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A Clockwork Orange
Genre: Drama
An interesting history accompanies Stanley Kubrick's grim view of the future. The BBFC was initially shown a screenplay based on Anthony Burgess's novel in 1967 and advised the distributors that a film showing 'an unrelieved diet of vicious violence and hooliganism' would be unlikely to be...
A Guide To Recognizing Your Saints
Genre: Comedy, Drama
It is summer in New York in 1986, and adolescent Dito Montiel is dealing with growing up, gangs, his family and friends - and his future. In that future, in 2006, the adult Dito looks back on what happened that summer to determine the course of his life, and the lives of his friends.The film was...
A Monster Calls
Genre: Drama
A Monster Calls is a British adaptation of the book of the same name by Patrick Ness, and explores the themes of bereavement and isolation. It follows Conor, a young lad whose beloved and devoted mother is seriously ill. As her condition worsens others take over his care, but he has little in...
A Quiet Place
Genre: Drama, Horror, Mystery
A Quiet Place is a US drama/horror film from actor-director John Krasinski who also stars with his real-life wife, Emily Blunt, as a married couple with children living in extraordinary circumstances. Earth has been invaded by deadly alien creatures which are blind but possess hyper-sensitive...
A Serbian Film - Srpski Film
Genre: Drama, Horror
The 2010 Serbian language drama, subtitled in English, tells the story of a retired Serbian porn star, Milos, who is tempted to make one final film by an offer of money from a mysterious director. The film's would-be director, Vukmir Vukmir, tells him that the film is intended as an 'artistic...
Genre: Drama
Noel Clarke's 2008 sequel to Menhaj Huda's Kidulthood (classified 15) takes up the story of Sam on his release from prison after serving a six year sentence. Sam is faced with trying to put right some of the damage he has done by his killing of Trife, and with dealing with the people seeking...
Genre: Documentary
Amy is British director Asif Kapadia's documentary about the life of singer Amy Winehouse, who was found dead at her London home in July 2011.
An Education
Genre: Drama
An Education is a critically acclaimed British drama based on the memoirs of popular, and occasionally controversial, newspaper journalist, Lynne Barber. It tracks a young woman in the 1960s as she goes through a life-changing year – seduced and enthralled by what appears to be a sophisticated...
Genre: Drama, Horror
Lars Von Trier's Antichrist is an English language drama about a couple whose young child dies. It was described by its director as a horror film and contained several strong images which required consideration when it arrived at the BBFC in 2009.
Apocalypse Now
Genre: Drama
Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now was one of the most eagerly anticipated films of the 1970s. The wunderkind director had shot to prominence with his direction of The Godfather (1972) and was at the vanguard of the new 'Movie Brats' auteurs, along with Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese and...
Attack The Block
Genre: Comedy, Horror, Science Fiction
Attack The Block is a British horror movie directed by comedian Joe Cornish. It is set in a South London housing estate and follows a group of teen muggers, who form an unlikely alliance with a nurse they have robbed, when aliens attack their tower block.


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After a year or more lapse, the Solano County Green Party is back, and seeking new members, organizers said.
Napa Valley College student Jena Goodman, a Vallejo resident, said the campus has an active Green Party chapter and members decided to branch off and reinvigorate the Solano County chapter.
"Our goal is to get Green Party officials on a local level into local officials, such as the City Council, and we are also very much in favor of local businesses," said Goodman, who added the Solano Green Party has been inactive for at least a year or so.
A handful of Napa College students who live in Vallejo held their first general meeting on March 6 in downtown Vallejo. Those included Ruscal Cayangyang and Antonio Padilla, plus Goodman.
The Green Party is a non-corporate political party with a platform of grassroots democracy, social justice, ecology and non-violence.
Goodman said the immediate goal is to find people to serve on a council and then build membership and work on local issues.
The group planned to hold another meeting Wednesday, with another in May.
The next meeting takes place 7 p.m. May 1, at 617 Marin St. with later meetings on the first Wednesdays of each month.
"As a political science student and a citizen of Solano County, I felt it was important to join the Green Party and I"m excited that it is being reactivated," Padilla said in a written announcement.
Many of these NVC student leaders joined the Green Party because of activities organized by Campus Greens, an NVC student club.
Campus Greens has been active in the last few years. Members brought Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein to the college to speak during the 2012 election and the club was also involved with the Proposition 37 GMO labeling campaign.
The club also held a film screening about Vallejo resident Guy Jarreau, 34, who was shot and killed by Vallejo police officers in December 2010 in downtown Vallejo.
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"The Boneyard Project" at Pima Air and Space Museum in Tucson: In January, Eric Firestone and Carlo McCormick (with the help of a few heavy-machine-driving professionals) dragged three Super DC-3 planes, a C45, a Lockheed VC140, a C97 cockpit, and dozens of nose cones of the boneyard, a collection of dusty, non-functioning planes near Pima Air and Space Museum, and gave them a new life. The two are big-name curators in New York (though Firestone once operated a gallery in Arizona) and after seeing the pieces, they brought SMoCA's Lesley Oliver on board, enlisted a dream lineup of contemporary artists, and gave them the opportunity to paint on a very different kind of canvas. It was a massive and inspiring show that required a big budget, a tight timeline, a huge opening party, and an understanding that the large-scale pieces ultimately would be ephemeral works of art. After "The Boneyard Project" had its run at the museum, the nose cones traveled to Firestone's gallery, but the planes stayed in Tucson, perhaps left back in the boneyard to be rediscovered.
Jetsonorama's "Postcard" on Seventh Street: Jetsonorama is a longtime documentary photographer who creates black-and-white photographs in three-foot strips before pasting them onto roadside stands, water tanks, and billboards in Shonto, Arizona. In late 2011, the artist collaborated with Thomas "Breeze" Marcus on a billboard installation on 16th Street, and in January 2012, he printed an image that Brazilian photographer Raul Zito had captured in São Paulo and pasted it on Seventh Street (with details painted by Marcus) with just a ladder, a few buckets of wheat paste, and a small crowd of spectators. Jetsonorama called it a postcard, a tribute to Zito, who had pasted one of Jetsonorama's pieces in Brazil. And despite the ephemeral nature of the piece, you can still spot its remnants on the red brick building on Seventh Street, north of Roosevelt, with a few of Jetsonorama's signature sheep.
"Drawing with Thread" by Saskia Jorda at Scottsdale Civic Center Library: Artist Saskia Jorda spent much of the summer of 2012 at the Scottsdale Civic Center Library. Jorda was Scottsdale Public Art's artist in residence, and over the course of a month, she transformed the library's gallery into an intertwining maze of stretched white pantyhose and abstract yarn-wrapped bulbs that hung from the ceiling. Jorda described her installation as a "dialogue between body and space." And more than large-scale eye candy, Jorda's installation served as a frame in which Scottsdale Public Art held a number of workshops in conjunction with its "100+ Journals" project. In May, Jorda broke out her supply of thread and collection of maps and welcomed the public to explore line drawing, mapping, pattern, and texture with string on paper. The workshop was a rare opportunity to peek behind Jorda's process and obsession with cartography (though she'll admit she has a terrible sense of direction) in a very cool space.
