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Title: Drakensang Online
Status: Released Graphics: 3D
Genre: MMORPG Type: Browser
Developer: Bigpoint
Publisher: Bigpoint
Explosive Features:
- Extraordinary 3D graphics and effects.
- Epic story with countless quests.
- Triple-A browser game.
Drakensang Online is a free to play 3D action RPG game that features extraordinary 3D graphics and effects and heralds the next generation of free-to-play online browser games. With the ability to customize your character, skills and magic powers like never before, join your comrades to wage a brutal war against evil.
The visually stunning game world, featuring picturesque medieval towns, green forests, murky swamps and dark caves, was developed by Bigpoint using their in-house "Nebula3" engine, impressing players with a level of 3D graphics and effects that have not been seen in browser games before. In addition to its two selectable character classes, Drankensang Online has impressed fans with a variety of different character skills, exciting and challenging quests, an impressive armoury of weapons and magic, and over 100 hours of gaming content.
The game invites players to take up arms as fearless Dragonknight freedom fighters or wise and magical Spellweavers to wage a brutal war against the terrifying dragons and savage monsters of the Anderworld.
Gamers will have to fight as one if they wish to survive Drakensang Online's treacherous dungeons. Players can meet up in public gathering sites such as cities or military camps to get to know each other, take on challenges together and hatch plans to march into battle united. In addition to cooperative gameplay, gamers can also test their mettle against each other in the PvP arena located in the capital of Kingshill and find out who is the mightiest hero in Drankensang Online.
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System requirements
OS: Windows 7/Vista/XP
Processor: Pentium4 1 GHz or better
Memory Ram: 512MB Free
Hard Disk Space: 400 MB
Video Card: 256 MB VRAM
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I ate an apple today so I got that going for me
Not a browser game since April 2015. Now a download only game for Macintosh software.. Bull.
It still is a browser game, but only if Java is still supported in your browser. I am still playing this in Firefox, but cause Mozilla blocked Java in new Firefox Versions you can almost only access it in Firefox 32bit.
I started playing this game about three years ago. It was fine at first, then it started to "stall" on me. That is, the game would come to a grinding halt.
Players in the game Forum provided advice about clearing your cache, doing this, doing that. Tried what i could, but I am not a programmer by any means.
Eventually the game would quickly stall, no more picture… so I haven't played for some time now.
I don't understand how I had access, easy access, etc., and have that deteriorate so quickly to the point I could no longer launch the game.
All browser games feel like paid 2 win anymore in my opinion. It's like they can't keep up with modern games or since alot of gamers hate the awful browser gameplay so to benefit them they made it paid 2 win. I wouldn't recommand browser games unless they are good.
I still don't understand why they always say DSO is a free game. You can't develope your character and play normal if you don't give a huge amount of money to BP. I play it since the first days and I don't have developed hero at all. Everytime when I thought that at least I have made my hero strong enough, Bugpoint makes a patch and I am on the bottom again. And they make it for years! There are players who play 1-2 months and are MUCH stronger than me and many others. They come, pay and have fully developed hero on the max lvl. In the arena the p2p players win almost 100% of the points and the rounds. If you are f2p player you are only dying and dying and dying and get amost nothing from the battles. So many times, so many players wrote and still write in the comunity forums about the situation in the arenas and the results of all complaints is only negative and more negative. DSO is not free to play game at all. The free players are there only to be laugh at, to donate points and to make the pleasure of the paid players. Nothing more. An it's not a browser game anymore. Now you could play only trough the client you download. 🙁
It still is a browser game, but only if Java is still supported in your browser. I am still playing this in Firefox, but cause Mozilla blocked Java in new Firefox Versions you can almost only access it in Firefox 32bit.
TBH I think they've gotten better about it. And I've been playing since 2012. The games player base has definitely dropped, but I decided to roll an alt on Heredur bc that's the most populated server. After three days, my gear is all extraordinary or legendary. Gems drop like crazy now, and it's so much easier to level. I certainly see how it can be ptw but you even get more anderment from quests and mobs.
can you make it on endroid pleasss
This game can ONLY run on Microsoft Windows or on Apple OS X : the browser only launches the exe file so it cannot work on mobile phones or linux or anywhere else…it's not really browser based, it could run alone without browser too.
Yes, they pointed this out on their download page, you had to pay attention.
Is it still considered a browser based RPG if you have to download about 1GB of data to play it? I thought the whole idea of a browser game was that there was no need to download anything -_-
It once were a browser game, not anymore. And, they pointed this out on their download page, you had to check twice before commenting.
It still is a browser game, but only if Java is still supported in your browser. I am still playing this in Firefox, but cause Mozilla blocked Java in new Firefox Versions you can almost only access it in Firefox 32bit.
2015 is almost over and so is this game, I have been playing this game for almost 4 years and in the last 3 years there were no real game improvements. So here is my true n' honest review….!!!
This game was amazing when it made it's 1st appearance (back in 2011), up until 2013 where this game came to an halt with an entire new dev team.
The new dev team was and still is worried about only one thing and that is….."Money"!!!
In 3 years they made only 2 expansion contents + 1 new class "Steam Mechanicus" and that's all their work, all the rest of their so called game improvements is money related, 95% of all in-game item-shop can only be purchased with in-game currency, which can only be obtained with real money or you have to play above 8 hours per day for a very long time….just to buy "ONE" item.
If you still think that this game could be fun to play, then here is another hint for you.
Go to the US/UK forum and read all patch notes + feedback threads to see how discontent the entire community really is and how much the dev team cares for the community's input.
Also do not post any negative/nonconstructive feedback or the Admin/Mods will delete and ban you from the forum and if you insist they will penalize your game account, by deleting item's or characters (go to Facebook to know more, because in the forum those posts are immediately deleted) .
Now it's time for cons n' pros….
– Pros –
It's free-to-play
It's fun to play for the 1st time for about 6 months to a year
Can be played solo, in group or with guild mates
Has an main event in every 30 or 45 days
It's more of Arcade hack n' slash, instead of an RPG
(In +3 years of playing…someone would thought that the list would be bigger…but it ain't)
– Cons –
Extreme pay-to-win game
To many hacks/bots/exploits for this game
Unfair PvP fights (it's always f2p vs p2p class)
Drop of unique items in PvE is very/extremely low (In +3 years i never got one)
To much grinding to obtain weak or even reasonable gear to improve your character
Almost no characters customization (hairstyle, skin color and gender nothing more)
Outdated graphics (have never been improved since day-one, +4 years have gone by)
No in-game shop items with gold coins (only real cash)
No trading or buy and sell system between players
Repetitive main events, they haven't made a new one in 3 years.
(I could go on, but i'm tired of typing)
My advise to you is – "Read first all info about this game, then try it and then judge for yourself"
I love people who complain about people running a F2P game trying to get you to spend money. You understand they are a business not a charity right?
Spoken like a true Moderator/Employ at DSO.
You resumed my entire post into just one word "Money" and what about the rest???
You said "business not a charity right?".
FYI BP makes millions per month (+300M per year), so…."charity" I don't think so and that is why this game is an extreme pay to win game and that is why the dev team doesn't need to make any type of game improvments for several years before losing some money!!!
Or a person with common sense. Think logically ok. Imagine you're producing a game for free but it's also costing you. What does that mean? You need to give people the option to pay for certain things because you also rely on people purchasing stuff with actual money otherwise you can't produce the game. Nobody with half a brain would pay out of pocket to produce a game that is bringing in nothing at all. Common sense.
I agree,its was good 4 years ago but now its just all about money ,they destroyed the game completely because they dont understand their own game :/
I played for a while, but eventually the game updates overwhelmed my computer — to the point I could no longer launch the game.
It is not purely a browser based game — having to download whatever version of Java needed.
I figured a way to advance my character and PvP in the Arena while remaining in, and continuing to cycle through, the introductory quest. I was able to get gear and gems to improve my character while doing so. As the PvP experience grew so did my success. Not sure if Admins have altered that benefit.
It was fun and the graphics were great. I've moved over to Might & Magic Heroes Online – a truly browser based game. Graphics are good and it is fun.
Both games optimize your success if you pay for stuff. I'm too cheap and haven't put down a dime on either of the games.
Suxx its to bad
theres not supposed to be a download but there is for java so i search for free online rpg games no download and get this crap
It still is a browser game, but only if Java is still supported in your browser. I am still playing this in Firefox, but cause Mozilla blocked Java in new Firefox Versions you can almost only access it in Firefox 32bit.
In the first time I played this game I think it will be cool and awesome game but 3 years letter I saw only lags , bugs and LAGS. I think Drakensang Online is for payers because if you spend 2 weeks to get something cool one payer will get it for 2 days the payers have better luck , better stats and everything better. I think this game is only for payers and for some players with big luck but remember , Bigpoint (Bigpoint- the guys who make this game) want the players to pay very much and they want to do everything for it , to play games of Bugpoint you must be very patient if you don't pay or be lucky and patient just stop this game . I actually stop it because I spend much time for this game and what? I was very annoyed by the bugs lags and the patches.
That's the think I had when I played Drakensang.
I really like this game, people is always complain about p2w players but the true is that usually p2w players don't have many time so they invest money but everybody could be strong even more than they because you can't buy the best set (keen, roshan,…), you can only have it by farming so.. time and patience.. it depends on you but it's not for lazy people.
This is real bullshit! You can do great with any set, the main thing is Stones, you can farm for ages including andermant drops changed to stones before you can combine powerful stone which can be bought for money. The result is that in PvP you meet players you just can't beat what so ever. Was playing for almost 4 years.
