Complete proof of Srila Prabhupada approving the post samadhi initiation system (Message of Godhead,1955)

Complete proof of Srila Prabhupada approving
the ritvik initiation system (Message of Godhead,1955)

Hare Krsna. All glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
The following paragraph below completely refutes the Living Guru Experimental Project ideas. It is known how the LGEP has deceived all its followers for over 43 years since 1978. It is falsely perceived that the connection with Srila Prabhupada can only be established via the so-called self appointed “living Gurus”. Nowhere do we find even a single statement that the spiritual master ceases to exist after he leaves his body. Instead, we find all statements contradictory to the previous supposition. 
Here is a snippet taken from Srila Prabhupada’s article called “Message of Godhead” published in 1955 in which it is stated clearly that When one thus becomes interested in the permanent happiness of the permanent soul, he becomes a disciple of Santan Goswami or a real Sanatanist, i.e., the transcendentalist.”
Taken from Page 8: Message of Godhead,1955 typed script (Link to the complete article:

Similarly, when we properly accept and follow Srila Prabhupada’s instructions, is it not that we are connected with Srila Prabhupada? 

ISKCON has been publishing volumes of books on how their so called understanding of a living Guru is bonafide and how the Ritvik system is incorrect. Their disciple course also contains a question on why do we need a living Guru, hence directly infecting the brains of innocent people with a misinterpreted doctrine. All this will not make them “Sanatanists”, but turn them into “Satanists” like their misleaders.
Here, Srila Prabhupada explicitly mentions that a person becomes a disciple of Sanatan Goswami when he becomes interested in the permanent happiness of the permanent soul. Where is “living Guru” mentioned here?
Aren’t we then disciples of Srila Prabhupada when we try to follow his instructions exactly as he has given? Why does ISKCON think of a spiritual master from the bodily point of view? When these questions are asked, they either become angry or ignore the matter or write hundreds of books/articles on proving their so-called understanding but cleverly ignoring the real point. 
By making huge propaganda and playing with the philosophy by cutting it into pieces and taking only what they want, they have done their best in hiding the truth. In any case, the truth is not hidden despite all childish attempts.Let us take a simple example to explain this, i.e. the Bhagavad Gita changes that took place after Srila Prabhupada’s physical presence.
The following letter shows that Hayagriva Prabhu has not changed the meaning in “any way”. These people have ignored the first half and cunningly taken the second half trying to justify their corrections. 

I don’t think that Hayagriva is at fault. He has not changed the meaning or the philosophy in any way. But if you like to use the original manuscript, then if it is possible, you can use it. [Letter to Hansadutta written from Honolulu, June 08, 1975]

When it is mentioned clearly that he has not changed the meaning in any way, is it not easily understood that Srila Prabhupada approved the edition? But they want to be the followers of “Ardha Kukkuti Nyaya” or the half hen philosophy which Srila Prabhupada exposed in many of his lectures.
In the same way, they have come up with their imaginations in trying to cover up the truth. They say that Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become Gurus, but was it without a condition of full qualification?
The Ritvik Debate was held in the 1990s by imposing restrictions on the participants to not talk about the qualifications of a Guru.
If we have to go to a physician for a treatment, don’t we see his qualifications? If he simply puts on a white coat and a stethoscope without having the necessary degree, what is his use in treating a patient? The physician is given that title after a proper examination by his college professors who are themselves experts in the medical field. 
The same case applies for becoming a Guru. Unless he is qualified and authorized by the spiritual master, with what audacity does he claim such a highest position? To become a doctor one has to work and study so hard, then to become a sum total of all demigods is no child’s play. The following articles explain what initiation is and who should be given the position of a Guru.

—-Śrī Guru-Tattva and the Secret of Dīkṣā (By: Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura Prabhupāda)

Hare Krishna. Please find attached the above mentioned article.

Great scholars who are expert in spiritual science call the process by which divine knowledge is given and sins are eliminated as diksa.” (Hari-bhakti-vilasa 2.7) (Page 21)

