How Hackers Think  🔥Chris Roberts  🔥 Latest AI Risks for Business
Cyber Crime Junkies
[{'start': '1.900', 'end': '8.559', 'text': '[Music]'}, {'start': '5.080', 'end': '10.880', 'text': 'Imagine hacking the Mars rover, breaking'}, {'start': '8.559', 'end': '13.440', 'text': 'into NASA and the International Space'}, {'start': '10.880', 'end': '17.119', 'text': 'Station, all for educational purposes.'}, {'start': '13.440', 'end': '20.800', 'text': 'Or imagine hacking and exposing tracking'}, {'start': '17.119', 'end': '23.000', 'text': 'devices on camels in the Middle East. So'}, {'start': '20.800', 'end': '26.480', 'text': 'these multi-million dollar prize show'}, {'start': '23.000', 'end': '29.840', 'text': 'camels disappear off a tracking map.'}, {'start': '26.480', 'end': '32.640', 'text': 'Yeah, my guest did all of that. Welcome'}, {'start': '29.840', 'end': '35.680', 'text': 'to Cyber Crime Junkies. Today I sit down'}, {'start': '32.640', 'end': '38.719', 'text': 'with the legendary Chris Roberts, a'}, {'start': '35.680', 'end': '41.520', 'text': 'globally recognized CISO and strategist'}, {'start': '38.719', 'end': '43.520', 'text': 'for Worldwide Technologies AI and deep'}, {'start': '41.520', 'end': '46.160', 'text': 'fake initiatives, one of the original'}, {'start': '43.520', 'end': '48.239', 'text': 'Defcon leaders, and a worldrenowned'}, {'start': '46.160', 'end': '51.760', 'text': 'hacker with stories that sound like'}, {'start': '48.239', 'end': '53.840', 'text': 'movie scripts except that his are real.'}, {'start': '51.760', 'end': '56.719', 'text': 'We dive into what every business leader'}, {'start': '53.840', 'end': '59.920', 'text': 'needs to know and do first before cyber'}, {'start': '56.719', 'end': '61.920', 'text': 'risks like ransomware hit. Things like'}, {'start': '59.920', 'end': '65.439', 'text': 'incident response plans, tabletop'}, {'start': '61.920', 'end': '68.720', 'text': 'exercises, and even realworld solutions'}, {'start': '65.439', 'end': '71.600', 'text': 'and ways to protect rural organizations'}, {'start': '68.720', 'end': '74.080', 'text': 'and smaller organizations like rural'}, {'start': '71.600', 'end': '77.280', 'text': 'health care systems and some small'}, {'start': '74.080', 'end': '80.479', 'text': 'businesses. This episode is eyeopening,'}, {'start': '77.280', 'end': '82.159', 'text': "practical, and unforgettable. Let's get"}, {'start': '80.479', 'end': '85.439', 'text': 'into it.'}, {'start': '82.159', 'end': '87.600', 'text': 'This is Cyber Crime Junkies and now the'}, {'start': '85.439', 'end': '90.159', 'text': "show. Look, let's be real. Cyber crime"}, {'start': '87.600', 'end': '92.640', 'text': 'is everywhere. Data breaches are hitting'}, {'start': '90.159', 'end': '95.360', 'text': 'headlines constantly. I started Cyber'}, {'start': '92.640', 'end': '98.000', 'text': 'Crime Junkies for two reasons. Because'}, {'start': '95.360', 'end': '100.240', 'text': 'true crime stories are addictive and'}, {'start': '98.000', 'end': '102.720', 'text': 'because leadership can be learned and'}, {'start': '100.240', 'end': '105.600', 'text': 'great leaders need to understand cyber'}, {'start': '102.720', 'end': '108.320', 'text': 'today without all the technical jargon.'}, {'start': '105.600', 'end': '110.960', 'text': 'So, do us a favor, smash that subscribe'}, {'start': '108.320', 'end': '113.040', 'text': "button. join a community that's done"}, {'start': '110.960', 'end': '114.960', 'text': "with doing things the way they've always"}, {'start': '113.040', 'end': '116.960', 'text': "been done. So, let's get ahead of the"}, {'start': '114.960', 'end': '119.600', 'text': 'threats and become the kind of leaders'}, {'start': '116.960', 'end': '122.799', 'text': 'who actually stop them. These days,'}, {'start': '119.600', 'end': '127.200', 'text': "being informed isn't optional. This is"}, {'start': '122.799', 'end': '127.200', 'text': 'Cyber Crime Junkies and now the'}, {'start': '128.200', 'end': '133.440', 'text': 'show. All right. Well, welcome everybody'}, {'start': '130.879', 'end': '136.560', 'text': 'to Cyber Crime Junkies. I am your host'}, {'start': '133.440', 'end': '140.160', 'text': 'David Marorrow and in the studio today'}, {'start': '136.560', 'end': '142.680', 'text': 'is a living legend uh world famous'}, {'start': '140.160', 'end': '145.520', 'text': 'globally recognized strategist,'}, {'start': '142.680', 'end': '148.640', 'text': 'researcher, hacker, advisory board'}, {'start': '145.520', 'end': '150.720', 'text': 'member, CISO military veteran and author'}, {'start': '148.640', 'end': '152.239', 'text': 'currently serving as the artificial'}, {'start': '150.720', 'end': '155.760', 'text': 'intelligence and deep fake cyber'}, {'start': '152.239', 'end': '159.760', 'text': 'strategist at Worldwide Technology. The'}, {'start': '155.760', 'end': '161.519', 'text': 'one and only Chris Roberts. Sir, welcome'}, {'start': '159.760', 'end': '163.920', 'text': 'to the studio.'}, {'start': '161.519', 'end': '167.760', 'text': 'I appreciate the heck out of that intro.'}, {'start': '163.920', 'end': '168.879', 'text': 'I feel if uh just remind my ego that I'}, {'start': '167.760', 'end': '170.480', 'text': 'still need to be able to get through the'}, {'start': '168.879', 'end': '173.280', 'text': "damn door if it doesn't in the first"}, {'start': '170.480', 'end': '175.519', 'text': 'Yeah. Yes. Hey, I will I will gladly do'}, {'start': '173.280', 'end': '177.519', 'text': 'that before any Zoom meetings or Teams'}, {'start': '175.519', 'end': '179.840', 'text': 'meetings you have. Just come in, intro'}, {'start': '177.519', 'end': '181.360', 'text': "you, and leave. Yeah. Don't do that to"}, {'start': '179.840', 'end': '182.879', 'text': "me. I tell you, people I'll start to"}, {'start': '181.360', 'end': '184.640', 'text': 'believe the rubbish at which point in'}, {'start': '182.879', 'end': '186.640', 'text': "time I'll lose who the heck I am. I"}, {'start': '184.640', 'end': '188.720', 'text': 'swear.'}, {'start': '186.640', 'end': '190.159', 'text': "So, how have you been? You've been doing"}, {'start': '188.720', 'end': '192.159', 'text': "well. You've had a lot of lot of"}, {'start': '190.159', 'end': '194.319', 'text': "changes. I see you're doing a lot of"}, {'start': '192.159', 'end': '197.040', 'text': 'work, a lot of speaking events, keeping'}, {'start': '194.319', 'end': '199.360', 'text': 'busy. I see. Yeah, keeping very very'}, {'start': '197.040', 'end': '200.800', 'text': "busy, which probably isn't a bad thing."