[speaker001:] Okay. Uh good afternoon.
[speaker004:] Good afternoon.
[speaker001:] This is our third meeting already. I hope you enjoyed your lunch. [vocalsound] I did anyway. [vocalsound] Um let's see. Presentation three. Okay this is um the second phase uh we're going to discuss today. It's the conceptual design meeting. And a few points of interest in this meeting um are the conceptual specification of components. Uh conceptual specification of design. And also trend-watching. Um these are hopefully the points you addressed in uh your pre uh presentations you're going to show me in a few minutes. Um but first I'll show you the agenda. Uh first the opening. Then we have three presentations. Uh after that we have to come to a decision on remote control concepts. How we're going to make it. And then we're closing. We have about forty minutes. Uh so I suggest let's get started. Uh did someone encounter any problems during the preparation? No?
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker004:] [gap]
[speaker001:] Everything fine? That's nice. Then a little uh thing about the last meeting. Uh these are the points um we agreed on. The requirements and the target market. Uh requirements are uh teletext, docking station, audio signal, small screen, with some extras that uh button information. And we are going to use default materials. Um does somebody have any comments on these requirements? Maybe? No? These are just the the things we thought of, so maybe if you figured something else or thought of something else, just let me know. And maybe we can uh work it out. And we're going to target uh sixty to to eighty year old customers. So now everybody knows what we're do we're doing, um I suggest let's get started with the presentations. So shall we keep the same uh line-up as uh last time?
[speaker004:] Sure.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker004:] I'll start off then.
[speaker001:] Good luck. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Doh. 'Kay I'm uh gonna inform you about the trend-watching I've done over the past few days. Um we've done some market research. We distributed some more enquetes, questionnaires. And um besides that um I deployed some trend-watchers to Milan and Paris to well get all of the newest trends. And I've consulted some additional trend-watch trend-watchers, after the original trend-watchers return, about what the the best design would be. Um okay these are some overall findings. Um most important thing is the fancy design. Um the research indicated that that was by far the most important factor. Um innovativeness was about half as important as the fancy design. By innovativeness this means um functions which are not featured in other remote controls. Um about half of, half as important as the innovativeness was the was easy to use. Um for our um group, we're focusing on the people of sixty to eighty y years old, this is um, these factors are slightly more equal. 'Kay these are some more group specific findings. Uh the older people prefer dark colours. Uh they like recognisable shapes, and familiar material. And our surveys have indicated that especially wood is pretty much the material for older people. Um this is, this image will give you a little bit of an impression about um the look-and-feel that um the remote should have. Um this leads us to some personal preferences. Uh the remote control and the docking station should uh blend in in the in the room. Um so this would mean no uh eye-catching designs. Just keep it simple and [disfmarker] Well the docking station and small screen would be our main points of interest, because this would be the [disfmarker] These would uh be the innovativeness in the remote control. So this would be very important that we [vocalsound] at least include these features. Um well the trend-watchers I consulted advised that it b should be, the remote control and the docking station should be telephone-shaped. So you could imagine that uh the remote control will be standing up straight in the docking station. This is not really [disfmarker] This is pretty much a new shape to uh older people. So they would prefer uh a design where the remote control just lies flat in the docking station. So it would be kinda more telephone-shaped. Um besides that we would advise um to bring two editions, one with a wood-like colour and maybe feel, and one with a grey-black colour. The wood-like for the more uh exclusive people. People with more money. Uh the grey-black colour for well people with less means. That would be all.
[speaker001:] Okay. Thank you. Any questions about the the trends?
[speaker004:] Any questions?
[speaker001:] Mayb
[speaker002:] Mm no.
[speaker001:] No? Okay, we go on to the next one.
