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Zeroth404, 6 Jul 2006 @ 10:35amI'll use it.
tom, 6 Jul 2006 @ 10:45am
goopali have used paypal since 1999, and would gladly use google checout instead if it were offered in as many places. paypal is cool, but having is hooked up to my bank account is a little unnerving.
Chris G, 6 Jul 2006 @ 10:49amIf Microsoft were to do somethign this proposterous, they would be sued left and right by every company with anything less than hot coffee spilt on their lap to use against them. Ebay tries to monopolize and it's "ok".
Hypocrits, the whole world.
Meoip, 6 Jul 2006 @ 11:40am
I'll sueI'll sue ebay for this and force them to put the settlement into my Google checkout account.
Jared, 27 Jun 2008 @ 2:10pm
Re: I'll sueLOL! That's the greatest comment on this whole board.
Mike, 6 Jul 2006 @ 11:41amI agree, I HATE having Paypal hooked to my bank account......
dugu, 11 Oct 2006 @ 3:40pm
Re:have you signed up for google checkout? it's the same thing. Your bank account needs to be hooked.
Peet McKimmie (profile), 6 Jul 2006 @ 11:45am
Weren't Micro$oft buying eBay?What happened to that, then?
graham, 6 Jul 2006 @ 2:43pm
Re: Weren't Micro$oft buying eBay?eeurgh!!! if M$ bought ebay, I couldn't allow myself to buy ANYTHING non-consumable at all.
wow, scary thought.
Anonymous Coward, 6 Jul 2006 @ 11:46amPaypal sucks! No really, i read it on the intraweb www.paypalsucks.com
Sami, 6 Jul 2006 @ 11:46amPayPal is hardly trustworthy. They have a substantial historical track record of holding people's money indefinately with no explanation and nearly no assistance.
I welcome Google checkout as an altertative to PayPal. I can't wait until more sites start to accept it.
Mousky, 6 Jul 2006 @ 6:54pm
Re:Care to cite your source that PayPal has a "substantial historical track record of holding people's money indefinately"? I have used PayPal to make and receive payments and have never had any payments held by PayPal. Until you post some solid evidence, I call BS.
Sam, 6 Jul 2006 @ 11:52am
eBay bans Google CheckoutThey did it because they CAN. And why not? Since they own/are PayPal - why allow the competetion in right from the start?
Google is BIG. eBay and PayPal are BIG, too.
Trust me, eBay will throw its weight around as long as it can - but they do have a point, Google's Checkout is NEW and they don't have a track record yet.
On the other hand, a LOT of us have heard the horror stories regarding PayPal, and their own, "substantial historical track record of providing safe and reliable financial and/or banking related services" are just questionable.
Hurry. Go buy the domain CheckoutSucks, GoogleCheckoutSucks if someone else hasn't already beat you to the punch.
PayPal is NOT a financial institution or a bank.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
David, 23 Sep 2006 @ 3:20am
Re: eBay bans Google CheckoutHello - this service is not new - as they do have a long track record in payment from their adsense and adwords program. Plus they had an official audit done as required by law and they passed their audit. You can't tell me that if someone like KPMG comes in an give you an OK with their audit, that they are not safe - give me a break
Ebay and Paypal suck - and finally Google is steping up to the bat and hopefully sooner our later we won't have to pay out the ass on comissions to use their services.
Good job Google!
drinkmorejava, 6 Jul 2006 @ 11:54amDidn't google just say like two days ago that they wouldn't tolerate telecoms giving their video services priority and wouldn't have a problem sending off anti-trust lawsuits. I have a feeling this is somewhere along the same lines.
matt, 6 Jul 2006 @ 11:55am
Checkout != PaypalCheckout is not an alternative to paypal at all. All it does it handle credit cards. You can accepts payments or send money to people.
Checkout really doesn't do anything like Paypal at all.
JR, 6 Jul 2006 @ 11:58am
Re: Checkout != PaypalCheckout is like PayPal in the way it allows you to pay for things through a third party "solution."
Some solutions aren't answers.
Lawsuit coming down the pike, baby!
Matt, 6 Jul 2006 @ 11:58am
PayPal sucks but now we have a choicePaypal does suck, verified buyers or not, they file a fake complaint and ops there goes your money back to the buyer. I hope Google is more respectful and does investigate buyers and sellers more carefully (i.e not based $$ revenue based income, just because we can fee doesn't mean you can!).
garrett, 6 Jul 2006 @ 11:59amI don't believe it's eBay's place to determine if Google is 'trustworthy' enough. If there was another competitor out there that was less of a threat in eBay's eyes I'm sure they wouldn't have banned them. No, the problem here is that Google has a history of creating reliable, innovative and just plain better products when they embark on an initiative. eBay is scared. To be honest I think PayPal could benefit from some REAL competition. News like this makes me want to support companies like Google.
And as has already been mentioned, PayPal hardly has a CLEAN record when it comes to securing their customer's data. Just my 2 cents
WebmanGA, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:00pmI had people try twice to hack my PAyPal account...hardly 100% secure
Brad Jankins, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:03pmFeeBay is all about the cash, just ask the sellers there. And, their right arm - PayPal is making them BUCKS. Big bucks.
Competition? So far no one has been able to sucessfully compete with monolithic eBay.
Anyone trying to compete with PayPal hasn't been as scary to them as Google is.
Mousky, 6 Jul 2006 @ 7:01pm
Re:This is a typical narrow viewpoint of competition. Sure, eBay dominates the online auction sector, but they have plenty of competition from online retailers, brick and mortar retailers, yard/garage sales, online bulletin boards at work and so on.
NoPayPalAtAll, 13 Jul 2006 @ 7:46pm
Re: Re:I'll pitch in as well regarding PayPal...
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Since PayPal is NOT a bank, they do not need to follow federal banking regulations. These regulations are in place to help the "Average Joe" avoid issues like having their bank account frozen for 6 months with no explanation...(Imagine if your bank was permitted to do that!)
Because PayPal is not regulated in the same way as a Real Merchant Account, Paypal accounts are frozen for almost anything and without warning. The account can usually receive money while it is frozen, but it certainly cannot withdrawal money. Once an account is frozen, the funds are often held by PayPal for months on end with Absolutely No Recourse for the merchant.
Merchants finding themselves on the wrong end of a frozen Paypal account will still have to find some way to pay their obligations and fill orders for the weeks and months while the account is restricted. A domino effect occurs when a merchant's account is frozen, leaving them with No Means To Fill Orders. Those orders are then disputed by customers, creating more chargebacks and the illusion of fraudulent activity on the part of the merchant.
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PayPal reverses payments to suppliers, puts money in buyers account, then locks buyer account
VERY Good Compilation of Issues with PayPal
Auctionbytes recently did a survey of sellers and this little tidbit was among the results: "10% of sellers have had a buyer do a chargeback on a purchase when using an online payment service, and 8% of sellers have had their account frozen by an online payment service due to a problem buyer or by error." As cynical about payment service as I am, these numbers scared even me. I would never have guessed that the problems were this bad. Even a 1% rate would be bad enough. Would you open an account with a bank that said, "We routinely shut down 1% of our accounts with no warning for security reasons"? Would you open a store where the landlord has the right to lock you out of your own store for weeks on an unsubstantiated complaint, even if he only did this 1% of the time? Why are sellers entrusting their entire business to a heavy-handed "partner" whose actions violate every rule of business management or ethics?
Class action together for Canadians who have been victimized by Paypal. I'm literally going to be evicted because they put my funds on hold - and I know others have been put in horrible situations.
