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I am looking for advice from other owners on how to handle situations where your paying guests are having additional company.
My Jan/Feb 2011 renters rented from me in 2010. I negotiated a rate with them based on two guests - I said I will charge you X amount if it is just two of you staying in our home. In a roundabout way, I discovered they had another couple visiting for two weeks.
In correspondence with my renters regarding their 2011 visit, it came to my attention from a question they asked, they would be having guests again. I replied and asked them how much company they would have. They stated they would be having three couples for a week each. I replied and said I had two concerns about them having additional guests:
1. Our HOA requires notification of who is staying in the home at all times, including how many guests. Failure to give proper notification will result in fines (which at this time are $100). I have their lease addendum sent to the HOA already, and it indicates just the two of them as guests.
2. Our rate was negotiated based on two guests. Having additional guests adds additional water, electricity and cleaning costs. Also it adds liability and wear and tear on the home. I am not being compensated for this.
I told them I needed to know who would be in the unit...and I hoped they would be considerate and offer to send additional payment.
I had no response from them. Obviously they are not happy with me and with the note I sent them.
Other than this, they are responsible, considerate renters.
How should I handle this situation this year? I don't want to lose them as renters, but I feel I am being taken advantage of. I feel they are saying to their friends - "come on down and stay with us, it won't cost you anything" - however it costs me! Or, they are charging them, and recouping some of their rental cost? In either event, it is not fair to me as the homeowner.
How should I handle this situation in the future? Should I change the language in my contract and invoice to indicate "The above stated rate is based on X number of people staying in the unit. There will be a charge of X amount per night per person for additional guests"...
Another big concern I have is liability. The guests my renters have are not signing the contract, or named in the contract. Therefore, they are not signing anything saying they are responsible for damages, etc. And they are not signing anything saying the homeowner is not responsible for any accidents, injuries, etc that would occur while staying at the home.
I would appreciate any comments, suggestions or solutions other homeowners have regarding this.
As far as this year's renters, I would send an invoice for the extra guests explaining that the original rate and the rental agreement was for two persons and any additional persons would be an additional charge of $____ per person per week. The current renters should be responsible for any damages to the unit by their guests and you should be able to deduct any legitimate costs for repairs from their security deposit. In my opinion they are breaking the rental agreement by having the extra people as guests for a week at a time. If you want to keep them as renters, you may have to negotiate this rate since the check-in date is fast approaching.
In order to avoid this situation with future renters, you might want to think about adjusting your rental structure. I have the same rate for 1-6 people staying in the condo; I do not give a lower rate for 2 people. Althought at first this might not seem fair to a group of only 2 people, I discovered after the fact that they often had guests stay with them without my knowledge - the same as your situation. So by having the same rate for 1-6 persons (max. of 6), the situation is avoided.
In your rental agreement you would want to include a statement from the homeowners' association that all persons staying in the unit for even one night must be registered or the renter of the unit will be fined $100 per violation. Since there is no price difference on the rental rate for 1-6 persons, the renter signing the agreement is more likely to register all of the names when making the reservation. I also have a statement in the agreement stating that the renter is responsible for damages caused by anyone in his party staying in the unit or guests visiting the unit. You might want to check with an attorney for a legal opinion on these issues.
To cover Liability, You definitely need to add the clause of:
"Tenant is responsible for the rented accommodation & its inventory during rental term and will be held responsible for damages &/or items that are removed from property by tenant or its fellow houseguests' during rental term."
This holds your original Rental Contract Signee responsible for all liability During the contractual dates of stay.
As for the number of occupants, I think you may not be perfectly clear with your tenants as to how you define and charge your rates. It should be in clear print that the cost is based on a per person, per night/week/month condition.
Maybe add a section to your Rental Agreement, Terms & Conditions or Policies & Procedures (whatever you are calling it) about your rate structure.
"Rates: The contract rates are in U.S. Dollars and are based on a per person charge. Any changes to the number of occupants must be approved prior to arrival and will be charged an additional $/person. Please contact the owners immediately by calling ... "
We have had renters show up with more people than originally planned and charged them directly. Our Propery Manager collects these funds so that there are no delays and not deducted from the Security Deposit.
HOA Policies should be in your Rental Agreement.
Hope this helps.
We have had a similar problem, and it is aggravated by the fact that our condominium association limits the rental occupancy of the units and some owners are advertising occupancy greater than allowed on VRBO and HomeAway!