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Anthony Velasquez's "An Odd Kind of Sympathy" at Lisa Sette Gallery: In the spring, Scottsdale gallery owner and art community fixture Lisa Sette spotted work by Anthony Velasquez in a framing shop. Within months, she was hosting a series of his work and added him to her successful stable of artists. Velasquez might be new to the local fine arts scene, but he's been embedded in the urban arts scene since he was a kid growing up in Avondale. His mom owned an antiques shop, and because he was constantly surrounded by well-worn trinkets and décor, he grew an appreciation for age and craftsmanship, and that's clear in his work. At Lisa Sette Gallery, the artist hung a collection of still-life paintings that had warmth and a distinct ethereal quality. In each, five items — one for each of the five senses — were carefully balanced on top of one another and painted on dark walnut panels with an obsessive attention to detail. He called them "totems to human experience." I can't wait to see what he comes up with next.
Kyle Durrie's "Moveable Type Truck" at ASU: When the Phoenix AIGA design chapter announced it was bringing Portland-based artist and letterpress fiend Kyle Durrie to Phoenix, there was an audible squeal that came from somewhere deep inside the New Times building. Durrie's known for the traveling letterpress studio she built inside a 1982 Chevy van using funds raised on Kickstarter. Durrie parked outside the ASU art building in Tempe for an afternoon, told stories of her letterpress trip across the country, dubbed "Moveable Type," and gave her drooling fans a chance to create (and buy) a couple of posters. Movable eye candy, indeed.
"Cattle Track Couture" at Cattle Track: Dennita Sewell and Janie Ellis work very well together. Sewell is Phoenix Art Museum's curator of fashion design; Ellis runs Cattle Track, an artist compound in Scotts-dale. And though their daily lives look almost nothing alike, they were both raised by parents who were pioneers and craftspeople who built their own houses, farmed their own land, and, most important, made their own clothes. In March, the two opened the doors to Cattle Track for a special exhibition of handmade clothes by Janie's mother, Rachel, who crafted dresses, blouses, pants, and skirts for Janie and a number of theatrical productions around town. The show was beautifully presented: Clothes were fitted to forms Janie handmade and stuffed (which she'll tell you was no simple task), and a collection of fabrics Ellis used was on view for large groups of fashion-invested community members and art appreciators alike.
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James Turrell's Skyspace in Tempe: As soon as the construction fencing around a mysterious glowing structure on ASU's Tempe campus came down, I drove down (in a lightning storm, no less) to see what all the rumbling was about. The glowing structure was the latest skypsace designed and built by Arizona artist James Turrell, along with Phoenix-based architect Will Bruder, who designed Burton Barr Library, Scottsdale Museum of Contemporary Art, and The Nevada Museum of Art (to name a few). Turrell's work relies on light and environment, and his series of Skyspace installations (including Knight Rise at Scotts-dale Museum of Contemporary Art) capture and frame the natural light and create a constantly changing visual experience for their viewers. His Skyspace in Tempe is a slight departure, in that Turrell relies both on the light of the sky and on man-made light and color reflected on the large-scale frame that's suspended by a metal structure surrounding the installation. The colors change periodically, and the best time to sit and watch the show is a half-hour before sunrise and/or sunset, when the color of the sky and the color of Turrell's frame change most dramatically — or in a lightning storm, when the colors, lights, and surroundings get really interesting.
Chaos Theory 13 at Legend City Studio: Randy Slack's Chaos Theory art show is always a spectacle. Once a year, the local artist clears the walls of Legend City Studios, which he owns with three photographers (Jason Grubb, John Balinkie, and Brandon Sullivan), and hangs dozens of pieces by local artists — usually in one 24-hour span. This year was especially notable, as Slack had to explain a few curatorial decisions to the community days before the big opening. But, as usual, the night went off with a bang and without a hitch. Hundreds crowded into the gallery to see work by more than 60 artists (about the closest we get to a Thursday night in Chelsea). They looked, they laughed, and they brought their kids, who climbed over each other (and around the artwork) to create one of Chaos Theory's most "community-centric" events since its inception.
Matteo Rubbi at Combine Studios: Italian artist Matteo Rubbi was an artist in residence with ASU Art Museum throughout 2012. You might have bumped into him making masks for young First Friday attendees, at "Magic Friday" dinners at the museum and in downtown Phoenix, or challenging the local view of how art can transform a space and the interaction between audience and gallery setting. His research, interactions, and creations during his time in Phoenix were center stage during November at downtown Phoenix's Combine Studios, where he discussed cultural aspects of mining in Arizona, urban transportation, and food as a bridge between people of different backgrounds. His show included work on copper, chalkboard drawing, mixed-media pieces, and a large-scale board game that Rubbi interpreted from a Jules Verne novel. His work is smart and refreshing, and his whimsical personality was something to be seen. Rubbi returned to Italy late this year, and now we just have to figure out how to get him to come back.
Carrie Marill's Tribute Mural in November: In March, hundreds of volunteers, Roosevelt Row staff members, and a group of local artists gathered on Roosevelt Street to build picnic tables, clean the sidewalks, and paint murals on a few of the neighborhood's buildings. Carrie Marill, whose art has traveled across the country (I spotted it in SoHo in April and at SMoCA in October) designed a large cyclist for the florist on Roosevelt and Third Street. It was a tribute to Margaret Kilgallen, a huge name and well-loved street artist who died in 2001. The man on an old-school cruiser with a striped top and a hefty baguette in his bike basket was immediately recognizable as Kilgallen-esque, and it drew a variety of responses from the community. Many loved it, but in November, the mural was defaced — painted over with huge red blocks of paint. Marill assumed whoever painted over it thought it was merely a rip-off, not a tribute. She thought about painting a different design, but I'm glad that instead, on the following day, Marill and a few volunteers bit back, grabbed a few more buckets of paint, and repainted the design in front of an audience on First Friday.


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The time between now and the turning of the year is the season of visits. In a good year, every weekend is carefully divided between shopping expeditions and social obligations. Either someone has asked you over, or you have asked them. There are many opportunities to catch up with seldom seen family and old friends, but there are also new people to meet. This post is a musical version of this activity.
