Sports event safety specialist discusses MLB fan who was injured after fall
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[{'start': '0.160', 'end': '4.240', 'text': "Let's bring in Steve Adelman from Event"}, {'start': '2.399', 'end': '6.560', 'text': 'Safety Alliance to talk more about this.'}, {'start': '4.240', 'end': '8.320', 'text': 'He specializes in risk and safety at'}, {'start': '6.560', 'end': '10.000', 'text': 'sporting events. Steve, thanks for'}, {'start': '8.320', 'end': '11.759', 'text': 'taking the time to talk with us. I mean,'}, {'start': '10.000', 'end': '13.759', 'text': 'just a lot of questions here, but first'}, {'start': '11.759', 'end': '17.119', 'text': 'and foremost, what do you think went'}, {'start': '13.759', 'end': '20.960', 'text': 'wrong here in your opinion?'}, {'start': '17.119', 'end': '24.400', 'text': 'It was just an unfortunate situation. I'}, {'start': '20.960', 'end': '26.519', 'text': "mean, he's holding on to the railing. An"}, {'start': '24.400', 'end': '29.199', 'text': 'exciting play happens, totally'}, {'start': '26.519', 'end': '31.760', 'text': 'unexpected, and he does what everyone'}, {'start': '29.199', 'end': '33.800', 'text': 'around him does, which is he stands up'}, {'start': '31.760', 'end': '35.920', 'text': "in a moment of excitement. He's"}, {'start': '33.800', 'end': '39.120', 'text': "thrilled. Unfortunately, he's still"}, {'start': '35.920', 'end': '42.680', 'text': 'holding the railing. So, he flipped over'}, {'start': '39.120', 'end': '45.120', 'text': 'the railing, you know, like we see in'}, {'start': '42.680', 'end': '47.360', 'text': "gymnastics. I don't know that anything"}, {'start': '45.120', 'end': '50.559', 'text': 'went wrong.'}, {'start': '47.360', 'end': '51.840', 'text': "It's just something that happened."}, {'start': '50.559', 'end': '53.360', 'text': "It almost sounds like it's maybe"}, {'start': '51.840', 'end': '55.600', 'text': "surprising this doesn't happen more"}, {'start': '53.360', 'end': '57.120', 'text': 'often based on what you just described.'}, {'start': '55.600', 'end': '58.559', 'text': 'But before you address that, I I want to'}, {'start': '57.120', 'end': '60.879', 'text': 'play a quick soundbite here. The fan'}, {'start': '58.559', 'end': '62.879', 'text': 'that we spoke to in that piece, he said'}, {'start': '60.879', 'end': '65.119', 'text': 'he sat in those very same seats at PNC'}, {'start': '62.879', 'end': '67.439', 'text': "Park, here's more of how he described"}, {'start': '65.119', 'end': '69.520', 'text': 'the setup there. Take a listen. The'}, {'start': '67.439', 'end': '72.479', 'text': "railings I I've sat in, you know, the"}, {'start': '69.520', 'end': '74.640', 'text': "the outfield and, you know, I've like"}, {'start': '72.479', 'end': '76.560', 'text': 'the the the height of it. You know, you'}, {'start': '74.640', 'end': '78.320', 'text': "want to be eye level if if if you're"}, {'start': '76.560', 'end': '81.119', 'text': 'sitting down. if it gets any higher, you'}, {'start': '78.320', 'end': '84.240', 'text': "know, uh you can't really see, you know,"}, {'start': '81.119', 'end': '87.520', 'text': 'so um at the at the end of the day, you'}, {'start': '84.240', 'end': '90.799', 'text': 'know, PNC Park may want to, you know,'}, {'start': '87.520', 'end': '92.479', 'text': "look at this. So that's the calculation,"}, {'start': '90.799', 'end': '94.880', 'text': 'right, Steve? Is that you want to be'}, {'start': '92.479', 'end': '96.720', 'text': 'able to deliver good experience for'}, {'start': '94.880', 'end': '98.159', 'text': 'fans, a superior one, but by the same'}, {'start': '96.720', 'end': '100.640', 'text': 'time token, you want to make sure that'}, {'start': '98.159', 'end': '101.920', 'text': "it's safe as well. Is that how MLB would"}, {'start': '100.640', 'end': '104.400', 'text': 'be evaluating this? What do you think is'}, {'start': '101.920', 'end': '106.159', 'text': 'going on behind the scenes?'