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One of the few lights shining out of this dark chapter of American history is sites like lucianne.com, American Thinker, Breitbart, and many others where the truth comes out if you want to know it.
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It´s time to give this guy the "Morsi" treatment.Joint Chiefs....are you listening ?
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"When, with modest effort and risk, we can stop children from being gassed to death and thereby make our own children safer over the long run, I believe we should act,"Following the great political playbook of other famous Chicago politicians, Do it for the children and never say how you should "act". Hey he acted!!Also "modest effort" does he do anything at the office any other way but modest? Heavens to Betsy no...it would cause his handicap to go up.
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I´m surprised Obama hasn´t lost it all yet. What with all those dead white guy portraits in the White House, the American flags always flying around him, having to lay those wreaths for those mostly dead white guys who spread so much horrible Americanism around the world, etc.
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stinky´s bogus card-house is coming undone.This likely makes him more nasty and dangerous than ever, but it´s what we wanted and needed, so let´s roll. Impeach now. Now.the piaps and huckleberry holder should be perp-walking in orange as well. It won´t happen, but the collapse of stinkyville might flush them out of the system finally, forever. It´s possible.Imagine taking a breath of piaps-free air...
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What a poseur! Can we hold out until 2016? God help us!
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We always knew that the end of barack obama would come in a noisy, nasty and emotional way. It´s happening before our eyes and there´s no stopping it now that he´s shown his empty self to the whole world. Very soon, even the media will not be able to find ways to hide the insane uncle in the attic.
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Are people so blind. It was so obvious. A man mentored by a cadre of America-haters. By an overtly racist preacher, Jihad Jeremiah, who brain washed an entire congregation of blacks with his vitriol. A mother who placed him in the hands of a transvestite nanny in Indonesia and a grandfather who directed him to a bisexual black communist. No wonder that even Obama does not know who he is. Combined with a shrike of a wife who never had any pride in her country mainly because she never had to earn anything. If you don´t struggle to earn something you don´t appreciate it´s value. Then top it all with the main sycophant main stream media which does everything it can to cover for this disaster of a President. Thanks lefties and all blacks who judge people by color and not character.
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Anyone know why the guys at American Thinker keep trying to rehab this guy?Obama´s not bright ~ he´s a thug who showers frequently.It´s finally occurred to me that most of the writers in the more prestigious conservative and libertarian venues did not grow up in BAD ZIPCODES!Mine was so bad ~ 46218 ~ that it was butt up against 46219 ~ and both managed to get rated in the TOP 25 BAD places to live. We did all our business in both Zips ~ had relatives there ~ friends ~ ........ ~ these places were so BAD they were BAD before anyone had a ZIP Code.None of us would have ever understood any of Obama´s behavior as anything other than as a scripted role in an ongoing criminal scam.There´s simply nothing positive about the guy. He hasn´t even expressed concern that there´s a mullah who laid a ´rape that girl´ fatwah on his daughters. Harry Truman´d ´glass parking lotted´ the town where that puke lived.
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Seems more and more are catching on to President Kagemusha.
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0bama (or whoever he really is) has never fooled a single person in his entire life that didn´t want to be fooled. He is here because the alternative was not acceptable to a large enough number of people. Which can be said of almost every president, but in this case the extreme choice makes it odd enough to be surreal.He will not change in his purpose. His ability to do irreversible damage while he is there could be affected at best. The difficult task is to wake up and rally enough fellow citizens in time to prevent this madness from continuing beyond him. The RINO led Republicans who lost to him twice simply don;t seem to be up to the task.
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Not that getting caught makes a difference. Started watching Fox´s new 5 p.m. Sunday show (they moved Political Insiders, which was excellent, to 3:30) with a Fair and Balanced host they garnered from CNN, and generally it was like watching Morning Joe------he and 95% of his guests, thought Obama perhaps a bit hazy but otherwise just fine in trying circumstances. (We turned it off, by the way. What IS Fox doing?????? Elizabeth Hasselbeck in the morning now? Giggles rather than news, and all sorts of cakes to bake and ribs to eat!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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But Politico is out today crowing that the Arabic press loves Obama. What they hide is the fact the Arabic press was polled about his first 18 months in office. For some reason they liked the idea of having an American President named after Muhammad´s horse. Shame on the Democrat Party.
