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[{'start': '1.360', 'end': '4.880', 'text': 'Jen McCabe will be back on the stand'}, {'start': '3.040', 'end': '6.480', 'text': 'tomorrow, so stay tuned for that. In the'}, {'start': '4.880', 'end': '8.480', 'text': 'meantime, criminal defense attorney and'}, {'start': '6.480', 'end': '10.160', 'text': 'former prosecutor Mark Iglar has a thing'}, {'start': '8.480', 'end': '12.080', 'text': "or two to say about this trial. Let's"}, {'start': '10.160', 'end': '14.080', 'text': 'start with the tangled web part because'}, {'start': '12.080', 'end': '16.160', 'text': "this is the thing I I just can't"}, {'start': '14.080', 'end': '18.720', 'text': 'believe, although I guess I need to'}, {'start': '16.160', 'end': '21.119', 'text': 'believe it because not every town is'}, {'start': '18.720', 'end': '23.039', 'text': 'Boston or New York or or LA where nobody'}, {'start': '21.119', 'end': '24.720', 'text': 'knows each other. A lot of towns,'}, {'start': '23.039', 'end': '25.840', 'text': 'literally the whole town knows each'}, {'start': '24.720', 'end': '28.400', 'text': 'other and you got to pick a jury'}, {'start': '25.840', 'end': '31.359', 'text': 'somewhere, right? All right. Once again,'}, {'start': '28.400', 'end': '33.840', 'text': "I don't share your same emotion for this"}, {'start': '31.359', 'end': '35.760', 'text': 'issue, but there is merit to your'}, {'start': '33.840', 'end': '38.640', 'text': 'argument, the argument that the defense'}, {'start': '35.760', 'end': '40.160', 'text': 'is making, because at a minimum, it'}, {'start': '38.640', 'end': '42.360', 'text': 'gives people like you and others'}, {'start': '40.160', 'end': '44.239', 'text': 'watching this trial, the image of'}, {'start': '42.360', 'end': '45.840', 'text': "impropriy. Hey, judge, why don't you"}, {'start': '44.239', 'end': '48.000', 'text': 'just let one of the other judges handle'}, {'start': '45.840', 'end': '50.800', 'text': "this, one whose brother wasn't involved"}, {'start': '48.000', 'end': '54.399', 'text': 'with one of the witnesses, etc. That'}, {'start': '50.800', 'end': '56.719', 'text': "said, if this ends in conviction, I'm"}, {'start': '54.399', 'end': '59.280', 'text': "fairly certain from what I've heard,"}, {'start': '56.719', 'end': '61.600', 'text': 'this will not then lead to reversal'}, {'start': '59.280', 'end': '64.400', 'text': 'solely because the judge has that'}, {'start': '61.600', 'end': '65.920', 'text': 'connection that you described.'}, {'start': '64.400', 'end': '67.439', 'text': "Oh, you're saying that it's not an"}, {'start': '65.920', 'end': '69.200', 'text': "appellet issue, that this isn't"}, {'start': '67.439', 'end': '71.920', 'text': "something that's ripe to bring up for an"}, {'start': '69.200', 'end': '74.479', 'text': 'appeal. Anything could be an appellet'}, {'start': '71.920', 'end': '76.479', 'text': 'issue. The question becomes, and the'}, {'start': '74.479', 'end': '78.799', 'text': 'judge knows that, the question becomes'}, {'start': '76.479', 'end': '81.840', 'text': 'whether an appellet court is going to'}, {'start': '78.799', 'end': '83.600', 'text': 'reverse potentially a murder conviction'}, {'start': '81.840', 'end': '85.759', 'text': 'because of the facts that you brought'}, {'start': '83.600', 'end': '88.640', 'text': 'out that candidly we need some type of'}, {'start': '85.759', 'end': '90.720', 'text': 'chart to follow. But ultimately, when I'}, {'start': '88.640', 'end': '92.320', 'text': "analyzed it, it doesn't rise to the"}, {'start': '90.720', 'end': '94.000', 'text': "level where I think the appellet court's"}, {'start': '92.320', 'end': '96.720', 'text': 'going to say, "No, she should have'}, {'start': '94.000', 'end': '98.560', 'text': 'recused herself."'