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Little Theater elects new board members
Hendersonville Little Theater elected six new board members at its annual meeting on April 28.
Linda Brookes will lead as president. Charlotte Overbaugh was selected to be volunteer coordinator, and Bobby Foster will run facilities. Ronnie Pepper will take over strategic planning, and Mike Covell and Ed Roberts are new trustees.
Returning board members are Marc Paulhus, treasurer; Carol Davis, secretary; Sue Kamerick, patron membership; Kai Elijah Hamilton, artistic director; Jonathan Forrester, executive producer; John Arnett, technical director; Kelly Barnett, publicity; and Alan Ehrlich, trustee.
"The Importance of Being Earnest" by Oscar Wilde is the theater's next production, opening June 14 and running Thursdays through Sundays until June 30. The Little Theater is at 229 S. Washington St.
Library to host storyteller Wednesday
Storyteller Gary Carden will perform at 6 p.m. Wednesday in the Kaplan Auditorium of the Henderson County Public Library at 301 N. Washington St.
Carden will share folk stories, myths and legends based on Appalachian culture.
Noted North Carolina author Lee Smith said, "Gary Carden is a national treasure — an Appalachian Garrison Keillor. Half the time, I can't decide whether to slap my knee or burst into tears. The stories are little miracles: sweet, sad, funny and smart."
Carden's stories appeal to people of all ages and backgrounds.
The event is free, and doors open at 5:30 p.m.
Bookfest to host children's events
The fifth annual Blue Ridge Bookfest will take place Friday and Saturday at Blue Ridge Community College Henderson County campus. The featured authors will represent a wide array of genres and include award winners, best-selling authors, renowned scholars, children's writers, and writers of fiction, nonfiction and poetry.
New this year, the Youth Services staff of the Henderson County Public Library will present a puppet show at 10:30 a.m. Saturday featuring "Goldilocks and the Three Bears" and "Hansel and Gretel." The show will be followed by a handmade book craft project. These activities will be open to children ages 3 to grade five. Children's authors Scotti Cohn and Loretta Hayward will read to the kids at 10 a.m. and 1 p.m., respectively.
Visit www.blueridge bookfest.org for more information.
Book appraisals
Chandler Gordon, proprietor of The Captain's Bookshelf in Asheville and an expert on antiquarian books, will appraise books on Saturday from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. at Blue Ridge Community College during Bookfest.
Attendees are invited to bring their rare books that are in good shape for his inspection. A $3 fee per book is required.
Annual arts festival downtown on Saturday
The 10th annual Saluda Arts Festival is set for 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Saturday on historic Main Street.
The event will feature more than 90 artists and craftsmen, music, the children's art tent, art and craft demonstrators, and food from local restaurants.
Sponsored by the Saluda Business Association, this year's festival is dedicated to the late artist Johnny Waddill, who permitted the festival's organizers to use his painting to brand the Saluda Arts Festival.
Entertainment schedule:
u 11 a.m.: Magician and TV personality Jack Roper
u 11 a.m.: Spring concert from the Dancer's Extension at Saluda School
u Noon: Sol Driven Train children's concert
u 1 p.m.: Clay Ross Band with Brazilian-style rhythms
u 3 p.m.: Sol Driven Train, a five-piece band based in Charleston, S.C., will perform
Visit saluda.com for more information.
TFAC to host sculptors' panel discussion
Tryon Fine Arts Center will host a special evening with four area sculptors — Stoney Lamar, Dustin Farnsworth, Dale McEntire and Dale Weiler — from 6-7:30 p.m. Tuesday.
The artists will discuss their art and the process of creation in a panel discussion format. The event is part of the Sculpture 2013 exhibit on display in the building and on the grounds at Tryon Fine Arts Center until May 30.
Lamar of Saluda has contributed skill and vision to the world of wood turning for more than 25 years. A retrospective of his career, "A Sense of Balance," is on display at the Asheville Art Museum.
Farnsworth, a resident artist at Penland School of Arts and Crafts, is a sculptor whose work examines the relationship between human beings and their physical and mental environment.
Weiler of Tryon describes himself as a sculptor of stone. He chose this medium because of the "feel of the stone" and the technical challenge of working with probably the most demanding and unforgiving medium of all art forms.
McEntire produces both oil and pastel paintings and sculpture (stone, steel, glass, bronze) out of his studio in Saluda. His interest in the spiritual essence of nature can be seen in his use of color and form.
There is no charge for the sculptor panel discussion; donations will be accepted at the door. Light refreshments will be served.
Call 828-859-8322 or visit www.tryonarts.org for more information.
'Play' exhibit opens
The Asheville Art Museum at 2 S. Pack Square will host a reception from 5-7 p.m. Friday for "Play," an exhibit opening in the museum's East Wing.
As the name suggests, "Play" explores themes of leisure, play and creativity and includes many works from the museum's permanent collection.
The family-friendly opening reception will include special entertainment provided by the Asheville Hoops Troupe, face painting by Asheville Face & Body Painting and interactive games by O.P. Taylor's of Asheville. Sweet treats and refreshments for all ages will also be provided. Children, families and visitors of all ages are encouraged to attend.
"Play" also acknowledges the role that playful activity has as a primary source of cognitive development in a child's life, through which basic social skills are learned and carried into adulthood. The act of play is also recognized for its relaxing and stimulating qualities, and as a means to make work more productive and pleasurable.
"Play" will be on display through Sept. 29. Visit www.ashevilleart.org for more information.
Flat Rock
Enrollment underway for YouTheatre classes
YouTheatre at Flat Rock Playhouse, sponsored by Mission Health, is enrolling students in summer classes.
Disciplines include acting, playwriting, musical theater, improv, dance, claymation and stage combat.
Highlights of the summer classes include the YT Summer Vagabonds for grades five-12, which will have students performing a children's play that will tour locally to branches of the Henderson County Public Library system.
This tour is part of the Collaborative Summer Library Program, a consortium of states working together to provide high-quality summer reading program materials for children at the lowest cost possible for their public libraries. The campaign is called "Dig Into Reading." Performances will take place the week of June 24.
Hendersonville High School drama teacher Todd Weakley will be leading the Twelve Point Five Playwriting Blast for grades seven-12. Playwrights in this camp will be faced with a blank page. Students will collaborate, improve, create, write, direct and perform an original play in 12.5 hours.
East Hendersonville High School drama teacher Zach Walker will lead On the Spot! Improvisational Camp for grades six-12. Students will learn the basic rules of improvisation in group and solo acting exercises, by playing games and performing in short skits in which students work without a script. They will also learn how to use improv skills for working in traditional plays and musicals.
YouTheatre alumna Kylee Odom will be teaching Broadway Musical Choreography to grades six-12. This is an opportunity to learn choreography from Broadway musicals.
Classes are also available for younger students, such as YT Workshop Camp for grades one-six. This morning camp allows students to experience all forms of theater arts, including music, movement, creative arts, drama games and more.
Grades five-12 can take part in a workshop called Hip-Hop. This intense master class will let students experience why hip-hop has become one of the most popular dance forms.
Visit www.ytrocks.com for more information.
Camera club meeting
The Carolina Camera Club meeting is set for 6:30 p.m. May 21 in the Mahler Room of Tryon Fine Arts Center.
At the meeting, members will be making decisions on which photographs to show and asking questions about final preparation touches.
Doug Nikau also will present a video that shows how to blend two images of different exposures and extends the dynamic range of a single image. The video also shows how to replace skies in a photograph.
Carolina Camera Club meetings are open to anyone interested in photography.
Writers' workshop events listed
The Writer's Workshop at 387 Beaucatcher Road, Asheville announces the following upcoming events:
uThursday-May 19: The annual Writer's Retreat at Folly Beach near Charleston, S.C., for beginning or experienced writers of fiction, plays, nonfiction or memoirs. The all-inclusive rate, except for meals, is $498 for a private room, or $450 share. The commuter rate is $55 per day.
u The 25th annual Hard Times Contest, open to any writer in the U.S., is accepting entries of 4,000 words or less postmarked by June 30. The entry fee is $20 for workshop members and $25 for nonmembers. Guidelines are posted online at www.twwoa.org
Call 828-254-8111 or email email@example.com for more information.
Craft Guild fiber weekend ends today
The Southern Highland Craft Guild fiber weekend continues through today at the Folk Art Center on the Blue Ridge Parkway in east Asheville.
Craftsmen will be sharing their inspiration and expertise about textile arts.
Today, the Folk Art Center's auditorium will be transformed into a runway for the 14th annual Fashion Show of Wearable Art. Fiber artist Liz Spear will be mistress of ceremonies for the event. Styles showcased will range from contemporary to traditional, from funky to classic, made by members of the Southern Highland Craft Guild and other regional artists.