Remove Bank Account - Deposit never showed
Direct Debit Indemnity - PayPal withdraw funds without consent
Filing Under EFTA for unauthorized freezing of funds, RE: lawsuit
Block PayPal ACH - Breach of DPA and FSA Regulations, file for fraud if PayPal removes money
Since they are NOT regulated like a bank the can "try" but NOT legally come after you.
At the time PayPal decided they were going to take these fees, I had started a transfer of money from my PayPal account to my bank account - they stopped that transaction part way through so that they would be sure of getting their fees - this in turn is causing me hardship as i now have to wait longer for the remaining funds to arrive at my bank account. PayPal seem to be a law unto themselves. We are about to contact the FSA regarding this matter.
After sending letter from attorney, PayPal turned hostile against seller
PayPals collection attempts are as obfuscated, unethical and underhanded as their convoluted U[ser]A[greement]... and they know it.
Close your bank account and open another, or file a document with your bank disallowing PayPal to take money out of yuor account. You do not need to go to another bank - but you are right, get the money out of that account pronto!
Filed complaints with the BBB, FTC, Consumer Fraud Center & CA Attorney General.
Your money is only safe if you close your bank and credit card accounts on file with them.
PayPal debits money from an account not even on their system
Paypal is a haven to protect crooks and rob the common man. They treat crooks like Gods and honest people like dirt. Paypal has no corcern with people being ripped off as long as they get their cut of the pie. I was ripped off for $122.00 and they froze my paypal account with my money tied up in it, they have asked me for every thing but a urine sample.
Paypal screwed me that i almost got evicted. i was and still am counting on that money so i need all the help i can get. paypal told me i hade to wait 6 months before i can do anything with my money. so please help me out in this matter. thanks so much for this website.
The safest way to ensure that PP can't take money out of her bank account is to close the account and any credit and debit cards she had on the ebay and PP accounts.
Paypal did this to 3 people I know including myself it is due to high volume accounts. Paypal will freeze your account for up to 6 months and they will ask you for endless documents just as an excuse to lock the funds (you do realize meanwhile they reinvest those locked funds). They wanted contact info for my suppliers, and all types of sensitive personal information after that. Sorry to say man, but you are ****ed, they will drag this out for 6 months then they will close your account at the end, its unavoidable.
closing your bank account and credit card that is on your Paypal is the safest way to go
Open a free checking to be attached to the PP account only. Always transfer the money to your free cheking acct that is connected to PP. Do not use this account for anything else just use it as a temporary holding account. Once the funds are into this account transfer them to another account that is not in any way connected to PP. This is the safest way I have found at the moment.
Be thankful you emptied your paypal account when you did - a lot of us weren't so lucky. To be ultra safe from them if I was you i'd cancel (or report lost) all credit cards linked to paypal and close the bank account linked to them (if you had one linked). Also delete or change any info you have registered with them (like address, or telephone numbers etc).
NEVER LEAVE MONEY IN YOUR PP ACCOUNT. They can not be trusted and may keep your money for up to 180 days or more as they are NOT regulated like a bank.
Another usual case of frozen/limited accounts and extortion from PayPal
Withdraw it [money] as it comes in and 5100 was on its way to my bank account and paypal stopped it and froze my account
It should be noted that many issues PAYPAL and eBay cause are of for lack of a better way to put it of questionable legality.
I sold my pc on eBay for around $1200 and once I recieved the payment via paypal I tried to transfer the money to my banck account and paypal stopped it
I recommend withdrawing ALL your money from PayPal NOW (at the rate of less than US$2000 per day) because PayPal have a very high tendency to decide that they want to keep your money for some real or imagined reason.)
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Howard, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:05pm
I wonder...I think I'll try putting both PayPal and Google Checkout on my website (violin and accessory sales), and make the Google Checkout a little cheaper.
Enough people leave ebay over this (most of the stuff listed on ebay isn't really suited to auction-style listings anyway), and they will relent. Either that, or Google will sue them for anti-trust (although that would take years, it could ultimately be the end of ebay).
durtgurl, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:35pm
Re: I wonder..."I think I'll try putting both PayPal and Google Checkout on my website..."
This is exactly the reason why eBay is banning Checkout... It says in the eBay user agreement that you cannot charge more for a product simply because someone uses PayPal to buy it. It seems logical that people will do this on their own sites, so by keeping Checkout off of eBay, they prevent the whole-hearted switch based solely on pricing.
sowhat, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:08pm
Google auctionIt is time for Google to start an auction site that can compete with ebay!!! I am sick of paypal and ebay!
Todd Gilbert, 23 Apr 2007 @ 3:52pm
Re: Google auctionAmen to this comment. When Google rolls out an auction site watch the marathn that will ensue. People will leave Ebay in an instant. Their constant price gouging, non-existent customer service, excuses for issues that they self-create to justify why they kick you off. They only want you off if you are s mall player or take too much of their bandwidth selling smaller priced items. They have no competition yet! Yet! Watch what happens when Google shows up and they WILL be showing up.
eBay user, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:08pmeBay may as well grab its Corporate ankles and allow fair competition. The problem is they've sat in a high and mighty place for so long they've become an island unto themselves.
Come on Goog. Give the masses an alternative auction format, less fees and bull and frame your Checkout proudly.
pangolin, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:08pm
Isn't Google Checkout also linkedSo if you are a seller using Google Checkout isn't it linked to your checking account in order to pay you?
alternatives are FAB!, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:12pmYES agreed. If Google created an auction format site, lots of people will jump ebays ship.
Go GOOGLE. You can do it. Of all the companies alive you surely could as you have all of the human resources in place to make it happen and improve it.
Goodbye ebay.
Matt, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:12pmIf it's like Adsense I'll take the monthly check any time over having it hitched to my checking account.
One Eyed Jack, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:19pm
Feebay SucksI agree, Google should purchase the site LiveDeal.com and bury ebay once and for all...
Idiots????, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:22pm
Ok???So half you are pissed because ebay won't accept Google checkout? Well do they not have the right to use any type of payment system they want? How about all the retail store who do not take American Express? Or the ones who will only accept Discover Card? What about places who will not accept Checks but will accept your check card? Bottom line thats their right to do so and if you don't like it shop somewhere else. By the way I don't ebay!
A.C., 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:30pm
Re: Ok???That's not really the same argument because eBay is simply a marketplace for individual users it should be up to the individual seller to decide how you may pay. (This IS how it is.) For example as a seller I can refuse to use paypal and request check. What eBay has done is say 'As a seller you can't accept this payment method'. Which I believe might be a first. I know they have rules like 'you can't only accept money orders' but I do not recall a rule banning any specific payment method. This is room for an anti-competitive lawsuit.
This will be short lived, I recommend everyone with a seller account contact ebay and requesting google checkout be allowed. If nothing else it will keep their support busy.
LOL at the REAL idiot, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:41pm
Re: Ok???There goes the eBay staff again...
Comboman, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:51pm
Flawed analogyWell do they not have the right to use any type of payment system they want? How about all the retail store who do not take American Express?
The problem is, eBay is not like a retail store, when you shop on eBay you are not actually buying anything from eBay; the individual sellers on eBay are like retail stores. They should be able to accept or not accept whatever form of payment they want (and other than Google checkout, they can; not all eBay sellers accept Paypal, and many accept it but prefer money orders/bank transfers/etc, even offering discounts for other methods of payment). A better analogy would be the owner of a shopping mall saying no stores in the mall can accept American Express but they are free to accept or deny any other form of payment they wish.
Fred K, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:54pm
Re: Flawed analogyIt's eBay's baby - and because they are-own PayPal they can do whatever they want, and they are. Clearly.
