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[{'start': '5.380', 'end': '9.820', 'text': 'Good morning and welcome back to Chronicles from the Liberal Front.'}, {'start': '10.500', 'end': '12.880', 'text': "Luckily, both Carlo's are with me today"}, {'start': '12.880', 'end': '15.100', 'text': "and so I'm very"}, {'start': '15.100', 'end': '17.100', 'text': 'happy to say goodbye to them because Carlo Amenta showed'}, {'start': '17.100', 'end': '20.820', 'text': 'up again for an episode, I\nhad to cut my'}, {'start': '20.820', 'end': '23.120', 'text': 'hair, I had to cut my hair, I wasted'}, {'start': '23.120', 'end': '23.700', 'text': 'a bit of time.'}, {'start': '23.880', 'end': '26.160', 'text': 'You can see the effect.'}, {'start': '26.640', 'end': '30.040', 'text': 'Vincent Onofrio and I have the same'}, {'start': '30.040', 'end': '30.660', 'text': 'hairstyle.'}, {'start': '31.460', 'end': '32.860', 'text': 'They cut them very well for you.'}, {'start': '32.860', 'end': '33.940', 'text': 'Thank you, thank you.'}, {'start': '35.600', 'end': '39.680', 'text': "I confess that today I wanted to bring, I didn't"}, {'start': '39.680', 'end': '45.000', 'text': 'warn my podcast companions about the topic'}, {'start': '45.000', 'end': '48.160', 'text': 'I wanted to cover, because I wanted to play a'}, {'start': '48.860', 'end': '49.640', 'text': 'joke on them.'}, {'start': '50.220', 'end': '56.320', 'text': 'As anticlerical and priest-eaters as I am, I'}, {'start': '56.740', 'end': '62.040', 'text': 'wanted to talk about the national mourning that has struck'}, {'start': '62.040', 'end': '65.920', 'text': 'Italy for the death of the Pontiff with'}, {'start': '65.920', 'end': '68.480', 'text': 'an article that I later discovered was the'}, {'start': '68.480', 'end': '71.640', 'text': 'same article that both Carlo Stagnaro'}, {'start': '71.640', 'end': '72.560', 'text': 'and Carla Amenta wanted to bring.'}, {'start': '73.380', 'end': '76.140', 'text': 'No, but calm down, I wanted to bring it, Carlo'}, {'start': '76.140', 'end': '77.640', 'text': 'Amenta heard about it.'}, {'start': '77.740', 'end': '79.920', 'text': 'No, I wanted to report it to him because they'}, {'start': '79.920', 'end': '81.460', 'text': 'told me that there was this article and I'}, {'start': '81.460', 'end': '82.320', 'text': 'wanted to report it to him.'}, {'start': '84.080', 'end': '86.540', 'text': 'Because Amenta actually wants to keep'}, {'start': '86.540', 'end': '89.580', 'text': 'his clerical connections happy.'}, {'start': '89.780', 'end': '92.640', 'text': 'With the Vatican, they can always be useful,\ndear Stagnaro, you'}, {'start': '92.740', 'end': '93.440', 'text': 'know how it is.'}, {'start': '95.660', 'end': '100.120', 'text': 'As demonstrated exactly as also demonstrated by the'}, {'start': '100.120', 'end': '106.900', 'text': 'management of the funeral of the Pontiff and the importance\nof the Holy Father'}, {'start': '106.900', 'end': '110.500', 'text': "that the\nHoly Father had, now let's talk about it,"}, {'start': '110.860', 'end': '113.000', 'text': 'and the importance that Italy'}, {'start': '113.000', 'end': '115.780', 'text': 'and Rome had on the occasion of an event'}, {'start': '115.780', 'end': '118.920', 'text': 'that concerns the Church and Vatican City,'}, {'start': '119.080', 'end': '121.240', 'text': 'therefore a non-Italian event, but as it were,'}, {'start': '121.380', 'end': '125.720', 'text': 'Rome was remembered and praised not for'}, {'start': '126.420', 'end': '128.479', 'text': "republican merits, let's put it that way."}, {'start': '129.240', 'end': '133.320', 'text': "So, anyway, I'm also pleased, in short, that"}, {'start': '133.320', 'end': '136.960', 'text': 'all three of us had the same curiosity'}, {'start': '137.480', 'end': '140.180', 'text': 'about this article, given that the authors are'}, {'start': '140.180', 'end': '145.800', 'text': 'also two friends, or at least my work colleagues,'}, {'start': '145.920', 'end': '148.340', 'text': 'Giovanni Piccirilli and Pietro Faraguna, who wrote'}, {'start': '148.340', 'end': '152.700', 'text': 'for Costituzione Info an article that'}, {'start': '152.700', 'end': '158.360', 'text': 'examines, retraces, the anomalies that were recorded'}, {'start': '158.360', 'end': '161.940', 'text': 'in the republican reactions to the death of the Pope, in'}, {'start': '161.940', 'end': '166.600', 'text': 'particular those of the government, but also of Parliament.'