[Blitzer:] Law enforcement now averaging more than one arrest each week on of suspected ISIS supporters here in the United States. Four people arrested just this week alone in separate cases. Let's get some more. Peter Bergen, Tom Fuentes, Phil Mudd. Phil, how do we combat the spread of ISIS ideologically online?
[Philip Mudd, Cnn Counterterrorism Analyst:] You got to go to the source in Syria and you got to go to the recipients here in the United States, Wolf. There is way too much focus in the national debate in America about bombing our way out of this problem. As long as everybody's got a dog in this fight that is, the Russians, the Americans, the Turks, the Jordanians, ISIS will benefit from that chaos in Syria and they'll be propagating propaganda, there's got to be a more of a focus from Secretary Kerry and he's been accelerating the focus on a ceasefire in Syria. So everybody focuses on the common target here. Here in the United States, let me give you a simple message. For too long, the Americans, the American government in particular, has been trying to have an effort inside government to fight ISIS propaganda. You cannot have U.S. government officials competing against 22-year-old ISIS individuals, I'd say farm it out, pay college students 15 bucks an hour, you get online, you fight them, you're the tech savvy group. The government has to be more agile and faster against the ideology, Wolf.
[Blitzer:] Pretty good idea. Tom, does the FBI have the tools to monitor all of these ISIS recruiters and sympathizers here in the United States?
[Tom Fuentes, Cnn Law Enforcement Analyst:] Well, there's a couple parts of that question, Wolf. One is the tools including the manpower, the number of agents, analyst
[Blitzer:] Start with manpower.
[Fuentes:] Well, manpower, when they know of the cases, they have 900 investigations that they're saying in all 50 states right now. When you hear a case with one person arrested or one group of persons a week being arrested, I've run cases like that. I know the manpower that takes, the analytical support, the clerical, technical, everything that goes into that. So, there's a tremendous amount of manpower already being devoted, but then, when you add encryption to it, that's the one tool they don't have to be able to penetrate the encryption. And some of these politicians stating that the FBI should've just asked Silicon Valley after 911, that's ridiculous. They have been trying to recruit the best mathematicians, cryptologist11, and it's just nearly impossible task to defeat really well-done encryption.
[Blitzer:] Peter, does the ISIS recruit these young Americans or do these young Americans just go after ISIS who want to support, sympathizers join ISIS?
[Peter Bergen, National Security Analyst:] Almost invariably itself for recruitment, Wolf, but you k now, ISIS has a kind of two-step process which is if you look at their English propaganda online, they will give Twitter accounts for people and direct message them privately, once people have got kind of interested in the general message. So, there's some kind of public, kind of, back-and-forth amendments like encrypted back and forth as Tom mentioned.
[Blitzer:] Phil, we know that the model of ISIS is if you could come to Syria and fight with us, that's great. But if you can't come to Syria and fight with us, the ISIS model, then go ahead, carry out attacks at home. How much harder does that make it to stop these kinds of attacks here in the United States?
[Mudd:] It's not just harder, Wolf. It's a totally different game. Think of speed, simplicity, isolation, back 10, 15 years ago when Al- Qaeda was developing a plot, it was slow, it might take years, it was complicated, which increased the likelihood that they need to either be detected and the plot would fail, and it was network. That is, Al- Qaeda central is communicating which offers an opportunity for intelligence and law enforcement. Look at the California attack, speed and simplicity. They didn't need a lot of time or a lot of complexity to pick up the target at the County building and think about isolation. They didn't have to communicate with a network that allowed the government to find a vulnerability to intercept communications. The world has changed so fundamentally. It's almost like we're in a different terror game. It's not just an evolution of the game. It's a changed game.
[Blitzer:] Tom, we heard President Obama in his news conference today, making comparison between the terror attack San Bernardino, the killing by terrorist, and mass shootings that have been going on in the United States. He didn't mention specifics, but assuming Sandy Hook or Charleston, making that comparison, there's been some criticism of that. I guess criticism is these are very, very different kinds of killings that are going on in the United States. Your analysis?
[Fuentes:] Well, I think the effect of the killing is the same if you kill a large group of people with automatic weapons, but you know, getting to the ideology we have our garden-variety psychopaths in this country that go into elementary schools and slaughter two dozen four- year-olds then we have white racists that are inspired by the KKK or other neo-Nazi groups, go into a church in Charleston and kill black people. And then we have these, the jihadist that are in sympathy with ISIS or Al-Qaeda or Al-Shabaab or any one of the many variations of extreme Islam that are doing this. So, yes, there is a point that we have a lot of people being slaughtered in this country for a lot of different reasons by a lot of different people.
[Blitzer:] Could these ISIS terrorists be sort of inspired by mash shooters that have mass shootings that have been taking place?
[Bergen:] Well, we know from school shootings, that people who engage in school shootings, studied previous school shootings as a sort of inspiration. We just
[Blitzer:] Phil, there was a Kurdish official who saw a drone flying over. They didn't think it wasn't a Kurdish drone, it wasn't a U.S. drone. He suspected it might be an ISIS drone. Do you believe ISIS now has drones?
[Mudd:] Absolutely. If you look at the availability of drones on the retail market in United States where you can give one to your kid for Christmas, that drone has a visual capable in other words, it's got cameras on it that can surveil a target as easily as it can surveil a location, a house in suburban America. So, if I were an ISIS, you just look on Amazon, you can find what you want. I would be using that every day. It's simple. It's cheap.
[Blitzer:] Do you agree?
[Bergen:] Totally. And in fact, we know that ISIS is they're not but it's more sophisticated than the things they're finding on Amazon. They are they could using sophisticated surveillance drones.
[Blitzer:] All right, guys, stand by. We have a lot more coming up. Also, President Obama admits it's very tough to detect lone-wolf or husband and wife terrorist. We're learning new details about an alleged plot involving a friend of the San Bernardino killers. And Bernie Sanders versus the Democratic National Committee, why his campaign is now suing the Democratic Party leadership.