Karen Read trial catchup: What's new, retrial surprises, your questions answered
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[{'start': '2.159', 'end': '6.879', 'text': 'A pause in the case. The Karen Reed'}, {'start': '4.400', 'end': '9.360', 'text': 'murder trial takes a one-day break. So'}, {'start': '6.879', 'end': '11.519', 'text': "tonight, we're getting you up to speed."}, {'start': '9.360', 'end': '13.679', 'text': 'That morning, your client said, "I hit'}, {'start': '11.519', 'end': '15.519', 'text': 'him. I hit him. I hit him." We take a'}, {'start': '13.679', 'end': '17.600', 'text': 'closer look at just some of the biggest'}, {'start': '15.519', 'end': '20.400', 'text': "surprises we've seen so far from this"}, {'start': '17.600', 'end': '22.560', 'text': 'high-profile case. That would put those'}, {'start': '20.400', 'end': '24.480', 'text': 'steps within the house. Correct. It'}, {'start': '22.560', 'end': '26.480', 'text': "would. Plus, we're answering your"}, {'start': '24.480', 'end': '28.640', 'text': 'questions. What you want to know about'}, {'start': '26.480', 'end': '31.359', 'text': "the retrial that's captivating the"}, {'start': '28.640', 'end': '35.600', 'text': 'nation. Canton Confidential. The Karen'}, {'start': '31.359', 'end': '37.520', 'text': 'Reed murder trial starts now.'}, {'start': '35.600', 'end': '38.960', 'text': 'Jurors in the retrial of Karen Reed had'}, {'start': '37.520', 'end': '41.440', 'text': 'the day off. So tonight, we want to take'}, {'start': '38.960', 'end': '43.440', 'text': 'a look at where we stand in this trial'}, {'start': '41.440', 'end': '45.440', 'text': 'and how it compares to the first. Good'}, {'start': '43.440', 'end': '47.520', 'text': "evening everyone. I'm JC Monahan and I'm"}, {'start': '45.440', 'end': '49.280', 'text': 'Glenn Jones. Our Melody Mendes has been'}, {'start': '47.520', 'end': '51.600', 'text': 'there at Norfick Superior Court in Denim'}, {'start': '49.280', 'end': '53.120', 'text': 'every day of the trial so far. So Mel,'}, {'start': '51.600', 'end': '54.800', 'text': 'what are your observations? What is'}, {'start': '53.120', 'end': '56.399', 'text': 'different this time around? Well, the'}, {'start': '54.800', 'end': '59.199', 'text': 'biggest difference I would say Glenn and'}, {'start': '56.399', 'end': '61.760', 'text': 'JC so far is the man at the helm for the'}, {'start': '59.199', 'end': '63.760', 'text': 'prosecution, right? Because from that,'}, {'start': '61.760', 'end': '66.360', 'text': "from Hank Brennan, we're seeing a very"}, {'start': '63.760', 'end': '69.040', 'text': 'different trial only one year'}, {'start': '66.360', 'end': '70.880', 'text': 'later. Special prosecutor Hank Brennan'}, {'start': '69.040', 'end': '73.280', 'text': 'is taking a different approach to the'}, {'start': '70.880', 'end': '75.280', 'text': 'case. This has changed the strategy and'}, {'start': '73.280', 'end': '76.880', 'text': 'the presentation. The order of witnesses'}, {'start': '75.280', 'end': '79.040', 'text': 'being called to the stand is among the'}, {'start': '76.880', 'end': '81.119', 'text': 'most obvious of those changes. where'}, {'start': '79.040', 'end': '83.280', 'text': 'previous prosecutor ADA Adam Lai'}, {'start': '81.119', 'end': '85.360', 'text': 'presented the case chronologically.'}, {'start': '83.280', 'end': '87.439', 'text': 'Brennan making his case with the data'}, {'start': '85.360', 'end': '89.439', 'text': 'first then the people who were there.'}, {'start': '87.439', 'end': '90.880', 'text': "He's also more animated in his courtroom"}, {'start': '89.439', 'end': '92.720', 'text': "approach. Here's a bit of opening"}, {'start': '90.880', 'end': '95.119', 'text': 'statements from both attorneys. The only'}, {'start': '92.720', 'end': '96.720', 'text': 'true and just words based on that is'}, {'start': '95.119', 'end': '98.720', 'text': 'that the defendant carried me to guilty'}, {'start': '96.720', 'end': '101.920', 'text': "murder in the second degree. You'll hear"}, {'start': '98.720', 'end': '106.479', 'text': 'her words through a firefighter nut. She'}, {'start': '101.920', 'end': '108.880', 'text': 'said, "I hit him. I hit him. I hit him."'}, {'start': '106.479', 'end': '111.360', 'text': 'Another major difference is the use of'}, {'start': '108.880', 'end': '113.119', 'text': 'video clips, media interviews showing'}, {'start': '111.360', 'end': '115.040', 'text': 'Karen Reed telling her side of the'}, {'start': '113.119', 'end': '117.360', 'text': 'story. In the last trial, the only time'}, {'start': '115.040', 'end': '119.840', 'text': "the jurors ever heard Karen Reed's voice"}, {'start': '117.360', 'end': '122.000', 'text': 'was in panicked dash cam video and'}, {'start': '119.840', 'end': '123.680', 'text': 'angry, worried voicemails. This time'}, {'start': '122.000', 'end': '125.759', 'text': 'around, the jurors are seeing and'}, {'start': '123.680', 'end': '127.520', 'text': 'hearing from her on screen. Brennan'}, {'start': '125.759', 'end': '129.119', 'text': 'playing clips of those interviews in'}, {'start': '127.520', 'end': '131.680', 'text': "between witnesses. And you're going to"}, {'start': '129.119', 'end': '133.400', 'text': 'hear from her own lips and many of her'}, {'start': '131.680', 'end': '135.200', 'text': 'statements, her'}, {'start': '133.400', 'end': '138.000', 'text': 'admissions to extraordinary'}, {'start': '135.200', 'end': '142.080', 'text': 'intoxications, her admissions to driving'}, {'start': '138.000', 'end': '145.879', 'text': 'in the US, her admissions to being angry'}, {'start': '142.080', 'end': '149.440', 'text': 'at dawn that night. And I say her'}, {'start': '145.879', 'end': '149.440', 'text': 'admissions that she'}, {'start': '149.480', 'end': '154.800', 'text': 'told me. His mother leans over the'}, {'start': '152.800', 'end': '156.560', 'text': 'kitchen island and says to me, I think'}, {'start': '154.800', 'end': '158.640', 'text': 'it looks like he got hit by a cop. Could'}, {'start': '156.560', 'end': '161.200', 'text': 'I have clipped him? could have tagged'}, {'start': '158.640', 'end': '162.720', 'text': 'him in the knee and incapacitated him.'