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Have you ever been in a debate with a Christian and what you said about their religion offended them personally? Have any of those people been your friends, to whom you have great respect? How do you go about apoligizing for something you are not sorry for saying?
I wear my atheism with pride. I think it is very important that everyone speak out when given the opportunity to place religion in the spotlight and reveal its many ugly sides that are so often ignored. Yet I'm finding more and more that it is impossible to do so without making enemies in the process. Regardless, I feel it is something that needs to be done, but I still feel bad for the hurt feelings I'm causing. I NEVER attack them personally, but if you attack their Jesus or their God, their reaction indicates otherwise... Ugh. It's frustrating.
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I have not had a acquiantence/friend get that offended yet, fortunately.
I have read on another site (WhyWon'tGodHealAmputees.com) the acronym SPAG: Self Projection As God. Meaning most people put themselves into their understanding of God. Which is in part what the video (that SteveInCO kindly posted a link to) refers to - IIRC. (I first saw it months ago so I did not watch it again.) Which means we need to be careful when discussing religion. Maybe even pointing out the tendency for SPAG.
Maybe talk to the person(s) who have felt offended and explain SPAG and the other aspects in the video. Explain you are sorry for any unintentional insult and that you never wanted to insult them but you do want to educate them. Kevin Anthony's reply rephrases one of my favorite quotes as a set of questions and those questions might be a good way to reopen the discussion - if you can and want to.
It is a very difficult thing to do--especially because they seem to goad us into it. They just won't let up, getting more and more insulting until we say something back and then it is all our fault.
The key in my mind is not to actually debate them. That will just cause them to dig in their heels. Far better to throw out the occasional "bon mot" that undermines their thinking. Then let them stew. The de-conversion has to be their idea. Trying to force it is almost always counterproductive.
Read these three short essays. They may help--especially the last one.
When I find myself in a debate with the religious it is never my mission to convert them to atheism. I simply express my opinions and knowledge through the fun of it. I love intelligent, thought-provoking conversations and I love causing others to think as well. I also never bring up the subject of religion (I hate bible-thumpers and people who push their religion on others, so I would never do that). Most of the time my religious friends challenge me with questions. Some of them are very fascinated by my viewpoints because I see the world so differently than the norm in the community I live in. The problem is, once you get me going, it is very difficult to stop (one point leads to another, and another, and so on...). I like it when they ask me questions because this subject is COMPLETELY off limits in my house among my family. They would much rather pretend like their daughter is a "searching Christian" and is only going through a phase right now. Things get ugly when I do or say anything that discourages their delusions...
I've thought many times about writing a book about what it's like being an atheist in a southern baptist community; growing up amongst them, my experiences within the church growing up, my deconversion story, and my life now as an atheist. I know it's been done before, but at least it would be therapeudic for me, if nothing else, to get my thoughts out and not spew them all over my Christian friends. Whenever they ask me questions I could simply refer them to chapter 4 in my book...lol
I have been in a lot of debates before, tho i never being the one who initiate it; since in my view, its useless to have a personal debate since there wont be any significant changes especially with those who are delusional..unless its at a mass debate.
And i do not apologize, if they are offended with my point of view while ignoring the facts and serving fiction only..they can marry the fictional character/s they so love for all i care..
not that i care.
I once offended someone by questioning if Christianity should be able to hide behind the same concept of diversity that it seeks to destroy in every other instance. I felt a little bad, but they just butted into the conversation anyway so screw em'.
It's easy to offend Christians, just point out the lunacy in the Bible. But Muslims are perhaps easier to offend, draw a picture of Mohammed.
I never attack someone's personal faith, but if I do happen to get into a debate, I attack religion as a whole. However, most people see an attack on religion as a person attack. I don't suppose that can be helped. You shouldn't apologize for saying how you feel. If they can do it, so can you.
I've been in similar situations before. It is a very hard thing to try to fix (it was for me, anyways). She didn't talk to me for like four days, and I eventually just sat her down and we talked for a good 5 or 10 minutes about what we both had said to eachother. We didn't debate, we didn't apologize, because like you, we wore our faith pride. We did, however talk about all the upsides to both of our religious views, and it really cheered her up. She told me about all the times the whole WWJD thing really helped her, and I talked about how my moral values were intact enough to just do the right thing. Once we both opened our minds to some of it, it made us closer than we already are. :)
I just try not to talk about religion to a religious person... they have been told to believe in things for years- the repitition is part of their lives which makes the closed minded. It's not worth trying to open their minds because most people wont budge. :( But I do wish friendly debates could actually remain friendly..
To me its like talking to child about Santa. If I feel they are ready for the truth I have no problem proclaiming my atheism and the way I feel about beliefs in gods, spooky ghosts, and things that go bump in the night.
If I feel they are not ready then its a lot of "how nice".
On the other hand I never have a problem telling people I dont pray, I dont go to church, ashram, temple etc.
if they wish to persue it beyond that...oh well
I've known many Christians who respected my beliefs. Also, I've met those who couldn't stop proselytizing. My friends did not take offense. But, the Bible-thumpin' jerks would keep at it until I finally had to cuss them up one side and down the other to give them a clue. People who are your friends wont't try to make you feel uncomfortable. The ones who try to make you feel badly for not buying the-guy-in-the-sky are not doing you a kindness. Just tell them what you believe and tell them to let it go. Some people are just ITLESS.


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Education Reform's Moon Shot Moonshine
In today's Washington Post, education secretary Arne Duncan describes the administration's $4.5 billion "Race to the Top" fund as "education reform's moon shot" — a watershed undertaking that will transform the way children learn and dramatically improve outcomes. No doubt he believes that. But since he also seems to believe that he brought about dramatic academic gains in Chicago — something that I and others have shown is not the case — the secretary's beliefs should be taken with a grain of salt.
"Race to the Top" funds will be used to reward states that pursue education policies favored by Duncan and President Obama, and, by extension, to punish states that don't. It is obedience training writ large. States that Duncan felt were going in the wrong direction in recent weeks, like Rhode Island, were rapped on the nose: keep it up, and we'll withhold millions in education funding kibbles, they were told. States like Colorado have already been brought to heel. "We all know Colorado needs this money," Lt. Gov. Barbara O'Brien told the Washington Post, and she and other state officials have poured over Duncan's every word to ensure that they follow his commands to the letter.
And what commands Duncan and Obama are giving! High on their agenda is bringing the nation's schools into lock step when it comes to standards and testing. They promise, with little evidence, that this will drive educational excellence. Meanwhile, just this month, British schools secretary Ed Balls terminated that nation's decade‐long national math and reading strategies, saying that: "I think the right thing for us to do now is to move away from what has historically been a rather central view of school improvement through national strategies." If central planning were a panacea for education, why are the Brits — who have years of experience with it — turning away from it?
