The Journal #2637 - Benny’s Big Heart: A Therapy Dog Spreads Kindness - Children’s Book
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Uh Carol, talk a'}, {'start': '48.640', 'end': '52.399', 'text': 'little about Benny because obviously'}, {'start': '50.320', 'end': '54.879', 'text': 'people see Benny out and about all the'}, {'start': '52.399', 'end': '56.719', 'text': "time. He's always around helping people."}, {'start': '54.879', 'end': '58.399', 'text': "He's he's here at the university. He"}, {'start': '56.719', 'end': '60.879', 'text': 'goes all over the place and is just, you'}, {'start': '58.399', 'end': '63.039', 'text': 'know, just this big wonderful furry lug'}, {'start': '60.879', 'end': '65.760', 'text': 'of a guy and all of that. So, uh,'}, {'start': '63.039', 'end': '67.680', 'text': "obviously he's a few years old. Uh, at"}, {'start': '65.760', 'end': '69.040', 'text': 'what point did you start to think, you'}, {'start': '67.680', 'end': '70.479', 'text': 'know, maybe this would be a good thing'}, {'start': '69.040', 'end': '72.560', 'text': 'for him to do? Was there a point you'}, {'start': '70.479', 'end': '74.799', 'text': "said he'd be good at this or is it just"}, {'start': '72.560', 'end': '77.920', 'text': 'sort of did somebody kind of my dream to'}, {'start': '74.799', 'end': '80.159', 'text': 'have a therapy dog? But I just, it just'}, {'start': '77.920', 'end': '83.200', 'text': 'kind of happened. Um, there was another'}, {'start': '80.159', 'end': '86.400', 'text': 'dog in town. His name was Walter way'}, {'start': '83.200', 'end': '88.720', 'text': 'back and he was a therapy dog and big'}, {'start': '86.400', 'end': '90.479', 'text': "Bernie's mountain dog and so I thought"}, {'start': '88.720', 'end': '92.960', 'text': 'my next dog is going to be a therapy'}, {'start': '90.479', 'end': '94.960', 'text': 'dog. Yeah. So when we got Benny I kind'}, {'start': '92.960', 'end': '98.479', 'text': 'of that was my goal to make him a'}, {'start': '94.960', 'end': '100.640', 'text': "therapy dog but um he wasn't always"}, {'start': '98.479', 'end': '102.479', 'text': 'perfect. Well I was going to say so yeah'}, {'start': '100.640', 'end': '104.640', 'text': 'because obviously how did you how do you'}, {'start': '102.479', 'end': '106.159', 'text': 'get him into the mode of being because a'}, {'start': '104.640', 'end': '108.720', 'text': 'lot of animals are a little skittish'}, {'start': '106.159', 'end': '110.320', 'text': 'around strangers especially at first and'}, {'start': '108.720', 'end': '112.640', 'text': 'some of them never really get over that.'}, {'start': '110.320', 'end': '114.880', 'text': 'So, how do you kind of slide him into'}, {'start': '112.640', 'end': '118.000', 'text': "that mode where he's now this wonderful"}, {'start': '114.880', 'end': '120.640', 'text': 'just relaxed kind of guy? Well, he was a'}, {'start': '118.000', 'end': '122.640', 'text': 'typical puppy and had a lot of fears,'}, {'start': '120.640', 'end': '125.119', 'text': 'which a lot of New Finlands have fears.'}, {'start': '122.640', 'end': '127.759', 'text': "Oh, okay. So, um he couldn't even walk"}, {'start': '125.119', 'end': '129.599', 'text': 'through town. The trash man was, you'}, {'start': '127.759', 'end': '131.360', 'text': 'know, he was afraid of everything. So,'}, {'start': '129.599', 'end': '134.720', 'text': 'we had to work through all that with'}, {'start': '131.360', 'end': '138.160', 'text': 'friends. And um a lot of the puppies'}, {'start': '134.720', 'end': '140.480', 'text': 'that we played with that we had met um'}, {'start': '138.160', 'end': '142.720', 'text': 'we just went to the dog parks together'}, {'start': '140.480', 'end': '144.720', 'text': 'and we made sure every day we played'}, {'start': '142.720', 'end': '147.520', 'text': 'together and then we started training'}, {'start': '144.720', 'end': '148.959', 'text': 'together and then we all kind of decided'}, {'start': '147.520', 'end': '152.000', 'text': 'we were going to go to therapy school'}, {'start': '148.959', 'end': '154.080', 'text': 'together. So probably of the five dogs'}, {'start': '152.000', 'end': '156.160', 'text': 'that we played with probably four of us'}, {'start': '154.080', 'end': '159.040', 'text': 'went to therapy school together. Yeah.'}, {'start': '156.160', 'end': '160.879', 'text': 'So that helped. And then every day we'}, {'start': '159.040', 'end': '162.959', 'text': 'always played.'}, {'start': '160.879', 'end': '165.200', 'text': 'So that helped with energy. But yeah.'}, {'start': '162.959', 'end': '167.280', 'text': "Now with with therapy school, so what's"}, {'start': '165.200', 'end': '170.480', 'text': "what's the time frame on that? How long?"