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Culturebosh! Rebooted
Culturebosh.com used to be mostly the home of our podcast and a showcase for game jams that me and Shaun did as a team. Life circumstances have put the podcast on an indefinite hiatus, so i'm re purposing the site as a hub for all my game making (and possibly off topic) ventures.
Probably going to give everything a slight visual and structural overhaul as soon as I can beg for some time from Theo (the wizard who set up the website), but for now, I've cleared the old posts and will start posting new content very soon.
For now – here are the key interesting places you might want to look to see my stuff!
Games – to be found on itch.io – https://culturebosh.itch.io/
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Joshua D. Green teaches private applied piano and class piano. He received a B.M. in Piano Performance, magna cum laude, from Dallas Baptist University in Dallas, Texas; where he studied with Dr. Beth Quillian. While at DBU, he served as a choral accompanist for one of the university choral ensembles.
Professor Green holds a M.M. in Piano Pedagogy from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas, where he studied with Dr. Jill Sprenger (applied piano and pedagogy), Dr. Michelle Johnson (applied piano) and Dr. Robert Smith (accompanying). During his time at Southwestern, he was awarded the Wayne "Polly" McNelly Piano Award, and served as a teaching assistant in the piano department. He has participated in numerous masterclasses and workshops under artists/pedagogues such as: Harold Martina, Carolyn Ture, Jane Magrath, Melody Bober, Suzanne Guy and Sheila Paige.
Professor Green serves on the piano faculty at the School of Fine Arts at Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano, Texas. He continues to remain active as a church musician, serving as Minister of Music at University Baptist Church in Arlington, Texas, as well as freelancing as a solo and collaborative pianist throughout the DFW Metroplex.
The blending of music and missions is a form of ministry about which Professor Green is very passionate. In 2002, he was privileged to travel to Guatemala where he collaborated with faculty from Central American Theological Seminary and Guatemala Bible Serminary in teaching music courses and giving private lessons to students who came from all over Central and South America. In addition to teaching, he presented concerts in various venues throughout the country.
Other musical fields in which Professor Green has performed include serving as rehearsal pianist/accompanist for musical theater productions and as keyboardist for local Christian bands in the DFW area.
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Israel Blames U.S., France for Arming Lebanon
United States has given Lebanon approximately $400 million over the past year to purchase arms, despite Israel's objections.
Israel will launch a diplomatic campaign calling on the United States and France to stop their military assistance to Lebanon following Tuesday's exchange of fire on the northern border.
"Countries are providing the Lebanese army with advanced weaponry for it to fight Hezbollah, and instead the Lebanese army is using the weapons to fire on IDF soldiers," a senior official in Jerusalem said on Tuesday.
The United States has given Lebanon approximately $400 million over the past year to purchase arms, despite Israel's objections. France has also sent a great deal of weaponry to Lebanon, including advanced anti-tank missiles.
Israel is expected to ask the U.S. Congress to limit its approval of financial aid to Lebanon for arms purchases.
The United States and France issued sharply worded messages to Jerusalem and Beirut yesterday, calling for immediate de-escalation. Top White House Middle East adviser Dan Shapiro phoned Israel's ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, asking him to inform Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that the administration expects him to act with restraint. A similar message was sent to Lebanon's ambassador to Washington, Antoine Shadid.
Meanwhile, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner telephoned Defense Minister Ehud Barak, asking that Israel show restraint and "check the facts surrounding the events." Barak asked Kouchner to make it clear to Lebanon that any further baiting of Israel would lead to an even harsher response. Barak called the incident a "planned provocation."
The UN Security Council held a closed-door session on Tuesday after the event. The head of the UN peacekeeping forces, Alain Le Roy, presented the council with the results of UNIFIL's initial probe of the incident. Le Roy did not blame either side for the incident, nor did he accept Israel's claim that the Lebanese troops opened fire first.
The Security Council made do with issuing a short statement at the end of the meeting, calling on both sides to show restraint.
Senior officials in Israel were angry the Security Council had not found Lebanon responsible for the incident.
Earlier on Tuesday, Israel's UN envoy Gabriela Shalev wrote to the UN secretary general and the president of the Security Council, saying that Israel had coordinated its work near the border fence with UNIFIL and that the Lebanese army opened fire first, in a flagrant violation of Security Council Resolution 1701.
The deputy chief of Israel's delegation to the United Nations, Ambassador Daniel Carmon, told Haaretz that "the two attacks yesterday on an Israeli patrol were not decided on by a single soldier or local commander."
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Researchers at the Indian Institute of Technology Bombay (IIT Bombay) have developed a new life-saving device that can detect heart attacks early on using a smartphone. The innovative sensor, conceptualised by students Debasmita Mondal and Sourabh Agrawal, and guided by Prof. Soumyo Mukherji, won the recently presented 2018 Gandhian Young Technological Innovation award recently.
Scientists from IIT Bombay show how using drugs in combination can help treating tuberculosis caused by drug resistant bacteria
IITB has developed a potentially minimally invasive cartilage regeneration technique which could be a painless, inexpensive, and non-toxic method to cure osteoarthritis.
"Can we get a 3D model from 2D X-ray images of a bone from a patient's body?" asked a top surgeon from Hinduja hospital, who wanted an alternative to the current practice. The OrthoCAD lab's software can do this within a minute, with atmost two X-ray images.
Wouldn't it be nice to have a transparent sunscreen lotion and yet protect your skin from harmful UV ? Engineered nanoparticles can now provide the right kind of mask.
How safe are gold nanostructures for treating cancer patients? Quite safe now says a research team at IITB. The team has engineered a new gold nanoparticle called Lipos Au NPs that has unprecedented potential to cure cancer in a biologically safe and noninvasive way.
Ten robots are working independently to push a cargo. Can they produce a net force equivalent to that of eleven robots working independently? The answer is, YES, it is possible in the nano-bio world — each robot has to switch between two "states", based on a set of rules!
Almost 70 years after independence nearly 600 million Indians do not have access to proper sanitation. A recent technology development brings clean, eco-friendly, and affordable sanitation to the masses.
Pathological examination of blood requires the plasma to be separated from the red blood cells and the white blood cells. Usually this is done by centrifugation (high speed rotation) of the blood. The disadvantage with this is that it requires a significant amount of blood and a centrifuge cannot be integrated with a microdevice for point-of-care applications. Researchers at IIT Bombay have now designed a microfluidic chip for blood separation, that can function with a very little blood. Importantly, the microfluidic chip offers almost 100% efficiency in the separation.
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Health insurance continues to dominate the United Arab Emirates (UAE) insurance market, with health insurance accounting for 45% of total premiums in the general insurance market. At present, health insurance is compulsory for residents and citizens in the Emirates of in Abu Dhabi and Dubai. Sharjah is also planning on introducing a compulsory health insurance scheme in the near future, although further detail in this respect is not yet publically available. Abu Dhabi had introduced mandatory health insurance for all residents in 2012 and Dubai introduced its mandatory health insurance scheme in 2014. The Dubai health insurance scheme requires employers to obtain health cover for their employees and was implemented in phases as follows:
- Companies with more than 1,000 employees: from October 31, 2014.
- Companies with 100-999 employees: from July 31, 2015.
- Companies with less than 100 employees: from June 30, 2016.
Further, individuals are required to obtain health insurance for their dependents, including domestic workers, by 30 June 2016. The mandatory policy provides for a basic level of cover, and employers and individuals may obtain "enhanced" cover which is over and above the minimum basic coverage prescribed by law. To ensure compliance with the health insurance requirements, the issuance and renewal of an employee's visa will be subject to the employee having health insurance in place.
At the recent Emirates Insurance Association 2016 Health Insurance conference, attended by major industry players and representatives from the regulatory authorities, the following key challenges faced by UAE health insurers were raised:
- Abuse or unnecessary use of health insurance services, including in particular the over-prescription of antibiotics and unnecessary caesarean sections.
- Over-reliance on brand name medication over generic medication. By way of comparison, it was reported that in the UAE only 10% of prescriptions are for generic medication, compared to over 80% in the United States and the United Kingdom.
- Severe competition and price-cutting by insurers, together with lower oil prices and returns on investments have greatly reduced the profitability of health insurers in the region.
The Dubai Health Authority and the Health Authority of Abu Dhabi noted that they are reviewing the regulations in relation to health insurance premiums and will be introducing more detailed regulations in this respect in the near future. Further, the Dubai Health Authority will be undertaking reviews of data provided by insurers and service providers and will be undertaking investigations into any suspected abuse or fraudulent activities.
Ms Nabila Taha, Managing Director and Chief Actuary of Taha Actuaries & Consultants, noted that the UAE Insurance Authority's new Financial Regulations, aim to address the issue of price undercutting by requiring all insurers to appoint an actuary to provide certification of an insurer's technical reserves and solvency capital. The Financial Regulations also require that an actuary provide the Insurance Authority with an annual report that presents the immediate or future risks facing the insurer. Difficulty in complying with the new financial and solvency requirements are expected to force smaller insurers in the UAE market to consolidate over the next few years.