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Excellent.In these last few months, the world has seen what happens when an intellectual lightweight with no fixed principles beyond the vestigial Marxism of his youth faces off against an unscrupulous post-Marxist survivor like Putin.If Obama didn´t have analysts, czars, the Media, his Marxist buddies and Valerie Jarrett to do his thinking for him, he´d have self-destructed long ago. He is a gnat on Putin´s rear end.As America first learned at Benghazi, you can fake your way through college, fake your way through the Senate, even fake your way through the presidency, but you can´t fake your way through a civil war in the Middle East.Fake. That´s surely the revelation Obama fears most -- that he will have been discovered by those who follow him to be a fake. The rest of us caught on long ago.
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FTA: "When, with modest effort and risk, we can stop children from being gassed to death and thereby make our children safer over the long run, I believe we should act..."And what did our "caring" undocumented 44th POTUS imposter have to say to Planned Parenthood´s assembled mass murderers of America´s children at their national "conference" in Washington, D.C. on April 26, 2013?..."Thank you, Planned Parenthood. God bless you..."
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Thank you Ms. Lucianne and Staff for making this excellent article by one of my favorite writers, Jack Cashill, a Must Read!!Jack is like a forensic scientist. He reconstructs events with facts which others ignore or willfully dismiss, and a clear picture of the truth is revealed. The MSM says "don´t confuse us with the facts", but Jack is like a forensic pathologist who examines injuries due to a crime and/or negligence in order to report to a court of law the cause of death or great harm. Forensic scientists/pathologists are seldom refuted in a court of law.Now if we could just get the "Impostor President" into a court of law and cross-examine him - wait, wait wasn´t a Congressional committee supposed to do that back in 2008 -- and wasn´t the Supreme Court supposed to have something to do with that when doubts arose????? s/off
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Only an idiot would ever think that this idiot is not an idiot.
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I shiver at the thought of how much more damage can be done by this imposter in the next 3years,3-1/2 months and the legacy of ruin he will leave for grandchildren and etc.
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The great danger is what this mullet will do to try to reclaim his "greatness" in history.
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Really an indictment of liberals who were and are still unable to see through the posturings of a scam artist who tells them the things they want to hear. Obama is a lightweight intellect, a passing fair ideologue and a genius con man.
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From the beginning, I personally cringed whenever he said "we." Not for a moment did I think he shared our heritage.
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Once again, a biographical description of Obama that mentions details of his freshman year at Occidental, but is silent as to any hard information concerning his alleged sophomore, junior and senior years at Columbia.
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Too bad it took Putin to tell the Masses what all of us read and learned about this fake in the WH a long time ago. It almost makes me even madder, if that is possible.Now his incompetence will affect the world. But, I have a feeling this is what the One wanted all along. Destroying America isn´t enough.
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One has to wonder why the Congress and the Supreme Court seem to support this inapt community organizer.I can´t help but wonder if the old adage "Follow the Money" Isn´t running our lives.Is that money coming from, the one person I know who hates our country, George Soros.I believe it is possible that our government is corruptibleThe more I see both parties bowing to the whims of bho the more I believe we are doomed as the free country envisioned by our founders.
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Yes, we all knew- except the media and the libtards. But- He is now the President of this once great nation and weilds unimaginable power. So- there you have it. Go get a cup of coffee and chill. You got three more years and they are promising to be real doozies.
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Cashill´s last paragraph -" When Putin shot Obama´s balloon down over Syria no one should have been surprised.As America first learned at Benghazi, you can fake your way through college, fake your waythrough the Senate,even fake your way through the presidency, butyou can´t fake your way through a civil war in the Middle East."
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To quote the inimitable Uncle Si, "That´s a fact, Jack!"How can we rid ourselves of this man, mindset and his minions?
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Obama wants everybody to be seen as being an average American, equal in all ways, with all money that he believes belongs to the government being spread around and distributed fairly among all comers inside the USA, no matter where they came from or how they got here. Now, with history as a guide, how has such a philosophy worked out anyplace in the past?
