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Forum Post: "Climate Change Is Happening Now – A Carbon Price Must Follow", by James Hansen.

Posted 8 years ago on Dec. 2, 2012, 9:50 p.m. EST by shadz66 (19985)
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'The extreme weather events of 2012 are what we have been warning of for 25 years, but the answer is plain to see'.

by James Hansen.

Will our short attention span be the end of us? Just a month after the second "storm of a century" in two years, the media moves on to the latest scandal with barely a retrospective glance at the implications of the extreme climate anomalies we have seen.




Superstorm Sandy is not the first storm, and certainly won't be the last. Still, it is hard for us as individual human beings to connect the dots. That's where observation, data and scientific analysis help us see.




Extreme temperatures deliver more than heat.


The heat also leads to more extreme sea surface temperatures – a key culprit behind Sandy's devastating force. The latent heat in atmospheric water vapour is the fuel that powers tornadoes, thunderstorms, and hurricanes. Stepping up evaporation with warmer temperatures is like stepping on the gas: More energy-rich vapour condenses into water drops, releasing more latent heat as it does so, causing more powerful storms, increased rainfall and more extreme flooding. This is not a matter of belief. This is high-school science class.






A carbon fee, collected from fossil fuel companies, will increase consumer costs. So the money that is collected should be distributed to the public. As people try to minimise their energy costs to keep money for other things, their actions will stimulate the economy, drive innovations and transition us away from fossil fuels.

If we make our demand for action clear enough, I am optimistic that our leaders in Washington can look beyond the short-term challenges of today to see the looming, long-term threats ahead, and the answer that is right in front of them. We can't simply allow the next news cycle to distract us from the real task ahead.

Back in the 1980s, I introduced the concept of "climate dice" to make clear the difference between natural variability and climate-change driven extremes. As I predicted, the climate dice in the 21st century are now "loaded". It's not just bad luck Sandy pummelled America's coasts, extreme drought devastated its midlands and wildfires scorched its mountains.

We loaded the dice. We changed our climate.


respice, adspice, prospice ...


James E Hansen directs the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies. { http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen }

[Article copied verbatim under 'Fair Use' from : http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/nov/29/climate-change-carbon-price - so please use this to access all corroborating embedded links]



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[-] 10 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 8 years ago

AGW is real, a carbon tax is not the answer.

A carbon tax will restrict energy usage for those that need it the most the poor, and won't restrict usage by the wealthy. The cost to industry will be passed along in higher prices on all goods to the rest of us.

We need to push alternative energy. Break the central distribution schemes of the utilities.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

I take your point but please also see :

"As negotiators try to replace the ageing Kyoto protocol, failed negotiations could result in more emissions." We are developing new oil fields whilst being fully aware of the real repercussions & Emperor Nero and his fiddle come to mind !!!

e tenebris ...

[-] 6 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 8 years ago

I get that... but prudent action is better than action that will punish the wrong people and not bring about the desired results... and we will still be on fossil fuels.

Next will come Carbon Trading and Wall Street will get filthy rich while We again still have fossil fuel usage, and be the ones penalized with no alternative in place.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

The Precautionary Principle is in order, so we agree but an entire reappraisal of the way we understand : money ; cost ; gain ; profit ; benefit ; loss and 'Capitalism's Externalities' - also has to occur if we are to find holistic solutions, going forward.

pax et lux ; nunc et semper ...

[-] 3 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 8 years ago

I agree.

PS. I sent you a message.


I got it and replied. Thanx for the great info :-)

pax ...

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 7 years ago

'New Satellite Maps Show World’s Major Ice Caps Melting at Unprecedented Rate' -


'Ice caps are melting at an alarming rate in both Greenland and the Antarctic. And researchers warn of their observations. Is it finally time to start worrying?'

Never Give Up! Occupy The 99% Issues! Solidarity.


"shuttin down wall street now" Mic check!!!


In case you didn't getthe memo

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 7 years ago

save the ice


"How The Cult of Bill Gates .. is leading us towards a climate disaster"!



"Climate Tipping Points - could topple like dominoes, warn scientists"! .. by Damian Carrington:

adspice, prospice et caveat!


"Earth Is Trapping ‘Unprecedented’ Amount of Heat, NASA says"! - by Victoria Bekiempis:

omnia causa fiunt!


"With US Heatwave ... 'Surreal' and 'Distressing': Climate Experts' Predictions Come True"!

"The current heatwave & drought leave no doubt, we're living the dangerous effects of the climate crisis." Also note that ...



"Northwest Heat Wave Is a Symptom of Terrifying Runaway Climate Feedback Loops"! ... by William Rivers Pitt:

uh-oh et sic transit gloria mundi?

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23462) 2 months ago

Miami is the most vulnerable coastal city in the world! Like the Northwest heat wave it is ridiculous to not consider climate change as a major, if not the biggest, factor.



"Top US scientist on Melting Glaciers: ‘I’ve gone from being an ecologist to a coroner’" (by JM)

"Diana Six, an entomologist studying beetles near Glacier national park in Montana says the crisis has fundamentally changed her profession."

omnia causa fiunt!


"Record-Breaking Heat Waves Have Arrived Decades Earlier Than Predicted"!! ... by Sasha Abramsky:



Forests in Siberia and the Russian Far East are burning, often deliberately let-it-be uncontrolled because they aren't worth the money of putting them out. ( Maybe Russia has the great foresight to institute the non-interventionist policy imposed upon our Yellowstone National Park after its major conflagration had taken out the underbrush [due to the perennial lack of the Trumpery raking] and much more: if the fires aren't artificially started, they're in God's plan, let them burn ! )

I think that Russia hasn't MBA-optimized its forest-fire policy enough yet. No forest fires need to be put out even if they're artificially started because God created Man so all which came of Man such as starting a forest conflagration is in God's plan. Our omniscient and omnipotent God knew that the conflagration would happen to serve a mysterious purpose in due time so let the Will of God be. Our omnipotent God could just send the Arctic Ocean and the Pacific Ocean upon Siberia and the Russian Far East to put out the conflagration if it's so Willed, by God Himself. Or simply act as Aquarius of the fire-victim-refugee-resettlement building did, to pour out the blessings of the heavenly chamber pot off of a side of the building. A shantytown boy, I, was thus chosen and "baptized." Hmm, when I come to think of it, is this why I'm urine-headed because of God's plan to make me golden boy by flushing me down from up on high ?

Heat waves will become much more common with all of that carbon emission into the atmosphere. Expectations needed to include feedback effects. The great news is that we are being hedged against the global cooling effects of a eruption of a supervolcano such as Baetu or Yellowstone. Pray for a supervolcano's eruption to halt global climate warming and great wildfires to prevent excessive cooling after the eruption ( great wildfires may be a bad idea due to the soot they may produce to exacerbate the cooling so they are removed from the prayer list ). This was Einstein's explanation of relativity in a concise form: when we stick our heads into a cold refrigerator and place our feet near a burning fireplace, time greatly slows down and on the average, we'll be comfortable after these separated upheavals.

Russia has lots of trees that act as sinks for greenhouse-warming gas so they burn to become sources. Russia's forest being burnt help with the warm-up ( or is it the cool-down due to the soot ? ) possibly uncorking the me-thane champagne, which really isn't French anymore in Russia by law but Russian in Siberia. Everything seems bigger there. Much soot being released will cool the Earth so God is fulfilling His Promise to make Earth endure forever.

Don't worry, wealthy people: hard-disk magnetic domains will retain their magnetization so your "money" is still "safe," ( i.e. as long as there isn't a EMP attack nearby to scramble the binary digits; the likeliest source of such is the DPRK. Do you see why nuclear non-proliferation is necessary to keep you "wealthy" ? The U.S. couldn't print U.S. dollars fast enough to stabilize the world's financial system in 2008 after the Crash so it outsourced a part of that urgent task to... )


"Top Oil Lobbyist Caught On Tape - revealing 11 senators 'crucial' to ExxonMobil - 'We've asked for everything'" says "Keith McCoy - a senior ExxonMobil lobbyist on Capitol Hill"!!! OMfG U$A!!

"Even if carbon emissions were quickly reduced after 2020 .. experts say states like Florida will still see impacts from stronger hurricanes, rising seas and other changes associated with existing high levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

"“Climate change is not a black-and-white situation. It’s not like an asteroid hitting the Earth,” Raimi said. “But we know we’re in for some major impacts. It’s important to know where we’re vulnerable so we can make informed decisions about possible solutions.” BUT who can trust the bad actors like Exxon & co?!

e tenebris - tenebris?!


"Biden Made Big Compromises on Climate - and Movements That Backed Him Are Livid"!

Note - "Biden himself has a great deal of responsibility for this state of affairs, by negotiating with Republicans and appeasing conservative Democrats."

caveat actor!


"Exxon Lobbyists Tricked Into Naming Senators They Use to Block Climate Action" by DemNow!

multum in parvo!


Miami knew that the recurring inundation had been coming for quite a while already. Global Anthropogenic Climate Change is real and has been happening for quite a while, too. There is no avoiding its dire consequences because Red China has state sovereignity protecting the continual operation of its recently and newly built coal-fired power plants. There is no carbon tax possible there. Red China wouldn't even raise water price ( to spur water conservation via tried-and-true classic economic mechanism ) to address its problem of running out of potable water due to the rampant pollution and environmental degradation so it gets its final word: Hegemony.

All those gleaming "electric this, electric that" there in Red China are actually highly polluting "coal this, coal that"-powered and "cancer this, cancer that."

Traveling on the Trans-Siberian Railroad, however, is largely hydroelectric powered which is far more environmentally friendly ( but have the coal-fired ¿cast-iron? samovars been retired yet ? they or their cousins could have worked great for Texass when they had their outage of self-reliant-and-strong/Juche electricity for weeks in the bitter cold; Texass, an energy giant { with abundant wind, oil, gas resources and production/generation facilities }, "erected a wall" to keep hoi polloi out in order to avoid its electric energy being sapped so the electricity from hoi polloi couldn't get in to help thaw its Big frozen Ass, either; some New York gasoline stations experienced a similar problem during Superstorm Sandy: despite having gasoline in the underground storage tanks, there was no gasoline available because the electricity-operated gasoline pumps couldn't work in the electricity blackout ) than flights in airplanes for traveling the same distance. Red China is into airplanes big time, though. Its "One Belt, One Road" initiative can use the Trans-Siberian Railroad for shipments to become environmentally friendlier.

Having Red China's important trade route being under Russian control will make Red China think twice and thrice before attacking Russia which can probably sell electricity fairly easily to Red China which should shut down its hundreds or by now a thousand or more of coal-fired power plants. ( India and Turkey are next in line backing up Red China with building more of their own coal-fired power plants even if a snowball-in-Hell-not-melting miracle were to happen that Red China would shut down its numerous and high-capacity coal-fired power plants -- it looks like our World is heading for becoming toast with multiple backups to ensure that we 'succeed' in melting as a snowball in Hell.

Look up at the morning ( or evening ) star ( the beautiful and bright planet Venus low in the sky near our sun Sol, best visible during a sunrise or a sunset while the sun is under one's viewing horizon due to the contrast between the darker-than-midday sky and the very bright Venus ) -- we're Venus-forming to reach for our "sister planet's" impossible 'living' conditions. старина phosphine in its atmosphere was touted as a potential evidence for Venusian life: is anyone except for the zombie Soviets still interested in living with that новичок ( newbie, which was half-virgin-birthed using the "defence conversion money received from the West"; Russians could have done extremely well by using that money as capital for scooping in the peace dividend of the tech boom made possible by the ending of the Cold War; for Christians who aren't the Son of God, full-non-virgin birth is the Way/Mode ) ancestral-phosphine-derived poison ?

Russia has much freshwater resource ( yeah, Crimean peninsula's short-of-freshwater problem was a "nostrils-pointing-downwards" fiasco of freshwater-rich Russia ) and the technology to use it well. What's all that Pluto-surface-size land in Russia doing without any human labor: gathering freshwater as watersheds, or if mismanaged, as cesspools, highly radioactive ( keeping facts under a tight lid helps to save face for сталининский ) or otherwise, just being able to yield a few Biblical pre-Exodus plagues ( of water turning red as blood, animals dying in great numbers, tormenting bugs, boils on people, etc. ) perhaps like Lake Kivu.

India was friendly towards Russia so it may well still be willing to buy cheap hydroelectricity from Russia. If Russia shakes off its hegemonic arrogant attitude from olden times ( it was crazy { and stupid of Stalin } that Big Brother U.S.S.R. couldn't convince Little Brother Finland to help with defending against the coming onslaught of Nazi Germany and had to resort to using military force in the Winter War, ) and not-so-olden times, it may well find an eager customer of hydroelectricity from Turkey, too, even if Turkey already has much of its own hydroelectricity capacity. Turkey obviously doesn't have enough electricity if it is going for building coal-fired power plants to generate more electricity.

Boris Nemtsov's acoustic laser idea might have already been realized and used in recent years' attacks of U.S. diplomatic corp. and others such as C.I.A. and defense personnel fielded to сталининский cuntries. As I've already classified the number of hamburgers and frankfurters I have eaten in the past year as yet another "state secret," I fell in line with the cuntries which had "nothing to hide". In the late 1970s ( there was Détente after the late 1960s' U.S. diplomatic intervention which helped settle the almost-having-gone-nuclear border attacks between the U.S.S.R. and Red China { with a rogue U.S. Military commander having ordered a nuking but the order was intercepted and stopped in time with a few seconds to spare to the launching of a nuclear attack on Red China } when the U.S. gained enough good relations with both countries that there was indeed a U.S. Embassy in Beijing and in Moscow; my guess is that cuntries love half-virgin births even after publicly proclaiming having experienced the miracle of full-virgin birth since they have been born again even as adults; Matt 5:37, ) U.S. diplomatic corp. in Moscow experienced symptoms purportedly inflicted by microwave or acoustic waves. A newly built U.S. embassy building had to be demolished due to its construction being outsourced to spying-subsidized ¿Russians? who used 'micro-concrete' of ordinary concrete mixed in with numerous micro-acoustic-listening-and-broadcasting devices. Piezoelectric devices can convert sound waves into electrical signals.

Baby boomers earned our keep ( Cold War and post-Cold-War peace begat prosperity 》Arbeit macht frei《 of the Baby Boomers, of whom demographers often classified me as a member near its ending: I perched upon my Big Brother's shoulders when viewing the parades/celebrations { I was always reminded by somebody regardless of whichever culture I happened to be living in at the time } and I read some of his high-school textbooks when my watery childplay became impossible due to a political power struggle between authoritarianism and colonialism; yeah, my Big Brother was correct to have warned me of the Big Chunky Anus: KGV School's Colonialism { on Dunbar Road and its vicinity } being evil -- there's no surprise there, for me being a subject of a British Crown Colony who had wholeheartedly become a less-colonial-than-old-Great-Britain American citizen sworn to uphold our Constitution, especially its Bill of Rights, part of which aimed to stop and prevent the abuses by the old British Crown ) by not having nuclear-boomed the World in dozens of very close calls.

Authoritarians often "win" Pyrrhic victories or bloody anuses ( like Muammar Gadhafi, by his people ) and noses, or free rides on nooses ( like Saddam Hussein, by his people ).

Here's a great tip to help anyone interested in avoiding getting into Big Troubles with the U.S.: understand the Holy Bible for moral guidance and redemption. We were a slave-holding but morally striving Christian [and secular, but nevertheless or actually because of secularism, the World's most religious, in terms of the percentage of population believing but just don't ask what they believe] nation. During Détente, I gained intellectual-prowess respect towards the U.S.S.R.-led bloc. In recent years, I also liked ( and gained respect towards ) the [¿grumpy? perhaps, but righteousness redeems the sharp-incisive brusque manner] Russians who griped about the misery and de facto DPRK-imposed slavery suffered by the North Korean expatriates working in Russia.

I understand and feel Exodus [biblical] stories. Russia has a [somewhat damaged by the intervening Soviet atheistic rule with its lie, lie, lie -- lie more lies, "state secret this, state secret that"] Christian culture, to which I can relate.

Christianity isn't rational but it's a significant part of U.S. thinking. We being massive in several dimensions aren't going anywhere else fast so deal with it. 1 Corinthians likes happiness.


STOP spewing self-referential, RW b-s on my posts and threads gripes - U utter fkn dolt!!! + Consider:

multum in parvo?


complete end to fossil fuel use

"it's the only way to be sure"


"Chomsky: We Need Genuine International Cooperation to Tackle the Climate Crisis" - by CJP:

From which: "Global warming is accelerating, bringing the world close to the edge of the precipice. Heat waves, floods and deaths are major news and as Truthout has reported, “this summer’s record-breaking temperatures caused by climate catastrophe that until recently, even the most pessimistic climatologists, thought was still two or three decades out.” Yet, as Noam Chomsky points out in the interview, corporate media devoted almost as much coverage in one day to a space cowboy, than it did for the entire year of 2020 to the biggest crisis facing humanity."

And which ends ... "Rosa Luxemburg and the Wobblies sketched the kinds of “system changes” toward which humanity should strive - in one or another way. Short of the goals they envisioned, steps must be taken towards engaging an informed - and concerned public in international institutions of solidarity and mutual aid, eroding borders, recognizing our shared fate,& committing ourselves to working together for the common good instead of “cutting each other’s throats.”



"Average Global Temperature Has Risen Steadily Under 40 Years of Neoliberalism"! .. by C.P. Polychroniou:

adspice et prospice!


Note that "It Just Rained on Greenland's Summit .. For The First Time in Recorded History"!


[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23462) 1 week ago

2021 Europe's warmest summer on record.


What is it going to take to get governments to respond to this crisis? I feel like the people get it, it's the governments that are lacking.


"Developing countries" such as Red China, India, and Turkey have chosen coal for Earth's future. None of the other countries will matter. Paris Climate Accord excluded the strong, strong, stronger, developing, developing, and "still developing" Red Whale.

It'll be up to our children and our children's children ( if any ) to live in earnest with Anthropogenic Climate Chaos ( and far more new Asian plutonium bombs coming online ).

The Cold War went away in a whimper ( due to the rational chess players involved ) but The Hot War of Mewtwo may well go the opposite way.


[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 8 years ago

Agreed. Society needs psychological restructuring and control over media as well as government by the people is an a solute need in effecting this.

However, corporatism has a hold of both gov and media. Which is why ART5 is absolutely needed. In the current ows forum, cognitive infiltration is so complete, people cannot discuss solution, only the sensation of the problem dynamics increasing.

[-] -1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 8 years ago

Wheres repubs at these demonstrations?



"'Sleeping giant' Arctic methane deposits starting to release, scientists find", by Jon Watts:

"Exclusive: expedition discovers new source of greenhouse gas off East Siberian coast has been triggered" ... BUT DOES TRUMP GIVE A FK?!

omnia causa fiunt ...


"The Planet Cannot Survive Our Remorseless Pursuit of Profit" (important link) by Owen Jones:

"Oil companies knew 50 years ago the huge damage they were doing. Their motive to ignore it is the same now as it was then."



"Green New Deal Is Essential for Human Survival: Noam Chomsky & Robert Pollin" with C.J. Polychroniou:

MULTUM in parvo!


So "What If 401(k)s Could Fund the Green New Deal Instead of Wall Street?" by Alexis Goldstein:

dum spiro, spero ...


People can help when they paint their buildings' roofs if they use titanium-dioxide-based white paint.

Most buildings strive for avoiding big fluctuations in temperature. White roofs reflect more sunlight thus reducing the sun heating up the buildings. This can reduce the buildings' cooling bill. Their surroundings are also cooled down, thus alleviating global warming on at least two fronts: less carbon-dioxide emission from fossil fuels burnt to generate electricity to cool the buildings with and less sunlight-induced heating during the day. At night, the white roofs can keep the heat inside of the buildings, reducing any heating needed to keep the buildings warm and any carbon-dioxide emission associated with that.

With the ultraviolet light contained in sunlight, the titanium dioxide catalyzes the breakdown of air pollutants thus cleaning up the air we all breathe.

White insulation or insulation under the white paint can also be used. Titanium dioxide is the whitening substance used in many toothpastes.

Doing so can save heating and cooling costs, reduce greenhouse gas emission, improve air quality, and alleviate global warming. We thatch "rooftop multi-year ice."


But "This election (wasn't) about the next four years. It's about the next four millennia" .. by Bill McKibben:

Now feel free to spout wildly, as is your wont .. but try to do so after reading the actual article perhaps?

multum in parvo ...


"As Biden Considers Climate Nominations, He Must Go Beyond an Obama-Era Reboot"! by Wenonah Hauter:

spero meliora ...


NB "Biden’s Climate Plan Is a Catastrophe in the Making"! .. by Robert Belano:

respice et prospice!


Re. Australia's Fire Storm Summer …

e tenebris, tenebris?!


"'This Scares Me,' Says Bill McKibben as Arctic Hits 100.4°F—Hottest Temperature on Record"


respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] -1 points by grapes (5232) 1 year ago

Calm down. Join the grave dancers. Brew yourself a cup of British-inspired sweetened milk tea. The British had fought at least several wars over tea and produced a few colonial "Son of a Gun/Bastard," such as Hong Kong ( Opium Wars -- one thing led to another starting with the craving of tea ) and the U.S. ( Revolutionary Wars were likely triggered by the "Boston Tea Party." ) Most people can afford that cup of tea without destroying our Earth.

Not all teas are suitable for making this milk tea because the tea flavor would be muted by the taste of milk and honey/sugar. It offends the sensibility of some people to do this sacrilegious act of defiling the purity of good quality tea but it doesn't offend me as long as it's not my tea. I suppose that even the billionaires in Hong Kong drink this sweetened milk tea with pleasure. Imagine having an egg tart with it ( shrimp on a piece of fried French "toast" { sliced bread } made with sweetened egg batter and scallions will be great, too ) during tea-time in the afternoon... Heaven.

Tea-time is a very nice British custom ( it's perhaps transmitted from Central Asia to China to Japan.. to Williams Adams, the English samurai, and the British to my Dad; our former U.S. Army General Stanley A. McChrystal understood how important it was to drink 'Cha' with the local Afghan natives in order to fight terrorism effectively; the Anbar Awakening in Iraq didn't just happen to come out of thin air or Washington D.C.'s hot air, either ) so I understand why Dad wanted me to get to learning about tea-time eagerly, shortly after I had learnt all 26 Roman alphabets and 2x26=52 Globalese { i.e. English, its name is being propagandized in the same fashion as Putonghua/Mandarin } vocabulary words: from 'apple', 'arm', .. to 'zebra', 'zoo'. That vocabulary book seems to be prophetic of New York, N.Y.'s evolution. Yeah, I'd heard of "The Bronx Zoo" even when I was a kid; it's world-famous. The "Bronx High School of Science" also launched a number of Nobel Prize winners. Maybe some proud traditions just balk at crossing racial ( or more accurately to me anyway cultural ) boundaries created by Whites' flight.

Hmm, shouldn't we be instituting Affirmative Action Programs for the True Whites by kicking out the Fake Whites&Blacks ( Al Qaesians of the Arabian Peninsula ) first?

In Scandinavia ( or maybe the ¿High Arctic?,) it's still not that many days late to dance around a maypole ( instead of a grave, it's more fun anyway,) originally making its first appearance in the New England Colony as an 80-foot-tall priapic pine. Now, having sung of the glory of the true North, for how much less will Canada sell Ladakh to our Trumpanzee, the artful wheeler-dealer?

No one of a maying mind needs to peruse Rosalind Franklin's epoch-making photograph of area 51 to understand how symbolically prescient about DNA strands the dancing around the maypole was. The law of the conservation of angular momentum is an eternal law.


So, 100 deg.F in the Arctic Circle & your suggestion is tea?! At least it was only 2 paragraphs! +FYI:

ad iudicium?


Tea or 'Cha' has an exceptionally great ability to calm agitated people down. That's what many people need these days, not more alarming news about Russia's Siberian Arctic.

It's very important news for policymakers but not for the masses.

Note that this human settlement/city has the widest temperature range in the whole world so 100.4°F is just yet another new extremum. If one takes a look at why it's like that, one sees that it's hundreds of miles inland, far away from any ocean except the Arctic Ocean. The photographs didn't show many trees at all to ameliorate temperature swings. The Arctic Ocean closest to it is nearly ice-free so ice melting cannot cool it down much. If one's into shipping refrigerated fish from Vladivostok to St. Petersburg, one should rejoice that there may well be a completely ice-free and much shorter route for one's ships.

There are many different perspectives on the disappearance of ice. It's horrible for the polar bears for sure but they have been breeding with other bears so they will largely disappear but live on as hybridized bears. We can choose the perspective relevant to us.

Beware of the methane bomb going off although it's not going to affect me much anyways. Our progeny may well be so-called "fried" but I quote my Mom talking about my birth, "New Governor takes office. Old Governess leaves office." Few people can choose their own parents and inherited karma is karma ( by the time I was born, we already had nuclear bombs, heavy-lift rockets, microchips to put us right at the center of the crosshairs, radioactive tritium-laced drinking water, and antimatter-shooting bananas.)

I consider it to be a success that my generation hasn't blown up this world so far with our tens of thousands of nuclear weapons ( the Soviet Union generally had higher-yield nuclear weapons than the U.S. because U.S.S.R. guidance technology wasn't as accurate as ours so they hacked by compensating inaccuracy with a larger kill radius; attaining extremely high accuracy in targeting allows using very little to kill a person, any person; the delivery vehicles can likewise be much smaller in their carrying capacities; the U.S. doesn't require using a strategic nuclear bomber with hefty carrying capacity to deliver a nuclear strike; it's unsurprising that the U.S. has accidentally dropped airborne nuclear bombs on itself and Spain, { a N.A.T.O. ally, sorry about the accident! } during the Cold War; maybe the Soviets also lost some, too, but it should be a smaller number than the U.S. because the Soviet ones tended to be less fly-able than the lighter nukes of the U.S. Except for its psychological impact and at the siege of Sevastopol, Nazi Germany's really BIG gun Gustav didn't do much in reality in WWII because it had to be carried upon railroads, limiting where it could be; just think of how Russia, the land of many rivers and muddy "lofty banks", which even has a law against people driving dirty ¿muddy windshield? cars, is ¿suitable? for the extremely heavy Gustav lumbering and operating there ! ) Xi math has: "..little people don't amount to a hill of beans..." so "Here's looking at you, kid."


Do U Need Good Clean Water For Tea? If U think so and know anything about tea, go read this ...

Why has your first reply to me acquired 4 more paragraphs, gropes? WhoTF is reading your $H!T? NOT me, for sure! STOP replying to me &/or infecting my threads with your reactionary RW drivel and/or your senile dementia gripes. U've been warned before. IF U need to vent a furore scribendi, do Forum Posts!

et temet nosce ...


Absolutely but clean air comes first. Of course, we have the Orange primate in charge of our Brothel, relaxing the clean-air regulations so people can become more toxic and nerve- and brain-damaged. We are getting to a breaking point alright. We already have WalkingwhileWhite, WaitingwhileWhite, etc.

Yeah, I got WalkingthroughWhites' and almost did RippingoutWhites'Apple. I was told as a young immigrant NOT to do WalkingthroughBlacks' and taught to recognize physical indicators for dangerous neighborhoods ( I learnt the meaning of 'zebra' from Americans in Manhattan, all over again, as my kindergartener vocabulary word was newly understood; Tessa Majors being robbed and killed was why I thought the prejudice/immunity inculcated into me was extremely valuable and life-saving; it's important to know where a white stripe of the 'zebra' ends and a black stripe starts and vice versa; here's a safety tactic I hadn't learnt to my own detriment, leading me to be jumped from behind and robbed: surrounding myself with extremely high-speed traffic by walking in the middle of the street on a traffic island when I discovered three dark-skin folk stalking me; it was so narrow that I could have easily knocked them out into the traffic one by one; motorists tend to get involved calling the police once they start running over the robbers or crashing themselves trying to avoid running over the robbers.) It promoted domestic tranquillity, I believe.