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When we last saw Sonic Unleashed, we learned that the game was split into day and night levels. We didn't know at the time just how important a role the time of day plays in Sonic Unleashed. It's big. In fact, you could say these are two different games stapled together.
During the daytime, Sonic is all about speed. He runs more or less on rails, reaching speeds of up to 300mph thanks to his new boost ability. The gameplay is similar to Sonic and the Secret Rings, but with a few refinements. For one, this is the first game to use the new Hedgehog Engine, which allows for a graphical upgrade on PS3 and Xbox 360. The Wii and PS2 versions also use the same engine, but will have completely different level layouts.
Whichever version you end up buying, you will experience streamlined levels that Sonic races through quickly. Sure, there are a few platforming elements here and there that will have Sonic slow down every so briefly, but daytime events are all about speed.
At night, Sonic is, well, not the same hedgehog. See, Dr. Eggman did some mojo using the emeralds to transform Sonic into a lycanthrope. That's right, when the moon rises, sonic turns into a werehog.
As a werehog, Sonic is stripped of his speed, but given incredible strength and the ability to stretch his arms a few extra feet. Rather than racing through levels at top speeds, Sonic Teen Wolf uses his strength to bash enemies. There are some minor platform elements as well. Most require you use Sonic's stretching abilities (the ladies looooove Sonic) to reach higher platforms or save the werehog from falling to his death by grabbing ledges.
The night segments are about exploration and adventure elements... and smashing things. Daytime is about speed. Both exist in the same areas as there is a daytime and nighttime segment for each level.
Though Sonic Unleashed is coming this year, it has a lot of work ahead of it. The framerate takes a nosedive in some of the daytime areas. Sonic may be running 300 mph, but at three frames per second. If nothing else, the framerate for a Sonic game needs to be perfect. Hopefully SEGA can get that nailed down before Sonic ships this holiday.


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The Clinton email scandal is an interesting shadow IT failure. Based on the Wikipedia article, the domain and mail server were setup in 2008 at a residence before moving to a data center in 2013 for management.
In this situation, we have a user that wants mobile device access on her BlackBerry. I was a BlackBerry Enterprise Admin at that time. At that point in my career, I had advocated and implemented a mandatory password policy and a mandatory device encryption policy on BlackBerry devices for a global enterprise. I'd also implemented device health / status monitoring using the BlackBerry monitoring. BlackBerry also offered remote wipe capabilities that mostly worked. She was asking for the most secure device at that time. She wasn't asking for an iPhone 1 nor an initial Android. She went rogue and setup her own mail server. I'm going to guess her setup didn't include a BlackBerry Enterprise Server. IT just said no, the user went rogue.
There should be a history of security incidents / reports around this mail server usage. Why didn't the security monitoring team notice anything? From a mail flow perspective, this should have stood out as odd. I'm assuming this would have been a relatively high volume external domain. Why didn't the DLP team notice anything? There should have at least been alerts for classified information leaving the network. Why didn't audit / compliance catch this? They should have caught the mail filter exemptions that surely existed.
Unless they all did and the reports were buried…
The final wrinkle in the story for me is she eventually moved the server to a cloud provider. Their website mentions they provide managed security services. What are their security practices like? Could any of their employees see her data? Did the investigation include reviewing data handling practices at this organization?
As a followup, I listened to the entire testimony via the Lawfare Podcast. Per the testimony, James Comey indicated the content on her mail server was improperly marked. A properly marked document should have a header and a footer. How did the DLP solution allow an improperly marked document leave the network? Shouldn't it have flagged the document as being non-compliant?


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A Future for Public Media in New Jersey
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The Woodrow Wilson School hosted a roundtable discussion titled "A Future for Public Media in New Jersey" at 4:30 p.m. on Wednesday, October 20, in Bowl 016, Robertson Hall. The panel responded to the report issued by the New Jersey Legislative Task Force on Public Broadcasting on the future of New Jersey Network Public Television and Radio (NJN). The task force was established to study, evaluate and develop recommendations relating to NJ Governor Chris Christie's proposal to privatize NJN - New Jersey's only television station.


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There are many perverse elements to the tennis season. We
know them well: It's too long, it starts too early, and in the end, rather than
rising to a crescendo, it fizzles into obscurity. But what seems
strangest to me at the moment is how, despite that meandering length, the core
of the year remains so compressed. The tournaments that will largely define 2010 in the
future, Wimbledon and the French Open, came and went, as they always do, in six
short weeks. Right now it feels as if the year's results were decided at
one long Paris-to-London, clay-to-grass super-event.
So let's take a moment and look at what happened on the men's
side during that time. Unlike in the women's game, a definitive change
took place at the top of the ATP. Roger Federer went to Paris as the No. 1
player in the world and defending champion at both the French Open and
Wimbledon. He left London ranked No. 3, and lost in the quarters at both
tournaments. Rafael Nadal went in ranked No. 2, with virtually nothing to
defend. He came out with both titles and the No. 1 spot likely secured for the
rest of the season.
This flip-flop at the top has a couple of noteworthy aspects
to it. First, the Channel Slam—the French-Wimbledon double—has suddenly been
rendered routine. Before 2008, it had been considered one of the Holy Grails of
the men's game, a feat only the immortals of old were capable of pulling off.
The last player to do it had been Bjorn Borg, who won the French and Wimbledon
back to back from 1978 to '80. As the years went by and no one managed to match Borg even one time, his triple-double grew to mythic proportions—"How did he
possibly do that?" was all we could ask after a while. Now it's been done three
straight times again: Nadal in 2008, Federer in '09, and Nadal in 2010.
On the one hand, the improved grass at Wimbledon has played
a role in making this possible. The jump from slow clay to slick, unpredictable
turf is not as extreme as it was in Borg's day. Players no longer have to
develop their games in one direction or the other, the way Pete Sampras did;
you can succeed on both surfaces with the same power-baseline style. Still, the fact that two guys have done it in such rapid succession, after
such a long dry spell, can't merely be chalked up to a better brand of grass.
To me, their Channel Slams are an example of the extraordinary moment we're
witnessing in tennis.
We have a male player, Federer, who has won 16
majors and been touted as the best player, both from a statistical and an
aesthetic standpoint, in history. Federer, for good measure, just went six
years without losing before the semis at a Slam. We have another man, Nadal,
who is likely the best clay-court player ever; he won a record 81-straight
matches on the stuff, and has won five French Opens in six tries. Together
Federer and Nadal have locked up the No. 1 and 2 spots for longer than any
other pair of men, and, even more remarkably, they've won 20 of the last 22 majors. Beyond their rivalry,
in the last year we've seen Ivo Karlovic hit a then-unthinkable 78 aces, only
to have that record shattered a few months later, by two players, in a single match
that lasted five hours longer than any in history. You might say all of this is
just part of the evolution of the sport, and that records are made to be
broken. But you would also have to say that any of the numbers above, taken
separately, would be considered outliers. Put them together and it's clear
we're seeing something special.
The other noteworthy element to this year's Channel Slam is that Nadal won both of them in fairly similar fashion, while Federer lost at both of them in very similar fashion. Nadal has never been more versatile. He won tactically (the Wimbledon final). He won
with raw consistency and speed (the French Open final). He won by taking it straight at his bigger-hitting opponent (against Soderling at Wimbledon).
Overall, it appeared that he didn't believe he could lose, and that's a
mindset that's closer to Federer's in his prime than it is to Nadal's own
normal way of looking at his game. It's clear that Nadal has reached some kind of peak. It's not every day that you get to bite the World Cup.
Two questions emerge: Is Nadal the new Federer? And if so,
can he catch his major-title count? I'll start by acknowledging that neither of
these is in any way answerable, or even semi-predictable. One thing we know
about Nadal is that he has typically peaked around this time in a season, and
that he gradually falls off from here. Up to this point, he has also lacked
Federer's ability to cruise into the semis at Slams. It's harder work for
Rafa all around, and he's never gotten as many free points with his serve as
Federer has. He'll need to change some part of that equation if he wants to own
the sport the way his rival has. It's not beyond the realm of possibility. In 2005,
it would have been difficult to imagine Nadal ever winning a Wimbledon final, let alone winning one without
being broken.
As for Federer, we know that he has recovered from a defeat
at Wimbledon in 2008 and come back to win the next Slam, the U.S.
Open. We'll know more after this Open, and at the end of the year, about whether
these patterns are ready to be broken, and new ones more favorable to Nadal put
in place. I'd be surprised to see Rafa dip precipitously this time, and I'd also be surprised if Federer doesn't revive himself and play better tennis in
the second half of the year. Losing to guys he's owned for years should provide some of the motivation that may have been missing after his record-breaking 2009.
Will it be enough for Federer to significantly add to his
Slam total over the next few years, and put it out of reach of Nadal?
