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|2008-02-23, 07:59
|Link #782
Join Date: Oct 2004
Age: 38
Seeing that many of you are in praise of this series....
So may I ask how many of you guys will be ordering a complete set of the original Japanese publication from Amazon JP (Face it, this series might never get a English translation) in support of Watashiya once this series is done ?
|2008-02-23, 11:43
|Link #783
Join Date: Oct 2006
Oh comeon DK...you can't talk about rin being naive or unknowing about sex seeing as she's been sexually harrassing aoki for most of the series.
It was a pretty damn good chapter, but like others said it also feels like its starting to really wind to a conclusion which would be sad...I need more Kuro/Shiro-chan damnit.
|2008-02-23, 16:29
|Link #784
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ...
Age: 61
|2008-02-23, 17:18
|Link #785
Join Date: Oct 2007
I. Rin's father
1. Knows that his former girlfriend, Aki Kokonoe, is dead.
2. Knows that Reiji is her legal guardian.
3. Originally wanted Aki to have an abortion and left her when she didn't.
Conclusion: Personally, I agree with everyone's assessment that he has no business showing up in Rin's life now and taking her away after abandoning her mother like he did. However, we also have to consider that we still have absolutely no idea why he wanted Aki to get an abortion. Yes, it could very well be he just didn't want a child and was a complete douchebag, but it's equally possible that there were other factors that came into play, like differences in social status, his family possibly disapproving of his relationship with Aki, prior work or school-related obligations, that he was married and Aki was his mistress, etc. That last one may sound a bit out there, but think about it: Aki was a single mother working as a supermarket cashier and she could afford to live in a house. Rental or otherwise, that's still a bit beyond the purchasing power of someone with a job like hers, don't you think? It's also possible that Aki became pregnant while she was still in high school and it was impractical/impossible for him to financially support a child if he was the same age as she was. I'm not making excuses for the jerk, but the bottom line is we know nothing about what drove him to abandon Aki in the first place, only that he did. Another thing to consider is that this all happened nearly 10 years ago. Time changes people. Rin's father has nothing to gain by demanding custody of Rin now, as raising his daughter and the money he's apparently dumped into getting a lawyer/private investigator constitutes a major financial drain, and he can't exactly extort money from Reiji like he might've been able to from the mother of his child. As slow and late as it was, maybe the guy's really just trying to do the right thing in the end. The simple fact of the matter is that we just don't know.
II. Reiji Kokonoe
1. Knows that Rin's father wanted Aki to have her aborted.
2. Knows that Rin has a crush on Aoki.
3. Knows that Aoki has admitted to "liking" Rin.
4. Knows that Aoki once made a "house call" to check up on Rin in spite of his explicitly having mentioned he didn't want a home visit.
5. Believes that Aoki's skills as a teacher are questionable since he has made assertions about Rin's actions and behavior that are (from his viewpoint) completely without precedent since she behaves completely differently around him than she does around Aoki.
6. Is doing his best to provide and care for Rin as her legal guardian.
7. Is trying to groom Rin to become Aki's replacement.
Conclusion: Reiji's essentially a mixed bag. On the one hand, he has assumed responsibility for raising, providing for, and taking care of Rin and seems to have done a pretty decent job considering that he had a dysfunctional family upbringing that left him mentally unstable. And, in Chapter 34, Rin has denied that he has sexually abused her in any way, so we still have absolutely no explanation for the "hickeys" and there is zero evidence, as Aoki admitted when he called that child services hotline to try and report Reiji. On the other hand, we, the readers, know that Reiji's pretty delusional and fucked in the head and part of the reason he's so protective of her is for the completely selfish and personal reason that he eventually wants to have her all to himself. Now, add to this the fact that Rin once told Reiji that she has a crush on Aoki, that she also mentioned that he admitted to liking her(while failing to mention the context), and that he has accused her at a parent-teacher meeting of inappropriate behavior when she has shown absolutely no signs of doing such things in his presence. Reiji's not the sanest person out there, but I have to admit, from his point of view, I'd probably be pretty damn suspicious of the appropriateness of Aoki's actions and his competence as a teacher. One of the few things we can pin on him is being ignorant, misinformed, and not being aware of the whole picture.
III. Daisuke Aoki
1. Knows that Rin has displayed sexual knowledge and behavior highly inappropriate for a member for someone her age.
2. Has seen Rin come to school sometimes wearing sexy outfits.
3. Knows that Rin has strange hickey-like marks on the back of her neck and has been going out of her way to cover them up/make excuses for them.
4. Knows that Rin's father and mother were not together when she started attending Futatsubashi Elementary School, but knows absolutely no details about the situation other than that basic information.