A policeman told me after things had been stolen from me that I should become more careful next time to guard against thefts ( yeah, I needed to carry a tarp and wear a burqa for males ! ) Blaming the victims is a traditional cure for crimes, at least in the Islamic and patriarchal world. I don't expect much improvement with an übermatriarchal world, either ( biologically females who had risen to power in a patriarchy turned out to behave even worse--"maler than male"--than the biologically males; besides, most people ordinarily don't grab at the nearby crotches to determine convexity; it's the behavior/behaviour that matters.) However, having more young matriarchy to help balance our geriatric one-foot-in-the-grave-already patriarchy makes sense.

Maybe SlappedinthefacewhileWhite with a laughing "Happy Thanksgiving" or "Merry Christmas" being delivered won't be far off, as the Whites had said before to the "boys." Yeah, boys will still be boys, albeit packed with a punch. Where's the clean up of the air, water, food, etc. so that they don't have the toxic heavy metals such as lead, mercury, etc.?

The pandemic has so far done a GREAT job in cleaning up our air !!! Smell the viral fresh air. The sky is so blue recently. I haven't seen such "blue blue sky" in many decades since my preschool years crouching in a "foxhole" searching for "enemy" aircraft. Wow !!!


Sadly the COVID19 CoronaVirus has left U even more Full of SH!T gripes! Fk off & read this ...

multum in parvo ...


I reckon that I had already caught SARS_CoV-2 in early afternoon on February 8th, 2020 and become a CoViD-19 survivor by late afternoon on February 12th. I didn't get tested due to the CDC guideline in effect, then requiring a fever and I used a high-tech electronic touch-to-the-temple "Made in China" thermometer with likely stale batteries ( as I had been healthy for years since I caught the H1N1 flu in 2009--my preparedness just laxed off; I should've kept some fresh batteries on hand for the thermometer.)

Electronic thermometers which fail more abruptly rather than give faulty readings may be better or one can go low-tech and highly reliable with Galinstan(R) eutectic-metal( Ga, In, Sn )-mixture somewhat-toxic-if-inhaled-or-toxic-if-ingested but mercury-free thermometer. I'm an adult who tries to avoid inhalation or ingestion of broken thermometer materials so I prefer this better than the cumulatively neurotoxic [ turning organic after reacting with dust, for example ] mercury. Henceforth, I plan to keep both types of thermometers, using the liquid-metal one to calibrate the convenient and high-tech one but largely using the convenient one to reduce the chance of breaking the liquid-metal one.

I have detailed my experience, advices, and predictions about CoViD-19, masks usage, oxygen concentrators, namaste, decongesting orange-rind tea { citrate turned out to be an anti-coagulant, exactly what I had needed to ward off my potential blood clots coming on--I started seeing shadows of small blood vessels when I blinked my eyes, } flushing my gastrointestinal tract and with water, Texass and other hitherto spared Red States soon to go gloriously red, etc. for months here already. The blowing up of CoViD-19 cases in the U.S. is entirely within my expectation so it doesn't alarm me, as a former unwitting grave dancer in childhood 《採山花,覓樹果》, eating a guava and sucking flower buds' nectar from a cemetery. It's all under the Maniacal Artist's control, as it was predicted.

The Maniacal Artist whose name in Physics is Alpha is taking care of the air we all breathe. It's thus written, "Speak to the earth and it shalt teach thee," and, "The meek shalt inherit the earth."


"Siberian Forest Fires Increase by Fivefold in Week Since Record High Temperature .. Warning Signs!" by Eoin Higgins:

Ever noticed how all your b-s responses are replete with "I, me, my, mine" gripes? Narcissistic much?

nosce te ipsum ...


What Siberia has a lot of is wood. Wood burns if it has dried up and reached ignition temperature, maybe from a lightning strike or the "fiery" animals ( i.e. we ) which have harnessed fire ( i.e. plasma ) but accidentally lost control. Between "fire" and the water of a watershed is where we love to live. In Siberia, it's where there is wood, natural gas, oil, or electricity, and river ( fresh ) water.

My seeming Narcissism is the result of self mining done on one's inner passage, Reiyukai, ( "Care about others," the spiritual underpinning of the Rise of Post-earthquake-nuclear-calamity Modern Japan ) to reach 元神: 元神是太虛幻境的一部分一般人較難感悟其存在和功能.. 修煉此法者人生最重要之事在於深層感悟並開發元神的功能...

As explained in the quote above, there are two directions for reaching the origin: inward towards oneself and outwards towards the Universe. Regardless of which direction one takes, one will see the "Face of God." It's because we ALL came from the same primordial source of cosmic fields--the Big Bang. It's like us being in the drop of water my Mom dripped into the bowl in the silvery full-moon light shortly past midnight which caused ripples of the cosmic fields to spread so-called "out."

"There's a fairy crew out boating.. Boating, boating, in the sky." "What shall we do with the drunken sailor?" In whichever direction one goes, one aims to reach the origin although the inner ( self ) passage into the funnel is less distracting. Much of what's in us, oxygen, calcium, etc. has literally come from the stars ( i.e. the cosmic nuclear bonfires like the flying sparks from a firework exploding in the sky.)

A flying saucer in the sky caused the stalling of a car when it came close by. It probably interfered with the electrical ignition system which included the solenoid and the spark plugs, to cause engine misfiring and stalling. It had to have very strong electromagnetic mechanisms onboard. It also spooked the farm animals which were sensitive to subsonic or ultrasonic vibrations such as those shortly before an earthquake. The flying saucer had vibrations inside it indicating internal moving parts. A straight line and a circle are dual under a conformal transformation: inertial guidance gyroscope wraps linear momenta into angular momenta.


Meanwhile ''Greenland's Melting Ice - Passes Point of No Return!

omnia causa fiunt ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23462) 1 year ago

"When it comes to climate change, what happens in Greenland does not stay in Greenland. The Greenland ice sheet is the largest contributor to global sea level rise, the paper pointed out. It currently raises ocean levels by more than a millimeter a year, CNN reported. And sea levels are expected to increase by around three feet by century's end.

"There's a lot of places, like in Florida especially, where one meter alone would cover a lot of existing land areas," King told CNN. "And that's exacerbated when you get storms and hurricanes and things like that, that then cause extra surge on top of a higher baseline."


''How MIT whitewashed the climate change denialism of a major donor, David Koch'', by M. Hiltzik:

honi soit qui may y pense ...


''The Big Lie we’re told about Climate Change is that it’s our own fault: How to deal with despair over climate change.'' by Mary Annaise Heglar:

per ardua ad astra ...


''Only Rebellion Will Prevent An Ecological Apocalypse''! by George Monbiot:

''No one is coming to save us. Mass civil disobedience is essential to force a political response.''




ad iudicum ...



verb. sat. sap. ...


''Why Extinction Rebellion Might Succeed - and in Many Ways, Already Has!'' by Diana Stewart:



''CO2 hits record high of 416 ppm but saddest thing is .. that this won't be breaking news!"

respice; adspice; prospice ...


Not one question on climate in last Dem Debate.


Thankfully, Bernie Sanders is the strongest candidate on climate change.

See his Green New Deal plans here:



Note ''Joe Biden Pays Lip Service to Climate But Has Fallen Short on Action.'' by Sharon Zhang:

In tweet vid.above Biden refers to "the Amazon burning" but there's no sign that he's sure of anything!



"Big Oil Takes $1.9 Billion in CARES Act Tax Breaks Intended for Small Businesses!" ... by Eoin Higgins:

"CoronaVirus relief legislation has virtually rescued climate-killing industries!" Thieving Lying Bastards!

multum in parvo!


"A New Trump Rule Could Help Big Oil Crush The Climate Movement"! ... by David Sirota:

NB: "A rule backed by oil interests tries to keep retirees’ savings locked in climate-threatened assets. Meanwhile, the government says the military must avoid those kind climate-threatened investments."

respice; adspice; prospice ...


"How the Decline of Bee Colonies Could Collapse Our Food Chains .. A New Film Shows''

respice; adspice; prospice ..




which ends: ''In some of these countries are the Trumps and Bolsonaros of the world who are actively accelerating the climate and extinction crisis by expanding fossil fuel extraction, wiping out regulations & protections for humans & other species & mowing down rainforests. In countries of … “enlightened” capitalists, leaders pay lip service to the problem - but are prevented by workings of the systems they head to do what’s necessary to deal with the crisis, and so continue with “business as usual.”



spero meliora ...


It appears ''ExxonMobil Is Still Bankrolling Climate Science Deniers!'' by Elliot Nagin:

fiat justitia!


''The Coming Flood: A Data Error Is Corrected .. And Our Future Is Rewritten''! - by Jeff Goodell:

''A new study (below) on sea level rise, reveals parts of Asia and the Middle East are in far more peril than we thought!''

respice; adspice; prospice ...


''The destruction of the Earth is a crime. It should be prosecuted!'' ... by George Monbiot:

multum in parvo ...


60% of wildlife lost in last 50 years.

It's a horror story. George Monbiot is right. He's called for militarism and was arrested, himself with Extinction Rebellion.


"The WWF’s latest Living Planet Index reveals just how rapid and dramatic those shifts are, calculating that the population abundance of mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians and fish has decreased by more than half in less than 50 years. The report attributes the declines to habitat loss, pollution, climate change, over-exploitation and the spread of invasive species and diseases, underscoring environmentalists’ concerns that human activity is taking a heavy toll."

If that seems bleak, the detailed findings and lack of commonly agreed solutions make it bleaker still, with current targets and actions amounting “at best, to a managed decline,” according to the report."


Note: "California Is Living in the US’s Dystopian Future'' - by Stephanie LeMenager:



IF "the emerging science of collapse ... suggests that civilization in its current form, premised on endless it is growth and massive inequalities, is unlikely to survive this century (THEN) it will either evolve into or be succeeded by a new configuration, perhaps an “ecological civilization”, premised on a fundamentally new relationship with the Earth and all its inhabitants—or it will, whether slowly or more abruptly, regress and contract.

"What happens next is still up to us. Our choices today will not merely write our own futures, they determine who we are, and what our descendants will be capable of becoming. As we look ahead, this strange new science hints to us at a momentous opportunity to become agents of change for an emerging paradigm." - from …

sic transit gloria mundi?!


"Amid Climate Crisis, Many Americans Still Don’t Know What the Green New Deal Is!"... by Elan Young:

"A 2020 poll by the Center for American Progress Action Fund showed a similar level of confusion about the policy proposals in the Green New Deal. A whopping 53 percent of Americans could not say whether the Green New Deal was favorable or unfavorable. They simply don’t know what it is."

"The age of Climate Denial and Climate Incrementalism, may be coming to a close, but it is not over yet. Even Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett said in hearings that she does not have firm views on climate science. What is more ... her father was a longtime Shell Oil lawyer - and Shell has a major case before the Supreme Court. With the help of such government inaction - fossil fuel companies continue to distract people from their role in the crisis with Greenwashed Marketing Campaigns and carbon footprint apps that focus on individual actions rather than collective action on climate. Meanwhile - Global Climate Catastrophes continue to play out across the country, impacting vulnerable communities the hardest, but impacting everyone in some way. Given all the time constraints of the climate fight - this election has the power to set the course for far more than the next four years. It’s no wonder this 2020 election has been dubbed the most important election of our lifetime."

prospice et caveat!

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 11 months ago


This chart shows why China and India probably control the future of the Earth as far as how hot it gets. One can take out one of the other major emitters ( note that they all either reduced or kept emission unchanged over the past few decades despite largely growing wealthier so the narrative about "collapsing the economy" has obviously been bogus; we knew for a long time already how to "green" our energy environment without "collapsing the economy;" I suspect that East Germany has also become both wealthier and greener than in 1991 when it was freed and joined West Germany; the Communist bloc's enamored idea about having coal and steel heavy industries making a country rich has just been plainly wrong--just compare the GDP per capita of the DPRK with the ROK; same people, nearly same climate but different "neighbors," different systems--DPRK got the Soviet and Chinese neighbors' help and possessed the heavy industries and mineral deposits; ROK was rural and being "raped" by its American occupiers and "exploited" by its American "neighbors;" well, here are the ranking about how well-off they are now compared to each other--oops, DPRK being high-proof must have evaporated due to its truthy physics learnt from me and Mom ) and it won't make a difference in the trend at all to reach: 1-800-HOT-HOTT.

Why's this trend in recent years so pronounced in China and India? Both have determined to modernize using their extensive coal deposits ( Turkey, another populous country, vowed to go the coal route, too.) The coal-fired power plants there will keep on spewing carbon dioxide for the next few decades. The climate battle has been lost so it's time to move on to mitigation.

Here's my mitigation plan for myself: To die before that consequence hits. I know it will work.

How does "the global panic to save us all" feel now?


Anthropogenic Climate Change is not just a problem created by the rich world. The U.S. started worrying about this problem in 1989. Red China didn't give a shit afterwards. For a long time, it has been completing the building of a new COAL-fired power plant EVERY WEEK. A larger coal-fired power plant can spew the carbon from one ton of coal (close to 100% carbon) in every second.

Can it really be a surprise that the greatest emitter of pollution and greenhouse gas is NOT the U.S.A? It's Red China. The fastest grower of these was also NOT the U.S.A. It's Red China. As if not enough, Red China has proposed to build many more coal-fired power plants for many countries in its One-Belt One-Road Initiative across Eurasia and Africa. Usually a large coal-fired power plant has an operational lifetime of 30 years or more so most of the recent coal-fired power plants will be operating for at least the next 20 years to the year 2040. I doubt very much that we will see ANY reduction in the annualized level of atmospheric carbon-dioxide level at least until the year 2040.

Besides Red China, despite India's already suffering from the terrible effects of Anthropogenic Climate Change, India has pledged allegiance to using coal for bringing its billions plus people to the modern age of high-energy-usage living.

Of course, there are numerous other populous countries such as Turkey which has already planned to go down the same coal-fired power plant path as Red China and India. It's mostly about costs. The U.S. has been de-carbonizing much faster than before due to its fracked natural gas displacing coal as fuel for new power plants. It's true that hydro-fracking can produce leaked methane (the major ingredient in natural gas) due to leaky pipelines or not flaring it, or using it to turn it into carbon dioxide. This leaked methane however is MONEY BEING LEAKED so every hydro-fracking/natural-gas company has an INCENTIVE to prevent the leaks or using the methane for some useful purposes such as heating.

The U.S. level of emission of greenhouse gases went down due to the 2007-2011 Great Recession so yeah, there is something which will definitely be coming to save us all -- a Global Panic.

A U.S. dropping off of the Earth will NOT alter the outcome. Nor will Europe, not to mention Germany since it's but a part of Europe. The reason why I looked up to Germany for coming up with a solution that will save us all without a Global Panic is because Germany vowed to convert to using renewable energies and it's one of the world's premier technologically advanced countries. The technologies Germany develops on its quest if deployed to the countries which truly matter such as Red China, India, and Turkey can make the big difference needed globally. I'm however pessimistic because costs are the primary driver for these countries which vowed to go the coal route. Great Britain, Germany, and the U.S. industrialized by using coal but this is NOT the 18th and 19th centuries anymore when the level of atmospheric carbon dioxide was much lower.

While I applaud the waking up of much of our younger generation of what is coming, I believe that Greta Thunberg is barking up the wrong tree.

I've decided that the problem doesn't matter much to me personally anyway because I'll most likely be dead by the time the changed climate matters. I tried so I gave up the cause to the new generation but of course, I'm NOT going to change my energy-usage-conscious ways to minimize my deleterious impact on the World. Every little bit by anyone helps but not changing the minds of the policy makers in Red China, India, and Turkey will matter FAR MORE.

It's why I turned my attention towards what's happening in Red China A LOT more these days. It's the future of the our planet at stake, in many ways. Do you want to live under a one-party dictatorship with face-recognition video cameras everywhere capturing your every move to assess your "social credit?" It's more important to me than the climate in 2100 because it may be coming in the next few years from Red China.

There are two kinds of important things: those that will come due very soon and those that may have earth-shaking consequences in the long run if not attended to. Surveillance autocratic statism is of the first kind and very hot climate in 2100 is of the second kind. When surveillance autocratic statism prevails, people like Greta Thunberg will likely be silenced or simply disappeared.

The DPRK comes into my mind because it's hell-bent on having nuclear technology so steering its expertise towards electricity-generating peaceful usage makes sense. The coal may be retired and the nuclear experts have some new tasks to attend to, which need their knowledge. Of course, the displaced coal can still be sold to Red China next door which will probably be running its coal-fired power plants regardless of what happens to Earth's climate at least well into the 2040s. Hauling the coal from next door North Korea instead of from very far away (hundred(s) or thousand(s) of miles) Xinjiang or Inner Mongolia may actually reduce the emission of greenhouse gases due to less truck transport on a ridiculous travail "road" (days of traffic jam for drivers to camp out near it over nights) which is less efficient than rail transport from North Korea. If DPRK has excess electricity from nuclear energy to sell to Red China, it will decrease the emission of greenhouse gases much more.

Cooling usually uses even more energy than heating so closing that refrigerator door is important. Recycling scrap paper is likely next in importance depending on what they do with the recycled scrap paper because nowadays much "recycled" things are simply burnt or buried in landfills since Red China banned importing many recyclable materials. Lights if coming from LEDs or CFLs, but NOT incandescent light bulbs are often using the least energy. Yeah, anyone who is still using incandescent light bulbs should replace them with LEDs or CFLs, LEDs being environmentally more benign since they are often made of gallium nitride which is not environmentally polluting as the very small amount of mercury present in CFLs. Besides, converting to higher efficiency light bulbs such as LEDs and CFLs has an additional benefit other than a lower electric bill and often reducing mercury pollution at the coal-fired power plant making the electricity: these higher-tech lights last a very long time so the need to change the light bulbs is greatly reduced, probably reducing falling accidents coming from changing of the light bulbs in high-up or hard-to-reach places.

Time of using electricity also affects greenhouse gas emission. In the U.S. with nuclear power plants generating much of the base-load electricity used from 11 p.m. to 7 a.m., whatever one does with the electricity tends to have less greenhouse gas emission. For example, washing dishes in the automatic electric dish-washing machine during these hours can reduce greenhouse gas emission as compared to running it at 9 p.m.

A car trip to fetch that gallon of milk can often be cut nearly in half if one plans ahead and fetches it while coming home from work. Combining trips can save a lot of gasoline or diesel, time, pollution, and greenhouse gas emission. Every activity presents an opportunity to save money, time, reduce pollution, alleviate Anthropogenic Climate Change, save lives in perhaps faraway lands, etc. One needs to know about watts, calories, joules, various efficiencies and their ratings and make better decisions. It's the reason why I say that the World is both overpopulated AND underpopulated. Ignorance and poverty pollute.

If the French can go by with only taking a bath every two or three days, Americans can certainly do the same and not take a shower every morning. From my personal observations (yeah, you can probably guess correctly that I'm a male with "wandering eyes,") French women seem to age slower than American women. I wonder whether it was due to this difference in bathing habit. I know that hot water and soap wash away the skin's own natural oily secretions so with less oil on American women protecting them (many cosmetics try to replenish this oil with chemicals such as what my Mom used, especially in winter: glycerin which is a 3-carbon oily sugar, coconut oil, palm oil, etc.) they may have developed wrinkles a lot earlier. In general, one associates wrinkles with aging. I do.


"The dominant narrative around climate change tells us that it’s our fault. We left the lights on too long, didn’t close the refrigerator door, and didn’t recycle our paper. I’m here to tell you that is bullshit. If the light switch was connected to clean energy, who the hell cares if you left it on? The problem is not so much the consumption — it’s the supply. And your scrap paper did not hasten the end of the world."

She apparently hadn't run something between a rock and a hard place. It's not that people don't have the desire to use clean energy instead of fossil fuels. It's mainly because of the costs involved in converting to a clean-energy economy. Convenient clean energy has been a precious commodity for a long time. I take it to mean abundant on-demand electrical energy without severely polluting impact. Such thing underlies "development" and is globally desirable.

Anthropogenic climate change is manmade and it must be mansolved. For example, among the three actions she cited, (lights, refrigerator door, and scrap paper) which is the most important one to remember to do to have the most impact? People may not know or care.

In the environmental mantra of "reduce, reuse, recycle." Which action has the most impact? Reduce. It doesn't have to mean austerity but it does mean being conscious of energy expenditures and making better decisions. Energy is involved in everything we do so we can and must tackle the problem from ALL sides: demand side, supply side, substitution side, sublimation side, etc.

Raising a child involves the greatest expenditure of energy most people will ever make. Bucket list's energy impact depends on what are on it. Travel plans are usually overblown in their purported significance. Some people travel in order to be able to claim that they have visited famous places. I'm not in this group. My most enjoyable travel experience was to study intensively about a destination and then go visiting there for real with a well-laidout plan. Inevitably meeting up with reality, the plan sprang surprises! Getting mansplainingly lost on "a scenic route" but never "topologically (i.e. manly) lost" can be fun because I experienced serendipity (the most beautiful mass variety phytosexual display I've ever seen but it was obviously missing from my well-planned itinerary!)

My most miserable travel experience was an impromptu one without a plan ahead of time. I succumbed to the charm of "socialism." ( With over 100,000 people living in Flint, Michigan drinking that municipal water, someone would have surely known the pitfalls of using Flint river's water as feedstock. Alas, not even one! ) The ensuing fiasco cured my wanderlust for at least a generation. What could go wrong? Nearly everything! Never underestimate a linguistic barrier or a leadership of all equals, even with many similar people who were just as linguistically challenged (yeah, we had linguistic equality of ignorance!) despite being in a world-class foreign city ( or in some cases just a domestic "enclave" using foreign labor. ) A little bit of "superficial" language skill can go a long way, sometimes. Hmm, maybe that's why my Dad had wanted me to know of the German word for eggs: Eier ( which might have proven his German connection to one of his captors so he was eventually released upon their reaching near his "home" away from home, "home is where the heart is," ) Japanese: water 水 (mizu,) ice water 氷水 (kōrimizu,) and about British teatime.

All travel is actually about getting information. That information can largely be acquired from afar nowadays in comfort and convenience without all of the drawbacks of travel (flight delays, waiting in lines, lost items, items that should've been brought along from home or left at home, security stripping, confiscations [or stuffing oneself with Hawaiian papayas before boarding a flight instead of having them be confiscated], luggage repacking, luggage too heavy and its vacancy too small to accommodate souvenirs, weather being too hot, too cold, too humid, too dry, too rainy, too sunny, shoes being uncomfortable or downright abusive, travellers' ailments: flu from flights, diarrhea from bad water and foods, lying in a hotel bed [in "paradise!" no less] with a high fever while a companion { never go to "paradise" without a companion who can become a друг (drug) but of course, a disbelieving Eve was the downfall of Adam and all in the Book of Genesis } searched for an apothecary, etc.)

[-] 6 points by beautifulworld (23462) 7 years ago

Flood Wall Street on September 22, 2014


"Stop Capitalism. End the Climate Crisis."

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23462) 5 years ago

"Population growth is actually in the poorest countries where emissions are incredibly low, so that's not a problem. The problem is, unfortunately, the richest - the richest people on the planet are responsible for the majority of the emissions. So we do have to do something about their emissions. But, ultimately, we're not saying this is solely the responsibility of people in that richest 10 percent. You don't have to be that rich to get into the top 10 percent in terms of salaries in the U.S. or Europe. But the real problem here, the real blockers are the divested interests in the fossil fuel industry, sort of, the carbon barons. That's a tiny elite and they're the ones who are really holding back progress."

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

Alas ...''The scientists are virtually unanimous that climate change is real, is caused by human activity and is already causing devastating problems in the United States and around the world. And, they tell us that if we do not act boldly the situation will only become much worse in years to come in terms of drought, floods, extreme storms and acidification of the oceans.

And ... ''Sadly, we now have a Republican Party that is more concerned about protecting the profits of Exxon, BP and Shell and the coal industry than protecting the planet. While fossil fuel companies are raking in record profits, climate change ravages our planet and our people – all because the wealthiest industry in the history of our planet has bribed politicians into ignoring science.'' - from:

ad iudicium?

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23462) 5 years ago

Why your comment has zero points is beyond me. Who tf would vote that down or why would you start out with zero points? You, of all people! Just freaking outrageous. We don't have time for petty bull shit anymore.

2015 was the hottest year on record.




I put a few links regarding this because in doing my google search I could see that there are a few nutters out there trying to deny it. We must fight back.


I really don't know why I have ''zero points'' either! Apparently my points should be frozen (no biggie per se) & I should start with ''0'' (admittedly annoying) & also be unable to cast my vote for yours or others' comments (fundamentally unfair) too!! Alas such are the petty tyrannies I & others have faced here - for nearly 4 & a half years but we stumble and struggle on for Bernie & The 99%!!! Thanx for your solidarity & links & in compliment and by Paul Krugman ...

fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23462) 5 years ago

Never give up. Your contribution here has been second to none.



prospice ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23462) 5 years ago




''The Climate Crisis is already here – but no one’s telling us!'' by George Monbiot:

''The media largely relegate the greatest challenge facing humanity to footnotes as industry and politicians hurtle us towards systemic collapse of the planet.''

Alas Bernie is now out of the chase ... because he shot his own fox! I'm still getting over it, tbh!! ONLY Dr.Jill Sanders is saying what he did .. and more & Bernie Sanders & Nina Turner are sadly missing a historic opportunity - by still being so hopelessly attached to Banking Oligarchy's Corporate Duopoly!!!

spero meliora ...


Occupy the Planet!

"Arctic sea ice shrinks to second lowest level ever recorded"


‘Tremendous loss’ of ice reinforces clear downward trend towards ice-free summers due to effects of climate change"

And, let's not forget the connections between the economy and the environment. Occupy Wall Street! End Capitalism as we know it today!


Yep, ''let's not forget the connections between the economy and the environment" .. and USA's War Macine ... deprives The 99% of the fruits of democracy and the services like Healthcare; Education, Debt Free College - that The 99%'s taxes SHOULD pay for! Per the thread & your reply, pls consider:

Your ''Guardian'' link would not open for me btw bw, and you may want to consider checking the url. +

S17 Solidarity!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23462) 4 years ago

"Chomsky: The US is to an unusual extent a business-run society, where short-term concerns of profit and market share displace rational planning. The US is also unusual in the enormous scale of religious fundamentalism. The impact on understanding of the world is extraordinary. In national polls almost half of those surveyed have reported that they believe that God created humans in their present form 10,000 years ago (or less) and that man shares no common ancestor with the ape. There are similar beliefs about the Second Coming. Senator James Inhofe, who headed the Senate Committee on the environment, speaks for many when he assures us that "God's still up there and there's a reason for this to happen," so it is sacrilegious for mere humans to interfere."

Yep, we're in trouble. And, I fixed the link above and add it here again:


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

''Jill Stein 'Debates' Clinton & Trump''(Video & Transcript by Democracy Now!):

Thanx for a great excerpt & the worrisome link & I went off at wee tangent in reply!

fiat lux ...


''Pelosi’s Actions on Climate Fall Woefully and Inexcusably Short of What We Need'' by Democracy Now!

spero meliora ...


''Studies Warn of Increasing Sea Level Rise'', by Dahr Jamail:

caveat ...


''Scientists Are Stunned by How Rapidly Ice Is Melting in the Arctic'', by Dahr Jamail:

respice; prospice; adspice ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23462) 2 years ago

Ice disappearing faster than normal this summer.