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Jack Cashill is tough as nails. He's wonderful, but not tough enough. This whole Obama "Sink America" charade has nothing to do with race. Barry´s "cover" is being a mulatto raised in a white community, a light skinned black, not black, not even brown. Forget about race. Focus on the underlying element that all media, Hollywood, academe and Congress won't touch - Communism. He's no spirited American, does not see the unique genius of the American citizenry. He's blind to good. He is a low life Communist agitator and can only say whining, complaining, agitating things right out of the Communist book. Nothing else. A real black man, Allen West declared there are 80 Communists in the Congress. Putin steps in and shows us the weakness of our puppet president. Believe it, Putin could care less that he is privileged by his light skinned blackness. Denying media, academe and Hollywood were totally silent on both West's declaration and Putin's Syria solution. Communists want no attention to what they are actually perpetrating on America. They are all totally silent about the Communism of Barry Obama. The Rule of Silence, Communism stealth is what it's all about. See Cleon Skousen's THE NAKED COMMUNIST – 1955, 50 basic planks our demopublicans are using to create a communist IRS Obamacide America, and other commie filth. Race is out, stealth communism is in. Putin knows it, cares not for political correctness. To top it all off, seems Barry's forged his ID to become president. When the courts prove it, he'll be arrested and punished for committing treason, a felony as severe as murder.
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Barry is a metro NWO agent, a Saudi foil who pales in comparison to Putin, KGB with testicles.
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The devil always loses in the end.
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Fun and satisfying to read... if you already dislike O-Bomber.Otherwise..."At this point, what difference does it make???!!!"None whatsoever.Just sells magazines, preaching to the choir.If Little Johnny McLameBrain had had any cojones, and had run ads highlighting thevicious hatefulness of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and had used every means availableto show that O-Bomber hated America, we´d have defeated NO-Bomber back in 2008.Good luck getting anywhere with all of it now.Try maybe Benghazi or the IRS.This old rehash written here won´t get anything done. Just cheerleading.
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In addition to the liberals, media and white guilt, we also have to hold the entire Republican representatives who did not by proxy destroy BO´s record, incompetence and lack of any skills both during the McCain and then Romney campaigns. There was no way McCain nor Romney could attack BO directly, or otherwise the racism label would have destroyed them further as well as republicans in general, meaning republican votersHowever, one likely result from the imposter is that affirmative action will likely take a big hit and it will be a very, very long time before another black pres will be elected. On the other hand this holds door wide open for HRC, which will be almost as bad.
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Gets caught? Are you kidding? Who "caught" him? Conservatives who knew this Marxist was born, raised, taught by and associated with Marxists long before he was elected? That´s worked well, no? When are you people going to realize there is NOTHING this man won´t and can´t do with complete impunity from the majority of people in this nation? So what if he´s "caught"? He´s committed according to Krauthammer, 11, that´s ELEVEN impeachable offenses. We "caught" him doing all eleven and boy oh boy, that´s slowed him down hasn´t it? (To those in Rio Linda, the answer is NO). Look, I´ll say it again, Barack Obama could frog march ten Tea Party members onto the White House lawn, put them in black hoods, shoot each one in the head, turn to the live cameras, say, "Let me be clear, this demonstrates the need for greater gun control." The story would be the racist reaction of Mitch McConnel who would say he was "concerned." Regarding getting "caught," I quote Hillary Clinton, "What difference does it make"?
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Obama is propelled by image merchants. Only 5% of his actual views are made public. The rest, he keeps private or disguises them. This is how the image system works.
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I so much didn´t,t want to end up like those spittle spraying Bush haters we endured for eight years, but, I find myself loathing and begrudging every breath of the free, paid for with Patriots blood-American air that man consumes.What fills me with unforgiving rage is that I´m in the minority......
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Obama is a blowfly; he is a post turtle; he is a communist, marxist, whateverist, and he is still sitting in the Oval Office.
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#43, the way to get around the media...See my #33 above...You have to have a candidate who will drop the nuclear bomb on someone as bad, as clearlyanti-American, as Barack Obama is.You can say in paid advertising what the media ho´s should be saying without being told to.The controversy your paid ads generate may mean that you spend less because you getfree extra mileage out of fewer ads... that just depends on the circumstances.McLameBrain was gutless, a worthless liberoid running in the GOP.He even said O-Bomber was harmless.What a nutty and incompetent liar Mac is.
