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August 3, 2008
Stupid, Petty, Ungrateful, Ignorant
We may think that Red Sox fans are a different breed, cut from better cloth than the average baseball fan. More loyal, more knowledgeable. But then something happens that shows beyond all doubt that Red Sox fans can be as stupid, petty, ungrateful, and ignorant as any other team's fans.
In the first inning of Sunday's game, after Jason Bay threw Mark Ellis out at second base (trying to stretch a single into a double), NESN showed some of the Fenway crowd. Several people were holding up signs (distributed by WEEI) that read: "Manny Who?"
Amy, a frequent commenter here, was in Box 91 (in right field) for Saturday night's game. She commented that "when Bay hit his [three-run] HR, the crowd started chanting, 'Manny Who?' over and over."
Ian Browne (redsox.com beatwriter) mentioned the chant in his game story, saying it was only "a smattering of Fenway fans". Amy's take: "It sounded like far more than a smattering ... It only lasted for a few minutes, but it was pretty loud."
She added that a bunch of boorish, beer-guzzling young men were chanting nearby and "perhaps that's what made it so loud for me". Perhaps. Browne is pretty straight-forward in his reporting, so I'm tempted to say that what was loud in right field sounded more faint to someone up in the press box.
If WEEI felt compelled to print up signs, why not "Thank You Manny!" or "Goodbye Manny!" on one side and "Welcome Jason!" on the other side? ... I know -- if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.
Shame on everyone who not only took one of the signs, but was enough of an idiot to actually hold it up during the game. As I have said before (after Keith Foulke was booed in 2005, if I recall), I would love to have the power to erase the memories of these "fans" of everything Red Sox-related after Game 3 of the 2004 ALCS, because they do not deserve to remember and forever savour what came afterwards.
I had a different Manny post ready to go this morning, but then I saw the WEEI signs during Sunday's game and I got totally pissed off and wrote the above. Here is the other post:
The Last Word On Manny Ramirez
Manuel Aristides Ramirez was an essential part of the first Boston Red Sox team to win a World Series championship in 86 years.
During that historic drought, millions of Red Sox fans were born, devoted themselves to the team, and died without seeing the Boston team celebrating on the field after the final game of the season.
Manny Ramirez was one of the men who brought us something many of us thought we might never see -- a World Series title. ... (How many of us said "All I want is one"?) ... And then he helped win another championship three years later!
He deserves our heartfelt thanks, and he deserves to be as happy as humanly possible for the rest of his life.
81 comments:
- Jere said...
I think the people who are happy to see Manny go are those who are weak enough to be swayed by the radio/newspapers, and of course, racists.
- August 3, 2008 at 11:06 PM
- Jere said...
But I was happy on Friday night to see pro-Manny signs in the background on both righty and lefty batters. And Papi wearing the 24 wristbands.
There were no anti-Manny chants today that I heard from the Monster seats, but I definitely saw some dumb signs. I opted to wear my Manny jersey....
- August 3, 2008 at 11:16 PM
- FenFan said...
I sat in the left-field grandstand Saturday night and heard the "Manny Who?" chants (loud enough but not that loud). My guess would be that they are of the same mentality of fans who still feel compelled to yell "Yankees Suck!"
Even worse was the previous Sunday night when the Yanks were in town. As I joined my fellow fans in a pre-game moment of silence for the passing of Russ Gibson, some jerk yelled "Yankees Suck!" right in the middle of it. *sigh*
- August 4, 2008 at 4:34 AM
- Boston said...
I had a allot of wonderful times with my ex-girlfriend. I was also VERY good and generous to her. Then one night I caught her with another guy. Should I thank her for all the wonderful times or feel betrayed that she ended it that way?
I feel betrayed that Manny could not finish the year like a man! I help pay his salary so that was the least he could do for his fans:)
- August 4, 2008 at 4:36 AM
- Pat said...
Lighten up! It's all in good fun. It's "Manny being Manny": "Fans being Fans". Calling names is so uncalled for.
- August 4, 2008 at 4:43 AM
- Amy said...
It really did make me feel sad. My stomach did one of those flips you get when you hear someone is ill or died.
(BTW, Allan, notice that this time I did read the main post, not just the comments. I feel sort of famous and honored for being quoted!)
- August 4, 2008 at 5:07 AM
- L-girl said...
Calling names is so uncalled for.
Isn't that the point of the post?
Then one night I caught her with another guy.
More like you treated her like shit for so long that she finally got up and walked.
- August 4, 2008 at 5:18 AM
- L-girl said...
. I opted to wear my Manny jersey....
Cool! I've missed you around the threads the last few days, thought you might be at the games. Glad to know you were!
- August 4, 2008 at 5:19 AM
- L-girl said...
I would love to have the power to erase the memories of these "fans" of everything Red Sox-related after Game 3 of the 2004 ALCS, because they do not deserve to remember and forever savour what came afterwards.
- August 4, 2008 at 5:20 AM
- Boston said...
More like you treated her like shit for so long that she finally got up and walked.
"Interesting take"
... I believe the Red Sox treated Manny very well over the years and have been very professional in doing so.
(I also treated my ex girlfriend very well too :)
Manny can be an amazing baseball player when he WANTS to be. Too bad someone with so much talent is so messed up. Give him time - he will turn on LA too! That's what people like that do:)
- August 4, 2008 at 6:06 AM
- A little night musing said...
Well said, redsock.
I haven't been able to get my thoughts organized since the Trade. But one of the things that keeps striking me is the willingness of [some] fans to get caught up in ugliness like this.
I would like to think that I can hope that Jason Bay will work out well for the Red Sox without having to let go of my love of Manny. Yesterday, watching the Red Sox and then the Dodgers in succession, I felt that could happen. I had fun watching the Red Sox win (since I missed seeing the signs in the early innings) and I enjoyed watching Manny go 4-for-5 and seeming to have a blast doing so, finally.
You know what? I feel sorry for anyone who couldn't enjoy both of those things.
- August 4, 2008 at 6:17 AM
- A little night musing said...
Jere, I saw your post about sitting next to John Hanry in the Monster seats. Great story! Good job snagging the video too.
I opted to wear my Manny jersey....
I'm wearing my Manny "Legend" shirt at every opportunity.
- August 4, 2008 at 6:24 AM
- L-girl said...
I believe the Red Sox treated Manny very well over the years and have been very professional in doing so.
I don't call the circus that we just witnessed very professional. The Red Sox used the media to do their dirty work, but it's dirty work just the same.
Manny can be an amazing baseball player when he WANTS to be.
Manny is an amazig baseball player.
Too bad someone with so much talent is so messed up. Give him time - he will turn on LA too! That's what people like that do:)
You talk as if you have some special knowledge of Manny's personality or his future, while you parrot what the media has fed you.
- August 4, 2008 at 6:27 AM
- doublenicks said...
There is no doubt the spin machine is in full effect by the media . . . I overheard people at breakfast yesterday talking about how Manny was running out ground balls in LA. Bah! Why is Manny jogging to 1st suddenly a problem in 2008? He's been doing it forever. He wasn't great because of his D (although he showed flashes). He wasn't great because of his baserunning. He was(is) great because he rakes. Period.
I was in favor of the Bay trade. It was time. But I won't stop missing or rooting for Manny (unless he's playing against the Sox).
- August 4, 2008 at 6:34 AM
- redsock said...
Lighten up!
I have an idea. Fuck off.
- August 4, 2008 at 6:48 AM
- johngoldfine said...
It's deeply ugly that the media should create/distribute the signs to hype the story and should find Manny's departure an occasion to appeal to people's smallest selves. To whip up a crowd. Dare one say a lynch mob?
"Manny Who?" is so fucking stupid and wrong on so many levels--and there people are, thinking of themselves as cool as they do dumber and dumber shit at the behest of WEEI.
- August 4, 2008 at 7:11 AM
- Boston said...
You talk as if you have some special knowledge of Manny's personality or his future, while you parrot what the media has fed you.
...I'm only basing my opinion on what I have seen with my eyes including working at Fenway. Just an opinion though.
Let me throw this question out there. Did the Boston Red Sox do anything that was unprofessional or ethically wrong? What did they say that was not true or misleading? (facts only please:)
Maybe someone has that inside scoop that can change our feeling of betrayal :)
- August 4, 2008 at 7:15 AM
- L-girl said...
Perhaps someone else will take up "Boston"'s questions. I personally have no interest in that debate.
John Goldfine says it perfectly above.
And as Allan says, so-called fans who can't just wish Manny well, while also appreciating Jason Bay's contributions, don't deserve the joy and pride he gave us in 2004 and 2007 (and the other years, too!).
