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Ackis Recipe List
What it does
Ackis Recipe List is an AddOn which will scan your trade skills and provide information on how to obtain recipes.
French (frFR) - Ackis Recipe List est un addon qui analyse vos métiers et fournit des informations sur la façon d'obtenir les recettes manquantes.
German (deDE) - Ackis Recipelist ist ein AddOn, das deine Berufe durchsucht und dir mitteilt, wo du fehlende Rezepte bekommst.
Korean (koKR) - Ackis Recipe List|1은;는; 당신의 전문 기술들을 훑어서 제조법들을 얻는 방법에 대한 정보를 제공할 애드온입니다. 룬 벼리기를 포함하여 모든 전문 기술들에 작용합니다.
Spanish (esES) - Ackis Recipe List es un addon que escanea tus habilidades comerciales y provee información de cómo obtener las recetas.
Simplified Chinese (zhCN) - 扫描并告知如何获取缺失配方的详细商业技能信息插件。
Traditional Chinese (zhTW) - 掃描並告知如何獲取缺失配方的詳細商業技能訊息插件。
Brazilian Portuguese (ptBR) - Ackis Recipe List é um addon que irá escanear suas profissões e lhe provirá informações de como obter receitas.
Latin America Spanish (esMX) - Ackis Recipe List es un addon que escanea tus habilidades comerciales y provee información de cómo obtener las recetas.
Italian (itIT) - Ackis Recipe List è un addon che scansiona le tue competenze nelle professioni e fornisce informazioni su come ottenere ricette.
Russian (ruRU) - Сканирует ваши профессии и составляет список отсутствующих рецептов. Также отображает информацию о способах их приобретения.
Profession AddOns
Due to the increasing data size and memory usage with each WoW expansion, the professions have been split into their own AddOns; you need only download the ones you'll be using. Each installed and enabled profession AddOn will load whenever it's first accessed by the ARL core.
You can either download the Ackis Recipe List Addon Pack which has Ackis Recipe List's core and all profession AddOns, or install the profession AddOns separately:
- Alchemy
- Blacksmithing
- Cooking
- Enchanting
- Engineering
- First Aid
- Inscription
- Jewelcrafting
- Leatherworking
- Mining
- Tailoring
Note that Ackis Recipe List will not work without the AddOn for the profession you are trying to scan. If you attempt to scan a profession that is not installed, you will be informed.
Where to get it
- WoW Ace - Alpha Quality
- Curse - Stable release
- WoWInterface - Stable release
Do this first
Read the documentation located at these locations:
How to get it to work
You open up a trade skill window (ie: Enchanting) and click on the Scan button which is attached to the trade skill window. Results will be printed out to the chat frame, or into a separate window depending on preference.
Command Line
Ackis Recipe List has a GUI to change parameters. Type /arl to open up the GUI. Acceptable commands include:
- Opens up the about panel, listing information about the mod:
/arl about
- Opens up the sorting options:
/arl sort
/arl sorting
- Scan a profession:
/arl scan profession
- Opens up in-game documentation regarding ARL:
/arl documentation
- Opens up display options:
/arl display
- Opens up profile options:
/arl profile
- Prints out a list of all the profession tradeskill links:
/arl tradelinks
- Opens up the sorting options:
Ackis Recipe List will behave differently depending on which modifying keys you use to click.
Scan Button
This is the functionality that occurs when you are clicking the scan button.
- Normal Click
- Performs a scan of the current tradeskill displaying recipes in a new window.
- Shift Click
- Generates a text dumping of the current tradeskill in a format (CSV, XML, BBC) specified by the user.
- Alt Click
- Removes all waypoints on the World Map and Mini-map generated by ARL.
- Ctrl Click
- Provides development code for use when updating trainers, vendors, etc in the recipe database.
This is the functionality that occurs when you click on a recipe.
- Normal Click
- Expands or contracts the recipe acquire information.
- Shift Click
- Generates an item link of the item that the recipe will make into your default chat box.
- Ctrl Click
- Generates a spell link for the recipe you clicked.
- Alt Click
- Adds or removes a recipe from the exclusion list.
- Ctrl-Shift Click
- Adds the specific recipe acquire methods to the World Map and Mini-map.
Contacting the Authors
Please use the bug reporting feature to submit bug reports. Do not contact us via Curse PM. Do not submit bug reports in comments.
Feel free to join us on irc at [[irc://irc.freenode.net:6667|Freenode]] in the channel #arl
Freenode Webchat
Freenode has come up with their alternative to Mibbit. Webchat
Known Issues
- When gaining a reputation level recipes for that faction will still appear in red when doing a scan.
- Recipe acquire information is slightly inaccurate. We are updating recipes daily as information is identified. If you find something inaccurate or wrong, submit a ticket here and we will get it updated.
Feature Requests/Bug Reporting
Read the Bug Reporting and Feature Requesting information before submitted a bug report or feature request. Posting reports in the comments is not the place to do so. Ackis had to turn off the comments at Curse.com because of constant bug reports and feature requests. Comments are for questions on how to use the mod, or you can see the thread on WoW Ace. Please follow these small little instructions to make our lives easier. The easier you make development for Ackis Recipe List, the more time we will have to develop other addons.
Bug Reports
Please use the WoW Ace tracker to file bug reports. Posting bugs in the comments is not the place to do it.
Feature Request
Please use the WoW Ace tracker to add suggestions and feature requests. Not all suggestions will be accepted: there are many people who use this addon, each with separate views. We will, however, try to make it as user friendly as possible...but when a decision is made please accept it.
Ackis Recipe List strives to integrate with existing trade skill mods out there. If you have a request for integration, please submit a feature request at WoW Ace. We make no promises to implement the feature at all. There is a limited API documented to interface with the ARL database. If you are a developer and would like more functions, please contact us on IRC. Currently, the mod works with:
If your mod should be on this list, please submit a ticket.
Detailed Documentation
- Bug Reporting and Feature Requestiing
- In-game Documentation
- Localization
- YouTube Videos and External Reviews
- Ideas for the mod came from FGTradeLacker (original mod no longer updated, however someone has taken over updating the recipes for it).
- Ace community for listening to my questions on the IRC channel and helping me out, and fellow mod authors for developing such great add-ons.
- Please see the X-Credits field for more Acknowledgments. Any code snippets borrowed or inspired from are credited in the code files. The main display also lists all people who are in X-Credits.
- Everyone who has helped me with localizations.
Hi. As of 7.3 with the update to the main addon and all modules, Ackis not only hangs while scanning i.e., "acquisition" or by level recipes, but often does not recover and I have to restart my game. This is pretty new. In the past, Ackis would briefly hang whilst scanning but now it just seems to crash more often than not.
TIA for fixing this if possible :)
Would you please make available a Pack of all the Ackis Recipe List Addons for download. It is a nuisance to add a further 12 downloads to the regular cycle of addon downloads.
Incidentally, the addons are small compared to any other addon and thus there is minimal gain by splitting, only added hassle in management. Also, since a user of Ackis Recipe List scans the recipes of their guild mates and friends only the rare person that isn't in a guild and doesn't have any friends could have any gain from this minor reduction in size.
#226 nelegalno2 Posted Jun 4, 2014
@Torhal , you are correct that this partially solves the old problem with the waste of space and overwrite cycles for files without changes but now we have to watch 12 addons for changes. Plus all the confusion this change will cause while the userbase realizes why ARL isn't working.
I think a separation to 2 addons (core and professions) would be a better solution than to 12.Last edited by nelegalno2: Jun 4, 2014
#224 nelegalno2 Posted Jun 4, 2014
Dear authors, how about giving us a single archive with all the modules instead of forcing us to download 12 separated addons? What is the point now that you have added the on demand loading? Also you should consider adding a module detection so the addon will know what is present when loaded and not try to load the missing ones for the people that tend to delete the ones they don't use.