Throughout the fashion show, Spear will explore fiber art processes and focus on the various schools and studios in the area that offer classes in textiles. There will be two showings of the fashion show, at 1 and 3 p.m.
In upcoming events, the Folk Art Center Clay Day is set for 10 a.m.-4 p.m. June 1. The free event will features craft demonstrations and hands-on activities for children and adults.
The fiber weekend and clay day are free events. Call 828-298-7928 or visit www.craftguild.org for more information.
Poetry contest accepting entries
Anyone who has ever written a poem is eligible to enter the Free Poetry Contest sponsored by Poetryfest, a nonprofit organization devoted to discovering new poets and helping them achieve a wider audience for their poetry.
One hundred prizes will be awarded, and the last poet standing will receive a $1,000 cash reward.
The rules are simple: Send one poem of 21 lines or fewer to Free Poetry Contest, P.O. Box 3561, Ashland, OR 97520, or enter online at www. freecontest.com.
The deadline to enter is June 10.
Those sending entries should include their name and address on the same page as the poem. A winners' list will be sent to all entrants, along with a free copy of the contest director's popular essay, "How to Win a Poetry Contest."
Email email@example.com for more information.
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Little Theater elects new board members


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Jimmie Nez Jr. had jumped around to a few different jobs during his four years in Durango, but found himself looking for work when a seasonal job with a traffic company ended in spring.
Nez, a veteran of the U.S. Marine Corps, reached out to the Southwest Colorado Workforce Center. There, Gabe Torres, the disabled veteran outreach coordinator, helped get Nezs application priority review among some employers, paid for safety classes and bought him equipment that he eventually needed when he was hired by GCC Energy, which owns the King Coal II mine near Hesperus.
Nez said he probably wouldnt have gotten the job without the help.
They got me squared away, Nez said. Its hard work, but it is good money, and I love the job.
But employment is only one piece of the puzzle to help veterans find stability here. Another fundamental piece is housing.
To this end, three grants awarded to Volunteers of America and Housing Solutions this summer are helping veterans by connecting them to resources in the community, with a primary focus on stable, affordable housing.
The need for more housing resources for veterans in the area is visible from several angles, though its hard to know exactly how many of the almost 4,400 veterans in the county are homeless.
Rich Schleeter, La Plata Countys veterans service officer, calculated that two years ago, 21 percent of the veterans seeking benefits at the veterans service office were very low income.
And between 70 and 80 adults who seek shelter at the Durango Community Shelter each year are veterans, which works out to more than 15 percent of the shelters guests, said Sarada Leavenworth, division director for Volunteers of America, which runs the shelter.
When veterans dont have a roof over their heads, it makes it even more difficult to tackle other issues such as employment, medical needs or child care, Leavenworth said.
If our veterans dont have a stable and safe place to live, all of these other barriers come up right away, she said. With their basic needs met, then people can really blossom and pursue other goals like finding better employment and child care.
Connecting vets with resources
Volunteers of Americas Durango division can take a two-pronged approach to addressing veteran homelessness because of two different grants from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs.
The first program is aimed at veterans experiencing homelessness. The Department of Veterans Affairs will fund eight beds at the Durango Community Shelter as well as a case manager dedicated to helping them achieve self-sufficiency.
Another $160,000 one-year grant serves veterans and veteran families who are at risk of being homeless or have recently become homeless. One full-time case manager and one part-time employment specialist work with clients to provide anything that helps them find and keep affordable housing.
That may mean helping with rent, child care or access to their full benefits. The education and employment specialist will help veterans prepare for and conduct job searches or connect with educational opportunities.
Added to the mix is a $43,000 grant awarded to Housing Solutions for the Southwest by the Colorado Department of Military and Veterans Affairs. The grant allows Housing Solutions to give one-time assistance equal to about one months rent to veterans in the five southwestern Colorado counties the nonprofit serves, said Elizabeth Salkind, executive director. The money is well-suited to aid veterans receiving help through the Volunteers of America grant programs.
A rural focus
Salkind said she doesnt think it is a coincidence that three grants focused on veterans services were awarded to Durango organizations within three months of each other.
The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs identified rural areas as a place where gaps exist in services and under the Obama administration, the department made a goal to end homelessness among veterans by 2015.
Meanwhile, Durango nonprofits, including Housing Solutions and Volunteers of America, have together decided to make a more concerted effort toward addressing veteran homelessness, said Jennifer Lopez, executive director of Regional Housing Alliance. The housing alliance is also working on the issue with $75,000 in grant money from BP that will be used to build housing capacity for special-needs populations and veterans.
Leavenworth said the VA is choosing to try our community out in terms of what we can accomplish, she said. If service providers are successful, this likely will lead to more support in the future, Leavenworth said.
Its necessary to establish programs that address veterans specifically because of their unique issues, officials said.
Many veterans, especially those who fought in Vietnam, distrust the system meant to help them, said Craig McCormack, the veteran advocate with the Supportive Services for Veteran Families program.
Post-traumatic stress disorder also is a major obstacle, said Torres, at the Colorado Workforce Center. According to the VA, 11 percent to 20 percent of veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and 30 percent of Vietnam War veterans suffer from PTSD.
Torres said he sees a lot more amputees from todays wars because of weaponry such as projectiles and roadside bombs.
Several programs, including the Volunteers of America, recruited veterans to head their veteran outreach efforts in order to better connect with and relate to these perspectives. Torres served 20 years as a U.S. Navy submariner and McCormack served for five years with the U.S. Army.
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JanaLee Skiles of Butler and Jeffrey Goldenberg of Howard Beach, N.Y., were united in marriage Oct. 27 at Lenape Heights Golf Course and Banquet Facility in Ford City. The Cantor Michele Gray-Schaffer officiated. A reception followed at Lenape Heights.
The bride is the daughter of William and Polly Skiles of Butler. Parents of the bridegroom are Steven and Barbara Goldenberg of Howard Beach.
The honor attendants were Kristie Hynniman of Tennessee and Erica Yurkovich of Butler. Bridesmaids included Holly Huseman, Jessica Fillinger, Christina Karl, Candace Corso, Kristin Wafford and Felicia Goldenberg.
Performing the duties of best man was William Goldenberg of Howard Beach. Ushers included William Emmerson, Tyler Emmerson, Frank Santore, Zack Sporen, Matthew Alfieri, Tommy Freeman and Keith Metz.
The bride is a 2008 graduate of Butler High School and a 2012 graduate of Purdue University with a degree in chemical engineering.
She is employed by Air Products and Chemicals in Allentown.
The bridegroom graduated from Academy of the American Studies in 2001 and is a 2005 graduate of Plattsburgh State University with a degree in marketing and business.
He is employed by Rowe Chiropractic Office in Manhattan, N.Y.
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WoW Patch 5.4
Guide Version 1.0.4
TL;DR: 5.3 -> 5.4 Changes
Current Theorycrafting Results. Please note that this is subject to change in the very near future as I experiment more!
These results are based off of what we can expect in the first few weeks of the tier. These are T15H results, not T16H.
Single Target:
- RoF is still worth casting on one target under high-haste situations, such as Sinister Primal/Haste Procs + Hero, or when moving over Fel Flame.
- Burning Primal is now better (slightly) than Sinister Primal
- This is no longer true! (The optimal rotation involves only using Incinerate under Backdraft or Hero/Haste Procs. Fill with Fel Flame otherwise.)
- GoSup/Serv/Sac are all roughly even
- Mastery >= Crit >> Haste. This is the best reforging setup I've found.
- Specific pet values are incoming, but I have not finished these yet.
Beginning of 5.4 Destro Discussion
Anything under this point of the guide is still 5.3.
- Destruction Abilities [Read this for rotational information!]
- Single Target
- Cleave
- AoE
- Cooldowns
- Stat Priorities and Pet Choice [Read this for gearing/stat philosophies!]
- 1 & 2 Target Pet/Grimore Comparison Chart
- Grimoire of Supremacy/Service
- Grimoire of Sacrifice
- General Rotation
- What to Avoid and How to Fix Them
- My Personal Starting Rotation
- Gearing/Gemming
- Useful Addons
- Get a More Noticeable Rain of Fire
- TL;DR: 5.1 → 5.2 Changes
- Afterword
Single Target:
Immolate is a 2sec casted dot which requires your character to be looking at the cast's target when the cast starts, and when the cast finishes. You can look away briefly while the cast is going.
Immolate critical ticks will provide 1 emberbit.
Immolate increases the damage done by Rain of Fire by 50% on affected targets.
