Adoption : Ce jour où j’ai tenu ma fille pour la première fois
Hélène LALOUX Conférencière
[{'start': '5.180', 'end': '6.782', 'text': 'Welcome to Adoption,'}, {'start': '7.102', 'end': '7.742', 'text': "Graine d'Amour,"}, {'start': '8.143', 'end': '13.528', 'text': 'the podcast that delves into the heart of the poignant and inspiring stories of those who have been touched by adoption.'}, {'start': '14.408', 'end': '15.610', 'text': 'I am Hélène Lalouf,'}, {'start': '15.990', 'end': '16.550', 'text': 'speaker,'}, {'start': '16.590', 'end': '17.091', 'text': 'trainer,'}, {'start': '17.171', 'end': '17.391', 'text': 'coach,'}, {'start': '17.571', 'end': '22.396', 'text': 'special needs educator and mother of two adorable little girls aged 6 and 12.'}, {'start': '23.357', 'end': '26.079', 'text': 'My story begins more than 7,000 km from France,'}, {'start': '26.379', 'end': '26.800', 'text': 'in India,'}, {'start': '27.140', 'end': '30.743', 'text': 'before I was adopted at 16 months by a woman from the north of France.'}, {'start': '31.624', 'end': '38.688', 'text': 'My personal journey has led me to explore the many facets of adoption and to share these extraordinary stories with you.'}, {'start': '38.708', 'end': '38.908', 'text': 'Here,'}, {'start': '39.328', 'end': '42.050', 'text': "you'll discover vibrant testimonies from parents who have adopted,"}, {'start': '42.710', 'end': '45.131', 'text': 'from people who have been adopted with unique journeys,'}, {'start': '45.612', 'end': '53.596', 'text': 'from biological parents who have made the decision to entrust their child, and from all the family members involved in the complex and moving world of adoption.'}, {'start': '54.617', 'end': '56.898', 'text': 'My guests share stories of resilience,'}, {'start': '57.118', 'end': '58.119', 'text': 'unconditional love,'}, {'start': '58.479', 'end': '60.540', 'text': 'loss, and discoveries of healing.'}, {'start': '61.584', 'end': '65.047', 'text': 'Each episode reveals exceptional journeys where hope and pain,'}, {'start': '65.247', 'end': '67.048', 'text': 'joy and challenge intertwine.'}, {'start': '67.828', 'end': '68.329', 'text': 'Adoption,'}, {'start': '68.769', 'end': '70.050', 'text': 'with its many facets,'}, {'start': '70.430', 'end': '75.274', 'text': 'reveals how the bonds of the heart can transform lives and overcome significant challenges.'}, {'start': '76.414', 'end': '81.238', 'text': 'Every adoption story is a journey of emotions and revelations that deserve to be heard.'}, {'start': '82.298', 'end': '84.460', 'text': 'How to find your place in a new family?'}, {'start': '85.300', 'end': '88.343', 'text': 'How to forge your identity between two life stories?'}, {'start': '89.183', 'end': '90.424', 'text': 'How to fully experience love?'}, {'start': '90.624', 'end': '91.525', 'text': 'despite the injuries.'}, {'start': '92.666', 'end': '95.929', 'text': 'We will explore these themes with depth and empathy.'}, {'start': '97.190', 'end': '103.255', 'text': 'This podcast celebrates the diversity of human experience and explores the transformative power of love.'}, {'start': '104.256', 'end': '106.337', 'text': 'It is a tribute to the bonds that unite us,'}, {'start': '106.658', 'end': '108.659', 'text': 'beyond differences and trials.'}, {'start': '109.580', 'end': '110.061', 'text': 'Remember,'}, {'start': '110.901', 'end': '113.864', 'text': 'every encounter can create life-changing connections.'}, {'start': '119.556', 'end': '123.138', 'text': "And I'm proud of what we've accomplished."}, {'start': '123.178', 'end': '134.663', 'text': 'I am proud to be able to say that we have not given up and that we will give our all for our daughter,'}, {'start': '135.243', 'end': '136.123', 'text': 'which is essential.'