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#35, you are so correct. His next step will be to find a way to declare himself president for life, and there will be no one strong enough left to stop him. In fact, his cheerleaders in the media will find a way to justify it.
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What would you do?
You'll probably remember the 13-fold repetition in the game Bok-Van Wely at the Dutch Championship, two weeks ago. Afterwards Van Wely was fuming that his young opponent didn't use the opportunity to get more experience in a real fight. As GM Luke McShane pointed out, something similar happened in a clock simul between Kasparov and the USA in 1988.
What would you do, when you played the world champion in a simul, with the white pieces, and you have the possibility to repeat moves in a theoretical position? Would you go for it, being able to tell your friends that the man couldn't beat you? Or would you consider it bad ethics, like Kasparov, who argued that the White player should always play for a win?
In his June 10 column for the online version of the Daily / Sunday Express, GM Luke McShane picked up the Bok-Van Wely story, and demonstrated a clear parrallel with the 1988 clock simul between then World Champion Garry Kasparov and the USA, held in New York City. This event was beautifully depicted for TV and can now be found on YouTube in three separate videos (due to YouTube's 10-minute limit).
The second video shows Kasparov being clearly upset when IM Daniel Edelman goes for the draw in the well-known Sveshnikov sequence 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 b5 9.Nd5 Qa5+ 10.Bd2 Qd8 11.Bg5.
McShane argues that a simul and a tournament game are quite different situations.
My opinion is that forcing a well known draw (when there are more interesting options available) in an exhibition game like a simul really is spineless. Bok's decision certainly wasn't brave, but is harder to judge. Apparently he was aware that he could play on with h2-h4, but wasn't familiar with the position. I'm sure his opponent was, and that's a serious handicap against a stronger player.
I've occasionally gone into games eager to face my opponent's lines A, B or C, but accepted that if he chooses D then I'll be content with a draw. Maybe Bok was tired that day, or judged that his overall tournament would benefit from a draw. Any competitive player can sympathise with those feelings. As for gaining experience, Bok probably learned more about chess psychology from this game than he ever would have normally!
3 years 9 months ago
Imagine there is a new rule saying "White is not allowed to repeat position 3 times if possible". It looks like both Garry and Loek were trying to force their opponents to play according to such a rule and in both cases their opponents refused giving their stronger opponents advantage. If stronger player offers a draw by repeating position twice, he can't blame his opponent for accepting it by third repetition.
Pieter Priems
3 years 9 months ago
If van Wely want to win he has to chose a other line or opening against Bok. It's not right to blame Bok for the draw.
3 years 9 months ago
ik zou niet 13x herhalen hoor , na 3x papiertje tekenen , en Loek bekijkt het maar ! :)
3 years 9 months ago
Taking a draw in a simul is ridiculous, in an official tournament it's not.
3 years 9 months ago
I even remember an opponent I BEAT belittle me for an opening line I played with white in a (non-rated) game at the famous Open Jordaankampioenschap in Gambit in Amsterdam. It was a fairly strong player (about 2200) and he really made my day when I told him I appreciated the freedom of chosing one´s openings and that he would have to find another customer for his ´advice´. he fumed away and refused to analyze the game lol, which was a good tradition at that place. I will not embarass him by outing his name, but it was a weird, funny incident.
3 years 9 months ago
I second with GM McShane and the commenters so far. In a tournament one plays for points (BTW, Bok didn't do too bad in the end), while in a simul the only reason to play is fun and making a short draw there is just ridiculous.
Anything to piss of Kasparov. Apart from that, McShane is right..
I don't understand if Kasparov did not want the draw why didn't he deviate with the normal 13...Be7 instead of repeating Qa5+? But even if he did not like Be7 after any other legal move Kasparov should win against an IM. :)
3 years 9 months ago
Yes, that's what amazes me too about all this: Kasparov is the one who initiated the draw by playing ...Qa5 in the first place. Against the argument: "you are white" I would have responded: "you are Kasparov, is this how worldchampions play?". About the same I would have said against van Wely: "you are the GM, is this the best you can do?"
