[Piers Morgan:] Thanks, Anderson. We've got much more coming up on Gabby Giffords and one of her closest friends, Florida Congresswoman Debbie Wassermann Schultz. I want to welcome my studio audience and all of you at home, for a special PIERS MORGAN LIVE, taking your questions and comments. Tweet us @piersmorganlive or straight to me, @Piersmorgan. But we begin with the breaking news on North Korea. Pyongyang could launch a missile any minute now with absolutely no warning. I talked to a woman who knows just how dangerous and unpredictable the regime could be. She was held prisoner for 140 days, only got out when Bill Clinton intervened. Euna Lee is the author of "The World is Big Enough," and she's here along with CNN's chief international correspondent, Christiane Amanpour. But I want to start by going first to Kyung Lah who is in Seoul. Kyung, what is the latest? I believe it's now tomorrow as far as we're concerned where you are, which means this could be the day that a missile is unleashed. Is that your belief it will happen today?
[Kyung Lah, Cnn International Correspondent:] Well, that's the belief of the South Korean Presidential Office. They believe that because April 10th is the date that's been cited by Pyongyang in a couple of other bulletins, they really believe that it is going to happen on April 10th. If you look at the pattern of when North Korea has done these previous launches, they have always been in the morning time so the indication from the government is that they believe now is the highest probability of a potential missile launch. Something I should mention, though, Piers, is that normally the South Korean Oceans and Fisheries Department is notified prior to any sort of launch. This time around, they weren't notified. You can read this two ways, either they're not going to do the launch right away or they're going to do it without any notification, which really tells us a little bit more about the unpredictability of Kim Jong-Un.
[Morgan:] I've got a question actually from an audience member here, Eunju, which is relevant I think for you, Kyung, because you're over in Seoul at the moment. What is your question?
[Eunju, South Korean Audience Member:] I'm a South Korean citizen. And we've been living with numerous threats from North Korea for over the past 50 years. So is the current threat different or is it even different from the ones in the past?
[Morgan:] It's a good point, isn't it, Kyung? I mean, there have been so many of these saber-rattling threats. But there is a feeling, Dick Cheney apparently briefed Republicans today, that he felt and his quote, "We could be in deep doo-doo," in this situation because of the unpredictability of a new young young leader in North Korea. What is the sense you're getting form the people of Seoul?
[Lah:] It's two-fold. One is that you're right, people who live in South Korea, they're used to being told that they're going to be burnt down into a sea of fire. That's something that's normally said out of North Korea. They're numbed to it. So there isn't any sort of panic or extreme alarm from people of South Korea. Here's what is different. What is different is that the threats from Pyongyang are now coming from that young unpredictable leader, he is untested. We simply don't know him. The rules are very different. We have a president in South Korea who is a woman, also untested. The first woman to lead a country that has been traditionally very male oriented. So the players are different. But also the threats are different. They have been rapid fire, day after day after day. There's been a ratcheting up. There has been a rapid fire progression of them. Back now what appears to be the good old days of Kim Jong-Il, they were they were a little more spaced out so it's a bit more unpredictable. Put all of those factors together and the fact that they're speaking now more directly to the United States, this is a bit of a different game. Even though South Koreans, Piers, may feel more numbed to it than the international community.
[Morgan:] Kyung Lah, thank you very much indeed. Christiane Amanpour, you've covered this for a long time. How serious do you think it is? Is it any different or do you detect it may be different?
[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn Chief International Correspondent:] I think for all the reasons that Kyung says, it's different mostly because nobody quite knows how Kim Jong-Un is going to react, and unlike his father and his grandfather, when one of these provocations is ratcheted up, they seemed, according to the U.S., to know how to get off, how to get on the off ramp. They're not sure whether this young leader does. So that's the unpredictability. You know, there's been a lot of fear about his nuclear threats. There's not a single official anywhere, South Korea, the United States, Japan, anybody who I've spoken to, with a shred of credibility who believes there's any chance of any nuclear device being launched any way any how. But the question is what will they do with their missile test. Now it's sort of taken as a given, kind of that it's going to happen, they don't know when, will it be today, the 10th, will it be the 15th of April, which is the founder of North Korea's birthday? When will it be? And what will happen? Will it be a missile fired as a test, in an open area, in water, in some where that's unpopulated that doesn't create any harm or anything, in which case the United States today in testimony on Capitol Hill, the Pacific Command admiral said that he would recommend not shooting such a missile down. Things change. If the missile is directed in anger at an ally, South Korea, Japan, Guam, and then they would they would have to shoot that down.
[Morgan:] Euna, you have a unique perspective on this. Obviously you've been held in North Korea. What is your take on the current crisis?
[Euna Lee, Author, "the World Is Bigger Now":] Well, as Christiane said, we this is a new leader and we really don't know if he is the power, the main power or who is the power, you know, behind him. If you understand Korean history, Korea, 5,000 of Korean history, they deal with invasion after invasion and they really do not like to deal with or controlled by a stronger or bigger country. And it is important for North Korea to portray themselves that it is independently strong country that can protect its citizens.
