Are We Better Than Tribalism | Winston Marshall
Jordan Peterson Speech
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From what I'}, {'start': '15.120', 'end': '22.080', 'text': 'understand, this is how waring tribes in'}, {'start': '18.240', 'end': '24.320', 'text': 'the default tribal condition of humanity'}, {'start': '22.080', 'end': '26.800', 'text': 'started to trade.'}, {'start': '24.320', 'end': '28.880', 'text': 'So, what seems to happen, human beings'}, {'start': '26.800', 'end': '30.480', 'text': 'have been around for about 350,000'}, {'start': '28.880', 'end': '32.800', 'text': "years, and we didn't seem to get our act"}, {'start': '30.480', 'end': '34.239', 'text': 'together until about 20,000 years ago.'}, {'start': '32.800', 'end': '37.200', 'text': 'You might ask what the hell we were'}, {'start': '34.239', 'end': '39.840', 'text': 'doing for the 330,000 years before that.'}, {'start': '37.200', 'end': '41.520', 'text': 'And one answer is tearing down anyone'}, {'start': '39.840', 'end': '43.719', 'text': 'who had any modicum of success'}, {'start': '41.520', 'end': '46.000', 'text': 'whatsoever and fighting endless tribal'}, {'start': '43.719', 'end': '47.600', 'text': 'battles. And so then you might ask, how'}, {'start': '46.000', 'end': '50.879', 'text': 'the hell do you get out of that? Because'}, {'start': '47.600', 'end': '53.760', 'text': "that's kind of a health sustaining dead"}, {'start': '50.879', 'end': '55.920', 'text': 'end. So imagine a tribal group here and'}, {'start': '53.760', 'end': '58.160', 'text': 'a tribal group here and this group is'}, {'start': '55.920', 'end': '60.079', 'text': 'watching this group and vice versa. And'}, {'start': '58.160', 'end': '62.160', 'text': 'this group sees that this group has some'}, {'start': '60.079', 'end': '64.559', 'text': 'cool stuff that they maybe would like to'}, {'start': '62.160', 'end': '67.600', 'text': 'have and vice versa. Then imagine'}, {'start': '64.559', 'end': '70.799', 'text': "there's a no man's land of disputed"}, {'start': '67.600', 'end': '72.560', 'text': 'territory between them. Sometimes a'}, {'start': '70.799', 'end': '74.320', 'text': 'tribe will get the bright idea of taking'}, {'start': '72.560', 'end': '77.280', 'text': 'some of their valuable stuff and leaving'}, {'start': '74.320', 'end': '80.159', 'text': "it in the no man's zone, just abandoning"}, {'start': '77.280', 'end': '82.360', 'text': 'it and then retreating. Then the other'}, {'start': '80.159', 'end': '84.720', 'text': 'tribe will come in and take the stuff.'}, {'start': '82.360', 'end': '86.960', 'text': 'Now they could just take the stuff and'}, {'start': '84.720', 'end': '90.000', 'text': 'leave. But now and then the tri other'}, {'start': '86.960', 'end': '93.439', 'text': 'tribe figures out well if they left some'}, {'start': '90.000', 'end': '95.600', 'text': 'cool stuff then maybe there would be'}, {'start': '93.439', 'end': '98.320', 'text': 'more valuables forthcoming. But the'}, {'start': '95.600', 'end': '100.240', 'text': 'interesting thing about that initiation'}, {'start': '98.320', 'end': '102.240', 'text': "that process is there's a sacrificial"}, {'start': '100.240', 'end': '105.119', 'text': 'offering at the beginning right? you'}, {'start': '102.240', 'end': '107.360', 'text': 'have to give something up and I do think'}, {'start': '105.119', 'end': '109.799', 'text': "it's that act of giving something up"}, {'start': '107.360', 'end': '112.159', 'text': 'voluntarily that actually'}, {'start': '109.799', 'end': '113.840', 'text': 'defines well I think it defines the'}, {'start': '112.159', 'end': '115.920', 'text': 'psyche with integrity but even more'}, {'start': '113.840', 'end': '118.799', 'text': "importantly it defines society it's not"}, {'start': '115.920', 'end': '121.360', 