Berkeley Law's Human Rights Clinic director on Rodney Scott CBP nomination
CBS 8 San Diego
[{'start': '0.480', 'end': '6.080', 'text': "My name is Roxan Altos. I'm the director"}, {'start': '3.520', 'end': '8.400', 'text': 'of the human rights clinic at UC'}, {'start': '6.080', 'end': '11.679', 'text': "Berkeley Law and I'm a clinical"}, {'start': '8.400', 'end': '14.719', 'text': 'professor of law. Okay, very good. Tell'}, {'start': '11.679', 'end': '18.880', 'text': 'me a little bit about this subpoena that'}, {'start': '14.719', 'end': '22.000', 'text': "Rodney Scott issued and um let's start"}, {'start': '18.880', 'end': '23.920', 'text': 'with what medical records was he seeking'}, {'start': '22.000', 'end': '27.000', 'text': 'and what did he get?'}, {'start': '23.920', 'end': '32.559', 'text': 'So Rodney Scott issued uh signed an'}, {'start': '27.000', 'end': '35.360', 'text': 'administrative subpoena that allowed uh'}, {'start': '32.559', 'end': '39.520', 'text': 'uh border patrols critical incidents'}, {'start': '35.360', 'end': '40.600', 'text': 'teams to intervene and hinder interfere'}, {'start': '39.520', 'end': '43.920', 'text': 'with the'}, {'start': '40.600', 'end': '46.559', 'text': 'investigation of uh the killing of'}, {'start': '43.920', 'end': '48.960', 'text': 'Anastasia Hernandez Roas. That'}, {'start': '46.559', 'end': '52.399', 'text': 'administrative subpoena is part of a'}, {'start': '48.960', 'end': '54.719', 'text': 'broader issue, a broader problem um that'}, {'start': '52.399', 'end': '58.160', 'text': 'the Border Patrol was investigating its'}, {'start': '54.719', 'end': '61.120', 'text': 'own without congressional authority. Uh'}, {'start': '58.160', 'end': '64.920', 'text': 'the subpoena was to obtain'}, {'start': '61.120', 'end': '67.600', 'text': 'uh medical records related to'}, {'start': '64.920', 'end': '71.680', 'text': "Anastasio's hospitalization."}, {'start': '67.600', 'end': '74.640', 'text': 'He was beaten so severely by border'}, {'start': '71.680', 'end': '77.840', 'text': 'patrol by border agents um and had'}, {'start': '74.640', 'end': '82.640', 'text': 'suffered massive in injuries'}, {'start': '77.840', 'end': '87.680', 'text': 'um he had a heart attack um um um and'}, {'start': '82.640', 'end': '91.840', 'text': 'was forced into a coma. Um and um so the'}, {'start': '87.680', 'end': '95.040', 'text': 'the point of this subpoena was to u'}, {'start': '91.840', 'end': '99.119', 'text': 'obtain medical records related to those'}, {'start': '95.040', 'end': '101.880', 'text': 'those injuries. Um the police, local'}, {'start': '99.119', 'end': '104.880', 'text': 'police, San Diego police that had'}, {'start': '101.880', 'end': '109.280', 'text': 'jurisdiction to investigate'}, {'start': '104.880', 'end': '114.720', 'text': 'um requested those health records and uh'}, {'start': '109.280', 'end': '117.680', 'text': "Border Patrol under um Scott's authority"}, {'start': '114.720', 'end': '120.399', 'text': 'refused to hand them over. Okay. because'}, {'start': '117.680', 'end': '123.000', 'text': 'I had seen some reports that that he was'}, {'start': '120.399', 'end': '125.360', 'text': 'requesting the autopsy, but these were'}, {'start': '123.000', 'end': '127.280', 'text': 'specifically medical records from the'}, {'start': '125.360', 'end': '131.680', 'text': 'hospital, the Chula Vista Hospital. Is'}, {'start': '127.280', 'end': '134.280', 'text': 'that right? The reality is we um do not'}, {'start': '131.680', 'end': '139.599', 'text': 'have a copy of the administrative'}, {'start': '134.280', 'end': '142.560', 'text': 'subpoena. Yesterday, uh we heard during'}, {'start': '139.599', 'end': '145.080', 'text': 'his confirmation hearing, Scott finally'}, {'start': '142.560', 'end': '149.680', 'text': 'admit that he signed the administrative'}, {'start': '145.080', 'end': '151.200', 