}, {'start': '199.360', 'end': '202.480', 'text': "You know, to some degree, it's nicer to"}, {'start': '200.800', 'end': '203.760', 'text': 'be busier than it is twiddling thumbs'}, {'start': '202.480', 'end': '207.120', 'text': 'wondering what that guy meant to be'}, {'start': '203.760', 'end': '208.400', 'text': "doing. So, uh, it's good. Um, it's"}, {'start': '207.120', 'end': '210.159', 'text': 'definitely, as you said, definitely'}, {'start': '208.400', 'end': '212.080', 'text': 'different. A lot of change over the last'}, {'start': '210.159', 'end': '213.840', 'text': '12 months. You know, changed locations,'}, {'start': '212.080', 'end': '217.680', 'text': 'changed jobs. Yeah. You moved from'}, {'start': '213.840', 'end': '219.200', 'text': 'Colorado to the to, uh, um, Missouri era'}, {'start': '217.680', 'end': '222.400', 'text': 'moved. Yeah. middle of middle middle of'}, {'start': '219.200', 'end': '224.159', 'text': 'the Swamplands, Missouri, which is um'}, {'start': '222.400', 'end': '226.239', 'text': 'definitely a change and not a bad one.'}, {'start': '224.159', 'end': '230.720', 'text': 'Uh yeah, for a variety of reasons I'}, {'start': '226.239', 'end': '232.400', 'text': 'moved here. Um and I think what'}, {'start': '230.720', 'end': '234.000', 'text': 'I appreciate about this neck of the'}, {'start': '232.400', 'end': '236.239', 'text': 'woods is the greenery. I missed that in'}, {'start': '234.000', 'end': '239.120', 'text': 'Colorado. I I got to be honest, I just'}, {'start': '236.239', 'end': '241.760', 'text': 'got fed up with with brush brown, lots'}, {'start': '239.120', 'end': '243.439', 'text': 'of California wildfire smoke and'}, {'start': '241.760', 'end': '246.319', 'text': 'overcrowded'}, {'start': '243.439', 'end': '248.400', 'text': 'uh overcrowded parks and trails. And'}, {'start': '246.319', 'end': '250.879', 'text': 'obviously the cost over there was just'}, {'start': '248.400', 'end': '254.519', 'text': 'stupid. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. No, the'}, {'start': '250.879', 'end': '256.359', 'text': 'Midwest is uh really affordable,'}, {'start': '254.519', 'end': '259.359', 'text': 'good'}, {'start': '256.359', 'end': '261.040', 'text': 'general ways to get around and I mean'}, {'start': '259.359', 'end': '263.040', 'text': "it's got a lot of things to offer. You"}, {'start': '261.040', 'end': '265.440', 'text': 'just have to know where to look. But uh'}, {'start': '263.040', 'end': '268.320', 'text': "I think that's it. You know, it's it's"}, {'start': '265.440', 'end': '270.720', 'text': "interesting cuz there's pockets. There's"}, {'start': '268.320', 'end': '272.639', 'text': 'pockets. You know, I I remember going up'}, {'start': '270.720', 'end': '275.280', 'text': 'to Corn Con. You you go up to Kong Con,'}, {'start': '272.639', 'end': '276.720', 'text': 'which is in freaking Davenport, Iowa. in'}, {'start': '275.280', 'end': '280.479', 'text': "the middle of I'm very familiar with"}, {'start': '276.720', 'end': '286.000', 'text': 'that area. Middle of nowhere and there'}, {'start': '280.479', 'end': '290.000', 'text': 'is the most amazing restaurant known to'}, {'start': '286.000', 'end': '291.520', 'text': "mankind. Doug City Beastro. It's just I"}, {'start': '290.000', 'end': '293.199', 'text': "don't know what the heck they were think"}, {'start': '291.520', 'end': '295.199', 'text': 'I mean I do know cuz I talked to the the'}, {'start': '293.199', 'end': '297.280', 'text': "chef but it was amazing. But it's just"}, {'start': '295.199', 'end': '299.759', 'text': "it's like here you know I've got more"}, {'start': '297.280', 'end': '302.880', 'text': 'diverse food choices and cultural'}, {'start': '299.759', 'end': '305.040', 'text': 'choices here in you know St. Louis neck'}, {'start': '302.880', 'end': '306.880', 'text': "of the woods. I'm south of St."}, {'start': '305.040', 'end': '308.960', 'text': "than I ever got in Colorado. I'm just"}, {'start': '306.880', 'end': '312.000', 'text': 'like, you know, stuff like that that'}, {'start': '308.960', 'end': '314.320', 'text': 'unless you know, you just ignore it.'}, {'start': '312.000', 'end': '317.759', 'text': 'Yeah. I think a lot of it is just, you'}, {'start': '314.320', 'end': '320.639', 'text': "know, are I don't want to say like the"}, {'start': '317.759', 'end': '322.560', 'text': 'media. I just mean just common'}, {'start': '320.639', 'end': '325.120', 'text': 'relationships and things. People just'}, {'start': '322.560', 'end': '327.919', 'text': 'always assume the coasts and the bigger'}, {'start': '325.120', 'end': '330.720', 'text': 'cities have all of it and like the'}, {'start': '327.919', 'end': '333.440', 'text': 'Midwest is just cow tipping on the'}, {'start': '330.720', 'end': '335.199', 'text': "weekends like and I'm like in cornfield."}, {'start': '333.440', 'end': '336.560', 'text': 'You guys need to come here and stay a'}, {'start': '335.199', 'end': '338.800', 'text': "little. It's a little different than"}, {'start': '336.560', 'end': '342.080', 'text': "that. I know you say that. I don't want"}, {'start': '338.800', 'end': '344.960', 'text': "them. I don't know. Like that's a good"}, {'start': '342.080', 'end': '347.280', 'text': "point. It's a good point. Like there's a"}, {'start': '344.960', 'end': '349.440', 'text': "reason it's special here. Well, I mean"}, {'start': '347.280', 'end': '352.680', 'text': 'that was Colorado was I mean I got sent'}, {'start': '349.440', 'end': '355.520', 'text': 'out there in or brought out there in'}, {'start': '352.680', 'end': '357.360', 'text': '0506ish. So'}, {'start': '355.520', 'end': '359.680', 'text': 'that was a pretty long stamp. Yeah. You'}, {'start': '357.360', 'end': '363.039', 'text': 'were out there for a while. Yeah. Now I'}, {'start': '359.680', 'end': '365.680', 'text': 'moved like about every 6 months but I'}, {'start': '363.039', 'end': '367.680', 'text': 'was out there for a long time and and I'}, {'start': '365.680', 'end': '369.840', 'text': 'saw it even when I went out there I felt'}, {'start': '367.680', 'end': '372.520', 'text': "guilty. I'm like I'm sorry I'm coming to"}, {'start': '369.840', 'end': '375.600', 'text': 'Colorado. And it was still'}, {'start': '372.520', 'end': '378.000', 'text': 'relatively quiet and civilized, but'}, {'start': '375.600', 'end': '379.759', 'text': "yeah, I mean like it's it's I feel I"}, {'start': '378.000', 'end': '382.319', 'text': 'have a level of pity and empathy for'}, {'start': '379.759', 'end': '384.080', 'text': 'people that grew up there and you know'}, {'start': '382.319', 'end': '386.880', 'text': "they've seen their fields turned into"}, {'start': '384.080', 'end': '389.479', 'text': "Starbucks basically and I'm like"}, {'start': '386.880', 'end': '392.479', 'text': "yeah I mean there's"}, {'start': '389.479', 'end': '394.800', 'text': 'that constant demand for consumption'}, {'start': '392.479', 'end': '396.639', 'text': 'that Americans have and this you know'}, {'start': '394.800', 'end': '399.280', 'text': 'the constant demand for development and'}, {'start': '396.639', 'end': '403.120', 'text': 'then a lot of good history and a lot of'}, {'start': '399.280', 'end': '404.960', 'text': 'good tradition goes goes away. Um, but'}, {'start': '403.120', 'end': '407.600', 'text': "that's where cyber security kind of"}, {'start': '404.960', 'end': '410.160', 'text': 'comes in to kind of protect. Hey, so one'}, {'start': '407.600', 'end': '412.000', 'text': "of