Important points:Rajen Babu: If one does not accept spiritual initiation, is it possible to be aware of any type of spiritual truth (tattva)? Prabhupada: There will be no sravana, and the opposite result of such beneficial things will be attained instead. The duty of light is to remove darkness. If one remains in the midst of darkness, how will it be possible to attain light by allowing darkness to prevail?Acaryatrika Prabhu: A mundane guru considers the mantra only as shabda (sound) and not as sabdi (He who is known by sound) Prabhupada: The mantra is non-different from the sabdi. There is no difference between the aprakrta-sabda (transcendental sound) and sabdi. Sri Guru Tattva and the Secret of Diksa (Part 3) Rajen Babu: Isn’t the kanistha-adhikari qualified to give initiation into the mantra? Srila Sarasvati Prabhupada: Where is the kanishtha-adhikari coming from? Who gave him the adhikara? A kanishtha-adhikari can never become a guru. 
Rajen Babu: Can a madhyama-adhikari give diksa? 
Prabhupada: He can only perform the initial duties of diksa. It is the uttamaadhikari maha-bhagavata Vaisnava who is actually the diksa-guru. There are two types of Vaisnavas – the ragatmika and the raganuga. Those who are from the eternal realm offer service to Sri Krsna directly. These ragatmikas serve Sri Varshabhanavi and Her direct expansions. Those who perform direct service to the ragatmikas and take shelter in them through the performance of smarana are raganugas. These are spiritual gurus.(Page 15)
 Rajen Babu: Can’t a kanistha Vaisnava become a guru? Prabhupada: Kanistha, madhyama and uttama are the gradations amongst Vaisnavas. In the kanistha stage of Vaisnavism, only non-Vaisnavism is absent– this I shall explain in detail a little later. How can we deliberate upon adhikara and define who is a Vaisnava without taking shelter of a sad-guru? Only Gurudeva can explain adhikara. How can one who has never entered the domain of a devotee, who cannot himself understand anything, explain such things to others? If a non-Vaisnava sits on the seat of the guru, it amounts to sheer contempt of gurutattva. guror apy avaliptasya – kāryākāryam ajānataḥ utpatha-pratipannasya – parityāgo vidhīyate If the guru becomes attached to sense gratification, loses his sense of duty, and follows a degraded path, a path other than devotional service to the Lord, he should be rejected. (Mahabharata, Udyoga Parva 179.25)(Page 6)
Sri Guru-Tattva and the Secret of Diksa (Part 2) Srila Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada:  A materialistic Smarta who is opposed to devotion to Krsna should never be considered as a guru. Only one who is most dear to Krsna – krsna-prestha (beloved of Krsna), can be Gurudeva. Externally it may seem to be the same as being under the influence of a mundane guru (laukika) or hereditary guru (kaulika), but in actuality one is never deceived when he seeks refuge at the lotus feet of the guru who is krsna-prestha.
(Page 8)

Rajen Babu: Can we not listen to another Vaisnava? Prabhupada: He should be respected if he is actually a disciple of a real guru. One may listen to those who have heard from a genuine spiritual preceptor. But wherever it is found that there is a conflict in opinion between him and my guru, then to see him as a ‘Vaisnava’ is a sure path leading to hell.  mannathah sri jagannathah mad-guruh sri jagad-guruh “My Lord is Sri Jagannatha and my guru is the universal teacher.” It is not proper to associate with a person who has deviated even minutely from the suddha-bhakti-siddhanta preached by my Guru-Pada-Padma.The basis of hearing from him is that he himself has heard from Sri Nityananda Prabhu. (Pages 18-19)Rajen Babu: Can we fall down even after having taken diksa? Prabhupada: Yes, if we become indolent. Rajen Babu: After diksa, will I notice that the tendency to enjoy material pleasures has decreased? Prabhupada: Of course. divyaṁ jñānaṁ yato dadyāt – kuryāt pāpasya saṅkṣayam tasmād dīkṣeti sā proktā – deśikais tattva-kovidaiḥ “Great scholars who are expert in spiritual science call the process by which divine knowledge is given and sins are eliminated as diksa.” (Hari-bhakti-vilasa 2.7) This diksa never ends.There is also no end to the attacks of bad association. It is not simply a question of receiving the mantra in the ear: viśrambheṇa guroḥ sevā sādhu-vartmānuvartanam “One must serve the spiritual master with intimacy and affection and follow the path of the sadhus.” (Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu 1.2.74) (Pages 20-21)

Srila Prabhupada Guru Tattva

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This is an older article, and rather long, but is full with information, quotes, and insightful analysis, on the most important issues, facing our society, concerning guru tattva, and following the instructions of Srila Prabhupada. Many good quotes and a highly recomended read!

Srila Prabhupada Guru Tattva
By Sriman Harinam Prabhu
June 12, 2006

It is widely known that Srila Prabhupada instituted a ritvik or representative (proxy) initiation system throughout ISKCON as early as 1971 in order to meet the growing need to initiate his disciples worldwide. However what is not widely known is that he instructed his disciples to continue initiating new disciples on his behalf even after his physical disappearance.

He called those disciples who performed the initiation ceremonies ritvik representatives of the acharya (officiating acharyas). Below are quotes directly from Srila Prabhupada for the evidence of these intructions as well as explanations, philosophical insights, and historical background.

