[Camerota:] OK, so who is the candidate that voters say they want to hear more about? Answer? Senator Kamala Harris. So we all saw her prosecutorial style of questioning during last week's hearing with Attorney General William Barr, and before. People have been impressed. But now the 2020 Democratic hopeful is changing her strategy somewhat. And here to explain that we have "The New York Times" Jonathan Martin. He has insight into her new campaign strategy and an entire article about it. And he is joined by Josh Green, CNN political analyst and, national correspondent for "Bloomberg Businessweek." Great to see you guys. So, J. Mart., how has Kamala Harris already shifted on the campaign trail?
[Jonathan Martin, Cnn Political Analyst:] Well, you mentioned that interrogation she had of Bill Barr and I think that really points to her upside, her possibility, that she does come off best when she is taking on Trump administration officials, the president himself. She has the sort of catch phrase that she wants to prosecute the case against Trump, which, of course, invokes her record as a former DA and the California attorney general. And I think her campaign has come to the conclusion that it's a loser's game to try to keep pace with the Bernie Sanders left, to try to sort of bow on every issue that comes up or at least not offend the perceived views of the left on every issue and play to her strengths. And they polled this, they've tested this extensively, and they found that there's not a lot of down side in emphasizing her record as a prosecutor and they think that she shines the best when she is in that role and doing so, taking on the president himself because, guess what, guys, that's what most Democratic primary voters care about, who can beat President Trump.
[Berman:] I like your articles most when they validate things that I have said on this show already, Jonathan. And we were talking about Senator Harris, her speech at the NAACP the other night in Detroit as a moment when things shifted
[Martin:] Yes.
[Berman:] Where she directly took on President Trump. And it's not that the Democrats ignore the president, but many have been trying to run candidates sort of independent of him. And she also took on the issue of electability, which seems to be an acknowledgment to the presence of Joe Biden.
[Martin:] Yes.
[Berman:] And so this is a shift. You have seen a shift and are hearing about a shift from inside sources in that campaign, Jonathan.
[Martin:] Oh, absolutely. You know, in fact, the campaign confirms on the record that she is, in fact, going to now focus on prosecuting the case, which is her catch phrase. And they say that they recognize now that she is best when she is out there taking the case against President Trump, not getting bogged down in the sort of roster of litmus test issues on the left. And that's how they're going to project her going forward. This has caused tensions, though, in the campaign because there has been a camp of people that haven't been pushing her on this to really embrace the prosecutorial background. But at the same time, she's faced immense pressure on her left flank. And, you know, being from California, she's sensitive about the kind of demands of her party base because obviously growing up in politics in San Francisco, that's a constant push and pull, you know, on you. So I think they've now gotten to the point where two things happened, the Barr hearing happened and Biden got in the race. And I think seeing Biden take on President Trump and seeing her go after Barr, it crystallized this for the Harris folks, this is our best strategy here
[Camerota:] Josh, I just did one of my signature one of our signature voter panels.
[Berman:] You said "my." You said "my."
[Camerota:] On CNN and the person that that small slice of voters in Pennsylvania, three of them want more Kamala Harris. Let me play you a little portion.
[Pat Flannigan, Pennsylvania Voter:] Kamala Harris. I think she's provides a contrast to what to what Trump is. I think she provides a great opportunity to win.
[Nasya Jenkins, Pennsylvania Voter:] Definitely Kamala Harris. Not only is she a woman, but she's also a woman of color. I feel like she has the energy, she has the plan, she has the mindset to go against somebody so disgusting.
[Camerota:] And, Josh, I guess my point is that, is this a case where the media has been slow on the uptake with Kamala Harris. Beto O'Rourke has the cover of "Vanity Fair." Pete Buttigieg is on "CBS Sunday Morning." But, you know, the voters, if you look at our CNN town halls, it's Kamala Harris who sets the record for viewers and ratings and who the people want more of.
[Josh Green, Cnn Political Analyst:] Well, I think Harris got off to a terrific start. I mean she had an enormous launch event with 20,000 people there. She did very well in first quarter fundraising. But I get the sense, talking to voters, that she hasn't really distinguished herself. You have Biden and Bernie as the front runners, you have, you know, Warren pitching a lot of policies, helping to shape the race, you have Buttigieg as the exciting new candidate. She hasn't really quite gelled in the minds of a lot of voters. And I think that's reflected in Jonathan's piece when you see the struggle, you know, should she try and apiece the far left of her party and go in that direction, should she try and appeal take more of a centrist stance? I think one of the reasons she hasn't gotten more media attention is that she hasn't really, a, drawn big poll numbers that would justify along the lines the way that Biden has, and, b, it's not quite clear what her what her candidacy stands for at this time or how she ought to be portrayed. But certainly on paper, you know, she's someone who is a top tier candidate and ought to be getting the kinds of attention that it sounds like these voters want her to get. So maybe we'll see more of that soon.
[Berman:] Well, one of the most interesting questions in our most recent poll was, which candidate do you want to hear more about, and she was leading.
[Martin:] Yes.
[Camerota:] Absolutely.
[Berman:] She clearly and I thought that was an interesting question. It's one I hadn't really seen before.
[Martin:] Yes.
[Berman:] It was a really revealing question to me, Josh. And it's a mixed bag because, on the one hand, it shows there's a lot of room for growth that they want to hear more about Senator Harris
[Green:] Yes.
[Berman:] On the other hand, it shows you that the time spent from January, which was a much ballyhooed launch, to now, that maybe it could have been used differently or more effectively if they're still wondering what she's about.
[Green:] I think that's probably right. But, you know, the other fact of the matter is, the media, the political media especially, tend to gallop in the direction of one candidate at a time. And, you know, the boom over the last month or so has been for Pete Buttigieg. He's been, you know, very available in the media, he's been all over TV, magazine covers. You know, maybe his moment has faded a little bit as Biden has come in and shown that he's got big leads in the polls. But with 22 candidates running in the field, I think that that's what it is at the last count, you've really got to do something to stand out and stand apart. And my sense is that Harris really hasn't managed to do that yet. But we we all know that the quickest way to attention in politics in the Trump era is to frontally attack Donald Trump. And it sounds like that's that's the direction she's going to take now. And judging from history, that's a pretty good bet if you want attention to pick a fight with Trump and hopes hope that he notices and responds.
[Camerota:] All right, J. Mart, Josh Green, thank you.
[Martin:] And he has, guys
[Camerota:] Yes, quick quickly.
[Martin:] He called her nasty twice. I was going to say, he has. He's called her nasty in the past week two different times, which kind of vindicates this pivot, a picking a fight with Trump is what Democratic voters want and it gets you the most attention from us in the media.
[Berman:] And you asked her about that?
[Camerota:] She laughed it off.
[Berman:] She laughed it off.
[Camerota:] Yes. Thank you, guys, very much.
[Green:] Thank you.
[Martin:] Thanks.
[Camerota:] OK, up next, Republican-led Senate panel subpoenas President Trump's son, Don Junior. What will President Trump do about that?
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