CONSCIENCE TÉMOIN ET VISION DIRECTE / CONCIENCIA TESTIGO Y VISIÓN DIRECTA
Jean-Marc Mantel
[{'start': '5.427', 'end': '17.044', 'text': '[Speaker] Can you clarify what\nawareness of awareness means?'}, {'start': '17.044', 'end': '24.308', 'text': '[JM] When we ask\nthe question "Who is conscious?",'}, {'start': '24.308', 'end': '29.710', 'text': 'the intellect cannot\nanswer this question.'}, {'start': '29.710', 'end': '40.843', 'text': 'The question fades\ninto silence, leaving no trace.'}, {'start': '40.843', 'end': '47.777', 'text': 'And see the experience,\nat that moment, which awakens,'}, {'start': '47.777', 'end': '58.646', 'text': 'once the question\nis completely resolved.'}, {'start': '58.646', 'end': '69.590', 'text': '[I.] If I say "There is only consciousness, at that\nmoment", is that already an interpretation?'}, {'start': '69.590', 'end': '76.518', 'text': '[JM] Say it without saying it!'}, {'start': '76.518', 'end': '81.478', 'text': 'Of course, there is one obvious fact that is revealed.'}, {'start': '81.478', 'end': '87.226', 'text': 'But avoid turning it\ninto a concept,'}, {'start': '87.226', 'end': '99.711', 'text': 'except in a particular context.  It is'}, {'start': '99.711', 'end': '118.826', 'text': 'said that non-dual knowledge\nshould be kept in the heart,'}, {'start': '118.826', 'end': '123.771', 'text': 'like a secret.'}, {'start': '123.771', 'end': '134.246', 'text': "Don't make it a strategy."}, {'start': '134.246', 'end': '155.705', 'text': '[I.] But the temptations, the attitudes,\nthe mental habits, continue.'}, {'start': '155.705', 'end': '170.317', 'text': 'Mental productions\ncontinue to appear.'}, {'start': '170.317', 'end': '181.614', 'text': 'In this evidence, there is a kind of\nchoice, a grasp or a non-grasp.'}, {'start': '181.614', 'end': '192.136', 'text': '[JM] When consciousness is inhabited,\nmental activity is not stimulated.'}, {'start': '192.136', 'end': '199.035', 'text': 'It may continue in the background,\nautomatically,'}, {'start': '199.035', 'end': '204.989', 'text': 'but it is not fueled\nby our admiration.'}, {'start': '204.989', 'end': '215.001', 'text': 'Simply remain a\nsilent witness to the mental activity,'}, {'start': '215.001', 'end': '221.344', 'text': 'without intervening.'}, {'start': '221.344', 'end': '224.727', 'text': '[I.] Thank you.'}, {'start': '228.786', 'end': '234.672', 'text': '[JM] At every moment,\nyou are this silent witness.'}, {'start': '234.672', 'end': '239.592', 'text': 'of everything that happens\nin the body, in the mind.'}, {'start': '239.592', 'end': '247.839', 'text': 'There is a presence that bears witness,'}, {'start': '247.839', 'end': '252.833', 'text': 'a consciousness that bears witness.'}, {'start': '252.833', 'end': '261.005', 'text': 'We can practically speak\nof a witness-consciousness.'}, {'start': '261.005', 'end': '270.796', 'text': 'At times, one might\nwonder: "Who is the witness?"'}, {'start': '270.796', 'end': '286.463', 'text': 'And we let this question be absorbed,\ndissolved, in the answer.'}, {'start': '286.463', 'end': '298.794', 'text': '[I.] But this witness is no\ndifferent from what he testifies to.'}, {'start': '298.794', 'end': '306.131', 'text': '[JM] What he testifies to depends on the witness,'}, {'start': '306.131', 'end': '314.140', 'text': 'but the witness himself\ndepends on nothing.'}, {'start': '314.140', 'end': '325.174', 'text': 'The reflection depends on the mirror,\nbut the mirror does not depend on the reflection.'}, {'start': '325.174', 'end': '335.661', 'text': '[I.] The reflection depends on the mirror, that is to\nsay that the reflection is the mirror.'