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1008 Woodland St, Nashville, TN | Directions 3720636.176826 -86.750805
Mon. - Thu., Sun. 11am - 11pm;Fri. - Sat. 11am - 11:30pm
Neighborhoods: Historic Edgefield
This is the second time I visited this restaurant. As always, I find the staff very helpful and the service great.
Good for Nashville, but the bar is Really Low – The chowder wasn't bad. Cole slaw was decent. The fried seafood platter that I had was something I could easily prepare for myself at home. Someone told me that the sushi is good here, but I noticed that it comes prepared out of the kitchen. NEVER EAT SUSHI IN A RESTAURANT UNLESS YOU CAN SEE IT BEING MADE. I'd go back if someone twisted my arm, but this place is pretty forgettable.
terrible food – Don't bother going here. Terrible frozen food that's as bad as it gets...
Best Seafood in Nashville – My wife and I ate here on a Sunday afternoon about 4 pm. It was not busy so we did not have to wait to be seated. There were lots to chose from on the menu.
The New England Claim chowder was really good. I had the seafood platter which was great. I did not care for the coleslaw, but I just did not like the particular flavor. I'm sure lots of people like the coleslaw they serve.
For two entries, two cups of soup, and no alcohol drinks came to less than $40. I felt the price was fair value for the food we ate.
Although I have had better seafood in towns on the coast, I have never head better seafood inland.
Meh.. – Growing up in New England, I guess I took all the fresh fish for granted. I was excited to try fish and chips here, and was greatly disappointed. I got small pieces of chewy, nasty frozen fish (fresh cod tastes GOOD, not like this) in a cornmeal batter. It's not traditional in that way. I was going to order fried clams, but I'm happy I didn't judging from the fish & chips. The chips were good though, came in a paper bag like on the pier. If you want better fish & chips, go to Dan McGuinness or Blackstone. They both have passable versions (at least the fish part).
I haven't tried their sushi, heard it is pretty good though.
Great food – I went to Battered and Fried for lunch with some coworkers. The food was excellent (I had coconut shrimp) and the service was great. A little pricey though.
awfull – I don't know where all these good reviews are comming from . Don't waste your time ,
Kroger has frozen seafood you can cook
Friendly local pub – We recently visited Batter'd and Fried for a birthday party. We enjoyed our evening. The customer service was very efficient. All the waiters were very friendly. We first started off at the bar, somewhat disappointed with the lack of beers on tap. We ordered Jalapeno Chips at the bar which were very tasty. At dinner, we ordered the Fish and Chips and Coconut Shrimp. Both dishes were very good. Unlike other neighborhood pubs that come and go, we believe Batter'd and Fried will be around for a long while.
Oysters and Haddock delight! Great service! Great place to be anytime!! – I found that the service and the friendly atmosphere by both workers and patrons made for a wonderful experience. Meeting Manager Joe made it obvious why this restaurant will stay successful for many years. Wish we had this place in Pennsylvania!
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Victoria Harbor
- Among the world's most beautiful skylines with a backdrop of Victoria Peak.
- Hong Kong has the tallest skyline in the world with two of the twenty tallest buildings in the world all in a small area around the bay.
- The very cheap ride (25 US cents) on Star Ferry across the harbor is fun and is like a poignant mini-tour of Hong Kong. For kids with little experience on boats in the ocean, the ride on boats in the harbor is a thrill.
- Wonderful and stunning views of the city and harbor area can be had in the observation decks of the tallest buildings and from Victoria Peak. During the Symphony of Lights most evenings, the view is beautiful and memorable.
The harbor is quite beautiful and is worth seeing in a tour of Hong Kong. It is a strategic location and was an important part of the British Empire. Now it plays an important part in China's foreign trade and for Hong Kong's tourism.
Victoria Harbor features on our list of The Top 10 Attractions in China.
Touring Activities
- Ride the Star Ferry: The ride costs almost nothing. The ferries pass back and forth about every 8 to 13 minutes and have two passenger levels. The view from the lower level is better. The ferry boats have an old European look.
- Enjoy the Avenue of Stars and the Symphony of Lights. Walk around and take pictures.
