TODO MEDIO RARO - Cap. 1 - "Sin duda ninguna" - Capitanes de la industria
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[{'start': '14.260', 'end': '18.090', 'text': 'My favorite band is sea,'}, {'start': '19.080', 'end': '25.000', 'text': 'and... shares members with my second favorite band\nwhich is wind.'}, {'start': '25.290', 'end': '28.250', 'text': 'They have the same guitarist.\nI don’t know… there’s something going on there.'}, {'start': '29.800', 'end': '37.920', 'text': 'But honestly, the sea fulfills all my expectations\nwhen it comes to sonic experiences.'}, {'start': '38.000', 'end': '40.195', 'text': 'Even if I had to sleep there.'}, {'start': '44.885', 'end': '47.000', 'text': 'Beautiful.\nWonderful.'}, {'start': '47.000', 'end': '48.000', 'text': 'Great.'}, {'start': '144.309', 'end': '152.107', 'text': 'One day, I was coming back\nfrom a store in Flores. Rivadavia\nand Nazca. Around 7 PM on a Saturday,'}, {'start': '152.380', 'end': '157.168', 'text': 'and there was this Chinese hardware\nstore pulling down an old metal shutter,'}, {'start': '158.285', 'end': '160.329', 'text': 'and, man, it was like a Coltrane solo.'}, {'start': '160.329', 'end': '161.641', 'text': 'It was totally trippy.'}, {'start': '161.810', 'end': '165.044', 'text': 'I was just there waiting for the 96 bus,\nthinking, I can’t believe this.'}, {'start': '165.044', 'end': '166.940', 'text': 'How is this shutter sounding\nlike this?'}, {'start': '166.940', 'end': '168.880', 'text': 'And maybe, in another moment,\nit’s just annoying.'}, {'start': '168.880', 'end': '171.269', 'text': 'If you have your studio right\nnext to it,'}, {'start': '171.269', 'end': '173.030', 'text': 'and you’re mixing a track,'}, {'start': '173.030', 'end': '175.820', 'text': 'you’re like, damn it,\nthis shutter is ruining my life.'}, {'start': '175.820', 'end': '177.780', 'text': 'I mean, it’s all about the right moment.'}, {'start': '177.780', 'end': '180.479', 'text': 'And then it happened to me\nI told you I used to play on the street, right?'}, {'start': '180.479', 'end': '182.157', 'text': 'I played on the street in Recoleta.'}, {'start': '182.157', 'end': '187.204', 'text': 'And I had the bellsfrom the Iglesia del Pilar.\nAnd what did I do?'}, {'start': '187.204', 'end': '190.543', 'text': 'I remember—the bell rang in B,\nyeah, B, that was the note.'}, {'start': '190.543', 'end': '194.281', 'text': 'So what did I do? I’d\nbe playing random stuff, I'}, {'start': '194.281', 'end': '199.402', 'text': 'don’t know, "I Love Her", "My\nWay", whatever… Then the bell'}, {'start': '199.402', 'end': '204.000', 'text': 'would chime, and I’d immediately\nstart grooving with it.'}, {'start': '288.000', 'end': '290.000', 'text': 'I was never really an instrumentalist.'}, {'start': '290.235', 'end': '294.595', 'text': 'I don’t have a deep connection\nwith instruments, so if you ask,'}, {'start': '294.595', 'end': '296.370', 'text': '“What’s your relationship\nwith the instrument?”'}, {'start': '296.370', 'end': '300.752', 'text': 'It’s the bare minimum,\njust enough to have one nearby when needed.'}, {'start': '300.752', 'end': '307.217', 'text': 'But 90% of my musical thinking,\nand I think about music all day,'}, {'start': '307.217', 'end': '308.983', 'text': 'especially now that I’m barely\nworking'}, {'start': '308.983', 'end': '313.111', 'text': 'Back when I worked all day, well, there was less time.\nBut now I think about music constantly.'}, {'start': '313.111', 'end': '317.590', 'text': 'And 90% of that musical thinking has no\nconnection whatsoever to'}, {'start': '317.590', 'end': '319.030', 'text': 'any musical instrument.'}, {'start': '319.230', 'end': '322.610', 'text': 'In fact, my main musical activity\nis listening to music.'}, {'start': '323.330', 'end': '325.050', 'text': 'Like, well, a lot of us listen\nto music.'}, {'start': '325.480', 'end': '326.800', 'text': 'And I listen and I think.'}, {'start': '326.800', 'end': '329.150', 'text': 'It’s not like I’m listening and\ngoing, “Oh wow, what a feeling…”'}, {'start': '329.710', 'end': '331.370', 'text': 'I can’t stop analyzing stuff.'