5. Learned in Chapter 34 that Reiji and Aki were involved.
Conclusion: Yes, Aoki is being a dumbass, but, like Reiji, his actions look that way because he's acting out of ignorance about the situation and Rin's not exactly forthcoming about details abour her personal life. He has no idea that Rin's mother was abandoned by her father after she refused to cave in to his demands to have an abortion and I'm pretty damn sure he'd reconsider handing custody of Rin over to him even if he were aware of that fact. And let's face it: if a nine-year-old came up to me, pulled down her panties, groped me, flashed me, made sexually explicit remarks, started coming on to me, and expressed interest in engaging in sexual activity with me, I'd probably be pretty damn suspicious of what her home life was like: at best, she has an irrresponsible parent or guardian who's lenient about granting her access to pornography and other adult material, or, at worst, she is being sexually abused by said individual and is learning all this stuff from him firsthand. Quite frankly, if I were in Aoki's shoes and my knowledge were limited to these facts, I'm not so sure I wouldn't act differently than he is right now.
To be frank, this entire situation is fucked up: we have three individuals who are ignorant of the big picture and are essentially just about ready to turn Rin's life upside down in order to do what they personally believe to be best for her. As Rin's correctly pointed out, however, all three of them have not asked the person at the center of all this - namely her - what she wants to do and how she feels. And given her strength of will and character as well as what she thinks to herself in Chapter 34, three bets she's not going to take that lying down...
The Lunar Archivist
|2008-02-23, 18:11
|Link #787
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Aoki is just dumb crap...he hasn't even seen Rin's real father yet but already makes up his mind about getting her to go with him...I wil lawl so hard if some drunktard appears at the front door (*dreams* ).
It's like if my mother came and ask me if I was still a virgin *WTF face*
I might buy the set when it is complete for collection sakes...and maybe I can read later when I get better at the language
|2008-02-23, 21:13
|Link #788
Join Date: Oct 2007
It would be hilarious if Rin's father turned out to a crossdresser or a transvestite or something. :P
The Lunar Archivist
|2008-02-23, 23:17
|Link #789
I My Me Strawberry Eggs
|2008-02-24, 01:54
|Link #790
Join Date: Oct 2007
First, there's this:
The left translation is by Nanashi Rorikon Yarou Domo and the right one by SaHa. There's a marked difference between being separated from the father of your child and divorced from him, for starters. Second, no matter which way you slice it, both suggest that Aki was either married or that she had a common-law husband since you can't divorce or separate from a boyfriend. However, in later chapters, both Aki and Reiji state that she only had a boyfriend who broke up with her, which conflicts with this information regardless...
Either way, though, all Aoki knows is that Rin's father and mother weren't living together when she started school there, which is about the most general factual statement you can make about all this. Do we have any Japanese speakers here who can make sense of this?
The Lunar Archivist
|2008-02-24, 02:45
|Link #791
Kazumi sure is cute...
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Jacksonville Florida
Age: 34
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I enjoyed your breakdown of the characters known info. It makes things seem more reasonable and understandable. I love it when people put thought into their posts (regardless of if I agree with them or not), it always causes me to look at things differently...
|2008-02-25, 07:38
|Link #792
Silent Warrior
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Netherlands
Age: 32
I'm not sure what to think, but we really don't enough if we can call the father a bastard. First of all it would make no sense what so ever if they where actually married that the father would want to abort the child he had with his wife. So I think it's save to asume they weren't married.
If you somehow unintentionally get someone pregnant. Are you really so sure you wouldn't consider abortion? The guy might not even have the means to raise the child. Or just not ready yet to enter parrenthood. If the mother decides to have the child. He sudenly lost the right to see or care for his own flesh and blood? It might be even the case after the guy said to abort Rin, Aki dicided not to see or contact the father anymore.
Still if you look at it realistically. Rather then good or bad he might just be human. He wants to see his daughter. A bad guy would just ditch her period. Though he could be psyco that just want so see his daugther just to abuse her, but somehow I don't think that's the case. He could've been someone selfish in the past but over the years he might have matured.
My thoughts atm are along the lines of Aoki though. My mind is open for change and I think Aoki is the same.
I think the ideal situation would be that Rin lives with her father. Ofcourse with the thought that the father is a decent guy.
Last edited by 2H-Dragon; 2008-02-25 at 07:51.
|2008-02-26, 19:27
|Link #793
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Age: 30
If it really is the beginning of the end of KnJ then its really disappointing. I don't think we've gotten enough character development for shirai and some of the others.
It would also be interesting if Shirai turned out to be Aoki's love interest instead of Houin. Although she's sort of cold, she is a women after all and she has shown some signs of *probably* liking Aoki. Such as the "Am i jealous?" comment she made a while back.
|2008-02-27, 01:02
|Link #794
I disagree with you all.
Join Date: Dec 2005
|2008-02-27, 04:41
|Link #795
Silent Warrior
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Netherlands
Age: 32
I highly someone whould take the trouble to look for his daughter and getting a lawyer after 10years just to exploit a penniless kid...
|2008-02-28, 09:01
|Link #797
Silent Warrior
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|2008-03-03, 19:24
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|2008-03-04, 00:39
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|2008-03-04, 23:26
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