- August 4, 2008 at 7:31 AM
- Boston said...
Sorry to put you on the spot L-girl. I was just responding to your comment that said
"I don't call the circus that we just witnessed very professional. The Red Sox used the media to do their dirty work, but it's dirty work just the same."
I just didn't see it the same way. We agree to disagree:)
I love the Boston Red Sox - always have (although I have disagreed with many choices they have made).
Unfortunately I don't always feel the same way about some of the players. I'm sure there are some SF fans out there that can relate :)
- August 4, 2008 at 7:48 AM
- Rob said...
Ignorant, drunk fans at a baseball game? I'm stunned, stunned! And WEEI caters to that demographic by and large, so it's no surprise really they would put out these cards.
That having been said, I do think it's entirely consistent to appreciate what Manny did here for this team but at the same time be relieved that he is gone. I will always respect the man and his extreme talent, but he was poisoning this team in the last few weeks. I think all partiesi involved are better off for the changes of scenery.
- August 4, 2008 at 7:49 AM
- Boston said...
I do feel the Boston Red Sox won the World Series with Manny's help.
... but there were many times they won games DESPITE Manny's behavior. The same can't be said about Pappi or many of the other CLASS acts on the team.
- August 4, 2008 at 7:51 AM
- L-girl said...
You weren't putting me on the spot. I was aware of what you were responding to. I'm just uninterested in arguing about it, as my views on the subject are already well-documented on this blog.
Despite all the smileys, the implication that Boston fans should "relate" to how Giants fans may feel about Bonds shows a real short-sightedness about baseball, and a huge blindspot. That's another reason I see no reason to argue: your mind is obviously made up, as is mine.
- August 4, 2008 at 7:57 AM
- redsock said...
The same can't be said about Pappi or many of the other CLASS acts on the team.
P.S.: Why is almost every single person who has come out out of the woodwork to criticize something I've written about Manny unwilling to have a visible profile?
- August 4, 2008 at 8:11 AM
- s1c said...
A quote from the Anchoress (while I work on my Manny Who avatar)- "When we are incapable of finding "one good thing" to say about Bush or Pelosi or even someone in our personal lives, we've surrendered reason to repellent hate; the hate owns us. At that point, we are no better than the person we abhor; we may be worse."
Call me in the middle of this, I loved Manny when he was raking, I hated Manny when he was pushing people to the ground, slapping people on tv, having a ball end up under his ass or other similar things but the man could hit. He could hit it far and he could hit it hard. The Sox were a better team when he was locked in and just playing baseball. The Sox were not a better team since the all star break when he got personal in his attacks. Are the Sox better off today than they were on 7/31 ? Probably but will the be better on 9/30? Not a chance.
You can blame the media, you can blame the front office but Manny also played a hand in his departure. As Bradford said on WEEI, Manny took the bait. So I will concentrate on the good of Manny as I play my DEEP IN THE NIGHT call by Joe C. from last year and try to forget the teeth grinding that he did other times. Good luck Manny, gone but not forgotten.
- August 4, 2008 at 8:15 AM
- girlanachronism said...
The best I can do right now w/r/t Bay is be neutral. I will not take my frustration about the Manny situation out on him, and it's not his fault or under his control.
But I also don't really understand the sudden plethora of Bay shirts around town or the standing ovation he got when he came in...in statements that were even published in the Boston papers, Manny made clear that he didn't mean to be alienating the fans - he had a business issue with the ownership and appreciated the fans of Boston.
I'm a little bit more on the fence as far as what the real story is - I'm not totally comfortable with fully blaming the media circus any more than I'm totally comfortable fully blaming Manny - we can't know what went on behind closed doors and so all of us are just left with our impressions, what we're inclined to believe.
But I do think Manny is owed some respect or at least remembrance for all the years he spent here, the championships he brought us, and the presence he brought to the ballpark. He was a staple and a fixture, and acting like you've forgotten him so fast is just patently obvious sour grapes.
- August 4, 2008 at 8:29 AM
- L-girl said...
Well said, Girlanachronism.
* * * *
I cannot find one good thing to say about the person in the White House, and I reject the idea that that makes me as bad as him, or that it makes me full of hate. It merely makes me honest.
There are people in the world about whom nothing good can be said.
- August 4, 2008 at 9:05 AM
- redsock said...
Red at Surviving #@*& agrees.
- August 4, 2008 at 9:41 AM
- doublenicks said...
I don't think Bay is at risk of feeling the frustration of Manny's departure. The guy is getting the biggest ovation of anyone right now. I just hope he lives up to the expectations because you know there are those that will turn on him when he stops being the savior and starts just being good old 30/100 Jason Bay.
- August 4, 2008 at 10:05 AM
- Jack Marshall said...
Sometimes the nastiness directed at anyone who dares to utter a divergent opinion about Ramirez here reminds me of a cult. On JOS facts, logic and figures rule, except when it challenges Manny worship, and then it's "destroy the infidel." Strange, and kind of scary.
WEEI was classless to distribute the signs. Fans have every right---and reason-- to be pissed at Manny. I would never chant anything at the park,and I would never boo him, because he does deserve respect, credit and gratitude for his role in two championships. But the team, including Francona, was convinced that he sat out a game against the Yankees (which the Sox lost 1-0) to make some kind of incoherent point about his contract, and threatened to do more of the same. The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that WAS the case, and if that was the case, it was unforgivable---a player letting down the team,the fans and the players, violating his commitments, and intentionally hurting Sox chances THIS season for personal gain. I'm pissed at Ramirez for forcing the Sox to trade him now, which is how I see it. It's not too different from the way I feel about Jay Payton. I think it is absurd to say the team treated Ramirez badly---really ridiculous. I thnk it's bizarre to infer diabolical anti-Manny motives from the statements of people like John Henry, Theo, Gammons and Remy, who are Sox fans through and through. Manny himself was 100% responsible for this episode, and for weakening the Sox, if that's how you see it.
I'm not happy to see Manny go, in the sense that I wish he could have made it possible to keep him in the line-up. The eccentric stuff, we could put up with like we have been for 8 years. I'm glad he's gone, because I don't think the team could depend on him any more, or at least didn't believe it could, which is the same thing, and he was a threat to derail the season.
I was NOT swayed by the media---I think I was a little ahead of the media (gee, maybe they were swayed by ME! Probably not...).
And race-baiting on this is absolutely offensive and uncalled for, Jere.
- August 4, 2008 at 10:08 AM
- JCal76 said...
"I have an idea. Fuck off."
Usually pretty intelligent posts, arguments and thoughts which some I agree with and some I don't but this was a little strange to see.
"P.S.: Why is almost every single person who has come out out of the woodwork to criticize something I've written about Manny unwilling to have a visible profile?"
I can't speak for anyone else but I'm fairly new to posting on blogs and I don't even know if my profile is visable or not. If someone disagrees with you and their profile is visable does that mean they get a special shout out or something?
As far as Bay getting a standing ovation, didn't JD Drew, Cocoa Crisp, Dice, Schill etc all get standing o's when they first started for Boston? I figured that was a nice "welcome", nothing to do with Manny. Anti-Manny chants and signs are uncalled for but some people grieve in different ways and resentment for leaving, whether it's Boston's fault or Manny's, is not uncommon. Now if Manny ever plays at Fenway Park again and even one Sox fan boo'ed him I would presonally escort them to a nice clogged Fenway toilet and unclog it with their face.
- August 4, 2008 at 10:26 AM
- L-girl said...
Sometimes the nastiness directed at anyone who dares to utter a divergent opinion about Ramirez here reminds me of a cult.
What nastiness? Examples, please?
The nastiest comment on this topic by far came from you, Jack, when you accused everyone who disagrees with you as being mindless drones under some sort of spell.
And you still haven't stopped. Now we're a cult. We're scary! (Although apparently not scary enough.)
What's offensive is not Jere calling racism where he sees it - where he sees it, Jack, not you, it's his opinion, his observation - what's offensive is your friggin self-righteousness. Get over yourself!
- August 4, 2008 at 10:28 AM
- A little night musing said...
He deserves our heartfelt thanks, and he deserves to be as happy as humanly possible for the rest of his life.
- August 4, 2008 at 10:31 AM
- L-girl said...
"I have an idea. Fuck off."
Usually pretty intelligent posts, arguments and thoughts which some I agree with and some I don't but this was a little strange to see.
You may have found it strange, but it was not, as Jack may have been implying, said because someone had a divergent opinion.
Many bloggers HATE when people tell them to lighten up, not be upset about something, not care about something, or tell them their topic is silly or useless. I assumed that Redsock was responding to that.