the things, you know, and I've"}, {'start': '410.160', 'end': '414.479', 'text': 'clarified this numerous times on our'}, {'start': '412.000', 'end': '416.720', 'text': 'podcast and one of the things you taught'}, {'start': '414.479', 'end': '419.440', 'text': 'us right in when we were first starting'}, {'start': '416.720', 'end': '423.120', 'text': 'this podcast, which was phenomenal, was'}, {'start': '419.440', 'end': '426.800', 'text': 'the concept of a hacker, right? Because'}, {'start': '423.120', 'end': '429.080', 'text': 'so many people, business owners that we'}, {'start': '426.800', 'end': '431.360', 'text': 'speak with, leaders in midsize'}, {'start': '429.080', 'end': '433.440', 'text': 'organizations, they they have a'}, {'start': '431.360', 'end': '436.240', 'text': 'preconceived notion, right? They just'}, {'start': '433.440', 'end': '438.080', 'text': 'assume that the term means somebody'}, {'start': '436.240', 'end': '441.520', 'text': "that's going to do harm or that"}, {'start': '438.080', 'end': '444.960', 'text': "somebody's going to break things. And"}, {'start': '441.520', 'end': '447.919', 'text': "and and really what they're they're not"}, {'start': '444.960', 'end': '449.919', 'text': 'really concerned. The their heads always'}, {'start': '447.919', 'end': '451.599', 'text': "spin whenever I explain you're not"}, {'start': '449.919', 'end': '453.759', 'text': 'concerned with hackers. You want to'}, {'start': '451.599', 'end': '456.560', 'text': 'employ them. You want to have them on'}, {'start': '453.759', 'end': '458.479', 'text': "your side. You're concerned about cyber"}, {'start': '456.560', 'end': '461.440', 'text': "criminals. You're concerned about threat"}, {'start': '458.479', 'end': '463.520', 'text': 'actors. And they can come in the form of'}, {'start': '461.440', 'end': '466.560', 'text': 'a lot of different things. Some of them'}, {'start': '463.520', 'end': '469.360', 'text': 'may have technical skills like a hacker'}, {'start': '466.560', 'end': '472.880', 'text': 'would. And some of them are just part of'}, {'start': '469.360', 'end': '475.919', 'text': 'organized crime or part of groups,'}, {'start': '472.880', 'end': '477.120', 'text': 'right? Yep. Yeah. Very much so. I mean,'}, {'start': '475.919', 'end': '478.720', 'text': 'you start taking a look at organized'}, {'start': '477.120', 'end': '481.080', 'text': "crime and groups and that point you're"}, {'start': '478.720', 'end': '483.680', 'text': 'looking at criminal, adversary,'}, {'start': '481.080', 'end': '486.800', 'text': 'attacker, malicious individual. I mean,'}, {'start': '483.680', 'end': '489.440', 'text': "it's to me it's the same thing. It's"}, {'start': '486.800', 'end': '492.000', 'text': "let's say we have an accountant. That"}, {'start': '489.440', 'end': '494.879', 'text': 'accountant is an accountant. If that'}, {'start': '492.000', 'end': '497.400', 'text': "accountant goes rogue, right? We don't"}, {'start': '494.879', 'end': '500.639', 'text': 'look at them as a malicious accountant'}, {'start': '497.400', 'end': '502.639', 'text': "or whatever. They're a criminal. you"}, {'start': '500.639', 'end': '505.440', 'text': "know, it's it's whether they're white"}, {'start': '502.639', 'end': '506.720', 'text': 'color, blue color behind the actions and'}, {'start': '505.440', 'end': '509.199', 'text': "that's it. It's like if you've got"}, {'start': '506.720', 'end': '510.960', 'text': "somebody who's working on computers or"}, {'start': '509.199', 'end': '513.279', 'text': "then they're working on computers, they"}, {'start': '510.960', 'end': '514.640', 'text': "they're a cyber security folk like me. I"}, {'start': '513.279', 'end': '516.719', 'text': 'mean, I identify as you said as a'}, {'start': '514.640', 'end': '518.399', 'text': "hacker, but it's ironic and this isn't"}, {'start': '516.719', 'end': '522.320', 'text': "deliberate. I realize I'm wearing my"}, {'start': '518.399', 'end': '525.040', 'text': 'redneck science sweatshirt today. And I'}, {'start': '522.320', 'end': '527.360', 'text': 'mean, probably one of the I I love I'}, {'start': '525.040', 'end': '529.600', 'text': 'love the guy that does the YouTube'}, {'start': '527.360', 'end': '532.160', 'text': 'videos all over it. When you think about'}, {'start': '529.600', 'end': '534.320', 'text': "it, that's a hacker. I mean, the crazy"}, {'start': '532.160', 'end': '536.640', 'text': 'stuff that that guy does with a bunch of'}, {'start': '534.320', 'end': '538.640', 'text': 'friends out in the middle of cornfields'}, {'start': '536.640', 'end': '540.240', 'text': "is amazing, but he's hacking and he's"}, {'start': '538.640', 'end': '543.519', 'text': 'hacking vehicles and everything else or'}, {'start': '540.240', 'end': '546.560', 'text': "he's a mechanic with uh a flare, shall"}, {'start': '543.519', 'end': '549.360', 'text': "we say? But um it's the same thing. I I"}, {'start': '546.560', 'end': '551.360', 'text': "think it's, you know, it drives me nuts"}, {'start': '549.360', 'end': '553.200', 'text': 'more often than not when in our own'}, {'start': '551.360', 'end': '554.640', 'text': "industry. If if it's somebody from"}, {'start': '553.200', 'end': '557.360', 'text': "business or if it's a person on the"}, {'start': '554.640', 'end': '558.640', 'text': 'street, I can forgive that 100% because'}, {'start': '557.360', 'end': '559.920', 'text': "they've seen the media, they've listened"}, {'start': '558.640', 'end': '562.560', 'text': "to the media, but if it's somebody in"}, {'start': '559.920', 'end': '564.320', 'text': 'our own industry, I I took somebody to'}, {'start': '562.560', 'end': '567.839', 'text': "just calling them hackers. It doesn't"}, {'start': '564.320', 'end': '569.440', 'text': "make sense. Yeah. It's terribly"}, {'start': '567.839', 'end': '570.880', 'text': 'frustrating. I took somebody to task'}, {'start': '569.440', 'end': '573.519', 'text': 'over it the other day. It was like a new'}, {'start': '570.880', 'end': '575.760', 'text': 'startup company that was advertising for'}, {'start': '573.519', 'end': '577.360', 'text': 'people. And I\'m just like, "Hey, you\'re'}, {'start': '575.760', 'end': '579.040', 'text': 'beating up on the very people that'}, {'start': '577.360', 'end': '580.480', 'text': 'started this industry." And they\'re'}, {'start': '579.040', 'end': '582.160', 'text': 'like, "Well, we\'ll call them black hat."'}, {'start': '580.480', 'end': '584.160', 'text': 'And I\'m like, "Really? You\'re going to'}, {'start': '582.160', 'end': '585.760', 'text': "go You're going to go there in today's"}, {'start': '584.160', 'end': '588.000', 'text': "level of sensitivities. You're going to"}, {'start': '585.760', 'end': '590.959', 'text': 'say white equals good, black equals'}, {'start': '588.000', 'end': '593.920', 'text': 'bad." Yeah. Probably not the best'}, {'start': '590.959', 'end': '597.440', 'text': 'approach. Exactly.'