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Annapurna in the Monsoon Day 2: At the Brink of Fog and Cloud
The morning mist turned into a blanket of fog over breakfast. In the space of a night, the warm humidity of the previous day shifted to thick damp. It was my first hint of Annapurna in the monsoon season.
We would trek to Ghorepani that day. My guide hinted that it would be a harder trek than the previous day.
Nonetheless, I recalled my colleague Karina's counsel, when I had wondered aloud to her, whether I could do the trek. "I used to be intimidated too," she said. "And then I realised, trekking is just walking for a really long time!"
It kind of made sense.
Still, I felt some leg muscles aching already. It's ok, I thought, as we prepared to move. When I reach Ghorepani, I'll dig out the muscle relaxant cream. Just as a preventive measure for tomorrow. There were many more days to go.
Despite the foggy damp, we set off in good cheer.
- 1 Annapurna in the Monsoon Season
- 2 Safe Drinking Water in the Annapurnas
- 3 It's an Upward Trek
- 4 Nerding Out on the Annapurna trek
- 5 The Home Stretch to Ghorepani
Annapurna in the Monsoon Season
The hike quickly turned steep. But the mists kept the day cool and so it was not unpleasant.
Before long we came upon another river crossing, one with a tall waterfall pouring what seemed to be endless water into a rushing stream. I had never seen so much water falling so fast, since watching the falls of Milford Sound.
As we walked past, I noted a kind of rustic arch and some signage pointing… down?
I went closer to examine it. The signs pointed down a steep slope, advertising the waterfall as a swimming spot, and … boulder hopping.
More signs on the arch itself marked the spot as a party scene, probably in the peak season.
Hopefully there's a lot less water then, and the boulders not so slippery.
The heavens opened…
It was not long until the rains began. Drizzling in fits and bursts at first, so that you could hardly decide whether to keep your waterproof jacket on or off.
Seema unpacked the waterproof cover that my backpack came with, and fastened it. Devi came over to make sure that the smaller one that I borrowed from the 3 Sisters was properly covering my day pack.
But as we moved onward, I was confronted with another characteristic of trekking Annapura in the monsoon.
They were everywhere. The green verge by the paths were infested with them, sticky tendrils reaching blindly out, blindly stretching into the path. Any brush with the undergrowth, any meander to investigate a curious plant, and you must check yourself. Pull off the inevitable stowaway.
I made sure to secure my pants and socks.
…And a mystery resolved.
We went onward. About midmorning, Devi called a break at a teahouse halfway up a steep slope.
There, the mystery of the bin bags was solved.
As the sky opened wide, pouring buckets down all around us, we finished our tea. Then, both my guide and my porter unpacked one big, blue bin bag each and proceeded to make a face-sized hole at the bottom.
To my stupefaction, they put the bags on themselves, and over their backpacks, making a perfect rain shield. The water would slide completely away and drip down. There would be no chance of the rain slipping down in between your back and the backpack.
A much more complete protection than the backpack covers – albeit much less fashionable.
And I had thought I got my secondhand waterproof North Face jacket at a steal.
Safe Drinking Water in the Annapurnas
One of the things that I researched beforehand was about securing a supply of potable water during the trek. I read that availability of safe drinking water was a potential concern in the Annapurnas. Most trekkers apparently bring chlorine tablets, and I observed bottled water being sold.
But after my Plastic Free April attempt, I was determined to avoid water bottled in plastic on this trip.
Sustainable trekking tip: bring a portable water filter
Fortunately, among the last things that my outdoorsy ex-friend gave me before he was no longer allowed to have 'risky' female friends, was an extremely well-researched portable water filter solution. So I was well-equipped with a Sawyer Mini filter during this trek.
It's very lightweight, small, and extremely easy to use.
With a couple of squeeze bags' worth of water, I could fill two medium size water bottles, and that would do it for a day. Gravity drop is usually sufficient to filter the water for me, taking less than 10 minutes overall.
I used this method throughout my time in Nepal, and even subsequently through Uttar Pradesh in India. Yep, I put my money (and gastrointestinal tract) where my mouth is!
I had no bowel issues related to water throughout the entire trip.
Water, water everywhere – is there any drop to drink?
In every village or hamlet, we passed by at least one public faucet within a stone masonry construction. These seem to be the water sources for all the people living in the Annapurnas.
It is quite obvious that Annapurna in the monsoon is bursting with water. The rivers gush it, the skies pour it, enough to flow in sheets about our feet. But these were not quite what I might consider safe potable water, necessarily.
I know a bit of something about supplying safe water, because of my training and my day job. The water could easily be contaminated before it gets piped to the faucets. Perhaps the locals were inured to it, but it may not be suited to outsiders.
I asked Devi about the faucets.
They were watered by a spring, she said. From far up the mountain. The pipework runs all over the mountain, from that source. Locals use it as-is, but sometimes outsiders have trouble, she said.
But if the water comes straight from a spring… why then, it means that it should be all right! Yeah, my guide said. Some trekkers use it like we do.
But because my filter was so easy to use, I kept filtering anyway.
The safe drinking water initiative
If that was not enough, as I trekked through the Annapurnas, I noticed yet another comforting sight.
There were signs marking certain teahouses or guesthouses as safe drinking water stations. These host purified water. However, the sign suggested that they are bottle refills, so these would have had to be carried all the way from the towns.
All in, the most sustainable potable water option is still either the local supply, or local + portable filter (or similar, such as a Steripen).
It's an Upward Trek
Yes, I'm aware that I was trekking up a mountain, which was in the Himalayas – the mountain range with the highest peaks in the world. Hence it should come as no surprise that the trek was… an upward climb.
But for some reason I kind of didn't think about that as much. I figured we'd somehow meander our way up through forest trails and such, and I wouldn't really notice so very much the 'upness' of the trek.
After all, the first day was sort of like that.
It was just as well too. If I had really done the math and worked out the necessary inclines to gain the required height every day… I might have talked myself out of this!
The stone steps of Annapurna
But the trek to Ghorepani quickly disabused me of such notions. There are steps in Annapurna. Great, big, stone, steep steps. And on the second day, there were many such stretches of steep, big stone steps.