}, {'start': '167.280', 'end': '172.319', 'text': 'How often? Probably took us a year of'}, {'start': '170.480', 'end': '174.160', 'text': 'training. Some dogs probably wash out of'}, {'start': '172.319', 'end': '176.640', 'text': 'therapy training, right? This just not'}, {'start': '174.160', 'end': '179.040', 'text': 'for them. No. Okay. Therapy school is or'}, {'start': '176.640', 'end': '182.159', 'text': "therapy class. It's only like seven to"}, {'start': '179.040', 'end': '186.239', 'text': 'eight weeks, I think. So, but you pretty'}, {'start': '182.159', 'end': '188.080', 'text': 'much have to have adult class or K9 good'}, {'start': '186.239', 'end': '191.280', 'text': 'citizen. And you have to prove that your'}, {'start': '188.080', 'end': '193.840', 'text': 'dog can be ready for that. Yes. I mean,'}, {'start': '191.280', 'end': '196.560', 'text': 'you can take it and fail,'}, {'start': '193.840', 'end': '200.720', 'text': 'but um we had a lot of classes together'}, {'start': '196.560', 'end': '202.720', 'text': 'with our friends and um he he did fine,'}, {'start': '200.720', 'end': '205.280', 'text': 'but he outweighed me. So, he was a'}, {'start': '202.720', 'end': '207.680', 'text': 'stinker and not a bad dog, but just'}, {'start': '205.280', 'end': '210.720', 'text': 'because of his weight and outweighing'}, {'start': '207.680', 'end': '212.879', 'text': 'me, it was difficult to train him. Yeah.'}, {'start': '210.720', 'end': '214.959', 'text': 'Because now because obviously even as a'}, {'start': '212.879', 'end': '216.239', 'text': "puppy, they're they're pretty big. I"}, {'start': '214.959', 'end': '218.159', 'text': 'mean, obviously they start out'}, {'start': '216.239', 'end': '219.760', 'text': "relatively small, but they're not"}, {'start': '218.159', 'end': '223.120', 'text': "they're not a two three pounder when"}, {'start': '219.760', 'end': '224.959', 'text': "they when they show up. He's 165 now, so"}, {'start': '223.120', 'end': '228.879', 'text': 'probably when we were in training, he'}, {'start': '224.959', 'end': '231.360', 'text': 'was pretty close to 150 probably. So, he'}, {'start': '228.879', 'end': '233.200', 'text': 'still outweighed me. Yeah. Yeah. And and'}, {'start': '231.360', 'end': '234.799', 'text': 'you know, we were kind of talking a'}, {'start': '233.200', 'end': '236.480', 'text': 'little bit before we started that, you'}, {'start': '234.799', 'end': '238.319', 'text': 'know, obviously we see the finished'}, {'start': '236.480', 'end': '240.319', 'text': "product here and he's all relaxed and"}, {'start': '238.319', 'end': '242.080', 'text': "he's fun and he loves the attention and"}, {'start': '240.319', 'end': '244.319', 'text': 'and goes over to people real calm with'}, {'start': '242.080', 'end': '245.840', 'text': 'them. Um, the first time you took him'}, {'start': '244.319', 'end': '249.120', 'text': 'out though, the first time he was like'}, {'start': '245.840', 'end': '250.799', 'text': 'on on the job, did that go relatively'}, {'start': '249.120', 'end': '253.040', 'text': 'well? I mean, he kind of slid right in.'}, {'start': '250.799', 'end': '254.400', 'text': 'It was fine. Yeah, he he was crazy a'}, {'start': '253.040', 'end': '256.639', 'text': "little bit. He's always a little nervous"}, {'start': '254.400', 'end': '258.959', 'text': "when he I can't say nervous, but he's,"}, {'start': '256.639', 'end': '261.440', 'text': 'you know, wants to know everything about'}, {'start': '258.959', 'end': '262.880', 'text': 'a new place that we go to. Okay. And so'}, {'start': '261.440', 'end': '265.680', 'text': "he's always poking his head into"}, {'start': '262.880', 'end': '268.000', 'text': "somebody's office or something. But"}, {'start': '265.680', 'end': '270.720', 'text': "yeah, he's never afraid of people. He"}, {'start': '268.000', 'end': '273.680', 'text': 'loves people. He He loves the attention.'}, {'start': '270.720', 'end': '276.880', 'text': 'So that helps. Yeah. Yeah. But um now'}, {'start': '273.680', 'end': '279.120', 'text': 'obviously do you have any idea how many'}, {'start': '276.880', 'end': '281.440', 'text': "therapy sessions he's done for people in"}, {'start': '279.120', 'end': '283.919', 'text': 'the course of his career? Um we do keep'}, {'start': '281.440', 'end': '286.240', 'text': 'count because we have to turn in his to'}, {'start': '283.919', 'end': '288.400', 'text': 'the Alliance of Therapy. So that keeps a'}, {'start': '286.240', 'end': '292.080', 'text': "record. We keep a record of it. But he's"}, {'start': '288.400', 'end': '295.600', 'text': 'had like 425 visits now. Oh my gosh. And'}, {'start': '292.080', 'end': '298.240', 'text': 'I was telling her Susan I think because'}, {'start': '295.600', 'end': '300.400', 'text': 'we were certified right before COVID. So'}, {'start': '298.240', 'end': '302.960', 'text': 'we had six months in, then we got locked'}, {'start': '300.400', 'end': '305.040', 'text': 'out for a year and a half. Sure. So we'}, {'start': '302.960', 'end': '309.199', 'text': 'pretty much have just like over four'}, {'start': '305.040', 'end': '311.120', 'text': 'years of being a therapy dog. So yeah.'