}, {'start': '593.920', 'end': '599.839', 'text': 'Color, right? You can you can just say'}, {'start': '597.440', 'end': '602.320', 'text': 'threat actor like everybody knows what'}, {'start': '599.839', 'end': '604.959', 'text': 'that is or c or cyber criminal.'}, {'start': '602.320', 'end': '607.120', 'text': 'Everybody knows what that is. Exactly.'}, {'start': '604.959', 'end': '609.440', 'text': "Yeah. Very very much so. So I think it's"}, {'start': '607.120', 'end': '611.519', 'text': "it's one of those you know I didn't even"}, {'start': '609.440', 'end': '614.640', 'text': 'think about the black hat white hat'}, {'start': '611.519', 'end': '616.320', 'text': "thing. Oh jeez. Yeah. We didn't we"}, {'start': '614.640', 'end': '617.760', 'text': "didn't we didn't years ago. When you"}, {'start': '616.320', 'end': '620.320', 'text': "think about it, you know, black hat's"}, {'start': '617.760', 'end': '621.760', 'text': 'been going what 30 odd years now. Yeah.'}, {'start': '620.320', 'end': '624.160', 'text': 'When you think about it, it was a black'}, {'start': '621.760', 'end': '625.680', 'text': "hat. You're you know I I identified as a"}, {'start': '624.160', 'end': '627.680', 'text': 'gray hat. I mean, one of my license'}, {'start': '625.680', 'end': '630.399', 'text': 'plates on my one of my cars years ago,'}, {'start': '627.680', 'end': '634.079', 'text': 'and I still have the plate, was gray Gly'}, {'start': '630.399', 'end': '635.920', 'text': "hat. That's great. But you look at"}, {'start': '634.079', 'end': '637.920', 'text': "today's society and the last thing I"}, {'start': '635.920', 'end': '639.680', 'text': 'want to do is stand up on stage and go,'}, {'start': '637.920', 'end': '643.839', 'text': 'you know, white hats are good because'}, {'start': '639.680', 'end': '646.240', 'text': "they're white hats. Let's not do that."}, {'start': '643.839', 'end': '648.720', 'text': "We've hopefully learned a little bit."}, {'start': '646.240', 'end': '651.760', 'text': "So, tell me about I'm excited about uh"}, {'start': '648.720', 'end': '654.880', 'text': 'about your new role. So, AI and deep'}, {'start': '651.760', 'end': '656.560', 'text': "fake strategist. Um yeah, I've gone in"}, {'start': '654.880', 'end': '659.279', 'text': 'and and you know this taps into the'}, {'start': '656.560', 'end': '662.079', 'text': 'hacker mind. 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My attack'}, {'start': '1702.399', 'end': '1707.600', 'text': 'surface has greatly increased and my'}, {'start': '1705.360', 'end': '1709.919', 'text': 'ability to succeed against you because'}, {'start': '1707.600', 'end': '1712.640', 'text': "it's an autonomous customization of a"}, {'start': '1709.919', 'end': '1716.240', 'text': 'script or something is is absolutely'}, {'start': '1712.640', 'end': '1718.520', 'text': 'accelerated. And so therefore, you see a'}, {'start': '1716.240', 'end': '1721.760', 'text': 'much you see a much'}, {'start': '1718.520', 'end': '1724.159', 'text': 'faster path to an attack, a much more'}, {'start': '1721.760', 'end': '1726.919', 'text': 'effective attack, and unfortunately a'}, {'start': '1724.159', 'end': '1730.399', 'text': 'much more successful set of attacks. And'}, {'start': '1726.919', 'end': '1734.840', 'text': "that's that's not good obviously for"}, {'start': '1730.399', 'end': '1736.440', 'text': 'everybody. 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That to me is a'}, {'start': '1768.240', 'end': '1775.919', 'text': 'competitive disadvantage, right? Like'}, {'start': '1771.760', 'end': '1779.039', 'text': "and it's a fool's errand. I mean, two"}, {'start': '1775.919', 'end': '1783.520', 'text': 'reasons. One, B yod, bring your own'}, {'start': '1779.039', 'end': '1786.320', 'text': 'device. Do you remember what 10 12ish?'}, {'start': '1783.520', 'end': '1788.559', 'text': 'Let me just go 12ish 15 years ago. So'}, {'start': '1786.320', 'end': '1790.559', 'text': 'many people and myself probably included'}, {'start': '1788.559', 'end': '1793.120', 'text': 'stood up in cyber security and you shall'}, {'start': '1790.559', 'end': '1795.159', 'text': 'never bring your personal device into my'}, {'start': '1793.120', 'end': '1797.440', 'text': 'world. I remember having those'}, {'start': '1795.159', 'end': '1798.720', 'text': 'conversations and we were quite adamant'}, {'start': '1797.440', 'end': '1800.960', 'text': 'about it. 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The alarms have gone off. Oh'}, {'start': '2224.320', 'end': '2227.839', 'text': "no, it's an incident. What do we do? Uh,"}, {'start': '2226.000', 'end': '2230.320', 'text': "I don't know. Let's reach for the A to"}, {'start': '2227.839', 'end': '2231.760', 'text': 'Z. Uh, who do we call? What do we Yeah.'}, {'start': '2230.320', 'end': '2234.160', 'text': 'Well, Carl was supposed to be doing'}, {'start': '2231.760', 'end': '2236.720', 'text': "this. That's what it says. Uh Carl left"}, {'start': '2234.160', 'end': '2239.040', 'text': '6 months ago. You\'re like, "Okay, who\'s'}, {'start': '2236.720', 'end': '2240.640', 'text': 'supposed to do it now?" Right. Yeah. And'}, {'start': '2239.040', 'end': '2243.200', 'text': 'and who do we call it? Do we have'}, {'start': '2240.640', 'end': '2245.839', 'text': "anybody on retainer? What's the next"}, {'start': '2243.200', 'end': '2248.720', 'text': "steps? All of those things. So there's"}, {'start': '2245.839', 'end': '2251.440', 'text': "what's a talk channel? Like how do I how"}, {'start': '2248.720', 'end': '2253.359', 'text': 'do I get the tour browser and talk to'}, {'start': '2251.440', 'end': '2256.000', 'text': "these guys? Who's going to negotiate?"}, {'start': '2253.359', 'end': '2258.720', 'text': "Like that's it. Yeah. Who's keeping the"}, {'start': '2256.000', 'end': '2260.400', 'text': "who's keeping the board appraised? Who's"}, {'start': '2258.720', 'end': '2262.480', 'text': 'I mean, you know as well as I do. you'}, {'start': '2260.400', 'end': '2265.119', 'text': 'get into an incident, you actually have'}, {'start': '2262.480', 'end': '2266.800', 'text': 'to have a handler for the client because'}, {'start': '2265.119', 'end': '2268.000', 'text': 'right like anybody they\'re like, "Have I'}, {'start': '2266.800', 'end': '2269.119', 'text': "now? How have I now? 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I mean we'}, {'start': '2333.839', 'end': '2338.720', 'text': 'have billboards. We have billboards up'}, {'start': '2336.560', 'end': '2341.280', 'text': 'and down the roads telling you if you'}, {'start': '2338.720', 'end': '2344.400', 'text': "get into an accident you'll get"}, {'start': '2341.280', 'end': '2346.960', 'text': 'millions. Yes. Usually a guy standing on'}, {'start': '2344.400', 'end': '2349.200', 'text': 'a truck, right? Like with a hammer or'}, {'start': '2346.960', 'end': '2351.200', 'text': 'something. Yeah.'}, {'start': '2349.200', 'end': '2353.520', 'text': 'All of that.'