The World Over May 1, 2025 | Papal Interregnum: Robert Royal & Fr. Gerald Murray with Raymond Arroyo
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[{'start': '0.640', 'end': '4.640', 'text': 'The first time I was able to introduce'}, {'start': '2.720', 'end': '7.839', 'text': 'my next guest was way back in Rome,'}, {'start': '4.640', 'end': '9.840', 'text': 'right here in March of 2013. That was'}, {'start': '7.839', 'end': '12.960', 'text': 'the interregnum and conclave that'}, {'start': '9.840', 'end': '15.679', 'text': 'elected Pope Francis. With me now once'}, {'start': '12.960', 'end': '17.920', 'text': 'again, the papal posi, Father Gerald'}, {'start': '15.679', 'end': '20.320', 'text': 'Murray, Robert Royal. Delighted to have'}, {'start': '17.920', 'end': '23.600', 'text': 'them with us once again for insight and'}, {'start': '20.320', 'end': '26.880', 'text': 'analysis on the next conclave and what'}, {'start': '23.600', 'end': '28.320', 'text': 'lies ahead. Uh J, I want to begin. Uh'}, {'start': '26.880', 'end': '31.039', 'text': "first of all, it's great to be together"}, {'start': '28.320', 'end': '33.680', 'text': 'here in Rome. Um, give me a sense of'}, {'start': '31.039', 'end': '36.880', 'text': 'this this period. Uh, we covered a lot'}, {'start': '33.680', 'end': '39.360', 'text': 'of the Francis legacy last week, but my'}, {'start': '36.880', 'end': '42.079', 'text': 'question first to father, then to Bob,'}, {'start': '39.360', 'end': '45.040', 'text': 'how is that legacy being received by the'}, {'start': '42.079', 'end': '48.160', 'text': 'cardinals here gathered, the 100 plus of'}, {'start': '45.040', 'end': '50.480', 'text': 'the of the 133 electors chosen by Pope'}, {'start': '48.160', 'end': '53.120', 'text': 'Francis himself? Well, I go back to what'}, {'start': '50.480', 'end': '55.440', 'text': 'Archbishop Shepu wrote in first things.'}, {'start': '53.120', 'end': '57.199', 'text': "Uh, cander is what's called for at this"}, {'start': '55.440', 'end': '59.760', 'text': 'time. And some of the cardinals from the'}, {'start': '57.199', 'end': '61.680', 'text': "reports that we're getting are giving"}, {'start': '59.760', 'end': '63.120', 'text': "critiques of what's being said inside"}, {'start': '61.680', 'end': '65.119', 'text': 'the general congregation. Yeah. But'}, {'start': '63.120', 'end': '66.720', 'text': "how's it being received? Well, you know,"}, {'start': '65.119', 'end': '68.640', 'text': "that's a question that we can't answer"}, {'start': '66.720', 'end': '70.640', 'text': 'until we see uh some of these people'}, {'start': '68.640', 'end': '72.560', 'text': 'come out and speak to the media because'}, {'start': '70.640', 'end': '75.920', 'text': 'those discussions are not open to the'}, {'start': '72.560', 'end': '79.040', 'text': 'public. Yeah. I will say this in general'}, {'start': '75.920', 'end': '81.520', 'text': 'the you know the appropriate uh prayers'}, {'start': '79.040', 'end': '83.360', 'text': 'for the repose of the soul. This this is'}, {'start': '81.520', 'end': '85.360', 'text': 'a time of mourning so we keep that in'}, {'start': '83.360', 'end': '88.240', 'text': "mind. But the cardinal also know there's"}, {'start': '85.360', 'end': '90.560', 'text': 'an awful lot at stake here. You know, 13'}, {'start': '88.240', 'end': '92.799', 'text': 'years ago or 2013 rather when we were'}, {'start': '90.560', 'end': '95.200', 'text': 'here, uh we never could have foreseen'}, {'start': '92.799', 'end': '96.799', 'text': "where we'd be now. The pope did so many"}, {'start': '95.200', 'end': '99.439', 'text': 'things that were changes from his'}, {'start': '96.799', 'end': '100.560', 'text': "predecessors. So what do what's what's"}, {'start': '99.439', 'end': '102.560', 'text': 'going to happen in the future? I think'}, {'start': '100.560', 'end': '104.400', 'text': "that's the major question. Bob, what are"}, {'start': '102.560', 'end': '106.320', 'text': 'you hearing from cardinals here? Well,'}, {'start': '104.400', 'end': '108.159', 'text': "look, we know that there's been a debate"}, {'start': '106.320', 'end': '110.159', 'text': 'about whether there should be unity'}, {'start': '108.159', 'end': '112.399', 'text': 'going forward, whether there there'}, {'start': '110.159', 'end': '114.880', 'text': 'should be some sort of consensus about'}, {'start': '112.399', 'end': '117.040', 'text': 'this choice of the next figure. I I'}, {'start': '114.880', 'end': '119.439', 'text': 'think that uh the the criticism of that'}, {'start': '117.040', 'end': '121.520', 'text': 'idea is exactly right on that. What we'}, {'start': '119.439', 'end': '123.280', 'text': 'need right now is a bit more openness in'}, {'start': '121.520', 'end': '124.799', 'text': "the way that we talk about it. I'm not"}, {'start': '123.280', 'end': '127.200', 'text': "sure we're getting it. What we hear from"}, {'start': '124.799', 'end': '128.959', 'text': "a lot of people is there's still as you"}, {'start': '127.200', 'end': '131.120', 'text': 'would expect because so many of these'}, {'start': '128.959', 'end': '132.959', 'text': 'these cardinals have been appointed by'}, {'start': '131.120', 'end': '135.440', 'text': "Pope Francis, there's still that"}, {'start': '132.959', 'end': '137.040', 'text': 'lingering sense of being loyal to the'}, {'start': '135.440', 'end': '140.000', 'text': 'man who made them who they are right'}, {'start': '137.040', 'end': '141.599', 'text': 'now. But I think as the the days go on'}, {'start': '140.000', 'end': '143.599', 'text': 'and we know that there are a lot of days'}, {'start': '141.599', 'end': '145.040', 'text': 'between now and the actual beginning of'}, {'start': '143.599', 'end': '146.879', 'text': 'the conclave, the conclave is where'}, {'start': '145.040', 'end': '149.920', 'text': "they're going to enter into the cyine"}, {'start': '146.879', 'end': '152.000', 'text': 'chapter. A little under a week. Yeah. Um'}, {'start': '149.920', 'end': '153.920', 'text': "the for me the one thing that I'm a bit"}, {'start': '152.000', 'end': '155.840', 'text': 'worried about is a lot of these people'}, {'start': '153.920', 'end': '157.599', 'text': "don't know one another. This is not"}, {'start': '155.840', 'end': '158.800', 'text': 'really the best time to get to know one'}, {'start': '157.599', 'end': '160.959', 'text': 'another. It would be a lot better if'}, {'start': '158.800', 'end': '163.280', 'text': 'they had spent some years over the last'}, {'start': '160.959', 'end': '165.120', 'text': 'decade and more uh working on things'}, {'start': '163.280', 'end': '167.120', 'text': 'together, discussing things together,'}, {'start': '165.120', 'end': '169.360', 'text': "but Francis didn't really like getting"}, {'start': '167.120', 'end': '171.040', 'text': 'the Cardinals together so very much. So'}, {'start': '169.360', 'end': '173.519', 'text': 'there could be a lot of surprises coming'}, {'start': '171.040', 'end': '175.360', 'text': "down. For now, I think that there's that"}, {'start': '173.519', 'end': '177.200', 'text': 'general sense of loyalty to what has'}, {'start': '175.360', 'end': '178.640', 'text': 'been in the past, but I think more and'}, {'start': '177.200', 'end': '180.720', 'text': "more we're going to start to see some"}, {'start': '178.640', 'end': '182.480', 'text': 'changes and some different voices'}, {'start': '180.720', 'end': '184.959', 'text': 'beginning to come to the four. Well, the'}, {'start': '182.480', 'end': '187.280', 'text': 'homalies uh during these nine days of'}, {'start': '184.959', 'end': '189.440', 'text': 'mourning are fascinating because people'}, {'start': '187.280', 'end': '191.599', 'text': "will remember it was Benedict the 16th's"}, {'start': '189.440', 'end': '193.519', 'text': 'homaly at the funeral of John Paul II'}, {'start': '191.599', 'end': '195.120', 'text': 'that sort of sealed the deal for him.'}, {'start': '193.519', 'end': '196.959', 'text': 'People heard this and said, "This is a'}, {'start': '195.120', 'end': '199.440', 'text': "prophetic voice. It's a continuation of"}, {'start': '196.959', 'end': '202.120', 'text': 'the legacy. Let\'s go with this." This'}, {'start': '199.440', 'end': '204.480', 'text': 'week we heard from uh Cardinal Giovani'}, {'start': '202.120', 'end': '206.480', 'text': 'Batistere, the dean of the college of'}, {'start': '204.480', 'end': '208.400', 'text': 'cardinals here. He preached at the'}, {'start': '206.480', 'end': '211.840', 'text': 'funeral, but it was a very different'}, {'start': '208.400', 'end': '213.920', 'text': 'tone. Um it he he drifted into very'}, {'start': '211.840', 'end': '215.599', 'text': 'political areas. And I want to read a'}, {'start': '213.920', 'end': '217.360', 'text': 'little of this for you. He said,'}, {'start': '215.599', 'end': '219.840', 'text': 'speaking of Pope Francis, his gestures'}, {'start': '217.360', 'end': '222.159', 'text': 'and exhortations in favor of the'}, {'start': '219.840', 'end': '224.560', 'text': 'refugees and displaced persons are'}, {'start': '222.159', 'end': '227.040', 'text': 'countless. His insistence on working on'}, {'start': '224.560', 'end': '229.840', 'text': 'behalf of the poor was constant. It is'}, {'start': '227.040', 'end': '232.879', 'text': "significant that Pope Francis's first"}, {'start': '229.840', 'end': '236.080', 'text': 'journey was to Lampaduza, an island that'}, {'start': '232.879', 'end': '237.920', 'text': 'symbolizes the tragedy of immigration.'