}, {'start': '309.199', 'end': '312.720', 'text': "Yeah. Now Susan, uh, obviously we're"}, {'start': '311.120', 'end': '315.680', 'text': 'going to talk a lot about about the'}, {'start': '312.720', 'end': '317.360', 'text': 'book. Uh, what gave you the idea? How'}, {'start': '315.680', 'end': '319.680', 'text': 'did this the whole idea of just doing a'}, {'start': '317.360', 'end': '321.600', 'text': 'book about a therapy dog and Benny in'}, {'start': '319.680', 'end': '323.440', 'text': 'particular come about? Was it whose idea'}, {'start': '321.600', 'end': '324.960', 'text': 'was it? Was it your idea? Was it It was'}, {'start': '323.440', 'end': '326.960', 'text': "probably Benny's idea, right? Came said,"}, {'start': '324.960', 'end': '327.840', 'text': '"You know, I think I\'m book material. I'}, {'start': '326.960', 'end': '329.919', 'text': 'think I should get a little more'}, {'start': '327.840', 'end': '331.520', 'text': 'attention. So, so how did how did that'}, {'start': '329.919', 'end': '335.440', 'text': 'sort of evolve? How did that idea come'}, {'start': '331.520', 'end': '338.000', 'text': 'up? Yeah, I think it was both our ideas'}, {'start': '335.440', 'end': '340.240', 'text': 'almost at the same time. I was wrapping'}, {'start': '338.000', 'end': '342.960', 'text': 'up a book about inspired by the cat'}, {'start': '340.240', 'end': '345.280', 'text': 'cafe. Ah, okay. And we just kind of'}, {'start': '342.960', 'end': '347.919', 'text': 'thought, "Oh, wouldn\'t it be neat to'}, {'start': '345.280', 'end': '350.080', 'text': 'have a book about Benny?" And that just'}, {'start': '347.919', 'end': '351.440', 'text': 'stuck with me and I kept thinking about'}, {'start': '350.080', 'end': '353.520', 'text': "it and then I couldn't get it out of my"}, {'start': '351.440', 'end': '356.000', 'text': 'head. Sure. Sure. Now, is this your'}, {'start': '353.520', 'end': '358.320', 'text': 'first book about a dog or a pet or an'}, {'start': '356.000', 'end': '360.479', 'text': 'animal or about a dog? Yes. Okay. All'}, {'start': '358.320', 'end': '362.720', 'text': 'right. Yes. Yeah. Um, now when you'}, {'start': '360.479', 'end': '365.600', 'text': 'approach the the idea, I mean, obviously'}, {'start': '362.720', 'end': '367.199', 'text': 'it sounds like a good idea. Oh, etc.'}, {'start': '365.600', 'end': '368.560', 'text': "What's the first what's the first thing"}, {'start': '367.199', 'end': '370.319', 'text': 'that comes to mind when you say, "Okay,'}, {'start': '368.560', 'end': '372.560', 'text': "I'm going to write a book about Benny"}, {'start': '370.319', 'end': '374.639', 'text': 'the therapy dog. What What was the first'}, {'start': '372.560', 'end': '376.080', 'text': 'thing you wrote down about about him in'}, {'start': '374.639', 'end': '378.720', 'text': 'general?" What was the first line you'}, {'start': '376.080', 'end': '381.600', 'text': "started say, or here's my idea? Well, I"}, {'start': '378.720', 'end': '384.880', 'text': 'kept getting more information from Carol'}, {'start': '381.600', 'end': '387.440', 'text': 'about his day. Okay. And right away I I'}, {'start': '384.880', 'end': '389.600', 'text': 'saw this neat story unfolding about how'}, {'start': '387.440', 'end': '392.000', 'text': 'he visits the different age groups. Oh,'}, {'start': '389.600', 'end': '394.240', 'text': 'okay. And I thought that would be a'}, {'start': '392.000', 'end': '396.800', 'text': 'really powerful story and something'}, {'start': '394.240', 'end': '398.800', 'text': 'really great to show kids. Yeah. that he'}, {'start': '396.800', 'end': '401.919', 'text': 'visits different age groups and his'}, {'start': '398.800', 'end': '405.840', 'text': "presence is so calming and and he's so"}, {'start': '401.919', 'end': '407.919', 'text': 'kind with his time and his presence and'}, {'start': '405.840', 'end': '410.880', 'text': 'um but from there it just it just kind'}, {'start': '407.919', 'end': '412.319', 'text': 'of spirals. Yeah. Now, how how many'}, {'start': '410.880', 'end': '414.960', 'text': 'books have you written before this? Is'}, {'start': '412.319', 'end': '416.479', 'text': 'this like one a long string or you'}, {'start': '414.960', 'end': '419.440', 'text': "you've done a few before this? I've done"}, {'start': '416.479', 'end': '421.599', 'text': 'a few. This is number nine, I think.'}, {'start': '419.440', 'end': '423.360', 'text': 'Most of mine are about the ukulele.'}, {'start': '421.599', 'end': '425.919', 'text': "That's how I started with picture books."