I support jasriel's request for filtering options based on profession specialization, tough not only for engineering.
@Carnacki Nice math Carnacki, UNFORTUNATELY it have nothing to do with the real life of a drive ... BTW why do you think every SSD maker is offering special software to disable OS features in order to minimize the writes it makes? Thats is equivalent to telling me that a HDD working 24/7 will live as long with it's power options set to OFF as one with them set to ON if they have the same R/W load (disregarding the fact that 2/3 of the time the drive is not being used) ...
P.S. In general I'm against all the useless operations - for example overwriting a file just because the author decided he should include a field containing the program's revision number in each file's comment field, removing the previous version and reinstalling the new one instead of just downloading and updating the files that have changed since, not optimizing the code just because the modern systems "can handle it" or using XX GB's of space for useless features just because the price per GB is dirt cheap and the programmers can't be bothered to waste >1h to add detection and the option not to install them.
I think Ackis is one of the best addon-ons out there, however I would like to suggest something to help engineers using it. There are 3 parts to engineering which make it hard to locate recipes you can use, there is regular engineering, goblin engineering, and gnomish engineering. Being that I am a goblin engineer, I am sitting there trying to find patterns I can use but I come across so many gnomish ones, and in a lot of cases have to make long trips to a location to get there and find out I cannot use the pattern. So my point to al of this is, could you add something (a filter of some kind) to allow filtering of the gnomish versus the goblin engineering?
@Nelegalno2: SSD is much less of a problem than most people thing. And the problem you're talking about is unlikely to affect us in the realistic lifespan of an SSD.
http://ef.gy/statistics:ssd-write-endurance http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm
#221 nelegalno2 Posted Nov 15, 2013
Updating from v2.5.9 to v2.5.9-1-ga12625e would mean overwriting 42 files (3,14MB) [the ones marked by the authors as changed/updated], but it actually has only 3 files (347KB) with code updates. For more info: http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl/tickets/1596-annoyance-feature-dangerous-for-the-live-of-ssd-flash/
P.S. This is very bad for the life of SSD disks when the game is installed on them.Last edited by nelegalno2: Nov 15, 2013
#219 Marthisdil Posted Dec 31, 2012
Would it be possible to have an option for ARL *not* base it's look on the tradeskill frame , etc, look?
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Thanks so much Meg!
I didn't mean to say that you were suggesting weaning the supplement. Our IBCLC wants us to start weaning it because she thinks he likely has bottle preference and doesn't need as much supplement as he is taking. I called today and have a scale coming this week so we will be able to do weighted feeds at home to get a better assessment of how much supplement he really needs.
In terms of milk production, I am BFARing but seems to make enough milk (I am on domperidone). Initially I think my hormonally driven milk supply was good although around 8-10 weeks (when my hormones changed) my milk supply dropped dramatically which I think was due to poor milk transfer and decreased demand due to TT. We had my DS's PTT and ULT revised at 8 weeks, which was likely the reason for his poor milk transfer. Now it's so hard to tell if he still has poor transfer or if he is just used to the bottle.
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Suffolk, ss. Division of Administrative Law Appeals
Manuel Goncalves,
v. Docket No. CR-06-463
Teachers' Retirement System,
Appearance for Petitioner:
Manuel Goncalves, pro se
523 Sanford Road
Westport, MA 02790
Appearance for Respondent:
James O'Leary, Esq.
Teachers' Retirement System
One Charles Park
Cambridge, MA 02142
Administrative Magistrate:
Maria A. Imparato, Esq.
Manuel Goncalves filed a timely appeal under G. L. c. 32, s. 16 (4) of the June 27, 2006 decision of the Teachers' Retirement System to exclude from regular compensation for computing his retirement allowance the additional pay he received for working 14 extra days during the 2003-2004 school year. (Exs. 1, 2)
I held a hearing on March 6, 2008 at the office of the Division of Administrative Law Appeals, 98 North Washington Street, Boston.
I admitted documents into evidence. (Exs. 1 - 5) I marked the Petitioner's pre-hearing memorandum "A" for identification, and the Respondent's pre-hearing memorandum "B" for identification. The Petitioner testified. There is one tape cassette of the hearing.
Exhibit 3 marked at hearing comprised several pages from the Administrator's Association contract. Post hearing, the Board submitted the entire contract which is now marked as Exhibit 3.
1. Manuel Goncalves, d.o.b. 4/25/1949, worked for the Fall River Public Schools from September 1, 1972 until he retired for superannuation effective July 1, 2006. (Testimony, Ex. 4, "B")
2. Mr. Goncalves work as a teacher from 1972 to 1987. He held the position of Equal Opportunity Educational Planner from 1987 until his retirement. (Testimony, "B")
3. In December 2003 Mr. Goncalves took on an additional position of Bilingual Director by agreement with the school Superintendent. Mr. Goncalves performed this second job by working extra time through the year, including after school and during the summer vacation. (Testimony)
4. Mr. Goncalves's pay for the job of Bilingual Director was determined by state and federal grants that provided money for "professional development." (Testimony)
5. Mr. Goncalves's agreement with the Superintendent was not reduced to writing. (Testimony)
6. Mr. Goncalves's salary and working days in his EOEP position was governed by the contract negotiated between the Fall River School Committee and the Fall River Administrators' Association ("Contract"). (Ex. 3)
7. The Contract provides that a work year for all Administrators shall be 185 days. The Contract further provides that Administrators on Level II, as Mr. Goncalves was, "will be available for work twenty (20) additional days beyond the 'work year.'" (Ex. 3, p. 23)
8. Mr. Goncalves's work year as provided for in the Contract is therefore 205 days. (185 + 20 = 205).
9. In school year 2003 - 2004, Mr. Goncalves worked 219 days. The extra 14 days were days he spent working during the summer in his second position of Bilingual Director. (Ex. 5, Testimony)
10. It is the 14 extra days that Mr. Goncalves spent on the duties of Bilingual Director during the summer of 2004 that the Board determined does not constitute regular compensation for purposes of calculating Mr. Goncalves's retirement allowance. (Ex. 1, Testimony) Mr. Goncalves appealed. (Ex. 2)
The decision of the Teachers' Retirement System is affirmed. The pay received by Manuel Goncalves for working 14 extra days during the summer of 2004 in the position of Bilingual Director does not constitute regular compensation and shall not be used in the calculation of his retirement allowance.
G. L. c. 32, s. 5 (2) (a) provides that a superannuation retirement allowance shall be "based on the average annual rate of regular compensation received by such member" during the member's last three years, or highest paid three years, of creditable service.
Regular compensation as defined in G. L. c. 32, s. 1 is "salary, wages or other compensation … lawfully determined for the individual service of an employee. In the case of a teacher employed in a public days school who is a member of the teachers' retirement system, salary payable under the terms of an annual contract for additional services in such school … shall be regarded as regular compensation …" (emphasis supplied)
Under the Board's regulation, 807 CMR 6.02, the term regular compensation includes "salary payable under the terms of an annual contract for additional services" so long as the additional services are set forth in the annual contract; the additional services are educational in nature; the remuneration for the services provided is set forth in the annual contract; and the additional services are performed during the school year.
Under 807 CMR 6.01, the annual contract, in the case of an Administrator, "is the individual employment agreement which governs the rights of the member whether it is a one year of multi-year agreement."
The Administrators' Contract governs the rights of the Petitioner in his position of EOEP. It does not set forth the additional services provided by the Petitioner as Bilingual Director, nor does it set forth his remuneration for those services. Although the services were educational in nature, some of the additional services were not performed during the school year.
The Petitioner performed these extra duties and received extra pay pursuant to an oral agreement made with the Superintendent. The additional services were therefore determined outside of the Contract and were not subject to bargaining. The remuneration the Petitioner received does not, therefore, meet the definition of regular compensation.
The decision of the Board is affirmed.
Maria A. Imparato
Administrative Magistrate
This information is provided by the Division of Administrative Law Appeals .