One Alternative: Consider the Source
Sometimes, you get invited to a friend's house, and there is someone you haven't seen in years, someone you lost track of and thought you would never see again. I met the three musicians in the original line up of One Alternative in 1987, at a small folk coffeehouse in New Brunswick NJ. I don't even know if I introduced myself, but I doubt they would remember me in any case. Jill Haley plays oboe and English horn, and Mark Oppenlander and David Bozenhard play acoustic guitars. The music they made had elements of folk, classical, and jazz. A year later, they were recording with additional musicians on electric bass and drums. The sound was heavier, sometimes too heavy, I thought. Still, I always wondered what became of them. I use a couple of services that connect musicians and bloggers, and I was pleasantly surprised recently when I was contacted through one of these services about the new One Alternative album, Air Sculpture. A drummer and bass player are now part of the regular line up, but the sound is better integrated. There is more of a jazz influence than there used to be, with improvisations in the midsections of songs that can be pretty wild. To give you an idea of where they are coming from, the two covers on this album are of songs by Weather Report and Frank Zappa. But Consider the Source is the song I have chosen, because it takes me back to the sound I first heard from them and liked so much. The song is entirely acoustic, and the rhythm section drops out of this one. The original trio casts a beautiful spell here. The interplay between these three musicians is a wonderful thing to hear. By the way, Air Sculpture is a generous package, with a full length CD of music, and a second disc with videos of a couple of live performances and a history of the group.
Postcard Comets: Drown
I have never been invited to an internet party, but there should be such things, and this would be the right time of year for it. At an internet party, you meet people you have only known up to now online. In person, the friendship could deepen as you learn more about each other. I met David Partridge of Postcard Comets on a forum on MySpace. Earlier this year, I featured a song from their latest album, Super Normaal. They have settled into an acoustic-based sound that works very well for them. Bodies of Water is their first album, and here they hit a 70s rock vibe that I wouldn't have expected to work, but it does. Drown has a great groove that gives the song its power. The song I chose from Super Normaal has a similar groove, but it works in a completely different way.
Sam Llanas: Fare the Well
At one of these holiday gatherings, you may meet someone who you have only known as part of a couple, but who shows you another side of himself now that he is single. The Bodeans were originally a four piece roots-rock band, but they withered to a duo. Kurt Neumann and Sam Llanas were writing all of the songs together. Both Neumann and Lllanas play guitar, but Neumann also adds a host of other instruments. For their albums, they would add whatever studio musicians they needed. Earlier this year, Sam Llanas left the "band", and now he has released his first solo album. For 4AM, Llanas is working in a full band again. Bukka Allen, who played keyboards on the last Bodeans album, is here playing accordion, and this gives the album a special feel. Llanas is making soulful rock here that borders on classic R&B. Fare the Well is a fine example. Lllanas' vocals on this album are the most emotionally invested performances I have ever heard from him.
Kathy Sparling: Love Song
Somewhere during the season, you will meet someone entirely new. As You Believed is Kathy Sparling's debut album. On Love Song, Sparling shows herself to be a writer to keep an eye on. She is explaining to a lover why she doesn't want to marry him. It becomes clear that she loves him, and wants them to grow old together. No, her issue is with the rituals and hassles of a wedding. Sparling alternates between tender expressions of love and humorous descriptions of the potential wedding from hell. it's a wonderful juggling act, and Sparling pulls it off perfectly. Her performance here and throughout the album shines with sweetness and warmth. Sparling's main instrument is the ukulele, and she surrounds herself with a collection of musicians that swells to a folk orchestra at times. But even when the band includes eight other ukuleles strumming along with her, as it does on the song The Moon is Coming With Us, the music is rendered with a light touch that serves the songs beautifully.
Pharis & Jason Romero: Lay Down in Sorrow
Of course, the one kind of visitor you only see at this time of year is a caroler. People you have never met show up at your door, and sing songs which are instantly familiar. Pharis & Jason Romero are not singing carols here, but their covers are old songs that evoke older, simpler times. They also perform original songs, but these have that same classic feel. Lay Down in Sorrow is a secular song that has the quality of a hymn. It is one of the originals here. The performances here are quiet but passionate. Pharis Romero plays acoustic guitar and sings, while Jason plays mostly banjo and also sings. One of the remarkable things about this album is the sound of Jason's banjos. A banjo usually has an almost abrasive or percussive quality, ringing out, and certainly not blending with only an acoustic guitar. But Jason gets a sweet, almost mellow tone from his instrument that I have never heard before. I believe he makes his own banjos, so that may explain it in part, but surely some credit goes to his playing. The result is a group sound that can be powerful when needed, but is always unified, and always heartfelt.


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Hoping for a clinch…
Well, that was weird. Can't say I've ever seen what we saw late yesterday in that situation, but that's why sports in general and baseball in particular are so unique.
Of course, that loss will mean a heck of a lot more if we somehow don't manage to win anothe game this year and the Rockies win out, but I'm still feeling pretty good about our chances to win the division. It would be nice to do it today before we head home.
Meanwhile, I know I've been slower at posting lineups this year than in the past, but keep in mind that we're posting them almost immediately on our Twitter account. Quite often, I'm not near a laptop and can't blog at the moment, but I send it out via email to our front office and it gets tweeted from there. Of course, today is an exception because of how early the game is on the West Coast, but generally speaking you can find it there.
Here's the lineup in case you don't have it yet:
Pierre, LF (Manny with some hamstring tightness)
Hudson, 2B
Ethier, RF
Kemp, CF
Loney, 1B
Loretta, 3B (Blake back in LA to make sure his hammy is ok and Belliard with the groin issue from yesterday)
Ausmus (ties Benito Santiago today for eighth all-time in games played by a catcher)
Castro, SS (routine day off for Furcal)
Kuroda, P
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Let me answer you again on this thread, TBW,
I'll celebrate after the game if they win.
Interesting line-up trying to clinch…but it's not exactly like they have any immediacy. Check out the Red Sox line-up yesterday as they were swept by Yanks. Same kind of non-vital line-up.
D.Y. and LaRoche are sure getting their revenge.
I think our Champagne will be chilling another day! We look like crap!!!!
Ok, fine Manny has hammy trouble, but this is a ****** lineup just the same. "Routine" day off for Furcal? Idiots.
We the work is cut out, if we're going to celebrate today.
Hi ITD,
Looks like Pirates say "no celebration here!"
Can't really celebrate anyhow , with the way we played on this road trip through the cellar dwellars. What concerns me is the injuries (groin, hamstring), The Dodgers look like they are limping into the play-offs. I would rather have the ROX win the WC, and the way we have been playing, they shall win it the WC. I just pray we don't wind up like last year's cubs in the play offs.
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Pitchers IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
H Kuroda 2.0 6 5 0 1 2 0 47-29 3.59
Totals 2.0 6 5 0 1 2 0 47-29
Yeah I like that 5 runs none earned. Pirates are so lucky in this game.
All these stupid days rest throughout the year didn't prevent guys like Manny, Blake and Hudson from getting hurt or playing better, so what gives? I suppose the first stringers are suddenly going to put it together come play off time and feel comfortable with each other hardly playing together 2 days in a freaking row??? I doubt it.
Do they sell champagne in San Diego?
Maybe the Dodgers want to win this thing at home.
Maybe the Dodgers only want to play 1 home game in the playoffs before taking a nice long winter break where Ned can find the next Mark Loretta.
Kuroda had pitches 9 innings in 2 games without given up an earned run.
You have to play at least two games in the first round, Scott.