       A. Srila Prabhupada’s May 28, 1977 ISKCON Governing Board Commission (GBC) meeting. Notes enclosed in [ ]
Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you’re no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.
[Srila Prabhupada clearly did not state “diksa-guru” nor “acarya” which is a direct repudiation of the successor diksa-guru accepting their own disciples senario in ISKCON.]
Tamala Krsna: Is that called ritvik-acarya?
Prabhupada: Ritvik, yes.
[Srila Prabhupada equates “officiating acarya” with “ritvik” which is the second direct repudiation of the successor diksa-guru senario in ISKCON.]
Satsvarupa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the…
Prabhupada: He’s guru. He’s guru.
Satsvarupa: But he does it on your behalf.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf, on my order… Amara ajnaya guru haia. Be actually guru, but by my order.
[This is the third direct repudiation of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples accepting their own disciples in ISKCON.]
Satsvarupa: So they may also be considered your disciples.
Prabhupada: Yes, they are disciples. Why consider? Who?
[This is the fourth direct repudiation of the successor diksa-guru senario in reply to Satsvarupa’s question.]
Tamala Krsna: No, he’s asking that these ritvik-acaryas, they’re officiating, giving diksa. Their… The people who they give diksa to, whose disciple are they?
[Here Srila Prabhupada ends his conversation with Satvarupa and replies to Tamal’s misunderstanding. Tamal’s misunderstanding is clearly evident as he repeats Satvarupa’s same question which was already clearly answered by Srila Prabhupada. Further, Tamal’s misunderstanding is clear in his saying that ritviks and officiating acaryas give diksa which they clearly don’t, as they merely are representing the uttama-adhikari diksa-guru. Tamal’s misconception of “diksa” and “diksa-guru” is that both diksa-guru and disciple must be physically present for diksa which clearly contradicts Srila Prabhupada’s teachings as pointed out in Part III “Philosophical Basis”.]
Prabhupada: They’re his disciple.
Tamala Krsna: They’re his disciple.
Prabhupada: Who is initiating. He is grand disciple.
Satsvarupa: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: That’s clear.
[Here Tamal draws his own conclusion and foolishly accepts only the sentence (“There’re his disciple.”) which he likes or understands. He ignores Srila Prabhupada’s clear answers to Satvarupa’s previous questions which repudiated the “disciples accepting their own disciples” senario in ISKCON four times and thus Tamal misses Prabhupada’s concluding statement as follows.]
Satsvarupa: Then we have a question concer…
Prabhupada: When I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.
[Here Srila Prabhupada clearly concludes his reply to Tamal and says that his disciples can become regular guru and accept their own disciples only when he orders them to. This clearly indicates that he did not yet give the specific order for his disciples to become regular (diksa) gurus and accept their own disciples in ISKCON in this meeting. He already repeatedly confirmed this fact with his prior repudiation (four times) in reply to Satsvarupa’s original question on what the GBC were to do for 1st and 2nd initiations “when you no longer are with us” as already pointed out. So it is inconceivable that he changes his mind in replying to what is essentially the same question from Tamal vis-a vis, “Whose disciples are they?”. Tamal’s misunderstanding of this crucial meeting was later confirmed in the 1980 Topanga Canyon guru meeting detailed in subsection II.A. Unfortunately as secretary, his deviation was also written into the minutes of the May 28, 1977 meeting.
Furthermore, if someone tells you, “When I order, you jump off the cliff” would you jump? OF COURSE NOT! Clearly, Srila Prabhupada’s use of the word “when” indicates that he did not yet give that order. A month later in his July 9, 1977 worldwide communique (given below) he gave his final orders on future initiations for Iskcon wherein he named 11 disciples to act as “ritvik representatives of the acarya” to initiate future disciples on his behalf “henceforward”.]
            B. June 5, 1977 Will
Section 3: The executive directors who have herein been designated are appointed for life. In the event of death or failure to act for any reason of any of the said directors, a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, provided the new director is my initiated disciple following strictly all the rules and regulations of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness as detailed in my books, and provided that there are never less than three (3) or more than five (5) exeutive directors acting at one time.
(In order to carryout this section of Srila Prabhupada’s will, there must be his initiated disciples present for as long as Iskcon exists, thus necessitating a ritvik system initiating new disciples on his behalf henceforward which was stated in his July 9, 1977 letter to all GBC and temple presidents. This will also confirms the no change status of the ritvik system for after his physical disappearance in his use of the word “henceforward” meaning from now on).
            C. July 9, 1977 worldwide Final Order to all GBC and TP
July 9th, 1977
To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents
Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “rittik”-representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:
• His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
• His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami
• His Holiness Jayapataka Swami
• His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami
• His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami
• His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami
• His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami
• His Holiness Ramesvara Swami
• His Holiness Harikesa Swami
• His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari
• His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari
Hoping this finds you all well.
Your servant,
Tamala Krsna Gosvami
Secretary to Srila Prabhupada
Approved: A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
[Srila Prabhupada’s signature appears on the original]
(Note: There is a reference to the May 28, 1977 meeting in Vrindavan in which Srila Prabhupada replied to a specific question from the GBC on what to do for iniitiations after his physical disappearance. “After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acharyas.” This July 9, 1977 worldwide order sent to all GBCs and temples presidents IS that order of recommendation. Also note Srila Prabhupada states three times that the new initiates are his disciples and that there is no mention of any future contingency that would modify, countermand or terminate this order whatsoever in any way. What was stated is “henceforward” which means from now on. Further this is the only order that actually names individual disciples to officiate the initiation ceremony, gives them their title/tells who’s disciples the initates are, and when they would begin their service.

