[Lemon:] Tonight, you saw Fareed Zakaria's special report on the terrible toll of the Iraq war. War that many reshaping the 2016 company. Fareed is here with me. And also with us special correspondent Jamie Gangel news on the republican who the might be biggest threat to Jeb Bush's presidential ambitions. Fareed, I'll start with you. It's good to have both of you.
[Jamie Gangel, Cnn Correspondent:] Thank you.
[Lemon:] Fareed, I'll start with you, is it good, do you think, for the country that we are re-litigating the Iraq war right now?
[Fareed Zakaria, Fareed Zakaria Gps:] Well, we're not really re- litigating it, but you're certainly right, we're reanalyzing it because there are lots of people at this point, you know, Donald Trump has said on 60 Minutes, he wants to go into Iraq, put boots on the ground and fight ISIS there. So, in a sense, there is a call for a major new intervention. And one of the questions we have to ask is why did the last one not work? Unless we can learn the lessons from that. We're not talking this time about, you know, a far distant country that's very different. We're talking about going into the same country fighting the same war. Again, surely, we want to learn something this time around.
[Lemon:] Yes. I was wondering, I was sitting there watching it with one of my producers and we were all in and be seeing it and saying, this is so fascinating because we lived it, but it's fascinating because when you consider the information that we have now that we didn't have then, and now that Jeb Bush is, he's having to defend his brother. Tony Blair apologized, you saw, and in your interview. Si this, what does this mean for his campaign that he's having to defend his brother? Can he live this down, so to speak?
[Zakaria:] I think it's very tough. I think that, you know, people say that Bush George W. Bush is popular in the republican base. He's popular amongst some republicans, but there are an awful lot of republicans who are embarrassed by, you know, by watching this and there's a sort of a series of so many errors. that when they want to then say, you know, Obama is incompetent or something, this is a very tough period to have to go through because it reminds you of how many mistakes you say those photographs of how order just collapse in Iraq. Donald Trump has told the military do not do anything. And then, when people would ask, he'd say, stuff happens, freedom is messy. To have to watch that again, I think it's very tough for somebody to come out of that thinking, oh, yes, the Bush administration made all the right decisions.
[Don Lemon, Cnn Tonight Show:] Listen to what Donald Trump said to Jake Tapper on State of the Union.
[R) U.s. Presidential Candidate:] Right now, Iraq is a training ground for terrorists. Right now, Libya nobody even knows Libya. Frankly, if there is no Iraq and there is no Libya. It's all broken up, they have no control. Nobody knows what's going on.
[Jake Tapper, State Of The Union Show:] So, the world would be better off with Saddam Hussein...
[Trump:] A 100 percent.
[Tapper:] And Gaddafi in powers.
[Trump:] And as far as Assad is concerned.
[Tapper:] What about the human rights abuses? TRUMP; Let's talk you don't think they're happening now? They're worse now than they were ever were, people are getting their heads chop uo, they're being drowned, they've right now, they're far worse than they were ever under Saddam Hussein or Gadhafi.
[Lemon:] There are plenty of voters who agree with Donald Trump.
[Zakaria:] There are plenty of voters and of course there were plenty of republicans voters at the time. Remember, George Bush's Secretary of State, Collin Powell, basically had a view not so dissimilar. Which was these guys are bad guys, but they're in a box. Keep them in a box. He went out for a two or three-hour dinner with Bush and tried to convince him. It didn't work out. And that's why I think this is important. Becaue if Collin Powell was not able to convince Bush at the time, we have all this history, we say we all this knowledge. The next before the next guy wants to jump in, we should at least be sure we understand what happened, why it didn't work, what could be even if we're going to do stuff, at least how to do it better the next time.
[Lemon:] Jamie, do you want to comment on that or but I also want to go on and talk about the refugee crisis.
[Jamie Gangel, Cnn Correspondent:] Go ahead.
[Lemon:] OK. All right. Let's talk about it because Donald Trump made some comments about the refugee crisis that got my attention and raise my eyebrows. Take a look at this.