}, {'start': '236.080', 'end': '239.400', 'text': "Um, I guess my question is Bob, I'll"}, {'start': '237.920', 'end': '244.480', 'text': 'start with you. Your thoughts'}, {'start': '239.400', 'end': '245.920', 'text': 'on the entire He mentions walls build we'}, {'start': '244.480', 'end': '247.760', 'text': "can't build walls. We have to build"}, {'start': '245.920', 'end': '250.400', 'text': 'bridges with Trump and world leaders'}, {'start': '247.760', 'end': '252.560', 'text': 'right there. Did that achieve anything?'}, {'start': '250.400', 'end': '254.480', 'text': "I don't think it did. And and in fact I"}, {'start': '252.560', 'end': '257.040', 'text': 'this may sound a little harsh but I'}, {'start': '254.480', 'end': '258.959', 'text': 'think that the Holy Father misread the'}, {'start': '257.040', 'end': '260.959', 'text': 'moment in history that actually what'}, {'start': '258.959', 'end': '263.360', 'text': "what we've seen over the last 12 years"}, {'start': '260.959', 'end': '265.840', 'text': 'is that countries here in Europe and'}, {'start': '263.360', 'end': '268.240', 'text': 'also uh in North America are being'}, {'start': '265.840', 'end': '270.240', 'text': 'inundated by illegal immigration. This'}, {'start': '268.240', 'end': '271.680', 'text': 'is one of the most hot button issues not'}, {'start': '270.240', 'end': '273.040', 'text': 'only in the United States as we know'}, {'start': '271.680', 'end': '276.160', 'text': 'with the the election of President'}, {'start': '273.040', 'end': '278.000', 'text': 'Trump, but here in Italy, you have Geh'}, {'start': '276.160', 'end': '279.440', 'text': "Georgia Maloney who's now the prime"}, {'start': '278.000', 'end': '281.040', 'text': "minister who's a conservative and is"}, {'start': '279.440', 'end': '283.440', 'text': "trying it's trying for all of the"}, {'start': '281.040', 'end': '285.479', 'text': 'European Union to set up a kind of'}, {'start': '283.440', 'end': '287.919', 'text': 'policy that will restrict this this'}, {'start': '285.479', 'end': '290.960', 'text': "unrestricted uh immigration and it's"}, {'start': '287.919', 'end': '293.440', 'text': 'also a problem in Austria, in Germany,'}, {'start': '290.960', 'end': '295.600', 'text': 'in France and England. Um I think he'}, {'start': '293.440', 'end': '297.280', 'text': 'misread that and this is I I I think he'}, {'start': '295.600', 'end': '299.600', 'text': 'misread it because he thought of it in'}, {'start': '297.280', 'end': '302.000', 'text': 'terms of not welcoming the stranger or'}, {'start': '299.600', 'end': '303.759', 'text': 'not being open to others. Yes, that is'}, {'start': '302.000', 'end': '306.720', 'text': 'part of the Christianity but in in'}, {'start': '303.759', 'end': '308.479', 'text': 'policy terms most of most of the'}, {'start': '306.720', 'end': '310.639', 'text': 'developed countries simply cannot take'}, {'start': '308.479', 'end': '312.160', 'text': "more immigration. They can't integrate"}, {'start': '310.639', 'end': '315.120', 'text': "people who are coming in and it's"}, {'start': '312.160', 'end': '316.800', 'text': 'causing severe social tensions. Why lead'}, {'start': '315.120', 'end': '318.400', 'text': 'with that at a funeral, right?'}, {'start': '316.800', 'end': '320.800', 'text': 'Absolutely. Father, I have to ask you'}, {'start': '318.400', 'end': '324.880', 'text': 'about this. There was that koda uh at'}, {'start': '320.800', 'end': '327.600', 'text': "the very end of uh Cardinal Ray's homaly"}, {'start': '324.880', 'end': '330.639', 'text': 'where he said Pope Francis asked us to'}, {'start': '327.600', 'end': '332.960', 'text': 'pray for him but now we ask him to pray'}, {'start': '330.639', 'end': '334.720', 'text': 'for us. Your reaction to that and how do'}, {'start': '332.960', 'end': '337.759', 'text': 'you think the cardinals of the the'}, {'start': '334.720', 'end': '340.160', 'text': 'college of cardinals receive that? Well'}, {'start': '337.759', 'end': '341.840', 'text': 'uh you know the presumption if you ask'}, {'start': '340.160', 'end': '344.160', 'text': "him to pray for us means he's already in"}, {'start': '341.840', 'end': '345.840', 'text': 'heaven. And the first message of any'}, {'start': '344.160', 'end': '347.520', 'text': 'Christian funeral is pray for the soul'}, {'start': '345.840', 'end': '349.360', 'text': "of the deceased because if he's in"}, {'start': '347.520', 'end': '351.280', 'text': 'purgatory, we want his time to be'}, {'start': '349.360', 'end': '353.520', 'text': 'shortened. We want him to be raised up'}, {'start': '351.280', 'end': '355.759', 'text': "to the glory of heaven. Now, there's a"}, {'start': '353.520', 'end': '357.360', 'text': "pious and it's sort of a Catholic"}, {'start': '355.759', 'end': '359.919', 'text': 'tradition that the souls in purgatory'}, {'start': '357.360', 'end': '362.160', 'text': 'can pray for us. So, not necessarily'}, {'start': '359.919', 'end': '363.680', 'text': "indicating that he's canonizing him, but"}, {'start': '362.160', 'end': '365.520', 'text': "sad to say at funerals, and there's a"}, {'start': '363.680', 'end': '366.800', 'text': 'common critique that you go to a funeral'}, {'start': '365.520', 'end': '369.759', 'text': 'instead of praying for the soul,'}, {'start': '366.800', 'end': '372.160', 'text': 'everybody is canonized. So, no, we we'}, {'start': '369.759', 'end': '374.080', 'text': 'leave the the prayers of all of the'}, {'start': '372.160', 'end': '376.639', 'text': 'faithful in the hands of God, including'}, {'start': '374.080', 'end': '378.639', 'text': 'for Pope Francis. But, yeah, I was a'}, {'start': '376.639', 'end': '380.080', 'text': 'little unhappy, to be honest. We'}, {'start': '378.639', 'end': '381.759', 'text': "shouldn't be assuming that he doesn't"}, {'start': '380.080', 'end': '383.440', 'text': "need our prayers anymore because he's"}, {'start': '381.759', 'end': '386.400', 'text': 'already in heaven. Well, some saw this'}, {'start': '383.440', 'end': '388.160', 'text': 'as an as an attempt to sort of rush to'}, {'start': '386.400', 'end': '389.720', 'text': 'the conclave and say, "Wait, look, we'}, {'start': '388.160', 'end': '393.520', 'text': 'have this saintly pope. We need to'}, {'start': '389.720', 'end': '396.960', 'text': 'continue his his uh agenda and and his'}, {'start': '393.520', 'end': '399.520', 'text': 'vision for the church." Well, you know,'}, {'start': '396.960', 'end': '402.160', 'text': 'as the Jesuit general said, the pope is'}, {'start': '399.520', 'end': '404.160', 'text': 'the successor of Peter, not of Francis.'}, {'start': '402.160', 'end': '406.160', 'text': "So, continuity's got to be with the"}, {'start': '404.160', 'end': '409.120', 'text': 'original message of Christ given to the'}, {'start': '406.160', 'end': '410.880', 'text': 'apostles. And in as much as Francis had'}, {'start': '409.120', 'end': '413.039', 'text': "some difficult teachings, which we've"}, {'start': '410.880', 'end': '414.880', 'text': "discussed over the years, uh we don't"}, {'start': '413.039', 'end': '416.319', 'text': 'want any blanket endorsement saying'}, {'start': '414.880', 'end': '417.759', 'text': "everything that's happened now, nothing"}, {'start': '416.319', 'end': '420.800', 'text': 'can be changed. No, that would be a'}, {'start': '417.759', 'end': '423.039', 'text': 'mistake. Uh German Cardinal uh Walter'}, {'start': '420.800', 'end': '424.479', 'text': 'Casper gave an interview this week with'}, {'start': '423.039', 'end': '427.440', 'text': 'La Republic.'}, {'start': '424.479', 'end': '430.639', 'text': 'giving his two cents on the kind of man'}, {'start': '427.440', 'end': '432.479', 'text': 'he believes should succeed Pope Francis.'}, {'start': '430.639', 'end': '434.960', 'text': 'He said the people of God have already'}, {'start': '432.479', 'end': '437.199', 'text': 'voted at the funeral and they have'}, {'start': '434.960', 'end': '439.120', 'text': 'called for continuity with Francis.'}, {'start': '437.199', 'end': '440.800', 'text': "Casper is 92 years old. He's a non-"}, {'start': '439.120', 'end': '443.199', 'text': 'voting member of the college. Caused a'}, {'start': '440.800', 'end': '445.199', 'text': 'lot of mayhem during that family senate'}, {'start': '443.199', 'end': '447.280', 'text': 'uh where he he was the primary advocate'}, {'start': '445.199', 'end': '448.960', 'text': 'for granting communion to divorced and'}, {'start': '447.280', 'end': '451.520', 'text': 'remarried people without an anulment.'}, {'start': '448.960', 'end': '453.919', 'text': 'Your thoughts, father? First, uh, do you'}, {'start': '451.520', 'end': '455.599', 'text': "get the impression that that's what the"}, {'start': '453.919', 'end': '457.440', 'text': 'crowd was saying as they witnessed the'}, {'start': '455.599', 'end': '459.599', 'text': 'funeral here and around the world? No.'