Remembering Robert Monroe and Journeys Out of the Body with Tom Campbell, author of My Big TOE
New Thinking Allowed with Jeffrey Mishlove
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I'm Jeffrey Mishlove. Today\xa0\nwe are going to remember the life and work"}, {'start': '97.120', 'end': '103.600', 'text': "of Robert Monroe, the author of Journeys Out\xa0\nof the Body. I'm honored to have with me here"}, {'start': '103.600', 'end': '110.080', 'text': 'in my studio in Albuquerque, Tom Campbell,\xa0\nwho was a long-time colleague and student'}, {'start': '110.080', 'end': '116.160', 'text': 'of Robert Monroe and is the\xa0\nauthor of a three-volume series'}, {'start': '116.160', 'end': '125.440', 'text': 'of books describing a theory of everything\ncalled My Big Toe. Tom is also the originator'}, {'start': '125.440', 'end': '135.200', 'text': "of an internet experience called Tom's Park,\nwhich is an opportunity for people to enter"}, {'start': '135.200', 'end': '141.920', 'text': 'experientially into the theory that he has\ndeveloped. Welcome, Tom.'}, {'start': '141.920', 'end': '147.600', 'text': "Thank you. It's my pleasure to be here.\nIt's a pleasure to be with you. People have"}, {'start': '147.600', 'end': '154.160', 'text': 'been asking me to interview you since I first\nstarted this YouTube channel 10 years ago.'}, {'start': '154.160', 'end': '160.640', 'text': "I'm delighted that the opportunity has come\nnot only to do it, but to do it here face to face."}, {'start': '160.640', 'end': '167.200', 'text': "It's so convenient that we find out, you and\xa0\nI, that we are neighbors. We're only probably"}, {'start': '167.200', 'end': '170.720', 'text': 'a mile apart or so.\nAt least for a brief period.'}, {'start': '170.720', 'end': '175.680', 'text': 'At least for a brief period.\nIt seems that you and I were both exposed to'}, {'start': '175.680', 'end': '181.040', 'text': 'the work of Robert Monroe around the same\nyear, 1972.'}, {'start': '181.040', 'end': '188.160', 'text': 'Yes. I met Bob at the very beginning of that\xa0\nyear, maybe even late 71. That was a long'}, {'start': '188.160', 'end': '195.040', 'text': 'time ago. That was about the time that myself\xa0\nand a bunch of the people I worked with went'}, {'start': '195.040', 'end': '202.240', 'text': 'out to see Bob Monroe. My reason for going\xa0\nout to see Bob was to see whether he was for'}, {'start': '202.240', 'end': '209.920', 'text': 'real or whether he was just trying to sell\xa0\nbooks. Was he the real deal or something else?'}, {'start': '209.920', 'end': '217.440', 'text': "Because I'd had an experience of something\xa0\nthat was unusual, being able to solve certain"}, {'start': '217.440', 'end': '225.120', 'text': "problems in consciousness that I couldn't have\xa0\nsolved nearly so easily in an awake state."}, {'start': '225.120', 'end': '232.160', 'text': 'So that kind of primed me for Robert Monroe.\xa0\nI already knew that there was something else'}, {'start': '232.160', 'end': '237.200', 'text': 'going on that was important and very significant\xa0\nthat was outside of the physical world.'}, {'start': '237.200', 'end': '244.560', 'text': 'But at the same time, you were working as a\xa0\nphysicist and I assume you were largely holding'}, {'start': '244.560', 'end': '248.800', 'text': 'the mindset of a conventional\xa0\nphysicist being materialism.'}, {'start': '248.800', 'end': '255.200', 'text': 'Yeah, absolutely. Well, probably it was a\xa0\nyear or two before I met Bob Monroe that I'}, {'start': '255.200', 'end': '261.040', 'text': 'had that experience. Actually, it was debugging\xa0\nsoftware in my mind in a meditation state.'}, {'start': '262.640', 'end': '271.360', 'text': 'It was such a powerful experience that that\xa0\nkind of shocked me out of the usual physicist'}, {'start': '271.360', 'end': '277.840', 'text': "viewpoint of reality, which is called an\xa0\noperational definition of reality, as it's"}, {'start': '277.840', 'end': '282.160', 'text': "titled. What that means is that if you can't\xa0\nperform an operation on it, if you can't measure"}, {'start': '282.160', 'end': '288.160', 'text': "it, if you can't weigh it, if you can't physically\xa0\ninteract with it, then it either doesn't exist"}, {'start': '288.160', 'end': '292.400', 'text': "or if it does, it's irrelevant. Because if\xa0\nyou can't interact with it, then what good"}, {'start': '292.400', 'end': '298.320', 'text': "would its existence be? So that's typically\xa0\nwhat physicists today also believe. It's this"}, {'start': '298.320', 'end': '305.600', 'text': 'operational definition of reality. But when I\xa0\nhad that experience where I could bring up my'}, {'start': '305.600', 'end': '312.960', 'text': 'code, how that code is laid out in long, long\xa0\npieces of paper all attached to each other,'}, {'start': '312.960', 'end': '319.360', 'text': 'and I just scrolled it by and I found the\xa0\ncards, this was back in punch card days,'}, {'start': '319.360', 'end': '324.800', 'text': 'that the cards that had errors on them would\xa0\nstand out to me. They would change color,'}, {'start': '324.800', 'end': '331.440', 'text': 'they would be colored red and the rest would\xa0\nbe the normal kind of color. So I thought,'}, {'start': '331.440', 'end': '335.840', 'text': "well, that's kind of silly. Let's see how that\xa0\nworks. And I went up and checked my cards and"}, {'start': '335.840', 'end': '342.800', 'text': 'sure enough, that cards that were red were\xa0\nthe cards that had problems on it. So I said,'}, {'start': '342.800', 'end': '349.760', 'text': "wow, what a coincidence when you're a physicist,\xa0\nit's hard to get out of that mindset. So I did"}, {'start': '349.760', 'end': '357.440', 'text': 'more of it. And it was clear that I was getting\xa0\ninformation that was otherwise unknowable.'}, {'start': '357.440', 'end': '365.040', 'text': 'For instance, in those days, one of the errors\xa0\nthat would bomb your job was a key punch error.'}, {'start': '365.600', 'end': '369.920', 'text': "So the hole wasn't exactly where it was supposed\xa0\nto be. It was a half of a millimeter, you know,"}, {'start': '369.920', 'end': '375.840', 'text': "too far this way or that. And there really\xa0\nwasn't any way to see that. Looking at it,"}, {'start': '375.840', 'end': '381.600', 'text': 'it all looked perfectly correct. And it\xa0\ntold me about some of those errors as well.'}, {'start': '381.600', 'end': '388.000', 'text': "That card would be red. I'd go up and check it\xa0\nand say, ah, okay, a problem. This didn't work."}, {'start': '388.000', 'end': '394.000', 'text': "This card's perfectly fine. But my job still\xa0\nbombed. So I went back to that card, pulled it"}, {'start': '394.000', 'end': '400.160', 'text': 'out, retyped it and the card punch got a new card\xa0\nand it worked fine. Now when you say the card was'}, {'start': '400.160', 'end': '406.800', 'text': 'red, was it actually red or was this a visual\xa0\nexperience? This was a visual experience. The'}, {'start': '406.800', 'end': '413.600', 'text': 'cards were all manila, you know, the same color as\xa0\na manila follower. And in those days, that was the'}, {'start': '413.600', 'end': '419.200', 'text': "only interface to computers. So there's something\xa0\nabout your own consciousness that was, or your"}, {'start': '419.200', 'end': '424.960', 'text': "subconscious one might say, giving you additional\xa0\ninformation. Right. But it was information I'd"}, {'start': '424.960', 'end': '431.120', 'text': 'ask for. I was sitting there and like most\xa0\ntechnical people, I work all the time, which'}, {'start': '431.120', 'end': '434.800', 'text': "means even when I'm not supposed to be working\xa0\nand I'm supposed to be doing something else,"}, {'start': '434.800', 'end': '440.560', 'text': "the problems are still in my head and I'm still\xa0\nthinking about them. So I was doing meditation"}, {'start': '440.560', 'end': '447.120', 'text': "and I happened to think, I wonder why my job's\xa0\nbombing. What's wrong? I've been over those"}, {'start': '447.120', 'end': '452.720', 'text': "cards and over those cards and I can't find\xa0\nwhat's wrong. I wonder what the problem is."}, {'start': '452.720', 'end': '460.960', 'text': "And then there it was. There's my printouts,\xa0\nwhich I, you know, I was also the programmer."}, {'start': '460.960', 'end': '467.440', 'text': 'I programmed the whole thing. So I was intimately,\xa0\nyou know, knowledgeable about every line,'}, {'start': '467.440', 'end': '473.120', 'text': 'every semicolon, every, you know, every letter\xa0\nthere. So I looked at it and then one card just'}, {'start': '473.120', 'end': '477.760', 'text': "stood out. It's red. And I looked a little\xa0\nmore. Another card stood out with the color. So"}, {'start': '477.760', 'end': '482.880', 'text': 'these were just colors to differentiate\xa0\nthose cards from the other cards.'}, {'start': '482.880', 'end': '488.800', 'text': 'And I found out then just from trial and error\xa0\nthat those were the ones that had errors on them'}, {'start': '488.800', 'end': '493.040', 'text': "and it worked. So I played with\xa0\nit. You know, I'm a scientist."}, {'start': '493.040', 'end': '498.080', 'text': "I want to understand how reality\nworks. And after, I don't know,"}, {'start': '498.080', 'end': '503.040', 'text': 'after some months of playing with\xa0\nit, I realized that the operational'}, {'start': '503.040', 'end': '512.240', 'text': 'definition of reality was lacking, that there\xa0\nwas another part of reality that was beyond'}, {'start': '512.240', 'end': '518.480', 'text': "the physical. It's something that you couldn't\xa0\nmeasure. It wasn't measurable. It was all mental."}, {'start': '518.480', 'end': '524.400', 'text': "It was in mind space. And that there was another\xa0\nwhole part of reality that I didn't know anything"}, {'start': '524.400', 'end': '531.200', 'text': "about. And as a physicist, my job is to model\xa0\nreality. That's what physics does. We try to model"}, {'start': '531.200', 'end': '538.400', 'text': "reality. So it was a big aha moment to me\xa0\nto say, oh, there's a lot more to reality"}, {'start': '538.400', 'end': '544.800', 'text': 'than I thought. I wonder how I could model that,\xa0\nhow I could understand it. How does it work?'}, {'start': '544.800', 'end': '548.240', 'text': "Because it obviously wasn't\xa0\nrandom. There was logic"}, {'start': '548.240', 'end': '555.840', 'text': "involved. I didn't just get random things. I got\nvery precise things, things that were unknowable,"}, {'start': '555.840', 'end': '564.800', 'text': "a card hole, you know, punch hole that wasn't\nprecisely lined up. And that isn't something"}, {'start': '564.800', 'end': '572.080', 'text': 'that really could be known even by looking at it.\nThey just got eliminated by, you know, that was,'}, {'start': '572.080', 'end': '577.200', 'text': 'you know, you just started retyping cards because\nyou knew there could be a problem. So you just'}, {'start': '577.200', 'end': '584.640', 'text': 'would make new cards until the deck would work.\nSo you had a reason to visit Robert Monroe at that'}, {'start': '584.640', 'end': '591.360', 'text': "point. Well, I did, but I didn't know anything\nabout Robert Monroe at that point. Another"}, {'start': '591.360', 'end': '595.680', 'text': 'year later, after that, I got\xa0\nsome pretty good reputation'}, {'start': '595.680', 'end': '602.240', 'text': "for being able to debug code and a lot of, would\xa0\nyou help me debug my code? But I didn't want to"}, {'start': '602.240', 'end': '607.280', 'text': "talk about it because you don't talk about those\xa0\nthings in a physics community. So I kept it pretty"}, {'start': '607.280', 'end': '614.880', 'text': "much to myself. So I take this job and my boss\xa0\ncomes in. I'd only been there for like, I don't"}, {'start': '614.880', 'end': '621.040', 'text': "know, a few weeks. I was very new in the office.