The Tragic Death of Tyre Nichols | Vinnie Politan Investigates
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[{'start': '14.400', 'end': '18.400', 'text': "I'm Vinnie Palletan. The subject of my"}, {'start': '16.400', 'end': '21.039', 'text': 'investigation, the death of Tyrie'}, {'start': '18.400', 'end': '23.600', 'text': 'Nichols. It was a case that made huge'}, {'start': '21.039', 'end': '26.080', 'text': 'headlines. Terry was stopped by Memphis'}, {'start': '23.600', 'end': '29.519', 'text': 'police and what happened after he tried'}, {'start': '26.080', 'end': '32.760', 'text': 'to flee has resulted in murder charges'}, {'start': '29.519', 'end': '35.880', 'text': 'for police and it was all caught on'}, {'start': '32.760', 'end': '39.680', 'text': "camera. Here's the"}, {'start': '35.880', 'end': '42.160', 'text': 'story. On January 7th, 2023, 29-year-old'}, {'start': '39.680', 'end': '45.239', 'text': 'Tyrie Nichols was pulled over by Memphis'}, {'start': '42.160', 'end': '47.840', 'text': 'police officers claiming reckless'}, {'start': '45.239', 'end': '51.600', 'text': 'driving. What should have been a routine'}, {'start': '47.840', 'end': '53.920', 'text': 'stop spiraled into chaos. Nicholls fled'}, {'start': '51.600', 'end': '56.160', 'text': 'on foot, unarmed and frightened.'}, {'start': '53.920', 'end': '59.039', 'text': 'Officers pursued and caught him a few'}, {'start': '56.160', 'end': '62.079', 'text': 'blocks away. What prosecutors alleged'}, {'start': '59.039', 'end': '64.600', 'text': 'happened next was a savage, prolonged'}, {'start': '62.079', 'end': '67.439', 'text': 'beating by five members of the now'}, {'start': '64.600', 'end': '69.080', 'text': 'disbanded Scorpion unit. They say'}, {'start': '67.439', 'end': '71.520', 'text': 'Nicholls was punched, kicked,'}, {'start': '69.080', 'end': '74.200', 'text': 'pepper-sprayed, and struck with a baton'}, {'start': '71.520', 'end': '76.479', 'text': 'while restrained, offering no'}, {'start': '74.200', 'end': '78.479', 'text': 'resistance. He cried for his mother'}, {'start': '76.479', 'end': '81.560', 'text': 'during the assault, which took place'}, {'start': '78.479', 'end': '83.920', 'text': 'just feet from his home. He died 3 days'}, {'start': '81.560', 'end': '85.880', 'text': 'later. The officers are charged with'}, {'start': '83.920', 'end': '88.159', 'text': 'seconddegree murder among other'}, {'start': '85.880', 'end': '91.280', 'text': 'felonies. Prosecutors point to'}, {'start': '88.159', 'end': '94.640', 'text': 'disturbing body cam video and statements'}, {'start': '91.280', 'end': '96.560', 'text': 'that suggest deliberate brutality. The'}, {'start': '94.640', 'end': '99.280', 'text': 'defense argues the officers believe'}, {'start': '96.560', 'end': '101.840', 'text': 'Nicholls posed a threat and that their'}, {'start': '99.280', 'end': '105.360', 'text': 'actions were within the bounds of duty,'}, {'start': '101.840', 'end': '107.680', 'text': 'not malice. They claimed the situation'}, {'start': '105.360', 'end': '110.240', 'text': 'escalated unpredictably.'}, {'start': '107.680', 'end': '112.439', 'text': 'The case now stands as a flash point in'}, {'start': '110.240', 'end': '116.799', 'text': 'the national conversation on police'}, {'start': '112.439', 'end': '116.799', 'text': 'reform, justice, and'}, {'start': '117.079', 'end': '124.079', 'text': "accountability. So, it's rare in a"}, {'start': '120.159', 'end': '127.040', 'text': 'murder trial that you have a video of'}, {'start': '124.079', 'end': '128.640', 'text': 'the entire alleged murder and and you do'}, {'start': '127.040', 'end': '130.879', 'text': "in this case because it's police"}, {'start': '128.640', 'end': '133.680', 'text': "officers who've been charged and they"}, {'start': '130.879', 'end': '135.520', 'text': 'have body cameras. And that video is an'}, {'start': '133.680', 'end': '138.239', 'text': 'important part, if not the most'}, {'start': '135.520', 'end': '140.360', 'text': 'important part of this case in trying to'}, {'start': '138.239', 'end': '143.040', 'text': 'understand what'}, {'start': '140.360', 'end': '145.239', 'text': 'happened, why it happened, and'}, {'start': '143.040', 'end': '147.599', 'text': 'ultimately for the jury, what it all'}, {'start': '145.239', 'end': '150.080', 'text': "means. So, what we're going to do during"}, {'start': '147.599', 'end': '152.879', 'text': 'the course of this hour is go through'}, {'start': '150.080', 'end': '157.280', 'text': 'the different parts of what happened and'}, {'start': '152.879', 'end': '158.720', 'text': 'take a really close look at the video.'}, {'start': '157.280', 'end': '160.239', 'text': 'Some of this video is going to be very'}, {'start': '158.720', 'end': '162.080', 'text': "graphic and I'm warning you at the top"}, {'start': '160.239', 'end': '164.319', 'text': "of the show and I'll warn you again"}, {'start': '162.080', 'end': '166.959', 'text': 'before I play the very graphic parts of'}, {'start': '164.319', 'end': '170.000', 'text': 'the video. But I want to begin here'}, {'start': '166.959', 'end': '174.000', 'text': 'because it it it begins as a traffic'}, {'start': '170.000', 'end': '178.160', 'text': 'stop. You have a suspect driving a car'}, {'start': '174.000', 'end': '181.480', 'text': "stopped by police. Let's take a look at"}, {'start': '178.160', 'end': '181.480', 'text': 'what happens.'}, {'start': '186.680', 'end': '192.720', 'text': "Get up. Damn. I didn't do"}, {'start': '189.640', 'end': '195.920', 'text': "anything. Hey, I didn't hurt your All"}, {'start': '192.720', 'end': '195.920', 'text': 'right. All right. All right. All'}, {'start': '197.959', 'end': '206.200', 'text': "right. You don't do that. Okay. Get on"}, {'start': '200.879', 'end': '206.200', 'text': 'the ground. Get on the ground.'}, {'start': '207.200', 'end': '210.920', 'text': "All right. I'm on the ground."}, {'start': '211.480', 'end': '217.040', 'text': 'Please.'}, {'start': '213.360', 'end': '219.159', 'text': 'to tase you. Get on the ground. What?'}, {'start': '217.040', 'end': '222.560', 'text': 'Now taser. All right.'}, {'start': '219.159', 'end': '223.840', 'text': 'Okay. Break your'}, {'start': '222.560', 'end': '226.080', 'text': "So, like I said, we're going to take it"}, {'start': '223.840', 'end': '228.640', 'text': 'piece by piece. That is not the alleged'}, {'start': '226.080', 'end': '231.920', 'text': 'beating. That that part of the video.'}, {'start': '228.640', 'end': '234.640', 'text': 'This is the initial stop and what'}, {'start': '231.920', 'end': '236.959', 'text': 'happened as officers approached the car'}, {'start': '234.640', 'end': '239.360', 'text': 'and the defendant, not the defendant,'}, {'start': '236.959', 'end': '242.799', 'text': 'the suspect at the time, the victim in'}, {'start': '239.360', 'end': '245.040', 'text': 'this trial was taken uh from the car.'}, {'start': '242.799', 'end': '247.439', 'text': 'That brings us to the first question in'}, {'start': '245.040', 'end': '247.439', 'text': 'our'}, {'start': '247.640', 'end': '253.439', 'text': 'investigation. Why was Tyrie Nichols'}, {'start': '249.920', 'end': '256.480', 'text': 'pulled from the car?'}, {'start': '253.439', 'end': '256.480', 'text': 'Now, to answer that'}, {'start': '257.000', 'end': '262.079', 'text': "question, I'm not going to ask a"}, {'start': '259.880', 'end': '264.400', 'text': "lawyer. I'm not going to ask a"}, {'start': '262.079', 'end': '268.280', 'text': 'prosecutor, a defense attorney. We need'}, {'start': '264.400', 'end': '273.000', 'text': 'people who have actually done the'}, {'start': '268.280', 'end': '275.280', 'text': 'work. Joining me tonight, former NYPD'}, {'start': '273.000', 'end': '277.759', 'text': 'officer, retired Nassau County'}, {'start': '275.280', 'end': '281.120', 'text': 'Lieutenant and Commanding Officer Mike'}, {'start': '277.759', 'end': '283.600', 'text': 'Gould. Also with us, retired DEA special'}, {'start': '281.120', 'end': '287.880', 'text': 'agent and even more importantly for this'}, {'start': '283.600', 'end': '290.400', 'text': 'case, former Memphis police officer Ted'}, {'start': '287.880', 'end': '292.160', 'text': 'Golden. Thank you both for being here. I'}, {'start': '290.400', 'end': '295.919', 'text': 'requested both of you to be on this'}, {'start': '292.160', 'end': '297.919', 'text': 'program uh specifically because I think'}, {'start': '295.919', 'end': '300.000', 'text': 'your perspective is the most important'}, {'start': '297.919', 'end': '302.560', 'text': 'for us and the public to try to'}, {'start': '300.000', 'end': '304.560', 'text': 'understand and make some sense as to'}, {'start': '302.560', 'end': '306.960', 'text': "what happened here. So, let's begin with"}, {'start': '304.560', 'end': '310.160', 'text': 'this first question, which is why was'}, {'start': '306.960', 'end': '311.600', 'text': "Tyrie Nichols pulled from the car? I'm"}, {'start': '310.160', 'end': '315.520', 'text': 'going to start with the former Memphis'}, {'start': '311.600', 'end': '317.039', 'text': 'officer tonight. Mike Ted, give me your'}, {'start': '315.520', 'end': '320.639', 'text': 'thoughts, your initial thoughts about'}, {'start': '317.039', 'end': '322.800', 'text': 'the initial stop and pulling Tyrie from'}, {'start': '320.639', 'end': '324.479', 'text': 'the motor vehicle.'}, {'start': '322.800', 'end': '326.479', 'text': 'There was nothing about the way they'}, {'start': '324.479', 'end': '329.680', 'text': 'approached him that was stand operating'}, {'start': '326.479', 'end': '331.600', 'text': 'procedure. When you pull somebody over'}, {'start': '329.680', 'end': '333.919', 'text': 'uh for a traffic violation, you approach'}, {'start': '331.600', 'end': '335.840', 'text': "them uh you're courteous and you ask"}, {'start': '333.919', 'end': '337.919', 'text': "them either for their driver's license"}, {'start': '335.840', 'end': '340.160', 'text': 'or to step out of the car, turn off the'}, {'start': '337.919', 'end': '342.880', 'text': 'car and step out of the car. Uh they'}, {'start': '340.160', 'end': '345.759', 'text': "didn't do that. So from from step one,"}, {'start': '342.880', 'end': '348.400', 'text': 'this was not a standard uh police stop.'}, {'start': '345.759', 'end': '349.520', 'text': 'It was uh a bunch of bagabons that'}, {'start': '348.400', 'end': '352.000', 'text': "didn't have anything else to do than"}, {'start': '349.520', 'end': '353.680', 'text': 'harass some poor guy. When you look at'}, {'start': '352.000', 'end': '356.560', 'text': 'them with their hands on him, they got'}, {'start': '353.680', 'end': '359.520', 'text': "his arm. Uh that that's an arm bar"}, {'start': '356.560', 'end': '361.440', 'text': 'handcuff. Get him up. Uh if you want to'}, {'start': '359.520', 'end': '364.319', 'text': "do that, that's fine. But what they did"}, {'start': '361.440', 'end': '366.160', 'text': 'is so far out of out of scope of what we'}, {'start': '364.319', 'end': '368.960', 'text': "what we how we're supposed to handle"}, {'start': '366.160', 'end': '370.960', 'text': "ourselves that it's ridiculous. Uh"}, {'start': '368.960', 'end': '372.960', 'text': "there's nothing about what they did that"}, {'start': '370.960', 'end': '375.440', 'text': 'standard. Everything they did from'}, {'start': '372.960', 'end': '377.360', 'text': 'square one was totally unnecessary,'}, {'start': '375.440', 'end': '379.080', 'text': 'inappropriate, and it was at a level it'}, {'start': '377.360', 'end': '382.800', 'text': "shouldn't have been. If he was a armed"}, {'start': '379.080', 'end': '384.880', 'text': 'suspect in an armed robbery or a rape or'}, {'start': '382.800', 'end': '387.120', 'text': 'he was fleeing the scene of an incident'}, {'start': '384.880', 'end': '389.280', 'text': "where they they're pursuing him, that's"}, {'start': '387.120', 'end': '392.000', 'text': 'the way you approach him. But this being'}, {'start': '389.280', 'end': '394.479', 'text': 'a standard uh uh traffic stop for'}, {'start': '392.000', 'end': '395.759', 'text': 'driving unacceptable.'