Maurício Zeni - História e Memórias
Jorge Damasceno
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There'}, {'start': '51.651', 'end': '56.022', 'text': 'was no way not to talk.'}, {'start': '59.125', 'end': '61.660', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: her contact information,'}, {'start': '59.692', 'end': '62.261', 'text': "I don't even have her contact information,"}, {'start': '60.259', 'end': '62.862', 'text': 'you know?'}, {'start': '61.127', 'end': '72.105', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: It hasn't changed"}, {'start': '61.727', 'end': '72.105', 'text': ", man.  It's that same"}, {'start': '62.328', 'end': '72.105', 'text': "cell phone and then it comes here and it's"}, {'start': '62.928', 'end': '72.105', 'text': 'live now.  Good then.'}, {'start': '75.208', 'end': '80.146', 'text': 'and'}, {'start': '88.288', 'end': '100.266', 'text': 'Defending your thesis and'}, {'start': '88.821', 'end': '100.266', 'text': 'beyond two people who are.'}, {'start': '90.290', 'end': '100.266', 'text': 'What were they?  Who completed their'}, {'start': '95.595', 'end': '100.266', 'text': 'doctorate?'}, {'start': '101.401', 'end': '106.272', 'text': 'here are not two doctors'}, {'start': '102.035', 'end': '106.272', 'text': 'here are we two people.'}, {'start': '109.409', 'end': '116.349', 'text': 'And two people who'}, {'start': '109.909', 'end': '116.349', 'text': 'evidently have many perceptions'}, {'start': '110.543', 'end': '116.349', 'text': 'of the world in common.'}, {'start': '122.455', 'end': '129.728', 'text': 'different others divergent.'}, {'start': '123.022', 'end': '134.934', 'text': 'But anyway.  We are two people who'}, {'start': '123.589', 'end': '139.439', 'text': 'have.  history and'}, {'start': '126.658', 'end': '139.439', 'text': 'trajectory At times'}, {'start': '134.467', 'end': '139.439', 'text': 'Crusades but most of the'}, {'start': '135.001', 'end': '139.439', 'text': 'time.   It'}, {'start': '143.576', 'end': '150.517', 'text': 'even went up until 98. For'}, {'start': '144.076', 'end': '150.517', 'text': 'example, I only knew Maurício'}, {'start': '144.677', 'end': '150.517', 'text': 'Zeni through Vista Alegre,'}, {'start': '145.811', 'end': '150.517', 'text': 'right?'}, {'start': '153.620', 'end': '158.558', 'text': 'But anyway.'}, {'start': '159.659', 'end': '165.197', 'text': "and it's been a big wish of mine for"}, {'start': '160.192', 'end': '166.832', 'text': "some time now, I've already done some"}, {'start': '160.726', 'end': '171.604', 'text': 'interviews with one or two.'}, {'start': '164.697', 'end': '171.604', 'text': 'interviews with him and such but'}, {'start': '165.264', 'end': '171.604', 'text': 'very specific But now I'}, {'start': '166.899', 'end': '171.604', 'text': 'want.'}, {'start': '174.707', 'end': '180.647', 'text': 'Talking to Maurício about'}, {'start': '175.274', 'end': '180.647', 'text': 'his story about his'}, {'start': '175.741', 'end': '180.647', 'text': 'trajectory is mainly.'}, {'start': '183.816', 'end': '188.721', 'text': 'Your memories, right Mauricio'}, {'start': '184.349', 'end': '188.721', 'text': 'Zeni?'}, {'start': '193.860', 'end': '199.766', 'text': 'Introduce yourself and in this'}, {'start': '194.260', 'end': '199.766', 'text': 'introduction tell me the day, month, year'}, {'start': '194.994', 'end': '199.766', 'text': 'and place where you were born.'}, {'start': '200.900', 'end': '205.772', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Costa'}, {'start': '210.910', 'end': '215.815', 'text': 'I was born on November 19th.'}, {'start': '223.956', 'end': '230.963', 'text': 'In the place called Celina, which'}, {'start': '224.556', 'end': '231.563', 'text': 'is still destroyed today, in the city of'}, {'start': '225.123', 'end': '236.002', 'text': "Alegre in Espírito Santo.  that's what"}, {'start': '231.030', 'end': '241.040', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: in Espírito'}, {'start': '231.630', 'end': '241.574', 'text': 'Santo'}, {'start': '236.069', 'end': '245.979', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: It's happy, it's a"}, {'start': '236.736', 'end': '245.979', 'text': 'city that has grown a lot.  And'}, {'start': '241.107', 'end': '245.979', 'text': 'I returned to Celina in 1900 in'}, {'start': '241.641', 'end': '245.979', 'text': '2018.'}, {'start': '248.081', 'end': '256.555', 'text': 'and made a very'}, {'start': '248.581', 'end': '261.160', 'text': "interesting discovery, Celina, I don't know if it"}, {'start': '249.215', 'end': '261.160', 'text': "grew or not, but it's so"}, {'start': '252.351', 'end': '261.160', 'text': 'peaceful.  I remember that in 19 something,'}, {'start': '264.263', 'end': '271.204', 'text': 'by chance, I met'}, {'start': '264.830', 'end': '271.204', 'text': "a person on a bus, I don't"}, {'start': '265.497', 'end': '271.204', 'text': 'even know how it was, it was a woman'}, {'start': '266.064', 'end': '271.204', 'text': 'anymore.  Who told me so.'}, {'start': '272.305', 'end': '279.245', 'text': "So you're Celina?  I"}, {'start': '272.972', 'end': '279.245', 'text': 'guarantee you it would be a state'}, {'start': '273.539', 'end': '279.245', 'text': 'the way you left it there.'}, {'start': '280.346', 'end': '291.291', 'text': 'And the impression I had was that'}, {'start': '280.980', 'end': '291.291', 'text': "he hadn't changed much, right?  I"}, {'start': '281.547', 'end': '291.291', 'text': 'tried to locate it.  That we'}, {'start': '286.552', 'end': '291.291', 'text': 'were born in a place.'}, {'start': '293.393', 'end': '301.334', 'text': 'The Zeni family members, Mr.'}, {'start': '293.960', 'end': '301.334', 'text': 'Luigi and Mrs. Teresa, and I'}, {'start': '296.629', 'end': '301.334', 'text': "couldn't find the site."}, {'start': '302.435', 'end': '311.411', 'text': "But I don't know if it still"}, {'start': '303.035', 'end': '311.411', 'text': 'exists as a site, or what'}, {'start': '303.636', 'end': '311.411', 'text': 'happened? No one could'}, {'start': '306.706', 'end': '311.411', 'text': 'tell me exactly where it was, but do you'}, {'start': '312.512', 'end': '317.417', 'text': 'understand?  It was a little bit'}, {'start': '313.079', 'end': '317.417', 'text': 'away from what he called the'}, {'start': '313.679', 'end': '317.417', 'text': 'urban area. At that'}, {'start': '318.518', 'end': '323.456', 'text': 'time, there was already a'}, {'start': '319.051', 'end': '323.456', 'text': 'rural area of \u200b\u200bCelina and an urban area'}, {'start': '319.652', 'end': '323.456', 'text': 'of \u200b\u200bCelina.'}, {'start': '325.558', 'end': '335.501', 'text': 'I was in the urban area of'}, {'start': '326.058', 'end': '335.501', 'text': 'Celina.  So no one was able to'}, {'start': '326.692', 'end': '335.501', 'text': 'tell me exactly'}, {'start': '330.796', 'end': '335.501', 'text': 'where I was born and look.'}, {'start': '337.603', 'end': '341.373', 'text': 'A person who'}, {'start': '338.170', 'end': '345.545', 'text': 'lived on the farm when I was born,'}, {'start': '338.770', 'end': '345.545', 'text': "she wasn't dating anyone if he"}, {'start': '340.873', 'end': '345.545', 'text': "didn't live in the city called"}, {'start': '341.440', 'end': '345.545', 'text': 'Guaçuí.   It'}, {'start': '346.646', 'end': '351.584', 'text': 'was a cousin who died'}, {'start': '347.146', 'end': '351.584', 'text': "last year and she didn't know"}, {'start': '347.747', 'end': '351.584', 'text': 'where she was anymore either.'}, {'start': '353.686', 'end': '359.858', 'text': "So I actually, I don't know, I"}, {'start': '354.353', 'end': '363.696', 'text': 'know I was born there.'}, {'start': '358.724', 'end': '364.296', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: a place of'}, {'start': '359.324', 'end': '367.733', 'text': 'memory that ended up being erased'}, {'start': '363.763', 'end': '368.734', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: I don't know, I don't"}, {'start': '364.363', 'end': '373.673', 'text': 'know what, right?'}, {'start': '367.800', 'end': '373.673', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: And one'}, {'start': '368.267', 'end': '373.673', 'text': 'detail.'}, {'start': '368.801', 'end': '373.673', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: same'}, {'start': '376.809', 'end': '381.714', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: that Celina'}, {'start': '377.376', 'end': '381.714', 'text': 'continues after 78 years'}, {'start': '377.876', 'end': '381.714', 'text': 'continues to be a continuation.'}, {'start': '393.893', 'end': '398.798', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: The registry office He'}, {'start': '394.493', 'end': '398.798', 'text': 'registered me when I was born, still'}, {'start': '395.094', 'end': '398.798', 'text': 'myself.'}, {'start': '400.933', 'end': '407.807', 'text': 'I visited there and they printed'}, {'start': '401.500', 'end': '407.807', 'text': 'another pretty certificate there, nice'}, {'start': '402.167', 'end': '407.807', 'text': 'guy.'}, {'start': '408.975', 'end': '413.713', 'text': 'I was baptized in a church.'}, {'start': '409.508', 'end': '417.917', 'text': "That wasn't it, but I think it"}, {'start': '410.142', 'end': '417.917', 'text': 'must be the same one, it must be there, you'}, {'start': '413.212', 'end': '417.917', 'text': "know?  I didn't ask for a"}, {'start': '413.779', 'end': '417.917', 'text': 'batistenha.'}, {'start': '419.018', 'end': '425.958', 'text': 'You know that at that time'}, {'start': '419.685', 'end': '425.958', 'text': 'everyone was baptized in the'}, {'start': '420.219', 'end': '425.958', 'text': "Catholic church and Look, I'm sorry."}, {'start': '427.059', 'end': '431.964', 'text': 'Some evangelicals were also'}, {'start': '427.659', 'end': '431.964', 'text': 'baptized.'}, {'start': '434.100', 'end': '438.971', 'text': 'Not even being evangelical'}, {'start': '442.108', 'end': '447.013', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: imposed in'}, {'start': '453.152', 'end': '460.159', 'text': 'What is the name of this the'}, {'start': '453.619', 'end': '460.659', 'text': 'separation of church and state'}, {'start': '454.219', 'end': '464.296', 'text': 'more or less.'}, {'start': '458.190', 'end': '474.173', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: 91'}, {'start': '460.226', 'end': '474.173', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: 91 but'}, {'start': '460.726', 'end': '474.173', 'text': 'despite that.  The church'}, {'start': '464.363', 'end': '474.173', 'text': 'continues.  until'}, {'start': '476.275', 'end': '481.214', 'text': 'Maybe a little earlier.  Maybe a'}, {'start': '476.875', 'end': '481.214', 'text': 'little more.'}, {'start': '482.315', 'end': '487.220', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: in the 70s,'}, {'start': '488.321', 'end': '496.262', 'text': 'both Catholic and'}, {'start': '488.888', 'end': '496.262', 'text': 'Protestant churches at the time, we'}, {'start': '489.455', 'end': '496.262', 'text': 'will call them Protestants?'}, {'start': '491.357', 'end': '496.262', 'text': 'They'}, {'start': '503.402', 'end': '508.307', 'text': 'married you and that marriage'}, {'start': '504.069', 'end': '508.307', 'text': "was valid civilly, you didn't"}, {'start': '504.770', 'end': '508.307', 'text': 'need to get married or go to the'}, {'start': '505.370', 'end': '508.307', 'text': 'civil authorities.'}, {'start': '509.408', 'end': '511.243', 'text': 'the head of the church, the pastor, the'}, {'start': '509.941', 'end': '515.381', 'text': 'priest, was organizing their'}, {'start': '510.409', 'end': '515.381', 'text': 'marriage.'}, {'start': '510.709', 'end': '515.381', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: the path in'}, {'start': '516.482', 'end': '519.985', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Did you see?'}, {'start': '518.484', 'end': '524.456', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: living being'}, {'start': '519.017', 'end': '525.023', 'text': 'means you'}, {'start': '519.485', 'end': '525.657', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: That later.'}, {'start': '524.523', 'end': '528.027', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: he did and on the'}, {'start': '525.090', 'end': '532.832', 'text': 'day of the celebration itself, whether'}, {'start': '525.724', 'end': '537.736', 'text': 'in the Catholic church or in'}, {'start': '527.560', 'end': '539.505', 'text': 'Protege, there was a'}, {'start': '528.093', 'end': '544.510', 'text': 'court officer.  the head of the registry office,'}, {'start': '532.898', 'end': '544.510', 'text': 'so to speak.  witness and'}, {'start': '537.803', 'end': '544.510', 'text': 'endorse that'}, {'start': '539.572', 'end': '544.510', 'text': 'ceremony'}, {'start': '546.612', 'end': '551.617', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: OK,'}, {'start': '553.719', 'end': '558.658', 'text': "I didn't watch a wedding."}, {'start': '562.762', 'end': '567.700', 'text': 'And I never heard of a'}, {'start': '563.362', 'end': '567.700', 'text': 'bailiff being present.'}, {'start': '569.802', 'end': '574.707', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: No, I'}, {'start': '570.436', 'end': '574.707', 'text': 'already knew the Catholic Church and'}, {'start': '571.036', 'end': '574.707', 'text': 'the evangelical church in the years.'}, {'start': '578.811', 'end': '583.749', 'text': 'And the weddings I attended'}, {'start': '579.378', 'end': '583.749', 'text': 'were conducted by the pastor,'}, {'start': '579.912', 'end': '583.749', 'text': 'so to speak.'}, {'start': '585.851', 'end': '591.824', 'text': 'How could I play'}, {'start': '586.451', 'end': '594.827', 'text': 'the role of the religious element?'}, {'start': '590.823', 'end': '595.828', 'text': 'And the head of the registry office'}, {'start': '591.390', 'end': '600.933', 'text': 'was there.'}, {'start': '591.891', 'end': '601.634', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: yes'}, {'start': '594.894', 'end': '602.301', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: power'}, {'start': '595.895', 'end': '605.938', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: civil power'}, {'start': '601.000', 'end': '605.938', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Not me not'}, {'start': '601.700', 'end': '605.938', 'text': 'me Now you see the following,'}, {'start': '602.368', 'end': '605.938', 'text': 'what the secular state is.'}, {'start': '607.039', 'end': '611.944', 'text': 'We will only achieve this through hard work'}, {'start': '607.639', 'end': '611.944', 'text': 'and in a very restrictive manner, as'}, {'start': '613.045', 'end': '626.025', 'text': 'in 1976 the Catholic Church'}, {'start': '613.645', 'end': '626.025', 'text': 'managed to do.  That the Brazilian secular state'}, {'start': '618.384', 'end': '626.025', 'text': '.'}, {'start': '621.087', 'end': '626.025', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: yes and'}, {'start': '634.166', 'end': '639.038', 'text': 'both sides of the so-called'}, {'start': '634.666', 'end': '639.038', 'text': 'Christianity that I find'}, {'start': '635.133', 'end': '639.038', 'text': 'complicated'}, {'start': '641.140', 'end': '646.078', 'text': 'If they raised their'}, {'start': '641.707', 'end': '646.078', 'text': 'voices.'}, {'start': '647.179', 'end': '655.154', 'text': 'Against divorce.'}, {'start': '647.779', 'end': '655.754', 'text': 'The'}, {'start': '648.380', 'end': '660.159', 'text': 'Protestant church benefited most from divorce.  Why do'}, {'start': '651.283', 'end': '660.159', 'text': 'your members say they are paid off?'}, {'start': '655.221', 'end': '660.159', 'text': 'were able to marry their new'}, {'start': '655.821', 'end': '660.159', 'text': 'spouses'}, {'start': '662.261', 'end': '667.232', 'text': 'and consequently were'}, {'start': '662.794', 'end': '667.832', 'text': 'finally able to fully integrate'}, {'start': '664.229', 'end': '672.204', 'text': 'their respective sufferings less.'}, {'start': '666.298', 'end': '672.204', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: I had.'}, {'start': '667.299', 'end': '672.204', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: interesting'}, {'start': '673.305', 'end': '682.248', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: He was a'}, {'start': '673.905', 'end': '682.248', 'text': 'Baptist pastor.  He separated from his'}, {'start': '677.609', 'end': '682.248', 'text': 'wife.'}, {'start': '683.349', 'end': '692.291', 'text': 'Okay, my dear.'}, {'start': '686.352', 'end': '692.291', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Do \u200b\u200byou know one?'}, {'start': '687.353', 'end': '692.291', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: In'}, {'start': '695.394', 'end': '699.931', 'text': 'other words, the barrier to'}, {'start': '695.927', 'end': '704.336', 'text': 'divorce is not just Catholic.'}, {'start': '696.561', 'end': '704.903', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: No.'}, {'start': '699.431', 'end': '705.370', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Not quite'}, {'start': '699.998', 'end': '706.004', 'text': '.'}, {'start': '704.403', 'end': '709.375', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: No.'}, {'start': '704.970', 'end': '709.375', 'text': "Actually, I'm against"}, {'start': '705.437', 'end': '709.375', 'text': "divorce.  As long as it's not in"}, {'start': '706.071', 'end': '709.375', 'text': 'my'}, {'start': '714.480', 'end': '722.654', 'text': "opinion, I understand and I'm in favor of"}, {'start': '715.013', 'end': '725.491', 'text': 'divorce.  As long as it is to'}, {'start': '715.581', 'end': '726.091', 'text': 'benefit those who cannot.'}, {'start': '720.452', 'end': '726.659', 'text': "take part of the Bible So there's"}, {'start': '722.721', 'end': '731.096', 'text': 'this one.'}, {'start': '725.558', 'end': '732.798', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: Now it's"}, {'start': '726.158', 'end': '737.470', 'text': 'something that pleases me a lot.'}, {'start': '730.496', 'end': '737.470', 'text': "What's the thing is, you know"}, {'start': '731.163', 'end': '737.470', 'text': 'Christians.  They really like'}, {'start': '732.865', 'end': '737.470', 'text': 'to fight among themselves.'}, {'start': '738.637', 'end': '743.341', 'text': "That's a fantastic thing, but"}, {'start': '739.237', 'end': '747.580', 'text': "that's why I think the"}, {'start': '739.771', 'end': '747.580', 'text': 'question of love is'}, {'start': '742.807', 'end': '747.580', 'text': 'fundamental because the only thing we are'}, {'start': '743.408', 'end': '747.580', 'text': '.'}, {'start': '757.723', 'end': '765.698', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: anyway'}, {'start': '760.759', 'end': '765.698', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: I don't"}, {'start': '761.292', 'end': '765.698', 'text': 'know.'}, {'start': '772.805', 'end': '777.710', 'text': "The only group I've met"}, {'start': '773.405', 'end': '777.710', 'text': 'that has difficulty being'}, {'start': '773.939', 'end': '777.710', 'text': 'recognized are.'}, {'start': '779.812', 'end': '785.584', 'text': 'Catholics with the right to decide'}, {'start': '780.412', 'end': '786.184', 'text': 'then group of'}, {'start': '780.913', 'end': '789.287', 'text': 'Catholic women.  Those who defend'}, {'start': '785.083', 'end': '793.826', 'text': 'abortion because they should have the'}, {'start': '785.650', 'end': '798.864', 'text': 'right to decide within the'}, {'start': '788.787', 'end': '799.431', 'text': 'Catholic Church are the only ones I know.'}, {'start': '792.825', 'end': '799.932', 'text': 'No, no, no, no.'}, {'start': '793.893', 'end': '800.365', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: No.'}, {'start': '798.931', 'end': '802.868', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: No, it does not'}, {'start': '799.498', 'end': '803.468', 'text': 'endorse.  Kiss.  In a'}, {'start': '799.998', 'end': '807.807', 'text': 'way, you understand?'}, {'start': '800.432', 'end': '807.807', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: even the'}, {'start': '802.935', 'end': '807.807', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: And I'll tell you,"}, {'start': '803.535', 'end': '807.807', 'text': "I'll tell you, I have."}, {'start': '808.941', 'end': '815.881', 'text': 'Can I talk to you on my channel here'}, {'start': '809.508', 'end': '815.881', 'text': '?  Oh there.'}, {'start': '817.016', 'end': '825.991', 'text': 'He swears with his feet together and'}, {'start': '817.549', 'end': '826.558', 'text': 'apart.  That Kardecism'}, {'start': '820.419', 'end': '827.993', 'text': 'is not Christian.  Well, I have'}, {'start': '824.356', 'end': '828.493', 'text': 'nothing to do with it.'}, {'start': '826.058', 'end': '829.094', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: I'm not going"}, {'start': '826.625', 'end': '831.997', 'text': 'in.'}, {'start': '828.060', 'end': '832.531', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: fills the'}, {'start': '828.560', 'end': '837.002', 'text': 'Kardecists are fervently'}, {'start': '829.161', 'end': '837.002', 'text': 'love.'}, {'start': '832.064', 'end': '837.002', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: I think it's"}, {'start': '832.597', 'end': '837.002', 'text': 'complicated, right?'}, {'start': '839.071', 'end': '851.249', 'text': 'So syncretism ends.  if I'}, {'start': '842.174', 'end': '855.220', 'text': 'exclude myself in all aspects of so-'}, {'start': '850.148', 'end': '860.092', 'text': 'called Christianity, which'}, {'start': '850.749', 'end': '860.626', 'text': 'I also find complicated, like all Christianity,'}, {'start': '851.316', 'end': '861.226', 'text': 'but we'}, {'start': '855.287', 'end': '861.860', 'text': 'could.'}, {'start': '860.159', 'end': '865.130', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: I usually'}, {'start': '860.692', 'end': '865.730', 'text': 'say that syncretism is a'}, {'start': '861.293', 'end': '866.298', 'text': 'two-way street, so you go one way. >>'}, {'start': '865.197', 'end': '874.272', 'text': 'Jorge Damasceno:'}, {'start': '865.797', 'end': '874.873', 'text': 'We could even have a chat on'}, {'start': '866.364', 'end': '875.473', 'text': "your channel about this.  I'm"}, {'start': '866.998', 'end': '876.174', 'text': 'fine.  This is'}, {'start': '874.339', 'end': '881.146', 'text': "complicated, but I'm not"}, {'start': '874.939', 'end': '881.146', 'text': 'afraid of thorny issues.'}, {'start': '876.241', 'end': '881.146', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Neither do I.'}, {'start': '882.247', 'end': '889.855', 'text': "Me neither now I'm a"}, {'start': '887.386', 'end': '890.422', 'text': 'summoner you know me you'}, {'start': '888.086', 'end': '894.859', 'text': "know I'm a provocateur."}, {'start': '889.288', 'end': '895.393', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: No, but I'}, {'start': '889.922', 'end': '896.494', 'text': 'want to schedule a conversation.'}, {'start': '894.259', 'end': '903.269', 'text': "Now you're going to have to come up with"}, {'start': '894.926', 'end': '903.269', 'text': 'a title, people must'}, {'start': '895.460', 'end': '903.269', 'text': 'be fed up with my'}, {'start': '896.561', 'end': '903.269', 'text': 'presence.  your channel'}, {'start': '909.375', 'end': '918.317', 'text': 'to do so just search on Google for'}, {'start': '910.042', 'end': '918.317', 'text': 'chat with Zeni and'}, {'start': '910.643', 'end': '918.317', 'text': 'he will soon present it.  Or on YouTube'}, {'start': '913.612', 'end': '918.317', 'text': 'even good you.'}, {'start': '924.456', 'end': '930.061', 'text': 'You are born in Celina, Celina'}, {'start': '925.056', 'end': '934.466', 'text': 'remains there until 78 years after'}, {'start': '925.657', 'end': '935.434', 'text': 'your birth,'}, {'start': '929.627', 'end': '940.538', 'text': 'and you remain in the district with the guy who will'}, {'start': '930.128', 'end': '945.811', 'text': 'remain there for a long time.'