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Base $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Production To Start In 8 Months
It seems that Tesla Model 3 production hell is finally coming to an end.
Last July, Elon Musk predicted that Tesla Model 3 production hell is coming to an end. And judging by the latest news, that might be true. Last Friday, Musk shared a letter to the employees, detailing the company standings in the final month of Q3 2018.
Many – even Elon Musk himself – dubbed the Model 3 as the make or break vehicle for the company. Truth be told, they were right. The success for Tesla depends on the future prospect of their entry-level electric sedan more than anything else. Entering the highly coveted top five best-selling cars charts in the United States last August will certainly help with that. However, Tesla only produces the three more expensive variants of the vehicle right now. And that's seemingly a problem.
For most owners that shelled out the reservation fee over two years ago, the base Model 3 was the vehicle that got them interested. However, the base $35,000 (before any options) car is still not being produced. However, that's about to change. And that could mean big things for not just the automotive industry, but also, for the environment itself. Last June, Elon Musk, the Tesla CEO, provided a rough estimate of the $35,000 Standard trim Model 3 production start.
"We will definitely offer a $35,000 version of the Model 3. And probably at the end of this year is when we will be able to make a smaller version of the battery pack, and get into volume production of $35,000 version in Q1 next year. We would definitely honor that obligation, and we would do so right now if it were possible," Musk said.
However, the recent timeline revision revealed by Martin Viecha, a Senior Director for Investor Relations at Tesla, pushes the production start deadline to either April or May next year. And according to sources, Tesla is gearing up for the$35,000 base Model 3's rollout, as well as succeeding models like the standard-range AWD version.
The entry-level Model 3 – priced at just $35,000 – could mess things up for some rather popular and high-selling cars in the United States and then, the world. For example, the likes of a Toyota Camry, whose top of the line XSE V6 model trim comes at $34,950 could be under attack. The BMW 3 Series, for example, starts at a similar $34,900. The Mercedes-Benz C-Class is just a tad more expensive – starting at $40,250. The new Audi A4 is priced at $36,000. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
With the performance and tech that the Model 3 comes with, the entry-level version becomes one of the most interesting options for any buyer looking to purchase a new vehicle. If Musk's company can start the production within the mentioned timeframe and deliver these in volume, the rest of the automotive industry will need to hurry up. Or they will simply get left behind. It really is a game of innovate or go to the history books for most of the legacy carmakers in the next few years.
Source: Teslarati
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166 Comments on "Base $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Production To Start In 8 Months"
Welcome model 3 standard, is the real térmic killer
Timed right aroud the $3750 phase out,
That's OK , I'll Take It !
If that's the case then take the $49k one….better value.
Yes $49k-7.5k would be better value.
But not everybody has enough taxable income to qualify for full $7500 credit* and qualify for autoloan. And Tesla can't do leases either.
*In such case it would be more reasonable to buy a cheap mass market (maybe used) car in the first place, but if people want to waste all their money on a car or have other reasons, it is their choice.
Tesla CAN do leases. They simply haven't chosen to pull that lever yet. All the current sales are based on NO leases, and NO test drives of the LR RWD, and only from people who are willing to put down a deposit without a firm delivery date.
Yes, if you don't have enough income to qualify for most or all of the $7500 tax incentive, you likely should not be purchasing a $50K brand new car, whether it is an EV or an ICE.
NiX that's why the want a $35k car. They always can afford that then a $50k car
The S and the X can be leased. 3 will have a lease once the massive waiting line is trimmed down.
People waste money in all sorts of ways. It's not exclusive to EV's. $70k turbo diesel pickups that never see dirt are all over the roads in America.
"But not everybody has enough taxable income to qualify for full $7500 credit* and qualify for autoloan"
So what are they doing buying new cars then? We are not talking about that class here. These are not corollas.
I agree. Anyone that can afford a $35k new car is probably making at least $55k a year, which is about where you start paying in excess of $7500 in taxes in most cases, kids, mortgage deduction or not.
If you can afford a new car that is costing you this much, you are paying a good amount of taxes and the credit will be a huge help in offsetting the cost of the car.
5 top non-tesla trade-ins are:
Toyota Prius
BMW 3-Series
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Nissan Leaf
Do you see pattern here? Obviously some people are stretching their finances even if they should not.
Others may have plenty of savings to spend but not enough taxable income, e.g. retired people.
I take you are not from US zzzzzz….because if you were you would know how easy it is for a family of 2+ to reach that $7500. In high income states it's evan easier.
I drive a Prius. I'm streching for that M3. Should have it by mid Dec, so I should get the $7500.
how about retired folks?
Or $44K version without PUP and full $7,500 fed incentive. We still don't know when the non-PUP version is coming, but that seems to be the best value vs. a non-PUP $35K version and half incentive.
That would mean for a difference of $5,250 (+taxes) you get the longer range, faster acceleration, faster charging, better resale value, longer warranty, and longer potential battery life (fewer charge cycles) of the bigger battery. Probably the best spent $5K you could put into any Tesla Model 3 option.
I don't believe they sell any Model 3s without the premium package yet. (Please correct me if I am wrong.)
You are correct. The cheapest Model 3 you can buy right now is 49k. Black color, rear wheel drive, long range battery and the premium interior.
Correct, we are still waiting on that release date for the non-PUP version.
The non-PUP's challenge will make the 5 seat Model X seem like a piece of cake. Maybe not, but I don't see Tesla sweating details, like retro-fitting a manually adjustable steering wheel (their first), etc.
I suspect that the PUP is too profitable to have it not be a mandatory "option" for quite a while yet..
A standard range with PUP will probably be released before a long range without. A 3 without PUP saves Tesla very little, changes manufacturing significantly, makes the car far more basic (it'll get criticized and compared to cheaper cars), and yet loses almost $5k of pure profit.
The standard range at least saves Tesla some batteries (25-30kWh) and possibly some warranty costs.
I also suspect most buyers will see far more value in SR PUP than LR w/o PUP, because 220 miles is more than enough for most.
How much range, approximately, will the Standard Range 3 have? I think I read 220 miles, which is pretty respectable. If the TM3 was a hatch or had a bit more utility, the Bolt sales would tank even further because utility is about all the Bolt has going for it and as it is now, the 3 does not have that much utility for hauling kids, stuff or dogs. It is roomy but a sedan is a sedan and that trunk is not exactly doing it any favors.
I remember the old Malibu Maxx. The Malibu was a thoroughly meh sort of car, but the Maxx had a hatch that made it a lot more useful to a large subsection of the car buying public.
I have 2 kids and have no problems hauling strollers, soccer gear and things that go along with having kids. I don't feel like I'm constrained in space and utility as opposed to the eGolf that I had or even the Audi wagon I had as well. I suppose if I were hauling a tuba or the like it would make a difference but the idea that a sedan doesn't work with having kids is nonsense that is being spewed to us. Just like the marketing that says you need a big SUV just because you are taking delivery of your first born. Marketing in America is not helping you figure out what you need 99.9% of the time, they market. They always market using the what-if scenario.
I am single and after I traded in my CUV for a Volt, I really regretted the Volt's relative lack of space for hauling stuff. And the Volt has way more utility than a TM3, due to the hatch. YMMV.
The Model 3 has 15 cu.ft of trunk space vs the Volt's 10 cu.ft. Being a hatch doesn't make up for losing 1/3 of the space.
Hatchbacks are better for bulky items, also there are two ways to measure cargo capacity of a hatch, 10 ft2 appears to be the smaller method (to window line). If you load to ceiling it will be more than that.
I have both a M3 and a Volt. The Volt is great when no one is in the car and you can fold all the seats down. It can hold a lot of stuff. I've even loaded some 10′ light guage steel studs by placing one end up on the dash into the corner of the windshield. The problem is when the back seats have to be up and then you have not a lot of space for luggage.
The Model 3 is much better suited for packing luggage and stuff for a trip with passengers than the Volt. We took a trip with 4 people and their luggage and did just fine. The M3 has a nice sized deep well under the trunk floor that can hold a small suitcase. Then you have the frunk. If you have all your luggage packed in smaller suitcases and carry ons then you can tetris everything in quite well.
But I choose the Volt when I want to haul stuff from Home Depot or whatever. I even loaded a good sized wheel barrow into the Volt once. Just turned it upside down and it fit right in up to the front seats.
The non PUP LR version will likely come out when the $35k base version comes out. The base version interior will be implemented into the line once it has been created and figured out for the base version Model 3.
Internal combustion. Térmico is in Spanish.
That's a new one for me, too.
What is termic????
It looks like Tesla is offering free supercharging for a year for reservation holders who agree to take an RWD model in September, so we may be seeing a slackening in demand for the base models. I'm going to wager that the premium models have both more of a backlog and less supply, possibly due to SiC shortages, but even the premium backlog will not last forever. Producing the $35K version is going to require a serious capital raise in 2019.
Now that the Tesla bashers' recent mantra "Tesla will fail at Model 3 production, and collapse" has been disproven — just like every one of their mantras always is — they've moved the goal posts to "demand for the Model 3 is slackening".