Just when it seemed that a particularly onerous stretch was it, we rounded a bend and I was confronted with yet another super-steep series of these steps… It's not just like walking, Karina!! It's not!!!
I remembered reading that the best way to prepare for Macchu Picchu was to take lots of steps as a primary form of exercise. Annapurna too. But they wouldn't have been enough, I think. Because many of the steps along the Annapurna trek were higher than the standard staircase rise. Not to mention they're irregular as well. You'd have to randomly take some steps two at a time, to come close.
My little 5′ Asian frame used to mainly flattish terrain certainly noticed.
It's a school day
Up ahead, we heard the sounds of boys rough-housing and splashes. A group of children in already-disheveled uniforms on the way to school, distracted by a little spring by the steep steps. Splashing in the puddles and teasing each other in sing-song.
Devi strode up to them, and stood over them, arms akimbo. Shooed them on their way to school.
"Where is the school?" I wondered. Devi made a vague upward motion with her hand.
"On top!"
I stood, my legs already aching, and gazed at the receding figures of the children scrambling up the mountain. I took a photo. Over lunch, I sent it to all my teacher friends at home – and we Malaysians (especially the ladies) are not an athletic nation – and wryly asked what they would do if they had to climb a mountain every day to go to work.
"We would be thin!" Liza announced to the Whatsapp group.
It's not all leeches and horrid steps…
Still, in spite of the spatters of rain and the punishing steps, the enveloping fog rendered a fairy charm to the trail. And at times, when the mist cleared, we could see that we were high enough to see that we would be somewhat at cloud height soon.
The tops of the slopes were often rendered mysterious by a veil of fog. And fog, gliding between and wrapping around the forested slopes cast an eeriness to the highland wood.
Even the stretches through farmland scenes were made ethereal by the touch of fog on the hilltops behind.
Annapurna in the monsoon wears a billowing shawl of fog.
And though I found the day more wearying than the first, there was still time to enjoy some play time with my companions.
Stopping by a patch of wildflowers, my guide showed me a game that Nepali little girls would play with the seed pod. Just like how Malaysian girls would, with the keembung* (pronounced 'KE-em-bong'). Basically it involves searching for seed pods nearly ripe to burst, and then popping them.
Trekking is normally depicted in the masculine image of a single-minded goal of reaching peaks as fast as possible. Indeed, many (if not most) of the trekkers along the way were aiming for the base camp, and passed us quickly by. But I liked that we stopped to pop flower seed pods.
And I have the suspicion that this is the more local way of being in the mountains!
The church in Annapurna
Lunch was a welcome break from the morning's exertions. We watched as more children rushed across the small village square and upward (yes, yet more steps!). Different school session, perhaps?
I asked Devi whether the school was in this village. It seemed quite a distance already since we last saw the bunch earlier. But no. The school was even higher than this.
Thinking about having to make that trek of unknown proportions for school… no, I can't think about it.
I'm not sure which village this was, where we stopped for lunch. But aside from not being the one with the school, it has a curious trait. In this Hindu and Buddhist land, there is a chapel here.
Pit stop: the Italians who would turn water into wine
In a way, you could say that trekking in the Annapurnas is easy.
You don't need to make camp and pack up afterwards, since there are guesthouses all along the way. I'd venture to say that it's even more sustainable to stay in a guesthouse, because your presence in the Conservation Area would then provide a means of livelihood for the people who dwell there.
There are restaurants along the way too, between guesthouse villages. The restaurants reminded me a great deal of the ones back in Malaysia – simple, rustic, and unassuming. You could stop for a very welcome hot cup of tea, even a snack. Or for a bathroom break. Or to shelter from particularly torrential rain.
If I didn't have a trekking schedule to keep, the Malaysian in me would certainly have eaten more along the way. For no reason than because it is possible!
In one such stop we met Madge and Anna, two Italian women trekking together in Annapurna. I can't now remember why we stopped by there. But they were seeking to buy bottled water – except that in their tiredness, they asked the lady at the counter for wine!
How Italian! They remarked of themselves, as we laughed together over the mistake.
Nerding Out on the Annapurna trek
You encounter a party…
Your party encounters a band of travelers halfway up the hill. The leader hails you and asks where you're from. You tell him.
Roll d20 against Charisma. Success!
They adopt your party into their caravan.
One of them gives you provisions. [Meal +1] Another gives your leader a Graduated Walking Stick (+2 Endurance; -1 Dexterity unless used with Skill: Walking Stick).
Translation for non-players of Dungeons & Dragons
We were hiking across a stretch that was more farmland than forest. Maize grew in terraces whose stone sides were draped over with green creepers and highland weed. The drop to the right of us was almost completely lost in fog.
Trudging through the mist up a hill, we came across a group of Korean trekkers. They were friendly, calling out to us curiously. An older man among them asked me where I was from. Malaysia, I said.
He beamed with obvious pleasure – he's been twice! It turned out that his daughter had studied in Malaysia, in Monash University.
Unanimously, we took an unspoken break on the trail at the brink of the Annapurna fog. The man excitedly told me all about his good memories of Malaysia, and his companions came over to talk to my guide and porter, one of whom gave us some candy. Giving me his business card, he insisted I should call him if I ever needed a host in his country.
The gift of the alpine walking stick
Well, well! My mission of acquiring 1000 homes is proceeding more easily than I anticipated! I had just acquired a Nepali and a Kashmiri home in a single encounter a mere two days ago, and now a South Korean one!
As we picked up our gear to move on, Devi came over with a new accessory – an alpine walking stick. It was length-adjustable, and graduated too so you could measure the exact length to be extended. She pointed to one of the Korean party, who had given it to her. I was amazed by their easy generosity.
Devi offered it to me, but not being a mountain hiker, I had never used one before, and couldn't appreciate the point. So she used it herself. Nonetheless, when we came upon the Koreans at a later point, she returned it. She didn't need the aid.
