[Rick Sanchez, Cnn Anchor:] And hello again, everybody. I'm Rick Sanchez with the next generation of news. This is a conversation. This is not a speech and it's always your turn to get involved. On this day, I want you to think about this number as the president gets ready to address health care. The number is $375 million. This is the most ever spent to try and influence, some would say confuse, you, you, the American people. Speaking of confused, listen to this precious moment.
[Unidentified Female:] Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am.
[Unidentified Male:] I'm sorry.
[Rep. Jean Schmidt , Ohio:] I agree with you, but the courts don't.
[Unidentified Male:] Pardon me. My bad. Sorry.
[Sanchez:] All right, that is Ohio Republican Congresswoman Jean Schmidt. One of the birthers indoctrinated with falsehoods that have been proven to be wrong, questions whether the president is a real American. That's that woman who's addressing that congresswoman there who eventually leans over. What you will hear again in fact, I'm going to do this. I'm going to play it for you again. You will hear Schmidt whispers that she agrees with what the woman is saying. But the courts, they don't agree.
[Unidentified Female:] Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am.
[Unidentified Male:] I'm sorry.
[Rep. Jean Schmidt , Ohio:] I agree with you, but the courts don't.
[Unidentified Male:] Pardon me. My bad. Sorry.
[Sanchez:] Yes, it was just before the "my bad." That's where she said, "I agree with you, but the courts don't." What courts? We have no clue, but we did have ask the congresswoman to come on and explain to us, to which she has responded that she doesn't want to.
[Guy Heinze, Family Member Of Victims:] My dad's dead.
[Operator:] How many people are there?
[Heinze:] There's like six. My whole family's dead. 911
[Operator:] OK.
[Heinze:] It looks like they have been beat to death. I don't know.
[Sanchez:] Those the chilling words of Guy Heinze Jr., his cell phone call to 911. He's reporting a grisly mass murder in a cramped mobile home in a seaside Brunswick, Georgia, home, eight people dead today, yet another shocking development on this story that has really been filled with them, twists and turns. Police are now saying all eight victims were essentially beaten to death, bludgeoned. No, they were not shot, as most thought. They were, as originally reported, bludgeoned to death, eight people beaten to death by a single assailant. And there's a ninth, a 3-year-old, who is in the hospital still on life support. That would mean this guy, Guy Heinze Jr. is his name, beat to death his father, beat to dead a teen with Down syndrome, and almost beat to death a 3-year-old while taking on everybody else. That's what the police are alleging. And then he called 911. But how could he have done all of this alone?
[William Heinze, Grandfather Of Guy Heinze Jr:] We want to know what really happened. The police may think they know what happened, but we want to know really the truth. And it couldn't be one person doing all that.
[Sanchez:] There's a lot of people who agree with that. Think about it. How on earth could one man one man beat eight people to death in a cramped mobile home, and, again, nine if you count the 3-year-old on life support? Do the police officers have this right? To try and help us out on this, we have turned to the absolute best when it comes to this type of story. He's Dr. Cyril Wecht, forensic pathologist, consultant in scores of high-profile homicides. I will think you through some of them, Sharon Tate, JonBenet Ramsey, Sunny von Bulow, Vince Foster, and, more recently, Laci Peterson. He joins us now from Pittsburgh. Dr., good afternoon.
[Dr. Cyril Wecht, Forensic Pathologist:] Good afternoon.
[Sanchez:] Have you ever in all your years and all the cases that you have handled seen anything that resembles this?
[Wecht:] No, not even multiple shootings where people can be dispatched with much moral lack alacrity. I too am puzzled how this could be accomplished. And the only thing I can think of is that the individuals, the males with more physical strength, were eliminated first, rendered unconscious, if not beaten to death, and then the others were more or less helpless. Still, it begs the question of how this can be accomplished without anybody running out the door and so on. I do not know...
[Sanchez:] Let me just stop you there, Doctor, just for a moment, just so you and me together can share these pictures with the rest of the country who's watching right now and curious as we are. Let's put those pictures up, Rog, if you got them. We have got some pictures of the crime scene itself. There's the outside. I don't know if you can see it, but I'm looking at a window which is half-open. There's a fan under it. Obviously, all you got to do is kick the fan and jump out the window. Then there's a porch with what appears to be a sliding glass door. There's another window on the other side and windows all throughout. So, there are places to exit in an emergency. Why wouldn't someone exit?
[Wecht:] I don't know the proximity of any neighbors, both for visualization and for hearing any commotion. The other thing that will be checked to be certain is the toxicological analyses. Were these people in some way drugged? That's a possibility, I think farfetched, but certainly to be accomplished. The big thing here from a forensic, scientific standpoint is whether or not they can show one particular instrument was used. I doubt very much that he used a crowbar to kill A and then a baseball bat to kill B and then a ball-peen hammer to kill C and so on. So, they're going to have to show I think one particular instrumentality having been used by the individual. They're also going to have to a complete absence of DNA for anybody else, hair, fiber, perspiration, blood, whatever.