}, {'start': '167.180', 'end': '172.600', 'text': 'Basically the article retraces, makes a comparison with'}, {'start': '172.600', 'end': '180.700', 'text': 'the previous ones, with the previous deaths of the Popes, especially'}, {'start': '180.700', 'end': '183.940', 'text': "the most recent ones, let's say those from the Republican era"}, {'start': '183.940', 'end': '189.280', 'text': 'onwards, to say that never as with'}, {'start': '189.280', 'end': '193.200', 'text': 'the death of Pope Francis have the government and'}, {'start': '193.200', 'end': '196.060', 'text': 'Parliament shown so much mourning, to the'}, {'start': '196.060', 'end': '201.600', 'text': 'point of declaring five days of national mourning,'}, {'start': '202.700', 'end': '208.460', 'text': 'to the point of convening, albeit in an irregular manner,'}, {'start': '208.540', 'end': '211.240', 'text': 'that is, not formal, the parliamentarians in an'}, {'start': '211.240', 'end': '215.580', 'text': 'extraordinary session to commemorate the Pontiff, and therefore these'}, {'start': '215.580', 'end': '220.320', 'text': 'anomalies lead, which I repeat are of the government and'}, {'start': '220.320', 'end': '225.840', 'text': 'Parliament, not of the other bodies, they for example'}, {'start': '227.360', 'end': '230.520', 'text': 'recall that the Presidency of the Republic and the'}, {'start': '230.520', 'end': '233.580', 'text': 'Constitutional Court have followed the practice that had been'}, {'start': '233.580', 'end': '235.820', 'text': 'followed on recent occasions.'}, {'start': '236.620', 'end': '241.880', 'text': 'So this emphasis on the death of the Pontiff and'}, {'start': '241.880', 'end': '245.100', 'text': 'on the mourning for Pope Francis leads them to'}, {'start': '245.100', 'end': '250.380', 'text': 'conclude that perhaps there is an argument, a'}, {'start': '250.380', 'end': '253.240', 'text': 'theme of the secularity of the State that in this'}, {'start': '253.240', 'end': '259.980', 'text': 'case has been compromised - a big word - but has'}, {'start': '259.980', 'end': '263.540', 'text': 'been disregarded to the point that the'}, {'start': '263.540', 'end': '266.040', 'text': 'Legislative Decree, also this in a not'}, {'start': '266.040', 'end': '269.300', 'text': 'entirely ritual manner, the Legislative Decree that regulated'}, {'start': '271.280', 'end': '275.180', 'text': "the conduct, the management of the Pontiff's funeral,"}, {'start': '275.560', 'end': '279.700', 'text': 'calls the Pontiff, precisely as Carlo anticipated, the'}, {'start': '279.700', 'end': '283.100', 'text': 'Holy Father, which is an expression that is clearly not'}, {'start': '283.100', 'end': '287.020', 'text': 'secular, clearly not secular, clearly religious.'}, {'start': '287.760', 'end': '293.160', 'text': 'They believe that it is due to a lack of'}, {'start': '293.160', 'end': '299.000', 'text': 'secularism, a lack of secularization, a'}, {'start': '299.000', 'end': '299.660', 'text': 'lack of secularism.'}, {'start': '300.900', 'end': '305.680', 'text': 'I have another possible explanation.'}, {'start': '306.060', 'end': '308.420', 'text': 'There is certainly also this, especially with'}, {'start': '308.420', 'end': '314.620', 'text': 'regard to the government and some expressions or some'}, {'start': '314.620', 'end': '318.800', 'text': 'parliamentarians in particular who belong to the'}, {'start': '318.800', 'end': '328.140', 'text': 'majority parties, but I also believe that this emphasis'}, {'start': '328.140', 'end': '334.940', 'text': 'depends on the very profile of the deceased Pontiff and'}, {'start': '334.940', 'end': '339.900', 'text': 'that is the fact that the Pontiff has also'}, {'start': '339.900', 'end': '346.840', 'text': 'remained the figure of the Pontiff, deliberately, one might'}, {'start': '346.840', 'end': '350.040', 'text': 'say, a little adapted to the fashion of the'}, {'start': '350.040', 'end': '353.780', 'text': 'influencers of the moment and beyond'}, {'start': '353.780', 'end': '360.240', 'text': 'his nature as spiritual and institutional leader of the'}, {'start': '360.240', 'end': '366.160', 'text': "Catholic Church, he had become a media figure, let's say,"}, {'start': '366.160', 'end': '370.440', 'text': 'to the point where, as the authors'}, {'start': '370.440', 'end': '373.120', 'text': 'of the article themselves recall, this mourning was not'}, {'start': '373.120', 'end': '376.460', 'text': 'only an institutional, institutionalized mourning but it was'}, {'start': '376.460', 'end': '383.880', 'text': 'a mourning also perceived by associations, the third sector,'}, {'start': '383.880', 'end': '387.220', 'text': 'beyond ordinary citizens, faithful and'}, {'start': '387.220', 'end': '388.660', 'text': 'non-faithful, so in my opinion there is also'}, {'start': '388.660', 'end': '393.440', 'text': 'this aspect of a figure who, like all'}, {'start': '393.440', 'end': '401.000', 'text': 'contemporary leadership figures, has become so'}, {'start': '401.000', 'end': '409.040', 'text': 'much of an influencer that he has remained susceptible to'}, {'start': '409.040', 'end': '416.900', 'text': 'forms of identification with the mourning so strong. Let me'}, {'start': '416.900', 'end': '420.460', 'text': 'make two quick comments, one linking to the last'}, {'start': '420.460', 'end': '424.120', 'text': 'things you were saying, it is true that Pope Francis'}, {'start': '424.120', 'end': '427.760', 'text': 'was an extremely media figure in this'}, {'start': '427.760', 'end': '431.320', 'text': 'sense, perhaps comparable to John Paul II, although,'}, {'start': '431.480', 'end': '434.860', 'text': 'now this is  of course a debatable assessment