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Posted: Sat 29 Jul 2006, 23:11
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LanPuppy...At Last... [ Testing & Suggestions ]
I've been working on LanPuppy for about 8 months (much too long, it should have been quicker).
Lots of folks here have contributed, I wanted to make a list but didn't want to leave anyone out.
The last bit of help was by Ted Dog, who was also one of the first to help when I first came here.
I've kept it simple & as similar to the standard Puppy as I could with only a few changes over all.
The PupServer / LanPuppy package seems to work well, the tools I've made aren't as tested.
I haven't made a manual as such, but raffy suggested that I post it anyway to get it going.
So as bug reports & suggestions for improvements come in, & I answer Qs, I'll compile Docs.
LanPuppy / PupServer setup:
The PupServer is built on EmptyCrust-1.0.7, other Puppy 1 versions would probably work also.
The PupServer is a frugal setup (3 base Puppy files), with Samba server DotPup installed.
The LanPuppy1-01.pup package checks for Samba server install & if networking is setup.
It installs DHCP3, Xinet, Tftp-hpa, & makes dirs.: /docs, /public, /homes, /tftpboot, & /lanpup.
I've been using SimplePup for a client as I like it, most any Puppy 1 versions should work.
I use a frugal install on the H.D., it might work on a full H.D. install, I haven't tried it.
I don't use CDs to run Puppy, but a little modification would allow the setup to work on a CD.
PXE network booting:
PCs with a BIOS PXE network boot option should work for client PCs.
Also PXE ready NICs, on eBay I bought 10: "3com-905c-tx-m" used for $3 each!
Alot of the Intel NICs do PXE boot also, but I haven't used any of them.
I just tested out a EtherBoot PXE Floppy Disk, & it's worked on all the PCs I've got, WOW!
I'm posting this from a 2.4 AMD PC that booted with the floppy from a 1.7 Celeron PC.
The number of clients is controlled by the HOME share dirs., for more clients add more dirs.
The clients run as root user with no login same as Puppy, so there's one setup per client.
This will work well for homes, keosks, churches, small offices, & maybe classrooms.
I'm sure many will want a login with separate users & work spaces for a more robust setup.
When booting, each client briefly uses a common IP add. (x.x.x.9), so stagger booting.
Save & Squash files:
One change is the "save" file is used for settings & app. installs, work space is a share.
The "save" file can be as small as 8 MB, but to install apps. it must be larger.
There's a dir.: /homes/pup-BASE for a base save file, if you want custom settings.
Ideally I'll make an "everything" squash file (any help offers?), so no apps. to install.
All the clients use the same squash file, so there's only one, so it can be HUGE (1 - 2 GB?).
With some modifing,the clients could share the same app. install dir. (/root/.usr)... trick!
I've written tools to help administer LanPuppy, but I haven't spent much time testing them.
Better tools are needed, but as LanPuppy changes different tools will be needed.
The main tool is: "xmklanpup", it extracts a Puppy ISO file & modifies it into a LanPuppy.
"xhomesadd" makes client HOME share dirs. & copies a base "save" file, if there's one.
"xmntroot" allows the administrator to mount the clients "save" file to work with it.
"xbootmount" is a PupServer utility to auto. mount H.D.s at bootup.
I want to make a DotPup tool from the package: "MakePxeBootFloppy.tar.gz".
240 clients are allowed (IP add. x.x.x.11 to .250), that can be booted by WakeOnLan.
The usr_devx.sfs developers file & MU's usr_more.sfs MegaPup file work... not tested.
PupServer supplies internet info, so new client's have web access immediately, no setup!
PupServer could boot any PXE ready Linux distro. (Knoppix, DSL) & even Win95 & Win98!
A WinBlows PC can also be a boot server with an app. called tftpd32, but then... WHY?
I'll work with LanPuppy1 for a bit to debug it, then I'll look at using Puppy2 for clients.
PupServer install:
Put EmptyCrust Puppy on a H.D. & setup to boot, install Samba server & LanPuppy.
After installing LanPuppy the Samba & boot servers are running, no need to reboot PupServer.
Then run: xmklanpup, select a Puppy ISO file to use for a client & it's converted to a LanPuppy.
The 3 main files (vmlinuz, image.gz, usr_cram.fs) are put in: /tftpboot/(ISO file name).
To setup the new LanPuppy, copy: vmlinuz & image.gz to: /tftpboot, & usr_cram.fs to: /lanpup/sys
The setup is ready to go, boot a PXE client PC with a PXE BIOS, a PXE NIC, or the PXE floppy.
NOTE: This package is a test release, but will remain available so folks can make their own setups.
After testing & improvement is done I intend to make a ready-to-go PupServer version of Puppy.
And a few ready-to-go client versions, OR just one client version & a HUGE "everything" squash file.
I'm sure there's all kinds of stuff I've forgotten to mention, but it'll all come out in the Qs.
Here's LanPuppy1-01.pup & MakePxeBootFloppy.tar.gz (PXE boot floppy disk).
DotPup to make a PXE boot floppy disk for a client PC.
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Created a wiki page for you here
The Q and A format works well - for example
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Posted: Sun 30 Jul 2006, 01:07
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Awesome indeed, the mighty crustacean leaps into action!
Wiki thoughts:
A number of the camel case words & maybe others should be links to web sites with that info.
I may have missed how to set the camel case words to link to another site, I'm not familiar with the Wiki.
I know HTML programming so adding links that way is familiar.
Example: The word: EtherBoot should link to: http://www.etherboot.org/
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"" ""
double speech marks around camel case that you do not want to page link to
[[http://link.com Link words here]]
Hope that helps
more formatting here
If you can do HTML - 10 minutes of study and wiki editing should be yours . . .
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Posted: Sun 30 Jul 2006, 09:53
Post subject: Toast for LanPuppy
A toast for LanPuppy! With Sunburnt's work, many organizations will begin looking seriously into using Puppy Linux.
Right now the 1.xx server packages can be built into the LanPuppy CD and a full room of PCs can be served with just a CD! See for example the
Wikipedia static CD package
for Puppy. Game and education contents can already be found here in the Forum.
The highmem kernel should enable LanPuppy to be a true server-on-DVD. This is an exciting development that coincides with NTFS writing ability in Puppy.
There are soft spots, though, such as the multi-user access, but the setup can be adjusted for this in time.
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Posted: Sun 06 Aug 2006, 04:18
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OK....... someone MUST have something to say, over 10 people have downloaded LanPuppy.
I'd like to hear how it's working, & suggestions, gripes, etc.
The BIG Q I want to know is if the utility: "xmklanpup" is working,
& what versions of Puppy1 have been converted to LanPups & successfully booted from the PupServer.
raffy; I'm working on a multi user login version, & with the help I"ve gotten from MU it won't be long.
NOTICE: In thinking about possable problems with LanPuppy it occured to me that the sequential IP add. numbering could interfere with existing PCs IP adds., as the LanPuppy boot code doesn't check for existing IP adds.
The problem is that DHCP servers all allocate IPs differently, my D-Link router starts at about x.x.x.100 and allocates around there.
If it can be controlled, set nonLanPuppy PCs IP adds. up high around x.x.x.200
PupServer starts allocating IP adds. at x.x.x.11 & goes up, there's an immediate problem if there's existing PCs there.
In the next version of LanPuppy I'll have PupServer ping for existing PCs & avoid them.
If HOME dir. work spaces are accessed by user login name instead of IP add., then the job's easier.