- See the harbor from the tall, artistically-built skyscrapers.
- Shop at the Harbour City Mall. It's Hong Kong's biggest mall.
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Four places to go for a special view of the harbor are the ICC Tower, the Avenue of Stars, Central Plaza, and Victoria Peak.
The 108-story International Commerce Center with its observation deck overlooks the harbor from astounding heights. It was finished in 2011. Its Sky100 deck is a local tourist highlight.
The Avenue of Stars is a special promenade with benches. Handprints of famous greats of the Hong Kong movie industry are inlaid. It fronts the harbor between the Star Ferry Terminal and the Hong Kong Museum of Art. It passes by the Hong Kong Cultural Center and the interesting egg-shaped dome of the Space Museum with a mockup of the front end of the Space Shuttle.
From the Avenue of Stars at dusk, you can watch the Symphony of Lights spectacle of the buildings lit up above the harbor in concert with the audio playing on the speakers behind you. No other city in the world is lit up in a concerted light and sound spectacle almost every night with lasers and skylights playing on the bottom of the clouds and colors reflecting off the wavy water.
Central Plaza is the third-tallest building in the city at 374 meters (1,227 feet) tall with 78 stories. The Hong Kong City Church meets at the top. It is known as the highest church in the world located inside a skyscraper. The chapel at the top of the building has glass walls on all sides and during services in the mornings, visitors can admire the view of both Victoria Peak and the ships passing below their feet accompanied by the great music for free.
Victoria Peak may be the most memorable place to view the harbor, especially after a half hour or hour walk through the city park above Mid-levels. If you are thirsty or hungry there is a big mall with restaurants, refreshment places and a Starbucks. The Peak Tram also goes up there, as do city buses.
Harbor Sectors
The natural harbor is quite big and long and is divided into three parts. The part most visitors see includes the area between Tsim Sha Tsui and Hong Kong Island.
The Star Ferry Terminal is located on the Tsim Sha Tsui side next to the promenade called the Avenue of Stars. Tall buildings are clustered around this part of the Harbor. The Star Ferry's pier is only about a kilometer away from Hong Kong Island.
Two miles east of this area will be a US$14,000,000,000 cruise terminal and residential and shopping complex called the Kai Tak Cruise Terminal. The first portion of this complex that is set to open in 2013 will accommodate the world's largest cruise vessels.
To the west is a large, impressive, and busy container port. The Kwai Tsing Container Port is the world's 3rd busiest container port and is in the northwestern part of the harbor. That is where much of the export wealth of Hong Kong is funneled through, and it is one of the most important ports for China.
The container port area is amazing to see if you haven't seen big ports before. See it by riding the double-decker buses along West Kowloon Highway. You can see the view better from the upper deck of these buses.
The Treaty of Nanking between China and Britain in 1843 stipulated that Hong Kong was a part of the British Empire. Victoria Harbor gradually became a major port because it was close to Canton and along the major shipping lines between Japan and Singapore.
- According to records, in 1844 only 538 ships docked there.
- From these small beginnings, by 1931 over 42,000,000 tons of cargo was shipped through.
- During the 1950s and the 1960s, Hong Kong flourished as a manufacturing center.
- In the1970s, containerized shipping allowed much faster throughput of manufactured products.
Reclamation projects have changed the look of the harbor. Now there is a major reclamation and construction project going on in Central next to the ferry piers. Tourist attractions are planned for the new venue beside the IFC Towers.
Travel Essentials
- Location: Between Kowloon and Hong Kong Island.
- MTR Trains: If you are coming from the airport, take the Airport Express MTR and get off at Hong Kong Station in Central. If you are coming from the border, you can get off at Tsim Sha Tsui station and enjoy the short walk through the crowded multicultural streets of Tsim Sha Tsui. During your walk you can maybe see faces from a hundred countries along the way.
- Best Time to Visit: There is a lot of rain in the summer, but if there isn't a storm, the weather is generally warm and pleasant. Hong Kong is still fairly warm and is drier in October and November. The Symphony of Lights starts at 8 pm if weather permits.
Nearby Attractions
Victoria Harbor is a major visitor attraction for millions of people from all over the world who visit Hong Kong each year.
