Legacy of Leadership: A Conversation with Former Bellingham Mayors
City of Bellingham, Washington
[{'start': '0.000', 'end': '6.206', 'text': '[Music]'}, {'start': '17.017', 'end': '21.488', 'text': "-  Welcome everybody. Welcome\ngentlemen. I'd like to before we"}, {'start': '21.488', 'end': '26.093', 'text': 'start, kind of just set\nthe stage in space and time'}, {'start': '26.827', 'end': '29.763', 'text': 'about what was happening\nfor each of you, what was'}, {'start': '29.763', 'end': '31.265', 'text': 'happening in\nthe world and in'}, {'start': '31.265', 'end': '33.867', 'text': 'Bellingham when each\nof you were the mayor.'}, {'start': '35.035', 'end': '40.574', 'text': 'Okay, so Mayor Hertz,\n1976 to 1983. You got the'}, {'start': '40.574', 'end': '46.613', 'text': 'Bicentennial, Jimmy Carter,\nStar Wars, Sally Ryder was the'}, {'start': '46.613', 'end': '50.017', 'text': 'first American woman in\nspace and stagflation.'}, {'start': '51.218', 'end': '52.252', 'text': 'Does that sound familiar?'}, {'start': '53.287', 'end': '54.788', 'text': 'Carter comes from there.'}, {'start': '57.624', 'end': '61.128', 'text': 'And then what was happening in\nBellingham during your term,'}, {'start': '61.762', 'end': '65.399', 'text': 'a lot of historic preservation,\nsafeguarding Fairhaven in'}, {'start': '65.399', 'end': '67.234', 'text': 'particular, environmental'}, {'start': '67.234', 'end': '71.805', 'text': 'activism, the Hertz\nTrail, urban planning.'}, {'start': '72.906', 'end': '76.310', 'text': 'Chat GPT said the following,\nwhich I think you would agree'}, {'start': '76.310', 'end': '79.913', 'text': 'with, and I think your\ncolleagues would agree with'}, {'start': '79.913', 'end': '86.286', 'text': 'this, but between 1976 and 1983,\nBellingham, Washington was'}, {'start': '86.286', 'end': '90.624', 'text': 'quietly transforming from a\nworking-class port town into'}, {'start': '90.624', 'end': '92.225', 'text': 'the beginnings of\nthe progressive'}, {'start': '92.225', 'end': '94.962', 'text': 'green college-anchored\ncity we know today.'}, {'start': '95.963', 'end': '96.663', 'text': 'Does that resonate?'}, {'start': '97.297', 'end': '102.302', 'text': 'That resonates. I think, you\nknow, I look at way back in'}, {'start': '102.302', 'end': '108.942', 'text': "1976. That's a long time ago,\nright? That's not too long."}, {'start': '110.344', 'end': '114.948', 'text': 'In any event, I think the\nbiggest change, in 1975, the'}, {'start': '114.948', 'end': '119.419', 'text': 'city charter changed to a\nstrong mayor system.'}, {'start': '120.754', 'end': '128.362', 'text': 'And prior to 1975, it was a\ndisaster. The city had good old'}, {'start': '128.362', 'end': '133.166', 'text': 'boys as department heads and\nno city can run without good'}, {'start': '133.166', 'end': '135.702', 'text': 'people in the\ndepartment head level.'}, {'start': '136.670', 'end': '140.707', 'text': "I don't care who's mayor. If\nyou don't have a good set of"}, {'start': '140.707', 'end': '143.877', 'text': "department heads, it's a\ndisaster. People were picked off"}, {'start': '143.877', 'end': '147.714', 'text': 'the street to serve\nas police chief.'}, {'start': '148.482', 'end': '151.451', 'text': 'People were picked off the\nstreet to serve as planning'}, {'start': '151.451', 'end': '156.356', 'text': 'director, as park director. I\ncan look at that as being the'}, {'start': '156.356', 'end': '162.662', 'text': 'most significant change\nto set up a good set of...'}, {'start': '162.662', 'end': '166.466', 'text': "No, you don't always pick the\nright people, but you pick"}, {'start': '166.466', 'end': '168.035', 'text': 'them most of the\ntime based on'}, {'start': '168.035', 'end': '170.971', 'text': 'qualifications and\nnot good old boys.'}, {'start': '171.838', 'end': '175.175', 'text': 'And I think that was the biggest\nchange. The other change'}, {'start': '175.175', 'end': '182.482', 'text': 'that we really focused on was\ndowntown, trying to pick up'}, {'start': '182.482', 'end': '188.989', 'text': 'some of the remains of the\ndowntown area, put together a'}, {'start': '188.989', 'end': '190.857', 'text': 'street pattern, a\nsidewalk pattern.'}, {'start': '191.658', 'end': '196.496', 'text': 'Tim mentioned the bollards.\nHe called it "Bollard M" one'}, {'start': '196.496', 'end': '201.268', 'text': 'time. In any event, there was\nan effort put together to'}, {'start': '201.268', 'end': '207.274', 'text': 'renovate the downtown. And\nI think that was a big plus.'}, {'start': '207.274', 'end': '212.112', 'text': 'The other big plus as far\nas planning goes, I think we'}, {'start': '212.112', 'end': '218.385', 'text': 'instigated a neighborhood\nprocess. Or generally in the'}, {'start': '218.385', 'end': '223.457', 'text': 'past, it was planning the\ncity as a whole. We planned'}, {'start': '223.457', 'end': '226.426', 'text': 'neighbor by neighborhood, 21'}, {'start': '226.426', 'end': '228.728', 'text': "neighborhoods. I think\nthere's a lot more now."}, {'start': '229.596', 'end': '233.733', 'text': 'But it certainly was a good step\nin the right direction and'}, {'start': '233.733', 'end': '235.302', 'text': "it's been followed\nthrough since then."}, {'start': '237.304', 'end': '240.874', 'text': 'I want to just call out to the\naudience, I think when you'}, {'start': '240.874', 'end': '243.643', 'text': "listen to these three talk,\nyou'll see these themes where"}, {'start': '243.643', 'end': '247.614', 'text': 'something that Mayor Hertz did\nwas changed by Mayor Douglas'}, {'start': '247.614', 'end': '249.749', 'text': 'and then was added\nto by Mayor Asmundson.'}, {'start': '250.117', 'end': '253.153', 'text': "And it's interesting to see\nfrom this start, what do we"}, {'start': '253.153', 'end': '254.554', 'text': "have today? So I\nthink you'll hear"}, {'start': '254.554', 'end': '255.922', 'text': 'that throughout the\nevening tonight.'}, {'start': '256.490', 'end': '261.628', 'text': 'Okay, Tim Douglas, Mayor\nDouglas, 1984 to 1995. You got'}, {'start': '261.628', 'end': '265.832', 'text': 'Reagan. Nelson Mandela was\nreleased after 27 years in'}, {'start': '265.832', 'end': '269.669', 'text': 'prison, the fall of the Berlin\nWall, the collapse of the'}, {'start': '269.669', 'end': '273.006', 'text': 'Soviet Union, the LA\nriots, the Simpsons,'}, {'start': '273.807', 'end': '276.576', 'text': 'and the Americans\nDisability Act was passed.'}, {'start': '277.310', 'end': '280.080', 'text': 'And then what was happening in\nBellingham during your term,'}, {'start': '280.280', 'end': '282.015', 'text': 'and then you could\ncertainly add to'}, {'start': '282.015', 'end': '287.420', 'text': 'these comments, is\nthat let me back here.'}, {'start': '288.488', 'end': '292.692', 'text': 'Environmental stewardship,\nmore urban planning, a lot of'}, {'start': '292.692', 'end': '297.097', 'text': 'civil engagement and community\nbuilding, and the beginning'}, {'start': '297.097', 'end': '300.167', 'text': 'of housing and housing\naffordability issues'}, {'start': '300.167', 'end': '302.269', 'text': 'in Bellingham. Does\nthat resonate with you?'}, {'start': '303.970', 'end': '307.007', 'text': 'Tim gets credit for all\nof those things except the'}, {'start': '307.007', 'end': '311.111', 'text': 'Simpsons. He personally brought\ndown the Berlin Wall.'}, {'start': '315.615', 'end': '319.686', 'text': "Yes. Thank you.\nIt's always nice to"}, {'start': '319.686', 'end': '321.688', 'text': 'be ensconced between\ntwo comedians.'}, {'start': '323.356', 'end': '326.126', 'text': "I'll try to add some\ninfo too. You know,"}, {'start': '326.126', 'end': '327.360', 'text': 'one of the things'}, {'start': '327.360', 'end': '330.564', 'text': 'that really struck\nme as I was thinking'}, {'start': '330.564', 'end': '332.199', 'text': 'back on what really'}, {'start': '332.199', 'end': '335.335', 'text': 'happened that was\nreally significant'}, {'start': '335.335', 'end': '336.903', 'text': 'in the time I was'}, {'start': '336.903', 'end': '339.139', 'text': 'mayor, and I could\ntell you one of the'}, {'start': '339.139', 'end': '340.373', 'text': 'most exciting things'}, {'start': '340.373', 'end': '341.541', 'text': 'for me personally as I look'}, {'start': '341.541', 'end': '346.479', 'text': 'back is what we\ndid to attract the'}, {'start': '347.314', 'end': '352.052', 'text': 'relocation of the Alaska\nMarine Highway system to'}, {'start': '352.052', 'end': '356.256', 'text': 'Bellingham. And that\nwas the first time'}, {'start': '356.256', 'end': '358.425', 'text': 'that I can remember'}, {'start': '358.425', 'end': '360.827', 'text': 'in our life in\nBellingham, where the'}, {'start': '360.827', 'end': '362.229', 'text': 'community has really'}, {'start': '362.229', 'end': '364.998', 'text': 'pulled together\naround a sort of a'}, {'start': '364.998', 'end': '366.700', 'text': 'common commitment to'}, {'start': '366.700', 'end': '369.369', 'text': 'something and\nreally worked it.'}, {'start': '369.369', 'end': '374.507', 'text': 'We had Ken and David\nCyree before I came'}, {'start': '374.507', 'end': '376.943', 'text': 'on had worked on a'}, {'start': '376.943', 'end': '379.779', 'text': 'sort of a strategy for\neconomic development'}, {'start': '379.779', 'end': '380.847', 'text': 'because we were'}, {'start': '380.847', 'end': '383.850', 'text': 'still in the world\nto hurt financially.'}, {'start': '383.850', 'end': '385.252', 'text': 'It was a horrible'}, {'start': '385.252', 'end': '387.554', 'text': "time, much worse\nthan anything we've"}, {'start': '387.554', 'end': '389.289', 'text': 'experienced that I\ncan remember since.'}, {'start': '389.289', 'end': '393.627', 'text': 'But anyway, one of\nthe things that this'}, {'start': '393.627', 'end': '395.729', 'text': 'contractor came up'}, {'start': '395.729', 'end': '397.931', 'text': 'with his recommendations\nto us is look at'}, {'start': '397.931', 'end': '399.933', 'text': 'your own history.'}, {'start': '399.933', 'end': '405.205', 'text': 'Bellingham has been\nstrongly connected'}, {'start': '405.205', 'end': '407.974', 'text': 'with the area north'}, {'start': '407.974', 'end': '411.044', 'text': 'but particularly\nup into Alaska.'}, {'start': '411.278', 'end': '414.047', 'text': 'And there is a long\nhistory of Bellingham'}, {'start': '414.047', 'end': '415.215', 'text': 'with Alaska from'}, {'start': '415.215', 'end': '417.284', 'text': 'fisheries, high\nseed fisheries to'}, {'start': '417.284', 'end': '418.485', 'text': 'all sorts of other'}, {'start': '418.485', 'end': '421.388', 'text': 'things, dossing construction\nand others had done projects'}, {'start': '421.388', 'end': '423.623', 'text': 'up there, Haskell,\nright, with the'}, {'start': '423.623', 'end': '425.292', 'text': 'refinery business stuff.'}, {'start': '425.292', 'end': '429.195', 'text': 'So anyway, they\nsaid, look to your'}, {'start': '429.195', 'end': '432.065', 'text': 'strengths. So look north'}, {'start': '432.065', 'end': '435.335', 'text': 'and realize that you are not\njust the end of the United'}, {'start': '435.335', 'end': '439.139', 'text': 'States up here, you are on a\nmajor freeway going between'}, {'start': '439.139', 'end': '442.275', 'text': 'two major cities,\nSeattle and Vancouver.'}, {'start': '442.275', 'end': '444.711', 'text': 'And so you should\nthink about that as'}, {'start': '444.711', 'end': '446.413', 'text': 'number one and two,'}, {'start': '446.413', 'end': '448.748', 'text': 'think what you could do with\nAlaska. And right at that'}, {'start': '448.748', 'end': '453.320', 'text': 'time, the Alaska\nMarine Highway System'}, {'start': '453.320', 'end': '455.855', 'text': 'was still ending its'}, {'start': '455.855', 'end': '459.292', 'text': 'southern terminus\nwas in Seattle.'}, {'start': '459.292', 'end': '461.594', 'text': 'And we went down\nthere. We worked'}, {'start': '461.594', 'end': '463.296', 'text': 'really closely with the'}, {'start': '463.296', 'end': '467.934', 'text': 'port of Bellingham, the\ncounty, the city, private'}, {'start': '467.934', 'end': '470.837', 'text': 'enterprise, citizens\nand everybody. And'}, {'start': '470.837', 'end': '472.172', 'text': 'we said, yeah, we'}, {'start': '472.172', 'end': '473.306', 'text': 'should do something\nabout this.'}, {'start': '473.306', 'end': '477.677', 'text': 'I remember going\ndown and seeing what'}, {'start': '477.677', 'end': '480.380', 'text': 'they had in Seattle.'}, {'start': '480.380', 'end': '483.750', 'text': 'And my God, it was\nlike nothing. It was'}, {'start': '483.750', 'end': '485.318', 'text': 'such a small fish'}, {'start': '485.318', 'end': '488.455', 'text': 'in a big pond that they\ncould care less down there.'}, {'start': '488.722', 'end': '492.125', 'text': 'And it showed there was\none tattered little posting'}, {'start': '492.125', 'end': '494.894', 'text': 'somewhere about\nwhere you could get'}, {'start': '494.894', 'end': '496.629', 'text': 'parking near that, as'}, {'start': '496.629', 'end': '499.032', 'text': "if it didn't make any\ndifference at all."}, {'start': '499.632', 'end': '504.104', 'text': 'And so we put together\nthis film or this'}, {'start': '504.104', 'end': '506.005', 'text': 'video and played'}, {'start': '506.005', 'end': '508.241', 'text': 'it, which really\nplayed up the strengths'}, {'start': '508.241', 'end': '509.242', 'text': 'of Bellingham. At'}, {'start': '509.242', 'end': '511.244', 'text': 'that time, the\nmall had been open.'}, {'start': '511.244', 'end': '516.082', 'text': 'So we had a major retailing\ncenter. And so we did this'}, {'start': '516.082', 'end': '518.651', 'text': 'thing that showed\nthat we took up to'}, {'start': '518.651', 'end': '520.086', 'text': 'Southeast Alaska to'}, {'start': '520.086', 'end': '522.655', 'text': 'show them and talk\nto their legislators'}, {'start': '522.655', 'end': '523.823', 'text': 'about the idea of'}, {'start': '523.823', 'end': '525.325', 'text': 'relocating because\nit was time for'}, {'start': '525.325', 'end': '526.926', 'text': 'the contract in\nin Seattle anyway.'}, {'start': '527.260', 'end': '531.197', 'text': 'And I remember we\nended after all sorts'}, {'start': '531.197', 'end': '534.000', 'text': 'of things we said.'}, {'start': '534.000', 'end': '537.103', 'text': 'And if the Marine Highway\ncontinues to terminate in'}, {'start': '537.103', 'end': '539.305', 'text': "Seattle, here's\nwhat you will look"}, {'start': '539.305', 'end': '541.041', 'text': 'at when you arrive.'}, {'start': '541.041', 'end': '544.444', 'text': 'And it was just, just\nhorrible traffic.'}, {'start': '544.444', 'end': '546.012', 'text': 'I mean, as far as'}, {'start': '546.012', 'end': '549.883', 'text': 'you could go and way up the\nfreeway. And then we said,'}, {'start': '549.883', 'end': '552.252', 'text': "well, on the other\nhand, here's Bellingham."}, {'start': '552.252', 'end': '556.723', 'text': 'And of course, we had this\nmall and you could just shop'}, {'start': '556.723', 'end': '558.758', 'text': 'here. You had no\nreason to have to go'}, {'start': '558.758', 'end': '561.294', 'text': 'down to that mess in\nSeattle and stuff.'}, {'start': '561.961', 'end': '567.367', 'text': 'And we expected to get about\n40,000 passengers a year'}, {'start': '567.367', 'end': '569.102', 'text': 'coming. And then,\nof course, the port'}, {'start': '569.102', 'end': '570.103', 'text': 'built that beautiful'}, {'start': '570.103', 'end': '573.706', 'text': 'building, the cruise\nterminal, which is'}, {'start': '573.706', 'end': '577.277', 'text': 'still a real great\narchitectural landmark here.'}, {'start': '577.277', 'end': '579.846', 'text': 'And the main thing\nI will have to say'}, {'start': '579.846', 'end': '581.281', 'text': 'to those of you from'}, {'start': '581.281', 'end': '583.883', 'text': 'the South Side in\nthis audience is South'}, {'start': '583.883', 'end': '586.586', 'text': 'Side really pushed\nback on that effort.'}, {'start': '586.920', 'end': '589.389', 'text': 'They did not want to\nhave that down here'}, {'start': '589.389', 'end': '590.557', 'text': 'because they said,'}, {'start': '590.557', 'end': '594.594', 'text': 'oh, that just be\ncars parked forever.'}, {'start': '594.794', 'end': '596.496', 'text': "We'll never be able\nto get to and from."}, {'start': '596.963', 'end': '599.065', 'text': "Well, we said, no,\nwe don't think so."}, {'start': '599.065', 'end': '600.333', 'text': 'And you know, when it'}, {'start': '600.333', 'end': '602.469', 'text': 'was over, it was if\nthey had never said'}, {'start': '602.469', 'end': '605.305', 'text': 'that because none of\nthat ever transpired.'}, {'start': '605.305', 'end': '608.942', 'text': "So that was just an example.\nThe main thing I'm trying to"}, {'start': '608.942', 'end': '611.511', 'text': 'say, though, is\nBellingham through'}, {'start': '611.511', 'end': '613.346', 'text': 'that really awakened to'}, {'start': '613.346', 'end': '616.816', 'text': 'the fact if you want to do\nsomething and you put your'}, {'start': '616.816', 'end': '619.686', 'text': 'effort into it, you can\naccomplish something.'}, {'start': '619.953', 'end': '621.754', 'text': 'And people in Bellingham\nlooked at each'}, {'start': '621.754', 'end': '622.655', 'text': 'other and said, oh,'}, {'start': '622.655', 'end': '626.593', 'text': 'my gosh, we never thought we\ncould do anything like that.'}, {'start': '626.593', 'end': '630.163', 'text': 'It was just like a huge eye\nopener and changed a lot of'}, {'start': '630.163', 'end': '632.298', 'text': "things. So that's\nmy comments."}, {'start': '632.298', 'end': '635.468', 'text': 'Great. Well, thank\nyou. Okay. Mayor'}, {'start': '635.468', 'end': '640.373', 'text': 'Asmussen. So your\nterm was 1996 to 2006.'}, {'start': '641.307', 'end': '643.409', 'text': 'We had the Good\nFriday Agreement and'}, {'start': '643.409', 'end': '644.477', 'text': 'peace in Northern'}, {'start': '644.477', 'end': '648.615', 'text': 'Ireland. The British\nreturned Hong Kong to China.'}, {'start': '649.115', 'end': '651.885', 'text': 'We had the U.S. war\nin Iraq to Al Saddam'}, {'start': '651.885', 'end': '653.219', 'text': 'Hussein. Hurricane'}, {'start': '653.219', 'end': '655.288', 'text': 'Katrina. This\nwas not a great'}, {'start': '655.288', 'end': '657.223', 'text': 'period. Sorry\nabout that, Mayor.'}, {'start': '657.457', 'end': '661.060', 'text': '911. We did get Wi\n-Fi in Facebook.'}, {'start': '661.060', 'end': '663.329', 'text': 'That was during those'}, {'start': '663.329', 'end': '666.232', 'text': 'were the historical\nevents during your tenure.'}, {'start': '667.133', 'end': '669.168', 'text': 'And then as far as the city.'}, {'start': '674.507', 'end': '677.343', 'text': 'Your leadership\nwas known for the'}, {'start': '677.343', 'end': '679.212', 'text': 'waterfront because GP'}, {'start': '679.212', 'end': '680.947', 'text': 'closed down, opening\nup opportunities'}, {'start': '680.947', 'end': '682.715', 'text': 'to the waterfront.'}, {'start': '682.715', 'end': '685.518', 'text': 'Environmental\nleadership, green power.'}, {'start': '685.518', 'end': '686.986', 'text': 'You had the Olympic'}, {'start': '686.986', 'end': '689.923', 'text': 'pipeline response,\nwhich was a big part'}, {'start': '689.923', 'end': '692.091', 'text': 'of your term terms.'}, {'start': '692.091', 'end': '695.328', 'text': 'And you were also known for\ncommunity forums, public'}, {'start': '695.328', 'end': '697.830', 'text': 'meetings and public\nand transparency in'}, {'start': '697.830', 'end': '699.098', 'text': 'government, which I'}, {'start': '699.098', 'end': '701.234', 'text': 'like to attribute to\nyour attorney background.'