}, {'start': '331.370', 'end': '333.820', 'text': 'My listening is very active.'}, {'start': '334.770', 'end': '336.450', 'text': 'So, yeah...'}, {'start': '337.395', 'end': '339.805', 'text': 'I think way more music outside\nof instruments than'}, {'start': '339.805', 'end': '341.115', 'text': 'through them.'}, {'start': '341.600', 'end': '345.179', 'text': 'And still, I do have a relationship\nwith instruments.'}, {'start': '345.179', 'end': '348.110', 'text': 'I study guitar, I play guitar\nall the time, I play synths, whatever.'}, {'start': '348.110', 'end': '351.210', 'text': 'I’ve played sax, I’ve had\nconnections with instruments.'}, {'start': '351.600', 'end': '355.679', 'text': 'But these days, I like to think that\na lot of musical thought doesn’t'}, {'start': '355.679', 'end': '357.289', 'text': 'come from instruments.'}, {'start': '357.500', 'end': '361.150', 'text': 'And well, I play that junk\nover there... those objects.'}, {'start': '362.440', 'end': '367.070', 'text': 'It kind of challenges the idea\nof what is or isn’t an instrument.'}, {'start': '367.360', 'end': '370.419', 'text': 'Ornette Coleman picked up the violin\nwith the wrong hand and just'}, {'start': '370.419', 'end': '373.330', 'text': 'held it here, and he played it\nwith a technique he invented.'}, {'start': '373.669', 'end': '377.919', 'text': 'And Wenchi, too, uses techniques\non the guitar that he came'}, {'start': '377.919', 'end': '379.560', 'text': 'up with himself—not your\nstandard guitar stuff.'}, {'start': '379.560', 'end': '382.650', 'text': 'So… what is an instrument, really?'}, {'start': '383.840', 'end': '388.886', 'text': "For me, that's a question for what\npeople call an “instrumentalist.”"}, {'start': '389.020', 'end': '389.490', 'text': 'Right.'}, {'start': '389.490', 'end': '392.250', 'text': 'You know, not all musicians\nare instrumentalists.'}, {'start': '392.250', 'end': '395.810', 'text': "No, no, I'm not one. I love them,\nthough—I have close friends who are."}, {'start': '395.810', 'end': '399.090', 'text': 'No, but you—you’ve had an\ninstrumentalist relationship'}, {'start': '399.090', 'end': '400.080', 'text': 'with the saxophone.\nThat’s fair to say.'}, {'start': '400.080', 'end': '401.440', 'text': 'Yeah, when I was younger, for sure.'}, {'start': '401.440', 'end': '402.070', 'text': 'Yeah, of course.'}, {'start': '403.240', 'end': '404.850', 'text': 'No need to deny that—come on.'}, {'start': '405.100', 'end': '412.598', 'text': 'Yeah, totally... but, um, that’s\nsomething for instrumentalists.'}, {'start': '413.815', 'end': '422.000', 'text': 'I do consider myself more of an\ninstrumentalist, although I really\nappreciate the non-instrumentalist approach too.'}, {'start': '422.000', 'end': '426.000', 'text': 'Even when I play other things, you know?'}, {'start': '426.235', 'end': '428.900', 'text': 'Like, when I give improvisation workshops,'}, {'start': '429.000', 'end': '437.500', 'text': 'I often end up playing benches,\ntables, and even my own body more\nthan anything else—'}, {'start': '437.733', 'end': '439.815', 'text': 'Way more than the guitar.'}, {'start': '441.585', 'end': '447.245', 'text': 'But yeah, I still have this\nrelationship with the guitar, and\nI go there—kind of as a'}, {'start': '447.245', 'end': '449.925', 'text': 'repository of, of, of, of...'}, {'start': '451.894', 'end': '454.337', 'text': '...of my explorations, let’s say.'}, {'start': '567.720', 'end': '571.090', 'text': 'Do you work on developing your\nown voice? How?'}, {'start': '572.800', 'end': '573.800', 'text': 'Should I start?'}, {'start': '573.900', 'end': '574.900', 'text': 'Go ahead.'}, {'start': '579.040', 'end': '588.460', 'text': 'I could say that I consciously\nmoved in that direction at some\npoint, when I was younger.'}, {'start': '592.640', 'end': '606.573', 'text': 'But later on... no, no, no—\nit wasn’t really a priority anymore,\nor something I actively seek, per se.'}, {'start': '606.780', 'end': '608.595', 'text': 'What happens is,'}, {'start': '608.595', 'end': '616.260', 'text': 'in the act of doing—suddenly\nsomething interesting comes out.'