[Amanpour:] And they are, by all accounts, by U.S. official accounts as well, desperate about their survival. They really do worry about their survival. They see regimes being toppled left and right all over the world. They know that they're just in an armistice, and not in a full peace with the United States and South Korea. And so they are worried. The question is, how do you achieve some kind of resolution to this? Well, the United States is relying to a great deal on China. Secretary Kerry is going to be there at the end of this week. Many top U.S. officials are going to China to try to figure out how
[Morgan:] Can China do enough, do you think?
[Amanpour:] Well, apparently the U.S. says no, not enough yet. It has regretted publicly what North Korea's doing. There's a huge move in the Chinese public media and public sphere saying gosh, you know, really, is it worth us sticking to this wayward ally? But the Chinese army is, you know, quite committed to it so the new leader of China, according to U.S. officials, has to be persuaded that it's in China's interest as well as the whole region's interest to bring North Korea into line.
[Morgan:] Final question for you, Euna. When you were on the North side, what is your experience of the North Koreans by comparison to the South Koreans?
[Lee:] Well, if I recall my detention in Pyongyang, I thought North Korea, when you talked to
[Morgan:] Right.
[Lee:] From other countries to its citizens.
[Morgan:] Well, certainly a tense time. But we shall see how it unfolds. Thank you both very much indeed for coming today. And I want to turn to the stabbing rampage on a Texas college campus today. Fourteen people were injured. Two of them are in critical condition tonight. And joining me now two students at the Lone Star College, brothers Jonathan and Jon Paul Clayton, said they could have prevented the bloodshed with a hand gun. And on the phone is student Michael Chalfan, he's also Texas State also a Texas State Senator Dan Patrick, who is also in favor of concealed firearms on campuses. So welcome to you all. Let me start, if I may, with Michael Chalfan, because you actually witnessed what happened today. What did you see?
[Michael Chalfan, Student, Lone Star College:] Well, I saw a male running toward me when a guy by the name of Stephen Media, if I got that correct, tackled him to the ground and while others helped out and police also helped out as well. So basically, simultaneously they all came and wrestled him to the ground with really no I would say no hesitation from him.
[Morgan:] Did you see the weapon he was using?
[Chalfan:] No. I did not see it. I was about 20 to 30 feet away, so I didn't see a clear view of it. But I do remember them wrestling him to the ground. He didn't struggle a lot. He just kind of gave up.
[Morgan:] Let me turn to you, Jonathan and Jon Paul. Although you didn't see the incident, you have quite strong views about how you think you should be empowered to deal with this kind of thing. Tell me what you think should happen.
[Jonathan Clayton, Student At Lone Star College:] Well, sir, I think that you know that we as students, are I mean, we are adults and the government does not permit us to have carry weapons even, sir, even if you have the certificates and certification to carry a handgun. I think that law should be changed for protection.
[Morgan:] So you basically both think
[Jon Paul Clayton, Student At Lone Star College:] I agree.
[Morgan:] Right. You both think that you should be allowed to carry guns at school?
[Jon Paul Clayton:] Yes, sir. If you're properly trained and have the certifications and all the legal papers, because 99.9 percent of all gun owners are legal, abiding citizens.
[Morgan:] Right. But you do have armed you do have armed security guards there, right?
[Jon Paul Clayton:] Correct.
[Jonathan Clayton:] Yes, sir, we do. We have our own police officers here.
[Morgan:] Where were they?
[Jonathan Clayton:] They are they are all throughout the campus, sir, but since there's about I'm guessing around eight of them, if I remember correctly, sir, and there's a couple hundred or thousand students on campus at one time during this, so eight officers can't guard and protect everyone on campus.
[Morgan:] You see my argument would be that far from with respect allowing all the students to carry guns, which I think would descend the school into total Wild West madness, isn't there an argument that this could have been a lot worse if the if the person carrying the knife had had a gun? I mean, they'd all be dead, these students. So although it's been used as an argument by people like yourselves in favor of more guns, I would argue it's a it's a compelling situation where if there had been more guns, more people would have been dead.
[Jon Paul Clayton:] Well, I can respect your argument, Mr. Piers. Really, this is the only places we cannot legally carry a gun if you have the proper permits is college campuses, post offices and airports, and now airports, you can legally carry knives and stuff, but then you can't even carry a knife legally on a college campus? And this this particular incident didn't even involve a gun, but would allow us to protect ourselves just like we can anywhere else. So the law
[Morgan:] But don't you think don't you think
[Jon Paul Clayton:] Thirty rounds in this place.
[Morgan:] Let me ask you both, don't you think I mean, how old are you both?
[Chalfan:] I'm 22, sir.
[Jonathan Clayton:] I'm 20 years old.
[Jon Paul Clayton:] I'm 26 years old.
[Morgan:] OK. I mean, do you not think if all the students are armed, though, that the kind of day-to-day conflict which goes on on all schools and college campuses could very quickly escalate into much more dangerous situations if everybody had a gun?