}, {'start': '161.200', 'end': '164.480', 'text': 'Perhaps the most notable difference for'}, {'start': '162.720', 'end': '166.640', 'text': "anyone who isn't in court this time"}, {'start': '164.480', 'end': '169.280', 'text': 'around, the scene outside the'}, {'start': '166.640', 'end': '173.599', 'text': 'courthouse, or lack thereof. Doctor was'}, {'start': '169.280', 'end': '176.000', 'text': 'not telling the truth. You learn.'}, {'start': '173.599', 'end': '178.000', 'text': 'This was day one of the trial in 2024.'}, {'start': '176.000', 'end': '180.000', 'text': 'People clad in pink were camped out just'}, {'start': '178.000', 'end': '181.599', 'text': 'outside the courthouse walls, watching'}, {'start': '180.000', 'end': '184.640', 'text': 'the trial on their screens and what'}, {'start': '181.599', 'end': '187.120', 'text': 'looked like a tailgate.'}, {'start': '184.640', 'end': '190.159', 'text': 'This is what it looks like now. One year'}, {'start': '187.120', 'end': '191.599', 'text': 'later, same case, same place, but now an'}, {'start': '190.159', 'end': '193.440', 'text': 'extended buffer zone around the'}, {'start': '191.599', 'end': '195.480', 'text': 'courthouse has vastly limited the'}, {'start': '193.440', 'end': '197.680', 'text': 'presence of supporters and'}, {'start': '195.480', 'end': '199.200', 'text': 'onlookers. So, speaking of that'}, {'start': '197.680', 'end': '200.560', 'text': 'difference outside court, I was actually'}, {'start': '199.200', 'end': '202.959', 'text': 'talking to an officer out there just'}, {'start': '200.560', 'end': '204.400', 'text': "yesterday about how quiet it's been. He"}, {'start': '202.959', 'end': '205.680', 'text': 'was there the first time around for the'}, {'start': '204.400', 'end': '207.440', 'text': "first trial and told me he's actually"}, {'start': '205.680', 'end': '209.280', 'text': 'been very surprised by the difference'}, {'start': '207.440', 'end': '211.360', 'text': 'this time around, guys. Back to you,'}, {'start': '209.280', 'end': '212.720', 'text': 'Melody. It is round two. So, those of us'}, {'start': '211.360', 'end': '214.400', 'text': 'who have been following the case since'}, {'start': '212.720', 'end': '216.400', 'text': 'the start, there have been no big like'}, {'start': '214.400', 'end': '218.159', 'text': 'reveals except for the video that has'}, {'start': '216.400', 'end': '219.680', 'text': 'made such an impact this time around.'}, {'start': '218.159', 'end': '221.519', 'text': "Something we didn't have the first time."}, {'start': '219.680', 'end': '223.840', 'text': "Yes, you're absolutely right. And it"}, {'start': '221.519', 'end': '225.440', 'text': 'really feels that way, JC, because in'}, {'start': '223.840', 'end': '227.680', 'text': 'the first trial, there were a number of'}, {'start': '225.440', 'end': '229.440', 'text': 'these bombshell moments, if you will,'}, {'start': '227.680', 'end': '231.599', 'text': 'for people watching, like they did what'}, {'start': '229.440', 'end': '234.000', 'text': 'with the dog or this person lied about'}, {'start': '231.599', 'end': '236.000', 'text': 'this. But this time around, we know the'}, {'start': '234.000', 'end': '238.400', 'text': 'players, we know the facts, and we know'}, {'start': '236.000', 'end': '240.480', 'text': 'for the most part what to expect. And'}, {'start': '238.400', 'end': '243.519', 'text': 'without that element of surprise, it'}, {'start': '240.480', 'end': '246.080', 'text': 'feels different in and outside court.'}, {'start': '243.519', 'end': '248.000', 'text': "Guys, Melody Menddees, thank you. We're"}, {'start': '246.080', 'end': '250.879', 'text': 'joined now by defense attorney Morgetta'}, {'start': '248.000', 'end': '253.040', 'text': "Dissier and retired judge Jack Lou. It's"}, {'start': '250.879', 'end': '254.480', 'text': 'good to have you both here. Melody was'}, {'start': '253.040', 'end': '257.199', 'text': 'telling us about one of the new'}, {'start': '254.480', 'end': '259.759', 'text': 'characters in this uh saga, which is'}, {'start': '257.199', 'end': '261.519', 'text': "Hank Brennan. But there's one who is"}, {'start': '259.759', 'end': '263.360', 'text': 'returning from the last trial as well,'}, {'start': '261.519', 'end': '265.199', 'text': 'Judge Beverly Canon. She is overseeing'}, {'start': '263.360', 'end': '267.759', 'text': 'her courtroom a lot like the first'}, {'start': '265.199', 'end': '269.919', 'text': "trial. Let's listen."}, {'start': '267.759', 'end': '272.320', 'text': 'Incorrect. I told him that she said I'}, {'start': '269.919', 'end': '275.120', 'text': 'hit him. He wrote in his report. She'}, {'start': '272.320', 'end': '277.040', 'text': 'just read something to the effect of'}, {'start': '275.120', 'end': '279.199', 'text': "sustained. I hope I didn't. Sustained."}, {'start': '277.040', 'end': '281.040', 'text': "I'm not responsible for his report. No,"}, {'start': '279.199', 'end': '283.360', 'text': "you're not. But you have read his"}, {'start': '281.040', 'end': '286.199', 'text': 'report. So again, no comments, Mr.'