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Before I begin my weekly purging of all fantasy related neuron transmissions, I do need to address something that has been on my mind all week. On Superbowl Sunday, Winnipeg lost two of its most decorated fire-fighters in a terrible accident during a seemingly routine house fire. It is too bad that it takes incidents like this to make us all realize just how important and often under-appreciated these everyday heroes are. I for one am going to make a better effort to give these men and women a few more friendly nods, appreciative waves, and spontaneous thank-you's. None of us know when it may be our families that they save, and the fact that they 'run towards' while all others 'run away' is pretty damn heroic in my book. Anyhow, I just want everyone who reads this to sit back and think for a moment about losing everything that matters to you, and in turn, join me in doing a little extra to show our appreciation.
(In no way was this intended to be taken as a "shout-out" to Notch. In fact, I am still of the belief that he only fire-fights because he loves the tickle the pole gives his arse on the way down)
Now in regards to the heading of this article, I suppose you are wondering why I would discredit my weekly offering so harshly, however the fact of the matter is that you absolutely agree with me. Most of you just don't realize it yet. In fact, I am confident that if most of you actually sit back and consider why you tune into my column each week, you will begin to see that you are not in search of new knowledge or hidden tips. In reality, I can guarantee that you actually seek to endorse a set of pre-conceived beliefs that you yourself have developed. The fact that we have a large audience merely makes your own ideas seem that much more credible when you do in fact find one of us echoing them in print.
I am willing to bet, that for those of you who are regulars to this site, your initial visit to DobberHockey.com resulted in one or two major similarities between what we were projecting and what you had come up with yourself. It was this sudden justification and legitimization or your own thoughts and theories that immediately programmed your synapses to relate our site as a valid and genuine source for all things fantasy. Consider what your initial reaction would have been if our site completely went against what your gut-feelings, projections, and homework had produced. My guess is that you would have written us off as just another site full of useless crap from guys who obviously know nothing about the game. I know …. I've done it myself.
The truth is that when we search for help in regards to fantasy sports, we are not really searching for help. We are looking for reassurance on certain things that we already know we are going to do, regardless of what anybody writes or thinks. I for one think this is a great way to approach your research, and find few things as gratifying as nailing a sleeper pick or going "a little wide" at the draft and having things work out as only you predicted. The problem arises when we get blinded by the search for validation of our own ideas, and write off all contradictory information as rubbish.
The key to winning, or at least being successful in fantasy sports is to input, process, and output as much information as possible, and then narrow it down to a set of targets and objectives based on the output you have produced. You must be as skeptical of your own beliefs as you are of others. You must re-visit the opinions you wrote off as impossible, because those are the ones that are most likely to become very valuable possibilities. You must reconsider players that you hate, and in order to be truly objective, possibly come to hate players that you originally considered. For me this would be the Sedin twins. For some reason, I have never gotten on board with these guys, and when considering them for my fantasy team, I get a feeling akin to finding them in bed with my mother. Not sure why, but I'll be damned if the twins ever get on my team. Now if I apply my own instructions from above, I find that having Daniel and Henrik in place of two other guys on my main keeper team, puts me in about four spots higher in the standings.
When visiting this site, or any other for that matter, try focusing 90% of your attention on the 20% of information that most emphatically contradicts what you think. I challenge you to then whittle this down to one single transaction or roster move that you can then apply to your team. I am willing to bet that this simple exercise will help to prove my point, and that this may be the necessary first step towards opening up your inner demon that causes you to overlook some very valuable information.
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Jumpluff is by no means a bad Pokémon because it lacks the stats to attack. Instead, Jumpluff plays the role of supporting its teammates. Jumpluff can take advantage of Sleep Powder, base 110 Speed, and a plethora of support moves like Encore and Memento in UU, OU, and even in Ubers if you know how to take control of the field. Just don't expect Jumpluff to take too much torture, and you should be able to annoy all day.
This set is simple to use: Sleep Powder on the first turn, Substitute the second, and Leech Seed the third. Repeat steps two and three when needed. If you have entry hazard support, the indirect damage received from switching out from Leech Seed can add up very quickly. Encore simply adds to the madness, and thanks to the Substitute, you can switch around appropriately without worries.
Aerial Ace or Hidden Power Flying can be used over Encore should you want to be able to hurt Grass-types, while U-turn is another alternative for some scouting and escaping from troublesome Pokemon. Timid and 252 Speed EVs are used so Jumpluff can outrun Mismagius and Speed tie with Froslass. The rest are put into Defense and Special Defense to take weak, resisted attacks better. Don't put EVs in HP; this inhibits its SubSeeding ability as you want Leech Seed to restore a greater percentage of Jumpluff's health.Team Options & Additional Comments >>>
Due to Sleep Clause, you can only put one Pokemon to sleep with Sleep Powder. However, Jumpluff also has access to Stun Spore, meaning it can still annoy your opponent by not only putting one of their Pokemon to sleep, but also paralyzing a few.