When someone tells me one of my posts is silly, that I shouldn't be upset about something that upsets me, I have a similar reaction.
Re nonvisible profiles, it is considered bad form to post anonymously. It's the equivalent of not standing behind your comments. An anonymous poster never has to return with the same identity. S/he can post and run, never having to back anything up or hear any criticism.
It's another thing manny bloggers find irritating. You may not, but many other people do.
- August 4, 2008 at 10:39 AM
- L-girl said...
Jcal76, your profile says you've been on blogger since August 07. It's a visible profile.
- August 4, 2008 at 10:40 AM
- redsock said...
a cult ... Strange ... kind of scary ... absurd ... really ridiculous ... bizarre
Plus we're all under "mass-hypnosis". With someone who likes my blog saying this, who needs trolls?
And race-baiting on this is absolutely offensive and uncalled for, Jere.
I strongly disagree.
Also: Manny: Perception vs Reality
- August 4, 2008 at 10:42 AM
- redsock said...
Many bloggers HATE when people tell them to lighten up, not be upset about something, not care about something, or tell them their topic is silly or useless. I assumed that Redsock was responding to that.
Not only bloggers, but many PEOPLE hate it when someone smug shithead tells them to not be so angry at something they are angry about.
- August 4, 2008 at 10:48 AM
- sparky said...
I had somewhat of a different take on Manny supposedly taking a game (or two) off. I happened to be at the game in Yankee stadium where Manny took a 3 pitch pinch hit K with the game on the line. I turned to my friend and said "See, why do you have to mess with him when he asks for a day off?" I remember something similar earlier in the season when he had asked for the day off but was in the lineup. In his first at bat, he got tossed for arguing balls and strikes. I remember thinking the same thing. By the way, after the Yankee game he was involved with winning the next two games against the Twins (was at both of those games too). The numbers don't lie - he plays a lot in a season, just don't mess with him when he asks for a day off.
Oh, and people complaining about "Yankees Suck!" chants? I have a deeper understanding of this phenomena after leaving Yankee stadium upon a Red Sox loss. The "Boston Sucks!" chant in the tunnel was so loud, my ears were ringing. Once I reminded myself of the standings, I realized it's something much deeper than baseball.
- August 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM
- L-girl said...
Not only bloggers, but many PEOPLE hate it when someone smug shithead tells them to not be so angry at something they are angry about.
Of course. It's not only bloggers. It's an incredibly provocative and insensitive thing to say. If you don't share someone's feelings, say so, and state your own feelings. Don't presume to tell other people what they should and shouldn't feel.
- August 4, 2008 at 10:55 AM
- redsock said...
Sometimes the nastiness directed at anyone who dares to utter a divergent opinion about Ramirez here reminds me of a cult.
Actually, Jack, judging from every report, article, video clip, and online poll I have seen since last Thursday, people like me are stating the divergent opinion. We are in the minority.
And for that opinion, we are getting plenty of nastiness in return (e.g., your insults about our inability to think for ourselves and the ease with which we allegedly have been manipulated).
It's time to give it a fucking rest.
- August 4, 2008 at 10:56 AM
- nixon33 said...
someone print up these signs,
- August 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM
- Dan said...
Damn .. everyone's getting in on this. And since everyon'es got an opinion (and entitled to such), I'm gonna add my 2 cents :-).
I loved watching Manny rake and even loved watching some of his antics. I love that the current FO has brought us a great team year after year. With that, I actually place the blame on both parties. Manny or pulling the BS that affected the team (his team) and the FO for their "smear" campaign (for lack of better terminology). The actions reek of Scott Boras, but not many people mention him.
But as I said, that's my opinion. I think Jason Bay was underrated due to the team he was on and I think we can expect great things out of him in the future.
- August 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM
- Rob said...
I think a lot of the people initially applauding Bay so loudly were doing so to make him feel welcome here. I'm sure he was very nervous stepping in for a superstar like Manny. Since he has played so well in the 3 games so far, it seems like the cheers now are in appreciation of that excellent play.
And being in this town, I can say it definitely seemed like people turned against Manny (even his supporters like myself) after he shoved down the traveling secretary. I suspect that was the turning point for the media who usually supported him as well (outside of Shaughnessy and some WEEI folks who have never liked him). In that aftermath, I know my tolerance for his antics waned when he was clearly acting out because he didn't want the team to pick up his option for next year.
- August 4, 2008 at 11:13 AM
- redsock said...
A quote from the Anchoress (while I work on my Manny Who avatar)- "When we are incapable of finding "one good thing" to say about Bush or Pelosi or even someone in our personal lives, we've surrendered reason to repellent hate; the hate owns us. At that point, we are no better than the person we abhor; we may be worse."
I can't agree with that, ish. So if I can't find anything good to say about a mega-evil person --pick one out of history's hat -- then I am as bad as he is or worse?
I'm assuming by "one good thing" she doesn't mean something as inconsequential and meaningless as "he liked his dog" or "he gave a kid a quarter once".
Hatred can be healthy.
P.S. And are Bush and Pelosi supposed to be presented as opposites in that quote? Because from my chair, they are partners in mass murder and they both disgust me.
- August 4, 2008 at 11:16 AM
- A little night musing said...
Speaking strictly for myself, here:
I follow baseball for the pleasure it gives me. I get a little giddy when I'm watching a game and it's going well. I was over the moon when I got to see Manny's 501st HR. I don't really want to spend a lot of time dwelling on the negatives, assuming I even agree with anyone about what those are. I've never yelled "Yankees Suck", because that's not why I watch the game. (I admit to getting a little schadenfreude pleasure out of the Yankees' troubles recently, but that's mostly about Ugly Triumphalist Yankees Fans I have to deal with here in NYC and less about the Yankees themselves, with whom, as long as they become just another team and not a Mystique, I'm perfectly willing to live and let live. And, further parenthetically, I've always liked Joe Torre and I'm glad to see him looking so relaxed in LA.)
Anyone who's read my posts about Manny (or who knows me) knows that I love him for the pure joy I experience every time I see him, vicariously experiencing his enjoyment of the game and his skill in playing it, and anyone who wants to take that joy away from me will have to pry it from my dead, bleeding hands.
Same thing for my following the Red Sox.
[I have more to say on this, but I won't exploit this space to say it.]
- August 4, 2008 at 11:26 AM
- redsock said...
I believe this is McAdam's first report on the McCormick incident.
McAdam did not witness the altercation, but he was the first to report it. So where did he get this info?
Oddly, he offers no attribution to the details he describes, not even a perfunctory "according to a person who witnessed the incident" description.
Obviously, *something* happened that night, but the details have remained sketchy. Did any information about who leaked this story to McAdam ever come out?
- August 4, 2008 at 11:28 AM
- A little night musing said...
I agree with nixon, except I do wish you'd lay off the c-word, my friend.
- August 4, 2008 at 11:28 AM
- L-girl said...
I agree with nixon, except I do wish you'd lay off the c-word, my friend.
But then he wouldn't be Nix!
Nix, if you go to Fenway with that sign, you MUST take a picture of it so Allan can post it here!!
- August 4, 2008 at 11:31 AM
- L-girl said...
[Allan, I totally agree with you, as you know, but Ish didn't say that, s1c did.]
Must we find something good to say about Stalin, Pinochet, Pol Pot? And if we can't, we are as bad as them, or worse???
I understand the idea of not being consumed by hatred, but hate can be well deserved.
- August 4, 2008 at 11:34 AM
- Boston said...
I have a feeling redsock is a very healthy person :)
- August 4, 2008 at 11:34 AM
- redsock said...
[I have more to say on this, but I won't exploit this space to say it.]
If it's on topic (and you agree with me :>) ), I don't think it's exploiting space.
(Maybe on your own blog? Speaking of which, read ALNM's fantastic May 2008 post about Sexy Lips.
- August 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM
- s1c said...
Actually I posted the Anchoress quote, not because it was about bush / pelosi, but to try to remember the good and don't let the hate rule you.
It is my opinion that we are seeing hatred of the Media, The Front Office, the Manny Backers and the Manny bashers.
Lets remember we are fans of the Sox first and I choose to remember the good things that each of media, the Front Office and Manny have brought for our pleasure.
It was not a political statement but don't let the hate get in the way.
- August 4, 2008 at 11:35 AM
- redsock said...
but Ish didn't say that, s1c did
Errr, maybe I was talking to ish about s1c's post? ...
- August 4, 2008 at 11:37 AM
- L-girl said...
Disapproval and disagreement is not hate.