We do the following, and I think it helps: (1) We keep the fee for additional guests low. I honestly don't think that the cost of additional people staying in the unit is all that much, and I think that a fee that is 75% of the dominant "additional guest fee" covers the additional costs, and removes some of the incentive for "cheating".(2) We request the names of everyone who will be staying. The BOD recently required that for security reasons owners notify the manager of everyone staying in the condominium, which gives us a good excuse to collect this information and also inhibits over-occupancy. (3) We have in the rental agreement a statement that if we become aware that unauthorized guests are discovered in the unit, a charge will be made that is twice regular guest fee. We also have a statement that if guests above the condominium allowed number are discovered, the manager is authorized to evict the entire party and no refund of charges will be provided. Finally (4) most of our stays are short. On stays of a week or more, we include a mid-stay "llight housekeeping" at no additional charge. This gives the HK staff an opportunity a chance to inspect the premises.
Adide from what we do, I think that Slundeberg's suggestion of changing the rate structure makes sense for larger properties, that can accommodate a large number of guests.
We have a related but different issue - a large alpine vacation home for 12 guests, where its tempting to invite other guests to stay [usually 3 night rental]. The concern is actually 2-part: a) extra overnight guests and b) extra daytime/evening visitors - essentially a social gathering or party. We are concerned that 12 can quickly turn into 20 as happened before we bought the cabin. With so many additional people, the risks escalate in multiple ways: smoking, personal injury, damage, theft, and of course upset by other cabin owners as a result of excessive noise. We are inclined to just say NO and charge up to $500 and risk eviction [hard to do], if this limit is significantly violated. We have exterior security cameras so this concern is actually easy to monitor. Suggestions? Perspectives? Thx.
We had a recent situation, whereas we had 2 paying guests and only 2 on the rental agreement ( signed, dated and confirmed ). We had no idea that the 2 guests invited more guests. We found this out when our housekeeper called us and asked us "how many people were on the agreement?" I answered "just 2". Apparently, there were 5 people (2 stayed over and 1 extra came over the day after to do his laundry) in my rental. My housekeeper went on to say that the place was trashed, there were piled high dishes everywhere, every single linen and towels were used and there was a pizza stain in my white sofa covers. Here is what we did, as I found this out AFTER the guest had checked out. I called the guest to find out what exactly had happened?? They told me that they met up with their friends in Seaside and decided to hang out at the beach ( my condo ), they drank alittle too much and him and his girfriend couldn't drive back so they stayed over. I charged the $50 per extra guest ($150), however my agreement does state that if all guests are not on the agreement, then they will be evicted and no money will be returned. It's a honesty system when it comes to guests and us (vacation rental owners). We are suppose to pre-screen our guests, but even then they can lie to us. Which in this case the paying guest did and thus, he is not welcomed back, plus we had to charge his credit card extra. I made it clear that if he disputes it, then we would take him to small claims court and add those fees to his charges as well. Alittle harsh? I think not, as he knew it going forward with the agreement when he signed the paperwork.
Thanks for the story, and learning point. very reluctantly, we added a simple costco video security system at the entrances and now Re: Guests Having Unpaying Guests scan the video playback for: # cars, and then if necessary, specific head counts of coming and going. Interestingly it has decreased our stress level but now I have proof that the agreement was violated. We indicate on the Agreement that there will be an extra charge of $500 Re: Guests Having Unpaying Guests per night and/or immediate eviction. So when its come time to settle up I say to them "we are prepared to charge your charge $400 rather than $1000 to which we are entitled to charge you. You can either pay the requested amount or see us in small claims w no arbitration available. $50 seems too small a charge - maybe $75-100? although like you we can also charge an excess cleaning and garbage removal fee. thanks again for giving your perspective.
We were thinking about installing a camera. We even looked into wireless
video whereas we can see it all on our computer, call our housekeeper, and
have her go over to ask them to leave with no refund. As long as the camera
pointed outside into the parking lot, for us it would be difficult to see
how many people were actually coming into our place. We are in a 9 unit
building. Though, we could definitely angle the camera "just over the
doorway". I might re-think the camera idea. It would bring alittle
more peace of mind for us.