"Arctic Summer Melt Shows Ice Is Disappearing Faster Than Normal"



''Eventually, We Will All Be Climate Refugees'' ...

omnia causa fiunt ...


Correction: "Eventually, We Will All Be Climate Asylum Seekers"

Refugees are those who have found a refuge: such as the Teapee Hole-in-One Golf Course in Bedminster, New Jersey? On which hole will Stormy Daniels be bedding for stormy action, as prophesied?

How many people have found long-term refuge away from Earth's climate? Zero. 90% of Americans have above-average American intelligence.

Yep, it's our Blue Origin -- Big O to 0.


''Over One-Tenth of Global Population Could Lack Drinking Water by 2030'' .. by Dahr Jamail:



''One rich American is responsible for much of the ongoing destruction of the Amazon — and he happens to be a top donor to Trump and McConnell'' ...

fiat lux et fiat justitia ...


Global warming is worse than expected.


"The record-breaking heatwave that struck France and other European nations in June was made at least five – and possibly 100 – times more likely by the climate crisis, scientists have calculated.

Such heatwaves are also about 4C hotter than a century ago, the researchers said. Furthermore, the heatwaves hitting Europe are more frequent and more severe than climate models have predicted, they said."


''Why the DNC Must Change the Rules and Hold a Climate Debate'', by Naomi Klein:

ad iudicium ...


Bernie Sanders' Green New Deal unveiled. It will pay for itself in 15 years.



Ending unemployment by creating 20 million jobs

Directly invest an historic $16.3 trillion public investment

A just transition for workers.

Declaring climate change a national emergency.


Supporting small family farms by investing in ecologically regenerative and sustainable agriculture

Justice for frontline communities

Commit to reducing emissions throughout the world

Meeting and exceeding our fair share of global emissions reductions.

Making massive investments in research and development.

Expanding the climate justice movement.



Tho' "Bernie Sanders' Green New Deal Is the Hail Mary This Planet Needs'' ...

''The elites will attempt to kill this plan - just in the same way that they are killing the planet!''

fiat lux et fiat justitia!


Global Climate Strike - September 20



Again https://globalclimatestrike.net/ & NB:

''The climate crisis has moved into everyday life and it can feel overwhelming.

''Hurricane Dorian, which left more than 70,000 people homeless, was an instance of this climate breakdown. A hotter ocean means stronger storms, a higher sea means worse flooding, a hotter atmosphere means more rain. Worsening wildfires in California and elsewhere, devastating flooding in our agricultural heartland, swaths of dead forest in the Rockies, the global collapse of coral reefs — these are just a few examples of the long and lengthening list of the catastrophic impacts of climate breakdown.

''The evidence that human-caused global heating is dangerously disrupting Earth systems is unequivocal, and it no longer takes a scientist to see this. Denying this reality puts billions of lives at risk, and will surely come to be condemned by history.''

prospice ...


"Only rebellion will prevent an ecological apocalypse" - George Monbiot

"No one is coming to save us. Mass civil disobedience is essential to force a political response"


As Greta Thunberg faces attacks from, largely, adult men who must feel threatened, Monbiot points out how lacking arguments against environmentalists from the right are:


Monbiot's call to arms: "Those who govern the nation and shape public discourse cannot be trusted with the preservation of life on Earth. There is no benign authority preserving us from harm. No one is coming to save us. None of us can justifiably avoid the call to come together to save ourselves."


BTUs, watts, calories, joules, various efficiencies and their ratings are largely in adult men's domain of knowledge, don't you think? Women tend to know Calories instead.

I've talked with a Muslim woman who seemed to be indoctrinated with learned incompetence and grievances. I think that it's cultural. Our females in the West are generally far more capable although I admit that they are often lacking in extreme physical strength relative to our males. In doing things, most women can do what men do without compromise but men can't bear a child because we lack the moistware.

This difference in physical strength is why I support the separation of physical sports into men's and women's so that the women may get a better chance to shine than otherwise.

For the same reason, I think that transgender females who have not been cut to stop the testosterone can have an inherent advantage over the cisgender females when competing in a physical sport. We generally disqualify cisgender females who inject themselves with testosterone from competing in a female-only physical sport. A transgender female with testicles is biochemically similar to such a cisgender female injecting testosterone. If one is disqualified for drug usage, the disqualification of the other should also be considered.

Testosterone does tend to make one physically stronger, regardless of whether it's coming from a testicle or an hypodermic needle. Testosterone level is an important difference between people but I haven't seen study results showing the color of one's skin makes a causal difference in one's physical strength. Of course, what one's ancestors had survived through can make an evolutionary difference such as superior physical strength in the male descendants of the African slaves in the U.S. The U.S. is NOT backwards in development as Africa is because of imported malaria-resistant African slave labor but we are certainly paying a social price daily for this long-ago deal with the Devil. Mosquitoes made a huge change in the U.S. as their larvae also did in my own voyage away from my childhood shantytown. Mosquitoes (cotton farming in the U.S. South and my first pets of mosquito larvae) and tea (Opium Wars/Hong Kong and the Tea Tax, Boston Tea Party, and embargo imposed on Boston Harbor which precipated the American Colonies breaking away from the British Empire) were great determinants of developments.

We know how to create superior breeds of human beings: through generations of inbreeding and massive culling. Without these, we are far better off with creating mongrels which can be achieved so much quicker than inbreeding and without bloodshed from the massive culling or sterilization of human beings. To this very day, Hong Kong is in turmoil and some cities and towns in the U.S. are still suffering from the correlation, not causal linkage, of slavery with skin color.


''87% of Americans Unaware There's Scientific Consensus on Climate Change''*, by Pam Wright:

Two years old ... BUT wTf has actually changed in U$A between then & now?! And then there's this ...

hmmmmmm ....


London climate like Barcelona by 2050.

"Global heating: London to have climate similar to Barcelona by 2050"




"Concern about the world’s lack of preparedness for the effects of global heating is mounting among experts. Mami Mizutori, the UN secretary general’s special representative on disaster risk reduction, last week told the Guardian that climate crisis disasters were happening at the rate of one a week, but that countries were not investing in making urban infrastructure more resistant."


''Fracking boom tied to methane spike in Earth’s atmosphere'' by Stephen Leahy:

''The chemical signature of methane released from fracking is found in the atmosphere, pointing to shale gas operations as the culprit.''

omnia causa fiunt ...




There is nothing good about fracking. This article does a thorough review of the many harms to earth and human health. Horrible.

“With fracking,” says Steingraber, “we had six peer reviewed articles in 2009 pointing to possible public health risks. By 2011 we had 42. Now there are more than 1200.” Some states are indeed listening to the scientists. New York, Maryland and Vermont have banned fracking, and even Florida’s state legislature is seriously considering a ban."

Of course, corporations are using money to wield political power to maintain that fracking is safe so they can continue to profit through the exploitation of mother earth and human health.


So ''Let’s Make Friday the Biggest Day of Climate Action in Global History'' by Bill McKibben:

And ...''How To Live With The Climate Crisis Without Becoming A Nihilist.'', by Peter Kalmus:

Thanx for the excellent article re."Fracking" - which is being pursued despite the overwhelming evidence that it is the worst Hydro-carbon extraction method. It would NOT be possible without record low interest rates btw! Here is the essential embedded link - http://www.psr.org/resources/fracking-compendium.html

fiat lux ...


''Neoliberalism has conned us into fighting climate change as individuals'', by Martin Lukacs:

''Stop obsessing with how personally green you live .... and start collectively taking on corporate power"!

''Listen to The Scientists'' says Greta Thunberg .. mostly because despite having a society that is built on science - far too many Americans are in deep denial about its lessons & principles! Ho hum at dumb..

et spero meliora!


Reason to listen: Science works! (and pays.)

My grade-school teacher's advice was, "Look before you leap!" My rejoinder is, "No action IS an action." If Germany can't, nobody can! We can always carve a new wooden god (as we of the U.S. haven't got into a war with [the regular armed forces of] Russia yet although there were near misses. Turkey, a NATO member, shot down and killed a Russian pilot who might have violated its airspace and also a defensive U.S. nighttime airstrike killed "hundreds" of Russian mercenaries who were probably sold out {unwittingly contracted} to Iran to attack embedded U.S. force in East Syria. The U.S. soldiers probably didn't know whom they were fighting against in the murky darkness since the deconfliction with Russian command had yielded that no Russian troops were involved in the attack on the U.S. soldiers who had shown the U.S. flag in an attempt to avert conflict. Self defense is always permitted.)


''Deep Adaptation: A Map for Navigating ClimateTragedy'' ...

respice; adspice; prospice!


Half of Australia's coasts damaged.

Extreme weather has damaged nearly half Australia's marine ecosystems since 2011


No coasts around the world are safe.


''How the world’s dirtiest industries have learned to pollute our politics'' ... by George Monbiot:

Nothing is safe, secure or sacred when Crapitalism leaves ''Externalities'' to be dealt with by others!

caveat emptor!

[-] 2 points by gsw (3365) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago



''Oil and gas companies are desperate to stop the wave of lawsuits seeking to hold them financially responsible for their role in climate change. Should these suits get to trial, their executives would have to testify about whether they knowingly misled the public about the climate threat posed by their products going back to the 1970s.

''A federal district judge in a recent ruling made it harder for the defendants to shut down a lawsuit filed by the state of Rhode Island to have the industry pay the costs associated with climate change.

''The discovery process in litigation — which allows the plaintiffs to get company documents and interview oil company executives — will play a large role in answering that question. There is already substantial evidence that oil and gas company executives created campaigns to convince the public that climate change was not a threat. It was discovery that changed the course of tobacco litigation. And damning documents are imperiling opioid manufacturers in court.

''Needless to say, the oil companies are doing everything they can to stop discovery. Shell, Exxon and other oil companies do not want their executives testifying under oath about why the companies were upgrading their own facilities to prepare for climate change while publicly proclaiming that climate change wasn’t happening.'' - Excerpted from ...

fiat justitia ...


Climate Change linked to infectious disease as a warming world leads to increases in diseases like Coronavirus.

"Climate change is predicted to cause 250,000 more deaths per year from infectious diseases, non-communicable disease like heat stress, waterborne diseases like cholera, and many more."


We simply cannot deny the connections and must unite to fight the degradation of our environment.

Bernie Sanders is the candidate who scores best on Climate Change.


''Capitalism is the Planet’s Cancer: Operate Before it’s too Late'', by G. Monbiot:

e tenebris, lux?


COVID19 leads to drop in air pollution.


I guess everything has a silver lining.


On a COVID19/CoronaVirus tangent and from August 2019 - please calmly consider:

Thanx for your link but maybe the "silver lining" was generated in a poisoned chalice!

respice; adspice; prospice ...


Trump weakens environmental protections.


"The Trump administration is expected on Thursday to withdraw the legal justification for an Obama-era rule that forced coal-fired power plants to cut their mercury emissions, according to three sources familiar with the matter."

Ellen Kurlansky, a former air policy analyst at EPA who helped develop the MATS rule, slammed the move.

“This action, which is a gift to the coal industry at the expense of all Americans, is an attack on public health justified by a phony cost-benefit analysis that purposely inflates the cost of MATS and ignores the value of the human health benefits,” she said."

So while pollution decreases due to us all staying home and not buying as much shit it goes up because of Trump. What a sorry state of affairs.


"Climate Change Multiplies the Threats of Infectious Diseases" important link by Daniel Ross:

"Global warming can lead to compromised immune systems, which in turn makes individuals more susceptible to diseases."

&, "So while pollution decreases due to us all staying home and not buying as much shit it goes up because of Trump" (& his Chumps) "What a sorry state of affairs" indeed! TY 4 your strong linx bw.



Greed trumps and destroys everything, it seems. Love, beauty, health, planet earth, humanity. Just sickening.


"If You've Ever Wanted To Go To Mars, Head To Canada, Apparently"

"Winnipeg was colder than the freezing, inhospitable planet Mars on December 31."


Weird stuff. Perhaps we better start paying attention.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

''From Rising Seas to Walruses, the Arctic's Endangerment Affects Us All''.. by Dahr Jamail:

Yep ''Perhaps we better start paying attention'', once Yule, Solstice, Xmas & New Year are done!

multum in parvo ...


"...the Arctic, where temperatures are rising at least twice as fast as the average global temperature increase."

"Loss of habitat and the drastic reduction of animals' hunting ranges due to receding sea ice now threaten polar bears, walruses and several species of seals, among other animals.

The landscape is changing dramatically as well, and the implications are dire not only for animals in the Arctic, but for all of us."

"Arctic sea ice plays a critical role in the Arctic climate system and marine ecosystem, and as we're learning, its disappearance is having broad effects well beyond the Arctic: from weather patterns to animal migrations to ocean current systems to food webs," she told Truthout. "Its loss will be felt directly and indirectly by billions of people."

[-] 3 points by Viking (417) 5 years ago

The good news for the crew and passengers of the Crystal Serenity is they haven't encountered much ice (so far) on their voyage (via the Northwest Passage) from Seward, Alaska to New York. The bad news for the rest of us is the same.


It seems that many people in AK see Climate Change just as an opportunity.


Human beings are their own and the earth's worst enemies.

"More than anything, the cruise is a symbol, a harbinger of the tourism and commercial traffic that is likely to fill the once-isolated, ice-choked waters of the Arctic. Many scientists have projected that the ocean could become virtually free of ice during summers at some point, perhaps as soon as the next few decades.

That would leave the passage open to a wave of ships that could transform what, until now, has been among the least traveled places on Earth. Such a scenario has caused angst among those eager to explore the Arctic as well as those who want it protected."

How totally idiotic these people are. I just saw a show on people buying up pristine, undeveloped islands on Vanuatu and Patagonia to "develop." Unbelievable.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

Quantity has a quality all its own. A few people "developing" pristine places for people to "get away from it all" ruin the pristine quality once the number of people there has increased enough.

In my lifetime, I have seen many pristine forests, mountains, lakes, islands, deserts, etc. that I used to haunt "developed." They have just lost that quality through the numbers. We can never get away from ourselves. I wonder if we've already detonated the methane bomb with these "End-of-the-World" craters in Russia.


Re. COP21 & the horse trading going on in Paris right now, please consider:

From which: ''Negotiators at the 21st UN Conference of the Parties (COP) in Paris are rapidly moving toward a global climate agreement that promises death and destruction - especially for certain small island and African nations.

''If negotiators finalize the deal, it will lock each and every one of us into a world that promises nearly 3 degrees Celsius of planetary warming above preindustrial levels and - operates within a framework that fails to recognize the reality that capitalism is inherently unsustainable as a system that demands infinite growth on a planet with finite resources.''

Thanx for your excerpts above. There is much more going on in Paris than meets the eye OR that we'll be told about .. until (at best) much later - when it'll be too late! Seasons best wishes at you and yours.

tempus fugit ...


"James Hansen, father of climate change awareness, calls Paris talks 'a fraud'"



And, this great quote from your truth out article above:

"But even as France hosts world leaders to address climate change, the government's blessing in allowing league soccer games and the Christmas market on the Champs Élysées to move forward reminds us, as it did after 9/11, why we must look beyond Western state actors for answers to global problems: because the highest civic duties in so-called "developed" nations are consumption and the protection of the capitalist markets that are fueling the climate crisis."

Because, truth is, if we don't stop consuming so goddamn much, we aren't going to be effective at saving the planet.


Note ... ''Climate Awareness Icon James Hansen Calls Paris Talks 'Fraud' Over Lack Of Carbon Emissions Taxes'', by Chris Tognotti:

From which - ''Hansen's take is basically that all the good intentions and optimistic pledges in the world won't really bring about meaningful change, unless steps are taken to re-balance the financial incentives that cut in favor of dirty forms of energy like oil and coal energy. To that end .. Hansen supports a fee on carbon — as The Guardian noted, the believes the word fee might work better than tax, given the loaded political implications of taxation''

Thanx for the quote, link & excerpt. Crapitalism Causes Climate Change & is a clear & present danger!

veritas vos liberabit ...


In light of what Hansen said we must face the fact that global warming is going to and is leading to flooding, more often, and more deleterious than we've seen before:

"UK floods: Homes evacuated amid heavy rain"


In U.S. "15 million face severe weather today"


"Storms bring double-digit rain totals to Alabama, Mississippi"


All from today, 12/26/15, and yesterday.


At what point do we humans accept that record temps, rainfall and flooding across Northern England, South Eastern USA & many, Many, MANY other places worldwide, is connected to Anthropomorphic Global Warming?! Thanx for the eye-opening links and furthermore, please also consider that ...

''The great delay in climate action has dramatically increased climate change impacts and the amount of carbon dioxide that we must now deal with to prevent even greater impacts. Delay has been caused by the debate casting doubt on climate science in ways that have proven to be very effective in similar debates about smoking, acid rain & ozone-depleting chemicals. Because of the doubt - fundamentally important new climate science has failed to escape the confines of academia & then proceed into the public realm where it can move policy - literally - into the 21st century.'' Excerpted from ...

which then ends - ''In stark contrast to the ongoing denial circus in the United States, key US allies like France, Germany, Canada and Mexico, along with the heads of the World Bank, International Monetary Fund & the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development - all recently made statements in support of having the world put a price on carbon emissions in an effort to work to mitigate ACD.

Therefore, ''All in all, the United States lags behind the rest of the world considerably when it comes to acknowledging the brutal reality of anthropogenic climate disruption. This reluctance to face facts puts the whole world - and particularly the world's most marginalized people - at risk.''

ipsa scientia potestas est ...


2015 smashes record for hottest year, final figures confirm:


Pretty outrageous innit? Thanks for your great reply above.


'' * '' = TWINKLE & what's beyond ''outrageous'' and well past ''nuts' and deep into ''psycho'' is bizarrely the fact that ONLY POTUS 2016 candidate with any sort of resemblance of a rational response to our Anthropomorphic Climate Change is Bernie! The oldest guy in the game!! All the others have climbed into bed &/or up the asses of Gas/Oil/Chemical Corps! Thanx for your excellent link & in compliment:

fiat justitia ...


"Best candidate for the environment: Bernie Sanders"


"Sanders is the only major presidential candidate to support a ban on fracking..."


''The 2016 election is make or break for the climate. We don't have time to make a mistake in our selection for our 2016 leaders.'' - which is how your excellent link, ends. Also fyi ...

fiat lux ...


"Donald Trump Tells Drought-Stricken Californians There Is No Drought"


However, as the article points out: "California has been grappling with an unprecedented drought that covers nearly 95 percent of the state, and experienced one of its driest years ever in 2015. The past several years have been marked by wildfires, water rationing, and mountaintops without snow. And because California is the nation’s top agriculture producer, the situation threatens to upend the United States’ food production system."

Hillary Clinton barely beats this lunatic in polls. So, Bernie Sanders either pushes through at the convention, goes third party, or we're basically screwed, sorry to say.


''Trump Tells .. Californians There's No Drought''!!! That's just the kind of head in the sand; ass in the air thinking that tRUMP excels at!! So that is exactly why his ass must be kicked & ONLY Bernie can do that with any certainty! Thus, fyi:

ad iudicium ...


Solidarity with March for Science. Today, April 22, 2017. Over 600 marches around the world.

Historians say the marches today are unprecedented as scientists realize the need for "political leaders and policymakers to enact evidence-based policies in the public interest."



It looks like the braggadocio in chief, straw-brained scarecrow in chief, or lunatic in chief will be anointed due to Mx. Cheese's funkiness. Tera eRex barging through the bamboo wall to devour Mx. Cheese is indeed a scene from our monster v. monster movie. I can see the ripples in the glass of water and I can hear the thumpets.

California is not stupid though. It has Stanford University which is really world-famous for its students who have dropped out of Stanford and molded the modern world (the U.S.A. is famous for its dropouts of many kinds, from the Old World, from the Empire, from college, from the Vietnam war draft, from unsustainable mountains of debts, etc.). I hope that however retarded the politics is at Stanford, it still promulgates scientific facts and saves California.

California's coastal cities can build a parallel system for seawater distribution so toilet flushing can use seawater instead. It can also try, on federal and multi-state level, to get some meltwater diverted from the Continental Divide drawing water from the vast Mississippi Valley's watershed. California's agricultural industry can improve its water efficiency with better technologies. New buildings can be built in ancient Roman style as a roof-size giant funnel with a cistern underneath to collect and use rainwater for gardening, cleaning, and flushing. These are infrastructure projects that can enrich Trump Construction.


Re. Science March in DC and across US & tho' ''Historians say the marches today are unprecedented as scientists realize the need for "political leaders and policy makers to enact evidence-based policies in the public interest'' (from your excellent link), alas this is what's happening elsewhere ..

spero meliora ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23462) 3 years ago

Hundreds of species face extinction.

This is utterly sad.





Earth's ''Sixth Mass Extinction Ushers In Record-Breaking Wildfires and Heat'' - by Dahr Jamail:

Your link about Arctic Sea Ice is beyond alarming. Capitalism is at fault. Internationalism is the solution.

prospice ...


98% of insects extinct in rainforest of Puerto Rico.

"Scientist Brad Lister returned to Puerto Rican rainforest after 35 years to find 98% of ground insects had vanished."





http://www.extinctionsymbol.info/ and https://twitter.com/extinctsymbol

This of course is THE issue of our times & Crapitalism is the problem!

spero meliora ...


Arctic’s strongest sea ice breaks up for first time on record.



[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

Hundreds of species face extinction.

Pretty much EVERYTHING above the level of a bacteria or a virus, face extinction due to the wealthy few and their bought and paid for servants of governments around the world. All for the wealthy few's insane greed!


Endangered Species Act is at risk as the Trump administration seek to roll it back.


Like you point out, everything is at risk. It's easy to think of wolves and polar bears, but it's everything, all living matter that is at risk. And, all living things are connected, affect one, and you affect many.


Are we there yet? I wonder how the Artic is holding up.

What is the carbon dioxide emission from the Arctic? Cold water can hold more carbon dioxide than warm water so have we got the champagne bottle uncorked? Warm water tends not to have ice covering that reflects sunlight so it can warm up much faster than ice-covered cold water. Is the permafrost melting enough to have great emission of methane? Is effervescence coming soon?


Global Warming Puts the Arctic on Thin Ice


[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

that is cause and effect not a correlation of incidental




Did you notice the building up of the hockey stick in the graph? It will be sad if we haven't built up the hockey stick enough to play before the arctic ice rink melts away. I guess an uncorked bottle of champagne is enough of a consolation for us. It'll be bubbly time!

[-] 0 points by Viking (417) 5 years ago

Here's another despairing link for you.

Russia Warming Over Two Times Faster Than Rest of Planet


The idea that we can tweak, and keep an economic system that brought us to this point is ludicrous.


The Anthropocene, a new geologic epoch, has been entered.


"...the scale and rate of change on measures such as CO2 and methane concentrations in the atmosphere were much larger and faster than the changes that defined the start of the holocene.

Humans have introduced entirely novel changes, geologically speaking, such as the roughly 300m metric tonnes of plastic produced annually. Concrete has become so prevalent in construction that more than half of all the concrete ever used was produced in the past 20 years.

Wildlife, meanwhile, is being pushed into an ever smaller area of the Earth, with just 25% of ice-free land considered wild now compared to 50% three centuries ago. As a result, rates of extinction of species are far above long-term averages."

How totally depressing. And, when you look back at the history of all of this, the root cause always goes back to capitalism because capitalism doesn't care about anything but profit. We humans need to start controlling our economic system rather than letting it control us because it's ruining us and our beautiful home.


The most painless solution is a global revenue-neutral carbon tax and subsidy.

I could not gather enough negative energy to stabilize the wormhole to escape so my escape pod will just be a wooden box six-feet under the tree of life. There will still be worms and a hole alright.


''The problem is Big Oil. Simply put, Big Oil is a bad investment fueled by irrational exuberance, chronic cronyism and an increasingly indefensible misallocation of capital. And decades of throwing good money after bad has produced a distorted economic system that socializes risk, privatizes profits, externalizes costs and misallocates capital. This continues because policy makers sustain it with taxpayer-funded subsidies, costly tax breaks and low-overhead access to publicly held resources.'' from

caveat actor ...


'An underlying problem for federal rangers is that, in some ways at least, they’ve been hung out to dry on the range. In a 2015 report, the US Forest Service reported that the steady growth of 'Western wildfires had sucked the agency’s non-fire funds dry, creating tensions as delays fueled a sense among locals that federal agencies take arbitrary actions. Because of a $115 million dip in funding, “the agency [has had] to forego opportunities to … meet public expectations for services,” the report, “The Rising Cost of Wildfire Operations,” stated.' : http://news.yahoo.com/ransacked-oregon-refuge-shows-disdain-toward-america-rangers-193649213.html

Anthropogenic Climate Change (ACC) has deadly consequences, such as more wildfires in the American West, draining the budget to take care of the land, leading to arson, and eventually armed occupation of federal facility and killing an occupier. Ranching in the West became harder and incomes of the mostly white people were hit hard.

It seems eerily like what had happened in Syria. ACC led to economic stress of the populace which found the government as a scapegoat when it did not respond benevolently. In Syria, the difference between Alawites and Sunnis fueled the growth of the rift apart. In the U.S., the "black" administration and the whites of the American West accustomed to much frontier freedom have racial undertones that can form a rift apart.

Continuing using oil and coal can worsen ACC but we should only migrate people's livelihoods out of the fossil fuel sectors in an orderly way. Pulling people to replacement sectors (such as installing equipments for wind-generated electricity, diverting some water from the Rockies to the Colorado River to feed and sell water to the sun-drenched American Southwest including Los Angeles, generating hydro-electricity in the process, and converting timber into biofuels for trucking [which a carbon tax will help]) instead of pushing them out of fossil fuel (the American West has significant oil, gas, and coal sectors dragged down by the low prices of these commodities) sectors without livelihoods can alleviate the pain.


''Goodbye Petrodollar: Russia Accepts Yuan, Is Now China's Biggest Oil Partner''

verb. sat. sap. ...

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

Renminbi is under pressure to be devalued so Russia is creating a demand for it which is great for stabilizing it. China previously ordered banks to hold more renminbi reserves. IMF tried to entice central banks to do the same by including renminbi in the Special Drawing Rights, with little success. Hopefully, Russia can catch the falling knife and prevent China's potential domestic capital flight.

China's foreign-exchange reserves have dwindled significantly: http://www.businessinsider.com/ihs-chinas-currency-reserve-depletion-pace-is-simply-unsustainable-2016-2 and may soon reach IMF limit. Stabilized renminbi can fend off domestic capital flight so it is a good thing.


That may well all be true and thanx for your interesting link but THE significant wider/bigger point (imo) is the nature of ownership of The Chinese Central Bank! It is NOT ... a Club/Cartel of Private, Dynastic, Banking Interests - BUT is, Wholly Owned And Backed by The Chinese State!! Please think about the implications of that difference as I point out that the very same applies to Iran now & did apply to Libya, where the first action by the new regime (or at least one of new regimes)was to institute the creation of a new Private, Central Bank!!! Finally, more in keeping with the subject matter of this thread, consider..

multum in parvo ...


Bernie Sanders: "Combating Climate Change to Save the Planet"

His plan outlined in detail:



China may be ahead of the U.S. in CO2 emission because it has more manufacturing industries.

Since Obama and Wen Jiabao came out of Copenhagen in 2009 with the let-down 2C target, numerous events have happened that corroborated the case for anthropogenic climate change. CO2 concentration in the atmosphere has already exceeded 400 parts per million. Considering the name of the 350.org which is supposed to aim at the target of 350 parts per million, it is shocking that we are already well beyond that. It's sure enough that we have already experienced many unusual but expected events.


It's a good plan. It may be better if we can relate it more to people's livelihoods. Many of the elephants have myopia so they cannot see the diminutive mosqu-itoes. Perhaps scratching the bites may awaken them.

