This figure was set to target the fund at medium-sized EE projects, such as replacement of air conditioning chillers in a commercial facility or the installation of EE equipment at an industrial site. The government overcame the first obstacle by organising a series of seminars to familiarise and train bankers on EE projects as well as renewables. However in the words of a former minister in Thailand: "It is not about the training of the banks.-ifs just about whether you are able to find a champion" (Personal conversations with the author, March 2010). The total project costs for that period were close to USD 180.5 million, with only USD 94.7 million coming from the fund loans, which were all paid back and contributed to the next phases of the project.