The World Over May 1, 2025 | The Coming Conclave: Gerhard Cardinal Müller with Raymond Arroyo
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[{'start': '0.240', 'end': '3.760', 'text': 'Joining me now with his thoughts and'}, {'start': '1.920', 'end': '6.400', 'text': 'reflections on the legacy of Pope'}, {'start': '3.760', 'end': '8.720', 'text': 'Francis as well as the qualities he'}, {'start': '6.400', 'end': '11.360', 'text': 'feels should be considered when choosing'}, {'start': '8.720', 'end': '14.000', 'text': 'the next pope is a former chief of'}, {'start': '11.360', 'end': '16.080', 'text': 'doctrine here at the Vatican. Ghart'}, {'start': '14.000', 'end': '18.640', 'text': 'Cardinal Mueller your eminence. Thank'}, {'start': '16.080', 'end': '20.080', 'text': "you for being here. Now you you've been"}, {'start': '18.640', 'end': '22.000', 'text': "a cardinal elect. This isn't your first"}, {'start': '20.080', 'end': '24.080', 'text': 'time as a cardinal elector. Oh, this is'}, {'start': '22.000', 'end': '25.760', 'text': 'it. Oh, I did. I thought you voted in'}, {'start': '24.080', 'end': '27.359', 'text': "the last one. That's right. But you're"}, {'start': '25.760', 'end': '29.279', 'text': "you're attending these general"}, {'start': '27.359', 'end': '32.160', 'text': 'congregation meetings which happen'}, {'start': '29.279', 'end': '35.280', 'text': 'behind us every day in the leadup to the'}, {'start': '32.160', 'end': '36.719', 'text': 'to the conclave. Tell me what is the'}, {'start': '35.280', 'end': '39.280', 'text': 'spirit of those meetings? I know you'}, {'start': '36.719', 'end': '41.600', 'text': "can't discuss what's what's the the"}, {'start': '39.280', 'end': '43.920', 'text': 'actual words, but what is the spirit'}, {'start': '41.600', 'end': '46.640', 'text': 'there and how receptive have the'}, {'start': '43.920', 'end': '48.800', 'text': 'cardinals been to criticisms of Pope'}, {'start': '46.640', 'end': '52.800', 'text': "Francis's papacy?"}, {'start': '48.800', 'end': '55.399', 'text': 'I think is a brotherly spirit and'}, {'start': '52.800', 'end': '58.320', 'text': 'everybody is aware of the great'}, {'start': '55.399', 'end': '61.840', 'text': 'responsibility everybody has for the'}, {'start': '58.320', 'end': '64.320', 'text': 'future of the Catholic Church. Uh and we'}, {'start': '61.840', 'end': '68.680', 'text': 'know that we are not politicians'}, {'start': '64.320', 'end': '72.560', 'text': 'um deciding according to uh mass media'}, {'start': '68.680', 'end': '74.400', 'text': 'categories and politician categories.'}, {'start': '72.560', 'end': '77.040', 'text': 'But we have to look what is Jesus'}, {'start': '74.400', 'end': '81.520', 'text': 'himself saying. He gives the first'}, {'start': '77.040', 'end': '84.640', 'text': 'definition uh for all time who is Simon'}, {'start': '81.520', 'end': '87.520', 'text': "but was only the first pope but now he's"}, {'start': '84.640', 'end': '90.240', 'text': 'Peter. Peter what is said about Peter in'}, {'start': '87.520', 'end': '93.840', 'text': 'the new testament and that is decisive'}, {'start': '90.240', 'end': '96.280', 'text': 'and the most important task of the pope'}, {'start': '93.840', 'end': '99.759', 'text': 'is to unite all Christians in the'}, {'start': '96.280', 'end': '102.560', 'text': 'confession to Jesus Christ the the son'}, {'start': '99.759', 'end': '104.159', 'text': "of the living God. Yeah. Now you've"}, {'start': '102.560', 'end': '105.920', 'text': 'heard the reaction. And I know you you'}, {'start': '104.159', 'end': '108.560', 'text': 'went out early and said we need unity'}, {'start': '105.920', 'end': '112.000', 'text': 'now. We need unity. And some have come'}, {'start': '108.560', 'end': '114.079', 'text': 'out. Cardinal uh Michael Cherney said uh'}, {'start': '112.000', 'end': '116.240', 'text': "it means reversal. He said what you're"}, {'start': '114.079', 'end': '118.880', 'text': 'asking for unity means reversal. It'}, {'start': '116.240', 'end': '122.680', 'text': 'means a new introversion.'