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"there you are." the words spoken by amd as it hands intel the future of x86 computing. intel's reply: "we knew you'd come around. just a matter of time, really."
i have been thinking about the amd/intel situation and how much it has changed in the past 12 months. a year ago we were expecting hammer by the end of the year. a year ago amd was on track for hammer while producing athlon xps that competed admirably with northwood p4s (albeit somewhat less than with willamette p4s). a year ago the future seemed bright for amd, and the possibility of x86-64 becoming mainstream was almost a certainty. a year later and oh, how the mighty hath fallen.
i'll say it simply: amd has handed intel the future of x86 computing. without performance numbers nearly doubling that of a comparably priced pentium 4, amd is finished as a top-end competitor to intel. it'll be pushed back to an extremely distant second place, and will likely hold less than 5% of the global marketshare in the years to come.
as much as i hate to admit it (as i still believe very strongly in amd's business and product goals), i have to. i am forced to. the situation reveals itself to us all, and that's exactly what it's saying. why, you ask? because the performance is no longer there. the price advantage is no longer there. and the product association amd enjoyed through 2001 and into early 2002 as "better than the price would indicate performance" is also no longer there.
amd is now known as a company that delays and stalls and releases paper products, and when it finally does release new products they don't perform as well as expected. it's such a change from the athlon xp image of old, and it's such a shame because amd really had a good thing going. it's done the athlon xp line a great disservice. so much so that i personally believe the recent k7 products should've been given a different name.
unbeknownst to most all of us (and to amd also, i'd wager), it now seems that amd and intel worked together throughout 2001 and 2002 to put an end to their x86 business. they did it by bringing out faster and faster products at lower and lower prices, and did so at an unsustainable rate. in early 2001 a 1ghz processor sold for around us$1.00 per mhz. today it's around us$0.20 per mhz–more than double the performance at around half the price. that curve could not be continued forever, and it seems now that only the biggest boy on the block (intel) will be able to weather the storm by continuing to release faster and faster products in a timely manner.
i see no way for amd to regain its previous position based on its current roadmap. the company's products have been delayed for too long to be high-end performers when they finally hit the store windows. when they are released they will be moderate- to low-performers relative to the fastest p4 of the day, but with one plus: 64-bit ability. and, unless something changes dramatically, it is unlikely there will be much need for the average user to go out and get a 64-bit computer. the average user doesn't need that much addressing space or that much computing power. and since the price:performance ratio will no longer be there, what will be the point? average users will go to dell or gateway and buy the $599 special with a celeron 1.8ghz processor and be done with it.
the only way i can see amd regaining their previous position is if it is delaying hammer right now to re-engineer the core to include some ability or feature that will allow the company to produce a product come september which provides 1.5x (or greater) performance relative to the pentium 4 of the day. without that kind of powerful, high-end product, i feel amd will be stuck forever in second place with more than a 90% marketshare between itself and intel.
in closing i'll leave you with a home-made joke written by yours truly. it is a sad bit of commentary on the state of affairs at amd and is admittedly not too funny … but it is proving to be very accurate. be sure to tell it to your friends. how many amd engineers does it take to build a hammer? more than amd has on staff today. :(
user comments 278 comment(s)
|please don't comment here (12:21pm est mon feb 24 2003)
follow to post your comments.
thank you.
– by rick c. hodgin
|you got it (12:26pm est mon feb 24 2003)
i won't post any comments here. – by clueless
|please don't comment here (12:32pm est mon feb 24 2003)
what why not comment here?
we need amd, as i believe both are needed to keep things fresh, acelerating and both are need to help keep prices down. competition is a good thing. i like intel as much as amd truth be known i buy amd because they perform well and most of all i want competition to be their. i always tell friends intel is good and so is amd i give them a nudge towards amd though..lol now that intel is using ddr memory they are all the better for it.
– by amd fan
|sorry (12:35pm est mon feb 24 2003)
im sorry for posting a comment here – by ilovepostingcomments
|me too (12:38pm est mon feb 24 2003)
but it was a mistake, really it was just – by accident
|my opinion! (1:28pm est mon feb 24 2003)
sorry couldn't resist…… – by aceman
|yer full of sh%t! (1:41pm est mon feb 24 2003)
give me a break!
i guess they should do like intel and produce a half assed peice of shit then buy out crappy sites like yers and pretend they rule
oh yeah, theres a plan, sounds like rambus methodology! – by garbage sites
|hmm.. (2:27pm est mon feb 24 2003)
– by html
|another monopoly (5:25pm est mon feb 24 2003)
one way to abuse a monopoly, or create one, is to price your competitors out of the market, while both of you lose money.
that's illegal… unless you can configure your books to show a paper profit of some kind. i'd love to see a really good forensic look at intel's accounting for the last couple years. – by itsfiddled
|unsubstantiated (10:28pm est mon feb 24 2003)
but close – by gosh
|had to (1:37am est tue feb 25 2003)
sorry…that "don't post here" is like a big red button with a sign that says don't touch. – by misomex
|lol (7:46am est tue feb 25 2003)
all the captin's come out to sink with the ship.
– by daved
|its all about money (8:18am est tue feb 25 2003)
generally speaking, even thou intel has %90 of the market, all things considering, thats the lowest they have had since 1996, also running costs of intel must be more than the total industry, i think intel is going to either win, or crash and burn, and amd will take over. – by mezza
|um yeah what he said (9:41am est tue feb 25 2003)
"i think intel is either going to win, or crash and burn, and amd will take over"
… lol where you actually going to say anything that a two year old couldn't tell you thats like saying i will live or die today what other option is there
– by lmao
|rip amd (9:42am est tue feb 25 2003)
here lies amd.
maybe some marketing would have helped. – by blakeops
|amd rules!!!!! (9:55am est tue feb 25 2003)
muahhhh ha ha ha ha…..
intel fanboys go back home to your mommy….
time to meet the grown up amd – by amd
|amusing (9:58am est tue feb 25 2003)
i'm sure this article did what it was intended to do. get people to click on this site. some interesting points, but leaving out major information. such as the fact that microsoft is currently backing x86-64. and while intel is a huge company, if microsoft puts out a 64-bit version of xp and markets the power of 64-bit computing, then amd can just sit back and watch the hammer sell itself. so, we will see how things go. :-) – by dosomo
|heh. (9:59am est tue feb 25 2003)
funniest damn thing i've read today, thanks for the laugh. – by neco
|it ain't over (10:13am est tue feb 25 2003)
till the fat lady sings.
amd still has some life left in them. even though i'm very dissapointed at amd for marking ther barton 3000+ will lacking the performace to beet their own 2800+ thurobread in most test, i still think that without amd we wouldn't have the cpu's at their current performance and price, from both amd and intell. also amd still has other parts to it outside cpu's. 30% of income for amd is their flash memory producs, so amd will not die.
as long as it last to keep intel's prices in line. i'll solute amd for at least that.
the hummer will have good performace, from what i see. will it be enough? don't know.. i really really hope so.
in the article its stated that 64-bit computing for the average user will not be needed, but don't forget that they acount for maybe half of computer industry. the rest is us geeks/nerds and businesses. and for me, 64-bit persision for cg animation, programming is a definate want. would i get 64-bit x86 compatible. of course, and any sane person that wants the best and backwards compatibilaty will do too. or do you want intels useless itanum that is overprised, and underpowerd. and no x86 it is your personal decision. i don't care what you gona get, i just know that i'm gona go hammer, as i don't want to be left behind :d – by prodeous
|2 comments… (10:42am est tue feb 25 2003)
firstly, why have a section for comments on your(?) site and then say dont post comments…
and i have to mention that prodeous has the worst writing comprehension skills ever. – by 1st time reader
|don't post where? (10:46am est tue feb 25 2003)
hmmm – by algernon
|lol (10:57am est tue feb 25 2003)
well i'll have to say, i won't be back to this site. i expect other articles to be along the lines of, "al gore invents the internet, all hail al gore". – by 1st time reader
|how much (11:03am est tue feb 25 2003)
how much did intel pay for this article? – by pat
|wow (11:31am est tue feb 25 2003)
this article is a load of tripe. talk about not putting your money where your mouth is. – by elric
|amd roxors your boxors. (11:31am est tue feb 25 2003)
the only reason intel maintains their lead is because they have a name, all the joe blows and mom and pops out there know the name pentium. it really sux. i can pay about 100 ducks less any day for the same level of performance amd chip. maybe if intel stopped raping us (i know with 90% market share they shouldn't have to charge a much higher price, they do it cuz they're bastards that can do it) maybe i'd go back once in a while. fuxor intel! – by box roxor
|thanks (11:35am est tue feb 25 2003)
tell me again how somebody with any degree of computer savy would purchase a cely 1.8 over a xp1800+? similarily equipped, they're the same price where i live!
intel has some cool products.
i'll buy whichever product i think is best, not whichever company i think is cooler.
you're a geek!! – by n8
|first time reader.. (11:40am est tue feb 25 2003)
i have to say, i work for gamer-insight.com, and by far this article was one of the most far fetched pieces of junk, i have read. although you guys did get your two seconds of fame on our website.. enjoy it, because i don't think i will ever be back. heres a word of advice, get writers that follow the tech industry beyond getting paid by intel. anyone that i offended or upset i am sorry. if you have something to say about my comments, feel free to e-mail me any time firstname.lastname@example.com
– by ~paul "dark" phipps
|hmmm… (11:46am est tue feb 25 2003)
how many have you burned out?