Immolate should only be cast on targets that will stay alive long enough that 2 ticks will get off. (This is 6 seconds with no haste, but closer to 5 with common haste values)
Conflagrate deals instant damage (slightly more than Incinerate) and has 2 charges. Each charge recharges every 12 seconds.
By default Conflagrate will provide a 50% snare on the target if Immolate is on the target. With Glyph of Conflagrate Immolate is no longer required and Conflagrate will always snare.
Generates 1 emberbit on hit. Generates 2 emberbits on crit.
Conflagrate provides 3 stacks of Backdraft. Backdraft stacks up to 6 times and reduces the cast time and mana cost of your next Incinerate (consuming 1 stack) or Chaos Bolt (consuming 3 stacks).
Conflagrate should be kept with 0 or 1 charge only. If you let Conflagrate sit on 2 charges you are losing Conflagrate casts. You should aim to only cast Conflagrate when you know that you will be able to get down to < 2 backdraft stacks before your next Chaos Bolt, and you are at 3 or less Backdraft stacks. You do not want to cast Chaos Bolt with more than 2 Backdraft Stacks as the reduction in cast time and mana cost is much better when used with Incinerate.
Incinerate is Destruction's filler. You must be facing the target when the cast begins, as well as when it ends.
Incinerate generates 1 emberbit on hit. Generates 2 emberbits on crit.
Incinerate consumes 1 stack of Backdraft.
Incinerate should be cast when you have nothing else more important to do. Bind this to a easy to use button as you'll be using it a lot.
Chaos Bolt:
Chaos Bolt is Destruction's ember consumer while the target is above 20%. It always critical strikes and crit chance increases it's damage significantly.
Chaos Bolt consumes 3 stacks of Backdraft, if available, and benefits from the reduced cast time. This should be avoided however.
Chaos Bolt consumes all 3 stacks of Havoc. This however is a very, very good use of your Havoc stacks.
Chaos Bolt benefits significantly from temporary Crit and Intellect buffs. You should aim to only cast Chaos Bolt with a temporary buff of some sort. You do NOT want to cap on Embers however, and should you reach 3 to 3 and a half Embers you should cast a chaos bolt ASAP. If you are generating embers at a significant rate for some reason, you may need to cast a Chaos Bolt earlier than 3 to 3.5 Embers.
Shadowburn is Destruction's ember consumer while the target is below 20%. It does not always crit.
Shadowburn consumes 1 stack of Havoc and is the best use of Havoc stacks, should you be able to take advantage of it. (More on this under the Havoc section)
Shadowburn returns 15% of your mana after 5 seconds. This comes in the form of a debuff on the target. If the target dies while the debuff is on the target, you gain back the ember you spent, as well as an additional ember!
You should aim to save 3 to 3.5 Embers going into 20% health. As you don't want to cap on Embers you should cast at least one to keep yourself from being capped. The best use of Shadowburn in execute range involves saving up 3-4 Embers for when you'll have most of your trinket procs. It's at this point that you should pot and spam Shadowburn. There is no point in immediately burning all your Embers on Shadowburns the second the boss hits 20%. Save them and wait for the best time to use them.
A sleight caveat to the above is if the fight provides a Havoc target under 20% health and you can potentially get more than 1 Havoc off during the execute phase. In this case you should use your 3 embers on the target as soon as you can Havoc, and then begin saving up 3 more for the next havoc cycle. Being able to cast 12 unbuffed/slightly buffed Shadowburns is better than only being able to cast 6 buffed Shadowburns.
Fel Flame:
Fel Flame is Destruction's filler while moving. It does around half the damage as an Incinerate and costs significantly more mana.
It generates 1 emberbit on hit, and 2 emberbits on crit.
Havoc is a 0.5sec GCD instant spell which when applied to a target provides 3 stacks of Havoc on the player. When a single-target spell is cast on a different target than the one with Havoc on it, the casted spell will also hit the target with Havoc on it. It has a 25 second cooldown and the buff lasts 15 seconds.
This includes (but not limited to) Curses, Immolate, Incinerate, Conflagrate, Fel Flame, Chaos Bolt.
The best use of havoc is at first glance easy, but at second glance rather complicated and requires significant foresight. The easy answer is to cast the spell(s) that will do the most damage with each stack of Havoc. The more complicated answer is as follows:
Chaos Bolt is the best use of all 3 Havoc stacks when casted off of a mob that is above 20% health onto a mob that will take the full damage of the Chaos Bolt.
Shadowburn is the best use of each havoc stack when casted off of a mob that is below 20% health.
If you are able to cast at least 1 Shadowburn and consume the rest of the stacks by cleaving Incinerates then that is better than casting 1 Chaos Bolt.
A thing to keep in mind is that the target you are casting on does not have to be the same for every stack of Havoc. You can easily cast Havoc on a high-health mob and then cleave 3 Shadowburns off of 1, 2, or 3 different low health mobs. A prime example of this being done is H Feng the Accursed and shield phase.
Also, spells copied to another mob by Havoc do not obey the same rules as the original. Range does not matter, however the distance at which a spell will no longer be copied seems to be 80-100 yards. (Spells cast on an Echo and copied to Imperial Vizier Zor'lok do not transfer from the center of the first platform, to the center of the second.) Line of Sight and Facing requirements also do not matter. The spells will be copied to the Havoc'd target.
Rain of Fire:
Rain of Fire is a fire-and-forget AoE spell that lasts 8 seconds with a high mana cost. It deals 50% additional damage if the target it hits is affected by Immolate. It ticks every 1 second.
Casting more than one Rain of Fire in one location has no effect. Rain of Fire ticks once per second in the area affected by Rain of Fire. If a rain of fire is in more than one location than each is separate and ticks according to when it was cast. If a second rain of fire shares some space with one that was placed first, the area that is being hit by both ticks according to the one placed most recently. Once the first Rain of Fire runs out it switches to the tick-time of the most recently placed Rain of Fire in that area. Below is an illustration of what I'm talking about.
Rain of Fire's damage is considered periodic. It can proc trinkets like Light of the Cosmos, who's proc is based off of periodic damage.
Rain of Fire has a chance to generate 1 emberbit on targets it hits. This no longer includes immune targets.
Rain of Fire is a small DPS increase to use in the single target rotation, assuming that the target will take every tick of the Rain of Fire, one's not already there, and you have nothing more important to cast than an Incinerate. (An incinerate can be more important to cast if, for example, without casting the incinerate your next Chaos Bolt will consume 3 stacks of Backdraft) (Source)
Rain of Fire is a significant DPS increase on 2 targets that will stay in the Rain of Fire for more than half it's duration.
Rain of Fire on >3 targets will cause you to gain so many emberbits that you can likely almost spam Chaos Bolt as your filler.
Rain of Fire on >7 targets will cause you to gain so many emberbits that you can easily spam Shadowburn given the opportunity.
Area of Effect:
Fire and Brimstone:
Fire and Brimstone is Destruction's AoE ember consumer. It is on a separate GCD from all other spells. Activating Fire and Brimstone (FnB) consumes 1 Burning Ember and puts a buff with no duration on you. The next Immolate, Incinerate, Conflagrate, or Curse you cast will hit all targets within 15 yards of the target. If it does damage it's damage is reduced. The damage is buffed by mastery (as FnB grants bonus damage on Ember Consuming spells)
If after FnB is cast you generate 8 emberbits by being out of combat the buff is removed from you. This is presumably so you can't start the fight with a FnB saved up.
Spells modified by FnB generate emberbits as normal, as if the spell was cast on each target individually.
Before 5.1 Conflagrate had a separate FnB charge, however as of 5.1 Conflagrate has shared charges between FnB and normal.
There is three different things to take into account when considering whether to use FnB and what to use it on. In general you keep Immolate on everything, keep RoF up, don't let Conflagrate cap charges, and Incinerate otherwise. If you have extra embers you can spend it on FnB-CoE.
AoE Damage per Cast
This is the same as the single target rotation. Conflagrate will do slightly more than Incinerate. Immolate is worth it to cast if it will tick on everything twice.
Getting AoE Started
As both Immolate and Curses do not immediately give embers back, if you are wanting for embers when AoE starts it may be worth it to build up a few embers (depending on the number of AoE targets) by making sure RoF is down and casting a few FnB-Incinerates and FnB-Conflags before casting your FnB-Curse or FnB-Immolate.
Number of Targets to Sustain AoE
When casting FnB-Incinerate and FnB-Conflagrate, the number of targets that is required to get back the Ember you spent casting them is dependent on your crit chance. I'll go more into this later on in this section in more detail. If you don't care as much you can use the following rule of thumb:
When between two and four targets, FnB-Casts (with RoF ticking) will not immediately give back enough embers to continue AoEing unless you have some embers to start with (in which case you are sacrificing Embers for AoE damage).
