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Most diabetic complications are caused by poor circulation, not by blood sugar itself.
The research that I did just today, leads me to believe, what I suspected is true. Diabetic complications are caused by poor blood circulation not directly by higher than normal blood sugar.
Higher than normal blood sugar does contribute to poor circulation of course I don't question that.
What I do question is does getting blood sugar down below 6 with drugs prevent the complications of poor circulation. The second question in my mind is, can one prevent poor circulation complications with an A1c of 7? My experience over a total of 30 years, 21 years since diagnoses is yes. I have always paid very close attention to my blood circulation, blood pressure and cholesterol ratios. My numbers are perfect. They were even when I carried extra weight and was insulin resistant. I am a frustrated scientist. If I have been born after woman's lib, I would be a scientist or doctor today. That is what motivated me to do this experiment with diabetes and blood circulation for so many years. To summarize what I have learned: Lowering blood sugar to the ideal range, doesn't prevent complications of poor circulation. Maintaining good circulation, blood pressure and cholesterol ratios, prevents complications of blood sugar of A1c7. hat do you think?
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I think you already are a scientist. My previous doctor who I loved (took his time with me) told me to think of high BG as thick syrup which thickens the blood and bacteria thrive in that sugary environment. I ask a lot of questions to every doctor I see. Not just for the information I hope to receive, but it says a lot about them. Another doctor who is good with supplements told me that he has his mom take Nattokinase twice a day. I get mine from Vitacost and it sure is a lot cheaper than Vasculex which probably is a better product, but too expensive for me. 2,000 FU's twice a day. And since I am ok to take aspirin, I take baby aspirin twice a day as well. Plus 14 other supplements. So I am either taking good care of myself or I have very costly pee. It is worth the chance provided it doesn't cause any harm. I have been type one for 38 years and just recently got on a Continuous Glucose Monitor (CGM). This seems to work well for me. I have never been in the 7's with A1C's. So Rosalie or anyone else, let me know if you see potential complications in my method if you would. The Nattokinase seems to be the ticket. Anytime a doctor recommends an over the counter supplement meaning no money in his pocket, I am more likely going to believe it. Any comments?
Hi Rosalie, I agree with you 100%. Keeping A1C under control and eating healthy foods is the key. I've had it 47 years, wear an insulin pump, have a 25 year old son,
RosalieM, Do you rise every morning and make it a point to try to get people on this site as much misinformation as possible? Or do you just want to really piss me off? You need to pull it back. You are not a physician nor are you a scientist. Your supposed "advice" can cause more harm than good. You are incorrect on complications of diabetes - they are indeed a result of POOR GLYCEMIC CONTROL (that's blood sugar control). Making it simple, please read this: The harm that diabetics are faced with is done at a cellular level resulting in circulation problems - but the circulation "issues" are caused by poor glycemic control. At the cellular level, red blood cells are damaged due to HIGH GLUCOES LEVELS; the sugar molecules bind to red blood cells, changing there native shape causing damage throughout the circulatory system, damaging arteries and capillaries. This damage caused by the red blood cells is repaired by cholesterol produced by the liver, leading to arterial plaque formation — all triggered by an inflammatory response. The "misshaped" red blood cells result in greater damage in dense capillary areas such as the hands and feet, and fragile capillaries such as those that feed the kidneys and eyes. I can only imagine what kind of other misinformation you would spew if you went into a scientific field.
Your getting pissed off if your responding in your child mode (emotional). If you turn your adult on, you will be able to reason about these things with out getting pissed off. I didn't just make them up. I know that is what they say, I am giving possible alternatives. The American Heart Association said don't eat fat, eat carbs that is wrong and led to a huge increase in diabeties. They also said take calcium pills. It turns out the calcium particles in pills are to big to be absorbed, the calcium ends up in the blood vessels where it catches cholesterol and forms plaque and hardening of the arteries, while the bones are weakened for lack of calcium. The American Diabetes Association says to diabetics, eat 6-11 servings of carbohydrate a day. I don't need to tell you what that does to your blood sugar. What other "expert" do you want me to not question?
Now RosalieM, You do realize that anger is but one of the normal human emotions, or do you not believe that? And what you said in your response to me did not address the reason for my anger (i.e., pissed off). My anger, again a rational human emotion that is triggered by something someone did or said (which I will address) was due to you spouting misinformation and to be more blunt, incorrect information. It is quite apparent that you like to put your self-serving spin on pretty much everything to say, to twist everything to your mantra of "don't eat carbohydrates because they will cause your blood sugar to go out of control, cause complications, and kill you." Now, if you find a reputable scientific or medical journal (notice, I said reputable) that supports your theories that diabetic complications are caused by poor circulation and carbohydrates are wrong, I will publicly apologize on this forum and state that you are indeed the font of all knowledge. And, while I believe that all that I've posted is correct since I check and re-check my limited knowledge (I don't use herbal shaman sources), it is very possible that I can be in error, If so, I am man enough to both apologize and agree to keep my mouth shut in instances where my ignorance can potentially harm those who visit this forum. Oh, and if you don't believe in emotions (your child), does that mean you don't love people, don't empathize with others, don't wish others success, et., etc., etc.?
Anger is certainly a normal human emotion. I engage in sometimes myself, but limit my use of anger to those times when I have no doubt someone with their own full knowledge is trying to do something naughty to me. Then all hell will break lose in me. Mistakes people make, ideas they share that I don't agree with, ignorance, even insulting comments don't qualify for my anger to be stirred up. My self esteem can handle insulting comments when I know they are not true. I am the one that decides that. If I deem myself guilty and I do sometimes, I apologize. I apologized to someone on this board recently because I didn't make a distinction between insulin and drugs. Insulin is a hormone not a drug. I didn't make that clear so I apologized. I do have empathy. When someone on this board makes an important life change for dealing with their diabetes, I support and praise them to a hilt for it. When praise and empathy are given out for say just
a minor day to day thing, I hold back. I feel it cheapens the value to that person. People can get in the habit of looking for attention.
I want my response to really count.
Besides support, I feel this board is important for learning. Sharing ideas whether they are 100%
correct all the time or not, helps make people think and do research. The "experts" have often been wrong in the past. I have no problem having people correct one of my ideas. I will attempt to find the right answer, if I can't I will admit to that. We get closer to the illusive truth
this kind of discussion.
RosalieM, you are incorrect, insulin is a drug - a drug is (1) : a substance recognized in an official pharmacopoeia or formulary (2) : a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease (3) : a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body (4) : a substance intended for use as a component of a medicine but not a device or a component, part, or accessory of a device. And this is according to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.
RosalieM, Look at the definition of what is a drug. That includes insulin, growth hormone, etc. because (read 2 and 3 above) "(2) : a substance intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease (3) : a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body." Just because you don't believe the definition does not make you correct. Plus read again what you said - "Hormones are not drugs either. They are sometimes used as drugs." If they are used as drugs, then by your definition, they ARE drugs. While it may appear that I enjoy "picking" on you, that is NOT true at all; I just don't like half-truths or misinformation being spread.
yes BUT just because they were wrong about some things doesn't mean they are wrong about everything…some things can not be disputed…the ADA are not the only ones that have studied this..They are NOT my favorite organization either..but even I don't dispute their (and other's) findings on this…I just wish people would spend more time addressing the issue instead of the symptoms…BUT there is a reason my BG goal is normal…because the human body is set up to work in normal mode…anything outside of this causes complications…
I agree with what you say. My concern is the "experts" focus so much on blood sugar as the culprit in complications, that they lead people to believe that if you just take their drugs and get your blood sugar low you won't have complications.
That ain't necessarily so. I know that you are perfectly capable of sorting this out but many are not.
A shortage of vitamin K2 can produce the same complications as it causes arteries to be clogged with calcium. We never hear about vitamin K2 why not? "The body is set up to work in normal mode." as you say. We need to pay attention to normal in all things, not just blood sugar. That is the point I am trying to make without writing a whole book.
Read what you said, you said that complications are caused by poor circulation. Not true, they are caused by poor glycemic control.
Poor glycemic control does cause poor circulation as does a shortage of vitamin K2, sedentary lifestyle etc.
That can happen even without poor glycemic control.
Those other things added to poor glycemic control is a double whammy for diabetics developing complications.
which is caused by insulin resistance…treat the glucose treat the insulin resistance…a winning combo…grin…
Jibber that is certainly true, but I don't have insulin resistance. Don't know if I ever did. The doctor that diagnosed my diabetes said he would rather deliver babies even though I had lost all the weight. He just didn't want to deal with diabetes so I left him. Had no further testing. I know I never had metabolic syndrome and insulin resistance is one of the symptoms of that.
Ok, I am a reasonably intelligent person, BUT what I am taking away from this discussion is that because I use insulin to help control my bg, I am doing more harm to my body than good even though I don't have neuropathy, or retinopathy or a miriad of other diabetic complications. So I'm just supposed to ditch the insulin and wing it. It is really great that you all are able to maintain without drugs, but our bodies all react differently and a one size fits all treatment does not apply. If I had come across this discussion after being newly dx, it would have frightened me and sent me into a worse depression than I was already in. God gave us these tools and it is up to us to learn to use them wisely; ie, diet and medication. I do not cover my carbs with my insulin and have made a big effort to eat both less and better. Insulin is a tool. If it helps me get where I need to be, then I'm using it.
I do not classify insulin as a drug. Sorry I didn't make that clear. The body makes it's own insulin. If we are short, we are only
replacing what are bodies no longer make. The same for any other hormone, I take insulin too. Insulin is a hormone and insulin is a replacement for what we are missing. You body does not make metformin, actos and other diabetic drugs, They are foreign to our bodies. Even if the insulin, is not human. It can be made from pig insulin. It is still insulin and still lowers blood sugar in the way the body intended.
But yet the findings are that it is in fact more dangerous than the metformin your body doesn't make…
Hi Jibber,
I would agree with that for fast acting insulin taken to cover the carbs in a meal. That should be done with diet as you are doing. Fast acting insulin, makes cheating way easier which also results in weight gain.. Metformin for a time is the least problematic as it doesn't cause weight gain. The other drugs cause weight gain and make it nearly impossible to ever get blood sugar under control.