In the auction format they take a "hands off" approach mostly when there are problems and want the people involved to "work it out" because they always claim that they represent and created the forum that brings strangers together to make the deals. Essentially it becomes you problem.
"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for
people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
-Noam Chomsky
Rogue Leader X, 6 Jul 2006 @ 1:13pm
Re: Ok???"Well do they not have the right to use any type of payment system they want?"
This isn't the question, the question is do they have the right to dicate how paying users of their services accept payment. As they've done this for years, I doubt many ebay sellers are surprised. I'll be more interested to see if Google says on the 'do not use' list for more than 60 months or a year. How long does it take to establish a 'proven trackrecord?'
Smart Guy, 10 Jul 2006 @ 7:50am
Re: Ok???Ummm.. Hey Sherlock. I guess we now know who the idiot is. eBay are not the seller so they shouldn't get to choose the payment method.
Yes, retail store can choose what payment methods they accept but the Mall they are located in can't prevent them from taking Visa, M/C or AMEX.
eBay is essentially an online mall except it's an auction format. eBay sells nothing stupid!
Maybe you should think before you open your mouth!
Unknown, 13 Jul 2006 @ 7:40pm
Re: Ok???YOU'RE the one that's an idiot! eBay is akin to a classified ad system. They have NO say on what type of payments the person who posted the ad should accept! Your argument of the retail store is flawed. The store is NOT eBay, the store is the person LISTING the item! THEY are the ones who dictate what payments they accept. Idiot.
In reply to:
So half you are pissed because ebay won't accept Google checkout? Well do they not have the right to use any type of payment system they want? How about all the retail store who do not take American Express? Or the ones who will only accept Discover Card? What about places who will not accept Checks but will accept your check card? Bottom line thats their right to do so and if you don't like it shop somewhere else. By the way I don't ebay!
Fuzzhead, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:28pm
eBay using Differentiation as business strategyOf course eBay is concerned. They should be. I don't think it's an invalid excuse, rather eBay is trying to reaffirm with their users that their PayPal service has a proven track record, and they are secure and trust-worthy. If a user is making a purchase, I think these are key components in their decision making process as to what service to select for purchases.
My Two Cents, Fuzzhead =8^)
Matt Thomas, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:33pm
Google vs PayPalI have had PayPal since 1995, They have always provided me with good services, but there are always the stories of people having accounts locked out. Sometimes the accounts were locked out for good, leaving all funds in the account lost.
I have also used google for many features, such as Google AdWords, and profited off of it. So I trust google to get me my money. Never was a check late, never were my funds held agianst the legal agreements.
Overall, I do prefer the google agreement policies, so I would have to side with them.
--I'm the guy that reads the agreements that you click past all the time, and on weekends, I read the fine print at the bottom of TV commercials... "Hey, It's a living"
Vibeulator, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:39pm
RetaliationCouldn't Google simply retaliate by excluding eBay from their search results, or by forcing a lower PageRank for any URLs that contain the eBay domain name?
Mousky, 6 Jul 2006 @ 7:10pm
Re: RetaliationSince eBay is the dominant online auction house, it is unliklely that excluding eBay from search results or manipulating PageRank would hurt eBay. If anything, it would likely hurt the thousands of merchants who rely on eBay to earn a living.
Sly, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:40pm
Don't shop there...If you don't like something that a ebay is doing, don't shop there. There's many other places to get "deals" on stuff. There's Froogle.com, mySimon.com, Shopping.com (and eBay company), etc.
I agree that Google or someone else should create a better Auction than eBay.
Jerry, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:47pm
Re: Don't shop there...Hell YES Google could do a far better job of competing with ebay than anyone else. They have the resources.
It's a great idea for Google to ban ebay from the search terms in "retail"liation.
Especially from Froogle LOL sorta like when we "ban" exports and imports from countries for whatever reasons... can't think of the word!
Sam, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:48pmI'd love to see Google and eBay go head to head like some have suggested!
drinkmorejava, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:54pmDidn't google just say like two days ago that they wouldn't tolerate telecoms giving their video services priority and wouldn't have a problem sending off anti-trust lawsuits. I have a feeling this is somewhere along the same lines.
Ron John, 6 Jul 2006 @ 12:58pm
Re:Go get 'em Google.
Mousky, 6 Jul 2006 @ 7:12pm
Re:I have a feeling you are wrong. Besides, filing an anti-trust lawsuit is one thing. Winning it is another. In the end it's the consumer that gets screwed.
Dave, 6 Jul 2006 @ 1:00pm
Oh, sure, I believe Ebay.That's pretty funny that Ebay would invoke trustworthiness in rejecting Google Cash. It's just incredibly obvious that they're worried about competition, and they have to explain why they cut competitors out, so they make up some BS. Standard corporate procedure.
I don't see how they could enforce this anyway. Many sites simply direct you to their website to pay with your credit card, and they could have anything on their own website.
I do use Ebay and Paypal, but I would prefer to have more alternatives, not fewer. I have read paypalsucks.com, and it's pretty grim. I'd recommend checking that out even if you plan to continue using Paypal.
Chris, 6 Jul 2006 @ 1:04pm
Into GooBay or EoogleOk, EBay throws its weight around. Google answers with its own version of an online auction house. Oh, but wait. It ties to Google checkout and google maps and google search and google.....
See where this is going. I may be wrong, but if I look for a car or couch or huge lamp or whatever large item I am looking to buy, I think it would be cool to see all the auctions on a map so I can choose the best shipping or arrange pickup. If I am looking for a cd, and I search google for it and I see there is an auction for it, I may want to look into it. Good job Google, your heading in the right direction. Shame on you EBay, for not recognizing the desires of your customers.
Boris, 6 Jul 2006 @ 1:14pmIf eBay was actually looking at PROVEN TRACKRECORD, they'd have to slap themselves.
Michael, 6 Jul 2006 @ 1:32pm
One problem with Google CheckOut...If you have a business that offers downloads only as your product, you cannot use GoogleCheckout. It was not designed for that, only tangible goods.
(Per GoogleCheckout Support Team)
Petréa Mitchell, 6 Jul 2006 @ 2:17pm
Think SOX
It's possible that this springs somehow from Sarbanes-Oxley. Remember that its intended purpose was not to make life difficult for IT people but to guarantee the quality of financial controls. eBay's auditor might conceivably object to a significant portion of eBay's transactions being processed by a company that just entered the financial sector last month.
(Of course, this doesn't rule out eBay also wanting to block Google Checkout because it competes with PayPal...)
BL, 6 Jul 2006 @ 2:30pm
FeeBay & PayPalI welcome the competition! eBay & PayPal got over $30k of my money last year in fees and commissions.
John, 6 Jul 2006 @ 8:59pm
What percent of online auctions go through eBay?I'm willing to bet that it's more than 90% ... which was the threshold of pain to call Microsoft a monopoly. eBay is abusing their monopoly status in one field to create a monopoly in another.
In a free market -- one without the aid and support of a monopoly -- PayPal would disappear or drastically improve their customer service.
Anonymous Coward, 7 Jul 2006 @ 4:46pmThe reasons they state for not accepting GC are exactly the reasons why I refuse to use paypal.
You can google paypal and sucks to read for yourself exactly how badly they treat everyone that makes them money vendors and buyers alike.
Now all we need is for Google to come up with an auction site & I can forget all about Ebay
Learjet, 9 Jul 2006 @ 12:15pm
GooBayIf Ebay/Paypal want to "up the ante" then so be it. Just watch how long it takes Google to introduce it's own auction service.
