Virtuosity Character Podcast Episode 5: Navigating A Divisive World with Lorelei Rollings
Virtuosity Character
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That's why we've"}, {'start': '44.079', 'end': '48.239', 'text': 'built a researchbased system that acts'}, {'start': '46.160', 'end': '50.640', 'text': 'as your character gym, making character'}, {'start': '48.239', 'end': '52.719', 'text': 'development practical, scalable, and'}, {'start': '50.640', 'end': '54.800', 'text': 'accessible even within the largest'}, {'start': '52.719', 'end': '56.719', 'text': 'organizations.'}, {'start': '54.800', 'end': '58.079', 'text': 'On this podcast, we sit down with'}, {'start': '56.719', 'end': '60.320', 'text': 'participants from our flagship'}, {'start': '58.079', 'end': '62.399', 'text': 'virtuosity program where individuals'}, {'start': '60.320', 'end': '64.439', 'text': 'commit to a full year of daily character'}, {'start': '62.399', 'end': '66.720', 'text': 'development powered by'}, {'start': '64.439', 'end': '68.799', 'text': 'virtuosity. 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Ready to start your own'}, {'start': '89.200', 'end': '93.520', 'text': 'virtuosity journey? Download the'}, {'start': '91.280', 'end': '96.960', 'text': 'Virtuosity Character app or visit'}, {'start': '93.520', 'end': '99.560', 'text': 'virtuosity character.ca to learn more.'}, {'start': '96.960', 'end': '102.079', 'text': "Now, let's dive into today's"}, {'start': '99.560', 'end': '103.840', 'text': 'episode. Hello everyone and welcome to'}, {'start': '102.079', 'end': '106.079', 'text': 'the fifth episode of the Virtuosity'}, {'start': '103.840', 'end': '107.439', 'text': "podcast. If you're new, I encourage you"}, {'start': '106.079', 'end': '109.360', 'text': 'to check out our launch episode with'}, {'start': '107.439', 'end': '111.600', 'text': 'Mary Crossen for a powerful introduction'}, {'start': '109.360', 'end': '114.079', 'text': "to this series. Today, we're thrilled to"}, {'start': '111.600', 'end': '116.240', 'text': 'welcome Lauraai Rowings as our guest.'}, {'start': '114.079', 'end': '118.560', 'text': 'Driven by a deep curiosity about human'}, {'start': '116.240', 'end': '120.079', 'text': 'behavior, emotions, and connection,'}, {'start': '118.560', 'end': '121.680', 'text': 'Lauraai has built her life and'}, {'start': '120.079', 'end': '124.000', 'text': 'leadership journey around service,'}, {'start': '121.680', 'end': '125.520', 'text': 'compassion, and continuous learning. She'}, {'start': '124.000', 'end': '127.600', 'text': 'spent her early years with the Royal'}, {'start': '125.520', 'end': '129.759', 'text': 'Canadian Mounted Police, responding to'}, {'start': '127.600', 'end': '131.680', 'text': 'calls for help from people in all walks'}, {'start': '129.759', 'end': '133.360', 'text': 'of life, an experience that shaped her'}, {'start': '131.680', 'end': '136.480', 'text': 'belief that real leadership starts with'}, {'start': '133.360', 'end': '138.560', 'text': 'heart. In her 29 years with the RCMP,'}, {'start': '136.480', 'end': '140.480', 'text': 'Lauraai has guided teams, mentored'}, {'start': '138.560', 'end': '142.560', 'text': 'leaders, and contributed to national'}, {'start': '140.480', 'end': '144.959', 'text': 'initiatives focused on growth,'}, {'start': '142.560', 'end': '146.959', 'text': 'character, and culture. Whether training'}, {'start': '144.959', 'end': '148.720', 'text': 'women police officers across the globe'}, {'start': '146.959', 'end': '150.879', 'text': 'or advocating for mental health and'}, {'start': '148.720', 'end': '152.640', 'text': 'inclusive workplaces, she operates from'}, {'start': '150.879', 'end': '155.120', 'text': 'a people first, character-driven'}, {'start': '152.640', 'end': '156.959', 'text': 'approach. As a certified coach and'}, {'start': '155.120', 'end': '158.640', 'text': 'character leadership practitioner,'}, {'start': '156.959', 'end': '160.319', 