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Did Yahoo Rush Axis Out the Door Before It Was Ready?
Yahoo's new Axis browser has a problem. It was released Wednesday as both an app for iOS and as an add-on for desktop browsers, but Yahoo may not have dotted all the "i's" before launch in the latter case.
The Google Chrome extension for Axis appears to have launched with a security hole, identified by self-described "entrepreneur, hacker and blogger" Nik Cubrilovic. After downloading the extension with the intention of checking out the source code, he found that the private certificate the extension uses to authenticate itself with Google — essentially the code that performs the "handshake" that lets your computer know the download is safe — could be easily accessed by anyone.
That means if a hacker wanted to create a piece of malware that infects Chrome, they could use the certificate to make the malware seem authentic. Once it saw the certificate, Chrome would think the forged extension has been approved by Yahoo.
Cubrilovic says he tested the vulnerability by cloning the Axis extension, then emptying the content (i.e. Axis itself), replacing it with a Javascript alert. Sure enough, the extension installed perfectly as if it were a real Yahoo extension.
If a hacker were to use the certificate, they could theoretically create a piece of malware that could capture all the sites a user visited, including passwords and cookies, Cubrilovic writes. A commenter on Cubrilovic's site claims to be Ethan Batraski, Yahoo's director of product management. He said the company would release an updated extension that would resolve the issue.
Responding to a query from Mashable, a Yahoo spokesperson said, "We recently learned of a vulnerability with Yahoo Axis on Chrome. We worked quickly to resolve the issue and have issued a new Chrome plug-in. Users who downloaded Yahoo Axis on Chrome between the hours of 6 and 9 p.m. Pacific Time on May 23, 2012, are encouraged to uninstall the previous version and reinstall the new version."
A blog post from Sophos, a digital-security company, confirms Yahoo did replace the Chrome extension. However, the post says it's unclear whether Chrome will actually know that the earlier certificate has been revoked if a user tried to install a cloned extension using it. The site recommends waiting a few days before trying out Axis for Chrome.
What do you think about how Yahoo handled the Axis launch and the security hole? Have your say in the comments.


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UPDATE: According to Fox News ESPN "says it fired an employee responsible for an offensive headline referring to Knicks sensation Jeremy Lin" and the "anchor who used the phrase has been suspended for 30 days."
Linsanity just jumped the shark with the ESPN mobile website using the headline a "Chink in the Armor" to refer to the Knick's loss to the Hornets. This came on the heels of an ESPN commentator* making the same comment on-air Friday night.
I'm not a sports writer, so I tried to avoid the whole Linsanity phenomenon; my sense of it was that five stand-out performances in a long season did not make a trend, so now that the absurdity of Linsanity has taken a turn for the racist, I think we should pause for a second and get our bearings.
Was the on-air commentary a poor choice of words? Of course, but if you watch the video clip (it's just 8 seconds long), I don't think the commentator was trying to make a pun. Judge for yourself:
Now, the headline is a different matter. As anyone who has worked in digital media knows, the headline is what draws attention and hits. Editors and writers try to maximize visitors and shock value with their headlines (check out mine, it got you here didn't it?). Unlike an on-air comment, most writers and editors obsess over the headline even after they click the publish button. So my sense of things is that whoever posted the headline thought about it, giggled, and clicked publish. In fairness to the writer/editor, the term "chink in the armor" has been used over 3,000 times on ESPN.com, but just because it is a frequently used term doesn't absolve the writers and editors of responsibility to use common sense. But, the problem may be an institutional one, not an individual one, at least judging by ESPN's track record and their inept statement in response to the outrage--- Here is what they wrote after pulling the headline:
Last night, ESPN.com's mobile web site posted an offensive headline referencing Jeremy Lin at 2:30 am ET. The headline was removed at 3:05 am ET. We are conducting a complete review of our cross-platform editorial procedures and are determining appropriate disciplinary action to ensure this does not happen again. We regret and apologize for this mistake.
The initial comments may have been a poor choice of words, rather than racist or in poor taste, but you wouldn't know that from ESPN's statement. Note the avoidance in the language used by ESPN--- ESPN.com's "mobile web site" apparently did the posting, not a writer or editor. There is also no admission of wrong-doing or acknowledgement that this may have been an intentionally offensive posting, just some regret and an apology for "this mistake." How about a statement that this was insensitive or could be perceived as insensitive? How about some acknowledgement that this is not consistent with the values of the company? As a matter of crisis communications and public relations this statement is a failure.
SB Nation Sports Editor Brian Floyd nicely summed up the controversy when he wrote: "The headline was unintentional -- it had to be unintentional. Someone is going to get buried for this, making it a hard lesson to learn. But dang, don't plaster the word 'chink' underneath Lin's name on a huge national website without understanding exactly what the backlash will be. It's not edgy or funny; it's a ridiculously terrible mistake."
I agree with the fact that someone is going to get buried, but I'm not certain that the headline was unintentional. Let's not forget ESPN has a bit of a record with inappropriate comments: Remember the "Trail of Tears" reference? How about the "He's out having a Taco" comment? Or the "white boy wasted" comment?
Those three examples plus the two "Chink in the armor" comments get us to five, and while five isn't a trend, it's certainly enough for Linsanity.
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Well-being Q&A: Ainslie MacLeod
March 18, 2009 in Balance, Finding your life's purpose, Healing, Inspiration, intuition, Metaphysics, New Age, personal development, Psychic Awareness, Self discovery, Spirituality, Well-being Q&A | Tags: Ainslie MacLeod, Anatomy of the Spirit by Carolyn Myss, Dr. Ian Stevenson, Interview with Ainslie MacLeod, Life After Life by Raymond Moody, Many Lives, Many Masters by Brian Weiss, Oprah Soul Series, spirit guides, The Instruction, Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation | by whereitstopsnobodyknows | 1 comment
I first discovered Ainslie MacLeod when he was interviewed on Oprah's Soul Series last fall regarding his 2007 book, The Instruction. The interview series itself was relatively new, and I felt encouraged and excited that Oprah would extend her already expansive content repertoire of self-help, spirtuality and personal development into the realm of psychic awareness.
Certainly, many of us believe in intuitive abilities and connecting with guides (angels, higher self, universal intelligence, etc.). But to have Ainslie MacLeod sit front and center talking about how the text for The Instruction came into being as a result of direct communication from an army of guides– well, it felt like a turning point in how mass consciousness was softening to the idea that we all have access to small, still voices that are designed to guide us daily– if we choose– to our life's purpose. Ask most people, and they'll say there is something to it all– that personal experience directs us to find out more… carefully.
So it was no surprise that MacLeod came clean to his readers from the get go. He was a reluctant psychic. So deep was his reluctance to accept the mantle of "psychic" that he actually ignored the tell-tale signs of his advanced gifts for many years.
But through intensive work and his eventual and total transition from commercial illustrator to psychic, his own life purpose came into crytsal clear focus: help others understand themselves. And he does this through his powerful and evolving work with his guides. Oh, and we all have them– and he helps the rest of us find them.
I recently asked Ainslie about how he helps people realize their life's purpose.
CL: Initially you were sort of a self-described reluctant psychic who felt compelled by personal experiences to explore new spiritual territories. How did you make that transition, and how has it changed your life?
AM: I was definitely reluctant when I first started doing psychic readings. I was conscious that there were a lot of charlatans around and I didn't want anyone thinking I was one of them. I felt like I was telling the world I was a freak.
What initially helped was going through the process I take my clients through now. It wasn't called the Instruction back then and my spirit guides were not the same as the ones I currently use, but they steered me through the same steps to self-acceptance. They helped me to see that this really was going to be my life, and convinced me that since I'd eventually embrace my calling, I might as well start right away.
Being a psychic has certainly changed my life. I feel like a round peg in a round hole. That old reluctance has gone. I keep learning new things about the soul and how the spiritual world operates, and I get to meet great people through my sessions. I often say that once you step through the spiritual door, there's no going back. That was very much how it felt to me when I accepted my own destiny.
CL: The Instruction describes ten doorways that readers pass through to understand their life's purpose. Is it always important for people to identify their soul age and their soul type in order to get a firm grasp on what his/her life purpose is?
AM: I believe that if you're going to understand your life, you need to start with the basics. Your soul age describes the source of your beliefs, and your soul types are how you can understand the core of your personality. Everything else follows from that. Knowing these two elements of who you are helps to do everything from finding the right relationship or job, to creating genuine self-acceptance.
CL: Some people might find that their soul purpose is in stark contrast to what they are currently doing as an occupation. What are some recommendations on how to make a successful transition to living your soul's purpose?
AM: First of all, let me say that your life's purpose may not be all about your day job. There are often many activities that can be considered your purpose. Raising kids can be as significant as anything you do during those eight hours in the middle of the day.
