[Alisyn Camerota, Cnn Anchor:] OK, more breaking news. President Trump's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, is live on television. He is responding, just moments ago, to the president's apparent change in the story on the Stormy Daniels payment. Listen to this.
[Rudy Giuliani, President Trump's Attorney:] He didn't know the details of this until we knew the details of it, which was a couple of weeks ago. Maybe not even a couple maybe 10 days ago. Remember when this came up, October 2016. I was with him day in and day out then. I can't remember the details of what happened.
[Unidentified Male:] Why
[Giuliani:] And this was I know $135,000 I don't want to demean it but $130,000 sounds like a lot of money. It's not when you're putting $100 million into your campaign. It isn't pocket change
[Unidentified Male:] Right.
[Giuliani:] but it's pretty close to it at the end.
[Cuomo:] All right. Let's bring back CNN political analyst David Gregory and CNN chief legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin. Let's start with the law and move to the B.S. Jeffrey, what you're hearing there right now from Rudy, what does it mean?
[Jeffrey Toobin, Cnn Chief Legal Analyst, Former Federal Prosecutor:] Well, I mean I mean, speaking of B.S., I mean, what are they talking about? All of a sudden Donald Trump doesn't remember whether he reimbursed Michael Cohen for $130,000 paid to Stormy Daniels? Is that remotely credible, especially since the president just said on Air Force One a couple of weeks ago he knew he didn't do it? So, I mean, like how I mean, what are they doing? You know, look, I'm not someone who throws around the word lying but, I mean, they're just lying about all this stuff. I mean, there is no plausible explanation other than they are just lying about this entire series of events.
[Camerota:] Well, for sure, somebody's lying since the story has changed so often. But their story OK just so that we know it, based upon last night that Rudy Giuliani said for the first time publicly on Sean Hannity's show he said that Donald Trump had been paying Michael Cohen a retainer of $35,000 a month and so that is how Rudy Giuliani sees this repayment. That adds up over four months. You get to $130,000. And Donald Trump didn't need to know what that was going to because it was a retainer that he paid automatically every month.
[David Gregory, Cnn Political Analyst:] But it's not I think Jeffrey would agree that and all the lawyers that I've spoken to say that it's just not plausible that you have a lawyer who is going to make a payment who's going to resolve an issue like this and not share it with the client. And that why, by the way, was the Stormy Daniels accusation the one that had to be dealt with and settled. But what about all the other allegations? Those were not important and this one suddenly was? This was the most important one? I mean, it doesn't make sense that you're going to you have all this money, even if it's in a retainer doesn't know specifically that he's not going to share oh, this is a big one that we've got to settle because it could become a big P.R. disaster. So you have to believe that a lot of this lying and covering up about this is because they think it's a totally inappropriate expansion of a potential expansion of the Mueller investigation and they think it doesn't have anything to do with anything else. And now, it's gotten too far gone that they now have to try to explain it.
[Cuomo:] Right. Now and Jeffrey, let's just shed a little light on what's going on here which is very evident from the president's tweets, OK? This isn't getting in the weeds. This is a different standard. Obviously, they're lawyering up and they are preparing to deal with any legal exposure.
[Toobin:] Right.
[Cuomo:] And very often, the standard is different. For the court, it's you only know what you show, Mr. Judge and people of the jury listening to this prosecutor. So this all works what Rudy Giuliani is saying -in terms of the burden of proof that might be applied to any prosecution. But this is a very different standard. When stories evolve, that is a lack of credibility. When people tell you different things it's a lack of credibility. That's the court of public opinion but this is the President of the United States. He owes a duty to the people and not just to his own behind in covering for legal exposure.
[Toobin:] Right. Now, what Giuliani seems to be focused on is and this is proper for an attorney is was there any violation of law by Donald Trump in connection with this whole Stormy Daniels story? Now, the one theory of the possible illegality was that there was some misuse of campaign funds that was used pay her or that there was some sort of unlawful campaign contribution. He is saying that there was no campaign money used and he's saying further that Donald Trump was not using was not making a campaign contribution when he was paying this money to Michael Cohen. That may be a debatable proposition. But as you point out Chris, he's focused on is there any illegality here and asserting no.
[Camerota:] OK. David Gregory, Jeffrey Toobin, thank you very much. We have so much news. We need to move on because we're now seeing new video of the officers who were trying to stop the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history. When they what they encountered when they stormed the Las Vegas killer's room, next.