'NO ACCOUNTABILITY': DOGE member reveals this is a 'huge vector' for fraud and abuse
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[{'start': '5.371', 'end': '9.542', 'text': "♪ ♪  >> Jesse: PART THREE, HERE'S  THE INTERVIEW WITH ELON MUSK AND  THE REST OF THE D.O.G.E. CREW.  WE FINALLY ASK THE ONE QUESTION  ON OUR MINDS.  >> WHOSE BIG BALLS?  [LAUGHS]  >> THAT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS.  [LAUGHS]  >> Jesse: WHY DO THEY CALL YOU  BIG BALLS?  >> I SAID IT AS MY USERNAME.  >> Jesse: OKAY.  >> PEOPLE TAKE THEMSELVES SUPER  SERIOUSLY AND ARE ADVERSE TO  RISK AND I WAS LIKE I WANT TO BE  NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS.  HONESTLY I DID NOT THINK ANYONE  WOULD NOTICE.  [LAUGHS]  >> LINKEDIN IS SO CRINGE.  >> Jesse: WHAT DOES BIG BALLS  DO?  >> I'M WORKING ON COMPUTER  STUFF.  ONE OF OUR INITIATIVES IS TO  ROOT OUT FRAUD AND WASTE AND TO  DO THAT WE STARTED LOOKING AT  COMPUTERS AND AS MENTIONED  EARLIER, THERE'S NO ACCOUNTING  OF WHAT PAYMENTS GO TO WEAR.  YOU LOOK AT A SPECIFIC LINE  ITEM, $20 MILLION.  OKAY, WHAT IS IT GOING TO?  FOR THE MAJORITY OF PAYMENT  SYSTEMS IT'S LIKE WE DON'T  REALLY KNOW.  >> THEY ARE LIKE WHAT?  >> THAT WOULD BE THE RESPONSE.  >> Jesse: IS THAT THE MOST  BASIC RESPONSE?  >> THAT'S A MOST COMMON  RESPONSE.  >> Jesse: WHAT DO YOU SAY WHEN  PEOPLE JUST SAY I DON'T KNOW.  >> IT'S A HUGE CAUSE FOR CONCERN  BECAUSE THERE ARE NO CHECKS AND  NO ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE  AMERICAN TAXPAYER SO IT'S A HUGE  VECTOR FOR FRAUD, WASTE AND  ABUSE.  >> Jesse: DO THESE PEOPLE NOT  RESPECT TAXPAYER MONEY?  >> THERE'S NO INCENTIVE TO IF  YOU WORK IN THE GOVERNMENT.  I THINK THE INCENTIVES WILL  ALWAYS DECIDE THE OUTCOMES.  >> Jesse: DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU  ARE PUTTING YOURSELVES AT RISK  BY DOING THIS BECAUSE YOU ARE  STIRRING UP SO MUCH HOSTILITY BY  THESE PEOPLE RIPPING US OFF?  >> 100%.  WE DON'T NEED TO SPECULATE.  YOU CAN SEE ONLINE AND IN THE  PROTESTS THAT THEY MAKE THAT  VERY CLEAR.  I'VE BEEN HANGED IN EFFIGY MANY  TIMES.  THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE  ACTIVELY ADVOCATED AT THESE  VIOLENT PROTESTS, VIOLENT  PROTESTS, FOR MY DEATH.  AND ALSO ADVOCATED FOR THE DEATH  OF THE PEOPLE AT D.O.G.E.  >> MANY OF US OF GOT AN EMAIL  THREATS FROM REPORTERS AND THE  PUBLIC.  SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I CAME HERE  TO SERVE MY COUNTRY AND IT'S  BEEN UNFORTUNATE TO SEE LOST  FRIENDSHIPS.  MOST OF CAMPUS HATES ME NOW.  BUT I THINK FUNDAMENTALLY I HOPE  PEOPLE REALIZE THROUGH CONCERT  -- THROUGH CONVERSATIONS LIKE  THIS THAT REFORM IS GENUINELY  NEEDED AND IF THERE'S ONE GROUP  OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY HAVE A SHOT  AT SUCCESS, IT'S THE PEOPLE  HERE.  THEY ARE UP UNTIL 2:00 A.M.  MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY.  DOJA DOES NOT RECOGNIZE WEEKEND,  WE ARE WORKING ALL THE TIME.  >> Jesse: WHAT INSPIRED YOU TO  DROP OUT OF HARVARD TO DO THIS?  >> YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF  REFORM THAT'S NEEDED.  I THINK THE VALUE OF THIS AND  THE IMPACT HERE IS SO MUCH MORE  VAST THAN ANYTHING YOU COULD  LEARN IN A CLASSROOM DOING  COMPUTER SCIENCE.  >> Jesse: AND YOU GUYS ARE  SLEEPING HERE?  UP ALL NIGHT, YOU HAVE THIS  MEETING AT 10:00 EVERY  WEDNESDAY?  >> AND WE GO BACK TO WORK RIGHT  AFTER THIS.  >> Jesse: BACK TO WORK AFTER  THIS?  IT'S ALMOST 11:00.  >> THAT'S EARLY.  >> Jesse: CAN I GO TO BED?  THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE WORK ETHIC.  YOU GUYS SHOULD BE REALLY PROUD  OF YOURSELVES.  