}, {'start': '934.533', 'end': '950.716', 'text': 'Where was your childhood?'}, {'start': '935.501', 'end': '955.454', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Look, let me'}, {'start': '940.605', 'end': '955.454', 'text': "tell you.  And with I don't know how"}, {'start': '945.878', 'end': '955.454', 'text': 'long to live.  I usually say'}, {'start': '959.591', 'end': '966.532', 'text': 'But since my mother and because she is'}, {'start': '960.225', 'end': '966.532', 'text': "my mother didn't lie, she said"}, {'start': '960.859', 'end': '966.532', 'text': "no, I'm not going to contest it."}, {'start': '968.634', 'end': '979.545', 'text': 'Okay, I had an infection there'}, {'start': '969.268', 'end': '979.545', 'text': "that I don't know what it was and I"}, {'start': '969.868', 'end': '979.545', 'text': 'went blind.  With very little'}, {'start': '971.870', 'end': '979.545', 'text': 'time left to live.  and'}, {'start': '983.682', 'end': '993.858', 'text': 'we migrated to Rio de'}, {'start': '984.182', 'end': '994.459', 'text': 'Janeiro.  He has a sister who'}, {'start': '988.987', 'end': '998.630', 'text': 'was born in June 1948 and was still'}, {'start': '989.521', 'end': '998.630', 'text': 'born up there.  Shortly'}, {'start': '993.925', 'end': '998.630', 'text': 'after, we moved to Rio'}, {'start': '994.525', 'end': '998.630', 'text': 'de Janeiro.'}, {'start': '999.731', 'end': '1004.636', 'text': "He migrated to his uncle's house."}, {'start': '1006.738', 'end': '1011.710', 'text': 'That attracted people with me.   The'}, {'start': '1014.813', 'end': '1023.756', 'text': 'first place I lived'}, {'start': '1015.380', 'end': '1023.756', 'text': 'was in the Alegria favela,'}, {'start': '1015.914', 'end': '1023.756', 'text': 'near São Januário.  This one'}, {'start': '1019.051', 'end': '1023.756', 'text': 'has no memory of that.'}, {'start': '1026.859', 'end': '1032.731', 'text': "Then my father got a job, I don't"}, {'start': '1027.493', 'end': '1036.802', 'text': 'know where we went to live.  My'}, {'start': '1028.093', 'end': '1036.802', 'text': 'father said that we went to live'}, {'start': '1032.197', 'end': '1036.802', 'text': 'in Morro do Querosene.  I also'}, {'start': '1032.798', 'end': '1036.802', 'text': 'have no memory of'}, {'start': '1037.903', 'end': '1042.841', 'text': 'In Rio de Janeiro is it near'}, {'start': '1038.503', 'end': '1042.841', 'text': 'Estácio?'}, {'start': '1047.980', 'end': '1057.923', 'text': 'Catumbi hill is'}, {'start': '1063.095', 'end': '1071.469', 'text': 'right there, taking up space,'}, {'start': '1063.695', 'end': '1076.008', 'text': 'okay?  Everything is throbbing in the tongue, but'}, {'start': '1064.296', 'end': '1076.008', 'text': 'always a favela, always a favela.  in'}, {'start': '1067.132', 'end': '1076.008', 'text': '1956 I moved to Morro de'}, {'start': '1071.536', 'end': '1076.008', 'text': 'São Carlos.'}, {'start': '1081.146', 'end': '1092.091', 'text': 'And you see, you went on foot from the'}, {'start': '1081.746', 'end': '1092.091', 'text': 'Catupirão hill where you lived to'}, {'start': '1082.414', 'end': '1092.091', 'text': 'the São Carlos hill.  so the'}, {'start': '1087.318', 'end': '1092.091', 'text': 'connection was total and'}, {'start': '1097.196', 'end': '1103.168', 'text': 'He has above and below.  You'}, {'start': '1097.830', 'end': '1105.170', 'text': 'have a slope called São de'}, {'start': '1098.430', 'end': '1110.142', 'text': 'Rubbish, I think it still exists,'}, {'start': '1099.498', 'end': '1110.142', 'text': "I know, I've never been there again."}, {'start': '1103.235', 'end': '1110.142', 'text': 'In that upper part.'}, {'start': '1105.237', 'end': '1110.142', 'text': 'Gonzaguinha'}, {'start': '1111.243', 'end': '1116.148', 'text': 'and I lived downstairs,'}, {'start': '1111.810', 'end': '1116.148', 'text': "we didn't know each other, I think that's why"}, {'start': '1112.444', 'end': '1116.148', 'text': '.'}, {'start': '1119.318', 'end': '1124.223', 'text': 'Okay, and the lower part of a'}, {'start': '1119.851', 'end': '1124.223', 'text': 'peculiarity she was fat.'}, {'start': '1125.324', 'end': '1135.300', 'text': 'I think the penitentiary was like that, I think it'}, {'start': '1125.891', 'end': '1135.867', 'text': 'was Leão de Brito'}, {'start': '1126.491', 'end': '1140.272', 'text': '.  There was a'}, {'start': '1130.629', 'end': '1140.272', 'text': 'penitentiary wall and guards.    I'}, {'start': '1135.367', 'end': '1140.272', 'text': 'would stay 500 meters away from the'}, {'start': '1135.934', 'end': '1140.272', 'text': 'guardhouse, keeping watch.'}, {'start': '1142.374', 'end': '1147.312', 'text': "For us the wall wasn't very"}, {'start': '1142.974', 'end': '1147.312', 'text': 'high, but for them it was because'}, {'start': '1143.541', 'end': '1147.312', 'text': 'we were on'}, {'start': '1148.413', 'end': '1156.054', 'text': 'top, right, from the penitentiary to'}, {'start': '1148.980', 'end': '1160.359', 'text': 'them the world was very high.'}, {'start': '1149.514', 'end': '1160.359', 'text': "So it was a habit of ours.  It's about"}, {'start': '1155.520', 'end': '1160.359', 'text': 'standing between one guardhouse and another'}, {'start': '1156.121', 'end': '1160.359', 'text': 'and talking about prices.'}, {'start': '1163.495', 'end': '1168.032', 'text': 'So our life also went through'}, {'start': '1164.095', 'end': '1172.703', 'text': 'this, talking to the'}, {'start': '1164.629', 'end': '1176.641', 'text': 'prisoners and then talking to the guard.'}, {'start': '1167.532', 'end': '1177.308', 'text': 'We were familiar with'}, {'start': '1168.099', 'end': '1181.480', 'text': 'both sides.  I think I'}, {'start': '1172.770', 'end': '1181.480', 'text': "remember there, you know?  So I'm"}, {'start': '1176.707', 'end': '1181.480', 'text': 'telling you about part of my'}, {'start': '1177.375', 'end': '1181.480', 'text': 'childhood.'}, {'start': '1183.582', 'end': '1190.522', 'text': 'Right?  And that means before'}, {'start': '1184.182', 'end': '1190.522', 'text': 'I think about school, that that'}, {'start': '1184.783', 'end': '1190.522', 'text': "'s another Chapter."}, {'start': '1191.623', 'end': '1196.528', 'text': 'That we maybe Should come in if'}, {'start': '1192.190', 'end': '1196.528', 'text': 'you want, understand?  Then.'}, {'start': '1197.629', 'end': '1202.568', 'text': 'My childhood was when'}, {'start': '1206.638', 'end': '1214.580', 'text': 'I was homeless, I would'}, {'start': '1207.205', 'end': '1214.580', 'text': 'play with people on the street, I'}, {'start': '1207.805', 'end': '1214.580', 'text': 'had friends who could see, the'}, {'start': '1209.875', 'end': '1214.580', 'text': 'only blind person was me.   Did'}, {'start': '1216.682', 'end': '1220.685', 'text': 'you understand?  I was the only one right,'}, {'start': '1217.282', 'end': '1221.285', 'text': 'but there were some people and our'}, {'start': '1217.883', 'end': '1224.689', 'text': 'homes are open doors, right?  There'}, {'start': '1220.118', 'end': '1225.189', 'text': 'was no such thing.'}, {'start': '1220.752', 'end': '1225.790', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: open door'}, {'start': '1224.756', 'end': '1231.697', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: everyone could'}, {'start': '1225.256', 'end': '1231.697', 'text': 'freely enter each'}, {'start': '1225.857', 'end': '1231.697', 'text': "other's houses without any problem, okay?  No"}, {'start': '1226.858', 'end': '1231.697', 'text': 'problem.'}, {'start': '1234.800', 'end': '1242.708', 'text': 'So that was my'}, {'start': '1235.367', 'end': '1242.708', 'text': 'part before trying'}, {'start': '1249.848', 'end': '1258.790', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: My friend'}, {'start': '1250.415', 'end': '1258.790', 'text': 'for many years Maurício, what'}, {'start': '1251.015', 'end': '1258.790', 'text': 'was the relationship between the only one'}, {'start': '1253.818', 'end': '1258.790', 'text': 'and the other boys like?'}, {'start': '1262.894', 'end': '1267.833', 'text': 'From that area around Catumbi'}, {'start': '1263.461', 'end': '1267.833', 'text': 'do São Carlos.'}, {'start': '1269.935', 'end': '1274.840', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: This woman I'}, {'start': '1270.535', 'end': '1274.840', 'text': 'had the best friendship with was'}, {'start': '1271.102', 'end': '1274.840', 'text': 'in São Carlos, right?  By then'}, {'start': '1276.975', 'end': '1281.880', 'text': 'I was already six years old and such.'}, {'start': '1277.508', 'end': '1281.880', 'text': "So I didn't stay."}, {'start': '1283.014', 'end': '1291.923', 'text': "only inside the house, but I didn't go"}, {'start': '1283.648', 'end': '1291.923', 'text': "very far, it wasn't all"}, {'start': '1284.148', 'end': '1291.923', 'text': 'neighborhood.  You understand, my'}, {'start': '1287.385', 'end': '1291.923', 'text': 'name is the good relationship. I'}, {'start': '1296.061', 'end': '1302.067', 'text': "don't remember any major"}, {'start': '1296.561', 'end': '1302.667', 'text': 'discrimination, but there were'}, {'start': '1297.128', 'end': '1308.974', 'text': "things that I didn't do with"}, {'start': '1299.230', 'end': '1308.974', 'text': 'them, of course, you understand?  But'}, {'start': '1302.133', 'end': '1308.974', 'text': 'all I remember is that the'}, {'start': '1302.734', 'end': '1308.974', 'text': 'relationship was good.  Did you understand?'}, {'start': '1310.075', 'end': '1315.013', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: But good in the'}, {'start': '1310.642', 'end': '1315.013', 'text': 'sense.'}, {'start': '1318.116', 'end': '1323.088', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: No, they never'}, {'start': '1318.716', 'end': '1323.688', 'text': 'told me that, but we'}, {'start': '1320.118', 'end': '1325.090', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: That'}, {'start': '1320.585', 'end': '1325.724', 'text': 'joke.'}, {'start': '1323.155', 'end': '1333.131', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Got it?  For'}, {'start': '1323.755', 'end': '1333.131', 'text': 'example, it is not for example.'}, {'start': '1325.157', 'end': '1333.131', 'text': 'They were running from something, I'}, {'start': '1325.791', 'end': '1333.131', 'text': "wasn't with them.  or we could"}, {'start': '1338.203', 'end': '1340.705', 'text': 'take my mother and'}, {'start': '1338.837', 'end': '1341.540', 'text': 'leave, my sister was in the middle'}, {'start': '1339.471', 'end': '1342.207', 'text': ', my sister was a year'}, {'start': '1340.105', 'end': '1346.178', 'text': 'and a half apart in age.  So'}, {'start': '1340.772', 'end': '1346.178', 'text': 'she was in the middle of that period.'}, {'start': '1341.606', 'end': '1346.178', 'text': 'I walked a lot with my sister.'}, {'start': '1347.279', 'end': '1356.221', 'text': 'I even remember that one'}, {'start': '1347.846', 'end': '1356.221', 'text': 'time I fell into a bullet. Poor thing,'}, {'start': '1348.413', 'end': '1356.221', 'text': 'my sister was with him and'}, {'start': '1351.583', 'end': '1356.221', 'text': 'suddenly I disappeared.'}, {'start': '1358.356', 'end': '1361.993', 'text': 'I disappeared and there was another one'}, {'start': '1358.856', 'end': '1366.264', 'text': "too, which I don't remember"}, {'start': '1359.490', 'end': '1366.264', 'text': 'anymore.  How did it happen? I'}, {'start': '1361.459', 'end': '1366.264', 'text': 'slipped and fell into the well.'}, {'start': '1367.399', 'end': '1375.506', 'text': 'flower, they took me out of the'}, {'start': '1367.966', 'end': '1376.107', 'text': "course there, I don't remember"}, {'start': '1368.566', 'end': '1376.741', 'text': "drowning I think I'm"}, {'start': '1370.635', 'end': '1389.388', 'text': 'alive, you understand?  And because of'}, {'start': '1375.573', 'end': '1389.388', 'text': 'that fall in the post to be'}, {'start': '1376.173', 'end': '1389.388', 'text': "afraid of the water and until today I haven't"}, {'start': '1376.841', 'end': '1389.388', 'text': 'managed it.  overcome never Did you'}, {'start': '1393.492', 'end': '1400.432', 'text': 'understand that, I'}, {'start': '1394.025', 'end': '1400.432', 'text': "couldn't do it then, I didn't learn to"}, {'start': '1394.693', 'end': '1400.432', 'text': "swim, I didn't learn anything."}, {'start': '1406.538', 'end': '1416.481', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Well then.'}, {'start': '1409.541', 'end': '1416.481', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: I think'}, {'start': '1410.108', 'end': '1416.481', 'text': 'as a child before starting'}, {'start': '1410.642', 'end': '1416.481', 'text': 'school.  I was.'}, {'start': '1417.582', 'end': '1422.521', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Is it a'}, {'start': '1418.049', 'end': '1422.521', 'text': 'child?'}, {'start': '1425.624', 'end': '1440.605', 'text': 'I think exactly like that'}, {'start': '1426.224', 'end': '1440.605', 'text': "the child doesn't.  Had"}, {'start': '1430.828', 'end': '1440.605', 'text': "she, didn't she?  She doesn't exclude, she"}, {'start': '1436.033', 'end': '1440.605', 'text': 'learns to exclude.'}, {'start': '1442.707', 'end': '1447.646', 'text': 'She learns to leave people'}, {'start': '1443.307', 'end': '1447.646', 'text': "aside, she doesn't leave the person"}, {'start': '1443.941', 'end': '1447.646', 'text': 'aside.'}, {'start': '1449.748', 'end': '1458.690', 'text': 'This is independent of who the'}, {'start': '1450.348', 'end': '1458.690', 'text': 'person is, for example, there were'}, {'start': '1450.915', 'end': '1458.690', 'text': 'those here, we have'}, {'start': '1453.952', 'end': '1458.690', 'text': 'ours, our mothers.'}, {'start': '1460.792', 'end': '1465.730', 'text': 'That even comes back and every now and then'}, {'start': '1461.359', 'end': '1465.730', 'text': 'they would get into trouble and fight and not'}, {'start': '1461.993', 'end': '1465.730', 'text': 'want to deal with each other and'}, {'start': '1466.831', 'end': '1471.736', 'text': 'so on and we were in the middle of that'}, {'start': '1467.398', 'end': '1473.771', 'text': 'crossfire, right?  But we'}, {'start': '1467.998', 'end': '1475.773', 'text': "wanted to play, but our mothers wouldn't let us"}, {'start': '1471.202', 'end': '1480.779', 'text': 'because they were at odds with'}, {'start': '1471.802', 'end': '1480.779', 'text': 'each other.'}, {'start': '1473.838', 'end': '1480.779', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: A lot of that.'}, {'start': '1475.840', 'end': '1480.779', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: And then'}, {'start': '1481.880', 'end': '1484.182', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: It happened'}, {'start': '1482.413', 'end': '1486.851', 'text': "a lot then, right?  I don't"}, {'start': '1483.148', 'end': '1487.451', 'text': 'care now we fought.'}, {'start': '1483.648', 'end': '1488.019', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: And then we'}, {'start': '1484.249', 'end': '1488.519', 'text': 'would get together, right, old man?'}, {'start': '1486.918', 'end': '1488.853', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Now we'}, {'start': '1487.518', 'end': '1489.453', 'text': 'see each other fighting one day, the'}, {'start': '1488.085', 'end': '1489.954', 'text': 'next day, we are'}, {'start': '1488.586', 'end': '1492.891', 'text': 'talking to each other.'}, {'start': '1488.920', 'end': '1494.893', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: That's right, that"}, {'start': '1489.520', 'end': '1495.493', 'text': "'s exactly it."}, {'start': '1490.021', 'end': '1496.194', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: right?'}, {'start': '1492.958', 'end': '1496.728', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: No.'}, {'start': '1494.960', 'end': '1496.962', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni:'}, {'start': '1495.560', 'end': '1497.529', 'text': 'adults, no, they have this habit'}, {'start': '1496.261', 'end': '1497.929', 'text': 'of fighting and not talking'}, {'start': '1496.795', 'end': '1502.934', 'text': '.'}, {'start': '1497.028', 'end': '1503.468', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: That's it."}, {'start': '1497.996', 'end': '1504.636', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Me huh?'}, {'start': '1503.001', 'end': '1509.007', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: and many'}, {'start': '1503.534', 'end': '1513.912', 'text': 'times the adults here ended up'}, {'start': '1504.135', 'end': '1513.912', 'text': 'talking to each other because of us'}, {'start': '1504.702', 'end': '1513.912', 'text': '.  of the children Who'}, {'start': '1509.073', 'end': '1513.912', 'text': 'insisted on playing together?'}, {'start': '1521.052', 'end': '1525.991', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: What to do?'}, {'start': '1539.137', 'end': '1543.908', 'text': 'In my period, now no,'}, {'start': '1539.704', 'end': '1544.475', 'text': 'now you lock yourself in the'}, {'start': '1540.338', 'end': '1553.084', 'text': 'house even if things are'}, {'start': '1543.307', 'end': '1553.084', 'text': 'getting tough, but at that time, no, and it'}, {'start': '1543.975', 'end': '1553.084', 'text': 'was a favela that people think it'}, {'start': '1545.076', 'end': '1553.084', 'text': 'is, no.'}, {'start': '1554.185', 'end': '1559.124', 'text': 'violence is in the other half of the'}, {'start': '1554.819', 'end': '1559.124', 'text': 'favela.  I mean, there is'}, {'start': '1555.486', 'end': '1559.124', 'text': 'no violence.  Of course it'}, {'start': '1556.153', 'end': '1559.124', 'text': 'does.'}, {'start': '1561.226', 'end': '1566.164', 'text': "But that wasn't it, you understand?"}, {'start': '1561.893', 'end': '1566.164', 'text': "That wasn't it.   It"}, {'start': '1568.299', 'end': '1573.171', 'text': 'is more difficult for you, for example, to'}, {'start': '1568.966', 'end': '1573.171', 'text': 'rob a house in a favela.'}, {'start': '1576.274', 'end': '1584.282', 'text': 'If you knew who the'}, {'start': '1576.841', 'end': '1584.882', 'text': "person was, it wouldn't look good in the place."}, {'start': '1579.210', 'end': '1585.316', 'text': "How come it doesn't stay that way to this day?"}, {'start': '1581.346', 'end': '1585.883', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: that'}, {'start': '1584.349', 'end': '1588.286', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: It doesn't stay that way"}, {'start': '1584.949', 'end': '1588.920', 'text': 'even today, you know?'}, {'start': '1585.383', 'end': '1593.291', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: exactly'}, {'start': '1588.353', 'end': '1593.291', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: It's good that you"}, {'start': '1588.987', 'end': '1593.291', 'text': 'steal far away.'}, {'start': '1599.431', 'end': '1604.336', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: And the'}, {'start': '1600.031', 'end': '1604.336', 'text': 'domestication process?'}, {'start': '1606.404', 'end': '1618.750', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Look, look,'}, {'start': '1606.971', 'end': '1621.419', 'text': 'look at this strange thing.'}, {'start': '1608.440', 'end': '1622.019', 'text': 'I had.  A great desire to'}, {'start': '1613.712', 'end': '1623.421', 'text': 'study.  my sister she went'}, {'start': '1618.816', 'end': '1623.855', 'text': 'to school and I'}, {'start': '1621.486', 'end': '1624.389', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: younger sister'}, {'start': '1623.488', 'end': '1628.460', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: right,'}, {'start': '1623.921', 'end': '1628.460', 'text': 'all my classmates going to'}, {'start': '1624.455', 'end': '1628.460', 'text': "school and I didn't. Do you"}, {'start': '1629.561', 'end': '1638.169', 'text': 'understand?  I really'}, {'start': '1630.028', 'end': '1642.574', 'text': 'wanted to.  and at that time'}, {'start': '1633.898', 'end': '1642.574', 'text': 'we watched the Radio, right?  And the'}, {'start': '1637.668', 'end': '1642.574', 'text': 'radio was a great source of'}, {'start': '1638.236', 'end': '1642.574', 'text': 'information.   Did'}, {'start': '1645.677', 'end': '1650.648', 'text': 'you understand?  I was a'}, {'start': '1646.210', 'end': '1651.215', 'text': 'radio listener even when I was six or seven'}, {'start': '1646.778', 'end': '1652.650', 'text': 'years old, okay?  He was a big'}, {'start': '1648.913', 'end': '1662.661', 'text': 'radio listener.'}, {'start': '1650.715', 'end': '1662.661', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Maybe a'}, {'start': '1651.282', 'end': '1662.661', 'text': 'kind of'}, {'start': '1652.717', 'end': '1662.661', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: yeah and'}, {'start': '1664.763', 'end': '1669.701', 'text': 'And he simply said, come'}, {'start': '1665.363', 'end': '1669.701', 'text': 'here, you take me to your house.'}, {'start': '1675.840', 'end': '1686.785', 'text': 'And then this person went with me and'}, {'start': '1676.407', 'end': '1686.785', 'text': 'my mother was there and she was a'}, {'start': '1676.974', 'end': '1686.785', 'text': "nun.  and I didn't know She"}, {'start': '1681.912', 'end': '1686.785', 'text': 'was a front.'}, {'start': '1693.925', 'end': '1698.830', 'text': 'Boy, what did you give me'}, {'start': '1694.458', 'end': '1698.830', 'text': '?  I can study, but'}, {'start': '1695.092', 'end': '1698.830', 'text': 'since she'}, {'start': '1700.965', 'end': '1705.837', 'text': 'was cold, she said that there are'}, {'start': '1701.532', 'end': '1705.837', 'text': 'two places, either São Paulo or'}, {'start': '1702.099', 'end': '1705.837', 'text': 'Porto Alegre.'}, {'start': '1708.973', 'end': '1715.880', 'text': "She didn't mention Benjamin"}, {'start': '1709.506', 'end': '1715.880', 'text': 'Constance right.  She mentioned'}, {'start': '1710.074', 'end': '1715.880', 'text': 'São Paulo and Porto Alegre which'}, {'start': '1711.141', 'end': '1715.880', 'text': 'were of a religious order.'}, {'start': '1719.050', 'end': '1725.022', 'text': 'Then my mother started thinking about it and'}, {'start': '1719.684', 'end': '1728.993', 'text': 'I arrived and said to my'}, {'start': '1720.251', 'end': '1728.993', 'text': 'mother, mother.  Porto Alegre is very'}, {'start': '1724.388', 'end': '1728.993', 'text': "far away, but isn't it to São Paulo,"}, {'start': '1725.089', 'end': '1728.993', 'text': 'who said that?'}, {'start': '1731.095', 'end': '1736.034', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: are'}, {'start': '1737.135', 'end': '1751.049', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: 54 54'}, {'start': '1742.106', 'end': '1751.049', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: 54 54 I don't"}, {'start': '1742.740', 'end': '1751.049', 'text': 'know you are in Rio de'}, {'start': '1743.273', 'end': '1751.049', 'text': 'Janeiro.  And it was not known.'}, {'start': '1753.184', 'end': '1758.756', 'text': 'His family and friends were unaware'}, {'start': '1753.818', 'end': '1762.160', 'text': 'of the existence of the'}, {'start': '1754.385', 'end': '1762.760', 'text': 'Benjamin Constant Institute.'}, {'start': '1758.189', 'end': '1767.165', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: Don't forget"}, {'start': '1758.823', 'end': '1767.165', 'text': 'to take the favela.'}, {'start': '1762.227', 'end': '1767.165', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: but in general'}, {'start': '1768.266', 'end': '1774.672', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Well, no, no'}, {'start': '1768.966', 'end': '1779.543', 'text': 'one at home knew and I'}, {'start': '1769.534', 'end': '1781.245', 'text': 'went to the Institute to participate.'