}, {'start': '702.735', 'end': '704.304', 'text': "I think that that's\nprobably right. I"}, {'start': '704.304', 'end': '705.171', 'text': "hadn't thought of it"}, {'start': '705.171', 'end': '706.673', 'text': "that way. But it was\nthat you're probably"}, {'start': '706.673', 'end': '708.274', 'text': 'right, Kirsten.'}, {'start': '708.274', 'end': '712.278', 'text': "Now, for everyone that's\nhere, I need to not answer"}, {'start': '712.278', 'end': '716.115', 'text': "anything she said because\nI'm closer to have being an"}, {'start': '716.115', 'end': '719.052', 'text': 'elected official than\nthese gentlemen are.'}, {'start': '721.220', 'end': '725.358', 'text': 'Ken Hertz brought Bellingham\ninto the modern era without'}, {'start': '725.358', 'end': '729.095', 'text': "question. Bellingham.\nIt's changed"}, {'start': '729.095', 'end': '731.297', 'text': 'night and day. I was\nborn in Bellingham.'}, {'start': '731.297', 'end': '735.034', 'text': 'I grew up. I knew all those\ngood old boys who ruined'}, {'start': '735.034', 'end': '739.372', 'text': 'everything who I mean,\nJohn Westford was'}, {'start': '739.372', 'end': '742.141', 'text': 'a mayor for two terms\nwhen I was a kid.'}, {'start': '742.141', 'end': '747.046', 'text': "He was my cousin.\nBellingham's population"}, {'start': '747.046', 'end': '748.982', 'text': 'from the time I'}, {'start': '748.982', 'end': '750.783', 'text': 'was born till I\ngraduated from high'}, {'start': '750.783', 'end': '752.285', 'text': "school probably\ndidn't change by 100."}, {'start': '752.285', 'end': '755.355', 'text': 'It was a dirty\nlittle mill town. I'}, {'start': '755.355', 'end': '757.457', 'text': 'remember when I was in'}, {'start': '757.457', 'end': '761.394', 'text': 'college being mortified\nreading in Time'}, {'start': '761.394', 'end': '763.396', 'text': 'magazine an article'}, {'start': '763.396', 'end': '766.799', 'text': 'about the new\nClean Water Act.'}, {'start': '767.734', 'end': '770.503', 'text': 'And here was a picture\nof Bellingham Bay'}, {'start': '770.503', 'end': '771.671', 'text': 'as an example of'}, {'start': '771.671', 'end': '776.476', 'text': 'the horrors of\npollution prior to the'}, {'start': '776.476', 'end': '778.277', 'text': 'adoption of the Federal\nClean Water Act.'}, {'start': '778.277', 'end': '781.981', 'text': 'I was nobody knew\nany Bellingham or'}, {'start': '781.981', 'end': '783.983', 'text': 'where I worked and'}, {'start': '783.983', 'end': '785.652', 'text': 'stuff, but I\nwas embarrassed.'}, {'start': '787.620', 'end': '792.325', 'text': 'Ken brought Bellingham into\nthe modern era. No question.'}, {'start': '792.759', 'end': '795.928', 'text': "Night and day. It's\nlike an entirely"}, {'start': '795.928', 'end': '799.298', 'text': "different community\nfollowed Ken's leadership."}, {'start': '799.298', 'end': '802.268', 'text': 'He was a very,\nvery strong leader.'}, {'start': '803.302', 'end': '804.804', 'text': 'Some people said\nhe was an asshole.'}, {'start': '808.341', 'end': '812.445', 'text': "Nowadays, that's okay\nto say. I've just"}, {'start': '812.445', 'end': '814.347', 'text': 'got but those are'}, {'start': '814.347', 'end': '817.717', 'text': "only people who\ndidn't particularly"}, {'start': '817.717', 'end': '819.619', 'text': 'appreciate the fact'}, {'start': '819.619', 'end': '822.655', 'text': 'that the good old boys were\nnot just appointing their'}, {'start': '822.655', 'end': '825.124', 'text': 'brother in laws and\ntheir sons, etc.'}, {'start': '829.862', 'end': '832.365', 'text': "They weren't super\nlucrative, but it"}, {'start': '832.365', 'end': '834.300', 'text': 'was still abysmal.'}, {'start': '834.300', 'end': '839.338', 'text': 'Then Tim came along\nand Tim was a wonderful'}, {'start': '839.338', 'end': '841.207', 'text': 'steward and Ken'}, {'start': '841.207', 'end': '845.244', 'text': 'created the neighborhood\nsystem in Bellingham.'}, {'start': '846.245', 'end': '851.684', 'text': 'Tim nurtured it and fostered\nit throughout the time he'}, {'start': '851.684', 'end': '854.954', 'text': 'served as mayor. Tim\nworked so well with'}, {'start': '854.954', 'end': '856.989', 'text': 'the neighborhoods.'}, {'start': '856.989', 'end': '860.993', 'text': 'And that I think\nthat between Ken and'}, {'start': '860.993', 'end': '862.929', 'text': 'Tim for the first'}, {'start': '862.929', 'end': '865.965', 'text': 'time, just average\ncitizens felt they'}, {'start': '865.965', 'end': '867.667', 'text': 'really, really had a'}, {'start': '867.667', 'end': '871.003', 'text': 'direct voice in what was\ngoing to happen in the city.'}, {'start': '872.271', 'end': '873.873', 'text': 'And then I came along.'}, {'start': '881.280', 'end': '887.253', 'text': "It's funny. Thinking about\nthe ferry terminal and going"}, {'start': '887.253', 'end': '890.523', 'text': 'back a little bit to\nthe old boy thing,'}, {'start': '890.523', 'end': '892.225', 'text': 'I lived with Alaska'}, {'start': '892.225', 'end': '896.362', 'text': 'Ferry as being a part of my\nlife for probably 20 years'}, {'start': '896.362', 'end': '899.298', 'text': 'because my dad was a port\ncommissioner for 35 years.'}, {'start': '899.298', 'end': '901.667', 'text': 'And he was a port\ncommissioner when that'}, {'start': '901.667', 'end': '902.769', 'text': 'beautiful building'}, {'start': '902.769', 'end': '905.104', 'text': 'was built. It was near\nthe end of his term.'}, {'start': '905.538', 'end': '907.940', 'text': 'And I remember him talking\nabout all the work that was'}, {'start': '907.940', 'end': '909.976', 'text': 'being done and the\nintergovernmental'}, {'start': '909.976', 'end': '911.110', 'text': 'work that was being'}, {'start': '911.110', 'end': '913.513', 'text': 'done in order to have\nthat become a part'}, {'start': '913.513', 'end': '915.148', 'text': 'of the community.'}, {'start': '915.148', 'end': '918.818', 'text': "And it was a remarkable\ntime. The other thing that's"}, {'start': '918.818', 'end': '920.920', 'text': 'remarkable is the change in'}, {'start': '920.920', 'end': '923.256', 'text': 'Bellingham since Ken\nwas originally elected.'}, {'start': '924.290', 'end': '926.659', 'text': 'In fact, the fact\nthat Ken was elected'}, {'start': '926.659', 'end': '927.994', 'text': 'is kind of a miracle'}, {'start': '927.994', 'end': '929.862', 'text': 'because as I said,\nBellingham was a'}, {'start': '929.862', 'end': '931.097', 'text': 'dirty little mill town'}, {'start': '931.097', 'end': '935.101', 'text': 'and it was very conservative\nin its politics.'}, {'start': '935.735', 'end': '940.206', 'text': 'And it took a really\ncanny person to focus'}, {'start': '940.206', 'end': '942.008', 'text': 'on what could be'}, {'start': '942.008', 'end': '945.278', 'text': 'without scaring\npeople politically'}, {'start': '945.278', 'end': '947.280', 'text': 'and electing somebody\nreally competent.'}, {'start': '948.281', 'end': '952.652', 'text': 'Tim was an organizer\nwho managed to reach'}, {'start': '952.652', 'end': '954.587', 'text': 'through the using'}, {'start': '954.587', 'end': '958.624', 'text': 'his organizational\nskills to work with'}, {'start': '958.624', 'end': '960.359', 'text': 'the neighborhoods and\ncarry that forward.'}, {'start': '961.260', 'end': '963.996', 'text': 'When I ran, it\nwas still a 50-50'}, {'start': '963.996', 'end': '966.299', 'text': 'town. Really, it was\na very 50-50 town.'}, {'start': '966.299', 'end': '969.535', 'text': 'In fact, when I ran\nthe first term, first'}, {'start': '969.535', 'end': '970.970', 'text': 'time, my opponent'}, {'start': '970.970', 'end': '974.240', 'text': 'was the operator\nof a toy store who'}, {'start': '974.240', 'end': '976.209', 'text': 'everybody thought he'}, {'start': '976.209', 'end': '978.144', 'text': 'was a sure thing that\nhe was going to win.'}, {'start': '978.144', 'end': '980.279', 'text': 'He had all the money. Lynn\nCarpenter was the finance'}, {'start': '980.279', 'end': '985.318', 'text': 'director. She supported him.\nShe was a horror. She was.'}, {'start': '985.318', 'end': '992.792', 'text': "And it didn't turn out\nthat way. I finally"}, {'start': '992.792', 'end': '996.362', 'text': 'learned how to run a\ncampaign. Well, I did.'}, {'start': '996.362', 'end': '1001.534', 'text': 'And Joy Keenan taught me\nhow to campaign. And I won.'}, {'start': '1003.669', 'end': '1006.706', 'text': 'And the politics of\nBellingham started'}, {'start': '1006.706', 'end': '1008.341', 'text': 'changing. I mean,'}, {'start': '1008.341', 'end': '1009.575', 'text': "when I say the\npolitics, they didn't"}, {'start': '1009.575', 'end': '1010.309', 'text': 'change because of me.'}, {'start': '1010.309', 'end': '1012.879', 'text': 'The demographics of\nBellingham started'}, {'start': '1012.879', 'end': '1014.013', 'text': 'changing and the'}, {'start': '1014.013', 'end': '1017.383', 'text': 'politics changed along with\nthem to the point that, for'}, {'start': '1017.383', 'end': '1022.088', 'text': 'example, a moderate\nRepublican or a'}, {'start': '1022.088', 'end': '1025.324', 'text': 'moderate Democrat would'}, {'start': '1025.324', 'end': '1027.193', 'text': 'have a hard time\ngetting elected'}, {'start': '1027.193', 'end': '1031.063', 'text': 'as mayor in\nBellingham right now.'}, {'start': '1031.597', 'end': '1032.331', 'text': 'Bellingham has moved'}, {'start': '1032.331', 'end': '1037.570', 'text': 'tremendously to the,\nquote, left since then.'}, {'start': '1040.706', 'end': '1044.877', 'text': "But when you're the mayor,\nwell, the things that are"}, {'start': '1044.877', 'end': '1047.747', 'text': 'happening around in\nthe outside world,'}, {'start': '1047.747', 'end': '1049.348', 'text': 'the larger world, as'}, {'start': '1049.348', 'end': '1053.452', 'text': 'you described,\nKristen, are important.'}, {'start': '1054.854', 'end': '1058.524', 'text': "They're not issue number one\nfor the mayor. The mayor is"}, {'start': '1058.524', 'end': '1060.226', 'text': 'focused on what\nare the issues'}, {'start': '1060.226', 'end': '1063.262', 'text': 'affecting my community\nat this time?'}, {'start': '1063.262', 'end': '1066.699', 'text': 'What are our citizens?\nWhat do we want for'}, {'start': '1066.699', 'end': '1068.067', 'text': 'our community to'}, {'start': '1068.067', 'end': '1070.736', 'text': "be? Because this\nis where it's at"}, {'start': '1070.736', 'end': '1072.939', 'text': "the local. It's\nalways driven me nuts."}, {'start': '1072.939', 'end': '1075.308', 'text': 'People get excited\nabout presidential'}, {'start': '1075.308', 'end': '1076.642', 'text': 'elections and almost'}, {'start': '1076.642', 'end': '1081.447', 'text': 'always until right now,\nwho you voted for in the'}, {'start': '1081.447', 'end': '1084.216', 'text': 'presidential election\nhad far less to'}, {'start': '1084.216', 'end': '1085.551', 'text': 'do with what your'}, {'start': '1085.551', 'end': '1087.587', 'text': 'life was going to\nbe like than who'}, {'start': '1087.587', 'end': '1089.288', 'text': 'you voted for in\nyour local elections.'}, {'start': '1089.288', 'end': '1092.892', 'text': "That's where the\nimpact was going to"}, {'start': '1092.892', 'end': '1094.994', 'text': 'be. 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Anyway,\nthe politics changed'}, {'start': '1194.093', 'end': '1197.730', 'text': 'and the economic\nexchange so dramatically.'}, {'start': '1199.265', 'end': '1201.934', 'text': 'When Tim was mayor,\nI happened to own'}, {'start': '1201.934', 'end': '1203.235', 'text': 'a piece of rental'}, {'start': '1203.235', 'end': '1206.939', 'text': 'property that I purchased\nfrom another cousin.'}, {'start': '1209.408', 'end': '1213.712', 'text': "I couldn't rent a\nthree bedroom apartment"}, {'start': '1213.712', 'end': '1215.614', 'text': 'in a triplex that'}, {'start': '1215.614', 'end': '1219.885', 'text': 'had a formal dining\nroom, a covered deck,'}, {'start': '1222.755', 'end': '1225.391', 'text': 'maybe two or three bathrooms\nfor one hundred and thirty'}, {'start': '1225.391', 'end': '1227.793', 'text': 'five dollars a month\nand get a six month'}, {'start': '1227.793', 'end': '1232.465', 'text': "lease without giving\na free month's rent."}, {'start': '1233.933', 'end': '1236.502', 'text': 'Yeah, Bellingham was\nin the toilet. That'}, {'start': '1236.502', 'end': '1237.603', 'text': 'was when Tim was'}, {'start': '1237.603', 'end': '1238.771', 'text': "married. It wasn't his fault"}, {'start': '1238.771', 'end': '1243.242', 'text': 'at all. I mean,\nit was. It was.'}, {'start': '1243.476', 'end': '1247.313', 'text': 'Ballers stuff in the toilet.\nBallers. Clean up your act.'}, {'start': '1247.546', 'end': '1250.049', 'text': 'What happened, I think\nwhat I think that'}, {'start': '1250.049', 'end': '1251.217', 'text': 'there were several'}, {'start': '1251.217', 'end': '1252.918', 'text': 'incremental things\nthat happened.'}, {'start': '1253.319', 'end': '1256.155', 'text': 'But I think the expo\nwas what brought'}, {'start': '1256.155', 'end': '1257.823', 'text': 'people from the south'}, {'start': '1257.823', 'end': '1260.860', 'text': 'through Bellingham.\nAnd they saw, oh,'}, {'start': '1260.860', 'end': '1262.595', 'text': "there's another town"}, {'start': '1262.595', 'end': '1265.097', 'text': 'up there because when we\nwould deal with the state'}, {'start': '1265.097', 'end': '1267.733', 'text': 'legislature, I\nguarantee you.'}, {'start': '1268.267', 'end': '1271.337', 'text': 'That when I started,\nthe legislators'}, {'start': '1271.337', 'end': '1272.972', 'text': 'believed the state'}, {'start': '1272.972', 'end': '1276.475', 'text': 'stopped at Everett. There\nwas no attention paid to'}, {'start': '1276.475', 'end': '1277.777', 'text': 'Bellingham. There\nwas no money'}, {'start': '1277.777', 'end': '1279.278', 'text': 'spent on Bellingham,\net cetera.'}, {'start': '1279.678', 'end': '1281.747', 'text': 'I took too much\ntime. The world'}, {'start': '1281.747', 'end': '1284.917', 'text': 'is the world has\nchanged a lot now.'}, {'start': '1285.985', 'end': '1289.688', 'text': 'The irony is that we get to\ntalk about these are really'}, {'start': '1289.688', 'end': '1292.324', 'text': "good old days. And\nwe had we've had"}, {'start': '1292.324', 'end': '1293.993', 'text': 'some really wonderful'}, {'start': '1293.993', 'end': '1296.295', 'text': "mayors and I'm sitting\nwith two of them."}, {'start': '1296.295', 'end': '1300.799', 'text': "Well, I'm sitting with them\nand and we have a wonderful"}, {'start': '1300.799', 'end': '1307.373', 'text': 'mayor right now. But none of\nthe things that are good in'}, {'start': '1307.373', 'end': '1309.308', 'text': 'Bellingham happened\nby accident.'}, {'start': '1309.308', 'end': '1314.246', 'text': 'The reason there are\nsidewalks and and'}, {'start': '1314.246', 'end': '1316.849', 'text': 'and curbs is in the'}, {'start': '1316.849', 'end': '1319.852', 'text': 'between Cornwall\nAvenue and the'}, {'start': '1319.852', 'end': '1322.354', 'text': 'Sunnyland neighborhood\nis because Ken hurts.'}, {'start': '1322.354', 'end': '1325.191', 'text': 'Use community\ndevelopment block grant'}, {'start': '1325.191', 'end': '1326.725', 'text': 'money to make it so'}, {'start': '1326.725', 'end': '1330.863', 'text': 'the reason the number\none bikeable and walkable'}, {'start': '1330.863', 'end': '1332.898', 'text': 'neighborhood in all\nof Bellingham is the'}, {'start': '1332.898', 'end': '1333.866', 'text': 'Leonard streets is'}, {'start': '1333.866', 'end': '1337.303', 'text': 'because Ken put in the one\nway street grid system.'}, {'start': '1337.303', 'end': '1341.640', 'text': "And, you know, and it's not\nlike I can't find similar"}, {'start': '1341.640', 'end': '1344.577', 'text': 'things for nothing\nhappens by accident.'}, {'start': '1345.911', 'end': '1347.413', 'text': 'The other thing I\nsaid at the beginning'}, {'start': '1347.413', 'end': '1348.080', 'text': 'is how important'}, {'start': '1348.080', 'end': '1350.583', 'text': 'local elections are\ncompared to others.'}, {'start': '1350.583', 'end': '1351.817', 'text': 'Well, Donald Trump'}, {'start': '1351.817', 'end': '1355.254', 'text': 'is proving the lie\nto what I just said.'}, {'start': '1355.254', 'end': '1358.591', 'text': 'There are times\nwhen a national'}, {'start': '1358.591', 'end': '1360.859', 'text': 'election is of earth'}, {'start': '1360.859', 'end': '1363.128', 'text': 'shattering and\nearth really earth'}, {'start': '1363.128', 'end': '1365.598', 'text': 'shattering consequence.'}, {'start': '1365.598', 'end': '1367.066', 'text': "But I'm glad we\ncan talk about"}, {'start': '1367.066', 'end': '1370.035', 'text': 'Bellingham. But he is\nthe existential threat.'}, {'start': '1370.336', 'end': '1373.606', 'text': 'We all face. Thank\nyou, Mark. Thank'}, {'start': '1373.606', 'end': '1375.541', 'text': 'you very much. So we'}, {'start': '1375.541', 'end': '1377.443', 'text': "have some questions because\nwe're the League of Women"}, {'start': '1377.443', 'end': '1378.777', 'text': 'Voters. We always\nhave questions.'}, {'start': '1379.511', 'end': '1382.348', 'text': 'And they are focused on the\nthing that we love, which is'}, {'start': '1382.348', 'end': '1383.916', 'text': 'the thing that you\nall have committed'}, {'start': '1383.916', 'end': '1384.750', 'text': 'a big chunk of your'}, {'start': '1384.750', 'end': '1388.153', 'text': 'lives to, which is\ncivic engagement,'}, {'start': '1388.153', 'end': '1390.222', 'text': 'government, etc, etc.'}, {'start': '1390.222', 'end': '1393.125', 'text': "So I'm going to start\nout and we always"}, {'start': '1393.125', 'end': '1394.460', 'text': 'say in our forums'}, {'start': '1394.460', 'end': '1396.695', 'text': 'for elections, our\ncandidate forums,'}, {'start': '1396.695', 'end': '1398.063', 'text': 'thank you for running'}, {'start': '1398.063', 'end': '1400.032', 'text': "for office because\nwe know that it's"}, {'start': '1400.032', 'end': '1402.534', 'text': 'really hard work and\nreally challenging.'}, {'start': '1403.369', 'end': '1406.972', 'text': 'So my first question is this\nis about running for office'}, {'start': '1406.972', 'end': '1408.240', 'text': "and I'm going to\nstart with you, Mark."}, {'start': '1410.276', 'end': '1414.213', 'text': "OK, OK, you're ready to go.\nI'm ready to go. OK. How did"}, {'start': '1414.213', 'end': '1417.750', 'text': 'you decide to run\nfor office? And if'}, {'start': '1417.750', 'end': '1419.618', 'text': 'you were back then'}, {'start': '1419.618', 'end': '1422.388', 'text': 'knowing what you know now,\nwould you do it again?'}, {'start': '1423.289', 'end': '1426.325', 'text': "I'm really grateful that\nI did. I'm really, really"}, {'start': '1426.325', 'end': '1429.795', 'text': "grateful. It's the\nbest time in my life"}, {'start': '1429.795', 'end': '1431.463', 'text': 'was being doing is'}, {'start': '1431.463', 'end': '1433.999', 'text': 'well, my whole career\nwas public service.'}, {'start': '1433.999', 'end': '1437.403', 'text': 'I did nine years on the city\ncouncil. I did 11 years as'}, {'start': '1437.403', 'end': '1441.941', 'text': 'mayor. I retired. I resigned\na year early and to take the'}, {'start': '1441.941', 'end': '1444.376', 'text': 'job as director of\nthe Northwest Clean'}, {'start': '1444.376', 'end': '1445.644', 'text': 'Air Agency, where I'}, {'start': '1445.644', 'end': '1447.279', 'text': 'worked for the\nremainder of my career.'}, {'start': '1448.280', 'end': '1450.249', 'text': 'I love my public\nservice career, but'}, {'start': '1450.249', 'end': '1451.350', 'text': 'it was my municipal'}, {'start': '1451.350', 'end': '1454.820', 'text': 'government service.\nIt was the greatest'}, {'start': '1454.820', 'end': '1456.488', 'text': 'campaigning is not'}, {'start': '1456.488', 'end': '1457.990', 'text': 'the most fun thing\nin the world.'