One more thing too, we use CSA's rental protection through VRBO. If there
is any damage to our place then we charge the insurance company. We haven't
had to do this yet. I hope we don't. Yet, I feel, it's easier to go through
the insurance company than to drag out a small claims court issue, even if
we are awarded damages there is no guarantee that the person is paying the
cost. Whereas, CSA pays the claim up to 3K or more, depending on the
damages and which tier you are insured for. Do you have that with your
rental? It's just a protection policy for the time that the renter is there
and it covers all damages and missing items. We just have the guest pay the
CSA fee at time of booking and most if not all are willing to pay it. Yet,
there is still that clause in our agreement that tell our guests $50/per
guest not on the agreement with eviction. I like the idea of $75-100/guest-
that might make them think twice.
Yep wireless is good. Like Vera. We have 8 cameras.
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I seriously doubt I would ever discouraged anyone from refraining from driving when over indulged. I would only have passed on my cost in that incident.
Replying to Nono - I too would of passed definitely, if that was all it was, but my housekeeper mentioned that they totally disrespected the place. So there was no passing.
You will find a different guest who will respect home. I don't think what you are charging for extra guests is out of line. I add into my contract no additional guests. Additional guests will be cause for eviction of everyone . because the sign a lease, they are breaking it if they have additional people and therefore they can be evicted for tresspassing. Never have had to do it. I think people are too afraid to.
I have a one bedroom condo in a complex with a resident manager in the mountains. I politely explain that the maximum number of people is 4 and that the resident manager is made aware of the number of people that are to occupy the unit. I offer to assist them in finding an adjacent unit so they can be together. I then inviite them to consider my property agian in the future when they aren't traveling as a group. This type of response is a good way to continue to build a base for future rentals.
That's why I don't charge for extra guests because you really can't monitor how many there will be. I charge a set rate + cleaning/laundry fees and tell them they have up to a certain number of guests. If they have extra they usually ask me if it's OK. I think by setting a set price for up to a certain number of guests is easier and less of a hassle to deal with.
This has been a MAJOR issue with our guests.
It is clearly stated in our lease agreement that all guests must be listed on the agreement, or...eviction. We stay in our 40 ft motor home 2 properties away. We saw the extra car, and went over to check it out. They introduced us to their 2 relatives that were going to stay over 1 night. Because 2 other relatives left the day before, they thought it would be fine. We let them know that it was in violation of the lease, but we graciously gave in. Of course, we were angry at ourselves for not following through on the lease conditions. Well, as it turned out, they wrote our ONLY negative review. stating that they didn't feel that they had the privacy they thought they would have, and felt that we were keeping tabs on them. I take a lot of pride in the revies that are written about our home. I contacted Home Away and explained the situation, but they said that they could not remove the review of a guest that has stayed there. How do you follow through on your lease terms, when itt will make the renter angry, and will write a bad review? I suppose this could be another topic in the forum
The renters DO have a point. If you weren't living close by you would be none the wiser. Pull your head in and find something more important to worry about.
I used to think this way - that not knowing about excess renters, etc is better. But worried like crazy when we had a bad 'gut' feeling that a renter might abuse their privileges. We've now installed security cameras near entrances, as horrible as that sounds [nothing illegal or inappropriate about it]. Remotely, and within the first few hours after check in, we do a spot check of # of cars, and if more than anticipated, go back and review the tape in fast forward to see how many guests arrived. Takes 10 minutes but provides much more peace of mind. While I didn't intervene when twice as many guests were counted as agreed on the rental form, I did charge them $300 for excess guests rather than the $500/night excess guest penalty. I told them they could pay the $300 or we could go to Small Claims and tangle over $500/night. They paid the $300 and apologized. We used the $300 for excess cleaning, extra cost of heating fuel and electricity [gigantic in mountain vacation home regions]. Problem solved.
I have a 3 bedroom house that I rent to 6 people maximum. The house could sleep 9, but with one bathroom, I feel 6 is more than enough. I charge the same for 2 people as for 6. My lease states that the house is for 6 people only and if more people are found to be staying there, we have the right to evict. I think being very word specific in the lease agreement saying "Rate is for 2 (two) persons. Everyone staying in the unit must sign the lease agreement. Persons found to be staying in the rental unit not on the lease will be charged accordingly". State the rules of the HOA and possibly raise your security deposit to cover the possibility that you are charged by the HOA for extra people, and deduct the amount from the security deposit. I also have an HOA but they do not regulate how many people can stay in the unit, but I still use the fact that there is an association with rules and that the HOA president lives in the house next door, and let them know that if there are any problems and they can't reach me that he is next door. I know that they can always reach myself or my husband, but it sends the signal that someone is there keeping and eye on the place. I also have renters initial each paragraph on the lease, to show that they have read it and understand, so if there are any problems and I ever have to evict I can show them the lease in case they say they didn't know.