When it comes to careers, however, I've met many people who ended up in unfulfilling jobs because of other peoples' expectations. It's essential to consider your own desires, not those of your parents or teachers, for example. By taking the time to meditate, call in your spirit guides, and ask them for clarity about your life plan, you'll be doing more than most people ever do. Sometimes spiritual acts, volunteer work for example, can be a great way of creating a stronger sense of purpose in your life, and can help the transition.
CL: In writing The Instruction you received information from your guides. Can anyone access information from their own guides? If so, how?
AM: Spirit guides are like opinions and certain body parts – we've all got them. The problem is most of us don't actually use them. Asking a simple question is a good way to start working with your guides. Find a quiet spot, ask your spirit guides to be with you, meditate for a good ten minutes, then ask them a yes/no question. Pay attention to your gut feeling. Even if you don't get words or pictures, you'll get that simple intuitive feeling that something is right or not. It may be subtle, but practice will help you recognize the signs.
CL: Why do you think so many people have such a difficult time in understanding and living their life's purpose?
AM: There are many reasons, but one common problem is that our lives are so noisy it's hard to hear the small, still voice of our own soul. I've heard people say to me that they can't hear their guides or their soul's direction. It's sometimes simply a matter of switching off the TV and getting some real tranquility.
Your soul is continually nudging and urging you to follow your life plan. To live the life your soul intended it's essential to slow down, and pay attention. And if there's one thing I hear from my guides over and over again it's this: "Meditate, meditate, meditate!"
CL: Are you working on another book? If so, can you tell us about it?
AM: I've just begun working on my next book. In it, I describe my spirit guides' view of why the world is the way it is, and how you can develop your spirituality to help you be part of the coming shift in consciousness that's going to change our world. The publication date is sometime early next year. As with The Instruction, the publisher is Sounds True who have been terrific to work with.
CL: Are there any books that you particularly love that would like to recommend to our readers?
AM: I read all the time, so it's really hard to choose. I love Dr. Ian Stevenson's fascinating book, Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation. He was a scientific researcher who traveled around India examining the stories of children who offered amazing evidence of their past lives.
In the introduction to The InstructionI tell how, many years ago, a psychic in Atlanta gave me a booklist that really helped to open me to the spiritual world. The list included The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron, which jump-started my flagging creativity; Many Lives, Many Masters by Brian Weiss, which is an intriguing insight into past lives, as well as Life After Life by Raymond Moody and Anatomy of the Spirit by Carolyn Myss.


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Cisco hopes to strangle the trade in counterfeit versions of its products by launching a tool designed to help US government agencies spot imitations, many of which come from China.
The firm's senior vice president for public sector, Patrick Finn, told Nextgov that increasing numbers of "rogue partners" pretend to posses Cisco accreditation but are in fact selling bogus software and hardware.
Undercover investigators from the US Government Accountability Office are said to have uncovered 40 quotes for counterfeit parts from online retailers based in China after placing orders for electronics between August 2011 and February 2012.
Cisco has a whole section of its partner site devoted to such matters, including a case study example of a reseller who purchased 40 Cisco 1841 Integrated Services Routers from a broker and sold them on to a government department using the official channels.
However, the department was not satisfied with the provenance of the kit, as Cisco explains :
Cisco traced the serial numbers to the original routers, two of which were installed in a client's network in Asia Pacific. Cisco Brand Protection team members photographed the serial numbers of the original routers and provided this evidence to the government department.
After further investigation, it was found that the 40 Cisco 1841 Integrated Services Routers had been illegally modified to a Security (K9) bundle, which costs twice the price of a standard version.
Market watcher IHS iSuppli reported last month that the number of 'high risk' suppliers selling counterfeit tech products to US government and other customers has grown by two thirds since 2002.
Although the analyst admitted it is difficult to pinpoint the origin of parts, given that key markings are often falsified, China and the US were fingered as the top two locations for suppliers engaged in dodgy dealings.
Last year was a record one for fake parts, with 1363 'counterfeit incidents' reported by iSuppli.
Also in 2011, a Virginia resident and leader of a Hong Kong-based counterfeit ring was jailed for 60 months after being found guilty of conspiracy to commit importation fraud, selling fake Cisco kit and money laundering.
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Look at me and tell me if I don't have Brazil in every curve of my body.
Lift Your Butt Like a BrazilianBy Steve Edwards
"Butt is the new abs," says Brazil Butt Lift® creator Leandro Carvalho. "Look at the latest group of Victoria's Secret® Angels [models]; 17 of the 28 are from Brazil. The reason is because they have beautiful butts."
For Carvalho, this is more than a casual observation. His training techniques hit the mainstream when he began transforming waiflike runway models into bootylicious supermodels. Now you're fortunate if you can find a spot in one of his classes, which are taught exclusively at Equinox Fitness Clubs in New York. Luckily, he's gone viral, and now you can do his classes in the comfort of your living room. I sat down with Carvalho recently to chat about Brazil Butt Lift and came away with a lot more: a story about a guy who has always followed his dream, arrived in America without knowing anyone or speaking the language, and is now a celebrity. Today, in part one of this interview, we'll hear about the history of Brazil Butt Lift and why not being able to "spot train" is a myth.
"Five years ago, I met Alessandra Ambrosio, the world-famous supermodel, at a party," Carvalho began our interview. "She didn't like her trainer because she was putting on more muscle than she wanted. She only wanted to work on her waistline, her butt, and the inside and outside of her legs. I knew that by combining dance, Capoeira, and what I had learned as a trainer [that] I could get her the results she wanted. As soon as I did, she began telling her friends, and things escalated from there."
I asked about spot training, which is often considered a myth among trainers, to which he replied, "Those people haven't been to Brazil. We [Brazilians] love to dance and celebrate. In fact, we celebrate just about everything with dance. Not just special occasions. We dance at church. We dance at sundown. We just dance constantly, which works the legs, the abs, and the butt. This is why our beaches are so famous. Everyone looks great from dancing, both men and women."
"And you can translate this into specific training. Of course, squats and lunges [the standard leg exercises] are great, but if you do too much you also bulk up the legs, which is especially true when you start adding weight. I had to work the butt without bulking the legs. So I combined squats and lunges with Afro-Brazilian dance. That's the 'secret.'"
"After my success with Alessandra, I needed something to call it because all the clubs in New York wanted these workouts. I was watching Extreme Makeover. There was a doctor on who was doing some sort of cosmetic surgery that he called a Brazilian butt lift. I thought this was a great name for my class. Equinox loved it and signed me to an exclusive deal to teach for them. They gave me a lot of press. TV, magazines, everywhere. My classes have been packed ever since."
As Beachbody's science guy, I was eager to hear about this angle. Certainly, there's more to it than dance, I asked. "Most trainers focus on the large muscles, like the gluteus maximus. But the glutes are three different muscles: maximus, medius, and minimus," stated Carvalho, now sounding like the guy I knew had a degree in exercise physiology and had been at this for decades. "You need to train them all. Not only that but you need to hit them from various angles to strengthen the head of each muscle. In total, we're looking at 12 different angles you should hit in order to create a round butt."
Before I even got a chance to ask about men, Carvalho beat me to it. "Even though it was created for women, it's important to say it's not just for girls," he said. "I worried that men won't want to do it, but it works very well for them. Men like having great butts, too, and women like looking at men with great butts! Back in Brazil, I used to train police and firefighters, and we did a lot of the same movements."
I brought up some training sessions I'd read about when he was working with John McEnroe, the professional tennis player who was famous for his bad temper. Certainly, I think, if McEnroe wasn't yelling "you can't be serious," the workouts must pass some kind of macho test. Unfortunately, at least from my angle, he seems to have mellowed with age.
"Well,Trudie [Styler] had hired me, and I had no idea [that] I was teaching anyone else. All these other people just showed up, including Sting [Styler's husband], Tom Hanks, McEnroe, and others. We all trained on the beach. McEnroe was pretty conservative. The actors, guys like Hanks, were more willing to dive into the dance moves, because they're more used to being outside their comfort zone. That seems to be the same thing with my classes. Guys are more reserved about taking any exercise class. But when they do show up, they love it."
Next time, we'll dig deeper into Carvalho's background; Brazil Butt Lift's science and nutrition; and what it's like to juggle teaching sold-out classes, filming a workout video, and training 26 supermodels.
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Climbing Michi's Ladder: ArtichokesBy Denis Faye
Considering how ubiquitous and fun to eat artichokes are, the amount of people who've never tried them is surprising. There are several varieties, the most common being the globe artichoke. The round, prickly thing with the thick leaves that you peel off and eat is actually the bud of an artichoke flower. And in addition to being a great source of fiber and minerals, that process of peeling off the leaves one by one slows down eating. Not only does this make digestion easier, but it can create a feeling of satiety from what's actually very little food.