I take long acting insulin, and only enough to make up for my shortage. I am very careful that my diet be as good as I can make it. I want to be well nourished, but not gain weight. That has to be balanced with the right amount of exercise. It can be tricky at times, but worth it. It took me many years to figure this out.
… and yet injecting insulin is not without its risks.
Studies have shown that type 2's on insulin have a greater risk for complications than those on other 'drugs'… and even have a higher mortality rate. http://bit.ly/1BOxAi2
I understand that there are circumstances where insulin is required and that I may find myself in that position … but until then I will do whatever it takes to postpone or prevent that from happening. I believe that is achieved by maintaining ideal weight, exercising regularly, eating a low carb moderate protein, high-fat diet and keeping my blood glucose levels as close to normal as possible … hopefully without drugs but if it means taking metformin, so be it.
I think that article is referring to fast acting insulin taken according to the carbohydrate in meals. I have taken that in the past. It is dangerous. I refuse to take it. Usually one can get the blood sugar down with a low enough carbohydrate intake. I don't make enough insulin for even a very low carb diet. I only take long acting insulin and just enough to cover what I can't make. My diet is designed to make this work.
The article says insulin…not fast acting insulin…didn't speak at of taking insulin according to carbs in meals…just said insulin…
Perhaps it was an over sight by the writer. I have made that kind of over sight myself. I took the fast acting insulin along with the long acting for a time. The fast acting insulin caused me to gain weight as did the drugs. With my long acting insulin and diet, I don't need to worry about my weight anymore. It stays the same.
Lmao…an oversight by the writer…yes THAT is what it is…and NOT you wishing yourself to be correct despite all of the evidence…
You need to notice when I correct myself, which I do. It is just my style of writing.
I have taken fast acting insulin for several years, experience counts. How long has
the writer of that article been taking fast acting insulin? I also said in the response above that I had made that kind of oversight myself. That shows I don't think I am always right. Do your feel inferior to me that your make these snide comments to me repeatedly. There is no need for you to feel inferior, you are very intelligent. Put on your adult, it goes better with your intelligence..
Insulin is not made from pig insulin. The insulin currently on the market (manufactured by Novo and Eli Lilly) is recombinant DNA human insulin. It is identical to the insulin that Type 2 and non-diabetic people synthesize in the beta cells of the Islets of Langerhans in their pancreas. When insulin was discovered in the 1920's by Banting and Best, they used insulin isolated from dog pancreas to confirm their theory that "insulin" would reduce blood sugar in a dog (Marjorie was the dog whose pancreas was ligated and tested the first isolated insulin). Once the theory was proved, it was realized that a source greater than dogs would be required for clinical studies, so cattle pancreas were used to provide the insulin (i.e., bovine insulin). Later, pig pancreas were used (if I remember correctly, it was due to immune reactions to the bovine insulin) to manufacture porcine insulin. While both species of insulin worked in humans, the amino acid sequence differs between human, bovine, and porcine. In 1982, Eli Lilly and Company received approval from the FDA to market recombinant DNA human insulin which is synthesized by E. coli fermentation, purified, and formulated as the trade name Humulin. The rapid acting insulin has two amino acids in the B-chain (a lysine and a proline) switched, which results in a change in the Cmax (time for the maximum concentration of insulin to be reached) to be faster. The product is Humalog and it was approved in 1996. So, no, they are NOT made from pig insulin.
NOT what was intentioned…insulin is sometimes necessary…but should NOT be the first line of defense in place of a healthy diet…which was the message I was trying to convey..and I agree this converstion…maybe a bit much…but sometimes certain things are necessary to counteract the nonsense that facilitates it…some things can not be left to stand alone… It is extrememly irresponsible to lead diabetics to believe that if they could just improve their circulation that they would be preventing all diabetes complications…improving ones circulation is a good thing but as far as it preventing all diabetes complications…certain people…ummm think the entire world revolves round them and that the beginning and end of all diabetic fact is what they have experienced in their life or their limited understanding of what they are reading …If YOU are eating a healthy diet and taking insulin because you need to..nothing that anyone ever says here should make you feel like you are doing something wrong…now if you are chowing down on a big mac and fries..washing it down with a pepsi and slice of cake and covering it with insulin…maybe it is time to reevaluate…wink wink..
I am not leading diabetics to do anything. Just telling my experiences and conclusions about my experience based on my own study.
Could I be wrong? Of course I could be wrong. Do you want information you read limited by someone else because you may not understand it or take it wrong? I really doubt that would make you happy. Absolutely no harm can come to anyone by doing what are well known
tactics for improving circulation and blood pressure which is weight loss, exercise and activity and cutting carbs and avoiding trans fats.
On the other hand in our discussion about emotional support, you suggested that maybe the only thing a diabetic can handle is cut out
sweets because of their emotional state. That is dangerous. I insisted they needed the truth about food in black and white. The reader
of what ever is written has a responsibility to question anything they don't understand. For you or I to hide information because we have
taken it upon ourselves to judge what others can handle is exercising control that was not given to us. That is what the American Diabetic Association is doing to us, in my estimation. They are the "experts". I am just a diabetic with a mind of my own.
Oh sweety…I don't misunderstand ANYTHING you post here…and if you are going to claim that you are just posting your "experiences"…then please lead of with "it has been MY experience that for ME"…because that is NOT what you are doing…you can apply a little lotion to a dry patch…but the dry patch is still there underneath…
way too many newly diagnosed diabetics here…some of them children in their teens that have just been knocked in the face with a life long illness…they need comforting words, experiences and facts..yes it makes me nervous
You are first class mamma type. That is meant as a compliment. I have tendency toward being a caretaker myself. I have learned that caretaking can turn into dependency for some. It is a fine line to walk. Sometimes I don't get it right.
I ask myself, which is the lesser of two evils, catering to emotion or to truth. Emotions are temporary, they can be gotten over.
Truth stands the test of time and where everyone must end up.
Rosalie ,
This site is meant to encourage and be supportive. Why do you continue to make discussions that you know are going to flair tempers and opinions.? This discussion is just dumb. The answers everyone gave made more sense than you. Please do me a favor and tell those who have lost legs, feet, toes that it was due to poor circulation. Not all persons who loose limbs are diabetics but the majority are. I know 6 persons here where I live that have one leg to no legs. So
I took this to them. The all 6 are diabetics and said they lost their limbs to complications due to diabetes. Dx. as such and in their medical records as such. Noncompliance…I'm not sure what your reading or studying but their very much out dated and wrong. Use your smart brain for more updated material. This is 2015 not the 1960's. By the way my A1C is 5.2 with no medication. My
Endocrinologist is thrilled. I did it without medication. VL
I forgot to add I'm 5.2 with no complications. Mind you, I got here by myself…no drugs to help me along. Just by diet. VL
Valentine Lady,
How did you do it? That is valuable information.
I got to 6.0 and was taken off of medication. I have gotten to 5.2 with food control. A low carbohydrate, high protein diet …I go from 5.1 to 5.2 consistly. I never go above as long as I stick to my food plan. I DO NOT LIVE ON SALADS. I eat salads and 4 to 6 oz.'s of
protein per meal. Accept for breakfast, I have 2 eggs and bacon. Of course vegetables with 2 meals and fruit for breakfast. I eat 3 small snack a day, between meals. Although quite often I skip the morning snack. It can be done…
Hi Valentine,
It can be done! You have proven that. I pretty much eat the way you do, but I am older. If I eat any less I will be malnourished. I could take more insulin and maybe one day I will have to do that.
but for now, I have no problems so I go with what has worked so far. I am concerned about gaining weight with more insulin.
You need to understand something Valentine lady…If it is not within her realm of experiences…or in a book she read from 50 years ago…it just can not be right…I am only taking 500 mg of metformin..thats it…I think we all know how much THAT dose helps with blood sugar…yet well here I am in the 5's…and WILL stay there after coming off my meds..even if I inch up a bit…I will make darn sure I stay in the 5s…
I read current books too. I even use the computer and have a cell phone too. It is just that I have studied this stuff so long
and have so much experience that I have gathered a lot of information.
You will be that way too when you are 30 years older than you are now. You will learn a lot in 30 years.
Maybe I just need to turn my "adult on"…how condescending…I am offended for the person you said that to AGAIN and don't understand how you can be so unrefined when speaking to people…and age does not always equate to wisdom…or common sense..
Jib Jab,
Please understand, I'm trying to be nice and follow the terms of use. That does not come easy for me, at AT ALL…I think you and I have done remarkably well on our choice of eating plans. Everyone knows it's Atkins. You being in the 5's as well as me is wonderful. 500.mg. of metformin is nothing. Be as proud of yourself as I am of me. Besides you were offered to go off meds and you chose to wait another 3 months. ( from another discussion) I know a knot head when I see one. It's not you…VL
I think you make a whole lot of assumptions based on your anecdotal, personal experience … that's not science. The predominance of scientific evidence is that complications from diabetes are due to advanced glycation end-products … by definition a result of high blood glucose levels.
You claim that "Lowering blood sugar to the ideal range, doesn't prevent complications of poor circulation" yet your blood glucose levels are far from ideal, so what is your claim based upon? A desire for that to be true? Again … not science.
I like science, but science changes over time. If it didn't we would still be beating on drums to communicate instead of using cell phones. At times science comes along and explains things that have already been learned outside of science. Learnado De vinci was light years ahead
of the scientific community. Everybody can think scientist and discover things if they learn to think like Learnado. Remember "Question everything"
that is what he did. I am just questioning the Status quo and telling you about my experience. You can question what I say, but minding your circulation can only be good. No harm can come from it.
Science does not change, our understanding of the world around us changes.
You go dude…
Hi Steve,
That is what they say. I am aware of that. I know many diabetics whose blood sugar is in the 5 range with drugs. They have lots of complications.
How is that explained? I suspect the drugs allow diabetics to eat a lot of carbs and still keep blood sugar in the 5 range. I read that some science says that even though blood sugar is down with drugs, the excess carbohydrate go into the cells where the drugs cannot reach and do their dirty deed of nerve damage there, out of reach of blood lowering drugs.