I was unaware of this post before I posted my question about......................what about the guests that come and go through-out the day, but don't spend the night? I had this happen recently. There was 7 guests and my contract limits the number of guests to the inquiry. My neighbor called and said that there were at least 10 people coming and going, 8 of them children (argh). I called and the guest stated that these were siblings that they were visiting and their families, but that none of them are spending the night. I let this one go because I thought perhaps that I wasn't clear enough with just stating the use was limited to the number of guests on the inquiry.
When it is clear that there is a party situation (other than Christmas and other holidays that I have pre-agreed to) I don't even allow it! Can someone tell me if there is a way to clearly state that the number of guests includes anyone visiting, without discouraging people from renting my property instead of someone elses??? I have a very good contract that covers almost everything else, but of course we don't want it so restrictive that it turns people away from renting, or as others have stated that I am spying on them???
We rewrote our paragraph on occupancy. You or anyone may use it. Also when communicating with guests I ask if they will be having friends or family visit during their stay. We will be flexible with family visitors. We have not had any more problems since those guests that brought in more people felt like we were keeping tabs on them or spying on them.
. Maximum Occupancy – At all times, the maximum number of people to be on the property is limited to 8 and is specific to the people originally disclosed and listed as guests
in item #1, Item #1 should include all guests (including infants) and any expected "day guests" or "day visitors". Any unplanned "day visitors" must be pre-approved by Owners in advance. If you bring in extra guests or visitors without prior approval, guest(s) will be asked to vacate the property. Any security payments and all rent will be subject to forfeiture. Absolutely No House parties.
Hope this helps some owners.
Thank you, have you had anyone complain about it being too restrictive?
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No one has complained that the clause in the agreement is too restrictive. It has lent itself to open discussions about visitor/s coming, and whether it would work or not.
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I am not sure I understand your question? I am new to being an ambassador, but if you are asking....why I would be asking a question....I will always, no matter how much I can share of my own experience want to improve my knowledge of what makes a better situation for me, or others. Is that what you are asking? I am thankful to glean any information that makes renting my Vacation Rental out without opening myself up to being taken advantage of and sharing what I learn with others.
Hi kbaz, wendy.n, et. all
My price policy is fixed for double occupancy [two people] and there are addtional charges per extra, per night. But, my place is small so my occupancy limit for booked guests is limited, in any case. After a first few months, as a newbie, I got a grip on how to handle the situation you've described because I experienced some abuses.
I have a restricted occupany limit e.g., against unannounced extra guests. I simply had to do this when, in my first year of renting [meaning, I was green], there were a couple of instances with my registered guests that opened my eyes. They were people who lived locally on my island, wanted to rent my place...and I never was told, nor did I suspect [me = green] that they would have so many "friends and family" who just "dropped by" [from clear across the other far end of the island...e.g. 2 hours away]. They sure enjoyed all my amenities!!!! And, boy did they abuse my home and then disrespect me. Never, ever again. But, I do live very near my rental so no one would dare sneak people over, if we do not have an agreement in advance ...and it will still be very limited. My place is not large, but a dozen "friends" once showed up for a BBQ at my cottage...and it happened twice by the same "guest" of mine in the same week. I caught on, fast.
After those incidences, I'm wiser, bolder and more clear in my rental rules about this. If I'm interested in the booking, I send my info package with full details ...plus the quote...and rental terms / conditions {that's where I tell people about the occupancy limit}. So, they can decide to rent with me, or not, before we actually transact. I do not accept reservations until I know that they are okay with my limit...yes - I ask them.
Have I lost business? As far as I can possibly know, yes! A few times people told me, after they saw my occupancy limit, that they wanted to invite others over...to day visit ....to hold family "meet up"....to have a luau (!!!)....or to have their children's friends "come over to play". They were all local residents who wanted to rent my cottage for some "time near beaches"...where I am. One woman told me that she "babysits" for three families, a kind of private day care....and she actually asked me if she could bring the kids over to watch them in my cottage. This was so daunting to me because she tried to explain that she wanted a "vacation" away from her area so she could enjoy the beaches near me....but she was going to continue "working her babysitting gig" at my place during the days! That would mean parents would be dropping off and picking up children throughout the day. In all of those cases, my limited occupany rule stood in the way for everyone's plans...and so they did not book. I would never have accepted any of those renters under *their terms* anyway! I realized that I needed to address this situation with "locals" if they want to book with me...and I do. The result is...I get very few local residents booking with me because I won't permit them a free hand on how to use my vacation home. I'm fine with this...I don't want those scenarios, so my occupancy limit actually filters them out -- by their own decision to go elsewere.