}, {'start': '1774.205', 'end': '1781.879', 'text': "I didn't even go"}, {'start': '1774.739', 'end': '1786.251', 'text': 'inside originally.  That he is a year and a'}, {'start': '1779.610', 'end': '1786.251', 'text': 'half old.'}, {'start': '1781.312', 'end': '1786.251', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: He lives in a favela.'}, {'start': '1788.353', 'end': '1793.258', 'text': 'favela dweller who lived in Rio de'}, {'start': '1788.920', 'end': '1793.258', 'text': 'Janeiro and that there I will return'}, {'start': '1789.487', 'end': '1793.258', 'text': 'our beloved radio.'}, {'start': '1795.393', 'end': '1803.334', 'text': "I probably wouldn't but I"}, {'start': '1795.993', 'end': '1803.334', 'text': 'might have heard about the'}, {'start': '1796.527', 'end': '1803.334', 'text': "institute.  And didn't you hear?"}, {'start': '1806.404', 'end': '1808.639', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: I used to listen to'}, {'start': '1807.004', 'end': '1811.309', 'text': 'Rádio Nacional and Rádio Tupi a lot,'}, {'start': '1807.538', 'end': '1811.309', 'text': 'Rádio Mairinque Veiga were'}, {'start': '1808.139', 'end': '1811.309', 'text': 'the big stations at the time.   You'}, {'start': '1808.706', 'end': '1811.309', 'text': 'could still hear'}, {'start': '1813.444', 'end': '1820.451', 'text': 'others, right?  I have never heard of'}, {'start': '1814.011', 'end': '1821.051', 'text': 'the Benjamin'}, {'start': '1814.545', 'end': '1825.423', 'text': 'Constant Institute and the Institute in 54'}, {'start': '1817.749', 'end': '1825.423', 'text': 'completed without'}, {'start': '1820.518', 'end': '1825.423', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Precisely,'}, {'start': '1821.118', 'end': '1825.423', 'text': 'I mean.   There'}, {'start': '1826.524', 'end': '1831.462', 'text': 'was no movement on the'}, {'start': '1827.124', 'end': '1831.462', 'text': 'part of the Benjamin Institute.'}, {'start': '1834.565', 'end': '1839.470', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: When I'}, {'start': '1835.132', 'end': '1839.470', 'text': 'went there, I found out that'}, {'start': '1835.699', 'end': '1839.470', 'text': 'they have made a huge effort to'}, {'start': '1840.571', 'end': '1848.513', 'text': 'promote the campaign since'}, {'start': '1841.171', 'end': '1848.513', 'text': 'its foundation.  Do you know what'}, {'start': '1841.839', 'end': '1848.513', 'text': 'my thesis was?  but'}, {'start': '1850.615', 'end': '1855.152', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Yes, there you go,'}, {'start': '1851.182', 'end': '1855.753', 'text': "you tell your mother it's better,"}, {'start': '1851.883', 'end': '1859.557', 'text': 'São Paulo.'}, {'start': '1854.619', 'end': '1859.557', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Better São'}, {'start': '1855.219', 'end': '1859.557', 'text': 'Paulo than Porto Alegre Porto'}, {'start': '1855.820', 'end': '1859.557', 'text': 'Alegre is much further away.'}, {'start': '1862.660', 'end': '1868.666', 'text': 'And then we reached an agreement with the'}, {'start': '1863.160', 'end': '1873.605', 'text': 'nun and she expedited my'}, {'start': '1863.727', 'end': '1873.605', 'text': 'entry into the institute for'}, {'start': '1867.732', 'end': '1873.605', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: that'}, {'start': '1868.733', 'end': '1873.605', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Was that it?'}, {'start': '1882.780', 'end': '1890.688', 'text': 'My mother, my father and I travel'}, {'start': '1883.414', 'end': '1890.688', 'text': 'by bus from Viação Cometa.'}, {'start': '1885.783', 'end': '1890.688', 'text': 'right, there'}, {'start': '1892.824', 'end': '1894.926', 'text': "wasn't that bus"}, {'start': '1893.291', 'end': '1898.396', 'text': 'station in Rio yet, we left'}, {'start': '1893.858', 'end': '1902.767', 'text': 'from the Mariano Procópio bus station'}, {'start': '1894.392', 'end': '1902.767', 'text': 'which was in the square, Mauá.'}, {'start': '1897.762', 'end': '1902.767', 'text': 'We took a bus to São'}, {'start': '1898.463', 'end': '1902.767', 'text': 'Paulo.'}, {'start': '1904.869', 'end': '1922.854', 'text': 'And I arrived in São Paulo in the'}, {'start': '1905.436', 'end': '1922.854', 'text': 'morning but I left early.  And'}, {'start': '1909.907', 'end': '1922.854', 'text': 'my parents went.  Sure my'}, {'start': '1915.078', 'end': '1922.854', 'text': 'parents went to them.  and'}, {'start': '1933.998', 'end': '1938.937', 'text': 'we showed the Institute'}, {'start': '1934.565', 'end': '1938.937', 'text': 'for God to show me'}, {'start': '1935.132', 'end': '1938.937', 'text': 'the students studying there was a'}, {'start': '1935.666', 'end': '1938.937', 'text': 'comrade.'}, {'start': '1941.039', 'end': '1945.977', 'text': 'He was from Itanhandu in Minas'}, {'start': '1941.606', 'end': '1945.977', 'text': 'Gerais.'}, {'start': '1949.080', 'end': '1957.021', 'text': 'This guy became'}, {'start': '1949.547', 'end': '1957.021', 'text': 'known on J'}, {'start': '1950.047', 'end': '1957.021', 'text': "Silvestre's show when he went to"}, {'start': '1950.514', 'end': '1957.021', 'text': 'answer about it.  So'}, {'start': '1962.193', 'end': '1967.098', 'text': 'he went to Benjamin'}, {'start': '1962.660', 'end': '1967.098', 'text': 'Constante to take a course'}, {'start': '1963.227', 'end': '1967.098', 'text': 'that offered'}, {'start': '1968.199', 'end': '1977.374', 'text': 'teacher training, he spent a year'}, {'start': '1968.799', 'end': '1977.875', 'text': 'among us there that I met'}, {'start': '1969.266', 'end': '1982.146', 'text': 'again.  there in Benjamin'}, {'start': '1972.436', 'end': '1982.146', 'text': 'Constant but this 56 he is'}, {'start': '1977.441', 'end': '1982.146', 'text': 'copying my parents were'}, {'start': '1977.942', 'end': '1982.146', 'text': 'amazed.'}, {'start': '1985.249', 'end': '1990.421', 'text': 'Well, but the following happens.'}, {'start': '1985.816', 'end': '1995.193', 'text': 'My father went out to buy the'}, {'start': '1986.350', 'end': '1995.193', 'text': 'return ticket and he bought'}, {'start': '1987.017', 'end': '1995.193', 'text': 'three tickets.  Because they'}, {'start': '1990.488', 'end': '1995.193', 'text': "swore I wouldn't stay."}, {'start': '1999.330', 'end': '2006.837', 'text': 'They definitely thought'}, {'start': '1999.897', 'end': '2011.275', 'text': "I wouldn't be able to stay"}, {'start': '2000.497', 'end': '2011.275', 'text': 'away from them.  because right at the time'}, {'start': '2006.270', 'end': '2011.275', 'text': 'He asked me if you wanted to'}, {'start': '2006.904', 'end': '2011.275', 'text': 'stay here.'}, {'start': '2012.376', 'end': '2017.315', 'text': 'He cried desperately.'}, {'start': '2019.417', 'end': '2026.357', 'text': 'But I cried a lot,'}, {'start': '2019.950', 'end': '2026.357', 'text': "you know?  It wasn't just a little, I didn't"}, {'start': '2020.551', 'end': '2026.357', 'text': 'cry that deeply.'}, {'start': '2031.496', 'end': '2040.405', 'text': "And then I don't know what they"}, {'start': '2032.029', 'end': '2040.405', 'text': 'did with another one.  I stayed at the'}, {'start': '2035.700', 'end': '2040.405', 'text': 'maximum.   He'}, {'start': '2048.546', 'end': '2058.889', 'text': 'understood that the chance I had'}, {'start': '2049.113', 'end': '2059.490', 'text': 'to study was there with him'}, {'start': '2049.680', 'end': '2060.090', 'text': ".  Did you understand?  If I didn't"}, {'start': '2053.918', 'end': '2061.559', 'text': 'stay.  I would watch'}, {'start': '2058.956', 'end': '2062.126', 'text': 'my sister going to school,'}, {'start': '2059.556', 'end': '2062.693', 'text': 'my classmates going to school I'}, {'start': '2061.626', 'end': '2066.163', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Your sister'}, {'start': '2062.193', 'end': '2067.565', 'text': 'was even younger than'}, {'start': '2062.760', 'end': '2069.600', 'text': 'you.'}, {'start': '2065.630', 'end': '2070.167', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Brother, 7 years old, did'}, {'start': '2066.230', 'end': '2074.539', 'text': 'she go to school?'}, {'start': '2067.632', 'end': '2074.539', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: that'}, {'start': '2069.667', 'end': '2074.539', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: I remember'}, {'start': '2070.234', 'end': '2074.539', 'text': 'school.'}, {'start': '2075.640', 'end': '2088.619', 'text': 'Understood in 74 she started'}, {'start': '2076.173', 'end': '2088.619', 'text': 'telling the story.  I wanted it'}, {'start': '2078.842', 'end': '2088.619', 'text': 'too.  How did you want it?'}, {'start': '2091.722', 'end': '2099.664', 'text': 'So you have an idea of \u200b\u200bhow'}, {'start': '2092.389', 'end': '2099.664', 'text': 'I wanted to study.  I remember'}, {'start': '2102.767', 'end': '2110.775', 'text': 'I started wanting to spell the'}, {'start': '2103.334', 'end': '2111.308', 'text': 'first time I thought about'}, {'start': '2103.901', 'end': '2115.746', 'text': 'spelling a word.  I thought it'}, {'start': '2105.869', 'end': '2115.746', 'text': 'was just one.  And'}, {'start': '2110.841', 'end': '2115.746', 'text': 'first my first attempt'}, {'start': '2111.375', 'end': '2115.746', 'text': '.'}, {'start': '2116.847', 'end': '2125.790', 'text': 'Spelling a word was'}, {'start': '2117.380', 'end': '2125.790', 'text': 'Biotônico Fontoura.  bio'}, {'start': '2134.932', 'end': '2139.603', 'text': 'Then I started doing the'}, {'start': '2135.399', 'end': '2143.274', 'text': 'spelling exercises, but'}, {'start': '2136.066', 'end': '2147.845', 'text': 'suddenly I discovered two'}, {'start': '2139.136', 'end': '2147.845', 'text': 'different words in the same'}, {'start': '2139.670', 'end': '2147.845', 'text': "way.  Then I said it can't be"}, {'start': '2143.340', 'end': '2147.845', 'text': 'wrong.'}, {'start': '2149.947', 'end': '2155.920', 'text': 'This was me before I studied,'}, {'start': '2150.480', 'end': '2157.922', 'text': 'so you have to agree that I had to'}, {'start': '2151.148', 'end': '2158.422', 'text': "study, that's right"}, {'start': '2155.987', 'end': '2162.927', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: OK'}, {'start': '2157.989', 'end': '2162.927', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: It was a'}, {'start': '2158.489', 'end': '2162.927', 'text': 'necessity, there was no way around it.'}, {'start': '2166.030', 'end': '2173.971', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: That's it, at that"}, {'start': '2166.664', 'end': '2173.971', 'text': 'point I just went.  But it was'}, {'start': '2180.077', 'end': '2187.018', 'text': 'prehistoric and my friends'}, {'start': '2180.677', 'end': '2187.018', 'text': 'my age were going to school,'}, {'start': '2181.278', 'end': '2187.018', 'text': 'I was alone at home.'}, {'start': '2189.120', 'end': '2194.058', 'text': 'greatly'}, {'start': '2197.161', 'end': '2205.569', 'text': 'What also led me to the'}, {'start': '2197.628', 'end': '2210.107', 'text': 'first?  Although he had no'}, {'start': '2202.599', 'end': '2210.107', 'text': 'autonomy, he had no alternative.'}, {'start': '2205.135', 'end': '2210.107', 'text': 'but the first trip to the'}, {'start': '2205.635', 'end': '2210.107', 'text': 'Institute of sex with less.'}, {'start': '2211.208', 'end': '2216.113', 'text': 'In the Six and a Half Years in the middle of the'}, {'start': '2211.808', 'end': '2216.113', 'text': 'year it was exactly because of'}, {'start': '2212.342', 'end': '2216.113', 'text': 'that.'}, {'start': '2217.214', 'end': '2224.788', 'text': "It's the Sérgio da Bahia Institute,"}, {'start': '2217.781', 'end': '2229.193', 'text': 'right?  How long did you spend there'}, {'start': '2218.415', 'end': '2229.193', 'text': 'at Padre Chico?  and'}, {'start': '2224.255', 'end': '2229.193', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: I spent a year'}, {'start': '2224.855', 'end': '2229.193', 'text': 'and a half like that.'}, {'start': '2233.331', 'end': '2241.305', 'text': 'She discovered that'}, {'start': '2233.864', 'end': '2241.905', 'text': "Benjamin Constant existed.  What's up,"}, {'start': '2235.499', 'end': '2242.506', 'text': 'mom?'}, {'start': '2236.334', 'end': '2243.007', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: right there'}, {'start': '2241.372', 'end': '2246.710', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: after I'}, {'start': '2241.972', 'end': '2251.315', 'text': 'was a year away he discovered the'}, {'start': '2242.573', 'end': '2251.315', 'text': 'kiss.  Then she started to'}, {'start': '2243.073', 'end': '2251.315', 'text': 'shake.  For me to be transferred'}, {'start': '2246.777', 'end': '2251.315', 'text': 'to Benjamin.'}, {'start': '2253.417', 'end': '2261.392', 'text': 'A neighbor said.'}, {'start': '2255.419', 'end': '2261.992', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: And'}, {'start': '2259.423', 'end': '2266.364', 'text': "why? Why the hell didn't you say so before.  I did"}, {'start': '2260.090', 'end': '2266.364', 'text': "n't know either."}, {'start': '2261.459', 'end': '2266.364', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni:'}, {'start': '2262.059', 'end': '2266.364', 'text': "She probably didn't know."}, {'start': '2267.465', 'end': '2274.372', 'text': 'She let you know later, you understand?'}, {'start': '2268.032', 'end': '2274.372', 'text': 'My mother found out about Benjamin'}, {'start': '2268.599', 'end': '2274.372', 'text': 'Constance and my mother went there.   Did'}, {'start': '2275.473', 'end': '2288.486', 'text': 'you understand?  And then she started'}, {'start': '2276.006', 'end': '2288.486', 'text': 'shaking up my life?  so much so'}, {'start': '2280.711', 'end': '2288.486', 'text': 'that it was an interesting thing'}, {'start': '2281.278', 'end': '2288.486', 'text': 'in July 56. my father'}, {'start': '2291.589', 'end': '2296.494', 'text': 'went to pick me up and I already knew that'}, {'start': '2292.156', 'end': '2296.494', 'text': 'I was going to show myself the same liking'}, {'start': '2292.756', 'end': '2296.494', 'text': 'was the devil there.'}, {'start': '2297.628', 'end': '2302.533', 'text': 'Before me, people had already gone'}, {'start': '2298.228', 'end': '2302.533', 'text': 'to Benjamin Constante.'}, {'start': '2303.634', 'end': '2311.575', 'text': "I don't know.  I met"}, {'start': '2304.268', 'end': '2315.579', 'text': 'two of them, I kissed them.  another one'}, {'start': '2305.669', 'end': '2316.113', 'text': 'was before me, but was'}, {'start': '2311.074', 'end': '2320.584', 'text': 'expelled before I arrived.'}, {'start': '2314.578', 'end': '2320.584', 'text': 'Nice guy, man.'}, {'start': '2315.646', 'end': '2320.584', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: He must have'}, {'start': '2316.179', 'end': '2320.584', 'text': 'pointed it out.'}, {'start': '2324.688', 'end': '2330.628', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Oh no, then there'}, {'start': '2325.355', 'end': '2330.628', 'text': "was another case that also didn't"}, {'start': '2325.989', 'end': '2330.628', 'text': 'take it, he went there about two'}, {'start': '2326.556', 'end': '2330.628', 'text': 'months after I did.'}, {'start': '2332.730', 'end': '2337.501', 'text': "But he couldn't even stay"}, {'start': '2333.263', 'end': '2341.038', 'text': 'because it was a strange thing,'}, {'start': '2333.831', 'end': '2341.638', 'text': 'he was my friend.  He was'}, {'start': '2336.967', 'end': '2345.710', 'text': 'a series ahead of me in the'}, {'start': '2337.567', 'end': '2345.710', 'text': "party.  But I don't know"}, {'start': '2341.104', 'end': '2345.710', 'text': 'why one day his teacher.'}, {'start': '2347.812', 'end': '2353.384', 'text': 'He was, I think, two seven years'}, {'start': '2348.379', 'end': '2353.918', 'text': "ahead of me, I don't know, he came in and"}, {'start': '2348.946', 'end': '2356.120', 'text': 'said that because at Padre'}, {'start': '2352.950', 'end': '2363.827', 'text': 'Chico the first year was'}, {'start': '2353.451', 'end': '2366.830', 'text': 'late and the first year not'}, {'start': '2353.984', 'end': '2367.297', 'text': 'early was one year for each'}, {'start': '2356.186', 'end': '2367.898', 'text': 'one.  It was a year for each one.'}, {'start': '2363.894', 'end': '2368.532', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: each'}, {'start': '2366.897', 'end': '2369.032', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: there's a"}, {'start': '2367.364', 'end': '2371.802', 'text': 'teacher who takes this student and says'}, {'start': '2367.964', 'end': '2371.802', 'text': "I'm bringing this student to"}, {'start': '2368.598', 'end': '2371.802', 'text': 'stay here in the first year'}, {'start': '2369.099', 'end': '2371.802', 'text': 'behind.  He already spoke.'}, {'start': '2373.904', 'end': '2379.643', 'text': "And when he goes to like, he doesn't even"}, {'start': '2374.504', 'end': '2380.243', 'text': 'leave the ward, he'}, {'start': '2375.005', 'end': '2385.049', 'text': 'introduced himself completely and I'}, {'start': '2379.209', 'end': '2389.854', 'text': 'will call him mentally feeble'}, {'start': '2379.709', 'end': '2389.854', 'text': 'consciously he was not that'}, {'start': '2380.844', 'end': '2389.854', 'text': "person I knew.  It really wasn't"}, {'start': '2385.115', 'end': '2389.854', 'text': '.   He did'}, {'start': '2392.990', 'end': '2395.058', 'text': "n't seem like a"}, {'start': '2393.457', 'end': '2395.959', 'text': 'comrade to us, he was completely'}, {'start': '2393.991', 'end': '2401.231', 'text': 'mentally destroyed, but I'}, {'start': '2394.558', 'end': '2401.865', 'text': "don't participate in not destroying him"}, {'start': '2395.125', 'end': '2405.936', 'text': 'mentally, I think he'}, {'start': '2396.026', 'end': '2405.936', 'text': "was already, I don't know.  Now there's a"}, {'start': '2401.298', 'end': '2405.936', 'text': 'peculiarity for you, which is the'}, {'start': '2401.932', 'end': '2405.936', 'text': 'following: when I went'}, {'start': '2411.075', 'end': '2417.147', 'text': 'home, despite walking down the street'}, {'start': '2411.675', 'end': '2422.019', 'text': "and such, you didn't... My mother"}, {'start': '2412.409', 'end': '2422.019', 'text': 'would never let me dress'}, {'start': '2413.377', 'end': '2422.019', 'text': 'these things by myself, right?  So my'}, {'start': '2417.214', 'end': '2422.019', 'text': 'friend, do you know how it is?'}, {'start': '2426.123', 'end': '2434.064', 'text': 'When they tried to teach me to read and write,'}, {'start': '2426.690', 'end': '2434.064', 'text': "no one could, and I didn't learn how to"}, {'start': '2427.357', 'end': '2434.064', 'text': 'use Brainly.'}, {'start': '2437.167', 'end': '2444.074', 'text': "But don't even think about learning"}, {'start': '2437.667', 'end': '2444.074', 'text': 'that stuff, you know?  Never'}, {'start': '2438.268', 'end': '2444.074', 'text': "I don't believe.  then"}, {'start': '2450.247', 'end': '2452.682', 'text': "I don't know what that thing was,"}, {'start': '2450.881', 'end': '2460.191', 'text': 'you put a book in'}, {'start': '2451.515', 'end': '2460.191', 'text': 'front of me, you stood upside'}, {'start': '2452.149', 'end': '2460.191', 'text': 'down, head up,'}, {'start': '2452.749', 'end': '2460.191', 'text': 'whatever.  It made no difference.'}, {'start': '2462.293', 'end': '2468.232', 'text': 'I was in the classroom and there was'}, {'start': '2462.893', 'end': '2472.603', 'text': 'a really nice nun'}, {'start': '2463.494', 'end': '2473.103', 'text': ', Sister Cecília, a really nice person'}, {'start': '2467.698', 'end': '2477.208', 'text': '.  We called it'}, {'start': '2468.299', 'end': '2477.208', 'text': 'watermelon.  I was 21 years old,'}, {'start': '2472.669', 'end': '2477.208', 'text': 'man, I was a really'}, {'start': '2473.170', 'end': '2477.208', 'text': 'cool person.'}, {'start': '2479.343', 'end': '2487.284', 'text': "And then I don't know what"}, {'start': '2479.876', 'end': '2487.284', 'text': 'happened to me from'}, {'start': '2480.477', 'end': '2487.284', 'text': 'August to September.  I learned'}, {'start': '2482.512', 'end': '2487.284', 'text': 'suddenly.'}, {'start': '2489.386', 'end': '2496.293', 'text': 'No, I learned it all of a sudden.'}, {'start': '2490.020', 'end': '2496.293', 'text': "No. I'm joking, it was a him,"}, {'start': '2490.687', 'end': '2496.293', 'text': "I don't even know how to explain it to you,"}, {'start': '2491.788', 'end': '2496.293', 'text': 'how did that happen?'}, {'start': '2498.429', 'end': '2504.768', 'text': 'Okay, I learned suddenly and it was'}, {'start': '2498.996', 'end': '2512.376', 'text': 'so suddenly that the'}, {'start': '2499.596', 'end': '2512.376', 'text': 'following happened on November 19,'}, {'start': '2501.665', 'end': '2512.376', 'text': '1955. Someone told me, is your father'}, {'start': '2504.835', 'end': '2512.376', 'text': 'there?  My father'}, {'start': '2518.515', 'end': '2523.420', 'text': 'came to pick me up. You see, the idea'}, {'start': '2519.149', 'end': '2523.420', 'text': 'they had about school for'}, {'start': '2519.749', 'end': '2523.420', 'text': "me is that time, it doesn't matter, do you"}, {'start': '2520.383', 'end': '2523.420', 'text': 'understand?'}, {'start': '2525.522', 'end': '2533.464', 'text': 'And then what was going to happen with'}, {'start': '2526.122', 'end': '2533.464', 'text': 'Maurício Zé and repeating it would.'}, {'start': '2528.559', 'end': '2533.464', 'text': 'repeat'}, {'start': '2535.599', 'end': '2545.576', 'text': 'And my father managed I went'}, {'start': '2536.199', 'end': '2545.576', 'text': 'home on my birthday and'}, {'start': '2536.800', 'end': '2545.576', 'text': 'only came back in March.  When I'}, {'start': '2540.804', 'end': '2545.576', 'text': 'come back in March.'}, {'start': '2546.677', 'end': '2554.618', 'text': 'That people told me.  We'}, {'start': '2547.210', 'end': '2554.618', 'text': 'were also surprised.'}, {'start': '2549.680', 'end': '2554.618', 'text': 'because What do you'}, {'start': '2557.721', 'end': '2563.661', 'text': 'mean'}, {'start': '2558.722', 'end': '2563.661', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: What do you mean it did'}, {'start': '2559.289', 'end': '2563.661', 'text': "n't finish?"}, {'start': '2564.762', 'end': '2569.700', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: I didn't do anything"}, {'start': '2565.362', 'end': '2569.700', 'text': 'to get through it.  I took the final exam and did'}, {'start': '2565.996', 'end': '2569.700', 'text': "n't do anything."}, {'start': '2571.835', 'end': '2577.507', 'text': 'So from September to'}, {'start': '2572.469', 'end': '2578.041', 'text': "November your friend who didn't"}, {'start': '2573.069', 'end': '2582.779', 'text': 'even know what an'}, {'start': '2577.074', 'end': '2587.083', 'text': 'upside down book was, was'}, {'start': '2577.574', 'end': '2591.021', 'text': 'perfectly literate and'}, {'start': '2578.108', 'end': '2591.555', 'text': 'reading.  reading absolutely'}, {'start': '2582.846', 'end': '2595.025', 'text': 'Got it?  And then, there you have it, I'}, {'start': '2587.150', 'end': '2599.830', 'text': 'went right there.  I read what'}, {'start': '2591.088', 'end': '2599.830', 'text': 'was in that library at the'}, {'start': '2591.622', 'end': '2599.830', 'text': 'Institute, I went.  Did you understand?  I'}, {'start': '2595.092', 'end': '2599.830', 'text': 'started being a reader there.   There'}, {'start': '2602.933', 'end': '2614.911', 'text': 'is no way to explain it.'}, {'start': '2604.968', 'end': '2615.511', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: our'}, {'start': '2605.501', 'end': '2616.045', 'text': 'glorious standing on the flight Né was'}, {'start': '2614.978', 'end': '2619.883', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: In full full'}, {'start': '2615.578', 'end': '2619.883', 'text': 'full and the Institute only had'}, {'start': '2616.112', 'end': '2619.883', 'text': 'books from flcd.'