'text': 'Lauraai is passionate about helping'}, {'start': '158.640', 'end': '162.800', 'text': 'others lead with self-awareness,'}, {'start': '160.319', 'end': '164.319', 'text': 'kindness, and courage. She believes in'}, {'start': '162.800', 'end': '166.560', 'text': 'the power of character to bridge'}, {'start': '164.319', 'end': '168.239', 'text': 'divides, lift others up, and create'}, {'start': '166.560', 'end': '170.720', 'text': 'spaces where people feel valued and'}, {'start': '168.239', 'end': '172.879', 'text': 'supported. At her core, Lauraai believes'}, {'start': '170.720', 'end': '174.640', 'text': "that leadership isn't about titles. It's"}, {'start': '172.879', 'end': '177.440', 'text': 'about how we show up for ourselves and'}, {'start': '174.640', 'end': '179.040', 'text': 'each other every single day. Laura,'}, {'start': '177.440', 'end': '181.200', 'text': "you've had quite the extensive journey"}, {'start': '179.040', 'end': '183.040', 'text': 'doing many amazing things. And as I read'}, {'start': '181.200', 'end': '184.800', 'text': 'your bio out, what stands out to me so'}, {'start': '183.040', 'end': '187.040', 'text': 'clearly is the heart that seems to guide'}, {'start': '184.800', 'end': '189.599', 'text': "all of it. It's clear that your work has"}, {'start': '187.040', 'end': '191.280', 'text': "always been about people. And so it's an"}, {'start': '189.599', 'end': '193.360', 'text': 'honor to have you here to talk about'}, {'start': '191.280', 'end': '195.360', 'text': 'something as personal and powerful as'}, {'start': '193.360', 'end': '198.319', 'text': 'character. So excited to have you with'}, {'start': '195.360', 'end': '200.159', 'text': 'us. Welcome. Thanks very much, Corey.'}, {'start': '198.319', 'end': '202.800', 'text': 'Yes, I I am glad to be here and talk'}, {'start': '200.159', 'end': '205.120', 'text': 'about how character is really helping me'}, {'start': '202.800', 'end': '209.440', 'text': 'in my journey and helping me to be able'}, {'start': '205.120', 'end': '211.680', 'text': 'to deliver on that art first mindset uh'}, {'start': '209.440', 'end': '214.400', 'text': 'you know while I go about you know doing'}, {'start': '211.680', 'end': '217.920', 'text': 'all my my tasks and my responsibilities'}, {'start': '214.400', 'end': '219.840', 'text': 'in this busy world.'}, {'start': '217.920', 'end': '221.440', 'text': "So, I'm really excited to get into the"}, {'start': '219.840', 'end': '222.799', 'text': 'the topics that we are going to get into'}, {'start': '221.440', 'end': '225.200', 'text': 'today. And something that you wanted to'}, {'start': '222.799', 'end': '227.280', 'text': 'talk about was how we can really'}, {'start': '225.200', 'end': '229.360', 'text': "navigate this divisive world that we're"}, {'start': '227.280', 'end': '231.040', 'text': 'in with character. But before we get'}, {'start': '229.360', 'end': '232.640', 'text': 'into that, I do want to start off with a'}, {'start': '231.040', 'end': '236.360', 'text': 'question that I ask all of our guests,'}, {'start': '232.640', 'end': '238.959', 'text': 'which is why does character matter to'}, {'start': '236.360', 'end': '241.200', 'text': 'you? Corey, character matters to me'}, {'start': '238.959', 'end': '244.640', 'text': "because I think it's the absolute"}, {'start': '241.200', 'end': '246.879', 'text': 'foundation and cornerstone of how we can'}, {'start': '244.640', 'end': '250.000', 'text': 'go about accepting ourselves and'}, {'start': '246.879', 'end': '252.959', 'text': 'checking ourselves, becoming better'}, {'start': '250.000', 'end': '255.840', 'text': "human beings. And I I I don't really"}, {'start': '252.959', 'end': '258.720', 'text': "know that we've attended to this a lot"}, {'start': '255.840', 'end': '260.400', 'text': 'in the last number of years. And for me,'}, {'start': '258.720', 'end': '262.479', 'text': 'I had kind of a serendipitous journey'}, {'start': '260.400', 'end': '264.320', 'text': 'into character because I started taking'}, {'start': '262.479', 'end': '265.680', 'text': 'this year-long life coaching course. 