UNRELIABLE ENERGY: Spain is 'misleading' public on cause of blackouts, journalist says
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[{'start': '0.000', 'end': '5.120', 'text': 'Europe experiencing a historic crossber'}, {'start': '2.960', 'end': '8.240', 'text': "power outage on Monday and the region's"}, {'start': '5.120', 'end': '11.519', 'text': 'leaders are doing everything possible to'}, {'start': '8.240', 'end': '13.679', 'text': 'not blame renewable energy. Millions in'}, {'start': '11.519', 'end': '15.759', 'text': 'Spain, Portugal, even parts of France'}, {'start': '13.679', 'end': '17.880', 'text': 'suffering unprecedented blackouts that'}, {'start': '15.759', 'end': '20.480', 'text': 'left people stuck in'}, {'start': '17.880', 'end': '22.960', 'text': 'elevators, walking through subway'}, {'start': '20.480', 'end': '25.279', 'text': 'tunnels, and leaving their cars on the'}, {'start': '22.960', 'end': '27.519', 'text': 'road. Renewable energy was responsible'}, {'start': '25.279', 'end': '29.359', 'text': "for 2thirds roughly of Spain's"}, {'start': '27.519', 'end': '31.840', 'text': 'electricity production just before the'}, {'start': '29.359', 'end': '34.480', 'text': 'lights went out, over half from solar'}, {'start': '31.840', 'end': '36.399', 'text': 'power alone. Our next guest believes the'}, {'start': '34.480', 'end': '39.280', 'text': "Spanish government isn't telling us the"}, {'start': '36.399', 'end': '42.000', 'text': 'whole truth. Joining us now is public'}, {'start': '39.280', 'end': '43.520', 'text': 'news founder Michael Shelonburgger.'}, {'start': '42.000', 'end': '46.079', 'text': 'Michael, so I want to just read to you'}, {'start': '43.520', 'end': '50.160', 'text': 'quickly. Here is a headline about this'}, {'start': '46.079', 'end': '52.719', 'text': 'exact moment in Spain from Reuters. The'}, {'start': '50.160', 'end': '55.640', 'text': 'headline is, "Don\'t blame renewables for'}, {'start': '52.719', 'end': '59.520', 'text': 'Spain\'s power outage." Then this is the'}, {'start': '55.640', 'end': '61.399', 'text': 'second sentence of the story. The issue'}, {'start': '59.520', 'end': '64.159', 'text': 'appears to be the management of'}, {'start': '61.399', 'end': '67.840', 'text': 'renewables in the modern grid. Can you'}, {'start': '64.159', 'end': '70.080', 'text': 'square that circle for me, Michael?'}, {'start': '67.840', 'end': '72.159', 'text': "Uh, unfortunately, I can't because the"}, {'start': '70.080', 'end': '74.080', 'text': 'headline is obviously wrong. You know,'}, {'start': '72.159', 'end': '76.560', 'text': 'look, as soon as this happened,'}, {'start': '74.080', 'end': '78.720', 'text': 'everybody who follows energy closely and'}, {'start': '76.560', 'end': '80.799', 'text': 'understands how electrical grids work'}, {'start': '78.720', 'end': '82.320', 'text': "knew that it was renewables. There's"}, {'start': '80.799', 'end': '84.159', 'text': 'this very basic idea that you probably'}, {'start': '82.320', 'end': '87.280', 'text': 'remember from your high school, physics'}, {'start': '84.159', 'end': '89.600', 'text': 'of inertia, which is in the energy'}, {'start': '87.280', 'end': '91.759', 'text': 'system, in the electrical system, the'}, {'start': '89.600', 'end': '93.920', 'text': 'old fashion power plants, coal, gas,'}, {'start': '91.759', 'end': '96.720', 'text': 'nuclear, they have these turbines that'}, {'start': '93.920', 'end': '98.560', 'text': "spin. And when you're modulating the"}, {'start': '96.720', 'end': '101.200', 'text': 'frequency because of course you have to'}, {'start': '98.560', 'end': '103.280', 'text': 'perfectly match supply and demand of'}, {'start': '101.200', 'end': '106.320', 'text': 