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Kia Spectra Prices Paid and Buying Experience
Hi everyone. Please use the following discussion to post any questions that you have about leasing a Hyundai Kia Spectra. Thanks.
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smulvey Posts: 139dear carman- as far as I know , Kia Financial does not offer leases on the cars at all , at this time. At least in New York State. A problem with a Kia Lease is , like all leases, it is based on the residual value of the car. Presently , Kia does not want to get stuck like Mitsubishi did by selling or leasing a bunch of cars to crummy people that beat them to heck and then welch on the payments. Mitsubishi lost an amazing amount of money after the initial sales thrust they got going with the first " Fast and the Furious" movie. They lost over $ 4 BILLION dollars on bad loans/ leases.
If the value of a used KIA ever amounts to something then leasing may become a possibility. right now the cars are still too new to the used car industry to command any predicable resale value.
I have two Kias and am happy with them . But I know if I want to sell my 2002 Spectra I won't get much for it. But if I had bought a Honda Civic it would worth the value of Gold.
There is the rub with leasing a newer brand opf car.0
tmport Posts: 19I bought a new 2006 Specta5 today, Spark Blue w/ ABS and sunroof, MSRP $18,675. It was a "demonstrator" model w/ 447 miles on the odometer.
I paid $13,250 plus tax/tags/title, for $14,322 out the door. I live in Washington, DC.0
brunojoe Posts: 22any ides on price for this model OTD? thanks bruno0
docbillnet Posts: 2We were ready to purchase the KIA here in Hamilton. The dealer gave us a turnkey quote of $22767.60 for the 2007 LT Convenience Automatic with 0% financing. I did research, and thought this was a pretty good deal, as this corresponds to about $1600 discount. We were going to finalize the deal today, but I notice of the three payment plans was $379 per month for 60 months + a $3000 deposit. But that totaled $25767.60.
When we asked about it, we were told she made a mistake, and the correct turnkey price was $25558.62. And that was computed from a vehicle price of $20020. I did the math, and figured out, somewhere there was an extra $700 fee they did not tell us about, and there quote was $1600 more than what the kia.ca website computes after I add the 14% tax. So we politely said no thanks and bought a 2008 Toyota Matrix instead. In the end we paid about a thousand dollars more for the Toyota Matrix due to financing costs, but the car hold is value better, and it is a 2008 not a 2007.
I just don't get it. The KIA is clearly a lower quality vehicle, with nearly twice the cost of routine maintenance. Why would someone pay so much for it? And why can't they even give quotes were all the numbers add up correctly? And do they think we are idiots enough to believe the Canadian version gets 46 MPG, when the US version gets 30 MPG?
The local Kia Dealership is offering $11k off of all Kia models.
Resulting prices:
Sedona - $15,775
Rondo - $11,775
Optima - $10,775
Sorento - $12,775
Spectra Sedan- $7,775
Rio Sedan - $6,775
These are all new 2007 models.
(You knew that had to be coming :P )
When I went to the dealership (without ad in hand, wanted to test them for honesty and how forthright they might be.
They did mention the $11k discount, but told me that it was only available on the vans and SUVs and only on the models that were fully loaded, resulting in a final price on the Van for example of about $23k.
The discount included a $1500 rebate and $3k in customer loyalty stuff.
When I tried to get the specifics from the dealer (when I asked about their ads) I was told that the cars did not have air conditioners. The detailed explanation was that the cars were made for the North and shipped down here to North Carolina.
Rebuttal to bad line
1. I'm from Illinois and it gets as hot in Illinois as it does in North Carolina. Air Conditioners are just as essential there as they are here in North Carolina, now maybe a car without airconditioning might sell in Alaska, but I doubt even then that a small little Kia would drive well in the snow.
2. They pointedly showed me the small little air conditioner in the other cars. The air conditioner is smaller than a small can of folgiers coffee (like about the girth of a 1 liter bottle of water, but a little shorter). I sincerely doubt that a small air conditioner like that is really worth $3.5k ($16k normal price - less $4500 in discounts = $11.5k - $8k selling price is $3.5k for an air conditioner.)
That's one hell of an air conditioner!
On a separate note, if they advertise a Kia new for $7-8k, that cannot be good for the resale value of used cars of the same make and model.0
csandste Posts: 1,866Optima owner just passing through.
I bought a Kia rather than a Sonata because of similar crap from the local Hyundai dealer.
The sad fact is that Kia and Hyundai both have more than a normal share of sleazy dealers. Sad, although the snottiness of many top tier (Toyota, Honda) Japanese dealers is almost as disconcerting.0
You hit the nail on the head regarding the snottiness factor of many of the Japanese dealerships.
I had a Honda sales guy tell me that he didn't want to sell me a Prelude for MSRP, because his manager was thinking about selling at auction the next day, where they typically sold for $3k over MSRP.
My response, go right ahead, and by the way, why do you have a dealership at all, if you can sell cars for $3k over MSRP at auction?
I've never been back to a Honda dealer since(had other stupid run ins before that).
I've had better luck at Toyota dealerships, but that could be a fluke.
Now, when it comes to Mitsubishi dealerships, (I like Mitsubishi cars in general), I've never found a Mitsubishi dealership that didn't literally break the law (seriously) at least once during my visit.
I've been to Mitsubishi dealerships in 3 states to buy cars (because I like their cars and I keep thinking they can't all be crooks), I am seriously disappointed everytime I go there.
Funny thing is Mitsubishi took almost a half billion hit a few years back due to their bad vehicle loans, partly related to their predatory lending practices. Those lending practices may work for the mafia, but they don't work long term for car sales.0
For what its worth, 3 days after my visit, the local paper is now running the same add with prices adjusted down by $1000 (total discount of $12k instead of $11k).
So those numbers I quoted above are now $1k lower. Hope no one is trying to sell one of these cars used!0
jmharn Posts: 1A dealer is ready to offer me $14.5K for Spectra EX. That is after $1500 rebates.
After reading the other forums like the Spectra5 prices, is this a good deal? I have a hunch that it will not be.
Can someone share how much they pay for their 2007 SPectra EX or SX?0
I've been hunting and hunting for a 2007 Spectra LX with the convenience package and automatic. I've contacted at least 6 dealers, and the best price I can get is $18,861.30 (CAN) inclusive of fees and taxes. This includes the trade of my 1998 Toyota Corolla with 140000 km. I can't believe some of the prices I've seen posted in this and other forums. Even with the exchange rate, US buyers are getting amazing deals! The reason I am looking now is due to the great financing on offer. I really like the Kia and will likely take the plunge tomorrow. If any Canadians are reading, let me know how badly I'm getting ripped off!