}, {'start': '616.260', 'end': '618.180', 'text': 'And, uh…'}, {'start': '619.000', 'end': '622.679', 'text': 'not overworking it is important to me.'}, {'start': '622.679', 'end': '625.143', 'text': 'It’s interesting when it comes from practice.'}, {'start': '625.320', 'end': '626.897', 'text': 'That’s key for me.'}, {'start': '626.897', 'end': '629.535', 'text': 'To not have it fully figured out—'}, {'start': '629.535', 'end': '634.055', 'text': 'because if not, when I go on stage,\nI end up bullshitting.'}, {'start': '634.055', 'end': '635.365', 'text': 'Totally, totally.'}, {'start': '635.365', 'end': '635.865', 'text': 'You know?'}, {'start': '636.790', 'end': '640.978', 'text': "If it happens, it's because it came\nout on its own, not because I forced it."}, {'start': '640.978', 'end': '642.868', 'text': 'Right, right, exactly.'}, {'start': '643.415', 'end': '652.940', 'text': 'Yeah, I mean, like he said—\nfor me, individuality is kind\nof inevitable.'}, {'start': '652.940', 'end': '655.819', 'text': 'If it shows up, it shows up—for better or worse.'}, {'start': '655.819', 'end': '660.540', 'text': 'You might have a strong sense of individuality and still be a total idiot—super unique, but a'}, {'start': '660.540', 'end': '663.599', 'text': 'complete fool.'}, {'start': '663.970', 'end': '672.417', 'text': 'So yeah, I think it’s just something that happens.'}, {'start': '672.417', 'end': '678.765', 'text': 'And maybe the real work comes in once the inevitable has already\nhappened.'}, {'start': '678.765', 'end': '684.000', 'text': 'It’s like: “Well, by\nnow I’m not gonna change, I’ll just keep doing what I’ve been\ndoing for the past 20 years,” you know?'}, {'start': '684.000', 'end': '690.176', 'text': 'At this point, I’m too old to suddenly start doing something\ntotally different.'}, {'start': '690.176', 'end': '694.342', 'text': "So yeah, if you're going to find your own path, it’s going to come out on its own, I think."}, {'start': '694.342', 'end': '696.879', 'text': 'Just by doing it over and over. By sheer repetition.'}, {'start': '696.879', 'end': '702.250', 'text': 'You end up avoiding what you’re\nbad at and putting more energy\ninto what you’re sort of good at—'}, {'start': '702.250', 'end': '704.100', 'text': 'and that leads you somewhere.'}, {'start': '704.199', 'end': '709.660', 'text': 'Yeah, inevitability is the key word\nwhen it comes to finding your path.'}, {'start': '709.660', 'end': '712.270', 'text': 'There was no way it could’ve\ngone any other way.'}, {'start': '712.270', 'end': '715.219', 'text': 'You can’t hide from yourself.'}, {'start': '715.420', 'end': '716.930', 'text': 'Go ahead, Wen, take another.'}, {'start': '716.950', 'end': '718.235', 'text': 'Oh, right—excuse me.'}, {'start': '795.360', 'end': '799.339', 'text': 'Alright, let’s go. \nThis one, yeah, this one.'}, {'start': '799.339', 'end': '801.150', 'text': 'Why do we make music?'}, {'start': '801.150', 'end': '802.960', 'text': 'Ah, I do it for fun.'}, {'start': '804.180', 'end': '804.960', 'text': 'I do it for fun.'}, {'start': '804.960', 'end': '807.398', 'text': 'Yeah, I never made any money\nfrom it.'}, {'start': '807.505', 'end': '812.450', 'text': 'And I never liked working as\na musician—even when I was young.'}, {'start': '812.450', 'end': '814.430', 'text': 'I dropped it.\nI spent some years doing parties,'}, {'start': '814.840', 'end': '818.880', 'text': 'and then I went off to work\nin something else, completely\nunrelated. So no, not for the money.'}, {'start': '819.540', 'end': '822.430', 'text': "There's also the cathartic side, I’d add."}, {'start': '822.430', 'end': '823.570', 'text': 'Sure… that’s part of the fun.'}, {'start': '823.910', 'end': '830.660', 'text': 'Yeah, let’s see, let’s see...\nI’d say that, like, improvised\nmusic—'}, {'start': '830.660', 'end': '832.740', 'text': 'Free improv seems like a joke sometimes.'}, {'start': '833.210', 'end': '843.213', 'text': "But... it's actually exhausting.\nIt’s a kind of music that...\nwears you out."}, {'start': '843.495', 'end': '845.935', 'text': 'Playing free improv is intense.'