Both sides of Victoria Harbor have interesting tourist attractions. Enjoy the sea breeze and tour the attractions around the harbor including great museums, free public parks, zoos and amusement areas, outstanding architecture, hiking and beautiful scenery.
Most of the favorite tourist sites are around the harbor in the Kowloon area, Hong Kong Island and Lantau. Tsim Sha Tsui has four good museums and the Hong Kong Cultural Center and can be toured in a day's tour with a guide map.
Maps and tourist information are available for free at the Star Ferry Hong Kong Tourism Board's office at the Star Ferry in TST. Without a map, the area is confusing to walk around in.
- The International Finance Center houses the glitzy and luxurious IFC Mall.
- St. John's Cathedral is near the IFC Mall.
- The Bank of China Tower is one of Hong Kong's most striking skyscrapers, and it was designed by the famous architect I.M. Pei. It is like a crystal in the sky. It was once the tallest building outside the US before the skyscraper boom began around the world in the 1990s.
- The "Golden Mile" of Nathan Road is a street for shopping with malls, Kowloon Park, and St. Andrews.
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Disneyland, Ocean Park, Repulse Bay, Aberdeen Harbor,Victoria Peak,Lantau Island,etc.are all can't missing in HK.
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After getting further information from you, I will send you a detailed itinerary, ok?Whitney Liao replied on 2014-02-12
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Thanks for your enquiry! We are glad to help you with your Hong Kong tour. We are now working on a tentative itinerary and quotation and will email it to you shortly.Candy Wei replied on 2012-12-05
Hi Cliff,
Welcome to Hong Kong! Based on your tour requirements, I have made a tentative 4-day tour package covering the scenic spots you mentioned and emailed it to you. Please check it and see how you like it. Any queries, just feel free to email me back.Candy Wei replied on 2012-10-29
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Hi all! Been a while since I started the thread. How is everyone doing? I am doing well - can't believe we are in our 5th week. Workouts going well. I am finding that I don't get nearly as sore even though I am really pushing it with the weights. My clothes are getting looser. I did finally take measurements end of Wk. 4 so I can track better moving forward. I am not really craving sweets, candy. My eating isn't perfect but at least I am not turning to really bad things. A few wheat crackers is better than a pack of Twizzlers :) Today is LBWO and I have to do it later in the day as I have an early appt. today. Still doing cardio early a.m. - those mornings still feel tough to me but I am doing it and pushing myself. I can also hold my plank position 1 min. 20 seconds! Big improvement in a month.
Tri, Loreia and everyone else - hope all is going well - please check in a post when you have time!
Hi, thought I'd stop lurking and start sharing. I, my wife and our 2 daughters started our transformation journey with you all on the 31st and whilst I've been enjoying following the checkin threads I haven't been posting.
For me, this is the first of what will be 4 to 5 challenges by the time I'm done - I have a long road to follow. The first 4 weeks have been exciting though. Personally, I'm refusing to buy into the scale and all my goals are based on measurements (doing them monthly). Coming up to the end of week 4 I was sure I was going to see a nice change because I felt so much better and could feel my clothes hanging differently but was also a little scared thinking "what if the tape doesn't tell me what I hope it will". Got my reward though - 4" off the waist and 1" each off chest, biceps and thighs. The rest of the family (who have much shorter journeys ahead than me) also had very exciting measuring days.
One of the things I've been working hardest on is visualisation. I've been overweight all my life, and all that's varied is how out of control it was - so at the same time as visualising my 12 week goals I'm trying to build an image of what my final result will be and I've started to really build a mantra in my head that I thought I'd share:
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Thankyou all for having the courage to share so far, I'm looking forward to reciprocating more.
PS Have to say I hate Thursday on double LBO weeks - had to take my cardio minute by minute this morning I'd hammered myself so hard yesterday.
Hey Mark and 12/31'ers, it's been a few days since i have posted, too. I am still going strong!!! Sticking to the program 100% Looking forward to week 8 (although this is only the mid/end of week 5) LOL. Mark, i watched a really good documentary on Netflix called Hungry for Change. Some of the things they talk about is a little extreme for me, but it is super interesting and very inspirational. Check it out if you like those types of films. Your comment about visualisation sparked my memory of that movie. They talk about it and how it is important in weight loss goals!!