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And when other people look at'}, {'start': '283.120', 'end': '288.240', 'text': "me, I'll have a sense that those were my"}, {'start': '285.280', 'end': '290.479', 'text': 'personal core values. Am I living that?'}, {'start': '288.240', 'end': '292.880', 'text': 'And so at the same time that I was'}, {'start': '290.479', 'end': '295.280', 'text': 'taking this course as part of my mandate'}, {'start': '292.880', 'end': '296.800', 'text': 'at work, I was becoming responsible to'}, {'start': '295.280', 'end': '299.520', 'text': 'figure out how we could implement'}, {'start': '296.800', 'end': '302.400', 'text': 'character leadership in the RCMP. So'}, {'start': '299.520', 'end': '304.240', 'text': 'when I finished that part of the course,'}, {'start': '302.400', 'end': '307.840', 'text': 'character became this really great tool'}, {'start': '304.240', 'end': '310.160', 'text': 'for me to continue as I evolved, as the'}, {'start': '307.840', 'end': '312.320', 'text': 'situations I were in evolved, as I was'}, {'start': '310.160', 'end': '314.840', 'text': 'becoming challenged by what was going on'}, {'start': '312.320', 'end': '318.240', 'text': 'around me. character became this'}, {'start': '314.840', 'end': '320.560', 'text': 'foundation from which I could operate'}, {'start': '318.240', 'end': '322.160', 'text': 'and you know sometimes add some gas and'}, {'start': '320.560', 'end': '323.680', 'text': "sometimes pump the brakes and it's kind"}, {'start': '322.160', 'end': '326.320', 'text': 'of like for me character is like the'}, {'start': '323.680', 'end': '328.080', 'text': 'guard rails on the road of life so that'}, {'start': '326.320', 'end': '329.360', 'text': 'as I go careening through life I can'}, {'start': '328.080', 'end': '330.639', 'text': "make sure I'm staying in my lanes and"}, {'start': '329.360', 'end': '333.199', 'text': "I'm not over in the ditch and I'm not"}, {'start': '330.639', 'end': '335.520', 'text': 'over in oncoming traffic and you know'}, {'start': '333.199', 'end': '338.240', 'text': "it's just it's it's always helping to"}, {'start': '335.520', 'end': '341.520', 'text': 'shape me and so if I start to I think'}, {'start': '338.240', 'end': '343.120', 'text': "there's a tendency when we're stressed"}, {'start': '341.520', 'end': '344.720', 'text': "when we're under pressure to lean lean"}, {'start': '343.120', 'end': '346.240', 'text': 'into our strengths. And so character'}, {'start': '344.720', 'end': '348.560', 'text': "becomes that thing as I'm having that"}, {'start': '346.240', 'end': '351.120', 'text': 'tendency to lean into my strengths. Say,'}, {'start': '348.560', 'end': '353.120', 'text': 'whoa, whoa, whoa. What about your'}, {'start': '351.120', 'end': '354.960', 'text': 'humanity? What about your transcendence?'}, {'start': '353.120', 'end': '355.720', 'text': 'Where are you at with your temperance?'}, {'start': '354.960', 'end': '358.880', 'text': 'And'}, {'start': '355.720', 'end': '361.919', 'text': "so, it's just really become important."}, {'start': '358.880', 'end': '365.240', 'text': 'And I find it so easy to sell as this'}, {'start': '361.919', 'end': '367.840', 'text': 'foundational piece for helping to guide'}, {'start': '365.240', 'end': '370.080', 'text': 'us as we go through life and to make'}, {'start': '367.840', 'end': '372.720', 'text': "sure that, you know, we don't have to"}, {'start': '370.080', 'end': '376.800', 'text': "double back and fix problems that we've"}, {'start': '372.720', 'end': '378.639', 'text': 'inadvertently caused quite so often.'