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[–]benpity 164 points165 points  (9 children)

One of Drifter's voicelines when you talk to him in the Tower is "See you on Europa" but right now other than a bit in the Beyond Light campaign we don't see him there so it seems like it would totally make sense lore-wise.

[–]Biz_Zerker 60 points61 points  (6 children)

He also doesn't seem to actually have any kind of reason for being there other than to justify being in trailers to generate hype.

[–]shacksaha 29 points30 points  (4 children)

Yeah they talked about how due to Covid Eris and Drifter weren't available to record lines so their parts were tuned back for the DLC, and that makes sense sure like shit happens but then why tf was drifter even at the little camp

[–]lt08820Most broken class 21 points22 points  (3 children)

It's due to Drifter being the only other "dark leaning" guardian that is working for the tower. You have Eris that is self explanatory(no light, already had to use a worm to survive) and you have Drifter who somehow can corral taken.

He also doesn't like his ghost so I'm sure being promised powers that don't rely on your ghost was a bonus

[–]Bocephus_57 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I’m pretty sure Éris used an Ahamkara bone to survive.

[–]namedly 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Yep, it was an Ahamkara bone.

Of the six Guardians that entered the Hellmouth, only Morn escaped. Her Ghost, Brya, sacrificed herself to save Morn. Despite being nearly Lightless, Morn survived in the tunnels of the Moon for years, using a copy of Toland’s journal to guide her. She also used the Ahamkara bone she kept with her, which granted her knowledge of how to escape the Moon.

[–]FuckingGlorious 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean, it's not much but it was also foreshadowed in the Season of the Drifter, with them talking about "the hourglass with infinite patience" (Elsie), "the forgotten blade, forged anew" (Eris), and the Dredgen, who according to the nine had all "transcended their design", which now pretty clearly shows up as they are all the guardians that were already using stasis.

[–]Dont-Go-Hollow 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Maybe a europa map was cut

[–]ValeryValerovich 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I'd love to see anything on Moon. It's by far my favorite location, especially regarding aesthetics. Hell, I don't even mind the pvp maps being... well, Cauldron and Anomaly because they look so cool.

And we are long overdue for a new Gambit map.

[–]benpity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish First Light was a pvp map in D2, especially since its already in the game and we've been there a lot this season because of Override. It would be a huge departure from the current maps though and I'm not sure how well it would actually work or play since combined arms isnt a thing any more.

[–]Griffix13 99 points100 points  (13 children)

Imagine a blizzard blowing in during a Gambit match lol could be fun

[–]HuftheSwagnDragnOmolon Salesman 41 points42 points  (4 children)

throws a Silence and Squall

[–]Griffix13 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I can see that lol. I feel like people would trying to time invasions with blizzards to snipe, use Silence and Squall or some sort of invis. Some peeps may break out Wishender for it.

"You're being invaded" Player throws Silence and Squall

[–]Gibble2029 3 points4 points  (0 children)

which would add a bit more 'spice' into matches by having strategies that utilise those environmental changes and strategies to counter said strategies

[–]Dr___BrightVex Milk Chugging Hunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Certain weapons have sights that highlight targets, no need for wishender

[–]EliteBeast719 0 points1 point  (0 children)

spectral blade pops

[–]sudomeacat 8 points9 points  (4 children)

That wo you lad be terrifying. Especially if the blizzard moves you slowly

[–]Griffix13 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Would make sniping a bit more interesting. Didn't the blizzard only move you if you were on a Sparrow?

Imagine if the blizzard blinded EoT lol. Everyone would love or hate that map.

[–]sudomeacat 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Does the patrol blizzard block tracking rockets? I want to try it now

[–]Griffix13 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I doubt it but that would be interesting.

[–]Felimenta970 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't. It actually looks really cool seeing those red lights flying towards the enemy, reminds me of one of the opening cutscenes of Halo Wars 2 (the first one when they get Isabel, and escape from Atriox, and the SoF shoots some missiles)

[–]Blupoisen 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Because not being able to see the invader is exactly what we need

[–]Griffix13 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Depends on if the red glow is still visible. If their glow is bright enough it would stand out.

[–]Sol562 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gambit matches are already blizzards

[–]TruNuckles 32 points33 points  (5 children)

I agree. More maps should be available. At a minimum, the maps that were removed should return. Except some of the absolute worst pvp maps. We all know which ones. As far as gambit maps go. What can you really do though? I’ll maps are the same. Left, middle, right, enemy zone with a central bank location. Each map just has a different color. Gambit needs a lot of help. Maps is just a small part of the gambit issues.

