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North Carolina Probate Records
United States North Carolina Probate Records
Record Synopsis
Probate is the "court procedure by which a will is proved to be valid or invalid" and encompasses "all matters and proceedings pertaining to the administration of estates, guardianships, etc."[1] Various types of records are created throughout the probate process. These may include, wills, bonds, petitions, accounts, inventories, administrations, orders, decrees, and distributions. These documents are extremely valuable to genealogists and should not be neglected. In many instances, they are the only known source of relevant information such as the decedent's date of death, names of his or her spouse, children, parents, siblings, in-laws, neighbors, associates, relatives, and their places of residence. They may also include information about adoption or guardianship of minor children and dependents. For further information about the probate process, types of probate records, analyzing probate records, and to access a glossary of probate terms, see United States Probate Records.
Most probate records in North Carolina were created on a county level though many were later sent to the North Carolina State Archives. For the colonial period, dozens of North Carolina wills were proved in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury in London, England. The contents of probate records vary greatly depending on the prevailing law and the personality of the record keeper.
Probate records in the state fall into two general categories: wills and estate papers. Most records mention the names of heirs and frequently specify how those heirs are related. Names of children may be given, as well as married names of daughters. Probate records may not give an exact death date, but a death most often occurred within a few months of the date of probate.
A brief history of the settlement and boundary changes of Kentucky and the resultant effects on record keeping can be found on Ancestry.
State Statutes
The clerk of the superior court in each county has early probate records.
North Carolina State Archives has both originals and copies of probate records.
The Family History Library has a good collection of North Carolina probate records on both the state and county level.
Statewide Record Collections
The first source you should check to determine if your ancestor left a will in North Carolina between the years 1665 and 1900 is:
- Mitchell, Thornton W. North Carolina Wills: A Testator Index, 1665–1900. Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing, 1992. FHL 975.6 P22t 1992 This book lists the name of the testator (the person who had the will prepared), the county where the will was probated, the year it was probated, the volume and page number of the recorded will, and the location of the original will. Wills that were not recorded in the county records are also listed. The book has a county-by-county summary of available wills.
- The Family History Library has a collection of North Carolina Probate Records from 1663 - 1923. Some are films of the originals, but many are abstracts.
Proved in North Carolina
Prior to 1760 most wills were probated by the County Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions in the county. The original wills and accompanying estate papers were supposed to be sent to the secretary of state for filing, regardless of where the will was probated. Some counties did not send their records in.
Most of the original wills and papers for the period 1663 to 1790; however, are at the North Carolina State Archives. Digital images of the original wills, arranged alphabetically by name of testator, are available on their website. Some users may find it difficult to find these records on their website. The following instructions should help:
- Visit Manuscript and Archives Reference System (Mars) (North Carolina State Archives catalog)
- Search, with the setting as "A Mars Id matching," for the series 12.96
- Click Records of Probate: Wills
- In the pop-up window, follow the link Show List of Child Records
- This will bring up links to 28 boxes of the original wills. Box 1 begins with "A" surnames. Box 28 concludes with "Z" surnames.
- To view online images of the original wills, click on a box, for example Box 1, in the resulting pop-up window, click Show List of Child Records
- Browse the list of wills. When you find a will of interest, click on the person's name and a pop-up window will allow you to View Document (it may be necessary to install free software to view the images)
Alternatively, it is possible to conduct a Basic Search for a name on the Mars system; however, users should be warned that the search lacks soundex capabilities and is not restricted to probate records.
Breakdown of 28 Will Boxes at North Carolina State Archives Website
|Rucker-Simmons (Henry)
|Simmons (James)-Speight
|Jackson-Jones (Sarah)
|Weston-Williams (Stephen)
|Jones (Thomas)-Leaton
|Williams (Thomas)-Zimmerman
These records are alternatively available on microfilm through FamilySearch:
- North Carolina. Division of Archives and History (Raleigh, North Carolina). Wills and Estate Papers (North Carolina), 1663–1789. Salt Lake City, Utah: Genealogical Society of Utah, 1988–1989. (On 7 Family History Library films beginning FHL Collection, film 1605076 item 22.)
Published abstracts and transcripts of some of these early wills can be found in the following two books:
- Grimes, John Bryan. Abstract of North Carolina Wills [1690–1760] Compiled from Original and Recorded Wills in the Office of the Secretary of State. Raleigh, N.C.: E.M. Uzzell & Co., State Printers and Binders, 1910. 1967 reprint: FHL 975.6 P2gr 1967; FHL 6046876; also FHL 975.6 P2gr 2000; digital versions at Ancestry ($); Eastern North Carolina Digital Library, Google Books and Internet Archive. This book contains approximately 2,600 wills taken from both original and recorded wills. The index includes all the names that appear in the wills. There are some abstracting errors, so you should examine the original will. The index also lists names of plantations.
- Grimes, John Bryan. North Carolina Wills and Inventories Copied from the Original Recorded Wills and Inventories in the Office of the Secretary of State. Raleigh, N.C.: Edwards & Broughton Printing Company, Printers and Binders, 1912. 1967 reprint: FHL 975.6 P2g 1967; FHL 459632 item 1; FHL 6051125; digital versions at Ancestry ($); Eastern North Carolina Digital Library; and Internet Archive. This book is an incomplete listing of wills. It contains transcripts of 203 wills and 47 inventories recorded from 1665 through 1790. The purpose of this publication was to show examples of what personal items were in possession of early North Carolina families. There is an index to testators, inventories, plantations, slaves' names, land, and other subjects. The index lists those who made the wills but does not list those persons mentioned in the wills.
For the years 1760–1868, most wills are in the offices of the clerk of the superior court in the county where the testator legally resided. Abstracts of more than 8,000 original wills covering 1760 to 1800 can be found in:
- Olds, Fred A. An Abstract of North Carolina Wills from about 1760 to about 1800: Supplementing Grimes' Abstract of North Carolina Wills, 1663 to 1760. Oxford, N.C.: The Orphan's Friend, 1925. 1983 reprint: FHL 975.6 P28o; digital version at World Vital Records ($). The wills are listed by county, and there is no index in the printed version. They are indexed on World Vital Records and an index is also available through FamilySearch on microfilm:
- Index to Abstract of North Carolina Wills from about 1760 to About 1800 prepared by Fred A. Olds. Salt Lake City, Utah: Genealogical Society of Utah, 1981. FHL 1033627 items 1-2.
Between 1868 and 1966 wills were proved in the superior court of the county. The original will was sent to the clerk in each county court house and a copy may have been sent to the state archives.
Since 1966 all documents relating to probate cases are kept in case files. After the estate is settled, the files are microfilmed and indexed by the name of the deceased and the names of the heirs.
Proved in London
North Carolina wills and administrations proved in London have been abstracted and published multiple times. Each edition is listed here, as some are available online, while others are not. In addition, publishers included more detailed abstracts in some editions than others. The 2007 edition includes a place-name index that enables users to pluck out North Carolina references:
- Coldham, Peter Wilson. English Estates of American Colonists: American Wills and Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1610-1699. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1980. Digital version at Ancestry ($).
- Coldham, Peter Wilson. English Estates of American Colonists: American Wills and Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1700-1799. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1980. Digital version of 1991 reprint available at Ancestry ($).
- Coldham, Peter Wilson. English Estates of American Colonists: American Wills and Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1800-1858. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1981. Digital version at Ancestry ($).
- Coldham, Peter Wilson. American Wills & Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1610-1857. Baltimore, Md.: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1989. FHL 942 P27c; digital version at Ancestry ($).
- Coldham, Peter Wilson. American Wills Proved in London, 1611-1775. Baltimore, Md.: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1992. FHL 973 P27ca; digital version at Ancestry ($).