Sorry, I posted this in the wrong area originally.
I've been hunting and hunting for a 2007 Spectra LX with the convenience package and automatic. I've contacted at least 6 dealers, and the best price I can get is $18,861.30 (CAN) inclusive of fees and taxes. This includes the trade of my 1998 Toyota Corolla with 140000 km. I can't believe some of the prices I've seen posted in this and other forums. Even with the exchange rate, US buyers are getting amazing deals! The reason I am looking now is due to the great financing on offer. I really like the Kia and will likely take the plunge tomorrow. If any Canadians are reading, let me know how badly I'm getting ripped off!
Since I posted the original message, I have purchased the vehicle. So, if you think I got a lousy deal ($16,545 CAN plus applicable taxes) don't tell me!
As the title for this discussion includes " and buying experience" I thought I would relate my buying experience. In a word, awful. In fact, the experience was so bad I started doubting my choice of vehicle and seriously thought about cancelling the deal.
Another dealer had appraised my trade in and offered $4000 for it. I sent an email to another local dealer asking if they could better the overall price. They did and asked me to come and "seal the deal". When I arrived at the dealership (after driving for an hour) they re-appraised my trade and stated that they could only give me $3500 for it. I indicated that I was leaving and they then agreed on the $4000 price. When we finalized the deal my wife and I were sent to the Business Manager's office where the hard sell began. We were offered insurance, paint and fabric protection and an extended warranty. When I refused the extended warranty ($2300) I was asked to "justify my decision". The Business Manager was extremely rude and pushy and had no qualms showing how pissed off he was that we had declined all of the offers. Again, I almost walked away.
The dealership called two days after my purchase to ask when I wanted to take delivery. As I was working from home I indicated that I would like to do it before the end of the business day if possible. The salesman indicated that they were busy with "other stuff" and asked me to come in the following day. In the interim I noticed that the dealership had a "Manager's Special" promotion that included a "$1000 rebate, Free TireGard Road Hazard Warranty, Free Nitrogen Tire System Application and Free Accessory of your choice valued up to $120". The offer was applicable to "all in stock 2007 Spectras". I was given the $1000 rebate, and (very reluctantly) the TireGard Road Hazard Warranty and Free Nitrogen Tire System Application. When I indicated that I wanted winter floor mats (approx $100) and a touch up paint pen ($11) as my "free accessory" I was told that they would not be provided. The reason I was given by the dealership was that I had "negotiated on the price of the vehicle and didn't really qualify for the advertised items" and that they had already been "very generous". I indicated that the advertisement was undated and contained no small print about the offer being invalid if the price was negotiated. The salesman agreed that the ad did not contain any small text and still refused to provide the free accessory. I decided to let the Better Business Bureau sort it out – they have already processed three claims (that I didn't know about) against the dealership. It's a small thing, but being my first new car I expected a better experience.
Although we disliked our buying experience and the dealership, we love the car. It's quiet and has loads of fantastic features. I'm debating having it sprayed by Krown – we live in the "salt belt" in Southern Ontario, Canada. I just can't bare the though of having holes drilled in my new car!
Time to rrade cars. Replacing my present and so far dependable, 2002 Taurus. This car has made 5 round trips to the West from my home in the Midwest with zero problems. (2200 miles each way.) Test drove a 2007 Spectra EX (4A) today. This car had 6100 miles from the first owner. Was impressed with many features but after reading the 2007 brochure, I'm confused by what is either a misprint on the specification pages or have the specifications changed?
One one page it states that ABS is an option on the EX Sedan. On the opposite page it states that ABS is standard, but optional on the SX sedan and 5 models. Anyone have a comment on this?
In reading the service problems with this model, I'm hesitant to make a purchase. Since Kia allows no deviation from the service interval mileages, and apparently disallows warranty claims (according to one post)if you are over the service interval by fractional miles. Obviously there is little or no leeway (plus or minus) permitted.
My cars are dealer serviced every 3,000 miles and inspected for any potential problems. However, there have been instances where the mileage has been exceeded by 100 miles.
Checking the owners service record for this particular car reveals that the intial 3,000 mile service was either not performed on not recorded in the service record. According to some postings for this make and model, many dealers simply refuse to honor any warranty problems based on this.
Your comments are welcomed and appreciated.0
isellkias Posts: 4first off kia's oil changes have 2 seperate intervals. there is a 7500 (no stop and go/long trip only) and a service interval that is for "severe" (small trips without engine runnig for long period of time/stop and go/city.) next ABS IS ONLY OPTIONAL ON SX AND SPECTRA 5. NOT AVAILIBLE ON ANY LX OR EX SPECTRA. never has been never will be. you do realize that if you purchase the used vs the new you will only retain the 5-60 bumper to bumper and you will lose the 10yr-100000 powertrain warranty. you will retain the 5yr 60 as your powertrain coverage. you also do still get the remaining balance of the 5yr 60k roadside assistance coverage. just make sure you would want a used one because kia is offering some agressive rebates on the new ones. you can get them in the range of 13900 plus tax and tags0
Thanks for the valuable information on the servicing and oil change intervals. The brochure is somewhat vaguely arranged regarding the ABS system. IMHO.
I've read many reviews, many favorable, some otherwise on this model. One recurrent comment regarding the quality of the service departments appears frequently. Since you sell the product, this definitely does not help either the car's reputation or inspire the public's confidence in the dealer body.
Traveling West, as I do each Fall, I take note of the makes and frequency of sightings of cars with out-of-state plates at far distances from their home state. Over the last several years I've only spotted one Spectra (in Nebraska) with Connecticut tags. There are plenty of Sorentos and Kia vans however.
Thanks for the advice on purchasing new versus used.0
krutm Posts: 1Hi, I just saw your post and think I too may be making a mistake, if I understand you correctly. I recently purchased (new)2007 Sedona and a Spectra. I thought manual said it needs service/oil change every 7500 miles. I drive mostly city driving.did I get this wrong? Also- do you know if I have to do oil changes and services at a KIA dealership in order to maintain the warrantee? Lastly, once I am writing to you- would you or anyone know why -on both Sedona and Spectra- once every 2 weeks or so I shut off car and find the parking lights stay on.I do not have a setting marked "auto" ut I leave switch on the picture of the eyes and lights USUALLY go on automatically and off whenever I shut car...except once in a while ...???... I appreciate any help you can give me .Thanks.0
Not having purchased a Spectra as yet, and after reading the brochures and talking with salespeople, it's my understanding that when you open the drivers door, with the engine off, the lights automatically shut off.