}, {'start': '457.440', 'end': '461.759', 'text': 'The the crowd was expressing Catholic'}, {'start': '459.599', 'end': '463.919', 'text': 'piety and devotion to the successor of'}, {'start': '461.759', 'end': '466.400', 'text': 'Peter. Gratitude for the many good'}, {'start': '463.919', 'end': '469.039', 'text': 'things that Pope Francis did. Gratitude,'}, {'start': '466.400', 'end': '471.280', 'text': 'you know, very much so for his final'}, {'start': '469.039', 'end': '473.280', 'text': 'days when he suffered and yet came out'}, {'start': '471.280', 'end': '474.800', 'text': 'to see the people and how touching it'}, {'start': '473.280', 'end': '477.199', 'text': 'was to see the pope greeting children'}, {'start': '474.800', 'end': '480.000', 'text': 'who were presented to him on that uh at'}, {'start': '477.199', 'end': '482.160', 'text': 'the mass there on Easter Sunday. No,'}, {'start': '480.000', 'end': '484.400', 'text': "it's presumptuous and a little bit of,"}, {'start': '482.160', 'end': '486.240', 'text': 'you know, politicking to say the crowd'}, {'start': '484.400', 'end': '488.479', 'text': 'has spoken. Nothing more needs to be'}, {'start': '486.240', 'end': '490.800', 'text': 'said. No, a lot more needs to be said.'}, {'start': '488.479', 'end': '494.160', 'text': 'Your reaction to that? And I I keep'}, {'start': '490.800', 'end': '496.400', 'text': 'thinking of uh Archbishop Shapiw who'}, {'start': '494.160', 'end': '499.280', 'text': 'said this is a time for full cander. And'}, {'start': '496.400', 'end': '501.360', 'text': 'in full cander, I have to say, uh the'}, {'start': '499.280', 'end': '503.360', 'text': "numbers don't bear that out. Talk to"}, {'start': '501.360', 'end': '505.840', 'text': 'that. Yeah. You know, I was here for the'}, {'start': '503.360', 'end': '508.160', 'text': 'beatification of John Paul II, not the'}, {'start': '505.840', 'end': '509.919', 'text': 'canonization. We I think we all did.'}, {'start': '508.160', 'end': '512.240', 'text': 'Yeah, we anchored it and my wife and I'}, {'start': '509.919', 'end': '515.360', 'text': 'were were staying in an apartment over'}, {'start': '512.240', 'end': '517.120', 'text': "here in um Patimento. We couldn't get"}, {'start': '515.360', 'end': '520.320', 'text': 'outside of the apartment. There were'}, {'start': '517.120', 'end': '521.839', 'text': 'millions of people all over this area. I'}, {'start': '520.320', 'end': '524.240', 'text': 'came over for the funeral the other day.'}, {'start': '521.839', 'end': '526.399', 'text': 'And look, it was a moving event. It'}, {'start': '524.240', 'end': '528.240', 'text': "always is when there's there's a a pope"}, {'start': '526.399', 'end': '529.680', 'text': 'involved. But if it were not for all the'}, {'start': '528.240', 'end': '531.600', 'text': 'young people, and the young people who'}, {'start': '529.680', 'end': '533.040', 'text': 'are here, by the way, were not here for'}, {'start': '531.600', 'end': '534.560', 'text': 'the pope. This this they were here'}, {'start': '533.040', 'end': '536.399', 'text': 'because they were scheduled for the'}, {'start': '534.560', 'end': '537.920', 'text': "canonization of Carlo Acutis. That's"}, {'start': '536.399', 'end': '539.600', 'text': 'right. So, you know, there were it was a'}, {'start': '537.920', 'end': '541.760', 'text': 'nice feel that there were young people'}, {'start': '539.600', 'end': '543.680', 'text': "here, but they weren't here exactly for"}, {'start': '541.760', 'end': '545.839', 'text': "him. And the crowd, you know, you don't"}, {'start': '543.680', 'end': '548.560', 'text': 'want to base too much on the size of a'}, {'start': '545.839', 'end': '551.279', 'text': 'crowd because crowd sizes are always'}, {'start': '548.560', 'end': '553.279', 'text': 'disputed in events like this. But I'}, {'start': '551.279', 'end': '555.440', 'text': "don't know how Cardinal Casper, who is"}, {'start': '553.279', 'end': '557.920', 'text': "distant and uh let's say a bit of"}, {'start': '555.440', 'end': '559.440', 'text': 'elderly, was able to to gauge where the'}, {'start': '557.920', 'end': '561.839', 'text': 'church ought to go on the basis of who'}, {'start': '559.440', 'end': '564.399', 'text': 'happened to be here. Wednesday audience'}, {'start': '561.839', 'end': '566.240', 'text': 'attendance and and uh see coming here'}, {'start': '564.399', 'end': '569.120', 'text': 'for the evangelist. Those numbers you'}, {'start': '566.240', 'end': '571.760', 'text': 'can look up. They were vastly down from'}, {'start': '569.120', 'end': '573.839', 'text': 'Benedict and John Paul II. Vastly down.'}, {'start': '571.760', 'end': '575.760', 'text': "And I won't get into them, but uh we"}, {'start': '573.839', 'end': '578.000', 'text': 'should mention the historic procession'}, {'start': '575.760', 'end': '579.839', 'text': "of Pope Francis's body through Rome to"}, {'start': '578.000', 'end': '582.320', 'text': 'his chosen place of breast, St. Mary'}, {'start': '579.839', 'end': '585.240', 'text': 'Major Basilica. The first such'}, {'start': '582.320', 'end': '587.600', 'text': 'procession since Pas'}, {'start': '585.240', 'end': '589.920', 'text': '12th and the first pope to be buried'}, {'start': '587.600', 'end': '592.560', 'text': 'outside the Vatican since Leo the 13th'}, {'start': '589.920', 'end': '595.760', 'text': 'over 100 years ago. So I I Bob, how'}, {'start': '592.560', 'end': '598.320', 'text': 'significant was the decision by Francis'}, {'start': '595.760', 'end': '600.560', 'text': 'even in death to separate himself from'}, {'start': '598.320', 'end': '602.080', 'text': 'his predecessors? He wanted to be buried'}, {'start': '600.560', 'end': '604.880', 'text': 'not here at the grotto of the Vatican,'}, {'start': '602.080', 'end': '607.120', 'text': 'but yeah. Well, I mean, look, a lot a'}, {'start': '604.880', 'end': '608.800', 'text': 'lot of people are critical of that. They'}, {'start': '607.120', 'end': '610.480', 'text': "think it's him trying to show himself as"}, {'start': '608.800', 'end': '612.480', 'text': 'different than everybody else and and'}, {'start': '610.480', 'end': '613.839', 'text': "even his tombstone because it's it's so"}, {'start': '612.480', 'end': '615.760', 'text': "simple. They're critical of that. I'm"}, {'start': '613.839', 'end': '617.920', 'text': "I'm a little bit skeptical that that's"}, {'start': '615.760', 'end': '620.640', 'text': 'the right way to read it. We know that'}, {'start': '617.920', 'end': '623.279', 'text': 'every a uh before and after every trip'}, {'start': '620.640', 'end': '626.240', 'text': 'he took outside of of the Vatican, he'}, {'start': '623.279', 'end': '628.320', 'text': 'went to worship with our lady uh'}, {'start': '626.240', 'end': '630.959', 'text': 'salvation of the Roman people. He had a'}, {'start': '628.320', 'end': '634.000', 'text': 'very strong uh devotion to our lady and'}, {'start': '630.959', 'end': '636.000', 'text': 'that particular icon of the virgin uh'}, {'start': '634.000', 'end': '637.360', 'text': 'for the Roman people. So I I think we'}, {'start': '636.000', 'end': '639.680', 'text': 'need to cut him a little slack about'}, {'start': '637.360', 'end': '643.519', 'text': 'that. And it looks a very beautiful'}, {'start': '639.680', 'end': '645.519', 'text': "church there. Uh it it I I I don't want"}, {'start': '643.519', 'end': '646.640', 'text': 'to politicize everything. Yeah, I get'}, {'start': '645.519', 'end': '648.640', 'text': 'it. You want to add anything to that?'}, {'start': '646.640', 'end': '650.560', 'text': "No, I agree with Bob. You can't read"}, {'start': '648.640', 'end': '652.320', 'text': 'everything that you think into one'}, {'start': '650.560', 'end': '654.399', 'text': 'simple action. But I will say I was very'}, {'start': '652.320', 'end': '656.480', 'text': 'touched watching that coverage of all'}, {'start': '654.399', 'end': '658.320', 'text': 'the Romans who lined the route. There'}, {'start': '656.480', 'end': '659.600', 'text': 'were so many people, families out there'}, {'start': '658.320', 'end': '660.480', 'text': 'and they were Romans because this was'}, {'start': '659.600', 'end': '662.079', 'text': 'going through different neighborhood'}, {'start': '660.480', 'end': '664.000', 'text': 'from where the tourists usually go, the'}, {'start': '662.079', 'end': '665.360', 'text': 'pilgrims. So it was very moving. I mean'}, {'start': '664.000', 'end': '666.880', 'text': 'this great love for the pope whether you'}, {'start': '665.360', 'end': '668.800', 'text': 'agree or disagree with things that he'}, {'start': '666.880', 'end': '670.880', 'text': 'did and that was expressed I think by'}, {'start': '668.800', 'end': '674.560', 'text': 'the Catholic world. Yeah. Uh there are'}, {'start': '670.880', 'end': '676.880', 'text': 'there are 135 electors that could come'}, {'start': '674.560', 'end': '679.120', 'text': 'to the conclave. Two have now said one'}, {'start': '676.880', 'end': '681.120', 'text': 'from Spain, one from Kenya. They are'}, {'start': '679.120', 'end': '683.680', 'text': "bowing out due to illness. So there'll"}, {'start': '681.120', 'end': '685.920', 'text': 'be 133 men here. Both of them considered'}, {'start': '683.680', 'end': '688.399', 'text': 'to be traditional. What impact if any do'}, {'start': '685.920', 'end': '690.640', 'text': 'you think that has on the outcome here?'