}, {'start': '138.985', 'end': '140.065', 'text': 'And this first meeting,'}, {'start': '140.105', 'end': '140.325', 'text': 'then?'}, {'start': '142.866', 'end': '143.107', 'text': 'So,'}, {'start': '143.167', 'end': '144.487', 'text': 'this first meeting...'}, {'start': '146.484', 'end': '146.664', 'text': 'So, there'}, {'start': '146.924', 'end': '148.085', 'text': 'were the three meetings,'}, {'start': '148.165', 'end': '152.228', 'text': 'there was a weekend where we announced it to my stepson,'}, {'start': '152.949', 'end': '153.789', 'text': "to my husband's son,"}, {'start': '154.289', 'end': '154.530', 'text': 'where'}, {'start': '154.531', 'end': '156.991', 'text': 'it was also very rich in emotions.'}, {'start': '158.392', 'end': '160.454', 'text': 'It was an absolutely amazing time.'}, {'start': '161.094', 'end': '162.075', 'text': 'And then,'}, {'start': '162.115', 'end': '162.595', 'text': 'indeed,'}, {'start': '162.596', 'end': '163.056', 'text': 'on Monday, there'}, {'start': '163.057', 'end': '163.876', 'text': 'was the meeting.'}, {'start': '163.916', 'end': '164.096', 'text': 'So,'}, {'start': '164.116', 'end': '166.018', 'text': 'he was going to school and anyway,'}, {'start': '166.038', 'end': '168.059', 'text': 'he recommended to us that for the meeting,'}, {'start': '168.060', 'end': '171.661', 'text': 'it was important that we were both there,'}, {'start': '171.762', 'end': '172.962', 'text': 'because between children,'}, {'start': '172.963', 'end': '174.964', 'text': 'there is really such an important connection that...'}, {'start': '175.468', 'end': '179.171', 'text': 'Our daughter had to be more focused on us,'}, {'start': '181.692', 'end': '188.517', 'text': 'that she identify us as her attachment figures and that it was better that it was just the two of us.'}, {'start': '189.117', 'end': '191.479', 'text': 'So the meeting was the'}, {'start': '191.519', 'end': '191.799', 'text': 'same,'}, {'start': '191.800', 'end': '197.663', 'text': 'we were accompanied by our social worker who explained to us what the place was like,'}, {'start': '198.304', 'end': '199.525', 'text': 'that we were going to go up a staircase,'}, {'start': '199.526', 'end': '199.645', 'text': 'etc.'}, {'start': '200.045', 'end': '202.487', 'text': 'to succeed in settling down and'}, {'start': '202.627', 'end': '203.848', 'text': 'reassuring ourselves.'}, {'start': '205.413', 'end': '205.913', 'text': 'And actually,'}, {'start': '206.574', 'end': '207.475', 'text': 'then there was fear,'}, {'start': '207.515', 'end': '211.198', 'text': 'I was afraid of holding a baby and not knowing.'}, {'start': '211.238', 'end': '211.918', 'text': 'So I said okay,'}, {'start': '212.359', 'end': '213.500', 'text': 'so is there a couch?'}, {'start': '213.980', 'end': '216.822', 'text': "Because I'm going to need to sit down to hold her,"}, {'start': '217.083', 'end': '218.824', 'text': "I'm so scared I'll drop her."}, {'start': '219.225', 'end': '219.605', 'text': 'A baby,'}, {'start': '219.685', 'end': '221.406', 'text': 'but a three and a half month old baby'}, {'start': '221.526', 'end': '222.127', 'text': 'is small,'}, {'start': '222.227', 'end': '223.368', 'text': "but I didn't realize it."}, {'start': '223.388', 'end': '224.229', 'text': 'Well, 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'text': 'There,'}, {'start': '247.748', 'end': '250.410', 'text': 'in the arms of his referent.'}, {'start': '251.070', 'end': '251.651', 'text': 'And so, we'}, {'start': '251.691', 'end': '257.375', 'text': 'had to wake her up gradually so that she could meet mom and dad.'