[Jonathan Clayton:] Well, we're not saying everybody should have a gun. I'm saying that
[Chalfan:] I agree but that shouldn't stop somebody from carrying a gun.
[Morgan:] You're not saying everyone should how many should have guns?
[Jonathan Clayton:] Anyone that's permitted and goes through the right training, sir, I think should be able to carry a gun. Long as they go through the proper government safety laws, sir. And get the training.
[Jon Paul Clayton:] And get and get the certifications that all gun owners are required to have to have a concealed hand gun permit on their person.
[Jonathan Clayton:] On their person.
[Morgan:] OK. Dan Patrick, let me come to you. Do you agree with this?
[Dan Patrick , Texas State Senator:] Yes. In fact, I thought you were going to have a new issue tonight, Piers. I thought you would want banning of knives all over America because you have wanted to ban guns and let's in a very serious mode, Piers
[Morgan:] See, why would you
[Patrick:] Thank God
[Morgan:] Why would you start the conversation by being so completely facetious?
[Patrick:] Because actually the way you've been thinking about the whole gun issue, I found just totally out of touch with reality.
[Morgan:] I know. It's crazy, isn't it? It's crazy that I think that 100,000 Americans being shot a year is out of control.
[Patrick:] Yes.
[Morgan:] Crazy, I think the 30,000 Americans who kill themselves every year or shoot others with guns is out of control. Call me crazy. I think it's absolutely shameful. So I want to try and reduce the gun violence, not increase it.
[Patrick:] Yes. Well, you don't reduce, you don't reduce gun violence or any violence by taking guns away from law-abiding citizens.
[Morgan:] No. You actually do. You actually do.
[Patrick:] You should have figured that out by now, first of all.
[Morgan:] No, no, you really do.
[Patrick:] Secondly
[Morgan:] If you go to Japan or Britain or Australia or a number of other countries I could name where they have very strict gun control laws, it is so difficult to get your hands on guns, you don't have the gun violence. It is a proven demonstrable fact.
[Patrick:] Yes. Well, this is America. This is yes. Well, this is America and our Constitution gives us the right to bear arms. This is not Tokyo. This is not Finland. This is not whatever other country you want to talk about, Piers. This is the United States of America. And in America, where law-abiding citizens have guns, crime is down, like in Texas.
[Morgan:] But I've got a lot of Americans in this audience who are all shaking their heads on what you're saying. So how do you equate that?
[Patrick:] Well, they well, they're probably northeast liberals who don't understand
[Morgan:] Actually well, actually half an hour well, actually as you know, we are half an hour from Newtown. We are half an hour from Newtown.
[Patrick:] That's fine. In Texas, in Texas, we believe in defending our families and our properties with guns and crime is down. In Chicago, where you have some of the toughest laws against guns, crime is up and I wouldn't want to be out on the streets in Chicago. I'll be out on the streets in Houston or Dallas and San Antonio and feel safe. And secondly, Piers, thank God this young man did not have a gun today. Think about the massacre that could have been stopped if another student had had a gun. And my guess is if this student with the knife had known that people with the CHL, law-abiding citizens had a gun, he wouldn't have stabbed 12 or 14 people today. We just had a gun class this past weekend in Dallas offered to schoolteachers. It was free. Seven hundred schoolteachers came out to take advantage of this course. Piers, CHL holders are responsible gun owners. All the things you're saying about there would be the Wild West, that's what they said back in the '90s when Texas passed this law. There will be road rage, there will be barroom fights, there will be, you know, neighbors shooting each other over a noisy dog. None of that, Piers, has ever happened. It hasn't happened. I my heart breaks for what has happened in America, whether a college or an elementary or a high school campus. It could happen anywhere. But in Texas we believe we have a right to defend our life, our property and the lives of a third party if we could help them.
[Morgan:] OK. Got to leave it there. Thank you all very much. Very quickly, Christiane Amanpour, I can see you reacting to that debate. What is your view? Because you've in proper war zones around the world.
[Christiane Amanpour, Cnn:] Well, look, I mean, this debate has been going on for a long time. The fact of the matter is that in states inside the United States where there are tougher gun laws, there is lower gun crime. And I think you are right in saying that, in these other countries which have had their own massacres which then took these measures, there has been very little if not any gun crime. So I think that is that is a real fact and I'm watching it on my own program; we know that Thursday is going to be the real showdown day in the U.S. Capitol to see how the Congress reacts; Newtown families are there. They have been talking about it. And they're very committed to sensible gun control, not taking away people's rights to have the guns that they're allowed to have. But look, even the Columbine massacre, they say, wouldn't have happened had there been these background checks, so the third person would not have been able to buy these guns.
[Morgan:] [Inaudible] to me, just believing the obvious. And the ideas all come down just to that to me is offensive to those families in Newtown. But let's take a break. Coming up, Harry Reid [inaudible] get us any vote on guns this week, filibuster or no filibuster. I will talk to various people about that. And also Gabby Giffords in a remarkable interview that she conducted earlier. So we'll have a lot more on guns after the break.