}, {'start': '2351.200', 'end': '2356.960', 'text': "Yeah. And I mean I think that's it is"}, {'start': '2353.520', 'end': '2360.000', 'text': "but I'll say this, you know, again if I"}, {'start': '2356.960', 'end': '2361.520', 'text': "if I as a customer have we've seen it"}, {'start': '2360.000', 'end': '2363.040', 'text': 'too often. If I as a customer come to'}, {'start': '2361.520', 'end': '2364.400', 'text': 'you as a company and go, "Hey, uh I'}, {'start': '2363.040', 'end': '2366.160', 'text': "notice there's a problem on your"}, {'start': '2364.400', 'end': '2368.560', 'text': 'website. I noticed this. I can get to'}, {'start': '2366.160', 'end': '2370.400', 'text': 'this and you do nothing and you continue'}, {'start': '2368.560', 'end': '2372.079', 'text': 'to do nothing and you ignore it and you'}, {'start': '2370.400', 'end': '2373.920', 'text': "don't have and again so it's the"}, {'start': '2372.079', 'end': '2376.640', 'text': 'tabletop exercises is good when'}, {'start': '2373.920', 'end': '2380.000', 'text': 'something happens but on that front end'}, {'start': '2376.640', 'end': '2381.680', 'text': 'you need a way to to bring that inband'}, {'start': '2380.000', 'end': '2383.520', 'text': "feedback whether it's an official bug"}, {'start': '2381.680', 'end': '2386.160', 'text': "bounty whether it's unofficial whether"}, {'start': '2383.520', 'end': '2388.960', 'text': "you've got a go-to something where you"}, {'start': '2386.160', 'end': '2390.720', 'text': 'actually pay attention to people and'}, {'start': '2388.960', 'end': '2392.320', 'text': 'then you give thanks in whatever way'}, {'start': '2390.720', 'end': '2393.920', 'text': 'shape form or whatever you need to. I'}, {'start': '2392.320', 'end': '2396.359', 'text': "don't see that as often as I really"}, {'start': '2393.920', 'end': '2400.320', 'text': "would like to. Yeah, that's a great"}, {'start': '2396.359', 'end': '2402.320', 'text': "point. That's absolutely a great point."}, {'start': '2400.320', 'end': '2407.040', 'text': 'Um'}, {'start': '2402.320', 'end': '2409.040', 'text': 'let me ask you um rural health care,'}, {'start': '2407.040', 'end': '2410.720', 'text': 'smaller manufacturing but rural'}, {'start': '2409.040', 'end': '2414.720', 'text': 'healthcare'}, {'start': '2410.720', 'end': '2417.359', 'text': 'um you know it is it is the one bastion'}, {'start': '2414.720', 'end': '2419.280', 'text': 'where you know like I think about it 20'}, {'start': '2417.359', 'end': '2421.920', 'text': 'years ago we had two versions of our'}, {'start': '2419.280', 'end': '2424.720', 'text': 'world right like we had our physical'}, {'start': '2421.920', 'end': '2426.800', 'text': 'world we had our digital world but our'}, {'start': '2424.720', 'end': '2429.839', 'text': 'nurse still had all of our medical'}, {'start': '2426.800', 'end': '2433.440', 'text': 'records in a stack of paper right and'}, {'start': '2429.839', 'end': '2436.480', 'text': 'should the computers go down one day um'}, {'start': '2433.440', 'end': '2439.839', 'text': 'or a couple days like okay a little'}, {'start': '2436.480', 'end': '2442.880', 'text': 'inconvenient but we were fine we could'}, {'start': '2439.839', 'end': '2445.520', 'text': 'still function and medical care could'}, {'start': '2442.880', 'end': '2447.359', 'text': 'proceed and business could operate if'}, {'start': '2445.520', 'end': '2449.760', 'text': "it's just a manufacturing like"}, {'start': '2447.359', 'end': '2451.599', 'text': 'production would be fine sales could'}, {'start': '2449.760', 'end': '2453.280', 'text': 'continue'}, {'start': '2451.599', 'end': '2455.599', 'text': "we've gone through this whole like"}, {'start': '2453.280', 'end': '2459.760', 'text': 'digital transformation that the vendors'}, {'start': '2455.599', 'end': '2462.000', 'text': 'all drove us to right and now we are so'}, {'start': '2459.760', 'end': '2464.640', 'text': 'dependent on our techn we are more'}, {'start': '2462.000', 'end': '2466.960', 'text': 'dependent than ever and we all have a'}, {'start': '2464.640', 'end': '2469.240', 'text': 'multiple number of devices and then when'}, {'start': '2466.960', 'end': '2472.960', 'text': 'those go down'}, {'start': '2469.240', 'end': '2476.240', 'text': "like there's so many case studies now"}, {'start': '2472.960', 'end': '2479.680', 'text': 'like people like people have to get'}, {'start': '2476.240', 'end': '2482.880', 'text': 'treatments changed they have to um you'}, {'start': '2479.680', 'end': '2485.680', 'text': "know they they can't accept emergency um"}, {'start': '2482.880', 'end': '2488.480', 'text': 'patients but in a rural setting the next'}, {'start': '2485.680', 'end': '2492.079', 'text': 'one could be two and a half hours away'}, {'start': '2488.480', 'end': '2495.599', 'text': "big Yeah, that's I mean it's really"}, {'start': '2492.079', 'end': '2498.400', 'text': 'affecting our physical world more so'}, {'start': '2495.599', 'end': '2499.680', 'text': "than it ever has. Oh yeah. And and it's"}, {'start': '2498.400', 'end': '2502.400', 'text': 'going to continue to do so'}, {'start': '2499.680', 'end': '2504.280', 'text': 'unfortunately. Yeah. I mean I guess my'}, {'start': '2502.400', 'end': '2507.839', 'text': 'question is is what'}, {'start': '2504.280', 'end': '2509.680', 'text': 'do what is your take on it? What what'}, {'start': '2507.839', 'end': '2512.000', 'text': "are some of what's some of the advice"}, {'start': '2509.680', 'end': '2514.240', 'text': 'that they can get as an industry from'}, {'start': '2512.000', 'end': '2516.480', 'text': 'you? And I know this is broad and the'}, {'start': '2514.240', 'end': '2518.240', 'text': 'question is probably crap, but what I'}, {'start': '2516.480', 'end': '2520.079', 'text': "mean is it's it's actually a good"}, {'start': '2518.240', 'end': '2522.400', 'text': 'question. What can they do when they'}, {'start': '2520.079', 'end': '2524.319', 'text': "don't get more funding and everybody has"}, {'start': '2522.400', 'end': '2526.319', 'text': "to wear multiple hats and it's basically"}, {'start': '2524.319', 'end': '2528.560', 'text': 'enterprise environment with a nonprofit'}, {'start': '2526.319', 'end': '2530.160', 'text': 'budget? Like what are they supposed to'}, {'start': '2528.560', 'end': '2531.520', 'text': 'do,'}, {'start': '2530.160', 'end': '2534.520', 'text': 'you know?'}, {'start': '2531.520', 'end': '2538.640', 'text': "So I think that there's a few"}, {'start': '2534.520', 'end': '2542.040', 'text': 'things and I think the the first one is'}, {'start': '2538.640', 'end': '2545.920', 'text': 'the first one is is is quite'}, {'start': '2542.040', 'end': '2548.640', 'text': 'honestly step back from the hype and'}, {'start': '2545.920', 'end': '2551.440', 'text': 'spend 10 15 20 minutes educating on the'}, {'start': '2548.640', 'end': '2553.839', 'text': 'basics. Yeah. Um I would agree with'}, {'start': '2551.440', 'end': '2555.359', 'text': 'that. Perfect example AI and ML is a'}, {'start': '2553.839', 'end': '2556.880', 'text': "perfect example. It's like so many"}, {'start': '2555.359', 'end': '2559.040', 'text': 'people are chasing it but not really'}, {'start': '2556.880', 'end': '2560.400', 'text': 'sure why and then when they get it they'}, {'start': '2559.040', 'end': '2561.839', 'text': "don't know what to do with it or they"}, {'start': '2560.400', 'end': '2563.839', 'text': "haven't asked the vendor the right"}, {'start': '2561.839', 'end': '2565.599', 'text': "questions. That's number one. So the"}, {'start': '2563.839', 'end': '2568.079', 'text': "first one is doesn't matter what it is."