[Sanchez:] You mean an accomplice?
[Wecht:] Yes, an accomplice, exactly. Now, if there is no DNA, I can't imagine that you could bludgeon people with that kind of physical contact, that kind of altercation without leaving some bit of forensic, scientific evidence, if only this man's forensic, scientific is there, although he lived there I believe too or he visited there at the very least, so that it's not a problem with his DNA being there, unless it is found where it should not be, like in wounds and things of that nature. There's a lot more certainly to be disclosed about this case, but in the meantime, it certainly does raise a question as you have pointed out so clearly as to how eight people could be bludgeoned to death by one individual. It just...
[Sanchez:] And you know what, Doctor? Nine if you include the 3- year-old that's still on life that's nine people. And the fact that you could sit there and bludgeon to death, like you said, with a crowbar or a baseball bat, we're not sure, your own father?
[Wecht:] What time of day was this?
[Sanchez:] That's a good question. And there's something else that comes into play, by the way, Doctor. Let's do this. I want to hear the 911 tape again. Maybe there's some clues that you can decipher in his voice, in his presentation, which seems to be slurred, somewhat erratic, if not strange. Let's listen.
[Operator:] Do you live there?
[Heinze:] Yes, yes, I live here. 911
[Operator:] OK. Did you just get home this morning?
[Heinze:] Yes, I just got here. 911
[Operator:] OK. When you came into the house, what did the house look like?
[Heinze:] It looks like a
[Operator:] I understand that, but did somebody tear up everything, or they just beat up these people?
[Heinze:] They, they, the people's beat. Everybody's dead.
[Sanchez:] "The people's beat." I got to tell you, we had never seen this guy before. All we had done is heard his voice when we first heard this story. I thought he had some kind of problem, mental problem perhaps or something. But it seems to me and I'm sure you would probably say the same thing it sounds like he's under the influence of something there, isn't he?
[Wecht:] Yes, I agree. One has to be careful in inferring too much from speech patterns, et cetera.
[Sanchez:] Of course.
[Wecht:] Everybody reacts differently. But I would agree with you. The speech sounds very slurred and it strongly suggests alcohol andor drugs, which would cause this kind of slurred speech. I think that we have to learn more about his background. We have to learn more about his relationships with these people who were killed. And murder.
[Sanchez:] Well, I will tell you this, by the way. You asked me just a little while ago.
[Wecht:] Yes.
[Sanchez:] There's a possibility it could have happened overnight, because the phone call wasn't made until morning. So, I bet you would say that overnight killings are maybe more possible?
[Wecht:] Yes, yes. If you have got people who are sound asleep and you very quickly go, not necessarily producing death with each one as you go from one to two and to number three and four and so on, but sufficient to produce unconsciousness, a degree of immobilization, a degree of lack of alertness, and ability to respond in any way, then you can go back and finish the job. So, that will be interesting to see, too, the nature of the injuries, and how they relate to the positions of the bodies and, as I have said, and it bears repeating, the instrument that was used, because I think that's extremely important.
[Sanchez:] Toxicology results we're told are going to be back in somewhat like three months. In the meantime...
[Wecht:] Three months, that's...
[Sanchez:] It's a long time, isn't it?
[Wecht:] Yes.
[Sanchez:] Meanwhile, we're going to be continuing to follow this fascinating story, as heinous as any murder that I have ever heard of before.
[Wecht:] Terrible.
[Sanchez:] And we're glad that we had Dr. Cyril Wecht to take us through it.
[Wecht:] Thank you.
[Sanchez:] Thank you, sir.
[Wecht:] Thank you, sir.
[Unidentified Male:] This is the most dangerous place in
[Michael Ware, Cnn International Correspondent:] Oh, really?
[Unidentified Male:] Yes.
[Sanchez:] This is an amazing piece of video that I'm going to be sharing with you. That's one of our own. That's Michael Ware. He was reporting on the Taliban in Kandahar, Afghanistan, and nearly lost his own life to an IED. You are going to watch this entire thing as it unfolds. It's kind of spooky. Also, here's a question for you. How much did your voice matter to your congressman or your senator on health care during all those town hall meetings that were going on across the country? Or was it really much more having to do with money, the money that he or she may be getting to argue for or against this reform, regardless of what may be in your interests? I'm asking that question for a very serious reason and I know it's a very serious question. Wait until you hear the numbers that I have got for you on this, the money that's being spent to make sure health care reform is influenced one way or the other. Scary. We will be back.