I played this for a while and imo its a spin off of Diablo III. At first it was okay, it can be challenging to play solo and its more of a team oriented game when getting to higher levels. I tried 3 characters my fighter is level 26 the others are at 15 – 18. My best experience was playing with some friends.
Graphics are very good much the same as Diablo III. but the CON is the lack of any kind of Story that stays well connected to the end game. It s a series of mini quests that are disjointed.
As for the P2W its more of a pay to have an edge. IF you want play for free then play War Thunder, World of Tanks etc those are true play for free games. And as a long time gamer before their were MMO's all games you bought to play so I don't mind paying a fair price for a great game, but a monthly payment is not imho fair its just another way to make money and if they want me to do that they need to provide a lot more cohesion and better content than what they have.
On a side note their are a lot of games out there that are far worse and all money driven with no support or any quality for those who cannot afford to pay
Eh, for me it's ok. I have seen better F2P games. But don't get me wrong. It is not bad. If i had to choose, to play this game for an hour or any other game fr 15 minutes, i would choose the first option. Don't make decisions from other people's reviews. Play the game, and than you'll see if you like it or not. For example my brother loves this game. This is it from me. Have a Good day.
is java required for this game?
I've been playing Drakensang for nearly 3 years. Mage level 45 Flag Bearer. The game has gone down hill for the last year or so. Lag after bug after lag after bug. A week or so ago, the started an event and within the first hour they closed the servers to fix a bug that has been around for 4+ months and had nothing to do with the event. Today they had a new release. Although the release seems nice, I can't tell you for sure because new bugs have made the game unplayable. I would suggest you all stay away from this game. You can have fun but you'll need money. Or endless grinding for XP, items etc. I've officially retired from DSO as of today. Don't give your money to BigPoint.
is the amazing games
How about putting a link to the game on the page somewhere, geniuses?
I played this game for 2 years, really likied it but now it is falling apart. All of sudden lots of "All connection attempts have failed" errors and support in any hurry to fix it. It has become unplayable.
It had potential. But ultimately it is a casino game. Every drop, crafting, whatever is just like playing a slot machine.
Sometimes you win; but as with most shell games, you lose way beyond what you win. There are no merit based dynamics in these "grind" farm games. Time that is spent here hardly ever feels rewarding.
Why can't MMORPG developers listen to the players? We, those of us that work for a living, don't have time to invest in order to have a viable, working character.
At least give us a paying option that is more than more pulls on the slot machine handle. It is valueless and irresponsible.
Also, I'll say it point blank.
adequate boss compensation (meaning, you get what you use at the very least when you beat the boss) is nonexistent, just another pull on the slots…
This game has good graphics, but, it consumes lot of bandwidth!!
Very short polish thought about Drakensang Online.
Napisałem tu dość długi komentarz po angielsku z dość obiektywną recenzją. Z jakiegoś powodu jakiś burak nie opublikował go, zatem napiszę teraz wyłącznie po polsku i bardzo krótko – gra nastawiona na dojenie graczy i jeżeli nie płacisz, to dużo frajdy z niej nie będziesz mieć.
FULLLLLL BUGGGG , FULLL ERRRORRS , play this ghame :))))))))00)
Whoever did the video review is annoying and idiotic. Inform me on aspects of the game not simplistic and irrelevant observations.
200 cahs currency to delete a character. 10/10.
Both the USA servers are almost all Spanish speaking, cant find anyone who speaks English and if i do its very little. Also it is not a browser based game anymore
this game is fk, my second day in and they have to many problems you do the quest get the riword and after 2-3 min the game take back the riword and you cant do again the quests, you character move like shet
what happened to BROWSER GAME. I look for free browser games i don't want a download.
You will need a Java plugin active on your browser so you can play without downloading the game
How is this game a browser based game if you have to download it?
You can chose to play it on browser (Java plugin needed) or download the game client and. It doesn't take more than 1 minute to install the game client.
When the game launched, it was so amazing, with very little amount of bugs and no bot users at all. Now it sucks, every day the bug count is growing.. at least they banned the bot users.
Great game 8/10 🙂
I like it bicouse it's not p2w
yeah not p2w, but P2W to level up some legendary items to lvl
45 or 50, you need 50.000 to 70,000 euros. so it is very much a P2W, if not "the" PAY to WIN out there. LOL
You dont know what p2w is then …
p2w is if you can get with money very much very fast … and not with a butload of money a small amount …
In Fact P2W describes a System that let you gain an unfair advantage over players if you are willing to pay actual money.
Example: A 10% Damage buff or a extra strong peace of gear for real money would be p2w.
on the other hand if you can invest money only to get different looks or exp bonuses that just speed up your progression would not be pay 2 win since you can obtain the same things without investing money.
Lol, its still pay to win.
If you can buy gear with real money, you get a greater advantage over others that don't use real money. thats p2w
It really isnt P2W, all you need to do is farm, all the best gear ingame you can't buy.
game pay to win..
If you think that this is pay to win then you are probably one of the noobs that die every 5 seconds and never actually played the game. You can get easily unique items either from monsters or from the shop (you get in every quest free premium currency called "andermants") and in all events.
I have played (and I am still playing) this game. I am 30 level mage on grimmag server and what can I say is that this game has 1) big playerbase, 2) nice graphics and gameplay (Controls etc) 3) it isn't p2w game. I give it 9/10!
no P2W??? are you talking about PPP2W Drakensang Online or Tetris? to upgrade a legendary lvl 3 wand to lvl 45 costs a RIDICULOUS 70.000 EUROS. LOL
*obvious sarcasm*
The "glypsh" that are needed to upgrade items can be farmed in game and doesn't need buying.
The P2w in this game is only the buying and using of red essence (in PvP).
credo ke in 33 anni ke gioco ai videogiochi questo sia il piu orrendo giocabilita 2 grafica calcolando ke siamo nel 2014 e a dirla tutta al massimo 0 fa pena nemmeno il primo diablo era cosi brutto poi gestione account una truffa dall inizio un gioco d ruolo con 8 slot liberi x portarsi gli oggetti x qualsiasi cosa servono altergemme…e una vergogna era piu onesto kiedere un abbonamento d 10 euro al mese e basta non (rubare) le persone stupide che comprano in euro una cosa banale come lo zaino o il magazzino x tenere gli item con sto gioco i videogiochi sono ritornati agli anni 90 RIDICOLO
its already 2014 and it hasn't come out for mac yet :L meh I can wait
They are probably going to ignore Apple's shit computers…
my SHIT mid2011 21.5in iMac is running GTAV and BF3. Just sayin.. Not a mac fan at all, but its all i got atm
i run those games on a 650$ laptop.. just sayin
guys this game is awesome… if u haven't play it yet give it a try..!
This game says you've "DOWNLOAD" the game, false information saying this only a browser game!
Are you seriously complaining about 8.6MB?
It used to be. It got too popular so they made it a client
You still can play on the browser, when it says "Download" just scroll down and you'll see.
low drop rates, can't trade other people, heavily restricts non-payers…. Decent graphics and gameplay, especially for a top-down, but i cant get over the fact of how limiting it is.
Hey, guys is it worth playin?
No if u dont start yet, then dont start from the beginning & waste ur time on this shity game, Believe me this game now full with bugg, always lagging,it give u headache .
unbalanced PVP scale Fieldmarshall VS Legionnaire (Epic fail).
Your comment gives me a headache.
The game is really, really good! I started playing last August and I already have a level 45 Ranger. There are some specific places inside the world that you'll experience lag but all of it has been fixed already, the problem with avast antivirus has been fixed as well. If you experience a black screen while loading the game or an error message you just need to clear your cookies and cache. If there's an error message regarding java you just need to update yours. Also try closing other tabs if you are experiencing loading problems. Andermants and crystal of truth can be farmed but if you're too lazy for it then that's the time that you can purchase. All in all this is the best game that I ever played since Diablo 2.
nice game I was very shock I thought its boring but its very cool.
It would be better if there was an actual English speaking server. Both US servers are 99% Spanish speaking.
This game suck, because it is a pay to win/to level/to gear up kind of game. It is not really free unless you have a cred card.
This game sucks it refused to load and registerin took me like 10 minutes!
try to register again
The game is actually pretty good from what I have tested in the game (I think I will return cuz of the new class)
It's a very nice game, but in my opinion, have some major problems:
1st – There are very few missions on higher levels, witch doesn't help a level 40 player to reach level 41 (for example);
2nd – The game was designed to make people spend money if they want to get trough.
3rd – If we unveil 4 extraordinary items with crystals of truth and then combine them on a work bench, we receive a locked legendary item!! It's not fair because we've already unlocked those 4 items…
But still a very good game that I strongly recommend.
It's very laggy I couldnt even really play.
try to download the game
this is a good game…I love it…but sometimes I've get tolerated by those quest…=(
hope that there well be a new character which is healer…
this game is boring!
I have played this game for a pretty long time and in my opinion if you don't have the money for Diablo or for any other reason, this game is a good clone.
I played a lot for over 1 year, and it was ok at the beginning, but it got very money driven when they introduced the perfect gems. Yes you can farm everything as a F2P, but even 24/7/365 will not get you anywhere near someone who can put in $20 a month into the game. Even $20 into the game every month will not make you anywhere close to maxing out your gears either. Not to mention those who spend thousands to make a God character. Do the math if you don't believe me. If you plan to play F2P and just PVE then it's not real bad, it will just take about 3X times longer to kill everything but if you plan to PVP it's just pointless. To me Drakensang is one of the biggest P2Win that's why I stopped playing it shortly after Perfect Gems came out. Don't get me wrong, I loved just about everything else about the game. I'm not asking for completely free game to play, I understand that the dev's need to make money too. But you have to understand that P2 have an advantage is not the same as P2 be a GOD.