According to the post from ISELLKIAS there are two oil change intervals. One is for no stop/go or long distance trips,(7500 miles) and one for stop/go driving i.e. city, where engine is turned off frequently. He did not mention what that stop/go mileage interval was.
Personally, I change oil/filter every 3K miles, regardless of what the owner's manual says. Outside of one battery failure, my present car has 63K with NO problems.
According to posts on the consumer ratings page, Kia is very, very strict on changing oil (according to that posting) within 5 miles of recommended mileage, OR they will not honor related warranty claims. This posting may be a little over the top, but check with your dealer to see if this is correct or just the requirements of that owners' dealer. From the various postings in the consumer ratings pages, warranty service for obvious defects may or may not be easy to obtain.
From the number of postings on the Spectra consumer ratings pages, it seems like many folks have experienced difficulty in trying to get warranty repairs.0
Sorry to have overlooked your question on dealer servicing.
My experience has been very positive in that respect. I'd strongly recommend dealer only servicing. If a warranty issue comes up, you've got records to prove that a defect exists since only the dealer has serviced the vehicle. This policy can avoid disputes over who's responsible for the work.
Is it more costly? Definitely. Does it pay off in the long run? Definitely.0
sam96 Posts: 3$15505 - price w/ AC, tint, Automatic transmission, no electric windows nope..
-1000 trade in
-1500 rebate
sound like BS or what folks
in TX
good bad? these are my options0
arennitas Posts: 1Sounds kind of ok, not great. We are looking at a deal for a 2008 spectra :
$15k AC, automatic, electric everything
No trade in
Cruise Control $250-350
The deal offered was $13,992 with 0% financing over 60 months & mad warranties
But thats in Oregon...0
roscoe62 Posts: 1Ok I have a price of $11,990 on a 2008 Spetra EX manual with cruise. I'm thinking from my research so far that this is a pretty good price. It's about $1,000 less than Edmunds TMV for my area on this car. What do you all think?????0
jfritsch Posts: 958Edmunds TMV is usually nothing to write home about, but if you look the trade in value of a used 07 spectra like the one you want with 16000 miles and outstanding condition (kbb.com) , and its about 10k, 12000 for a new one would be a good deal.
Also email 5 or more hyundai dealers within 100 miles of your home (hyundai website) for bids on an elantra gls with pwr pkg manual or auto (16000 or 17000msrp) and see what you can do last week of the month. Some dealers around the country have been letting them go for 12000 and 13000 and they are a significantly better car with more options std.
Good luck
Ok I have a price of $11,990 on a 2008 Spetra EX manual with cruise. I'm thinking from my research so far that this is a pretty good price. It's about $1,000 less than Edmunds TMV for my area on this car. What do you all think?????0
eddie149 Posts: 4Car dealers can be beat into submission at this time. Just bought a brand new specrta ex auto trans 12,042 out the door. Cleveland area.0
mikemartin Posts: 205Car dealers can be beat into submission at this time. Just bought a brand new specrta ex auto trans 12,042 out the door. Cleveland area.
That's a good deal, but not quite as good as a written offer to sell I got for a new 2008 Optima LX (4 banger) for $12,914 and some change, which would be out the door.0
ggzz Posts: 1That's a really great price, can you please give the dealer name? I'm also in cleveland0
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This outrageous policy assumes that women should get contraceptives for nothing, even when they can afford them, as most women did until Obama decided to give them away, like perfume samples. Even worse, Obama insists that the cost of these freebies should be borne, at least partially, by people who believe, wrongly or rightly, that contraception is evil.
The poster girl for this crusade is Sandra Fluke, the feminist attorney who screamed for free birth control in 2012, while studying law at Georgetown University. If Fluke earns the median private-sector starting salary for that school's graduates, Obama should explain why nuns who earn $0.00 annually should face millions in fines, unless they accept a scheme that lets a woman who makes $160,000 enjoy birth control for $0.00.
This is uglier than a gargoyle.
"Women at all income levels use the pill," says Dr. Lawrence B. Finer, Ph.D., Director of Domestic Research at the Guttmacher Institute. "But pill use is more common among higher-income women than among lower-income women." Birth control pills are the most popular female contraceptive.
Contraceptives are neither rare nor expensive. Virtually every pharmacy is brimming with them. Plan B, a "morning after" pill that may induce abortion, is available in college vending machines. Goodrx.com offers one-month supplies of 21 different oral contraceptives under $25. Who knew? Women arranged pregnancy-free sex pre-Obama.
Obama is a spectacularly powerful man who flexes his gargantuan muscles so he can have his way with comparatively powerless females.
Obama should unhand the Little Sisters of the Poor so they can spread their love. Meanwhile, women should acquire contraceptives just as Obama expects men to obtain condoms — with their own money.
The Little Sisters of the Poor need a battle cry. They should paraphrase the title of the 55th book by the late, great William F. Buckley, Jr., a devout Roman Catholic: "Pay for your own goddamn birth control."
Deroy Murdock is a Fox News contributor and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University.


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I like Arraylists. They are wonderful. You can feed them anything and they will digest it without complaining. You can add, delete, insert elements or ranges of elements without any complain and without even needing to re-dimension them. They take objects, and the objects can be of any class, images, sounds, controls, filenames..., even you can add different kinds of objects one after the other or at least a refference to it.
Don't believe me? Just press the button "Believe" and see what happens.
Anyway the purpose of this post is to highlight a situation on another program I made:
On that program I did extract the frames from a gif animation to files in a folder and then manipulated them reading and writting to disk. That was wasteful and slow. So I modified my program to do everything in memory. What do I use? Three arraylists.
This is just a sample project that won't do too much, but will give you a hint of what other things can be done.
Here I open a gif animation and dissassemble it intro frames(bitmaps). Convert them to a readable format (jpeg) and save them in an arraylist. From there I read them to show the individual frames on a picturebox. And change frames by pushing a couple of buttons, controlled by a timer, so it gives the impression of an animation.
The bitmaps in the arraylist are objects that don't have a text or name property and they have the same dimensions, so they can't easily be reordered without creating a class to use some other property. But, by using another arraylist they can be reverted in order.