Sleep Powder first, and then hopefully status with Stun Spore to hopefully hurt another Pokemon. Encore is an amazing move that can be used to buy free switch-ins. With good prediction, Jumpluff can switch into an Earthquake and Encore it, allowing it a free turn to abuse Sleep Powder or Stun Spore. U-turn is for getting the hell out of there when you're all done. It also helps ease prediction and shift the momentum of the game in your favor.Team Options & Additional Comments >>>
Jumpluff has a myriad of unique support options that can help the team, and this set puts all of them to good use. Its purpose is to provide a powerful attacker the chance to set up, hopefully opening the game for a sweep.
Jumpluff's high Speed allows it plenty of chances to use Sleep Powder. With the opposing Pokémon asleep, Jumpluff can freely use Reflect to provide itself and its teammates more protection from physical attacks and then proceed to use Memento, a self-KO move that harshly lowers the opponent's Attack and Special Attack. At that point, a powerful set-up sweeper, such as Belly Drum Charizard, can enter the battle and use its stat-boosting move with little risk. This would also be a great opportunity for a Baton Passer to set up.
Encore is definitely the preferred third move to punish those that think Jumpluff is a setup fodder. Reflect does not have to be used in order for Jumpluff to be successful. It is somewhat of a filler move, but given the fact that UU is a tier crowded with physical attackers, it can prove to be very useful. If this set is used in OU or Ubers, Reflect can be dropped in favor of another move, such as Leech Seed or Toxic. Don't even bother with an attacking move like Grass Knot or Aerial Ace, as the damage output will be always be pitiful.Team Options & Additional Comments >>>
This combo is actually nice in UU and decent to use in OU. Use Sleep Powder first and then proceed to use Sunny Day to boost your Speed to 700. You can then easily U-turn away for your other teammates to tear through your opponent with Fire-type moves or their own Chlorophyll abilities.
The main reason for Encore is because once Sleep Clause is activated and you need Jumpluff to make the sunlight return, you have to rely on using Encore to cripple your opponent and give yourself a free turn to set up the sun during the switch. This allows you to U-turn safely from harm right after you set up the sun; however, your switch-in is at risk with the second strategy. Memento can go somewhere should you like the ability to help Swords Dance Tangrowth or Victreebel set up; with +2 Attack and doubled Speed, they will be a major pain to your opponent. This will work better in UU though as there are less Choice Scarf users to revenge them.Team Options & Additional Comments >>>
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Worry Seed easily destroys Sleep Talkers like Articuno and also makes Clefable shuffle in fear. Aromatherapy can be thrown onto a set but isn't highly recommended on a Pokémon who can barely take many hits at all. It does have Swords Dance as well but lacks a physical movepool and an Attack stat as well. Bounce works well in conjunction with SubSeed as it helps protect your Substitute for a turn but also leaves you vulnerable once you crash down; however, you have that nice chance of paralysis on your side. Reflect tones down physical hits, but don't expect Jumpluff to be surviving long even with the screen up. Jumpluff can use Toxic to poison opponents; this would be particularly annoying on the SubSeed set, but this conflicts with Sleep Powder, and generally Stun Spore is better for the Double Powder set. Aerial Ace and Hidden Power Flying are other options, mainly for the SubSeed set. They give you a way to hit the many Grass-types in UU. However, Jumpluff's low Attack stats weakens the viability of these moves.
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Sleep Powder makes Jumpluff incredibly hard to counter, as many UU Pokemon capable of absorbing sleep are extremely weak to the SubSeed set.
Clefable is one of the best counters to Jumpluff. Despite still being vulnerable to Encore and Sleep Powder, her Magic Guard ability makes Leech Seed useless. To make matters worse Clefable can easily carry a Toxic Orb and prevent any status put upon her. Grass-types are the best counters to the SubSeed set, although Sleep Powder is a pain for most. Sleep Talkers can easily step in on Sleep Powder and take advantage of the field by retaliating, but they won't like the SubSeed set. Primeape can do well as Vital Spirit blocks Sleep Powder and it has many ways of taking out Jumpluff, or it can just U-turn to a faster sweeper while breaking Jumpluff's Substitute.
Phazers can take advantage of the situation and simply force Jumpluff far away. And to make your life easier, next time Jumpluff steps in it receives 25% more damage if Stealth Rock is down. Just make sure that use Roar or Whirlwind only after you switch in. Since both moves have a negative priority, you run a risk of an Encore shoved right back at you. A lot of UU Pokémon can switch into Jumpluff but have a lot of issues from there. However, outside of Leech Seed and possibly U-turn you really have no fear of taking damage at all.


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While a hollow body-wielding guitarist squeezing in more notes per second than the next guy may be commonplace in the up and coming jamrock world, there is still something to be said for bands like The Jauntee that attempt to progress it into the next era. Tracks like "Blowin' Up the B Line" off their 2012 release Enjoy The Ride break into experimental jazz movements more akin to the oddball sounds of The Dead Kenny G's than their overt emulation of traditional jam bands like Phish.
Their vocal delivery struggles, even in the studio, and some of the lyrics jump between nonsensical and flat, like on "Portland," but there are moments where these launching pads could push into interesting sonic landscapes on the improvisational end. Seeing what they can do is worth the trip to The Moon.