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joelie1274 necesitaba un nuevo diseño de logotipo y lanzó un concurso de diseño en 99designs.
Un ganador ha sido elegido entre 168 diseños de 38 diseñadores freelance.
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Prima Hotels Group (http://prima.co.il/Index.aspx?Lang=eng) is launching a new hotel to add to its well established boutique hotel concept. Adjacent to its recently renovated Prima Galil Hotel in Tiberias, Prima Too will provide travelers with a quality, lower budget alternative to its current portfolio. The concept for Prima Too includes limited service, i.e. limited food service options compared to the other Prima hotels.
Budget-minded travelers and families. As analogy: Prima Too will be to the Prima Hotels group, as Courtyard by Marriott is to Marriott, or Holiday Inn Express is to Holiday Inn.
Attached is a sample of the Prima Galil and Prima Hotels logos and make sure to look at the Prima website: prima.co.il.
Some guidelines/thoughts
- The logo may conform to the "Prima [image] Too" format, but doesn't have to.
- The logo should convey something more modern, basic, and "younger" than Prima Galil and other Prima Hotels.
- One concept we envision for the center icon or other part of the logo incorporates the number two "2" in an "old typewriter" style as a play on the word "too" in Prima Too. THIS IS NOT A REQUIREMENT, NOR IS THE INCLUSION OF THE NUMBER "2" IN THE LOGO.
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So, the QUT Cliffhangers has this awesome gallery software for you to put your photos on. It is really easy to use when you know how! This is a little guide to help those of you less computer literate.
So your first question is probably WHERE IS THIS GALLERY?!
If you look up in the top right corner of any page of the forum, just a bit below the search box there is a link that says "Gallery 2". This will take you there. There is also a link from the club website.
Now that you are in the gallery feel free to have a look around! There are already heaps of interesting pictures from all over the place!
To put your own pictures up you will need to be logged into the forum. If you don't have an account yet you can create one by clicking the "register" link. It is right next to the "Gallery 2" link in the top right corner.
Access your album by clicking the "Your Album" button in the top right region.
All the controls you need are over the right hand side.
There are three that will be most relevant to most people:
Add Album: For creating an entire new album, e.g. to put the photos of your aWesome weekend trip.
Add Comment: For if you want to comment on a photo, or an entire album! You can use this on other people's album's too!
Add Item: To add photos to an existing album (after you create it!)
You are probably quite versed in how to upload images using a web applet, and there is one under the "add item" list. It works just like facebook or any other website. However there is a MUCH better way to get ALL your photos up in one go.
The easiest way to get pictures up is with this magic tool that comes with Windows called "publish to web". To do this first click "Add Items" then click "Windows XP". From there click the link to download the .reg file. Once it is downloaded run it and choose yes when asked to add it to the registry. This file tells the windows upload applet where the QUT cliffhangers gallery is. You only ever need to do this once on your computer.
If for some reason you don't want to put that on your computer, you can use one of the other methods here. I recommend the "From Web Browser". The "Upload Applet" has been known to stuff up your pictures so you may want to avoid it!
Now, go to where your pictures are and click "Publish this folder to Web". If instead of options like this you see a list of folders on the left side you can hide that by clicking the little 'x' next to the "folders" heading.
Now follow the helpful prompts that Windows gives you, making sure to Select "Gallery at http://www.qutcliffhangers.com" for where you want to upload the files.
The next page lets you choose where you want to put the photos in your directory. As you add more and more albums you will have lots to choose from here. You can also put albums inside other albums. To create a new album at the top most level select your username and click the "new album button".
The next page contains info for the album you are creating, fill it in as you see fit. When you have created your album (or if you are adding to an old album) select the album name and click "Next".
You can probably ignore the settings on the next page, so hit next and you will get the "adjust image size window". On this choose "large" or leave them at full size. After hitting next it will upload the images.
Once they are done open the web page and admire your handywork!
How to use the QUT Cliffhangers Photo Gallery
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I think someone should make this a sticky.
PS, thanks for the great instruction mooj. I finally managed to load my photos onto the club gallery
PS, thanks for the great instruction mooj. I finally managed to load my photos onto the club gallery
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and.... please.... remember to look at the weird shit
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well ive just uploaded my first pics, some from yesterday at greville and summer holidays in Kazakhstan
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I'm fairly sure this is no longer relevant, so I'm going to unpin this
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The mission of the Missouri Master Gardener program is to train volunteers to educate others about safe, effective and sustainable horticultural practices that build healthy gardens, landscapes and communities. The Missouri Master Gardener program strives to provide in-depth horticultural training to individuals throughout Missouri who then volunteer their time applying what they have learned to help others in their communities learn about gardening and environmental stewardship. Additionally, the Missouri Master Gardener program raises public awareness throughout Missouri of University of Missouri Extension as a source of unbiased, research-based gardening information.
The Morrill Act of 1862 established what are commonly called land-grant colleges. This congressional action set aside 30,000 acres of federal land for each member of congress in eligible states. This land, or the proceeds from its sale, was to be used toward establishing and funding educational institutions whose purpose is: To teach such branches of learning as are related to agriculture and the mechanic arts in order to promote the liberal and practical education of the industrial classes. The University of Missouri is one of 106 land-grant colleges in the United States and the only one in Missouri. As a land-grant institution, the University of Missouri has three missions: teaching, research and extension. Early in our nations history, universities found that the delivery of information directly to farmers and other workers did not fit the traditional classroom model. The Cooperative Extension Service resulted from the effort to reach more people on their home territory and was authorized by the Smith-Lever Act of 1914. This act allowed land-grant universities, such as the University of Missouri, and county commissions to form offices that develop educational programs that meet local needs.
University of Missouri Extension is a partnership between the University of Missouri and the United States Department of Agriculture in cooperation with local governments and local people. The Board of Curators of the University established the Extension Division in 1910. Ever since then, University of Missouri Extension has been helping people make their lives better. Initially, the Extension program concentrated on working with farmers and their families, which comprised a significant portion of the states population. The goal was to improve their quality of life and standard of living. Extension professionals, often called county agents, demonstrated how to produce more and better varieties of agricultural commodities; how to benefit from better nutrition, clothing and housing; and how to work together to bring about major community improvements.
As the population shifted to the cities, Missouris Extension programs expanded to include programs for urban and suburban populations. Examples of these programs include business and workforce development, community development, nutritional education and healthy eating, and housing and financial education.
The Master Gardener program began in the early 1970s, when the Washington State University Extension Service sought to respond to the many gardening questions that resulted from the rapidly increasing level of interest in home gardening. The concept they originated was to train knowledgeable gardener volunteers to help the university Extension staff deliver home gardening information to the public. From the first group of Seattle area Master Gardeners in 1972, the program has spread nationwide. All 50 states and several Canadian provinces now have Master Gardener programs.
The Master Gardener Program has a long, proud history as part of University of Missouri Extension. Missouris program was established in 1983 by the Department of Horticulture and was fashioned after the Master Gardener program model created by Washington State. To date, nearly 10,000 Missourians have gone through Master Gardener training.
Currently, Missouri has more than 2,000 active Master Gardeners organized in nearly 50 local affiliations or chapters. In 2011, the Missouri Master Gardener Association was formed to better organize local affiliations and allow them to function as 503c3 tax-exempt organizations.
Missouri citizens have come to depend on MU Extension and Master Gardener volunteers for nonbiased, research-based information and assistance to learn best horticultural practices and solve home landscape problems. Nearly all Missouri counties have Master Gardeners, making the Master Gardener program one of the most recognized and visible Extension programs in the state.
The mission of the University of Missouri Extension Master Gardener program is to support Extension by providing trained volunteers to educate the public using research-based information on the best practices in consumer horticulture and environmental stewardship. The Master Gardener program strives to provide a friendly, supportive environment for its volunteers so their training, experience and enthusiasm will produce maximum benefits for their communities.
