Hacks Season 4 Podcast | Episode 4 | Max
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[{'start': '3.269', 'end': '4.870', 'text': '♪ ("HACKS" THEME MUSIC PLAYS) ♪'}, {'start': '4.937', 'end': '7.907', 'text': 'BOBBY FINGER: Hello, and welcome\nto The Official Hacks Podcast'}, {'start': '8.007', 'end': '10.009', 'text': 'from Max\nand Pineapple Street Studios.'}, {'start': '10.176', 'end': '11.244', 'text': "I'm Bobby Finger."}, {'start': '11.344', 'end': '12.579', 'text': "LINDSEY WEBER:\nAnd I'm Lindsey Weber."}, {'start': '12.645', 'end': '13.413', 'text': 'And we are your hosts,'}, {'start': '13.680', 'end': '16.115', 'text': 'unpacking every episode\nof Hacks season four.'}, {'start': '16.182', 'end': '17.717', 'text': "BOBBY: Today, we're talking\nabout episode five"}, {'start': '17.817', 'end': '20.453', 'text': 'with Hacks co-executive producer\nAisha Muharrar.'}, {'start': '20.520', 'end': '23.423', 'text': 'After that, Michaela Watkins,\nwho plays Stacey the HR rep,'}, {'start': '23.490', 'end': '24.490', 'text': 'will also join us.'}, {'start': '24.590', 'end': '25.291', 'text': 'LINDSEY: And as always,'}, {'start': '25.391', 'end': '27.093', 'text': 'this podcast is full\nof spoilers.'}, {'start': '27.160', 'end': '28.828', 'text': "If you haven't watched\nthe latest episode,"}, {'start': '28.895', 'end': '29.996', 'text': 'go back and do that.'}, {'start': '30.062', 'end': '31.130', 'text': 'Proceed with caution.'}, {'start': '31.664', 'end': '33.299', 'text': 'AVA DANIELS:\n You can still sell soap'}, {'start': '33.365', 'end': '35.301', 'text': 'while remaining authentic\n to your voice.'}, {'start': '35.468', 'end': '37.003', 'text': "It's the difference\n between making art"}, {'start': '37.103', 'end': '38.237', 'text': 'and turning out content.'}, {'start': '38.337', 'end': '39.639', 'text': 'I do not want to make a show--'}, {'start': '39.706', 'end': '41.674', 'text': 'DEBORAH VANCE: Oh no,\nthis is not about what you want!'}, {'start': '42.142', 'end': '44.477', 'text': "It's not even about what I want,\n it's what they want!"}, {'start': '45.911', 'end': '47.380', 'text': '♪ (THEME MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪'}, {'start': '49.515', 'end': '51.317', 'text': "LINDSEY: Okay, let's do\na quick recap of the episode,"}, {'start': '51.383', 'end': '52.385', 'text': "and then we'll get into it."}, {'start': '52.585', 'end': '54.353', 'text': 'So, episode five is called\n"Clickable Face."'}, {'start': '54.420', 'end': '57.156', 'text': 'It was written by Aisha Muharrar\nand directed by Paul W. Downs.'}, {'start': '57.223', 'end': '58.525', 'text': 'BOBBY:\nBegins with a focus group.'}, {'start': '58.625', 'end': '60.860', 'text': 'FOCUS GROUP PARTICIPANT:\n Face card not declined.'}, {'start': '61.027', 'end': '62.862', 'text': 'She looks gagatron sickening.'}, {'start': '62.929', 'end': '65.198', 'text': "BOBBY: They're still fighting\nabout-- Ava and Deborah,"}, {'start': '65.298', 'end': '67.132', 'text': 'about what the tone\nof the show should be.'}, {'start': '67.199', 'end': '69.168', 'text': 'Should it be political?\nShould it just be fluff?'}, {'start': '69.235', 'end': '71.103', 'text': "AVA: Frida Kahlo didn't consult\n a focus group"}, {'start': '71.170', 'end': '72.605', 'text': 'about what colors\n she should paint with.'}, {'start': '72.705', 'end': '74.673', 'text': "DEBORAH: She also didn't consult\n a pair of tweezers."}, {'start': '74.740', 'end': '77.410', 'text': 'LINDSEY: And where we end up is\nwith Deborah featuring Dance Mom'}, {'start': '77.510', 'end': '80.680', 'text': 'on the show,\nwhich is not pleasing to Ava.'}, {'start': '80.947', 'end': '82.181', 'text': 'DEBORAH:\n Is Dance Mom still here?'}, {'start': '82.281', 'end': '83.682', 'text': 'AVA: Wait, what? Come on.'}, {'start': '83.749', 'end': '85.551', 'text': '-DEBORAH: Is she?\n-JIMMY LUSAQUE JR.: Yes.'}, {'start': '85.652', 'end': '86.652', 'text': 'AVA: Jimmy!'}, {'start': '87.086', 'end': '89.522', 'text': 'DEBORAH: Good. Get her ready.'}, {'start': '90.490', 'end': '93.626', 'text': 'BOBBY: So, this episode deals\nwith a recurring theme'}, {'start': '93.693', 'end': '94.393', 'text': 'in this season,'}, {'start': '94.560', 'end': '98.465', 'text': 'which is the fight\nbetween having art'}, {'start': '98.565', 'end': '102.168', 'text': 'that is meaningful and powerful\nand can make a change'}, {'start': '102.235', 'end': '105.238', 'text': 'versus having art\nthat can be liked by everybody'}, {'start': '105.305', 'end': '108.474', 'text': 'and is very broadly appealing,\neasy,'}, {'start': '108.541', 'end': '111.777', 'text': "let's just use a TikTok woman,\nlet's make wine jokes,"}, {'start': '111.877', 'end': '113.179', 'text': 'look how sexy my legs are.'}, {'start': '113.246', 'end': '115.882', 'text': 'You know, like Ava and Deborah\nare constantly fighting'}, {'start': '115.948', 'end': '117.483', 'text': 'about this particular thing,'}, {'start': '117.549', 'end': '120.352', 'text': 'much to the chagrin\nof Michaela Watkins,'}, {'start': '120.419', 'end': '121.620', 'text': 'who plays Stacey from HR.'}, {'start': '121.854', 'end': '123.623', 'text': 'LINDSEY: Every single person\naround them is annoyed by this'}, {'start': '123.689', 'end': '125.391', 'text': 'because this really defines\nthe show'}, {'start': '125.491', 'end': '127.192', 'text': 'in a way where, you know,'}, {'start': '127.293', 'end': '130.296', 'text': 'they are at the same time\npandering to execs,'}, {'start': '130.363', 'end': '132.765', 'text': 'but then also trying\nto find the voice,'}, {'start': '132.832', 'end': '134.300', 'text': 'the proper voice of the show.'}, {'start': '134.366', 'end': '135.634', 'text': 'BOBBY: A funny reveal--'}, {'start': '135.701', 'end': '139.271', 'text': "It's a joke,\nbut it's also kind of serious,"}, {'start': '139.505', 'end': '142.741', 'text': "is that Deborah finds out\nthat women don't like her."}, {'start': '142.808', 'end': '145.177', 'text': "(CHUCKLES) She's got a--\nShe's got a major problem"}, {'start': '145.244', 'end': '147.179', 'text': 'with the female demographic\non this show,'}, {'start': '147.246', 'end': '149.382', 'text': 'which is both surprising,'}, {'start': '149.448', 'end': '151.050', 'text': 'but also kind of makes\ntotal sense.'}, {'start': '151.117', 'end': '153.753', 'text': 'LINDSEY: This focus group scene\nwas, like, extremely funny.'}, {'start': '153.819', 'end': '154.520', 'text': 'I mean, it was like--'}, {'start': '154.753', 'end': '156.422', 'text': 'it was kind of like joke\nafter joke for me.'}, {'start': '156.789', 'end': '158.458', 'text': 'DEBORAH: Women? Oh, God.'}, {'start': '158.525', 'end': '160.359', 'text': 'MAX: Seventy-two percent\n of them have children,'}, {'start': '160.459', 'end': '163.296', 'text': 'and 37 percent are on medication\n for high blood pressure.'}, {'start': '163.396', 'end': '165.197', 'text': 'DEBORAH: Well, who cares\n about stressed-out moms?'}, {'start': '165.264', 'end': '166.298', 'text': "They don't laugh at anything."