- Coldham, Peter Wilson. North American Wills Registered in London, 1611-1857. Baltimore, Md.: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2007. FHL 942 P27c 2007
If you find a will abstact that interests you in Coldham's books, it is now possible to view digital images of the original Prerogative Court of Canterbury wills online at two pay-per-view United Kingdom websites:
- Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills (1384-1858), courtesy: The National Archives, UK.
- PCC Wills Index and Images (1384-1858), courtesy: The Genealogist. (in progress)
Estate Papers
When an individual died leaving a will, the legal process carrying out the provisions of the will created many loose estate papers. Most early residents of North Carolina who possessed real property did not leave a will and died intestate. The process of settling a person's intestate estate also created loose papers. These loose papers have a variety of titles and were generally created in the following sequence:
- Petition to Probate the Estate
- Administrator's Bond
- Petition for a Year's Allotment for the Widow
- Petition for Widow's Dower
- Inventory
- Petition of Division of Lands and Slaves
- Account of Sale
- Guardian's Bond and Accounts
- Yearly Accounts
- Final Settlement or Final Distribution
Copies of most early estate papers are in the state archives and on microfilm. See:
- North Carolina. Division of Archives and History (Raleigh, North Carolina). Colonial Estate Papers, 1669–1759. Salt Lake City, Utah: Genealogical Society of Utah, 1996. (On 4 Family History Library films beginning with FHL 2047891.) The records are alphabetical.
Many later loose estate papers or copies of them have been sent to the North Carolina State Archives. Counties often send their papers to the archives after 60 years. Estate papers in the state archives are presently being microfilmed in alphabetical order, county by county.
Probate records can be found in the Family History Library Catalog by using a Place Search under:
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North Carolina State Archives
109 East Jones Street
Raleigh, NC 27601-2807
Tel: 919-733-7305
North Carolina State Archives
A discussion of North Carolina Probate Records written by Johni Cerny and Gareth L. Mark for Red Book: American State, County, and Town Sources can be found at Ancestry.
- ↑ Henry Campbell Black, Black's Law Dictionary, 5th ed. (St. Paul, Minnesota: West Publishing Co., 1979), 1081, "probate."


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DELAND — Whether a DeLand police officer violated policy when he ran over and killed a man fleeing a traffic stop may depend on whether the incident is classified as a "pursuit."
A DeLand Police Department spokesman on Friday confirmed that police officer James Harris, who struck Marlon Brown while he was fleeing on foot, was not the "primary" officer in the incident.
That could be a key point in the investigation because Harris drove his patrol car around his partner's — which would be the primary pursuit vehicle — and continued to follow Brown, according to a Florida Highway Patrol preliminary report.
The DeLand Police Department's pursuit policy states that a secondary unit is not allowed to overtake the primary vehicle pursuing unless the primary vehicle breaks down.
In Wednesday's incident, a Volusia County sheriff's deputy first tried to stop Brown for a seat belt violation. Brown, 38, did not stop and about a minute later two DeLand police cars followed him into a field where he bailed out and ran. The patrol vehicle driven by Harris then ran him over.
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Estes declined to discuss the incident that is under investigation or if there were policy violations. He confirmed Friday that Ferrari and Harris started following Brown when he was within DeLand's city limits, traveling west on Beresford Avenue.
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Although no date or final arrangements had been made for a funeral on Friday, Brown will be buried in DeLand, said his ex-wife Krystal Brown.
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Troopers did not work on Brown's case Friday because the crash investigator was off and the lead investigator worked on another case, said Sgt. Kim Montes, a FHP spokeswoman.
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"It is yet to be determined by an investigation if there was a pursuit (in Brown's case), but based on fresh pursuit we can follow outside city limits," Estes said.
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Fleeing is a third-degree felony, but the pursuit policies of the Sheriff's Office and DeLand Police Department — which updated its policy last month — have more strict standards. Both agencies' policies state that pursuit is justified if the officer reasonably believes that the suspect, having committed a forcible or violent felony, would present a danger to human life or cause serious injury if allowed to flee.
A seat belt violation is not a crime, but a civil infraction that carries a traffic ticket and a fine, Montes said.
A DeLand officer was reprimanded after the death of a teenager during a pursuit over a seat belt violation in DeLand's Spring Hill neighborhood last year.
In September, Officer Matthew McCormick, who is no longer with the department, chased after Trevon Lacy, 17, after seeing him without a seat belt, according to Internal Affairs reports released Friday. Lacy was killed when he crashed the Ford Expedition he was driving into a parked semi on Adelle Avenue near New Hampshire Avenue.
The internal review determined that McCormick failed to adhere to pursuit polices and "became involved in a predictably dangerous pursuit over a traffic violation," DeLand police Chief Bill Ridgway wrote in a memorandum.
McCormick reached speeds of 68 mph in a 30 mph residential zone near a school area, the chief wrote.
McCormick was suspended for 40 hours without pay.
Lacy's case is still an open case expected to be completed in two weeks, Montes said.
Traffic homicide investigations take about 90 days because troopers must be thorough, Montes said.
These types of investigations start with the trooper taking measurements at the scene and collecting evidence to reconstruct the crash. Then, troopers talk to witnesses.
"Unfortunately in (the Marlon Brown) case, the four females in the car are not cooperating with our investigating trooper," Montes said. "And all the other people who have told the media they are witnesses have not made an effort to contact the investigator."
One of the four women in Brown's car when he fled, Laheia Olvera, 23, said in a telephone interview Thursday with The News-Journal that she saw the patrol car go by quickly and hit Brown, leaving his upper body "completely smashed."
After evidence is collected, interviews are completed, toxicology and other reports are gathered, investigators put the facts of the case together and depending on the findings may submit it to the State Attorney's Office, Montes said.
"That's standard with every traffic homicide investigation and we are only at Day 3 on the Brown case," Montes said.
Montes said the Lacy case has taken longer because the Florida Highway Patrol recently had a lot of investigators retire and an increase in such cases in Volusia and Seminole counties.
"More cases, less people, equal a longer time to complete this and other investigations," Montes said.
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Someone thinks too highly of his own artwork.
The problem isn't that your artwork is too poor, Immediacracy. It's that your opinion of your "map" is so high that you think it'll overcome the unsuitability of artwork for this task at all.
A red herring would be if I was using this tangent as a premise to an argument somehow. Know your fallacies.Anyway, my opinion is based on the following reasoning: Your collage has so far failed to express to your audience the meaning you had intended it to express, for whatever reason. That you keep on trying to use it for that task indicates that you think the root problem with this lack of successful communication resides with the audience, rather than with the method you're using. Which implies - in my opinion - an unreasonably high opinion of the work in question. That, or an unreasonably low opinion of the audience.
This would only be true if the audience consisted of just you. I'm not sure if there are other people on that thread who might feel differently, so, seeing as how the 'gradient' being discussed is very similar, I see no reason not to have brought it up.
Even if I was sure that nobody on Earth can get anything out of that collage now, I would still post it in case someone finds themselves more open to a different perspective at a later time. The collage has not failed to express anything to my audience. On the contrary, the collage has expressed some very interesting details to me which I had not anticipated. I am the primary audience. I encourage others to share that, but if they don't, I'm neither surprised nor disappointed.
...but that doesn't mean that another person is being closed-minded if (s)he fails to decypher the same meaning from it.
The bolded text indicates exactly the problem I'd highlighted earlier: You assume that the flaw lies with your audience, rather than with your chosen tool of communication.
If communication fails to occur, then the fault is assumed apriori to lie with the audience
[1], rather than with the artwork's suitability as a tool for that communication. 1. By "the audience", on this forum, I am always referring to individuals other than the author of a post. If the author of the post was the only intended "audience" of a post, then the post doesn't belong on a public forum.