Srila Prabhupada’s letters to his ritvik representatives up until his physical disappearance also do not indicate any change in this ritvik instruction. (“Now you have a very good field. Now organize it and it will be a great credit. No one will disturb you there. Make your own field and continue to become ritvik and act on my behalf.” July 31, 1977). This July 9, 1977 worldwide order to all GBCs and temple presidents specifically on future initiations in ISKCON is the only one given by Srila Prabhupada. Thus it is rightfully called the final order.)
            A. In the Topanga Canyon guru meeting (December 1980) Tamal Krishna confirmed these misconceptions: “Actually, Prabhupada never appointed any gurus. He didn’t appoint eleven gurus. He appointed eleven ritviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of ritviks as the appointment of gurus.” (ISKCON Journal 1990 page 53). Unfortunately, Tamal Krishna also wrote the minutes of that May 28, 1977 meeting and true to form his imperfect senses, mistakes, illusion, and cheating propensities were unfortunately confirmed.
            B. Pita das, Gauridas Pandit das and Bhakti-siddhanta das personally witnessed Srila Prabhupada explaining his ritvik system for after his physical disappearance.
            C. Yasodanandan’s May 1977 diary quotes Tamal Krishna and Gauridas Pandit stating they had just heard Srila Prabhupada explaining his ritvik system for future initiations.
            D. HH BV Puri Maharaja recollected a conversation (memories#26) Where Srila Prabhupada declared to him that He had appointed 11 Ritviks. HH BV Puri Majaraja said,”You should have appointed only one…..when You are gone, they will not be satisfied as Ritviks, and will declare themselves as “regular” Gurus, and they will fight.”…..Srila Prabhupada replied…”What can I do….IT IS UP TO KRISHNA!”

            E. Some of the 11 ritviks named by Srila Prabhupada (Hamsadutta, Kirtanananda, Ramesvara) also have said they were appointed as ritviks only. 
       A. Definition of diksa does not require physical presence of the diksa-guru
                   1. Prabhupada’s definition of diksa
                               a. “Diksa actually means initiating the disciple with transcendental knowledge by which all material contamination is destroyed.” Caitanya Caritamrta Madhya 4:111 purport)
                               b. “In other words, the spiritual master awakens the sleeping living entity to his original consciousness so that he can worship Lord Visnu. This is the purpose of diksa, or initiation. Initiation MEANS receiving the pure knowledge of spiritual consciousness.” (C.C. Madhya, 9.61, purport)
                               c. “The spiritual master is considered the bottom  firewood and the disciple is the top firewood. The instruction of transcendental knowledge is the fire that spreads and brings happiness.” (SB 11.10.12)
                   2. Jiva Goswami’s definition of diksa “Diksa is the process by which one can awaken his transcendental knowledge and vanquish all reactions caused by sinful activity. A person expert in the study of the revealed scriptures knows this process as diksa.” (Bhakti-sandarbha 283; C.C. Madhya 15:108 purport)
                   3. Sri Krishna’s explanation for approaching a bonafide spiritual master is to acquire transcendental knowledge:
“O chastiser of the enemy, the sacrifice of knowledge is greater than the sacrifice of material possessions. O son of Prtha, after all, the sacrifice of work culminates in transcendental knowledge.”
“And when you have thus learned the truth, you will know that all living beings are but part of Me-and that they are in Me, and are Mine.”
(Bhagavad-gita As It Is 4-33-39)
       B. Srila Prabhupada’s ritvik system was used worldwide for at least 5 years from about 1972 up until his physical disappearance in 1977 without him ever physically seeing many of his disciples which proves that his physical presence is not necessary for him to give diksa to his disciple even after his physical disappearance.
                   1. “My Dear [Disciple 1], Please accept my blessings. Just now I have received some more requests for giving first initiation… and now I am receiving weekly not less than ten to fifteen such requests from new students. So it is becoming very expensive to send so many sets of beads such a long distance, and it has become a little bothersome for me also, so I think now you may be appointed by me to give first initiations to new disciples by chanting on their beads on my behalf. In America [Disciple 2] is doing that. So now if there are two of you, that will give me great relief. [Disciple 2] will chant on the beads for new devotees in America, Canada, like that; you can chant on the beads for the European continent, new disciples. They shall, of course, still be considered as my disciples, not that they shall become your disciples, but you will be empowered by me to chant their beads and that is the same effect of binding master and disciple as if I were personally chanting.
(Letter, January 4, 1973)
       C. Diksa or transcendental knowledge by which all sin is destroyed can be acquired from reading Srila Prabhupada’s books and following his sadhana-bhakti program:
(Letter to Upendra, 7/1/76)