}, {'start': '423.360', 'end': '428.000', 'text': "Okay. All right. So, it's pretty"}, {'start': '425.919', 'end': '430.240', 'text': 'similar, you know, dog ukulele. I mean,'}, {'start': '428.000', 'end': '431.599', 'text': 'yeah, you know, Benny says, "Yeah, he I'}, {'start': '430.240', 'end': '434.479', 'text': 'would like to play the ukulele." I think'}, {'start': '431.599', 'end': '435.840', 'text': 'he said a moment ago. Um, yeah. And I I'}, {'start': '434.479', 'end': '438.080', 'text': 'guess when you think about this, as you'}, {'start': '435.840', 'end': '439.840', 'text': 'as you started to compile things, uh,'}, {'start': '438.080', 'end': '442.560', 'text': 'one of the thing that we we always find'}, {'start': '439.840', 'end': '445.520', 'text': 'amazing is people that can take an idea'}, {'start': '442.560', 'end': '447.360', 'text': 'like this, Benny the dog, and create a'}, {'start': '445.520', 'end': '449.440', 'text': 'whole story around it. Now, obviously,'}, {'start': '447.360', 'end': '452.080', 'text': "he's supplying some of the material, but"}, {'start': '449.440', 'end': '454.639', 'text': 'still to make that entertaining and'}, {'start': '452.080', 'end': '456.319', 'text': 'enjoyable and intriguing to people'}, {'start': '454.639', 'end': '457.840', 'text': 'because you can lay out his itinerary'}, {'start': '456.319', 'end': '459.440', 'text': 'every day and say, "Oh, well, here\'s his'}, {'start': '457.840', 'end': '461.120', 'text': 'schedule of events." But it\'s it\'s'}, {'start': '459.440', 'end': '463.199', 'text': "probably more than that. It's it's how"}, {'start': '461.120', 'end': '465.440', 'text': 'he interacts and and sort of the the'}, {'start': '463.199', 'end': '467.680', 'text': 'sort of personal part of it versus, oh,'}, {'start': '465.440', 'end': '469.919', 'text': 'this is what he does. Yes. And I think'}, {'start': '467.680', 'end': '471.919', 'text': "that's what's so fun about crafting a"}, {'start': '469.919', 'end': '475.680', 'text': 'story because you you just have this'}, {'start': '471.919', 'end': '478.160', 'text': 'blank canvas and I just I knew I wanted'}, {'start': '475.680', 'end': '481.280', 'text': 'it to be a fun read aloud and for kids'}, {'start': '478.160', 'end': '483.520', 'text': 'to be really engaged with it. Yeah. So'}, {'start': '481.280', 'end': '486.720', 'text': 'and and what age group is this aimed at?'}, {'start': '483.520', 'end': '488.479', 'text': 'Around four to eight and up, you know,'}, {'start': '486.720', 'end': '489.680', 'text': 'all everybody can read and enjoy it.'}, {'start': '488.479', 'end': '491.120', 'text': 'Yeah. Because we, you know, we talk'}, {'start': '489.680', 'end': '492.560', 'text': 'about it being I mentioned as a'}, {'start': '491.120', 'end': '494.479', 'text': "children's book, but we also talk about"}, {'start': '492.560', 'end': '496.800', 'text': 'the fact that, you know, Benny goes out'}, {'start': '494.479', 'end': '498.479', 'text': 'and does with people of all ages, not'}, {'start': '496.800', 'end': '500.240', 'text': 'just children, not just college kids,'}, {'start': '498.479', 'end': '502.080', 'text': "whatever. Because he's big on campus."}, {'start': '500.240', 'end': '503.840', 'text': "He's he's like a mainstay on campus here"}, {'start': '502.080', 'end': '505.840', 'text': "at PGS. We can't even go for a walk"}, {'start': '503.840', 'end': '508.639', 'text': 'without people yelling out the window at'}, {'start': '505.840', 'end': '510.479', 'text': "him. Hey, there he is. Yeah. Yeah. He's"}, {'start': '508.639', 'end': '511.759', 'text': "he's a celebrity. Uh when we come back,"}, {'start': '510.479', 'end': '513.760', 'text': 'we can talk I want to talk a little bit'}, {'start': '511.759', 'end': '515.440', 'text': 'more about about you constructing the'}, {'start': '513.760', 'end': '517.680', 'text': 'story and how it evolved over time and'}, {'start': '515.440', 'end': '519.360', 'text': 'basically how long it took to take it'}, {'start': '517.680', 'end': '521.760', 'text': 'from that first thought or the first'}, {'start': '519.360', 'end': '523.440', 'text': 'discussion you guys had to actually then'}, {'start': '521.760', 'end': '525.200', 'text': 'producing the book that people can read'}, {'start': '523.440', 'end': '527.200', 'text': 'and read aloud to to their kids and'}, {'start': '525.200', 'end': '529.279', 'text': 'everything. Uh back in just a moment'}, {'start': '527.200', 'end': '531.600', 'text': 'with Susan Montgomery, uh Benny the'}, {'start': '529.279', 'end': '534.640', 'text': "therapy dog and Carol trees, Benny's"}, {'start': '531.600', 'end': '535.839', 'text': 'owner here in general in just a moment.'}, {'start': '534.640', 'end': '537.040', 'text': 'Thanks for staying with us on the'}, {'start': '535.839', 'end': '538.480', 'text': 'journal. Our guests are Susan'}, {'start': '537.040', 'end': '539.600', 'text': "Montgomery, the author of Benny's Big"}, {'start': '538.480', 'end': '541.360', 'text': "Heart, the book we're going to talk"}, {'start': '539.600', 'end': '543.519', 'text': 'about in a little more detail here in a'}, {'start': '541.360', 'end': '545.839', 'text': 'moment. Also, uh, Benny, the therapy dog'}, {'start': '543.519', 'end': '548.320', 'text': "himself, and Carol Thrice, who's Benny's"}, {'start': '545.839', 'end': '550.240', 'text': 'owner. Uh, Susan, we talked a little bit'}, {'start': '548.320', 'end': '552.240', 'text': 'about the idea for the book and how it'}, {'start': '550.240', 'end': '554.320', 'text': 'came about. But when that idea first'}, {'start': '552.240', 'end': '556.880', 'text': 'came out, how long does it take for you'}, {'start': '554.320', 'end': '558.240', 'text': 'to say, "Okay, here\'s kind of an idea.'