DO PEOPLE COME UP TO YOU AND SAY  THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU ARE  DOING?  >> ABSOLUTELY.  THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE  STATE DEPARTMENT THAT WILL STOP  YOU, OR ALL OF THE AGENCIES  WE'VE BEEN TOO, THAT WILL STOP  YOU IN THE HALLWAYS OR WRITE  EMAILS SAYING I WAS SCARED TO  WRITE THIS OR MAYBE YOU ARE  INTERESTED IN THIS.  THEY OFTEN HAVE THE BEST IDEAS  BECAUSE THEY WORKED IN THE  PLACES AND THEY'VE BEEN STIFLED  BY THE BUREAUCRACY FOR SO MANY  YEARS SO ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS  IN MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT WE  LISTEN TO THEM AND EMPOWER THEM.  >> WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A BIG  THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE  GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES WHO ARE  HELPING REDUCE THE WASTE AND  FRAUD BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU KNOW,  WE COULD NOT DO IT WITHOUT YOU.  >> Jesse: IT'S A GROUP EFFORT.  >> ABSOLUTELY.  I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY ALL  GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES ARE BAD,  THAT'S NOT THE CASE, IT'S JUST  THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE DOES NEED  TO BE A SERIOUS EFFORT TO REDUCE  THE WASTE AND FRAUD AND WE ARE  MAKING THAT HAPPEN AND A LOT OF  PEOPLE IN THE GOVERNMENT ARE  GLAD TO SEE IT HAPPEN.  >> I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT  TO RECOGNIZE EVERY SINGLE PERSON  AROUND THIS TABLE THAT IS  EMBEDDED WITHIN AN AGENCY,  SUPPORTING THAT AGENCY, WHETHER  THEY ARE WORKING ON SYSTEMS OR  THROUGH PEOPLE.  WE ARE ENCOUNTERING DROVES OF  GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES WHO ARE  MISSIONARIES NOT MERCENARIES,  WHO ARE ACTUALLY HERE SERVING  BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN WHAT  THEY ARE DOING, THEY WANT TO DO  THINGS WELL.  WE ARE TRYING TO EMPOWER THEM  AND THEY FEEL EMPOWERED NOW TO  ASK THE QUESTION OF WHY AREN'T  WE DOING THIS, WHAT ELSE CAN WE  BE DOING, HOW CAN WE FIX THIS?  I THINK AGENCY BY AGENCY IT IS  FILLED WITH EXCEPTIONAL  GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.  WHEN WE GIVE THEM THE TOOLS AND  THE SYSTEMS AND WE LEAVE BEHIND  SYSTEMS TO HELP THEM DO THEIR  JOBS BETTER, THAT'S THE  PERMANENT CHANGE.  THEY ARE EMBRACING THAT NOT  BECAUSE IT'S NEW TO THEM, IT'S  BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT  ALWAYS WANTED TO DO BUT FOR THE  FIRST TIME EVER WE ARE GIVING  THEM THE TOOLS AND THE  COLLABORATION TO BE ABLE TO DO  IT.  >> Jesse: THAT'S A VERY  IMPORTANT MESSAGE AND THE  MESSAGE NEEDS TO GET OUT MORE.  I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT.  >> WE HAVE EXCEPTIONAL PEOPLE AT  ALL OF OUR AGENCIES.  EXCEPTIONAL.  THEY DO A THANKLESS JOB AND THEY  WORK INCREDIBLY HARD.  >> Jesse: I LOVE TO HEAR HOW  COLLABORATIVE IT IS WITH THESE  PEOPLE AND THESE AGENCIES.  AND IT'S NOT ALL CONFLICT.  SOMETIMES IN THE MEDIA YOU  ALWAYS HEAR ABOUT CONFLICT AND  YOU GUYS ARE CONSIDERED THESE  RUTHLESS SUITS THAT COME IN AND  SCARE PEOPLE.  >> THERE IS CONFLICT BUT THAT IS  THE EXCEPTION.  IT'S TRUE OF HISTORY IN GENERAL.  PEOPLE STUDY THE WARS A LOT BUT  MOST OF THE TIME THERE WAS A  WAR, IT'S IS NOT AS EXCITING,  EXACTLY.  >> Jesse: FOR THE TV GUYS, WE  LIKE CONFLICT, BUT IN THIS CASE  WE LOVE THE COLLABORATION SO  THANK YOU, THANKS FOR ALLOWING  ME THIS ACCESS IN HERE, YOU GUYS  ARE JUST REALLY BRIGHT YOUNG  SMART PATRIOTS AND YOU HAVE A  GREAT TEAM AND THANK YOU ELON  FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE FOR"}]