}, {'start': '2620.984', 'end': '2625.956', 'text': "I don't remember Benjamin's book"}, {'start': '2621.584', 'end': '2625.956', 'text': 'being there in my'}, {'start': '2622.118', 'end': '2625.956', 'text': "time, I don't remember.   Did"}, {'start': '2628.058', 'end': '2632.896', 'text': 'you understand?  And then I started reading'}, {'start': '2628.658', 'end': '2634.031', 'text': "children's books there and"}, {'start': '2629.225', 'end': '2639.003', 'text': 'so on. In fact, one day my'}, {'start': '2632.463', 'end': '2639.003', 'text': 'mother went there, I was already in the'}, {'start': '2632.963', 'end': '2639.003', 'text': 'first year and I read a'}, {'start': '2634.098', 'end': '2639.003', 'text': 'lot.'}, {'start': '2646.110', 'end': '2654.051', 'text': "And I read well and I read well, I wasn't"}, {'start': '2646.744', 'end': '2654.051', 'text': 'going to Tati, my dear, I took'}, {'start': '2647.378', 'end': '2654.051', 'text': 'the Braille in my hand and saw as'}, {'start': '2649.380', 'end': '2654.051', 'text': 'always.'}, {'start': '2658.155', 'end': '2668.132', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: What about you guys?'}, {'start': '2663.126', 'end': '2668.132', 'text': 'Your mother finds out.'}, {'start': '2669.233', 'end': '2674.138', 'text': 'that is, it is informed of the'}, {'start': '2669.733', 'end': '2674.138', 'text': 'existence of the Benjamin'}, {'start': '2670.400', 'end': '2674.138', 'text': 'Constant Institute.'}, {'start': '2676.240', 'end': '2681.178', 'text': 'That there was already 50 years old and'}, {'start': '2676.840', 'end': '2681.178', 'text': 'some broke.'}, {'start': '2682.279', 'end': '2688.851', 'text': 'Before that, you had'}, {'start': '2682.913', 'end': '2689.452', 'text': 'contact with the Brazilian'}, {'start': '2683.513', 'end': '2691.254', 'text': 'sex magazine, right?'}, {'start': '2688.318', 'end': '2691.888', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: What do you mean by having'}, {'start': '2688.918', 'end': '2694.257', 'text': 'contact with what you'}, {'start': '2689.519', 'end': '2694.958', 'text': 'mean by that?'}, {'start': '2691.321', 'end': '2699.296', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Not before'}, {'start': '2691.955', 'end': '2699.863', 'text': 'before'}, {'start': '2694.324', 'end': '2700.430', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: After no no'}, {'start': '2695.024', 'end': '2701.098', 'text': 'no.'}, {'start': '2699.363', 'end': '2706.236', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: It didn't"}, {'start': '2699.930', 'end': '2706.236', 'text': 'circulate then, that is, the'}, {'start': '2700.497', 'end': '2706.236', 'text': "institutes didn't"}, {'start': '2701.298', 'end': '2706.236', 'text': 'establish exchanges.'}, {'start': '2707.371', 'end': '2712.276', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: I was very'}, {'start': '2707.904', 'end': '2712.276', 'text': "young, I can't say that"}, {'start': '2708.538', 'end': '2712.276', 'text': "because of the children's schedule."}, {'start': '2713.377', 'end': '2720.350', 'text': "And of course I don't and she is RBC"}, {'start': '2714.044', 'end': '2720.917', 'text': "at the time, right, but I don't"}, {'start': '2714.611', 'end': '2721.351', 'text': 'remember her there in Padre Chico.'}, {'start': '2720.417', 'end': '2724.654', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: It comes to'}, {'start': '2720.984', 'end': '2725.288', 'text': 'me, for example very'}, {'start': '2721.418', 'end': '2729.860', 'text': 'early on, I was 12 years old'}, {'start': '2721.985', 'end': '2734.431', 'text': 'when the RPC arrived, in fact,'}, {'start': '2724.721', 'end': '2734.431', 'text': "I hadn't even turned 12"}, {'start': '2725.355', 'end': '2734.431', 'text': 'yet.  she comes into my hands'}, {'start': '2729.926', 'end': '2734.431', 'text': 'like this, almost'}, {'start': '2736.533', 'end': '2742.506', 'text': 'Considering what I was'}, {'start': '2737.066', 'end': '2746.443', 'text': 'primary was still?  I had'}, {'start': '2741.638', 'end': '2746.443', 'text': 'just paid my'}, {'start': '2742.172', 'end': '2746.443', 'text': 'primary insurance late,'}, {'start': '2742.572', 'end': '2746.443', 'text': 'naturally, right?'}, {'start': '2747.544', 'end': '2755.786', 'text': 'So although I was older'}, {'start': '2748.178', 'end': '2756.386', 'text': "than you, I wasn't"}, {'start': '2748.812', 'end': '2760.491', 'text': "that old, in short, I wasn't"}, {'start': '2750.747', 'end': '2760.491', 'text': 'mature.  The RPC came into'}, {'start': '2755.853', 'end': '2760.491', 'text': 'my hands more or less when'}, {'start': '2764.628', 'end': '2769.533', 'text': "I was in the third year, that's why"}, {'start': '2765.228', 'end': '2769.533', 'text': 'I asked if'}, {'start': '2765.762', 'end': '2769.533', 'text': 'on this road of yours,'}, {'start': '2772.669', 'end': '2777.574', 'text': 'on this one of yours, you lived at the'}, {'start': '2773.169', 'end': '2777.574', 'text': 'beginning of your journey'}, {'start': '2773.770', 'end': '2777.574', 'text': 'as a reader and reader,'}, {'start': '2778.709', 'end': '2787.618', 'text': 'because the books that you'}, {'start': '2779.376', 'end': '2787.618', 'text': 'devour in the library of the planet'}, {'start': '2779.977', 'end': '2787.618', 'text': 'of Padre Chico'}, {'start': '2782.913', 'end': '2787.618', 'text': "weren't necessarily me."}, {'start': '2788.752', 'end': '2793.657', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: What were those'}, {'start': '2789.319', 'end': '2793.657', 'text': 'I was to you?'}, {'start': '2795.759', 'end': '2800.697', 'text': 'Especially because the library was only going to'}, {'start': '2796.359', 'end': '2800.697', 'text': 'lend me childish money.'}, {'start': '2801.798', 'end': '2806.703', 'text': 'From Father Chico because the problem'}, {'start': '2802.398', 'end': '2806.703', 'text': 'is the following.'}, {'start': '2808.805', 'end': '2813.743', 'text': 'Benjamin Constant I would tell'}, {'start': '2809.338', 'end': '2814.277', 'text': 'you that the priest was absolutely'}, {'start': '2810.006', 'end': '2818.749', 'text': 'right to consider Benjamin'}, {'start': '2810.606', 'end': '2818.749', 'text': 'Constant a path of perdition.'}, {'start': '2813.810', 'end': '2818.749', 'text': "We'll get there, right?  I"}, {'start': '2814.343', 'end': '2818.749', 'text': 'think.'}, {'start': '2819.850', 'end': '2824.755', 'text': 'Because here you lived under'}, {'start': '2820.550', 'end': '2824.755', 'text': 'control.'}, {'start': '2830.927', 'end': '2840.871', 'text': "Here's the thing, if you didn't"}, {'start': '2831.594', 'end': '2840.871', 'text': "defend yourself, you don't know.  You"}, {'start': '2836.066', 'end': '2840.871', 'text': "can't, Chico, you were protected the"}, {'start': '2836.700', 'end': '2840.871', 'text': 'whole time, understand?'}, {'start': '2844.007', 'end': '2848.879', 'text': "That's what I can tell you."}, {'start': '2851.014', 'end': '2855.118', 'text': 'At first it was very heavy for me'}, {'start': '2851.581', 'end': '2855.952', 'text': '.'}, {'start': '2854.017', 'end': '2856.452', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: You were'}, {'start': '2854.651', 'end': '2860.958', 'text': 'protected and at the same time'}, {'start': '2855.184', 'end': '2860.958', 'text': 'monitored.'}, {'start': '2856.019', 'end': '2860.958', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: so'}, {'start': '2856.519', 'end': '2860.958', 'text': 'completely'}, {'start': '2865.062', 'end': '2870.000', 'text': 'Absolute, totally'}, {'start': '2865.462', 'end': '2870.000', 'text': 'controlled, you understand?'}, {'start': '2871.101', 'end': '2875.973', 'text': "And as a child, I didn't even think about"}, {'start': '2871.735', 'end': '2875.973', 'text': 'it, you know?'}, {'start': '2879.109', 'end': '2881.444', 'text': "teenagers and such, I don't know"}, {'start': '2879.743', 'end': '2886.049', 'text': 'how'}, {'start': '2880.276', 'end': '2886.716', 'text': 'their behavior was not tactical'}, {'start': '2880.877', 'end': '2890.319', 'text': 'at the time, but control but I'}, {'start': '2881.511', 'end': '2892.522', 'text': 'knew I had control.'}, {'start': '2886.116', 'end': '2897.127', 'text': 'First you had to get the'}, {'start': '2886.783', 'end': '2897.127', 'text': 'following.  Catholic very'}, {'start': '2890.386', 'end': '2897.127', 'text': 'Catholic Did you have mass every'}, {'start': '2892.588', 'end': '2897.127', 'text': 'day?'}, {'start': '2898.228', 'end': '2906.603', 'text': 'When I say every day, I'}, {'start': '2898.795', 'end': '2911.141', 'text': 'mean from Sunday to'}, {'start': '2899.262', 'end': '2911.141', 'text': "Sunday, okay?  Since it's on"}, {'start': '2902.432', 'end': '2911.141', 'text': 'Sunday.  Did you still have mass in the'}, {'start': '2906.669', 'end': '2911.141', 'text': 'morning?'}, {'start': '2912.242', 'end': '2919.182', 'text': 'Religious activities in the month'}, {'start': '2912.876', 'end': '2919.182', 'text': 'of May, I want the month of Mary,'}, {'start': '2913.610', 'end': '2919.182', 'text': 'were fantastic.'}, {'start': '2927.357', 'end': '2940.237', 'text': "No, I'll be 14 on my 14th birthday,"}, {'start': '2927.991', 'end': '2940.237', 'text': 'I left the cheering squad then.'}, {'start': '2930.260', 'end': '2940.237', 'text': "I couldn't take it anymore."}, {'start': '2935.365', 'end': '2940.237', 'text': 'so there'}, {'start': '2942.339', 'end': '2947.277', 'text': 'was'}, {'start': '2949.379', 'end': '2964.394', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: That's"}, {'start': '2949.979', 'end': '2964.394', 'text': 'accounts accounts.  53 accounts'}, {'start': '2959.456', 'end': '2964.394', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: I don't know, there"}, {'start': '2959.989', 'end': '2964.394', 'text': 'was a we there.   I'}, {'start': '2970.500', 'end': '2975.405', 'text': "don't know what, I knew from what"}, {'start': '2971.200', 'end': '2975.405', 'text': 'I heard.  I knew it by heart and'}, {'start': '2971.768', 'end': '2975.405', 'text': 'when I went to Benjamin.'}, {'start': '2977.507', 'end': '2983.280', 'text': 'And someone wanted someone who'}, {'start': '2978.007', 'end': '2983.847', 'text': "knew I was shy and didn't"}, {'start': '2978.608', 'end': '2987.451', 'text': 'say I knew.  So'}, {'start': '2982.746', 'end': '2987.451', 'text': "Benjamin Constant's text was to"}, {'start': '2983.346', 'end': '2987.451', 'text': 'pray, Lord, pray for us.'}, {'start': '2989.553', 'end': '2994.491', 'text': 'But I would have gained fame at the'}, {'start': '2990.053', 'end': '2994.491', 'text': 'Institute if you said I'}, {'start': '2990.620', 'end': '2994.491', 'text': 'know.'}, {'start': '2995.592', 'end': '3000.497', 'text': 'I knew which one because I heard it'}, {'start': '2996.192', 'end': '3000.497', 'text': 'every day.'}, {'start': '3001.631', 'end': '3007.703', 'text': "Nowadays I don't even know how to"}, {'start': '3002.198', 'end': '3016.613', 'text': 'learn the phrase.'}, {'start': '3006.636', 'end': '3017.113', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: No, the'}, {'start': '3007.169', 'end': '3017.681', 'text': 'Bahia Sex Institute had'}, {'start': '3007.770', 'end': '3021.618', 'text': 'a period.  With that line.'}, {'start': '3016.680', 'end': '3021.618', 'text': 'Including my second'}, {'start': '3017.180', 'end': '3021.618', 'text': 'time there in the fifth and sixth'}, {'start': '3017.747', 'end': '3021.618', 'text': 'grades.'}, {'start': '3022.719', 'end': '3034.964', 'text': 'the way to escape this'}, {'start': '3023.186', 'end': '3035.531', 'text': 'mainly from the month of May'}, {'start': '3023.820', 'end': '3039.002', 'text': 'was to delay the return.  from'}, {'start': '3030.793', 'end': '3043.673', 'text': 'external school Who studied in the'}, {'start': '3035.031', 'end': '3043.673', 'text': 'afternoon and managed to do this,'}, {'start': '3035.598', 'end': '3043.673', 'text': 'right?  I could.  But on Saturday and'}, {'start': '3039.069', 'end': '3043.673', 'text': 'Sunday.'}, {'start': '3054.851', 'end': '3064.828', 'text': 'So, there you are informed.'}, {'start': '3059.823', 'end': '3064.828', 'text': 'Are your parents informed about the'}, {'start': '3060.457', 'end': '3064.828', 'text': 'IBC?'}, {'start': '3070.934', 'end': '3077.841', 'text': 'of the guys closest transfer'}, {'start': '3072.969', 'end': '3077.841', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Exactly'}, {'start': '3073.502', 'end': '3077.841', 'text': 'my mother.'}, {'start': '3080.944', 'end': '3085.882', 'text': 'My mother would go there'}, {'start': '3081.411', 'end': '3085.882', 'text': 'privately every three'}, {'start': '3082.045', 'end': '3085.882', 'text': 'months, she would visit me.'}, {'start': '3087.984', 'end': '3093.924', 'text': 'Well, she always left on a Saturday,'}, {'start': '3088.551', 'end': '3093.924', 'text': 'came back on Saturday and arrived on'}, {'start': '3089.118', 'end': '3093.924', 'text': 'Sunday morning.   He would'}, {'start': '3095.025', 'end': '3106.235', 'text': 'spend the day with me and then'}, {'start': '3095.525', 'end': '3111.007', 'text': "return to Rio, but he didn't"}, {'start': '3096.092', 'end': '3111.007', 'text': 'tell me that'}, {'start': '3098.261', 'end': '3111.007', 'text': 'I was going.  Did you understand?  She eats at'}, {'start': '3106.302', 'end': '3111.007', 'text': 'any time.'}, {'start': '3116.112', 'end': '3121.051', 'text': 'I passed.'}, {'start': '3122.152', 'end': '3127.057', 'text': '55 all right 56'}, {'start': '3130.193', 'end': '3135.098', 'text': 'And it was already on July 16th.   It'}, {'start': '3136.199', 'end': '3140.971', 'text': "wasn't his at the beginning of July"}, {'start': '3136.833', 'end': '3141.571', 'text': 'he went to get it on Sunday it was a'}, {'start': '3137.366', 'end': '3142.672', 'text': 'Sunday or so.  I think'}, {'start': '3140.437', 'end': '3146.676', 'text': "my dad, I don't know, he left it to"}, {'start': '3141.037', 'end': '3148.244', 'text': 'buy the ticket at the last minute'}, {'start': '3142.172', 'end': '3153.216', 'text': ', man, I spent about 8 hours.'}, {'start': '3146.209', 'end': '3153.216', 'text': 'There at the bus station waiting for the'}, {'start': '3146.743', 'end': '3153.216', 'text': 'bus to go home.    Did'}, {'start': '3148.311', 'end': '3153.216', 'text': 'you understand?'}, {'start': '3154.317', 'end': '3163.260', 'text': 'And then I was so full no.'}, {'start': '3156.353', 'end': '3163.260', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Okay, but'}, {'start': '3158.355', 'end': '3163.260', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: support from'}, {'start': '3158.922', 'end': '3163.260', 'text': 'August'}, {'start': '3169.399', 'end': '3177.473', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: almost the'}, {'start': '3169.932', 'end': '3178.074', 'text': "brute didn't even open"}, {'start': '3170.500', 'end': '3182.878', 'text': 'because you already knew, but'}, {'start': '3172.535', 'end': '3188.384', 'text': 'can you remember what?  It could have'}, {'start': '3177.540', 'end': '3189.018', 'text': "passed, now it's all new."}, {'start': '3182.378', 'end': '3193.423', 'text': 'I will leave a space that I already'}, {'start': '3182.945', 'end': '3193.423', 'text': 'dominate.  right'}, {'start': '3188.451', 'end': '3193.423', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: It's like this."}, {'start': '3197.527', 'end': '3208.471', 'text': '10 actually August 10, 56'}, {'start': '3201.497', 'end': '3208.471', 'text': 'My mother took me there.  and it'}, {'start': '3217.614', 'end': '3222.519', 'text': 'was the great Professor Malcher who was the'}, {'start': '3218.181', 'end': '3222.519', 'text': 'mathematics teacher at the school.   Have'}, {'start': '3223.620', 'end': '3228.558', 'text': 'you liked me yet?  Because I was going'}, {'start': '3224.187', 'end': '3228.558', 'text': 'for top marks in'}, {'start': '3224.621', 'end': '3228.558', 'text': 'math.'}, {'start': '3229.659', 'end': '3234.564', 'text': 'Yes, he started to like me'}, {'start': '3230.259', 'end': '3234.564', 'text': 'from then on, you know?'}, {'start': '3237.701', 'end': '3242.605', 'text': 'And my mother, I went to the'}, {'start': '3238.268', 'end': '3247.611', 'text': 'cafeteria, had lunch, my mother'}, {'start': '3238.868', 'end': '3247.611', 'text': 'went with me and said goodbye to me,'}, {'start': '3240.937', 'end': '3247.611', 'text': 'left and left me there.    Did'}, {'start': '3242.672', 'end': '3247.611', 'text': 'you understand?'}, {'start': '3254.784', 'end': '3261.691', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: No.'}, {'start': '3256.786', 'end': '3261.691', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Firstly, the'}, {'start': '3257.386', 'end': '3261.691', 'text': 'practice is'}, {'start': '3262.826', 'end': '3267.731', 'text': 'external at the Institute at that'}, {'start': '3263.359', 'end': '3267.731', 'text': 'time it was a minimal thing.'}, {'start': '3268.832', 'end': '3275.371', 'text': "I think my mother wouldn't have been"}, {'start': '3269.499', 'end': '3279.776', 'text': 'able to afford me being an'}, {'start': '3270.133', 'end': '3284.781', 'text': 'extern.  Got it?'}, {'start': '3274.838', 'end': '3284.781', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: logistics costs'}, {'start': '3279.843', 'end': '3284.781', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni:'}, {'start': '3287.884', 'end': '3299.829', 'text': 'I am external, you understand?  And then'}, {'start': '3294.857', 'end': '3299.829', 'text': 'when I come in I pull over.'}, {'start': '3301.965', 'end': '3306.836', 'text': 'little one now'}, {'start': '3312.008', 'end': '3320.950', 'text': 'You you left the classroom?'}, {'start': '3312.708', 'end': '3320.950', 'text': 'No one was behind you.'}, {'start': '3316.012', 'end': '3320.950', 'text': 'He wants you behind him.   Do'}, {'start': '3324.053', 'end': '3326.155', 'text': 'you understand?  And it was that'}, {'start': '3324.586', 'end': '3326.689', 'text': 'huge thing, it even took me a'}, {'start': '3325.154', 'end': '3331.194', 'text': 'while to learn how to walk around the'}, {'start': '3325.654', 'end': '3331.861', 'text': 'Institute because'}, {'start': '3326.221', 'end': '3335.999', 'text': 'we used to say the'}, {'start': '3326.755', 'end': '3335.999', 'text': 'following about the Institute, man.  The blind man who'}, {'start': '3331.260', 'end': '3335.999', 'text': 'walks well within the same heart'}, {'start': '3331.928', 'end': '3335.999', 'text': 'walks well anywhere.'}, {'start': '3340.103', 'end': '3345.008', 'text': 'that thing there is'}, {'start': '3350.146', 'end': '3357.087', 'text': 'strange to the Courtyard, for'}, {'start': '3350.679', 'end': '3357.087', 'text': 'example, pillars like that so'}, {'start': '3351.280', 'end': '3357.087', 'text': 'you can hit your head on all of'}, {'start': '3351.947', 'end': '3357.087', 'text': 'them.  Did you understand?'}, {'start': '3365.195', 'end': '3370.133', 'text': 'And the Gramados are like that,'}, {'start': '3365.662', 'end': '3370.133', 'text': 'uncovered, right?  There was'}, {'start': '3366.296', 'end': '3370.133', 'text': "n't much reference to"}, {'start': '3366.930', 'end': '3370.133', 'text': 'walk around.'}, {'start': '3376.272', 'end': '3382.545', 'text': 'For example, did you leave your'}, {'start': '3376.872', 'end': '3386.749', 'text': 'classroom?  There was no'}, {'start': '3381.477', 'end': '3390.553', 'text': 'strategy for someone to'}, {'start': '3381.977', 'end': '3391.087', 'text': 'control you to study.'}, {'start': '3386.249', 'end': '3392.255', 'text': 'exercises, no one was on'}, {'start': '3386.816', 'end': '3395.825', 'text': 'top of you.  For you to do'}, {'start': '3390.620', 'end': '3404.300', 'text': 'exercises to take with you the'}, {'start': '3391.154', 'end': '3404.300', 'text': 'next day, there was nothing like that'}, {'start': '3392.322', 'end': '3404.300', 'text': '.  Sometimes they tried and'}, {'start': '3395.891', 'end': '3404.300', 'text': 'failed.  So'}, {'start': '3408.371', 'end': '3410.873', 'text': 'I was used to being'}, {'start': '3408.871', 'end': '3416.478', 'text': 'controlled, but I protected myself.'}, {'start': '3409.405', 'end': '3421.317', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: marking'}, {'start': '3410.373', 'end': '3421.317', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: And that'}, {'start': '3410.940', 'end': '3421.317', 'text': 'was a jungle.  It was heaven.  I was on my'}, {'start': '3416.545', 'end': '3421.317', 'text': 'own, you know?'}, {'start': '3422.418', 'end': '3430.927', 'text': 'Not completely different,'}, {'start': '3423.085', 'end': '3435.432', 'text': 'no.  And there was no transition.'}, {'start': '3429.459', 'end': '3435.432', 'text': 'I went in there and that was it.'}, {'start': '3430.460', 'end': '3435.432', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: He came in and that'}, {'start': '3430.993', 'end': '3435.432', 'text': 'was it.'}, {'start': '3440.570', 'end': '3448.544', 'text': 'This 56 the IPC never had a'}, {'start': '3441.103', 'end': '3453.549', 'text': 'policy for'}, {'start': '3441.637', 'end': '3454.083', 'text': 'external schools, right?  I mean you'}, {'start': '3443.806', 'end': '3454.683', 'text': 'live at the institute.  and do'}, {'start': '3448.611', 'end': '3455.284', 'text': 'not have.'}, {'start': '3453.616', 'end': '3456.852', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: There were a'}, {'start': '3454.149', 'end': '3459.889', 'text': 'few external people, but'}, {'start': '3454.750', 'end': '3462.592', 'text': 'they were practically'}, {'start': '3455.351', 'end': '3463.259', 'text': 'there with us, there were'}, {'start': '3456.919', 'end': '3467.597', 'text': "very few.  Why isn't this"}, {'start': '3459.956', 'end': '3467.597', 'text': '?'}, {'start': '3462.659', 'end': '3467.597', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: no no but'}, {'start': '3468.698', 'end': '3473.570', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: The Institute at the'}, {'start': '3469.298', 'end': '3473.570', 'text': 'time I joined already had'}, {'start': '3469.832', 'end': '3473.570', 'text': 'more than 200 students.   It'}, {'start': '3474.671', 'end': '3482.612', 'text': "'s not a fantastic thing.  Do you"}, {'start': '3475.371', 'end': '3482.612', 'text': 'understand?  He did everything,'}, {'start': '3475.972', 'end': '3482.612', 'text': 'everything.  It serves everything, how'}, {'start': '3478.107', 'end': '3482.612', 'text': 'old is it?'}, {'start': '3486.716', 'end': '3489.685', 'text': 'we lived together news, the'}, {'start': '3487.249', 'end': '3490.285', 'text': 'only age division was the'}, {'start': '3487.783', 'end': '3494.691', 'text': 'following you had a'}, {'start': '3488.451', 'end': '3494.691', 'text': 'kindergarten.  Then the children'}, {'start': '3489.752', 'end': '3494.691', 'text': 'would be protected in the garden,'}, {'start': '3490.352', 'end': '3494.691', 'text': 'right?'}, {'start': '3496.793', 'end': '3501.731', 'text': 'Then you had the'}, {'start': '3497.226', 'end': '3501.731', 'text': 'middleman who also'}, {'start': '3497.694', 'end': '3501.731', 'text': 'protected themselves.'}, {'start': '3502.832', 'end': '3510.773', 'text': 'But when I got in I really'}, {'start': '3503.399', 'end': '3511.774', 'text': "liked it, I didn't go for it, I was already"}, {'start': '3504.066', 'end': '3512.408', 'text': 'thrown.  up there,'}, {'start': '3507.169', 'end': '3516.746', 'text': 'because I was already nine years old.    Did'}, {'start': '3510.840', 'end': '3516.746', 'text': 'you understand?'