I agree, but you are being closed-minded if you presume that your opinion that nobody else will want to or be able to decipher something meaningful out of it is an objective fact rather than your own bias. That's more or less the definition of closed minded.
You assume that I make that assumption. I don't see a flaw at all, in either audience or communication.
To me, there is no failure, and there is no fault. Trying to communicate the structure of consciousness (through consciousness) has always been a tricky business, which is why hermetic/alchemical explorations have always been notoriously impenetrable.
There is no flaw. If people are ready to get it, then they do. If not, that's ok too. Maybe seeing it will trigger a future memory which will help them put things together. That's how it happened for me...
There is no way to determine whether there is an audience for art unless you communicate it in public. If artists let their idea of their audience determine the content of their art, there would only be commercial design.
I can only go by what I see, and what others have said. I could be wrong, but unless I am given some reason to think that I am, it will be reasonable to operate as if I am not.
If you attempt to communicate something, and that communication fails, then that failure was the result of something.
That is the "flaw" to which I refer. If there was no flaw anywhere in the system of communication - no flaw in the message, in the medium, in the audience's attitude, in the audience's mental capabilities, in the "syntax" used, etc. - then communication would succeed, by definition. If it does not, then there is a flaw.
If your collage is not meant to communicate anything, then there is no flaw, and also no purpose to posting it to an online forum (except perhaps for some non-communication goals, such as ego-stroking).
You contradict yourself. "There is no failure" ... "it's tricky business" ... "notoriously impenetrable". Well, what is it? If it's not failing, then why appeal to the tricky nature of the business, Immediacracy? The second sentence of this quote explains why "communicating the structure of consciousness" fails so often. Very well, but why also state that there's no failure? That's disingenuous.
Again: The message here is that if you don't undertand (or "get it"), then the fault (i.e., the reason why you didn't "get it") is that you "aren't ready" (a personal flaw, in this context, since it leads to failure of communication). The fault couldn't possibly lie with the medium, right? You have concluded apriori that it cannot.
That's an interesting perspective, if you consider your posts to be "art". Should everyone stop operating on the assumption that you are attempting to communicate with anyone? Should they seriously consider - as I do - that you are not genuinely attempting to communicate?
s**t now I have to look up teleonomy and teleology...
Could you explain what the artwork means to you immediacracy?Is it about people seeing the basic elements that make things work, or what they are made from...as opposed to seeing things and interpreting subjectively?
Ever tried to do a circular map? Like the liner mapping of colors misses an important aspect of visual color perception compared to the color circle, i think that your linear acme-omm map also misses something and that would be - as in the color circle - the 'subjectively perceived' relative proximity to the extreme end of the 'objectively perceptible' spectrum.In my imagination what you are trying to say should look more like this to reflect my personal interpretation of the map(please excuse my use and restructuring of your original):
The Stefan-Boltzmann law predicts intensity output across varying wavelengths as a function of temperature. It describes the "ideal" blackbody radiator. Our Sun is an example of a "real" blackbody radiator. It's spectrum isn't as smooth as the "ideal" and is pitted and bumpy due to real-world conditions (including, but not limited to, absorption of the radiation en route to the earth).


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2012 Season (Freshman): Competed in the shot put, discus throw, hammer throw and weight throw...Helped the team win the Northern Athletics Conference Indoor Men's Championship...INDOOR: Finished seventh in the shot put (12.33m) and eighth in the weight throw (12.32m) at the Tadd Metzger Invitational (Jan. 27)...Was seventh in the weight throw (13.81m) at the NAC Indoor Championships...OUTDOOR: Placed eighth in the hammer throw (37.01m) at the Emory Invitational (Mar. 23-24)...Was ninth in the discus throw at the Cougar Invitational (Apr. 19-20)...Finished seventh in the hammer throw (37.77m), eighth in the discus throw (36.91m) and ninth in the shot put (12.00m) at the NAC Outdoor Championships.
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But when the Calgary Flames' rookies roll up their sleeves Thursday evening at the Young Stars Classic in Pencticton, B.C., it does stand as Game 1 . . . of a rebuild.
Which makes it significant. These are the opening steps of the first full winter of the team's teardown.
Meaningful, too, are the matches this week, starting with the Edmonton Oilers' greenhorns.
"Winning matters," Flames general manager Jay Feaster said Tuesday afternoon. "Bottom line is winning. That's the objective, the standard, the criteria, from an organizational standpoint. We will not use youth or inexperience . . . as reasons to say, 'It's OK if you don't win.' It's not OK not to win.
"We believe players develop better and faster in a winning atmosphere. The plan going into Penticton is you better believe we want to win those games. We're not telling these kids, 'Don't worry about the final result.' This isn't youth sports where we say, 'Oh, don't keep score,' or, 'Once you get a four-goal lead, we'll just stop counting.' This isn't my kids playing. This is for real.
"This is auditioning for jobs in the National Hockey League."
And, for the Flames, there will be plenty on display at the South Okanagan Events Centre.
For instance, four first-rounders (Sven Baertschi, Sean Monahan, Emile Poirier, Morgan Klimchuk).
Two legitimate candidates in net (Laurent Brossoit, Joni Ortio), not to mention the upgraded centre-ice position (Markus Granlund, Josh Jooris, Corban Knight, Max Reinhart, Andy Taranto, Monahan).
Defenceman John Ramage, freshly graduated from University of Wisconsin and freshly signed, will get his first extended look.
Post-Penticton, the Flames' rookies clash with the University of Calgary Dinos — Monday at WinSport.
Then everyone advances to main camp, which starts next week.
"Unless guys really disappoint . . . unless they give us a reason not to bring them to main camp," said Feaster. "That's the information that we communicated to them at (July's) development camp, that as long as they're making the right progression, we'd bring them (to main camp). Any number of those guys are going to get an opportunity to play pre-season games as well."
Even though there is a herd of unrestricted free agents still in play, Feaster likely won't make any last-minute pitches to fortify his roster.
"We're mindful of who's out there yet . . . but at this stage, we wouldn't be looking to sign guys," he said. "At this point in time, the group of guys that we have under contract, that's who we want to bring in and look at."
In other words, the team plans to live now with its chosen direction.
"That's what's exciting," said Feaster. "Youth is going to be served. I think we saw it at the end of last season when we called guys up. We've seen it before when we've had to (promote) guys — young and hungry players bring passion and enthusiasm and excitement. It's infectious. Even grizzled veterans, when they see the young guys, it's a shot of adrenalin.
"For the first time in a long time, there's competition at this (main) camp. The audition for the young guys begins in Penticton. We're anxious. We're looking forward to it."
C-NOTES: G Miikka Kiprusoff, who turns 37 in October, remains an unknown commodity. Is the dude retired or what? "We've had conversations," said Feaster. "We'll have a resolution before the start of (main) camp. But it's not something we're prepared to discuss in one way or another right now," . . . Add to the rookie lineup RW Dylan Smoskowitz (who skated for the OHL Mississauga Steelheads last winter) and C Andy Taranto (who's a 25-year-old graduate of the University of Alaska-Fairbanks).
Wednesday — Fitness testing, then travel to Penticton, B.C., for Young Stars Classic at the South Okanagan Events Centre
Thursday — vs. Edmonton, 5 p.m.
Friday — vs. Vancouver, 8:30 p.m., The FAN 960
Saturday — Practice
Sunday — vs. San Jose, 6;30 p.m., The FAN 960
Monday — vs. University of Calgary Dinos, 7 p.m., WinSport
* Goalies (2) — Laurent Brossoit, Joni Ortio
* Defencemen (8) — Ryan Culkin, Zach Davies, Keegan Kanzig, Brett Kulak, John Ramage, Eric Roy, Patrick Sieloff, Tyler Wotherspoon
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A couple nights ago I was looking over the UEFI spec, and I realized it shouldn't be too hard to write UEFI applications in Rust. It turns out, you can, and here I will tell you how.