\xa0\nAnd he tosses Robert Monroe's book to me and says,"}, {'start': '621.040', 'end': '628.240', 'text': 'Tom, read this book and tell me what you think\xa0\nof it. So he said that was Bill Yost. He was the'}, {'start': '628.240', 'end': '634.720', 'text': 'branch manager of where I work\xa0\nand changed my life. So I said,'}, {'start': '634.720', 'end': '638.880', 'text': "okay. And I read the book over the next\nweek and I said, well, here's what I think."}, {'start': '638.880', 'end': '644.320', 'text': "If this guy's telling the truth, if he really did\nexperience that, then wow, there's a whole bigger"}, {'start': '644.320', 'end': '649.120', 'text': "set of reality, which I knew from my experience\nthat existed. So that's why I was so open"}, {'start': '649.120', 'end': '652.160', 'text': "to it. There's another whole\xa0\nbunch of reality that I don't"}, {'start': '652.160', 'end': '657.920', 'text': "know anything about. If that's the case, we need\xa0\nto connect with this guy and talk to him more."}, {'start': '657.920', 'end': '663.760', 'text': "I said, on the other hand, maybe he just trying\xa0\nto sell books and make some money. Maybe it's just"}, {'start': '663.760', 'end': '670.240', 'text': "write something really fanciful and far out and\xa0\nyou'll sell books that way. I didn't know which"}, {'start': '670.240', 'end': '677.600', 'text': "way it would be until about, I don't know,\xa0\nmaybe a month later, my boss came in and said,"}, {'start': '677.600', 'end': '684.560', 'text': "we found Bob Monroe. He doesn't live that far\xa0\naway. We talked to him and we're all invited out"}, {'start': '684.560', 'end': '692.560', 'text': 'to his house. Do you want to come? I said,\xa0\nabsolutely. So a bunch of us, maybe two cars,'}, {'start': '692.560', 'end': '699.520', 'text': "maybe four or five, six people in each car. It\xa0\nwas jammed, full. We all went out to Bob Monroe's"}, {'start': '699.520', 'end': '707.120', 'text': 'and that was the first time I met Bob. So\xa0\nmy viewpoint there was, is this guy for real'}, {'start': '707.120', 'end': '715.600', 'text': 'or is this guy just a clever, hocus pocus guy\xa0\nwanting to get some money? I met him and he was'}, {'start': '715.600', 'end': '724.160', 'text': "very straightforward. He acted actually and had\xa0\nthe demeanor of an engineer. I don't think he"}, {'start': '724.160', 'end': '728.080', 'text': 'actually was an engineer by\xa0\ntraining. He was in radio and'}, {'start': '728.080', 'end': '731.600', 'text': 'other things, but he acted like-\nHe was an entrepreneur basically.'}, {'start': '731.600', 'end': '737.040', 'text': 'Yeah, he was an entrepreneur and at that\xa0\ntime he was just starting a cable company,'}, {'start': '737.040', 'end': '743.920', 'text': 'Jefferson Cable in Charlottesville,\xa0\nVirginia. So he got there first. So'}, {'start': '743.920', 'end': '748.000', 'text': 'all of Charlottesville was his for the\npicking for cable and cable was a brand'}, {'start': '748.000', 'end': '754.880', 'text': 'new thing in that time. So he was well-to-do.\nAnd as I approached his property in this car with'}, {'start': '754.880', 'end': '762.000', 'text': "all the others, I noticed the, I don't know,\nquarter of a mile of whiteboard fence,"}, {'start': '762.000', 'end': '770.400', 'text': "the pastures, the lake, the big house on the hill\nand said, this guy doesn't need to sell books."}, {'start': '771.200', 'end': '777.200', 'text': 'This guy is not trying to sell, you know.\nHe was very well-to-do gentleman.'}, {'start': '777.200', 'end': '786.480', 'text': 'Lived on about 500 acres, had a tenant farmer who\xa0\ndid farming for him and had a beautiful house with'}, {'start': '786.480', 'end': '792.960', 'text': 'a beautiful view out in the Virginia countryside.\xa0\nHe was a well-to-do Virginia gentleman.'}, {'start': '792.960', 'end': '802.480', 'text': 'In my case, I knew that he was legitimate because\xa0\nin 1973 I was a graduate student in parapsychology'}, {'start': '802.480', 'end': '807.680', 'text': 'working with. Charlie Tart was one of my\xa0\ndissertation committee members who had done'}, {'start': '807.680', 'end': '815.120', 'text': 'research with Bob Monroe showing that in the outer\xa0\nbody state he was able to read numbers that were'}, {'start': '815.120', 'end': '821.280', 'text': 'on a shelf up above that could only\xa0\nbe seen by floating up to the ceiling.'}, {'start': '821.280', 'end': '827.440', 'text': 'Yes. Yeah, I heard about Charlie Tart. I think\xa0\nwhat happened is that when Bob first had these'}, {'start': '827.440', 'end': '833.360', 'text': "outer bodies, they frightened him. He didn't\xa0\nknow whether he was going insane or what was"}, {'start': '833.360', 'end': '839.280', 'text': 'happening with him. Maybe he had a brain tumor.\xa0\nHe had no idea and Charlie was one of the people'}, {'start': '839.280', 'end': '847.760', 'text': 'that he consulted with to see whether or not he\xa0\nhad some physiological problem or whether his'}, {'start': '847.760', 'end': '853.520', 'text': 'sanity was solid or what. So he got then\xa0\nconnected with Charlie and they did some'}, {'start': '853.520', 'end': '859.600', 'text': "experiments and things together. Then Charlie\xa0\nbecame a good friend of Bob's and they did do some"}, {'start': '859.600', 'end': '866.640', 'text': "experiments. I heard about that from Bob but\xa0\nI don't think I've ever really met Charlie."}, {'start': '866.640', 'end': '873.920', 'text': 'Charlie died about a month ago. As a matter of\xa0\nfact, I believe it was just a few days before'}, {'start': '873.920', 'end': '880.800', 'text': 'you and I met. How about that? We\xa0\nwill be publishing a book soon with'}, {'start': '880.800', 'end': '887.120', 'text': '16 of my interviews with Charlie.\nNeat. Working with Bob, he put the'}, {'start': '887.120', 'end': '894.320', 'text': 'phrase out of body experience on the map.\nHe did. I guess I can forgive him for'}, {'start': '894.320', 'end': '901.600', 'text': "that. Out of body is just not the right term.\nIt's the way most people think of it. They think"}, {'start': '901.600', 'end': '906.880', 'text': 'that their consciousness is inside their body\nor their spirit or their soul, whichever they want'}, {'start': '906.880', 'end': '912.400', 'text': 'to say, and that it somehow comes out of the body\nand then moves around in the non-physical world'}, {'start': '912.400', 'end': '920.320', 'text': "and so on. But it's not like that. It's not that\nthis spirit lives inside your body. It's not that"}, {'start': '920.320', 'end': '926.000', 'text': 'way at all. To be more accurate, you would have to\nsay that not that you get out of your body but'}, {'start': '926.000', 'end': '928.720', 'text': 'that you get out of your\xa0\nmind. But that has another'}, {'start': '928.720', 'end': '934.640', 'text': "connotation that isn't very helpful, being out of\xa0\nyour mind. But you're already out of your body,"}, {'start': '934.640', 'end': '943.200', 'text': "your consciousness. So the body in my world is an\xa0\navatar, a body that's computed, and consciousness"}, {'start': '943.200', 'end': '950.960', 'text': "is what's real and fundamental. So in that case,\xa0\nout of body just is the wrong way to look at it."}, {'start': '950.960', 'end': '957.920', 'text': "But it's the natural way that people look at\xa0\nit. It's kind of the obvious way that people"}, {'start': '957.920', 'end': '964.880', 'text': 'look at it. Would it be fair to say that rather\xa0\nthan the consciousness being inside the brain,'}, {'start': '964.880', 'end': '972.000', 'text': 'the brain is inside of consciousness? Yes.\xa0\nWell, the brain in my model is just computed'}, {'start': '972.000', 'end': '979.440', 'text': "whenever somebody cuts open or looks inside of a\xa0\nskull. Other than that, it's not even computed."}, {'start': '979.440', 'end': '986.400', 'text': 'All of the memory, all of the processing, the\xa0\nthinking and so on is all done by consciousness.'}, {'start': '986.400', 'end': '994.560', 'text': 'And consciousness is fundamental. And in my\xa0\nworld view, you are a piece of consciousness,'}, {'start': '994.560', 'end': '1000.480', 'text': "not a body. And you are making all the\xa0\nchoices. You're the player of this avatar."}, {'start': '1001.520', 'end': '1007.520', 'text': 'And just like in, you know, virtual reality\xa0\ngames where the player makes all the decisions'}, {'start': '1007.520', 'end': '1010.000', 'text': "and all the choices for the\xa0\nplayer and the player's just"}, {'start': '1010.000', 'end': '1014.560', 'text': "computed eye candy so that you can see\nwhat's going on on the board and who's interacting"}, {'start': '1014.560', 'end': '1020.880', 'text': "with who. That's the way it is here. So you're a\npiece of consciousness making all the choices for"}, {'start': '1020.880', 'end': '1027.280', 'text': "your avatar, a physical body. And there's a good\nreason why that is and a good reason for,"}, {'start': '1027.280', 'end': '1030.560', 'text': 'you know, why that came about\xa0\nand how it was done and so on.'}, {'start': '1030.560', 'end': '1035.680', 'text': 'We can get into that later. But more about, you\xa0\nknow, Bob Monroe first. Well, I should let our'}, {'start': '1035.680', 'end': '1038.800', 'text': "viewers know that while\xa0\nyou're here in Albuquerque,"}, {'start': '1038.800', 'end': '1044.000', 'text': "we plan to do a lengthy series of interviews\nwhere we're going to go into real depth"}, {'start': '1044.000', 'end': '1050.800', 'text': "on your theory of everything,\xa0\nyour Big Toe, and we'll revisit"}, {'start': '1050.800', 'end': '1059.600', 'text': 'this idea probably many times along the way. So,\xa0\nmy goal is that after we complete this series of'}, {'start': '1059.600', 'end': '1066.960', 'text': 'probably about nine hours or more of interviews\xa0\nthat our viewers will have a good sense of'}, {'start': '1066.960', 'end': '1075.360', 'text': "what my Big Toe is all about. Yeah, well that's\xa0\ngood because it's such a drastic paradigm shift."}, {'start': '1075.360', 'end': '1080.240', 'text': "It's way further than any other paradigm\xa0\nshift that we've ever gone through. I mean,"}, {'start': '1080.240', 'end': '1085.360', 'text': "we went through a paradigm shift and the earth\xa0\nwasn't really at the center of the universe."}, {'start': '1085.360', 'end': '1088.800', 'text': "The earth wasn't really flat\xa0\nand all of these were paradigm"}, {'start': '1088.800', 'end': '1095.840', 'text': 'shifts that took hundreds of years to kind\nshift in the general population, you know, their'}, {'start': '1095.840', 'end': '1102.080', 'text': 'viewpoint of reality. And this paradigm shift is\nprobably 10 times larger than both of those put'}, {'start': '1102.080', 'end': '1110.800', 'text': "together. So, it's a really big reach. But once\nyou understand it, it simplifies everything and"}, {'start': '1110.800', 'end': '1117.680', 'text': 'all of the paradoxes in science, paradoxes in\nphilosophy, paradoxes in psychology, even,'}, {'start': '1117.680', 'end': '1120.720', 'text': 'you know, some new ideas in\xa0\nmathematics, you know, just fall'}, {'start': '1120.720', 'end': '1129.520', 'text': 'out of it and it really solves a lot of problems.