Let the games begin.
firemeg, 10 Jul 2006 @ 6:14pm
What ever happened to eBay being just a venue?That question has long ago become cliche'. eBay execs used it as a crutch years ago to wriggle out of any tight or uncomfortable situations that users put them in by listing questionable items or committing fraud. Now, sellers and buyers alike long for the days when it WAS a venue and not a monopolistic, controlling Big Brother out to gobble up internet capital to pad their shrinking revenue numbers.
eBay stock has been in a slow but progressive decline since winter 2004 when they took a big dump all over their sellers and raised fees by seemings astronomical percentages. CEO Meg Whitman seems to think that expanding into the furthest reaches of the solar system will increase revenue, yet eBay can't maintain a cohesive site at eBay.com.
This lack of innovation and inability to controll fraud makes eBay take a defensive stand to protect their core business. Rather than make it better, they only try to protect it from competitors. They got rid of Bidpay because it was hurting Paypal revenue, and now they prevent Google Checkout from being used. Freedoms are dwindling every day for ebay users, anyone who sells there for a living knows this.
Google should block all eBay URL's from their search results in retaliation. Trying to do research and sorting through pages of eBay results when you don't want to see them in the first place is annoying. If eBay wants to act like children, let Google do the same - It would be welcomed by many.
HYPOCRITES, 11 Jul 2006 @ 4:20pm
I can guarantee you that at the end of the day youAs the title states. You all probably will still end up using eBay. It's quite funny how you can complain that eBay is only a venue and they have no right telling you what payments you can use. And yet, if you get defrauded, you go running to eBay blaming them for what happened. I believe they are trying to do their best taking a hands off approach to how the site is run and letting the community decide what is best. But they have also implemented steps to ensure that it still remains a safe place to trade. The reasons why they are not permitting checkout at this time are pretty reasonable. You may also find it interesting to note that Google Checkout isn't backed by a financial institution. Most big online payment companies are. Meaning, if they go belly-up you still have some options
L. Blass, 13 Jul 2006 @ 12:30am
PayPal has destroyed legitimate small businessesA simple false accusation by a buyer, or the personal prejudices of "Eric" in PayPal's Acceptable Use Department may be enough to get your PayPal account permanently suspended, and have ALL of your money locked up for at least 6 months (and from what I've heard, frequently much longer).
Yes, there are all the horror stories at www.nopaypal.com, and there are those who like to say, "I've used PayPal for years without a problem," but that's the point. Once you've accumulated a substantial balance and you least expect it, PayPal can throw just about any accusation against you that they wish and you are doomed. There's no legitimate "appeal" process, what they say is the law.
My own small business was destroyed by PayPal and a signficant amount of money was locked up for 6 months and counting. They're supposed to have given my money back by now, but no dice. To make matters worse, they terminated my merchant account associated with my PayPal account and even terminated by PERSONAL PayPal account just to add some insult to injury. A merchant trying to charge my PayPal credit card was told that my card was "void."
Monopoly power allows a company such as the Nebraska-based PayPal to get so out of hand that they destroy people's livelihoods without a care or concern in the world as long as enough $$$ is rolling in.
I'm sure there are thousands of other burned sellers like myself ready to spread the gospel about Google Checkout.
Patrick, 15 Jul 2006 @ 7:21pm
the can't sue retardsebay doesn't allow over 10 other processors... it's there site then can choose who they want on it.
bob, 17 Jul 2006 @ 4:12pm
ebay sucksI hate Ebay gastapo tatics. THey are getting out of hand. next they will ask for a blood sample. How can we stop Ebay from this bad behavior? Ebay must be stopped!
Jay, 20 Jul 2006 @ 9:47pm
How does PayPal get away with it???I've been reading all the PayPal horror stories and also had my own business destroyed after PayPal locked up a substantial sum of my money for 180 days with an absurd excuse and refusal to explain their behavior other than robotically reciting rules that simply were irrelevant.
How does PayPal get away with it? Does anyone know if they're protected at high levels of government? Does anyone know whom the PayPal execs have contributed political payments? Someone needs to get to the bottom of this.
Erdbeere, 23 Jul 2006 @ 9:40pmI checked out "Google-checkout".
The overall process seems to be very easy but exactly that makes this solution very vulnerable. During checkout there was no security question to make sure that I'm indeed the owner of the Google account or the associated Credit Cards in that account. Of course I used my username and password but because there are so many Google sites, using the same username and password, it is very easy to loose your login information on a hijacking page as you might not check the url for Ad-Words or Gmail every time you log on as those services never had the possibility to shop with your Credit Card.
Now because you have one account and login information for all it is quite possible that hackers will try to get your login information from any Google service out there! Even worth is the fact that the hacker can change the password without any problem. The owner of the account might not even get any information about the password change as the e-mail is sent to the according and hijacked Gmail account.
Because of this HUGE security risk I would not recommend using Google checkout!
Please checkout the http://www.thebilliondollarpatent.com as s-registration solution that Google should have implemented in their service to make it solid and secure. This solution is requiring a third credential called TAN to make sure that ONLY the owner of that account is able to shop online even in case the account is hijacked.
I hope that everybody is aware of the security issue with Google checkout and will inform Google of a better solution!
Thanks and be safe;-)))!!
EBAY SPYIES, 23 Sep 2006 @ 12:06pm
paypalsucks, 31 Jul 2006 @ 9:33am
blah hoser crap we all know why egay banned themits cause the bltchs at egay knows that google will be the end of paypal if people used it on ebay there alot cheaper they dont LIMT accounts like fcking shitpal dose and there 1000 times safer then that pethice severice called paypal
and btw i use google on ebay every day cause ebay can suck my nuts if they then they can tell me what payment processer to use.
DNELL, 8 Dec 2006 @ 7:01am
Re: blah hoser crap we all know why egay banned thDUDE you don't know anything about business do you? Well to let you know checkout will be the same fees as paypal in about 2 years. This gimmicks are to get you to leave and go there. Once they have you the fees will rise.
Wake up and smell the coffee!
fuckebay, 31 Jul 2006 @ 9:38am
google gbay is comeing soonwell we wont have to put up with ebays shit much longer there word about google launching a free auction severice so bye bye bay they will be the ones begging google to let them accept paypal in its auction severice and by banning google off ebay is only fueling googles fire and by doing this is all the better to open a better auction site and beat ebay ass down into the ground were they belong :)
and any one who disagress like the unkonw bitch above can suck my dick :)~
DNELL, 8 Dec 2006 @ 6:58am
Google Checkout is not secure and many Bugs!Dude anyone trying google checkout is totally taking a huge risk with security and privacy. Does anyone know how long its taken PayPal to create a secure system? Years! and Google thinks they've done it in 6 months. yeah right.
PayPal has hundreds of people working in security alone. They also have an FBI department right in paypal to help combat fraud. Google has a total of 0 people in these departments.
I think google making 3 Billion a Quarter needs to spend the money on this. Otherwise company's will never support this system. I surprised its even being used during XMAS most important time of year.
Should have tested it better and after the holidays.
I'll never leave paypal, yeah the fees are higher than google checkout but I know I'm secure with PayPal. :lol:
junester, 8 Dec 2006 @ 6:57pm
Google Checkout does not checkout!The Google Checkout service is about the worst service I have ever used. They do not have ANYONE working in their so-called Customer Service department. I have been dealing with them for 8days now, trying to get info on something that I ordered and then cancelled the next day. Well, in spite of the fact that they took the money out of my account, they don't respond to e-mails or else send generic e-mails telling me how to check my order status which never says anything but IN PROGRESS. I have no f'g merchandise, no shipping or delivery info, no way to find out any of this and now I'm out $325.00!@!@! Everyone talks out it being great because they have a lot of freebies - well I wasn't offered nor did I get any freebies and I didn't want any - I just wanted the stuff I ordered or my money back, which I did not get, and they have done nothing to help!!!!