}, {'start': '1457.990', 'end': '1459.925', 'text': 'What I like best\nabout campaigning was'}, {'start': '1459.925', 'end': '1460.959', 'text': 'doorbell, where you'}, {'start': '1460.959', 'end': '1463.829', 'text': 'got to talk one on one with\npeople. Now, a lot of people'}, {'start': '1463.829', 'end': '1465.597', 'text': "don't like to answer\ntheir door, but"}, {'start': '1465.597', 'end': '1466.598', 'text': 'the people that did'}, {'start': '1466.598', 'end': '1468.267', 'text': 'even the guy\nthat told me that'}, {'start': '1468.267', 'end': '1469.635', 'text': 'I was making the\ntown too nice.'}, {'start': '1470.169', 'end': '1473.972', 'text': 'I enjoyed talking to\nit. OK, so you ran'}, {'start': '1473.972', 'end': '1475.808', 'text': 'because I ran. Oh,'}, {'start': '1475.808', 'end': '1477.276', 'text': 'you just loved\nthe work. No. OK.'}, {'start': '1477.276', 'end': '1479.411', 'text': "You want to know\nwhy I ran. I've been"}, {'start': '1479.411', 'end': '1480.646', 'text': 'involved in politics'}, {'start': '1480.646', 'end': '1482.781', 'text': 'since I was 13 years old. I'}, {'start': '1482.781', 'end': '1485.851', 'text': 'was working on\ncampaigns in 1964.'}, {'start': '1486.652', 'end': '1489.955', 'text': 'OK. And I am a weirdo.\nAll right. I just'}, {'start': '1489.955', 'end': '1491.724', 'text': 'been fascinated.'}, {'start': '1491.724', 'end': '1494.126', 'text': "But it's all been\nmotivated by one."}, {'start': '1494.126', 'end': '1495.661', 'text': 'Why two premises. One'}, {'start': '1495.661', 'end': '1498.464', 'text': 'is more brains are\nbetter than fewer'}, {'start': '1498.464', 'end': '1499.965', 'text': 'and that people of'}, {'start': '1499.965', 'end': '1502.835', 'text': 'goodwill when they\nwork together, they'}, {'start': '1502.835', 'end': '1504.136', 'text': 'can come up with'}, {'start': '1504.136', 'end': '1507.239', 'text': 'solutions to virtually any\nproblem that they face.'}, {'start': '1507.806', 'end': '1510.409', 'text': 'And I that has\nbeen the motivating'}, {'start': '1510.409', 'end': '1512.244', 'text': 'principle of my my life'}, {'start': '1512.244', 'end': '1515.247', 'text': "and my public life. And\nit's what caused me to be"}, {'start': '1515.247', 'end': '1517.416', 'text': 'interested in politics as a'}, {'start': '1517.416', 'end': '1520.085', 'text': 'volunteer and politics\nas a candidate.'}, {'start': '1520.586', 'end': '1523.088', 'text': 'Thank you. Thank\nyou, Mayor. Mayor'}, {'start': '1523.088', 'end': '1525.591', 'text': 'Douglas, same question.'}, {'start': '1525.591', 'end': '1527.459', 'text': 'How did you decide\nto run for office'}, {'start': '1527.459', 'end': '1528.594', 'text': 'and would you knowing'}, {'start': '1528.594', 'end': '1531.029', 'text': 'what you know now,\nwould you do it again?'}, {'start': '1532.698', 'end': '1537.035', 'text': 'Well, let me start by saying\nif it were the year of the'}, {'start': '1537.035', 'end': '1541.373', 'text': 'pandemic, absolutely not. I\nfeel for any executive who'}, {'start': '1541.373', 'end': '1545.511', 'text': 'served during that time, it\nwas so far different from'}, {'start': '1545.511', 'end': '1547.679', 'text': 'anything any of us\nhave had to deal with.'}, {'start': '1548.280', 'end': '1551.850', 'text': 'I just feel for the\nwell, that all sorts'}, {'start': '1551.850', 'end': '1553.519', 'text': 'of things have evolved\nas part of that.'}, {'start': '1554.953', 'end': '1557.022', 'text': 'First of all, I think\nthis is just the'}, {'start': '1557.022', 'end': '1558.057', 'text': "greatest job. I've"}, {'start': '1558.057', 'end': '1559.858', 'text': 'done a lot of\ndifferent things, but'}, {'start': '1559.858', 'end': '1560.926', 'text': 'this has always been'}, {'start': '1560.926', 'end': '1564.530', 'text': "the thing that stimulates\nme. And I think it's partly"}, {'start': '1564.530', 'end': '1566.698', 'text': 'because when I was\na kid, my parents'}, {'start': '1566.698', 'end': '1568.300', 'text': 'really believed in\ncommunity building.'}, {'start': '1568.300', 'end': '1574.606', 'text': 'I was raised in Bellevue and\nthey helped build a place, a'}, {'start': '1574.606', 'end': '1578.710', 'text': 'log recreation building and\nstuff that the whole part of'}, {'start': '1578.710', 'end': '1580.679', 'text': 'the community used\nand stuff. And they'}, {'start': '1580.679', 'end': '1581.713', 'text': 'were they were just'}, {'start': '1581.713', 'end': '1583.282', 'text': 'very active and\nreally believed in.'}, {'start': '1583.282', 'end': '1586.118', 'text': 'They always set a\nmodel for me of you'}, {'start': '1586.118', 'end': '1587.719', 'text': 'really do stuff with'}, {'start': '1587.719', 'end': '1589.888', 'text': 'and for the community.\nThat is a lot of'}, {'start': '1589.888', 'end': '1591.390', 'text': 'what life is about.'}, {'start': '1591.390', 'end': '1593.759', 'text': "And I still believe\nthat. And it's one"}, {'start': '1593.759', 'end': '1594.960', 'text': 'of the things that'}, {'start': '1594.960', 'end': '1598.163', 'text': 'attracted me to run\nfor mayor because'}, {'start': '1598.163', 'end': '1599.832', 'text': 'I was in an era in'}, {'start': '1599.832', 'end': '1602.968', 'text': 'which being active\nin your neighborhood'}, {'start': '1602.968', 'end': '1604.436', 'text': 'was really one of'}, {'start': '1604.436', 'end': '1607.506', 'text': "the ways in which you even\nif you weren't intending to"}, {'start': '1607.506', 'end': '1609.241', 'text': 'start with and\nrunning for mayor or'}, {'start': '1609.241', 'end': '1612.277', 'text': 'even city council,\nit just happened.'}, {'start': '1612.978', 'end': '1615.247', 'text': 'Because people were\nso active and I'}, {'start': '1615.247', 'end': '1616.582', 'text': 'want to say a couple'}, {'start': '1616.582', 'end': '1620.352', 'text': 'things quickly about Ken\nbecause this reflects it.'}, {'start': '1621.286', 'end': '1624.256', 'text': 'Can when he put together\nthat comprehensive plan, our'}, {'start': '1624.256', 'end': '1625.757', 'text': 'really first true\ncomprehensive'}, {'start': '1625.757', 'end': '1626.625', 'text': 'plan that was the'}, {'start': '1626.625', 'end': '1627.659', 'text': 'neighborhood thing\nand everything.'}, {'start': '1628.627', 'end': '1631.864', 'text': "We had over I'm sure\nit was over 2000"}, {'start': '1631.864', 'end': '1633.699', 'text': 'people that went out'}, {'start': '1633.699', 'end': '1638.136', 'text': 'into their neighborhoods and\njust noted things they liked'}, {'start': '1638.136', 'end': '1639.605', 'text': 'and wanted to preserve and'}, {'start': '1639.605', 'end': '1641.340', 'text': 'things they felt\nneeded to be changed.'}, {'start': '1642.274', 'end': '1645.544', 'text': 'And that all got compiled\nand stuff. And then we ended'}, {'start': '1645.544', 'end': '1647.980', 'text': 'adopting a comp\nplan that took into'}, {'start': '1647.980', 'end': '1649.448', 'text': 'account all of that.'}, {'start': '1649.448', 'end': '1651.216', 'text': 'And that was sort\nof the blueprint for'}, {'start': '1651.216', 'end': '1652.117', 'text': 'a lot of the stuff'}, {'start': '1652.117', 'end': '1655.053', 'text': 'that we continued\nwith. And that was'}, {'start': '1655.053', 'end': '1657.789', 'text': 'because the community\nwas so involved.'}, {'start': '1659.291', 'end': '1660.826', 'text': 'I happened in my\nneighborhood. That'}, {'start': '1660.826', 'end': '1661.860', 'text': 'thing that got me going'}, {'start': '1661.860', 'end': '1664.229', 'text': 'was we had a truck\nroute. The truck'}, {'start': '1664.229', 'end': '1665.564', 'text': 'route, Rotor Avenue'}, {'start': '1665.564', 'end': '1668.534', 'text': 'truck route was in,\nbut the truckers were'}, {'start': '1668.534', 'end': '1669.835', 'text': 'hauling gravel up'}, {'start': '1669.835', 'end': '1672.204', 'text': 'to the cement plant, which\nwas still operating then.'}, {'start': '1672.671', 'end': '1675.774', 'text': 'And instead of following\nthe Rotor Avenue'}, {'start': '1675.774', 'end': '1677.142', 'text': 'thing and going a'}, {'start': '1677.142', 'end': '1679.144', 'text': 'little bit out of\ntheir way to get up'}, {'start': '1679.144', 'end': '1680.345', 'text': 'to there, they decide'}, {'start': '1680.345', 'end': '1682.180', 'text': 'to go right through\nour neighborhood,'}, {'start': '1682.180', 'end': '1685.517', 'text': 'which was not an\nofficial truck route.'}, {'start': '1686.485', 'end': '1688.954', 'text': 'And we went to the\ncity council and'}, {'start': '1688.954', 'end': '1690.556', 'text': 'said, this is terrible'}, {'start': '1690.556', 'end': '1692.658', 'text': 'because they would\ngo kaboomity,'}, {'start': '1692.658', 'end': '1694.159', 'text': 'boomity, boomity, like'}, {'start': '1694.159', 'end': '1696.828', 'text': 'three times a month\nall night long.'}, {'start': '1697.062', 'end': '1700.732', 'text': 'These big 10 on trucks and\ngravel was spilling out.'}, {'start': '1702.267', 'end': '1707.439', 'text': 'Sorry, it was spilling out.\nAnd so to speak, I was just'}, {'start': '1707.439', 'end': '1709.107', 'text': 'trying to\nemphasize my point.'}, {'start': '1710.275', 'end': '1713.612', 'text': 'And anyway, the\nneighborhood really'}, {'start': '1713.612', 'end': '1715.781', 'text': 'got together and said,'}, {'start': '1715.781', 'end': '1718.250', 'text': 'this is unacceptable. And\nwe went to the good old boys'}, {'start': '1718.250', 'end': '1723.388', 'text': "council and they just said,\nno, that's a truck route."}, {'start': '1723.388', 'end': '1726.024', 'text': 'This is what the\ntruckers want. And'}, {'start': '1726.024', 'end': '1727.759', 'text': "we're just going to do"}, {'start': '1727.759', 'end': '1729.394', 'text': "it. And so he said,\nwell, that's just"}, {'start': '1729.394', 'end': '1731.063', 'text': 'not acceptable. Well,'}, {'start': '1731.063', 'end': '1733.765', 'text': 'they push back and just\nsaid, yeah, you know.'}, {'start': '1734.266', 'end': '1737.502', 'text': 'So then we started\ngoing in front of'}, {'start': '1737.502', 'end': '1739.571', 'text': 'these trucks. We would'}, {'start': '1739.571', 'end': '1743.141', 'text': 'drive at five miles\nan hour just in front'}, {'start': '1743.141', 'end': '1744.710', 'text': 'of them. And they'}, {'start': '1744.710', 'end': '1746.178', 'text': "were just, oh, my\nGod, I thought we're"}, {'start': '1746.178', 'end': '1748.280', 'text': 'going to get killed.'}, {'start': '1748.280', 'end': '1751.383', 'text': 'Fortunately, nothing violent\never happened in that. But'}, {'start': '1751.383', 'end': '1752.884', 'text': 'your own little\nneighborhood protest'}, {'start': '1752.884', 'end': '1754.553', 'text': 'that it was our\nneighborhood protest.'}, {'start': '1754.953', 'end': '1756.688', 'text': 'And I think partly\nthrough that, I'}, {'start': '1756.688', 'end': '1757.889', 'text': 'became I got to know a'}, {'start': '1757.889', 'end': '1760.092', 'text': 'lot of other neighborhood\npeople in the city.'}, {'start': '1761.260', 'end': '1763.161', 'text': 'And someone can\ndecided not to run'}, {'start': '1763.161', 'end': '1764.429', 'text': 'again. I just thought,'}, {'start': '1764.429', 'end': '1765.797', 'text': "well, heck, I'm\nDean of Students at"}, {'start': '1765.797', 'end': '1767.566', 'text': "Western. So I've been\nan administrator."}, {'start': '1768.266', 'end': '1770.268', 'text': "I've been on the\ncity council for two"}, {'start': '1770.268', 'end': '1771.336', 'text': 'terms, this finance'}, {'start': '1771.336', 'end': '1776.108', 'text': 'director of the\ncouncil. And why not?'}, {'start': '1776.475', 'end': '1777.909', 'text': 'This would be just\na wonderful thing.'}, {'start': '1777.909', 'end': '1778.644', 'text': "And it's community"}, {'start': '1778.644', 'end': '1780.345', 'text': 'building. And I\nreally believe'}, {'start': '1780.345', 'end': '1781.813', 'text': "in that. So that's\nwhy I did it."}, {'start': '1782.280', 'end': '1785.484', 'text': 'Thank you. OK, Mayor\nHertz, especially'}, {'start': '1785.484', 'end': '1787.085', 'text': 'since you have the'}, {'start': '1787.085', 'end': '1788.754', 'text': 'good old boys, what was the'}, {'start': '1788.754', 'end': '1791.156', 'text': 'impetus for you to\nrun? Was it that?'}, {'start': '1792.658', 'end': '1794.926', 'text': 'By the way, just to\nmention, Tim got the'}, {'start': '1794.926', 'end': '1795.961', 'text': 'most votes of any'}, {'start': '1795.961', 'end': '1799.965', 'text': 'mayor ever elected in the\ncity. I remember that.'}, {'start': '1799.965', 'end': '1800.932', 'text': "That's because I ran against"}, {'start': '1800.932', 'end': '1804.469', 'text': "Haines Page. That's\nanother story."}, {'start': '1807.305', 'end': '1809.941', 'text': 'Well, I was a park director,\nthe county park director at'}, {'start': '1809.941', 'end': '1813.545', 'text': 'the time. And my\ntraining was in public'}, {'start': '1813.545', 'end': '1815.847', 'text': 'administration at the\nUniversity of Oregon.'}, {'start': '1817.349', 'end': '1820.652', 'text': 'I had an adviser when I\ntook my advanced degree that'}, {'start': '1820.652', 'end': '1824.222', 'text': 'encouraged us to\nbe city manager. I'}, {'start': '1824.222', 'end': '1826.124', 'text': "wasn't interested\nin city managers."}, {'start': '1826.124', 'end': '1828.527', 'text': "They'd have fired\nme the first year."}, {'start': '1828.527', 'end': '1829.795', 'text': "You just can't get"}, {'start': '1829.795', 'end': '1832.297', 'text': 'stuff done as a city\nmanager. I worked'}, {'start': '1832.297', 'end': '1833.532', 'text': 'for a city manager'}, {'start': '1833.532', 'end': '1836.301', 'text': 'and it was almost an\nimpossible situation.'}, {'start': '1836.301', 'end': '1840.172', 'text': 'So when I when I\nwas in parks, we'}, {'start': '1840.172', 'end': '1843.475', 'text': 'were acquiring land,'}, {'start': '1843.475', 'end': '1846.478', 'text': 'passed a couple\nof bond issues.'}, {'start': '1846.712', 'end': '1848.413', 'text': 'I was able to work\nwith the state and'}, {'start': '1848.413', 'end': '1849.715', 'text': 'federal government,'}, {'start': '1849.715', 'end': '1851.717', 'text': 'work with the\nport. In fact, your'}, {'start': '1851.717', 'end': '1856.354', 'text': 'dad, Tut, Pete\nWannich and others.'}, {'start': '1857.322', 'end': '1860.959', 'text': 'But acquiring the\nland was was my'}, {'start': '1860.959', 'end': '1863.495', 'text': 'number one goal. And I'}, {'start': '1863.495', 'end': '1865.731', 'text': 'ran into a lot of\nopposition, both'}, {'start': '1865.731', 'end': '1867.165', 'text': 'from some of the port'}, {'start': '1867.165', 'end': '1871.436', 'text': 'people, from the\ncounty commissioners.'}, {'start': '1871.737', 'end': '1875.440', 'text': 'We had a park board\nthat had policymaking,'}, {'start': '1875.440', 'end': '1877.676', 'text': 'hiring ability.'}, {'start': '1877.676', 'end': '1879.010', 'text': 'The county\ncommissioners approved'}, {'start': '1879.010', 'end': '1881.012', 'text': "the budget. That's\nabout all they did."}, {'start': '1883.281', 'end': '1887.619', 'text': 'My impetus for running\nfor mayor was the'}, {'start': '1887.619', 'end': '1890.088', 'text': 'fact that I looked\nat what was going on.'}, {'start': '1891.523', 'end': '1895.594', 'text': 'I remember one particular\ninstance. Everybody knows'}, {'start': '1895.594', 'end': '1899.131', 'text': 'Boulevard Park.\nI acquired. We'}, {'start': '1899.131', 'end': '1900.265', 'text': "didn't have a\nlaunching ramp."}, {'start': '1900.265', 'end': '1904.970', 'text': 'So I acquired the\nold Joe Means boat'}, {'start': '1904.970', 'end': '1907.739', 'text': 'building building in'}, {'start': '1907.739', 'end': '1911.209', 'text': 'Boulevard Park, which is now\na coffee shop, Woods Coffee.'}, {'start': '1913.378', 'end': '1915.714', 'text': "Reg Williams shouldn't\nmention names, but"}, {'start': '1915.714', 'end': '1917.482', 'text': "I'll mention Reg."}, {'start': '1917.482', 'end': '1920.051', 'text': 'His wife was working\nfor Fostug and'}, {'start': '1920.051', 'end': '1922.053', 'text': 'Barge at the time.'}, {'start': '1922.053', 'end': '1923.955', 'text': "They didn't want\nanything changed down"}, {'start': '1923.955', 'end': '1924.890', 'text': "there. Didn't want"}, {'start': '1924.890', 'end': '1926.958', 'text': 'that industrial\narea changed.'}, {'start': '1927.926', 'end': '1931.930', 'text': 'So they lobbied to\nlobby. I think it'}, {'start': '1931.930', 'end': '1934.399', 'text': 'was great northern at'}, {'start': '1934.399', 'end': '1937.335', 'text': 'the time, but lobbied\nthe railroad to not'}, {'start': '1937.335', 'end': '1940.071', 'text': 'let anybody cross the\ntracks at that point.'}, {'start': '1940.972', 'end': '1943.942', 'text': 'And that kind of\nbroke the straw. And I'}, {'start': '1943.942', 'end': '1946.178', 'text': "said, there's enough\nof this nonsense."}, {'start': '1947.679', 'end': '1952.450', 'text': "I'm not a city manager. You\ncan't fire me counsel. I'll"}, {'start': '1952.450', 'end': '1954.286', 'text': 'take the position\nand run after it.'}, {'start': '1954.286', 'end': '1956.822', 'text': "And if I get it, I\nget it. If I'm not,"}, {'start': '1956.822', 'end': '1958.089', 'text': "I'll move on to my"}, {'start': '1958.089', 'end': '1961.193', 'text': "park where I don't\nget so much crap."}, {'start': '1963.595', 'end': '1966.264', 'text': 'So it was more of\nan opportunity to'}, {'start': '1966.264', 'end': '1967.866', 'text': 'see a change than it'}, {'start': '1967.866', 'end': '1970.101', 'text': 'was my desire to be\nmayor. Would I do'}, {'start': '1970.101', 'end': '1972.871', 'text': "it again? No, I\nwouldn't do it again."}, {'start': '1973.638', 'end': '1976.174', 'text': "I wouldn't do it\nagain because I"}, {'start': '1976.174', 'end': '1977.943', 'text': "don't see myself in a"}, {'start': '1977.943', 'end': '1980.946', 'text': 'position, even if\nI was younger, in a'}, {'start': '1980.946', 'end': '1983.048', 'text': 'position of doing\nthat particular job.'}, {'start': '1983.315', 'end': '1986.618', 'text': 'I enjoyed it. I\nenjoyed putting the'}, {'start': '1986.618', 'end': '1988.520', 'text': 'department heads in'}, {'start': '1988.520', 'end': '1992.023', 'text': 'office that were\noutstanding,'}, {'start': '1992.224', 'end': '1995.193', 'text': 'particularly Terry\nMangin, my police chief.'}, {'start': '1996.228', 'end': '2000.065', 'text': 'Went on to be chief\nin Spokane, but an'}, {'start': '2000.065', 'end': '2003.001', 'text': 'outstanding person.'}, {'start': '2003.001', 'end': '2005.136', 'text': 'When I left, he was\nalways in charge.'}, {'start': '2006.304', 'end': '2008.573', 'text': 'So poor Terry died\ntoo young. But in any'}, {'start': '2008.573', 'end': '2009.641', 'text': 'event, we had some'}, {'start': '2009.641', 'end': '2012.544', 'text': 'great department\nheads. And there was a'}, {'start': '2012.544', 'end': '2015.347', 'text': 'need at that time\nto make that change.'}, {'start': '2016.014', 'end': '2017.249', 'text': "That's the reason I ran."}, {'start': '2018.383', 'end': '2020.819', 'text': 'So it sounds like there\nwas just a special set of'}, {'start': '2020.819', 'end': '2024.556', 'text': 'circumstances and a\nspecial desire from'}, {'start': '2024.556', 'end': '2027.025', 'text': 'you that was just\nthat moment in time.'}, {'start': '2027.025', 'end': '2027.592', 'text': "That's correct."}, {'start': '2028.260', 'end': '2030.862', 'text': 'Interesting. Well, we are\ngrateful for it. That is for'}, {'start': '2030.862', 'end': '2033.765', 'text': 'sure. We are very, very\ngrateful for it. Thank you.'}, {'start': '2034.266', 'end': '2036.334', 'text': "Okay. Next question,\nwe'll start with"}, {'start': '2036.334', 'end': '2038.670', 'text': 'you, Mayor Douglas.'