Martha: how do you feel about minimalism?
Jake: I used to think it's total bullshit
Jake: like, it's still about spending
Jake: but it's about shifting the paradigm from buying cheap to buying expensive stuff
Martha: if expensive lives longer, ofc
Jake: right
Martha: I'm asking because I just saw this documentary about minimalism gurus
Martha: and I felt mixed about it
Jake: I think it's a good idea to buy things that will serve you longer
Jake: but it's so difficult to be mindful about everything you buy
Martha: I feel there are so many conflicting priorities when it comes to shopping
Martha: if you want to buy durable stuff you usually pick brands you know, big brands
Martha: and then it might not be fair trade product
Jake: take leather for example
Jake: if it's ecological it's cruelty free but it has higher carbon footprint than leather
Martha: huh
Jake: so your values clash all the time when you shop
Martha: :(
Martha saw a documentary about minimalism.