}, {'start': '104.400', 'end': '109.439', 'text': "I'm sure that's how they're evaluating"}, {'start': '106.159', 'end': '112.479', 'text': "it. It's how it's always evaluated. So"}, {'start': '109.439', 'end': '114.720', 'text': 'the first issue is did the railing meet'}, {'start': '112.479', 'end': '117.280', 'text': 'the building codes minimum height'}, {'start': '114.720', 'end': '120.079', 'text': 'requirement? And the answer to that is'}, {'start': '117.280', 'end': '122.240', 'text': 'certainly yes because the building'}, {'start': '120.079', 'end': '125.119', 'text': "wouldn't open and would not survive"}, {'start': '122.240', 'end': '127.520', 'text': 'countless reinspections if the railing'}, {'start': '125.119', 'end': '129.920', 'text': "height didn't meet code. So I think we"}, {'start': '127.520', 'end': '132.640', 'text': 'can say with a 100% certainty the'}, {'start': '129.920', 'end': '135.720', 'text': 'railing was of sufficient height to meet'}, {'start': '132.640', 'end': '138.640', 'text': 'the minimum standard. The question then'}, {'start': '135.720', 'end': '142.160', 'text': 'becomes, given the way human beings'}, {'start': '138.640', 'end': '146.879', 'text': 'behave at a ballpark and the size of'}, {'start': '142.160', 'end': '149.120', 'text': 'people now, is meeting code enough? It'}, {'start': '146.879', 'end': '151.680', 'text': 'is certainly enough to open the ballpark'}, {'start': '149.120', 'end': '154.480', 'text': 'and let fans in every day, but is it'}, {'start': '151.680', 'end': '156.160', 'text': 'reasonable given the way we use baseball'}, {'start': '154.480', 'end': '158.400', 'text': "stadiums now? That's really the"}, {'start': '156.160', 'end': '160.800', 'text': 'question, Steve. That code, is it state'}, {'start': '158.400', 'end': '163.360', 'text': 'by state? Is it ballpark by ballpark? Is'}, {'start': '160.800', 'end': '165.280', 'text': 'there any uniformity in it?'}, {'start': '163.360', 'end': '168.720', 'text': 'Yes, it is actually the uniform building'}, {'start': '165.280', 'end': '171.120', 'text': 'code. So it it is precisely a national'}, {'start': '168.720', 'end': '175.040', 'text': "standard and where he was sitting it's"}, {'start': '171.120', 'end': '177.440', 'text': '24 in which is not very high and you'}, {'start': '175.040', 'end': '181.120', 'text': 'know as the fan quoted just before me'}, {'start': '177.440', 'end': '183.440', 'text': "said that means it's easy to see. So the"}, {'start': '181.120', 'end': '186.080', 'text': 'minimum height requirement preserves'}, {'start': '183.440', 'end': '188.959', 'text': "sightelines really well. What it doesn't"}, {'start': '186.080', 'end': '192.000', 'text': 'do really well is keep people from'}, {'start': '188.959', 'end': '195.599', 'text': "falling over. Now, this doesn't happen"}, {'start': '192.000', 'end': '199.360', 'text': 'very often, but it does happen. And when'}, {'start': '195.599', 'end': '203.599', 'text': 'it happens, it is very, very bad for a'}, {'start': '199.360', 'end': '206.080', 'text': 'person to topple 20 or 21 ft over'}, {'start': '203.599', 'end': '209.360', 'text': 'railing onto a warning track. That is'}, {'start': '206.080', 'end': '211.920', 'text': "very bad. And it's also happened in the"}, {'start': '209.360', 'end': '215.280', 'text': 'stands where people have fallen from an'}, {'start': '211.920', 'end': '217.200', 'text': 'upper deck down onto a lower deck. And'}, {'start': '215.280', 'end': '219.440', 'text': "that's not good for the fan who falls."}, {'start': '217.200', 'end': '221.200', 'text': "and if they fall onto someone, it's bad"}, {'start': '219.440', 'end': '223.920', 'text': "for them also. We'll see what the"}, {'start': '221.200', 'end': '225.200', 'text': 'response is, but yes, but you gave us a'}, {'start': '223.920', 'end': '226.799', 'text': 'lot to think about there, Steve.'}, {'start': '225.200', 'end': '228.239', 'text': 'Certainly some perspective on the issue,'}, {'start': '226.799', 'end': '230.239', 'text': 'and we thank you so much for your time'}, {'start': '228.239', 'end': '232.319', 'text': 'tonight. Thanks for watching. Stay'}, {'start': '230.239', 'end': '235.599', 'text': 'updated about breaking news and top'}, {'start': '232.319', 'end': '239.120', 'text': 'stories on the NBC News app or follow us'}, {'start': '235.599', 'end': '239.120', 'text': 'on social media.'}]