When there's 5 or more targets, FnB-Casts (with RoF ticking) will begin to reliably generate as many or more emberbits as they took to cast, and so you can easily sustain an AoE rotation.
Only cast FnB-Immolate or FnB-Curse when you have >2 Embers or your next cast is a RoF and you'll generate enough emberbits to cast another FnB after the RoF. (More accurately: When you can proceed with casting a FnB-Incinerate or FnB-Conflagrate when you need to)
In Depth:
Since critical strikes with both Conflagrate and Incinerate generate 2 emberbits on crit, crit chance has an effect on the number of targets required to (on average) give you back enough emberbits to sustain an AoE rotation. You are guaranteed 1 emberbit per target on cast.
When you cast on 6 targets, you need 4 to give you 2 embers, or in other words to crit. Thus you need 4/6 to crit, or 2/3 or 66% crit chance to maintain the AoE rotation on 6 targets. (Not including RoF)
On 7 targets you need 3 targets to crit, out of 7, so 3/7 or 42.9% to maintain the AoE rotation on 7 targets.
On 8 targets you need 2 targets to crit, out of 8, so 2/8 or 1/4 or 25% to maintain the AoE rotation on 8 targets.
Formula for those inclined:
Crit % to Gain Cost Back = (10-n)/n, where n is the number of targets hit by the cast.
This is a bit complicated by RoF generating embers, so in actuality the crit chance required is lower than it'd appear, which is why it's possible/easy to maintain the AoE rotation on 5 targets, and possible to do on 4. (No real formula available for this, as I don't know the exact chance %. If someone knows let me know in the comments and I'll update this section with an actual formula!)
Dark Soul: Instability:
Dark Soul: Instability has a 2 minute cooldown and provides 30% crit. The cooldown is reduced to 1:20 with the 4pc T14 bonus.
Above 20% target health, the best use of Dark Soul is to save up almost 4 (but not exactly 4!) Embers, and cast 3-5 Chaos Bolts under the effect of the Crit Chance increase.
Under 20% target health, the best use depends heavily on the length of the fight that's remaining. If you will get another Dark Soul off in execute range then you should immediately cast Dark Soul as it comes off cooldown. However, if you will only be able to get 1 more Dark Soul in, you should instead save it for right when you start your all-CDs burn of shadowburns. With the increased crit chance you can potentially generate enough embers during it's duration to cast another fully-buffed or partially buffed shadowburn.
Skull Banner:
While Skull Banner is technically a warrior cooldown, you should definitely be aware of Skull Banner's existence. It provides 20% critical strike damage for 10 seconds on a 3 minute cooldown. You can think of it as a mini-Dark Soul that you have little control over. It does not provide Critical Strike rating!
When Skull Banner is up, you should consider the ICDs of your Int Procs and how soon you'll need to cast a Chaos Bolt. I do not personally know the scaling value of Critical Strike rating for increasing Chaos Bolt damage. According to neubs986 on MMO-Champion, 20% critical strike damage is roughly worth about 5,400 Int. I'm unsure whether that number is accurate, though it fits in with roughly with my experience that 2+ int procs is worth more than Skull Banner.
When considering whether to cast a Chaos Bolt during Skull Banner, you should take into account a few things.
- When's the next time you need to cast a Chaos Bolt? Is it soon?
- Will there be temp Int/Crit procs coming up before before you'd have to cast a Chaos Bolt to avoid capping?
- Will the value of those temp procs be worth more than around 5,400 Int and be up at the same time?
- Is the damage from those Chaos Bolts required a bit later in the fight, or would be buffed from fight mechanics?
If all those are true, you should postpone casting Chaos Bolt(s) until those temp procs/fight mechanics roll around.
If not all of those are true, then you should cast 1 or more Chaos Bolts during the duration of the Skull Banner.
Summon Doomguard:
Doomguard lasts 1 min and will continue to cast on the target the players' targeted when summoned until the duration runs out. The only time the Doomguard will not cast on the first target is if the target no longer exists or phases out. If the target goes immune the Doomguard does not stop casting. (Except if fight mechanics force it, like on Spirit Kings) (Example of Phasing: Going into the shadow realm on Garajal with the Doomguard casting on the boss will cause the Doomguard to come run over to the player)
Over the course of the 1 minute it will cast 17 doombolts. Each doombolt inherits the stats of the caster when the doombolt is cast. It does not snapshot the casters stats when the Doomguard is summoned like it did in Cataclysm.
Each doombolt does 20% more damage if the target is under 20% health.
This is the single target Guardian cooldown. It doesn't do as much damage as it did pre-MoP, but it's still significant damage and worth it to cast.
Optimally you want to cast Doomguard 1 minute before the boss dies, so that the Doomguard casts as many Doombolts sub 20% as possible. However this is extremely hard to do in practice. If a fight is more than 10.5 minutes long you should cast one at the start and at the end
Summon Infernal:
Infernal lasts 1 min and prefers to target and attack the enemy closest to the location it was cast at. It is cast by ground targeting an area. The infernal will come crashing down and does approximately half it's damage(!) over the course of it's duration immediately, and causes a 1 second stun in the area. This area is affected by Mannoroth's Fury.
The infernal's melee causes an AoE cleave that does small but not insignificant damage.
This is the AoE Guardian cooldown. It doesn't do as much damage as it did pre-MoP, but it's still significant damage and worth it to cast.
The Infernal should be cast over the Doomguard if and only if there are 7 targets to attack for the vast majority of it's duration. Fight mechanics which buff single target damage significantly could warrant the use of Doomguard over the Infernal even if this is true. (Example: Heroic Wind Lord Mel'jarak with Recklessness)
Stat Priorities vary drastically depending on level 75 Talent Choice.
The below results may very well be wrong. I'm working on updated results, but the below results may be a result of a specific set of reforgings on the part of the T15H simc profile and are NOT representative of stat priorities in general
For the time being:
Grim of Sac: Mastery > Haste == Crit
Grim of Serv/Sup: Haste==Crit > Mastery
Key for stat priority:
Symbol Meaning Haste == Mastery There is no practical difference between Haste and Mastery. Each stat's weight is within the other's error boundary. (Who knows which is better) Haste > Mastery Haste is noticeably better than Mastery, but the error boundaries of each stat overlap. (Haste is probably better than Mastery) Haste >> Mastery Haste is much better than Mastery. The error boundaries do not overlap at all. (Haste IS better than Mastery with no doubt)
Single Target:
Grimoire/Pet DPS Priority Sup/Observer 172596 Mastery == Haste > Crit Serv/Felhunter 172349 Haste == Mastery > Crit Serv/Succubus 172310 Haste > Mastery > Crit Sup/Voidlord 172253 Haste > Mastery > Crit Sup/Shivarra 172233 Haste == Mastery > Crit Serv/Voidwalker 171961 Haste > Mastery > Crit Sup/Fel Imp 171057 Haste > Mastery > Crit Serv/Imp 170912 Haste > Mastery > Crit Sacrifice 164203 Mastery > Crit == Haste
2 Target Cleave:
Grimoire/Pet DPS Priority Sup/Observer 222427 Mastery == Haste > Crit Sup/Voidlord 222188 Haste > Mastery > Crit Sup/Shivarra 222139 Haste > Mastery > Crit Serv/Succubus 221686 Haste >> Mastery>> Crit Serv/Felhunter 221357 Haste >> Mastery>> Crit Sup/Fel Imp 220998 Haste == Mastery>> Crit Serv/Voidwalker 220793 Haste > Mastery>> Crit Serv/Imp 219941 Haste >> Mastery>> Crit Sacrifice 215995 Mastery >> Haste>> Crit
Grimoire of Supremacy/Grimoire of Service:
With Grimoire of Supremacy and Grimoire of Service, you are shifting your damage sources away from Ember Consumers and towards the Ember Generators (Incinerate, Immolate, etc). The importance of when you cast Ember Consumers matters less when using Grimoire of Supremacy/Service. As such, the stat priority shifts away from buffing the Ember Consumers, and towards buffing your Ember Generators and pet damage.
These are good choices for fights where single target damage is important and you don't spend a significant amount of your time casting ember consumers.
Grimoire of Supremacy/Service are both viable Single-Target choices.
Grimoire of Sacrifice:
With Grimoire of Sacrifice, you are shifting your damage further towards Ember Consumers, and as such when you cast Chaos Bolts is slightly more important when going this route. As you can see in the table above, Grimoire of Sacrifice is balanced to be roughly equal to Sup/Serv with 2 targets, and is significantly behind on single-target.