I give it 5 stars. It is just right, and the weapons and monsters and classes, are not over-powered. Keep up the good work DrakenSang Online.
i repeat ………. this game is orrible shit all time ………….. if yuo pay …… you have all ………….. if you no pay you no have nothing for compete in game …………. arena PVP only shop player is impoissible ……….. repeat ultra shit game only for noob player shop ^_^
your loss for not paying, nobody forced you.. your loss for being unlucky, and finally your loss for not opening chests o_0
You have to pay for those too.
I repeat… Learn some proper grammar before commenting.
Bigpoin, oh yes i love your cash, better play path of exil or kingsroad
this game is good play it
This game is really worth playing but it is hard to find 3v3 challengers
i dont know what all you lot are complaining about. if you was to play it for longer than 5 mins you would see that most of the stuff you have to pay for in this game you can come by yourself, with a bit of time and effort on your time part of course. eg. crystal of truth you can farm from dungeons all over the game, more or less of it in certain areas. and andermant you can also get by doing the same thing and by also doing the quests. the game game does lag sometimes but not enough to say, right this is crap an then tell everyone on here that they shouldn't play it because of your low patience to carry on playing past the first downfall in the game. so all you people that are thinking of giving the game a go then i say give it a chance and let yourself decide. dont listen to everyone putting it downbecause they haven't got the capabilities to play the game without everything being free and literally handed to them.
Best game ever 😀
I'm Lv.29 and still playing.
Lol, same here. Tell me ur username , so that maybe we can play together sometime c:
It's not nice -_-\
Guise, how to play this? . Please Reply ASAP.
lmao, it easy. any kid can play this game..
To attack : Just use your mouse (right and left button ) and number keypad ( number 1-6). Aim at the monsters.
Click on the ground to move around, keep a sharp eye for chests, anderment ( yes, they do give it free, 6-10 anderment sometimes) , weapon, clothes, stones and etc.
It's so easy just click and lot of reading.
It was one of the BEST free mmo games i had played yet it is very fun when you are playing with other peaple there is a lot of stuff to do play it NOW
I agree, it used to be the best MMORPG for back in 2011 and 2012. But now it's quite crappy and the devs are greedy – would give it only 5 out of 10.
Y do we ALWAYS have to download some games when it said "browser" games?!?!
NO. This game does not.
this game here full on pay to win.
Not this one dude
Gioco a questa porcheria di gioco da circa un anno ……. quest noiose e brutte pvp indecenti ……… vince solo chi compra ……….. grafica a livello di playstation2 ……….. lasciate perdere molto meglio diablo 3 …….. non vale la pena di giocare a questa cavolata di gioco
I play this shit game for about a year ……. quest boring and ugly pvp indecent ……… wins only those who buy ……….. graphic level playstation2 ……….. let go of a lot better diablo 3 …….. not worth it to play this bullshit game
I think this game is pretty nice 🙂
the game is pay to win and pay for lvl up and pay to have some decent gear 🙁 game is nice but money system sucks
-_- Not this game dude, here is many event for you to win, i'm Lv 29 and still enjoy
i'm a level 20 spellweaver…heres my take on this game.
it IS indeed a browser game, one of the finest i must say, you have a knight,ranger,spellweaver. you can do quests to get andermants and coins, to the ones that says theres no farming in this game…how wrong you are, i been farming in cattacombs, CoT's drop like crazy there and copper.
you can sell your white or green or blue gears to a merchent to build up your gold coins faster, you DONT need to buy andermants, you can farm it…does it take time? YES! who says any game is easy? if your not welling to take the time than by all means, dont play mmo's.
all this bitching about lag and shit, really? funny, all mmos has lag if you dont have a good pc, even my pc isnt godly but still enjoy myself.
i'm glad they added the andermants Option, after all its a MONEY sink….know the dif please.
I recommand this game to anyone, the PvP and the arena is the best i had seen, and gives you a choice if you want to OPEN pvp or not…unlike many games who force you by a certine level.
the graphics *for a browser* is a beast, better than runescape shit, if you wanna play the OLD runescape go play Entrnal lands.
this game has so much more, its balanced and the devs do care about their players unlike WoW and some other games.
Thumbup 😀
I started this game 1 week after it came out as open beta. After almost 2 years of playing I m here to share my thoughts.
First a few things about my gaming preferences:
I love diablo style hack and slash games, I always chose western fantasy/medieval themed games, I instantly reject asian/anime styled games, I always play the spellcaster class, I instantly reject games which force me to play a female character for the class I prefer (gender locked-bye bye P.oE.), I instantly reject games with gunpowder based weapons, I dislike games that focus too much on ridiculously looking pets and mounts, I dislike games with ridiculously looking armors and weapons, I m always willing to pay a f2p game (no more than 1 year subscription would cost) ONLY if the game deserves my money.
Drakensang online seems to cover most of my preferences.. yet.. After being on and off in this game for 2 years hoping they will make it better only to witness it getting worse with each update I m finally here to find something else.
I have a lvl 40q5 wizard and well equipped for anyone wondering.
This game is not made to entertain players and make them willingly invest their money on something that they enjoy. Its made to milk money out of players while trying to keep them with the promise it will be entertaining at some point in the future.
3 classes, no character customization, no skills variation/customization, only 1 armor design for each class (plus 1-2 uniques), 12 skills for each class (most are useless).
All the above simply mean that you cant build a unique character and you will meet your twin all the time.
Small repetitive and uninteresting maps, 0 endgame content, 0 guild functionality, repetitive quests (especially endgame), very low drop rates and generally bad drops, unbalanced classes, unbalanced pve (there is even a pay to kill endgame boss, part of a quest), unbalanced pvp (p2w), ridiculously limited inventory space (you need much of the inventory for quest items) which you have to pay real cash to expand, extremely expensive (real money) gems which are decisive on pvp/pve, you need to pay an extreme amount of real money to identify equipment (extraordinary, legendary) or farm for days to identify 1 item.
Ressurection, health/mana potions, identify crystals, shop weapons and armor, gems, buffs (not all), inventory space, guild creation, emotes, and many other things (almost everything) need real money.
What the developers did so far? Changing the gameplay every once in a while and changing the skills every second update to make the high level players weaker and weaker in pve. Make the endgame npc's even harder to kill. And always creating unequality between players favoring those who have loads of time or money (or both) to spent and forcing casual players out of the game.
Play it but dont pay a single euro/dollar for this game… and when you hit lvl 40 search for something else.
Drakensang tried robbing me of my money as well. They need to update their servers to be able to handle the capacity of users they have. People keep getting bumped out of games they paid to participate in, and they then refuse to refund the money or restore your account to it's original value before you get bumped. So, I opened a case with paypal, Drakensang never responded, and I won the case. It is almost a year later, and they are now badgering me for the money again, and trying to extort more money out of me for "reversal" charges. Bottom line is, I am not obligated to pay for something I never received. I highly recommend paying ONLY with paypal, and if they bump you and you do not get what you paid for, open a case with paypal. You will win your case if you did not receive what you paid for. Also, Drakensang told me they had no obligation to respond to the paypal claim, and this is why they did not. This alone will win you your case, just by default. Do not let them steal from you!!! I for one have had enough of greedy corporations.
The game is unique!
Playing nearly one year without having spent a dime!
I'm level 40 and have a lot more tasks to accomplish!
only for richer, you will never wont with those who had bought many anderment, if you like to pvp dont choose this game
wtf?this game is for browser?
This game is free but is very expensive to really progress at a nice pace of just questing. Gear drops tend to be woeful on stats although you can combine unidentified gear to form better ones but the better the gear you make the more costly to identify them.
Farming enough in game money is near impossible when starting your first character unless you got a lot of time or cash to buy it from the developer.
Great game though, but make sure you keep a tight reign on your wallet as spending real world money on this game can really cost you if left unchecked. As an example 128k Andemant (in-game money) from the developer will cost you $US129.00 and that's supposed to be 42 percent discounted which probably won't last long when just dealing with gear items.
As temptation would have it you may have started this game on the free basis and end up forking out a lot more than you anticipated.
jesus… why do you people waste time with crap like this??? games like this from no name developers… get swtor… or aion…. both free to play and don't absolutely require you to spend money to progress… Plus… both were once subscription based games… Aion has a few expansions already released and starwars is coming with one very soon. I would NEVER waste time with crap like this. In fact… I really don't know how I ended up on this site in the first place, but i HAD to comment.
I can't Download it man…i think this is an interesting Game.
I played this heavily for almost 2 months last year, but stopped because games progress was pretty much locked onto paying to win, and well the game play got repetitive/boring. Go check out something else on the lines of City of Steam for a browser game and see how they handle their game and cash shop. Way better than Drakensang, which basically wants to rape you for your money.
it takes forever 2 load
Yeah I tend to agree with most people here. I have been playing for awhile and the longer you go the more you realize that is more f2p. So far I have not lagged a lot, but I just play a couple hours a day. Also the best way I find to get some of the stuff is just check your toons daily for the bonus and do the daily quests too.
Definitely the best MMORPG for browser… i played it till lvl 30, such a great game!
Too bad it became pay 2 win.
its not a pay to win, you can save up the andermants and shit like that, people needs to realize what IS pay to win and whats not, and believe me this isnt a pay to win game.