Today was cardio - this is my double UBWO week. =) AND, i'm looking forward to Superbowl "FREEDAY" Sunday. LOL
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Mark, thanks for joining in! Congratulations on your inches lost - that is AWESOME!! I too somewhat dread Cardio on the double LBWO weeks. It's tough. I may have to try some mantras for that...mental game as "this will refresh me! clear my head!" that type of thing and take the focus off the tired LB muscles.
I will start a thread for us today. I love your Mantra! I am pleased I decided to read my goals daily. It is also a "mantra" for me. I put on jeans last night that used to be so uncomfortable and I went to dinner in them comfortably! I am also seeing changes in the mirror.
Tri Tri great to hear from you and sounds like you are really on track!! I will definitely check out Hungry for Change. I'm not sure if you ever saw "Supersize Me" I think it's called. Where a guy eats nothing but fast food for a month. The documented BAD changes in his body's chemical makeup and actual organs (liver etc) was remarkable AND it was an entertaining movie. Make sure you watch the "Extras" at the end. Okay - up early today, off to start the tread for today/Sat!
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A quarter will yield a small ring, size ~7 or less. You can get a larger size but the ring will be very skinny. If you want a larger size ring, a Kennedy half dollar will work well. Again, anything 1964 and earlier will be silver.
Materials needed:
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Step 1: Find a silver quarter
DO NOT buy an expensive silver coin for this, you will be destroying it.
Step 2: Start tapping
**Do your tapping when no one is around, the tapping can get very annoying to others in the nearby vicinity.**
The more you tap the faster the ring will form. I was a casual tapper, I tapped while I watched TV. My first ring took a year to finish. If you're the impatient type you can speed up the process by using a hammer and a hard surface. If you do this you risk bending or warping the coin and your finished ring will look crude and rough. The small taps of the spoon give a much smoother beveled look.
If you wait to find one in your change, it may take forever. You can buy one but it would probably cost you more than a quarter. One way to get a silver quarter for free is to use a method that coin collectors use called Coin Roll Hunting.
Basically, you go to your bank and withdraw as much money as you can in the form of quarter rolls. Take them home and look through the coins for silver ones. The more rolls you get the better your chances are of finding one. All the regular coins go back in the rolls and you can deposit them back into your account.
Good Luck!
I would try to drill the hole first, put a metal rod on the inside and use a nylon hammer to hit the quarter.
anybody know if you can use a nickel???
If you want to use a nickel this is the best way that I've found to make a ring.
I thought it was illegal to make one of these out of us money so I took a Euro coin and did it. THE EURO GIVES it a nice shine
I used a file to smooth out the ring, unfortunately you can't see the words from the quarter. I got a cool texture on part of the outside when I was trying to smooth it out with the dremal, but I couldn't replicate it on the whole thing.
Great instructable, I really enjoyed it :)
Any idea why this is happening?
"Sec. 331. Mutilation, diminution, and falsification of coins
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The "fraudulently" qualifier in that law is extremely meaningful. As in, it makes the law mean nothing near what you think it means.
Just an FYI...
Mutilating coins dates back to when they were cut and weighed and worth whatever metal they were made out of. It was a common criminal act to skim off, say, silver from a bunch of quarters (example only) and recast new coins (or whatever they liked) passing off the minimized quarter as though it were still worth 25 cents, while making a profit off of the removed portion. We no longer have a gold standard economy, so the concept is no longer legitimate. While the law hasn't been revoked, so it is possible to be prosecuted in theory, the only circumstance under which that would happen would be if a cop really wanted you for something else, but couldn't get to you. Or if you really did melt down part of a quarter, spend the rest normally, and make a profit the old fashioned way. But it'd be tough with only old coins to worth with.
Our dollar would be worth a lot more if people went around destroying money... the more scarce something is, the more it's worth. Viva la art!


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#1 2008-02-27 04:35:45
variable swapping puzzle
here's something i thought of today at school
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A logarithm is just a misspelled algorithm.