}, {'start': '3511.841', 'end': '3516.746', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: when you'}, {'start': '3522.885', 'end': '3525.821', 'text': 'entered in 56 there was still the'}, {'start': '3523.385', 'end': '3530.860', 'text': 'system of first to fifth'}, {'start': '3523.952', 'end': '3535.832', 'text': 'year then admission to the gymnasium'}, {'start': '3524.553', 'end': '3535.832', 'text': 'after the correct gymnasium.'}, {'start': '3525.888', 'end': '3535.832', 'text': 'ready all'}, {'start': '3530.927', 'end': '3535.832', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: all all'}, {'start': '3538.968', 'end': '3548.143', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Is that'}, {'start': '3539.535', 'end': '3548.811', 'text': 'why?'}, {'start': '3539.969', 'end': '3551.247', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: was there any follow-up'}, {'start': '3540.569', 'end': '3555.919', 'text': 'from the professor?  When you'}, {'start': '3548.210', 'end': '3555.919', 'text': 'move to fifth grade you already'}, {'start': '3548.878', 'end': '3555.919', 'text': 'have three.  And that they treated you'}, {'start': '3551.314', 'end': '3555.919', 'text': 'differently.'}, {'start': '3558.054', 'end': '3562.959', 'text': 'the treatment changed'}, {'start': '3558.454', 'end': '3562.959', 'text': 'completely, you were already'}, {'start': '3559.021', 'end': '3562.959', 'text': 'treated like an adult, I'}, {'start': '3559.622', 'end': '3562.959', 'text': "wasn't."}, {'start': '3566.062', 'end': '3574.503', 'text': 'Most of my classmates'}, {'start': '3566.629', 'end': '3575.004', 'text': 'were already 18 or 20 years old, when I'}, {'start': '3567.196', 'end': '3575.538', 'text': 'was 13. Okay, I was 13 years old.'}, {'start': '3574.003', 'end': '3580.009', 'text': 'So I felt very sorry to do'}, {'start': '3574.570', 'end': '3580.009', 'text': 'when.'}, {'start': '3575.071', 'end': '3580.009', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Here at the'}, {'start': '3575.604', 'end': '3580.009', 'text': 'time.'}, {'start': '3582.111', 'end': '3585.214', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: I passed the'}, {'start': '3582.678', 'end': '3590.053', 'text': 'fifth year and when I met the'}, {'start': '3583.278', 'end': '3590.053', 'text': 'three teachers, I already felt'}, {'start': '3583.879', 'end': '3590.053', 'text': 'a big difference.  Did you understand?   Did'}, {'start': '3596.159', 'end': '3602.764', 'text': "you understand?  I didn't have much of a"}, {'start': '3596.659', 'end': '3606.435', 'text': 'problem, I had another'}, {'start': '3597.160', 'end': '3610.539', 'text': 'detail that helped me a lot.'}, {'start': '3602.231', 'end': '3611.106', 'text': 'When I was in fifth grade I was'}, {'start': '3602.831', 'end': '3614.376', 'text': "serious.  I was a student, let's"}, {'start': '3606.502', 'end': '3615.010', 'text': 'say.  That whole thing is not considered a'}, {'start': '3610.606', 'end': '3619.182', 'text': 'student, no, it'}, {'start': '3611.173', 'end': '3619.182', 'text': 'had been dictated.  You'}, {'start': '3614.443', 'end': '3619.182', 'text': 'understand, there is no highlight at all.'}, {'start': '3621.284', 'end': '3628.224', 'text': 'And here it is serious, in horror'}, {'start': '3621.851', 'end': '3628.224', 'text': 'everyone was afraid of the fifth'}, {'start': '3622.351', 'end': '3628.224', 'text': 'series.  all of us'}, {'start': '3630.326', 'end': '3635.231', 'text': 'That here is right the following was'}, {'start': '3630.926', 'end': '3635.231', 'text': 'very difficult for you to pass without'}, {'start': '3631.560', 'end': '3635.231', 'text': 'repeating.'}, {'start': '3637.366', 'end': '3653.282', 'text': 'Those Brave Ones passed by on'}, {'start': '3637.933', 'end': '3653.282', 'text': 'Thursday.  The following happened to me'}, {'start': '3640.669', 'end': '3653.282', 'text': '.  And on the first'}, {'start': '3645.674', 'end': '3653.282', 'text': 'math test.  I got 10. The'}, {'start': '3654.383', 'end': '3659.355', 'text': 'only 10 and out of more than 40 students the'}, {'start': '3654.950', 'end': '3659.355', 'text': 'only one. Then'}, {'start': '3661.457', 'end': '3671.434', 'text': 'I started to think that I'}, {'start': '3662.057', 'end': '3671.968', 'text': 'was capable and I also believed'}, {'start': '3662.658', 'end': '3676.406', 'text': 'that I was.  So what'}, {'start': '3666.729', 'end': '3676.406', 'text': 'happened?  I became.'}, {'start': '3671.501', 'end': '3676.406', 'text': 'advisor of my math class,'}, {'start': '3681.511', 'end': '3685.681', 'text': 'we had to solve problems, right? I'}, {'start': '3682.111', 'end': '3686.215', 'text': 'took the math book and'}, {'start': '3682.712', 'end': '3686.749', 'text': 'solved the problems, but the'}, {'start': '3683.246', 'end': '3691.654', 'text': 'problems ended.  There was no'}, {'start': '3685.748', 'end': '3692.188', 'text': 'more problem and I started to'}, {'start': '3686.282', 'end': '3695.557', 'text': 'formulate the problems that the'}, {'start': '3686.816', 'end': '3696.158', 'text': 'class solved.  In other words, from'}, {'start': '3691.720', 'end': '3696.725', 'text': 'this point on in the series I was'}, {'start': '3692.254', 'end': '3700.529', 'text': 'considered a brilliant student.  In'}, {'start': '3695.624', 'end': '3704.567', 'text': 'other words, the one that seriously'}, {'start': '3696.225', 'end': '3709.505', 'text': 'scared me of everyone and it'}, {'start': '3696.792', 'end': '3709.505', 'text': 'was the opposite for me, you know?'}, {'start': '3700.596', 'end': '3709.505', 'text': 'The opposite happened to me.'}, {'start': '3704.634', 'end': '3709.505', 'text': "She says I didn't find it."}, {'start': '3713.643', 'end': '3718.581', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: an'}, {'start': '3714.110', 'end': '3718.581', 'text': 'observation for the standards even'}, {'start': '3714.810', 'end': '3718.581', 'text': 'for the LDB standards.'}, {'start': '3722.718', 'end': '3729.658', 'text': 'And from the educational laws of the'}, {'start': '3723.318', 'end': '3730.292', 'text': '50s that were changed'}, {'start': '3723.885', 'end': '3730.859', 'text': 'in the 60s, 13 years in high school was'}, {'start': '3724.987', 'end': '3731.694', 'text': 'already too late.'}, {'start': '3729.725', 'end': '3732.328', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: It's because, look,"}, {'start': '3730.359', 'end': '3734.697', 'text': 'when I started, I'}, {'start': '3730.926', 'end': '3735.264', 'text': 'started.'}, {'start': '3731.761', 'end': '3738.768', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: No, I don't know, that's"}, {'start': '3732.395', 'end': '3739.368', 'text': 'it.'}, {'start': '3734.764', 'end': '3741.971', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: An eight year'}, {'start': '3735.331', 'end': '3746.709', 'text': 'Not exactly for us.  but'}, {'start': '3738.834', 'end': '3747.309', 'text': 'inside Benjamin Constant it'}, {'start': '3739.435', 'end': '3751.714', 'text': "wasn't.  Because because the"}, {'start': '3742.038', 'end': '3751.714', 'text': 'students.'}, {'start': '3746.776', 'end': '3751.714', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Belatedly exact exact'}, {'start': '3747.376', 'end': '3751.714', 'text': '.'}, {'start': '3753.816', 'end': '3761.791', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Why?'}, {'start': '3754.383', 'end': '3762.391', 'text': 'Because even families,'}, {'start': '3754.850', 'end': '3762.792', 'text': 'you know?  That was it, of course, when I was'}, {'start': '3755.451', 'end': '3767.764', 'text': "13 I already owed it.    Let's"}, {'start': '3761.858', 'end': '3767.764', 'text': 'say about us a long time ago'}, {'start': '3762.458', 'end': '3767.764', 'text': '.'}, {'start': '3762.859', 'end': '3767.764', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: but'}, {'start': '3768.865', 'end': '3774.470', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: When I go'}, {'start': '3769.465', 'end': '3781.844', 'text': 'when I go to high school'}, {'start': '3769.999', 'end': '3781.844', 'text': 'I was 18. 18 years old'}, {'start': '3774.036', 'end': '3781.844', 'text': 'when you start'}, {'start': '3774.537', 'end': '3781.844', 'text': 'college.  Did you understand?'}, {'start': '3783.946', 'end': '3785.681', 'text': 'In other words, I was the youngest at'}, {'start': '3784.413', 'end': '3786.248', 'text': "Benjamin's, but when I"}, {'start': '3784.980', 'end': '3789.886', 'text': 'went to high school I was'}, {'start': '3785.514', 'end': '3789.886', 'text': 'older.'}, {'start': '3785.747', 'end': '3789.886', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: older'}, {'start': '3790.987', 'end': '3793.356', 'text': 'What is it that I call'}, {'start': '3791.520', 'end': '3794.023', 'text': 'attention to, we blind people suffer from this'}, {'start': '3792.154', 'end': '3797.894', 'text': 'lag.'}, {'start': '3792.989', 'end': '3797.894', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: yes'}, {'start': '3793.422', 'end': '3797.894', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: So you'}, {'start': '3801.030', 'end': '3807.336', 'text': 'I entered high school with 20'}, {'start': '3801.630', 'end': '3811.941', 'text': 'completed.  In fact, when I'}, {'start': '3806.235', 'end': '3811.941', 'text': 'turned 21, the year I would have turned 22,'}, {'start': '3806.835', 'end': '3811.941', 'text': 'I entered'}, {'start': '3807.403', 'end': '3811.941', 'text': 'high school.'}, {'start': '3814.043', 'end': '3818.981', 'text': 'in high school Of course, there are already'}, {'start': '3814.643', 'end': '3818.981', 'text': 'some problems of my own, but'}, {'start': '3820.082', 'end': '3829.025', 'text': 'just taking the moment I'}, {'start': '3820.615', 'end': '3829.025', 'text': "started, there wouldn't have been.  The"}, {'start': '3824.119', 'end': '3829.025', 'text': 'setbacks then.'}, {'start': '3830.126', 'end': '3835.064', 'text': '9 10 11 12, right?  You mean'}, {'start': '3830.693', 'end': '3835.064', 'text': '12?'}, {'start': '3836.165', 'end': '3841.070', 'text': 'Because remembering that when I'}, {'start': '3836.732', 'end': '3841.070', 'text': 'came in Unlike you?   There'}, {'start': '3844.173', 'end': '3856.118', 'text': 'was no longer admission to the'}, {'start': '3844.807', 'end': '3856.118', 'text': 'gymnasium.  So you completed the'}, {'start': '3845.541', 'end': '3856.118', 'text': 'fourth grade, I bought it.  but'}, {'start': '3859.255', 'end': '3864.160', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: the decrease'}, {'start': '3865.261', 'end': '3870.199', 'text': 'in admission to the gym in'}, {'start': '3865.828', 'end': '3870.199', 'text': 'Benjamin is a very'}, {'start': '3866.295', 'end': '3870.199', 'text': 'interesting thing.   It'}, {'start': '3872.301', 'end': '3877.173', 'text': 'says that from the third year onwards,'}, {'start': '3872.901', 'end': '3877.173', 'text': 'if you wanted, you could'}, {'start': '3873.602', 'end': '3877.173', 'text': 'qualify and be'}, {'start': '3878.274', 'end': '3883.212', 'text': "regular. I didn't do that, but I"}, {'start': '3878.908', 'end': '3883.212', 'text': 'have a friend of mine who in the fourth'}, {'start': '3879.508', 'end': '3883.212', 'text': 'grade they'}, {'start': '3884.313', 'end': '3890.119', 'text': "certified and passed. He didn't do the"}, {'start': '3884.980', 'end': '3893.322', 'text': 'fifth grade, he went straight'}, {'start': '3885.514', 'end': '3893.889', 'text': "to high school. I didn't have the"}, {'start': '3889.585', 'end': '3894.390', 'text': "courage. In fact, I didn't even think about"}, {'start': '3890.186', 'end': '3897.759', 'text': 'doing something like that. I'}, {'start': '3893.389', 'end': '3898.293', 'text': 'thought I would'}, {'start': '3893.956', 'end': '3902.364', 'text': 'never be capable of doing something like'}, {'start': '3894.456', 'end': '3902.931', 'text': "that.  Did you understand?  It didn't even cross my"}, {'start': '3897.826', 'end': '3903.532', 'text': 'mind to do something'}, {'start': '3898.360', 'end': '3904.166', 'text': 'like that.'}, {'start': '3902.431', 'end': '3905.934', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: It's funny"}, {'start': '3902.998', 'end': '3907.369', 'text': "that I didn't know that you could"}, {'start': '3903.598', 'end': '3907.969', 'text': 'apply for admission without completing the'}, {'start': '3905.367', 'end': '3909.371', 'text': "fifth year, it's information that"}, {'start': '3906.001', 'end': '3909.938', 'text': "doesn't"}, {'start': '3907.436', 'end': '3910.372', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: Well, it's the day"}, {'start': '3908.036', 'end': '3915.344', 'text': 'in Benjamin that says the day.'}, {'start': '3909.438', 'end': '3915.344', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: the little'}, {'start': '3910.005', 'end': '3915.344', 'text': 'rule'}, {'start': '3910.439', 'end': '3915.344', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Got it?'}, {'start': '3921.484', 'end': '3927.589', 'text': "Because I don't like it anymore"}, {'start': '3922.084', 'end': '3929.458', 'text': ", I couldn't do that, right? If I didn't"}, {'start': '3922.718', 'end': '3934.430', 'text': 'allow it, how could you'}, {'start': '3923.786', 'end': '3934.430', 'text': "jump, that's right.  Right?  I do"}, {'start': '3927.656', 'end': '3934.430', 'text': "n't think so."}, {'start': '3929.525', 'end': '3934.430', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: because'}, {'start': '3938.567', 'end': '3943.439', 'text': 'admission was the justification, it was'}, {'start': '3939.234', 'end': '3943.439', 'text': 'the same date as the invention of the'}, {'start': '3939.768', 'end': '3943.439', 'text': 'entrance exam.'}, {'start': '3946.575', 'end': '3952.948', 'text': 'The person would have to'}, {'start': '3947.108', 'end': '3953.549', 'text': 'go through an admission process because there'}, {'start': '3947.709', 'end': '3956.585', 'text': "wasn't a gym for"}, {'start': '3948.343', 'end': '3957.185', 'text': 'everyone.  What would not be the case'}, {'start': '3953.015', 'end': '3957.753', 'text': 'of the Benjamin Constant Institute'}, {'start': '3953.616', 'end': '3958.220', 'text': 'and gin?'}, {'start': '3956.652', 'end': '3961.557', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: This would not be the'}, {'start': '3957.252', 'end': '3961.557', 'text': 'case at the Institute, however'}, {'start': '3957.819', 'end': '3961.557', 'text': 'we took the test to'}, {'start': '3958.287', 'end': '3961.557', 'text': 'finish the'}, {'start': '3963.659', 'end': '3968.630', 'text': 'fifth grade and the following week came'}, {'start': '3964.226', 'end': '3973.602', 'text': 'the'}, {'start': '3964.826', 'end': '3973.602', 'text': 'entrance exam for high school.  is'}, {'start': '3966.695', 'end': '3973.602', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: then'}, {'start': '3968.697', 'end': '3973.602', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: different'}, {'start': '3977.706', 'end': '3979.975', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: that's what"}, {'start': '3978.273', 'end': '3980.675', 'text': 'I was maintaining, but we'}, {'start': '3978.940', 'end': '3980.976', 'text': 'were not literate and we were not'}, {'start': '3979.574', 'end': '3985.648', 'text': 'inserted in the'}, {'start': '3980.041', 'end': '3985.648', 'text': 'domestication process.  At the proper time'}, {'start': '3980.742', 'end': '3985.648', 'text': 'in time.'}, {'start': '3981.042', 'end': '3985.648', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: No.'}, {'start': '3990.753', 'end': '3997.693', 'text': 'No, but take a good look at the'}, {'start': '3991.286', 'end': '3997.693', 'text': 'difference between the time spent at the internship'}, {'start': '3991.887', 'end': '3997.693', 'text': 'and the time spent outside of the internship,'}, {'start': '3992.921', 'end': '3997.693', 'text': 'right?'}, {'start': '4002.798', 'end': '4006.235', 'text': 'At the boarding school there are some'}, {'start': '4003.365', 'end': '4010.740', 'text': 'very interesting things that I know I wo'}, {'start': '4003.932', 'end': '4010.740', 'text': "n't be able to comment on,"}, {'start': '4004.533', 'end': '4010.740', 'text': 'right?  from boarding school, but I want to'}, {'start': '4006.301', 'end': '4010.740', 'text': 'tell you the following.'}, {'start': '4014.877', 'end': '4021.416', 'text': 'You lived almost a'}, {'start': '4015.511', 'end': '4021.984', 'text': 'split life.'}, {'start': '4016.879', 'end': '4022.584', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: like this'}, {'start': '4020.883', 'end': '4026.321', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Even more so at'}, {'start': '4021.483', 'end': '4026.988', 'text': 'my age, as we'}, {'start': '4022.050', 'end': '4030.826', 'text': 'grow up, we get'}, {'start': '4022.651', 'end': '4030.826', 'text': 'closer, at my'}, {'start': '4026.388', 'end': '4030.826', 'text': 'age you had it because you'}, {'start': '4027.055', 'end': '4030.826', 'text': 'had all the'}, {'start': '4031.927', 'end': '4036.866', 'text': 'books in Braille, you did'}, {'start': '4032.527', 'end': '4036.866', 'text': 'everything in Braille.  Do you'}, {'start': '4033.061', 'end': '4036.866', 'text': "understand?  You don't"}, {'start': '4038.968', 'end': '4046.876', 'text': 'need anyone to'}, {'start': '4039.568', 'end': '4046.876', 'text': "study, you don't need to read anything"}, {'start': '4040.202', 'end': '4046.876', 'text': 'extra and that was it, you'}, {'start': '4042.270', 'end': '4046.876', 'text': 'understand?  Then.'}, {'start': '4050.980', 'end': '4055.918', 'text': 'That I called.'}, {'start': '4058.053', 'end': '4062.958', 'text': 'my discussions later come'}, {'start': '4058.687', 'end': '4062.958', 'text': 'after Class Abolition,'}, {'start': '4059.287', 'end': '4062.958', 'text': "you didn't know."}, {'start': '4069.098', 'end': '4078.007', 'text': 'What you were leveled at,'}, {'start': '4069.698', 'end': '4078.007', 'text': 'everyone was leveled here, you'}, {'start': '4070.299', 'end': '4078.007', 'text': 'had your meal on time.'}, {'start': '4073.035', 'end': '4078.007', 'text': 'Not you?   I'}, {'start': '4082.111', 'end': '4084.446', 'text': 'had a call to sleep at the'}, {'start': '4082.644', 'end': '4086.214', 'text': 'right time, you see, someone'}, {'start': '4083.212', 'end': '4086.882', 'text': 'will say but you said there'}, {'start': '4083.946', 'end': '4087.416', 'text': 'was no protection, there was no'}, {'start': '4084.513', 'end': '4089.418', 'text': 'protection.  But you more or'}, {'start': '4086.281', 'end': '4092.354', 'text': "less complied, you couldn't have"}, {'start': '4086.948', 'end': '4092.921', 'text': 'lunch whenever you'}, {'start': '4087.482', 'end': '4097.093', 'text': 'wanted, you understand?  Have a snack'}, {'start': '4089.484', 'end': '4097.093', 'text': "whenever you want.  You didn't"}, {'start': '4092.421', 'end': '4097.093', 'text': 'have class whenever you'}, {'start': '4092.988', 'end': '4097.093', 'text': 'wanted.   Did'}, {'start': '4099.195', 'end': '4105.134', 'text': 'you understand?  So in that sense'}, {'start': '4099.795', 'end': '4105.134', 'text': 'you remained within a'}, {'start': '4100.429', 'end': '4105.134', 'text': 'protective institution.'}, {'start': '4107.236', 'end': '4112.174', 'text': 'Okay, I remember that in my'}, {'start': '4107.769', 'end': '4112.174', 'text': 'thesis one of the discussions I'}, {'start': '4108.403', 'end': '4112.174', 'text': 'did.'}, {'start': '4113.275', 'end': '4118.180', 'text': 'was the theory of the'}, {'start': '4113.842', 'end': '4118.180', 'text': 'total institution of'}, {'start': '4120.282', 'end': '4126.322', 'text': 'Né?  Because the Imperial Institute'}, {'start': '4120.882', 'end': '4130.226', 'text': 'was much closer to'}, {'start': '4121.449', 'end': '4130.226', 'text': 'a total institution than the'}, {'start': '4125.788', 'end': '4130.226', 'text': 'anania.  At the time, in my time, I did'}, {'start': '4126.388', 'end': '4130.226', 'text': "n't even think that"}, {'start': '4131.360', 'end': '4136.265', 'text': 'it was a Total, but'}, {'start': '4131.927', 'end': '4136.265', 'text': 'at the time of the Imperial Study,'}, {'start': '4132.527', 'end': '4136.265', 'text': 'the Institute was'}, {'start': '4138.367', 'end': '4143.272', 'text': 'smaller and much more cramped, with'}, {'start': '4138.900', 'end': '4143.272', 'text': 'very few students 30 31. It'}, {'start': '4146.375', 'end': '4152.314', 'text': 'was different, well, I'}, {'start': '4146.875', 'end': '4152.314', 'text': 'tried to verify'}, {'start': '4147.509', 'end': '4152.314', 'text': "Darthio's notion of a total institution, but it"}, {'start': '4148.143', 'end': '4152.314', 'text': "didn't apply.   Did"}, {'start': '4154.416', 'end': '4159.355', 'text': 'you understand?  I mean, even'}, {'start': '4155.016', 'end': '4159.355', 'text': 'in the Institute under those conditions,'}, {'start': '4155.650', 'end': '4159.355', 'text': 'it'}, {'start': '4160.456', 'end': '4165.394', 'text': 'could not be characterized as'}, {'start': '4161.090', 'end': '4165.394', 'text': 'a Total institution, as I'}, {'start': '4161.690', 'end': '4165.394', 'text': 'confess to'}, {'start': '4167.496', 'end': '4172.434', 'text': 'prison, right?  Which is just the'}, {'start': '4167.996', 'end': '4172.434', 'text': "bloc's institutions, right?  The"}, {'start': '4168.563', 'end': '4172.434', 'text': 'Total Institution'}, {'start': '4177.506', 'end': '4182.444', 'text': 'That you had the schedules, you'}, {'start': '4178.240', 'end': '4182.444', 'text': 'had to comply with the'}, {'start': '4178.874', 'end': '4182.444', 'text': 'class schedule.'}, {'start': '4183.545', 'end': '4191.487', 'text': 'meal times and the time'}, {'start': '4184.145', 'end': '4191.487', 'text': 'you were called to sleep'}, {'start': '4186.481', 'end': '4191.487', 'text': 'now'}, {'start': '4193.589', 'end': '4203.532', 'text': 'to wake up too, but'}, {'start': '4194.122', 'end': '4203.532', 'text': 'as we grow up'}, {'start': '4194.723', 'end': '4203.532', 'text': 'we start to disobey the'}, {'start': '4195.858', 'end': '4203.532', 'text': 'standards.  Did you understand?'}, {'start': '4204.633', 'end': '4212.608', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Oh, without a'}, {'start': '4205.133', 'end': '4213.175', 'text': 'doubt.'}, {'start': '4209.672', 'end': '4213.742', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: You too.'}, {'start': '4212.675', 'end': '4217.613', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Which is for'}, {'start': '4213.242', 'end': '4217.613', 'text': 'dormitory rules, it was our'}, {'start': '4213.809', 'end': '4217.613', 'text': 'daily practice.'}, {'start': '4218.714', 'end': '4223.251', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: And the Institute'}, {'start': '4219.314', 'end': '4227.656', 'text': 'was big, we would run away from it,'}, {'start': '4219.881', 'end': '4227.656', 'text': 'find a way to fool the'}, {'start': '4222.718', 'end': '4227.656', 'text': 'inspectors there and go for a walk around the'}, {'start': '4223.318', 'end': '4227.656', 'text': 'house.'}, {'start': '4228.757', 'end': '4235.364', 'text': "that's us"}, {'start': '4231.760', 'end': '4239.702', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: the Institute'}, {'start': '4234.797', 'end': '4239.702', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Girls not the'}, {'start': '4235.431', 'end': '4239.702', 'text': 'girls them.'}, {'start': '4240.803', 'end': '4250.713', 'text': 'were much more controlled,'}, {'start': '4241.336', 'end': '4250.713', 'text': 'you know?  It was another father.'