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RIT Upsets DU 2-1 in Albany
185 comments:
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 2:02:00 PM MDT
My thoughts exactly.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 2:38:00 PM MDT
100% pathetic.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:04:00 PM MDT
Too many kids on DU thinking about their futures in the NHL and not trying to win an NCAA championship. Sad.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:10:00 PM MDT
Absolutely shameful.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:24:00 PM MDT
3 years in a row and they go 1 and done... Pathetic! Inexcusable!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:25:00 PM MDT
What an absolutely poor showing for the end of the season. They should have just stayed home for the last 3 games.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:26:00 PM MDT
BWAAAAAAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!! RIT!?! ARE YOU SERIOUS? ThAT'S PRICELESS!!!!! I GUESS LAST WEEK REALLY DID MATTER!! SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE DU SUCKS!!!!! THIS IS A GLORIOUS DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:28:00 PM MDT
I absolutely predicted this outcome. If you look back at the post for DU/UND game at the Final Five. DU sucks big time. This is really priceless. Have a great summer DG
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:28:00 PM MDT
The most upsetting thing is that CC will probably put up a banner celebrating this.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:30:00 PM MDT
Careful UND fans, you still have to play your first round game!!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:31:00 PM MDT
The only banner they'll have
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:31:00 PM MDT
I can't believe how much wasted talent this team and especially this group of seniors had. So snakebitten. three years in row, a first round exit. This group of senior has consistenly broken my heart for 4 years now. I am looking forward to moving on.
they never could win the big game set aside one Playoff championship. There have been few guys who bled crimson and gold for four year than R & R. Goodbye to them. Even with a a few seniors next year, it's going to be a down year. Goodbye Joe and Patirck. Bring in Bennett and Shore. Let's see what you can do in 2012. Coldn't be any worse than blowing two consecutive years of #1 seeds.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:31:00 PM MDT
Chokey McChoke Choke.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:31:00 PM MDT
lets go yale!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:32:00 PM MDT
Chortle chortle snort chortle.
Tee-hee. OVER RATED. Yeah I said it. SO WHAT.
Overheard comments as CC raises a banner celebrating the DU meltdown.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:34:00 PM MDT
Choke will forever define Rahkshani's DU legacy.
Watch out Wisconsin, Vermont is a trap game for you.
I predict NoDak will lose to BC for what the 629th straight NCAA playoff game. Go Yale! save the Souix from that embarassment
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:36:00 PM MDT
would have liked to see a little more passion, heart and grit in this one. Chevy played only ok, but didn't get a lot of help out front or offensively. Didn't use the body and lacked any muscle in front of RIT's net. Oh well, time to fire Gwoz. He is the problem if he can't get the team fired up for this one (again)! He sucks.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:38:00 PM MDT
Losing to Yale in the first round would be much worse than losing to an upstart team fired up for their first national championship run; thats for sure.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:39:00 PM MDT
Chevy can kiss any chance of a Hobey good buy!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:40:00 PM MDT
60 years, 7 National Championships, 14 WCHA Playoff Championships, 12 WCHA Championships.
And you lose to a team that team that's been Division 1 for 5 years.
Murray Armstrong would be spinning in his grave if some veteran weren't in there. Holy Shit!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:40:00 PM MDT
I agree - Gwoz should be on the hotseat at the very least.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:41:00 PM MDT
I predict DU will watch the rest of the tourney! tehe Pardon me while I LMFAO!!!!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:41:00 PM MDT
Smug bunch of losers from the git go. Might as well have been recruited by Minnesota. No heart. Now for those good for nothing over aged canadians to get their butts whipped by the smart guys can be the only thing to make this weekend worthwhile.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:43:00 PM MDT
- C Now said...
Seats not as hot as Lucia's and just as hot's as Dave "two finger salute" Hakstol if he loses to Yale.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:44:00 PM MDT
gwoz can just kiss my ass!!!!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:44:00 PM MDT
Upsets like this make the NCAA tournaments awesome. Even though I'm furious right now, it's still cool to see a no-name school go on.
If only D-1 football "bowl series" would figure this out.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:45:00 PM MDT
- C Now said...
No heart is right
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:45:00 PM MDT
Need to play the players with heart instead of the NHL draft pics and favorites...what a joke.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:46:00 PM MDT
wow such DU hate on UND lol.
Anyways looks like the Curse of the MacNaughton continues!
May not have been the way you all expected the season to end but it was still a good season DU.
From this Sioux fan, see you the next time we play.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:46:00 PM MDT
absolutely, HACK-TOOL sucks! If they get beat by Yale I will LMFAO! That will serve them. They got lucky in MPLS but won't be. We will get them next year for sure!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:48:00 PM MDT
Sky is falling in Denver it sounds like. Gwoz will not be on the hot seat... He just won the WCHA regular Season. C'mon guys stick with your team. Denver had two rough weekends in a season where they absolutely were the best team in college hockey.
As a Sioux fan I don't know how to feel about this one. I hate DU as a rival, but I hate seeing these eastern teams go deep in the playoffs.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:48:00 PM MDT
That's why the Gopher didn't make the NCAA's, great players, no team concept. DU was just barely a better team.
Ultimetly, the game was played by individuals.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:49:00 PM MDT
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:52:00 PM MDT
There have been DU fans who haven't been impressed with what Gwoz has done since destroying UND in 2005.
This latest failure is just another addition to the list, in my opinion (and others, surely). This problem of not being fired up for big games is no longer just a minor annoyance. This progam will not win a title anytime soon with this lazy, entitled way of playing as the season comes to the Championships.
This is not to say that Gwoz has to go, something has to change in the way the program is run though.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:53:00 PM MDT
I really miss the hardworking group of men that won back to back championships. Guys like Foster, Drummond, Ulanski, Larson, Fulghum.
Those guys knew what it meant to bleed Crimson and Gold.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:53:00 PM MDT
Boonetown to notown.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:56:00 PM MDT
- Angélique C. Murray (Jori) said...
That was definately a punch to the gut. Congrats to RIT.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:56:00 PM MDT
Gwoz will certainly not be on the hotseat, he's still one of the best coaches in college hockey and put together an unbelievable regular season. Just needs to work on motivating these guys in the tourny. inexcusable but its hockey, it happens
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:56:00 PM MDT
Thats what we need to get back to .... it's nice to have the NHL talent there, but it's obvious they don't play as hard when they have their "family advisors" telling them to think about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:57:00 PM MDT
Maybe you giys can help me out. I was looking for that checklist that was here a bit ago. I was wondering if "Lose to RIT in first round" came before or after "Piss away another "great" season" I LOVE IT!!!!!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 3:59:00 PM MDT
The better team won today. RIT came out with grit and determination. On the other hand DU came out flat and passionless. Give credit to RIT's goalie too. He made some really big saves.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:01:00 PM MDT
At least there is one CC fan out there entertained by itself on the internet.
Shouldn't you be shopping for participation banner fabric? You did participate in the 2009-2010 season after all.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:02:00 PM MDT
- Nathan said...
I think the tone for this loss was set during the opening WCHA playoff weekend against Michigan Tech. DU did not blow MTU out of the water the way they should or could have. Follow that up by a forgettable weekend in St. Paul, and I think any DU fan honest with themselves could see something like this being possible...the scoring has not been there for two straight weekends, why would it start now? The loss of Maiani, a key player 5-on-5 and on the PP and PK, certainly didn't help either.
I think losses like this and the Holy Cross upset over Minnesota a few years ago speak to the volatility of a single elimination playoff format in hockey. There is absolutely no way that a team like RIT, as good as they are, could beat Denver in a multiple game series. When you bring it down to one game, it's different. Add in extra TV timeouts to essentially eliminate the bench depth advantage a tournament favorite usually has and the odds of an upset increase dramatically.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:02:00 PM MDT
As a hockey fan, I feel bad for the DU seniors. However, I do not feel sorry for the smug DU fans ,led by the ultimate hack...dg, that frequent this site.
You all deserve what you got........flameout.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:03:00 PM MDT
I blame DG and those stupid Boone to Motwon t-shirts he printed up in December.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:03:00 PM MDT
- C Now said...
Bring you team's credentials if your gonna call people's fans smug.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:06:00 PM MDT
What kind of hockey fan feels bad for a group of seniors that excelled in the art of choking?
