 On hearing about this , conductor Michael Gielen stated : " When he said he knew what was happening at Sirius , I turned away from him in horror . I haven 't listened to a note since " , and called Stockhausen 's statements " hubris " and " nonsense " , while at the same time defending his own belief in astrology : " Why should these large celestial bodies exist if they do not stand for something ? I cannot imagine that there is anything senseless in the universe . There is much we do not understand " ( Hagedorn 2010 ) . 