personally i like both companies, but i don't care much about fanboy responses.
and what do you mean by rape? it's our choice to buy the fastest cpu on the market, and thus pay for the research cost needed to develop it. when can easily buy a 1.6, or so for a lot cheaper rather then a 3.06….but it's our fault we want performance.
it works both ways…why do you think amd is tanking? because their chips really don't pay for their r & d – by trent
|heard it before (11:49am est tue feb 25 2003)
people said the same thing about amd when they had the k6-2 and k6-3 and the athlon was delayed. then it came out and everyone all of the sudden loved amd again. doubters like this will be proven again that amd has what it takes and will come out on top of performance again. – by your mama
|garbage (11:57am est tue feb 25 2003)
i haven't used intel since the original celerons. they haven't been able to keep up with amd's performance per mhz. intel are totally over rated. – by offended
|moron… (11:57am est tue feb 25 2003)
wow, this has to be the dumbest fucking article i have ever read.
thank you so much for wasting my time. can you post your address so i can mail you a bill???!!! – by brules
|hmmm again…. (11:59am est tue feb 25 2003)
first of all, none. i've had many amd's and not burned out a single chip.
no fanboy here, just go for the better chip. :)
by rape? i mean the high price intel charges for any comparable chip. your 1.6 you mention costs around $130, i can get a 1600+ xp for about $50. that's rape. and if you want to argue about the slight performance advantage still, or the oc'ing of your precious p4, i can spend that same $130 the p4 costs and get a 2200+ to way outperform. – by box roxor
|this article is moronic (12:06pm est tue feb 25 2003)
but i would like to point out that i had an xp1600 that barely saw 2100 while water cooled, and yet my p4 1.8a runs fine at 2.7 with the stock ari cooler. think about that one. – by bombrman
|to garbage: (12:18pm est tue feb 25 2003)
intel doesn't need to have the same performance per mhz as long as they have a sufficient amount of mhz that the inefficiencies of the p4 per clock can be overcome by sheer number of mhz. and intel does this just fine. – by watermelon
|my comments… (12:23pm est tue feb 25 2003)
this article like amd just horribly lost some kind of victory to intel, and they're now going to go out of business. sheesh! amd hasn't lost a thing.
performance crown? yes. if you want the fastest cpu in existance and don't mind spending over $1k for it, there will always be the high-end p4.
but if you want a decently fast and reliable cpu and don't want to sell your left testicle to pay for it, amd will always be there. compared to intel, you just get more cpu for your money.
if you're building a decent computer on a budget, the athlonxp chip is simply the only way to go right now.
for example, a retail-boxed 1.67ghz athlonxp "2000+" is just $145 cdn from ncix.com, and the retail 1.7ghz p4 from the same vendor (which gets its ass handed to itself by the xp) is $215.
the p4 2000 – on par with the xp in just about everything except content creation where the p4 absolutely owns – is $278 cdn. almost twice the price of the xp.
you can't knock that. – by gee
|3.06 ghz + hyperthreading vs. 512k barton "3000+" (12:31pm est tue feb 25 2003)
both new chips from both amd and intel have a "new" technology as it were. the amd has 512 kb l2 cache (and otherwise is identical to previous cores) and the intel has hyperthreading.
the latter has shown dramatic improvements in performance much more than the previous. it seems to me that based on the "newest" technology amd is losing steam or conserving energy for their 64-bit war.
so it is not too far-fetched to say that amd may be getting egg in its face if it can't pull of a super-performing athlon 64 or some kind of miracle redesign of the current barton core.
i don't think barton is going to be able to out-do the current p4s, even with a higher fsb… i am afraid only time will tell, but if amd fumbles it may cost them dearly.
of course i hope amd hangs in there, it is always healthy to have competition. but currently intel looks to be the leader without a doubt. – by – targetpractice
|i just wasted 10 minutes of my day.. (12:40pm est tue feb 25 2003)
that i will never get back. next time, don't except money to write moronic articles that make people not want to read your web-page anymore. it might be a quick buck, but now most of these people will never come back.. so you lost in the long run anyways. – by billy
|*laugh* (12:49pm est tue feb 25 2003)
it looks like we were picked up by some pro-amd site. perhaps if you people read what i wrote you'd understand my position.
i like amd. i believe in amd's products. but, their actions are demonstrating a particular attitude toward their customer base. and unless they're onto something rather large, they're missing the mark.
if anyone cares to debate that point, have at it. i'll listen respectfully and reply when necessary.
– by rick c. hodgin
|ah-ha! (12:55pm est tue feb 25 2003)
hardocp has linked us. interesting.
– by rick c. hodgin
|bork (12:56pm est tue feb 25 2003)
bork – by bork
|linus disagrees (12:58pm est tue feb 25 2003)
linus torvalds, itanium "threw out all the good parts of the x86"
ia64 falls flat
by arron rouse: monday 24 february 2003, 19:58
linux creator and industry guru linus torvalds has been holding forth on the state of processor architecture on the linux kernel archive. in words that intel are likely to be far from happy with, the finnish luminary has stuck the boot into itanium. only just falling short of calling the processor itanic, his responses to some questions on processor architecture are sure to be music to amd's ears. – by anonymous cow
|blablabla (1:08pm est tue feb 25 2003)
if you're stupid enough to think that amd is going to win the cpu competition, you'd better hide into the cupboard. of course they won't if p4 keeps on clocking higher and higher.
but i guess they're gonna have the best ratio performance/price again (as usual)and this is the only way they will manage to outperform the p4 -) – by grrrrrrrrrrr !!!!!
|illiteracy? (1:09pm est tue feb 25 2003)
billy, it took you 10 minutes to read this? couldn't your lips move fast enough? – by ft
|but i wanna post comments here (1:11pm est tue feb 25 2003)
so…, the average user doesn't need the computing power provided by a 64-bit desktop cpu, but at the same time they won't buy one because the overpriced p4 is even faster?
don't ever assume that people will not be able to use the power of their desktop chips – just a couple years ago i couldn't possibly imagine having 512mb of ram in my desktop, let alone a full gb.
athlon64 may well do very poorly on launch, but i'm not even going to try and guess at what i'll want to run on one of them a year from now, which will be when the chip has started to mature a bit and the initial bugs are worked out of it and it's platforms (chipsets/mb's/os's) – by cova
|i disagree (1:15pm est tue feb 25 2003)
amd's 64-bit/32-bit cpus are the smartest move in the industry. that allows amd's cpus to be more compatible with older software which will be in corporations best interest. – by ejs
|the amd situation (1:37pm est tue feb 25 2003)
this article was well written, but nothing we havnt heard before. i recall back to a time in which intel had released its first 1 ghz processor, everyone figured that amd was dead in the water, but being the ever constant underdog amd held to its course and ross to meet intel head on. currently amd is working very diligently on getting out faster processor around the board. the thing we all must remember is that even though intel is out doing amd with thier processors, the amd processors are far better quality and much more efficiant.
reason i say this is that if you put an intel at 2ghz next to the amd 2400+(2ghz) the amd will out preform is by at least 150%. i do agree however that the 64 bit technology that they are working on is a bit extreme, but that is only because amd is known for making leaps in technology and not slowly growing to the level like intel.
sure amd can continue to pump out more bartons and thouroughbreds with higher and high ghz but what's the point in investing money on that technology when they can see the next best thing stairing them right in the face: 64-bit.
amd will reach the glory of 64bit first, with intel slowly getting to its level, and by the time intel has gotten thier 64 bit issue worked out, amd will already have the means to make it more cost efficiantly, much as they did in the early days of the t-birds.
so for all you non-believes i say shame on you. oh how the mighty hath fallen indeed, purhaps the writer of this particular peice needs to step back and take a look at the full picture and just see where he stands (or falls) in this work of ignorance.
the things i could say in regards to this article would truely double the number of posts that have already made it here, so i shall refrain from doing so and leave you with on final though.
how much money would you have lost of the years in computers if not for amd? – by hardwareman
|amd vs. intel (2:00pm est tue feb 25 2003)
i hope people realize that a monopoly by intel can only hurt the industry. competition drives the market to advance faster and make more business mistakes(3dfx,nvidia…) but without sufficient competition we will be forced to buy chips/os's that require "patches and updates and service packs". all you intel fanboys should be cheering for the competition so you don't have to pay for a chip that will require a bank load to purchase. how much do you think a p4 would cost if the only comp was an apple? – by lone gunmen
|go to school….. (2:04pm est tue feb 25 2003)
and learn a little more a about economics, market demand, etc. you article is way off base. you are obviously an amd fanboy that is very dissappointed with the current state of things. i can sympathize with you, but don't go overboard in your assumption of the future.
first of all, barton was not supposed to be some end all be all king of processors. there was even talk of it never making it to the market. but amd found itself needing a filler until the hammer could be produced at an acceptable yield. secondly, based on the athlon's optimized cache structure, it was not a surprise to see that doubling the cache didn't help it too much. however, the important part is that amd is right up there nipping the heals of intel right now. the 3000+ chip does pretty well against the 3.06ghz p4.