}, {'start': '166.432', 'end': '167.600', 'text': 'BOBBY: The thing\nabout the focus group scene'}, {'start': '167.767', 'end': '171.270', 'text': "that also got me was--\nthis isn't a humorous aspect,"}, {'start': '171.336', 'end': '173.606', 'text': "but it's another moment\nwhere you kind of"}, {'start': '173.672', 'end': '175.474', 'text': 'have to get brought back\ninto reality'}, {'start': '175.541', 'end': '178.444', 'text': 'because every once in a while,\nthis show has to remind you'}, {'start': '178.511', 'end': '180.746', 'text': "that it's set in the real world\nwhere even though you're like,"}, {'start': '180.813', 'end': '184.383', 'text': '"Oh, there isn\'t a woman\nhosting a late-night talk show'}, {'start': '184.449', 'end': '185.518', 'text': 'on the Big Three right now,"'}, {'start': '185.751', 'end': '188.487', 'text': 'like this is sort of\na fantasy land in this sad way,'}, {'start': '188.554', 'end': '191.957', 'text': 'and then the show reminds you,\nlike, but in the real world,'}, {'start': '192.024', 'end': '193.393', 'text': "people don't like women. Right?"}, {'start': '193.493', 'end': '196.495', 'text': 'Like, this person is not liked\nby her own demographic'}, {'start': '196.562', 'end': '198.564', 'text': 'for reasons that probably make\na little bit of sense.'}, {'start': '198.664', 'end': '200.333', 'text': "And it's like\nevery once in a while,"}, {'start': '200.399', 'end': '201.567', 'text': 'the show has to remind you,'}, {'start': '201.634', 'end': '204.337', 'text': 'like, this is real,\nand the stakes are high.'}, {'start': '204.437', 'end': '205.605', 'text': 'LINDSEY: Right, and then,\nyou know,'}, {'start': '205.671', 'end': '207.573', 'text': 'so they are leaning\ninto kind of,'}, {'start': '207.639', 'end': '210.576', 'text': 'what would these-- what do\nthese suburban housewives want?'}, {'start': '210.643', 'end': '212.611', 'text': "In the most, like,\nstereotypical way, they're like,"}, {'start': '212.678', 'end': '214.280', 'text': '"They want her to be able\nto be in the kitchen,"'}, {'start': '214.446', 'end': '217.650', 'text': "-when Deborah's in that sequence\nwith Antoni--\n-BOBBY: With Antoni Porowski."}, {'start': '217.716', 'end': '220.352', 'text': 'LINDSEY: ...and she\'s like,\n"I love, like, cooking.'}, {'start': '220.419', 'end': '221.487', 'text': 'I love being in the kitchen,"'}, {'start': '221.820', 'end': '223.456', 'text': 'and her, like, extensions\nare, like, getting in the food.'}, {'start': '223.556', 'end': '225.324', 'text': '-(LAUGHS)\n-BOBBY: Getting in the soup,\ngetting in the sauce.'}, {'start': '225.391', 'end': '229.461', 'text': 'So, after Deborah Vance asks\nthe wonderfully delightful'}, {'start': '229.561', 'end': '233.265', 'text': 'and sweet Kristen Bell\nto be on her show,'}, {'start': '233.332', 'end': '235.167', 'text': 'and Kristen Bell says,\n"Oh, absolutely.'}, {'start': '235.234', 'end': '236.902', 'text': 'Like, let\'s exchange numbers,\nI\'ll do it,"'}, {'start': '237.003', 'end': '239.238', 'text': 'Jimmy Kimmel confronts her\nin the parking lot,'}, {'start': '239.304', 'end': '240.606', 'text': 'yet another reminder\nthat the show exists'}, {'start': '240.706', 'end': '242.875', 'text': "in a version of the real world,\nwhere he's like,"}, {'start': '243.375', 'end': '246.512', 'text': '"Fuck you!\nDo not pounce on my guests.'}, {'start': '246.613', 'end': '247.413', 'text': 'I hate you."'}, {'start': '247.579', 'end': '248.580', 'text': 'LINDSEY: I just think, like,'}, {'start': '248.647', 'end': '249.748', 'text': 'there is something\nvery interesting'}, {'start': '250.115', 'end': '253.118', 'text': "about who's willing to kind of\ndemonize themselves for fiction,"}, {'start': '253.185', 'end': '255.721', 'text': 'like, but still he is Kimmel.'}, {'start': '255.788', 'end': '257.756', 'text': 'And this also speaks\nto kind of--'}, {'start': '257.823', 'end': '260.326', 'text': "we've heard reference\nto other late-night hosts,"}, {'start': '260.392', 'end': '262.128', 'text': 'kind of, "Oh,\nand they\'ll show up,'}, {'start': '262.228', 'end': '263.429', 'text': 'and they\'ll cameo,\nand da da da."'}, {'start': '263.496', 'end': '265.698', 'text': "And then she's really getting\nthe real tea"}, {'start': '265.765', 'end': '268.668', 'text': 'when Jimmy Kimmel accosts her\nin the parking lot'}, {'start': '268.735', 'end': '272.838', 'text': 'and is like, "We hate your ass."\nLike, "How dare you?"'}, {'start': '272.905', 'end': '274.607', 'text': "BOBBY: It's a nice reminder\nof the stakes too."}, {'start': '274.674', 'end': '276.075', 'text': '\'Cause you\'re like, "Oh, right."'}, {'start': '276.142', 'end': '277.376', 'text': "The people\nthat she's competing against"}, {'start': '277.442', 'end': '280.446', 'text': 'in the Big Three are,\nlike, huge names.'}, {'start': '280.546', 'end': '282.281', 'text': 'They get the talent\nthat they want.'}, {'start': '282.414', 'end': '283.716', 'text': "Deborah's gonna have\na hard time."}, {'start': '283.883', 'end': '286.151', 'text': 'JIMMY KIMMEL: Everyone knows\nthat when she has a new project,'}, {'start': '286.218', 'end': '287.520', 'text': 'she does my show first.'}, {'start': '287.653', 'end': '289.922', 'text': 'I got full custody\n when Conan died.'}, {'start': '289.989', 'end': '291.357', 'text': 'DEBORAH: Oh, you own her.'}, {'start': '291.490', 'end': '293.325', 'text': "KIMMEL: Let's just say\n I put in my time."}, {'start': '293.458', 'end': '295.028', 'text': 'BOBBY: So, in the tail end\nof the episode,'}, {'start': '295.128', 'end': '296.829', 'text': 'Deborah has had\nher delightful dinner'}, {'start': '296.929', 'end': '298.163', 'text': 'with Antoni Porowski,'}, {'start': '298.297', 'end': '300.632', 'text': 'where Antoni has shared tea\non Tan France.'}, {'start': '300.732', 'end': '303.569', 'text': "And as she's leaving\nthe restaurant,"}, {'start': '303.636', 'end': '307.807', 'text': 'she spots Ava on a date\nwith her couple friend,'}, {'start': '307.940', 'end': '309.342', 'text': 'her throuple in total.'}, {'start': '309.408', 'end': '310.743', 'text': 'LINDSEY: Her couple--\nHer couple-couple.'}, {'start': '310.810', 'end': '312.344', 'text': '-BOBBY: Her couple-couple.\n-LINDSEY: Her couple-dates.'}, {'start': '312.411', 'end': '313.679', 'text': "Yeah, the couple\nthat she's dating."}, {'start': '313.779', 'end': '315.981', 'text': 'And Deborah learns\nthat Ava thinks the show is bad.'}, {'start': '316.048', 'end': '318.684', 'text': "And I think that's like,\nthis is the big turning point"}, {'start': '318.751', 'end': '321.220', 'text': 'where, like,\ntheir fundamental disagreements'}, {'start': '321.286', 'end': '323.689', 'text': 'on what the show should be\ncome to a head.'}, {'start': '323.856', 'end': '327.760', 'text': 'Like, they do not agree\non what the show should be.'}, {'start': '327.827', 'end': '330.863', 'text': 'And Ava essentially has to say\nto Deborah, like,'}, {'start': '331.063', 'end': '334.833', 'text': '"I hate what we\'re putting out,\nand I want it to be different."'}, {'start': '334.933', 'end': '337.069', 'text': 'I feel like after every episode,\nI\'m like, "Who wins?'