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Susan BradleyAskWoody MVP
Is it just me or is April patching sort of like April weather? Really unpredictable. We just got a totally revised Security update rollup (aka "A" pa
[See the full post at: Patch Lady – We just got a new update for April]
Susan Bradley Patch Lady
The Catalog download for KB4093118 for Windows 7 x64 – the only download for KB4093118 that I tested – has not changed since its initial release. The digital signature for file windows6.1-kb4093118-x64_5ea1778b896fcc764e0db8da7d094f62dc98d82f.msu is dated April 2, 2018. I'm not sure if file pciclearstalecache_275ee12e503f3d6b89d3f725fa950c8973f20d2d.exe was present in the Catalog a few days ago.
Could this have to do with the fact that the correct 4099975-package (that is: including the .exe, not only the .cabs) was always present in the catalogue-version?
~ Annemarie
@Annemarie The Catalog update was never different and the regular patch include all that is needed. Only the logic built in is flawed.
It is a new update in WSUS, while the old version is expired. Not a simple (metadata) revision this time.
This does not mean that those who installed the original patch have to do anything special other than upgrading in place, at least in theory.
To be on the safer side though, one has to uninstall everything related to at least 2018-04 and 2018-03 or even better 2018-02 and 2018-01 in addition to those mentioned before and wait for Patch Lady's instructions. Or for those even more defensive, wait for Woody's MS-DEFCON to change to 3 or above.
Maybe not yet?
EDIT: Actually the core update KB4093118-x64 has the date of 2/04/2018.
The updated component dated 12/04/2018 is PCIClearStaleCache.exe
I would say that those who installed the updates previously successfully will not have the new one offered, as there is no real change, but different internal logic of installing the bundled components.
bifidoAskWoody Lounger
KB4093118 supposed to replace KB4088875, and yes, cleanup utility marked it as superseded, but how it can be possible – KB4093118 is much smaller than KB4088875 (difference for cab file is about 8Mb (x86) and 17Mb (x64)) ? This is the first time, when a newer rollup smaller than previous. If comparing the file list of this updates we have for KB4093118:
New files
Missed files
So, KB4093118 is really replace KB4088875 ?
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See https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/april-2018-patch-tuesday-is-here-and-its-a-biggie/#post-183436.
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Win 7 32, sp1, group B, all security updates till december 2017. Now I'm offered KB4093118 along with KB2952664. Hid the last one and KB4093118 is gone. Restored &KB2952664, did a search and KB4093118 is back again. I'm not installing anything, just curious about how this thing works.
Good morning to all of you, Alberto (this is Argentina)
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"This update replaces update 4100480, Windows kernel update for CVE-2018-1038."
But after searching for new updates (w7 64 bit) KB4100480 is still being offered and ready to be installed (check marked).
Any clue why this is happening?
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KB4100480 isn't metadata-superseded by any update according to the Catalog.
CybertoothAskWoody Plus
Anonymous wrote:
"This update replaces update 4100480, Windows kernel update for CVE-2018-1038."
But after searching for new updates (w7 64 bit) KB4100480 is still being offered and ready to be installed (check marked).
And MrBrian replied:
KB4100480 isn't metadata-superseded by any update according to the Catalog.
So here we have an update that is "replaced" by another one, but not "superseded" by anything, and therefore (?) it still shows up in WU even though it's been replaced.
Anymore, trying to understand Windows patching is getting to be like trying to understand Sartre or Heidegger.
After installing KB4093118 or KB4093108, Windows Update will probably not offer KB4100480 even if you never installed KB4100480. This is due to component-supersedence.
Should the users who use only Windows Update care about LDR at all?
I think this has relevance only when the users start installing hotfixes obtained by request or KB3125574.
I confirm @MrBrian's findings, although I did not reproduce the test in full. It appears that KB4100480 is no longer offered, not sure if related to supersedence or because it was silently withdrawn, being considered just a short term out-of-band workaround.
What I find interesting is that KB4099950 is still being offered regardless of the other patches, or at least in some context.
Windows 7 is too messy to spend more time with it. I am not using Windows 7 anymore except for one test VM. I am on 17133.73 on few personal machines and I don't find any serious issues at all, although Microsoft seems to think otherwise. I have an ongoing interest in Windows 7 just because its updating is so intriguing and messy, otherwise I find it past its due date. I don't even use Windows 7 at work, being on Windows 10 for a long time now. Those looking for quality and not interested in the latest fads should use Windows 8.1, which is still maintained well by its association with Windows Server 2012 R2.
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I just updated 4 Win7 machines (2 Home x86, 1 Home x64, 1 Ultimate x64) with April updates. All were offered KB4099950 checked, the 64-bit was also offered kb4100480 checked. One old laptop x86 got kb4093108 and kb4092946. All the rest got kb4093118.
No black screen, no BSOD, no loss of network connectivity, no messed up profiles. All seem to be working OK.
Should users install KB4100480 first and then kb4093118? Or the other way around?
Since you are using the Rollup, you should install using Windows Update and use whatever is CHECKED by default. Windows Update will install them in the correct order.
I tested again and confirm that KB4100480 is still offered.
For the other confused users here, it should probably be mentioned again and again that the best approach is to install the updates as they come on Windows Update and avoid installing manually, being concerned with "Groups" and other dubious types of implementation.
Just follow Susan Bradley and you cannot fail.
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Hi Ch100,
I don't think you noticed, but even Susan made a recommendation for Windows 7 users to uninstall updates back to December, and wait until Microsoft fixes the mess…
Its been a mess, and there are real reasons not to update automatically. There are sound reasons for choosing Group B (as a way to not allow Microsoft to put telemetry onto my machine, or for those that must avoid a particular patch for their system to function okay).
I wish it was as easy as you descibe, but Microsoft isn't being just a little flakey… they are being a lot flakey…
Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter
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I certainly wish I could have stayed with Group B, but it became too much for this old pea brain. I've been following Woody on this forum and on Infoworld and then Computerworld for sometime, but only recently got up the courage to ask questions. I'm grateful to him, Patch Lady and all the other MVPs who make it possible for non-techies like myself to keep and continue using our old Win 7 machines. Don't know what I'll do in 2020 when I'll need a new computer. Maybe a Chromebook as has been suggested here.
The Surfing PensionerAskWoody Plus
………….And it was MS themselves who recommended downloading and installing kb4093118 from the catalogue, since the WU version was failing to install in its entirety! Do you know who you're messing with here?
The Surfing PensionerAskWoody Plus
Thanks for your objective evaluation of the two OSs.
It seems that a third type of supersedence that I'll call install-supersedence is needed to explain what's going on here.
Who knows? It may be a subset of the CBS supersedence, or of the metadata supersedence, but you may have just discovered something new. 🙂
According to data from Windows Update MiniTool, KB4093118 is now bundling pciclearstalecache[…].exe.
Here is the data from Windows Update MiniTool:
[ 2018-04 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4093118) ] http://download.windowsupdate.com/c/msdownload/update/software/secu/2018/04/pciclearstalecache_275ee12e503f3d6b89d3f725fa950c8973f20d2d.exe http://download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/software/secu/2018/04/windows6.1-kb4093118-x64_665b6f6da6110aaa40524cf6905f509f0fd7fbc4.cab http://download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/software/secu/2018/04/windows6.1-kb4093118-x64-express_c1473ce4b149cf34239c364a9787030447e376ca.cab http://download.windowsupdate.com/d/msdownload/update/software/secu/2018/04/windows6.1-kb4093118-x64_d08c60eff8509d0e496b5953df853302dc492bc6.psf
Kobold Curry ChefAskWoody Lounger
My test machines get their updates from my corporate WSUS. While WSUS expired the original KB4093118 rollup and asked me to approve the new one, the test clients are NOT being offered the revised rollup. Not sure what this means (aside from the obvious failure of the rollup scheme to meet its goal of improved quality).