Federer has said he'll play at least until the 2012 London Olympics, and likely
beyond. He'll be 31 that summer, which means he could potentially play for
three or four years after that. A lot will depend on his status in the game at
that point. If he's a perennial quarterfinalist, overpowered by the big
men on a regular basis, I don't see him sticking around for long; it would be tough for someone of his stature to swallow. But I also don't see his game
dropping off as quickly as Sampras' did after 30, or Edberg's did in his late
20s. The only player who has, as of this moment, surpassed him is Nadal. Murray
and Djokovic have been treading water, del Potro seems to be fragile, and while
Soderling and Berdych have beaten Federer, they're not marching past him in the
rankings anytime soon. There's also no teenager on the horizon who appears
ready to blow the whole thing up. I'd say Federer will win between one and five more
majors. It's hard to be more specific than that, but for the sake of this article, I'll guess that, barring serious
injury, he'll retire with 19 Slams.
Can Nadal get to 19? It's seems unlikely that, at 24, he
has 11 more majors in him. OK, can he get to 16? Federer turned 24 one month after
Wimbledon in 2005. Notice that that tournament represented a peak moment for
him as well; Federer blitzed Andy Roddick in the most one-sided of his
Wimbledon final wins (he would play Nadal in that round for the first time in '06). It's hard to believe, but that was only Federer's fifth major title.
From that point until the beginning of 2008, from ages 24 to 26, he would go on
a serious tear, one that no one had seen since Borg's glory years of '78 to
'80. Federer won seven of nine majors and vaulted into contention
for Sampras' Slam record.
Nadal, who is ahead of Federer's pace by three at the
moment, doesn't need to match that run. Which is a good thing, because it's borderline-unmatchable, even for a normal, clear-cut No. 1. Nadal is virtually
assured of winning more French Opens—I'll say three more; if that seems
conservative for a guy who's lost one match there in his career, it's only because he's made
winning in Paris look easier than it is, and easier than it's going to be even
for him in the future. With the other Slams, it's harder to say. Based on his
past results, which have until now been more up-and-down than dominant,
I'd give him two more each in Australia and at Wimbledon, and two at the U.S.
Open. That brings Nadal to a total of 17. Somehow that number seems high when you put all the Slams together—can the guy really win nine more? It took him five years to win the eight that he has. But individually, 3, 2, 2, 2 sounds reasonable for his future at 24, doesn't it? And like I said, all bars have been raised in this era.
Recurring knee injuries could
make this number much lower; we've always said Nadal's style was hard on him,
and it's already robbed him of potential major titles. But so far it hasn't
sidelined him for an extended period. He keeps getting back up, and I'd expect
this pattern to continue. At the same time, Nadal could be
entering a period of Federer-like, two-Slams-per-season period of dominance,
which would make his career total higher. Whatever his final number, I think it
will be lower than Federer's final number. No matter how young he is, eight is going to be a tough number to erase.
Judging from the past, the one thing we can count on from
Federer and Nadal is that the guy who is being counted out is the guy we need
to watch out for. In July 2010, that guy is Federer. In the race for Grand Slam
supremacy, it's Nadal. If they've taught us anything, it's to look forward to the
@ suzzanne
'Fedrer's last three slams were won in rafa's absence due to a knee injury'??? On which planet? On planet Earth Fedrer won French in 09 when Rafa was destroyed by soderling. Then wimbledon rafa was absent. Then rafa played again at asutralian open in 2010, where he lost to murray at quarters. just like we are used to with rafa, he was down 2 sets to love and received a spanking from murray in the 2nd set TIEBREAK when he suddenly decided it was time sto get 'injured'. and so he retired once again.
so on planet earth, rafa was playing and TRYING HIS BEST in 2 out of the last 3 slams that FEDerer has won! It is just fanatic rafa fans who dont acknowledge the truth.
RogfaNafederal 07/14/2010 at 08:06 PM
First ever post here... and a Great post!
That's exactly how this Rafa fan feels about Fed's greatness. When people say that diminishing your favourite's opponents belittles your favorite, that's what I mean (and very well expressed --I wish SamE could read that post, because now she would understand).
So, as a Rafa fan, am I interested in Roger being considered great? Yes, but that's not the reson I do. I do because I do think he is great! (Sorry for the grammar.)
Totally wrong re meaning of h2h (same surface, time, etc.). You lose credibility not for being harsh, but for saying these things. What you say would be true only if tennis were transitive, i.e. if A>B and B>C implied A>C. But that is absolutely not the case (matchups exist). That's why greatness is measured against the field. I totally agree with Aussiemarg and others that h2h will only matter as a decider when the overall numbers of slams AND OTHER ACHIEVEMENTS are comparable.
Prashant Sharma,
I do think (he later missed Wimby!) that Rafa's knees were bad when Sod beat him, but: a) Even if Rafa had been healthy, if he had a bad day, an on-fire Sod could beat him (although an unlikely possibility imo); b) His knees are part of Rafa's overall tennis virtue-deffect compound, so Sod deserved his win.
Wimby: Rafa absent bc of injury (clearly!).
Match with Murray: was very close, high level, for 2 sets. Rafa could still come back I think. Then Rafa suffered a pull at back of knee (not the usual tendinitis!) and soon retired. He didn't lose the first sets because of it, but also it didn't happen because of the sets! Simply no cause-effect involved in either way.
Don't confuse correlation with cause-effect. Often Rafa loses because of injury, but people interpret that injury comes just in time to excuse his loss. What a coincidence!? No coincidence, injuries do make players lose or retire! A player's legacy includes his injury proclivity and management, so look at his records and stop the gossip!
I wish I could explain at length, but I write painful slow with this device.
Re: how difficult it is to win Masters vs. Slams.
Winning a Masters is 4/9 as hard as winning a slam, times small correction factors.
4/9 bc of number of them per year, with basically all the top field in play and basically trying hard. No matter if 7 or 70 matches must be won: if the top field is there and the game is zero-sum, then 4/9, period.
Most of the correction factor (which is small anyway) is due to format (3or5 sets, every 1or2 days). For 'older' players like Roger it is even prolly easier to play one more set and have a full extra 24h to recover. Recovery is prolly what changes the most with age.
I think Masters should be given more importance when evaluating career achievements. It often looks it's just the slams. I'd propose, as rule of thumb, no.slams + 4/9*no.masters.
BTW, there is one big inconsistency in my rule of thumb, see who gets it!
At 3:00 a.m., Prashant Sharma wrote: ". . . Rafa is always 'injured' when he loses."
Brilliant observation, Prashant.
At this point in his career, Rafa leads Federer 14-7 in overall H2H and 6-2 in H2H in majors.
Prashant, are you suggesting that, were it not for Rafa's injuries, Rafa wouldn't have such pathetic H2H records against Federer?
Prashant, by the way, have you calculated the impact of Rafa's injuries on his margins of victory?
For example, have you determined the impact of the well-documented excruciating hangnails from which Rafa was suffering during the 2008 Roland Garros finals?
During this finals match, Rafa was beat Federer: 6-1, 6-3, 6-0.
Were it not for the abovementioned debilitating injuries, would Rafa have given up any games? Any points?
Prashant, have you calculated the impact of Rafa's injuries on his ATP ranking points?
Currently, Rafa leads Federer by more than 3800 ATP ranking points. Were it not for Rafa's injuries, how wide would this gap be? 7000 points? 10,000 points? A billion?
Please get back to us.
Regarding measurement of career achievements, certain observers argue that Federer's considerable success at the Year End Championships (whatever their monikers are) is not given enough credit.
What weight would you accord to these YECs?
Roger is having some difficulties these days; motivation seems to be a bigger problem than injury. I wonder if Rafa wins the U.S. Open this year and then completes his own version of the Serena Slam (winning Australi in 2011), if it might not stir Roger to put in the extra hours on the court that he's been wasting in Mirka's marketing of him.
Needless to say, after the Murray mugging and Berdych beat down at Wimbledon and the Sod slaughter at the French, Rafa seems on his own mission of putting exclamation points on his wins against would be challengers.
Seeing how he paces himself on the hard courts this Summer and late winter 2011 will be a key factor in guess-timating his potential slam wins. His fans wait with guarded hope that he remains healthy and plays well.
i was being sarcastic when i mentioned nadal's 'injuries'. I hope you got the sarcasm. as far as ATP ranking points go I am surprised at your query. Since Rafa did poorly last year at French, and did not play at wimbledon, he had NO POINTS TO DEFEND. This is the reason why there is such a huge difference between his Roger's points at the moment because Roger had won BOTH the tournaments last year.This is how ATP point system is constructed. Next year if Federer were to win both these tournaments (highly unlikely at 29) he will get a truckload of advantage over Rafa.
Rafa leads Federer in H2H and that is a fact. Whether they mostly play on clay and hardly on asphalt is just a matter of discussion. Cannot take away the H2H.