}, {'start': '118.880', 'end': '126.040', 'text': 'Your reaction to that? That is very'}, {'start': '122.680', 'end': '127.560', 'text': 'superficial interpretations of non'}, {'start': '126.040', 'end': '131.680', 'text': 'theologians.'}, {'start': '127.560', 'end': '136.560', 'text': "Um but uh it's not a question behind"}, {'start': '131.680', 'end': '139.800', 'text': 'before above uh or um on the bottom but'}, {'start': '136.560', 'end': '142.520', 'text': 'the question of our closeness to Jesus'}, {'start': '139.800', 'end': '147.120', 'text': 'Christ and uh'}, {'start': '142.520', 'end': '150.480', 'text': 'this about the truth of the gospel uh is'}, {'start': '147.120', 'end': '154.480', 'text': 'valid for all the times and for every'}, {'start': '150.480', 'end': '157.800', 'text': 'body. And this um thinking in these'}, {'start': '154.480', 'end': '162.959', 'text': 'categories of liberalism or'}, {'start': '157.800', 'end': '164.480', 'text': 'conservativism. Uh this is um um a wrong'}, {'start': '162.959', 'end': '167.519', 'text': 'application'}, {'start': '164.480', 'end': '171.040', 'text': 'of wrong categories to the church which'}, {'start': '167.519', 'end': '174.000', 'text': 'is not a human organization made by us'}, {'start': '171.040', 'end': '176.879', 'text': 'and by shaped by our thinkings but by'}, {'start': '174.000', 'end': '179.760', 'text': 'Jesus. Christ is a body of Christ the'}, {'start': '176.879', 'end': '182.400', 'text': 'temple of the Holy Spirit. And therefore'}, {'start': '179.760', 'end': '185.040', 'text': 'the unity is one of the first is the'}, {'start': '182.400', 'end': '189.120', 'text': 'first attribute to the church. And Jesus'}, {'start': '185.040', 'end': '193.120', 'text': 'said you must be uh one like the'}, {'start': '189.120', 'end': '195.519', 'text': 'disciples like I am one with the father.'}, {'start': '193.120', 'end': '198.480', 'text': 'That is a theological conception of'}, {'start': '195.519', 'end': '200.959', 'text': 'unity and not a political statement.'}, {'start': '198.480', 'end': '203.200', 'text': "Yeah. Your your eminence what what's"}, {'start': '200.959', 'end': '205.120', 'text': 'your greatest fear going into this'}, {'start': '203.200', 'end': '207.920', 'text': "conclave? You've said I'm going to quote"}, {'start': '205.120', 'end': '210.879', 'text': "you here. you you fear the you've spoken"}, {'start': '207.920', 'end': '214.319', 'text': 'about the possibility of sism and even a'}, {'start': '210.879', 'end': '217.200', 'text': 'heretical pope. Does that haunt you?'}, {'start': '214.319', 'end': '222.159', 'text': 'Yeah. The question is always uh also in'}, {'start': '217.200', 'end': '225.519', 'text': 'the in the past that uh candidate is'}, {'start': '222.159', 'end': '227.920', 'text': 'thinking about the papacy only in the'}, {'start': '225.519', 'end': '231.440', 'text': 'terms of uh political power and'}, {'start': '227.920', 'end': '234.720', 'text': 'influence in in influence and uh the'}, {'start': '231.440', 'end': '237.280', 'text': 'reaction of the masses to be beloved by'}, {'start': '234.720', 'end': '240.480', 'text': 'the people. That is not what Jesus'}, {'start': '237.280', 'end': '244.560', 'text': 'wanted. Jesus was died on the cross in'}, {'start': '240.480', 'end': '247.640', 'text': 'the contradiction to the world.'