OBF- That must be "THE PLAN", add to the Drama, let the home town fans celebrate at the Chavez Shrine, so that means we have to endure a whipping by the Padres too?
But we can't control the ROX losing, I hope this mingling with the last place teams rubs off come October.
Sorry I mean 3 games.
//Do they sell champagne in San Diego?//
Why? Are you going to be in San Diego? There is the Omni Bar that should have champagne. I will be in San Diego for the two games and of course at the three final games but I hope is wrapped up by then.
For clarity, when I state, "rubs off", I do mean no lingering effects, it goes away.
I hope you got a good refrigerator, TBW.
Here the real earned run.
I don't know who she is but she died of Lupus. This roastrip been hell so far.
Right Joe, 2 games on the road then 1 at home. I'm saying home field advantage is about to be lost with this crappy play against 2 of the worst franchises in baseball. Not time for a "routine" day off, are you kidding me???
On the bright side, Joe, Philly isn't that far from NY, right?
LaRoche, always played better not wearing a Dodger uniform.
Kuroda being left in shows there is no big interested in winning this game.
I don't think we have come back from 7 down this year. perhaps coming back to California will help, but I am quite concerned about Blake, now Belliard and Manny with "soreness". And Furcaal's recent error rash, reminds me of what happened in the NCLS with Philly and Ferky's errors. I know it will get better, but right now.. Yikes.
No Scott, a short trip on Amtrak.
No Scott, a short trip on Amtrak.
Home for lunch and checked the score.
Is this someone's idea of a joke? Is this for real?
I am guessing it is not going well 😦 It's not like we play our best ball in San Diego either.
Harger is hurt now
I'd rather we have won last night and getting blow out today.
What an absolutely gutless performance!
Don't worry guys and girls, I don't expect the Rockies to win out the rest of the season, this is just a matter of time.
Yes we don't expect the ROX to win the rest of the season, but I am certain the rox don't feel that way. The Dodgers are looking like something I have not seen all year. Like I said I am more concerned with "injuries" rather than the outcome of this game or future games. Winning the West would be nice, and not backing in to it. Having Home field advantage would be nice, but not required to win. Having the A-team able to play and playing their A-game is what is mandatory. Things will be better in a week. I'm optimistic.
I was just pointing out that winning the N.L. West is a sure thing and today is just another one of those games.
Thinking that we just need one win for it and the thought of celebrating if we win has made the mood seem bad.
Interesting how Torre gets the team ready and peaking for the playoffs. HOF A-hole!
"No champagne until they win a playoff series" –Koufax 1963, WOW.
I says celebrate when you get the chance.
You never know.
LOL!!!! messagebear!!!!
It shows you can't take any team for granted XXXXX
There is no such thing as a "cake walk" no "easy schedule".
I hope that lesson was learned.
No more champagne till they win a play-off series. Put it back in storage in LA, use it to ice sore hamstrings, groins, wrists or knock some sense over people's rear ends.
At least Mota won't be wonder for the play-off roster! HA!
Well 9-0 that's enough for me. I guess my champagne will be nice and cold by the time I'll get to drink it. Now I'm getting real concerned about home field advantage. If they lose it I'm going to have to change my plane reservations.
It's as if the whole team, including management, has caught the swine flu, because they are playing like pigs. This part of the schedule was supposed to be a cake walk for the Blue, and yet they're wallowing in it. First it was the defense. Next, the players all came up with nagging injuries. Finally, Joe adds an awful lineup.
They barely escaped Washington with a series win. Now they are likely to lose three of four from a team that can't pull together even one winning season over the past seventeen years. I can see why brownpaperbag changed his name, because I, too, am disgusted.
We can't even use the excuse that Nelly was watching this on her TV! Ha!
lol Castro in LF hmmmmmmmmmm
Loney should pitch the bottom of the eighth.
Sorry no schedule is a cake walk when Manny came back we haven't played good like we did the 1st half.
What an insult the Pirates manager should bring in their sub but I forgot they only have 4 if I'm not mistaken.
The defense let us down big time.
truebluewill – sorry you took the day off for this game. Just absolutely awful game. I am glad I am not home watching it. I would have turned it off long ago, or at least stepped away for a while.
I always say, "Not against us", but congratulations to Andy LaRoche.
He shouldn't've been stopped on his way to third going for the cycle.
As I type this they scored 2 more run
Truthfully I never "expect to win", it always hurts when you do this, and lose.
Like I said time to change this name lol.
Joe had already mentioned he didn't care about homefield advantage, and he is the magician so he must know something we don't.
Well, Joe is an IDIOT.
We still can win HFA, this is just one loss, we're still ahead.
A truly lousy way to start my week. I know, Josh will get mad but, I don't care, Messagebear is right, JOE IS AN IDIOT!!!!
Joe is tripping and didn't the Yankees have homefield advantage when they blow a 3-0 lead against the Red Sox?
If he is a magician, maybe he should be Merlin the Manager!
The good about this game: We know which pitchers won't be going on the play-off roster: Mota and Mcdonald. But then I don't get to choose. This will be a long flight to San Diego.
At least we won't be shutout/.
The headline on the homepage is "Dodgers Need Big Rally to Catch the Pirates." I think it's gone beyond big at this point, don't ya think? LOL!!!!
That should just gave Duek the CG.
I can't believe J. Russell took Duke out.
Complete games are too hard to come by.
Was Hu on second?
There's always tomorrow, you can't win them all.
I think it is time for the songwriters to come out 🙂
Some person said to protect the future yeah right.
I can't believe Castro played LF and would had love to see Loney pitch.
Shad – add this one to dodgereric's stats from this morning. We definitely didn't get 10 hits, and the other team 10-run ruled us.
I don't want a pickle…….
I just want to ride on my motor-cicle
I bet the Pirates record is way better than us when we don't get 10 hits.
And I don't want a tickle
And Junie, my poem was a continuation of kahli's……
By dodgereric on September 28, 2009 9:46 AM
I must have missed his, which is a rarity I know 🙂
It figure you mention his name and pop up.
LOL!!!! Thanks for lightening the mood………..I think…….. because I am not sure how this is going to end.
WOW that was one bad BAD loss. Well I hope that the only reason they lost was to bring the celebration of winning the NL West to one of the Dodgers 2nd Home (were atleast half the fans are Dodger's fan)….PetCo Stadium. Man I wish I can be there! GO DODGERS!
I'd rather ride on my motor-cicle
Somehow, I have tix for mañana in SD. Never been to PetCo in my life……Padres will NOT want the Dodgers celebrating on their home field. This thing just got a whole lot more difficult.
Congratulations to Andy and Delwyn! They got some sweet revenge for the shabby way the Dodgers treated them. And they will probably continue to do so in the years to come and show that Dodger management made a big mistake in the way they were handled.
Colorado's game tomorrow starts about 1 1/2 hours before the Dodgers game, so the Blue may be backing into the Western Division title. Not that Prince Fielder really wants to do us any favors…
And I don't want to die
I just want to ride on my motor-cy
I also don't understand why LaRoche was stopped. What did they have to lose? Congratulations to Andy and DY.