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Don't mess with Greeks.
A lawyer and a Greek are sitting next to each other on a long flight.
The lawyer is thinking that Greek s are so dumb that he could get over on them easy...So the lawyer asks if the Greek would like to play a fun game.
The Greek is tired and just wants to take a nap, so he politely declines and tries to catch a few winks.
The lawyer persists, and says that the game is a lot of fun. I ask you a question, and if you don't know the answer, you pay me only $5; you ask me one, and if I don't know the answer, I will pay you $500, he says.
This catches the Greek s attention and to keep the lawyer quiet, he agrees to play the game.
The lawyer asks the first question. 'What's the distance from The Earth to the Moon?' The Greek doesn't say a word, reaches in his pocket pulls out a five-dollar bill, and hands it to the lawyer.
Now, it's the Greek 's turn. He asks the lawyer, 'What goes up a hill with three legs, and comes down with four?' The lawyer uses his laptop and searches all references he could find on the Net.
He sends e-mails to all the smart friends he knows, all to no avail. After one hour of searching he finally gives up. He wakes up the Greek and hands him $500.
The Greek pockets the $500 and goes right back to sleep.
The lawyer is going nuts not knowing the answer. He wakes the Greek up and asks,
'Well, so what goes up a hill with three legs and comes down with four?'
The Greek reaches in his pocket, hands the lawyer $5 and goes back to sleep.
Stripping external links
Please don't remove links from OrthodoxWiki to OSource! The purpose of OSource is for source texts, not to strip external links out of OrthodoxWiki. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 02:41, November 18, 2008 (UTC)
- OSource does not only source "texts" but sources "Audio" as well ... only problem is that it is taking time to develop the site - especially since I have been away for 2 months. Vasiliki 02:56, November 18, 2008 (UTC)
- That's fine, and you're right. OSource is for other kinds of source material besides texts.
- Nevertheless, please don't remove standard content (such as links) from OrthodoxWiki. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 21:51, November 18, 2008 (UTC)
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I've noticed you've been adding many texts to OrthodoxSource. This is good.
I'm wondering, though, whether these texts are explicitly in the Public Domain or whether you have been given permission from the copyright holders to reproduce them on the site. Just in a brief examination of some of the texts on the site, I've found several articles which seem to be violations of copyright. (No indication is given that permission was received to use them.)
OrthodoxSource is hosted in the United States and has to abide by US copyright law. Except in the limited context of Fair use, it's illegal to use material from another source without explicit permission to do so. (Reproducing and republishing whole texts online does not constitute "fair use.")
Please make sure that you are abiding by US copyright law. OrthodoxWiki and OrthodoxSource could get shut down and the people who run them could get in trouble with the authorities.
For more information, see:
- OrthodoxWiki:Copyrights.
- OrthodoxWiki:Style_Manual#Copyrighted_Material
- OrthodoxWiki:Style Manual (Importing)
—Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 21:52, November 20, 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for your invitation, but I honestly don't have enough time to do the stuff I'd like for OrthodoxWiki, much less add another site. (Among other things, I'm in the midst of a roughly 280-page writing project for a lecture series I'm doing.)
In any event, please make sure that what you add to either wiki site is legally usable. One of the admins will be forced to delete anything that's not clearly permitted for our use. —Fr. Andrew talk contribs (THINK!) 15:03, November 21, 2008 (UTC)
- Your issue has been resolved. Father John has close ddown the site. You wont have problems with me anymore. Vasiliki 22:03, November 27, 2008 (UTC)
Dear Vasiliki,
I'm sorry that I acted so abruptly here. I did suspect it would impact you rather than anyone else and it would have been courteous of me to send you a note beforehand. I was a little worried about this. I have been thinking about shutting down the site for a little while, hoping that others would get more involved. Right now, it seems better to focus energies on OrthodoxWiki itself.
About the material, I will help you get off of the site anything you'd like. I was a little worried too about copyright issues, particular on the work of Bishop Kallistos'. Although I am happy to see it as a resource online, I don't want to do something that will get us into trouble. Anyway, let me know what you need a copy of and I'll find some way to do it. I could also just reopen the site for a day or so and let you take whatever you need. — FrJohn (talk) 05:56, November 27, 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you ... let me know. When one door closes another opens they say ... so, its time to use my time elsewhere ... my heart is no longer in OrthodoxWiki ... its cold in here.
- On another note, I feel that this word "copyright" is extremally detrimental to Orthodoxy (I am only venting although I understand that these are the worldy legal realities) ... I hope our good Lord shows us this one day ... what has Orthodoxy become? A business .... a business in "selling" theology ... we distribute the "meat" of Orthodoxy by SELLING IT ... I can understand it making business sence (ie. paying off the material costs to put it together) but it seems to have become an industry further past the basic costs .... it will never make true Orthodox sence to me ...
- I pray that we as Orthodox Christians can overcome this and continue to volunteer our time - for free - and distribute as "freely" as we can ... what do they say (in the Greek culture)? "whatever God gives you for FREE you are obligated to give it forward for FREE" - its not YOURS to keep or to make a profit from.
- The homilies of our Spiritual Fathers (in the Church) should be passed on to the people of the Church ... for free ... and if it isnt being passed on for free (for fear of being sued by those who published it) ... something is wrong ...
- Do we have Orthodoxy simply to discuss it or do we also practice it
- This world saddens me when our hands are tied up by the laws of this world. Vasiliki 21:50, November 27, 2008 (UTC)
- Vasiliki, Are you located in Greece? Your concerns about copyright are a major reason for this project, by the way -- and the kind of licensing we have chosen to use (Creative Commons -- see creativecommons.org -- and the GFDL), which allows free use and redistribution of content. I do not think that a desire for someone to protect their intellectual work is necessarily bad or unchristian, but I agree that our whole copyright system needs some work, and that the traditional use of materials in church often reflects something more like a "Creative Commons" approach (although often without attribution!).
- I am in Australia and I hope that you didnt shut down the site entirely because of your concerns about me ... many people where using that site and enjoying it ... I dont believe I breached copyright when it came to Bishop Kallistos Ware AND he has been given ALL credit for the work - also, the particular passage used was freely available over the internet and was taken from an Orthodox publication - what scares me is ... if the Orthodox start placing copyright laws on the Orthodox - we are NOT Orthodox ... I dont care if people have a "right"to intellectual property or not ... God gave each and everyone of us skills to use for the common cause ... if we start to claim ownership of the outcomes and forbid people to use it unless it follows certain rules .. then we are not working with God ... we are working for our own rights. I do not believe for a minute Bishop Kallistos Ware is that type of person ... I believe he is a great example of Orthodox and I would be sure that he would want people to be able to hear his sermons and read his work - if it is for the GLORY OF GOD and not for the Glory of HIM! :-)
- All that aside ... do what you have to do to keep Orthodox Wiki safe :-) I support you on that ... however, my heart is not in it when we can not just with absolute joy - share! Our hands are tied ... just like the Nymfio! Vasiliki 01:43, November 29, 2008 (UTC)
Minor edits
Hi! I've noticed that pretty much all your edits are marked (by default?) as "minor," but almost none of them actually are. "Minor" edits, on most wikis (including this one), are things that are completely uncontroversial, add no content, etc. They're edits like fixing grammar, spelling, punctuation, typographic errors, etc.
The reason why it's important not to mark non-minor edits as being "minor" is that watchlists often function in such a way as to exclude minor edits. But if such edits are really not minor, then they deserve to appear in watchlists.