}, {'start': '244.560', 'end': '251.439', 'text': 'And therefore the'}, {'start': '247.640', 'end': '253.519', 'text': 'basis attribute for every pope must be'}, {'start': '251.439', 'end': '257.440', 'text': 'the orthodoxy'}, {'start': '253.519', 'end': '260.239', 'text': 'to have the the sound doctrine uh which'}, {'start': '257.440', 'end': '262.160', 'text': 'is given to the church by the apostles'}, {'start': '260.239', 'end': '264.560', 'text': 'and this is a great is that how we get'}, {'start': '262.160', 'end': '267.199', 'text': 'to unity you think via cl we need a pope'}, {'start': '264.560', 'end': '270.720', 'text': 'who who brings clarity to the four yeah'}, {'start': '267.199', 'end': '273.680', 'text': 'the clarity is given by uh Jesus Christ'}, {'start': '270.720', 'end': '277.199', 'text': 'your your words shall not be Yes. And'}, {'start': '273.680', 'end': '280.160', 'text': 'tomorrow no, but our yes should be a'}, {'start': '277.199', 'end': '281.360', 'text': 'yes. Our no a no. Yeah. I want to'}, {'start': '280.160', 'end': '283.360', 'text': 'explore something you said in an'}, {'start': '281.360', 'end': '285.919', 'text': 'interview with the New York Times. Uh'}, {'start': '283.360', 'end': '288.880', 'text': 'you said of Pope Francis, this is his'}, {'start': '285.919', 'end': '291.440', 'text': 'style to divide. All dictators are'}, {'start': '288.880', 'end': '293.600', 'text': 'dividing. Do you believe Pope Francis'}, {'start': '291.440', 'end': '296.000', 'text': 'ruled in a dictatorial way,'}, {'start': '293.600', 'end': '300.000', 'text': 'contradictory way as well? Not'}, {'start': '296.000', 'end': '304.320', 'text': 'dictatorial way cannot say. um he had'}, {'start': '300.000', 'end': '308.000', 'text': 'his own character and uh sometimes he'}, {'start': '304.320', 'end': '311.039', 'text': "made decisions. Uh people didn't"}, {'start': '308.000', 'end': '314.560', 'text': "understand why they didn't listen the"}, {'start': '311.039', 'end': '317.600', 'text': 'reasons why he made uh these decisions.'}, {'start': '314.560', 'end': '320.240', 'text': 'Um and we cannot always say like'}, {'start': '317.600', 'end': '322.160', 'text': 'somebody is saying the pope has every'}, {'start': '320.240', 'end': '325.039', 'text': "time the last word. There's a wrong"}, {'start': '322.160', 'end': '328.440', 'text': 'understanding of a papacy is not an'}, {'start': '325.039', 'end': '332.960', 'text': "absolute monarch. It's not a"}, {'start': '328.440', 'end': '336.000', 'text': 'califat or or anything else like we have'}, {'start': '332.960', 'end': '338.320', 'text': 'enough of these types in the politics.'}, {'start': '336.000', 'end': '340.720', 'text': 'What we need what is needed is a good'}, {'start': '338.320', 'end': '343.120', 'text': 'pastor to protect the doctrine of faith.'}, {'start': '340.720', 'end': '345.680', 'text': 'The doctrine of faith is his first task.'}, {'start': '343.120', 'end': '347.759', 'text': 'Yeah. Therefore is given the pope is'}, {'start': '345.680', 'end': '350.400', 'text': 'after the definition of the first and'}, {'start': '347.759', 'end': '352.479', 'text': 'second Vatican council the pr principle'}, {'start': '350.400', 'end': '354.639', 'text': 'of the unity of all the bishop and'}, {'start': '352.479', 'end': '356.479', 'text': 'faithful in the truth the revealed truth'}, {'start': '354.639', 'end': '358.880', 'text': 'of Jesus Christ. How receptive are your'}, {'start': '356.479', 'end': '362.240', 'text': 'brother cardinals to these ideas? Do'}, {'start': '358.880', 'end': '365.280', 'text': 'they see it the same way or is there'}, {'start': '362.240', 'end': '368.600', 'text': "hostility? I didn't spoke with everybody"}, {'start': '365.280', 'end': '372.160', 'text': 'but I think uh if they have studied the'}, {'start': '368.600', 'end': '374.639', 'text': 'theology in a good way they can read it'}, {'start': '372.160', 'end': '377.039', 'text': 'in the doctrine of the last councils.'