Grimoire of Sacrifice is no longer a viable Single-Target choice, and is the not the go to talent for when you are able to cleave. When cleaving you should consider the importance of where your damage goes:
If there is a primary target that requires more damage than a secondary target, you should use a pet talent and sic your pet onto that target.
If there is no real primary target and you want more evenly distributed damage, you should use Sacrifice.
I do not have a specific formula for when you should switch to Sacrifice over one of the pet talents. All I can say is that if you are spending the majority of your time casting ember consumers, then you should consider using Sac over Sup/Serv. The presence of 2 targets no longer warrants the use of Sac over Sup/Serv unless you want to split your damage on the two targets more evenly
Single Target:
The single target Destruction rotation is rather simple to describe, but can be difficult to execute in reality.
You essentially want to keep Immolate on the target, while avoiding capping embers. You also want to keep Conflagrate from reaching 2 recharge stacks and avoid casting Conflagrate while you have >3 stacks of Backdraft. You want to ideally only cast Chaos Bolts while you have temp buffs like Dark Soul or Int Procs up. You have such a large amount of time to cast Chaos Bolts before worrying about capping that there's no real excuse to cast unbuffed Chaos Bolts unless you are generating embers extremely fast, or AoE'ing.
The Destruction single target rotation consists of Ember generating phases, as well as Ember consuming burns. You want to aim to have very close to 4 Embers as your Dark Soul is coming off of CD.
As you don't want to cap on Embers, and you will generate more than 3 Embers in one minute, I've found it best when without 4pc T14 to have 2 separate Ember burns in around 1 minute cycles. Most temp procs are coming back up around 1 minute intervals, so when those pop up again you should consume nearly all your embers, assuming you won't need them before your next burn due to fight mechanics. At least as much as you have time for with the temp procs.
You should never cap on Embers so you should always cast a Chaos Bolt regardless of buffs if you're about to cap. A good rule of thumb is to cast a Chaos Bolt if you're above 3.5 Embers.
2 Target Cleave:
All the aspects of the single-target rotation is the same, however you should now keep RoF on both targets and keep Immolate rolling on both targets. If you haven't already you should go back up and read about Havoc and the other "Cleave" abilities. I go over in detail quite a bit up there.
AoE:Very similar to the single-target rotation, however you also need to keep RoF up and cast Fire and Brimstone between your casts. If you haven't already, you should go back up and read more about the "AoE" abilities. I go over in detail a LOT that is useful information.
1. Casting Chaos Bolts with 3 or more Backdraft Stacks
As Chaos Bolts can consume 3 stacks of Backdraft, you should avoid casting Chaos Bolts with 3 or more Backdraft stacks. The damage you gain from the faster Incinerates benefiting from Backdraft does not compare when consumed with Chaos Bolt. One of the purposes of Chaos Bolt is to regen mana while it's casting, and reducing the amount of mana you get while free-casting a Chaos Bolt actually results in more waiting time, and a DPS loss.
The way to fix it is to plan ahead and get down to 2 or less Backdraft stacks before you'd need to cast a Chaos Bolt. I know that's not much of an answer, but it's all you can really do. There are some situations where you might be forced to consume 3 stacks of Backdraft, such as to avoid capping on Embers and Conflagrate charges.
2. Capping on Embers
Just don't do it. Seriously. Cast an unbuffed Chaos Bolt if you need to!
3. Capping on Conflagrate Recharge Stacks
While Conflagrate is sitting on 2 recharge stacks you are potentially losing casts throughout the fight, as it's not recharging while sitting there.
The way to fix it is to pay attention and plan ahead a little bit. If you're about to encounter a situation where you'll be forced into a choice that results in capping Conflagrate stacks, consider casting the Conflagrate before you're forced to. It's a good idea to keep it at 0 stacks and get to 1 briefly while doing other more important things.
The only situation that you're regularly forced into running into this situation is when attempting to burn off 4-5 Chaos Bolts during a Dark Soul. If you can plan ahead a little bit and enter the burn with 0 stacks of Backdraft and 0 stacks on Conflagrate, you can easily use 2 GCDs while Dark Soul is up to cast a Conflagrate followed by an Incinerate to get down to 2 charges of Backdraft before resuming with the Chaos Bolts.
4. Clipping Grimoire of Sacrifice's DoT portion of Chaos Bolt
This is something you're rarely (if ever) run into, but it's good to know that it's possible. The DoT portion of Chaos Bolt does benefit from Pandemic and normal DoT refreshing mechanics, but in situations where the boss is moving a lot and your first of two Chaos Bolts takes a long time to travel, while your second one has very, very little time to travel, it's possible that the second Chaos Bolt will hit before the 2nd tick of the first's DoT portion. This isn't a large DPS loss as it's a small amount of damage over the course of a fight, but if you're using Kil'jaden's Cunning it's easily avoided as you can just run away from the boss and force some extra travel time on the 2nd Chaos Bolt.
I'm not going to claim that this is the optimal starting rotation for Destruction, but I have found that it gives me great burst that is comparable to other classes off the start of a fight. I've found it also sets up the rest of the fight well in terms of trinket timings for temp proc stacking.
Pot/Precast Immolate
Rain of Fire
(Doomguard – If used at start)
Dark Soul/On-Use Int
Incinerate (backdraft now at 2 stacks and around 2 Embers)
Chaos Bolt
Immolate (benefits from all temp procs and crit increases)
Incinerate to 2 Embers (If required)
Chaos Bolt
Then I go onto the rotation as normal. This puts most trinket procs and the like as coming up right around the 1min mark, which is the same time as my Engineering gloves. I then do a mini-burn of most of my Embers at the 1 min mark, and then do the first 4 Ember DS burn 2 mins in (fight permitting). This then repeats for the most part, while paying attention to trinket ICDs for the optimal timing to cast Chaos Bolts from now on.
You should aim to get gear that has enough hit for you to hit cap, and then go full on into whatever secondary stats' best for you depending on your level 75 talent choice.
As for gemming, a good rule of thumb is to go Int in all sockets. If the socket bonus provides more than 100 Intellect (or 200+ of a secondary stat), then you should match socket colors. If the socket bonus for any gear with a blue or yellow gem in it is worth gemming over pure Int, then you should go Int/Hit or Int/Expertise, whichever is cheaper to get, for Blue, and Int/Best secondary stat in yellow.
The way to determine if a gem is for sure worth going for over pure Int in a socket is by doing a bit of math and Simming your own character's stat weights. If you want to skip this step you can use the rule of thumb preceding this section.
You essentially want to find out what the scale factors are of Int, Hit, Haste, Mastery, and Crit, and compare the total worth of if you were to gem pure int regardless of color and if you were to go for the socket colors. How you do this is the formulas below:
Value of a Gem = [Gem's Stat's Weight]*[Gem's Stat's Amount]
Worth gemming Pure Int = [Int's Stat Weight] * [Int Gem's Amount] * [# of Sockets]
Worth gemming going for socket bonus = [Value of a Gem (above) for Socket 1] + [Value of a Gem (above) for socket 2] + … + [Value of a Gem for socket n] + [Socket Bonus' Stat Weight]*[Socket Bonus' Amount]
The result that gives the biggest number is the best choice.
Example for item Imperial Ghostbinder's Robes
Value of gemming Pure Int = 4.1*160*2 = 1312
Value of gemming for Sockets = 4.1*160 + 4.1*80 + 2.0*160 + 4.1*120 = 1796. Best Choice
Above I gemmed for Int in the red socket (4.1*160), and an Int/Mastery gem (2.0*160 + 4.1*12). Since I matched colors I added the socket bonus' value (4.1*120)
EventHorizon Continued:
EH tracks DoTs, CDs, Buff durations among other things, on a rolling timescale that lets you look into the near future and see where abilities/cds are lining up, giving you like 5-6 seconds to figure out whether you want to cast that Conflag or Immolate first. (Probably the one addon I couldn't really live without, which is why I took over development of it when the previous author quit WoW :P)
You can take a look at how I use it in any one of the kill videos I have, but here's a link to our H Sha 10 kill. (LINK)
It is the bars that are above my portrait, to the right of my grid raid frames, and below my main cast bar.
TidyPlates is great for tracking the duration of DoTs on multiple targets, as well as their health. I personally use the Quatre/Damage setup, and I specifically configured it so that the health bars of mobs turn read when they are below 20%. (Of course for easy spotting of Shadowburn-able mobs!)
Weak Auras:
Great for making pop up alerts for raid mechanics or for a Skull Banner notification. Somewhat harder to configure than PowerAuras, but it's still being updated and has extra features PowerAuras doesn't.