The Missouri Master Gardener program is administered by the University of Missouri Extension Master Gardener Leadership Team either through the regional coordinator, where one exists, or directly to local programs. Local program coordination may vary, depending on initial structure and size. Master Gardeners may be guided directly by an advisory or steering committee or through a local or regional coordinator.
The core course of instruction for Missouri Master Gardeners includes the following topics:
Additional topics may be included with approval of a local, regional or state coordinator.
The Missouri Master Gardener training manual is published by University of Missouri Extension.
Recruitment of Master Gardener Trainees is based on a local team action plan and an established need for local Master Gardener volunteer activities. Applicants to the program must be at least 16 years old and must complete and submit the standardized Master Gardener application form. Additionally, applicants must complete and sign the Master Gardener Volunteer Agreement and Exchange of Services Agreement. These agreements lay the groundwork for volunteer involvement in the Master Gardener program. They ensure that participants have a clear understanding of the programs goals. Copies of the signed agreements are to be kept by the local or regional program coordinator and the trainee.
Before individuals may become Master Gardener Trainees, they must first receive orientation to the program, including a review of University of Missouri Extension policies and volunteer opportunities at the local program level.
All completed forms are considered confidential. The forms will be reviewed by the local or regional program coordinator and kept at the local Extension office. Applications and in-person interviews may be used to determine if candidates are appropriate for the program.
Final decisions for acceptance into the program will be made without regard to race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, age, disability or status as a protected veteran.
To ensure that all Master Gardeners receive the basic resources they need for the job, the state Master Gardener office requires a fee for core course training. For this fee, each Master Gardener Trainee will receive the following:
Local training sites may increase the training fee if additional expenses for facilities, copying, mailings, press releases, refreshments, etc. are incurred. Copies of Grounds for Gardening will be available through the state Master Gardener Office, and a discount will be given for bulk orders.
No fee will be required of Active Master Gardeners and Master Gardeners Emeritus who attend core course sessions for review.
No more than three classes may be missed from core course training, and all missed classes must be made up. Videotapes of topics contained in the core course manual for class makeup are available from the State Master Gardener Office.
Active Master Gardeners are required to complete six hours of continuing education yearly. The nature of what may be counted as continuing education will be at the discretion of the local or regional program coordinator or the Master Gardener Leadership Team. The basic guideline is that continuing education should augment and reinforce the Master Gardener core course training.
Additionally, Master Gardeners are encouraged to undergo advanced training. This training is considered more formal than continuing education and must be taught by an approved instructor. The instructor must be a qualified horticulturist or well-known speaker in the field of horticulture. Thirty hours of advanced training covering at least three horticulture disciplines and completed within five years are required to earn the title of Advanced Master Gardener. No more than 10 hours per discipline can be applied to the 30-hour total, and hands-on advanced training experiences are preferred.
The Missouri Master Gardener program trains volunteers to educate others about safe, effective and sustainable horticultural practices that build healthy gardens, landscapes and communities. Master Gardener trainees are expected to volunteer a minimum of 30 hours. Local Master Gardener coordinators have the prerogative to require more than the minimum and need to be consulted. Most trainees find this volunteer component rewarding, and sometimes even more educational than time spent in the classroom. Trainees have one year to complete their initial volunteer service.
Upon completion of their initial volunteer commitment, trainees become certified as Missouri Master Gardeners. To maintain active status, a Missouri Master Gardener must provide at least 20 hours of volunteer service each year.
Volunteering as a Master Gardener is a benevolent act but certain guidelines should be followed. Adherence to these guidelines will help to maintain the integrity of the program as well as public trust. Missouri Master Gardener volunteers are representatives of University of Missouri Extension. Master Gardeners are to represent both MU Extension and the Master Gardener program with dignity and pride. They are to perform their duties in a professional and timely manner. They should at all times be courteous and respectful to others, dress appropriately, be responsible and accountable for personal actions, and abstain from the use of alcohol when representing MU Extension. Additionally, Missouri Master Gardener volunteer service activities must adhere to University of Missouri Extensions nondiscrimination policy, which states that equal opportunity is extended to all participants in Extension programs and activities without discrimination on the basis of their race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, age, disability or status as a protected veteran. Special accommodations because of a disability will be provided to Extension program participants whenever possible.
Activities that may be counted toward the required number of volunteer service hours are determined at the discretion of local or regional program coordinators, working in conjunction with the Master Gardener Leadership Team. All service activities must contribute to the goals and mission of local Extension programs, and no Master Gardener may gain financially from volunteer service. This topic will be covered in greater detail in the Avoiding conflicts of interest section below.
Individual consultation with friends and neighbors can be counted as volunteer time if proper documentation is given. Local coordinators may limit the amount of individual consultation hours.
Volunteer service may be done in a dual capacity. For example, a Master Gardener may also be a member of a garden club or other civic group that requires service activity. As long as individuals identify themselves as Missouri Master Gardeners and have the local coordinators approval, the volunteer activity may count for both organizations.
An example of activity that does not count as volunteer Master Gardener time is that of a garden center employee being paid by her or his employer to conduct a plant clinic. Even though the employee may be a Missouri Master Gardener or trainee, the paid time does not qualify as volunteer service.
Missouri Master Gardeners may collect fees or honoraria to cover expenses and operating costs associated with approved service activities, but they are not to profit from these activities. For example, an individual Master Gardener may collect mileage for travel to approved programs, be reimbursed for supplies used in a service project, or be reimbursed for telephone expenses and postage related to Master Gardener programs. Honoraria or other gratuities received, other than mileage, for speaking engagements shall be turned over to the local Master Gardener group. Failure to do so disqualifies the activity as Master Gardener volunteer service.
Missouri Master Gardeners are responsible for documenting and reporting their volunteer hours. Volunteer hours for approved programs should be reported online using the Missouri Master Gardener Service Hours Web page, http://report.missourimastergardener.com. Individuals without Internet access may report their hours to their local Master Gardener coordinator.
Volunteer reports are important in assessing the value of the Missouri Master Gardener program to the state and to MU Extension. The value of an individual Master Gardeners volunteer time may seem insignificant, but when the efforts of the thousands of Master Gardeners statewide are totaled, the value of the donated service is worth over $1 million annually.
The federal government requires Extension to keep track of client ethnicity to document nondiscrimination in delivery of programs. Master Gardener volunteers have the same responsibility as regular Extension employees for maintaining program standards.
The Master Gardener program is a University of Missouri Extension public service aimed at providing unbiased, research-based horticultural information and education. Master Gardener training and projects must be Extension-related, educational activities that represent the interests of University of Missouri Extension. Service activities or projects that compete with the private sector should be avoided. At no time will Master Gardener activities be associated with commercial activity or products, and Master Gardener activities do not imply University endorsement of any product or place of business.
The title Missouri Master Gardener and its associated logo are to be used exclusively by Master Gardeners trained and certified under the auspices of University of Missouri Extension. Only those individuals certified in the program after completing the core instruction may call themselves Missouri Master Gardeners. Certified individuals are not to advertise themselves as Missouri Master Gardeners in their names or places of business, nor to be listed as such in business advertising. Association with commercial activities or products, or implying University endorsement of any product or place of business, is a violation of Missouri Master Gardener program policies.
Fundraising is a necessity for many volunteer programs, and the Master Gardener Program is no exception. Master Gardener groups often generate revenue for their program through plant sales, garden tours, speaker fees, horticulture days, grant writing and donations from area residents and businesses. Money generated is used to fund local projects, to cover expenses associated with meetings and special events, to provide scholarships for core course training, and to work with schools and other organizations to promote gardening by young people.
Although fundraising might be a necessity, it is not part of the Missouri Master Gardener mission. Thus, time spent fundraising should not represent an excessive amount of a Master Gardeners volunteer effort. Additionally, fundraising activities, such as plant sales, often compete with the private or business sector. Therefore, discretion should be used relative to the scope of fundraising activities and the transparency with which the money raised is used to benefit the community.