The Jauntee, Thu., Aug. 29, Fly Me to the Moon Saloon, Telluride, flymetothemoonsaloon.com
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Anthony Dean Griffey, a tenor internationally renowned for his portray of the title role of Britten's Peter Grimes, and Emalie Savoy, a 2011 George London Award winner who is one of New York's fastest rising young sopranos, perform the second George London Foundation Recital of the season with pianist Ken Noda on Sunday, January 13, 2013, at 4:30 PM at The Morgan Library & Museum. The George London Foundation Recital Series presents pairs of outstanding opera singers, many of whom were winners of a George London prize early in their careers or are recent George London Award recipients.
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Mr. Griffey replaced the originally-announcEd Matthew Polenzani, who has had to withdraw because of a scheduling conflict. He will perform on the series on October 20, 2013.
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Four-time Grammy Award winning American tenor Anthony Dean Griffey has captured critical and popular acclaim on opera, concert and recital stages around the world. Celebrated for his powerful portrayal of the title role of Britten's Peter Grimes, Griffey first performed the role at Tanglewood in 1996 under the baton of Seiji Ozawa. The role has subsequently brought him international acclaim, and his performance in Peter Grimes at the Metropolitan Opera was broadcast live in HD to movie theatres across the world, featured on PBS and released on DVD (EMI Classics). Opera News praised Mr. Griffey's performance at the Houston Grand Opera, saying "Griffey's large, lumbering physical presence commanded the stage, but it was his vocal artistry that sealed a remarkable performance." And Anthony Tommasini said, "... as I think back [on the Metropolitan Opera 2007-2008 season], it is individual performances by singers that stay with me, none more so than the tenor Anthony Dean Griffey's portrayal of the title role in the Met's new production of Britten's 'Peter Grimes.' Singing with exemplary artistry and raw emotion, Mr. Griffey found his own way into the daunting role of Grimes, fully conveying that reclusive fisherman's instability and violent streak while revealing the wounded child within. This was an overdue personal triumph for a selfless artist who rose through the ranks of the Met and had been underused until now." www.anthonydeangriffey.com


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Anyone seen a Wonga-Wonga bird recently?
Had it not been too swift, there would have been a Wonga-Wonga sighting on the very same day last year, Steve.
You read my dirt track mind with ever increasing velocity, Jacob :-)
What did I miss?
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What did I miss?
A chance to tell how much snow you have (had):
And some very nice threads like this one:
What did I miss?
A couple of old fogies talking to each other in code :-)
This was a good one too:
"A couple of old fogies talking to each other in code :-)"
Jacob, maybe fill Steve in as to how old of a fogie I am...
You gave your blind friend a RED shirt? You must be from Sweden. Iceland (I googled)
I'm from Holland, which is a little to the left and a little down from Jacob.
I just told him it was red. He wouldn't have known the difference anyway :-)
Right first second time.
Do you know (of) John Kerr?
I understand that he's quite well known in music circles in your neck of the woods. Lives in Amsterdam.
Composes his own music and does his own CD covers and stuff. Quite good at both.
We were in graphics together at art school in the UK in the late 60's.
I may be from Holland, but I live quite a bit left and quite a bit down from where you are... Colorado.
Don't know of John Kerr. Holland has a population of over 15 Million, and I don't know more than maybe 20 of them.
Hi Jacob. No word from Steven Fish other than a holiday letter...
O.k., misunderstood you.
Thought you were still in Flatland.
I'm a Brit, been living in Iceland for over 40 years.
Nice Banter, guys, sorry about the clumsy wording, but could somebody help with the question at hand? (BTW, I love Iceland, been there 4 times, want to go back again!)
Anup does not know, from where he posted, about the first post of this thread, so all your posts are confusing to him.
Mods might need to delete the off topic posts, so that the help files only have relevant info.
Anup, the pages listed below the introdution text have links about relevant info on web graphics.
Do you have a more particular question, a problem you are struggling with, or seek for more general guidance on producing web graphics with Illustrator?
Anup does not know, from where he posted, about the first post of this thread, so all your posts are confusing to him.
Mods might need to delete the off topic posts, so that the help files only have relevant info.
Not getting you at all, sorry. We are used to banter here. :-)
Why doesn't Anup know where he posted from? If he's not at home he's probably out and if he's confused to boot he's definitely out..
Delete from help files as you will, but not from this forum. Or are responses on this forum somehow echoed somewhere else?
And as a question to the original answer; the best practices for creating graphics of any kind are practice, practice and practice, preferably in that order.
I think Pierre's last name roughly translates to "short of joy"...
(Oops! sorry I bantered.)
Did you know I was one of the first 4 people to be banished to the sin-bin, a special place for unruly speedbanterers...?
Bring in the mods.
The old forums, gone for good they are.
There are some in-depth aticles on doing web design with Illustrator, e.g. http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2011/01/17/productive-web-design-with- adobe-illustrator/
And there are some more that can be researched on the web.
Mods might need to delete the off topic posts, so that the help files only have relevant info.
Delete from help files as you will, but not from this forum. Or are responses on this forum somehow echoed somewhere else?
Steve is right. If anyone starts interfering with this forum because of what happens in some other place, I am afraid you will find that the natives here will act natively. I for one would think at least thrice before replying to any thread with Community Help as the OP if posts may be deleted.