}, {'start': '374.639', 'end': '378.960', 'text': 'Yeah. You were one of the most uh'}, {'start': '377.039', 'end': '380.319', 'text': 'foremost critics really of the Senate on'}, {'start': '378.960', 'end': '382.960', 'text': 'cidality.'}, {'start': '380.319', 'end': '385.360', 'text': 'entire approach uh of governing the'}, {'start': '382.960', 'end': '388.160', 'text': 'church. It it was the cornerstone of'}, {'start': '385.360', 'end': '390.960', 'text': "Pope Francis's legacy. And recently the"}, {'start': '388.160', 'end': '393.440', 'text': 'German bishops published a four-page'}, {'start': '390.960', 'end': '396.080', 'text': 'document blessing couples in irregular'}, {'start': '393.440', 'end': '397.680', 'text': 'unions including homosexual couples uh'}, {'start': '396.080', 'end': '400.080', 'text': 'those who are divorced and remarried and'}, {'start': '397.680', 'end': '402.440', 'text': 'and without anolments go to communion.'}, {'start': '400.080', 'end': '406.160', 'text': 'This flows direct directly from Pope'}, {'start': '402.440', 'end': '408.639', 'text': "Francis's vision uh in Amoris Latitia"}, {'start': '406.160', 'end': '411.199', 'text': 'and other documents. It really is part'}, {'start': '408.639', 'end': '414.639', 'text': 'and parcel of cidality. Your reaction to'}, {'start': '411.199', 'end': '417.440', 'text': 'this almost the extension of the senado'}, {'start': '414.639', 'end': '421.919', 'text': 'way now in your own Germany. Yeah.'}, {'start': '417.440', 'end': '425.360', 'text': 'Codelity is a old principle. is not uh'}, {'start': '421.919', 'end': '428.800', 'text': "it's not invented by Pope Francis but uh"}, {'start': '425.360', 'end': '431.039', 'text': 'we need a wrong right understanding if'}, {'start': '428.800', 'end': '434.280', 'text': 'they have the Protestants has also with'}, {'start': '431.039', 'end': '437.440', 'text': 'the other ecclesiology also senots and'}, {'start': '434.280', 'end': '441.199', 'text': 'cenodality and we have to interpret it'}, {'start': '437.440', 'end': '444.960', 'text': 'in the Catholic sense and the Catholic'}, {'start': '441.199', 'end': '444.960', 'text': 'senots existed'}, {'start': '445.319', 'end': '450.080', 'text': 'five,500 years before the'}, {'start': '447.720', 'end': '453.759', 'text': 'protestantism the protestantism is not'}, {'start': '450.080', 'end': '455.919', 'text': 'the model um for shaping the Catholic'}, {'start': '453.759', 'end': '460.080', 'text': 'faith and we look have to look to our'}, {'start': '455.919', 'end': '463.960', 'text': 'own sources and our our own criterias.'}, {'start': '460.080', 'end': '467.800', 'text': 'Pope Francis made Irenaeus of'}, {'start': '463.960', 'end': '470.880', 'text': 'Leon church father and he was writing'}, {'start': '467.800', 'end': '474.120', 'text': 'against gnostics. And there we have a'}, {'start': '470.880', 'end': '477.759', 'text': 'new form of nnosticism and not of'}, {'start': '474.120', 'end': '481.440', 'text': 'Catholic understanding. and he asked me'}, {'start': '477.759', 'end': '485.800', 'text': 'to write a book against this modern'}, {'start': '481.440', 'end': '488.560', 'text': 'nostitism and wrong understanding of of'}, {'start': '485.800', 'end': '492.160', 'text': 'Catholic doctrine of Catholic of the'}, {'start': '488.560', 'end': '494.879', 'text': 'church and against the paleianism. He he'}, {'start': '492.160', 'end': '498.639', 'text': 'offered also a document but surely the'}, {'start': '494.879', 'end': '501.120', 'text': "so-called procraists didn't care the"}, {'start': '498.639', 'end': '505.680', 'text': 'documents and the doctrine of Pope'}, {'start': '501.120', 'end': '508.319', 'text': 'Francis when it was uh close to their'}, {'start': '505.680', 'end': '511.919', 'text': 'ideas they ignored him when he spoke'}, {'start': '508.319', 'end': '515.120', 'text': 'against abortion when he said only the'}, {'start': '511.919', 