}, {'start': '258.116', 'end': '258.456', 'text': 'And we'}, {'start': '258.496', 'end': '259.898', 'text': 'were very respectful,'}, {'start': '259.899', 'end': '260.198', 'text': 'in fact,'}, {'start': '260.218', 'end': '261.139', 'text': 'of his sleep,'}, {'start': '261.679', 'end': '262.780', 'text': 'of the environment.'}, {'start': '263.624', 'end': '265.044', 'text': 'from her referent and so,'}, {'start': '265.445', 'end': '271.766', 'text': "we stayed there looking at her, both holding hands, and that's it,"}, {'start': '271.866', 'end': '275.768', 'text': 'until she opened her eyes and it was our social worker who said,'}, {'start': '276.248', 'end': '276.568', 'text': 'so,'}, {'start': '276.608', 'end': '277.888', 'text': 'maybe you want to take her?'}, {'start': '278.468', 'end': '279.029', 'text': 'Oh yeah,'}, {'start': '279.069', 'end': '279.189', 'text': 'yeah,'}, {'start': '279.269', 'end': '279.669', 'text': 'but like,'}, {'start': '279.670', 'end': '280.249', 'text': 'we have the right,'}, {'start': '280.329', 'end': '280.589', 'text': 'well yes,'}, {'start': '280.590', 'end': '281.009', 'text': 'we have the right,'}, {'start': '281.049', 'end': '282.129', 'text': "she's our daughter in fact."}, {'start': '282.690', 'end': '283.110', 'text': 'But there you go,'}, {'start': '283.250', 'end': '283.370', 'text': 'yes,'}, {'start': '286.531', 'end': '290.612', 'text': 'it was magical and then afterwards,'}, {'start': '292.261', 'end': '295.946', 'text': "we'll leave you three to get to know each other,"}, {'start': '296.167', 'end': '297.529', 'text': 'to start...'}, {'start': '298.873', 'end': '301.155', 'text': 'to give first aid,'}, {'start': '301.295', 'end': '302.656', 'text': 'and then afterwards we were explained.'}, {'start': '304.057', 'end': '304.757', 'text': 'Once again,'}, {'start': '304.857', 'end': '308.680', 'text': 'we came across an absolutely top team at the nursery,'}, {'start': '309.361', 'end': '310.001', 'text': 'patient and'}, {'start': '311.142', 'end': '311.863', 'text': 'caring.'}, {'start': '312.643', 'end': '314.224', 'text': 'Well,'}, {'start': '316.026', 'end': '321.630', 'text': 'we were truly in a bubble of love,'}, {'start': '321.690', 'end': '322.390', 'text': 'tolerance, and'}, {'start': '322.391', 'end': '323.291', 'text': 'kindness.'}, {'start': '323.571', 'end': '324.792', 'text': 'This might sound a bit corny,'}, {'start': '324.852', 'end': '325.953', 'text': "because I've been saying it for a while now."}, {'start': '326.393', 'end': '328.435', 'text': 'But it really is.'}, {'start': '328.835', 'end': '333.998', 'text': 'And we feel that there is tremendous work being done in training,'}, {'start': '334.139', 'end': '334.979', 'text': 'teams,'}, {'start': '335.139', 'end': '336.460', 'text': 'supporting children,'}, {'start': '336.480', 'end': '340.703', 'text': 'but also single parents or parents in couples.'}, {'start': '341.163', 'end': '344.286', 'text': 'But you are spoiled and actually,'}, {'start': '344.326', 'end': '345.006', 'text': 'it feels good.'}, {'start': '346.988', 'end': '348.909', 'text': 'And these first months with your daughter,'}, {'start': '349.329', 'end': '353.052', 'text': 'how did it go for you in terms of attachment,'}, {'start': '353.972', 'end': '354.633', 'text': 'in everyday life?'}, {'start': '359.402', 'end': '364.303', 'text': 'So it was me on adoption leave for'}, {'start': '364.743', 'end': '366.464', 'text': '4 months then parental leave for'}, {'start': '367.344', 'end': '385.209', 'text': '5 months which I extended by a year in the end and I will perhaps explain why after my husband on the other hand working outside France had very little leave we had a week together straight away when our daughter arrived and then he went back to work he went back a week later Thank you.'