If you have the wiki set to mark all your edits as minor by default, you can change this by clicking on the "my preferences" link at the top right of the screen, then by clicking on the "Editing" tab and then un-checking the appropriate box and then saving your changes.
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Hi all,
Ive ordered myself a bento box and am determined to start making bento-lunches in the new year. I love this site and all of the recipes and ideas, so i need a 'shopping list' to get myself started. What would you suggest? I have sushi rice, nori and rice wine vinegar, but thats pretty much it so far!!
Hello Vicky
There's a post by Maki here that might help you:
I added a comment at the time, but I'll simplify it to give my suggestions for starting cooking Japanese style bento
rice & vinegar you have
soy sauce, sesame oil, sesame seeds, garlic, ginger and miso, mirin and sake
spring onions and dried wakame seaweed are also very useful
Shaved bonito flakes if you're feeling adventurous as well as kombu if you're serious about learning to make Japanese food. You'll need to decide for yourself if you want to make dashi from scratch or cheat (like I mostly do) with dashi concentrate or powder - another useful staple.
I'd also recommend looking at Maki's furikake recipes and seeing if there are any that appeal to you. These make excellent staples for regular bento makers.
As you like 'oriental' cooking (a HUGE range of foods with Japanese only making up a fraction) you may also like Korean cuisine.
Although the tastes can be enormously different, there is quite a lot of common ground between Korean and Japanese cuisine - this means that your store cupboard staples for Japanese food (namely vinegar, soy sauce, sesame, miso, garlic and ginger - even the mirin/mirim) can also be used for Korean dishes. Teamed with rice, banchan side dishes (the Korean equivalent of okazu on which many bento are based) are often perfect alternatives for bento. Get some inexpensive Korean red pepper paste (Gochujang - spelling varies) and chilli powder and you instantly have many more potential bento dishes to try.
I recommend this website (particularly the side dish section)
Hi Vicky, if you don't have a local speciality store my local Waitrose carries a lot of Japanese ingredients like mirin, togarishi seasoning, umeboshi puree & sushi rice. It's not as cheap as an online vendor for buying lots of different ingredients but it's much more convenient for me as I work and parcel delivery can be tricky!
Enjoy your bentos!
I would say that garlic and soy sauce are usually the handiest when it comes to bentos. The other ingredients that Loretta mentioned are things that I always try to keep stocked, but I fail when I attempt to juggle working full time and going to school, so it is possible to do without.
Honestly I have found that the best bentos are usually ones that I improvise with whatever vegetables I thought looked best at the store that week, instead of focusing on Japanese ingredients. Not to mention you can slowly start incorporating these item, instead of taking the plunge and buying a bunch of ingredients that may be unfamiliar to you.
Hi VickyUK! Welcome to bento-ing! Here's a list of the things I find myself using daily:
soy sauce
pre-chopped garlic
sesame oil
olive oil
chili pepper (either cayenne, Korean, or nanami togarashi)
These are also all things that I use for non-bento cooking. I use rice vinegar, mirin, miso, dashi, ginger, and seseme seeds fairly often, but it's no problem making recipes that use none of these. I've found that my proteins and fresh veg take far more planning than my other ingredients.
I also highly recommend Loretta's link to Aeri's Kitchen. Her recipe for spicy chicken stew (Dak BokkEum Tang) is superb in a bento with plain rice, and it's great left over.
I second what everyone else has said. Maki's bento staples is a good link.
Tescos, Sainsbury, Asda etc all stock most of the things you'll need and they'd be cheaper than Waitrose. Local asian stores or nline stores like Japan Centre, Wing Yip etc will also be good as they'll tend to have more variety,stock and will be cheaper than places like Tesco.
I personally also find that pre-cut veg e.g. brocolli, green beans, onions, mixed peppers, diced spiced potatoes etc. and other frozen stuff help a lot as they cut down on prep and cooking time. I normally have a stocked freezer with all kinds of meat/fish,veg and frozen fruit and if a recipe calls for something and I don't have it, it's easy to substitute.
Finally if you can, buy a big bag of rice. You'll find small bags of pudding rice (similar to japanese rice) and it'll be annoying having to keep buying them every other week, but a 1kg or more bag of Nishiki rice for instance, will last ages an ages!
Have fun!
We make sure the follwoing is in stock just about every week:
Soy sauce
Chicken thighs
Frozen chicken breasts
We do a lot of Maki's chicken recipes, and that seems to be the basis for most of them; a few common things like lemon juice, olive oil, etc tend to make up the rest of our week's ingredients.
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|2013-04-08, 17:53
|Link #181
Anomaly / 矛盾存在
Join Date: Jan 2013
Age: 24
I've been wondering about White for a long time, but after a round of discussion in the LN thread I think I'm a step closer to figuring out.
Firstly, a good spoiler regarding White Cosmos:
Spoiler for White Cosmos' IS attack:
Spoiler for Black Lotus' IS skill:
On one hand, white can be seen as the most "accepting" colour, since white light is really a mixture of light of all other wavelengths. Black is the total absence of all of them, and as you add more black paint to a colour, it increasingly becomes black as well: a "rejection" of the new colour added.
Yet, white as a colour appears that way, because of the absolute reflection of light of all wavelengths, or a rejection of every colour. Similarly, black appears black, because that surface is absorbing all light that falls on it, reflecting nothing and absorbing everything. These are the facts we've agreed on so far.
What I conjecture, however, is that the nature of the avatar reflects the first property, that they are the presence or absence of all colours of light, but their IS skills, and also implying their traumas/wishes, reflect their innate ability to accept or reject others.
White Cosmos on the surface appears friendly and accepting to all, and from personal experience, such girls would be the kind that easily make tons of friends. KYH, on the other hand, would be moody and withdrawn in comparison.
It is worth noting that while she appears popular, KYH anime-wise probably appears to have admirers and co-workers, rather than friends (outside her legion members). I would distinguish between them and friends.
If Cosmos' IS attack is anything to go by though, «White that rejects all others» would hint, that she secretly despises people from the bottom of her heart, reveling in the suffering of others when it is possible to get away with it.
KYH on the other hand, is «Black that accepts all», and for that reason, struggles to change the fact that her avatar has no hands to hold anybody with, only blades that hurt.
The polar opposites of their natures would explain why KYH knows next to nothing about white avatars if she simply never asked her sister.
And if I may speculate further on whitish and blackish avatars: so far, Ardor Maiden and Sky Raker fall into the former, while Dusk Taker, Ash Roller, Blood Leopard are dark-coloured avatars.
Those who are closer to the white end of their colour are outwardly more friendly and easy-going, making them approachable in character as a person. But inside, they hold a complex either against others or against themselves.
Those closer to the black end of their colour are much more withdrawn and difficult to connect with, and their interaction with others can be reserved. Inside however, they hold a deep wish to reach out to others, hoping to receive friendship and support.
This is a long piece of writing, do analyse point by point and raise any objections if you have them. (:
|2013-04-08, 20:02
|Link #182
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
Spoiler for Cosmos versus Rain:
KYH only had Megumi for a friend at first, and that was because Megumi actively reached out to her. KYH seems to have made no effort to establish social connections with anyone, perhaps only making business-like relations with her fellow student counsel members. She's no social darling who emerses herself into the social scene or surrounds herself with followers.
On the other hand, that is exactly what Noumi did. However, it is possible that Noumi was not originally so bad, and that it was his brother's treatment of him following the creation of Dusk Taker that proved the final straw.
Perhaps, when Taker was created, Noumi didn't have a bottomless hunger for praise and glory, but only wanted his brother to treat him kindly. Perhaps Taker had a Limited Activation skill (like Aviation) which related to such a wish, but in breaking down and remaking himself, Noumi never achieved the attitude necessary to discover it.