We have a very nice and friendly forum here, with no moderation since Len Hewitt resigned as Forum Host quite a few years ago (on the Win side long before the fair forums were replaced by the new merged one, three years ago), and many years without any post or thread being removed.
Like Bert and many others, I joined (the Win side of) this forum in another millennium.
Apart from that, the question in the first post is rather woolly because it may cover anything from the way to perform a specific task (which needs to be stated), over subjects like should I use Align to Pixel Grid or not, to how web graphics should look/behave/be constructed (which has little to do with this forum).
So: Anup Rav, please ask a more specific question. And thank you for bringing old friends together.
A comment on the basis for the question, namely the article, and especially the advice to use web safe colours, as stated in the link About web graphics:
1. Use web‑safe colors.
Color is often a key aspect of artwork. However, the colors you see on your artboard aren't necessarily the colors that will appear in a web browser on someone else's system. You can prevent dithering (the method of simulating unavailable colors) and other color problems by taking two precautionary steps when creating web graphics. First, always work in RGB color mode. Second, use a web-safe color.
I am afraid any native here will wonder which millennium that piece of advice was written in.
This may be a key issue with sending questions about Community Help articles over here: if we are supposed to give (useful) answers to the questions raised by those articles, we should have to spend time reading them, time that could be used to answer questions here, and we might very well find (other) things that we disagree with.
Yep. Web-safe colours went out with the dodo. Is there anyone out there whose monitor can still only display 256 colours?
If so, they might consider updating to the present millennium.
Sorry, if "Banter" was taken as a scolding remark, it was not my intention.
I see that there is a very nice atmosphere in the forum, jokes are done in a respectul and cheerful manner, and Bert, I like to make my name lie as much as I can
Unfortunately, because of ho the help files comments are mirrored with the forum threads, (Steve, that's why I said that Anup does not know that the posts are seen here as well) there is no way to delete in one side and in the other one...
So the best solution, to keep the good spirit of this discussion might be to split the "irrelevant" posts to another thread, where it might be possible for me to copy the confusing text that started it all. I realize, as well, that the question is more than vague, hence my question to the OP.
I am a moderator, mostly on Photoshop/Bridge, but am also mod for the Former Community Help. I don't want to change the habits of this forum that I mostly read, but now that I play more and more with AI, you might see my name more often. In the Ps/Bridge forums, I try to reach a consensus before intervening in splitting threads, etc.
I don't want the AI U2U folks to feel threatened, as some Ps users have been by a new moderator a few years ago. But I've been killing spam in the AI forum for a while...
Having a mod might be useful to promote threads, promote best answers or to post announcements, some posts can now be converted to Articles, useful to create an FAQ...
Feel free to contact me if you need help with such things.
Mods are not only badge and stick wearing policemen... I've been moderating other places for years, and yet was responsible for most of the "banter" there.
Please try to look with the other side of the coin, this whole discussion is reflected on the help files, and it does not make them look instructive...
What would be the best process, other than splitting the thread (and not doing too much capillosectomy) to keep the help files relevant, yet keep the fun posts in here?
"This may be a key issue with sending questions about Community Help articles over here: if we are supposed to give (useful) answers to the questions raised by those articles, we should have to spend time reading them, time that could be used to answer questions here, and we might very well find (other) things that we disagree with."
What if you look at it this way, this new process makes you find wrong information on the help files, and point it out, so that it gets ultimately corrected?
Pierre (Waving a white flag) I came in peace!
I believe everyone here see the jokes and banter as an integral part of the flow of the threads where help is sought and given.
And I believe our knowing what actually hit us, and that the Community Help threads are beaming lost souls down amidst us without their knowing where they are, will make us better understand their needs.
I also believe that it would be a good thing if those in need of help realize that they get it here, and that they can get help here with other things: they may wonder less, and they may enjoy whichever fun is made.
This thread started OT because it was seen as OT in the first place, with no one knowing the context. If Anup Rav specifies the question, I am sure it will be (more) back on the topic.
What if you look at it this way, this new process makes you find wrong information on the help files, and point it out, so that it gets ultimately corrected?
I am afraid that most/all, like myself, would find it hard enough to keep up with this forum.
Pierre, this well-meant alliance of a mediocre help system and this forum will be doomed to failure, I suspect.
Good luck.
Glad that you see that I don't have bad intentions. I am between a rock and a hard place. I would not want to change the nice atmosphere of these premises, yet, the help files comments do need curation.
Maybe do we need some ironing out.
Kurt, I don't know why you say that of the help files. They might be better, indeed, making suggestions on how to improve them is always welcome!
Many questions have been answered there by Jean-Claude Tremblay, Gustavo Del Vechio, and I think Monika Gause.
At the beginning, the help files had a commenting system, whose purpose was to bring corrections, or to post relevant links brought in by the users.
With time, more and more questions have been asked there, and answering them was difficult as there was no way to add images, videos, text formatting...
Often, users have been sent here.
So the decision was made to merge them together. For the best or the worse, I don't know, Kurt, but I like the idea that it can also benefit of the tremendous experience of the forums.
Maybe should there be a way to keep additons there, or move discussions here, but when they are pertaining, why couldn't they be in both places?