[speaker002:] [gap]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Um [vocalsound] 'kay um yeah. [gap] uh some uh research uh a about um designing of an interface. Um the uh last meeting uh we had a about um uh using a f few buttons. So uh um uh that's w what I what I want to uh uh to do in uh our design. So um finding an attractive uh way to control uh the remote control. Um the uh [disfmarker] I found some uh something about uh speech uh recognition. So maybe uh we can uh use uh that. Um [disfmarker] Uh and uh using a little uh display. So um findings. Um yeah just um we have just to focus on the primary um functions. So uh only uh buttons uh for uh sound, um for uh on-off, um uh shifting u up uh sa uh ca channel or uh down shifting down. Um uh let's see. Um yeah and [disfmarker] Uh [gap] we uh need some uh new a attractive functions uh uh which attract uh uh people for using it. So uh it's uh like a speak uh speech uh recognition and um a special button for selecting uh subtitles. Just uh what we uh mentioned uh last uh meeting. Um and yeah overall um user-friendly. So uh using uh large large buttons. Um [disfmarker] It's uh possible to uh uh to make um quite cheap uh system for uh speech uh recognition. Um you can think about um uh when you lost your um remote control, you can uh call it and um it gives an um sig signal. So uh uh yeah. And and uh for uh shifting up a sen uh c ch channel or uh for um uh putting out uh sound or something, you can uh just give a sign uh say um sound off or [disfmarker] A and uh yeah. Television uh put the sound off uh put the sound off uh. Um [disfmarker] Let's see. Uh yeah. I was thinking about the special uh button for uh subtitles, um just one button to keep it uh simple. Uh one push on the button uh you get uh uh small uh subtitles. Um double push push um, if double click, um so uh you get uh big uh subtitles, for uh people uh um uh which c f uh who can't uh read small uh subtitles. So uh [disfmarker] Um [disfmarker] Yeah and w we have to keep uh in general buttons uh so um we've got um the buttons we have to use. The on-off, sound on-off, sound higher or lower, um the numbers, uh zero to uh uh nine. Um the general buttons m more general b one button for shifting up and shifting down uh channel. Um also we want to uh use a little d display uh for um for displaying the uh the functions of the buttons. And um we can uh build in a function f which uh shows the channel or some uh which the t television is on. So um made a little uh picture of uh it. Um [disfmarker] See. Um yeah. Just um we can put uh the on-off button uh over in this uh corner, um almost uh e all uh remote controls uh are using a on-off button on that place. Um so uh people uh will uh recognise uh um the button.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] So um [disfmarker] D display uh of it, it's uh just a small display. Uh um you can put it uh on top. Um it's uh most uh uh place where people uh, most of [gap] looks at. So uh um and a special uh button for shifting up uh and uh shifting down uh channel, um it's uh on place where um the thumb of of the [disfmarker] So you you can uh easily uh shift up or shift down. Um it's uh quite uh handy place. So um and uh all the f functions for subtitle uh one button, uh for sound uh [disfmarker] Uh and uh for our design, um uh we have to discuss about it uh I think uh so uh the form of it so [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] And that's it.
[speaker001:] Uh thank you. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Okay. About the components design. Um for the energy source we can use a basic battery or, a as an optional thing, a kinetic energy, like in a watch, which you just shake and it produces energy. But if we choose for that option, the docking station would c become obsolete. So I don't think it's really an option. Uh for the casing, uh the uh manufacturing department can deliver uh a flat casing, single or double curved casing. It's really up the the design that we're gonna use. It's uh doesn't uh imply any technical restrictions. Uh as a case supplement, we could um, I thought of that l later, uh a rubber uh belt, like a anti-slip. Uh for the b buttons, we can use plastic or rubber. And the chip-set, um it says simple here, but it should be advanced, because we're using an LCD uh screen. And as uh the trend-watcher presentation showed, um people like wood, but it raises the price and it doesn't really fit the image, unless we would start two product lines. Form should follow function overall. Um well the kinetic energy source is rather fancy. But depends on what we want. I think we should disc discuss that. Um for the case, uh the supplement and the buttons, it really depends on the designer. And the chip-set uh really should be advanced because otherwise uh it would really be a simple uh remote control. And that's it.