Fleeing Nazgul in the rhododendron forest
We were high enough now, and the fog thickened enough, that I could no longer tell where it ended and the clouds began. At what point, I mused to myself, would you say this is no longer fog, but is now cloud? After all, they're both water vapour…
We left the highland farms behind, and entered the forest trails. The fog lay always above us – or was it low cloud? – and gave a fairy tale touch to every photo. Soon we came upon the rhododendron forest, which was mentioned in the trek itinerary.
To be sure, I didn't actually know what a rhododendron forest looked like. I had notions that perhaps there would be flowers, but then again, it could have been the wrong season.
But you kind of knew you were entering a significant spot when you saw it. Its tall dark trunks leaning over the trail, epiphytes trailing from its dark branches into the mist.
These forests loomed large. The kind of large that makes you feel dwarfed and awed – and that's with the tops of it shrouded in white away from full view. The hush of fog lay over the air, and it was damp upon my face.
Looking down a trail section crowded over by the leaning trees, I imagined the Nazgul in just such a forest, and wondered if I could have made my aching legs move fast enough to leap down beneath an overhang of root as the hobbits had.
The Home Stretch to Ghorepani
There were yet more steep stretches. Every so often, Devi assured me that we were coming upon Ghorepani soon. I wondered if we were hiking too slow – it was getting to be longer than the estimated 6 hours.
But at this point I knew there was no point to think about it, only to keep putting one foot in front of the other, and keep climbing. There was no more being distracted by scenery.
Devi began to tell me about Poon Hill, the viewpoint we would hike to early the next morning before breakfast, to see the sunrise. It would be the first sight of the Annapurna peaks for trekkers along this way, and it was supposed to be an incredible view. But would it be visible in the fog of the monsoon?
She was quietly hopeful, but acknowledged that the fog might obscure the peaks. We'll see. She would wake first and have a look herself, and then let me know if we would hike out.
At last, at last, at last!
"We're here!"
Really? My exhausted brain hardly dared to think it. We finally reached the mythic haven of Ghorepani at last?
I reached the crest of the slope and looked down the paved way to the yellow arch. It was true. We were there.
Hang on a sec.
I was actually relieved and well, now that I knew I'd arrived. But I was determined that this feat be commemorated with a photo that represented how it felt inside to reach it.
Devi and Seema laughed, but obliged me.
Ghorepani in blue and white
As we walked through the arch into the village of Ghorepani, just like in Derbyshire, my gamer instincts were triggered.
The town looked like it came to life from Oblivion. The stone steps, the buildings upon the ledges, down to the horses milling about grazing, which I was certain could be hired, just like in the game.
And best of all, it was entirely blue and white. In fact, I later realised that the buildings across Annapurna were mainly painted in blue – my favourite colour. Which brought my Blue Period wanderings in Derbyshire even more strongly to mind.
We made our way to the inn, where Devi sorted out my room arrangements.
It was 2855m above sea level. That day, I had climbed more than a thousand metres.
I finally stay at an inn
I had stayed at inns hundreds of times in my life. Virtual inns, that is – in computer games and gamebooks.
In real life though, while I've stayed in accommodations rustic and homely, in the East and the West, I couldn't really consider any of them an inn.
I don't know how to explain this, but walking into the guesthouse in Ghorepani, I immediately considered it an inn.
It was much larger than the guesthouse in Hille. In the peak season it would be heaving with trekkers, and some of them would have to sleep on the floors. There would be music and and merriment then, with so many people around.
There were stairs leading to long corridors of rooms, and another to the 'local quarters' for the guides and porters, and up to the great dining hall where there was a legit wood burning stove right in the middle where we could dry our wet clothes.
It was the coolest place I'd ever stayed at. I absolutely loved the fact that I'd journeyed in the wilderness through the day, then came up to an inn at its close, gathering around a fire with other trekkers, sharing its warmth to dry from the monsoon rains.
I was almost living out my childhood D&D games. Minus the bit about having to fight goblins in the forest.
It was not there. Confused, I checked and re-checked everything in my backpack. Did I leave out the muscle cream?
With a sense of foreboding, I remembered that I had put it together with the portion of supplies meant for the rest of the trip, after the trek. An inexplicable error.
After the exertions of the day, I was sure that my muscles would be incredibly sore the following day – especially the calves, because I had not expected that much climbing.
At dinner, I asked Devi about the possibility of a pharmacy. Fortunately, Ghorepani was a large village, and a trekker's congregation spot. The next morning we would go further in where the shops were, and there was a pharmacy there.
That didn't sound too bad.
I went straight to sleep after dinner, mindful that I might have to hike before dawn to Poon Hill. At that point I was so tired, I wasn't sure whether to wish for the fog to lift or to stay.
But I dropped to sleep thinking of the Poon Hill view.
* keembung – a kind of balsam
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Well, today people cannot be shocked anymore . If somebody would tell that electricity is a flow of currency inside the wire they will accept it ...
I've told many that power stations never produced any watt of energy taken from combustion of oil or coal to run stem engines which propel their generators, but nobody is believing. Yet we can trace many such statements in history. McFarland Cook,Leedscalnin,Stubblefield,Hendershot,Perrigo,M oray,Figuera,Buforn,Steven Mark essentially said the same : generators do not produce electricity, they condense actual currents available in Earth electrical system, which was called ether or air electricity...
P.S. Sorry, forgot Tom Bearden - HE IS RIGHT , very good description about mechanical energy in generators used up to turn the shaft, but then he mess too much with dipoles ;-)
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The idea in the picture (from Kelly) is an interesting one, but I see no coils in this circuit. (while in your posts you are talking about motors and coils)
Just a lot of switching to be done, and today it seems to make more sense to use ultra caps instead of those batteries. Is there a ready-to-use diagram to implement this circuit?
OK, so Matt went into some depth, and explained what is true and false about what I read in Kelly's book that got me started. And he should know. His Benitez device ran under load for months. Think about the four components again, and let's look at them.
Begin with the motor.
I wanted to build a device that we knew worked. John B himself said that after the deal with Watson and when his life was threatened, he moved away from the design he had and went with the monopole design because they wouldn't come after him for that one. It was NOT as efficient, so no big threat. So they left him alone. Now we can try to build monopoles, or we can go back to that original device.