Let's get them tomorrow in San Diego! My friend and I will be in the field level 3rd base side near dugout on Tues and Wed.
Is this your version of sinking into the deepend? I am thinking enchanted must be as far down as he can go right now, don't ya think? LMAO!!!!! He's beyond justplaindisgusted now.
When I start singing Arlo Guthrie songs, you can bet I've sent my brain to the Bahamas to protect it from injury.
The Dodgers had champagne iced in their clubhouse, ready to celebrate on Sunday, but the Pirates scored four runs in the bottom of the ninth. Now, it must be toted back to San Diego for the start of a two-game series against the Padres on Tuesday.
Duke (11-15) was in control from the start, allowing only three singles until Orlando Hudson tripled with one out in the ninth—a low total for a pitcher who has allowed an NL-high 225 hits.
Duke couldn't believe it when manager John Russell lifted him following Chin-Lung Hu's(notes) sacrifice fly, with a 10-run lead and only one batter to get for his fourth complete game, and the fans booed loudly as Duke walked to the dugout.
LaRoche getting more hits than the whole Dodgers team. That's just sicking me and Duke was #1 in hits allowed.
I'm sorry Andy really didn't have no future here but Young I still wish we had him.
I have my own tropical song floating in my head…………. one part sand, one part sea, one part shade of a banana tree…………….
The title of this blog is "Hoping for a Clinch." That's about how Joe and the Dodgers played it today. Sit the regulars, "hope" for the best. So I figure tomorrow's blog should be titled "Getting Their Collective Heads Out of Their Collective A**es and Hammering the Padres for the Division Championship."
The Pirates will hand the ball to Zach Duke(notes) (10-15, 4.06), looking for his first win in more than a month. The left-hander is 0-4 with an 8.54 ERA in five starts since beating Cincinnati on Aug. 22. He gave up five runs in six innings to suffer a 10-4 loss to the Reds on Tuesday.
Duke is 1-3 with a 6.64 ERA in seven starts against Los Angeles. Dodgers catcher Russell Martin(notes) is 7 for 15 with one home run and three doubles against him.
I'm still sick and I'm sorry I think Martin should've played and Casey Blake need to suck it up.
Let's the Pirates win a series against the Cubs not us.
kahli – I second your recommendation.
Already assured of a playoff spot, the Dodgers lost three of four to the Pirates, who had dropped 23 of 26 going into the series—the franchise's worst stretch in 119 seasons. The Dodgers went 3-4 on a road trip against the majors' two worst teams, the Nationals and Pirates.
I'm still sick and about to thrown up.
What happen to the easy road trip?
Having a tough time digesting this. Borders on the ridiculous.
If anyone had to do it, I guess I'm glad for La Roche and DY. I do hope they go on to have productive careers. Still sucks they had to start today.
I've been wondering if the news on this poop road trip is really true, that perhaps someone hi-jacked this website, but the same crappy news has been in the Times. Hardly building
confidence for the fan base. The damn thing about baseball is, this could turn 180 degrees tomorrow. Nothing to be done but keep the FAITH.
The Pirates haven't won back-to-back games against the Dodgers since Sept. 19-20, 2006, going 6-15 in the series since then.
Let's also not forget how close it was to a 1 – 6 road trip against the majors' two worst teams.
We won Saturday because of a 4-run rally that went walk-single-walk-walk-walk-single.
We barely won the last game in Washington by the skin of our teeth, remember?
After starting off in fine style with 4 in the first, we let them come right back with 3 in the second.
We loaded the bases with no one out in the third and managed to score 1 on a sac fly.
Scored an unearned run in the 6th on an error, a walk, a wild pitch and a ground out.
Failed to score Kemp from third after a leadoff triple.
Only Ethier's arm kept the tying run from scoring in the 8th.
All that to beat a 52 -100 team by a run.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not panicking. I just really don't like the way we're approaching the playoffs. We're not hitting. We're not pitching. We're not fielding. We're not running the bases worth a damn. What's left? This theory of Torre's that we can turn it on when we have to is fraught with disaster. A few days ago our biggest concern was whether or not we can trust Billz with a start. Now that's about the least of my concerns. And that's not going to change one bit if the Rocks lose tonight or we play one good game in San Diego.
This team doesn't need Andy Taylor to pat their heads and say, "Now Opie, don't you worry none." It needs Al Pacino to scream, "IF I WAS HALF THE MAN I USED TO BE, I'D TAKE A FLAME-THROWER TO THIS PLACE!!!"
dodgereric – sing your Guthrie songs. It will make you feel better 🙂
Or as Cheswick says in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, "I WANT SOMETHING DONE!!!!!"
Right on, Eric! Team reminds me of a bunch of wussies that need to be taken to the woodshed and horsewhipped. Good ol dad, the ever-calm Torre ought to be tarred and feathered.
Go Astros hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
lol 1-6 seriously is not like those 2 teams deserve it of course it could be 6-1 in our favor easliy
Yeah another bad outing from Lee.
I miss my friend Booger!
If the team manages to lose the Home Field advantage, they all ought to be renamed BOOGERS.
LMAO, Messagebear! I'm sure he would think so too!!!!
Oops that was Harmels even better.
Wow, just got in and checked the score. Disappointing to say the least. I was hoping to catch you all sipping the champagne and celebrating the NL West title. Oh well, just have to wait till tomorrow. Still leading the Phils and Cards by 2 1/2 for best record with 5 to play. We need 3 of these next 5 and I think we will take best record and home field advantage thru the playoffs. Just wasn't our day!!!! I believe we will get it done.
Holy Cow, did Andy LaRoche have a monster day or what!!!! Good for him!!!
Even though plenty was at stake, an announced crowd of 25,046 that looked closer to 15,000 turned out at Turner Field on a night with a hint of fall in the air.
NOTES: Jones' homer was his 426th, tying Billy Williams for 40th on the career list. Next up is Mike Piazza(notes) at 427. … Sanchez's previous career high for walks was six. … Nate McLouth(notes) drew a bases-loaded walk from Kiko Calero(notes) in the eighth to bring home Atlanta's final run.
Wow I'm surprise at the attendance in Atlanta consider the Braves are only 2 games back. If it was the Marlins and I think last year it was around 23,000+
Jhall ~ Andy did, indeed, have a monster day. Come to think of it, though, we made the entire Pirates team look like All-Stars during the four game series.
Jhall ~ I think we will win tomorrow and having a lot of Dodger fans at Petco will inspire the Boys in Blue. Then we can all breath a sigh of relief…..and, pop our Champagne corks, of course!!!!
Hi'Ya Trumom!!! LOL!!! We certainly did. Now all we can do is spank our beloved Puds and hope everything comes out OK!! LMAO!!!