}, {'start': '385.369', 'end': '385.849', 'text': 'So actually,'}, {'start': '387.290', 'end': '388.390', 'text': 'the first week,'}, {'start': '389.390', 'end': '390.030', 'text': 'all three of us,'}, {'start': '390.711', 'end': '391.991', 'text': 'was about finding our bearings.'}, {'start': '392.991', 'end': '395.432', 'text': 'We used to go from two to one day,'}, {'start': '395.512', 'end': '398.953', 'text': 'because my stepson is there every other weekend for half the holidays.'}, {'start': '399.453', 'end': '400.934', 'text': 'So there we are,'}, {'start': '401.114', 'end': '407.456', 'text': 'getting our bearings in terms of space,'}, {'start': '407.496', 'end': '408.816', 'text': 'in terms of time,'}, {'start': '408.817', 'end': '410.196', 'text': 'in terms of organization,'}, {'start': '410.676', 'end': '412.337', 'text': 'in terms of getting to know each other.'}, {'start': '413.373', 'end': '414.374', 'text': 'We all discover each other,'}, {'start': '417.857', 'end': '419.398', 'text': "know each other's habits,"}, {'start': '420.498', 'end': '421.099', 'text': 'sleep,'}, {'start': '421.139', 'end': '421.899', 'text': 'bottles,'}, {'start': '421.979', 'end': '422.900', 'text': 'changing,'}, {'start': '424.721', 'end': '427.963', 'text': "it's a whole organization that is put in place."}, {'start': '429.004', 'end': '432.947', 'text': 'I am lucky to have a husband who was already a father,'}, {'start': '433.067', 'end': '435.008', 'text': 'who is a great dad,'}, {'start': '436.209', 'end': '437.150', 'text': 'very guiding.'}, {'start': '438.411', 'end': '440.052', 'text': 'So,'}, {'start': '440.432', 'end': '441.413', 'text': 'that went well.'}, {'start': '442.033', 'end': '446.154', 'text': 'Our daughter is a nice baby,'}, {'start': '446.354', 'end': '447.114', 'text': 'a cool baby.'}, {'start': '447.795', 'end': '448.435', 'text': 'And so,'}, {'start': '450.355', 'end': '453.136', 'text': 'that allowed us not to put too much pressure on ourselves either.'}, {'start': '453.137', 'end': '455.317', 'text': "Don't go underwater too quickly,"}, {'start': '455.318', 'end': '455.657', 'text': 'in any case.'}, {'start': '456.057', 'end': '456.677', 'text': 'Exactly.'}, {'start': '457.097', 'end': '457.357', 'text': 'So,'}, {'start': '458.158', 'end': '458.598', 'text': 'of course,'}, {'start': '459.618', 'end': '460.898', 'text': 'it disrupts sleep.'}, {'start': '460.899', 'end': '463.559', 'text': 'There are night awakenings.'}, {'start': '464.319', 'end': '465.580', 'text': 'Not a lot of crying.'}, {'start': '466.800', 'end': '467.700', 'text': 'Not much crying,'}, {'start': '467.720', 'end': '468.240', 'text': 'in the end.'}, {'start': '468.300', 'end': '468.561', 'text': 'So,'}, {'start': '469.481', 'end': '470.021', 'text': 'finally...'}, {'start': '470.541', 'end': '474.783', 'text': "I don't know if it's common for babies through adoption,"}, {'start': '474.863', 'end': '475.483', 'text': "I don't know."}, {'start': '475.583', 'end': '476.644', 'text': 'But yes,'}, {'start': '476.724', 'end': '478.304', 'text': 'our daughter cried very little.'}, {'start': '478.584', 'end': '478.784', 'text': 'So,'}, {'start': '478.804', 'end': '479.245', 'text': 'we told him,'}, {'start': '479.445', 'end': '479.965', 'text': 'you have the right,'}, {'start': '480.225', 'end': '481.586', 'text': 'you can allow yourself to cry.'}, {'start': '483.226', 'end': '483.506', 'text': 'But yes,'}, {'start': '483.586', 'end': '484.387', 'text': 'quite little at the beginning.'