1. Motor
2. Generator/Accumulator
4. Proper Switching
5. Flywheel
This device WORKED. Reduce the cost of running the motor and you obviously have a greater span between what it costs you to run, and what you get out of your generator. My thinking was that we take each of the component parts and bring to the table all we know about how to make that the BEST it can be, based on current knowledge.
Motor modifications.
John ran a universal motor so there was no drag between rotor and stator in the off time. Probably modified to be more efficient than off the shelf.
But maybe we can go a step better, or maybe NOT
1. Rewind a Razor Scooter motor as a pulse motor using the wiring schematic Matt came up with and we have been using for almost two years now with the razor scooter motor on the 3BGS thread. We posted instructions for how to do that on the 3BGS web site already, and one of the guys who replicated it even made a video. But that is data easily linked to and shared. Why a pulse motor? Because 50% of the time it runs as a generator and the other 50% of the time you can run it between potential differences. And while that will not allow it to run FOREVER (or we would have figured out a way on the 3BGS thread long ago and are still working on it) it gives REALLY LONG run times. What else can we do? How about this:
2. Add magnets to the exterior casing that will impact the current draw and RPM production of the motor, which allows us to REDUCE the voltage required to get the motor to run at the RPM we want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xv-...eature=related
I was up at 5:00 this morning cutting out pieces of plywood and gluing blocks between as spacers. It appears to work. I have not seen ANYBODY on the internet replicate this.
3. Run this modified motor on the 3BGS configuration, but not JUST the 3BGS configuration using 3 good batteries. You also incorporate switching, so first one battery is in the 3rd position, and then the next, and then the next, rotating them through. I have done this manually, and it also works.
What I am trying to do here is look at things people have done and we know how to do, and put them together to build something that works. I am not saying there isn't a BETTER solution to getting the most out of a motor, so that is why I am here sharing ideas. Some of YOU may have better ones.
We might find that using a Universal motor as John B did (so that there is no drag during the off time since the rotor AND stator are wound) is best, but I can't help but think this configuration might be way better. That's why we need people building and testing. I will build and test MY ideas. You build and test YOURS, and we see what works BEST and incorporate it into the design go this four part system.
Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.
Bernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist
I'm sure you have tried this winding , but maybe not.
See attached.
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It runs slow and strong, but uses nothing.
John Bedini
Here is a copy of the entire original page from way back:
We used as a starting point for our experiments, the switching device John Bedini had built for the Tesla Symposium. Our goal was to upgrade this switching device for ordinary car or motorcycle batteries.
Because we had already learned that the efficiency will go up the more we load the circuit, we decided to load this Tesla circuit also.
We found that when we connected a second lamp, the first lamp instantaneously became brighter.
Each time we disconnected and connected one of the light bulbs or other loads in the circuit, we saw a spark about a half inch long. The light of this spark was noticeably different from the light of sparks observed when experimenting with high voltages. We discovered that in addition to X-rays we were also generating scalar waves. These were detecting using a scalar wave detector built by John Bedini, which was based on a plan furnished by Tom Bearden.
Bedini was then invited to speak at the Tesla Centennial Symposium in Colorado Springs, CO, on August, 11, 1984, The symposium honored the 100th anniversary of the arrival of Nikola Tesla in the USA, and was sponsored by the Tesla Committee, by the Institute for Electronic and Electrical Engineers (IEEE), Pikes Peak Section, and by the Ford Aerospace& Communications Corporation,Colorado Springs Operation. At the symposium, Bedini demonstrated an inexpensive, cigar-box sized Tesla-type converter witch he had recently built. Throughout the demonstration, which lasted a full 24 hours during the symposium, a constant load was being drawn out of the system to do work, Nevertheless, the converter kept the nickel-cadmium batteries fully charged! The concept, witch had been originated by Nikola Tesla, was given to John Bedini by Ronald Brandt, who was a personal friend of Nikola Tesla. Brandt is reputed to have a similar converter which he has used for years without loosing the battery charge. Bedini presented the schematic diagram showing how to build the solid-state device, and then released copies of the schematic diagram.
This Diagram Was used by John Bedini to test the Tesla Switch
It happened on a Saturday night on the Bill Jenkins Show. I was invited to speak between the Dodger Baseball game and the news. The show had about one hour remaining to the end at 12:00 midnight.
Bill Jenkins knew nothing about what I was going to talk about that night. The time came for us to go on the air and the program started. I then proceeded to talk to the audience and I said, "Did anyone ever try this experiment: Did you ever try charging two capacitors, say about 22,000 microfarads, with 12 volts and then putting the two capacitors in series and dumping the charge across that same battery?" In the next few minutes the phone lines started to light up so I took the first phone call and answered the person's question. By the time the next call came up, it was time for news. By the time the news was over, I was on my way home with Bill.
Well two weeks went by and it came time for the next radio show. This is where Ray and Bill showed up. Bill Jenkins called for the radio station Chief Engineer, and said to Ray and Bill: "Well Show Us what You Got." Bill said, "WE HAVE A SCALAR WAVE BATTERY CHARGER." The Engineer said, "Sure you do." Bill said, "We do. We built this to John Bedini's plan." The Engineer said "OK, LET'S TEST IT." About this time Bill threw the switch on the side of the box , the lights and the motor started to run and Bill said to the station Engineer, "GO AHEAD MEASURE THE BATTERY." The station Engineer put the best meter the station owned across the battery. The Engineer looked over to Bill Jenkins and Me and said, "I do not believe this. This battery for all practical purposes is dead but yet it's running the lights and the motor and the battery is not running down."
For weeks after that the station was flooded with calls from people trying to find out where they could find this Bill and Ray. About one month after that I got a phone call from Bill. He said "Would you like to come over to my house. I said, "Sure." I got to his house and we talked for about two hours. At the end of our talk I asked Bill if I could have a copy of the circuit diagram. He said, "Sure. After all,you invented the thing."