'end': '518.320', 'text': 'matrimony is a legal form of living'}, {'start': '515.120', 'end': '521.200', 'text': 'together of one man and one woman they'}, {'start': '518.320', 'end': '524.159', 'text': 'ignored it. They made a very selected'}, {'start': '521.200', 'end': '526.000', 'text': 'uh interpretation of Pope Francis. After'}, {'start': '524.159', 'end': '528.320', 'text': 'talking to your brother cardinals this'}, {'start': '526.000', 'end': '531.360', 'text': "past week, do you believe we're looking"}, {'start': '528.320', 'end': '533.519', 'text': 'at the end of cidality? The this'}, {'start': '531.360', 'end': '535.040', 'text': 'approach where the ley are invited in'}, {'start': '533.519', 'end': '536.959', 'text': 'and atheists are invited in and'}, {'start': '535.040', 'end': '539.440', 'text': "everybody comes in. Do you think we'll"}, {'start': '536.959', 'end': '541.680', 'text': 'go back to actual bishops meeting alone?'}, {'start': '539.440', 'end': '544.920', 'text': 'No, we have two forms. One is a senate'}, {'start': '541.680', 'end': '547.920', 'text': 'of the bishops is the expression'}, {'start': '544.920', 'end': '549.839', 'text': 'institutionalization of the um'}, {'start': '547.920', 'end': '553.399', 'text': 'collegiality of the bishops and the'}, {'start': '549.839', 'end': '557.519', 'text': 'other hand we have a synodal assem'}, {'start': '553.399', 'end': '561.040', 'text': 'assembly with all together and and the'}, {'start': '557.519', 'end': '563.600', 'text': 'the highest form of codality is a holy'}, {'start': '561.040', 'end': '566.000', 'text': 'ukarist when we all are together and we'}, {'start': '563.600', 'end': '568.320', 'text': 'cannot forget the eucharist as the'}, {'start': '566.000', 'end': '571.680', 'text': 'center and the basis of our living'}, {'start': '568.320', 'end': '575.320', 'text': 'together and not only speaking about uh'}, {'start': '571.680', 'end': '578.399', 'text': 'anything and to make uh yourself'}, {'start': '575.320', 'end': '581.200', 'text': 'interesting because that I I am calling'}, {'start': '578.399', 'end': '584.240', 'text': 'here together with the bishops. Mhm. So,'}, {'start': '581.200', 'end': '587.600', 'text': 'but so you think this this vision of a'}, {'start': '584.240', 'end': '589.680', 'text': 'senado church where the ley and bishops'}, {'start': '587.600', 'end': '591.600', 'text': "are coming together, you think it's the"}, {'start': '589.680', 'end': '593.360', 'text': 'end of that or no? We are always'}, {'start': '591.600', 'end': '597.279', 'text': 'together at the ukarist in the'}, {'start': '593.360', 'end': '600.880', 'text': 'sacraments and but the magisterium by'}, {'start': '597.279', 'end': '604.160', 'text': 'Jesus Christ the head of the church is'}, {'start': '600.880', 'end': '606.959', 'text': 'only given to the ordained bishops whose'}, {'start': '604.160', 'end': '609.920', 'text': 'head is visible head is the pope and the'}, {'start': '606.959', 'end': '612.240', 'text': 'church cannot change the constitution of'}, {'start': '609.920', 'end': '614.320', 'text': 'the church and we want to change the'}, {'start': '612.240', 'end': '617.040', 'text': 'constitution of the church this is the'}, {'start': '614.320', 'end': '620.000', 'text': 'destruction of the church like the'}, {'start': '617.040', 'end': '620.880', 'text': 'protestants the 16th century they'}, {'start': '620.000', 'end': '622.959', 'text': 'changed'}, {'start': '620.880', 'end': '624.880', 'text': 'the doctrine about the church and'}, {'start': '622.959', 'end': '627.320', 'text': 'therefore they split it away from the'}, {'start': '624.880', 'end': '631.279', 'text': 'church. We can we have not the'}, {'start': '627.320', 'end': '634.079', 'text': 'possibility to modelize the the church'}, {'start': '631.279', 'end': '636.640', 