(Letter to Brahmarupa Dasa, 22/11/74)

“There is nothing new to be said. Whatever I had to say, I have already said in my books. Now you must try to understand it and continue with your endeavours. Whether I am present or not does not matter.” (Vrindavan, 17/5/77)

“One should not partially study a book just to pose oneself as a great scholar by being able to refer to scriptures. In our Krishna consciousness movement we have therefore limited our study of Vedic literatures to Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Caitanya-caritamrta, and Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu. These four works are sufficient for preaching purposes. They are adequate for the understanding of the philosophy and the spreading of missionary activities all over the world. If one studies a particular book, he must do so thoroughly. That is the principle. By thoroughly studying a limited number of books, one can understand the philosophy.” (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya 22.118, Purport)
“Simply read my books and repeat what I have written. Then your preaching will be perfect.” (Letter to Ksirodaksayi dated 9-4-75)
“Whatever is to be learned of the teachings of Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura can be learned from our books. There is no need whatsoever for any outside instruction.” (Letters 73-12-25)
“There is no need by any of my disciples to read any books besides my books–in fact, such reading may be detrimental to their advancement in Krishna Consciousness. All reading of outside books, except in certain authorized cases such as for example to read some philosopher like Plato to make an essay comparing his philosophy with Krishna’s philosophy–but otherwise all such outside reading should be stopped immediately. It is simply another botheration. If my students cannot even read my own books thoroughly, why they should read others? I have given you TLC, what need is there to read Caitanya Caritamrta translated by someone else. You are right to stop such reading.” (Letter to Sri Govinda, 20 January, 1972)
       D. Reading his spoken (audio taped) translations and purports is equal to hearing directly: 
“Why distinguish between chanting and book distribution? These books I have recorded and chanted, and they are transcribed. It is spoken kirtanas. So book distribution is also chanting. These are not ordinary books. It is recorded chanting. Anyone who reads, he is hearing.” (74-10-19)
“That is the difference, hearing from devotees, the sound vibration coming from the realized person. Reading the book is the same thing . . . tattva-darsana–hearing from one who has seen the truth. Reading or hearing from the realized person there is no difference, but hearing the sound vibration from the realized soul is still more effective, better.” (Letters 76-04-16)
Paramahamsa: My question is, a pure devotee, when he comments on Bhagavad Gita, someone who never sees him physically, but he just comes in contact with the commentary, explanation, is this the same thing?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. You can associate with Krsna by reading Bhagavad-Gita. And these saintly persons, they have given their explanations, comments. So where is the difficulty? (Morning Walk, Paris 11/6/74)
“Here is the remedy for eliminating all inauspicious things within the heart which are considered to be obstacles in the path of self-realization. The remedy is the association of the Bhagavatas. There are two types of Bhagavatas, namely the book Bhagavata and the devotee Bhagavata. Both the Bhagavatas are competent remedies, and both of them or either of them can be good enough to eliminate the obstacles. A devotee Bhagavata is as good as the book Bhagavata because the devotee Bhagavata leads his life in terms of the book Bhagavata and the book Bhagavata is full of information about the Personality of Godhead and His pure devotees, who are also Bhagavatas. Bhagavata book and person are identical.” (SB 1.2.18 purport)
“This Srimad-Bhagavatam is the literary incarnation of God, and it is compiled by Srila Vyasadeva, the incarnation of God. It is meant for the ultimate good of all people, and it is all-successful, all-blissful and all-perfect.” (Srimad Bhagavatam 1.3.40)
Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu declared that Srimad-Bhagavatam is the spotless sound representation of all Vedic knowledge and history. There are selected histories of great devotees who are in direct contact with the Personality of Godhead. Srimad-Bhagavatam is the literary incarnation of Lord Sri Krsna and is therefore nondifferent from Him. Srimad-Bhagavatam should be worshiped as respectfully as we worship the Lord. Thereby we can derive the ultimate blessings of the Lord through its careful and patient study. As God is all light, all bliss and all perfection, so also is Srimad-Bhagavatam. We can have all the transcendental light of the Supreme Brahman, Sri Krsna, from the recitation of Srimad-Bhagavatam, provided it is received through the medium of the transparent spiritual master. Lord Caitanya’s private secretary Srila Svarupa Damodara Gosvami advised all intending visitors who came to see the Lord at Puri to make a study of the Bhagavatam from the person Bhagavatam Person Bhagavatam is the self-realized bona fide spiritual master, and through him only can one understand the lessons of Bhagavatam in order to receive the desired result. One can derive from the study of the Bhagavatam all benefits that are possible to be derived from the personal presence of the Lord. It carries with it all the transcendental blessings of Lord Sri Krsna that we can expect from His personal contact.
       E. Understanding Srila Prabhupada’s books (Vedanta-sruti) is more important than having his physical presence:
“I thank you very much and all the devotees for offering me a garland daily as you were doing when I was physically present. If a disciple is constantly engaged in carrying out the instructions of the Spiritual Master he is supposed to be constantly in company with hs Spiritual Master. This is called Vaniseva. So there are two kinds of service to the Spiritual Master One is called vaniseva and the other is called vapuseva. Vaniseva means as above mentioned, executing the instructions, and vapuseva means physically or personally rendering service. So in the absence of physical presentation of the Spiritual Master the vaniseva is more important. My Spiritual Master, Sarasvati Gosvami Thakura, may appear to be physically not present, but still because I try to serve His instruction I never feel separated from Him. I expect that all of you should follow these instructions.” (70-08-22)