This is where the bad part comes in. What the hell happened to Bill and Ray with this box? They never did anything with it. Here is the good part, the circuit diagram as he drew it I have only copied it in my paint program. IT'S YOURS, HAVE FUN. I NEVER BUILT IT. I ONLY HAD AN IDEA ABOUT A PORTABLE BATTERY CHARGER YOU NEVER HAD TO PLUG INTO THE WALL FOR POWER.
Some things in the circuit look wrong to me. But this is the circuit just the way I received it. So that's what I'm putting on the page. I have not studied this circuit and I haven't built it. I'm just giving you the information.
Good Luck
John Bedini
I might say something here, Ron Cole and I worked together, some of the circuits He did others I did. We are still very good friends to this day, except that I moved to Idaho and Ron stayed in California, but we still talk on the phone to each other.
Copyright © 1996
That is just to document the real source.
Let's do this NOW
I couldn't agree with you more. It's time to go big and do this. We've seen enough to know this is not only possible, but its been done by John Bedini and a couple others one or two of which are on this forum. We've been very fortunate that we haven't had a major collapse in this country of some kind. While we've got time we need to make the best use of it. I'll give you a call and we can sort out parts to build with.
I believe we have the tools and the knowledge of how to apply them...
Electrostatic charges manipulating magneto-gravitic streams...
You tell me!
I tend to respond as I go so I hadn't read your post where you say you have something you want to share. David says let's talk about this and you say you have something to share so by all means - do share and let's build!
I'm looking forward to what develops and in participating...
Electrostatic charges manipulating magneto-gravitic streams...
Hi Guys
A friend has offered me four Sota Enertech 12V 80Ah UPS Batteries, along with the big charger (holds four batteries) if I want them. I remember from the thread and SLA batteries seem to be at the bottom of the 3BGS user-friendly list. They're SLA AGM. I haven't tested them, and they're likely dead (were used at a radio station and have been replaced).
Any thoughts on their usability for this project?
Grab 'em. Most of these systems produce reactive power that you need to dump into batteries or caps before it is usable, and batteries are never a bad thing to have. Either you ail be able to restore them, or you can convert them to Alum. Either way, they are worth it.
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Thanks Dave!
I've got a lot of resources out in my workshop as well and would like to come along for the ride.
In the meantime I will put together the basic 3BGS to get familiar with it In the flesh.
Thanks Again,
Potential, is a terrible thing to waste.
If you look at Energy from the vacuum #37, where John B talks about the "Basic Free Energy Device" that Tom Beardon put in the "Free Energy Generation" book, he says there are two problems with it, that are solved by the monopole setup.
1st, trying to charge the same battery you are running off. Most folks can't get that to work. (John's words, not mine) Which is why he prefers two batteries.
2nd. The energy used to run the DC motor is lost because it is run by attaching it to a battery in the conventional manner, and it draws the battery down.
BOTH of these issues are addressed by what I've been harping on. Use a 3BGS type setup to move energy from a higher potential to a lower potential THROUGH THE MOTOR, POWERING IT, and you have VERY LITTLE NET LOSS just heat/friction losses PLUS you get the benefit of the motor running as a generator while you are pulsing it on a 50% duty cycle. Yes, the primary will eventually run down, so SWAP IT OUT with a battery you have charged using the output from the generator. There are some smart folks out there who can figure out how to flip between charging one battery and another battery based on the voltage reading in the batteries using an Arduino or something similar.
If you are going to play with the 3BGs, use three good batteries and watch your voltages. Run a motor and rotate your three batteries around. Don't overcharge battery 3.
YOU tell ME what you see happening when you do this.
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Hi Turion and all,
Your links to the rotoverter/AC motor reminds me of my poor man's mini rotoverter. I used two auto alternators coupled together. I drove one as a motor using a model car speed controller. When I got this concept, I chose not to post to this forum for the reasons you cited in your opening statements. Too many talkers and not enough builders.
Plus, I am just a retired old (soon to be 78) musician and I do not want to get into big discussions over things I really know little about. I was hoping some younger builders would copy my build posted on another forum because I was getting some unusual effects. I was able to drive a small 3 phase washing machine motor with the setup. In reactive mode, I could stall the motor without any reflection back to the battery or driving motor. I was able to drive the small motor to over 6,000 rpm on 14 v AC even though It is a 110 v motor.
I was also getting surges of over 50 volts with a running voltage of about 14 v. This would not happen with the small motor stalled. I came to the conclusion that the way to harness VARS in a resonant system was with a 3 phase generator driving a separate free running motor. The rotor of the free running motor would automatically adjust to whatever phase angle changes between volts and amps and convert this into usable energy.
The rotoverter concept is using resonance within its shaft coupled system and is locked into grid hertz. To my knowledge, no one has put a free running motor into resonance driven by a 3 phase generator? The VARS would be harvested as torque at the shaft of the free running motor if the concept works?
Here is a link to my last video I did about 3 months ago.
MAH00860 on Vimeo
I hope to return to my build soon. But have other priorities in my life right now. I do not want to link to another forum using this forum for those who might be interested in my build. I will post it if allowed.
You know sometimes the most obvious things are the hardest to grasp. Now think about the title of this thread...Basic free energy device, what is the most basic free energy device?. The most basic, cheapest free energy device is a piece of black aluminum soffit which will generate 1 Kw of energy in the form of heat for a price of around $7. A solar thermal panel can be built for about $20 which will generate 1 Kw of heat 6 hours a day producing around 2200 Kw/hr annually.
Now think about all the time you have invested, all the money you have invested. The real issue here is that people segregate energy into neat little categories so it makes sense to them, common sense, however energy is not an Earth bound concept it is a universal one. We are literally swimming in a sea of energy for the taking and yet we are blind to it.
In any case, whirling magnets past a coil of wire without understanding what Energy, Magnetism and Electricity are fundamentally is a fools game in my opinion. It is equivalent to trying to hit a home run without knowing what baseball is and personally I think all of you are better than that. If you want to succeed your going to have to start asking the hard questions, your going to have to go to that place you fear the most. That place where you say I don't understand but I intend to...that is the beginning.