The (nutrition) facts
A medium-sized globe artichoke has about 60 calories, no fat, 13 grams of carbs, 6 grams of fiber, and 4 grams of protein. They're a good source of vitamin C with 25 percent of the recommended daily allowance (RDA)*, vitamin K with 24 percent, folate with 22 percent, magnesium with 19 percent, iron with 9 percent, manganese with 16 percent, potassium with 14 percent, phosphorus with 14 percent, and copper with 15 percent. You also get a little thiamin, riboflavin, niacin, vitamin B6, pantothenic acid, calcium, iron, and zinc.
How do you eat this thing?
Although boiling is the typical way to eat an artichoke, you'll get a lot more flavor and a lot less sogginess if you steam it for about an hour. But before you do that, cut off the bottom right at the base. Some people also cut the top off each leaf, but you only need to do that if the tips are especially prickly.
Once it's cooked, eat the meat off the base of each leaf individually. Eventually, the leaves become wispy and inedible. At this point, cut off the remaining leaves and the fuzzy bit under them, revealing the heart. Some connoisseurs, including my 5-year-old, consider it to be the best part.
Artichokes themselves are nothing but healthy, but the sauces most people choose to dip them in? Not so much. Avoid butter sauces and mayonnaise. Instead, try vinaigrette with a few extra dollops of mustard, so it really sticks to the leaves. Hummus is another great option.
1 medium globe artichoke
- Calories: 60
- Protein: 4 g
- Carbs: 13 g
- Fiber: 6 g
- Fat: none
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- 1 scoop chocolate Shakeology powder
- 1-1/2 cups cold water
- 1 tsp. peppermint extract
- 1 cup ice (or to taste)
Blend till frothy and enjoy!
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- Carbs: 17.5 g
- Fiber: 3 g
- Fat: 1 g
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Talk:Essay:Conservapedias Law/1
- 1 General comments
- 2 Ann's next book
- 3 Category
- 4 Perhaps some more information about her credentials
- 5 Biographical data
- 6 "Total Fag"
- 7 Coulter -- hardly a role model for Conservatives
- 8 Schoolyard taunt?
- 9 Offensive manner
- 10 "Comedic"
- 11 "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building,"
- 12 interesting artlcle
- 13 Strong following?
- 14 Jersey girls
- 15 Protests
General comments
I didn't realize that slinging mud at other people was a valid method to defend what a person says. No matter what, someone can mention that Hitler killed millions during the Holocaust, so it shouldn't matter that Ann Coulter is a bigoted transvestite.
Coulter is crazy. Her crazyness has many aspects, one of which is a desperate seeking of attention. Another is a tendency to think of absolutly everything as a religion. Liberalism? Religion. Evolution? Religion. Another is consistantly demonising those she dislikes: Homosexuals become violent pedophile abusers, liberals become christian-hating communists, and so on. - Suricou, rambling.
[1] The truth about Ann Coulter.
Attempting to defend Coulter's statements just exposes the incredible bias and partisanship of this site. She made a ragingly stupid, offensive and derogatory statement. There is not doubt about what she said or what it means.
I don't believe that footnote is all that necessary. Do you seriously think that anyone who's ever spoken English _doesn't_ know what a f****t is? --Sandbagger 15:16, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
- Faggot means a bundle of sticks. I do not understand the liberal media's obsession with casting her as a bigot. She was merely pointing out an etymological anomaly. At worst, it was misinterpreted by people who were looking for something to complain about. --Deuteronomy 11:44, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
- I'm going to look for a real definition that captures its widespread use in the 1970s as a wimp or wuss. In slang in the 1970s it did not typically mean homosexual. The etymology of the word has nothing to do with homosexuality, as it comes from British prep schools a century ago.--Aschlafly 15:19, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
- I agree that it comes from British prep schools a century ago, the three-letter version anyway. More than a century ago, actually, as it appears throughout Tom Brown's Schooldays, published in 1857 and probably is derived from Hughes' experiences decades before. But I can only suppose that you have been deceived by the euphemistic way in which British prep schools have been described in literature. Dpbsmith 16:06, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
- The three-letter version is defined by Wentworth and Flexner (1967) Dictionary of American Slang, Supplemented Edition, Crowell:
- n. 1. A cigarette c1915 .... 2 A homosexual; an effeminate man.... Although [it use for cigarettes] may have reinforced the use of the word, [three-letter version], a boy servant or lackey has been common Eng. schoolboy use since before 1830, and may be the origin....
- There is probably no way to be certain of the range of services traditionally provided by "boy servants or lackeys" in British prep schools.
Even Orwell's "Such, Such Were the Joys" is very elliptical on this point.In "Such, Such Were the Joys" Orwell says "At some preparatory schools homosexuality is not a problem," but is frank about its existence at St. Cyprians. He gives few details, saying that at that time he was in "an almost sexless state" and he does not use the word we're discussing. Dpbsmith 16:10, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
- There is probably no way to be certain of the range of services traditionally provided by "boy servants or lackeys" in British prep schools.
- I don't know. But the term was never meant to apply exclusively, or even primarily, as a slur against gays. Mayor Sharpe's use demonstrates that. It's more plausible that homosexuals adopted the term "faggot" just as they adopted the term "gay". A famous Alfred Hitchcock movie (1940s?) has a line where the actor describes San Francisco as "gay". That was not a slur, and the adoption of the term by the homosexual movement does not mean that everyone else must immediately abandon its traditional meaning.--Aschlafly 16:25, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
- Even the etymology cited in the article does not support Ann Coulter's stated definition of 'wuss'. The term has never meant anything like 'wuss'. The definition connected with schools cited in the article says: It also may have roots in Brit. public school slang fag "a junior who does certain duties for a senior" (1785), with suggestions of "catamite," from fag (v.). This was also used as a verb. Britinme 10.50 24 March 2007 (EDT)
- I don't know. But the term was never meant to apply exclusively, or even primarily, as a slur against gays. Mayor Sharpe's use demonstrates that. It's more plausible that homosexuals adopted the term "faggot" just as they adopted the term "gay". A famous Alfred Hitchcock movie (1940s?) has a line where the actor describes San Francisco as "gay". That was not a slur, and the adoption of the term by the homosexual movement does not mean that everyone else must immediately abandon its traditional meaning.--Aschlafly 16:25, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
- Now is not the 1970s, and its meaning is pretty well set at this point. --Sandbagger 15:42, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
- Thanks for the citation, which I've concluded. Does Sandbagger think the meaning of the word "niggardly" has now changed also? I've added that incident to this entry.--Aschlafly 16:04, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
- I don't think the parallel is good. The meaning of "niggardly" is well-defined. The dictionary does not suggest that it is racial slur, or hint that it should be avoided because of its similarly in sound to a racial slur. The person who used it was almost certainly using it in good faith with its dictionary meaning (there's a possibility he was deliberately using it because it was similar in sound to a racial slur but I discount it). Those who objected to it were fools.
- In the case of Ann Coulter's use of the word she used, the situation is not parallel. It is much hazier. Unlike "niggardly," the standard dictionary definition of the word is a reference to homosexuality. (I don't think anyone would argue that she was talking about a bundle of twigs). Coulter may have been going by the meaning of the word as she learned it at school. She very likely never looked it up in a dictionary. Her recollection of what the word meant in her school may be accurate—or may have reflected innocence on her part at the time. And in the intervening years she may never have heard the word used to mean "homosexual."
- Yes, you could say she has "plausible deniability," but it seems a stretch to me. Dpbsmith 16:40, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
- But Edwards isn't gay. So what do you think Coulter meant by the term, if not the ordinary schoolhouse usage? Do you think it is racist for one African American to use the "N" word to refer to another African American? I really don't see how there can be a gay slur against someone who isn't gay.
- Although Edwards is not gay, he is known for taking a lot of care with his personal appearance, particularly his hair. This trait is thought by some people to imply effeminacy. I think Coulter was using the word faggot to make that implication and associate Edwards with that trait in the minds of some people. Essentially, she was making a joke, but her claim of schoolhouse usage is thoroughly disingenuous. Britinme 11.17 25 March 2007 (EDT)
- But Edwards isn't gay. So what do you think Coulter meant by the term, if not the ordinary schoolhouse usage? Do you think it is racist for one African American to use the "N" word to refer to another African American? I really don't see how there can be a gay slur against someone who isn't gay.