}, {'start': '394.479', 'end': '397.199', 'text': 'Mike, what are you what are you seeing'}, {'start': '395.759', 'end': '399.680', 'text': 'here? Why do why do you think they'}, {'start': '397.199', 'end': '402.160', 'text': 'ripped him out of the car?'}, {'start': '399.680', 'end': '404.400', 'text': "This is couldn't agree more with Ted."}, {'start': '402.160', 'end': '406.639', 'text': "This is an abomination. It's a stain on"}, {'start': '404.400', 'end': '409.720', 'text': 'law enforcement. You know, Vinnie, law'}, {'start': '406.639', 'end': '411.560', 'text': 'enforcement makes 10 million arrests a'}, {'start': '409.720', 'end': '415.120', 'text': 'year.'}, {'start': '411.560', 'end': '418.400', 'text': '99.9% safely without consequence. This'}, {'start': '415.120', 'end': '420.000', 'text': 'was uh again, it should have at if it'}, {'start': '418.400', 'end': '422.639', 'text': 'ended there, it would have been bad'}, {'start': '420.000', 'end': '425.120', 'text': "enough. He's surrendering. He's on the"}, {'start': '422.639', 'end': '427.680', 'text': 'ground. End of story. It would still be'}, {'start': '425.120', 'end': '429.840', 'text': 'excessive force, but in my opinion, just'}, {'start': '427.680', 'end': '431.199', 'text': "in that regard, you don't have to pull"}, {'start': '429.840', 'end': '433.280', 'text': "people out of the car. He didn't do this"}, {'start': '431.199', 'end': '435.759', 'text': 'was a traffic stop, speeding, or'}, {'start': '433.280', 'end': '439.199', 'text': 'reckless driving. The US Supreme Court'}, {'start': '435.759', 'end': '442.160', 'text': 'already dictates the use of force by law'}, {'start': '439.199', 'end': '444.960', 'text': 'enforcement and the primary uh uh prong'}, {'start': '442.160', 'end': '446.720', 'text': 'is the severity of the crime. There was'}, {'start': '444.960', 'end': '448.080', 'text': 'no severity of this crime. This happens'}, {'start': '446.720', 'end': '450.479', 'text': 'every day. People flee from law'}, {'start': '448.080', 'end': '452.319', 'text': 'enforcement for a variety of reasons.'}, {'start': '450.479', 'end': '453.840', 'text': 'Sometimes just mental illness. Sometimes'}, {'start': '452.319', 'end': '456.800', 'text': 'they might be they just want to get'}, {'start': '453.840', 'end': '459.120', 'text': "away. They're afraid. Sometimes they're"}, {'start': '456.800', 'end': '461.919', 'text': 'guilty. But as Ted said, there are'}, {'start': '459.120', 'end': '464.400', 'text': 'police procedures that you take a a'}, {'start': '461.919', 'end': '466.120', 'text': 'person out of a car. It should never'}, {'start': '464.400', 'end': '468.240', 'text': "escalate. They're supposed to"}, {'start': '466.120', 'end': '470.720', 'text': "deescalate. If it doesn't go any"}, {'start': '468.240', 'end': '472.720', 'text': 'further, this was excessive force. But'}, {'start': '470.720', 'end': '474.240', 'text': 'we do know the outcome is even worse'}, {'start': '472.720', 'end': '476.400', 'text': "than this. Right. And we're going to"}, {'start': '474.240', 'end': '477.919', 'text': 'take it piece by piece of of all of'}, {'start': '476.400', 'end': '479.639', 'text': "this. Let's take a listen to the"}, {'start': '477.919', 'end': '482.319', 'text': 'prosecute here talking about these'}, {'start': '479.639', 'end': '486.479', 'text': "particular officers because they're part"}, {'start': '482.319', 'end': '488.800', 'text': "of this scorpion unit. Let's listen."}, {'start': '486.479', 'end': '492.160', 'text': 'All five of these men that are charged'}, {'start': '488.800', 'end': '494.319', 'text': 'in this crime are police officers.'}, {'start': '492.160', 'end': '497.120', 'text': 'They work together as part of the team'}, {'start': '494.319', 'end': '499.080', 'text': "that's called the Scorpion unit. That's"}, {'start': '497.120', 'end': '501.599', 'text': "not a bad thing. It's it's data driven"}, {'start': '499.080', 'end': '503.039', 'text': 'policing. Okay? So, they send these'}, {'start': '501.599', 'end': '505.599', 'text': "these guys aren't assigned to a"}, {'start': '503.039', 'end': '507.520', 'text': "particular precinct. Okay? And they're"}, {'start': '505.599', 'end': '508.720', 'text': 'not assigned like homicide or something'}, {'start': '507.520', 'end': '510.560', 'text': "like this. They're assigned what's"}, {'start': '508.720', 'end': '512.399', 'text': "called scorpion unit. They're sent out"}, {'start': '510.560', 'end': '514.640', 'text': 'to various areas that maybe having a'}, {'start': '512.399', 'end': '517.839', 'text': "problem with whatever it is. is I'll"}, {'start': '514.640', 'end': '520.719', 'text': 'send uh unit out to make traffic stops'}, {'start': '517.839', 'end': '524.440', 'text': 'and do sort of anti-rime suppression'}, {'start': '520.719', 'end': '524.440', 'text': 'type activities.'}, {'start': '524.880', 'end': '528.640', 'text': 'All right, Ted, when you were in in'}, {'start': '526.640', 'end': '531.760', 'text': 'Memphis, did they have anything like a'}, {'start': '528.640', 'end': '532.880', 'text': 'Scorpion unit uh back then? And and and'}, {'start': '531.760', 'end': '535.040', 'text': 'what are your thoughts about the'}, {'start': '532.880', 'end': '537.839', 'text': 'Scorpion unit and its and its purpose'}, {'start': '535.040', 'end': '539.440', 'text': 'and its usefulness?'}, {'start': '537.839', 'end': '541.440', 'text': 'As a rookie police officer, I was'}, {'start': '539.440', 'end': '543.519', 'text': 'assigned to a rape detail out near the'}, {'start': '541.440', 'end': '545.200', 'text': 'airport where an individual had been'}, {'start': '543.519', 'end': '547.360', 'text': 'raping people for like three to four'}, {'start': '545.200', 'end': '550.320', 'text': 'years. Uh they pulled us from the'}, {'start': '547.360', 'end': '554.160', 'text': 'precincts. We came together and our our'}, {'start': '550.320', 'end': '556.000', 'text': 'intent was to locate this guy, catch him'}, {'start': '554.160', 'end': '558.160', 'text': 'uh and as believe it or not, the first'}, {'start': '556.000', 'end': '560.240', 'text': 'night out we actually encountered him'}, {'start': '558.160', 'end': '562.560', 'text': 'and as a result he was arrested. They'}, {'start': '560.240', 'end': '564.640', 'text': 'intentionally arrested him without the'}, {'start': '562.560', 'end': '567.519', 'text': 'officers who were involved in the the'}, {'start': '564.640', 'end': '569.440', 'text': 'the the chase initially, the'}, {'start': '567.519', 'end': '571.040', 'text': 'identification of this guy because they'}, {'start': '569.440', 'end': '573.600', 'text': "didn't want us to do what these guys"}, {'start': '571.040', 'end': '576.399', 'text': 'did. Uh they arrested him and I found'}, {'start': '573.600', 'end': '579.040', 'text': 'out on television. So, you do have'}, {'start': '576.399', 'end': '581.200', 'text': 'specialized crime suppression units that'}, {'start': '579.040', 'end': '584.399', 'text': 'work in high crime areas, and they in'}, {'start': '581.200', 'end': '586.000', 'text': 'particular are looking at uh people that'}, {'start': '584.399', 'end': '588.720', 'text': 'are involved or engaged in things that'}, {'start': '586.000', 'end': '592.000', 'text': 'we know uh like armed robberies, uh'}, {'start': '588.720', 'end': '594.000', 'text': 'snatching, grabs, uh you know, uh uh uh'}, {'start': '592.000', 'end': '595.519', 'text': "taking people's cars, hijacking folks in"}, {'start': '594.000', 'end': '597.200', 'text': "their cars, those kind of things. That's"}, {'start': '595.519', 'end': '599.200', 'text': "what you're looking for. Someone quote"}, {'start': '597.200', 'end': '601.600', 'text': "unquote reckless driving, that's a"}, {'start': '599.200', 'end': '603.519', 'text': "patrol car's responsibility. and and if"}, {'start': '601.600', 'end': '605.040', 'text': 'if if indeed it was reckless driving,'}, {'start': '603.519', 'end': '607.600', 'text': 'the smartest thing for them to have done'}, {'start': '605.040', 'end': '609.920', 'text': 'was to follow him and call for a marked'}, {'start': '607.600', 'end': '611.160', 'text': 'unit to handle it and then go back to'}, {'start': '609.920', 'end': '613.399', 'text': 'their crime suppression'}, {'start': '611.160', 'end': '616.640', 'text': 'responsibilities. Uh what they did was'}, {'start': '613.399', 'end': '618.560', 'text': 'totally outlandish, out of control and'}, {'start': '616.640', 'end': '620.600', 'text': "and basically it's barbaric. I don't"}, {'start': '618.560', 'end': '622.880', 'text': "there's no other way to describe it"}, {'start': '620.600', 'end': '624.720', 'text': 'because when you see something like'}, {'start': '622.880', 'end': '627.360', 'text': 'this, you want to know why in the world'}, {'start': '624.720', 'end': '630.240', 'text': 'they going going crazy with this. when I'}, {'start': '627.360', 'end': '632.720', 'text': 'was on that detail, Vinnie, I saw a man'}, {'start': '630.240', 'end': '635.040', 'text': 'get hit in the head with a baseball bat.'}, {'start': '632.720', 'end': '636.800', 'text': 'Um, and and and they killed it. But'}, {'start': '635.040', 'end': '639.040', 'text': 'because I was in my personal car going'}, {'start': '636.800', 'end': '642.320', 'text': 'to the uh uh the location where we were'}, {'start': '639.040', 'end': '644.640', 'text': 'doing a rape detail, I had to call in uh'}, {'start': '642.320', 'end': '646.480', 'text': 'and let somebody else handle the'}, {'start': '644.640', 'end': '648.240', 'text': "situation and I didn't get involved"}, {'start': '646.480', 'end': '650.320', 'text': "because I wasn't in uniform. Didn't have"}, {'start': '648.240', 'end': '653.200', 'text': "a badge. I had a badge, but wasn't in"}, {'start': '650.320', 'end': '654.640', 'text': "uniform. Didn't have a blue light. Uh it"}, {'start': '653.200', 'end': '656.000', 'text': 'just it was it was just just something I'}, {'start': '654.640', 'end': '657.920', 'text': 'had to deal with watching somebody get'}, {'start': '656.000', 'end': '660.240', 'text': 'hit with a baseball bat and knowing he'}, {'start': '657.920', 'end': '662.240', 'text': 'was dead. Uh but I had to leave him'}, {'start': '660.240', 'end': '664.640', 'text': 'there at 11:30 at night because we'}, {'start': '662.240', 'end': '666.320', 'text': 'started at midnight um at a major'}, {'start': '664.640', 'end': '668.880', 'text': 'intersection in Memphis and they did get'}, {'start': '666.320', 'end': '670.560', 'text': "the guy who who did it. But I wasn't in"}, {'start': '668.880', 'end': '673.120', 'text': 'a position to support it because again I'}, {'start': '670.560', 'end': '675.519', 'text': "wasn't in a mark unit. I didn't have a a"}, {'start': '673.120', 'end': '677.680', 'text': 'blue light. All I had was my badge in my'}, {'start': '675.519', 'end': '679.120', 'text': 'pocket and a pistol on my hip and plain'}, {'start': '677.680', 'end': '681.040', 'text': 'clothes.'