}, {'start': '283.360', 'end': '288.720', 'text': 'Jackson. Is this another example of an'}, {'start': '286.199', 'end': '291.360', 'text': 'officer getting a a report wrong?'}, {'start': '288.720', 'end': '294.720', 'text': 'Objection. Sustained. Is that report'}, {'start': '291.360', 'end': '297.040', 'text': 'right? Your honor. Objection. Sustained.'}, {'start': '294.720', 'end': '299.440', 'text': 'Move on. Mr. Judge.'}, {'start': '297.040', 'end': '302.400', 'text': 'So, Judge Lou, this happens a lot where'}, {'start': '299.440', 'end': '304.400', 'text': 'there is an objection from either side'}, {'start': '302.400', 'end': '306.320', 'text': 'and then the judge makes a ruling.'}, {'start': '304.400', 'end': '309.039', 'text': "There's not necessarily a specific"}, {'start': '306.320', 'end': '311.520', 'text': 'reason given. So, put some context'}, {'start': '309.039', 'end': '313.680', 'text': 'around this for us. Does the judge need'}, {'start': '311.520', 'end': '315.520', 'text': 'a specific reason to rule on an'}, {'start': '313.680', 'end': '317.600', 'text': "objection? And what's your general sense"}, {'start': '315.520', 'end': '320.479', 'text': 'of her style and substance in the'}, {'start': '317.600', 'end': '322.800', 'text': 'courtroom? Beverly Conni. My general'}, {'start': '320.479', 'end': '325.400', 'text': "sense of Judge Canon is that she's near"}, {'start': '322.800', 'end': '328.560', 'text': 'perfect. uh and the ruling on'}, {'start': '325.400', 'end': '331.600', 'text': 'objections. Uh this is not an exposition'}, {'start': '328.560', 'end': '333.759', 'text': 'for the public education, even though it'}, {'start': '331.600', 'end': '335.440', 'text': 'may amount to that in some ways. This is'}, {'start': '333.759', 'end': '337.840', 'text': 'an attempt to give somebody a fair'}, {'start': '335.440', 'end': '340.160', 'text': 'trial, the defendant, and to also give'}, {'start': '337.840', 'end': '342.639', 'text': 'the prosecutor a fair trial. So, as long'}, {'start': '340.160', 'end': '345.520', 'text': 'as her evidentiary rulings are correct,'}, {'start': '342.639', 'end': '348.400', 'text': "it doesn't matter. Uh we we even have"}, {'start': '345.520', 'end': '350.160', 'text': 'seen in this case some of the lawyers in'}, {'start': '348.400', 'end': '352.720', 'text': 'the first trial were overtrying the'}, {'start': '350.160', 'end': '355.360', 'text': 'case, constantly going to sidebar. She'}, {'start': '352.720', 'end': '357.759', 'text': "is perfectly entitled and I'd even go so"}, {'start': '355.360', 'end': '360.160', 'text': 'far as to recommend just ruling on those'}, {'start': '357.759', 'end': '361.680', 'text': 'objections and cut down on those sidebar'}, {'start': '360.160', 'end': '363.360', 'text': "conferences. You know, it's a reminder"}, {'start': '361.680', 'end': '364.960', 'text': 'this is not law and order. You know how'}, {'start': '363.360', 'end': '366.800', 'text': 'you get every little thing sort of'}, {'start': '364.960', 'end': '368.560', 'text': 'spelled out for you as you go along.'}, {'start': '366.800', 'end': '370.240', 'text': 'From your perspective as a lawyer,'}, {'start': '368.560', 'end': '372.479', 'text': 'Morgetta, how do you think Canon is'}, {'start': '370.240', 'end': '375.280', 'text': 'handling the courtroom? I I agree uh'}, {'start': '372.479', 'end': '377.600', 'text': 'with um Jack Lou uh Justice Jack Lou'}, {'start': '375.280', 'end': '379.440', 'text': 'over here. The attorneys and the judge'}, {'start': '377.600', 'end': '380.960', 'text': 'knows what the objections are, right?'}, {'start': '379.440', 'end': '382.960', 'text': 'And she is responding to them'}, {'start': '380.960', 'end': '384.800', 'text': 'accordingly. if for some reasoning'}, {'start': '382.960', 'end': '386.560', 'text': 'reason her ruling was wrong, they would'}, {'start': '384.800', 'end': '389.600', 'text': 'have a right to appeal if it came down'}, {'start': '386.560', 'end': '391.600', 'text': 'to that. But there is no need to go into'}, {'start': '389.600', 'end': '393.600', 'text': 'the lengthy detail as to what each'}, {'start': '391.600', 'end': '396.000', 'text': 'objection is because the case is already'}, {'start': '393.600', 'end': '397.680', 'text': 'long enough as it is. So if there really'}, {'start': '396.000', 'end': '399.680', 'text': 'is an issue that could be addressed'}, {'start': '397.680', 'end': '401.039', 'text': 'before the trial starts, usually the'}, {'start': '399.680', 'end': '402.479', 'text': 'attorneys and the judge have a'}, {'start': '401.039', 'end': '405.199', 'text': 'conference that there really is a major'}, {'start': '402.479', 'end': '407.199', 'text': 'issue that there was an objection not'}, {'start': '405.199', 'end': '408.639', 'text': 'properly addressed. Uh and so I think'}, {'start': '407.199', 'end': '410.720', 'text': 'that the ruling is going the right way,'}, {'start': '408.639', 'end': '412.560', 'text': "but it's not a legal class is the point."}, {'start': '410.720', 'end': '414.720', 'text': "We're not going to get that to us. Let's"}, {'start': '412.560', 'end': '416.720', 'text': "drill down on one of Judge Canon's major"}, {'start': '414.720', 'end': '418.800', 'text': 'rulings just to get a feel for how you'}, {'start': '416.720', 'end': '420.160', 'text': "guys thought it shook out. Let's take a"}, {'start': '418.800', 'end': '421.919', 'text': 'listen to her decision on whether to'}, {'start': '420.160', 'end': '424.639', 'text': 'allow the defense to call the accident'}, {'start': '421.919', 'end': '427.479', 'text': 'reconstruction experts from ARCA.'