}, {'start': '556.880', 'end': '559.360', 'text': 'Where are we going to go with this?" and'}, {'start': '558.240', 'end': '561.680', 'text': 'then kind of take us through the'}, {'start': '559.360', 'end': '564.080', 'text': 'timeline of from that first initial'}, {'start': '561.680', 'end': '566.000', 'text': "conversation you guys had to now we've"}, {'start': '564.080', 'end': '568.640', 'text': 'got a finished product that people can'}, {'start': '566.000', 'end': '570.320', 'text': 'read and enjoy and and uh and use to you'}, {'start': '568.640', 'end': '572.560', 'text': 'know provide entertainment for people of'}, {'start': '570.320', 'end': '576.399', 'text': 'all ages. Yeah, I think from start to'}, {'start': '572.560', 'end': '578.720', 'text': 'finish it around four months maybe which'}, {'start': '576.399', 'end': '580.880', 'text': "is pretty good but that's working on it"}, {'start': '578.720', 'end': '584.080', 'text': 'constantly right. Uh, and there were so'}, {'start': '580.880', 'end': '587.440', 'text': "many drafts I went through and it's"}, {'start': '584.080', 'end': '589.839', 'text': 'amazing how it starts as just, you know,'}, {'start': '587.440', 'end': '593.279', 'text': 'one one idea and it it just goes through'}, {'start': '589.839', 'end': '594.959', 'text': 'multiple drafts. And I I always like to'}, {'start': '593.279', 'end': '596.800', 'text': 'the artist in me is working on the'}, {'start': '594.959', 'end': '599.680', 'text': 'illustrations at the same time, too.'}, {'start': '596.800', 'end': '601.839', 'text': "Sure. 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Uh in the book and I guess'}, {'start': '622.560', 'end': '626.959', 'text': "that's what I see people say. Yeah."}, {'start': '625.200', 'end': '628.480', 'text': "That's what they do. Exactly. They see"}, {'start': '626.959', 'end': '630.399', 'text': 'him. Yeah. Wherever you people people'}, {'start': '628.480', 'end': '631.600', 'text': "recognize him. He's a celebrity. Now,"}, {'start': '630.399', 'end': '633.279', 'text': "well, it's interesting because you do"}, {'start': '631.600', 'end': '635.040', 'text': 'your own illustrations, which a lot of'}, {'start': '633.279', 'end': '636.800', 'text': "times you'll have people who do their"}, {'start': '635.040', 'end': '639.040', 'text': "own write do the writing, but they'll"}, {'start': '636.800', 'end': '641.839', 'text': 'have an illustrator. 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Well, he immediately came'}, {'start': '948.560', 'end': '950.800', 'text': 'over this morning when he came and he'}, {'start': '949.680', 'end': '952.160', 'text': 'immediately went over and sampled the'}, {'start': '950.800', 'end': '954.079', 'text': 'coffee that was available, which is'}, {'start': '952.160', 'end': '955.680', 'text': 'okay. making himself at home, which is'}, {'start': '954.079', 'end': '957.600', 'text': "okay. That's a good thing because Yeah,"}, {'start': '955.680', 'end': '959.680', 'text': "that's what I do. That's what I do."}, {'start': '957.600', 'end': '961.920', 'text': 'Yeah. Um, we come back, we can talk,'}, {'start': '959.680', 'end': '963.040', 'text': 'obviously, we can talk in detail to some'}, {'start': '961.920', 'end': '964.880', 'text': "degree, but you don't want to give it"}, {'start': '963.040', 'end': '966.720', 'text': "all away. But, uh, we'll talk there's"}, {'start': '964.880', 'end': '968.079', 'text': "there's a trail that kind of winds its"}, {'start': '966.720', 'end': '969.839', 'text': 'way through this book, and we can talk a'}, {'start': '968.079', 'end': '971.440', 'text': 'little about that as well. Uh, back in'}, {'start': '969.839', 'end': '973.279', 'text': 'just a moment with Susan Montgomery, the'}, {'start': '971.440', 'end': '974.959', 'text': "author of Benny's Big Heart, and Carol"}, {'start': '973.279', 'end': '976.560', 'text': 'Trice, the owner of Benny, and uh,'}, {'start': '974.959', 'end': '978.279', 'text': 'Benny, the therapy dog here on the'}, {'start': '976.560', 'end': '980.399', 'text': 'Journal. Back in just a'}, {'start': '978.279', 'end': '982.399', 'text': "moment. You're with us on the Journal."