}, {'start': '679.120', 'end': '683.680', 'text': "Mike Gold, do you think there's a place"}, {'start': '681.040', 'end': '686.079', 'text': 'for these types of specialized units,'}, {'start': '683.680', 'end': '688.160', 'text': 'crime suppression, to go into very'}, {'start': '686.079', 'end': '690.800', 'text': 'dangerous neighborhoods and and do some'}, {'start': '688.160', 'end': '692.640', 'text': 'work?'}, {'start': '690.800', 'end': '694.640', 'text': 'Absolutely. So, targeted patrol is'}, {'start': '692.640', 'end': '696.959', 'text': 'nothing unusual. I mean, I would say the'}, {'start': '694.640', 'end': '700.320', 'text': 'name Scorpion alone, you know, just'}, {'start': '696.959', 'end': '702.000', 'text': 'implies some kind of uh uh'}, {'start': '700.320', 'end': '704.240', 'text': "aggressiveness to me. It shouldn't be"}, {'start': '702.000', 'end': '705.680', 'text': 'used. Back in my day, working in NYPD,'}, {'start': '704.240', 'end': '708.399', 'text': 'we had something called the rat patrol,'}, {'start': '705.680', 'end': '710.800', 'text': 'the robbery apprehension team, and they'}, {'start': '708.399', 'end': '712.959', 'text': 'got rid of that in the 80s just because'}, {'start': '710.800', 'end': '714.720', 'text': 'of the implication. They were aggressive'}, {'start': '712.959', 'end': '717.519', 'text': 'and and and rightfully so. They were'}, {'start': '714.720', 'end': '719.760', 'text': 'dealing with rashes of robberies and'}, {'start': '717.519', 'end': '721.560', 'text': 'they go show up in an unmarked van. But'}, {'start': '719.760', 'end': '724.640', 'text': "I'll tell you what's missing here is"}, {'start': '721.560', 'end': '727.279', 'text': 'supervision. These specialized teams are'}, {'start': '724.640', 'end': '729.680', 'text': 'supposed to be specially trained and'}, {'start': '727.279', 'end': '732.320', 'text': "specially supervised. So I haven't been"}, {'start': '729.680', 'end': '734.480', 'text': 'following this all along, but where the'}, {'start': '732.320', 'end': '736.399', 'text': 'supervisor should should have called off'}, {'start': '734.480', 'end': '738.160', 'text': 'this vehicle pursuit. Most departments'}, {'start': '736.399', 'end': '739.920', 'text': 'have very strict vehicle pursuit'}, {'start': '738.160', 'end': '741.839', 'text': "guidelines. They don't allow it for"}, {'start': '739.920', 'end': '744.480', 'text': 'reckless driving because the'}, {'start': '741.839', 'end': '746.959', 'text': 'consequences of a two-tonon car, a'}, {'start': '744.480', 'end': '749.360', 'text': 'projectile going through streets is more'}, {'start': '746.959', 'end': '750.880', 'text': 'of a danger than anything else. So in'}, {'start': '749.360', 'end': '752.480', 'text': "this case, I'm guessing they could have"}, {'start': '750.880', 'end': '754.480', 'text': 'taken the plate number, which we would'}, {'start': '752.480', 'end': '756.160', 'text': 'do normally, and get an arrest warrant'}, {'start': '754.480', 'end': '758.560', 'text': 'and go arrest him for something. But'}, {'start': '756.160', 'end': '760.240', 'text': 'this uh Yeah. Yeah. So, no, the the'}, {'start': '758.560', 'end': '762.160', 'text': "targeted patrol all the time we're"}, {'start': '760.240', 'end': '764.079', 'text': "trying we're following crime patterns"}, {'start': '762.160', 'end': '766.160', 'text': 'and we put undercover or I should say'}, {'start': '764.079', 'end': '768.560', 'text': 'plain closed police officers, but'}, {'start': '766.160', 'end': '770.240', 'text': "they're highly trained. So, I don't know"}, {'start': '768.560', 'end': '772.079', 'text': "where the supervision was here. That's"}, {'start': '770.240', 'end': '774.800', 'text': 'more troubling to me. Is there a'}, {'start': '772.079', 'end': '776.880', 'text': 'systemic problem with this police'}, {'start': '774.800', 'end': '779.440', 'text': 'department? All right, our experts are'}, {'start': '776.880', 'end': '782.760', 'text': 'staying with us. Coming up next, how'}, {'start': '779.440', 'end': '786.760', 'text': 'does a fleeing suspect impact the'}, {'start': '782.760', 'end': '786.760', 'text': "officer's mindset?"}, {'start': '789.920', 'end': '794.880', 'text': "Is Karen Reed a killer girlfriend? She's"}, {'start': '792.320', 'end': '797.920', 'text': 'guilty. Or the scapegoat in an elaborate'}, {'start': '794.880', 'end': '800.000', 'text': 'cover up? Karen Reed was raped. Karen'}, {'start': '797.920', 'end': '801.839', 'text': 'Reed is accused of murdering her police'}, {'start': '800.000', 'end': '804.079', 'text': 'officer boyfriend. Defendants stated'}, {'start': '801.839', 'end': '806.399', 'text': 'repeatedly, "I hit it. I hit it." She'}, {'start': '804.079', 'end': '808.240', 'text': 'may end up taking the stand. Her first'}, {'start': '806.399', 'end': '809.760', 'text': 'trial ended with a hung jury. They'}, {'start': '808.240', 'end': '812.399', 'text': "haven't proven anything. Will a jury"}, {'start': '809.760', 'end': '815.440', 'text': 'finally agree on a verdict? We know who'}, {'start': '812.399', 'end': '817.760', 'text': 'did it. The Karen Reed murder retrial'}, {'start': '815.440', 'end': '822.079', 'text': 'live coverage weekday mornings 8:7'}, {'start': '817.760', 'end': '824.560', 'text': 'central on Court TV.'}, {'start': '822.079', 'end': '827.279', 'text': "If we don't create some longlasting"}, {'start': '824.560', 'end': '830.000', 'text': "change out of what we've seen in such a"}, {'start': '827.279', 'end': '832.959', 'text': 'short period of time, then we we will'}, {'start': '830.000', 'end': '836.160', 'text': 'fail as a country. We know that policing'}, {'start': '832.959', 'end': '838.720', 'text': "in some respects is broken and it's our"}, {'start': '836.160', 'end': '841.279', 'text': 'job to fix it.'}, {'start': '838.720', 'end': '843.440', 'text': "That's Antonio Romanucci, the um"}, {'start': '841.279', 'end': '845.839', 'text': 'attorney for the family of Tyrie'}, {'start': '843.440', 'end': '848.160', 'text': 'Nichols. He also represented uh family'}, {'start': '845.839', 'end': '850.880', 'text': 'members associated with in the George'}, {'start': '848.160', 'end': '852.240', 'text': 'Floyd case as well. Um talking about'}, {'start': '850.880', 'end': '855.360', 'text': "some of the changes that he's been"}, {'start': '852.240', 'end': '857.800', 'text': 'looking for. Now, in this case, we we'}, {'start': '855.360', 'end': '861.760', 'text': "we're going through piece by piece the"}, {'start': '857.800', 'end': '863.360', 'text': 'actual videos of the alleged murder is'}, {'start': '861.760', 'end': '865.440', 'text': "is is what they're charged with. So,"}, {'start': '863.360', 'end': '868.480', 'text': "we're going piece by piece. We saw him"}, {'start': '865.440', 'end': '871.279', 'text': 'pull him out and make the initial um'}, {'start': '868.480', 'end': '873.600', 'text': 'stop and pull Tyreek Nichols out of the'}, {'start': '871.279', 'end': '877.600', 'text': 'car, put him down on the ground. The'}, {'start': '873.600', 'end': '880.959', 'text': "next piece I'm going to show you is what"}, {'start': '877.600', 'end': '884.639', 'text': 'changes um I think a lot of things going'}, {'start': '880.959', 'end': '888.399', 'text': 'on here is that Tyrie Nichols gets up,'}, {'start': '884.639', 'end': '891.760', 'text': 'is able to escape, and then runs away'}, {'start': '888.399', 'end': '894.720', 'text': "and flees. Let's take a look at that"}, {'start': '891.760', 'end': '896.399', 'text': 'part of the video.'}, {'start': '894.720', 'end': '898.399', 'text': 'You guys are really doing a lot right'}, {'start': '896.399', 'end': '900.560', 'text': "now. Bro, lay down. I'm just trying to"}, {'start': '898.399', 'end': '902.680', 'text': "go home, man. If you don't lay down. I"}, {'start': '900.560', 'end': '905.639', 'text': 'am on the'}, {'start': '902.680', 'end': '910.839', 'text': 'ground. I'}, {'start': '905.639', 'end': '910.839', 'text': "got back up. I'm not doing"}, {'start': '924.720', 'end': '928.440', 'text': 'I hope they stomp.'}, {'start': '931.199', 'end': '934.320', 'text': 'I hope they stomp. Smith is calling for'}, {'start': '933.040', 'end': '936.240', 'text': 'other cars cuz him and Martin are'}, {'start': '934.320', 'end': '939.360', 'text': 'chasing them. Right. Went out there and'}, {'start': '936.240', 'end': '942.360', 'text': "we see him. We're on foot southbound on"}, {'start': '939.360', 'end': '942.360', 'text': 'RS.'}, {'start': '943.360', 'end': '948.160', 'text': "So now you've got a suspect who has"}, {'start': '945.120', 'end': '950.639', 'text': 'escaped custody, is now running away'}, {'start': '948.160', 'end': '952.720', 'text': 'from police, and now police, you saw'}, {'start': '950.639', 'end': '955.920', 'text': 'some of them are in the physical chase'}, {'start': '952.720', 'end': '958.399', 'text': 'of running after this fleeing suspect.'}, {'start': '955.920', 'end': '961.680', 'text': 'Which brings us to the next question in'}, {'start': '958.399', 'end': '964.399', 'text': 'our investigation.'}, {'start': '961.680', 'end': '968.240', 'text': 'How does a fleeing suspect impact the'}, {'start': '964.399', 'end': '969.920', 'text': "officer's minds? Okay, you've got"}, {'start': '968.240', 'end': '971.519', 'text': 'someone, you rip him out of the car, you'}, {'start': '969.920', 'end': '973.600', 'text': 'put him on the ground, a bunch of'}, {'start': '971.519', 'end': '977.759', 'text': "officers, he's able to get up and get"}, {'start': '973.600', 'end': '981.680', 'text': 'away. How does him escaping and fleeing'}, {'start': '977.759', 'end': '983.759', 'text': 'impact the mindset of the officers?'}, {'start': '981.680', 'end': '985.600', 'text': 'Still with me, former NYPD officer,'}, {'start': '983.759', 'end': '987.360', 'text': 'retired Nassau County Lieutenant'}, {'start': '985.600', 'end': '989.759', 'text': 'Commanding Officer Mike Gould, and'}, {'start': '987.360', 'end': '992.720', 'text': 'retired DEA special agent, former'}, {'start': '989.759', 'end': '995.279', 'text': 'Memphis police officer Ted Golden. Mike,'}, {'start': '992.720', 'end': '998.079', 'text': 'how does this change the mindset of the'}, {'start': '995.279', 'end': '1001.759', 'text': 'officers in that moment when the suspect'}, {'start': '998.079', 'end': '1003.279', 'text': 'now gets up and is running away,'}, {'start': '1001.759', 'end': '1005.360', 'text': 'right? Well, we got to go back to the'}, {'start': '1003.279', 'end': '1006.800', 'text': 'initial sto uh the beginning of this.'}, {'start': '1005.360', 'end': '1008.079', 'text': 'First of all, they should have had him.'