This podcast isn’t out yet and I just want to say that no matter what is said in it, I think that @julianddorey and @jamescfox  sitting down with Jason Sands speaks volumes of who they are as human beings - discussing things directly.

Like Julian, I have a hard time believing Sand’s story (his claims so far)-  the important part is to remember that we are all human and he might just be needing our support.