And if the president and his education secretary really cared about evidence‐driven education reform, they would not have decided to kill the D.C. opportunity scholarships program that gives low income families in the nation's capital access to private schools. Children in that program for three years read two grade levels ahead of their peers who remained in public schools. And that's according to Duncan's own Department of Education.
Obama and Duncan may well train state education leaders to follow their commands, but there's no reason to believe those commands will improve American schools.


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BARRINGTON — The Planning Board will hold a public hearing Jan. 8 on the proposed gravel pit on Green Hill Road at the Rochester town line.
Plans for the proposed excavation area, submitted by Trinity Conservation, LLC, have already been approved by the Planning Board as complete, and the Strafford Regional Planning Commission is reviewing the project documents for regional impact.
The site of the proposed gravel pit would also see blasting operations if the Planning Board approves the site plan for the project down the road.
The excavation area is being proposed in an area currently zoned as residential, and would be in proximity to Barrington homes on Green Hill Road, as well as Rochester homes on Stillwater Circle and Jessica Drive.
Since the plans have been proposed, residents in Barrington and Rochester have expressed concerns about the project. These concerns have revolved around potential dust levels, noise, the project's effect on the Isinglass River, and decreasing property values.
If the project gets approved, Green Hill Road would also see truck traffic coming to and from the site on a regular basis. At peak hour, trucks would be driving on the road every 10 minutes, according to planning documents.
According to Town Planner Marcia Gasses, gravel pits are permitted to be situated in residential areas in Barrington.
The public hearing on the project will take place at the Early Childhood Learning Center on Ramsdell Lane, at 6:30 p.m.


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Editor's note: Scroll to the end of this article to read Scott Simon's tweets. For readers unable to see the Storify below, click here.
(CNN) -- Scott Simon, for lack of a better phrase, was live-tweeting his mother's final days.
In carefully worded posts, Simon, who has spent years artfully telling stories as host of "Weekend Edition Saturday" on National Public Radio, shared these most intimate moments with strangers and friends alike.
On Twitter, his million-plus followers are generally treated to news updates intermingled with the detailed movements of his and his family's lives. Simon is something of an open book; photos of him as a child on Santa's lap and of his parents and his children fill his website.
When Simon and his wife adopted their daughter in 2004, he shared it with the world in a recorded essay for NPR. His instantly recognizable voice describes how he and his wife held their daughter in their laps as they sat in a hotel overlooking China's Pearl River.
"My wife and I were happy before we met our child, but now we feel we're just beginning to grasp the hugeness of happiness that's possible," he said.
Coming to terms with the death of his mother, Patricia Lyons Simon, seems another kind of hugeness, if only as seen through his updates. Lyons Simon died early Monday evening.
Secrets spilled in life's final minutes
On July 19, he mentions her a couple of times but also posts a smiling photo of himself and family out at dinner. Fast forward to July 26, and his updates are posted almost exclusively from inside the hospital's walls -- observations of his mother's behaviors and his attempts at negotiating the tight-knit hospital community.
By Sunday, the only updates are tender descriptions of their interactions. The lens focuses on just the two of them, and Monday we are given access to the final goodbye between a mother and her son.
A few comments left on the New York Magazine website under a story about Simon's updates before he confirmed his mother's death, were critical.
"Everyone suffers loss. Everyone," wrote commenter MIHAIBRESTYAN. "That's no excuse for begging for attention and acting pathetic."
"What's with the tweet when he said he was holding his mother's hand," commenter BARTLEBY posted. "I imagined him by his mother's bedside doing just that ... and typing in his tweet with his other hand. It's his way of dealing, but in my experience, sometimes you're more in the moment if you just put your mobile device away."
On the blog Millers Time, the author makes an observation that sums up much of the social media reaction:
"I am drawn to this for two reasons: I believe Scott Simon is doing a service to us all, opening a window into a life event that many of us have or will experience. In his willingness to share what he is experiencing, in his wonderfully honest and sincere way, he hopefully opens a dialogue families can have prior to such an end of life experience," the author, who identifies himself as "Richard" says.
"We do not talk enough, I believe, with each other and with our parents about the end of life, especially when there is still time to discuss some of the issues involved. Thank you Scott Simon for doing what you're doing now," he says.
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Sept. 4 marked the 25th birthday of the Buckyball — aka the buckminsterfullerine — a date that ostensibly gave birth to the nanotech industry. A fullerine is a carbon molecule whose atoms have been highly structured into symmetrical spheres and tubes (such as nantubes).
Two Rice University scientists found a way to structure carbon atoms and their first creation (for which they won the Nobel prize) was a molecule shaped like a geodesic dome called C-60, hence the namesake of the molecule (Buckminster Fuller is the father of the geodesic dome).
The molecule was made from a lattice of 60 carbon atoms which were warped to form a perfect nanoscopic sphere with remarkable properties. The Buckyball and its sibling the carbon nanotube are incredibly lightweight and incredibly strong AND highly conductive.
One company, Nanocomp, is manufacturing body army that is the thickness of a business card but can stop bullets, and a nanowire lighter and more conductive than copper.
Though the field of nanotechnology is only 25 years old, the applications of fullerines and and other nanostructres are nearly limitless (great audio piece). Rice University researchers are now building nano-filters that can suck CO2 directly out of the air. One company called Oxane is making nano-balls that can be used in extracting natural gas, replacing the toxic fracking compounds currently used. Then there are companies like Porifera making tubes that can extract salt from water, greatly reducing the costs of desalination plants. There are also medical applications -- the ability to enginere nano-balls that attach to viruses like HIV making them incapable of reproducing.
So let's celebrate the birthday of the Buckyball, a noble little molecule which many say will lead to the next industrial revolution -- a revolution that, through dramatic, will only be visible through an electron microscope.


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It's pretty cold out right now – and dark. Very dark very early. It's a good thing our next vendor spotlight is on My Tattered Whimsies, owned and operated by Andra Johnson, who also happens to make the warmest + cutest 'glittens' this side of the North Pole. (Yes, I know that that covers a lot of ground: …they're that good!)
We met Andra for the first time as a vendor at The Big Thaw last April, and her selection of crocheted items, handmade jewelry and hair accessories has grown tenfold since then! We're loving the crackled, turquoise beads, rustic gingham fabrics and brassy chains she's included in her work.
So sweet!! We asked Andra when she thought winter started, and when a shopper might be in need of some fingerless gloves for cold nights full of knitting, crafting, or just when you need a little extra warmth:
Well, it used to be that the first signs of winter were when the stores started putting out the fake plastic evergreens and bright, sparkly ornaments. However, that seems to be starting before the tourists start heading home and the beaches are still packed. So, I would say that winter officially starts in Maine when you have to dig the ice scrapers out of storage because defrosting the car just won't cut it anymore.