Mike, 15 Dec 2006 @ 11:47am
Google Checkout is a nightmare......Ordered from 3 different stores using Google checkout 3 weeks ago and have received 1 item. The other 2 stores claim they have never received the order even though Google Checkout shows it "In Progress". I even reordered 1 item via the store website without Google Checkout and it arrived in the mail the same day I got an e-mail from Google Checkout telling me that they couldn't process my order because the product was out of stock (if it was out of stock, how the hell was I able to order it in the first place!!@#*$&#*). The other order is still in limbo land and there is no one to talk to at Google and the store can't cancel the order because they don't have it! But if Google sends it over one day it will ship! Absolutely worthless. Reality is that you aren't paying for your product when you go through Google Checkout. It is like you are placing the order with Google and they will eventually get around to placing it with the store and you better hope they didn't run out of product. There is not a direct connection that I can see. Stay away until they fix it!
J M, 18 Dec 2006 @ 8:57am
Google Checkout: You Pay - Get NothingGoogle Checkout charges your credit card before your order ships. You might be ringing up a credit card bill and get nothing in return if the merchant does not ship your order.
I ordered an in stock item from buy.com on Dec. 6th. Google Checkout charged my credit card immediately. Buy.com never sent my order because it turns out the item is not in stock, it is on indefinite backorder. It took more than a week of contacting buy.com and Google Checkout to find out why my order never shipped.
There is a conflict in the Google Checkout Program policy and what buy.com says Google Checkout policy is.
Google Checkout Program policy:
"As a Google Checkout merchant, you're required to adhere to the Google Checkout policies at all times.
2. Order Management
b. Ship orders before charging the buyer's credit card. You may not attempt to charge the buyer's credit card until you have
shipped the order."
What buy.com says Google Checkout policy is:
"Please note that you are billed though your item has not yet shipped. This is one of the unique policies when purchasing through GoogleCheckout.
For more questions on GoogleCheckout policies, please visit our Buy.com help site. Under Pricing and Billing click on "What are my payment choices?". Then, choose Google check out or you can simply copy paste the following link in your address box:
Buy.com policy for customers not using Google Checkout:
"When will my credit card be charged? Since we don't think you should pay for your order until it is actually on its way, Buy.com will not bill you until your products, including backordered or preordered items, are actually shipped. In
the case of Music Downloads we will bill you at the time of purchase."
Google Checkout support knows that I (and many others - this is a growing problem, and not just with buy.com) have been charged for merchandise that has not been shipped and that the merchant can't even give an estimate on when the item will be available - if ever.
They have done nothing about it. The charge is on my credit card statement. I have nothing to show for it.
If Google Checkout can't be trusted to require merchants to "adhere to the Google Checkout policies at all times," why should consumers trust Google Checkout with sensitive financial and personal information at all?
They shouldn't. Period.
Don't use Google Checkout.
More than 40 unhappy Google Checkout users on Kirby Witmer's blog, "Google Checkout Flunks":
DON, 18 Dec 2006 @ 1:47pm
J M, 19 Dec 2006 @ 8:58am
Google Checkout: You Pay - Get Nothing, cont.Google Checkout responded to me:
"Thanks for bringing this to my attention, JM. All
merchants integrate Checkout in different ways,
and have unique billing and shipping policies. If you
are concerned that your order will not arrive in the
timeframe you expected you should contact the
merchant to cancel your order. I will follow up with
this merchant to make sure their policies work with ours.
My response to Google Checkout:
So, to clarify, Google Checkout does not require merchants to adhere to Google Checkout Program Policies, and expects customers using Google Checkout to risk their money by paying in advance for orders that may never be filled?
You have got to be kidding.
People who have tried to cancel their orders report that they get nowhere with this; they get no credit to their account, just the runaround. The merchant says to contact Google Checkout because they are
the ones who charged the customers account, not the merchant. Google Checkout says to contact the merchant who then says there's nothing they
can do, Google Checkout charged the customer.
When they do finally get someone willing to take responsibility for this, they are then told that it will take 5-10 business days for their refund to process. Why does it take 5-10 days for a refund when the charge was posted to their accounts immediately?
The complaints are pretty widespread and all involve the use of Google Checkout when buying from several major e-tailers.
A lot of people have just gotten fed up with this and filed a fraudulent charge complaint with their credit card companies, starting the process of a chargeback.
But, they are told it may take as much as 60 days to resolve the issue.
Some people have been socked with credit card interest for merchandise they never received because it was never shipped, and is not likely to ever ship.
Why on earth should buyers trust Google Checkout?
Either Google Checkout or the e-tailers are holding on to a lot of money for orders that were never filled and merchandise that was never shipped.
Google Checkout just throws buyers into third party payment processing hell.
This is not the "fast, convenient, and safe online shopping experience" that the Google Checkout program claims as its goal.
J M, 19 Dec 2006 @ 8:58am
Google Checkout: You Pay - Get Nothing, cont.Google Checkout responded to me:
"Thanks for bringing this to my attention, JM. All
merchants integrate Checkout in different ways,
and have unique billing and shipping policies. If you
are concerned that your order will not arrive in the
timeframe you expected you should contact the
merchant to cancel your order. I will follow up with
this merchant to make sure their policies work with ours.
My response to Google Checkout:
So, to clarify, Google Checkout does not require merchants to adhere to Google Checkout Program Policies, and expects customers using Google Checkout to risk their money by paying in advance for orders that may never be filled?
You have got to be kidding.
People who have tried to cancel their orders report that they get nowhere with this; they get no credit to their account, just the runaround. The merchant says to contact Google Checkout because they are
the ones who charged the customers account, not the merchant. Google Checkout says to contact the merchant who then says there's nothing they
can do, Google Checkout charged the customer.
When they do finally get someone willing to take responsibility for this, they are then told that it will take 5-10 business days for their refund to process. Why does it take 5-10 days for a refund when the charge was posted to their accounts immediately?
The complaints are pretty widespread and all involve the use of Google Checkout when buying from several major e-tailers.
A lot of people have just gotten fed up with this and filed a fraudulent charge complaint with their credit card companies, starting the process of a chargeback.
But, they are told it may take as much as 60 days to resolve the issue.
Some people have been socked with credit card interest for merchandise they never received because it was never shipped, and is not likely to ever ship.
Why on earth should buyers trust Google Checkout?
Either Google Checkout or the e-tailers are holding on to a lot of money for orders that were never filled and merchandise that was never shipped.
Google Checkout just throws buyers into third party payment processing hell.
This is not the "fast, convenient, and safe online shopping experience" that the Google Checkout program claims as its goal.
Pissed @ Google, 29 Dec 2006 @ 8:59am
GOOGLE CHECKOUT SUCKS!!Wow, can I tell you about my first (and only) GC purchase? What a rip! The "merchant" turned out to be bogus and I am still fighting google for a refund. I never got what I payed for and waited 3 days for a response from the GC team. When they did reply, they got my name wrong (not even close) and got everything else about my request wrong. It was a total lack of respect for me and for my situation. I have had to get Visa in the mix and file a formal complaint (and investigation) into the (so called) merchant and (sadly enough) Google. It has been over a week now and still have not heard from the merchant and have had only one half-assed attempt at communication from Google.
Very sad indeed.
Google, if you are reading this, stick to search engines. You have no business getting into this market.
I really hope that Google gets over this "TEST" of the Google Checkout system and moves on to what they do best, giving us free crap to waste time with ... oh and the maps!!