- By the way, dictionaries are biased just like anything else. "Common Era" is in the dictionary now also, but we expressly reject the dictionary about that. Conservatives resist liberal attempts to change meanings of words to suit the liberal agenda.--Aschlafly 16:47, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
- I don't think the "niggardly" incident really has any place in this article, especially if the goal is to limit gossip. In my opinion, all that really needs to be said on the "faggot" comment is that Coulter said it, some people got upset, she apologized for it. End of story. ColinR 03:27, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
- I removed the claim that no leading conservative group distanced themselves from their statements, because I remember reading a press release from the website of the Christian Defense Alliance doing just that. I consider this group notable because their pro-life activism has been noted on a national stage (particularly their attempts to get Rick Warren to distance themselves from Barack Obama.) MountainDew 02:29, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
I thought that Conservapedia was going to stay away from this sort of trivia and gossip. Who cares about the Edwards remark? Why is it of any significance? Possibly some people were offended, but those same people are probably more offended by 100 other things that Coulter has said. I say that the whole section should be removed. RSchlafly 02:44, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
- No, these statements-- and the despicable, violent left-wing overreaction-- make her who she is. It's definitive, so it should stay (but be streamlined). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MikeM (talk)
It's not just gossip, in my opinion, because this is a major news story that has been covered by the news. I know it's not as significant, but it's like saying that the whole Monica Lewinsky thing was just gossip. I don't want this to dominate the article, but I don't want people thinking we approve of it, because I agree with the Christian Defense Alliance and many other conservatives that Ms. Coulter makes us look bad as conservatives.
This is just my personal opinion, though. MountainDew 02:46, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
- There is no need to either approve or disapprove. Maybe you could say that she occasionally makes inflammatory remarks. Beyond that, I see no value to showing some opinions on this particular remark. RSchlafly 03:21, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
Wow, I just realized how redundant I was. "News story that was covered by the news"? I'm tired. MountainDew 03:22, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
"This explanation is consistent with the use of the term in American and British schools in the 20th century, and is supported by its etymology as a term applying to someone who does duties for others more senior.[6] Edwards, whose public service consists of merely one term in the U.S. Senate, fits that meaning."
This last unsourced sentence, effectively makes conservapedia AGREE with Edwards being a "faggot". Why not add "in Ann Coulter's opinion" to that? I came to this site with high expectations and here we have the site agreeing with childish name-calling as if it is a known, verifiable fact! deronde 16:05, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
Why is this page blocked? Doesn't it deserve the contributions of internet users like other articles, or have we decided that an article on Coulter falls below the standard for democratic exertion?--Fpresjh 21:26, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
- It's pretty sad when a hate monger like Coulter is lionized on a site that is reputedly organized around Christian values and her blatent hate speech is ( apparently seriously ) treated to a convulated etymology that priveledges definitions far removed in place and time over the one that she so obivously meant. Isn't there some sin in this? It just goes to show the hypocracy and fascism that this project embodies. Isn't lying a sin? Isn't corrupt use of power a sin? Oh, I forgot the intelligent design debate. Obviously some 'christians' think lying is ok when it serves a grander purpose like, say confirming their bias or damaging those they perceive as enemies for instance. Have you no shame? The lord's work indeed. Godman 15:44, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
- Godman, Why do you feel the necessity to engage in name calling? Isn't using vicious invective hate speech? What about impugning motives without cause? Doesn't throwing around the term "fascism" recklessly denigrate the meaning and suffering of fascism's real victims? RobS 16:16, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
- I think Coulter's actions speak for themselves. As a practicing Christian and a true conservative I feel some compulsion to point out when radical elements co-opt the label conservative and Christian for their own seemingly cynical ends. That saddens me, as it should any Christian and any patriot, and it weakens the impact of God's message and closes hearts of those whom Coulter attacks. I didn't throw out the label fascism lightly. Coulter's position and belief seem founded on its tenents. By your tacit defense of Coulter, I gather the 'god' you worship delights in hate speech and name calling as does the brand of 'conservatism' you embrace. As it is, conservapedia is an embarassment and an abomionation. The name should be changed to radicalapedia or fascipedia. Godman 18:48, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
- I really hope you're joking. To suggest that we should disregard MONTHS of precedent on this site and completely warp its original focus to somehow give the impression that one must be a "radical" or "fascist" in order to share their viewpoints is probably one of the most absurd, and, coincidentally, radical and fascistic concepts I have heard in a LONG time. --Deuteronomy 11:48, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
- Ann Coulter is a political entertainer. She knows this is true and the joke is on those who take her seriously. For instance, she recently made a joke that she's made more money off her comments about wishing Edwards was killed in a terrorist attack than he has made attacking her. She's laughing all the way to the bank. That said, conservapedia has a conversative, Christian bias. To lionize Coutler is to praise someone who is actually the enemy of religous conservatism. Her behavior does not represent any of the kind and noble virtues set forth in the Torah or the Christian bible. She doesn't represent intelligent, mature discussion of issues void of schoolyard antics. Her principle is to make money off controversy. Like a neo-con Rosie O'Donnell, happy to reap the rewards of a society voracious for public spectacle. I'm a democrat and more than happy to call a spade a spade, whether they be a republican or a democrat. To be taken seriously, you must be honest and live your word.
I think that the point is largely being missed here. It simply cannot be argued that Edwards comes across in a somewhat effeminate fashion, from the quality of his voice to his obsession with his hair. I think that Coulter was making a perfectly valid accusation, and that it should be taken seriously. Many homosexuals do marry in order to retain their mainstream appeal while continuing to engage in horrid "extracurricular" activities. Maybe we should seriously consider that Edwards is a "fag." Frankly, that she would back down on this sort of hardhitting genius for which we all respect her is really one of the most dissapointing occurences I can recall in her public history. ATB 11:35, 19 May 2007 (EDT)
How can a woman who is a self-proclaimed 'pot-stirrer' not have a section on controversy or criticism? I bet she would be upset if she saw that there is not a prominent list of liberal faggots that she's ticked off. User:RWest 15:58 23-7-2007
Ann's next book
Since the page is blocked, please add the following reference: Ann's book publisher, The Crown Publishing Group, has no problems with Ann and is planning an October release for her next book, "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans."[1] Crocoitetalk 18:42, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
- Done. MountainDew 02:31, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
- Ann Coulter is to politcal discourse what Richard Speck was to the nursing profession. Thanks to hatemongers like her, Savage, and Limbaugh, we've got a country split between Conservatives who think all Liberals are communist homosexuals who murder children for thrills, and Liberals who think all conservatives are jackbooted Neanderthals who can't wait to start another civil war. --Scrap 21:35, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
- The liberals are for free speech unless it is a conservative voicing their views not using politically correct speech. The left resorts to name calling labeling conservatives "hatemongers", "homophobes", etc. I've heard the Hollywood left saying hateful speech about President Bush and the left has no problem because it's liberal politically correct. Crocoitetalk 16:59, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
- I concur. Why do we put up with all these namby pamby goofs that want to keep us from the truth. Bill Clinto is gay, look at Hillary. I would be gay too if I was married to that. We should be able to say whatever we want on this site--it is for us--not them. Flippin 15:18, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
- And one more thing, why don't we call things like they are? I read somewhere that the word "cowboy" was being replaced by "person of the west" in kids' textbooks. Can't we just call them cowboys and indians? And what about Manhole covers? Do we really need to say "person-hole-covers?" I have many black friends and I don't refer to them as "african-american" or whatever--I call them black. They call me white and we get along. Sometimes, jokingly, we call each other 'negro' but so waht? we're friends. If we want to call each other something unpopular, who cares? I applaud that senator from Virginia for calling the kid macaca, or whatever. it was meant to be funny. Flippin 15:22, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
If this article is unlocked at some point, it should probably be added to Category:Political people or Category:Biographies. --Interiot 21:37, 18 March 2007 (EDT)
- Well that's all a matter on how one views Coulter, isn't it? I think she's in there with Mort Sahl, Rush Limbaugh, (and dare I say it:) Al Franken: People who're commentators on the world as THEY see it NOW. Sure, the underlying messages are serious but she's using the tongue-in-cheek method to be able to explore issues that one cannot approach in a serious fashion because it would look like attacks straight off. I think her a master of the use of hyperbole that gets her opponents so riled up as to leave their common sense, (and at times common courtesy), in the trunk of the car. And she knows this and plays it like it's all been scripted out beforehand.
- While I do not know the woman personally, I like her. In some ways she reminds me a bit of the Boss' mother. Strong, articulate, fast on her feet, personable with being overly deferential.
- MOO --Crackertalk 14:27, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
Perhaps some more information about her credentials
I'd like to see some more information about Ann Coulter's credentials as a journalist/commentator. Many people are unaware of her years of service as a lawyer in Washington. I'd be happy to make the addition if it was unlocked.