}, {'start': '2038.670', 'end': '2041.006', 'text': 'What was the biggest\nchallenge that you'}, {'start': '2041.006', 'end': '2042.107', 'text': 'thought you would'}, {'start': '2042.107', 'end': '2044.009', 'text': 'have when you\nbecame the mayor?'}, {'start': '2044.876', 'end': '2046.678', 'text': 'And what turned\nout to actually'}, {'start': '2046.678', 'end': '2048.880', 'text': 'be your biggest\nchallenge as mayor?'}, {'start': '2050.282', 'end': '2051.283', 'text': 'So what you thought it would'}, {'start': '2051.283', 'end': '2053.451', 'text': 'be and what it\nturned out to be?'}, {'start': '2053.785', 'end': '2056.755', 'text': 'Well, first of all,\nwhen I first became'}, {'start': '2056.755', 'end': '2058.290', 'text': 'mayor, we were just'}, {'start': '2058.290', 'end': '2059.958', 'text': 'in such a world\nof economic hurt.'}, {'start': '2060.592', 'end': '2062.060', 'text': "I mean, you can't\nbelieve it was just"}, {'start': '2062.060', 'end': '2066.398', 'text': 'awful. I was chair, as\nI said, of the council.'}, {'start': '2067.198', 'end': '2069.267', 'text': 'Either I was on the finance'}, {'start': '2069.267', 'end': '2071.403', 'text': 'committee or chair of\nthe finance committee.'}, {'start': '2072.070', 'end': '2075.740', 'text': 'And every year we were doing\ncutback budgets. We had less'}, {'start': '2075.740', 'end': '2077.876', 'text': "money than what we'd\nhad the year before."}, {'start': '2078.310', 'end': '2081.313', 'text': 'And it was this whole\nsecond, as Ken has'}, {'start': '2081.313', 'end': '2082.948', 'text': 'talked about, and you\nhave mentioned too,'}, {'start': '2083.281', 'end': '2086.418', 'text': 'we were leaving the\nera of harvesting'}, {'start': '2086.418', 'end': '2088.219', 'text': 'all sorts of natural'}, {'start': '2088.219', 'end': '2093.124', 'text': 'resources, fish,\ntimber, coal, etc.'}, {'start': '2093.625', 'end': '2097.295', 'text': 'And there was just no\nfuture there at that point.'}, {'start': '2098.063', 'end': '2102.467', 'text': 'And we had already started\non this effort to do, as I'}, {'start': '2102.467', 'end': '2104.436', 'text': 'mentioned, the\nAlaska Ferry thing.'}, {'start': '2104.736', 'end': '2107.005', 'text': 'And we would\nrealize we had to do'}, {'start': '2107.005', 'end': '2108.740', 'text': 'something to bring\nthe economy back.'}, {'start': '2109.307', 'end': '2113.144', 'text': 'And none of these things\nare things I did by myself.'}, {'start': '2113.345', 'end': '2115.213', 'text': 'Just I think all\nof us feel like we'}, {'start': '2115.213', 'end': '2116.414', 'text': 'worked in tandem with'}, {'start': '2116.414', 'end': '2118.883', 'text': 'all our parts of the\ncommunity to really'}, {'start': '2118.883', 'end': '2120.352', 'text': 'get things done.'}, {'start': '2120.352', 'end': '2121.886', 'text': 'And that was the\nbiggest thing that'}, {'start': '2121.886', 'end': '2122.787', 'text': 'was of concern to me'}, {'start': '2122.787', 'end': '2126.625', 'text': 'was how do we get things on\ntrack financially so that'}, {'start': '2126.625', 'end': '2129.794', 'text': 'people have a\ndecent living here'}, {'start': '2129.794', 'end': '2132.197', 'text': "compared to what we're\nexperiencing right now."}, {'start': '2133.965', 'end': '2135.200', 'text': 'Did that turn out\nto be the actual'}, {'start': '2135.200', 'end': '2136.468', 'text': 'challenge when you\nwere in office?'}, {'start': '2137.302', 'end': '2140.505', 'text': 'Actually, initially it was,\nbut by that point we were'}, {'start': '2140.505', 'end': '2141.673', 'text': 'already gearing up to deal'}, {'start': '2141.673', 'end': '2144.376', 'text': 'with it. So probably\nnot so much.'}, {'start': '2144.643', 'end': '2146.378', 'text': 'I did want to mention,\nif I can, one other'}, {'start': '2146.378', 'end': '2147.712', 'text': 'thing, though.'}, {'start': '2147.712', 'end': '2150.382', 'text': 'Booth Gardner, I\nrespect, is one of the'}, {'start': '2150.382', 'end': '2152.283', 'text': 'best governors our\nstate has ever had.'}, {'start': '2152.650', 'end': '2156.621', 'text': 'He was just a tremendous\nguy, very personable, very'}, {'start': '2156.621', 'end': '2160.692', 'text': 'responsive to people\nall over the state.'}, {'start': '2160.692', 'end': '2164.095', 'text': "He worked at Weyerhauser.\nHe's really a very"}, {'start': '2164.095', 'end': '2166.331', 'text': 'talented guy.'}, {'start': '2166.331', 'end': '2169.067', 'text': 'And I got Louise\nBjornsson. Louise may be'}, {'start': '2169.067', 'end': '2170.902', 'text': "in the crowd here\nsomewhere. I don't know."}, {'start': '2171.403', 'end': '2173.338', 'text': 'Yeah, Louise is\nalways there on'}, {'start': '2173.338', 'end': '2178.176', 'text': 'things. So she was\nvery concerned.'}, {'start': '2178.576', 'end': '2180.645', 'text': "We'd been working\ntogether on recycling"}, {'start': '2180.645', 'end': '2181.646', 'text': 'and stuff. And she'}, {'start': '2181.646', 'end': '2185.183', 'text': 'lived in, she still does, in\nthe neighborhood up there,'}, {'start': '2185.183', 'end': '2188.920', 'text': 'Birchwood, near the then\noperating cement factory.'}, {'start': '2189.320', 'end': '2191.623', 'text': 'And that thing was\njust coating the whole'}, {'start': '2191.623', 'end': '2192.657', 'text': 'neighborhood with'}, {'start': '2192.657', 'end': '2196.327', 'text': 'white cement dust.\nIt was unbelievable.'}, {'start': '2197.195', 'end': '2199.097', 'text': 'Both of us on\nthe air thing had'}, {'start': '2199.097', 'end': '2201.399', 'text': 'to deal with this\nall the time.'}, {'start': '2202.233', 'end': '2205.503', 'text': 'So suddenly it became\nthat Boeing wanted'}, {'start': '2205.503', 'end': '2207.072', 'text': 'to have a place to'}, {'start': '2207.072', 'end': '2211.609', 'text': 'dispose of all of their\nhazardous materials.'}, {'start': '2212.444', 'end': '2215.480', 'text': 'And so at the time\nit was possible for'}, {'start': '2215.480', 'end': '2217.082', 'text': 'a cement plant kiln'}, {'start': '2217.082', 'end': '2219.451', 'text': 'to be used to dispose\nof these things.'}, {'start': '2219.918', 'end': '2222.687', 'text': 'And so the then\nexisting cement plant'}, {'start': '2222.687', 'end': '2224.122', 'text': 'said, "Wow, what a'}, {'start': '2224.122', 'end': '2227.292', 'text': 'great idea. Well, we\'ll\njust do this for Boeing."'}, {'start': '2228.126', 'end': '2231.029', 'text': 'And it turns out if that had\nhappened, it would have been'}, {'start': '2231.029', 'end': '2232.964', 'text': 'not just Boeing, but\nthe whole West Coast.'}, {'start': '2233.565', 'end': '2236.901', 'text': 'All kinds of toxic materials\nwould have been brought up'}, {'start': '2236.901', 'end': '2238.269', 'text': 'here to be burned\nup in that thing.'}, {'start': '2238.269', 'end': '2240.772', 'text': 'And then just like\nthe cement dust, it'}, {'start': '2240.772', 'end': '2242.373', 'text': 'would have floated out\nacross the neighborhood.'}, {'start': '2243.108', 'end': '2245.577', 'text': 'Schools and all sorts\nof things and stuff.'}, {'start': '2245.577', 'end': '2248.746', 'text': 'And boy, Louise was\njust livid about that.'}, {'start': '2248.746', 'end': '2250.882', 'text': 'And so she talked to\nme. So I got ahold'}, {'start': '2250.882', 'end': '2251.883', 'text': 'of Booth Gardner,'}, {'start': '2251.883', 'end': '2255.253', 'text': 'who I had known\nto some extent,'}, {'start': '2255.787', 'end': '2257.755', 'text': 'and said, "Booth,\nthis is awful."'}, {'start': '2257.755', 'end': '2260.658', 'text': 'And Booth said, "I will take\ncare of this." He stepped'}, {'start': '2260.658', 'end': '2263.828', 'text': 'right in. He said,\n"No kiln burning of'}, {'start': '2263.828', 'end': '2265.497', 'text': 'toxic waste will be'}, {'start': '2265.497', 'end': '2266.931', 'text': 'permitted in the\nstate of Washington."'}, {'start': '2267.632', 'end': '2269.768', 'text': 'And that was all\nbecause Bellingham'}, {'start': '2269.768', 'end': '2271.236', 'text': 'asked him to do it. And'}, {'start': '2271.236', 'end': '2274.639', 'text': 'he stepped right up.\nA phenomenal thing'}, {'start': '2274.639', 'end': '2276.941', 'text': "I'll never forget."}, {'start': '2276.941', 'end': '2280.945', 'text': 'And also then forestry\nstuff. Booth, we'}, {'start': '2280.945', 'end': '2283.181', 'text': 'had a time here,'}, {'start': '2283.181', 'end': '2287.085', 'text': 'some of you may recall\nit, when they were'}, {'start': '2287.085', 'end': '2288.786', 'text': 'clear-cutting all'}, {'start': '2288.786', 'end': '2296.027', 'text': 'the mountainsides on the\nother side of Lake Whatcom.'}, {'start': '2296.761', 'end': '2298.963', 'text': 'Just clear-cutting\nit. Thousands and'}, {'start': '2298.963', 'end': '2300.131', 'text': 'thousands of acres'}, {'start': '2300.131', 'end': '2302.333', 'text': 'just suddenly gone.\nAnd the people'}, {'start': '2302.333', 'end': '2305.770', 'text': 'there were furious and\ncomplained about it.'}, {'start': '2306.037', 'end': '2308.606', 'text': 'And so I got some of\nthe forestry people'}, {'start': '2308.606', 'end': '2309.841', 'text': 'together and said,'}, {'start': '2309.841', 'end': '2312.610', 'text': '"Let\'s get you\nworking together."'}, {'start': '2312.610', 'end': '2313.978', 'text': 'Because they were\nbuilding their own'}, {'start': '2313.978', 'end': '2314.846', 'text': "roads and they weren't"}, {'start': '2314.846', 'end': '2316.114', 'text': 'cooperating with each other.'}, {'start': '2316.114', 'end': '2317.448', 'text': "They'd never met\ntogether, ever."}, {'start': '2317.949', 'end': '2320.385', 'text': 'So they agreed to get\ntogether and stuff.'}, {'start': '2320.385', 'end': '2321.452', 'text': 'And then we said,'}, {'start': '2321.452', 'end': '2322.620', 'text': '"We\'ve got to\nchange forestry'}, {'start': '2322.620', 'end': '2324.055', 'text': 'practices here in\nthis watershed."'}, {'start': '2324.289', 'end': '2327.659', 'text': 'And then we went to\nBooth Gardner and'}, {'start': '2327.659', 'end': '2329.661', 'text': 'said, "Booth, this is'}, {'start': '2329.661', 'end': '2331.129', 'text': 'just unacceptable."\nHe said, "You\'re'}, {'start': '2331.129', 'end': '2334.866', 'text': 'absolutely right. It\'s\nending like this."'}, {'start': '2334.866', 'end': '2336.401', 'text': 'And he just cut it\noff like that and'}, {'start': '2336.401', 'end': '2337.368', 'text': 'said, "No more of that'}, {'start': '2337.368', 'end': '2339.604', 'text': "kind of forestry.\nWe've got to respect"}, {'start': '2339.604', 'end': '2340.705', 'text': 'the environment in'}, {'start': '2340.705', 'end': '2341.973', 'text': 'these stream\nquarters and stuff."'}, {'start': '2342.307', 'end': '2346.444', 'text': 'So it was wonderful\nworking with him.'}, {'start': '2346.444', 'end': '2348.880', 'text': 'All the environmental'}, {'start': '2348.880', 'end': '2351.249', 'text': 'things were really\nneeding to be tackled.'}, {'start': '2352.250', 'end': '2353.585', 'text': "That's really\ninteresting about Booth"}, {'start': '2353.585', 'end': '2354.252', 'text': 'Gardner. I mean, I'}, {'start': '2354.252', 'end': '2356.254', 'text': "know his legacy,\nright? But that's crazy"}, {'start': '2356.254', 'end': '2357.822', 'text': 'that you can call him\nup and say, "Hey."'}, {'start': '2358.189', 'end': '2360.058', 'text': 'And he says, "We\'ll take\ncare of that for you."'}, {'start': '2360.758', 'end': '2362.994', 'text': 'All right. Mayor\nHertz, what about you?'}, {'start': '2362.994', 'end': '2364.095', 'text': 'The thing that you'}, {'start': '2364.095', 'end': '2366.297', 'text': 'thought would be your\nbiggest challenge?'}, {'start': '2366.297', 'end': '2367.031', 'text': 'And was that'}, {'start': '2367.031', 'end': '2368.766', 'text': 'actually your\nbiggest challenge?'}, {'start': '2371.502', 'end': '2374.572', 'text': 'Before you started office,\nbefore you went into office,'}, {'start': '2374.772', 'end': '2376.407', 'text': 'what did you think\nwas going to be your'}, {'start': '2376.407', 'end': '2377.609', 'text': 'biggest challenge?'}, {'start': '2377.609', 'end': '2379.244', 'text': 'And what turned out to be\nyour biggest challenge?'}, {'start': '2380.278', 'end': '2384.215', 'text': 'Well, the biggest challenge\nwas to find the right people'}, {'start': '2384.215', 'end': '2387.185', 'text': 'for the right\njobs. That was my'}, {'start': '2387.185', 'end': '2390.521', 'text': 'biggest challenge.\nAnd it is a challenge.'}, {'start': '2392.056', 'end': '2395.860', 'text': 'You know, when I was\nmayor, I was mayor'}, {'start': '2395.860', 'end': '2398.596', 'text': 'for $25,000 a year.'}, {'start': '2398.596', 'end': '2401.299', 'text': 'That was my salary.\nI was raising three'}, {'start': '2401.299', 'end': '2407.272', 'text': 'kids and trying to\nlive on $25,000 a year.'}, {'start': '2407.272', 'end': '2410.375', 'text': "It didn't matter at\nthat point, much to"}, {'start': '2410.375', 'end': '2411.943', 'text': 'the significance of'}, {'start': '2411.943', 'end': '2415.480', 'text': 'my family, but I\nwanted to do it. And'}, {'start': '2415.480', 'end': '2418.383', 'text': 'that was the point.'}, {'start': '2418.383', 'end': '2420.551', 'text': 'I would have done\nit if I could have'}, {'start': '2420.551', 'end': '2422.120', 'text': 'done it for nothing.'}, {'start': '2422.120', 'end': '2423.988', 'text': "I'd have done\nit because I saw"}, {'start': '2423.988', 'end': '2426.090', 'text': 'the deterioration\nin the town.'}, {'start': '2427.392', 'end': '2430.595', 'text': 'But the biggest\nchallenge was finding'}, {'start': '2430.595', 'end': '2432.497', 'text': 'the right people. And'}, {'start': '2432.497', 'end': '2436.301', 'text': 'we searched high and low\nto get the right people.'}, {'start': '2436.301', 'end': '2440.405', 'text': 'I had to release\nall the department'}, {'start': '2440.405', 'end': '2442.974', 'text': 'heads except the fire'}, {'start': '2442.974', 'end': '2446.311', 'text': "chief. And that's not\neasy. You can talk"}, {'start': '2446.311', 'end': '2447.912', 'text': 'to Mayor Kim about'}, {'start': '2447.912', 'end': '2450.615', 'text': 'even the two people\nthat she replaced.'}, {'start': '2451.349', 'end': '2453.351', 'text': "And I don't know. I\nknow you, Tim, and"}, {'start': '2453.351', 'end': '2454.285', 'text': 'Mark did the same'}, {'start': '2454.285', 'end': '2456.421', 'text': 'thing. But when you\nhad to go through'}, {'start': '2456.421', 'end': '2462.293', 'text': "the whole bunch of\nthem, it wasn't easy."}, {'start': '2462.293', 'end': '2464.896', 'text': "And it wasn't easy\nparticularly because"}, {'start': '2464.896', 'end': '2465.964', 'text': 'the council was'}, {'start': '2465.964', 'end': '2467.765', 'text': 'part of the good\nold boy system.'}, {'start': '2469.200', 'end': '2471.936', 'text': 'I want to mention\nsomething about the'}, {'start': '2471.936', 'end': '2473.471', 'text': 'cement plant because'}, {'start': '2473.471', 'end': '2475.306', 'text': 'I was chairman of\nthe Air Pollution'}, {'start': '2475.306', 'end': '2479.043', 'text': 'Authority at the time.'}, {'start': '2479.043', 'end': '2483.414', 'text': 'Mark, you were director\nof that operation.'}, {'start': '2483.414', 'end': '2484.882', 'text': 'But we had so'}, {'start': '2484.882', 'end': '2487.652', 'text': 'many complaints\nbecause of all the'}, {'start': '2487.652', 'end': '2489.454', 'text': 'dust and a lot of the'}, {'start': '2489.454', 'end': '2493.191', 'text': 'contamination that\nlanded on cars.'}, {'start': '2493.391', 'end': '2495.693', 'text': 'And people were\ncrying and whining'}, {'start': '2495.693', 'end': '2497.395', 'text': 'constantly about it. And'}, {'start': '2497.395', 'end': '2499.497', 'text': "you can't blame\nthem. So I called a"}, {'start': '2499.497', 'end': '2503.234', 'text': 'meeting in the old\nschool district building.'}, {'start': '2504.302', 'end': '2510.074', 'text': 'And I asked the Air\nPollution Authority'}, {'start': '2510.074', 'end': '2513.011', 'text': 'to be there. All of'}, {'start': '2513.011', 'end': '2514.812', 'text': 'the air pollution people. I'}, {'start': '2514.812', 'end': '2516.547', 'text': 'talked to Bud\nNorris at the time.'}, {'start': '2516.981', 'end': '2522.253', 'text': 'Was Glenn Holman\nthe director?'}, {'start': '2523.254', 'end': '2528.059', 'text': 'In any event, he was\na commissioner in'}, {'start': '2528.059', 'end': '2530.728', 'text': 'Skagit County. And I'}, {'start': '2530.728', 'end': '2534.532', 'text': 'talked to Corky Johnson.\nHe was on the commission.'}, {'start': '2535.733', 'end': '2537.301', 'text': 'And I said, "Look,\nwe\'re going to go'}, {'start': '2537.301', 'end': '2538.236', 'text': 'through this meeting'}, {'start': '2538.236', 'end': '2541.439', 'text': "and I'm going to call for\nthe closure of that plant."}, {'start': '2543.441', 'end': '2547.178', 'text': 'And I want you\nto make a motion'}, {'start': '2547.178', 'end': '2549.714', 'text': 'and I want Corky\nto second it."'}, {'start': '2550.548', 'end': '2551.983', 'text': 'Went through the\nwhole thing. The'}, {'start': '2551.983', 'end': '2553.251', 'text': 'place was jam-packed,'}, {'start': '2553.251', 'end': '2555.253', 'text': 'even outside. I mean,\njust jam-packed.'}, {'start': '2556.888', 'end': '2559.957', 'text': "I'm going to make\nhim... If we can't"}, {'start': '2559.957', 'end': '2561.759', 'text': 'come to a conclusion'}, {'start': '2561.759', 'end': '2563.961', 'text': "here, we're going\nto take a motion to"}, {'start': '2563.961', 'end': '2566.264', 'text': 'close the plant down.'}, {'start': '2566.264', 'end': '2569.934', 'text': 'Bud Norris, I move\nCorky second. People'}, {'start': '2569.934', 'end': '2571.869', 'text': 'just went crazy.'}, {'start': '2571.869', 'end': '2574.972', 'text': "You can't close that\nplant down. That's"}, {'start': '2574.972', 'end': '2576.407', 'text': 'bread and butter.'}, {'start': '2576.407', 'end': '2577.875', 'text': "That's my job.\nWhat are you doing?"}, {'start': '2580.311', 'end': '2583.581', 'text': "Meeting's over. Bang,\nI'm out of here."}, {'start': '2583.581', 'end': '2585.149', 'text': "But it's the same"}, {'start': '2585.149', 'end': '2587.952', 'text': 'concept, you know.\nDo something about'}, {'start': '2587.952', 'end': '2589.921', 'text': "it, but don't do\nsomething about it."}, {'start': '2590.721', 'end': '2593.257', 'text': 'Some of that stuff\ngets back and forth'}, {'start': '2593.257', 'end': '2594.926', 'text': 'and back and forth.'}, {'start': '2594.926', 'end': '2597.094', 'text': "Oh, do it. But the\nonly way you're"}, {'start': '2597.094', 'end': '2598.763', 'text': 'going to do it is to\nclose the plant down.'}, {'start': '2599.297', 'end': '2601.098', 'text': "You're not going to\ndo it any other way."}, {'start': '2601.098', 'end': '2601.966', 'text': 'I looked at cement'}, {'start': '2601.966', 'end': '2604.135', 'text': 'plants up in Canada\nall over the place.'}, {'start': '2605.636', 'end': '2607.071', 'text': 'And the other thing,\nI want to just'}, {'start': '2607.071', 'end': '2607.972', 'text': 'mention another thing'}, {'start': '2607.972', 'end': '2610.741', 'text': 'too, because of our\nneighbors in Canada.'}, {'start': '2612.276', 'end': '2620.084', 'text': 'We had a number of business\npeople that... How it got in'}, {'start': '2620.084', 'end': '2622.687', 'text': "the Vancouver sun,\nI don't know, but"}, {'start': '2622.687', 'end': '2624.689', 'text': 'they were calling\nCanadians "cheeseheads."'}, {'start': '2625.690', 'end': '2627.291', 'text': 'They got a bunch of\ncheeseheads coming'}, {'start': '2627.291', 'end': '2627.992', 'text': "in. They weren't"}, {'start': '2627.992', 'end': '2631.662', 'text': 'particularly welcome in\nWhatcom County at the time.'