}, {'start': '980.399', 'end': '984.639', 'text': 'Our focus today is talking about the'}, {'start': '982.399', 'end': '986.160', 'text': "book Benny's Big Heart. We have Benny"}, {'start': '984.639', 'end': '988.160', 'text': 'the Therapy Dog, the author Susan'}, {'start': '986.160', 'end': '990.079', 'text': "Montgomery, and Carol Trice, Benny's"}, {'start': '988.160', 'end': '992.160', 'text': 'owner. Uh Susan, one of the things that'}, {'start': '990.079', 'end': '994.880', 'text': 'winds through the book is sort of this'}, {'start': '992.160', 'end': '996.560', 'text': 'adventure trail. We kind of follow Benny'}, {'start': '994.880', 'end': '998.639', 'text': 'through a day kind of or through a'}, {'start': '996.560', 'end': '1001.120', 'text': 'basically one of his paths as he goes'}, {'start': '998.639', 'end': '1002.800', 'text': 'about being Mr. Therapy Dog. So, talk'}, {'start': '1001.120', 'end': '1006.000', 'text': 'about about that. Kind of go through'}, {'start': '1002.800', 'end': '1008.560', 'text': 'that with us a little bit. Sure. I I'}, {'start': '1006.000', 'end': '1013.040', 'text': 'wanted to show him just traveling'}, {'start': '1008.560', 'end': '1015.600', 'text': 'through our city. And at first I did not'}, {'start': '1013.040', 'end': '1018.639', 'text': 'I had kind of generic, you know, generic'}, {'start': '1015.600', 'end': '1023.920', 'text': 'library and and then it it became clear'}, {'start': '1018.639', 'end': '1027.160', 'text': 'that I wanted to make it very real. So I'}, {'start': '1023.920', 'end': '1030.319', 'text': 'used our real library, okay, our real'}, {'start': '1027.160', 'end': '1032.799', 'text': 'courthouse and and worked on the'}, {'start': '1030.319', 'end': '1036.640', 'text': 'illustrations that way. 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He's always whatever and and just an"}, {'start': '1067.919', 'end': '1072.160', 'text': 'all-around good guy, but obviously he'}, {'start': '1070.480', 'end': '1074.320', 'text': "has his moments probably where he's"}, {'start': '1072.160', 'end': '1076.240', 'text': 'maybe not exactly following direction'}, {'start': '1074.320', 'end': '1077.679', 'text': 'real well or because because animals'}, {'start': '1076.240', 'end': '1080.400', 'text': 'have their own way of going about things'}, {'start': '1077.679', 'end': '1082.480', 'text': "is so what's Benny's what are the what's"}, {'start': '1080.400', 'end': '1084.720', 'text': "the darker side of Benny? I know I'm"}, {'start': '1082.480', 'end': '1087.200', 'text': "sure it's nothing nothing terrible, but"}, {'start': '1084.720', 'end': '1089.520', 'text': 'he is really stubborn. So, ah, okay.'}, {'start': '1087.200', 'end': '1091.679', 'text': 'Yeah. And his size.'}, {'start': '1089.520', 'end': '1093.039', 'text': 'I know. 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Can't wait to get in the car"}, {'start': '1111.440', 'end': '1115.200', 'text': "and get ready to go. He's ready to go."}, {'start': '1113.120', 'end': '1117.200', 'text': 'Yeah. Yeah. He loves to work. Well, I'}, {'start': '1115.200', 'end': '1119.360', 'text': "know sometimes I know you I've seen him"}, {'start': '1117.200', 'end': '1120.799', 'text': 'on a boat. you guys have a boat. And'}, {'start': '1119.360', 'end': '1122.640', 'text': "I've always joked about the fact that"}, {'start': '1120.799', 'end': '1124.559', 'text': "one day he'll get on the boat and p"}, {'start': '1122.640', 'end': '1126.640', 'text': 'basically take it out on the lake by'}, {'start': '1124.559', 'end': '1128.720', 'text': 'himself. Like, okay, you guys are late.'}, {'start': '1126.640', 'end': '1129.840', 'text': "I'm leaving. See you later. And And you"}, {'start': '1128.720', 'end': '1131.600', 'text': "would do that, wouldn't you? You"}, {'start': '1129.840', 'end': '1133.039', 'text': 'probably would. But yeah, he looks right'}, {'start': '1131.600', 'end': '1134.960', 'text': 'at home sitting on the boat like, "Okay,'}, {'start': '1133.039', 'end': '1137.440', 'text': "I'm ready. Where are you guys on the"}, {'start': '1134.960', 'end': '1140.320', 'text': 'boat?" Yes. Yeah. And I\'m not allowed to'}, {'start': '1137.440', 'end': '1142.799', 'text': 'sit there and he waits for the boat'}, {'start': '1140.320', 'end': '1145.280', 'text': "rides whether we're going or not. He's"}, {'start': '1142.799', 'end': '1147.200', 'text': 'waiting. Yeah. But yeah, he loves boat'}, {'start': '1145.280', 'end': '1148.880', 'text': 'rides. Yeah. And and as you said, he you'}, {'start': '1147.200', 'end': '1150.400', 'text': "know, he's he decides if he's going to"}, {'start': '1148.880', 'end': '1152.720', 'text': 'do something sometimes or not. 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They kind of give you the Yeah.'}, {'start': '1196.000', 'end': '1199.600', 'text': 'Because some people just in general'}, {'start': '1197.200', 'end': '1202.160', 'text': "aren't fond of dogs. anything about my"}, {'start': '1199.600', 'end': '1204.480', 'text': 'own mother was not fond of I mean she'}, {'start': '1202.160', 'end': '1207.160', 'text': "liked him but she didn't want him close"}, {'start': '1204.480', 'end': '1209.760', 'text': 'to her. Yeah. So'}, {'start': '1207.160', 'end': '1211.520', 'text': "obviously he's he's got a schedule of"}, {'start': '1209.760', 'end': '1213.360', 'text': 'events. I mean what are some of the'}, {'start': '1211.520', 'end': '1215.440', 'text': "general things he's got lined up in the"}, {'start': '1213.360', 'end': '1217.840', 'text': 'next month or so? 