}, {'start': '2565.599', 'end': '2570.880', 'text': 'I I spend time at night. So I typically'}, {'start': '2568.079', 'end': '2573.200', 'text': 'work till 3 4 in the morning. I will'}, {'start': '2570.880', 'end': '2575.359', 'text': "down tools at 600 7:00. I won't pick"}, {'start': '2573.200', 'end': '2576.800', 'text': 'them up till 10 or 11 and I spend an'}, {'start': '2575.359', 'end': '2579.280', 'text': 'hour or two in that time just'}, {'start': '2576.800', 'end': '2581.119', 'text': "researching and it's all over the place"}, {'start': '2579.280', 'end': '2582.960', 'text': "because that's my way of keeping up on"}, {'start': '2581.119', 'end': '2585.760', 'text': "things and figuring out what's going on."}, {'start': '2582.960', 'end': '2589.200', 'text': 'Second one is take again take that step'}, {'start': '2585.760', 'end': '2591.359', 'text': 'back and go should the power go out what'}, {'start': '2589.200', 'end': '2593.599', 'text': 'do we do should the internet go down'}, {'start': '2591.359', 'end': '2595.839', 'text': 'what do we do one of the things I always'}, {'start': '2593.599', 'end': '2597.680', 'text': "do when I go in and consult is is I'll"}, {'start': '2595.839', 'end': '2599.200', 'text': 'always ask a company how do I kill you'}, {'start': '2597.680', 'end': '2601.200', 'text': "and it's a terrible question but it's"}, {'start': '2599.200', 'end': '2603.839', 'text': 'actually a very relevant one because'}, {'start': '2601.200', 'end': '2605.839', 'text': 'taking rural healthcare killing off that'}, {'start': '2603.839', 'end': '2607.359', 'text': 'rural health care system or even killing'}, {'start': '2605.839', 'end': '2610.000', 'text': 'the patients could be the fact the'}, {'start': '2607.359', 'end': '2611.920', 'text': 'computer the computer records have gone'}, {'start': '2610.000', 'end': '2614.000', 'text': "I don't know the treatment plan so maybe"}, {'start': '2611.920', 'end': '2616.560', 'text': 'you would dust your inband. 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So'}, {'start': '2640.720', 'end': '2646.400', 'text': 'you you look at it that way and maybe'}, {'start': '2642.560', 'end': '2648.240', 'text': "it's a case of you can't get to you"}, {'start': '2646.400', 'end': '2649.839', 'text': "can't get to certain cases or you can't"}, {'start': '2648.240', 'end': '2652.000', 'text': 'do certain things. So at that point in'}, {'start': '2649.839', 'end': '2653.680', 'text': "time it's like hey what's our backup? If"}, {'start': '2652.000', 'end': '2656.400', 'text': 'our internet is down do we still have'}, {'start': '2653.680', 'end': '2658.640', 'text': 'our phones? 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Do the systems fail'}, {'start': '2701.920', 'end': '2706.240', 'text': "over to this? Oh no, they don't because"}, {'start': '2704.480', 'end': '2708.400', 'text': "that one's got two network switches and"}, {'start': '2706.240', 'end': '2709.920', 'text': "that one doesn't have. So you take that"}, {'start': '2708.400', 'end': '2711.599', 'text': "step back and go, okay, now we're"}, {'start': '2709.920', 'end': '2714.160', 'text': 'comfortable that at least from a'}, {'start': '2711.599', 'end': '2716.319', 'text': 'communication standpoint, we'}, {'start': '2714.160', 'end': '2719.200', 'text': "significant. Yeah, Chris, that's"}, {'start': '2716.319', 'end': '2722.640', 'text': "brilliant. I'll tell you because what it"}, {'start': '2719.200', 'end': '2723.839', 'text': 'does is you once again the hacker mind,'}, {'start': '2722.640', 'end': '2725.359', 'text': "you probably aren't even aware that"}, {'start': '2723.839', 'end': '2728.000', 'text': "you're doing it. 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Oh, the new vulnerability scan'}, {'start': '2747.440', 'end': '2751.200', 'text': 'leveraging AI, of course, because'}, {'start': '2749.040', 'end': '2752.880', 'text': "everything has AI and and and they're"}, {'start': '2751.200', 'end': '2755.119', 'text': "going and they're spending their time"}, {'start': '2752.880', 'end': '2758.800', 'text': 'looking at that rather than how about if'}, {'start': '2755.119', 'end': '2761.040', 'text': "we say everything's out. How do we still"}, {'start': '2758.800', 'end': '2762.119', 'text': 'function? Do we have a paper backup? Do'}, {'start': '2761.040', 'end': '2765.119', 'text': 'we have an'}, {'start': '2762.119', 'end': '2767.520', 'text': 'offline digital copy that if something'}, {'start': '2765.119', 'end': '2769.599', 'text': 'happens, we can at least see what'}, {'start': '2767.520', 'end': '2771.520', 'text': 'medications these patients are on or at'}, {'start': '2769.599', 'end': '2775.280', 'text': 'least do something so that we could'}, {'start': '2771.520', 'end': '2778.400', 'text': 'still render some care, right? Yep.'}, {'start': '2775.280', 'end': '2781.200', 'text': "That's really smart, right? Like start"}, {'start': '2778.400', 'end': '2785.119', 'text': 'start from the from the impact. 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It's I"}, {'start': '2805.200', 'end': '2809.680', 'text': 'always I mean, yeah, we should we do it'}, {'start': '2807.119', 'end': '2812.000', 'text': "with homes. I mean, it's it's the whatif"}, {'start': '2809.680', 'end': '2813.760', 'text': "scenario. Perfect. You know, I I've got"}, {'start': '2812.000', 'end': '2815.760', 'text': 'flashlights all over the place here now.'}, {'start': '2813.760', 'end': '2818.319', 'text': 'Some of them are regular batteries. Some'}, {'start': '2815.760', 'end': '2819.920', 'text': 'of them are USB. So, the USB ones I'}, {'start': '2818.319', 'end': '2822.400', 'text': 'actually have a calendar reminder once'}, {'start': '2819.920', 'end': '2825.680', 'text': 'every two months. Check the USB. Check'}, {'start': '2822.400', 'end': '2828.160', 'text': 'USB flashlights or torches. You know,'}, {'start': '2825.680', 'end': '2830.640', 'text': "I've got firewood. I I've got a cord of"}, {'start': '2828.160', 'end': '2833.440', 'text': 'firewood. Half outside, half inside. you'}, {'start': '2830.640', 'end': '2835.359', 'text': 'know you all of the stuff along those'}, {'start': '2833.440', 'end': '2837.920', 'text': "lines you know it's even just the simple"}, {'start': '2835.359', 'end': '2839.680', 'text': 'stuff like you know what happens if you'}, {'start': '2837.920', 'end': '2841.680', 'text': 'know I got primary secondary and'}, {'start': '2839.680', 'end': '2846.200', 'text': 'tertiary communications in and out of'}, {'start': '2841.680', 'end': '2848.480', 'text': "here so it's it it is just sitting there"}, {'start': '2846.200', 'end': '2851.040', 'text': "and doing that scenario it's like okay"}, {'start': '2848.480', 'end': '2852.880', 'text': "if you can't bring more patients in not"}, {'start': '2851.040', 'end': '2855.760', 'text': 'acceptable acceptable but maybe you can'}, {'start': '2852.880', 'end': '2857.920', 'text': "get basics what's the basics and if the"}, {'start': '2855.760', 'end': '2860.640', 'text': 'basics are hey we have an totally'}, {'start': '2857.920', 'end': '2862.800', 'text': 'offline triage unit that we can do the'}, {'start': '2860.640', 'end': '2865.680', 'text': 'simple stuff with then then brilliant.'