I replied earlier to this. The new patch is not offered as long as the previous one, or combination of patches were successful.
If you really want it, you could schedule an uninstallation of the expired patch and installation of the new one, but that would be too much work for little or no benefit.
What are the implications for those on Automatic Update, whose PCs previously installed KB 4100480 and KB 4099950 earlier and then installed KB 4093118 (while it was briefly a checked update). Should they need to uninstall the three updates and reinstall the new version of KB 4093118, or does the bundled re-patch just assure the equivalent?
I thought 409950 was for NIC Network Interface Card / IP Address problem, and the 4100480 was for the "Total Meltdown" that Micro$oft introduced in the Jan and Feb updates.
SpeccyAskWoody Lounger
Group A, Win7Pro-64_SP1, Intel Ivy Bridge (dual core) processor.
Last night I went on to update my "20180407_201712+2018upd" baseline. Here's the current status (as of today, Friday 13th, 2018 – lucky me…):
1. Stable branch [new "20180412_BASELINE" backup image]
Installed KB890830,KB4092946 – AOK (this will be my new "baseline" – the one I'll roll back into in case anything goes wrong). KB4092946 supersedes KB4096040 with newer files: just ignore the weird version numbering (IE 11 now reads "11.0.9600.18977 update 11.0.56" instead of "11.0.9600.18954 update 11.0.57" – i.e. the build number increased as expected but the update version decreased, goodness knows why).
2. Current branch -> BETA TESTING [new "20180412_UPDATED" backup image]
Once "20180412_BASELINE" was in place I went on to fully update the system and installed the four security-only monthly updates (rebooting four times, once right after installing each one of these): KB4056897 (2018-01), KB4074587 (2018-02), KB4088878 (2018-03) and KB4093108 (2018-04). In the end, the good news are (for as crazy as it may sound) so far so good: WU is not "offering" me nothing but the 2018-04 Monthly Rollup (which I'm not going to install, so I hid it) and AOK (apparently). I'll be using this branch for the next few days and keep my fingera crossed not to run into much trouble (if things go wild again, I'll just roll back to "20180412_BASELINE").
A few important tip notes:
TIP NOTE #1: To be fully updated I had to install all the four security-only updates, because they're not cumulative (they don't supersede the previous ones). After the bumps and itches earlier this year and the March madness I had decided to deliberate stick to an "outdated" system and wait until April. And so I did (because, well, a four-months gap is clearly too much. Enough is enough and, at some point, I will have to move forward. And Friday the 13th seemed to be just perfect ;)). I've also been keeping tabs on the differences between file versions. Using Microsoft's own .CSV listings (linked at the bottom of each KB article) I built a simple Excel spreadsheet with four tabs and the file information details and gradually eliminate the superseded files from the previous months (my simplified, customized version of the Master Patch List). If you decide to (wisely) follow this "Group B over the Group A path" know that you will end up with an interesting hybrid mix – but a "safe" one, IMHO: with any luck you'll be "protected" while (hopefully) not jeopardizing your system with buggy updates. And once a "good" Monthly Rollup comes up (will it?), you'll just have to apply it to catch up (wouldn't it be wonderful not to get into that ugly install-try-remove-try endless loop again?). To get a clear picture of what I'm talking about, the sample shortlist below enumerates a few files currently present on my "20180412_UPDATED" updated system (randomly chosen among some of the critical core pieces of the Windows Operating System):
http .sys [v6.1.7601.24000] Updated only by KB4056897 (2018-01) ole32 .dll [v6.1.7601.24000] Updated only by KB4056897 (2018-01) spoolsv .exe [v6.1.7601.24000] Updated only by KB4056897 (2018-01) tcpip .sys [v6.1.7601.24024] Updated only by KB4074587 (2018-02) authui .dll [v6.1.7601.24052] Updated only by KB4088878 (2018-03) mssmbios.sys [v6.1.7601.24056] Updated only by KB4088878 (2018-03) pci .sys [v6.1.7601.24056] Updated only by KB4088878 (2018-03) zipfldr .dll [v6.1.7601.24056] Updated only by KB4088878 (2018-03) winload .exe [v6.1.7601.24069] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) wsnmp32 .dll [v6.1.7601.24080] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) win32k .sys [v6.1.7601.24093] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) advapi32.dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) kerberos.dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) kernel32.dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) lsasrv .dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) lsass .exe [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) ntdll .dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) ntkrnlpa.exe [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) ntoskrnl.exe [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) schannel.dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) user .exe [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) wow32 .dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) wow64 .dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04)
TIP NOTE #2: While I report that my system is AOK (regarding usability, stability and performance) keep in mind that this legacy system is not hardware-"patched" yet against the Spectre/Meltdown joke. My last BIOS update was back in November, 2017 (before all of the Spectre/Meltdown fuss). Recently, the BIOS manufacturer released a BIOS update, specifically meant to address the CVE 2017-5715 (Branch Target Injection, Spectre Variant 2) vulnerability – but I did not install it yet (the manufacturer documentation suggests that rolling back from this particular BIOS update might be possible, but I'm not that optimistic regarding BIOS updates: for now I'll just wait and see), thus no new Intel microcode here, I guess. Those of you on the same boat but willing to take a chance (and follow that hardware upgrading "path") should probably download the Jan 27, 2018 KB4078130 patch and install it right after the 2018-01 (KB4056897) security-only monthly update (before installing the 2018-02 (KB4074587) one): that extra step might (eventually) save you from pain…
TIP NOTE #3: Generally speaking, as a rule of thumb there are four regular updates that are usually "safe" to install (and easy to quickly revert without any ill effects, if anything goes wrong – which, luckily, doesn't happen so often): a) MRT (KB890830, the Swiss-army Malicious Removal Tool that gets updated every month); b) Flash (only if you haven't got rid of it yet, which you should – seriously); c) Cumulative Security Updates for Internet Explorer and d) .NET Framework (if you use it – and if you do, on Windows 7 I strongly encourage you to stick to the 4.6.2 version for as long as you can and avoid the 4.7.x branch, because that newer version introduced a lot of "improved" things related to the big "to Windows 10 evolution" that, from my own painful experience, simply seem to break too many things – really not worth the hassle).
Okay, that's it (for now).
Good luck to everyone and, once again, kudos to the Pros (Woddy, Susan and all the other top-notch MVPs out there). 😉
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OldBiddyAskWoody Lounger
Now we know why April is the cruelest month! Good grief, it's a patchwork of patches ?.
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Just been caught out by this ENFORCED UPDATE of kb4093118
Win 7 set to NO UPDATES has just updated itself !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mild expletive was due to suprise that I just got caught out,
NOTE Internet explorer was also set to NO UPDATES but since that was the prime reason for this update it now means I have an out of sync version of IE11 showing kb4092946 !!!
What with MS's 2nd try at the April roll-up patch, KB4093118 out, I fired up a test Win7x64 Pro system that hasn't been updated since 3-10-18, when I installed the Feb. cumulative patch, 2018-02/KB4074598
I ran a manual check for Updates, and it gave me KB4100480/2018-03 Security Update for Windows 7×64, AND KB4093118/2018-04 Security Monthly Quality Roll-up for Win7x64. Both were checked.
I went ahead and installed them both while monitoring the C:\Windows\Logs folder for a new entry to see if the "C:\Windows\Logs\PCIClearStaleCache.txt" file was created, indicating that the PCI Slot registry keys were deleted. That file was created and reported the registry keys were deleted.
I rebooted, and the system came back up normally, can access the 'net and my local server, so no IP address or net card problems.
So I guess I can sort of confirm that KB4093118 does 'fix' the netcard problem by removing the PCI Slot registry entries. This system is using a dynamic IP address, so I can't speak to it fixing a static IP address glitch.
I have another 'test' system, I might set that one up and assign it a static IP address, see if it will find these two updates, and install them, see what happens. Nothing else to do on a rainy Friday evening in the Pacific Northwest, LOL.