}, {'start': '4245.808', 'end': '4250.713', 'text': 'exactly'}, {'start': '4251.814', 'end': '4256.217', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Mauricio,'}, {'start': '4252.381', 'end': '4256.785', 'text': 'a curiosity about the'}, {'start': '4252.915', 'end': '4261.823', 'text': 'Benjamin Institute.'}, {'start': '4255.884', 'end': '4262.423', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: yes'}, {'start': '4256.284', 'end': '4262.957', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: He tries.'}, {'start': '4257.819', 'end': '4266.829', 'text': 'has'}, {'start': '4261.890', 'end': '4266.829', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Strange floor'}, {'start': '4262.490', 'end': '4266.829', 'text': 'Of course there are the dormitories'}, {'start': '4263.024', 'end': '4266.829', 'text': 'were on the top floor there in'}, {'start': '4273.969', 'end': '4278.740', 'text': 'We called it three, but they'}, {'start': '4274.636', 'end': '4281.910', 'text': "called it two because I don't know"}, {'start': '4275.270', 'end': '4282.510', 'text': "why they don't consider the"}, {'start': '4278.240', 'end': '4283.111', 'text': 'ground floor as the first floor but'}, {'start': '4278.807', 'end': '4283.345', 'text': 'we do.'}, {'start': '4281.977', 'end': '4287.883', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: That's it in"}, {'start': '4282.577', 'end': '4287.883', 'text': "Rio. It's funny, I saw that, I"}, {'start': '4283.178', 'end': '4287.883', 'text': 'say.'}, {'start': '4283.411', 'end': '4287.883', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: See, right?'}, {'start': '4291.019', 'end': '4296.324', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: I lived'}, {'start': '4291.619', 'end': '4300.996', 'text': 'in Niterói, for me that was the'}, {'start': '4292.186', 'end': '4300.996', 'text': 'second floor, but people'}, {'start': '4292.687', 'end': '4300.996', 'text': 'called it the third, I never'}, {'start': '4296.391', 'end': '4300.996', 'text': 'managed to understand.'}, {'start': '4305.100', 'end': '4308.503', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: So, we'}, {'start': '4305.667', 'end': '4313.008', 'text': 'have the ground floor, which is platinum. The patio'}, {'start': '4306.267', 'end': '4313.008', 'text': 'on the ground floor had'}, {'start': '4308.070', 'end': '4313.008', 'text': 'all the workshop rooms, which were on the'}, {'start': '4308.570', 'end': '4313.008', 'text': 'ground floor.   You'}, {'start': '4314.109', 'end': '4319.014', 'text': 'understand, she'}, {'start': '4314.676', 'end': '4319.014', 'text': "doesn't have everything downstairs."}, {'start': '4320.149', 'end': '4330.092', 'text': 'the classrooms themselves were'}, {'start': '4325.087', 'end': '4330.092', 'text': 'dedicated to the classroom.'}, {'start': '4332.194', 'end': '4338.133', 'text': 'And the third one was dedicated to'}, {'start': '4332.761', 'end': '4338.667', 'text': 'stealing for the dormitories,'}, {'start': '4333.328', 'end': '4348.177', 'text': 'you know?  It was like that.  It was'}, {'start': '4336.298', 'end': '4348.177', 'text': 'like that.'}, {'start': '4338.200', 'end': '4348.177', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: let's go back to"}, {'start': '4338.733', 'end': '4348.177', 'text': 'the admission of'}, {'start': '4352.281', 'end': '4357.252', 'text': "Benjamin Constant's education system."}, {'start': '4358.353', 'end': '4363.258', 'text': 'Why was Dorina already uncertain in the 1950s'}, {'start': '4358.886', 'end': '4363.258', 'text': '?'}, {'start': '4366.395', 'end': '4373.335', 'text': 'And she achieved success in Bahia in the'}, {'start': '4367.062', 'end': '4373.335', 'text': '60s, she was already uncertain about the'}, {'start': '4367.596', 'end': '4373.335', 'text': 'idea and they were already trying to'}, {'start': '4368.563', 'end': '4373.335', 'text': 'disseminate the idea.'}, {'start': '4374.436', 'end': '4377.339', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: How'}, {'start': '4374.869', 'end': '4379.341', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: That'}, {'start': '4375.437', 'end': '4379.574', 'text': 'blind people should study in'}, {'start': '4375.937', 'end': '4384.346', 'text': 'schools with others?'}, {'start': '4377.406', 'end': '4384.346', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: exactly'}, {'start': '4379.408', 'end': '4384.346', 'text': 'exactly'}, {'start': '4379.641', 'end': '4384.346', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: right and'}, {'start': '4392.488', 'end': '4397.993', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: No, in fact there'}, {'start': '4393.122', 'end': '4406.435', 'text': 'was always strong'}, {'start': '4393.555', 'end': '4406.435', 'text': 'resistance to Dorina within.'}, {'start': '4397.526', 'end': '4406.435', 'text': 'Dorina was not a'}, {'start': '4398.060', 'end': '4406.435', 'text': 'dentist.  And'}, {'start': '4408.537', 'end': '4413.475', 'text': "Dorina's ideas and"}, {'start': '4409.137', 'end': '4413.475', 'text': 'we even said that the students who'}, {'start': '4409.671', 'end': '4413.475', 'text': 'said they study'}, {'start': '4414.576', 'end': '4419.515', 'text': "at a regular school don't know anything,"}, {'start': '4415.176', 'end': '4419.515', 'text': 'unfortunately for Dorina it was'}, {'start': '4415.710', 'end': '4419.515', 'text': 'true.'}, {'start': '4421.617', 'end': '4430.559', 'text': 'And we said that the students,'}, {'start': '4422.184', 'end': '4430.559', 'text': 'right?  The problem is who knew, right?'}, {'start': '4422.784', 'end': '4430.559', 'text': 'Not everyone knew, you know?'}, {'start': '4425.988', 'end': '4430.559', 'text': 'But we thought so.'}, {'start': '4431.660', 'end': '4436.565', 'text': 'With some reason that Benjamin'}, {'start': '4432.294', 'end': '4436.565', 'text': 'Constant would give if you wanted.'}, {'start': '4437.666', 'end': '4442.571', 'text': 'opportunity to study seriously'}, {'start': '4438.233', 'end': '4442.571', 'text': 'because regular school does'}, {'start': '4438.833', 'end': '4442.571', 'text': "n't seem to give you"}, {'start': '4444.673', 'end': '4449.611', 'text': 'that opportunity. At the beginning, right?  Because'}, {'start': '4445.206', 'end': '4449.611', 'text': 'actually.'}, {'start': '4451.713', 'end': '4453.915', 'text': 'I mean, and then we go'}, {'start': '4452.313', 'end': '4458.654', 'text': 'today you will still'}, {'start': '4452.880', 'end': '4458.654', 'text': 'find teachers from'}, {'start': '4453.348', 'end': '4458.654', 'text': "Benjamin Constante.  They'll tell you"}, {'start': '4454.015', 'end': '4458.654', 'text': 'that.'}, {'start': '4459.755', 'end': '4464.559', 'text': 'that in fact, education is bad'}, {'start': '4460.288', 'end': '4468.730', 'text': ', as everything is not'}, {'start': '4460.989', 'end': '4468.730', 'text': 'education for the blind at'}, {'start': '4464.025', 'end': '4468.730', 'text': 'school, as education as'}, {'start': '4464.626', 'end': '4468.730', 'text': 'a whole is rubbish.'}, {'start': '4470.832', 'end': '4477.171', 'text': 'Now at that time there were'}, {'start': '4471.365', 'end': '4481.042', 'text': 'difficulties in'}, {'start': '4471.833', 'end': '4481.576', 'text': 'integrating students into'}, {'start': '4472.934', 'end': '4485.781', 'text': 'regular schools.  There was no'}, {'start': '4477.238', 'end': '4485.781', 'text': "integration policy.  I hadn't."}, {'start': '4481.109', 'end': '4485.781', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Yes, but'}, {'start': '4481.642', 'end': '4485.781', 'text': 'you'}, {'start': '4486.882', 'end': '4492.621', 'text': "should notice that Dorina's proposal"}, {'start': '4487.449', 'end': '4496.090', 'text': 'was at least what it'}, {'start': '4488.049', 'end': '4502.865', 'text': 'was.  Here it was forwarded by'}, {'start': '4492.287', 'end': '4502.865', 'text': 'people from Salvador,'}, {'start': '4492.687', 'end': '4502.865', 'text': 'mainly.  second half of the'}, {'start': '4496.157', 'end': '4502.865', 'text': '60s is that'}, {'start': '4503.966', 'end': '4508.837', 'text': 'the common school received the'}, {'start': '4504.499', 'end': '4508.837', 'text': 'blind.'}, {'start': '4509.972', 'end': '4516.011', 'text': 'And in it and the'}, {'start': '4510.439', 'end': '4517.145', 'text': 'education department provided.'}, {'start': '4514.977', 'end': '4521.950', 'text': 'specialized teachers for'}, {'start': '4515.577', 'end': '4521.950', 'text': 'monitoring then'}, {'start': '4516.078', 'end': '4521.950', 'text': 'transcription adaptation of'}, {'start': '4517.212', 'end': '4521.950', 'text': 'material'}, {'start': '4527.089', 'end': '4531.994', 'text': 'And here in Bahia this with the'}, {'start': '4527.589', 'end': '4531.994', 'text': 'Bahia Sex Institute this'}, {'start': '4528.190', 'end': '4531.994', 'text': 'worked.'}, {'start': '4533.095', 'end': '4538.033', 'text': 'At least until my time until'}, {'start': '4533.695', 'end': '4538.033', 'text': 'my second visit there 7576,'}, {'start': '4534.296', 'end': '4538.033', 'text': 'that is,'}, {'start': '4539.134', 'end': '4547.275', 'text': 'more or less 10 years later 10'}, {'start': '4539.734', 'end': '4547.876', 'text': '12 years after the Institute for the'}, {'start': '4540.301', 'end': '4552.347', 'text': 'Blind has embraced this idea'}, {'start': '4542.270', 'end': '4557.085', 'text': 'until then and it worked.  In my opinion,'}, {'start': '4547.342', 'end': '4557.085', 'text': 'I could obviously be'}, {'start': '4547.942', 'end': '4557.085', 'text': 'wrong.  but as far as I'}, {'start': '4552.414', 'end': '4557.085', 'text': 'know and'}, {'start': '4561.189', 'end': '4565.293', 'text': 'what I believe about winning as a student, it has'}, {'start': '4561.756', 'end': '4570.132', 'text': 'worked'}, {'start': '4562.223', 'end': '4570.132', 'text': 'reasonably well, the big'}, {'start': '4562.723', 'end': '4570.132', 'text': 'problem I thought.  the time'}, {'start': '4565.360', 'end': '4570.132', 'text': 'and today'}, {'start': '4573.268', 'end': '4583.211', 'text': "More let's say domain, right?   It's just"}, {'start': '4573.902', 'end': '4583.211', 'text': 'that they used to group'}, {'start': '4574.469', 'end': '4583.211', 'text': 'very seriously without a single'}, {'start': '4575.503', 'end': '4583.211', 'text': 'school.  So did'}, {'start': '4585.313', 'end': '4590.218', 'text': 'you receive the blind as students?'}, {'start': '4592.354', 'end': '4601.296', 'text': 'even though teachers have the'}, {'start': '4592.887', 'end': '4601.296', 'text': 'guarantee of the'}, {'start': '4593.388', 'end': '4601.296', 'text': 'education department.  Of what?'}, {'start': '4607.402', 'end': '4611.939', 'text': 'And the teachers would be'}, {'start': '4607.869', 'end': '4612.440', 'text': 'guided by'}, {'start': '4608.269', 'end': '4615.643', 'text': 'specialized people, including Dorina, the'}, {'start': '4611.339', 'end': '4620.349', 'text': 'urine foundation, gave the Foundation'}, {'start': '4612.006', 'end': '4620.349', 'text': "for Sérgio's book, in"}, {'start': '4612.507', 'end': '4620.349', 'text': 'fact.  provided countless'}, {'start': '4615.710', 'end': '4620.349', 'text': 'courses'}, {'start': '4622.484', 'end': '4628.456', 'text': 'and the teachers who'}, {'start': '4622.884', 'end': '4631.459', 'text': 'participated in them gave me an'}, {'start': '4623.485', 'end': '4632.059', 'text': 'interview at the time.  of the'}, {'start': '4624.519', 'end': '4641.436', 'text': 'research said that'}, {'start': '4628.523', 'end': '4641.436', 'text': 'teachers from several states'}, {'start': '4631.526', 'end': '4641.436', 'text': 'would be in those courses.'}, {'start': '4636.498', 'end': '4641.436', 'text': "That's right, Rio de Janeiro."}, {'start': '4651.613', 'end': '4656.518', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: He had strength in'}, {'start': '4652.213', 'end': '4656.518', 'text': 'São Paulo, but he didn’t resist.'}, {'start': '4659.621', 'end': '4670.131', 'text': 'You think of Chico even in the'}, {'start': '4660.221', 'end': '4670.765', 'text': '70s, the students from outside did'}, {'start': '4660.788', 'end': '4674.636', 'text': "n't know.  You understand"}, {'start': '4669.597', 'end': '4674.636', 'text': 'and many party teachers'}, {'start': '4670.197', 'end': '4674.636', 'text': 'were employees of'}, {'start': '4670.831', 'end': '4674.636', 'text': "Dorina's foundation."}, {'start': '4678.707', 'end': '4684.679', 'text': "Even so, she didn't make it"}, {'start': '4679.341', 'end': '4685.279', 'text': 'as far as I more or'}, {'start': '4679.874', 'end': '4689.651', 'text': 'less compared.  what he called'}, {'start': '4684.045', 'end': '4689.651', 'text': 'residential.'}, {'start': '4684.746', 'end': '4689.651', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: residential'}, {'start': '4690.786', 'end': '4697.693', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: And it won't and"}, {'start': '4691.386', 'end': '4697.693', 'text': "won't beat São Rafael, it"}, {'start': '4692.054', 'end': '4697.693', 'text': 'was already well established and Santa'}, {'start': '4692.721', 'end': '4697.693', 'text': 'Luzia.'}, {'start': '4701.830', 'end': '4706.735', 'text': 'That was to call.'}, {'start': '4712.841', 'end': '4715.110', 'text': 'People who see inside'}, {'start': '4713.441', 'end': '4718.012', 'text': 'the Institute itself, that is to say,'}, {'start': '4714.042', 'end': '4718.513', 'text': 'for centuries they did not leave the'}, {'start': '4714.576', 'end': '4722.283', 'text': 'Institute for common schools,'}, {'start': '4715.176', 'end': '4726.822', 'text': 'it was the people who saw'}, {'start': '4718.079', 'end': '4726.822', 'text': 'who began to study'}, {'start': '4718.580', 'end': '4726.822', 'text': "there.  You didn't know that,"}, {'start': '4722.350', 'end': '4726.822', 'text': 'did you?'}, {'start': '4732.961', 'end': '4737.866', 'text': 'It was exactly.'}, {'start': '4740.001', 'end': '4744.873', 'text': "I don't know, I don't know how it"}, {'start': '4740.701', 'end': '4744.873', 'text': "worked, I don't know how to"}, {'start': '4741.235', 'end': '4744.873', 'text': 'explain it to you.'}, {'start': '4746.975', 'end': '4752.413', 'text': 'because Santa Luzia also'}, {'start': '4747.508', 'end': '4757.352', 'text': 'had a state teacher,'}, {'start': '4748.042', 'end': '4757.619', 'text': 'for example,'}, {'start': '4752.013', 'end': '4761.957', 'text': "leaning on it. First, let's"}, {'start': '4752.480', 'end': '4761.957', 'text': 'remember.  The others'}, {'start': '4757.419', 'end': '4761.957', 'text': 'were not Federal.'}, {'start': '4757.686', 'end': '4761.957', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: No.'}, {'start': '4772.100', 'end': '4777.005', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: It was an'}, {'start': '4772.600', 'end': '4777.005', 'text': 'institution.'}, {'start': '4785.180', 'end': '4790.085', 'text': 'In other words, Rio de Janeiro and'}, {'start': '4785.680', 'end': '4790.085', 'text': 'then it became the State of'}, {'start': '4786.181', 'end': '4790.085', 'text': 'Guanabara until 1975,'}, {'start': '4791.186', 'end': '4797.158', 'text': 'so Rio de Janeiro is a'}, {'start': '4791.786', 'end': '4802.130', 'text': 'very peculiar and'}, {'start': '4792.253', 'end': '4802.130', 'text': 'different story, right?  So we'}, {'start': '4794.322', 'end': '4802.130', 'text': 'have to take that into consideration.    Did'}, {'start': '4797.225', 'end': '4802.130', 'text': 'you understand?   The'}, {'start': '4806.268', 'end': '4809.804', 'text': 'fact that it is still a'}, {'start': '4806.868', 'end': '4814.209', 'text': 'federal school is of utmost importance and'}, {'start': '4807.469', 'end': '4814.809', 'text': 'must be recognized and sought.'}, {'start': '4809.237', 'end': '4815.410', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: I don't know, without a"}, {'start': '4809.871', 'end': '4816.011', 'text': 'doubt, without a doubt.'}, {'start': '4814.276', 'end': '4819.581', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Got it?  This'}, {'start': '4814.876', 'end': '4824.219', 'text': 'is very important for you to'}, {'start': '4815.477', 'end': '4824.219', 'text': 'understand the dynamics of this'}, {'start': '4816.077', 'end': '4824.219', 'text': 'process.'}, {'start': '4819.648', 'end': '4824.219', 'text': 'Why the resistance?'}, {'start': '4827.322', 'end': '4831.259', 'text': 'At the urgency of urine, for'}, {'start': '4827.922', 'end': '4831.659', 'text': 'example, they will create the'}, {'start': '4828.456', 'end': '4836.264', 'text': 'National Education of'}, {'start': '4829.557', 'end': '4836.264', 'text': 'Heaven campaign.'}, {'start': '4831.326', 'end': '4836.264', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno:'}, {'start': '4831.726', 'end': '4836.264', 'text': 'sex literacy'}, {'start': '4837.365', 'end': '4843.305', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni:'}, {'start': '4837.832', 'end': '4843.305', 'text': 'Dorina'}, {'start': '4838.399', 'end': '4843.305', 'text': 'will take over the National campaign, Juscelino will'}, {'start': '4838.933', 'end': '4843.305', 'text': 'hand it over to her, right?'}, {'start': '4854.449', 'end': '4864.392', 'text': 'What will happen? Many'}, {'start': '4855.016', 'end': '4864.392', 'text': 'servants were hired because'}, {'start': '4855.616', 'end': '4864.392', 'text': 'the campaign was Right, the'}, {'start': '4859.587', 'end': '4864.392', 'text': 'campaign was Federal.'}, {'start': '4866.494', 'end': '4871.433', 'text': 'And then a lot of very blind people,'}, {'start': '4867.027', 'end': '4871.433', 'text': 'former students of Benjamin Constance,'}, {'start': '4867.561', 'end': '4871.433', 'text': 'managed to do it.'}, {'start': '4875.503', 'end': '4877.571', 'text': 'be employed by the campaign'}, {'start': '4876.036', 'end': '4878.305', 'text': 'within Benjamin Constante'}, {'start': '4876.570', 'end': '4887.449', 'text': 'for different activities'}, {'start': '4877.071', 'end': '4887.449', 'text': 'within the Braile Press as'}, {'start': '4877.638', 'end': '4887.449', 'text': 'teachers Do you understand?'}, {'start': '4882.477', 'end': '4887.449', 'text': 'But the national campaign.'}, {'start': '4890.618', 'end': '4895.689', 'text': 'Here in Benjamin it will'}, {'start': '4891.085', 'end': '4896.190', 'text': 'work to supply the'}, {'start': '4891.685', 'end': '4900.562', 'text': 'Residential School of the same, Dorina was'}, {'start': '4892.253', 'end': '4900.562', 'text': 'unable to do so.  make the'}, {'start': '4895.756', 'end': '4900.562', 'text': 'campaign within the Universal church'}, {'start': '4901.663', 'end': '4906.568', 'text': 'that and take the students to'}, {'start': '4902.230', 'end': '4906.568', 'text': "school like she couldn't."}, {'start': '4912.674', 'end': '4917.579', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Just to'}, {'start': '4913.241', 'end': '4917.579', 'text': 'conclude this topic,'}, {'start': '4913.708', 'end': '4917.579', 'text': 'Maurício, you are'}, {'start': '4914.409', 'end': '4917.579', 'text': 'much'}, {'start': '4918.713', 'end': '4926.621', 'text': 'more aware of this thing where there are'}, {'start': '4919.313', 'end': '4926.621', 'text': 'works discussing'}, {'start': '4919.847', 'end': '4926.621', 'text': 'these issues, these'}, {'start': '4921.916', 'end': '4926.621', 'text': 'ties between.'}, {'start': '4928.757', 'end': '4933.662', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: How far do I'}, {'start': '4929.324', 'end': '4933.662', 'text': 'follow?'}, {'start': '4938.867', 'end': '4942.970', 'text': 'If you had a dissertation, many'}, {'start': '4939.501', 'end': '4943.771', 'text': "dissertations that I don't"}, {'start': '4940.068', 'end': '4948.810', 'text': "remember Dorina in need, I didn't"}, {'start': '4940.668', 'end': '4948.810', 'text': 'even mention them.  by the way, Claro'}, {'start': '4943.037', 'end': '4948.810', 'text': 'labor 19th century'}, {'start': '4943.838', 'end': '4948.810', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Of course'}, {'start': '4952.914', 'end': '4960.855', 'text': 'I got to mention it but because of'}, {'start': '4953.514', 'end': '4960.855', 'text': 'exactly the opposite of the'}, {'start': '4954.048', 'end': '4960.855', 'text': 'strength that she demonstrated and the.'}, {'start': '4961.956', 'end': '4967.762', 'text': 'In relation to an institute, you'}, {'start': '4962.623', 'end': '4971.900', 'text': 'have sent one of'}, {'start': '4963.190', 'end': '4971.900', 'text': 'your employees here.  In 65 66 to'}, {'start': '4967.228', 'end': '4971.900', 'text': 'clean up the mess as he himself'}, {'start': '4967.829', 'end': '4971.900', 'text': 'said.'}, {'start': '4974.002', 'end': '4978.907', 'text': 'That the Bahia Institute for the Blind'}, {'start': '4974.535', 'end': '4978.907', 'text': 'was a mess was a'}, {'start': '4975.136', 'end': '4978.907', 'text': '0 to 100 year old.'}, {'start': '4981.009', 'end': '4985.947', 'text': 'and Dorina, the idea of \u200b\u200bIt'}, {'start': '4987.048', 'end': '4994.990', 'text': 'seems to me that from 6 to 18 years old the'}, {'start': '4987.615', 'end': '4994.990', 'text': "entry and permanence, right?  and that's"}, {'start': '5008.169', 'end': '5011.105', 'text': 'why I mentioned it, right?'}, {'start': '5008.769', 'end': '5016.077', 'text': "That's why I brought Dorina's"}, {'start': '5009.270', 'end': '5016.077', 'text': 'dissertation precisely because of it.'}, {'start': '5011.172', 'end': '5016.077', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: That's right. There"}, {'start': '5023.218', 'end': '5026.754', 'text': 'was no limit to its'}, {'start': '5023.751', 'end': '5031.159', 'text': 'repetition, he said.'}, {'start': '5024.219', 'end': '5031.159', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Yes, yes.'}, {'start': '5026.221', 'end': '5031.159', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: then beer'}, {'start': '5026.821', 'end': '5031.159', 'text': 'will start to impose itself.'}, {'start': '5032.260', 'end': '5039.200', 'text': "rules that you can't"}, {'start': '5032.960', 'end': '5039.200', 'text': 'repeat more than twice in'}, {'start': '5033.561', 'end': '5039.200', 'text': 'elementary school more than twice in'}, {'start': '5034.529', 'end': '5039.200', 'text': 'high school.  Do you understand?'}, {'start': '5040.301', 'end': '5047.208', 'text': 'But I knew the Institute in'}, {'start': '5040.868', 'end': '5047.208', 'text': 'my time.  It was still a mix'}, {'start': '5042.370', 'end': '5047.208', 'text': 'of school and asylum.'}, {'start': '5049.310', 'end': '5054.249', 'text': 'Later he started losing the'}, {'start': '5049.910', 'end': '5054.249', 'text': 'guy, he was from there, but he'}, {'start': '5050.477', 'end': '5054.249', 'text': 'was still'}, {'start': '5056.384', 'end': '5070.331', 'text': 'vehemently'}, {'start': '5060.388', 'end': '5070.331', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: And here in'}, {'start': '5060.955', 'end': '5070.331', 'text': 'Salvador she was successful.'}, {'start': '5065.359', 'end': '5070.331', 'text': 'a legal dispute'}, {'start': '5072.467', 'end': '5077.338', 'text': 'went to court.'}, {'start': '5085.480', 'end': '5090.418', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: There was no'}, {'start': '5086.047', 'end': '5090.418', 'text': 'way.'}, {'start': '5096.524', 'end': '5105.733', 'text': "You understand and there's"}, {'start': '5097.124', 'end': '5110.505', 'text': 'another thing, if you had gotten'}, {'start': '5097.858', 'end': '5110.505', 'text': "married you wouldn't stay there, you wouldn't"}, {'start': '5099.894', 'end': '5110.505', 'text': ".  Of course I wouldn't.  Right, then?"}, {'start': '5115.610', 'end': '5120.181', 'text': 'Since the beginning of the 20th century,'}, {'start': '5116.577', 'end': '5124.552', 'text': 'protection institutions began to emerge.  