China claims orbital test of EM drive Confirm
China claims orbital test of EM drive! Confirm – Chaos Manor – Jerry Pournelle

						
Thursday 22 Dec 2016:  Claim confirmed. Chinese Academy of Science claims EmDrive working on Chinese Space Station.. See Below.

The question becomes, given the magnitude of this, why is it a surprise? We have 21 expensive intelligence agencies; not one of them knew the Chinese orbited an EM Drive? Of course it will be a while before we can do orbital tests. We have no rockets.  That’s preparedness. Perhaps Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos can help? This is a signal larger than Sputnik. If the Intelligence Community knows about Russian hacking, why doesn’t it know about Chinese testing of a reactionless drive?  
More tomorrow.





Wednesday, 12/21/2016
China claims to have a working version of NASA’s impossible engine orbiting the Earth – and will use it in satellites ‘imminently’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4052580/China-claims-built-working-version-NASA-s-impossible-engine-says-s-orbiting-Earth.html
China claims to have a working version of NASA’s impossible engine orbiting the Earth – and will use it in satellites ‘imminently’

The scientists say they’ve created a working prototype and are testing in orbit
They’ve revealed plans to implement it in satellites ‘as quickly as possible’  
They say it is ‘currently in the latter stages of the proof-of-principle phase’
EmDrive creates thrust by bouncing microwaves around a chamber
The system has caused a stir as it it ‘goes against’ the laws of physics
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4052580/China-claims-built-working-version-NASA-s-impossible-engine-says-s-orbiting-Earth.html#ixzz4TSTZ8v5F



Scientists in China claim they’ve created a working prototype of the ‘impossible’ reactionless engine – and they say they’re already testing it in orbit aboard the Tiangong-2 space laboratory. [snip]
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I have no more information, but this is staggering.  Movable satellites requiring a power source but no reaction fuel. The implications are enormous. Think Thor for a start. The Em Drive wouldn’t reduce launch costs, but it makes satellites much more useful.  No station keeping reaction mass needed.







Hey Doc:
You said:
I have no more information, but this is staggering.  Movable satellites requiring a power source but no reaction fuel. The implications are enormous. Think Thor for a start. The Em Drive wouldn’t reduce launch costs, but it makes satellites much more useful.  No station keeping reaction mass needed.
It seems to me that not having to launch any reaction mass with the satellite would reduce launch costs somewhat. For the same functionality there’d be a smaller launch load or for the same load the package could include much more capability,
We need to view the Chinese doing this in the same light we viewed the Sputnik launch when I was a kid. This should be a call to action for our space program(s).
John



Right on both counts; and of course if it can get more than 1 milliNewton per KW it would be even more valuable.  But I still have no other information on the validity of this claim.  The “Intelligence Community” has yet to say anything, nor has the President, though one would think this an important matter.


I’m very skeptical of the supposed EM-Drive news from China.
And I hope I’m wrong – but the PRC has a history of making all kinds of outlandish claims about supposed scientific breakthroughs which turn out to be absolute nonsense.
Again, I hope I’m wrong.
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Roland Dobbins

Pretty well me sentiments. (I am looking for other sources.  I have heard nothing from mainstream media, although I have some people checking.  It has been a busy day.

Roberta went to the hairdressers and got her hair done.  She looks great.



China claims it’s already started testing an EM Drive in space 
http://www.sciencealert.com/china-is-claiming-it-s-already-started-testing-an-em-drive-in-space 
Peer review or it didn’t happen. 
FIONA MACDONALD  
22 DEC 2016  
  The whole world got excited last month when NASA published the first peer-reviewed paper on the ‘impossible’ electromagnetic, or EM, Drive, which appears to somehow defy physics by producing thrust without a propellant. 
Their verdict was that it seems to work, although a lot of physicists still think the results are flawed. But now researchers in China have announced that they’ve already been testing the controversial drive in low-Earth orbit, and they’re looking into using the EM Drive to power their satellites as soon as possible. 
Big disclaimer here – all we have to go on right now is a press conference announcement and an article from a government-sponsored Chinese newspaper (and the country doesn’t have the best track record when it comes to trustworthy research). 
So until we see a peer-reviewed paper, we really can’t say for sure whether the researchers are even testing the drive in space, let alone what their results have shown. 
But what the China Academy of Space Technology (CAST) team is saying also corresponds with information provided to IB Times from an anonymous source. According to their informant, China already has an EM Drive on board its version of the International Space Station, the space laboratory Tiangong-2. 
We do know from previous papers that Chinese researchers have at least constructed an EM Drive and have been studying it for more than five years now. But there are no published results that we’ve been able to find that show how positive the results have been. 
At the press conference, CAST claim they’d seen the EM Drive producing similar thrust to the NASA team’s version.[snip] 




EmDrive: China claims success with this ‘reactionless’ engine for space travel
NASA also has high hopes for the theoretical engine 
By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer 
http://www.popsci.com/emdrive-engine-space-travel-china-success 
It’s a piece of space tech that sounds almost too good to be true. The “reactionless” Electromagnetic Drive, or EmDrive for short, is an engine propelled solely by electromagnetic radiation confined in a microwave cavity. Such an engine would violate the law of conservation of momentum by generating mechanical action without exchanging matter. But since 2010, both the United States and China have been pouring serious resources into these seemingly impossible engines. And now China claims its made a key breakthrough. 
Dr. Chen Yue, Director of Commercial Satellite Technology for the China Academy of Space Technology (CAST) announced on December 10, 2016 that not only has China successfully tested EmDrives technology in its laboratories, but that a proof-of-concept is currently undergoing zero-g testing in orbit (according to the International Business Times, this test is taking place on the Tiangong 2 space station).[snip]



You’d think one or another of our expensive intelligence agencies would have warned us, or that the White House would have comments.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-intel-report-wont-end-russia-hacking-fight/article/2609959

											