'text': "power it's not power it's within as well"}, {'start': '118.799', 'end': '124.079', 'text': 'as between societies within the'}, {'start': '121.360', 'end': '126.840', 'text': 'individual and between yeah I think we'}, {'start': '124.079', 'end': '130.200', 'text': 'establish psychological'}, {'start': '126.840', 'end': '133.360', 'text': 'integrity by having each of our'}, {'start': '130.200', 'end': '135.360', 'text': 'interessing drives lives give something'}, {'start': '133.360', 'end': '136.959', 'text': 'up in relationship to an emergent'}, {'start': '135.360', 'end': '139.599', 'text': "totality. That's what happens when you"}, {'start': '136.959', 'end': '142.640', 'text': 'mature, right? You start sequencing your'}, {'start': '139.599', 'end': '146.000', 'text': 'whims in a way that allows each of them'}, {'start': '142.640', 'end': '148.160', 'text': 'to attain their end, but in some order'}, {'start': '146.000', 'end': '149.760', 'text': 'over some time period in relationship to'}, {'start': '148.160', 'end': '152.720', 'text': 'some goal. Some of that goal would be'}, {'start': '149.760', 'end': '154.720', 'text': 'the establishment of actual of genuine'}, {'start': '152.720', 'end': '158.080', 'text': "social interactions. All that's"}, {'start': '154.720', 'end': '160.400', 'text': 'sacrificial. Now, it looks to me like'}, {'start': '158.080', 'end': '162.959', 'text': 'the biblical stories are an examination'}, {'start': '160.400', 'end': '165.120', 'text': 'of sacrifice, like an in an'}, {'start': '162.959', 'end': '167.280', 'text': 'interrogation of sacrifice and Christ'}, {'start': '165.120', 'end': '171.160', 'text': 'being the Well, exactly. Exactly.'}, {'start': '167.280', 'end': '174.879', 'text': 'Exactly. Because once you understand'}, {'start': '171.160', 'end': '177.920', 'text': 'that voluntary sacrifice is the basis of'}, {'start': '174.879', 'end': '179.680', 'text': 'civilization and community, the next'}, {'start': '177.920', 'end': '182.879', 'text': "question that emerges is well, what's"}, {'start': '179.680', 'end': '184.800', 'text': 'the highest possible form of sacrifice?'}, {'start': '182.879', 'end': '188.239', 'text': "And that's actually the d that's"}, {'start': '184.800', 'end': '190.400', 'text': 'actually the quest you might say that'}, {'start': '188.239', 'end': '192.319', 'text': 'the biblical stories arrange themselves'}, {'start': '190.400', 'end': '194.319', 'text': 'around because he established the'}, {'start': '192.319', 'end': '195.840', 'text': 'principle of sacrifice actually with'}, {'start': '194.319', 'end': '197.760', 'text': 'Adam and Eve right at the end of that'}, {'start': '195.840', 'end': '199.360', 'text': 'story. But certainly with Cain and Abel'}, {'start': '197.760', 'end': '201.360', 'text': "there's two patterns of sacrifice"}, {'start': '199.360', 'end': '203.440', 'text': 'established there. The pattern of Abel'}, {'start': '201.360', 'end': '205.519', 'text': "and the pattern of Cain. But then that's"}, {'start': '203.440', 'end': '207.840', 'text': 'fleshed out as all the stories progress.'}, {'start': '205.519', 'end': '209.920', 'text': 'And in principle that culminates in the'}, {'start': '207.840', 'end': '211.599', 'text': 'well what we construe as the ultimate'}, {'start': '209.920', 'end': '214.319', 'text': 'sacrifice which is something like a'}, {'start': '211.599', 'end': '217.319', 'text': 'total sacrifice. Right? So then you'}, {'start': '214.319', 'end': '221.879', 'text': 'might ask yourself is it true'}, {'start': '217.319', 'end': '225.200', 'text': 'that a totalizing sacrifice is the basis'}, {'start': '221.879', 'end': '229.760', 'text': 'of social abundance. This is why Christ'}, {'start': '225.200', 'end': '232.400', 'text': 'is the miraculous provider