Biographical data
Shouldn't an entry on an individual include at least a little biographical information? Born, educated, work history, family, etc. This entry is not really about Ann Coulter, it's about what she writes about. This looks like a section in a lrger entry on Coulter, not a complete entry. Why is it blocked? How can this essential encyclopedia style information be added?
- It is my understanding that Ms. Coulter is unmarried, and carries on sexual relationships outside of marriage. This is very concerning to me, because this behavior is in direct violation of God's Laws. DunsScotus 14:33, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
shouldn't this information be in the article? I mean we know for a fact where she was educated, where she has worked, and what her residence is. Although on that last point there has been some dispute as her voter fraud run in with the law has shown. Would that be gossip or pertinent biographical data? The article as it stands is just pertaining to the Edwards flap and has little to do with Coulter. Why has this article been locked??
- I'm not sure how this is relevant. I find Ms. Coulter's unmarried status to be troubling, because she is of marriagable age. I would like this Conservative icon to find Love and reconcile her personal life with the Precepts of the Divine. DunsScotus 18:20, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
"Total Fag"
For context on how Ann was using the word to refer to Edwards, I just think its relevant to point out Ann's appearance on Hardball last July, after saying a day before that Bill Clinton was a latent homosexual.
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about your private life. How do you know that Bill Clinton's gay? COULTER: He may not be gay, but Al Gore, total fag.
So she's clearly aware of at least some connection between toe word Fag and homosexuality. So when she says that the word "has nothing to do with Gays," she's kind of... you know, lying. --RexMundane 15:04, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
OTHER WORD GAMES: If the censors who locked the article see this, in point of fact David Howard resigned after the "N-word" incident; he was not fired. Also, the reaction was not so much from "liberals" as from Marshall Brown, an African-American colleague of his who either misheard it or misunderstood it.
Coulter -- hardly a role model for Conservatives
Coulter is a puzzle -- how did someone who, on innumerable occasions, quite enjoys insulting, attacking, and saying nasty and unkind things about people with whom she disagrees ever become a beacon for people who loudly proclaim they are Christians? Judge not, that ye be not judged -- it seems plain enough that Christ himself decries such behavior, so I am eternally puzzled as to how self-avowed Christians find her actions admirable. On purely logical grounds, her ad hominem attacks against Edwards and others are laughable (but not in the way she imagines). In any case, what we have here is not an encylopedia entry, it's a puff piece, and one locked away so that none of us who may differ with it can do anything about it. That doesn't sound to me as though it will lead to "a conservative encyclopedia you can trust"! Boethius 22:15, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
I think Coulter's entire persona is a parody of the typical conservatives idea of 'jerk fodder.' At least I hope it is. If she's a real person... ... wow. Doesn't bear thinking about, really. --BillOReillyFan 22:22, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
- So? The article doesn't say that Coulter is a role model. RSchlafly 22:34, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
- She's trying to get attention. She wants people to read her books and columns and listen to her.
- Her contention is that liberals shut down debate and monopolize the airwaves and print media with their biased POV. After she gets the audience's attention, she points out this liberal bias and gives a consevative retort.
- She uses irony, mockery and sarcasm to keep the reader's attention as she makes her points.
- IMHO she does this as a deliberate tactic, not because it's her nature. But my tactic vs. nature speculation is, well, just personal speculation. I wish she conducted herself with as much dignity as Diane Ravitch or Lynne Cheney. On the other hand, who but me has ever read the latter two's works? Ravitch is virtually unknown outside the academic world, and Cheney is regarded merely as the VP's wife. At least Coulter gets her points across in books that keep making the New York Times bestseller list. --Ed Poor 10:14, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
- Coulter tells it like it is!--bill m 12:07, 29 March 2007 (EDT) 12:45, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
- Yeah, and all those times where she's been roven to be wrong just shows you how biased objective reality can be trying to smear her, right?--RexMundane 08:46, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
- Coulter tells it like it is!--bill m 12:07, 29 March 2007 (EDT) 12:45, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
- IMHO she does this as a deliberate tactic, not because it's her nature. But my tactic vs. nature speculation is, well, just personal speculation. I wish she conducted herself with as much dignity as Diane Ravitch or Lynne Cheney. On the other hand, who but me has ever read the latter two's works? Ravitch is virtually unknown outside the academic world, and Cheney is regarded merely as the VP's wife. At least Coulter gets her points across in books that keep making the New York Times bestseller list. --Ed Poor 10:14, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
- I think Coulter is Funny. Liberals are allowed to have their Al Frankens -why can't we have our comedians. Of course, some of her language is inappropriate for small children. However, for adults -she is just fine.
ChristianFaith 14:10, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
Schoolyard taunt?
The thing that nobody seems to be commenting on is that she believes she's defending herself by calling the word "a schoolyard taunt."
Are "schoolyard taunts" the proper stuff of discourse between adults on matters of consequence? Does she think it is appropriate for a woman in her forties to be behaving like a schoolchild? Dpbsmith 22:28, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
- why don't you call her up and ask her? Jaques 20:07, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
- Do you know where I could get appropriate contact information? Dpbsmith 06:31, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
- Get over it. Most politicians have occasionally made a childish wisecrack about someone on the other side of a political battle. Find me someone who never uses a taunt, and that would be news. RSchlafly 20:44, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
- I didn't say "it doesn't happen." Are you saying you consider it to be appropriate? For liberals? For conservatives? For responsible adults? Dpbsmith 11:13, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
- I'd call Bush lied, people died a taunt. No one seems to care about how many Kurds Saddam gassed. --Ed Poor 22:40, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
- Erm, you could say that Bush cared for the Kurds, considering he deposed Saddam. Highly unlikely, though. --Hojimachongtalk 22:42, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
- I'd call Bush lied, people died a taunt. No one seems to care about how many Kurds Saddam gassed. --Ed Poor 22:40, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
Offensive manner
We could mention reports of people taking offense but it's not objective to label her manner as offensive. Here's an example. Suppose I say that atheism is sinful, and John Smith feels offended. Have I given offense? Hard to say.
But if he voices an objection, we can certainly quote him:
- Ed says atheism is a sin. John called Ed's remark "offensive".
That's how I would do it. --Ed Poor 11:46, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
- It would not be offensive to atheists, because sin is the transgression of God's Law, and atheists do not believe in God, so it would be like someone accusing you of transgressing the law of Zeus, or Baal. Teresita 14:43, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
The opening sentence describes that Ann Coulter is "comedic" yet the article only demonstrates that the despises "liberals" and is indifferent to cultures of other nations. Previously there was the commentary on the not-gay-related-at-all John Edwards "Faggot" remark, and since a room full of conservatives found that laugh-out-loud hilarious for whatever reason, that claim could be made, but since that is no longer present on the article there is no explanation or demonstration of her being funny. Please either remove the word or demonstrate how she's "Comedic", and if you could, explain how calling people Stupid Traitorous Lying Religiously-Godless Fanatical Faggots (who must not be spoken to) is funny? Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and it only seems to me to be insulting. --RexMundane 12:51, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
- If it will give you any comfort, Ann Coulter is relegated to the lunatic fringe by the rest of the right-wing commentariat, along with Michael Savage. You would never find her as a guest on the Hugh Hewitt show, for example. Teresita 14:40, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
- I dont think being invited as a major speaker at the Conservatice Political Action Conference jives with being "relegated to the fringe," and neither does Mitt Romney endorsing her before she speaks, but maybe thats just me.--RexMundane 15:56, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building,"
I agree that this is sufficiently troubling that a good source is needed. I think it is relevant precisely because it seems to me to go beyond the bounds of anything that can possibly be brushed off as humor. I think an Associated Press story printed in USA Today is a good enough source.