I had my shocks when I found out that during Superstorm Sandy, the streets of lower Manhattan below 34th street were flooded. I might have been drowned on FDR Drive or in the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel. Sheesh, we even ran out of gasoline for a while. It's not that we did not have gasoline but we could not pump it up from the underground tanks because the electricity to gas stations was knocked out. It turned out luckily that Hurricane Irene had warned us beforehand but nearly back-to-back "Storm of the Century" in just a few years were very unusual, to say the very least.

Like the cigarette-smoking-to-cancer connection, it makes much sense to build up civil defense so we don't lose electricity or have our streets flooded before near-absolute confirmation of ACC. It got very cold and dark for some people, both wealthy and poor alike. Yes, indeed, one can be stranded on a high floor of a high-rise luxury apartment building (without electricity, water, heat, or elevator service for a month), even in Manhattan.


It's a good plan. True. And, it's a start for America, and for the world, because we mustn't forget that we use more energy than the rest of the world and we are therefore, to blame, more than the rest of the world. So, we must lead the way, and Bernie Sanders is a good person to do that.

Sandy was an eye opener and it will take the wealthy being affected before anything is done, unless of course, we can get someone like Bernie into office who is willing to stand up to big interests.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

Americans' livelihoods will be severely impacted according to the National Climate Assessment. Imagine having tidally driven (or Rev. Sun Myung Moon's mass-consummation) traffic jams like this one every day from the crumbling infrastructure. As I recall, the anthropogenic climate change gave rise to predictions that the hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico would become more powerful and devastating. The Far West would have severe droughts allowing great fires. California in recent days has certainly fulfilled that prediction extremely well. Northern California being wealthier than southern California probably didn't expect that wealthy people could be overrun by a wildland fire so quickly and easily but... we got a bonfire of the vanities!

Here's the same Goebbel's book-burning bonfire speech with English subtitle.

"Idol worshipping must be destroyed." Gold, gold coins, and hard currencies are idols in Iran. Iran supports soft currency for its people. Does Islam allow the likeness of a man to be on a gold coin? Is that idol worshipping? Maybe Islam's ban on idols triggered Islamic mathematicians to invent one of the greatest conceptual breakthroughs in the Common Era – algebra – because they had to use symbols for avoiding the explicit graven images of the sought-after answers.

The survivors tended to have heeded the warning signs despite their prior luck. It helped Albert Einstein to have Leo Szilard as a sentry.

"Never push your luck - you only live twice, mit Presskohlen." "The Laconia incident had far-reaching consequences. Until that point, it was common for U-boats to assist torpedoed survivors with food, water, simple medical care for the wounded, and a compass bearing to the nearest landmass. It was extremely rare for survivors to be brought on board as space on a U-boat was barely enough for its own crew."

"Only one life raft left the ship with POWs on board; the rest jumped into the ocean. Survivors later recounted how Italians in the water were either shot or had their hands severed by axes if they tried to climb into a lifeboat. The blood soon attracted sharks."

"Sharks darted among us. Grabbing an arm, biting a leg. Other larger beasts swallowed entire bodies. – Corporal Dino Monte, POW"

The rescue ship Empire Haven described in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Empire_ships as:

Empire Haven was a 6,603 GRT cargo ship which was built by Taikoo Dockyard & 
Engineering Company of Hong Kong Ltd, Hong Kong. Launched on 28 April 1941 and 
completed in June 1941. Torpedoed on 13 August 1943 by enemy aircraft north of Oran, 
Algeria (36°15′N 02°23′W). Towed to Gibraltar by a Royal Navy ship. Towed to UK for 
repairs. Sold in 1947 to R Chapman & Sons, Newcastle upon Tyne and renamed 
Clearton. Sold in 1956 to Compagnia Maritime Amaconte, Liberia and renamed 
Amaconte. Operated under the management of J Ponte Naya, Spain. Scrapped in 
January 1970 at Avilés, Spain.

is not Puff, the magic dragon anymore. "Though not baby unicorns, the essence is forever."

"A dragon lives forever, but not so little boys."



I've just realized that I have unconsciously asked for sanders to scrub the walls of our backyard cesspool if geoduck would not squirt a blast of sand to do so.


there used to be toads and frogs in san diego but the domestic cats ate them


Frog, toad population declining across U.S.:


It's more due to loss of habitat than Garfield.


pollution to a sensitive skin


endangered because of deforestation and predators

[-] 6 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Turning you onto - http://www.nationofchange.org/environment and Never Give Up! Occupy The Issues!

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

"2012 : The Year We Did Our Best To Abandon The Natural World",

"Emissions are rising, ice is melting and yet the response of governments is simply to pretend that none of it is happening".

by George Monbiot.














To avoid another terrible year like 2012, we must translate these passive concerns into a mass mobilisation. Groups such as 350.org show how it might be done. If this annus horribilis tells us anything, it is that action, in the absence of such mobilisation, is simply not going to happen. Governments care only as much as their citizens force them to care. Nothing changes unless we change.


fiat justitia ruat caelum ..


[Article copied verbatim under 'Fair Use' from : http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/31/year-abandon-natural-world & please use this to access all the important, corroborating, embedded links]


Thanx for your link A4C & a happy 2013 to yours and yours.

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Yes! 'If there is hope, it lies with the people' & 'we must translate these passive concerns into a mass mobilisation'! Despite being from a British point of view to some extent, thanks for this really very interesting article.

I have read your other George Monbiot posts here and I appreciate this man's commitment as I do yours. With 350.org in mind, please see - http://www.nationofchange.org/will-350org-fossil-fuel-divestment-campaign-be-key-tactic-2013-battle-over-climate-change-1357146423 . Never Give Up On Climate Issues! Occupy The Future! Solidarity and good wishes for 2013 to you and all at OWS.


"If there is hope, it lies with the people." & thanx for your excellent link A4C and I recommend the short (17m) video to all interested readers. "2012 was a year of extreme weather, from the melting of the Arctic, to Superstorm Sandy, to the massive typhoon in the Philippines. It was also the warmest year on record in the United States, with massive droughts and frequent wildfires."

Young people are are biggest hope and I believe (& hope) that they are increasingly starting to join the dots and question their future as indentured debt slaves.

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 5 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Chris Hedges on Hurricane Sandy, Climate Change & the future - http://www.nationofchange.org/katrina-all-over-again-1354611673 .

I enjoyed your link & this guy's photo blog is very good - http://linhdinhphotos.blogspot.co.uk/ . Climate Change and its implications is particularly felt by the young and it could well be THE issue that rouses them from the apathy of their parents' generation ... or 'so long as I breathe, I hope' :)

Never Give Up! Occupy The Future! Solidarity.





The above three paragraphs are excerpted from your link to the excellent article by the ever insightful Chris Hedges. Thanx for that A4C & I recommend it to all readers and further to which, I also append :

The above is a strong piece which will reward a close read.

veritas vos liberabit ...


'The world was supposed to be getting better. We were supposed to be becoming wealthier, more enlightened. Society was supposed to be advancing. Here I am in America, the most “advanced” nation on Earth, yet even as our financial wealth has doubled and doubled again in fifty years, we have lost wealth of a more basic form; for example, the social capital of feeling safe, feeling at home where we live. Is more security the best we can aspire to? What about a society where safety does not equal security? What about a world where no human being wields an assault rifle? What about a world where we mostly know the faces and stories of the people around us? What about a world where we know that our daily activities contribute to the healing of the biosphere and the well-being of other people? We need a Story of the People that includes all of those things – and that doesn’t feel like a fantasy.' - from your very sobering article & one from me in return - http://www.nationofchange.org/new-year-s-revolution-connecting-dots-coming-together-and-fighting-hell-1356706171 . Never Give Up Sharing News and Views - No Matter How Sobering! Occupy Reality - No Matter How Harsh! Yes, 'the truth will set you free'.


''Can we connect the dots between our primary passions and the burning issues? Can we bring together the full spectrum of the activist rainbow into a single, powerful, laser-focused movement before it's all too late? Can we reach critical mass in public consciousness and grassroots mobilization before the tipping point in greenhouse gas pollution and runaway global warming (565 billion tons of additional carbon dioxide, 450 ppm of CO2) knocks us down forever?'' from your excellent and ultra-sobering link and gosh, I hope so and thus further consider :

ne quid nimis ...

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (23462) 6 years ago

"Arctic Unraveling"

"Arctic Sea Ice Hits Record Low Winter Maximum, Points To Evidence Of Long-Term Climate Change"







Thanx for your link. From the Arctic to Tropical Forests - we're in trouble but we have the technology and wits to overcome this! Now the question is - will we? Maybe the 0.01%/1% are happy to cull most of us!

spero meliora ...

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (23462) 7 years ago

"Earth's New Normal: Wild Weather 2014," Dr. Reese Halter, Conservation Biologist

"As humans ramp-up the destruction of nature in Australia, Canada, Indonesia and elsewhere to feed the insatiable coal and petroleum markets in China, India and the U.S. the amount of melting ice at both poles continues to erode at an astounding rate."


There are some serious and disturbing graphics in this piece. Thanks for all your work on the environment, Shadz. The poor way you are treated by certain people (if you can call them that) on this forum is not unnoticed. Peace to you and yours and keep up the good work. Never give up.


''Washington and the Oil Industry Know the Truth about Climate Change'', by Dave Lindorff :






Thanx for your strong 'huffpo' links above & below. I'm not 'giving up' anytime soon bw and so peace and solidarity to you and yours.

pax, amor et lux ...

[-] 7 points by beautifulworld (23462) 7 years ago


Let us not forget how completely linked up the economy is with the environment. What happens in the economy happens to the environment. A healthy economic system working for the benefit of the masses of people would work for the environment as well, as the interests of the 99% are the interests of Mother Earth.

Thanks, Shadz, for all you've done here for over two years. Your dedication to the 99% does not go unnoticed. You are a true occupier in every sense of the word. Occupy Wall Street! Never give up!


Thanx & on a connected tangent, please consider :

All things are connected, this we know. Thanx for your excerpt, comment, solidarity and kind words and in compliment .. also read, ruminate and reflect upon :

ad iudicium ...




''No one ever said the battle for the rights of the 99% was gonna be easy. We live in corporate tyranny. It's a new type of tyranny, 21st-century style. How do the American people sit by and snooze while this is going on? Are they really that brainwashed ?'' from :

per ardua ad astra ...


It is true that most Americans are waking up to the failures of the political system, but what is also true is that most Americans have a very poor understanding of economics. If they understood economics, even in a basic way, they'd understand that it is economics, and a failing economic system at that, that is underpinning our failed political system. The two work closely together. This is the message that really needs to get out to the people.



dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23462) 7 years ago


I wish I didn't agree with Roberts' quote above, but hey, the truth is the truth.

Here's one young guy's story, "My New American Dream: To Afford Medical Costs After the Student Loan Bill Is Paid":

He says, "This is the new American Dream. To be able to buy food after the other bills have been paid is now what we aspire to."


Pathetic, in the wealthiest country on earth....

Yep, "Cash Abroad Rises $206 Billion as Apple to IBM Avoid Tax" and run away from using the profit earned on the backs of American people, for the American people, I might add. Thanks so much. Please stick your computers and phones up your asses, is my answer.



''My New American Dream : To Afford Medical Costs After the Student Loan Bill Is Paid'' - was how your hard hitting HuffPo link was entitled. Your second bloomberg.com was too infuriating for words but thanx bw for these very revealing links and in reply and in compliment, I excerpt and append for later consideration :



When we're scraping the bottom of the barrel thinking nothing could get worse, remember ...

dum spiro, spero ...


another doctor married to jobs


climate changed arrived just in time to put off social change


Watch the PBS doc. Matt & it's worse than just ''put off social change'' ... it could well tie into Military Industrial Complex 'thinking' too. Thus - & especially with your 'No War' thread also in mind, consider :

Waaaay past my bedtime here, so .. adios y buenas noches amigo.

paz y luz ...


the job market tells me my potential couldn't pass an interview


What possible bearing does that have here ?!!! Or is it yet another fractious contretemps that u were looking to provoke ?!! L0L ! More on topic, consider :

''The debate is over. Climate change is real, and it’s probably worse than we thought. It’s time for the mainstream media to tell it like it is and stop treating wacko theories like the truth. After all, the future of all life on Earth is at stake.''

ad iudicium ...


I'd still put life's ability to survive ahead of human survival on a long term bet

but I believe both are possible


It is only human conceit and hubris which thinks that we are so very important and indispensable to this blue green marble, third planet out from an average star on the arse end of one of the spiral arms of an average sized galaxy !!! I really do agree with you though ; life will always find a way - this side of our Sun becoming a Red Giant !! More to the point right now, wtf is going on with your karma points ?! I mean if yours are frozen and you don't get an automatic '+1' too ... then how is that fair ? Also fyi :

pax ...


Nice tune, thanx & I admire your equanimity in the face of injustice, Also fyi :

pax, amor et lux ...



ah ha, perhaps the land mass ice pack that is melting and cooling the east coast

[-] 5 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 8 years ago

I spend at least a half an hour everyday looking at this:


It should have it's own TV show doing a daily report, but it might have trouble getting sponsors.

[-] 1 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 8 years ago
[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

Thanx for this very interesting link [ http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm ]. With an eye opening karmic coincidence, I had just posted an article where this will be relevant and you could be right about "getting sponsors", lol.

fiat lux ...


If only those money figures were relevant

the way to stop CO2 emissions is to stop emitting them

the market can't change that equation

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23462) 8 years ago

1600 years of ice melts in 25. If this doesn't scare people into caring about the environment I don't know what will. NY Times article:

"In Sign of Warming, 1,600 Years of Ice in Andes Melted in 25 Years"



''Climate change 'will make hundreds of millions homeless''' :


''Massive movements of people are likely to occur over the rest of the century because global temperatures are likely to rise to by up to 5C because carbon dioxide levels have risen unabated for 50 years,said Stern.'' Thanx again for your important and salutary link, which is I recommend to all readers.

caveat ...


It's sick that humans won't pay any attention until their own homes are gone. In the meantime and before that happens, 1/3, yes one-third, of animal species will be at risk. Remember the food chain? We may be at the top, but if we're at the top of nothing, where are we?


[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Soylent Green - it's peopleeeeeeeeee

[+] -5 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Going out to all the Greedy in the World their supporters and followers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m9Woo6UwoI - without ever knowing - the way.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23462) 8 years ago

Thanks. I've heard that song a lot, but never had any idea what it meant.


And Now?

[-] 4 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 8 years ago

James Hansen, Storms of My Grandchildren, Excerpt CHAPTER 9 AN HONEST, EFFECTIVE PATH 205

We have finally arrived at the main story: what we need to do to solve the climate problem, and how we can save the future for our grandchildren.

The present situation is analogous to that faced by Lincoln with slavery and Churchill with Nazism — the time for compromises and appeasement is over.


[-] 6 points by gnomunny (6819) from St Louis, MO 8 years ago

Excellent link Trevor. I'd never heard of 'fee-and-dividend.' But I like the sounds of it, especially if it's distributed to the citizens rather that a payroll tax reduction, since not everyone is employed, but everyone uses fossil fuels.


That was an intense read, that I did in three chunks !!! However, my memory of chunks #1&2 has faded so I may have to come back to your brain achey link again later :-)For any others readers here, give it a go but get 'aclimatised' (pun intended!) with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWInyaMWBY8 & I end with James Hansen's own words: "we had better start thinking about the Venus syndrome." Ouch !!

caveat ...


Excellent and Very Important Post! Thanks for posting and also for all your and our attention - http://www.nationofchange.org/why-climate-deniers-have-no-scientific-credibility-one-pie-chart-1354370613 & http://www.nationofchange.org/greenhouse-gas-concentrations-reach-new-record-1353509096 . Never Give Up On Our Ecosystem! Keep Occupying The Real Issues! Solidarity.


Great Pie Chart ! Thanx A4C for those great links, which I recommend to everyone as well as the second link, which was somewhat rather alarming !! Keep Occupying The Environmental Issues!!!

pax, amor et lux ...


"Billionaires secretly fund attacks on climate science", by Steve Connor :













© independent.co.uk

Item copied verbatim under 'Fair Use' from link above & thanx for your links.

caveat ...



Also see - http://donorstrust.org/ ; http://www.livescience.com/26618-climate-change-denial-koch-donors-trust.html and also see - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-grandia/new-report-finds-shadowy-_b_2017779.html . This b-s is is of course the very predictable consequence of 'Citizens United' and Americans really need to wake up to the complete Corporate Capture of the US government.

Never Give Up Exposing The Usurpers! Occupy Wall Street! Solidarity.


Re. 'The Donor's Trust', please also see :


So who are these 'free market think tanks' & 'institutes' behind this pseudo-libertarian crusade ?

Many thanx for the very interesting links. Never Give Up ! Go Occupy !!

e tenebris, lux ...


'Climate Of Doubt' is a brilliant documentary exposé of Corporate Shilling and the network of corporate 'think-tanks and associations' who are out to undermine action and awareness on the matter of man made, global warming. I watched this last night with friends and thoroughly recommend it. Also see:




The last link is particularly poignant and revealing of the level of Corporate Control that is insinuating itself into campuses everywhere, in an effort to influence, divert and subvert the future generations.

Never Give Up Resisting The Oligarchs! Occupy The Occupiers! Solidarity.


I would highly recommend PBS' "Climate Of Doubt" to all readers & thanx for these great links. The final article is extremely interesting & I thoroughly recommend it to all forum readers. Resistance Is Fertile !!!

per ardua ad astra ...


'Resistance Is Fertile'! Yes indeed, to - 'Corprocrisy: The Systematic Betrayal of American Workers' - http://www.nationofchange.org/corpocrisy-systematic-betrayal-american-workers-1359988966 from which - 'Free market idealists argue that capitalism works for anyone with a little initiative and a willingness to work hard. That might be true if job opportunities were available to everyone. But the facts reveal a lack of opportunity, largely because the very system of capitalism that's supposed to work for everyone is betraying its most productive members. It's a step-by-step process of hypocrisy disguised as free enterprise'. Never Give Up Resisting! Occupying Is Fertile! Solidarity.


The facts reveal a lack of opportunity, largely because the very system of capitalism that’s supposed to 'work for everyone' is actually betraying its most productive members. Thanx for another excellent article and excerpt, further to which (and still in keeping with this forum-post, I'd like to think), I also append :

fiat lux et fiat justitia ...


'The severe crisis crippling Spain is also sparking some creative responses, such the Okonomía project, a teaching initiative that helps individuals and communities to understand the workings of the economy and make more informed decisions to manage their finances.' Thank you again for another very good & inspiring article and another one in a very similar vein - http://www.nationofchange.org/more-75-percent-americans-delayed-their-retirement-avoid-losing-health-benefits-1360162330 .Never Give Up! Go Occupy!


"More than 3/4 of retired Americans ended up working longer than they initially planned because they didn’t want to lose access to their employer-based health benefits. And a majority of the Americans who are currently in the workforce are also planning to delay their retirement in order to keep the insurance plans they have through their employer". Taken from your linked article and this is a very important matter and particularly pertinent as I just read this article :

which in turn was a follow up to :

From the first link : "The bipartisans in Washington are currently focused on Social Security and Medicare - not to improve health care and retirement, but to cut them. There is constant, exaggerated "sky is falling" deficit commentary about purported out-of-control spending caused by these programs, while the real twin crises of poverty retirement and health insecurity are ignored. Popular solutions to these crises exist that would strengthen Social Security and Medicare and spur economic recovery." I believe that this is an article all engaged Americans of whatever age, should read - even if it is a li'l off topic to the subject matter of this particular forum-post ;-)

multum in parvo ...


'The arguments that we must cut all federal spending have come packaged in the myth that Americans have been spending more than they have to. The truth however is that American means have not been keeping up with the growth of the economy. Wages have only increased 30% where as the economy has almost doubled. This is why most of us need better healthcare, education and stronger safety nets. The only people whose means have soared are at the top.' - from - http://www.nationofchange.org/myth-americans-living-beyond-their-means-1360253410 . Thanks for those killer links and it was worth going off-topic from the subject of your post here. Never Give Up Exposing The Smoke & Mirrors! Go Occupy!


"The Politics of Debt Default - The U.S. Congress : From One Crisis to Another", by Prof Rodrigue Tremblay :

Thanx for your excellent Robert Reich link & back on topic, also consider, Dr. James Hansen at 'TED' :

e tenebris, lux ...


The TED Hansen link is awesome and Thanks for your links. If you like Robert Reich, then you'll like this - http://www.nationofchange.org/economic-challenge-ahead-more-jobs-and-growth-not-deficit-reduction-1360248031 from which -






Never Give Up Showing The Clear Truths! Occupy The Real Issues! Solidarity.

[-] -2 points by 99nproud (2697) 7 years ago

Yes this is more like it.

I will review.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23462) 6 years ago

"The summer of 2015 was the warmest on record in 135 years, federal scientists said on Thursday."


Hey shadz66. Where you at? Where everybody gone on this anniversary of OWS? Everyone banned or what?

[-] 3 points by mayda (285) 6 years ago

''The upward march of the world’s average temperature since 1891 is a trademark of human-influenced global warming with 2014 being the latest stop on the climb. All 10 of the hottest years have come since 1998.'' (Sad Sigh) & as an aside ...

respice, adspice, prospice ...



Caring for the environment is caring for the people. That is why capitalism has to be pushed aside, as it cares for neither.


Re. 'The Commons' - Crapitalism has no idea about that whatsoever !!! Furthermore, try to consider


multum in parvo ...



It's a nice attack on the Clinton's but I'm sure the story doesn't stop there.

Here is a list of HSBC North America's political donations:


Notice they seem unsure of whether to go with the Dems or the Reps. Sort of what jart was saying about corporations. They're not really political in terms of choosing a candidate from a certain party or with a certain viewpoint. They're more about what's best for me, me, me. Who cares about ideology? as long as all the politicians work for me, me,me, the corporation. Pretty sickening. It's time to kick them out of office...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23462) 8 years ago

"Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide surpassed a notable milestone this week.

They reached a daily average above 400 parts per million, reported NOAA, for the first time in human history."



"Passing 400ppm of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is indeed a landmark and the rate of increase is faster than ever and shows no sign of abating due to a lack of political committment to address the urgent issue of climate change - the world is now most likely committed to an increase in surface temperature of 3C-5C compared to pre-industrial times." (Prof. Professor Bob Watson, former IPCC chair and UK government chief scientific adviser) from :

Thanx for your excellent link which I recommend to all interested readers.

fiat lux...


Environmental Emergency!!! Wake up people!!!

"Climate Change To Shrink Animal And Plant Habitats Dramatically, Study Forecasts"


"About 57 percent of plants and 34 percent of animal species were likely to lose more than half the area with a climate suited to them by the 2080s if nothing was done to limit emissions from power plants, factories and vehicles, they wrote in the journal Nature Climate Change."


This is serious stuff. Thank god some young people have decided to forego profit making to study things like conservation biology. Maybe it is not too late to mitigate the damage.

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

And no coverage on MSM to inform the public about this event.


Americans would rather hear the sordid details of the Cleveland case, than how their weather will be changing big time and the earth will never be the same again.


Sad that so many look for any kind of distraction possible to avoid facing reality. Well to bad for them as things are getting so that anywhere/everywhere they look it is looking back at them. It is becoming impossible to ignore that bad shit is happening - and - IT WILL AFFECT THEM!!!

There IS nowhere to run - nowhere to hide.


Here is Monbiot on the matter:

"Climate milestone is a moment of symbolic significance on road of idiocy. The only way forward is back: to retrace our steps and seek to return atmospheric concentrations to around 350ppm."



Thanks - made a nice tweet. But as I agree we need to reduce our CO level I think it would have been better stated - as - we need to move forward and shed pollution tech of the last century in all of it's forms.

Climate milestone is a moment of symbolic significance on road of idiocy | George Monbiot http://gu.com/p/3fmkt/tw via @guardian

Check this one out -




Fleas, bees, ants and wasps - together we are stronger & here's the nature of the 'elephant in the room':

nil desperandum ...

EDIT : CORRECTED LINK (wef 13/5/13) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5GVHqlnPAc .



[-] 4 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

You Rock!!!


Well 'flea', I'm an ant but I think that IF we can hook up with the bees and wasps and enough of us can get our sh*t together - together - at the same time, then we can bite 'the elephant' in strategic places and drive it off. Together We Are Stronger and thanx for your very interesting replies. I'd encourage any of your words re. mulching, composting etc. and I express my gratitude and solidarity to you, with :

pax et lux ...

[-] 5 points by analystwanabe99 (153) 8 years ago

Thanks for the bookmarks, looks like some interesting stuff, cant wait to look at all of them.

[-] 3 points by analystwanabe99 (153) 8 years ago

It just struck me that I might be an ant also. . . . After all I am doing several things to improve our environment and help others to do the same. . . I will post on composting in the very near future.


Hiya fellow ant and I really think that you will be particularly interested in the first section of the following link : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34244.htm and I again recommend the links above, especially http://permaculture.tv/ to you for future reference.

pax ...

[-] 4 points by analystwanabe99 (153) 8 years ago

Yea, I know the argument about junk costing less than good foods but what most folks don't know is that when the body gets good foods with actual nutrition in it not as much is required. If you were able to look up what your body required for vitamins, minerals, and protein and enzymes every day and cost that out in fresh foods I think you would be surprised just how inexpensive it would be. Just for instance if you offered the kid a kiwi and 2 oz of mixed nuts and water instead of a 12 oz can of pop, candy bar, which one do you think costs more? Now which one would stay with the kid longer and provide more nutrition?


You end with good rhetorical questions and your knowledge, expertise and information are very welcome here on these threads.Solidarity to you & I append the following article for your interest and information :

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and 'The Creators Syndicate'. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following [ http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ ].

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 8 years ago

Hey, you could start a Subsidiary for this too!

[-] 1 points by analystwanabe99 (153) 8 years ago

You mean the composting?


Ya, the volunteer work, visiting schools, etc. Makes you kind of a subject matter expert.


Maybe I should give you a little background. My most important driver is health. From that I have pursued the study of food, exercise, and gardening. As an offshoot of gardening because of organic foods I looked into natural bug control and fertilizing and that led me to worms, and composting. That is the chain of subject matter that I have pursued in an effort to maintain my health after retirement. In the process of learning all this stuff I do a lot of researching to prove or disprove certain things I have read. Believe it or not many of the things we read are theories or just plan speculations or embellishments to sell a product. Imagine that!! I have always believed we should learn throughout life. Continuous learning has been my life process. I have a library and now a digital library on different subjects. My wife and I have been married since 1966. I take no medications and have no diseases or limitations. I still climb trees and deer hunt with a bow, skin the deer and prep the meat myself. Im old school and believe in taking personal responsibility for your life and asking for help from your family and friends if you need it. Ive read the bible a couple of times and pay heed to the wisdom of Jesus. WOWWW . . that's a bit much huh? Kind of got on a rant there. Any way that's what Ive been focused on since before my retirement. I watched my father die of a heart attach when he was 44 years old and that started my interest in health.

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 8 years ago

365 comments! DAYYUUMMM!!!

I really do like James Hansen. And dang it I still need to read that book of his I bought last month!


"Can Civilization Survive Capitalism?", by Noam Chomsky :

Thanx for your solidarity TM ~*~

pax et lux ...



The Celcius / Fahrenheit conversion formula is :

  • °C x 9/5 + 32 = °F &

  • (°F - 32) x 5/9 = °C !!

Either way my friend - we're cooking on gas & fiddling furiously like Nero too it feels.

ad iudicium ...


didn't you hear that there's a football player who had a fake twitter girlfriend?