}, {'start': '424.639', 'end': '430.160', 'text': 'I understand there have been repeated'}, {'start': '427.479', 'end': '433.199', 'text': 'violations of the reciprocal discovery'}, {'start': '430.160', 'end': '436.319', 'text': 'orders and my orders, repeated and'}, {'start': '433.199', 'end': '439.039', 'text': "deliberate. However, a defendant's right"}, {'start': '436.319', 'end': '441.919', 'text': 'to a fair trial is paramount to'}, {'start': '439.039', 'end': '444.639', 'text': "everything. That's where we stand and I"}, {'start': '441.919', 'end': '447.840', 'text': 'expect council to comply with all'}, {'start': '444.639', 'end': '450.720', 'text': 'rulings and rules of the court and all'}, {'start': '447.840', 'end': '454.160', 'text': 'rules of professional conduct and no'}, {'start': '450.720', 'end': '456.800', 'text': "more nonsense. Let's just try this case."}, {'start': '454.160', 'end': '459.039', 'text': 'So Jack, there uh Judge Canon'}, {'start': '456.800', 'end': '461.039', 'text': 'articulated very clearly why she was'}, {'start': '459.039', 'end': '463.039', 'text': "ruling the way she did. So let's just"}, {'start': '461.039', 'end': '465.599', 'text': 'put that to the side for a moment. She'}, {'start': '463.039', 'end': '468.319', 'text': 'was also clearly exasperated and cited'}, {'start': '465.599', 'end': '470.160', 'text': "repeated reciprocal violations. Didn't"}, {'start': '468.319', 'end': '472.240', 'text': 'she also have the opportunity to'}, {'start': '470.160', 'end': '473.680', 'text': 'sanction these attorneys for the actions'}, {'start': '472.240', 'end': '476.160', 'text': "they took? Even though she's going to"}, {'start': '473.680', 'end': '478.400', 'text': 'allow the accident reconstruction'}, {'start': '476.160', 'end': '482.319', 'text': 'reconstructionist to testify, she'}, {'start': '478.400', 'end': '484.560', 'text': 'handled it perfectly. Uh she cannot she'}, {'start': '482.319', 'end': '487.440', 'text': 'really as a practical matter in this'}, {'start': '484.560', 'end': '489.840', 'text': 'homicide case cannot hurt the'}, {'start': '487.440', 'end': '492.800', 'text': "defendant's right to a fair trial as to"}, {'start': '489.840', 'end': '495.520', 'text': 'the ARCA experts. And on this issue,'}, {'start': '492.800', 'end': '497.280', 'text': "she's 100% right. These lawyers are"}, {'start': '495.520', 'end': '499.520', 'text': 'wonderful. I have the greatest respect'}, {'start': '497.280', 'end': '501.599', 'text': "for them, but they've been a little"}, {'start': '499.520', 'end': '503.840', 'text': "teeny bit childish. And she's right"}, {'start': '501.599', 'end': '506.080', 'text': "about that. I won't I'll spare you the"}, {'start': '503.840', 'end': '507.840', 'text': "details, but she's right. Oh, I like"}, {'start': '506.080', 'end': '510.080', 'text': 'this direct.'}, {'start': '507.840', 'end': '512.479', 'text': "Don't spare us the details. Well, you"}, {'start': '510.080', 'end': '514.479', 'text': 'know, you heard most recently you heard'}, {'start': '512.479', 'end': '516.560', 'text': 'that, you know, for a long time we heard'}, {'start': '514.479', 'end': '518.399', 'text': "this drum beat. We can't have the report"}, {'start': '516.560', 'end': '520.320', 'text': "in time. We can't have the report in"}, {'start': '518.399', 'end': '522.719', 'text': "time. That didn't make sense to me, but"}, {'start': '520.320', 'end': '524.320', 'text': "I'm not all knowing. But then the expert"}, {'start': '522.719', 'end': '525.839', 'text': 'comes into court and says, "Judge, if'}, {'start': '524.320', 'end': '528.399', 'text': "you really need it, we'll get it to you"}, {'start': '525.839', 'end': '529.920', 'text': 'in time." You know, so and that was the'}, {'start': '528.399', 'end': '531.680', 'text': 'truth from the very beginning. So they'}, {'start': '529.920', 'end': '533.920', 'text': "should have just said, they're wonderful"}, {'start': '531.680', 'end': '535.760', 'text': 'lawyers. I admire you all, but they'}, {'start': '533.920', 'end': '538.560', 'text': 'should have just said to the expert, you'}, {'start': '535.760', 'end': '543.839', 'text': 'got to have this report really fast. Uh'}, {'start': '538.560', 'end': '545.600', 'text': 'and reject the uh experts uh uh saying'}, {'start': '543.839', 'end': '547.839', 'text': "they can't do it fast enough. You have"}, {'start': '545.600', 'end': '549.279', 'text': 'to be firm with them. Oh, come on. We'}, {'start': '547.839', 'end': '550.959', 'text': 'had homework assignments and deadlines'}, {'start': '549.279', 'end': '552.480', 'text': 'in school. We can do it in court, too.'}, {'start': '550.959', 'end': '556.000', 'text': "Absolutely. And you weren't being paid"}, {'start': '552.480', 'end': '557.279', 'text': '$600 an hour or whatever it is.'}, {'start': '556.000', 'end': '558.959', 'text': "I don't know what they're paid. I don't"}, {'start': '557.279', 'end': '560.880', 'text': "know what they're paid. We have been"}, {'start': '558.959', 'end': '562.720', 'text': 'receiving a lot of questions, especially'}, {'start': '560.880', 'end': '565.040', 'text': "actually about Judge Canon. Here's one"}, {'start': '562.720', 'end': '566.880', 'text': 'from our viewers. She says, "If the'}, {'start': '565.040', 'end': '568.800', 'text': 'judge is in some way connected to the'}, {'start': '566.880', 'end': '571.120', 'text': "Alberts, that is where the home we're"}, {'start': '568.800', 'end': '573.040', 'text': 'talking 34 Fair View Way, Brian Albert,'}, {'start': '571.120', 'end': '575.040', 'text': "or anyone connected to the O'Keefe"}, {'start': '573.040', 'end': '577.920', 'text': "family, wouldn't she have to recuse"}, {'start': '575.040', 'end': '579.519', 'text': 'herself?" Judge Canoe actually answered'}, {'start': '577.920', 'end': '580.480', 'text': 'this question herself in court. Take a'}, {'start': '579.519', 'end': '585.560', 'text': 'listen.'