Similarly, Rafa is a player who never 'actually' loses is also a sad fact. He would rather feign injury and deny the pleasure of victory to an opponent. It was evident he did the same to Murray in Aus open.
so actually Rafa gets 'injured' at will. It is a big weapon for him as philip petchner would vouch.
your posts are intelligent and i give you that. no one dislikes rafa. i dont although i am a huge roger fan. however, when one sees the kind of fanaticism and blind following that some people have for rafa, i am forced to retaliate by facts. how can anyone in their senses call rafa GOAT at this stage of his career? How? By what criteria. There is a long way ahead of Rafa and I wish him all the best. However he still has 8 slams to win. he needs that luck!
ao all Rafa fans like manuelsanatanafan, espanaldo and corrie etc Rafa is great. But he is not Roger. I am sure he can be. He is just not there yet and time will tell us the answer to this question. Till then Roger is the GOAT. Period.
Prashant Sharma
Didn't Rafael lose against Sod in 2009? Or against Del Potro? Or Fed in Madrid? Or against Murray? He's lost plenty of time.
At this year's Wimbledon didn't Petzschner call the trainer too? Didn't Sod call the trainer as well? It's a bit unfair calling Rafael out conveniently forgetting that others get injured and get on-court treatment.
I don't know how much.
It's only once a year, so that makes it valuable. The top full field is not there (8 players that may not be at their best moment of the year is a small sample), but on the other hand you must have qualified, which is prolly about the most difficult part... if you are a year top-8 and are in a good moment, you will have chances (Ferrer did a final there).
So I just don't know (maybe somewhere between Master and Slam?). Likewise Olympic gold (in singles!).
The US Open will be crucial this year in my opinion for both Nadal and Federer. Whomever wins that title will have alot of confidence going into next year's Australian Open. If Federer wins the US Open after being written off than he will be the favorite in Australia. If Nadal wins the US Open and completes the career slam than he could have a chance at 4 in a row coming to Australia. My money is on Federer winning the US Open for # 17. We will see.
Prashant Sharma - He has both lost and won when injured, and both lost and won when fully fit. I imagine that's the case with many other players, too. There are different kinds of injury issues and some have a bigger effect than others, some are easily treatable, and a MTO may help - which is what happened in the PP-RN match in Wimbledon, it was a small muscle problem - it was NOT a knee injury like some here have claimed to discredit it altogether, but he was worried any muscle problem in that area might affect the knee, and it would have been stupid not to take precaucions, he had played a 5-setter the previous match, too, and this was a much longer one, close to 4 hours, plenty of time to start feeling any niggles. He has learned from bitter experience that small niggles can grow into big ones. What he had a year ago was obviously more serious, increasingly painful, and it hampered his movement and shots, and it showed in the match against Söderling - bad movement, short shots - and while he didn't talk about it at the time, he did then skip the whole grass court season to recuperate, unless you missed that.
Of course Söderling was playing well that tournament, but that's another issue. Rafa himself said after the match simply that "He played better than me", which of course was true - it usually is when one wins and another loses. ;) But to say that Rafa wasn't injured at all is silly and hateful, as is the claim that he's "always injured when he loses". He has injury issues and believe it, they're real. Many other players have injury issues, too. And illnesses. It's hardly surprising. it's a tough sport, in many ways tougher than most sports, and anyone can have illnesses, too, viruses, stomach bugs, fever, allergies, and of course they cause problems on court. To say a player's injuries or illnesses are not real because you dislike the player is not very mature.
Posted by Prashant Sharma 07/15/2010 at 08:24 AM: "Rafa is a player who never 'actually' loses is also a sad fact. He would rather feign injury and deny the pleasure of victory to an opponent."
That is an ignorant, misinformed statement. For example, Nadal on his AO loss to Tsonga, "I was playing fine, He played unbelievable. Congratulate him."
Nadal on his USO loss to Blake, "I lost a little bit of confidence about me, I am not playing good this week...There are moments when you don't have the confidence and this is one of those moments."
Or Nadal on his loss to Del Potro at the USO in response to questions about his ab problem, "I'm going to repeat: He played much better than me, and for that reason he beat me,"
The list could go on...it doesn't sound like a player who NEVER acknowledges losing to me.
* Very few rafans call him GOAT. Just Espnanaldo and a couple. Msf certainly not. So don't spill nonsese because others do (even less if they are few). Some fedfans also talk nonsense (I won't give names) and I don't respond with my own nonsense (I try).
* Even if Rafa only lost when injured (which is not true), that would say nothing in his favor. It would say his health is a liability, and health is included in the sport like having a good/bad forehand, serve or fighting spirit.
* You talk like having no points to defend is a gift from heaven, or having points to defend is an unfair punishment for having fairly earned those points. Rafa leads Roger by thousands of points bc he was much, much, much better in the last 52 weeks. Period.
@ jabeau 07/15/2010 at 08:37 AM
"At this year's Wimbledon didn't Petzschner call the trainer too? Didn't Sod call the trainer as well?"
You are correct, they did.
* Petzschner took a medical time-out after the 4th set of the match Petzschner versus Nadal;
* Söderling took a medical time-out after 5-5 in the 4th set of match Söderling versus Nadal. Söderling just sat on his chair, took his shoe off and waited for near 10 minutes for a trainer. After that he took a three-minute-time-out to have his foot re-taped.
"Rafa leads Roger by thousands of points bc he was much much much better in the last 52 weeks"
A bit of an exaggeration don't you think? The last 52 weeks would have included the WTF in London last year when he did not win a set. Prior winning in MC in April Nadal had not won a tournament of any kind for 11 months. A more accurate statement would be that Rafa leads the tour ( not just Federer) bc he cleaned up in the clay season as he usually does and benefited by having no points to defend at Wimbledon so winning the title was a points bonanza for him. Those are the facts, Nadal is rightfully atop the ranking by virtue of his sweep of the clay season and his Wimbledon Title not because of dominating the tour for the past 52 weeks.
For all those people piling on Prashant Sharma, he clearly said his references to Nadals injuries were meant in a sarcastic way to counter the Roger is lucky , no talent cry baby posts that some people ( I hesitate to call them fans) insist on posting.
The ATP seems to agree with you on the status of the YEC. I believe it carries 1500 ranking points for the winner - between a slam and a masters in that respect. I do agree that overall career achievements should factor in not just the majors but masters series as well (and to me, total # of weeks @ #1 is very important), but by that token the YEC should be included as well in the "head count" of tournamnets to take into consideration.
In my view your point about 8 players who may not be at their best at that moment is not particularly relevant as that is the case for every single tournament - its just the nature of sports that not everyone is at their best at the same time, but interested in your perspective on why you felt that was important to note. I may be missing something there?
Wow...just, wow.
antoinette - To your point @ 9:51 I'd also add that Nadal also benefitted by Federer being unable to defend any of his points post AO. Just defending a few SF's here and there would have kept him @ #1 at least until Wimbledon. Of course Rafa would have taken over #1 at the end of Wimbledon anyway, but the differential would have been smaller than it is now.
ok, really got to get some work done now! :)
Simplifying for brevity: If the full top 64 field is there and half are not near their peak, there are still 32 to fill the last 5 rounds. If the top 8 are there and half are not near their peak and you are, you are in semis. If you are really peaking you do final (Ferrer). Or better (Nalbandian won YEC but not slam).
Time for Steve to write another post!! I think everything to be said on the issue has been said here.
hmm...thanks kwaku. I see where you are coming from, but still don't agree. To me, seeding matters in that discussion - It is not as important for the #1 to be at his best against the #20, lets say, at his best - The #1 still finds a way to win (usually). I guess what I'm saying is that imv peaking/being at your best really matters only when players ranked close to each other are playing each other (not always of course, but typically), so the smaller sample size of the YEC as compared to the larger size of the masters or slams is not much of a factor. By the time it is a factor (quarters on typically), the sample size is pretty much the same.
Sorry if my post is confusing - trying to get my thoughts out really quickly!
No exaggeration at all. 3820 points is almost 2 full Grand Slams. Maths don't lie.
And saying "Rafa leads the tour (not just Federer) bc he cleaned up in the clay season as he usually does and benefited by having no points to defend at Wimbledon so winning the title was a points bonanza for him" is wrong at several levels:
* Cleaning up the clay season is doing much, much, much better than Fed. The fact that he did it 'as usual' does not diminish it a bit (rather the opposite).
* Saying "he benefited by having no points to defend" automatically means not understanding why the ATP point system is fair. Read my post to Prasham above. And also the interesting book "The anumerical person", if you want.
* If that was a bonanza, he earned it! Fed did not, and so he gets his due.
Just responding to you r post above only because I added a comment to antoinette's original post: The intention was only to describe the factors leading to Rafa re-taking the #1 and having a pretty sizable lead currently in doing so. No desire/attempt to diminish his accomplishments by any means. Of course he earned where he is now by winning pretty much every single tournament he entered from the start of the clay season except Queens. I only wanted to point out that Federer's inability to defend his own results during that same period contributed to WHEN Nadal got to #1 and also the points differential that exists today. I don't think that can be argued? That does not in any way take anything away from Nadal's accomplishement.
"By the time it is a factor (quarters on typically), the sample size is pretty much the same".
In normal tourneys the quarters are filled with top players and/or red-hot players (as dangerous or more).
In YEC (forget RRobin) 'quarters' is first round including top players near their valleys, who wouldn't have reached quarters in a normal tourney with the full top field there.