[speaker001:] Okay. Thank you. So that brings us to the discussion about our concepts. Mm.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] 'Kay. So these are the points we have to discuss. Um first I think we can talk about the energy source, since that's um has a pretty big influence on production price, uh and image.
[speaker002:] [gap]
[speaker001:] Uh so uh f I think first of all we have to see uh it is possible to introduce kinetic energy in our budget, I think.
[speaker003:] Yes w there there are four options. We could use the basic normal battery.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Uh a hand dynamo. But I don't think that's [vocalsound] really an option.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay [gap]. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] You don't wanna swing before you can watch television.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Uh solar cells. But not every room is very light
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker003:] so it's not a very good option.
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker003:] Or the kinetic energy.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Okay.
[speaker004:] And how exactly does the kinetic energy work?
[speaker003:] Well
[speaker004:] You just [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] y you basically shake your remote, and then it powers up.
[speaker004:] You use it and it works.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Nah.
[speaker004:] Well personally I don't think that older people like to shake their remote control before they use it.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah. That's true.
[speaker004:] And besides that you mentioned it would make the docking station obsolete.
[speaker003:] Oh.
[speaker004:] And I think our docking station could be one of the marketing issues with which we can um get great popularity for our product.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But
[speaker004:] Um wel
[speaker002:] what's the function? Yeah f for loading up uh the batteries [gap].
[speaker004:] Yeah you could load up the batteries,
[speaker002:] B b
[speaker004:] you could um insert the find the lost remote control function in there.
[speaker002:] Okay but uh it won't use uh much e energy uh I I believe. Uh it's uh just a small display so I believe uh it will run on one battery for um six months or f or or more. So I believe one battery uh is just enough.
[speaker001:] Uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Uh so [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Uh well I think uh elderly people just like to have everything in place.
[speaker004:] That's true. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] And I don't think they they like uh remotes just laying everywhere in their rooms.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] So maybe a docking station will help them give the remote a place.
[speaker002:] Yeah. That's true. Yeah.
[speaker001:] And also what you said. Um you can introduce voice recognition by uh finding back your remote.
[speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Yeah.
[speaker001:] But I think it's um more efficient and cheaper to put it in the docking station. So you have a but button on your docking station which you can push, and then it starts beeping.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] And then we can we can still use the voice recognition, but maybe then for only the the channels.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Uh.
[speaker001:] That's safe.
[speaker004:] I'm wondering um what will the voice recognition mean for the production price?
[speaker001:] Yeah. That's a good point.
[speaker003:] Mm I don't have any information on pricing. So I'll have to ask the manufacturing department.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker004:] 'Cause in our earlier um market research, if you'd allow me to go to the flat board, SMARTboard.
[speaker001:] Yeah, sure. Go ahead.
[speaker004:] Um so it was open here. Um we also um asked if w they would, if people would pay more for speech recognition in a remote control. Well you can see here, our target group would not do that.
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker004:] So if that would increase the price for which we're selling our remote control
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker004:] I would greatly advise not to do it.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] I think that would be better to uh insert in our other product, that is meant for the
[speaker002:] [gap]
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] younger people.
[speaker003:] But that would also go for the LCD screen then I guess.
[speaker002:] 'Kay.
[speaker003:] It's a bit higher percentage, but [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Um well this is Yeah but this is here the question was, would you prefer it. So that doesn't really mean they wouldn't pay extra for it. And on top of that the LCD screen would um help in making the remote control easier to use.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] And I think a voice recognition function would not make the remote control much easier to use.
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Easier to use? No, I think that's a good point.
[speaker002:] But uh is uh our uh research um about um bi large uh LCD sh uh display, or uh just a small one uh we want to uh use?