}, {'start': '335.661', 'end': '341.538', 'text': '[JM] The reflection is inseparable from the mirror.'}, {'start': '341.538', 'end': '349.255', 'text': 'It is a transitory appearance\nin the immutable.'}, {'start': '349.255', 'end': '353.768', 'text': '[I.] I come back to my initial question.'}, {'start': '353.768', 'end': '359.586', 'text': 'What depends on the immutable is part\nof the immutable, is not different from the immutable.'}, {'start': '359.586', 'end': '365.646', 'text': 'There is nothing that is different from the immutable.'}, {'start': '365.646', 'end': '372.009', 'text': "[JM] It's something to explore\nfor yourself,"}, {'start': '372.009', 'end': '380.389', 'text': "because it's easy to get stuck\nin philosophical conclusions."}, {'start': '380.389', 'end': '390.001', 'text': 'which take us away from the original experience.'}, {'start': '390.001', 'end': '394.492', 'text': '[I.] These are not\nphilosophical observations.'}, {'start': '394.492', 'end': '401.700', 'text': 'These include, for example,\nobservations of tension in the body,'}, {'start': '401.700', 'end': '413.442', 'text': 'when we believe that something is\ndifferent from what it should be.'}, {'start': '413.442', 'end': '418.384', 'text': "[JM] Even when you don't believe anything,"}, {'start': '418.384', 'end': '424.215', 'text': 'there can still be tensions\nthat are present'}, {'start': '424.215', 'end': '428.665', 'text': 'and need to be listened to.'}, {'start': '428.665', 'end': '434.883', 'text': 'These tensions are the breeding ground for reactions.'}, {'start': '434.883', 'end': '442.708', 'text': 'Reactive behaviors\nare the expression of a state of tension,'}, {'start': '442.708', 'end': '448.702', 'text': 'which is usually not conscious.'}, {'start': '448.702', 'end': '457.054', 'text': '[I.] The reactive state is a state\nwhich is linked to duality, it seems to me.'}, {'start': '457.054', 'end': '459.676', 'text': '[JM] Yes, definitely.'}, {'start': '459.676', 'end': '462.425', 'text': '[I.] In non-duality there is no reaction.'}, {'start': '462.425', 'end': '466.924', 'text': "It's not philosophical, it's a lived experience."}, {'start': '466.924', 'end': '473.388', 'text': '[JM] When you inhabit\nthe fullness of your being,'}, {'start': '473.388', 'end': '476.114', 'text': 'there is no reaction.'}, {'start': '476.114', 'end': '483.724', 'text': 'There is a possibility of action,\nbut there is no reaction.'}, {'start': '483.724', 'end': '488.551', 'text': 'For there to be a reaction, there\nmust first be someone.'}, {'start': '488.551', 'end': '491.977', 'text': 'And it is this someone who reacts.'}, {'start': '491.977', 'end': '496.962', 'text': 'The reaction does not come out of nowhere.'}, {'start': '496.962', 'end': '501.881', 'text': 'It extends the idea of \u200b\u200bbeing someone.'}, {'start': '501.881', 'end': '505.395', 'text': 'When the idea of \u200b\u200bbeing someone is resolved,'}, {'start': '505.395', 'end': '513.615', 'text': 'the reaction attached to it\nalso resolves.'}, {'start': '513.615', 'end': '517.601', 'text': '[I.] But if it is misunderstood,\nI am talking about myself, in my case,'}, {'start': '517.601', 'end': '522.131', 'text': 'if it is misunderstood, it means that\nthis reaction has something negative,'}, {'start': '522.131', 'end': '533.488', 'text': 'it is an error,\nit is something to change.'}, {'start': '533.488', 'end': '540.001', 'text': 'While it also has its place.'}, {'start': '540.001', 'end': '544.948', 'text': '[JM] The gaze sees, but does not judge.'