}, {'start': '337.169', 'end': '338.304', 'text': 'Like, who won this episode?"'}, {'start': '338.370', 'end': '339.371', 'text': "-It's Deborah.\n-BOBBY: Deborah won."}, {'start': '339.471', 'end': '341.941', 'text': '-For sure.\n-LINDSEY: Like, she-- she...'}, {'start': '343.208', 'end': '345.111', 'text': 'they both know this is not the--'}, {'start': '345.178', 'end': '346.612', 'text': 'this is\nthe more embarrassing version'}, {'start': '346.678', 'end': '348.581', 'text': 'of the show\nthat they want to do,'}, {'start': '348.647', 'end': '351.684', 'text': 'but Deborah stepped up\nand did it.'}, {'start': '351.751', 'end': '354.786', 'text': "And that's what Ava can't do\nis she can't step up"}, {'start': '354.853', 'end': '357.657', 'text': 'and just make the show\nwhat they need it to be.'}, {'start': '357.757', 'end': '361.160', 'text': "She can't meld those-- the ideas\nof what she wants to do"}, {'start': '361.227', 'end': '362.661', 'text': 'and what\nthe network wants them to do.'}, {'start': '362.761', 'end': '364.397', 'text': 'And Deborah\'s like, "I can.'}, {'start': '364.497', 'end': '365.831', 'text': 'I\'ll figure it out.\nI\'m doing it."'}, {'start': '365.898', 'end': '367.633', 'text': 'BOBBY: And even when Ava goes\nbehind her back'}, {'start': '367.734', 'end': '369.702', 'text': 'and sort of asserts herself\nas the head writer'}, {'start': '369.769', 'end': '372.537', 'text': 'and has those cue cards changed,\nultimately,'}, {'start': '372.604', 'end': '374.506', 'text': "she still doesn't have\nas much power as Deborah"}, {'start': '374.573', 'end': '375.841', 'text': "because Deborah's\nthe one on mic."}, {'start': '375.941', 'end': '377.409', 'text': "Deborah's the one\nin front of the camera."}, {'start': '377.476', 'end': '379.044', 'text': "She doesn't have to read\nwhat's on the cue cards."}, {'start': '379.111', 'end': '381.013', 'text': 'Like, she is constantly\nasserting her dominance'}, {'start': '381.080', 'end': '382.548', 'text': "-in this environment.\n-LINDSEY: That's true."}, {'start': '382.681', 'end': '384.950', 'text': "BOBBY: And with that, let's get\ninto our interview portion"}, {'start': '385.017', 'end': '385.718', 'text': 'of this episode.'}, {'start': '386.218', 'end': '388.554', 'text': 'Big episode because we have\ntwo guests joining us today.'}, {'start': '388.721', 'end': '390.656', 'text': 'The first will be\nAisha Muharrar,'}, {'start': '390.756', 'end': '393.459', 'text': 'who is a co-executive producer\nand wrote this episode,'}, {'start': '393.559', 'end': '394.794', 'text': 'and then you will hear\nour conversation'}, {'start': '394.860', 'end': '397.796', 'text': 'with Michaela Watkins\nwho, of course, plays Stacey'}, {'start': '397.897', 'end': '398.630', 'text': 'the HR rep.'}, {'start': '398.764', 'end': '403.835', 'text': '♪ (MELLOW TRANSITION MUSIC\nPLAYS) ♪'}, {'start': '403.902', 'end': '407.172', 'text': 'BOBBY: And now we are so happy\nto be joined by Aisha Muharrar,'}, {'start': '407.239', 'end': '409.241', 'text': "the writer of today's episode."}, {'start': '409.508', 'end': '410.976', 'text': 'Aisha, thank you for being here.'}, {'start': '411.043', 'end': '411.777', 'text': 'AISHA MUHARRAR: Thank you!'}, {'start': '411.977', 'end': '413.479', 'text': "I'm so excited\nthat you're hosting this."}, {'start': '413.546', 'end': '414.746', 'text': 'I think you already had Ariel,'}, {'start': '414.813', 'end': '417.150', 'text': 'so you know\nthat Ariel is a super fan,'}, {'start': '417.216', 'end': '419.852', 'text': 'and I was introduced\nto your podcast through Ariel,'}, {'start': '419.919', 'end': '422.021', 'text': "so it's a big thing\nwithin the Hacks room, like--"}, {'start': '422.221', 'end': '424.122', 'text': "-BOBBY: She's proselytizing.\n-LINDSEY: Oh my, what an honor."}, {'start': '424.189', 'end': '426.025', 'text': '-BOBBY: Great.\n-LINDSEY: Honestly, an honor\nand a privilege.'}, {'start': '426.092', 'end': '430.862', 'text': 'BOBBY: So, this episode begins\nwith a focus group session.'}, {'start': '430.996', 'end': '434.633', 'text': 'Focus groups, always funny,\nalways drama-filled.'}, {'start': '435.067', 'end': '437.469', 'text': 'Have you ever had to deal\nwith focus group data'}, {'start': '437.536', 'end': '438.504', 'text': 'in your writing job?'}, {'start': '438.637', 'end': '439.872', 'text': "Like, in the many projects\nyou've had,"}, {'start': '439.972', 'end': '442.241', 'text': 'have you ever had to deal with,\nlike, "Well, you know,'}, {'start': '442.308', 'end': '445.644', 'text': 'Jill from Iowa says\nthat they don\'t really like\nX, Y, or Z."'}, {'start': '446.078', 'end': '449.448', 'text': "AISHA: You know, I've never had\nan official focus group,"}, {'start': '449.514', 'end': '450.850', 'text': 'but I do feel--\nwhen I was working--'}, {'start': '450.917', 'end': '452.685', 'text': 'I worked\non Parks and Recreation,'}, {'start': '452.751', 'end': '456.455', 'text': 'and I think Twitter was that\nat the time.'}, {'start': '456.689', 'end': '459.992', 'text': 'Like, I remember there being,\nlike, reactions to episodes.'}, {'start': '460.058', 'end': '462.427', 'text': 'As they were on, people were\nkind of live tweeting,'}, {'start': '462.494', 'end': '464.496', 'text': 'or the day after,\nthere would be a response.'}, {'start': '464.596', 'end': '467.333', 'text': 'I think that was the closest\nwe got to it, you know.'}, {'start': '467.400', 'end': '472.338', 'text': 'And I remember, I think Mike,\nour showrunner at the time,'}, {'start': '472.438', 'end': '474.973', 'text': 'was also like,\n"It\'s also self-selecting."'}, {'start': '475.040', 'end': '475.774', 'text': 'It was who we were--'}, {'start': '476.108', 'end': '477.376', 'text': 'the writers were following\non Twitter, you know,'}, {'start': '477.476', 'end': '478.811', 'text': "-or, like, someone--\n-LINDSEY: Wait, that's--"}, {'start': '478.877', 'end': '480.947', 'text': "AISHA:\nSo it's also very specific,"}, {'start': '481.013', 'end': '481.881', 'text': 'which I think, you know,'}, {'start': '482.114', 'end': '484.016', 'text': "is what's happening\nwith Ava, too, to some extent,"}, {'start': '484.083', 'end': '486.886', 'text': "where it's like thinking about\nwhat your peers are thinking"}, {'start': '486.986', 'end': '488.920', 'text': 'and wanting to impress them\nand stuff like that.'}, {'start': '489.187', 'end': '493.692', 'text': 'BOBBY: So, this episode is\nall about sort of genuflecting'}, {'start': '493.793', 'end': '496.662', 'text': "towards the mothers\nwho don't really like her."}, {'start': '496.762', 'end': '499.565', 'text': 'They keep saying,\n"You have a problem with women,"\nbut--'}, {'start': '499.632', 'end': '501.033', 'text': 'LINDSEY: Or, "Women have\na problem with you."'}, {'start': '501.100', 'end': '502.968', 'text': 'BOBBY: "Women have a problem\nwith you."'}, {'start': '503.035', 'end': '503.769', 'text': 'LINDSEY: Right.'}, {'start': '504.170', 'end': '507.873', 'text': "BOBBY: And she's trying\nto tap into her wine mom center,"}, {'start': '507.940', 'end': '510.276', 'text': 'you know, effectively,\nineffectively,'}, {'start': '510.342', 'end': '511.343', 'text': "that's up for debate."