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Posted: Wed 15 Nov 2006, 14:21
Post subject: XMKLANPUP
so far I tried to create the vmlinuz, image.gz and usr_cram.fs files by using the xmklanpup tool and the only file it creates is vmlinuz which is found under mnt/home/tftpboot/ISO-puppy-lanpup folder.the other 2 files image.gz and usr_cram.fs are nowhere to be found.How do we fix that?
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Posted: Wed 15 Nov 2006, 15:01
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[quote="sunburnt"]OK....... someone MUST have something to say, over 10 people have downloaded LanPuppy.
I'd like to hear how it's working, & suggestions, gripes, etc.
Thanks, Sunburnt.
Will comment as soon as I get your software running.
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Should put some flesh around their bones.
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Posted: Wed 15 Nov 2006, 17:28
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tedward; hope to hear from you... let me fix gabev's problem.
With nobody responding I assumed there wasn't much interest in LanPuppy.
gabev; The only file that gets modified is image.gz,
vmlinuz & usr_cram.fs are just extracted from the ISO file.
To use the new LanPuppy copy vmlinuz & image.gz to /tftpboot,
& copy usr_cram.fs to /lanpup/sys
vmlinuz & image.gz are needed to boot, usr_cram.fs is Samba mounted later.
I'll look at xmklanpup & see what the problem is, it's been almost 4 months!
I've been working on LanPuppy-1.1, but I've gotten sidetracked again.
It'll have user login & a common install dir. for all clients.
The boot code will also handle existing networks better.
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Posted: Wed 15 Nov 2006, 17:52
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Hi Sunburnt,
I'm interested too your LanPuppy. I tried just one time and I was be able to boot from lan, which is great for me
but then I had some errors and X could not start. I could not be more precise because I did not try anymore, but the project for me is just in standby. Together with LTSP is a good one for our LUG.
I will let you soon.
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Posted: Wed 15 Nov 2006, 18:33
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hi sunburnt,
thats exactly my problem;vmlinuz gets created; image.gz and usr_cram.fs are nowhere to find.I was able to connect the pxe thin client to LanPuppy.I used another program to create the usr_cram.fs file and image.gz and placed them in the appropriate folders as per instructions.then the remote boot halts when the thin client cant find the init. Thats why I was hopping that xmklanpup will be able to build a correct image.gz file.Any advice?
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Posted: Wed 15 Nov 2006, 19:46
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I used HackyRemaster to create vmlinuz,image.gz and usr_cram.fs.I used SimplePup-0.3.1.iso distro .I placed vmlinuz and image.gz in tftpboot folder and usr_cram.fs in lanpup/sys folder.x win tries to boot but it halts giving the following warning :
Warning ; Unable to open an initial console
Kernel panic :No init found. Try passing init = option to kernel.
My thinclient has 128 of RAM.
this is where i'm stack.I hoped xmklanpupy would solve this issue by creating the wright files for LanPuppy. How do I solve this issue?
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Posted: Wed 15 Nov 2006, 21:02
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gabev; I looked at xmklanpup & saw what could cause your problem.
I've rewritten it & improved it, then tested it & it seems to work well.
I've learned a bit more about Bash programming in the last 4 months...
I improved it by adding code to make the file: /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default
This file gives parameters for the client to boot (very critical).
When you do this stuff you tend to overlook stuff that's simple to yourself,
but others aren't prepared to deal with the "gutsy stuff".
LAN booting isn't complicated really, but it does have a number of parts & files.
I don't know what your knowledge level of PXE booting is,
if you need more intruction just say so & I'll be glad to explain.
Here's the PxeLinux site to refer to; http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php
You don't say if your using PupServer or Win. for a boot server.
The server has to provide Samba shares (Win. shares) to LanPuppies,
they are: docs, public, sys, & homes/pup-1, homes/pup-2, etc.
The number of clients is controlled by the the number of home dirs.
Try the new xmklanpup utility & be sure to post back here if it worked or not.
If you still have trouble tell me what Puppy-1 version you want for a client,
& I'll make one for you (that way you won't waste any more time).
I intended to make full working versions of PupServer & many LanPuppies,
but with the total lack of response & interest to my post I didn't bother.
Instead I began working on the next generation, LanPuppy-1.1
This is the NEW LanPuppy make utility.
Please post back any problems you have.
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Posted: Wed 15 Nov 2006, 21:39
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I use puppy seamonkey as a server platform and as a client.I use a pxe capable box with no harddrive nor cf or flash card but with 128 MB of RAM.I tried before to run puppy from a live cd I made and run it all from memory.So technically i believe i can try to boot a thin client over the network with the the os loading into the memory only.LanPuppy works ok , the issue I have right now is how to build the "compatible" files needed for the pxe boot to succed.Thas where I hope the new xmklanpuppy might make things easier.
So , I will try the new file right away and post the results.Lets hope it will work.Gabe
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by the way , how do i "pup" the xmklanpup.gz ? I uncompresse it but it doesnt execute just open by itself in the text editor.
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As a former volunteer firefighter and the wife of a professional firefighter, I pledge to work with all stakeholders to appropriately manage our public and private lands in order to reduce fire danger. As seen in the recent "Robbers Fire" and "American Fire", we need to actively work toward fuel reduction efforts and protecting life, property, and the environment from the danger of fire in our heavily forested District 5 as well as the rest of Placer County.
There are six Municipal Advisory Councils (MACs) in District 5 that meet on a monthly basis and one that meets quarterly. These MACs serve as an important voice of the community which advises the Board of Supervisors. They meet in North Auburn, Foresthill, Meadow Vista, Colfax, Norden, Squaw Valley, and North Tahoe (alternating between Kings Beach and Tahoe City). For more information and agendas please visit the District 5 Event Calendar. I also hold regularly scheduled casual coffees in Tahoe City, Colfax, Foresthill and Downtown Auburn.
It is important that your voice be heard. Please contact the office at any time if you have questions, concerns, or would like to get involved with shaping your county government and join me as we continue the fight to "Preserve, Protect, Restore, and Respect" Placer County.
Thank You,
Jennifer Montgomery
Supervisor, District 5
This website reflects the views of Jennifer Montgomery and may not necessarily reflect the views of the Placer County Board of Supervisors.
I was born in Redwood City, California in 1961. I have two brothers, one step-sister (killed serving in the first Gulf War) and two fantastic parents. I have 6 nieces and nephews whom I adore and three god-children. I am married to firefighter/ paramedic Daniel Gomez and am a 22 year resident of Donner Summit.
I attended K-12 in Redwood City and Palo Alto and received my Bachelor of Arts in 1983 from Mills College in Oakland, California.
In 1987, I returned to college in Rocklin, California at Sierra College for an AA degree in horticulture. At Sierra College I developed a love for Placer County and its agricultural heritage, a love that leads me to protect and preserve that same heritage in my role as County Supervisor.
I met my husband in 1988 when I was a volunteer for the Donner Summit Fire Department and Dan was a full-time fire fighter. In 1991 we were married at Sugar Bowl and moved to our current home in Serene Lakes.
As a Summit resident, I've had the opportunity to work in a number of jobs which taught me many useful skills. Most recently, I owned my own business for 8 years, before that I worked for 10 years at Sugar Bowl, worked at the Sierra Business Council in Truckee, worked as a seasonal employee for the California Department of Agriculture and held a number of other jobs including light and heavy construction.
I have a strong commitment to listening and responding to the needs of the 5th District—I believe that community service is a higher calling and am dedicated to serving my constituents to the best of my abilities. I am honored to serve the voters and residents of the 5th District and look forward to many years of service.
It is important that your voice be heard. Please contact the office at any time if you have questions, concerns, or would like to get involved with shaping your county government.