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#4 2008-02-27 06:25:14
Re: variable swapping puzzle
I was going to do inline assembly, bu then I remembered how much work it would be to look up register names and the like.
"In the real world, this would be a problem. But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist. So we'll go ahead and do that now..."
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Re: variable swapping puzzle
does this actually use less memory though?
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Re: variable swapping puzzle
the purpose of this puzzle is by no means to save memory or time, its just a puzzle for fun.
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A logarithm is just a misspelled algorithm.
#8 2008-02-28 00:09:07
Re: variable swapping puzzle
I'd be wary of using that one line solution, since it can be interpretted two different ways by the compiler. If it evaluates right to left then it will set x = y first, then subtract that from x + y, which is now y + y, and you'll end up with y = y and x = y. Of course, I realize that you aren't suggesting actually using such code, but I thought that should be pointed out.
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Re: variable swapping puzzle
I suppose it might be interpreted different ways by different compilers, but my understanding of parenthesis is that inner most parens are always evaluated first, thats why i have doubled parens around x + y. So I'm PRETTY sure this would work on any correct compiler.
A logarithm is just a misspelled algorithm.
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What can you do except report it to the boat captain / guides etc, and verbally express your disapproval to the individual?
The photopro who damaged coral to get the shot isn't as uncommon as we'd like. This actually makes a great second topic... what would you do if someone blatantly destroys and manipulates beyond all taste and boundaries?
Manipulation of subjects for the shot.
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Posted 26 December 2007 - 09:40 AM
I really can't believe the amount of gray area people are trying to inject into this very simple topic. Don't touch it. Don't move it. Don't manipulate it. If you can't get a picture of it the way you found it, and aren't willing to wait and see if it moves, then move on to something else.
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Posted 26 December 2007 - 10:10 AM
In fact, I think UW photographer has done more damage to the environment compared to other leisure divers. I'm one of the guilty party too as I'm still very new into UW photography but I'm trying very hard not to touch anything while shooting.
p/s - I'm using the same camera as you, jeff. I wonder how many more out there who's using it as well?
Posted 26 December 2007 - 11:14 AM
I'm throwing the BS flag on that!
I'm afraid I'm going to have to pick up your flag and chuck it back in your direction. Nothing is that Black and White. When you and Gini are taking pictures of that nice angel on your website did you ever ask her to circle around the fish to keep it headed your way or cutoff her escape? Did you swim in front of the angel to get it's image? That is simply another form of manipulation. Did it stress the fish? Sure. Did it harm the fish? I don't know, as hard as I've tried I can't ask her. We, all of us, affect the reef simply by being there. If we care about being able to pass the legacy of the beauty and wonder on to our kids and theirs we must be stewards of the ocean and all the creatures in it. I agree. But, I'll bet you "manipulate" more than you realize. There is gray here. That being said, I like your approach. It's just a little too holier than thou for my taste. I'd be happy to buy the first round of rum punch, if we ever find ourselves on the same island, and discuss it with you. B)
I'm also afraid I must disagree with Vincent."I think UW photographer has done more damage to the environment compared to other leisure divers." If you have ever been under a gaggle of rookie divers blowing clouds of bubbles and headed toward the bottom out of control you wouldn't say that. Unquestionably, in my mind, the number one cause of diver damage is under trained, incorrectly weighted, neophyte divers. What can we do about it? Help them every chance you get.
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It's a personal choice for me to try and keep it as black and white as possible rather than decide how much gray I'll let in. Not holy just my opinion. Chopsticks are for dinner not diving!
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Vincent, I know of several folks using various "SD" models. I just recently added a Canon A570 IS to my kit. Camera and housing for under $300. What a bargain.
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Posted 26 December 2007 - 01:25 PM
... what would you do if someone blatantly destroys and manipulates beyond all taste and boundaries?
I definitely wouldn't sit back and watch. I am kind of curious why the posters above felt bad in what they saw, but did nothing. Did you even say anything to this d%$khead?
To start off, I would do what I could to mess up their shot (ie: grab their tank yoke and move them or add air to their BC). When we got topside it would depend on how far they wanted to take it....I am not a small man :-).