1. Open the file Config.wtf in your WoW installation's WTF folder
2. At the end of the file, add the line below:
3. Start WoWCode:SET spellEffectLevel "25"
4. Cast RoF.
5. Success!
It should already have more meteors visible, but you can further fine-tune the number of meteors by typing the following into chat:
# can be any number, but numbers much higher than 100 and it starts getting extremely CPU intensive and bogs your framerate down significantly. The default number is I believe 10.Code:/console spellEffectLevel #
What this means:Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
- Sup/Observer is pretty much always going to be the Grim/Pet choice for Destro (including 2 target cleave) - Haste == Mastery > Crit
- AoE is now much more potent, but has a smaller range
- We got a single-target damage buff, but a cleave damage nerf
- Shadowburn now grants +2 embers when a target dies with the debuff still on them. We no longer have to get the killing blow to get 2 embers back!
If you have questions or suggestions about/for the guide, including formatting please let me know. I want them! I'm by no means decent at formatting a guide like this. I apologize if it's hard to read.
1.0.3: Updated style with headers graciously given to me by Kink here on MMO-Champ!
1.0.2: They fixed RoF granting embers on immune targets. Removed from guide.
1.0.1: Given stat priority table may be incorrect. Added disclaimer and suggestion
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- R said...
I agree with you in your overall distaste for blandness but its unfair to pin all of this on Christians and conservatives. Most of the good cartoons were produced when the country was far more Christian and conservative. Go figure!
Are Christians and conservatives running Hollywood now? I don't think anybody can say that with a straight face. The fact is, liberals have dominated the entertainment industry for the past forty years. If you're going to pin the current state of affairs on anybody, it has to be them.
I'll grant you that Christian "entertainment" is the bottom of the barrel. Probably because its mostly made by amateurs now. However, putting that aside, I think real conservatives are not the problem. For some strange reason, its the liberals, in striving for their utopian fantasies, who give us the "let's all cooperate and save the planet" cartoons. "Let's have diversity and equal time for all" cartoons have been the ruin of real entertainment.
When I use the term conservative, I'm not talking about the political party, I'm using it in its dictionary sense.
Conservative people like to leave things the way they are. (The way the last generation of liberals and the previous generation of radicals made them). They distrust new ideas and creativity in general.
I can't think of a more conservative concept than "political correctness". This is designed to stop you from using observation to judge what you see around you. No more inductive reasoning. Turn off your senses and your faculties. Burn Aristotle's books.
The so called "liberal" democrats are as conservative as anybody. they just have a different set of dogma than the "conservative" Republicans.
Anyone who follows the party line is by nature conservative, no matter what party he belongs to. He surrenders his free thinking to the cause.
If you belong to the Disney party, you are conservative in your idea of creativity. Completely afraid to break the mold.
SpongeBob is the conservative version of Ren and Stimpy.
Simpsons is ultra-extreme conservatism-when you compare it to All In The Family or the Honeymooners.
Politically affiliated liberals may run some of Hollywood, but they follow the most Republican of practices. They squeeze out the competition, blitz market their blandness into success and brainwash the masses, who never get to see alternative, more creative and skilled entertainment.
Wednesday, August 01, 2007
Is Hollywood Really Run By "Liberals"?
37 comments:
- Jerry said...
You know, JK, I admire the hell out of you. And this post is on-target.
Except, you know, your bitterness towards the Simposons is legendary. And there is no way to read your shoe-horned-in comment about them as "ultra-conservative" makes any logical sense.
To "All in the Family"? The Simpsons is far more confrontational and unafraid to tackle all sides of 'controversial" issues than that show (in its earlier, more strident years) ever was. "The Honeymoomers"? Simpsons if far less hoary in construction, and Homer actually sttrangles Bart - he doesn't just shake his fist and threaten "..to the moon".
What context were you implying "conservatism"? Your other examples are all over the map.
- PCUnfunny said...
The only difference I see between Democrats and Republicans is one party wants to exploit minorities more then the other.
- idragosani said...
Well said.
- Fco. de Borja said...
Democrats? Republicans? Does any one really believe there's any substantial difference?
- Andy J. Latham said...
If conservative people like to keep things as they are, why aren't cartoons still made the way they used to be?
Visit Andy's Animation!
- Kunster said...
hahaha you crazy motherfucker
- R said...
Wow! I'm honored by the attention!
I understand what you're saying about "conservative" being a conservation of existing ideals. You're absolutely right. Every belief in the world has its own conservatives. It get's confusing when all the lines and terms are blurred by politics.
I don't want to stray too much from your original intent, but the name of your blog is "All Kinds of Stuff". The only thing I would push back on is your statement, "I can't think of a more conservative concept than 'political correctness'."
Political correctness is a fairly new contrivance(although the methods of its enforcement are old). When the Left finally rejected the old morality that the Right is still trying to conserve, the Left tried to invent a new morality of its own. Political correctness is the result. It is nothing more than the ideals of the Left in a hazy codified form. It is only conservative in the way that you described-- that some try to conserve it. But PC is totally unRight.
We ought to be concerned about PC because it has a real chilling effect on creativity.
Here's another twist on common perceptions: While the most on the Right will freely complain about things that offend them and even use their freedom to avoid such things, there is almost no attempt to get Government to censor. However, it is the Left that vigorously censors those that cross it. Its the Left that mandates "sensitivity training", enforces "hate speech" laws and vigorously opposes other views on campus and in the media. Again, go figure!
We all need to be careful who we support because it directly affects our freedom to be creative. If you hate PC, support an ideal other than the Left. I imagine the Libertarian position is what most creative people would enjoy.
- JohnK said...
>>If conservative people like to keep things as they are, why aren't cartoons still made the way they used to be?<<
Good question.
Because when you try to merely preserve something, it inevitably decays.
You need to encourage expansion and growth- building upon the past, rather than trying to merely preserve it.
- pinkboi said...
I think the political terms radical, liberal, conservative and reactionary work quite well in describing creativity, too. How many of you are radical and want to destroy? John K. here is a progressive liberal, but maybe it takes a radical Bolshevik who hates cartoons to make good cartoons?
- JohnK said...
To "All in the Family"? The Simpsons is far more confrontational and unafraid to tackle all sides of 'controversial" issues than that show (in its earlier, more strident years) ever was.<<
"tackling issues", does not make one creative or imaginative or skilled.
you are equivocating the two different meanings of "conservative".
And on that note anyway, All In The Family was way more confrontational and politically smart.
But it also was brilliantly written and performed. For real. Like when professionals made things.
- Michael K said...
When it comes to main stream cartoons that are designed to pander to all children, we come across the same problems we have with textbooks. In an attempt to appease both liberals and conservatives alike, everything gets watered down.
When you move out of the mainstream, I think you'll find that the left makes far better animation than the right. In fact, I think that applies to almost all forms of entertainment.
- EIBass said...
The words "Liberal media" are a buzz term used by the man to trick you. If they use the words enough and you hear them enough, people start to believe it to be true.
The Media/Propaganda Machine is the tool of the Government. Run by the bankers and privileged elite. They enslave all with their credit cards, car loans and mortgages. Working class Americans are Wage slaves only a step from serfdom!!!
The Democrats and Republicans have the same boss and it's NOT "We the People".
Now I've said too much I must go back into hiding.
Great job on the blog. I appreciate all the work you put into it.
- J. J. Hunsecker said...
>>Here's another twist on common perceptions: While the most on the Right will freely complain about things that offend them and even use their freedom to avoid such things, there is almost no attempt to get Government to censor.<<
WHAAAAAAAT!? What planet do you live on, R? Most of the censorship in the US comes from right wing groups! Right wing Christians in particular.
Have you forgotten that it was Christian wingnut Reverend Donald Wildmon who got an episode of the New Adventures of Mighty Mouse edited, because he erroneously thougth the character was sniffing cocaine? It was a show that the author of this blog worked on, so I'm surprised you wouldn't know about it.
As for PC, progressives complain about that, too. The liberal atheist comedian George Carlin has a whole routine where he rails against it.
- kate yarberry said...
About Barak Obama
I have to honest when I say I haven't been following American Politics lately. I just moved to the Uk and we have a constitutional monarchy. The most exciting thing going on here is whether or not Brown will Bush's bitch (and it looks like he will be). Still I am an American, so I am interested in the up comming Presidential race, only I don't care who wins. I can't vote, I don't pay Americcan taxes and we will all be fucked inevitably, it just depends on by who and when. All good guys go a little off when they are given a certain amount of power. But the truth is in politics, there is more grey area than left, or right, or anything more extremeist. It all comes back down to the earlier post of "bland-ness". Just face it, even if we elected the best candidate ( who ever that may be) we're all going to die from global warming anyway. I want an ice lollie. ta.
- pappy d said...
Revolution is upsetting because it involves breaking things. Rotten things.
