4 Investigates: Clear Deception pt. 3
KOB 4
[{'start': '4.160', 'end': '11.120', 'text': "Clear's deception evaded detection for"}, {'start': '7.040', 'end': '14.000', 'text': 'decades. From 1995 to 2024, this'}, {'start': '11.120', 'end': '16.560', 'text': 'criminal enterprise grew. Police'}, {'start': '14.000', 'end': '19.640', 'text': 'agencies, prosecutors, and the judiciary'}, {'start': '16.560', 'end': '21.920', 'text': 'all missed the signs. over the last 30'}, {'start': '19.640', 'end': '23.920', 'text': 'years. Whether it was the lack of a'}, {'start': '21.920', 'end': '26.640', 'text': 'coordinated notification system for'}, {'start': '23.920', 'end': '30.000', 'text': 'missed hearings or the fact that Metro'}, {'start': '26.640', 'end': '33.040', 'text': 'Court judges hear thousands of DWI cases'}, {'start': '30.000', 'end': '35.920', 'text': 'every year, there is one group of people'}, {'start': '33.040', 'end': '39.200', 'text': 'actually paid to sit right here and'}, {'start': '35.920', 'end': '42.719', 'text': 'monitor a portion of all DWI cases from'}, {'start': '39.200', 'end': '45.120', 'text': "start to finish. And they're getting"}, {'start': '42.719', 'end': '47.039', 'text': 'millions of dollars to do it. We are'}, {'start': '45.120', 'end': '48.480', 'text': 'talking about federal dollars filtered'}, {'start': '47.039', 'end': '50.879', 'text': 'through our New Mexico Department of'}, {'start': '48.480', 'end': '52.879', 'text': 'Transportation traffic safety division.'}, {'start': '50.879', 'end': '54.719', 'text': 'Shannon Glend Denning is its newest'}, {'start': '52.879', 'end': '56.399', 'text': 'leader. So even under contract with our'}, {'start': '54.719', 'end': '59.120', 'text': 'court monitoring program for about 9'}, {'start': '56.399', 'end': '62.160', 'text': 'years. Mothers Against Drunk Driving won'}, {'start': '59.120', 'end': '65.600', 'text': 'the bid. The most recent contract worth'}, {'start': '62.160', 'end': '68.000', 'text': '$2 million for four years requires MAD'}, {'start': '65.600', 'end': '71.280', 'text': 'to keep detailed case information,'}, {'start': '68.000', 'end': '74.560', 'text': 'defendant, judge, defense attorney, and'}, {'start': '71.280', 'end': '78.000', 'text': 'the outcome. Over the last 9 years, MAD'}, {'start': '74.560', 'end': '80.400', 'text': 'has monitored more than 12,000 cases.'}, {'start': '78.000', 'end': '82.320', 'text': 'Their findings are part of both monthly'}, {'start': '80.400', 'end': '84.320', 'text': 'and yearly reports sent to the'}, {'start': '82.320', 'end': '86.240', 'text': 'Department of Transportation. So, it'}, {'start': '84.320', 'end': '88.320', 'text': 'helps us get paint a better picture of'}, {'start': '86.240', 'end': '91.280', 'text': "what's happening. That picture shows"}, {'start': '88.320', 'end': '95.200', 'text': 'statewide DWI dismissal rates hovering'}, {'start': '91.280', 'end': '98.159', 'text': 'around 30 to close to 50% in the most'}, {'start': '95.200', 'end': '100.640', 'text': 'recent reports. All citing the lack of'}, {'start': '98.159', 'end': '103.360', 'text': 'evidence being turned over and officers'}, {'start': '100.640', 'end': '105.240', 'text': 'not showing up. the data is there. Um,'}, {'start': '103.360', 'end': '107.280', 'text': "but if we're not seeing much change"}, {'start': '105.240', 'end': '109.200', 'text': 'year-over-year, are we getting in front'}, {'start': '107.280', 'end': '111.040', 'text': 'of the right people? I think one of the'}, {'start': '109.200', 'end': '113.520', 'text': 'things that the MAD reports have'}, {'start': '111.040', 'end': '116.159', 'text': 'identified is that there are structural'}, {'start': '113.520', 'end': '118.079', 'text': "challenges to this that there's um lack"}, {'start': '116.159', 'end': '119.119', 'text': 'of staffing and support and funding. And'}, {'start': '118.079', 'end': '121.920', 'text': "so that's something we're trying to work"}, {'start': '119.119', 'end': '124.240', 'text': "on. MAD doesn't monitor every case, but"}, {'start': '121.920', 'end': '126.880', 'text': 'its extensive data shows of the'}, {'start': '124.240', 'end': '129.280', 'text': 'attorneys monitored the most, Thomas'}, {'start': '126.880', 'end': '131.840', 'text': 'Clear III had the second highest rate of'}, {'start': '129.280', 'end': '133.920', 'text': "dismissals. Glenn Denning says she's not"}, {'start': '131.840', 'end': '138.080', 'text': 'sure what, if anything, was ever done'}, {'start': '133.920', 'end': '139.959', 'text': 'with it. How can you measure success?'