Perhaps, I also have lost business without even knowing it, e.g., perhaps I can assume that a percentage of "the non responders" could be rejecting because of my occupancy limit? I don't really care! I have no problems getting others to rent.....travellers flock to my area all year because the weather is always great.....and ...as a result, I have had no further problems with "non registered guests" at my place.
thank you for the reply....I am going to change my contract and welcome letter to be more specific and include that my neighbors keep an eye on the place. That should help
Also, I disagree with Tewy that we should pull our heads in and worry about something else. Enough home owners have written about this concern to indicate that further discussion is needed. It is important to us. The more people that go in and out of our house, the more wear and tear and dirt to be cleaned. We need to deal with this and welcome other ideas from owners.
And then there's the issue that when we approach a renter for breaking the terms of the lease agreement, they give us a bad review even when we graciously allow them to have the extra visitors.
I agree that too many guests can be a problem, both overnight and day-time visitors. Where we have difficulty is in monitoring the number of guests.
I personally am not comfortable with security cameras for my house, even though outside ones are perfectly legal. My big front porch is where most of my guests gather and socialize and it seems intrusive to have a camera monitoring them there.
I have had several groups ask me if they could bring sleeping bags for a few extra people; I usually say no and point to a house or two down the street and suggest they rent two houses if they have that many people. But sometimes they don't ask (surprise!). I do have a clause in my contract stating maximum occupancy, but it is difficult to enforce.
I had a long-time repeat renter who always seemed to have too many people in the house, but I couldn't really prove it. My cleaning people would report that it looked like there were extra people in the house. Last year, he complained that my refrigerator ice maker wasn't making ice fast enough so I called a repairman and scheduled a call at 8 am and told the guest we would be there early to look at the problem. When we walked in, there was a person sleeping on the living room sofa!!! The repairman said the ice maker was just fine, but that no ice maker could make enough ice for so many people (my house sleeps 14 in beds and I have one rollaway cot and one "pack n play" for a toddler). When this renter tried to reserve a week again for this summer, I politely said we were booked, sorry!
So, in the case of this person, they didn't even care that they had extra people (on the couch). I guess that is the day and age that we live in.
There seems to be a mindset among some people that "permits themselves" to break rules...when they know very well that what they do {in someone's home} is not permitted by the owner....like, overloading occupancy so much that people sleep on furniture, floors and even garden deck chairs when extra cots are not provided. They want to do something so they just give themselves permission because they think "we paid for this place" so they can do as they please...-or- "the owner must be wealthy to have this wonderful vacation home" - if something breaks, they can afford it....-or-.... there's damage insurance so it won't matter if the children roller skate on the beautiful hardwood floors....or bleed on the sofa {the bleeding happened on my sofa -- the guests flipped the cushion so I wouldn't detect it right away --- but I did! The sofa was also wet on one time when the rules state that no one, regardless of age, may sleep on the sofa custions. A woman didn't think that applied to her toddler who napped on the sofa}. That mentality is what I call the "renter mindset"...as opposed to the "guest mindset"....the guest is just that...they too paid but they act differently..."respectfully... as a guest in another person's home". Renter = care less /// Guest = respect {that's my mindset.}
I have to perform a bit of due diligence to detect "the renter"....so I guard myself with restrictions ...and it's been very successful for me to make those restrictions known -- before I accept a reservation. And, I do not trust anyone's "verbal" statements of assurance {I think we are beyond the days of people upholding a promise between strangers in a deal. The handshake may still be valid, but it's just not respected any longer}.
Before and after an unwanted event, people have selected memory, people forget, people don't pay attention to detail ....and people lie...they even get their family and friends to lie for them! So, whether I talk to them at all before they book is not even the point for me....in writing, I get them to prove to me that they read my "offer" which does include an "orientation" with my rental terms, conditions and restrictions....and I include why I have that particular restriction on "visitors. I want to know if they read it...I ask them how they feel about it and whether it will affect the quality of their vacation in my home. I get their response by email [intentionally]. The overwhelming majority say it's fine with them because they're coming for a vacation - away from their friends and family - they do not know anyone in my location. Fortunately, 99.99% of folks who travel so far to spend a vacation in my State are good people looking for a relaxing, fun and adventurous time....and not to cheat anyone. The few folks who did wrong in my home were just that....very few and far between. I do believe that being bold about restrictions helps, too. I want people to know, up front, so they can decide whether my place is right for them...or not...before I take anyone's money.