If the issue is whether the New York Observer actually printed this, I'm willing to pay the $2.95 to confirm it, but I don't think this is at issue. If this issue is whether she really said it, presumably if she issued a "clarification" (which IMHO makes it worse) to rightwingnews.com that means she acknowledges saying it. I haven't actually found this in rightwingnews.com, but believe that the AP would be reliable on this. As nearly as I can tell, rightwingnews.com is actually a conservative website (not one on which liberals track right wing excesses or anything like that). Dpbsmith 09:05, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
Found the Right Wing News interview. Dpbsmith 10:56, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
- Help me write Out of context. It also might need a title change. --Ed Poor 10:59, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
interesting artlcle
As you can imagine (if you read my user page) I somewhat disagree with Ms. Coulter on one or two issues. What I found amusing about this article was that, after the blushingly adoring intro paragraphs, there are a bunch of quotes. Ironically, they are the ones I am familiar with, from hard core left wing sources. Nice job on the balance! First she is praised, then her nut-job ideas are actually quoted so people can "decide"
who what she is. Human 22:32, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
- The misquote was obviously intended to make Coulter appear to be joking about genocide when in actual context it is nothing of the sort. She in fact is paraphrasing liberals. RobS 23:00, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
- Which quote are you referring to? I am talking about all of them. Human 23:11, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
- Are you saying these quotes are made up? --PF Fox 12:52, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
- No, not at all. I just find it odd that the same quotes that travel in liberal circles to show, um, what we think of Ms. Coulter are the ones being presented here. Meaning, they mostly horrify me, rather than make her seem like a leader or intelligent pundit. Ah, and the previous comments get confusing - I was asking "which quote" is the "misquote". My first comment was about "all of them". Human 13:16, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
- Are you saying these quotes are made up? --PF Fox 12:52, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
Why do you find it surprising that liberals would comment on the outrageous things that Ms. Coulter has said? Do you think that her horrifying comments about executing liberals and her disgusting smear against women who lost their husbands to 9/11 are not revealing and should not been repeated when assessing her as a pundit? --PF Fox 13:19, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
- Do conservatives really consider her a "thinker" or am I reading too much in this? She sounds like a total fruitcake. I mean, if she didn't go to law school, I imagine her pushing a shopping cart and arguing with mailboxes. That's about the level of thought I expect form her. Who cares what she says? She's a total idiot. Flippin 13:23, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
- She's a "total idiot" who is regularly invited to give her opinions at major Conservative gatherings and on nationally broadcast talk shows, and the misinformation she's disseminated about, for instance, Joseph McCarthy, is routinely repeated as fact by naive and ignorant souls who mistake her books for nonfiction. --PF Fox 13:27, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
- I know, I know. I'm just saying she's basically a troll that gets fed by ultra-conservatives and I wish they'd stop. Kind of like watching an ugly guy ask out a cute girl and the process takes a long time and is really uncomfortable.... That is what I think every time I see her on TV. Flippin 14:21, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
- Why should they "stop feeding her?" She's not only a valuable source of misinformation, she helps to push out the boundaries of debate in this country closer and closer to direct advocacy of violence and political repression against Moslems, liberals, and other people she dislikes. They like that. That's why they "feed" her. --PF Fox 14:25, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
- makes my heart "bleed" a little more every time I read the first two lines of her column on Thursdays. Flippin 14:56, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
Strong following?
While there has been much talk about her as a role model above, I'd like to know if the following is true:
"Coulter has earned a strong following among conservatives".
Every right-wing american I know either considers her a joke, or at least "you have Michael Moore, we have Ann Coulter, they are equally bad" (not that I would ever compare Moore to Coulter). Leopeo 04:16, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
By taking on a human form it is able to gather minions.
"We need to execute people like John Walker [Lindh] in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors," Conservative Political Action Conference, January 2002. Coulter later clarified what she meant; "when I said we should "execute" John Walker Lindh, I mis-spoke. What I meant to say was 'We should burn John Walker Lindh alive and televise it on prime-time network TV'. My apologies for any misunderstanding that might have occurred. " [9]
A very Christian idea. I'm sure Jesus approves whole-heartedly. Prof0705 12:05, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
- There is capital punishment in the Bible. Do you think the dictum "Judge not, lest ye be judged" was meant to give carte blanche to evil? Jesus spent most of his time telling people to stop doing bad things. --Ed Poor 12:08, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
- I agree. Jesus regularly advocated burning sinners to death. I'm agreeing with you.Prof0705 12:10, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
- The only places I can think of where Jesus did anything like call for the death penalty is when he's calling out the Pharisees in Mark 7 and Matthew 15. Brainslug 12:15, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
Jersey girls
moved from User talk:Ed Poor
"Ad Hominem" Attacks:
"Rather than answering any of her criticisms of liberal ideology substantively, critics made ad hominem attacks. Ad hominem or "to the person", rather than against what she is saying. It is typical of liberals to change the subject and refuse to debate issues but rather to distract people with side issues or outright irrelevancies."
- Okay Ed, let's see if I've got this straight. Ann Coulter describing the Jersey Widows as "harpies," suggesting they hurry up and pose for PLAYBOY before they get too old, and announcing that they are "enjoying" their husbands deaths is NOT an ad hominem attack on these widows -- But objecting to her insulting these women in such a gross, deeply personal manner IS an ad hominem attack?
- Care to explain this? --PF Fox 15:37, 17 May 2007 (EDT)
- Ad hominem means against the person, not against what they're saying. If the Jersey widows have presented a POV on topic X, and if Coulter wore to say that their POV is wrong or should be ignored because of personal attribute Y, then she'd be making an ad hominem argument. If so, you should describe all that in the Ann Coulter article. Be sure to state whet the widows' POV is first, though. --Ed Poor 09:03, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
(afterthought) I just found out the the phrase "ad hominem" is also used simply as a synonym for "personal attack". It does not have to be a fallacy, it can simply be bad manners. Perhaps this is the sense in which you were using the term? If so, please be clear.
We need to distinguish between (1) ad hominem argment (sometimes expressed in Latin as argument ad hominem) and (2) a personal attack, e.g., a gratuitious swipe, an insult, etc. If you plan on staying around in this encyclopedia project, you must be prepared at a moment's notice to explain yourself more clearly. Using straightforward, unambiguous terminology is always better than using vague language, especially when it's about a hot topic. Clear terms can cool things down. --Ed Poor 09:12, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
- Yes, Ed, I know that "Ad Hominem means against the person, not against what they're saying." And yes, ad hominems quite frequently take the form of a personal attack, as Ann Coulter's ad hominem against the Jersey Girls most certainly does. It therefore qualifies as both a fallacy and bad manners. What do you consider unclear about this? What do you consider puzzling or ambiguous about the inappropriateness of a passage in which Ann Coulter's refers to these women as "harpies" who are enjoying their husband's deaths, makes the disgusting suggestion that they pose for Playboy before they get too old, and suggests that their deceased husbands might have been planning to divorce them anyway? Do you really need me to explain to you WHY this passage of Ann Coulter's qualifies as both an ad hominem attack and an outrageous and inappropriate personal attack on them?
- The Jersey girls roused Coulter's ire by insisting on the formation of the 9/11 commission and by being both vocal and critical about the way in which 9/11 has been handled by the Bush administration. Coulter responded by grossly insulting them. I invite you to read Laurie Van Auken's July 22, 2005 statement (http://www.nowpublic.com/node/16472) and explain to me where exactly she talks about enjoying her husband's death, where she speculates about maybe appearing in PLAYBOY, where she talks about her husband trying to divorce her. Then maybe you can explain HOW Coulter galloping off into speculation about their marriages and their looks qualifies as a substantive response.
- Still looking forward to your vigorous defense of the...uh..."arguments" presented by Coulter in that quote. Remember, Ed -- use "straightforward unambiguous terminology" while you're offering us all what you know about these women's personal lives and appearances, and be sure to explain to us how it's relevant. --PF Fox 13:17, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
You seem to misunderstand the purpose of this web site. I'm not about to "defend" anyone, any more than you would be justified to "attack" them. We have already agreed that personal attacks are out of place here. Or at least I have decreed them to be out of place, and I have fairly consistent backing from senior staff on that. Whether you agree or not, I'm not sure.
- But as you know, Ed, the issue is not whether or personal attacks are acceptable here on Conservapedia. The issue is Ann Coulter's attack on the Jersey Girls in her recent book. I included the relevant quote in a Conservapedia article on that book. You removed it on the strange grounds that somehow that quote was irrelevant, and then added an odd little paragraph about how liberals are frequently guilty of ad hominem attacks -- something that made no sense unless you were claiming that objecting to Coulter's attack on the Jersey Girls somehow qualified as a liberal "ad hominem" attack on her. --PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
Your strategy seems to be to attack Coulter and then challenge me to refute your attack. What you hope to accomplish by this strategy is beyond me. If it has any connection with writing the Ann Coulter article, I'll allow it, though.
- My "strategy" is to include relevant passages in Conservapedia articles. You didn't want that quote from Coulter included, probably because it reveals far too much about why so many people object to Ann Coulter. I maintain the passage is relevant and belongs in the article.--PF Fox 18:40, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
Perhaps you find Coulter's remarks insulting.
- Don't YOU find her comments about the Jersey Girls insulting? --PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
If so, you might want to add something to the article about her writing and/or speaking style. Does she pepper her comments with personal attacks? If so, how often? And how does the frequency or percentage of this compare to other pundits, authors, or public figures? Do politicians ever do this?
