‘Spooked’: Trump officials hoarding supplies over shortage fears, Rolling Stone reports
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We'd spend 20 minutes on it"}, {'start': '42.239', 'end': '46.640', 'text': 'and everyone left smarter and it became'}, {'start': '44.079', 'end': '48.320', 'text': "a and look at you now. Well, it's true."}, {'start': '46.640', 'end': '49.840', 'text': 'You are responsible for the rest of your'}, {'start': '48.320', 'end': '51.840', 'text': 'career. I am happy for that. I want to'}, {'start': '49.840', 'end': '53.280', 'text': 'ask you uh Alise, I want to start on the'}, {'start': '51.840', 'end': '54.559', 'text': 'walls news today because you actually'}, {'start': '53.280', 'end': '56.559', 'text': 'worked in the National Security Council'}, {'start': '54.559', 'end': '57.920', 'text': 'which is this strange entity in the'}, {'start': '56.559', 'end': '59.199', 'text': 'government that people outside know'}, {'start': '57.920', 'end': '60.480', 'text': 'nothing about. But then as soon as you'}, {'start': '59.199', 'end': '62.879', 'text': 'get into the White House and the'}, {'start': '60.480', 'end': '64.320', 'text': 'government, it turns out to be basically'}, {'start': '62.879', 'end': '66.080', 'text': 'the most important part of the'}, {'start': '64.320', 'end': '68.320', 'text': 'government. Well, think about how'}, {'start': '66.080', 'end': '70.799', 'text': 'unwieldly everything is now and how many'}, {'start': '68.320', 'end': '72.799', 'text': 'different intelligence apparatus we have'}, {'start': '70.799', 'end': '74.799', 'text': 'and different government seeking'}, {'start': '72.799', 'end': '77.439', 'text': 'missions here and there and that is the'}, {'start': '74.799', 'end': '79.200', 'text': 'one organ that coordinates it all within'}, {'start': '77.439', 'end': '81.680', 'text': 'government. And so you have to be so'}, {'start': '79.200', 'end': '83.439', 'text': 'detail- oriented. It is a time drain.'}, {'start': '81.680', 'end': '85.360', 'text': "You are overseeing and you're making"}, {'start': '83.439', 'end': '87.520', 'text': "everyone get along too and you're"}, {'start': '85.360', 'end': '90.159', 'text': 'solving all these inter agency problems.'}, {'start': '87.520', 'end': '92.479', 'text': 'So now Marco Rubio is expected to do'}, {'start': '90.159', 'end': '94.799', 'text': 'that and to run the state department'}, {'start': '92.479', 'end': '96.880', 'text': 'which kind of has a lot going on around'}, {'start': '94.799', 'end': '98.720', 'text': 'the world too. Yeah. Ben Rhodess who we'}, {'start': '96.880', 'end': '100.640', 'text': 'talked to earlier who had been a deputy'}, {'start': '98.720', 'end': '102.479', 'text': 'at the National Security Council was'}, {'start': '100.640', 'end': '104.320', 'text': "like this is ridiculous. He can't do it."}, {'start': '102.479', 'end': '105.759', 'text': 'He also is the acting administrator of'}, {'start': '104.320', 'end': '107.600', 'text': "aid which they're trying to cut and also"}, {'start': '105.759', 'end': '109.200', 'text': 'national archives just to throw that in.'}, {'start': '107.600', 'end': '112.000', 'text': 'As someone who did work in there, do you'}, {'start': '109.200', 'end': '114.000', 'text': "agree with Ben that this it's it's"}, {'start': '112.000', 'end': '115.360', 'text': 'ludicrous to have him have both these'}, {'start': '114.000', 'end': '117.600', 'text': 'jobs, national security adviser and'}, {'start': '115.360', 'end': '120.320', 'text': 'secretary? It makes absolutely no sense'}, {'start': '117.600', 'end': '122.320', 'text': 'when there are plenty of Americans,'}, {'start': '120.320', 'end': '124.799', 'text': 'plenty of national security experts who'}, {'start': '122.320', 'end': '127.119', 'text': 'could fill such a role. It shows though,'}, {'start': '124.799', 