I said I simlified, but for me the effect is clear. If it didn't exist, normal tourneys would always have the top-8 in quarters (not even the top 8 seeds!). And the players in QF are always more dangerous than the top-8-in-last-52-weeks. That's why they reached quarters!
You missed my point whether deliberately or not I don't know. My main point of contention was the 52 weeks part of your post. I was not trying to diminish anything that Nadal achieved. I have no problem with the ATP point system. Roger has won and defended points season after season hence the 237 consecutive weeks as #1
of course to your 11:03, there was no need to clarify that ;-)
Thaks Kwaku, and also for clarifying wrt your rationale for the YEC being a factor. I think there's still room for an interesting debate on the effect of the size of the field, but I do see your point, and unfortunately work beckons! :)
As I said, Rafa did much, much, much better than Fed in the last 52 weeks (3820 points exactly, or almost 2 GSlams --you can remove one of the 'much'es if you want). That means the 52 weeks OVERALL.
If your point was that he didn't do much, much, much better than Fed in ALL and every single one of those 52 weeks, then I admit I missed your point.
I just hope that was not the point you wanted to make, because it's ridiculous. (True, but ridiculous.)
In all fairness, I think all antoinette is saying is that if you take the 52-week period between say, Wimbledon 2009 and Wimbledon 2010, Rafa basically surged and overtook Federer in the 3-4 month period starting with Monte Carlo 2010 as opposed to a steady, evenly distributed "overtake" over the last 52 weeks. I don't see it as opposed to what you are saying, and don't find it ridiculous either. Just fact that Nadal did really, really well in the last 3-4 months. Nothing wrong with that, no?
ok, my addition to posting here is really starting to concern me. must-get-back-to-work..must-get-back...
that should be "addiction"..and must-get-back-to-work...must-get-back...
@ TMFuk
Thank you for the clarification as I was not going to bother to respond as I do not engage in debate with people who can't resist the temptation to label differing opinions as ridiculous, puerile etc.
@Kwaku, espanadlo and other rafa fans
there is no end to this debate. is there? i did not like what rafa did at wimbledon to petchner and what he did to murray at australian open. what is wrong in that? dont cite examples like 'soderling also did it'. is rafa comparable to soderling? rafa is rafa. he is not supposed to indulge in this kind of gamesmanship.
anyway as i said, he still has to win 8 more slams. let us see whether he has it in him or not. in any case the next 2 years are going to be very interesting. we will probably see a fading federer with flashes of sudden brilliance. we will also see whther nadal has it in him to beat soderling, berdych & del potro again and again, slam after slam.
maybe after 2 years there will be no need to argue about rafa versus roger eitherways. the matter would be settled. so let us look forward to the tennis guys....cant wait for montreal (roger's cup) to start...
@PRASHANT SHARMA 07/15/2010 at 12:40 PM
**i did not like what rafa did at wimbledon to petchner and what he did to murray at australian open. what is wrong in that?**
Nadal did not do anything to them. You should not have double standards.
What about AO 2010, I refer to the article in ESPN, January 29, 2010:
==Rafael Nadal will miss up to four weeks of competition to recover from a knee injury that forced him to quit in the third set of his Australian Open quarterfinal against Andy Murray.The No. 2-ranked Nadal had his right knee assessed in Spain...MRI and ultrasound tests showed a small TEAR at the back part of Nadal's right knee, which can be treated with physiotherapy and anti-inflammatory treatment, Dr. Angel Ruiz-Cotorro said in the statement... "After two weeks and depending on the results of the different tests and controls, he will steadily resume his sporting activity with a total recovery time to resume competition in fours weeks," Ruiz-Cotorro was quoted as saying.==
umm, antoinette @ 12:12 pm - Just stopping by to say that would be TMFunk, with an 'n'...I'm sure you can see how the loss of that strategically placed 'n' can change the whole complexion of my moniker in wholly undesireable and unintended ways... :)
Oh! Heh. I'm sure antoinette will be (hopefully) be less embarrassed than the lady who typo'd ptenisnet's moniker! ;-)
Typo amnesty!
Oh TMFunk.....oops my bad!! Unfortunately typebad does not allow editing of posts!!. Next time I will double check before I hit post....good thing I did not accidentally type in the other consonant!
No worries :)
"antoinette 07/15/2010 at 12:12 PM
@ TMFuk
Thank you for the clarification as I was not going to bother to respond as I do not engage in debate with people who can't resist the temptation to label differing opinions as ridiculous, puerile etc."
Thank you too for the clarification. After all antoinette was right I had missed her point (if that's what she meant, because that was not what I understand even when I reread her original post).
Expecting Rafa to do much, much better than Roger in every single one of those 52 weeks is indeed ridiculous, but it's enough that you just tell me "of course that's not what I meant!" and you will find very reasonable answers from me.
And in fact, I think you were the first one engaging in a debate with me when you asked if I didn't think I was exaggerating, and then I just answered explaining why I don't think I was exaggerating in the least.
Maybe if we both try again we can engage in meaningful conversations. I do with some fedfans.
@ Kwaku
When I responded to you @ 11:05 am I clearly said that the 52 week part of your post was the part that I had an issue with. That indeed was OTT in my view, you inferred from that that I was requiring Nadal to have been much much much better than Federer for every week of the past 52 weeks I said no such thing. When you then went on to state that my opinion was "ridiculous" I thought it was time to take my marbles and go home.
I have no problem engaging in meaningful conversations with anyone, but I do not like when my comments are (it seems to me) deliberately misrepresented and then help up to ridicule.
For the sake of clarification, I am posting at a different computer, so Antoinette and RTF are one and the same poster
I did not misinterpret anything deliberately.
What is OTT?
What other players do you like? I like Federer, McEnroe, Santoro, Mahut (before marathon!), Llodra, Borg, Dent, Almagro...
My all-time favorites are McEnroe and Nadal.
I forgot Del Potro, Davydenko, and probably others. I like quite a few. And I like to play, though I am bad.
The Nadal-Federer debate can go on and on and on.....
I'd be interested in people's thoughts on:
(1) Which is the greater rivalry: Nadal-Fed or Borg-McEnroe; and
(2) Which is the greatest match of all time: Nadal-Fed Wimbledon 2008 final or Borg-McEnroe 1980 Wimbledon final
When I saw Nadal won the French Open title, I wrote a poem and posted on this website.
When I saw Nadal won Wimbledon, I intended to write a poem to congratulate him and sent it to www.wimbledon.org because I saw the poet in residence of this organization wrote very scrapy poems. I did not do that because with the way Nadal played and served I believe that he will win this year's US Open title. So I will wait for this result and if Nadal win the US open title this year, I will write a poem to congratulate him and send it to his website. The probability density function for winning the US open title this year is
- Nadal : 0.6
- Federer : 0.25
- Other major contenders (Murray, Roddick, Soderling, Berdych, Djockovic, Davidenko): 0.15.
Anyone want to bet?
You are a straddler; a waffler maybe too strong a word. No shame in it but hardly admirable. At the attempt of trying to be "popular" to both sides, you lose a spine.
But a word of caution. The moniker of GOAT presumes an overall domination of the field, particulary your main rival. Thus, you cannot invoke that stupid "Goatness", if Roger is being pommeled by RAFA 14-7! and by Murray and all others in major contention at Slams in a lopsided ratio.
The same could not be said of Rafa. What Davy at 5-4 H2H? Wooopteedo? Break out the Champagne!!! That is basically a tie. Now, a Sampras/Agassi of 20-14 and Rafa/Roger of 14-7 that is entirely a whoppin', considering the level of tennis they play.
By the way, 1-0 is a stupid H2H, as the other person had no chance to fight back. That is why the revenge win by Rafa over Roger at the Madrid Open is very significant. Or, the dismantling of Soderling by Rafa at the French Finals, which validates the fluke win because of injury.
Get off the GOAT issue. No such thing. It is just for suckers.
Thus, there is no hands down. And there will always be debate. 14-7 is the biggest elephant in the room that rogerlings would like to ignore and deny.
And, when Rafa gets 16 even 14 GS, that hands down debate of yours will make you look even sillier, just like every other Roger wannabe.
John P,
The Borg-McEnroe rivalry was great because of playstyle overall (more net play than nowadays), contrasting playstyles, contrasting personalities, and overall greatness of both. McEnroe's genius at net was always surprising. I was able to appreciate it even as a child. But it ended too soon (Borg 'should' have continued).
But overall I prefer the Fedal one for personal reasons irrelevant to others (as an adult I am more aware of everything, and Nadal being my countryman prolly counts even if it shouldn't) but also because contrasting styles and matchup almost produces paradox (h2h heavily against goat) and because Nadal won't quit at 26 (I'm sure).
Excellent points on the overlooked Masters series. No day off and just as hard as Slams.
And yet, Rafa accomplished a lot more and faster than Roger can hope for. 18 and counting,
"The moniker of GOAT presumes an overall domination of the field"
No. It means and presumes greatest of all who have ever lived. I a world where all players won between 40% and 60% of matches and everybody has one nemesis against whom he is 0-20, one player winning 90% and being 'only' 7-14 against his nemesis is a worthy goat.
