A Practical Response to Suicide
Atonement Lutheran Church
[{'start': '0.016', 'end': '2.300', 'text': "<b>Well, you've had a chance to review what</b>"}, {'start': '2.300', 'end': '4.783', 'text': '<b>God says about the issue of suicide.</b>'}, {'start': '5.566', 'end': '7.616', 'text': '<b>And now we want to talk about it on what</b>'}, {'start': '7.616', 'end': '9.783', 'text': "<b>I'll call a more practical level.</b>"}, {'start': '9.783', 'end': '11.800', 'text': '<b>What are some things you can say and do</b>'}, {'start': '11.800', 'end': '13.533', 'text': '<b>in regards to these things?</b>'}, {'start': '13.766', 'end': '15.033', 'text': "<b>And we're thankful to be</b>"}, {'start': '15.033', 'end': '17.383', 'text': '<b>joined today by Mrs. Amy Glisber.</b>'}, {'start': '17.866', 'end': '19.716', 'text': '<b>Amy is a mental health professional.</b>'}, {'start': '20.116', 'end': '21.833', 'text': '<b>She serves at Atonement Lutheran School</b>'}, {'start': '21.833', 'end': '25.099', 'text': '<b>as a part of our team, as sort of a</b>'}, {'start': '25.099', 'end': '27.400', 'text': '<b>guidance counselor for the young men and</b>'}, {'start': '27.400', 'end': '29.566', 'text': '<b>women, as well as for some of the staff.</b>'}, {'start': '29.583', 'end': '32.833', 'text': '<b>So Amy, what are some things that you</b>'}, {'start': '32.833', 'end': '34.283', 'text': '<b>could say to a person</b>'}, {'start': '34.283', 'end': '36.699', 'text': "<b>who's having suicidal thoughts?</b>"}, {'start': '36.699', 'end': '37.516', 'text': '<b>What would you recommend?</b>'}, {'start': '39.349', 'end': '42.016', 'text': '<b>So I would actually back it up a little</b>'}, {'start': '42.016', 'end': '44.016', 'text': '<b>bit just to talk about</b>'}, {'start': '44.016', 'end': '45.266', 'text': '<b>what are some warning signs.</b>'}, {'start': '45.633', 'end': '45.883', 'text': '<b>Okay.</b>'}, {'start': '46.000', 'end': '46.366', 'text': '<b>Yeah.</b>'}, {'start': '46.366', 'end': '48.599', 'text': '<b>So I would look for if someone says</b>'}, {'start': '48.599', 'end': '50.716', 'text': "<b>something like, I don't</b>"}, {'start': '50.716', 'end': '51.716', 'text': '<b>want to be here anymore.</b>'}, {'start': '51.716', 'end': '52.983', 'text': "<b>I can't do this anymore.</b>"}, {'start': '54.516', 'end': '55.400', 'text': '<b>This earth would be</b>'}, {'start': '55.400', 'end': '56.583', 'text': '<b>better off without me.</b>'}, {'start': '56.966', 'end': '57.633', 'text': '<b>Things like that.</b>'}, {'start': '58.349', 'end': '61.983', 'text': '<b>And then go toward a clarifying question</b>'}, {'start': '61.983', 'end': '62.599', 'text': '<b>because sometimes</b>'}, {'start': '62.599', 'end': '64.083', 'text': '<b>people just say things off</b>'}, {'start': '64.083', 'end': '66.616', 'text': "<b>the cuff and they don't really mean like</b>"}, {'start': '66.616', 'end': '67.583', 'text': "<b>they don't want to be</b>"}, {'start': '67.583', 'end': '68.366', 'text': '<b>here, but they might be</b>'}, {'start': '68.366', 'end': '69.666', 'text': '<b>frustrated in their situation.</b>'}, {'start': '70.433', 'end': '71.766', 'text': '<b>So you just want to say, what do you mean</b>'}, {'start': '71.766', 'end': '74.033', 'text': "<b>by when you say, I don't want to be here</b>"}, {'start': '74.033', 'end': '76.266', 'text': '<b>anymore, what do you mean by that?</b>'}, {'start': '77.099', 'end': '79.316', 'text': "<b>And then either they'll express</b>"}, {'start': '79.316', 'end': '80.633', 'text': '<b>frustration over their</b>'}, {'start': '80.633', 'end': '82.466', 'text': "<b>situation or they'll sit or</b>"}, {'start': '82.466', 'end': '83.333', 'text': "<b>they'll continue on</b>"}, {'start': '83.333', 'end': '85.533', 'text': '<b>saying, this is just too much.</b>'}, {'start': '85.533', 'end': '86.400', 'text': "<b>I can't do it.</b>"}, {'start': '87.033', 'end': '88.533', 'text': "<b>I don't want to be here.</b>"}, {'start': '89.166', 'end': '90.666', 'text': "<b>I don't think I can handle it anymore.</b>"}, {'start': '91.383', 'end': '93.266', 'text': '<b>And then you can go ahead and ask the</b>'}, {'start': '93.266', 'end': '95.616', 'text': '<b>question very straightforward.</b>'}, {'start': '96.566', 'end': '98.083', 'text': '<b>Are you thinking about ending your life?</b>'}, {'start': '99.000', 'end': '100.483', 'text': "<b>You're never going to give somebody the</b>"}, {'start': '100.483', 'end': '102.016', 'text': '<b>idea of committing suicide.</b>'}, {'start': '102.516', 'end': '103.533', 'text': "<b>You're they've already</b>"}, {'start': '103.533', 'end': '104.800', 'text': '<b>been thinking about it.</b>'}, {'start': '105.366', 'end': '108.666', 'text': '<b>And so it just gives you and them the</b>'}, {'start': '108.666', 'end': '110.883', 'text': '<b>opportunity to start that conversation.