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:06:00 PM MDT
It's obvious a lot of the posts are from the CC faithful...so what have you girls been doing the last couple of weeks?
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:06:00 PM MDT
They've been painting eachothers toenails and writing poetry.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:08:00 PM MDT
I agree - Gwoz should be on the hotseat at the very least.
Please. That is the most ignorant piece of crap that anyone could post. There are only 16 teams in the tourney and DU was one of them. Yes they lost, yes the seniors did not play well but a coach can only do so much. It is ultimately up to the players to motivate themselves and produce. DU is lucky to have Gwoz and to even think that his job would be in danger is stupid.
The problem is that success (back to back National Championships) can breed failure (USA Hockey Devo. team players who went the sh@$ hits the fan start to play like individuals instead of as teammates which is what got them on the USA Hockey Devo team in the first place).
Look at the teams that won - with the exception of Carle, you had a bunch of lunch bucket guys who played their ass off for one another. Grinders, muckers. DU has become a finess team. Look at UND. They would much rather knock the snot out of you and take a penalty than to make a fancy move or blind pass.
DU has some kids in the pipeline that are reminiscent of the type of player that had when they won it all. The program will get back on track.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:13:00 PM MDT
- Dave said...
RIT fan here. Just wanted to thank DU for the way they've treated us on other boards. I understand how you must feel... watching the game it was painfully obvious how big the difference in talent was. That said I just wanted to say that you DU fans shouldn't feel like the sky is falling. We are a good hockey team. We are a proud hockey team. We've beaten big teams before including Minnesota at their own tournament, Cornell, and St. Lawrence. We tend to play up when the competition is the best. That doesn't mean we are anywhere near teams like Denver.
We are absolutely no where near Denver in talent. That is clear. But sometimes glass shines brighter than Diamonds.. because glass has more to prove.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:13:00 PM MDT
" It will be expensive for me to go to Detroit"..........guess not. You guys jinxed this team about half way thru the season with all the boonetown to motown talk......
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:14:00 PM MDT
Bahahahaha, Denver gophers choked out!!! Gwoazdickhead coach of the year, Bahahaha. Do your little dasher dance you spider monkey!!!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:15:00 PM MDT
Really, something needs to change as to how they approach the game of hockey. There's no heart (as someone said earlier, I just had to say it again because that's exactly what this is). The DU boys play like the most entitled group of whiny girls in the nation. Yeah, they're great players individually, but there is NO team concept, and that is why throughout the season there were numerous defensive breakdowns (especially early in games) and Chevy was hung out to dry and forced to make game-changing saves. Not shocking that eventually all that came back to bite us in the ass.
As far as Gwoz goes, hell, anybody can recruit bluechippers to play at a program like DU because it has that much going for it it sells itself(Magness, beautiful campus, rich hockey history). And he's done that. But there's the whole "coaching" aspect of his title as Head Coach that means you fire up your team when they go into the first intermission down to a team of nobodies. From what I see, there's no passion from his end, either. At this point, it's HIS job to do some soulsearching this offseason and decide how to best approach the upcoming season so that we dont make it 4 in a row of 1 and out. This meltdown at the end of the season is absolutely embarrassing for all of us DU fans. I just wish the boys and Gwoz feel the same way. But i'm not so sure, the future NHL millions and Gwoz's new contract are probably clouding their vision.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:15:00 PM MDT
@ Dave
RIT played and passionate, gritty game and I can't agree more that, that is the reason why they won today. Good luck in the rest of the tournament.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:17:00 PM MDT
@ Trev
All of us CC fans are at Whole Foods shopping for some white fabric so we can all make a checklist and not finish it out too! We're a bit happier today too, howsabout U?
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:24:00 PM MDT
Hey, I saw some some portly DU fan in the stands holding a boone sign when DU scored their ONLY goal.... Any idea who this lone fan was?
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:27:00 PM MDT
@ Anon
Since when did Whole Foods get white fabric? U sure you guys aren't at some pot shop looking for something to get high on?
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:28:00 PM MDT
I'm ignorant?
Have you been watching DU fail when it comes to big games the last five years?
In what sports world is a coach NOT on the hot seat in this situation?
I'm sick and tired of people saying that this is not related to coaching and it's only on the players. COACHING AFFECTS THE PLAYERS. If a team is well oiled and clicking; they're coached 'well' . If things go wrong with the team it's suddenly bad player leadership. BULLSHIT.
Gwoz recruits the players, babysits them, and is their mentor. So it isn't a strech to wonder if this lazy, entitled way of playing the last few years is his fault.
We'll see if these talented kids in the pipeline are worth a damn or if they play the same lazy, entitled game when the season is on the line. And if they continue to fail - Gwoz will be gone by 2014.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:30:00 PM MDT
FINALLY a DU fan with some sense! Thank you.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:32:00 PM MDT
It's true coaching can have the effect of motivating the players. Its time we get a bunch of recruits who aren't so concerned about developing for a year or two and immediately heading off to the NHL. I want to see more dedication, passion, and gritty play next year.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:33:00 PM MDT
Seems to me it would be more intelligent to make your checklist on a iPhone or a piece of paper.
But you do go to CC ....
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:35:00 PM MDT
Agree with Nathan
Disagree with fedDUp. Nobody is more passionate about winning than George.
I see the lack heart come more from Rahkshani to fancy, no grit. That is what this team was about. You don't win without grit.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:35:00 PM MDT
Too many people are in love with Gwoz. Just like they were with Shannatan.
3 epic failures in 5 years - gwoz
1 playoff win in 10 w/o elway - shannatan
In sports it is "what have you done for me lately" except in Denver where we conveniently forget the bad times of the present to remember the good times of the past.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:41:00 PM MDT
- C Now said...
To CC fans, no one has said it yet today '57. STFU.
To the trash talking, yokle, redneck Souix fans, you're a disgrace to your programs legacy and the 99% of rest of your decent and honest fans. Also STFU!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:41:00 PM MDT
@feDUp - your post is about the only post that is meaningful here. I'm a passionate DU fan and season ticketholder and I have just gone from fan to PISSED off!
This team has spent too much time this past month reading all their press clippings and printing off copies of the USCHO Poll showing them as #1. Except for the game when Chevy got hurt, I never saw this team truly gel as a team. Just a bunch of talented individuals who happened to be able to string together enough good playing minutes to keep anyone from beating them.
Their offense and their defense was absolutely horrible during the tournaments and the last few games of the season. I have nothing bad to say about Chevy. That guy stood on his head and made more saves than he should have had to in order to keep DU in games. Too many defensive turnovers in their own zone as well as failing to get the puck out of their own zone was a huge problem.
Next year, I vote that Gwoz sits anybody drafted by the NHL and lets those with real hearts play!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:42:00 PM MDT
It's amazing how fast you DU fans throw your beloved under the bus.......pretty sad.....Common, there is always next year...hehehe
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:42:00 PM MDT
I'll miss the points, but I'm looking forward to a Rhett-less team next year. I don't like his stuck-up pansy style of play. Good wrist shot though.
Two big questions: will Chevy return? will Big Joe return? I doubt it. So here's to a season of Adam Murray as our number 1. I just threw up in my mouth.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:42:00 PM MDT
Oh please, college coaching careers don't compare with prefessional coaching careers.
Ron Mason won 900 some games at Michagan State and only won 1 National Championship. George will be Denver's Red Berenson.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:43:00 PM MDT
"I think any DU fan honest with themselves could see something like this being possible.."
Absolutely. This team peaked way too early. Honestly, I believe the decline began just after they won the Denver Cup over BC. From that point on things changed - less team play, more individuals trying to do it all themselves. Perhaps they thought that after beating a great program/team like BC that they could put it on cruise control for the remainder of the season and then flip the switch in the post-season. Doesn't work that way.
I remember Caldwell and how he challenged (perhaps threatened is a better word :) his teammates to get it together when they hit a slump on the way to the Championship. Didn't see the intensity level anywhere near what those teams had.
Further, the defense really fell apart at the end of the season and defense wins championships. The first goal that RIT scored today was a lousy clearning attempt (Brookwell - bank it off the upper part of the glass don't just whip around the bottom of the dashers - they teach you that in PeeWee's for crying out loud) but it was indicative of the way that the defense has played as of late. Scared. A bit of forechecking pressure and they fall apart. Lee looks completely lost out there yet he is always on the ice in key situations. Donovan wants to channel Bobby Orr a few too many times.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:44:00 PM MDT
- C Now said...