'text': 'according to the ideas of the world is'}, {'start': '634.079', 'end': '639.600', 'text': 'given the old and the new testament what'}, {'start': '636.640', 'end': '642.000', 'text': 'is the people of God. You know as I look'}, {'start': '639.600', 'end': '644.640', 'text': 'at this your eminence in the previous'}, {'start': '642.000', 'end': '646.959', 'text': 'two conclaves there were particular'}, {'start': '644.640', 'end': '649.600', 'text': 'individuals that were sort of rising to'}, {'start': '646.959', 'end': '652.880', 'text': 'the four. We knew who they were before'}, {'start': '649.600', 'end': '656.640', 'text': 'they went into conclave. This conclave'}, {'start': '652.880', 'end': '659.120', 'text': "you don't seem to see a coalescing of"}, {'start': '656.640', 'end': '661.360', 'text': 'two figures here and two figures there.'}, {'start': '659.120', 'end': '664.000', 'text': "It's much more spread out. Is it a more"}, {'start': '661.360', 'end': '667.440', 'text': 'confusing process in some ways? Yeah,'}, {'start': '664.000', 'end': '670.640', 'text': 'this was the effect that there was no'}, {'start': '667.440', 'end': '674.399', 'text': 'assembly, no coming together, no unions'}, {'start': '670.640', 'end': '676.160', 'text': 'uh of the cardinals since 10 years. uh'}, {'start': '674.399', 'end': '678.720', 'text': 'everybody knows the name of the other'}, {'start': '676.160', 'end': '681.519', 'text': "and and the faith but not we didn't"}, {'start': '678.720', 'end': '684.560', 'text': 'spoke we had not exchange of our'}, {'start': '681.519', 'end': '687.680', 'text': 'opinions of our our visions uh and that'}, {'start': '684.560', 'end': '690.320', 'text': 'is was a lack no and therefore is a'}, {'start': '687.680', 'end': '693.680', 'text': 'fault and we need everybody said it in'}, {'start': '690.320', 'end': '697.040', 'text': 'the the coming pontificate we need more'}, {'start': '693.680', 'end': '700.399', 'text': 'reunions of the cardinals every year'}, {'start': '697.040', 'end': '702.800', 'text': 'because the college holy college of the'}, {'start': '700.399', 'end': '703.920', 'text': 'cardinals of the Roman church is the'}, {'start': '702.800', 'end': '706.320', 'text': 'first senate'}, {'start': '703.920', 'end': '709.600', 'text': 'of the pope and the pope as a single'}, {'start': '706.320', 'end': '715.000', 'text': 'person cannot know everything. He needs'}, {'start': '709.600', 'end': '718.640', 'text': 'the good um advices and different'}, {'start': '715.000', 'end': '720.480', 'text': 'perspectives of uh the cardinals. Your'}, {'start': '718.640', 'end': '722.959', 'text': 'eminence, I can remember sitting here 12'}, {'start': '720.480', 'end': '725.200', 'text': 'years ago and talking to a number of'}, {'start': '722.959', 'end': '727.920', 'text': 'cardinals before and after the conclave.'}, {'start': '725.200', 'end': '730.399', 'text': 'Pope Francis was elected as a reformer'}, {'start': '727.920', 'end': '733.120', 'text': 'to reform the Vatican bureaucracy here,'}, {'start': '730.399', 'end': '736.000', 'text': 'the Koua and to reform the finances of'}, {'start': '733.120', 'end': '739.760', 'text': 'the Catholic Church. Did he deliver on'}, {'start': '736.000', 'end': '743.600', 'text': 'those promises in your opinion?'}, {'start': '739.760', 'end': '747.440', 'text': 'Yeah, this Vatican state is is not is'}, {'start': '743.600', 'end': '751.040', 'text': 'not belonging essentially to the mission'}, {'start': '747.440', 'end': '755.760', 'text': 'of the pope given by Jesus Christ is a'}, {'start': '751.040', 'end': '759.120', 'text': 'an aspect on on the side and I cannot as'}, {'start': '755.760', 'end': '762.000', 'text': 'theologian I cannot understand that pope'}, {'start': '759.120', 'end': '765.200', 'text': 'pope is elected to reform the Vatican.'