My layout has a panel set to autoscroll and a picturebox set to autosize, so the image comes at normal size, but can be scrolled.
I added a subroutine for saving one frame to disk but you have to take care of the names if you want to save more frames.
Form load will create the tooltips and arraylists needed:
Imports System.IO Imports System.Collections Imports System.Drawing.Imaging Imports System.Drawing.Drawing2D Public Class Form1 Dim OriginalGif As Image Dim PicArray1, PicArray2 As ArrayList Dim N As Integer = 0 Dim Forward As Boolean = True Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load ToolTip1.SetToolTip(btnReverse, "Will Reverse Images In The Arraylist") ToolTip1.SetToolTip(btnBack, "Will Show Images In Reverse Sequence" & vbNewLine & "Keep It Down For Animation") ToolTip1.SetToolTip(btnBack, "Will Show Images In Forward Sequence" & vbNewLine & "Keep It Down For Animation") PicArray1 = New ArrayList PicArray2 = New ArrayList End Sub
And Menu->File->Open will open and load an animation.
Private Sub OpenToolStripMenuItem_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles OpenToolStripMenuItem.Click Dim f As New OpenFileDialog Try With f .Filter = "Gif Files|*.gif" If .ShowDialog = DialogResult.OK Then OriginalGif = Image.FromFile(.FileName) Rip() pbOutput.Image = PicArray1(0) btnBack.Enabled = True btnForward.Enabled = True btnReverse.Enabled = True End If End With Catch ex As Exception MessageBox.Show(ex.ToString) Finally If Not f Is Nothing Then f.Dispose() f = Nothing End If End Try End Sub
Enable the controls and call the "Rip" function to dissassemble the animation and extract the frames:
Public Sub Rip() PicArray1.Clear() ' Dim Picture As Image Dim OrigDim As New FrameDimension(OriginalGif.FrameDimensionsList(0)) Dim FrameCount As Integer = OriginalGif.GetFrameCount(OrigDim) ' Dim MemStr As Bitmap For i As Integer = 0 To FrameCount - 1 OriginalGif.SelectActiveFrame(OrigDim, i) Using Frames As New Bitmap(OriginalGif) PicArray1.Add(ConvertToRGB(Frames.Clone)) ' To avoid external code error in gdi End Using Next End Sub
The "Rip" function will call the function "ConvertToRGB" that will change the format of the frames to "RGB", so they can be manipulated without getting "External error code in GDI":
Public Shared Function ConvertToRGB(ByVal original As Bitmap) As Bitmap Dim newImage As New Bitmap(original.Width, original.Height, System.Drawing.Imaging.PixelFormat.Format32bppArgb) newImage.SetResolution(original.HorizontalResolution, original.VerticalResolution) Dim g As Graphics = Graphics.FromImage(newImage) g.DrawImageUnscaled(original, 0, 0) g.Dispose() Return newImage End Function
Now we have the bitmaps in an arraylist. What can we do with them? That is up to you.
I am only viewing them in this program and saving one individual frame. But you can do so many other things as your imagination may allow.
For viewing, the first frame is shown on the picturebox, by clicking the chevrons you could advance or reverse on the frames. If you press down and keep it down then you will see a pseudo animation, in forward or reverse, controlled by the timer:
Private Sub btnForward_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles btnForward.Click 'View Jpg Files in Directory If PicArray1.Count = 1 Then Exit Sub N += 1 If N > PicArray1.Count - 1 Then N = 0 End If If PicArray1(N) IsNot Nothing Then pbOutput.Image = PicArray1(N) End If End Sub Private Sub btnBack_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles btnBack.Click 'View Jpg Files in Directory If PicArray1.Count = 1 Then Exit Sub N = N - 1 If N < 0 Then N = PicArray1.Count - 1 End If If PicArray1(N) IsNot Nothing Then pbOutput.Image = PicArray1(N) End If End Sub Private Sub btnForward_MouseDown(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.MouseEventArgs) Handles btnForward.MouseDown, btnBack.MouseDown If sender Is btnForward Then Forward = True If sender Is btnBack Then Forward = False Timer1.Enabled = True End Sub Private Sub btnForward_MouseUp(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.MouseEventArgs) Handles btnForward.MouseUp, btnBack.MouseUp Timer1.Enabled = False End Sub Private Sub Timer1_Tick(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles Timer1.Tick If Forward = True Then btnForward.PerformClick() If Forward = False Then btnBack.PerformClick() End Sub
And for saving:
Private Sub SaveToolStripMenuItem_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles SaveToolStripMenuItem.Click Dim Str As String = "MyFile.jpg" If Not System.IO.File.Exists(Str) Then Try pbOutput.Image.Save(Str, System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Jpeg) 'PictureBox1.Image.Save(str, System.Drawing.Imaging.ImageFormat.Png) Catch Ex As Exception MessageBox.Show("Could Not Write To Location " & Ex.ToString) End Try End If End Sub
It will create a file in your program directory.
I also added a subroutine to revert the order of the frames. So when yo press the chevron to advance, the animation will reverse, and so will the other button. Here you see how I reversed the frames:
Private Sub btnReverse_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles btnReverse.Click PicArray2.Clear() For i As Integer = PicArray1.Count - 1 To 0 Step -1 PicArray2.Add(PicArray1(i)) Next PicArray1.Clear() For Each obj As Object In PicArray2 PicArray1.Add(obj) Next pbOutput.Image = PicArray1(0) pbOutput.Refresh() End Sub
That is it. Please check the attached project sample.
The code for the believe button is in the project.
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APIs are being developed to enable a browser and browser-based applications to ingest and store database records over the net for offline database access.
In an apparently paradoxical development, the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is developing sets of APIs to enable browser-integrated applications, such as e-mail clients and calendars, to ingest data from the net and store it in the browser for later offline access, so as to facilitate richer web applications.
Applications that are browser-based and need to enable offline access to their data must develop their own way of ingesting and storing data. The use of a standard Indexed Database API would enable browsers to do this in a standard way for all such applications.
For the detail minded:
"This [ID API] specification provides a concrete API to perform advanced key-value data management that is at the heart of most sophisticated query processors. It does so by using transactional databases to store keys and their corresponding values (one or more per key), and providing a means of traversing keys in a deterministic order. This is often implemented through the use of persistent B-tree data structures that are considered efficient for insertion and deletion as well as in-order traversal of very large numbers of data records."