And Beyonce lip syncing?

There's no time to talk about climate change with all this real news happening. Maybe after we discuss Jennifer Aniston's love life there might be time to argue about guns and birth control!


Despite the fluff and froth of fatuous fame and fickle fortune ...

Ironic that Jennifer Aniston was made famous by 'Friends' yet seems to have none ! Such is the 'reality' of style over substance and appearance over actuality, me thinx !! All goes to show, that love and life is much more than haircut and hubris !!!

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 3 points by SingleVoice (158) 8 years ago

I think the focus of climate change is on the wrong cause. The earth's climate will always change by natural cycles, however, it is the deforestation of the rain forests that have caused an imbalance. Vegetation thrives on carbon dioxide and gives off oxygen as it's by-product. Instead of drumming up a carbon tax hoax by hypocrits that will fall on consumers and will do nothing to stop any real causes of imbalance, we should be making noise to do more to stop the deforestation of the rain forests which are the most important element of our eco-system. Some places in Brazil have had success with using the rain forest for good use rather than burning it down for grazing and farmland as they had been doing for a very long time. There are rain forests all over the globe that have been in the process of destruction for many decades. It is only recently that people are being made aware of it and trying to reverse it. This is where focus needs to be. Carbon dioxide is not poison. It is one of the essential components to plant life. The plant life in turn provides us with oxygen to breathe.

We can also work to plant trees wherever possible elsewhere on the globe. In North America we've lost so many trees for decades to suburban sprawl and industrial and commercial complexes. We've gotten better at replacing trees taken down in recent years but there is never enough plant regrowth to compensate for what damage was already done.

Why is no one thinking logically instead of listening to politicians come up with yet another scam to hold power over us, tax us and take more of our liberty. A carbon tax?...give me a break. Meanwhile these bureaucrats screaming for this like Al Gore are flying around in their private jets and living in their huge power sucking mansions doing more so-called damage while asking the rest of us to pay for their hypocrisy. They figure they'll just charge people money and never fix what the real problem is. Maybe get a Nobel prize in the process. Get smart and work with people that are really doing something. And if nothing else, plant a tree.


There is alas, a rather overwhelming international scientific agreement in the actuality of rising temperatures. Even if the US Govt. wishes not to accept or acknowledge the science of major US scientific institutions, such as The Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute ( http://www.whoi.edu/ ) or The Scripps Institute of Oceanography ( http://sio.ucsd.edu/ ) etc., internationally the scientists have known for well over a decade that 'something' is afoot.


Therefore, how can we as a sentient species, consider that we can bypass the Carbon Cycle and extract huge amounts of carbon based fuels, burn them and almost instantly (in geological time) return this carbon to the atmosphere Without There Being Any Repercussions ?! What is our individual and collective intuition on this matter ?!! That Carbon Dioxide even tho' it is essential to life via photo-synthesis, is also a 'Greenhouse Gas' is undeniable. The Greenhouse Effect is well understood and without it life on this planet would not exist. We owe our previously relatively stable climate to this and the level of CO2 has been pretty stable at ~ 300ppm (0.03%) for a very, very long time (verifiable from ice and lake sediment cores). However, that proportion has risen in the last 40 years to ~390ppm (0.039%) which is a 30% increase in CO2 levels.


The atmosphere is but a film above us like cling-film on a water melon. It's easy to assume that we can have no effect on the vastness of the atmosphere but this is not true. As the atmosphere warms, the dynamic and apparently chaotic but actually relatively ordered 'Climate System', has 'more energy' and will operate at a higher energetic level and with a higher 'water carrying' capacity. Thus, 'The Climate' will be seemingly more chaotic to our perception. We are already witnessing weather records being taken to new levels throughout the world and this matter is not really up for debate - unless there is an evil, truly vast international conspiracy of scientists at many levels !

Globally, as a species we can feel and detect that 'something is changing', that something is different now to how things were but we may choose to behave like the proverbial 'frog slowly boiling in a pan of water on a stove' &/or as a 'rabbit caught in a bright light' !!

Sadly, I don't really think that we will stop either our behaviour or its results in the short or even medium terms. It's now a question of adaptation, however consider this : That "The International 'Darksider-Sith' Ruling Elites" [translation : 'Parasites' !] actually do NOT mind countless hundreds of millions of the rest of us perishing if it means more for them and Less Of Us !!!

The above is compounded by 'Militant Pro-Industrialism' as well as by Religious Nutters - who IF they do have belief in 'Biblical End Times' (ie some Jews, Christians and Muslims !!!) do not think human action can possibly affect The Earth's Climate as only 'God' could do that AND when compounded by the ignorant, those in denial and those who know but just don't give a shit ... well, we have quite a recipe for forthcoming perturbations, to say the least !!


Thanx for your comment 'SingleVoice' and here's hoping that together, with a shift up in consciousness - we can be, a 'SV' ~*~

dum spiro, speo ...


The "something that is changing" is the balance between animal and plant life on this planet. The repercussion of carbon returned to the air is to be used by the vegetation on the planet. The destruction of the rain forests over the past many decades is why we have an overabundance of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The rain forests have always been the key element of earth's balance in every regard. The destruction is what has caused all of the imbalance we have been seeing.

The behavior that needs to change is to stop removing the earth's natural carbon dioxide combatant...trees. Methane and carbon dioxide are natural by-products of living organisms. The removal and destruction of the natural filter for those things is vegetation which need carbon dioxide to survive. Vegetation needs carbon dioxide and vegetation's by-product is the oxygen we need to survive. It's so simple yet gov'ts around the world try to make it appear as though carbon dioxide is a poison not a source of life for plants. The rain forests were the balance to it all but now that they have been and are still being destroyed is why we're seeing increased imbalance in the atmosphere. What could be more simple than promoting more planting of trees wherever possible and to put more effort into helping countries trying to stop deforestation of the rain forests where they exist. This is the main cause of climate change.

Even people that believe that human action can't affect the earth's climate can maybe agree with this because it's logical and makes sense and you can argue with them that God put the trees here for this purpose and that man is removing them at an alarming rate for man's purpose and is therefore causing the imbalance.

Focus should be on saving the rain forests and planting many more trees than are removed everywhere, everyday on the planet not on using gov't power to scam people out of money for "carbon credits". What does that do? Absolutely nothing but line the pockets of regulators and gov'ts and give them more control over our lives. These same people calling for carbon taxes are hypocrites and keep perpetuating lies to gain power and control over people while they themselves don't live what they preach.

Most important, by replacing what's been removed in the way of trees, we can overcome the effects. It's not hopeless and can be attained in a relatively short period of time as long as more people on the earth realize that this IS the solution. We need to make this the fight not the bullshit we're being fed by global gov'ts including our own.

[-] 4 points by bullfrogma (448) 8 years ago

I've heard that bamboo produces a lot of oxygen and grows very fast. It's also pretty useful for many things. I always thought if things got so bad that bamboo could be a sort of fast acting relief.


Thanks for the good info. No need to wait. Keep planting now.

I have bamboo growing all over my backyard. The one thing about bamboo, it keeps reproducing very fast throughout the whole growing season. It spreads like a weed but produces a beautiful tall screen. Every plant will grow and produce oxygen which will use carbon dioxide and help to re-balance the atmosphere. The more we plant, the more we help. Also, any one that can help the groups working against the deforestation of the rain forests whether financially or with their time will also make a difference.



Industrialization, change of land usage, filling in of wet lands, paving, agribus farming, massive population increase.... are why we have an imbalance. While the rain forests are an important sink for CO2 and should be preserved, the oceans are a far greater sink for fixing CO2.

While I admire your passion, lets not be myopic.

[-] 2 points by imagine40 (383) 8 years ago

Germany CO2 emissions up only 1.6%. Ifthey can do itwe can do it.


We need "manhattan project" like effort to manufacture millions of wind turbines and upgrades to electric infrastructure.

[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

All the taxes they are getting ready to levy for this problem are going to fall right on the middle class, just like they always do. Either directly or just passed down.


We'll have to see past, through & around mere 'money' - if we are to see and embrace our future. The 'Market' is The Problem and the constant pursuit of merely short term profit, is now an impediment to human progress and environmental sustainability. It does not have to be so. Money is Not any law of nature like say gravity and the tides ; it is a creation of our culture.

ad iudicium ...


What happened to Shadz66?


Peace & justice, we are united?



[-] 2 points by TikiJ (-38) 8 years ago

He's already approved the fracking and the Keystone.



Someone who was against the aforementioned would declare it so. Wouldnt sign these things.

People need to stop being fooled and start developing their own people to lead.


"The democratization of the energy sector is not only seen as a goal in itself, but also as a means to achieve an ecologically viable relation to the environment. The proposed law therefore also bans any new investments in nuclear and coal-fired plants. Instead, investments will be put into decentralized renewable energy production as well as public energy saving programs. To secure socially just provision of energy, the company is not allowed to cut anyone off from the grid under any circumstances."

"Such referendum initiatives are a great way for Berlin’s social movements to work together and make progress on a single issue. Crucially, local legislation for referenda is relatively favorable. Berlin state law forces a general vote if any organization hands in 200.000 valid signatures in a city of 3.5 million inhabitants. Gathering such numbers of signatures is a lot of work, but the effort for the referendum on water privatization has proved those targets can be met by a committed coalition of activists and organizations working together."

The above is taken from your strong link, further to which - in keeping with this thread, I also append :

omnia causa fiunt ...

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 8 years ago

Depressing reality in that article. but I'm not surprised. Didn't see the revised estimate of all arctic Ice being gone by 2020, but there it is.

Probably be sooner.



Depressing ? Yes, maybe but here's a wee insight into what is possible :

per aspera ...


Wow. Not that is a bit encouraging. I KNOW the many protests/marches I've been to in NY have delayed the fracking decision, The documentaries have informed/outraged many. The many petitions DO make a difference.

And this article shows the industry is reacting.

We gotta ratchet up the effort.



The fact that The Corporations are fearful of "Highly Effective Campaigns" is very cool and a real source of some hope for the rest of us. Thanx dude for your kind concern. Real life and time constraints have taken precedence lately but I'm still reading and linking when I can. In solidarity, here's one for you :

"The planet Earth is not created or built by the Nation States claiming membership at the UN. The comprehensive system of splendid and encompassed Universe and its resources on the planet Earth are God-given gift to mankind, and its violation and exploitation will be checked by God as it happened to many in the past only to be found as artifacts in museums and history books. History offers a learning role but nations and people denying the role of history ultimately cannot escape the wrath of history. Winning the wars was not part of the American aims and strategies but killing and destabilizing the poor nation was, and it has achieved that aim. All actions have reactions. The consequences are yet to come."

pax et lux ; nunc et semper ...

[-] 2 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 8 years ago

This may not seem related right off the bat, but it is. Maybe a silly question, but have you seen this (the video)? http://occupywallst.org/forum/you-cant-miss-this-not-conglomerate-related/


[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

Australia has a tax on CO2. Despite a lot of scare-mongering on the part of the opposition politicians, not a lot has changed, though I do see the price of generating electricity rising, which will be passed on to the consumer.


[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

It should be obvious, by now.

They don't work for "us". They are on the payroll of the corporate lobbyists. They are also allowed to play insider trader on the stock exchange.

Criminality has been legalised in the US of A.

[-] 1 points by DSamms (-294) 8 years ago

Well said...


Now you go to far. If I have to get an attorney involved Im done. I just wanted to make a suggestion that I was hoping someone would run with and I would get a reduced electric bill out of. Come on . . where are the activists? Someone run with this ball!!! I need my electric bill reduced or at least a new more efficient air conditioner. . . .

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23462) 8 months ago

Electric cars are now the majority of cars sold in Norway. Extraordinary accomplishment and proof that if other countries have the will, they can do the same thing to bring an end to fossil fuel dependence. This would not only help the environment but would end senseless wars.



Trump delivers final blow to environment as his administration changes "how it considers evidence of harm from pollutants in a way that opponents say could cripple future public-health regulation."

This is a maddening little article to read:

“This really seems to be an attempt by Wheeler to permanently let major polluters trample on public health,” said Benjamin Levitan, a senior attorney with the Environmental Defense Fund advocacy group. “It ties the hands of future administrations in how they can protect the public health.”

The change could limit not only future public health protections, but “force the agency to revoke decades of clean air protections”, Chris Zarba, former head of the EPA’s science advisory board, said in a statement.

Wheeler, in his Wall Street Journal piece, said the new limits would not compel the release of any personal data or “categorically” exclude any scientific work. The EPA has been one of the most active agencies in carrying out Donald Trump’s mandate to roll back regulations that conservative groups have identified as being unnecessary and burdensome to industry."


Contrast that to what Norway is doing. Nothing for Americans to be proud of, but full on shame!


We need to enact a law to have the tax returns of all of our high-level elected officials be published for transparency ( it will reduce cracking to unearth conflicts of interests.)


Norway has much renewable water-power resource to generate the electricity needed to power its electric vehicle fleet. Every Norwegian is on the average a millionaire in Norway's currency so the still higher prices of electric vehicles are more affordable to the Norwegians. It doesn't work for many other countries in the world which are not rich countries. The U.S. is the wealthiest country in the world figured on a net worth basis but it is in fact the most indebted country. I do understand that having a humongous credit-card balance isn't anything to be proud of except for the creditworthiness it does show. I was a bit shaken when the U.S. dollar depreciated rather quickly on FOREX market shortly after the trillions of dollars worth of the first coronavirus stimulus bill had been passed but it turned out to be just a rotation of the holders of dollars. Some people wanted desperately to get out of owning U.S. dollars but other people rushed in after a delay. Overall it was just a flashed warning so the U.S. creditworthiness was definitely intact. I watch the purchasing power of the U.S. dollar because great currency depreciation has always been the path to hell on Earth in modern currency-mediated economies ( akin to bloodflow-mediated human bodies subject to great shrinkage of the life value conveyed by the bloodflow.)

With an added-on premium, using electric vehicles shifts the sources of environmental damage and pollution away from the vehicles to other sources which may still be fossil fuel dependent in extremely deleterious ways. A prime example is Redfuckgina using the dirtiest and environmentally damaging modern fossil fuel ( there were worse really terribly polluting fossil fuels used there before such as 煤球 literally "coal balls," i.e. coal-dust briquettes ) to generate the electricity to move its fast-growing electric vehicle fleet. Electrification in Redfuckgina is good for cleaning up the air in electric-vehicle-usage areas ( often in wealthy cities ) and move the environmental damage and pollution plus an added-on premium ( on the order of 10% ) to electric power plants ( often in poorer countryside.)

Norway is a wealthy-from-selling-fossil-fuel small country relative to the U.S. so stringing electricity transmission lines and wasting electricity on them cost less due to shorter spanning distances. If the U.S. can generate clean electricity en route for the electric vehicles, it will make a better sense to go electric.

We must figure life-cycle costs and benefits before deciding on our major energy developments. Electrification shifts pollution. It always increases total pollution ( except for the reduction of pollution gained from the higher thermal efficiency of centralized large-scale and pollution-scrubbing-equipped electricity generation.)

Batteries of the power level catering to the power luxury muscle car market adapted to less powerful cars contain lithium which is a toxic metal but it's used as a drug in small doses for treating mania and depression. It's generally a bad idea to eat or drink large unintended quantities of anything used as a powerful drug. There isn't much lithium available to be mined but that should improve the recycling rate of used lithium batteries so the toxic leakage into the environment may be small. A much more suitable metal for less powerful cars is magnesium because it's widely available and chemically more benign than lithium. There is enough magnesium but not lithium around to provide for an electric car for everyone.

I think that in this lithium/magnesium dichotomy, we are at a crossroad similar to the uranium/thorium one with regard to civilian electricity generation. Uranium dominates because we were fighting the Cold War so we went wholehoggedly for uranium/plutonium for making nuclear weapons. It's the source of our nuclear weapons proliferation by providing civilian cover for clandestine nuclear weapon development programs, and highly radioactive wastes' long-term safe-storage problem ( cf. Fukushima and Chernobyl nuclear catastrophes -- Japan will likely have to dump much radioactive groundwater into the ocean soon; dilution will probably disappear the financial liability from poisoning the Earth -- polluters' maxim is "the [money-savvy] solution to pollution is dilution.")

Ur-ani-um is for "going up your as ancient as the massive stars' cataclysmic deaths or a Mesopotamian city's, anus.. um." Thor-ium is for generating electricity as Thor is the Norse god of the thunderbolts. Pluto-nium is for the rich folks who can afford to have the highly radioactive and toxic metal placed in their pockets to burn holes there to leak their money out for a long long time. Magn-esium is for powering the electric cars which run on wheels rotated by magnetism. Lith-ium is for stoning manic/depressives mentally to become less extreme emotionally. Usages are shown right there in the names ( Also sprach Zarathustra.)

[-] 1 points by gsw (3365) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 2 years ago

If you don’t like climate change, good luck going against 1 billion keep us hot....


is that it’s not just an election force. It’s—this club has become a force of obstruction against governing, so that when Obama proposes the healthcare plan, this group funnels money to many, many different front groups that then, unseen to the American public, pop up and oppose the healthcare plan and disrupt meetings. I don’t know if people remember those town hall meetings during, I think it was, the summer of 2010, when there was just kind of pandemonium breaking out. And a lot of that were—there were actually sort of plans laid among this group to pour money in, get people all riled up and make them think that this was going to have death squads, things like that, that were—that got people very upset.



''Nazi oil, the Koch brothers & a rightwing revolution! 'Dark Money;' A Review'', by Charles Kaiser:

''New Yorker writer Jane Mayer examines the origins, rise and dominance of a billionaire class to whom money is no object when it comes to buying power.'' Also fyi ...

momento mori ...


''In Bolsonaro’s burning Brazilian Amazon, all our futures are being consumed'', by Eliane Brum:

NB: ''The rainforest might seem a remote place, but it is the heart of the planet ... and it is under attack as never before''!

caveat ...


Just 10% of fossil fuel subsidy cash 'could pay for green transition' Redirecting small portion of subsidies would unleash clean energy revolution, says report



Climate Change: We have 12 years to deal with it.

Think, we won't need to worry about the Supreme Court if we're NOT HERE. The environment is our number 1 problem.


"Urgent changes needed to cut risk of extreme heat, drought, floods and poverty, says IPCC"


We've been talking about Global Warming here on this forum for many years, hence the size of this thread!

Trump's EPA is doing the reverse of what is needed at this time. Shameful. 12 years is nothing. We're almost out of time.


Please see ''Climate Of Doubt'' doc. film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyPeceraS7o from ...


Thanx again for strong excerpts & link. AGW is THE issue of our times but tRUMP is a denier! Sad.

fiat lux ...


Scientists alarmed at Arctic warming, February 2018.

"Arctic warming: scientists alarmed by 'crazy' temperature rises"

"Record warmth in the Arctic this month could yet prove to be a freak occurrence, but experts warn the warming event is unprecedented."






Displacement - warming in one place, cooling in another. Scary.


''The Arctic Is Melting Down as the Antarctic Food Chain Is Breaking'', by Dahr Jamail:

I recommend your link: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/feb/27/arctic-warming-scientists-alarmed-by-crazy-temperature-rises to any and all readers here too.A quickening to a reckoning is afoot!

respice, adspice, prospice ...


Arctic Sea Ice Second Lowest on Record, March 23, 2018


We should keep track of this on this thread.

"The key, of course, is that all these ice declines are having immeasurable impact on the globe—increasing heat and moisture in the atmosphere, changing mixing and circulation of the Arctic ocean, affecting what and where things live, even altering the global climate system. And these shifts will only get worse until and unless humans dramatically scale back carbon dioxide emissions from the burning of coal, oil, and gas.

"The changes are just going to get more severe," Petty says."


''Thanks to Climate Disruption, Earth Is Already Losing Critical Biosphere Components'', by Dahr Jamal:

tempora mutantur et nos mutamur in illis ...


"Greenland’s ice is melting much faster than we thought. Here’s why that’s scary."

"Greenland’s ice could raise seas by 20 feet."


Holy sh-t. 20 feet is a lot!


''As Glacier-Fed Rivers Disappear, One-Sixth of Global Population Is at Risk'', by Dahr Jamail:

From Your Link:

''Beyond rising seas, the increase in freshwater running into the ocean can slow down the Atlantic Conveyor, a massive pattern of currents in the Atlantic Ocean. “That can have global implications for climate,” Osterberg said.

''The findings align with other, aforementioned observations about the Arctic: that the sea ice is melting at its fastest rate in 1,500 years and the alarmingly warm winter in the Arctic, replete with a heat wave in February.

''And almost everywhere scientists look in the cryosphere, they find it rapidly dribbling away. In another recent paper, Osterberg reported that the glaciers in Alaska’s Denali National Park are melting at their fastest rate in 400 years. Summer temperatures are now melting 60 times more snow on Mt. Hunter than they did 150 years ago.

''All this goes to show that the world is changing, often faster than we realized, and we still don’t fully know what’s still to come.''



Antarctic ice melting faster than ever, studies show

"Rate of melt has accelerated threefold in last five years and could contribute 25cm to sea-level rises without urgent action"


[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 3 years ago

Let us bow our heads to send our thoughts and prayers to Antarctic ice.

The earth hears His voice and it teaches us ( how feedback can make nonlinearity emerge from the linearity at the fundamental level--the sailors in the video are getting the Earth moving with full-steam ahead because Einstein's special theory of relativity of 1905 says that motion is relative so they were steaming the onshore furnace away from their ship maximizing its cargo space for profits as San Francisco's cable cars do for the city terrain's necessity although Galileo had supposedly muttered, "And yet it moves.") We need that poison-ivy geo duck degree. Amen.

Mendelian evolution triumphed over Lamarckian environmental-imprinting evolution and yet we later discovered that the environment imprinted on the genes themselves through horizontal gene transfers and the epigenome. The accrued righteousness and, unless atoned for, the sins of the fathers shall visit upon the children and the children's children--for "I AM who I AM, the jealous God."

In human endeavors such as science or Trumpian tweety devolution: ex falso quodlibet

Toad's wart is, "a total fuckup."


Re. Greta Thurnberg: ''Right To Their Faces, 16-Year-Old Greta Thunberg Tells Davos Elite Climate Crisis Their Fault ... "Some people, some companies, some decision-makers in particular have known exactly what priceless values they have been sacrificing to make unimaginable amounts of money, and I think many of you here today belong to that group of people."

spero meliora ...


Tho' now "They see us as a threat because we’re having an impact'' ...


respice; adspice; prospice ...


Florida's cities are building to fight rising seas. Small towns may struggle to defend themselves.


This crisis hasn't even begun to really show itself yet.


Yes, ''This crisis hasn't even begun to really show itself yet'' & ''It’s not just the Trump administration that’s fueling denial. It was also revealed how the DNC Chair, Tom Perez introduced a resolution ( https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/08/tom-perez-introduced-a-resolution-that-could-kill-a-climate-debate/ ) in an attempt to kill climate debate among the Democratic presidential candidates.

''Nevertheless, reality has a way of not going away, despite human efforts at denial.

''A recent report { https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/31/climate-crisis-already-causing-deaths-and-childhood-stunting-report-reveals } .. showed that the climate crisis is already well along in causing childhood deaths and the stunting of growth in Australia and across the Pacific. Other impacts on kids include lowered cognitive capacity and higher susceptibility to the spread of diseases.'' - from...

et caveat!

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23462) 2 years ago

Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years earlier than expected! Holy sh-t! That is scary!

“Thawing permafrost is one of the tipping points for climate breakdown and it’s happening before our very eyes,” said Jennifer Morgan, Executive Director of Greenpeace International. “This premature thawing is another clear signal that we must decarbonize our economies, and immediately.”



''May 2018 Broke Thousands of Temperature Records Across the US'', by Dhar Jamail:


caveat ...


50 Environmental Defenders Killed in 2018 so far.


Wow. That is so sad. Thanks to the Guardian for keeping track of such important information. Shame on humanity.


''The Limits of Green Energy Under Capitalism'', by David Klein:



Ireland divests from fossil fuels.

Yes, Ireland becomes world's first country to divest from fossil fuels. If they can do it, all countries can do it.




''Study: U.S. Fossil Fuel Subsidies Exceed Pentagon Spending'', by Tim Dickinson:

''The world would be richer and healthier if the full costs of fossil fuels were paid, according to a new report from the International Monetary Fund.'' Crapitalism's "Externalities" are catching up on us fast!

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas!


Spending on Fossil Fuels = 649 BILLION


It was unimaginable to me that the U.S. could possibly spend more than we spend on defense on ANYTHING, but the fact that it is something equally deleterious (fossil fuels) makes some sense and I can wrap my head around that but my god, are we ever going to learn!?!


''Pope Francis declares 'climate emergency' and urges action!'' by Lisa Song:



Kids fighting for the future of the planet, worldwide, and following in the footsteps of Greta Thunberg.




I wonder whether the figure of $649 billions in 2015 overlaps with the Pentagon spending in that same year of $599 billions.

A chunk of the Pentagon spending is for indirect subsidies to other countries, friends and foes alike, to assure them secured access to oil and (liquefied) natural gas. The figure for the direct and indirect subsidies to fossil fuels by the U.S. was probably even higher than the $649 billions because the U.S. Navy was protecting shipping lanes near the Persian Gulf.

There's a very good reason for Periplaneta americana to be almost everywhere where shipping lanes are. When I was a preschooler, Mom told me that if I saw them scurrying out of the cupboard in which we kept our leftover food, it was a sign that we were well off! We didn't have a refrigerator to put our leftover food into because we didn't have electricity. Mom wasn't lying...

It was tough to transmit that viewpoint to a future spouse though who screamed aloud when scores of Periplaneta germanica scurried out of an apartment's kitchen drawer upon her opening it (we were "well off" as Mom had presaged.) She pulled out the entire drawer and dropped it with all the things in it (including 》die Fallschirmjäger !《) onto the kitchen floor. I wonder whether she had any Jewish heritage or not that might have caused her phobia of the suspected "Nazis." In a college dormitory room, I stomped them with aplomb. If she had grown up with my upbringing, she would have appreciated the barehand squashability and barefoot stompability difference between Periplaneta americana and Periplaneta germanica (which wasn't the species that had scared me to drop the Johnny-Walker-Black-Label bottle holding the cooled boiled drinking water and destroy our porcelain kitchen sink a few weeks before we gave or threw away almost everything to take the intercontinental flights to Japan, Alaska {I thought to myself, "Where are the Americans?" I saw only a ¿Russian Tupolev-160 bomber-sandwich-delivery? man snoozing on a bench in the entire airport but thousands upon thousands of mosquitoes perching on the plate-glass windows of the airport trying to warm up and walking ¿vodka-?drunkenly to stay in the weak subarctic sunlight for the blood-sucking Operation Arctic Vampires} and finally New York. I get it now why Pompeo would be pooping in his pants -- he was emptying out his innards in his own lactose-intolerant Operation Rolling Thunder to prepare for devouring the sumptuous beef-stroganoff bomber sandwitch express-delivered from Russia with Love.)

Periplaneta americana kept the world economy afloat. At the ends of the shipping lanes are areas of prosperity. For example, on a per-capita GDP basis, which is the most prosperous province of Red China? Zhejiang. Where is its biggest-in-the-world container shipping port? In the eastern-most part of Zhejiang? Why eastern-most? It's the closest deepwater port to the U.S.A. by sea. Major shipping lanes start there. Looking at the other end, Seattle-Tacoma region of Washington state is where they connect to. Some of the biggest U.S. businesses, Walmart, Amazon, etc. all have major business concentration there.

Seaports are where prosperity tends to be located. Periplaneta americana assure that they stay connected in peacetime and cut off in wartime to the enemies of America (they already signalled.) There is only one global superpower: the U.S.A. Our current international power situation is akin to that between the British Empire and Germany shortly before the Great War. The U.S. is analogous to the British Empire, with global reach, while Red China is a newly developed power seeking its own colonies overseas (and overland "One Belt One Road") analogous to Germany doing the same.