\xa0\nSo, if you look at it just from its ability to'}, {'start': '1129.520', 'end': '1135.200', 'text': "solve problems, then it's a very good model. If\xa0\nyou look at it from how easy is it to comprehend"}, {'start': '1135.200', 'end': '1143.600', 'text': "and get your mind wrapped around it, it's a\xa0\ntough one. It's hard to do. The benefit for"}, {'start': '1143.600', 'end': '1150.800', 'text': "our viewers for us talking about Robert Monroe\xa0\nis we're starting out with paranormal experiences"}, {'start': '1150.800', 'end': '1157.760', 'text': 'and it seems that one of the most difficult\xa0\nproblems that intellectuals of any sort face today'}, {'start': '1157.760', 'end': '1162.880', 'text': 'is coming to terms with the paranormal. So, I\xa0\nthought that would be a good starting point.'}, {'start': '1162.880', 'end': '1169.680', 'text': 'That is a good starting point. The paranormal\xa0\nhappens only through the intuitive side.'}, {'start': '1169.680', 'end': '1176.080', 'text': "It doesn't take place in the intellectual side\xa0\nand that's a difficult point for many people to"}, {'start': '1176.080', 'end': '1179.040', 'text': 'get. They think that the paranormal\xa0\nought to be just like the normal.'}, {'start': '1179.040', 'end': '1182.720', 'text': 'You ought to be able to test in the same way.\nYou ought to be able to hold a measuring stick'}, {'start': '1182.720', 'end': '1189.920', 'text': 'up to it. If it works that way, it should always\nwork that way, you know. In the physical world,'}, {'start': '1189.920', 'end': '1192.880', 'text': 'any researcher can perform\xa0\nthat experiment anywhere'}, {'start': '1192.880', 'end': '1200.000', 'text': "and it has to be the same. Well, in the intuitive\xa0\nspace, that's not the case. So, that makes these"}, {'start': '1200.000', 'end': '1203.200', 'text': 'paranormal things not only\xa0\nnot normal but of a whole'}, {'start': '1203.200', 'end': '1209.280', 'text': "different class altogether and it's difficult\nfor a lot of scientists and other people to kind"}, {'start': '1209.280', 'end': '1217.440', 'text': 'of get that difference. It has to take place on\nthe intuitive side. So, the consciousness has two'}, {'start': '1218.480', 'end': '1224.000', 'text': "pathways, not quite the right word, two different\nways of processing information. That's a better"}, {'start': '1224.000', 'end': '1227.520', 'text': 'term and one of those ways\xa0\nof processing is through'}, {'start': '1227.520', 'end': '1234.560', 'text': 'the intellect and the intellect has this tool\xa0\ncalled logic and logic is wonderful if you have'}, {'start': '1234.560', 'end': '1240.800', 'text': 'enough information but as everyone knows, logic\xa0\ndepends on a great deal of information. You not'}, {'start': '1240.800', 'end': '1244.240', 'text': "only have your, you know,\xa0\nyour premise, what you're"}, {'start': '1244.240', 'end': '1250.480', 'text': 'trying to do but you have a lot of if this then\nthat and if that then something else and you have'}, {'start': '1250.480', 'end': '1256.800', 'text': 'this chain and you have to understand all of that\nand you have to have information about that before'}, {'start': '1256.800', 'end': '1265.520', 'text': "you can really be logical. I'm talking about\ndeductive logic, okay? So, though we feel like"}, {'start': '1265.520', 'end': '1273.040', 'text': 'we are logical people and logical beings,\nwe are not nearly as logical as we think'}, {'start': '1273.040', 'end': '1280.800', 'text': "because there's just requires too much information\nand all the real important questions in life like"}, {'start': '1280.800', 'end': '1286.000', 'text': 'who should I marry? 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So, we have this"}, {'start': '1360.240', 'end': '1367.040', 'text': 'logical side with a great tool but very ratty\xa0\ninformation and over on the intuitive side'}, {'start': '1367.040', 'end': '1374.160', 'text': "you've got no logic at all but you have\xa0\nthis all this information but a ratty tool"}, {'start': '1374.160', 'end': '1382.560', 'text': 'to access it and I call it a ratty tool because\xa0\nit depends on your attitude, your state of mind,'}, {'start': '1382.560', 'end': '1390.080', 'text': "your beliefs. There's just a whole lot of things\xa0\nthat it depends on and you may be able to access"}, {'start': '1390.080', 'end': '1395.280', 'text': "that information now and an hour from now you\xa0\ncan't. It may have happened last week but you"}, {'start': '1395.280', 'end': '1402.240', 'text': "can't repeat it again. So, that's why I call it\xa0\na ratty tool. So, it's not that kind of a tool"}, {'start': '1402.240', 'end': '1409.440', 'text': 'like a screwdriver. It always works the same\xa0\nway all the time everywhere. This is a tool'}, {'start': '1409.440', 'end': '1416.480', 'text': 'that is your awareness, your consciousness\xa0\nand your state of mind which changes'}, {'start': '1416.480', 'end': '1423.520', 'text': 'for many people minute to minute but certainly\xa0\nday to day puts you in a totally different'}, {'start': '1423.520', 'end': '1430.160', 'text': "space and a different way of connecting with that\xa0\ninformation. So, you've got the intuitive tool,"}, {'start': '1430.160', 'end': '1436.400', 'text': "lots and lots of information but a real ratty\xa0\ntool to pick it up that's very problematic and"}, {'start': '1436.400', 'end': '1440.960', 'text': "sometimes works sometimes doesn't and on the\xa0\nother side you've got almost no information"}, {'start': '1440.960', 'end': '1446.800', 'text': "but this wonderful tool called logic that can\xa0\njust precisely do almost anything. 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It's just"}, {'start': '1481.440', 'end': '1487.600', 'text': "something that you've learned how to do that\xa0\nyou can sometimes control and you don't really"}, {'start': '1487.600', 'end': '1496.720', 'text': "understand it either so you can't explain it\xa0\nto anybody else. So, those are the problems"}, {'start': '1498.080', 'end': '1505.360', 'text': 'that you have. Well, I gather that in your work\xa0\nwith Robert Monroe you cultivated an even more'}, {'start': '1505.360', 'end': '1515.920', 'text': 'pronounced intuitive faculty. I did. You need\xa0\nto develop both. As a physicist my left brain,'}, {'start': '1515.920', 'end': '1523.120', 'text': "my logical side, I had honed as much as I possibly\xa0\ncould because that's the tool that you need to do"}, {'start': '1523.120', 'end': '1533.680', 'text': 'physics. My right brain, I came into the world a\xa0\nright brain dominant person. 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I put myself\xa0\ninto a trance and because it was boring and long'}, {'start': '1584.160', 'end': '1590.720', 'text': 'trip so I would just drop out and come back when\xa0\nit was done and I had an intuitive sense that'}, {'start': '1590.720', 'end': '1595.840', 'text': 'I could affect things with my mind and with my\xa0\nintent and I would practice things like making'}, {'start': '1595.840', 'end': '1600.320', 'text': 'the lights turn green when my father who was\xa0\ndriving the car got to the light that it would'}, {'start': '1600.320', 'end': '1606.560', 'text': 'turn green and I could sometimes get like six,\xa0\nseven, eight lights in a row that were green so'}, {'start': '1606.560', 'end': '1612.480', 'text': 'I just knew that that was something that could be\xa0\ndone so I came in very right-brained and intuitive'}, {'start': '1612.480', 'end': '1619.200', 'text': 'but I soon realized that what I needed to do was\xa0\nto become more balanced and I needed to work on'}, {'start': '1620.320', 'end': '1627.840', 'text': "that left brain, that logical side and I didn't\xa0\nfind it easy. When I was in high school I found"}, {'start': '1627.840', 'end': '1635.520', 'text': 'the mathematics to be difficult because it was too\xa0\nmuch process so I worked on it and worked on it'}, {'start': '1635.520', 'end': '1641.920', 'text': "and eventually by the time I'm in graduate school\xa0\nin physics it was easy. I got to the point that"}, {'start': '1641.920', 'end': '1647.440', 'text': 'math was simple. It was easy. It was just\xa0\nrules. All you had to do is learn the rules and'}, {'start': '1648.320', 'end': '1653.760', 'text': "it wasn't all that hard. You could understand\xa0\nwhat it was doing and what it wasn't doing."}, {'start': '1653.760', 'end': '1657.040', 'text': 'I want to highlight what you\xa0\njust said because I recall'}, {'start': '1657.040', 'end': '1664.160', 'text': "at the end of the third volume of your three\nvolume set you say there's one important lesson"}, {'start': '1664.160', 'end': '1669.920', 'text': 'that you want to share with people which is if\nthey work hard and apply themselves they can'}, {'start': '1669.920', 'end': '1677.120', 'text': 'accomplish things. Yes, indeed you can but you\nhave to understand that you have to accomplish'}, {'start': '1677.120', 'end': '1682.240', 'text': 'things in both sides. You need to accomplish\nthings on the intellectual side and most people'}, {'start': '1682.240', 'end': '1688.000', 'text': 'in our culture spend their whole lives honing\nthat intellectual side. They read, they study,'}, {'start': '1688.000', 'end': '1695.600', 'text': 'they grow but on the intuitive side most people\nin our culture peaked in their ability to use the'}, {'start': '1695.600', 'end': '1700.640', 'text': "intuitive side when they were say three years old\nand it's been deteriorating ever since. Downhill"}, {'start': '1700.640', 'end': '1706.880', 'text': "and it's gotten to the point where people in the\nintellectual community denigrate intuition."}, {'start': '1706.880', 'end': '1715.840', 'text': 'Exactly, exactly. Now the person who has developed\nboth is a balanced person. What happens is that if'}, {'start': '1715.840', 'end': '1723.920', 'text': "you're dominantly logical, you're dominantly\nleft brain, that left brain jumps in to your"}, {'start': '1723.920', 'end': '1730.080', 'text': "efforts to work with your intuition and gets in\nthe way. You know, you're trying to talk to your"}, {'start': '1730.080', 'end': '1734.640', 'text': 'dead uncle Fred and you say, dead uncle Fred,\nare you out there? And then you hear this voice,'}, {'start': '1734.640', 'end': '1740.560', 'text': 'yes, hello. And your intellect jumps in and says,\noh did you just make that up? Did you hear that?'}, {'start': '1740.560', 'end': '1746.560', 'text': "Where did that come from? And now your intellect\nhas jumped in to solve the problem and it's gone."}, {'start': '1746.560', 'end': '1755.280', 'text': "The intuitive side withers, disappears and you're\nleft with nothing. So to get balanced though,"}, {'start': '1755.280', 'end': '1760.880', 'text': "well let me say the opposite too. If you're\xa0\nvery right brained and have no logical side,"}, {'start': '1760.880', 'end': '1766.720', 'text': "hen you can't function very well in\xa0\nthis world. This world requires you"}, {'start': '1766.720', 'end': '1772.240', 'text': 'to be intellectual. It requires you to think. It\xa0\nrequires you to follow directions. It requires'}, {'start': '1772.240', 'end': '1777.920', 'text': 'you to understand how things work. It requires\xa0\nyou to change the oil in your car. You know,'}, {'start': '1777.920', 'end': '1783.680', 'text': "there's things you have to keep track of. So\xa0\nthe best way to be is extremely right brain and"}, {'start': '1783.680', 'end': '1791.040', 'text': 'extremely left brain at the same time. And then\xa0\nwhat happens is they work together as partners'}, {'start': '1791.040', 'end': '1798.800', 'text': "because when you're mostly right brain and\xa0\nintuitive, your intuition kind of refuses logic."}, {'start': '1798.800', 'end': '1803.280', 'text': "It looks at logic and says, that's too cumbersome.\xa0\nI can just skip all that and go to the answer. I"}, {'start': '1803.280', 'end': '1810.640', 'text': "don't need to go through all that stuff and\xa0\nvice versa. Your intellect throws out, you know,"}, {'start': '1810.640', 'end': '1814.800', 'text': 'the intuition. So the two fight\xa0\nwith each other for dominance.'