<story><title>Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release</title><url>https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/10/tesla-is-now-beta-testing-self-driving-software-on-public-roads/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>nostrademons</author><text>&amp;quot;Move fast and break things.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I really don&amp;#x27;t understand how a company can get away with using its customers as QA when they sell products that can &lt;i&gt;kill people&lt;/i&gt;.  It&amp;#x27;s one thing if it&amp;#x27;s a website for throwing virtual sheep at another; nobody really cares if your Facebook feed omits an update or two.  It&amp;#x27;s another thing if a software bug means that you die.  Or at least it should be - I&amp;#x27;m amazed at the number of people who seemingly don&amp;#x27;t care.&lt;p&gt;I also wonder what this is doing to Tesla&amp;#x27;s brand reputation.  I was just in the market for solar panels and Tesla&amp;#x27;s offering (both the panels and the solar roof) was very, very attractive on price &amp;amp; aesthetics, but their reliability record with their cars made me think twice about buying a 25+ year product that keeps my home powered and dry.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>trimbo</author><text>&amp;gt; I really don&amp;#x27;t understand how a company can get away with using its customers as QA when they sell products that can kill people&lt;p&gt;There&amp;#x27;s a term for it: &amp;quot;normalization of deviance&amp;quot;[1]. A highly risky thing is done and doesn&amp;#x27;t fail as early as thought. The people doing it assume that means the risk is lower than they thought, but it&amp;#x27;s not, and they just happened to get lucky.&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#x27;m sure Elon knows this, so probably believes their tech can advance enough before their luck turns. I personally think he&amp;#x27;s deadly wrong on this, but it seems like a lot of Silicon Valley Tesla owners who sleep or read their phone while on Autopilot accept it at face value.&lt;p&gt;[1] - &lt;a href=&quot;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Normalization_of_deviance&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https:&amp;#x2F;&amp;#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&amp;#x2F;wiki&amp;#x2F;Normalization_of_deviance&lt;/a&gt;</text></comment>
<story><title>Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release</title><url>https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/10/tesla-is-now-beta-testing-self-driving-software-on-public-roads/</url></story><parent_chain><item><author>nostrademons</author><text>&amp;quot;Move fast and break things.&amp;quot;&lt;p&gt;I really don&amp;#x27;t understand how a company can get away with using its customers as QA when they sell products that can &lt;i&gt;kill people&lt;/i&gt;.  It&amp;#x27;s one thing if it&amp;#x27;s a website for throwing virtual sheep at another; nobody really cares if your Facebook feed omits an update or two.  It&amp;#x27;s another thing if a software bug means that you die.  Or at least it should be - I&amp;#x27;m amazed at the number of people who seemingly don&amp;#x27;t care.&lt;p&gt;I also wonder what this is doing to Tesla&amp;#x27;s brand reputation.  I was just in the market for solar panels and Tesla&amp;#x27;s offering (both the panels and the solar roof) was very, very attractive on price &amp;amp; aesthetics, but their reliability record with their cars made me think twice about buying a 25+ year product that keeps my home powered and dry.</text></item></parent_chain><comment><author>Balgair</author><text>&amp;gt; ... using its customers as QA when they sell products that can kill people&lt;p&gt;They aren&amp;#x27;t just using their own customers, they are using all of us.&lt;p&gt;The cars won&amp;#x27;t be just crashing into inanimate objects, but school buses and ambulances. The QA is being done to all of us and our loved ones near their cars.</text></comment>