I'll say! Although we know Mainers will stay at the beach well through September when they can, we couldn't agree more about the obnoxious 'early birding' the big stores have been indulging in in past years. That's why we're psyched The Chill is happen in December – when it's officially O-K to think about ice scrapers, sparkly ornaments, the holidays, indulging yourself and your loved ones, and buying local and handmade!
In addition to My Tattered Whimsies, Andra is also a talented illustrator and painter and has items available from her shop, Andra's Whimsies, which we will feature in the coming weeks. Busy busy busy!
Come visit Andra at The Big Chill arts, crafts and vintage sale on Saturday, December 3rd, 10am to 4pm at Mayo Street Arts Center, 10 Mayo Street in Portland, Maine. Wahoo!


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Climbing the 16th century stairway up to "The Great Hall" at Christ Church I wasn't sure what to expect. I could sense the years of knowledge, intelligence and culture leaching out of the walls.
As I entered, the porter whispered to me, "They just started telling drinking stories." Not quite what I envisioned, but I was there to listen to Andy Hamilton talk about his book, Booze for Free.
The stories put everyone at ease and soon questions were flying as fast as the home brews were being passed around.
His face lit up like a man who found the secret to life as he told of his beginnings.
"I like foraging, I like gardening, I like drinking, I like home brewing- can I get away for a year doing this?"
He went on to explain how easy brewing is, demonstrating as he spoke. Mixing up sugar, hot water, orange juice and yeast in an old water bottle, giving it a shake, "wait five days and you have your first brew." Of course it might not be the nicest thing you have tasted.
As he spoke a vial came my way, a dangerous combination of 50 chillies left to steep for 3-6 months in vodka. The gentleman across from me had the "nerve" (or inanity) to taste a drop, resulting in a bright red face, tearing eyes and heavy panting for the next few minutes.
The thing that intrigued me was how simple and inexpensive it all was. Brewing is no longer a combination of tubes, copper vats and fires. You can get something tasty from hacking down a few Himalayan balsam plants along the river. It is also environmentally friendly, using species that choke native wildflowers.
He stresses the importance of local land and plant knowledge when you start foraging. It is best to have a good relationship with the land owner so you can make sure no nasty chemicals are sprayed. Take a local foraging walk with a guide and double check your collections on websites or books.
Rosemary Cleaver from Hops and Vines (www.hopsandvineshomebrew.co.uk) in Witney is full of great advice. "We are coming up to Elderflower season. Pick them on a sunny day when you can smell that lovely perfume." She adds, "Just bash on with it, it's easy and produces such good results."
Matt Ford from Headington Homewares (www.headingtonhomewares.co.uk) in Oxford recommends buying a starter kit. "They retail around £25. These are the basics, but as with all hobbies you then have the scope to develop your brewing to fit your own tastes."
Matthew Hicks from the Oxford Brewers Group goes onto talk about the boom in home brewing. "Many people start off wanting to brew cheap beer," Soon they become interested in the recipes and designing beers. Those people are members of the Oxford Brewers Group.
To join, visit www.oxfordbrewers.com. They meet once a month at the Lamb & Flag in St. Giles. It is free to join and they accept anyone interested in making great beer.


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This Blog focuses on Ancestor Stories, both the stories themselves about my family's ancestors and discussions of where they come from and how to prepare and share them. These stories may be non-fiction or fiction – we will always tell which is which, of course. Also see my KINNICK blog and The HOMEPLACE Series Blog, left sidebar, scroll down.
Wednesday, November 9, 2011
Wordless (Nearly) Wednesday - Orrin and Maxine (Smith) Hilgenberg
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Wow! They look so sweet together...seventy five years...wow!ReplyDelete
Happy early Anniversary!
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Thanks for sharing! My goal is for my husband and me to make our 75th anniversary. We're not even half way there yet, but I always figure that we should set our goals high. It's wonderful motivation to see a couple that is almost there.ReplyDelete
I concur. 75 is a good goal. We are at 52 +. My Mother's Brother, Leo and his wife, Ida, were married 17 Oct 1937... so they are approaching 75, as well. Good gene, both sides of my family! ;-) Thanks for the comments! ;-)ReplyDelete


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Rhode Island law enforcement agencies that participated in an investigation that resulted in Google Inc. forfeiting $500 million last year will receive $230 million of that money, federal officials said Monday.
Google forfeited the sum last August to settle a U.S. government investigation into its distribution of online ads from Canadian pharmacies illegally selling prescription drugs to American consumers. The investigation found that Google allowed Canadian pharmacies that illegally imported drugs into the United States to advertise on its AdWords platform.
The $500 million sum represents the gross revenues Google collected in ad buys from hundreds of Canadian pharmacies, plus the earnings generated from the illegal drug sales to American consumers from 2003 to 2009, federal officials have said.
'I am extremely pleased that of the $500 million dollars forfeited by Google, $230 million will be distributed to five state and local agencies that contributed investigators to the legal team headed by my office,'' U.S. Attorney Peter F. Neronha said in a statement. ``It is my hope and expectation that these monies will be used for the benefit of all Rhode Islanders, by enhancing our overall ability to fight crime and keeping our residents safe.''
East Providence police, North Providence police and the attorney general's office will each receive $60 million, Neronha said. State police will receive $45 million and the Rhode Island National Guard will receive $5 million. The shares are based on the time and resources each agency provided to the investigation, according to Neronha's office.
And $100 million will be shared by four federal agencies that participated in the probe, officials said. The U.S. Postal Service is receiving $40 million and the U.S. Internal Revenue Service is getting $35 million. The U.S. Secret Service is receiving $15 million and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is getting $10 million.
The remaining $170 million is being deposited into the Department of Justice's Assets Forfeiture Fund, a national account used to pay expenses from forfeiture operations, including seizing property. The fund can also be used to pay for some general investigatory expenses.
The funds will be distributed to the local and state agencies after they submit spending plans, officials said. There are rules in place governing how the money can be used. Law enforcement investigations, training and equipment are among the items that can be paid for with the funds.
For the most part, the funds cannot be used to pay salaries, although there are exceptions, according to a government guide on the program. The funds are subject to auditing and other monitoring, officials said.
Google did not immediately respond to a request for comment Monday.
The Mountain View-based company has said it is no longer letting Canadian online pharmacies advertise to U.S. consumers and should not have allowed the ads in the first place. Google has also said it has taken steps to prevent shady operators from advertising on the Internet search engine, including suing advertisers who were running scams and suing rogue pharmacies that were trying to circumvent company policies and verification procedures.
Rhode Island to Get $230M From Google
Google forfeited the money to settle a government investigation into its distribution of online ads from Canadian pharmacies that were illegally selling prescription drugs to American consumers.
Rhode Island law enforcement agencies that participated in an investigation that resulted in Google Inc. forfeiting $500 million last year will receive $230 million of that money, federal officials said Monday.