of the water'}, {'start': '229.760', 'end': '234.239', 'text': 'that eternally replenishes and the fish'}, {'start': '232.400', 'end': '236.480', 'text': "that multiply and the bread that doesn't"}, {'start': '234.239', 'end': '239.360', 'text': 'end. The idea is that if you establish'}, {'start': '236.480', 'end': '242.280', 'text': 'the right pattern of sacrificial'}, {'start': '239.360', 'end': '245.519', 'text': 'identity, you produce a society'}, {'start': '242.280', 'end': '247.519', 'text': "that is endlessly abundant. It's like a"}, {'start': '245.519', 'end': '249.640', 'text': "meta princip. It's a meta principle of"}, {'start': '247.519', 'end': '252.480', 'text': "provision. And it's based on the idea of"}, {'start': '249.640', 'end': '255.519', 'text': 'sacrifice. And it seems to me I think'}, {'start': '252.480', 'end': '258.720', 'text': "what's revolutionary about our time is"}, {'start': '255.519', 'end': '261.840', 'text': 'that I think we can I think we can now'}, {'start': '258.720', 'end': '264.560', 'text': 'understand that like explicitly instead'}, {'start': '261.840', 'end': '266.800', 'text': 'of it being buried in our stories. the'}, {'start': '264.560', 'end': '268.720', 'text': 'the with regard to the national'}, {'start': '266.800', 'end': '270.080', 'text': 'identity, forgive me for going there, is'}, {'start': '268.720', 'end': '271.680', 'text': "and what I'm reading from what you're"}, {'start': '270.080', 'end': '274.320', 'text': "saying, but maybe I' I've got this"}, {'start': '271.680', 'end': '276.479', 'text': "wrong, is that there's a a correct uh"}, {'start': '274.320', 'end': '277.680', 'text': 'interplay, a correct sacrifice that the'}, {'start': '276.479', 'end': '278.880', 'text': 'nation should have for the individual'}, {'start': '277.680', 'end': '280.479', 'text': 'and the individual should have had for'}, {'start': '278.880', 'end': '281.919', 'text': "the the nation. There's a there's a"}, {'start': '280.479', 'end': '283.199', 'text': 'certain amount of the individual should'}, {'start': '281.919', 'end': '285.360', 'text': 'give to the nation and the nation in'}, {'start': '283.199', 'end': '288.880', 'text': 'return. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that would be'}, {'start': '285.360', 'end': '291.360', 'text': 'a something like a You see that also in'}, {'start': '288.880', 'end': '293.360', 'text': 'the biblical stories, say in the story'}, {'start': '291.360', 'end': '295.680', 'text': 'of Abraham with the establishment of the'}, {'start': '293.360', 'end': '297.759', 'text': 'idea of covenant. Yes. Exactly. Right.'}, {'start': '295.680', 'end': '299.600', 'text': 'So what happens with Abraham? This is'}, {'start': '297.759', 'end': '301.560', 'text': "dead relevant as far as I'm concerned."}, {'start': '299.600', 'end': '305.000', 'text': 'And'}, {'start': '301.560', 'end': '307.840', 'text': 'so God comes to Abraham as the voice of'}, {'start': '305.000', 'end': '309.919', 'text': 'adventure. He says to Abraham, "If you'}, {'start': '307.840', 'end': '312.400', 'text': 'leave your zone of comfort and venture'}, {'start': '309.919', 'end': '314.720', 'text': "out into the terrible world, I'll make"}, {'start': '312.400', 'end': '316.360', 'text': 'you four offerings." And one is your'}, {'start': '314.720', 'end': '320.080', 'text': 'life will be a blessing to'}, {'start': '316.360', 'end': '323.360', 'text': 'yourself. The other is another is that'}, {'start': '320.080', 'end': '325.280', 'text': 'your reputation will become enhanced'}, {'start': '323.360', 'end': '327.440', 'text': 'among your compatriots for valid'}, {'start': '325.280', 'end': '329.440', 'text': 'reasons.'