Missouri Master Gardeners who have completed both core course training and the initial volunteer requirement in Missouri are eligible to become Master Gardener volunteers in the location of their new residency. They will be subject to the guidelines of the new locale and may be required to take additional core course work as required in their new locality.
Master Gardener Trainees who have not completed their volunteer service before moving may be required to pass a local examination and to complete additional course work before becoming volunteers in their new locale.
Master Gardeners moving into Missouri from another state may be required to complete the entire Master Gardener training before volunteering in Missouri. Local program coordinators, in consultation with the Master Gardener Leadership Team, will determine whether a transferring Master Gardener needs further training. In addition, a transfer fee is required.
Individuals may be dismissed from the Missouri Master Gardener program for failure to complete educational training, volunteer service hours or required reports. Additionally, individuals who fail to represent the University of Missouri Extension in a professional and positive manner during the course of Master Gardener activities are subject to dismissal.
The University of Missouri provides defense and protection against loss, damage or expense for its employees, students and volunteers. The terms and conditions of coverage are outlined in the Universitys Collected Rules and Regulations 490.010. Full details of 490.010 can be found here.


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Subject: Counterfeit Cashier's Checks
Date: June 6, 2011
Description: The First National Bank of Wyoming
Counterfeit Cashier's Checks of The First National Bank of Wyoming, Wyoming, Delaware
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do NOT resign carle sign a top defensemen if pronger is going to be out long term again.... jagr will be gone at his number of 3 mil. I really like what wellwood brings to the game i think with more minutes next year he can provide spark for us next year. Hoprfully Bryz can work hard in the offseason to get to be a top 5 goalie we signed him to be and we can get back to work..
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Here's an idea, GET RID OF ***-ING BRYZGALOV!!! ... and I don't want to hear how "great" he was in the playoffs either!! He's a head case and needs to go! He's a cancer to this team!!! ..... Don't bring back Jagr either! He was useless in the playoffs! Finally, I hope Holmgren doesn't go out and waste picks or trade away a good player for Ryan Suter. We don't need a "Big name" over-paid defensemen!
yay offseason thread time!!
-Do not sign Carle, Kubina, or Jagr
-Resign Voracek for a 3 million hit; Bourdon, Homstrom, Harry Z, Sestito to 2 way minor deals
-Will have roughly 6 million in available cap AFTER Pronger's salary is buried in LTIR. Usually can only use 4-5 million of that.
If I am GM, I want 2 things for this team: Ryan Sutter and a natural goal scorer for this team. We just dont have one. Like the role Gaborik plays for NYR. But I also want a new body at defense.
Ryan Sutter will probably cost 7 million. We would have to dump a salary, and if its Hartnells, thats a lot of goals to replace... Briere at 6.5 million, you can basically chose, A guy that scores clutch goals in the post season, or a guy that should prevent goals all season long...
I move Briere, sign Sutter in FA, and have 5 million to spend on a guy to score goals.
(or you could have Rick Nash and Luke Schenn)
Last edited by Randall Stevens; 05-09-2012 at 08:36 AM.
you dont even know what "cancer" to a team means. He is not cancer to this team. You could actually argue a couple things, but he's not cancer.
you can't just "get rid of him," if you cut him/buy him out, his salary is still on the cap. And nobody will trade for a contract that long with that much salary.
can't wait until the hype of the playoffs are over so bandwagon contributors like yourself disappear.
I don't think they move Briere...I also think Homer likes Carle for some reason so there is a chance he's back.
I think Jagr is gone for sure as well as Kubina.
I think they'd want to sign Suter, but I think a team like Detroit will throw a blank check at him.
i have to wait until the dust settles on this mess to make any real contributions to this thread. just a couple of things to point out, and things i can say.
- bartulis.....does he finally see the NHL next year?
- carle needs to go (although sources through the Flyers have been saying they want him back)
- jagr needs to take a significant paycut or he needs to go; he looked worn down by the end of the devils series
- kubina is gone
- voracek should and will be signed
- bob should probably be moved (although you really can't get much for him after the year he had; at this point it's mostly just to clear more salary)
- schenn and couts need to work HARD this summer; i want to see them come back faster, stronger, and more prepared now that they have a year of NHL hockey under their belts (in particular, i want to see couts put on some weight, start adding to that big frame he has)
- coburn and grossmann need to be the #1 pair next season. not just because they were the best defensive pairing for the team since they were put together, but kimmo is REALLY starting to show his age out there now
- gut feeling is one of briere/hartnell/JVR is moved. i HATE to include JVR in that mix, because i really still believe in that kid. i think a full year of health could do him good. it's just a gut feeling that one (no more than 1) of those 3 will be moved
i'm sticking to in-house stuff right now. don't wanna speculate on outside stuff.
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Don't think they move Briere...I think they're more then open to moving JVR. Hartnell could go depending on how contract talks go. His value is at his highest, but I think he appears to be incredibly well liked. Not sure how that would go over..seems like a desperation move.
Now that I've been schooled, lol, so happy you are a bandwagon poster on this board and you weren't here all season.
Cancer is someone that greatly affects the performance of the rest of the team. You saying Bryz's post game comments affects Girouxs ability to set up a goal?
good luck with that
Full summer off to rehab, just gotta hope JVR returns as a 30 goal scorer.
I had a very similar list and statement in the game thread last night, but mine was Hartnell/Briere/Timonen, just one being asked to waive their NMC just like Gagne 2 years ago.
The Phantom
The Flyers, in my mind, had a very good season. Especially with all the roster changes that happened before the season even started. Holmgren took last year's team and totally changed the face of it with two very bold moves. What he was able to do was get this team younger, faster, more skilled, and more cohesive....
After seeing how this team performed together he has a better understanding of what else needs to be accomplished, roster-wise, to get us over the hump....
Carle should be gone - he had a terrible playoff and was exposed as a weak defender in my mind....
Jagr won't be resigned - I think he brought in here to show other players how to prepare for an NHL season and mentor Giroux...
Timonen - he could retire....He's 37 and looked very banged up in the last couple weeks...it could free up $6.3 million
Pavel Kubina - should not be re-signed...waste of a draft pick on Holmgren's part...but he needed to get an NHL defender in here because of injuries...
Jody Shelley - Waive him or keep him? $1.1 million is alot for a player who sits all season.
Briere and Hartnell aren't going anywhere because they have No-Movement clauses in their contracts...
Voracek - has to be re-signed. HE showed in the playoffs that with more playing time he could be a very productive player for this team. Keeping him on the 3rd line shouldn't be an option. He was definitely a top-6 forward against the Pens and Devils...
Bryzgalov - I'm praying the new collective bargaining agreement includes an amnesty clause in there and we can cut Bryz without cap repercussions....I still believe Snider had more to do with Bryzgalov getting signed here more then Holmgren....
This team is in very good shape for the future. I just wish the Flyers would get a "Larry Robinson" type assistant coach in here to get our defense positionally sound. We spent alot of time running around our zone this season and it cost us alot of games...
The Phantom
for the record, Randall i'm mostly speaking to you, i don't WANT JVR to get moved. i really don't. it's just a gut feeling of mine that one of hartnell/briere/JVR is gone.
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Boulder may have been the first to land Trader Joe's, but Denver appears to have pulled ahead in efforts to lay claim to the specialty grocer's first store to open in Colorado.
Construction workers this week broke ground on the Trader Joe's store off East Eight Avenue and Colorado Boulevard in Denver, said Alison Mochizuki, a spokeswoman for the Monrovia, Calif.-based chain that has won a rabid following for its unique products and discount "Two-Buck Chuck" wines.
The 18,000-square-foot Denver grocery store and adjoining liquor outlet -- per Colorado law, Trader Joe's only can sell wine, beer and spirits at one of its locations -- has a tentative opening slated for the fourth quarter of 2013, Mochizuki said.