I don't think hate is entering into this. Strong opinions are being expressed, because there are strong feeling attached to this issue. But hate is something else entirely.
- August 4, 2008 at 11:37 AM
- L-girl said...
Wow, that post looks awesome. I am going to bookmark it to read later. It may be a while, but I always get to my to-read bookmarks eventually.
- August 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM
- L-girl said...
(Jere, in case you're reading, I have decided to join the majority regarding the word "awesome". I hope it doesn't tarnish me too much in your eyes.)
- August 4, 2008 at 11:40 AM
- redsock said...
A Red Sox fan without barrels of hatred for various players, managers, umpires, writers, broadcasters, and club executives through the years isn't much of a Red Sox fan at all.
- August 4, 2008 at 11:42 AM
- redsock said...
It was not a political statement
I know, but I was indulging in the JoS rule that allows me to express a political opinion in any discussion at any time!
- August 4, 2008 at 11:45 AM
- s1c said...
years isn't much of a Red Sox fan at all
Then I guess I am just not a true fan.
- August 4, 2008 at 11:46 AM
- JCal76 said...
Redsock - Lineups? Please? Quickly, I need it. I don't care if they're not posted yet, just make something up.
- August 4, 2008 at 11:47 AM
- Rob said...
You're just as bad as the knuckleheads who won't listen to anyone that gives Manny any credit for his great play here. He was not the angel you're making him out to be and there were legitimate reasons to want him off this team. If you want to put your stock in some conspiracy to drive him out of town by the owners fueling racist fans, that's certainly your prerogative but it is not very interesting to read frankly.
- August 4, 2008 at 12:09 PM
- nixon33 said...
the c-word was very popular here last year, im just carrying on the tradition ;)
- August 4, 2008 at 12:14 PM
- L-girl said...
it is not very interesting to read frankly
Somebody forcing you to read this blog?
- August 4, 2008 at 12:16 PM
- redsock said...
... but it is not very interesting to read frankly.
Then don't read it.
- August 4, 2008 at 12:16 PM
- redsock said...
L-Sock strikes again!
- August 4, 2008 at 12:17 PM
- Meg said...
I had fun watching the Red Sox win (since I missed seeing the signs in the early innings) and I enjoyed watching Manny go 4-for-5 and seeming to have a blast doing so, finally.
You know what? I feel sorry for anyone who couldn't enjoy both of those things.
Amen to that! :) I couldn't agree more, a little night musing.
- August 4, 2008 at 12:55 PM
- Bruce B said...
I appreciate Manny the same way I appreciated Johnny Damon -- they both gave us Sox fans everything we could have asked for, before they left, and the circumstances around their departure don't change that at all (and are arguable, besides).
I hope Manny is happy in LA.
Honest question about Jere's original comment, that the people who are happy to see Manny go include "of course, racists." Is that really still an issue? Either from personal encounters or from media? (I've been away from Boston for a while, living near San Francisco.)
- August 4, 2008 at 1:10 PM
- 9casey said...
I understand you feelings for Manny, why are they not the same for, Schilling, Varitek, and Timlin?
- August 4, 2008 at 1:21 PM
- L-girl said...
I understand you feelings for Manny, why are they not the same for, Schilling, Varitek, and Timlin?
Who is this addressed to and what are you referring to? More info, please?
- August 4, 2008 at 2:17 PM
- L-girl said...
Honest question about Jere's original comment, that the people who are happy to see Manny go include "of course, racists." Is that really still an issue? Either from personal encounters or from media?
It's still an issue, because there's still racism in the world. That hasn't gone away.
Latino players are often characterized as lazy and selfish in a way that white players seldom are.
Many fans and media tolerate - even celebrate - certain behaviour from white players, while condemning the same behaviour in non-white players.
And on and on.
At the same time, many white people seem to need to deny the existence of racism, as if it is a historical phenomenon only. (I'm not implying you do this, I wouldn't know.)
I always wonder when they think racism vanished, what year it magically melted away.
- August 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM
- Joe Grav said...
I think Schilling is a jackass, but I have nothing but undying gratitude for his role in bringing us a World Series and would never boo him, or chant "Curt Who?"
- August 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM
- Bruce B said...
I remembered hearing there were some bozos booing Johnny Damon the first time he came back with the Yankees, because he'd gone to the Evil Empire.
Booing in good fun = great
Forgetting what he helped do for the team = dumb
That's why I wasn't talking about Timlin or Schill, who both left/are leaving "on good terms", to my knowledge, or about Varitek who so help me is still there, I hope. (He's the one jersey I have, frankly... though it's hard to see him showing his age.)
My question about "racism" was to the assembled group. I actually thought Jere might have been sarcastic at first, but after reading a few postings I realized it apparently wasn't. And I don't want to make a big thing about it, if it's not a big thing.
- August 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM
- redsock said...
I understand you feelings for Manny, why are they not the same for, Schilling, Varitek, and Timlin?
I'm not sure there are logical reasons for why we like some players more than others.
In the link I posted to ALNM's post about Tavarez, she begins with this: "Why do we follow certain players avidly while others hold little interest?"
Who knows? The three guys you mention are okay, if a bit bland. And as you might expect, Schilling and Timlin have said things (non-baseball things!) in the past that have offended or annoyed me.
It's a good subject, though. I think I like characters who are clearly enjoying themselves rather than players that look overly serious.
I loved Yaz as a kid, but I also liked Boomer Scott and Eck. And Burleson -- maybe he was a bit of both. Never warmed to Boggs, and worshiped Pedro.
And my fave player of all time is Babe Ruth -- the ultimate player, the ultimate character, the ultimate goof and the ultimate "X Being X" in the entire history of the universe!
Babe Ruth story I'm trying to research a bit more:
He once threw down his glove and started playing in the outfield with a stray puppy that had come out onto the field -- during a game!
- August 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM
- Texas Gal said...
Great insight, as always, redsock.
I tried to express my similar thoughts over at my place- but anyone who is glad to see Manny go is lying or kidding themselves. He is a phenomenon, and was a massive part of the team's successes. That's not to excuse any mistakes he made along the way, but Manny was and is a helluva lot more than the "Manny being Manny" kerfluffles WEEI and Shaugnessey tried to drum up.
That said, my personal (growing) affinity for Jason Bay has absolutely nothing to do with my feelings for Manny. If someone chooses to view me liking Bay as me hating on Manny, that's their baggage, not mine. I love Manny, I like Jason. They are not mutually exclusive sentiments.
- August 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM
- 9casey said...
L-girl said...
Latino players are often characterized as lazy and selfish in a way that white players seldom are.
In my daily life, I see more racism between blacks and Puerto Ricans, than any other races out there. That maybe way off subject , but these 2 races really seem to have a dislike for each other. That is only in my dealings . I am not trying to make a broad statement by no means......Redsock good answer, honest....
one of my problems here is that some of the people who hate Lugo for hitting his wife(allegedly) , still love Manny even though he allegedly push down an older man...Now if the bias is based on baseball ability, thats just not right.
- August 4, 2008 at 2:48 PM
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- August 4, 2008 at 2:57 PM
- Bruce B said...
Quick story about Johnny Damon: In Game 5 of the 2003 ALCS in Oakland (one time it was good to be a Sox fan here, since it was possible to get tickets!) -- Damon went down hard in a collision with Damian Jackson.
He lay still for a long time.
The crowd was scared silent. An ambulance came out, they very carefully got him onto a stretcher, immobilized his neck etc.
But as they slowly loaded the stretcher into the ambulance, his arm came up with a thumb's-up. (Yes, he was lying on his back, so his thumb was actually parallel to the ground... but we knew what he meant.)
The place went absolutely berserk.
- August 4, 2008 at 2:58 PM
- LJCohen said...
This is my 'armchair' psychiatrist assessment (and I'm not a shrink, nor do I play one on TV, LOL)
I think Manny was stressed by the attention and pressure on him in David Ortiz' long absence and the fact that his contract was up at the end of this year. It's hard to deal with uncertainty--sometimes it leads you to make a decision, any decision, just so the ambiguity is taken away.
You also have a fairly emotional guy dealing with a pretty closed administrative structure. I think they both misread the other's cues. (You know, like management is from mars, players are from venus. . .)
But what's done is done. Baseball is a business. Players and teams need to do what they each think is in their best interests.
I will miss that crazy guy with the dreads and the million watt smile. I enjoyed watching him play, at the plate and on the field.
- August 4, 2008 at 4:13 PM
- redsock said...
think Schilling is a jackass, but I have nothing but undying gratitude for his role in bringing us a World Series and would never boo him, or chant "Curt Who?"
