The World Over  May 1, 2025 | General Congregations: Edward Pentin with Raymond Arroyo
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[{'start': '0.320', 'end': '4.560', 'text': 'Pope Francis has been buried at St. Mary'}, {'start': '2.480', 'end': '6.960', 'text': 'Major and the masses of the nine days of'}, {'start': '4.560', 'end': '9.679', 'text': 'morning continue here in Rome. What'}, {'start': '6.960', 'end': '12.480', 'text': 'happens at the Paul V 6th meeting hall'}, {'start': '9.679', 'end': '14.400', 'text': 'each day are these general congregation'}, {'start': '12.480', 'end': '16.960', 'text': 'meetings of the entire college of'}, {'start': '14.400', 'end': '20.000', 'text': 'cardinals. Those will occur right up'}, {'start': '16.960', 'end': '22.000', 'text': 'until the conclave starts next week. For'}, {'start': '20.000', 'end': '23.920', 'text': 'more on those meetings, the candidates,'}, {'start': '22.000', 'end': '25.680', 'text': 'and where the cardinals are at this'}, {'start': '23.920', 'end': '27.599', 'text': "point, I'm joined by Vatican"}, {'start': '25.680', 'end': '30.560', 'text': 'correspondent for the National Catholic'}, {'start': '27.599', 'end': '31.960', 'text': 'Register and co-founder of the College'}, {'start': '30.560', 'end': '34.239', 'text': 'of'}, {'start': '31.960', 'end': '36.160', 'text': 'Cardinalsreport.com, Edward Penton. Ed,'}, {'start': '34.239', 'end': '38.160', 'text': 'great to see you. Tell the audience'}, {'start': '36.160', 'end': '40.320', 'text': "about these meetings. I mean, I've"}, {'start': '38.160', 'end': '42.559', 'text': 'always said this is really where the'}, {'start': '40.320', 'end': '44.480', 'text': 'business of the conclave happens in'}, {'start': '42.559', 'end': '46.480', 'text': "these private meetings. What's happening"}, {'start': '44.480', 'end': '48.239', 'text': "there? What's been the reaction of these"}, {'start': '46.480', 'end': '49.840', 'text': 'cardinals? Exactly. The these meetings'}, {'start': '48.239', 'end': '51.440', 'text': 'are absolutely crucial because this is'}, {'start': '49.840', 'end': '54.160', 'text': 'the time when the cardinals really get a'}, {'start': '51.440', 'end': '55.920', 'text': 'chance to first of all lay out the'}, {'start': '54.160', 'end': '57.520', 'text': "challenges that the next pope's going to"}, {'start': '55.920', 'end': '60.000', 'text': 'face and the challenges that they think'}, {'start': '57.520', 'end': '61.760', 'text': "are the priorities and then also they're"}, {'start': '60.000', 'end': '64.080', 'text': 'going to look at the the particular'}, {'start': '61.760', 'end': '66.560', 'text': 'candidates and those that are suitable'}, {'start': '64.080', 'end': '68.720', 'text': 'to really deal with those challenges. Um'}, {'start': '66.560', 'end': '70.640', 'text': 'and so it really is a kind of an'}, {'start': '68.720', 'end': '74.080', 'text': 'opportunity for them to really showcase'}, {'start': '70.640', 'end': '75.680', 'text': 'what they think is a priority. We saw'}, {'start': '74.080', 'end': '78.320', 'text': 'Cardinal Batista Ray the other day'}, {'start': '75.680', 'end': '80.640', 'text': 'during his funeral homaly for Pope'}, {'start': '78.320', 'end': '83.680', 'text': 'Francis and he mourned his passing. He'}, {'start': '80.640', 'end': '85.920', 'text': 'urged a continuation of his legacy. How'}, {'start': '83.680', 'end': '87.920', 'text': 'was that received by the cardinals and'}, {'start': '85.920', 'end': '89.920', 'text': 'those who live and work here in Rome?'}, {'start': '87.920', 'end': '92.479', 'text': 'Right. Well, I think uh it was very much'}, {'start': '89.920', 'end': '94.960', 'text': 'an accurate representation of what many'}, {'start': '92.479', 'end': '96.479', 'text': "feel that he was a a people's pope. You"}, {'start': '94.960', 'end': '98.159', 'text': "know, he was somebody who's cared cared"}, {'start': '96.479', 'end': '101.520', 'text': 'for the poor. That was very very much an'}, {'start': '98.159', 'end': '103.119', 'text': 'emphasis of his homaly. Um, I think'}, {'start': '101.520', 'end': '106.159', 'text': 'there was some concern at the end when'}, {'start': '103.119', 'end': '108.240', 'text': 'he said, uh, you know, uh, he asked us'}, {'start': '106.159', 'end': '110.240', 'text': 'to pray for him and now we he can pray'}, {'start': '108.240', 'end': '112.479', 'text': 'for us from heaven. Well, that really'}, {'start': '110.240', 'end': '114.320', 'text': "isn't, uh, strictly Catholic teaching"}, {'start': '112.479', 'end': '115.920', 'text': "because we don't know if he's in heaven."