}, {'start': '376.800', 'end': '381.120', 'text': 'I love that. And especially that that'}, {'start': '378.639', 'end': '383.360', 'text': 'last piece too around where we typically'}, {'start': '381.120', 'end': '385.120', 'text': 'lean into our strengths, but actually'}, {'start': '383.360', 'end': '386.400', 'text': 'like I I found one of the most powerful'}, {'start': '385.120', 'end': '388.000', 'text': 'pieces with character is how our'}, {'start': '386.400', 'end': '389.919', 'text': 'strengths can operate as those excess'}, {'start': '388.000', 'end': '392.520', 'text': 'vices. Courage becomes recklessness'}, {'start': '389.919', 'end': '395.360', 'text': 'without humility to support it. 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So that'}, {'start': '406.400', 'end': '411.600', 'text': 'really resonates with me when you say'}, {'start': '407.840', 'end': '413.600', 'text': 'that and and as you add that something'}, {'start': '411.600', 'end': '416.400', 'text': 'else that I think that is important to'}, {'start': '413.600', 'end': '418.880', 'text': 'me about character is it it actually'}, {'start': '416.400', 'end': '421.199', 'text': 'speaks to like our physiology, our'}, {'start': '418.880', 'end': '423.520', 'text': 'behavior, our affect, our cognition and'}, {'start': '421.199', 'end': '425.479', 'text': 'and looks at us at this as this whole'}, {'start': '423.520', 'end': '429.440', 'text': 'comprehensive being.'}, {'start': '425.479', 'end': '433.280', 'text': 'And now since learning that, I am so'}, {'start': '429.440', 'end': '435.840', 'text': 'much more invested in ensuring that my'}, {'start': '433.280', 'end': '437.440', 'text': 'whole person health is optimized. And'}, {'start': '435.840', 'end': '439.840', 'text': "it's become like a non-negotiable for"}, {'start': '437.440', 'end': '441.759', 'text': "me. I know that when I'm starting to"}, {'start': '439.840', 'end': '443.199', 'text': "really feel stressed and harried and I'm"}, {'start': '441.759', 'end': '447.919', 'text': 'starting to lean too much into those'}, {'start': '443.199', 'end': '450.880', 'text': "strengths that probably don't need to up"}, {'start': '447.919', 'end': '453.360', 'text': 'my sleep or up the the time that I spend'}, {'start': '450.880', 'end': '456.720', 'text': 'in in fitness or in reflection or in'}, {'start': '453.360', 'end': '458.160', 'text': "joyful activities and that's really you"}, {'start': '456.720', 'end': '461.520', 'text': 'know a really really important piece'}, {'start': '458.160', 'end': '463.840', 'text': 'that character brings us as well.'}, {'start': '461.520', 'end': '465.919', 'text': 'Yeah. and um you know these these'}, {'start': '463.840', 'end': '467.919', 'text': 'strengths turning into excess vices. I'}, {'start': '465.919', 'end': '469.840', 'text': 'think as we get into the the topic that'}, {'start': '467.919', 'end': '472.400', 'text': 'you were really excited to dig into'}, {'start': '469.840', 'end': '475.680', 'text': 'today around a divi divisive world. I'}, {'start': '472.400', 'end': '477.120', 'text': 'think oftentimes we can see how some of'}, {'start': '475.680', 'end': '479.199', 'text': 'our strengths operating in excess de'}, {'start': '477.120', 'end': '481.360', 'text': 'vices can get us into a divisive world'}, {'start': '479.199', 'end': '483.440', 'text': 'where we have incredibly strong'}, {'start': '481.360', 'end': '485.599', 'text': 'principles and values. We would bucket'}, {'start': '483.440', 'end': '488.160', 'text': 'that under that integrity bubble and the'}, {'start': '485.599', 'end': '490.319', 'text': 'leader character framework. But it'}, {'start': '488.160', 'end': '492.479', 'text': 'integrity can become an excess vice. can'}, {'start': '490.319', 'end': '494.560', 'text': "become dogmatic and rigid when we don't"}, {'start': '492.479', 'end': '497.440', 'text': 'have these other dimensions like being'}, {'start': '494.560', 'end': '501.199', 'text': 'open-minded and humble to support it.'