}, {'start': '1814.800', 'end': '1820.400', 'text': 'Once you have them both about equal,\nthen they cooperate. And now your left'}, {'start': '1820.400', 'end': '1825.600', 'text': 'brain gets the information, passes it over to the,\nI mean your right brain gets the information,'}, {'start': '1825.600', 'end': '1830.880', 'text': 'passes it over to the left brain to do some\nanalysis, back over to the right brain to get'}, {'start': '1830.880', 'end': '1836.480', 'text': 'more information that you need for the analysis.\nAnd the two just pass the thing back and forth to'}, {'start': '1836.480', 'end': '1840.960', 'text': "where you now live in a whole brain world\nwhere you're not out of balance,"}, {'start': '1840.960', 'end': '1845.120', 'text': "you're in balance. And the two\xa0\nhalves of your mind work together"}, {'start': '1845.120', 'end': '1851.040', 'text': 'very well as teammates rather than\xa0\nas one trying to dominate the other.'}, {'start': '1851.040', 'end': '1858.640', 'text': 'So back to your visit with Robert Monroe, we\xa0\nhave you driving out there to Whistlefield'}, {'start': '1858.640', 'end': '1866.160', 'text': 'Road to his farm in two cars, but eventually\xa0\nyou became more of a permanent fixture.'}, {'start': '1866.160', 'end': '1873.200', 'text': 'I did, yes. Bob Monroe took a bunch of us up\xa0\nto his lab, which was just an empty building,'}, {'start': '1873.200', 'end': '1879.360', 'text': 'had really nothing in it but just sheetrock\xa0\non the walls and a roof. And he said,'}, {'start': '1879.360', 'end': '1885.520', 'text': "I have this lab. I want to study consciousness.\xa0\nI want to understand what's happened to me. I"}, {'start': '1885.520', 'end': '1892.080', 'text': "want to understand this outer body. And I'm\xa0\nlooking for some scientists. And we were all"}, {'start': '1892.080', 'end': '1898.400', 'text': 'scientists. This is what our job was. So we were\xa0\nall scientists and mathematicians and engineers'}, {'start': '1898.400', 'end': '1905.200', 'text': "and so on. So he said, would any of you like\xa0\nto participate? And because I'd been a student"}, {'start': '1905.200', 'end': '1911.200', 'text': 'all my life, my hand shot up in the air. And the\xa0\nguy behind me was just a few years older than I'}, {'start': '1911.200', 'end': '1921.120', 'text': 'was. And both of us had had experiences that were\xa0\nnot part of this reality. So we were very curious.'}, {'start': '1921.120', 'end': '1926.160', 'text': 'And we wanted to spend time studying these\xa0\nphenomena because we were interested in them.'}, {'start': '1926.160', 'end': '1931.120', 'text': 'So we raised our hands. He determined that I\xa0\nwas a physicist. The other guy was an electrical'}, {'start': '1931.120', 'end': '1937.520', 'text': "engineer. And he said, OK. And then, oh, I\xa0\ndon't know, a month later, Bob went off on a"}, {'start': '1937.520', 'end': '1942.320', 'text': 'trip someplace. And when he came back, we\xa0\nstarted going to the lab. And after that,'}, {'start': '1942.320', 'end': '1947.520', 'text': 'we were coming out there anywhere from 15 to\xa0\n20 hours a week. It was like a halftime job.'}, {'start': '1947.520', 'end': '1953.280', 'text': "And on weekends, we'd bring our families. And we'd\xa0\nput our children and our wives into the booth and"}, {'start': '1953.840', 'end': '1961.280', 'text': "so on. 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And I borrowed"}, {'start': '1995.040', 'end': '2001.920', 'text': 'some stuff from the physics lab at the university.\xa0\nAnd we put together some binaural beat tapes.'}, {'start': '2001.920', 'end': '2007.280', 'text': 'Dennis actually produced the first one. And we\xa0\nwent out to experiment. So we started with that.'}, {'start': '2007.280', 'end': '2012.880', 'text': 'It worked so well that when Bob came back from\xa0\nanother trip he was on, we told him about it.'}, {'start': '2012.880', 'end': '2017.440', 'text': 'He listened to them. And then we started bringing\xa0\neverybody else that we could grab hold of,'}, {'start': '2017.440', 'end': '2021.840', 'text': 'including our families, to listen to them, just\xa0\nto see what the effects were. And we found out'}, {'start': '2021.840', 'end': '2028.640', 'text': "that the effect was obvious on almost everyone.\xa0\nNow, they all didn't have the same reaction."}, {'start': '2028.640', 'end': '2033.200', 'text': 'Some people just instantly lost consciousness\xa0\nand would regain them when it was over,'}, {'start': '2033.200', 'end': '2042.560', 'text': 'when they later termed that clicking out. And\xa0\nsome people found them annoying. But most people'}, {'start': '2042.560', 'end': '2050.160', 'text': 'found that they had a very pleasant, drifting\xa0\naround, and barely conscious kind of a space.'}, {'start': '2050.160', 'end': '2057.120', 'text': 'And then they would often get pictures or connect\xa0\nwith, hear things, see things. And it obviously'}, {'start': '2057.120', 'end': '2063.840', 'text': 'was a step forward. So Bob then, well Dennis and\xa0\nI had played to optimize those binaural beats'}, {'start': '2063.840', 'end': '2069.280', 'text': 'before Bob got back. So we looked at different\xa0\nwaveforms. Mostly you get sinusoid when you'}, {'start': '2069.280', 'end': '2076.320', 'text': 'just get stuff off the shelf. But we did sawtooth\xa0\nwaves, triangle waves, every kind of waveform we'}, {'start': '2076.320', 'end': '2082.240', 'text': 'could find. We did different bass frequencies. We\xa0\ndid different beat frequencies. And after about'}, {'start': '2082.240', 'end': '2089.280', 'text': 'two weeks, spending probably more than 20 hours\xa0\nin the lab, those two weeks, we optimized what we'}, {'start': '2089.280', 'end': '2094.640', 'text': 'thought were great. Bob came back. We showed him\xa0\nthis. Bob got excited about it, tried it on lots'}, {'start': '2094.640', 'end': '2103.120', 'text': "of people. And Bob got the idea that this could be\xa0\na business. Let's define for our viewers who may"}, {'start': '2103.120', 'end': '2111.040', 'text': 'not know what we mean by binaural beats. 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And we found four hertz\xa0\nactually was something like 3.878 or something'}, {'start': '2219.520', 'end': '2226.560', 'text': 'like that, but really close to four hertz, that\xa0\nwas optimal for creating this state in which'}, {'start': '2226.560', 'end': '2235.040', 'text': 'your mind was open to other things. You let\xa0\ngo of the physical world. And by that, I mean,'}, {'start': '2235.040', 'end': '2240.480', 'text': "as you stop processing physical data, if you're\xa0\nlying on a bed and at the lab, there were water"}, {'start': '2240.480', 'end': '2247.440', 'text': 'beds and three booths in a row, and you get in\xa0\na water bed, and you stop feeling that you have'}, {'start': '2247.440', 'end': '2255.040', 'text': 'pressure on your back from the water bed mattress.\xa0\nYou stop processing noises that you could hear in'}, {'start': '2255.040', 'end': '2260.640', 'text': 'the lab and that you could hear outside. All that\xa0\nstuff just stopped. You ignored it. You ignored'}, {'start': '2260.640', 'end': '2266.400', 'text': "it to the point that it didn't exist. And you\xa0\nstarted to then have other kinds of information"}, {'start': '2266.400', 'end': '2272.560', 'text': "that would come to you when the information\xa0\nof your senses was turned off. And that's what"}, {'start': '2272.560', 'end': '2278.560', 'text': 'we were looking for. So we optimized that. Bob\xa0\nthought it was marvelous. He called up a lot of'}, {'start': '2278.560', 'end': '2285.040', 'text': "his friends and said, hey, we're going to do a\xa0\nlittle experiment. I'm going to show you some new"}, {'start': '2285.040', 'end': '2292.720', 'text': 'technology that works really great. And he rented\xa0\na whole hotel right at the base of the Blue Ridge'}, {'start': '2292.720', 'end': '2300.400', 'text': "Mountains. He didn't live that far from there.\xa0\nIt was a Tuckahoe Motel. 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And in another\xa0\nsix months after that, myself and Dennis and'}, {'start': '2339.600', 'end': '2346.160', 'text': "at that time, Nancy Lee Honeycutt, it's called\xa0\nScooter, was Bob's stepdaughter. And Dennis and"}, {'start': '2346.160', 'end': '2352.080', 'text': 'we were on a road. We were going to Boston.\xa0\nWe were going to California. We made this big'}, {'start': '2352.080', 'end': '2356.720', 'text': 'sound harness so we could play something.\xa0\nAnd a whole bunch of people would lie down on'}, {'start': '2356.720', 'end': '2363.280', 'text': 'little air mattresses and put on headphones.\xa0\nAnd we started to take the technology out.'}, {'start': '2363.280', 'end': '2371.200', 'text': 'And it was very popular. And I assume you as\xa0\nwell were experimenting personally. Oh, yes.'}, {'start': '2371.200', 'end': '2376.960', 'text': "Dennis and I would come up. Every time we were\xa0\nthere, it went like this. We'd go up. We'd work"}, {'start': '2376.960', 'end': '2381.920', 'text': "for about an hour, two hours, because we'd get\xa0\nthere like 6, 30, 7 o'clock right after dinner."}, {'start': '2381.920', 'end': '2388.240', 'text': 'And we would work there putting together\xa0\nequipment, putting in new equipment,'}, {'start': '2388.880', 'end': '2392.960', 'text': 'fixing up things so that we could do more. Maybe\xa0\nwe got an EEG that we could put on people. We'}, {'start': '2392.960', 'end': '2398.560', 'text': "wired that. So we'd work in the lab for a bit.\xa0\nThen Bob would come up. And we'd stop work. And"}, {'start': '2398.560', 'end': '2404.400', 'text': "we'd go get in the booths. And Bob would get into\xa0\nthe control booth. And he'd have often something"}, {'start': '2404.400', 'end': '2407.680', 'text': 'for us to do or things to\xa0\ntry. And most of the ideas'}, {'start': '2407.680', 'end': '2412.960', 'text': "were his ideas. Or he'd give just free reign.\nAt that time, there was only one focus, and that"}, {'start': '2412.960', 'end': '2418.960', 'text': 'was 10. And then eventually there was a 15. And\nthere was a 12. And then a 15. And then it started'}, {'start': '2418.960', 'end': '2424.800', 'text': "going up and up to higher numbers. But there's\nnothing magic about the focus points. They're just"}, {'start': '2424.800', 'end': '2432.000', 'text': 'random places to help people have experiences of\ntype. But anyway, so we were at the very beginning'}, {'start': '2432.000', 'end': '2439.520', 'text': 'of all of that. And then we had this thing at the\nTuckahaw. And Bob decided he was going to make'}, {'start': '2439.520', 'end': '2445.280', 'text': "another corporation. And that's when TMI was\ninvented. First in his head and then became"}, {'start': '2445.280', 'end': '2451.760', 'text': 'an actual thing. And years\xa0\nlater, he sold Whistlefield'}, {'start': '2451.760', 'end': '2458.240', 'text': 'and picked up some new land. And he actually got\xa0\nthat new land in a land swap. Sight unseen. He'}, {'start': '2458.800', 'end': '2464.560', 'text': 'landed in a land swap. He was in a course where\xa0\nthey swapped land. And some other guy had this'}, {'start': '2464.560', 'end': '2470.240', 'text': "land and was coming forward and said, I'll swap\xa0\nyou this for that. And he went to see it. And it"}, {'start': '2470.240', 'end': '2477.120', 'text': "was beautiful. He loved it. So that's where TMI\xa0\nthen got, it was called the new land then. I"}, {'start': '2477.120', 'end': '2483.120', 'text': "remember getting a Jeep with Bob and we went out\xa0\nto see the new land. So that's really the origins"}, {'start': '2483.120', 'end': '2490.320', 'text': 'of TMI. And he took those binaural beats. He\xa0\nembedded them in the sound that he already had.'