}, {'start': '511.410', 'end': '512.311', 'text': 'Although I think'}, {'start': '512.544', 'end': '513.846', 'text': "it's pretty much\nobjectively ineffectively."}, {'start': '514.046', 'end': '516.181', 'text': 'There are other moms\nin this episode.'}, {'start': '516.615', 'end': '518.717', 'text': "There's herself\nbecause she's the mother of DJ."}, {'start': '518.784', 'end': '521.787', 'text': "And then, of course,\nthere's Dance Mom,"}, {'start': '522.054', 'end': '523.689', 'text': 'who, when I found out'}, {'start': '523.756', 'end': '527.159', 'text': 'that Julianne Nicholson\nwas 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Like,\nthis conversation has happened.'}, {'start': '891.790', 'end': '893.125', 'text': 'They have a life outside of even'}, {'start': '893.192', 'end': '895.027', 'text': 'their working relationship\ntogether.'}, {'start': '895.861', 'end': '897.128', 'text': 'BOBBY: So,\none of the central conflicts'}, {'start': '897.228', 'end': '900.132', 'text': 'of this episode is\nthe creative differences'}, {'start': '900.199', 'end': '903.301', 'text': 'between Ava and Deborah,\nbecause Ava is,'}, {'start': '903.368', 'end': '906.471', 'text': 'you know,\nsad about not being eligible'}, {'start': '906.538', 'end': '907.873', 'text': 'for a Peabody Award.'}, {'start': '907.973', 'end': '909.641', 'text': 'Deborah just wants\nto top the charts.'}, {'start': '909.708', 'end': '912.444', 'text': 'But what are your thoughts\nabout that kind of comedy,'}, {'start': '912.511', 'end': '914.246', 'text': 'and maybe especially\nin Late Night?'}, {'start': '914.313', 'end': '916.548', 'text': 'Like, what should\na late-night show be doing?'}, {'start': '916.614', 'end': '918.917', 'text': 'Should it be more comedic\nor should it be more political?'}, {'start': '919.017', 'end': '920.519', 'text': 'AISHA: Well, I think\nyou have different shows'}, {'start': '920.585', 'end': '921.286', 'text': 'doing different things.'}, {'start': '921.519', 'end': '924.156', 'text': "And I think\nfor Deborah and Ava, it's..."}, {'start': '924.423', 'end': '927.059', 'text': 'you know, when they were working\non their material together,'}, {'start': '927.125', 'end': '928.460', 'text': 'it was about making\nthe other one laugh.'}, {'start': '928.526', 'end': '930.829', 'text': "Like, that's how they'd know\nsomething was working."}, {'start': '930.895', 'end': '931.964', 'text': 'And that is true of--'}, {'start': '932.331', 'end': '933.932', 'text': "You know, that's how we are\nin the room, where it's like,"}, {'start': '933.999', 'end': '936.835', 'text': "if we're laughing together,\nthen that 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'text': 'like luckily we are at Hacks,\nwhere we, you know,'}, {'start': '956.054', 'end': '957.289', 'text': 'are all pretty much\non the same page'}, {'start': '957.356', 'end': '958.757', 'text': 'in terms of what we find funny,'}, {'start': '958.824', 'end': '960.091', 'text': 'then that can be a great moment.'}, {'start': '960.158', 'end': '961.727', 'text': "But Deborah and Ava,\nlike, that's the thing"}, {'start': '961.827', 'end': '963.495', 'text': 'that made\ntheir relationship special,'}, {'start': '963.562', 'end': '965.064', 'text': "and that's the thing\nthat they've now severed."}, {'start': '965.164', 'end': '966.398', 'text': "Like, they don't have\nthat connection."}, {'start': '966.564', 'end': '969.200', 'text': "So I feel like they're both--\nwithout having each other,"}, {'start': '969.267', 'end': '972.370', 'text': "they're both going\nto their own separate metrics"}, {'start': '972.504', 'end': '973.872', 'text': 'of what makes something\na success.'}, 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'1038.269', 'text': 'because she knows,\n"I don\'t want to be doing that."'}, {'start': '1038.336', 'end': '1040.672', 'text': 'But to them, they\'re like,\n"Yeah, The Golden Bachelor.'}, {'start': '1040.739', 'end': '1042.073', 'text': 'Like, you got him.'}, {'start': '1042.140', 'end': '1043.141', 'text': '-That\'s great."\n-(HOSTS LAUGH)'}, {'start': '1043.274', 'end': '1044.743', 'text': 'AISHA: She\'s like,\n"I didn\'t want that."'}, {'start': '1044.809', 'end': '1046.044', 'text': 'Because again, like, they--'}, {'start': '1046.578', 'end': '1050.515', 'text': "they don't have their duo bond\nthat they normally have"}, {'start': '1050.582', 'end': '1051.283', 'text': 'as a guiding light.'}, {'start': '1051.516', 'end': '1053.285', 'text': 'So I really--\nwhen we talked about that'}, {'start': '1053.352', 'end': '1055.621', 'text': 'in the room this season\nof, like, them both'}, {'start': '1055.687', 'end': '1059.024', 'text': 'without each other going\nto, like, what their 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watching\n every night."}, {'start': '1105.270', 'end': '1106.705', 'text': '-PARTNER: Uh...\n-PARTNER 2: Um...'}, {'start': '1106.771', 'end': '1107.739', 'text': 'DEBORAH: What?'}, {'start': '1109.408', 'end': '1111.376', 'text': 'AVA: I told them\nto wait for it to get good.'}, {'start': '1111.743', 'end': '1114.479', 'text': 'AISHA: Yeah, I felt for Deborah\nin the writing of that'}, {'start': '1114.545', 'end': '1116.748', 'text': 'and felt not sorry for her,\nbut just sad'}, {'start': '1116.848', 'end': '1120.585', 'text': "because it's also she's--\nshe's revealing a vulnerability"}, {'start': '1120.652', 'end': '1122.321', 'text': "that she didn't even realize\nshe had, you know."}, {'start': '1122.421', 'end': '1124.489', 'text': "She's not going into it thinking\nat what like-- this is like,"}, {'start': '1124.556', 'end': '1126.557', 'text': '"Oh, obviously,\nthey\'re watching the show."'}, {'start': '1126.824', 'end': '1129.094', 'text': "-And I think\nthere's also 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'1171.369', 'end': '1173.204', 'text': "It's something that's real\nbetween them now."}, {'start': '1173.304', 'end': '1174.706', 'text': '-LINDSEY: Right.\n-AISHA: So I really felt for it.'}, {'start': '1174.773', 'end': '1177.476', 'text': 'And as always,\nJean did an amazing job.'}, {'start': '1177.542', 'end': '1179.244', 'text': 'So, like, you-- I feel like'}, {'start': '1179.311', 'end': '1181.680', 'text': 'as much as I felt it\nwhen we were writing it,'}, {'start': '1182.147', 'end': '1184.115', 'text': 'seeing it onscreen is\nalso totally different.'}, {'start': '1184.182', 'end': '1185.350', 'text': '-LINDSEY: She pulled it off.\n-AISHA: Yeah.'}, {'start': '1185.416', 'end': '1186.484', 'text': "BOBBY:\nIt's important, like every--"}, {'start': '1186.551', 'end': '1188.386', 'text': 'In this moment of the season,'}, {'start': '1188.519', 'end': '1190.321', 'text': "when they're still\na little bit at odds,"}, {'start': '1190.588', 'end': '1192.357', 'text': "as a viewer,\nyou're really grasping"}, {'start': '1192.424', 'end': '1194.459', 'text': 'at all those moments\nwhere you can be reminded'}, {'start': '1194.526', 'end': '1197.095', 'text': 'that they really do care\nabout each other still,'}, {'start': '1197.162', 'end': '1198.130', 'text': 'despite everything.'