Assuming people should be happy to play against you is an absurd egocentric way of thinking. Also, playing for a draw and not admitting it (e.g. by saying the other should have avoided it) is just sad.
3 years 9 months ago
I agree with the comments above. There's a big difference between a simul game (which does not count for rating, norms, etc.) and a real, official game. In fact because of the draw Benjamin Bok managed to get his 3rd IM-norm and the IM-title. How is that weak or bad ethics? It's totally understandable and practical.
May I ask what is the use of being IM or GM if people are disgusted looking at your games? I think chess should be fun and not some kind of race for better stats...
Absolutely ridiculous from Kasparov side!!!
You do not want a draw? Go for Be7 variation then!
I find it amusing (in the sense of ridiculous) an opponent trying to say what the other player should do (or should have done). Ridiculous, when not simply frustration and unsporty spirit. A laugh in the face, is what those "gentlemen" deserve.
That said, a most different thing is what I would do in a particular situation, and that can depend on circunstances.
If I thought I could win, most certainly I'd continue to play.
If it implyed great probability of losing, and I didn't feel very imaginative that day, maybe I'd content myself whit a draw, against a stronger opponent.
And certainly it wouldn't be because of playing white that I'd feel "obliged" to play on!
That's a terrible excuse from the frustrated (theoreticaly stronger) part that didn't avoid a situation where HE cannot win.
Play (if you want) and let play.
Save stiupid comments for criticising yourself or your friends, and show respect or stay at home!
Now I saw the video!
Kasparov at his "best"! LOL
One thing would be if he had been hired to give some chess lessons to some promising american masters. Then he would be well, giving his advices, and provoking some mind stimulae.
Other most different thing is what he has done, which is simply public lack of respect for millions of people, and for chess. He used to those things, ok.
What a nerve, and what a ridiculous image of himself! LOL again!
And no, NOT a difference tournament/simul on this!
A master accepts to play a simul, so he is going to play various chess GAMES.
He must respect his opponents, or else... STAY AT HOME, YOU ABUSER!
3 years 9 months ago
Taking a quick draw in a Kasparov simul? Totally spineless! Give the seat to somebody who wants to play! What a waste.
One thing I know:
If I was playing (against a well known master or not) a game (tournament or simul) and he dared to take that stupid position, he would see the shame that would fall on him!
Seeing the video, I have one more reason to regret not to be one of the american players (other than not having enough chess skils :-) ):
That pseudo-gentleman master was going to see some lesson, I garantee you!
Frans Konings
3 years 9 months ago
Het is zeker niet zo dat Loek bewust vanuit de opening op een remise-variant heeft aangestuurd. Hij zag dat Benjamin met 10.e5 afweek van een partij die hij eerder tegen Carlsen had gespeeld. Pas toen drongen de consequenties van 10.e5 door en zag hij dat ie alleen remise kon ontwijken door enorme risico's te nemen. Verder speelde het feit dat hij met kabels vast zat vanwege het "emotie"-experiment een rol natuurlijk. Het was daarom misschien beter geweest (van Chessvibes o.a.) om Loek niet te letterlijk citeren op hetgeen hij direct na de partij heeft geroepen. De agitatie was groot natuurlijk. Hij speelt overigens vandaag ronde 1 van de World Open! (Phildelphia).
3 years 9 months ago
I respectfully disagree with Garry Kimovich. There was not an onus on anyone to take or avoid a draw. If Garry Kimovich was unsatisfied with the outcome, he should not have permitted it.
Weird reasoning by McShane. In an exhibition match or game, nobody cares about the chess. Kasparov knows this as no other surely. It's all about looking good and tough to the press and the spectators and making an impression (however 'unrealistic' to real chess players it might be!) on the general audience - in fact pleasing the audience (and the sponsors!) is the most important thing. Kasparov is a master at doing this, but why should he have the monopoly to do it? If an IM can do it by scoring a draw against the best player of all time, who's gonna care it was a book repetition?
But you still didn't say what is so weird about his reasoning..
In a simul, for the players, it is of course about the chess. You get the chanche to play a super GM, you use it.. Most players will agree on this. So Mc Shane's reasoning is perfectly logical.
To play opening variations leading to a forced draw against GMs is a common strategy in US open tournaments. What we are talking about?