[speaker004:] Um well this was for like an LCD screen like you would have on a on the the most advanced mobile phones.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker004:] So pretty large.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I personally think the LCD screen we wanna use, with the extra information, I think nobody has anything against it. Because it's just uh some extra information,
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] and it's easy to ignore as well.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So if you don't wanna use it you just don't use it. And um yeah I think the um [disfmarker] Maybe we have to uh discard the voice recognition. Because it will increase cost uh signifi uh significantly. And I don't think the [disfmarker] I don't think it will be a lot easier to use, as well.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So that brings us back to the energy. If we don't have the voice recognition, it will it won't use a lot of energy to use. Um [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] So in that case we could use kinetic uh energy, but I think just a simple battery which you can reload on a docking station is just as good. And much cheaper as well.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] And that's the best choice.
[speaker001:] Okay let me just choose for the battery. That brings us to the chip.
[speaker003:] Well there isn't any choice there because we're using the the the the display.
[speaker001:] Just the advanced.
[speaker003:] So it's gotta be advanced.
[speaker001:] Okay
[speaker004:] 'Kay.
[speaker001:] [gap], advanced chip. And then we get to the point of the case. Um which brings us a little bit back to marketing as well. Uh if we wanna choose for wood or the black and grey. Or both? Um as we saw there is not [disfmarker] Yeah wood is a lot more expensive to produce.
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] Um but I think it will attract elderly people who wanna have something exclusive, which they can show off to their grandkids.
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] Look I've got a new remote control, and uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Well
[speaker002:] Uh I dunno.
[speaker004:] [disfmarker] [vocalsound] And I think most important factor there is the wooden colour. So it wouldn't actually have to be wood,
[speaker001:] Yeah. That's right.
[speaker004:] if it's just wood-coloured.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] But with colour was a lot more expensive? Or?
[speaker003:] Mm I dunno.
[speaker001:] You don't know?
[speaker003:] I'll have to uh research.
[speaker001:] I think so because [disfmarker] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Probably.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] It's a lot more difficult to to handle and to to get in the right shape.
[speaker002:] Uh is it possible uh to make um changeable uh case. So um uh you 'cause uh [disfmarker] Yeah with uh mobile phones uh uh so uh like the Nokia mobile phones, uh when you can change the case of it.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Change the cases. Yeah.
[speaker002:] So maybe it's possible uh possibility. So um um you have just to make one um standard um remote control, and um yeah you can sell uh few uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] You can sell the cases.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I think that's a very good option. Because um then you can advertise as well with the [disfmarker] Give your grandfather a new case for his remote control, or whatever. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Because that's a [disfmarker] it's something extra, it's something other remotes don't have,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] which we can get a great advantage point.
[speaker004:] Yeah that is true.
[speaker001:] So and then you can make them with colour. Black and grey, other colours as well.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah. We would have to look carefully into the design though.
[speaker001:] Costs.
[speaker004:] 'Cause we would have to make one w uh control which would fit in with a wooden cover and a plastic cover. The more original one, or the more standard one.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah. So
[speaker004:] So that would [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] you suggest we should design two different telephones on which you can apply, yeah [vocalsound] remote controls, on which you can apply different case covers, for example.
[speaker004:] Well I wouldn't design a telephone
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] but [disfmarker] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Well no I think w we should just, we should then just design one um
[speaker001:] Remote.
[speaker004:] one remote, but it would have to be fancy with either the wood cover or the plastic one.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Okay.
[speaker004:] So, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
[speaker001:] So everybody's okay with the changing covers?
[speaker003:] Yes.
[speaker001:] I think that's a good uh good option.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Changing case covers.
[speaker004:] Um I heard our Industrial Designer talk about uh flat, single and double curved.
[speaker003:] Yes.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Could you explain that a little more?
[speaker003:] Well the the general like most older remotes are flat, just straight.
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] And uh our d manufacturing department can also deliver single curved or double curved ca curved cases.
[speaker004:] And what would single curved and double curved mean?