How does'}, {'start': '5119.680', 'end': '5124.552', 'text': 'the lily of the servants covenant of the'}, {'start': '5120.248', 'end': '5124.552', 'text': 'servants?'}, {'start': '5125.653', 'end': '5130.191', 'text': 'That they were all'}, {'start': '5126.253', 'end': '5130.625', 'text': 'broom manufacturers and that the market was big'}, {'start': '5126.787', 'end': '5131.192', 'text': '.'}, {'start': '5129.691', 'end': '5135.597', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: the market'}, {'start': '5130.258', 'end': '5135.597', 'text': 'much more in CE'}, {'start': '5130.692', 'end': '5135.597', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: the brooms'}, {'start': '5145.707', 'end': '5151.512', 'text': 'His Freemasonry, but Benjamin is'}, {'start': '5146.307', 'end': '5157.718', 'text': 'known not to have manufactured brooms'}, {'start': '5146.908', 'end': '5158.252', 'text': 'for sale.  It was exclusively'}, {'start': '5151.045', 'end': '5162.757', 'text': 'to teach us how to make'}, {'start': '5151.579', 'end': '5163.391', 'text': 'brooms.  I have been.'}, {'start': '5157.785', 'end': '5163.991', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: He even'}, {'start': '5158.318', 'end': '5167.729', 'text': 'learned how to do it.'}, {'start': '5162.824', 'end': '5167.729', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: I don't know if I"}, {'start': '5163.458', 'end': '5167.729', 'text': 'learned, but I spent about three'}, {'start': '5164.058', 'end': '5167.729', 'text': 'years already?'}, {'start': '5170.865', 'end': '5178.740', 'text': 'But I think I did I think I did I'}, {'start': '5171.465', 'end': '5178.740', 'text': 'learned.  But our'}, {'start': '5171.999', 'end': '5178.740', 'text': 'broom you had two types'}, {'start': '5174.135', 'end': '5178.740', 'text': 'of broom at the time.'}, {'start': '5179.874', 'end': '5188.783', 'text': 'It was a broom made of'}, {'start': '5180.341', 'end': '5188.783', 'text': 'ruffled hair and a broom made of fur.'}, {'start': '5183.811', 'end': '5188.783', 'text': 'And the way you fit in'}, {'start': '5184.411', 'end': '5188.783', 'text': 'passing was different today.'}, {'start': '5190.918', 'end': '5195.823', 'text': 'today you were you had some'}, {'start': '5191.552', 'end': '5195.823', 'text': 'spiders and the dry ones.'}, {'start': '5203.965', 'end': '5207.902', 'text': 'the holes you put that'}, {'start': '5204.599', 'end': '5208.536', 'text': 'there and fitting it in was as threatening'}, {'start': '5205.199', 'end': '5212.907', 'text': 'as a hair today, you'}, {'start': '5205.867', 'end': '5212.907', 'text': 'are already built'}, {'start': '5207.969', 'end': '5212.907', 'text': "differently, right?  She doesn't have it anymore,"}, {'start': '5208.603', 'end': '5212.907', 'text': 'okay?'}, {'start': '5216.010', 'end': '5220.547', 'text': 'and the teacher, the League of Bosses'}, {'start': '5216.610', 'end': '5224.953', 'text': 'became famous, had a'}, {'start': '5217.177', 'end': '5224.953', 'text': 'captive market for Brooms.'}, {'start': '5220.014', 'end': '5224.953', 'text': 'A lot of brooms, you know?'}, {'start': '5220.614', 'end': '5224.953', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: but I'}, {'start': '5235.096', 'end': '5240.068', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: It was always'}, {'start': '5235.629', 'end': '5240.068', 'text': 'now Benjamin Constant'}, {'start': '5236.097', 'end': '5240.068', 'text': 'managed to introduce the law of the'}, {'start': '5241.169', 'end': '5248.076', 'text': 'broom maker Benjamin within'}, {'start': '5241.736', 'end': '5248.076', 'text': 'Benjamin Constant started to see'}, {'start': '5242.303', 'end': '5248.076', 'text': 'masseurs appear?'}, {'start': '5249.177', 'end': '5251.646', 'text': 'Many people were employed and'}, {'start': '5249.710', 'end': '5256.117', 'text': 'managed to work as'}, {'start': '5250.211', 'end': '5256.117', 'text': 'masseurs.'}, {'start': '5251.179', 'end': '5256.117', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: It only'}, {'start': '5251.712', 'end': '5256.117', 'text': 'arrived here in the 80s.'}, {'start': '5259.220', 'end': '5264.825', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: When it arrived'}, {'start': '5259.820', 'end': '5269.363', 'text': 'for you, but'}, {'start': '5260.421', 'end': '5273.267', 'text': "massage didn't exist yet, right?  She"}, {'start': '5264.324', 'end': '5273.834', 'text': "wasn't just any trash anymore,"}, {'start': '5264.892', 'end': '5274.268', 'text': 'for you to have an idea.  70s.'}, {'start': '5273.334', 'end': '5279.207', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: That's"}, {'start': '5273.901', 'end': '5279.207', 'text': 'exactly right.'}, {'start': '5274.335', 'end': '5279.207', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Got it?  To'}, {'start': '5274.935', 'end': '5279.207', 'text': 'mean?'}, {'start': '5287.348', 'end': '5293.321', 'text': 'And Sex began to be delivered'}, {'start': '5287.915', 'end': '5293.921', 'text': 'in hospitals to masseurs and'}, {'start': '5288.515', 'end': '5296.324', 'text': 'to give private massages.'}, {'start': '5290.351', 'end': '5296.924', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Yes, yes.'}, {'start': '5293.388', 'end': '5301.362', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: I met a lot of'}, {'start': '5293.988', 'end': '5301.996', 'text': 'people who supported themselves this way.'}, {'start': '5296.391', 'end': '5302.697', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Yes, I also'}, {'start': '5296.991', 'end': '5304.432', 'text': 'knew it in the 80s.'}, {'start': '5301.429', 'end': '5309.304', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: And when you'}, {'start': '5302.063', 'end': '5309.304', 'text': 'did it, it was you, you know?  So'}, {'start': '5302.763', 'end': '5309.304', 'text': 'you had this massage market on one side'}, {'start': '5304.498', 'end': '5309.304', 'text': '.'}, {'start': '5316.477', 'end': '5318.879', 'text': 'the broom you'}, {'start': '5317.077', 'end': '5321.416', 'text': 'were naturally linked to an association,'}, {'start': '5317.711', 'end': '5321.416', 'text': 'you were an inmate of freedom'}, {'start': '5318.345', 'end': '5321.416', 'text': 'appeared and manufactured brooms'}, {'start': '5324.519', 'end': '5331.792', 'text': 'there the massage no the massage'}, {'start': '5325.153', 'end': '5336.497', 'text': 'is already something you did'}, {'start': '5325.753', 'end': '5337.498', 'text': 'without an association without you are'}, {'start': '5327.822', 'end': '5338.098', 'text': 'imprisoned.  And I even helped you'}, {'start': '5331.859', 'end': '5342.470', 'text': 'get it on.'}, {'start': '5336.564', 'end': '5342.470', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: Let's go"}, {'start': '5337.565', 'end': '5342.470', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: But no, but I'}, {'start': '5338.165', 'end': '5342.470', 'text': "can't guarantee you anything."}, {'start': '5344.572', 'end': '5349.743', 'text': "There's a lot to talk about, have you"}, {'start': '5345.206', 'end': '5350.544', 'text': "seen what I'm going to say?"}, {'start': '5348.609', 'end': '5351.111', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: It's not that,"}, {'start': '5349.243', 'end': '5356.050', 'text': "but that's what I really want."}, {'start': '5349.810', 'end': '5356.617', 'text': "Let's go back to our gym"}, {'start': '5350.611', 'end': '5358.586', 'text': "because it's already noon."}, {'start': '5355.583', 'end': '5359.186', 'text': "By noon, we've been"}, {'start': '5356.117', 'end': '5359.820', 'text': 'talking here for an hour and a half,'}, {'start': '5356.684', 'end': '5363.624', 'text': 'you see?'}, {'start': '5358.653', 'end': '5364.224', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni:'}, {'start': '5359.253', 'end': '5364.858', 'text': "I'm perfectly used to doing this."}, {'start': '5363.691', 'end': '5368.662', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: No, it's"}, {'start': '5364.291', 'end': '5369.262', 'text': 'me, but I like it.  You know'}, {'start': '5364.925', 'end': '5371.665', 'text': 'I like it if you remember.'}, {'start': '5365.392', 'end': '5376.637', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Me too'}, {'start': '5368.729', 'end': '5376.637', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Just reminding'}, {'start': '5369.329', 'end': '5376.637', 'text': 'internet users that I am.'}, {'start': '5371.732', 'end': '5376.637', 'text': 'as'}, {'start': '5380.741', 'end': '5388.683', 'text': 'my great friend and many times'}, {'start': '5389.784', 'end': '5394.722', 'text': 'and'}, {'start': '5402.897', 'end': '5411.806', 'text': 'then you at 13 years old join,'}, {'start': '5403.597', 'end': '5411.806', 'text': 'we we will'}, {'start': '5404.131', 'end': '5411.806', 'text': 'really need a second one.  part'}, {'start': '5406.834', 'end': '5411.806', 'text': '14'}, {'start': '5413.908', 'end': '5422.850', 'text': 'Okay And this trajectory from high school to'}, {'start': '5414.475', 'end': '5422.850', 'text': "high school.  Let's go?"}, {'start': '5417.912', 'end': '5422.850', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: I go to the gym.'}, {'start': '5423.951', 'end': '5428.890', 'text': 'We go out.'}, {'start': '5429.991', 'end': '5434.896', 'text': 'No, but we will'}, {'start': '5430.491', 'end': '5434.896', 'text': 'continue to give you a summary.'}, {'start': '5439.066', 'end': '5447.975', 'text': 'If you stayed, what you no'}, {'start': '5439.800', 'end': '5447.975', 'text': 'longer had was education.'}, {'start': '5443.037', 'end': '5447.975', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: The gym is'}, {'start': '5443.637', 'end': '5447.975', 'text': 'out.'}, {'start': '5451.078', 'end': '5459.020', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Second grade,'}, {'start': '5451.645', 'end': '5459.020', 'text': 'you were already there.  Then it was out.'}, {'start': '5462.123', 'end': '5470.064', 'text': "Well, I didn't have anything.  And there"}, {'start': '5465.159', 'end': '5470.064', 'text': 'was the following.'}, {'start': '5474.168', 'end': '5484.145', 'text': 'the people who assist us at the'}, {'start': '5474.735', 'end': '5484.145', 'text': 'College of Pedro II do not'}, {'start': '5479.273', 'end': '5484.145', 'text': 'accept the servants.'}, {'start': '5485.246', 'end': '5493.187', 'text': 'In my time, no, not really, after that'}, {'start': '5485.880', 'end': '5493.187', 'text': ', yes, after reaching an agreement on the'}, {'start': '5486.447', 'end': '5493.187', 'text': 'final part of that of 70 and 80.'}, {'start': '5500.328', 'end': '5504.765', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: during the'}, {'start': '5500.895', 'end': '5509.237', 'text': 'research for the dissertation, I think'}, {'start': '5501.529', 'end': '5509.237', 'text': 'I even showed you this'}, {'start': '5504.265', 'end': '5509.237', 'text': '. I found it in the newspaper A Tarde.'}, {'start': '5515.376', 'end': '5520.180', 'text': 'That we 56 57 maybe'}, {'start': '5515.909', 'end': '5524.318', 'text': 'early 60 I have this, I do'}, {'start': '5516.477', 'end': '5524.318', 'text': "n't know exactly"}, {'start': '5519.613', 'end': '5524.318', 'text': "how much now but it's in the dissertation in the"}, {'start': '5520.247', 'end': '5524.318', 'text': 'book.'}, {'start': '5525.453', 'end': '5534.395', 'text': 'I find a report.'}, {'start': '5529.457', 'end': '5534.395', 'text': 'Almost sensationalist.'}, {'start': '5539.567', 'end': '5544.438', 'text': 'Well, finally,'}, {'start': '5548.576', 'end': '5554.549', 'text': 'from Pedro II, through admission and'}, {'start': '5549.210', 'end': '5554.549', 'text': 'such, the guys even did it.'}, {'start': '5549.844', 'end': '5554.549', 'text': 'the guys did'}, {'start': '5555.650', 'end': '5564.625', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: I don't, I don't"}, {'start': '5556.350', 'end': '5565.159', 'text': 'remember this Zé Mário and you'}, {'start': '5556.984', 'end': '5565.759', 'text': 'told me in 56. I swore'}, {'start': '5559.854', 'end': '5566.627', 'text': 'he never.'}, {'start': '5564.692', 'end': '5569.730', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: No, I'}, {'start': '5565.225', 'end': '5574.668', 'text': 'got this text from Jornal'}, {'start': '5565.826', 'end': '5575.235', 'text': 'A Tarde.  That marks me.'}, {'start': '5566.694', 'end': '5575.869', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: yeah yeah yeah'}, {'start': '5569.797', 'end': '5576.536', 'text': 'these'}, {'start': '5574.735', 'end': '5579.640', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Because he'}, {'start': '5575.302', 'end': '5584.645', 'text': "wasn't what I wanted that's what"}, {'start': '5575.936', 'end': '5584.645', 'text': "caught my attention.  He wasn't."}, {'start': '5578.639', 'end': '5584.645', 'text': 'He was not an IBC student.'}, {'start': '5579.707', 'end': '5584.645', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: No.'}, {'start': '5588.816', 'end': '5596.923', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: For me, right?'}, {'start': '5589.416', 'end': '5601.795', 'text': 'As expected and it was and'}, {'start': '5590.017', 'end': '5602.362', 'text': 'his family moved to hear'}, {'start': '5591.752', 'end': '5602.896', 'text': 'exactly because of it.  So that'}, {'start': '5596.990', 'end': '5606.834', 'text': 'He could accomplish this.'}, {'start': '5601.862', 'end': '5607.434', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: I don't"}, {'start': '5602.429', 'end': '5607.968', 'text': 'remember this guy and Pedro.'}, {'start': '5602.963', 'end': '5615.810', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: but'}, {'start': '5606.901', 'end': '5615.810', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: According to Pedro'}, {'start': '5607.501', 'end': '5615.810', 'text': 'Segundo.  He resisted and look'}, {'start': '5608.035', 'end': '5615.810', 'text': '.  in 1946,'}, {'start': '5617.912', 'end': '5622.817', 'text': 'the MEC equated the'}, {'start': '5618.479', 'end': '5622.817', 'text': 'Benjamin Constant Aldo Pedro II gymnasium.'}, {'start': '5623.918', 'end': '5633.928', 'text': "So, I'm not discussing the"}, {'start': '5624.618', 'end': '5633.928', 'text': "quality, I'm"}, {'start': '5625.219', 'end': '5633.928', 'text': 'talking in legal terms.'}, {'start': '5628.989', 'end': '5633.928', 'text': 'So'}, {'start': '5641.035', 'end': '5643.137', 'text': 'the people at'}, {'start': '5641.602', 'end': '5645.940', 'text': "Benjamin's gymnasium could"}, {'start': '5642.002', 'end': '5645.940', 'text': 'easily enter'}, {'start': '5642.603', 'end': '5645.940', 'text': "Pedro Segundo's high school because"}, {'start': '5649.043', 'end': '5657.651', 'text': "Pedro Segundo didn't"}, {'start': '5649.677', 'end': '5661.055', 'text': 'open down.  And we all do.'}, {'start': '5657.118', 'end': '5666.060', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Even worse.'}, {'start': '5661.122', 'end': '5666.060', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: the state'}, {'start': '5672.199', 'end': '5677.071', 'text': 'that had wonderful education.   I do'}, {'start': '5672.799', 'end': '5677.071', 'text': "n't know, I've already forgotten the name of the"}, {'start': '5673.366', 'end': '5677.071', 'text': 'school, right?  And'}, {'start': '5682.209', 'end': '5687.148', 'text': 'let me cancel that voice.'}, {'start': '5689.250', 'end': '5694.188', 'text': 'then'}, {'start': '5702.329', 'end': '5710.237', 'text': '50 the first school'}, {'start': '5716.377', 'end': '5733.394', 'text': 'at Colégio Maria Soares was'}, {'start': '5716.944', 'end': '5733.394', 'text': 'upper middle class.  same And the'}, {'start': '5723.483', 'end': '5733.394', 'text': 'teacher?  first person'}, {'start': '5736.497', 'end': '5741.402', 'text': "who accepted servants.  That's when"}, {'start': '5737.064', 'end': '5741.402', 'text': 'Edson came in, and Hernane was the'}, {'start': '5737.631', 'end': '5741.402', 'text': 'first to come in.'}, {'start': '5743.504', 'end': '5750.444', 'text': 'Are you understanding there at Malhação?'}, {'start': '5744.104', 'end': '5750.444', 'text': 'So she opens it and then'}, {'start': '5744.638', 'end': '5750.444', 'text': 'other schools accept it.'}, {'start': '5752.546', 'end': '5757.518', 'text': 'Other schools started when I was in'}, {'start': '5753.146', 'end': '5757.518', 'text': 'high school, and there were already'}, {'start': '5758.619', 'end': '5763.290', 'text': 'other schools that'}, {'start': '5759.086', 'end': '5767.528', 'text': 'accepted them, of course, but'}, {'start': '5759.620', 'end': '5767.528', 'text': 'Soares Law was the first school and'}, {'start': '5762.756', 'end': '5767.528', 'text': 'an upper middle class school.'}, {'start': '5768.629', 'end': '5775.603', 'text': 'who accepted Benjamin'}, {'start': '5769.129', 'end': '5775.603', 'text': 'Constante there did the following: he'}, {'start': '5769.596', 'end': '5775.603', 'text': 'tried to place the'}, {'start': '5770.664', 'end': '5775.603', 'text': 'best students he had in ballet.'}, {'start': '5780.708', 'end': '5788.215', 'text': "Well, then it's debatable, but in"}, {'start': '5781.275', 'end': '5788.715', 'text': 'my time I thought it was'}, {'start': '5781.809', 'end': '5792.653', 'text': "debatable, but let's say it like that."}, {'start': '5787.681', 'end': '5792.653', 'text': 'they looked for took to see'}, {'start': '5788.281', 'end': '5792.653', 'text': 'what kind of present'}, {'start': '5788.782', 'end': '5792.653', 'text': 'best.'}, {'start': '5793.754', 'end': '5798.692', 'text': 'I'}, {'start': '5803.797', 'end': '5810.170', 'text': 'fought and I succeeded, but they'}, {'start': '5804.264', 'end': '5814.775', 'text': "warned me, after that you didn't"}, {'start': '5804.864', 'end': '5814.775', 'text': 'need to get a ticket, you went for'}, {'start': '5807.034', 'end': '5814.775', 'text': "it.  But I didn't know I was"}, {'start': '5810.236', 'end': '5814.775', 'text': "going, you know, I don't know.   Did"}, {'start': '5815.876', 'end': '5822.616', 'text': 'you understand?  Then I started going to the'}, {'start': '5816.476', 'end': '5826.821', 'text': 'Institute and trying, I already'}, {'start': '5820.113', 'end': '5826.821', 'text': 'want one of those.  one thing'}, {'start': '5822.048', 'end': '5826.821', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: There you already'}, {'start': '5822.682', 'end': '5826.821', 'text': 'had it.'}, {'start': '5827.922', 'end': '5835.896', 'text': 'Who paid?'}, {'start': '5830.925', 'end': '5835.896', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: full'}, {'start': '5839.066', 'end': '5846.273', 'text': 'Full scholarship'}, {'start': '5839.533', 'end': '5850.077', 'text': 'including a diploma that'}, {'start': '5840.000', 'end': '5853.113', 'text': 'also allows'}, {'start': '5842.102', 'end': '5858.018', 'text': 'you to pay nothing.  You'}, {'start': '5846.340', 'end': '5858.018', 'text': 'paid absolutely nothing.  And I'}, {'start': '5850.143', 'end': '5858.018', 'text': "'ll tell you what.  a"}, {'start': '5853.179', 'end': '5858.018', 'text': 'Soares law'}, {'start': '5861.155', 'end': '5864.391', 'text': 'I had a full scholarship because I'}, {'start': '5861.822', 'end': '5869.096', 'text': 'was not discriminated against, you were'}, {'start': '5862.356', 'end': '5869.096', 'text': "treated equally, that's what I"}, {'start': '5862.856', 'end': '5869.096', 'text': 'want.  We were treated'}, {'start': '5864.458', 'end': '5869.096', 'text': 'equally.'}, {'start': '5870.230', 'end': '5877.104', 'text': 'And everyone knew that we had it'}, {'start': '5870.830', 'end': '5877.104', 'text': "in our pocket, it wasn't"}, {'start': '5871.464', 'end': '5877.104', 'text': 'hidden either.'}, {'start': '5878.238', 'end': '5883.143', 'text': 'That we had and'}, {'start': '5889.283', 'end': '5899.292', 'text': 'I had the privilege of being'}, {'start': '5889.816', 'end': '5899.826', 'text': 'very good here not wrong for'}, {'start': '5890.450', 'end': '5904.231', 'text': 'my classes because the people'}, {'start': '5894.555', 'end': '5904.231', 'text': 'loved to study with me I went.  And'}, {'start': '5899.359', 'end': '5904.231', 'text': 'since she was upper middle class it'}, {'start': '5899.893', 'end': '5904.231', 'text': 'was common.'}, {'start': '5905.332', 'end': '5910.504', 'text': 'I was invited to have'}, {'start': '5905.865', 'end': '5911.005', 'text': "lunch at my classmates' house"}, {'start': '5906.466', 'end': '5911.605', 'text': 'because they wanted to'}, {'start': '5907.000', 'end': '5915.676', 'text': 'study with me when'}, {'start': '5910.571', 'end': '5916.277', 'text': "some of them didn't have the"}, {'start': '5911.071', 'end': '5921.315', 'text': 'constant thought of being'}, {'start': '5911.672', 'end': '5921.315', 'text': "with me.  Did you understand?  I've had this happen to"}, {'start': '5915.743', 'end': '5921.315', 'text': "me and I've met people who later"}, {'start': '5916.343', 'end': '5921.315', 'text': "told me they didn't.   That's"}, {'start': '5923.417', 'end': '5936.397', 'text': "good, but it's each to their own,"}, {'start': '5924.017', 'end': '5936.397', 'text': "I can't argue,"}, {'start': '5924.685', 'end': '5936.397', 'text': "but I don't really.  you know"}, {'start': '5931.524', 'end': '5936.397', 'text': 'loaded in a good way'}, {'start': '5943.504', 'end': '5948.442', 'text': "So, I can't talk."}, {'start': '5950.544', 'end': '5958.485', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Neither'}, {'start': '5951.077', 'end': '5958.485', 'text': 'discrimination against you because you are a scholarship holder'}, {'start': '5951.778', 'end': '5958.485', 'text': 'nor because you are blind.'}, {'start': '5953.580', 'end': '5958.485', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: now'}, {'start': '5962.589', 'end': '5964.724', 'text': 'there was natural discrimination'}, {'start': '5963.256', 'end': '5966.727', 'text': 'at recess, we stayed'}, {'start': '5963.756', 'end': '5967.461', 'text': 'inside the classroom more, but it was an'}, {'start': '5964.290', 'end': '5968.061', 'text': 'option.  Wow, if we'}, {'start': '5964.791', 'end': '5973.833', 'text': 'wanted to go down.  No one would'}, {'start': '5966.793', 'end': '5974.367', 'text': "say no, you can't, you have to"}, {'start': '5967.528', 'end': '5974.968', 'text': 'stay inside the'}, {'start': '5968.562', 'end': '5978.972', 'text': 'classroom, understand?  And I had a'}, {'start': '5973.900', 'end': '5979.540', 'text': 'detail: I was in the'}, {'start': '5974.434', 'end': '5985.579', 'text': 'classroom and we were in the'}, {'start': '5978.572', 'end': '5985.579', 'text': 'classroom with me, people who'}, {'start': '5979.039', 'end': '5985.579', 'text': 'could see were in the'}, {'start': '5979.606', 'end': '5985.579', 'text': 'classroom with me.  Did you understand?'}, {'start': '5991.752', 'end': '6001.094', 'text': 'No.'}, {'start': '5995.756', 'end': '6001.761', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: It's just that you"}, {'start': '5996.423', 'end': '6007.768', 'text': 'have a characteristic that is yours,'}, {'start': '5997.024', 'end': '6009.736', 'text': 'right?  You are you are approachable,'}, {'start': '6001.161', 'end': '6010.303', 'text': 'you are you are Unlike'}, {'start': '6001.828', 'end': '6013.139', 'text': 'me.  It is placed.'}, {'start': '6007.835', 'end': '6016.777', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: like this'}, {'start': '6009.803', 'end': '6017.411', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: I am already'}, {'start': '6010.370', 'end': '6021.882', 'text': "more.  I'm already a retroline."