Okay, we all agree that as bad as that loss yesterday was, today's loss was 100 times worse. I started watching the game, but I had to leave the room after I saw that Kuroda definitely didn't have it today. Still listened to the game, but of course, there wasn't much to see – to put it mildly.
I know many ITDers and PO'd that Andy LaRoche isn't a Dodger anymore and that DY isn't a Dodger anymore. I'm right there with you that the Dodgers never game these two much of a chance. But c'mon guys, where is your allegiances? Are you so PO'd at the Dodgers that you are rooting that Andy and DY beat the snot out of the Dodgers? Reading these posts make me think that you are rooting for the wrong side. And given how much I know that many here don't like the Dodgers ownership, their GM or their Field Manager, I'm beginning to wonder if some ITDers are secretly using Andy and DY to "stick it" to the Dodgers. I don't want to believe it, but the way many of you are posting right now, that is exactly what I'm thinking.
My advice: GET OVER IT! Newsflash: Andy and DY are not Dodgers. Who's next? Are you going to do the same thing for, what's his name, the catcher that was traded for Casey Blake? Oh yeah, Santana – the one that was traded to Cleveland from the Dodgers' Single A team. I remember seeing at one time or another here on ITD that we ALL are Dodger fans. Act like it that this was nothing more than another loss. Yes, this was a loss that couldn't have come at a worse time, but a loss nonetheless. OBF, wasn't it you that said that the sun will rise tomorrow? Well, the sun WILL rise tomorrow. Count on it.
LOL Tru!!! Its happening to me also. Just Plain Disgusting!!! I think we have outgrown the MLB server's capacity!!! They need to upgrade. Of course, they could take all the extra crap off the home page, like the archives for the past 3 years. I don't know about you, but I haven't gone back more than a day or so in my entire time posting here. Just a thought.
Hi'Ya CP!!! I don't think anyone is rooting for LaRoche or DY to do well against us. Just giving them a well deserved pat on the back after the fact. I certainly would not be rah-rahing either of them before the game or anytime in the future when we are playing against them.
Hey Late Night ITDers!!!!! Are we any better than we were this afternoon? I didn't even see it, and it just seemed so off kilter for our team.
This is the post of the day!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The first real answer that makes an ioda of sense…..
LOL Tru!!! Its happening to me also. Just Plain Disgusting!!! I think we have outgrown the MLB server's capacity!!! They need to upgrade. Of course, they could take all the extra crap off the home page, like the archives for the past 3 years. I don't know about you, but I haven't gone back more than a day or so in my entire time posting here. Just a thought.
This is one of those games where I don't even go near ESPN or the newspapers. I went to see Michael play baseball, and there wasn't too much said about it either. When you are sitting amongst Giants and A's fans, they can't say much considering their teams will be watching the playoffs from home.
MOM, BEAV, how the heck are you!!! Great to see you!! Thanks Beav!!! Not really rocket science!! LOL!!!
Hey jhall!!! I hate to break it to you but that is not Beav/justplaindisgusted. It is justplaindiguised……….different:)
I hear ya Jhall. My take on all this is when will "well deserved pat on the back" end? Next year when we start the season schedule in Pittsburgh, will ITD sill be giving Andy and DY a "well deserved pat on the back?" That's why I said, "Who's next?" Santana? Any ex-Dodger? Okay, perhaps not Milton Bradley, but you see my point. For me, I'm a Dodger fan. I always have been and always will be. Way back when Paul LoDuca was traded, I was shocked, upset and any other adjective you'd like to use. And yes, I was upset not just the day or the moment that I heard of the trade, I was upset for a couple of days or so. But again, I'm a Dodger fan, and I got over it. Okay, DY was a Dodger at the beginning of 2009, but Andy was traded over a year ago. That's why I say, "Get over it." And I imagine that many, if not all ITDers always have been and always will be Dodger fans. I just couldn't tell that from some of today's posts. That's my frustration.
red pen – I meant to say "not too much said about it there" not "either"
Holy cow Nelly!! My apologies JPG and welcome. Evidently, very cleverly disguised. Enjoy your posts!!! Then where the heck is the "Beav"!!!!!
jhall – I think Beav is going deeper and deeper into the deepend of his Abyss – LOL!!!!!
CP – I didn't even see the game. I just saw what was posted on here and figured DY and Andy had a great day. That's the extent I know.
Okay, I said enough. Don't worry, I'm off my soapbox. I've gotta go. G'nite to all in ITDland…
Good Night CP!!!!!! Have a wonderful day tomorrow!!!
LOL CP!! I'm totally with you. I think alot of Dodger faithful were just trying to accept the loss gracefully, stay positive, and move on as you stated. Not much good to say about our effort today!!! We're still in the drivers seat, no use to cast a pall of negitivity yet. We lose the next two, and you will see negativity!! LOL!!!
Goodnight CP!! Good to see you, as always!! Frustrating loss today for sure.
I think Dodgereric did it right……………….put a happy song in your head to keep your brain from hurting – LOL!!!!!
:))) Nelly!!! Koom-bah-yah!!!! Everybody, all together now!!!
It's more like "It's 5 o'clock Somewhere" or "Margaritaville" – LOL!!!!!!
Good evening all…………….I didn't see or hear the game today as I was out and about, maybe that was a good thing?
I do think they will bounce back……Some good things came out of this trip, and some not so good things….We were able to battle back, just weren't able to put the game away… different day's bring different challenges. Over the course of this season, we have overcome many, so I see no reason why we can't get it together now. I do want home field advantage, this team will respond a lot better with the excitement of our crowd I think. Don't get me wrong I believe they can and will win anywhere…..We have guy's that can overcome the element's…..I just think when we turn Dodger Stadium into the Magic Castle once again…..It will lead to much success.
It's going to make me sick looking at the Angels clinching the divison tonight over us and we blew it last night.
Hi'Ya CZ!!! Good to see you again. Lot's of frustration tonight. We will prevail.
I bet if Casey Blake was playing we would had clinch a weeks ago lol
Good Evening Dodger4life!!!!!!!
LOL D4!!! All the name changes have me baffled. Time warping again am I. Well, we'll get'em tomorrow gang. On that note I will bid you all a pleasant goodnight. Excelsior True Believers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jhall…..It was I (justplaindisguised ) and I didn't mean to get ya worked up…. Sorry…….Where is Booger/Beav….
Good Evening Nelly…I am glad they didn't harrass you too bad tonight "-)
I actually was sitting next to a Dodger fan who didn't know about today's game. So, I got to inform him of our wonderful performance today. Let's see, I was sitting next to some Steelers fans who certainly aren't happy and some Giants fans who don't even watch the games anymore. They have moved onto the Raiders and the 49ers, who both had their BAD moments yesterday as well. So,not much could be said to me seeing how we are still in the playoffs.