Of course, now that I said that, I probably won't get invited on any more trips :-). But then again, I don't want to be around people like that anyway....no matter how big of "Pro" they are.
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Posted 26 December 2007 - 02:38 PM
Jeff i'm sure the animal in this photo http://jeffngini.zen...5441#1024218177 wasn't injurd by the person touching it. But it sure isn't natural behaviour for it and I bet the first human contact it came into it was a bit aprehensive about it.
I've had a turtle sit on me when I've taken a photo of it because it saw its reflection in my dome port and wanted a closer look. I can asure you it was not hurt when I gently pushed it off me, nor was it any worse off (IMHO) for me having been there. It just kept on with what it was doing and is still going strong nearly a year later(it had a distinct making on it's shell). It even comes over and says hello every now and then, a bit like the birds in the backyard get used to you being there and don't fly off as soon as you walk out the back door like they used to.
The touch pool at a lot of public aquarium show that some things are ok to touch
Edited by marinedomain, 26 December 2007 - 02:42 PM.
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Posted 26 December 2007 - 02:56 PM
Jeff i'm sure the animal in this photo http://jeffngini.zen...5441#1024218177 wasn't injurd by the person touching it. But it sure isn't natural behaviour for it and I bet the first human contact it came into it was a bit aprehensive about it.
Can't argue with that being pointed out and is something I thought about after reading these posts. Stingray City in Cayman comes to mind as well.
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Posted 26 December 2007 - 04:25 PM
I definitely wouldn't sit back and watch. I am kind of curious why the posters above felt bad in what they saw, but did nothing. Did you even say anything to this d%$khead?
To start off, I would do what I could to mess up their shot (ie: grab their tank yoke and move them or add air to their BC). When we got topside it would depend on how far they wanted to take it....I am not a small man :-).
It is one thing to disapprove of what you observe under water, but to add air to some ones BC is not only stupid, but a highly unsafe practice. Consider the life long consequences, both morally and financially. if you were responsible for some one's uncontrolled ascent.
Furthur more while as you say "I am not a small man" , there is always some one bigger in the forrest!
If it is so easy every one would be doing it!
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Posted 26 December 2007 - 08:49 PM
It is one thing to disapprove of what you observe under water, but to add air to some ones BC is not only stupid, but a highly unsafe practice. Consider the life long consequences, both morally and financially. if you were responsible for some one's uncontrolled ascent.
Furthur more while as you say "I am not a small man" , there is always some one bigger in the forrest!
You are correct. I was speaking from my emotions and not my brain (bad habit of mine). The best thing to do would be to get pictures of them doing the destruction and send them to his / her publisher as well as post them on all u/w photography websites. I would, however, convey my disgust after the dive. It is not my nature to sit back and do nothing.
BTW, I wouldn't totally fill the BC....only enough to mess up his / her buoyancy :-).
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Posted 27 December 2007 - 03:41 AM
BTW, I wouldn't totally fill the BC....only enough to mess up his / her buoyancy :-).
Oh well that's ok then....NOT!
I think we'll leave that for another thread in the new year. I do find it interesting that the large majority of those who took part in the survey are non-touchers. It would've been interesting to have seen the response back in '98, before the big digital camera revolution and '88. Obviously times and attitudes have changed.
It does pose some interesting questions about the ethics of the publishing industry. If everyone really did stop manipulating per se, then all the old shots with wonderfully posed subjects pushed and nudged into position would have an advantage in sales. Would publishers say hey I can see the hole in the nudibranch from the pin you used:
a) healing brush it so it won't show ok?
B) are you kidding me? Get out of my office!
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Posted 27 December 2007 - 06:30 AM
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Posted 27 December 2007 - 07:24 AM
Now, I may get flamed here, but Fk it. If that poll has any accuracy to it (and I doubt it does) then we'd see a lot more crap winning the POTW (or fewer images being entered) and have fewer AWESOME images posted here. I see some FANTASTIC images posted here and if every person posting them claims the last choice of the survey, I call the bullshit card. Been around way too long. That being said, I know that there are also photographers posting here that got the shot without any harrasment, so I am not saying that ALL images posted on WP are harrassment, I want to MAKE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR.