Forced (book) draw or not...
Audience and sponsors or not...
Tournament or simul...
Best player of all time (Fischer ;-) ) or not...
Respect chess, and respect your opponent.
If you don't want a draw that your opponent (in ALL of his right and ethic) is allowing, YOU play different!
Indeed it's a pity those abusing masters never tried to tease/insult me in that way.
Damn abusing prima-donnas!
And I'm happy to provide Peter my ID, and accept an arrangement for a public game, in case one of them would like to try.
And more!
It is supposed to have an arbiter, even in simuls! Where was the arbiter? How could he allow those speaches and general abuse? Play if you want, play quiet and respectfully, and accept draw offers if you want.
Stupid comments and actitudes, save them to some wall, run against one! :-)
In the clock simul, the other American youngsters were disadvantaged by the short draw (since it would mean Kasparov had more time for the remaining games). But it might have been clever if they all had agreed to play at least 30 moves, so there would be more chance that Kasparov would get into time trouble.
@S: McShane specifically says it's spineless to force a well-known draw in an exhibition game, but this assumes (incorrectly, in my opinion) that such games are about "chess". I think they are more about image, making a show, perhaps having a sensational result (and a draw against the Boss certainly is). Otherwise, why not just play a normal game, eh?
I remember witnessing a Kasparov simul where a friend of mine was one of the participants. Kasparov blundered a piece right after the opening against him, so he had to resign. Should my friend have been more 'generous' towards Kasparov and not grab the piece so the spectators (or indeed Kasparov himself) could enjoy the game longer?
In fact, even though his victory was extremely uninteresting from a "chess" point of view, he was interviewed on a big commercial network station and won an at the time very cool, expenive cellphone for playing the best game of the evening (of course awarded by the audience and the organisers, who apparently were quite happy with this "silly" game.)
Rick Massimo
3 years 9 months ago
For what it's worth:
In Part One of this video, Edelman, the very person who is taking the repetition, says before the game that if Kasparov offered him an early draw he wouldn't take it.
In Part Three of this video, most of the players are analyzing their games with Kasparov. It's friendly, fast and it sure looks like a fun learning experience. Edelman, of course, isn't there, because what is there to analyze?
call_ me_ishmael
3 years 9 months ago
Kasparov tried to pull a fast one. He thought he could force his opponent to make a weak move on the twisted logic that he would have to play on against the world champion.
If Gary wanted to play on he should have been the one to deviate and not expect his opponent to play a weak move and then chastise him when he doesn't.
3 years 9 months ago
Excuse me, If I am not mistaken the way to avoid the draw for black, in Kasparov's case, was to play Be7 which is THE main line in the oppening !? Therefore unlike Loek, he had an acceptable option to keep on playing thus he was the one seeking draw.. Well if you play a world champ, you also excpect that he will go for the win.
I think the sequence of the game was rather 10)Bd2 Qd8 11)Bg5, and not 10)Nc3 like written above, witch gives black the advantage after 10)... Be6! threatening b4
For Ismael: Kasparov didn't ask white to play an "inferior move" (otherwise it means that black has a FORCED DRAW in the Nd5 Sveshnikov), but only to play one of the normal ways he commonly uses to avoid such repetition and fight for an advantage.
Oops, of course it was Bg5-g2-g5. Sorry, corrected.
Some people just accept beeing mislead.
The moves have nothing to do here!
The point is
1. Allowing any kind of draw that is on the board is a prerrogative anyone must have, and not being criticized (let alone in public and during the game itself!!). And of course no insults, before, during or after! Never.
2. Play your game, respect your opponent, and play quiet! Accept draw offers, if you want, and respect valid draw claims, if the opponent puts one.
3. Deal with frustration yourself. Even if you are good at chess, don't try to disguise things, belittling(?) and insulting others in the process. Or else, I hope I'll be the next of your victims!
Boris B.
3 years 9 months ago
Castro, just for curiosity and amusement, what would you do if you were in Edelman's shoes?
@Boris B.
I hope something like you'd do yourself!
I'd imediately protest he was breaking rules of chess and manners alike.