}, {'start': '688.399', 'end': '693.200', 'text': 'Uh you could say numerically not that'}, {'start': '690.640', 'end': '695.279', 'text': 'much, but their presence of course uh is'}, {'start': '693.200', 'end': '696.800', 'text': 'missing and their contributions to the'}, {'start': '695.279', 'end': '699.200', 'text': 'discussions, the pre-conclave'}, {'start': '696.800', 'end': '701.200', 'text': "discussions. So, no, it's it's always a"}, {'start': '699.200', 'end': '703.600', 'text': "shame when uh a cardinal can't make it"}, {'start': '701.200', 'end': '705.839', 'text': 'because of illness or or or extreme age.'}, {'start': '703.600', 'end': '708.079', 'text': 'So, uh now the Holy Spirit has got to'}, {'start': '705.839', 'end': '710.160', 'text': 'work with a smaller group. Yeah. Well,'}, {'start': '708.079', 'end': '711.680', 'text': "and it's a this is a group of people who"}, {'start': '710.160', 'end': '713.760', 'text': "really don't know each other. I mean, I"}, {'start': '711.680', 'end': '715.200', 'text': "that's the thing I keep hearing, but I I"}, {'start': '713.760', 'end': '717.040', 'text': 'know cardinals going in for the first'}, {'start': '715.200', 'end': '718.519', 'text': "time and they're like they feel totally"}, {'start': '717.040', 'end': '721.600', 'text': 'at sea. Some of them were just made'}, {'start': '718.519', 'end': '723.600', 'text': 'cardinals recently la in the last year.'}, {'start': '721.600', 'end': '726.079', 'text': "Yeah. You know, I I also think it's"}, {'start': '723.600', 'end': '728.000', 'text': 'regrettable. Uh we we sometimes have'}, {'start': '726.079', 'end': '729.760', 'text': 'talked about Pope Francis as not'}, {'start': '728.000', 'end': '732.079', 'text': 'particularly appreciating the United'}, {'start': '729.760', 'end': '733.760', 'text': 'States, but we really should have more'}, {'start': '732.079', 'end': '735.279', 'text': 'Americans in the room who are going to'}, {'start': '733.760', 'end': '736.880', 'text': 'be voting. Why would you say that? Well,'}, {'start': '735.279', 'end': '738.880', 'text': "we don't have a cardinal from Baltimore."}, {'start': '736.880', 'end': '740.320', 'text': "We don't have one from Philadelphia. We"}, {'start': '738.880', 'end': '742.399', 'text': "don't have one from Los Angeles, which"}, {'start': '740.320', 'end': '744.720', 'text': 'is a huge dasis, and one would have'}, {'start': '742.399', 'end': '747.519', 'text': 'expected that the uh the archbishop'}, {'start': '744.720', 'end': '749.519', 'text': 'there who is Hispanic would uh Jose'}, {'start': '747.519', 'end': '751.440', 'text': 'Gomez would have been made a cardinal.'}, {'start': '749.519', 'end': '754.000', 'text': 'and instead what what we have are some'}, {'start': '751.440', 'end': '758.079', 'text': 'of those McCerrick cardinals that uh'}, {'start': '754.000', 'end': '759.680', 'text': "let's say are problematic groups. So, um"}, {'start': '758.079', 'end': '761.200', 'text': "yeah, it's too bad that those two aren't"}, {'start': '759.680', 'end': '764.000', 'text': 'here, but there there are others who'}, {'start': '761.200', 'end': '766.959', 'text': 'also are missing in a an interesting'}, {'start': '764.000', 'end': '769.680', 'text': 'way. Yeah. Uh it was announced this week'}, {'start': '766.959', 'end': '773.600', 'text': 'that Cardinal Reinhardt Marx, Cardinal'}, {'start': '769.680', 'end': '775.680', 'text': 'Lewis Toglay and Cardinal Dominic Merti'}, {'start': '773.600', 'end': '777.920', 'text': 'were all selected by the college of'}, {'start': '775.680', 'end': '780.000', 'text': 'cardinals in this general congregation'}, {'start': '777.920', 'end': '781.920', 'text': 'to assist the Karlango. The Karl Lango'}, {'start': '780.000', 'end': '784.959', 'text': 'is sort of the administrator, Cardinal'}, {'start': '781.920', 'end': '787.519', 'text': 'Kevin Ferrell. They will be responsible'}, {'start': '784.959', 'end': '789.600', 'text': 'for organizing the conclave. Now'}, {'start': '787.519', 'end': '791.279', 'text': 'Cardinal Markx is a major player in the'}, {'start': '789.600', 'end': '794.480', 'text': "German sonatal way. We've talked about"}, {'start': '791.279', 'end': '796.399', 'text': 'him for years now. Um, Taglay in the'}, {'start': '794.480', 'end': '798.320', 'text': 'Philippines is considered to be a frontr'}, {'start': '796.399', 'end': '802.160', 'text': 'runner for the next pope and Cardinal'}, {'start': '798.320', 'end': '804.160', 'text': 'Mambber Mambberti of of France is also'}, {'start': '802.160', 'end': '806.480', 'text': 'uh the protodacon of the college and'}, {'start': '804.160', 'end': '809.680', 'text': 'will announce to the world we have a'}, {'start': '806.480', 'end': '812.720', 'text': 'pope habos papam. Uh your thoughts on'}, {'start': '809.680', 'end': '815.600', 'text': 'this group so close to the organization'}, {'start': '812.720', 'end': '818.320', 'text': 'of the c of this conclave process. I'}, {'start': '815.600', 'end': '820.000', 'text': 'think they were chosen at random. Uh'}, {'start': '818.320', 'end': '821.920', 'text': "yeah, I'm not sure how that happened,"}, {'start': '820.000', 'end': '823.880', 'text': "but they're all insiders we could say of"}, {'start': '821.920', 'end': '826.959', 'text': 'the Roman curious. So it represents the'}, {'start': '823.880', 'end': '828.399', 'text': 'curial importance in doing this. It it'}, {'start': '826.959', 'end': '830.480', 'text': 'makes a lot of sense that people are'}, {'start': '828.399', 'end': '832.240', 'text': 'going to be doing protocol things uh'}, {'start': '830.480', 'end': '834.079', 'text': 'would be familiar with the way things'}, {'start': '832.240', 'end': '835.920', 'text': 'operate here, but it would have been'}, {'start': '834.079', 'end': '838.480', 'text': 'nice if somebody was picked who was a'}, {'start': '835.920', 'end': '840.880', 'text': 'diosis and bishop from uh you know a'}, {'start': '838.480', 'end': '842.399', 'text': 'non-European continent. Yeah. Or would'}, {'start': '840.880', 'end': '844.000', 'text': "your thoughts? Yeah. I don't have a lot"}, {'start': '842.399', 'end': '845.519', 'text': 'of thoughts frankly about this. I mean'}, {'start': '844.000', 'end': '848.160', 'text': 'we I think we have to see from the'}, {'start': '845.519', 'end': '852.000', 'text': 'results whether this is actually some'}, {'start': '848.160', 'end': '853.360', 'text': 'sort of um substantive move to shape the'}, {'start': '852.000', 'end': '854.880', 'text': 'way that the conclave is going to take'}, {'start': '853.360', 'end': '857.120', 'text': "place or whether it's just the the kind"}, {'start': '854.880', 'end': '859.279', 'text': 'of insight as father is talking about'}, {'start': '857.120', 'end': '860.959', 'text': 'insiders who know a bit about procedure.'}, {'start': '859.279', 'end': '862.720', 'text': "I don't want to wade too deeply into"}, {'start': '860.959', 'end': '864.720', 'text': 'this, but we do have to talk about a few'}, {'start': '862.720', 'end': '867.199', 'text': 'of the candidates. We mentioned Cardinal'}, {'start': '864.720', 'end': '870.079', 'text': 'Taglay of uh the Philippines, whom I'}, {'start': '867.199', 'end': '873.680', 'text': 'interviewed back in 2014, about the'}, {'start': '870.079', 'end': '876.320', 'text': 'family senate, and how it was even then'}, {'start': '873.680', 'end': '877.839', 'text': 'um wrestling with this idea of granting'}, {'start': '876.320', 'end': '879.839', 'text': 'communion to divorced and remarried'}, {'start': '877.839', 'end': '884.320', 'text': 'Catholics. Listen to this.'}, {'start': '879.839', 'end': '887.279', 'text': 'Is it possible to envision'}, {'start': '884.320', 'end': '888.959', 'text': 'a policy that would allow Catholics to'}, {'start': '887.279', 'end': '891.360', 'text': 'divorce and remarried without an'}, {'start': '888.959', 'end': '894.240', 'text': 'anulment given the church teaching and'}, {'start': '891.360', 'end': '896.480', 'text': "Christ's teaching on the indesolubility"}, {'start': '894.240', 'end': '899.199', 'text': 'of marriage? Is it possible? I just came'}, {'start': '896.480', 'end': '901.839', 'text': 'from a meeting of uh the preparatory'}, {'start': '899.199', 'end': '904.800', 'text': 'committee for the senum thing this the'}, {'start': '901.839', 'end': '906.959', 'text': 'following things are very clear.'}, {'start': '904.800', 'end': '910.920', 'text': 'the teaching of Jesus and the teaching'}, {'start': '906.959', 'end': '914.160', 'text': 'of the church will not be changed. No,'}, {'start': '910.920', 'end': '917.560', 'text': 'what people are looking at right now,'}, {'start': '914.160', 'end': '919.399', 'text': 'especially the canonists, is this.'}, {'start': '917.560', 'end': '924.079', 'text': 'No.'}, {'start': '919.399', 'end': '929.079', 'text': 'Uh, how could law, how could canon law'}, {'start': '924.079', 'end': '932.480', 'text': 'and its procedures, no, reflect more'}, {'start': '929.079', 'end': '936.399', 'text': 'clearly, you know, the teaching of Jesus'}, {'start': '932.480', 'end': '939.279', 'text': 'Christ, no, and the teaching of the'}, {'start': '936.399', 'end': '944.480', 'text': 'church. Because some some people are'}, {'start': '939.279', 'end': '948.639', 'text': 'claiming that the canonical procedures'}, {'start': '944.480', 'end': '951.600', 'text': 'are uh too are too rigid. And uh also'}, {'start': '948.639', 'end': '952.759', 'text': 'some are even asking uh the do the'}, {'start': '951.600', 'end': '955.959', 'text': 'canonical'}, {'start': '952.759', 'end': '959.680', 'text': 'prescriptions are they clear about the'}, {'start': '955.959', 'end': '963.120', 'text': 'doctrinal basis or is the legal'}, {'start': '959.680', 'end': '966.480', 'text': 'canonical path taking its own way uh'}, {'start': '963.120', 'end': '968.160', 'text': 'quite separately from the doctrinal uh'}, {'start': '966.480', 'end': '971.040', 'text': 'dimension.'