South Americans mastered (and Indians) free energy long time ago
its called stealin'
you dummies.
Next time at the grocery, suggest purchasing new batteries for your sense of humor.
You want free energy? MOVE TO ICELAND.
every house is sitting on a fortune of free energy, and it only takes about $1000 to tap a hole and power your house forever for free.
Hi Tishtang,
That is very interesting how decreasing the voltage makes an increase in rpm!
Do you have any videos of how to build?
The blue box you use for a throttle, I use a trigger out of a variable speed drill, but would like to know more about your controller.
Awesome videos Thanks for sharing.
Hi Matt,
I kept having failures with first version. It ran good, but blew the motor controller. Also, blew my attempts at solid state voltage control for the rotor voltage to each rotor of the alternators. Here is first video showing new version with heavy duty motor controller and 25 watt rheostats to regulate rotor voltages. Units are coupled together with rubber coupling for black ABS plastic drain pipe from hardware store. Runs very smooth, most noise from fan on motor controller.
Alternators are highly engineered units made to turn high rpms all day long. Washing machine motor out of Whirlpool front load washing machine, 110 v 3 phase squirrel cage motor designed to turn 11,000 rpm. I just happened to have it on hand. One day I decided to hook it up to 3 phase output of alternator. I am using two matched 90 Amp Denso units out of mid nineties Dodge products. Densos have bifilar windings in parallel for stator field. If necessary, one could rewire winding in series giving 24 v operation. Also, one can modify into either Delta or Wye.
I tried Delta, but went back to original Wye because higher starting torque. I finally went to two 6 v batteries for rotor source voltages. I tried to run separate alternator driven by the washing machine motor, but starting torque too low to turn. It can't follow the rotating field which has to be spinning over 6000 rpm. The alternator is a 12 pole motor. This means the motor controller is generating a rotating field to turn a 2 pole motor 36,000 rpm!
A better design would be to spin the alternator using the modified Razor pulse motor if it has the starting torque. Or, a regular brush controlled DC motor which is a much simpler setup. Also a flywheel added to maybe push through the rpm drop when surge happens.
As I experimented, the flash of inspiration came to me that, since VARS is created by a rotating rotor in a magnetic field, what better way to to harvest the VARS then using a free wheeling rotor in a magnetic field! The logic seems to make sense.
Alterverter Ver 2, Intro on Vimeo
Since you cannot define the term INERTIA, speaking about free energy is purely a futile chicken run.
All energy is tapping the loss of true inertia.
Your incapacity to define simplex theory makes actualization of free energy an impossibility.
If you want a serious debate on 'free energy' , it will be YOU who "hangs himself"
There is no free lunch, son.
what is potential is not actual, what is actual requires a modal change in the loss of what is potential (inertia)
Your (and others) premise of FREE ENERGY is that you can grow a 40,000 pound OAK TREE from an ACORN without :
1. dirt
2. water
3. sunshine
Suggest a course in logic.
Last edited by TheoriaApophasis; 10-04-2014 at 10:06 PM.
@Mattew Jones
I mean no offense but I figured there was a 95% chance you would be the first to comment on my post harshly, you are an open book in my view from your prior posts so please do not lecture me until you take a good hard look in the mirror.
In any case my intent was to make people think, to ask the same question I had to ask myself a very long time ago. Why am I doing this?, I did the same stuff as everyone else day after day and I never got the results I wanted...why?. The answer is that fundamentally we have no idea what were dealing with... again what is magnetism?, what is electricity?, what is a field?. If your so god damn smart you tell me but I'm going to take a wild guess and say that like everyone else you have no idea where to even start, why is that?.
Have you ever wondered why you consider yourself an expert in this field but you have absolutely no coherent answers to any of the hard questions that really matter?. I did a long time ago and I found I was a fool chasing smoke and mirrors, I was everything I told myself I was not and I am no expert in any sense of the word but that's just me.
Last edited by Allcanadian; 10-04-2014 at 10:37 PM.
its a waste of time and energy.
A rock WORKS , it sits there and resists movement.
Yes, Im sure you dont understand magnetism, nobody does. (well almost nobody).
I respect you and what you have to say. I also need to vouch for Matt. I've only seen him talk about what he knows because he's actually done the work. He has posted videos of his work and documents to instruct people in their building. I've seen him offer further assistance to people who are working on projects and need a little guidance. He knows his theory, both inside and outside the classical EM theory box - again, because he's put in the bench time.
We all come at this from different angles of expertise. You possess a depth and clarity of logic, synthesis and didactic presentation that are rare in any field, and reading your work has been a gift and an education for many of us. Matt speaks from a level of solid expertise that comes from applied theory and R&D. He's respected by many here as someone who can theorize and apply in practical builds.
It's all about the work.
It is people like YOU who ruin it for everyone. You come on here and basically DARE us to post a working device just to prove you wrong. The silly thing is, we already KNOW you are wrong because of what we have seen on the bench. By posting it here, we would be giving YOU something you clearly don't deserve to have. Why would we reward YOU or any of those like you? I don't think so. At this point I would almost rather just share with the folks who have contacted Matt and I by PM, and then only with people we are pretty sure aren't YOU. LOL. Let it spread that way, by word of mouth, to people we trust and they trust, rather than show YOU squat. I suppose you might get it eventually, but at least it wouldn't be from us.
I too will be spending time working on stuff. I have a driver board to finish soldering. It's what I need to run my 12 coil motor/generator. We are building things. Mostly, they don't work, and that can be depressing day after day. But after all this time of things not working, we have figured a few things out, so now we have some things that DO work. You go from COP>1 to COP>2 to COP>6, and you realize that there ARE some things you can do and ways of making things that actually work. And you want to share. But that is an urge easily controlled.
Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.
Bernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist
Last edited by Turion; 10-05-2014 at 04:21 AM.
Yet wont show other this supposed cloud walking Unicorn.
how typical.
You and a few others speak like those in a cult who have a magic device, or a secret chant that produces supernatural phenomena.
You speak of the OCCULT, not of science .