}, {'start': '2632.497', 'end': '2633.865', 'text': 'I happened to be a former'}, {'start': '2633.865', 'end': '2638.269', 'text': 'cheesehead. I was\nborn in North China.'}, {'start': '2639.270', 'end': '2642.707', 'text': 'Paul Olskamp, the\npresident of Western,'}, {'start': '2642.707', 'end': '2645.610', 'text': 'was a cheesehead.'}, {'start': '2645.610', 'end': '2649.347', 'text': 'And we had other\ncheeseheads running around.'}, {'start': '2649.947', 'end': '2654.952', 'text': 'But it came in the Vancouver\npaper. I had so many letters'}, {'start': '2654.952', 'end': '2657.722', 'text': 'from so many people\nthat just said,'}, {'start': '2657.722', 'end': '2659.557', 'text': '"We\'re never coming to'}, {'start': '2659.557', 'end': '2660.291', 'text': 'Bellingham again.\nWe\'re not..."'}, {'start': '2660.291', 'end': '2664.896', 'text': 'It was very, very, very,\nvery confrontational.'}, {'start': '2664.896', 'end': '2665.997', 'text': 'I got some'}, {'start': '2665.997', 'end': '2668.699', 'text': 'nasty letters. So\nwe got together.'}, {'start': '2670.167', 'end': '2673.471', 'text': 'And Olskamp and Corky and a\nnumber of other people that'}, {'start': '2673.471', 'end': '2676.574', 'text': 'were the chamber and\nso forth and so on.'}, {'start': '2676.807', 'end': '2679.710', 'text': 'Got together and went up\nand met with the mayor of'}, {'start': '2679.710', 'end': '2681.245', 'text': 'Vancouver, Mayor\nBouldrich at the time.'}, {'start': '2681.245', 'end': '2688.853', 'text': 'Met the city hall, presented\nhim with a letter, and he'}, {'start': '2688.853', 'end': '2690.488', 'text': 'presented us with\na cheesecake.'}, {'start': '2692.924', 'end': '2698.930', 'text': 'And the cheesecake and the\nphotograph that was taken'}, {'start': '2698.930', 'end': '2702.166', 'text': 'between myself and\nBouldrich at the time'}, {'start': '2702.166', 'end': '2706.237', 'text': 'was front page in the\nVancouver sun, in color.'}, {'start': '2707.271', 'end': '2709.807', 'text': 'Which is kind of cool.\nThat just softened'}, {'start': '2709.807', 'end': '2711.776', 'text': 'the whole bowl.'}, {'start': '2711.776', 'end': '2713.377', 'text': 'Never heard of\nanything after that.'}, {'start': '2714.212', 'end': '2715.913', 'text': 'We need to send some\npeople up to Canada.'}, {'start': '2715.913', 'end': '2717.081', 'text': 'We need to send\npeople up to Canada.'}, {'start': '2717.081', 'end': '2718.449', 'text': 'I think we have to\ndo that again and'}, {'start': '2718.449', 'end': '2719.917', 'text': 'see if we can get\nourselves a cheesecake.'}, {'start': '2720.251', 'end': '2721.285', 'text': 'Go find the cheeses.'}, {'start': '2723.087', 'end': '2725.356', 'text': 'Alright. Mayor\nAsmanson, what about'}, {'start': '2725.356', 'end': '2726.591', 'text': 'you? The thing you'}, {'start': '2726.591', 'end': '2728.459', 'text': 'thought would be the biggest\nchallenge? The thing that'}, {'start': '2728.459', 'end': '2729.260', 'text': 'ended up being the\nbiggest challenge?'}, {'start': '2730.261', 'end': '2736.100', 'text': 'I knew the biggest challenge\nwould be, no, when I say I'}, {'start': '2736.100', 'end': '2738.135', 'text': 'knew, that means\nI had no clue.'}, {'start': '2739.770', 'end': '2741.739', 'text': 'I thought the biggest\nchallenge would be'}, {'start': '2741.739', 'end': '2742.607', 'text': 'to get all of the'}, {'start': '2742.607', 'end': '2745.309', 'text': 'city departments to\nwork in coordination'}, {'start': '2745.309', 'end': '2747.044', 'text': 'with each other.'}, {'start': '2747.044', 'end': '2750.247', 'text': 'We had several excellent\ndepartment heads and we had'}, {'start': '2750.247', 'end': '2751.248', 'text': 'several that were\nnot excellent.'}, {'start': '2752.283', 'end': '2755.820', 'text': 'I remember my friend\nTim saying, as I'}, {'start': '2755.820', 'end': '2757.922', 'text': 'described one to him,'}, {'start': '2757.922', 'end': '2760.458', 'text': 'he says, on his way\nout the door, "Well,'}, {'start': '2760.458', 'end': '2761.559', 'text': "that's a problem"}, {'start': '2761.559', 'end': '2762.927', 'text': 'you\'re going to\nhave to deal with."'}, {'start': '2765.630', 'end': '2766.497', 'text': 'And I did.'}, {'start': '2767.431', 'end': '2767.965', 'text': 'And I did.'}, {'start': '2769.567', 'end': '2771.969', 'text': "But as Ken said,\nit's not fun to fire"}, {'start': '2771.969', 'end': '2773.337', 'text': 'people, but you have'}, {'start': '2773.337', 'end': '2774.272', 'text': "to if they're not\ndoing the job."}, {'start': '2775.272', 'end': '2778.909', 'text': 'And it is in the nature\nof city departments'}, {'start': '2778.909', 'end': '2780.077', 'text': 'to operate as'}, {'start': '2780.077', 'end': '2782.780', 'text': 'silos. They do not\nwant to work together.'}, {'start': '2783.648', 'end': '2785.883', 'text': 'And the biggest silo\nof all is the Public'}, {'start': '2785.883', 'end': '2786.817', 'text': 'Works Department'}, {'start': '2786.817', 'end': '2789.787', 'text': "because they're the only\ndepartment that makes money."}, {'start': '2790.421', 'end': '2792.256', 'text': 'They send water bills out.'}, {'start': '2792.690', 'end': '2794.025', 'text': 'And by the way, read your'}, {'start': '2794.025', 'end': '2797.294', 'text': 'Bellingham Herald today\nand think about that.'}, {'start': '2797.294', 'end': '2800.531', 'text': 'So I thought the\nbiggest issue was'}, {'start': '2800.531', 'end': '2802.633', 'text': 'going to be getting a'}, {'start': '2802.633', 'end': '2805.102', 'text': 'team together that would\nwork together as a whole.'}, {'start': '2805.303', 'end': '2807.204', 'text': 'And I succeeded. We\nhad a dream team.'}, {'start': '2807.204', 'end': '2808.205', 'text': 'By the time it was'}, {'start': '2808.205', 'end': '2810.541', 'text': 'done, it took a long time to\nget over it, but they were'}, {'start': '2810.541', 'end': '2812.710', 'text': 'just really firing on all'}, {'start': '2812.710', 'end': '2814.445', 'text': 'cylinders and\nworking wonderfully.'}, {'start': '2815.446', 'end': '2819.350', 'text': 'The pipeline explosion was\nabsolutely unexpected and'}, {'start': '2819.350', 'end': '2822.053', 'text': 'horrible, a horrible\nthing for the'}, {'start': '2822.053', 'end': '2823.321', 'text': 'families. I knew\nall the families.'}, {'start': '2823.321', 'end': '2826.424', 'text': 'I was born in\nBellingham. I grew up'}, {'start': '2826.424', 'end': '2828.526', 'text': 'on Eldridge Avenue when'}, {'start': '2828.526', 'end': '2831.896', 'text': 'all those damn\nlimestone trucks would'}, {'start': '2831.896', 'end': '2835.032', 'text': 'go down the road to\nthe cement plant.'}, {'start': '2835.032', 'end': '2839.904', 'text': 'When I was in high school, I\nremember being old enough to'}, {'start': '2839.904', 'end': '2842.306', 'text': 'have friends who\nlived out there.'}, {'start': '2842.306', 'end': '2848.045', 'text': 'And they would just stop by\nevery year or two to get a'}, {'start': '2848.045', 'end': '2851.849', 'text': 'certificate from the cement'}, {'start': '2851.849', 'end': '2853.984', 'text': 'plant to get their\ncars repainted.'}, {'start': '2854.318', 'end': '2855.786', 'text': 'I mean, they were\nhanding them out. You'}, {'start': '2855.786', 'end': '2856.554', 'text': "didn't even have to"}, {'start': '2856.554', 'end': '2858.856', 'text': "prove anything. Just\ngo up and they'd"}, {'start': '2858.856', 'end': '2860.224', 'text': 'just repaint your car'}, {'start': '2860.224', 'end': '2862.626', 'text': "and you'd get the\nwindows replaced"}, {'start': '2862.626', 'end': '2864.228', 'text': 'because the acidity of'}, {'start': '2864.228', 'end': '2866.997', 'text': 'the dust was\njust awful in the'}, {'start': '2866.997', 'end': '2868.265', 'text': 'Birchwood and Aldwood\nneighborhoods.'}, {'start': '2868.265', 'end': '2872.703', 'text': 'It was the ultimate\nlack of environmental'}, {'start': '2872.703', 'end': '2877.274', 'text': 'justice for sure.'}, {'start': '2877.274', 'end': '2880.945', 'text': 'So getting the Department of\nthe Head team together was'}, {'start': '2880.945', 'end': '2883.681', 'text': 'great. The pipeline\nwas terrible. I knew'}, {'start': '2883.681', 'end': '2884.915', 'text': 'all the families,'}, {'start': '2884.915', 'end': '2890.621', 'text': 'I knew all the kids.\nMarlene Robinson was the'}, {'start': '2890.621', 'end': '2896.260', 'text': "administrative assistant for\nthe city attorney's office."}, {'start': '2896.260', 'end': '2899.864', 'text': "She's my cousin too.\nNow why do I say"}, {'start': '2899.864', 'end': '2902.299', 'text': "that? I'm Icelandic."}, {'start': '2902.299', 'end': '2904.802', 'text': 'Every Icelander\nin the world is a'}, {'start': '2904.802', 'end': '2907.204', 'text': "cousin. There's so\nfew of us, okay?"}, {'start': '2907.905', 'end': '2910.741', 'text': "I mean, that's a\nfact. I'm not making"}, {'start': '2910.741', 'end': '2912.443', 'text': "that up. I mean, it's"}, {'start': '2912.443', 'end': '2913.944', 'text': 'a fact. Every Icelander is'}, {'start': '2913.944', 'end': '2915.246', 'text': 'related to every\nother Icelander.'}, {'start': '2916.280', 'end': '2922.953', 'text': "So Marlene, she's also a\ncheesehead too. In fact, my"}, {'start': '2922.953', 'end': '2929.093', 'text': 'grandparents, they came from\nIceland into Gimli out in'}, {'start': '2929.093', 'end': '2934.131', 'text': 'Saskatchewan near Manitoba\nand then moved down to North'}, {'start': '2934.131', 'end': '2936.300', 'text': 'Dakota and then came\nout to Bellingham.'}, {'start': '2936.300', 'end': '2939.637', 'text': 'But anyway, way more\ninformation than'}, {'start': '2939.637', 'end': '2943.440', 'text': 'you want to know.'}, {'start': '2943.440', 'end': '2945.676', 'text': 'But the pipeline\nwas a horrible thing'}, {'start': '2945.676', 'end': '2946.844', 'text': 'for the people. It'}, {'start': '2946.844', 'end': '2949.980', 'text': "was horrible. The\nenvironment's very powerful."}, {'start': '2951.282', 'end': '2957.822', 'text': 'And I knew it would\nbe restored, it would'}, {'start': '2957.822', 'end': '2964.261', 'text': 'grow back. The families,\nthat just awful.'}, {'start': '2965.296', 'end': '2972.837', 'text': 'But I became\nextraordinarily actively'}, {'start': '2972.837', 'end': '2976.607', 'text': 'involved in lobbying\nin Washington, D.C.'}, {'start': '2976.607', 'end': '2977.541', 'text': 'For pipeline safety.'}, {'start': '2977.808', 'end': '2982.179', 'text': 'For pipeline safety. And we\ngot a federal act adopted. I'}, {'start': '2982.179', 'end': '2984.615', 'text': 'remember planning\non meeting, I wanted'}, {'start': '2984.615', 'end': '2985.883', 'text': 'to meet John Dingle'}, {'start': '2985.883', 'end': '2988.185', 'text': "because he'd been\nin Congress more"}, {'start': '2988.185', 'end': '2989.553', 'text': 'than anybody in our'}, {'start': '2989.553', 'end': '2990.287', 'text': 'lobbyists, who\nwas wonderful.'}, {'start': '2990.287', 'end': '2992.723', 'text': 'Only God talks to\nJohn Dingle. Well,'}, {'start': '2992.723', 'end': '2994.191', 'text': 'John Dingle wanted to'}, {'start': '2994.191', 'end': '2996.794', 'text': "talk to me. And not\nbecause I'm wonderful,"}, {'start': '2996.794', 'end': '2997.828', 'text': "but he even he'd"}, {'start': '2997.828', 'end': '3000.364', 'text': 'heard about this issue\nbecause we pushed it hard.'}, {'start': '3001.131', 'end': '3004.368', 'text': 'And we got a federal\nchange in the federal'}, {'start': '3004.368', 'end': '3005.536', 'text': 'law for liquid'}, {'start': '3005.536', 'end': '3006.704', 'text': "pipelines. Now,\nit didn't make it"}, {'start': '3006.704', 'end': '3008.172', 'text': 'perfect, but it\nwent a long way.'}, {'start': '3008.172', 'end': '3011.675', 'text': 'We got lots of money in\nthe settlement from Olympic'}, {'start': '3011.675', 'end': '3014.979', 'text': 'Pipeline Company,\nand we designated'}, {'start': '3014.979', 'end': '3016.881', 'text': 'it for the pipeline'}, {'start': '3016.881', 'end': '3019.183', 'text': 'safety trust to\nget them started.'}, {'start': '3020.417', 'end': '3022.753', 'text': 'We got the state\nlaw changed, and I'}, {'start': '3022.753', 'end': '3024.021', 'text': 'realized we need a'}, {'start': '3024.021', 'end': '3027.024', 'text': 'lobbyist all the time.\nSo we hired a full'}, {'start': '3027.024', 'end': '3028.392', 'text': '-time lobbyist for'}, {'start': '3028.392', 'end': '3031.428', 'text': 'the for the state to\ndeal with Olympia.'}, {'start': '3032.263', 'end': '3034.865', 'text': 'And we had a retainer\nagreement for'}, {'start': '3034.865', 'end': '3036.367', 'text': 'Olympia back in the'}, {'start': '3036.367', 'end': '3039.603', 'text': 'days when we did\nearmarks, which is why'}, {'start': '3039.603', 'end': '3041.272', 'text': 'you are walk, enjoy'}, {'start': '3041.272', 'end': '3044.008', 'text': 'walking on the over\nwater walkway at'}, {'start': '3044.008', 'end': '3045.276', 'text': 'Boulevard Park and\nthings like that.'}, {'start': '3045.276', 'end': '3050.014', 'text': 'And I can go on and on and\non and all those kinds of'}, {'start': '3050.014', 'end': '3053.884', 'text': "things. I mean, we I learned\nthat. But, okay, so what's I"}, {'start': '3053.884', 'end': '3056.053', 'text': 'thought the issue is going\nto be administrative.'}, {'start': '3056.387', 'end': '3058.956', 'text': 'I spent the first\nyear really getting'}, {'start': '3058.956', 'end': '3060.291', 'text': 'to know how things'}, {'start': '3060.291', 'end': '3062.826', 'text': 'were operating and\nwho was really doing'}, {'start': '3062.826', 'end': '3064.128', 'text': 'what and getting to'}, {'start': '3064.128', 'end': '3065.829', 'text': 'know the staff and\ngetting and really'}, {'start': '3065.829', 'end': '3066.730', 'text': 'getting to know the'}, {'start': '3066.730', 'end': '3068.265', 'text': 'department head and\nfinding the weaknesses.'}, {'start': '3069.266', 'end': '3073.737', 'text': 'But what what ended up\nbeing the real problem was'}, {'start': '3073.737', 'end': '3080.144', 'text': 'astounding population growth\nby the end and then in the'}, {'start': '3080.144', 'end': '3084.214', 'text': 'attendant dramatic increase\nin the price of housing.'}, {'start': '3085.282', 'end': '3087.117', 'text': 'And this is an\nissue that the state'}, {'start': '3087.117', 'end': '3088.285', 'text': 'legislature has taken'}, {'start': '3088.285', 'end': '3091.755', 'text': "on directly. And\nI'll tell you, by"}, {'start': '3091.755', 'end': '3093.991', 'text': 'the end of my term, I'}, {'start': '3093.991', 'end': '3096.293', 'text': 'mean, I used to\ndescribe myself'}, {'start': '3096.293', 'end': '3098.228', 'text': 'as the most liberal\nperson I know.'}, {'start': '3098.228', 'end': '3099.830', 'text': "I don't think I am\nanymore, but I don't"}, {'start': '3099.830', 'end': '3101.265', 'text': "think I've changed."}, {'start': '3101.265', 'end': '3103.968', 'text': 'But I used to describe\nafter a while, I described'}, {'start': '3103.968', 'end': '3107.171', 'text': 'Bellingham after it got over'}, {'start': '3107.171', 'end': '3108.305', 'text': 'the period of\nbeing conservative.'}, {'start': '3108.305', 'end': '3112.142', 'text': 'I described Bellingham\nas being a reactionary'}, {'start': '3112.142', 'end': '3113.978', 'text': 'liberal town.'}, {'start': '3113.978', 'end': '3117.915', 'text': 'We have all the right values\non all the important issues.'}, {'start': '3117.915', 'end': '3120.184', 'text': "Just don't change\nanything near me."}, {'start': '3120.851', 'end': '3124.455', 'text': "Just don't change\nanything near me. And"}, {'start': '3124.455', 'end': '3126.290', 'text': "that I think that's"}, {'start': '3126.290', 'end': '3128.993', 'text': 'probably still the case. And\nwere it not for the state'}, {'start': '3128.993', 'end': '3131.962', 'text': 'legislature\nbasically eliminating'}, {'start': '3131.962', 'end': '3134.264', 'text': 'single family zoning,\nit would still be here.'}, {'start': '3135.299', 'end': '3138.836', 'text': "And I don't know if\nyou've read Ezra"}, {'start': '3138.836', 'end': '3141.105', 'text': "Klein's book Abundance"}, {'start': '3141.105', 'end': '3144.375', 'text': "or are familiar\nwith the you're all"}, {'start': '3144.375', 'end': '3146.543', 'text': 'familiar with the term'}, {'start': '3146.543', 'end': '3149.380', 'text': 'Yimby, which is\nyes in my backyard.'}, {'start': '3150.114', 'end': '3152.383', 'text': "But the argument he\nmakes and he's not really"}, {'start': '3152.383', 'end': '3155.452', 'text': 'argumentative, but\nhe says you cannot'}, {'start': '3155.452', 'end': '3157.187', 'text': 'be a progressive and'}, {'start': '3157.187', 'end': '3160.290', 'text': 'be in favor of\nsingle family zoning.'}, {'start': '3160.290', 'end': '3164.395', 'text': "It's not possible. You\ncannot be politically or"}, {'start': '3164.395', 'end': '3167.297', 'text': 'ideologically\nprogressive. You cannot'}, {'start': '3167.297', 'end': '3168.999', 'text': 'be in favor of ending'}, {'start': '3168.999', 'end': '3171.235', 'text': 'homelessness and\nproviding housing'}, {'start': '3171.235', 'end': '3175.239', 'text': 'and support single\nfamily zone zoning.'}, {'start': '3175.739', 'end': '3180.644', 'text': "It's racist. It's\neconomic, socioeconomically"}, {'start': '3180.644', 'end': '3182.079', 'text': 'exclusionary'}, {'start': '3182.079', 'end': '3185.883', 'text': 'to an extraordinary degree.\nAnd we have ended up with a'}, {'start': '3185.883', 'end': '3188.252', 'text': 'town where I live in\nthe Leonard streets.'}, {'start': '3188.252', 'end': '3189.186', 'text': 'My grandparents'}, {'start': '3189.186', 'end': '3191.422', 'text': 'live in the Leonard\nstreets with a wood stove.'}, {'start': '3191.989', 'end': '3193.891', 'text': "I live in the Leonard\nstreets. It's a fabulous"}, {'start': '3193.891', 'end': '3196.760', 'text': 'neighborhood. My\nhouse is worth a'}, {'start': '3196.760', 'end': '3200.030', 'text': 'million bucks. I\nmean, seriously.'}, {'start': '3201.265', 'end': '3206.036', 'text': "People can't the first house\nI bought in Bellingham cost"}, {'start': '3206.036', 'end': '3209.773', 'text': 'six thousand eight\nhundred and fifty'}, {'start': '3209.773', 'end': '3212.176', 'text': 'dollars. And it was in'}, {'start': '3212.176', 'end': '3214.445', 'text': "the York edition.\nI mean, it's a it's"}, {'start': '3214.445', 'end': '3215.612', 'text': 'a wonderful house.'}, {'start': '3215.612', 'end': '3218.115', 'text': "It's still it. It's\nit's probably worth"}, {'start': '3218.115', 'end': '3219.383', 'text': 'three quarters of a'}, {'start': '3219.383', 'end': '3223.120', 'text': "million bucks. You know,\nnow that's untenable."}, {'start': '3223.620', 'end': '3225.889', 'text': "We have to have\nhousing. We can't have"}, {'start': '3225.889', 'end': '3227.124', 'text': "housing if we can't."}, {'start': '3227.124', 'end': '3229.760', 'text': "There's no more land.\nWe have to change"}, {'start': '3229.760', 'end': '3232.763', 'text': 'the way we use our land\nand we have to love.'}, {'start': '3233.397', 'end': '3238.068', 'text': 'We have to love our we have\nto love our fellow community'}, {'start': '3238.068', 'end': '3241.438', 'text': 'members enough to be willing\nto share our community with'}, {'start': '3241.438', 'end': '3243.240', 'text': 'them, including\nthe land that'}, {'start': '3243.240', 'end': '3245.242', 'text': 'our community\nis comprised of.'}, {'start': '3246.276', 'end': '3251.882', 'text': "So that's where it ended as\nbeing the big issue, which I"}, {'start': '3251.882', 'end': '3253.617', 'text': 'think is still true\ntoday. Yes. Like'}, {'start': '3253.617', 'end': '3255.452', 'text': "I don't think\nanything has I didn't."