I'm on Drakensang now, I'm only Level 3, and I have no clue how to get to the levels with monsters I can fight. Right now, I'm fighting Level-18-and-up monsters with Level-2-and-3 equiptment. Anyone have any tips on how to get to an easier level?
I was an ex Bigpoint fan but like all their games they became pay 2 play… and the more you continue you more you realize that and the more you hate them…
So take my suggestion and leave ALL bigpoint games cause they are not worth it…
hi my name is sotiris and i play drakensang i think this is the best game in internet 🙂
my character is archer and he's name is sotirissonic.
I love it and i hope you will love it too see ya.
i like the game in tell thay chang it oll up, you span oll that time geting the hours and naw you cant do any thing whit it like the video sas. and it sems that whin thay make a good game thay mas it up and chag avery thing up and oll thay are doing is making the game suck,,,,you cant do any thing whit the hours,,, you cant run whit the flag any mor,,, and and whin you kill sumthing you dont get nuthing but junk any more,,, gous to sho you that chang is not owes batter..
OK my actual review, after leaving comments on others:
The allure of Free to Play is irressitable, especially when the bank balance is tight, but if you think any such game is going to be as good as a pay for one, then you are deluding yourself. Of course this isn't really free to play any more than Forge of Empires, Grepolis, Shards of the Dreams etc. The reality is that at some point they are going to try and force you into giving them money as in all walks of life and unless you are willing to say no, or are really unable to pay then you'll probably end up investing money. So lets ignore the monetary aspect of this and look at the game itself
For a Browser Based Game (and yes I know you can download the client), it looks very good. 3rd person only unfortunately which ruins it somewhat for me. I can't get immersed in a 3rd person world to the same extent but it is graphically acceptable, unless you're looking for the latest SOTA graphics in which case you will of course be disappointed. In fact graphically it looks kind of like WoW in general feel.
However gameplay and HUD wise its very much like Diablo in many respects, i.e. get ready for RSI in your fingers ;), the lack of Auto attack is a little disappointing from my point of view, but be that as it may. During the low levels at least the game is pretty enjoyable, questing is very like other MMORGs. The game system is a little confusing to be honest though. However it siffers from the many of the symptoms of the modern MMORG disease. That of system intervention to keep the whiners and babies quiet, still this is pretty much the case for all new games now and I've learned to live with it for all it galls and actually damages the game to a great extent 90% of the time for the vast majority of players.
* Choice of character classes is pitiful, there really is no excuse for this.
* Idenfication of Items is annoying and the this is compounded by the fact that it uses the modern MMORG stupidity of not allowing you to drop items and then hope to come back and find them later, therefore meaning you have to destroy the items in order to pick something else up to find out what it is, or worse complete a quest.
* too much holding your hand, for instance giving you DPS. This is something for the player to figure out… sorry if you can't roughly divide 42 by 8 for instance there really is no hope and anyway you have a calculator on your computer. Its a minor point I know, but its all part of the spoon feeding make the game very easy for people rot which spreads to all elements of the game, just like the symbols over NPCs heads (I really hate that, its horribly unrealistic and means you don;t even look at NPCs you look for symbols which is very damaging to the overall immersivity of the virtual world ).In the good old days (sic) we had to work out that it was even DPS that was important rather than total damage etc, Verant/Sony didn't tell you, we had to go and talk to NPCs and see if there was a quest. i.e. being alert and actually thinking things out and doing leg work gave you an advantage in the game as is darn well should.
* Charging adament for each visit to a dungeon is outrageous, in fact I see it as criminal. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
* monster variety seems a little low, but I guess this is to be expected
technical wise
It seems that the connection problems highlighted above have been sorted not had any of them. The chat window is annoying
I like your review Malaidas. Other than your comment about the DPS, which I found a bit nit-picky, the rest of your comments were fair and reasonable.
I've noticed, now that I am level 25, that it is getting harder and harder to solo without buying the Andermant and buying uber stuff. This is to be expected so I am not crying about it. This is standard for a lot of the "free" MMOs out there.
The only connection prob I've had per se is that the browser sometimes gives me a "not responding" and refreshes itself. It doesn't happen all the time and it only happens once before continuing on, but given my PC and connection at home this probably means that it is on their end, not mine. It'd be nice if they up the juice on their login system. I've gotten a couple of laggy moments in the game too, but nothing overly horrible.
It is what it is, a free game that is made easier when you spend real money…
nit picking, yes. But smething which kind of stuck in my head when I first saw it. Its not a biggy its the kind of thing it represents which I object to in general. As I said though its there in every modern MMO now. The make it easy mentality rather than make it challenging and leave it to the player's to figure stuff out and then talk to each other when they do, and sort out their own problems for the most part.
In gneral though I like this game, just prefer some others more.
i've played this game last year,i got bored playing it but since its gotten cooler,i wanna give drakensang a second chance…
it's a free rpg diablo clone that's actually done right, the best pvp i have ever enjoyed 🙂 a game for the more hardcore gamers. nothing requires real $, though i would suggest investing andermants/cot's ONLY in the most useful directions. (and dont rez)
This game is a total waste of time if you don't invest money into it. But if you do, it's a waste of money.
Lags, flawed spells mechanic, unbalanced pvp, lack of end game, repetitive, small, money dependent. No fun at all.
If you are looking for f2p action RPG, wait for PoE.
If you can spend some money on a game, buy a real game, like GW2.
PoE is already on open beta
Drakensang is a joke. Endgame is nothing but grinding thousands of hours in Parallel Worlds-normal game areas turned massively hard- for fragments that barely drop and you'll need a few thousand of them to get this "special" endgame gear set, which by the way has alot less armor value than regular lvl 40 armor. But then they added 2 new levels of gems to BUY that you can upgrade the endgame gear to make it better. But these new gems cost alot of andermant-REAL MONEY-…omg it's such a huge money pit.
I have 3 lvl 40 characters so I know what I'm talking about. The game is pure grinding…over and over again, the same areas to get enough xp to get to the next area for constant repetitive grinding. Drops are seriously crappy now for gear, CoT's, ander and essence since the new area was installed.
Chat is constantly broken, if it works for a month, something happens to it and it's screwed up again for who knows how long. Currently whisper is out again, it's been about a week or more lol.
PvP is seriously unbalanced, it's designed for the pay to play player solely. The free to play people who claim they are excelling at it are liars and are payers. Forum is a joke, controlled by ban happy moderators who do nothing but look for a reason to give you an infraction while avoiding answering game related questions-referring to the standard "The game is a work in progress, devs are aware of it" answer.
Play DSO, it's fun for a while, but after you hit the lvl 30's walk away from it before you put real money into it. Don't fall for the PvP scam unless you need a virtual woody proving your prowess at beating up toons lol.
Things not to buy…The Pet Dragon in store. $20.00 for this thing, gives you +20% xp boost, but you level up so fast it's a waste of money. Useless emotes unless you're rich and stupid and like having a toon that lifts a barbell that cost you $4. Surprise Chests..LOL at 40 ander a pop most times you get crap from them so good luck if you do buy them.
OH and NO TRADE SYSTEM. LOL. Yeah, BigPoint decided player controlled/manipulated markets will never be put into game. So grind Baby grind!! For gear and unique items.
Okay, done now, all i have written is the truth. I still play it once in awhile, waiting for the 4th class and will play it to lvl 40, but after putting a couple hundred onto an account I started when open beta did, I have learned that BigPoint/DSO could care less about the payers or free to play equally.
So I will never again put real money into it.
for someone to sound so negative about it, it sure sounds like you've spent some change on this game…personally, i don't have money to spend on a game. i think that's just retarded to spend real money on a fake game. really, that's just stupid. i'm level 26, and although you have to grind, it's apart of the game – KILLING CHIT, that's why you play, meet a few people, and have fun. Only people with lack of patience and a need to over do it spend money on games. i played evony and did well and never coined, there are plenty of games that you can pay to play to excel faster, but ultimately if you're actually good and got patience can still do well without a dime. it's a decent game and you have 3 players with lvl 40 so, you've been on the thing too much to start complaining now.
Drakensang is a great game, but since they closed the beta, farming isn't possible anymore and that sucks. Now the drops of Andermants, crystals of truth and even of improved gear is very rare, magical gear is very, very rare and extraordinary gear i haven't found one yet. Gems are the most difficult ones to find, but there is an easy way to get them. I have 2 accounts now, the first one is at level 37 and the second is only to login, if you login in every day, you will get 1 chest that contains normally a weapon or gear of your level and 1 pouch of gems, after 30 days you will have 30 chest's and gem's.
That is what i'm doing right now, let's hope that they don't remove that too….
BigPoint does the same shit that they did with battlestar galactica, no goddamn background story, turns a free 2 play, to a pay 2 play, aww man these guys sunk the same ship, TWICE!!! xD
Drakensang rules..I have been a level 40 for a while, skills can beat stats, if a good fighter. You can find, and craft better gear than the purchased gear. Farming will get you full legendary gear..for free, if your not in a hurry to whip every one. AWESOME GAME!
I haven't got very far in this game, but it seems okay.
However, as soon as Path of Exile hits open Beta, I'll be playing that instead. 😛
Diablo's more better than this cause it's hard to level up
in here,so technically this game sucks.