Chevy will be back, Goalies would be stupid to jump before four years.
Joe is long gone.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:46:00 PM MDT
I feel like Chevy will stay, and big Joe only if the bruins want him to develop at this level for another year before bringing him up.
Please stay for another year, Chevy!! Murray needs your guidance ....
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:46:00 PM MDT
I like Donovan's aggresive play, he was their best d-man today.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:48:00 PM MDT
Also, can we ask for a favor as fans ...
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:48:00 PM MDT
Joe is definitely long gone and maybe Patrick too. Its a shame to see that college hockey is becoming a one year, maybe two year minor league and then players just don't care. Too much like NCAA basketball or football now a days.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:52:00 PM MDT
funny comment by achsdu17 below - "3 years in a row and they go 1 and done..." - ONE AND DONE MEANS YOU WON ONE!!!! Denver didn't win ONE this year - so this isn't even ONE AND DONE. and Miami destroyed you last year. Ha ha DU!!!!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:57:00 PM MDT
Boonetown to Motown t-shirts...................Worthless.
DU fan loyalty...........Hopeless.
Today's DU top line.....Effortless.
DG, on his own blog.....Speechless.
ANOTHER DU flameout.....Priceless.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:58:00 PM MDT
He means one game and done. Are you stupid?
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 4:58:00 PM MDT
I'm ignorant?
Yes Trev you are. Extremely ignorant.
You obviously did not follow DU hockey during the lean years (oh, from the time that Coach A retired until Gwoz arrived at DU).
You have obviously never played ice hockey at the D1 level. Your coach is not your "mentor". He is someone you fear and respect. He is not your buddy, he is not your friend. He is somenone who's good side you want to get on if you want playing time.
If a team is well oiled and clicking; they're coached 'well' . If things go wrong with the team it's suddenly bad player leadership. BULLSHIT."
Interesting theory. So if the team plays poorly it is entirely the fault of the coach. So where does the responsibility of the player/team fit into this scenario? Where does leadership of the captain come into play. I guess that it doesn't because if the team wins the coach was "lucky" and if the team loses the coach "sucks".
Your post sounds like that of a whiny, lazy entitled DU student.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:02:00 PM MDT
@ Amy
We go there to shop for hemp paper....its organic! :)
It's what we do. Earth friendly and all that.
@ C Now
There are many of us CC fans that appreciate the kindness you DU fans show us by reminding us about our last win in 57. This way we do not have to busy ourselves in remembering such things. We have you galuts around to remember for us. We do appreciate the fact that you are able to remember two numbers at the same time. It simply amuses us.. Thank you!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:03:00 PM MDT
You play one game and lose then your done.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:03:00 PM MDT
Swami, you ready to retract your statment about how the Final five tournament means little to DU fans?
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:03:00 PM MDT
So Boone, still have your tickets to Motown? Maybe you can check out a TIGERS game.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:05:00 PM MDT
Anybody seen DG around. Better check the psych wards in and around the greater Albany area.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:06:00 PM MDT
"Book Detroit".............too funny.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:07:00 PM MDT
I'm stunned. Damien, thank you for all your amazing efforts this year with this blog, and the Boone movement. I bet Jimbo the Angel is not happy up there tonightMaybe next season I'll register here and not be Anonymous finally. DU fans are the best. Lots to be proud of!
Everyone be safe out there.......talk to you in October
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:10:00 PM MDT
@ Anon 6:03
Lol. I guess so. Just don't burn too much of it. ;)
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:11:00 PM MDT
- Jordan said...
90 comments? Wow.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:21:00 PM MDT
This is funny for 3 straight years you don't get out of the first round being a number one seed. Its definietly like a Holy Cross upset.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:28:00 PM MDT
Better.....It happened against the most spoiled, trust-fund gloating, smug fans in all of college hockey.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:32:00 PM MDT
lol anon...
Why don't you crawl out of Gwoz's ass and see the daylight?
I've been a DU fan since 93 (I was only 13) so I do only remember so much. Wow .. you really got me there.
So, obviously, you're an old fart whos bitter about SOMETHING here ... not sure what since you don't even seem to be a DU fan.
What does the point of whether or not I play D1 hockey matter? Theres proably 2 people who read this all the time who have. So, is everyone's opinion invalid then because they didn't play big time division one hockey? Stupid.
All coaches should be people that you fear? That's why the Rockies fired Clint Hurdle in favor of a more "mentorlike" option in Jim Tracy. Yes, this is a pro sports example but it applies.
That wasn't a "theory" but more a generalization about how the public reacts towards a sports team depending on whether or not their team is doing well. Surely you've noticed this over your years. Its obviously not a reflection of reality. Sorry that went over your head, old man.
Anyway - I fail to understand your <3 of the Gwoz, what has he done for you lately? I personally have begun to agree with the UND perception of "Maybeline" when it comes to our pompous little coach.
He can change my mind still. Gwoz has the power. All we can do is make noise with our fingers on the internet.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:33:00 PM MDT
@ Anon 6:32
What the hell trust fund are you talking about? What to give me some of that money?
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:35:00 PM MDT
Don't get me wrong here, I'm a DU fan and I'm bitterly disappointed in today's loss, but it's no wonder Adam Murray wants to transfer to Anchorage because he feels like he "lacks the support of the Denver fan base." There are so many DU fans out there that are fickle. You love the team and the players when they are hot, then you hate everybody when they have a few ugly losses. If you call yourselves fans, you should support the team and players even in the bad times, not rally to fire the coach. It isn't Gwoz's fault that some of the players lacked the drive and determination to succeed.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:36:00 PM MDT
Sorry about that. Anyway...if I didn't have scholarships I would never be attending college.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:36:00 PM MDT
Its okay, Amy. Most of us know that there are kids at DU who aren't gated community morons who will fail away daddy's company in a joint IRS/DEA sting operation.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:40:00 PM MDT
For the record - I must say that I DON'T want Gwoz fired. That is not what I am trying to state here. Gwoz is a very good coach and has done wonders for not only our hockey program but the entire DU Athletic program in general.
Being on the hot seat and demanding a firing are two VERY different things in my book.
I'm just shocked that there aren't more DU fans out there who aren't concerned about the directon of the program.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:45:00 PM MDT
6:45 wrote..."I'm just shocked that there aren't more DU fans out there who aren't concerned about the directon of the program"
Oh, I'm REAL concerned about the rankings, winning the Gold pan, the Broadmore, the 2 Hobey finalists, sweeping UND and UM and all the NHL draftees that beg to come here.... oh woe is me.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 5:58:00 PM MDT
Am I # 100??? All I can say is CC SUCKS!!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:00:00 PM MDT
"Oh, I'm REAL concerned about the rankings, winning the Gold pan, the Broadmore, the 2 Hobey finalists, sweeping UND and UM and all the NHL draftees that beg to come here.... oh woe is me."
Really? REALLY!??!!? No wonder our team has sucked the last three tournaments if our fans are willing to settle for the fluff. THIS ISN'T CC. WE ONLY SETTLE FOR NCAA CHAMPIONSIHPS.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:05:00 PM MDT
Who wants NHL Draftees if they don't play for the school their at but only for the future NHL check?
That's a pretty stupid comment there ... wow.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:07:00 PM MDT
- Tim in Los Angeles said...
Fire Gwoz? You must be joking. Criticize the program? You haven't been paying attention. When I pitch DU at college fairs and tell parents that the hockey team's graduation rate is higher than the university's, they're impressed. 19 players on the WCHA all-academic list. Because of academics, the DU recruiting pool is much smaller than the big state schools. And they still manage to win, year in and year out. What happened the last 3 games? Who knows? No one wants a disappointing finish. But come on, it's been a fun ride this year and it'll be fun next year.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:10:00 PM MDT
There seems to be a rumor that Murray won't be back next year. Going to the USHL and looking for another school?
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:14:00 PM MDT
good riddance, he sucks
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:16:00 PM MDT
You're right. We should ignore the poor perfomances on the ICE when it matters because they graduate. -.-
What kind of parents base where their kids go to school on the graduation rate of a sports program? (I'm saying this assuming none of the kids are athletes)
At least we have a bed pan to piss in, eh?