Jacob, the posting pace of the help files is way slower than the forum's. You would not be swamped.
If you have suggestions/objections, I strongly invite you to post them in the forum comments. I'm just a messenger, not a decision maker, but would like to find the best solution for all the parties involved. Some suggested for the threads to be visible to some person only (like it was the case with the help files), but that defeats the nice addition of the forum's hivemind.
Danke sehr for the good wishes, Kurt!
Pierre, I linger here on the forums for ten or probably twelve or some more years.
Many questions may have been answered by the persons you mentioned (no need for decoration, by the way), many other questions have been answered by other participants. It's a mass intelligence. And it used to work without any combined controls or half-baked conceptions about how one could create a kind of merged knowledge. That won't work.
Give me a plane ticket to go to Adobe, California, and pay my daily rate, then I may do some more detailed suggestions about what Adobe could do better.
"Pierre, I linger here on the forums for ten or probably twelve or some more years."
Yup, same for me on the Photoshop side of the house...
I wasn't there on the compuserve ones, but remember the home page with the forums listed on the left and right side for Windows and Mac.
I now use AI, AE, and Pr more and more, so I'm visiting those places more often. Sure nice to see that there is a good atmosphere on this place as well!
I hope you will soon find the time to get stuck with Illy and ask something here; in other words: welcome.
Tak, Jacob!
With the help files and Real World Illustrator, I get most of my answers, but I will sure post some here, and know that you guys will amaze me, like with the convex gear question!
Also reading Vector Basic Training. Any other recommended reference book? I also intend to get some Lynda and Video2Brain training subscriptions.
For what it's worth (probably nothing to Adobe), I utterly despise the entire direction that Adobe has taken with its product documentation. It is ill-conceived and a disservice to software Customers.
I am convinced that the default web-centric behavior of the Online Help is a large part of the cause of so many completely bare-basic questions in this forum. No, not because "contributions" in the so-called "community" help system are now being auto-directed here (yet another step in the wrong direction), but simply because merely invoking the Help menu in these apps by default accesses the slow, tedious, and cluttered online help system. All that web-centric solution-looking-for-a-problem crap just frustrates users--new and experienced--who simply want to look up a feature's documentation while trying to learn a new program without the clear benefit of a proper physical manual, which Adobe cheaped-out on many years ago.
Adobe wants its users to "contribute" to its inadequate product documentation. (I, for one, refuse to.)
Now that the "community" nature of what is supposed to be the online authoritative documentation is causing it to become cluttered, Adobe's new brainstorm is to direct those things here, where Adobe almost never participates anyway.
The whole thing is like Adobe apps: Increasingly inelegant, overblown tedium for what should be simple and straightforward functionality. Give me a thorough and efficiently-written, fast-launching, instantaneously-searching, standalone LOCAL help system any day, and make it the default, as it properly should be. (For one good example, see FileMaker Pro.). Those with time to waste can have all this other garbage.
Honestly, everything Adobe does these days seems to reflect a mindset that a Customer's whole world is about nothing but Adobe. I just need Adobe to make apps which do their jobs, catch up and stay up with the times functionally (primarily Illustrator), and otherwise stay out of my face as much as possible. I've got work to do without being continually hindered by Adobe's cumbersome licensing schemes, tedioius installers, inelegant interfaces with their over-glorification of ordinary functionality, and over-encumbered online-centric documentation.
I'm sure some suits somewhere think this is effective "mindshare" marketing. It just tends to drive me away. It increasingly irritates me every time I have to lauch an Adobe app.
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Anup does not know, from where he posted, about the first post of this thread, so all your posts are confusing to him.
Mods might need to delete the off topic posts, so that the help files only have relevant info.
Not getting you at all, sorry. We are used to banter here. :-)
Why doesn't Anup know where he posted from?
Unfortunately you can't get away with that, as Pierre did include the crucial comma that disambiguates his meaning, separating off the subclause.
I assume that the posts appearing on the Help files are a direct feed of the ones on the forum, and it's unlikely to be possible to show some posts on the forum and not in the Help files.
Unfortunately you can't get away with that, as Pierre did include the crucial comma that disambiguates his meaning, separating off the subclause.
And I still haven't got the faintest clue what the guy was on about, so there wasn't much to get away with. And there's certainly no disambiguation going on, neither from me (deliberately) nor from our new-found friend Mr. Shortjoy (who may be doing this unintentionally though I have no way of knowing). The whole issue is still as clear as mud.
If Anup is where he was when he first posted, why doesn't he know about the first post that he appears to have posted simultaneously to the question that was supposed to answer it? And if he isn't where he was, where is he now and why does it make any difference?
This whole thing sounds like a night train to nowhere, getting there with ever increasing velocity. Hence Wonga-Wonga birds.
Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence. I suspect our friend is not first-language English.
From the Help pages, you don't see the post from Community Help which says 'This question was posted in response to the following article'. That's why I was initially confused.
As to where Anup is now, I suspect he's long gone away in despair, wondering whether all web graphics should be pictures of t-shirts.
Thye only words Anup Rav appears to have uttered are: "What are the best practices for creating web graphics?"
So there's nothing there to indicate that he has any trouble with English.