Thank you,
Jennifer Montgomery
Placer County Supervisor
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American Pie singer Don McLean has been fined $US400 for driving his Chrysler too fast through a Maine school zone.
McLean's lawyer says he was driving at 43m/h (69km/h) in an area that has a limit of 15m/h (24km/h) when school zone warning lights are flashing and 45m/h when they're not. He argued that the lights were off, but police said in Rockland District Court on Thursday that they were on.
A judge lowered the fine from $US515 ($A495) to $US400, and McLean immediately paid up.
McLean lives in nearby Camden, along Maine's coast. He burst into popularity in 1971 with his hit American Pie, about the deaths of Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and the Big Bopper in a plane crash on February 3, 1959 - The Day the Music Died.


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One year after the Diamond boys defeated Seneca to win the Seneca Tournament, the teams reversed fortunes on Saturday as the Indians pulled off a 59-45 victory over the Wildcats to win the round-robin tourney.
One year after the Diamond boys defeated Seneca to win the Seneca Tournament, the teams reversed fortunes on Saturday as the Indians pulled off a 59-45 victory over the Wildcats to win the round-robin tourney.
After a low-scoring first quarter that had the Indians in the lead, 6-5, Seneca came out on fire in the second quarter and outscored the Wildcats, 22-10.
Things got interesting again, however, as the Wildcats cut the deficit to 37-29 to open the fourth quarter. Once the Wildcats were forced to foul, however, the Indians put things away by shooting 11-for-12 from the free throw line in the fourth quarter to bury Diamond's comeback bid. The Indians finished the game shooting 14-for-16 from the stripe.
"I was really happy with the tournament," Indians coach Will King said. "I think all teams battled hard. There were good games in almost every game. Every night was a battle. I think every team had success and gained from it."
Seth Harris led the Indians with 17 points while Bradley Jumper added 11, Kyler Ng 10, Elias Roelfsema seven, Shane Murphy and Chance Smith six and Logan St. Clair two.
Ryan Jinks poured in 14 points for the Wildcats while Logan Myers added 12, Brodie Bien 11, Evan Moreland three, Darren Russow and Trent Hayes two and Austin Singleton one.
Saturday's victory helped ease the pain ofSeneca's heartbreaking loss to Lamar, 55-53, in three overtimes on Friday.
It appeared the Indians were well on their way to victory when Ng sank a 3-pointer with 4.9 seconds remaining in regulation. The Tigers, however, ran the length of the floor and, in dramatic fashion, Josh Garfield sank a three of his own at the buzzer to tie the game at 45, sending it into overtime.
There wasn't much scoring from that point forward, though the Tigers edged the Indians 10-8 through the overtime periods.
Bradley Jumper led the way for the Indians with 22 points while Harris and Ng racked up eight apiece, Roelfsema six, Murphy and St. Clair four and Smith one.
Tripp Tucker rattled in 14 points for the Tigers.
Seneca and Diamond both finished the tournament 2-1, with the Indians earning the tiebreaker with Saturday's victory.
The Indians travel to Neosho for a 6 p.m. tilt on Tuesday.


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Wow........all you guys have mentioned either albums or cassettes that I played the garbage out of.......UFO.......PFloyd......Black Sabbath...... Judas Priest "Unleashed in the East" ()...........great to see so many rockers here.
Here's one that I played a ton but almost never do now............Ted Nugent "Ted Nugent".............grew out of Ted years ago but used to dig that album.
Originally Posted by Spartacus10: I'm not only shocked, but absolutely dissapointed to discover that not 1 person has mentioned what may be my favourite album of all time.Boston's self titled debut album.My goodness this album is magical. A sound like no other, Delp was truly one of the greatest rock voices. The originality of their sound was unlike anything else. It's extremely rare that an album has 0 "fillers", but this was one of those albums. Even some of the greatest have a couple of "fillers", but not this one.
Yep........missed it. Have it on album, cassette, & CD.
Yes-Fragile,Close to the Edge
Pink Floyd-Obscured By Clouds,Dark Side of the Moon,Animals
Led Zeppelin-Led Zeppelin2
The Beatles-White Album,Abbey Road
Bachman Turner Overdrive-Not Fragile
David Bowie-The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust,Station to Station
Peter Frampton-Frampton Comes Alive
Genesis-Wind and Wurthering
Boston-Boston 1
The Cars-The Cars
Lynyrd Skynyrd-Street Survivors
Kansas-Left Overture
The Who-Whos Next,Quadrophonia
Aerosmith-Toys in the Attic
Grand Funk Railroad-Survival
Fleetwood Mac-Rumours
Dudes... Break out the old double album covers... I bet you can still find enough there to roll a thin joint.
Then it's time for
I still have many old albums bought in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Some are from my Wifes Dad but most are my originals... and I still remember where every skip is on each album... Amazing how the mind works like that.... Heck, I don't remember the old phone number from the house I use to own for 14 years.
I also have MANY cassette tapes from the 80's and 90's.
My oldest Brother still has his old 8-track tapes... Remember those? I use to laugh when the track changed in the middle of a song in his car. He use to smack me in the head. Ha,ha,ha. Good times.
I remember getting upset at a store when all they had were the new CD's of something that I wanted and I wanted a cassette. The girl said CD's were the new thing... I said "What the heck is a CD???"
8-Tracks were fun. putting a match book under the cartridge so it would play correctly.
I remember having a dual 8 track player that also recorded. I would take 8 track cartridges that I did not like much and record songs from vinyl records and radio over it.
Youngsters now will be saying what is a CD?? most music is downloaded digitally.


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And another separation between the siblings who once did everything together.
Maybe two months ago I turned around in the car and asked the kids how they wanted to spend the afternoon that stretched before us. Little Missy's shoulders melted into the seat behind her, she got a sheepish look on her face and said, "I don't know, maybe go to the mall?"
I tried not to laugh--I mean, I don't think I laughed--but the last time we'd gone to the mall the kids groaned at the outset, as they had every time since realizing what "going to the mall meant." Truly, all reasonable children should have such a reaction. The mall is a place for mommy to bark at them to Get out of people's ways and to Keep up, please!
"And what do you want to do at the mall, sweetie?" I asked as I tried to wrap my mind around this 180 degree change in her attitude toward shopping.
"Mmmm… I don't know. Walk around?" she responded, still with the sheepish grin.
And in my mind's eye I could see a group of her friends talking on the playground about how it's fun to walk around at the mall, because the influence of her friends is the only place she could have arrived at such an idea of what is fun.
G groaned. Logically so. "Oh no, not the mall." And another separation between the siblings who once did everything together. Added to the list of video games and coloring and Harry Potter that they don't enjoy participating in together.
So. That was then. And on President's Day, when the kids were off from school, Little Missy and I made it to the mall by ourselves, to just… I don't know. Walk around. As a cute little girl once put it.
With no real goal in mind we held hands and she chattered. As we made our way to Forever 21 she stopped and the sheepish grin popped back onto her face. "I'm just getting so distracted by Justice!"
A store we've been in once, ever, when Hubby and G tried to hide their grumbles while simultaneously trying to avoid the neon clothes stuffed in every inch of the store.
I looked down at the cutie pie. "Do you want to go in Justice?"
So we entered the store on a huge sale day--she to the journals and water bottles, me to the extraordinarily marked down shirts. I kept my eye on her and we'd meet up every few minutes to discuss whether she wanted the blue journal with the "M" initial or the zebra print journal with "M" initial. We eventually paid and somehow made it out of the madness with happiness intact, but I can tell you that some other moms did not fare as well and instead griped to no one in particular about that store.