}, {'start': '1198.463', 'end': '1200.565', 'text': 'And they care about what\nthe other thinks about them.'}, {'start': '1200.632', 'end': '1202.567', 'text': '-LINDSEY:\nRight, especially creatively.\n-BOBBY: Yeah.'}, {'start': '1202.634', 'end': '1204.803', 'text': 'LINDSEY: They really care\nwhat each other thinks'}, {'start': '1204.870', 'end': '1206.171', 'text': 'creatively still,'}, {'start': '1206.238', 'end': '1209.340', 'text': "even if they don't like\neach other at this point."}, {'start': '1209.407', 'end': '1210.308', 'text': '-BOBBY: Mm-hmm.\n-AISHA: Yes.'}, {'start': '1210.575', 'end': '1211.777', 'text': "BOBBY: And they're clashing\nat the office."}, {'start': '1211.843', 'end': '1212.544', 'text': 'AISHA: (LAUGHS) Yeah.'}, {'start': '1212.844', 'end': '1214.012', 'text': 'LINDSEY AND AISHA:\n"Clashing at the office."'}, {'start': '1214.178', 'end': '1215.246', 'text': "AISHA: That's the subtitle\nfor the season."}, {'start': '1215.313', 'end': '1217.181', 'text': 'BOBBY: So,\nthank you so much, Aisha,'}, {'start': '1217.248', 'end': '1218.316', 'text': '-for being with us.\n-AISHA: Thank you.'}, {'start': '1218.516', 'end': '1219.617', 'text': '-BOBBY: This was so much fun.\n-LINDSEY: So fun!'}, {'start': '1220.051', 'end': '1221.552', 'text': '-BOBBY: We love the episode,\nlove the season.\n-AISHA: Thank you.'}, {'start': '1221.586', 'end': '1223.054', 'text': '-It was so great talking to you.\n-BOBBY: Congratulations.'}, {'start': '1223.054', 'end': '1225.023', 'text': '-LINDSEY: Yes,\nthanks for coming on!\n-BOBBY: We had a blast!'}, {'start': '1225.023', 'end': '1226.258', 'text': 'LINDSEY: This was great!'}, {'start': '1227.525', 'end': '1229.961', 'text': 'BOBBY: We are here\nwith Stacey from HR herself.'}, {'start': '1230.027', 'end': '1231.062', 'text': "It's Michaela Watkins."}, {'start': '1231.329', 'end': '1232.998', 'text': 'Michaela, thank you so much\nfor joining us today.'}, {'start': '1233.098', 'end': '1235.500', 'text': 'MICHAELA WATKINS: Thank you.\nThank you so much for having me.'}, {'start': '1235.567', 'end': '1236.601', 'text': "BOBBY: It's our pleasure."}, {'start': '1236.701', 'end': '1238.903', 'text': 'Stacey herself is\nin the house with us.'}, {'start': '1238.970', 'end': '1239.804', 'text': '(MICHAELA CHUCKLES)'}, {'start': '1240.038', 'end': '1242.240', 'text': '-LINDSEY: Stacey from HR.\n-BOBBY: Stacey from HR.'}, {'start': '1242.340', 'end': '1243.842', 'text': 'LINDSEY: What I love\nabout Stacey is'}, {'start': '1243.909', 'end': '1246.511', 'text': "that when you show up,\nyou're kind of like,"}, {'start': '1246.578', 'end': '1248.613', 'text': '"Oh, this is such a good cameo.'}, 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It\'s HR!"'}, {'start': '1252.150', 'end': '1254.753', 'text': "You know, it's like\nthey're gonna have\ntheir meeting,"}, {'start': '1254.819', 'end': '1255.553', 'text': "and then she's gonna go,"}, {'start': '1255.920', 'end': '1257.455', 'text': 'and then they just find,\nlike, the most beautiful way'}, {'start': '1257.522', 'end': '1260.525', 'text': 'to make sure\nyou are always there. (LAUGHS)'}, {'start': '1260.592', 'end': '1262.561', 'text': "BOBBY: It's sort of like\nyou're always expecting"}, {'start': '1262.627', 'end': '1265.296', 'text': 'the camera to pan and see\nStacey holding her water bottle,'}, {'start': '1265.363', 'end': '1267.232', 'text': 'just observing\nand being so disturbed'}, {'start': '1267.298', 'end': '1268.366', 'text': "by what she's seeing."}, {'start': '1268.599', 'end': '1270.568', 'text': "MICHAELA: I'm so glad\nyou noted the water bottle."}, {'start': '1270.635', 'end': '1271.636', 'text': '-That was--\n-LINDSEY: Oh, yeah.'}, {'start': '1272.070', 'end': '1273.805', 'text': 'MICHAELA:\nThat was a character thing\nthat I was like--'}, {'start': '1273.872', 'end': '1276.341', 'text': "we're just-- she's just\nalways holding her water."}, {'start': '1276.408', 'end': '1280.445', 'text': "Like she's-- you know,\nobsessively has her water bottle"}, {'start': '1280.511', 'end': '1282.914', 'text': "and a giant bag\nthat she's pulling things"}, {'start': '1282.980', 'end': '1284.416', 'text': 'in and out of all the time.'}, {'start': '1284.482', 'end': '1286.784', 'text': 'BOBBY: Do you think\nStacey is flavoring her water?'}, {'start': '1286.851', 'end': '1290.155', 'text': "I'm seeing her put\na little packet of something\nin there."}, {'start': '1290.221', 'end': '1292.390', 'text': "She's not drinking water raw,\nyou know."}, {'start': '1292.457', 'end': '1294.425', 'text': "MICHAELA: Right.\nBut it's probably like--"}, {'start': '1294.492', 'end': '1297.362', 'text': 'like a Nestea\nor something really outdated.'}, {'start': '1297.429', 'end': '1298.697', 'text': '-LINDSEY: Crystal Light.\n-MICHAELA: Crystal Light.'}, {'start': '1298.763', 'end': '1300.031', 'text': "LINDSEY:\nIt's not like electrolytes."}, {'start': '1300.098', 'end': '1302.166', 'text': "It's like the OG flavor.\n(LAUGHS)"}, {'start': '1302.233', 'end': '1303.501', 'text': "MICHAELA: Yes, it's like she's--"}, {'start': '1303.568', 'end': '1305.637', 'text': "LINDSEY: She's buying it\non eBay in bulk."}, {'start': '1305.704', 'end': '1306.904', 'text': '(ALL LAUGH)'}, {'start': '1306.971', 'end': '1308.840', 'text': "LINDSEY: You're also doing\na lot of, for this one,"}, {'start': '1308.907', 'end': '1309.807', 'text': 'physical comedy, which I--'}, {'start': '1310.107', 'end': '1313.077', 'text': 'not just the water bottle being\nlike a prop beyond props,'}, {'start': '1313.144', 'end': '1315.146', 'text': 'but, like, you take a big splat.'}, {'start': '1315.213', 'end': '1317.349', 'text': '(ALL LAUGH)'}, {'start': '1317.415', 'end': '1318.817', 'text': 'MICHAELA: When I got up\nto start speaking,'}, {'start': '1318.884', 'end': '1321.386', 'text': 'it said, "She put her tooth\nthrough her lip."'}, {'start': '1321.453', 'end': '1323.488', 'text': '-(HOSTS LAUGH)\n-MICHAELA: And so, um,'}, {'start': '1323.555', 'end': '1325.390', 'text': 'when I came back up,'}, {'start': '1325.623', 'end': '1327.358', 'text': 'I was... (BLABBERING)\n...kind of like this.'}, {'start': '1327.425', 'end': '1329.527', 'text': "Like, I couldn't even\nget the words out..."}, {'start': '1329.594', 'end': '1331.829', 'text': '(IN NORMAL VOICE) And, um,\nso that was the only,'}, {'start': '1331.896', 'end': '1335.266', 'text': 'like, sort of flair\nthat I felt like I brought,'}, {'start': '1335.333', 'end': '1337.535', 'text': "but... (LAUGHS)\n...I don't know. I don't know."}, {'start': '1337.602', 'end': '1339.404', 'text': 'Because they\'re like, "We can\'t\nunderstand what you\'re saying."'}, {'start': '1339.471', 'end': '1341.672', 'text': '(ALL LAUGH)'}, {'start': '1341.739', 'end': '1343.474', 'text': "STACEY: I'm with you two\n all the time."}, {'start': '1343.541', 'end': '1346.144', 'text': "You, you're obsessed\n with data and demos."}, {'start': '1346.210', 'end': '1347.378', 'text': 'I mean, get over it!'}, {'start': '1347.445', 'end': '1349.214', 'text': "And you, you're obsessed"}, {'start': '1349.281', 'end': '1351.516', 'text': 'with making this show\n seem so highbrow.'