}, {'start': '2862.800', 'end': '2867.760', 'text': "At least and here's the thing, you might"}, {'start': '2865.680', 'end': '2870.960', 'text': 'not be able to fix them, but can you'}, {'start': '2867.760', 'end': '2873.520', 'text': 'keep them alive, right? 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What do I need on'}, {'start': '2892.000', 'end': '2896.640', 'text': 'hand that is not directly connected to'}, {'start': '2894.480', 'end': '2898.640', 'text': 'the internet that will enable me to be'}, {'start': '2896.640', 'end': '2900.240', 'text': 'able to do more to extend that you to'}, {'start': '2898.640', 'end': '2902.640', 'text': 'extend that window out for a couple of'}, {'start': '2900.240', 'end': '2905.119', 'text': "hours or triage? That's fantastic."}, {'start': '2902.640', 'end': '2906.559', 'text': "That's great. And so here's the thing."}, {'start': '2905.119', 'end': '2907.920', 'text': 'This comes from the military mindset and'}, {'start': '2906.559', 'end': '2910.240', 'text': 'this is what we always used I mean we'}, {'start': '2907.920', 'end': '2911.760', 'text': 'always had field kits, you know, trauma'}, {'start': '2910.240', 'end': '2913.520', 'text': 'kits. We always had trauma kits and the'}, {'start': '2911.760', 'end': '2915.599', 'text': "trauma kit wasn't to actually get us all"}, {'start': '2913.520', 'end': '2917.760', 'text': 'perked up again. The trauma kit was'}, {'start': '2915.599', 'end': '2919.440', 'text': 'until nine line turned up in,'}, {'start': '2917.760', 'end': '2921.040', 'text': 'you know, behind the scenes or until we'}, {'start': '2919.440', 'end': '2922.800', 'text': 'could limp somebody or carry somebody'}, {'start': '2921.040', 'end': '2924.640', 'text': 'back and they could officially be'}, {'start': '2922.800', 'end': '2927.760', 'text': "patched up. That's all you're doing,"}, {'start': '2924.640', 'end': '2930.640', 'text': "right? Yep. It's just initial triage."}, {'start': '2927.760', 'end': '2933.359', 'text': "It's first line of defense just to stop"}, {'start': '2930.640', 'end': '2934.640', 'text': 'the bleeding and stop.'}, {'start': '2933.359', 'end': '2936.000', 'text': "If you haven't practiced it, you're"}, {'start': '2934.640', 'end': '2938.640', 'text': 'going to be running around like headless'}, {'start': '2936.000', 'end': '2941.200', 'text': 'chickens. So, back to the tabletop. And'}, {'start': '2938.640', 'end': '2943.599', 'text': "it doesn't m and the reason I did a"}, {'start': '2941.200', 'end': '2945.359', 'text': "whole bunch of these last week was I'm"}, {'start': '2943.599', 'end': '2947.839', 'text': 'trying to show people these tabletops'}, {'start': '2945.359', 'end': '2950.160', 'text': "can be done in 10 minutes. They don't"}, {'start': '2947.839', 'end': '2952.400', 'text': "have to take long. They it to me they're"}, {'start': '2950.160', 'end': '2954.720', 'text': "all like a it's like a living breathing"}, {'start': '2952.400', 'end': '2957.119', 'text': 'racy document like you know like'}, {'start': '2954.720', 'end': '2958.720', 'text': 'responsible accountable who needs'}, {'start': '2957.119', 'end': '2962.079', 'text': "consulted who needs informed and it's"}, {'start': '2958.720', 'end': '2965.920', 'text': 'like scenario one happens go like who'}, {'start': '2962.079', 'end': '2968.319', 'text': 'does what where and then the next phase'}, {'start': '2965.920', 'end': '2970.079', 'text': 'of it who would like does that shift and'}, {'start': '2968.319', 'end': '2972.079', 'text': 'then you go to the next scenario and you'}, {'start': '2970.079', 'end': '2976.079', 'text': 'can cover a lot of scenarios.'}, {'start': '2972.079', 'end': '2978.720', 'text': "Absolutely. Yeah that's brilliant. Well,"}, {'start': '2976.079', 'end': '2980.720', 'text': 'hey man, I always appreciate speaking'}, {'start': '2978.720', 'end': '2983.599', 'text': "with you. You're just a fountain of"}, {'start': '2980.720', 'end': '2985.920', 'text': 'wisdom. What uh what is coming up?'}, {'start': '2983.599', 'end': '2988.800', 'text': "What's on your horizon? And then you"}, {'start': '2985.920', 'end': '2991.839', 'text': 'have to leave me with like the coolest'}, {'start': '2988.800', 'end': '2994.640', 'text': 'Defcon story you have or one of the'}, {'start': '2991.839', 'end': '2997.520', 'text': 'coolest things like I learned from you'}, {'start': '2994.640', 'end': '2999.440', 'text': 'about like them hacking John Deere'}, {'start': '2997.520', 'end': '3001.920', 'text': 'tractors. Now I can never look at the'}, {'start': '2999.440', 'end': '3004.000', 'text': 'tractors. So much fun. Yes. So much fun.'}, {'start': '3001.920', 'end': '3008.000', 'text': 'Yeah. Like'}, {'start': '3004.000', 'end': '3009.680', 'text': 'you know. So, actually the the Sorry,'}, {'start': '3008.000', 'end': '3010.880', 'text': 'girlfriend. What am I up to? All sorts'}, {'start': '3009.680', 'end': '3013.760', 'text': "of things. No, no, no, no. Let's let's"}, {'start': '3010.880', 'end': '3015.280', 'text': "let's get to the cool hacks. So, tell"}, {'start': '3013.760', 'end': '3018.160', 'text': "tell me about those and then we'll end"}, {'start': '3015.280', 'end': '3021.200', 'text': "with the what's on the horizon for you."}, {'start': '3018.160', 'end': '3023.440', 'text': 'Uh, I think I was out at uh I was out of'}, {'start': '3021.200', 'end': '3024.880', 'text': 'uh out in the Middle East at uh it was'}, {'start': '3023.440', 'end': '3027.040', 'text': 'actually Blackout, not Defcon for a'}, {'start': '3024.880', 'end': '3029.040', 'text': 'change, Blackout Mia, Middle Eastern'}, {'start': '3027.040', 'end': '3030.640', 'text': "Africa. It was fantastic. 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So I got'}, {'start': '3075.599', 'end': '3081.280', 'text': 'into the satellite system that was'}, {'start': '3077.760', 'end': '3084.800', 'text': 'running the uh our far eastern Chinese'}, {'start': '3081.280', 'end': '3087.200', 'text': 'version of it and I noticed that they'}, {'start': '3084.800', 'end': '3088.880', 'text': 'were monitoring a whole bunch of camels'}, {'start': '3087.200', 'end': '3090.400', 'text': 'uh basically on the steps of Mongolia.'