Little Missy and I left hand in hand, jittery from the adrenaline that such cheap, happy and unplanned purchases brings. Then we walked to the candy store, picked some out for everyone in the family, and ate our share at a table in the middle of the food court.
I go through this internal battle when I think about shopping with my daughters, about how I don't want them to become materialistic or think clothes are what will make them happy, but sometimes it is just plain fun to buy clothes that you sort of need and journals that you definitely do and spend an afternoon just grinning.


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BUTLER TWP — A Sunday night blaze razed a garage on Clark Avenue.
Chief Bruce Mazzanti of the South Butler Volunteer Fire Department said this morning that the fire started in the garage and spread to the roof above the attic of the attached house at 220 Clark Ave.
A woman, whose name was unavailable, and a 3-year-old child escaped the single-story brick home without injury.
Butler Ambulance personnel checked them to ensure they did not suffer from smoke inhalation.
A Butler state police fire marshal is investigating the cause.
Mazzanti said the woman suspected there was fire after hearing sounds coming from the building.
While searching the house, she spotted smoke coming into the living area. She and a neighbor both called 911.
Mazzanti said the Butler chapter of the American Red Cross is helping the woman because smoke and water damage left the home temporarily uninhabitable.
About 50 firefighters responded to the 9:44 p.m. 911 call.
Mazzanti estimated damages at $40,000 for the garage and house with another $6,000 to $8,000 for a car in the garage that was destroyed.
The Greenwood Village, Lyndora, Mercer Road, Meridian and Penn Township volunteer fire departments assisted South Butler. Crews cleared the scene at 12:24 this morning.


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The Cortez Journal encourages people to submit announcements about upcoming events for the Community Calendar. Send announcements to firstname.lastname@example.com. Items submitted at least two weeks in advance will have a better chance of getting published; items submitted several days before the event might not get published. For more information, call the Journal at 565-8527.
Annual Health Fair & Turkey Trot
The Sleeping Ute Diabetes Prevention Program will hold their Annual Health Fair & Turkey Trot from 9 a.m. to 2 p.m. on Tuesday, Nov. 13 at the Ute Mountain Casino Bingo Hall. There will be educational booths and door prizes. Everyone is welcome, and lunch will be provided. For more information, call 564-5391.
Free oral health screenings for children
Cavity Free at Three is a statewide program aimed at preventing oral disease in young children. Montelores Early Childhood Council is partnering with local physicians to join our effort and offer free oral health screenings for children ages 6 months to 3 years old, on Tuesday, Nov. 13, from 11 a.m. until noon. The event will be held at the Southwest Memorial Hospital Annex Building Community Room at 20 S. Market Street. There is no charge for the screening, which will include fluoride varnish, but you must make a reservation for your child to attend. Call Trish Peters at 565-8389 or 560-1360 to schedule an appointment for your child. Space is limited. Leave a message with your childs name, birth date, and a number where you can be reached to confirm.
SWMH Auxiliary Holiday Bazaar and Bake Sale
The Southwest Memorial Hospital Auxiliary will hold their Annual Holiday Bazaar and Bake Sale on Friday, Nov. 16 from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. in the waiting area near the gift shop. There will be lots of goodies and some great deals on early holiday shopping. For more information, call Linda Hooker at 565-2616 or Thelma Yoder at 562-4439.
Book reading for local authors Olsen, Feela
On Friday, Nov. 16 at 7 p.m. there will be a book reading with local writers Erica Olsen and David Feela at Sideshow in Dolores, 411 Central. Olsen will read selections from her new short story fiction collection Recapture, and Feela from his recent essay collection How Delicate These Arches (Colorado Book Awards Finalist) and The Home Atlas, a book of poetry. Both Olsen and Feela live in and write about the Four Corners region: its geography, artifacts, inhabitants and ways of life. Signed copies of their books will be for sale at this free event. For more details, call 739-4646.
Local writer will have book signing, interactive lecture
Chase mermaids with local writer Joe Keleher, author of Beul Nam Beinn: A Merworld Fantasy, at his interactive lecture and book signing at 5 p.m. on Friday, Nov. 16 at the Cortez Cultural Center, 25 N. Market S. There is a $5 suggested donation. For more information, call the Center at 565-1151.
Methodist Church Holiday Bazaar
Candy and pies and decorations oh, my! Plan to do your early Christmas shopping from 9 to 1 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 17 in Hampton Hall at the First United Methodist Church at 515 N. Park. Ornaments and other decorations, needlecraft, baked goodies and candy, toys and other items will be offered at reasonable prices. A complete lunch that includes a choice of homemade chicken and dumplings or chili, cornbread and pie, and a drink. Pie and beverages will also be available all morning for a donation. For more information, call Karen Bohn at 565-9273 and leave a message if there is no answer (phone will ring 10 times).
An evening with Robby Overfield and trio The Breaks
Join Durango musician, Robby Overfield and his trio, The Breaks at 8 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 17 at the Millwood Junction restaurant, corner of Hwy. 160 and Main St. in Mancos. Tickets are $12 and are available now at Southwest Sound in Durango, the Millwood Junction Restaurant in Mancos and Rocky Mountain One Stop in Cortez. Robby Overfield blends the art of storytelling and genuine lyrics with a powerful voice to complement an encapsulating listening experience. Stretching his soulful Detroit, Michigan roots, Robby Overfield and his trio have some of the best soul jams youve ever heard. For more info, check out www.robbyoverfield.com or his facebook page, or contact Tami Graham at 759-9716.
SWMH Foundation hosts Fall Dinner Dance benefit
A Fall Dinner Dance benefit for the Southwest Memorial Hospital Foundation will be held on Saturday, Nov. 17 at 6 p.m. A delicious dinner will be served at The Farm Bistro, and will be followed by dancing at Come Dance Tonight, right next door. Southwest Health System CEO Kent Helwig will give a brief presentation about current activities and future plans for the hospital. Tickets are $75 and space is limited. Call Foundation Director Susan Thomas at 564-2156 for tickets and more information.
Guest Pastor Russell will speak at Thanksgiving conference
Mountain View Baptist Church will hold a Thanksgiving conference with speaker Dr. Rodger Russell. Dr. Russell will preach Sunday, Nov. 18 at 11 a.m. and 6 p.m. Mountain View Baptist Church is located on the Corner of Hwy. 184 and CR 30.5 in Dolores. Dr. Russell has served a total of 30 years as pastor of four churches in Utah and New Mexico, and has a Masters degree from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas and a Doctorate from Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary in Mill Valley, Calif. For more information, call Pastor Scott Hartle at 739-4496.
Summit Lake church to host Community Thanksgiving Dinner
The Summit Lake Community Church will host a community Thanksgiving dinner again this year, to be held at 5:30 p.m. Sunday evening, Nov. 18. The church is located at 36501 Hwy. 184, just across from Summit Lake. The church will furnish the turkey and all the trimmings and drinks, and ask that the members of the community bring a side dish or dessert. This has been an annual event for several years and gives the community a chance to get together and get acquainted with new folks in the area. Everyone is welcome so if you have company, bring them too. For more information, call the church at 882-4144.
Documentary I Would Be Called John screens free at church
The film, I Would Be Called John will be shown free of charge on Monday evening, Nov. 19 at 6:30 p.m. at St. Margaret Mary Catholic Church Parish Hall, at Montezuma and Market streets. It is the story of Cardinal Roncalli, becoming Pope John XXIII, and his involvement in Vatican II. This is a well-done and informative documentary film of this incredible and historical event in the church and the world. Everyone is welcome. For more information, call Judy Sturdevant at 560-2007.