Silver Crow was born from the wish to "fly", and Haruyuki only discovered Aviation in a moment where he again wished intensely for the power to "fly". If Haruyuki had an abusive parent, he might have lost his wish to "fly" (which KYH indirectly encouraged, by urging him to be strong and confident).
My mother told me some people believed cold hands were a sign that a person saved up all of their warmness for the heart they showed to those who could get past the cold hands.
|2013-04-13, 02:41
|Link #183
Anomaly / 矛盾存在
Join Date: Jan 2013
Age: 24
Sunder, you're not active on the LN thread, are you? Anyway, I'll just copy and paste my post from the SAO LN thread, and hope you have a good grasp on the events of Alicization:
From Flere's WEB Final summary, and my response to that here, I quote myself:
Spoiler for "Good spoiler: Speculations incl. AW speculations:
|2013-04-13, 03:23
|Link #184
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
If we assume that the creator has deemed Brain Burst a possible failure and started Cosmos Corrupt for that reason, then "Corruption" may refer to the pitfall that the creator has seen twice so far.
That is, if the creator deems success or failure based on the player-base's choices, the third game may be making it more obvious that the idea of "corruption" is important in terms of "winning" the game, insofar as one must avoid becoming corrupted.
Hmm. Except CC's year of release is only two years after the release of Brain Burst, whereas the Level 10 rule and peace treaty incident don't happen until at least four or five years into the game. So this whole theory seems to fall apart.
Perhaps instead, the creator is trying to achieve some result or discover some conclusion, and keeps refining his experiment. Like, he looked at Brain Burst, said to himself, "Yeah, that system is flawed; even if it gets the result I want, it might do so by a fluke. But now I have an idea for a slightly different experiment which is more likely to provide an unbiased answer."
|2013-04-14, 02:50
|Link #185
Anomaly / 矛盾存在
Join Date: Jan 2013
Age: 24
Although, what if the games are catering to different age groups? Considering that they are released one year after the other, and also this: that White Cosmos is AFAIK the only player of CC2040. She's one year older than KYH, so this puts her out of middle school age, possibly 1st year of high school, making her as old as sixteen or even seventeen.
This may be silly, linking it to economics, but from what I recall in theories of why companies practice price discrimination, perhaps this splitting of games is intended to test different distinct bands of students for different abilities and/or capabilities. Perhaps the requirements for CC installation are not as strict as BB, and have stricter and harder requirements to level up compared to BB.
Ultimately this is all wild speculation though. I might want to ask the author about this...apparently he's reputed for answering every question posed to him on twitter.
|2013-06-23, 19:00
|Link #186
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
So, I want to speculate about how Ultimate Gunsmith works. Especially with an eye on game balance.
Anything which violates the law of "equal level, equal potential" -- as Demonic Commandeer did -- is broken.
However, there are legal ways to circumvent that rule: Gaining new Enhanced Armaments, either from Enemies, the Shops, or other Burst Linkers. Yet all of these methods somehow obey the balance.
All of them involve risking or outright trading away your Burst Points, so you're not getting something for nothing. More than that, anyone else could have gotten the same weapon or tool before you did, or their own copy, or they might steal it from you.
Ultimate Gunsmith would need to balanced against the three normal methods of acquiring new weapons. It cannot be a way for Red Rider to endlessly expand his versatility (and thus power) in combat.
Perhaps Shops have randomized inventory, and Ultimate Gunsmith allowed Red Rider to pay Shop-equal costs in order to get any kind of gun he wanted on demand, without needing to wait for the right one to appear?
If Shops (or at least some Shops) can instead make weapons to buyer specifications, then perhaps Ultimate Gunsmith could do the same more cheaply (and allow Rider to skip the tedium of traveling to a Shop)?
|2013-06-24, 17:16
|Link #189
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
My bad. I was away so long I forgot there were two different Anime threads.
Anyway, I thought more about the balance issues with Demonic Commandeer versus Lime Bell's "ability unlearn" attack.
Both are special moves that deny an ability to the target, but Bell's attack doesn't steal that power for herself, and the effect doesn't last beyond death or the end of the duel.
Further, I understand right, it can only effect "bonus" abilities, rather than the target's starting abilities. Thus, an opponent can never be denied the most fundamental aspects of their avatar. Lime Bell could make Silver Crow a weaker flier, but not take away his wings.
Which leads me to think of a particular sort of attack ability: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...61#post4672661
|2013-06-27, 12:10
|Link #191
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2011
Why no one consider the theory of different world's line. They said in the chapter that the quantum computer could interfere with a parallel world, so it can be a different time's line and world's line altogether. That way there are no connections between SAO and AC like Kawahara said, but they still can cross over.
|2013-06-28, 06:23
|Link #192
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Join Date: May 2012
Location: Philippines
|2013-07-06, 20:32
|Link #194
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
Returning to the Ultimate Gunsmith topic...
A player's items can be sold to Shops in return for Burst Points, and those items become available for sale to other players, whom must pay Burst Points to get them.
Fuuko told Haruyuki that she could do that with her Gale Thruster, as an alternative to Haru needing to meet her in real life and reveal his face. (But, she said, the price for her Enhanced Armament would have been prohibitively expensive for him because of all of the bonuses she had invested into it.)
Supposing that Red Rider's gun-creating item cost Burst Points to make a gun, Rider could turn right around and sell those guns to Shops to get Burst Points back.
Obviously, he would need to recieve only as many (or fewer) Points for selling the guns than he spent on creating the guns, otherwise he could game the system for infinite Points.
But even if he doesn't make a profit from this, Red Rider could still avoid running out of Burst Points while simultaneously filling the "market" with weapons that NPCs might not normally have in their inventories, which benefits other players (especially allies, whom can buy the weapons before their rivals can). Especially if NPCs can't make customized weapons according to a player's order, which seems likely.
In fact, the ability to make exactly the kind of gun he desires may be the only benefit of Ultimate Gunsmith.
If Rider gets an equal or fewer number of Burst Points back from the Shop compared to the amount he had to spend in creating the weapon, that means that any weapon he means to keep for himself costs him as much or more than any weapon he could buy from a Shop.
If Shops could make weapons to order, then the only benefit of Ultimate Gunsmith would be that it saves him the trip of finding and visiting a Shop.
All of this assumes another point of balance: That Red Rider must pay exactly as many (or more!) Burst Points as the Shops would charge other players to buy the weapon.
See, it's possible that Rider could create for 1 BP a weapon that is worth 100 BP, and that the Shops will only buy that weapon from him for the same 1 BP cost that he spent to make it.
However, if Red Rider could create weapons cheaper than he could buy them, he would break the system. Because no other player could gain so many additional Enhanced Armaments so reliably and with such a smaller-than-normal risk.
This means that Red Rider, before he became Level 9, likely did not have a staggeringly huge arsenal of weapons. After all, if he kept spending Burst Points on new guns for himself, he'd never have enough left over to Level Up!
Instead, it means that Red Rider gradually accumulated a few extra guns, in addition to his starting equipment and anything gained through Level Up bonuses. These extra guns would have been created for the express purpose of dealing with enemies against whom Rider's normal abilities would be ineffective. Each of them, a purpose-made, anti-(player) or anti-(Boss) weapon.
And if that player or Boss stopped being a concern? He could make up the cost by turning around and selling that weapon to a Shop. (Though he might have to worry about someone else buying that weapon and using against him or his allies.) In the end, Rider would lose nothing, and in return for "nothing" he gained a huge advantage against his target for as long as that target was a problem. DAMN.