}, {'start': '114.320', 'end': '117.600', 'text': "We we have we hope that he's in heaven."}, {'start': '115.920', 'end': '119.759', 'text': "We don't know for sure. You you spoke to"}, {'start': '117.600', 'end': '121.840', 'text': 'a Vatican employee recently about this'}, {'start': '119.759', 'end': '124.640', 'text': "though, about Francis's passing. Yes."}, {'start': '121.840', 'end': '126.399', 'text': 'Tell me about that. Yes. Well, uh, as'}, {'start': '124.640', 'end': '127.479', 'text': 'many viewers know that that there was a'}, {'start': '126.399', 'end': '129.920', 'text': 'there was an'}, {'start': '127.479', 'end': '131.680', 'text': 'external perception of Francis which was'}, {'start': '129.920', 'end': '134.239', 'text': 'quite different many ways to those who'}, {'start': '131.680', 'end': '136.640', 'text': 'worked with him. And I think there was a'}, {'start': '134.239', 'end': '138.160', 'text': 'a strong sense uh during his pontificate'}, {'start': '136.640', 'end': '141.920', 'text': 'that it was a rather oppressive'}, {'start': '138.160', 'end': '144.160', 'text': 'atmosphere in the Vatican. And uh this'}, {'start': '141.920', 'end': '145.920', 'text': 'particular official when he was asked'}, {'start': '144.160', 'end': '149.040', 'text': "how do you feel now he's gone he said I"}, {'start': '145.920', 'end': '151.520', 'text': "feel free. So there's a sense that he"}, {'start': '149.040', 'end': '153.599', 'text': 'was it was it was a difficult time to'}, {'start': '151.520', 'end': '155.360', 'text': 'work for him because I think there was a'}, {'start': '153.599', 'end': '157.120', 'text': 'certain amount of arbitrariness about'}, {'start': '155.360', 'end': '158.640', 'text': "his way of governing. You he didn't you"}, {'start': '157.120', 'end': '161.680', 'text': "couldn't predict what he was going to"}, {'start': '158.640', 'end': '163.519', 'text': 'do. Yes. And uh there were good aspects'}, {'start': '161.680', 'end': '164.879', 'text': 'of course but there was this this side'}, {'start': '163.519', 'end': '166.959', 'text': 'which was well well you said it there'}, {'start': '164.879', 'end': '169.760', 'text': 'was a disconnect I think between the the'}, {'start': '166.959', 'end': '172.080', 'text': 'visual that the public got and what the'}, {'start': '169.760', 'end': '175.040', 'text': 'public perceived at general audiences'}, {'start': '172.080', 'end': '177.280', 'text': 'and papal trips and then the reality of'}, {'start': '175.040', 'end': '178.800', 'text': "how he governed which is something I'm"}, {'start': '177.280', 'end': '181.040', 'text': 'sure these cardinals will be considering'}, {'start': '178.800', 'end': '182.720', 'text': 'in the days ahead. But originally we'}, {'start': '181.040', 'end': '185.040', 'text': 'were hearing that the conclave might be'}, {'start': '182.720', 'end': '187.519', 'text': 'scheduled to begin on May 5th a day'}, {'start': '185.040', 'end': '189.360', 'text': 'earlier than canon law allows. Then'}, {'start': '187.519', 'end': '191.519', 'text': 'after some discussion, the general'}, {'start': '189.360', 'end': '193.760', 'text': 'congregation of cardinals set the date'}, {'start': '191.519', 'end': '196.159', 'text': "for May 7th. That's when the conclave"}, {'start': '193.760', 'end': '198.480', 'text': 'will begin. Why the extra two days? Why'}, {'start': '196.159', 'end': '200.720', 'text': 'are those important, Ed? And I know'}, {'start': '198.480', 'end': '202.239', 'text': 'Benedict changed the rules of election'}, {'start': '200.720', 'end': '204.000', 'text': 'so that if all the electors were'}, {'start': '202.239', 'end': '205.760', 'text': 'present, they could move the conclave'}, {'start': '204.000', 'end': '207.519', 'text': "up. That's right. Who wanted to move it"}, {'start': '205.760', 'end': '209.360', 'text': "up? Well, we don't know for sure, but I"}, {'start': '207.519', 'end': '212.000', 