Tables available for upcoming Elks Christmas Bazaar
The Cortez Elks Lodge, 2100 N. Dolores Rd., is offering table rentals for their upcoming 17th Annual Christmas Bazaar, to be held on Sunday, Dec. 9. Tables are now available for rent at $25 each; we will provide the table. The deadline to reserve a table is Nov. 20. The Bazaar begins at 10 a.m. and goes until 5 p.m. Entertainment will be at 2 p.m. with the arrival of Santa at 3 p.m. He will visit with all the children who attend. There will be door prizes at least every hour, and food will be available for purchase. For more information call Sally at 739-0616.
Annual Turkey Trot Fun Run/Walk
For Pets Sake Humane Society will hold its Ninth Annual Cortez Turkey Trot on Thanksgiving Day. Registration starts at 9 a.m. Thursday, Nov. 22 at the Parque de Vida Pavilion near the Cortez Recreation Center, 425 Roger Smith Avenue. The 1 mile fun run/walk starts at 10 a.m., regardless of the weather. This is probably For Pets Sakes most enjoyable event of the year! The entry fee is $20 and includes a cool serene green commemorative T-shirt. Costumes for all are encouraged! Prizes will be awarded for fastest people and pets, best and best-coordinated costumes, best pet trick, most unusual pet to cross the finish line, and lots of other categories. All proceeds benefit For Pets Sake Humane Society and their work for the dogs and cats of Montezuma and Dolores counties. For more information call 565-PETS (565-7387).
28th Annual Holiday Craft Fair
Come by the Cortez Cultural Centers annual Holiday Craft Fair from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. on Saturday, Nov. 24, at the Montezuma County Annex, 107 N. Chestnut St., Cortez. Enjoy handmade items, franchise products, and door prizes while supporting the Cortez Cultural Center. For more information, call the Center at 565-1151.
Sights and Sounds of Christmas theme of Parade of Lights
The 23rd Annual Four Corners Board of Realtors Parade of Lights will be held Saturday, Dec. 1 at 6 p.m. The theme for this years Parade of Lights is Sights and Sounds of Christmas. This years Grand Marshal for the Parade is the Slavens family, in recognition of their longtime support and involvement in our community. There is no fee to enter a float in the parade, but an entry form must be submitted by Thursday, Nov. 29 to Terry McCabe at Century 21 West Slope Realty. Cash prizes are awarded for the best float in each of 3 categories. The Parade of Lights is held each year on the first Saturday in December, with all prizes supplied by the Four Corners Board of Realtors as their gift back to the community. For more information, call Terry McCabe at 799-4459.
Annual Dolores Community Center Christmas Bazaar
The Annual Dolores Community Center Christmas Bazaar will be held this year on Saturday, Dec. 1 at the Dolores Community Center, 400 Riverside Ave. from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. The bazaar already has 40 vendors signed up to display various crafts such as Christmas wreaths, scarves, candles, homemade breads, pies and pumpkin rolls. There will also be handmade aprons, ornaments, quilts, afghans, leather items, toys, artwork and jewelry of all kinds. Come and do your special Christmas shopping. Refreshments are being provided by the Girl Scouts and all proceeds will go to the Dolores Community Center. Contact Ruby Gonzales for more information at 882-7717.
Catholic Daughters Christmas Bazaar
The Catholic Daughters Christmas Bazaar will be held on Saturday, Dec. 1 from 8 a.m. to 3 p.m., and Sunday, Dec. 2 from 11:30 a.m. to 3 p.m. at St. Margaret Mary Catholic Church Hall, 28 E. Montezuma Ave., Cortez. Breakfast burritos will be served on Saturday from 8 to 11 a.m. and Navajo tacos will be served from noon to 3 p.m. The Junior Catholic Daughters will serve soup for lunch on Sunday from 11:30 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. Craft items, gift baskets, baked goods, stocking stuffers, wreaths, Christmas items, and homemade gifts are some of the items that will be available for purchase. All proceeds benefit our organization, which in turn supports local, national and global charities. For more information, call Elva at 565-8741 or Lucy at 564-1468.
First Annual Veterans Christmas Bazaar
The American Legion, 320 N. Harrison St. in Cortez, invites all to the upcoming First Annual Veterans Christmas Bazaar on Sunday, Dec. 2 from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. We are offering $20 table rentals for crafters and vendors for the event; tables will be provided. The bazaar will also have food available for purchase. All table rental proceeds raised will go to the Disabled American Veterans (DAV) van fund to help transport veterans to and from medical appointments in the Four Corners area. For more information, or if interested in renting a table, contact Dale Wilson at 882-4531.
Mancos Valley Chorus Christmas concerts
Very soon the snow will be flying, and itll be time to celebrate the season with a Mancos Valley Chorus Christmas concert! This year, in addition to new songs, well bring back some of our favorite Christmas songs from the past ten years, including Sleigh Ride, Im Gonna Email Santa, and Prayer of the Children. Please join us for a Christmas Past concert on one of the following dates: Sunday, Dec. 2 at 3:30 p.m. at the Mancos United Methodist Church on 470 W. Grand Ave. in Mancos; Tuesday, Dec. 4 at 7 p.m. at the First United Methodist Church, 515 N. Park in Cortez; Friday, Dec. 7 at 7 p.m. or Saturday, Dec. 8 at 3:30 p.m., both at Mancos United Methodist Church on 470 W. Grand Ave., Mancos. Hope to see you there! For questions call Carol at 882-0120 or visit www.mancosvalleychorus.org.
Series of Christian conversations
How You Can Be Part of a Christian Community With Integrity and Not Believe All Those Things You Thought You Had to Believe. On Tuesday, Dec. 3, this series of conversations will continue at St. Barnabas Episcopal Church, 110 W. North Street (corner of North and Elm). The topic for the evening is What/who is God for You? Everyone is welcomed. These gatherings are for folks who cant reconcile what they believe the church requires with their life experience; who dont want to check their minds at a church door; or who just dont want to live in a world they think the Christian church espouses but who might value being part of a community of faith. Questions are required. No answers are promised. Call 565-7865 for information.


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Monday, April 27, 2009
My kind of Conservative Cartooning
I'll explain more later and maybe touch on why I think making cartoons with crews rather than alone leads to better results.
Well a lot of people in the comments did my job for me! thanks.
I'll add a little:
When I say "conservative" I don't mean in the political sense of the word. Most artists are by their nature more liberal than the average person in general.
I mean conservative in the sense that they are cautious, afraid to go beyond certain prescribed boundaries. There are only a handful of people in any field really capable and willing to break new ground and move things forward.
The difference between old type conservative and new is basically this:
A conservative cartoonist from the old days prescribes to a complex and sundry set of boundaries. It takes a lot of learning and skill to do this.
The new type of conservative is actually 2 types:
The conservative executive is afraid of everything. Anything at all that doesn't fit a mold, that hasn't already been done a hundred times - but even worse. They are afraid of the basics! Of pure skill - and of making a committed statement to anything. That's why so many animated movies never have their characters actually make it to a finished real pose or expression. It's as if they stop at an inbetween for fear of being too clear or entertaining. (Will Finn and I came up with this theory today)
Modern conservative cartoonists don't have the benefit of solid basics, good schools or high standards in new media to look up to. All they have to work from is superficially copying current styles and trends, without knowing their origins or original purposes - if they ever had any.
