"This is a bigger case than just [Kilmar Abrego] Garcia," immigration reform executive says
Face the Nation
[{'start': '1.760', 'end': '5.520', 'text': 'Welcome back. The Trump administration,'}, {'start': '3.280', 'end': '8.480', 'text': 'as you no doubt have noticed, continues'}, {'start': '5.520', 'end': '11.280', 'text': 'its fight to keep Kilar Abrego Garcia'}, {'start': '8.480', 'end': '13.280', 'text': 'off American soil and in El Salvador.'}, {'start': '11.280', 'end': '15.519', 'text': 'President repeatedly claiming that'}, {'start': '13.280', 'end': '18.240', 'text': "tattoos on his knuckles, that's the"}, {'start': '15.519', 'end': '19.640', 'text': "president's term, suggest he's a member"}, {'start': '18.240', 'end': '22.400', 'text': 'of a gang called'}, {'start': '19.640', 'end': '23.560', 'text': 'MS13. Despite that claim, the only'}, {'start': '22.400', 'end': '26.599', 'text': 'actual'}, {'start': '23.560', 'end': '29.359', 'text': 'tie in court on any piece of paper'}, {'start': '26.599', 'end': '32.480', 'text': 'between Garcia, who lives in Maryland,'}, {'start': '29.359', 'end': '35.360', 'text': 'and that gang is a now defunct local'}, {'start': '32.480', 'end': '39.000', 'text': 'police registry, which was questioned'}, {'start': '35.360', 'end': '41.680', 'text': 'for years amid accusations of racial'}, {'start': '39.000', 'end': '43.840', 'text': 'profiling. This is how we got here in'}, {'start': '41.680', 'end': '45.760', 'text': 'the Kilmargo Garcia story. And I want to'}, {'start': '43.840', 'end': '47.440', 'text': "bring in Vanessa Cardanis. She's"}, {'start': '45.760', 'end': '48.960', 'text': "executive director of America's Voice,"}, {'start': '47.440', 'end': '50.680', 'text': 'which advocates for undocumented'}, {'start': '48.960', 'end': '53.840', 'text': 'immigrants and immigration reform.'}, {'start': '50.680', 'end': '56.480', 'text': "Vanessa, let's just talk about how again"}, {'start': '53.840', 'end': '60.640', 'text': 'that phrase I used, how did we get here?'}, {'start': '56.480', 'end': '64.000', 'text': 'Kamargo Garcia in 2019 was outside a'}, {'start': '60.640', 'end': '66.799', 'text': 'Home Depot and some police approached,'}, {'start': '64.000', 'end': '70.280', 'text': 'pick up the thing from there and talk to'}, {'start': '66.799', 'end': '73.119', 'text': 'my audience about this registry or this'}, {'start': '70.280', 'end': '76.000', 'text': 'database that put him in it and what it'}, {'start': '73.119', 'end': '78.640', 'text': 'said or alleged about him.'}, {'start': '76.000', 'end': '81.840', 'text': 'Yep. Listen, this is I think a really'}, {'start': '78.640', 'end': '84.640', 'text': 'important point. Um that registry was'}, {'start': '81.840', 'end': '88.080', 'text': 'rife with errors and there have been in'}, {'start': '84.640', 'end': '91.759', 'text': 'fact that registry was ended because of'}, {'start': '88.080', 'end': '94.159', 'text': 'racial profiling issues and they were'}, {'start': '91.759', 'end': '95.840', 'text': 'the community especially in Maryland'}, {'start': '94.159', 'end': '98.720', 'text': 'were really against it because they were'}, {'start': '95.840', 'end': '102.240', 'text': 'racially profiling young black and brown'}, {'start': '98.720', 'end': '105.759', 'text': 'young people. So this and this whole'}, {'start': '102.240', 'end': '109.119', 'text': 'issue with Mr. Abrego Garcia starts with'}, {'start': '105.759', 'end': '113.119', 'text': 'that piece of paper where he allegedly'}, {'start': '109.119', 'end': '115.119', 'text': 'is was was or is a member of a gang. But'}, {'start': '113.119', 'end': '118.479', 'text': 'I I really want to drive the point here'}, {'start': '115.119', 'end': '121.360', 'text': 'that this is a bigger case than just Mr.'