}, {'start': '968.160', 'end': '972.880', 'text': 'Father is canon law this malleable? I'}, {'start': '971.040', 'end': '975.120', 'text': "mean let's start with have the teachings"}, {'start': '972.880', 'end': '978.480', 'text': 'of Jesus Christ and the church changed'}, {'start': '975.120', 'end': '980.880', 'text': 'in this area? I mean, Taglay said it'}, {'start': '978.480', 'end': '983.240', 'text': "it's not changing, but no, it the"}, {'start': '980.880', 'end': '986.320', 'text': 'teaching cannot change. The teaching is'}, {'start': '983.240', 'end': '988.320', 'text': "that divorce and remarage means you're"}, {'start': '986.320', 'end': '990.480', 'text': 'in an adulterous second relationship.'}, {'start': '988.320', 'end': '993.040', 'text': "Adultery is a mortal sin. You're"}, {'start': '990.480', 'end': '995.199', 'text': 'objectively living in a sinful state. If'}, {'start': '993.040', 'end': '997.839', 'text': 'you perure in an adulterous second'}, {'start': '995.199', 'end': '999.600', 'text': 'union, the charity of the church is to'}, {'start': '997.839', 'end': '1001.519', 'text': "tell people, you don't have to remain in"}, {'start': '999.600', 'end': '1003.279', 'text': 'mortal sin. you can leave mortal sin,'}, {'start': '1001.519', 'end': '1005.519', 'text': "but if you are, if you're consciously"}, {'start': '1003.279', 'end': '1007.519', 'text': "disobeying God's law, you cannot receive"}, {'start': '1005.519', 'end': '1010.720', 'text': 'communion. Now, defending Catholic'}, {'start': '1007.519', 'end': '1012.480', 'text': 'teaching is not rigidity or legalism.'}, {'start': '1010.720', 'end': '1014.959', 'text': "And in fact, it's frustrating and"}, {'start': '1012.480', 'end': '1017.480', 'text': 'infuriating after so many years, sad to'}, {'start': '1014.959', 'end': '1021.839', 'text': 'say, of being called backwardists,'}, {'start': '1017.480', 'end': '1024.720', 'text': 'Pharisees, rigid people. The law based'}, {'start': '1021.839', 'end': '1026.319', 'text': "on the gospel is lifegiving. This isn't"}, {'start': '1024.720', 'end': '1027.919', 'text': 'the ancient law of, you know, all the'}, {'start': '1026.319', 'end': '1029.839', 'text': 'little rules and regulation about how'}, {'start': '1027.919', 'end': '1032.799', 'text': 'you walk and where you stand. This is'}, {'start': '1029.839', 'end': '1034.720', 'text': 'about do I follow what Jesus said or do'}, {'start': '1032.799', 'end': '1038.400', 'text': 'I say I have a new and improved version.'}, {'start': '1034.720', 'end': '1039.839', 'text': "So yeah, rigidity is a slam word. It's"}, {'start': '1038.400', 'end': '1041.439', 'text': 'used against people want to uphold the'}, {'start': '1039.839', 'end': '1043.760', 'text': 'teaching. I hope that disappears from'}, {'start': '1041.439', 'end': '1046.000', 'text': 'the vocabulary. What do you make of cog'}, {'start': '1043.760', 'end': '1048.799', 'text': "taggle's candidacy that some are saying"}, {'start': '1046.000', 'end': '1051.200', 'text': "he's Francis 2.0? Yeah, I I think that"}, {'start': '1048.799', 'end': '1053.679', 'text': "that's generally the the case and it you"}, {'start': '1051.200', 'end': '1054.880', 'text': "know it's sort of typical of uh many of"}, {'start': '1053.679', 'end': '1056.480', 'text': "the things that we've had to talk about"}, {'start': '1054.880', 'end': '1059.280', 'text': 'over the past few years. what what he'}, {'start': '1056.480', 'end': '1062.080', 'text': 'said about that because you know Jesus'}, {'start': '1059.280', 'end': '1064.559', 'text': 'comes along in a in a Jewish society'}, {'start': '1062.080', 'end': '1066.160', 'text': 'that permits divorce and remarage very'}, {'start': '1064.559', 'end': '1068.240', 'text': 'easily. So he was stepping out and'}, {'start': '1066.160', 'end': '1070.480', 'text': "saying we're going to do you know we're"}, {'start': '1068.240', 'end': '1071.840', 'text': "we're something different. I mean Moses"}, {'start': '1070.480', 'end': '1073.360', 'text': 'let you do that because you were weak'}, {'start': '1071.840', 'end': '1075.280', 'text': "but that's not how it was from the"}, {'start': '1073.360', 'end': '1077.039', 'text': 'beginning. We remember that back in one'}, {'start': '1075.280', 'end': '1078.960', 'text': 'of the early cinners on the family,'}, {'start': '1077.039', 'end': '1081.360', 'text': 'there was a Latin American cardinal who'}, {'start': '1078.960', 'end': '1083.200', 'text': 'said, "We need to get back to to the'}, {'start': '1081.360', 'end': '1085.120', 'text': 'teachings of Moses as if, you know, we'}, {'start': '1083.200', 'end': '1086.960', 'text': 'could jump back over Jesus because we'}, {'start': '1085.120', 'end': '1089.520', 'text': 'want to we want to be merciful toward'}, {'start': '1086.960', 'end': '1090.799', 'text': 'other people." It\'s it\'s a a nonsensical'}, {'start': '1089.520', 'end': '1093.039', 'text': "thing that they're trying to push, but"}, {'start': '1090.799', 'end': '1094.400', 'text': "they they're technically okay. If you"}, {'start': '1093.039', 'end': '1096.000', 'text': 'look at the language of these documents,'}, {'start': '1094.400', 'end': '1097.919', 'text': "it's kind of technically they don't step"}, {'start': '1096.000', 'end': '1099.679', 'text': 'over, but they right up to the'}, {'start': '1097.919', 'end': '1101.039', 'text': 'implication is always something beyond'}, {'start': '1099.679', 'end': '1102.640', 'text': 'that. Well, the implication is'}, {'start': '1101.039', 'end': '1104.559', 'text': 'practically you can do whatever the hell'}, {'start': '1102.640', 'end': '1106.880', 'text': "you want. I'm I'm paraphrasing here."}, {'start': '1104.559', 'end': '1109.840', 'text': "This isn't the document. Practically,"}, {'start': '1106.880', 'end': '1111.760', 'text': "you can do what you want. But we don't"}, {'start': '1109.840', 'end': '1113.440', 'text': 'agree with that entirely, but go ahead.'}, {'start': '1111.760', 'end': '1116.000', 'text': 'You can still go to communion. I mean,'}, {'start': '1113.440', 'end': '1117.679', 'text': "it it is contradictory. And isn't that"}, {'start': '1116.000', 'end': '1119.280', 'text': "the heart? Let's just say it. That"}, {'start': '1117.679', 'end': '1121.280', 'text': 'really is at the heart of the Francis'}, {'start': '1119.280', 'end': '1122.720', 'text': "Pontificate. It's the contradiction."}, {'start': '1121.280', 'end': '1124.080', 'text': "We're not changing anything, but"}, {'start': '1122.720', 'end': '1127.200', 'text': 'everything practically has changed.'}, {'start': '1124.080', 'end': '1129.039', 'text': "Well, let's say blessing gay couples."}, {'start': '1127.200', 'end': '1130.880', 'text': 'Okay. We were told the church blesses'}, {'start': '1129.039', 'end': '1132.559', 'text': "everybody. It's true. We do. We don't"}, {'start': '1130.880', 'end': '1134.080', 'text': 'ask. But when the two people come'}, {'start': '1132.559', 'end': '1135.559', 'text': 'together who are involved in a sexual'}, {'start': '1134.080', 'end': '1138.160', 'text': 'relationship, which is inherently'}, {'start': '1135.559', 'end': '1140.799', 'text': 'immoral, and they ask for a blessing as'}, {'start': '1138.160', 'end': '1142.720', 'text': "a couple, they're wearing rings they put"}, {'start': '1140.799', 'end': '1145.600', 'text': 'on at their civil marriage ceremony.'}, {'start': '1142.720', 'end': '1147.840', 'text': 'Blessing them is saying people who'}, {'start': '1145.600', 'end': '1149.679', 'text': 'engage in sodomy are blessable in that'}, {'start': '1147.840', 'end': '1150.880', 'text': "capacity because they they're doing it"}, {'start': '1149.679', 'end': '1153.280', 'text': "together and we're going to bless them"}, {'start': '1150.880', 'end': '1154.559', 'text': 'together. Wrong. That has the next if'}, {'start': '1153.280', 'end': '1156.160', 'text': "the next pope doesn't change that, we're"}, {'start': '1154.559', 'end': '1157.440', 'text': 'going to have a very serious crisis in'}, {'start': '1156.160', 'end': '1159.679', 'text': "the church. We're going to turn into"}, {'start': '1157.440', 'end': '1161.600', 'text': "Anglicanism. Yeah. I mean, I've put this"}, {'start': '1159.679', 'end': '1165.440', 'text': 'I I wrote a column about this earlier in'}, {'start': '1161.600', 'end': '1168.160', 'text': 'the week called mercy, mercy, mercy,'}, {'start': '1165.440', 'end': '1170.000', 'text': 'as the old title of the song goes. And'}, {'start': '1168.160', 'end': '1172.320', 'text': 'you know, and mercy of course is a'}, {'start': '1170.000', 'end': '1173.760', 'text': 'central concept of both Judaism and'}, {'start': '1172.320', 'end': '1175.679', 'text': 'Christianity. We believe in a merciful'}, {'start': '1173.760', 'end': '1179.280', 'text': 'God, but we also believe in a God of'}, {'start': '1175.679', 'end': '1182.240', 'text': 'justice, of truth, of fidelity. And so'}, {'start': '1179.280', 'end': '1184.880', 'text': 'any one of those those virtues, absent'}, {'start': '1182.240', 'end': '1186.960', 'text': 'the other virtues, if that gets running'}, {'start': '1184.880', 'end': '1188.799', 'text': "wild, uh that's when you get into"}, {'start': '1186.960', 'end': '1190.880', 'text': 'difficulties. All those must be kept at'}, {'start': '1188.799', 'end': '1193.360', 'text': 'in in play at the same time. So we have'}, {'start': '1190.880', 'end': '1195.679', 'text': 'truth truth that is faithful to the'}, {'start': '1193.360', 'end': '1197.600', 'text': 'gospel but is also merciful. Th this'}, {'start': '1195.679', 'end': '1200.000', 'text': "whole thing the conclave we're about to"}, {'start': '1197.600', 'end': '1201.840', 'text': 'witness and the whole leadup seems to be'}, {'start': '1200.000', 'end': '1205.280', 'text': "and I've talked to a lot of cardinals in"}, {'start': '1201.840', 'end': '1208.240', 'text': 'my two days here. There seems to be a'}, {'start': '1205.280', 'end': '1210.799', 'text': 'showdown over the saval way whether the'}, {'start': '1208.240', 'end': '1212.880', 'text': 'new way of deciding doctrine and'}, {'start': '1210.799', 'end': '1216.160', 'text': 'governing the church will continue or'}, {'start': '1212.880', 'end': '1218.320', 'text': 'die. But do the traditional cardinals'}, {'start': '1216.160', 'end': '1220.559', 'text': 'have a candidate?'