}, {'start': '2490.320', 'end': '2502.240', 'text': "And that became his HEMISYNC. So that's kind of\xa0\nthe very short story of Bob Monroe. But I spent"}, {'start': '2502.240', 'end': '2511.920', 'text': 'probably most of a decade, probably five or six\xa0\nyears intensively there 15 to 20 hours a week.'}, {'start': '2511.920', 'end': '2517.920', 'text': 'And then I was on the board\xa0\nof maybe not directors,'}, {'start': '2517.920', 'end': '2521.200', 'text': 'the advisory board for a while. I moved out. I'}, {'start': '2521.200', 'end': '2526.800', 'text': "moved away from Charlottesville. So I'd come back\xa0\nto the advisory board meeting. I gave a talk at"}, {'start': '2526.800', 'end': '2535.040', 'text': "one of their professional seminars that was up\xa0\non YouTube. So that's kind of the time frame that"}, {'start': '2535.040', 'end': '2541.520', 'text': 'I was in. But during those, say, five or six\xa0\nyears that it was intensive, I learned a lot.'}, {'start': '2541.520', 'end': '2547.040', 'text': 'I learned an awful lot. And one interesting\xa0\nstory that I will tell that the readers will'}, {'start': '2547.040', 'end': '2552.720', 'text': 'probably find interesting is that one day after,\xa0\nwell, I guess the way it went is first we came,'}, {'start': '2552.720', 'end': '2557.200', 'text': 'Dennis and I came to the lab. We worked, Bob\xa0\ncame, we had our things. Bob went down to the'}, {'start': '2557.200', 'end': '2562.160', 'text': 'house and invited us. So Dennis and I would go\xa0\nwith Bob down to his house. This was usually like'}, {'start': '2562.160', 'end': '2568.240', 'text': "10, 11, 12 o'clock, you\xa0\nknow, a.m. in the next day."}, {'start': '2568.240', 'end': '2574.000', 'text': "And we'd stay there until two or three o'clock.\nThen we'd go home, go to bed, get up at, you know,"}, {'start': '2574.000', 'end': '2578.560', 'text': "seven o'clock in the morning and go to work.\nSo that was our schedule. So we were down"}, {'start': '2578.560', 'end': '2585.680', 'text': "at Bob's house. And he was telling us about a\nthing that he had just had. He had had an outer"}, {'start': '2585.680', 'end': '2590.960', 'text': "body. And he often would discuss his outer bodies\nwith Dennis and I. And he'd explain what he did"}, {'start': '2590.960', 'end': '2596.480', 'text': "and what he experienced. And we'd kind of talk\nabout what did it mean and that sort of thing."}, {'start': '2596.480', 'end': '2602.560', 'text': "Because my job was to come up with a model of how\nit all worked. 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And I told him we went'}, {'start': '2668.720', 'end': '2672.800', 'text': 'through the whole series right up to where we\xa0\nboth bombed and the tests were over. So either'}, {'start': '2672.800', 'end': '2674.880', 'text': 'that was the last question\xa0\nor we both got the wrong'}, {'start': '2674.880', 'end': '2678.880', 'text': "answer. How interesting. So it's as if there's"}, {'start': '2678.880', 'end': '2686.160', 'text': 'some sort of a out-of-body school that you both\xa0\nattended. And after decades, the test was still'}, {'start': '2686.160', 'end': '2692.080', 'text': "the same. Yes. And there's a lot of people get\xa0\ntested. Testing is a thing that happens a lot,"}, {'start': '2692.080', 'end': '2698.240', 'text': 'mostly fear tests. But in this case, it was\xa0\nhow grown up were you? How much ego, how much'}, {'start': '2699.040', 'end': '2704.560', 'text': 'other things were getting in your way? And how\xa0\nmuch did you actually, you know, how much have'}, {'start': '2704.560', 'end': '2710.240', 'text': 'you grown up is kind of what the test was. And the\xa0\nquestions got harder and harder and harder until'}, {'start': '2711.360', 'end': '2716.880', 'text': "you weren't grown up enough to answer the next\xa0\none. So anyway, there are lots of tests. And I"}, {'start': '2716.880', 'end': '2724.960', 'text': 'have run into people since that have had taken\xa0\ntests that I have taken also. And some of them'}, {'start': '2724.960', 'end': '2734.240', 'text': "are very complex. There's a lot going on there.\xa0\nAnd when I inquired about it, I was told that"}, {'start': '2734.240', 'end': '2741.920', 'text': 'when they find good tests that work well, they\xa0\nkeep using them. Who is they? Who is they is'}, {'start': '2741.920', 'end': '2747.840', 'text': "the Larger Consciousness System. We're a system of\xa0\nconsciousness. We are consciousness and we're part"}, {'start': '2747.840', 'end': '2754.800', 'text': "of the system of consciousness. And the thing\xa0\nthat's really nice about it is that the point"}, {'start': '2754.800', 'end': '2761.280', 'text': 'is to grow up, to get rid of the fear, get\xa0\nrid of the ego, get rid of the beliefs. And'}, {'start': '2761.280', 'end': '2767.200', 'text': "that, I'll come to that later when we talk,\xa0\nbut that you can also talk about in terms of"}, {'start': '2767.200', 'end': '2773.520', 'text': 'entropy reduction. Or you can talk about it in\xa0\nterms of consciousness evolution or consciousness'}, {'start': '2773.520', 'end': '2779.040', 'text': "quality. So the whole point is to increase the\xa0\nquality of your consciousness. 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And one time they\xa0\ncame and said, would you like this experience?'}, {'start': '2869.520', 'end': '2875.520', 'text': "And I said, sure, let's do it. They popped me\xa0\nout of body. It was like, wow. And I went out"}, {'start': '2875.520', 'end': '2880.480', 'text': 'through the window, I played with it. And I could\xa0\ngo right through a window. And that was amazing.'}, {'start': '2880.480', 'end': '2885.840', 'text': 'I got near the ground and I started moving.\xa0\nAnd then I got to this hedge, it was between my'}, {'start': '2885.840', 'end': '2889.840', 'text': "yard and the neighbor's yard. And it was\xa0\nlike, oh, no. And I went right through it."}, {'start': '2889.840', 'end': '2895.200', 'text': 'And I thought it was fun. So I played with it.\xa0\nAnd they did this for me three or four or five'}, {'start': '2895.200', 'end': '2899.360', 'text': 'times to the point I was very\xa0\nused to it. And I would travel,'}, {'start': '2899.360', 'end': '2902.720', 'text': 'I could travel around the neighborhood\nand see what was going on in various'}, {'start': '2902.720', 'end': '2906.240', 'text': 'houses where my friends lived\xa0\nand whatever. So I thought it was'}, {'start': '2906.240', 'end': '2913.280', 'text': "a lot of fun. And then I said, I want to learn\xa0\nto do this myself. I don't like that you do this"}, {'start': '2913.280', 'end': '2918.160', 'text': "for me. I want to learn. And they said, no,\xa0\nwe really don't want to teach you that. You're"}, {'start': '2918.160', 'end': '2923.840', 'text': 'not ready for that yet. And I complained. I\xa0\nsaid, no, I want to learn to do this on my own.'}, {'start': '2923.840', 'end': '2931.120', 'text': 'So they said, okay. So they told me what to\xa0\ndo. And I did that. And of course, they were'}, {'start': '2931.120', 'end': '2936.640', 'text': 'facilitating this whole thing. And I started this\xa0\noscillation, like Bob talks about. And it got'}, {'start': '2936.640', 'end': '2942.880', 'text': 'stronger and stronger and stronger until I was\xa0\nlike a flag in a gale. I was just whipping around.'}, {'start': '2942.880', 'end': '2950.560', 'text': 'I said, okay, okay, quit. You can do it. And I\xa0\ncould see they were going, huh? Yes, we took care'}, {'start': '2950.560', 'end': '2956.240', 'text': "of you. So I didn't have to have that experience.\xa0\nThey gave me that just to chill me so I wouldn't"}, {'start': '2956.240', 'end': '2961.840', 'text': "be doing it. But I did learn. They did teach me.\xa0\nAnd the thing that we're getting to here is they"}, {'start': '2961.840', 'end': '2968.240', 'text': 'enrolled me in this course. I would come out.\xa0\nAnd they would teach me how to manipulate things,'}, {'start': '2968.240', 'end': '2973.840', 'text': 'how to deal with things in the non-physical.\xa0\nAll right, I played with it. I could move. 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And they wouldn't tell me anything about it\xa0\nexcept then one said, you need to grow up like a"}, {'start': '3193.600', 'end': '3198.880', 'text': "normal kid. If you grow up too weird, you can end\xa0\nup in an institution and it isn't going to work"}, {'start': '3198.880', 'end': '3206.400', 'text': 'well. How old were you? Probably eight\xa0\nat that time. It was about eight. So they'}, {'start': '3206.400', 'end': '3210.720', 'text': 'shut the door. And I was no\xa0\nlonger able to do that. By'}, {'start': '3210.720', 'end': '3216.400', 'text': 'then I was doing it on my own. I was okay. I\ncould get out of body and come back on my own. But'}, {'start': '3216.400', 'end': '3224.080', 'text': "that shut me out. And it wasn't until Bob Monroe\nwas telling me about his test that he had taken"}, {'start': '3224.080', 'end': '3232.560', 'text': "when all that memory poured back. Like 20 years\nlater. Yeah. And it's like, oh, wow. 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And\xa0\nthose people who are ready and experience it,'}, {'start': '3395.040', 'end': '3400.960', 'text': "they just get to experience a little bit\xa0\nat a time. So it's one step after the next."}, {'start': '3400.960', 'end': '3407.200', 'text': "It's in a learning process. So that's kind of\xa0\nhow that works. And as it turns out, you know,"}, {'start': '3407.200', 'end': '3411.680', 'text': 'I came to this much later. You know, I learned\xa0\na whole lot just in the last 20 years since I'}, {'start': '3411.680', 'end': '3416.400', 'text': "published the books between then I didn't just sit\xa0\ndown and say, I figured it all out. I've learned"}, {'start': '3416.400', 'end': '3424.880', 'text': 'whole lot in the last 20 years. And the outer\xa0\nbody can best be described as a single player'}, {'start': '3424.880', 'end': '3431.680', 'text': 'game with a Larger Consciousness System. You\xa0\nbasically fed a data stream. 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We're hard cases, as far as"}, {'start': '3611.120', 'end': '3616.560', 'text': 'proving that all this stuff is real. So we did\nremote viewing, and then found out whether we were'}, {'start': '3616.560', 'end': '3620.480', 'text': 'right or wrong with targets. We read numbers on\nthe wall that Bob would go out and write on'}, {'start': '3620.480', 'end': '3624.960', 'text': 'the big chalkboard he had in\xa0\nthe next room. We would heal…'}, {'start': '3624.960', 'end': '3630.640', 'text': 'all the things that are basically paranormal\xa0\nthings… we did them in order to gather evidence.'}, {'start': '3630.640', 'end': '3636.160', 'text': "And remote viewing, we did most because that's\xa0\nwhere the evidence lies. You get an immediate"}, {'start': '3636.160', 'end': '3641.520', 'text': 'right or wrong at the end of it. So we did a lot\xa0\nof that. We did projection of times. 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This time, I'm going to\xa0\nspend, you know, an hour on healing this thing,"}, {'start': '3716.080', 'end': '3721.280', 'text': "and then I'm going to work on it all week. And\xa0\nthe next time, I'm just going to glance at it"}, {'start': '3721.280', 'end': '3728.000', 'text': 'and heal. But with intensity, and how does it\xa0\nwork? And with healing, of course, you have to do'}, {'start': '3728.000', 'end': '3731.840', 'text': "statistics. Because if you take\xa0\nsomebody's headache away, well,"}, {'start': '3731.840', 'end': '3735.360', 'text': "it may have just gone away anyway,\nso you don't know. So you have to take"}, {'start': '3735.360', 'end': '3741.440', 'text': "100 people's headaches away. And then, you know,\nif 80 of them went away right after you worked on"}, {'start': '3741.440', 'end': '3747.600', 'text': 'them, now you start to get some statistical\nevidence. So I did that, change a variable,'}, {'start': '3747.600', 'end': '3754.240', 'text': 'try it again, change a variable, try it again.