like'}, {'start': '434.860', 'end': '436.900', 'text': 'all assessments but although it cannot be'}, {'start': '436.900', 'end': '440.100', 'text': 'said that the mark he left on'}, {'start': '440.100', 'end': '442.540', 'text': 'history, also because the historical phase was completely'}, {'start': '442.540', 'end': '447.660', 'text': 'different is comparable, however undoubtedly he was a'}, {'start': '447.660', 'end': '454.040', 'text': 'pontiff extremely present in the media extremely strong in'}, {'start': '454.040', 'end': '459.620', 'text': 'his positions and therefore extremely divisive so much so that he'}, {'start': '459.620', 'end': '462.840', 'text': "often ventured let's say far"}, {'start': '462.840', 'end': '467.280', 'text': 'beyond the theological terrain and took positions'}, {'start': '467.280', 'end': '473.320', 'text': "let's say debatable last week a"}, {'start': '473.320', 'end': '475.940', 'text': 'long article by Alberto Lungardi came out in the Foglio which'}, {'start': '475.940', 'end': '479.580', 'text': 'discussed in particular globalization and showed how it'}, {'start': '480.740', 'end': '485.620', 'text': 'was or has been quite singular that a'}, {'start': '485.620', 'end': '489.820', 'text': 'Pope so attentive to the fate of the poor did not'}, {'start': '489.820', 'end': '491.980', 'text': 'realize that globalization'}, {'start': '491.980', 'end': '494.620', 'text': 'was the phenomenon that instead had determined'}, {'start': '494.920', 'end': '497.760', 'text': 'the greatest mass phenomenon of escape'}, {'start': '497.760', 'end': '502.060', 'text': 'from poverty in the history of humanity so this is'}, {'start': '502.060', 'end': '505.100', 'text': 'as far as the merit of the realities of'}, {'start': '505.100', 'end': '506.080', 'text': 'Pope Francis is concerned.'}, {'start': '506.580', 'end': '509.080', 'text': 'The other aspect is instead linked to the article you'}, {'start': '509.080', 'end': '512.280', 'text': 'cited that I also found interesting'}, {'start': '514.220', 'end': '519.880', 'text': 'essentially because it highlighted an issue that at least I'}, {'start': '519.880', 'end': '524.760', 'text': 'had not seen in such a systematic way I think'}, {'start': '524.760', 'end': '527.460', 'text': 'like everyone I was surprised by the five days'}, {'start': '528.080', 'end': '531.980', 'text': 'of national mourning that then became more'}, {'start': '531.980', 'end': '536.780', 'text': 'symbolic than concrete, but actually lining up'}, {'start': '536.780', 'end': '540.100', 'text': 'the elements that line up the authors'}, {'start': '540.100', 'end': '542.660', 'text': 'you have an image, you have a'}, {'start': '542.660', 'end': '547.800', 'text': 'slightly different sensation especially since'}, {'start': '547.800', 'end': '554.800', 'text': 'beyond the obvious institutional respect and the'}, {'start': '554.800', 'end': '557.920', 'text': 'personal relationship that perhaps there was between Francis'}, {'start': '557.920', 'end': '561.040', 'text': 'and Giorgia Meloni or other exponents of the current'}, {'start': '561.040', 'end': '564.860', 'text': "government of the current majority, Francis's"}, {'start': '564.860', 'end': '568.720', 'text': 'pontificate has certainly not been one that can be'}, {'start': '568.720', 'end': '572.380', 'text': 'classified as conservative, even if on some issues'}, {'start': '572.380', 'end': '578.000', 'text': 'I think of issues related to abortion etc., Francis'}, {'start': '578.000', 'end': '580.980', 'text': 'has expressed a very conservative line.'}, {'start': '581.540', 'end': '583.420', 'text': 'There is, however, a theme that I wanted, an'}, {'start': '583.420', 'end': '587.700', 'text': 'aspect of the article that I wanted to raise and on'}, {'start': '587.700', 'end': '591.340', 'text': 'which I believe they are right from a formal point of'}, {'start': '591.340', 'end': '593.500', 'text': 'view but do not convince me from a'}, {'start': '593.500', 'end': '596.540', 'text': 'substantial point of view and it is their use'}, {'start': '596.540', 'end': '600.060', 'text': 'of the term secularism, secular state, etc.  It'}, {'start': '600.420', 'end': '602.020', 'text': 'is true that from the point of view, if'}, {'start': '602.020', 'end': '607.980', 'text': 'one looks up secular or laïcité in the dictionary one finds'}, {'start': '607.980', 'end': '613.200', 'text': 'that this term indicates the indifference of the State with'}, {'start': '613.200', 'end': '615.920', 'text': 'respect to religious questions but then in reality'}, {'start': '615.920', 'end': '619.800', 'text': 'often in the concrete debate those who wave the flag'}, {'start': '619.800', 'end': '623.820', 'text': 'of secularism do not ask for an indifference of the State with'}, {'start': '623.820', 'end': '627.500', 'text': 'respect to religious questions but for something'}, {'start': '627.500', 'end': '629.460', 'text': 'very similar to a position taken by'}, {'start': '629.460', 'end': '631.720', 'text': 'the State against the various religious confessions.'