</b>'}, {'start': '111.466', 'end': '112.566', 'text': '<b>So saying, Hey, are you</b>'}, {'start': '112.566', 'end': '113.716', 'text': '<b>thinking about ending your life?</b>'}, {'start': '114.349', 'end': '115.666', 'text': "<b>They'll say yes or no.</b>"}, {'start': '115.900', 'end': '116.699', 'text': '<b>And then, you know, the</b>'}, {'start': '116.699', 'end': '118.400', 'text': '<b>conversation will evolve from there.</b>'}, {'start': '119.216', 'end': '122.766', 'text': '<b>But at that point is when you offer</b>'}, {'start': '122.766', 'end': '124.633', 'text': '<b>yourself as a source of support.</b>'}, {'start': '125.750', 'end': '127.516', 'text': "<b>It's okay if you don't know what to do.</b>"}, {'start': '128.083', 'end': '129.083', 'text': '<b>You can, is there anyone</b>'}, {'start': '129.083', 'end': '130.500', 'text': '<b>else you can talk to about this?</b>'}, {'start': '130.500', 'end': '131.866', 'text': '<b>Have you felt like this before?</b>'}, {'start': '132.599', 'end': '134.633', 'text': '<b>Um, maybe give them some resources, but</b>'}, {'start': '134.633', 'end': '136.800', 'text': '<b>the biggest thing is to really just be</b>'}, {'start': '137.183', 'end': '140.083', 'text': '<b>that listening ear and offer, Hey, maybe</b>'}, {'start': '140.083', 'end': '142.683', 'text': '<b>you want to talk to the pastor or a</b>'}, {'start': '142.716', 'end': '145.133', 'text': "<b>therapist, there's no shame in it.</b>"}, {'start': '145.800', 'end': '146.000', 'text': '<b>Yeah.</b>'}, {'start': '146.300', 'end': '146.900', 'text': '<b>Great thoughts.</b>'}, {'start': '147.516', 'end': '149.633', 'text': '<b>Um, if I could follow up on a, on a</b>'}, {'start': '149.633', 'end': '152.266', 'text': '<b>thought in there, is it, is it normal</b>'}, {'start': '152.816', 'end': '154.233', 'text': '<b>for people to have</b>'}, {'start': '154.233', 'end': '156.383', 'text': '<b>fleeting thoughts of suicide?</b>'}, {'start': '156.383', 'end': '157.900', 'text': '<b>Is that sort of a normal thing?</b>'}, {'start': '158.166', 'end': '159.216', 'text': '<b>My guess is that it</b>'}, {'start': '159.216', 'end': '161.000', 'text': '<b>is, but am I, am I right?</b>'}, {'start': '161.000', 'end': '161.400', 'text': '<b>Am I wrong?</b>'}, {'start': '162.300', 'end': '164.583', 'text': '<b>Um, I think not everyone experiences</b>'}, {'start': '164.583', 'end': '167.466', 'text': "<b>that, but yes, I would say that it's very</b>"}, {'start': '167.466', 'end': '169.583', 'text': '<b>common for people to think, Oh, if I just</b>'}, {'start': '169.583', 'end': '172.099', 'text': "<b>wasn't here, everything would be so much</b>"}, {'start': '172.199', 'end': '176.433', 'text': '<b>easier where it becomes a concern is when</b>'}, {'start': '176.433', 'end': '178.316', 'text': "<b>they're really starting to think</b>"}, {'start': '178.316', 'end': '180.383', 'text': '<b>about how they would end their life.</b>'}, {'start': '181.699', 'end': '184.183', 'text': "<b>And, um, you know, that's when you want</b>"}, {'start': '184.183', 'end': '186.699', 'text': '<b>to look for those signs and, and really</b>'}, {'start': '187.333', 'end': '189.483', 'text': '<b>be a support and address it straight on.</b>'}, {'start': '190.266', 'end': '192.666', 'text': '<b>So when you are talking to that person</b>'}, {'start': '192.666', 'end': '194.733', 'text': "<b>who has just told you, yeah, I'm, I'm</b>"}, {'start': '194.733', 'end': '196.266', 'text': '<b>actually thinking about this.</b>'}, {'start': '196.266', 'end': '197.783', 'text': "<b>I'm thinking about suicide.</b>"}, {'start': '197.783', 'end': '199.666', 'text': "<b>I've thought about ways to do it.</b>"}, {'start': '200.316', 'end': '201.566', 'text': '<b>Well, how are you addressing them?</b>'}, {'start': '201.599', 'end': '203.133', 'text': '<b>I know you said, Hey, talk, you know, who</b>'}, {'start': '203.133', 'end': '204.133', 'text': '<b>else can you talk to?</b>'}, {'start': '204.133', 'end': '204.866', 'text': '<b>Who have you talked to?</b>'}, {'start': '205.099', 'end': '206.216', 'text': "<b>What are some other things that you're</b>"}, {'start': '206.216', 'end': '207.316', 'text': '<b>saying to them at that point?</b>'}, {'start': '208.066', 'end': '210.366', 'text': "<b>Um, there's the crisis line, suicide</b>"}, {'start': '210.366', 'end': '213.866', 'text': '<b>crisis line where, uh, you, they can call</b>'}, {'start': '213.900', 'end': '216.883', 'text': '<b>nine eight eight and talk to somebody,</b>'}, {'start': '217.216', 'end': '218.866', 'text': "<b>you know, sometimes people don't want to</b>"}, {'start': '218.866', 'end': '220.566', 'text': '<b>talk to anybody that they really know.