I'll yell at him from inside my house, but in public, never. He (and Foulke) risked their careers that month.
- August 4, 2008 at 4:53 PM
- redsock said...
But as they slowly loaded the stretcher into the ambulance, his arm came up with a thumb's-up. (Yes, he was lying on his back, so his thumb was actually parallel to the ground... but we knew what he meant.)
When he talked about it later, he said (something to the effect) at that time he thought he was in Kansas City -- and standing on his feet.
- August 4, 2008 at 4:55 PM
- mugro said...
I know that I am going to express a minority opinion here, but when I read your headline "Stupid, Petty, Ungrateful, Ignorant" I thought of Manny Ramirez.
I know that I will be accused of "drinking the koolaid" of the Sox front office, but I was really offended at the nature of Manny's comments about how he was being treated.
There are a lot of people in this world who don't know how they will put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads. Manny's attitude struck me as being completely ungrateful for all the money that he is being paid to play this game.
I know that some might call me "weak" for "being swayed by the radio/newspapers" and OF COURSE a "racist," but I am damned grateful for the money that I make and the things that I have in my life. I was not "swayed" by anything more than listening to Manny express his spoiled attitude in his own words with his own voice in the radio interviews that he gave in the final days of his tenure here.
Do I appreciate all that Manny has done for the Red Sox? Absolutely. Without Manny, the Red Sox would not have won two World Series and they would have been a lot less interesting to watch. Manny is absolutely a Hall of Famer in my view, and I will not forget the contribution that he made to my life as a result of what he did for the Red Sox.
I will always praise his ability on the field, but I will think less of him as a man. My father told me freqently that after everything is said and done, your character, integrity and reputation are all you really have in this world. Manny might be a great ball player, but his character is suspect in my view.
- August 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM
- SoSock said...
A lot going on here, eh?
I wrote a Manny post on my blog. It turned out a lot longer than I had thought it would.
I won't repeat it here, but I thought it turned out well.
I will miss Manny, and as I said there, I will miss the man more than the numbers.
I think I like characters who are clearly enjoying themselves rather than players that look overly serious.
That's wild that you wrote that because that's exactly the word I used repeatedly in my post - a character.
I write about my love for the Characters in the game, and I believe Manny IS the greatest character in the game today. If you can have the greatest character be the greatest hitter at the same time, well that's just as good as it gets.
And, further parenthetically, I've always liked Joe Torre and I'm glad to see him looking so relaxed in LA.
ALNM - I agree 100%. I was always a little shy about saying it here, which I know is rediculous. But I always said to my wife - "Damn, why does he have to coach the YANKEES!?" I was thrilled to see him go elsewhere, although I hated he had to get such a big shaft for it to happen. I also mention in my post my soft spot the Dodgers. It will probably be even a litle bigger now.
I'm not delusional enough to think he was blameless, but damn, I miss him already.
BTW - Jere has a great photo gallery of MBM on his site, check it out.
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Aguas Calientes (now officially Machu Picchu Pueblo) is a small town at the bottom of the valley next to Machu Picchu, and the principal access point to the site. Despite its magnificent setting, it's not the most scenic town, owing to fast and ruthless development to support the huge influx of tourists. Unless you're on a daytrip from Cusco or plan to spend a fortune and stay at the sole lodge in Macchu Picchu itself, you will need to spend at least one night here.
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The only ways to get to Aguas Calientes are by train or by foot.
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Peru Rail[4]. Trains depart from Ollantaytambo, 1hr 45min from Cuzco, several departures daily, varying greatly in price. To get to Ollantaytambo, take a collectivo from Calle Pavitos in Cuzco, 15 soles per person. They start early, around 3am, and run every half hour. Look for a newish van with seatbelts. Ollantaytambo is a lovely town with some ruins of its own, so it is a good idea to take the bus, spend a night in Ollantaytambo, then take the train to Aguas Calientes the next morning. The scenic train journey through the Sacred Valley takes about 1 hour 45 as well. Tickets should be bought in advance either online or at the Peru Rail office on the Plaze de Armas in Cuzco. Try to book several days in advance if possible, especially in the high season. It´s not possible to select your own seats online, so if you have a preference, buy them at the station. The fares start at US$35 one way in the 'Backpackers' cars, with decently comfortable seats and small snacks provided. The 'Vistadome' cars are the mid-range cars, with more comfy chairs and meals served. If you prefer to ride in style, opt for the 'Hiram Bingham', complete with gourmet meals and an observation carriage. Some people consider this service to be obnoxious, given the poverty of the people it rolls past.
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If you're on a budget, or just adventurous, it's possible to hike downstream along the railway tracks from Ollantaytambo or from the town at km 82, where the Inca trail starts, this is about a seven hour hike (Note - hiking on the train tracks is prohibited).
It's also possible to hike upstream along the train tracks from Santa Teresa (4 hours) or Hydroelectrica (2 hours). You can take a minibus directly to Hydroelectrica from Cusco for S/50 or make the journey by public transport: To reach Santa Teresa, take a bus towards Quillabamba from Cusco and get off at Santa Maria. The bus leaves Cusco at 8am (from the Santiago bus depot - S/20) and passes through Ollantaytambo, Urubumba and Santa Maria. It´s an 7 hour journey from Cusco to Santa Maria. You can also take a Minivan (Colectivo) which leaves next to the buses (S/25-30 - 4 hours). At Santa Maria, take a connecting bus to Santa Teresa (S/6, 1.5 hours) or a taxi (S/10, 1 hour). Walk 2 hours or catch a bus (S/5) to the hydro electric plant (planta hidroeléctrica). From there it's two hours of walking to Aguas Calientes from here, but it's also possible to catch a train for $18.00 US to Machu Picchu Pueblo, possibly much cheaper if you are Peruvian (leaves hidroeléctrica at 4 PM). As the tracks are still in use, be careful, especially when crossing bridges and in the tunnels.
There are also hiking paths coming from Mollepata, Cachora and Huanicapa for the extremely adventurous. You will want to get your hands on some topographical maps beforehand, Hiking and Treking around Cusco is available for around S/.25.00 to S/.30.00 and has details on the routes you can take.
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The town is compact and walkable, and there are no vehicles apart from the buses to Machu Picchu and a few work vehicles.
Hiking on the train tracks is prohibited, although it seems to be the only way to reach certain destinations.
In town;
Going downstream towards Santa Teresa;
Going up stream towards Ollantaytambo;
Following the train tracks upstream from Machu Picchu Pueblo towards Ollantaytambo you will see some other ruins and a waterfall.
Prices on most things are relatively high, if you´re on a very tight budget, bring some snacks and water from Cuzco. If you´re wanting to use a credit card for hotel or purchases, note that most places only accept Visa. However, prices on basics such as snacks and water are not much higher than Cusco and the Sacred Valley.
There is a big market along the road to Machu Picchu, and a big handicraft market in front of the railway station.
Some shops sell hand-painted t-shirts, which are far more expensive than other t-shirts in Peru but are a little more creative.
Warning: Aguas Calientes is in the nastiest tradition of tourist towns. Be prepared for inflated prices, incorrectly calculated bills, and all the rest. A common ploy is to have a 15 sol menu del dia. When your bill is brought, suddenly it is 10-15% more than advertised. The waiter will tell you he earns no wages, and the service charge is his only pay. It is a lie. Only ever pay what is advertised.
The town is full of pizza restaurants, which are a safe option. Menu Hoy or Todays Menu is usually S/.10.00 - S/.15.00 and depending on where you go will be something along the lines of -
Palta Rellena (Stuffed Avocado) Soup Main Course (generally trout, beef or chicken) Tea, Coffee, Fruit Juice, Wine or Pisco Sour
Alpaca is definitely worth trying if you get the chance, in my opinion it tastes better than beef or lamb.
The smaller restaurants up the hill will often offer twice the food at half the price than the larger establishments, and the quality is usually the same.
Indio Feliz (Happy Indian) is a nice French restaurant for those willing to spend a bit more than at the other places. Meals will cost about 30 soles here plus drinks but the food is outstanding. There is a also a 50-soles prix fixe menu that provides three courses is good value. The restaurant is owned by a Frenchman and his Peruvian wife, who are both very friendly.
Every restaurant has an advertising guy whom will give you a business card and their name - it can get quite annoying as there are many restaurants whom will try to lure you into their establishment. The ad man will take you to the bar/restaurant and seat you and for this they'll get a 10% tax added to your final bill and then if the service was good you'll want to tip the normal 10% of the bill. You'll end up tipping 20%. One could see it as creating jobs... yet annoying.