}, {'start': '327.440', 'end': '331.440', 'text': "The third is that you'll establish"}, {'start': '329.440', 'end': '332.960', 'text': 'something of multigenerational'}, {'start': '331.440', 'end': '335.199', 'text': "permanence. And the fourth is you'll do"}, {'start': '332.960', 'end': '337.199', 'text': 'it in a way that will increase universal'}, {'start': '335.199', 'end': '339.919', 'text': 'abundance. And I think those four'}, {'start': '337.199', 'end': '342.720', 'text': 'offerings each speak to the heart of'}, {'start': '339.919', 'end': '346.000', 'text': 'man. You might say people want status.'}, {'start': '342.720', 'end': '349.759', 'text': 'for example. So what the story does is'}, {'start': '346.000', 'end': '351.919', 'text': "it stacks it's so interesting. It's so"}, {'start': '349.759', 'end': '355.280', 'text': 'interesting. It stacks the developmental'}, {'start': '351.919', 'end': '357.280', 'text': 'instinct which might be that search for'}, {'start': '355.280', 'end': '360.800', 'text': 'expansive adventure that would take a'}, {'start': '357.280', 'end': '363.120', 'text': 'child away from his home and then turn'}, {'start': '360.800', 'end': '365.360', 'text': 'him into a teenager and then a man that'}, {'start': '363.120', 'end': '369.440', 'text': 'that willingness to venture into the'}, {'start': '365.360', 'end': '371.840', 'text': "world. It hypothesizes that that's a"}, {'start': '369.440', 'end': '374.720', 'text': 'divine instinct and that its full'}, {'start': '371.840', 'end': '377.919', 'text': 'manifestation will produce the proper'}, {'start': '374.720', 'end': '380.680', 'text': 'social ordering. So it unites the'}, {'start': '377.919', 'end': '383.360', 'text': 'instinct for individual development with'}, {'start': '380.680', 'end': '384.960', 'text': 'the social the pattern of social'}, {'start': '383.360', 'end': '387.280', 'text': 'interaction that produces permanent'}, {'start': '384.960', 'end': '391.199', 'text': 'abundance and that seems to me to be'}, {'start': '387.280', 'end': '394.240', 'text': 'right and so well so a national identity'}, {'start': '391.199', 'end': '396.000', 'text': 'in part is going to be a variant of that'}, {'start': '394.240', 'end': '398.280', 'text': "offering. Right. You're going to offer"}, {'start': '396.000', 'end': '400.479', 'text': 'something to the community'}, {'start': '398.280', 'end': '402.720', 'text': 'wholeheartedly and the consequence of'}, {'start': '400.479', 'end': '405.360', 'text': "that will be there'll be an offering in"}, {'start': '402.720', 'end': '407.039', 'text': "return. So, so there's just on that"}, {'start': '405.360', 'end': '408.560', 'text': 'because added problem I think for the'}, {'start': '407.039', 'end': '410.720', 'text': "for the British and the English if we're"}, {'start': '408.560', 'end': '413.840', 'text': 'going to use biblical terms is that is'}, {'start': '410.720', 'end': '416.479', 'text': 'that co covenant you use that now the is'}, {'start': '413.840', 'end': '417.840', 'text': 'Israel the Israelites uh are going in'}, {'start': '416.479', 'end': '419.120', 'text': 'and out of if you read through the Old'}, {'start': '417.840', 'end': '420.560', 'text': "Testament they're in and out of covenant"}, {'start': '419.120', 'end': '422.720', 'text': 'that they break their covenant with God'}, {'start': '420.560', 'end': '424.639', 'text': 'continually. Yeah. uh even after Moses'}, {'start': '422.720', 'end': '426.000', 'text': 'brings them to the promised land then'}, {'start': '424.639', 'end': '428.080', 'text': 'you have yeah I guess you have Joshua'}, {'start': '426.000', 'end': '429.520', 'text': "but then the book of judges it's they"}, {'start': '428.080', 'end': '432.160', 'text': 'they break their covenant again they'}, {'start': '429.520', 'end': '434.960', 'text': 'have false gods and and they have this'}, {'start': '432.160', 