}, {'start': '118.479', 'end': '125.840', 'text': 'Garcia. This case is about whether our'}, {'start': '121.360', 'end': '128.640', 'text': 'government has the power to take someone'}, {'start': '125.840', 'end': '131.599', 'text': 'off the street, send them to a prison in'}, {'start': '128.640', 'end': '134.959', 'text': 'another country by mistake, abandon them'}, {'start': '131.599', 'end': '136.800', 'text': 'there, and even to refuse to do what the'}, {'start': '134.959', 'end': '138.800', 'text': 'Supreme Court asked them to do, which is'}, {'start': '136.800', 'end': '141.840', 'text': 'to bring him back. So, I think'}, {'start': '138.800', 'end': '144.160', 'text': 'fundamentally this raises the alarm for'}, {'start': '141.840', 'end': '146.480', 'text': 'every American that cares about due'}, {'start': '144.160', 'end': '148.080', 'text': 'process and their safety and security in'}, {'start': '146.480', 'end': '149.599', 'text': "our country, right? because there's a"}, {'start': '148.080', 'end': '151.920', 'text': 'piece of paper that was filled out by a'}, {'start': '149.599', 'end': '154.879', 'text': "de a detective with the Prince George's"}, {'start': '151.920', 'end': '158.959', 'text': 'County authorities saying that because'}, {'start': '154.879', 'end': '161.440', 'text': 'he had a hat on and some clothes that he'}, {'start': '158.959', 'end': '163.920', 'text': 'thought was part of quote Latino or'}, {'start': '161.440', 'end': '166.200', 'text': 'Hispanic gang culture, he should be'}, {'start': '163.920', 'end': '169.120', 'text': 'thought of as a member of'}, {'start': '166.200', 'end': '172.080', 'text': "MS-13. That's the only thing in court"}, {'start': '169.120', 'end': '175.360', 'text': "that's ever been put forward then or"}, {'start': '172.080', 'end': '178.200', 'text': 'now. And that was adjudicated and looked'}, {'start': '175.360', 'end': '182.120', 'text': 'at even by a Trump appointed judge in'}, {'start': '178.200', 'end': '184.800', 'text': '2019 who then put a non- removal order'}, {'start': '182.120', 'end': '187.040', 'text': 'because after lots of questioning and'}, {'start': '184.800', 'end': '189.120', 'text': "representation on Kilargo Garcia's part"}, {'start': '187.040', 'end': '190.480', 'text': 'by attorneys, it was discovered by that'}, {'start': '189.120', 'end': '191.920', 'text': 'Trump appointed attorney that there was'}, {'start': '190.480', 'end': '194.480', 'text': 'a reasonable fear that if he went back'}, {'start': '191.920', 'end': '196.400', 'text': 'to El Salvador on his own recgnissance,'}, {'start': '194.480', 'end': '199.360', 'text': 'but being deported back there, he might'}, {'start': '196.400', 'end': '201.680', 'text': 'reasonably fear being abused or somehow'}, {'start': '199.360', 'end': '203.879', 'text': 'intimidated or threatened by a gang that'}, {'start': '201.680', 'end': '206.360', 'text': 'tried to recruit him when he lived in El'}, {'start': '203.879', 'end': '209.280', 'text': 'Salvador. But that piece of'}, {'start': '206.360', 'end': '211.840', 'text': 'paper has had no backing up since then'}, {'start': '209.280', 'end': '213.440', 'text': 'by the detectives or the authorities'}, {'start': '211.840', 'end': '216.319', 'text': 'from which it came. Do I have that'}, {'start': '213.440', 'end': '219.360', 'text': 'right? You have all the facts right. It'}, {'start': '216.319', 'end': '221.120', 'text': 'was a form that was never vetted. The uh'}, {'start': '219.360', 'end': '223.840', 'text': 'police officer that filled it out was'}, {'start': '221.120', 'end': '226.879', 'text': 'dismissed uh for other issues that he'}, {'start': '223.840', 'end': '230.239', 'text': 'had. Uh there is no more evidence at all'}, {'start': '226.879', 'end': '232.560', 'text': 'that Mr. Ro Garcia was in fact a member'}, {'start': '230.239', 'end': '234.560', 'text': "of a gang. There's no evidence that it"}, {'start': '232.560', 'end': '236.760', 'text': 'was just only allegations. And the point'}, {'start': '234.560', 'end': '240.959', 'text': 'that you just mentioned also is really'}, {'start': '236.760', 'end': '243.680', 'text': 'important. This was a in 2019 and a'}, {'start': '240.959', 'end': '247.120', 'text': 'Trump appointed judge reviewed all the'}, {'start': '243.680', 'end': '250.000', 'text': 'evidence and that judge also gave Mr.'