Yeah, we can see how much it's "slackening" with the rapid growth of production and deliveries every month. 🙄
Go Tesla! Keep Going Tesla!
Exactly, and my hunch is this delay is due to demand in more expensive model.
I said it before…it's simple math really. For CA you can buy the $49k version LR + PUP now and your net is $39K or wait and get the SR + PUP for $37.5k.
$1500 for 90 miles of extra range is a very good deal.
That all depends on your tax liability.
Yes, you need to work a real job.
I believe that it depends on a lot of factors, but if you have $55k worth of income, your chances of incurring $7500 worth of federal taxes is pretty high. Deductions or not, it is hard to avoid paying the feds that much at any income level over $50k.
"even the premium backlog will not last forever." I don't think the demand ever goes to zero for the premium models. The Model S and Model X demand has sustained. True that the volume we are seeing probably won't last forever but really hard to tell. It looks like they will carry the premium models full onslaught through the end of this year and that does not include the market for Europe, Asia, and the rest of the world market. Also, don't count on too many base $35,000 Model 3s to be sold for a long time. They will certainly go through the same drill they did with the LR until all orders are filled. If they maintain quarterly 60,000 Model 3s with an average sells price of $50,000+ at a 20% margin the profitability will be there. And even if that demand falls off, the Model Y will be here in a couple of years so the whole process repeats. Bottom line, if they can show profitability in a few quarters and maintain the cash needed for Q1 debt call, they will be well on their way. Time will tell, but this bull says don't bet against them.
So you saying they will cancel the SR like the did to Model S 40
no way, big difference in the MS40KWh and M3 210 mile car
Why do we keep seeing this false analogy? It's nothing but FÜD.
Cancelling the SR TM3 wouldn't be like cancelling the S40, which — if you recall — was the smallest of three battery pack sizes. Cancelling the SR version would be like cancelling the Model S60 back when there was only the S60 and the S85.
The S40 was cancelled because only about 2% of the pre-orders were for that configuration, and so it wasn't profitable to put that version into production.
Unless you actually believe that almost nobody wants a SR TM3, then the analogy is a false one.
Based on global sales of Model S/X, the sustainable sale level for Model 3 should be about 250k per year. This is assuming a cheaper version starting around $40k becomes available.
No, can easily support 500,000. Look at BMW 3 series for comparison.
BMW 3 series starts at 34k in the US but more like 24k in Europe where they do most of their volume.
What exchange rate are you using?
BMW.de puts the starting price of the cheapest 3er (318i Limousine) at 33.400 Euro. That is nearly $40K USD.
I'm in Europe and the 3-series starts from $35k for me. And everyone that has ever bought an BMW knows that the base price is basically for an empty shell, no one buys it without adding a number of options that comes standard in most other models.
So if anything the Model 3 should be able to sustain way more sales than the 3-series.
3 Series is made in the US and cost less than in Europe.
Agreed. 500k a year seems to be a fairly consistent number for a premium mid sized sedan.
250K would be just the initial China demand alone, and going up from there.
""We're confident we can do the Gigafactory in China for a lot less. I think it's probably closer—this is just a guess—to $2 billion. That would sort of be the 250,000-vehicle per year rate. "
"it would take another two to three years to ramp up the production to 500,000 vehicles per year. A number that would fully satisfy the local Chinese market demand."
If that was the case, they should have been able to sell more Model S/X in China. With a Chinese factory maybe, but not with the current structure.
Tesla is aiming at a sustained 400,000 per year, so hopefully you're underestimating demand.
That means they sell 4 times as many Model 3s as Models S/X combined. It is possible, but it will be an anomaly in comparison to other premium brands. For example, Audi A4/A5 sell about 2.5 times A6/A7/A8. For Merc, combined E and S class sales are close to C class by itself. For BMW, 3-4 series sell twice as much as 5-6-7 series combined.
Tesla has to push people to get the RWD instead of the AWD, with things like raising the price for dual motor AWD to $6K. That is not indicative of slackening demand.
Plus Tesla has an entire world outside of North America to satiate. Functionally, demand for premium Model 3s are infinite. So serious capital raise is NOT required for 2019. None. If available on good terms Tesla may very well issue debt securities but not equity securities because Tesla always has good options to deploy capital. Like a European Gigafactory or a 2nd American GF.
I would say the fact that they are raising the price of the AWD is proof the demand is not slacking.
Once again a serial Tesla basher is frantically tring to explain away the phenomenal success and demand for the Model 3.
Keep on trying to move those goal posts as you pretend to drive your pretend Tesla!
Don't you mean, "hoping" to see slackening demand? Torture numbers long enough, you can get them to say whatever you want. That's why Tesla's bar of failure keeps getting moved by folks like yourself.
In the meantime, Tesla keeps making vehicles..
Two big problems are the $5K PUP and them not leasing them…
"Martin Viecha, a Senior Director for Investor Relations at Tesla, pushes the production start deadline to either April or May next year."
Uhhhh, aren't there rules that say they can't selectively disclose information like this? Why is this person saying this to individual people instead of posting it on a blog or press release or something?
This is big news… could mean a lot of people missing out on the $3300 federal tax credit if it doesn't start until May.
He didn't disclose anything. Tesla's web site says 4-7 months. Last month, when Worm Capital toured the GF, it said 5-8 months. So they're just repeating the party line.
Oh, he also did NOT say $35k. That number has been banished from Tesla's vocabulary (they don't mind if you keep repeating it, of course). The correct term for Tesla personnel is now Standard Range or Affordable version.
Will $35k fall victim to "low demand", like the S40?
Unlikely, they really need that model to meet their goals for Model 3.
You are correct, there has been no official change on dates.
"Will $35k fall victim to "low demand", like the S40?"
S40 reservations were in the hundreds.
Model 3 SR reservations are likely in the hundreds of thousands based on extrapolating just 30% of the initial 450 thousand reservations (see my other post for documented source – ibd)
Are you still seriously confused between "hundreds" and "hundreds of thousands" and think any company would treat them the same?
More likely is that like the S60, after filling initial SR demand, and after having it on the market for a while, Tesla will upgrade the SR battery as battery prices come down. And they will upgrade the LR battery too. By that time, inflation will mean $35K in 2016 dollars won't be worth $35K anymore. The clear precedent is the S60 and S85, and what we know about decades of inflation of prices, not the S40.
Elon in June said $35 k. Went to store last Thursday and the salesman said $35k SR model 3
A guy getting paid $15-$20 an hour at a store is not someone that I would count in giving accurate and reliable information. They're nice people but I'm general I doubt that they're really good beyond general information.
"…the recent timeline revision revealed by Martin Viecha, a Senior Director for Investor Relations at Tesla, pushes the production start deadline to either April or May next year."
Well, it's disappointing to see base Model 3 production pushed back to Q2 of 2019. I was hoping to see the base Model 3 enter production in Q1 next year. 🙁
It's not pushed back yet. 4-7 months. Depends on production bottlenecks and sustained LR demand.
Interesting how people view this. Rather inconsistent 😉
Yeah, very weird. I thought we were all the same…
Actually, how enormous is the demand for the Tesla Model 3?
And what would be required to take marketshare away from the Tesla Model 3?
An EV model that is even better than the Tesla Model 3.
How long will it take for the competition to design such an EV model?
The first 2 main questions:
"Are they willing to give all they have got?"
"Are they willing to put all their weight behind it?"
As far as I can see, there is absolutely no serious EV competition for the Model 3 on the horizon at least for 2+ years. There are some good EVs coming…the I-Pace, the Taycan, etc…but they will pretty much all be much more expensive.
I would guess that Tesla Model 3 has first mover advantage "at least for 2+ years". Maybe EVen longer, depending on how other ICE OEMs like VW and Hyundai, keep up their respective production numbers with 2019 through 2020 Bolt/Leaf, here in N.A.
VW can if they want built a economical but great EV. It's all in them. GM still haven't progress since Spark EV tech and Ford don't make EVs any more
They're not really competitors as they're different segments. The first proper competitor will probably be the BEV 3 Series expected in 2020.
That said, depending on what you consider market share and which markets you're talking about, it's unlikely to take away from the Model 3 as the EV market will expand.
Will it take away market share from the premium mid size BEV Sedan market in the US? Yes, because there's currently only one vehicle in that segment and BMW selling only one BEV 3 series would do that. :p
Will it take away market share from the premium mid size Sedan market in general? Probably not, but it reduce Model 3 market share growth. It probably would likely reduce Teslas market share in the US however, although we still don't know what the sustained market share of the Tesla is due to the ramp up and pre orders.
There hasn't been an official announcement or press release saying this will be 8 months and this specifically refers to $35K version so I take this report with grain of salt. My reservation still says Standard Battery will be 4-7 months. I think with the Gigafactory upgrades and $100 Kwh battery cell goal is critical and a $40K version will be available by end of this CY. $35K version may very well be 8 months.
You are correct, there has been no change. It's just a game of telephone.