}, {'start': '6016.844', 'end': '6023.150', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: No, I'}, {'start': '6017.478', 'end': '6023.717', 'text': 'really do.  That is true.  Of course,'}, {'start': '6021.949', 'end': '6026.820', 'text': 'it will depend a lot on each'}, {'start': '6022.616', 'end': '6027.454', 'text': 'person, right?  Like each'}, {'start': '6023.217', 'end': '6031.858', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: exactly'}, {'start': '6026.887', 'end': '6036.864', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: I don't have"}, {'start': '6027.521', 'end': '6036.864', 'text': 'that problem.'}, {'start': '6031.925', 'end': '6036.864', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Are you?'}, {'start': '6044.972', 'end': '6050.510', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: It's classic, I"}, {'start': '6045.606', 'end': '6051.111', 'text': 'chose the classic, I had the'}, {'start': '6046.139', 'end': '6054.915', 'text': 'possibility of going to the'}, {'start': '6049.977', 'end': '6054.915', 'text': 'scientific one and see, if I'}, {'start': '6050.577', 'end': '6054.915', 'text': 'wanted to go to the scientific one, I would go.'}, {'start': '6057.017', 'end': '6059.552', 'text': 'Well, nobody told me when'}, {'start': '6057.617', 'end': '6060.987', 'text': "the classic came out that it didn't have this."}, {'start': '6059.019', 'end': '6063.990', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: your choice'}, {'start': '6061.054', 'end': '6068.996', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: I had no'}, {'start': '6061.621', 'end': '6068.996', 'text': 'choice.'}, {'start': '6064.057', 'end': '6068.996', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: You step out'}, {'start': '6064.657', 'end': '6068.996', 'text': 'of education a little and come in.'}, {'start': '6071.131', 'end': '6076.036', 'text': 'in 1964'}, {'start': '6079.106', 'end': '6090.117', 'text': 'at 18 years old, the year he would have turned'}, {'start': '6079.673', 'end': '6095.122', 'text': '19'}, {'start': '6081.141', 'end': '6095.122', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: that's it"}, {'start': '6085.145', 'end': '6095.122', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: How was it?'}, {'start': '6090.184', 'end': '6095.122', 'text': 'How was 64?'}, {'start': '6099.259', 'end': '6106.166', 'text': 'What is it?'}, {'start': '6101.261', 'end': '6106.166', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: What's wrong?"}, {'start': '6111.271', 'end': '6119.246', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: Don't you want to know"}, {'start': '6111.838', 'end': '6119.746', 'text': 'how you behaved, boy?'}, {'start': '6112.438', 'end': '6121.248', 'text': 'How did you notice ready how did'}, {'start': '6113.072', 'end': '6126.286', 'text': 'you notice blow?'}, {'start': '6119.313', 'end': '6126.286', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: To be'}, {'start': '6119.813', 'end': '6126.286', 'text': 'distant.'}, {'start': '6121.315', 'end': '6126.286', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: remembering'}, {'start': '6133.393', 'end': '6142.369', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni:'}, {'start': '6133.926', 'end': '6142.369', 'text': 'Such a scary thing.'}, {'start': '6137.431', 'end': '6142.369', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: That he was'}, {'start': '6138.031', 'end': '6142.369', 'text': 'a communist, is that it?'}, {'start': '6154.548', 'end': '6159.453', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Of course, you'}, {'start': '6155.148', 'end': '6159.453', 'text': "don't believe that you"}, {'start': '6162.556', 'end': '6167.494', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Let me'}, {'start': '6163.089', 'end': '6167.494', 'text': 'make another parenthesis here.'}, {'start': '6169.630', 'end': '6175.335', 'text': 'At your age, I thought'}, {'start': '6170.097', 'end': '6177.604', 'text': 'exactly like that, Mauricio. What'}, {'start': '6170.697', 'end': '6179.539', 'text': "'s worse, I"}, {'start': '6174.801', 'end': '6180.039', 'text': 'attributed it to'}, {'start': '6175.402', 'end': '6184.578', 'text': 'my lack of information.  and'}, {'start': '6177.670', 'end': '6184.578', 'text': 'my lack of information.'}, {'start': '6179.606', 'end': '6184.578', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Mine'}, {'start': '6180.106', 'end': '6184.578', 'text': 'too.   It'}, {'start': '6191.718', 'end': '6195.455', 'text': "'s not for that reason now I"}, {'start': '6192.318', 'end': '6199.660', 'text': 'had Leonardo Brizola speaking'}, {'start': '6192.919', 'end': '6199.660', 'text': 'every night on Mairinque Veiga'}, {'start': '6194.988', 'end': '6199.660', 'text': 'but I watched Globo and'}, {'start': '6195.521', 'end': '6199.660', 'text': 'Tupi.'}, {'start': '6200.761', 'end': '6207.834', 'text': "I watched his group, I didn't"}, {'start': '6201.395', 'end': '6215.709', 'text': 'like watching Brizola.'}, {'start': '6205.699', 'end': '6215.709', 'text': "In other words, I wasn't as"}, {'start': '6206.299', 'end': '6215.709', 'text': 'misinformed as you were.  I was.'}, {'start': '6210.737', 'end': '6215.709', 'text': 'this'}, {'start': '6216.810', 'end': '6229.790', 'text': 'against'}, {'start': '6221.848', 'end': '6229.790', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: It works.'}, {'start': '6224.851', 'end': '6229.790', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Lacerda was the'}, {'start': '6225.451', 'end': '6229.790', 'text': 'best.'}, {'start': '6236.897', 'end': '6244.805', 'text': "That was it.  I'm telling you it"}, {'start': '6237.531', 'end': '6244.805', 'text': 'was like this.  It was like that.'}, {'start': '6247.941', 'end': '6252.879', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: calm down'}, {'start': '6256.016', 'end': '6258.184', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: I was'}, {'start': '6256.483', 'end': '6258.752', 'text': 'left-wing in the Faculty of'}, {'start': '6257.050', 'end': '6259.352', 'text': "Social Sciences and I'll tell you"}, {'start': '6257.684', 'end': '6264.958', 'text': "more, I became left-wing, I'm"}, {'start': '6258.251', 'end': '6264.958', 'text': "self-taught and up to this point I'm left-wing,"}, {'start': '6258.818', 'end': '6264.958', 'text': "I'm not high on"}, {'start': '6259.419', 'end': '6264.958', 'text': "anything.  There wasn't.   There"}, {'start': '6267.060', 'end': '6271.999', 'text': "wasn't that either."}, {'start': '6274.101', 'end': '6278.571', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: College'}, {'start': '6274.701', 'end': '6281.007', 'text': 'was also my'}, {'start': '6275.068', 'end': '6281.574', 'text': 'distorter.'}, {'start': '6278.071', 'end': '6286.580', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: I recognize it, okay'}, {'start': '6278.638', 'end': '6291.084', 'text': '?'}, {'start': '6281.074', 'end': '6291.751', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: I entered.'}, {'start': '6286.046', 'end': '6296.089', 'text': 'In the first two semesters of'}, {'start': '6286.646', 'end': '6296.089', 'text': 'college I was treated like a reactionary.    I'}, {'start': '6291.151', 'end': '6296.089', 'text': "think I didn't even know what"}, {'start': '6291.818', 'end': '6296.089', 'text': 'assa was, let alone what.'}, {'start': '6298.191', 'end': '6300.760', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Look, no, I'}, {'start': '6298.858', 'end': '6305.132', 'text': 'had a very'}, {'start': '6299.425', 'end': '6305.132', 'text': 'reasonable notion.'}, {'start': '6300.227', 'end': '6305.132', 'text': ">> Jorge Damasceno: No, I didn't"}, {'start': '6300.827', 'end': '6305.132', 'text': '.'}, {'start': '6306.233', 'end': '6311.138', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: She found'}, {'start': '6306.766', 'end': '6311.138', 'text': 'something else very interesting to me'}, {'start': '6307.267', 'end': '6311.138', 'text': '.'}, {'start': '6313.240', 'end': '6318.578', 'text': 'Because I was used to a'}, {'start': '6313.807', 'end': '6327.220', 'text': 'type of teaching that was more prone to'}, {'start': '6314.407', 'end': '6327.854', 'text': 'rote learning than anything else'}, {'start': '6315.475', 'end': '6328.555', 'text': '.  When I go to a'}, {'start': '6318.645', 'end': '6332.259', 'text': 'Léa Soares.  two teachers'}, {'start': '6327.287', 'end': '6332.259', 'text': 'Who will meet me the following,'}, {'start': '6327.921', 'end': '6332.259', 'text': 'you have to think.  You have.'}, {'start': '6333.393', 'end': '6342.302', 'text': 'Is there a thing in History'}, {'start': '6333.994', 'end': '6342.302', 'text': 'called cause and consequence?'}, {'start': '6337.397', 'end': '6342.302', 'text': "You knew that, didn't you?"}, {'start': '6344.371', 'end': '6349.309', 'text': 'And then they will teach me more or'}, {'start': '6345.005', 'end': '6349.309', 'text': 'less how to reason.'}, {'start': '6351.411', 'end': '6361.355', 'text': 'second grade'}, {'start': '6351.678', 'end': '6361.355', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: in the second'}, {'start': '6352.245', 'end': '6361.355', 'text': 'grade'}, {'start': '6356.450', 'end': '6361.355', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Got it?'}, {'start': '6364.491', 'end': '6369.396', 'text': "And I'll say this."}, {'start': '6372.566', 'end': '6377.437', 'text': 'I damn the teacher.'}, {'start': '6381.541', 'end': '6389.950', 'text': 'forced me to read two authors'}, {'start': '6382.108', 'end': '6394.521', 'text': 'that the unfortunate madman as'}, {'start': '6382.708', 'end': '6394.521', 'text': 'Bolsonaro would say.  the wretched'}, {'start': '6389.516', 'end': '6394.521', 'text': 'Celso Furtado and Caio Prado'}, {'start': '6390.016', 'end': '6394.521', 'text': 'Júnior'}, {'start': '6395.622', 'end': '6400.560', 'text': 'there are no good'}, {'start': '6407.701', 'end': '6412.606', 'text': 'In the first year, mind you.'}, {'start': '6415.709', 'end': '6417.844', 'text': 'Later I discovered that people'}, {'start': '6416.309', 'end': '6422.682', 'text': 'at the college already had'}, {'start': '6416.743', 'end': '6427.654', 'text': 'difficulty with these books, but'}, {'start': '6417.310', 'end': '6427.654', 'text': 'in the first year I was forced to.'}, {'start': '6418.645', 'end': '6427.654', 'text': 'to understand Caio Prado Júnior'}, {'start': '6422.749', 'end': '6427.654', 'text': 'right'}, {'start': '6429.789', 'end': '6439.799', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Celso must have'}, {'start': '6430.356', 'end': '6440.366', 'text': 'been an economic formation of'}, {'start': '6431.023', 'end': '6444.771', 'text': 'Brazil, right.  economic history'}, {'start': '6435.161', 'end': '6444.771', 'text': 'of Brazil exactly'}, {'start': '6439.866', 'end': '6444.771', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Now along'}, {'start': '6440.433', 'end': '6444.771', 'text': 'with these I also read'}, {'start': '6445.872', 'end': '6450.811', 'text': "Roberto Simonsen's"}, {'start': '6446.372', 'end': '6450.811', 'text': 'voluminous book on the'}, {'start': '6446.873', 'end': '6450.811', 'text': 'Economic History of Brazil.  You must'}, {'start': '6447.573', 'end': '6450.811', 'text': 'know.'}, {'start': '6452.913', 'end': '6463.256', 'text': 'Which was, you see, a much'}, {'start': '6453.513', 'end': '6463.756', 'text': 'more factual book.  But what did he give you if'}, {'start': '6458.218', 'end': '6467.894', 'text': 'he had our'}, {'start': '6458.718', 'end': '6467.894', 'text': "economic presence?  Well, that wasn't the"}, {'start': '6463.322', 'end': '6467.894', 'text': 'case with your'}, {'start': '6463.823', 'end': '6467.894', 'text': 'f****** contacts.'}, {'start': '6468.995', 'end': '6475.936', 'text': 'Okay, but be careful, if you get'}, {'start': '6469.629', 'end': '6475.936', 'text': "Celso Furtado, I'll get Caio Prado."}, {'start': '6471.031', 'end': '6475.936', 'text': 'you could perfectly.'}, {'start': '6479.039', 'end': '6483.977', 'text': 'Because they were talking about the'}, {'start': '6479.639', 'end': '6483.977', 'text': 'Cattle era at that time.'}, {'start': '6485.078', 'end': '6491.650', 'text': "Right, but Roberto, if it wasn't an"}, {'start': '6485.678', 'end': '6496.056', 'text': 'economic cycle.  so'}, {'start': '6487.246', 'end': '6496.056', 'text': 'we read all three.  the three'}, {'start': '6491.117', 'end': '6496.056', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: according to gra'}, {'start': '6505.198', 'end': '6510.070', 'text': 'The books he now saw'}, {'start': '6505.731', 'end': '6510.070', 'text': 'authors.'}, {'start': '6512.205', 'end': '6520.146', 'text': 'The second degree is being done'}, {'start': '6512.805', 'end': '6520.146', 'text': 'in 19.65'}, {'start': '6526.286', 'end': '6536.263', 'text': 'in the heart of Redentora'}, {'start': '6531.324', 'end': '6536.263', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Redentora'}, {'start': '6541.368', 'end': '6543.869', 'text': 'I thought they said'}, {'start': '6541.868', 'end': '6547.507', 'text': 'Redentora, I think it was'}, {'start': '6542.369', 'end': '6548.074', 'text': "Redentora.  I don't know."}, {'start': '6543.336', 'end': '6548.441', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: But you'}, {'start': '6543.936', 'end': '6550.310', 'text': 'reached the end of high school'}, {'start': '6547.574', 'end': '6555.315', 'text': 'still with the same way of'}, {'start': '6548.141', 'end': '6555.315', 'text': 'thinking as in 64.'}, {'start': '6548.508', 'end': '6555.315', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: No.'}, {'start': '6550.377', 'end': '6555.315', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: not there'}, {'start': '6556.416', 'end': '6563.356', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: No, but'}, {'start': '6556.983', 'end': '6563.356', 'text': "I still can't"}, {'start': '6557.684', 'end': '6563.356', 'text': 'be called left-wing.  I'}, {'start': '6558.484', 'end': '6563.356', 'text': "wasn't yet."}, {'start': '6564.491', 'end': '6576.736', 'text': 'What do you have an idea, I'}, {'start': '6565.091', 'end': '6586.446', 'text': 'had a quest.  I remember'}, {'start': '6569.696', 'end': '6586.446', 'text': 'perfectly that in 196. I was'}, {'start': '6574.567', 'end': '6586.446', 'text': 'thinking.  old habits'}, {'start': '6581.474', 'end': '6586.446', 'text': 'and'}, {'start': '6589.549', 'end': '6593.352', 'text': 'And when I found out that I'}, {'start': '6590.082', 'end': '6597.490', 'text': 'should be even I stopped'}, {'start': '6590.616', 'end': '6597.490', 'text': "thinking a little.  I say I can't"}, {'start': '6592.885', 'end': '6597.490', 'text': 'help but believe in'}, {'start': '6593.419', 'end': '6597.490', 'text': 'God.'}, {'start': '6600.660', 'end': '6608.602', 'text': "but my brain couldn't"}, {'start': '6601.193', 'end': '6608.602', 'text': 'resist and then I kept'}, {'start': '6601.694', 'end': '6608.602', 'text': "thinking, you see, I don't"}, {'start': '6603.863', 'end': '6608.602', 'text': 'mean it at all.'}, {'start': '6609.703', 'end': '6613.205', 'text': 'That atheists are more'}, {'start': '6610.170', 'end': '6617.577', 'text': 'intelligent, no,'}, {'start': '6610.804', 'end': '6617.577', 'text': "she doesn't mean that at all. I"}, {'start': '6612.705', 'end': '6617.577', 'text': 'mean that my logic'}, {'start': '6613.272', 'end': '6617.577', 'text': 'led me to that.'}, {'start': '6618.678', 'end': '6623.650', 'text': "Other people's logic doesn't"}, {'start': '6619.312', 'end': '6623.650', 'text': 'stop there, I know'}, {'start': '6619.845', 'end': '6623.650', 'text': 'very'}, {'start': '6625.752', 'end': '6633.693', 'text': 'well-founded Christians who'}, {'start': '6626.252', 'end': '6633.693', 'text': 'defend the presence of God'}, {'start': '6626.786', 'end': '6633.693', 'text': 'very well, right?  And today I am'}, {'start': '6628.821', 'end': '6633.693', 'text': 'not only agnostic, do you'}, {'start': '6634.828', 'end': '6639.733', 'text': 'understand?'}, {'start': '6640.834', 'end': '6645.739', 'text': 'Then I really start to be'}, {'start': '6641.367', 'end': '6645.739', 'text': 'left-wing.'}, {'start': '6648.842', 'end': '6654.581', 'text': 'But it was something that I wanted'}, {'start': '6649.409', 'end': '6656.816', 'text': 'to engage with, I went to the'}, {'start': '6649.943', 'end': '6657.416', 'text': 'left as an author who'}, {'start': '6654.114', 'end': '6659.852', 'text': 'is not capable of voting for anyone on the'}, {'start': '6654.647', 'end': '6665.158', 'text': 'left.  I think the only'}, {'start': '6656.883', 'end': '6669.896', 'text': 'comrade who goes to the left'}, {'start': '6657.483', 'end': '6669.896', 'text': 'because of this author is me.'}, {'start': '6659.919', 'end': '6669.896', 'text': 'Franz Kafka But mine He'}, {'start': '6665.225', 'end': '6669.896', 'text': 'spoke.'}, {'start': '6670.997', 'end': '6685.377', 'text': 'And a detail happens in 1969. I'}, {'start': '6674.967', 'end': '6685.911', 'text': 'had a friend'}, {'start': '6675.501', 'end': '6689.983', 'text': 'with me in Malé.  And she is for'}, {'start': '6680.206', 'end': '6689.983', 'text': 'me.  And from noon to two in the'}, {'start': '6685.444', 'end': '6689.983', 'text': 'afternoon, she took out a small'}, {'start': '6685.978', 'end': '6689.983', 'text': 'book.'}, {'start': '6691.084', 'end': '6698.024', 'text': 'She read it straight through'}, {'start': '6693.119', 'end': '6698.024', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: out of breath'}, {'start': '6699.125', 'end': '6707.067', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: You took it'}, {'start': '6699.792', 'end': '6707.067', 'text': 'and I skipped it for a day, two'}, {'start': '6700.326', 'end': '6707.067', 'text': 'days, then I started.  Thinking'}, {'start': '6702.295', 'end': '6707.067', 'text': 'about metamorphosis.'}, {'start': '6710.136', 'end': '6715.075', 'text': 'thinking half I spent 6'}, {'start': '6710.669', 'end': '6715.075', 'text': 'months depressed from thinking so much'}, {'start': '6711.270', 'end': '6715.075', 'text': 'about metamorphosis.'}, {'start': '6716.176', 'end': '6725.151', 'text': 'I discovered that I was'}, {'start': '6716.609', 'end': '6725.151', 'text': 'discriminatory.  What was the'}, {'start': '6720.412', 'end': '6725.151', 'text': 'family like?'}, {'start': '6728.254', 'end': '6733.026', 'text': "I was Gregório França's family"}, {'start': '6728.787', 'end': '6740.633', 'text': ', I said I thought I'}, {'start': '6729.355', 'end': '6741.200', 'text': "'m blind I can't think"}, {'start': '6732.492', 'end': '6745.404', 'text': 'like these people and I thought.   Did'}, {'start': '6735.228', 'end': '6746.005', 'text': 'you understand?  I spent six months'}, {'start': '6740.699', 'end': '6746.572', 'text': 'struggling and after six'}, {'start': '6741.267', 'end': '6749.642', 'text': 'months I am a scientist.  And'}, {'start': '6745.471', 'end': '6750.142', 'text': 'nowadays, you know I really am'}, {'start': '6746.071', 'end': '6753.346', 'text': '.  You know that I am a'}, {'start': '6746.639', 'end': '6757.350', 'text': 'socialist, a socialist that'}, {'start': '6749.708', 'end': '6757.884', 'text': 'we could call'}, {'start': '6750.209', 'end': '6759.385', 'text': 'radical.  Did you understand?'}, {'start': '6753.413', 'end': '6759.952', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: beauty'}, {'start': '6757.417', 'end': '6760.386', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: and led to'}, {'start': '6757.950', 'end': '6761.053', 'text': 'this by the metamorphosis of coffee'}, {'start': '6759.452', 'end': '6765.358', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: metamorphs'}, {'start': '6760.453', 'end': '6765.358', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: It's difficult, right?"}, {'start': '6767.527', 'end': '6774.500', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: Here'}, {'start': '6768.127', 'end': '6774.934', 'text': 'we are concluding this'}, {'start': '6768.628', 'end': '6776.569', 'text': 'first part that we have been'}, {'start': '6769.128', 'end': '6780.473', 'text': 'doing for almost 12:30.  I'}, {'start': '6774.567', 'end': '6781.107', 'text': 'suspected we would'}, {'start': '6775.001', 'end': '6784.844', 'text': 'need more.  Some'}, {'start': '6776.636', 'end': '6785.411', 'text': 'Episodes, right?'}, {'start': '6780.540', 'end': '6789.482', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: Look if you'}, {'start': '6781.174', 'end': '6789.482', 'text': 'want.  to really explore my'}, {'start': '6784.911', 'end': '6789.482', 'text': 'trajectory you will need'}, {'start': '6785.478', 'end': '6789.482', 'text': 'three plus two.'}, {'start': '6794.621', 'end': '6796.689', 'text': 'Unless you want to'}, {'start': '6795.221', 'end': '6797.257', 'text': "wear yourself out and we're not going to"}, {'start': '6795.822', 'end': '6800.860', 'text': "skip it, we'll leave it"}, {'start': '6796.189', 'end': '6801.427', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: No.'}, {'start': '6796.756', 'end': '6802.128', 'text': '>> Mauricio Zeni: that aside,'}, {'start': '6797.323', 'end': '6805.631', 'text': 'not this here.  And when you join the'}, {'start': '6800.927', 'end': '6806.265', 'text': 'military and when you join'}, {'start': '6801.494', 'end': '6806.899', 'text': 'militancy, how do you'}, {'start': '6802.194', 'end': '6809.669', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: well'}, {'start': '6805.698', 'end': '6810.303', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: I haven't"}, {'start': '6806.332', 'end': '6812.705', 'text': "joined yet.  No, I haven't gotten"}, {'start': '6806.966', 'end': '6817.644', 'text': 'there yet.'}, {'start': '6809.736', 'end': '6817.644', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: We are not'}, {'start': '6810.370', 'end': '6817.644', 'text': 'stopping exactly in 1969. And'}, {'start': '6812.771', 'end': '6817.644', 'text': 'where is it?'}, {'start': '6819.779', 'end': '6824.684', 'text': 'Mauricio for today'}, {'start': '6833.826', 'end': '6838.765', 'text': 'Hi, where are you?'}, {'start': '6843.836', 'end': '6848.808', 'text': 'No.'}, {'start': '6896.122', 'end': '6902.094', 'text': 'No no I got a nice cut'}, {'start': '6896.789', 'end': '6902.661', 'text': 'exactly as I had'}, {'start': '6897.289', 'end': '6907.100', 'text': 'asked you for just for today.'}, {'start': '6902.161', 'end': '6907.100', 'text': ">> Mauricio Zeni: Oh, I didn't see"}, {'start': '6902.728', 'end': '6907.100', 'text': 'that.'}, {'start': '6912.205', 'end': '6920.146', 'text': "Well, I'm saying goodbye, I said goodbye"}, {'start': '6912.805', 'end': '6920.146', 'text': 'when people come, next'}, {'start': '6913.372', 'end': '6920.146', 'text': 'time there will be more.  say what?'}, {'start': '6933.326', 'end': '6939.632', 'text': '>> Jorge Damasceno: The conversation is'}, {'start': '6933.893', 'end': '6944.237', 'text': 'quite pleasant, exactly the'}, {'start': '6934.493', 'end': '6944.237', 'text': 'way he knows how to do it, I'}, {'start': '6935.094', 'end': '6944.237', 'text': "learned from you.  I'm not like"}, {'start': '6939.698', 'end': '6944.237', 'text': "that. I'm not that good. I'm"}, {'start': '6946.372', 'end': '6955.315', 'text': "learning from you and I'm able to"}, {'start': '6946.972', 'end': '6955.315', 'text': 'drive a little better.  This'}, {'start': '6950.442', 'end': '6955.315', 'text': 'conversation.'}, {'start': '6959.419', 'end': '6967.727', 'text': 'Come watch and want to'}, {'start': '6959.886', 'end': '6972.432', 'text': 'comment.  And as Maurício would say,'}, {'start': '6963.823', 'end': '6972.432', 'text': 'press it or give that little like, it'}, {'start': '6964.390', 'end': '6972.432', 'text': "'s good, right?  It doesn't hurt,"}, {'start': '6967.793', 'end': '6972.432', 'text': 'right?'}]