P.S.World of Wacraft is a million times better
than this piece of crap.
of course their better games, they are pay for rather than freeware. (nominally). However WoW is still not a great game. In comparison to EverQuest (original) in its day, before PoP and to a degree before SoL, WoW just doesn't come close I'm afraid. Its Everquest for Kids. Yes its dated now I agree, but it was properly hard and it was harsh when you messed up, it didn't hold your hand in any way, you had to work to achieve things… and what's more because of the downtime you actually interacted with other players when you grouped with them and yes you did have to group. You couldn't play it as a single player game… I got to level 50 in WoW, second time of playing, without grouping once, mainly because I couldn't guarantee how long I was going to be on at any given session, but it made a mockery of the concept of it being multi-player. Sure I didn't have the best equipment but you didn't need it… it didn't matter unless you were doing PvP. I hate easy games, expecially when you pay a significant quantity of money out for them. Of course any MMORG is better value for money than the average single player game of course.
This game is awsome,and realy everybody should play it
no they shouldn't, because then the game would begin to lag like Evony and the rest of those over crowded mmorpgs
this is not browser based.
Yes it is. But you have the choice to play it in a client but it's not necassary .. there is no difference between them
i really like this game so far but im killing time with this game til i get my Path of Exile beta key
This game has really great potential, yes the mechanics we're directly copied from Diablo. That gives it enough familiarity to make it easy to pick up. But the constant disconnections, nonloading characters, and lag deaths, make it frustrating to say the least.. They say there's a server update sometime to day. Hopefully, that's the problems.
should i play this game????????
it's definitely free to try…and i haven't spent a penny yet, level 26 and i don't play all day every day either…the people complaining on here are just upset that their iconic game is becoming outdated and stale…and this game is still in it's beta version.
If you're playing this game because it looks like Diablo, then STOP, it gets kinda expencive as you level up, you can get full access to Diablo for only $60. But if you play this because… idk.. because you're trying to find a new MMO to no-life at, then this is the perfect MMO, thoh, still it's expencive.
this is the best game ever
Well my friend ejoys this game but i really cant say i do myself.
1st of all the game has only a few people ever.
Secondly the game is so quiet that I get bored really easily.
Finally the game has no places where you can do what you want kinda all you do is a quest or just buying somthing.
Yes, it is a good game. I played till level 30. As per the usual "Level 25" rule – you start grinding your levels and at 30 you get three quests and are left to grind the dungeons. I definitely like the music and really like how you can manage many mobs in one go. Some end-game bosses require 4 players and are quite tough. You need lots of crystals to unseal items. So, lots of grind but with some nice extra elements to keep you coming for short playing sessions until you get bored.
i used to play runescape i was level 56 and my name was soundfive5 and ever since i found this new MMORPG
hello go.go.go mmorpg
The game is going to have more classes it's still a beta.
hmmm? im 21 i've read all yuor comms i still say WoW is the bast game on PC ! i've played u pay to play but its cheep and no in game cash needed! 29.99 US cash is Perice 30 really but it beets paying evey week for in game cash! In WoW u fight and loot for in game money or mine like me then u sell it simple someone fine me a realy game thats is really free no hidded bills and i will back u but u must prov it !
This game looks fun im gonna try it out!
I like this game very much, ok pvp isn't the best but pve and quest are really funny, i've spend houres playing without getting bored, some things look like wow, ok wow is 1000000x better but it got some flows of it, i think it is the best brower game cause runescape totaly sucks and drakensang rocks!
drakensang online have got 4 classes in summer
the stupid thing keeps saying i put in the code wrong-.- even though i'm pretty damn sure i didnt
Man UPDATE YOUR JAVASCRIPT!!!!
I get the same as "bijux". Black screen no loading.
i'm starting the game and is a window in mi broswer and is all black … no loading no nothing …what can i do?
If you want to level and get the best gear without paying it's fine, really not too bad. You'll pick up almost all of the equipment you'll need. Just quest till 18-20 and grind the catacombs for tons of blue gear, don't waste on identifying. Combine magic gear into extraordinary into legendary, save all your Andermant and crystals of truth. If your a ranger or SW then you'll need atleast 200 defense before going into the next area, 400+ for a DK. This should be easy just farming magic gear, if you've gone the extra step to get good extraordinary or legendary then 20-28 should be a breeze. If you're going to spend money then don't buy the special armors, only buy the defense accessories and weapon, you pick up better armors. Item drops are specific to your class and you get so many item drops you'll be able to build any way you want. I like full hp/atk ranger and full defense/atk speed DK. Higher attack speed on a DK gives you faster rage and more hits in skills.
It's a good game, but a small game, so of course they offer even experience potions to those who pay to help support and maintain their servers. I'm grinding to reach 40, it gets slow around 20, but if someone might spend $50 on the game, don't buy low level gear to grind with, the game store gear gets better as you go to newer towns and you'll kick yourself because the gear that costs 2200 Andermant per piece, and is only good till lvl 15 and sells for only 9 copper. Save your Andermant for level 15+, 25 if you can, 35 if you want to save it all for current endgame gear.
This game is pretty good for a browser based game in my opinion. There is work needed to it, like the Aderment currency. I believe it is better than a lot of hack and slash games. Hopefully the full and actual game is better. I think the PvP is kinda cool how they did it.
It's not wholly browser based, it's a jar and you can also download a loader and play from your desktop without opening a browser.
hey i made a account and when i entered it it does not need bonus code 🙂
Same here man!
Runescape will always be on top
This game is terrible if your playing on pvp server. You will not be able to level and it consist of you at lvl 3 running away from scumbag lvl 20's who are constantly trying to kill you to make there score better. I was having fun with it until i tried the pvp. Completely ruined the game for me as well as 4 of my friends. Do not play this game unless boring pve is all you want.
Dont waste your time man, the game is hardly worth playing. A better choice would be to buy diablo 3 when it comes because its a 1000x better version of this god awful game. ive gotten the same error before multiple times when im trying to play and it just restarts my client. Plus the servers are dumb and full of stuck up fanboys. especially the pvp servers which basically will shut your character down completely anytime you enter a pvp area becuase you will find yourself spawning in front of a group of lvl 20+ people who will proceed to either kill you or chase you donwn until the monsters do. Pick a different game bud, i gauranteee you will have a better time.
I can feel you're pain bud, but I like Open PvP, I am however a ex Sullon Zek Fanatic and know that many people don't like it, I hate it though when as a high level character I cannot hit a lowbie because the rules say not, its stupid and unrealistic, ganking is part of the game, however you shouldn't be rewarded for it of course.
I play this game regularly, u must just suck at it…it's lags a bit at times but it isn't nearly as bad as you guys are making it seem.
Playing in pvp server is really bad idea… PvE servers are good and if you want, you can toggle PvP on or play in arenas.
I suggest not trying level up ehen playing PvP, it reaally slow.
i really hate this stuff because i put in the regular code and the bonus code and the stupid system said that it was unsuccessful so it really ticked me off and i almost decided to bash my computer hard drive into 20 pieces.
i have been tying to play this game for over two weeks on four different systems, but i continue to get a 3d3dx error dealing with the graphics renderer, so i think its not very cool, i would give this game a 3 out of 10, mainly due to the fact it is buggy beyond reason, and i have updated all drivers it refers to.
And I have played it over year in three different systems, all works with Windows. But if you try to use Wine, it don't work very well…
I just tried it about 5 minutes ago. Mage has a slow firing rate, but other than that, it looked ok in the beginning.
It was until I reached the first town and wanted to identify my loot, that I noticed a LOT of items, including items to ID your loot, costs in game money.
Oh hell no……might as well cost in game money each time you attack. So I say good bye to Drakensang Online forever. 🙂
To be honest mate, the items to identify do drop regularly off MOBs but I tale your point to an extend. That said most of the good MMORGS are fascist when it comes to giving money out. A lesson learned over the years… do not let players have lots of money or the game is ruined.
The problem is the extent to which they expect yo to use adamant more than the in game money… I would much rather pay a $20 monthly subscription than $1:99 to just enter a dungeon a few times and that's before you start on twinking to level and win in PvP.
Idiot! I'm play drakensang since May 2012. And I didn't spend a single dime on this game. You can farm andermants minimum of 600 per HOUR and maximum of 7000 per day depends on your strategy and your level. It's a very good game but some people don't really appreciate it because they have no patience, no common sense and lack of strategy.
I play Drakensang Online too, and it is a money driven game. It's fun until you realize you need to spend alot of money to survive, upgrade your gear, increase inventory slots….etc., it's actually obscenely expensive for what you get. Andermant is the game currency and it runs out fast. You need to constantly buy essence if you want to level up and fight. And it's 4 kinds of essence you run out of.
Max level is 40, I'm almost there and then I guess I'll look for a new game. They are adding what the game dev's call improvements, but until they fix the money problem, alot of people won't stay and play it.
I'm F2P in drakensang. Believe me most P2P players are not that strong, you can farm all the things you need in this game. It's not a driven money game. The problem in most people are, they are very very lazy to farm. Level max will be level 45 soon.
All games that are based from bigpoint are money based games. These guys are ones who try to take anything they can get. If you have 24 hours to farm you heart away by all means go right on ahead and do so. As for most of us only get to play for 2 or 3 hours max and don't get much of anything done. The big issue is this bigpoint is a very imbalanced company where they like people who spend while those who play for free basically have to make a job out of it to make up for It, it turned me away from bigpoint, because of this imbalance. When someone can spend $50 or even $100 they just about get anything they want at the point and don't have to farm like those who play for free. Then you also get those others who just spend like no other and become gods which I feel is unfair to those who are less fortunate.