In case he would't stop and apologise or, at least, an arbiter impose it on him, I'd cease imediately the play, and not only he (and everyone) would hear from me, but maybe also a writen protest was in order.
He is imensely superior in playing chess, but must behave and everything will run smoothly and gentle, or else he may be put in his place: That of an abuser.
Capisce? :-)
Peter, you might as well post this link (like you did in the WCC a couple a months ago) then you don't have to bother creating a new one ;-)
In the late 80s, Karpov is in Melbourne, Australia, where he gave a simul against some club players and some celebraties.
IM Robert Jamieson was one of the celebs, his days at top-level chess ended but still rated at about 2400. He was quite happy to take a draw, it was news and gave K more time for the other games.
Ron Barrassi was another. Unknown in Chess, but a famous (Australian) football coach and journalist. His draw was news.
Another participant was (I think I have the name right) Stephen Bartholomeesz, a finance journalist. I guess he got a draw too.
The principal purpose of having a famous player in for a simul is publicity. Players will value the memory, of course, but an event such as this (especially when the master doesn't win all his games) might get reported where chess is not ordinarily reported.
As for the Bok game! I was watching it on FICS, and could hardly believe my eyes! A pair of dills, was my verdict. Surely, the know the rules regarding claiming draws?!
If the opponent was visibly upset, I guess that might be some reason to repeat again, but either player could claim a draw by right.
Drongoes, I say!
chess fan
3 years 9 months ago
Filmpje en partij van Bok valt niet te vergelijken, Bok wilde een norm scoren en daar hoort een halfje tegen van Wely gewoon bij.
Wel een fantastisch filmpje :-)
@ssehc elpmis Aha, your point is that this article was recycled from a Chessbase article. This makes absolutely no sense to me.
- If Chessbase posts a YouTube video, we shouldn't do it anymore or something? We can't bring anything that they already did? You can answer this for yourself, but I'd like to add: Have you ever thought of the idea that there might be people who don't read Chessbase?
- The Chessbase article was about Kasparov's clock simuls. This article is about the relation between the Bok-Van Wely game and the Edelman-Kasparov game, adding GM Luke McShane's point of view. There's a clear relevancy.
"Have you ever thought of the idea that there might be people who don't read Chessbase?"
yes that's me
It seems many people are missing the point here. It's not about me, it's about Bok. Bok is a talented junior and shouldn't be happy to make a draw like that.He has beaten strong players, so why shouldn't he be able to beat me, I also do make mistakes. If his goal is to become IM, I wish him good luck, but he should strive for higher goals. And when you strive for higher goals, you should take any opertunity to get experience and learn, simple is that. If I would consider that my opponent wouldn't have any future in chess, I still would disagree but I could have understood it better, but since I respect his chess, for me it was inacceptable
Ofcourse I wanted to win, but the question is, at which price.Choosing the right opening for that is a delicate matter. Those who claim I should have played a different opening, I challenge them to come up with an alternative, otherwise better shut up
jan van der marel
3 years 9 months ago
It shouldn't be a problem for a professional chessplayer to find an opening to beat a weaker opponent, or outplay the opponent with a 'normal' opening. That's the whole point about being a pro, in my opinion.
I remember that when I was young and had to play against a strong opponent, I thought: wow, wouldn't it be great to make a draw against him! Blaming Bok for doing the same, is totally ridiculous. If you want to be an IM, whats wrong with drawing against 'strong' GMs and winning against other IMs?
Strange reaction from Mr. Van Wely, but I guess its someone reacting under his name.
@Loek van Wely
Master van Wely.
Sure, you had good intentions regarding your opponent. But...
(sorry for numbering)
1. Wouldn't the best "lesson" be simply taking imediately the draw? You're a very experient and excelent GM, you'd easily "survived", while he would keep an empty and frustrating taste himself, right? Specialy because he would notice you had given his "achivement" no importance at all, a value zero...
2. I find it natural you didn't want to variate from that sequence of moves, even if just that day. But Bok's behaviour had also nothing for one to be disrespectful on him!
3. Those advices you are giving, they are precious, and maybe indeed master Bok should take them. Until then (and allways) everybody should simply play and let play, in all correction and respect.
4. As for insulting, I hope you were friends, so everything could have been taken jokingly (and so, not insulting, after all!)