Thanks for the clarification! 🙂
With this timeline the base Model 3 will be effectively the same price as the current long range model, due to federal tax credit expiration.
Where did you find a 14k tax credit?
$5k is the premium package (maybe forced again initially). The battery premium is $9k, close enough to $7.5k.
Just curious, assume regular vs long range are both available and have same delivery time today. What percentage of people will buy standard vs long range.
My guess will be 65/35.
"For most owners that shelled out the reservation fee over two years ago, the base Model 3 was the vehicle that got them interested."
Actually, we didn't even know what the battery sizes would be when Tesla first opened up reservations. Most people putting down a reservation expected multiple battery choices. I'm not sure where the meme started that everybody wanted a stripped base model, base battery, but that doesn't jive with the actual historical record.
A survey of over 6,000 reservation holders who answered with what they wanted through 2016 and into Jan 2017 showed that most actually wanted either a medium or long range battery, with only 30% wanting the base battery, and 57% wanting the longest range battery:
By Jan. 2018 (1 year later and only SR and LR, with no medium size battery), the split was still 3:2 with over 60% wanting the LR, and less than 40% wanting the SR.
Digging deeper into the numbers, less than 10% wanted the stripped SR back then. Unless somebody has a survey with a larger sample size from the same timeframe, maybe we should put that historically incorrect meme to bed?
It doesn't matter. There is a quite large group of 1st and 2nd day M3 depositors (like me) who are very disgruntled about Tesla's deception related to the base model promised at $35k and the full $7500 tax incentive. I cancelled my order and received my deposit back (without interest, of course) that Tesla used to enable manufacturing of their premium models for rich buyers who were also allotted the full tax incentive. Tesla lost a significant number of enthusiastic customers and many will never come back to take a second look.
*eyeroll* Look, we all want something great sold to us for dirt cheap. But look at Tesla's books…they are still losing money. You are mad that they didn't quickly sell you a awesome car that would have lost them money. So I understand you being upset…you didn't get your car…but you did get your money back. Always remember, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."
I'd like to say go buy a nice sleek long-range 100+KW-fast-charging EV from someone else…but there are none. And there wont' be any from anyone else for several years.
BTW, Tesla actually was very careful not to mention the $7500 deposit with respect to the $35K base model.
"If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."
Now it is written 🙂 I remember very well that back in summer 2017 I was writing here in the comments that I thought as unlikely that the $35k version would be available yet in 2018. I got bitten in the back side quite a few time by the usual guardians of the holy Tesla narrative for this mild skepticism.
The little boy who has cried "Wolf!" hundreds of times, is bitterly disappointed when no one believed him the one time it was true.
You've made your bed; now lie in it. You seem to have a lot of practice with that.
No but they advertise the price made people put money down believing they might get a great car that's Electric for $35k
Elon clearly stated the car was $35k, and was careful to not mention of tax credit and clearly said more expensive models would ship first. Many referral bloggers pushed the $7500 off the $35,000, when it was never on the table. Who knows, maybe the tax credit changes too.
You are not representative statistically of reservation holders. I'm sorry it didn't work out for you. There are other choices for EV's with a similar range as the Model 3 SR. The Bolt and 2019 Leaf are also excellent choices that should be in the same price and same window of availability.
Hopefully you can purchase one of those cars and take the full incentive either through a purchase or through having the full amount of the incentive reflected in a lease. That way you can Join the "rich buyers" instead of complaining about them.
Teslarati forum polls may or may not reflect actual reservation holders. Respondes are not vetted.They could just be kids dreaming.
NiX that was a elitist comment. Would Tesla would have gotten those 400k reservations if they said hey we are making a $50k sedan. I don't think so
It's bizarre how people seem to think Tesla had this all planned out in advance. They're confusing Elon Musk with Doctor Evil!
If things went according to Tesla's plan, then production would have ramped up to about the current level by the end of last year, and the base $35k Model 3 would already be in production.
It's nothing but FÜD to claim that Tesla intentionally deceived anyone. Tesla had a major failure with automating production of the TM3 battery pack, and that has caused a major delay in ramping up TM3 production, as well as making the car cost more to make. Tesla will put the base model into production when they can actually make a profit at it — and not before, no matter how many would-be Tesla owners that is going to disappoint.
I would agree with that. This is not some evil plot.
Also I think reservation holders have to consider a lot of potential hurdles had to be cleared cleanly for everything to pan out in their (the reservation holders) favor, and the odds of Tesla pulling everything off as planned were not fantastic. I had to remind myself of this at times. There were points I was pretty annoyed with Teslas progress. I remember though when I put down 1000 i knew it might not be the smartest use if that money, and there was a decent chance it might not pan out. A big part of the reason I was ok with that is..
1) I am helping a company I want to see pull this off.
2) It lets Tesla know there is demand for the 35k model. That was the only specific price at the time I reserved. Also, not cancelling my rervation lets them know there is still demand for that car $35k car.
Really going to live it up with the Compound Interest from $1000 at best rates of 1.85% over the past two years of 38 buck or worst from a bank at 0.03% $1.
or 1 year CD yield .27%.
Yeah in retrospect I wish I would have put that 1000 in bitcoin at that point in history, but oh well.
I knew there was a risk and was probably overly optimistic. Yeah not happy how it panned out but the bottom line is not in the position to sell me a $35k car. Oh well it is great to see the demand of the higher priced models be so strong. In time this will bring good things to the auto industry.
Agree with you CEJT
"…disgruntled about Tesla's deception related to the base model promised at $35k and the full $7500 tax incentive."
Except Tesla never, ever promised any tax credit, $7500 or otherwise. They never subtracted that from the price in any of their press releases or public statements.
You have confused what journalists reported with the actual facts.
FÜDsters are getting a lot of mileage out of pretending that Tesla broke its promise; they've managed to convince a lot of people that's actually true!
I could care less about whatever side you are arguing about one way or the other. You just need to understand those polls from Teslarati are weak evidence. I reserved myself but do not recall spending time on Teslarati. It is a huge assumption to figure responders are represenrative of the full reservation holders group. They could be kids that cannot afford any model but like to dream they can. No way to vet responders claims. I would not wager any money saying that we can trust some poll on a forum named "Teslarati".
If you can present a more scientific poll, or one with a larger sample size, then I'm sure we'd all be happy to use that. In the meantime, it seems rather foolish to suggest we should ignore the evidence we have, even if it's imperfect.
As I recall, early buyers of the Model S preferred the larger (85 kWh) pack size over the smaller one (60 kWh) at a rate of about 7-to-1. So it would hardly be a surprise if the preference for the larger pack size on the Model 3 was in the >60/<40 range. If there is any surprise there, it's that the preference for the larger pack size isn't even greater.
I do not have time to find you a bettet poll, as I said I could care less about whatever side he is arguing about. The method to produce that data provided is flawed for the purpose Nix tried to use it for, and your logic that you should use that data for that purpose until someone provides you something better to use is equally flawed.
and I have a bridge to sell
Yeah, you and the other anti-Tesla have a bridge alright.
A bridge to NOWHERE!
If the Tesla Model 3 base version starts production in 8 months, I imagine it will be a very small percentage of its production, because they still need the higher margin cars to balance profitability. So the wait will be something like 1-2 yrs for reservation holders to get their car.
One thing they can do is start building the short range version but still require the premium option package so that it has a base of $40K.
Something like this or make the base version as unattractive as can possibly be on purpose (creepy interior/colour). A Chinese GF that could produce a $35k version with still some margin left on it will not materialize by May next year yet so if any $35k version is sold by that time next year it has to be in very limited number.
I seriously doubt anyone would be able to have $3750 with the base Model 3. Maybe $1875 at best…
Basically paying for the color option.
Me thinks Tesla is using the tax credit as carrot on a stick to sell more AWD and P to maximize their profit. If so the $35K version will be released after June 30, 2019.
Color option should be free by then for waiting
I know this is a very unpopular view….but I'm skeptical that they'll be able to do it. That is just so cheap for an EV with 200+ mile range, built in California, using a fair amount of aluminum, etc.
If they can PROFITABLY pull it off, that will be amazing. But I'll be happy if they can get down close to $40K. (Now thumbs down me! ;-))
Thumbs down is often a sign of having a good situation analysis on EV forums.
They could get a better margins if they put a steel roof. Cheap interior, manual seats, alloy wheels. They can control those margins that way
And don't forget, if they use manual seats, the car won't waste electricity operating them and taking that juice away from propelling the car.
This joke brought to you by the TWO different Chevy dealers who told me that about the Bolt's manual seats when I never asked about them. Seriously, these people need to be whipped with an EVSE cord set…
That's pure comedy gold! The shiite that car salesmen come up with is brilliant.
The power used might not be an issue, but it is added weight for the motors. Also, when you are losing money on every car you make, you cut corners.
Good article.