}, {'start': '497.440', 'end': '502.879', 'text': 'So, how have you started to find the'}, {'start': '501.199', 'end': '505.680', 'text': "what's the role that character can play"}, {'start': '502.879', 'end': '508.120', 'text': 'in your view to help us navigate this uh'}, {'start': '505.680', 'end': '510.720', 'text': "divisive world we're finding ourselves"}, {'start': '508.120', 'end': '512.479', 'text': 'in? So much of what you said, Corey, so'}, {'start': '510.720', 'end': '514.880', 'text': "I've been working on open-mindedness. I"}, {'start': '512.479', 'end': '517.279', 'text': 'consider myself to be a fairly'}, {'start': '514.880', 'end': '520.640', 'text': 'open-minded person. Open-mindedness is'}, {'start': '517.279', 'end': '522.800', 'text': 'actually one of my core values. But the'}, {'start': '520.640', 'end': '525.040', 'text': 'more I become invested in something that'}, {'start': '522.800', 'end': '529.360', 'text': 'I see as really, really important to'}, {'start': '525.040', 'end': '532.360', 'text': 'fight for in this divided world, the'}, {'start': '529.360', 'end': '535.959', 'text': 'more I start to lean into a'}, {'start': '532.360', 'end': '538.480', 'text': 'self-righteous, combative, dogmatic,'}, {'start': '535.959', 'end': '540.880', 'text': 'inflexible state, which is exactly the'}, {'start': '538.480', 'end': '542.720', 'text': 'opposite of open-minded. I want other'}, {'start': '540.880', 'end': '545.519', 'text': 'people to be open-minded, but in trying'}, {'start': '542.720', 'end': '547.040', 'text': 'to push that agenda, I myself become'}, {'start': '545.519', 'end': '550.480', 'text': "less open-minded. And you know, it's"}, {'start': '547.040', 'end': '551.920', 'text': 'kind of how um like Nietze talked about'}, {'start': '550.480', 'end': '553.440', 'text': "don't become a monster while you're"}, {'start': '551.920', 'end': '555.600', 'text': "fighting monsters. And I'm not saying"}, {'start': '553.440', 'end': '557.519', 'text': "anyone that I'm debating these things"}, {'start': '555.600', 'end': '559.880', 'text': 'with are monsters, but figuratively'}, {'start': '557.519', 'end': '562.320', 'text': 'speaking, you can picture'}, {'start': '559.880', 'end': '563.680', 'text': 'how yeah, the more invested and the more'}, {'start': '562.320', 'end': '566.839', 'text': 'you knuckle down about something, the'}, {'start': '563.680', 'end': '569.640', 'text': 'more you want a certain'}, {'start': '566.839', 'end': '572.640', 'text': 'outcome, you can actually become the'}, {'start': '569.640', 'end': '574.160', 'text': "thing that that you're that you're"}, {'start': '572.640', 'end': '575.760', 'text': 'trying to go up against. The thing that'}, {'start': '574.160', 'end': '579.360', 'text': "you're trying to quell is what you grow"}, {'start': '575.760', 'end': '581.080', 'text': 'into. And so, um, like I really see'}, {'start': '579.360', 'end': '585.200', 'text': 'character'}, {'start': '581.080', 'end': '587.440', 'text': 'as that balancing tempering,'}, {'start': '585.200', 'end': '589.480', 'text': 'um, influence that helps me, you know,'}, {'start': '587.440', 'end': '592.240', 'text': 'when I get like when I get way'}, {'start': '589.480', 'end': '595.440', 'text': 'overweighted on my justice, for'}, {'start': '592.240', 'end': '597.920', 'text': "instance. Okay, Laura, there's multiple"}, {'start': '595.440', 'end': '599.760', 'text': "sides. There's great complexity. 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That's so good."