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[Donald Trump, , Presidential Candidate:] We will build a great wall along the southern border.
[Trump:] And Mexico will pay for the wall.
[Unidentified Correspondent:] President Enrique Pena Nieto disputes that, tweeting, quote, "I made it clear, Mexico will not pay for the wall."
[Trump:] We did discuss the wall. We didn't discuss payment.
[Hillary Clinton, , Presidential Candidate:] You don't build a coalition by insulting our friends.
[Trump:] There will be no amnesty.
[Clinton:] Say one thing one day and something totally different the next.
[Trump:] Maybe they'll be able to deport her.
[Announcer:] This is CNN breaking news.
[John Berman, Cnn Anchor:] Hello, everyone. I'm John Berman. Kate Bolduan is off today. We begin with breaking news out of Florida, a huge explosion rocking Cape Canaveral just a short time ago. It happened on the launch pad used by SpaceX. We know they had a launch set for Saturday. Look at these pictures just coming in. Response teams are at the site. At this point, no injuries are reported. Our reporters are gathering details and we'll get you the latest in just a moment. In the meantime, one battleground, two dueling rallies about to begin. Any minute now, Vice President Joe Biden will be campaigning for Hillary Clinton in Warren, Ohio. You can expect a sharp rebuke of Donald Trump's big immigration speech in Mexico moment. We will take you there live. Also Donald Trump, he is in Ohio today. He's got a rally in Wilmington, immigration speech, fresh off his trip down south, way down south, to meet with Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto. One thing Trump and Pena did not agree on, paying for the wall, and whether that was even discussed. Trump says it was not. The Mexican president says it was. Hours later, in Phoenix, Donald Trump reiterated that Mexico will pay for it, 100 percent of it. He also outlined what Hillary Clinton called Trump's darkest speech yet, a deportation task force, no legal status for undocumented immigrants unless they returned home and apply for re-entry. Want to get to CNN's Phil Mattingly. He's live in Wilmington where Donald Trump will hold a rally in just a short time. Phil, the Trump campaign, how do they feel about how everything transpired yesterday? It was sort of everything. A lot going on.
[Phil Mattingly, Cnn Correspondent:] Keep in mind, they're biased. It looks like they're very happy with yesterday. One Trump adviser explained it like this, yesterday showed Trump's ability to straddle both sides of things. Donald Trump, the diplomat, standing side by side with the leader of Mexico, and Donald Trump who can come back and talk policy and not move that far off what has been a permanent hard- line stance over the course of his campaign. We've heard what the Clinton campaign has said in response. When you talk to Trump officials, they felt a little bit like the trip, particularly on such short notice, was a bit a Hail Mary, and they felt like they completed that pass John?
[Berman:] Phil Mattingly for us in Wilmington. The issue in politics at this point in the campaign is about addition, did you add any voters. Joining us now to examine that is Anthony Segura, a military veteran, an NRA firearms instructor. He supported Donald Trump beforehand, but was keenly interested in what Trump would say in this immigration speech. Anthony, thanks so much for joining us right now. Anthony, you listened to the speech. Give me your general thoughts.
[Anthony Segura, Nra Firearms Instructor & Military Veteran & Trump Supporter:] I did. I thought it was very good. I agreed with probably 90 percent of it. There's a few issues I take exception to. I would actually like to talk to him about it. I thought the speech was very good.
[Berman:] Donald Trump made clear there will be no legal status for any undocumented immigrants, any of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country, unless they leave. This is exactly what he said. I want you to listen.
[Trump:] For those here illegally today, who are seeking legal status, they will have one route and one route only, to return home and apply for re-entry, like everybody else, under the rules of the new legal immigration system. There will be no amnesty.
[Berman:] Now, I understand you support some kind of legal status for undocumented immigrants here. So how do you respond to that?
[Segura:] I do. Yes, well, my wife is a Mexican immigrant who came here illegally, and now she's a brand-new U.S. citizen, is going to vote for the first time. And, you know, we have a lot of friends. She works a lot with the Mexican community. Well, more than just Mexican, immigrants. And there's a lot of hard-working immigrants that are here, that have family here, their kids are here. And I think and Donald Trump has said this. He wants to look at some of this stuff, case by case basis. I think that needs to be looked at. I believe Donald Trump, once he becomes president, will actually look at that.
[Berman:] Well, he didn't say that. What he said was no legal status for any of them. So his current position is any one of them could be deported. Joining us with a different perspective is Artemio Muniz. He is the head of the Texas Federation of Hispanic Republicans. Artemio you were a "not sure yet" before this speech from Donald Trump. Where are you now?
[Artemio Muniz, Director, Texas Federation Of Hispanic Republicans:] Well, you know, I was in the not sure and I was going to leave my the slam blank. But at this point, with what I heard last night, I can't support Trump. I can't sell the product he's trying to give to the Hispanic community. Pretty much he's doubling down on the same losing strategy that has cost us three elections now, with the presidency, with McCain, with Romney, and Romney's self-deportation. Romney has admitted that was a mistake. So, yeah, at this point, I can't support what he's selling. I think he doubled down on a losing strategy.
[Berman:] Is that decisive at this point, nothing else he says can win you over?