}, {'start': '1006.800', 'end': '1009.759', 'text': 'They had him on the ground. There was'}, {'start': '1008.079', 'end': '1011.600', 'text': 'two, three, four, god knows how many'}, {'start': '1009.759', 'end': '1014.079', 'text': 'officers were there. So how he got up'}, {'start': '1011.600', 'end': '1015.920', 'text': 'and escaped. People escape again for'}, {'start': '1014.079', 'end': '1017.680', 'text': "many reasons. Mental illness. There's"}, {'start': '1015.920', 'end': '1019.519', 'text': 'all kinds of things. The question is'}, {'start': '1017.680', 'end': '1022.560', 'text': 'what do they have probable cause to even'}, {'start': '1019.519', 'end': '1024.559', 'text': 'arrest this guy for? So Vinnie, this is'}, {'start': '1022.560', 'end': '1027.039', 'text': 'a day in this happens every night. When'}, {'start': '1024.559', 'end': '1030.559', 'text': 'I was a patrol supervisor, these types'}, {'start': '1027.039', 'end': '1032.319', 'text': 'of things, car pursuits, uh suspects'}, {'start': '1030.559', 'end': '1034.720', 'text': 'running away. This is a day every day'}, {'start': '1032.319', 'end': '1037.360', 'text': 'occurrence. How you react to it. As a'}, {'start': '1034.720', 'end': '1039.280', 'text': 'patrol supervisor, my job was to monitor'}, {'start': '1037.360', 'end': '1041.640', 'text': 'these things over the radio. So the'}, {'start': '1039.280', 'end': '1043.600', 'text': 'initial stop if I take into'}, {'start': '1041.640', 'end': '1045.600', 'text': 'consideration what are they chasing him'}, {'start': '1043.600', 'end': '1047.679', 'text': 'for? Reckless driver. What was the'}, {'start': '1045.600', 'end': '1049.679', 'text': 'speed? Are they is he just you terminate'}, {'start': '1047.679', 'end': '1052.080', 'text': 'it? Just terminate terminate. We talk'}, {'start': '1049.679', 'end': '1054.160', 'text': 'about getting somebody another day. They'}, {'start': '1052.080', 'end': '1057.280', 'text': 'know they have his car. They know who he'}, {'start': '1054.160', 'end': '1059.039', 'text': 'is. So this was again the adrenaline was'}, {'start': '1057.280', 'end': '1061.120', 'text': 'running. Uh you could hear it. And this'}, {'start': '1059.039', 'end': '1063.280', 'text': "is this is it's it's bad all the way"}, {'start': '1061.120', 'end': '1064.640', 'text': 'around. Nothing good here is happening.'}, {'start': '1063.280', 'end': '1066.400', 'text': "All right, Ted. You're an officer."}, {'start': '1064.640', 'end': '1068.960', 'text': "You're on the streets. You you've got"}, {'start': '1066.400', 'end': '1071.280', 'text': 'someone you seem to have him in custody.'}, {'start': '1068.960', 'end': '1073.360', 'text': "There's a not just one officer there,"}, {'start': '1071.280', 'end': '1075.600', 'text': "there's a group of officers there and"}, {'start': '1073.360', 'end': '1079.039', 'text': 'somehow the suspect is able to to get'}, {'start': '1075.600', 'end': '1080.880', 'text': 'out and then run away. What now is going'}, {'start': '1079.039', 'end': '1083.600', 'text': 'through the minds of the officers who'}, {'start': '1080.880', 'end': '1086.559', 'text': 'were there? How does that fact of a'}, {'start': '1083.600', 'end': '1088.640', 'text': 'suspect running away impact their'}, {'start': '1086.559', 'end': '1091.280', 'text': 'mindset?'}, {'start': '1088.640', 'end': '1093.440', 'text': 'Well, two things first, Vinnie. Uh when'}, {'start': '1091.280', 'end': '1095.440', 'text': 'you get ready to tase somebody, you got'}, {'start': '1093.440', 'end': '1097.840', 'text': 'to get hands off of it because if he'}, {'start': '1095.440', 'end': '1100.880', 'text': "gets tased, you get tased. That's"}, {'start': '1097.840', 'end': '1103.120', 'text': "standard. But it's also it's also not"}, {'start': '1100.880', 'end': '1105.679', 'text': 'advisable to tase someone who was in'}, {'start': '1103.120', 'end': '1108.080', 'text': 'close proximity to other people. Second'}, {'start': '1105.679', 'end': '1110.240', 'text': 'thing, they sprayed him and sprayed each'}, {'start': '1108.080', 'end': '1112.240', 'text': 'other. So, so here we got a suspect'}, {'start': '1110.240', 'end': '1114.440', 'text': "who's on the ground and they done two"}, {'start': '1112.240', 'end': '1116.480', 'text': 'things that are inappropriate for close'}, {'start': '1114.440', 'end': '1118.960', 'text': 'contact. Spray him with a with with'}, {'start': '1116.480', 'end': '1121.039', 'text': 'pepper spray and hit him with a taser.'}, {'start': '1118.960', 'end': '1122.960', 'text': 'So that explains how he got away because'}, {'start': '1121.039', 'end': '1125.039', 'text': 'they got sprayed and they had to get'}, {'start': '1122.960', 'end': '1128.400', 'text': 'their hands off of him to let him to let'}, {'start': '1125.039', 'end': '1130.799', 'text': 'him uh to to to let him get tased. Now'}, {'start': '1128.400', 'end': '1132.960', 'text': 'neither situation was required. They'}, {'start': '1130.799', 'end': '1135.919', 'text': 'chose to do that. They were in complete'}, {'start': '1132.960', 'end': '1138.000', 'text': 'control of this 145 50 lb man. There was'}, {'start': '1135.919', 'end': '1140.240', 'text': "he's like a rag doll. There's no way"}, {'start': '1138.000', 'end': '1141.440', 'text': "they didn't have control of him. So now"}, {'start': '1140.240', 'end': '1144.880', 'text': 'the second thing the third thing is'}, {'start': '1141.440', 'end': '1146.559', 'text': 'this. When someone flees from you um the'}, {'start': '1144.880', 'end': '1148.080', 'text': 'first thing in your mind is I got to get'}, {'start': '1146.559', 'end': '1151.039', 'text': "this sucker. I won't get him. He has"}, {'start': '1148.080', 'end': '1153.520', 'text': "pissed me off. I'm going to get it. Uh"}, {'start': '1151.039', 'end': '1154.720', 'text': 'clearly he outran them. Uh because again'}, {'start': '1153.520', 'end': '1157.120', 'text': 'they they were suffering from the'}, {'start': '1154.720', 'end': '1159.360', 'text': 'exposure to the spray. Uh but but your'}, {'start': '1157.120', 'end': '1161.679', 'text': "your adrenaline's pumping and and you're"}, {'start': '1159.360', 'end': '1163.600', 'text': 'really pissed off. Uh and and and'}, {'start': '1161.679', 'end': '1165.120', 'text': 'unfortunately when that happens,'}, {'start': '1163.600', 'end': '1167.360', 'text': "somebody's probably going to get an ass"}, {'start': '1165.120', 'end': '1169.760', 'text': 'whooping. Uh plain and simple, if you'}, {'start': '1167.360', 'end': '1171.760', 'text': 'can catch it. Uh most of the time when'}, {'start': '1169.760', 'end': '1174.880', 'text': 'we chase people in Memphis, when I was'}, {'start': '1171.760', 'end': '1177.679', 'text': 'on dayshift especially, we had a plan to'}, {'start': '1174.880', 'end': '1179.360', 'text': 'break up the crap game. We had a plan to'}, {'start': '1177.679', 'end': '1181.280', 'text': 'get the guys off the corner. Somebody'}, {'start': '1179.360', 'end': '1182.320', 'text': 'got downwind and when they turned the'}, {'start': '1181.280', 'end': '1183.919', 'text': 'corner, we were standing there waiting'}, {'start': '1182.320', 'end': '1185.840', 'text': "for him. You didn't just go chasing the"}, {'start': '1183.919', 'end': '1187.360', 'text': 'guy because he was running from you. The'}, {'start': '1185.840', 'end': '1189.440', 'text': 'other thing is this. In the darkness, on'}, {'start': '1187.360', 'end': '1191.520', 'text': 'the color of darkness, once they cross'}, {'start': '1189.440', 'end': '1192.799', 'text': "the street with cars running, I'm going"}, {'start': '1191.520', 'end': '1195.280', 'text': 'to catch you another day. I got to let'}, {'start': '1192.799', 'end': '1197.679', 'text': 'you go. I I ran across ran a guy. He'}, {'start': '1195.280', 'end': '1200.240', 'text': 'darted across Lamar Avenue, six lanes of'}, {'start': '1197.679', 'end': '1202.320', 'text': 'traffic on the midnight shift. I let him'}, {'start': '1200.240', 'end': '1204.400', 'text': 'go because I was gonna get run over by a'}, {'start': '1202.320', 'end': '1206.400', 'text': 'car trying to chase somebody who who'}, {'start': '1204.400', 'end': '1208.720', 'text': "shoplifted in the grocery store. It's"}, {'start': '1206.400', 'end': '1210.559', 'text': 'just not worth it. So, these guys have'}, {'start': '1208.720', 'end': '1212.640', 'text': 'elevated this situation to something'}, {'start': '1210.559', 'end': '1214.640', 'text': 'that it should not have been and and now'}, {'start': '1212.640', 'end': '1217.039', 'text': "they're pissed off and the consequences"}, {'start': '1214.640', 'end': '1218.799', 'text': "we see later. Let's take a look here."}, {'start': '1217.039', 'end': '1223.400', 'text': 'This is where the officers speak with'}, {'start': '1218.799', 'end': '1223.400', 'text': "the with uh Tyrese's parents."}, {'start': '1224.000', 'end': '1228.280', 'text': "I'm telling you that is not my Yes,"}, {'start': '1226.240', 'end': '1230.799', 'text': "ma'am. So I'm one of the"}, {'start': '1228.280', 'end': '1233.120', 'text': "offic Yeah. I'm a CIT officer. So you"}, {'start': '1230.799', 'end': '1234.799', 'text': 'know I specialize in people who not'}, {'start': '1233.120', 'end': '1236.720', 'text': 'saying that they have substance abuse'}, {'start': '1234.799', 'end': '1238.159', 'text': 'problems stuff like that but from the'}, {'start': '1236.720', 'end': '1239.520', 'text': 'way he was fighting he had to have been'}, {'start': '1238.159', 'end': '1242.720', 'text': "on something. Well, that's what I'm"}, {'start': '1239.520', 'end': '1246.240', 'text': 'saying, sir. Because my son is not he'}, {'start': '1242.720', 'end': '1249.039', 'text': "don't he he live with us, first of all."}, {'start': '1246.240', 'end': '1252.240', 'text': 'He go to work every day. And so for him'}, {'start': '1249.039', 'end': '1254.799', 'text': 'to have been to did something like that,'}, {'start': '1252.240', 'end': '1258.320', 'text': 'something triggered it or something was'}, {'start': '1254.799', 'end': '1259.679', 'text': 'put in his drink or something.'}, {'start': '1258.320', 'end': '1261.919', 'text': 'All right, Mike, what are you doing with'}, {'start': '1259.679', 'end': '1264.480', 'text': 'information like this from from the'}, {'start': '1261.919', 'end': '1266.080', 'text': "suspect's uh parents at the time? the"}, {'start': '1264.480', 'end': '1268.559', 'text': 'suspect, now the victim in the in the'}, {'start': '1266.080', 'end': '1270.080', 'text': 'case.'}, {'start': '1268.559', 'end': '1272.320', 'text': 'Yeah. So, Vinnie, yes, you know, people'}, {'start': '1270.080', 'end': '1274.159', 'text': 'on drugs, they do have extraordinary'}, {'start': '1272.320', 'end': '1276.720', 'text': 'strength. So, so I I respect the fact'}, {'start': '1274.159', 'end': '1278.720', 'text': 'that 150 lb person can have the strength'}, {'start': '1276.720', 'end': '1280.320', 'text': "of two or three people, but that wasn't"}, {'start': '1278.720', 'end': '1282.559', 'text': "the case here. This wasn't a lone"}, {'start': '1280.320', 'end': '1284.080', 'text': 'officer in the middle of a rural street'}, {'start': '1282.559', 'end': '1286.799', 'text': 'that pulled them over and got into a'}, {'start': '1284.080', 'end': '1288.640', 'text': 'hand-to-hand fight. And I agree with Ted'}, {'start': '1286.799', 'end': '1291.440', 'text': "before. I wasn't aware of all the the"}, {'start': '1288.640', 'end': '1293.440', 'text': 'pepper spray and and all of these things'}, {'start': '1291.440', 'end': '1295.720', 'text': 'are not necessary. They actually screwed'}, {'start': '1293.440', 'end': '1298.320', 'text': 'this whole thing up.'