'text': 'subpoena. Um, uh, Senator Widen has'}, {'start': '149.680', 'end': '154.000', 'text': 'requested,'}, {'start': '151.200', 'end': '156.599', 'text': "uh, information related to Scott's"}, {'start': '154.000', 'end': '159.280', 'text': 'interference with the investigation of'}, {'start': '156.599', 'end': '164.280', 'text': "Anastasio's death, but we don't have a"}, {'start': '159.280', 'end': '167.840', 'text': 'copy of the subpoena, so I cannot um um'}, {'start': '164.280', 'end': '170.400', 'text': 'confirm what he was requesting. What are'}, {'start': '167.840', 'end': '171.760', 'text': 'the concerns about the Border Patrol,'}, {'start': '170.400', 'end': '175.360', 'text': "who, as you say, didn't have"}, {'start': '171.760', 'end': '177.599', 'text': 'jurisdiction to investigate this death?'}, {'start': '175.360', 'end': '180.160', 'text': 'What are the concerns that the border'}, {'start': '177.599', 'end': '181.640', 'text': 'patrol is seeking this information about'}, {'start': '180.160', 'end': '186.800', 'text': 'the type of'}, {'start': '181.640', 'end': '190.239', 'text': 'injuries that Mr. Roas suffered?'}, {'start': '186.800', 'end': '192.040', 'text': 'Border Patrol should not intervene in'}, {'start': '190.239', 'end': '195.599', 'text': 'the invest the criminal'}, {'start': '192.040', 'end': '198.159', 'text': 'investigation of a of serious injuries'}, {'start': '195.599', 'end': '200.480', 'text': "and death. Border Patrol doesn't have"}, {'start': '198.159', 'end': '203.280', 'text': 'congressional authority to collect'}, {'start': '200.480', 'end': '204.879', 'text': 'evidence or to intervene in in those'}, {'start': '203.280', 'end': '207.560', 'text': 'investigations.'}, {'start': '204.879', 'end': '211.280', 'text': 'And um yesterday the Interamerican'}, {'start': '207.560', 'end': '213.920', 'text': 'Commission ruled that that intervention'}, {'start': '211.280', 'end': '217.120', 'text': 'is a violation of international human'}, {'start': '213.920', 'end': '220.799', 'text': 'rights standards that instruct states'}, {'start': '217.120', 'end': '223.599', 'text': 'that require states obligate states uh'}, {'start': '220.799', 'end': '226.159', 'text': 'in cases of extrajudicial killings to'}, {'start': '223.599', 'end': '230.080', 'text': 'investigate in an independent and'}, {'start': '226.159', 'end': '231.920', 'text': 'impartial manner. Um the the concern is'}, {'start': '230.080', 'end': '236.000', 'text': 'uh the issue is the problem is that'}, {'start': '231.920', 'end': '237.840', 'text': 'border patrol is not an impartial agency'}, {'start': '236.000', 'end': '240.640', 'text': 'and should not be investigating its own'}, {'start': '237.840', 'end': '244.000', 'text': "in these cases. I think it's very"}, {'start': '240.640', 'end': '247.439', 'text': 'important to understand the subpoena uh'}, {'start': '244.000', 'end': '250.799', 'text': 'in relation to the bo broader pattern or'}, {'start': '247.439', 'end': '254.640', 'text': 'practice of intervention. Um, if we just'}, {'start': '250.799', 'end': '256.560', 'text': 'focus on the subpoena, we lose uh the'}, {'start': '254.640', 'end': '258.880', 'text': 'fact that Border Patrol was interfering'}, {'start': '256.560', 'end': '260.959', 'text': 'with a criminal investigation. They'}, {'start': '258.880', 'end': '264.320', 'text': 'should have not requested health'}, {'start': '260.959', 'end': '267.520', 'text': 'records. They should have not uh arrived'}, {'start': '264.320', 'end': '269.960', 'text': 'before the police to the scene of the'}, {'start': '267.520', 'end': '271.919', 'text': 'crime. They should have not dispersed'}, {'start': '269.960', 'end': '274.320', 'text': 'witnesses. They should have not'}, {'start': '271.919', 'end': '276.880', 'text': 'collected the taser darts. They should'}, {'start': '274.320', 