Good Night jhall!!!! Thanks for checking in with us nightowls, seeing how you are quite the nightowl yourself – 1 am in Columbus to be exact. Take Care, God Bless, and it's always…………..always a pleasure chatting with you 🙂
Jhall said best, we were just trying to accept the loss gracefully and staying positive. Last year when the Dodgers got swept by the Nationals, my bro VIc, my friend Erik & friend LTD23 went to Arizona because we had faith the team was going to turn it around there and they did. They went on a winning streak after being swept by the Nats. Now LTD23 and I have reservation for staying in SD one night and catching both games there, driving back after the game Wed night, and then going to work Thursday. We both had to put extra hours at work in order to be able to get the days off and I will be carrying my laptop to do a little work in the daytime. I bleed Dodger Blue! Don't mistake that I did a little pad on the back for DY and Andy. I know Brooklyn did the same and you know he has been bleeding Dodger Blue too for the last xxx years.
Let's go Dodgers!
Wrap it up at Petco Park.
I have notice alot of you are really blown away by todays' lost; and still can't forget about Sunday's blown game. I do see where the dodgers have not been playing to there level. The problem here is that the mentality of the team changes when you play a easy team. It gets into the players head. Everyone tends to play more as an indivisual, instead of a team; and the players will try to do to much and even under estimate plays. I am talking from experience. I play baseball in a organize adult league. Example: This past weekend we faced a pitcher that pitched 60-65 mph. We are the first place team in the league, we are the team beat. We are on our way to make the playoffs. So we face this team that had this slow pitcher, everyone tried to do to much, instead of staying withing ourselves and playing our game. Everyone on the team was trying to go yard on this pitcher. We ended up loosing the game. We only had 5 hits through out the game. Not to mention we had 4 errors. I had one of those errors. I play i normally make i through it away, because i was careless.
My point is today's game, the dodgers where not into the game mentally or phyically and they weren't to concern about winning because of the following reasons:
#1 reason: the pirates suck they where not into the game
#2 dodgers have a big enough lead over philly and St. Luis for the home field.
#3 Dodgers would rather win the NLW tittle in San Diego, where they have a large fan base…
I will actually sacrifice my work and my body to see the dodgers win tommorow in San Diego. I will make the trip.
Everyone will see tommorow that the Dodgers will take care of business.
Go Dodgers!!!
Very good points Carcyn!!! Have fun at the game tomorrow, and the best of luck in your own playoffs.
You just made me think of Collie. We have not seen him in a very long time. Last I knew he was in OC with his wifey. I hope all is well with him. I know these connections issues have him really bugged, but it's still kind of strange we have heard from him throughout this series and last.
red pen – "we haven't heard from him……."
Good luck to you in the playoffs! Where are sitting? If you can email me. I will be between 3rd and visitor dugout.
Good night! Yes, we will prevail tomorrow! I know I will see lots of fans at the game tomorrow that I see at Dodger Stadium. I am just trying to see if the Metrolink in Commerce is safe to leave my car there.
I agree it has been disappointing to see our team play this way but I would rather this was happening now than in the playoffs or the world series. What ever it is, hopefully, it has run its course. Something tells me it is all going to be OK and they'll work through it and be better for it.
true2dodgerblue – Love your name!!!! ……………..I kind of expected a game like today (where nobody really played), but I expected it after a win yesterday. I just think they all wanted to go home, and let's hope the semi-hometown crowd helps them get it done tomorrow.
Ah, zeal. (noun)
Definition: energetic and unflagging enthusiasm, especially for a cause or idea
Synonyms: passion, fanaticism, fervor, ardor, eagerness
Antonym: apathy
Zeal. We all have it. And we all have it for the Dodgers. OUR TEAM. As individuals, in most ways I'm sure, we differ tremendously. Size, shape, age, race, sex, employment (or lack of), religion (or lack of), political affiliation – whatever. However, we all Bleed Dodger Blue or we wouldn't be on this site.
And although we are all Dodger zealots, we still tend to differ as to how we express that passion because of our individualism. A comparable scenario might be patriotism. One person might subscribe to "America, love it or leave it" and another "America, change it or lose it". Although they are 180 degrees apart, neither one is wrong. They are both patriotic. Then again, this could easily start another argument. So, back to sports.
When I was growing up, I was a huge LA Rams fan. From 1968 until they left in '95, I lived and died (mostly died) with them almost as much as the Dodgers. When that "person" (and I normally use "xxxx-xxxxxx old xxxxx" to describe her) took my team to St Louis, I divorced myself from them in every way possible. I have several friends who feel the same way. I have a friend who remained their fan as long as they still had an LA Ram on their roster. I have friends who are Ram fans to this day. Who is the greater fan? The one who remains? The one who feels the betrayal? Truly, who is to say?
When the disastrous Fox regime traded Mike Piazza, I didn't cease to be his fan. I always wanted him to do well, even against us. Mind you, I didn't WISH him to do well against us. But I didn't begrudge him success. Similarly, I have always been a fan of Bill Buckner. I have always cursed the fates for Bobby Valentine. Conversely, I couldn't wait to defeat Don Sutton. I would love to beat Derek Lowe. I would probably root for Matt Kemp or Andre Ethier should they leave (perish the thought). Perhaps it would have something to do with the manner of their departure. If they left for just a few extra bucks ala Eric Gagne or Adrian Beltre, I don't think I'd feel the same way as if they were escaping from a skinflint owner.
So what's the point of all this? I think we can root for ex-Dodgers such as DY or LaRoche to do well whether it's against us or another team and remain loyal Dodger fans. I think we can root against them and not be cold-hearted. Sometimes we get attached to the man inside the uniform and it transcends loyalty to the team.
Zeal and individualism. Long may it remain in us.
My two cents.
………….well, like I tell lbirken, your thoughts are worth alot more than 2 cents around here. Through all of this ITD stuff (reading mostly), I have simply become a fan of baseball, so I tend to watch players who have never worn a Dodger uniform as well as some who have. So, as long as they are not playing the Dodgers, I wish them all the success in the world, and if they are playing the Dodgers, then as long as we win, they can still have all the success they can make for themselves.
I don't know who she is but she died of Lupus. This roastrip been hell so far.
By you_know_nothing on September 28, 2009 11:11 AM
Shad – Julian Lennon was the "son" of John Lennon from the Beatles.
Sorry I can't take #2. I wanted at least 3 to 5 more wins and after starting with the best record we should've been like 11 games in front of the #2 best team and we should've had clinch before the Angels and Cardinals.
I knew that last name ring a bell but didn't take the time to check it out.
Yeah Eric like we cheer for Jeff Kent?
Was Bonds the only Giants that we booed when Kent was still a Giants?
Bring back Piazza to be the hitting coach and I didn't even realize that until now.
Lidge isn't the only weak closing act.
Tiim Brown forgot to say Broxton who was light out this month had a tough time Sunday night.
I really don't think Dodgereric meant all former Dodgers. That wasn't his intent of his post IMO. As for Kent, most Giants fans didn't like him when he was with them. I am speaking from experience on that subject.