}, {'start': '846.204', 'end': '848.515', 'text': 'I play other kinds of music\ntoo—like funk.'}, {'start': '849.275', 'end': '854.566', 'text': 'And I associate it with those\nother musics where you end up\nin a completely different mood.'}, {'start': '855.227', 'end': '857.185', 'text': 'It’s... it’s a different vibe.'}, {'start': '857.185', 'end': '861.075', 'text': 'Any kind of music is fun for me to play—'}, {'start': '861.475', 'end': '865.980', 'text': "But yeah… this one's very demanding\nfor the listener."}, {'start': '867.210', 'end': '867.910', 'text': 'No doubt.'}, {'start': '867.910', 'end': '868.940', 'text': 'In terms of connection.'}, {'start': '868.940', 'end': '872.470', 'text': 'Absolutely—more than any other\ntype of music.'}, {'start': '872.920', 'end': '876.910', 'text': 'And it’s also mad that when\nwe say "free improvisation,"'}, {'start': '877.319', 'end': '879.400', 'text': 'it sounds like we’re talking\nabout just one thing.'}, {'start': '879.869', 'end': '887.485', 'text': 'And really, it shouldn’t be\nlike that. The word itself\nshould prevent that misunderstanding—'}, {'start': '887.485', 'end': '890.145', 'text': 'but still, there are genres\nof free improv.'}, {'start': '890.535', 'end': '896.288', 'text': 'Like, we say European free\nimprovisation, or New York\ndowntown free improv,'}, {'start': '896.288', 'end': '900.924', 'text': 'Tokyo free improv—these are\ntotally different worlds.'}, {'start': '900.924', 'end': '903.645', 'text': 'And I don’t know—Berlin,\nwith its reductionist thing...'}, {'start': '904.355', 'end': '906.194', 'text': 'Totally different worlds.'}, {'start': '907.915', 'end': '909.175', 'text': 'Each with its own rules.'}, {'start': '909.175', 'end': '913.135', 'text': 'Each with their own systems—they\nhate each other, they insult each other.'}, {'start': '913.135', 'end': '918.729', 'text': 'Each one has its own systems\nof… yeah, but also—it’s broad\nenough for that to happen.'}, {'start': '919.713', 'end': '921.335', 'text': 'And whole thought systems.'}, {'start': '921.335', 'end': '921.901', 'text': 'Yes.'}, {'start': '922.135', 'end': '926.285', 'text': 'Some of them would hate\nthat we’re theorizing about this\nright now.'}, {'start': '926.285', 'end': '930.555', 'text': 'They say free improv is cathartic—\nsomething you just do.\nNo discussion.'}, {'start': '930.714', 'end': '933.815', 'text': 'No talking, no analysis,\nno improvement.'}, {'start': '934.355', 'end': '936.585', 'text': 'Nothing. Just play it and that’s it.'}, {'start': '937.725', 'end': '945.520', 'text': 'We’re maybe more on the results-driven\nside, like: “Hey, last time felt\nkinda weak—let’s step it up'}, {'start': '945.520', 'end': '948.536', 'text': 'next time, let’s listen to each\nother more.” You know, improve things.'}, {'start': '948.536', 'end': '951.202', 'text': 'We’ve always leaned more that way.'}, {'start': '951.202', 'end': '952.756', 'text': 'But there are people who just\nwon’t have it.'}, {'start': '952.756', 'end': '955.337', 'text': 'Especially in Europe.\nPeople who don’t accept that approach.'}, {'start': '956.401', 'end': '957.610', 'text': 'They won’t even talk about it.'}, {'start': '957.610', 'end': '959.620', 'text': 'No discussion, no theory.'}, {'start': '960.120', 'end': '961.440', 'text': 'Just play.'}, {'start': '961.560', 'end': '962.714', 'text': 'No recordings.'}, {'start': '962.714', 'end': '963.700', 'text': '—Pure reaction.\n—No recordings.'}, {'start': '964.750', 'end': '965.790', 'text': 'Recording is wrong.'}, {'start': '965.790', 'end': '967.720', 'text': 'Look at the stuff that comes out of that...'}, {'start': '967.720', 'end': '969.180', 'text': 'It’s huge, as you can see.'}, {'start': '970.630', 'end': '972.380', 'text': 'Go ahead with the next one, Wen.'}, {'start': '1017.798', 'end': '1019.144', 'text': 'When you give a workshop—'}, {'start': '1019.144', 'end': '1023.335', 'text': 'with the guys, the first thing you ask is:\n"Hey, is free improvisation just'}, {'start': '1023.335', 'end': '1026.534', 'text': 'being free to play whatever you want?"'