Another delay. I'm going with an i3 then
i3 starts at $45K, and ends up typically optioned to over $50K. It was never price competitive with the base Model 3 SR, it is priced more like the LR. But enjoy your i3.
i3 is overpriced for sure, but there is sometimes $10k off from BMW by way of certain electric utilities. Given its remarkably low mass it seems like it should have better MPGe. To get serious it needs 50-60 kwh not a range extender.
I suspect that you can find some pretty good deals on the i3 these days. With the Model 3 and Bolt EV available, they just are not going to be able to get MSRP for that anymore.
Have no idea if this is still the case but the i3 has had good lease support allowing it to lease for dirt cheap.
There are tons of manufacturer incentives on i3s. You know, because you can get discounts on non-Teslas. A $45k i3 is likely closer to 35-37k all said and done before state/federal incentives.
You can also get tons of discounts on used Teslas. As I type this, there's 47 mid/upper $30k Teslas on Cargurus, in the same ballpark as an the i3 you speak of.
"…you can get discounts on non-Teslas"
Or to put it another way: Non-Tesla cars are intentionally overpriced with the expectation that the dealers will offer discounts to get people to buy their cars.
(If you doubt that legacy auto manufacturers deliberately overprice their cars, then read up on "dealer holdback":)
It's the good deal illusion syndrome where you get a disconut down to the price the manufacturer actually wants to sell the car for and you feel good about yourself but in reality you got played.
The Nissan Leaf 2019 will arrive earlier I believe, with range over 200 miles.
For how much? I am buying Tesla mission. I do not care about time. If I would have that amount of money, I would have bought a Model X. I am buying a dream. I am buying a wish against oil fumes in my lungs from ICE cars. Maybe at my age I will have no much time of life left to seat in this car and summon a self driving ride. I didn't not care. I just wish to be respectful with the environment.. And no behave contrary.
To respect environment drive less, walk, ride bike, take bus, live close to work, buy less stuff, live with more people in one house, or in smaller dwelling, install solar water heater, energy upgrade house, etc. $50k powerful electric car not so much.
Both car makers are vague about their release dates, but yea, roughly around the same time, possibly sooner by a quarter for the Leaf.
Actually it would be quite funny if only very few of them were sold before for example imposing a $5k premium interior that would raise the price just at break even point. Then the few sold would become collectible items with some shown in museums with the description:
"This is the car that triggered the queues and the 400k revervation list. To our best knowledge 243 were produced and 96 still exist in private collections or museum around the world".
I predict the true $35k Model 3 will not be available in "8 months". I'd make a bet, but people like nix would then refuse to make good on the bet. Lol
Sure. And guess what happens if your prediction comes true? (Hint- absolutely NOTHING. (Except your disappointment))
Sounds like you look forward to arguing with Nix for the next 8 months. Don't you two have something better to do?
That's so awesome… in June it was "still six months away", but now, a little over halfway into that period, it's only eight months away!
June 8: https://insideevs.com/musk-confirms-35000-base-tesla-model-3-still-6-months-away/
You gotta hand it to him, Elon never promises more than he'll deliver, never paints a too-rosy picture…
I'm sorry, but to paint this as some kind of evidence that Musk is honest is extremely disingenuous. Tesla seems to be doing better, and I'm glad. Maybe his forecast is more plausible this time. But just because he says it is NO reason to believe it, given his track record.
I've been saying that base price would probably happening during Q2 2019. Apparently I was right, it's better to ask me about Tesla dates, not Elon Musk :).
I think during 2019 the interest for base model 3 will be far from big because tax credit will be just being phased out.
I think if we want to extend the tax credit in the US we need to convince Republicans that it disproportionately benefits the top 1%, and they'll renew it, make it point of purchase, and increase it to $10k so fast you'll get whiplash.
The premium ICE cars from BMW, Mercedes etc are already dead men walking/driving in the US, the base Model 3 threatens the like of the Camry, Accord and Civic. It would kill them too, but even at 10k a week, Tesla won't be making enough cars. However their relief will be short lived, they will not survive Model Y, when it gets sold in volume.
And when Tesla starts turning out both in China, at lower production costs, there will be no market in the world they cannot seize in similar fashion.
Only by producing electric cars of their own will the car companies be able to compete, and I do not mean the tiny, timid steps they are taking now. The longer they wait, the more of their market Tesla and the Chinese will take.
Premium ICE car sales are pretty consistent. Only thing is it has moved from sedans like the 3 series to SUV like the X series.
Consistently down 10-20% since 2015 by your chart. One guess who's eating the leader's lunch? Will be further interesting as Q4 numbers come in as well as when SR starts up in Q2 on impacts.
But it's increasing in 2018 from 2017! even if slightly. In Europe BMW sales, where there is not model 3, are actually going down (the age of the model 3 can influence it a bit).
Electric cars will replace ICE cars – that's obvious, but if BMW and others will do things right, they'll feel no pain regarding sales, they will replace their fleet to keep up with market trend.
The vast majority of Camry/Accord sell in the mid-twenties or lower so I don't see the $37.5K in any color but black delivered model 3 being a threat to them unless Tesla decides to offer really cheap leases. CUVs are the real threat to these sedans but good for manufactures since they have higher ASPs. Once the model Y comes out I think the combination of model 3 + model Y will wreak havoc in the $40K – 60K entry level luxury sedan/CUV market that is currently the bread and butter for BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Lexus, Acura and Infiniti. The German manufactures seem to at least be thinking about responding. The others not so much.
The Model Y is probably going to be around in 2022, but then it's likely there will be several BEV models from BMW, Mercedes and Audi at least. Probably an updated E-Tron and EQC, the iNext and the BEV 3 series amongst others.
The Y will certainly sell, but more organic than havoc to at least the Germans. I wouldn't put it past Lexus, Acura and Infiniti to have several models by that point too.
Yes but those Camry/Accords will burn $10K in gas in 4-5 years and require maintenance. The Model 3s will use perhaps $1K in electricity and require none. The TCO is similar so Toyota and Honda better get serious, people will figure this out and really, would you rather drive a Honda or a Tesla? I've made my decision(Model 3 owner for 2 months)
The Model 3 does require maintenance. Go check the owners handbook. Brake fluid and battery coolant changes are required every couple of years (or yearly for higher mileage drivers). They won't come cheap relative to Toyota/Honda service costs.
$2k a year in Gas for the first five years? Those aren't average Camry/Accord 12k annual miles your referencing,
More like 15k mi. / 20k mi. Annual drive cycle mileage.
Not trying to put down your car, but your math used to justify is off. Fuel economy . gov -> 2019 camry 2.5L shows 34mpg combined and $1250 a year.
Hybrid model would be less money to fuel but I went with the regular gas one.
Used Prius would beat the LR model 3 by a long shot in TCO if TCO is really what you are basing your decision on.
The following is just a speculation:
Now that more and more Tesla Model 3 cars can be seen in the streets, more people will notice the car, and as a direct result of that the popularity of the Tesla Model 3 probably will increase substantially.
People who are in the process of making a choice about which car they want to buy, could add the Tesla Model 3 to their short-list.
What will the demand for a Long Range Tesla Model 3 look like in the US in 2019?
What will happen if Tesla receives more than half a million new orders for a Long Range Tesla Model 3 from US customers within a year from now? Which is not entirely impossible, because Tesla will eat marketshare from other car manufacturers in this car segment.
Tesla will produce and deliver them first.
And the $35,000 Standard Range Tesla Model 3 will have to be delayed again.
Simple as that.
I agree and have also been saying that. Model 3's are rolling advertisements introducing previously unaware customers to the world of EVs. I see it happen all the time, folks who drive my Model S are gobsmacked. The idea that the Model 3 waiting list perpetually only shrinks until there's NO one left to buy the product is laughable. It's also funny to see the haters try and spin the popularity and glowing reviews of the Model 3 along with arguing that the car isn't very popular.
The question is not "no one left to buy the product", more "once reservations are fulfilled what is the organic sales rate". Sure, more people will be interested when they see them on the street, that's normal for all cars, but is it enough to increase the reservation list, or just enough to keep a nice sales number.
"Now that more and more Tesla Model 3 cars can be seen in the streets, more people will notice the car, and as a direct result of that the popularity of the Tesla Model 3 probably will increase substantially."
I don't think that statement needs any qualifiers. I think we've already seen compelling evidence this is already happening. Demand for the Model 3 is increasing… not decreasing, as the FÜDsters want us to believe!
Go Tesla! Keep going Tesla!
Tesla's aim is make profit, so here is how this will go:
1. Concentrate on US with LR+PUP M3 until January when federal tax credit halves and demand drops.
2. Begin international sales of LR+PUP M3. Continue until demand slackens.
3. Begin sales of LR without PUP (it's debatable if this will ever happen).
4. Release SR+PUP M3 (they even may require AWD for a while to increase SR profit margin).
5. Sell a token number of stripped M3s at $35k+delivery to avoid lawsuits.
So basically the whole reservation system was more or less useless for customers wanting a $35k 3. I, a non-Tesla owner, just went to Tesla's website and it says I could have a $49k LR 3 in my driveway "within 4 weeks". Likely some car a customer found too many defects with and rejected delivery previously. I'm sure those that stood in line 2+ years ago are feeling it was a great time investment. Lol
About 8 months Elon says….so maybe by Christmas next year in real world time? Maybe?