'end': '130.000', 'text': 'I think, how Trump is relying on such a'}, {'start': '127.119', 'end': '131.920', 'text': 'small brain trust for foreign policy. Is'}, {'start': '130.000', 'end': '134.879', 'text': 'it really going to be Marco Rubio at the'}, {'start': '131.920', 'end': '136.800', 'text': "end of the day who he's relying on? It"}, {'start': '134.879', 'end': '139.040', 'text': "remains to be seen. Marco Rubio's"}, {'start': '136.800', 'end': '141.200', 'text': 'foreign policy views were diametrically'}, {'start': '139.040', 'end': '143.360', 'text': 'opposed to Donald Trump. Like completely'}, {'start': '141.200', 'end': '145.239', 'text': 'the opposite in every way. Exactly. And'}, {'start': '143.360', 'end': '147.840', 'text': 'how do you flip from being a'}, {'start': '145.239', 'end': '150.560', 'text': 'pro-democracy human rights supporter,'}, {'start': '147.840', 'end': '154.239', 'text': 'very gung-ho for foreign intervention to'}, {'start': '150.560', 'end': '156.480', 'text': 'now just quietly going along with Trump?'}, {'start': '154.239', 'end': '157.920', 'text': 'Um, I want to ask you, Katherine, about'}, {'start': '156.480', 'end': '160.879', 'text': 'uh this great bit of reporting from'}, {'start': '157.920', 'end': '162.319', 'text': 'Rolling Stone today about the tariffs'}, {'start': '160.879', 'end': '163.680', 'text': 'and about preparations that are'}, {'start': '162.319', 'end': '165.200', 'text': "happening. I'm sure this has happened to"}, {'start': '163.680', 'end': '166.640', 'text': 'you and people you know that people have'}, {'start': '165.200', 'end': '169.920', 'text': 'been like frontloading their'}, {'start': '166.640', 'end': '172.560', 'text': "consumption. I'm hearing from new newly"}, {'start': '169.920', 'end': '174.239', 'text': 'uh evolved preers and hoarders. Yes,'}, {'start': '172.560', 'end': '176.239', 'text': 'exactly. And it has a little bit of that'}, {'start': '174.239', 'end': '177.760', 'text': 'texture of the early COVID days of like,'}, {'start': '176.239', 'end': '179.280', 'text': 'oh, go get all the paper towels. So,'}, {'start': '177.760', 'end': '181.360', 'text': 'this is a great bit of reporting in'}, {'start': '179.280', 'end': '183.040', 'text': 'Rolling Stone. Two Trump administration'}, {'start': '181.360', 'end': '184.720', 'text': 'officials and a Trump aid tell Rolling'}, {'start': '183.040', 'end': '186.480', 'text': 'Stone they have done some stockpiling of'}, {'start': '184.720', 'end': '188.159', 'text': 'their own in recent weeks or months.'}, {'start': '186.480', 'end': '189.519', 'text': 'They know others working in Republican'}, {'start': '188.159', 'end': '191.280', 'text': 'politics inside and outside the'}, {'start': '189.519', 'end': '192.640', 'text': 'administration who are doing the same.'}, {'start': '191.280', 'end': '194.560', 'text': 'One of the Trump officials says they'}, {'start': '192.640', 'end': '196.959', 'text': 'have already run to Target to bulk buy'}, {'start': '194.560', 'end': '198.319', 'text': 'toilet paper, some types of food, other'}, {'start': '196.959', 'end': '199.920', 'text': 'household supplies. When asked why'}, {'start': '198.319', 'end': '201.360', 'text': "they're doing this, a Trump aid who says"}, {'start': '199.920', 'end': '203.360', 'text': 'they and their partner have done similar'}, {'start': '201.360', 'end': '205.440', 'text': 'household hoarding lately are also'}, {'start': '203.360', 'end': '207.920', 'text': 'stashing cash reserves in their DC area'}, {'start': '205.440', 'end': '211.200', 'text': 'home simply replies because it would be'}, {'start': '207.920', 'end': '213.040', 'text': 'stupid not to. Well, to be fair, Doge'}, {'start': '211.200', 'end': '215.680', 'text': 'has also been responsible for toilet'}, {'start': '213.040', 'end': '219.000', 'text': 'paper shortages uh at some of the'}, {'start': '215.680', 'end': '219.000', 'text': 'federal agencies,'}, {'start': '224.159', 'end': '228.080', 'text': 'but but in this case, like it we again'}, {'start': '226.400', 'end': '229.360', 'text': "all this is so strange because we're in"}, {'start': '228.080', 'end': '231.440', 'text': 'this period of uncertainty because of'}, {'start': '229.360', 'end': '233.360', 'text': 'the lag that happens with supply chains.'