Thirty miles to the northwest, a brick building that once housed an Applebee's restaurant still stands at 1906 28th St., the Twenty Ninth Street mall lot where the Boulder Trader Joe's will be located. The restaurant has sat empty since closing last May to make way for the new grocer.
"I would expect that building to come down shortly," said J.T. Fulton, property manager for the Twenty Ninth Street retail center. "We're still targeting a fall opening."
Kate Honea, Twenty Ninth Street's marketing manager, said the timeline remains on track for Trader Joe's to open in Boulder in October.
Mochizuki, of Trader Joe's, was less specific when reached Friday. The Boulder location is "scheduled to open this year," she said, noting she was unable to provide additional updates.
In May, Denver developer Jimmy Balafas said he was pushing for that city's store to open its doors first.
"The city of Denver wants to be the first to open," Balafas said at the time. "I hope we beat Boulder. I think we have a shot."
'Excited about them opening in Boulder'
If Denver does end up landing the first Trader Joe's to open in Colorado, the move will not negatively affect the Boulder location, Twenty Ninth Street's Fulton said.
"In terms of who brought Trader Joe's to Colorado, it was (Twenty Ninth Street owner) Macerich, and we're just fine with that," Fulton said. "We're more excited about them opening in Boulder than (beating Denver to the punch)."
Fulton said the former Applebee's building could be razed within the coming weeks. A demolition permit should be pulled after some utility work, notably the moving of a gas line, takes place, he said.
"It's a pretty quick process," Fulton said of the utility work.
Trader Joe's officials are in the final stages of the city of Boulder's technical document process, said Charles Ferro, land use review manager. Once that element is finalized, Trader Joe's can move into the building permit application phase, an approval process that could take up to 40 days, he said.
"They're inching very close to their TEC doc approval," Ferro said.
Getting Twenty Ninth Street ready
The arrival of Trader Joe's has been heralded by many in the Boulder region, from residents who have petitioned for the California grocer to come to Colorado to municipal leaders and industry officials who have said the store could become a regional draw and a boon to city coffers.
As new arrivals such as Trader Joe's and fast-fashion clothier H&M move forward on stores at Twenty Ninth Street, mall officials say they're investing a "substantial" amount of money to improve vehicle traffic within the center and direct parking to the underground parking lot. These efforts include re-signing the entire property and converting a "no-name street" -- between Burger King and B.J.'s Restaurant and Brewhouse -- into an official opening, Fulton said.
"We're limited in what we can do (in adding parking on the surface lots)," he said. "I think a big portion of that is getting folks educated and directing them to underground parking to mitigate surface parking."
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CAIRO (AP) — An Egyptian security official says a Libyan intelligence delegation has arrived in Egypt to negotiate the handover of wanted members of the former dictator Moammar Gadhafi's regime.
The official says the delegation that arrived on Thursday brought a new list of 88 names.
The visit comes two days after Egyptian authorities arrested Ahmed Qaddaf al-Dam, a former top aide to Gadhafi, at his home in Cairo. He was arrested along with two others wanted for their roles during the eight-month civil war in Libya that ended with ouster and killing of Gadhafi.
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Darryl Linington from ITF Gaming writes: Microsoft has finally come clean regarding everything related towards DRM and second hand games. However, once reading through the confessional, one tends to realise that the lockdown on second hand games as well as having access to an internet connection may not just be a Microsoft thing.
Sony wouldn't mess up, so I doubt the PS4 would be restricted!
Makes you wonder why Microsoft would go through with this when Sony was not, and why are Big Publishers supporting Sony if it still allows used games. I have a feeling Sony was too scared to go first seeing how rabid its fanbase is and Microsoft had the balls to come clean knowing that they will always have there loyal COD and Halo crowd to sell there systems no matter what they do.
" ..knowing that they will always have there loyal COD and Halo crowd to sell there systems no matter what they do. "
that is a very sad statement...
They had the balls to go first....real stand up guys over at MS...
this^^^ if people think that users arent going to experience similar restrictions on a very similar product they are crazy.
if im a publisher for example, i can make a game on one console where it cant be resold or is but with restrictions, and pretty much anytime it exchanges hands/owners i profit or i put it on a console where i lose money when/if that happens. why do i even bother with he second one then?
is it greedy, yeah but it is what it is. i dont see sony exempt from this, if they are, thats fantastic but i highly doubt it
really all these microsoft spin guys are so sad
Had the balls? LOL ! Consumers are getting fucked over by companies and u say they have balls to do it ! LOL ...no wonder such stuff still sells. I will never get why people bow down to such shit and buy thier stuff.
If all consoles go this way, I will have to go back to PC and NOT pay them any money. THey can have a quartet set of balls and go through bankruptcy ! I won't give a damn.
I own what I own, if the game is to be rented I won't pay full price. As simple as that !
lol...well, that's one way to look at it I suppose :p
@Quark 9 - It may work for publishers at the beginning but if no one buys the Xbox One they won't be making games for it no matter how friendly the restrictions are to them. If PS4 also has this and no one buys it and everyone goes to Wii U, do you really expect publishers to make games where no one is playing?
No one in their right minds would go to Wii U. They'd play on PC, silly.
"This means that if publishers are indeed in control of how their games operate on each console, then Sony and the PlayStation 4 would have to adhere to the same restrictions that Microsoft has been placed on the chopping block for… right?"
Microsoft have the balls. Just like they have the balls NOT to have an e3 press conference roundtable?
While Xbox one is DESIGNED to allow publishers control, PS4 is not(the reason there's no internet connection required). If publishers choose to block PS4 games it will have to do with their servers and not the PS4 hardware, meaning that there will be many games that doesn't require internet just to play like the Xbox one. Blocking PS4 will be like publishers putting Internet required to play across all of their games which would be financial suicide, especially considering there WILL BE GAMES that don't enforce such restrictions. Some publishers will use these restrictions against other games to their advantage.
i agree, and maybe that will be the case maybe it wont be but one thing is for sure, the majority of consumers arent those on this website. most of them just arent that educated on the products they buy and all these restrictions will likely be a punch in the face after they already bought it.....but thats the problem, "already bought it" which means its sold, done deal and unless they either return it or sell it, which some will but the majority wont, then that means increased install base, which means people will want games which means publishers will have that choice
Nah, I don't think so.
They already stated it clearly and also #NOPS4DRM campaign is clear.
Xbone spinners site marked.
"This means that if publishers are indeed in control of how their games operate on each console, then Sony and the PlayStation 4 would have to adhere to the same restrictions that Microsoft has been placed on the chopping block for… right?"
You don't see the contradiction? If publishers are in control of how their games operate ON EACH CONSOLE, Sony can do what they want and allow what they want on their console. Just b/c MS is anti-gamer, anti-consumer doesn't mean Sony or the PS4 will be too.
lets just wait and see what sony says at e3.
tehy have already stated that they would let the publishers decide. it seems to me that m$ just echoed what they said.
the fanboys will assplode when sony announces the same restrictions and admits that they are part of the partner plan next week.
unchartedxplorer. have sony confirmed a round table at e3?? microsoft will still be speaking to the journalists.. just like sony will
Folks, this is just not possible without an internet connection, which the PS4 does not require, AND online registration, which the PS4 does not require.
All this wishful thinking on behalf of Microsoft is understandable, but not accurate.
Microsoft really mis-judged the market by this much. Sony did not make the same mistake.
Personally, I think Microsoft got misled because they were able to get away with charging people to play online over their own internet connections and figured that those same people would go for this DRM. But regardless of why they thought it, it is now clear that they did. Phil Harrison understood it and explained it to us perfectly.
"They had the balls to go first....real stand up guys over at MS..."
Was sarcasm and it's a damn shame I have to explain that.