}, {'start': '96.720', 'end': '100.000', 'text': "Boy, that's bizarre. I always think if"}, {'start': '98.560', 'end': '102.799', 'text': "you're going to go to prison potentially"}, {'start': '100.000', 'end': '105.200', 'text': 'for decades, uh, it has to be so squeaky'}, {'start': '102.799', 'end': '107.439', 'text': 'clean. But like I said, sometimes the'}, {'start': '105.200', 'end': '108.880', 'text': "judge knows everyone. No, it doesn't"}, {'start': '107.439', 'end': '110.720', 'text': 'always have to be squeaky clean. In'}, {'start': '108.880', 'end': '112.720', 'text': 'fact, I found with a number of my cases,'}, {'start': '110.720', 'end': '116.079', 'text': 'the appellet court can say, "All right,'}, {'start': '112.720', 'end': '118.799', 'text': "error was committed, but it wasn't"}, {'start': '116.079', 'end': '121.680', 'text': "enormous. It wasn't enough to really"}, {'start': '118.799', 'end': '123.439', 'text': 'change the outcome." And so the judge,'}, {'start': '121.680', 'end': '125.119', 'text': 'you know, they could say, while we find'}, {'start': '123.439', 'end': '127.000', 'text': 'that the judge should have considered'}, {'start': '125.119', 'end': '129.280', 'text': 'recusing herself to avoid the image of'}, {'start': '127.000', 'end': '131.440', 'text': "impropriy, we don't believe that that"}, {'start': '129.280', 'end': '134.720', 'text': 'resulted in fundamental unfairness where'}, {'start': '131.440', 'end': '136.160', 'text': 'the defendant needs a new trial.'}, {'start': '134.720', 'end': '138.319', 'text': 'So the other question I have for you,'}, {'start': '136.160', 'end': '140.480', 'text': 'Mark, uh, so many people are invested in'}, {'start': '138.319', 'end': '142.400', 'text': "the Karen Reed case. It's so incredible."}, {'start': '140.480', 'end': '144.720', 'text': "Like it's overseas, it's across the"}, {'start': '142.400', 'end': '146.319', 'text': 'country, and a lot of people became'}, {'start': '144.720', 'end': '149.280', 'text': 'interested in trial number two because'}, {'start': '146.319', 'end': '151.920', 'text': 'of, you know, the docu series on it. But'}, {'start': '149.280', 'end': '154.480', 'text': 'the interesting thing is that it felt'}, {'start': '151.920', 'end': '156.720', 'text': 'when this second trial started that that'}, {'start': '154.480', 'end': '159.360', 'text': 'was it. Game over. First two witnesses.'}, {'start': '156.720', 'end': '161.400', 'text': "Karen Reed's done. She's guilty. Why is"}, {'start': '159.360', 'end': '164.080', 'text': 'it that people need to hold their'}, {'start': '161.400', 'end': '166.239', 'text': 'horses? Because what we have going on'}, {'start': '164.080', 'end': '168.680', 'text': 'here with these really talented defense'}, {'start': '166.239', 'end': '171.360', 'text': "lawyers is what I'm calling a courtroom"}, {'start': '168.680', 'end': '173.599', 'text': 'chaa where the prosecution witnesses'}, {'start': '171.360', 'end': '176.319', 'text': 'take us one step forward and then the'}, {'start': '173.599', 'end': '178.959', 'text': 'defense goes one step back or two steps'}, {'start': '176.319', 'end': '181.040', 'text': 'back. The witness says, "She said,"I hit'}, {'start': '178.959', 'end': '182.480', 'text': 'her. I I hit I hit. I hit." And then all'}, {'start': '181.040', 'end': '184.720', 'text': 'of a sudden, well, wait a second. You'}, {'start': '182.480', 'end': '186.319', 'text': "didn't say it here. And yes, your your"}, {'start': '184.720', 'end': '188.800', 'text': 'testimony was a little different. So,'}, {'start': '186.319', 'end': '191.280', 'text': "it's one step forward, two step back."