<story><title>Wirecard hired actors to fool auditors</title><url>https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/wirecard-jan-marsalek-soll-wirtschaftspruefer-ey-mit-schauspielern-getaeuscht-haben-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000172590382</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>wildmanx</author><text>Violence is unacceptable. Period.&lt;p&gt;It is sad that there are cultures where that&amp;#x27;s different.</text></item><item><author>mschuster91</author><text>In Germany, even the slightest acceptance of violence usage against capitalists and Nazis is going to get you a shitstorm from the far right to the center&amp;#x2F;left left.&lt;p&gt;The result? Just look at how effective militant French protests have been in keeping neoliberal attacks on worker rights at bay, and how unsuccessful German protests have been.</text></item><item><author>spiritplumber</author><text>In your culture, at which point is it permitted (legally or not) to take someone like that out back and punch them a few times?&lt;p&gt;I only had to deal with one situation like this in my life, and the person responsible is now no longer welcome in my county, so we sorted it out.</text></item><item><author>jacquesm</author><text>Here&amp;#x27;s my little Wirecard story: Back in the day when Camarades.com&amp;#x2F;ww.com was doing well we were through an intermediary approached by a German investor, one Paul Bauer-Schlichtegroll (I&amp;#x27;ll never forget that name), an - at that moment - successful German businessman, who was importing Vans sports shoes into Europe.&lt;p&gt;He became a 5% investor in our company through an entity called Max Madhouse GMBH with an option to buy a much larger share. The day after the deal was signed he turned around and tried to screw us - the founders - out of our own company through a minority shareholder lawsuit.&lt;p&gt;Eventually we got rid of him, but this cost us a lot of time, money and momentum. Two years later Bauer was one of the founding members of what eventually became Wirecard.&lt;p&gt;So I&amp;#x27;ve always seen Wirecard as a bunch of crooks.&lt;p&gt;At the same time I have some sympathy for the BaFin people, there are way too few of them and the opposition was very well versed in showing one face whilst actually being something completely different, the length to which these characters would go to show a good face was beyond anything that I would have normally imagined. I&amp;#x27;m still a touch paranoid because of it, and I&amp;#x27;m sure the same goes for the rest of the former Camarades.com&amp;#x2F;ww.com team.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t know what happened to him, he seems to have disappeared as well, but I do know that anything that he&amp;#x27;s ever touched was rotten at some level.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>iovrthoughtthis</author><text>This is naive. Violence is the last resort. If the stakes are high enough and you’ve tried everything else, violence is the only remaining option.&lt;p&gt;Sometimes actions don&amp;#x27;t need to be acceptable, they just need to be impactful.</text></comment>
<story><title>Wirecard hired actors to fool auditors</title><url>https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/wirecard-jan-marsalek-soll-wirtschaftspruefer-ey-mit-schauspielern-getaeuscht-haben-a-00000000-0002-0001-0000-000172590382</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>wildmanx</author><text>Violence is unacceptable. Period.&lt;p&gt;It is sad that there are cultures where that&amp;#x27;s different.</text></item><item><author>mschuster91</author><text>In Germany, even the slightest acceptance of violence usage against capitalists and Nazis is going to get you a shitstorm from the far right to the center&amp;#x2F;left left.&lt;p&gt;The result? Just look at how effective militant French protests have been in keeping neoliberal attacks on worker rights at bay, and how unsuccessful German protests have been.</text></item><item><author>spiritplumber</author><text>In your culture, at which point is it permitted (legally or not) to take someone like that out back and punch them a few times?&lt;p&gt;I only had to deal with one situation like this in my life, and the person responsible is now no longer welcome in my county, so we sorted it out.</text></item><item><author>jacquesm</author><text>Here&amp;#x27;s my little Wirecard story: Back in the day when Camarades.com&amp;#x2F;ww.com was doing well we were through an intermediary approached by a German investor, one Paul Bauer-Schlichtegroll (I&amp;#x27;ll never forget that name), an - at that moment - successful German businessman, who was importing Vans sports shoes into Europe.&lt;p&gt;He became a 5% investor in our company through an entity called Max Madhouse GMBH with an option to buy a much larger share. The day after the deal was signed he turned around and tried to screw us - the founders - out of our own company through a minority shareholder lawsuit.&lt;p&gt;Eventually we got rid of him, but this cost us a lot of time, money and momentum. Two years later Bauer was one of the founding members of what eventually became Wirecard.&lt;p&gt;So I&amp;#x27;ve always seen Wirecard as a bunch of crooks.&lt;p&gt;At the same time I have some sympathy for the BaFin people, there are way too few of them and the opposition was very well versed in showing one face whilst actually being something completely different, the length to which these characters would go to show a good face was beyond anything that I would have normally imagined. I&amp;#x27;m still a touch paranoid because of it, and I&amp;#x27;m sure the same goes for the rest of the former Camarades.com&amp;#x2F;ww.com team.&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#x27;t know what happened to him, he seems to have disappeared as well, but I do know that anything that he&amp;#x27;s ever touched was rotten at some level.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>smcl</author><text>On some level I agree ... but I can&amp;#x27;t in all honesty get behind this statement 100%. For example I enjoyed seeing the videos of Richard Spencer (the &amp;quot;dapper&amp;quot; white nationalist) and Billy Steele (guy shouting on the tube about how black people are &amp;quot;less than him&amp;quot;) getting punched in the face.&lt;p&gt;Don&amp;#x27;t know if this makes me an asshole or a human.</text></comment>