[speaker003:] Um it would just only affect the form, for as far as I know. So it's j really just up to the design department what we're gonna use.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker003:] It doesn't really matter for the price or the functionality.
[speaker004:] So we can pretty much just do whatever we want.
[speaker003:] Pick one you like, yes.
[speaker001:] Mm. Okay.
[speaker004:] 'Kay. That's good.
[speaker001:] Uh but the form has to be um [disfmarker] It has to [disfmarker] It's has to be possible to stand up? Or just only to lie down?
[speaker004:] No just to lie down.
[speaker002:] [gap] okay.
[speaker001:] And the the cover of the the docking station is also
[speaker004:] We'll go for that.
[speaker001:] on top of the television then? Or not?
[speaker004:] Well or besides it.
[speaker001:] And you can just yeah then click it in. That's okay. Um so the interface. What type of interface do we want to use? Um maybe you can make a little drawing of it on the
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] on the the board.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] Does somebody have ideas for a form or
[speaker002:] Uh we can just use the regular form of it, but it's um not quite uh fancy. So um [disfmarker] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Um you uh said you wanted to put the um changing channels button on the right side, so you could, so your thumb would be easily [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker004:] Well uh I think that was a very good point 'cause I pointed out earlier that a lot of remotes cause RSI. So that would be great for that.
[speaker002:] [gap]
[speaker004:] Um I thought maybe we could just make one of those buttons on both the left and the right side.
[speaker002:] For uh [disfmarker] Uh for [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] For left-handed users also.
[speaker002:] Yeah yeah.
[speaker001:] Yep.
[speaker002:] Mm. Yeah we Is it possible to um program it s so uh you got on the left side uh or on the right side uh buttons for for shifting u up and shifting up? And on the uh other uh [vocalsound] uh o other side uh buttons for uh shifting, uh for for the sound?
[speaker004:] For the volume.
[speaker002:] Or [disfmarker] Or isn't it?
[speaker004:] Um well
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker004:] that could [gap] Yeah we could do that but I'm not sure if that would be very good for the easy, ease of use.
[speaker001:] Usabili Yeah ease of use will be a lot more difficult,
[speaker002:] Yeah okay.
[speaker001:] and then it's [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Uh.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] But if we would make um a changing channels and changing volume button on both sides, that would certainly yield great options for the design of the remote.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker004:] 'Cause it could be made all symmetrical and stuff.
[speaker002:] Yeah but [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] But you have extra buttons.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So people can get confused.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] That is true.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Especially if they have the same writings on it.
[speaker002:] See um yeah. Or we have to make a left uh [disfmarker] For lefties
[speaker001:] Can't we make uh [disfmarker] Can't we make a remote which you can flip over and use on the same
[speaker002:] and [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] functions as the normal one?
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] You mean um [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Then you have to [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah if [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Let's see if I ca A blank one. And then you get [disfmarker] Here's a little LCD screen. Uh now I have to think. It's a plus and a min. No it's not very handy I think.
[speaker002:] Mm no.
[speaker001:] Because the plus and the min will be opposite and all kinds of [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] No that's not gonna work. I guess. Maybe we should [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Um [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah. But is it a problem that left-handed persons use a different hand? I think the functions are that basic that nobody should have any problems with uh choosing a channel
[speaker004:] Yeah. That is true.
[speaker001:] or [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah. It's just uh u using uh your thumb.
[speaker001:] Y yeah. Yeah.
[speaker002:] So um it's [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] I think we could just uh leave it a normal shape.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh but maybe we have to make it a l a bit more fancy. In one or ano another way.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Um [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] I think we should start by by choosing a case. Because that's the basis you're building on.
[speaker002:] Yeah yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Um yeah
[speaker003:] So I could draw them out.
[speaker001:] just [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Let's look at the flat case. Oh. It's from the side so it's rather normal.
[speaker002:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] The the single curved so I'm not really sure what they're gonna look like, but I think it's something like this. So this type should be better for you or better [disfmarker] Should prevent repetitive strain injury a bit.