I mean, they actually SAT DOWN and cooked up this anti-gamer/consumer bulls*** and wrapped it into the worst console in gaming history. I mean, without the internet, It's red ring ALL THE TIME.
There's nothing stand up about that. Are you guys new or something?
@yesmynameissumo, are you that naive sony has said its up to the publisher, if they were going to refuse any type of drm they would have just said "we wont allow any used game drm"....so what does it matter *how they design their consoles in regards to drm, if EA decides to charge a fee the end result whether on X1 or ps4 is you're going to have to pay or not buy EA games. Sony sure is hell isn't going to cut EA off from their platform....its business.
Sony has also said they have no Internet requirement, no game registration requirement and are not blocking used games. EA could easily collect $ from a PS4 online pass, as that is the choice they have as a publisher on Sony's hardware. It is business and EA needs Sony as much as Sony needs EA.
You all seem to forget that developers can be as restrictive as MS. But I don't think a single development company would pursue this on any level as the responsibility is all on their decision instead of Sony themselves.
If Sony DOES NOT adhere to the same restrictions. MUCH MUCH more people will support PS4, in turn giving the PS4 a much larger install base than the Xbone.
No matter how much EA beats their chest, they're definitely not going to miss out on the PS4 install base.
As much as I like to blame MS for all of this DRM stuff, it is looking likely that Sony will also have a similar DRM system (although the lack of online requirement pretty much confirms that it will be nowhere near as limiting as the Xbone).
We probably should be blaming the publishers, because I can easily see that EA and Activision had a hand in this announcement, and it was probably one of the reasons why they were both at the MS press conference. If PS4 goes DRM-free, and COD: Ghosts is exclusive to XBone (obviously it would have to be just that console not PS3 or 360 either), XBone wins, simply because the game is way too popular. I don't think Activision would have the balls to do that, so I hope to God that Sony has the balls to stand up to the publishers and say no DRM or at least, completely optional DRM (i.e. if you want to install the game and play without the disc, this is what you have to agree to, but you don't have to etc.).
No game is big enough to overwhelm all this DRM bad news, not even COD. There are wayyy to many military shooters for COD to pull someone into a console as bad the Xbone.
Microsoft built this into their console, Sony does not have to go down the same path. The crap Microsoft is doing is their own design. If they made a console without it do you really think the game makers would refuse to put out games on their console? No, they wouldnt. This is All Microsoft. And if they get away with this, they will take it further. Its them trying to take complete control of what you do with what you buy. I will not support this.
"This is All Microsoft"
lol, Patrick so naïve, Yet micro confirmed this:
"Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games."
"Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won't be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."
-This is definitely being pushed by publishers when you consider micro isn't being compensated....and you sound so hypocritical bashing microsoft but if sony does drm its all microsofts fault because of course sony doesn't have ANY choice....Nintendo says hi.
I think the point that people are missing overall is that there are two types of DRM applied in this situation. We have software/medium DRM and we have console/hardware DRM. Software DRM is will be applied through the publisher but for verification it needs a internet connection. Hardware DRM is something totally different. Meaning that the content placed on the console is being controlled by the console not the software applied.
Sony is applying software DRM, allowing the publishers to control how the content is applied through their system. MS is however using both Software and hardware DRM where MS is controlling the content on the system as well as the publishers controlling the software applied to the platform.
From that how is Sony applying any DRM rules. The only DRM rules that I see is from MS. If Sony decides to apply hardware DRM rules, than this is something of another matter. Sony, has already stated that the system will allow used games and play off-line. How can DRM be applied via those scenarios. Unless the codecs on the BR disk are implied to only relay or publish on one system. IDK, the best thing to do is wait on E3, which is a couple of days away to find out the information.
This is all I am going to say. There is absolutely no benefit to owning an online only console unless the games can all be purchased online and they are cheaper. (eg. Steam)
However, MS is not doing that. We still have to buy discs and we still have to pay full price. Anyone defending this is either a paid employee or complete fanboy. Its disgusting that any consumer would purchase this, and say to Microsoft "I am ok having you take away my rights as a consumer"
Every restriction that the new Xbox has is simply to benefit the developer/MS. None of it is for the consumer.
meanwhile Seraphemz on his PS3.... logs out of Multiplat title and puts on Netflix for the evening
@Jokes on you
"Patrick so naïve"
Id rather be naïve than ignorant, and supporting this kind of corporate control over what you own is ignorant. I mean, if your internet goes out you cant even play games. In the future when they stop supporting it, you wont even be able to go back and play what you paid for... no nostalgia gaming here. Not everyone has internet or lives in an area that allows for anything more than dial up, if that. I honestly hope the Xbone fails big time. We need to send a message that we arent going to support such a crackdown on what we own.
I mean, I wouldnt even be able to take my own game to my brothers house to play it with him with this kind of restrictions. There are better ways to get people to buy new games as opposed to used.
MS might drag Sony down in this regard, but I don't think it would be anywhere near to the extent that MS are doing it simply because the X1 appears to be designed with mechanisms that have these restrictions in place.
Still, its a cause for concern and like I've said before, I really hope Sony against this trend that MS trying to set up.
Im confused when it comes to xbox one rules it says you can give a game to one person on your friends list if the have been on there for 30 days and can only do it once which isnt a big deal but does that mean you can buy one game and have unlimited use of it for yourself and a friend at the same time?
No, once you give it away it is no longer yours so you can't play it.
septic. do you know what mechanisms sony have implemented into the ps4 then?
this is coming to the ps4 as well. save this thread
the key here is always online/mandatory check-ins
Sony have clearly come out and said the PS4 can be played completely offline, i.e they don't have their own fancy infrastructure that does all these constant checks and so forth.
I think it will be up to publishers. if you, N4G Publishers want your game to have a launch lock then Sony have a system in place which allows your game and only yours to be always online so you can carry out your policies as you wish. SCE on the other hand will leave all their games completely free of restrictions.
Microsoft is going one unnecessary step ahead with their policies and tech.
Yes, Sony said that the PS4 can be played offline and so can the X1. Its all in the details which people continue to forget.
Sony stated that Online checks is up to the publishers. Meaning if publishers want their game to support some type of online check then Sony will support it. If one console supports Online checks, why do people think that publishers will not have the same system in place on the PS4.
The difference is that Sony is playing around with words but I believe they will face more heat for not being honest. Sony could have easily stated their "Publishers" DRM and how that will affect their customers but they are willing to ride this wave of good will for as long as possible.
I agree I cant imagine any scenario where publishers for example are going to charge a fee for the 2nd owner for BF4 on X1 while then saying to sony well its OK 2nd hand owners for the ps4 version can play without any fees. Its going to be both or none for each publisher since both sony and microsoft have said its up to publishers anyway.= Theres only 1 other potential scenario, sony does what nintendo seems to have done which is refuse publishers demands for new drm and look at how 3rd party support has impacted wii u. I just dont see sony willing to take that blow.
The more articles I read on this, the more likely it seems both consoles will have roughly the same restrictions-or at least the option of the same restrictions-just that Sony will have an out by saying "Well we left it up to publishers so don't get mad at us". Obviously theres still that ridiculous 24 hour check in thing on the Xbox, but otherwise I don't think there'll be much difference.
I think the most interesting thing will be to see if Sony locks their first party titles.
Without the forced online Sony can't do the same sort of DRM. I expect any DRM would be along the lines of online passes.
Not much of an article. Read the title and you've pretty much read all this has to offer.
And given the fact that Sony has already stated you'll never have to take the PS4 online if you don't want to, I don't know how it could be as restrictive as what Microsoft is proposing.
They wont listen dude... captain qwark the shill has been trying to 'sony too' since this whole fiasco began. Up to developers means its in their hands, not sonys, just like it is now. Online passes is another issue though. That will need clarification as that falls within the used game subject matter.
Sony would be sealing their own doom if they allow MSFT to better protect developer software.