</b>'}, {'start': '220.916', 'end': '221.166', 'text': '<b>Right.</b>'}, {'start': '221.616', 'end': '224.000', 'text': '<b>Because maybe they have feelings about</b>'}, {'start': '224.000', 'end': '224.933', 'text': '<b>guilt, feelings of</b>'}, {'start': '224.933', 'end': '226.016', 'text': '<b>guilt about it, or they</b>'}, {'start': '226.016', 'end': '226.933', 'text': "<b>don't want to tell them</b>"}, {'start': '226.933', 'end': '228.099', 'text': "<b>exactly how they're feeling.</b>"}, {'start': '228.599', 'end': '230.816', 'text': '<b>So nine eight eight offers a non-biased</b>'}, {'start': '230.816', 'end': '233.883', 'text': '<b>person to talk to, um, another mental</b>'}, {'start': '233.883', 'end': '235.199', 'text': '<b>health professional that can help them</b>'}, {'start': '235.199', 'end': '236.816', 'text': "<b>through what they're struggling with.</b>"}, {'start': '237.366', 'end': '239.183', 'text': '<b>If there is someone, and this does</b>'}, {'start': '239.183', 'end': '241.066', 'text': '<b>happen, if someone is</b>'}, {'start': '241.066', 'end': '242.699', 'text': '<b>adamant about it and they</b>'}, {'start': '242.699', 'end': '244.466', 'text': '<b>have made that decision that they can end</b>'}, {'start': '244.466', 'end': '245.966', 'text': "<b>their life and they know how they're</b>"}, {'start': '245.966', 'end': '248.216', 'text': '<b>going to do it and they leave your</b>'}, {'start': '248.216', 'end': '252.083', 'text': '<b>presence, you can call the police and</b>'}, {'start': '252.083', 'end': '255.516', 'text': '<b>say, Hey, someone I know is, is planning</b>'}, {'start': '255.516', 'end': '256.800', 'text': '<b>on killing themselves.</b>'}, {'start': '257.533', 'end': '258.533', 'text': "<b>Here's where they are.</b>"}, {'start': '259.483', 'end': '261.583', 'text': '<b>And police will ask for more information</b>'}, {'start': '261.583', 'end': '263.116', 'text': '<b>and they will go intervene.</b>'}, {'start': '264.533', 'end': '269.216', 'text': '<b>Um, if it actually comes to fruition and</b>'}, {'start': '269.216', 'end': '271.300', 'text': '<b>someone does end up, uh, ending their</b>'}, {'start': '271.300', 'end': '274.183', 'text': "<b>own life, you've done your due diligence.</b>"}, {'start': '274.183', 'end': '275.183', 'text': "<b>You've done what you could.</b>"}, {'start': '276.216', 'end': '276.583', 'text': '<b>Yeah.</b>'}, {'start': '276.583', 'end': '278.099', 'text': '<b>And we made the point in the earlier</b>'}, {'start': '278.099', 'end': '280.583', 'text': '<b>video that at the end of the day, the</b>'}, {'start': '280.583', 'end': '282.483', 'text': '<b>guilt is on the person who committed the</b>'}, {'start': '282.483', 'end': '284.383', 'text': '<b>act, not on the people who are</b>'}, {'start': '284.666', 'end': '287.566', 'text': "<b>orang them and that's easy to say.</b>"}, {'start': '287.566', 'end': '289.199', 'text': "<b>It's hard to, hard to believe.</b>"}, {'start': '290.083', 'end': '291.833', 'text': '<b>But to know that is, is</b>'}, {'start': '291.833', 'end': '292.666', 'text': '<b>really, really important.</b>'}, {'start': '292.883', 'end': '293.816', 'text': '<b>So thank you for making</b>'}, {'start': '293.816', 'end': '295.733', 'text': '<b>that, uh, making that point.</b>'}, {'start': '296.500', 'end': '300.000', 'text': "<b>Um, what if you've been exposed to a</b>"}, {'start': '300.000', 'end': '302.933', 'text': '<b>suicide family member, friend, coworker,</b>'}, {'start': '302.933', 'end': '305.533', 'text': "<b>something like that, and, and it's got</b>"}, {'start': '305.533', 'end': '308.983', 'text': '<b>you, um, disturbed and frustrated</b>'}, {'start': '308.983', 'end': '310.400', 'text': '<b>and bothered, et cetera.</b>'}, {'start': '310.783', 'end': '313.099', 'text': '<b>What are some practical pieces of advice</b>'}, {'start': '313.099', 'end': '315.366', 'text': '<b>you would give to them in order to move</b>'}, {'start': '315.416', 'end': '315.816', 'text': '<b>forward?</b>'}, {'start': '316.733', 'end': '318.733', 'text': '<b>So I would say, keep talking, you know,</b>'}, {'start': '318.983', 'end': '319.900', 'text': '<b>encourage them to keep talking</b>'}, {'start': '319.900', 'end': '320.716', 'text': '<b>about their feelings.</b>'}, {'start': '321.099', 'end': '322.716', 'text': "<b>It's really important not to hold those</b>"}, {'start': '322.716', 'end': '326.983', 'text': '<b>feelings in, um, writing their feelings</b>'}, {'start': '327.099', 'end': '328.916', 'text': '<b>down, you know, this is especially</b>'}, {'start': '328.916', 'end': '332.599', 'text': '<b>important when, when, um, the suicide</b>'}, {'start': '332.599', 'end': '334.500', 'text': "<b>has just happened when it's still fresh.