So having an A1c of 7 without drugs, means the glucose level is kept at an average of 154. That is both in the blood and cells. Perhaps 154 isn't the level at which damage occurs. When you take drugs, it is difficult to tell
how the drugs are affecting foods eaten. Been there done that. Insulin makes it much easier to see the relationship between the Insulin and foods.
At least that is my experience.
"I know many diabetics whose blood sugar is in the 5 range with drugs. They have lots of complications.
How is that explained? I suspect the drugs allow diabetics to eat a lot of carbs and still keep blood sugar in the 5 range."
My A1c is 5.8, I take 500 mg of metformin 2x daily. I have limited total carbs to less than 100 per day for the past 7 years (under 50 for the past year, at least) yet I have suffered numerous complications
How is that explained?
(my guess is genetics play a major role)
Hi Steve,
I have a brother 5 or 6 years younger than I am. He has diabetes and has had several heart attack. He doesn't live close so I don't know how he manages his diabetes. If we continue to compare notes, we make a discovery that we can put our finger on.
Blood sugar is one symptom of diabetes…the reason why some people have low A1Cs and still suffer complications is because the doctors are only treating blood glucose levels with the belief that all you need to do is keep your blood glucose levels down to avoid complications…They are NOT treating the cause of the high blood glucose readings…That is kind of like going to the doctor with a fever from an infection on your hand and having the doctor give you some Tylenol but nothing for the infection. ..You still have progressive diabetes and all of the complications…it is just that large amounts of drugs mask the one symptom that everyone seems to be fixated on…but again it is just a mask…because the insulin resistance that caused the high glucose levels in still there..and many times is being made worse by the drugs…the doctors answer to this of course is take more drugs.. which is why I just shake my head when people tell me their A1Cs are 6.5…or 7…they are taking drugs/shooting insulin and they CAN eat grains and dessert with no problems…the insulin resistance causes the complications…NOT the symptom of the insulin resistance which is high blood glucose levels..High glucose readings are NOT the only affect of insulin resistance…many of the bodies functions are in turn thrown off balance…only treat blood glucose all of the other symptoms can and will still probably come back and bite you in the proverbial ass…God I hope this makes sense… The Good news , at least for us is the following…Keto diets improve insulin resistance…now in a person who has not yet developed diabetes..but is beginning to develop insulin resistance a keto diet can FIX the problem in about 10 mos to a year..provided they don't go back to eating a very high carb diet of pizzas and snack cakes again because that will eventually take them right back into insulin resistance…A diabetic especially a person who has been diabetic for a long period of time needs much more time on a keto diet to show significant improvement In insulin resistance…maybe years..but it DOES treat the insulin resistance…so going back to the man with the infected hand…you are treating the symptom of diabetes by lowering blood sugar..but you are also treating the cause…somebody gave the man with the infection some antibiotic…
That is exactly what I was saying in many smaller and more diverse posts. Thanks for putting it all in one place like that. It is so valuable.
I will just make one addition. the symptoms of insulin resistance are the symptoms of metabolic syndrome. They
are Poor circulation, high blood pressure and poor cholesterol ratio, all caused by obesity. Which results in insulin resistant
in the form of pre diabetes which leads to
full blown diabetes and in many cases pancreatic damage. The Keto diet is the answer at least until the other things get straightened out.
To me, it's more like which came first, the chicken or the egg?
If high blood sugar causes poor circulation as you say, then even if it's the poor circulation that is causing the complication, poor glucose control is causing the poor circulation. You cannot separate the two. Like we don't go blind because of diabetes but poor control damages our capillaries in our eyes that causes us to loose our sight.
Diabetes is not what we die from except in extreme cases. Diabetes is a contributing factor to many other illnesses that strike us which we may or may not have other factors to calculate into that equation.
I always had great cholesterol and triglyceride levels but once I was diagnosed, those began to deteriorate. I have done a lot to fix that, but before diagnosis, I was great. Like I said, which came first?
Hi gabby,
That makes sense to me too. Here something to think about as well, If you do not have complications of poor circulation already, can you prevent them from occurring? I have had an A1c as high as 11 before I understood how to keep my blood sugar down. Now my A1c is 7 and has been for a long time. My experience has been that even with high blood sugar, doing the things to keep circulation, blood pressure and cholesterol ratio as close to normal as possible had a protective effect even with an A1c of 11 for a time. I suspect this goes against science as it is known to date. On the other hand, how many scientist have done this kind of experiment on themselves. What is there to lose If we attempt to maintain good circulation and cholesterol. Good blood pressure usually follows the other two. This would be in addition to working on blood sugar. Only good can come from working on two fronts at the same time. It may buy time to get the
blood sugar in line before complications set in. It seemed to have work for me and is still working. There is some science out there that says the clogging of the blood vessels can be reversed at least to some degree.
taking it even further…high blood glucose numbers is just a symptom of diabetes…just as high cholesterol and high blood pressure are…the root core of the problem is insulin sensitivity…if we treat the insulin sensitively…not just take drugs to help our insulin sensitivity…we treat the root cause of the problem…insulin sensitivity is caused by decades of over working our liver and pancreas. Refined carbs not healthy carbs are the villain here…but once your metabolism becomes impaired even regular unrefined "healthy" carbs are too much for the liver/pancreas to handle…it actually goes way deeper than this…down to a molecular health thingy…but I don't need to make people snore…pointing to just ONE symptom of diabetes as the root cause of all diabetics problems is irresponsible.. the human body is MUCH MUCH more complicated than that…and they're ARE foods that go to the heart of treating insulin sensitivity…many of which I eat on a regular basis…Most of the time when I research diabetes I do not search for ways to lower glucose levels…although those articles do pop up…I look for ways to naturally improve my insulin sensitivity…two foods might have the same amount of carbs..and affect your Blood glucose level in the same way…but which one if any will improve you Glucose sensitivity…??????…
You make some really good points. I don't know which foods effect insulin sensitivity. I have never heard of it.
Can you share that information please.
It is my understanding that insulin sensitivity simply goes away when normal weight is achieved. The pancreas may be damaged so not enough insulin is produced. I have that.
I think it is not a good idea to treat a damaged pancreas with
diabetes drugs. Insulin is what is missing when the pancreas is damaged, not drugs. In fact drugs didn't even work in my case I had to figure that out myself. Thanks for contributing to this conversation. If we put our experiences together perhaps we can make a discovery not yet known.
I agree. We are far more complicated. Actually having diabetes has really made me aware of just how incredible our bodies are. How they take care of every little detail and how it takes so little to get us out of balance. That is why the word control sometimes makes me laugh. We cannot control what our bodies were meant to do. We manage, but we are not in control.
It makes us all into research scientist of sorts…and the more I think I learn the less I actually find out I know because until you get down to a sub cellular level…you are not treating your body in an optimum fashion…I don't think I will ever understand everything…that is for people way smarter than I to do…but I never stop learning and never stop researching.
It does make us into research scientists of sorts, I couldn't agree more. The one experiment the scientists studying diabetes have not been able to do, is to get a group of diabetics to cooperate to make a significant discovery. However we can do that here. We are doing it for ourselves, not some scientist somewhere. If I were a legitimate scientist studying diabetes, I would be on this site and others like it, asking questions like crazy. I am aware of no scientists here asking what we are learning.
Some days my brain just hurts from thinking about this stuff. But yes, we keep at it to learn as much as we can. The hardest part is figuring out fact from fiction. There is often a blend of truth and exaggeration in most anything. That is what makes my brain scream
Oh Gabby…I swear if there was a way for people to make money from telling people to spin on their heads while counting backwards…THAT would be marketed as a cure for diabetes…a lot of fiction out there…hence the title of my post on baking soda…the sad part is so many people are desperate for a cure they spend more time researching for a miracle and not nearly enough time researching things that can actually help them…sad face
Hi Gabby,
I can relate to that, but that kind of analytical thinking protects your brain. It causes new connections. I have been studying that as well. At my age, I shouldn't even be able to write posts like this or even learn new things. That is the current scientific understanding. It doesn't have to be so. It is the under use of the brain that causes it to go down hill.
The science of that is just being revealed.
Hello Gabby:
BELIEF-trust is not always true or accurate reason for the result(s) which occur, diabetic or otherwise.
Listening will not always provide good information. Conclusions are conclusions, not necessarily correct ones -wg-
This is true, but sometimes when all else is failing, we need to look at what our bodies are telling us. Yes, our interpretation may be off, but discussion about what is going on should be just a valuable as a pill or shot. Sadly, doctors too often don't take time to listen to what we observe.
Let me just explain why I feel this way. My husband is paraplegic and has spasms. His body at times would just flare up in uncontrollable spasms. Doctors just filled him with drugs that made him sick, but not one would try to find out the trigger. After our observations over time we found that a UTI would be a trigger and if he started having spasms, we would check for a UTI. It was always there. It may be antidoctial and just for him, but once that is treated, the spasms stop. We told the doctors for a long time and no one would listen. Finally, we are at a point when his primary is on board. It only took us 6 years to work that out.
Doctors are not god and pills are not magic. Our bodies are wonders of nature and we ignore them far too often.
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Safety, Tolerability, and Efficacy Study of rAvPAL-PEG Administered Daily in Subjects With Phenylketonuria (PKU)
|The safety and scientific validity of this study is the responsibility of the study sponsor and investigators. Listing a study does not mean it has been evaluated by the U.S. Federal Government. Read our disclaimer for details.
|ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier: NCT01212744
Recruitment Status : Completed
First Posted : October 1, 2010
Last Update Posted : August 21, 2017
- Study Details
- Tabular View
- Results Submitted
- Disclaimer
- How to Read a Study Record
|Condition or disease
|Drug: rAvPAL-PEG
|Phase 2
|Study Type :
|Interventional (Clinical Trial)
|Actual Enrollment :
|16 participants
|Intervention Model:
|Single Group Assignment
|None (Open Label)
|Primary Purpose:
|Official Title:
|A Phase 2, Open-Label Study to Evaluate the Safety, Tolerability, and Efficacy of Subcutaneous Dose Levels of rAvPAL-PEG Administered Daily in Subjects With Phenylketonuria
|Study Start Date :
|March 2011
|Actual Primary Completion Date :
|April 2015
|Actual Study Completion Date :
|April 2015
Experimental: rAvPAL-PEG
rAvPAL-PEG in varying doses
Drug: rAvPAL-PEG
0.06 mg/kg/day, 0.1 mg/kg/day, 0.2 mg/kg/day, 0.4 mg/kg/day, 0.6 mg/kg/day, 0.8 mg/kg/day
Other Name: Recombinant Anabaena variabilis phenylalanine ammonia lyase
- Efficacy [ Time Frame: Weekly ]Plasma Phe
- Safety [ Time Frame: Weekly ]Safety will be evaluated on the incidence of AEs and clinically significant changes in vital signs as well as clinical labs and ECG.