}, {'start': '544.948', 'end': '550.654', 'text': 'Just get familiar\nwith this direct, immediate,'}, {'start': '550.654', 'end': '554.155', 'text': 'instantaneous vision.'}, {'start': '554.155', 'end': '559.281', 'text': '[I.] What I mean is that\nthe problem is not a problem!'}, {'start': '559.281', 'end': '567.350', 'text': '[JM] In general, we call a problem\nwhat is not accepted.'}, {'start': '567.350', 'end': '570.711', 'text': '[I.] Yes, there is something,\nhowever, which does not seem to me to be accepted,'}, {'start': '570.711', 'end': '577.914', 'text': 'since it is considered, for example,\nthat the egoic state must be changed.'}, {'start': '577.914', 'end': '585.673', 'text': '[JM] Every being aspires to joy,\npeace, happiness.'}, {'start': '585.673', 'end': '593.356', 'text': "So, we're going to look at what's standing in the way of"}, {'start': '593.356', 'end': '597.968', 'text': 'peace, joy, and bliss.'}, {'start': '597.968', 'end': '601.448', 'text': "It's natural."}, {'start': '601.448', 'end': '611.930', 'text': '[I.] What I mean is that\nthe obstacle is not an obstacle.'}, {'start': '611.930', 'end': '617.550', 'text': 'He is part of the rest.'}, {'start': '617.550', 'end': '622.469', 'text': '[JM] Indeed,\nhe is present, simply.'}, {'start': '622.469', 'end': '629.397', 'text': 'There is a resistance\nthat is present, a defense.'}, {'start': '629.397', 'end': '637.651', 'text': '[I.] But it is the refusal of this\ndefense which is a defense.'}, {'start': '637.651', 'end': '642.490', 'text': '[JM] This defense\nis the expression of a refusal.'}, {'start': '642.490', 'end': '652.916', 'text': 'And the refusal of this defense\ncreates a double refusal.'}, {'start': '652.916', 'end': '659.179', 'text': '[I.] Therefore, it is enough to accept the defense,\nas part of the whole.'}, {'start': '659.179', 'end': '671.455', 'text': '[JM] Yes, completely accept the defense,\nbut accepting it does not mean approving it.'}, {'start': '671.455', 'end': '680.120', 'text': 'Acceptance is not approval.'}, {'start': '680.120', 'end': '683.969', 'text': "[I.] I don't really see the difference."}, {'start': '683.969', 'end': '688.271', 'text': '[JM] Two people are fighting in the street.'}, {'start': '688.271', 'end': '693.893', 'text': 'You are witnessing this fight.'}, {'start': '693.893', 'end': '698.650', 'text': 'If you say "Go ahead!"'}, {'start': '698.650', 'end': '704.021', 'text': "you're encouraging a fight.  This is what we"}, {'start': '704.021', 'end': '711.777', 'text': 'call complicity,\ncomplicity with the reaction.'}, {'start': '711.777', 'end': '718.246', 'text': '[I.] It is to feed the reaction.'}, {'start': '718.246', 'end': '721.495', 'text': 'It seems to me that it is impossible\nto feed the reaction, if we accept it,'}, {'start': '721.495', 'end': '726.058', 'text': 'because that is where we empty it.'}, {'start': '726.058', 'end': '730.720', 'text': '[JM] Yes, when there is true acceptance,'}, {'start': '730.720', 'end': '735.001', 'text': 'there is no injection of energy.'}, {'start': '735.001', 'end': '738.196', 'text': 'There is no complicity.'}, {'start': '738.196', 'end': '743.460', 'text': 'There is vision, without complicity.'}, {'start': '743.460', 'end': '747.912', 'text': '[I.] It seems to me that there cannot be\ncomplicity in vision, it is impossible.'}, {'start': '747.912', 'end': '753.822', 'text': 'A vision with complicity is\nnot a vision.'}, {'start': '753.822', 'end': '759.240', 'text': '[JM] Vision originates in consciousness.'}, {'start': '759.240', 'end': '763.934', 'text': 'And complicity originates in the ego.'}]