So, be specific in your "terms and conditions" section of your 'welcome letter' before you book them. Mention whether your limit affects relatives, family, and people "befriended" during the stay. My first "terms" only spoke of unregistered relatives and friends who live on my island. Then....
I once rented to a couple {who did not live here} that had two children....and they met another family on the beach who had 3 children....and they invited that family to my little vacation cottage {breaking the term} ...but 4 adults and 5 children overflowing my property running {noise galore} around made for an obvious violation. I politely reminded them {the next day-- I could have 'on the spot' but I'm not confrontational or rude to anyone}....and the guy made a feeble attempt to defend themselves by stating that that family were neither relatives nor friends who live on the island {which my term stated!}. Geeze...do we really have to be so explicit? Yes. So, my "rental term" then evolved to specify that they may not increase occupany in any manner including people they happen to befriend during their stay...with no prior agreement, e.g. if not on the contract. It's absurd that I should have to do that....but honestly people will give themselves permission to to whatever they want. P.S. I have, agreed, on the spot, that some of my good guests could invite a friend or two over that they hadn't planned prior to the visit {it has happened very few times}, but they were respectful to come to my door to ask me. I can and do "permit myself" to be flexible. I aim for happy vacation time in my home.....as long as people have "respect" for my home, my terms, and me.
The way companies are marketing private vacation homes vs hotels further fosters that mindset. People do, in our homes, what they would never even think of doing in hotels, e.g., invite friends and family to stay in the room...bring sleeping bags to hotel rooms and grounds...sleep on furniture, floors, on porches, even sleeping on garden lounge and deck chairs. Hotels have rules. We must have rules. With no such occupancy rules we will have anarchy at our property.
I so appreciate your response! I didn't realize until all these responses how widespread this mindset is. I am getting to work on my contract soon!
Me too! Thanks for sharing!
Here is why my cleaning lady stated about the folks that I was concerned about. And actually my contract was already clear about the number of "guests" staying. So, this is the first time that I am withholding the deposit.....I'll keep you posted as to what happens. Bad review, reversed credit card charge......ARGH! But, I feel we have to take a stand some time, right?
Hi Wendy,
I just wanted to let you know that I started cleaning. The kitchen floor was filthy. Black streaks all over and melted, dried on chocolate and I think ice cream. I went and cleaned in by hand before I could mop it. I spent almost 2 hours over there and just started laundry and most of the kitchen. A lot of dried on food on and around the dining table.
There was also blood on a pillow case, which I'm treating and hopefully will come out in the wash. The white tab that covers where the toilet is bolted to the floor 1 is missing. There is a tab missing on the front of the fridge also, so there is a little hole that is white showing.
Lots of furniture moved again. I think that's part of what took so long today.
I will be going back over in the morning to finish up. Feel free to call me,
Hi Wendy,
The house is all done. I found more food on walls and dried on cushions of the dining chairs, but eventually got it all out. I didn't find any damage. Other than those missing tabs that I told you about. The dish towels are looking dingy, and bleach isn't helping them, so we might want to replace them soon. One of the dish clothes had food caked on it and didn't come clean, so I brought it home. I will try to wash it with my rag towels and see if it gets any better.
Wish we had this level of communication with our cleaner!
She is truly amazing...she notes everything and I just am so thankful. She also lives right across the street! Keeps an eye on things.
Well, as I suspected they replied, but it was not the person that I booked with but her Mom. (really?) Anyway, apparently she did not know that her daughter not once, but twice told me that there were only 7 people staying in the home. Mom states in writing that 5 adults and 5 children under the age of 6 were staying in the home. WHAT? No wonder my cleaning lady was scrubbing for hours. This is a 3 bedroom home with two extra cots. Where in the world did 10 people sleep. Then she informed me (in writing) that there were others that visited through-out the week.
I politely told her that if there had been no incidences of doors left wide open while there were gone, a messy home, etc, etc, that the deposit is "less" than I would have charged for all those extra people, "IF" I would have even considered renting my home to that many people in the first place.
How sad that some just take terrible advantage this way!
I don't know if they will put in a review or not, time will tell. If they do though....I don't think that it will be regarded by anyone searching as it would be easy to just state that there were 10 people instead of 7. AND all my other reviews, all 37 are 5 stars!