i think you said it all when you said intel and amd drove the x86 business "at an unsustainable rate." even intel will have a difficult time this year. they don't have the ability to keep things going at the same pace. hammer will probably be the most spectacular thing happening to processors this year. and with the backing amd has, i don't see stopping amd from taking some market share from intel in the most profitable sector. the opteron will give amd exactly what it needs. a presence in the high-end server market.
as far as your obsession with amd releasing a product that is at least 1.5x the performance of a p4 i have to ask why you think this is so important? yes, we were all excited thinking things were going to happen that way, and yes we are all dissapointed in the delay of the hammer but it's not essential. amd has steadily gained market share from intel by continually making a product that sometimes wins, sometimes looses, but is always right at the heels of intel for a cheaper price. this dynamic is bound to change as amd gets more mature, but i don't see enough of a change to say that amd is done. amd has moved to a pricing structure that makes more sense economically. keep the lower end (high-volume) processors at a lower price than intel (by far) to attract volume oem and white box sales. keep the high-end enthusiast processors at a higher price to bring in a little r&d profit. while this means our processor prices are closer to intels than they have been before, we still save money over intel.
regarding 64 bit computing, does the average user need it? probably not, but does the average user need a 3ghz pc? no. it's all about perceived value. people will flock to an amd based 64 bit desktop because it sounds better. i think we can even thank the game console industry for driving that into our heads. "64 bit is better than 32 bit." the average consumer will not know the difference. since we don't need it now does it mean those pcs are never gonna utilize it? no. often times the hardware preceeds the software. software developers often write for hardware that is already in the market. this means that as more 64 bit desktops exist, more developers will begin to write code that uses it. what programs you ask? who knows, there are always new and exciting things happening that we never imagined before.
i'm not sure why i wasted my time reading this article, and even more responding. maybe it's cuz we're iced in here in dallas. hopefully rick, you'll learn something in all of this. if anything, don't write a doomsday article because things aren't going the way you expected them to.
don't take my word for it, i love the quote above from linus torvalds who i think we all hold some respect for. and just look at some of the backers of the hammer. these are large companies that don't sway too easily. opteron will be giving intel a run for their money in the high-end server market for sure.
2 comments for trent:
in what way is amd currently tanking?
comment for targetpractice:
|amd vs intel (2:37pm est tue feb 25 2003)
all i can say is someone is a fanboy :- – by intermitten soul
|amd just cant make cores (2:40pm est tue feb 25 2003)
my i ask you all when was the last time amd made a core themselfs and not bought it?
thier 286, 386, were the exact same as intels. back in the day ibm made intel give the "blueprints" away to 3rd party companies as ibm didn not fully trust intel could provided a cpu for ibm's pc's
now thinkall the way back to the k5. that was the ast time amd made thier own cpu. and we all rember how bad it stunk.
k6 was a nextgen core. amd just bought nextgen out and sold thier core under the amd name.
k7, amd bough a bunch of alpha engineers and made an x86 alpha if you will running on the alpha's eve7 bus. amd didt really make the k7 core either….
now k8 core, amd has to make all on thier own… almost 2 years after the inital roadmaps said it should be out, no cpu. i am not the least be suprised.
dont get me wrong i like amd. i think they are good for the market, and make ok products. just saying i am not suprised about the no hammer thing. – by jay
|=) yes, (2:47pm est tue feb 25 2003)
if that comment is pointed at me, i admit it. however, i have no far-fetched ideas of the futre ending in amd (or intel) winning some sort of race. this is a battle for the long haul. both amd and intel will be around for a while and neither will just drop out and die. while i root for the underdog (who you have to admit has made a superior product in many ways) i also know that intel is a major powerhouse and has done much for the industry as a whole. but you have to respect the technology behind an athlon….the only response intel has had any luck w/ is ramping up the speed very quickly. quantity vs. efficiency.
i respect both for the different contributions they have made. i just personally prefer a) bigger bang for my buck and b) the underdog. – by geckotek
|oh boy…. (2:48pm est tue feb 25 2003)
this is about the 3rd time i've read an article from this site. i now see that intel owns this site, and, thus, its credibility matches that of "tom's hardware guide." which to any enthusiust is ziltch.
not just is the site dead to me now, but the article was not informative at all, instead it was an argument for intel vs amd. next time an article is posted i suggest the editor includes some facts and omit some opinions.
the author didn't even mention the fact that 30% of amd's revenue is from flash memory – not cpus! also, amd has contracts with crane supercomputers while intel does not. amd has industrial-wide support (minus hp who helps intel develop itainium) for its x86-64 platform. intel does not have that backing. only time will tell though.
i'm not an amd or intel fanboy, but unless you are an intel fanboy, you can see that this article is nothing but an arguement of amd vs. intel with intel declared the winner, any half-brained monkey can write an article stating his opinions. – by dextrous
|no hammer? (2:50pm est tue feb 25 2003)
a delay does not = "no hammer."
it will be here and you will bow to it…..yes….you will bow.
=p – by hehe
|oh yeah…. (2:53pm est tue feb 25 2003)
i forgot to mention the fallacy in your statement about amd not having a bigger bang for the buck anymore. the author specifically mentioned a 1.8 ghz celeron system.
a quick look at pricewatch.com shows us that a 1.8ghz celeron costs $69. an athlon 2000+ costs $70. who is the winner? amd by a very large margin. that 2000+ can outrun a 2.5ghz celeron. any enthusiust knows this.
geek.com needs to do some research before they post opinions labeled as facts. – by dextrous
|looks like hp…… (2:58pm est tue feb 25 2003)
is the only friend intel has in the 64 bit world. so sad.
– by me again!
|oh boy. (3:08pm est tue feb 25 2003)
every king has it's day on the top of the hill. when he's knocked down, he fights like hell to get back up.
anybody who's been in the market for years surley should have noticed that no one manufacturer has been the best for ever.
a few quick examples. asus hasn't always been on top of the board market, but for the time they are, then somebody is going to come up and knock them off the top.
when it happens, is that going to be the end of asus? hell no!!!
soyo was a great board, then they took a dump, but now they're climbing back to the top. they haven't made it there yet, but it wouldn't suprise me if they did.
the same for amd. they in some people's opinions have become second on the list. depending on what functions you are trying to do, that may be the case.
it seems some in here are using big words that they themselves don't understand, so let's simplify it.
just like a car, you buy a full size truck to haul stuff around, but a freaking corvette if you want speed. the corvette isn't going to do shit for you if you need to haul a few tons of pipe, does it make it a piece of shit so let's scrap it, hell no, it's a bad ass car.
it's 10 times harder to improve your product when you're on the top, you have nothing to compare it to. but when somebody out does you, you have a lot to compare to and improve on.
mark my words, amd is going no where but back to the top where nobody will question who's the best. will they stay there? no they won't.
– by eztt
|one more thing (3:35pm est tue feb 25 2003)
another reason i'm pro amd is their tech support and rma departments.
i've dealt with intel and amd's return centers at least once a week for years now.
the folks at intel have been nothing but a giant headache. they've gone as far as to have me boot up a machine with the same mhz processor. it wasn't good enough that my test processor (which happened to be a larger mhz made the machine post).
i'm a freaking technician, if i say it's bad, it's bad, no need for me to waste my time troubleshooting over the phone with a so called tech who's most likely using a flow chart.
now as for amd, their rma department is heaven sent. i call in, tell them what's wrong, what specs my bench test system had and boom, an rma number is issued. i've even had fans that went out sent directly to my customers with tee-shirts included in the box. hows that for keeping customers happy.
ever see that from intel? i haven't.
customer service goes a long way with me.
go amd!!! – by eztt
|geckotek (3:54pm est tue feb 25 2003)
i don't know if you'll read this response or not, but here goes.
"…are obviously an amd fanboy that is very dissappointed with the current state of things…"
i respect and admire amd's business goals. hector ruiz is on the record stating beliefs for his company that are nearly parallel with my own and very much in contrast with the industry standard viewpoint. i have high regard for amd and i hope that what i wrote above is not true.
however, the facts lead me there. everything i've seen from amd in the past several months leads me there. they are not producing at a pace commensurate with intel.
when originally announced, their x86 architecture was going to be released at the end of 2001. it was quickly changed to sometime in 2002. now it's been pushed back to the end of 2003 for the desktop parts.
amd has had serious problems producing hammer. their financial position has not helped them any. the resulting delays are going to cost them severely.
you don't read our site regularly so you wouldn't know this. i have a theory regarding what's happened to amd and the hammer. it goes like this: several months ago amd was on track for a q4'02 hammer launch. they were manufacturing hammers hand over fist, so many in fact that it hurt their high-end athlon xp production. i'd spoken with an amd employee who told me he'd seen crate after crate of hammers ready to go, 10s of thousands of them. but, just as amd was about ready to launch them someone discovered a flaw in the chip/design/package/whatever. all of those manufactured products had to be scrapped.
the problem was corrected and amd was able to once again begin manufacturing hammers. but, in the meantime they had to take a huge loss for their loss of inventory. so, how did they do it? layoffs and "restructuring charges" were brought into existence to hide the loss they would've otherwise had to endure. it was the only way they could save face in the public eye for what would undoubtedly be millions and millions in losses due to the scrapped hammers.
the end result of that hammer problem: no high-end athlon xp availability over the previous several months, a paper release of axp 2800+ and an additional delay in bringing out barton.
amd had expected to have hammer out by now, that's why they didn't need barton. but, when the hammer flaw was discovered they had to act fast and change their plans, which brings us to where we are today.
amd has all of its x86-cpu related eggs in hammer. without a totally flawless and high-performance launch, they will never regain their previous credibility and they will "be finished" in the x86-cpu industry.