}, {'start': '188.800', 'end': '193.920', 'text': 'And I think that this is really going to'}, {'start': '191.280', 'end': '196.720', 'text': 'highlight the importance of why that'}, {'start': '193.920', 'end': '198.519', 'text': "forensic evidence is key. That doesn't"}, {'start': '196.720', 'end': '200.319', 'text': "lie. That's not subject to"}, {'start': '198.519', 'end': '203.920', 'text': 'interpretation. That will either'}, {'start': '200.319', 'end': '206.000', 'text': "corroborate the state's case or not."}, {'start': '203.920', 'end': '208.640', 'text': "I love courtroom chaa because it's just"}, {'start': '206.000', 'end': '211.519', 'text': 'such a perfect visual experience of what'}, {'start': '208.640', 'end': '215.440', 'text': "happens. It's like a pendulum, a chaa,"}, {'start': '211.519', 'end': '217.200', 'text': 'but how much doubt is reasonable? And I'}, {'start': '215.440', 'end': '219.680', 'text': "know that's a really tough answer, but"}, {'start': '217.200', 'end': '222.159', 'text': "I'm just going to ask you for it. Yeah,"}, {'start': '219.680', 'end': '224.159', 'text': "I I don't know yet that you've got it"}, {'start': '222.159', 'end': '226.480', 'text': 'here. I think this prosecutor is doing a'}, {'start': '224.159', 'end': '228.640', 'text': 'fairly good job of focusing more on the'}, {'start': '226.480', 'end': '230.799', 'text': 'forensic evidence. Plus, I thought'}, {'start': '228.640', 'end': '234.080', 'text': "bringing the deedants's mother to the"}, {'start': '230.799', 'end': '236.799', 'text': 'stand to add that emotional testimony,'}, {'start': '234.080', 'end': '238.879', 'text': "it's what prosecutors love. They live"}, {'start': '236.799', 'end': '241.239', 'text': 'for it. They had her on the stand and'}, {'start': '238.879', 'end': '244.080', 'text': 'boy, she was likable. It was raw'}, {'start': '241.239', 'end': '245.920', 'text': "emotion. If you've got the forensic"}, {'start': '244.080', 'end': '249.360', 'text': 'evidence to show that she backed her'}, {'start': '245.920', 'end': '251.040', 'text': 'vehicle up at 24.2 two miles an hour,'}, {'start': '249.360', 'end': '252.879', 'text': "which is exactly what they're claiming,"}, {'start': '251.040', 'end': '254.560', 'text': 'and that the other forensic evidence'}, {'start': '252.879', 'end': '256.639', 'text': 'corroborates what these witnesses are'}, {'start': '254.560', 'end': '259.199', 'text': "saying, then she's going to get what she"}, {'start': '256.639', 'end': '260.959', 'text': 'deserves.'}, {'start': '259.199', 'end': '262.479', 'text': "Well, we'll see because um I think"}, {'start': '260.959', 'end': '264.160', 'text': "you'll agree with me here, and I'm just"}, {'start': '262.479', 'end': '266.400', 'text': 'going to go out on a limb, that Alan'}, {'start': '264.160', 'end': '268.880', 'text': 'Jackson is an incredible lawyer, and if'}, {'start': '266.400', 'end': '272.240', 'text': 'anybody can do it, I would concede that.'}, {'start': '268.880', 'end': '274.560', 'text': 'I would absolutely concede that.'}, {'start': '272.240', 'end': '276.960', 'text': 'Keep the tape. Keep the tape, everybody.'}, {'start': '274.560', 'end': '280.080', 'text': 'Iglar is agreeing. Hey, Mark, thanks for'}, {'start': '276.960', 'end': '282.160', 'text': 'coming on. Appreciate it. Take care.'}, {'start': '280.080', 'end': '283.919', 'text': "I'll see you again soon. Thank you for"}, {'start': '282.160', 'end': '285.840', 'text': 'watching. Subscribe below and download'}, {'start': '283.919', 'end': '288.280', 'text': 'our NewsNation app right now on your'}, {'start': '285.840', 'end': '293.479', 'text': 'phone and you will get fact-based,'}, {'start': '288.280', 'end': '293.479', 'text': 'unbiased news for all Americans.'}]