'text': 'think I think it was really for those'}, {'start': '209.360', 'end': '213.120', 'text': 'who uh this is a very big number of'}, {'start': '212.000', 'end': '214.879', 'text': "cardinals. I don't think I think it's"}, {'start': '213.120', 'end': '217.120', 'text': "the biggest we've ever had of cardinal"}, {'start': '214.879', 'end': '220.080', 'text': 'electors and so they need that time to'}, {'start': '217.120', 'end': '222.000', 'text': 'get ready for to get ready to have the'}, {'start': '220.080', 'end': '224.560', 'text': 'discussions we were just talking about'}, {'start': '222.000', 'end': '226.400', 'text': 'and really just to to be fully prepared'}, {'start': '224.560', 'end': '228.640', 'text': "for what's coming. I think that was that"}, {'start': '226.400', 'end': '230.720', 'text': 'was and also Yes. It was well these men'}, {'start': '228.640', 'end': '232.400', 'text': "don't know each other. Exactly. They're"}, {'start': '230.720', 'end': '234.319', 'text': 'from far-flung parts of the world. They'}, {'start': '232.400', 'end': '236.080', 'text': 'represent very little communities which'}, {'start': '234.319', 'end': '237.519', 'text': "is something that we don't talk about"}, {'start': '236.080', 'end': '239.760', 'text': "enough. I mean, it's lovely that you've"}, {'start': '237.519', 'end': '241.280', 'text': 'made a cardinal from the periphery, but'}, {'start': '239.760', 'end': '243.200', 'text': 'some of these guys have a thousand'}, {'start': '241.280', 'end': '245.120', 'text': 'Catholics in their entire purview.'}, {'start': '243.200', 'end': '249.120', 'text': "That's that's that's half a small parish"}, {'start': '245.120', 'end': '250.879', 'text': "in the States. So, it's a very odd um I"}, {'start': '249.120', 'end': '253.120', 'text': "think they feel a bit at sea. They don't"}, {'start': '250.879', 'end': '255.040', 'text': 'know these other men and the other men'}, {'start': '253.120', 'end': '257.120', 'text': "don't know them. So, it's a getting to"}, {'start': '255.040', 'end': '258.720', 'text': 'know you period. But again, the the the'}, {'start': '257.120', 'end': '260.959', 'text': 'real work of the conclave has already'}, {'start': '258.720', 'end': '262.320', 'text': 'begun in these general meetings. And'}, {'start': '260.959', 'end': '265.080', 'text': "we'll talk about this later in the week,"}, {'start': '262.320', 'end': '268.400', 'text': 'but uh the there seems to be an emerging'}, {'start': '265.080', 'end': '271.919', 'text': "divide. Um let's those who want to"}, {'start': '268.400', 'end': '274.080', 'text': 'continue the Francis legacy of cidality,'}, {'start': '271.919', 'end': '276.880', 'text': 'uh suppression of the Latin mass,'}, {'start': '274.080', 'end': '279.040', 'text': 'support for migrants. I mean that that'}, {'start': '276.880', 'end': '281.120', 'text': 'became a big theme and and others are'}, {'start': '279.040', 'end': '283.680', 'text': 'saying this would be a catastrophe that'}, {'start': '281.120', 'end': '285.080', 'text': 'the church is is in a moment of chaos'}, {'start': '283.680', 'end': '287.759', 'text': 'and'}, {'start': '285.080', 'end': '290.960', 'text': 'nonclarity. Where is their thinking at'}, {'start': '287.759', 'end': '292.639', 'text': 'this moment? The general where What are'}, {'start': '290.960', 'end': '294.960', 'text': "the thoughts of the cardinals as they're"}, {'start': '292.639', 'end': '296.960', 'text': 'going into this and I guess who are the'}, {'start': '294.960', 'end': '298.400', 'text': "major candidates? Well, I mean it's"}, {'start': '296.960', 'end': '299.600', 'text': 'quite interesting that the Vatican has'}, {'start': '298.400', 'end': '301.280', 'text': 'been putting out these statements about'}, {'start': '299.600', 'end': '303.520', 'text': "what they're discussing and as you say"}, {'start': '301.280', 'end': '305.360', 'text': "it's very much what Francis Pontificate"}, {'start': '303.520', 'end': '307.199', 'text': 'was about. about migration and climate'}, {'start': '305.360', 'end': '309.280', 'text': 'change and cidality and these things,'}, {'start': '307.199', 'end': '311.759', 'text': "but there isn't much talk about what's"}, {'start': '309.280', 'end': '315.520', 'text': 'needed, at