</b>"}, {'start': '335.033', 'end': '336.133', 'text': '<b>Talk about their feelings.</b>'}, {'start': '336.133', 'end': '337.516', 'text': '<b>What are they struggling with?</b>'}, {'start': '337.900', 'end': '342.016', 'text': '<b>Again, go to someone, another trusted</b>'}, {'start': '342.016', 'end': '343.916', 'text': "<b>person that you can talk to, whether it's</b>"}, {'start': '343.916', 'end': '347.633', 'text': '<b>your pastor or a therapist or again, the</b>'}, {'start': '347.633', 'end': '349.516', 'text': '<b>crisis line is not just for people who</b>'}, {'start': '349.516', 'end': '351.583', 'text': "<b>are thinking about suicide, but it's also</b>"}, {'start': '351.583', 'end': '354.800', 'text': '<b>for people who know others who have, or</b>'}, {'start': '354.800', 'end': '355.916', 'text': '<b>have been exposed to</b>'}, {'start': '355.916', 'end': '358.199', 'text': '<b>someone who has ended their life.</b>'}, {'start': '358.633', 'end': '363.083', 'text': '<b>So, um, just again, you know, being that</b>'}, {'start': '363.083', 'end': '366.199', 'text': '<b>good listening ear and offering those</b>'}, {'start': '366.366', 'end': '367.683', 'text': '<b>resources to somebody.</b>'}, {'start': '368.199', 'end': '370.433', 'text': '<b>So what about the person who says to you,</b>'}, {'start': '370.433', 'end': '372.283', 'text': "<b>I just don't feel comfortable talking</b>"}, {'start': '372.383', 'end': '374.716', 'text': '<b>about these sorts of things to, to</b>'}, {'start': '374.716', 'end': '376.866', 'text': '<b>anyone, or you just get that impression.</b>'}, {'start': '377.599', 'end': '379.016', 'text': '<b>Uh, how do you advise, how do you advise</b>'}, {'start': '379.016', 'end': '381.166', 'text': '<b>them to, uh, to, to deal with that?</b>'}, {'start': '381.166', 'end': '382.283', 'text': '<b>Cause there are just some people just</b>'}, {'start': '382.283', 'end': '384.183', 'text': "<b>say, I don't talk about that stuff.</b>"}, {'start': '384.433', 'end': '385.816', 'text': "<b>And I won't.</b>"}, {'start': '385.816', 'end': '388.266', 'text': '<b>And I will say, okay, I get it.</b>'}, {'start': '388.699', 'end': '390.699', 'text': '<b>These are, this is a tragic thing that</b>'}, {'start': '390.699', 'end': '393.866', 'text': '<b>has happened and it is hard to talk about</b>'}, {'start': '393.933', 'end': '396.466', 'text': '<b>those feelings because we</b>'}, {'start': '396.466', 'end': '397.883', 'text': '<b>have to feel them, right?</b>'}, {'start': '398.216', 'end': '399.599', 'text': "<b>It's, it's a lot, a lot of times it's</b>"}, {'start': '399.599', 'end': '401.033', 'text': '<b>easier just to push them down.</b>'}, {'start': '401.783', 'end': '406.000', 'text': '<b>Um, but doing that for a long period of</b>'}, {'start': '406.000', 'end': '408.316', 'text': '<b>time will actually end up hurting you.</b>'}, {'start': '409.316', 'end': '411.883', 'text': '<b>And so I encourage them, okay, I</b>'}, {'start': '411.883', 'end': '413.916', 'text': "<b>understand that you don't want to talk</b>"}, {'start': '413.916', 'end': '416.383', 'text': '<b>about it, but maybe write about it.</b>'}, {'start': '416.800', 'end': '420.083', 'text': '<b>Um, but not addressing it at all is not</b>'}, {'start': '420.083', 'end': '422.383', 'text': '<b>going to be healthy for anyone.</b>'}, {'start': '423.466', 'end': '425.599', 'text': '<b>And I, if I can add just a pastoral</b>'}, {'start': '425.599', 'end': '427.066', 'text': '<b>thought to it, this is a good</b>'}, {'start': '427.166', 'end': '428.866', 'text': '<b>place to talk to God about it.</b>'}, {'start': '429.133', 'end': '429.333', 'text': '<b>Absolutely.</b>'}, {'start': '429.500', 'end': '430.883', 'text': "<b>If you, if you don't want to talk to any</b>"}, {'start': '430.883', 'end': '432.800', 'text': "<b>other person about it, uh, God's</b>"}, {'start': '432.800', 'end': '434.316', 'text': "<b>got this listening ear that's there all</b>"}, {'start': '434.316', 'end': '435.433', 'text': '<b>the time, all the time.</b>'}, {'start': '435.716', 'end': '436.800', 'text': '<b>And I encourage people</b>'}, {'start': '436.800', 'end': '438.666', 'text': '<b>to go to God, lean on God.</b>'}, {'start': '439.316', 'end': '440.699', 'text': "<b>He is the only one that's going to give</b>"}, {'start': '440.699', 'end': '442.533', 'text': '<b>you the comfort and support that you</b>'}, {'start': '442.533', 'end': '445.333', 'text': "<b>truly need, and he knows he's always</b>"}, {'start': '445.333', 'end': '446.633', 'text': "<b>knows what you're feeling and thinking.