}, {'start': '1295.720', 'end': '1299.919', 'text': "They And that's not uncommon. I see that"}, {'start': '1298.320', 'end': '1302.000', 'text': 'quite frequently. You know, I I testify'}, {'start': '1299.919', 'end': '1304.559', 'text': 'in court on the use of force pretty'}, {'start': '1302.000', 'end': '1306.559', 'text': 'regularly. And most times I my hope is'}, {'start': '1304.559', 'end': '1308.400', 'text': 'to exonerate police officers when they'}, {'start': '1306.559', 'end': '1310.880', 'text': 'do the right things. But this is very'}, {'start': '1308.400', 'end': '1312.960', 'text': 'typical. They were hands-on. He was on'}, {'start': '1310.880', 'end': '1314.640', 'text': 'the ground. So if they needed four more'}, {'start': '1312.960', 'end': '1316.400', 'text': "guys, five more guys, it's like a"}, {'start': '1314.640', 'end': '1317.760', 'text': 'football huddle. They just subdue his'}, {'start': '1316.400', 'end': '1319.200', 'text': "hands. That's what's dangerous to"}, {'start': '1317.760', 'end': '1321.200', 'text': 'people. Hands. Hands and feet,'}, {'start': '1319.200', 'end': '1323.520', 'text': 'basically. But it was a done deal. and'}, {'start': '1321.200', 'end': '1324.960', 'text': 'then they kind of screwed it up and and'}, {'start': '1323.520', 'end': '1328.000', 'text': "they shouldn't get pissed off. We're"}, {'start': '1324.960', 'end': '1330.520', 'text': 'human. We do get mad. We get mad. But a'}, {'start': '1328.000', 'end': '1333.280', 'text': 'professional police officer in this in'}, {'start': '1330.520', 'end': '1335.919', 'text': '2025 has to go go through extensive'}, {'start': '1333.280', 'end': '1339.039', 'text': 'training to deescalate this stuff. Your'}, {'start': '1335.919', 'end': '1341.039', 'text': 'ego goes out the window. You deescalate.'}, {'start': '1339.039', 'end': '1343.840', 'text': 'You use what they call objective'}, {'start': '1341.039', 'end': '1346.159', 'text': 'reasonleness in the use of force. And it'}, {'start': '1343.840', 'end': '1347.600', 'text': 'has to be proportional. So, they could'}, {'start': '1346.159', 'end': '1350.000', 'text': 'have got hit. They could have got arrest'}, {'start': '1347.600', 'end': '1352.240', 'text': 'warrant for reckless driving or whatever'}, {'start': '1350.000', 'end': '1355.679', 'text': "the problem. We're out of time for now,"}, {'start': '1352.240', 'end': '1361.240', 'text': 'but we got more coming up. Up next, why'}, {'start': '1355.679', 'end': '1361.240', 'text': 'did the officers beat Tyrie Nichols?'}, {'start': '1377.840', 'end': '1381.120', 'text': "I'm Vinnie Palletan. We continue our"}, {'start': '1379.600', 'end': '1383.760', 'text': 'investigation of the death of Tyrie'}, {'start': '1381.120', 'end': '1386.000', 'text': 'Nichols. Tyrie was stopped by police,'}, {'start': '1383.760', 'end': '1389.840', 'text': 'escaped and fled, but when he was'}, {'start': '1386.000', 'end': '1391.919', 'text': 'caught, things spiraled out of control.'}, {'start': '1389.840', 'end': '1397.280', 'text': 'Tyrie died and five officers were'}, {'start': '1391.919', 'end': '1400.240', 'text': "charged with murder. Here's the story."}, {'start': '1397.280', 'end': '1402.480', 'text': 'On January 7th, 2023, Tyrie Nichols was'}, {'start': '1400.240', 'end': '1405.280', 'text': 'pulled over by members of the Memphis'}, {'start': '1402.480', 'end': '1407.000', 'text': "Police Department's Scorpion unit."}, {'start': '1405.280', 'end': '1409.200', 'text': 'Officers claimed he was driving'}, {'start': '1407.000', 'end': '1412.159', 'text': 'recklessly, but what followed was'}, {'start': '1409.200', 'end': '1414.400', 'text': 'anything but routine. According to'}, {'start': '1412.159', 'end': '1416.720', 'text': 'prosecutors, after Nicholls briefly fled'}, {'start': '1414.400', 'end': '1418.840', 'text': 'on foot, officers caught him and'}, {'start': '1416.720', 'end': '1422.000', 'text': 'delivered a merciless'}, {'start': '1418.840', 'end': '1424.000', 'text': 'beating, punching, kicking, and striking'}, {'start': '1422.000', 'end': '1426.799', 'text': 'him with a baton while he was'}, {'start': '1424.000', 'end': '1428.799', 'text': 'restrained. Body camera video shows'}, {'start': '1426.799', 'end': '1431.440', 'text': 'Nicholls crying out for his mother,'}, {'start': '1428.799', 'end': '1434.159', 'text': 'attempting to shield himself, unarmed'}, {'start': '1431.440', 'end': '1436.440', 'text': 'and defenseless. Prosecutors say the'}, {'start': '1434.159', 'end': '1438.120', 'text': 'assault was excessive, deliberate, and'}, {'start': '1436.440', 'end': '1440.559', 'text': 'entirely'}, {'start': '1438.120', 'end': '1442.559', 'text': 'unjustified, leading to Nicholls death 3'}, {'start': '1440.559', 'end': '1444.320', 'text': "days later. They've charged five"}, {'start': '1442.559', 'end': '1446.559', 'text': 'officers with seconddegree murder and'}, {'start': '1444.320', 'end': '1449.039', 'text': 'other crimes. The defense, however,'}, {'start': '1446.559', 'end': '1451.600', 'text': 'argues the officers believed Nicholls'}, {'start': '1449.039', 'end': '1454.000', 'text': 'was under the influence and resisting'}, {'start': '1451.600', 'end': '1456.720', 'text': 'arrest. They claim the situation'}, {'start': '1454.000', 'end': '1459.200', 'text': "escalated rapidly and that the officer's"}, {'start': '1456.720', 'end': '1462.240', 'text': 'actions, though forceful, were in'}, {'start': '1459.200', 'end': '1464.960', 'text': 'response to a perceived threat. The'}, {'start': '1462.240', 'end': '1467.120', 'text': 'beating has sparked nationwide outrage'}, {'start': '1464.960', 'end': '1470.559', 'text': 'with demands for accountability and'}, {'start': '1467.120', 'end': '1472.880', 'text': 'sweeping police reform echoing across'}, {'start': '1470.559', 'end': '1472.880', 'text': 'the'}, {'start': '1473.080', 'end': '1478.559', 'text': 'nation. Throughout the the program,'}, {'start': '1475.520', 'end': '1481.120', 'text': "we've been taking a look at the bodywn"}, {'start': '1478.559', 'end': '1482.640', 'text': 'cameras of the officers that night and'}, {'start': '1481.120', 'end': '1485.279', 'text': 'the video that exists of what happened'}, {'start': '1482.640', 'end': '1486.559', 'text': "to Tyrie Nichols. Now, we've gotten to"}, {'start': '1485.279', 'end': '1490.400', 'text': "the part where he's pulled out of the"}, {'start': '1486.559', 'end': '1493.200', 'text': 'car, he gets up, he flees on foot. The'}, {'start': '1490.400', 'end': '1495.279', 'text': 'next part of the video is the most'}, {'start': '1493.200', 'end': '1497.360', 'text': 'graphic part of the video, the most'}, {'start': '1495.279', 'end': '1498.960', 'text': 'disturbing part of the video. I want to'}, {'start': '1497.360', 'end': '1500.799', 'text': "warn you ahead of time, but we're going"}, {'start': '1498.960', 'end': '1503.200', 'text': 'to show it to you because it is evidence'}, {'start': '1500.799', 'end': '1506.559', 'text': 'in the case and it actually is what this'}, {'start': '1503.200', 'end': '1509.360', 'text': 'case is ultimately about. What happened'}, {'start': '1506.559', 'end': '1512.480', 'text': 'to Tyrie Nichols when police captured'}, {'start': '1509.360', 'end': '1515.200', 'text': 'him or recaptured him uh on the streets'}, {'start': '1512.480', 'end': '1518.880', 'text': "of Memphis. So, first I'm going to show"}, {'start': '1515.200', 'end': '1520.480', 'text': "you the bodywn camera. Um and then we're"}, {'start': '1518.880', 'end': '1522.960', 'text': 'going to take a look from a different'}, {'start': '1520.480', 'end': '1525.520', 'text': "vantage point. Again, uh I'm going to"}, {'start': '1522.960', 'end': '1530.520', 'text': 'warn you this is difficult to watch, but'}, {'start': '1525.520', 'end': '1530.520', 'text': 'this is the reality of what happened.'}, {'start': '1532.559', 'end': '1536.120', 'text': 'Watch out. Watch out.'}, {'start': '1538.720', 'end': '1541.120', 'text': 'Give me a'}, {'start': '1541.240', 'end': '1547.440', 'text': 'hand.'}, {'start': '1543.559', 'end': '1549.960', 'text': 'Mom, give me a hand. Give me Okay. All'}, {'start': '1547.440', 'end': '1552.960', 'text': 'right. All right. Give'}, {'start': '1549.960', 'end': '1552.960', 'text': 'me'}, {'start': '1555.320', 'end': '1562.159', 'text': 'all Give me your hands, bro. Give me'}, {'start': '1560.000', 'end': '1566.159', 'text': 'Watch out. Spray your eyes again. Hey,'}, {'start': '1562.159', 'end': '1568.120', 'text': 'give me your hands, bro. Spray.'}, {'start': '1566.159', 'end': '1572.520', 'text': 'Give me your hands,'}, {'start': '1568.120', 'end': '1572.520', 'text': 'bro. Give me your hand.'}, {'start': '1584.080', 'end': '1587.159', 'text': 'All right.'}, {'start': '1593.919', 'end': '1597.559', 'text': 'My leg go, bro.'}, {'start': '1601.840', 'end': '1604.720', 'text': 'He said that for us.'}, {'start': '1605.600', 'end': '1610.840', 'text': 'I hit that man with so many pieces in'}, {'start': '1607.440', 'end': '1610.840', 'text': 'here. Come on.'}, {'start': '1611.520', 'end': '1614.840', 'text': 'I hit you.'}, {'start': '1615.679', 'end': '1619.919', 'text': 'Now, sometimes on the body warn camera'}, {'start': '1617.919', 'end': '1622.000', 'text': "because it's so chaotic and the camera's"}, {'start': '1619.919', 'end': '1624.080', 'text': "moving, you don't capture everything."}, {'start': '1622.000', 'end': '1626.000', 'text': 'But I wanted you to hear what was'}, {'start': '1624.080', 'end': '1629.279', 'text': 'happening as much as we could play and'}, {'start': '1626.000', 'end': '1631.840', 'text': "not beep out. So you understand there's"}, {'start': '1629.279', 'end': '1634.400', 'text': "another camera that captures this. It's"}, {'start': '1631.840', 'end': '1636.000', 'text': 'on a pole on the street and you can'}, {'start': '1634.400', 'end': '1638.080', 'text': "clearly see everything. Now, there's no"}, {'start': '1636.000', 'end': '1639.039', 'text': 'audio associated with this. So, what'}, {'start': '1638.080', 'end': '1641.520', 'text': "we're going to do is you're you're going"}, {'start': '1639.039', 'end': '1644.000', 'text': 'to hear the prosecutor describing what'}, {'start': '1641.520', 'end': '1646.640', 'text': 'is happening as you were watching it'}, {'start': '1644.000', 'end': '1649.440', 'text': 'from this vantage point of a of a camera'}, {'start': '1646.640', 'end': '1653.760', 'text': 'that has a wide shot of everything that'}, {'start': '1649.440', 'end': '1655.720', 'text': 'is happening to Tyrie Nichols.'}, {'start': '1653.760', 'end': '1658.080', 'text': "And you'll see first what is a"}, {'start': '1655.720', 'end': '1661.080', 'text': 'catastrophic soccer type kick to his'}, {'start': '1658.080', 'end': '1661.080', 'text': 'head.'}, {'start': '1661.440', 'end': '1669.840', 'text': "being Smith having us down, you'll see"}, {'start': '1664.559', 'end': '1669.840', 'text': 'Martin with a very strong kick to his'}, {'start': '1671.080', 'end': '1675.840', 'text': 'head. Tastes would collapse a little'}, {'start': '1673.600', 'end': '1677.880', 'text': "further on the ground and you'll see"}, {'start': '1675.840', 'end': '1681.919', 'text': 'Martin kick him'}, {'start': '1677.880', 'end': '1681.919', 'text': 'again in the head and in the'}, {'start': '1684.679', 'end': '1689.120', 'text': "face. You won't see Ty Nichols throw"}, {'start': '1687.120', 'end': '1691.000', 'text': 'punch.'