[Trump:] Would we be better off, as an example in Iraq, what are we doing? What are we doing? The migration was caused by Iraq, by Libya, by this. We want to give people freedom? We're not going to have our own freedom pretty soon if we keep doing this. We're not going to have our own freedom. They don't want freedom. It's like I saw somebody I won't even say because it's embarrassing. We want it with the women over there don't have to wear the you know what. And then I said, well, that makes sense. That's nice. Then I saw women interviewed. They said we want to wear it. We've worn them for thousands of years. Why would anybody tell us not to they want to. What the hell are we getting involved for? The fact is it's easier. You don't have to put on makeup. Look how beautiful everyone looks. Wouldn't that be easier? Right? Wouldn't that easy? I'll tell you, if I was a woman, I don't want to, I'm ready, darling, let's go. It's true.
[Gangel:] We're sitting here laughing at it and I ask Marco Rubio in the interview because Trump had also said that this line about the Hispanics love me. And Rubio said, this is Donald being Donald. And what you just don't know is when does it end? When does he cross the line? When isn't it OK anymore? Or is he like an entertainer or a comedian...
[Zakaria:] But to be fair, isn't there there is an element of real intelligence to what he's saying. There are a lot of people who say those are far distant cultures, why are we coming in there and imposing our values? I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I'm saying as with everything Trump says, there's always a cross of intelligence...
[Lemon:] A certain grain of this, and it's probably one of the most interesting things you've ever heard about foreign policy because he inserts some sort of humor in there.
[Gangel:] Right. But if any other candidate said that, they would be out.
[Zakaria:] By the way, the one thing I would correct him is under those burkas, the women have a lots of makeups. They're really Donald.
[Lemon:] So, let's talk about Jeb Bush's adviser, Jamie, they gave him a PowerPoint presentation to donors today, as I understand.
[Gangel:] Right.
[Lemon:] Listen, Marco Rubio, in one slide as a GOP Obama.
[Gangel:] Right.
[Lemon:] You caught up Marco Rubio own in the campaign trail.
[Gangel:] So, look, two things happen today. The one is, the Jeb Bush folks they're looking at one number, 8 percent, sometimes, 5 percent.
[Lemon:] Right.
[Gangel:] They are shock and they are shaking things up. I was told today by sources very close to the campaign that they're ripping up the playbook, they're starting again, they said they had nothing to lose. And in the Bush family there is an expression they used for sports games which is "unleash chang," I think they are unleashing Jeb, at that's the plan. Let's see if it works, he's going to be very outspoken.
[Lemon:] Here, listen to what he had to say.
[Gangel:] So, if some might see, look, Jeb was your friend, he was your mentor, he helps you get elected, he helps you raise money. Some might say this is a betrayal. Couldn't you have waited for another election?
[Marco Rubio,  U.s. Presidential Candidate:] Well, I don't see the presidency that way. I don't see there's a line where we all waited just to presidency off to each other just because you've paid your dues. I'm running for president because I don't see anyone else on either side whose campaigning on the agenda and the views that I have. I don't view the president as some sort of honorific office that you just step aside and let someone else move forward. This is not that kind of thing. We've got to move forward in this country and turn the page.
[Gangel:] Jeb has suddenly not so veiled, painted you as Barack Obama 2.0. That you're young, inexperienced, first term senator. Is Jeb Bush more experienced than you are? Is that fair?
[Rubio:] Well, I think there are people who are running that have more experienced on the issues we faced 35 years ago, 25 years, or 15 years ago. When it comes to the issue before America and the 21st century, there's no one running that understands or perhaps has shown better judgment on them than I have. And so, when people run for the presidency or any office, they will say things because they think it gives them a competitive advantage. And that's fine. I understand the politics of it. But that's not what the campaign is about for me.
[Gangel:] He's rising in the polls, but the gloves are coming off on both sides.
[Lemon:] Yes. And he didn't seem to he didn't like those questions so much.
[Gangel:] No, I don't think so.
[Lemon:] But he answered it. Thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Fareed. I appreciate it. And I want to tell you the Fareed Zakaria special report "The long road to hell America in Iraq" re-airs tonight at midnight, 9 p.m. on the West Coast. Make sure you tune in. It is fascinating. Again, or thanks to Jamie and Fareed. Up next, good news for Dr. Ben Carson in Iowa. Could spell trouble for Donald Trump, though.