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A midfielder from Surrey, BC, Liam Fraser joined Whitecaps FC Residency in Sept. 2011 after being part of the club's Prospects program and representing Western Canada at youth level.
Fraser was a member of Whitecaps FC Prospects, where he trained under Residency staff coach Bart Choufour. With the U-12 Prospects, the midfielder was part of a successful trip to the
Netherlands in the summer of 2008. He was also part of the U-13 Prospects squad.
The Surrey, BC, product started his soccer career close to home with Peace Arch Soccer Club before appearing for Delta Youth Soccer Association Selects and Surrey Guildford United. In 2010, Fraser travelled to South Africa with the Western Canadian U-12 squad for the prestigious Danone Nations Cup tournament. The midfielder has also had the experience of playing in England and Scotland.
Fraser attended Morgan Elementary School in his hometown of Surrey, BC, for six years, while he spent three years at Laurelwoods Elementary School in Orangeville, Ontario. The midfielder now attends Southridge School in Surrey, BC.
A fan of the English Premier League, Fraser follows Manchester United FC and Stoke City FC. His favourite player is Barcelona and Argentina star Lionel Messi, while he hopes to play at Manchester United's Old Trafford home one day. Outside of soccer, the midfielder enjoys spending his time with friends and swimming. One of his favourite foods is pasta with chicken.


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With the United States' budget projected to hit a $418 billion shortfall by 2015 and a $1.3 trillion shortfall by 2030, the New York Times knows something has to be done. So they made a game.
The Budget Puzzle: You Fix the Budget allows you to get rid of that nasty deficit by clicking on check boxes that do everything from eliminating farm subsidies and reducing the number of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, to bumping Medicare eligibility to 70 and reducing the federal workforce.
The best part? Those button clicks come guilt-free in this game. No need to worry about geriatric protests, a flare-up of violence in the Middle East or doctors fleeing to private practice that refuses Medicare patients. It's guilt-free.
Last week's budget game also includes an entire package aimed at discussing the country's budget woes, called Room For Debate.
Budget Puzzle: You Fix the Budget [The New York Times]


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Poetry/Essays/Literature 122 pages
How do we live our lives as poets?
In these three critical essays, plus an afterword, Michael Gottlieb addresses issues faced by us all, even if we are not poets or artists. Michael Gottlieb is the author of nineteen books including most recently, I Had Every Intention, Dear All, and Memoir and Essay, the authoritative recounting of the early days of the Language school. He was one of the editors of Roof, the foundational 1970s and 80s poetry magazine. A number of his works have been adopted for the stage, including his definitive 9/11 poem, The Dust, hailed by Ron Silliman as one of the "five greatest Language poems." The Dust was stages by fiona Templeton and company at the Poetry Project at St. Marks on the tenth anniversary of 9/11.
Learn what it is to be a poet, what it takes, in order to grasp and live in the art and the life. One essential need is listening. For Gottlieb, "I am still at least somewhat capable of taking the first step when it comes to doing what we do as poets, that is: listening."
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Cover image hand painted by Cynthia Miller. Books are hand sewn with red linen thread. Cover printing is letterpress, with Gloucester Std Old Style and Garamond types.
Luscious, glimmering poems of life, desire, vision, and imagination.
Cacophony of Bells: the Origin of Disquiet
for Pessoa
Fernando, the self you see reflected
in the liquor in your glass is not
your self. He follows you, though,
commenting on the silences you resume.
Can you blame him if he emerges
sometimes, holding your hand while you
hold the pen? Lover of ink, he is
in love with your blood.
What he doesn't see when he looks
back at you is like the sound of breaking
glass, sliver of bells crackling
between your teeth.
He will consume you, Fernando: do not
look at him.
Lizard, by Sarah Rosenthal
80 pages
Published 2016
In Lizard, Rosenthal explores the creaturely membranes that lie between the known-social and the unknown-social. When racified nations, nationified peoples, and "self-evident" identities of every make threaten to squash the efflorescence of Life's lusty reach toward the stars, Lizard is born and scampers about. But Rosenthal's sense of Fable eschews morals and maxims in favor of claiming a terrain from which the Para-Human can come into being. Slowly, tentatively, and then brashly, Lizard begins to obverse the world (while keenly observed herself). The resulting Kabbalistic strokes are as patently hilarious as they are intelligently perplexing. This is bone instructive poetry. I love it. — Rodrigo Toscano
Letterpress Covers on lovely pink papers, printed in two colors. Each book with an individually painted image by Cynthia Miller.
Text of book printed in two colors. Each copy hand numbered. 7 inches x 10 inches. 28 pages. Bound via hand sewing into pink paper covers with French flaps.
Poems are from an ongoing collaboration by Ted Greenwald and Charles Bernstein in which one author sends the other a few lines, and the next responds, until they decide the poem is finished. First poem of SHORT COURSE is "Breaking News," which begins
Day turns paragraph
Proxy comma sighs
Medical meadow A
Séance in triple meter
Dull determination hedge
On silicone arrivals
If you or loved one
Without you and no they
No this magneto
Tango goes by code name
Divine pairings: tea & . . .
Mango presto chaser (to go)
All in all, the book is an inventive and experimental delight of language playing in the fields of the mind, and vice versa.
Published in April 2016, hand sewn by Charles Alexander (the book designer) and students at UHV Center for the Arts, where Charles Bernstein visited on April 28 and 29, 2016.
Poetry. ISBN 978-1-946104-00-7. 104 pages. $17 US.
Control and beauty, composition and precision: like one who looks through a pinhole camera and from that vantage notes and examines the unexpected, the near, the never seen before, Gaspar Orozco, a poet, almost an entomologist, almost a Buddhist monk, brings to the eyes, tongue and ears of the attentive reader wisps of a reality, a hyperreality, that flickers for a moment and then is gone. Poet of lucid verse, of contrasts and tensions, Autocinema confirms his status as that rarest of rare birds, an idiosyncratic and powerful voice amidst the crowded flock of contemporary Mexican poets. —Rocío Cerón
We see movies and become them, and then they begin another, transformed existence. The art of filmmaking has engendered a counter-art of which Gaspar Orozco shows himself a master: the making of a movie by a mind become camera, deep in the realm of the unfilmable and almost unsayable. A sunken screen image—it might be from Melies or Vigo, Wong Kar-wai or Edgardo Cozarinsky—undergoes a sea-change into a spectacle for an inner screening room. —Geoffrey O'Brien
Entangled Bank, by James Sherry.
Poetry. ISBN 978-0-9862640-8-5. 90 pages. Published November 1, 2016.