I am interested in KB4093108, the April security only update.
So far, Specci is the only one to have mentioned it here, and I am not entirely clear of the implications.
Are there the same problems with this one as with the security and etc. rollout KB4093118, or is it a different story? And if different, then what is it?
Group B, Windows 7, SP1, x64, Intel I-7 "sandy bridge" CPU.
Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)
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"Are there the same problems with this one as with the security and etc. rollout KB4093118"
No. KB4093108 apparently cannot cause the two recent networking issues because it doesn't contain file pci.sys. KB4093108 apparently also doesn't fix the two recent networking issues on computers that already have those issues.
FrwinAskWoody Plus
@MrBrian : I'm group A, and didn't install any patch in March; I don't have any networking issue; I will wait for the Defcon change, but, I understand it's OK to install the April rollup ?
I don't know. I plan to install the April 2018 updates today. I usually install updates on the first Saturday after Patch Tuesday. Disclaimer #1: I don't follow the MS-DEFCON system. Disclaimer #2: I make a full backup (image) immediately before installation.
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Disclaimer #2: I make a full backup (image) immediately before installation.
EXCELLENT ADVICE irrespective of whether following the AskWoody MS-Defcon or not 😉Vague descriptions get vague replies
EspressoWillieAskWoody Plus
Disclaimer #1: I don't follow the MS-DEFCON system. Disclaimer #2: I make a full backup (image) immediately before installation.
Coming from the Susan side of things, I haven't fully embraced the MS-DEFCON system yet. I still wait for Susan's yay or nay on updates. But I have ALWAYS performed a full image backup just before applying updates. It's not if something will go horribly wrong, but when.Cheers!!
Willie McClure
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SpeccyAskWoody Lounger
I am beta testing KB4093108 (so far with no ill effects), but you should probably wait.
I did not ran into any network issues because, as MrBrian correctly points out, the tcpip.sys file was not updated by KB4093108 (it's still the one patched by the KB4074587 (2018-02) security-only monthly update):
http .sys [v6.1.7601.24000] Updated only by KB4056897 (2018-01) ole32 .dll [v6.1.7601.24000] Updated only by KB4056897 (2018-01) spoolsv .exe [v6.1.7601.24000] Updated only by KB4056897 (2018-01) tcpip .sys [v6.1.7601.24024] Updated only by KB4074587 (2018-02) authui .dll [v6.1.7601.24052] Updated only by KB4088878 (2018-03) mssmbios.sys [v6.1.7601.24056] Updated only by KB4088878 (2018-03) pci .sys [v6.1.7601.24056] Updated only by KB4088878 (2018-03) zipfldr .dll [v6.1.7601.24056] Updated only by KB4088878 (2018-03) winload .exe [v6.1.7601.24069] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) wsnmp32 .dll [v6.1.7601.24080] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) win32k .sys [v6.1.7601.24093] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) advapi32.dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) kerberos.dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) kernel32.dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) lsasrv .dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) lsass .exe [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) ntdll .dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) ntkrnlpa.exe [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) ntoskrnl.exe [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) schannel.dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) user .exe [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) wow32 .dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04) wow64 .dll [v6.1.7601.24094] Updated by KB4093108 (2018-04)
In a nutshell, if you followed Susan Bradley's advice and have just rolled back to December, 2017 (like I did) you should start by doing a full image backup (if you haven't done so yet) and then (downloading the standalone installers from Catalog):
1. KB890830 (MRT 5.59 [April 2018])
2. KB4093110 (only if Flash is being used -> will update it to 188.8.131.52)
3. KB4099950 (despite not having installed any March-related stuff yet at this point)
4. KB4092946 (cumulative security update for IE)
5. KB4054998,KB4054981 (only if .NET Framework is being used -> stick to v4.6.2, if possible, and avoid upgrading to v4.7.x)
6. Set the QualityCompat flag (never mind Microsoft saying it is not required anymore)
At this point, a full image backup is highly recommended: this will be your "safe" (stable, but inherently insecure – no Jan-Apr security-only updates yet) baseline.
Updating from this point onwards implies you're entering the Twilight Zone (the 2018 patch madness for Windows 7) but, as Woody pointed out, the Jan-Mar updates have stabilized and are now mildy "safe". Thus, you may wish to try this (non Woody/MVPs-validated, just my own experience – and I'm just another bloke here) "update as much as possible leading to the most stable and less buggy Windows 7 x64 system you may hope for right now" simple process:
7. KB4056897 (2018-01 security-only update). IMPORTANT: If you have an AMD processor, DO NOT reboot immediately once the installation finishes: install KB4073578 first! and then, reboot.
8. KB4078130 (only if you've upgraded your BIOS since January 1st, 2018 with the Spectre/Meltdown patching microcode – that will help with performance issues, by partially disabling the Meltdown mitigation which seems to be responsible for slowdowns, bugs and alike)
9. KB4074587 (2018-02 security-only update). Reboot.
10. KB4088878 (2018-03 security-only update). Reboot.
11. KB4099467 (if you happen to run into the "stop error 0xAB when logging off" issue – I haven't, but there's no way to guarantee you won't)
At this point a full image backup is, again, recommended: this will be the (currently) "as much updated and less buggy as possible" baseline for your Windows 7 system.
Now, as we speak (April 14th, 2018) we still don't know how "safe" KB4093108 actually is. If you're not beta testing (like I am), wait. There might be dragons – huge ones, in fact (some of the updated files – win32k.sys, ntoskkrnl.exe, lsass.exe and others – are a big part of Windows's core and, therefore, critical pieces of the system's stability).
Also, keep in mind I'm deliberately not saying anything about Office updates (a whole other story on its own) or Windows 2008 Server R2 updates (not maintaining any, right now – and WSUS is another beast to tame).
Good luck everyone. 😉
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"I did not ran into any network issues because, as MrBrian correctly points out, the tcpip.sys file was not updated by KB4093108 (it's still the one patched by the KB4074587 (2018-02) security-only monthly update):"
The two network issues were introduced in the March 2018 updates, not the Feb. 2018 updates. Also, KB4088878, which does have the two networking issues, does not contain tcpip.sys.
Yes, I'm wondering about the April Security Only update, for some other Win7x64 systems I mess with.
As in what other update(s) might have to be installed manually before KB4093108 can/should be installed.
I was kind of waiting for the dust to settle about the 2nd April cumulative roll-up, then ask about KB4093108.
Thanks for asking before I did, maybe between the 2 of us, we can get some conversations going about that KB.
Yikes, good find!
I just installed KB4099950 via Windows Update on a test computer. It did not create the log file \windows\logs\PCIClearStaleCache.txt, so I assume that PCIClearStaleCache.exe did not run. Then I uninstalled KB4099950, and downloaded KB4099950 from the Catalog and installed it. This time log file \windows\logs\PCIClearStaleCache.txt was present.
This issue is hopefully fixed by the April 17, 2018 KB4099950 update, which I believe is a metadata-only fix.
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I was just at the MS support page for KB 4099950, where it was stated that the original version should be uninstalled and then the April 17 version installed in its place. The Update Catalog shows 2 files when I click on my version of 4099950 (Win 7 x64): a stand alone package and an .exe file. Do I need to install both files?
Also, do I need to uninstall the March Security Only update first, or can I just deal with 4099950?
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@MrBrian– I'm group A runing Win7 Home Prem. sp1 x64. While waiting for the smoke to clear on the March rollup I've now realized that i never installed 4088875. The last time it appeared I believe it was unchecked and then disappeared and was replaced with the April rollup. My question is will I be OK having not installed the March rollup or do I need to do that before installing April's rollup?
I have KBs 4096040, 4099950,4100480 installed.