'electricity or you have a either a'}, {'start': '103.280', 'end': '109.200', 'text': 'blackout or a blowout you allow that'}, {'start': '106.320', 'end': '110.799', 'text': 'inertia in the power plants buffered'}, {'start': '109.200', 'end': '111.920', 'text': 'those little fluctuations that are'}, {'start': '110.799', 'end': '114.960', 'text': 'always happening but need to be'}, {'start': '111.920', 'end': '117.040', 'text': 'carefully managed. Solar farms and also'}, {'start': '114.960', 'end': '119.240', 'text': "wind turbines don't have that same"}, {'start': '117.040', 'end': '121.840', 'text': 'buffering capacity. They just have these'}, {'start': '119.240', 'end': '123.840', 'text': 'inverters. So this has been widely'}, {'start': '121.840', 'end': '125.759', 'text': 'discussed. It was actually warned of'}, {'start': '123.840', 'end': '128.080', 'text': 'blackouts was being warned of by the'}, {'start': '125.759', 'end': '129.840', 'text': 'Spanish utility in February. The'}, {'start': '128.080', 'end': '132.319', 'text': 'International Energy Agency the week'}, {'start': '129.840', 'end': '134.879', 'text': 'before the blackouts had a special'}, {'start': '132.319', 'end': '136.480', 'text': 'conference on it with a report that they'}, {'start': '134.879', 'end': '138.640', 'text': 'still have not made public even though'}, {'start': '136.480', 'end': '141.200', 'text': "it's taxpayer funded because IEA is the"}, {'start': '138.640', 'end': '143.520', 'text': 'International Energy Agency of OECD'}, {'start': '141.200', 'end': '145.200', 'text': "countries. So they've been the Spanish"}, {'start': '143.520', 'end': '147.360', 'text': 'government, the president I I would'}, {'start': '145.200', 'end': '149.480', 'text': 'rarely say it so harshly, but they'}, {'start': '147.360', 'end': '151.599', 'text': 'certainly know that it was caused by'}, {'start': '149.480', 'end': '153.280', 'text': 'renewables, not just probably because of'}, {'start': '151.599', 'end': '155.760', 'text': 'the inertia problem, but also probably'}, {'start': '153.280', 'end': '157.280', 'text': 'because of the the drop of solar and'}, {'start': '155.760', 'end': '159.360', 'text': 'then the or the increase of it. You'}, {'start': '157.280', 'end': '161.280', 'text': 'know, if there was a cloudy day, they'}, {'start': '159.360', 'end': '163.360', 'text': "knew what was going on and they've been"}, {'start': '161.280', 'end': '165.599', 'text': 'spreading misinformation about it, so to'}, {'start': '163.360', 'end': '171.080', 'text': 'speak, because it threatens them, right?'}, {'start': '165.599', 'end': '174.480', 'text': "They can't have any evidence that this"}, {'start': '171.080', 'end': '175.959', 'text': 'ginormous boondoggle is a failure,'}, {'start': '174.480', 'end': '177.920', 'text': 'right,'}, {'start': '175.959', 'end': '179.440', 'text': "Michael? Yeah. I mean, look, there's"}, {'start': '177.920', 'end': '182.120', 'text': "money involved. As you won't be"}, {'start': '179.440', 'end': '184.879', 'text': 'surprised, the big renewable energy'}, {'start': '182.120', 'end': '187.040', 'text': 'companies have a lot in stake in the'}, {'start': '184.879', 'end': '188.560', 'text': "governing party of Spain. That's"}, {'start': '187.040', 'end': '190.239', 'text': 'probably one of the biggest ones. But'}, {'start': '188.560', 'end': '192.480', 'text': 'you know the number of Spaniards that'}, {'start': '190.239', 'end': '194.480', 'text': 'believe in God has declined and so and'}, {'start': '192.480', 'end': '196.879', 'text': 'sunlight and the solar is sort of the'}, {'start': '194.480', 'end': '199.080', 'text': 'new god in Europe. Renewables are a way'}, {'start': '196.879', 