}, {'start': '1027.215', 'end': '1030.935', 'text': 'Are you free to improvise with any\nkind of material that comes to mind?'}, {'start': '1031.345', 'end': '1032.724', 'text': 'What I usually say is,'}, {'start': '1034.795', 'end': '1043.055', 'text': "it's more about bringing musical\nmaterial that allows others you're\nplaying with to be just as free."}, {'start': '1043.348', 'end': '1046.113', 'text': 'So yeah, it’s always free—'}, {'start': '1046.113', 'end': '1048.566', 'text': 'but if we’re playing together,'}, {'start': '1048.566', 'end': '1055.428', 'text': "and I start playing a riff\nin 7/4, in C minor—\nI'm kind of setting the terms."}, {'start': '1055.720', 'end': '1060.720', 'text': 'Like, hey, your freedom ends where  \nthere’s a tempo, a chord,'}, {'start': '1060.720', 'end': '1064.720', 'text': 'a time signature, a dynamic, a mood, a vibe—'}, {'start': '1064.720', 'end': '1066.720', 'text': 'In other words, I’m giving you a composition.'}, {'start': '1066.720', 'end': '1068.119', 'text': 'Now try to jump on that.'}, {'start': '1068.252', 'end': '1070.720', 'text': 'So to me, free improvisation is the opposite of that.'}, {'start': '1070.720', 'end': '1074.720', 'text': 'It’s more about figuring out what I can play  \nthat allows the other person to be'}, {'start': '1074.720', 'end': '1077.720', 'text': 'just as free as I am—and how we handle that.'}, {'start': '1078.374', 'end': '1081.483', 'text': 'Freedom is born from context.'}, {'start': '1081.483', 'end': '1087.201', 'text': 'And that context involves some kind of constraint—  \nthere’s something'}, {'start': '1087.201', 'end': '1092.600', 'text': 'that’s limiting you,  \nand you step past that boundary—'}, {'start': '1092.600', 'end': '1095.743', 'text': 'that permission line, so to speak.'}, {'start': '1098.275', 'end': '1105.398', 'text': 'Without that constraint—like the 7/4 riff—'}, {'start': '1105.796', 'end': '1107.796', 'text': '—or culture, even—'}, {'start': '1108.221', 'end': '1113.221', 'text': 'it stops being free improvisation  \nand becomes just… improvisation.'}, {'start': '1115.600', 'end': '1123.600', 'text': 'Calling it "free" is like calling something "jazzy"—  \nit means there’s already something guiding it.'}, {'start': '1123.600', 'end': '1127.531', 'text': 'There’s something pulling you toward that direction.'}, {'start': '1128.962', 'end': '1130.600', 'text': 'Right, but, uh…'}, {'start': '1132.600', 'end': '1137.478', 'text': 'Not necessarily us,  \nbut there is a kind of duality people make—'}, {'start': '1137.478', 'end': '1142.999', 'text': 'between free improvisation  \nand more "jazz-like" or idiomatic improvisation from various traditions.'}, {'start': '1143.600', 'end': '1148.600', 'text': 'People in free improv are one crowd,  \nand the free jazz folks are another.'}, {'start': '1148.600', 'end': '1153.042', 'text': 'Yeah, no doubt about it, no doubt about it'}, {'start': '1153.042', 'end': '1156.600', 'text': 'When I say “jazzy,” I mean something more formal—'}, {'start': '1157.148', 'end': '1158.600', 'text': 'I mean something more formal.'}, {'start': '1158.600', 'end': '1163.334', 'text': 'In free jazz,  \nwhat’s borrowed from jazz is mostly'}, {'start': '1163.334', 'end': '1165.228', 'text': 'the gestures and instrumentation—'}, {'start': '1165.228', 'end': '1166.600', 'text': 'and the instrumental roles.'}, {'start': '1166.600', 'end': '1168.600', 'text': 'The bass—there’s often still a bassline.'}, {'start': '1168.600', 'end': '1172.000', 'text': 'Sometimes, not always—  \nbut yeah, generally speaking.'}, {'start': '1241.387', 'end': '1245.387', 'text': 'From within and beyond, moment—   \nyou exist, carried by sound’s'}, {'start': '1245.600', 'end': '1252.600', 'text': 'ellipsis, orbital time, free  \nfrom steady pulse, slowed and untouchable'}, {'start': '1253.148', 'end': '1259.600', 'text': 'You vanish into an infinity of  \ninstants, teased by memory'}, {'start': '1259.600', 'end': '1263.025', 'text': 'and mirrored back in parallel,  \nwithout exaggerated will'}, {'start': '1263.600', 'end': '1266.600', 'text': 'in a constant catastrophe'}]