The proposed standard is in draft form and being vetted over the next few months. Then there will be a comments stage to go through after which the W3C will issue it as a recommendation and let browser and browser app developers use it. If it all comes good we might see the offline access to browser-stored data facility become real next year - maybe. ®


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Adeal to build low-income housing in downtown Medford and off Spring Street almost got derailed last week, prompting the Jackson County Housing Authority to offer more money to get it back on track.
The City Council last week balked at spending $65,000 to cover a disparity in price between a downtown property owned by the Medford Urban Renewal Agency and a Spring Street property owned by the Housing Authority.
To avoid delays in reaching a compromise, the Housing Authority tentatively offered to cover the difference, contingent on approval by its board of directors.
"From our standpoint, this agreement, even with Housing Authority increasing its contribution, is a better alternative than going back to square one," said Jason Elzy, director of development for the Housing Authority. "This avoids the conflicts of a few months ago. We would rather not fight with the city and (not) fight with neighbors."
The Housing Authority had originally proposed a 100-unit, low-income development off Spring Street that generated opposition from the neighborhood.
The City Council rejected the project, but the Oregon Land Use Board of Appeals ruled the city made serious mistakes in denying the Housing Authority's application.
The Housing Authority threatened a discrimination lawsuit against the city, but ultimately a compromise and tentative agreement were reached.
To appease the residents and the city, the Housing Authority offered to reduce the apartment complex size to 50 units and transfer 2.5 acres of the 6-acre property to the city for a park and buffer between the complex and Spring Street. The Housing Authority would give $150,000 to the city for development costs for the transferred property.
In exchange, the city would swap a commercial-zoned lot at the corner of Sixth and Grape streets to the Housing Authority, which would build a 30,000-square-foot building that would house retail on the bottom floor and contain 50 units of low-income housing.
The sticking point came when the appraisals for the two properties indicated the Housing Authority's land was worth $129,000 more than the city property.
The Housing Authority offered to pay half the amount, or roughly $65,000, that would go toward improvements at Donahue-Frohnmayer Park next to the Spring Street project.
When the agreement came before the City Council last week, it was rejected by a 5-2 vote, with one abstention.
After the Housing Authority proposed paying the remaining difference as a contribution toward park improvements, the council supported the idea.
Councilor Daniel Bunn said he was concerned about issues of fairness toward the Housing Authority.
"They are bearing the brunt of us having an internal squabble," Bunn told other councilors Thursday. "To take it out on someone trying to build a project in the middle of a recession is unfair."
Bunn said he voted for the new agreement primarily because the Housing Authority endorsed the plan.
On the final vote, five councilors voted for the agreement, with councilors Karen Blair and John Michaels voting against and Chris Corcoran abstaining.
Because two councilors voted against the agreement, it will come back for a second reading at noon Feb. 21 at City Hall, 411 West Eighth St.
Councilor Bob Strosser said he thought the Housing Authority had made every effort to find a solution that would work with the City Council.
"It is very evident that the Housing Authority is constructively moving through these difficult waters with us," he said.
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With the last run of dates in 2012 selling out and receiving rave reviews, Christine and her band are returning with an intimate, up-close version of the show. REWIND is Christine Anu's tribute to the Queen of soul Aretha Franklin. REWIND – The Aretha Franklin Songbook is a special show unlike anything Christine has done before.
"2012 was a fantastic year and I'm really pleased REWIND connected with so many people," she says. "I'm excited to announce more shows in 2013. This time I will be doing a more intimate version of the show, so that it can be seen by people in regional and remote areas of Australia. REWIND 2013 will also include encore performances at places like The Basement and Bennett's Lane. I would like to thank Aretha Franklin – her magic introduced me to a whole new audience and for this, I will forever love her … still!"
In this must-see performance, Anu conjures soulful interpretations of Aretha's most memorable songs including the signature tunes Respect and (You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman as well as Chain of Fools, Today I Sing The Blues and many other unforgettable classic melodies. "Nobody says it or sings it better than Ms. Aretha Franklin. She is one of my greatest influences and an inspiration to black pride and feminine empowerment. I truly believe she is the greatest soul singer of our time!" says Christine, who provides all the grace, glitz and vocals of a true diva and is sure to captivate audiences from the start. REWIND – The Aretha Franklin Songbook was also released in CD and Digital formats at the end of 2012, allowing Aretha fans to take home Christine's interpretations of these classic tunes


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At the Democratic convention, many prominent supporters of abortion spoke in favor of its legality. But you will look in vain for a single sentence in which any of them dared to describe the procedure.
I am calling upon all of us to challenge candidates and voters of every party to bring the tragedy of abortion to the center of their election decisions. The teachings of the Holy Father and of the bishops constantly point out that not all moral and life issues are equal. "Abortion necessarily plays a central role," the bishops state (A Campaign In Support of Life, 2001).
Yet it is not because the bishops teach it that we declare the centrality of abortion. It's simply because of what it is. It is not looking at a Church document that convinces us of the urgency of ending abortion. It's simply looking at abortion.
Yet that is exactly what so many of its supporters do not want to do.
How many of them will admit what abortion is? None!
How many will quote from abortionist Warren Hern's medical textbook Abortion Practice which describes the procedure as "dismemberment" and "decapitation"? None!
How many will dare read from the testimonies of abortionists in court, in which they describe how the arms and legs of the baby are ripped off and the head removed in pieces? None!
That's why the most important challenge we can give to the Democratic party and in fact to all candidates of all parties is to confront them with these facts and ask one simple question: When you say the word "abortion," is this what you mean?
What the abortion supporter says in response does not matter. The goal is accomplished: what that person stands for has been revealed, both to that person and to all who listen.
Let's press the question; let's raise the challenge. If a public official, or one seeking public office, has a position on abortion, one should expect that he or she knows what the word means. If they expect public policy to permit abortion, or taxpayers to fund it, they should certainly be willing to describe what it is.
Because the words used are those of the abortionists themselves, we do not have to worry about coming up with clever arguments of our own. And because this challenge simply asks what they mean by the word, the burden is on those we challenge, not on us, to give a response.
Along with the quotes, let's use diagrams of the abortion procedure, as well as the gruesome photos of what an abortion is.
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What is robots.txt used for?
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For non-image files (that is, web pages) robots.txt should only be used to control crawling traffic, typically because you don't want your server to be overwhelmed by Google's crawler or to waste crawl budget crawling unimportant or similar pages on your site. You should not use robots.txt as a means to hide your web pages from Google Search results. This is because other pages might point to your page, and your page could get indexed that way, avoiding the robots.txt file. If you want to block your page from search results, use another method such as password protection or noindex tags or directives.