– by rick c. hodgin
|other theory (3:59pm est tue feb 25 2003)
if someone has an alternate theory, please post it. the piece above and the comment above are my personal beliefs on the subject.
i do have facts to back them up and they do point to what i've seen. others may choose to look at the facts in a different way, but that doesn't change the fact that my article is an opinion piece based on those facts.
i am totally open to debate or criticism. if anyone wants to post something intelligent on the subject, i'll be happy to respond.
i'm open to other people's positions, but they'd better have a solid base as to why they exist the way they do. i do and i can defend my position. i'd like those who post to be able to do the same.
– by rick c. hodgin
|amd's prob is in partners (4:04pm est tue feb 25 2003)
amd's real problem is in its partnering. take dell for instance who is a major intel partner. most businesses look for companies like dell to get all their computing needs from and those companies are the majority of the market. the homebrew diyers like us are not a big enough group to make a dent in even the home/small office portion of dells sales. having worked for a schools tech dept i know that we would have gladly bought amd products if just offered w/ by someone w/ the rep and support such as dell. instead we had to go for the celerons :-(. so until amd gets the partnering it desperately needs its will remain in its current predicament. – by loser
|!?! (4:21pm est tue feb 25 2003)
eztt so what ur basicly saying is that ur pro amd because they have a food costumer support ? hell cyrix support might be even better try it out.
i doubt that amd will bow anytime soon, allthough it seems as if they are putting it all on 64bit, may it rise or fall, if it is going to be a hit (wich i doubt) intel will for sure release a similar product right afterwards sending amd down to beeing the underdog again, but, what if it is going to be a pos? then amd have been wasting alot of time, making a average processor and doing paper realeses, not exactly what i would call good marketing.
this seems like a last somewhat desperate shot from amd to get to the top, however, i dont see intel planing on producing any 64bit desktop chips, and if it was worth it, they would be making them for sure.
meanwhile, intel just realesed ht to the p4, are coming with a 800mhz fsb chip in a few months, as long as springdale and canterwood are coming out (yes the amd does have dual ddr boards and no they arent using the bandwidth near as good as the p4)
price vs performance ? the price difference on equal performing processors are minimal, i mean if u choose what to buy because its 10$ cheaper u really should reconsider how much a fast computer does mean to u.
some people are saying that amd are better because they perform better on slower mhz, well using some brain activity would sow u that when buying a p4 u pay alot less per mhz than u do when buying a amd, and the argument just shows a great lack of beeing serious.
ht is here, 800mhz is just around the corner, so are canterwood and springdale, and prescott arent to far away, so what does amd have to show ? paper realeses and 64bit talk.
sad that so many amd fanboys are blinded because of a lower cost chip wich performs bad in every day use.
the funny thing, i am an amd owner, but luckily im not blind or in love with the processor in my computer as so many of the geeks who are posting here.
– by shane
|losers (5:16pm est tue feb 25 2003)
resistance is futile. you must assimilate. fanboy – by amd sux
|forget pc, go mac (5:25pm est tue feb 25 2003)
just to heat this flame war up a bit more.
ditch the pcs, and go to macintosh. i've been building my own computers from scratch since the days of the 486 (ahh, my old 486dx2 66 with 16mb of ram), i've never used a computer that was as awesome as my macs.
i now have a dual 867mhz g4 with 768mb ram in it, and a 800mhz ibook with 640mb in it. i'll never go back. – by steve jobs
|alternate theory (5:41pm est tue feb 25 2003)
we all know market share for the most part is based on how fast a cpu sounds over how fast it really is. i can see amd touting "why would you want to buy an old 32-bit cou when you can have 64 bit power" as game consoles were once guaged by their "bits", i think that will be a big selling point in mad favour. people will believe it must be twice as fast and will probably be more future proof. of course complete 64bit support will not be a quick switch, so hammer had better be danm fast with 32bit code or the hardware geeks will still not buy it. speculation will only go so far and i know amd are not a bunch of quitters. time will tell…. – by jon
|shane (5:46pm est tue feb 25 2003)
shane, first of all it was just a bit of an add on from my first post.
of course i'm not going to buy a cyrix because the performance sucks.
but when looking at intel and amd, there's really not that much difference. it's like comparing green and red apples.
of course i'm going to pick the one that has the best after the sell service when the performance is so close.
i am not totally against intel, but i don't think they're that much better than amd. they may be at the moment, and i say maybe, but not forever.
second of all, my first post was about the claims that amd was never going to come back.
that's not true, there has not been one single company that has out performed everybody else in the industry since it started. – by eztt
|hammer (5:59pm est tue feb 25 2003)
hm… any possiblity that hammer is also suffering delays because microsoft server 2003 only supports itanium for 64 bit? server 2003 is coming out in april but doesn't support amd hardware yet. they're "working on it".
at least amd hasn't released a geforce fx fiasco. – by whatever
|just like intel was 'finished' (8:02pm est tue feb 25 2003)
'amd has all of its x86-cpu related eggs in hammer. without a totally flawless and high-performance launch, they will never regain their previous credibility and they will "be finished" in the x86-cpu industry'
remember when intel had the pii flaw and they had to recall release chips? itel was finished then because they released a faulty product, amd's product if what you said is true didn't even make it to market, thus sparing them lots of egg, will you say intel is finished the next time they stumble? – by grokkbokker
|zzzzzzzzzzzz (8:32pm est tue feb 25 2003)
i must be bored, i read it all. meh!
still, i regard amd as a good company and i would definatly buy their products in future.
|hi mom ! (8:54pm est tue feb 25 2003)
look, im on internet!!!! – by som
|omg (9:14pm est tue feb 25 2003)
this is the worst case analysis i have ever read. this article places itself between a poorly written tabloid and a foreign porn flick from russia. my god this is by far the most biased article i have ever read, i suggest the writer goes back to journalism school and actually shows up to classes. (if they went to one in the first place. this absolutly the biggest trash i have ever read, and i pitty the [hardocp] of ever making a link to this article and this site. i guess – by www.geektrash.com
|piss (9:32pm est tue feb 25 2003)
all you are just mad because intel is whipping amd's ass. note i am not totally aginst amd but at least admit that amd is loseing look at the facts. you do not have to agree on which one is better just accept that intel is getting an edge on amd. – by nasty magician
|macs (1:04am est wed feb 26 2003)
quote:"i now have a dual 867mhz g4 with 768mb ram in it, and a 800mhz ibook with 640mb in it. i'll never go back"
macs are the "aol" of computers. they're fine for people that don't know anything about computers. this guy with who i work with is so much into macs. he talks macs, sleeps macs, probably wet dreams macs too. lol. he doesn't even know the difference between usb 1.1 and 2.0. don't get me wrong, macs are fine, just go in your corner with it and let me do the real work over here ok?
ps. you better make sure that you didn't get one of those dual-processor macs, where the macos only supports 1. can't believe jobs actually sold these computers, poor idiots probably went home braggin' about having 2 procs. lol – by lol
|intel is better (1:11am est wed feb 26 2003)
intel cpu vs. amd cpu
very overclockable limited results
runs way cooler heat always issue
price lower: price higher:
fsb 800-1000mhz fsb 333-500mhz
an intel box is an investment with performance amd could never satisfy.
|gutter reporting! (1:17am est wed feb 26 2003)
no. i'm no amd fanboy (never owned one, but follow development with interest). but this article stinks to high heaven just like some of intel's anti-competitive attempts @ stifling fair competition.
attempts to condemn amd business model happened during initial athlon release. history repeating itself?
all intel's attempts @ oppressing competitors have failed so they now attemp to hurt amd and others via their pocket. amd are right to delay till market is right to pay decent price for their technology. why release when the result would torpedo your core business?
look how long it took intel to gain acceptance for piv. their previous strength with piii worked against them. piii proving faster @ similar clock speeds costing far less (rambus et al). athlon has served amd well. only requiring minor tweaks along the way with little initial chipset support. via & nvidia aside. amd will prevail through greater 3rd party support.
intel fear fair competition hence via & nvidia will not get license for piv platforms else they marginalise their chipset business.
attempts to do same in vga arena failed with 740 chipset. having moved market from pci to agp we have pci express( sounds to me like socket7 to slot1 back to socket all over again).
he who blinks fails. amd should hold nerve till they have sure thing and not repeat xbox fiasco.
but then that's just my view. – by overlord
|macs are not the aol of the computer world (1:48am est wed feb 26 2003)
i know a great deal about hardware. i know a guite a bit about pc hardware and software. i've worked in the it field as a field technician, a jr. network administrator, technical document writer, and doing corporate support before i left the it field because i was utterly bored by it. i still have a few pcs, and i have them setup as a small (4 node) linux cluster running freebsd for running simulations on. one machine is setup for dual boot with windows 2000 for playing counter strike on.
i prefer my macs, because my macs lets me get my work done a lot more seamlessly than any pc i have ever used. i'll keep using my pcs for what pcs are good at: cheap number crunching, and i'll keep my macs for what they're good at: just about everything else.