Robert Mueller made his first public statement regarding the Trump-Russia investigation (11:00 a.m. Eastern Daylight-saving Time of Washington D.C.) He essentially said that it's not in his capacity to indict a sitting president because the investigation is under the policy restraint of the Department of Justice. Indicting a sitting president is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Keep on sitting then. It's easy to avoid being charged -- don't stand up. Trumpanzees won't understand what Robert Mueller has said with his contrapositive form of the statement regarding our President's commission of crimes. Logic is neither taught to nor learnt by everyone. Trump isn't a war hero yet but our troops salute him because she the trans-parent heroine, not he, came from Dixon. Bone spurs are great for kicking at the belly of the pregnant war mare.

To Augustus Caesar: DOJ, SCOTUS, and US Senate have all laid down the royal red carpet to welcome your reign! Never forget that somebody commands the battle tanks to storm Congress with. As for Whitehouse occupation -- the Moscow time for that is still indefinite. Softer measures can work instead of cannonballs as what had been done in Moscow. "Apple" "arm" and "apples" "arrows" were taught to me from my two kindergarten English alphabet-vocabulary books. Twisting an arm of the Rigger-in-Chief can move a lever in Congress (the "most powerful" branch of the U.S. Government can be checkmated.)

Red China's companies which want to sell its products here must partner with U.S. companies with U.S. persons holding the controlling shares comprising at least 51% of the outstanding votable shares. It's required for Red China to disclose and publish the chemical processes for extracting at volume the so-called "rare"-earth elements. Capture Red Chinese students studying at U.S. Schools of Mines for interrogations and leverage. That will surely reduce the number of foreign students in U.S. colleges and universities taking home U.S.-government-funded research results. Note that the U.S. can create an "artificial-atom" project to circumvent Red China's potential "rare"-earth-element embargo. By properly controlling the voltage distribution with nanotechnology, Schrödinger's Equation can be used for computing the resulting electronic wavefunctions, and thereby the chemical properties of the "artificial atom" formed from the voltage distribution. The intensities of the electric fields will probably be less than those of the real atoms but chemically they will be similar. All atoms are made of the same particles and most material properties derive from the electronic configurations surrounding the atomic nuclei which can nearly be treated as point particles.

The U.S. is as credible as it has ever been to everyone, especially Red China, which had built artificial islands (immobile missiles and aircraft carriers) in the Western American Lake to rescue many drowning American sailors who had drunk too much auto-warm beer. Thanks!

Most if not all other countries' aircraft carriers have a ramp for the aircraft engines to provide a part of the kinetic energy needed for a launch. Only the U.S. uses the steam-powered catapult launch system on our supercarriers essentially substituting the carrier's nuclear power for aircraft fuel. Our aircraft thus get a higher energy endowment at the takeoff than other countries' similar aircraft. They can therefore stay flying in the air longer. Note that the steam expended on a launch contains energy lost and makes the aircraft carrier more easily detectable. It can become a vulnerability to a highly capable enemy. An aircraft carrier without its many escorts (especially the AEGIS-protected ones and the submarine hunters; Red China intends to attack a U.S. carrier strike group from below and with perhaps stationed/moved-to-far-inland medium-range "carrier-hunter" missiles from the air; they are why the Red Chinese P.L.A. is so cocky near the Spratly Islands) in its battlegroup is vulnerable but it can serve Red China's purpose of intimidating its lesser capable rivals. This is why other countries tend to own and operate only one aircraft carrier (they aren't trying to dominate the world's oceans as much as the U.S. is, with about a dozen battlegroups prowling the high seas at any one time; of course, some of them has the U.S. as their ally so our aircraft carrier battlegroups can join them if need be.) An aircraft carrier battlegroup takes a lot of money to operate and maintain. Only the U.S. actually intends to fight real wars with its aircraft carrier battlegroups all by themselves (of course, in many-months-long sustained military engagements, another carrier battlegroup, maybe even with one drawn from the carrier reserve, can take over the fighting or resupplying.) An electromagnetically powered launch system avoid these negative factors by being more efficient and less detectable and is therefore highly desirable for our next generation of aircraft carriers. Of course, the long-term cost savings from less wear-and-tear on the aircraft landing gears and lost aircraft due to mislaunches are probably the most important considerations. Besides, the mass of the aircraft can be higher to accommodate those aircraft with more onboard equipment, such as integrated battlefield management or electronic counter-measure equipment. When we are "up there, we've got to push it (the envelope.)" Being on top means matching or beating any and all nemeses, on their past performance records at least. Never surrender without having a fight first.

During the iridescent-slipper incident in which I fought him hard, my Big Brother "won" alright (as I returned the slipper to the girl next-door.) He got a spanking, and a ceasefire agreement forced upon him by Mom, Hahaha!


"Capitalism requires perpetual economic growth in order to avoid economic crises such as the Great Depression. More specifically, in order to stave off mass unemployment and economic misery, capitalism requires increasing commodity production, escalating resource extraction, increasing trash and toxic dumping, and ever increasing energy production. Capitalism, by its very nature, must expand unendingly and it has already surpassed the limits of sustainable growth in the sense that global consumption now exceeds the planet’s bio-capacity to regenerate the resources consumed. According to the World Wildlife Fund, 1.6 Earths would be required to meet the demands humanity makes on nature each year. Capitalism is not only incapable of responding adequately to the environmental crisis, it is the very cause of the crisis and can only make matters worse."

Interesting article. So long as we have a capitalist world economic system we will will have pollution and environmental degradation.

"It is not enough just to oppose capitalism. We also need to create something better: An alternative system of human relations along the lines of eco-socialism is not only desirable, it is imperative. Included in such a vision are free health care, free education, free mass transportation, and since most jobs under capitalism are pointless or destructive, we need a drastically reduced workweek."

From "The Limits of Green Energy Under Capitalism by David Klein



''We have 12 years to limit climate change catastrophe, warns UN'' .. by Jonathan Watts:

''Urgent changes needed to cut risk of extreme heat, drought, floods and poverty, says IPCC.''

Many thanks bw, for your excellent excerpts from the David Klein article above, and also FYI:

respice; adspice; prospice!


The kids take on Climate Change. School marches bring out millions all over the world. Now it's up to the adults of the world to pay attention and take action. It is our beloved children who will suffer the most, after all.



G*d bless Greta Thurnberg and her cohort of active young people &

fiat justitia ruat caelum ...


Greta Thunberg tells Davos, speaks truth to power right to their faces, of the coming climate crisis.



Only rebellion will prevent ecological apocalypse says George Monbiot.







Extinction Rebellion show the way for future actions & protests across The Good Earth - our beautiful but fragile Only Hommmmmmme! Without actions and protests like these ... The 99%'s voices are mute.

fiat lux; fiat justitia; fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 3 years ago

I worry a lot more about what's happening around Antarctica, due to the sheer difference in scale between Antarctica's and Greenland's ice/water influence. The Global Climate Machine over there is unwinding for THE "Change You Can Believe In." As the greatest waterfall on planet Earth that churns nutrients to feed phytoplanktons grinds to a halt, there'll be far more than sushi that will disappear!

Carbon dioxide being buried in the deep ocean by the waterfall will stop going there kicking off a warming and ocean-surface-acidifying positive feedback loop. The warm water staying near the surface blocking the colder but less salty water from sinking will collapse Antarctica's iceshelves and undercut the glaciers feeding the iceshelves. The melting of the iceshelves will unblock the glaciers and accelerate the glacial flows towards the ocean. West Antarctic Icesheet must collapse as in "all systems go!" These are all positive feedback loops but very negative for human stability.

Atmospheric oxygen comes from the phytoplantons' photosynthesis. Zooplanktons and fishes feed on the phytoplanktons. Carbon dioxide is absorbed by their photosynthesis, stopping its greenhouse-warming effect. Snow and ice reflect sunlight reducing warming. Melted glaciers and icesheet increase the efficiency of absorbing sunlight causing warming. It seems that the Earth may be changing into a tightly closed fermentation vat. The arctic tundra can chime in with the methane bomb triggered by accelerated warming, too.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

I remember when Nader and the Greens were running around saying there was no difference between Al Gore and W Bush, if only they hadn't done that things could be so different.


In a true democracy people get to vote for what they believe in. They are not just given a binary choice of two, which is more like a gun to the head if you don't like either of those two choices.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

people always have choices you can choose to stand on the sidelines or vote for a lost cause and let people like trump win or you can try to stop him. People who refuse to step up and make a choice to stop people like Trump are as bad or even worse in many ways than those that actively support him.

[-] 2 points by agkaiser (2501) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 years ago

people always have choices

WTFU! We live in an oligarchy! It's owned by Wall St. Billionaires. We pretend we have choices in meaningful free democratic elections. And let's not forget that "Citizens United" opened the door to foreign money buying in to Amerikan "Democracy." So the conservative Supreme Court is complicit and in collusion with Russia's, China's et al's conquest of our nation.


you chose to sit on your ass and let the GOP win....


Scary Shit = The PBS News Hour on 4/19/2018 - said that the trade deficit is good for the USA and that includes foreign countries like CHINA owning our debt! http://www.pbs.org/video/the-argument-for-a-u-s-trade-deficit-with-china-1524181803/

Now call me stupid - but that point of view is just insane! Is it Not?

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2501) from Fredericksburg, TX 3 years ago

that point of view is just insane! Is it Not?

It's trade, not the deficit that fucks us first. With a deficit they have our increasingly worthless money but we have the real goods. We can abrogate the debt at any time. However our brain dead politicians and population will honor debt, though we [who are about to die] starve to death. Given that reality I agree that trade, which exports goods raising domestic prices, and the deficit are insane.


It's trade, not the deficit that fucks us first.

That is part of what I was referring to as the insanity of PBS's little segment. USA manufactured goods sitting on shelves creates a manufacturing glut = Employee lay-offs and no new hiring and business's moving off-shore (out of country).


Trade deficit hits us earlier than our national budget deficit because of the potential job losses in the trade deficit case and the U.S. supreme military power in the budget deficit case.

In economic boom years, running trade deficits often happen due to the greater demand than can be satisfied domestically, sucking in foreign products in addition to the domestic products. It can be good or bad. It's good to satisfy the need. It's bad if the demand was produced by a fiscal stimulus intended to revive the domestic economy. Understand everything in context. Allow nothing in excess and everything in moderation. Wisdom is to discern where the boundary is.

The U.S. military supremacy supports the Carter Doctrine protecting the oilfields of the Middle East. Our military alliance with Saudi Arabia requiring the U.S. dollar for purchasing its oil gives instantaneous value to any newly printed U.S. dollar. Last I checked, the U.S. still leads every other country in military spending by extremely wide margins (the U.S. spends 30-40% and the remaining around 200 countries of the World 70-60% of the total world military expenditure) and presumably it contributes to the military supremacy. Yeah, the U.S. dollar is rather secure as the world reserve currency unless Saudi Arabia defects or is conquered. There are so many U.S. dollars in the World already that even our national budget deficit pales in comparison, its being just a drop in the bucket. To a first approximation, our budget deficit doesn't matter. However, Saudi Arabia must eventually run out of oil. Its hostile neighbors may overrun it. Both can end the petrodollar. The U.S. does have vital interests at stake in the tumultuous and murderous Middle East. It's foolhardy to attack the oilfields associated with the U.S. Did the Russians read the Carter Doctrine? Apparently not.

Rescinding debts requires a military force strong enough to back it up. Rescinding unpayable debts was what had led to the major wars in the last century. There's NO supreme world government enforcing global bankruptcy laws. Donald Trump can declare bankruptcies many times in business and got away with them because he lives in the U.S.A. under the protection of the U.S. Military. Adolf Hitler rescinding war debts helped triggered World War II. In principle, the U.S. should have no problem at all paying its U.S.-dollar-denominated debts because it can just print however much is owed to pay them. In practice, there's a problem with the U.S. Congress balking at raising the debt ceiling because the U.S. had been hoodwinked to use a privately owned currency due to the revenue compromise made for passing the Prohibition. The Prohibition ended but the national-bank-owned currency drawing interest lives on. These banks collect a percentage of the U.S. currency borrowed by the U.S.

Hence, the U.S. military supremacy underpins the servicing of both the trade deficit and the budget deficit. This is why I support the U.S. Military. The smooth functioning of the U.S. economy (and much of the global economy, too) depends on it.


ex nihilo nihil fit

I don't subscribe to the conventional economic wisdom. Since humanity devolved from the egalitarian community based economy of hunting and gathering, our economy has become increasingly diseased by an elite class of parasites. They are today, more than ever, threatening the life of the host economy and the human race with their stupidity and greed.

The ever more harmful concentration of [real] wealth created by the workers in the community in the hands of the ruling elite parasites is the result of the perpetual motion of money that is as impossible to sustain as a thermodynamic machine that creates energy from nothingness. As long as the few, who benefit from the work of the many, take without giving anything but words [usually threats and extortionist demands] in return and property rights are more important than human rights, we will continue to deteriorate towards ultimate extinction.



Bernie would have beaten Trump, all the polls said so.

Except you status quo loving "liberals" just wouldn't have it. Gosh no. No healthcare for all, no free education, no living wage because people like you only care about yourselves.

You don't care at all about those rotting away in the prison industrial complex for minor crimes and misdemeanors or those living on food stamps who work full time, those without healthcare, students mired in debt. You look only at your own situation and care only for that. You cheer for the military industrial complex and ongoing inequality because it benefits YOU.

Get some guts and stand up for something beyond yourself or just go away already.


I supported Bernie and you would know that if you weren't stupid, what I care about is what happens, it matters when the GOP wins, people like you that elect the GOP are responsible for what they do, in 2000 we had a chance to elect someone that would have addressed climate change but idiots like you chose to let W Bush win instead will you never learn? how much pain must there be before you do?


I have never voted for a GOP candidate ever in my life, so not sure what you're on about.

Do you believe in democracy? In voting for the candidate you think is best? No, you don't, you want to bully people into voting for candidates they don't like by promoting a binary choice.

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe, I get more choice choosing my little piggies.


It's scary alright but most people's criterion for concern is whether it affects them. Most will probably say, "so what if the Arctic ice melts away -- I don't live there!"

The nature of how the latent heat needed to melt snow and ice works is that as long as there is water in equilibrium with them, the snow/ice/water mixture stays at 0 C. Not much temperature effect comes out from that but once the snow and ice is all gone there's NO stopping the water temperature from rising as the sun heats it up. Water can absorb much more heat energy than either snow or ice before its temperature rises for the same amount so the great refrigerators in the Arctic/Greenland and Antarctic will melt rapidly to moderate the rise of the global temperature average until they are snow- and ice-free.

Then we'll start to be fried inland but with villages, cities, and ports, flooded on the coasts ( like Miami, FL and Norfolk, VA ). The increased floodings in Norfolk should have woken up our Orangutan to the fact that the seawater level has risen to cause problems for our navy there but I guess it is an animal which has just recently swung out of the jungles of Nieuw Amsterdam to lead the Great White Flee. The entourage monkeys duly amended agency mission statements and reports to wipe out "nation of immigrants" and "climate change." Hip, Hip, Hurray! Hip, Hip, Hurray! Hip, Hip, Hurray! Since 2002, the songbirds have already been singing of climate change's increased temperature: How Great Thou Art!

Oh yeah, Mao ( who had probably learnt from Stalin regarding the Holodomor ) promulgated the term, "three years of Natural disasters" after mobilizing the Chinese farmers en masse to refine steel ( which turned out, not surprisingly, useless ) and subsequently starving to death tens of millions of Chinese. It's surely "Nature" taking its toll alright, no different from what happened in Nieuw Rhodesia.

The major humanitarian concern is actually the freshwater supply for the billions of people ( Indians, Chinese, Bangladeshis, Vietnamese, etc. ) depending on the snow/ice glacial melts. Non-artic glaciers worldwide will disappear much sooner than all of the snow and ice in the Arctic/Greenland and the Antarctic refrigerators. It's never wise to exceed the adaptability of the peoples' livelihoods but poor peoples probably don't care anyway.

India planned of using coal to lift its people out of poverty -- what will India do if Ganga, its 'eternal' river, becomes temporary and dries up in the hot season after the monsoon rain's freshwater has gushed into the ocean instead of being stored up in the Himalayan glaciers and trickled down later to water the crops?

How will China fetch freshwater for its billion+ people?

Freshwater supply is what makes great civilizations possible in river valleys -- by withdrawing the freshwater supply, we get the deserts of Iraq { remember operation Desert Storm? NOT operation Cropland Storm! } instead of the croplands of Sumer, nearly in the same place but different climate. Other examples abound in archeology: the civilizations of the Mayas, ancestral Pueblo peoples, etc. succumbing to climate change's rain pattern shifts. Despite millennia, our forefathers had NEVER figured out how to live without freshwater supply. The flipside of this fact means that once we have improved water recycling efficiency and anhydrous processes sufficiently, great civilizations can be sprouted in many more places if freed from the restrictions imposed by rain or water patterns. The abandoned high-and-dry glass-clad office towers of Detroit can become vertical farms, perhaps initially bootstrapping them with the desert beans from the Native Americans, to revitalize the city with food-sale revenues, police security, and new or returning people -- yeah, Dream Big, Dream On, we are the Essential American Dreamers ! Turn cities edible. Like New York Pizza. Like Gingerbread House. Like Chock Full O'Nuts covfefe. Like a crunchy sweet egg-fragrant Ice-Cream Cone -- but Small Brother says, "don't swallow the chewing gum with no flavors left or your intestines would be stuck shut and you could die of constipation, packed full of feces, like our government," so I spit it out and ask politely, "May I have another cone with a scoop of gubermint.. please?"

Hmm, maybe China built the Three Gorges Dam to store water so in case of war with China to kill it, destroy the dam or at least the conduits feeding its water and electricity to the thirsty Northern China where the political class lives in order to elicit a political surrender.

Wars are fought using steel, aluminum, and oil. The U.S. rescued General Motors because it was the ONLY U.S. company which still knew how to make battle tanks ( I did rejoice at the jobs saved ). Before reaching the fighting stage of a world war, we must build up our domestic supply of and production capabilities for the raw materials needed. I wouldn't count on the production capacities { better used there now to build more battle tanks, warships, cannons, aircraft, etc. for we'll need them for war } located near the likely quickly overrun frontlines in Eurasia where both China and Russia, our likeliest foes, exist primarily as great continental powers. The greatest oceans on Earth are great moats for the U.S. Besides, the U.S. still has the greatest navy in the world which can defend these moats. We are still the last defensible "Arsenal of Democracy." The meager defense resolve ( and/or capabilities ) of our overseas allies mean that they would likely be overrun very quickly ( Ahh know, ahh know, we have nuclear bombs but we already know how bad it got in Japan, okay? What are we going to do afterwards if we were unlucky enough to survive the nuclear war? Hmm? Even for myself whom my neighbors deemed to possess a strong stomach for yucky things, picking radioactive mushrooms or other fungi growing on charred cadavers, rotting carcasses, or downed tree trunks to eat would still be very revolting day after day because they would neither be "cute" nor "novel" after the first time ). By the time they get their act together ( still remember NATO's delayed response to stop Kosovo's humanitarian { ethnic cleansing } crisis in which the Muslims were "ethnically cleansed?" ), the continental phase of the world war may well be over. The U.S. may have to take a last stand in our western hemisphere, likely alone, with remnant overseas island-nation allies with strong navies, if lucky.

"Nuclear bombs don't kill people -- people kill people." General MacArthur probably knew of the Japanese depravities and war crimes committed by Unit 731. A nuclear war speeds up the human mutation rate towards creating the superior race of Übermenschen. In many ways, Ultraman protects Japan from monsters.

Hello, hello, Houston. We don't have a problem. We have the Mission!

I think Houston has been drowned and Cali has caught great fire. Oh well, God really tried to help but pissed at the wrong place, I suppose. Those who had prayed needed to face Heaven as they prayed to avoid disorienting God. I imagined God as a Briton coming out of a pub at its closing time but "don't worry, the Bobbies are 'understanding' people," as my Dad had assured me before. Forgiving people ( over the dogs congregating at the fire hydrants { i.e., the WooFoo watering-hole hotspots } sniffing, scratching, and pissing at K9-Facebook of Caninia-On-Waterline ) is a Great Bobbie Custom!

I understand why a Canadian had desired "British governance," "American know-how," and "French culture" but lamented getting "French politics," "British know-how," and "American { polipurchasing, ripeachotheroff, racialsupremacistandwhiteprivilege, rigjusticeandelection, gunsgermsundstehlen, mercenarysquireatlawgreymail, wealthaboveálles, allothersbedamned, fickmothernature, killsickoldweakandtired, robyetunbornchildrenoftheirfuturethroughdebtshealtheducationallivelihoodimpedimentssocialalienationviamediatotalinfowar } culture" instead. MAGA


Arctic isn't melting in "my backyard!" Very American and very true.

Well, it will be one day!


We in the U.S. are retaining our toilet paper man in the EPA to mop up the effluent from the organic fertilizer that the Rus Chinese put up with. Johann Carl Friedrich Gauss figured out centuries ago how to overcome uncertainties in the real world to forge ahead beyond multiple conflicting measurements but our centuries-old-behind-the-times lead-heads are obviously still dunking and skinny-dipping in our National Cesspool. Don't eat THAT kind of baying "crabs!" 鲜花插在牛粪上。Russia has a lot of diamonds, very very hard nuts so the Cesspool extends far beyond the bay.

Although we cannot say for sure whether your house will be rained upon twenty days from now, we have certainty that two, three, four, or five months from now, it will be much hotter than it is right now in the U.S. Why is the longer-term weather forecast possible but not the shorter term one? It's due to Apollo's driving his fiery chariot higher up across the sky to avoid the hungry bear!

Yes, after the bear has gotten hungry and crawled out of its cave, Apollo gets scared of being bitten but being the dutiful, benevolent, and lusty god that he is, he still drives his chariot like clockworks across the sky to take care of the people on the ground by growing their crops with his fiery chariot but he gives wide berth to the marauding hungry bear. Once the bear has eaten its full, Apollo relaxes and drives his chariot lower down across the sky. Not to be outdone by the procreative ( a.k.a. farking ) "business" ( affairé in French, after the 1066 C.E. Norman Conquest of England ) of his almighty father Zeus ( e.g., his changing into a white bull which carried off Europa on his back to rape her as depicted by Titian; rape and rapture have the same root in English -- implicitly inculcating that being raped is rapturous in Anglo cultures so we certainly have a London and a Las Vegas which attract much money, booz and sex traffic, especially from booz-and/or-sexually repressive lands such as Islamic or Orthodox countries; even shortly before their suicidal attacks on 9/11 to avenge for shamed Saudi Arabia, the Middle-Easterner kamikaze pilots and hijillers spent their last time in glitzy, booby, and boozy Las Vegas, presumably for earthly pleasures ), Apollo grabs a beautiful nude maiden Daphne by her pussy. It's "a like-father-like-son" culture of rape being rapturous as in Anglo-booms. The lustig god became lustful due to his disparaging Eros.

My ancestors survived because they had figured out this bear-driven Apollo-fear rhythm many millennia ago. They think therefore I am. Rhythm method works. However, our fat asses are living so high up the hog that they couldn't see the effluent and just share rice with us like this: 天粪 -- pollution stings up into space.

The current ( Rust-ian ) autolaunch of nuclear-tipped ICBMs can trigger a global thermonuclear war via 007's shot-down "accident." Welcome aboard to Trans World Airlines flight 800. Captain Kevorkian's Not an autopilot.


Unprecedented Melting of Arctic Mountain Glaciers in Last 400 Years.



I live in Phoenix plenty of ice melting in my backyard, the day is coming when Phoenix will not be habitable.


Ice melting in March in Phoenix is called "Spring," duh... Rejoice! I agree that Phoenix will definitely become "inhabitable" [ in Trumpanzia, of course. ;))) ] You should definitely check into how Phoenix got its name because it had become "inflammable" before and it was discovered that it's very [Americanly] "flammable as the USS Arizona."

To all who listen to the Earth, the dust ( such as that from the Star of Bethlehem? no, a supernova probably dimmed too quickly to have guided the slow travel of the { Persian/Iranian } Magi ) speaks the truth ( e.g., [ black-K2S-tainted ] smoke rising up from the Boston Marathon bombings indicated non-military [ military grade explosives are mostly smokeless so as Not to reveal one's position to the enemy -- if one were to create so much smoke as shown in the video, one would likely be hurt or killed as the next target ] likely domestic gunpowder, the nearest-to-Boston legal source of which was in New Hampshire as fireworks -- guess what racial skin color dominates there? it's Not that skin color is at all relevant but the Culture of domination/intimidation IS relevant; yes, Connecticut's Nancy Lanza whose son Adam Lanza was of Sandy Hook Massacre [in-]fame also had New Hampshire gun-culture connection ) : deaths of massive stars make life possible ( by creating the chemical elements heavier than helium -- O, C, N, S, P, Na, K, Cl, Ca, Mg, Mn, Mo, Fe, Zn, Si, Cu, Se, ...) Did you luck in or did you luck out? "...for dust you are and to dust you will return" - Gen. 3:19.

This map at 0:24 shows the greatest vulnerability to water shortage of the World's human population. The third pole, the Himalayan glaciers, sustains billions of people inside of that circle. When the third pole disappears, we can have Syria's problems multiplied by 100 or 1000 times. Dogs need to keep on sniffing at the rear-ends of other dogs for social media checks because their butts are where their buttboob ( i.e., K9-faceboob ) pages are located at according to the butt-attraction-displaced-to-boob-attraction hypothesis for human face-to-face mating having switched the focus from the back to the front. Dogs sitting on sandpaper will get it right when they start barking, "rough, rough!"



Are you interested in anything besides the imaginary "twinkle team"? You know there is a protest action happening now.

Care to comment?


Take a look, be inspired to contribute substance instead of encouraging our forum concern trolls distractions.






[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

Interesting link from a very interesting site ! Thanx !! Go Occupy !!!

Also please see :

fiat lux ...


I think I saw you postthat somewhere else.

Excellent info.



Not at all sure what the NRA or guns has to do with this forum-post topic but it does give me an opportunity to voice a thought re. a possible deep psychic reason for US gun fixation !!!

However, to get my drift, you'd have to engage with : http://occupywallst.org/forum/kill-anything-that-moves/ & then cogitate over my point, which is that - Vets Know What Went Down Abroad & The Atrocities That They Were Party To ... so, it has entered the deep psyche & the 'collective subconscious' of the nation that such horrors are possible !!

To get my line of thinking here, you'll have to read LeoYo's forum-posted article but I should warn you - it really is rather a brain jolting read !

ad iudicium ...

[-] -1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 8 years ago

I just had this link on my clipboard and threw on the most inappropriate reply I could find, cuz I thought you needed a laugh. No harm, no foul.

I'm a very quick study and turn on a dime, so I don't need prep.

I have written extensively on the topic of guns and I surprised myself with one really good sentence, and now I'm ruined for anybody else on the topic, including myself. Wish I could find it. That's my only complaint about this forum, no personal account that stores your posts and replies. I put stuff on here and never see it again. And the "search" feature is a fucking joke! But apparently the piece on guns was so great it blew DK's mind (probable stretch), he read it and then he disappeared.

A few people get killed in Libya and the ridiculous Right goes (and stays) bananas, 20 kids get slaughtered at school and they pooh pooh it. To me, that's reason enough to ban all guns unconditionally.