Our other friend, whose name I have anglicized, may possibly be to blame for clumsily posting a question as an answer.
Maybe he's French or Canadian or something but he seems to have no serious trouble expressing himself.
At any rate I'm quite sure there was no malice involved and a bit of merriment never did any harm to anyone.
Oh, merriment has done plenty of harm over the centuries. Fortunately, we're getting better at finding more innocent sources. I'm satisfied that you, Steve, are not intending to cause any serious damage.
I am sure no one in this thread has any but the best intentions.
Pierre and I are old friends, ever since I joined the worldwide weather forecast and seasonal greetings thread, which started many years ago as a joint attempt to call attention to and change the fact that there was Still no supervision in the French and Spanish forums, started by Pierre and Claudio and supported by myself (who saved it from archiving quite a few times) and others, and unfortunately killed by a sudden untimely and seemingly hostile archiving when the fair forums gave way to what we have now about three years ago.
Hello Steve JusteEnfant (just paying it forward, totally agree about the merriment)
I don't know why you seem to think that I am the one that decided to migrate Community Help comments to their respective products forums, or at least just this particular one.
I am also sorry about the current wording that is confusing at best, I have forwarded the rightful comments about the inadequate wording. It is an Adobe-led decision. I'm just a mod, in community Help, and it the forums. Be aware that other Former Community Help mods will continue to monitor Community Help posts, or contribute to CH, creating threads in here as well.
Anup Rav, who seems to have made a hit and run, has no idea, from the Illustrator Community Help page where he posted a comment, that said post is replicated here. That is what I was trying to say. Sorry if I was short on time on that occasion and was not more verbose. I also made a sticky post explaining the migration of posts to clarify all this, and Vikrant, Adobe Employee has made an announcement.
I am fully aware that Anup's post lacks clarity, and does not require an answer if he does not clarify it. Such a post would have been deleted from the help files after a while.
But my point here was also to indicate that other similar threads are meant to appear in the forum, as the Community Help Managers have decided to make the change, and that those threads are meant to be more closely moderated, in order to keep the help files with relevant info only.
JET, I'll forward your comments re: the need for a fast help system to the Help folks I know of.
I am also wondering what happens when a product is installed on a web-less machine.
It seems that downloading the PDF version from the Community Help pages might be the best way in this case.
There is the Community Help application, but AFAIK, it needs to be loaded with initial content.
Jacob, I've got moderation powers also in the french Forums, and offered to help if Claudio notices a need for moderation (spam, etc.) in the Spanish ones. This might be a first baby step in the good direction... Thanks again for the vote of confidence, and the helpful explanations about how this sub-forum runs.
I was of course being intentionally obtuse.
The idea being to get someone to read what he had written and maybe consider the wording of things. If no-one complains nothing gets done.
And of course there's nothing wrong with forwarding reasonable questions from Community Help, but only genuine questions please.
I can see absolutely no point in dumping stuff onto this forum that can be found perfectly easily by pressing F1. It's all very old hat to many of us who had to learn things the hard way.
Real beginners should start off by printing out the Help files and having them as bedside reading.
That way they will have sweet dreams and know how to do things when they wake up refreshed next morning.
Etienne Belenfant
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Detroit, Michigan –The Iron Street Neighborhood Association in conjunction with Everette's Natural Hair & Beauty School and the Hug Detroit Movement proudly presents– The First Annual Hug Detroit Day Festival sponsored by the community. The festival will be held in on . Sunday, August 25, 2013 from 11:00am to 9:00pm. This event is free and open to the public.
Our Mission Statement:
Hug Detroit with Jus a little bit of Love" Mission is to continue embracing Detroit , with love, hope, peace & sincerity, by coming together in every aspect of our lives. Through business, travel, entertainment, recreation & our crises, under LOVE & RESPECT….We create a harmony in the city, that allows more room for improving ourselves and , our city. LETS GET BACK TO THE HUG & FIRM HANDSHAKE!
Create a day that provides an excellent opportunity for people from different backgrounds to connect and network with each other, by highlighting an appreciation for diversity, by promoting a greater respect and awareness of diversity, and by addressing issues of acceptance, peace, love and unity, that, in turn, will help serve as a continued step toward sustaining a lasting change across our city and community.t Well Being Center, the Nutrition Kitchen & Hug Detroit will be celebrating LIFE, FAMILY & LOVE on Sunday, August 25, 2013 with the kick-off of "Hug Detroit … With Just A Little Love Day". We will begin the day at 9:00 AM by blocking off Iron Street, Meldrum, Wight and parts of Mt. Elliott as we set up vendors, 3-4 stages for live entertainment.. The outdoor event will begin at 12:00 noon ending at 9:00 PM. We will have plenty of activities for the entire family including activities & workshops for the youth and elderly specifically. Oh, did I mention the theme song …"With Just A Little LOVE"
A song of declaration, celebration and compassion, with a direct heartfelt message that if we'd all respond and create life "with just a little love" the world would experience a healing like never before. This song will be formerly introduced and videoed at the Grand Opening and may possibly be the official video for the new hit house party single, "With Just A Little Love" by special guest, Sherry Scott, original female vocalist with Earth, Wind & Fire. Sherry Scott will also be performing later that evening along with Detroit's award winning Funky Blues Singer Thornetta Davis, Detroit Award winning Jazz Vocalist, Sky Covington, and the R&B Blues & Outstanding Jazz Instrumentalist, PhilHarmonic (Phil Hale), all winners in the Detroit Music Awards and the Detroit Black Music Awards, also introducing the Hug Detroit Community Choir featuring ages 5 years to 85 year old local Detroiters , sharing their gift of song.