}, {'start': '3255.452', 'end': '3257.488', 'text': 'And I think we\ncontinue to work on it,'}, {'start': '3257.488', 'end': '3258.622', 'text': 'obviously. But yeah,'}, {'start': '3258.622', 'end': '3260.424', 'text': "that's exactly right.\nI mean, when you're"}, {'start': '3260.424', 'end': '3261.225', 'text': "first when you're"}, {'start': '3261.225', 'end': '3263.093', 'text': 'when a starter home\nin Bellingham is six'}, {'start': '3263.093', 'end': '3264.294', 'text': 'hundred thousand dollars,\nwe have a problem.'}, {'start': '3264.294', 'end': '3267.164', 'text': 'We have a huge\nproblem. I remember'}, {'start': '3267.164', 'end': '3271.268', 'text': 'standing in the in the.'}, {'start': '3271.268', 'end': '3274.404', 'text': 'At Fairhaven Middle School,\nthe big meeting about the'}, {'start': '3274.404', 'end': '3277.608', 'text': 'hundred acre wood.\nOK, now the south'}, {'start': '3277.608', 'end': '3279.476', 'text': 'side is very blessed'}, {'start': '3279.476', 'end': '3281.311', 'text': 'with open space and\npark facilities.'}, {'start': '3281.311', 'end': '3284.982', 'text': 'And the issue was\nabout whether or not'}, {'start': '3284.982', 'end': '3287.017', 'text': 'this property, which'}, {'start': '3287.017', 'end': '3290.020', 'text': 'had forever been\nzoned for development'}, {'start': '3290.020', 'end': '3291.655', 'text': 'of housing, would be'}, {'start': '3291.655', 'end': '3296.493', 'text': 'go forward as it\nwas zoned or whether'}, {'start': '3296.493', 'end': '3299.129', 'text': 'it would be denied,'}, {'start': '3299.129', 'end': '3301.198', 'text': 'which would be\nillegal because of'}, {'start': '3301.198', 'end': '3303.300', 'text': 'the zoning or what\nultimately happened.'}, {'start': '3303.300', 'end': '3306.470', 'text': 'A park district\nwas very carefully'}, {'start': '3306.470', 'end': '3308.539', 'text': 'designed so as to get'}, {'start': '3308.539', 'end': '3310.207', 'text': 'enough votes to purchase it'}, {'start': '3310.207', 'end': '3311.875', 'text': 'and keep it from\nbeing developed.'}, {'start': '3313.010', 'end': '3314.745', 'text': "Well, that's I don't\nknow if it was quite"}, {'start': '3314.745', 'end': '3315.879', 'text': 'a hundred acres.'}, {'start': '3315.879', 'end': '3319.049', 'text': 'But the thing is,\nby taking that land'}, {'start': '3319.049', 'end': '3320.851', 'text': 'out of the inventory'}, {'start': '3320.851', 'end': '3326.223', 'text': 'of available land for\nhousing, then that action.'}, {'start': '3327.291', 'end': '3331.995', 'text': 'Increase the price of every\nhome in Bellingham. OK, and'}, {'start': '3331.995', 'end': '3336.667', 'text': "every time an acre is taken\naway, you're you're taking"}, {'start': '3336.667', 'end': '3339.536', 'text': "you're making housing\nmore important, expensive."}, {'start': '3340.204', 'end': '3343.140', 'text': 'And every time the\ncity takes an action,'}, {'start': '3343.140', 'end': '3344.408', 'text': 'increasing water'}, {'start': '3344.408', 'end': '3347.477', 'text': 'bills, increasing sewer\nbills, increasing connection'}, {'start': '3347.477', 'end': '3351.248', 'text': 'charges, increasing garbage\nrates, whatever it might be.'}, {'start': '3352.049', 'end': '3355.118', 'text': 'It makes housing\nless affordable and'}, {'start': '3355.118', 'end': '3356.720', 'text': 'it makes it so our'}, {'start': '3356.720', 'end': '3359.790', 'text': 'city employees, our\nschool teachers,'}, {'start': '3359.790', 'end': '3362.226', 'text': 'our police officers,'}, {'start': '3362.226', 'end': '3364.394', 'text': 'everybody that works\nhere that is not at'}, {'start': '3364.394', 'end': '3365.429', 'text': 'an executive level'}, {'start': '3365.429', 'end': '3370.834', 'text': 'or living off a secondary\nform of income or have an'}, {'start': '3370.834', 'end': '3372.936', 'text': 'extraordinary\nlaw practice or'}, {'start': '3372.936', 'end': '3374.238', 'text': 'veterinary practice\nor the like.'}, {'start': '3375.272', 'end': '3378.642', 'text': "Just can't afford\nto live. There's two"}, {'start': '3378.642', 'end': '3380.344', 'text': 'kinds of people in'}, {'start': '3380.344', 'end': '3382.579', 'text': "the United States today, and\nthat's true of Bellingham."}, {'start': '3383.180', 'end': '3386.750', 'text': "There's people that worry\nabout money all the time."}, {'start': '3387.884', 'end': '3390.754', 'text': "And that's more\nthan 50 percent."}, {'start': '3391.622', 'end': '3393.257', 'text': "And there's a much\nsmaller percentage."}, {'start': '3394.258', 'end': '3397.461', 'text': "And no, not much.\nThere's there's a"}, {'start': '3397.461', 'end': '3399.463', 'text': "percentage that don't"}, {'start': '3399.463', 'end': '3400.831', 'text': "worry about money.\nThey don't have"}, {'start': '3400.831', 'end': '3401.698', 'text': "private jets. They're"}, {'start': '3401.698', 'end': '3403.734', 'text': "not in the one percent.\nThey're not even in the five"}, {'start': '3403.734', 'end': '3405.269', 'text': "percent, but they\ndon't worry about"}, {'start': '3405.269', 'end': '3406.870', 'text': 'money all the time.'}, {'start': '3406.870', 'end': '3412.643', 'text': 'And the people in power in\nBellingham and in any other'}, {'start': '3412.643', 'end': '3415.879', 'text': 'lovely community\ntend to represent the'}, {'start': '3415.879', 'end': '3417.281', 'text': 'people that never have\nto worry about money.'}, {'start': '3417.281', 'end': '3421.752', 'text': 'And I think we have\nto worry. I think'}, {'start': '3421.752', 'end': '3423.920', 'text': 'elected officials'}, {'start': '3423.920', 'end': '3427.557', 'text': 'have a duty to worry\nabout the people'}, {'start': '3427.557', 'end': '3430.661', 'text': 'that worry about\nmoney all the time.'}, {'start': '3431.461', 'end': '3433.530', 'text': 'You have a comment.\nI do have a comment'}, {'start': '3433.530', 'end': '3434.431', 'text': 'about affordable'}, {'start': '3434.431', 'end': '3440.270', 'text': "housing. I put my other\nhat on. I've been in the"}, {'start': '3440.270', 'end': '3441.305', 'text': 'development business\nfor a while.'}, {'start': '3441.305', 'end': '3445.909', 'text': 'I think that the\npublic agencies are'}, {'start': '3445.909', 'end': '3448.578', 'text': 'making a big mistake'}, {'start': '3448.578', 'end': '3451.748', 'text': 'and have made a\nbig mistake by not'}, {'start': '3451.748', 'end': '3453.250', 'text': 'stepping up with\nthe infrastructure.'}, {'start': '3454.284', 'end': '3459.156', 'text': 'Give you an example.\nHad almost 500 acres'}, {'start': '3459.156', 'end': '3461.158', 'text': 'on the border in'}, {'start': '3461.158', 'end': '3466.129', 'text': 'Blaine. That 500\nacres took 20 years to'}, {'start': '3466.129', 'end': '3471.268', 'text': 'plan for a thousand\nhouses, 1013 houses.'}, {'start': '3472.269', 'end': '3476.640', 'text': 'The biggest problem\nwas the infrastructure.'}, {'start': '3476.640', 'end': '3478.175', 'text': 'The state, the'}, {'start': '3478.175', 'end': '3485.115', 'text': 'county had 30 million\ndollars of money, EDI money.'}, {'start': '3486.883', 'end': '3489.820', 'text': 'It was under contract with a\ndeveloper that was going to'}, {'start': '3489.820', 'end': '3492.556', 'text': 'create very, very\nenvironmentally'}, {'start': '3492.556', 'end': '3496.293', 'text': 'sensitive project.\nEverything was well planned.'}, {'start': '3496.293', 'end': '3500.097', 'text': 'The county did not\nwant to step up. And'}, {'start': '3500.097', 'end': '3502.032', 'text': "that's not only the"}, {'start': '3502.032', 'end': '3506.503', 'text': 'county. I mean, you take the\nport or you take the city.'}, {'start': '3507.371', 'end': '3510.607', 'text': 'They need to step up\nwith infrastructure'}, {'start': '3510.607', 'end': '3512.042', 'text': "when it's needed,"}, {'start': '3512.042', 'end': '3514.311', 'text': "even if it's on a\nloan basis because"}, {'start': '3514.311', 'end': '3516.413', 'text': "you don't finance\nthat kind of stuff."}, {'start': '3516.413', 'end': '3517.314', 'text': "You're absolutely right."}, {'start': '3517.314', 'end': '3520.384', 'text': 'I was just so\ndisappointed. What'}, {'start': '3520.384', 'end': '3522.886', 'text': 'happened to that piece of'}, {'start': '3522.886', 'end': '3526.256', 'text': "ground? Somebody\nbought it. It's not"}, {'start': '3526.256', 'end': '3528.225', 'text': 'going to develop it.'}, {'start': '3528.225', 'end': '3529.559', 'text': "They're going\nto keep it as it"}, {'start': '3529.559', 'end': '3532.262', 'text': "is because it's\nnicer that way."}, {'start': '3533.263', 'end': '3536.099', 'text': "Now that and this\nproperty isn't in"}, {'start': '3536.099', 'end': '3537.901', 'text': "the flood plain. It's"}, {'start': '3537.901', 'end': '3542.506', 'text': "not forestry\nproperty. It's not"}, {'start': '3542.506', 'end': '3550.247', 'text': "sensitive. It's\nperfect for that use."}, {'start': '3551.281', 'end': '3555.752', 'text': 'What happens? Nobody\nsteps up. Nobody'}, {'start': '3555.752', 'end': '3559.055', 'text': 'has the guts in the\ngovernment anymore.'}, {'start': '3559.256', 'end': '3562.426', 'text': "However, I'll give you one\nor counter. You are right"}, {'start': '3562.426', 'end': '3566.763', 'text': 'factually, except for with\nregard to Mayor Lund, who'}, {'start': '3566.763', 'end': '3570.267', 'text': 'overruled the public\nworks director who'}, {'start': '3570.267', 'end': '3571.868', 'text': 'would not approve'}, {'start': '3571.868', 'end': '3576.273', 'text': 'putting in adequate\nsewerage out on the radio.'}, {'start': '3576.273', 'end': '3580.444', 'text': "And you've seen the\nthe construction now"}, {'start': '3580.444', 'end': '3582.312', 'text': 'where twenty five'}, {'start': '3582.312', 'end': '3584.781', 'text': 'hundred units of\nhousing were in peril'}, {'start': '3584.781', 'end': '3586.082', 'text': 'because he said the'}, {'start': '3586.082', 'end': '3588.051', 'text': 'bids were too high\nas if the price'}, {'start': '3588.051', 'end': '3589.486', 'text': 'is going to go\ndown in the future.'}, {'start': '3589.486', 'end': '3592.022', 'text': 'And she overruled him.\nAnd that infrastructure'}, {'start': '3592.022', 'end': '3592.756', 'text': 'is being put'}, {'start': '3592.756', 'end': '3595.192', 'text': "in. And that's the\nkind of thing that"}, {'start': '3595.192', 'end': '3596.626', 'text': 'has to happen. I used'}, {'start': '3596.626', 'end': '3599.129', 'text': 'to get a lot of\ncrap because we'}, {'start': '3599.129', 'end': '3602.265', 'text': 'put sewer in the\nguide meridian area.'}, {'start': '3602.265', 'end': '3607.037', 'text': 'Or we put water in\nthe sunset area. But'}, {'start': '3607.037', 'end': '3610.073', 'text': 'look at the growth.'}, {'start': '3610.073', 'end': '3611.241', 'text': 'No, you know,\nwhat did you do'}, {'start': '3611.241', 'end': '3612.776', 'text': 'that for? Look\nat what happened.'}, {'start': '3613.577', 'end': '3615.479', 'text': 'So, you know, some\nof that stuff, if'}, {'start': '3615.479', 'end': '3617.481', 'text': "you've got to step up,"}, {'start': '3617.481', 'end': '3620.050', 'text': 'the public agencies\nhave to suck their'}, {'start': '3620.050', 'end': '3621.485', 'text': 'guts up, step up and'}, {'start': '3621.485', 'end': '3622.819', 'text': 'do some of this\ninfrastructure.'}, {'start': '3624.488', 'end': '3625.255', 'text': 'They got the money.'}, {'start': '3626.289', 'end': '3629.759', 'text': 'Can I get the\nborrowing capacity?'}, {'start': '3630.660', 'end': '3635.966', 'text': 'Can I just add one comment\non the housing thing, as we'}, {'start': '3635.966', 'end': '3638.001', 'text': 'talked about earlier,\nwhen Joanne and I'}, {'start': '3638.001', 'end': '3638.935', 'text': 'first got here in'}, {'start': '3638.935', 'end': '3642.072', 'text': 'the sixty seven\nfrom what started at'}, {'start': '3642.072', 'end': '3643.807', 'text': 'Western, we had two'}, {'start': '3643.807', 'end': '3647.277', 'text': 'apartments that we were\nable to choose from.'}, {'start': '3647.277', 'end': '3649.646', 'text': 'That was all in\nBellingham. And those'}, {'start': '3649.646', 'end': '3651.948', 'text': 'were not high rents.'}, {'start': '3651.948', 'end': '3654.551', 'text': 'They were nothing\ncompared to'}, {'start': '3654.551', 'end': '3656.686', 'text': "not even close\nto today's rent."}, {'start': '3657.020', 'end': '3659.356', 'text': 'But there just was\nno housing capacity.'}, {'start': '3659.356', 'end': '3660.457', 'text': 'Nothing was being'}, {'start': '3660.457', 'end': '3662.659', 'text': 'built in Bellingham\nat that time,'}, {'start': '3663.960', 'end': '3665.228', 'text': 'especially like in\nmultiple housing.'}, {'start': '3666.296', 'end': '3671.468', 'text': "And I'm I'm watching what's\nhappening now and realizing"}, {'start': '3671.468', 'end': '3674.037', 'text': 'when when I was in\noffice, fortunately,'}, {'start': '3674.037', 'end': '3675.372', 'text': 'it was at a time in'}, {'start': '3675.372', 'end': '3678.241', 'text': 'which we recognized we just\ndid not have enough housing.'}, {'start': '3678.742', 'end': '3681.044', 'text': 'And so what we did\nis we reached out'}, {'start': '3681.044', 'end': '3682.245', 'text': 'to the development'}, {'start': '3682.245', 'end': '3686.483', 'text': 'community and said, if we\ninvested some infrastructure'}, {'start': '3686.483', 'end': '3692.155', 'text': 'money, that is like in water\nsewer service somewhere in'}, {'start': '3692.155', 'end': '3693.256', 'text': 'Bellingham, where\nwould you suggest?'}, {'start': '3693.256', 'end': '3696.860', 'text': 'Where would it make\na difference to you?'}, {'start': '3696.860', 'end': '3698.595', 'text': 'And they were very'}, {'start': '3698.595', 'end': '3700.597', 'text': 'responsive and came\nup with suggestions.'}, {'start': '3700.597', 'end': '3702.832', 'text': 'Well, the main thing\nthat either was to'}, {'start': '3702.832', 'end': '3703.934', 'text': 'be way south, like'}, {'start': '3703.934', 'end': '3705.535', 'text': 'way south of\nhere, which would'}, {'start': '3705.535', 'end': '3707.404', 'text': 'have been just\nhorrendously expensive.'}, {'start': '3707.704', 'end': '3713.510', 'text': "So we couldn't do that. But\njust from Lakeway on down"}, {'start': '3713.510', 'end': '3717.380', 'text': 'downslope from\nLakeway, as you go out'}, {'start': '3717.380', 'end': '3720.250', 'text': 'of downtown, that area\nwas not developed.'}, {'start': '3720.617', 'end': '3725.288', 'text': 'It had streams going\nthrough, etc., etc.'}, {'start': '3725.922', 'end': '3729.125', 'text': 'And but it had no\nwater or sewer service.'}, {'start': '3729.426', 'end': '3733.129', 'text': "And so we decided we're\ngoing to do that. And OK,"}, {'start': '3733.129', 'end': '3734.898', 'text': "development community,\nwe're going to do that."}, {'start': '3734.898', 'end': '3738.134', 'text': "And you're you need to come\nforward then with really"}, {'start': '3738.134', 'end': '3739.302', 'text': 'committing to do\nsome housing there.'}, {'start': '3739.302', 'end': '3742.606', 'text': 'And we put the water\nand sewer service'}, {'start': '3742.606', 'end': '3744.274', 'text': 'down to the bottom'}, {'start': '3744.274', 'end': '3749.312', 'text': 'there. And we had\nthe we had a couple'}, {'start': '3749.312', 'end': '3752.148', 'text': 'of brothers who were'}, {'start': '3752.148', 'end': '3754.284', 'text': 'willing to do some building\nthere and canoyers.'}, {'start': '3754.284', 'end': '3761.925', 'text': 'And they did the first ever\nof our of our neighborhoods'}, {'start': '3761.925', 'end': '3764.761', 'text': 'that were where we\nkind of concentrated'}, {'start': '3764.761', 'end': '3766.229', 'text': 'on somewhat smaller'}, {'start': '3766.229', 'end': '3768.665', 'text': 'lots and then\nkept green belt'}, {'start': '3768.665', 'end': '3770.066', 'text': 'stuff around that\nand everything.'}, {'start': '3770.066', 'end': '3772.502', 'text': "It was the first\ntime we'd ever pulled"}, {'start': '3772.502', 'end': '3773.837', 'text': 'that off and and had'}, {'start': '3773.837', 'end': '3775.305', 'text': 'that. And they did\na wonderful job.'}, {'start': '3775.305', 'end': '3778.942', 'text': "And it's it's continued\nto do very well"}, {'start': '3778.942', 'end': '3780.644', 'text': 'there. And now we'}, {'start': '3780.644', 'end': '3782.846', 'text': 'have the ball fields\ndown there and all'}, {'start': '3782.846', 'end': '3783.813', 'text': 'sorts of things.'}, {'start': '3783.813', 'end': '3787.651', 'text': "So it's it's become a really\nnice part of Bellingham and"}, {'start': '3787.651', 'end': '3789.352', 'text': 'has really added\nhousing. But we are'}, {'start': '3789.352', 'end': '3790.286', 'text': 'going to have to do'}, {'start': '3790.286', 'end': '3794.257', 'text': 'something very active like\nthat to really seed things.'}, {'start': '3794.791', 'end': '3797.327', 'text': "It's interesting. All\nthree of you really"}, {'start': '3797.327', 'end': '3798.328', 'text': 'are very strong'}, {'start': '3798.328', 'end': '3800.163', 'text': "in that. Right. If\nwe're going to deal"}, {'start': '3800.163', 'end': '3800.964', 'text': 'with the housing'}, {'start': '3800.964', 'end': '3804.034', 'text': 'issue, there has to be a\npartnership between the'}, {'start': '3804.034', 'end': '3805.669', 'text': 'municipalities,\ngovernment and private.'}, {'start': '3805.935', 'end': '3809.005', 'text': "It's not going to happen\nwith either one alone. Yeah."}, {'start': '3809.005', 'end': '3811.808', 'text': "If I can just throw out,\nsince I'm so shy about my"}, {'start': '3811.808', 'end': '3815.979', 'text': 'opinions, we have two\nlow income housing'}, {'start': '3815.979', 'end': '3817.981', 'text': 'levies on the that'}, {'start': '3817.981', 'end': '3820.950', 'text': 'we pay property taxes for as\nwell as I think a tenth of a'}, {'start': '3820.950', 'end': '3822.152', 'text': 'cent or two tenths of a cent'}, {'start': '3822.152', 'end': '3824.287', 'text': 'sales tax that go\nfor which is fine.'}, {'start': '3825.288', 'end': '3829.693', 'text': 'And there is probably\na bit of a role for'}, {'start': '3829.693', 'end': '3831.628', 'text': 'the government to'}, {'start': '3831.628', 'end': '3834.731', 'text': 'actually build the\nhousing. Maybe.'}, {'start': '3836.299', 'end': '3840.570', 'text': "We're doing that now. The\nAloha Motel, for example."}, {'start': '3842.472', 'end': '3845.341', 'text': "Nothing wrong with it. Just\nthat per unit, it's really,"}, {'start': '3845.341', 'end': '3847.310', 'text': 'really, really\nexpensive when'}, {'start': '3847.310', 'end': '3848.244', 'text': 'the government\nbuilds it. Okay.'}, {'start': '3848.244', 'end': '3852.015', 'text': 'Might be better off.'}, {'start': '3855.652', 'end': '3856.252', 'text': 'Rethinking.'}, {'start': '3858.054', 'end': '3861.691', 'text': "Well, they didn't exist\nwhen you can and Tim were in"}, {'start': '3861.691', 'end': '3865.328', 'text': 'office. They were put in\nplace when I was in office.'}, {'start': '3866.896', 'end': '3868.665', 'text': "So it's my fault. Okay."}, {'start': '3869.599', 'end': '3872.268', 'text': "And they're the latecomer\nfees for the water and sewer"}, {'start': '3872.268', 'end': '3873.703', 'text': 'system. And then and then'}, {'start': '3873.703', 'end': '3875.238', 'text': 'after I left the\nparks department.'}, {'start': '3875.538', 'end': '3881.077', 'text': 'So for a building permit in\nthe county for the identical'}, {'start': '3881.077', 'end': '3883.146', 'text': "same. Let's say\nyou're building a"}, {'start': '3883.146', 'end': '3885.048', 'text': 'single family home.'}, {'start': '3885.048', 'end': '3887.117', 'text': 'It would be like\nthree or three to six'}, {'start': '3887.117', 'end': '3888.251', 'text': 'thousand dollars for'}, {'start': '3888.251', 'end': '3891.554', 'text': 'the permit in the county\nwill be thirty thousand plus'}, {'start': '3891.554', 'end': '3894.124', 'text': 'whatever the permit\nfee is in the'}, {'start': '3894.124', 'end': '3896.259', 'text': 'city of Bellingham\nbecause of the.'