Combine these 2 types of modern conservatives and you get lackluster, unskilled and predictable generic modern animation, that with each generation declines (maybe unknowingly) another notch.
Harvey Eisenberg is a conservative yet highly skilled and somewhat stylish cartoonist of the past. More on him in the next post.
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- Dan szilagyi said...
I think everything needs to have some limit, just having pure freedom of being able to do ANYTHING is not always the best, sometimes you can get really creative since you do have a limit on what you can/can't do and some really great ideas can emerge.
Thanks for sharing your ideas John!
- Niki said...
I think you've said that before. I agree, but I also think that they should try to lossen up as much as they can. A thing about making cartoons alone, should we try in a team, even if the rest of the team is artistically naive?
- Alex said...
That's good: for a second there, the lesson I took away from that was conservative = EVIL, and liberal = PURE.
'I think everything needs to have some limit, just having pure freedom of being able to do ANYTHING is not always the best, sometimes you can get really creative since you do have a limit on what you can/can't do and some really great ideas can emerge.'
That's true: some persons in the field don't have the wildest imagination, but do have good intentions in what they do. If they didn't WANT to go broad and extreme, that should not be something to be ashamed of.
- Trevor Thompson said...
If everything were zany and uncontrolled you'd have a mess. Like the MC Hammer cartoon.
- trevor.
- Archie said...
Bit of an odd request John, but i would really really appreciate it if youd did a post on cartoon hands. I've always struggled with making them relevant to the given mood or expression without over or underemphasing them. Drawing them is also difficult.
Thanks, Very much appreciate it.
- Zoran Taylor said...
I love cartoonists who swing wildly between conservatism and hysterical fits of exaggeration. It's so human. Chuck Jones did it, but for me Bill Watterson did it best. His talent for observation is always there, but one comic might be nigh-on naturalistic while the next will be full of borrowed animation techniques -multiples, stretch and squash - plus hilarious facial expressions that say entire paragraphs by themselves. (BTW, I posted a collection of my favorite ones and littered it here a few times ages ago, but I'm not gonna put it here again unless anyone cares. It's a bad habit. I'm talking to you, Mighty B and Superjail lobbyists. Even though those shows are pretty good.)
- Rudy Tenebre said...
Animation seems to be a collaborative medium in its essence, (not the least of which is simply labor based)... Independent animation seems to attempt to turn its obvious production limitations into 'arty' virtues, and always feels very constrained.
- Rudy Tenebre said...
It strikes me I'm stating the obvious in my last comment, yet I ask myself, when have you ever been in a position to make cartoons without the benefit (creatively collaborative or otherwise)of a crew?
(My brother had a beer with one of the Superjail creators quite by chance. He's certainly one of Johnny's hipsters. Could probably give a shit about Warner shorts. He's in a local band called Cheeseburger. Then again, a history of John's sense of dress over the years could qualify him as once pretty hip. Sporting laceless converse and that Rick Springfield hair! Offset by one of those vinyl strap belts only a mongoloid might wear--totally DEVO!)
- david gemmill said...
having carbuncle animate your cartoons as opposed to overseas also leads to better results.
A lot of stuff leads to better results in an "idealized" production, but John, I'm sure you're familiar with all the limitations the studio system presents. Hence, the alternative of making your own cartoons by yourself....which wasn't possible years ago (realistically), but is possible now!!
Also if you are looking for a super talented group of people to work with you risk the chance of strong egos clashing...which inevitably leads to fights, rifts, the end of a studio/show etc. I don't want to preach to choir, just making a point that is on topic. LOLZ right, mike!
You can't have your cake an eat it too.
And Mike, isn't it the yuppies that are running the WB marketing department the same group of people who get under your skin when they tell you draw tweety as a girl with flower sandals and a bikini. I'd consider that a problem that might affect someone's outlook on the "industry" and the medium they love as they are getting paid to participate in it's destruction.
I guess my idea of working for yourself goes against John's efforts to corral young talent for his own purposes of further exploring his IDEALIZED cartoon projects.
- keenom said...
You may not appreciate starstruck fans John, but that's what I am. Not gay, but just a lover of great animation, which stems from a great attitude and sense of what's either funny or interesting. In my book, you're it. Without people like you and Chuck Jones and one of my faves, Walter Lantz, this world would be way too boring. I could honestly live without Chuck and Walter as long as I had you and Ren and "Steempy" Thank you more than I can say.
- keenom said...
One other thing- I love Crusader Rabbit, Terrytoons, and Beany and Cecil when they were early cartoons and even puppets. In Mighty Mouse cartoons when the wolf hit the water, dropped from great heights by MM, they made a sound when hittling the water that went "toypaja" That's the sound, spell it any way you like...Jay Ward did lots of cool things for kids. Okay, I'm gone (don't cheer..)
- Hans Flagon said...
I'm entertaining myself by applying this meaning of 'conservative' to Alex Toth.
- david gemmill said...
Also, i should have added, that I don't mean to sound so negative. I think we all want to see good cartoons being made again. I am just offering another option that most artists neglect. There tends to be a lot of blaming and dissent towards studios/the man, but not that many people are really taking action to either a. work with them or b. go independent
At least blogs like these and others are around to remind people what cartoons are about, but cartoonists old and young need to create things instead of arguing over semantics. Discussion is fine, but where is the new content? Where are cartoons being represented today? anywhere?
Crew or no crew, shorts program or no shorts program, people just need to be creating. you can't wait for the perfect opportunity to drop in your lap.. At least i'm not going to.
- craig clark said...
Conservative non- acting? An animator would benefit from the study of pantomime where pose to pose action is paramount to sell an idea. Limits can be liberating, theatrical shorts were limited to 7 minutes, Road Runner cartoons to 10 rules of action.
Build your own limitations that your audience an anticipate and follow, and maybe they will anticipate that animators next cartoon. Great posts John!
- Rafi animates said...
Spot on John. Your posts have always been right on point, but the recent ones are quite thought-provoking.
As an independent animator I really value the freedom to experiment and explore avenues I would otherwise not. It's tough to justify it in terms of making a living, but who cares when creating the art is so thrilling, and if other people enjoy watching it, then that's awesome.
I just completed a music video called Follow The Legs, would be interested to know whether you consider it conservative. You can watch it one my site here:
(feel free to not make this comment visible on your blog, if you feel it's a shameless plug - lol)
- SoleilSmile said...
The staging is so nice in these samples:)
- Williaint said...
I became a new conservative at school, and noticed I couldn't draw like I used to. I was drawing more realistically, and learning some new/better techniques, but I couldn't draw what I wanted to. It may have be how I hold my pencil...
- pappy d said...
That definition of a conservative cartoonist sounds like a lot of guys from my generation. He's someone who knows all the rules & doesn't ever break them. His workman-like, uninspired & (for better or worse) predictable work habits make him the bedrock of the industry. You need to team him with an imaginative, energetic & over-enthused youngster right out of college.
The main problem is collaborating with the team who's funding & distributing the cartoon.
I love to collaborate with good artists even more than I hate taking orders.
The only thing more pragmatic than idealism is just doing it.
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- Stephen Worth said...
I think it's supremely disrespectful to suggest that Mike is contributing to the destruction of cartooning. Anyone who has worked alongside him, as I have, knows that he puts his talent, skill and hard work behind what he says and believes. Both Mike and John have contributed a great deal to cartoonists everywhere by sharing their knowledge on the internet. I appreciate it myself, and it irritates me to see that any fool with a blogger account can make their valuable contributions seem like pearls before swine.