As we say in Spain, "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed is the king". (And a very worthy king, by the way!)
I'm curious to see if you understand this, agree (logical consequence of understanding) and, very specially, if you modify the content of your future posts accordingly.
Prashant Sharma,
I can say the same thing about Roger's bogus MONO and lung infection or long bathroom breaks, each time he loses.
Exception: 08 Roland Garros. It was a blowout, a trashing in fact, that Roger just was stunned to even think or manufacture an excuse.
I'm quite close to you: I'd give Nadal 51%, Federer=Murray 25%/2 and the rest 24%.
But Rafa needs no more than 51% to win, so...
I also made that point of difficulty of Masters, with some attempt at quantification included.
Unfortunately, you are getting waku.
Knowing a saying or quotation does not presume knowledge of how to apply it. Sorry.
What good is it of being called the greatest when all you are defeating are not even high caliber players of the order like Nadal. Just hollow argument.
Again, it is like being a big fish in a small pond, but when that supposed big fish is thrown into a big lake with a player like Nadal, the fish becomes pathetically small with a 14-7. So, how great is great? It is all relative until you set the bar high. Sorry to say, versus Rafa, Roger is having a hard time even clearing that bar. In Grand Slams, a pitiful 2-6.
GOAT? Well, you can goat my cheese with that!
If this does not make sense to you, nothing will.
My claim "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed is the king" is irrefutable.
You are changing topic, i.e. trying to refute something else. Maybe I waku (I don't know what that means), but I notice the movement.
For your 'new' claim my answer is partly already written, i.e. my post yesterday about transitivity and matchups. See also Tignor's reflection on ATP.no.500 vs. Tilden in his latest post.
I love those three players - Roddick, Safin, Hewitt. Roddick because he is an American and he just lays out there everytime during press interviews after matches. Honestly, I look forward to them just like Safin's or Medvedev's. They are quick at wit and boy, no holds barred retorts. Very funny, very raw and very right on.
Unfortunately, Roddick is one dimensional even though he is making every attempt to be a more well rounded player. His serve is phenomenal. But just like Ivo, that will only get you so far. Confirmation of serving prowess? One Slam. Frankly, he needs more mental toughness in tight situations. Instead, he "touches" his package, way too much, has too many adjustment antics of the shirt, the cap, the shoulder, etc. And of all the players, he just sweats the most!!!. Yes, change those shirts as often. Hopefully that will do the trick but then, he does not follow through even with this simple change. He should have gazillion free shirts from sponsors. Use it!
Safin to me is the most talented of all players but sad to say, he is LAZY. He is just magic when the ball is right up his alley. But if he has to stretch and run like rabbit, forget it. He simply will not do it! In my estimation, I think he feels it is beneath him as a player to be scampering around like a Nadal or Chang. Well, too bad. Confirmation? Two Slams, right?
Hewitt is 5'11", tall by most standards but the field is getting bigger. And hip surgery. Ouch. He is a better version of Chang but sad to say just defense in the backboard can only do you so much. Confirmation? Two Slams.
Roger is lucky because he burst into the scene when the competition is relatively weak, being depleted of great talents in Sampras, Agassi and then succeeded by the aforementioned three. Thus, creating this perceived air of invincibility ...
Until Rafa came along and ... made him cry.
I think there is a methodology and deliberate strategy to Nadal's play.
First, master Clay, then grass, then concentrate on Olympics since it only comes once in 4 years, then start making defense to offense transition, go to the net more which means I foresee, that he will eventually master serve and volley at US Open, transition from clay to grass and finally grass to hardcourt.
But the mental fortitude is one ingredient that makes him stand tall above all the rest. You can teach it but it is innately Rafa.
And the most stupid comment on the message board title goes to espanaldo....'Roger is lucky' well well...how luck can make you win 16 slams and almost 60 ATP titles....
Espanaldo, we all have our liking and disliking. However such blind fanaticism and discounting the unmatched greatness of a class player is unbecoming of a tennis fan. worship rafa if you want to, but show at least a semblance of understanding the sport.
And the most stupid comment on the message board title goes to Prashant Sharma.
Or, simply put. Ditto.
The transitive argument does not work when comparing only TWO players.
An argument is only as good as the assumption.
Clear as day?
I liked your 4:25.
I disagree with some things (Roger is not just lucy, etc.) but one of your nicest posts. I mean, many fair points, agree or not.
I also love Roddick's pressers ;-) My favorite was when he said re Fed: "I knew the stats were in my favor. Nobody has ever beaten me 13 times in a row."
goat is not about comparing 2, but all.
I really gotta go. Back in maybe 7 hours.
Re: espnalanaldo at 03:26 AM
Thank you for the kind words! If Rafa plays as aggressively as you argue, he is a lock for this years USO.
As for a few specific comments, "Get off the GOAT issue. No such thing. It is just for suckers." I wonder if you will be saying the same thing if Rafa passes Roger at 17 or better? When Nadal fans scream GOAT will you be there to calm the hype?
But your main contentions against any Consideration of Fed as GOAT seems to be the Nadal H2H. You refer to it as the elephant in the room. It matters, it does. It's a blemish that some Fed fans dimiss too lightly. BUT...as some others have effectively stated it can't be considered primary. Match-ups matter in all sports. this match-up has always had advantages for Nadal. Specifically, the Nadal lefty top spin forehand going to the FED one handed backhand. While especially effective on clay, it has proved itself on other surfaces as well. Nadal's topspin is unmatchable - no other player could damage Fed off that wing the way Nadal has. While always a real weapon, that same shot does less comparative damage to two-handed backhands. Nadal's poor record against Djokovic on hard courts is partially explained by this.
As much as I'd like to think otherwise, Nadal has not (as of yet) been good enough to get through the field to take advantage of that match-up advantage often on hard courts. Fed has done his part in making the final at the USO six consecutive times and the final at AO five times. Nadal has made only one of those finals, beating Fed at the AO in '09. Fed didn't beat his rival (Nadal) but instead beat men who bested Rafa earlier.
Fed's greatness is slightly diminished by the H2H. It's an interesting dynamic. Prior to RG & SW19 in '09, it was reasonable fodder for those that might argue Sampras, Laver, etc. But now, his OVERALL accomplishments make the H2H moot.
However, if Nadal continues to win GS's, the H2H will matter ALOT. His dominance on clay will also come into play then as well. Once he gets to 13 or so GS titles, I will be happily bringing up the H2H with Roger - it will then truly be an elephant in the room.
Until then, I reasonably concede Roger is the best tennis player to have held a racket.
So let me get this straight all Nadal has to do is get within touching distance of the GS record currently held by Federer, and he can be considered greater than Federer because of the h2h? Boy I wish Roger had known that , he could have tanked in the semis of all those clay court finals in order to make sure to keep the h2h respectable. But consummate professional that he is and because of his overall excellence , he routinely made it to the finals of Monte Carlo, Rome, Hamburg, the French Open and latterley Madrid where the clay master, mastered him as well as everybody else for the most part. And lo and behold his excellence on clay is now a rod for his back and some people want to use it to downplay and downgrade his achievements in favor of his "nemesis". Strange reasoning.
So lesson for all future goat contenders, please note that if you have a nemesis make sure that if you are due to meet him/her in the next round, TANK THE MATCH!!, must keep that h2h respectable as you know it will become the most important factor in evaluating your career. Never mind if you hold records in tennis that your nemesis will never match, never mind that you have dominated the entire field for longer and more throughly than any other, the only thing that will matter is the h2h, so whatever you have to do KEEP THAT H2H RESPECTABLE!
@ RogfaNafederal 07/16/2010 at 08:03 AM
** Fed has done his part in making the final at the USO six consecutive times and the final at AO five times. Nadal has made only one of those finals, beating Fed at the AO in '09**
Comparing them at the same age - 24 years and near 1 month- there is no big difference between them:
USO: 2 wins, no more finals, no semifinals; AO: 1 win, no more finals, 1 SF;
USO: 2 SF; AO: 1 W, no more finals, 1 SF.
Nadal is 5 years younger and he has a lot of time to catch up with Federer.
Juliana 07
Nadal maybe 5 years' younger than Fed, but he has only been on the Tour for 3 years' less than Fed. It is not really fair in a sporting sense to compare Roger and Rafa at the same age. Currently, Rafa has now been on the Tour for 9 years; Roger, at 24, had only been on the Tour for 7 years - surely, (if you are comparing ages) that means that Rafa has had 2 more years, since he first played professionally, to win matches, no? If you really do wish to compare them, why not try comparing with years on Tour, ie, 9 tour years at 24 and 26 years old, respectively. Actual age is irrelevant, imo - every player matures differently, which is why, personally, I think that "tour age" is a better timeline.
Singing again: "This is the thread that never ends...it just goes on and on my friends..."
I'm completely convinced now that there are very few truly objective fans of Rafa or Roger. We're all going to see it somewhat through the prism of our fanship.