Win 10 Pro v.1903
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When Woody gave the Defcon 3 go ahead to install the March updates, in different thread I posted my concern about installing an optional unticked KB4099950. which I was offered in WU on April, 1. Then on April, 7 I was offered an updated version of KB4099950 dated April, 5. The newer version was also offered as optional and unticked, but this time it was written in italic.
@MrBrian, replied to my concern by explaining why KB4099950 was being offered to me as unchecked. He went on to indicate that, in his opinion, "KB4099950 would be a good occasion to violate the never install an unticked update rule." I took his advice and went ahead and installed it using WU. I then went ahead and installed the Group B Security only updates, which installed without incident.
Now based on what you're indicating in post #184647 , "BTW, they need to fix KB4099950 bundle the same way and include external pciclearstalecache.exe otherwise it's just null update in WU and should be removed", did I do the wrong thing by installing the unticked version of KB4099950 offered in WU? Either way, do I need to uninstall it and then reinstall it manually using a copy from the update catalog?
You should not have to uninstall KB4099950. The bundling is done to assure that those using WU install the patch and in the correct order (as opposed to having to install it separately or download it from the Catalog, which Joe User would never do).
If you have already installed KB4099950, you should be fine to install either the Rollup or the Security only update when the time comes.
See my question to @abbodi86 here and his answer below
Just to get my 2-cents in on a possible way to get 'Group B' systems caught up to April:
The systems I've been working on today are a couple I use for testing update procedures.
One is an older Compaq laptop (Win7x64 Home Premium, AMD CPU) that I don't use much, it spends most of it's time in a carry-bag that I take out on service calls. The last time it was updated was back in mid-March with the February Security Only update and the IE 11 cumulative update. I was skipping the 'March Madness' with most of my personal systems, but have caught up a few of them the last few days.
I just got done catching it up to date using the 'Group B' method. What follows are the steps I used to catch it up, they might help others who have been holding off on the Group B update process.
I took a chance and just installed the March Security Only update (KB4088878), which according to the information on the MS support site:
had a 'workaround' as to not mess up network settings, therefore not needing KB4099950 to be installed.
I installed KB4088878, rebooted and the system came up fine, networking was normal. The 'new' KB4088878 also updated the PCI.SYS file to version 6.1.7601.24056 dated 2-10-18.
I skipped KB4099467 (fix for log-off bug), this system logged off and on just fine (YMMV).
I then installed the April Security only update, KB4093108, rebooted and the system came up fine. Then I installed the April IE 11 cumulative update, KB4092946, rebooted and the system is running normally.
So, it appears by being patient, I was able to catch up at least one 'Group B' system from the February level to April by installing only three updates. One other 'Group B' system I did about a week ago needed 4 or 5 updates installed to catch it up to April.
Hope this helps anybody in 'Group B' to get caught up.
Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this exactly what was expected to happen? The information on the April group A patch was that it included the networking fix, but it actually didn't, so MS posted advice to install the security only patch instead for the time being and they'll work on a fix, which I gather they did. And that's what I understand from the posts here too, that the difference is the inclusion of that script (in .exe form).
Not sure why the info for the security only patch is also listed as updated on April 13 though.
— Cavalary
See my post at #184573.
Running Windows Update manually on a 'Group A' system, it coughed up KB4100480 and KB4093118. I just installed both of them and it all worked.
It also updated the PCI.SYS file to 2-10-18, and made an entry about deleting the PCI SlotPersistentInfo registry keys in the "Windows\Logs\PCIClearStaleCache.txt" file.
Can't argue with success these days, no matter how it happens.
I am in group B. I have Win7 Home Premium Service Pack 1 64 bit. I have the January and February patches installed. From I have only installed kb4100480.
Is it now safe to install kb4099950 and kb4088878?, and what about kb4099467?
Your system sounds like it is in basically the same update state as the system I updated the morning of April 14 (US PDT), and reported on a few posts up this topic in post number 184675.
I did not ever install KB4100480. KB4093108 supercedes it. I suppose you could uninstall KB4100480 before installing the updates listed below.
Since all Group B updates usually have to be installed manually after being downloaded from the MS Update Catalog website, I think if you download the KB's I listed in my previous post (and repeated below) and install them in the order I did, you should be caught up to the April Group B level.
I got caught up with only 3 updates, I skipped KB4099467, as I mentioned. KB4099950 was not needed.
So the 3 updates that were used and installed in the following order
1. KB4088878, March Security Only–rebooted
2. KB4093108, April Security Only–rebooted
3. KB4092946, IE 11 Cumulative Update–rebooted
KB4099467 was skipped, as the system I worked on logs off and on normally. I've read in other posts that it doesn't hurt to install it anyway, that's up to you.
I'd make a full backup (or at least a System Restore Point), then download and install the updates I listed.
Good Luck
columbia2011AskWoody Plus
I'm in panic with April cumulative rollup KB4093118 and KB4099950 (NIC fix)! Is April rollup includes PCIClearStaleCache.exe and I don't need to install two KBs separately? Because of sync in WSUS on 10th of April was with issue and Microsoft advises to install revised KB4093118!
If usig Windows Update, KB4099950 is bundled with KB4093118. In WSUS, I am not sure it is bundled. See Susan Bradley's two articles here and here. But I have installed both, KB4099950 first then KB4093118, with no ill affects.
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If using Windows Update, KB4099950 is bundled with KB4093118. In WSUS, I am not sure it is bundled. See Susan Bradley's two articles here and here. But I have installed both, KB4099950 first then KB4093118, with no ill affects.
WSUS provides exactly the same patch for KB4093118, bundled with KB4099950.
KB4099950 is not provided separately in WSUS, but can be imported from the Catalog, although there is little reason to do so, as discussed in previous posts. The reason is that KB4099950 as update installed with the regular WU mechanism (same with WSUS), is not reliable in certain contexts, but running the downloaded msu from the Catalog is always reliable. This can be automated in larger environments via scripting, SCCM or other mechanisms.
So the best and most reliable implementation is to run KB4099950 manually, check for the log under C:\Windows\Logs to appear and next install the other patches, 2018-03 and/or 2018-04 according to preference. 2018-04 KB4093118 is enough as it supersedes 2018-03.
There is no harm in running KB4099950 after one of those patches if at all possible, for example when the bundled one did not complete successfully, but it is still preferable to install in the right sequence, i.e. before the Monthly patch.
What if I install KB4093118 first? Wouldn't that be the safe choice since this update supercedes update KB4100480, right?
So far, I see no scary bugs being revealed in large, bold-letter headings by the trade and the mainstream media across the world, the like of Specter, Meltdown, or MS-induced Total Meltdown. The concerns people are expressing here are about par for the game after a "normal" (or "new-normal"?) Patch Tuesday, and I see no reports of grave consequences to those running Windows 7 and daring enough to have installed already the E11 and the security only patches. At this point, at least.
Also, at this point, no reports yet on what happened to those few, if any, who have already installed the Office patches.
So, as usual, and having already patched on every single month through March with no apparent ill-effects, I'll wait for a while longer, watching reports of what happens, here and elsewhere, to those patching early this month. If I do not hear repeatedly that something particularly bad has happened to them, then I might consider patching for April myself.
Group B, Windows 7 Pro, SP1, x64, Intel I-7 "sandy bridge".
Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)
Group A, Windows 7 Home Premium. I installed KB4093118 when first offered as a checked update. In March I declined to install KB4099950 as it was optional and I had already installed the initial version of KB4088875. No errors have occurred. I have not been offered the newer version of KB4093118. I would rather not uninstall any updates. My question is whether the May cumulative rollup will contain the .exe file that fixes the NIC error, and if so, would that .exe file be executed using WU without needing to uninstall the preliminary version of KB4093118? Or is it necessary to uninstall the preliminary version of KB4093118 and reinstall the newer version of KB4093118 that contains the .exe under the assumption that WU would offer me the new version after having uninstalled the original version?