I agree with someone, I played a lot for over 1 year, and it was ok at the beginning, but it got very money driven when they introduced the perfect gems. Yes you can farm everything as a F2P, even 24/7/365 will not get you anywhere near someone who can put in $20 a month into the game. Even $20 into the game every month will not make you anywhere close to maxing out your gears either. Not to mention those who spend thousands to make a God character. Do the math if you don't believe me. If you just PVE then it's not real bad, it will just take more time to kill everything but if you PVP it's just pointless. To me Drakensang is one of the biggest P2Win that's why I stopped playing it shortly after Perfect Gems came out. Don't get me wrong, I loved just about everything else about the game. I'm not asking for completely free game to play, I understand that the dev's need to make money too. But you have to understand that P2 have an advantage is not the same as P2 be a GOD.
Becoming less and less free to play. if your not paying geting harder to progres.
it only needs java standard :/
If it wsant browser based it would be a lot like Diablo and it still kind of is except there is only 2 classes
it is pretty good but i wish it wasn't browser based and it had more blood
lol, just buy health stone. I started 1 month ago and now I have about 3000 health points.
He says blood like "DIE! SPILL DAT BLOOD, ENEMY!"
Looks good but i heard its browser based.. big turn off. (rune scape should still watch out though)
yeah and 90% of those players are loot and spam bots. He didn't fail, you did by using a bad defense stance.
It's crap because it's laggy, hard to control, lots of rude people and hackers, and when you get killed, your lost all your stuff. I could go on all day long if I want to
Lies all lies. It's a good game, really good for a browser game and you DON'T lose your stuff when you die
Game suxs, to many bots and spammer. Not worth playing. Low playerbase. Can't argue with that.
You are best ever idiot and a hell good liar! First, it's not laggy on my computer. Second, maybe you are the rude one because I'm playing this game for a year now and I didn't encounter a single one. Third, when you get killed, you don't lost all your stuff.
You just called him an idiot while saying the game's userbase isn't rude
you don't LOSE all your stuff lol js
Keep in mind that the whole world uses the internet – and not only native english speakers. So please don't frown or laugh when some posts contain clumsy phrases or wrong spelling. I am from Germany for examole, so be glad that the online community decided on English as a means of communication.
Well, you are an idiot. The guy who second replied the original post spoke about Runescape, not Drakensang…
Actually there is two options to play the game, either you download it or play it through browser.
Worse yet, it's browser base limited only to Windows… WTF!!
It will be available for Apple Mac this year. 2013.
An OS-specific browser-based game defeats the point of being browser-based.
Runescape will ALWAYS fail!! ALWAYS!
this game is actually pretty good, i played in cb.
It looks great but when I downloaded it around last november the screen went completley black so I couldn't even play is it fixed yet?
You need to update your java. 🙂
But mine loads faster when I played through browser.
how can I play trough browser? there's only download option XC
Yeah, it only says to download the game. I don't see anywhere on the site where to play it through your browser.


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The news followed a health scare Monday at the Scotiabank Theater, the main TIFF venue for press and industry screenings during the upcoming September 9-19 festival, after a patron complained of being bitten by the beasties while watching a movie.
Cineplex Entertainment, which runs the Scotiabank Theater, on Tuesday said exterminators and trained sniffing dogs investigated the theater overnight, before concluding the TIFF venue was free of the pests.
"At Cineplex, the safety and security of our guests and staff are our number one concern, which is why we took this claim very seriously and acted immediately," Pat Marshall, vp of communications at Cineplex, said.
Toronto has experienced a bedbug infestation during the recent heat wave, but Cineplex also ventured Scotiabank guests may have jumped to conclusions after high-profile movie theatrers in Manhattan were recently overrun by bed bugs.
"Recent media coverage related to two New York City theaters has caused a flurry of media calls and guest inquiries and unfortunately has lead many people to jump to erroneous conclusions," Marshall said.
"However, we took the matter seriously and fully investigated it," she added.


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text: Whenever it's come up in conversations, I've multiple times been prompted to do a write-up on this, and always felt it required quite a bit of brainstorming to get it done right if it were to be done ..so I'm opening up the door, and here it goes; As has been mentioned many times by the community, and I know I myself have absolutely been one of those who mention it, amidst all the unfounded claims and complaints about Chaos being "OP" because of a set of wargear items available to them that are critically misunderstood among majority of people who complain about them.. as the game is looking to potentially be going in a good direction with hope for the future of it, might as well do some redesigning/revamps of things that don't feel correctly done in both a game-balance sense and a lore-sense. The Chaos "god-marks" and their corresponding Sigil items for veterans. The different marks receive numerous complaints by folks that say "they're the best wargear in the game" and that they're "too LP cheap, only 150LP". Yet people seem to forget every single one of them has pretty sizable drawbacks (that when combined with their benefits, more or less exactly equal the LP cost they have, where the drawbacks retract from the LP price of the benefits by "nerfing" the player). But, this isn't about going into how they seem to be misunderstood and screamed "OP!" at all the time. No, this is about changing the items to not only have class-fitting appeal to them, but also be in line with the lore, and "image" they're supposed to portray, and how it can be made more representative of what they more or less should be. First up, might as well present a list of what the stats are on the different marks and sigils: Mark of Nurgle +20 Health +30 Toughness 60% more Stamina/Fuel Regen delay Sigil of Nurgle +20 Health +30 Toughness 60% more Stamina/Fuel Regen delay +60 Armour Mark of Slaanesh +0.33 Run Speed Multiplier +0.15 Sprint Speed Multiplier 50% Slower Armour Regen delay Sigil of Slaanesh +60 armor +0.33 Run Speed Multiplier +0.15 Sprint Speed Multiplier 50% Slower Armour Regen delay Mark of Khorne +0.15 Ranged Life Steal +0.3 Melee Life Steal +20 Health No downed state, you get "downed" you're instantly dead (losing the "extra" health you have while downed) No healing received from any other source than Life Steal or the occasional Fleshweaver Orb/Warp Crystal by other players that know it's possible to do use it on Khorne-users Sigil of Khorne +0.15 Ranged Life Steal +0.3 Melee Life Steal +20 Health +60 Armour No downed state, you get "downed" you're instantly dead (losing the "extra" health you have while downed) No healing received from any other source than Life Steal or the occasional Fleshweaver Orb/Warp Crystal by other players that know it's possible to do use it on Khorne-users Mark of Tzeentch 15% Health decrease 100% Armour Regen speed 50% less delay before Armour starts regenerating Sigil of Tzeentch 15% Health decrease 100% Armour Regen speed 50% less delay before Armour starts regenerating +60 Armour So now that those are out of the way, onto how to revamp them to be more fitting of what they should be/represent, without jumping on the "just nerf them"-bandwagon many instantly will jump to. And this is where I'm not set in stone on most of the ideas, and as always would want input and ideas about how to make them into what they should be. But to add onto it before I even start to go into each specific change, there is an indea primarily inspired when looking through the Eldar advancements and seeing their vet runes, that'd fit nicely with the marks/sigils, to make them feel more "fitting" when equipped on certain classes. You see, the Eldar have some fantastically designed class-specific veteran items, that give benefits directly desirable for the classes they're for, rather than just generic items with overall application to all the classes that can use it. For instance, the Swooping Hawk's vet rune "Blazing Hawk Rune", it gives +70 Armour and +1 fuel (which is quite fitting so you don't have to worry about too little fuel when you have vet-specific items equipped). Warlock's class specific stat on the rune gives +25 charge, Dire Avenger 30% less Armour Regen delay, Striking Scorpion 15% less Armour Regen delay, Dark Reaper +50 Health & +30 Toughness, Fire Dragon +30 Toughness & 15% less Armour Regen delay, Howling Banshee +80 Health (instead of +70 Armour as all others have) & 20% Life Steal. LSM and Orks also have their own respective types of the same deal in the form of the Halo's and Mega Gob's. Those are quite nice design on bE's part, though obviously apart from Chaos not having it, and would be nice to see applied to Chaos as well. And we were promised quite a while back that advancement trees would be changed up (especially adding sub-faction/chapter specific sections, for chapters like space wolves etc). I'll intentionally leave this specific part of the topic a bit more open, as it's a matter of tuning it for 4 marks, and fitting the marks for the 5 classes (-1, since sorcs can't have MoK/SoK).. and I'm sure @Njord-Halfhand will have plenty to say about MoK/SoK anyways ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) But it should go hand-in-hand with what class it's applied to and what the god the mark is based around should portray. But it's more gonna be a sigil-thing to have additional stats, whereas the class-uniqueness of the marks should be a thing. For instance; Mark of Tzeentch, non-psyker's wearing it get benefits from psyker actions (i.e; like more healing received, and less damage or something from spells etc, or a very Horus Heresy A Thousand Sons type of deal where a "ward" is active for non-psyker's near psykers, which could just be an effect requiring the Icon of Flame on the warparty leader), psykers get psyker related benefits like warp-charge pool being a secondary "protection" and affecting received damage depending on how much warp-charge the user currently has left in the pool. (which could even be where the "hp-%" penalty replacement was, i.e; you have normal survival-stats at full warp-charge like any other class, but drastic Toughness reduction if out of warp-charge. 50% of warp charge gone? 50% of Toughness gone, etc.) But as said previously, I'll leave the stat-part of the marks more or less open to input, but I'm a strong proponent of the following one: Changes to Nurgle; Taking a play out of the TableTop 8th edition play-book Basing Mark of Nurgle on the Nurgle-stuff for Death Guard in 8th edition The more survival stats you have, the slower you move, and vice versa. (Also a "ADAD-counter" if you will) Allowing for cheap items or trinkets or something (that are nurgle-specific items) that give both buffs and drawbacks (rather than the mark itself doing it). +10% hp? -0.1 movement speed modifier +20 toughness? -0.2 run speed modifier etc The harder it is to kill you, the harder it is for you to avoid being hit in close proximity The further away you are, the less ranged attacks do to you, but the harder it is for you the closer you get (though in TT the death guard even have it to the point of it being a chance to completely ignore damage at certain distances away, not sure how that would float on the EC-waters or be designed in game-design terms either, but still a cool concept from TT nonetheless) Disconnecting the stamina-tie-in from the mark/sigil, would mean it wouldn't massively penalize fuel for raptors (as it's using the same system, which should be separate from stamina, but oh well), so we might actually see Nurgle-raptors on the field, and not always MoS, MoK or Shard of Steel Raptors. And as the secondary most complained mark is MoS, it needs to fit with the idea of Slaanesh being the god of excess.. if it's not excessive, it's not slaaneshi. And then it leads onto Mark of Khorne, which is in dire need of redesigning, as it's currently just a quasi-vampire mark for some odd reason. It shouldn't even be Life Steal based at all, but there's A LOT of suggestions possible for it, to get a more appropriate portrayal of Khorne via the mark, that's not tied to Life Steal.. but if the mark had a system like a very small passive health regen over time (like 2hp per second, with a delay just like before armour regen in case of damage having been taken etc), and then adding onto it there could be a "adrenaline"-effect where kills/damage dealt temporarily sped up the HoT via a small buff. Obviously, as said before.. not set in stone on the latter. I do really hope changes to such like this, could be a trend (for all factions) to make the game feel fresh for longer, as new stuff is implemented from the workshop etc as time goes on. Hopefully it could also lead to (when we get the vehicle-customization stuff finally) applying the "god-blessed" function to vehicles (for an example, DoW2 has quite a bit of it as an easy go-to reference to see the gist of it). If it's possible to get a revamp like this going, maybe there's hope for more fitting changes to the other factions as well, more fun gimmicks for Orks would be fantastic etc.