}, {'start': '2453.160', 'end': '2457.839', 'text': 'Um, and then also my transcendence like'}, {'start': '2455.920', 'end': '2460.800', 'text': 'that whole idea around like I can afford'}, {'start': '2457.839', 'end': '2462.240', 'text': "to be open-minded because I don't have"}, {'start': '2460.800', 'end': '2463.680', 'text': 'to win every battle. you can lose a'}, {'start': '2462.240', 'end': '2464.800', 'text': 'battle and you can still win the war and'}, {'start': '2463.680', 'end': '2465.920', 'text': 'eventually like things are going to'}, {'start': '2464.800', 'end': '2467.680', 'text': 'change and things are going to progress'}, {'start': '2465.920', 'end': '2469.119', 'text': "and I can't see it right in front of me"}, {'start': '2467.680', 'end': '2473.079', 'text': "right now because it's up and around a"}, {'start': '2469.119', 'end': '2476.960', 'text': "corner or you know it's not I I I"}, {'start': '2473.079', 'end': '2480.160', 'text': 'trust goodness will prevail and so I can'}, {'start': '2476.960', 'end': '2484.440', 'text': 'afford to be open-minded here and not'}, {'start': '2480.160', 'end': '2488.640', 'text': 'force my opinions or not use this as'}, {'start': '2484.440', 'end': '2490.760', 'text': 'an debate across you know ideologies or'}, {'start': '2488.640', 'end': '2493.760', 'text': 'political positions or'}, {'start': '2490.760', 'end': '2496.640', 'text': "thing, Lauraai, like we've got runway"}, {'start': '2493.760', 'end': '2499.560', 'text': 'here. 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And so, you know, I'}, {'start': '2851.280', 'end': '2855.359', 'text': 'really appreciate all of the exposure,'}, {'start': '2853.440', 'end': '2857.040', 'text': 'like back to that idea of character and'}, {'start': '2855.359', 'end': '2861.160', 'text': "it's connection with privilege, like all"}, {'start': '2857.040', 'end': '2863.280', 'text': "the exposure that I've had to character."}, {'start': '2861.160', 'end': '2864.480', 'text': 'Um, yeah. And the fact that, you know,'}, {'start': '2863.280', 'end': '2866.079', 'text': 'every time somebody writes a new book'}, {'start': '2864.480', 'end': '2867.920', 'text': 'about character or something, I go, you'}, {'start': '2866.079', 'end': '2869.280', 'text': 'know, can go order it on Amazon and and'}, {'start': '2867.920', 'end': '2870.560', 'text': 'have the time to sink into it because I'}, {'start': '2869.280', 'end': '2873.680', 'text': "don't have to work three jobs. And it's"}, {'start': '2870.560', 'end': '2876.400', 'text': "such um but it it's the thing that is"}, {'start': '2873.680', 'end': '2878.240', 'text': 'continuing to help me dig myself out'}, {'start': '2876.400', 'end': '2883.040', 'text': 'from the trouble that I get my own self'}, {'start': '2878.240', 'end': '2885.359', 'text': 'into. and become a better version of me.'}, {'start': '2883.040', 'end': '2888.720', 'text': "Yeah, it's it's funny. The more and more"}, {'start': '2885.359', 'end': '2890.800', 'text': 'you focus on character, it almost'}, {'start': '2888.720', 'end': '2892.240', 'text': 'reveals all of the opportunities that we'}, {'start': '2890.800', 'end': '2893.760', 'text': 'have to strengthen our character even'}, {'start': '2892.240', 'end': '2895.599', 'text': "more. And it's funny because when we"}, {'start': '2893.760', 'end': '2896.960', 'text': 'when we look at scaling oursel or'}, {'start': '2895.599', 'end': '2898.960', 'text': 'assessing oursel on strength of'}, {'start': '2896.960', 'end': '2901.920', 'text': 'character, we typically use a scale. In'}, {'start': '2898.960', 'end': '2904.079', 'text': 'virtuosity, we use a zero to 10 scale.'}, {'start': '2901.920', 'end': '2905.760', 'text': 'But actually, I feel like that 10 is'}, {'start': '2904.079', 'end': '2906.960', 'text': "just a moving goalpost. It's like every"}, {'start': '2905.760', 'end': '2908.559', 'text': 'single time you strengthen your'}, {'start': '2906.960', 'end': '2910.720', 'text': 'character, as you think you get closer,'}, {'start': '2908.559', 'end': '2912.400', 'text': 'it then gets further away. And I think'}, {'start': '2910.720', 'end': '2914.400', 'text': "that's the blessing and the curse with"}, {'start': '2912.400', 'end': '2916.960', 'text': "character that it's never going to be"}, {'start': '2914.400', 'end': '2918.800', 'text': "perfect, but it's actually a blessing to"}, {'start': '2916.960', 'end': '2920.400', 'text': 'know that we can always be better. And'}, {'start': '2918.800', 'end': '2922.480', 'text': "so sometimes when when we're frustrated"}, {'start': '2920.400', 'end': '2924.559', 'text': 'with our character, just remembering'}, {'start': '2922.480', 'end': '2926.559', 'text': 'that at least, you know, we see'}, {'start': '2924.559', 'end': '2928.480', 'text': 'opportunity for growth and we have the'}, {'start': '2926.559', 'end': '2931.040', 'text': 'tools, we we we can work on'}, {'start': '2928.480', 'end': '2933.520', 'text': 'strengthening our character. Absolutely.'