}, {'start': '632.400', 'end': '633.980', 'text': 'In this sense I like better'}, {'start': '633.980', 'end': '637.640', 'text': 'the expression that is normally used in'}, {'start': '637.640', 'end': '641.560', 'text': 'Anglo-Saxon countries of separation between Church and State which'}, {'start': '641.560', 'end': '646.240', 'text': 'makes it better understood as if to say that questions'}, {'start': '646.240', 'end': '649.520', 'text': "of faith are not the State's business and"}, {'start': '649.520', 'end': '652.120', 'text': 'questions of State are not the'}, {'start': '652.120', 'end': '653.680', 'text': "Churches' business, not in the sense that the Churches"}, {'start': '653.680', 'end': '658.640', 'text': 'should not or the Catholic,'}, {'start': '658.640', 'end': '661.380', 'text': 'Muslim, Jewish ecclesiastical hierarchies, whatever you want, should not'}, {'start': '661.380', 'end': '664.160', 'text': 'obviously be interested in political questions, should not give'}, {'start': '664.160', 'end': '667.540', 'text': 'indications to their respective faithful but in the sense'}, {'start': '667.540', 'end': '670.520', 'text': 'that they should not, must not have'}, {'start': '670.520', 'end': '675.640', 'text': 'preferential access, preferential listening by the institutions'}, {'start': '675.640', 'end': '679.760', 'text': 'and objectively there was, in this'}, {'start': '679.760', 'end': '686.600', 'text': 'Piccirilli and his co-author are completely right, there was'}, {'start': '686.600', 'end': '692.480', 'text': 'a particularly strong feeling in this'}, {'start': '692.480', 'end': '697.500', 'text': "affair in the aftermath of Francis's death that"}, {'start': '697.500', 'end': '703.720', 'text': 'instead there was a different attitude'}, {'start': '703.720', 'end': '705.960', 'text': 'compared to what there would have been in'}, {'start': '705.960', 'end': '711.520', 'text': 'other circumstances, banally figures, and they remember it'}, {'start': '711.520', 'end': '717.880', 'text': 'as equally relevant as John Paul II and as'}, {'start': '717.880', 'end': '720.660', 'text': 'Pope Ratzinger, who even when he died'}, {'start': '720.660', 'end': '722.160', 'text': 'was no longer Pope so in'}, {'start': '722.160', 'end': '726.100', 'text': 'that case there was a separation  between the time of the'}, {'start': '726.100', 'end': '729.540', 'text': 'end of the papacy and the time of the disappearance'}, {'start': '729.540', 'end': '733.420', 'text': 'of the man or the former President of the Republic'}, {'start': '733.420', 'end': '736.160', 'text': 'Giorgio Napolitano to cite a much more'}, {'start': '736.160', 'end': '739.620', 'text': 'controversial case, the disappearance of Silvio Berlusconi, have'}, {'start': '739.620', 'end': '744.540', 'text': 'all seen a form of institutional participation in the mourning'}, {'start': '744.540', 'end': '747.500', 'text': 'but never in these terms with these deductions.'}, {'start': '747.760', 'end': '752.320', 'text': 'I do not believe that as someone has suggested'}, {'start': '752.320', 'end': '755.540', 'text': 'the reasons should be sought in the attempt to make'}, {'start': '755.540', 'end': '759.280', 'text': 'the switch to April 25th if that had'}, {'start': '759.280', 'end': '762.300', 'text': 'been the intention we did not succeed and'}, {'start': '762.300', 'end': '766.320', 'text': 'indeed with this thing a bit of the invitation'}, {'start': '766.320', 'end': '770.000', 'text': 'to sobriety we have perhaps obtained the'}, {'start': '770.000', 'end': '773.380', 'text': 'opposite result among other things exactly as the State'}, {'start': '773.380', 'end': '776.340', 'text': 'must be confessional, the State must also not'}, {'start': '776.340', 'end': '778.640', 'text': 'interfere in what happens in the demonstrations in the'}, {'start': '778.640', 'end': '780.640', 'text': 'streets to the extent that violence'}, {'start': '780.640', 'end': '782.640', 'text': 'or other violations of the law do not occur so as to say'}, {'start': '782.640', 'end': '787.880', 'text': 'sobriety must not be regulated by governments'}, {'start': '787.880', 'end': '792.480', 'text': 'whatever the term sobriety means however I think'}, {'start': '792.480', 'end': '793.980', 'text': 'that this is one of those articles that'}, {'start': '793.980', 'end': '796.620', 'text': 'is really interesting and useful to read because they make you'}, {'start': '796.620', 'end': '800.900', 'text': 'think about a theme that apparently is not'}, {'start': '800.900', 'end': '804.180', 'text': 'current that apparently is not obvious before'}, {'start': '804.180', 'end': '806.800', 'text': 'our eyes but that instead a little'}, {'start': '806.820', 'end': '809.960', 'text': 'in the background helps us to understand many things about the'}, {'start': '809.960', 'end': '811.940', 'text': 'world we live in and it is significant I'}, {'start': '811.940', 'end': '817.240', 'text': 'conclude that in the face of the initiative of the Government'}, {'start': '817.240', 'end': '820.280', 'text': 'and these institutional initiatives