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:24:00 PM MDT
Trev has a hissy fit & posts:
"Anyway - I fail to understand your <3 of the Gwoz, what has he done for you lately? I personally have begun to agree with the UND perception of "Maybeline" when it comes to our pompous little coach.
He can change my mind still. Gwoz has the power. All we can do is make noise with our fingers on the internet."
then he takes his medication and...
"For the record - I must say that I DON'T want Gwoz fired. That is not what I am trying to state here. Gwoz is a very good coach and has done wonders for not only our hockey program but the entire DU Athletic program in general.
Being on the hot seat and demanding a firing are two VERY different things in my book.
I'm just shocked that there aren't more DU fans out there who aren't concerned about the directon of the program."
Tell you what Sybil. I will "crawl out of Gwoz's ass and see the daylight [?] when you pull your head out of your own ass and stop whining like a little bitch.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:25:00 PM MDT
2011 Frozen Four @ Xcel in St. Paul.
Boonetown-2-Twinkietown starts today!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:25:00 PM MDT
I'm having a hissy fit? Hardly. I like how mad you're getting at me though.
Don't stoke out tho, old man -- I'm having too much fun.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:30:00 PM MDT
I love how you call me a "whiny little bitch" now ... the 'old man' comments must be stinging....
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:33:00 PM MDT
I keep meaning to get this all on one comment but I keep laughing and posting before I'm done.
You didn't address a SINGLE thing I said in all that quoting in your last post, old man. NOT ONE.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:35:00 PM MDT
Trev......lay off the roids, dude.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:50:00 PM MDT
but they're so tasty :P
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:51:00 PM MDT
- Tim in Los Angeles said...
Don't you just love the "anonymous" cowards?
Why are you hiding?
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:52:00 PM MDT
Meh ... it's the internet.
Internet + Anomnymity = Asshole
Yes, technically my name is "anonymous" as well, I realize that; but I at least use my name. I just have no need for a blogger account.
I really wish I hadn't taken the afternoon off. I'm starting to get bored.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:55:00 PM MDT
You guys and your fuckin bucket list. I guess another one and done. Sounds like your pesonal life. NICE TEIM! Oh I thought there wasn't an I in team. Your coach sucks. Even if you have the commissioner of the WCHA in your pockets and every where else, you still can't win. To bad you wasted NCAA money showing up in St. Paul and Albany, thanks for a great show. Have a nice off season.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 6:56:00 PM MDT
We have the WCHA commish our pockets? I 'lol' evertime I hear that. Conspiracy theories ... ritchie center office ... ooooga boooga.
But the others are in our pocket too? Thats a new one... please to explain CC anon.
Also a bucket list is something to do before you die -- we've already accomplished all those things and are just trying to add more to our SUCCESS LIST.
Sadly it's been tainted by fail for 3 years :( Oh well, to quote every Cubs fan, "There's always next year".
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 7:01:00 PM MDT
Complete embarrassment to the WCHA....I can't wait to see the RIT jerseys at your away games next year.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 7:01:00 PM MDT
And not a single person wearing one really can afford it, but their kids will understand why they eat only mac and cheese for a month.
That's what will be really entertaining about it.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 7:11:00 PM MDT
Het RIT fans = make sure you watch for Colborne on the NHL Network next year. Heck; why don't you invite your friends from CC, NODAK and UM over for a watching party?
OK; honest question.... how many Hobey Baker finalists from Rochester are there?
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 7:40:00 PM MDT
Did some anon say that you douche bags won the Broadmoor Trophy??? Well he didn't even spell it right - he must have gone to DU! Also - why are you upset - you got pissed on by Tigers - it happens all the time...
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 7:43:00 PM MDT
Trev wins the thread because I said so.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 7:49:00 PM MDT
- Jordan said...
Bahahahah "lack of support from the Denver fan base" makes Anchorage better for Murray. Might be true but we at least have like 37 fans instead of the 2 the pack the house up there every home game.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 8:20:00 PM MDT
Dg, how's the T-shirt sales going? Honestly, I would really like one of those boonetown to Motown shirts. I will wear it under my rit Jersey next time you clowns come to grand forks.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 8:25:00 PM MDT
The win by Trev would be the only one in the last two weeks. It's a damn shame.....ok maybe not. :D
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 9:03:00 PM MDT
Well anon@ 8:40 I admit there are zero Hobey finalists from Rochester...you got us there. Now I have a question for you....How many tourney wins do the Pios have the last three years? Oh that's right the same number of Hobeys from Rochester. hehe DU SUCKS!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 9:14:00 PM MDT
martin penalty was bullshit
killed any hope at that point
even though du got a makeup call
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 9:19:00 PM MDT
It's always such a pleasure to attend a DU "whine and cheese" party! Thanks so much for giving the rest of the WCHA so much joy today!! Way to represent boys!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 9:22:00 PM MDT
- vizoroo said...
Great Expectations
can lead to
Great Disappointment.
Today all DU fans are disappointed and I believe the team is the most disappointed today.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 10:42:00 PM MDT
Dg, common now, post something about how du fans now have to cheer against the Sioux. You have to continue your classless - hack ways.
I've never seen anyone who can be such a smartass when his team is winning and just up and disappear like a fart in the wind when they flameout.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 11:26:00 PM MDT
Is it just me or have we been one and done since Seth left? Seems like we need some new blood in the coaching department. If things stay the way they have since he has left and the administration does not take a hard look and start asking some questions we will have the same fate next year, if we even make it to the playoffs next year.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 11:27:00 PM MDT
Just as I suspected, a no show in the big tournament. Well there's always next year. Michigan Tech will be knockin' on your door. This is what happens when the goal judge doesn't turn on the light before goals are scored!!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 11:32:00 PM MDT
That's ridiculous to dismiss Gwoz; it's not his fault his players don't understand his greatness. The players got to have some gumption in their gittyup.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 11:37:00 PM MDT
The fact that there IS an anonymous option is explanation enough as to why people use it. It's a blog not a cocktail party. No one cares.
Holy hell. Get some ads on here my man! Think of the revenue with this traffic...or so we hope. Keep up the good work!
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 11:45:00 PM MDT
For those who wrote more than 1 paragragh; this is a blog not a novel.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 11:46:00 PM MDT
Sorry to max out your ability to comprehend more than a few sentences.
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 11:51:00 PM MDT
I recall being concerned about the jinx regarding "Boonetown to Motown" a few months ago. Nevertheless you could just feel that game was lost before it even started.....
- Friday, March 26, 2010 at 11:54:00 PM MDT
Dude, the average ACT score at Michigan Tech is 26, not quite sure what DU's is (???). It's just sad that DU fans have given up on their team and coach for the future. Most teams could only hope to have as talented of players and as good of coach. Look at March Madness, great teams, great coaches have gone home. It's called parity my friends.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 12:03:00 AM MDT
139 people commenting about DU hockey. Awesome. There was a time when 30 people visited LetsGoDU in a day.
Props to RIT and their fans. Great day for their program and school.
To our players and coaches, a bitter loss to be sure. Thanks to everyone who worked so hard this season.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 12:19:00 AM MDT
Great job DG, great site, great comments, even though no one likes me because I went to Michigan Tech. We'll have to have a get together at Spanky's to drowned our sorrows and talk some hockey.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 12:23:00 AM MDT
Flame on boys. Flame on.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 12:24:00 AM MDT
RIT played a good game and they deserve credit where credit is due. They played the game they needed to play in order to win and their goalie played exceptionally well. DU did not get the bounces and ran out of time, and that is the way hockey is sometimes. Regardless of the end result, they had a successful season and hopefully the returning players can use this as motivation next year.
As for the fans of other teams who showed up to rub salt in our wounds, your team has not won this tournament yet either. Pride cometh before the fall.
For the DU fans, circle the wagons. Go Pioneers.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 12:35:00 AM MDT
You can't spell schadenfreude without DU.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 12:46:00 AM MDT
- vizoroo said...
March 26, 2010
Our Great Expectations for the 2009-2010 DU Hockey season ended today.
And I'm sad and disappointed, but surely not as disappointed as 27 student/athletes and the coaches and staff.