More Highlights of the day include:, FREE ADMISSION!!, FREE TEA , FREE WATER! LIVE ENTERTAINMENT BY LOCAL ARTISTS FUN FOR ALL AGES!Yoga Session , Face Painting, Chalking , Poetry Reading, Communication Exercises
Arts & Crafts, Back Pack Drive& Food Drive...
hug detroit parade/atwater &Dequindre Cut 11:00A
Formerly a Grand Trunk Railroad line, the Dequindre Cut is a 1.35-mile greenway that was developed to accommodate pedestrian and bicycle traffic. Opened in 2009, the Dequindre Cut offers a connecting path through the Riverfront, Eastern Market and residences nearby. The path runs from the Detroit Riverwalk and parallel to St. Aubin Street. The below-street-level path is surrounded by remnants of Detroit graffiti culture, with street art lining many of the walls along the greenway.
We are declaring August 25th as "Hug Detroit"... With Just A Little Love" Day and our goal is to make August 25, 2013 a record breaking lowest crime rate day because of all the HUGS & LOVE exemplified that day. Proceeds will be used for scholarships and the support of arts education in the community.
What's most exciting, is that we recognize there are many gifts, talents, passions, and companies/entrepreneurs residing within Detroit. If you'd like to be showcased please let us know immediately so we can do our best to schedule you in. If you'd like to be a vendor, volunteer, artist, performer, etc., please let us know a.s.a.p. either at the gathering, dropping by loft #133, or by contacting 586.362.7460 or 313-355-0352. Who knows, the very connection you've been trying to make might be right here in Detroit where you reside.
Come Thursday, July 8, 2013, 7:00-8:30 and hear how this event will be a blessing to you and the community as a whole and what it will take to make this event happen successfully. Please R.S.V.P by emailing email@example.com, visiting us at Loft 133, or by calling 313-355-0352.
Respectfully yours, Sheila Hale, Sky Covington ,& the rest of the Hug Detroit Cast
D* Deep History
E* Evolving to new Ideas
T* Tackling Detroit problems head on TOGETHER!!!
R* Rising Together as a City
O* Opportunity for abundance...
I* Investing in our City
T* Teaching our youth to cherish our City. For they are our Future.


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Some background info first.
I am in a brand new home, my water heater is a Bradford White 50 gallon.
It has a powervent installed. The 2" into 3" PVC vent pipe goes up about 2 feet and then horizontally for about 15 feet where it vents out of the basement wall.
I have a 72" by 48" fiberglass tub in white.
I have the unit set above the normal heat to a hotter setting, but not the highest available.
We are on City water not a well.
I have noticed little black specks on the bathtub recently. There is no shower in the tub. They were not there for the first three months of use. When rubbed they spread like ladies mascara would spread. It takes some rubbing and cleaning to get rid of them.
I thought at first maybe it was some kind of mold, but since it was only inside the tub, I decided to clean it with a 50/50 bleach water mix.
I let the tub sit for 3 days and nothing else appeared.
But once I filled the tub again with hot water, the little specks appeared again.
They are not in the sinks or toilets.
The toilets "do" show a very light pink colored ring at water level if not flushed for a couple of days, which cleans off very easily.
Does anyone have any idea what this is called, what causes this and how I can get rid of it.
All help would be appreciated.
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Women's Bible Studies
Regular reading of the Bible is a spiritual discipline that can support your journey to hear what God has to say first-hand and to gain greater understanding of His will for your life. Studying and praying with others provides support as you endeavor to begin or stay on track in your spiritual journey. All groups welcome new members.
Childcare is provided by reservation only for the studies that meet at the church. Please make your reservation as soon as possible, but no later than 48 hours before an event. Call 703-938-9050, x351.
Monday Evening Study Group or
Tuesday Morning Study Group
Mondays 7:00-8:30 pm, Room 109, or
Tuesdays 9:30-11:30 am, Third Floor;
Childcare is available Tuesday mornings with advance registration.
The Daniel Plan is a groundbreaking, healthy lifestyle program where people get better together. With love as the motivation, its a story of abundance, not deprivation. Relying on Gods power and the support and encouragement of friends, get ready to be transformed from the inside out.
For more information contact Shannon at email@example.com or 703-938-9050 x123.
Tuesday Evening Bible Study
Tuesdays, 7:00-9:00 pm, Room 108.
Disciple 1. One of the most effective and formative classes ever taught at VPC. The intensive 34-week class starts, Tuesday, October 1, from 7:00 - 9:00 pm. Class leader Barbara Greig. Contact Shannon Jordan at shannon.jordan(at)viennapres.org.