For all we know Sony's unwillingness to make a choice could be part of the reason MSFT has made historic exclusive partnerships with devs like Respawn and EA, not deals but partnerships. If Sony doesn't follow more and more will do what EA did.
Geoff Keighley said he has heard from his sources Sony has something similar so all might not be lost.
Companies like Respawn and EA know gamers will get internet to play Azura cloud enhanced versions of Battlefield 4/5/6 etc etc.
The reality is most likely that both companies were pushed to do this by the developers and publishers. MSFT had the guts to come out with it first, with MSFT knowing their market strength was far greater and could take the massive hit also at the same time taking advantage of deals made by devs for embracing it first and fully.
How exactly are they going to do something similar when they have said that the PS4 does not require online? The answer is they won't. Single player will likely be the same as it is today and any DRM will most likely be related to online, just as it is today for many games.
Sometimes, all you got to do is thank Sony for all that they have done for us, it doesn't matter which camp you come from, so please GreenPowerz, join me and experience and indulge in our loving community and be rewarded with world class gaming, the Playstation way. thank you Sony.
So what happens if your Internet connection cuts out or slows down because of bad weather? Will you still be able to play those enhanced Azure cloud games?? Or will they just default to lower resolution, lower AI versions of their former selves?
"Sony would be sealing their own doom if they allow MSFT to better protect developer software."
By this comment alone it's easy to determine that you either work for Microsoft or a developer/publisher backing this anti consumer agenda, why else would you so short sightedly put first the needs of developers in this argument?
Now that we know whose pocket you have your hands in, it's time for a reality check. The market is determined by the wants and needs, supply and demand of consumers, not the suppliers.
Sony will be sealing MSFT doom if they implement policies that don't violate the rights, trusts and privacy of consumers as MSFT does because believe it or not, people actually DON"T PREFER TYRANNY IN ANY FORM.
People prefer FREEDOM, which is why if Sony advocates for the consumer and doesn't bow down to these tyrannical business practices put forth by these greedy, pathetic, money hungry developers and publishers, then the PS4 will be the obvious choice for consumers and developers will be forced to follow or make games for a console no one will play leading of course to their financial collapse.
It's not rocket science.
You are wrong, They have no choice but to implement something on used games. I predict it to be better then microsofts plans though.
DRM and online checks, who'd thought that 20 years ago on my NES SNES. Under powered closed PC's with restrictions, May as well build a PC to my liking and go on a shopping spree @ steam
Sony really has to do almost nothing and they automatically win over a large audience. I think sony realises this and will market the shit out of it for the next few months
It's been my experience that Companies work together to consumer detriment rather than benefit. With that said, if you don't think that markets are fixed and so called "rival companies" don't meet behind closed doors in secret then you would be in for a very, very rude awakening.
Sony has been coy at best about their stance on the whole used games issue, but I can tell you one thing, if they plan to implement anything even close to resembling what M$ says it's doing with regards to used games, etc... then I will NOT be going "Next Gen" if that means that I don't actually own what I pay for.
I have a bad feeling like Sony and M$ are on the same page with anti consumer agenda but are taking different, yet similar approaches to see which will be more widely accepted, moving them closer to the same endgame or goal. M$ has said that the DRM is done at the console level and Sony quietly says that they allow for the same but that it's done at the software level (ie; up to publisher/developer) but the ones who obviously have the most to gain from this are the publishers/developers. If we let these companies forcefully dictate how the next gen is shaped rather than it being a product of consumer wants and needs then they win and we lose and gaming and consumer rights as whole are changed forever and for the worst.
It's time for all gamers to take a stand regardless of console or platform. Companies only speak one language, MONEY, and if we speak with our MONEY ie; don't give it to companies that trample consumers rights, then we will all be heard LOUD AND CLEAR.
It's time to lower your flag, whether it be a "Sony" or "M$" and "come together, right now, over tyrannical corporate greed".
Any one who spends on dollar on any product that furthers this greed agenda by big corporations betrays themselves and every other gamer out there.
These companies are testing us to see how much they can get away with, don't even give them an inch.
Besides do you even SEE a figgin kinect anywhere on the PS4?
It actually could be more restrictive/convoluted.
Scenario: You don't have to check a game online, but the game is tied to a single console and can't be played anywhere else until you go online to verify purchase and enable it to be played elsewhere. It could even use license keys for registration that would be managed by the publishers and their way of controlling used game sales (you buy a game used, but would have to buy the new license key for the game).
yeah thats certainly possible
Anytime Microsoft is doing something bad the xbox fanboys always find away to involve playstation in their hellish little circle, this author needs to be a man and stop trying to drag plastation to hell with Microsoft and tell Microsoft to get rid of DRM
Man im a huge sony fan but you are a fanboy. You dont know anything right now so how can speak blinding truths out of assumptions. The ps4 could be as restrictive. Can you read?
Yes Sony will do something similar. Anyone who defends ether one is just a sheep ready for slaughter.
Guess the Wii U and PC doesn't look to bad anymore huh? I hope the video game industry crashes and only Nintendo and PC survives.
So far the only things MS and Sony have given us are online passes, nickle and dime DLC, paid services, and DRM. The Xbox One and PS4 will only be rental boxes for games you have to pay for but can never own.
People need to stop saying "MS is doing it, so Sony has to do it to". If Sony doesn't require Internet connection, then they are not doing things the same way, and really Sony choosing not to do those things gives them a huge advantage. It also means out of the 3 MS will be going at it alone with restrictive game play. Nintendo and Sony staying away from also having all the restrictions MS is using will mean they both outsell the XB1
avengers its just a discussion and it seems some of you guys just dont see the possible endstate because you're holding on to carefully worded statements from sony, nothing they've said completely pulls used game drm off the table, in short they can lock your game to the 1st console through a one time registration this would of course still mean you can play completely offline with no daily checks but it just locks the game to your console which means you can't play anywhere else until you go online to verify purchase and enable it to be played elsewhere. The endstate although misleading is that sure you dont NEED internet and ps4 can play (1st owner) games completely offline but buying a used game will result in you paying for a license code.= used game drm
Hopefully not. I think Sony is smarter as a company. If they come out in E3 and directly dispel these issues, the PS4 will easily win this generation.
It's not as easy as that. They have to balance the needs of publishers with that of the consumers.
in Fact i thing Sony will continue to use the same approach that they have with PS3, like multiple software updates on the system for you to be able to play games online and an always first check online for some games that required network conection for it to be able to play it the first time, the big problem that i think Sony will not have is that they probably are not going to Enforce players to buy licenses for used games adn this problem will apply for LEnd Games to your friends... imagine if a friend of your have a game that you want to try he cannot lend you the game for you to test it for more than 24 hours (all thos action games similar to god of War, or RPGs that do not offer online content) i know for a fact that at least with my friend with those games that do not have online we usually buy a game each and once we finish we lend it over to the other is like buying the game half price since you only play them once, with MS you are not going to be able to do that, or Rent Games or Buy used games, and i think as far as i have read in most Sony News, they are not planning to do that on games
The needs of the publishers won't be met if people are put off and don't buy the systems. So the needs of the consumers are more important because without them there would be no publishers.
@jaredhart Sony is damn near in financial ruin!!! Meanwhile MS just spent 1 billion on Video games. and win exactly what?!! Mann you fanboys fool yourselves to the point of ideology.
"COULD" is such a big word that holds no substance until we see for our selves on the 10th.
Whatever it might be, I'm getting a PS4 day 1 baby, thank you Sony.
Not happening. Both Sony and Microsoft have completely different business models for the gaming space, as well as, different relationships with publishers and developers. Fortunately for Sony, they have executives that actually game and know what that would do.
What I really care about is offline gaming. Sometimes I have to travel to my wifes families house, and they are so old fashioned that they dont even have internet...
So, if I owned a xbox1 i would only be able to play for 24hrs...i need more time than that to avoid the in laws..


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