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MOSCOW (AP) — Russian authorities are raiding non-governmental organizations to make sure they comply with a law intended to stem foreign meddling in Russian politics, President Vladimir Putin said Thursday.
Activists have criticized the sweeping searches of as many as 2,000 NGOs across the country as an attempt by the Kremlin to intimidate its critics. France and Germany have summoned Russia's ambassadors to explain the searches, while the U.S., Britain and the EU have expressed concern.
Russia's rights ombudsman, Vladimir Lukin, asked Putin about the raids, saying they have been conducted for no apparent reason.
Putin responded that the goal was to "check whether the groups' activities conform with their declared goals and whether they are abiding by the Russian law that bans foreign funding of political activities."
Hours before he spoke, the prosecutor general's office said the raids aimed to weed out underground groups and combat money laundering.
A recent law requires all NGOs with foreign funding that engage in vaguely defined political activities to register as "foreign agents." Leading Russian NGOs have denounced the law as impossibly vague.
Although rights activists such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have faced the most pressure, the Russian searches have also affected groups offering French-language courses in Siberia and those promoting bird-watching.
Pavel Chikov, a member of the presidential human rights council, said Russian agencies with no connection to the new law — including the fire, labor and health departments — had joined the checks.
"The prosecutor general's office has become a kind of repressive machine, instead of serving as institution that enforces the law," fellow council member Sergei Krivenko said Thursday.
In Washington, U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland slammed what she called a Russian "witch hunt" against non-governmental organizations.
"These inspections appear to be aimed at undermining important civil society activities across the country," Nuland told reporters, adding that the U.S. ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, has expressed his displeasure to Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov.
Nuland said the laws passed last year by Moscow impose "harsh restrictions on NGO activity in Russia."
"They are chilling the environment for civil society, which is taking Russian democracy in the wrong direction," she added.
Nuland said the U.S. was continuing its support for Russian advocacy groups, using platforms outside of Russia to direct funds to organizations.
Putin, who returned to the presidency in May, has repeatedly accused NGOs of being fronts allowing the U.S. government to interfere in Russia's affairs.
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"I often choose to use reclaimed architectural features and reclaimed timber because of the historical memory that is embedded in these materials," says Nika Neelova. "They carry a story of a past life." Neelova makes evocative sculptures and installations that resonate with associations of history, personal memory, and the rise and fall of civilizations. Deeply informed by her Russian heritage and international upbringing, she is keenly aware of the way that materials and architecture influence our sense of time and place, and that even the most solid structure is subject to ruin. She explores such themes in works like Principles of Surrender (2010), a poetic meditation on the fragility underlying stability, featuring a forest of towering bell clappers, cast in wax and ash, ready to shatter upon first impact.
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The word "performance" has several diverse and subtle implications. When people talk about how well something performs, one thing they might mean is how much work gets finished during a period of time. For example, a well-performing engine runs quietly and produces lots of torque. You can apply this same yardstick to your development team: A well-performing development team also works quietly and produces lots of good code. To me, performance means at least these two things—how well my code does its job and how well my team and I do our jobs. The tips in this article can help you do both—write code faster and write faster code—and do so quietly, with fewer noisy errors. Primarily, the tips pertain to ADO, especially how you use it to access SQL Server. But along the way, I touch on a few more general COM tips that apply to any Visual Basic (VB) code you write.
I've spent quite a bit of time working out which SQL Server data-access coding techniques, which architectures, and which development practices make for the best performance. In some cases, a technique has little bearing on the overall performance of the application or component unless you multiply its savings with repetition. For example, in a client/server application, you might save a second or two by not specifying an ODBC Data Source Name (DSN) for your connection. This savings might have little overall effect on the application's suitability or performance, but if you apply that same technique to a middle-tier component in which connections are made and broken several hundred (or thousand) times per minute, hour, or day, this technique can significantly affect how the system performs. For each technique I discuss, be sure to consider the multiplication factor—how many times your system executes this code during a period of time.
When beginning your search for ways to improve performance, consider where your application (component or Active Server Pages—ASP—code) spends most of its time waiting and processing. If you discover your application is spending a lot of time waiting for the Open or Execute method to complete, you need to take a hard look at your server-side query strategy. All data-access interfaces—including ADO—wait at the same speed for results. For example, if you have a query that takes SQL Server 20 seconds to execute, no matter which interface you use to execute the query, none will return with the result any faster than another. Although some interfaces open connections faster and some process the resultsets faster, none can affect the speed at which the engine compiles and executes a query. So, all the ADO techniques in the world might not help your performance if you're submitting "challenged" queries—for example, you haven't optimized your indexes, you haven't used stored procedures, the server is overloaded, or you're asking the application to return too many rows. No other tuning techniques will significantly help your overall performance until you solve these basic query problems. SQL Server's Query Analyzer provides a great way to analyze query performance. It can graphically display how the query is being executed and can suggest ways to improve performance.
After you're comfortable that your queries are efficient, you can use the techniques I discuss in this article to tune your ADO code even further. These tips will help you streamline the process of establishing and maintaining connections, build and submit queries that perform more quickly and efficiently, improve performance during result processing, and compare data-access strategies.
Establishing the Connection
In a client/server application, you have several ways you can hide the time it takes to establish an initial connection so that the user doesn't have to wait for the application to start while the connection is opened. First, try connecting asynchronously. With asynchronous connections, ADO starts the connection process but doesn't wait for it to complete before returning control to your application—thereby permitting your application to execute most of its initialization process and complete the form_load event more quickly. If you can close the connection and reconnect in less time than it takes for the connection pool to release your connection, your connection is virtually instantaneous. But in many cases (especially when you don't have many users), simply leaving the connection open makes the most sense. I recommend you leave the Connection object open in a middle-tier or ASP component if it makes repeated queries to the database.
Another way to improve connection performance is to avoid using ODBC with DSNs. ODBC is now in Quick Fix Engineering (QFE) mode at Microsoft, which means that the company will do no further work on ODBC or its drivers unless it discovers a major bug. ODBC DSNs are also a concern when you're managing performance and deployment. DSNs have to be installed on the client system, require a registry lookup, and can take longer to establish than OLE DB connections—especially if you hard-code the ConnectionString. In real terms, if you eliminate DSNs, your overhead savings will be minor. If you eliminate the connection altogether, you'll probably save 2 to 5 seconds per connection—assuming a connection isn't available from the pool. However, if your application has to constantly connect and reconnect, these savings can add up.