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Fridays, 9:30-11:00 am, in the home of Donna Hall
Each week we gather for coffee and prayer and to discover the meaning of God's word in our lives. This group is open to all VPC members, friends, and seekers. No prior Bible study experience is needed. Come and join us as we share and learn together!
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Denise Wall Parilo, RN, MSNFaculty Spotlight, June 2008
Assistant Professor Denise Wall Parilo, RN, MSN, has collaborated with Community Engagement Center four of the six years she has been teaching with the Sacramento State Nursing Department. Outside of teaching, Denise Wall Parilo volunteers as a nurse at children's sports camps and is a Red Cross Nurse who has participated in disaster training and flu shot clinics for senior citizens.
Each spring, over one hundred of Denise Wall Parilo's nursing students partner with community organizations such as Wellspring Women's Center, Jesse Baker School, Strategies for Change, John H. Jones Center, St. John's Shelter, WEAVE, Sacramento Food Bank & Family Services, and Folsom Cordova Community Partnership. Her students "deliver an important message to the community about how to stay healthy," providing health education seminars, blood pressure and sugar screening tests, resource referrals, and both illegal and prescription drug education.
When asked to comment on their experiences with Denise Wall Parilo, community partners had nothing but great things to say.
Kelly Siefkin, the Volunteer Manager at Sacramento Food Bank & Family Services said, "Professor Denise Wall Parilo has done an excellent job preparing these students for situations they may encounter at SFBFS such as nutrition-based inquiries, varying economic backgrounds, cultural differences, medical concerns and more. The clients who visit our facility are grateful for the kind and knowledgeable nursing students from Sac State."
Betsy Michelotti, the South Site Programs Manager for Strategies for Change, said "Professor Wall Parilo's nursing students have brought Strategies for Change and the clients in treatment a wealth of information about health, nutrition, and the human body. The women are always excited that the nursing students are going to be at the agency, bringing them information they may not have gotten elsewhere."
Denise Wall Parilo uses service learning in her classes because it provides her students with the opportunity to apply classroom knowledge in real world situations, helping to increase their understanding of course material and reinforce their career goals, while getting them to "really embody their role as an advocate for the individual and the bigger community." And "it makes [her] feel good that Sac State students are doing good things in the community."
Based on the reflective journals Professor Wall Parilo receives from her service learning students, the students find the projects beneficial as well. One student wrote the work is "exhausting but extremely rewarding," and Denise Wall Parilo often hears stories about students gaining confidence through their experiences – "I did what you told me and it worked!"
Professor Wall Parilo explained, "Students don't always realize how much they know and how much they can offer. They are bright, hardworking, talented." Service learning projects help them realize this potential.
Denise Wall Parilo continues to partner with Community Engagement Center and community based organizations in the greater Sacramento region, utilizing service learning in her courses to create an atmosphere of learning through engagement in order to enhance her students' understanding of educational goals, sense of civic responsibility, and self awareness.
Each year, more than two thousand Sacramento State students, faculty, staff, and alumni participate in programs and projects sponsored by Community Engagement Center. Programs such as Alternative Break, AmeriCorps Students in Service, Sac State Serves, and Service Learning fulfill our mission to facilitate learning and engagement by linking campus and community for mutual benefit. Through Spotlight, Community Engagement Center will highlight outstanding individuals and programs advancing community engagement in the Sacramento region.


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Chicago police say they've linked to a majority of the violence that has tarnished Chicago's image around the world to 450 criminals.
Those 450 were identified after Chicago cops completed a "gang audit" last year. They got names of gang members, focusing on those with serious criminal records and a history of violence. They discovered something astonishing. Yes, these criminals kill innocent victims, but they're mostly killing each other.
It's called CPIC, the Crime Prevention and Information Center on the 5th floor of Chicago Police Headquarters.
Analysts here can access every security camera in town, prompted by constantly updated message boards that reflect what's happening on Chicago's sometimes bloody streets. Shortly after, sometimes even before, beat cops arrive at the scene of a shooting, computers in their squad cars may already have received information about other, similar crimes and potential suspects sent from CPIC.
The data is how Chicago's top cop holds his top brass accountable, as we saw at Thursday's monthly meeting. Using a blizzard of computer-generated charts and displays, they analyzed the recent, shocking upsurge in homicide, McCarthy often expressing impatience.
"If they don't go away, they're gonna shoot tomorrow or the next day or the next week," McCarthy said. "The idea here is to swamp and destroy that gang."
McCarthy and other experts claim much of the bloodshed staining Chicago's sidewalks and streets can be linked to about 450 gang bangers, who are both killers and victims.
In the high-crime district around Harrison and Kedzie, for example, the murder rate is three times higher than the citywide average. But it turns out gang bangers there are killed at a rate 116 times higher than the average. If those gang killings could somehow be eliminated, the West Side neighborhood's murder rate would resemble the rest of the city. If McCarthy wants to reduce the body count, he needs to stop Chicago's gangsters from slaughtering each other.
"It's about saying, 'These are the guys. Now go get them, so they don't murder somebody or become the victim of murder,'" McCarthy says. "It's a murder reduction program. And it's probably the only one in the country. I don't believe that this method is being used anywhere else to identify those individuals most likely to be involved in murder."
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