Ok. I get you re. guns etc. & so thanx + re. my previous comment above and also fyi :

Re. the "search" box, enter any forum poster's moniker and their last 50 forum-posts will come up and enter any subject and again, relevant forum-pots will come up but it's too much to expect that this 'open-source' system can pull up and aggregate any individual's comments. Bookmark anything you need to.

verb. sat. sap ...


Doesn't work for me! I'm used to unwarranted or spiteful prejudice.


Chill and don't take it personally, lol. Try putting : user:WSmith - into the search box and see what you get ! Use "user:" & then posters' moniker and you'll get the last 50 forum-post list. Put any word or phrase in the search box and relevant forum-posts will come up. Good luck.

pax ...


Thank you!

Irish, and very thick skinned.

Oh, "user"! Missed that memo.

Also false and wild accusations, they must bump out the memos.

How's the horse-meat controversy treating you?


Though I'd say 'nay' (neigh), some folk have no 'beef' with horse-meat so long as it's labelled correctly !!! 'Greed' knows no limits sadly and excessive, intensive cattle farming has some huge repercussions for our environment and atmosphere too.

ne quid nimis ...


The vegans say theirs is the only way to go, my doctor says they are all anemic and can't function properly!!

[-] 2 points by peacehurricane (293) 8 years ago

Your doctor is like all the rest and has no idea what he is talking about! The topic of flesh eating was on my mind and here it is. I am telling you true IT IS SURE DEATH! You are what you eat and not any doctor can change that fact. While the colony within people eating flesh has them convinced they need eat it, this because that colony of parasites needs to be fed. It is not the person in need of meat. If Jesus ever made a pleading statement it was about not eating death in sacrifice for his Father, stop doing it. From my perspective all conversing with people choosing death is a waste of time because it is simple to see that they will not understand where I am coming from and that is so okay knowing that I choose to live and they will not understand under spell of what lives off them.

[-] 4 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

Large mushrooms have replaced meat in many of my meals. B12 is abundant in fresh fungii. Just don't cook it to mush, and eat it raw in salads.


Sprouts of all sorts can deliver all the necessary nutrients in one foot square counter space. The sprouts have as much or more of vitamins/minerals as the grown foods. I am all for more fun-gi in all ways we need this and if you are a guy a little fun and it's on Good going! Lovin' you In solidarity for Worldwide FREEDOM...


My fave sprouts are chickpea, which are so sweet once sprouted they could be classed as a lolly. When a seed germinates, the starch converts to sugars, and the vitamin C content rises about six hundred percent.

A much better way to consume grains of any kind. Hell, even beer is made from sprouts (malt). That shuts up my mates who say sprouting is for hippies.


Re. US Forests : "The federal government has spent about $1 billion a year in recent years combating wildfires. Last year was the warmest on record in the lower 48 states and saw 9.2 million acres burned, the third-highest on record, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration website. Insect infestations widely blamed on warming temperatures have killed tens of millions of acres of trees."- from your interesting link and many thanx for that and am appending this article in return :

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by 99nproud (2697) 8 years ago

Repubs blinded by the fossil fuel $$$ they wallow in.

Great article.


"Considering the threats of climate change, war, and disease, only an idiot – or a fossil-fuel billionaire like Charles or David Koch – would want us to bring in more oil with a pipeline or take any other steps to continue America's dependence on dirty and costly last-century fuels.", from :

fiat lux ...


I like the manhattan project bit. If we created some incentive to big business to build us a few million wind turbines we could stop burning fossil fuel.


Consider, "big business" is actually inherently opposed to sustainable power because in reality that would, should & could tend towards 'free power for all' & so how'd they 'sell' it to their share-holders ?!

'Free and sustainable and renewable and abundant' are actually antithetical to Corporate Crapitalism which thrives on faux scarcity in the midst of actual abundance in its blind pursuit of purely private profit.

Also consider : "Beyond the Brink -- A Climate Change Investigation" :

ad iudicium ...


"While a move towards renewable energy by Australia’s economy certainly won’t fix global warming on its own, it’s a step in the right direction, away from the rash of heat waves and wildfires—worsened by the climate change driven by fossil fuels’ carbon emissions—that have recently slammed the nation." - extracted from your excellent link, however more soberingly, I append in reply the following :

sic transit gloria mundi ...

[-] 6 points by inclusionman (7064) 8 years ago

We gotta ratchet up the protests. no let for him. What he needs to do is tell the epa to cap pollution from energy plants.


Yep !!! Ergo ; # F17 : http://action.sierraclub.org/site/PageServer?pagename=forwardonclimate and metaphorically but in spirit : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8QvxiQWp2g & check the lyrics :-)

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 5 points by inclusionman (7064) 8 years ago

Don't get nothing w/o askin (or demanding)

Good tune

Don't know "easterhouse" was it?


"Love Someone" and feel it change your view on music !!!

Ergo : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiInBOVHpO8 & check the lyrix !!

Re. 'Easterhouse' - Leftist band from Glasgow, Scotland & for a killer dance version of 'Come Out Fighting' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mSSaDmYLyI - Go one - give your ears a work out !

fiat lux ...

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 8 years ago

Sounds excellent. Sometimes small local bands are overlooked yet better than the pop crap "the industry" pushes.



"What Does a Police State Look Like ?", by David Sirota :

Answer : "Violence, arrests of Occupy protesters and stop-and-frisk. Plus: A worshipful media" ! Also :

Solidarity @ OWS !!

consilio et animis ...


Police state facts in the art most troubling. Lawsuits not damaging to police/govt enough & didn't create a deterrent.

(Music great)

[-] 1 points by 99nproud (2697) 8 years ago

That is an accurate description of the corp objection. I will watch the Dovu you recommend.




There will be such a world. This documentary by 'VPRO Backlight' from Holland, explores the unprecedented possibilities of a new industrial revolution - "The Cleantech Revolution" :


All of this is possible and is happening successfully now ! Working together with "Cleantech" founder Nick Parker, this film shows what our world will possibly be like in the decades to come.

respice, adspice, prospice ...

[-] 5 points by Ackhuman (-88) from Fairfax, VA 8 years ago

"Clean tech" is code for "I haven't learned my lesson yet". We have too much technology right now, not too little. First you have to learn to be responsible with it, then you build new stuff. "Clean tech" has a monstrous energy footprint, and the replacement of all "dirty" tech with "clean" tech will cause probably more damage to the environment than it prevents.

[+] -6 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 8 years ago

Join the fight to save our planet


[-] 4 points by Ackhuman (-88) from Fairfax, VA 8 years ago

Join the fight by begging our masters? Fuck that. If you people really wanted to stop climate change, you would reduce your energy use, and get others to do the same. Signing a piece of paper means you are not serious.

[+] -5 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 8 years ago

I disagree, petitions, phone calls, protests, boycotts, strikes, votes, cutting your own energy usage ALL is necessary.

Most of all encouraging all and any efforts, and absolutely not ridiculing any good efforts.


Petitions give all the feeling of having done something with none of the effort of actually doing anything. They are the favorite tool of slacktivists, and they produce complacency.

[+] -4 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 8 years ago

You sound uninformed at best! More likely an anti 99%'r who is trying to discourage an activism.

Petitions work. They are one of many weapons we wield against the oligarchs.



Maybe for dumb little causes like internet censorship laws that could actually pass with no consequence in reality (because their proposed measures are technically impossible/prohibitively expensive) they work.

But climate change is something we've known about since the 70s, and something that has been not only ignored, but actively denied by an organized, multi-million dollar effort. A petition is not going to do fuck in stopping climate change, and because of the nature of the problem, one that almost everyone is inherently detached from, those feelings of having done something are amplified in this case. Just like people who drive Priuses or buy carbon offsets, whatever miniscule help you've provided doesn't make up for the fact that you're probably not going to do the stuff that actually does fight climate change, like moving out of the suburbs, not using a car, becoming a vegan, and growing your own food.

And you think I sound like a moron?


I have no interest in your unprovable claims of achievements, accolades, and intelligence.

To present all that on an anonymous internet forum is yet another measure of your ignorance.

The only issue I disagree with you on is your uninformed criticism, unfounded negativity of the historically proven powerful, valuable activist tool of petitioning.

And for you to focus so much energy attempting to stop petitioning rather than pushing the home grown food movement you claim to support is illustrative of your priorities.

You're 1st priority is stopping a critical activist method of growing our movement not your self proclaimed food growing movement.

So that is what makes you an anti-activist. Notwithstanding all your unproven claims.


I'm not spending a lot of energy on stopping petitioning. I wrote one short message about it.

You are the one acting childish, calling me a moron multiple times in every post, making assumptions about me that you have no business making, and following the recent comments so you can downvote my posts, regardless of their content.

Not only that, you talk about how negative I am, when I'm the one advocating positive direct action, and you're the one crying about what a negative, anti-activist moron I am, how I'm stupid and uneducated, how I'm a moron and an anti-activist, how I'm full of anger, how I'm a moron and an anti-activist, how I do a disservice to everything I'm involved in, how I'm a moron and an anti-activist, how I can't prove the things I said (which I can, by the way), and how the best "gateway" to activism is for people to type their name in a form on the interbutts to politely ask their glorious leaders to fix their problems for them.

You sound like you need a hug.


Very few people can grow their own food in any appreciable amount. Millions of people have signed petitions and been added to mailing lists that are been used to create support for other issues, For raising money for more important issues/actions. Even the growing food movement can benefit by joining coalitions that can share their mailing lists to further your food growing plan.

Groups that gather many petition names are empowered to agitate for their given issue. The more names they gather the more leverage they have, the more petitions we sign, the more groups get more leverage.

You do not add to the success of your movement because you are filled with anger, spew hateful negativism, and are woefully uninformed.

You do a disservice to anything you get involved in with that level of pessimism. You are the anti-activist.


I'm woefully uneducated? That's funny, because I'm actually on a research team for another activist movement, have been invited to speak in a global consortium for sustainable societies, have a tremendous research library of relevant information, spend the entirety of my free time studying ecological and economic issues, and am generally regarded as someone who knows what the fuck he's talking about.

It seems that it's only when I get on this board that I get called an idiot and a moron, and dismissed out of hand by people who don't actually care to read or discuss anything I say. I'm filled with anger because shitheads like you respond in exactly this way to everything I write, and have dumb little groupies that upvote your posts and downvote mine.

You don't even know anything about me, other than I hate petitions. I do a disservice to anything I get involved in? That's a pretty sweeping generalization there, which I don't see any justification for making. Hey, but I'm sure it's going to score you lots of "cool points" on the boards here.


Only the unenlightened thinks the right way to encourage more activism is by insulting the gateway actions.

We must encourage EVERY effort small and large. Small efforts WILL grow into larger efforts. That is the most valuable element of small efforts. We lose that possibility when morons like you are putting down those small efforts.

But that is what you want right? You just want to shut down any actions.


I can make a lot more people give a fuck about growing their own food than I can about signing some stupid fucking petition that's not going to do anything.

Petitions aren't a good gateway action because they're not effective and people either forget about signing or lose interest over time because nothing's happened.

Permaculture food farming not only ACTIVELY REDUCES ATMOSPHERIC CO2, unlike signing an online petition which uses huge amounts of energy, it RESULTS IN SOMETHING PHYSICAL that encourages people to keep doing it. Best of all, unlike signing an online petition on the privacy of your dumb little screen, people that AREN'T ALREADY ON YOUR SIDE SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE and may change themselves for the better.

You have NO ARGUMENT here. Enjoy having your hoardes of dumb little friends follow you around downrating your opponents.

[+] -7 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

one is concerned about energy wasted to insignificant victories


No hug needed. Perfectly happy taking apart those who discourage activism.

STOP putting down positive action.!!!



Let's count up the negativity score.


"yet another measure of your ignorance.

your moronic criticism

unfounded negativity

moronic anti-activist

You sir, are a fuckin moron

you do a disservice to anything you get involved in

You are the anti-activist.

You sound like a moron at best!

More likely an anti 99%'r

But That is what you want right moron?

Fuckin moron.

Only a moron thinks

You just want to shut down any actions.

and are woefully uneducated."


"Maybe for dumb little causes like internet censorship laws

A petition is not going to do fuck in stopping climate change





Me: 6

You: 14

Also notice that half of my "negativity" was about petitions, while you focused all your energy on personal insults.

If there's anyone who's going to turn people away from activism, it's people that attack those who don't agree with them with insults. I.E., you.

[+] -7 points by repubsRtheprob (1209) 8 years ago

Oooo. I didn't see that one. thanks.

Sanders is on point as always, Boxer no slouch.



I think they're all slouches.

These ones just put more good stuff on the table and fight the good cause harder than the othe(R)s. ( hee hee )

Stuff that never see's headlines.

Boxer is in Cali and should well know the value of a good publicist.

Why don't they employ one to put it there, on the front pages?

It will die in some committee somewhere and never see the glint of daylight.



Very tough to get good laws passed. And no politician is 100%, but I agree more Dems (prog caucus members) are fighting for the 99%


That is an excellent documentary.



Thanx & kinda sadly, I append herewith, fyi :

One step forward and two steps back OR the other way around ?! Time will tell !! However ...

tempus fugit ...


The fossil fuel corps are still some of the most powerful oligarchs on the planet. We must throw a bone to them while we increase the means (greentech) to eliminate them.

I don't like it but I accept the reality and the need. no one gives up power easily.


No More Bones For Oilygarchs !!!

ne quid nimis ...


Big oil must be the most corrupt plutocrats in the history of the world.

They've certainly done more damage than any other industry (along with corrupt bought off politicians)

[+] -6 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

co2 is in the air

plants convert sunlight, CO2 and water to make sugar


Photosynthesis ! Ain't it GREAT ?

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by amabokuf (-97) 8 years ago

You need to wear one of these. Your exhales are destroying the Earth.



You get your head outta your (..x..) & I'll wear one of those ! Agreed ?

ad absurdum(b) ...


Your premise is faulty and thus you're pissing in the wind.

You'd rather destroy the planet by continuing to breath and exhale than to sacrifice for your fellow man. It is your kind of selfishness that is what is wrong with the world.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 8 years ago

The Department of the Interior has announced that they are reevaluating Shell’s Arctic drilling permits after a series of mishaps throughout last year — culminating with one of its drillship running aground in late December — prevented the company from drilling as planned.

Shell’s failure was six years and $4.5 billion in the making and only confirmed what experts have been saying all along — that drilling for oil in the Arctic will never be safe. Now it seems that Secretary Salazar and the government might be coming to the same conclusion.

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Thanks for making the call,

[-] 5 points by Renneye (3874) 8 years ago

Thank you 'Iman'! Everyone here can pick up the phone and make this call. This could, and maybe should be a stand alone thread in the main 'Forum Post'. It is a simple action, that sends a cogent message to the powers that be. Even people outside of the U.S. should make this call to let them know that the world is watching. Thanks again.


Feel free. I'd be happy if just a few are moved to action. Or just read it. and are informed.


No no! Thank you!! I will bump it this morning.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

Huh ?!


Sorry, I should have used crayons or perhaps translated to Latin.


You allude to some unrecognised and unspecified "premise" and accuse me of "pissing in the wind" ?!

If I am, why is it landing on you ?!! Wanna get yourself out of the way or explain yourself or both ?!!!

temet nosce ...


This is pathetic.


Finally, it seems we have a point of agreement !!

nosce te ipsum ...




In compliment - TWEET

DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

Take Action: Tell President Obama that natural gas is not a climate solution https://secure.sierraclub.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=11493&s_src=710ZSCSH01#.UddbsYkWXAM.twitter

You Can NOT Have It Both Ways.


[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (23462) 8 years ago

"Record rise in CO2 emissions sounds climate change alarm" The Guardian, March 8, 2013.


"Hopes for 'safe' temperature increase within 2C fade as Hawaii station documents second-greatest emissions increase."


Again, -5 in 30 minutes. The truth hurts, doesn't it? Oh, gee, it might cost you a little money to save the freaking earth! You sickos.


Yes. "The truth hurts" those who would rather we we remained ignorant, with our heads in the sand and our asses in the air but these Corporate Shills and their stinkling lickspittles on this forum will only drive us to renewed efforts for a 'bw' fit for all. Thus, further to your excellent and highly recommended link - in due course, please also consider :

e tenebris, lux ...


"Toxic fracking fluid routinely spills during transport. Wells can accidentally communicate underground, leading to a blowout of fracking fluids through one well as they are pumped through another."

"Fracking fluids and gas can migrate into the water table and contaminate the water supply. Methane in the water supply is believed to be the cause of spontaneous house fires. The injection of fracking waste into storage wells causes earthquakes. Open pools that store fracking waste can rupture and leak into waterways. Pipelines that carry the natural gas can rupture and leak or catch fire."

"...among the chemicals known to be used in fracking, one third are known carcinogens and others are neurotoxins and reproductive toxicants which sabotage pregnancy and interfere with hormones. But this isn't the whole of it: the fluids that go down the wells also return to the surface carrying heavy metals, radiation, radon and organic compounds from the shale with them. Radon causes lung cancer, and benzene, an organic compound, causes leukemia. As Steingraber describes it, these substances are not a threat when they are locked deep in the ground, but fracking is "fracturing the lid on Pandora's Box."

And, to answer, Chomsky, um, no.


"Returning carbon money straight to the people – rather than turning it into windfall profits for corporations or tax revenue for government – also features in a new bill introduced this month by Senators Bernie Sanders (Ind-VT) and Barbara Boxer (D-CA), which would levy a carbon fee and recycle 60% of the money to the public." - excerpted from :

I append the above article because it is highly relevant to the forum-posted article and to this thread, if not as directly to your reply above but thank you for the very relevant excerpts re. 'Fracking Fluids' - an aspect of Fracking which TPTB are rather desperate to conceal. Just how stupid has one got to be to poison our water and land so that we can release ancient hydro-carbons, that Nature has sequestered and stored away, straight back into the atmosphere - purely in pursuit of Short Term Private Profit ? To answer my own rhetorical question in the style of your answer to Chomsky ... ummm .. very !!

minina maxima sunt ...


"The political appeal of these proposals goes beyond protecting family incomes. They also face up to a fundamental moral question: Who are the rightful owners of the environment? Who should be paid for the privilege of using it, subject to limits we set to safeguard it for future generations?"

And, I'll post it again just to be annoying to TPTB:




[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Lovely what natural gas wants/is to do(ing) to us - Hey? With the F'n governments blessing no less.



That's the only word for it.


When did it become a prerequisite for office?

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Phoenix - Yep in trouble deep ( immediate trouble ) as are other arid states/cities.

With changing to alternative power sources and dumping fossil fuel (if it all happened today) - these states are gonna have to do something anyway for a very long time to supply needed water. Open sources are dwindling.


Just read a story on a scientific plan to eliminate all fossil fuels for NYS in 18 years!!


Imagine that!!


Good story - GR8 Goal. Just think how much faster that that could be accomplished Nation Wide - If everyone supported it.


It is definitely the kind of concept we can build a growing movement to pressure for it's implementation.

It's a concrete plan we can put our finger on, that we can point to, that we can spread around to excite greens everywhere.


Not just greens - everyone - the benefits are tangible for ALL.


You are right, I stand corrected. And that is a strength of the plan. It can appeal to a broad group of people.

I am excited about it. Of course there wasn't a whole lot of coverage, and that is a ig challenge.


Coverage - YEP

That is where good people on the internet come in - because there is a whole hell of a lot to be fixed before we have "real" full coverage full access news again.


We are the choir preaching to each other, but I know the choir is growing. With every little effort we each make.

Thanks for listening, responding, believing, & fighting.


We are the choir preaching to each other

When we are here.

but I know the choir is growing.

Due to the fact that we reach out from here.

Thank you for your efforts.


"Evidence from Siberian caves suggests that a global temperature rise of 1.5C could see permafrost thaw over a large area of Siberia.

A study shows that more than a trillion tonnes of the greenhouse gases CO2 and methane could be released into the atmosphere as a result.

An international team has published details in the journal Science."



"As permafrost covers 24% of the land surface of the Northern Hemisphere, significant thawing could affect vast areas and release (billions of tonnes) of carbon. This has huge implications for ecosystems in the region, and for aspects of the human environment." said Dr Anton Vaks from the University of Oxford and extracted from your excellent link. So, please also calmly consider that :

"Conspiracies against the public don't get much uglier than this. As The Guardian revealed last week ....



I excerpt the above in reply to you bw, from the following highly recommended article :

I have a very big problem with undemocratic, secretive, corporate, right-wing 'Libertopian' types like the Donor's Trust [ http://donorstrust.org/ ] & as to the 'why?' - well it's all very well encapsulated in :

Which describes the 'Libertarian' individuals and groups behind a well organized effort to attack science by actually undermining scientists & to try to unseat politicians - who say they believe there is current climate change caused by human activity.

This excellent doc. film also investigates the funding which powers the sceptic movement in the name of free market, anti-regulation, small government causes and finds that funding has shifted away now from the fossil fuel companies to more ideological and less public sources.

qui tacet consentire ...



Bagsy cut the break lines ... unless you absolutely insist on doing so, lol !!!

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 2 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 8 years ago

Bill Moyers is to journalism, what you are to Occupy, a shining star

I am a big fan of both



If you dig Bill Moyers and possibly Richard Wollf, then you'll really dig this :

Thanx for your gracious comment mate. Btw you know what they say about pedestals right ? They are only good for falling off ! You shine 'O' - good luck and good wishes to you and yours in all your doings.

pax, amor et lux ...

[+] -4 points by oldJohn (-646) 8 years ago

Bill Moyers, shadz66, and you should all start working on building a Bridge To The Ground.

[-] -3 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

is 118 million that much money?


"Secret funding helped build vast network of climate denial thinktanks"by Suzanne Goldenburg :

"How Donors Trust distributed millions to anti-climate groups", by Suzanne Goldenburg :

"The secretive funding channel known as the Donors Trust patronised a host of conservative causes.

"But climate was at the top of the list. By 2010, Donors Trust had distributed $118m to 102 thinktanks or action groups which have a record of denying the existence of a human factor in climate change, or opposing environmental regulations.

"Recipients included some of the best-known thinktanks on the right. The American Enterprise Institute, which is closely connected to the Republican party establishment and has a large staff of scholars, received more than $17m in untraceable donations over the years, the record show.

"But relatively obscure organisations did not go overlooked. The Heartland Institute, virtually unknown outside the small world of climate politics, received $13.5m from the Donors Trust.

"Americans for Prosperity, the Tea Party group seen as the strike force of the conservative oil billionaire Koch Brothers, received $11m since 2002."

So yes - I think that $118M is enough money to serve their intentions, Matt & they'll spend much more !!

e tenebris, lux ...




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Tell CNBC: report the facts, not misinformation about climate science.

Since January, the network has featured a parade of climate deniers like William Happer, who chairs the fossil-fuel funded George C. Marshall Institute and wrote “how little correlation warming has with concentrations of carbon dioxide”, host Larry Kudlow*, who says that "climate change is not man-made” and could be caused by the sun, and contributor Rick Santelli who calls climate change a “myth”. Tinfoil hats not included.

An American president announcing major climate plans is big news for the planet, and all of us who live on it. The speech had some positive elements, like a plan to regulate emissions from power plants, and real problems—like a continued embrace of a climate-destroying all-of-the-above energy policy. But the fact that a major business network like CNBC didn’t even see fit to run the speech is a sign of how our media outlets are abdicating their responsibility on the most vital issue of our day.

We can change that, and CNBC is a great place to start. Right-wing outlets like Fox News have long given up on even the semblance of honest journalism. But CNBC remains a legitimate journalistic outlet under the banner of NBC, the network of Tom Brokaw and Tim Russert and sister network to the more progressive MSNBC. They have a reputation to uphold, and climate change denial is a stain on that reputation.

There’s only one thing will force CNBC to change its tune: a massive outcry from everyday folks like us who refuse to stand for one more day of climate denial.

Please join us and our friends at Forecast the Facts and insist that CNBC stop reporting climate change denial and start reporting the facts.

Factually yours, Jesse Bacon, Environmental Action

** Report: Climate Change is Bad for Business, Media Matters

* Hayward: Crisis in Climate Science, The Kudlow Report 


DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

.@CNBC tell @JoeSquawk to stop ignoring #climatechange & report the facts! via @forecastfacts & @enviroaction http://act.forecastthefacts.org/sign/stop_cnbc_climate_denial_2?referring_akid=.92259.TDCYPO&source=twitter


''Climate Of Doubt'' - A PBS 'Frontline' Documentary, which I again recommend to all here :

Thanx for your comprehensive comment and links & this doc. is reposted in compliment.

e tenebris, lux ...


Climate of Doubt - Yes a very good Frontline Doc - though it makes you wish you could climb through the screen and start laying about with a 2x4.



OK, let's use all this "fiscal cliff" attention to expose the HUGE indirect costs, that we have to pay, for Big Fossil to do business. Jujitsu!!

We are massively late in fighting back against the Lewis Powell Memo, and all the subsequent actions and institutions, but better late than never!!!

Should have been off fossil fuel 30 years ago! Germany is using Green Tech to achieve negative energy costs and pollution!!! We have a lot of catching up to do!

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 8 years ago

OK, let's get this party started!!

Did you know that this is why we started Earth Day??

What was the RW reaction?? The Lewis Powell Memo!! Declaration of War!!

They (RW, RepubliCons, Big Fossil, etc.) declared war on Green Energy and Environmentalism!!

Everyone else (Germany, etc) thought it was a good idea and proceeded!!

Our biggest problem is ignorance, and I blame Big Media!!

WTFU People!! Going Green will keep us from going over the Fiscal and Global Warming Cliffs!!

[-] 3 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 8 years ago

U R Right ! Green works but the fight against it is political spin and is lead by dinosaur energy industries that buy our government. I have limited means, but I did manage to install a solar preheat water tank in my house. It's not much, but it's a start. We have to change the culture and take the attitude " Your not a real man unless you produce your own power".


[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 8 years ago

With You Brutha!

And let's hang the costs for dinosaur energy industries around the necks of their pols like tires and set them on fire, for all to see!!


I'm recommending A4C's links above and below. + re. Our Climate & Environment - It is still NOT too late !!! We can as a species arrest and if not reverse, then adapt !! I have hope, but I'm not naive ! Ergo :

e tenebris, lux ...


OK, now let's do something! And let's be smart about it!

The hidden costs of Big Fossil are a major cost to all of us!! Adding to our nation debt!! They want to cut spending before we go over a/the cliff!! Let's work it!

Let's get it out there. Let's hang it around the predominantly RepubliCons necks, make them address these costs before they go after SSI, Medicare, UI, etc.!!

They are NOT going to address Pollution Related Global Climate Change ANY other way! We have to use their energy to cut spending against them! Jujitsu!

[-] 3 points by Builder (4202) 8 years ago

Australia's govt imposed a carbon tax of $24 per tonne, and despite the oppositions' scare tactics regarding radical price increases across the board for everything, I've yet to see a single common commodity (electricity supply aside) that has effectively risen since the imposition of a carbon tax.

Low-income Australians have received financial assistance to cover any potential increases in costs for power, etc.

Good video here where our PM defends the carbon tax. I'm all for it.

Other videos on the same link giving the opposition's viewpoint.



And of course here in the good old US the rotten Big Fossil and RW political stooges declared war on Green thinking!! Raygun's noble removal of solar panels from the WH was an applauded victory. And the masses just said "Somebody hand me a cheeseburger" and a frosty can of Buttwiper!

OK, let's start from scratch!!


I was a bit dubious from the start.

I thought it might all be a scam to extract yet more money from the working and middle classes by the oligarchs.

But, I'm seeing daily the radical changes in our weather patterns, and I'm pretty sure you guys and gals would be too.

It might take a bit more physical destruction to convince the nay-sayers, but as George Carlin said several years ago, "If it takes massive destruction and extensive death to wake up the sleeping giant (America), then bring it on."