And I'm really disappointed in some pseudo DU fans and the venom they spewed about our team and coach. Yes, some of those venomous anonymous comments came from other teams fanatics, but these were mean spirited attacks on young men, our boys, The same boys we've cheered for whenever they took the ice wearing the Crimson and Gold.
At times we've criticized them for what we believed was a lack of focus or effort, for not playing 60 minutes of their best hockey, for coming out flat. But how many times did Chevy, Rakhshani, Colborne, Ruegsegger, the 2nd line or the 3rd line or Weircioch or Donovan or an unheralded player pick up the team with a timely goal or save or hit which put the Pioneers on the way to victory. We praised their grit and character. Now some are questioning these very attributes.
DU fans and supporters were called smug and elitists. Well maybe we were or are. But I tend to think we are proud of our University and our team.
We are proud of :
60 years of DU Hockey history
The Pioneers' 27 wins this season inluding 6 shutouts
19 WCHA All Academic Team selections
8 WCHA Scholar Athletes
2 Hobey Baker Award Finalists
6 selections to the All WCHA Teams
WCHA Player of the Year Award
WCHA Coach of the Year
WCHA Goaltending Champion
WCHA Scoring Champion
2 CHN All Americans
1 CHN All Rookie Team Selection
2 College Hockey 247 All Americans
CHN Team of the Week
National Player of the Month
2 National Player of the Week
9 WCHA Red Baron Player of the Week
4 Seniors who have completed graduation requirements
Finalist for Lowe's Senior CLASS Award
Finalist for Hockey Humanitarian Award
World Juniors Gold Medal winner
Olympic Silver medal winner
4 NHL regulars from DU
14 players drafted by the NHL
10 game winning streak
Sweeping UND 4-0 in the regular season
Sweeping Minnesota 4-0 in the regular season
Winning the MacNaughton Cup
Winning the Gold Pan Trophy
Winning the Denver Cup
Being ranked # 1 or 2 in the polls for basically the whole season
Being # 1 or 2 in the Pairwise
Getting a # 1 seed in the NCAAs
7 NCAA Hockey Championships
Yes, I am disappointed we didn't win the game, but take nothing away from RIT they played hard and blocked the scoring lanes effectively. Their goalie made save after save. They won. Congratulations to RIT
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 1:08:00 AM MDT
- Chelsea said...
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- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 1:11:00 AM MDT
- Chelsea said...
Hey Frank, I looked up the ACT scores and DU is a 26 as well. :)
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 1:16:00 AM MDT
God damn it, I knew I should have voted for McCain.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 1:21:00 AM MDT
It's our struggles that define us...
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 1:37:00 AM MDT
Questioning the direction of the last few years hardly classifies anyone as a so-called "pseudo fan". Complacency in the direction of a program leads to situations as awful as CU football. As supporters of the DU athletic program, we have a responsibility to question and critique what goes on; even if these suggestions happen to go against the grain of the majority.
We demand championships here in Denver. The list of various gloating options is nice to read and all, but it all means nothing without the sweetness of the 2010 championship trophy.
I do not settle for participation banners.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 4:38:00 AM MDT
How is it that a team cannot get up for a NCAA tournament game? Did something happen on the team that no one is talking about, e.g., dissention of some sort? Looks like that to me. No passion, no drive, and a coach who looked like a casual observer on the bench.
The first line played so much that they were dragging themselves up the ice. Gwoz has done great things for this program, but it seems like he's lost his fire after being chastised for his behavior at Grand Forks a few years ago. There are players on the team who have the drive, but they
ride the pines watching the first line chug up and down the ice. What gives?
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 6:13:00 AM MDT
- du78 said...
Great post, sure we are all disappointed in the final outcome of the season but this fan is not off of the bandwagon. This team and this group of seniors have a lot to be proud of. This senior class has left their imprint on DU hockey history. Rock and Ruegs made an immediate impact both on and off the ice the minute they stepped on the campus. Vossberg, Brookwell, Gifford and Glasser all contributed to the team's success the 4 years they were here. The only piece of hardware this senior class did not win was the national title. Not many players, as Rock and Ruegs did, would put off pro careers to pursue their final chance at the national title. Kudos to the entire team, Gwoz and his staff for a great year.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 6:18:00 AM MDT
Doesn't anybody have any conference pride anymore? I'm a sioux fan and its very disappointing to me that you guys lost. I don't believe that we should ever cheer against our conference in non-conference play. Part of me is glad your done just because you have a great team and i didn't wanna have to play you again. Yeah its fun sometimes to give your rivals a hard time about its failures (HOLY CROSS). but its just discusting to me to see all these sioux fans rush to this blog to give you a hard time as is seeing the DU fans saying Go Yale. Maybe I'm just in my own world and am the only one that feels this way. But ive stood right along gopher fans who were cheering on the sioux over BC in 2000 and i returned the favor in 02 and 03 as hard as that was (even participated in the rouser). Cheered for DU in 04. I just think its kinda sad how people hate the other WCHA teams so bad that they would rather cheer for Yale, RIT, BC, Maine, UNH, Vermont than their Final Five drinking buddies
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 7:27:00 AM MDT
Good post Tom. Personally, I always pull for all the WCHA teams in the tourney (except the Rodents, some things are just too unpalatable) especially after DU exits..which is our M.O. of late. I can even swallow hard and root for CC when needed... anyone but those Eastern prep-boy pansies.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 7:53:00 AM MDT
This was a magnificent season of entertainng hockey with a team that won a couple of important titles - the toughest trophy in college sports (MacNsughton Cup as WCHA Champion) and restored the Gold Pan when the last five DU teams couldn't. Add in the 19 all academic selections, and the individual honors and it as a season of triumph and accomplishment that we have not seen since 2005.
Sure, the ending sucked - there is no sugar coating that. The team did not get the level of performance you'd expect from a league champ. They will take to their graves. No excuses.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 8:19:00 AM MDT
Alright - THAT'S IT! How many more days until our October exhibition home opener? Bring it on, Alberta!! Good luck getting any pucks past our #1 goalie, Paulgaard. We're going to whoop you Mother ZUCKERs!
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 8:28:00 AM MDT
Timmy In La La Land posts:
Don't you just love the "anonymous" cowards?
Why are you hiding?
Timmy - you don't provide any info other than your Blogger name in your profile (you claim to be a recruiter for DU). I guess that also makes you an "anonymous" coward too you tool.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 9:23:00 AM MDT
Whoever asked about how many more days until the exhibition opener vs. Alberta - my unofficial estimate is 190 days. Plenty of time to send off the Seniors, wash the jerseys, take off the collars and leashes of the ones that want to run off, get the youngin's settled in, and put a team together....
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 10:16:00 AM MDT
I think it's pretty s*$!$@ to bash your own players. From what I saw after the game, devastation was evident on their faces. Maybe some don't care quite as much as others and have other things on their mind. That's the case on any team, be it high school, college, pros, etc. But they all cared. For God's sake, they're in college. I'm from TN and while I've had my moments of making fun of the men's basketball team, because yes, they've had a history of choking in the Sweet 16, I'll be cheering them on and wanting them to win. Seems as though a lot of you so-called "fans" were literally just waiting for the opportunity to put them down, and not via constructive criticism, which would have been fine. Don't bother buying tickets next year, really.
I played several sports up through high school, and yes, bad games are inevitable. It's unfortunate they came now, but it just happens. Sometimes nobody can get a team fired up, not even the team themselves. That's not due to any player's lack of heart either. So yes, while I'm disappointed, I'll be supporting them next year too. Thank you, Damien, for providing this outlet and I am extremely confused as to why some commenters think you're smug or stuck-up. Since I have no real affiliation with DU, I can say this unbiased, and that's that you seem to simply be a devoted fan to your school of choice. Nothing more, nothing less. You were representing and isn't that what support is all about?
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 12:18:00 PM MDT
Wow, the DU fans are not only smart, but quite attractive as well.
Well, I hope everyone has had time to reflect on a sad day in Pio hockey and hope for the best next year. They will be loaded with young talent again next year. Don't lose sight of the good hockey this year.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 1:11:00 PM MDT
- Tim in Los Angeles said...
Timothy Wurtz - Los Angeles, CA - BA, DU, 1973. MA, USC, 1976.
Member, University of Denver Alumni Admissions Council (volunteer to rep DU at college nights. Pariticpate in Hyde Interviews.