When you grandstand like this at the expense of people who obviously have plenty of skill, experience and talent, you're putting yourself up for comparison against the people you're disrespecting. That really isn't a contest you're going to want to enter. Most idiots are smart enough to post anonymously to avoid that.
"Better to keep your mouth closed and risk being thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." -Mark Twain
- Zoran Taylor said...
I swear this is the first time Steve has ever commented without officially bidding us adieu! Letting the Twain set in, I guess...
- pappy d said...
A hack artist is just an artist who takes orders.
--John Cage
I'm not ashamed of it. If it wasn't for work-for-hire, I wouldn't have nearly so much skill & experience. Without that, talent isn't of much practical use.
So, as an animation archivist, would you please tell the court, in your expert opinion, did Mike or did he not tart up Tweety in drag & send him out on the streets for money.
- JohnK said...
>>You need to team him with an imaginative, energetic & over-enthused youngster right out of college.<<
To Pappy:
I couldn't disagree more!
This IS what they do and it's the biggest mistake of many shorts programs.
First, a kid out of college doesn't know anything. He has no experience yet.
Second, it destroys the motive to earn your keep, learn how things work (or don't) and be on the directors' side to help him make a good cartoon.
Now, everyone working under every director is not motivated to be loyal to him. He is just waiting to start his own cartoon and then have people under him waiting their turn.
Everyone wants to start at the top now, a horrible evil perpetrated by the networks.
- pappy d said...
Maybe I'm not seeing your broader vision. I was thinking along the lines of: Don't match an inexperienced rider with an inexperienced horse.
I don't think of working within a "complex and sundry set of boundaries" so much as working within a set of rules (how) which are bounded by principles (why). Sometimes you break the rules. You get an inspiration. It just feels right & then you check it against the principles & if it was a good idea to begin with, it will be justified. This is really satisfying because you feel both intuitive & clever.
Kids have lots of these inspirations. Their default position is "Yes". Old guys bear the scars of ten thousand lashes of "No" & over time that can dull your zeal. An old guy can explain whether an idea does or doesn't work in terms of 'why' or 'how' or even reverse-engineer a solution working backward from principles. The kid has learned something & the old guy is excited about his work again.
If a crew member isn't at least professionally dedicated to the project, he is wasting his own time. The thought of giving up part of your life for nothing but a little bit of money is horrifying to me.
Loyalty seems too interpersonal a quality to expect from employees but the director deserves faith from his crew in his role as director. In this sense, the director is a little like God.
Without the director, production is like the cold impersonal cosmos. Nature has no laws, really; only necessity. Laws & meaning itself are the work of gods &/or men. Of course, your motive might be the necessity of filling a 4-hour block of congressionally-mandated airtime & the meaning is: We get paid. In that case, you can get along fine with a sheet-timer. The actual product doesn't matter, so why not pursue a career in office politics?
The director is also responsible for the intelligent design of the universe, right down to the physics that apply there.
And the director is always right.
He may not be right at first, but this is only a test of faith. Eventually he will be right & if he has even a grain of modesty, he's going to be deeply grateful for all the help he can get.
- mike f. said...
[And Mike, isn't it the yuppies that are running the WB marketing department the same group of people who get under your skin when they tell you draw tweety as a girl with flower sandals and a bikini. I'd consider that a problem that might affect someone's outlook on the "industry" and the medium they love as they are getting paid to participate in it's destruction.]
Um, I assume you're referring to me, David, yes? The sentence is so riddled with half-assed assumptions, I don't quite know where to begin addressing it. (I'll leave your yuppie fixation alone for the time being.)
For the record, no one has ever asked me to draw Tweety "as a girl with flower sandals and a bikini". They wouldn't dare - they know better. I'm not sure where you get your information, but you sure as hell didn't ask me.
Most of the character art I draw at WB isn't even for the American market: it ends up overseas, in London and the rest of Europe. I use the WWII Clampett models for inspiration as much as I can, (circa 1943 or so.) Non-Clampett characters I draw according to their earliest classic look. For instance, I'll draw the Coyote and Roadrunner from Jones' Fast And Furry-ous (1948).
Occasionally, I'll see one of my drawings that was altered by a licensee, months or years after it left my hands. This is infuriating, to say the least. My original drawings are kept in a file in my office - marked "Exhibit A". No one touches those, no one can change them except me. And they're here for you to look at and judge any time you choose, David.
I find that it's always best to get the facts from the source.
- Ed said...
Just curious... you said it's getting worse with every generation, does that mean that with your absolute revulsion to the cartoons of the eighties you think that todays cartoons are worse than those?
- Amazing Flower said...
my favorite cartoon when i was a kid.
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Improve to 9-8 overall and 3-2 in the conference
Going into Friday night's game against the Kirksville Tigers in NCMC action at Fred Biesemeyer Court, Boonville Pirates basketball coach Scott Floyd knew it might by one of those grind it out games.
While averaging 49-50 points per game for the season, Floyd said the Tigers also have a knack for playing teams close.
Such was the case Friday night as Boonville and Kirksville combined for just 37 points after the first-two quarters. But that all changed in the second half as the Pirates outscored the Tigers 30-26 en route to a 49-44 victory.
While the win improved Boonville's record to 9-8 overall and 3-2 in the NCMC, Floyd said he thought his played gutted this win out.
"Despite the fact that we went on several scoring droughts, we maintained our defensive composure to come away with the much needed conference win," Floyd said. "In particular, freshman JT Washington came off the bench and added some much needed rebounding for us. He kept the ball alive on several offensive possessions and also grabbed some defensive rebounds against a scrappy Kirksville squad.
"We knew going in that Kirksville is a very scrappy team that plays in low scoring, close games. Our team was ready for the challenge and made enough plays when needed. Jay Barnhart and Tyler Peterson were able to provide us with enough scoring to keep the Tigers from gaining the lead. Gus Kemp came away with a team leading four steals and Tavious was able to grab five rebounds. Damario Walker played his usual solid floor game. I am very happy with the progress of this team. Like I said before, I feel like we are improving as a team at the right time of year. It was very important for us to climb above the .500 mark in conference. It should give us confidence as we move forward in the last month of the season."
The Pirates will have plenty of time to think about the game against Kirksville, as they are off until Friday at Mexico. Then it's back on the road for another conference game on Tuesday, Jan. 29 against the Kirksville Tigers.
Although Boonville finished the game shooting only 38 percent from the field, they were slightly better at the foul line while hitting on 12 of 20 shots for 60 percent.
The Pirates also had two players in double figures for the game, with junior Tyler Peterson leading the way with 13 points along with five rebounds and one steal.
Senior Jay Barnhart, meanwhile, finished the game with 12 points, five rebounds and one assist. Damario Walker added nine points, three rebounds and two assists while Gus Kemp chipped in seven points, four steals, two rebounds and one assist, Tavious Brazil with six points and five rebounds and JT Washington with two points, nine rebounds and one steal.
As for Kirksville, Tyson Grgurich tossed in 14 points.
The Pirates also put together a nice run in the first quarter by outscoring Kirksville 17-10 on 7 of 11 shooting. Of course it took a 6-0 run at the 3:13 mark in the first to pull away from Kirksville while leading 15-7. Freshman Tavious Brazil also had the hot hand early for Boonville with six of the team's 17 points.
As for the second quarter, that's a different story as Boonville came out ice cold while hitting on only 1 of 6 shots. Of course the Tigers weren't much better while outscoring the Pirates 8-2 to cut the lead to one at 19-18 at the half.
Despite scoring only two points in the period, Floyd said he thought his team was getting great looks. "I think the thing that hurt us in the second quarter it wasn't so much the offense but it was defensively," Floyd said. "We were allowing them a lot of second chance points and for as small as they are they hit the offensive glass and we couldn't convert."