}, {'start': '580.480', 'end': '588.600', 'text': 'I reject the notion that untrue and'}, {'start': '585.560', 'end': '591.760', 'text': 'unsubstantiated rumors spread on the'}, {'start': '588.600', 'end': '594.480', 'text': 'internet can force a judge to recuse'}, {'start': '591.760', 'end': '596.800', 'text': 'herself from a case.'}, {'start': '594.480', 'end': '598.399', 'text': 'Judge Lou, you ever been asked to recuse'}, {'start': '596.800', 'end': '600.880', 'text': 'yourself? I have and I have recused'}, {'start': '598.399', 'end': '602.640', 'text': "myself. And she's absolutely, if you're"}, {'start': '600.880', 'end': '606.399', 'text': "asking me, she's absolutely right."}, {'start': '602.640', 'end': '610.080', 'text': 'Again, the the uh basis for recusal in'}, {'start': '606.399', 'end': '612.000', 'text': "this case is there it's utter nonsense."}, {'start': '610.080', 'end': '614.480', 'text': 'There are some tiny tiny tiny'}, {'start': '612.000', 'end': '616.240', 'text': 'connections, but they mean nothing. This'}, {'start': '614.480', 'end': '618.079', 'text': 'is the craziness coming off of the'}, {'start': '616.240', 'end': '620.959', 'text': 'internet and the people who call them'}, {'start': '618.079', 'end': '624.320', 'text': 'journalists, click feeddriven'}, {'start': '620.959', 'end': '626.880', 'text': 'uh smalltime influencers on the internet'}, {'start': '624.320', 'end': '629.519', 'text': 'are attacking the judge and saying crazy'}, {'start': '626.880', 'end': '631.600', 'text': 'things. I even once recused myself in a'}, {'start': '629.519', 'end': '634.320', 'text': 'case in which Mr. Brendan was the'}, {'start': '631.600', 'end': '636.560', 'text': 'defense lawyer'}, {'start': '634.320', 'end': '638.560', 'text': 'and I think she used like very specific'}, {'start': '636.560', 'end': '641.279', 'text': 'language. If you listen to her response,'}, {'start': '638.560', 'end': '643.839', 'text': "it's unsubstantiated. So where is the"}, {'start': '641.279', 'end': '646.640', 'text': 'credibility in in having her recuse'}, {'start': '643.839', 'end': '648.000', 'text': 'herself other than the clickbait people'}, {'start': '646.640', 'end': '649.839', 'text': 'out there who are trying to just make a'}, {'start': '648.000', 'end': '651.120', 'text': 'name for themselves? Trial watchers know'}, {'start': '649.839', 'end': '653.279', 'text': 'about evidence collected during a'}, {'start': '651.120', 'end': '654.880', 'text': 'federal investigation on the handling of'}, {'start': '653.279', 'end': '656.880', 'text': "John O'Keefe's death, but in court, the"}, {'start': '654.880', 'end': '659.600', 'text': 'agency or agencies involved cannot be'}, {'start': '656.880', 'end': '661.600', 'text': 'named, and the jurors presumably have no'}, {'start': '659.600', 'end': '665.120', 'text': "idea what they're talking about. Take a"}, {'start': '661.600', 'end': '666.920', 'text': 'look at how this was handled in court.'}, {'start': '665.120', 'end': '671.600', 'text': "You're contacted"}, {'start': '666.920', 'end': '674.079', 'text': 'by another law enforcement agency that'}, {'start': '671.600', 'end': '676.000', 'text': 'was not Massachusetts State Police and'}, {'start': '674.079', 'end': '679.120', 'text': 'not Canton Police Department at one'}, {'start': '676.000', 'end': '681.200', 'text': 'point in April of 2023. Do you remember'}, {'start': '679.120', 'end': '683.279', 'text': 'that? Yes. I want to talk for a second'}, {'start': '681.200', 'end': '686.240', 'text': 'about that uh series of interview or'}, {'start': '683.279', 'end': '688.720', 'text': 'that interview. Um you were contacted at'}, {'start': '686.240', 'end': '690.480', 'text': 'your residence by these uh members of'}, {'start': '688.720', 'end': '691.600', 'text': 'this law enforcement agency. Correct.'}, {'start': '690.480', 'end': '693.680', 'text': 'Yes.'}, {'start': '691.600', 'end': '696.519', 'text': 'So, Morgetta, did you expect this kind'}, {'start': '693.680', 'end': '698.480', 'text': 'of vagueness around the federal'}, {'start': '696.519', 'end': '700.720', 'text': "investigation, especially now that it's"}, {'start': '698.480', 'end': '702.000', 'text': "over and we're into this second trial? I"}, {'start': '700.720', 'end': '703.200', 'text': "didn't expect the vaguess. I thought"}, {'start': '702.000', 'end': '704.959', 'text': 'they were just going to go right into'}, {'start': '703.200', 'end': '706.959', 'text': 'it. That was the whole point of getting'}, {'start': '704.959', 'end': '709.040', 'text': 'all these experts and and having these'}, {'start': '706.959', 'end': '710.800', 'text': 'vaders cuz remember the voadier, they'}, {'start': '709.040', 'end': '713.040', 'text': 'got a lot of that information out and'}, {'start': '710.800', 'end': '715.040', 'text': 'Judge Canon actually said you can use'}, {'start': '713.040', 'end': '717.680', 'text': 'this information in the trial and then'}, {'start': '715.040', 'end': '720.000', 'text': "they didn't use it. So, it was a little"}, {'start': '717.680', 'end': '721.680', 'text': 'unclear. you had all the good juice and'}, {'start': '720.000', 'end': '723.440', 'text': "and didn't bring it out and maybe it'll"}, {'start': '721.680', 'end': '725.920', 'text': 'come out, but I felt like that was too'}, {'start': '723.440', 'end': '728.399', 'text': 'vague for that scenario. All right. Two'}, {'start': '725.920', 'end': '730.959', 'text': 'very experienced judge lawyer. Any'}, {'start': '728.399', 'end': '733.120', 'text': 'surprises so far in this case for you?'