Entangled Bank opens with a set of five line poems dedicated to the "beauty" of various poets, a nuanced and generous version of Joseph Kaplan's infamous Kill List, and concludes with a wrenchingly honest prose piece on Sherry's correspondence with the late poet Stacy Doris on the limits of empathy. Between these gestures towards a troubled yet significant human connection, Sherry places poems in a variety of styles, as if styles were species in an ecosystem, a veritable "entangled bank." Often he writes with scathing wit on the degradation of the environment and the fraudulence of the financial system. One line admonishes, "Wake up, this is about you." And it is. You're going to want it. — Rae Armantrout
Taking his theme from Darwin's "entangled bank," James Sherry pries open present life on the planet to reveal a tangled flow of vegetation, money, politics, beauty, selves, distributed networks, fish, nation states, death and friendship. "Couching nature as bundles and linkages," he does not side-step the perils of hybridity but dives in head first: "Tamales of Sparta rolled global." A dazzling display of formal invention leads up to an intimate, brutally candid chronicle of friendship and illness that is as clear-headed as it is passionate. And how can you not love a poem called "Memoir" that begins, "Dawn again / Fuck!" — Kit Robinson
Unbeauty will take you about as far as you can throw it, appeasing no one and nothing, all for good measure. James Sherry does not beware of entangling alliances, he foments them. — Charles Bernstein
Arrive on Wave: Collected Poems, by Gil Ott, edited by Trace Peterson, Gregory Laynor, & Eli Goldblatt
Poetry: 330 pages
published Nov 1, 2016
Foreword by Eli Goldblatt
Introduction by Trace Peterson
Afterword by Charles Alexander
Alas, here are poems that serve as evidence we had among us a spirit of a man whose fertile generosity was not limited to his literary and arts activism, but very much the warp and woof of his art and intellect. Gil Ott's poetry aims to disintegrate powers of meaning while simultaneously presages radical possibilities of thought and speech which reflect the full-range of his restorative vision.
— Major Jackson
Gil Ott has always been this gigantic presence in poetry to me. For a while I thought maybe it was because he was one of the first real poets I met as a teenager. But it is actually because he is a real poet, an absolute poet, always kept in the present tense no matter how far away his body we knew has become. To garner and sustain the favor of the Muse is a skill apparent in this extraordinary book. If you believe in the strength of poetry, in poems as heat-seeking missiles capable of intercepting a bleak disregard for life then here is a gigantic poetry to smother the worst!
— CAConrad
An Intermittent Music 1975-2010, by Ted Pearson
ISBN 9780986264092. Poetry. $24.
O! learn to read what silent love hath writ:
To hear with eyes belongs to love's fine wit.
— Shakespeare
An Intermittent Music luxuriously shows us the capaciousness of Ted Pearson's work—surprising, perhaps, given what may have appeared to be a minimalist tack. We see that Pearson's has always been a long game, no matter the exacting finesse of its close negotiations. The poems obey an abiding fidelity to the intervallic sway whereby capacity does indeed accrue, one suture, one synapse, at a time. This is desert island work, to be savored and to be returned to again and again.
— Nathaniel Mackey
Over the course of thirty-five years, Ted Pearson has been incrementally publishing a masterpiece, present here before us at last within the covers of this book as An Intermittent Music. He describes it as "a serial work comprising eighteen books in four movements," and it is therefore possible to situate it alongside key serial works by poets like Jack Spicer, George Oppen, Robert Creeley, Leslie Scalapino, and Barrett Watten. As is true of work by all of these (otherwise very different) poets, the parts of An Intermittent Music resonate within an evolving dialectic, intentionally avoiding a final chord. Writing poetry that is intensely bound to both song and intellect, Pearson has been ever alert to matter in its infinite detail, to social as well as erotic desire, to liminal identities, and to the circulating systems of idiom and opinion that construct the social spaces we inhabit. This magnificent work begins almost plaintively, building to the great crescendo of its end. An Intermittent Music tracks Pearson's ever-expanding attention to the ever-increasing associative complex that is lived experience. By the end of the book, the music is impossible and the music is everywhere, generating exquisite, ubiquitous suspense. This is a book to read avidly and over and over again.
— Lyn Hejinian
Dark Ladies, by Steve McCaffery
246 pages
Published 2016
Dark Ladies is an explosive meditation on death and laughter cast as both a Menippean masque and a user's guide to the tragi-comic. Mixing erudition with illogicality and vaudeville vulgarity it pays homage to Shakespeare by both erasure and incorporation. Preserving the end rhymes of all 154 of his sonnets, in mirror-reverse order, and embedding stage directions from his comedic and tragic plays, it offers a grotesque repurposing of the bard's great themes. Published to coincide with Shakespeare's 400th anniversary, written in large part during the epoch of George W. Bush and dedicated to the dead and dying on a continuing basis, it advances a truly pataphysical vision of a haunting question. If death is the real solution to life, is laughter the imaginary solution to death?


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I picked up a few desk drawers off the side of the road about a week ago, and they were in great condition! I've been working on a few projects with them, and this is the first one I finished.
We've had bunk beds for about 6 months, and my oldest daughter is on the top bunk. She likes to have water, and books, and other little things up there with her - but they've never had a place to live. She just keeps them tucked into the corners of the bed, or under her pillow :)
When I saw this drawer, I was excited to make it into a little shelf to hang up by her bed!
I painted the inside walls with a bright color acrylic paint that matches her room. I used masking tape to create clean lines on the outer edge. I let her pick out scrapbook paper for the back, and after cutting it to the correct size, used spray adhesive to adhere it.
If you look at the very first picture you'll see the D-ring hangers I attached to the drawer. They hang on screws in the wall - and it feels pretty secure up there.
I LOVE repurposing things - and this little drawer looks so cute up there! Now there is a place for all my daughter's little treasures...and she doesn't have to sleep on them :)


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Family and friends can push the wrong buttons. They know you, and even after years of therapy, they can send the most emotionally stable holiday celebrant into a tailspin.
Here are a few tips from DCCCD experts about how to add some peace to your holidays.
1. Remember, Less Is More
Slow down. Smell the flowers. You don't have to attend every family event, run to every sale or purchase gifts for everyone who buys for you, human behavior experts say.
"The holidays have become an all-too-familiar hustle and bustle," said Johnny Castro, a faculty member who specializes in family studies and human development at Brookhaven College. "Take a stance against overdoing and overspending during the holidays. I tell people all the time that less is more."
Castro sees holidays as a great time to see family and friends — but not all during the rush of the season. Sending regrets is not a social blunder. "You can't make every event, and you shouldn't," Castro said. "Avoid the hype. Don't create an environment of overstimulation."
Children come with their own set of unrealistic expectations. Oftentimes, their toys are not toys but "blow-up-the-budget" electronics, Castro observed.
"Take a stance against 'more is more,'" he said. "It is important to make and stick to a holiday budget because all of those December sales will become bills in January."
2. Care for Those in Need
In addition to monitoring children, keep tabs on the elderly. Castro suggests checking for signs of fatigue and stress in older adults. Sometimes a short walk or a quick nap is in order.
For people who are already overspent, overwrought and overindulged, experts suggest a self-imposed "time out" for the entire family, including children.