}, {'start': '1351.583', 'end': '1352.984', 'text': '-AVA: What?\n-STACEY: Yes, honey.'}, {'start': '1353.051', 'end': '1355.487', 'text': 'I see you on your phone\n constantly Googling,'}, {'start': '1355.554', 'end': '1358.089', 'text': '"When is the Peabody Award\n submission date?"'}, {'start': '1358.156', 'end': '1359.323', 'text': 'December 1st.'}, {'start': '1359.390', 'end': '1360.525', 'text': 'December 1st!'}, {'start': '1360.792', 'end': '1362.594', 'text': 'BOBBY: Was there\nstunt double work in that moment'}, {'start': '1362.660', 'end': '1364.129', 'text': 'when you fall\nright on the floor?'}, {'start': '1364.195', 'end': '1365.597', 'text': 'Like, how was that shot?'}, {'start': '1365.663', 'end': '1368.667', 'text': 'MICHAELA: There was a black mat\non the black floor.'}, {'start': '1368.934', 'end': '1372.270', 'text': 'So, this woman\nwho is dressed like me,'}, {'start': '1372.436', 'end': '1374.106', 'text': 'who is a stunt woman,'}, {'start': '1374.206', 'end': '1378.676', 'text': 'did a flying leap at it\nover and over and over again.'}, {'start': '1378.743', 'end': '1380.445', 'text': "LINDSEY: But that's so funny\nto watch."}, {'start': '1380.511', 'end': '1381.480', 'text': "I'm sorry. (CHUCKLES)"}, {'start': '1381.713', 'end': '1383.014', 'text': 'MICHAELA: It was really funny\nand horrifying.'}, {'start': '1383.214', 'end': '1386.150', 'text': 'And there was like a live\nstudio audience still in there'}, {'start': '1386.250', 'end': '1387.485', 'text': 'while she was doing that.'}, {'start': '1387.819', 'end': '1390.455', 'text': 'And then it was my turn,\nand they-- you know,'}, {'start': '1390.522', 'end': '1393.625', 'text': 'they were like, just this,\nthat, the other thing.'}, {'start': '1393.892', 'end': '1395.760', 'text': 'And I loved it.'}, {'start': '1395.827', 'end': '1398.196', 'text': 'I would just like get some air\nand go flying.'}, {'start': '1398.263', 'end': '1400.598', 'text': '-(ALL LAUGH)\n-MICHAELA: They\'re like,\n"Too much air."'}, {'start': '1400.665', 'end': '1403.534', 'text': "It's like... (LAUGHS)\n...you wouldn't have a face left"}, {'start': '1403.634', 'end': '1405.971', 'text': 'if you fell really\non the floor like that.'}, {'start': '1406.271', 'end': '1408.239', 'text': 'So they pulled back with her,'}, {'start': '1408.306', 'end': '1412.577', 'text': 'and then they went in closer\nwith me flying, and then-- yeah.'}, {'start': '1412.677', 'end': '1414.845', 'text': "LINDSEY: Oh, that's fun.\nYou do your own stunts."}, {'start': '1414.912', 'end': '1415.646', 'text': '(LAUGHTER)'}, {'start': '1415.913', 'end': '1419.016', 'text': 'BOBBY: Have you ever heard\nof someone having'}, {'start': '1419.083', 'end': '1421.319', 'text': 'such bad behavior at work'}, {'start': '1421.385', 'end': '1422.921', 'text': 'or engaging in\nsuch bad behavior at work'}, {'start': '1423.021', 'end': '1425.023', 'text': "that they've required\nan HR chaperone?"}, {'start': '1425.090', 'end': '1427.192', 'text': 'Is this-- Is this lore for you?'}, {'start': '1428.225', 'end': '1429.694', 'text': "MICHAELA: I'm having a think."}, {'start': '1430.361', 'end': '1433.698', 'text': "On my sets,\nno, that's never happened."}, {'start': '1433.998', 'end': '1435.733', 'text': 'It never has, um...'}, {'start': '1435.800', 'end': '1438.836', 'text': 'Like, put it this way,\nit probably should have happened'}, {'start': '1439.336', 'end': '1441.672', 'text': 'at times, um, a while back,'}, {'start': '1441.739', 'end': '1445.310', 'text': "but we didn't have,\nyou know, verbiage for that."}, {'start': '1445.810', 'end': '1448.646', 'text': "BOBBY: There's a chance\nthat seeing HR Stacey"}, {'start': '1448.746', 'end': '1450.348', 'text': 'might give some people\nsome ideas'}, {'start': '1450.415', 'end': '1451.982', 'text': 'because she works.'}, {'start': '1452.049', 'end': '1454.552', 'text': 'She gets the job done\nin the show, you know.'}, {'start': '1454.652', 'end': '1456.855', 'text': 'Her being there is,\nlike, quite effective.'}, {'start': '1456.988', 'end': '1458.356', 'text': 'LINDSEY: Yeah,\nshe breaks tension.'}, {'start': '1458.423', 'end': '1459.423', 'text': 'MICHAELA: She really does.'}, {'start': '1459.490', 'end': '1460.491', 'text': '-She really does.\n-LINDSEY: Yeah.'}, {'start': '1460.558', 'end': '1461.859', 'text': "MICHAELA: There's one moment,"}, {'start': '1461.926', 'end': '1465.696', 'text': 'it just made me laugh so hard\nwhen I watched it,'}, {'start': '1465.763', 'end': '1468.833', 'text': 'and nobody else is going\nto clock it or get it.'}, {'start': '1469.034', 'end': '1470.501', 'text': "So I'm just going\nto say it on here,"}, {'start': '1470.568', 'end': '1472.737', 'text': 'but when HR Stacey goes--'}, {'start': '1472.938', 'end': '1475.440', 'text': 'takes them to the bathroom\nwith her, which-- (LAUGHS)'}, {'start': '1475.507', 'end': '1477.141', 'text': 'LINDSEY: Oh, this is one\nof the best scenes.'}, {'start': '1477.208', 'end': '1479.877', 'text': 'And her feet are under the stall\nthe whole time'}, {'start': '1479.944', 'end': '1481.345', 'text': "while they're screaming\nat each other. Yeah."}, {'start': '1481.412', 'end': '1482.380', 'text': 'MICHAELA: But do you hear the--'}, {'start': '1482.713', 'end': '1485.016', 'text': 'the level of stream\nthat is coming out of Stacey?'}, {'start': '1485.116', 'end': '1486.884', 'text': "-BOBBY: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.\n-LINDSEY: It's loud."}, {'start': '1486.951', 'end': '1487.919', 'text': "DEBORAH:\nIn case you've forgotten,"}, {'start': '1488.119', 'end': '1489.687', 'text': "-I'm the face of this show.\n-(PEE TRICKLING)"}, {'start': '1489.820', 'end': '1492.357', 'text': 'DEBORAH:\nNo one in that focus group\nbrought you up even once,'}, {'start': '1492.423', 'end': '1493.791', 'text': '-if you can believe that.\n-(AVA SCOFFS)'}, {'start': '1493.858', 'end': '1497.095', 'text': 'STACEY: Uh...\n Okay, change of plans.'}, {'start': '1497.862', 'end': '1500.164', 'text': 'Do you guys actually mind\n stepping out?'}, {'start': '1500.398', 'end': '1502.000', 'text': 'DEBORAH: Oh, for the love of...'}, {'start': '1502.300', 'end': '1504.102', 'text': 'STACEY: And remember your tools,'}, {'start': '1504.169', 'end': '1506.070', 'text': 'compassion, not condescension.'}, {'start': '1506.137', 'end': '1509.140', 'text': "AVA: Okay, we'll wait for Stacey\nto finish this conversation."}, {'start': '1509.407', 'end': '1512.277', 'text': "-(DOOR OPENS)\n-STACEY: Well,\n it's gonna be a while."}, {'start': '1513.111', 'end': '1514.845', 'text': "LINDSEY: Wait for me.\nI'll be done in a second."}, {'start': '1514.912', 'end': '1516.481', 'text': 'BOBBY: Is it the only time\nStacey says'}, {'start': '1516.547', 'end': '1518.315', 'text': 'you have to leave me alone\nfor a second?'}, {'start': '1518.382', 'end': '1520.618', 'text': '(BOBBY AND MICHAELA LAUGH)'}, {'start': '1520.685', 'end': '1521.719', 'text': "LINDSEY: It's really good."}, {'start': '1521.819', 'end': '1523.521', 'text': "MICHAELA: There's like\na change of plans."