</b>"}, {'start': '447.066', 'end': '449.500', 'text': "<b>Even if you don't, you know, sometimes</b>"}, {'start': '449.500', 'end': '450.916', 'text': "<b>you don't even know how to express</b>"}, {'start': '451.066', 'end': '453.083', 'text': '<b>your words to other people, but God knows</b>'}, {'start': '453.083', 'end': '454.900', 'text': "<b>what's in your heart and he can</b>"}, {'start': '455.333', 'end': '457.866', 'text': "<b>hear it, even if you can't say it.</b>"}, {'start': '458.400', 'end': '458.916', 'text': '<b>Great thoughts.</b>'}, {'start': '459.866', 'end': '462.666', 'text': '<b>Um, I got some, uh, post-traumatic stress</b>'}, {'start': '462.666', 'end': '465.083', 'text': '<b>disorder training back some time ago in</b>'}, {'start': '465.083', 'end': '467.533', 'text': '<b>ministry, and one of the things that we</b>'}, {'start': '467.533', 'end': '469.633', 'text': '<b>were encouraged to talk to people about</b>'}, {'start': '469.783', 'end': '472.366', 'text': '<b>after the death of a loved one was make</b>'}, {'start': '472.366', 'end': '474.599', 'text': "<b>sure you're eating well, make sure</b>"}, {'start': '474.599', 'end': '476.300', 'text': "<b>you're doing your best to get a proper</b>"}, {'start': '476.300', 'end': '478.300', 'text': '<b>amount of sleep, be very careful how</b>'}, {'start': '478.333', 'end': '480.183', 'text': "<b>much alcohol you're</b>"}, {'start': '480.183', 'end': '481.533', 'text': '<b>using, et cetera, et cetera.</b>'}, {'start': '482.083', 'end': '483.733', 'text': "<b>I'm assuming those would be good pieces</b>"}, {'start': '483.733', 'end': '485.133', 'text': '<b>of advice for people</b>'}, {'start': '485.133', 'end': '486.316', 'text': '<b>at this situation too.</b>'}, {'start': '486.766', 'end': '486.966', 'text': '<b>Absolutely.</b>'}, {'start': '487.199', 'end': '488.933', 'text': '<b>Take, keep taking care of yourself.</b>'}, {'start': '489.683', 'end': '491.116', 'text': '<b>And then again, for loved ones, if we</b>'}, {'start': '491.116', 'end': '493.133', 'text': '<b>could go back your initial question of,</b>'}, {'start': '493.566', 'end': '496.600', 'text': '<b>of what do you do if someone, um,</b>'}, {'start': '497.233', 'end': '498.033', 'text': '<b>expresses they want</b>'}, {'start': '498.033', 'end': '498.833', 'text': '<b>to end their own life.</b>'}, {'start': '499.366', 'end': '501.500', 'text': '<b>Um, also look for those warning signs of</b>'}, {'start': '501.500', 'end': '503.616', 'text': '<b>people who are isolating and not no</b>'}, {'start': '503.633', 'end': '506.500', 'text': '<b>longer doing things that they normally</b>'}, {'start': '506.500', 'end': '509.000', 'text': '<b>did that were fun or being out and about</b>'}, {'start': '509.000', 'end': '511.300', 'text': '<b>or eating, like just keeping an eye on,</b>'}, {'start': '511.300', 'end': '515.833', 'text': '<b>on people, um, especially when, you</b>'}, {'start': '515.833', 'end': '518.283', 'text': '<b>know, the suicide is still fresh and, and</b>'}, {'start': '518.283', 'end': '520.699', 'text': '<b>new, and that grief is still very strong.</b>'}, {'start': '521.133', 'end': '521.399', 'text': '<b>Yeah.</b>'}, {'start': '521.399', 'end': '523.083', 'text': '<b>That grief is going to be really strong</b>'}, {'start': '523.083', 'end': '524.133', 'text': '<b>in most of those cases.</b>'}, {'start': '524.416', 'end': '524.616', 'text': '<b>Yes.</b>'}, {'start': '524.699', 'end': '529.100', 'text': '<b>Is that absolutely because the normal</b>'}, {'start': '529.100', 'end': '531.533', 'text': '<b>course of life is someone gets</b>'}, {'start': '531.600', 'end': '533.416', 'text': '<b>old and then they die, right?</b>'}, {'start': '533.433', 'end': '536.033', 'text': "<b>That's normal or people get really sick</b>"}, {'start': '536.033', 'end': '538.600', 'text': '<b>and it may be terminal and then they pass</b>'}, {'start': '538.633', 'end': '538.933', 'text': '<b>away.</b>'}, {'start': '539.316', 'end': '541.066', 'text': '<b>You, you, you kind of prepare and plan</b>'}, {'start': '541.066', 'end': '543.233', 'text': '<b>yourself for these things, but a suicide</b>'}, {'start': '543.800', 'end': '546.133', 'text': '<b>is hugely traumatic</b>'}, {'start': '546.133', 'end': '548.199', 'text': '<b>and sometimes unexpected.</b>'}, {'start': '549.166', 'end': '550.916', 'text': '<b>Sometimes people talk about it and</b>'}, {'start': '550.916', 'end': '552.533', 'text': '<b>eventually it happens, but you</b>'}, {'start': '552.533', 'end': '555.216', 'text': "<b>really don't ever plan for it.</b>"}, {'start': '555.566', 'end': '558.133', 'text': '<b>And so that grief is going to be so</b>'}, {'start': '558.133', 'end': '560.866', 'text': "<b>intense and it's super important to</b>"}, {'start': '561.433', 'end': '563.933', 'text': "<b>address it right away as it's happening.</b>"}, {'start': '564.366', 'end': '565.716', 'text': "<b>But also to know it's not going to be</b>"}, {'start': '565.716', 'end': '568.000', 'text': '<b>like a microwave oven fix, right?