}, {'start': '247.120', 'end': '251.840', 'text': 'Abrego Garcia a work permit and said'}, {'start': '250.000', 'end': '254.400', 'text': 'that he should stay in our country and'}, {'start': '251.840', 'end': '256.639', 'text': 'be allowed to work because of the danger'}, {'start': '254.400', 'end': '259.120', 'text': 'Mr. Argo Garcia would face if he was'}, {'start': '256.639', 'end': '261.120', 'text': 'deported to El Salvador. So it was'}, {'start': '259.120', 'end': '264.080', 'text': 'during the Trump administration that Mr.'}, {'start': '261.120', 'end': '266.479', 'text': 'Abrego Garcia got his work permit and'}, {'start': '264.080', 'end': '269.520', 'text': 'was vetted by a judge to be in the'}, {'start': '266.479', 'end': '271.919', 'text': "United States and and again there's no"}, {'start': '269.520', 'end': '274.800', 'text': 'evidence that this Trump administration'}, {'start': '271.919', 'end': '277.440', 'text': 'now has produced to really show that Mr.'}, {'start': '274.800', 'end': '280.320', 'text': 'Garcia is as what they say a a gang'}, {'start': '277.440', 'end': '282.639', 'text': 'member and twice once in 2019 and most'}, {'start': '280.320', 'end': '284.639', 'text': 'recently when he was held in detention'}, {'start': '282.639', 'end': '286.800', 'text': 'and said you will be let go if you give'}, {'start': '284.639', 'end': '289.120', 'text': 'us information about other gang members'}, {'start': '286.800', 'end': '291.840', 'text': 'you know both times as I understand it'}, {'start': '289.120', 'end': '293.919', 'text': 'Kimargo Garcia said nothing even though'}, {'start': '291.840', 'end': '295.919', 'text': 'if he had said something it might have'}, {'start': '293.919', 'end': '298.320', 'text': 'expedited his release because he said he'}, {'start': '295.919', 'end': '300.800', 'text': "didn't know anything about gang members."}, {'start': '298.320', 'end': '303.280', 'text': "That's right. And you know Mr. Berggo"}, {'start': '300.800', 'end': '308.080', 'text': 'Garcia is a member of the of the'}, {'start': '303.280', 'end': '310.400', 'text': 'community. He has a US spouse, US kids.'}, {'start': '308.080', 'end': '313.759', 'text': 'He he has a job. He has not been'}, {'start': '310.400', 'end': '315.600', 'text': 'involved with the law in that time. It'}, {'start': '313.759', 'end': '318.000', 'text': 'is really I think really important to'}, {'start': '315.600', 'end': '320.800', 'text': 'understand that this has again'}, {'start': '318.000', 'end': '322.160', 'text': 'implications for all of us and'}, {'start': '320.800', 'end': '323.440', 'text': 'especially this government. you know,'}, {'start': '322.160', 'end': '325.039', 'text': 'they admitted that they had made a'}, {'start': '323.440', 'end': '327.520', 'text': 'mistake when they when they sent him to'}, {'start': '325.039', 'end': '329.360', 'text': 'El Salvador. And I think the right'}, {'start': '327.520', 'end': '331.680', 'text': 'course of action here is to bring him'}, {'start': '329.360', 'end': '333.919', 'text': "back because again, there's no real"}, {'start': '331.680', 'end': '336.720', 'text': 'proof that he was ever a member of a'}, {'start': '333.919', 'end': '337.840', 'text': 'gang or had any criminal records and it'}, {'start': '336.720', 'end': '339.120', 'text': 'has been established he entered the'}, {'start': '337.840', 'end': '340.560', 'text': "country illegally and if he's brought"}, {'start': '339.120', 'end': '342.080', 'text': "back and there's a process by which he's"}, {'start': '340.560', 'end': '344.400', 'text': 'deported through that, most people would'}, {'start': '342.080', 'end': '346.560', 'text': 'say at least the due process played out'}, {'start': '344.400', 'end': '347.759', 'text': 'and played its course. Vanessa Cardinis,'}, {'start': '346.560', 'end': '350.479', 'text': 'thanks so much for joining us. I'}, {'start': '347.759', 'end': '350.479', 'text': 'appreciate it.'}]