}, {'start': '1218.320', 'end': '1222.480', 'text': 'Good question. We can read, you know,'}, {'start': '1220.559', 'end': '1224.880', 'text': "what's said. Uh I think there are some"}, {'start': '1222.480', 'end': '1228.000', 'text': 'outstanding figures who are there who'}, {'start': '1224.880', 'end': '1229.760', 'text': 'would very clearly say we must return to'}, {'start': '1228.000', 'end': '1232.000', 'text': 'a defense of the hierarchical nature of'}, {'start': '1229.760', 'end': '1234.400', 'text': "the church. I I'll let you name the"}, {'start': '1232.000', 'end': '1236.720', 'text': "people, but I'll say this. You have to"}, {'start': '1234.400', 'end': '1239.200', 'text': 'know theology and canon law to be a'}, {'start': '1236.720', 'end': '1241.120', 'text': "competent cardinal. Those that don't"}, {'start': '1239.200', 'end': '1243.240', 'text': "need to study and those that don't know"}, {'start': '1241.120', 'end': '1246.640', 'text': 'need to listen to ones who have studied.'}, {'start': '1243.240', 'end': '1247.919', 'text': 'You back to cidality. The idea that we'}, {'start': '1246.640', 'end': '1249.520', 'text': 'want to involve lay people in life of'}, {'start': '1247.919', 'end': '1251.440', 'text': "the church. That's so obvious. Everybody"}, {'start': '1249.520', 'end': '1253.280', 'text': "knows it. What we don't say is you're"}, {'start': '1251.440', 'end': '1255.120', 'text': 'equal to a shepherd. So you get to go to'}, {'start': '1253.280', 'end': '1257.760', 'text': 'a cinnid and the cardinal has the same'}, {'start': '1255.120', 'end': '1259.760', 'text': 'vote as a grandma. I love grandmas but'}, {'start': '1257.760', 'end': '1261.919', 'text': "they're not cardinals. And I don't want"}, {'start': '1259.760', 'end': '1264.000', 'text': 'them cooking for me. I no cardinals in'}, {'start': '1261.919', 'end': '1266.080', 'text': 'the kitchen. Stay out of the kitchen.'}, {'start': '1264.000', 'end': '1268.559', 'text': 'Leave that to mama. your thoughts on'}, {'start': '1266.080', 'end': '1270.640', 'text': 'this question of the cidality showdown'}, {'start': '1268.559', 'end': '1273.280', 'text': "that we're kind of seeing. I it's my"}, {'start': '1270.640', 'end': '1276.400', 'text': "belief that we're going to get a uh a"}, {'start': '1273.280', 'end': '1278.240', 'text': 'modification of mercy with the next pope'}, {'start': '1276.400', 'end': '1280.159', 'text': 'probably with an reintroduction of some'}, {'start': '1278.240', 'end': '1282.240', 'text': 'other elements and I would not be'}, {'start': '1280.159', 'end': '1284.799', 'text': 'surprised if Cinadi just sort of'}, {'start': '1282.240', 'end': '1286.559', 'text': 'shuffled off this mortal coil because I'}, {'start': '1284.799', 'end': '1288.640', 'text': "I don't think it means anything. I don't"}, {'start': '1286.559', 'end': '1290.720', 'text': "think it does anything. it it's kind of"}, {'start': '1288.640', 'end': '1293.120', 'text': 'a flag that you can remain faithful to,'}, {'start': '1290.720', 'end': '1294.960', 'text': "but whether it's really going to be part"}, {'start': '1293.120', 'end': '1296.080', 'text': 'of this the the central self-'}, {'start': '1294.960', 'end': '1298.640', 'text': 'understanding of the church going'}, {'start': '1296.080', 'end': '1300.880', 'text': 'forward, especially because in spite of'}, {'start': '1298.640', 'end': '1303.760', 'text': 'the the number of cardinals that the'}, {'start': '1300.880', 'end': '1305.840', 'text': 'pope has has appointed, um I think'}, {'start': '1303.760', 'end': '1307.919', 'text': "there's there could be some surprises"}, {'start': '1305.840', 'end': '1310.159', 'text': 'here. We we know that God is a god of'}, {'start': '1307.919', 'end': '1312.080', 'text': 'surprises as Pope Francis told us and a'}, {'start': '1310.159', 'end': '1314.000', 'text': 'lot of these men are not tried and true'}, {'start': '1312.080', 'end': '1316.400', 'text': "men. we may find that there's a dynamic"}, {'start': '1314.000', 'end': '1318.640', 'text': "within the the uh conclave that we're"}, {'start': '1316.400', 'end': '1320.960', 'text': 'not aware of yet at this point. I want'}, {'start': '1318.640', 'end': '1323.120', 'text': 'to move on to Cardinal Joseph Zen,'}, {'start': '1320.960', 'end': '1325.760', 'text': 'Cardinal Sarah, uh Cardinal Raymond'}, {'start': '1323.120', 'end': '1328.720', 'text': 'Burke all addressed these congregations'}, {'start': '1325.760', 'end': '1331.039', 'text': 'this week and I am told their comments'}, {'start': '1328.720', 'end': '1335.120', 'text': 'were spiritual. They voiced some concern'}, {'start': '1331.039', 'end': '1338.440', 'text': "about the Francis legacy, but I'm told"}, {'start': '1335.120', 'end': '1341.600', 'text': 'they were not warmly received by the'}, {'start': '1338.440', 'end': '1343.520', 'text': 'overall congregation. your reaction why'}, {'start': '1341.600', 'end': '1346.080', 'text': 'you think that might be happening. Well,'}, {'start': '1343.520', 'end': '1348.080', 'text': "if that's the case, uh maybe they were a"}, {'start': '1346.080', 'end': '1350.400', 'text': 'little bit stunned to hear uh what they'}, {'start': '1348.080', 'end': '1352.039', 'text': 'were hearing. Uh but perhaps they were'}, {'start': '1350.400', 'end': '1354.880', 'text': 'just reflecting on what was'}, {'start': '1352.039', 'end': '1356.400', 'text': 'said. As always, restating Catholic'}, {'start': '1354.880', 'end': '1358.400', 'text': "teaching doesn't necessarily produce"}, {'start': '1356.400', 'end': '1361.440', 'text': 'immediate applause, but it does give'}, {'start': '1358.400', 'end': '1363.280', 'text': "people a basis to reenter. And if you're"}, {'start': '1361.440', 'end': '1364.720', 'text': 'kind of a radical who want to change a'}, {'start': '1363.280', 'end': '1366.640', 'text': 'lot of things, now they have some'}, {'start': '1364.720', 'end': '1369.360', 'text': 'arguments they have to respond to. And'}, {'start': '1366.640', 'end': '1371.760', 'text': 'in all intellectually honest people just'}, {'start': '1369.360', 'end': '1373.200', 'text': "don't ignore what smart and faithful"}, {'start': '1371.760', 'end': '1374.880', 'text': 'people have to tell them. Yeah. You want'}, {'start': '1373.200', 'end': '1377.440', 'text': 'to comment at all on Yeah. I I think'}, {'start': '1374.880', 'end': '1380.320', 'text': 'that uh we we recall the conclave that'}, {'start': '1377.440', 'end': '1382.159', 'text': 'Francis was elected at. Um it was during'}, {'start': '1380.320', 'end': '1384.880', 'text': 'his intervention that he actually rose'}, {'start': '1382.159', 'end': '1386.799', 'text': 'to greater prominence as a candidate for'}, {'start': '1384.880', 'end': '1389.280', 'text': 'the papacy. Some people go so far as to'}, {'start': '1386.799', 'end': '1390.880', 'text': 'say that it was the the intervention as'}, {'start': '1389.280', 'end': '1392.960', 'text': 'they call these speeches that he gave'}, {'start': '1390.880', 'end': '1394.559', 'text': 'during that uh that general congregation'}, {'start': '1392.960', 'end': '1397.679', 'text': 'that really kind of clinched things for'}, {'start': '1394.559', 'end': '1399.280', 'text': 'him and put him at the forefront. Um I'}, {'start': '1397.679', 'end': '1401.039', 'text': 'think that the we keep saying that these'}, {'start': '1399.280', 'end': '1402.159', 'text': 'cardinals are very new to the job. A lot'}, {'start': '1401.039', 'end': '1404.000', 'text': "of them they don't know a lot about"}, {'start': '1402.159', 'end': '1406.080', 'text': 'other people and so it may just be that'}, {'start': '1404.000', 'end': '1409.760', 'text': 'they were shocked that there was a kind'}, {'start': '1406.080', 'end': '1412.000', 'text': 'of a another line that of that people'}, {'start': '1409.760', 'end': '1414.320', 'text': 'were pursuing. I mean, we heard from'}, {'start': '1412.000', 'end': '1416.159', 'text': 'Prelene, Cardinal Prelene, that we need'}, {'start': '1414.320', 'end': '1418.240', 