I hope the objectivity does come down the road, though. I think it will take quite a while, though. Even a lot of the sportswriters right now are (sorry, Steve) biased, in my view.
So, some new blood, some distance, some perspective after the Fedal era is over...and we gonna see. ;-)
"I'm completely convinced now that there are very few truly objective fans of Rafa or Roger" - Ah, but Tari, you may be mistaking non-existence of evidence to mean evidence of non-existence. :) In other words, "objective" fans (is that an oxymoron?) have probably long since moved on from this post... :)
Hahaha. Good point, TMFunk!
@Puffin 07/16/2010 at 11:40 AM
**Nadal maybe 5 years' younger than Fed, but he has only been on the Tour for 3 years' less than Fed. It is not really fair in a sporting sense to compare Roger and Rafa at the same age. If you really do wish to compare them, why not try comparing with years on Tour**
Nadal turned pro in 2001, he was then only 15 (!) years old - almost a child. It is not fair to compare a child with an grown-up man!
To be fair, with 5 years (almost a different generation in tennis years) difference between them, the age of the two players should be considered consistently throughout the comparison. Maybe not so much when Roger was at his peak, but for the rest of their coexistence on tour, I would think.
I wonder how many number one players had a major rival 5 years younger for so long during their career? Pretty remarkable that Roger held Nadal off for number one and continued to win the slams at the pace that he did, really. I think this will be viewed in a much kinder way toward Roger when it's all sorted out.
Damn. I'm still here. :)
TMFunk intervention needed.
@Puffin 07/16/2010 at 11:40 AM
(I continue my post of 07/16/2010 at 01:09 PM)
According the rules of ATP, players under the age of 16 are not allowed to play as many matches as adults.
From ATP WORLD TOUR - RULEBOOK:
7.02 Entries
A.Gender / Age Limitation
...Players under the age of sixteen (16) are subject to the following entry
restrictions in ATP World Tour or ATP Challenger Tour tournaments (includes entry as
a wildcard):
3) Male players aged fifteen (15) shall be eligible for entry into a maximum of twelve
(12) ATP World Tour and ATP Challenger Tour tournaments.
So you people think
that the horse is dead?
The horse is just good!
You think of the thread
as Isner-Mahut! :-)
Don't get ahead of yourselves.
In the future, Rafa may or may not do merits (not just slams) against the field comparable to Roger's.
Until then, the consensus seems to be he's goat. (I know there's also the nonsensus, but never mind it).
And if Rafa gets there, we will have time to discuss the significance of h2h as tiebreaker.
I personally don't care much. I am enjoying every achievement of Rafa, and if he gets there the way will have already been pure joy in itself.
I think Fedfans know what I'm taking about.
Years ago, when Roger was younger and Rafa's game was "raw" and more focused to clay, I would have given the edge decidedly to Roger in winning against Rafa on other than clay surfaces. But while Roger continued to reach clay court finals, Rafa was unable to do the same on hard courts. So Roger didn't have the opportunity to increase his winning percentage against his great rival. Rafa's pure excellence, with some beginning tinkering of his game, helped propel him to the later stages of grass tournaments but not to the late season hard courts. And whether or not it's politically correct or proper tennis etiquette, Rafa's foot injury and painful knees play(ed) a part in his inability to compete in many full seasons. I only remember Rafa being able to compete at three year-end championships -2006, 2007, 2009- playing magnificently in the two semi-finals he lost to Roger.
Now, Roger is "the old guy" on the tour, with a body that is starting to show it's age from the wear and tear of the number of matches he's played corresponding to how deeply he's gone into many tournaments year after year. Now that he's older, scheduling and recovery time will be essential to the possibility of his winning. At the same time, his fitness going into a tournament must be running on all cylinders or winning isn't even a possibility.
Rafa, on the other hand, is at the peak of his career AND he has adjusted his game to hopefully win more on hard courts. He has always been a complete player but he continually took steps to tweak his game in order to compete more productively on surfaces other than clay. He's also adjusted his tournament and practice schedules to accommodate his physical needs. Hopefully, this will serve him in good stead as he moves into the hard court season and the later years of his career.
I don't hold much hope in Roger being able to defeat Rafa as much as my personal desire would like it to happen. I'm completely open to be proven wrong. ;)) Roger is 5 years older than the current "peak-Rafa" and even without the age difference, the lefty/righty, two-hand/one-handed backhand, and extreme topspin was always a match-up problem. Since Roger reigned for almost 5 years, maybe it's just time that Rafa, in his number one position in the sport, romp over everyone like Roger did. ;))
I don't have a crystal ball and my ouija board won't answer my pleas so it's left up to the good play of the players themselves and the tennis fates as to what the future holds. I may prefer Roger to win but there is no denying I love watching both these guys (along with many others); I just really don't want them to play each other anymore.
One thing I've often mused about is that it never ceases to amaze me to see the effort and toll it's taken on various players (Rafa, DavyD, JuanM to name a few) to compete at the level that Roger did. He did it for 4 ½ years. How did he do it, to dominate day in and day out, month after month, year after year? The other guys put a push on and within a certain period of time their participation in the sport is halted and they're out with injuries. Not having any answers, I can only guess - his style of play, his joy of the sport-its history and place in the world of sport, his pure happiness in being able to play the game he loves, and, of course, having fun winning - all play a part. As some have commented, it will be interesting to see how he responds if losing becomes the more dominant theme.
When Rafa gets more Slams or even close to Roger's 16, only means he is better than Roger.
I am not one of those jumping on the bandwagon of "GOAT"ness. It was a manufactured appellation designed to titillate the unsuspecting tennis fan to buy more Roger starred Nikes or whatever or buy Netjets (wow, how about that!)
It was funny that Netjets was so gung-ho in their ad of Roger, pulling his cache of trophies in a kiddy cart and no sooner reverted to a more traditional ad, (no mention or picture of Roger) as soon as Berdych kicked Roger's behind from Wimby to Corsica. It is like Roddick's American Express losing his MOJO all over again. Very funny but I can imagine, no amount of advertising money, can ease the pain of such a critical defeat. But, hey they got paid up-front, right?
There is no such thing as GOAT ... as there will always be a talent waiting in the wings to excite us all over again.
2050 perhaps? Too bad most of us will not be able to enjoy it then.
Cryogenics, anyone?
Your argument is laughable, indeed. (Darn, I getting suckered in this site much longer than I wanted to on a Friday night) Grrrr!
So, let me be brief. (weird sentence, but hey ...)
Laver has 11 Slams, definitely much less than Roger's 16, and yet a lot of tennis experts, including Sampras still are in awe of Laver's accomplishments. Laver is just being polite to defer to Roger as "great" since it will be too gauche for him to stick to Roger, "can you do Calendar Slam twice?"
There. Digest that so-called Quantity advantage over definitive Quality achievement.
Take as long as you can.
@sisu 07/16/2010 at 05:36 PM
**But while Roger continued to reach clay court finals, Rafa was unable to do the same on hard courts**
Federer reached FO (clay) final for the first time in 2006, he was then near 25 years old.
Nadal reached AO (hardcourt) final for the first time in 2009, he was then near 23 years old.
If the next time Rafa reaches hard-court GS finals, is AO 2012 (!), he would be at the same level with clay-Federer.
To Rafa fans juliana, espanaldo etc
just because you scream harder doesnt mean you are right. Roger has done it! Rafa still has to do it! cant you see the BIG difference?
JUliana..no point thinking what would happen. Something which hasnt happened as yet is a matter of speculation. Only if one could predict the future by looking at the past! so if roger did xyz by age 25 doesnt mean rafa will do the same as well.
by the way after 25 Roger really launched into these slams. I think he won 6 of the next 8? My point is Rafa still has to win 8 more considering Federer doesnt win any more slams. That is a lot. No?
@Prashant Sharma 07/17/2010 at 02:24 AM
**you scream harder...by the way after 25 Roger really launched into these slams**
Screamily strange that some people blame Nadal for not achieving by now the same that Federer achieved after the age of 25. Nadal will be 25 in June next year.
@ juliana
sorry couldnt get what you meant! must be my limited mental faculties.
all i was saying was that rafa still has to win. just because he is young doesnt mean he will win. injuries, form slump are just two of many things that hamper a tennis player. so dont bet on the future. dont assume. take it as it comes.
federer fans can gloat as he has been there & done that already.
however, rafa can do it. there is no doubt in my mind about 'can'. however will he do it? entireley different story...
@Prashant Sharma 07/17/2010 at 03:56 AM
I kept, for example, in view a statement: **But while Roger continued to reach clay court finals, Rafa was unable to do the same on hard courts** (see my post of 07/17/2010 at 12:42 AM).
Kwaku @ 7/16, 4:14 pm: You are absolutely right!!! This post IS the Isner-Mahut of blogs. It just keeps going on and on and on...I just can't resist the temptation of coming back for a peek just to see if it is still going... What's the record for longest "living" post? :)
Juliana07 @07/16/2010 at 01:09 PM
"Nadal turned pro in 2001, he was then only 15 (!) years old - almost a child. It is not fair to compare a child with an grown-up man!"