Liberals have a blind faith in the Enlightenment notion that children are a blank slate onto which we can write whatever we please. They'll face any suggestion that there IS such a thing as innate human nature as heresy or a Nazi biological determinist plot i.e. a threat to the idea that we can be improved & to the purely moral argument that we are born equal.
Conservatives think God made entertaniment corporatons to serve society AND the shareholders. Despite the fact that there's money involved, they believe that these co.s prefer competing to colluding. They believe that government serves no useful purpose except to censor artwork & run other, foreign governments.
Kids don't get to vote, especially not with their pocketbooks.
- elephantmarchblog said...
All right, say we agree with you. Now what? Its the easiest thing in the world to sit around and point out the problem; give us the solution and then you'll become useful...
and it can't be a solution that just requires change from the artists, how do we come up with a solution regarding the people that can afford to pay for these things?
- Andreas said...
>>If conservative people like to keep things as they are, why aren't cartoons still made the way they used to be?
Besides what John K said about when you try to preserve something it invariably decays, we see a reactionary culture. If something "works" then everybody else thinks they have to do it too. Of course, a copy of a copy of a copy is never as good as an original.
- Mr. Semaj said...
To answer your main question: No, Hollywood today seems to be far more conservative, where they seem more content on maintaining a status quo with sequels, remakes, rip-offs, etc. than liberal.
Few other things:
Sorry, I cannot see The Simpsons as being conservative, unless it's put against Family Guy or South Park, where in FG's case, that would be a blessing.
I'm not so sure about Disney. When you're comparing classic cartoons, of course Disney would be conservative versus Warner Bros. and MGM's liberalism.
But in the past few decades, and even today, Disney has had problems agreeing with exactly how "conservative" their products should be. If you read about why Don Bluth exited Disney in 1979, and then look at the films he would later make, it's kinda messy.
In one way, seeing as how the studio today is still shedding its bureaucratic skin, it would be more liberal.
In another way, their more recent films are more conservative than say, DreamWorks. But when you compare Chicken Little to Shrek, is that in itself a bad thing?
- PCUnfunny said...
"Sorry, I cannot see The Simpsons as being conservative,"
It is conservative, it leans on the ideals on one political group.
- pappy d said...
Believe me, if I knew how to fix it I would have by now.
Having read my comment above, I recognise it sounds pessimistic. I really didn't mean to be discouraging, but you can't have a solution without understanding the problem.
These people with the money aren't stupid. They don't REALLY hate kids. They aren't evil in a Disney-villain sense. They are trying for the best return on the least investment & for whatever reason, don't want to be involved in the adult film industry or distribute drugs. Speaking for myself, I wouldn't put my money in a co. that didn't try to get the best return on investment.
From the first (relatively funny) Ruff & Reddys to the last episode of He-man, I've watched animation gradually perfect a business plan that consequently made shittier & shittier cartoons until cable arrived & made possible Ren & Stimpy et al as corporations competed with each other for market share among real kids. The market "stabilised" even faster this last time around & there's much less profit being wasted on the consumer today.
Maybe it can happen again on the web if someone can figure how to get money out of it. It may be a way out of the PTA interference & mass-market blandness that comes with trying to please literally everyone.
Assuming, as you imply, that you don't agree with me how would YOU describe the problem?
- dotter said...
How in the world, in what world, are the Simpsons conservative? In the style of drawing? Certainly not in the writing. I don't get it. It's not "cutting edge" but it's not exactly Casper the Ghost, either.
I'd say Ren and Stimpy was cutting edge, but...when's the last time you saw an episode?
- JohnK said...
Every 5 or 6 posts I have to answer this myth again:
>>These people with the money aren't stupid. They don't REALLY hate kids. They aren't evil in a Disney-villain sense.<<
They have no human feelings at all. They don't like kids and they like creative people even less.
>> They are trying for the best return on the least investment<<
This is the absolute opposite of the truth.
No one wastes more money than modern corporations.
They make movies that cost $200 million and more, then spend another $100 million to market the thing.
Then they have millions a month in overhead, plus free buffet lunches for thousands of employees.
Then there's market research, scads of lawyer salaries, psychologists.
I forgot to mention they make each feature at least twice before they sign off on it.
There is nothing fiscally responsisble in the way they make cartoons anymore.
Ren and Stimpy cost a very little investment up front and made more than a billion dollars. Did they try doing that again?
Nope. They spent the money on a new studio run by people who had nothing to do with R and S instead of the people who made them successful, made dozens of cartoon series that didn't make money for a decade or so.
Not until Sponge Bob (Ren and Stimpy light) did they make big money again. Now they waste all the profits on more market research, executive salaries, development, overhead and tons more cartoons that don't make money.
The shows that do succeed are the ones that accidentally slipped through the system.
- Robert Hume said...
I liked this post! :)
- JohnK said...
>>How in the world, in what world, are the Simpsons conservative? In the style of drawing? Certainly not in the writing.<<
It is conservative, it leans on the ideals on one political group.<<
I don't know what its political leanings are. That's not what I mean by conservative.
I mean it's conservative creatively. It doesn't allow for imagination in the drawing, voices, writing, music in anything creative. It's all simplistic plodding formula.
Bland as white bread with the crusts cut off.
It's what high school kids would write and pat themselves on the back for.
- dotter said...
High school kids....WOW. Those are some pretty funny high school kids.
So give me some examples of non-conservative animation. Something that's been on the air in the past year.
- pappy d said...
"They have no human feelings at all. They don't like kids and they like creative people even less."
I see no contradiction on this point.
As for the rest of your response, I really don't see anything in that that you can't put down to simple cowardice.
">> They are trying for the best return on the least investment<<
This is the absolute opposite of the truth."
OK, that was rash of me. They just want to make a perfect machine where you put money in one end & get more money out the other.
They are frightened, like capital itself is frightened. They resent artists because they're frightened of their dependence on them & especially of missed airdates. To paraphrase an early H&B show, "The show must go on...otherwise we have to give the people their money back."
Thanks again for all your good work. The post on bland characters is priceless. I'd gotten so used to it, I forgot to be outraged.
- PCUnfunny said...
Oh okay.I get it John.
- PCUnfunny said...
"So give me some examples of non-conservative animation. Something that's been on the air in the past year."
You have got to be joking.
- lastangelman said...
Jerry said...
You know, JK, I admire the hell out of you. And this post is on-target.
Except, you know, your bitterness towards the Simposons is legendary. And there is no way to read your shoe-horned-in comment about them as "ultra-conservative" makes any logical sense.
To "All in the Family"? The Simpsons is far more confrontational and unafraid to tackle all sides of 'controversial" issues than that show (in its earlier, more strident years) ever was. "The Honeymoomers"? Simpsons if far less hoary in construction, and Homer actually sttrangles Bart - he doesn't just shake his fist and threaten "..to the moon".
What context were you implying "conservatism"? Your other examples are all over the map.
The Simpsons is ultra-conservative not in script, it is ultra conservative in its designs, its acting and its cartooniness. Ralph Cramden as performed by Jackie Gleason is more of a Bob Clampett Cartoon, whereas Homer Simpson is an unimaginative Friz Freleng cartoon - funny scripts but bland acting, bland design, bland cartooning. I think John K is very spot on.
- dotter said...
to pcunfunny, no, not joking. Examples?
- Mr. Semaj said...
Homer Simpson is an unimaginative Friz Freleng cartoon
- PCUnfunny said...
John I have question for you. Would you say that there is no real risk in putting out any sort of films,music,etc. anymore ? There are so many ways to advertise and promote all sorts of entertainment these days. And if so, are executives that greedy and stupid they rather steal money from there companies instead of taking advantage of good ideas and pushing them through all sorts of mediums ?
- R said...
I think there's some truth on both sides. Pappy D is right in saying that the entertainment industry wants to create a money-making machine. John K is right in pointing out how self-defeating they really are. If anyone has ever worked in a big business, they would know how DILBERTesque these businesses really are. They are run by scared morons who are more interested in covering their own asses than building up a good business or creating good products. The only vision these morons have is in self-preservation.
J. J. Hunsecker questioned my comment about the Right not going to the government to seek censorship. Actually, they didn't go to the government. They exerted economic pressure.
I think there's a lot of confusion about censorship and its germane to the conversation on blandness.
Real censorship is enforced by the government or those who hold some power over us. Its when authorities shut you down and forbid any further expression. We don't want this.
On the other hand, a thriving market-place of ideas is healthy and good. Everyone has the freedom to offer their ideas and works and everyone else is free to listen or walk away.
