[Dr. Drew Pinsky, Hln:] Tonight a woman catches her husband cheating with a man. A famous televangelist says, "That is OK." And the Twitter verse thinks otherwise. Plus, masturbation workshop is making the rounds at college campuses across the country. And, this all starts right now.
[Pinsky:] Let us get started with the "Top of the Feed." Women, what would you do if your husband cheated on you with a man? That question was asked to Preacher Pat Robertson on "The 700 Club." Take a look at this.
[Carol:] My husband and I are Christians and have been together for 11 years. Recently, I found out he cheated on me with a male Christian friend in our church. He says it was a mistake that it just happened while they were drunk, and he wants me to forgive him. I do not know if I can. What should I do?
[Preacher Pat Robertson, "the 700 Club":] You have been married for 11 years, this guy got drunk
[Carol:] But with a male friend from church, that is kind of strange.
[Robertson:] Well, he did not know what he is dealing with. She says, should I forgive? Of course you should. If he were this way all the time, if he is a habitual drunk, if he is a habitual homosexual or all the rest of it then by all means, take a hike. But one time, 11 years, do not throw all that away.
[Pinsky:] Joining us Spirit, psychotherapist, Mike Catherwood, my co- host on "Love Line," and Vanessa Barnett from Hiphollywood.com. Mike, I am all for preserving marriage, and the sanctity of marriage, but what do you think of Pat Robertson`s advice?
[Mike Catherwood, Co-host Of "love Line":] Well, Drew, we know, some people are not habitual homosexuals, you know.
[Pinsky:] Part time?
[Catherwood:] Yes. Well, listen
[Pinsky:] It is what Adam Corolla call, half-mo.
[Catherwood:] Half-mo, yes. Pat Robertson is a dangerous guy. I cannot believe he is still a alive. And, I cannot believe "The 700 Club" is still a thing. And, I am being serious. If you are into organized religion, that is your thing. And, if it makes your live better, that is awesome. But, for him he is constantly giving out dangerous advice. He has no idea what he is talking about. There are videos of him telling women that they should not listen to their doctors because God will save them. Who knows what happened to them? And, this is another example of where he is totally out of touch. Who cares of who he cheated with? The fact is that he got drunk and he cheated. How many guys have gone home to their wives and they are like, "Honey, I made a mistake. I cheated on you, but I was so drunk." It is not an excuse.
[Pinsky:] It is not an excuse.
[Spirit Clanton, Psychotherapist:] This takes situation in totally different level, Dr. Drew, that it is a man.
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Clanton:] This is not, "Oh, I went out and I had an affair with, you know, the bible study lady at the church. This is a totally different issue."
[Pinsky:] Well, it means that he got some issues with his sexual orientation in addition.
[Clanton:] That is another issue. It could just mean that he has not told her about the issue.
[Pinsky:] Right. And, so, him to say, "Hey, listen. Eleven years of marriage, just stick it out. It just happened once. Keep moving." No, we got some Houston. We have a problem. What does this mean for us? What does this mean for you? And then let me decide if I want to go forward and continue to be married.
[Catherwood:] It speaks to a bigger problem. I am sorry to interrupt. But, I will say that it is guys like Pat Robertson and, you know, you notice that the young lady she led off her e-mail
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Catherwood:] with, Pat, we are Christians, OK?
[Pinsky:] Yes.
[Catherwood:] So, and he met this young man in a church.
[Clanton:] Was he Christian when he was drinking?
[Catherwood:] Was he Christian when
[Pinsky:] Right. That is right.
[Vanessa Barnett, Social Commentator:] But, I am not shocked that he said
[Pinsky:] Vanessa. Vanessa. Vanessa is bursting out of her leather warm leatherette.
[Barnett:] Because it is not shocking. Look, if you are a Christian, as I am, forgiveness is what we preach. And, so, God can forgive our sins. Of course, he is going to say forgive him. Now, you may not want to stay with the man who is obviously gay, but I have known women who stay with men for far worse things.
[Clanton:] I am not saying do not forgive him. I am not even saying break up. That is not what I am saying.
[Pinsky:] We would agree with you, Vanessa. I think Spirit and I, trying to salvage a marriage is important.