}, {'start': '3897.260', 'end': '3900.897', 'text': 'Well, latecomer\ncharges for the water'}, {'start': '3900.897', 'end': '3904.901', 'text': 'and sewer and then\nyour park impact fees.'}, {'start': '3906.269', 'end': '3908.905', 'text': 'And so I hear and\nhonestly I hear a'}, {'start': '3908.905', 'end': '3910.740', 'text': 'whole lot of discussion'}, {'start': '3910.740', 'end': '3913.042', 'text': "and I'm not picking\non any council member"}, {'start': '3913.042', 'end': '3914.077', 'text': 'because I hear it'}, {'start': '3914.077', 'end': '3916.980', 'text': 'from state legislators\nto talking about'}, {'start': '3916.980', 'end': '3918.481', 'text': 'how important it is'}, {'start': '3918.481', 'end': '3921.184', 'text': 'that we have compact\ncommunities address'}, {'start': '3921.184', 'end': '3922.285', 'text': 'climate change.'}, {'start': '3922.285', 'end': '3925.388', 'text': 'We make housing more\naffordable while'}, {'start': '3925.388', 'end': '3926.823', 'text': 'at the same time'}, {'start': '3926.823', 'end': '3929.392', 'text': 'adopting things\nthat just make it'}, {'start': '3929.392', 'end': '3932.262', 'text': 'abs. I mean arithmetic\nis pretty simple.'}, {'start': '3932.629', 'end': '3936.232', 'text': 'If you make the bait if you\nmake a building permit costs'}, {'start': '3936.232', 'end': '3940.170', 'text': "thirty five thousand dollars\nhere and you won't be in an"}, {'start': '3940.170', 'end': '3943.039', 'text': 'area where somebody\ncould actually catch'}, {'start': '3943.039', 'end': '3944.407', 'text': 'the bus or walk to'}, {'start': '3944.407', 'end': '3947.710', 'text': 'work or ride their\nbike or three thousand'}, {'start': '3947.710', 'end': '3949.179', 'text': 'dollars ten miles'}, {'start': '3949.179', 'end': '3950.280', 'text': 'away where they\nhave to drive.'}, {'start': '3950.280', 'end': '3953.583', 'text': 'Where are most people\ngoing to go when'}, {'start': '3953.583', 'end': '3955.318', 'text': "it's tough to get a"}, {'start': '3955.318', 'end': '3958.254', 'text': 'mortgage that at seven\nand a half percent today.'}, {'start': '3959.322', 'end': '3961.991', 'text': 'So I think we do\nbetter using some of'}, {'start': '3961.991', 'end': '3963.493', 'text': 'the money instead of'}, {'start': '3963.493', 'end': '3966.596', 'text': 'building things\nunderwriting the'}, {'start': '3966.596', 'end': '3969.265', 'text': 'infrastructure to make it\npossible for things now.'}, {'start': '3969.766', 'end': '3971.701', 'text': "That's not."}, {'start': '3973.269', 'end': '3975.638', 'text': "I'm not naive. I\nunderstand how business"}, {'start': '3975.638', 'end': '3976.639', 'text': 'works if you say'}, {'start': '3976.639', 'end': '3980.043', 'text': "we'll get rid of\nthe impact fees for"}, {'start': '3980.043', 'end': '3982.779', 'text': 'housing to lower the\nprice of housing.'}, {'start': '3984.380', 'end': '3987.217', 'text': 'The price of housing\nis set by the market.'}, {'start': '3987.217', 'end': '3988.351', 'text': 'So just lowering'}, {'start': '3988.351', 'end': '3988.952', 'text': 'the impact fees is\nnot going to lower'}, {'start': '3988.952', 'end': '3989.319', 'text': 'the price of housing.'}, {'start': '3989.319', 'end': '3992.288', 'text': 'So if somebody is\ngetting an advantage'}, {'start': '3992.288', 'end': '3993.857', 'text': 'from the government'}, {'start': '3993.857', 'end': '3995.725', 'text': 'who is a builder\nthey have to pass it'}, {'start': '3995.725', 'end': '3996.726', 'text': 'on and there has to'}, {'start': '3996.726', 'end': '3999.095', 'text': 'be a mechanism to\nmake sure that until'}, {'start': '3999.095', 'end': '4000.363', 'text': 'we get to the point'}, {'start': '4000.363', 'end': '4005.668', 'text': "of equilibrium where there's\nhousing availability is"}, {'start': '4005.668', 'end': '4008.338', 'text': 'expanding at the\nrate that people are'}, {'start': '4008.338', 'end': '4010.907', 'text': 'moving to Bellingham.'}, {'start': '4010.907', 'end': '4011.774', 'text': "I think we're\nscrewed. I don't think"}, {'start': '4011.774', 'end': '4012.308', 'text': "there's any solution."}, {'start': '4012.308', 'end': '4014.844', 'text': "I don't think there's\nany solution. And"}, {'start': '4014.844', 'end': '4016.079', 'text': 'the. And we should'}, {'start': '4016.079', 'end': '4019.716', 'text': "get rid of these Airbnb's\nonce and forever. Talk about"}, {'start': '4019.716', 'end': '4022.619', 'text': 'ruining things.\nAnd what a waste of'}, {'start': '4022.619', 'end': '4024.420', 'text': 'housing resource. And'}, {'start': '4024.420', 'end': '4029.192', 'text': 'finally nobody\nshould own two homes.'}, {'start': '4031.261', 'end': '4031.394', 'text': 'Period.'}, {'start': '4034.097', 'end': '4036.366', 'text': 'I love this conversation\nbecause it is.'}, {'start': '4036.366', 'end': '4037.367', 'text': 'This is probably'}, {'start': '4037.367', 'end': '4039.669', 'text': 'the biggest most\ncontentious conversation'}, {'start': '4039.669', 'end': '4040.603', 'text': 'in our community'}, {'start': '4040.603', 'end': '4042.906', 'text': 'over and over and\nover again. Other'}, {'start': '4042.906', 'end': '4044.274', 'text': 'things flare up. But'}, {'start': '4044.274', 'end': '4045.842', 'text': 'this one has been\naround a long'}, {'start': '4045.842', 'end': '4047.911', 'text': 'time and we are\nstill going after it.'}, {'start': '4047.911', 'end': '4048.878', 'text': "It's a really interesting"}, {'start': '4048.878', 'end': '4051.281', 'text': 'conversation. So thanks\nfor those answers.'}, {'start': '4051.281', 'end': '4054.284', 'text': "Okay. I'm going to interrupt\nwhen I say don't own two"}, {'start': '4054.284', 'end': '4056.219', 'text': 'homes. I say you can\nhave two homes. You'}, {'start': '4056.219', 'end': '4057.086', 'text': 'can own 20 if you'}, {'start': '4057.086', 'end': '4060.089', 'text': 'rent 19 of modern you know\nfair market. Okay. Good'}, {'start': '4060.089', 'end': '4062.792', 'text': 'clarification\nfor you. For you.'}, {'start': '4063.226', 'end': '4066.529', 'text': "We use one six months of the\nyear and leave it empty. I'm"}, {'start': '4066.529', 'end': '4068.965', 'text': "going to talk to my sister.\nYeah I'll take care of that."}, {'start': '4070.366', 'end': '4072.201', 'text': "Okay. The next\nquestion we're going"}, {'start': '4072.201', 'end': '4073.236', 'text': 'to start with Mayor'}, {'start': '4073.236', 'end': '4077.507', 'text': 'Hertz. So what is the\nthing you are most'}, {'start': '4077.507', 'end': '4079.442', 'text': 'proud of that was'}, {'start': '4079.442', 'end': '4081.911', 'text': 'most significant\nmost meaningful to'}, {'start': '4081.911', 'end': '4083.479', 'text': 'you. And you can pick'}, {'start': '4083.479', 'end': '4085.448', 'text': 'just one. You can\npick two or three if'}, {'start': '4085.448', 'end': '4086.416', 'text': 'you want. But what'}, {'start': '4086.416', 'end': '4088.885', 'text': 'are the things like\nthat you come away'}, {'start': '4088.885', 'end': '4091.454', 'text': 'with that feel really\ngood from your term.'}, {'start': '4092.288', 'end': '4093.256', 'text': 'I should say terms.'}, {'start': '4097.093', 'end': '4101.397', 'text': "So many it's hard\nto believe. I can't."}, {'start': '4101.397', 'end': '4103.666', 'text': "I don't know. There"}, {'start': '4103.666', 'end': '4106.102', 'text': "are a lot actually.\nSo that's hard to"}, {'start': '4106.102', 'end': '4107.270', 'text': 'pick. Do you have'}, {'start': '4107.270', 'end': '4111.074', 'text': 'one. For me from\nyours. I do love the'}, {'start': '4111.074', 'end': '4113.242', 'text': 'game changer kind of'}, {'start': '4113.242', 'end': '4116.446', 'text': "we're changing the way we do\nbusiness. I love that one. I"}, {'start': '4116.446', 'end': '4118.915', 'text': 'personally am really\nhappy about Fairhaven.'}, {'start': '4119.282', 'end': '4123.286', 'text': "It's like a little jewel\nthat is very sweet for this"}, {'start': '4123.286', 'end': '4125.922', 'text': "community. But I'm\ncurious about your."}, {'start': '4127.023', 'end': '4130.093', 'text': 'Well I think you\nknow I think just a'}, {'start': '4130.093', 'end': '4131.961', 'text': 'combination of things'}, {'start': '4131.961', 'end': '4137.166', 'text': "that can't I can't pick\none out. That is more more"}, {'start': '4137.166', 'end': '4138.201', 'text': 'important than the others.'}, {'start': '4138.634', 'end': '4140.003', 'text': "We're any more fun\nthan the others."}, {'start': '4141.871', 'end': '4145.174', 'text': "I don't think\nit's fun. I don't"}, {'start': '4145.174', 'end': '4147.710', 'text': 'necessarily look at the'}, {'start': '4147.710', 'end': '4150.213', 'text': 'eight years that I\nspend in office for'}, {'start': '4150.213', 'end': '4151.614', 'text': 'twenty five thousand'}, {'start': '4151.614', 'end': '4153.616', 'text': 'dollars a year was not\na lot of fun for you.'}, {'start': '4155.018', 'end': '4159.856', 'text': "But it wasn't fun. I think\nit does hard work. You know"}, {'start': '4159.856', 'end': '4163.192', 'text': "there's a lot of\nemotional stress. I"}, {'start': '4163.192', 'end': '4165.228', 'text': 'mean you might please'}, {'start': '4165.228', 'end': '4168.164', 'text': "half of the people\nbut there's half"}, {'start': '4168.164', 'end': '4169.298', 'text': "of the people that\naren't pleased."}, {'start': '4170.299', 'end': '4176.739', 'text': 'We during those times we we\nhad you know Georgia Pacific'}, {'start': '4176.739', 'end': '4181.911', 'text': "putting pressure because you\nknow that's an employment"}, {'start': '4181.911', 'end': '4184.680', 'text': 'base. Georgia Pacific\ngoes away the whole'}, {'start': '4184.680', 'end': '4187.250', 'text': 'town will dry up.'}, {'start': '4187.250', 'end': '4192.355', 'text': 'You remember that just you\nknow so many of those a very'}, {'start': '4192.355', 'end': '4196.726', 'text': 'very conservative group of\npeople that really ran the'}, {'start': '4196.726', 'end': '4199.095', 'text': 'community at the time\nand changing that'}, {'start': '4199.095', 'end': '4201.264', 'text': 'was a lot of work.'}, {'start': '4201.264', 'end': '4205.501', 'text': 'I think I think that\nsome of the some of'}, {'start': '4205.501', 'end': '4207.503', 'text': 'the fun things was'}, {'start': '4207.503', 'end': '4212.742', 'text': 'doing some of the\ndowntown landscaping'}, {'start': '4212.742', 'end': '4215.244', 'text': 'and new sidewalks'}, {'start': '4215.244', 'end': '4217.380', 'text': 'and kinds of\nthings that really'}, {'start': '4217.380', 'end': '4219.248', 'text': 'made a difference\nnow still there.'}, {'start': '4220.283', 'end': '4223.319', 'text': 'So that was neat.\nWe had the railroad'}, {'start': '4223.319', 'end': '4225.021', 'text': 'tracks going through'}, {'start': '4225.021', 'end': '4228.424', 'text': 'downtown. We bought\nall those railroad'}, {'start': '4228.424', 'end': '4229.859', 'text': 'tracks. In fact'}, {'start': '4229.859', 'end': '4232.962', 'text': 'where the public market\nwhich you created'}, {'start': '4232.962', 'end': '4234.230', 'text': 'I think Mark but'}, {'start': '4234.230', 'end': '4237.266', 'text': 'that was part of the\nrailroad property.'}, {'start': '4238.267', 'end': '4240.770', 'text': 'Those kinds of things\nwere really neat.'}, {'start': '4240.770', 'end': '4242.071', 'text': 'Boulevard Park just'}, {'start': '4242.071', 'end': '4245.308', 'text': "the starting. I didn't\ndo Boulevard Park."}, {'start': '4245.308', 'end': '4246.742', 'text': 'I take credit for'}, {'start': '4246.742', 'end': '4250.813', 'text': 'starting it and\ntaking all the'}, {'start': '4250.813', 'end': '4252.281', 'text': 'crap that goes\nalong with that.'}, {'start': '4252.281', 'end': '4261.824', 'text': 'But that was neat. We worked\non the Alaska ferry. Tim'}, {'start': '4261.824', 'end': '4263.793', 'text': 'finished it. We\nstarted working on the'}, {'start': '4263.793', 'end': '4269.065', 'text': 'Alaska ferry. Met\nwith the Governor Jay.'}, {'start': '4270.399', 'end': '4271.067', 'text': "What's his name?"}, {'start': '4272.268', 'end': '4273.836', 'text': 'John Spellman.'}, {'start': '4274.237', 'end': '4276.272', 'text': 'No he was the Governor\nof Alaska but any of us.'}, {'start': '4277.273', 'end': '4278.908', 'text': 'Hammond.'}, {'start': '4280.009', 'end': '4282.411', 'text': "That's the guy. You\nknow those kinds of"}, {'start': '4282.411', 'end': '4283.646', 'text': 'things were kind of'}, {'start': '4283.646', 'end': '4287.817', 'text': "fun. But no I\ncan't particularly"}, {'start': '4287.817', 'end': '4290.753', 'text': 'pick one thing up.'}, {'start': '4290.753', 'end': '4293.456', 'text': 'Okay fair enough. Mary\nDouglas what about you?'}, {'start': '4295.291', 'end': '4299.529', 'text': 'I think the way in\nwhich we sort of'}, {'start': '4299.529', 'end': '4302.198', 'text': 'brought the community'}, {'start': '4302.198', 'end': '4305.201', 'text': 'together in a much\nmore livable way.'}, {'start': '4305.201', 'end': '4306.702', 'text': "That's an overall"}, {'start': '4306.702', 'end': '4309.972', 'text': "statement and we've all had\nelements of it ourselves."}, {'start': '4310.306', 'end': '4312.808', 'text': 'But just the way in\nwhich the community'}, {'start': '4312.808', 'end': '4315.678', 'text': 'is pulled together.'}, {'start': '4315.678', 'end': '4319.048', 'text': "And I'm thinking\ntoo of how fortunate"}, {'start': '4319.048', 'end': '4320.850', 'text': 'we are in Northwest'}, {'start': '4320.850', 'end': '4326.489', 'text': 'Washington to have a fine\nuniversity. A fine technical'}, {'start': '4326.489', 'end': '4328.224', 'text': 'college and a fine\ncommunity college.'}, {'start': '4329.292', 'end': '4332.161', 'text': "And I'm very active with the\nCommunity College Foundation"}, {'start': '4332.161', 'end': '4335.631', 'text': 'now and just the\nscholarship money that'}, {'start': '4335.631', 'end': '4337.400', 'text': 'is being donated to'}, {'start': '4337.400', 'end': '4339.702', 'text': 'help students\nachieve here and the'}, {'start': '4339.702', 'end': '4341.204', 'text': 'diversity of students'}, {'start': '4341.204', 'end': '4343.239', 'text': 'that we are now seeing at\nall those institutions.'}, {'start': '4344.307', 'end': '4346.542', 'text': 'And what each of\nthem does in its own'}, {'start': '4346.542', 'end': '4347.877', 'text': 'unique role to really'}, {'start': '4347.877', 'end': '4352.381', 'text': 'help make education. I think\neducation is like the prime'}, {'start': '4352.381', 'end': '4355.551', 'text': 'mover in Northwest\nWashington in terms'}, {'start': '4355.551', 'end': '4357.153', 'text': 'of quality of life'}, {'start': '4357.153', 'end': '4362.325', 'text': 'and helping us attract\nreally great people.'}, {'start': '4362.325', 'end': '4367.997', 'text': 'And they want to come and\nthen they bring other very'}, {'start': '4367.997', 'end': '4372.335', 'text': 'committed to community kind\nof people. I think education'}, {'start': '4372.335', 'end': '4374.503', 'text': "has been wonderful\nand I there's no one"}, {'start': '4374.503', 'end': '4375.571', 'text': "thing I've done to"}, {'start': '4375.571', 'end': '4378.374', 'text': 'do that but I was\nworked at Western'}, {'start': '4378.374', 'end': '4380.676', 'text': 'for years and that\nwas the beginning.'}, {'start': '4381.077', 'end': '4382.912', 'text': "It is. It did bring\nme here. That's right."}, {'start': '4386.749', 'end': '4391.020', 'text': "Oh, sorry. Tell\nme when it doesn't"}, {'start': '4391.020', 'end': '4394.890', 'text': "hurt. Mostly when\nI'm quiet probably."}, {'start': '4396.559', 'end': '4398.894', 'text': "I think that I'm\nproud of a lot of"}, {'start': '4398.894', 'end': '4400.763', 'text': 'things just because\nlike like everything.'}, {'start': '4401.297', 'end': '4405.301', 'text': "You know, we're lucky\nto have Ken we're"}, {'start': '4405.301', 'end': '4407.970', 'text': 'lucky to have Tim.'}, {'start': '4407.970', 'end': '4409.639', 'text': "We're lucky to have\npeople who cared"}, {'start': '4409.639', 'end': '4410.573', 'text': 'about the community'}, {'start': '4410.573', 'end': '4412.642', 'text': "when it didn't\npay with shit."}, {'start': '4414.110', 'end': '4417.380', 'text': "I mean, when I left the\nmayor's office, and I worked"}, {'start': '4417.380', 'end': '4419.582', 'text': 'council hard\nand gotten it up'}, {'start': '4419.582', 'end': '4425.288', 'text': 'to I think 130,000\nby 2006. Okay.'}, {'start': '4425.288', 'end': '4429.825', 'text': 'It was, and this was\na minimum six, three'}, {'start': '4429.825', 'end': '4431.727', 'text': 'nights, at least'}, {'start': '4431.727', 'end': '4434.463', 'text': "three nights of every week\nthat you're out plus you're"}, {'start': '4434.463', 'end': '4437.133', 'text': 'working full time\nand usually have'}, {'start': '4437.133', 'end': '4440.603', 'text': 'something on a Saturday\nor during the day.'}, {'start': '4441.237', 'end': '4443.372', 'text': "So, you don't do it\nfor the money, you"}, {'start': '4443.372', 'end': '4444.840', 'text': 'do it for the fun.'}, {'start': '4444.840', 'end': '4448.277', 'text': 'The really proud\nof a couple things.'}, {'start': '4449.278', 'end': '4452.448', 'text': 'One of the things\nthat happened when'}, {'start': '4452.448', 'end': '4454.317', 'text': 'Tim when I first got'}, {'start': '4454.317', 'end': '4457.019', 'text': 'on the city council\nand I got when I say'}, {'start': '4457.019', 'end': '4458.321', 'text': 'got on, as opposed'}, {'start': '4458.321', 'end': '4460.623', 'text': 'to elected is I was\nappointed to the'}, {'start': '4460.623', 'end': '4461.957', 'text': 'city council because'}, {'start': '4461.957', 'end': '4465.261', 'text': 'to fill out an\nunexpired term of.'}, {'start': '4466.295', 'end': '4470.499', 'text': "I can remember Jay\nHammond, but I can't"}, {'start': '4470.499', 'end': '4474.370', 'text': "remember your first\npermit director's name."}, {'start': '4475.037', 'end': '4481.344', 'text': "Who was it? What's his name?\nFrom the fourth ward. Dave"}, {'start': '4481.344', 'end': '4484.580', 'text': 'Wolf. Dave Wolf quit\nand I filled out the'}, {'start': '4484.580', 'end': '4485.982', 'text': 'final year of his'}, {'start': '4485.982', 'end': '4489.352', 'text': 'term and I got\nappointed right when'}, {'start': '4489.352', 'end': '4490.319', 'text': 'Bell is fair was\nbeing considered.'}, {'start': '4490.319', 'end': '4492.855', 'text': 'Okay, so.'}, {'start': '4495.291', 'end': '4498.027', 'text': 'I mean, all I know\nabout is what I read'}, {'start': '4498.027', 'end': '4499.295', 'text': 'in the Bellingham'}, {'start': '4499.295', 'end': '4501.997', 'text': 'Herald, which our\ncommunity suffers'}, {'start': '4501.997', 'end': '4503.833', 'text': 'greatly from not having'}, {'start': '4503.833', 'end': '4505.868', 'text': 'a daily newspaper with a'}, {'start': '4505.868', 'end': '4508.004', 'text': 'reporter covering\nlocal government.'}, {'start': '4508.237', 'end': '4510.473', 'text': "I think that's one\nof the tragedies of"}, {'start': '4510.473', 'end': '4511.674', 'text': 'the of the Internet'}, {'start': '4511.674', 'end': '4513.309', 'text': "is the loss of local\nmedia, but that's an aside."}, {'start': '4513.309', 'end': '4516.012', 'text': 'So that was quite an\ninteresting thing.'}, {'start': '4516.012', 'end': '4517.346', 'text': 'And it was a tough'}, {'start': '4517.346', 'end': '4520.049', 'text': 'decision because\nTim advocated very'}, {'start': '4520.049', 'end': '4521.584', 'text': 'strenuously against'}, {'start': '4521.584', 'end': '4525.221', 'text': 'approving them all because\nyou mean the death star.'