BIO - Timothy Wurtz has spent more than 25 years writing and producing feature films and TV movies. A former reporter, Tim grew up living in London, England, Ankara, Turkey and Munich, Germany. His dad worked for the U.S. government. He earned a BA in International Studies from the University of Denver.
As a writer-producer, he uses his knowledge of journalism to acquire the rights to true stories. Tim has written numerous TV projects including true stories Monkey Boys, Red Star Murders and the Lacy Brown Pilot.
Tim's feature-film work includes projects for studios in the U.S., Canada and Germany. He has now moved into the arena of independent features with A Clean Kill and the award-winning Hungry Hearts. His latest producing effort is the award-winning documentary "BRATS: Our Journey Home" - the first documentary about growing up military, narrated by Kris Kristofferson.
As an advocate of the essential, seminal role of the writer and writing in the film and TV industries, Tim founded the Writers Guild of America's Media Relations Committee. His knowledge of media and publicity, and the work of the committee, has resulted in a number of highly successful WGA programs and events that have taken the coverage of film and TV writers from virtually nothing in 1988 to commonplace today.
Enough? Or would you like more?
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 1:16:00 PM MDT
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 2:41:00 PM MDT
I saw DU going down weeks ago. Hence, did not go to Albany. Wonder who return next year. Could be rebuilding year.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 2:48:00 PM MDT
We are reloading...
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 4:13:00 PM MDT
North Dakota is sucking it up to the max.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 4:38:00 PM MDT
Well, well, well...I hope all the asshole Sioux fans that were talking shit on this blog last night enjoy golfing with us!
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 5:34:00 PM MDT
RIT looks good in this game...
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 5:53:00 PM MDT
NoDak sucks...
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 5:54:00 PM MDT
All of the sudden the DU-RIT game doesn't look like such an upset. RIT is playing great and UNH is playing like shit.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 5:59:00 PM MDT
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 6:15:00 PM MDT
RIT kicking major ass. Damn.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 6:44:00 PM MDT
I pray that they bring in RIT for the Denver Cup next year (they usually schedule 1 or 2 loser, nothing schools on purpose anyway). I'd love to see Paulgaard get a crack at shutting out those sissys.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 6:45:00 PM MDT
Denver Cup teams for next year are Air Force, Clarkson, and Lake Superior.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 6:51:00 PM MDT
Vadgers are beating the (moderately decent) Huskies...lousy fat cheesefukkers.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 7:14:00 PM MDT
Hey North Dakota go fill some sand bags. I feel much better tonight.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 8:12:00 PM MDT
Day 2 of the NCAAs revealed an RIT team that made UNH look silly, and the DU loss look a lot better, since DU at least got 40 shots (many of them Grade A( and dominated the second 30 minutes on Friday.
North Dakota going down to Yale is also a surprise, and tells you just how tough it is when you get to the final 16...
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 9:28:00 PM MDT
- Chelsea said...
Well said Frank. Good luck next year pios, I look forward to another great year.
- Saturday, March 27, 2010 at 10:15:00 PM MDT
'Frank' is a little girl named Jessica and rides a shiny, red tricycle. I can prove it.
- Sunday, March 28, 2010 at 5:27:00 AM MDT
So who else besides me screamed at the top of thier lungs in pure enjoyment when the "fighting" Sioux got eliminated? ..... and they still suck!
- Sunday, March 28, 2010 at 7:50:00 AM MDT
- parlaw5 said...
I personally want to thank the players and coaches for an exciting season. No, the season didn't end the way anyone in these parts wanted it to - but, it was still an exciting and entertaining season none the less.
To those that question the heart and passion of anyone on this team - STUFF IT! The fact that there were tempting opportunities available to some players and they returned to play their final season - says so much about their character, passion and committment for DU Hockey. Crimson runs through their veins and Gold is in their hearts (ok - that was a bit sappy - but true none the less). As for the team as a whole - unless you are in that locker room - you can't know how personally a player takes that loss. I personally am proud of how this team and program represents this school and city. It is the great teams that everyone wants to beat.
I also will take a coach with such a HIGH standard and moral integrity any day! Remember the National Championship and the fact that he benched a senior, "A" Captain, and the player that scored the game winning goal to put them into the National Championship? That was tough to comprehend at the time - but I applaud the Gwaz! We could have been like other teams that that dropped a player because of a DUI, wait for the heat to cool off a little and them bring them back to finish the season. Coach Gwaz is truly a man of integrity!
For those of you that are calling me the Kool-aid drinker right now - Your WRONG! I am appreciative of the gift of sport. The fact that David can beat Goliath any given day is a beautiful thing. A sport that is played by humans fraut with human error and yet on some days we get to enjoy the spoils of the war. I'm not a DU grad - but, I am a fan through the good times and bad.
To Rhett, Tyler, Brandon, Brian, Cody, and Matt - thank you for giving four years of your life to entertain us and watching your growth as men.
To the returning players - live and learn from the experiences this past year and bring it to the ice next year.
To Coach Gwaz - can't wait to see what you bring to the ice next season.
To Damian - thank you for an incredible blog that allows so many to share their opinions (ignorant as they may be - including my own).
To my fellow fans - I can't wait for the puck to drop -- it's going to be a LONG summer!
"Who loves ya, baby?!"
- Sunday, March 28, 2010 at 8:22:00 AM MDT
Don't knock Frank, he probably knows more about hockey than most hockey fanatics.
- Sunday, March 28, 2010 at 9:59:00 AM MDT
We love your blogging Frank!!! Keep up the good work. Not sure who the anonymous girl is on the red tricycle?
- Sunday, March 28, 2010 at 10:14:00 AM MDT
Don't pick on Frank, I've seen his slap shot!!
- Sunday, March 28, 2010 at 10:18:00 AM MDT
Maybe 'Frank' can come give goal judging lessons at DU.......
- Sunday, March 28, 2010 at 10:59:00 AM MDT
parlaw5 had a great post. I mean really - how'd you like to live in the U.P. and shell out good money to watch the Huskies each week? We have it pretty dang good here for 6 months. Sure it's disappointing - but It wasn't disappointing in November; or New Years, or Halloween. I can't think of a better place to live and spend money for tickets watching some top-notch hockey.
- Sunday, March 28, 2010 at 4:14:00 PM MDT
You are spot on (anonymous), I spent a lot of money going to Michigan Tech games over the years and seeing them turn in losing seasons. I kind of like the hockey here. We should feel lucky to have such a good program in Denver.
And, I will accept the goal judging position for next year. I've got 20/20. I will ring up every goal DU scores next season. Looking forward to it.
- Sunday, March 28, 2010 at 4:44:00 PM MDT
You're spot on (anonymous), I spent a lot money seeing a losing team(Michigan Tech) come out on the losing end of the stick over my 4 years. I did however get to see Brent Peterson(drafted by The Lighting) and Liam Garvey(drafted by the Islanders) and got to hang out with them in Law class. And my buddy in marketing class is now the assistant hockey coach at MTU. We are very lucky to see such good hockey over the past year from DU. Wait until next year!!
And about the goal judging job, I will have to interview with the athletic department on that one. I will keep everyone posted. I've got 20/20. I am looking forward to ringing up every goal DU scores next year.
- Sunday, March 28, 2010 at 5:26:00 PM MDT


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posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 1:08 pm
I am remarkably impressed with the multilevel abilities currently available in Mplus. However, I was wondering if you might suggest a citation that describes exactly how Mplus is estimating a particular type of multilevel model.
specifically, I've used two child-level predictors & one child-level outcome from the high school & beyond study. Using the %within% and %between% statements in Mplus, I can fully replicate the fixed and random effects for both intercepts and slopes that are obtained in PROC MIXED.
here is my question: specifically how is Mplus estimating these values? My understanding is that the between & within approach of say Muthen (1994) clearly only allows for random intercepts whether under FIML or MUML. How are random slopes possible here?
again, i'm tremendously pleased with these capabilities, I'm just trying to understand this estimation process analytically. any recommended readings would be most welcome.
thank you for all of your time and effort.
posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 9:20 pm
Thanks for your comments. Mplus 2.1 introduced FIML estimation of models that go beyond the random intercepts models that MUML considered. Unlike MUML, FIML does not perform an analysis of between and within covariance matrices. Instead, full maximum-likelihood estimation with random slope models draws on raw data as in regular multilevel modeling using HLM, MLwiN, or PROC MIXED. I am currently preparing a paper together with Tihomir Asparouhov that shows how Mplus integrates such multilevel modeling with SEM features using a general latent variable framework, where latent variables can be random intercepts, random slopes, or factors. The estimation builds on the EM algorithm where random effects are viewed as missing data. The paper will shortly be placed on the Mplus web site in pdf form and it will be announced on SEMNET and Multilevelnet.
posted on Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 8:56 am
Thank you for your helpful reply. I was hoping I could ask just one more quick question. When reading McDonald & Goldstein (1989) and Muthen (1991), it seems to be the case that the FIML approach to multilevel SEM under unbalanced designs is analytically intractable, and this is what in part motivated the clever MUML approximation.