Sorry Google, I gave you a chance and you blew it, bigtime! Maybe you should spend some of those record profits on better customer support???
...end of rant...
Anonymous Coward, 6 Jan 2007 @ 7:17pm
Google CheckoutGoogle checkout has done nothing but cause problems for me and is unable to reliably store credit card information creating the appearance of a rejected card without being able to process a payment.
wally, 30 Jan 2007 @ 10:47amgoogle checkout sucks. They kept 10K and i lost everything. Even my house. Those fu*&king assholes will get whats coming to them. They rip off people everyday. Thinking they are better than everyone else.They need to take that stick out of their asses and that big umbrella they are sitting under and start running a legit business.
Hisham, 6 Mar 2007 @ 11:57am
Please help! I cancelled my purchase at GC and stiPlease help! I cancelled my purchase at GC and still no Refund.
I lost total confident over GC and their sellers. GC has sent a mail saying my order is cancelled but still I creditcard amount is not credited back in bank account....
Please help anyone with same experience....
Cyrus Damania, 14 May 2007 @ 2:28pm
Google CheckoutI ordered something from a company called Cellsf.com on April 17th, 2007. Google charged my AMEX card but today is May 14, 2007 and still no merchandise. I have sent 4 emails to the seller through checkout website but looks like no is on the other end.
Google needs to learn a lesson from Amazon.com who actually follows with a customer survey email and who actually fights for their customers with their thierd party vendors.
No more Google checkout.
Dejan, 22 May 2007 @ 12:29pm
Why google checkout sucks REAL BAD!!!!1) NO LIVE SUPPORT.
2) NO payment security. A merchant ripped me off... no answer from google or merchant. Thank God I sued a credit card.
3) Horrible interface system. Compare it to PayPal.
I am not a big fan of paypal, but google checkout does not even come close.
Ebay was right to block Google checkout, 28 Jun 2007 @ 3:32pm
They have my money, I have no product.Google checkout doesn't seem to care what happens after they get you CC#. I ordered in Nov of 2006 Still no product. Slow response from Google and form e-mails from the merchant. I need a phone number of a live customer service person.
Anonymous Coward, 6 Jul 2007 @ 6:26am
I agreeIt seems like a lot of people in a really short time have had problems with google checkout with fake/bogus sellers. I've been ripped off and will certainly will never use google checkout again.
Isaac, 12 Aug 2007 @ 9:50pm
google checkout is a MERCHANT - not a RESOLUTION SMany people seem to be confused about what google checkout is. All they do is process the credit card. Unlike paypal, who offers resolution, google checkout is the same as if you swipe your card at walmart. If your products at walmart break a day later and walmart won't let you return, who do you call? The credit card processor for walmart? Or your credit card? That answer is obvious, and the same answer goes for if you buy something with google checkout. Call your credit card. You will get a pretty much instant refund, and that vendor will have a chargeback which puts them ever closer to not being able to accept credit cards anymore.
Davey C, 26 Nov 2007 @ 1:36pm
Paypal V Google CheckoutI think that EBay's reason to ban checkout is flawed. Not only is google a big company & well known company now, but it has for the past year been offering it's services to some well known online retailers. Not only is checkout simple, its problem free.
I personally am sick & tired of having my paypal account limited every time I receive a payment from someone, just to be asked to verify my bank account, cc, name, id n so forth time & time again. My last straw with paypal was when I received £178 in a transfer, which was from a friends paypal to mine, which was money owed. My account was limited for 5 months because they requested me to verify myself, however I could not because I had already verified my cc, bank & could not verify it twice for the same account. Phone call after phone call I had with then & its like talking to a wall.
So in the end, when I had my friend send in a support ticket claiming he didn't send it, he got the money back & he withdrew it & gave it me in cash in staid, then I emailed paypal & told them to forget it & to delete my paypal account as im fed up with dealing with people who don't listen.
This was 6 months ago, now every month I get a paypal email asking me to please re activate my paypal account by verifying my data.
Wayne, 17 Mar 2008 @ 9:12am
What goes around, comes around...Google CarmaPersonally, I think think this is funny.. Google has been throwing it's weight around and hurting too many people. It's nice to see someone else have the upper hand for once.. Even if it is ebay and payapl.. Google Horror Stories
Jim D., 30 Mar 2008 @ 4:05pm
re: google checkout not safeOf course ebay is going to say crap about google checkout.
Ebay owns paypal and google is it's competitor
Google offers amazing things such as froogle for online shopping and places like amazon, ebay etc. are getting worried.
Bonanzle.com, 24 Aug 2008 @ 11:58pm
Google CheckoutWe have been using Google Checkout at Bonanzle.com for our transactions and it has been solid. We do offer paypay but find that most of our users are so fed up with eBay that they refuse paypal. Plus Google Checkout is much more reasonable, it allows more of the profits to go where they should go, to the seller!
Take care,
Mark Dorsey
Mercedes, 13 Jul 2009 @ 2:17pm
Good.Google Checkout is a horrible service. From what I understand, they are a cheap merchant's dream but a buyers nightmare. I have had nothing but a horrible experience with them.
firerant, 19 Oct 2009 @ 9:30am
Well its 10/2009 nowThree years after this blog entry and Google Checkout is still a bug-ridden pos. Ask any of their merchants, if you can find one still using it, or willing to admit they ever did.
Google has the most remarkable ability to ignore the rotting smell from it's products.
Apple Store New Orleans, 9 Jul 2011 @ 2:05pmeBay is 100% right... You cannot trust Google Checkout!
Have you been keeping up with the news? Checkout is under fire for not offering any customer support for transaction disputes and there is even a class action lawsuit in the works.
Guest, 30 Nov 2011 @ 10:28amI just made a blog post showing how to verify your PayPal without having a bank account, you can see it at http://whosthatguru.com - I just thought it might help some of the people who read your blog so why not share it
Chris, 25 Sep 2012 @ 6:01pm
Old Post Still the Same Google B.S.I do not blame ebay for not allowing Google checkout. Our company had a few customers that received the merchandise "and quickly I might add", they left bad feedback through google because they wanted something for nothing and google kept the money, closed our account and now we are stuck with bad reviews when you pull us up on google.
Niki D Kettula, 9 Dec 2012 @ 1:36pmGoogle accessed my checking and took money. I cannot find an email account to have them answer as to why. I was considering a purchase of there chrome laptop but did not authorize or continue the purchase. The amount taken was far less than the purchase would have been. How could they get into my personal banking??? So they file my account info even if a purchase is not made?? If so I wonder who else can get into my account. I am a single mother of 3 who is unemployed. I had to enter my info to be able to see what the price would actual be if I did order it because google would not inform me of shipping or tax until I did. I thought Google would be a safe place to shop or compare pricing. I WAS WRONG AND THERE SEEMS TO BE NO WAY TO FIND OUT. IM VERY CONCERNED


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Dan Barker
Dan Barker is a former Minister who is now an outspoken atheist. He is co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, and cohost of the Freethought Radio show.
His books include Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist.
He is also a musician and composer, and still receives royalties for religious songs he wrote when he was a believer.