}, {'start': '730.959', 'end': '737.279', 'text': "Uh well, I' I've been surprised that Mr."}, {'start': '733.120', 'end': '741.360', 'text': 'Brennan uh has made uh in in short, they'}, {'start': '737.279', 'end': '744.560', 'text': 'have made tremendous use of the dry run'}, {'start': '741.360', 'end': '747.120', 'text': 'of trial number one. And Mr. Brennan uh'}, {'start': '744.560', 'end': '750.320', 'text': 'is ready to put on a show based on his'}, {'start': '747.120', 'end': '752.240', 'text': "study of trial number one. That's my ESP"}, {'start': '750.320', 'end': '754.320', 'text': "of what's going on in his head. And"}, {'start': '752.240', 'end': '756.000', 'text': "we're in for a big uh we're in for an"}, {'start': '754.320', 'end': '757.920', 'text': 'interesting ride. What did you for you'}, {'start': '756.000', 'end': '759.680', 'text': 'the big surprise? Big surprise, which'}, {'start': '757.920', 'end': '761.760', 'text': 'should be no surprise, is the testimony'}, {'start': '759.680', 'end': '764.720', 'text': "from Jen McCabe. And the reason why it's"}, {'start': '761.760', 'end': '767.040', 'text': 'surprising to me is because Hank Brennan'}, {'start': '764.720', 'end': '770.360', 'text': 'made us focus on the evidence and the'}, {'start': '767.040', 'end': '773.600', 'text': 'details and the facts and the math. and'}, {'start': '770.360', 'end': '776.240', 'text': '123138 is ingrained into our brains at'}, {'start': '773.600', 'end': '778.720', 'text': "this point, but Jen McKe's testimony"}, {'start': '776.240', 'end': '781.279', 'text': 'literally is obliterating that theory.'}, {'start': '778.720', 'end': '783.600', 'text': "And so, it's really becoming surprising"}, {'start': '781.279', 'end': '785.279', 'text': 'how they either have not cretailed it or'}, {'start': '783.600', 'end': '787.040', 'text': "how they're going to put all this"}, {'start': '785.279', 'end': '788.959', 'text': 'together because that that time is stuck'}, {'start': '787.040', 'end': '790.959', 'text': 'in our head. And so, the prosecution'}, {'start': '788.959', 'end': '793.279', 'text': 'really is going to need to do a good job'}, {'start': '790.959', 'end': '795.839', 'text': 'of cleaning that up after her testimony.'}, {'start': '793.279', 'end': '797.760', 'text': 'Judge Lou, we need you back. So, please'}, {'start': '795.839', 'end': '799.200', 'text': "come back again. More anytime. Don't go"}, {'start': '797.760', 'end': '801.440', 'text': 'anywhere. We still need you around for'}, {'start': '799.200', 'end': '803.040', 'text': 'just a little while longer. Still to'}, {'start': '801.440', 'end': '804.720', 'text': 'come, courtroom insider Sue Okonnell'}, {'start': '803.040', 'end': '808.079', 'text': "will join us. She's been seeing the"}, {'start': '804.720', 'end': '810.079', 'text': 'trial unfold up close, maybe even a bit'}, {'start': '808.079', 'end': '812.079', 'text': "too close, but she's telling us about"}, {'start': '810.079', 'end': '815.079', 'text': 'the environment inside a very cramped'}, {'start': '812.079', 'end': '815.079', 'text': 'courtroom.'}, {'start': '816.720', 'end': '820.639', 'text': "Don't miss any of the Karen Reed murder"}, {'start': '818.800', 'end': '822.880', 'text': 'trial. Get the full recap of what'}, {'start': '820.639', 'end': '825.120', 'text': 'happened in court, expert analysis, and'}, {'start': '822.880', 'end': '827.600', 'text': 'what we could see next. This is coverage'}, {'start': '825.120', 'end': '830.320', 'text': "you won't see anywhere else. Canton"}, {'start': '827.600', 'end': '833.320', 'text': 'Confidential week nights at 7 on NBC 10'}, {'start': '830.320', 'end': '833.320', 'text': 'Boston.'}, {'start': '836.959', 'end': '841.279', 'text': 'Hey, hey, all persons have any business'}, {'start': '839.600', 'end': '843.120', 'text': 'before the honorable Beverly Canon,'}, {'start': '841.279', 'end': '845.360', 'text': 'justice of the North Superior Court and'}, {'start': '843.120', 'end': '846.959', 'text': 'before the county of North give your'}, {'start': '845.360', 'end': '848.639', 'text': 'attendance and you shall be heard. God'}, {'start': '846.959', 'end': '850.880', 'text': 'say the Commonwealth of Massachusetts'}, {'start': '848.639', 'end': '852.800', 'text': 'court is now open. You may be seated.'}, {'start': '850.880', 'end': '854.959', 'text': "That's what court attendees hear every"}, {'start': '852.800', 'end': '856.639', 'text': 'morning at trial. Eyes around the'}, {'start': '854.959', 'end': '859.279', 'text': 'Commonwealth and indeed around the world'}, {'start': '856.639', 'end': '862.480', 'text': "are tuned in. But there's also far more"}, {'start': '859.279', 'end': '864.639', 'text': 'people than normal inside a very crowded'}, {'start': '862.480', 'end': '866.000', 'text': 'courtroom. Whenever we go inside the'}, {'start': '864.639', 'end': '867.920', 'text': 'courtroom, we go to our courtroom'}, {'start': '866.000', 'end': '870.639', 'text': "insider, Sue Okonnell. Sue, you've been"}, {'start': '867.920', 'end': '873.040', 'text': 'in there for a trial and a bit now.'}, {'start': '870.639', 'end': '875.440', 'text': "You've also been posting on X. 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But there is,"}, {'start': '957.199', 'end': '960.800', 'text': "give us briefly the history of why we're"}, {'start': '958.959', 'end': '962.240', 'text': 'in this small courtroom. We we have'}, {'start': '960.800', 'end': '964.160', 'text': 'larger ones here in Massachusetts.'