}, {'start': '484.388', 'end': '484.907', 'text': 'And then after that,'}, {'start': '484.967', 'end': '486.047', 'text': 'it came a little bit,'}, {'start': '486.187', 'end': '487.248', 'text': 'but not too much,'}, {'start': '487.288', 'end': '487.488', 'text': 'too much,'}, {'start': '488.108', 'end': '488.568', 'text': 'in any case,'}, 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'513.120', 'text': 'adoption.'}, {'start': '514.701', 'end': '515.842', 'text': 'So as you pointed out,'}, {'start': '515.962', 'end': '516.943', 'text': "it's still new,"}, {'start': '516.983', 'end': '519.025', 'text': 'so I think I still have everything to learn.'}, {'start': '523.168', 'end': '524.549', 'text': 'And as I said earlier,'}, {'start': '525.050', 'end': '529.053', 'text': 'it has been a long journey.'}, {'start': '529.353', 'end': '530.094', 'text': 'concerning us,'}, {'start': '530.114', 'end': '531.295', 'text': 'which was trying, which'}, {'start': '532.215', 'end': '533.276', 'text': 'leaves its mark,'}, {'start': '533.277', 'end': '534.898', 'text': 'but which allows us to...'}, {'start': '535.238', 'end': '536.859', 'text': 'Well, there you go,'}, {'start': '536.899', 'end': '537.640', 'text': "when we're two,"}, {'start': '537.660', 'end': '538.741', 'text': 'to know each other better too, to'}, {'start': '539.801', 'end': '540.882', 'text': 'dig deep within ourselves,'}, {'start': '541.122', 'end': '542.363', 'text': 'to question ourselves,'}, {'start': '543.104', 'end': '546.687', 'text': 'to test our capacity for endurance,'}, {'start': '547.548', 'end': '548.648', 'text': 'determination,'}, {'start': '548.949', 'end': '550.170', 'text': 'pugnacity,'}, {'start': '550.490', 'end': '550.610', 'text': 'to...'}, {'start': '552.411', 'end': '552.652', 'text': 'There you go,'}, {'start': '552.892', 'end': '553.392', 'text': 'and then...'}, {'start': '560.818', 'end': '562.099', 'text': 'To tell ourselves that in the end,'}, {'start': '564.821', 'end': '565.822', 'text': 'when we have the desire,'}, {'start': '566.082', 'end': '566.803', 'text': 'when we have the...'}, {'start': '568.384', 'end': '568.945', 'text': "I don't know,"}, {'start': '570.947', 'end': '571.707', 'text': 'we succeed.'}, {'start': '572.268', 'end': '573.449', 'text': 'I say that and at the same time,'}, {'start': '573.509', 'end': '576.932', 'text': 'when I see the adoption figures,'}, {'start': '576.992', 'end': '579.234', 'text': 'I tell myself that we are chosen,'}, {'start': '579.694', 'end': '581.336', 'text': 'because no matter how much we want it,'}, {'start': '581.396', 'end': '582.497', 'text': "sometimes it doesn't work."}, {'start': '583.357', 'end': '586.100', 'text': "And that's why I was talking about a miracle earlier,"}, {'start': '586.140', 'end': '587.261', 'text': "because I'm aware that..."}, {'start': '588.517', 'end': '588.817', 'text': 'In fact,'}, {'start': '588.838', 'end': '590.259', 'text': 'it depends on so many parameters,'}, {'start': '590.260', 'end': '590.940', 'text': 'that is to say, yes, no matter how much'}, {'start': '591.000', 'end': '592.042', 'text': 'you want it,'}, {'start': '593.644', 'end': '596.988', 'text': 'there is the parameter of time, there is the parameter of feasibility'}, {'start': '597.692', 'end': '607.040', 'text': 'between the correspondence of your notice and the children available for adoption today in France and internationally,'}, {'start': '609.422', 'end': '610.723', 'text': 'the means that you have,'}, {'start': '611.224', 'end': '611.784', 'text': 'because in fact,'}, {'start': '612.244', 'end': '613.105', 'text': 'we realize that,'}, {'start': '613.425', 'end': '614.326', 'text': 'not nationally,'}, {'start': '614.366', 'end': '615.367', 'text': 'but internationally,'}, {'start': '615.487', 'end': '616.948', 'text': 'there are a whole bunch of criteria,'}, {'start': '618.169', 'end': '618.890', 'text': 'religion,'}, {'start': '619.050', 'end': '619.811', 'text': 'sometimes BMI,'}, {'start': '620.231', 'end': '622.673', 'text': 'sometimes,'}, {'start': '622.693', 'end': '623.774', 'text': 'what seems mind-boggling,'}, {'start': '624.795', 'end': '625.836', 'text': 'level of education.'