Logs for the Community Meeting Held on 2020-01-04

Posted by: asymptotically / needmonero90


<needmonero90> 0. Introduction
<needmonero90> We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Workgroup Meeting!
<needmonero90> Link to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/424
<ArticMine> Hi
<needmonero90> 1. Greetings
<ajs> hi
<needmonero90> hi
<needmonero90> Anyone else here this fine day? :D
<anhdres> hi
<rehrar> I
<needmonero90> that makes 5! That is more than three
<needmonero90> 2. Community highlights
<needmonero90> See Monero weekly highlights at https://revuo-monero.com
<needmonero90> Cake Wallet android was just released.
<needmonero90> Does anyone have community (non-workgroup) updates to share?
<needmonero90> wait
<needmonero90> didnt mean to send all that at once
<asymptotically> belated greetings from me :)
<needmonero90> Cake Wallet android was just released! Nice work to the cakewallet team, you're going to be a thorn in my side recommending wallets now. I can't just say monerujo without thinking anymore
<needmonero90> diversity!
<endogenic> mymonero android soon
<needmonero90> yeah but who uses mymonero anyways
<SerHack> Hi
<needmonero90> :)
<needmonero90> hello!
<needmonero90> Other than cakewallet, do we have any community updates to share?
<endogenic> needmonero90: a lot of mrl members use it
<endogenic> we dont even have to pay them
<rottensox> lol.
<needmonero90> I've been checked out the past week or two due to family and holiday considerations, so I have no updates from the moderation side of things
<rottensox> o/
<needmonero90> \o
<msvb-mob> o/
<rottensox> msvb-mob is here!
<rottensox> k, let's go to point 3 then.
<needmonero90> 3. CCS updates!
<needmonero90> research funding for 2020 Q1 (575.5 / 695 XMR) https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/sarang-2020-q1.html
<needmonero90> The MRL are the grease that keeps our wheels turning, without them we would rapidly grind to a halt
<needmonero90> If you're reading this, and want to contribute to Monero, the MRL is one of the biggest impact things you can donate to
<rottensox> aye.
<needmonero90> Don't think, just do
<needmonero90> 3 months part time work on Getmonero.org (5.3 / 174 XMR)
<needmonero90> I don't have the link handy atm
<needmonero90> Who is this for, rehrar?
<rottensox> ErCiccione[m], i reckon.
<rehrar> ye
<needmonero90> Aha
<SerHack> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/ErCiccione-website-jan-march.html
<needmonero90> Great, thank you
<rehrar> sure
<rehrar> fund both
<needmonero90> The getmonero website is the portal to the hearts and minds of the masses, and if it isn't pretty and functional, we're going to lose people before they've even started
<needmonero90> Not everyone is a power user who can spend hours diving for the data they need, erciccione is doing valuable work too :)
<needmonero90> Also localization, that's big too
<needmonero90> Any other CCS comments before moving on?
<SerHack> Anyone who contributes to Monero and its community is doing valuable work.
<needmonero90> Agree
<rottensox> :)
<needmonero90> Okay, moving on!
<needmonero90> 4. Workgroup report
<needmonero90> a. Daemon/CLI workgroup
<needmonero90> There were some new networking developments and discussions about how to better communicate between the daemon/wallet and an anonymity network
<needmonero90> I presume this is in reference to a swappable layer like tor or i2p
<needmonero90> Would certainly make things easier
<needmonero90> Anyone here who participated in that discussion?
* needmonero90 may be going too quickly
<needmonero90> Is this too fast?
<rehrar> no
<rehrar> nobody typically responds to anything anyways
<ArticMine> No it is fine
<rehrar> #monerocommunity
<rottensox> exactly…
<rottensox> just keep on going.
<rottensox> these meetings are pretty much a refreshing stance of things…
<midipoet> are we done yet?
<needmonero90> Yep, still, I don't want a recorded log of my incompetence :)
<rottensox> no lol.
<midipoet> so slow
<rottensox> you're a sweetheart cutie needmonero90.
<rottensox> xoxo
<rottensox> lol midipoet.