</b>'}, {'start': '568.000', 'end': '569.883', 'text': "<b>It's going to take some time and that if</b>"}, {'start': '569.883', 'end': '574.083', 'text': '<b>people are feeling sadness, sorrow, even</b>'}, {'start': '574.166', 'end': '577.216', 'text': "<b>depressing kind of thoughts that that's</b>"}, {'start': '577.216', 'end': '579.833', 'text': '<b>fairly normal, I could not think that</b>'}, {'start': '579.833', 'end': '581.916', 'text': "<b>they're like losing it.</b>"}, {'start': '581.916', 'end': '582.116', 'text': '<b>Right.</b>'}, {'start': '582.583', 'end': '585.933', 'text': '<b>And also important to know that grief,</b>'}, {'start': '586.883', 'end': '588.983', 'text': "<b>although it's, it's not, it doesn't</b>"}, {'start': '589.033', 'end': '590.216', 'text': '<b>maintain its intensity.</b>'}, {'start': '590.783', 'end': '592.199', 'text': '<b>It can creep up on you at</b>'}, {'start': '592.199', 'end': '593.833', 'text': '<b>times when you least expect it.</b>'}, {'start': '593.833', 'end': '594.916', 'text': '<b>And that is also normal.</b>'}, {'start': '595.199', 'end': '596.100', 'text': '<b>Yeah, that is so true.</b>'}, {'start': '596.433', 'end': '599.716', 'text': '<b>Years down the road, a smell, a sound, a</b>'}, {'start': '599.716', 'end': '601.633', 'text': '<b>something someone says, a song, whatever,</b>'}, {'start': '602.066', 'end': '603.399', 'text': '<b>it can hit you and the</b>'}, {'start': '603.399', 'end': '604.633', 'text': '<b>grief will come back.</b>'}, {'start': '605.316', 'end': '605.983', 'text': '<b>So normal.</b>'}, {'start': '606.383', 'end': '606.466', 'text': '<b>Yeah.</b>'}, {'start': '606.466', 'end': '607.516', 'text': "<b>There's nothing wrong with you.</b>"}, {'start': '608.016', 'end': '608.216', 'text': '<b>Yeah.</b>'}, {'start': '608.383', 'end': '609.733', 'text': "<b>So that's a 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come out in bits and pieces</b>'}, {'start': '627.916', 'end': '628.383', 'text': '<b>often.</b>'}, {'start': '628.383', 'end': '630.016', 'text': "<b>I don't know if it's always, but often he</b>"}, {'start': '630.016', 'end': '631.666', 'text': '<b>allows it to come out in little bits and</b>'}, {'start': '631.699', 'end': '633.833', 'text': "<b>pieces so that it doesn't overwhelm us.</b>"}, {'start': '634.133', 'end': '634.333', 'text': '<b>Right.</b>'}, {'start': '634.533', 'end': '636.516', 'text': '<b>If it came out all at once, that it might</b>'}, {'start': '636.516', 'end': '638.233', 'text': '<b>be over, over well big.</b>'}, {'start': '638.600', 'end': '639.899', 'text': "<b>And it's physically necessary.</b>"}, {'start': '640.116', 'end': '640.383', 'text': '<b>Yeah.</b>'}, {'start': '640.816', 'end': '641.016', 'text': '<b>Yeah.</b>'}, {'start': '641.183', 'end': '642.233', 'text': '<b>Jesus himself went to the</b>'}, {'start': '642.233', 'end': '643.733', 'text': '<b>grave site of Lazarus and cried.</b>'}, {'start': '643.916', 'end': '644.083', 'text': '<b>Right.</b>'}, {'start': '644.316', 'end': '645.333', 'text': "<b>So it's okay for us to</b>"}, {'start': '645.333', 'end': '647.066', 'text': '<b>cry our tears too, for sure.</b>'}, {'start': '647.100', 'end': '649.233', 'text': '<b>Which is another normal, another thing to</b>'}, {'start': '649.233', 'end': '651.266', 'text': '<b>remember too, that when, if you feel like</b>'}, {'start': '651.266', 'end': '653.083', 'text': "<b>you don't have anyone to talk to that God</b>"}, {'start': '653.083', 'end': '655.633', 'text': '<b>also knows, like the experience has been</b>'}, {'start': '655.683', 'end': '657.466', 'text': '<b>had anywhere that we</b>'}, {'start': '657.466', 'end': '658.883', 'text': "<b>step, God's already been.</b>"}, {'start': '659.916', 'end': '660.033', 'text': '<b>So.</b>'}, {'start': '660.033', 'end': '660.733', 'text': "<b>That's a great point.</b>"}, {'start': '661.483', 'end': '661.683', 'text': '<b>Yep.</b>'}, {'start': '661.716', 'end': '663.466', 'text': '<b>Who was made like his brothers in every</b>'}, {'start': '663.466', 'end': '666.166', 'text': '<b>way and understands our, our life and our</b>'}, {'start': '666.166', 'end': '666.683', 'text': '<b>experiences.</b>'}, {'start': '667.083', 'end': '667.300', 'text': '<b>Excellent.</b>'}, {'start': '667.616', 'end': '668.116', 'text': '<b>Excellent point.</b>'}, {'start': '669.066', 'end': '672.233', 'text': "<b>Um, if you're going to try to help a</b>"}, {'start': '672.233', 'end': '673.033', 'text': "<b>family who's</b>"}, {'start': '673.033', 'end': '675.133', 'text': '<b>experienced the suicide, what</b>'}, {'start': '675.183', 'end': '676.300', 'text': '<b>are some things that you</b>'}, {'start': '676.300', 'end': '678.333', 'text': '<b>could, uh, do for them?