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We've figured we've started."}, {'start': '1273.840', 'end': '1277.200', 'text': "Here we are. or we've got all the parts"}, {'start': '1275.280', 'end': '1279.280', 'text': 'in there. How does that come about?'}, {'start': '1277.200', 'end': '1281.200', 'text': "Because obviously you're writing a book"}, {'start': '1279.280', 'end': '1282.880', 'text': 'and ideas keep coming in, keep coming'}, {'start': '1281.200', 'end': '1284.799', 'text': 'in, as you said, you kind of move around'}, {'start': '1282.880', 'end': '1287.039', 'text': 'a little bit. At what point do you go,'}, {'start': '1284.799', 'end': '1289.360', 'text': 'okay, this is the final product? Yeah,'}, {'start': '1287.039', 'end': '1292.640', 'text': 'it it comes really close to the to the'}, {'start': '1289.360', 'end': '1295.440', 'text': 'end before publishing and and once I do'}, {'start': '1292.640', 'end': '1298.400', 'text': 'the proof copy, uh, you know, and can'}, {'start': '1295.440', 'end': '1300.799', 'text': 'see everything in print and read it out'}, {'start': '1298.400', 'end': '1303.280', 'text': 'loud a few times and I share the story,'}, {'start': '1300.799', 'end': '1305.520', 'text': 'too. 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It's like"}, {'start': '1325.039', 'end': '1328.080', 'text': "another read through and then you're"}, {'start': '1326.159', 'end': '1329.520', 'text': 'like, "Yes, this is it." Well, and you'}, {'start': '1328.080', 'end': '1331.840', 'text': 'kind of anticipated my next question'}, {'start': '1329.520', 'end': '1333.600', 'text': 'about other people looking at it because'}, {'start': '1331.840', 'end': '1335.120', 'text': "obviously when you're working on a"}, {'start': '1333.600', 'end': '1337.200', 'text': 'project, you can get really close to it'}, {'start': '1335.120', 'end': '1338.480', 'text': 'and maybe, as you said, not see, oh,'}, {'start': '1337.200', 'end': '1340.720', 'text': "that looks like that's going to work"}, {'start': '1338.480', 'end': '1342.080', 'text': 'perfectly and somebody goes, "What was'}, {'start': '1340.720', 'end': '1343.280', 'text': "that about? I don't get what are you"}, {'start': '1342.080', 'end': '1345.120', 'text': 'going for there?" And they\'re like, "Oh,'}, {'start': '1343.280', 'end': '1346.799', 'text': 'it seems obvious." So, you do have other'}, {'start': '1345.120', 'end': '1348.480', 'text': 'people that kind of weigh in a little'}, {'start': '1346.799', 'end': '1350.159', 'text': 'bit and say, "Yeah, that worked." Or,'}, {'start': '1348.480', 'end': '1351.840', 'text': '"We\'re not sure what you meant by that,'}, {'start': '1350.159', 'end': '1353.840', 'text': 'or what\'s what\'s that in there for?"'}, {'start': '1351.840', 'end': '1355.760', 'text': 'That sort of thing. 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I just love creating'}, {'start': '1394.559', 'end': '1399.120', 'text': 'something out of nothing and I could do'}, {'start': '1396.799', 'end': '1401.840', 'text': 'whatever theme and topic I wanted. Like'}, {'start': '1399.120', 'end': '1405.440', 'text': 'this was great. So I kind of wrote books'}, {'start': '1401.840', 'end': '1407.200', 'text': 'on different genres and themes. And then'}, {'start': '1405.440', 'end': '1409.280', 'text': 'a couple years ago is when I started the'}, {'start': '1407.200', 'end': '1412.159', 'text': 'picture books because I realized there'}, {'start': '1409.280', 'end': '1413.840', 'text': "weren't many books about the ukulele."}, {'start': '1412.159', 'end': '1415.520', 'text': 'And I thought, well, this is such a fun'}, {'start': '1413.840', 'end': '1417.360', 'text': 'instrument that a lot of kids are'}, {'start': '1415.520', 'end': '1419.919', 'text': "learning about. So, let's write some"}, {'start': '1417.360', 'end': '1421.520', 'text': 'stories. Yeah. Yeah. Well, adults, too,'}, {'start': '1419.919', 'end': '1422.880', 'text': 'for that matter who love the ukulele.'}, {'start': '1421.520', 'end': '1424.720', 'text': "Yeah. It's sort of like a universal"}, {'start': '1422.880', 'end': '1426.360', 'text': 'instrument in a way. So, yeah. Yeah.'}, {'start': '1424.720', 'end': '1428.960', 'text': 'Well, really, you know, do you have'}, {'start': '1426.360', 'end': '1430.559', 'text': 'something on the burner right now? Your'}, {'start': '1428.960', 'end': '1432.159', 'text': "a project that's in the works or"}, {'start': '1430.559', 'end': '1434.799', 'text': 'projects that are in the works? I have a'}, {'start': '1432.159', 'end': '1436.480', 'text': 'a couple. 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Is it available on It's on Amazon."