Hi wendy,
It's interesting that your guest's Mom called...and I assume that the Mom was one of the 10 people that stayed in your home. Perhaps the daughter thought that her Mom could "rescue her" from paying extra by claiming "ignorance" to what the agreement with you was. It's irrelevant....anyway...you contracted with her daughter and it was up to her daughter to uphold the terms. Mom has nothing to do with what went wrong...her "adult" daughter should act like one and respect the terms she signed onto.
It's frustrating...we, Owners, are expected to fulfil every last point on a contract...make certain that the salt shaker is not empty...or there is a "potato masher"... or God Forbid the water doesn't heat up *fast enough*....but people like your "adult-daughter guest" permits themselves to be negligent on contract terms....and we're supposed to fear their wrath of the bad review.
I sincerely hope that she {daughter} realizes that she was wrong...{that she acts like an adult and just reviews the contract and respect the terms}...and I hope she doesn't submit a negative review for you. You do not deserve that. You fulfilled your end of the contract. She came, she invited others to come, they used your home, they apparently enjoyed it. But, if she does write something bad, you can easily "deflate" it......just by stating that you regret having to hold her security but she voilated her contract with you, but you have no choice because she overloaded your home with "extra non-paying guests"....departing the home left in poor condition. {I also think, if you word it right, professionally, your comment will give a "signal" that the contract is to be upheld or there are consequences.} Your 37 five-star reviews from responsible and respectful guests will cancel out anything this "adult/daughter" could say about you or your home.
Let's hope you don't have to deal with this again.
Exactly, While I don't want to be unfeeling towards people, I too think that we are expected to hold to the letter of the contract, while they pick and choose what they would like to honor. It is frustrating. I do have to remember that this is just a very small percentage of my guests though. Most leave the home wonderful and have a really great attitude towards me, my home and the belongings. Here's to more of them!
We are currently in a very similar situatuion. What happened when you did not return the deposit?
In our state, we are issued a license and it is for a specific number of people overnight over the age of 2 years and cars parked on the property. There are very large fines for going over that number and it is enforced if a neighbor complains. I am very direct with renters that they cannot exceed that number and if they do, they will pay for the citation out of their security deposit. I recently had a family who was ready to book, but there were too many people and we turned down the booking. I cannot take that risk and lose my license!
In quickly rereading the prior posts I realize we've overcome many of the complaints reported about excess guests. I would be happy to share with others how we've either prevented or remedied problems associated with possible bad reviews [eliminated this problem completely] and clarity problems with the Agreement. But we have a concern for which I would appreciate any advice: how to evict a guest with excess visitors -- our home sleeps 12 and the renter invited 45 or so additional guests each day, even thou they slept elsewhere. This put us, the renter, and the home at considerable risk. How do I go about evicting them during their stay? Ask the police to do this? Hire a giant to stand their while they collect their things? Pray more that nothing goes wrong??
Does your contract limit the number of guests, including day guests? If not,your options are limited.
I would think twice before calling the sheriff on your own property. That places a big target on your property and may lead to a nuisance complaint against you or stepped-up enforcement of noise ordinances, rental regulations, etc. Have you called the person who signed the lease, told them you are aware of what has been going on, and asked them to stop immediately? Maybe you could imply that the next step is to call in the police -- although I'm not a fan of empty threats, sometimes this can work.
Yes, the contract sets the maximum number. So you are saying that contacting police invites extra attention in different forms. Hadn't considered that but typically its not a noise issue but more of a daytime risk issue.
I mentioned that recently we had 45 "extended family" guests show up beyond the 12 paid guests - no prior request to do this. Our home is quite nice and contains 3 sets of stairs -- when these unsolicited big groups show up they often bring little kids who appear under supervised [we have outside public security cameras that are reviewed after guests leave only if a neighbor reports excess vehicles and guests on the property]. For their sake and ours we can't take on these types of risks, nor expect that every guest will care for the home.