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13 Movies and TV Shows Filmed in Dahlonega
Generally, people move to Florida when they are ready to retire. We did the opposite, Paul and I left Florida and found a gem of a city in the North Georgia Mountains called Dahlonega. This quaint little town has so much to offer it's many visitors and residents. A short little history about the town that let us bring Paul Thomas Chocolates to life, is that Dahlonega was founded in 1828 and was the site of America's first major gold rush. One of our feature chocolate products is actually our Gold Rush Dahlonega chocolate bars. Although the city was founded so long ago, it's resident population has remained small with only 5,242 residents in 2010. Although the community is small, we get the privilege of meeting so many people because Dahlonega is a great tourist spot, and in recent years it has become a popular spot for Hollywood.
Between all of the old eclectic architecture, parks and even the local university, there is plenty of breath-taking scenery to provide for many movie plots and TV shows. In 1915, Dahlonega caught the eye of Hollywood, when two films were filmed in the city, The Plunderer and Life Without Soul. For some reason, Hollywood forgot about Dahlonega and didn't come back for over 85 years, when in 2001 a small Documentary was filmed there called Army Ranger School. A movie here and a movie there would pop up and get filmed here over the course of the next ten years. All of a sudden in 2011, Dahlonega was discovered again by Hollywood and in the past 5 years we have a total of 7 movies and shows filmed in our beautiful town. For a complete list of movies and shows click here
All in all we have had 13 TV Shows and movies filmed here and we just found out about number 14, it's a TV show called Hail Mary that will be aired on NBC. Our building is also going to get a moment of camera time, which is why we will be open on and off this Wednesday and Thursday (March 30th and 31st). Parts of the city will be closed off as well to allow for the filming and there will be over 140 cast members and 200 extra on site. If you are going to be in the city during this time, we hope to see you, but keep in mind that the filming may cause a delay to getting your chocolate for the day. You can still always order your chocolates online anytime!


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Right away I noticed that the grout lines (grout hasn't been added yet) are uneven. Where the corners of 4 tiles line up is uneven (see the pic). And the floor is not level. Since the tiles on the floor aren't level, the bullnose tile used as a baseboard is uneven as well.
When we had the guy, I'll call him Dave, come back to discuss it he said that we were being too picky. But, he didn't put down any grid marks on the floor or start from the middle of the room (so it's not even on both sides) and he measured from the walls (which I'm sure aren't perfect). He also said that our floor just isn't even so the tiles won't be (he didn't tell us this before) and that he started work from the wall because that's how he does it to save time on cutting tile.
We told Dave not to go any further and that we want to "settle up" and negotiate a price for what prep work he did and materials. He said he'd come back and take the whole thing out and call it even. Problem is, if we let him do that, the drywall will get damaged where the bullnose tile is, the ceramic tile will be ruined, we'll have to order new tile at our expense and it won't match in color since it will be another lot. Also, we just don't want him doing anymore work for us no matter what it is.
He feels uncomfortable leaving the tile that is there because he doesn't want us to hire someone else to finish or tear it out and have his work critiqued or picked apart.
His fee was $85 per hour, now I know that flooring guys get paid usually by the square foot. We just want to leave it (but not pay full price) and have my cousin (who used to install flooring for a living) come in and finish the job for less money. I can live with a flawed floor, but not at full price and not by this guy.
We are going to offer him $500 for 3-4 hours of prep work and materials purchased (grout, thin set, and mortar).
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(US) Diane Hubbard -- Remembered
"Taking piano lessons at the Longy School in the early 1960s, Diane Goetz was certainly no stranger to the music of centuries past. Then she met Frank Hubbard, a craftsman who with his friend William Dowd was spurring a revival of the harpsichord.
(NL) Van Wassenaer Festival & Concours -- Announce 2009 Winners
The International Competition of Wassenaer is the world's leading and oldest competition for early music ensembles. The competition has succeeded for over 20 years in young, ambitious ensembles support towards the concert stage. With top musicians in the international jury at the program and the competition has become a festival, with competitions, concerts, master classes and more.
The complete results of the 15th International Competition of Wassenaer 2009:
(FR) Valéry Sauvage Celebrates His 400th YouTube Lute Video
"This is video # 400 !!! Hope you'll enjoy it. Lute made by Stephen Murphy" Visit YouTube to view the more than 400 videos of Valéry Sauvage playing lute: YouTube #400
(PL) The Complete Works of Fryderyk Chopin On Historical Instruments
"Real Chopin: The Complete Works of Fryderyk Chopin on historical instruments is a project realised on historical instruments from Chopin's times: pianos by Erard (Paris, 1849) and Pleyel (Paris, 1848).
(AU) A reconstruction of Siccama's 1-key flute (patent c. 1845)
"In 1845, Abel Siccama submitted a patent illustrating 4 different flutes. One of them was the flute with which his name is now linked, although he at first called it the Diatonic. Thousands of these have been made by Siccama and other makers, assuring him of a permanent place in flute history.
(CN) Giant organs settle on China's piano island -- Chinese Organ Museum
While unclear if period organs do exist in the collection at the newly formed Chinese Museum, the existence of such an institution may prove interesting to our readership.
" XIAMEN, Fujian Province -- Two giant pipe organs have made the journey of thousands of miles from an English church and an American city to a small Chinese island, where locals can now enjoy "the sound of heaven".
(DE) Ramée Label -- Releases CD: O GENTE BRUNETTE
Renaissance singer-composers of Picardy
Odhecaton – Paolo Da Col (direction)
"Between about 1400 and 1550, musical life in Europe was dominated by five generations of musicians born and formed in a well-defined geographical area generally described by musicologists as franco-flemish.
(US) Traverso celebrates its twentieth anniversary with reprints
Traverso, the international newsletter of historical flutes and flute-playing, celebrates its twentieth anniversary by reprinting the entire run of back issues in Volumes 11-20.
(AU) New Lute Music Commissioned by ABC Classic FM
"ABC Classic FM, with the support of ABC Radio Development, commissioned four Australian composers to create new solo works for lute, and commissioned master Australian lutenist Tommie Andersson to work with the composers to bring these new works into being. .."
Visit website for more information and streaming videos: ABC Classic FM
(DE) Frederick the Great's Flute Sounds for First Time in Centuries
(UK) For the further improvement of dancing, translated by John Essex
DanceBooks.co.uk announce the availability of "For historical dance enthusiasts we have a reprint of John Essex's translation of Feuillet's 'For the further improvement of dancing' "
Visit site for more information: DanceBooks (Early Dance Section)
(FR) Natalia Valentin, Rondos & Bagatelles (Beethoven) -- Paraty Label
Paraty Label announce the newly pressed CD of fortepianist Natalia Valentin "Beethoven Rodos & Bagatelles" performed on a XVIIIth century German fortepiano (anonymous maker) restored Christopher Clarke.
Visit either of these websites for more information and video/sound excerpts: Paraty Label or Natalia Valentin
(US) BEMF Orchestra makes European début
On Friday, September 25, 2009, the BEMF Orchestra, under the leadership of Paul O'Dette and Stephen Stubbs, made its European début as the first concert on the 2009-2010 season presented by the Centre de Musique Baroque de Versailles (CMBV), one of the most celebrated and prestigious venues for period performance in Europe. The grandeur of the historic Manège de la Grande Ecurie of the Palace of Versailles provided the perfect backdrop for this nearly sold-out concert of music by Jean-Philippe Rameau and Jean-Baptiste Lully with guest soprano Carolyn Sampson (star of our 2007 Festival opera and subsequent Grammy-nominated recording, Psyché by Lully).