Barker hosts the weekly radio program Freethought Radio, which was recently picked up for broadcast by Air America Radio. The program is also available as an online podcast. [1]
"The next time believers tell you that 'separation of church and state' does not appear in our founding document, tell them to stop using the word 'trinity.' The word 'trinity' appears nowhere in the bible. Neither does Rapture, or Second Coming, or Original sin. If they are still unfazed (or unphrased), by this, then add Omniscience, Omnipresence, Supernatural, Transcendence, Afterlife, Deity, Divinity, Theology, Monotheism, Missionary, Immaculate Conception, Christmas, Christianity, Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Methodist, Catholic, Pope, Cardinal, Catechism, Purgatory, Penance, Transubstantiation, Excommunication, Dogma, Chastity, Unpardonable Sin, Infallibility, Inerrancy, Incarnation, Epiphany, Sermon, Eucharist, the Lord's Prayer, Good Friday, Doubting Thomas, Advent, Sunday School, Dead Sea, Golden Rule, Moral, Morality, Ethics, Patriotism, Education, Atheism, Apostasy, Conservative (Liberal is in), Capital Punishment, Monogamy, Abortion, Pornography, Homosexual, Lesbian, Fairness, Logic, Republic, Democracy, Capitalism, Funeral, Decalogue, or Bible."
- — Losing Faith in Faith
- Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist, 1992 (ISBN 1-877733-07-5)
- Maybe Right, Maybe Wrong: A Guide for Young Thinkers, 1992 (ISBN 978-0879757311)
- Maybe Yes, Maybe No: A Guide for Young Skeptics (ISBN 978-0879756079)
External link[edit]
- Dan's Biography on the Freedom From Religion Foundation website


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A decade has elapsed since the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) confirmed that Iran had secretly built a uranium-enrichment facility. Since then, Iran and the Western powers have fumbled several opportunities to reach an agreement that reduces the risk of a nuclear-armed Iran.
Nevertheless, with more creative, US-led diplomacy, and co-operation from Tehran, a deal that guards against a nuclear-armed Iran is still within reach.
Iran apparently has not made a strategic decision to build nuclear weapons and does not yet have the necessary ingredients for an effective nuclear arsenal. But its capabilities are improving. By the end of next year, Iran could install more-advanced centrifuges and significantly increase its enriched-uranium stockpile. The time available for diplomacy must not be wasted.
Tough international sanctions have slowed Iran's program and increased pressure on Tehran to negotiate. Yet sanctions alone won't stop Iran's dangerous nuclear pursuits.
The military option would be counterproductive and costly. As a new report from an American bipartisan group of 33 former diplomats and national security experts, including Gen. Anthony Zinni and Gen. Brent Scowcroft, says, a preventive strike would only temporarily set back Iran's program and prompt Iran to openly pursue the bomb.
The goal for US negotiators must be to restrict Iran's enrichment to normal reactor-grade levels and limit its stockpiles to actual nuclear power needs, while allowing more intrusive IAEA inspections to ensure that Iran has halted all weapons-related work.
A revised proposal calling for a halt to Iran's accumulation of 20 percent-enriched uranium, which is closer to weapons grade, in exchange for relaxing some of the international oil and financial sanctions imposed on Iran, could buy time and build momentum.
Pursuing such a course is difficult, but it is the best option on the table.
Daryl G. Kimball is executive director of the independent Arms Control Association.


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GREENBELT, Md., July 20 (UPI) -- NASA, which has put three rovers on Mars since 1996's Mars Pathfinder, says it intends the Aug. 6 landing of its Curiosity rover to be the most precise yet.
The 7-minute descent of Curiosity, the heaviest rover ever, will involve a 12,000-mph plunge through the Martian atmosphere creating temperatures on its heat shield of 3,800 degrees, and end with a rocket-powered "sky crane" lowering the 1-ton rover inside Gale Crater on Mars.
"Is it crazy? Well, not so much, once you understand it," NASA's Mars program chief Doug McCuistion said. "Is it risky? Landing on Mars is always risky."
Looking for unprecedented accuracy, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration is aiming for a landing target of roughly 4 miles by 12 miles, Florida Today reported.
The accurate landing is intended to put the rover within close driving distance of Mount Sharp at the center of Gale Crater, said Pete Theisinger of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., which manages the mission.
Assuming a successful landing, the rover will have more than a week to check out its instruments before beginning its first drive, with the ultimate goal of the mission to ascend the 3.4-mile high Mount Sharp in a search for signs of past habitability on Mars.
That will take one martian year, about 689 days on Earth, Theisinger said.
"The science mission is going to proceed relatively slowly," he said.


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2015-10-05 - We're celebrating the 100,000th Bugaboo Donkey sold this month with a series of portraits highlighting the convertible stroller's best features. Part two focuses on the Bugaboo Donkey twin, and maneuvering two kids through busy Amsterdam on a journey to Museumplein, home of the city's three world-famous museums.
Going for a long walk away from your own neighborhood, and hopping on and off busy trams, could seem like quite the hassle for any parent, but not for Eveline Polderman (34), marketing manager and mother to one-year old twins Tygo and Stef. Her Bugaboo Donkey is a lifesaver when it comes to the twins , she explains: "I usually plan some activities on my day off work: hanging out with friends, or visiting the market for some shopping, going for longs walks. And the twins come with me everywhere." Today's outing takes the family out to Museumplein, a green oasis in the middle of the city surrounded by the Rijksmuseum, Stedelijk Museum and Van Gogh Museum.
Amongst the crowds of tourists and the unusually nice weather for the time of year, the boys seem intrigued by the hustle and bustle of the park. While an Ajax football club supporter practices his soccer skills on the grass, a group of teenagers sits down for a picnic overlooking the Museumplein, and tourists take turns with their selfie-sticks and the reflective façade of the sculpture outside the Stedelijk Museum. We decide to forgo the museum and stay outdoors to enjoy the sun. Stef, with his blonde hair and blue eyes, and Tygo, who has brown hair and eyes, don't immediately strike as being twins. Eveline gives them some bread sticks as a snack and explains: "Now that they are one, their individual characters are really starting to shine through; Stef is absolutely the mouthier of the two!"
We walk through the grass and past the Ravenbrück war memorial towards the Rijksmuseum. As we pass the playground where some children are playing on the swings and head for the stately gardens surrounding the museum, Eveline says: "Of course we were pretty nervous when we found out I was having twins. It's more expensive, can be a bigger risk for mum and kids, and we were living in a tiny apartment. When we realized that we would be having not one but two healthy children we walked out of the doctor's office with a huge smile!"
As we pop the boys on the ground for a short picnic among the flowers, Eveline seems surprised: "I had no idea you could use the seats without the stroller!" While Tygo and Stef enjoy their bread sticks, Eveline continues: "Having twins is definitely more work at this age than having one baby! You have to do everything twice for a start."
Eveline: "Getting them ready can be a bit of a nightmare; you'll get one dressed, then the other, then one will have taken off his socks, then the other, and so on! I can also honestly say that getting enough sleep is rare; they tend not to wake up or go back to sleep at exactly the same time. We recently went on holiday with friends who have a kid of a similar age and at the end of the week they had gotten a nice tan while we didn't really get much time to relax at all! But at the end of the day it's all worth it, I wouldn't want it any other way! "
We continue to circle around the square and hop on a tram towards the lively shopping area called the Bilderdijkstraat. After a little window shopping Eveline is keen to show us how easily her stroller fits through most doorways as she prepares to take a tram back home – the boys are due for a nap. "I really appreciate the functionalities and clean lines of the design, and yes, the Donkey will fit through most doorways! The stroller is not actually as wide as you may think, and I love the fact that the twins can see the same, as well as each other while riding around."
Eveline: "Arjen and I will sometimes take the car out of town, but when I'm on my own I tend to take public transport – which is the tram in Amsterdam – and the Donkey is light enough for me to lift in and out on my own. The small turning circle makes life on the tram a lot easier!"


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Over the years, I have purchased my craft materials from various different classes, stores and online merchants. I wanted to start a craft directory list so people can easily find the right tools and resources to get started on each craft. I will also be sharing Discounts and Coupon deals as I come across them.