Often in the market-place of ideas, some choose self-censorship to suit their own goals. If this is voluntary, there's nothing wrong with it. If a business desires to reach a certain demographic, it will tailor its product to appeal to that demographic. Its really the freedom of association in action. If an artist desires to work for a certain company, he will tailor his work to suit its parameters. There's no mystery to this. Self-censorship happens all the time and most of us do it to some degree or another.
Entertainment companies (supposedly) seek the widest audience possible in order to (supposedly) make as much money as possible. They may (or may not) be in business for the sake of both art and money. However, their shareholders and the advertisers don't care a whit about art. They are in it for the money.
Now, in the market-place of ideas, we are all free to walk away from both the product AND the supporters of that product. I remember the Mighty Mouse sniffing cocaine incident. I thought it was stupid. There are idiots everywhere. But they were certainly within their right of free association to tell the network and its advertisers that they would walk away. So the network and the advertisers had to decide about their own right of association. They decided they wanted to associate with these customers more than they wanted to associate with the producers of Mighty Mouse. That's the way it works. I don't think any of us will suggest that free people ought to be compelled (by government?) to support something they don't believe in. Even if their position is stupid, they are still free.
Was the Mighty Mouse fiasco censorship? Not if the producers were free to find other sponsors or other venues for their product.
Let's look at John K's struggles with Nick over Ren & Stimpy. I won't pretent to know all of the particulars but I'll offer up a simplistic version.
Nick is a private company that has the freedom to associate with whomever it chooses. It has the freedom to air or not air whatever it chooses. However, they exerted a kind of censorship agaist John because they demanded ownership of his characters. Thus they prevented him from seeking other venues for his work. They used their power to shut him down. Censorship.
Its this PC desire to avoid offending anyone that has led to the blandness in cartoons.
Someone asked what the practical solution is. I think John has already spelled it out in his idea to use the internet as a new kind of venue. Just beware, there are some (on the Left again) who want government control of the internet. If they get it, you'll see FCC control expanded and the blandness will go on and on.
- TamalH said...
>>So give me some examples of non-conservative animation. Something that's been on the air in the past year. <<
There aren't any shows to get examples from.
- pappy d said...
Clearly you favor one kind of conservatism over the other. Maybe hysterical chickenshit would be a better term than conservative, but all the same, I'm glad to know that theoretically everything is great in animation.
It seems to me (somebody/everybody correct me if I'm wrong)that conservative in this context is the opposite of revolutionary. You can't say "reactionary" because there is no revolution in cartoon animation at present (except in theory).
Donald Wildmon was motivated by publicity & propaganda against the entertainment industry.
The censorship problem is largely one of self-censorship. If pressured by any special interest, business will cave in rather than see it come to a boycott or legislation. That's the profit motive.
"Fun" or "entertaining" is abstract & harder to quantify than dollars & cents, so it fades in importance.
It would be a very different world indeed if John had been allowed to retain copyright to R&S. For one thing, you'd have never heard of Mickey Mouse, but Oswald the Lucky Rabbit would be everywhere.
- Peter F. Bernard, Jr. said...
Spongebob is the "Log Cabin Republican" version of Ren and Stimpy.
- TParker said...
I don't see anything wrong with Spongebob (at least not the first season); Yes, it's conservative, but that's because it follows YOUR rules; appealing (and appeal in ugliness!), expressive design, good layouts, and off-model when it needs to be. And best of all, the characters look three-dimensional.
Sure, they're not doing anything new, but they're doing what works and what YOU have demonstrated to be appealing.


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In an industry that is always looking for cost cutting ways to produce entertaining but efficient product I am happy to show off my latest money saving trick.
One eye is half the price of 2, right? Think of the savings!
That was a hilarious clip! I watched it about 100 times, still framing and watching it through -- it is fantastic!
Maybe after you double the viewership on Adult Swim from your bumpers, maybe then they'll let you do a show!!!
Is it really true that simply cutting the cost of one eye, that money will be saved somewhere? I can understand perhaps whole expressions however this seems so bizarre to me.
Next thing you'll know, they'll do they same with legs, arms, and split the mouth and nose. Those penny-pinching cheapskates.
This is awesome! :) How many people worked on this?
PLLLEEEAASSSE Post The Rest Of This! This Is The Only Bumper I Haven't Seen Yet! I Would Love To See The Whole Thing As A Whole! As You 1# Fan, I NEEEED This. PLZ?
wonderful animation as always.
Please Post The Rest Of This! I Need To See This NOW!!!! :D
Among other things I like the expressive left hand and webbing. That hand was drawn for spooning.
Great point! I had mentioned floating heads in my post today - for easy / cheap walk cycles.
So awesome.
I rarely visit this site anymore because it's so sluggish. Does anyone else have problems with this site loading very slowly? It's got a these bells and whistles spinning around. It's about 10 feet long if I scroll down.
Interesting concept. Go for it! I have a bad feeling about how lazy/cheap the business is today to allow for the believability part though, so you might wanna keep this to yourself.
great clip. great movement. like when kirk disappears. once said about a person I worked with, that was so superficial, when he turned sideways you couldn't see him.
Hahaha Wow john the characters turn around was amazing. How long did that take 3 days?
With the extra cash, you can afford to splurge on the number of fingers you give him ( up to five and a thumb in the second pick if I'm not mistaken ). It's good to give back.
Seriously, these are gorgeous and the animation is great! All hail the Kirk Douglas Cyclops!
John, why are you still using these inefficient, antiquated curvy lines? They cost a thousand times more and barely have any effect on the detail of the image. Imagine the sheer quantity of flat lines you could output for the cost of one curve - they could cover everything. Absolutely everything. It would be very realistic.
I don't know what that is, but I want more of it.
Why not just draw them from the back and just show their asses? That's got to be even easier.
This looks so revolutionary Ted Parmelee will have to come back just to write an article about it.
Great animation! I like how his eyes suck into a big sinkhole then pop out as one. Not to mention that big headless butler thing.
Creativity and then some
HAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAWHAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!Excellent! I am absolutely dying to do a blog post about this, but my computer problem won't allow me to show video footage. At least now I can link to your site.
Steven Spielberg once told Roger Ebert that one aspect that makes a character loveable is that you can see both of his eyes at once.
Make of that what you will.
I think you need to see both ears at once if you want a lovable character.
No no no! It's most important to show both kidneys at once. Without that you've got nothing.
hahaha!!!! that is awesome!!!
Nice example of modern animation.
UPA should have done so well (and in its later years, didn't).
..and yes, Adult Swim would be the perfect home for JK's new animation, which would would certainly blow away the tired Anime Adult Swim shows so much of.
Where should folks email or write to urge Adult Swim forward into new waters of animation?
Were the 90s the only time in television animation that executives allowed the creators to be CREATIVE and not have to skimp on characters as you have shown? Since the 60s, of course.
Also, do you have more stories about working in 80s animation (aka the nadir of fun)?
Re watching R&S the Lost episodes , Ace In The Hole and and some early UPA's so this fits right in.
Can never get enough Kirk John.
Your characters are so creativly draw and funny as always! I wish adult swim would pay you decently to make an original series! the cartoons they have for the most part are awful. I hope your gonna put up some more of your 3D art work as well!
those some crazy frames. wow
The most solid "flat" drawing I ever seen! I loved how the eyes "talk". The one eye trick is amazing. I can wait to try myself. Did you come up with this technique? I don't recall seen this.
How would you like to try to animate this?
Hey John, (or some other artist)
I got a question for ya. Is it better to draw using the left hand since the right side of your brain controls the creative side? Or does it depend on how the each side of the brain triggers either hand?
BTW, Disney's recent WINNIE THE POOH made $26 million. That's all. It probably cost 4 to 6 times that.
I wonder how Yogi Bear would fare if animated in this style (Yogi's recent 3D remake still makes my skin crawl).
I think you're falling captive to the biggest trick in technology. Letting software do too much of the work for you. (Feet, weird things on it's back that don't sync up with the rest of the animation.)
Technology is an enabler sure, and you can sure learn to animate quick with it.. but it's a double edged sword. It can take a cartoonist and great animator and make their work look cheap and sloppy. Those flash like squash and stretch tricks are still present here as I've noticed in your older digital work from the web days.
Johnk, have you tried TVPaint, as a pure bitmap based animation software? It has all the stuff you need in it. Proper X-sheet as well, and the best light table of any existing software. I'm one of the beta testers for it. I think it could compliment your Harmony vector-y type work nicely.
Hey John, how did you get Frank Zappa to do a voice in Powdered Toast Man? And how did you meet him?
Jim Tyer would be very proud!
wow,great! got some things cookin', eh pops?
So John, what's your take on the DePatie-Freleng work? Especially the Inspector. That style owes a lot to the UPA look.


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