[–]Blupoisen 15 points16 points  (0 children)


But what is wrong with more variety each Gambit map has its own unique shtick

Most of the time it is teleporters

[–]A_Rogue_ADrifter's Crew 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I know a lot of people hated the tangled shore gambit map but I'd love to see it come back.

[–]sin_tax-errorVanguard's Loyal // For Cayde 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Only issue I had with it was the oil/acid stuff that killed you immediately because of how easy it was to fall in. If it just drained your health quickly like the vex milk on the Nessus map then I'd love for that map to come back.

[–]AdrunkGirlScout -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You mean the giant pit that's like 50 feet below the platforms?

[–]ivvek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same. My favourite map because of the color pattern and tangled shore aestethic

[–]dj0samaspinIaden 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Id even be happy if they just slapped a gambit bank in the Lunar Battleground and cadmus ridge areas and called it a map at this point

[–]Fancy-Dirt-pile 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The fact we don't have a new moon map or any Europan map for Crucible or Gambit also feels bad.

Bring back combined arms, bring back rift with new mechanics like the ability to throw the charge between players (no you can't just throw it in the rift) and a fumble mechanic where the charge drops for anyone to pick it up before it goes away.

[–]woahitsshant 7 points8 points  (0 children)

the lack of Gambit maps is a huge missed opportunity * FTFY

[–]Gibble2029 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah. I'd love a Gambit map where we're just on the side of a GIANT ice cliff or one in an area similar to Lunar Battlegrounds

[–]Trictities2012 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it's a shame that bungie has completely abandoned Gambit, it could be the crown jewel of the game in my opinion but balancing it has proven to be impossible.

[–]KillThemBaaaack 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I'm for anything that gets rid of the Titan map.

[–]ForemanskiTeam Dino 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would say that Titan is my favourite map of the bunch right now..

[–]maddoxprops 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Knowing how much of a troll Drifter is I could see the Moon Gambit map being the Apollo landing site if it exists.

[–]FauxPhox 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Gambit and Crucible both suffer a lot during smaller DLCs, especially if the larger annual ones didn't deliver anything new to them.

Unique locations always add a nice drop of spice to the otherwise monotonous playlist activity grinds we're regularly thrown.

Look at the Braytech facilities such as the Creation area. Easy to tie in part of the labs, throw some ice in there and boom, cool map.

Outdoor Europa map? (Personally I'd love a small area within a larger map to use the same snowdrift effect once or twice a match)

Whatever crazy locations get added with Witch Queen, I seriously hope they're properly taken advantage of and don't all just end up being one-off locations in a patrol zone that barely anyone visits regularly.

[–]ComradeBrosefStylin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gambit mostly suffers from Eyes Of Tomorrow existing

[–]prisoner_666[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

gambit map in deep stone crypt would be awesome, or maybe some moon map where we jump across towers in the scarlet keep or something

[–]DSpawn05 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Why would they add new maps? They don’t care about Gambit

[–]ninth_reddit_accountDestinySets.com Dev 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lack of any new Gambit (or PvP) maps in like 9 years is a huge missed opportunity.

[–]PropDad 0 points1 point  (5 children)

How about a map based on the Dreaming City? That would be interesting too.

[–]SthenicFreeze[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or are unknowing. We had a dreaming city map. It had teleporters too. It's been vaulted

[–]PropDad 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sorry, yes I'm being sarcastic. We still have the dreaming City itself so I don't know why that map got vaulted.

[–]RunelordTressaPlease don't delete Gambit. K thx bye. 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know it's probably ancient wisdom at this point but losing the Gambit & crucible maps were also kind of tackling the then pretty prevalent issue of people just kind of not liking certain maps en masse alongside content vaulting.

That being said the dreaming city map always felt a bit like collateral damage because there were way less people complaining about that map specifically. It had more to do with people not liking the tangled shore map. Big thing though, and it was a constant, was that people hated falling off the map. Also this is a more personal problem with the dc map but the starting area kind of made it easy for people to counter invaders since you could effectively make the invader have to engage at a disadvantage if you were slightly competent.

[–]TastyOreoFriendHit it with a stick 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There was seriously a map like that? I know a bunch of stuff was vaulted but most gambit maps are new to me simply because I played and quit in 2017.

I kind of don't get the whole thing surrounding the vaulting of Gambit and Crucible maps.

[–]Deroni76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was done to make the game easier to develop new content for.