}, {'start': '3088.880', 'end': '3091.240', 'text': 'this this and I actually end up tracking'}, {'start': '3090.400', 'end': '3093.680', 'text': 'the guy'}, {'start': '3091.240', 'end': '3095.920', 'text': 'down. The guy go out on his motorbike'}, {'start': '3093.680', 'end': '3097.200', 'text': 'with his little system hooked up to his'}, {'start': '3095.920', 'end': '3098.800', 'text': 'Chinese satellite and figure out where'}, {'start': '3097.200', 'end': '3101.760', 'text': 'all his flipping camels were. 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That is phenomenal.'}, {'start': '3161.440', 'end': '3168.880', 'text': 'When we last met, you you shared with me'}, {'start': '3164.640', 'end': '3171.960', 'text': 'how was it a um was it a bsides I think'}, {'start': '3168.880', 'end': '3175.280', 'text': 'maybe in Michigan that you were at when'}, {'start': '3171.960', 'end': '3177.520', 'text': 'you had hacked the Mars rover and played'}, {'start': '3175.280', 'end': '3180.079', 'text': 'God Save the Queen. Oh my gosh. Yeah,'}, {'start': '3177.520', 'end': '3182.240', 'text': 'that uh Girkcon up in Grand Rapids,'}, {'start': '3180.079', 'end': '3183.920', 'text': "Michigan. That's it. Yeah. Oh my gosh, I"}, {'start': '3182.240', 'end': '3187.119', 'text': "love that one. I've got I mean between"}, {'start': '3183.920', 'end': '3190.000', 'text': 'that one and CISO Peneda Ciso XCE, two'}, {'start': '3187.119', 'end': '3191.280', 'text': 'of the best like conference serieses. 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Like after you're after"}, {'start': '3212.480', 'end': '3216.720', 'text': "you've done it like if there's 60 people"}, {'start': '3214.559', 'end': '3219.280', 'text': 'over 100 people, you\'re like, "Let me'}, {'start': '3216.720', 'end': '3222.640', 'text': 'explain." It was just a demonstration.'}, {'start': '3219.280', 'end': '3225.200', 'text': "It's education purposes only."}, {'start': '3222.640', 'end': '3227.280', 'text': 'I uh I was watching the James Webb'}, {'start': '3225.200', 'end': '3229.040', 'text': 'telescope as they were putting that into'}, {'start': '3227.280', 'end': '3231.280', 'text': 'space and soling it all out. And for a'}, {'start': '3229.040', 'end': '3233.119', 'text': 'while NASA had the cameras focused on'}, {'start': '3231.280', 'end': '3237.040', 'text': "the the people's screens and their"}, {'start': '3233.119', 'end': '3239.359', 'text': 'keyboards. 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But you"}, {'start': '3264.000', 'end': '3269.760', 'text': "know, it's I mean that but but that"}, {'start': '3267.760', 'end': '3272.720', 'text': 'error is no different than somebody'}, {'start': '3269.760', 'end': '3275.280', 'text': 'taking a selfie in front of their'}, {'start': '3272.720', 'end': '3277.920', 'text': "school, right? Or in front of like it's"}, {'start': '3275.280', 'end': '3280.880', 'text': "just people aren't aware of what is"}, {'start': '3277.920', 'end': '3283.200', 'text': "actually being disclosed, right? It's"}, {'start': '3280.880', 'end': '3284.800', 'text': 'cuz we all we all want to go into these'}, {'start': '3283.200', 'end': '3286.800', 'text': 'things with good intent. I mean, I think'}, {'start': '3284.800', 'end': '3288.800', 'text': 'this is where I feel bad for it. We all'}, {'start': '3286.800', 'end': '3290.800', 'text': 'want to go in with good intent. 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It's assume the best but"}, {'start': '3307.839', 'end': '3312.079', 'text': 'plan for the worst kind of mentality.'}, {'start': '3309.760', 'end': '3314.160', 'text': 'And and I wish we would do more of that.'}, {'start': '3312.079', 'end': '3317.480', 'text': "Yeah, absolutely. So, what's on the"}, {'start': '3314.160', 'end': '3320.640', 'text': 'horizon? Are you doing uh some'}, {'start': '3317.480', 'end': '3322.000', 'text': 'presentations, speeches coming up? Yeah,'}, {'start': '3320.640', 'end': '3324.240', 'text': 'got a few coming up. Meant to be going'}, {'start': '3322.000', 'end': '3328.240', 'text': 'up to Canada land again. Uh talking to'}, {'start': '3324.240', 'end': '3331.119', 'text': 'some fantastic folks at uh RCMP,'}, {'start': '3328.240', 'end': '3333.680', 'text': 'Canadian Mounty people. Um got a bunch'}, {'start': '3331.119', 'end': '3335.760', 'text': 'of other talks here. Uh WWT is doing a'}, {'start': '3333.680', 'end': '3338.480', 'text': 'bunch of AI days in a bunch of cities'}, {'start': '3335.760', 'end': '3340.720', 'text': 'like Denver and a few other places,'}, {'start': '3338.480', 'end': '3342.079', 'text': 'Kansas and here. And so doing a bunch of'}, {'start': '3340.720', 'end': '3343.520', 'text': 'those and yeah, just a bunch of talking.'}, {'start': '3342.079', 'end': '3345.599', 'text': 'Got to get over to the UK at some point'}, {'start': '3343.520', 'end': '3347.440', 'text': 'time. Go see mom. Go see the B sites'}, {'start': '3345.599', 'end': '3348.880', 'text': "cruise over there. But yeah, uh I'm"}, {'start': '3347.440', 'end': '3351.799', 'text': 'biking back on the bike now the'}, {'start': '3348.880', 'end': '3354.480', 'text': "weather's calmed and my shoulder is at"}, {'start': '3351.799', 'end': '3355.920', 'text': 'least mostly northeast. Yeah. Yeah.'}, {'start': '3354.480', 'end': '3358.000', 'text': "Well, and the weather's warming up too"}, {'start': '3355.920', 'end': '3359.839', 'text': "in the Midwest. So that's that's great."}, {'start': '3358.000', 'end': '3361.920', 'text': 'Yes.'}, {'start': '3359.839', 'end': '3364.480', 'text': 'Very much. All right, my friend. Thank'}, {'start': '3361.920', 'end': '3366.400', 'text': 'you so much. I appreciate it. Always'}, {'start': '3364.480', 'end': '3368.799', 'text': 'great. Thank you for everything you do'}, {'start': '3366.400', 'end': '3371.599', 'text': 'for the community, but also uh thank you'}, {'start': '3368.799', 'end': '3374.000', 'text': 'so much for taking time to uh to uh'}, {'start': '3371.599', 'end': '3377.119', 'text': 'speak with us. Uh this was fantastic. I'}, {'start': '3374.000', 'end': '3378.640', 'text': 'love it. Thank you for uh for hosting'}, {'start': '3377.119', 'end': '3380.799', 'text': 'this and doing all the hard work on the'}, {'start': '3378.640', 'end': '3383.040', 'text': "back end. Ah, it's fun. All right,"}, {'start': '3380.799', 'end': '3386.040', 'text': "buddy. I'll talk to you. Thank you so"}, {'start': '3383.040', 'end': '3386.040', 'text': 'much.'}, {'start': '3387.200', 'end': '3391.839', 'text': 'Well, that wraps this up. Thank you for'}, {'start': '3389.520', 'end': '3394.559', 'text': 'joining us. We hope you enjoyed our'}, {'start': '3391.839', 'end': '3397.119', 'text': 'episode. The next one is coming right'}, {'start': '3394.559', 'end': '3400.079', 'text': 'up. We appreciate you making this an'}, {'start': '3397.119', 'end': '3403.359', 'text': 'award-winning podcast and downloading on'}, {'start': '3400.079', 'end': '3406.640', 'text': 'Apple and Spotify and subscribing to our'}, {'start': '3403.359', 'end': '3412.119', 'text': 'YouTube channel. 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