What MS did different with KB4093118 was to "bundle" the other patch with it. That assures that both patches are installed together and in the right order. Since you have already installed both, you should not need to uninstall anything.
The Rollup patches are cumulative. That means May will include everything from April and before PLUS the May fixes. My guess is that the patch will still be bundled with the May update, or they will have incorporated the code into the May patch itself.
I was under the impression that the cache .exe file wasn't bundled with KB4093118 until April 12th whereas I installed the initial release of KB4093118 on April 10th. I also don't see the confirmation of the .exe installation in the Log folder. I am not sure if Log files update using WU rather than the catalog. Therefore, I thought that the cache .exe fix has not yet been run on my computer and that I should inquire if it would likely be executed in the May rollup for those who did not wait and install the second release of KB4093118 from April 12th.
KB4099950 was never Optional, but Recommended.
My initial WU offer was most likely optional because I had already installed KB4088875 in its initial release. As the instructions were only to install KB4099950 prior to KB4088875 I hid the update. You are correct in that the hidden version status of KB4099950 now says recommended. Perhaps WU released Kb4099950 as recommended subsequent to the second second version release of KB4088875.
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A brief note to report my W7 machine continues to operate without issues.
I'm Group A, "check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install" and my monthly routine is to install each patch (other than KB2952664 and drivers offered by Microsoft) promptly as they are made available through Windows Update.
In other words, I don't over-complicate the problem. I'm prepared to be an unpaid beta tester for Microsoft. I am in a simple operating environment and ensure that I have a recent Macrium Reflect system image available at all times.
KB4093118 April Security Quality Rollup W7 and KB890830 April Malicious Software Removal Tool were both installed last week without ill-effects.
Also current with Office 365, through April 11 monthly channel update.
Group A, Windows 7 Pro, SP1, x64, Intel I-7 "sandy bridge".
Now that April 'patching' has begun in earnest, I've been wondering if there's any way to now tell that the Total Meltdown gaping security hole has been closed? That MS's latest patching has really fixed things?
Has anybody seen or heard of some nifty program to check that the hole is really closed, similar to the programmer & programming that discovered that MS had fouled up?
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SkipH, A diagnostic for spectre/meltdown from Steve Gibson.
I installed kb4099950 and kb4088875 last weekend and have had nothing but smooth sailing (knock on wood). Am I ok to settle in to wait for defcon 3 or do I need to uninstall kb4099950 and then install the catalog version?
SkipH said he did not install it in #184751.
PKCano said "If you have already installed KB4099950, you should be fine to install either the Rollup or the Security only update when the time comes." #184669
But you really need to read MrBrian's #184690 and see if you have the log file \windows\logs\PCIClearStaleCache.txt on your drive. If you do not have that file I would go to the catalog.
If you have the file, I would say if it is "smooth sailing" let it go.
Anyone else, please speak up if needed.
I don't see a log file so I guess I'm off to the catalog. Now I'm left to wonder should kb4088875 be removed and reinstalled as well?
I've installed KB4093118 first. Rebooted. Then I scanned for new updates and after that there was no trace of KB4100480 anymore. So it's safe to say that installing KB4093118 is more than enough.
This update supercedes update 4100480, Windows kernel update for CVE-2018-1038.
It's pretty funny that Microsoft still keeps offering KB4100480 in WU while KB4093118 supersedes it.
Why didn't they just remove KB4100480 from WU the moment KB4093118 came out? That still blows my mind a little bit.
I just hope I don't miss anything from the KB4100480 update since I bit the bullet and installed KB4093118 first. But when I scanned for new updates after rebooting my pc, KB4100480 was gone from being offered in WU. So I guess it doesn't really matter in the end.
KB4100480 isn't metadata-superseded by any update according to the Catalog, and I agree with Microsoft's decision. Some may wish to not install KB4093118 yet, and therefore in my opinion KB4100480 ought to be – and is – listed in Windows Update if it's applicable and KB4093118 hasn't been installed yet.
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Anonymous, PKCano is correct and here is another microsoft page.
@MrBrian Is there any way to tell what makes any one system vulnerable to the network issues? The reason I ask is that its been a week with kb4099950 (WU version) and kb 4088875 installed and so far nothing has changed. Given the new info about kb4099950 not having the required file if installed through WU would I also need to uninstall kb4088875 so it can be installed second? I really don't like the idea of removing a rollup if I don't absolutely have to. (I haven't actually removed a patch from Windows since before they became rollups.) Since I'm not experiencing issues, would I be alright in just waiting for the April patches to pass muster?
There should be no need to uninstall KB4088875. I would do the following:
1. Uninstall KB4099950.
2. Download KB4099950 from the Catalog.
3. Run the downloaded .msu file.
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@mrbrian, I too installed KB4099950 and KB4088875 before April's patch Tuesday. After reading moonbear's initial post (184947 above), I checked my /windows/logs/ and there was no PCIClearStaleCache.txt file. Today I uninstalled KB4099950, downloaded KB4099950 from the Catalog, and ran the downloaded .msu file. All went well and my /windows/logs/ now contains a PCIClearStaleCache.txt file. However, based on the content of the file, it does not appear any PCI SlotPersistentInfo registry keys were deleted from the registry because of the version of pci.sys that was in place after uninstalling KB4099950.
The contents of my PCIClearStaleCache.txt file:
Path = C:\Windows\system32\drivers\pci.sys
pci.sys file version is 6.1.7601.24056
Pci.sys indicates KB2550978 or later KBs installed
I did a search of the registry for "SlotPersistentInfo" and nothing was found. I don't know if uninstalling KB4099950 and KB4088875 and then reinstalling them will make any difference if the registry has no PCI SlotPersistentInfo entries. What do you think?
You're probably fine as is if there are no SlotPersistentInfo items in the registry.
columbia2011AskWoody Plus
Colleagues! I have issues with constant loop reboots after installing the April rollup update KB4093118 on Windows 7 Pro 32bit. Symptoms and error are the same as in the article:https://windowsreport.com/kb4093118-issues/
I booted in safe mode and system automatically reverted back in mode before installing KB.
geekdomAskWoody Plus
This boot loop information may help:
2000009: Getting out of a no-boot situation after installing Windows updatesG{ot backup} TestBeta
offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3
online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox83.0b6 WindowsDefender
orlithAskWoody Plus
Colleagues! I have issues with constant loop reboots after installing the April rollup update KB4093118 on Windows 7 Pro 32bit. Symptoms and error are the same as in the article:https://windowsreport.com/kb4093118-issues/ I booted in safe mode and system automatically reverted back in mode before installing KB.
Hey, got the same boot loop issue on all my w7 32bits computers !
FYI I just tested the May update and the boot loop issue is still there 🙁
geekdomAskWoody Plus
Recover from boot loops:
2000009: Getting out of a no-boot situation after installing Windows updatesG{ot backup} TestBeta
offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3
online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox83.0b6 WindowsDefender
CraigS26AskWoody Plus
Now, all is well. W7-64 Grp A
I did NOT do March Updates, gave up the defensive mode and first Inst'd Apr's Kb 4099950 and the Apr Rollup Kb 4093118, Re-started and then inst'd Office 2010 stuff, 2 Net Frameworks (showed already inst'd), etc. (14) Total Inst'd. Macrium Image ready if needed.
With learning a new W10 laptop I don't have the mental strength to read IF that's OK.
I've found MULTIPLE Re-Starts are sometimes required FOR ME as everything was horribly sluggish until I did a 2nd Re-Start. Something's amiss as it showed "Win is updating, Don't Turn-Off the Computer" (that took forever) as though I had never Re-started.
You now need a staff to follow all of the threads and multi-links to the If, and's, and but's. Best Buy got me to 1709 as of Apr 6 updates and the first Forced W10 update I thought I evaded inst'd itself without issue. Good luck to all.