- Immunogenicity [ Time Frame: Weekly ]The presence of antibodies (anti-rAvPAL immunoglobulin G [IgG], anti-rAvPAL IgE, anti-rAvPAL IgM, anti-PEG IgG, anti-rAvPAL-PEG IgE, anti-PEG IgM, anti-rAvPAL-PEG neutralizing antibodies,and anti-rAvPAL-PEG clearing antibodies if necessary [rAvPAL-PEG-antibody complexes]) will be assessed.
- Pharmacokinetics [ Time Frame: Weekly ]Plasma concentrations of rAvPAL-PEG will be measured.
Choosing to participate in a study is an important personal decision. Talk with your doctor and family members or friends about deciding to join a study. To learn more about this study, you or your doctor may contact the study research staff using the contacts provided below. For general information, Learn About Clinical Studies.
|Ages Eligible for Study:
|16 Years to 70 Years (Child, Adult, Older Adult)
|Sexes Eligible for Study:
|Accepts Healthy Volunteers:
Inclusion Criteria:
- Diagnosis of PKU with both of the following: current blood Phe concentration of ≥ 600 micromol/L at screening and average blood Phe concentration of ≥ 600 micromol/L over the past 3 years, using available data
- Evidence that the subject is a non-responder to Kuvan® treatment (ie, 4 weeks of treatment with 20 mg/kg/day of Kuvan, insufficient response per investigator determination, and treatment end date ≥ 14 days prior to Day 1 [ie, first dose]). Subjects who have had a previous response to Kuvan® treatment but are not currently taking Kuvan® because of noncompliance and have been off treatment for ≥ 4 months prior to screening are eligible for participation.
- Willing and able to provide written, signed informed consent, or, in the case of participants under the age of 18, provide written assent (if required) and written informed consent by a legally authorized representative, after the nature of the study has been explained, and prior to any research-related procedures.
- Willing and able to comply with all study procedures.
- Between the ages of 16 and 70 years, inclusive.
- Negative pregnancy test at screening and willing to have additional pregnancy tests performed during the study for females of childbearing potential only. Females considered not of childbearing potential are those who have been in menopause for at least 2 years or have had a tubal ligation at least 1 year prior to screening, or who have had a total hysterectomy.
- Willing to use an acceptable method of contraception while participating in the study (sexually active subjects only).
- Maintained a stable diet with no significant modifications during the 4 weeks preceding the administration of study drug.
- In generally good health as evidenced by physical examination, clinical laboratory evaluations (hematology, chemistry, and urinalysis), and ECG at screening.
Exclusion Criteria:
- Prior use of rAvPAL-PEG.
- Use of any investigational product or investigational medical device within 30 days prior to screening, or requirement for any investigational agent prior to completion of all scheduled study assessments.
- Use of any medication that is intended to treat PKU within 14 days prior to the administration of study drug.
- Use or planned use of any injectable drugs containing PEG (other than rAvPAL-PEG), including Depo-Provera, within 3 months prior to screening and during study participation.
- Known hypersensitivity to rAvPAL-PEG excipients.
- Breastfeeding at screening or planning to become pregnant (self or partner) or to breastfeed at any time during the study.
- Concurrent disease or condition that would interfere with study participation or safety (eg, history or presence of clinically significant cardiovascular, pulmonary, hepatic, renal, hematologic, gastrointestinal, endocrine, immunologic, dermatologic, neurological, oncologic, or psychiatric disease).
- Any condition that, in the view of the investigator, places the subject at high risk of poor treatment compliance or of not completing the study.
- Alanine aminotransferase (ALT) concentration > 2 times the upper limit of normal.
- Creatinine > 1.5 times the upper limit of normal.
To learn more about this study, you or your doctor may contact the study research staff using the contact information provided by the sponsor.
Please refer to this study by its ClinicalTrials.gov identifier (NCT number): NCT01212744
|United States, Colorado
|The Children's Hospital
|Aurora, Colorado, United States, 80045
|United States, Florida
|University of Florida
|Gainesville, Florida, United States, 32610
|United States, Kentucky
|Weisskopf Child Evaluation Center / University of Louisville
|Louisville, Kentucky, United States, 40202
|United States, Missouri
|University of Missouri
|Columbia, Missouri, United States, 65212
|Washington University Center for Applied Research Sciences
|Saint Louis, Missouri, United States, 63110
|United States, New York
|Albany Medical Center
|Albany, New York, United States, 12208
|United States, Ohio
|Nationwide Children's Hospital
|Columbus, Ohio, United States, 43205
|United States, Pennsylvania
|University of Pittsburgh Medical Center
|Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States, 15213
|United States, Wisconsin
|University of Wisconsin-Madison
|Madison, Wisconsin, United States, 53705
|Study Director:
|Celeste Decker, MD
|BioMarin Pharmaceutical
|Responsible Party:
|BioMarin Pharmaceutical
|ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier:
|NCT01212744 History of Changes
|Other Study ID Numbers:
|First Posted:
|October 1, 2010 Key Record Dates
|Last Update Posted:
|August 21, 2017
|Last Verified:
|August 2017
|Individual Participant Data (IPD) Sharing Statement:
|Plan to Share IPD:
Keywords provided by BioMarin Pharmaceutical:
PEG PAL; PKU; injection;
Additional relevant MeSH terms:
Brain Diseases, Metabolic, Inborn
Brain Diseases, Metabolic
Brain Diseases
Central Nervous System Diseases
Nervous System Diseases
Amino Acid Metabolism, Inborn Errors
Metabolism, Inborn Errors
Genetic Diseases, Inborn
Metabolic Diseases


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Went to gnc n bought some lean shakes 7 any takes on these?
I used Body by Vi to lose 22 pounds in 90 days. I just found out that because the protein is so absorbable, you can add it to other protein and it will increase the absorbency protein to your muscles, perfect for my current challenge goal of gaining 10 lbs of muscle! BOOM!
Wilk have to try that one especially doing tapout


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Report a Sighting
Sightings Archive - Jun 05
June 2005 Whale Sightings
June 30, 2005
My husband and I spotted
activity while crossing the Hood Canal bridge (east to west) to day. At about
3:50 pm
I looked toward the south while on the bridge and saw several splashes and black fins. There was another person watching and said he had seen five orca, including a small one. We watched this small group for at least 45 minutes. They were ranging north and south and appeared to be hunting. They spent several long periods underwater. A couple times one of the larger animals jumped almost completely out (horizontally). One appeared to be much smaller and there did not appear to be any bulls with the group. At least three of them had dorsals about the same size (medium). They ranged back and forth over the same area while we watched and appeared to be no more than halfway between the county park and Lofall on the east side.
Karen and Tony DeLorenzo
June 29, 2005
whale about 28-32 feet long feeding in a cove 1/3 down the East side of Lopez in inlet. Would surface about 4-6 times in 10-20 second intervals and then submerge for five to seven minutes.
J1 and J2
transiting about 1 mile N of Patos head SE. Rest of the J pod spread out about 3-4 miles.
Brett Thomsen, PS Express
Port Townsend
Elaine Wiley called to report the Hood Canal
just south of Ayok Pt, heading north at
11:17 am
, very active, spyhopping, splashing.
Did anyone else hear (or see) a
large aquatic mammal
this morning in Saratoga Passage, between Camano Island and East Point on Whidbey Island? At approx.
8:30 am
David Day,
Whidbey Island
June 28, 2005
We caught the
whale still feeding just south of Lopez Pass around
. Then we saw
L Pod
on the south end of Hein Bank just milling around. At
we spotted the
that was hanging out, presumably feeding at the north end of Hein Bank. It was taking very long dives, but we did see it do a cartwheel. Then on the way home we spotted a
on McArthur Bank at
Ellen Fortado
Island Adventures Naturalist
Hood Canal
headed north on west side of the canal. We live just south of Ayock at MP 323.
Elaine M. Wiley
Gypsy Cove
, two
and one
on Hein Bank. I did't see the Humpbacks but the captain and one visitor saw one spy hop and it was a pretty good id. Transiting several harbor porpoises.
Brett Thomsen PS express rookie naturalist.
J's & L12's
were spotted several miles offshore of San Juan Island. Whales were spread out over several miles, with small groups here and there. J26 Mike did a wonderful tailslap display by doing almost a dozen in a row! Shortly after that we saw another whale pop up from under him, so we weren't sure what was going on there. Here's the latest from The RUMOR MILL: We heard from a boat, who heard from a boat that heard from another boat (you get the idea) that there is yet ANOTHER L-POD baby!
John Boyd (JB)
Marine Naturalist
June 27, 2005
At about
5.15 pm
were moving slowly towards (Maple Beach). No focused direction, no real traveling, no chasing.. with one adult female lying consistently on top of the water which was like glass... she appeared to be in a rest mode several times throughout our watch! When the older juvenile joined up first, the youngsters were rolling all over each other with Mom doing an occasional deep dive with fully arched back and coming up in the same place... like as in resting. The "kids" however were making splashes with dragging their flukes sideways across the water, some actual tail slaps. It was so peaceful their blows could be seen and heard but when the other three-some from further north came to join up we actually heard one of the younger ones' high-toned vocalizations which sounded like excitement. They continually rolled, porpoised, tail slapped a great deal, breached (backwards, sideways, etc.) and there were a lot of laying upside down with pec fins in the air and holding it for a long time it seemed. They usually were visible with part of 5 or 6 of them out of the water for periods of 15 + mins and longer. They eventually went out of sight southward, then picked them up heading into the Duckabush delta about 7.45 pm but they came back almost immediately round Quatsap Pt. doing lots of huge splashes from breaching, spy-hopping and tail slaps.