and yes, i'm using os x v10.2.4, and it works just fine with it's dual processors. – by os x owns you
|this site is geek literally!! (3:06am est wed feb 26 2003)
your article is nothing but bull !! no content, no arguements, no numbers and comparisons to prove your claims. – by rick c. hodgin
|oh, good lord. (5:48am est wed feb 26 2003)
when a site starts allowing tripe like this, its time for people to move on.
i'm an intel user – and stock owner – that likes my machine. i'm also an amd user – but not stock owner – that likes my machine. i don't come from one "camp" or the other… but i certainly know bullshit when i see it.
good heavens. all it takes is an apples to apples comparison of the current chips to see the differences are pert near negligble. today is hardly any different than the past few years of amd vs intel: they have *always* been within 10% of each other since the athlon came on the market. nothing has changed. and the future? lol. i'll wait for it to arrive before i comment on it, thank you very much. lol.
this was perhaps the worst article i've ever seen on any tech site. that its getting a lot of hits doesn't suprise me in the least: crap like this is what sells junk mags every day.
i won't be visiting geek.com anymore: there's no way i could trust anything from here again, now knowing the bizzare crap that is encouraged from here. – by jeff sargeant
|nice article (7:28am est wed feb 26 2003)
well i have just read the article……..and all the post under it and its taken me 30 mins or so. at the end of it all i find my self quite happy, i do not feel that i have wasted 30 mins of my life.
as for the content of the article, i find it a valid point of view….as are most of the comments under it. you can search the web and find many articles to read on many subjects…some you may even agree with, but as long as they hold your interest long enough for you to read them then they have done there job.
my opinion………anything is possible….a few years go who would have thought that 3dfx would have gone under……maybe nvidia is starting on that spiral down to extinction..(proberbly not)…but anything is possible.
|pretty bad when… (10:09am est wed feb 26 2003)
it's pretty bad when the best part of the article is actually contained below it.
some interesting points made in the article, but pretty much all shot to crap as soon as one applies logic to them.
some great opinions here – keeping my hopes alive that one day i'll be able to afford a 64-bit system on my desk. :) – by jeremy
|future of computing (11:11am est wed feb 26 2003)
things have been looking pretty good for intel as of late but the future might not be all smiles and cotton candy. amd is not to be underestimated on the 64-bit front seeing as a few semi-influencial people around the industry love the idea and can't wait to get thier hands on it. sun is aimed at stealing a chunk of the server market with its h-series. this could be a real thorn for intel.
a few tid-bits came my way about apple and nvidia working together (maybe a chipset with dual ddr support).
all these small things might make the brass at intel think twice about ditching valuable allies (via, sis,..) and pissing off cusumers with too many incompatabilities (sockets, ram) withing thier lines.
i am not a fan of any of the mentioned company's themselves but i do take a huge disliking to business practices that try and alienate the consumers. intel should be glad they have some partners that put up with alot of thier practices. tisk tisk intel.
here's to hoping that the competition continues and that everyone gets to prosper a little. :-)
– by lone gunmen
|please, learn a little before you mouth off (11:40am est wed feb 26 2003)
first off, i'm not a fanatic of either side. i support both. however, i'm currently poor, and cannot afford high-end processors, so i go with the most cost-effective midrange line, which is the athlon xp line. my current cpu is a 1700+ thoroughbred b.
i think the article makes some good points, and does well at calling us amd fans to stop, and take a look at where we're at. however, i also think the predictions are grossly exaggerated, but exaggeration is often necessary to drive home the seriousness of your point.
nevertheless, in the mid-range trenches, where the real battle is being fought amd still has a clear edge, as pointed out by "gee". the p4 2.0ghz costs nearly twice as much as the 2000+. but i think "loser" really hit the nail on the head, when he mentioned partners. clearly, the significant portions of consumer marketshare are in the mass oem sellers. amd desperately needs a reliable partner, and hp/compaq having amd cpus as an option does not qualify.
"osama dancing" – you make all sorts of invalid, unsubstantiated claims in your post. the athlon xp thoroughbred core runs just as cool as any intel processor. and the b revision of this core can be extremely overclockable. for instance my 1700+ is a tbred b. stock speed is 1.47ghz. i'm running mine at 2.3ghz, which would rate at about 2950+. i could go even higher if i unlocked the multipliers above 12.5x. and temperatures? i have very accurate hardware probes for measuring temperatures (to hell with motherboard probes) and my cpu runs at about 39 degrees celcius at idle – and it's completely air-cooled. oh, and did i mention i paid just $49.99 for this cpu?
and to "lol" who knows nothing about macs: maybe you should try using a mac yourself before you go spouting ridiculous claims about them being the "aol of the computer world". macs don't outperform pcs in all aspects, but they do have their niches where they excel. they're not for everyone, but for some they're the perfect machine. no, if you want "the aol of the computer world" you need to be looking at companies like dell, hp/compaq, gateway, etc.
it all boils down to a lesson i had to learn the hard way: an unfounded bias against certain companies hurts no one but yourself.
want to argue with me? come find me at … but be prepared to watch your language… – by endobioticchaos
|fette's vette (12:09pm est wed feb 26 2003)
amd beating intel to usable 64bit cpus matters.
i am a fan of good cpus for a decent price. since the release of the socket a athlon, there has been no competition in that respect. my $160 2400+ cpu oc'd to 2.3ghz with no extravagant cooling is just about as fast as any high end p4 for hundreds less. even without overclocking, it's a comparative bargain. until intel beats amd on a price/performance point, i'm not buying their hardware. simple. – by pro/engineer
|go back to math class! (2:23pm est wed feb 26 2003)
"in early 2001 a 1ghz processor sold for around us$1.00 per mhz. today it's around us$0.20 per mhz–more than double the performance at around half the price."
a 1 gig cpu did not cost 1000$ a few years ago and they most certainly do not cost 200$ now, which by the way is 1/5th of 1000…not "around half". – by zlash
|zlash… (3:31pm est wed feb 26 2003)
i guess u just started using computers a couple onf months ago – by twism
|zlash… (3:31pm est wed feb 26 2003)
i guess u just started using computers a couple of months ago – by twism
|zlash (4:24pm est wed feb 26 2003)
it's simple:
* note: i estimated $1.00 per mhz because you could often buy them on the street for less.
today the cost is about $0.20 per mhz. this is based on a 3.06 ghz p4 selling for $589. 589 / 3066 = $0.192, or roughly $0.20.
more than double the performance (3.06 ghz p4 is more than 2x the performer of a 1.0 ghz processor), and around 1/2 the price ($589 compared with $1,000).
it's elementary!
– by rick c. hodgin
|macs are the aol of computers (5:27pm est wed feb 26 2003)
listen, just because you list it and what not here doesn't mean you know anymore than anyone else here.. there is no field in which a mac bests a pc.. price, performance in any sector, you name it. a pc just feels faster, gets the job done better, is more versatile, and outclasses it in price and performance. osx itself is gimped, it is slow to respond, and it is sad that apple couldn't even make their own decent operating system, but instead had to build one off of unix. macs don't even look good. end of story. – by – pcs own macs
|fanboy (5:31pm est wed feb 26 2003)
i used to be a fanboy, until i got my p4 rig. if you really want to be technical, you should realize the good parts of all products, and go for whats best, not because you somehow have some sentimental value for a company… as for the amd has lost its price for performance, i agree with this, for the most part. unless you are talking about purely budget processors (sub 2100+ processors that are now phasing out durons), this is true. look at a 2400+ compared to a 2.4b p4 (this is fair because the pr systems seem to be good). in most cases, the northwood will win performance wise and only costs like 10 dollars more for full retail… just check it out at
both companies make good products, and are very close performance wise.. i would recommend to go with whatever is cheaper. – by -non partisan
|hi (6:44pm est wed feb 26 2003)
hay guys whats goin on in this comment thread – by jimmy
|you guys are funny (7:30pm est wed feb 26 2003)
har har har – by wood ja blowme
|don't forget about the process technology (7:55pm est wed feb 26 2003)
it's less about product than it is about process technology. amd is even further behind intel in this area.
you need winning designs manufacturable on leading edge 300mm/90nm process technologies and you better be simultaneously planning the next steps. amd can no longer ante up the $'s to play with these kinds of stakes. – by jerry
|3.06 ghz + hyperthreading vs. 512k barton "3000+" (8:17pm est wed feb 26 2003)
3.06 ghz + hyperthreading vs. 512k barton "3000+" (12:31pm est tue feb 25 2003)
amd has 512 kb l2 cache (and otherwise is identical to previous cores) and the intel has hyperthreading.
the latter has shown dramatic improvements in performance much more than the previous
dramatic improvements? and what reviews have you been reading?? done any benchmarks? try it somtime—clock for clock. then you'll see who has the improvements—and it's not intel. – by cahartley
|unreal! (8:33pm est wed feb 26 2003)
trusted view of someone who has used opteron – by overlord
|intel only got lucky… (9:11pm est wed feb 26 2003)
at their begining but amd wasted every good oportunity to kick intel's ass except for a period of time with athlon, now it's true that amd has to came with something powerful, completly out of bugs (processor, mother board, chipsets, coolers, etc.) and reasonably cheap if only amd could regain the market confidence with the power of invention it has, intel would be in amd's place in five years or so.
long live amd! – by another amd fan
|amd v intel (9:41pm est wed feb 26 2003)
i had a 2500+ amd and spent over 2000 on a p4 3.06 with 2066 ram. guessd what, my old amd q500+ was fastewr and ran much better. keep your cxrapy intel i am staying with amd, it runs better than intel and i understand the new amd set the highest marks of any processor. so go suck an egg you intel freeks. – by ted
|to the author (10:06pm est wed feb 26 2003)
"when originally announced, their x86 architecture was going to be released at the end of 2001. it was quickly changed to sometime in 2002. now it's been pushed back to the end of 2003 for the desktop parts."
yes but, when have you known amd to release a product that didn't perform well? if they changed the release date, it was because they didn't like the way it was going. amd is no way like intel, am i the only one who remembers when the p4's came out, half of them were recalled? i know i personaly bought two of them that i had to send back to intel, because of a problem in there chip design. has amd done that? product delays happen when you care about your customers.
keep an eye out at i will be posting my theory based on facts not just speculation's very soon.
|paul phipps (10:29pm est wed feb 26 2003)
when you get your posted theory up, drop us a line. we'll put up a link to it.