(ES) Ars Hispana - Spanish music editions
Ars Hispana is a project dedicated to the recovery of the Spanish musical patrimony through the publication of studies and work editions, mainly unpublished, composed from 16th to 19th centuries
(NL) Lute lessons on YouTube -- David van Ooijen, lutenist
David van Ooijen, lutenist, has made some Lute lessons available on YouTube. Follow the following link to view the more than 20 lessons here:
(UK) Dansons la Morvandelle! (2nd Edition) (Hurdy-Gurdy) (Mike Gilpin, author) -- recently published
A collection of traditional French dance tunes from the Morvan region of France.
The first edition sold out some time ago, but the 2nd edition, published by "Mally's Traditional Music Store" is now available.
Visit website for more information: HurdyGurdy.biz (under "Tunebook")
(DE) Early Music Workshop Trossingen (Oct. 8-11, 2009)
(FR) Festes de Thalie et d'Orpheon Festval and Worskhops (April 10-24, 2010)
The newsletter from "Festes de Thalie et d'Orpheon" informs of their upcoming Festival and Workshop series for April 2010.
(US) Peter Sykes, Performer and instrument collector
An interesting article on Peter Sykes (Cambridge, MA, USA) and his instrument collection published in the Boston Globe.
Follow this link to view the article: Peter Sykes (Boston Globe)
(IT) Verso Bach: The Keyboard Music in Germany Before Bach
Saturday, October 31st 2009
Basilica di San Pietro
Borgo XX giugno, Perugia (Italy)
6 p.m.
Giuseppe Schinaia, organ and harpsichord
Free admission
(US) Towards Bach: The Harpsichord in Germany Before Bach -- Concert (Oct. 4/2009)
Giuseppe Schinaia, Harpsichord
(October 4, 2009 at 3 pm)
First Presbyterian Church
6400, Kimbark Ave
Chicago IL
(ES) The International Symposium on Spanish Keyboard Music "Diego Fernández" (FIMTE) (Oct. 8-10 2010)
(ES) "Domenico Scarlatti en España" FIMTE Publications (Jun. 2009)
FIMTE Publications announce the publication of "Domenico Scarlatti en España" edited by Luisa Morales.
(ES) Spanish Keyboard Music & Bolero Dance (International Festival of Spanish Keyboard Music) (Oct 8-12/2009)
Along with this year's theme at the 10th International Festival of Spanish Keyboard Music
"Diego Fernández" courses in harpsichord and dance are being taught.
(UK) Dolmetsch Summer School (Aug. 2 - 8/ 2009)
"Dolmetsch Recorder Course 2 - 8 August 2009
under the auspices of
XIIth Musical Summer at Llandovery College, Carmarthenshire, Wales
International Music Course With Languages, Classical Music & Jazz
Llandovery College was endowed in 1847 and opened at a time when the quality and quantity of education in Wales left much to be desired. A philanthropic desire to provide good education in Wales was one potent reason for Thomas Phillips' action.
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Coming Attraction
Aliyah is a 20 year old college student who has lived a sheltered life until she left home to go away to college. Leroy is a 24 year old ex-convict and aspiring rapper who has a nasty reputation on the street. The paths of these two dissimilar characters cross late one night when some homies with beef against Leroy beat him within an inch of his life. A friendship, and subsequently a romantic relationship develops between the two unlikely characters with some very unsettling consequences.


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Release Date: 2006 |
Nathaniel (2)Like moldy fruit...SaintAndrews (2.5)It's a rush that can't be explained. It's also a rush better left unexplained....Brad Acord (4.5)Nostalgia, Catchiness, Emotion and Heaviness...DarthMann (0.5)Escape the Fate release a mediocre debut. It's not all bad, front-man Ronnie is a shining ...
ToWhatEnd (3)...ThePalaceOfWisdom (1.5)Who's up for a whine and cheese party?...RadD (1.5)Are You Kiding Me, This Is The Biggest Waste Of Money...Morningstar98 (3.5)"Escape the Fate isn't scared of the stagnant waters of Rock today, and they love it t...
RyanStagno (3)A solid album with enough variety in the tracks to appeal to anybody even vaguely interest...
Album Rating: 1.51.5 'cause it tries.
Agree on just about everything. Pos
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Album Rating: 1.5^ I know, right? SIXTY FIVE 5's? /facepalm.
There is no hope for humanity.
Album Rating: 1.5Indeed not.
Album Rating: 2.5^^ Fucking A man. Just goes to show you that A LOT of people are easily impressed.
Album Rating: 1.0Better than Court of the Crimson King and Dark Side of the Moon rite
Album Rating: 2.0There are a couple songs I like, mostly because of nostalgia and stuff. Admittedly, it's been a while since I've given even those ones a listen.
That album cover pisses me the fuck off. That alone would be enough to drive me away from this if i hadnt known a damn thing about the music itself.
Btw, i looked at their band page on here, and their self-titled's album cover is possibly worse. It looks like a really gay and disgusting cross between the covers of I Get Wet and Queen II.
Album Rating: 3.5Nostalgia. And My Apocalypse/There's No Sympathy are fucking good songs
Album Rating: 1.0 | Sound OffOh dear. Just no, dude.
I think you might get a few poS
Album Rating: 1.5horrid album
Album Rating: 3.5fuck yall
Album Rating: 1.5Actually, There's No Sympathy and My Apocalypse might be some of the worst songs on here.
^whole album.
This whole band is gay. Even their relatives are stupid. I played in a band for a brief period of time with one of the guy's cousins. The kid was a crappy drummer, an self-indulgent pothead, and just a douche in general. He locked our guitarist in a closet and wouldn't let him out.
I hated that kid.
Anyway, good review. This band is horrid.
Album Rating: 1.5^ hahaha, why am I not surprised? XD
Bands: A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z


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Wednesday, February 16, 2011
i'm not dumb. that's not your boob.
Going back to work had been such a breeze that first week. My husband stayed home, which was great. I ran home about lunchtime to nurse Baby Girl, and she drank pumped milk from a bottle the rest of the time. It was all good. Happy, shiny people.
And then the ear infection came.
I don't know if it's the infection, or the antibiotics (which, among other things, has been causing Massive Diaper Blowouts the likes of which are going to turn her bedroom into a Superfund cleanup site), or just her little stubborn personality making its first grand appearance, but she has suddenly decided, after months of being fine with it, that she is NOT going to drink from the bottle. No, no, no, no, no, Mom. NOT. DOING. IT.
She gets the bottle in her mouth and tongues it around for awhile before realizing, "Hey, this isn't a real boob; this is some kind of rubber fake boob and IT IS REALLY PISSING ME OFF." And while I'm glad that she's not a fan of fake boobs, the bottle-refusal piece is problematic.
We've tried dipping the nipple in sugar water, which worked once, and then she seems to have figured that out. Sometimes she'll take it if I start her by nursing and then slip her onto the bottle, but that doesn't really fix the whole "Mom needs to work and you have to eat without her sometimes" thing.
Any ideas? I welcome advice of all kinds.
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My son refused the bottle for a time too - but our pediatrician gave us awesome news. Babies won't starve themselves. If all that is offered is a bottle, they will eventually eat. Now, the day that we choose to only offer him a bottle was a really long, long, long day, but eventually he ate. It is not fun, but you will get through it and she will soon be taking a bottle without a thought.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousFebruary 16, 2011 at 2:51 PM
Heheh. If you figure this out, please let me know your solution. H has refused a bottle since week 4 when he figured out that he was being offered an inferior product.ReplyDelete
I've never had to deal with this personally, and you may have already tried it, but have you tried switching nipples/bottles? There are so many out there shaped completely differently...ReplyDelete
Good luck! (And I agree with Christy - she won't let herself starve to death!)
Paisley won't accept bottles either and we've been trying for 4 months. So I obviously never figured it out... Good luck!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousFebruary 17, 2011 at 12:17 PM
Ugh! Hazel is 4 months and stopped taking the bottle a month ago, right before I went back to work. Looking for information on the web was super frustrating, as far as I could tell, the advice was to try every possible combination of bottle type, nipple, feeding position, time of day, person feeding, etc, etc. What we ended up doing was sending 4 different bottles, each with pumped milk to daycare with her every day. She took maybe 2 oz from a bottle that first week, which meant she was PISSED. OFF. when she got home in the evenings, and spent the entire evening nursing to get her calories in. The next week was a little better, she took more like 4-5 oz and we were able to figure out which bottle she would take (First Year's Breast Flow). This week, she took closer to 8 oz a day - she's there for 9 hours. Not as much as she eats when I'm home to feed her, but enough that she's not screaming bloody murder when I get home. Honestly, though, our success, such as it is, comes mainly from the daycare providers who are amazingly patient and don't even seem to hate me for bringing in a baby who won't eat.ReplyDelete
I can't wait until she starts on solids and will maybe (I hope) eat more of that during the days.
I have heard that some kids will be willing to eat from a sippy cup or regular cup rather than a bottle.
Good luck, this is seriously one of the most frustrating and stressful things I've dealt with as a mother.
My son is about to be 4 months and will take the breast and Born Free bottles. but only that type of bottle!ReplyDelete
I had this same problem when I had to go back to work about a month ago. Luckily, my daughter is staying with my mom. My mom was able to get her to take a bottler, whereas my husband and I were not able to do so. Now she is a champ. I was prepared to quit breast feeding entirely if switching between the 2 continued to be an issue, but that has not been the case for us.ReplyDelete
I have no advice for the bottle refusal, my boys would eat anything they could get in their mouths (and still do!) but for the diaper blow outs you might want to put her on a probiotic. Those antibiotics can really mess up their poor little bellies and probiotics can only help, not hurt. Ask your pharmacist for the best ones for babies :)ReplyDelete