}, {'start': '138.080', 'end': '142.160', 'text': "That's a good"}, {'start': '139.959', 'end': '144.239', 'text': "question. I think something that we're"}, {'start': '142.160', 'end': '147.200', 'text': 'looking at is participation and'}, {'start': '144.239', 'end': '149.840', 'text': 'engagement in the process. 9 years, more'}, {'start': '147.200', 'end': '151.840', 'text': 'than 3 million in federal funds later,'}, {'start': '149.840', 'end': '154.160', 'text': "there's no sign the DWI corruption"}, {'start': '151.840', 'end': '157.440', 'text': 'scandal will have any impact on the'}, {'start': '154.160', 'end': '161.200', 'text': "state's DWI court monitoring team. Have"}, {'start': '157.440', 'end': '164.319', 'text': 'you talked to Mad about this since that?'}, {'start': '161.200', 'end': '167.280', 'text': "I have not. Now, why not? It hasn't come"}, {'start': '164.319', 'end': '169.680', 'text': 'up. Long considered one of the loudest,'}, {'start': '167.280', 'end': '172.879', 'text': 'most respected anti-drunk driving'}, {'start': '169.680', 'end': '175.040', 'text': 'voices, MAD never responded to our many'}, {'start': '172.879', 'end': '177.440', 'text': 'requests to sit down and talk about its'}, {'start': '175.040', 'end': '180.160', 'text': 'court monitoring program. We wanted to'}, {'start': '177.440', 'end': '182.000', 'text': "know what it's doing with all this data."}, {'start': '180.160', 'end': '184.000', 'text': 'Does this group share this information'}, {'start': '182.000', 'end': '187.400', 'text': 'with police agencies, judges,'}, {'start': '184.000', 'end': '190.800', 'text': "prosecutors? Matt's contract ends in"}, {'start': '187.400', 'end': '192.640', 'text': '2026. Glenn Denning says NMD DOT is'}, {'start': '190.800', 'end': '194.959', 'text': 'looking for ways to evaluate the'}, {'start': '192.640', 'end': '197.599', 'text': 'program. We know this scheme involves'}, {'start': '194.959', 'end': '199.920', 'text': 'Thomas Clear III and a handful of police'}, {'start': '197.599', 'end': '202.239', 'text': 'officers. We now know that for more than'}, {'start': '199.920', 'end': '204.640', 'text': 'a decade, others in the justice system'}, {'start': '202.239', 'end': '206.800', 'text': 'suspected something was wrong. And now'}, {'start': '204.640', 'end': '210.200', 'text': "some of Clear's oldest connections are"}, {'start': '206.800', 'end': '210.200', 'text': 'facing scrutiny.'}, {'start': '210.319', 'end': '215.200', 'text': 'Rudy Chavez is the second attorney'}, {'start': '212.879', 'end': '217.360', 'text': 'implicated in the scheme. He is fighting'}, {'start': '215.200', 'end': '219.599', 'text': "the allegations, but there's no doubt"}, {'start': '217.360', 'end': '222.080', 'text': "he's old buddies with Clear. We have a"}, {'start': '219.599', 'end': '223.920', 'text': 'very small community, and your'}, {'start': '222.080', 'end': '226.080', 'text': 'reputation begins the day you set foot'}, {'start': '223.920', 'end': '228.799', 'text': 'in the law school. Sometimes even'}, {'start': '226.080', 'end': '230.720', 'text': "earlier, Rudy Chavez's Facebook photos"}, {'start': '228.799', 'end': '233.680', 'text': 'show him with clear during their'}, {'start': '230.720', 'end': '235.599', 'text': 'fraternity days at UN M. While officers'}, {'start': '233.680', 'end': '238.319', 'text': "who've pleaded guilty in the scheme have"}, {'start': '235.599', 'end': '240.640', 'text': 'implicated Rudy Chavez, we found far'}, {'start': '238.319', 'end': '243.040', 'text': 'fewer cases with those officers over the'}, {'start': '240.640', 'end': '245.519', 'text': "years with dismissal rates that don't"}, {'start': '243.040', 'end': '248.959', 'text': 'approach clears either. Uh we know that'}, {'start': '245.519', 'end': '250.879', 'text': "there's a lot of co-mingling uh between"}, {'start': '248.959', 'end': '252.640', 'text': 'uh officers and defense attorneys. I'}, {'start': '250.879', 'end': '254.640', 'text': "would suppose it's the same with the"}, {'start': '252.640', 'end': '256.560', 'text': 'co-mingling with officers and other'}, {'start': '254.640', 'end': '260.160', 'text': 'members of the criminal justice system.'}, {'start': '256.560', 'end': '263.120', 'text': 'As this scheme grew, so did suspicions.'}, {'start': '260.160', 'end': '265.520', 'text': "Clear's former parillegal recalls a 2009"}, {'start': '263.120', 'end': '268.400', 'text': 'conversation. This person questioned me'}, {'start': '265.520', 'end': '270.240', 'text': 'as to if I had any knowledge of him'}, {'start': '268.400', 'end': '271.680', 'text': "paying off cops, which I didn't. I"}, {'start': '270.240', 'end': '272.720', 'text': "didn't know anything was going on. All I"}, {'start': '271.680', 'end': '274.000', 'text': 'knew that there was a bunch of cops'}, {'start': '272.720', 'end': '276.000', 'text': 'there all the time. That was it.'