'end': '438.080', 'text': 'chaos and they fragment as they pursue'}, {'start': '434.960', 'end': '439.680', 'text': 'power they pursue hedonism exactly so I'}, {'start': '438.080', 'end': '442.080', 'text': "I think that that's kind of what we're"}, {'start': '439.680', 'end': '443.840', 'text': "experiencing now we but we we can't"}, {'start': '442.080', 'end': '445.840', 'text': 'quite agree what that covenant is I mean'}, {'start': '443.840', 'end': '449.039', 'text': "it's even taboo now to say suggest we're"}, {'start': '445.840', 'end': '451.120', 'text': 'a Christian country so um even though'}, {'start': '449.039', 'end': '452.880', 'text': 'you know our flag is Christian Even'}, {'start': '451.120', 'end': '454.880', 'text': 'though our national anthem starts with'}, {'start': '452.880', 'end': '457.080', 'text': 'the word king is head of the church. Our'}, {'start': '454.880', 'end': '460.000', 'text': 'king is head of the church nominally'}, {'start': '457.080', 'end': '462.240', 'text': "it's that has been tied in with one of"}, {'start': '460.000', 'end': '463.840', 'text': "the the it's not quite taboo but it's"}, {'start': '462.240', 'end': '465.599', 'text': "actually was taboo to even say you're"}, {'start': '463.840', 'end': '466.960', 'text': 'Christian until the last 5 years or so.'}, {'start': '465.599', 'end': '468.160', 'text': 'When I started in the music industry I'}, {'start': '466.960', 'end': '469.440', 'text': "was told whatever you do don't tell"}, {'start': '468.160', 'end': '471.199', 'text': "anyone you're Christian even though I"}, {'start': '469.440', 'end': '474.240', 'text': "wasn't at the time. And that that might"}, {'start': '471.199', 'end': '476.479', 'text': 'have changed but but we we are so lost.'}, {'start': '474.240', 'end': '479.280', 'text': 'We have so broken our covenant as a'}, {'start': '476.479', 'end': '481.599', 'text': 'nation with who we were, who founded us,'}, {'start': '479.280', 'end': '484.400', 'text': "uh that that I guess it's a it's the"}, {'start': '481.599', 'end': '487.280', 'text': 'period of judges. So, not only have we'}, {'start': '484.400', 'end': '488.639', 'text': 'how can we um work out what the correct'}, {'start': '487.280', 'end': '489.919', 'text': 'relationship is with the nation where we'}, {'start': '488.639', 'end': '492.080', 'text': "don't we can't even identify what the"}, {'start': '489.919', 'end': '494.240', 'text': 'nation is. Right. Right. Well, we have'}, {'start': '492.080', 'end': '496.240', 'text': 'exactly the same conundrum in Canada. I'}, {'start': '494.240', 'end': '498.080', 'text': "mean, it's so interesting watching"}, {'start': '496.240', 'end': '500.639', 'text': "Canada's response to Trump's"}, {'start': '498.080', 'end': '504.000', 'text': 'proclamation that our nation should'}, {'start': '500.639', 'end': '506.560', 'text': 'become the 51st state because one of the'}, {'start': '504.000', 'end': '509.360', 'text': 'consequences of that is that the same'}, {'start': '506.560', 'end': '512.479', 'text': 'Justin Trudeau who announced formally'}, {'start': '509.360', 'end': '514.320', 'text': 'that Canada had no national identity,'}, {'start': '512.479', 'end': '517.519', 'text': 'that we were a postnational state, and'}, {'start': '514.320', 'end': '521.200', 'text': 'that we had no unifying history, nothing'}, {'start': '517.519', 'end': '525.040', 'text': 'but an a legacy of oppressive oppression'}, {'start': '521.200', 'end': '529.120', 'text': 'and racism is now flying the flag, you'}, {'start': '525.040', 'end': '530.880', 'text': 'know, even though he has stated in no'}, {'start': '529.120', 'end': '532.640', 'text': 'uncertain terms that there is no'}, {'start': '530.880', 'end': '534.480', 'text': 'unifying force behind the Canadian'}, {'start': '532.640', 'end': '535.760', 'text': 'project, but there is no difference'}, {'start': '534.480', 'end': '538.320', 'text': 'between that and the kind of'}, {'start': '535.760', 'end': '539.839', 'text': 'fragmentation that makes you dis'}, {'start': '538.320', 'end': '542.160', 'text': 'desperate psychologically and'}, {'start': '539.839', 'end': '543.440', 'text': 'unbelievably weak as a nation, right?'