Judy Dicksion,
J pod
traveling in resting mode off Lummi Island this evening (
Penny Stone
Lummi Island
June 26, 2005
Hood Canal Transients
headed north on the west side of the canal.
Elaine M. Wiley
Gypsy Cove
The slippery six (Hood Canal
) were sighted in front of Holly at about
8:50 pm
. They were quite active. I had about 25 seals close to the bank also aware that the "6" were in the area.
Mina Kyle
J's & K's
near False Bay, heading out towards Hein Bank. Once out there they milled about for awhile before deciding to head back into shore. Once at False Bay, they got very active for a brief time, then back to the slow milling towards Eagle Cove. Keeping to tradition of the West Side Shuffle, they changed direction several more times as they slowly milled North towards Lime Kiln. K-7 Lummi showing a couple of young'uns how to fish. Back and forth in bursts of speed within 20 yards of the Soundwatch boat! As the whales passed Lime Kiln near shore, they put on quite a show of breaches and other percussive behaviors for those waiting on shore. Then it was onwards towards Kellett Bluff.
John Boyd (JB)
Chilly Soundwatch Volunteer
HJ Carroll (WSPR) Marine Park, Dabob Bay, Hood Canal,
noon to one
in the afternoon, halfway between Pulali and Whitney Point, the six transients. The whales spent about forty-five minutes within in a small area of about 200 feet, moving in close formation. They travel a hundred feet south, then north, sometimes side by side, and sometimes closely passing each other. The babies appear to stay very closely beside the mothers. At least two spyhops from one of the large (fe)males, and much tail-slapping. Appears to be a "kill" given small debris and attention of gulls. Group then moves slowly south towards mouth of Dabob Bay near Pulali Point. A larger transient group appeared in this spot frequently during the eight-week 2003 transient incursion to Hood Canal.
Kirie Pedersen, MA
Write, Research, Edit, Teach
Slippery Six
(some or all?) spent an hour out in front of my home on Hood Canal (milepost 333 on Hwy 101, Potlatch) VERY early this morning. At about
3 am
there they were. I could not catch a glimspe of them.
Linda Sheldon
June 25, 2005
Number of animals seen
- 2 (
). 1 one was a baby 18 -23 feet long & the other was big, so i am guessing it was the mom
Where did you see them?
there is a marker out front of La Push (the farthest one out) & there is Destruction Island, I was heading to Destruction on a 155 degree heading going about 13-14 knots avg, about a half hour past the La Push marker, the Orcas were heading northish on the EXACT opposite heading of mine, just tooling right along
What direction were they traveling?
335 degrees from destruction towards la push
When did you see them?
after noon and before 1300 hrs
What were they doing?
just getting right along, like they had somewhere to get, just porpoising, & they were fast, on the exact opposite headin of mine, their speed & time between coming up to the top & going back down never changed, nor did their heading, for the 3- 5 minutes i watched them come at me, & then I turned my head to look back & they were gone
Were there any males (very large fin on their back)?
- i don't think so, there was a "little" one about 40 to 50 feet off to her right and just slightly behind her nose as they moving along
Any unusual markings?
couldn't tell, i saw the black & white on both of them, but, they moving right along, just popping up blowing & going, Scars? - no time to tell
Have you seen whales in this area before?
no, and the guy i was on the boat said they weren't usually in the is area, that's why i'm reporting it
Did you get photos that may identify individuals?
no time.
J's & K's
passing through Cattle Pass on towards American Camp. The whales seemed to be in absolutely no hurry as they gave us what is in my top 2 passes of the year---lots of what appeared to be play activity (or perhaps it was mating activity?), lots of rolling around on top of each other, tail slapping and tail lobbing. A nice breach by Cappucino, followed by breaches by other whales all around. J26 (Mike) spent a lot of time on his back with his pectoral fins sticking straight up! At first, there were sporadic vocalizations, then as the got closer to the boat they started vocalizing like crazy! Towards the end of this pass (it took nearly 20 minutes for them to go by they were so slow), a nice spyhop from we think it was J27 (Blackberry). Several times we also observed what appeared to be feeding activity with quick lunges (although we didn't see them eat any fish).
John Boyd (JB)
Marine Naturalist, San Juan Excursions
We saw a lone
at about
just south of Lopez Pass on the east side of Lopez. Looked like the same one reported there on the 22nd. Only in about 7 fathoms, appeared to be feeding.
John and Laurie Davidson
F/V Haley's Comet
J pod
off Lopez and
in Haro.
Peter Hamilton
Lifeforce Foundation
11:45 AM - K pod
off south end of Lopez and
J Pod
off Eagle Point.
Capt. Jim Maya, Maya's Charters
San Juan Island
June 24, 2005
were in Bellingham Channel heading south while
were in Haro. We also had an unknown group of orcas off Point Roberts at 9:15 PM.
Peter Hamilton
Lifeforce Foundation
We left
K Pod
headed down San Juan Is. past False Bay, at
hrs, in heavy seas.
Capt. Jim Maya, Maya's Charters
San Juan Island
Very lumpy seas, but
off False Bay. Cappucino (K21) breaching about 300 yards off to the side of our boat!
John Boyd (JB)
Marine Naturalist, San Juan Excursions
Spent some time with
K pod
around Eagle Pt. around
. They were milling around quite slowly, quietly, changing direction often. About half of K pod went down for a deep dive about 200 yards away from the boat moving south, then surfaced within 50 feet, swimming right up to our boat; literally inches away. They circled underneath for a minute or so, surfacing often, before heading back the way they had come.
Naturalist, Olympas
PS Express, Port Townsend
The HC
were heading north just off Ayok Point about
Jeni Gray
Elaine Wiley called to report the Hood Canal
near Ayok Pt, heading south on the west side of the canal at
9:40 am
June 23, 2005
I was going to Dosewallips State Park for a beach walk this morning and about
as I was driving just south of Hoodsport on 101 (headed north), I could see a number of wakes and all a sudden a "woosh" and a dorsal fin about 100-200 yards offshore! (Hood Canal
pod). They were slowly headed southward.
Alan D. Rammer,
Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife
Tom Perry of Olympia reported seeing the Hood Canal
9:12 am
just north of Hoodsport, headed south ~150 yards off Hwy 101.
June 22, 2005
10 am
we observed a pod of
heading past False Bay headed south. These were later ID'd by the Center for Whale Research as the L12's, with K21 & K40.
Orca Network
L pod
on their way to Victoria in the
trip and then on the
trip we caught up with them again nearing Race Rocks and booking for the Pacific. The morning trip was also a treat as we had a
whale near Hein, Dalls and the day started with a nice visit from a very friendly
whale around Shoal Bight (sp?) off of Lopez.
Vicki Kirkland
Island Adventures, Anacortes
Elaine Wiley of Ayok Pt. reported the Hood Canal
mid-channel at Ayok Pt at
8:20 pm
, headed north in a tight pod.
Paul Shaumberg of Great Bend Charters in Union reported seeing 2 of the adult female Hood Canal
3 pm
off Potlatch, on the Kitsap side, while two of the calves were off by themselves further south, near a lone seal......maybe learning to hunt on their own? The HC Transients had also been seen at
10 am
at Hamma Hamma heading south.
June 21, 2005
9 am
we observed a pod of orcas (
K pod
) heading south past False Bay. From 9:30 - 10 am we watched the pod from American Camp - they turned & were headed north. At 12:30 pm they again passed False Bay heading north. From
4 - 6 pm
we were out with Tom McMillen with
K pod
between Lime Kiln & Hannah Heights, west side of San Juan Island. At around 5:15 pm, about a mile off Hannah Heights, 19-year-old male K21 (Cappucino) came toward us and breached twice within a hundred yards. He's nearly fully sprouted now and is a very big boy. Soon he came up from behind us to about 30 feet away. At that point, his sister and only sibling, K40 (Raggedy) just over 40 years old, suddenly turned and bee-lined directly at K21's head, as if they were going to butt heads. The water frothed and it was impossible to see what happened, but immediately K40 turned around and streaked away from K21 with a large salmon between her teeth. It's only speculation to assume that K21 gave K40 the fish. Their mother, K18 (Kiska) died about a year and a half ago.
Susan and Howard
Orca Network
What I think was
K pod
going south off the west side (San Juan Island) at
7 am
. Caught them again going south off the west side in the middle of a storm and rough seas at about
5 pm
. Many breaches, tail lobs, cartwheels and porpoising leaps. At around
6 pm
as the water was calming, I was watching who I think was K21 Cappucino and K40 Raggedy forage with a mom and calf about 1/2 mile off the Pile Point/Hannah Heights area. Suddenly a huge
whale did 7 full breaches within several hundred yards of the orcas. Each time it went straight up with its full body out of the water, turned, and then slammed down. It was definitely a minke, since I could see the white stripes on its pecs, the white belly, and even the throat pleats. I did not notice any change in the orcas' behavior--even the calf kept leaping and porpoising without any noticeable change. When the minke was done breaching it swam rapidly towards K21. The last I saw it, it dove within what, from my perspective, looked like about 50 yards from K21. I saw K21 again, but was not able to see the minke. As I was leaving, I saw several other orcas change direction and head towards the area where K21 was foraging.
Sharon Grace
San Juan Island
Watched the Hood Canal
mosey around Maple Beach at a slow pace heading north today. They were milling around a bit but for the most part were underwater for long periods of time. I spotted them around
south of Scenic Beach Park in mid channel heading north. Lost sight of them heading around oak head towards Bangor around 5:15pm.
Kathy Cole
Maple Beach, Seabeck
J pod
at west side Lummi Island VERY spread out (again) at
2:30 p.m
, breaching, cartwheels, and tail lobbing.
Penny Stone
Great Orca Adventures (& Lummi Island)
Evan Brown of Timberline CA called in a report of 5
, 5 adults & 1 small juvenile, at Shelter Cove,
CA, 2:30 or 3 pm
June 21.
12:30 PM - K Pod
is near Eagle Point.
Capt. Jim Maya, Maya's Charters
San Juan Island
Elaine Wiley of Ayok Pt. called in reports of the Hood Canal
8:04 am
, on the far east side of the canal, just south of Ayok Pt, moving slowly, headed north. At 11 am she had them headed south, just south of Ayok Pt.