therefore not only'}, {'start': '820.280', 'end': '822.660', 'text': 'of the Government but also of Parliament etc. there has not'}, {'start': '822.660', 'end': '824.620', 'text': 'been all in all a'}, {'start': '824.620', 'end': '827.620', 'text': 'questioning by the opposition so it is not'}, {'start': '827.620', 'end': '830.580', 'text': 'that we have a  papist majority or a'}, {'start': '830.580', 'end': '833.280', 'text': 'clerical majority as it would have been said in other times'}, {'start': '833.280', 'end': '836.040', 'text': 'and a minority that however emphasized and'}, {'start': '836.040', 'end': '839.600', 'text': 'highlighted the theme of the separation between State and'}, {'start': '839.600', 'end': '843.860', 'text': 'Church we had an absolute convergence also because'}, {'start': '843.860', 'end': '846.520', 'text': 'precisely because of the characteristics that you mentioned about'}, {'start': '846.520', 'end': '849.020', 'text': 'Pope Francis everyone in different ways'}, {'start': '849.020', 'end': '852.800', 'text': 'tried to pull him by the jacket and'}, {'start': '852.800', 'end': '855.460', 'text': 'highlight how he was a leader of his'}, {'start': '855.460', 'end': '859.560', 'text': 'own political party I will be quick because I have'}, {'start': '859.560', 'end': '862.340', 'text': 'said everything to you and I agree with both of you I must'}, {'start': '862.340', 'end': '863.920', 'text': "say that Serena's explanation convinces me"}, {'start': '863.920', 'end': '866.680', 'text': 'particularly and there is a Pope particularly loved'}, {'start': '866.680', 'end': '868.940', 'text': 'by everyone even non-Catholics and therefore let'}, {'start': '868.940', 'end': '871.860', 'text': "'s say a policy that ultimately goes close to"}, {'start': '871.860', 'end': '873.940', 'text': 'consensus seems to me perhaps the most'}, {'start': '873.940', 'end': '876.060', 'text': 'banal explanation but also the most logical I must say that it'}, {'start': '876.060', 'end': '878.740', 'text': 'impressed me more than secularism I'}, {'start': '878.740', 'end': '881.340', 'text': 'must say perhaps it said a lot about the modernity'}, {'start': '881.340', 'end': '884.000', 'text': 'of the Italian State and Italy modernity understood'}, {'start': '884.000', 'end': '886.360', 'text': 'as the freedom of the moderns that is of a'}, {'start': '886.360', 'end': '888.000', 'text': 'country in which beyond secularism'}, {'start': '888.000', 'end': '891.380', 'text': 'individual freedoms are respected that is'}, {'start': '891.380', 'end': '894.420', 'text': 'people are not told what they should feel or what'}, {'start': '894.420', 'end': '897.240', 'text': 'their feelings should be with respect to the disappearance'}, {'start': '897.240', 'end': '901.200', 'text': 'of a person who is certainly important for'}, {'start': '901.200', 'end': '902.880', 'text': 'a large, very large part.'}, {'start': '902.980', 'end': '905.240', 'text': 'Here I had been in Spain a few days before'}, {'start': '905.240', 'end': '908.060', 'text': 'and I had been impressed by the number of'}, {'start': '908.060', 'end': '911.480', 'text': 'vacation days that were connected to the'}, {'start': '911.480', 'end': '913.080', 'text': 'Easter holidays and it seemed to me a sign of'}, {'start': '913.080', 'end': '916.920', 'text': 'poor modernity, I repeat take modernity in the sense'}, {'start': '917.760', 'end': '920.820', 'text': 'that for me allows a society that'}, {'start': '920.820', 'end': '922.500', 'text': 'gives the possibility to all those who live in'}, {'start': '922.500', 'end': '924.900', 'text': 'a society to decide what to do in their own'}, {'start': '924.900', 'end': '927.120', 'text': 'time if they decide to work or not to work'}, {'start': '927.120', 'end': '928.800', 'text': 'to celebrate or not.'}, {'start': '929.160', 'end': '930.900', 'text': 'Well, I think this particularly'}, {'start': '930.900', 'end': '933.240', 'text': 'impressed me and the visual representation, also because it'}, {'start': '933.240', 'end': '935.020', 'text': 'struck me personally, was that of an'}, {'start': '935.020', 'end': '936.740', 'text': 'industry like football, which is 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This seemed to me, let's say from"}, {'start': '961.020', 'end': '963.820', 'text': 'this point of view, perhaps an element'}, {'start': '963.820', 'end': '967.500', 'text': 'that still says something about our society, provided'}, {'start': '967.500', 'end': '969.860', 'text': 'that, for goodness sake, modernity is a good thing'}, {'start': '969.860', 'end': '971.560', 'text': "to be preserved. 