Just think, one year from now, when the $35k car is being produced along with all the others, imagine what you'll have to grind about? It's gotta be pretty exciting to think about all the future opportunities for moving the Tesla Failure Bar.
When the base Model 3 finally goes into production, those who have been waiting for that version are suddenly going to find their reservation pretty valuable again… if they have one!
"…so maybe by Christmas next year in real world time?"
It appears you're no better at estimating times than Elon is. 🙄
Yeah, more sour grapes from a serial Tesla basher/GM shill.
Wow, yet another postponement, to almost 2 years after first deliveries of the more expensive version.
The 225-mile 2019 Leaf (not named Tesla, but 225 miles range and double the amount of trunk space) should be globally available for less by then, with global production capacity of at least 100k/year, likely much more. And it will have the full Fed rebate in the US rather than only half for the Model 3). Not to mention the Bolt which has been around forever, although with less volume and less automaker push.
I'm sure plenty of people will be happy to wait for the base Model 3, but it won't be the revolution it has promised to be anymore.
There's a dilemma, though. Sure, you can buy the Leaf. But its a one time expensive purchase, and its a sting to drop large cash for the Leaf only to see the car you really wanted come available 6 months later. That point is never brought up in terms of waiting for the $35k Model 3. Unfortunately for many, the Model 3 is compelling enough to wait for.. and wait for.. Heck, the Bolt is available now and folks aren't flocking to it as the "Tesla Killer" it was touted to be. Granted, there's plenty of folks here (like bro1999) that will tell you how bad the Model 3 sucks, but the verdict is in: the Model 3 is a great car. Great enough to cause a perpetual holding pattern for many.
Most new Leafs in the US are leased. This will continue to be the case at least until the Fed rebate runs out, which at the current pace of US sales is a few years in the future.
And outside the US it will take even longer for the Model 3 to compete with the Leaf anyway.
Sure. But while leases can be cheaper than buying, it's still money that could be put toward the better vehicle. Just my opinion.
I think you are underestimating the brand's popularity….mostly because your dim vision of them.
That "dim vision" is a figment of your imagination. I have full respect for Tesla. I do critique them when warranted, though. For anyone except the blindest worshippers, there is a very clear reason to critique their base Model 3 strategy and track record.
Oh, the "worshippers" rethoric again? Man, you guy are original!
That Model 3 strategy that you talk about made this car the best sold ev model ytd….so be quiet! If you think you can do better apply for a job with them and help out.
Cheap Tesla 3 vs top-end Camry is not an even comparison. Camry XSE is a larger car, with much more room; it also comes standard with a HUD, Adaptive Cruise.
"However, that's about to change." Hardly. 8 months is an age. Comparing a stripped out Tesla to a loaded Camry is also a little off.
I like the Model 3, but the $35K model will have very little government subsidy by then, and I'm cautious of the repair costs which seem higher than equivalent 35K cars.


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Analyzing and Assessing the Provincial Competitiveness Index (PCI) of Da Nang city in the period of 2005-2008
Provincial Competitiveness Index (PCI) was built up in 2005, which was the researching result of Vietnam Chamber of Commerce and Industry (VCCI) and Vietnam Competitiveness Initiative (VNCI) supported by United State Agency International Development (USAID). From the date of announcement, PCI has been used more and more as an important tool to measure and evaluate the operation, management activities of economy in the governments of 64 cities, provinces in Vietnam in the experiences of private economy sector. Under the aspect of regional government, PCI has been using to define strengths, weakness in the management activity of every region, thus, building the approaches of improving business environment and economy development. PCI is also a measure of evaluating, comparing the efforts and advances of every province to others. The leaders are able to use PCI database to evaluate the policy changes and directly measure the impacts of this policy. Da Nang is one of the regions having PCI on the top list of the nation as a whole. One point increasing in PCI will not be a very special event but a decrease will negatively affect the investors. In which, with the expectation of becoming the economy centre, motive city of central region, Da Nang always continues to improve its business environment and attract more investors into city. Therefore, analysis and evaluation of PCI is considered as a necessary task which should be independently conducted, becoming an annual activity of city after VCCI/VNCI announcing their annual results. Based on the database provided by VNCI/VCCI, the report expects to make clearly the issues regarding to management competence of government in Da Nang city via experiences of private economy sector; it is a basis of departments, sectors and industries in city defining their weaknesses and proposing the approaches of overcoming, being towards the last aim of better improving the PCI and business environment in Da Nang city.
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Thursday, January 4, 2018
eleventh day of Christmas
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The snow looks beautiful, but I know looks can be deceiving. Just been watching on the news about the wild 'bomb cyclone' weather you are experiencing over there. Keep safe! xxReplyDeleteReplies
Lynda, the term "bomb" seems so dramatic, doesn't it? Basically, it was a New England snowstorm; we got 10 or 11 inches, which is nothing unusual. The cold, though, is hard to take and the wind has been strong.Delete
I guess the bomb refers to the rapidity of the storm's development, and this one's center was compared to that of a hurricane. Not a pleasant thought. But it's supposed to get a little warmer next week! :)
The snow looks so beautiful Lisa. Enduring a heatwave here at the moment so any images of cold weather are very welcome.ReplyDelete
I hope you are keeping warm, Lisa! The snowy picture looks beautiful as do your shelves of pretty things and sparkly lights.ReplyDelete
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There was a time when the name of director M. Night Shyamalan pretty much meant guaranteed box office success, especially in the horror genre. That time was over a decade ago, however, and this Friday's The Visit will be a true test as to whether his name can still fill seats. It might be somewhat tough.
The good news for distributor Universal Pictures is the budget is reportedly a tiny $5 million and profitability is virtually assured. The creepy tale centers on two kids visiting their possibly crazy grandparents. We're a ways away from A listers like Bruce Willis, Mel Gibson, Mark Wahlberg, and Will Smith headlining Shyamalan's offering. The Visit features an unknown cast and is banking solely on bringing in a horror crowd and hoping Night's name assists.
It was a long time ago that Signs debuted to $60 million and The Village made $50 million out of the gate. The director's lowest opening was in 2006 with the reviled Lady in the Water, which made $18 million. The Visit could compete with that number and it certainly has the capacity to over perform. Ultimately, though, I see this marking the director's worst opening for a still rather stellar start considering the mini budget and probably coming in second to competitor The Perfect Guy.
The Visit opening weekend prediction: $17 million
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The EUR/USD weekly chart has rallied to within 15 pips of the November 9 lower high. It is still in a 2-year trading range. Since it has been making lower highs for almost 2 years, it is also in a broad bear channel.
The weekly EUR/USD chart has been in a trading range for 2 years. It has also been in a broad bear channel for most of that time. If it therefore begins to break above lower highs, traders will see the chart as being in a trading range and not a bear trend. The trading range is still in a 3-year bear trend. Yet, after going sideways for more than 20 bars, the probability of a bull breakout is almost as high as for a bear breakout. The bulls have a lower low major trend reversal on the monthly chart.
The EUR/USD market has been sideways for 3 weeks after a strong rally. It is now at the resistance of the 1st of several major lower highs on the weekly chart. The follow-through buying after rallies on the daily chart has been week. Furthermore, the chart is now at a price that has led to many reversals down over the past 2 years. The odds therefore are that this rally will fail to break above the 2-year range. Yet, the momentum is strong and there is no sign of a top. Hence, the odds are that it will break at least a little above the November 9 lower high before going sideways for a month or two in a 200 pip range.
Because the EUR/USD has been in a 25 pip range for the past 6 hours, day traders have been scalping. While the momentum up on the daily chart favors a break above the November 9 high, there is no sign that the breakout will come today.
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The More Things Change …
As I get ready for Symantec Vision 2008 show in Las Vegas next month (be sure to drop by our booth), I was thinking about how tape management has evolved over the years.
Since the dawn of the information age, there have been backups of data stored on media. And as the value of a company's data has grown in importance, so has the need to easily store, move, track and protect the media that contains that backup data.
The very first business computers reserved all their disk space (once called packs) for core system files, forcing the data center to write all their information to tapes. The center assigned time slots to each data center operator. The operators, during their time slots, loaded round-reel tapes into vacuum drives and waited while the computer downloaded both data and application software to tape. In those days, if you lost a tape, you lost everything—applications as well as data. Tracking and protecting tapes could have been the difference between a company's success or failure.
Today's need for media management differs slightly from those early days. Software comes on CDs or off the web. Media include all types of tapes as well as CDs and removable disks. Open systems and networked environments have also had a drastic impact on media management. (Read the whitepaper we put out for more information on managing media in a networked environment.)
But the need to manage backup media is still as critical as ever, and maybe even more so. The amount of data companies produce increases exponentially every year, and in turn, so has the amount of backup media.