<needmonero90> b. Localization workgroup
<needmonero90> ErCiccione any update?
<needmonero90> I assume he isn't present
<rehrar> don't think he's here today. Didn't even comment on his CCS proposal when up for "discussion"
<needmonero90> Due to the previous ping
<rehrar> Sorry. I'm trying to act like a typical peanut gallery to give you the real experience needmoney90
<needmonero90> c. GUI workgroup
<needmonero90> There was a point release (no binaries yet for the newbs) https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/releases/tag/v0.15.0.3
<rehrar> yeah, I saw that the other day
<rehrar> selsta?
<needmonero90> Wen binaries
<selsta> no idea
<selsta> :)
<needmonero90> What got fixed and added?
<needmonero90> I assume just fixed
* needmonero90 waits a bit
<selsta> See the release notes, mostly bug fixes and a new blur effect when the wallet it locked.
<selsta> Also there were crashes which are now fixed.
<rehrar> blur effects
<rehrar> it also says that the sidebar was redone?
<needmonero90> Blur effects are big
<needmonero90> Game changer
<rottensox> stealth mode.
<sgp_> We need a better name for blur effects. Something easier to shill
<rottensox> invisible mode.
<sgp_> Nice
<needmonero90> Oh you're back
<selsta> anyway no ETA for bins
<sgp_> Kinda, on mobile
<selsta> can be weeks if there will be any lol
<selsta> hopefully
<rottensox> .soon
<monerobux> Two weeks™
<selsta> (not xiphon’s fault, he had bins ready almost 2 weeks ago)
<rehrar> selsta, you're the new binary guy?
<needmonero90> Xiphon*
<selsta> no
<rehrar> oh. So what are we waiting on?
<needmonero90> Moon
<rehrar> bf to sign and someone to put on the site?
<rehrar> who are we waiting on right now?
<selsta> core team can comment on this if they want
<selsta> Snipa will do builds going forward
<selsta> but he has no env yet
<selsta> so no ETA
<rehrar> gotcha
<needmonero90> Alright, time to move on?
<rottensox> ye.
<needmonero90> d. Outreach workgroup
<needmonero90> The RPC-Pay and Chinese perspective articles are nearly ready to go
<needmonero90> Oops
<needmonero90> OK, is anyone from outreach here?
<rottensox> thunderosa
<rottensox> xmrhaelan is usually around too, but seem like they're idle…
<needmonero90> [crickets]
<thunderosa> Yes, we're putting the final touches on both.
<rottensox> there ya go.
<needmonero90> Hey!
<thunderosa> Hey
<needmonero90> What are the articles on? Specifically the second one
<thunderosa> The plan is to drop the Chinese piece tomorrow am….TBD on the RPC-Pay piece,…we were looking at putting press support on that one.
<needmonero90> OK! Looking forward to reading them when they come out.
<thunderosa> Hey sorry,…didn't catch that it was a meeting
<thunderosa> So Chinese Persepective piece, Chinese author:
<thunderosa> https://www.monerooutreach.org/monero-china-west.php
<thunderosa> https://www.monerooutreach.org/1-01/2020-003.php
<thunderosa> We're wanting to publish both languages at once,…so we're getting our Chinese side in shape.
<rottensox> :D
<thunderosa> https://www.monerooutreach.org/stories/RPC-Pay.php
<thunderosa> We'd especially like critical feedback on the RPC-Pay piece.
<thunderosa> There's more technical content in that one and we want to make sure we're accurate in all things.
<needmonero90> I'll take a look after the meeting
<selsta> moo should read he RPC pay article
<needmonero90> Is that it for outreach updates?
<thunderosa> Ah shit there's a whole bunch of stuff,…but I'm really not prepared :)
<needmonero90> That's fine!
<rehrar> just type a thi8ng or two
<thunderosa> We're working on implementing the RPC-Pay stuff,…using Primo and using that to incentivize contributors
<thunderosa> Basically a straight up rev share for anyone who makes cool stuff
<thunderosa> I'll have a better report in a few weeks,…but that's the big push right now.