}, {'start': '1689.120', 'end': '1696.679', 'text': "You won't see him"}, {'start': '1691.000', 'end': '1699.559', 'text': "kick and Mills baton strikes Tyrese's"}, {'start': '1696.679', 'end': '1703.159', 'text': "arm. He'll tell you"}, {'start': '1699.559', 'end': '1705.720', 'text': 'himself just because he was'}, {'start': '1703.159', 'end': '1710.360', 'text': 'mad one, two, three'}, {'start': '1705.720', 'end': '1713.559', 'text': 'times. Tyrie is purely and 100% a'}, {'start': '1710.360', 'end': '1716.399', 'text': 'victim. And those men have him in prison'}, {'start': '1713.559', 'end': '1719.840', 'text': 'falsely while they keep on hitting him'}, {'start': '1716.399', 'end': '1719.840', 'text': 'and kicking him.'}, {'start': '1720.720', 'end': '1724.720', 'text': 'And that brings us to the next question'}, {'start': '1722.399', 'end': '1726.120', 'text': "in our investigation, and it's an"}, {'start': '1724.720', 'end': '1730.200', 'text': 'important'}, {'start': '1726.120', 'end': '1733.840', 'text': 'one. Why did the officers beat Tyrie'}, {'start': '1730.200', 'end': '1735.440', 'text': 'Nichols? Why? Joining me to help answer'}, {'start': '1733.840', 'end': '1737.520', 'text': 'this question, retired DEA special'}, {'start': '1735.440', 'end': '1740.240', 'text': 'agent, former Memphis police officer Ted'}, {'start': '1737.520', 'end': '1742.640', 'text': 'Golden. And joining us, psychotherapist,'}, {'start': '1740.240', 'end': '1745.760', 'text': 'CEO of Life Counseling Solutions, Dr.'}, {'start': '1742.640', 'end': '1749.520', 'text': 'Janie Lacy. Dad, first um from your'}, {'start': '1745.760', 'end': '1750.919', 'text': 'perspective, um what what could happen'}, {'start': '1749.520', 'end': '1755.919', 'text': 'that is going'}, {'start': '1750.919', 'end': '1759.600', 'text': 'to make an officer go rogue, a a a group'}, {'start': '1755.919', 'end': '1764.880', 'text': 'of officers go rogue like this and'}, {'start': '1759.600', 'end': '1768.000', 'text': 'engage in this beating? Can Can you Can'}, {'start': '1764.880', 'end': '1771.279', 'text': 'you even answer that? Yeah, I can answer'}, {'start': '1768.000', 'end': '1773.200', 'text': "it. It's normal and acceptable behavior."}, {'start': '1771.279', 'end': '1776.080', 'text': "They've done this before. They've gotten"}, {'start': '1773.200', 'end': '1778.000', 'text': 'away with it before. Their their actions'}, {'start': '1776.080', 'end': '1780.559', 'text': 'show that their per their their their'}, {'start': '1778.000', 'end': '1784.000', 'text': 'close proximity limits the visibility of'}, {'start': '1780.559', 'end': '1787.039', 'text': 'the camera. The hero in this situation'}, {'start': '1784.000', 'end': '1790.559', 'text': 'is the person who moved the pole camera'}, {'start': '1787.039', 'end': '1792.799', 'text': 'to show what they were doing in a wide'}, {'start': '1790.559', 'end': '1794.320', 'text': 'angle because close proximity. You'}, {'start': '1792.799', 'end': '1796.240', 'text': "really can't see the punches. You really"}, {'start': '1794.320', 'end': '1798.720', 'text': "can't see the kicks. You can't see the"}, {'start': '1796.240', 'end': '1800.880', 'text': 'roundhouse swing of that baton except'}, {'start': '1798.720', 'end': '1802.799', 'text': "for that wide angle. when when they're"}, {'start': '1800.880', 'end': '1804.720', 'text': 'close to him, all you can see is the'}, {'start': '1802.799', 'end': '1807.600', 'text': "movement. And that's intentional on"}, {'start': '1804.720', 'end': '1810.159', 'text': 'their part. They know how to use the'}, {'start': '1807.600', 'end': '1813.919', 'text': 'camera angles to limit what you can'}, {'start': '1810.159', 'end': '1816.640', 'text': 'visibly see. Okay? And then last but not'}, {'start': '1813.919', 'end': '1819.360', 'text': 'least, once the man is handcuffed, you'}, {'start': '1816.640', 'end': '1821.600', 'text': "don't put your hands on it. You you get"}, {'start': '1819.360', 'end': '1824.480', 'text': 'you stand him up and you get him you get'}, {'start': '1821.600', 'end': '1826.399', 'text': "him some medical attention. Um I've been"}, {'start': '1824.480', 'end': '1828.399', 'text': 'in fights with with folk. The the'}, {'start': '1826.399', 'end': '1831.919', 'text': 'biggest fight I had was with 145 pound'}, {'start': '1828.399', 'end': '1834.399', 'text': 'man on PCP and it was two of us that had'}, {'start': '1831.919', 'end': '1837.279', 'text': 'his arms trying to get him handcuffed.'}, {'start': '1834.399', 'end': '1839.919', 'text': 'We were about the same size, 250 lbs.'}, {'start': '1837.279', 'end': '1841.520', 'text': 'And we could not bend his arms, but we'}, {'start': '1839.919', 'end': '1842.720', 'text': 'were smart enough to know if we stopped'}, {'start': '1841.520', 'end': '1845.360', 'text': 'him from breathing, we could get the'}, {'start': '1842.720', 'end': '1847.120', 'text': 'arms behind us, gave him a gut punch,'}, {'start': '1845.360', 'end': '1849.360', 'text': 'count of three, and we pulled his arms'}, {'start': '1847.120', 'end': '1852.240', 'text': 'back and hooked him up. And that was the'}, {'start': '1849.360', 'end': '1854.799', 'text': 'last time he got hit. But he was 145'}, {'start': '1852.240', 'end': '1856.480', 'text': 'pounds and he was on drugs. this man'}, {'start': '1854.799', 'end': '1859.200', 'text': "wasn't on drugs. He's calling for his"}, {'start': '1856.480', 'end': '1860.880', 'text': "mom. So, it's it for them it's normal"}, {'start': '1859.200', 'end': '1863.039', 'text': 'and acceptable behavior for them to be'}, {'start': '1860.880', 'end': '1864.960', 'text': "this way. That's what they do. They've"}, {'start': '1863.039', 'end': '1866.640', 'text': 'done it before. I promise you, if you go'}, {'start': '1864.960', 'end': '1868.799', 'text': 'back and find other folks that they have'}, {'start': '1866.640', 'end': '1871.279', 'text': 'victimized before, they have done this'}, {'start': '1868.799', 'end': '1872.559', 'text': "before. It's not something that it's"}, {'start': '1871.279', 'end': '1874.559', 'text': "part of their character. It's who they"}, {'start': '1872.559', 'end': '1876.640', 'text': "are. They're bullies. They're they're"}, {'start': '1874.559', 'end': '1878.720', 'text': "they're rogue police officers. And it's"}, {'start': '1876.640', 'end': '1880.399', 'text': 'shameful what they did to this man,'}, {'start': '1878.720', 'end': '1883.760', 'text': 'especially when they were operating on'}, {'start': '1880.399', 'end': '1886.240', 'text': 'the color of law. Dr. Janie Lacy, from'}, {'start': '1883.760', 'end': '1888.320', 'text': 'your perspective, how does someone go'}, {'start': '1886.240', 'end': '1891.520', 'text': 'from signing up to be a police officer,'}, {'start': '1888.320', 'end': '1894.240', 'text': 'an extremely dangerous job,'}, {'start': '1891.520', 'end': '1897.279', 'text': 'um, presumably like Ted Golden, you sign'}, {'start': '1894.240', 'end': '1899.519', 'text': 'up because you want to serve and protect'}, {'start': '1897.279', 'end': '1901.600', 'text': 'and end up on the other side of all of'}, {'start': '1899.519', 'end': '1903.279', 'text': 'this.'}, {'start': '1901.600', 'end': '1905.760', 'text': 'Well, first of any, I agree with Ted,'}, {'start': '1903.279', 'end': '1907.600', 'text': "right? there's this normalization and"}, {'start': '1905.760', 'end': '1909.200', 'text': "there's probably this familiarity with"}, {'start': '1907.600', 'end': '1911.840', 'text': "this behavior that they've been there"}, {'start': '1909.200', 'end': '1913.440', 'text': 'before, but I also consider the the'}, {'start': '1911.840', 'end': '1916.000', 'text': "group dynamic, right? So, they're in"}, {'start': '1913.440', 'end': '1917.760', 'text': 'this specialized scorpion unit where'}, {'start': '1916.000', 'end': '1919.600', 'text': 'they probably had their own subculture'}, {'start': '1917.760', 'end': '1921.760', 'text': 'and their own values. And when we think'}, {'start': '1919.600', 'end': '1924.200', 'text': 'about the psychology of group membership'}, {'start': '1921.760', 'end': '1926.880', 'text': 'in particular, it can create a very'}, {'start': '1924.200', 'end': '1928.320', 'text': 'powerful conformity pressure, right? So'}, {'start': '1926.880', 'end': '1931.039', 'text': 'especially when we consider police'}, {'start': '1928.320', 'end': '1933.039', 'text': 'culture there strong in-group loyalty'}, {'start': '1931.039', 'end': '1934.960', 'text': 'they probably had this brotherhood and'}, {'start': '1933.039', 'end': '1937.840', 'text': 'they had these shared values. So this'}, {'start': '1934.960', 'end': '1940.080', 'text': 'creates an environment where especially'}, {'start': '1937.840', 'end': '1942.000', 'text': 'as we as I agree with my co-panelists'}, {'start': '1940.080', 'end': '1943.760', 'text': "right if there's this rogue officers"}, {'start': '1942.000', 'end': '1945.679', 'text': 'officers are going to prioritize the'}, {'start': '1943.760', 'end': '1947.919', 'text': 'conformity of the group norm over any'}, {'start': '1945.679', 'end': '1949.760', 'text': 'independent judgment. And when we think'}, {'start': '1947.919', 'end': '1951.919', 'text': 'about this that phenomenal that'}, {'start': '1949.760', 'end': '1953.679', 'text': 'diffusion of responsibility where the'}, {'start': '1951.919', 'end': '1955.440', 'text': "individual accountability they're going"}, {'start': '1953.679', 'end': '1957.039', 'text': "to it's going to go away in this group"}, {'start': '1955.440', 'end': '1959.120', 'text': 'setting. And then as we heard the'}, {'start': '1957.039', 'end': '1961.120', 'text': 'prosecutor and the trial talk about the'}, {'start': '1959.120', 'end': '1962.720', 'text': 'officers described their frustration and'}, {'start': '1961.120', 'end': '1965.200', 'text': 'their anger and they were full of'}, {'start': '1962.720', 'end': '1966.960', 'text': 'adrenaline. So after he ran from the'}, {'start': '1965.200', 'end': '1969.200', 'text': 'initial traffic stop, this created this'}, {'start': '1966.960', 'end': '1971.279', 'text': 'emotional, you know, state prime for'}, {'start': '1969.200', 'end': '1973.120', 'text': 'violence. And especially, you know, when'}, {'start': '1971.279', 'end': '1975.360', 'text': 'we consider that this case shows the'}, {'start': '1973.120', 'end': '1977.279', 'text': 'classic signs of this escalation cycle,'}, {'start': '1975.360', 'end': '1979.360', 'text': 'right? We see the initial resistance'}, {'start': '1977.279', 'end': '1980.880', 'text': 'when he was he was running and then this'}, {'start': '1979.360', 'end': '1982.720', 'text': 'triggered to the officers this'}, {'start': '1980.880', 'end': '1985.440', 'text': 'heightened emotional response and then'}, {'start': '1982.720', 'end': '1987.039', 'text': 'their aggressive pursuit that just only'}, {'start': '1985.440', 'end': '1988.880', 'text': 'furthered the tension for them and this'}, {'start': '1987.039', 'end': '1990.399', 'text': 'created this feedback loop that we see'}, {'start': '1988.880', 'end': '1992.320', 'text': 'and as we were watching the the footage'}, {'start': '1990.399', 'end': '1993.760', 'text': 'that you were showing you know and if we'}, {'start': '1992.320', 'end': '1995.279', 'text': "listen to some of the dialogue that's"}, {'start': '1993.760', 'end': '1996.559', 'text': "been reported there's been reported that"}, {'start': '1995.279', 'end': '1999.519', 'text': 'they were bragging about some of the'}, {'start': '1996.559', 'end': '2000.720', 'text': 'actions about the incident and one um I'}, {'start': '1999.519', 'end': '2002.559', 'text': 'believe was saying that he hit him with'}, {'start': '2000.720', 