least not yet in a in a pope'}, {'start': '311.759', 'end': '318.160', 'text': 'and and the emphasis on the spiritual on'}, {'start': '315.520', 'end': '319.759', 'text': 'on the pope being not a temporal leader,'}, {'start': '318.160', 'end': '322.080', 'text': 'not about politics, not about these'}, {'start': '319.759', 'end': '324.240', 'text': 'temporal issues, but more about guiding'}, {'start': '322.080', 'end': '326.240', 'text': 'souls to the next life and and salvation'}, {'start': '324.240', 'end': '328.080', 'text': 'of souls. Whether they move on to that,'}, {'start': '326.240', 'end': '329.840', 'text': "we don't know, but is at this stage. But"}, {'start': '328.080', 'end': '331.680', 'text': "that's that I think is interesting. who"}, {'start': '329.840', 'end': '333.440', 'text': 'are the primary contenders on on each'}, {'start': '331.680', 'end': '335.440', 'text': 'sides of this divide, if you will. The'}, {'start': '333.440', 'end': '338.000', 'text': "the those who want to continue Francis's"}, {'start': '335.440', 'end': '340.320', 'text': 'legacy, those who say, "No, we need a'}, {'start': '338.000', 'end': '343.199', 'text': 'more doctrine pope who reinforces the'}, {'start': '340.320', 'end': '345.840', 'text': 'faith and he brings clarity out of this'}, {'start': '343.199', 'end': '346.960', 'text': 'confusion." Well, uh it\'s it\'s'}, {'start': '345.840', 'end': '348.160', 'text': "interesting. We we'll talk about this"}, {'start': '346.960', 'end': '350.160', 'text': 'College of Cardinals report in a second,'}, {'start': '348.160', 'end': '351.759', 'text': 'but but some doing some of the research'}, {'start': '350.160', 'end': '354.960', 'text': 'into these cardinals, it is interesting'}, {'start': '351.759', 'end': '356.479', 'text': "that the the vast majority of Francis's"}, {'start': '354.960', 'end': '359.199', 'text': 'picks'}, {'start': '356.479', 'end': '361.280', 'text': 'all have they all like one of these'}, {'start': '359.199', 'end': '362.720', 'text': 'issues. One of three or maybe all three'}, {'start': '361.280', 'end': '364.720', 'text': "of these issues, whether it's migration"}, {'start': '362.720', 'end': '366.720', 'text': 'or climate change or interreligious'}, {'start': '364.720', 'end': '369.280', 'text': 'dialogue, these these have run right'}, {'start': '366.720', 'end': '370.800', 'text': "through his picks. And so that's why"}, {'start': '369.280', 'end': '372.560', 'text': "you're getting very much an emphasis of"}, {'start': '370.800', 'end': '375.919', 'text': "these things. And I think there's"}, {'start': '372.560', 'end': '377.919', 'text': "there's perhaps a I don't say a lack of"}, {'start': '375.919', 'end': '379.520', 'text': 'balance, but there is certainly more'}, {'start': '377.919', 'end': '381.039', 'text': 'pushing that than there are sort of the'}, {'start': '379.520', 'end': '382.800', 'text': "more traditional things that we've seen"}, {'start': '381.039', 'end': '384.639', 'text': 'before. Well, we will keep watching this'}, {'start': '382.800', 'end': '387.280', 'text': 'in the days ahead. And I have to say'}, {'start': '384.639', 'end': '389.520', 'text': 'your guide, you and Diana Montana, uh it'}, {'start': '387.280', 'end': '392.680', 'text': "it's an indispensable guide. It's called"}, {'start': '389.520', 'end': '395.960', 'text': 'the Cardinals College of Cardinals'}, {'start': '392.680', 'end': '399.440', 'text': "Report.com. And um I have to say it's an"}, {'start': '395.960', 'end': '401.440', 'text': 'exhaustive uh treatment of each of these'}, {'start': '399.440', 'end': '402.800', 'text': 'men and you really do get to know them'}, {'start': '401.440', 'end': '405.280', 'text': "in a very broad way. It's an"}, {'start': '402.800', 'end': '406.440', 'text': 'indispensable resource. So uh check it'}, {'start': '405.280', 'end': '408.240', 'text': 'out. college'}, {'start': '406.440', 'end': '409.680', 'text': "ofcardinalsreport.com. Ed Penton, we'll"}, {'start': '408.240', 'end': '410.960', 'text': 'check in with you in the days ahead.'}, {'start': '409.680', 'end': '413.960', 'text': 'Thank you. Thank you. Good to be with'}, {'start': '410.960', 'end': '413.960', 'text': 'you.'}, {'start': '415.250', 'end': '418.199', 'text': '[Music]'}]