Free agency was really the vehicle for fomenting hatred of ex players. I mean, how could you hate a Dodger if management traded him? Like LaRoche and DY. I don't even have a dislike for Milton Bradley. My list of former Dodgers who I don't care for are, in no particular order:
Tommy John
Andy Messersmith
Eric Gagne
Brad Penny
Adrian Beltre
JD Drew
Hmmm, I think JD Drew tops that list because he's such a diva, anyway. And I still remember that image of Tommy John throwing a hissy fit in the dugout when Bob Lemon removed him from Game 6 in NY of the "81 World Series, the game in which the Dodgers clinched the championship, of course!
Kahli ~ like your list. Especially Brad Penny and JD Drew. I'd have to add Jeff Kent and Gary Sheffield to my list.
Oooo, this is fun……..
Damn it tru, you beat me to Sheffield.
I guess it's unfair to Bill Russell, but I always held it against him that Bobby Valentine got screwed.
Then, there's Andruw Jones
Guys I could never boo:
Shawn Green
Brett Butler
Dodgereric ~ How can we forget Andruw Jones?! lol I loved Shawn Green and Brett Butler too.
Speaking of Bobby Valentine, I heard this morning that he will be joining ESPN for the playoff coverage.
Bob Lemon? Is that the same one that pitches for the Tiger?
Why does this subject bother me?
Lots of fans that are season ticket holders thought Jeff Kent was a nice guy. He did not need a camera to be nice to us.
new thread……….
before I do…………….I can think of a current player I will have no loveloss for when he is gone …………..JMO, of course 🙂
In fact did he even get booed playing for the Astros?
kahli, I know what you mean about Bradley. As someone with a temper problem of my own, I understand a lot of what he does. I certainly don't know of all his issues, but while he was here, I didn't have a big problem with him. That bottle-throwing episode – I probably would have chucked it too. I think I remember that he had a bottle thrown at him on the road somewhere and having one thrown at him in a home game sent him over the edge.


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By the numbers, Judge Alito's language was painfully cautious. He mentioned "stare decisis" -- respect for precedents (i.e., Roe v. Wade ) 68 times. But he mentioned "abortion" only 23 times and hardly used the word "overturn" at all. Among his top three-word phrases: "I don't know" (29 times). Among his top four-word phrases: "I would have to" -- as in, "I would have to know the arguments that are made" before answering the question (21 times)."Humphrey's Executor" (whoever he is)... A thousand conlaw profs wring our hands. "Humphrey's Executor" (whoever he is)! As if that's just some obscurity Alito threw out to bamboozle us.
The nominee relied heavily on the language of law books, mentioning "Humphrey's Executor" (whoever he is) 10 times, "undue burden" 10 times, and "jurisdiction" 25 times.
IN THE COMMENTS: Stiles defends Milbank:
For the politically interested layperson at home, Humphrey's Executor is "legal gobbledygook" and that is Milbank's audience, not the ConLaw community.John Althouse Cohen responds to Stiles:
Stiles and others who are making this point are leaving out the fact that Alito thoroughly explained what Humphrey's Executor is and why it's important, in terms that should be comprehensible by a layperson.I add:
They were too busy observing that it was all gobbledygook and that he wasn't saying anything to listen carefully enough to have a shot at understanding it. But yeah, it was quite comprehensible, even though... Senator Kennedy tried his best to fuzz it up because it had to do with the "unitary executive" issue that he was trying to alarm people about.I include a long passage from the Thursday transcript that shows how Alito explained the case and Kennedy tried to make Alito look extreme.
UPDATE: This post is getting enough attention -- here and here and elsewhere -- that I want to add that I think Milbank is surely capable of understanding Humphrey's Executor and writing about it if he felt like it, that there is a place for lightweight pieces like this one, that "whoever he is" is an amusing locution, and that the main observation in the article -- that Alito talked about law and the Senators talked about politics -- is sound and worth making. I do bemoan the fact that the reporters covering the hearing stand at some distance from the legal issues under discussion and mostly only observe the dynamic among the participants. In doing this, they can miss the content of the discussion. If I'm a little harsh on Milbank on this score, it's because I heard him say this on "Reliable Sources" on Sunday:
I had a discussion through the week with my editors. They said, "We want you to write about Alito. He's the nominee." I said, "That's great, but the senators are doing all the talking."So he's ignoring the substance and dumbing things down because that's what the people want. Sorry, but this bugs me a little. He feels free to opine that nothing was said, wielding his authority as the Washington Post reporter on the scene, but I'm not convinced he ever engaged enough to know. And now there's this meme: Alito said nothing. I don't think that's fair.
So, I mean, he wasn't the story in the sense that he didn't say anything particularly interesting. You know, the fact is these hearings are entirely theatrical. There is no substance conveyed...
[I]f the picture [on camera at the hearing] zoomed out a bit there and you saw what was going on at the table, first of all, you would see that three- quarters of the tables were empty after about two hours of this....
They left. They were reading a newspaper. There's computer solitaire going on.
Fortunately, we had some wi-fi there in the chamber. You would have seen me weeping. Forget about Mrs. Alito. It was dreadful....
[From the moderator, Howard KURTZ: But this is dereliction of duty. There was legal substance being discussed.]
There was legal substance, but, as a matter of fact, I'm sure you could actually draw up an equation, every time you mention "due process" on the air you lose 5,000 viewers. Every time you mention "unitary theory," the executive, 20,000 viewers click off. And the same thing with the newspapers. It's not something that people can appreciate.


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With the advent of Google Chrome, Google made it easier for users to search using the address bar, or what they call the Omnibox. However, it looks like the omnibox in the latest Canary version of Chrome has undergone a drastic change. The new omnibox in Google Chrome canary for Windows replaces two key components from Google Search; the search box and Google Instant and brings it directly to Chrome.
The search box has been a significant part of Google search for more than a decade and allowed users to type in their queries and view results. However, Google moved towards making the search box obsolete by introducing the Omnibox in Google Chrome and it looks like they are completely abandoning it now.
The latest version of Google Chrome Canary (Version 27.0.1446.0 canary) now directly uses the Omnibox as a search box and does not redirect to the usual Google search page as it did earlier.
Additionally, it also does not replace the search keywords with the Google URL like it did earlier and continues to display it in the omnibox. The omnibox now also fully supports Google Instant with suggestions as displayed below. Earlier Google Instant was partially supported with no suggestions comping up for the entered terms.
The new omnibox is definitely an improvement over the search experience since it now provides a single input for searching keywords as opposed to two (the address bar and omnibox) and also brings the power of Google Instant and its suggestions to the address bar.
The feature is currently in its infancy and only exists in the Canary version of Google Chrome. However, given the build lifecycle of Chrome, this might make it to the stable versions of Chrome pretty soon.


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I've implemented picking based on color coding, but I don't want the background color to be pickable. Is there any way in openGL (2.x) to exclude the background color? For some reason, doing glClear(GL_COLOR_BUFFER_BIT) just before rendering in "color picking" mode, excludes the background in windows but not in Linux.
I'm using glut btw.