June 20, 2005
9:15 pm
we heard then saw a pod of orcas (later ID'd as
K pod
) heading south past False Bay.
June 19, 2005
There is a
Whale or two over by Lopez Pass feeding on the bottom there all day.
Island Adventures, Inc.
As we headed towards Cattle Pass, we encountered
K Pod & L-Pod
together! The leaders were a good two miles in front of the trailers, with whales spread across several miles from side to side as well. Good to see L-57 Faith. And we spotted a few of the new calves as well. As the whales approached Lime Kiln, they veered off from shore and most of the L's stayed down south while the K's continued North. They were in 2-3 tight groups until they passed the Turn Point Lighthouse. There they got into two tight groups and milled in Boundary Pass for awhile. Then they decided to head back down to Lime Kiln.
John Boyd (JB)
Soundwatch Volunteer
Kathy Cole had some hard core evidence that the
had not left and Josh & Co spent a good few hours with them in late afternoon and early evening. Kathy had been with the Six south of Triton Head for about 30 mins prior to
where they were last seen traveling north. Josh picked them up east of Hazel Point nearer the Kitsap Penin south of Bangor Base as far as Thorndyke Bay on the west side where they had to leave the transients just starting dinner... they were killing a seal.... at about
7.10 pm
Judy Dicksion,
June 18, 2005
We caught up with a very spread-out
near Moat Point, and they were fairly active with tail slaps, tail lobs, and breaches. We saw J-27 Blackberry off by himself, and just as we were leaving, it appeared that J-1 Ruffles may have been fishing as he changed direction several times quite quickly.
John Boyd (JB)
Marine Naturalist, San Juan Excursions
June 17, 2005
Hood Canal
Transients @ 7:15 PM
, very close on the west side (could hear them breathing), just off Duryea Point, just north of Dewato Bay. They then moved slightly northeast, breeched a couple of times due west of Liliwaup, then circled and tossed a seal, and another unidentified animal. Everything happened within 20 minutes. They headed north toward Ayock Point.
M. Little & E. White
We are sitting on the deck at
4:53 pm
at Holiday Beach (Hood Canal) and the orcas (Hood Canal
) are putting on a show. Head stands, tail stands, etc. Must have made a kill. Anyway, they are headed north and while we only see four at a time.
Richard and Lynne Bailey
J and K Pods
near Henry Island. Transients have been in the area as of late.
Capt. Jim Maya, Maya's Charters
San Juan Island
June 16, 2005
Elaine Wiley reported the Hood Canal
south of Ayok Pt. heading north at
6:30 am
June 15, 2005
sighted at
between Piers Island and Portland Island off Swartz Bay (near Syndey, BC). They were traveling slowly to the northeast of Portland Island. One large male and six females or juveniles.
Simon Pidcock
Ocean Ecoventures
in San Juan Channel, passing by Speiden Island towards Sentinel. They headed on over to Stuart & the Turn Point Lighthouse and then onwards up Boundary Pass. Down the West side of San Juan Island where the
K's & L's
were doing their thing. As we headed down, the whales decided to get their aerobic exercises in and started porpoising at about 10 knots towards Port Angeles. A rumor of J-Pod near Sooke headed inbound may explain their speed swim. Then a report of abundant minke whales at Salmon Bank had us heading south. We only saw one very large
John Boyd (JB)
Dry(!) Soundwatch Assistant
The Hood Canal
came out of Quilcene Bay and put on quite a show this morning just offshore the shellfish lab @
. Lots of breaching and flipper slapping before heading south around 1130.
Brian McLaughlin
Fisheries Biologist
Washington Dept. of Fish and Wildlife
early June
Capt. Mitch Keeler called in a report of 3
following his boat north of Baja in the Sea of Cortez at Cabo San Lucas, ~20 miles offshore. The whales (a male, female & juvenile) were following in the prop wash, so close their rostrums were nearly on the boat's swim step! They followed him at about 11 knots for 30 minutes.
June 14, 2005
I watched the
for about an hour. They were first spotted south of Pleasant Harbor at
in travel mode. They were heading north very close to the west side. The Orcas passed by the Dosewallips and kept going, trying to make headway against the current in very choppy water. Then the group stopped near Seal Rock to make a kill with seagulls picking up what was left. Lost sight of them heading north up into the mouth of Dabob Bay around 7ish.
Kathy Cole,
Maple Beach, Seabeck
Don and I were at Big Beef Creek (on the Kitsap side) and got to see a little of the
Slippery Six
heading north just south of Ayock Pt at
. The Six possibly made several kills just south of Seal Rock and north of the Dosewallips delta between about
6.20 to 7.00+ pm
. These actions seemed to be between the two kills.
Judy Dicksion,
Today we were coming over to Orcas Island on the
2:30 pm
ferry from Anacortes and we saw a pod of
coming down Bellingham Channel. There must have been 10-15 - we were not very close.
Deke DeKay
were heading north towards Lighthouse (
), but then turned back south and were kind of milling around Deadman's Bay.
John Boyd (JB)
Marine Naturalist
Elaine Wiley called in a report of the Hood Canal
1:45 pm
- they were south of Ayok Pt. at milepost 323, close to shore & heading north slowly.
I just spotted my first sighting this year out of Freshwater Bay, West of Port Angeles. Five
heading West at
6:10 Am
. There was 1 male with a very large dorsal fin, 3 females all about the same size and 1 smaller Orca in the group. I heard them flapping their tails on the water as they swam past.
Tina Lipman
June 13, 2005
off Victoria
most of the day
photos taken. All T's today off Victoria
reported, not seen by me. T18 and group, T20&21, radio in the morning indicated more. No ids reported.
Ron Bates
MMRG, Victoria BC
Crossing the strait from Port Townsend and entering Haro Strait 500' off Eagle Point,
. As they sailed past the boats, about 300' offshore, they were suddenly surrounded by 6-8
. This was at
. For the next 45 minutes they drifted staying basically in place between the current and opposing wind while the whales stayed very close to the boat, spyhopped, tail slapped and made "lazy" dives, staying under for up to 5 minutes.
s/v Spirit of Freedom
7:55 am
this morning at approx. mile post 322 (just off from the Eagle Creek Saloon) saw the slippery six (Hood Canal
) headed south and the closest I have ever seen them to the shore on the west side. At approx.
1:30 pm
they were just off from Holiday Beach headed north. Again close to the west bank but not as close as the morning.
Carol Fassett
Hood Canal
June 12, 2005
Hoodsport Winery, (
8:55 p.m.
). Just saw the
Orcas going North. One of them breaching in their swimming mode.
We left
J's and K's
headed south near Lime Kiln at
hrs this evening.
Capt. Jim Maya, Maya's Charters
San Juan Island
J Pod
was slowly headed west along San Juan around
at Pile Pt. We caught a
of the way home too near McArthur Bank around
Ellen Fortado
Island Adventures Naturalist
The HC
3:30 and 4:00
, in the far southeastern area of hood canal (approximately between Sunset Beach and Forest Beach). They were moving slowly, first northward but slowly turning and eventually heading south again, toward Union. Caught sight of them again headed south toward Union (at about 4:00). By that time they were moving quickly, silently, and in a much more obvious direction.
Minette Layne
Carol Fassett called to report the Hood Canal
10 am
, at Dewatto Bay heading south & moving fast.
Kyle Hesse called in a report of the Hood Canal
by Tahuya at the mouth of the Skokomish, heading east toward Belfair at
pm. They were 150 yards offshore & traveling fast.
The Center for Whale Research reported that
L pod
went back out west this
, &
J's & K's
were south of Colville Island, coming down Rosario Strait at about
2:15 pm
Joseph Alicea called to report watching
in the distance from Washington Park, SW of Anacortes, from
1 - 2:10 pm
. They were first heading SW, then turned & headed NW.
1:15 p.m.
I just sighted the
HC Orcas
between Potlatch State Park and the Point across the canal from the park. They were last seem mid-channel between Potlatch St. Park and Tahuya. It appears they made a kill here as they were doing there after kill play routine. Also there were several seagulls overhead. By the time I got around to Union they had switched from their feeding routine to their travel mood. They were staying under for up to fifteen minutes. I followed them to Twanoh St. Park. Here they went into their hunting activity from 2:30 to 3:05. They didn't kill anything as there were no seagulls or after kill play. Then they continued toward Belfair.
Harry Louch
Recvd these msgs on the Hood Canal
the Slippery Six: Hannah from Kayak Rental, Union, had a report of the "girls" on the W. Shore of the Kitsap Penin at Dewatto heading south towards Hoodsport at
10.45 am
. Later Hannah reported she could see the Six make a possible kill in Annas Bay (south of the Great Bend) about 12.50 pm, and then some possible "after kill" behavior of tail slaps and breaching etc. Cindy Sund, with her Hood Canal Charters boat on the water at 1:10 pm, watched the transients hunting in Annas Bay for about 15-20 min then slowly moving east towards Twanoh State Park, Hwy 106.
Judy Dicksion,
June 11, 2005
We received a call from someone at Ray's Grocery in Seiku, reporting 4 orcas, including 1 large (male), 2 smaller whales & a calf, heading west at 9:20 am Saturday.
We saw large numbers of
in the
, at least 20 orca from Cattle Point. They were there when we arrived around
and we observed them heading north. We watched them arrive and pass the Westside Preserve area starting about 3 pm. There appeared to be two "waves" with a large number in each group. Again they were fairly active with some spyhopping and showmanship. We caught up with them at the San Juan County Park where some circled the little offshore island. By this time it was probably 4 pm and we continued to observe them move north.
M.J. Mariano
L Pod
decided to come back and do an early morning "west side shuffle" while they waited for J's & K's to arrive. As we were going down Cattle Pass, another boat thought they saw a humpback in San Juan Channel, but after searching for about 20 minutes, none of the boats could find it---perhaps it was a big minke? Anyway, we had
J's & L's
at False Bay, lots of foraging, tail slaps, spy hops, and quite a few half-breaches and one full belly-flop breach.