When establishing your connection, you choose the data provider. Microsoft recommends that you use OLE DB instead of the default ODBC provider. My experience shows fewer unpleasant surprises with the latest OLE DB native providers than with their older ODBC counterparts. In any case, be sure to test your application thoroughly before committing to a new provider—your code's performance, supported features, and behavior might vary.
In the middle tier and in ASP, you can't (in a practical sense) hold a connection open and still create a scalable component—at least not between invocations. Typically, a component or ASP page is loaded and discarded frequently as Microsoft IIS references and releases instances. Because the ADO-based code must establish, use, and release a connection each time the code is executed, strategies to minimize connection setup can help in clearly measurable terms. For these scenarios, the connection/session pool plays a big role in how quickly you can get connected. If you code your Command object's ConnectionString property correctly (i.e., by using the same server, initial catalog, login ID, and other parameters each time), the chances of a connection being open and available are good. If a matching connection is found in the pool, the time to connect (or reconnect) will be virtually nil (usually less than 250ms).
However, if your ADO (or VB) code doesn't release your Connection object or if you change the ConnectionString from instance to instance, OLE DB has to establish a new connection every time. If that happens, you'll soon run out of connections as the available pool dries up. To make sure the connection is freed, set the Connection object to Nothing after closing it. Also, don't use a ConnectionString in the Recordset Open method; open the Connection object independently so that the Connection object is easy to reference when you close it and set it to Nothing.
Building and Submitting a Query
The whys and why-nots of query construction is a complex area. However, some basic guidelines can help make constructing an efficient query a smoother process. Generally, use queries that don't waste the server's time. Here are several ways to build better, more efficient queries.
Don't force SQL Server to recompile and construct a query plan for your query each time it's executed. An easy way to avoid this repetition is to create and use parameter-based stored procedures. Don't bother with the ADO Command object's Prepare property—it doesn't work correctly. When creating stored procedures, you can further help ADO performance by eliminating unneeded "rows affected" values from the returned resultsets—simply add SET NOCOUNT ON to the stored procedure.
Make as few round-trips to the server as possible. If you have several related operations to perform, combine them into a stored procedure or even one multipart query that you can execute as a script on the server. Avoid using methods (such as Refresh) and improper Parameters collection references that force ADO to make unnecessary round-trips to the server.
In client/server applications, construct Command objects once, not each time they're used. Reset the Command parameter values, and re-execute the Commands as necessary.
Try to get ADO to generate a direct remote procedure call. Watch SQL Server Profiler to see when ADO asks SQL Server to run a procedure by leveraging the sp_executesql procedure. This procedure isn't particularly inefficient, but if you see SQL Server being asked to create a temporary procedure in one step, execute the procedure in another step, and drop the same procedure in a third step, you've hit a performance snag.
Whenever your query doesn't return a rowset, be sure to use the adExecuteNoRecords option to tell ADO to bypass any code required to set up and receive a rowset (in Recordset form). You can pass this option to the Execute method or as a Command option.
Don't use Command objects when you're executing simple rowset-returning stored procedures. All stored procedures (and Command objects) show up as COM methods of the Connection object. Having procedures as Connection methods can yield significant performance benefits as well as simpler code. Although this technique doesn't help with stored procedures that echo Return Status values or Output parameters, it can be helpful for action queries and other queries that return one or more rowsets. With the procedures as Connection methods, you can pass the stored procedure's input arguments as method arguments, and if a Recordset is returned, you can reference the Recordset as the last argument in the method call. For example, the following ADO statement executes a stored procedure called "Fred" that has two input parameters and a returned Recordset:
MyConnection.Fred "InputArg1", 2, myRecordset
When coding, don't expect VB to auto-complete the stored procedure or Command object name as a recognized method of the Connection object. COM doesn't resolve these until runtime.
Don't return a rowset unless you must. ADO constructs a Recordset object whenever the query being executed returns rows. Recordset objects are expensive to construct, so avoid them whenever possible. After it's built, the Recordset provides powerful features, and if you find them useful, you can use a Recordset to pass data back from SQL Server. Keep in mind that it's possible to execute queries that return results but no rows. For example, you can return integer values by using the Return Status parameter. Also, you can return up to 1000 Output parameters (from SQL Server) instead of a rowset, which would require construction of a Recordset.
Whenever possible, execute action queries (INSERT, UPDATE, and DELETE statements or stored procedures that perform these operations) instead of using updateable Recordset cursors. In this case, make sure you use the Execute method and its adExecuteNoRecords option to ensure that ADO knows that it doesn't need to construct a Recordset.
Don't ask the server to sort unless necessary. In many cases, sorting reasonably sized Recordset objects is faster after they arrive at the client. Letting the ADO client sort the rows in the Recordset also gives the client application more flexibility to use alternative user-selected sort sequences.
Know your index structure before you write your queries. You can improve fetch performance by creating appropriate indexes and properly tuning your query syntax to leverage these indexes. Use the Query Analyzer to help you decide when and whether you need more indexes.
Don't return too many rows. Too often, bulky resultsets severely limit your executable's performance. Just return the rows you need right now, and fetch more rows later if the client needs them. Limit the scope of the query with parameter-driven WHERE clauses or through judicious use of TOP N queries.
Don't return too many columns. Avoid using SELECT *, which tells SQL Server to return all columns, no matter how many exist. Just select the specific columns you need so that you won't get a nasty surprise when someone adds more columns to the tables.
Avoid using cursors. If you must indulge in cursors, don't choose a cursor that requires more resources than necessary. Don't ask for scrolling, updateability, or cached data if you don't need it.
Tell ADO what you want it to do in more detail. Be sure to include the CommandType option when opening a Recordset or building a Command object. This prevents ADO from "guessing" your intentions. You can save round-trips to the server and make your code more stable.
Also, learn to use your diagnostic tools to determine how much time code running on the server and in your application is taking—and where it's spending the time. SQL Server Profiler is an invaluable tool in this process. It can clarify what your code is asking the server to execute, and it can highlight in a flash sloppy query construction or the wrong choice of command properties. Query Analyzer can also help tune queries by diagramming how SQL Server will execute a query and suggesting ways to improve the query. Query Analyzer can even implement those suggestions (by adding or removing indexes, for example) at the click of a button.