}, {'start': '962.240', 'end': '966.079', 'text': 'Right. But steps away we in on that'}, {'start': '964.160', 'end': '968.720', 'text': 'floor we have a large courtroom. But at'}, {'start': '966.079', 'end': '970.480', 'text': 'the last trial, attorney Alan Jackson'}, {'start': '968.720', 'end': '972.480', 'text': 'looked and saw for the first time.'}, {'start': '970.480', 'end': '974.880', 'text': "You've been hearing cases in there for"}, {'start': '972.480', 'end': '977.440', 'text': 'over a hundred years that four of the'}, {'start': '974.880', 'end': '980.160', 'text': 'jury seats in that in that courtroom'}, {'start': '977.440', 'end': '982.079', 'text': "cannot see the witness's face. And he"}, {'start': '980.160', 'end': '983.680', 'text': 'said, "This violates Karen\'s right to a'}, {'start': '982.079', 'end': '984.959', 'text': 'free trial." Judge Canon said, "We\'re'}, {'start': '983.680', 'end': '986.720', 'text': "not even going to discuss it. We'll just"}, {'start': '984.959', 'end': '987.839', 'text': 'move into the other room." I\'ve made a'}, {'start': '986.720', 'end': '990.480', 'text': "prediction that you're never going to"}, {'start': '987.839', 'end': '992.079', 'text': "hear a defense trial in that room that's"}, {'start': '990.480', 'end': '994.639', 'text': 'going to have a full jury ever again'}, {'start': '992.079', 'end': '997.120', 'text': 'because it will be dismissed on appeal.'}, {'start': '994.639', 'end': '1000.240', 'text': "So, when you're in a courtroom that"}, {'start': '997.120', 'end': '1001.759', 'text': "isn't suited for the situation, does it"}, {'start': '1000.240', 'end': '1003.920', 'text': 'actually change the way you might try'}, {'start': '1001.759', 'end': '1005.920', 'text': 'the case? You definitely have to prepare'}, {'start': '1003.920', 'end': '1007.839', 'text': 'differently, right? 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All of them are.'}, {'start': '1032.240', 'end': '1035.600', 'text': "But we Let's show you a little bit about"}, {'start': '1034.079', 'end': '1037.360', 'text': "what this is because we're talking about"}, {'start': '1035.600', 'end': '1040.640', 'text': 'when they get up for sidebars, which has'}, {'start': '1037.360', 'end': '1040.640', 'text': 'been happening a lot. Take a'}, {'start': '1042.039', 'end': '1048.280', 'text': 'look. Could I could I see council at'}, {'start': '1045.120', 'end': '1051.200', 'text': 'sidebar for just a minute for us?'}, {'start': '1048.280', 'end': '1054.080', 'text': 'Sidebar, may we approach, please? May we'}, {'start': '1051.200', 'end': '1055.919', 'text': "approach? Okay. Okay. You didn't see it."}, {'start': '1054.080', 'end': '1058.160', 'text': 'You heard it. May we approach? Sidebar,'}, {'start': '1055.919', 'end': '1060.000', 'text': 'please. Sidebar. So, when everyone gets'}, {'start': '1058.160', 'end': '1061.280', 'text': "up. So, to your point, they're they're"}, {'start': '1060.000', 'end': '1062.559', 'text': 'trying to it\'s like, "Excuse me, pardon'}, {'start': '1061.280', 'end': '1064.640', 'text': 'me. Excuse me. Can you get there?"'}, {'start': '1062.559', 'end': '1066.720', 'text': 'Morgetta, it makes kind of a scene when'}, {'start': '1064.640', 'end': '1069.039', 'text': 'they go to sidebar. And now this time,'}, {'start': '1066.720', 'end': '1071.200', 'text': 'Karen Reed is joining her lawyers. What'}, {'start': '1069.039', 'end': '1072.799', 'text': 'is the impact, if any, on a jury to see'}, {'start': '1071.200', 'end': '1075.600', 'text': 'the defendant get up and down, up and'}, {'start': '1072.799', 'end': '1077.840', 'text': "down? It shows she's invested, right?"}, {'start': '1075.600', 'end': '1080.000', 'text': 'You want this defendant to be a part of'}, {'start': '1077.840', 'end': '1081.760', 'text': 'the case just as much as the prosecution'}, {'start': '1080.000', 'end': '1083.520', 'text': "is saying that she's not, right? Because"}, {'start': '1081.760', 'end': '1085.600', 'text': "everyone's looking at her. The world is"}, {'start': '1083.520', 'end': '1087.280', 'text': "looking at her. And it shows that she's"}, {'start': '1085.600', 'end': '1089.440', 'text': 'not going to just sit down and let them'}, {'start': '1087.280', 'end': '1091.200', 'text': 'say anything about her. It is very rare'}, {'start': '1089.440', 'end': '1094.000', 'text': 'that defendants do go up with their'}, {'start': '1091.200', 'end': '1096.000', 'text': "attorneys to sidebar. I've only ever had"}, {'start': '1094.000', 'end': '1098.600', 'text': "it happen once. But I think it's"}, {'start': '1096.000', 'end': '1100.960', 'text': 'refreshing to show that she is actively'}, {'start': '1098.600', 'end': '1102.160', 'text': 'participating in her own defense, which'}, {'start': '1100.960', 'end': '1103.840', 'text': "you don't really see a lot of times,"}, {'start': '1102.160', 'end': '1105.440', 'text': "which by the way, I don't get credit for"}, {'start': '1103.840', 'end': '1107.280', 'text': 'asking that question. That question came'}, {'start': '1105.440', 'end': '1109.200', 'text': 'from Susan in Brainree. So, thank you'}, {'start': '1107.280', 'end': '1110.720', 'text': 'for asking it so we could we could find'}, {'start': '1109.200', 'end': '1112.080', 'text': "out because we don't know what kind of"}, {'start': '1110.720', 'end': '1113.840', 'text': 'impact that could have. Yeah. And I'}, {'start': '1112.080', 'end': '1115.679', 'text': 'think the jurors are going to appreciate'}, {'start': '1113.840', 'end': '1118.000', 'text': "that she's not just sitting there and"}, {'start': '1115.679', 'end': '1120.080', 'text': 'letting her attorneys talk and talk'}, {'start': '1118.000', 'end': '1121.440', 'text': 'amongst themselves. She is actively'}, {'start': '1120.080', 'end': '1123.120', 'text': 'participating in the case. I think'}, {'start': '1121.440', 'end': '1125.120', 'text': 'sometimes she talks about researching in'}, {'start': '1123.120', 'end': '1127.360', 'text': "the case as well and she said that she's"}, {'start': '1125.120', 'end': '1129.120', 'text': "she's on top of it. She comments after"}, {'start': '1127.360', 'end': '1130.960', 'text': 'court. I think all of that really does'}, {'start': '1129.120', 'end': '1132.160', 'text': 'matter to the jury to be honest. All'}, {'start': '1130.960', 'end': '1133.520', 'text': "right, let's look ahead to tomorrow."