'end': '201.519', 'text': 'to harmonize human civilization with'}, {'start': '199.080', 'end': '204.400', 'text': "nature. So it's both a religious"}, {'start': '201.519', 'end': '207.200', 'text': 'obsession and also some kind of more'}, {'start': '204.400', 'end': '209.280', 'text': 'more basic fundamental uh economic'}, {'start': '207.200', 'end': '210.720', 'text': 'motives where the politicians fund the'}, {'start': '209.280', 'end': '213.599', 'text': 'renewables companies, the renewable'}, {'start': '210.720', 'end': '215.200', 'text': 'companies support the politicians. But I'}, {'start': '213.599', 'end': '218.239', 'text': "think we've reached a point where look,"}, {'start': '215.200', 'end': '220.879', 'text': "you're just managing all this unreliable"}, {'start': '218.239', 'end': '223.680', 'text': 'weather dependent energy coming into the'}, {'start': '220.879', 'end': '225.840', 'text': 'grid. It creates huge amounts of chaos.'}, {'start': '223.680', 'end': '228.480', 'text': "All of that's before you get to this"}, {'start': '225.840', 'end': '230.560', 'text': 'inertia question which appears to have'}, {'start': '228.480', 'end': '233.120', 'text': 'been and almost certainly is the reason'}, {'start': '230.560', 'end': '236.000', 'text': 'why you had the blackouts. Sounds like a'}, {'start': '233.120', 'end': '239.519', 'text': "cult. May God help them. Let's move on"}, {'start': '236.000', 'end': '241.920', 'text': 'to this. Jen Circleback Saki was on the'}, {'start': '239.519', 'end': '244.879', 'text': 'late show last night, the one with the'}, {'start': '241.920', 'end': '247.519', 'text': 'live studio audience and no viewers. She'}, {'start': '244.879', 'end': '250.959', 'text': 'had some serious concerns about possible'}, {'start': '247.519', 'end': '254.040', 'text': 'press censorship and coverups under'}, {'start': '250.959', 'end': '256.320', 'text': 'President Trump. You heard it right.'}, {'start': '254.040', 'end': '258.000', 'text': "Listen, here's why though I'm very"}, {'start': '256.320', 'end': '259.680', 'text': 'concerned. Where the decisions are made'}, {'start': '258.000', 'end': '262.240', 'text': "are often behind the scenes. So there's"}, {'start': '259.680', 'end': '264.240', 'text': 'no media organization or media outlet or'}, {'start': '262.240', 'end': '266.320', 'text': "reporter who's going to say we are going"}, {'start': '264.240', 'end': '268.800', 'text': 'to obey in advance. Now, what happens is'}, {'start': '266.320', 'end': '271.280', 'text': "stories are killed. Um, voices aren't"}, {'start': '268.800', 'end': '273.240', 'text': 'invited on. Um, stories are muted.'}, {'start': '271.280', 'end': '276.960', 'text': "They're watered"}, {'start': '273.240', 'end': '281.639', 'text': 'down. Michael, she was part of the'}, {'start': '276.960', 'end': '285.960', 'text': 'brigade in the Biden White House that'}, {'start': '281.639', 'end': '289.280', 'text': 'censored speech and and basically'}, {'start': '285.960', 'end': '292.080', 'text': 'lambasted the social media platforms.'}, {'start': '289.280', 'end': '295.199', 'text': 'She even threatened social media'}, {'start': '292.080', 'end': '298.000', 'text': 'companies with legal consequences if'}, {'start': '295.199', 'end': '302.440', 'text': 'they did not censor the information they'}, {'start': '298.000', 'end': '304.639', 'text': 'deemed well uh worthy of'}, {'start': '302.440', 'end': '306.919', 'text': "censorship. Yeah, that's right. She was"}, {'start': '304.639', 'end': '310.080', 'text': 'part of the censorship industrial'}, {'start': '306.919', 'end': '311.759', 'text': 'complex that was that that really grew'}, {'start': '310.080', 'end': '314.080', 'text': 'during