'text': 'to continue the line of mercy, which I'}, {'start': '1416.159', 'end': '1419.919', 'text': 'think is is correct, but is there'}, {'start': '1418.240', 'end': '1421.039', 'text': 'anything else? I mean, some other things'}, {'start': '1419.919', 'end': '1422.400', 'text': "that are going to be brought. I'm so"}, {'start': '1421.039', 'end': '1423.840', 'text': 'glad you brought him up because I that'}, {'start': '1422.400', 'end': '1424.960', 'text': "was going to be my next question. We've"}, {'start': '1423.840', 'end': '1426.240', 'text': 'got to get into some of these'}, {'start': '1424.960', 'end': '1428.240', 'text': "candidates. I don't want to get too"}, {'start': '1426.240', 'end': '1430.000', 'text': 'deep, but I I we owe it to the audience'}, {'start': '1428.240', 'end': '1431.280', 'text': 'to at least talk about the people who'}, {'start': '1430.000', 'end': '1433.360', 'text': 'are being most talked about here in'}, {'start': '1431.280', 'end': '1435.440', 'text': "Roman who we're hearing. Uh, Secretary"}, {'start': '1433.360', 'end': '1438.400', 'text': 'of State Petro Parene. I guess he lost'}, {'start': '1435.440', 'end': '1441.520', 'text': 'the job when Pope Francis died, but'}, {'start': '1438.400', 'end': '1443.360', 'text': 'Parlene, who was Secretary of State, um'}, {'start': '1441.520', 'end': '1446.000', 'text': 'considered a major contender at this'}, {'start': '1443.360', 'end': '1447.760', 'text': 'conclave, uh he was of course one of the'}, {'start': '1446.000', 'end': '1450.240', 'text': 'architects of the Vatican China deal'}, {'start': '1447.760', 'end': '1453.279', 'text': "that we've been talking about for years."}, {'start': '1450.240', 'end': '1456.880', 'text': "Um he's the keeper of that agreement."}, {'start': '1453.279', 'end': '1459.760', 'text': 'Your thoughts on that candidacy and what'}, {'start': '1456.880', 'end': '1462.000', 'text': "it might mean to the papacy. Well, he's"}, {'start': '1459.760', 'end': '1463.840', 'text': "the best known cardinal because he's"}, {'start': '1462.000', 'end': '1466.080', 'text': 'been, you know, as cardinal secretary of'}, {'start': '1463.840', 'end': '1467.919', 'text': 'state in the in the news. Certainly, all'}, {'start': '1466.080', 'end': '1469.200', 'text': 'the cardinals in Rome would meet him'}, {'start': '1467.919', 'end': '1472.000', 'text': 'when they were made cardinal. They know'}, {'start': '1469.200', 'end': '1474.320', 'text': "him. Uh he's well known. Uh and he was"}, {'start': '1472.000', 'end': '1476.080', 'text': 'the one that Pope Francis entrusted his'}, {'start': '1474.320', 'end': '1478.880', 'text': 'agenda, particularly on the question of'}, {'start': '1476.080', 'end': '1480.400', 'text': "the China deal. But that's also, you"}, {'start': '1478.880', 'end': '1482.799', 'text': "know, something that he's bearing now"}, {'start': '1480.400', 'end': '1485.200', 'text': 'around his neck, responsibility for'}, {'start': '1482.799', 'end': '1487.440', 'text': 'turning over to the Chinese Communist'}, {'start': '1485.200', 'end': '1489.679', 'text': 'Party, the selection of bishops. And we'}, {'start': '1487.440', 'end': '1492.640', 'text': 'just heard the news yesterday that the'}, {'start': '1489.679', 'end': '1495.440', 'text': 'Communist Party instrument which is the'}, {'start': '1492.640', 'end': '1498.240', 'text': 'sysmatic patriotic association has'}, {'start': '1495.440', 'end': '1500.000', 'text': 'appointed two more bishops. So the China'}, {'start': '1498.240', 'end': '1502.400', 'text': 'the China deal number one never made'}, {'start': '1500.000', 'end': '1504.480', 'text': 'public which is not a good thing. And'}, {'start': '1502.400', 'end': '1506.320', 'text': 'then secondly the results have not been'}, {'start': '1504.480', 'end': '1508.960', 'text': 'a restraint on the part of the Chinese'}, {'start': '1506.320', 'end': '1510.640', 'text': 'communist from exercising control. So'}, {'start': '1508.960', 'end': '1511.919', 'text': 'that deal has to be renounced by the'}, {'start': '1510.640', 'end': '1514.000', 'text': "next pope. I don't think Cardinal"}, {'start': '1511.919', 'end': '1516.240', 'text': 'Parolene would do that. Hopefully, if he'}, {'start': '1514.000', 'end': '1518.720', 'text': "is elected, he'll modify it. But that's"}, {'start': '1516.240', 'end': '1520.159', 'text': "part of his legacy that he'll have to,"}, {'start': '1518.720', 'end': '1521.679', 'text': 'you know, bear as something that the'}, {'start': '1520.159', 'end': '1524.000', 'text': 'cardinals will consider in their'}, {'start': '1521.679', 'end': '1526.080', 'text': 'thoughts. Bob, uh, Cardinal Perilene, in'}, {'start': '1524.000', 'end': '1528.400', 'text': 'this square the other day, he was a it'}, {'start': '1526.080', 'end': '1531.120', 'text': 'was a mask for youth and he wore a miter'}, {'start': '1528.400', 'end': '1532.880', 'text': "that Pope Francis wore. I'm told by"}, {'start': '1531.120', 'end': '1534.559', 'text': 'people who were there that it was Yeah,'}, {'start': '1532.880', 'end': '1536.480', 'text': "it was jarring. Yeah. It didn't quite"}, {'start': '1534.559', 'end': '1538.559', 'text': 'play jarring with them. Well, you know,'}, {'start': '1536.480', 'end': '1540.600', 'text': 'some of the cardinals that I trust that'}, {'start': '1538.559', 'end': '1543.760', 'text': "I've been talking with here"}, {'start': '1540.600', 'end': '1544.960', 'text': 'um regret that the the new cardinals'}, {'start': '1543.760', 'end': '1547.760', 'text': "don't know each other very much, and"}, {'start': '1544.960', 'end': '1549.279', 'text': "that's an internal uh church matter. But"}, {'start': '1547.760', 'end': '1551.679', 'text': "some of them have also said they're"}, {'start': '1549.279', 'end': '1553.760', 'text': 'worried that some of the cardinals from'}, {'start': '1551.679', 'end': '1556.520', 'text': "the peripheries aren't that much aware"}, {'start': '1553.760', 'end': '1558.960', 'text': 'of secular questions. And of course, the'}, {'start': '1556.520', 'end': '1560.440', 'text': 'Chinese question is both a kind of a'}, {'start': '1558.960', 'end': '1564.400', 'text': 'secular and an'}, {'start': '1560.440', 'end': '1565.760', 'text': "intraurch matter. To me, it's it's a a"}, {'start': '1564.400', 'end': '1567.120', 'text': 'great hindrance. I mean you have to'}, {'start': '1565.760', 'end': '1569.520', 'text': 'think through very carefully about'}, {'start': '1567.120', 'end': '1571.679', 'text': 'Cardinal Powder Lean why he did that. We'}, {'start': '1569.520', 'end': '1574.320', 'text': 'know that that Cardinal McCerrick also'}, {'start': '1571.679', 'end': '1576.320', 'text': 'was involved in in those negotiations'}, {'start': '1574.320', 'end': '1579.039', 'text': "what element I hope someday we'll find"}, {'start': '1576.320', 'end': '1581.840', 'text': 'out what exactly that that that role was'}, {'start': '1579.039', 'end': '1583.840', 'text': "that he played but it's not solely the"}, {'start': '1581.840', 'end': '1585.440', 'text': 'the fact that the cardinals are not'}, {'start': '1583.840', 'end': '1587.279', 'text': 'aware of some of the controversies'}, {'start': '1585.440', 'end': '1589.279', 'text': 'within the church or or sensitive to'}, {'start': '1587.279', 'end': '1590.720', 'text': 'them. They I think they also need to be'}, {'start': '1589.279', 'end': '1592.159', 'text': 'sensitive to the church in the world and'}, {'start': '1590.720', 'end': '1594.000', 'text': "it'll be interesting to see if that"}, {'start': '1592.159', 'end': '1595.520', 'text': 'element begins to emerge during the'}, {'start': '1594.000', 'end': '1597.760', 'text': 'conclave. There are some other'}, {'start': '1595.520', 'end': '1600.880', 'text': "candidates we're hearing about um uh"}, {'start': '1597.760', 'end': '1603.760', 'text': 'Cardinal Pierre Batista Pabala, the uh'}, {'start': '1600.880', 'end': '1605.919', 'text': 'patriarch of Jerusalem, a Franciscan'}, {'start': '1603.760', 'end': '1608.400', 'text': "who's navigated that very difficult"}, {'start': '1605.919', 'end': '1610.960', 'text': 'place between the Palestinians and the'}, {'start': '1608.400', 'end': '1612.480', 'text': 'Israelis with that fledgling Christian'}, {'start': '1610.960', 'end': '1614.480', 'text': "community that he's been trying to hold"}, {'start': '1612.480', 'end': '1616.320', 'text': 'together. Uh your thoughts on his'}, {'start': '1614.480', 'end': '1619.200', 'text': "candidacy? No, I think it's a serious"}, {'start': '1616.320', 'end': '1621.840', 'text': "candidacy. I think he's a serious man."}, {'start': '1619.200', 'end': '1624.080', 'text': "Uh man of prayer. He's a man of belief"}, {'start': '1621.840', 'end': '1626.080', 'text': "and he's a man who's had to exactly"}, {'start': '1624.080', 'end': '1627.840', 'text': 'exercise a political role in the sense'}, {'start': '1626.080', 'end': '1629.200', 'text': 'of dealing with secular governments,'}, {'start': '1627.840', 'end': '1630.400', 'text': 'trying to defend the interests of'}, {'start': '1629.200', 'end': '1632.400', 'text': 'Christians. On the other hand,'}, {'start': '1630.400', 'end': '1634.960', 'text': 'recognizing the horrors that have been'}, {'start': '1632.400', 'end': '1637.919', 'text': 'perpetrated against the Israelis. Uh no,'}, {'start': '1634.960', 'end': '1640.000', 'text': "it's uh he's a serious candidate in my"}, {'start': '1637.919', 'end': '1641.919', 'text': "book. He's an Italian, which is an odd"}, {'start': '1640.000', 'end': '1643.279', 'text': "thing for patriarch of Jerusalem. He's"}, {'start': '1641.919', 'end': '1644.640', 'text': 'an Italian, which they they thought'}, {'start': '1643.279', 'end': '1647.919', 'text': 'would never happen again after all the'}, {'start': '1644.640', 'end': '1649.679', 'text': 'Palestinians were elected to that post.'