}, {'start': '629.342', 'end': '629.783', 'text': 'age,'}, {'start': '630.283', 'end': '630.983', 'text': 'marriage,'}, {'start': '631.043', 'end': '632.004', 'text': 'year of marriage.'}, {'start': '633.065', 'end': '633.465', 'text': 'And in fact,'}, {'start': '633.485', 'end': '634.206', 'text': 'each time,'}, {'start': '634.766', 'end': '636.547', 'text': 'we had the impression of being out of line,'}, {'start': '637.108', 'end': '637.628', 'text': 'out of the box.'}, {'start': '637.948', 'end': '638.069', 'text': 'There,'}, {'start': '638.070', 'end': '638.609', 'text': "we can't do it anymore."}, {'start': '638.869', 'end': '638.989', 'text': 'There,'}, {'start': '638.990', 'end': '640.070', 'text': "we don't fit into the rules."}, {'start': '640.690', 'end': '640.811', 'text': 'Now'}, {'start': '640.951', 'end': '642.672', 'text': 'we have a child,'}, {'start': '643.493', 'end': '645.114', 'text': "even if he doesn't live with us,"}, {'start': '645.494', 'end': '646.375', 'text': 'is that a strength?'}, {'start': '646.455', 'end': '647.435', 'text': 'Is this a weakness?'}, {'start': '647.455', 'end': '650.518', 'text': 'Well,'}, {'start': '650.598', 'end': '650.798', 'text': 'here it is,'}, {'start': '651.538', 'end': '652.179', 'text': 'our age.'}, {'start': '653.956', 'end': '658.699', 'text': 'There are a whole bunch of things that you have no control over.'}, {'start': '658.819', 'end': '659.179', 'text': 'The trick'}, {'start': '659.239', 'end': '660.080', 'text': 'is letting go.'}, {'start': '660.620', 'end': '666.503', 'text': 'And letting go of a life project that is so close to your heart,'}, {'start': '667.684', 'end': '673.067', 'text': 'managing to balance between I let the ribbons float and at the same time I am in it.'}, {'start': '673.727', 'end': '679.251', 'text': "And I show that I'm in it and I show the department that I'm taking initiatives,"}, {'start': '679.271', 'end': '680.091', 'text': "that I'm training."}, {'start': '681.612', 'end': '686.896', 'text': 'that I did an awareness course on adoptive parenting because I want to enlighten myself,'}, {'start': '687.357', 'end': '689.418', 'text': 'I want to 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project."}, {'start': '719.901', 'end': '721.062', 'text': 'I think that over the years'}, {'start': '721.063', 'end': '731.848', 'text': "it has become even more difficult, and I don't want to crush the dreams of people who want to adopt because they have to go through with it."}, {'start': '731.888', 'end': '732.548', 'text': 'If you feel it, you'}, {'start': '732.549', 'end': '733.188', 'text': 'have to go for it.'}, {'start': '734.669', 'end': '738.011', 'text': 'But we must also be aware of the difficulties.'}, {'start': '738.931', 'end': '739.052', 'text': "Yes, that's"}, {'start': '739.172', 'end': '739.432', 'text': 'it.'}, {'start': '740.012', 'end': '740.652', 'text': 'And'}, {'start': '741.873', 'end': '743.193', 'text': 'what is the thing you are most proud of'}, {'start': '743.693', 'end': '744.233', 'text': 'in this journey?'}, {'start': '748.274', 'end': '748.834', 'text': 'Exactly,'}, {'start': '748.835', 'end': '749.935', 'text': 'for not having given up,'}, {'start': '750.015', 'end': '750.135', 'text': 'you know.'