[Muniz:] I can't support the removal of DOCA, telling children who right now are going to school and can't be deported that I can't knock on their door as a Republican and say, hey, vote for us, we're going to deport you. It just doesn't make sense. Also, you know, again there are hard-working people here who are allies, they're wealth creators. George W. Bush understood this, and that's why he was able to win 40 percent of the Hispanic vote. We're going back on that legacy. I heard the gentleman talk about how his wife was a legal immigrant. My parents were illegal immigrants. I'm proud of that. Because they did what they had to do to give me a shot. Now I just graduated law school. We have one of the largest manufacturing plants in Texas. I say that with pride. Trump should know, of all people, you do what you have to do to make a dollar in this country. I feel the Republican Party is betraying that legacy. We're party of the entrepreneurial spirit, of capitalists. You do what you have to do to make a better life for your family. We're losing allies today. I want Republicans to be sure when they hear this that they understand, if we do lose, why we lost. We're throwing away the battleground states of New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado. We have a huge opportunity. Hillary is so vulnerable on immigration. We can really beat her up. And right now, I don't have anything to say to win those hearts and minds.
[Berman:] Just to be clear, you are a Republican, yes?
[Muniz:] I am Republican. My first I ran a presidential campaign for Alan Keyes, of all people. I'm hard-core conservative. I've run races in an 80 percent Hispanic majority district, a battleground states. Gave the Republican Party its first ever Hispanic state representative. I am as hard-core Republican as you can get. Look, at the end of the day, the party has to decide, are we going to follow the big-tent compassionate conservative point of view or go with this divisive strategy. I hope we win. I really do. I hope Hillary has some kind of meltdown because that's the only thing that can save us now.
[Berman:] Well, you say we hope we win but you don't want Donald Trump to win, that's what you're saying?
[Muniz:] That's right. Well, no, what I'm saying is I can't advocate for him in the Hispanic community. His strategy, he thinks he does not need the Hispanic vote. Unfortunately, I think the Hispanic community is going to deliver that desire. Trump's strategy is to win the a historic number of Caucasian votes. You know, that's the losing strategy. I really believe it's the best strategy from the beginning. He still has a few days. I hope he's listening to this. He can change his mind. But at this point, you're not going to win the Hispanic vote.
[Berman:] You think that speech last night again was a turning point?
[Muniz:] It was. It was. Because, you know, a lot of people were watching. The build-up, the marketing of this event. A lot of people were wondering. When he visited with the president of Mexico, I was getting text messages, I was getting phone calls, like from people who have not voted Republican in a while. They were asking me, wow, is he really going to do this, is he really going to soften, is he really going to pivot. And I kept saying, look, let's wait for the speech. We did wait for the speech. And what he said, unfortunately, is the same old tired losing strategy since McCain and Romney. At this point, the only thing we can hope for is for Hillary to meltdown.
[Berman:] And, Artemio, Donald Trump says he did soften. He just said that this morning. He had a radio interview with Laura Ingraham. Let me read you what he said. He said, "Oh, they're softening. Look, we do it in a very humane way." He talks about deporting people, I image. "We're going to see with the people that are in this country, we've got a lot of people in this country you can't have. Those people will get out. Then we're going to make a decision at a later date once everything is stabilized. I think you're going to see there's really quite a bit of softening" You're not convinced there's softening?
[Muniz:] Absolutely not. Three of my friends on the council have resigned from the council. These were guys that were hard-core Republicans. They were ones that helped Trump. They resigned this morning. It's not softening. It's doubling down. He's going to remove DOCA. We have millions of children who can't be deported, are going to school, are working, they're contributing. Now he's proposing taking that away and only addressing their situation until he does all these 10 steps. We're talking about years. We're talking about leaving people in the shadows. We're talking about being deported any moment. So, you know, the Hispanic community and those that care about immigration, they know what it adds up to. You can't spin it. I mean, it's simple. Everybody knows what's going on here. Unfortunately, these guys that are in this campaign that went with fair numbers, you would say, it's the same old losing strategy. These guys have cost us three elections. I want Republicans to know, if we do lose this election, this is why, because we give away traditional battleground states.
[Berman:] Anthony Segura, let me ask you, you've been listening to what Artemio has been saying about this, why he did not like Donald Trump's speech tonight. Convincing?
[Segura:] Not for me. I believe that his speech was right on. We do have to have a path for legalization. But if it means that they have to leave, then they have to leave. We have to take back our country. That's what Donald Trump said last night. We need to take it back. We have so many criminals here.
[Berman:] Take it back from whom? Anthony, take it back from whom?
[Segura:] Take it back from the criminals. We need to stop the illegal immigration. We need to stop the drugs. You go to northern New Mexico, northern New Mexico is one of the hubs for overdoses of heroin. We need to stop that. I don't know how else we're going to do it, unless we build a wall, and we have to stop the immigration.
[Berman:] Artemio, last word?
[Muniz:] If he wants to take back our country, he can start by digging up the bodies of American soldiers, who were illegal immigrants, who died in Iraq and Afghanistan for this country. Illegal immigrants have been painted with this brush and, at this point, I think the Hispanic community is fed up with it. You have people who have served this country. And I want to know how much that was. I heard Corey Lewandowski yesterday say some things about illegal immigrants, a Marine who died in Fallujah. These are guys who have served our country. We have guys building, creating wealth for this country. At this point, we better change our rhetoric. If not, we're going to lose the presidency again.
[Berman:] Anthony Segura, Artemio Muniz, thank you so much for being with us. Appreciate your perspective guys.
[Segura:] Thank you.
[Berman:] Any minute now, Vice President Joe Biden will hit the campaign trail. What will he say about Donald Trump's speech last night? My bet, he didn't like it. We'll bring you the remarks live. And then breaking news this morning, a big explosion on the SpaceX launch pad. This is at Cape Canaveral. Response teams just arriving on site of the blast. We have details ahead. Plus, other breaking news, just moments ago, a brand-new forecast for the tropical storm heading to Florida and perhaps the entire northeast. This is expected to become a hurricane very, very soon. We'll give you the new forecast next.