\nAnd I continued that for like the next 30 years.'}, {'start': '3754.240', 'end': '3763.040', 'text': "And that's basically how I then came up with this\nmodel. It was from the evidence that I got"}, {'start': '3763.040', 'end': '3768.400', 'text': 'through that constantly changing variables\nand see how it affects- Trial and error.'}, {'start': '3768.400', 'end': '3773.200', 'text': 'Trial and error, trial and error for about 35\xa0\nyears. And then I thought I knew enough about'}, {'start': '3773.200', 'end': '3778.880', 'text': "it that I could write the books and understand\xa0\nconsciousness. Those books didn't start out as a"}, {'start': '3778.880', 'end': '3784.800', 'text': 'theory of everything. They started out as really\xa0\nan explanation of consciousness and how it worked.'}, {'start': '3784.800', 'end': '3788.640', 'text': 'I understand there were some very\xa0\ndramatic healings that took place.'}, {'start': '3789.280', 'end': '3796.400', 'text': "Yeah, I've had, well, I've done a lot of\xa0\nhealings and probably thousands of them."}, {'start': '3796.400', 'end': '3802.080', 'text': "And I'd say, you know, five, 10,\xa0\n15 of them were rather dramatic."}, {'start': '3802.080', 'end': '3806.800', 'text': "I've had several that way. Actually, there's\xa0\na book that's going to come out shortly"}, {'start': '3806.800', 'end': '3817.520', 'text': 'by a young lady, Sylvia Kuzman-Crawford. And she\xa0\nwas a 14-year-old girl, lived in my subdivision.'}, {'start': '3817.520', 'end': '3827.280', 'text': 'I was friends with her parents. She got in a\xa0\ncar accident and broke both of her thigh bone,'}, {'start': '3827.280', 'end': '3832.640', 'text': 'both of her fingers, broke her other parts of her\xa0\nlegs, broke her arms. But she was really torn up.'}, {'start': '3832.640', 'end': '3836.880', 'text': 'She was in the back of a station wagon and\xa0\nshe was right where the impact occurred.'}, {'start': '3836.880', 'end': '3842.320', 'text': 'And she should have died. Matter of fact,\xa0\nthey called in and said, we got this girl,'}, {'start': '3842.320', 'end': '3846.720', 'text': "but it's not likely she's going to make it. So\xa0\nthey weren't expecting a live girl to show up"}, {'start': '3848.080', 'end': '3855.680', 'text': 'but she did. And her mother called me when she\xa0\nwas in transit because I talked a little bit about'}, {'start': '3855.680', 'end': '3860.400', 'text': "what I was doing because I was going out to\xa0\nBob's all the time. 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That's the wrong way to\napproach it. Don't just go heal somebody"}, {'start': '4460.000', 'end': '4465.280', 'text': 'because you can. You have to be aware of\ndisease is often part of the process'}, {'start': '4465.280', 'end': '4470.080', 'text': 'of growing, so you have to let\xa0\nthat take its course. So anyway,'}, {'start': '4470.080', 'end': '4474.960', 'text': 'so I found out that that was it. I helped her see\xa0\nher life from a different perspective that was'}, {'start': '4474.960', 'end': '4482.560', 'text': 'more positive than the one she had. She changed\xa0\nbecause she was a theologian herself. She'}, {'start': '4482.560', 'end': '4488.400', 'text': 'interpreted that as God speaking to her,\xa0\nand it all worked out just really well.'}, {'start': '4488.400', 'end': '4494.480', 'text': 'Let me ask you this. 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It's an information system,"}, {'start': '4846.160', 'end': '4854.480', 'text': "and it wants to evolve by making better choices,\xa0\nby lowering its entropy. That's, if you look at"}, {'start': '4857.600', 'end': '4863.520', 'text': "by lowering its entropy. So we have a purpose.\xa0\nLet's stop for a moment and talk about"}, {'start': '4863.520', 'end': '4870.320', 'text': 'entropy. Some of our viewers may not know\xa0\nwhy would you want to lower your entropy.'}, {'start': '4870.320', 'end': '4876.960', 'text': "What is entropy anyway? Entropy is a measure\xa0\nof disorder. That's one way of looking at it."}, {'start': '4876.960', 'end': '4883.600', 'text': "So if you have a lot of disorder, disorder into\xa0\nchaos even, that's high entropy. There's lots of"}, {'start': '4883.600', 'end': '4890.240', 'text': "entropy and disorder. 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That's where all"}, {'start': '4925.760', 'end': '4931.280', 'text': 'the ethical choices come from, is that interaction\xa0\nof working together. Now, if you have a social'}, {'start': '4931.280', 'end': '4938.000', 'text': 'system where people have to work together,\xa0\nyou lower the entropy of that social system'}, {'start': '4938.000', 'end': '4946.560', 'text': 'by being cooperative, by being caring, by being\xa0\nthoughtful, by being considerate. All of those'}, {'start': '4946.560', 'end': '4952.400', 'text': 'things lower the entropy. In other words, the\xa0\npeople interacting with each other can produce'}, {'start': '4952.400', 'end': '4959.360', 'text': 'more, be more, if they cooperate, if they care,\xa0\nif they help each other. The opposite side of love'}, {'start': '4959.360', 'end': '4967.600', 'text': "is fear. 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And what happens there is that two or"}, {'start': '5003.440', 'end': '5008.560', 'text': 'three people get together so they can take\xa0\nthings away from these individuals. Well,'}, {'start': '5008.560', 'end': '5012.480', 'text': 'then those individuals get together and then you\xa0\nget bigger groups and bigger groups and you end'}, {'start': '5012.480', 'end': '5019.520', 'text': 'up eventually with power groups of large numbers\xa0\nof people with just a few people on top making'}, {'start': '5019.520', 'end': '5026.640', 'text': 'the making all the choices for all the people\xa0\ndown. And if you let that evolve to where it'}, {'start': '5026.640', 'end': '5035.040', 'text': 'goes, you end up with 3% of the people owning\xa0\n95% of all the resources. Which is where we are.'}, {'start': '5035.040', 'end': '5040.000', 'text': 'The people to do all the work are the ones at the\xa0\nbottom. 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It sows the seeds of its own destruction.\nThe way it treats people, it creates animosities'}, {'start': '5163.920', 'end': '5167.280', 'text': "that eventually tear it down.\nBut I've heard the same argument"}, {'start': '5167.280', 'end': '5172.160', 'text': 'about democracies. They also seem\xa0\nto have the seeds of their own'}, {'start': '5172.160', 'end': '5178.880', 'text': 'destruction. Well, but that problem is a little\xa0\ndifferent problem. They cease being democracies.'}, {'start': '5178.880', 'end': '5189.680', 'text': 'And the idea that they cease being\xa0\nfocused on being helpful, considerate,'}, {'start': '5189.680', 'end': '5194.320', 'text': "you know, for the people, of the people, by\xa0\nthe people, right? That's the social thing."}, {'start': '5194.320', 'end': '5200.720', 'text': "That's low entropy. They start being about\xa0\ncontrol, power, and force. We want more power. We"}, {'start': '5200.720', 'end': '5205.680', 'text': 'want more control. We want to manipulate the\xa0\npeople so that they do what we want them to do'}, {'start': '5205.680', 'end': '5211.360', 'text': 'and they think the way we want them to think.\xa0\nSo what happens is that old ethic of control,'}, {'start': '5211.360', 'end': '5217.680', 'text': 'power, force takes over and deteriorates\xa0\nthe democracy into something else.'}, {'start': '5217.680', 'end': '5227.840', 'text': "And that's why democracies have a problem is\xa0\nbecause materialism is the fundamental belief"}, {'start': '5227.840', 'end': '5234.560', 'text': 'in Western culture, which is now culture\xa0\neverywhere. That fundamental belief is a control,'}, {'start': '5234.560', 'end': '5239.680', 'text': 'power, force belief. You take it, you\xa0\nown it, you defend it, you fight for it,'}, {'start': '5239.680', 'end': '5245.680', 'text': "grab other people's stuff if you can and get\xa0\naway with it. Control, power, force then research"}, {'start': '5245.680', 'end': '5252.320', 'text': 'itself. So here we are, humanity, really a bunch\xa0\nof conscious players, but they have to play with'}, {'start': '5252.320', 'end': '5258.640', 'text': "a rule set that's in the virtual reality. And\xa0\ntheir job is to make choices. But they don't make"}, {'start': '5258.640', 'end': '5264.560', 'text': "very good choices because it's easier to grab\xa0\nsomebody else's food than to go find your own."}, {'start': '5264.560', 'end': '5269.440', 'text': "So they don't make very good choices. They\xa0\nhave to evolve. They have to grow up. You don't"}, {'start': '5269.440', 'end': '5273.840', 'text': "start at the top. You start at the bottom. You\xa0\nlearn from your mistakes. It's the best way to"}, {'start': '5273.840', 'end': '5281.120', 'text': "learn. Right. It's almost the only way to learn.\xa0\nSo that's what we're here for. But that general"}, {'start': '5281.120', 'end': '5288.640', 'text': "ethic of control, power, force is still there.\xa0\nSo you'll get little pockets, you know, like the"}, {'start': '5288.640', 'end': '5293.600', 'text': 'Greeks had a republic and they voted and they\xa0\ndiscussed and they did what the majority wanted'}, {'start': '5293.600', 'end': '5299.120', 'text': "and everybody got along with that. But it didn't\xa0\nlast for so long. And the Romans had a republic,"}, {'start': '5300.320', 'end': '5307.360', 'text': 'because in that general population, the ethic\xa0\nof control, power, force still is dominant.'}, {'start': '5307.360', 'end': '5314.800', 'text': "But it's changing. If you go back 500 years from\xa0\ntoday, you'll find that everything was a whole lot"}, {'start': '5314.800', 'end': '5321.440', 'text': 'worse than it is now. You think things are bad\xa0\nnow. Things were really bad then. Life was cheap.'}, {'start': '5322.320', 'end': '5326.320', 'text': 'Life was cheap. Somebody could pull you off\xa0\nthe side and run a sword through you just'}, {'start': '5326.320', 'end': '5331.760', 'text': "because they felt that'd be fun to do or because\xa0\nthey wanted some sword practice and you were a"}, {'start': '5331.760', 'end': '5337.200', 'text': "good target. You know, it's not like that anymore.\xa0\nWell, maybe some places here and there. But"}, {'start': '5337.200', 'end': '5345.280', 'text': "basically, we've grown up a lot in the last 500\xa0\nyears. Now, but look at the almost 200,000 years"}, {'start': '5345.280', 'end': '5352.800', 'text': 'before that. And basically, it was a warlord\xa0\nmentality from the beginning and still and our'}, {'start': '5352.800', 'end': '5357.440', 'text': "growth, our evolution. I don't know if the camera\xa0\ncan pick all my hand on and around. I'll stick"}, {'start': '5357.440', 'end': '5362.240', 'text': 'his other hand out. It gets on the camera more.\xa0\nIt was like this very little growth, just barely'}, {'start': '5362.240', 'end': '5370.800', 'text': "going up, barely going up. But then it goes up\xa0\nfaster because when you grow up, it's easier to"}, {'start': '5370.800', 'end': '5376.880', 'text': "grow up more. So it's an accelerating function.