}, {'start': '752.695', 'end': '753.656', 'text': 'To have listened to myself,'}, {'start': '755.996', 'end': '759.177', 'text': 'to have had a husband who followed me through thick and thin,'}, {'start': '760.518', 'end': '761.558', 'text': 'because he could have told me,'}, {'start': '761.758', 'end': '762.018', 'text': 'you know,'}, {'start': '762.019', 'end': '762.498', 'text': "I'm a dad,"}, {'start': '762.618', 'end': '763.758', 'text': 'so'}, {'start': '763.939', 'end': '765.159', 'text': "I don't feel the need,"}, {'start': '765.199', 'end': '766.179', 'text': "I don't feel the need anymore."}, {'start': '766.639', 'end': '767.139', 'text': 'Adoption,'}, {'start': '767.219', 'end': '767.379', 'text': 'no,'}, {'start': '767.439', 'end': '767.559', 'text': 'etc.'}, {'start': '768.080', 'end': '768.220', 'text': 'No,'}, {'start': '768.260', 'end': '768.860', 'text': 'he was there.'}, {'start': '770.320', 'end': '773.902', 'text': "And I'm proud of what we've accomplished."}, {'start': '774.182', 'end': '785.447', 'text': "I am proud to be able to say that we didn't give up and that we will give our all for our daughter."}, {'start': '788.788', 'end': '790.089', 'text': 'I have one last question for you.'}, {'start': '790.769', 'end': '794.131', 'text': 'What would be the definition of unconditional love for you today?'}, {'start': '798.392', 'end': '798.752', 'text': 'For me,'}, {'start': '798.832', 'end': '800.032', 'text': 'unconditional love'}, {'start': '800.192', 'end': '802.233', 'text': 'is loving against all odds.'}, {'start': '804.154', 'end': '805.534', 'text': "And it's going to be about succeeding,"}, {'start': '806.634', 'end': '808.375', 'text': 'because there are going to be difficult times.'}, {'start': '809.035', 'end': '811.396', 'text': 'We know that my biological children, my'}, {'start': '811.397', 'end': '812.396', 'text': 'adopted children,'}, {'start': '815.417', 'end': '816.197', 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'854.203', 'text': 'and for as much as remaining anchored for her,'}, {'start': '854.283', 'end': '854.644', 'text': 'for him,'}, {'start': '854.724', 'end': '855.764', 'text': 'for this child that...'}, {'start': '856.324', 'end': '858.005', 'text': 'you have chosen to accompany.'}, {'start': '859.346', 'end': '859.506', 'text': 'Well,'}, {'start': '859.647', 'end': '861.108', 'text': "I don't know if I was clear."}, {'start': '861.228', 'end': '861.508', 'text': 'Yes,'}, {'start': '861.568', 'end': '862.509', 'text': 'completely.'}, {'start': '863.289', 'end': '865.431', 'text': 'But there you go.'}, {'start': '866.772', 'end': '867.352', 'text': 'Thank you very much,'}, {'start': '867.392', 'end': '867.813', 'text': 'Elodie.'}, {'start': '868.293', 'end': '871.395', 'text': 'Would you like to add one last thing before we leave,'}, {'start': '872.096', 'end': '877.880', 'text': 'either for future parents who wish to adopt or for children who have been adopted,'}, {'start': '879.181', 'end': '880.222', 'text': 'which seems essential to you,'}, {'start': '880.223', 'end': '883.124', 'text': 'which you wanted to share but which you have not been able to share yet?'}, {'start': '884.336', 'end': '891.022', 'text': 'For people in the process of being approved,'}, {'start': '891.122', 'end': '891.983', 'text': 'it is to tell them:'}, {'start': '893.264', 'end': '895.426', 'text': '“Do your research, meet people.  "'}, {'start': '895.446', 'end': '900.571', 'text': "At the beginning, we tend to tell ourselves that we'll get there on our own or that we don't need this or that advice."}, {'start': '903.680', 'end': '904.081', 'text': 'This is false.'