}, {'start': '2931.040', 'end': '2935.680', 'text': 'Absolutely. We are so much better off'}, {'start': '2933.520', 'end': '2937.839', 'text': 'even if the goalpost continues to change'}, {'start': '2935.680', 'end': '2940.800', 'text': "the more we aware we get. It's like it"}, {'start': '2937.839', 'end': '2942.640', 'text': 'was it Maya Angelou that said we do best'}, {'start': '2940.800', 'end': '2944.480', 'text': 'we can at the time and when we know'}, {'start': '2942.640', 'end': '2946.559', 'text': 'better we do better. So even though that'}, {'start': '2944.480', 'end': '2948.480', 'text': 'goalpost is always changing if we look'}, {'start': '2946.559', 'end': '2951.680', 'text': 'at where we came from and where we would'}, {'start': '2948.480', 'end': '2954.960', 'text': "be if we didn't have character the"}, {'start': '2951.680', 'end': '2956.200', 'text': 'influencing and guiding our actions, our'}, {'start': '2954.960', 'end': '2958.559', 'text': 'thoughts, our'}, {'start': '2956.200', 'end': '2961.680', 'text': "engagements. Wow. I just I don't even"}, {'start': '2958.559', 'end': '2965.359', 'text': 'want to think about the dumpster fire I'}, {'start': '2961.680', 'end': '2970.319', 'text': 'might might be I might be in I might be'}, {'start': '2965.359', 'end': '2971.920', 'text': 'in. So um yeah I I fully appreciate that'}, {'start': '2970.319', 'end': '2973.599', 'text': 'this is a like this is a lifelong'}, {'start': '2971.920', 'end': '2977.440', 'text': 'journey and there is there is no finish'}, {'start': '2973.599', 'end': '2979.280', 'text': 'line and yet it is so worth running that'}, {'start': '2977.440', 'end': '2982.240', 'text': "that race so to speak. It's not a race."}, {'start': '2979.280', 'end': '2985.520', 'text': "It's so worth taking the journey even"}, {'start': '2982.240', 'end': '2988.640', 'text': "though there's no finish line because"}, {'start': '2985.520', 'end': '2991.839', 'text': 'it is just yeah it is just bringing so'}, {'start': '2988.640', 'end': '2993.359', 'text': 'much more health and quality to'}, {'start': '2991.839', 'end': '2995.280', 'text': 'everything that I do and to all my'}, {'start': '2993.359', 'end': '2997.680', 'text': 'relationships including very much my'}, {'start': '2995.280', 'end': '3000.400', 'text': 'relationship with myself.'}, {'start': '2997.680', 'end': '3002.640', 'text': "Yeah that's that's such an such an"}, {'start': '3000.400', 'end': '3004.720', 'text': 'important point you know focusing on on'}, {'start': '3002.640', 'end': '3006.400', 'text': 'the process not always the the outcome'}, {'start': '3004.720', 'end': '3008.000', 'text': 'and of course focusing on the process'}, {'start': '3006.400', 'end': '3010.559', 'text': "will help us in the outcomes. It's not"}, {'start': '3008.000', 'end': '3013.280', 'text': "that we we don't care about that. So,"}, {'start': '3010.559', 'end': '3015.119', 'text': 'okay, that was the last question, but I'}, {'start': '3013.280', 'end': '3016.960', 'text': 'want to just turn it back to you. Make'}, {'start': '3015.119', 'end': '3018.480', 'text': "sure that we've covered everything that"}, {'start': '3016.960', 'end': '3019.680', 'text': 'you you wanted to cover around'}, {'start': '3018.480', 'end': '3021.119', 'text': 'character. Is there anything that we'}, {'start': '3019.680', 'end': '3023.359', 'text': "haven't talked about that you'd like to"}, {'start': '3021.119', 'end': '3026.359', 'text': 'share before we do close up our time'}, {'start': '3023.359', 'end': '3026.359', 'text': 'together?'