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'text': 'even making us predict a reduction in the demand for'}, {'start': '1177.320', 'end': '1180.600', 'text': 'natural gas and fossil fuels around'}, {'start': '1180.600', 'end': '1183.880', 'text': 'the world, so the issue always remains the same'}, {'start': '1183.880', 'end': '1187.820', 'text': 'of the absolute madness of this whole affair that we'}, {'start': '1187.820', 'end': '1190.300', 'text': 'are seeing, in this regard I would also like to point out'}, {'start': '1190.300', 'end': '1194.520', 'text': 'a very interesting panel on tariffs at the Hoover Institute'}, {'start': '1195.280', 'end': '1199.120', 'text': 'managed by John Cochrane in which objectively,'}, {'start': '1199.120', 'end': '1201.160', 'text': 'beyond the economic part which is'}, {'start': '1201.160', 'end': '1203.960', 'text': 'very well done because the various authors explain'}, {'start': '1203.960', 'end': '1207.440', 'text': 'in a few words why this level of tariffs,'}, {'start': '1207.440', 'end': 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called it sane washing to give'}, {'start': '1237.680', 'end': '1240.480', 'text': 'a semblance of rationality exposed to what they'}, {'start': '1240.480', 'end': '1247.100', 'text': 'are doing there is no rationality I will keep quiet'}, {'start': '1247.100', 'end': '1250.960', 'text': 'and listen to Stagnaro No, nothing to'}, {'start': '1250.960', 'end': '1253.040', 'text': 'add to what Carlo said'}, {'start': '1253.040', 'end': '1258.460', 'text': 'except a further and banal consideration, that is, in the'}, {'start': '1258.460', 'end': '1261.280', 'text': 'newspapers there is a tendency to report these things here'}, {'start': '1261.280', 'end': '1264.600', 'text': 'as if everything were the result of agreements'}, {'start': '1264.600', 'end': '1266.960', 'text': 'between governments, so Von  der Leyen goes'}, {'start': '1266.960', 'end': '1268.400', 'text': 'to Trump and reaches an agreement'}, {'start': '1268.400', 'end': '1270.980', 'text': 'on how much gas Europe imports, this'}, {'start': '1270.980', 'end': '1273.200', 'text': 'has also been the narrative that has been around since'}, {'start': '1273.200', 'end': '1276.260', 'text': '2022 and has been'}, {'start': '1276.260', 'end': '1279.660', 'text': 'dominant in the somewhat risky representation of'}, {'start': '1279.660', 'end': '1282.380', 'text': 'energy issues, but in reality it is not like that,'}, {'start': '1282.940', 'end': '1286.640', 'text': 'especially not in the relationships between'}, {'start': '1286.640', 'end': '1290.820', 'text': 'European companies and American companies, because even when'}, {'start': '1290.820', 'end': '1296.120', 'text': 'the counterpart is Gazprom for Russia or'}, {'start': '1296.120', 'end': '1299.720', 'text': 'similar companies, in any case we are talking about companies that'}, {'start': '1299.720', 'end': '1302.300', 'text': 'formally are private companies, but are evidently national to'}, {'start': '1302.300', 'end': '1304.760', 'text': 'the State and often operate in a monopolistic,'}, {'start': '1304.900', 'end': '1308.140', 'text': 'almost monopolistic regime but when we talk about relationships with'}, {'start': '1308.140', 'end': '1311.740', 'text': 'and the purchase of American gas, it is evident'}, {'start': '1311.740', 'end': '1314.240', 'text': 'that both on the European side and on the'}, {'start': '1314.240', 'end': '1318.080', 'text': 'American side we have actors who are private actors who'}, {'start': '1318.080', 'end': '1323.520', 'text': 'act, buy, sell according to purely private logic and who we'}, {'start': '1323.520', 'end': '1327.120', 'text': 'say certainly do not buy and do not sell'}, {'start': '1327.120', 'end': '1329.440', 'text': 'because their respective governments ask them to.'}, {'start': '1329.540', 'end': '1332.980', 'text': 'Governments can of course prevent transactions from'}, {'start': '1332.980', 'end': '1336.340', 'text': 'taking place by imposing duties, imposing bans, imposing'}, {'start': 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I will close by"}, {'start': '1371.690', 'end': '1376.790', 'text': 'actually reporting four articles fireworks is'}, {'start': '1376.790', 'end': '1382.970', 'text': 'the usual arrogant one do you know what this is'}, {'start': '1382.970', 'end': '1383.330', 'text': 'called?'}, {'start': '1383.330', 'end': '1384.830', 'text': 'When they make fireworks in Santa'}, {'start': '1384.830', 'end': '1385.330', 'text': 'Rosalia.'}, {'start': '1385.630', 'end': '1387.710', 'text': 'In the end there is the final masculiata which'}, {'start': '1387.710', 'end': '1389.390', 'text': "is precisely when all these boh come it's"}, {'start': '1389.390', 'end': '1392.750', 'text': 'him who comes to me they say the'}, {'start': '1392.750', 'end': '1397.490', 'text': 'riundin we instead are gender we exclude the'}, {'start': '1397.490', 'end': '1402.230', 'text': "gender we say the riundin it's the rotondino because"}, {'start': '1402.230', 'end': '1405.910', 'text': 'normally they are arranged in circles and concentric these you'}, {'start': '1407.650', 'end': '1411.050', 'text': 'shoot those that you call masculi that'}, {'start': '1411.050', 'end': '1415.470', 'text': 'we call firecrackers so why four articles?'