}, {'start': '4525.821', 'end': '4527.289', 'text': "That's what I\nunderstand. It was like"}, {'start': '4527.289', 'end': '4528.157', 'text': 'it was the death star'}, {'start': '4528.157', 'end': '4529.558', 'text': 'in the day and like\nthat. So people'}, {'start': '4529.558', 'end': '4530.326', 'text': 'thought it was going to\nbe the end to downtown.'}, {'start': '4530.326', 'end': '4534.397', 'text': 'The reality and the\nthing is I ultimately'}, {'start': '4534.397', 'end': '4536.065', 'text': 'voted for it and'}, {'start': '4536.065', 'end': '4539.168', 'text': 'it was not easy. It was not\neasy, but I voted for it'}, {'start': '4539.168', 'end': '4542.905', 'text': 'because I knew where we were\neconomically, which was, as'}, {'start': '4542.905', 'end': '4546.409', 'text': 'Tim said, in the toilet and\nsomething had to change.'}, {'start': '4547.109', 'end': '4549.678', 'text': 'And all of the downtown\nbusinesses, I mean,'}, {'start': '4549.678', 'end': '4550.613', 'text': 'the bigger ones'}, {'start': '4550.613', 'end': '4553.616', 'text': 'were saying it either\nhappens here or'}, {'start': '4553.616', 'end': '4555.251', 'text': "we're moving to the"}, {'start': '4555.251', 'end': '4556.452', 'text': "they'll build one in Skagit"}, {'start': '4556.452', 'end': '4557.253', 'text': "County and we'll\nmove our store there."}, {'start': '4557.253', 'end': '4563.359', 'text': 'So that was what the\nthe option to well.'}, {'start': '4565.294', 'end': '4568.063', 'text': 'That that did help\nkick off the economy'}, {'start': '4568.063', 'end': '4569.365', 'text': 'in Bellingham. So'}, {'start': '4569.365', 'end': '4574.570', 'text': 'but it also kicked off a\nreally robust discussion and'}, {'start': '4574.570', 'end': '4577.239', 'text': 'debate in the community\nabout the issue.'}, {'start': '4578.274', 'end': '4581.710', 'text': 'And Tim, by honestly,\nby having a'}, {'start': '4581.710', 'end': '4583.913', 'text': 'contrary position to'}, {'start': '4583.913', 'end': '4586.282', 'text': 'David Sirey and\nKen, who was work, I'}, {'start': '4586.282', 'end': '4587.750', 'text': "don't know if you had"}, {'start': '4587.750', 'end': '4589.785', 'text': 'got involved in that\none, Ken, but you'}, {'start': '4589.785', 'end': '4592.455', 'text': 'were working for Sirey\nat that time or not.'}, {'start': '4593.823', 'end': '4595.591', 'text': 'What? Belis,\nnot yet. OK, but'}, {'start': '4595.591', 'end': '4599.261', 'text': 'by he kicked off.\nHe kicked off.'}, {'start': '4599.595', 'end': '4601.464', 'text': 'He kicked off. I\nwant to know you'}, {'start': '4601.464', 'end': '4602.631', 'text': "had I've still got a"}, {'start': '4602.631', 'end': '4605.768', 'text': 'bumper sticker in\nsomething like about.'}, {'start': '4607.169', 'end': '4608.604', 'text': 'Screw the mall\nor something. It'}, {'start': '4608.604', 'end': '4611.740', 'text': 'hurts, you know,\nabout downtown anyway.'}, {'start': '4613.843', 'end': '4617.813', 'text': 'Anyway, but Tim got people\ninvolved that had never been'}, {'start': '4617.813', 'end': '4619.515', 'text': 'involved in discussing\nthe local things.'}, {'start': '4619.915', 'end': '4622.051', 'text': "And that's and\nthat's continued for"}, {'start': '4622.051', 'end': '4623.152', 'text': 'years to come and'}, {'start': '4623.152', 'end': '4624.286', 'text': 'beyond to go. And\nthat was really good.'}, {'start': '4624.286', 'end': '4627.356', 'text': 'So so that was a\ngreat foundation for'}, {'start': '4627.356', 'end': '4629.692', 'text': 'community engagement.'}, {'start': '4629.692', 'end': '4631.560', 'text': 'So I got lots of\ncompute community'}, {'start': '4631.560', 'end': '4632.928', 'text': 'engagement for a variety'}, {'start': '4632.928', 'end': '4635.197', 'text': 'of projects like the\nbridge over Alabama'}, {'start': '4635.197', 'end': '4638.834', 'text': 'that people scream at\nme about doing that.'}, {'start': '4639.134', 'end': '4641.203', 'text': 'What a horrible\nwaste of public money'}, {'start': '4641.203', 'end': '4642.271', 'text': 'until and the next'}, {'start': '4642.271', 'end': '4644.940', 'text': 'day. The day after\nit was opened, I'}, {'start': '4644.940', 'end': '4646.442', 'text': 'got an email from a'}, {'start': '4646.442', 'end': '4648.310', 'text': 'woman saying my son goes\nto Roosevelt School.'}, {'start': '4648.310', 'end': '4654.016', 'text': 'I live on the south side of\nAlabama. And the first time'}, {'start': '4654.016', 'end': '4656.585', 'text': "since we've lived\nhere, he got to ride"}, {'start': '4656.585', 'end': '4658.721', 'text': 'his bike to school.'}, {'start': '4658.721', 'end': '4660.456', 'text': 'And I and I wrote\nback and said, and'}, {'start': '4660.456', 'end': '4661.991', 'text': "that's why we build\nthis, you know."}, {'start': '4662.391', 'end': '4664.126', 'text': 'And how often is\nthe railroad trail'}, {'start': '4664.126', 'end': '4665.194', 'text': 'used? How many people'}, {'start': '4665.194', 'end': '4667.830', 'text': 'complain about that bridge?\nNow, people even complained'}, {'start': '4667.830', 'end': '4669.298', 'text': "about the farmer's market\nfor crying out loud."}, {'start': '4669.298', 'end': '4674.370', 'text': 'They they complained about\nthe over water walkway at'}, {'start': '4674.370', 'end': '4676.438', 'text': "Boulevard Park. But\nthe thing I'm most"}, {'start': '4676.438', 'end': '4677.506', 'text': 'proud of this is so'}, {'start': '4677.506', 'end': '4679.508', 'text': "trivial. I'm very\nproud of all those."}, {'start': '4679.508', 'end': '4680.709', 'text': "I'm very proud of the"}, {'start': '4680.709', 'end': '4683.479', 'text': 'work we did with\nthe very proud'}, {'start': '4683.479', 'end': '4684.246', 'text': 'of the pipeline\nsafety response.'}, {'start': '4684.246', 'end': '4691.020', 'text': 'But most importantly, was\nwhen I had a weekly meeting'}, {'start': '4691.020', 'end': '4695.157', 'text': 'before the the\nwalkway had been over'}, {'start': '4695.157', 'end': '4697.560', 'text': 'water walkway. But I'}, {'start': '4697.560', 'end': '4702.231', 'text': 'had been built at Boulevard\nPark. I had a weekly meeting'}, {'start': '4702.231', 'end': '4704.366', 'text': 'with the park structure\nbecause I wanted'}, {'start': '4704.366', 'end': '4705.234', 'text': 'to make sure he'}, {'start': '4705.234', 'end': '4708.504', 'text': 'kept that at the top of his\npile because he had to deal'}, {'start': '4708.504', 'end': '4710.105', 'text': 'with the Department\nof Ecology, which'}, {'start': '4710.105', 'end': '4711.040', 'text': "couldn't make up its"}, {'start': '4711.040', 'end': '4712.575', 'text': 'mind about whether\nyou pulled out'}, {'start': '4712.575', 'end': '4714.276', 'text': 'the little pilings\nor snipped the pile.'}, {'start': '4714.276', 'end': '4715.277', 'text': "And I said, I'm going\nto take them off."}, {'start': '4715.277', 'end': '4715.711', 'text': 'And I mean, took'}, {'start': '4715.711', 'end': '4718.013', 'text': 'two and a half\nyears. It took three'}, {'start': '4718.013', 'end': '4719.348', 'text': 'months to build the'}, {'start': '4719.348', 'end': '4720.749', 'text': 'thing. It took two\nand a half years to'}, {'start': '4720.749', 'end': '4721.517', 'text': 'get through. Anyway,'}, {'start': '4721.517', 'end': '4724.820', 'text': "so I'm meeting with\nPaul. And he mentions"}, {'start': '4724.820', 'end': '4726.188', 'text': 'as an aside that'}, {'start': '4726.188', 'end': '4729.592', 'text': 'the community\ncollege is going to.'}, {'start': '4740.236', 'end': '4743.973', 'text': "I said, I'm going to\ndo a permit to build"}, {'start': '4743.973', 'end': '4745.608', 'text': 'that close to the'}, {'start': '4745.608', 'end': '4748.477', 'text': "water again. It's a perfect\nplace for a coffee shop. You"}, {'start': '4748.477', 'end': '4750.746', 'text': 'know, fine. Let lease it\nout and have a place that'}, {'start': '4750.746', 'end': '4753.282', 'text': 'so people come to the park\nyear round and get together.'}, {'start': '4753.282', 'end': '4758.721', 'text': 'And the pottery place went\nto walk in the community'}, {'start': '4758.721', 'end': '4760.823', 'text': 'college. It did. It\nwent to the campus.'}, {'start': '4760.823', 'end': '4762.091', 'text': "So that's what it."}, {'start': '4762.091', 'end': '4764.426', 'text': 'So anyway, he was\ngoing to tear it down.'}, {'start': '4764.426', 'end': '4765.494', 'text': 'But anyway, so so'}, {'start': '4765.494', 'end': '4768.263', 'text': 'the next time you have a cup\nof coffee at Boulevard Park,'}, {'start': '4768.831', 'end': '4770.232', 'text': 'you know, you\ncan think about'}, {'start': '4770.232', 'end': '4772.267', 'text': 'me. And I still\nthink it owes me.'}, {'start': '4772.267', 'end': '4776.772', 'text': 'Thank you for that. Just\nreal quick additions.'}, {'start': '4776.772', 'end': '4779.441', 'text': "One, Greenways. We haven't"}, {'start': '4779.441', 'end': '4781.143', 'text': 'spoken about it.\nThis audience is'}, {'start': '4781.143', 'end': '4782.511', 'text': 'responsible for Greenways'}, {'start': '4782.511', 'end': '4784.747', 'text': 'and congratulations\nto everybody in'}, {'start': '4784.747', 'end': '4786.015', 'text': 'Ballingham over the'}, {'start': '4786.015', 'end': '4789.018', 'text': 'years. The tens of\nmillions of dollars'}, {'start': '4789.018', 'end': '4790.586', 'text': 'that we have agreed'}, {'start': '4790.586', 'end': '4794.056', 'text': 'to tax ourselves to\nput in to buy open'}, {'start': '4794.056', 'end': '4795.691', 'text': 'space, to improve'}, {'start': '4795.691', 'end': '4797.293', 'text': 'parks, to buy parks,\ntrails, everything.'}, {'start': '4797.293', 'end': '4802.364', 'text': 'It is what makes this\ncommunity what it'}, {'start': '4802.364', 'end': '4804.833', 'text': 'is. Ken really was'}, {'start': '4804.833', 'end': '4808.203', 'text': "the lead on Greenways\nand and we've all"}, {'start': '4808.203', 'end': '4809.672', 'text': 'supported it all'}, {'start': '4809.672', 'end': '4811.240', 'text': "along the way. But\nthat's just a fabulous"}, {'start': '4811.240', 'end': '4811.874', 'text': 'thing. The other'}, {'start': '4811.874', 'end': '4814.243', 'text': 'thing I just want to\nmention quickly is'}, {'start': '4814.243', 'end': '4815.444', 'text': 'we did work hard to'}, {'start': '4815.444', 'end': '4818.981', 'text': 'at the time the mall\nwas going to. We'}, {'start': '4818.981', 'end': '4821.650', 'text': 'got the word from the\nthe mayor of Tacoma.'}, {'start': '4821.650', 'end': '4824.720', 'text': 'He said seven years.\nYour downtown will'}, {'start': '4824.720', 'end': '4826.155', 'text': 'be dead for seven'}, {'start': '4826.155', 'end': '4829.325', 'text': 'years after that\nmall is built. And'}, {'start': '4829.325', 'end': '4831.326', 'text': 'so he said, well, not'}, {'start': '4831.326', 'end': '4833.996', 'text': 'any more than it has to be.\nAnd so we really got to work'}, {'start': '4833.996', 'end': '4836.432', 'text': 'and we worked with\nthe owners of the'}, {'start': '4836.432', 'end': '4837.633', 'text': 'private buildings'}, {'start': '4837.633', 'end': '4840.335', 'text': 'where the department\nstores have been.'}, {'start': '4840.335', 'end': '4842.971', 'text': 'And we did some really\ncreative things in'}, {'start': '4842.971', 'end': '4844.339', 'text': 'terms of financing.'}, {'start': '4844.339', 'end': '4845.841', 'text': 'Certain things help\nprovide some parking. -'}, {'start': '4845.841', 'end': '4847.576', 'text': 'Do you think he was right\nabout the seven years?'}, {'start': '4847.576', 'end': '4848.410', 'text': 'Certain things help\nprovide some parking. And'}, {'start': '4848.410', 'end': '4849.344', 'text': 'do you think he was right\nabout the seven years?'}, {'start': '4849.344', 'end': '4853.315', 'text': "- Yeah - It was pretty close.\nBut we really if we hadn't done"}, {'start': '4853.315', 'end': '4857.352', 'text': 'it, I think seven years would\nhave even been close to how'}, {'start': '4857.352', 'end': '4859.955', 'text': "long we'd be. - So you're in\ntrouble, Tim, because there's"}, {'start': '4859.955', 'end': '4861.824', 'text': 'two microphones\nclose to us.'}, {'start': '4861.824', 'end': '4865.694', 'text': 'But on the same theme,'}, {'start': '4865.694', 'end': '4870.799', 'text': 'when I first got elected,\nremember the pit? How old\nare'}, {'start': '4870.799', 'end': '4871.266', 'text': 'you?'}, {'start': '4871.266', 'end': '4874.336', 'text': '- Yes, the pit for sure. - That\nwas the burned out building on'}, {'start': '4874.336', 'end': '4876.405', 'text': 'the corner of\nHolly and Railroad.'}, {'start': '4876.405', 'end': '4880.409', 'text': 'And it was...so\nthat was you.'}, {'start': '4880.409', 'end': '4884.613', 'text': "It burned at the end of\nTim's term. And I came."}, {'start': '4884.613', 'end': '4890.018', 'text': 'And so my theory downtown was,\nof course, a big focus for me'}, {'start': '4890.018', 'end': '4892.187', 'text': 'because it still\nwas not coming back.'}, {'start': '4892.187', 'end': '4894.556', 'text': 'But I viewed...'}, {'start': '4894.556', 'end': '4898.293', 'text': 'downtown will be a success\nwhen we see a crane downtown'}, {'start': '4898.293', 'end': '4900.696', 'text': 'and we see people\nliving downtown.'}, {'start': '4900.696', 'end': '4903.332', 'text': 'Because you have to have\npeople living downtown for\nyour'}, {'start': '4903.332', 'end': '4904.600', 'text': 'downtown to really thrive.'}, {'start': '4904.600', 'end': '4907.536', 'text': "And that's why I'm\nvery happy now."}, {'start': '4907.536', 'end': '4910.105', 'text': "I mean, it didn't all\nhappen because of me."}, {'start': '4910.105', 'end': '4913.242', 'text': "But I'm really happy getting\ngetting the ball rolling for..."}, {'start': '4913.242', 'end': '4917.446', 'text': 'and I mean, we\nbought that land and'}, {'start': '4917.446', 'end': '4920.482', 'text': 'we gave the most sweetheart\nlease in the world'}, {'start': '4920.482', 'end': '4924.553', 'text': 'to get that building\nconstructed on the corner of\nRailroand and'}, {'start': '4924.553', 'end': '4928.557', 'text': 'Holly.'}, {'start': '4928.557', 'end': '4932.594', 'text': "What's the word? We condemned\nthe Flame Tavern and Rick"}, {'start': '4932.594', 'end': '4937.166', 'text': 'Westrup. Then we got it and\nbuilt the housing and he proved'}, {'start': '4937.166', 'end': '4940.903', 'text': 'the downtown housing work. And\nthen he built all those'}, {'start': '4940.903', 'end': '4943.272', 'text': 'other buildings\nto the south.'}, {'start': '4943.272', 'end': '4945.274', 'text': 'And the rest is history.'}, {'start': '4945.274', 'end': '4949.311', 'text': 'But the government has to\ncome in with investment to'}, {'start': '4949.311', 'end': '4953.615', 'text': 'provide support for\nthose key elements. So'}, {'start': '4953.615', 'end': '4958.086', 'text': 'proof of concept can\nbe established. Yeah.'}, {'start': '4958.086', 'end': '4961.323', 'text': "- Since you're talking about\nthe mall, I just want to say I"}, {'start': '4961.323', 'end': '4966.161', 'text': 'fought that damn thing for\nfour years. And we had a'}, {'start': '4966.161', 'end': '4970.032', 'text': 'developer out of Canada called\nSutter Hill Corporation.'}, {'start': '4970.299', 'end': '4974.436', 'text': 'Yeah. It was going to do a\ndowntown mall. Yeah. We had to'}, {'start': '4974.436', 'end': '4978.173', 'text': 'build talking about\ninfrastructure. We had to build'}, {'start': '4978.173', 'end': '4981.777', 'text': 'two parking structures\nand it was'}, {'start': '4981.777', 'end': '4983.445', 'text': 'going to cost\nsome public money.'}, {'start': '4984.847', 'end': '4990.986', 'text': 'We had a petition against it and\nit lost by 100 votes. And'}, {'start': '4990.986', 'end': '4995.891', 'text': "that's when the mall basically\nwas approved. So the hell"}, {'start': '4995.891', 'end': '4998.293', 'text': "with it. We don't want to\ndo something here."}, {'start': '4998.293', 'end': '5001.797', 'text': "It's got to be there because\nyou're going to lose all of"}, {'start': '5001.797', 'end': '5005.234', 'text': "the retail. Yeah. And that's\nwhen I said I'm out of here."}, {'start': '5007.703', 'end': '5011.206', 'text': "So we have come to the end of\nour time. It's eight o'clock."}, {'start': '5011.206', 'end': '5012.574', 'text': "I have to tell you it's so"}, {'start': '5012.574', 'end': '5014.476', 'text': 'interesting. And\nI will say this.'}, {'start': '5016.245', 'end': '5020.515', 'text': 'You know, perspective, like\nlooking back at things and'}, {'start': '5020.515', 'end': '5023.852', 'text': "perspective, like I'm going\nto take so much of this"}, {'start': '5023.852', 'end': '5026.488', 'text': 'conversation\ninto whatever is'}, {'start': '5026.488', 'end': '5028.257', 'text': 'happening in\nBellingham today.'}, {'start': '5028.857', 'end': '5031.093', 'text': 'You know, when the mayor does\nsomething or the council does'}, {'start': '5031.093', 'end': '5034.229', 'text': 'something. I mean, your\ncomments about the controversy'}, {'start': '5034.229', 'end': '5037.099', 'text': 'around things that are\nfoundational to our'}, {'start': '5037.099', 'end': '5037.866', 'text': 'community,'}, {'start': '5037.866', 'end': '5041.270', 'text': 'the ferry terminal, the walkway,\nyou know, all of the things.'}, {'start': '5041.270', 'end': '5044.106', 'text': "And so it's just a really\nabout all of you, but it's a"}, {'start': '5044.106', 'end': '5050.512', 'text': 'really interesting conversation\nto hear perspective. So you'}, {'start': '5050.512', 'end': '5052.214', 'text': 'guys have almost 40 years of'}, {'start': '5052.214', 'end': '5054.683', 'text': 'service to this\ncommunity together.'}, {'start': '5055.050', 'end': '5059.187', 'text': "And we're still alive. And\nyou're not not much, but we're"}, {'start': '5059.187', 'end': '5061.223', 'text': 'still alive. I\njust wanted to'}, {'start': '5061.223', 'end': '5064.259', 'text': 'say one thing\nthat I suggested.'}, {'start': '5065.260', 'end': '5068.864', 'text': "It's been 50 years since\nthe charter was changed and"}, {'start': '5068.864', 'end': '5072.901', 'text': "there's been seven mayors that\nare still alive. I thought"}, {'start': '5072.901', 'end': '5074.136', 'text': 'it would be kind\nof cool to get'}, {'start': '5074.136', 'end': '5076.405', 'text': 'them all together,\nincluding him.'}, {'start': '5077.205', 'end': '5082.244', 'text': 'But that was my thought behind\ntalking to. And I think two'}, {'start': '5082.244', 'end': '5084.980', 'text': 'are two are abroad.\nTwo are traveling'}, {'start': '5084.980', 'end': '5087.282', 'text': 'far and wide. They can\ncome back for that.'}, {'start': '5087.282', 'end': '5090.118', 'text': "We'll have to get it's been\na great conversation, but"}, {'start': '5090.118', 'end': '5093.155', 'text': 'really, you know, thank you\nso much for everything that'}, {'start': '5093.155', 'end': '5094.556', 'text': "you've done as I was walking"}, {'start': '5094.556', 'end': '5096.158', 'text': 'around downtown\nat lunch today.'}, {'start': '5096.158', 'end': '5100.429', 'text': 'I thought to myself, this is\na spectacular little burg we'}, {'start': '5100.429', 'end': '5104.299', 'text': 'have despite all of our issues\nand problems and really so'}, {'start': '5104.299', 'end': '5105.767', 'text': 'much of it to each\nof your credit.'}, {'start': '5106.068', 'end': '5109.071', 'text': 'So I hope you all will join me\nin giving these folks just'}, {'start': '5109.071', 'end': '5112.574', 'text': 'this amazing round of applause\nand thanks for everything.'}, {'start': '5117.312', 'end': '5125.087', 'text': 'Thank you.'}]