}, {'start': '1454.799', 'end': '1458.960', 'text': 'On Amazon. Okay. Great. On Amazon. Wow.'}, {'start': '1456.799', 'end': '1461.039', 'text': 'And uh soon it it will be available'}, {'start': '1458.960', 'end': '1464.159', 'text': "locally. I'll have copies at the library"}, {'start': '1461.039', 'end': '1466.960', 'text': "event, too. Okay. Uh, so that's on um"}, {'start': '1464.159', 'end': '1468.559', 'text': 'Monday, May 12th. Oh, okay. Coming up.'}, {'start': '1466.960', 'end': '1470.320', 'text': 'So people can keep an eye out for that.'}, {'start': '1468.559', 'end': '1472.240', 'text': "And uh Yeah. And and you'll be there"}, {'start': '1470.320', 'end': '1474.400', 'text': 'making an appearance and and doing all'}, {'start': '1472.240', 'end': '1476.880', 'text': 'that stuff. And Yeah. Yeah. Will Benny'}, {'start': '1474.400', 'end': '1478.559', 'text': 'be there, too? Yes. Benny will be there.'}, {'start': '1476.880', 'end': '1480.559', 'text': "She'll be signing. He'll be signing"}, {'start': '1478.559', 'end': '1482.480', 'text': 'copies. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good for him.'}, {'start': '1480.559', 'end': '1484.400', 'text': 'Good. I think the background, too, like'}, {'start': '1482.480', 'end': '1487.760', 'text': "we're both teachers. I mean, she was a"}, {'start': '1484.400', 'end': '1489.279', 'text': 'teacher. So, I I think that helps kind'}, {'start': '1487.760', 'end': '1491.520', 'text': "of. So, you're Yeah. Well, yeah. So,"}, {'start': '1489.279', 'end': '1492.640', 'text': "you're used to weaving stories and re"}, {'start': '1491.520', 'end': '1494.720', 'text': 'being able to figure out how to reach'}, {'start': '1492.640', 'end': '1496.880', 'text': 'people what would work and what'}, {'start': '1494.720', 'end': '1498.720', 'text': "wouldn't. Nice. Nice. Well, that's Yeah,"}, {'start': '1496.880', 'end': '1500.640', 'text': "that's that's a good aside as well."}, {'start': '1498.720', 'end': '1502.559', 'text': 'Well, Benny, thank you so much.'}, {'start': '1500.640', 'end': '1504.080', 'text': 'Appreciate your comments today and and'}, {'start': '1502.559', 'end': '1506.000', 'text': 'you know, keep them. Thank you for'}, {'start': '1504.080', 'end': '1507.440', 'text': 'having me. Yes. Thank you so much. Thank'}, {'start': '1506.000', 'end': '1508.559', 'text': 'you. Yeah. and thank you so much for'}, {'start': '1507.440', 'end': '1510.960', 'text': "putting this together because it's such"}, {'start': '1508.559', 'end': '1512.960', 'text': 'a great idea to to you know follow him'}, {'start': '1510.960', 'end': '1515.520', 'text': 'and you kind of like say put him in this'}, {'start': '1512.960', 'end': '1518.000', 'text': 'in this place now where people can read'}, {'start': '1515.520', 'end': '1520.799', 'text': 'about him as well as experience his his'}, {'start': '1518.000', 'end': '1522.880', 'text': 'presence all the time. So very good good'}, {'start': '1520.799', 'end': '1524.559', 'text': 'uh one real quick aside here. This is a'}, {'start': '1522.880', 'end': '1527.360', 'text': 'kind of a bittersweet moment for us on'}, {'start': '1524.559', 'end': '1529.600', 'text': "the journal. It's the last se uh program"}, {'start': '1527.360', 'end': '1531.039', 'text': 'of the semester which means a lot of the'}, {'start': '1529.600', 'end': '1533.600', 'text': 'people who have worked on the program a'}, {'start': '1531.039', 'end': '1535.120', 'text': 'lot of our students will be done as of'}, {'start': '1533.600', 'end': '1536.400', 'text': 'today. They might have some other'}, {'start': '1535.120', 'end': '1538.240', 'text': "projects here at the station, but we're"}, {'start': '1536.400', 'end': '1540.080', 'text': 'going to lose a lot of good people. Uh'}, {'start': '1538.240', 'end': '1541.679', 'text': "if you watch the credits, you'll see the"}, {'start': '1540.080', 'end': '1543.679', 'text': 'names of the students who have helped us'}, {'start': '1541.679', 'end': '1546.080', 'text': 'all through the semester. So, keep in'}, {'start': '1543.679', 'end': '1547.600', 'text': 'mind, uh they help all of this work just'}, {'start': '1546.080', 'end': '1549.679', 'text': 'like you do as viewers. So, we'}, {'start': '1547.600', 'end': '1552.080', 'text': 'appreciate that very much. Uh that being'}, {'start': '1549.679', 'end': '1553.679', 'text': 'said, you can check us out at wbgu.org.'}, {'start': '1552.080', 'end': '1554.760', 'text': 'And of course, you can watch us each'}, {'start': '1553.679', 'end': '1557.679', 'text': 'week on'}, {'start': '1554.760', 'end': '1559.679', 'text': "WBGPs at 8:00 on Thursdays. We'll see"}, {'start': '1557.679', 'end': '1561.610', 'text': 'you again next time. Good night and good'}, {'start': '1559.679', 'end': '1571.319', 'text': 'luck.'}, {'start': '1561.610', 'end': '1571.319', 'text': '[Music]'}, {'start': '1574.000', 'end': '1580.099', 'text': '[Music]'}]