[–]StressTree -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think the entire concept of Gambit is an opportunity that should have been missed

[–]JohnLockeN7 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

It's free content sooooo

[–]TheIronLorde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Always forget that Mars gambit map isn't a Europa map.

[–]Treebeards_Bong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or a pvp map in the crypt

[–]diker132 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they havent even added new crucible maps yet. gambit maps are only a dream at this point LOL

[–]RudeBookkeeper773 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed, award this man.

More of both for both!

[–]solidus_kalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

gambit/strikes/crucible = F2P = almost 0 incentive to add new things for bungie.

[–]D2SnakeShadow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tbh, lack of maps isn't gambit's biggest problem but new maps would be nice i guess

[–]Timerstone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's really no point adding more maps to Gambit when the mode itself is quite broken that people would rather get pummeled in Crucible than play 4 total matches in Gambit.

[–]shumnyj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gambit is one big missed opportunity

[–]Chrom_OwO 0 points1 point  (0 children)


[–]woowaa44Command 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tbf europa just feels like the moon but with storms

[–]Effective_Sandwich_1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The game itself is a missed opportunity rn

[–]MegaStitch1313 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We should have a gambit map in the last city, sort of like banner fall or midtown

[–]elirox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If a new map is added to Gambit, is a new map added to Destiny?

[–]Lantisca 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm taking an extended break after this season. It's quite clear Bungie has priorities elsewhere. I can almost guarantee that Activision would've pushed them to put out new maps in order to keep player engagement steady. Bungie on their own is simply coasting along.

[–]giant_sloth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think every destination should have associated maps. We need a Europa crucible and gambit map, a moon gambit map and a cosmodrome gambit map.

Imagine a crucible map in Eventide or a Gambit map in a big ice cave with vex ruins. So many missed opportunities.

[–]RiBBz22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shouts "where are the maps" into a huge vacuum

[–]OldDirtyRobot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More people play Gambit than Trails. If you don't believe me, check the player population stats this Friday.

[–]Loud-Switch-sbrSpace Magic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If lack of maps are a missed opportunity then Bungie has been do that for years

[–]lipp79 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But instead they left two maps on planets that don't exist any more.

[–]RobertdBanksD1 bEtA vEt ChEcKiNg In(hold applause) 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The lack of Gambit maps is a huge missed opportunity

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    [–]ChaseDFW 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    Wait... you quit Destiny but still hang around the subreddit and rant about how much it sucks? Like... that's your gig?

    [–]Pmurph33 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Waaaay more common than you might think dude. Lots of people want the game to be good so they keep an eye on the subreddit since it’s the greatest place for current events in destiny besides the TWABS, and popping here to see for yourself is much more efficient than relying on some YouTuber with opinions when you can form your own.

    [–]Viscanewcastle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Nah, just saw this post on my feed. Bit of a jump you made there

    [–]Rabbiv 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    and buying the season pass.

    I love D1, but D2 is just a cash grab.

    I have never seen a game that will take content away that players paid for and they still defend the company

    [–]Doctor_Kataigida 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    I mean, World of Warcraft did that w/ a few zones. Both in BfA (Undercity, Teldrassil) and in Cataclysm which changed a lot of the zones worldwide (Darkshore, Barrens).

    Also, people constantly bitched about how empty those locations were. The only one that garnered any use was Mars for EP farming or the two dungeons for Whisper/Outbreak. That, coupled with people complaining about game size (and simultaneously, Call of Duty being over 200GB resulting in several articles complaining about the size) is what led them to vaulting the locations.

    The biggest issue I have w/ the vaulting is now there's no flow or story for new players. Not that Red War campaign was good (everyone thought D2 was extremely shallow on launch), nor was CoO (2 tokens and a blue, anyone?). But there was a lot of important character introduction that just...doesn't exist.

    All that being said, as a D1 week 2 player, I'm still having a ton of fun w/ the seasonal content (I usually play every other season. Played Dawn, skipped Arrivals, played Hunt, skipped Chosen, playing Splicer, might skip 15 - maybe not w/ Crossplay). I kind of miss the old content, but I wasn't champing at the bit to run one of two public events on Titan.

    [–]d4calt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Didn't happen in BfA. The zones were changed in that expansion, but you can still go back to the way they were before easily by talking to some NPC. As for the Cataclysm changes, yeah those did happen (although it was more of a replacement rather than a straight up removal).

    [–]silvercueVanguard's Loyal -1 points0 points  (0 children)