}, {'start': '3029.520', 'end': '3033.440', 'text': "I don't think so. I just, you know, want"}, {'start': '3031.520', 'end': '3035.280', 'text': "to encourage everyone that's, you know,"}, {'start': '3033.440', 'end': '3038.559', 'text': 'doing this work of building character'}, {'start': '3035.280', 'end': '3041.040', 'text': 'and and encourage all of us to know to'}, {'start': '3038.559', 'end': '3042.280', 'text': "to keep to keep doing it. It's it's so"}, {'start': '3041.040', 'end': '3046.160', 'text': 'worthwhile'}, {'start': '3042.280', 'end': '3048.160', 'text': 'and we are all contributing to making'}, {'start': '3046.160', 'end': '3050.000', 'text': 'the world a better place and yeah, we'}, {'start': '3048.160', 'end': '3051.359', 'text': 'are each that, you know, that ripple in'}, {'start': '3050.000', 'end': '3053.680', 'text': 'the ocean that eventually will create a'}, {'start': '3051.359', 'end': '3056.720', 'text': 'wave. And so'}, {'start': '3053.680', 'end': '3058.880', 'text': 'yeah, I really I really appreciate the'}, {'start': '3056.720', 'end': '3060.559', 'text': 'the effort that everyone else goes to as'}, {'start': '3058.880', 'end': '3061.920', 'text': "well because I'm a beneficiary of the"}, {'start': '3060.559', 'end': '3065.280', 'text': 'effort that they put into their own'}, {'start': '3061.920', 'end': '3066.559', 'text': 'character. So I love that the I'}, {'start': '3065.280', 'end': '3067.920', 'text': 'definitely think that we are creating'}, {'start': '3066.559', 'end': '3070.640', 'text': "waves and they're getting bigger and"}, {'start': '3067.920', 'end': '3072.400', 'text': 'bigger. Well, thanks so much, Lauraai,'}, {'start': '3070.640', 'end': '3074.960', 'text': 'for sharing some of your experiences.'}, {'start': '3072.400', 'end': '3076.319', 'text': "And I think you've given myself and a"}, {'start': '3074.960', 'end': '3078.559', 'text': 'lot of the listeners some really'}, {'start': '3076.319', 'end': '3080.480', 'text': 'practical examples of how we can'}, {'start': '3078.559', 'end': '3082.720', 'text': 'exercise our character in terms of being'}, {'start': '3080.480', 'end': '3084.960', 'text': 'open-minded while having our our values'}, {'start': '3082.720', 'end': '3086.880', 'text': 'at the same time, activating on our'}, {'start': '3084.960', 'end': '3088.559', 'text': 'temperance, also thinking about'}, {'start': '3086.880', 'end': '3090.559', 'text': 'transcendence in these really'}, {'start': '3088.559', 'end': '3092.800', 'text': 'challenging conversations, the divisive'}, {'start': '3090.559', 'end': '3094.800', 'text': "world we're in. So, I'm really excited"}, {'start': '3092.800', 'end': '3096.160', 'text': 'for the listeners to get to dig in and'}, {'start': '3094.800', 'end': '3098.880', 'text': 'hopefully be able to use some of these'}, {'start': '3096.160', 'end': '3101.040', 'text': 'really specific examples. um in their in'}, {'start': '3098.880', 'end': '3104.480', 'text': 'their own lives. So, thank you so much'}, {'start': '3101.040', 'end': '3106.160', 'text': 'for joining us. Thank you, Corey.'}, {'start': '3104.480', 'end': '3108.640', 'text': 'You have just finished another episode'}, {'start': '3106.160', 'end': '3110.559', 'text': 'from the Virtuosity podcast. If you have'}, {'start': '3108.640', 'end': '3112.760', 'text': 'any questions and want to connect,'}, {'start': '3110.559', 'end': '3114.359', 'text': 'please reach out to me at'}, {'start': '3112.760', 'end': '3116.800', 'text': 'coreyverirtuosity'}, {'start': '3114.359', 'end': '3119.200', 'text': "character.ca. I'm also on LinkedIn, so"}, {'start': '3116.800', 'end': '3122.230', 'text': "let's connect. As always, thank you so"}, {'start': '3119.200', 'end': '3134.640', 'text': 'much for listening. Bye for now.'}, {'start': '3122.230', 'end': '3134.640', 'text': '[Music]'}]