W10-64 1909 Pro / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5 Coffee Lake/ GP=2 + FtrU=0 + QU=0 + TRV = 2004
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Just replying here so that I can get "notify me of replies by email" for this topic. Seems like some of the other topics are not being current anymore? Or is the site not working properly? I need my Woody et.al. fix!!!!
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Not sure why it happens, but you can click on the subscribe button on the right top of any comment thread to re-subscribe (or to unsubscribe). You don't have to make a new reply. It happens to me, too.
See the bottom left of this screenshot:
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@Peacelady: I too am not getting replies which are up-to-date. Some are days and days old. Wonder what has made this such a mess. These older messages are so old that they are of no help at all with the current issues which we have all been trying to discuss..
Apparently there is nothing that we can do to correct this situation. ???
My main problem was I didn't know how to "subscribe (I ticked "notify me of follow up replies by email" but didn't realize to check the "subscribe" "button. I believe I'm now receiving all of the current emails. I'm at a loss to guide you beyond this — maybe someone else can chime in? There is so much info to absorb and if you aren't getting the latest stuff it's frustrating. 🙁
@Peacelady: For all of the time I've been a member of this group, I've NEVER had to subscribe to a topic to get replies answered, etc. I don't know what occurred, however I will start subscribing if it will provide assurance that I will be seeing all of the messages, irrespective if I've replied to them or not. Good luck to us all! 🙂
I think I might have misunderstood you. I was always referring to how to receive the posts that I was interested in on my personal email.. I think you may be referring to not being ale to see the posts on Woody's site?
@Peacelady: Actually I'm referring to "both" issues. I have had a very large amount of "older" email replies, as well as the "menu pages" just ending too far back and not being current. I may try using the "subscribe and see if if will make a difference. I had so many old emails the other day, I couldn't even get through them all. Hmmm. Will have to wait and see what happens, and hope for the best.
I also have a problem when there is a reference to a "message", and I cannot locate the message. It would help a lot if there were some way to link to the message. Good luck to us all. 🙁
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Hi walker, I noticed you write about not getting through all your emails, and have a suggestion. First an explanation.
In the upper-right-hand corner of each page viewed while signed in to your account, your display name is shown in heavy typeface, underlined and colored as a hyperlink. Left clicking on that link opens your account information page. Below your generic avatar and display name are more links for topics started, favorites, and subscriptions.
When you subscribe to a topic, two actions are triggered. Every reply after is emailed to your registered address. Also the topic in your subscription list will turn boldface to indicate new comments are available, with convenient links for the topic header, first new comment, or last comment.
I would like to suggest that instead of subscribing, you may prefer 'favoring' a topic. At the top of each topic page is both options Favorite | Subscribe . Select the option you prefer; also you can deselect either option you no longer wish to continue.
When you have favored a topic the same activity will display in your favorites list instead, but without sending yet another email to burden your mailbox. This method may be more convenient to jump to topics and comments of interest while allowing you to more easily skip over items of less interest. And when you are no longer interested, a red X is available to remove the item from its favored status, just like the text switch at the top of the topic page.
Hope this can reduce some of the stress load you express here.
@Cascadian: Thank you for all of that additional information – – – – some of it may be "over my head", however I think I am beginning to understand even more. PKCano is always good, and I see that you are as well . I may be able to experiment this coming week I hope. My thank you goes out to you and PKCano for your most kind assistance. 🙂
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This patch took out a small office. Every PC has Windows 7 64bit and it took out the NIC drivers, bluetooth drivers, and Intel Chipset drivers. What a mess… All computer were Dell Latitude E6430,E6440 and a 9020 optiplex. Microsoft sucks… The Windows 10 Dell E7480 laptop was not affected as it is 64bit system.
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And now this…
Microsoft has re-released KB 4099950 on 4/17. Same KB number, different title.
They don't say "why" they re-released it (now with a "2018-04…" title instead of a "2018-03…" title). The KB article only gives this information:
This update must be installed before you install KB4088875 or KB4088878.
If you have previously installed KB4099950 prior to April 17, 2018 please uninstall the older version of KB4099950 and reinstall to assure you have the most recent version.
We had some issues where KB4099950 (the older version) may have actually caused the issue it was designed to protect against. We never installed the March rollups, but had 6 servers that received KB4099950 and lost their static IPs.
Funny enough, even though the patch was re-released, the official support page with the statement I highlighted above still says (in true Microsoft fashion):
Microsoft is not aware of any issues that affect this update currently.
Well, if there were no issues, why did you re-release it and ask users to uninstall the old one?
Anyone using SCCM knows that removing updates (via software updates), is a sorely-needed function in SCCM. I recommend that anyone who has ever experienced the pain of having to remove updates through an application deployment to support a request on Microsoft's SCCM User Voice to add this feature. Here's the link:
Edit to remove HTML. Please use the "text" tab in the entry box when you copy/paste.
KB409318 now has April 23 release date in my WSUS, but I cannot find any information on the KB page of Microsoft.
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I failed to install in 20 qty HP PC during Mar 2018 Monthly rollup, KB4088875 which auto disclined by Microsoft, KB4093118 and newly May 2018 Monthly Rollup KB4103718. Couldn't get help… I uninstalled Jan-Feb 2018 monthly rollup but no luck.
HiFlyerAskWoody Plus
Not sure where I should post this. MVPs feel free to move it.
I downloaded on 7 May18 the April Win 7 sp1x64 SMQR KB4093118 pkg from MSU.
1. Attempted install on an older (2006) AMD cpu Gateway laptop Win Pro 7 SP1 x64 (3gb ram) which went well at first but the progress bar hung half-way. I waited 90 minutes then tried to cancel the install but could not, so I forced hibernate.
Update history showed a failed attempt. Next morning decided not to restore and just clicked install again. Less than 4 minutes later I was notified of a successful install and directed to restart. The restart uneventful and I have seen no problems since. A check of installed updates confirmed the installation.
2. SMQR KB4093118 x 64 installed with no problems on another older (2009) AMD cpu Gateway laptop Win7HP SP1x64 (4gb ram). That pkg was also downloaded from MSU on 9May18.
I checked the psi.sys version AFTER the installations and BOTH laptops now show 6.1.7601.24056.
The 2006 laptop psi.sys version before installation was. 6.1.7601.17514.
The 2007 laptop psi.sys version before installation was 6.1.7601.17303
The psi.sys version in the pkg from MSU on 7 May was 6.1.7601.24104
The psi.sys version in the pkg from MSU on 9 May was 6.1.7601.24141
I had not installed any of the March Gp A or B updates. Jan and Feb GpB updates were installed o.k.
I have no idea why the psi.sys versions installed are different from the ones downloaded.
Any problems with these results?
Where did you exactly got the pci.sys version from MSU pkg?
the version still the same 6.1.7601.24056 since March Rollup
do you mean the version of PCIClearStaleCache.exe?
this is just fix registry issue, it's not the pci.sys itself
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Where did you exactly got the pci.sys version from MSU pkg? the version still the same 6.1.7601.24056 since March Rollup do you mean the version of PCIClearStaleCache.exe? this is just fix registry issue, it's not the pci.sys itself
Yes, that's right. I thought the version number of the downloaded PCIClearStaleCache.exe was what I should see on the pcs.sys file after installation .
Thanks very much for the explanation. I really appreciate you taking the time to clear that up.
I'm still puzzled by the seeing the update completed on the 2006 laptop so rapidly after having forced hibernation.
"Less than 4 minutes later I was notified of a successful install and directed to restart."
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To help protect law enforcement K9s in from overexposure to heat, police departments are using technology to help keep them cool.
As summer temperatures boil, police departments are finding new technologies to keep their K9 units cool.
For dogs that work alongside police officers, staying cool in the summer months can be challenging since the animals sometime sit in parked police vehicles while their owner responds to a call or emergency. And when police dogs are outside on duty, the summer heat can make their work more difficult.