– by rick c. hodgin
|shipping $ in every box (6:11am est thu feb 27 2003)
amd is bleeding red. look at a finacial statement. someone may buy amd out for the fab space and tech (most likely via or ibm) but their cpu business is over without an act of god.
just remember intel makes money.
look at the road map of both companies. 3.4 ghz with a 800mhz (quad pumped 200mhz) fsb for intel. of course that is before the next die shrink (prescott) comes out late in the year. that with hyperthreading 2 included.
what is the deal with every time someone says some "bad" about amd
– by realist
|jebus rick! (8:42am est thu feb 27 2003)
in regards to the original article,
i thought it an honest and well thought out analysis of amd's current situation.
as far as the comments, there is not a single shred of evidence that any of these people understand the subject with any degree of fluency! most are dead end rants the likes of 15 year olds with barely enough experience in life, let alone the pc industry and their do or die dependence on product cycles to have a coherent opinion.
in reality, the article stands up quite well on its merrits as an anlysis of the issues and even gives a nod to the engeneers at amd in the end.
it's quite interesting, i suppose, and quite revealing to the nature of "boards" of this nature, to see that most of the comments are negative towards you and/or intel, and that none actually agree with the article itself. all arguements shrivel down to the old dollar/mhz debate, if there is one.
i say it is very possible that you are so right about what you are saying, that none of the real educated and seasoned individuals (seasoned in respect to the time they have spent analysing the industry far away from their armchairs) who might frequent this site would have been left with little or no doubt about the subject as to be compeled to post a reply!
in the end, you posted this just to stir up trouble didn't you??? ) – by cheekee
|what's wrong with second place? (10:12am est thu feb 27 2003)
it really does not matter if amd and intel are separated by a large (90%) market share. what's the difference? as long as amd can eek out some semblance of capital somewhere, it's better for consumers. flip it around for a second. assume that, since the introduction of the original athlon, amd took the performance crown, and never let go. it really wouldn't matter. dell computers would still have intel chips in them, your average idiot on the street would still see the intel inside sticker on a computer and buy it based on that alone. you could show them page after page of information of how fast chip x is, and they won't care because they "know" intel.
and i disagree fully with this particular comment:
"when they are released they will be moderate- to low-performers relative to the fastest p4 of the day"
when is this true? every time a new p4 is released, amd has something to basically match it in terms of performance. go read some benchmarks, the 3.06 ht p4 is more or less equal to the 3000+. wins some, ties some, loses some. that's a wash as far as i can see. the same can be said of most previous releases. i don't think having a couple paper releases affected amd at all. they never had consumer confidence to lose not having a released product actually available probably didn't matter much. it seems to me that amd's market right now lies in the enthusiast one who needs to save some money and still get great performance. your average joe probably isn't ever going to buy an athlon, until amd can throw large numbers at them, the move that intel has championed for quite some time. until people scratch the surface, intel will win. and that basically means the battle's already over…. but it doesn't mean amd is just going to tank. it will have its place, providing they continue to manufacture high performing, inexpensive chips compared to the competition. – by savory
|amd is not good at all (2:08pm est thu feb 27 2003)
i know for a fact that amd are going into liquidisation. my dad told me, so it must be true, anyhow i've used intel 66mhz dx/2 before and i could use windows. your all wrong! – by soiled n' smelly
|it's a death spiral at 10% share (4:01pm est thu feb 27 2003)
no, amd cannot survive in the commodity cpu business with only 10% market share. the numbers are stacked well against them based on "economies of scale". they are in a death spiral unless they carve out a very, very specialized niche. but even if they create a unique niche market, they still need a cash cow to absorb some of their capital expendature related costs like plant/equipment depreciation.
in the past they could survive, but today they simply can't keep up with the complexities and capital expenditures required to implement leading edge process technology.
it's not about cpu design as much as it is process technology and amd doesn't even have enough cash to put in place even half a 300 mm fab plant. relying on a silicon foundry arrangements is also not a viable long term option for cpu's.
amd's only hope is a very quick and robust turnaround in the pc market and even if it happens, all it buys them is a little time. – by hecter
|sgi rules (4:02pm est thu feb 27 2003)
my octane and onyx2 could kick all of your pathetic pc asses! – by maya user
|intel doesn't need amd to keep it honest (4:15pm est thu feb 27 2003)
amd isn't needed to keep intel's prices competitive. intel faces a major challenge of it's own which is maintaining double digit growth in the pc market.
the days of the $3000 commodity pc's and $1000 commmodity cpus centered in us and europe are forever dead. intel needs to fuel continued pc growth and it'll have to come from third world markets and the replacement pc market. that need for continued growth will keep intel's prices "honest" more than having amd around. – by andy
|sgis are overpriced and underperforming (4:58pm est thu feb 27 2003)
heh i've used octane and oxygen machines for pro/e and i would throw those out the window in favor of a much cheaper, and better performing windows machine. right now i'm on a 2.7ghz p4 with a quadro4 900xgl, and the o2s and octanes i've used can't even come close to this. hell, my old athlon 1ghz with a gf2u destroyed both in 2000i^2 performance. 2001 isn't much different, i wouldn't expect anything different there. wildfire is much more of a performance hog, but it's good stuff.
anyway, you give intel far too much credit. there is no reason for them to keep prices low in the event that they have no competition. they don't have any reason to fuel anything but their own coffers. – by pro/engineer
|amd me (11:39am est fri feb 28 2003)
whats with all the idiots here that point out that the athlons outperform the p4s in the benchmarks, and then say they are way better then the p4s at the same clock speed. hello! the benchmarks definately show that intel has superior performance. no need to say "well, amd could perform better then intel if they were all shitty". amd is just plain joke. – by uber
|uber me (12:23am est sat mar 01 2003)
lol.ipc vs mhz!
intel trying to head-off cavalry more like with incremental mhz ramps and relentless price reductions. how many more socket/cpu changes are they willing to make? intel's problem is not mhz but what they can do with it. athlon64 will be king in 32bit and entry to 64bit. game over! – by overlord
|cpu not= computer ! (7:47am est sun mar 02 2003)
amd has better support chips, with firewire etc on the motherboard. intel plays catchup in many areas: memory speed & types, graphic controllers, audio, raid, scsi, etc. if only amd had better hardware support for large, heavy heatsinks. but this is becoming unnecessary nowadays. – by greg zeng
|ranting and raving (8:48pm est mon mar 03 2003)
people are constintly saying they have a pentium 4 and it is better and i dont get it. for example i know you can buy a 2.4ghz pentium 4 for 160-200 depending where you buy and i know everyone dosent buy from the cheepest place at pricewatch. the 2100+ for $70-100 i have herd been able to overclock to 2.3-4ghz on air i have mine running 2.2ghz. and if someone with an intel chip can overclock there 2.4 for $170 to 2.7ghz it doesnt look good comparing to a 2.3 ghz amd chip which is rated sume where around a 2900+ and that is faster for $80. and of course intel mobos cost more to. i got my kt400 for a cheep $80 and intel mobos cost $30-40 more. just stating the facts infact i would buy an intel chip if i had the money but right now its a better buy to buy an amd chip. – by aa
|intel (10:41pm est tue mar 04 2003)
clearing intel is better
3000+ xp wut if i am not running xp
i mean come on linux all the way f@#k amd intel is way better – by tanner
|not just another pretty face (12:59am est wed mar 05 2003)
x86-64 athlon 64 and opteron is a sea change in computing. amd is putting together a new architecture to replace 20 years of stagnation in the pc market. major change of such magnitude can be expected to suffer a few errors along the way but will be worth the effort.
count the changes:
1. backward compatible 64 bits
if it arrives at all it will be a miracle and no geek nor it manager will ever again purchase a pentium. – by : )
|ha haaa (5:36pm est fri mar 07 2003)
whatever amd rulezzzzzzzzzzzz
haaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! – by me@u
|ha haaa (5:36pm est fri mar 07 2003)
whatever amd rulezzzzzzzzzzzz
haaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! – by me@u
|intel's remark (11:17pm est fri mar 07 2003)
"intel (10:41pm est tue mar 04 2003)
clearing intel is better
3000+ xp wut if i am not running xp
i mean come on linux all the way f@#k amd intel is way better – by tanner"
the xp has nothing to do with the os dumbass. – by digitalalpha
|err tanner's remark (11:30pm est fri mar 07 2003)
i meant tanner's remark. hehehe – by digitalalpha
|uggg (1:23am est sun mar 09 2003)
it appears you people including the authors of this site are just clueless. intel is better amd sucks bla bla bla. get a life as none of you make valid points and know nothing about the industry. you act as if intel is doing so well. stick your p4 up your ass if you love it so much. i would love to meet your wives, girlfriends and ask them how they cope with such an idiot. then again you people probably dont even get laid as your too busy posting untrue, pothetic, and cluess remarks here at geek.com . geek used to be a frequent site i visited but thats over with. the intelligence level here is or could be matched up with a group of morons taking a how to use a computer class. there are no accurate comments and nothing that can make anyone with a qtr brain stay here. this site has become a "well i read all the intelligent sites what else do i have to read" site. i guess todays internet sites can keep a healthy pace by posting news from other sites and having a bunch of jobless fools conversate with eachother. most of you probably have no money in the stock market either. how do i know? because you wouldnt be so happy with your intel company for the past few years. yeah they are bigger than amd–thats all. – by disgusted
|disgusted (10:32am est mon mar 10 2003)
care to counter any of the claims made, point by point?