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A comment on BDS and Ashtar Theatre from Ramallah
By Gilad Atzmon
In recent weeks we have seen a massive BDS campaign against Israeli Habima Theatre's participation in the Shakespeare's Festival at the Shakespeare's Globe, London.
For days British intellectuals and celebrities argued whether it is morally 'right' or 'wrong' to invite the Israeli national Theatre to Britain. The outcome was obvious and predictable. Habima's London shows sold out within hours. As it happens, the futile BDS campaign, provided Habima with the necessary public attention. At the end of the day, every reasonable thinking being would be happy to spare a few pounds and watch how the Israelis and Jews deal with The Merchant of Venice.
However, I have also learned tonight that Ashtar Theatre from Ramallah is also participating in the same London festival. Ashtar will perform Richard II but, for some reason, no one really knows anything about it. Pro- Palestinian BDS activists, so enthusiastic to ban the Israeli theatre company, did nothing to promote or support the Palestinian theatre. Consequently, Ashtar Theatre hardly sold any tickets for its London shows.
I guess that time is ripe to challenge BDS strategy. As much as I support BDS in principle, I am puzzled by the fact that a UK pro-Palestinian organization went out of its way to boycott an Israeli act -yet it did nothing to promote or help a Palestinian company visiting this country for the first time.
As an artist I find it stupid. Painful and even perhaps, sinister.
To read more about the the Globe Theatre BDS Scandal visit http://www.deliberation.info
Richard II at the Globe
Palestinian Shakespeare at the Globe.
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A new study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) indicates that a body mass index or BMI of 25-29.9 (overweight) is associated with the lowest risk of death and that class 1 obesity (BMI 30-34.9) is not associated with an increased risk of mortality. As this study hit the presses January 2nd (and I'm sure no editorial thought was given by JAMA to such a study coming out at the first of the year) when many people are thinking about weight loss resolutions, it was covered widely in the press and I read several op-eds claiming vindication for obesity. One op-ed on a major news site was indignant that CT scanners couldn't accommodate a friend (some CT scanners have difficulty accommodating patients over 300 lbs). The author's solution? Build bigger CT scanners because obesity isn't bad at all. This new study proves it.
My answer? Back the truck up.
First of all the study doesn't say that being overweight is good for you and that being an ideal weight is bad. What the study does tell us is that people who have a BMI of 35 or greater are more likely to die. This is not new information. A BMI of 35 is a lot of extra weight, depending on your height it could easily mean 70 extra pounds or more. 15% of Americans have a BMI of 35 or greater. Only people with a BMI over 35, way over 35, need bigger CT scanners. I'm not saying that severely obese people shouldn't have access to imaging studies, but the answer to the epidemic of severe obesity is not to claim vindication based on the inaccurate interpretation of one study and simply build bigger equipment.
What about the lower risk of death in the overweight and class 1 obesity groups compared with the normal BMI group? Well, this can be explained by a variety of factors:
- The wrong control group. Many researchers question whether the control group should really be a BMI of 22-24.9, not the wider range of 18.5-24.9 used in this study. The reason, many people at the thinner end of the scale are thin because of illness and this obviously skews mortality statistics.
- BMI is an imperfect tool with which to predict mortality when the result isn't one extreme (< 18.5) or the other (>34.9). This is not a new finding. BMI just looks at weight, not the proportion of weight that is muscle mass vs. fatty tissue. Many people with a normal BMI have very little muscle mass and thus are carrying around excess fat and are less healthy than their BMI suggests. There are better metrics to look at mortality risk for people who have a BMI in the 18.5-34.9 range, such as waist circumference, resting heart rate, fasting glucose, leptin levels, and even DXA scans (just to name a few). The problem is that not all these measurement tools are practical on a large-scale.
- A small amount of fat may provide an extra energy reserve for someone who becomes chronically ill, thus skewing the survival stats. For example, consider the dramatic weight loss associated with chemo…if you can't eat due to extreme nausea and you have a little extra fat then you burn fat, but if you have no fat and can't eat then you start breaking down muscle. This is a phenomenon has popped up in a few studies and definitely requires more research, because obesity is definitely associated with worse outcomes in many cancers.
- Not all fat is created equal. Belly fat, the metabolically active muffin top, is what contributes to diabetes and other inflammatory conditions. Having a few extra pounds around the middle is far worse than having a few extra pounds on the hips. Again, not new information. BMI doesn't distinguish between belly fat and thigh fat.
What is very important is that we don't take erroneous messages from this study (hello, health reporters for major news outlets looking for attention-grabbing headlines). This study says nothing more than we need better tools than BMI to assess mortality risk for people who have a body mass index between 18.5 and 34.9 and that BMI doesn't predict "ideal weight," it only tells us that extremes are bad. This study also confirms that the 15% of Americans with a BMI of 35 are at increased risk of dying prematurely, a point sadly missed by many.
Body mass index simply doesn't convey enough information to assess mortality risk for 85% of the population, but that fact (which isn't new) shouldn't stop each and every one of us from striving everyday to be the healthiest that we can be.
And with that, I'm off for my run.


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Bay Area Cabaret to Welcome Elaine Paige, 3/1
Bay Area Cabaret presents the Bay Area concert debut of Britain's dazzling Elaine Paige.Dubbed "The First Lady of Musical Theatre," Ms. Paige offers an evening of her career-defining showstoppers and standards that earned her a place among Broadway's most treasured performers. Winner of the Laurence Olivier Award for Performance of the Year in a Musical for her starring role in Evita, Ms. Paige went on to star in numerous West End musicals including Cats, Chess, Anything Goes, Piaf, and Sunset Boulevard, each of which earned her Olivier Award nominations. Her extensive credits also include The King and I, Sweeney Todd, and most recently, the critically acclaimed Broadway and Los Angeles productions of Follies. Additionally, Paige has recorded 26 albums, received an OBE for her services to Musical Theatre, and can be heard on the weekly BBC Radio 2 program Elaine Paige On Sunday, on which she interviews musical luminaries.
The concert is set for March 1, 2013 - 8pm at the Venetian Room of the Fairmont San Francisco, 950 Mason Street, atop Nob Hill, San Francisco. Tickets are $47 general/$40-45 subscribers on sale at www.bayareacabaret.org or City Box Office (415) 392-4400.For Bay Area Cabaret patrons, the Fairmont Hotel offers a delicious buffet dinner in the Laurel Court for $40 plus tax and tip, plus four hours free parking for all who dine in the Laurel Court.


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I'm a geologist who specializes in the geochemistry of weird elements, weird bacteria, and weird planets. I'm a skeptic, a blogger, a cat herder, and quite the slacker. I fight the forces of ignorance and superstition through my heroic blog, which features news and commentary from sundry fields of scientific endeavor. Also I rant.


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Years of raiding and back-seat raid organization have taught me this.
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We usualy got this with tanks :S


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WASHINGTON, Sept. 12 (UPI) -- Median household income fell for the second year in a row in 2011, the U.S. Census Bureau said Wednesday.
The median income was $50,054, down 1.5 percent from 2010, statisticians reported. Real median household income was down 8.1 percent from 2007, the year before the recession began, and 8.9 percent lower than in 1999.
The report, "Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2011," said real household income was down for both black and white households. For Hispanics and Asians, there was no statistically significant change.
The bureau also reported 46.2 million people, or 15 percent of the population, had incomes below the poverty line. That was statistically unchanged from 2010.
In 2011, 48.6 million people, or 15.7 percent of the population, had no health insurance. That was down from 50 million or 16.3 percent in 2010.


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