Would it be accurate to say that Mplus has been able to overcome the intractability of FIML in the unbalanced case for multilevel SEM? If so, in your opinion, does this functionally "solve" the problems encountered when violating iid assumptions in the entire class of SEM? For example, if the entire OLS regression model is nested within standard SEM, is the entire random effects regression now nested within multilevel SEM?
I suspect all of these questions and many more will be addressed in your upcoming paper, but I was hoping you could send a few lines with your thoughts as I wrestle with these interesting new developments.
thank you for keeping this such a fun area in which to work...
posted on Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:56 pm
FIML for the multilevel SEM was not intractable, just a bit more cumbersome computationally, and not directly implementable in conventional SEM. Hence the value of MUML. Both the FIML and the MUML approach was presented in Muthen (1990) - see Mplus web site under References/Multilevel Data. Essentially, instead of analyzing one within and one between group as in MUML, FIML would use one within group and D between groups, where D is the number of distinct cluster sizes.
The MUML model itself, however, is more limited than the models that the current Mplus FIML handles. MUML only does random intercept models, whereas FIML also allows random slopes for observed covariates just like in multilevel regression. So, the current FIML is more general than the random intercept version I discussed in 1990.
So, yes, random effects regression is now nested within "multilevel SEM" - although I would prefer to refer to it as "multilevel latent variable modeling" since this spans a broader framework.
We are still a bit away from being able to do general random slope modeling in SEM, however, because we don't yet allow random slopes for latent variables. This will be in the next Mplus version due out next year. But I would say that already now, we certainly take good care of the lack of independent observations through the current allowance of random intercepts and slopes.
posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 5:28 pm
It seems that random slopes model for observed variables can be handled using Mplus2.14, but the random path analysis model (both effects a-->b and b--->c were random) still not supported by MPLUS, right? Also, random slopes model for latent variables do not supported. Whether the new coming version can be used to handle those questions? Thanks.
posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 5:38 pm
2.14 can have a random slope for an endogenous (y) variable using a trick. Random slopes for latent variables is not supported in 2.14. Version 3 can do both of these (without tricks).
posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 2:54 am
I am currently running two-level analyses like example 9.1 (except my group level moderators also have within group variation). At the between level I have found that the moderator significantly predicts variation in the slope between the predictor and the criterion (i.e., s on w is significant). I was hoping to probe for simple slopes at high, medium, and low levels of the moderator using an Aiken and West type of procedure because all of my variables are continuous. Do you have any recommendations how to do this what the input might look like? Thank you.
Linda K. Muthen
posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 11:05 am
I am not familiar with the Aiken and West article. What you could do is take the mean of s and evaluate y at the mean and plus and minus one standard deviation from the mean and plot those values.
posted on Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:11 pm
I receive the following error message when predicting random slopes between two level one variables:
Is there any way to tell if constraining the variance is inappropriate?
posted on Friday, December 16, 2005 - 12:53 pm
Another layer of this same problem -
in the context of
s | y on x;
y s ON w;
w is categorical. When w is not listed as categorical, then the model provides an error. However, when w is listed as categorical, no error message is provided.
The modeling suggests that the nature of w should not matter, as it is not a DV, however, it seems to have importance for the model.
Linda K. Muthen
posted on Friday, December 16, 2005 - 3:10 pm
If the estimate of the variance of s is approaching zero, then fixing it to zero is not inappropriate because it is zero. This mean that the slope growth factor is a fixed not a random effect.
You will need to send your input, data, output, and license number to
for an answer to your second question.
Christian Geiser
posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 12:20 pm
Dear Linda,
I am trying to estimate the following random intercept regression model in Mplus 5:
Level 1: Yij = b0j + b1j(Xij) + rij
Level 2: boj = g00 + u0j
b1j = g10
where boj is a random intercept, b1j = g10 is the fixed slope for the regression of Yij on the level 1 predictor Xij, rij is the level 1 residual, g00 is the average intercept across clusters, and u0j is a level 2 residual for the intercept.
My Mplus Model statement is as follows:
Yij on Xij;
At first glance, the output looks like what I'm looking for, but I'm puzzled by the finding that the estimate for g00 (under "MEANS") is very different from what I get in HLM. Also, the estimate for g00 does not change when Xij is centered. I wonder what Mplus is actually estimating on the between level in this model? Is it the grand mean of the variable Xij or the average intercept across clusters (as I had expected)?
Funny enough, things are different when I run a random coefficient regression analysis in which *both* the intercept b0j and the slope b1j are random coefficients that vary across level-2-units:
B1j | Yij on Xij;
Then centering Xij makes a difference for the estimation of g00 as I would expect.
Thank you!
Linda K. Muthen
posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 - 9:12 am
To compare to HLM, you need to put the covariate on the WITHIN list. Please see Examples 9.1 and 9.2 in the most recent user's guide for a description of what happens when the covariate is not on the WITHIN list.
Katrin Lintorf
posted on Friday, September 25, 2009 - 7:48 am
in order to familiarize myself with Mplus I compared the output of model with a random intercept and random slopes with the output of the same model in HLM. Most estimates/standard errors differ only in the second/third decimal place but the significance of the random slopes differs clearly. I read that the HLM-Chi-Square test is one-sided, but even when I divide the Mplus-p-value by two the difference is still obvious:
Estimate S.E. Est./S.E. P-Value
StandDev VarComp df Chi-Sq P-value
Katrin Lintorf
posted on Friday, September 25, 2009 - 7:49 am
Here are some details about my analyses/models:
- I specified a model with two L1 covariates. The only L1 covariate is the mean of one of the L1 covariates. The L2 covariate is used to explain the intercept b0.
- Both L1 covariates are on the within-list of Mplus.
- I use a student level weight in both analyses.
- I use MLR in Mplus and FIML in HLM.
- I have 5 multiply imputed datasets.
- The L1 covariates are z-standardized and group mean centered � whereas I find the same pattern without group mean centering.
Could you give me any hint, why all the other values differ by just a small amount and concerning the significance of the random slopes I find such a substantial difference?
Thank you in advance for any comments
Linda K. Muthen
posted on Friday, September 25, 2009 - 9:33 am
Try using ESTIMATOR=ML in Mplus. If that does not solve the problem, send both the HLM and Mplus outputs and your license number to
Peter Elliott
posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - 3:47 pm
A statistical review of our ms said that we should use a random regression model rather than a growth curve model BECAUSE we only had 3 time points. Our (continuous) data is non-linear, and GCM estimates random intercepts and random slopes. I am confused about the difference between RRM & GCM. Is there a clear advantage of RRM over GCM? Is there a good ref that compares RRM to GCM?
Thank you,
Bengt O. Muthen
posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - 5:42 pm
3 time points is not really enough for non-linear growth modeling. I don't know what is meant by random regression modeling. Could it be using splines? Random coefficient regression is another matter. Generalized additive models is yet another. Does somebody else know?
Susan Haws
posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 10:54 am
When you estimate a model with type= complex twolevel random and include one random slope, the output provides the variance for that random slope, as well as a standard error and p-value. What significance test is being applied here? Is this useful in the decision about whether the slope should be random or fixed? Raudenbush and Bryk descibe a chi square test as part of the decision process, but I can't tell if that is what MPlus is providing or not. thanks!
Bengt O. Muthen
posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 2:03 pm
The significance test is the same simple z test as is provided for all parameters. This is not a great test for variances as is well-known because of testing at the boundary of the admissible parameter space. Many articles have been written about alternatives using a mixture of chi-squares, but may not be suitable in all the kinds of models that Mplus offers.