\xa0\nSo we're now, right at this point, at the knee of"}, {'start': '5376.880', 'end': '5382.080', 'text': "the curve, we're right where it starts to\xa0\naccelerate. That's why there's so much contention"}, {'start': '5383.120', 'end': '5392.640', 'text': "is coming and it's coming fast. So 200,000 years,\xa0\nroughly homo sapiens has been around as a being,"}, {'start': '5392.640', 'end': '5399.120', 'text': 'as an avatar. So 200,000 years, not much changed.\xa0\nWarlord mentality, warlord mentality. Then we got'}, {'start': '5399.120', 'end': '5403.920', 'text': 'someplace about 400 or 500 years ago. And it\xa0\nstarted, we had little blips here and there,'}, {'start': '5403.920', 'end': '5409.360', 'text': 'you know, like the Greek and the Romans, little\xa0\nblips of cooperation and caring. But eventually,'}, {'start': '5409.360', 'end': '5418.960', 'text': "the masses overwhelmed that. And it's now\xa0\nstarting to go faster. Until it goes vertical."}, {'start': '5418.960', 'end': '5425.920', 'text': 'Until it goes vertical. And when it goes\xa0\nvertical, then we will have created a human'}, {'start': '5425.920', 'end': '5436.400', 'text': 'culture here that is caring and basically\xa0\nhappy and content and very productive.'}, {'start': '5436.400', 'end': '5444.240', 'text': "And it'll be that kinder. A low entropy culture.\xa0\nA low entropy culture. So we're making that turn"}, {'start': '5444.240', 'end': '5450.640', 'text': "now. And what we're seeing out in the world\xa0\nright now, everybody thinks we're regressing."}, {'start': '5450.640', 'end': '5455.840', 'text': "And we are slightly, because, you know, like any\xa0\ncurve, it's not monotonic. It kind of says ups"}, {'start': '5455.840', 'end': '5465.280', 'text': "and downs. But the trend's been up. So right now,\xa0\nI think we're seeing those forces of negativity"}, {'start': '5465.280', 'end': '5471.040', 'text': 'and the forces of chaos making that last great\xa0\nhurrah. You know how it is when an animal gets'}, {'start': '5471.040', 'end': '5476.880', 'text': 'cornered just before it loses, it puffs up and\xa0\ngrowls and makes a ferocious, a ferocious last'}, {'start': '5476.880', 'end': '5484.640', 'text': "ditch effort to scare its nemesis away. And I\xa0\nthink that's what we're seeing now. We're seeing"}, {'start': '5484.640', 'end': '5494.080', 'text': "this last gasping hurrah of negativity trying to\xa0\nprevent this curve from going up. And it's going"}, {'start': '5494.080', 'end': '5501.120', 'text': 'to fail, of course, because the good news is\xa0\nthat evolution is relentless. It may be slow,'}, {'start': '5501.120', 'end': '5507.680', 'text': "but it's relentless. And one day we will\xa0\nbe in that… Evolution can be very patient."}, {'start': '5507.680', 'end': '5517.040', 'text': "Yes. Now, I assume these ideas, I'm pretty sure\xa0\nthe idea of relating entropy to human evolution"}, {'start': '5517.040', 'end': '5524.400', 'text': 'and also equating the reduction of entropy with\xa0\nthe idea of love and a particular unconditional'}, {'start': '5524.400', 'end': '5529.440', 'text': "love. These are your unique ideas.\xa0\nThey didn't come from Bob Monroe."}, {'start': '5529.440', 'end': '5535.600', 'text': "No, no, no, no. They didn't come from Bob Monroe.\xa0\nBob Monroe was a good reporter. He reported things"}, {'start': '5535.600', 'end': '5542.160', 'text': 'the best he could. But like any reporter, and\xa0\nlike anybody actually, what happens is you get'}, {'start': '5542.160', 'end': '5548.640', 'text': "information. You get a data stream. But you have\xa0\nto interpret that data stream. Your reality isn't"}, {'start': '5548.640', 'end': '5552.000', 'text': 'the data stream. Your reality\xa0\nis your interpretation of the'}, {'start': '5552.000', 'end': '5560.400', 'text': "data stream. That's what you get. Now,\nthe interpretation depends on your background,"}, {'start': '5560.400', 'end': '5567.040', 'text': "depends on what you know, what you've learned so\nfar. So, for instance, here's one major one that"}, {'start': '5567.040', 'end': '5574.000', 'text': 'Bob missed, and that is that when he had this\nexperience, he talked to me right after, because'}, {'start': '5574.000', 'end': '5584.560', 'text': "he was kind of disturbed by it. And that was the\nidea of “loosh”, that we're being farmed by our"}, {'start': '5584.560', 'end': '5592.560', 'text': "masters for loosh. We're just like cows at\xa0\nthe bottom end of the loose factory assembly"}, {'start': '5592.560', 'end': '5597.760', 'text': 'line. We make loosh. Others\xa0\nconsume loosh. But what'}, {'start': '5597.760', 'end': '5605.200', 'text': 'happened was he was getting, he asked a question\nabout the big picture of reality. What is really'}, {'start': '5605.200', 'end': '5611.680', 'text': "the big picture? And what they were telling him\nwas that the big picture is that we're here to"}, {'start': '5611.680', 'end': '5620.880', 'text': 'evolve, to grow up, to become love. And they\nwere telling him this, and that as we did this,'}, {'start': '5620.880', 'end': '5626.800', 'text': "as we evolved, the system evolves,\nand the system grows, and we're a part of that"}, {'start': '5626.800', 'end': '5633.680', 'text': "whole system. So they're in the process of telling\nhim that. Bob came, his parents, I think, were"}, {'start': '5633.680', 'end': '5645.920', 'text': 'farmers. He came from Ohio, I believe, in a farm\ncommunity. And Bob got that, that description I'}, {'start': '5645.920', 'end': '5652.240', 'text': 'just told you. And he got it as, here we are,\ntrying to grow up with this higher thing,'}, {'start': '5652.240', 'end': '5658.000', 'text': 'is taking what we do for its own benefit.\nYou use the word loosh?'}, {'start': '5658.000', 'end': '5660.000', 'text': "loosh.\nI'm not familiar with it."}, {'start': '5660.000', 'end': '5666.560', 'text': "Oh, yes. It's the thing that Bob did. And what\xa0\nhe just said is that we are now producers of"}, {'start': '5666.560', 'end': '5675.040', 'text': "loosh. loosh was probably a very bad rendition\xa0\nof love. And we're supposed to make this loosh,"}, {'start': '5675.040', 'end': '5684.880', 'text': 'and then this higher power than us consumes\xa0\nthis loosh for its own benefit. So he saw it in'}, {'start': '5684.880', 'end': '5693.120', 'text': "terms of a farmer. We're the cows. We make\xa0\nloosh from our emotional connections and things,"}, {'start': '5693.120', 'end': '5697.440', 'text': 'which is if our emotions and feelings are\xa0\npositive, we move more toward love. And if'}, {'start': '5697.440', 'end': '5702.960', 'text': "they're negative, we move away from it. So\xa0\nwe're making this loosh, this love, and this"}, {'start': '5702.960', 'end': '5710.640', 'text': "larger being is growing from that. So he saw that\xa0\nin terms of a farmer's viewpoint, the loosh makers"}, {'start': '5710.640', 'end': '5719.760', 'text': 'and the consumers. And we were the cows. And when\xa0\nwe make loosh, and these overlords of ours are-'}, {'start': '5719.760', 'end': '5724.720', 'text': "So it's dualistic thinking.\nSo that was his interpretation. When he had it,"}, {'start': '5724.720', 'end': '5726.640', 'text': "he was shaken by it.\nIt's paranoid."}, {'start': '5726.640', 'end': '5733.360', 'text': 'Yeah, he was shaken by it. And he said, I just had\xa0\nthis experience, and I asked for the big picture.'}, {'start': '5733.360', 'end': '5737.280', 'text': 'He had me aside. I was just sitting\xa0\nthere with him. I was down at his house,'}, {'start': '5737.280', 'end': '5745.120', 'text': 'and he told me about it. He says, we are like\xa0\nfarm animals, and we produce this stuff that'}, {'start': '5745.120', 'end': '5751.320', 'text': "was called loosh. And I said, loosh, what's that?\xa0\nAnd he says, that's what they call it. They call"}, {'start': '5751.840', 'end': '5759.040', 'text': 'higher, more advanced beings that consume loosh.\xa0\nAnd they just have us around in order to make'}, {'start': '5759.040', 'end': '5766.000', 'text': "the loosh for their consumption. So we're farm\xa0\nanimals. And of course, what he was saying is"}, {'start': '5766.000', 'end': '5772.080', 'text': "that, yes, they have us here making choices\xa0\nso that we'll make good choices for love."}, {'start': '5772.080', 'end': '5776.400', 'text': 'And in that doing so, we will evolve,\xa0\nand the whole system will evolve with it.'}, {'start': '5776.400', 'end': '5782.720', 'text': 'But he missed that. So what happened is, he\xa0\nwrote that in his book. I think it was the'}, {'start': '5782.720', 'end': '5789.360', 'text': "second book. He had A Journey's Out of the Body,\xa0\nFar Journeys, Ultimate Journey. I think it was in"}, {'start': '5789.360', 'end': '5796.000', 'text': 'his second book. And a whole lot of people\xa0\ntook that the way he did, which was negative.'}, {'start': '5796.000', 'end': '5804.320', 'text': 'We have overlords that are using this like farm\xa0\nanimals. And this fear thing got in about the'}, {'start': '5804.320', 'end': '5810.800', 'text': "the non-physical. It's an idea that's been around\xa0\nfor a long time. You find it in gnosticism."}, {'start': '5810.800', 'end': '5819.440', 'text': 'Yeah. So anyway, so it was this whole thing,\xa0\ninstead of being about love and evolution,'}, {'start': '5819.440', 'end': '5826.000', 'text': "became about fear and being used by our overlords\xa0\nto produce the stuff that they wanted. And we're"}, {'start': '5826.000', 'end': '5833.520', 'text': 'like their cattle. So a lot of negativity\xa0\ngot born out of that mistake. But you see,'}, {'start': '5833.520', 'end': '5837.920', 'text': "a farmer, and you had to interpret what they\xa0\nwere trying to tell you. And you didn't really"}, {'start': '5837.920', 'end': '5845.680', 'text': 'understand entropy because they had to talk\xa0\nin terms of things that he understood. So they'}, {'start': '5845.680', 'end': '5850.800', 'text': 'talked in terms of producers and consumers\xa0\nand stuff. And he misinterpreted it.'}, {'start': '5851.600', 'end': '5855.440', 'text': 'And at that point, had your ideas evolved enough?'}, {'start': '5855.440', 'end': '5860.000', 'text': "No, not at that point. No, I didn't\xa0\nhave any of those ideas. I was just"}, {'start': '5860.000', 'end': '5868.640', 'text': 'you know, 20, 27, 28 year old, you know, and\xa0\nhe told me and he was very shaken by this idea'}, {'start': '5868.640', 'end': '5874.720', 'text': 'because of the way he framed it in his own mind.\xa0\nAnd he told me, and he said, well, what do you'}, {'start': '5874.720', 'end': '5881.920', 'text': "think? And I said, if it's that way, it's nothing\xa0\nwe can do about it. 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Now, if\xa0\nthe entropy increases, then you get more chaos,'}, {'start': '6693.600', 'end': '6699.200', 'text': 'less order, more randomness. And if it keeps\xa0\nde-evolving, you get nothing, no information,'}, {'start': '6699.200', 'end': '6701.680', 'text': 'a random system, all the bits are random. So'}, {'start': '6701.680', 'end': '6705.760', 'text': "what's its driving purpose?\xa0\nIts driving purpose is the"}, {'start': '6705.760', 'end': '6711.680', 'text': 'lower entropy, because otherwise it dies as an\xa0\ninformation system. So like everything else,'}, {'start': '6711.680', 'end': '6719.040', 'text': "it's driven by its own survival. 