'end': '2004.720', 'text': 'a a straight haymaker which you know'}, {'start': '2002.559', 'end': '2006.320', 'text': 'suggests this disturbing emotional'}, {'start': '2004.720', 'end': '2009.039', 'text': 'release And they had pride in this'}, {'start': '2006.320', 'end': '2011.200', 'text': 'violence which I agree became normal in'}, {'start': '2009.039', 'end': '2013.039', 'text': 'that sense. And then they you know said'}, {'start': '2011.200', 'end': '2015.279', 'text': 'you know this perceived threat to'}, {'start': '2013.039', 'end': '2017.519', 'text': 'authority and then it created this whole'}, {'start': '2015.279', 'end': '2019.120', 'text': 'loop that uh that triggered that'}, {'start': '2017.519', 'end': '2022.720', 'text': 'challenge to authority which then in'}, {'start': '2019.120', 'end': '2025.200', 'text': 'this scorpion group um justified in'}, {'start': '2022.720', 'end': '2026.880', 'text': 'their mind some of their non-compliance'}, {'start': '2025.200', 'end': '2028.960', 'text': "as far as their their violence. So it's"}, {'start': '2026.880', 'end': '2030.960', 'text': 'probably very familiar to them but this'}, {'start': '2028.960', 'end': '2032.799', 'text': "is the first time obviously it's on a"}, {'start': '2030.960', 'end': '2036.760', 'text': 'stage for them to be judged and held'}, {'start': '2032.799', 'end': '2039.279', 'text': 'responsible. Ted, do you just do you'}, {'start': '2036.760', 'end': '2040.960', 'text': "think there's a difference? Because it's"}, {'start': '2039.279', 'end': '2043.600', 'text': 'a group of five. We keep talking about a'}, {'start': '2040.960', 'end': '2047.039', 'text': 'group and when there are codefendants in'}, {'start': '2043.600', 'end': '2048.639', 'text': "most trials, we look at everyone's role"}, {'start': '2047.039', 'end': '2050.240', 'text': "and and sometimes it's a little"}, {'start': '2048.639', 'end': '2052.960', 'text': 'different. The culpability may be'}, {'start': '2050.240', 'end': '2055.919', 'text': 'different. In a setting like this, do'}, {'start': '2052.960', 'end': '2059.119', 'text': 'you think it is possible to distinguish'}, {'start': '2055.919', 'end': '2060.839', 'text': 'uh the actions of one versus another or'}, {'start': '2059.119', 'end': '2065.520', 'text': 'do you see them'}, {'start': '2060.839', 'end': '2067.280', 'text': 'all together the same?'}, {'start': '2065.520', 'end': '2069.040', 'text': 'When you look at the the things we the'}, {'start': '2067.280', 'end': '2071.200', 'text': 'thing we call conspiracy, when two or'}, {'start': '2069.040', 'end': '2072.879', 'text': 'more people agree to violate the law,'}, {'start': '2071.200', 'end': '2075.760', 'text': 'you got five people that have entered'}, {'start': '2072.879', 'end': '2079.119', 'text': 'into a conspiracy to just rid this man'}, {'start': '2075.760', 'end': '2081.200', 'text': 'of his own life in any way possible. and'}, {'start': '2079.119', 'end': '2082.320', 'text': "they're holding him, restraining him for"}, {'start': '2081.200', 'end': '2084.720', 'text': 'the man that hit him with the baton.'}, {'start': '2082.320', 'end': '2086.480', 'text': "They're just as guilty as the person"}, {'start': '2084.720', 'end': '2088.159', 'text': "swinging the baton. They're just as"}, {'start': '2086.480', 'end': '2090.240', 'text': 'guilty as the guy who stomped him in the'}, {'start': '2088.159', 'end': '2092.159', 'text': "head. They're just as guilty as the guy"}, {'start': '2090.240', 'end': '2094.480', 'text': 'who who threw the haymaker because they'}, {'start': '2092.159', 'end': '2097.200', 'text': 'made no effort to stop him, to hold him'}, {'start': '2094.480', 'end': '2099.040', 'text': 'back, to restrain them. Uh, you know,'}, {'start': '2097.200', 'end': '2101.119', 'text': "you're responsible. Somebody should have"}, {'start': '2099.040', 'end': '2102.320', 'text': 'had a calmer head. And even worse than'}, {'start': '2101.119', 'end': '2104.400', 'text': 'that, there should have been a'}, {'start': '2102.320', 'end': '2105.680', 'text': "supervisor there by then. There's no way"}, {'start': '2104.400', 'end': '2107.680', 'text': "somebody shouldn't have gotten there in"}, {'start': '2105.680', 'end': '2110.480', 'text': 'a supervisor capacity and told them,'}, {'start': '2107.680', 'end': '2112.320', 'text': '"Okay, back off. Back off. Let\'s just'}, {'start': '2110.480', 'end': '2113.520', 'text': 'take him into custody." It did. It never'}, {'start': '2112.320', 'end': '2115.839', 'text': 'happened. And then when they did show'}, {'start': '2113.520', 'end': '2117.599', 'text': "up, they still didn't do anything. When"}, {'start': '2115.839', 'end': '2119.560', 'text': "you look at this man's injuries and how"}, {'start': '2117.599', 'end': '2121.760', 'text': 'badly he was beaten and'}, {'start': '2119.560', 'end': '2124.640', 'text': "brutalized, you wouldn't shoot a dog"}, {'start': '2121.760', 'end': '2126.160', 'text': 'this way. Okay? You, you know, even when'}, {'start': '2124.640', 'end': '2127.359', 'text': 'you slaughter animals, you you have'}, {'start': '2126.160', 'end': '2129.119', 'text': 'mercy. You shoot them in the head and'}, {'start': '2127.359', 'end': '2130.480', 'text': "and hit their throats and it's done. You"}, {'start': '2129.119', 'end': '2133.839', 'text': "don't sit there and pound and beat on"}, {'start': '2130.480', 'end': '2136.160', 'text': 'them. This is this is inhumane. Uh this'}, {'start': '2133.839', 'end': '2139.359', 'text': "is like Dr. King's talk about a man's"}, {'start': '2136.160', 'end': '2141.839', 'text': "any demand. There's a limit to what you"}, {'start': '2139.359', 'end': '2144.240', 'text': 'should do and and I can I can witness'}, {'start': '2141.839', 'end': '2145.920', 'text': 'this for you. I was on surveillance here'}, {'start': '2144.240', 'end': '2148.560', 'text': 'in Atlanta when the red dog unit was'}, {'start': '2145.920', 'end': '2151.599', 'text': 'chasing a guy and and I can tell you'}, {'start': '2148.560', 'end': '2152.960', 'text': 'right now I sat in my car and I waited'}, {'start': '2151.599', 'end': '2154.880', 'text': 'for it to be over with. I had just'}, {'start': '2152.960', 'end': '2157.040', 'text': 'gotten out of court, had a shirt and tie'}, {'start': '2154.880', 'end': '2159.440', 'text': 'on and they said, "Here comes Red Dog'}, {'start': '2157.040', 'end': '2161.440', 'text': 'chasing somebody." They chased that guy.'}, {'start': '2159.440', 'end': '2164.240', 'text': 'They caught him. They bought him back.'}, {'start': '2161.440', 'end': '2166.160', 'text': "He wasn't driven with blood. Uh he"}, {'start': '2164.240', 'end': '2167.680', 'text': "wasn't stumbling. He actually had"}, {'start': '2166.160', 'end': '2169.040', 'text': 'changed clothes. They pulled he had'}, {'start': '2167.680', 'end': '2170.960', 'text': 'another set of clothes on trying to hide'}, {'start': '2169.040', 'end': '2173.440', 'text': 'from him. But but they were able to'}, {'start': '2170.960', 'end': '2176.000', 'text': 'bring him down. This scorpion unit was'}, {'start': '2173.440', 'end': '2178.320', 'text': 'modeled after Red Dog who also had some'}, {'start': '2176.000', 'end': '2180.640', 'text': 'issues here in Atlanta. So the thing we'}, {'start': '2178.320', 'end': '2182.880', 'text': 'got to realize is this. When when you'}, {'start': '2180.640', 'end': '2184.320', 'text': 'have folk in those kind of groups, what'}, {'start': '2182.880', 'end': '2186.640', 'text': "you've got to do is make sure that"}, {'start': '2184.320', 'end': '2189.520', 'text': 'somebody has got some common sense and'}, {'start': '2186.640', 'end': '2191.960', 'text': 'knows how to act and knows when to turn'}, {'start': '2189.520', 'end': '2194.079', 'text': 'it off and when to turn it on. And'}, {'start': '2191.960', 'end': '2197.200', 'text': 'unfortunately, all of them were turned'}, {'start': '2194.079', 'end': '2198.320', 'text': 'up. Nobody knew how to show restraint.'}, {'start': '2197.200', 'end': '2200.320', 'text': "And here's the thing that people are"}, {'start': '2198.320', 'end': '2202.800', 'text': 'missing about these videos. Ted,'}, {'start': '2200.320', 'end': '2205.839', 'text': "unfortunately, that's my camera. We're"}, {'start': '2202.800', 'end': '2207.839', 'text': 'out of time. Ted Golden, your insight so'}, {'start': '2205.839', 'end': '2210.640', 'text': 'appreciated. Dr. Jenny Le is going to'}, {'start': '2207.839', 'end': '2215.240', 'text': 'stay with us. Still to come, why did the'}, {'start': '2210.640', 'end': '2215.240', 'text': 'officers react this way?'}, {'start': '2215.920', 'end': '2220.960', 'text': 'How do you explain it? Two teenagers,'}, {'start': '2218.160', 'end': '2223.760', 'text': 'they go from zero to the worst crime'}, {'start': '2220.960', 'end': '2226.560', 'text': 'anyone can imagine. She wanted to get'}, {'start': '2223.760', 'end': '2230.800', 'text': 'her mom out of her life to kill her. You'}, {'start': '2226.560', 'end': '2232.960', 'text': 'turned to murder. Yes. You are a shrewd'}, {'start': '2230.800', 'end': '2234.240', 'text': "operator. I'm done with this interview."}, {'start': '2232.960', 'end': '2239.040', 'text': "You're trying to make me seem like I'm a"}, {'start': '2234.240', 'end': '2241.839', 'text': "monster and I'm not. and then out."}, {'start': '2239.040', 'end': '2245.760', 'text': 'Interview with a killer. New episode'}, {'start': '2241.839', 'end': '2245.760', 'text': 'Sunday at 8 on Court'}, {'start': '2246.920', 'end': '2255.160', 'text': 'TV. He was a human pinata. It was an'}, {'start': '2253.400', 'end': '2258.880', 'text': 'unadulterated,'}, {'start': '2255.160', 'end': '2265.000', 'text': 'unabashed, non-stop beating of this'}, {'start': '2258.880', 'end': '2265.000', 'text': 'young boy for 3 minutes. Oh my god.'}, {'start': '2265.599', 'end': '2270.960', 'text': 'So, the beating itself and the video of'}, {'start': '2267.760', 'end': '2274.320', 'text': 'the beating obviously um was a major'}, {'start': '2270.960', 'end': '2276.440', 'text': 'factor in why people reacted the way'}, {'start': '2274.320', 'end': '2279.599', 'text': 'they did to what happened to Tyrie'}, {'start': '2276.440', 'end': '2281.520', 'text': 'Nichols, but there was a little bit more'}, {'start': '2279.599', 'end': '2284.200', 'text': "to this. I'm going to show you another"}, {'start': '2281.520', 'end': '2287.520', 'text': 'piece of the video, and this is in the'}, {'start': '2284.200', 'end': '2290.079', 'text': 'aftermath. This is what the officers did'}, {'start': '2287.520', 'end': '2292.760', 'text': 'in the aftermath of the beating of Tyrie'}, {'start': '2290.079', 'end': '2296.400', 'text': 'Nichols. Take a look. If you if you look'}, {'start': '2292.760', 'end': '2301.760', 'text': 'closely, you will see a little fist pump'}, {'start': '2296.400', 'end': '2301.760', 'text': 'almost like a a a celebration in that'}, {'start': '2304.440', 'end': '2307.640', 'text': 'moment. That was very troubling for a'}, {'start': '2306.800', 'end': '2310.440', 'text': 'lot of'}, {'start': '2307.640', 'end': '2312.480', 'text': 'people. For a lot of'}, {'start': '2310.440', 'end': '2313.480', 'text': 'people. Brings us to the next question'}, {'start': '2312.480', 'end': '2315.280', 'text': 'in our'}, {'start': '2313.480', 'end': '2318.240', 'text': "investigation and it's about the"}, {'start': '2315.280', 'end': '2320.119', 'text': 'aftermath. Why did the officers react'}, {'start': '2318.240', 'end': '2322.800', 'text': 'this'}, {'start': '2320.119', 'end': '2325.359', 'text': 'way in that moment? Here with me, former'}, {'start': '2322.800', 'end': '2327.119', 'text': 'NYPD officer, retired Nassau County'}, {'start': '2325.359', 'end': '2328.680', 'text': 'Lieutenant, and commanding officer Mike'}, {'start': '2327.119', 'end': '2331.040', 'text': 'Gold. And still with us,'}, {'start': '2328.680', 'end': '2333.760', 'text': 'psychotherapist, CEO of Life Counseling'}, {'start': '2331.040', 'end': '2335.760', 'text': 'Solutions, Dr. Jamie Lacy. Mike, what'}, {'start': '2333.760', 'end': '2337.680', 'text': 'are your thoughts there? People talked a'}, {'start': '2335.760', 'end': '2340.000', 'text': 'lot about this that there was a a sense'}, {'start': '2337.680', 'end': '2342.720', 'text': 'of like congratulating each other for'}, {'start': '2340.000', 'end': '2347.119', 'text': 'what had just occurred. Why do you think'}, {'start': '2342.720', 'end': '2349.359', 'text': 'that was part of the reaction here?'