[speaker001:] Easier?
[speaker003:] And the double curved s looks something like this I guess.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker003:] So th those are the three options we have.
[speaker001:] 'Kay.
[speaker004:] Mm.
[speaker001:] I suggest um the single curved, because maybe the curve is pretty good to put the the screen in.
[speaker002:] [gap]
[speaker001:] Uh so that elderly people can uh use the remote control and at the same time look easily at the screen, because it's a bit, it has a bit of a angle.
[speaker002:] So um [disfmarker] Do you say this um [disfmarker] S uh [disfmarker] Uh you got like uh sort of a [disfmarker] I believe [disfmarker] [gap] There?
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] So um you want to put a display over here? Or not?
[speaker001:] Yeah. I think so. Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Um [disfmarker] Yeah. Uh
[speaker001:] But now it's [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] we can make it um [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Do you have it upside down or [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Mm?
[speaker001:] Do you have it
[speaker002:] That's the top. So uh
[speaker001:] this that's top? Okay.
[speaker002:] this top. This down. Um maybe it's possible to uh make this side like um [disfmarker] Let's see. Um [disfmarker] Colour uh okay. Uh to make this side um like mm the right colour.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Um bit like so uh um in the form of your hand. So um [disfmarker] Uh it's an [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So so the remote control have to um lay in your hand. So uh it's possib um yeah for s so and
[speaker001:] So get your mouse. Yeah.
[speaker002:] And to put uh the the buttons for um changing uh the channel uh over here uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah. That's a good one.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But I think it's better to put the screen uh on top.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Uh rem
[speaker001:] So just flip it a hundred and eighty degrees around then you get [disfmarker] [gap] here.
[speaker002:] Yeah but this place um [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] If you can have this one, you turn it like this. And then flip it upside down.
[speaker002:] Uh it's [disfmarker] Yeah I dunno um [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Because uh maybe your hand is in the way, if you have the display here.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] It's more logical to have it on top as well
[speaker002:] [gap]
[speaker003:] because, like on your mobile phone, it's always above.
[speaker001:] I think i
[speaker002:] Yeah so [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] On top.
[speaker002:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Oh maybe you should just s start on a blank page.
[speaker001:] [gap]. So
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] then we get [disfmarker] Here's [disfmarker] That's the curve.
[speaker002:] Five minutes. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Here the display, and then buttons. Yeah and then we can have a little bit off here and here maybe. Just that's for left hand and right hand users.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] And then h the rest of the buttons over here.
[speaker002:] Yeah. But um the on-off button, um still on the top uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah still here
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] jus
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] That's [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] And I'd prefer the corners to be round.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah. 'Kay.
[speaker004:] Think that would be better.
[speaker001:] Should be more bit more friendly, yeah.
[speaker004:] Friendly on the eye.
[speaker001:] 'Kay. Supplements. That's okay. Where's my mouse? Then [disfmarker] We've got a general idea of the concepts and the materials we're going to use. So now for the next meeting uh we'll have to look at the look-and-feel design. It's important that the corporate design image uh is going to be in the remote. So check out the corporate website maybe. The user interface design, it's the same story. And product evaluation. So the Industrial Designer and User Interface Designer are going to work together on this one. But you're going to get your instructions I think sended by the coach. So just um I will put these um minutes on the in the folder.
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker001:] And then we're going to uh try to finish our project, and uh make a good design for all the grandfathers and grandmothers, I think.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Which are [disfmarker] Uh let's see. I'm not sure if you're going to start right away to work together or [disfmarker] I think you're going to fill in the questionnaires first.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And then you'll get a message.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So that's uh basically it. Maybe this one? Then we can save this one in the folders group. Uh yes, it's here.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] SMARTboard, there it it. So if you wanna have a look at it, it's over there in the projects folder.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And then I guess we'll start in thirty minutes again. Thank you.
[speaker004:] Very good.
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Okay.