</b>'}, {'start': '678.333', 'end': '679.666', 'text': '<b>What are some things you could say to</b>'}, {'start': '679.666', 'end': '682.466', 'text': '<b>them on a practical basis that, uh, that</b>'}, {'start': '682.466', 'end': '684.399', 'text': '<b>could help again, being that</b>'}, {'start': '684.399', 'end': '686.266', 'text': '<b>nonjudgmental listening ear.</b>'}, {'start': '687.000', 'end': '690.383', 'text': "<b>Um, we're human and sometimes, you know,</b>"}, {'start': '690.383', 'end': '692.699', 'text': '<b>we might be angry or they might be angry</b>'}, {'start': '692.699', 'end': '695.383', 'text': "<b>and it's easy to, to feed into that and,</b>"}, {'start': '695.383', 'end': '699.583', 'text': '<b>and to get stuck in that, but being a,</b>'}, {'start': '699.683', 'end': '702.199', 'text': '<b>an, a nonjudgmental listening ear,</b>'}, {'start': '702.199', 'end': '704.600', 'text': '<b>reflecting what you see or hear.</b>'}, {'start': '704.800', 'end': '708.833', 'text': '<b>So saying things like, wow, this scene,</b>'}, {'start': '708.833', 'end': '710.216', 'text': '<b>while you were really struggling right</b>'}, {'start': '710.233', 'end': '711.916', 'text': "<b>now, I can see you're really struggling.</b>"}, {'start': '712.866', 'end': '714.199', 'text': '<b>Um, you know, how are</b>'}, {'start': '714.199', 'end': '715.583', 'text': '<b>you feeling about this?</b>'}, {'start': '715.583', 'end': '717.116', 'text': '<b>What have you been thinking about since,</b>'}, {'start': '717.816', 'end': '718.766', 'text': '<b>since this happened?</b>'}, {'start': '719.516', 'end': '725.216', 'text': '<b>Um, and also, you know, and also giving</b>'}, {'start': '725.216', 'end': '725.966', 'text': '<b>them the opportunity</b>'}, {'start': '725.966', 'end': '727.583', 'text': '<b>to remember the person.</b>'}, {'start': '728.116', 'end': '728.933', 'text': '<b>What are some good memories</b>'}, {'start': '728.933', 'end': '730.316', 'text': '<b>that you have of this person?</b>'}, {'start': '730.649', 'end': '732.616', 'text': '<b>Because another thing, another thing that</b>'}, {'start': '732.616', 'end': '734.033', 'text': '<b>I do too, with people who are</b>'}, {'start': '734.033', 'end': '736.066', 'text': "<b>experiencing grief, whether it's through</b>"}, {'start': '736.066', 'end': '739.833', 'text': '<b>suicide or a natural death is, um,</b>'}, {'start': '740.233', 'end': '742.466', 'text': '<b>helping them remember that person because</b>'}, {'start': '742.466', 'end': '745.983', 'text': "<b>it's good to talk about them in, in good</b>"}, {'start': '745.983', 'end': '748.516', 'text': '<b>and fun and, and loving ways.</b>'}, {'start': '749.199', 'end': '751.233', 'text': '<b>Um, so helping them to do that too, just</b>'}, {'start': '751.233', 'end': '753.300', 'text': '<b>asking, well, what are some good things</b>'}, {'start': '753.300', 'end': '754.699', 'text': '<b>that you remember about that person?</b>'}, {'start': '755.300', 'end': '755.699', 'text': '<b>Great thoughts.</b>'}, {'start': '755.716', 'end': '758.733', 'text': '<b>And I love the, the, the positive, um,</b>'}, {'start': '759.300', 'end': '761.766', 'text': '<b>approach that you just gave to talk to me</b>'}, {'start': '761.766', 'end': '763.283', 'text': '<b>about some of the fun memories, talk to</b>'}, {'start': '763.283', 'end': '764.733', 'text': '<b>me about some of the things you cherish</b>'}, {'start': '765.199', 'end': '767.100', 'text': '<b>because that, that helps, I think in the,</b>'}, {'start': '767.100', 'end': '769.883', 'text': '<b>the, the healing process for sure.</b>'}, {'start': '770.383', 'end': '770.883', 'text': '<b>So good.</b>'}, {'start': '771.283', 'end': '773.300', 'text': '<b>Is there any last words that, that you</b>'}, {'start': '773.300', 'end': '775.466', 'text': '<b>would like to share with people?</b>'}, {'start': '775.466', 'end': '775.666', 'text': '<b>Sure.</b>'}, {'start': '776.433', 'end': '780.600', 'text': '<b>In, in the case of suicide, it is natural</b>'}, {'start': '780.600', 'end': '783.533', 'text': '<b>for us to kind of retreat and not want to</b>'}, {'start': '783.583', 'end': '784.416', 'text': '<b>talk about it because</b>'}, {'start': '784.416', 'end': '785.966', 'text': "<b>it's such a hard subject.</b>"}, {'start': '786.899', 'end': '792.416', 'text': '<b>Um, but I encourage anyone who, if</b>'}, {'start': '792.416', 'end': '793.716', 'text': '<b>someone comes to you and</b>'}, {'start': '793.716', 'end': '794.833', 'text': '<b>wants to talk about it,</b>'}, {'start': '795.316', 'end': '796.716', 'text': '<b>just have the conversation.