<needmonero90> Primo is the hashing micropayment system right?
<thunderosa> Thinking that the community calendar and merhcant directory could also reward it's contributors and maintainers.
<thunderosa> Yeah
<thunderosa> it's an Apache module
<thunderosa> We're getting out node up and then we're going to plug that baby in
<thunderosa> and see if it s works like we think it might
<needmonero90> So it's in beta atm?
<thunderosa> By next week we should have a proof on concept,..it's involving a server migration and stuff so that's bogging things down a bit. But the other side is looking good.
<sgp_> Can someone make an aggregate RPC-Pay program where payments can be allocated to a user ID that's registered with the system? Is that possible?
<thunderosa> Pre-beta :)
<needmonero90> Ooo
<thunderosa> Yeah, that's the idea,..we're data based in our content
<thunderosa> and the CRM can track the traffic share with no problem
<sgp_> Then it effectively serves as a mining pool. Very cool thunderosa
<thunderosa> and any author can claim their share or donate it to a workgroup or devs or whatever
<thunderosa> kinda,..I hadn't thought of it that way,…but you're right,…it's a content mining pool
<rottensox> fun stuff.
<thunderosa> if it works,..I thought MoneroMemes could try it out too
<thunderosa> I'll be setting up a repo in the next few weeks,…it'll all be there.
<needmonero90> Cool!
<thunderosa> seems like we're doing other stuff too,..but that's the big unifying thing right now and all I got for an update :)
<needmonero90> Alright great, onwards!
<needmonero90> 36C3
<needmonero90> The 36c3 was a success in many ways, attracting large crowds. All talks were streamed here: https://youtube.com/c/monerocommunityworkgroup
<monerobux> [ Monero Community Workgroup - YouTube ] - youtube.com
<rottensox> hmm?
<rottensox> i thought it was hardware next…
<xmrhaelan> I came on to find hyc and saw this. Thanks Thunderosa!
<rottensox> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/424
<needmonero90> That's f
<needmonero90> In my list
<rottensox> lol. alrite.
<needmonero90> E is 36c3 unless sgp_ linked the wrong text
<needmonero90> To me
<needmonero90> Anyways
<midipoet> what stops primo from being deployed maliciously (sorry if stupid question)
<needmonero90> How was 36c3?
<kinghat> finally made it through all the talks. now i need to go back and watch the defcon talks. is there an official playlist or just the one sgp_ put together?
<needmonero90> Oh back up
<sgp_> I made the notes in haste, sorry
<ajs> 54 talks, 21 hours of content
<sgp_> kinghat: the events were recorded locally but need to be sliced
<needmonero90> Sorry midipoet, I moved too quickly
<rottensox> oof.
<sgp_> I offered to slice them if I get the raw files
<sgp_> But I don't have them
<midipoet> no, that's ok… continue on. just processing the primo / RPC-Pay info
<sgp_> kinghat: for Defcon, use the official Decfoncobference YouTube channel playlist
<sgp_> *conference
<needmonero90> Decfon
<needmonero90> Lol
<kinghat> this was the playlist i bookmarked: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsSYUeVwrHBm0oAEyRxZIMFxCwNNmybBH
<monerobux> [ Defcon 2019 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
<sgp_> Lol
<needmonero90> That mobile keyboard
<sgp_> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9fPq3eQfaaBiCOF12ZYejtj21sI1jm0I
<monerobux> [ DEF CON 27 Monero Village - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
<sgp_> Use that one
<needmonero90> I have yet to see any of the c3 talks
<rottensox> aye.
<rottensox> needmonero90: highly recommend first day, thoroughly.
<rottensox> was a great one.
<needmonero90> Any specifics?
<rottensox> all to be honest, but closing keynote by daniel was outstanding.
<rottensox> bummed he didn't finish all the slides…
<rottensox> 2nd day i just caught the last two talks, and they were good as well.
<rottensox> the rest i haven't watched.
<kinghat> sgp_: are these not "sliced up" or ami missing something?
<rottensox> too much content to catch up with.
