[Chris Cuomo, Cnn Anchor:] The system, the system, the system, a metaphor for discontent about the establishment, is it something that's hurting Donald Trump? Is it something could ultimately reward John Kasich at a convention? Let's discuss all this with the national chair of Young People for Kasich, Gregory Caruso, and CNN political commentator and Trump supporter, Kayleigh McEnany. Let's start with the latest piece of sound that Donald Trump has kind of this manifesto of madness at the system that he has. Let's listen.
[Donald Trump , Presidential Candidate:] It's not a system. There was no voting. I didn't go out there to make a speech or anything. There's no voting. And, you know, I heard Pete say, well, that's the way it is. Well, that really shouldn't be the way it is. This was changed in the summer to help a guy like Cruz. And it's not right now. You know, I won as an example, South Carolina. I won it by a landslide. Like a massive landslide. Now they are trying to pick off those delegates one by one. That's not the way a democracy is supposed to work.
[Cuomo:] But, Kayleigh, isn't that exactly the way a democracy is meant to work. Those words were done and in many cases, a year in advance. Everyone knew about them. Everybody had a chance to prepare and it is no secret that Trump is behind an organization. Is this sour grapes or is this a real case you think you can make that this system is against him somehow?
[Kayleigh Mcenany, Cnn Political Commentator:] I think it's a real case. And it's not necessarily against him. But we have a problem and it's not democratic when you have 1 million voters in Colorado who were disenfranchised, on August 25th, the GOP committee out in Colorado decided that they didn't like how their voters voted in 2012. They voted for Rick Santorum. They were unhappy with that. When Donald Trump was leading in the polls, Ben Carson leading in the polls, they didn't like that. So, in August, they said, you know what, sorry, voters, you don't get a chance. You don't get a voice in this. We know better than you. It's our turn, not your turn. That is completely wrong. That's not how democracy works. The people should have a voice in all cases.
[Cuomo:] But it's up to the state party, right?
[Mcenany:] But it's up to the state party. It shouldn't be that way, though.
[Cuomo:] And everyone had a fair chance, right?
[Mcenany:] No one had a fair chance, because people didn't get to speak.
[Cuomo:] No, everybody had a fair chance. Everybody had a fair chance.
[Mcenany:] To buy for delegates who are party officials. And, by the way, as you said in your introduction, you know, this system is a metaphor for the establishment. And the GOP would be very wise to listen to their voters who have said in every state, 50 percent and above, that they feel betrayed by the Republican Party. This is why. Cases like this.
[Cuomo:] So, this is the rules obviously these rules were done, Gregory, without any idea or notion that Donald Trump would even be in the race. But now here we are. And John Kasich last night in the town hall was saying, look, the rules are bizarre. But you know what, the convention rules are what they are as well and I believe they're going to work for me. How so?
[Gregory Caruso, National Chair, Young People For Kasich:] Right, these rules weren't made just to stop Donald Trump from getting the nomination. They have been in place for a long time and this is electoral process, however bizarre it may be. So, I think John Kasich is he's been saying for a long time, we are going to an open convention after the first ballot, it will go to the delegates who will take the process very seriously. And that's where he's confident that he can come out with the nomination.
[Cuomo:] Where does the confidence come from do you think, Greg? You know, he says, well, we're getting momentum. It hasn't won a state except Ohio. Hasn't won a delegate in a month. Is the option for Kasich that you hope that the other two destroy each other and seem unelectable?
[Caruso:] Not necessarily. But I also argue that might have already happened or is starting to snowball. I think I think it comes the confidence comes from his experience. He has 30 years in government. He's been governor of Ohio and very popular in that state. So I think he has seen this before. And he's confident that he can come out of an open convention and then beat Clinton in the fall.
[Cuomo:] How concerned are you, Kayleigh, about what organization means to the person that you support going forward? This is not something that you win alone. Politics has never been that way. And now, it does seem that you are dealing with a better organization. In fact, Trump is saying it.
[Mcenany:] Look, organization is important, because even he though the rules are unfair, I don't see them changing, even though they should be changed. So, it's important in the event that you get to a brokered or open convention. But that being said, I do think Donald Trump has a real chance at 1,237. We talk about open convention, open convention, but we have New York, where Donald Trump will likely take close to 90, 95 delegates. You got New Jersey, you have Pennsylvania. The math ahead looks very good. So, I think there is a real shot at him getting to 1,237.
[Cuomo:] He has to win a percentage of delegates that he has not won to this point.
[Mcenany:] He does. It's a hard path, it's a narrow path, but it's one that can happen.
[Cuomo:] And one other thing, let's put these numbers really quickly, though, just for context, because Trump is very upset. The system is rigged and it seems to hurt me more. Raw vote, 37 percent. Delegate vote, put it up, 43 percent. How does it make the case that the system is hurting him more than anyone else when he is doing better in the system than he is with just voting of regular people?
[Mcenany:] Because here's the thing, that 43 percent of delegates you know, this is complicated. They vote on the first ballot. They are obligated to vote for Trump. But many of the delegates are actually not Trump supporters. They are Cruz supporters or they support other candidates. So, in the event of the second ballot, that 43 percent looks a lot, a lot smaller. They are not Trump people. They are just obligated by the laws of the state to vote for him in the first ballot.
[Cuomo:] That's called politics.
[Mcenany:] It is.
[Cuomo:] It is always up in the air ands you've got to work the system. Everybody knows that, at least everybody who has been in it. All right. Gregory Caruso, thank you very much. Kayleigh McEnany, appreciate the snapshot, as always.
[Caruso:] Thank you.
[Mcenany:] Thanks.
[Cuomo:] Mick?
[Pereira:] Well, Chris, there's certainly no shortage of angry rhetoric on the campaign trail this year. Candidates from both parties engage anything wars of words. Is that good strategy? And if so, which candidate benefits the most?