- Yes, she peppers her comments with personal attacks, far more frquently than other pundits, authors, and public figures who enjoy the same level of exposure. I know of no politician who has made remarks comparable to her's about "physically intimidating liberals" or her "witty" implications that Moslems smell (quotes happily supplied on request) and I would be very interested to learn of any, if you know about them. And if you really REALLY want me to add these kind of comments to the article on GODLESS I'll be happy to do it -- and will expect those comments to remain in place once they're there. --PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
Or maybe it is Personal attacks in general you disagree with. That's a red link, which as you know means that you are free to start an article on that topic. Are personal attacks always out of place?
- Unless you are a close relative and friend, yes. --PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
Is it wrong to accuse people of personal faults?
- If the "personal faults" you are accusing them of involve information you have no way of knowing, like how they felt about their husbands, what the state of their marriage was, and whether they have plans to pose for nudie magazines, yes, it is wrong.--PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
Or is it only wrong when you do so to distract attention from what-they-are-saying to who-they-are?
- The kind of remarks Ann Coulter made about the Jersey Widows are wrong in any context.--PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
What do you think of Double standards?
- They stink. --PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
Should one standard of conduct be applied equally to all people and all nations?
- Yes. --PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
Or should our political opponents be held to a substantially higher standard than our political allies?
- No. --PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
How much slack are we entitled to cut our friends?
- None. --PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
Or, to put it another way, how much wrongdoing must we overlook in our friends before we finally have to say, "You have crossed the line. I just can't cover for you any more."?
- None. --PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
Back to the matter at hand: you have repeated in some additional detail that Coulter attacked the "Jersey Girls". I'm not sure why you added all this detail, because I read a lot about it when the flap occurred. There's no question that her comments constitute a personal attack. Same as her swipe at Edwards:
- At the end of her speech ... Coulter said: "I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards, but it turns out that you have to go into rehab if you use the word faggot, so I'm kind of at an impasse." [2]
- I added "that detail" because in a discussion of the book in which it appeared, it is relevant. --PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
Would you like to write something about the way Coulter attracts attention to her message with sarcasm and insults? The JG and JE cracks certainly look typical. --Ed Poor 15:01, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
- A member of the Sept. 11 commission ... lashed out at ... Coulter for a "hate-filled attack" in saying the widows whose husbands died in the World Trade Center used the deaths for their own political gain. [3]
- I am more interested in the extent to which the right continues to invite her to important conservative conferences, even as they attempt to deflect criticsm of her remarks with the old "She's just kidding," or "the poor dear just wants attention..." wheezes. --PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
Even though this is a completely one-side article which amounts to a personal attack on Coulter, we can cite it - if we investigate the context of Coulter's remarks. Was she just saying that the widows used the deaths for their own political gain, or did she offer any grounds for saying this?
- How does simply quoting Ann Coulter and noting that her comments aroused controversy qualify as a "personal attack?" --PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
An even more interesting question, of course, if whether she only responded to the widows' political remarks or requests with an attack - or whether she had counterargments. If the press only reported her "insult" then the real story is how one-sided the press is. Are AP, Washington Post, USA Today, et al. dominated by Democratic partisanship or are they known to be utterly objective or even neutral? --Ed Poor 15:15, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
- That question is completely irrelevant, Ed. Even if Coulter included substantive counter-arguments to the JG's statements, that would not excuse her calling them "harpies," accusing them of "enjoying" their husband's deaths, and nastily implying that they should pose for PLAYBOY.--PF Fox 18:39, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
Shouldn't something be added about the many protests staged by students and others when she's speaking, not to mention the infamous pie incident from The University of Arizona? SirJim 18:23, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
- Specific mention of certain protests probably isn't important, as certain student activists/extremists will protest just about anything. However, the pie incident actually does deserve to be included in my opinion. Bohdan 18:29, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
- See what the others think. Bohdan 18:29, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
- I think it gives a victory to what was intended as a political act but in reality is a criminal assualt. Personally, I'd be opposed, unless someone can give a good reason for inclusion. RobS 18:36, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
- It shows the depravity and incivility of those who did it. Bohdan 18:38, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
- This was a take off of quite a common European leftist technique to grab headlines, and embarass high profile people. It is quite commonly used in the Netherlands, I believe. It wouldn't have happened here if people didn't hear about it through news sources and such, so I think we have ample evidence that reporting it only encourages this sort of criminal assualt on political opponents. RobS 19:04, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
- Sounds good. I'm not surprised it happens in the Netherlands. Bohdan 19:21, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
- This was a take off of quite a common European leftist technique to grab headlines, and embarass high profile people. It is quite commonly used in the Netherlands, I believe. It wouldn't have happened here if people didn't hear about it through news sources and such, so I think we have ample evidence that reporting it only encourages this sort of criminal assualt on political opponents. RobS 19:04, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
- It shows the depravity and incivility of those who did it. Bohdan 18:38, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
- I think it gives a victory to what was intended as a political act but in reality is a criminal assualt. Personally, I'd be opposed, unless someone can give a good reason for inclusion. RobS 18:36, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
- See what the others think. Bohdan 18:29, 18 July 2007 (EDT)


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I hope it's not in between shooting. They should only put real stills in the calender.mlola619 wrote:YourFavoriteAries wrote:But there is conversation going on....mlola619 wrote:it's probably just them walking to their cars after school- that is the school in the backround so yeah.YourFavoriteAries wrote:
Also any and every Cullen scene without Bella but especially this scene:
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^Edward, Alice, And Jasper walking....somewhere. To a car from school maybe...
I don't know what it is but it's no in the books cause Bella isn't there.
lol i really think it was something in between shooting, but then again i mean it's not like the Cullens haven't ever talked on the way to their car...right? haha
But then again what on earth would posses Carlisle to stand like that with a baseball bat?
Not that I'm complaining but...
but still, If that tiny talking scene is the only Edward/Jasper/Alice I'm going to get then I most definitely look forward to it!


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Minn. woman stuck in car on icy pond for 18 hours
MINNEAPOLIS — Nancy Breberg was lost, creeping along on slippery roads in search of a suburban hotel when her SUV slid off the road and down an embankment onto an icy pond.
For the next 18 hours, the 67-year-old woman was trapped, praying for help as water seeped over her feet and temperatures fell into the teens.
Breberg, a diabetic, might not have survived if a passing bicyclist hadn't spotted her vehicle's wheel sticking up through brush that made it difficult to see.
When he went closer to investigate, he saw someone in a pink jacket moving inside. Then Breberg called out for help.
"She was pretty weak," bicyclist Geoffrey Racette said Monday as Breberg was recovering at a Minneapolis hospital.
"She said that she wasn't able to get out of the car and was stuck in there. She couldn't crawl out the back."
Racette crawled through the back window and fed Breberg some Chex Mix he had been carrying on his ride.
She pointed him to her bag of medication, which he retrieved and handed over to paramedics who soon arrived.
Breberg's husband, Ron Breberg, 66, said she was on a breathing tube, sedated and getting fluids Monday as part of the recovery process.
He said doctors don't think his wife will need skin grafts for her frostbitten feet and she has no broken bones or other serious injuries — she just needs time to heal.
Ron Breberg said he was looking forward to getting time to call Racette and thank him for rescuing his wife.
Nancy Breberg was looking for a hotel in St. Louis Park, where she was supposed to attend a dinner about 7:30 Friday night, when her SUV veered off the road, crashed through a fence, went down the embankment and landed on the pond on the driver's side, according to the police report. The impact broke the ice and allowed water into the passenger compartment.
Breberg was able to get her seat and shoulder belt off, her husband said, but the water shorted out the vehicle's electrical system, so she couldn't open the windows or unlock the doors, and she couldn't get her legs working well enough to crawl out the broken back window.
Her cellphone ended up in the water, where she couldn't reach it. She had no food but sucked on a piece of ice to get some water, he said.
"She was just hoping and praying that somebody could find her," Ron Breberg said.
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Public transport
The main types of public transport in Odessa are trams, trolleybuses and minibuses ("marshrutka").
It is not common for drivers to speak English. So, unless you speak Russian or feel adventurous, avoid public transport. Once you're in the city center, virtually everything you need (lodging, cafes and restaurants, places of interest, and the hackathon venue) is within walking distance.
Be careful when you wait for the luggage. It doesn't come on a classical baggage carousel. Instead you have to wait on the STREET in front of the airport for the airport truck.
As soon as you exit the customs, there will be lots of taxi drivers asking you if you need a taxi. Their prices are VERY high and they basically rip tourists off, so do not agree. The normal ride to the city center should not cost more than 60 UAH. It's better to call one of the taxis under the phones below.
There is also minibus 117 which goes to the city center. But see the warning above regarding public transport.
Taxi Service
Below are the phone numbers of some of the taxi services in Odessa. If possible, ask someone who speaks Russian to order a taxi. You can also call or text Roman if you need assistance.