Quite possibly, Rider had eight extra guns, each designed specifically for one of the other eight Kings of Pure Color. Which would, of course, make him very difficult for the other Kings to fight, since he could specialize against each of them rather than just one or two of them.
To counter that, they would each have to luck upon a Shop, Enemy or other player who had a suitable anti-Rider weapon, and then buy the weapon or kill the target and hope for a successful random drop. That's a lot more work.
So you see, simply being able to make exactly the weapons he wants, whenever he wants, is already a big advantage for Rider that no one else would have. Especially once he had the allies or the personal strength to reliably farm Enemies for Burst Points.
However, while Ultimate Gunsmith is powerful, we still can't be sure how powerful it is until we know more about the limitations of Shops. Such as whether they have a randomized inventory, a universal inventory between shops, an exclusive inventory in certain hidden shops, or whether some weapons are limited in stock.
Likewise, how reliable Enemy item drops are. Those might be random, and some weapons might not drop a second time.
|2013-07-07, 07:54
|Link #195
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
TL;DR version
1) Shops don't take custom orders. They sell only what's in stock.
2) To make a gun, Red Rider needed to spend as many Burst Points as someone would need to buy it from a Shop, if not more.
3) Rider could make guns specifically designed to counter other Burst Linkers or Enemies, then sell the gun if he didn't need it anymore.
4) Rider probably only ever had a few "extra" guns at a time, because of the huge cost involved. He didn't spend much time as a Level 9, and before that he needed to save up BP for leveling up.
5) Selling a gun allows him to get back the Burst Points he spent and makes a new gun available for his allies to buy, but it also runs the risk of his enemies getting the gun.
6) A number of Rider's old allies and legionaires (and one or two enemies) would still have guns created by Rider. Since a lot of his old legionaires left after his death, many of these guns would now be found in the Purple King's Oval Aurora. Purple Thorn herself likely has at least one such gun as a gift.
7) Beyond making ISS Kits, White Cosmos might have used the forge to create various Anti-King Guns, since she doesn't need to save up BP for leveling up anymore.
8) It's theoretically possible for a Blue avatar to have an Ultimate Swordsmith device, which would make him a coveted asset or target.
Last edited by Sunder the Gold; 2013-07-07 at 08:09.
|2013-07-16, 13:12
|Link #196
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
So, I want to voice a complaint about Accel World, Sword Art Online, and quite possibly a lot of other anime.
The only male characters are The Hero, The Enemies, The Ineffectual, and the Dudes Too Cool To Be On Screen.
The hero is Arita Haruyuki, who always saves the day. The plot always revolves entirely around him, since he's either the one needing to be saved or the only one who can save the current damsel in distress.
Takumu was an enemy, then become an ineffectual sidekick, then become an enemy again before once again becoming an ineffectual sidekick. He never gets any significant focus in battles except when he loses. He's the dude who can't win, ever; his major contributions are buying Haruyuki enough time to be the hero.
I'm pretty sure that Graphite Edge being a possible bridge to Kirito and Sword Art Online is only half the reason why he's the very last Element to even appear, let alone merit a rescue. The other half of the reason is simply because he's male, and more powerful and competent than Haruyuki.
And we can't have more than one effective male among the heroes, oh no.
Every other character is female. Not that I have any objection to an overwhelmingly female cast, but it starts to strain credibility when there's just one effective male among them and ALL of the girls are attracted to him to some degree or another.
This pattern carries over from Sword Art Online. There's Kirito, there's his harem, and the assholes he has to protect his harem from, and then there's this Klein dude being badass somewhere else in the world but never meriting any sort of real focus.
I'm assuming Recon is about as effectual as Takumu manages to be, even if Takumu is far more obviously a badass.
|2013-07-18, 20:47
|Link #197
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
Tell me, you do think it's possible for Accel World to focus on other heroes' struggles and developments (on ANYONE's story but Haruyuki's) and still remain the same series?
Kuroyukihime got her own sidestory in Okinawa where she was totally the hero and the viewpoint character, and absolutely none of the plot centered around Haruyuki.
Is it too much to hope that Takumu might get his chance to shine without serving as a sacrifice or getting worfed immediately after?
He loses to Haruyuki in his first battle appearance, despite the vast Level and experience difference and absolutely dominating the fight up to that point.
He has Dusk Taker on the ropes, only to get blindsided by the Incarnate System. He lays in wait in molten lava in order to land the decisive blow against Dusk Taker in the battle royale... only to have Lime Bell reverse the tables, whereupon Dusk Taker absolutely takes Cyan Pile apart and leaves Silver Crow to be the hero.
He goes through Training From Hell to develop his own Incarnate Skill, but only serves as filler until Silver Crow gets fired up enough to rush in and save the day once again as the hero.
He goes investigating the ISS and gets in over head, needing to be saved by the hero, Silver Crow... despite the fact that Crow himself is afflicted with his OWN, even more fearful curse.
|2013-07-19, 12:55
|Link #198
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2009
It's possible for the main characters other than Haru as well, though slightly more difficult due to Haru being much more heavily intertwined with them.
|2013-07-19, 20:02
|Link #200
Teal Vanguard
Join Date: Jul 2013
@rickminato: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...54#post4724254 Summaries are often posted in the LN thread. If it isn't there, one may assume it hasn't been made yet.
Also, for Accel World being able to focus in someone else's exploits, yes, I do believe it'd be quite possible. I wouldn't mind a spinoff adventure... If the main character weren't a mary sueish girl and it focused more on battles and less on yuri fanservice... A competent male character every now and then wouldn't hurt, you know. Let's hope Wolfram Cerberus will fix that...
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(RSF/IFEX) - 2 April 2012 - Reporters Without Borders supports the principle of a request for judicial protection for a TV journalist's video of rioting which a court in Coyhaique, the capital of the troubled Patagonian region of Aysén, is due to consider today.
The request was filed by Senator Alejandro Navarro Brain and Rubén Jérez, a lawyer with the United Workers Center (Central Unitaria de Trabajadores, CUT), on 29 March, a few hours after men in civilian dress went to the home of the journalist who filmed the video, Canal 40 TV Aysén owner and director Samuel Chong Rivera, and threatened to arrest him if he did not hand it over.
The men described themselves as "detectives" but did not show any identification. According to the online newspaper El Periodista, they demanded all the video footage that Chong filmed for his TV station during protests on 15 March. In particular, they wanted footage showing protesters setting fire to a "carabinero" bus and water-cannon truck. The carabineros are a militarized police force. Despite their threats, Chong refused to surrender any of his footage.
"We hope that the Coyhaique court will approve this request but at the same time we think an investigation is needed in order to quickly identify those responsible for this unwarranted attempt to obtain journalistic material," Reporters Without Borders said. "They sought not only to violate protection of sources, to which Chong and every journalist have a right, but also to implement a legal provision turning journalists into police auxiliaries that, in the face of widespread opposition, interior minister Rodrigo Hinzpeter recently had to drop from a security bill that bears his name."
The authorities have cracked down hard during the past two months of protests in Aysén and have even tried to block access to news and information in the region.
Reporters Without Borders nonetheless hails the 29 March announcement by the local authorities that they are withdrawing charges against 22 people – including Canal 3 / Radio Santa Maria cameraman Victor Hugo Gómez – who were arrested during protests on 20 March under a state security law dating back to the 1973-90 military dictatorship.
After falling 47 places to be ranked 80th out 179 countries in the latest Reporters Without Borders press freedom index, Chile continues to see many cases of carabinero abuses against journalists. The latest was Radio Cooperativa reporter Andrés Jara's violent and arbitrary arrest while covering a fire at a plastics factory in Huechuraba, in the Santiago region, on 27 March. The authorities have offered no explanation for his arrest.