}, {'start': '231.440', 'end': '234.319', 'text': "So, we're all kind of pacing out what"}, {'start': '233.360', 'end': '235.760', 'text': 'this is going to be. There was a bunch'}, {'start': '234.319', 'end': '238.959', 'text': 'of bulk ordering that happened. We got'}, {'start': '235.760', 'end': '240.799', 'text': 'the first ship today sort of arriving I'}, {'start': '238.959', 'end': '243.760', 'text': "think the or the last ship that's like"}, {'start': '240.799', 'end': '245.680', 'text': "pre-tariff. But it does seem like we're"}, {'start': '243.760', 'end': '248.959', 'text': 'going to experience some real consumer'}, {'start': '245.680', 'end': '250.720', 'text': 'disruption. Yes, absolutely. Not only'}, {'start': '248.959', 'end': '252.879', 'text': 'because prices are likely to go up, but'}, {'start': '250.720', 'end': '255.360', 'text': "because we're going to have uh vacant"}, {'start': '252.879', 'end': '257.120', 'text': 'shelves probably pretty soon. A lot of'}, {'start': '255.360', 'end': '258.720', 'text': "the stocking up that's happened has"}, {'start': '257.120', 'end': '261.359', 'text': 'happened with these durable goods,'}, {'start': '258.720', 'end': '264.000', 'text': 'things that can are not perishable,'}, {'start': '261.359', 'end': '266.560', 'text': 'right? Washing machines or furniture,'}, {'start': '264.000', 'end': '268.160', 'text': "things like that. The real pain that's"}, {'start': '266.560', 'end': '270.320', 'text': 'going to come sooner is going to be on'}, {'start': '268.160', 'end': '273.199', 'text': "things that companies can't stock up on"}, {'start': '270.320', 'end': '275.440', 'text': 'like groceries, right? So, for whatever'}, {'start': '273.199', 'end': '277.199', 'text': 'reason, Donald Trump put a new tariff on'}, {'start': '275.440', 'end': '279.280', 'text': 'tomatoes, Mexican tomatoes quite'}, {'start': '277.199', 'end': '281.759', 'text': 'recently. So, that will that will have'}, {'start': '279.280', 'end': '283.199', 'text': 'an effect. It will show up very soon at'}, {'start': '281.759', 'end': '285.600', 'text': 'the grocery store. So, consumers are'}, {'start': '283.199', 'end': '287.080', 'text': 'going to feel this pretty quickly. Uh'}, {'start': '285.600', 'end': '290.160', 'text': 'with regard to that Rolling Stone'}, {'start': '287.080', 'end': '291.440', 'text': 'article, I wish these staffers, these'}, {'start': '290.160', 'end': '293.440', 'text': 'anonymous aids in the Trump'}, {'start': '291.440', 'end': '294.960', 'text': 'administration would tell Trump that'}, {'start': '293.440', 'end': '296.800', 'text': 'they are doing this. Yes. Right. Because'}, {'start': '294.960', 'end': '298.800', 'text': 'he has completely dismissed all of these'}, {'start': '296.800', 'end': '300.160', 'text': 'concerns. Well, and and this I mean this'}, {'start': '298.800', 'end': '302.240', 'text': 'is something that unites both I think'}, {'start': '300.160', 'end': '305.600', 'text': 'that the tariff trade war, domestic'}, {'start': '302.240', 'end': '307.520', 'text': 'policy, and um and foreign policy. You'}, {'start': '305.600', 'end': '309.360', 'text': 'know, it really does seem there is, you'}, {'start': '307.520', 'end': '310.560', 'text': 'know, the the whole value proposition of'}, {'start': '309.360', 'end': '311.759', 'text': 'all these people around Trump this time'}, {'start': '310.560', 'end': '313.919', 