}, {'start': '1415.750', 'end': '1417.610', 'text': 'In reality, they are four interventions published in the past few'}, {'start': '1417.610', 'end': '1420.830', 'text': 'weeks by various authors on the Cato'}, {'start': '1420.830', 'end': '1424.990', 'text': 'Institute blog and which talk about different topics, namely'}, {'start': '1424.990', 'end': '1431.030', 'text': 'the orders, the reaction to some of'}, {'start': '1431.030', 'end': '1435.230', 'text': "Trump's executive orders relating to electoral rules in the states,"}, {'start': '1435.230', 'end': '1439.310', 'text': 'discipline in schools, ideological diversity, the'}, {'start': '1439.310', 'end': '1443.170', 'text': 'so-called ideological diversity in universities and Tariffs. What'}, {'start': '1443.170', 'end': '1445.470', 'text': 'do these articles have in common and why'}, {'start': '1445.470', 'end': '1446.650', 'text': 'does it make sense to report them together?'}, {'start': '1446.790', 'end': '1450.030', 'text': 'Because everyone points out that beyond the'}, {'start': '1450.030', 'end': '1453.210', 'text': 'merits, everyone can agree or disagree,'}, {'start': '1453.210', 'end': '1456.210', 'text': "for example, on the merits of Trump's executive order"}, {'start': '1456.210', 'end': '1460.530', 'text': 'on electoral rules that essentially requires'}, {'start': '1460.530', 'end': '1463.830', 'text': 'stricter, more rigorous procedures for identifying the'}, {'start': '1463.830', 'end': '1466.710', 'text': 'identity of voters. The author of this article'}, {'start': '1466.710', 'end': '1468.410', 'text': 'is in favor, so if beyond the'}, {'start': '1468.410', 'end': '1472.450', 'text': 'merits, these interventions are all wrong from a'}, {'start': '1472.450', 'end': '1476.150', 'text': 'methodological point of view because they represent an invasion'}, {'start': '1476.150', 'end': '1478.930', 'text': 'by the executive power, that is, by the administration,'}, {'start': '1478.930', 'end': '1480.450', 'text': 'in other areas.'}, {'start': '1480.550', 'end': '1482.530', 'text': 'These other areas are in some cases for'}, {'start': '1482.530', 'end': '1489.170', 'text': 'example that of Congress that of tariffs the'}, {'start': '1489.170', 'end': '1492.470', 'text': 'power of Congress does not belong to the President to establish'}, {'start': '1492.470', 'end': '1496.810', 'text': 'except in emergency conditions the tariffs to be'}, {'start': '1496.810', 'end': '1498.670', 'text': 'applied to imported goods.'}, {'start': '1498.790', 'end': '1502.210', 'text': 'In the case of the so-called ideological diversity within'}, {'start': '1502.210', 'end': '1507.730', 'text': 'universities, the administration enters with both feet'}, {'start': '1507.730', 'end': '1510.150', 'text': 'on a constitutionally guaranteed terrain which is'}, {'start': '1510.150', 'end': '1513.570', 'text': 'freedom of thought, freedom of teaching in'}, {'start': '1513.570', 'end': '1519.450', 'text': 'other cases, namely the discipline of'}, {'start': '1519.450', 'end': '1525.370', 'text': 'schools and electoral rules, enters and the'}, {'start': '1525.370', 'end': '1528.910', 'text': 'president goes to meddle in competences that are'}, {'start': '1529.670', 'end': '1532.630', 'text': 'exclusively reserved to the states by the constitution. What the authors of these articles'}, {'start': '1532.630', 'end': '1534.510', 'text': 'also say with a bit of'}, {'start': '1535.110', 'end': '1537.170', 'text': 'malice is that it'}, {'start': '1537.170', 'end': '1541.150', 'text': 'is curious that the opponents of these'}, {'start': '1541.150', 'end': '1544.550', 'text': 'executive orders who are in fact on the same side as'}, {'start': '1544.550', 'end': '1548.030', 'text': 'the Cheto scholars, however in the past have'}, {'start': '1548.030', 'end': '1552.270', 'text': 'promoted executive orders that very often had very'}, {'start': '1552.270', 'end': '1557.550', 'text': "similar characteristics but different objectives. Let's think about the"}, {'start': '1557.550', 'end': '1560.590', 'text': 'issues of diversity in universities and so on.'}, {'start': '1560.590', 'end': '1564.450', 'text': 'So I mention an interesting topic and I'}, {'start': '1564.450', 'end': '1566.390', 'text': 'mention them because in reality we have talked about it several'}, {'start': '1566.390', 'end': '1568.670', 'text': 'times in the past but because in my opinion it will be'}, {'start': '1568.670', 'end': '1573.690', 'text': 'one of the most interesting aspects of the near political future of'}, {'start': '1573.690', 'end': '1578.130', 'text': 'the United States. It concerns precisely the balance'}, {'start': '1579.170', 'end': '1583.330', 'text': 'of powers and the implicit counterweights to the'}, {'start': '1583.330', 'end': '1585.070', 'text': 'American political system that have to do on the'}, {'start': '1585.070', 'end': '1587.390', 'text': 'one hand with the courts on the other hand'}, {'start': '1587.390', 'end': '1589.710', 'text': 'with the states on the other hand still with'}, {'start': '1589.710', 'end': '1592.530', 'text': 'the powers of Congress and that will inevitably lead to'}, {'start': '1592.530', 'end': '1595.230', 'text': 'a  plurality of cases at the Supreme Court that'}, {'start': '1595.230', 