'end': '279.800', 'text': 'have not visited the hospital. They'}, {'start': '276.880', 'end': '282.320', 'text': 'should have not been present during the'}, {'start': '279.800', 'end': '285.040', 'text': 'testimonies of agents that were involved'}, {'start': '282.320', 'end': '287.759', 'text': 'in the incident. They had no'}, {'start': '285.040', 'end': '291.199', 'text': 'congressional authority to interfere'}, {'start': '287.759', 'end': '295.199', 'text': 'with the investigation. And as a result'}, {'start': '291.199', 'end': '298.000', 'text': 'of their interference, uh yesterday was'}, {'start': '295.199', 'end': '301.840', 'text': 'the first time that we have an impartial'}, {'start': '298.000', 'end': '305.280', 'text': 'and independent body make a ruling um'}, {'start': '301.840', 'end': '308.320', 'text': 'and establish exactly what happened on'}, {'start': '305.280', 'end': '310.919', 'text': 'uh the night that uh Anastasia Nandez'}, {'start': '308.320', 'end': '313.680', 'text': 'was killed. They perverted the entire'}, {'start': '310.919', 'end': '316.240', 'text': 'investigation. Um they contaminated the'}, {'start': '313.680', 'end': '317.759', 'text': 'entire investigation because of their'}, {'start': '316.240', 'end': '320.560', 'text': 'unauthorized'}, {'start': '317.759', 'end': '322.800', 'text': "uh interventions. Couldn't San Diego"}, {'start': '320.560', 'end': '324.560', 'text': 'police just subpoena the records'}, {'start': '322.800', 'end': '326.240', 'text': "themselves? Couldn't they have gone to a"}, {'start': '324.560', 'end': '329.039', 'text': "judge and gotten those records? What's"}, {'start': '326.240', 'end': '331.840', 'text': 'the big deal that he never turned them'}, {'start': '329.039', 'end': '334.400', 'text': 'over to San Diego police?'}, {'start': '331.840', 'end': '337.520', 'text': 'I think the fact that the records were'}, {'start': '334.400', 'end': '339.280', 'text': 'not turned over to San Diego police'}, {'start': '337.520', 'end': '342.800', 'text': 'reveals that the intention of'}, {'start': '339.280', 'end': '345.240', 'text': 'subpoenaing the records was not to'}, {'start': '342.800', 'end': '346.960', 'text': 'investigate impartially and'}, {'start': '345.240', 'end': '348.720', 'text': 'independently what happened to'}, {'start': '346.960', 'end': '352.240', 'text': 'Anastasio.'}, {'start': '348.720', 'end': '356.479', 'text': 'If the point of subpoening of issuing an'}, {'start': '352.240', 'end': '358.880', 'text': 'administrative subpoena was to assist in'}, {'start': '356.479', 'end': '362.000', 'text': 'the investigation, those records should'}, {'start': '358.880', 'end': '364.680', 'text': 'have been immediately turned over to the'}, {'start': '362.000', 'end': '367.280', 'text': 'police investigators to the'}, {'start': '364.680', 'end': '370.080', 'text': "detectives. But again, it's important to"}, {'start': '367.280', 'end': '373.600', 'text': 'see the administrative subpoena in the'}, {'start': '370.080', 'end': '377.440', 'text': 'context of the broader pattern. So, uh,'}, {'start': '373.600', 'end': '381.600', 'text': 'CBP refused to turn over the the the'}, {'start': '377.440', 'end': '383.680', 'text': 'health records. They also refused for'}, {'start': '381.600', 'end': '387.360', 'text': 'weeks, despite a request from the'}, {'start': '383.680', 'end': '390.639', 'text': 'detectives, to turn over video footage'}, {'start': '387.360', 'end': '393.440', 'text': 'of the incident. And when they finally'}, {'start': '390.639', 'end': '397.280', 'text': 'did turn over video footage, they turned'}, {'start': '393.440', 'end': '399.280', 'text': 'over the wrong video footage. And then'}, {'start': '397.280', 'end': '403.520', 'text': 'coincidentally from their view they'}, {'start': '399.280', 'end': '405.759', 'text': 'taped over the right video footage. Um'}, {'start': '403.520', 'end': '408.080', 'text': "so again I think it's really important"}, {'start': '405.759', 'end': '411.919', 'text': 'to see the administrative subpoena as'}, {'start': '408.080', 'end': '418.039', 'text': 'part of this pattern of of obstruction.'