3. Prioritize Needs over Wants
Children are grand manipulators. They know how to get what they want. But parents have the power to set limits, Castro said.
"If they have one or two really good gifts, that's probably enough," Castro said. "Parents feel the need to want to buy all of these things. A 2-year-old getting a phone is probably something you need to hold off on."
Instead, parents should concentrate on a child's needs. Usually, one or two items are sufficient.
"Parents feel validated if they buy something the child really needs," Castro said. "Children get bored easily. Whatever gift you buy, they end up playing with the box. It's really easy to get into the trap of buying what's popular rather than what the child needs or is interested in."
4. Embrace Loss
The holidays also can be difficult for people who have lost family members during the year. Expecting a perfect holiday is especially trying for those who have lost loved ones, said Steve Carter, who teaches human behavior and psychology at El Centro College.
"Sometimes it's hard to move completely away from a loss, so embrace the memories and share them," Carter said. "And know that extended sadness may be a sign of seasonal depression."
Castro suggests writing down a pleasant memory on a piece of colored paper, wrap ribbon around it and share that memory on Christmas or New Years. Seek out professional help during profound periods of sadness. "Don't suffer in silence," Carter added.
5. Find Health Outlets
We can focus on other activities as we celebrate the holidays, Carter added. Volunteering is a healthy outlet that can make the holidays special. "If you find yourself lonely, often the most important gift you can give is caring," Carter said. "Volunteer opportunities abound. Find one that's meaningful to you, and make helping a tradition. You may find yourself happier after giving your time."
Alcohol should be limited to an acceptable amount because drinking does not make holidays less stressful. Instead, it magnifies problems, Carter said.
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Costa Rican International Scores in 91+' & 95+' to Draw RSL Even with L.A. Galaxy atop MLS Standings;
Opponent Still up in the Air for Upcoming Western Conference Semifinal Series
COMMERCE CITY, Colo. (Saturday, October 23, 2010) – Real Salt Lake saw its hopes for a first-ever MLS Supporters' Shield title stay alive tonight at Dick's Sporting Goods Park thanks to some late-game heroics by FW Álvaro Saborío, his brace in second half stoppage time salvaging a 2-2 draw for the defending MLS Cup champs.
With tonight's crucial standings point, Real Salt Lake (15-4-11, 56 pts.) once again drew even with the Los Angeles Galaxy for the League's top overall spot, meaning an FC Dallas win tomorrow evening over the Galaxy at The Home Depot Center (6:00 p.m. MT kickoff) would give the Utah side the regular season Supporters' Shield crown courtesy of the second tie-breaker of overall goal differential (teams are even on first, head-to-head points tie-breaker).
Another unknown heading into tomorrow's ultimate contest of the MLS regular season in Carson, Calif., is who Real Salt Lake will square off against in its upcoming Western Conference Semifinal Series that will kick off the 2010 MLS Cup Playoffs. A Galaxy loss tomorrow evening would give RSL the #1 seed and set up a marquee match-up against #4 Seattle Sounders FC, while a Galaxy win or draw puts RSL in with the #2 seed, thereby opening its title defense with another tough draw against #3 FC Dallas. The only thing about the series that is known is that Real Salt Lake will host the second leg of the series at Rio Tinto Stadium on Saturday, November 6 (time TBA); the date and time of Leg 1 of the series will be announced by Real Salt Lake and MLS on Sunday evening following the Galaxy-FC Dallas showdown.
Colorado would shoot out of the gates in tonight's contest, and it took just 16 minutes for Rapids FW Omar Cummings to move the scoreboard, his one-touch redirect off a cross from the left by DF Anthony Wallace putting the home side up early. Not to be outdone by his strike-mate, FW Conor Casey added one of his own six minutes after the halftime break, his close-range header off a DF Kosuke Kimura cross seemingly wrapping up the result for the Rapids, especially as the half wore on and the visitors began to run out of time.
Despite struggling through one of its more disjointed efforts of the season, Real Salt Lake would be rewarded for playing the full 90 minutes thanks to the hustle of Saborío, who blocked GK Matt Pickens' clearance at the beginning of stoppage time, the ball bouncing off the striker and then the crossbar before the Costa Rican slammed home the rebound to give the road side hope. Two minutes later, DF Jamison Olave was hauled down in the area by Rapids MF Brian Mullan as he tried to reach MF Javier Morales' free kick as it looped towards the penalty spot. That's where referee Ricardo Salazar pointed, and Saborío would make no mistake from there, placing his shot inside the right post and past Pickens to send the hundreds of Claret-and-Cobalt supporters in attendance into frenzy.
Real Salt Lake Match Notes
- Tonight's draw kept a pair of streaks alive for Real Salt Lake, most notably the club-record 14-match undefeated streak in League play (6-0-8) the Utah side began with a 1-1 draw with Chivas USA back on July 24 at Rio Tinto Stadium (previous loss was 0-2 defeat at FC Dallas on July 17). Thanks to tonight's last-second tie, Real Salt Lake responded to a 1-3-1 start to the campaign by closing with just a single loss across its final 25 contests (14-1-10).
- Also continuing tonight was RSL's grip on the Rocky Mountain Cup, with the pair of draws in this year's home-and-away series allowing Real Salt Lake to claim the trophy for its supporters for a fourth straight year, this marking the third-year of retention following an even series after the Utahans won it outright for the first time in 2007.
- Despite the rare pair of goals given up, Real Salt Lake still easily managed to finish the campaign with the best defensive effort in MLS regular season history, its 20 goals allowed besting the 2007 Houston Dynamo's record of 23. Tonight marked only the second time in RSL's last 26 contests in which it had allowed multiple goals (5th time this season).
- A large part of that record was due to RSL's stout defensive play on the road, its 13 away goals allowed falling just one shy of equaling the MLS record of 12 set by D.C. United during its 2005 campaign.
- In addition to those League-wide records, Real Salt Lake also bested or evened numerous club records in 2010, finishing the season with 56 points (previous best of 40 in 2008 & 2009), 15 wins (11 in 2009), a +25 goal differential (+8 in 2009), 45 goals scored (tied w/ 45 from the 32-game season in 2006), 1.50 goals per game (1.43 in 2009), 15 shutouts (10 in 2009), 19 road points (15 in 2006), and a +1 road goal differential (-8 in 2006).
- With his 11th and 12th goals of the regular season, Álvaro Saborío not only easily wrapped up RSL's 2010 Golden Boot award, but he also tied Robbie Findley's 2009 campaign as the second-most prolific goal-scoring regular season by an RSL player, trailing only Jeff Cunningham's 16-goal haul in 2006. The Costa Rican striker now has 18 goals in 32 appearances across all competitions for Real Salt Lake in 2010 (6 in CONCACAF Champions League play).