Jan Zirk
posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 8:46 am
I was interested only in the 'within' variation of x (x = 70 reaction time trials nested within 20 participants;). I estimated a twolevel regression with MLR (type = twolevel; within = x y z; model: %within% x on y z).
Next I estimated another MLR regression (type = complex; model: x on y z). The p-values/SEs are slightly different.
Which of these 2 approaches you would recommend if we are interested only in the 'within' level variation?
Linda K. Muthen
posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 11:27 am
If you don't want to model the between level, you can use TYPE=COMPLEX for a regression model.
Jan Zirk
posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 12:48 pm
Thanks very much.
And if I need Bayesian estimator, and then 'complex' is not available; can I trust the estimates from a model which has type = twolevel but the %between% level is not specified?
Linda K. Muthen
posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 1:38 pm
You can trust the results but it is not the same model.
Jan Zirk
posted on Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 3:33 pm
OK, thanks a lot.
Ahmad Adeel
posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2015 - 3:29 am
Hello Dr. Muthen,
Please correct me if I am wrong in my logic and coding as I am not getting desired results.
Consider: x--->y, m1 and m2 are moderators on relationship between x and y. there are 5 groups and each group is selecting its own y based on m1 and m2. I am using random coefficient regression for this and code is:-
VARIABLE: names are x,y,m1,m2;
CENTERING = GRANDMEAN (x,m1,m2);
ANALYSIS: Type is Random;
MODEL: s | y ON x;
s WITH y;
y s ON m1,m2;
please correct where I am wrong in my logic and coding.
Bengt O. Muthen
posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2015 - 10:32 am
Your random coefficient regression looks correct. It implies an interaction between x and m1, m2. If you have problems with this run, send input, output, data, and license number to
But I don't see where your groups come in. If you have different y's for the 5 different groups, I would think you'd do 5 different analyses.
Ahmad Adeel
posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2015 - 4:04 pm
Groups are small contain just 4 to 7 members. Similar research has been done using someother software by someone else I thought Mplus is a powerful tool so I want to try it using Mplus.
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Ashes 2013: Alec Stewart backs Australia over Chris Rogers pick
- From the section Cricket
Australia's Ashes squad does not contain the star names of teams past, but it has a good blend of youth and experience, plus plenty of players who could cause England a problem or two.
Eyebrows may have been raised over the call-up of batsman Chris Rogers at the age of 35, but to my mind it is a clever and well thought through selection.
The retirements of Ricky Ponting and Mike Hussey have left Australia with a batting line-up desperately short of experience, so to pick a guy who has a proven track record in English conditions makes perfect sense.
Whereas the county spells of his team-mates Usman Khawaja, Ed Cowan, Phil Hughes and David Warner were all very brief, Rogers has shown over a long period of time that he understands how to score runs in England.
Over the last nine years in county cricket, he has scored 9,375 first-class runs at an average of 54.19 for Derbyshire, Leicestershire, Northamptonshire and Middlesex.
Whether he opens or bats at number three - and I would expect him to bat at three for Australia - he has shown a consistent ability to bat long and get big scores, having scored first-class hundreds in his career.
Although his only Test appearance came back in 2008 - when he made 15 and four against India at Perth - Rogers will be looked upon as one of the senior members of the squad and can also be an influence off the pitch.
He will have played regularly at all the grounds being used for the Ashes and will be able to pass on bits of local knowledge.
Australia's squad has also been strengthened by the return of Brad Haddin following a spell on the sidelines due to his baby daughter's serious illness.
Like Rogers, Haddin is 35 and brings with him a mental toughness built up over 96 one-day internationals and 44 Tests, including nine against England.
He is a typically gritty Australian cricketer, a good gloveman who has a touch of Ian Healy about him and knows how to score runs at number seven. He is also a proven leader, who will provide vital support to Michael Clarke in his role as vice-captain.
Back-up wicketkeeper Matthew Wade has shown flashes of talent and could even challenge for a top six batting slot, but Haddin, with his fighting qualities, was the natural choice for the short-term goal of wresting back the Ashes urn.
While one experienced Australian earns a recall, another is left out in the form of erratic paceman Mitchell Johnson.
Johnson burst onto the international scene with his form in South Africa in 2008 but has struggled against England. On his day, he is dangerous but he has not been consistent enough in his Ashes career to really demand selection.
His replacement James Faulkner is a left-armer who has an excellent domestic record for Tasmania in Australia and can score some handy runs lower down the order.
He forms part of an impressive-looking group of pace bowlers who will definitely trouble the England batsmen during the Ashes.
The one thing Australia do not have, of course, is a world-class spinner and I was not surprised to see Nathan Lyon named as the only slow bowler in the squad.
Beyond Lyon, who is a solid if unspectacular performer, Australia simply do not have any spinners of Test quality so they will be relying on their quicks to do the damage.
Australia are not the force of old but, with this squad, they have made a pragmatic selection to give themselves the best possible chance of winning back the Ashes.
I still expect England to be victorious but they will have to answer some serious questions along the way.
Glorious Gayle
Was Twenty20 cricket made for Chris Gayle? What he did for Bangalore yesterday, setting a new record for the fastest century in professional cricket by reaching 100 off 30 balls was unbelievable.
Whatever level you play at, whether it be school cricket, village cricket, international or IPL, to score that number of runs in that short space of times - 175 not out from 66 balls - is incredible and takes a very special talent.
It was entertainment of the highest order and I just hope we can continue to watch Gayle in all forms of the game for many years to come.


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WASHINGTON, May 20 (UPI) -- An agency such as the Federal Communications Commission must be given deference concerning the scope of its jurisdiction, the U.S. Supreme Court said Monday.
While the FCC claimed the interpretation of its own statutory authority is subject to review under a previous court case, Chevron vs. National Resources Defense Council Inc., the Texas cities of Arlington and San Antonio claimed Congress meant to withhold from the FCC the authority to self-interpret its ability to set limitations.
"Under Chevron, a reviewing court must first ask whether Congress has directly spoken to the precise question at issue," Justice Antonin Scalia wrote for the majority. "If so, the court must give effect to Congress' unambiguously expressed intent.
"However, if 'the statute is silent or ambiguous,' the court must defer to the administering agency's construction of the statute so long as it is permissible."
In the case, the FCC attempted to update development of new telecommunications technology by requiring state and local zoning authorities to respond to applications for new wireless communications facilities within specific deadlines; Arlington and San Antonio argued the FCC lacked authority to adopt those deadlines.
"The contention that Chevron deference is not appropriate here because the FCC asserted jurisdiction over matters of traditional state and local concern is meritless," the majority opinion said. "These cases have nothing to do with federalism: The statute explicitly supplants state authority, so the question is simply whether a federal agency or federal courts will draw the lines to which the States must hew."
Scalia said preconditions to deference under Chevron were satisfied because Congress "unambiguously vested the FCC with general authority to administer the Communications Act through rule-making and adjudication, and the agency interpretation at issue was promulgated in the exercise of that authority."
Justices Clarence Thomas, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan joined in Scalia's opinion. Justice Stephen Breyer concurred.
Dissenting were Chief Justice John Roberts, and Justices Anthony Kennedy and Samuel Alito, who said a court shouldn't defer to an agency until the court decides the agency is owed deference.
"Courts defer to an agency's interpretation of law when and because Congress has conferred on the agency interpretive authority over the question at issue," Roberts wrote in a dissenting opinion joined by Kennedy and Alito. "An agency cannot exercise interpretive authority until it has it; the question whether an agency enjoys that authority must be decided by a court, without deference to the agency."
In its opinion issued Monday, the Supreme Court consolidated the Texas case with one involving the Cable, Telecommunications and Technology Committee of the New Orleans City Council.
Emily Bremer, an attorney-adviser of the Administrative Conference of the United States, said she was satisfied with the court's ruling.
"I am pleased with today's Supreme Court decision reaffirming Chevron, the doctrine that has long governed how courts review an administrative agency's interpretation of a statute the agency is charged with implementing," Bremer said in a statement. "The court prudently refused to make that doctrine more complicated than it already is, likely preventing many years of legal instability and wasteful litigation for both agencies and regulated parties."