Lets see this occult device of which and your fellow speaks.
Until then, its mere lip flapping.
Since you nor your pal can even DEFINE the term inertia, the source of ANY and ALL energy, .....then any claims that you have 'cracked the code' are absurd at best.
Last edited by TheoriaApophasis; 10-05-2014 at 03:54 AM.
Pardon, I didnt know this was the thread for discussing occult devices that are top-secret magic power producing inventions.
I thought this was a non-fictional thread, my error entirely.
I HAVE rewarded myself with my device. I spent a lot of money and a lot of time, and it is there on my bench. I have pictures and video and everything. But you know what? I don't need any of those things because I have the actual device. I can touch it. But more importantly, I can use it.
But if you think I am going to share something with YOU that I have worked THAT hard and long for when you act the way you do, you are smoking crack. I'm 60 years old. I have three Masters Degrees. I have a wife who loves me, kids, and grandkids. I have three dogs who drive me crazy. I don't have to prove anything to anybody but myself, and certainly not to YOU. LOL
My youngest son is an electrical engineer. He has seen things working on my bench that he doesn't understand because they didn't teach him everything in school, and he went to one of the best engineering schools in the country. We have some wonderful discussions, because he is as skeptical as they come, but it's hard to deny what your OWN instruments tell you.
This isn't just a hobby with me, it is my full time job. I retired 7 years ago and working on this stuff is what keeps me going. I am terribly busy at the moment remodeling my home to sell it, remodeling the house we are moving into for the short term, and building our retirement home, but I am setting up shop at the new house in a couple weeks, and will be building some prototypes. Maybe I will video one of the top-secret magic power producing inventions to see if TA can figure out how I am faking it, but probably not. LOL
You see, you can't get me riled up. You can insult your little head off and all I will do is laugh. And you know why? Because I have something that works, and all you have is a crappy attitude and a big vocabulary. It makes me chuckle.
People like you who remain anonymous and hide behind their little screen name while they lash out at people are of no consequence to me. You might piss Matt off but you just make me laugh.
Advances are made by answering questions. Discoveries are made by questioning answers.
Bernhard Haisch, Astrophysicist
I see you're trying to convince yourself, not me.
Master degrees mean nothing other than a great willingness to regurgitate nonsense someone else said or wrote before you, and pass tests and reword the same stuff that was shoved down your gullet.
Wisdom cannot be taught, not intuitive creativity. At the age of 60, one might assume (incorrectly) that you would have learned that by now.
You make claims about devices, but will not produce it?
Go patent it then and then show everyone this magical Unicorn device.
DO you have any model numbers on either the Denso alternator or the squirrel cage motor? I have been running my generator with the little Razor Scooter pulse motor. Burnt up a couple trying to break the magnetic lock.
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Kip Hanson is a contributing editor for Cutting Tool Engineering magazine. Originally Published: September 12, 2017 - 3:00pm
Shopping for a machining center was simpler when buyers had only two basic spindle choices: CAT or BT. Both of these "steep tapers" have an angle of 3.5 in./ft., or 7" in 24" (7/24), and are based on the 1927 patent by Kearney & Trecker Corp., Brown & Sharpe Manufacturing Co. and Cincinnati Milling Machine Co.
With the development of automatic toolchangers in the late 1960s, machine tool builders in Japan modified the patented design and invented the BT standard. In the 1970s, tractor manufacturer Caterpillar Inc., Peoria, Ill., changed things again with a flange design now known as CAT, or V-flange.
"Sticking" Together
During the late '80s, machine tool builders began offering vertical and horizontal CNC mills with spindle speeds higher than the 6,000 to 8,000 rpm common at the time. As rpm increased, so did problems with steep-taper toolholders.
Chief among them is the tendency for the mating spindle and toolholder tapers to stick together. This is caused by the expansion of the spindle housing at high speeds, which allows the toolholder to be pulled upward into the spindle taper, jamming it in place.
HSK spindles, like the one shown in the illustration below, offer advantages steep-taper styles can't.
One way to eliminate this problem is by extending the toolholder flange upward, thus creating a hard stop against the spindle face and preventing further Z-axis movement.
This is the approach taken by BIG KAISER Precision Tooling Inc., Hoffman Estates, Ill. Jack Burley, vice president of sales and engineering, said the BIG-PLUS system—developed in 1992 by BIG Daishowa Seiki Co. Ltd., Osaka, Japan—relies on a bit of elastic deformation in the spindle to provide dual points of toolholder contact at its face and taper, eliminating upward holder movement as the spindle expands.
He said it's also more rigid, with tests showing that the deflection on a CV40 BIG-PLUS toolholder measured at 70mm (2.755") from the spindle face is only 60µm (0.002") when subjected to 500kg (1,102 lbs.) of radial force, roughly half that of a traditional V-flange toolholder.
"There are now roughly 150 machine builders that either offer BIG-PLUS or have it as a standard," Burley said. "The beauty of the system is that it can use either standard toolholders or BIG-PLUS interchangeably. So for drilling and reaming work, you can use a conventional collet chuck, but for heavy milling cuts or profiling operations at higher spindle speeds, BIG-PLUS improves accuracy and tool life."
Revving Up
Burley does not recommend BIG-PLUS for older machines that have never seen these toolholders, because CAT and BT taper-only contact holders tend to bellmouth the spindle over time, leading to undesirable results.
BIG-PLUS, like any dual-contact toolholder, requires particular attention to cleanliness, as chips caught between the spindle face and the toolholder can cause serious problems.
He also recommends staying below 30,000 rpm when using 40-taper holders, noting that higher speeds are better handled by HSK spindles and holders.
Keep It Clean
Bill Popoli, president of IBAG North America, North Haven, Conn., said the company started building steep-taper spindles in the late '80s, but 95 percent of its work has since transitioned to HSK spindles. As mentioned earlier, the extreme accuracy needed to guarantee near-simultaneous contact between the spindle face and taper is challenging, requiring micron-level tolerances in toolholder and spindle alike.