“I understand that you are feeling my absence. Krishna will give you strength. Physical presence is immaterial; presence of the transcendental sound received from the spiritual master should be the guidance of life. That will make our spiritual life successful. If you feel very strongly about my absence you may place my pictures on my sitting places and this will be source of inspiration for you.” (Letter to Brahmananda and other students, 19/1/67)
(General lectures, 69/01/13)
“Such association with Krsna and the Spiritual Master should be association by vibration not physical presence. That is real association.” (Elevation to Krsna Consciousness,(BBT 1973), Page 57)
(CC Adi 1.35 purport)
“There are two ways of association-by vani and by vapu. Vani means words, and vapu means physical presence. Physical presence is sometimes appreciable and sometimes not, but vani continues to exist eternally. Therefore we must take advantage of the vani, not the physical presence. Bhagavad-gita, for example, is the vani of Lord Krsna. Although Krsna was personally present five thousand years ago and is no longer physically present from the materialistic point of view, Bhagavad-gita continues.”
(CC, Antya 5 Conclusion)
(SB 3:31:48)
“Just Krishna can be present simultaneously in millions of places. Smililarly, the spiritual master can be present wherever the disciple wants. A spiritual master is the principle, not the body. Just like a television can be seen in thousands of places by the principle of relay monitoring.”
(Letter to Malati, 28/5/68)
       F. Chanting Krishna’s holy names is sufficient for attaining spiritual perfection regardless of one’s material circumstance and physical proximity to the diksa guru. Krishna is nondifferent from His names and chanting (sankirtan) reawakens one’s direct eternal relationship with Krishna.
“Simply by chanting the holy name of Krishna once, a person is relieved from all the reactions of a sinful life. One can complete the nine processes of devotional service simply by chanting the holy name. One does not have to undergo initiation or execute the activities required before initiation. One simply has to vibrate the holy name with his lips. Thus even a man in the lowest class [candala] can be delivered.” (Caitanya Caritamrta madhya 15:107,108)
       A. Other vaisnava acaryas support the ritvik system.
                   1. Sri Bannanje Govindacarya: “You have a temple of Prabhupada, and before Prabhupada himself, no others can give diksha and these people provide name and mala. The diksha should be in the presence of Prabhupada’s vigraha. That will be better. That would be better. There will be no problem. Just to avoid problems, see so many gurus, they will leave peeta (the sacred seat), they are falling down. Just to avoid this, you take initiation before Prabhupada’s vigraha.
                   2. HH Rangapriya Swami: “By this system we do not have to fear that the parampara may stop. The rtviks belong to his parampara. The new disciples also belong to his parampara. Who ever follows his instructions also belong to his parampara. His books will represent him; his peeta (the sacred seat) will represent him; his sandals will represent him; his murtis will represent him.”
                   3. Lakshmi Tatachar: “Again I have to stress that the letter makes it amply clear that the disciples thus initiated by the representatives of Srila Prabhupada are only the disciples of Srila Prabhupada only, not of the representatives. I also want to confirm that this system can continue perpetually even in the physical absence of HH Srila Prabhupadaji as it has continued in Ramanujas tradition as any person initiated by any acharya has dasyanama like Lakshmittathacharya Ramanuja Dasa though Ramanuja passed away long ago. Hope, Madhupandit Dasaji, I have made my point clear.
       B. Due to over one hundred years separation, there was no physical meeting between Narottamadas Thakura and Vishvanath Chakravarty Thakura in our disciplic line.
       C. First time in known history the complete Vedanta-sruti (Bhagavad-gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Chaitanya Charitamrita, Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu) of an uttama-adhikari in Lord Chaitanya’s disciplic succession was tape recorded in English (and translated into other languages), making the knowledge by which all sin is destroyed (diksa) available at anytime anywhere. Thus there is no need for any other translator nor translation of the original sanskrit verses.
       D. Invention of the printing press allowed words to be mass duplicated on paper and distributed worldwide for anyone to read (hear) which necessitates a ritvik system for initiations to keep up with demand.
       E. Invention of the audio tape recorder allowed the spoken words of the uttama adhikari diksa-guru to be recorded live directly (no misinterpretation) which does not necessitate his physical presence for hearing the Vedanta-sruti from the diksa-guru and thus the transference of transcendental knowledge (diksa).
       F. In this most fallen age of Kali-yuga, the uttama adhikari diksa-guru is very rare thus the presence of the above technological inventions makes the ritvik system most practical in a worldwide sankirtan organization, which allows the uttama adhikari diksa-guru’s comprehensive instructions (vedanta-sruti) to be uniformly present everywhere in the world for all time, as opposed to the ever changing physically present diksa-guru system. The continuity of keeping the founder-acarya in the center via the ritvik system saves time, labor, and money in the organization.
“When one HAS attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshipped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.”(Emph.added) (C.c. Madhya, 24.330, purport)
The guru must be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru must be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. It is said: gurur nrnam. The word nrnam means “of all human beings.” The guru is not limited to a particular group.
(C.C. Madhya 24.330)
“Because on the night before he passed away he (Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati) talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically … and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year. Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp.” (74-04-28 Letter to Rupanuga)
“I wish that each and every Branch shall keep their independent identity and cooperate keeping the Acarya in the centre. On this principle we can open any number of Branches all over the world. The Ramakrishna mission works on this principle and thus as organization they have done wonderfully.” (Letter to: Kirtanananda 67-02-11)
750716pc.sf Conversations