[Clanton:] That is right.
[Pinsky:] You make a vow, till death do you part.
[Barnett:] Right.
[Pinsky:] You commit to this thing. People Marriage is way too disposable these days.
[Clanton:] Just thrown away. BARNETT I get the message.
[Pinsky:] But, this is something much different.
[Clanton:] That is right. That is right.
[Pinsky:] This is about whether the man should be in a marriage.
[Ba Rnett:] I am not staying with a gay man. Let us just make that argument. I am not staying with a gay man, right? That is not an option for me and should not be for most women. I think that is a big issue.
[Pinsky:] I think that is Spirit`s point.
[Clanton:] That is the question. That is the question.
[Pinsky:] Is he gay or not?
[Catherwood:] It is not fair to him nor is it fair to her. Clearly, with someone who probably biologically does not want to be with you.
[Pinsky:] And, the drinking, I tell you, the drinking has nothing to do with it
[Clanton:] Right. Great excuse. [21:00:01]
[Pinsky:] Except it is an excuse and, by the way, if anyone is worried about cheating, drinking really increases the probability
[Clanton:] Exactly.
[Pinsky:] that cheating sessions going to occur.
[Clanton:] Lower those inhibitions.
[Pinsky:] Now, you guys, I get your point
[Catherwood:] Drinking does not make you gay?
[Pinsky:] No.
[Catherwood:] OK.
[Pinsky:] It does not do that. But, joining us via Skype, I have Josh Weed. He is gay. He is also married to a woman. So, Josh, explain you have heard this conversation we have been having with this panel. Explain to me how this works for you.
[Josh Weed, Gay Married To Woman:] Well, it works well. Part of the reason it works for me, though, my wife and I We have been married for almost 13 years, but she knew I was gay for years before we got married. So, the situation you are talking about I think is very different than our marriage.
[Pinsky:] We agree with you.
[Catherwood:] Yes, totally.
[Pinsky:] That she That is what Spirit said. She has to under The wife has to have first of all, the guy has to know what and who he is.
[Clanton:] Right.
[Catherwood:] Right.
[Pinsky:] And the woman has to know what she is entering into. How does this work for you, though, Josh? Are you sexually attracted to your wife? Do you have sex with your wife? How does that work?
[Weed:] Yes. We have a good sex life.
[Pinsky:] Hold on, stop. How could that be?
[Barnett:] Come on!
[Clanton:] He is bisexual.
[Pisky:] Are you bisexual? That is a good question, Spirit.
[Weed:] No. I am not bisexual. I am gay, 100 percent gay, but we do - you can choose with whom you have sex.
[Clanton:] OK.
[Weed:] So, I am not actually physically attracted to my wife.
[Clanton:] Wait. Drew is confused. Wait. Stop.
[Barnett:] I am confused.
[Clanton:] No. This is it. This is it. This means remember, we talked about sexual orientation is different. So, what he is sexually attracted to is men, but he is engaging in heterosexual sex. It does not mean that, that is the attraction.
[Pinsky:] This is another layer of this
[Clanton:] This sexual fluidity thing.
[Pinsky:] This is another layer of this that I get my head around.
[Clanton:] Yes.
[Barnett:] This spitting on the sanctity of marriage. I am confused.
[Clanton:] Oh, please. People get married for all different reasons. Sometimes, they get married for business reasons, for health reasons.
[Barnett:] And, that is not why it should be done.
[Clanton:] I would agree. I would agree.
[Pinsky:] Vanessa, you have a question. She seemed very spun by this?
[Barnett:] Why get married? Why cannot she just be your friend and why do not you go and date the men that you are so obviously attracted to?
[Clanton:] Great question?
[Pinsky:] Go ahead, Josh.
[Weed:] OK. It is a valid question, but I love her. She is the person that I love with all my heart, and so I chose to be with the person that I love and make it work.
[Pinsky:] She entered into this with full, I think, maybe she was in denial or something, Spirit. I do not know. You know, people are you know, the gay man is a better form of the male, Mike.
[Catherwood:] Well, I could do anything to wake up gay.
[Pinsky:] We will get into that and more. We need to take a quick break. Stay right there. We will be right back.