In rare cases, not taking the heat into account can be fatal. This month a canine affiliated with the Arizona Department of Public Safety was left in a police vehicle for too long, and had to be euthanized.
Technology provides one remedy. This summer the Fort Wayne, Ind., Police Department received "K9 cooling vests" for three of the 10 dogs in the department's K9 unit, said Sgt. Bob Theurer. The gear was donated by HTFx Inc., a Florida company that recently opened up shop in Fort Wayne.
The vests — which are coming soon for each of the department's seven other K9s in the unit — use exotherm technology to keep the dogs cool. "The technology actually extracts the heat from the body, rather than trying to use the material to cool the body," Theurer said. "So it absorbs the heat."
According to the vest's maker, the company's proprietary "phase change material" can transition between any temperature between 36 and 200 degrees Fahrenheit. According to HTFx, the heat-extracting technology also can be worn by people — for military personnel, medical procedures, sports fitness and other consumer purposes. Theurer said the cooling vests Fort Wayne's police officers can choose to purchase the technology for themselves with their uniform allowance.
To activate the vests, a police officer can submerge them in ice water. At first blush, it might seem the vests would need refrigeration when not in use. But Theurer said that isn't the case. The Fort Wayne Police Department still is experimenting with how to keep the vests activated while not in use.
Weighing about 2 pounds, Theurer said the dogs only wear the vests for 45 minutes to an hour at a time, even though the dogs' bulletproof vests, weighing in at about 15 pounds, are significantly heavier. The cooling vests aren't bulletproof, but the material the vests are made from does provide some blunt-force trauma protection.
Theurer's police dog, Johnny, wears a cooling vest when needed. At first, the dog appeared uncomfortable in the vest, he said. But Johnny got used to it and wears it comfortably now.
A dog can be overcome by heat exhaustion in a matter of minutes. But like humans, at what time of exposure and what temperature varies by breed and age. Younger dogs typically are not affected as quickly as older dogs.
The vests aren't the only type of technology that can help police dogs beat the heat.
At the Medford, Ore., Police Department, three K9 handlers on staff have sensor technology equipped that reads the temperature inside their squad car. When a K9 must be left unattended in the vehicle, a pager-like device on the officer's belt will receive a signal from the sensor when the temperature rises too much, said Sgt. D.J. Graham.
The sensors can be set to trigger at a temperature chosen by the officer. If the temperature reaches that pre-determined level, the officer can be signaled and go back to the police vehicle to let the dog out.
"It's really a protection; it's to protect our investment," Graham said. "We have an investment in K9, the dogs aren't cheap, the training isn't cheap, and we'd hate to lose one of these assets just because of a heat exposure we could have controlled."
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After all of the trash talking and "cucumber slurs" between Germany and Spain over where the deadly "mutant" E. coli outbreak originated, we may finally have the culprit: sprouts from a farm in Uelzen, Germany. Samples from the farm are being tested now. A German agriculture official told the BBC that "a connection has been found involving all the main outbreaks" and the farm in Uelzen. Uh, sorry Spanish cucumber farmers!
Farmers and politicians in Spain are now seeking some 400 million euros in damages from Germany after officials there wrongly blamed Spanish cucumbers for the outbreak.


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A small booth at the back of the show floor is attracting a lot of attention.
While I stood around, two people exchanged business cards with the man working the stand, promising to place orders for the product. It was nothing related to the iPhone or the latest mobile social-networking service -- topics that are consuming this year's CTIA Wireless I.T. and Entertainment conference in San Francisco.
Instead, the booth was stocked with a relatively simple device: the Solio, a small solar powered charger that can power up any mobile phone as well as MP3 players, GPS (Global Positioning System) devices and digital cameras.
A key feature of the Solio is the battery. The solar cells charge the battery, which in turn charges the device. That means you can leave it outside during the day, when you might be using your phone, and bring it in to power the phone overnight. One charge of the Solio can power two mobile phone batteries.
The Solio also can be plugged into an electrical outlet so people can use whatever power source is available and think of it as their universal charger, said Mike Levin, vice president of business development for Better Energy Systems, the company that makes the Solio.
Various models cost from US$79 to $199, depending on durability and the speed that the solar panels can charge the batteries.
Solios have been on the market already for a couple of years and a few hundred thousand have sold, Levin said.
The most expensive model is made of Magnesium Oxide and can withstand very hot temperatures. The company is targeting government users and other people who might travel to locations with extreme temperatures for that one.
According to research commissioned by Better Energy Systems, an average person who uses the solar capability of the Solio to charge their phone 60 percent of the time would pay off the US$100 unit in about 10 years, in terms of electricity savings.
While Solios might be a neat gadget for many people, Better Energy Systems has some interesting prospects in the developing world. The company's sustainability officer is exploring several potential applications, Levin said. One is using the capability of the Solio to power a one or three watt LED light. People in developing countries could use the Solio to replace their kerosene-powered lights, which aren't kind to the environment.
In addition, Better Energy Systems is working with the Grameen Foundation's Village Phone project. The project offers small loans to people who can then buy a mobile phone and rent it on a per-call basis to their neighbors. The project currently relies on batteries to power the phones but Better Energy Systems is hoping to offer users Solios instead.


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Dodgers Cancel Half-Price Alcohol in Aftermath of Fan's Beating
The Los Angeles Dodgers announced Wednesday that half-price alcoholic beverages are no longer part of a half-price food and drink promotion set to run for six midweek games throughout the 2011 season.
According to the LA Times, L.A. County Supervisor Michael Antonovich called on the Dodgers recently to cancel the half-price alcoholic beverage portion of the promotion in the aftermath of the beating of San Francisco Giants fan Bryan Stow, who remains in a medically induced coma in a Los Angeles hospital.
Stow, the 42-year-old father of two, was severely beaten outside Dodger Stadium after the season opener on March 31 while wearing San Francisco Giants attire. The LA Times says 16 LAPD officers and detectives are working to identify and arrest the assailants. They are looking for two men who may be Dodger fans.
The Dodgers and Giants are fierce rivals on the baseball diamond, but players from both teams met at the pitcher's mound on Monday night at AT&T Park in San Francisco to call on fans to leave the rivalry on the field. Giants pitcher Jeremy Affeldt and Dodgers infielder Jamey Carroll spoke to the crowd.
"I don't think I need to tell you guys about the Dodger-Giants rivalry," said Affeldt, a Christian who runs a blog called "To Stir a Movement" where he is an advocate for orphans, the poor, and youth. "It's one of the most storied rivalries in the history of the game. But in honoring that rivalry and in honoring the Stow family, we ask that you respect that rivalry, and you respect each other as fans."
Affeldt went on to say fans have the right to wear black and orange colors to support the Giants and Dodger blue to support Los Angeles, which drew a smattering of boos.
"But you have to remember that when these two teams get on the field and we play, we play with a ton of competition," Affeldt said. "We're fierce competitors, but when the last out is made, that rivalry ends on the field. So please respect that."
The San Francisco Chronicle reports that there were online threats of Bay Area retribution for the attack on Stow which caused San Francisco police to beef up their presence around the ballpark. LAPD also plan to beef up their presence tonight as the Dodgers return home to begin a new series against St. Louis and authorities say there will be a zero tolerance policy for rowdy behavior.
There have been positive signs among the fans of both teams during the series between the Giants and Dodgers this week. Rene Eisaman, one of Stow's cousins, was seen hugging Dodger fans in a parking lot near AT&T Park on Monday. And fans of both teams were seen chatting. The series concluded Wednesday night without further incident, other than arrests for public intoxication.
Both teams have held fundraisers to help Stow's family and to cover his medical expenses. The Dodgers fundraiser raised more than $61,000 and they plan to hold another one tonight. The Giants fundraiser, combined with a silent auction, raised $70,000.
The Stow family has set up a Twitter account (@Support4Stow) and a website (www.support4bryanstow.com) to raise additional support and to keep the public updated about Stow's condition. Erin, Stow's sister, posted the most recent news about Stow's condition on the website Wednesday.