Prabhupada: I will dever die.

Prabhupada: I shall live from my books and you will utilize.
“I am the Spiritual Master of this institution, and ALL the members of the Society, they’re supposed to be MY disciples. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are INITIATED BY ME spiritually” – (Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12 March 1968, San Francisco)
April/22/1977 Bombay India

Tamala Krsna: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it’s clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be
guru. Maybe one day it may be possible…

Prabhupada: Hm.

Tamala Krsna: …but not now.

Prabhupada: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall say, “Now you become acarya. You become authorized.” I am waiting for that. You become all acarya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.

Tamala Krsna: The process of purification must be there.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahaprabhu wants that. Amara ajnaya guru hana. “You become guru.” (laughs) But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower…

Tamala Krsna: Not rubber stamp.

Prabhupada: Then you’ll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and “guru.” What kind of guru? No publication, no preaching, simply bring some foodstuff… My Guru Maharaja used to say, “Joint mess,” a place for eating and sleeping. Amar amar ara takana(Bengali): “Joint mess.” He said this.
(Note – Did this fact changed in one month?)
The desire to possess disciples and enjoy being served/worshiped attracted all of the 11 original ritvik representatives appointed by Srila Prabhupada. Their ambition to imitate the diksa-guru/uttama-adhikari caused them to disobey their spiritual masters order to continue the ritvik system henceforward in ISKCON. This soon led to the corruption of ISKCON’s pure guru-tattva, the GBC mismanagement and the spiritual difficulties of the entire society.
Srila Prabhupada: “Our mission is to serve,
gurusu narah matih. That is material disease.” 
As the absolute central authority of guru-tattva became contaminated the pure transcendental knowledge was gradually replaced by false philosophy and deviation from Srila Prabhupada’s pure teachings. These are as follows:
1) zonal acaryas/the 2/3 voted in or out rubber-stamped (uttama-adhikari) diksa-gurus
2) the “fallen diksa-guru” syndrome (that Prabhupada appointed 11 fallen souls to be diksa-gurus or it is okay for the diksa-guru to be fallen)
3) reinitiations or the acceptance of more than one diksa/initiating spiritual master
4) definition of diksa as a formal ceremony performed by the physically present diksa-guru, not the knowledge by which all sin is destroyed
5) minimizing the words of the pure devotee (vedanta-sruti) as insufficient for transmitting transcendental knowledge by which all sin is destroyed (diksa) and minimizing the authority of the spiritual master and the Vedas (sruti and smriti sastras).
6) neglecting the orders of the spiritual master
(Note: These are all gross deviations from Srila Prabhupada’s teachings and vaisnava philosophy manufactured by conditioned souls who want to enjoy the title and worship of the diksa-guru which is the cheating propensity. There cannot be the pure manifestation of Srila Prabhupada’s mission and his teachings without following his guru-tattva.)
       A. The worldwide sankirtan movement grows exponentially under the guidance of the uttama-adhikari spiritual master and founder-acarya (pure via media to the parampara). Worldwide sankirtan is not hampered by the temporary physical presence of the diksa-guru.
       B. The ritvik system allows Srila Prabhupada’s disciples to advance harmoniously from kanistha to madhyam and finally uttama-adhikari with no discrepancy in qualifications due to posing as guru immaturely; and, the resulting corruption, division, and chaos within the society on the ontological question of who is a pure devotee.
Srila Prabhupada’s specific instructions for carrying out initiations in Iskcon after his physical disappearance as asked directly of him by his Governing Board Commissioners on May 28, 1977 was that he would soon recommend some of his disciples to act as officiating acaryas or ritviks representatives. In the following week on June 4, 1977 he wrote in his will that Iskcon directors would have to be his duly initiated disciples. This also confirms his no change “henceforward” order sent to all GBCs and temple presidents the following month (July 9, 1977) proclaiming his 11 chosen ritvik representatives that would initiate future disciples on his behalf even after his physical disappearance. These three seperate instructions are Srila Prabhupada’s actual replies to the direct question from his GBC disciples in charge of ISKCON management on how they should carry on initiations. Over the next 4 months until his physical disappearance, Srila Prabhupada never changed these orders either written or spoken.