Processing the Results
After the rows have arrived, your code can spend a considerable amount of time processing the resultset. Each architecture (client/server, middle-tier, and ASP) has techniques for optimizing code in this phase, but here are several tips that can markedly improve performance.
One of the most common mistakes I see in code is the use of late binding in referring to Recordset Field.Value items. Because your code references the Value property so often and many Field objects usually exist for you to reference, the multiplication factor plays a big role—any improvement here will yield great improvement in performance. The reason some developers use late binding is that they want to be able to visually identify which column the SELECT statement is referring to. To this end, many people use the quoted-literal technique. For example, to refer to a Field "Cows" in the Fields collection of the Recordset RS, you might use
The latter technique explicitly refers to the Value property of a specific member of the Recordset Fields collection. The technique is a little faster and will be more upwardly compatible if you migrate this code to Visual Basic.Net. Another variation on the quoted-literal technique is the use of the bang (!) operator:
Both of these techniques take considerably longer for COM to resolve than do early-binding techniques because they force COM to resolve the reference to the Value property at runtime instead of at compile time. Every reference to this object requires a similar serial lookup behind the scenes.
However, with late-binding techniques, there's no question about which column you're referring to. If you simply coded
RS(0) ' Point to the first column (Fields collection member)
COM could resolve the Value property address at compile time and the code would run faster, but only someone who knew which columns the query would return and in what order would know what this expression referred to. If the developer doesn't have control over the query source, as is often the case, this approach can be problematic. To determine which SELECT column RS(0) refers to, you'd have to figure out which SELECT statement was used to generate the Recordset and count the returned columns.
However, a couple of alternatives exist that give you both quick runtime referencing and easy human readability. One approach requires some discipline: In this case, the developer creates and publishes an enumerated list of the columns the query returns. If the query were changed to return additional columns or the columns changed in order, the developer would have to correct and redeploy the enumeration. Keeping enumerations matched to the underlying SQL queries can be somewhat tough to administer. For example, to clearly and quickly identify which columns your ADO code is referencing, you could couple the following SELECT statement with the following enumeration:
SELECT CatName, CatType, CatSize from Cats Where... Enum enuCatsQuery CatName CatType CatSize End Enum
Note that the columns the SELECT statement returns match those you specified in the enumeration. Then, when it was time to reference the Recordset Fields collection, you would execute the following code:
StrMyName = Rs(enuCatsQuery.CatName)
This way, the code is "human readable" and still binds at design time, so it's considerably faster.
But you have another way to avoid late binding. A long discussion on the [email protected] list services resulted in an approach I call prebinding, which combines two techniques. This approach won't help in cases in which you reference the Field object only once, but in client/server applications, prebinding works nicely. With this technique, you create individually named Field objects and set these objects to the Recordset object's Fields collection items. To code it, you first set up a named Field object for each Field you'll manage:
Dim fldName as ADODB.Field Dim fldType as ADODB.Field Dim fldSize as ADODB.Field
You'll incur some overhead in creating individual Field objects, but you have to weigh this one-time penalty against its benefit in dramatically improved performance.
After you've opened the Recordset, you set the named Field objects just once to refer to the desired columns in the SELECT query:
If fldName is Nothing then Set fldName = RS!CatName Set fldType = RS!CatType Set fldSize = RS!CatSize End if
You can use quoted string referencing here, or even the bang operator. Because you're using them only once, they won't make much difference in performance. Then, when it's time to reference the Field objects (post query), simply use the prebound variables:
strName = fldName strType = fldType strSize = fldSize
This prebinding approach can yield even better performance than you get with the ordinal reference (RS(0)) approach.
Client/Server, Middle-Tier, and ASP Strategies
When you start implementing code in other than client/server situations, you have another set of considerations to include in your search for performance. Some of these have nothing to do with ADO—they're related to COM. A recent Microsoft white paper states that it's faster to execute an ADO operation (Connect, query, process) in a Windows 2000 ASP page than to call a COM component to execute the same code. This finding is unsurprising; when you call an external COM component from VB (a piece of code outside your process space), the work going on behind the scenes to access the COM component and pass control to it is amazingly complex and slow. You don't have to avoid calling COM components to run your ADO code, but you can't simply encapsulate individual ADO operations into lots of little COM components and call them one at a time when you need them. Instead, try building an entire logic tree in the COM component so that in a single invocation, the COM component can perform most (if not all) of the ASP functionality in one round-trip—or as few trips between your ASP code and COM as possible. I think you'll find that running ADO (or any) code in binary (e.g., the COM component) is faster than running (ASP-) interpreted code. So, you need to find ways to avoid the expense of getting to and from the COM component.
When you can't leave a Command object or prebound Field object around to use and reuse as needed, consider techniques that avoid unnecessary object creation. In this case, calling stored procedures as Connection methods makes even more sense. Using early binding to reference Field objects can also help performance. And remember to clean up after yourself: Close the Recordset and Connection objects, and set them to Nothing when you're finished.
For best code and coder performance, remember these basics: Leverage the connection pool and asynchronous connections, reduce the number of round-trips your ADO code makes, choose an early COM-binding technique, avoid expensive and unnecessary ADO objects such as the Recordset and Command objects, and use the Return Status or Output parameters instead of rowsets. Always try to write intelligent queries and capitalize on stored procedures whenever possible. And tell ADO what you want it to do in detail to prevent it from having to guess—specify an explicit ADO CommandType, and use options such as adExecuteNoRecords.
I suggest you take this and all other programming advice with a grain of salt. The work we do, the code we write, and the systems we create are very complex, and many constantly changing factors influence them. With this in mind, if you see a technique here that looks interesting, try it out. If it works, implement it, and test it again. If it still works, great. If it doesn't, let me know what you tried and what did or didn't work.


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I could see it with a path of the titans type reward.
Say for instance you level a Dwarf to max level and you unlock the sub race option for the dwarves allowing you to one time change your current character or start a dwarf with that sub-race from the start. One issue is that they rarely make female models of sub-races so that'd be extra work on top of new existing racial models.
Beyond that, it breaks the story.
You go through as a Darkspear troll and all the trials of Darkspear Trolls under Vol'jin and then get plastic surgery to become a Sandfury, who is still playing a Darkspear troll going through Darkspear Troll questlines with Vol'jin as a leader?
It can work for some subraces that aren't really subraces. But that's not the same thing really.
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