- The 2010 regular season campaign for GK Nick Rimando will not only go down as the greatest of his stellar 11-year MLS career, but one of the best in MLS history. The All-Star netminder's 18 goals allowed in 27 League appearances this season gave him a 0.67 GAA, which smashed the previous single-season high of 0.82 set by Houston GK Pat Onstad in 2007; however, FC Dallas 'keeper Kevin Hartman could reset the mark tomorrow, as he carries a 0.62 GAA into the Hoops' season finale at Los Angeles. Rimando's 14 clean sheets were also the second most in an MLS season, behind only Tony Meola's 16 shutouts for the Kansas City Wizards in 2000, while RSL's 15 total shutouts ranked behind only the 2000 Wizards' 17 clean sheets
On ending of game and penalty kick…
"You have to believe. I think when a defender has both of his arms around a player, and it is quite visible to everyone on the bench and is visible to everyone on the field as well, it is a foul. I give credit to the referee for calling what was clearly a penalty kick. He could have just as easily said that it was too late in the game and not make the call. We have had some wild finishes against us. There have been some situations when we have had that lead sometimes in this season. We were up by two goals in the 75th minute and the lead went back and forth between the 75th and the 90th minute. There all types of hectic happenings in this game."
On game…
"I thought that we started out the game pretty brightly. We moved the ball pretty well and got into the attacking third with relative and ease and created a few half chances here and there. I was concerned because I felt that our defensive effort was not there. We have recognized all season long that the way we try to play is very difficult. It takes an extreme amount of work, concentration, focus and if we are not quite there, if we are half a yard off, we will be punished for it. Credit to Colorado, as they did that.
"I was looking at the game towards the end of the match thinking that this was exactly what we needed. To take the loss, but then we come out and get a draw. That feels good too. As long as our guys take the responsibility and accountability for the fact that we knew that that was not good enough. That was an unbelievably emotional affair for us and those guys put a lot energy in there tonight."
On game…
"I don't believe that we came out with enough energy tonight. They came out to battle. They played well in the midfield, we lost the ball a lot. Throughout the entire game in parts of the field we were sharp. It was easily one of our worse performances of the year. I don't believe anyone is happy with it. Of course we got the tie, which I feel very fortunate about. They are a good team and I don't believe that we responded very well to what they did to us and we have some things to work on this week. We have come three years in a row now and not played well."
On Omar Cummings' goal…
"It was a tough one, because Omar and Conor made a couple good runs in the box. The service was good from Anthony Wallace. We could have defended the cross better and also we need to stay with our marks in the box. I don't think that we did that well enough. The ball came to the most dangerous striker in the league at this time, and he punished us for it."
On the game…
"In a competitive game in the final seconds of what has been a very good display by our group the referee finds a foul to be given when probably on 9 out of 10 occasions on corner kicks or free kicks there is a lot of bodily contact. All I can say is there was a lot of contact in the box, there's going to be considering it is the 95th minute; it's the last free kick of the game- there's going to be. Now unless Brian has done something completely outrageous, which I can't image, I find it a bit bizarre. The catalyst for their comeback was a freak goal. I told Matt (Pickens) that will never happen again in his career. All in all for 90 minutes we were not only the better team but I thought by a country mile. Anything that was created, we created. I thought we showed passion and determination and creativeness all rolled into one. But these games are 90 minutes plus and you have to be on your guard for however long it lasts. Today we paid the ultimate price for that."
On the game's ending…
"Everything was going according to order, perfectly. Matt (Pickens) made a mistake but oh well. I don't know what else we could have done. It's not about how we played or what we didn't do; it's more like a physiological thing. Those guys believe they can come back. That's why they have been playing good and won last year. They have that confidence. They know if they push it a little more they can get it."
On the foul the resulted in the PK…
"I got elbowed right before the kick. It kind of shocked me. I just locked him (Kyle Beckerman) up. He just ran over me- fell down."
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As I receive a plethora of comments for my posts about Ron Paul I have noticed a theme to the ones that talk about affirmative action. Somehow people are equating affirmative action with some sort of hand out or some sort of mandated free job system for all these unqualified opportunistic blacks who don't deserve to have them. Now I personally equate these comments to racist mindsets. I feel this is due to the fact that if they didn't already feel that blacks were unworthy of the jobs that they do receive.
Now what exactly makes these people think that the blacks are getting jobs that they aren't qualified for? I have never nor has anyone I know ever been able to fall into a job that they were not qualified for. This is just more racist thinking that many have and refuse to acknowledge as such. I have repeatedly asked these people to explain why these blacks are unqualified or how and where these jobs were gotten.
With the thinking that no blacks are ever qualified this is contrary to the truth. Blacks getting jobs usually have to be twice as qualified as the next person in order to get the jobs they are going for, affirmative action or not. Just like one commenter said, blacks have to work twice as hard to prove to whites that they are worthy. I have to laugh that people are so quick to judge all blacks as unqualified even though they don't know the qualifications of just a hand full of any particular blacks.
So from what they are saying, blacks just want a handout, that we should be shamed to be given something for nothing. When did trying to get a job become wanting a handout? Is it a handout when white people are applying for a job, of course not because it is accepted that they would be qualified for any job they apply for. Yet they turn right around and tell me of the racist nature of affirmative action.
When has anyone ever talked about the affirmative action that whites receive? All the while blacks were kept from the workforce due to Jim Crow and other racist programs aimed at preserving white domination in the workforce. Why are they not complaining about all the white women who are benefiting even more from affirmative action than any black person?
We have been led to believe that all the while whites have benefited from their own brand of affirmative action it is somehow now a problem when there is a program aimed at someone other than white males. We as blacks should somehow be ashamed that someone was trying to come up with something, anything that would even the playing field between white males and minorities even though it is woefully inadequate.
I understand that people feel that this is nothing more than a handout that disenfranchises white males. Because we all know that white males have such a hard time finding jobs in this white male dominated marketplace. By all accounts if affirmative action is this big job handout program there really shouldn't be any unemployed black who have applied for more than one job. Since if the jobs are being handed out the first one they applied for would be theirs no questions asked. Yet we know full well that blacks or over represented on the unemployment lines.
Should we believe this is due to the fact that blacks somehow don't want jobs? Even these free handout jobs that they don't even have to be qualified for. I suppose that I should just clear the air and let people know that the Eddie Murphy movie Trading Places was a joke. Black homeless people really aren't being snatched off the streets and thrown into the lap of luxury running a stock brokerage firm. Yet this is what comes to mind when some people talk about how blacks are receiving these handouts in the form of employment. Or the fact that they are saying that blacks are not qualified yet they got the job at the expense of a more qualified white man.
Affirmative action is a catchall phrase referring to laws, customs, and social policies intended to alleviate the types of discrimination that limit opportunities for a variety of demographic groups in various social institutions. And for us to believe that these laws, customs and social policies are hurting people you would have to first believe that the playing field for all people is an even one. Yet if you believe that then you would need to explain a whole slew of other problems facing our society. Such as blacks only earn 78% of what whites earn, blacks are still under represented in all facets of corporate America and black unemployment is more than double that of white unemployment.