}, {'start': '274.000', 'end': '278.160', 'text': 'Somebody at Metro Court asked you asked'}, {'start': '276.000', 'end': '280.080', 'text': 'me was a higher up that asked me. Asked'}, {'start': '278.160', 'end': '281.600', 'text': 'you if they know if a person in power,'}, {'start': '280.080', 'end': '284.320', 'text': "let's put it that way. A person in power"}, {'start': '281.600', 'end': '286.560', 'text': 'at Metro Court asks you if you know'}, {'start': '284.320', 'end': '288.720', 'text': 'anything about Tom paying off cops.'}, {'start': '286.560', 'end': '291.199', 'text': "Correct. What's your reaction? And I'm"}, {'start': '288.720', 'end': '293.360', 'text': "like, I said, that's news to me. I never"}, {'start': '291.199', 'end': '297.639', 'text': 'knew anything about it. All I know is'}, {'start': '293.360', 'end': '297.639', 'text': "there's always cops in that office."}, {'start': '297.840', 'end': '302.560', 'text': 'We went looking for retired Metro Court'}, {'start': '300.240', 'end': '305.040', 'text': 'judges to talk with us about that time'}, {'start': '302.560', 'end': '307.199', 'text': 'period. Hi, is this Tommy Juul? Judge'}, {'start': '305.040', 'end': '309.440', 'text': 'Tommy Juel gave us time on the phone. He'}, {'start': '307.199', 'end': '312.320', 'text': 'says he was as surprised as anyone at'}, {'start': '309.440', 'end': '314.560', 'text': "Clear's deception. Other judges did not"}, {'start': '312.320', 'end': '317.680', 'text': 'want to be named, but for Investigates'}, {'start': '314.560', 'end': '320.560', 'text': 'has learned some had suspicions.'}, {'start': '317.680', 'end': '322.240', 'text': "So does Albuquerquekey's police chief. I"}, {'start': '320.560', 'end': '323.680', 'text': 'would be shocked if those established'}, {'start': '322.240', 'end': '325.680', 'text': 'relationships with other parts of the'}, {'start': '323.680', 'end': '327.600', 'text': "criminal justice system didn't also play"}, {'start': '325.680', 'end': '329.759', 'text': 'part. Are we sure that there was nothing'}, {'start': '327.600', 'end': '331.759', 'text': 'illegal happening on that end of things?'}, {'start': '329.759', 'end': '333.039', 'text': 'Sure. The investigation continues. You'}, {'start': '331.759', 'end': '334.720', 'text': 'know, we are going to leave no stone'}, {'start': '333.039', 'end': '337.039', 'text': 'unturned, whether it be, you know,'}, {'start': '334.720', 'end': '339.120', 'text': 'officers or anybody else involved in'}, {'start': '337.039', 'end': '340.880', 'text': 'corruption and really the perversion of'}, {'start': '339.120', 'end': '343.680', 'text': 'our criminal justice system. You know,'}, {'start': '340.880', 'end': '346.240', 'text': 'we will keep looking. This case is far'}, {'start': '343.680', 'end': '349.199', 'text': 'from over. Untangling decades of'}, {'start': '346.240', 'end': '351.360', 'text': 'corruption could take the FBI years.'}, {'start': '349.199', 'end': '354.160', 'text': "Case data we've gone through raises"}, {'start': '351.360', 'end': '357.120', 'text': "suspicion for many more officers we're"}, {'start': '354.160', 'end': '359.440', 'text': "not naming. We've spent the last year"}, {'start': '357.120', 'end': '361.600', 'text': "uncovering Clear's connections and now"}, {'start': '359.440', 'end': '363.759', 'text': "you can too. We've built a virtual"}, {'start': '361.600', 'end': '366.319', 'text': 'version of this board showing everything'}, {'start': '363.759', 'end': '368.000', 'text': 'that we found and how we found it.'}, {'start': '366.319', 'end': '370.319', 'text': 'Everything from those campaign'}, {'start': '368.000', 'end': '372.720', 'text': "contributions to Clear's interactions"}, {'start': '370.319', 'end': '375.360', 'text': 'with Metro Court judges. You can also'}, {'start': '372.720', 'end': '377.600', 'text': 'track these officers and plea deals as'}, {'start': '375.360', 'end': '380.000', 'text': 'they happen. While the feds continue to'}, {'start': '377.600', 'end': '382.240', 'text': 'investigate, we will too. For four'}, {'start': '380.000', 'end': '385.039', 'text': "investigates, I'm Ryan Laughlin. I'm"}, {'start': '382.240', 'end': '388.039', 'text': 'Britney Costello. This has been Clear'}, {'start': '385.039', 'end': '388.039', 'text': 'Deception.'}]