<story><title>Desirable streets: where do people prefer to walk?</title><url>https://senseable.mit.edu/desirable-streets/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>uoaei</author><text>&amp;gt; If we&amp;#x27;re talking about a larger city, for example Boston (the city focused on for this webpage), then there will undoubtedly be communities in that city to which you do not belong.&lt;p&gt;And you think that talking about people who live in other neighborhoods like a colonist marching through the Congo is an appropriate way to treat fellow citizens?&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Are you insinuating that pedestrians frequently go into neighborhoods in which they don&amp;#x27;t live to start trouble?&lt;p&gt;Obviously not, and that seems to be a deliberately obtuse interpretation for the intention of muddling debate. The insinuation is that there are many reasons people may become &amp;quot;aggressive&amp;quot; and a lot of them involve someone else acting poorly. OP&amp;#x27;s framing does not allow for the cause of this &amp;quot;aggression&amp;quot; to be their actions. If someone was routinely speeding through my neighborhood in their car, for instance, I would be &amp;quot;aggressive&amp;quot; because I fear for the safety of my neighbors. The framing that OP uses strongly implies that they think they can do no wrong.</text></item><item><author>wassenaar10</author><text>&amp;gt; But it seems like you feel like you&amp;#x27;re &amp;quot;in the community, but not of it&amp;quot;. There is an implicit distinction between you and your household, and the &amp;quot;locals&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;If we&amp;#x27;re talking about a larger city, for example Boston (the city focused on for this webpage), then there will undoubtedly be communities in that city to which you do not belong. I would wager that in nearly every city in the world, there are neighborhoods and communities which non-residents of those communities try to avoid walking through.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The &amp;quot;aggression&amp;quot; you reference is also a bit troubling because it is framed entirely with an external locus of control, which absolves you of any role.&lt;p&gt;Honestly, what are you talking about? Are you insinuating that pedestrians frequently go into neighborhoods in which they don&amp;#x27;t live to start trouble?</text></item><item><author>uoaei</author><text>&amp;gt; the level of aggression in the locals&lt;p&gt;This is off-topic, but I can&amp;#x27;t help but notice how this is worded. I am having trouble articulating what bothers me about it. But it seems like you feel like you&amp;#x27;re &amp;quot;in the community, but not of it&amp;quot;. There is an implicit distinction between you and your household, and the &amp;quot;locals&amp;quot;. The &amp;quot;aggression&amp;quot; you reference is also a bit troubling because it is framed entirely with an external locus of control, which absolves you of any role.&lt;p&gt;Just my thoughts. I know this is irrelevant but I feel like it needs to be heard.</text></item><item><author>ndiscussion</author><text>Interesting article... it does make me wonder if they&amp;#x27;re missing some key ingredient.&lt;p&gt;One example for me personally is the level of aggression in the locals. There are certain streets I avoid due to this aggressive behavior, and something like that wasn&amp;#x27;t even mentioned.&lt;p&gt;Perhaps there are other missing variables too.&lt;p&gt;edit: in case anyone was wondering, no, I&amp;#x27;m not implying some kind of racist undertone here. I&amp;#x27;ve walked through many diverse neighborhoods in many cities without any problem whatsoever.&lt;p&gt;By &amp;quot;aggression&amp;quot; I mean panhandling and other interruptions by people undergoing obvious psychosis with no sense of social norms.&lt;p&gt;The reason I stated this oddly is because there&amp;#x27;s a large tangent of people on HN who will attack you for inferring that some homeless people (yes, these psychotic people are generally homeless) are psychotic and aggressive. Perhaps they live in gated communities?&lt;p&gt;No matter what I do, these people are allowed to exist where I live, but I don&amp;#x27;t consider them part of my community at all.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>majormajor</author><text>&amp;gt; Obviously not, and that seems to be a deliberately obtuse interpretation for the intention of muddling debate. The insinuation is that there are many reasons people may become &amp;quot;aggressive&amp;quot; and a lot of them involve someone else acting poorly.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;ve seen far more people acting aggressive to pedestrians without being provoked by the pedestrians because they&amp;#x27;re in a lot of &lt;i&gt;internal&lt;/i&gt; distress (acting erratically, unkempt, possibly homeless) than I&amp;#x27;ve seen pedestrians inciting &amp;quot;locals&amp;quot; to be aggressive back to them.&lt;p&gt;Walk down a street and past someone muttering that they&amp;#x27;re about to murder a bunch of people and you might not go back that way next time.&lt;p&gt;Sometimes &amp;quot;you were asking for it&amp;quot; isn&amp;#x27;t the explanation.</text></comment>