Luckily the Pirates still had two quarters to make up for the disastrous second period. However after the Tigers tied the game at 19-all with 7:22 left in the third, Boonville came back and reeled off six straight points on baskets by Walker, Barnhart and Peterson to make it 25-19.
Kirksville didn't go down without a fight though. Right after Boonville's run, the Tigers came back with their own run by scoring five straight to cut the lead to one at 25-24. Meanwhile, after both teams battled again to a 27-27 tie, the Pirates came back and reeled off another five in a row on a three by Peterson, who had seven points in the period, and a tip-in by Walker to extend the lead to five at 32-27.
The fourth quarter was just as close as the first-three periods, with Kirksville cutting the lead to four (34-30) at the 6:06 mark only to have Boonville come back and reel off six straight to up the lead to nine at 39-30 with 4:22 left. The Tigers also closed the game to three points on three different occasions at 41-38, 44-41 and 46-43. However over the final 30 seconds, the Pirates closed out the game hitting 3 of 4 shots from the line to win by five.
As for the JV game, Kirksville defeated Boonville by a score of 50-34.
The Pirates, dropping to 7-2 overall and 3-2 in the NCMC, trailed Kirksville 5-4 after first period's and then were outscored 15-6 in the second to trail at the half by a score of 20-10. Meanwhile, after Boonville held a 13-12 advantage in the third, Kirksville came back and outscored the Pirates 18-10 in the fourth to win the game by 16.
Boonville JV coach Kent Peterson said his team struggled all night in every aspect of the game.
"Give Kirksville credit, they were ready to play and were well coached," Peterson said. "I told the kids after the game I did a poor job of preparing our team and making adjustments. We struggled offensively to run an offense and had a difficult time with handling their pressure. We had 17 turnovers, which many of those led to easy opportunities for Kirksville. We played much of the game without JT Washington and missed his energy and leadership. We will work this week and fix our offensive issues and work harder on our defensive assignments as well as blending some new parts as JT continues to see more varsity time.
"We battled hard in the third quarter and cut the lead to three points with about a minute left in the quarter and then gave up a three-point play and a layup at the buzzer on a missed defensive assignment to allow Kirksville to extend the lead to eight points. I really believe that was the turning point of the game for us. We have a week of practice and will get ready for Mexico on Friday."
DeAundre Lewis had the game-high for Boonville with 18 points along with four rebounds and two steals.
Clayton Lang added eight points, three steals, two rebounds and one assist while Bryce Fuemmeler chipped in five points and two rebounds, JT Washington with three points, three rebounds, one steal and one assist, Dalton Hodge with three assists, two rebounds and one steal, Alec Viertel with three rebounds and Christian Burns, Conner Pond and Jady Reese each with one rebound.
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We're planning to have a new category for the 2010 Book Fair (Our Second Annual 25th Book Fair, as some call it.) It's "Blank". One offshoot of the personal journal movement has been a lot of unused personal journals that people send to us when they clean out. (They send us some that have been used, too, and to an embarrassing degree once in a while. But that's another blog.)
We do consider changes to the Book Fair from time to time. I don't know how I achieved this reputation as a stick-in-the-mud who is uninterested in change (he said, writing on his computer screen with his quill pen.)
Some (not all) of the suggestions that have been presented to me may explain why:
Should we shift the date of the Book Fair in 2016 so that everyone in town for the Olympics can come and shop?
Should we establish a fleet of people with cars at the Book Fair who can drop off books for people who buy too many to carry? (Nice idea. I like it. Who pays for the gas, the insurance, the taxi medallions?)
Why don't we put the books on the tables by subject but in order by price, so all the most expensive ones would be at one end?
Could we have a few volunteer personal shoppers prepared to take phone messages from people who want to buy certain books but can't come?
Why don't we have a category for books signed by people nobody collects? (I kind of looked at this person and she told me, earnestly, "Because, you know, some people collect those!")
Could we have a Shopping Counselor who would just sit in a booth in the lobby and tell people where to look for the books they want?
Besides those signs for subjects, why don't we have Cross-Reference Signs? So if someone's looking in Children's Books for books on animals, they'd know to look in Nature for other books an animals?
Could we assign one special night for out most difficult customers to come for a preview before anyone else comes? They'd only be allowed in if they promised not to come the rest of the week. (No, really; somebody suggested this. Yeah, my jaw dropped, too.)
All these suggestions do contain a seed of wisdom, though, like seeds on the farm, they may be planted deep in…I forget how I was going to end that sentence. Anyway, I have to get back to work. Someone has suggested that it would save time on reshelving if people were required to buy any book they took off the shelf to look at. ("If they found they didn't want it, they could always return it for a refund, but I bet most of them would keep it. And they'd spend a lot less time blocking the aisles looking at stuff.")
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The Skyline girls basketball team turned a relatively safe halftime lead into a rout on the strength of a stellar defensive 3rd quarter Tuesday night at the Thunderdome, eventually doubling up the visiting Attica Bulldogs 54-27.
The Skyline girls basketball team turned a relatively safe halftime lead into a rout on the strength of a stellar defensive 3rd quarter Tuesday night at the Thunderdome, eventually doubling up the visiting Attica Bulldogs 54-27.
The T-Birds established a 20-7 lead after 1 quarter, Kaitlyn Stark leading the way with three 3- point plays: an "and 1" and a pair from behind the arc. Q1 would prove to be Skyline's biggest offensive period, but the T-Birds did continue to score steadily throughout the game against the Bulldogs.
The second frame saw the teams basically trading buckets, the Atticas getting just a bit the better of it to pull within a dozen, 30-18, at intermission.
In the second half, the Thunderbirds turned up the defensive pressure a notch and the Bulldogs had trouble getting the ball into the frontcourt.
Janessa Davis, Brooke Fisher, Morgan Flowers, and Kaitlyn Stark were very active on the front end of Skyline's press.
The T-Birds converted some easy transition lay-ups and the Bulldogs misfired on the few good looks they got in Q3. As a result, the Skyliners posted 12 points in the stanza while holding Attica scoreless.
Davis had 6 points—2 buckets and 2/2 FT—to pace the Lady Thunderbirds outburst in the 3rd quarter.
That turned what had been a somewhat competitive game into a laugher for the Thunderbirds, carrying a 42-18 advantage into the final period. The only mystery at that point became whether the running clock would get tripped and put an early end to the proceedings.
Skyline coach Chuck Young went deep into his bench in the 4th quarter, getting varsity minutes for all 14 girls who were suited up. (Rumors that even the towel manager got into the game proved to be erroneous.)
The T-Birds reserves did themselves proud, carrying on where the starting rotation had left off. Even though the lead did reach 30 at one point, it was decided to let the game continue in normal fashion so as not to cut short the younger girls playing time.
Hayley Mendoza made 3 FT and Betsy Giles chalked one up as well down the stretch as the JV Thunderbirds more than held their own against the Atticas.
With the win, Skyline's girls moved to 8-6 on the season. The next game on the menu is a homecoming tilt on Friday against the visiting Cunningham Wildcats, a team the T-Birds drilled earlier this season in the 54 Classic.
Janessa Davis 5-0-3/4-13; Flowers 3-0-0-6; Mendoza 0-0-3/4-3; Richardson 2-0-1/3-5; Kaitlyn Stark 4-3-5/6-22; Fisher 1-0-0-2; Giles 0-0-1/2-1; T. DeWeese 1-0-0/3-2