'text': "around was there's no one to tell him"}, {'start': '311.759', 'end': '314.960', 'text': "no. He doesn't like being told no. We're"}, {'start': '313.919', 'end': '316.400', 'text': 'seeing what it looks like when no one'}, {'start': '314.960', 'end': '319.199', 'text': 'tells him no. Sometimes he backs off'}, {'start': '316.400', 'end': '320.960', 'text': 'stuff. But that is the kind of unifying'}, {'start': '319.199', 'end': '323.120', 'text': "thread here that there's no one telling"}, {'start': '320.960', 'end': '325.440', 'text': "him you can't do that. Well, and also"}, {'start': '323.120', 'end': '327.039', 'text': "just the nonsense that's put in his"}, {'start': '325.440', 'end': '328.720', 'text': "brain every day. I mean, we've all read"}, {'start': '327.039', 'end': '330.800', 'text': 'about Natalie Hart following him around'}, {'start': '328.720', 'end': '333.520', 'text': "with the printer and how he doesn't even"}, {'start': '330.800', 'end': '335.199', 'text': 'really get mainstream media that he'}, {'start': '333.520', 'end': '336.960', 'text': 'actually loves and he wants to do'}, {'start': '335.199', 'end': '338.880', 'text': "interviews with. He doesn't see it. And"}, {'start': '336.960', 'end': '341.280', 'text': "so, right, it's a garbage in garbage out"}, {'start': '338.880', 'end': '343.360', 'text': 'situation. I mean where the the origins'}, {'start': '341.280', 'end': '345.199', 'text': 'of the garbage are a little unclear. I'}, {'start': '343.360', 'end': '347.280', 'text': 'think sometimes they are coming from'}, {'start': '345.199', 'end': '349.120', 'text': 'outside his brain into it. Sometimes'}, {'start': '347.280', 'end': '352.000', 'text': "they're coming from inside his brain out"}, {'start': '349.120', 'end': '355.520', 'text': 'into the world. Like the tariff stuff is'}, {'start': '352.000', 'end': '357.199', 'text': "that's like him 100%. Well, yes, he has"}, {'start': '355.520', 'end': '358.800', 'text': "loved tariffs. He's been a tariff man"}, {'start': '357.199', 'end': '360.240', 'text': "since at least the 80s. He's obsessed"}, {'start': '358.800', 'end': '361.520', 'text': "with tariffs. He doesn't know why he's"}, {'start': '360.240', 'end': '362.800', 'text': "obsessed with tariffs. Maybe it's"}, {'start': '361.520', 'end': '364.319', 'text': "because of the revenue. Maybe it's a"}, {'start': '362.800', 'end': '366.479', 'text': 'negotiating ploy. Who knows? All of'}, {'start': '364.319', 'end': '368.800', 'text': 'these objectives are at odds. I think'}, {'start': '366.479', 'end': '371.199', 'text': "it's also whoever has his ear most"}, {'start': '368.800', 'end': '373.280', 'text': 'recently who may be acting in their own'}, {'start': '371.199', 'end': '375.440', 'text': 'self-interest. Right? There are plenty'}, {'start': '373.280', 'end': '376.960', 'text': 'of people who stand to get enriched'}, {'start': '375.440', 'end': '378.960', 'text': "because of this administration's"}, {'start': '376.960', 'end': '380.160', 'text': 'policies if they can get in touch with'}, {'start': '378.960', 'end': '382.000', 'text': 'Donald Trump at the right time. Well,'}, {'start': '380.160', 'end': '384.639', 'text': 'maybe someone can make the case against'}, {'start': '382.000', 'end': '386.440', 'text': 'the trade war to Laura Loomer and then'}, {'start': '384.639', 'end': '388.880', 'text': 'we can get it'}, {'start': '386.440', 'end': '390.720', 'text': 'via nailed it. Could tell the president'}, {'start': '388.880', 'end': '392.560', 'text': 'at least Jordan and Katherine Rel. Thank'}, {'start': '390.720', 'end': '394.160', 'text': 'you both. Be sure to watch the premiere'}, {'start': '392.560', 'end': '398.520', 'text': 'of The Weekend Prime Time this Saturday'}, {'start': '394.160', 'end': '398.520', 'text': 'at 600 p.m. Eastern right here on MSNBC.'}]