But in this life, if we develop Kṛṣṇa consciousness by association of devotees… As Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura has sung, tāṅdera caraṇasevibhakta-sane vāsa. One’s aim of life should be to serve the ācāryas. Ācārya upāsanam. So our ācārya in the GauḍīyaVaiṣṇavaSampradāya, the śrīrūpa sanātana bhaṭṭaraghunātha, śrījīva gopālabhaṭṭa dāsaraghunātha, the Six Gosvāmīns, and if we associate with them… this book, Nectar of Devotion, Bhaktirasāmṛtasindhu, if you read regularly, try to understand, this means you are associating with Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī directly. And if you act accordingly, then you are serving their lotus feet. Tāṅdera caraṇasevibhakta-sane vāsa. And unless you are associated with devotees, you will not be able to understand the import of the writings of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī. Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s secretary, Śrī SvarūpaDāmodara, recommended one brāhmaṇa, bhagavat para giyā bhagavat sthāne. Bhagavat He, he came to CaitanyaMahāprabhu to read some poetry he had written, but it was the system that unless anything written… There were many devotees. CaitanyaMahāprabhu was living at Purī, JagannāthaPurī. So many devotees from other provinces used to come and visit. And some of them wrote some poetries. But all of them, first of all, would be tested by SvarūpaDāmodara. And then he’ll be allowed to go before CaitanyaMahāprabhu and read it. That was the system. Because people do not know siddhānta. General people. Those who are advanced devotee, they know siddhānta, the conclusion. In the Caitanyacaritāmṛta, therefore, it has been advised,

siddhānta baliyā citte kara alasa
ihā haite kṛṣṇe lāge sudṛḍha mānasa
[Ādi 2.117]

If you neglect siddhānta, conclusion, given by the ācāryas, then you will misunderstand Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa, therefore Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says… These are the evidences.

rūparaghunāthapade haibe ākuti
kabe hāma bhujhaba se yugalapīriti

Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, such an exalted ācārya, he’s teaching us, “Don’t try to understand yugalapīriti, the love affairs between Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, concoctedly, by your own concoction.” No. You should first of all try to serve the Six Gosvāmīs, rūparaghunāthapade haibe ākuti, how they are directing. Just like this Bhaktirasāmṛtasindhu. Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī is not teaching in the beginning the loving affairs of RādhāKṛṣṇa. No. He’s training, first of all, the reader, the devotee, how to become first of all pure devotee.

ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-
śīlanaṁ bhaktir uttamā
[Brs. 1.1.11]

First of all, he’s trying to bring the devotee to the standard devotional service. Vidhimārga. Then gradually, when he becomes accustomed, then rāgamārga will be revealed. Rāgamārga is not artificial. It becomes, svayam eva sphuraty adhaḥ. Sevonmukhe hi jihvādau… [Brs. 1.2.234]. Everything, devotional relationship with Kṛṣṇa, you cannot establish artificially. Everyone has got a particular relationship with Kṛṣṇa in his original constitutional position. That will be revealed gradually as you advance in devotional service in the prescribed rules and regulations as they are directed in the śāstras and by spiritual master. When you are trained up properly, you come to the platform of rāgamārga, then your devotional si… That is called svarūpasiddhi. Svarūpasiddhi. So svarūpasiddhi is attained at a certain stage. Just like svarūpasiddhi The desire for sex life is there in every human being, but when the boy and the girl come to the mature stage, it become manifest. It is, is not learned artificially. Similarly, the rāgamārga, svarūpasiddhi, becomes revealed or manifest. Śravaṇādi-śuddhacitte karaye udaya. Udaya. This very word, udaya, is used. Just like sun. Sun becomes visible when the sun rises automatically. You cannot force the sun to rise at dead of night. That is not possible. Sun will rise. You just wait. When the time will be right, morning, six o’clock, you’ll find the sun.

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