}, {'start': '1523.587', 'end': '1525.990', 'text': '-Um...\n-(ALL LAUGH)'}, {'start': '1526.090', 'end': '1528.426', 'text': 'MICHAELA: Jesus, Stacey.\nI mean, it goes to figure.'}, {'start': '1528.492', 'end': '1529.794', 'text': "She drinks a lot of water,\nshe's gotta--"}, {'start': '1529.861', 'end': '1532.230', 'text': "BOBBY: Right. Oh, I didn't even\nput that together."}, {'start': '1532.297', 'end': '1534.666', 'text': "She's always drinking water.\nHer Crystal Light."}, {'start': '1534.732', 'end': '1536.801', 'text': 'LINDSEY: Yeah, that water bottle\nis huge. (CHUCKLES)'}, {'start': '1536.901', 'end': '1541.439', 'text': 'BOBBY: You have done\nso many voice roles in the past.'}, {'start': '1541.506', 'end': '1542.673', 'text': "Like, you're known"}, {'start': '1542.740', 'end': '1544.008', 'text': 'for your voices,\nyour voice work.'}, {'start': '1544.075', 'end': '1547.945', 'text': "Well, how do you develop\na voice like Stacey's?"}, {'start': '1548.012', 'end': '1552.050', 'text': "Because it's so specific\nand like-- and grating,"}, {'start': '1552.117', 'end': '1553.318', 'text': 'but also so funny.'}, {'start': '1553.384', 'end': '1554.919', 'text': "Like, you don't mind\nlistening to it,"}, {'start': '1554.986', 'end': '1556.954', 'text': "despite the fact that it's kind\nof like nails in the chalkboard."}, {'start': '1557.021', 'end': '1558.689', 'text': 'MICHAELA: Is that true?\nThank you very much'}, {'start': '1558.756', 'end': '1561.259', 'text': "because I can't listen\nto Stacey."}, {'start': '1561.325', 'end': '1563.795', 'text': 'I cannot stomach Stacey.'}, {'start': '1563.862', 'end': '1567.898', 'text': 'Every time I would go\nfrom my cute outfit'}, {'start': '1567.965', 'end': '1571.402', 'text': 'and my nice hair\ninto Stacey was like a moment.'}, {'start': '1571.469', 'end': '1575.806', 'text': 'And then I would have to walk\naround the entire lot like that'}, {'start': '1575.873', 'end': '1577.241', 'text': 'and go get coffee at the thing'}, {'start': '1577.308', 'end': '1578.843', 'text': 'and be like...\n(IN A GRATING VOICE) ..."Hi!"'}, {'start': '1578.910', 'end': '1581.479', 'text': '-Um, but... (CHUCKLES)\n-(BOBBY LAUGHS)'}, {'start': '1581.546', 'end': '1583.715', 'text': "MICHAELA: It's like,\nthe tours are going by"}, {'start': '1583.781', 'end': '1585.049', 'text': 'and the trolley trams,'}, {'start': '1585.116', 'end': '1587.752', 'text': "and I'm just like\nin these ill-fitted,"}, {'start': '1587.818', 'end': '1591.289', 'text': 'bad, bad, bad outfits\nwearing my Clarks.'}, {'start': '1592.057', 'end': '1593.024', 'text': 'Oh, by the way,'}, {'start': '1593.124', 'end': '1595.093', 'text': 'most comfortable outfits\never worn'}, {'start': '1595.159', 'end': '1598.563', 'text': "in any show I've ever done,\nand I'm not mad about that."}, {'start': '1599.130', 'end': '1601.699', 'text': 'Because whenever they say,\n"Do you have allergies?"'}, {'start': '1601.765', 'end': '1603.167', 'text': 'I always say, "Heels."'}, {'start': '1603.434', 'end': '1605.736', 'text': 'But I guess I would say,'}, {'start': '1605.803', 'end': '1608.940', 'text': 'I usually try to tap\ninto someone that I know'}, {'start': '1609.007', 'end': '1611.809', 'text': 'that may have triggered\na response from me before.'}, {'start': '1612.009', 'end': '1613.010', 'text': 'BOBBY: Do you think Stacey,'}, {'start': '1613.310', 'end': '1616.414', 'text': 'at least at this point\nin the season, episode five,'}, {'start': '1616.514', 'end': '1618.082', 'text': 'thinks that she will be\nsuccessful'}, {'start': '1618.149', 'end': '1620.685', 'text': 'or thinks that these two\nwill finally bury the hatchet?'}, {'start': '1620.752', 'end': '1622.420', 'text': 'Or do you think\nshe thinks all is lost?'}, {'start': '1622.820', 'end': '1628.426', 'text': 'MICHAELA: That is-- That is\na philosophical level league'}, {'start': '1628.492', 'end': '1631.863', 'text': 'of literacy\nI was not prepared for.'}, {'start': '1632.997', 'end': '1636.700', 'text': "I don't think Stacey is well\nafter this last season."}, {'start': '1636.767', 'end': '1638.369', 'text': "I don't think that she's--"}, {'start': '1638.436', 'end': '1639.704', 'text': "I-- I don't know--"}, {'start': '1639.971', 'end': '1641.439', 'text': 'When I think of Stacey, I think,'}, {'start': '1641.506', 'end': '1644.375', 'text': 'and how did this very annoying\nwoman climb the ranks'}, {'start': '1644.442', 'end': '1647.112', 'text': "that she has that she's\nnow assigned to the, like,"}, {'start': '1647.278', 'end': '1649.613', 'text': 'two most important people\non this, uh...'}, {'start': '1649.680', 'end': '1651.749', 'text': '-LINDSEY: Right?\n-MICHAELA: ...you know, program?'}, {'start': '1651.949', 'end': '1654.986', 'text': 'Like, who thought that she was\nsuch a people person'}, {'start': '1655.053', 'end': '1657.889', 'text': 'that she should be\nactually promoted?'}, {'start': '1658.356', 'end': '1663.261', 'text': 'And I just feel like\nshe is kind of that person,'}, {'start': '1663.328', 'end': '1665.663', 'text': 'like at every company, right?'}, {'start': '1665.730', 'end': '1669.601', 'text': "You're just like,\nhow do you fly under the radar"}, {'start': '1669.667', 'end': '1672.504', 'text': 'and fall up this long'}, {'start': '1672.804', 'end': '1674.605', 'text': 'and then get to where you are,'}, {'start': '1674.672', 'end': '1677.641', 'text': "where you're just\ntotally unaware"}, {'start': '1677.708', 'end': '1680.511', 'text': 'of how completely annoying\nyou are? (LAUGHS)'}, {'start': '1680.578', 'end': '1681.479', 'text': '(BOBBY LAUGHS)'}, {'start': '1681.646', 'end': '1683.548', 'text': 'MICHAELA: How has nobody\njust been like,'}, {'start': '1683.614', 'end': '1684.982', 'text': '"Absolutely not. No Stacey"?'}, {'start': '1685.049', 'end': '1687.418', 'text': 'It seems like they\'re just like,\n"Let\'s get Stacey in here."'}, {'start': '1687.485', 'end': '1690.955', 'text': 'And probably because of\nthat thing that you just said,'}, {'start': '1691.022', 'end': '1693.958', 'text': 'like her personality is wired\nin such a way'}, {'start': '1694.025', 'end': '1695.459', 'text': 'that it makes everybody behave.'}, {'start': '1695.526', 'end': '1698.162', 'text': "Because if there's one thing\nthey can all come together on,"}, {'start': '1698.229', 'end': '1701.066', 'text': "it's, you know, how much\nthey can't stand her."}, {'start': '1701.332', 'end': '1702.967', 'text': "And that's really unifying."}, {'start': '1703.034', 'end': '1705.970', 'text': "And I think that's probably\nhow she got there."}, {'start': '1706.104', 'end': '1709.507', 'text': "What I don't think she was\nreally ever used to before"}, {'start': '1709.574', 'end': '1710.775', 'text': "is somebody who's--"}, {'start': '1710.875', 'end': '1714.845', 'text': 'Like, comedians are\nso uncensored and so unfiltered,'}, {'start': '1714.912', 'end': '1718.015', 'text': "and I don't think\nthat she was used to them"}, {'start': '1718.082', 'end': '1723.021', 'text': 'being so obviously mean\nto her back, you know...'}, {'start': '1723.087', 'end': '1724.155', 'text': '-BOBBY: Mm-hmm.