}, {'start': '411.919', 'end': '423.120', 'text': 'My concern is that Rodney Scott has uh'}, {'start': '418.039', 'end': '426.400', 'text': 'participated in efforts to cover up'}, {'start': '423.120', 'end': '429.440', 'text': "agents role the agent's role in the"}, {'start': '426.400', 'end': '435.039', 'text': 'death of Anastasia Ornande Roas that'}, {'start': '429.440', 'end': '437.599', 'text': 'Rodney Scott uh did not uh ensure that'}, {'start': '435.039', 'end': '440.639', 'text': 'an impartial and independent criminal'}, {'start': '437.599', 'end': '443.520', 'text': 'investigation of that death um took'}, {'start': '440.639', 'end': '445.360', 'text': 'place and I think that has enormous'}, {'start': '443.520', 'end': '449.919', 'text': 'implications'}, {'start': '445.360', 'end': '453.479', 'text': 'uh as uh we see an effort to'}, {'start': '449.919', 'end': '456.000', 'text': "increasingly militarize the border. I've"}, {'start': '453.479', 'end': '458.720', 'text': 'litigated dozens and dozens of cases'}, {'start': '456.000', 'end': '463.039', 'text': 'before the Interamerican Commission and'}, {'start': '458.720', 'end': '466.160', 'text': 'the Interamerican Court um during quite'}, {'start': '463.039', 'end': '469.840', 'text': 'violent authoritarian regimes uh'}, {'start': '466.160', 'end': '472.319', 'text': 'including in Colombia, Guatemala, Mexico'}, {'start': '469.840', 'end': '474.319', 'text': 'and now in the United States. And'}, {'start': '472.319', 'end': '477.919', 'text': 'through those decisions, we have been'}, {'start': '474.319', 'end': '482.160', 'text': 'able to expose the truth and the truth'}, {'start': '477.919', 'end': '486.400', 'text': 'creates momentum for change. And so, um,'}, {'start': '482.160', 'end': '490.840', 'text': 'I I think many victims of state violence'}, {'start': '486.400', 'end': '494.479', 'text': 'have been up against a very very um'}, {'start': '490.840', 'end': '497.520', 'text': 'difficult uh journey and yet they have'}, {'start': '494.479', 'end': '502.240', 'text': 'prevailed. There has been cases where'}, {'start': '497.520', 'end': '505.160', 'text': 'states have u provided reparations for'}, {'start': '502.240', 'end': '508.080', 'text': "the harm caused. They've accepted"}, {'start': '505.160', 'end': '509.160', 'text': 'responsibility. They have reopened'}, {'start': '508.080', 'end': '511.919', 'text': 'criminal'}, {'start': '509.160', 'end': '515.039', 'text': 'investigations. Uh they have also'}, {'start': '511.919', 'end': '518.320', 'text': 'changed enacted legal reforms. And if'}, {'start': '515.039', 'end': '520.399', 'text': 'the United States wants to continue to'}, {'start': '518.320', 'end': '523.120', 'text': 'garner the respect of the international'}, {'start': '520.399', 'end': '525.680', 'text': 'community, the United States, whether'}, {'start': '523.120', 'end': '526.760', 'text': 'under the Trump administration or'}, {'start': '525.680', 'end': '529.480', 'text': 'another'}, {'start': '526.760', 'end': '532.800', 'text': 'administration, must abide by its'}, {'start': '529.480', 'end': '536.399', 'text': 'international obligations. Uh if it does'}, {'start': '532.800', 'end': '541.399', 'text': 'not, it has no moral authority. uh to'}, {'start': '536.399', 'end': '544.880', 'text': 'instruct countries like Mexico or uh'}, {'start': '541.399', 'end': '549.839', 'text': 'Guatemala or other countries of around'}, {'start': '544.880', 'end': '553.440', 'text': 'the world to uh do justice by um victims'}, {'start': '549.839', 'end': '553.440', 'text': 'of of state violence.'}]