5. I seeze the oportunity to warmly salute you. Please believe my apreciation, I'm a great fan of your chess for decades!
There is another thing people usualy forget:
It could happen that day Bok was also in a particular mood himself.
Maybe he was mentaly prepared for drawing against van Wely at the first oportunity, he could even be not feeling so well, or so "chessy" that day.
Why denigrating the "promising youngster" based on what he did? Even if it was plain fear of losing, he must be respected, but (as eveybody else, including van Wely), he may have "higher" reasons!
@ Castro
1) Why should I take the draw when I don't want the draw? If he wants the draw so badly, he can claim it, but I am not going to facilitate him
2) I already had chosen a different line from what I normally play ( the Najdorf), just to surprise him, but my opponent seemed to be quite well prepared for that. He was even aware of the move h4 (instead of Bd3) which is, in fact quite dangerous for black
3) Bok gets a wildcard from the federation, and I guess there is an idea behind that (which is definetly not taking draws like that). It comes with some obligations and doing so, might end up abolishing the wildcard idea for juniors
4)After the game, I spoke out my mind to one guy from the tournamnent, but he didn't use it and he wasnt supposed to use it. How it came to chessvibes and into the rest of the world? Apaerently Peter Doggers spoke to the guy, didn't even bother to check it with me, didn't even bother if he should publish it, or not, he was just looking for a score. Me and Bok we are ok, after the tournament we played some blitz so he had some chances to catch up regarding experience and learning :)
@L. van Wely
(now sorry the caps... :-) )
Of course, then, it all seems normal, and ok, EXCEPT for that observation about de federation, and wildcards, etc.
You must admit there must be people not seeing it your way, namely Bok himself, and I, because as I told you, one must admit Bok COULD HAVE HAD good and respetable reasons to contemp himself with a draw, in some given circustances, that day, and so those observations can be taken as baseless belittling of an opponent.
Glad if he didn't take them like that, but if you realy have that opinion (that he wasn't meritory of a wildcard, because of your game), how about putting the problem to the federation, rather than in public. Because, I repeat, it's more than understandable people thinking the opposite, and it's a hard (at least polemic) point of view for you to support (and it involves some other player's merits, of course).
@ Castro
I think it'sabout time you stop trying to find excuses for Bok taking the draw.
When people start whining and find excuses for not playing, you show no character and won't be able to achieve anything in life
@L. van Wely
I did nothing of the sort.
I said he didn't need any excuse. the posibility of having "better" reasons than mere "fear" or mere "not wanting to play" would only increase your unjustice towards him.
So, surely that isn't what you wanted to tell me, if anything.
As for the rest you wrote, I'll just tell you something I refer before:
I'm waiting for someone having the nerve of being incorrect with me during or after a game where I proposed or took a draw!
That would be a show!
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noone wrote:This observation is unlikely to help you gain admission to the Track and Field experts hall of fame.
gh wrote:Beamon is monstrously altitude-aided (for certain), and massively wind-aided (by all competent observers who were there)
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8. I said so
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The salary for someone with the job title Purchasing Supervisor I in Rancho Cucamonga, CA varies depending on a number of factors. Our team of Certified Compensation Professionals has analyzed survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes and industries on Purchasing Supervisor I salaries to construct a range which describes the distribution of salaries for people with the job title Purchasing Supervisor I in Rancho Cucamonga, CA.
Materials Management, Purchasing
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This chart describes the expected percentage of people who perform the job of Purchasing Supervisor I in Rancho Cucamonga, CA that make less than that salary. For example 50% of the people who perform the job of Purchasing Supervisor I in Rancho Cucamonga are expected to make less than the median.
Source: HR Reported data as of April 2014
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Supervises the daily activities of the purchasing function. Reviews purchasing decisions, orders, and vendor contracts. Oversees the ordering of materials and supplies from vendors. A level I supervisor is considered a working supervisor with little authority for personnel actions. May require a bachelor's degree in area of specialty. Familiar with a variety of the field's concepts, practices, and procedures. Relies on extensive experience and judgment to plan and accomplish goals. Performs a variety of tasks. A wide degree of creativity and latitude is expected. Typically reports to a manager or head of a unit/department.
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