I'm sorry, but Nadal at 15 was hardly 'almost a child', just as Fed at 17 should not be considered 'a grown-up man' - they are both teenagers, with Rafa physically maturing much earlier than Fed and in fact a lot of the other players (ie, Rafa's 15 equals at least 17/18 in some other young players). Rafa was certainly deemed, by the authorities, to be mature/old enough to join the men's Tour at 15 (child or not!), otherwise he would have waited until the more usual age of 17, wouldn't he? And as you pointed out, even though he was only able to play a max of 12 tournaments during his first year on the men's Tour, he would still have gained valuable experience in playing with the "bigger" boys at an earlier age.
Here is the flaw in your reasoning. What makes you think that Rafa cannot do what Roger has done in getting more slams at age 25-27? What makes you think that Rafa cannot improve his skills further?
I will give you some time to reflect on that one.
If, at all, based on prior history of Nadal, of achieving milestones faster than Roger at the same age --- Olympics, Clay Slam, not losing a set twice in CLAY titles, more 1000 Masters, the best record of any surface at 81, roger a measly and distant second at what 63(?), of doing a Clay-Grass double where all the top stars are in contention, (as opposed to injury defaults), first to hold, clay grass and hardcourt consecutively, etc.
Your argument also subcribes and holds to that DEBUNKED presumption that Rafa is just a "claycourter". He is not. And you further assume, as most Rogerlings do, that Rafa's play is static just like Roger's. It is not. Rafa has certainly proven that is the best problem solver in the tennis courts, adjusts his game accordingly in the big points, and in the right moments. I have an inkling that Rafa will premiere his serve and volley into taking the US Open trophy.
And everydody will just say ... WTF? Ok, I am getting ahead of myself.
Lastly, what makes you think that Roger will keeep on winning forever? I know that you are blind in your adoration because aging has crept up with your senses as well. Winning Slams or other titles is not a continuous, linear function. It becomes geometric at ages 23-28, give or take, then logarithmically tapers down. Which means a disproportionate number of slams will occur at that range of ages. It could very well be that Rafa may get 3 this year, very possibly 4 next year for the Grand Grand Calendar Slam, then 3, then 3, then 1, then 1. Or, a lucky 21!
OK, that is the upside but I submit to you, very DO-ABLE.
On the other hand, once Roger starts losing and losing in the earlier rounds to lower and lower ranked players, I bet you once he gets another one, if at all, he will retire.
Such is the cycle to life.
By the way, I feel obliged to explain the Rogerling and Federling references.
You see, in other related sports sites, like Bleacher Report or ESPN Conversations, there is a bunch of FED KADs who declared unequivocally that Rafa's injuries in 2009 is the end for him and that if at all he recovers, the "BIG guys" like Tsonga, Murray, Berdych and especially SODERling will just eat him alive with flat booming forehands. They were so elated at the prospect of ensuring Slams for Roger by supporting and hyping those so-called Soderling players to take out Nadal everytime.
The classic example was the 2009 Soderling win over Nadal at FO. What a fluke! as Rafa was clearly injured. Then, at every turn of potential matchups of Rafa with the "big guys", what did a HEALTHY Rafa do?
Those FED KADs kept on harping that those big guys will take Rafa to the woodshed for a good, old-fashioned beating. What did Rafa do to those booming forehands? He just blunted and shunted all of them. Take it long, turn defense to offense and finish with his classic top spinned ( and still spinning) forehand. Game, set, match, Slam - RAFA.
Or, to highlight the cruel ironic twist to it --- the very players that Roger fans want to take out Rafa for Roger to have a "smooth ride" into the Slams, became the same ones that skeddadled Roger --- Berdych in Miami and Wimby, Soderling in Roland Garros. Just SWEET JUSTICE!!! And sweet revenge. Thus, the Roger-Soderling connection. Or, RogerLING!
Murray? no prayer. Tsonga, AO fluke as well. now, with all sorts of injuries, no prayer, either.
In fact, Rafa defeated Soderling in two sets at the early 2010 non-ATP event, in spite of the earlier 2009 FO loss. Then, beat Soderling again, rather lopsidedly, at the FO rematch and again at Wimby.
So, the FederLING also got stuck.
Closure??? RE: espnalanaldo 07/17/2010 at 12:13 AM, Ok, I can understand your unwillingness to deal with GOAT concepts. I don't think it is commericially manufactured title however. Similar discussion happened as Michael Jordan apexed. Perhaps it's a USA thing. Fair enough...no goat for you.
You also make some GREAT points in your later posts. Most reasonable folk here aren't suggesting Rafa can't continue to win in a big way. I certainly expect him to continue to impress.
I hope Rafa continues to handle the big guys on hard courts as he has recently on clay and grass. If he stays healthy I suspect he will. time will tell.
I am not as gaga-driven to MJ now as GOAT since Kobe is a bigger "GOAT" now. Jordan has six rings and Kobe has to collect more. But then again, NBA is team sports vs. individual tennis.
We were all in AWE of Jordan then. But lo and behold, and fortunately along came Kobe.
To stir the pot even more, Le Bron is nothing, Goat-less so far (inspite or despite what other people say). Like a Murray, with no Slam or ring to show for yet.
But what is the basic refrain of these hyped-up, media driven concept? Ultimately, to sell more jerseys and ad spots and sport magazines and ... you get the idea.
i would refrain from commenting on your mental capabilities brother. That would be personal. However, I would say one thing. On what basis you are SURE that rafa would break the slam record held by Roger? This is just the opposite of the question you asked me...The point which I have been trying to make is WE DONT KNOW!!!
Is it so difficult to understand? Hence start making this idiotic GOAT claims AFTER Rafa has own these 8 slams. What part of this argument you dont get?
Enlighten everyone.
and clearly logicla thinking is not your strong suite. Hence you are pretty convinced about WHAT WILL HAPPEN (according to you). Which means 4 slams for Rafa next year...3 after that...cmon ....i mean cmon...other guys also have racqets in their hands...or are they playing with sticks these days..
is this sounding a bit too much to me or are there other people who think this kind of ;OCTOPUS PAUL predictions by espanaldo are just too much..definitely beyond the scope of this message board :)
and i am out of here. We are not arguing about tennis anymore..this is going beyond that and into the realm of absurd...hopefully catch everyone again after the last Big One of the calender..All the best to the US Open King federer..(5 out of 6 does make him that) and best of luck to all the contenders...INCLUDING RAFA!
Man oh man.
There is no such thing a GOAT, before Roger, during Roger, during Rafa, after Rafa.
No GOAT. That simple.
A simpler comparison is: Rafa better than Roger? Just two players. Contain the variables.
What do you think I'd say?
"Contain the variables."
Things as simple as possible is intelligent.
Things simpler than possible is not.
In h2h terms, A>B>C does not mean A>C. That's why greatness is measured against the field.
Roger is better than Rafa until Rafa makes comparable achievements against the field. (Here is hoping he will.) Then, the h2h could be a reasonable tiebreaker.
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DUO MKII features all the tools you need to control Serato DJ. Eight RGB backlit performance pads are provided for triggering cue points, loops, rolls, and samplers. The RGB pads fully integrate with Serato to provide corresponding color feedback. There is one central push-encoder for track browsing and selection, two push-encoders for looping, and two push-encoders for effects controls with beat buttons to select the speed of the effects. Mixars DUO MKII is Serato DVS enabled out of the box.
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The new Mixars Galileo Essential crossfader was designed and built for scratching. It delivers super sharp performance, and includes reverse, curve adjustment, as well as cut-in adjustment on the front panel. The fader stem is 8mm thick to prevent breaking off from extensive scratching, and the fader cap is sloped for a better grip. The Galileo Essential also offers amazing strength and durability by using cutting edge conductive plastic technology, which will not wear over time.
Curve adjustment and reverse for the input faders are also located on the front panel. Each channel also features trim control, a full 3-band EQ (kill/+12db), plus an analog low/high-pass filter.
The output section includes an XLR master output, TRS balanced booth output, and RCA Rec out. DUO features a built-in, universal power supply. Each input channel includes a line input and a switchable phono/line input with ground post. A built-in USB hub provides 2 additional connections for other USB devices such as MIDI controllers or hard drives. A combo mic input and RCA Aux in are located on the front panel for easy access.
Solena DJ Turntable Road Case with Ball Corners
The Solena Professional turntable road case is specifically made to transport and protect your DJ turntable. Your turntable will fit securely in the foam lined interior and the heavy duty aluminum ball corners protect your gear from the rigors of the road. The case can be carried using the spring-loaded handle.
Odyssey Flight Zone 10" DJ Mixer Road Case
Transport your 10" mixer in style with their foam-lined Flight Zone mixer case. Convenient front panel provides full protection during transit but slides out for access to front mixer controls during use. For additional mixer elevation, you can use the lid as a stacking base, very convenient when using those lower tables or for taller DJs. The FZ10MIXDAI also features easy access to the front controls of your mixer with Odyssey's V-Cut removable front angled panel design.