John Boyd (JB)
Marine Naturalist, San Juan Excursions
we saw four of the Hood Canal
at the south side of the Hood Canal bridge. They were there for a short time and then turned around and went back south. They appeared to be in transit. There was no tail slaps or breeching, just movement to the bridge and then back south.
The Lowery's
(East bank 1/4 mile south of bridge)
milling close to shore with lots of surface activity just below the American Camp flagpole at
10:30 am
. Seemed to go in circles; out to Haro Strait and back for 1.5 hours broken up into subgroups of 5-12 animals.
Jamie Bails
Mosquito Fleet
June 10, 2005
Nancy at the Old Oyster Farm at Beacon Point said that the Slippery Six (HC
) gave a terrific "performance" right in their area around the
7.00 pm
. Nancy said they stayed quite a while and were very playful with breaches, tail slaps and spy-hops for about on hour before moving south.
Judy Dicksion,
We saw large numbers of
in the
, as many as 10-12 from our viewing site at the Westside Preserve overlooking Haro Strait. The group was traveling north and came into view about
7:00 pm
. They swam around in the area immediately in front of us doing lots of tail slapping and pectoral fin flapping, a couple of spyhops and one spectacular full breach over the course of about 30 minutes in the area. There were so many spread out over the vista that it was difficult to know which way to look. They were close enough to shore that we easily could hear their blowing. They left heading south again. The group included a range of sizes including what appeared to be large males.
M.J. Mariano
We encountered the
that was northbound in Haro Strait in the
Robin Baird, Cascadia Research
Olympia, WA
We watched a single
in the morning (
) off 10-mile point until it reached Trial Island. Then a
whale appeared off the northwest end of Discovery Island and we followed it into the middle of Haro Strait (12:00). A report of 6 transients showed up about 3 miles off the northeast side of Discovery Island and we monitored the few boats with the whales (T20 and T21 group) until the end of the day. We watched them hunting and acquired a lung sample from one of their kills.
Rachael Grififn
M3 Biologist
A report of the Hood canal
from Tom Berry at
7 pm
- all six were off Beacon Pt, 3 miles north of Eldon, heading south toward Hama Hama real slowly.
K's & J's
heading from Blundeon Island towards Turn Point! As the whales crossed Boundary Pass, they began to vocalize loudly! Cappucino (K-21) even did a big breach behind the boat, sending a big splash into the air! Later at Turn Point, the K's went down Haro Strait while J's decided to head back north. We heard reports of
heading up Haro Strait and even a
at Kellett Bluff.
John Boyd (JB)
Marine Naturalist, San Juan Excursions
June 9, 2005
Ed Bowlby & Karin Forney reporting from the NOAA Ship McArthur II surveys off Washington & BC. On the
of we photographed
traveling NW at the following coordinates:48 deg. 26.78 N, 125 deg. 27.12 W. (west of Cape Flattery).
Brandon called to report
J pod
heading north off Lime Kiln at
3 pm
Witnessed a total of three orcas, likely
, traveling very close to shore (30-40 ft. off shore) in front of my home on French Beach, BC. This occurred at approximately
6 pm
Michelle L. Kehler, BSc. E.S., Tech. Dip. E.S.
French Beach, BC
We encountered
off the south side of San Juan Island today, working the salmon. They were heading west when we caught up with them around
, and had reversed direction by the time we left (around noon). Ruffles was quite friendly, and came up very close to the boat!
Naturalist, Olympas
PS Express, Port Townsend
We were out with
J Pod
off of Salmon Bank this
. The whales were extremely spread out and foraging.
Vicki Kirkland, Island Adventures
Anacortes, WA
Reports of
J Pod
at Hein Bank and
K Pod
at Open Bay made for a roll of the dice and we went North to see the K's. Found them near Moat Point (Pender Island) where they were traveling in two groups. They were very active near the point with lots of breaches, tail slabs, tail lobs, and spyhops. Several times we observed the younger whales pushing and shoving under each other as if they were trying to flip each other over. No vocalizations, just some "rowdy" play behavior.
John Boyd (JB)
Marine Naturalist, San Juan Excursions
June 8, 2005
We spent some time with
J's and K's
at the south end of Rosario between
10:30 and 1:00
today. K's were somewhat vocally active, but the J's kept pretty quiet. When we left them they had circled around Lopez past Cattle Pass, presumably to meet up with L pod in Haro (we left before then). We saw some great fishing action, which in one case may have been a lesson for a younger orca.
Naturalist, Olympas
PS Express, Port Townsend
June 7, 2005
In Haro Strait we were able to confirm that L47 has a new calf.
Robin Baird, Cascadia Research
Olympia, WA
Rob Hollingshead, with WDFW, reported 2 groups of four
in each, each group with one adult male, passed by the Westport harbor at
, at 46N 55.228 x 124W 10.4.
I watched the Hood Canal
from afar during sunset between
9pm and 9:30pm
. I didnt get a count. They were closer to the western shore and just north of Hoodsport. Lots of jumping, rolling, splashing, etc in one location. They very gradually headed north until out of view.
Brad Lambert
Cougar Spit
We caught up with
K's and L's
in Haro strait. It was pretty rough, but got a good look at k40 & K21. It was great as they were all grouped up together. Just behind them came a good portion of L's. This was my first encounter with them this year and it was fabulous to see L57 and lots of sprouters. On our way back in we were honored with another orca encounter. At Eagle Point, there were the L12's. L41 did two breaches, followed by a smaller whale.
Alison Engle, Naturalist
San Juan Excursions
Tom McMillen of Salish Sea Charters called at
6:30 pm
to report
J, K & L pods
heading up Swanson Channel. They also observed what looked like a new calf with L47.
In the
we had a SUPERPOD (
J, K, & L Pod
) coming towards False Bay from BC. The whales were spread out over a large area for most of the day, until they got near Open Bay (San Juan Island). Waves were 3-4 feet at times, making observation tricky at times. There they began grouping up and we saw a lot of percussives--multiple breaches, tail slaps, tail lobs, cartwheels, and several "sea snakes". We even had 4 double breaches (2 whales breaching at the same time!) Good to see J-1 (Ruffles) wasn't the only big male around as the L Pod males were struttin' their stuff as well. Towards the end of the day we heard a rumor of a baby orca in possible distress and swimming a bit listlessly, but it turns out that it appears that L-47 has a new baby! The baby was observed by Robin & Candy with Cascadia Research to be swimming in close attendance of L-47 and an auntie. We ended the day with whales swimming between Henry Island and Stuart Island, slowly moving North.
John Boyd (JB)
Soundwatch Volunteer
North of Salmon Bank we had
J's, K's and L's
. We had all the guys together, J1, L41, L57 and some of the sprouters including K21.
Jami Rouse, Naturalist
Island Adventures
June 6, 2005
at Lime Kiln headed north. I was driving home from town and had to go by the West Side. Saw J1. K's and J's spent the day in mixed groups.
Capt. Jim, Maya's Whale Watch Charters
San Juan Island
We caught up with
at Eagle Pt at
. We didn't get much farther north than Pile Pt. Six orcas took a beautiful pass off the stern heading west then circled back around the boat approximately 300 yards to J1 who seemed to be deeply involved in fishing considering his abrupt turns and fin wiggles. The six joined him after a few minutes and stayed under for long periods, presumably fishing also. A few spyhops, tail slaps and close-ups of J8 and J2. They were divided up into subgroups with J26 and J27 traveling close in to shore.
Jamie Bails
Mosquito Fleet
Josh said they had picked up the
Slippery Six early
and they had done nothing very interesting with no kills etc. for almost 4 hours. Josh said at that time the transients were near Alderbrook and just slowly moving east. Around Twanoh at
we saw the research boat WITH the Slippery Six! We witnessed some possible kill behavior in mid-channel north of Twanoh and the Six stayed in the area just milling around for about an hour. They slowly moved west. They headed north towards Musqueti Point about
6.00 pm
Judy Dicksion,
Elaine Wiley called to report the Hood Canal
just south of Ayok Pt., mid-channel heading north. A large cruiser was behind them, the whales were traveling slow & were tightly grouped at
7:40 pm
Today at approx.
7:00 pm
spotted the HC (
) at Dewatto. There was one large fishing boat with them and a large pleasure boat. LL stayed their distance for once. There was one small boat might have been WSFWL that came around the point at Potlatch that caught up quickly and stayed with them for about 20 minutes. They were heading North Was just off the East bank at first. Could not see really clearly. At first just seen the spouting. Then just N. of Dewatto more of the dorsal fins. But clearly all Six. They then headed closer to the middle of the canal and the West bank. Lost sight at approx. 7:30 at just past mile post 323.
Carol Fassett
Hannah of Hood Canal Kayaks in Union called to report the Hood Canal
1:50 pm
passing by the Union Marina heading toward Alderbrook.
We spotted at least 4
really putting on a show just south of Hoodsport..at 1:00 this afternoon.
Joyce Bedingfield
Tom McMillen of Salish Sea Charters & Astrid Van Ginneken of the Center for Whale Research were with
J & K pods
today. They were at Pile Pt. at
11:55 am
, & were getting good ID's - looked like all were there, will know for sure after checking photos. K7 confirmed present.
Looks like we have
at False Bay (
), and my wife said she saw the boat continue north past Henry around 1 PM or so.
John Boyd (JB) Marine Naturalist
San Juan Island
June 5, 2005
west of Race Rocks yesterday at
. One of them was the 2003 calf which returned September 2004. No ID on the 2nd animal.
Mark Malleson
Victoria, BC
We caught up with
J pod
off the northern end of Alden Bank around 1830 and followed along with them headed south.
K Pod
became mixed in around the south end of the bank. We spotted Cappucino and Raggedy for sure. Cappucino breached twice nearby. They were all also fairly vocal which was a nice treat.
Ellen Fortado
Island Adventures Naturalist
There were
out front my house in the
. I live on French Beach, (which is just past Sheringham Point, 20 minutes outside of Sooke BC) and noticed five zodiacs and a covered boat or two observing a group heading out toward Port Renfrew. I'm not sure who the group was, I was hoping to find out if it was J, K, L's or maybe even some Transients using the report at the end of the day but it seems no one commented on them in this area.....