As I see it, here are the truths...we fall into one of two categories. This is to make us honest.
1. The poll was answered by photographers who have a lousy portfolio and TRULY follow those guideliness.
2. The poll was answered by photogs with good portfolios who don't practice what they preach (i.e. the poll results). It's similar to the old addage...there are two types of divers, those who pee in their wetsuits and those who say they don't.
As for the scuba police, I don't think it's my place to tell another diver how to dive or what he/she is doing wrong. Why make my trip uncomfortable by confronting the diver? No matter how nice I am about it, there will be friction and I don't pay 10k for a trip to feel uncomfortable. BUT, I do believe in bringing to the attention of a dive guide any isues that are blatent with respect to reef or animal treatment. A real example was when I wa in Lembeh. One of the divers was FNG BRUTAL to an octopus and a scorpion fish, beating them into behavioral submission with a steel rod. I felt very compelled to discuss it with the resort manager as opposed to confronting the diver. If I am not mistaken, the dude left the resort and went to another one. The point being that the diver probably would have told me to drop dead, but by having an "authority figure" discuss the situation with him, results happened. If it were me telling the diver what he did wrong, he'd probably tell me to go fly a kite.
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Posted 27 December 2007 - 08:09 AM
To what level is manipulation acceptable?
For example is hanging Christmas Baubles off of soft coral, as shown on the home page at the moment in the post entitled " Happy holidays, and good shooting", an acceptable action? Is that acceptable because soft coral not, seemingly, a living thing? I imagine that the action of deploying and collecting the baubles would have a detrimental effect to any macro organisms living on the soft coral?
Am I nit picking or raising a valid point.
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Posted 27 December 2007 - 08:19 AM
Of coarse they are. You MANIPULATED the poll questions to get the result you wanted.
Oh well that's ok then....NOT!
I do find it interesting that the large majority of those who took part in the survey are non-touchers.
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Posted 27 December 2007 - 08:26 AM
Some years ago I chatted to a lady who was carrying out her Phd thesis on the lesser octopus (Eledone cirrhosa). As a part of this she had carried out tests to discover its response to bright light and her conclusions regarding strobe (flash) illumination was that Eledone do not like it. In fact any strobe usage stressed her subjects and more than 6 shots apparently stressed them enough to introduce a degree of shock. She suspected that they might even die if subjected to sufficient high intensity strobes discharges!
So I've always limited myself to less than 6 shots of an individual, until.....
I found one sitting out in bright sunlit shallow water. It was not in the slightest bit bothered about my strobe going off.
So I'd have to say that the degree of disturbance/manipulation acceptable in underwater photography is always about knowing and understanding your subject, and some to some degree MAY be an acceptable way to shoot certain creatures under certain conditions. As has already been commented, nothing is black and white (except it seems, rules) and the crossover between disturbance and manipulation is a case in point.
One comment is that in the waters that I often dive in (murky, temperate), moving/prodding/coaxing a creature would all too often stir so much muck up as to make this a thoroughly counterproductive action!
If you've ever watched video of a bottom trawl in action you may realise that we are pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of underwater damage although I'd say that underwater photographers can, and do, cause damage in heavily dived/photographed areas.
Posted 27 December 2007 - 08:34 AM
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Posted 27 December 2007 - 09:10 AM
Most creatures can be touched without damage. It is not the touching that damages them it is how. My last trip to Lembeh, a fellow photographer (not a very good one) destroyed more coral with his fins than I have seen destroyed in my entire life. All in about 30 seconds.
The subject of manipulation is complex as there are so many different ways of doing it and to so many different degrees.
Personally I try to minimize my contact in all ways. I use a muck stick made of plastic to minimize contact with the reef. A well placed stick in a rock, not coral, can position the camera in a very still manor off the reef.
I would rather see people touch critters with a stick then their hands that were just lathered in sunscreen or deet. Think before you touch. Your deet may have killed that invert!
I have witnessed one with a point and shoot take repeated pictures of a pygmy from about 2 inches for longer than I wish to hang around. My guess is over 1 hour. He had no intention of leaving. Even though he did not touch it, he did harm.