}, {'start': '762.000', 'end': '768.079', 'text': 'The Vatican is only a civil organization'}, {'start': '765.200', 'end': '770.880', 'text': 'is not belonging to the Catholic church.'}, {'start': '768.079', 'end': '772.040', 'text': 'Church is a body of Christ and not a'}, {'start': '770.880', 'end': '775.760', 'text': 'worldly'}, {'start': '772.040', 'end': '779.440', 'text': 'civil administration is only in favor in'}, {'start': '775.760', 'end': '782.560', 'text': 'service for the holy sea but is not an'}, {'start': '779.440', 'end': '784.880', 'text': 'ecclesial organization of not belonging'}, {'start': '782.560', 'end': '787.519', 'text': "to the church. Yeah. And it's in trouble"}, {'start': '784.880', 'end': '790.880', 'text': "now. I mean financially it's in trouble."}, {'start': '787.519', 'end': '793.839', 'text': "Yeah, surely but uh this is not it's not"}, {'start': '790.880', 'end': '797.519', 'text': 'the task of the pope to make an order'}, {'start': '793.839', 'end': '799.920', 'text': 'but they have enough experts and they'}, {'start': '797.519', 'end': '804.079', 'text': 'should do it not the pope the pope but'}, {'start': '799.920', 'end': '806.800', 'text': 'to preach the gospel and not to to uh'}, {'start': '804.079', 'end': '808.720', 'text': 'make the money. Uhhuh. Yeah. This is'}, {'start': '806.800', 'end': '810.880', 'text': 'keep your priorities in place. successor'}, {'start': '808.720', 'end': '813.440', 'text': 'of son Peter and not the successor of'}, {'start': '810.880', 'end': '816.959', 'text': 'Judas who had had the money back the'}, {'start': '813.440', 'end': '820.000', 'text': 'money back always with those people with'}, {'start': '816.959', 'end': '822.000', 'text': 'the money be careful the problem what'}, {'start': '820.000', 'end': '824.399', 'text': 'tell me what qualities as we wrap up'}, {'start': '822.000', 'end': '826.560', 'text': 'here what qualities are you looking for'}, {'start': '824.399', 'end': '829.079', 'text': 'as you go into this conclave and'}, {'start': '826.560', 'end': '832.200', 'text': 'ultimately cast your vote there are the'}, {'start': '829.079', 'end': '835.000', 'text': 'objective qualities chrisological'}, {'start': '832.200', 'end': '837.440', 'text': 'ecclesiological and also the personal'}, {'start': '835.000', 'end': '839.240', 'text': 'qualities must be a person of'}, {'start': '837.440', 'end': '841.079', 'text': 'equivalence, not'}, {'start': '839.240', 'end': '844.760', 'text': 'authoritarian and'}, {'start': '841.079', 'end': '848.680', 'text': 'not anything go uh but'}, {'start': '844.760', 'end': '852.320', 'text': 'must personality conscious of his'}, {'start': '848.680', 'end': '856.399', 'text': 'dignity and he must'}, {'start': '852.320', 'end': '859.040', 'text': 'um be every all the time have needs a'}, {'start': '856.399', 'end': '862.720', 'text': 'good spirituality. But spirituality is'}, {'start': '859.040', 'end': '865.199', 'text': 'not only moving your eyes around but the'}, {'start': '862.720', 'end': '867.600', 'text': 'spirituality is living in the Holy'}, {'start': '865.199', 'end': '871.040', 'text': 'Spirit. No, in the spirit of Jesus'}, {'start': '867.600', 'end': '873.600', 'text': 'Christ no is with us and with the power'}, {'start': '871.040', 'end': '877.440', 'text': 'of the grace and the holy spirit'}, {'start': '873.600', 'end': '879.519', 'text': 'everybody can do his duty. All right'}, {'start': '877.440', 'end': '881.199', 'text': 'your eminence Ghard Mueller thank you'}, {'start': '879.519', 'end': '882.639', 'text': 'for being here. We will be watching you'}, {'start': '881.199', 'end': '886.839', 'text': "and we'll check in with you after the"}, {'start': '882.639', 'end': '886.839', 'text': 'conflict. Thank you so much.'}, {'start': '888.590', 'end': '891.549', 'text': '[Music]'}]