Moreover, compliancy and litigation issues have created requirements for retention schedules as well as security and accessibility standards for backup data that need to be met or risk debilitating fines. Once again, tracking and protecting tapes could have been the difference between a company's success or failure.
As we go forward and as technology advances, the expectations for tape and data management will become even more rigorous—which brings me back to Symantec Vision 2008. We'll be debuting a new product at the show that will take tape and data management to the next level.
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An Indiana man who ended up being criminally charged as a result of a Michigan-issued warrant placing a GPS locator on another man's car lost his appeal challenging the validity of the Indiana warrant used to search his home.
Michigan police were tracking Mark Holst's activity, believing he was selling meth and wanting to know where he obtained it. Holst went to Cory Castetter's Indiana home and lingered in his driveway. This led police to obtain a warrant to Castetter's home, which turned up meth, other drugs and around $62,000 in cash.
Castetter moved to suppress the evidence found from the warrant to search his home, claiming that the information derived from the Michigan-issued warrant placing the GPS locator on Holst's car should be ignored. He claimed Michigan's police lacked authority to monitor the car once it came into Indiana.
He also argued that the warrant issued in Michigan pertains to Holst only, so police were forbidden to learn who was doing business on Castetter's property without a warrant based on his own activities.
The federal court in Fort Wayne rejected his claims, leading to Castetter's conditional guilty plea and 108-month sentence. The record isn't clear what Castetter's official charges were.
He appealed, but the 7th Circuit affirmed the lower court. Judge Frank Easterbrook noted the Fourth Amendment does not mention anything about state lines. He also pointed out the judge who issued the warrant in Indiana did not say anything about Michigan police not having any business insinuating their GPS locators in this state.
Easterbrook went on to write that information about Holst's driving went by radio to a receiver connected to the internet, which transcends state borders. The GPS satellites tracking Holst are also beyond state domain.
Castetter's fallback argument was "equally weak," the 7th Circuit found. All the police learned by monitoring the GPS device was the location of Holst's car and Castetter lacked a privacy interest in that location, Easterbrook wrote.
"The Constitution is not offended if, by executing a warrant to search one person (such as Holst), police learn incriminating details about another (such as Castetter)," he wrote in United States of America v. Cory S. Castetter, 17-1327.


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For those of you who watch public access TV you may have seen Dr. Nicholas Perricone pontificating about healthy diet. It is amazing someone who knows so little about health can be so financially successful. Surely you heard of his best selling book The Wrinkle Cure. What a crock! Little of what he says or writes makes any sense. He keeps babbling about how unhealthy "no-fat diets" are. What no-fat diets? Who has ever heard of a "no-fat" diet? He promotes the myth that olive oil is somehow "good" for you. so you can eat all you want. He actually suggests eating more "good fats", so we'll be slimmer and burn off fat better! He really said that! Fat makes you fat, not food per se. His logic is something to behold, isn't it? Steamed brown rice has about 8% fat calories, and plain boiled oatmeal made with water has about 14%. Instead of advising people to take flax oil daily to get the omega-3 fatty acids they need, he wants you to eat a lot of salmon. Really good advice there Nick. We'll just have a half pound slab of salmon every day, instead of a capsule of flax oil.
He is totally clueless about natural hormone balance. He knows even less about supplements than he does about diet. That doesn't stop him from preaching about that though. He tells you to take four supplements a day. Vitamin E, and he is very correct here. He wants you to take huge megadoses of vitamin C. This will just acidify your blood, and make you sickly. We only need 60 mg of vitamin C every day. If you want to take a supplement do not take more than 250 mg. Mega-doses of anything are bad for you including sex, sunshine, oxygen and everything else. Next, he recommends alpha lipoic acid, which is a wonderful supplement everyone over 40 should take. The problem is that he says to take a mere 50 mg. This simply isn't going to do it at all. 400 mg is the correct dose. Lastly, he wants you to take DMAE. This enjoyed brief popularity almost 20 years ago, until people found out it simply didn't work. There is simply no science behind DMAE, no studies in the international literature. If DMAE had any benefits after all these de-cades the studies would be there and people would be taking it. He is completely clueless about the other proven supplements such as flax oil, CoQ10, beta glucan, beta-sitosterol, ALC, vitamin D and all the rest of them Hormones don't even occur to him. He's too clueless.
In 2013 he upped his game. He is now selling a $3 glycolic acid cream for $140!!! Seriously, he is. "Sub-D® Cold Plasma Cream" is on TV for $140. There is no "Sub-D" and no " cold plasma" in the cream. Folks, you have to have brass testicles to sell fifty cents worth of glycolic acid for $140. Glycolic acid is very irritating and ineffective, and has not been popular. He adds a little DMAE. If that worked we would certainly use it at Young Again. A little lipoic acid. Lipoic acid is also irritating and ineffective. He won't reveal the ingredients on his website, but you can find them on the Internet. By law he must put all the ingredients on the label. The complete ingredients are at the bottom.*
In 2016 he is still on TV selling his junk face creams. Go to his website www.drperricone.com and look at his overpriced supplements. How about 90 capsules of (unrefrigerated) fish oil for $38? Why is someone like this so popular, and why does his book sell so well? Why do fools pay $140 for a $3 worthless cream? Those are the real questions.


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Autumn starts on the September Equinox; this is the day Heather begins her garden duties as the Autumn fairy.
Andrena has a few jobs for Heather to take charge of; these include picking up windfall apples from the garden, checking nuts are growing on the hazel tree and collecting colourful leaves for crafts.
This should keep Heather busy for a while!
There is a bountiful harvest of apples, these will keep the fairies happy and healthy through the autumn months, thought Heather as she gathered the ripened fruit.
The hazel tree had a few nuts growing and a beautiful spider's web too.
Heather was a dab hand at sewing with the silver thread provided by her friend.
There were plenty of beautiful leaves to collect too and this busy fairy could think of lots of crafts to make with the range of colours she found.
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WHAT: The University of Toronto researchers who exposed last year's spyware attack on China's Google, Twitter and other Internet services are back again. They have traced China-based hackers stealing top-secret national security information from India, 1,500 e-mails from the Dalai Lama's office and ID theft information worldwide.
HOW BIG: The espionage system called GhostNet is the world's largest known computer-controlled spyware network. Its automated botnets have been found infiltrating 1,295 computers in 103 countries in the past two years.
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Farmers back flood recovery grants
North-east Victoria farmers have welcomed their inclusion in Federal Government recovery grants.
The Government announced yesterday, the Towong and Indigo shires are now eligible for $25,000 grants, in line with Shepparton and Moira Shire residents.
Stephen Hill is a pig and sheep farmer at Corryong and says getting his farm back in order after the floods has been costly.
He says there was extensive damage to fences and roads.
"That will help us to offset some of the costs we have incurred, basically fixing fences and yards and clearing tracks and earth working and all that sort of stuff," he said.
"We have run up a little bit of a bill, I'm sure most farmers who are affected up here are pretty much in the same boat as we are."
He says damage from the floods was incredible.
"The sheer volume of rock and logs and stuff that has come down, you have to see it to believe it," he said.
"It's amazing the amount of material that was all in the road where we really didn't need it, so we had to shift a lot of that and start putting fences back up, start fabricating replacement panels for the yards and stuff like that."
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I enjoyed being able to photograph Kylie and Kevin's engagement shoot, as well capturing their special day! Both of them met in Fort Myers through their church, and found out they shared a passion for running. Kylie and Kevin began to develop a strong friendship during their runs together, and immediately formed a connection! After their one year anniversary, Kevin popped the question!
Their wedding took place at Nokomis Community Park in Venice, Florida. The ceremony site was absolutely gorgeous, adorned with trees draped with Spanish moss. Kylie and Kevin said their "I do's" under a canopy of two Oak trees. Their sand ceremony was especially meaningful. Kylie's sand came from Siesta Key Beach where she grew up, and Kevin's came from Melbourne where he resided.
The reception reflected their theme of beach and underwater decorations. Fish in glass bowls were placed on the table as centerpieces, along with shells that were scattered throughout the table.
Kylie and Kevin made their grand bubble exit as both of them stepped into Kylie's car, which was all decorated for the newlyweds!
Congratulations to both of you! I wish you two the best future together!


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At The Old State House of Web Design & Development, we get really excited about the shiny and the new. And we know of nothing shinier than the new website www.Danco.com! With the amazing and highly effective Jennifer Longley and her equally dynamic colleagues Kevin Jones, Kriste White and Nikki Collins, we all worked together to bring you a new design and some wonderful new functionality. And as anyone who has worked with Jennifer Longley before knows, she is infinitely professional and makes the process thoroughly enjoyable. So it was a joy to bring it all together!
At Danco, their corporate culture is all about innovating, and they always deliver. After working with them directly, we now know firsthand that this is overwhelmingly true. They leave no stone unturned in their loyalty to their customers. And this, among many other things, is precisely why they are the industry leader, and with so many loyal customers in return. For example, their fantastic new Solutions Center addresses common DIY plumbing problems and how to easily fix them.....all while saving money and empowering yourself in the process. The section offers helpful pictures and videos to provide you an understandable go-to resource for plumbing Do It Yourself projects. How to fix a leaky faucet, your water pressure is weak, how to connect a portable dishwasher, updating sink handles or a sink spray? It's all there when you need it in an easy to understand format.