These requirements were impossible to meet when steep taper was first developed, Popoli said, resulting in looser standards overall for CAT and BT spindles than the ones applied to HSK spindles and toolholders. Because of this, purchasing an HSK or equivalent toolholder automatically makes one "part of the club" when it comes to balance, accuracy, repeatability and tool life.
That's not to say, however, that shops firmly married to steep tapers should settle for less. Popoli recommends purchasing the highest-quality tooling possible and paying close attention to the stated tolerance.
Always stay below 20,000 rpm with 40-taper holders, and reach no more than 30,000 rpm with 30-taper ones. Use balanced holders and high-quality retention knobs that have been properly torqued—otherwise distortion at the small end of the taper may occur. And whatever the taper type, keep the spindle and toolholder clean at all times.
Bob Freitag agreed. The manager of application engineering at Minneapolis-based metalworking products and services provider Productivity Inc. said the lines are evenly split between traditional 40- and 50-taper CAT or BT tooling (much of which is BIG-PLUS) and HSK.
"It really depends on the application," Freitag said. "Most of our die and mold machines in the 20,000- to 30,000-rpm range will have an HSK63A or HSK63F. When you get up around 45,000 rpm, you're probably looking at an HSK32. But in horizontal machining centers and lower-rpm, high-torque verticals, you'll see mostly steep tapers, as this is generally preferred for deep depths of cut and lower feed rates, where you're removing a lot of material at once."
For shops that want to make the leap to an HSK machine but are leery of investing in new toolholders, Freitag advised:
"Anytime you buy a new machine, you should buy new toolholders to go with it. If not, the imperfections of the old toolholders will soon transfer themselves to the spindle on the new machine."
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To get the maximize life our of your Steep taper rotary toolholders in your CNC milling machines here are some of the best practices you can implement in your shop. Perhaps not all of them can be implemented every day or every time but it's well worth being aware of how to best protect your investment.
AT3 Taper Tolerances
As the CNC manufacturing industry continues to grow we're meeting more and more new people coming into our industry. Although many experienced machinists have lots of knowledge, we're finding that the new people are asking questions about some things that may be common knowledge to the old hands. One of the questions relates to "Why the heck is the cone on the toolholder the angle that it is?" We're here to help answer that....
By now, many have undoubtedly heard that most steep taper (CAT, BT) Toolholders hold an AT3 taper tolerance or better. So what exactly is AT3?
Steep Taper, Fast Tapers & Locking Tapers
Before we get into the tolerance and specs it's important to understand that there are basically two classes of tapers:
Since Toolholders have to be automatically changed in the CNC machine you want them to be as close to a locking taper as possible (8°/side) without, well, 'locking' in place (7°/side)! This is also the reason the ER/DR style collets also are made to an 8°/side angle as well by-the-way.
What is AT3?
That brings us to the "AT" standard for steep tapers. "AT" is an ANSI/ASME (ASME B5.50-1994) and ISO Standard (ISO 1947 ) that runs from AT1 to AT11. Since the AT tolerance is essentially logarithmic, the lower the number the tighter the tolerance (and harder it is to 'hit' in manufacturing). In other words the difference between AT 3 and AT4 is NOT the same increase in tolerance as between AT3 and AT2. AT3 is harder to attain than AT4 and AT 2 is substantially harder to reach than the jump from AT 4 to AT3. Again, the lower the number, the tighter the 'self releasing' tolerance.
Most CNC Machines steep taper spindles are made to an AT2 Specification. In order to stay competitive most all toolholder manufacturers are holding an AT3 tolerance (or better). Because there are much fewer spindles made than rotary toolholders this makes manufacturing sense. The key words here to pay attention to is "or better" Just like when you make parts in your shop to a tolerance, that doesn't mean that every part is exactly the same. The parts are within a tolerance band. That's what the "AT" defines! So when a toolholder manufacturer says "AT3 or better" that can mean that some of the holders are actually holding an AT2 tolerance... and this is sometimes the cause of the tolholders 'sticking' in the spindle:Not because they are out of tolerance, but because they are actually holding a closer tolerance! (...nearer a locking taper)
By-the-way, most all steep taper toolholders are made from some derivative of 8620 steel and then case hardened.
Food for thought
So although most people think that the drive dogs on the spindle are doing the 'driving' of the rotation of the toolholder, it's actually the taper connection that is driving the rotation of the tool. If that wasn't the case, then you would see the drive dog notches in the toolholder start to show signs of wear when the spindle impacted them all the time. Afterall, the 8620 is only case hardened.
There are a couple of last things to make note of and think about:
So if you over tighten your retention knob (pull stud) it can expand the smaller part of the taper.
Advantages of the ER Collet System
The ER collet system has several advantages when using today's CNC computerized milling machines. The most significant advantage is flexibility to hold any type of round shank tool. An ER collet can be used in drilling, reaming, and tapping as well as milling applications just by exchanging the collet. Its accuracy also provides greater tool life than older style collet systems like TG or DA.
Another advantage is the flexibility of the collet for clamping a wide range of tool shanks with a small number of collets. ER 16 through ER 40 provide a collapse range of ~.039" flexibility for clamping cutting tools. This is a benefit for you because you will not have to carry as many collets in inventory for the different jobs you need to do each day.
The ER collet also provides more holding power by using two principles.
In addition to mechanical differences, the ER collet is also user friendly. It is a self-extracting collet, which eliminates the need for collet squeezers to extract the collet by any other means than screwing the nut off. This enables the operator to spend time running the machine, not extracting collets.
These basic principles allow the ER collet system to be the most widely accepted collet system in the world for holding round shank cutting tools.
ER style collet chucks should be used for the bulk of your needs. They are the most dependable, with the least runout, both in and out of the cut, are readily available (so the prices continue to drop) and will give you the best tool life out of the lot of them
Determining if toolholder components need to be replaced is not a difficult task, but does require that the operator knows what to look for. Here's a few things you should be aware of when checking your rotary toolholders.
A worn out toolholder will not provide good accuracy and will quickly wear out your cutting tools. Worn tooling can also cause poor surface finish, and may even damage your spindle.
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