}, {'start': '1647.919', 'end': '1651.840', 'text': "Uh he's also a biblical scholar. I've"}, {'start': '1649.679', 'end': '1654.880', 'text': "known him for about 25 years. And he's"}, {'start': '1651.840', 'end': '1657.279', 'text': 'just a very sober citizen. You know, he'}, {'start': '1654.880', 'end': '1659.279', 'text': "he's a realist, but he's also a man of"}, {'start': '1657.279', 'end': '1662.320', 'text': 'deep faith. And he believes in fact that'}, {'start': '1659.279', 'end': '1664.240', 'text': 'the Holy Land is the gospel and is the'}, {'start': '1662.320', 'end': '1665.919', 'text': 'center of the church, which is a'}, {'start': '1664.240', 'end': '1667.520', 'text': 'interesting conception considering where'}, {'start': '1665.919', 'end': '1669.760', 'text': "we're see where we're now and where"}, {'start': '1667.520', 'end': '1671.520', 'text': "he'll be voting in a few days. You know,"}, {'start': '1669.760', 'end': '1673.919', 'text': 'some people are objecting to the fact'}, {'start': '1671.520', 'end': '1676.559', 'text': "that he's young. He's he's about 60,"}, {'start': '1673.919', 'end': '1677.679', 'text': 'something like that, right? Uh I we were'}, {'start': '1676.559', 'end': '1680.080', 'text': 'talking about this the other day, you'}, {'start': '1677.679', 'end': '1682.480', 'text': 'recall, and it just struck me that Pope'}, {'start': '1680.080', 'end': '1684.640', 'text': 'John Paul II was elected at 58 years'}, {'start': '1682.480', 'end': '1686.159', 'text': 'old, and God bless him. I mean, those'}, {'start': '1684.640', 'end': '1687.760', 'text': 'years were great years for the Catholic'}, {'start': '1686.159', 'end': '1689.600', 'text': 'Church and for the world. I mean, he'}, {'start': '1687.760', 'end': '1692.480', 'text': 'helped to bring down communism in the'}, {'start': '1689.600', 'end': '1694.399', 'text': 'Soviet Union. So, I hope that that fact'}, {'start': '1692.480', 'end': '1696.000', 'text': "I mean obviously if you're going to"}, {'start': '1694.399', 'end': '1697.200', 'text': "elect someone who's younger, you're"}, {'start': '1696.000', 'end': '1699.520', 'text': "you're kind of saying we're going to"}, {'start': '1697.200', 'end': '1701.760', 'text': 'expect you to be around for a while, but'}, {'start': '1699.520', 'end': '1703.200', 'text': "I I hope that isn't a factor that plays"}, {'start': '1701.760', 'end': '1705.520', 'text': 'too large a role. I think they ought to'}, {'start': '1703.200', 'end': '1707.679', 'text': 'look very carefully at him and make a'}, {'start': '1705.520', 'end': '1709.200', 'text': 'decision on the basis of who that person'}, {'start': '1707.679', 'end': '1711.120', 'text': "is and what they're likely to do in the"}, {'start': '1709.200', 'end': '1713.279', 'text': "role. And for my money, he's pretty"}, {'start': '1711.120', 'end': '1715.279', 'text': "strong. Yeah, he's a he I think he he"}, {'start': '1713.279', 'end': '1717.520', 'text': 'could emerge as an important compromised'}, {'start': '1715.279', 'end': '1719.760', 'text': 'candidate between the Italians and those'}, {'start': '1717.520', 'end': '1722.000', 'text': "who want to continue Francis's legacy"}, {'start': '1719.760', 'end': '1724.240', 'text': 'and and more traditionalists who are'}, {'start': '1722.000', 'end': '1725.600', 'text': 'very concerned about the drift in the'}, {'start': '1724.240', 'end': '1727.279', 'text': 'teaching and the doctrine and the'}, {'start': '1725.600', 'end': '1729.279', 'text': 'clarity of the faith. Particularly when'}, {'start': '1727.279', 'end': '1731.039', 'text': 'you have all these young people coming'}, {'start': '1729.279', 'end': '1732.880', 'text': 'to the faith all around the world'}, {'start': '1731.039', 'end': '1735.120', 'text': "converting, wanting baptism, they're"}, {'start': '1732.880', 'end': '1737.120', 'text': 'seeking something. They want something'}, {'start': '1735.120', 'end': '1739.760', 'text': "solid and lasting. They don't want this"}, {'start': '1737.120', 'end': '1742.399', 'text': 'kind of felt banner guitar mass'}, {'start': '1739.760', 'end': '1744.320', 'text': 'nonsense. perpetual dialogue. Any'}, {'start': '1742.399', 'end': '1745.919', 'text': 'predictions? By the the next time we sit'}, {'start': '1744.320', 'end': '1747.520', 'text': 'here, we will not be part of the live'}, {'start': '1745.919', 'end': '1750.159', 'text': 'coverage of so many of these events here'}, {'start': '1747.520', 'end': '1752.480', 'text': "at EWTN. And so, um, we'll be back next"}, {'start': '1750.159', 'end': '1754.240', 'text': 'Thursday, but my question is, do you'}, {'start': '1752.480', 'end': '1756.000', 'text': 'have any predictions because when we'}, {'start': '1754.240', 'end': '1758.240', 'text': 'next return, the conclave will have'}, {'start': '1756.000', 'end': '1760.159', 'text': 'begun? Not a prediction, but I can'}, {'start': '1758.240', 'end': '1764.000', 'text': 'express a hope that we will get a'}, {'start': '1760.159', 'end': '1766.240', 'text': 'cardinal who is going to return to the'}, {'start': '1764.000', 'end': '1769.200', 'text': 'line of Catholic thinking and action'}, {'start': '1766.240', 'end': '1770.880', 'text': 'that John Paul II and Benedict uh led us'}, {'start': '1769.200', 'end': '1773.120', 'text': 'in. And one of the most inspiring'}, {'start': '1770.880', 'end': '1775.919', 'text': 'figures in that is Cardinal Sarra from'}, {'start': '1773.120', 'end': '1778.000', 'text': 'Guinea. So I pray that his influence in'}, {'start': '1775.919', 'end': '1779.440', 'text': 'the uh election will be such that we get'}, {'start': '1778.000', 'end': '1781.600', 'text': 'a cardinal who would reflect what'}, {'start': '1779.440', 'end': '1783.840', 'text': 'Cardinal Sarah has also said in his'}, {'start': '1781.600', 'end': '1786.320', 'text': 'book, God or Nothing. The Catholic'}, {'start': '1783.840', 'end': '1789.120', 'text': "Church exists to promote God's teaching"}, {'start': '1786.320', 'end': '1791.279', 'text': 'and presence in the world. Anything else'}, {'start': '1789.120', 'end': '1793.360', 'text': 'is a distraction. The Africans will have'}, {'start': '1791.279', 'end': '1795.360', 'text': "a big influence. That's the vibrancy in"}, {'start': '1793.360', 'end': '1797.200', 'text': 'the second. And I say amen to everything'}, {'start': '1795.360', 'end': '1798.320', 'text': 'that you just said. If I had to predict,'}, {'start': '1797.200', 'end': '1800.240', 'text': "I wouldn't want to predict too much"}, {'start': '1798.320', 'end': '1802.720', 'text': "about who's going to be the next pope or"}, {'start': '1800.240', 'end': '1806.559', 'text': "but I think we're going to see uh a"}, {'start': '1802.720', 'end': '1808.799', 'text': 'number of uh diverse voices between now'}, {'start': '1806.559', 'end': '1812.120', 'text': "and then. I I'd be surprised if there is"}, {'start': '1808.799', 'end': '1815.279', 'text': 'this kind of monochromatic uh yeah'}, {'start': '1812.120', 'end': '1817.440', 'text': 'continuity sort of tone that comes out'}, {'start': '1815.279', 'end': '1819.120', 'text': 'of uh the discussions in these general'}, {'start': '1817.440', 'end': '1820.720', 'text': 'congregations. I think people are going'}, {'start': '1819.120', 'end': '1822.480', 'text': 'to become a little bit bolder as we go'}, {'start': '1820.720', 'end': '1824.240', 'text': 'along. There are going to be pe people'}, {'start': '1822.480', 'end': '1825.760', 'text': 'supporting maybe some unlikely'}, {'start': '1824.240', 'end': '1828.080', 'text': "candidates and it'll be an interesting"}, {'start': '1825.760', 'end': '1830.480', 'text': "thing when we reconvene. Yeah, I can't"}, {'start': '1828.080', 'end': '1832.080', 'text': 'wait. Gentlemen, Papal Posi, thank you'}, {'start': '1830.480', 'end': '1833.840', 'text': "for being here. It's an honor to always"}, {'start': '1832.080', 'end': '1835.840', 'text': 'be with you. We will leave it there, but'}, {'start': '1833.840', 'end': '1838.799', 'text': "we'll have daily updates on the Royal"}, {'start': '1835.840', 'end': '1841.840', 'text': 'Grande Show on YouTube, the entire cast'}, {'start': '1838.799', 'end': '1844.080', 'text': 'and crew here. Uh, I want to explore a'}, {'start': '1841.840', 'end': '1845.760', 'text': 'few of the candidates that we just'}, {'start': '1844.080', 'end': '1847.760', 'text': "touched on today. We'll get into more"}, {'start': '1845.760', 'end': '1849.360', 'text': 'depth there. Robert Royal, Father Gerald'}, {'start': '1847.760', 'end': '1851.360', 'text': 'Murray. Thank you as always, my friends.'}, {'start': '1849.360', 'end': '1854.919', 'text': "Thank you. Thank you, Rick. Yeah, we'll"}, {'start': '1851.360', 'end': '1854.919', 'text': 'reconvene soon.'}, {'start': '1856.190', 'end': '1859.140', 'text': '[Music]'}]