Danco.com also offers a new "Did You Know?" section to provide helpful hints to saving money or updating your kitchen or bath...or both. And get ready, because in a challenging economy it's a thrill to empower yourself while saving money at the same time! Danco's "How To" section is infinitely thorough and yet easy to understand as well. On www.Danco.com, they walk you through some common fixes you can easily do yourself. And as you'll see, this innovative new website will prove to you time and again that saving money will never go out of style!
Another thing we love about Danco (and by now you know that there are many), is their "Inventor Central" section. Have an idea which could revolutionize the way things are done in the plumbing sector? Well, consider them a potential partner in this easy to navigate and innovation-friendly section! And Danco's "Careers" page will always celebrate the power of their people. At every turn on the new website, they remind you that they will never take their leader-status for granted. Every single day the tireless and amazing team members at Danco show they love to innovate.... and bring you better solutions at affordable prices.
So in conclusion, make sure to visit the brand new www.Danco.com! It really is a special site, for a special company, for their special customers. And we had such a nice time working with everyone at Danco. When we first started, we read in searches over and over that they were known for superior quality, innovation and service. And now that we've worked with Danco directly, we know for sure that this is all very true!
Congratulations Danco on the launch of the new www.Danco.com! And also make sure to check out all of the great money-saving Danco products at Home Depot, Lowe's, Ace Hardware, Menard's and other stores nationwide.


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Castiglione, Giovanni Benedetto
Giovanni Benedetto Castiglione (jōvän´nē bānādĕt´tō kästēlyō´nā), 1610?–1670, Italian painter and engraver of the Genoese school, called Il Grechetto. In his later years Castiglione was court painter at Mantua. He is best known for his landscapes and rural scenes with animals, but he also painted portraits and religious works, such as the Nativity (Genoa). His pictures are full of life and movement, their colors rich and glowing. Castiglione's etchings are among the best produced in Italy during his century. His treatment of light and shade is particularly fine. A number of his oil-on-paper sketches are in the Royal Library at Windsor.
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DIY Quilled Gift Tags
Create cute custom tags with quilling paper. These quilled gift tags will be a huge hit!
For those of you who grabbed quilling paper when we had it on sale, go grab it now! I am going to show you an easy project to incorporate your colorful strips of paper. For those of you who did not pickup quilling papers, don't worry, we have quilling supplies on sale right now! Okay, so I know this is not how you are supposed to use quilling paper, but when I was thinking of tag ideas all of the colorful quilling paper we had in our crafting studio caught my eye. Immediately I thought "I must glue that paper all over a tag!". Really, that's what I thought!
To achieve my patterned tags, I just cut down my strips of quilling paper and glued them to my tag in different directions. There really are so many design possibilities you could do with this project. I just kept layering paper on one of my tags. I ended up sticking with different shades of pink paper, but imagine how pretty it would be to incorporate other colors.
Have you ever used quilling paper? What did you make?
Here's what you'll need:
- Tags
- Quilling Paper
- Yarn
- Glue
- Scissors
Let's get crafty!
Step 1: Starting towards the top of your tag, mark a line that is a 1/4 inch long. Make every third line a 1/2 inch long. Draw lines every 1/4 inch.
Step 2: Put glue over the first line you made. Start with your light pink paper and lay it over the glue so it is running over the edge of your tag.
Step 4: Flip your tag over and trim your excess paper. Use a darker pink paper for every third line. Then, on the other side of your tag, use your medium colored pink paper for your small lines. Use your dark pink paper once again for your longer lines. Continue adding paper to your tag until you get to the end.
Step 5: Cut a piece of yarn that is 5 1/2 inches long. Fold your yarn in half and put the end with the loop through the hole in your tag (go from the back to the front). Then, put the ends of your yarn through the loop. Give your yarn a tug and tie a knot at the end of your yarn. That's it!
Wrap a gift in kraft paper and top it off with one of these delightful tags!


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I was out visiting yesterday afternoon when daughter Helen rang. I hadn't taken my iPhone with me which may have been fortuitous, as Helen was ringing to tell me that the security company rang her with a message saying her house alarm was going off. I have driven the 400metres to her place on a couple of previous alarm alerts and re-set the system after a false alarm.
This time however, it was a real break in. A side window was levered out and the villain gained access and stole just jewellery at an estimated $3,000 including a few sentimental pieces given to Helen by Joan, my late wife and Helen's mother. This morning forensic police officers visited to try and take fingerprints, but gloves were worn. They told Helen and James that three other houses in this estate were also done over yesterday afternoon.
Laptop, desktop computers, iPod and other valuable gear was not touched and there was not the usual vandalism often perpetrated by youth. Obviously a pro who could conceal his loot in his pockets.
Talking to Helen this morning I told her that it could have been a bit nasty if I blundered into the house thinking it was just a false alarm.
Helen and James have adequate house and contents insurance and she is out now getting some of the pieces valued from photographs and online catalogues.


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Conditional perfect is an English grammatical tense. It relates an action that someone would have done.
would + have + past participle
I would have traveled around the world.
Would you have traveled around the world?
I wouldn't have stayed in my hometown.
- Conditional perfect is used for something that might have happened in the past.
- It is also used in the main clause of conditional sentences type in type III.
- She would have met him if she had come earlier.
- You would have got more money, if you had worked harder.
- He would have passed the test, if he had studied.
- We would have arrived on time, if we had run faster.


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Nissan – official automotive sponsor of the UEFA Champions League – has installed Real Madrid's Gareth Bale and Manchester City's Sergio Agüero as its latest global ambassadors.
Nissan says its 'Engineers of Excitement' will help bring football fans closer to the UEFA Champions League action as they will play a 'pivotal role' over the course of the season in 'exciting' fans - starting with a lead role in an exclusive film created by Nissan.
Showcasing their skills, the film reveals the star players as they go head-to-head in a competitive rally. The Engineers of Excitement challenge each other to return the ball, and we see their renowned technique and skills up close as they play the ball back and forth.
On becoming Nissan's new global ambassador, Bale said: "I'm thrilled to be working with Nissan on their partnership with the UEFA Champions League. Having won the tournament twice with Real Madrid C.F., the competition is very special to me and I know it takes a tremendous amount of hard work to win. It is one of the most exciting competition in the world, and I'm looking forward to sharing that excitement with the fans."
Sergio Agüero added: "I'm very happy to be working with Nissan. The UEFA Champions League is such an exciting tournament which features some of the best teams, players and managers in the game. The week-in-week-out drama on and off the pitch makes it a great competition to be a part of as a player, and to watch as a fan."
Jean-Pierre Diernaz, Vice President for Marketing, Nissan Europe commented: "We are absolutely delighted to welcome Bale and Agüero to the Nissan family, as our new ambassadors and Engineers of Excitement. As part of the UEFA Champions League partnership, we wanted to work with ambassadors that demonstrate and share our same principles of innovation and excitement. Why them? Because like Nissan they are challenging convention, are true innovators of the game and every time that step on that pitch they deliver excitement to fans."


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FOLLOW YOUR NOSE World Premiere
It´s premiere day and we are exited to share our latest movie called #followyournose with you tonight.
For the world premiere of FOLLOW YOUR NOSE we will not only show our film for hundreds of snowboarders at the world premiere in Innsbruck but also invite the rest of the world for an exclusive 48 hours online premiere on RED BULL TV - 9PM CET | 3PM ET | 12PM PT
The traditional cinema world premiere will take place at the Leo Kino in Innsbruck and is for sure the place to be tonight Dec. 11th.
So don't miss the chance to meet Gigi Rüf and Elias Elhardt, get lots of free stuff from our sponsors, watch the movie on a big screen and party till the early morning!
Check out the FOLLOW YOUR NOSE - UHD teaser on youtube and get hyped for to night.
FOLLOW YOUR NOSE WORLD PREMIERE Program:
19:00 - 21:00 Meet & Greet at Blue Tomato Shop | Innsbruck | Anichstrasse 3
Meet the Riders, Free cinema tickets, goodies from Slash, Dakine & Deeluxe as well as Free Drinks & Snacks.
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I'm no stranger to books that have dark, depressing circumstances--I read [b:Break Her|16049218|Break Her|B.G. Harlen|http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1349715284s/16049218.jpg|21830599] and was absolutely enthralled by it in its entirety--enthralled by the lead female's unbreakable spirit and unflinching drive to persevere out of horrific circumstances. She showed spirit, she fought, then she was cowed, and beaten, broken and knew when to keep her mouth shut. She also knew how to bide her time while constantly looking for opportunities.