<story><title>Desirable streets: where do people prefer to walk?</title><url>https://senseable.mit.edu/desirable-streets/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>uoaei</author><text>&amp;gt; If we&amp;#x27;re talking about a larger city, for example Boston (the city focused on for this webpage), then there will undoubtedly be communities in that city to which you do not belong.&lt;p&gt;And you think that talking about people who live in other neighborhoods like a colonist marching through the Congo is an appropriate way to treat fellow citizens?&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; Are you insinuating that pedestrians frequently go into neighborhoods in which they don&amp;#x27;t live to start trouble?&lt;p&gt;Obviously not, and that seems to be a deliberately obtuse interpretation for the intention of muddling debate. The insinuation is that there are many reasons people may become &amp;quot;aggressive&amp;quot; and a lot of them involve someone else acting poorly. OP&amp;#x27;s framing does not allow for the cause of this &amp;quot;aggression&amp;quot; to be their actions. If someone was routinely speeding through my neighborhood in their car, for instance, I would be &amp;quot;aggressive&amp;quot; because I fear for the safety of my neighbors. The framing that OP uses strongly implies that they think they can do no wrong.</text></item><item><author>wassenaar10</author><text>&amp;gt; But it seems like you feel like you&amp;#x27;re &amp;quot;in the community, but not of it&amp;quot;. There is an implicit distinction between you and your household, and the &amp;quot;locals&amp;quot;.&lt;p&gt;If we&amp;#x27;re talking about a larger city, for example Boston (the city focused on for this webpage), then there will undoubtedly be communities in that city to which you do not belong. I would wager that in nearly every city in the world, there are neighborhoods and communities which non-residents of those communities try to avoid walking through.&lt;p&gt;&amp;gt; The &amp;quot;aggression&amp;quot; you reference is also a bit troubling because it is framed entirely with an external locus of control, which absolves you of any role.&lt;p&gt;Honestly, what are you talking about? Are you insinuating that pedestrians frequently go into neighborhoods in which they don&amp;#x27;t live to start trouble?</text></item><item><author>uoaei</author><text>&amp;gt; the level of aggression in the locals&lt;p&gt;This is off-topic, but I can&amp;#x27;t help but notice how this is worded. I am having trouble articulating what bothers me about it. But it seems like you feel like you&amp;#x27;re &amp;quot;in the community, but not of it&amp;quot;. There is an implicit distinction between you and your household, and the &amp;quot;locals&amp;quot;. The &amp;quot;aggression&amp;quot; you reference is also a bit troubling because it is framed entirely with an external locus of control, which absolves you of any role.&lt;p&gt;Just my thoughts. I know this is irrelevant but I feel like it needs to be heard.</text></item><item><author>ndiscussion</author><text>Interesting article... it does make me wonder if they&amp;#x27;re missing some key ingredient.&lt;p&gt;One example for me personally is the level of aggression in the locals. There are certain streets I avoid due to this aggressive behavior, and something like that wasn&amp;#x27;t even mentioned.&lt;p&gt;Perhaps there are other missing variables too.&lt;p&gt;edit: in case anyone was wondering, no, I&amp;#x27;m not implying some kind of racist undertone here. I&amp;#x27;ve walked through many diverse neighborhoods in many cities without any problem whatsoever.&lt;p&gt;By &amp;quot;aggression&amp;quot; I mean panhandling and other interruptions by people undergoing obvious psychosis with no sense of social norms.&lt;p&gt;The reason I stated this oddly is because there&amp;#x27;s a large tangent of people on HN who will attack you for inferring that some homeless people (yes, these psychotic people are generally homeless) are psychotic and aggressive. Perhaps they live in gated communities?&lt;p&gt;No matter what I do, these people are allowed to exist where I live, but I don&amp;#x27;t consider them part of my community at all.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>leetcrew</author><text>you are extrapolating a lot here from the choice of a single, somewhat vague, word. the looks you receive from passersby can make it very clear that you are not welcome or at least not expected to be in that area. I&amp;#x27;m not sure I would call it &amp;quot;aggressive&amp;quot;, but certainly &amp;quot;uncomfortable&amp;quot; and to be avoided if possible. this observation is not unique to affluent white people.&lt;p&gt;sometimes people are downright aggressive if they feel you are trespassing in a place that isn&amp;#x27;t &amp;quot;yours&amp;quot;. I had a somewhat mischievous teacher in high school who liked to take us out to lunch in less affluent neighborhoods. more than once he was asked &amp;quot;why did you bring those kids here?&amp;quot; or told outright &amp;quot;you don&amp;#x27;t belong here&amp;quot; by the regulars.</text></comment>