"So amazing all the love and support!!" she said. "There have been no more seizures for a couple days so the drs [sic] have been slowly lowering the sedation and hopefully it will be all out of his system tonight. Once it's out of his system, he can be examined and hopefully (praying) he responds to commands. Or better yet, wakes up!! Please keep the prayers coming!!"


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Comic book publishers have included digital download codes with single issue releases before — indeed, Marvel Comics announced yesterday that their Ultimate Comics line would come packaged with these codes.
But starting February 2012, Marvel will be the first comic publisher ever to offer this digital redemption package for graphic novels, and they're starting with their new-readers-friendly Season One books. io9 spoke exclusively with the publisher about this initiative to give readers both digital and bookshelf options.
Here's the long and the short of it — readers who purchase a Season One book will then be able to download a digital copy of the same graphic novel using the Marvel Comics app for iOS and Android or Marvel's Chrome site. Here's the Season One roster:
• Fantastic Four: Season One by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa (Stephen King's The Stand Television's Glee) and David Marquez (Secret Warriors), on-sale in February 2012
• X-Men: Season One by Dennis Hopeless (Legion Of Monsters, Lovestruck) and Jamie McKelvie (Generation Hope, Phonogram), on-sale in March 2012
• Daredevil: Season One by Antony Johnston (Daredevil) and Wellinton Alves (Nova), on-sale in April 2012
• Spider-Man: Season One by Cullen Bunn (Fear Itself: The Deep, Sixth Gun) and Neil Edwards (Fantastic Four), on-sale in May 2012
These books — which tell in-continuity stories about the early days of Marvel's foremost superheroes — represent the first wave of Season One graphic novels. The publisher's planning a second slate of Season One releases later in 2012.
On hand to discuss this new digital program were Arune Singh (Marvel's Director of Communications, Publishing & Digital Media) and Peter Phillips (Senior Vice President & General Manager, Marvel Digital Media Group). Singh noted that the most obvious benefit of this download option is greater flexibility for comic readers:
It's a very mainstream-friendly move we're making. So people may want to have the hardcover on their bookshelves, but they also may want the digital copy to read on the plane when they can't carry five or six graphic novels.
Phillips further mentioned that this digital/print program won't be a one-way street — Marvel is currently developing a program for future releases that will drive readers to their neighborhood comic shop:
One of the initiatives we're working on is that if you do a digital download, you can get a coupon to bring into comic shops that's worth the redemption of a print product in stores. Basically, it's our belief that print plus digital equals publishing. So we're using print to promote digital, digital to promote print. We're pushing it all because we believe they make up the totality of user experience.
Finally, I asked Phillips about both A.) future expansion of this joint digital/print program; and B.) if Marvel's considering using it for narrative experimentation, namely the possibility of using digital codes for separate, augmented reality story lines in graphic novels. Phillips said that gauging reader reaction will be paramount:
We're going out fairly aggressively because we believe in it and we're doing it for the consumers looking the ability to have the hardcover and the on-the-go [...] The short of it is, there's nothing that we haven't considered. We'd be considering it based on the feedback we get, so there's no definitive plan.
These are definitely some exciting developments for fans of the comic medium. The first Season One graphic novel — Fantastic Four: Season One — hits store February 2012.


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This is one of my favorite John Wayne Movies. Quirt Evans gets introduced to Quakers, who take him in after he gets shot over a land deal. He likes the Quakers, especially the farmers daughter played by Gail Russell.
Angel and the Badman is a 1947 black and white Western film, starring John Wayne and Gail Russell, which examines the ability of a shootist to renounce violence. This film, which was the first one Wayne produced as well as starred in, was a radical departure for this genre at the time it was released. The film was directed by Wayne's frequent screenwriter James Edward Grant.


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Strangely enough, I've reviewed Caffè Baci twice, indirectly. One time I reviewed the Jo Jo Sandwich for A Sandwich a Day, and the other time, I went to Caffe RōM for lunch and a coffee break. Caffè Baci supplies Caffe RōM (I will never get tired of this ō) with its premade sandwiches, but Caffè Baci has a ton of other options other than slightly pricey sandwiches. And now, this is probably the most times in human history that a person has used the word "Caffè" in one paragraph. Caffè. I now officially grant you permission to punch me in the mouth.
Caffè Baci serves food in the same familiar format as, say, Corner Bakery. You've got your rotating soups, sandwiches, salads, pasta, and the like, but Baci puts an Italian twist on everything. With all those options, are any of them worth spending your hard earned money on?
Right out the gate, I recommend the Tre Insalate ($8.29), but with some reservations. As you know from reading Lunch in the Loop regularly (just kidding, everybody hates my face and nobody reads my stuff), I'm an indecisive person and so I love sampler plates. On the top, you're looking at a classic caprese salad with fresh mozzarella, tomato, and basil, along with chicken salad on the right and cheese tortellini salad on the left. The caprese salad is simple and dressed only in olive oil, which, sadly, makes for a bland experience—you really need acid to bolster the flavor of the fresh cheese.
The chicken salad features large cubes of white meat doused in thick mayo, but is light on the seasoning, and the tortellini salad is as simple as it looks—it's just chilled pasta with an herb pesto sauce. All in all, these are inoffensive items if you're into unadorned and lightly seasoned food.
My second bundle of items fared much better. The marinated olives are salty and distinct. Rather than include this as part of your main meal, I might suggest you just get a single order of the olives and bring them back to the office for an afternoon snack. The antipasto salad is decent, but not fantastic—after the cheese has been marinated, it takes on a grainy texture, and the salami gets rubbery. The black olives and the crunchy celery slices are the saving graces.
However, quinoa salad is the best out of the bunch. It's unexpectedly sweet, flecked with fresh mint, little bits of apple, and golden raisins. The fresh mint is really what makes this quinoa different, as it's grassy, vibrant, and cooling. Overall, I think the Tre Insalate can potentially be a good lunch, but the art is in what you pick. Aside from these six options, there are at least ten more salads that I didn't try.
Of the handful of pizza options, I picked the prosciutto-heavy Milano ($7.79). It's hard to recommend this thing, or any other of the pizzas, for that matter. And why, you ask? Simply put, the crust is a total disappointment. It comes fully prebaked in a little circle, ready for assembly, and it's unappealingly chewy, dry, pale, and flavorless. A ton of arugula and a huge pile of prosciutto are stacked on, along with a few shreds of shaved parmesan and a tiny sprinkle of lemon olive oil (which is nearly undetectable). The amount of arugula, which ordinarily is a good pairing with prosciutto, is simply overwhelming and very bitter. And the amount of prosciutto is just too much. Prosciutto by itself is wonderful, but as an ingredient, it requires restraint. With no sauce involved, and with that crust, you're basically looking at a chewy bland dry disc covered with bitter greens and overly salty toppings.
The Juneau sandwich ($7.29), unfortunately, doesn't fare any better. In theory, it's already a strange sandwich of tuna mixed with red bell peppers, topped with lettuce, tomatoes, and a ton of pickled banana peppers, all on a ciabatta roll. The tuna is intensely fishy, more so than I'm used to, and the banana peppers make the sandwich veer off into a completely different direction. I generally enjoy tuna salad, but I can't recommend this sandwich.
In theory, most of the food at Caffè Baci is straightforward, but in execution, things just don't seem to pan out. The flavors are toned down in a politically correct way as to not offend anybody, but that makes for food that lacks in spirit. There are multiple outposts, and they are all attractive, sleek, and sophisticated-looking with a polished lunch chain feel, but I'd be hard pressed to show up again. So am I off? Did I miss something, or have an unusual experience? What do you guys think?
Caffè Baci
212 West Van Buren Street, Chicago, IL 60607 (map)
(312) 629-2210 (231 S. Lasalle location)
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