</b>'}, {'start': '797.716', 'end': '800.666', 'text': "<b>Don't be, don't shy away from saying the</b>"}, {'start': '800.666', 'end': '802.733', 'text': '<b>word suicide or saying the words ending</b>'}, {'start': '802.833', 'end': '803.883', 'text': '<b>your life or asking</b>'}, {'start': '803.883', 'end': '805.016', 'text': '<b>questions around that.</b>'}, {'start': '805.083', 'end': '807.433', 'text': "<b>Because like I said before, they've</b>"}, {'start': '807.433', 'end': '808.583', 'text': '<b>already thought about it.</b>'}, {'start': '808.583', 'end': '809.283', 'text': "<b>You're not going to help</b>"}, {'start': '809.283', 'end': '810.300', 'text': '<b>them make that decision.</b>'}, {'start': '811.333', 'end': '814.699', 'text': '<b>Um, but also just, we</b>'}, {'start': '814.699', 'end': '815.966', 'text': "<b>don't always know, right?</b>"}, {'start': '815.966', 'end': '817.066', 'text': "<b>We don't always know if we've never</b>"}, {'start': '817.066', 'end': '818.000', 'text': '<b>experienced something</b>'}, {'start': '818.000', 'end': '819.100', 'text': "<b>or we're not trained</b>"}, {'start': '819.100', 'end': '821.116', 'text': '<b>in dealing with something like this.</b>'}, {'start': '821.116', 'end': '823.533', 'text': "<b>You don't have to be perfect in it.</b>"}, {'start': '823.616', 'end': '824.800', 'text': "<b>Um, because that's</b>"}, {'start': '824.800', 'end': '825.866', 'text': '<b>where that guilt comes from.</b>'}, {'start': '825.866', 'end': '828.199', 'text': '<b>If I had only said this or done this or,</b>'}, {'start': '828.199', 'end': '831.466', 'text': '<b>or been better at this, you just be a</b>'}, {'start': '831.466', 'end': '833.666', 'text': '<b>listening ear and supportive.</b>'}, {'start': '834.566', 'end': '837.333', 'text': "<b>And if you don't know, you don't know.</b>"}, {'start': '837.533', 'end': '838.483', 'text': '<b>So point them in the</b>'}, {'start': '838.483', 'end': '839.783', 'text': '<b>direction of people who do.</b>'}, {'start': '840.266', 'end': '840.416', 'text': '<b>Yeah.</b>'}, {'start': '840.733', 'end': '843.883', 'text': '<b>God, a therapist, a pastor, you know,</b>'}, {'start': '844.183', 'end': '846.216', 'text': '<b>someone who can, is better equipped.</b>'}, {'start': '846.699', 'end': '846.899', 'text': '<b>Yeah.</b>'}, {'start': '847.066', 'end': '847.383', 'text': '<b>Well said.</b>'}, {'start': '848.216', 'end': '848.616', 'text': '<b>Well said.</b>'}, {'start': '849.183', 'end': '849.383', 'text': '<b>Yeah.</b>'}, {'start': '849.483', 'end': '850.216', 'text': '<b>Oh, just one more thing.</b>'}, {'start': '850.216', 'end': '850.533', 'text': '<b>Go ahead.</b>'}, {'start': '851.183', 'end': '853.833', 'text': '<b>And if you are someone who is thinking</b>'}, {'start': '853.833', 'end': '857.183', 'text': '<b>about committing suicide, know that,</b>'}, {'start': '857.933', 'end': '859.633', 'text': '<b>that God has you here for a purpose.</b>'}, {'start': '860.783', 'end': '864.666', 'text': "<b>And taking this struggle that you're</b>"}, {'start': '864.666', 'end': '867.266', 'text': '<b>experiencing now into your own hands is,</b>'}, {'start': '867.483', 'end': '869.966', 'text': "<b>is taking God's power away from him.</b>"}, {'start': '870.583', 'end': '871.699', 'text': "<b>And that's not our place.</b>"}, {'start': '872.033', 'end': '872.216', 'text': '<b>Yeah.</b>'}, {'start': '872.216', 'end': '872.433', 'text': '<b>Amen.</b>'}, {'start': '872.833', 'end': '874.883', 'text': "<b>And you also don't know what's going to</b>"}, {'start': '874.883', 'end': '877.766', 'text': '<b>happen next week, next month, next year.</b>'}, {'start': '878.033', 'end': '879.966', 'text': '<b>And now God can use you in just</b>'}, {'start': '879.966', 'end': '881.966', 'text': '<b>wonderful, very, very cool ways.</b>'}, {'start': '882.616', 'end': '883.433', 'text': '<b>So great thoughts.</b>'}, {'start': '883.433', 'end': '884.166', 'text': '<b>Well, thank you so much</b>'}, {'start': '884.166', 'end': '885.566', 'text': '<b>for joining us today, Amy.</b>'}, {'start': '885.933', 'end': '886.983', 'text': '<b>Uh, we pray that the</b>'}, {'start': '886.983', 'end': '888.816', 'text': '<b>video is a blessing for you.</b>'}, {'start': '889.233', 'end': '891.800', 'text': '<b>Um, if you have questions or comments,</b>'}, {'start': '891.800', 'end': '894.199', 'text': '<b>please feel free to reach out to myself</b>'}, {'start': '894.633', 'end': '896.483', 'text': '<b>or to reach out to Mrs.</b>'}, {'start': '896.666', 'end': '898.116', 'text': '<b>Glisper, um, if you</b>'}, {'start': '898.116', 'end': '899.333', 'text': '<b>have questions for Mrs.</b>'}, {'start': '899.333', 'end': '900.766', 'text': '<b>Glisper, I can pass them along.</b>'}, {'start': '900.766', 'end': '902.500', 'text': '<b>Otherwise her email address can be found</b>'}, {'start': '902.500', 'end': '904.766', 'text': '<b>on our school website as well.</b>'}]