}, {'start': '542.160', 'end': '545.360', 'text': 'Because there is nothing pulling you'}, {'start': '543.440', 'end': '548.080', 'text': 'together. But the fundamental question'}, {'start': '545.360', 'end': '550.399', 'text': 'obviously the fundamental question is'}, {'start': '548.080', 'end': '553.519', 'text': 'well what is the proper unifying'}, {'start': '550.399', 'end': '555.600', 'text': 'principle? Yes. Right. And so you said'}, {'start': '553.519', 'end': '558.160', 'text': 'for example that we threw out the nation'}, {'start': '555.600', 'end': '560.240', 'text': 'and even intermediary patriarchal'}, {'start': '558.160', 'end': '563.279', 'text': 'structures after World War II because we'}, {'start': '560.240', 'end': '565.360', 'text': 'were afraid of the proclivity of those'}, {'start': '563.279', 'end': '568.320', 'text': 'arrangements to degenerate into say'}, {'start': '565.360', 'end': '570.640', 'text': 'fascism or communism. And fair enough,'}, {'start': '568.320', 'end': '572.640', 'text': "but you can't throw the baby out with"}, {'start': '570.640', 'end': '575.279', 'text': 'the bathwater. One of the things that'}, {'start': '572.640', 'end': '578.800', 'text': 'you might ask yourself is how do you'}, {'start': '575.279', 'end': '581.760', 'text': 'stop national identity from sliding into'}, {'start': '578.800', 'end': '584.640', 'text': 'fascist ethnism? Yes. And well the'}, {'start': '581.760', 'end': '587.720', 'text': 'American solution to that has been one'}, {'start': '584.640', 'end': '590.000', 'text': 'nation under God. Yeah. Or pluribus'}, {'start': '587.720', 'end': '592.959', 'text': 'unum anyone. Right. But they were'}, {'start': '590.000', 'end': '596.560', 'text': 'founded as a multicultural nation where'}, {'start': '592.959', 'end': '598.399', 'text': 'they found a meta a meta narrative to'}, {'start': '596.560', 'end': '600.160', 'text': 'unite all the the subcultures. Europe'}, {'start': '598.399', 'end': '601.600', 'text': 'has a completely different. Well the'}, {'start': '600.160', 'end': '603.600', 'text': 'strange thing is though that the'}, {'start': '601.600', 'end': '607.279', 'text': 'Americans only managed that because they'}, {'start': '603.600', 'end': '609.760', 'text': 'were British, right? I mean, America'}, {'start': '607.279', 'end': '612.399', 'text': 'gave more explicit voice to the'}, {'start': '609.760', 'end': '614.240', 'text': 'principles that English common law, for'}, {'start': '612.399', 'end': '616.399', 'text': 'example, and English identity for that'}, {'start': '614.240', 'end': '618.959', 'text': 'matter had already established. The'}, {'start': '616.399', 'end': '620.720', 'text': 'Canadian take on the American War of'}, {'start': '618.959', 'end': '622.560', 'text': 'Independence was always Englishmen'}, {'start': '620.720', 'end': '624.720', 'text': 'fighting for their rights. You know, the'}, {'start': '622.560', 'end': '628.160', 'text': 'Americans think about it really as a'}, {'start': '624.720', 'end': '631.760', 'text': 'revolution in quality, but Canadians'}, {'start': '628.160', 'end': '635.279', 'text': "think of it as no, it's a return to the"}, {'start': '631.760', 'end': '637.600', 'text': 'Americans of the rights of the British'}, {'start': '635.279', 'end': '641.160', 'text': 'that they were denied. And I think'}, {'start': '637.600', 'end': '641.160', 'text': "that's more accurate."}]