}, {'start': '1132.160', 'end': '1135.760', 'text': 'Jennifer McCabe will be back on the'}, {'start': '1133.520', 'end': '1137.760', 'text': "stand for a third day. She's of course"}, {'start': '1135.760', 'end': '1139.760', 'text': 'one of the people inside 34 Fair View'}, {'start': '1137.760', 'end': '1141.919', 'text': 'Road on the night all of this had'}, {'start': '1139.760', 'end': '1144.799', 'text': 'happened and the first to testify in the'}, {'start': '1141.919', 'end': '1147.600', 'text': 'retrial. So Sue, do you have a hunch on'}, {'start': '1144.799', 'end': '1150.440', 'text': 'where we may go after Jennifer McCabe'}, {'start': '1147.600', 'end': '1152.799', 'text': 'finishes cross and probably is redirect'}, {'start': '1150.440', 'end': '1154.640', 'text': 'examination from Hank Brennan? So Hank'}, {'start': '1152.799', 'end': '1156.880', 'text': "Brennan told us he's going to use data"}, {'start': '1154.640', 'end': '1159.200', 'text': 'to tell the story. So the way that he'}, {'start': '1156.880', 'end': '1162.240', 'text': 'set up Jen McCabe was he had celebrate,'}, {'start': '1159.200', 'end': '1164.799', 'text': 'he had Wiffen testify first to give us a'}, {'start': '1162.240', 'end': '1168.000', 'text': 'context to understand what Alan Jackson'}, {'start': '1164.799', 'end': '1170.000', 'text': 'was going to ask um Jen McCabe. So I'}, {'start': '1168.000', 'end': '1172.640', 'text': 'think we may hear it from the dog expert'}, {'start': '1170.000', 'end': '1174.640', 'text': 'next. Uh, and then we will hear from'}, {'start': '1172.640', 'end': '1176.080', 'text': 'someone who will testify about Khloe.'}, {'start': '1174.640', 'end': '1178.000', 'text': "But I think what we're going to see,"}, {'start': '1176.080', 'end': '1179.760', 'text': "whether or not it's a dog expert or not,"}, {'start': '1178.000', 'end': '1183.280', 'text': "we're going to hear a scientist or an"}, {'start': '1179.760', 'end': '1185.679', 'text': 'expert who has data or evidence that is'}, {'start': '1183.280', 'end': '1187.039', 'text': 'scientifically based and then a person,'}, {'start': '1185.679', 'end': '1189.120', 'text': "and I don't mean that the expert"}, {'start': '1187.039', 'end': '1191.360', 'text': 'witnesses are people, but a real person'}, {'start': '1189.120', 'end': '1193.919', 'text': 'who was either in the building or in the'}, {'start': '1191.360', 'end': '1196.400', 'text': 'house or was at a scene in some way. so'}, {'start': '1193.919', 'end': '1198.799', 'text': 'that the jury has some basis of'}, {'start': '1196.400', 'end': '1201.520', 'text': 'understanding of science so that when'}, {'start': '1198.799', 'end': '1203.200', 'text': 'Alan Jackson or Yianetti or Allessie get'}, {'start': '1201.520', 'end': '1205.520', 'text': "up there to attack the witness's"}, {'start': '1203.200', 'end': '1206.640', 'text': 'credibility or story, the jury are'}, {'start': '1205.520', 'end': '1208.160', 'text': "they're already going to have some"}, {'start': '1206.640', 'end': '1211.280', 'text': 'scientific evidence to underpin under'}, {'start': '1208.160', 'end': '1212.960', 'text': 'underpin that last word. I agree. I'}, {'start': '1211.280', 'end': '1214.480', 'text': 'think that this is the timeline is a'}, {'start': '1212.960', 'end': '1216.320', 'text': "little bit more refreshing. It's a"}, {'start': '1214.480', 'end': '1218.799', 'text': 'little bit more clear, which could be a'}, {'start': '1216.320', 'end': '1220.559', 'text': 'blessing or a curse, right? Because if'}, {'start': '1218.799', 'end': '1221.919', 'text': 'you have the expert come on and then the'}, {'start': '1220.559', 'end': '1223.919', 'text': 'witness say something different like'}, {'start': '1221.919', 'end': '1226.080', 'text': "we're doing in the Jen McCabe situation,"}, {'start': '1223.919', 'end': '1228.640', 'text': 'it could hurt the case. But so far so'}, {'start': '1226.080', 'end': '1230.320', 'text': 'good. Sue Morietta, as always, thank you'}, {'start': '1228.640', 'end': '1232.240', 'text': 'so much and thank you to all of you'}, {'start': '1230.320', 'end': '1234.000', 'text': 'again for joining us. If you have any'}, {'start': '1232.240', 'end': '1235.679', 'text': 'questions about this case, keep sending'}, {'start': '1234.000', 'end': '1237.960', 'text': 'them our way. The email is on your'}, {'start': '1235.679', 'end': '1239.200', 'text': 'screen,'}, {'start': '1237.960', 'end': '1241.360', 'text': "kanton.confidential@nbcuni.com. We'll"}, {'start': '1239.200', 'end': '1244.159', 'text': 'answer as many questions as we can. And'}, {'start': '1241.360', 'end': '1246.400', 'text': 'remember to join us every week night at'}, {'start': '1244.159', 'end': '1248.080', 'text': '7. will have a full recap of the latest'}, {'start': '1246.400', 'end': '1250.960', 'text': 'developments from court as well as legal'}, {'start': '1248.080', 'end': '1252.720', 'text': 'analysis. 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