'end': '1600.430', 'text': 'will be interesting to see how it behaves Before'}, {'start': '1600.430', 'end': '1602.470', 'text': 'leaving Sireoni on this one because I'}, {'start': '1602.470', 'end': '1604.770', 'text': "can't say anything I point it out and then I'll"}, {'start': '1604.770', 'end': '1607.490', 'text': "leave it let's say at the end but I'll add it to"}, {'start': '1607.490', 'end': '1610.490', 'text': 'an article from this week who can'}, {'start': '1610.490', 'end': '1613.130', 'text': 'stop Donald Trump that is the very theme of what we'}, {'start': '1613.130', 'end': '1615.690', 'text': 'will see developing now surely Serena will have I do'}, {'start': '1615.690', 'end': '1618.370', 'text': "n't say the answer at least she will be able to"}, {'start': '1618.370', 'end': '1621.330', 'text': 'shed some light on the theme given that'}, {'start': '1621.330', 'end': '1624.190', 'text': 'Congress, even though it has the possibility, I'}, {'start': '1624.190', 'end': '1625.830', 'text': "understand that it won't do it for political reasons"}, {'start': '1625.830', 'end': '1627.790', 'text': 'perhaps the Supreme Court however I have to say an'}, {'start': '1627.790', 'end': '1630.710', 'text': 'article that is quite impressive because as a'}, {'start': '1630.710', 'end': '1632.570', 'text': 'layman I ask myself but is it possible that'}, {'start': '1632.570', 'end': '1635.250', 'text': 'someone who has delivered a great democracy is not'}, {'start': '1635.250', 'end': '1637.390', 'text': "in a position let's say to put or"}, {'start': '1637.390', 'end': '1639.570', 'text': 'recover those checks and balances that we were'}, {'start': '1640.190', 'end': '1642.330', 'text': "taught to be let's say the fundamental way in which"}, {'start': '1642.330', 'end': '1647.800', 'text': 'liberal democracies express themselves'}, {'start': '1647.800', 'end': '1652.440', 'text': 'The thing that amazes me is that we are also'}, {'start': '1652.440', 'end': '1660.620', 'text': 'these articles confirm it a little we are concentrated on'}, {'start': '1660.620', 'end': '1665.180', 'text': "looking at the institutional responses to Trump's initiatives"}, {'start': '1665.180', 'end': '1672.640', 'text': 'as if to stop him'}, {'start': '1672.640', 'end': '1681.760', 'text': 'a judicial response is necessary fundamentally in all this it is'}, {'start': '1681.760', 'end': '1683.780', 'text': 'also a little what is happening'}, {'start': '1683.780', 'end': '1686.300', 'text': "here, now we don't have  Trump and therefore"}, {'start': '1686.300', 'end': '1689.920', 'text': 'clearly the situation is not comparable but the'}, {'start': '1689.920', 'end': '1695.100', 'text': 'issue of the fact that certainly among'}, {'start': '1695.100', 'end': '1698.820', 'text': 'other things he is an elected president therefore he has'}, {'start': '1698.820', 'end': '1704.680', 'text': 'a series of specific prerogatives and also a'}, {'start': '1704.680', 'end': '1708.180', 'text': 'relationship with the electorate different from an'}, {'start': '1708.180', 'end': '1712.680', 'text': 'immediate election or an immediate nomination but it'}, {'start': '1712.680', 'end': '1715.040', 'text': 'is still a democracy in which there is'}, {'start': '1715.040', 'end': '1718.360', 'text': 'a majority and a minority so in all'}, {'start': '1718.360', 'end': '1726.060', 'text': 'this search for the reasons for the illegitimacy of'}, {'start': '1726.060', 'end': '1730.680', 'text': "Trump's decisions we are taking for granted at least in"}, {'start': '1731.260', 'end': '1735.340', 'text': 'this first phase the fact that the response'}, {'start': '1735.340', 'end': '1737.800', 'text': 'must be precisely a response of illegitimacy or'}, {'start': '1737.800', 'end': '1741.740', 'text': 'illegitimacy and not instead an alternative response'}, {'start': '1741.740', 'end': '1746.180', 'text': 'on the political level what I ask myself with respect'}, {'start': '1746.180', 'end': '1748.700', 'text': 'to which I do not have an answer so I turn'}, {'start': '1748.700', 'end': '1751.220', 'text': 'the question to you is whether the absence'}, {'start': '1751.220', 'end': '1754.280', 'text': 'from this point of view of a'}, {'start': '1754.280', 'end': '1756.420', 'text': 'democratic voice that is not only that of Hillary'}, {'start': '1756.420', 'end': '1757.900', 'text': 'Clinton who is the only one who has written'}, {'start': '1757.900', 'end': '1765.640', 'text': 'a strong article in this respect is a'}, {'start': '1765.640', 'end': '1770.040', 'text': 'desired strategy could also be this that is an'}, {'start': '1770.040', 'end': '1779.080', 'text': 'almost feline waiting move of someone who'}, {'start': '1779.080', 'end': '1783.800', 'text': 'is watching the missteps of the prey'}, {'start': '1783.800', 'end': '1787.620', 'text': 'that sooner or later will end up in the net or'}, {'start': '1787.620', 'end': '1793.340', 'text': 'if much more simply it is due to an inability'}, {'start': '1793.340', 'end': '1798.980', 'text': 'to regenerate from the ashes  of a clear one'}]