<needmonero90> Story of my life, rotten
<kinghat> just give your life an RSS
<rottensox> i am the man of rss feeds sir.
<rottensox> okokok we're digressing.
<rottensox> what's next?
<rottensox> needmonero90: these two from day 2, were good. https://frab.riat.at/en/36C3/public/events/123.html https://frab.riat.at/en/36C3/public/events/163.html
<ajs> locally recorded video will be sliced into individual presentations and uploaded to ccc media server. no word on ETA.
<rottensox> as i said, the two closing talks of day 2.
<rottensox> ajs based. thank you very much for the livestream and a/v stuff. don't think these events would be as great if it weren't because of you.
<rottensox> round of applauses for papa ajs.
<msvb-mob> <clap><clap>
<rottensox> nm90 went mia? lol.
<needmonero90> sorry
<needmonero90> stepped away from my keyboard for a moment
<ajs> thanks, but most of the hard work was done by a pro videographer and sound sound engineer that helped out
<rottensox> nice, glad to hear that.
<needmonero90> so, msvb-mob msvb-lab you there?
<msvb-mob> Yes.
<needmonero90> great
<needmonero90> f. Hardware workgroup
<msvb-mob> The hardware team reports late stage beta mechanical engineering, where FDM prin
<msvb-mob> ts of a enclosure are finished and injection moulding design as well.
<msvb-mob> In parallel, work is in mid stage (about a month left) of product development and packaged documentation.
<msvb-mob> That's all, remember there is a #monero-hardware channel for questions and answe
<msvb-mob> rs. Any questions on mechanical engineering or product development?
<rottensox> msvb-mob: how are the things looking like for the dev kit of kastelo, sir?
<rottensox> msvb-mob: are you alright? i was bummed when you didn't show up for your 36c3 talk. :(
<msvb-mob> rottensox: Good, we're in product development which includes a lot of boring things like country of origin, taxes, certificates, exceptions, and logistics.
<msvb-mob> That's in product development, I mean.
<rottensox> oof, all the paperwork… can only imagine.
<rottensox> thanks for doing that though.
<msvb-mob> My 36C3 talk was not accepted, unfortunately.
<rottensox> oh, i see.
<msvb-mob> Any questions regarding the stages of hardware engineering we are in now?
<rehrar> Your talk at the CDC was accepted and you were on the schedule.
<msvb-mob> rehrar: I mean it was not accepted to me, no acceptance message of any kind.
<rehrar> Ah, I see.
<needmonero90> :(
<needmonero90> so the hardware workgroup is currently working on what? kastello, badges for defcon?
<needmonero90> any other neat projects in the works?
<msvb-mob> needmonero90: Right now no badges (except outside of the Monero Community.) Just Kastelo.
<ArticMine> You had to log into frab.riat.at and check
<msvb-mob> needmonero90: Other projects are outside Monero scope, so nothing to report.
<msvb-mob> ArticMine: My proposal was erased from frab.
<msvb-mob> It was probably rejected, but I never received a rejection message either.
<ArticMine> Before or after the talk time?
<msvb-mob> needmonero90: Konferenco is next.
<rottensox> yeah… let's move on, shall we?
<needmonero90> ok!
<ArticMine> ok
<rottensox> none of what we say we'll roll back time and make it happen.
<needmonero90> g. Konferenco workgroup
<needmonero90> progress is slow and ongoing
<msvb-mob> First, remember that there is a #monero-konferenco channel for detailed conversa
<msvb-mob> tions.
<needmonero90> I haven't been involved in the conversation, I need to tune in
<msvb-mob> Scouting venues for the Konferenco 2020 has mostly concluded, and the results are reported in project management task number 40.
<msvb-mob> https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-konferenco/task/40/
* rottensox clicks
<msvb-mob> A lot of details are not public, like the exact prices and conditions for each venue. This information is offered to the person who takes the boss role, CEO or whatever.
<rehrar> Are these details not public at the request of the venues?
<msvb-mob> Including many megaoctets (giga?) of photos and media.
<needmonero90> None require catering, right?