– by rick c. hodgin
|amd's greatest gift to intel (12:07pm est wed mar 12 2003)
get real. intel handed amd 10% marketshare by stubbornly sticking to rambus-only systems when 128mb rdram sold for $1000+ and sdram/ddr was 85%-90% cheaper. couple that with amd's higher performance and price advantage and amd deserved the world. however, intel remaineth not blind forever. amd has failed miserably at keeping up with p4's evolution, much less maintain a lead. a year and a half ago hammer seemed like god now, a year behind schedule i would be surprised if amd managed to keep up with the then-current pentium, much less a last minute me-too x86-64 move by intel which would be the final one-upmanship blow to amd. as a shareholder i have seen amd become its own worst enemy. i fear it has one last chance to redeem itself. – by jay
|immortal amd (4:44pm est sat mar 29 2003)
amd will never die…..
that was the stupidest thing i ever read – by amd fan
|a m d (9:14am est tue apr 01 2003)
amd has had faithfull customers for a long,long time..a faithfull amd fans will back amd through the tuffest of situations no questions asked whatsoever….the future is uncertain…but i will continue to buy amd products till i cannot do so anymore..the company has saved me so much money that i feel almost obligated to stick with them..and for a reasonable user..the price difference is still wayyyy wayyy on amds side..my 1800+ spanks a p4 2.8 with same periphs in all arenas…thank you amd..and good luck in the future of competition..you were,are,and i hope…will contnue to be the best at offering a product that has a very respectable price/performance ratio. – by amd fan
|the whole pc stuff sucks (3:57am est thu jul 10 2003)
why could ibm not a=have designed a decent system in the first place – by legacy sucks
|it's all about da cliches (1:28pm est sat jul 12 2003)
i'll never go back to amd (or via(!!!))- long live intel!!!!!!!!!
i'm going to buy a p4 2.4c, and overclock the f*#% out of it!!
– by sambo nignog iii jr
|no subject (2:13am est sat nov 15 2003)
i regret buying my amd – by dr-turbo
|intc vs amd in 64 bit chips (9:21pm est fri jan 02 2004)
what are you guys saying here! intc has had 64 bit chips far longer than amd has and intc has more expierience that poor old amd, yeah right i hate amd :))
intc has money to spend on r&d as aparent through intc's $28 billion r&d spending in this past 3 years of horible economic conditions!!! at the end of my article i will give you amd lovers 3 or more scenarios, in order for them to survive! well amd has no cash and profits are excuse my language so shitty that intc makes that profit many times far less than 30+ years in 1 month or less!!
i'm not paid by intc!! thats a pathetic excuse for a crap corp fans to be saying!!!!!!!!!!
my 3 or more scenarios for amd to survive in the feature or die: some psyco pathic idiot to buy amd which is very unlikely (the only idiot that would think of doing that would be non other than mcnealy of sunw's), partner up with a mass amount of corporations to develope technogly which intc does not need to do ( meaning intc is self funded and amd ceo admited to that on c/net last summer of 2003), liquidate, file for ch. 11, 7 and etc, sell if any that could be sold part of amd's division!
p.s. i'm an intc lover and nobody cant alter my love with intc! – by amds worst nightmare
|amd vs intel (4:26am est fri feb 20 2004)
maybe amd's worst mistake was to keep offering better performance, innovative design at prices disproportionately lower than intel: very convenient for end-users but suicide on a longer term. why the hell should they do that? they needed and deserved the money instead i'm wondering if they will still exist in a few years. i've seen quite a few amd/intel based systems so far and i can tell you this: celeron is a nightmare beyond any imagination- the ideal way for getting a nervous breakdown and p4 is slow and extremely overpriced. and sadly soon they might become the only thing you can get on the market. – by darth sidious
|reply to: intc vs amd in 64 bit chips statement and for all in here. (6:11pm est fri jun 04 2004)
who said anything that amd was first at making 64? if people do say they mean that it as the most commonly used 64 bit processor ever made. 64 bit procesosr is even better for 32 bit also for as performance. i really think intel is becoming a monopoly and trying to stir the crowd to remove amd from all sides of the board. there again u must be out of the picture to see the picture. thats all i have to say.
ps: get a life and besides fighting whs the best just buy wut "you" think is. thankyou.
( this is comming froma person who has both a p4 2.8 ht and an amd 3000 64 bit, both have cons and pro. ) – by intel amd whatever
|intc rules (8:00pm est fri jul 16 2004)
well intc has come out with their own 32/64 bit xeon chip and within the next year or so amds optanic will become bauried underground by intc's 32/64 bit chip.
can you guys say wintel pact between msft & intc. amd is no competition to intc and amd is losing market share to intc as said in their latest earnings report.
all hale intc & msft – by amd is going to die
|64 bit processing slows down 32 bit… (1:20am est wed jul 21 2004)
just as a sidenote, running a 64 bit processor on a 32 bit os and application will actually only serve to slow them down (ironically). this has been performance proven on many of hp and compaq's 64 bit computers. in addition, being as the 64 bit windows xp is slated for 2007, it's kind of a moot point to buy a 64 bit processor now when there isn't the software to utilize it. i'm not saying it's a bad chip, but ffs, it's worthless to anyone but big bill and his development slaves. now, i'm not listing my specs because, god forbid, i'll be labeled as a fanboy or something, but have some common sense because all i'm doing is providing the facts. anyway, adios. – by dragon
|there there (12:26pm est tue jan 25 2005)
it's 2005 now… that article sucks :p – by neb
|hp and compaq (10:17am est tue mar 15 2005)
"…this has been performance proven on many of hp and compaq's 64 bit computers."
stop right there. your basing the 64-bit processor benchmarks on an hp? a compaq? try a company that knows what they are doing… – by shifty-eyes
|wow! (11:51am est thu jul 07 2005)
can't believe somehow i stumbled across this article almost 2 1/2 years later. seems i was right….as usual. =p
maybe i should try to get paid for my more accurate commentaries?! lol – by geckotek
|you're wrong! hahahaah! (12:45pm est tue aug 02 2005)
it's funny when people try to predict the future… they can get it sooo wrong rofl! nice try tho… but wayyyy off lol! – by buoyo
|lol (5:59pm est wed oct 19 2005)
rick c. hodgin should resign as a commentator, he is aweful.
dolt :) – by hugh wanger
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all people are dumb ass. lol
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do not assume things u amd's
"intel is the best!!!"
go buy from each, sit n get the cream n sh%^ from each one n see… – by intel fan
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By-laws. I think we need more of them. Maybe a by-law making useless by-law inspectors a violation? Maybe one where a citizen can take a by-law inspector and give him a bit of a verbal barrage for being somewhat lackadaisical insofar as his/her job goes?
Since this place is SO obvious, one might think the inspectors drove down side streets as they comb the neighbourhood, seeking out boulevards with grass over 6" long... like maybe Simcoe Street?
Nope. I don't think any inspectors make it there either. Neither do they watch the news. Remember that house where the body was found in the back yard? Over grown with weeds and hiding Shawn Lamb's handiwork, the place was on all the news channels. Need a refresher? Here's a RECENT pic, plus a few of the yard. Let's play ,"Spot the infractions"!
You can name the obvious by-law transgressions, and maybe (for extra points) figure out which by-law the offense is listed in. (Similar to "Whose line is it anyway", the points don't matter, I choose the winner as I see fit). There are so many violations here I can scarcely list them all myself. Recently, the lawn was mowed and the fence (lying on it's side in the pic) was removed from the yard, but that's about it.
Wondering why? Me too. Apparently it's a complaint driven process. I guess that means that if a $65K a year By-law officer drives by, there's nothing he (she) can do about it.
The West End would like to join together to thank By-Law enforcement department for their fine work.
A house on the news, a crime scene that should be an embarrassment to their department goes unnoticed... for two months AFTER the fact. How long did it sit like that before every news team was at the site and the Cadets and Police staked out the area protecting the "evidence" for days? Lawn unkempt, ripe for a body toss? I dunno. I don't keep track. It's not MY job.
You wonder. What is it these folks get paid to do? There's the boulevard cutting thing... and?
My lovely wife made a complaint. She called about an old dresser, mattress, a tent and other junk littering the neighbours back yard. months later, she used the reference number 311 had given her to follow up. The inspector responsible told her, "The file is closed".