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1783-1789 Three brothers and a sister are born to the family before Catherine
1 April 1790 Birth – Catherine Shinkle daughter of Hans Phillip Shinkle and Barbara Walderin Heidleberg twp, Lancaster co, PA
June 1792 Brother, John Jacob is born
20 Aug 1794 Battle of Fallen Timbers, Maumee Ohio, in the Maumee river valley
1795 Family moved to Clermont/Brown co, Ohio "taking a flatboat at Pittsburg and landing a short distance below the present site of Higginsport. " Shinkle Genealogy, p. 17
26 July 1795 Brother Peter is born at Slab Camp, later called Sterling, near New Hope Ohio Clermont co,Ohio
1796 Lived on the flatboat, "ready to cut loose in case of Indian trouble". Shinkle Genealogy p. 17
Jan 1800 Sister Barbara is born
1800 Clermont county, Ohio is created, 3 years before Ohio is a state.
April 1803 Ohio statehood
2 Dec 1804 Sister Eve is born
June 1805 Father, Phillip Shinkle purchased 300 acres nears Feesburg from Phillip Buckner.
10 Jan 1811 Marriage to Henry Bolender. Henry was an active Dunkard minister like his father Stephen Bolender in Clermont co, Ohio
11 Oct 1811 First son Jacob is born Clermont co, Ohio
16 Dec 1811 New Madrid Earthquake – effects felt (in the red zone) as far as Clermont and Brown co, Ohio see this map. To read and account click this link
16 July 1813 A son Jonas born Clermont co, Ohio
13 April 1816 A daughter Barbara is born in Clermont co, Ohio. She married Anthony Loranz in Lewiston, Fulton co, Il
Dec 1817 Brown county created from Clermont county
13 May 1818 A daughter Elizabeth is born Clermont co, Ohio
4 Feb 1820 A son Stephen is born, Clermont co, Ohio
June 1820 Census – 5 children Clermont co, Ohio
18 July 1822 A daughter Catherine is born Clermont co, Ohio
Jan 1823 Fulton co, Illinois created
25 Aug 1824 A son John is born Clermont co, Ohio
16 Sept 1826 A daughter Rebecca is born Clermont co, Ohio
5 Feb 1828 A daughter Lydia is born Clermont co, Ohio
24 Dec 1828 A son Eli is born Clermont co, Ohio
June 1830 Census – 10 children Clermont co, ohio
6 Mar 1833 A daughter Sarah is born Clermont co, Ohio
27 Feb 1837 A daughter Mary is born Clermont co, Ohio
Oct 1839 Travelled from Chilo, Ohio by steamboat for Illinois. Settled in Fulton co, IL. Shinkle Genealogy p. 47 Spoon river, Fulton co, IL
June 1840 Census – 9 children Fulton co, IL
June 1850 Census – 6 children still at home Fulton co, Il
13 Nov 1856 Husband, Henry Bolender died Lewistown, Fulton co, Il
June 1860 Census – living with son Eli and daughters Rebecca and Sarah A Fulton co, Il
8 April 1868 Died in Lewiston, Fulton co, IL Lewistown, Fulton co, Il
Biography of Catharine Shinkle Bolender
On 1 April 1790, Catherine Shinkle (Schenckel) was born to Hans Phillip Schenckel and his wife, Barbara Walderin, in Heidleburg township, Lancaster county, Pennsylvania. Catherine is my 3rd great grandmother and since her father Phillip Shinkle and the mother of her future husband, Margaret Shinkle, were siblings, she is also my 1st cousin 5 times removed. The premiere source for this family record is "The Shinkle Genealogy" by Louise J. Abbott and Charles L. Abbott, printed in 1897 in Cincinnati with numerous original records supporting the work.
When Catherine was about five years old, her family emigrated to the newly opened lands of the Virginia Military District in the Northwest Territory, travelling first by wagon to Pittsburg, traversing the Allegany mountains, then by the newly invented flatboat down the Ohio river, stopping just below present day Higginsport, Ohio. Our vision of Ohio now is not what Catharine and her family saw. The trip down the Ohio river was a slow, meandering float, with the river surrounded by "an overwhelming forest, so thick, so tall it surrounded a person" writes Brethren historian, Merle C. Rummel. Danger lurked in the forest; danger from hostile Indians, bear and the wilderness itself. Included in this exciting and daring adventure were her four brothers, ages 12, 10, 7 and 3, her sister, 8 and her parents. Her mother, Barbara was pregnant with another child who was born at Slab Camp, afterwards called Sterling, Ohio, 26 July 1795. It is probable that other members of the Shinkle and Bolender family travelled with them or followed in the next couple of years. Her future husband, Henry Bolender made the same trip with his family sometime in 1802.
According to The History of Clermont county, Ohio, "the family lived on the flatboat ready to cut loose, at any Indian trouble."
River to Rail website.
In the Battle of Fallen Timbers on 20 August 1794 the Native American Indian troops were defeated by General "Mad" Anthony Wayne's troops but hostilities continued for several years making pioneer life dangerous. What a life that must have been though, especially for a child. Of course there would have been many chores to be done, there are always chores to be done, but the freedom to explore and enjoy the beauty of the land would be an experience no other generation would know.
Catherine's father, Hans Phillip Shinkle purchased 300 acres of land from Phillip Buckner in 1805, near Feesburg, Ohio. Perhaps this land already had a dwelling to house his family of nine children, himself and his wife or perhaps he had been improving the land all the while and now was able to purchase it. The land had originally been opened as payment for Revolutionary War service but many veterans did not settle the land, they simply sold it.
On 10 January 1811, Catherine married Henry Bolender. Henry's father, Stephen was a large land owner and had provided land to all his children including Henry. Also following in his father's footsteps, Henry was a Dunkard minister which by extension made Catharine a devout member of the church. Almost exactly nine months after their marriage Catharine presented Henry with his first son, Jacob, born 11 Oct 1811. Just 2 months later, on 16 Dec 1811, the first of four massive earthquakes known as the New Madrid earthquakes hit the Ohio river valley, causing extensive to moderate damage from the bootheel of Missouri up to Cincinnati and into Kentucky. Without question Catherine experienced the earthquake which hit in the early hours of the morning. Imagine the shock and fear she must have felt trying to protect her newborn son but probably not knowing what was happening. The hardy, spirited members of this family may have thought, "this is just another obstacle to overcome, just another test by my God." No family records detail damage done in the area, but the general descriptions from nearby areas are of chimneys crumbling, trees snapping, water spouts blowing up from the river and numerous other phenomena.
For the next 20 years, Catherine was a pioneer wife and mother, bearing 11 more children all except one, who lived to adulthood. The family appears on the 1820 and 1830 census for Clermont county, Ohio.
In October of 1839 Catherine once again embarked on the pioneer trail. She and her family along with Thomas Hayward, the son of her sister Elizabeth Shinkle Hayward travelled to an area known as the Military Tract in what is now Fulton county, Illinois. Catharine's group went down the Ohio river by steamboat while the other group, which consisted of the families of Daniel Bolender, Elijah Demaris and Nathaniel Wood, 13 persons, went overland. From The Shinkle Genealogy, "The overland party, on approaching the mouth of Spoon River, Illinois, heard the sound of a steamboat bell, and proceeding in that direction, discovered their friends in the act of unloading their goods from the boat. The joyous greetings of the two parties, which had reached their destination on the same day, still live in the memory of survivors."
Catherine and her family flourished in Fulton county. The children married. The grandchildren surely flocked around their grandmother eager to hear the many stories she had to tell and adventures she had to share. For twenty years, Catherine and Henry enjoyed the fruits of their labors, then in November of 1856, Henry died at the age of 68. Catharine lived with her son, Eli and several daughters until her death in 1868 at age 78.