- Bond
- +380 48 7 007 007
- Europe
- +380 63 735 40 85
- Allo
- +380 66 976 32 22
You can exchange USD and EUR for UAH in many currency exchange points around the city. There are also plenty of ATMs.
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The Financial District is swarming with bankers, traders and potentially... world-famous pop stars?! The New York Post is reporting that uber-famous Usher is interested in buying a penthouse loft at 20 Pine Street, the 1920's office building turned luxury condo creation designed by Armani/Casa, complete with a Turkish spa, tremendous pool and golf-simulation room.
The first space he saw is reportedly now in contract, but the second secret loft unit isn't even officially on the market. It's got over 1,820 square feet with two bedrroms, two bathrooms and city views to make a grown man cry.
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Evidence seems to be mounting in support of the theory, but the latest brick in the wall
Samples of diamonds, gold and silver that have been found in the [Ohio] region have been conclusively sourced through X-ray diffractometry in the lab of UC Professor of Geology Warren Huff back to the diamond fields region of Canada.
The only plausible scenario available now for explaining their presence this far south is the kind of cataclysmic explosive event described by West's theory. "We believe this is the strongest evidence yet indicating a comet impact in that time period," says Tankersley.
...raised a few problems for me. I wrote:
I cannot get this to jibe with earlier articulations of the theory. Specifically, geophysicist Allen West has previously suggested that the impactor exploded before touching ground (a la the Tunguska Event), this to explain the absence of a crater. But how could diamonds originating in the Canadian diamond fields have turned up so far South if not as ejecta from a (still undiscovered) crater?
I fired off an e-mail re these concerns to some of the theory's architects, and yesterday Mr. West himself was kind enough to respond and address this point:
The hypothesis is fairly complex. We believe the impact was a collision with a cloud of debris, much like Comet LINEAR [see above left]. The smaller objects would have detonated in the atmosphere, much like Tunguska. Depending on the angle of entry, the largest objects could have impacted the 3-km-thick ice sheet, creating ice-walled craters that left no lasting imprint on bedrock.
There are multiple processes that could account for the diamonds: 1) some diamonds appear to have condensed inside burning biomass due to the heat and pressure of the impacts/airbursts; 2) diamonds are known form from shock impact upon terrestrial materials, such as coal, peat, carbonate rock, which would have been entrained as detritus in the ice sheet or would have been near the surface under the ice; 3) diamonds may have been formed by carbon vapor deposition (CVD) in the plasma of the fireball; 4) pre-existing kimberlite diamonds could have been ejected into the air along with other detritus entrained in the ice sheet; and 5) the impacts/airbursts most likely created immense meltwater surges both from above and below the ice and which would have carried pre-existing diamonds and other debris along with the meltwater.
Thank you Mr. West.
While I still had his ear, I asked Mr. West about my favorite part of the theory, where several of his co-workers had produced evidence that, at around the time of the onset of the Younger Dryas
In simulations, the initial explosions of a highly fragmented comet appear to be able to push aside the atmosphere and allow the particles from subsequent explosions to travel with almost no atmospheric friction. This is all theoretical but explains some seemingly inexplicable phenomena.


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My favorite new Aussie dance-pop band Strange Talk is doing a small US tour this week, with two dates in California and a few dates in New York around CMJ.
The band, which formed after a former classical violinist (Stephen Docker) and a DJ/Producer (Gerard Sidhu) met at a house party in Melbourne, released their self-titled debut EP on Neon Gold in 2011 and is working on their full-length album which is due out in 2013. In the meantime, they have released a few singles, most recently "Cast Away," and have been busy remixing tracks for other artists, including Foster the People, The Naked and Famous, and The Temper Trap. They also found time to record a pretty amazing version of "Roxanne" by The Police (listen here).
If you're in San Francisco, you can catch Strange Talk tonight at Rickshaw Stop (get tickets here). Or join me tomorrow in Los Angeles at The Echo (get tickets here). Don't forget to bring your dancing shoes!
They'll be in New York for a few dates too:
October 17 - Mercury Lounge (CMJ Windish Showcase)
October 18 - New Shapes at Santos Party House (limited entry with CMJ badges)
October 19 - Terminal 5 (with The Presets and YACHT)


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Even a truly morally reprehensible, super-violent movie has its place in the culture. I'm not talking about a film like Dark Knight Rises, which in the wake of the Aurora shootings was the subject of our most recent cultural spasm over Hollywood violence. That was actually a thoughtful, artistic commentary on violence that wasn't all that violent. No, I'm thinking of something like Dredd, which doesn't strive to be thoughtful; it just wants to kill lots of people in the bloodiest ways possible. It's a movie that's Not Good For You; your kids shouldn't see it—but you'll have a blast watching it.
Based on the Judge Dredd comic book character created by John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra, Dredd was first made into a movie starring Sylvester Stallone in 1995, which was around the time that people decided they were tired of Stallone movies. (Or maybe the nation wasn't prepared to accept Rob Schneider as a comic sidekick in their action films.) The new film returns to what I gather was the key selling point of the original comics. As played by Karl Urban (Bones in the new Star Trek films), Dredd is essentially a futuristic Dirty Harry: He enforces the law without worrying about what a sadistic thug he is. In the movie, Dredd has no back story or character arc—his face obscured by a helmet, we don't even see his eyes—and even when he delivers one-liners after killing baddies, he doesn't do it with any joy. He's here to take out the trash, and in the futuristic, crime-ridden Mega City One, there's nothing but trash to take out, all the time.
The unsmiling Dredd is partnered with a rookie named Anderson (Olivia Thirlby), and Dredd is convinced this kid won't last a day on these gritty streets, even though she has psychic powers. She gets a chance to prove herself, though, when they go into one of the city's towering slums to bust a notorious drug lord named Ma-Ma (Lena Headey). They arrest one of her foot soldiers, whom she doesn't want blabbing to the cops, and so she announces to all the slum's fiendish residents that she'll pay handsomely for the murder of Dredd and Anderson. Pretty soon, you have The Raid: Redemption with less martial arts and a lot more exploding bodies.
There's no point in complaining about Dredd's questionable content. As combined judge, jury, and executioner, the movie's Judges don't bother arresting people. They just kill anyone who gives them problems. The film allows for an approximately 15-second moment when Anderson wonders about the ethics of killing indiscriminately, but then she gets over it and starts killing again. This attitude isn't a moral shortcoming in the film; it's what director Pete Travis is selling, and he sells it with the passion of a true believer. Dredd isn't the sort of film you'd describe as funny, but it inspires laughs because of how knowingly over the top it is. If you can find it within yourself to cackle with pleasure at the elegance of a guy getting his Adam's apple crushed right in front of you—in 3D—then there are several other equally astounding "Oh, hell no!" moments awaiting you.
For a guy who has to do all of his emoting with his jawline, Urban is quite effective. As conceived by screenwriter/novelist Alex Garland (28 Days Later), Dredd is a humorless dude doing the worst job in the world. You can't even say he's particularly heroic: He shoots people in the back and says everything in the same gruff why-are-you-bothering-me? monotone. But Urban's commitment to Dredd's dickishness makes the character weirdly admirable. Dredd doesn't change or grow, and most of the time he genuinely doesn't seem to care one way or the other what happens to Anderson. He doesn't have time for emotions and stuff—he's got bad guys to kill, damn it.
If Dredd's hyper-violence is the sort of thing that will inspire outrage from all the predictable camps, it ought to be pointed out how brutally effective this shoot-'em-up is. The movie's high-rise slum—the film's main location—is a tense, endlessly claustrophobic environment. (The long, grimly lit corridors seem borrowed from the Saw films.) And since the filmmakers make it pretty clear from the beginning how bloody and merciless the proceedings are going to be, you're never quite sure what violent horrors you'll witness. (You probably think you've seen every way that bodies can hit pavement from high distances. You are incorrect.) The movie's attitudes may be Neanderthal, but the film's crude, propulsive intensity has been constructed with great care. Dredd zips along, rarely questioning its own motives or its social value.
Every few months we'll get a straight-up genre movie—Lockout, Safe, The Expendables 2—that wants to be celebrated for how unapologetically old-school, violent-for-violence's-sake it is. Too often, though, these movies feel the need to wink, to undercut themselves with self-deprecation, to let the audience know that the whole thing is really just for fun. Dredd, bless its dark heart, doesn't do that. It starts off in a horrible post-apocalyptic landscape, and it just gets bleaker and meaner from there. The film doesn't allow you to enjoy it from a safe, "ironic" distance—it throws you into the middle of the carnage. If Hollywood is going to be indicted for making mindlessly violent action films, let them at least be as good as this one.
Grade: B
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