\n-(LINDSEY CHUCKLES)'}, {'start': '1724.388', 'end': '1727.692', 'text': 'MICHAELA: ...and, like,\nmean-girling her, in a way.'}, {'start': '1727.825', 'end': '1732.196', 'text': 'And so I think that was\nvery scary and confronting,'}, {'start': '1732.263', 'end': '1737.101', 'text': 'and I think that it caused her\nto have some childhood trauma,'}, {'start': '1737.335', 'end': '1740.605', 'text': 'probably from summer camp\nwhen she was ostracized'}, {'start': '1740.671', 'end': '1743.507', 'text': 'and not invited\nto the luau cookout,'}, {'start': '1743.574', 'end': '1746.744', 'text': 'and she, you know, had to go.'}, {'start': '1746.811', 'end': '1748.213', 'text': 'She had a bit of a nervous break'}, {'start': '1748.279', 'end': '1751.548', 'text': 'and has to do something\nabout that.'}, {'start': '1751.815', 'end': '1754.251', 'text': 'LINDSEY: (LAUGHING)\nOh no, Stacey.'}, {'start': '1754.318', 'end': '1756.688', 'text': "Now I'm, like, so deeply moved\nby her story."}, {'start': '1756.754', 'end': '1758.656', 'text': 'MICHAELA: Yeah, poor Stacey.'}, {'start': '1758.723', 'end': '1760.458', 'text': 'BOBBY: I really want the best\nfor Stacey.'}, {'start': '1760.525', 'end': '1761.559', 'text': '-MICHAELA: Do you?\n-BOBBY: Always.'}, {'start': '1761.626', 'end': '1762.994', 'text': '-I do.\n-(MICHAELA CHUCKLES)'}, {'start': '1763.061', 'end': '1764.829', 'text': 'LINDSEY: Away from me,\nbut like generally.'}, {'start': '1764.896', 'end': '1766.063', 'text': '-MICHAELA: Yeah.\n-BOBBY: (LAUGHS) Yeah.'}, {'start': '1766.130', 'end': '1769.234', 'text': 'MICHAELA: Yeah. I mean,\nI want her like, uh--'}, {'start': '1769.300', 'end': '1770.568', 'text': 'Where do we see Stacey?'}, {'start': '1770.902', 'end': '1771.870', 'text': "I don't know."}, {'start': '1772.036', 'end': '1774.405', 'text': "I don't know\nwhat Stacey's future holds,"}, {'start': '1774.472', 'end': '1775.306', 'text': "but I'm guessing--"}, {'start': '1775.473', 'end': '1777.909', 'text': "I've had a lot of ideas\nactually about Stacey."}, {'start': '1777.975', 'end': '1779.944', 'text': 'I feel like\nshe probably is working'}, {'start': '1780.010', 'end': '1782.246', 'text': 'at a senior living facility.'}, {'start': '1782.380', 'end': '1784.715', 'text': "LINDSEY: We're holding prayers\nfor Stacey from HR"}, {'start': '1784.782', 'end': '1786.917', 'text': 'to cross over\nto another Max property'}, {'start': '1786.984', 'end': '1789.987', 'text': '-and do a White Lotus season.\n-(BOBBY LAUGHS)'}, {'start': '1790.054', 'end': '1793.391', 'text': 'MICHAELA: That would be so...\n(LAUGHING) ...wonderful.'}, {'start': '1793.725', 'end': '1795.726', 'text': 'Oh my God.\nThey should do a mash-up.'}, {'start': '1795.826', 'end': '1796.928', 'text': 'LINDSEY:\nI mean, Stacey will die,'}, {'start': '1797.028', 'end': '1798.896', 'text': '-but, like, whatever.\n-(HOSTS LAUGH)'}, {'start': '1798.962', 'end': '1800.732', 'text': '-She will die.\n-BOBBY AND MICHAELA: Yeah.'}, {'start': '1800.832', 'end': '1801.999', 'text': '-LINDSEY: Sorry.\n-MICHAELA: Oh, easily,'}, {'start': '1802.066', 'end': '1804.068', 'text': 'but not as part of the drama.'}, {'start': '1804.135', 'end': '1805.737', 'text': '-Just as like a-- Just a--\n-BOBBY: No, no, no.'}, {'start': '1805.803', 'end': '1806.871', 'text': '-LINDSEY: An aside.\n-MICHAELA: Yeah.'}, {'start': '1807.038', 'end': '1809.206', 'text': "BOBBY: She'll fall.\nShe'll get food poisoning."}, {'start': '1809.306', 'end': '1811.075', 'text': 'MICHAELA: Just to get\nsomebody else in there'}, {'start': '1811.142', 'end': '1813.544', 'text': 'who is actually like\npart of the plot.'}, {'start': '1813.610', 'end': '1815.346', 'text': '-(LAUGHS)\n-BOBBY: Yeah.'}, {'start': '1815.413', 'end': '1817.381', 'text': 'LINDSEY: She goes first.\nShe goes too early.'}, {'start': '1817.448', 'end': '1818.249', 'text': 'Thank you so much'}, {'start': '1818.816', 'end': '1820.217', 'text': '-for chatting with us.\n-BOBBY: Thank you so much\nfor being here.'}, {'start': '1820.217', 'end': '1821.118', 'text': '-This was wonderful.\n-MICHAELA: Thank you.'}, {'start': '1822.186', 'end': '1824.489', 'text': '-LINDSEY: It was really fun.\n-MICHAELA: It was super fun.\nThank you so much for having me.'}, {'start': '1824.922', 'end': '1826.057', 'text': "BOBBY:\nAnd that's it for this week."}, {'start': '1826.157', 'end': '1828.492', 'text': 'This has been\nThe Official Hacks Podcast,'}, {'start': '1828.559', 'end': '1829.960', 'text': "and I'm your host, Bobby Finger."}, {'start': '1830.027', 'end': '1830.995', 'text': "LINDSEY: And I'm Lindsey Weber."}, {'start': '1831.295', 'end': '1833.230', 'text': "We'll be back next week\nto break down episode six"}, {'start': '1833.297', 'end': '1835.800', 'text': 'with a very special guest,\nHannah Einbinder.'}, {'start': '1835.900', 'end': '1837.701', 'text': 'BOBBY: This podcast is\na production of Max'}, {'start': '1837.768', 'end': '1840.004', 'text': "and Audacy's\nPineapple Street Studios."}, {'start': '1840.071', 'end': '1842.373', 'text': 'Our executive producers are\nGabrielle Lewis,'}, {'start': '1842.573', 'end': '1844.909', 'text': 'Bari Finkel, and Je-Anne Berry.'}, {'start': '1845.009', 'end': '1846.877', 'text': 'LINDSEY: Our producers are\nMelissa Akiko Slaughter'}, {'start': '1846.944', 'end': '1847.945', 'text': 'and Ben Goldberg.'}, {'start': '1848.078', 'end': '1850.315', 'text': 'Our associate producer is\nNatalie Peart.'}, {'start': '1850.481', 'end': '1851.782', 'text': 'Darby Maloney is our editor.'}, {'start': '1851.849', 'end': '1853.918', 'text': 'BOBBY: This episode was mixed\nby Hannis Brown.'}, {'start': '1854.018', 'end': '1856.487', 'text': "Pineapple's head of sound\nand engineering is Raj Makhija."}, {'start': '1856.721', 'end': '1858.656', 'text': "Pineapple's\nsenior audio engineers are"}, {'start': '1858.723', 'end': '1860.357', 'text': 'Marina Paiz and Pedro Alvira.'}, {'start': '1860.491', 'end': '1862.927', 'text': 'This episode was engineered\nby Javier Cruces.'}, {'start': '1863.094', 'end': '1864.962', 'text': 'LINDSEY: Special thanks\nto Kenia Reyes,'}, {'start': '1865.029', 'end': '1868.198', 'text': 'Allison Cohen Sorokach,\nErin Kelly, and Becky Rho.'}, {'start': '1868.298', 'end': '1870.267', 'text': 'Production music is courtesy\nof Max.'}, {'start': '1870.334', 'end': '1872.436', 'text': 'You can watch new\nand old episodes'}, {'start': '1872.503', 'end': '1873.704', 'text': 'of Hacks on Max.'}, {'start': '1873.804', 'end': '1875.873', 'text': 'Big special thanks\nto Aisha and Michaela'}, {'start': '1875.940', 'end': '1877.141', 'text': 'for joining us today\non the show.'}, {'start': '1877.242', 'end': '1879.177', 'text': 'BOBBY: Thanks for listening.\nSee you next week.'}, {'start': '1882.112', 'end': '1883.748', 'text': 'ROB: That demo is very important\n to ad sales.'}, {'start': '1883.814', 'end': '1884.715', 'text': 'They spend the most.'}, {'start': '1884.948', 'end': '1886.517', 'text': 'AVA: Are you saying\n women be shopping?'}, {'start': '1886.584', 'end': '1888.286', 'text': 'MAX: Statistically, they do be.'}]