<msvb-mob> rehrar: Other way around, to publish details I need to get permission from about twenty people who are sometimes responsive only after three weeks of repetition emails.
<msvb-mob> needmonero90: I think only one venue requires in house catering, let me try to find out which one…
<rehrar> Ah, you are taking the stance of privacy first unless given permission to share these details by the venues
<needmonero90> private by default is the monero way
<msvb-mob> Kulturbrauerei requires in house catering, like about 4500 EUR of costs.
<rehrar> yes, but if they didn't request this info be private, then it hinders the planning to not share imo
<rehrar> I'm certain that anyone else who would make a request would get prices and stuff all the same
<needmonero90> its a courtesy thing, this is their business model
<rehrar> I see.
<msvb-mob> rehrar: I assume that nobody will offer to lead the project and that there will be no Konferenco 2020 for that reason. As soon as a boss appears, they can choose to publish all the nonpublic information (at great risk to our common future of course.)
<needmonero90> Either that or we decide on bounds for pricing and capacity, and trust the organizer to optimize for venue
<msvb-mob> I really don't think there will be a Konferenco 2020, but I'm going to keep distilling and perfecting our venue scouting information until a final report as well as party place and accommodation hotel is clearly chosen.
<rehrar> In the event that nobody offers to lead the project for Europe, I and potentially others will make an attempt to make it happen in the USA or Mexico. :)
<needmonero90> if rehrar is in, he's gonna rope me into it to
<rehrar> EU peeps step up plz. ;)
<msvb-mob> rehrar: Do you have a strategy for not waiting too long (for a European leader to appear) so that a north american event is not too late in planning and therefore cancelled as well?
<rehrar> Wait until end of Q1
<kinghat> msvb-mob: maybe you could do some version of your talk in an upcoming coffee chat?
<rehrar> if nothing, plan for Q3 or Q4.
<msvb-mob> kinghat: I'm already scheduled to do the same talk at Disobey 2020 and FOSDEM.
<binaryFate> shit schoolboy mistake with time, missed meeting
<rehrar> Even if nobody steps up for this year, all the info you've gathered is still valuable msvb-mob. It can be available for whoever wants to run one in Europe in later years.
<kinghat> very cool msvb-mob 👍
<msvb-mob> rehrar: Sounds good, the schedule method. To not wait too long.
<msvb-mob> needmonero90: Next topic?
<needmonero90> 5. Open ideas time
<msvb-mob> …or does ajs have any reporting on Konferenco, as he has done a lot of work as well?
<needmonero90> we're running a bit over, so I think we can skip this part
<msvb-mob> binaryFate: You're fired.
<binaryFate> I can comment on GUI builds after meeting is over if anyone is interested
<needmonero90> 6. Confirm next meeting date/time
<needmonero90> The next community meeting will be in 2 weeks on 18 January at 17:00 UTC.
<needmonero90> The next Coffee Chat is on Saturday January 11 at 17:00 UTC. sgp_ will not be present, so he will need someone else to host. Please DM him if you can help, it will probably end up being rehrar or myself.
<ajs> I've made some a/v inquiries and set up a telegram group at https://t.me/joinchat/PmC9ihaLP0UZF-bfkD36CA
* needmonero90 waits for the konferenco discussion to finish
<needmonero90> sorry, I keep moving on and then people come back :)
<rehrar> I always do this
<ajs> to continue talk on konferenco, pop in #monero-konferenco or the telegram group
<needmonero90> thanks :)
<rottensox> <msvb-mob> kinghat: I'm already scheduled to do the same talk at Disobey 2020 and FOSDEM.
<rottensox> wow, do link us to such talks when they get posted on their respective schedules, please.
<rottensox> will gladly tune in the livestream or recorded individual links.
<needmonero90> ok guys, meeting is running 15m over :)
<needmonero90> I think that covers most of it, we can finish the rest of the discussion afterwards.
<needmonero90> I need to get food
<sgp_> Thanks so much needmonero90!
<needmonero90> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/tZfeu1nj/
<needmonero90> oops
<needmonero90> 7. Conclusion

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