Olivia didn't accomplish that for me. I'd have liked to see Olivia fighting for herself. Rip pipes out of the walls from the sink or the shower (or try to), peel back the plaster with only her fingernails (or try to), take a spring from the mattress and use it as a garrotte or something! Something more than biting, kicking, screaming and crying. I wanted resourceful. I wanted machinations and scheming! Is that too much to ask? She took the first opportunity presented (which, maybe she wouldn't get another one!), but it was harebrained and ill-planned. She took a gun, a coat and ran. Cars? Cash? Capital to trade with? I can't remember, did she go through his wallet? I wish she would have!
I thought at some point, give some opinions from reviewers I follow, I would start sympathizing with Caleb.
I never did.
He has this dynamic, tragic past that lends him depth and credence behind his hatred. But the waffling! Lo, the waffling!! If you're going to be evil, be evil. Then while still being evil, have some regrets. Then after the regrets, QUIT BEING EVIL! He hurts her, he pleases her, beats her, bathes her, strips her. In between all this, she gets some notions about him, starting to find things she likes about him. I can understand this in a twisted sense, I can even get behind it (fantasy, eh?), and then she starts comparing her captivity between captors: Biker/Bartender Tiny and Captor Caleb. The company of one tries to rape her, whereas the other DOES accomplish this. Guess who she prefers the company of. Caleb...the rapist, but its okay because he always takes care of her afterward. Yes, she actually says this.
The vicious cycle carried no emotion for me simply because my suspension of belief was just not great enough this time (and I'm fairly easy to please! See how this still got 3 stars, eh?).
I may pick up the 2nd novel just to see if her vindictive, bestial half takes over just to lay it on Caleb a bit. I'd love to see that.
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Krasnokamsky RMZ in July received approval to participate in federal program of subsidy assistance for agro-industrial complex within the frameworks of which manufacturers will provide to farmers a discount for the manufactured equipment and the state will compensate these costs to the companies. Under this program Russian farmers will be able to purchase baler R12-Super produced by Krasnokamsky RMZ with a discount of 15%.More
Krasnokamsky RMZ has adapted the tractor-mounted front lift FRONLIFT- 800 for universal tractors YTO (China).More
Krasnokamsky RMZ will present the capabilities of its agricultural machinery at the International Agro-industrial Exhibition with field demonstration of equipment and technologies "The Day of the Field - 2013". The exhibition will be held on July 18-20 in the Republic of Bashkortostan.More
Krasnokamsky RMZ has developed a production model of a high-speed coil packer SPEEDWAY 120. The new machine will supplement the line of forage harvesting equipment manufactured by Krasnokamsky RMZ under the trade name Wolagri owned by the co-owner of the plant - Tonutti Wolagri Group (Italy).More


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I wish I had the opportunity to teach my younger self lessons that I know now, but that means I wouldn't understand these lessons like I do in the year 2017.
A lot of these are common sense to many people, but we have a really interesting habit where we KNOW what to do, but we have a very difficult time making ourselves believe those rules apply to us.
"I am different".
Chances are you aren't different, chances are you are not an outlier. If you were truly an outlier, there's a damn good chance you wouldn't be reading this blog, you would be out making money on what you do and not giving a shit what someone like me says because my experiences will never be your experiences.
This is a nice random list of rules I have learned the hard way.
Every. Single. One. Of. Them.
- Mass for the sake of mass is pointless and easy to do, facked =/= jacked.
- Lean mass takes years to cultivate, do it with a modicum of conditioning and it takes longer.
- Bigger people don't live longer lives.
- There is more to lifting than just pounds on the bar.
- Aerobic capacity can't be increased by shorter rests between sets.
- Be versatile, play sports, climb rocks, ride bikes, go hiking, your lifting doesn't mean you are fit. It means you lift.
- More isn't always better. More volume, more food, more cardio. Diminishing returns are real.
- Taking time off from the gym can be the best thing for your physique, health, and mental outlook.
- Eat like a vegetarian who likes meat. Contrary to foolish belief, vegetables and fruits are good for "gains".
- Leaner feels better, remember that when you start having spillover onto your pants.
- Re-consider your relationship with food if you are habitually tracking macros for months on end. That type of dilegence is also an eating disorder whether you want to admit it or not.
- 95% of us don't need an intra-workout shake.
- No, you can't go heavy "forever".
- Machines you made fun of at 25 will become staples in your training at 40. Ahem Smith Machine.
- Nobody ever asked you, "how much can you lat pulldown".
- If you aren't planning to be a powerlifter, flat barbell bench press is overrated. Flame away on that one.
- Hire a coach at least once in your training life, the accountability and difference in styles will change you.
- Competition isn't for everyone, even some of you who routinely compete.
- Go to the goddamn doctor, regularly. Bloodwork, physicals, etc. Again, like #6 says, your lifting doesn't make you fit.
- The older you get, the more you listen to lists like these because you will relate. Trust me on this one.
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What a magical day I had yesterday. Like I mentioned on Friday I was going with my mama and Bridgie to The Big Apple Circus on Sunday, little did I know this visit was exactly what I needed to recharge and get on with life. The second I saw her at South Station I knew I was going to be fine. We had a quick drive over to the circus but I felt like I vomited out everything I had been dealing with the whole week and by the time we got out of the car it was on to the circus.
We got there a tad early which was enough time for them to grab a snack and then take some silly pictures!
We then headed to our seats to chat some more before the show and look at the set.
Then the lights went down and The Big Apple Circus band started up and the ring was flooded with all the performers.
This years theme was NYC, so every act was tied around some sort of city element. The first act was a 16 year old who juggled. He was so amazing, at one point he had over 7 balls in the air and was juggling them behind his back.
Next out was the clown. Last year they had two clowns, and though they were good I just loved the clown this year! He kept the audience laughing and got everyone engaged, I think he did a better job than the ring master did.
After the clown made his appearance they kept with the theme and brought out a "painter" who was actually a guy who did tricks on a ladder. It looked semi easy, yet when you figure he is just balancing on a ladder with zero support you realize how difficult it must be. I mean heck, I have trouble with tree pose!
If this weren't amusement enough, they then brought in two more people who balance. This duo were two men who balanced on each other.
They were impressive with all the moves they had, but they weren't my favorite. It was almost like the contortionist last year. Amazing that they could do what they did, but not something I really enjoyed as much as the other acts.
Next up with a professional pick pocket. He had me laughing so hard! He pulled a member out of the audience and then proceeded to steal his wallet, glasses, and cell phone continuously. The guy didn't even know it was happening, but it had the whole tent rolling laughing.
I have to admit something was in the air yesterday, because when I woke up little kitty was being a total brat, but then when I went to the circus and the animals there were being total brats too I knew it was something other than a spoiled kitty.
The dogs didn't want to do tricks, the horses didn't want to run in the right direction. Here the horse was carrying the dog, but after once around he just didn't want to do it anymore. I think that amused me more than if the trick actually went right.
Right before a quick intermission one of my favorite acts performed. Two women on the trapeze bar doing all these amazing tricks. I couldn't believe I gasped more than a few times, normally it takes a lot to get my heart rate going but these ladies were fantastic! They did so many flips, catching themselves by only interlocking their legs. I was in awe and couldn't stop talking about it during the quick break.
When we came back in I thought nothing could top them! I then got a little disappointed because a couple came out, and the lady was singing. Last year this was the act where they tangoed. Ok I'm not a dance hater, but I didn't go to the ballet I went to the circus. If I wanted to see dancing I would have gone somewhere else. I was thoroughly prepared to be bored. I was wrong though, these were tight rope walkers!
They were fantastic and so strong! The lady at one point actually had her husband on her shoulders! I can't even give the boyfriend a two second piggy back ride!
I was more than satisfied with this performance! When it ended the horses then came out again. I didn't take any pictures because like I mentioned they were in a mood and I was more worried about them deciding it was time to run into the audience. Luckily they didn't and everyone was safe!
Last act was tied with the trapeze ladies for a favorite. It was a group of performers who used a seesaw to launch members into the air doing some amazing back flips.
So amazing, they would be on slits or on a pogo stick as well doing all these great tricks. I was cheering and clapping and loosing myself in the moment of total awe. Sadly after they were done the show was done. I couldn't believe it just flew by. I remember thinking last year that it wasn't that great but still fun. This year I was totally bummed when it was over.
It was what my soul needed, time with the mama and a great show. I'll recap the rest of the weekend later on this week!
I hope everyone had something great happen to them this weekend.
Have you ever been to the circus?


text: One week after playing an integral role in Falmouth's Class B boys' basketball state championship, Yachtsmen senior Tom Wilberg was named the winner of a $2,000 All-State Academic scholarship at the Maine Association of Basketball Coaches/Maine McDonald's basketball banquet in Bangor March 8. Wilberg is a National Merit Finalist, an AP Scholar, a 2013 US Presidential Scholar candidate and a member of National Honor Society and Math Team, where he was one of the top scorers. He's a high honors student and is in the top 10 percent of his class, in addition to excelling in basketball, soccer and tennis. Wilberg also plays the saxophone and guitar. His college choice is undecided. He's considering a course of study in biology, biomedical sciences, pre-med or pre-law.