My suggestion is be gentle while diving so things will be there for future trips.
Posted 27 December 2007 - 09:28 AM
Seriously - the karmic lesson in all this for me goes back to an assignment I had this past year in Turks & Caicos. I watched a very large, very obnoxious, very crude gentleman who'd been rough the entire two weeks actually break a piece of soft coral to get a lame shot of a small spotted moray. Pushed it aside with his index finger, which promptly ended up in the mouth of said spotted moray. His dive vacation was over, and he was lucky to retain his finger.
Karma, people. Karma.
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Posted 27 December 2007 - 09:29 AM
No, we're not on the same page. I don't use a pointer, I use a knitting needle. I use it for many things including touching things. No, that's not an "admission" because admitting it suggests that I'm trying to hide that fact or that I'm ashamed of it. It's ridiculous and your points are absurd.
Pointer, sand spike, poker, special fiberglass balance stick...I think we're all on the same page, we know what these things are. Sheesh.
The "one finger of a dead spot" approach is improved when you use a pointer instead of your finger. For that reason alone, people who carry pointers are potentially easier on the environment than the high and mighty who think they are better because of their lack of equipment.
As a certified caver, I can say your assertion is BS and your point is nonsense. Cavers don't use pointers because they are of no use to the task at hand. Cavers are no more conservationist as a group than other kinds of divers.
A culture that really, really takes conservation and protection of the environment seriously are cavers. This is a group that offered a US$6,000 reward because someone wrote their initials in the soft bottom of a cave! And if the <insert name here> stick is so benign, why don't cavers use them? It actually is a great way to be ridiculed right out of the community. (Not to mention an easy way to kill yourself)
And you not only wrong, but your point is meaningless besides. Carrying a pointer is in no way an indicator of whether you are hard on the reefs. I had a pointer with me, the guy who ripped off the top of the coral head did not.
I stand by my assertion, you only take a special stick along to touch something. You're planning on it from the begining.
Honest? I'd say judgemental and passive-aggressive, but have a nice day
I'm not spreading hateraide here; it's entirely up to you and it's no business of mine. Just trying to be honest.
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Actually when you look at it, nothing much has really changed after the whole arc except for some little details.
Chizu knows Ryu likes her, although I had the impression she knew it all along. Guess I underestimated her naivety after all ... now that's probably the biggest change
Ayane is in the same position as before the arc: She's single and still looking for real love. The only difference is that now there is someone that knows about it and supports her as well as a possible love interest (Kento showed some interest in her before though, see: beach chapter). On a side note, I could imagine that Kento just like her has never really been in true love. Ayane asked both Pin and Kento the same question, whether they have liked someone before. By comparing their answers I think the author could've established Ayane x Kent since they have something big in common.
As for the main couple... they almost kissed... that's it. They grew a little closer, as they always do. Tiny steps forward as usual, and I wouldn't want it any other way, at least not for now. I think they changed the least during the trip, which is fine, since the arc seemed to be mainly focusing on the side chars anyway.
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I'm much more interested in Chizu and Ayane then the main duo. I know it's their supposed selling point, but I can't look past that they act like this is the first time they've ever seen the opposite sex before. They make Mugi and Yuu from Pastel look like porn stars...
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I love Kimi ni Todoke a lot and I feel so happy every time a new chapter/volume comes out. All the characters are lovable but I am more interested in Ayane. I am dying to know who is it she is going to end up with.
Spoiler for chapter 65:
Well, I guess we will have to wait and see but I hope there is still a chance it is going to be Pin x Ayane.
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Before, there were several events that hinted the possibility of Pin x Ayane. Since then, the series has drifted toward Kento x Ayane.
I thought about it. The reason why Kimi ni Todoke is so slow is because it has so few characters. If the love between Kazehaya and Sawako, Ryuu and Chizuru, Kento and Ayane all become requited, the series may even end. Or at the very least, Shiina-sensei seems very reluctant to requite these shippings.
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I would like to think that there is still a chance it could be Pin x Ayane. Of course there is the possibility that Pin might not reciprocate her feelings and reject her but I want to see some developments. I hope they end up together, though.
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