Michelle L. Kehler, BSc. E.S., Tech. Dip. E.S. (
sounds like it was likely L pod - see report below - sb)
, 3 miles south of Beechey Bay at
. Non directional behaviour from what we saw.
all day off the south end of Vancouver Island, west bound, fighting the flood tide! Saw Mega (L41) up close and personal. Huge push for all the boats to head out that direction, L's very spread out all day, and offshore. last call was from Point No Point, west bound,
Claire Mosley.
I usually don't write in a redundant and late sighting report, but the behavior I watched
J pod
perform was awesome yesterday. We had J pod just southeast of Point Roberts, traveling south in their family groups at about 3 knots. Then all of the pod grouped up and slowed to a crawl. All of a sudden at least 15 whales breached, multiple times, at the same time for about five minutes! They were breaching and tail slapping but no spyhops. Then they spread out in a line and started moving south at a quicker pace with an occasional breach. Looked to me that they were organizing to begin foraging. This had to be the best I have ever seen in 15 years. It's always really nice to see J-1 (Ruffles) and J-2 (Granny) put on an aerial display. I heard K pod was a couple of miles behind the J's but couldn't confirm that.
Tom Averna
Deer Harbor Charters
June 4, 2005
found and photo id taken. Today L57 was missing but all of
did not appear to be there. Another young one L88 "Wave walker" is a real growing boy.
Ron Bates
MMRG, Victoria BC
All 6 HC
spotted just West of Misery Point traveling NE at about
Bill Juneau
passed by Maple Beach in travel mode at
7:30 pm
headed North. They did make one stop and were milling around for a few minutes but decided that whatever it was, was not worth sticking around for and continued at a fast pace heading north towards Oak Head, Toanados Peninsula.
Kathy Cole
Maple Beach, Seabeck
After crossing over Salmon Bank headed west, we approached the distant blows cautiously about
6:30 pm
, slowing to near idle speed and moving away from shore. About a mile outside of False Bay there were
all around us, but all of them too distant to make any IDs. Suddenly a whale breached 200 yards away, followed by a taillob, then one pivoted on its rostrum in a full cartwheel, then a juvenile rose in a high spyhop, belly side towards us, where the its best stereoscopic vision faced directly at us. A few came toward us, one flying by the boat a few feet under the surface, upside down, as if to inspect us. They were spread a mile or two apart without much consistent direction except that gradually the whole disorganized blob of whales moved due south toward Dungeness Spit. There seemed to be a lot of foraging, with occasional breaches and lobtails raising white splashes further and further away.
Howard Garrett, Orca Network
I know there has been talk of K7 not returning this year. She has a pretty distinctive dorsal fin, though, and I'm pretty sure I saw K7 in front of Lime Kiln today at about
and the
were here.
Monika Wieland
Whale Museum Intern
Lime Kiln Lighthouse
We caught up to mostly
at Hein Bank with help from the Victoria whale watch boats at
11:00 am
. About a dozen animals traveled north to San Juan island in tight groups and stayed down for extended periods; one calf consistently gave away their location by surfacing to breathe often! Saw
(ID via digital photo) and several males. Later we paused enroute to Everett to watch
going north in a hurry past Iceberg Point at 4 pm.
Jamie Bails
Naturalist, Mosquito Fleet
Howard just called in a report from the Passport to Puget Sound Cruise taking place tonight - they are way out off False Bay in Haro Strait,
7:30 pm
and are seeing
spread out all around them, breaching, tail-waving.
12:45 pm - 1:00 pm
I spotted the
Slippery Six
just North of Potlatch, about 1/4 of the way in the canal off the east bank. Then again at 1:30 pm - 1:40 pm they were just north Dewatto, breaching, spy hopping, rolling and just having a good old time. Again about 1/4 of the way in the canal off the east bank. Then starting moving closer and closer to the shore line, making diving movements in a circle formation. If I didn't know better I would swear they were on the beach. This continued for about 10 minutes. They then started heading north again in a single file with their dorsal fin just breaking the surface.
Carol Fassett
We observed the Hood Canal
8:45 am
. They were traveling south. We initially noticed them splashing a lot off of Lilliwaup then they began traveling south past the Glen Ayre resort. Our final observation was them off of the Finch Creek Hatchery at Hoodsport. We observed the orcas again at around Noon, this time heading north, closer to the eastern Shoreline. Lots of surface play in one area for about 30 minutes just south of Cougar Spit, then they continued with regular travel north.
The Lamberts
Cougar Spit
Kathy Danworth of MAKINPICZ called me and said the
Slippery Six
were passing the front of the Holiday Beach area at
8.30 am
. They were pretty playful Kathy said, with some breaching etc. yet moving towards Hoodsport.
Judy Dicksion,
June 3, 2005
Still no report of K7 and T40 reported with other T's off Sooke this afternoon going west.
Ron Bates
MMRG, Victoria BC
12.15 pm
Brian McLaughlin, and his crew from the Pt. Whitney Shellfish Lab called to say they had seen a few blows of the
in the area. About 10 mins later George called again and said the orcas were interested in a geoduck harvester boat (which was stationary) and the Six in fact had surrounded it! The crew could see blows on each side and then a good-sized harbor seal had jumped up on the dive steps and actually got behind it. Apparently the boat crew tried to dislodge the seal but couldn't. They said the orcas appeared to be traveling north after the boat.
Judy Dicksion,
Well, with the return of
yesterday, we thought now if only L's would show up. We heard that the
did indeed come back in and were between False Bay and Open Bay (San Juan Island) most of the day. We were coming down the back of Henry when J-Pod decided to go back North, so we were happy to wait for them. And Ruffles, that 54 year-old rascal did a beautiful spy hop, followed by not one but TWO breaches! We also noticed that J-8 Speiden appears to have a new nick at the base of her dorsal fin. The whales were very active until they passed Kellett Bluff, then they settled back down into travel mode.
John Boyd (JB)
Marine Naturalist, San Juan Excursions
4:50 pm
L Pod
along western side of San Juan Island.
Capt. Jim Maya
Maya's Whale Watch Charters, San Juan Island
Judy Dicksion called to relay a report of the Hood Canal
at Case Shoal off Squamish Harbor just before
12:30 pm
. A boat out harvesting Goeduck had been surrounded by the whales, & a seal jumped on the swim step of the boat & they were trying to get the seal off, to no avail......
June 2, 2005
returned to the area with some "friends"--
! As we waited for the whales to arrive near Moat Point, we could see orcas spread out in large groups, with lots of breaches, tail slaps, and other percussive behavior. And once we dropped the hydrophone in the water, we were treated to the most incredible array of vocalizations I have ever heard. They were so loud and ranged from simple notes to complex combinations of squeals, whistles, and grunts. We watched the whales continue on towards Active Pass.
John Boyd (JB)
Marine Naturalist, San Juan Excursions
June 1, 2005
Officer John Hall of U.S. Coast Guard Cutter Midgett (WHEC-726) saw a large pod approx 80
approx. 12 nm northwest of Point Loma (San Diego) heading NNE around
forwarded by
Vicki Kirkland, Island Adventures
Anacortes, WA
The many
were in fact 2, one large one, one not so large. Did not appear to be mother calf, just 2 animals
Ron Bates
MMRG, Victoria BC
Kay Kaufman with WA Fish & Wildlife reported a pod of 4
, including 1 adult male at
1:30 pm
at 48 24 6375 and 124 39 6889 (near Seiku).
- Several
whales are in the Eagle Point area.
Capt. Jim Maya, Maya's Whale Watch Charters
San Juan Island
whales making their way North in Haro Strait near Darcy Island.
John Boyd (JB)
San Juan Island
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Now... I will share with you a School Memory... There's a "Fall Challenge" starting today on The SITS Girls and I am taking it, at least for today... we'll see what the rest of the days are like and see if I can combine it with my already planned posts for the season!
Today we are supposed to write some memory of our school years... I will post something about my childhood... although it's been a while ago I still have some fond memories that seem very fresh... Let's see...
|I am the first one from left to right... I wasn't the oldest in the picture btw... I was about 6 there, the rest are some cousins, my sister is the 4th. one from left to right. :)
I started elementary school in the city where I was born, in Mexico, Monterrey, N.L. to be more specific (you have to google images of that city to get a better idea how gorgeous it is!) then we moved to Matamoros, Tamps., a border city (don't google it, please! LOL!) not so gorgeous but still... I have great memories... my sister and I used to go together to elementary school, I am 3 yrs. older than her but I was 4 grades ahead because I started school 1 year earlier than I was supposed to (smart girl! LOL!) anyway... There was this time when we were particularly late, way later than our usual, so my little sister was following me to my classroom instead of going to hers, I asked her why and she said: "Look, it's soo early there's nobody here yet" until she realized there was nobody because everyone was actually in their classroom! That's actually an embarrassing memory! LOL! but yes, we used to be late quite often! My parents are sooo great but my mom was always running to get to work, always kissing us too! So... we were probably late for so many kisses! Better kissed and late than not kissed and early! Am I right? In school I loved the street vendors that gathered at the gates and by the walls around school during recess and when it was time to go home! I always bought stuff with hot pepper in it... I don't know if there's any kid in Mexico that is not into that stuff! Tamarind with chili powder, mango or watermelon flavored hard candy all covered in chili powder as well, "bolis and chamoys" oh such great stuff that could give anybody an ulcer! I remember holding hands with my bffs during the whole recess or sitting all on the floor in a circle talking about little girls stuff, I also loved my teachers, they were very encouraging (most of them), I always felt like I was "the most important" kid in school! LOL! very weird... I guess every kid should feel like that! I did have some bad experiences, some kids would pick on me just because I was so tall (I am tall for a Mexican but not really in the USA) I am 5' 7" but I guess I reached that height pretty early... So.. I got picked on... and I was always a gentle giant so... I couldn't even defend myself... my dad had "bodyguards" for me in school though... rougher looking kids that my dad would "hire" to protect his princess... he would "pay them" with candy and treats from those same street vendors... My best memories from school I guess involve my dad... always there for me when the bell rang... I guess that's what made me feel so important too! Looking at his face look for me in the crowd of children made me feel like the luckiest girl ever... -sigh-
How about you? Do you have any good, funny, interesting, remarkable or even scary school memories to share? :) I'd love to hear all about it!
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