There are Chifas, the Peruvian version of Chinese restaurants, everywhere and make good options after a day of hiking.
Many bars try to lure in customers with 4 for 1 happy hours lasting the whole evening. Beware that the price is fourfold of the normal prices in Cuzco.
Signs warn that it is not allowed to sell and/or consume alcoholic beverages after 11pm. However, it's not too hard to find a place to drink some beers after this time.
There are many sleeping options in Aguas Calientes. There is one very expensive hotel right next to the Machu Picchu entrance.
Internet cafes are spread around the town, and cost around S/3 per hour with slow connections. They offer local and long-distance calls as well.
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Rumors of possible violence at Evergreen Junior High today caused many parents to hold their kids back from school despite assurances from officials that the rumors were false.
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The rumors about a possible threat started Monday on social media sites Facebook and Instagram.
An Evergreen student posted that she had heard rumors of a possible school shooting to occur on Thursday.
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School staff under the direction of retired veteran school administrator William Simmons investigated and found that no serious threat existed, Martin said.
The investigation revealed that the possible violence the post mentioned originated in a dream one of the student's friends had.
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Reduce stress, increase your range of motion, improve your balance and flexibility, and manage pain in your muscles, bones, and joints. Experience these benefits through proper breathing, a complete stretching workout, and relaxation exercise; working from the chair or floor. Class open to students not already registered in a yoga class. Register at www.iel.spokane.edu/ACT2. April 1-June 14: 8-9 a.m., Touchmark on South Hill, 2929 S. Waterford Drive; 9:30-10:15 a.m., Episcopal Church of the Resurrection, 15319 E. Eighth Ave.; 9-10:15 a.m., St. Francis of Assisi Parish, 1104 W. Heroy Ave., $58. April 1-June 21: 9-10 a.m., Sinto Senior Activity Center, 1124 W. Sinto Ave., $61.
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I want to first apologize for last week.
I want to first apologize for last week. It was a busy one for me. When my phone rang at 5:05 p.m. last Thursday and the caller ID showed "Neosho Daily News," I knew I was in trouble. I'd missed the deadline for submitting my article. Whitney – it won't happen again!
This week's council meeting created an unexpected stir when the city's code enforcement department came to council with recommendations on updating our current fee structure for pet licenses. John Harrington, one of many shining stars on our city staff, had taken the time to look at the fee structure, run some calculations, and determine that those fees weren't covering the costs the city incurs for licensing pets. Given the past financial problems we've had as a city, I want to applaud John's proactive approach to looking out for the city's finances and alerting the council to this and making recommendation as to what those fees would need to be to "cover" our costs of handling pet licensing and enforcement in Neosho.
But as with everything that involves fees, the idea of raising them can create controversy. What was an exercise of allowing the council to understand the issue turned into a rather lengthy (and sometimes heated) debate on pet licensing, fines, and the like. Personally, I viewed the debate as healthy. If nothing else, it reaffirms that our city council doesn't just "rubber stamp" things anymore. Elected officials do, in fact, speak up when there is disagreement or concern.
Pet licensing and animal control is a fine balancing act for us. It wasn't too long ago that the council was criticized for not doing enough to rid the city of animals running loose and dealing with the potential safety issues that it can pose. Over the past two years, we've restored our animal control position and issues with roaming animals on the streets are being addressed. In fact, I haven't had a complaint about dogs being on the loose in many months.
But how far is too far? Criticisms are now coming up about being too aggressive on animal control. Should the city fine someone who allows their dog to roam? Should the city "charge" for licenses? Does having an ordinance dealing with pets demonstrate how government overreaches and invades on personal liberties?
But in society today, we all live by basic laws that are designed to protect us. And I agree that too often government goes too far to deal with issues they are better off staying out of. In this case, I'm certainly not on the bandwagon of eliminating the laws we have for animals. Chapter 210 of our city code governs what we do in Neosho regarding pets. Things like animals-at-large, animal abuse and rabies – all legitimate issues – are handled in this section and need to be controlled, at least to some level. But we must be careful.
As to fees, there is a public policy point that can be made for fees being LESS expensive to encourage more public participation. I look forward to seeing what Mr. Harrington comes up with on fees from other cities around us. And regardless of what he does or doesn't find, it's important to remember that it's the council that has the ultimate decision.
If anyone raises or lowers your fees, there are only five people you should hold accountable – your city council. But until those same five change the rules our city employees follow, let's make sure not to blame those who are only doing what the laws and rules of Neosho say must be done. If you as a pet owner want to see something change, we are certainly here to listen. If you support what we are doing, we need to know that too! And as always, if you have an opinion, supportive or not, the more we hear, the more we can work to make Neosho what we ALL want it to be.
For now, nothing has changed. More information is due to come in and decisions will be made only when we have all the information we need to make them.
Just a quick note on city sales tax revenues: February revenues same in strong vs. last year. And while total revenues are currently slightly lower than we saw last year, they are still ahead of where we planned to be in our budget with no unexpected changes on the horizon. That's good news for all of us!
Until next time: keep the faith, stay the course, and may God bless Neosho!
Richard Davidson is mayor of Neosho.


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How many different personal hygiene products do you use each day? For most people, especially women, the list is long. Shampoo, conditioner, toothpaste, lotion, perfume, hair spray, deodorant and hand sanitizer are examples.
Have you ever thought about how these products may affect your health? While we are a nation that puts a high value on looking and smelling good, is it worth it if the products we use to achieve these states have the potential to make us sick?
Chemicals are used in beauty-care products to make them smell good, to make them creamy and foamy and to preserve them so they have a long shelf life. A large portion of the toxic chemicals found in body-care products are preservatives. There are safe alternatives to all of the chemicals that are found in common body-care products you just have identify the bad ones and find healthier options.
But our bodies are designed to eliminate all types of chemicals, right? Yes, your body is very good at getting the bad stuff out. But the problem is that we are bombarded with harmful chemicals from our food, air and water from sources that we cannot control. So doing what you can when you can to avoid putting more toxins into your body is very important.
One crucial fact to understand is that your skin acts like a big sponge. The things that we put on our skin get absorbed into our blood. The liver and kidneys play a big role in taking toxic stuff out of the blood, but they are already working very hard and it is important to protect them by decreasing their workload however you can.
Here are just a few examples of common toxic ingredients that are used in personal-care products that you want to avoid:
Phthalates a toxic chemical group used in body-care products to moisturize skin and to keep ingredients mixed together. Phthalates are found in after-shave, cologne, soap, shampoo, skin moisturizers, hair spray and nail polish. Phthalates have been found to be reproductive and developmental toxins, particularly in men.
Paraben used as a preservative in many cosmetics, shaving gel, lotions and creams. This chemical has been linked in research to cancer, endocrine disruption, reproductive toxicity, immunotoxicity, neurotoxicity and skin irritation.
Coal tar used in shampoos and soaps to treat dandruff and itchy skin. Contains polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, which have been proved to increase cancer risk.
So what to do? A great start is to get a rating on the products that you are currently using. The Environmental Working Group has a site called Skin Deep that does just that for more than 79,000 products (www.ewg.org/skindeep).
There is a better way to be beautiful. It is not necessary to use toxic beauty- and body-care products, because there are plenty of good alternatives available these days. Choosing safe health and beauty products will support your health instead of degrade it.
firstname.lastname@example.com. Nancy Utter is a naturopathic doctor who works in Durango with people of all ages and varying illnesses.


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It did not sound good for Sen. Pat Toomey.
�I�m a two-time breast cancer survivor and I�m facing the loss of insurance,� the Pennsylvania Republican declared Wednesday at a Senate Finance Committee hearing on the health care law. �Three years ago, I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis,� he added. �If my coverage is not in place before January 1, I will have to go without my medications. This may cause permanent disability, blindness, inability to walk, speech problems.�
Happily for Toomey, he was not describing his own maladies. He was reading emails sent by his constituents. But the senator has contracted a dangerous condition that can cause people to have impaired judgment. It�s called governing by anecdote -- and it�s spreading.
Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., spoke about �Margaret from Manhattan, Kansas,� who had trouble getting through to a toll-free number for the health care exchange. Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., relayed the situation of 39-year-old Emily, who has lupus. Sen. Tim Scott, R-S.C., was greatly agitated about one �Mr. Dougall� not getting a return call from the HealthCare.gov website.
�Let me talk about Mr. Hood, who lives close to me,� proposed Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C.
Confronted with this anecdotal assault, Democrats defended Obamacare in kind, with Richard from Oregon, Karl and Bonnie from Wisconsin, Kathleen from Iowa, Gary from Montana and far too many more.