These discrepancies between blacks and whites are just the tip of the iceberg. There are tons of other "documented" differences that can't be explained away with blacks just don't want to do better etc. A person named Ana who replied to my Blog once said "what group? white people are not a 'group' that has some special, common interest. white people are individuals whose foremost concerns is their own good and the good of their families and friends – not the good of other white people."
This is exactly my point if every white person is doing what Ana said, whites are looking out for the concerns of their friends and families who happen to be white like them. This is the epitome of the white privilege or white affirmative action of which I speak. And for Ana to say this is showing her protection of the white group and how they do come together to protect the group Yet a black person having affirmative action which is a suggestion of sorts that if they are most qualified for a position they will not be passed over merely for the color of their skin. But the facts show that this so called suggestion has no real teeth. Blacks are constantly passed over and this is due to the ingrained thinking that most whites have that blacks are unqualified, unworthy and thus undeserving of whatever employment they are seeking.


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Duan Yu has the powerful skill of 6MSJ. With 6MSJ what will the results be when he fight: GJ? YG? XF? DFBB? DGKB? GWM? ZWJ? Z3F?
Duan Yu has the powerful skill of 6MSJ. With 6MSJ what will the results be when he fight: GJ? YG? XF? DFBB? DGKB? GWM? ZWJ? Z3F?
The answer is pretty obvious. If DY has full mastery of 6MSJ, then he can literally whip any of the people mentioned above. However, for the time in DSGS, DY is still too inexperienced and weak. DY sometimes even has trouble executing this technique out correctly.Originally Posted by TommyH
XF thought to himself that even himself can't block this 6MSJ and he also understands Ah Zhu's worries.
However, for the 6MSJ to be executed correctly, DY had to recieve pointers from XF of how to use it.
So at that moment? No. In the future? Yes.
So that basically says 6MSJ is the "most" powerful technique in the world of JY?Originally Posted by Whsie
Well...., that is a slightly controversial. 6MSJ is without doubt the best sword kung fu.Originally Posted by TommyH
Provided he can aim and shoot accurately, Deun Yu would defeat all of the named opponents. He's got the closest thing in wuxia to a gun...a laser gun at that.
An invisible laser gun! Ken when you say concentrated/focused palm blasts/energy attacks do you mean something like DY's 6MSJ?Originally Posted by Ken Cheng
Somewhat, yes.Originally Posted by TommyH
I see. Do you agree that energy is invisible? Did Jin Yong ever say that palm blasts are invisible? I still find it hard to imagine an invisible shooting sword.Originally Posted by Ken Cheng
Remember that the fight at Shaolin was probably DY's first real fight, he didn't know how to use 6MSJ properly, the way he was fighting, it was even worse than only using 1 sword at a time. He was switching between swords haphazardly and there were many holes in his defense but Murong Fu was unable to make any meaningful attack on him simply because 6MSJ is incredible.
Later on DY sucked Jiumozhi who is about equal to XF, and while DY had a load of inner power before, getting the power of JMZ is still pretty significant and after one has enough Beiming Zhenqi many things become easier.
I've _heard_ that near the end of DGSD DY got taught martial arts by his uncle or Elder Kurong, but I don't remember any such thing actually happening.
Well, no. I don't think Jin Yong ever said the blast energy was invisible, but since he described only the blasts' *effects* and never anything like those CGI laser beams in adaptations, I'm left to assume that the energy itself was not visible to the human eye (only the energy's effects).Originally Posted by TommyH
DY would be running around using LBWB blasting holes through all these guys easily.
Yes, If he really mastered 6MSJ and Treading Waves Lightness kung fu, he would be pretty much unstoppable.Originally Posted by The_One
忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」
Ever seen how Mace Windu countered Jango Fett's laser blaster shots in Star Wars?
The 6MSJ is one of the best martial arts in JY's canon but it's not invincible. Most JY characters won't be able to defeat the 6MSJ but what about the Sweeper? DGQB? Z3F? Ah Ching?
Should Z3F be classed very much higher than ZWJ??? the latter is in possession of his 2 best skills after all...Originally Posted by IcyFox
havent come up with a good one yet..
Yes. I explained why in the link in my signature. Visit it for details.Originally Posted by danshu_
Icy Fox... I and probably everyone else have read your link in your signature already...... and i disagree with you.Originally Posted by IcyFox
havent come up with a good one yet..
If I'm not mistaken, 6MSJ can do slashing move. So, I don't think aiming accurately is a must. It's more like a long sword than a laser gun.Originally Posted by Ken Cheng
什麼是朋友?朋友永遠是在你犯下不可原諒錯誤的時候,仍舊站在你那邊的笨蛋。~ 王亞瑟
和諧唔係一百個人講同一番話,係一百個人有一百句唔同嘅說話,而又互相尊重 ~ - 葉梓恩
yep, its not a gun, thats tv stuff.Originally Posted by kidd
havent come up with a good one yet..
Does he use one hand or both hands (alternatively or together)?
And why is it better to stick with one mai (sword characteristic)? Would that change if he get more experienced?
Even if DY doesnt use 6MSJ, DY can run around them with treading waves and touch them all over until he find the right spot for BMSG.
in ROCH, when yideng fought against JLFW, his finger blast were translated as 'finger fires'. duan yu's 6MDS should be both slashing and stabbing movements. at the highest level, he should be able to unleash all six types of 'swords' similtaneously, but the level of power needed for that is unknown. at the end of DGSD, DY was on par with XuZhuin grace and movements. it was mentioned he had been practising his family's inner power and kung fu and refined the inner power he received from JMZ even futher and {suggested} he had mastered his skills completely. most probably he had learned the skills he hadn't learned before like yiyang zhi and duan swordplay. his uncle taught him the skills he didn't know before handing the crown to him.{it was in the adaption but not sure if that scence was in the novel}
6MDS is an inner power kung fu that creates sword chi. the sword chi is like an energy aura in the shape of a long blade, capable of cutting and shattering enemies and weaons alike. it can't be seen by the naked eye but the wind it 'cuts' makes noise and the radiating energy can be felt before the 'sword' hits you.
YG could probably equal 6MDS with heavy sword, when he was at 'after creating sad palms' level.
he's the strongest in history but he's the disciple.


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Yeah, yeah...we know that Boomer Wells had one more night of glory, going five innings for the 6-2 win against the Mets last night.
And we know that he legged out a bunt for a single and scored. Good for him.
We've made our feelings about Boomer pretty clear. His self-proclamation as a "scumbag" seems particularly apt to us.
So let's just see what Scummy can pull off in his next start, when he hasn't had three weeks rest, and doesn't have a national audience watching.