}, {'start': '2347.119', 'end': '2351.200', 'text': 'Yeah. Well, well, I agree with Dr. Lee'}, {'start': '2349.359', 'end': '2352.640', 'text': 'in the previous segment. This is a'}, {'start': '2351.200', 'end': '2354.240', 'text': 'subculture. So, these guys are supposed'}, {'start': '2352.640', 'end': '2355.680', 'text': "to be specialists. It's like they but"}, {'start': '2354.240', 'end': '2358.800', 'text': "they're acting like a football team, an"}, {'start': '2355.680', 'end': '2360.640', 'text': 'NFL football team with human lives. So,'}, {'start': '2358.800', 'end': '2363.440', 'text': 'why did they act like that? Their ego is'}, {'start': '2360.640', 'end': '2365.359', 'text': 'ahead of them. Uh they how dare this'}, {'start': '2363.440', 'end': '2367.040', 'text': "person run from us. We're going to get"}, {'start': '2365.359', 'end': '2370.400', 'text': "them. We get them. We're going to beat"}, {'start': '2367.040', 'end': '2372.640', 'text': 'the hell out of them. Uh so, so this is'}, {'start': '2370.400', 'end': '2375.280', 'text': 'predatory behavior. This is rogue,'}, {'start': '2372.640', 'end': '2376.880', 'text': 'predatory, inexcusable behavior. And and'}, {'start': '2375.280', 'end': '2378.240', 'text': 'Vinnie, I take this personally. Frankly,'}, {'start': '2376.880', 'end': '2380.160', 'text': 'it makes me sick because this is my'}, {'start': '2378.240', 'end': '2383.680', 'text': 'profession. And this is why our country'}, {'start': '2380.160', 'end': '2386.240', 'text': 'is polarized uh against law enforcement'}, {'start': '2383.680', 'end': '2388.720', 'text': 'in many cases. This one incident, like I'}, {'start': '2386.240', 'end': '2390.880', 'text': "said, it it's disruptive. It's it's"}, {'start': '2388.720', 'end': '2392.480', 'text': 'wrong on every level and somebody should'}, {'start': '2390.880', 'end': '2394.560', 'text': "have stopped it. It's like watching a"}, {'start': '2392.480', 'end': '2396.400', 'text': 'bar fight. Just at least intervene for a'}, {'start': '2394.560', 'end': '2399.440', 'text': 'minute and hold somebody back. But they'}, {'start': '2396.400', 'end': '2402.599', 'text': 'were all really participating in this.'}, {'start': '2399.440', 'end': '2406.160', 'text': 'Dr. Jamie Lacy. So this this'}, {'start': '2402.599', 'end': '2408.640', 'text': 'celebration, this fist bump and then'}, {'start': '2406.160', 'end': '2411.680', 'text': 'some other aspects of it troubled the'}, {'start': '2408.640', 'end': '2413.839', 'text': 'public a lot and and can you explain why'}, {'start': '2411.680', 'end': '2415.920', 'text': 'they would react this way without really'}, {'start': '2413.839', 'end': '2418.880', 'text': 'the acknowledgement of what had happened'}, {'start': '2415.920', 'end': '2420.800', 'text': 'to another human being as a result of'}, {'start': '2418.880', 'end': '2423.680', 'text': 'what they did with their own hands and'}, {'start': '2420.800', 'end': '2425.280', 'text': 'feet and batons.'}, {'start': '2423.680', 'end': '2427.200', 'text': "Well, Vinnie, you know, if I'm correct,"}, {'start': '2425.280', 'end': '2429.040', 'text': 'I remember during the trial, one officer'}, {'start': '2427.200', 'end': '2430.800', 'text': 'testified that the MPD officers'}, {'start': '2429.040', 'end': '2433.520', 'text': 'regularly inflicted what um I believe'}, {'start': '2430.800', 'end': '2436.800', 'text': 'they called a run tax. So, they know'}, {'start': '2433.520', 'end': '2440.480', 'text': 'that they use unjustified violence uh to'}, {'start': '2436.800', 'end': '2442.079', 'text': 'punish anyone that ran from police. So,'}, {'start': '2440.480', 'end': '2443.839', 'text': 'we know that that suggested that'}, {'start': '2442.079', 'end': '2446.079', 'text': 'normalized behavior within that'}, {'start': '2443.839', 'end': '2448.000', 'text': 'department culture. and the scorpion'}, {'start': '2446.079', 'end': '2449.680', 'text': 'unit that those officers belong to, they'}, {'start': '2448.000', 'end': '2451.520', 'text': 'had they were specifically designed, if'}, {'start': '2449.680', 'end': '2454.160', 'text': "I'm correct, for aggressive police"}, {'start': '2451.520', 'end': '2456.560', 'text': 'tacticing tacticals. So, they create'}, {'start': '2454.160', 'end': '2459.440', 'text': 'this environment where the success force'}, {'start': '2456.560', 'end': '2461.520', 'text': 'might even be accepted. And then what I'}, {'start': '2459.440', 'end': '2464.400', 'text': 'also see when I watch this video is'}, {'start': '2461.520', 'end': '2467.520', 'text': 'almost this dehumanization, right? And'}, {'start': '2464.400', 'end': '2469.280', 'text': 'we know that when um police officers in'}, {'start': '2467.520', 'end': '2472.160', 'text': 'particular when they get into high'}, {'start': '2469.280', 'end': '2474.319', 'text': 'stress situations potentially they can'}, {'start': '2472.160', 'end': '2476.400', 'text': 'engage in that psychological distancing'}, {'start': '2474.319', 'end': '2478.160', 'text': 'from um what has happened and this'}, {'start': '2476.400', 'end': '2480.800', 'text': "dehumanization perception and they're"}, {'start': '2478.160', 'end': '2482.480', 'text': 'viewing this subject as less than human.'}, {'start': '2480.800', 'end': '2484.000', 'text': "So when they're facilitating more"}, {'start': '2482.480', 'end': '2485.839', 'text': "extreme use of force. So when we're"}, {'start': '2484.000', 'end': '2488.640', 'text': 'seeing the slap on the, you know, the'}, {'start': '2485.839', 'end': '2490.440', 'text': 'the the the fist bumps and the hitting'}, {'start': '2488.640', 'end': '2491.920', 'text': 'him on the back to almost like a'}, {'start': '2490.440', 'end': '2494.800', 'text': 'congratulatoratory, right? That'}, {'start': '2491.920', 'end': '2496.640', 'text': 'excessive force, you know, which we have'}, {'start': '2494.800', 'end': '2498.720', 'text': "seen with the footage that we've seen"}, {'start': '2496.640', 'end': '2500.480', 'text': 'tonight is continued after he was even'}, {'start': '2498.720', 'end': '2502.880', 'text': 'subdued, which suggests that those'}, {'start': '2500.480', 'end': '2505.200', 'text': 'officers had psychologically detached'}, {'start': '2502.880', 'end': '2507.200', 'text': 'from seeing his humanity and his'}, {'start': '2505.200', 'end': '2509.680', 'text': 'suffering. And I believe some of the'}, {'start': '2507.200', 'end': '2511.440', 'text': 'body cam footage that we also saw showed'}, {'start': '2509.680', 'end': '2513.839', 'text': 'the officers, they were almost bragging'}, {'start': '2511.440', 'end': '2515.599', 'text': "about the the beating. Um, I Let's do"}, {'start': '2513.839', 'end': '2516.800', 'text': "this. Before we run out of time, let's"}, {'start': '2515.599', 'end': '2520.680', 'text': 'take a quick listen to some of the'}, {'start': '2516.800', 'end': '2520.680', 'text': 'officers talking afterwards.'}, {'start': '2523.440', 'end': '2526.839', 'text': 'Yeah, me too.'}, {'start': '2535.079', 'end': '2539.040', 'text': 'Y not bringing dude.'}, {'start': '2540.920', 'end': '2544.319', 'text': 'Hell, man.'}, {'start': '2549.440', 'end': '2552.640', 'text': 'I just reopen my back up, bro. Where'}, {'start': '2551.200', 'end': '2553.839', 'text': "y'all see him, man? Right here. He was"}, {'start': '2552.640', 'end': '2555.920', 'text': 'running through the yard, bro. This why'}, {'start': '2553.839', 'end': '2557.040', 'text': "I got I said he I couldn't see no more."}, {'start': '2555.920', 'end': '2558.640', 'text': 'Boy, you said that. We went through'}, {'start': '2557.040', 'end': '2560.160', 'text': "there. Yeah. Y'all said ball head"}, {'start': '2558.640', 'end': '2561.760', 'text': 'though. I was like, but then he started'}, {'start': '2560.160', 'end': '2564.240', 'text': 'running, bro. He was about his face. I'}, {'start': '2561.760', 'end': '2566.720', 'text': 'said he about his face.'}, {'start': '2564.240', 'end': '2568.480', 'text': "That's it."}, {'start': '2566.720', 'end': '2570.000', 'text': 'Dr. Jay Lacy, we only have about 15'}, {'start': '2568.480', 'end': '2572.400', 'text': 'seconds left here. Could you give us the'}, {'start': '2570.000', 'end': '2574.480', 'text': 'final word here? Yeah. You know what we'}, {'start': '2572.400', 'end': '2576.960', 'text': 'just saw is there was a disconnect from'}, {'start': '2574.480', 'end': '2579.440', 'text': 'the human impact of their actions and'}, {'start': '2576.960', 'end': '2581.599', 'text': 'you know their failure to to intervene'}, {'start': '2579.440', 'end': '2584.240', 'text': 'also showed that you know they they were'}, {'start': '2581.599', 'end': '2586.720', 'text': 'disconnected from from what happened. So'}, {'start': '2584.240', 'end': '2588.400', 'text': 'their group think really overrode any'}, {'start': '2586.720', 'end': '2590.640', 'text': 'ethical and professional obligations'}, {'start': '2588.400', 'end': '2593.760', 'text': 'they had in helping him. Big thank you'}, {'start': '2590.640', 'end': '2595.200', 'text': 'Dr. Jenny Lacy and Mike Gold for sharing'}, {'start': '2593.760', 'end': '2597.440', 'text': 'uh your incredible insight. We'}, {'start': '2595.200', 'end': '2599.440', 'text': "appreciate it. Now it's clear this"}, {'start': '2597.440', 'end': '2601.280', 'text': 'should not have happened. When police'}, {'start': '2599.440', 'end': '2603.920', 'text': 'make an arrest, the suspect should not'}, {'start': '2601.280', 'end': '2606.560', 'text': 'die. Yes, they have the most difficult,'}, {'start': '2603.920', 'end': '2608.079', 'text': 'dangerous job in the business, right?'}, {'start': '2606.560', 'end': '2611.119', 'text': 'But they also have to act within the'}, {'start': '2608.079', 'end': '2615.200', 'text': 'bounds of the law at all times and not'}, {'start': '2611.119', 'end': '2618.800', 'text': 'lose control. The video tells a big part'}, {'start': '2615.200', 'end': '2622.319', 'text': 'of the story. But there is one more big'}, {'start': '2618.800', 'end': '2625.359', 'text': 'question still lingering. Did police'}, {'start': '2622.319', 'end': '2627.359', 'text': "murder Tyrie Nichols? I'm Vinnie"}, {'start': '2625.359', 'end': '2631.960', 'text': "Palletan. We'll keep digging for answers"}, {'start': '2627.359', 'end': '2631.960', 'text': 'as the investigation continues.'}]