�While it�s always risky to legislate by anecdote, we�re telling stories here today,� Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., had said Tuesday at the first of two Senate hearings on Obamacare. �And so, let me just add one to the mix, and that�s Betty Berger from Meriden, Connecticut. ... Betty�s story became one that can be repeated 2 million times every single year across this country.�
Republicans are right to hammer President Obama for his dishonest -- and now debunked -- claim that those who like their insurance plans can keep their coverage. Millions who buy their own health insurance will not have that option. The White House knew this during the health care debate and didn�t tell the truth.
But what Republicans are doing now is dishonest, too, because their constituents� tales of woe, even if true, aren�t representative. Suppose the worst forecast proves to be true, and 12 million people cannot renew their coverage and must find new policies on the exchanges. In a country of 317 million people, that group would still be dwarfed by the number of people now able to get health insurance for the first time -- and by the overwhelming majority of Americans who are largely unaffected by Obamacare.
Using props to make policy may be unreliable, but it�s apparently irresistible.
At a hearing of the Senate�s Health Committee on Tuesday, Scott devoted almost all of his questioning of Marilyn Tavenner, the Medicare chief, to one constituent, the aforementioned �Mr. Dougall,� who allegedly had personal information disclosed to others on HealthCare.gov.
�Mr. Dougall is now requesting that the personal information for all of his family be removed from HealthCare.gov, because he could not remove it himself,� Scott informed Tavenner. �Mr. Dougall has called on several occasions, but no one will call him back.�
�We have reached out to Mr. Dougall several times, and we will find him,� Tavenner offered.
�I�m happy to give you his phone numbers,� Scott proposed.
�I think we have them,� Tavenner told him.
�He doesn�t think so, actually,� the senator maintained, �because no one�s called him.�
�Well,� Tavenner said, �we have a disagreement there.�
Whatever horrible thing happened to poor Mr. Dougall, it�s hard to imagine it should be the top priority of the person struggling to salvage the Obamacare launch. Or perhaps distracting Tavenner from that work was Scott�s purpose.
After she takes care of Mr. Dougall, Tavenner can work on Mr. Hood�s rising premiums in North Carolina (mentioned by Burr) and Emily�s rising out-of-pocket costs in Tennessee (mentioned by Alexander).
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, at Wednesday�s Finance Committee hearing, was charged with addressing Steven from Topeka�s difficulty with the website (by Roberts).
Democrats felt compelled to defend Obamacare with happy anecdotes. Mary Lapis� brother saved $700! Steven, from the Akron, Ohio, suburbs, can now buy insurance! Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) told of the favorable website experiences of Greg in Bloomfield Hills and Crystal in Pontiac. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the chairman of the finance panel, offered Gary from Billings, Allison from Wolf Point and Tony from Bozeman, all satisfied Obamacare customers. �I have no doubt,� he said, �that stories like these will keep coming in.�
Follow Dana Milbank on Twitter, @Milbank.
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Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood "A Trip To The Enchanted Garden/A Trip To The Crayon Factory" A Trip to the Enchanted Garden - The Tiger family is making strawberry pancakes for breakfast this morning, but when Mom looks more closely in the kitchen, she realizes there are no more strawberries left. They all head to the Enchanted Garden, where Mom Tiger shows Daniel the strawberry patch. Daniel is very curious, and learns that if he looks closely, he may be able to answer his own questions about how strawberries grow and learn something new. D
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Sid The Science Kid "Sid Wings It!" In his backyard, Sid shows off his homemade cardboard wings. He's wearing them because he wants to fly, just like the bird he has been watching all morning. When his flight plans don't work out, he heads to school to investigate. D
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WordWorld "Pies, Pies, Pies!/Waterlogged" Pies, Pies, Pies!: When Pig promises to make a pie for everyone in Word World, he learns a hard lesson about keeping promises. Fortunately, he also learns about the letter S and how it can make words plural. Waterlogged: Frog must stay with Pig when his Log sinks, but Frog soon wears out his welcome by being a bad houseguest. D
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Caillou "Animals and Me!" Grandma takes Caillou on a special visit to a sheep farm. There, Mary, a 10-year-old girl, takes Caillou on a tour, teaching him about sheep, sheering, and the spinning of wool. When Mom, Rosie and Caillou go to the zoo, Caillou can't wait to see the elephants. D
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Barney & Friends "Winter and Summer" Winter: When Baby Bop is surprised by the first day of cold weather, it's Barney that helps her see winter can be a wonderful time for fun. Baby Bop is getting discouraged, wondering if it will ever snow! Then, when she least expects it.the snow begins to fall! Summer: On a hot summer day, Barney teaches BJ about all the fun activities you can do during the summer. D
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Thomas & Friends "Clever Ideas" Thomas' Tall Friend - Thomas is given the special job of delivering a giraffe to the Sodor Wildlife Centre. He is so excited about making friends with the giraffe that he doesn't go straight to the Wildlife Centre as instructed. Instead, Thomas collects leaves and fresh fruit from the other engines to give to the giraffe. D
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Curious George "Hundley Jr./Curious George Gets Winded" Hundley Jr. - What's long, low to the ground, and loves to clean milkweed off the lobby floor? Hundley's newest friend and caterpillar, Hundley Jr! But when Hundley is torn between looking after the lobby and caring for his new friend, he turns his lobby duties over - to a monkey! Curious George Gets Winded - Bill needs one more newspaper delivery to win the coveted Golden Pouch, but a big snowfall ruins his chances. Even with George's help, there's no way he can deliver all those papers in time. D
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Martha Speaks "Billy Collins Speaks/Milo's Reading Buddy" Billy Collins Speaks - Billy Collins writes great poems about dogs, and Martha thinks she knows why. Obviously, the former poet laureate must be a canine himself! When Martha meets Billy Collins she's in for a few surprises.as is he. D
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The Electric Company "Pies for Puppies" It's the Pies for Puppies charity bake sale, and Jessica, Danny Rebus and others are competing to sell the most pies and become the "puppy hero." But someone has taken all of Jessica's pies! The Electric Company discovers that Danny Rebus is trying to cheat his way to victory, and it is up to them to put a stop to it. D
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WordGirl "Mr. Big's Big Plan/Vocab Bee" MR. BIG's BIG PLAN: WordGirl must get to the bottom of Mr. Big's plan to steal the local election when he claims he's reformed and runs for Mayor. VOCAB BEE: Becky enters a vocabulary bee, but the Butcher's latest crime spree proves to be a major distraction for WordGirl. D
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Wild Kratts "Bad Hair Day" Chris and Martin try to help a lion named "He who breathes fire" get past obstacles and back to his pride, who are under siege from two intruder lions. D
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The information below is intended to address some frequently asked questions about the LCSNA and about Lewis Carroll, but is by no means intended to answer all questions. For more about Lewis Carroll and his works, please visit our Lewis Carroll page. Questions can be addressed to our web master. Please note that as a non-profit organization, we do not post advertising. You are welcome to submit news of a Carrollian nature to our Blog.
About Lewis Carroll
Who exactly was Lewis Carroll?
Charles Lutwidge Dodgson, known by his pen name, Lewis Carroll, was a man of diverse interests — in mathematics, logic, photography, art, theater, religion, science, and of course literature. He was happiest in the company of children for whom he created puzzles, clever games, and charming letters. And of course, he also told them stories.
As all Carroll admirers know, his book Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (1865), became an immediate success and has since been translated into more than eighty languages. The equally popular sequel Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There, was published in 1872.
The "Alice" books are but two examples of his wide ranging authorship. The Hunting of the Snark (1876), a classic nonsense epic, and Euclid and His Modern Rivals (1879), a rare example of humorous work concerning mathematics, still entice and intrigue today's students. Sylvie and Bruno (1889), published toward the end of his life, contains startling ideas including a description of weightlessness.
The humor, sparkling wit and genius of this Victorian Englishman have lasted for more than a century. His books are among the most quoted works in the English language, and his influence (as well as that of his illustrator, Sir John Tenniel) can be seen everywhere, from the world of advertising to that of atomic physics.
Why did Mr. Dodgson write under the pen name of Lewis Carroll?
As a modest gentleman and a scholar/instructor at Oxford, he valued his privacy very highly. He would refuse letters sent to "Lewis Carroll, Christ Church, Oxford", claiming no such person lived there! But he did occasionally use his pen name to smooth an introduction to a well-known member of society or new child friend.
How did he come up with the name Lewis Carroll?