the Trump administration where'}, {'start': '311.759', 'end': '315.440', 'text': 'she and her boss, the president, former'}, {'start': '314.080', 'end': '317.039', 'text': 'President Biden, would pressure the'}, {'start': '315.440', 'end': '320.000', 'text': 'social media companies, threatened to'}, {'start': '317.039', 'end': '322.479', 'text': 'take away their license to operate while'}, {'start': '320.000', 'end': '324.479', 'text': 'demanding that they expand censorship of'}, {'start': '322.479', 'end': '327.360', 'text': 'legal speech. We we now know Facebook'}, {'start': '324.479', 'end': '329.320', 'text': 'censored true accurate legal speech both'}, {'start': '327.360', 'end': '331.759', 'text': 'on the origin of COVID and on the'}, {'start': '329.320', 'end': '334.639', 'text': "vaccines. I think it's really also very"}, {'start': '331.759', 'end': '336.560', 'text': 'interesting because the yesterday'}, {'start': '334.639', 'end': '338.800', 'text': 'Secretary Rubio said they discovered'}, {'start': '336.560', 'end': '340.400', 'text': 'that the State Department censorship'}, {'start': '338.800', 'end': '343.919', 'text': 'organization which was called the Global'}, {'start': '340.400', 'end': '346.080', 'text': 'Engagement Center had kept files on'}, {'start': '343.919', 'end': '348.080', 'text': 'individual people for their supposed'}, {'start': '346.080', 'end': '350.560', 'text': 'misinformation, including a member of'}, {'start': '348.080', 'end': '352.800', 'text': 'the current Trump cabinet. This is news'}, {'start': '350.560', 'end': '354.639', 'text': 'that we did not know until yesterday.'}, {'start': '352.800', 'end': '357.039', 'text': 'Secretary Rubio, to his credit, said'}, {'start': '354.639', 'end': '358.960', 'text': 'that he was going to release those files'}, {'start': '357.039', 'end': '360.320', 'text': 'and ask if they make them public. They'}, {'start': '358.960', 'end': '362.560', 'text': 'really do need to make them public. The'}, {'start': '360.320', 'end': '365.600', 'text': 'Trump administration needs to release'}, {'start': '362.560', 'end': '368.160', 'text': 'this uh important new data, new new'}, {'start': '365.600', 'end': '369.600', 'text': "files which we're all desperate to see"}, {'start': '368.160', 'end': '371.360', 'text': 'because it does show that there really'}, {'start': '369.600', 'end': '372.880', 'text': 'was a censorship industrial complex.'}, {'start': '371.360', 'end': '375.680', 'text': 'What Jen Saki is talking about, by the'}, {'start': '372.880', 'end': '378.720', 'text': 'way, is just decisions by editors at'}, {'start': '375.680', 'end': '381.600', 'text': 'places like MSNBC to no longer have'}, {'start': '378.720', 'end': '382.720', 'text': "hosts that have low ratings. That's a"}, {'start': '381.600', 'end': '384.400', 'text': 'little different than the government'}, {'start': '382.720', 'end': '386.240', 'text': 'censoring what people are saying online.'}, {'start': '384.400', 'end': '388.639', 'text': "It's like it's so much projection that"}, {'start': '386.240', 'end': '391.840', 'text': 'we saw there. And also the idea that the'}, {'start': '388.639', 'end': '395.120', 'text': 'news media is all just lining up to bend'}, {'start': '391.840', 'end': '396.880', 'text': 'the knee to Trump is otherworldly. Like'}, {'start': '395.120', 'end': '399.039', 'text': "I don't know what reality she's living"}, {'start': '396.880', 'end': '400.720', 'text': "in, but it's not the real one. Michael"}, {'start': '399.039', 'end': '402.160', 'text': 'Shelonburgger, great to see you. Thanks'}, {'start': '400.720', 'end': '404.800', 'text': 'so much.'}, {'start': '402.160', 'end': '404.800', 'text': 'Thanks for having'}]