"Really?", she asked, "How can that be, all the junk is still there?"
"I was there and I didn't see anything unreasonable, but I'll go by again."
He got back to her a few days later.
"As long as they can justify needing the items, there's nothing I can do."
"How can anyone justify a rotting mattress and an old dresser missing drawers in their backyard?"
You get the idea of how that whole situation played out. The inspector did absolutely nothing.
There is STILL a rotting mattress, leaning up next to the house, ready for some punk to spray a little lighter fluid on it, torching it, the soffits and attic of the house, my fence...
Again, the inspector did his job. He opened a file, went out, inspected, (likely from the window of his car), went back to the office, and closed the file.
Good job. You'll likely get promoted.
Another was asked to do something about the incessant problems with pigeons nesting and raising squabs in the overhang of a neighbouring house. "Oh... I'm not sure there's anything we can do about pigeons."
Really? How about the soffits where the birds are nesting? I'm pretty sure there's a by-law somewhere about that sort of thing, let alone the vermin.
I have a hunch the inspectors know the owner. Now I'd never suggest anything untoward is going on, but the way some places are purposefully left with no action whatsoever makes one start to wonder. Not in a "Why?" sort of way, rather in a "Hmmmm" sort of way.
Still looking at Shawm Lamb's dumping ground? Special huh? I think I heard that the Public Trustee is involved in the property. Could it be there is some sort of preferential treatment for Government agencies... that unwritten,"give a brother a break" mentality?
We wouldn't want to make work for another level of civil servant, would we? Adding by-law infractions and Boarded Building Permits to the work load of those poor guys over there... our union brothers...
I can't for the life of me figure it out.
Harvey lives on this block, and his claim is always, "You know why I know what's going on in my area? I walk, I don't drive, I walk the streets."
Apparently not his own block, or his lane, at least not in the direction of Notre Dame.
I get the idea that there is a lot of work to be done in Winnipeg's older, established areas, but we've seen our property taxes skyrocket with the new assessment. Houses here are starting to creep to $200k, with $150k buying you junk that still needs a lot of elbow grease.
While other areas of Winnipeg supplemented the West End for a number of years, we're now likely paying more than our share.
Do you think we could get a little effort out of the guys charged with enforcing the by-laws? Maybe walk a block a day? The West End Biz does... they take notes, and know where the problem spots are.
Since 311 doesn't' actually compile a "complaint by address" count, they're no good at pointing out the "broken window". (If you're unfamiliar with the theory, http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=3aae70ed-59c7-4892-a8f8-a9703be9ae2d )
Any chance the By-Law department can at least nail some plywood over it? Maybe like this...
All doors, windows and other openings, other than the principal entrance, at the basement and main (first) floor levels must be covered in compliance with this Part with a solid piece of plywood at least 11mm thick and secured with coated spikes at least 75mm in length, spaced not more than 150mm on center.
It seems to me that this department is better at telling someone what to do than actually doing much of anything really useful.


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Server Specs: Egenera partners with Fujitsu Siemens
Data center news: Blade vendor Egenera goes global with Fujitsu Siemens; IT vendors continue to bang the drum for RFID; vendors spend money making money.
A compilation of data center news:
Egenera partners with Fujitsu Siemens
Marlboro, Mass.-based blade startup Egenera has gone global, signing an OEM agreement with Fujitsu Siemens Computers. The companies brokered an alliance worth $300 million over approximately three years. Under the terms of the agreement, which takes effect immediately, Fujitsu Siemens Computers will integrate Egenera's BladeFrame system into its Primergy server portfolio. The move will expand Egenera's technology throughout Europe, the Middle East and Africa.
New SOA tools from Big Blue
IBM has unveiled new software, services and an expanded partner initiative to ease deployment and management of a service-oriented architecture (SOA). Big Blue is launching new and enhanced software for the WebSphere portfolio, as well as increased integration between WebSphere, Rational and Tivoli Software to take advantage of SOA's interoperability. New capabilities from IBM Global Services include measuring SOA improvements, tracking SOA projects, as well as consulting vertical industries.
AT&T to begin beta testing RFID managed services
Telecom giant AT&T recently announced customer trials starting early next year of a managed, end-to-end, hosted radio frequency identification (RFID) service. During the 90-day RFID service trials, AT&T will design, deploy and manage RFID systems, which extend from AT&T's IP network and data centers into customers' infrastructures, including RFID readers, edge devices and software, local area networks, firewalls, and routers. AT&T joins Cisco and IBM in the managed RFID market.
HP, Royal Philips Electronics promote next-gen RFID
Hewlett-Packard Co. has partnered with Netherlands-based Royal Philips Electronics to promote a new standard for RFID tags. The new global EPC Class 1 Generation 2 standard would allow a single RFID tag to travel globally and still be read by most readers, something that wasn't previously possible. For example, most first-generation Class 1 RFID tags used in the U.S. cannot be read in Europe due to bandwidth limitations. Gen 2 would make it possible to track a tag sent from the U.S. through Europe with ease.
IDC: Vendor marketing jumps in 2005
According to Framingham, Mass.-based research firm IDC, IT vendors will spend record amounts on marketing in 2005. IDC said marketing budgets will increase by 6.4% for the year 2005, and this is the fastest rate of increase over the past four years. IDC claims the jump will expand to 7% in 2006. The research firm attributes the marketing push to a slow growth economy, where effective marketing is the best way to grow revenues. IDC expects the spending to be turned inward, to marketing hires and internal professional development.


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Anyway, a few layouts I have recently created for Chels at SCRAPBOUTIQUE.
I worked with the wonderful Elle's Studio 'Day to Day' products to create the following two layouts!
I love the papers and all of the little bits and pieces you can cut out and add to your layouts! You can find them here.
Chels also sent me some of the gorgeous Websters Pages 'Plum Seed' papers, mini bags and folders and journalling cards.
In this first one I used the mini folder and a bag to add extra photos and journalling so I have included a close up of that too!
I made this one using the same range, I love that there are both pinks and red and then more masculine blues and browns in this range!!
Thanks for dropping by! I really must make an effort to update more frequently!!


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while downloading BREAKERZ WISH02 live i just saw this one from Acid Black Cherry Official Website , …. they just show cover single for Shojo no Inori III …..
i just say : OMG his hair is back to black ….. yay !!! but then after i look at the photo again and again …. hueee it is not black but it was dark brown … This cover is quite simple for me but it looks great, Yasu and his "wondering/thinking" face with the necklace he always wear …..
Yukki said from the tweeting boys (Junji, Shuse, and Yukki … from they we all know what he's doing right now or about his latest news)'s tweet if they are start to shoot the PV and rehearsal for something … i dunno ….
Yasu is kinda busy this year, well he promise he is going to work harder than last year on Sixth Sense Live , , ….. i remember from his first comeback :
– Recreation2 album
– Re:Birth single
– Re:Birth Live
– Join Hyde on Vamps Halloween Party
– Stop Drunk Driving (SDD) Project
– The Sixth Sense Live
– and this one Shojo no Inori III
he is working hard now to make another list for me to wait and makes me happy, …… I am happy and there's only one i wanted to say to him is :
nee Ya_san, …. just stay genki please ….!!!!!
because i want him to be genki, this song fits for tonight : Genki by BANDAGE _ Akanishi Jin


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Why Everyone is Suddenly Putting Butter In Their Coffee
Who loves Coffee? I do! How about you? I bet you do too for most of us; Coffee is an important part of our daily lives not just for breakfast. Coffee as we all know is a brewed drink with a distinct aroma and flavor which is prepared from roasted coffee beans. These coffee beans are the seeds found in the berries of the coffee plant. Are you curious as to where the coffee plant is grown and cultivated? Here is a little information about it, Coffee plant is cultivated in over 70 countries around the world and most of them are in the equatorial regions of the Americas, Southeast Asia, India and Africa.
Looking for a new healthy twist in your coffee? Would you be interested to know how? Maybe you are wondering why everyone is suddenly putting butter into their coffee? What? Butter in the coffee? Yes, you got it right. This is actually a new trend that has been going around and may change how you like your coffee to be. Instead of the usual sugar and cream, don't you know that some people are putting butter? You might think that this is a little gross. As we all know, butter is oily and has a taste that will not match your brewed coffee.
But there is only this butter we are going to share with you that you can put into your coffee that has health benefits that is good for your body.
Grass-fed butter has vitamins A, D & K2, heart-disease preventing CLA (conjugated linoleic acid) and so much more. Kerrygold unsalted butter is the most common brand of grass fed butter found in grocery stores. Why grass-fed butter? How is it different from the other butters? The answer is simple. Grass fed cows are the best producers of milk and beef than the soy or corn fed cows. Those soy or corn fed cows have fats in their milk that are not good for your body.
Want to know what are the amazing benefits of grass fed butter? First thing, it has the right fats that regulate cholesterol and not add to it. This butter has the best ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 fatty acids that reduces body fat. Grass fed butter is also a good source of vitamin K that reduces the risk of heart disease. Here are more health benefits that might change your mind about the grass fed butter. This provides the healthy fats for your brain and body to create cell walls and hormones. These are some of the major health benefits that a grass fed butter have. It's amazing that only one butter can give you these vitamins that you need.What are you waiting for? Try this now!
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