}, {'start': '904.141', 'end': '906.923', 'text': 'I think that we really need to make sure,'}, {'start': '907.083', 'end': '908.204', 'text': "even if it's difficult, that we"}, {'start': '910.385', 'end': '910.986', 'text': 'train, get'}, {'start': '910.987', 'end': '912.947', 'text': 'closer to associations,'}, {'start': '912.967', 'end': '913.087', 'text': 'etc.'}, {'start': '913.727', 'end': '914.688', 'text': 'This is really essential.'}, {'start': '917.170', 'end': '919.732', 'text': 'And then to believe in your dreams,'}, {'start': '919.852', 'end': '921.193', 'text': 'even if I already said it earlier,'}, {'start': '921.194', 'end': '922.053', 'text': 'I say it again today.'}, {'start': '922.054', 'end': '923.214', 'text': 'Anyway,'}, {'start': '923.254', 'end': '923.774', 'text': 'thank you very much,'}, {'start': '923.794', 'end': '924.095', 'text': 'Elodie,'}, {'start': '924.115', 'end': '925.836', 'text': 'for this superb episode which,'}, {'start': '925.876', 'end': '926.396', 'text': "I'm sure,"}, {'start': '927.057', 'end': '930.299', 'text': 'I think you went into detail about how it happens.'}, {'start': '930.339', 'end': '930.599', 'text': 'Besides,'}, {'start': '930.619', 'end': '931.620', 'text': 'it was very recent for you.'}, {'start': '932.040', 'end': '932.300', 'text': 'And so,'}, {'start': '932.320', 'end': '933.081', 'text': 'I find it fascinating,'}, {'start': '933.082', 'end': '933.261', 'text': 'in fact,'}, {'start': '933.301', 'end': '935.142', 'text': 'to know a little bit about what goes on behind the scenes.'}, {'start': '935.662', 'end': '936.143', 'text': "And that's precisely what I think"}, {'start': '936.144', 'end': '937.924', 'text': 'brings a really open'}, {'start': '938.444', 'end': '941.286', 'text': 'and different perspective on how adoption actually works.'}, {'start': '941.646', 'end': '941.767', 'text': 'So,'}, {'start': '941.847', 'end': '943.027', 'text': 'thank you very much for your testimony,'}, {'start': '943.067', 'end': '943.308', 'text': 'Détoc.'}, {'start': '943.368', 'end': '943.988', 'text': 'With pleasure,'}, {'start': '944.048', 'end': '944.348', 'text': 'Helen.'}, {'start': '944.688', 'end': '945.309', 'text': 'Thank you.'}, {'start': '946.230', 'end': '948.571', 'text': 'Thank you for listening to this episode of Adoption,'}, {'start': '949.031', 'end': '949.592', 'text': 'Seeds of Love.'}, {'start': '950.092', 'end': '952.794', 'text': "We'll see you tomorrow for the rest of the episode."}, {'start': '953.314', 'end': '956.657', 'text': 'In any case, I hope that this story touched you as much as it moved me.'}, {'start': '957.337', 'end': '960.699', 'text': 'If this podcast inspires you and you want it to reach even more people,'}, {'start': '961.019', 'end': '961.620', 'text': 'you can help me.'}, {'start': '961.900', 'end': '964.081', 'text': "by subscribing so you don't miss any episodes."}, {'start': '964.822', 'end': '967.503', 'text': 'Also leave 5 stars and a little comment on the listening platform.'}, {'start': '968.084', 'end': '972.766', 'text': "Each rating boosts the podcast's visibility and helps bring these stories to as many people as possible."}, {'start': '973.447', 'end': '974.687', 'text': 'And if this episode made an impression'}, {'start': '975.288', 'end': '976.448', 'text': 'on you, share it'}, {'start': '976.929', 'end': '977.529', 'text': 'with your family,'}, {'start': '977.689', 'end': '979.410', 'text': 'friends, or on social media.'}, {'start': '979.770', 'end': '980.110', 'text': 'Who knows,'}, {'start': '980.531', 'end': '981.551', 'text': 'it might change a life.'}, {'start': '982.552', 'end': '985.253', 'text': 'Thank you for being here and being part of this beautiful adventure.  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