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And it finally gets to a point where'}, {'start': '6760.240', 'end': '6766.960', 'text': "there is a plateau to its learning. I mean,\xa0\nin the beginning, it's really quick. You know,"}, {'start': '6766.960', 'end': '6771.600', 'text': "you make two or three things and there was nothing\xa0\nbefore and that's really amazing. But pretty soon,"}, {'start': '6771.600', 'end': '6776.160', 'text': "you've got about as many patterns and patterns\xa0\nof sequences of patterns as you can want,"}, {'start': '6776.160', 'end': '6784.000', 'text': "and it slows down. So what's the next thing it can\xa0\ndo besides time and a metronome? What's the next"}, {'start': '6784.000', 'end': '6791.760', 'text': 'technology it can do in order to create more\xa0\npossibilities? And that is, it breaks a piece'}, {'start': '6791.760', 'end': '6798.400', 'text': 'of itself off and sits that over here. Now they\xa0\nboth have free will. 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Now you got a hundred'}, {'start': '6825.440', 'end': '6830.160', 'text': 'thinkers and they come to different conclusions.\xa0\nImmediately, they all kind of see the world the'}, {'start': '6830.160', 'end': '6835.120', 'text': 'same way. But as time goes by, they have different\xa0\nexperiences. They see things differently. And'}, {'start': '6835.120', 'end': '6844.640', 'text': "pretty soon, you have a social system. So that's\xa0\nkind of the progress of why is this an information"}, {'start': '6844.640', 'end': '6850.800', 'text': 'system? What does entropy have to do with it?\xa0\nEntropy is the purpose. 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The information is the meaning,\xa0\nthe significance of what's written, not the"}, {'start': '6889.200', 'end': '6894.160', 'text': "ink that's written. It's not all the little\xa0\nsquiggles of ink that's valuable. What's valuable"}, {'start': '6894.160', 'end': '6900.320', 'text': 'is interpreting those squiggles into something\xa0\nmeaningful. So the information is the meaning,'}, {'start': '6900.320', 'end': '6906.960', 'text': 'the significance of something. And that\xa0\nonly takes place within consciousness.'}, {'start': '6906.960', 'end': '6916.000', 'text': "I have a lot of questions about all of this.\xa0\nWe'll do a whole separate interview where we"}, {'start': '6916.000', 'end': '6920.880', 'text': 'get into the details of the\xa0\nevolution of consciousness,'}, {'start': '6920.880', 'end': '6924.240', 'text': "which I know is what you're\npointing toward. But this was"}, {'start': '6924.240', 'end': '6930.160', 'text': 'a good taste. I had to describe this\xa0\nto people. The hardest chore I had'}, {'start': '6930.160', 'end': '6935.200', 'text': "wasn't just the figuring it out. It\xa0\nwas how to explain it to somebody else."}, {'start': '6935.200', 'end': '6941.840', 'text': "Because I've had tens of thousands of hours\xa0\nexploring non-physical reality, exploring"}, {'start': '6941.840', 'end': '6947.920', 'text': "consciousness. But how do you explain that to\xa0\nsomebody else who's never done any of that? So"}, {'start': '6947.920', 'end': '6954.800', 'text': 'that was the biggest challenge. And so I made up a\xa0\nlot of things. I made up a lot of words and terms'}, {'start': '6954.800', 'end': '6964.560', 'text': "and other things. And I started off with AUO. 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It said, if you're having trouble\nremembering these things, don't worry. Just"}, {'start': '7044.400', 'end': '7050.640', 'text': "call it Ralph or something. They're just\nnames. And I started calling it the Larger"}, {'start': '7050.640', 'end': '7056.160', 'text': 'Consciousness System instead of AUM, because\nthat was just easier, because the definition is'}, {'start': '7056.160', 'end': '7064.240', 'text': "in the words rather than AUM. Okay, that's clever\nbecause of the AUM, but it's harder to remember"}, {'start': '7064.240', 'end': '7069.360', 'text': 'and associate with anything. So I stopped using\nAUM in talks and started talking about the'}, {'start': '7069.360', 'end': '7072.560', 'text': 'Larger Consciousness System.\nWell, we will be exploring the'}, {'start': '7072.560', 'end': '7079.040', 'text': "Larger Consciousness System in great depth. I know\npeople think, well, that's just your term for God,"}, {'start': '7079.040', 'end': '7083.840', 'text': "but I know that it's not quite the same.\nNo, it's similar though. You know,"}, {'start': '7083.840', 'end': '7088.560', 'text': 'I was surprised. I thought, you\xa0\nknow, the religious people are not'}, {'start': '7088.560', 'end': '7094.800', 'text': 'going to like this. You know, because they have\xa0\ntheir dogma and they have their way of seeing the'}, {'start': '7094.800', 'end': '7101.200', 'text': "world and they're not really going to like this.\xa0\nBut I found out that mostly the contrary was true."}, {'start': '7101.200', 'end': '7108.880', 'text': 'I had any number of people who would\xa0\nwrite to me or talk to me and say,'}, {'start': '7108.880', 'end': '7114.560', 'text': "I had one lady in particular, she was a nurse,\xa0\nand she said, I'm a very religious person."}, {'start': '7114.560', 'end': '7122.720', 'text': 'I take pride in that. 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I've not run into any issues at all. Well,\xa0\nI assume you're dealing with the more liberal"}, {'start': '7361.920', 'end': '7366.400', 'text': 'religious people, not the fundamentalists. Well,\xa0\nthe fundamentals would never go to my website to'}, {'start': '7366.400', 'end': '7372.800', 'text': 'deal with. So it takes care of itself. No, if I\xa0\nhad that among fundamentalists, it would not work.'}, {'start': '7372.800', 'end': '7379.840', 'text': 'But among the people who are interested in the\xa0\nnature of reality. So you have to be kind of an'}, {'start': '7379.840', 'end': '7384.960', 'text': "egghead to be interested in the nature of reality.\xa0\nAnd if you are, you're probably a little more"}, {'start': '7384.960', 'end': '7396.640', 'text': 'logical. But the way I crafted my book was as an\xa0\non ramp for the left brainers. 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And\xa0\nhere they get about 10 pages in and they say,"}, {'start': '7434.320', 'end': '7438.960', 'text': "I can't deal with this. It doesn't make any sense.\xa0\nBecause they don't know how to interpret it. They"}, {'start': '7438.960', 'end': '7447.120', 'text': "don't have the spiritual understanding to see that\xa0\nthis is your metaphors and, and get the metaphors."}, {'start': '7447.120', 'end': '7456.400', 'text': "So they can't read that poetry. Logical types\xa0\ndon't do poetry. They do facts. They do logical"}, {'start': '7456.400', 'end': '7461.840', 'text': 'processes. So I wanted my book to be a logical\xa0\nprocess that the left brainers have to have an'}, {'start': '7461.840', 'end': '7468.000', 'text': 'on ramp for the left brainers on the spirituality\xa0\nand the bigger picture and love that they would'}, {'start': '7468.000', 'end': '7474.320', 'text': 'have a ramp that they could go. It was logic,\xa0\nlogic, logic, logic, and here and here we are'}, {'start': '7474.320', 'end': '7482.080', 'text': "and get there. And so that's what kind of makes\xa0\nmy book unique in the field is that it's meant for"}, {'start': '7482.080', 'end': '7490.880', 'text': "logical left brain people. And we will go through\xa0\nit step by step. Yeah. Good. I'm sorry if I got"}, {'start': '7490.880', 'end': '7494.640', 'text': 'it out a little in front in places where you\xa0\nwanted to go, but hopefully we covered everything'}, {'start': '7494.640', 'end': '7501.360', 'text': "about the Monroe. I think we've given our viewers\xa0\na good taste. It was an amazing experience."}, {'start': '7501.360', 'end': '7506.400', 'text': 'You know, with Bob that much time, I mean,\xa0\npeople were given the right arm to, you know,'}, {'start': '7506.400', 'end': '7514.560', 'text': 'spend 20 hours a week with Bob Monroe, but he\xa0\nwas a wonderful guy. He was a real individual.'}, {'start': '7514.560', 'end': '7519.040', 'text': 'Like we were saying in the car, you know, he did\xa0\nall the things that a guru is not supposed to do.'}, {'start': '7519.040', 'end': '7525.760', 'text': 'He smoked, he ate junk food. He was overweight.\xa0\nHe did all those things, but he was very positive.'}, {'start': '7525.760', 'end': '7534.400', 'text': 'He was caring. He was a wonderful man and he was\xa0\nvery interested and it was kind of his thing to'}, {'start': '7534.400', 'end': '7542.320', 'text': 'do in this life to start the process of turning\xa0\nthe paranormal into the normal. And I think it'}, {'start': '7542.320', 'end': '7548.320', 'text': 'was very selfless. He basically started that\xa0\nInstitute and endowed it so that it could continue'}, {'start': '7548.320', 'end': '7554.160', 'text': "after his death and it's been going for decades.\xa0\nAnd he was very courageous because in the time"}, {'start': '7554.800', 'end': '7562.960', 'text': 'of books, talking about out of body and hearing\xa0\nvoices and seeing things was not what a smart'}, {'start': '7562.960', 'end': '7571.440', 'text': 'executive would be publishing. So he took, he had\xa0\ncourage to publish that and not call his name,'}, {'start': '7571.440', 'end': '7576.560', 'text': 'you know, Ralph Smith or something. He called\xa0\nhis name Bob Monroe and he wrote the books and'}, {'start': '7576.560', 'end': '7585.200', 'text': 'he stood up and took, you know, the blame or the\xa0\ncheers for it as they came. And at that time that'}, {'start': '7585.200', 'end': '7591.200', 'text': 'he published that first book, he should expect\xa0\nor he did expect a whole lot more jeers than'}, {'start': '7591.200', 'end': '7596.720', 'text': 'accolades because it was very counter to the\xa0\nculture that he was in. Yet he stood up and did'}, {'start': '7596.720', 'end': '7602.640', 'text': 'it anyway. And I think he realized he needed to\xa0\ndo that if he was going to start this process'}, {'start': '7602.640', 'end': '7608.080', 'text': 'of legitimizing, you know, the paranormal, the\xa0\nthings he had experienced, making them legitimate'}, {'start': '7608.080', 'end': '7614.400', 'text': "science. And he didn't know how to do it, but he\xa0\nknew he was the start. And he had quite a lot of"}, {'start': '7614.400', 'end': '7620.800', 'text': 'influence to my understanding. Many government\xa0\nofficials showed up at the Monroe Institute to'}, {'start': '7620.800', 'end': '7628.000', 'text': 'take his courses. People from the military, people\xa0\nfrom the CIA. Right. He added credibility to the'}, {'start': '7628.000', 'end': '7633.520', 'text': 'whole thing. He did a wonderful job.\xa0\nHe served his purpose very well.'}, {'start': '7634.160', 'end': '7640.720', 'text': "And he was certainly a very important player in\xa0\ngetting you set on the path that you've been on"}, {'start': '7640.720', 'end': '7646.320', 'text': "for so many years. Yeah. I kind of had an idea of\xa0\nwhat it was I was going to do, but I didn't have"}, {'start': '7646.320', 'end': '7652.240', 'text': "a clue how to go about it. But after I'd spent\xa0\nthose years with Bob, I got oriented and focused"}, {'start': '7652.240', 'end': '7658.240', 'text': "and it made all the difference in the world.\xa0\nI wouldn't have done what I did if it had"}, {'start': '7658.240', 'end': '7665.760', 'text': 'been for those years with Bob. Well, Tom, thank\xa0\nyou so much for enlightening me and our viewers'}, {'start': '7665.760', 'end': '7673.120', 'text': 'about this important period in your life. Thank\xa0\nyou for having me. And for those of you watching'}, {'start': '7673.120', 'end': '7681.200', 'text': 'or listening, thank you for being with us because\xa0\nyou are the reason that we are here. Absolutely.'}, {'start': '7681.200', 'end': '7704.480', 'text': 'The future lies with many people,\xa0\nnot just with us and others like us.'}, {'start': '7711.120', 'end': '7719.200', 'text': 'Book Three in the New Thinking Allowed Dialogue\xa0\nSeries is UFOS and UAP. 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