I lived in Southern California and witnessed Smog so bad that we could not see across the street, daily Smog alerts, then oil spills from the pumps that line the coast and wiped out the beeches, then DDT, then nightly Fruit Fly spraying. When Earth Day came along, we thought what took so long!? Still wondering.

Climate change should not be the reason/cause, it's too easy a target for exceptions. Pollution is the way to go. No more death and destruction, I say we just ram it through, the Neanderthals and Big Fossils will NEVER get it.


Ram it through? I like it.

The high price of gas at the pump here hasn't slowed the uptake of large passenger vehicles and SUVs.

Polluters like the Koch bros have basically bought the EPA, so I'm wondering how you could get around the so-called "protection" agency when they are paid hacks for industry.


Well, our military is going to need a mission pretty soon here!

I think it's (the military) our secret employment scheme.

[-] 3 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Robert Reich on 'Understanding The Fiscal Cliff in 2 minutes and 30 seconds' (to watch and the same to read) - http://www.nationofchange.org/understanding-fiscal-cliff-2-minutes-and-30-seconds-1354635555 & also see - http://www.nationofchange.org/environment + Keep Occupying The Issues!


Yes, a primer on the "cliff":

Understanding the Fiscal Cliff (In 2 Minutes and 30 Seconds) Robert Reich (In a better world, one where people made United demands, RR would anchor a daily Network News show.)

Published: Tuesday 4 December 2012

Democrats, here are eight principles to guide you in the coming showdown over the fiscal cliff: Continued: 1-10 of the original Dem strategy when this deal was made last year as a counter measure to the RepubliCon Budget Hostage Crisis, which resulted in the T-Potty Down Grade. But 1%-owned Cons don't mention ANY of this, favoring the "sky is falling" fear factor, and the 1%-owned MSM follows suit. Thank Darwin the Partisan Cons didn't Occupy the WH!!

BACK TO MY POINT: Let's use this phony spending controversy to address the giant expensive elephant in the room: "the HUGE indirect costs, that we have to pay, for Big Fossil to do business. Like pollution, wars, MIC, healthcare, etc...

Unite and Win!


Occupy The Externalities! Reading here today, I was interested in and also draw your attention to, this comment under the 'Best Comments Today' header - http://occupywallst.org/forum/climate-change-is-happening-now-a-carbon-price-mus/#comment-888925 - which is on this thread. I particularly draw your attention to the final paragraph of the comment. Thanks for your reply and - 'Unite and Win' or 'Remain Divided and Keep Losing'! Occupy The Future!

[-] 3 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 8 years ago

Unite and Win

[-] 2 points by Ache4Change (3340) 8 years ago

Because divided we are conquered! Also - http://www.nationofchange.org/texas-quatar-us-does-nothing-protect-planet-1354977405 . We Occupy The Environment - we must never stop looking to care for it! :)


'In One Pie Chart - Why Climate Change Deniers Have No Scientific Credibility' - http://www.nationofchange.org/why-climate-deniers-have-no-scientific-credibility-one-pie-chart-1354370613 . Occupy The Issues!

[-] 4 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 8 years ago

They will never be credible and, as descendants of the Flat Earth believers, they never were. Whether or not they are credible, you can be credible and wrong, is not the issue. The issue is that these wrongheaded, backward-thinking and closed-minded idiots are in our Government!!!

Get rid of these RW dunderheads before they get us all killed!!!


'RW dunderheads' have been in control of our country since JFK & Clinton was just their most human face, lol. 'Jeffrey Sachs, Director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University, claims in "Why Poverty" that “there are many bought politicians in Washington.” The present day merchants and traders - the hedge fund managers, brokers, CEO’s of major corporations - are bought by the rich, such as David and Charles Koch. Estimated to be worth $62 billion, they have donated funds to over half the members of the Senate and the House of Representatives and ploughed millions of dollars into 230 university colleges to promote courses, which support their ‘free’ market ideology. A ‘free’ market, in name only, skewed off, which they and their cronies have overwhelming control.' - taken from the excellent article - http://www.nationofchange.org/inequality-and-poverty-america-style-1354976402 .

Also you may be interested in - http://www.nationofchange.org/blogs/lawrence-davidson/nationalism-vs-capitalism-1342887645 - and also - http://www.nationofchange.org/most-obdurate-bully-room-us-widely-criticized-role-climate-talks-1354984587 .

Never Give Up Trying To Take Down The Dunderheads! Occupy The Issues! Solidarity.


Yes, it's not a black and white world. And as a result of our pathetic participation in our great democracy, we have well intended politicians with no popular support who are forced to turn to money donors to stay in the game. We, through our obscene negligence, caused this corrupt state of affairs in our government. And Big$ LOVES it!!! But the overwhelming proliferation of man-made climate change detractors are GOPers who are a Cult whose Charlie Manson is the 1%. Know your enemy or you will squander your cause and efforts!


No! When you say 'as a result of our pathetic participation in our great democracy, we have well intended politicians with no popular support who are forced to turn to money donors to stay in the game.' - that is an inversion of reality, imho and what pray tell, is so 'great' about our democracy?!

The politicians took the money, they sold us out, we see through their venal b.s. - so we desert them! Don't put the cart before the horse and start blaming the victims for their oppression. The people didn't desert the politicians first - they deserted us and opted for the ca$h! GOPers are beyond the pale and Dems, for the most part are duplicitous scum too.

Denis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders are the exceptions who prove the rule and we'll watch Elizabeth Warren now, with interest. The Corporations co-opt and control our govt. and this has to change but don't blame the dispossessed, disenfranchised and demoralised people of our country for the state of our 'democracy'. Apathy Is The Enemy & perhaps we can agree on that! Go Occupy!


If you fail to put oil in a Lamborghini and engine problems result, it's still a great car, it just needs maintenance to keep it running great. We have such a great democracy, that despite CU, Voter suppression, and RW biased media, we dodged a dirty bomb with Mit and Ryan.

So, Yes! We have rendered a great democracy to it's currently pathetic state, but it's so great it withstood all that the RW-1%-GOP could throw at it. It is further a testament to the Greatness of our democracy that it remains strong despite our massive neglect and naive denigration. A democracy is only as strong as its participation, it's not a spectators sport.

Don't generalize! The GOP is flat owned by Big$, there are DINOs or Blue Dogs who are fake Dems and really just RepubliCons. And there are Dems who are neglected by their "unreliable" base who have to take money to stay in politics, because Big$ has snatched up the democracy we have forsaken. We need to take it back, take it away from Big$ with our superior participation. Democracy and the politicians it puts in office serves those who show up. We have the lowest Voter turnout, Big$ has the highest! We abandoned our democracy, Big$ just picked it up and, without Votes, monetized it. Our fault, Big$ can't help being scumbags! That's what they do! What's a politician to do?? give up and let them rape and pillage at will?? Or take their money and live to fight another day? The money buys influence and propagandized Votes. If we just Voted as a civic duty, this would not be the problem you blindly wail about!!!

Sanders and Kucinich both support many other Dems and NO Cons!!! Corporations cannot co-opt what we occupy, that's why they have had free will with our government. Occupy democracy!! Occupy Government!! Occupy the Media!! Occupy the Vote!!!


We currently ''occupy' duopoly, but you seem far too comfortable with that for my taste, but as you say - 'We have such a great democracy...', then perhaps I should not be too surprised at that. Sanders and Kucinich support those things which they believe is better for the 99% and we need many more like them. Yes, Occupy Democracy and The Vote! but...Let Us Give Up Corporate Controlled Duopoly!

[+] -7 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

So? - share circulate all of the good information that you come across here with a link back to here. I urge everyone to do this. If you have accounts already - then take advantage of using the social media links on the left side of your screen. Comments will already show-up in a google search for information - even if the search does not request OWS specific information. The more that people copy or tweet or e-mail or otherwise forward information from this site - the faster and wider the distribution becomes.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1769) 0 minutes ago

Just like the Cons will never die because they are not of the living, TPTB will never downfall because they're so rich they can't, but they may have stand-ins stage a downfall if it helps them evade justice and soothes the unwashed masses.

And as nice as this board is, its relevance in the grand scheme of the American body politic is just a smidgen above nil. We have to spread and propagate and promote the site. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


I tweet and facefuck links to here, OWS; got a whole lot of new posters over the debates and election. How or what does it do when you hit Tweet here, and before or after you hit save? Aha: It Tweets the OP/Thread/Post not reply!


This is why we are here - this is also why the assholes are acting in desperation to make these moves against the public. BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS BEGINNING TO AWAKEN AND GET INVOLVED

We are not too late - not yet - and we have only just started and look at how desperate TPTB are acting. They "THEY" will feed the fire that sees their downfall.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1769) 5 minutes ago

Yes, the Class War that we're still losing!!!

This Michigan thing that has been roiling since Dem dummies pouted letting Cons sweep in in 2010 just disgusts me.

Right to Wage Slavery!!! ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink





The war on unions a free press and whistle-blowers is a further extension of the corpoRAT program to rule.

[-] 2 points by WSmith (1762) 0 minutes ago

I think Chief Justice Roberts' head should roll over this, two rotten birds with one impeachment. I just wish Obama had stepped off the podium and bitch slapped Roberts when he smugly sat there and said "NO" when Obama called the crime what it was. (Now they don't attend, which I believe is a, telling, first!!)

I've signed that petition and all it's incarnations months and years ago as they have popped up, since the travesty was perpetrated.

I'm more concerned with the war against Unions and Progressive Media!! ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


Yes, the Class War that we're still losing!!!


Right to Wage Slavery!!!


PEOPLE - Support Move To Amend - as one good step in the right direction.


Yes, we need to end CU, but we seem to be able to work around it. Or perhaps it hasn't had time to get up to speed.

News Media, including the internet, are being attacked. That's where we find stuff out. If we don't know anything, ahem, CU will be moot.

[+] -6 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 8 years ago

Thing is - that though many hate it(?) - they as of yet do not recognize the source.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (1762) 2 minutes ago

The truth is even rank and file Cons hate CU.

In a way, it helps the left to have it in effect. Just like legalized abortion helps the right. In a crazy way, they may even cancel each other out!! ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


True - communications are essential - and we must support efforts to protect our internet. The Move To Amend Campaign has made some very good progress in this last year and it is close to a critical mass in the push for success - and that success could be huge in addressing other roadblocks.

The success for Move to Amend may be that 1st step in breaking the back of corpoRAT rule.






The truth is even rank and file Cons hate CU.



Forecast the Facts (info@forecastthefacts.org)

Thank you for calling on CNBC to stop spreading climate denial and start reporting the facts! Over 27,000 people have signed on so far. And on Friday, Joe Kernen attacked us on his show, saying those who acknowledge climate change are “enviro-socialists” in a “bona fide cult”.

This campaign is exactly what Forecast the Facts is about: empowering Americans to hold public figures accountable for climate denial. CNBC can’t be considered a legitimate news source while one of their hosts calls climate science a "cult." But Kernen’s statements alone aren’t going to discredit CNBC. We need more great folks like you to stand up for accurate climate information.

Can you help reach our goal of 30,000 signatures by forwarding the email below to 5 of your friends?

Or click here to share online. Thank you for helping build this important campaign, and welcome to Forecast the Facts.

  • Emily

CNBC didn't air one minute of President Obama's climate speech, continuing a disturbing pattern of ignoring and denying climate science. Sign the petition to demand CNBC stop denying climate change immediately.

On Tuesday, CNBC was the only cable network that refused to run even one minute of the President’s major climate change speech. Sadly, this is just the latest example of the network's egregious climate reporting. A recent Media Matters study found that over half of CNBC's climate science coverage has cast doubt on climate science since the beginning of 2013.

This is the kind of climate coverage we expect from Fox News, not a subsidiary of NBC.

In the wake of the president's speech, it's a crucial time to show that Americans urgently support regulations to reduce carbon pollution, and that we won't stand for climate change denial on mainstream outlets like CNBC.

If enough viewers speak out, we can force CNBC to change its tune, or risk a major hit to its journalistic credibility. That's why we are joining with our allies at Environmental Action to demand CNBC end its climate denial immediately.

Join us by telling CNBC to report the facts, not misinformation about climate science.

Since January, CNBC has featured a parade of climate deniers like Joe Kernen, co-host of Squawk Box, who compared climate scientists to "high priests" whose work should not be trusted; William Happer, who chairs the fossil-fuel funded George C. Marshall Institute and wrote “how little correlation warming has with concentrations of carbon dioxide”; host Larry Kudlow, who says that "climate change is not man-made” and could be caused by the sun; and contributor Rick Santelli who refers to climate change as a “myth”.

Tuesday was a major day in the history of the United States, as President Obama unveiled his second term climate plans. The speech had some positive elements, like a plan to regulate emissions from power plants, and real problems—like a continued embrace of the climate-destroying all-of-the-above energy policy. But the fact that a major business network like CNBC didn’t even see fit to run the speech, and continues to deny the basic reality of climate change, is a sign of how far our country is from the political consensus on the need for action.

We can change that, and CNBC is a great place to start. Right-wing outlets like Fox News have long given up the semblance of honest journalism. But CNBC remains a legitimate journalistic outlet under the banner of NBCUniversal. NBC is the network of journalistic legends like Tom Brokaw, Tim Russert, and David Brinkley. They have a reputation to uphold, and climate change denial is a stain on that reputation.

But there's only one thing that will force CNBC to change its tune: a massive outcry from everyday folks like us who refuse to stand for one more day of climate denial.

Please join us and insist that CNBC stop Joe Kernen and other on-air personalities from reporting climate change denial and to start reporting the facts.

Factually yours, Emily, Brad, Daniel, Claire, and the rest of the Forecast the Facts Team


Report: Climate Change is Bad for Business, Media Matters http://act.forecastthefacts.org/go/215?t=7&akid=111.92259.Pqhn3C

Video: Meet the CNBC Figures Dismissing Climate Science, Media Matters http://act.forecastthefacts.org/go/216?t=9&akid=111.92259.Pqhn3C

Hayward: Crisis in Climate Science, The Kudlow Report  http://act.forecastthefacts.org/go/217?t=11&akid=111.92259.Pqhn3C


Added to the letter: "Pull your heads out of the sand - take a good long look at REALITY. 97% of Climate Scientist's ARE NOT WRONG."


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Just two weeks ago, President Obama delivered a landmark speech where he outlined what his administration will do to make good on his promise to place climate change at the top of his second-term agenda. It was a call to action for his administration and for the nation, but he also reminded us that the Senate has a part to play:


  • President Obama, June 25, 2013

Tell Sen. Al Franken and Sen. Amy Klobuchar that America heard the president's rallying cry and we're ready to move forward on climate -- starting with putting the right person in charge of the EPA.

The cornerstone of the president's climate plan is a new set of EPA safeguards against climate-disrupting carbon emissions from coal plants. The best way to make sure those protections are put into place quickly is to make sure the EPA is fully staffed and ready to get to work.

And that's not all. The EPA is also considering historic protections against coal waste in our water, along with other safeguards to protect our air, water, and communities from big polluters. They'll also advise the president as he decides whether or not to approve the dangerous Keystone XL pipeline.

It's a lot to take on, but with her long track record and results-oriented approach, there's no doubt that Gina McCarthy can hit the ground running. She's ready to shoulder these responsibilities. Are your senators ready to shoulder theirs?

Remind your senators that Minnesota is ready for an EPA leader who will fight for clean air, clean water, and a healthy environment!

From historic new fuel efficiency standards that save us money at the pump to life-saving safeguards against soot, mercury and other toxics, Gina McCarthy has been on the front lines of our most critical public health battles. She has proven that she has what it takes to stand up for clean air, safe water, and the health of our communities. Now that Congress has returned to Washington, it's time for the Senate to confirm her as the new head of the EPA.

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Some climate deniers deserve a tin foil hat for their nuttiness. Oklahoma Rep. Jim Bridenstine, on the other hand, needs a tin foil Snuggie.

Jim_Bridenstine_EM.pngLast week, the Republican rookie rep gave a speech on the House floor demanding President Obama apologize to his constituents for funding research on climate change.*

This -- despite the fact that 97 percent of all scientific studies on climate change conclude that the earth is getting hotter -- and faster -- than it would due to normal climate cycles . . . that the increase is thanks to man-made carbon emissions from energy and industrial production . . . and that unless we make serious cuts to these emissions right away we will see disastrous climate consequences worldwide this century that will be irreversible for more than a thousand years.

Unfortunately, Bridenstine is part of a large contingent of tin foil hat-wearing members of Congress who deny the overwhelming consensus of scientists worldwide, and unless we change that we will not get any action to reverse global warming. Please sign our petition today demanding Bridenstine and the rest admit climate change is real and, more importantly, to start doing something about it.

Scientists are panicking, which is not their nature, because they've spent two decades warning us that global warming is happening and will have dire consequences, yet the world's elected leaders have done almost nothing about it. Just six years ago, a worldwide conference on climate change made a range of predictions about temperature increases and the impact on sea levels, and today scientists are saying that our collective inaction has turned their worst-case scenarios from 2007 into the most likely scenario.

So what is that scenario? A six degree Celsius average increase in temperatures worldwide, a melting of almost all global sea ice and glaciers, and a sea level rise as high as 7 metres, spawning larger and more frequent hurricanes and extreme weather in places not used to seeing such events.

It's likely that Bridenstine is too busy being wined and dined by fossil fuel lobbyists to actually read any of the science, and it is probable that he could care less what the scientists have to say. Which is why he was able to say this with a straight face on the House floor Tuesday: “Even climate change alarmists admit the number of hurricanes hitting the U.S. and the number of tornado touchdowns have been on a slow decline for over 100 years."

Uh, no. In fact that is the exact opposite of what scientists are saying. For example, Tom Karl, director of the National Climatic Data Center, says this: “What we can say with confidence is that heavy and extreme precipitation events often associated with thunderstorms and convection are increasing and have been linked to human-induced changes in atmospheric composition.”

In a survey of 29,000 scientists published this year, less than 1 percent denied that humans were the primary cause of climate change.

Despite all these fact, Bridenstine thinks Obama should apologize for spending money on research into what scientists say will change life for every living creature on the planet in ways that make Superstorm Sandy and the Oklahoma tornado look tame.

Please sign today and let Congress know America wants to end the climate silence and starting addressing climate change.

Thank you for helping save the planet,

Colin Whitworth Environmental Action


AHhhh - I see the climate change ( global warming ) denying shills are in the house - Or is that just U trashy-can?


Please stop fracking - do not be silent.










Thanks for fighting fracking.

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What I added:

To Continue May I add: Fossil Fuel is destroying our environment - poisoning our air, land and water. The poisons released are causing disease and death - cancer is sky rocketing in the population - and fossil fuel has caused it's share. It is also destroying our climate = Global Warming Climate Change = Turbulent weather - Storms rain and snow - tornadoes - floods - and drought.

The President says he agrees with the climate science scientist's - That We have to stop using/burning fossil fuel. The climate scientists say we are at a point in the pollution level and the earth's warming that the process could go out of all control - we have next to none for control now - only thing we can do - is to stop polluting and let the atmosphere slowly recover. The scientists say we are about to set off a chain reaction - where our stopping pollution will not matter as the earth will finish the job.

Now considering what science is telling us and the president saying that he believes the science.

What is the president doing - opening up more land for fossil fuel extraction?

It is INSANE. 1st of all We do not need it ( we are in a glut ). Besides having alternative technology Clean/Green technology for Power generation - heating - cooling - to power industry as well as for taking care of All our transportation needs on land sea and air.

We also are currently in a market GLUT situation for fossil fuel. We do not need more at this time. It is being exported - for profit - not need - notice also - we have so much right now that they "fossil fuel" is exporting - but the cost to the consumer keeps going up - does that not defy economics? But that last is still irrelevant as we can not continue using fossil fuel. Science Tells Us - The President agrees and also Tells us.

So why is more land being opened up to extract fossil fuel? It is killing us with poisons already - poisons in the Air Land and Water - add in the fact that the global warming process is about to go out of control. ASK YOURSELF - Why are we continuing to go after what is not needed going after it for profit purposes only. When it has already been declared that we can not continue doing this.

Get real - stop fracking now - seriously commit to implementing alternative energy - CLEAN ENERGY - Spend stimulus money there - NOW - and get people back to work while saving the planet.


''Scientists Say Humans Are Causing Global Climate Change'' :

''A study shows that more than 97% of scientists believe humans are the main drivers of climate change.'' & thanx for all your input of info and links on this thread. Solidarity ~*~

non nobis solum ...


Ralph Nader : ''Perils of the Keystone XL Pipeline Confront Obama'' ;


''Obama approving the pipeline makes it happen. While promising collateral offsets by Obama is nothing more than the Obamamania of hope. We know how far hope travelled since Obama became president and never had to worry about political competitors on the ballot, including third parties, attracting votes to environmental and other progressive causes. There are lessons that McKibben may have to explain to his 350.org followers.'' & thanx for your highly relevant, excellent but troubling link.

tempus fugit ...


and of course, there's the CATO/Koch libe(R)tarian reaction.


It'z good for plantz.


So every thing is OK?

[-] 1 points by JackPulliam3rd (205) 8 years ago

400 ppm is insane. Anything going on in Detroit to help out? Seems like the US auto industry has to be carrying the lion's share of blame here. Thank god i haven't owned a car in decades.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

You're insane.

That's the truth about it.

[-] 2 points by JackPulliam3rd (205) 8 years ago

Mother Earth sheds a tear every time a new car rolls off an assembly line.

Please don't make Mother Earth cry.


somebody just got themselves a twinkle!



Wake up and smell the puke.

Scrape off the lumps, the rest will dry.


I'll probably get yelled at, but some among us aren't afraid to call 'em as they see 'em.



No, no need for any yelling lol & thanx for the great links & ergo :

spero meliora ...


Where's the deniers?

They seem to have changed tactics.


They're all buying Guns and Ammo ; having Tea Parties ; watching Fox-Snewzzz and sucking Kochs !!!

As for ''tactics'' - they have none !! Only ass exposing, head in sand, 'lemming-meets-ostrich' behaviour !

verum ex absurdo ...


It's like playing whack a mole around here........................:)

Bop 'em on the head about one thing and they disappear and pop up elsewhere on another subject, under another nameplate.


Got to spread the word. Keeping this post active while sharing the information out on twitter and in responding to active groups. Well it's a natural good thing to do.

Keep-on Keeping-on


"Climate Change : Human Disaster Looms, Claims New Research'' by Fiona Harvey :

''Forecast global temperature rise of 4C a calamity for large swaths of planet even if predicted extremes are not reached'' & yep, ''Got to spread the word. Keep-on Keeping-on'' & solidarity.

ni quid nimis ...

[-] 1 points by wittlelittlecloud (-83) 8 years ago

Why do you think Americans stopped caring about science?


You're still avoiding those questions. Or did you forget?


I'll give at least a partial answer to yours, in hopes that you will come clean and answer mine.




DKAtoday ‏@DKAtoday

Climate change: human disaster looms, claims new research http://gu.com/p/3gxxg/tw via @guardian View summary




Deep sea methane hydrate release due to both warming and altered salinity causing gyre shift is an aspect of the potential feedback loop [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate ] to consider.

fiat lux ...


De-Gassing the Soft Drink Biz

This week the Sierra Club launched its Future Fleet campaign to clean up corporate vehicle fleets, starting with PepsiCo, Coca-Cola, and Dr Pepper Snapple Group, which together own and operate more than 100,000 vehicles.

Oil use accounts for more than 40 percent of our climate-disrupting pollution, and the biggest customers for oil are large companies guzzling huge amounts of fuel -- including oil from tar sands refineries. By getting these three corporate fleets to prioritize fuel efficiency and get off of tar sands oil, we can reduce the demand for oil, curb emissions, increase transportation choices, and slow the development of tar sands.

Send an email to the heads of Pepsi, Coke, and Dr. Pepper and tell them to slash their oil use.

[-] -2 points by fanya9 (-2) 8 years ago

Yep climate "change", is happening. Just like it has for the past 4 billion years. But don't worry folks. Liberals know how to control Earths temperature. Just give them 100 years and a trillion dollars


Ignorance is bliss until it bites you on the ass !!! Have you opened a single link here ?!! I'm thinking not !

lux ?

[-] -2 points by danya8 (-98) 8 years ago

Self loathing liberals, like Hansen, and his sheep following his big LIE,suffering anguish and hand-wringing, for living on planet Earth. Rationalizing we must suffer for our sins of ....existing.

The answer?? (one that only a liberals could concoct). Levying the biggest tax ever in the history of America. A never ending FAKE tax, buying invisible credits, to to save the planet.

Liberals shriek. "PLEASE...PLEASE..TAX me again and again for my sins"


Thanx for your brain fart !! Here's one just for you and your 'head in the sand ; ass in the air' ilk :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] -2 points by Einsatzgruppen1 (-56) 8 years ago

And if it doesn't?


I find your moniker offensive !!! You could NOT have picked it without knowing about it !! Shame On You !

For your added information - be advised that I don't really engage with retarded, raving right-wing racists !

Gnothi Seauton ...

[-] -3 points by kendallone (-28) 8 years ago

I find your ideology and opinions offensive,shame on you!!


"Perils of the Keystone XL Pipeline Confront Obama", by Ralph Nader :

Keep bumping my threads & I'll keep adding relevant links - hence thanx for your reactionary, reflexive and retarded response. Why the defence of 'Nazi Boy' ? Are you one and the same ? So - you find my "ideology and opinions" offensive, do you ? Really ?! So - WTF are you doing here, you stupid cunt ?!! 'Offensive' enough for you ?!!!

nosce te ipsum ..


This thread got short shift. I think you will like the added link to what piping dilbit is all about.



Yeah right,you and your bullshit relevant? Resorting to name calling? How predictable.


It's "relevant" enough for you to comment, right dickhead ?! Did you also "predict" this :

It will be noted by readers that you totally fail to disassociate yourself from 'Nazi Boy' ! Are you and s/he one and the same ?!! Good luck re. extracting your certainly empty head, from your probably fat (..x..) !!!

et temet nosce ...


I'm commenting on you not your irrelevant bullshit. Comprehension issues??


You're spewing 'brain farts' NOT commenting, numbnuts !!! "Comprehension issues" ?!! Also it is not so "irrelevant" that you can ignore it though is it - shit-for-brains ?! Are you representating the intellect level of 'denialists' ? If you can read, digest and think at the same time, try :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] -2 points by blacksabre (-40) 8 years ago

EEEEK,...let's all give our money to the Government so the climate will change back to non-warming!!! Money can change the climate??? Go figure!


"Money" is a figment of our collective imagination - the only true cost of something is 'opportunity cost', time, effort and materiel. Money should only ever be a 'means of exchange' - NOT an end in itself !!!

Go figure - http://occupywallst.org/forum/climate-change-is-happening-now-a-carbon-price-mus/#comment-888121 !!

ad iudicium ....

[+] -4 points by blacksabre (-40) 8 years ago

No thanks, you go figure. Many more intelligent people than you have already figured out "Climate Change" is nothing but a bullshit power and money scam.

[-] 4 points by amabokuf (-97) 8 years ago

Great point but it's lost on these drones.


The thing about burying your head in the sand is that it leaves (x) in the air, so expect reality to come along to kick it, sometime soon. If you had any evidence to back up your position - such as it is - you'd have posted at least one link I'd have thought.

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] 3 points by trollneg (27) from Zebulon, NC 8 years ago

Except for projections, cons see nothing of themselves.

Because they project everything negative about themselves, cons know nothing of themselves.


Conservatives would seek to 'conserve' and protect our environment and climate we may think, given the word but nope - 'Con' by name ; Big Con by nature ; Conned by design !!! Further, please also consider :

verum ex absurdo ...