He took the first two parts of his name, Charles Lutwidge, and translated them into Latin: Carolus Ludovicus. He then reversed their order: Ludovicus Carolus, and then loosely translated them back into English: Lewis Carroll. He actually supplied his first publisher with a short list of possible pen names, and it was the publisher who selected "Lewis Carroll" from the list. Share that bit of trivia at your next mad tea party!
Was there a real Alice?
Indeed there was. Alice Pleasance Liddell was arguably Charles Dodgson's greatest child friend. She was one of the daughters of Henry George Liddell, Dean of Christ Church, Oxford, where Mr. Dodgson lived, taught and wrote.
Was Lewis Carroll in love with Alice?
To say that much has been written on this question would be a monumental understatement. For the purposes of this site, suffice it to say that in addition to being a friend during her childhood years, she was his first true creative muse. Interestingly, Alice Liddell also inspired a number of other well known artists of the time, including John Ruskin, William Richmond and Julia Margaret Cameron. The fact that the two "Alice" books are still so beloved today stands as a testament to the lasting power of that original inspiration, and to Mr. Dodgson's timeless genius.
What was the origin of the Alice books?
Mr. Dodgson would often take young Alice and her sisters Lorina (older) and Edith (younger) on leisurely rowing expeditions in the company of a fellow Oxford scholar. During these boat rides and subsequent picnics, he would make up fantastical tales to entertain the girls. What we now know as Alice's Adventures in Wonderland began as one of these stories, and was only written down because Alice begged Mr. Dodgson to do it. The first version, which he wrote and illustrated by hand for her, was entitled Alice's Adventures under Ground. Some of the most famous chapters of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland were actually written only after his friend (and noted children's author) George MacDonald and his family encouraged Mr. Dodgson to explore the idea of expanding and publishing the story so that more children could enjoy it. Alice's Adventures in Wonderland met with instant success, as did its sequel, Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There.
Can Lewis Carroll's creativity and writings be explained by any possible drug use, epilepsy, migraines, or other mind-altering circumstance?
In brief: no, no, no, and no. Based on all evidence unearthed to date, unless you count the occasional use of an over-the counter homeopathic remedy, Lewis Carroll was not a drug user. This may disappoint lazy media hounds and Miley Cyrus, but that's the truth as we currently know it, and given Carroll's abstemious personality and conduct, that particular finding is unlikely to change. Similarly, while he had a couple of seizures of one kind or another in later years, and wondered if one of them might be "epileptiform" in his diary, he also recorded afterward that his own doctor told him that it was not, and there was no history of it in his immediate family line. And while he records that he occasionally had a very bad headache, including some descriptions that sound like migraine symptoms, we have no hard facts that could lead one to say uncontestably that he suffered from migraines. Seizures and severe headaches can be caused by any number of things, and providing a medical diagnosis more than 100 years after the fact is not advisable. It's fascinating what people since Carroll's time have tried to read into his life after reading his remarkably inventive works. Our explanation for how the Alice books, the Snark, and all Carroll's other writings came to be is simple: the man was extremely talented.
Where can I find out more about Lewis Carroll?
You can find extensive information about Lewis Carroll on our Lewis Carroll page.
About the Lewis Carroll Society of North America
How do I join?
Come to one of our meetings, or even better, join on this site right now!
What does the LCSNA do?
We promote the study and appreciation of the works and life of Lewis Carroll. For more information, please see our About Us page.
What are your members like?
We're a remarkable mix of scholars, enthusiasts and collectors. While we are based in the U.S., we have members of all ages and backgrounds from all over the world. Come to a meeting and see for yourself! We're as diverse as the residents of Wonderland and Looking-Glass World — but generally far more agreeable. Shown here are the Bursteins, spanning three generations of members.
What does my membership include?
You receive all new issues of our entertaining and enlightening Knight Letter magazine, discounts on books, and advance notice of all upcoming meetings. On occasion, we create some wonderful free members-only publications and memorabilia. And every member receives an exclusive membership pin. We have also been known to have an auction now and again, which always contains items of interest for collectors at every level. For more information, please see our Membership page.
I've produced a paper, book, artwork or composition inspired by Lewis Carroll and/or his works. Would the LCSNA be interested in knowing more about it, or having me speak at an upcoming meeting?
We are always eager to learn of new scholarship and arts projects and performances relating to Lewis Carroll. You are welcome to submit a proposal to us at any time. As a volunteer organization, it may take some time for us to reply, but all serious inquiries will receive a response.
I have an old copy of a Lewis Carroll book and I'm trying to figure out what it's worth–can you help?
While many of us are book collectors, and some of us are book experts, the LCSNA is not in the business of selling antique books, and regretfully does not have the resources to evaluate and appraise the many, many editions of Carroll's works out there. We recommend that you try a few internet searches with specific words from the publishing information or particular details of your book (cover art, illustrator, etc.), or try contacting one of the many rare book dealers who specialize in Carroll and/or Victorian literature. Again, online searching is helpful for identifying likely resources. You can also consult web sites like BookFinder.com to see if you can find dealers already selling copies of editions that have the same description as yours. Be aware that vintage book prices vary greatly depending on title, rarity, condition, and other factors–including the price a given dealer chooses to put on a particular book! Always consult more than one source when attempting to evaluate relative market worth. Most Alice editions out there were mass produced and do not have great worth on today's market. But of course, you never know until you do some homework. And remember: the hunt is part of the fun (as long as you don't run into any Boojums)!
I'd love to get involved — how can I help?
Join on this site, come to a meeting, or send us an e-mail or letter. Let us know your particular interests and talents. We look forward to welcoming you into the Society!


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In his fourth State of the Union Address on Tuesday night, President Barack Obama laid out a vision for how the United States fully emerges from its economic struggles as a stronger, better-equipped nation that invests in growing its middle class through education, innovation and a robust job market. In doing so, Obama attempted to eclipse the gridlocked partisan debate over debt and deficit with loftier ideals about investing in America's - and Americans' - future. He did so with a palpable sense of urgency. Missing, though, were the specifics of just how this vision will be actualized.
The speech was dominated by proposals for how to strengthen the U.S. economy: through creating new jobs and reinvigorating the country's manufacturing output; through investing in infrastructure such as roads, bridges, schools and pipelines, and through tax reform that benefits small businesses and middle-income taxpayers' through domestic energy production in the form of renewable or alternative sources such as natural gas; through education - technical training in high schools, affordable and, more importantly, valuable college education, and high-quality preschool for all American children.
With all the proposals he laid out on Tuesday, Obama makes a case for fairness as the ideal:
He is right on principal, but the details - which will make or break these proposals both politically and pragmatically - remain to be seen. Each of the priorities Obama articulated on Tuesday was as short on specifics as it was long on its benefit to the economy and American society in general.
It is indeed of great value and importance to create good paying jobs and an educated workforce to perform them. Obama's plan to create 15 manufacturing hubs, partnering with the departments of defense and energy, is representative of the essential investment in innovation the country must make in order to stay economically strong. That is underscored by his emphasis on technical training and education in general as paramount to building a strong middle class populated by individuals with many options for success. In such an environment, Obama rightly claims, the entire economy and all who comprise it will reap the rewards.
The trouble is that Obama is the head of a divided government, where his opposition's worldview runs head-on into that of his own party. Obama addressed that tension explicitly throughout his speech by challenging Republicans to action on spending issues, tax reform, mortgage refinance legislation, gun control legislation, immigration, and paycheck fairness - among many others. But he also departed from his first-term commitment to bipartisan solutions with a none-too-implicit threat of executive action, should Congress fail to heed his call.
Indeed, Obama's speech set a course for accomplishment - both for him as president, but more importantly, for the nation as a whole. It was bold and wide-ranging, as is appropriate for a nation as multi-faceted, broadly talented and deeply challenged as ours. How he translates that vision into the accomplishments it demands will be the challenge of his second term, and it will not come easily. Details are required for that translation.


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The Homestead concept was created in 1978 by William and Carolyn McDonough when they transformed a 1788 farm house in Bristol, New Hampshire into the Homestead Restaurant and Lounge. The original restaurant had three dining rooms which made up the ground level rooms of the old colonial each with its own fireplace. The kitchen and lounge where additions to the building and serve the same purpose today. Over the first decade, two additional dining rooms were added to accommodate the high demand in the summer tourist season.
In 1988, William and Carolyn withdrew from the family business leaving it in the hands of their four sons. The McDonough brothers, in 1990 acquired a similar 1810 colonial in the town of Londonderry, New Hampshire. The Homestead concept was a perfect fit. After exhaustive renovations, the Homestead Restaurant of Londonderry was opened with its seven dining rooms and a cocktail lounge. It quickly became a local favorite and continues to service the southern New Hampshire region today.