I thought about contracting w an private security person who, when wearing a "uniform" etc could tell people they have to leave in the next 15 minutes or he will call the police for back up. Because of the security tape its easy to document excess visitors
To prevent any problems, and keeping their security deposit, I've taken to contacting the guests about 3 weeks before their arrival to review and affirm their understanding about number of guests and to underline [w/o threatening them] that this is our home, its nice because we do limit guests, and that if they want to have a big group they can rent a local hotel conference room for a family/friends party, but if they have invited other visitors they need to tell us now and it we can find an agreement, it will be necessary for them to pick a different vacation home and we will refund their entire payment. In the past 2 months we did that twice
Does your lease include a rental rate for each extra guest? Mine doesn't but I'm thinking of adding it. In my state, I can't withhold security deposit just because they broke the rules, but I can withhold it if they owe me rent. If I included a rental charge of $75/night for additional guests, for example, (or $50/day for day guests) in the lease, and if I could prove that extra guests were indeed there, I believe withholding security deposit would be upheld if we went to court.
Of course, depending on the size of the security deposit, some guests may figure it's cheaper to forfeit the deposit than to hire a hotel's event room.
How much longer are they in your home? If they still have a few more days, I'd be inclined to call them now, tell them you've heard from neighbors that there appears to be a big party going on right now, and you will be over there in 1/2 an hour to check it out and make sure they are not violating the lease. (My lease gives me the right to enter without notice if there is a safety issue, and it seems you believe that to be the case). That might scare the party away. (Of course, if you are alone and fear for your safety, having a friend or relative tag along would be wise.) And I would tell them you'll be monitoring and if it happens again, you'll call the police and have them thrown out. While it's not clear if you have the legal right to evict them, (it really depends on your state and local laws), chances are they don't know the laws either so they may believe your bluff.
Very helpful perspectives, thanks. Turns out my state also doesn't allow owners to take part of security deposit for excess guests. So the Agreement needs to be changed to reflect this. Think I'm going to charge $30/ea day or overnight guest. Because we have entrance security cameras its possible to verify number of guests, which we only do where a safety or security issue is raised. We typically have guests for 2-7 days. Because our home is large, nice, and reasonably priced plenty of guests go ahead and invite others to enjoy their great find. Not good since it exposes us to huge potential liability if we don't try and prevent such excesses.
Two other issues: a) tossing abusers of the excess guest limit; and b) retrospectively amending agreements already made but not yet fulfilled. I think we are going to have a big guy - personal representative come on the property when there is a report of excess vehicles in the drive way. He will ask to enter the property because there is a concern about safety. If they refuse he will indicate that if there are excess guests they will be charged $30/visitor and $150 for his visit to request removal of excess guests. If they leave, the violating renter will pay for the visit but not excess guests. Yes?
Secondly, I'm going to contact all the upcoming renters and ask them to sign an addendum to the Agreement which further clarifies something they've already approved - a willingness to lose up to $350 for violating the terms. I'm also going to require that they cover and lock the Spa if there are excess guests, since there is greater risk younger children will not be supervised in the tub area. I think they will be more nervous about a personal rep coming to the property and asking to enter and inspect the building.
All said, this is much more of a risk/safety issue for us than a financial one. By not exercising diligence in preventing excess guests, I'm essentially exposing guests to greater risk of accident or injury - ironic that they have a better case for bringing legal action if I don't try hard to prevent them from bringing excess guests.
A little late to the party, but I'll chime in with how we've been approching the topic.
In ALL of our quotes, we have the following text:
"The quote below is based on X adults and Y children. When renting the house, we expect that this is the maximum number of people who will be at the house at any time, not just overnight guests."
We also often have people send in their inquiry asking to host more people than we allow. We don't turn these away completely, but include the following text right near the top of our response:
"I noticed your inquiry is for 10 adults. We have an 8 adult maximum (10 total with children) for the house. For groups under 25 years old, the limit is 6."
And in our contract we include as items 2 and 3:
|Renter. Guest affirms that he/she is 21 years old or older and will remain with the rental party throughout the rental period.
|____ (Initial)
|Rental Party. The rental party shall consist of X adults and X children. At no time may there be more than this number of persons on the property.
____ (Initial)
Whether this really gives us real protection in a court of law is questionable, but including it right in the quote seems to have knocked out a bunch of the people who would have been problems before they even got to the contract stage. Yeah, that's fewer tenants, but they're tenants we wouldn't have wanted anyway.
Yep, think its better to disqualify prospective renters, lose $, than wrangle with them later about fees for excess guests.
We have been allowing them to bring up to 4 additional visitors for a brief single meal visit if and only if they have written approval from us in advance and agree to lock the spa during their visit to reduce risk of accident or injury.
"Over-occupancy" and "excessive partying" seem to increase as problems with the size of the property.
Our VR is a one-bedroom condo of 926 square feet, which sleeps four comfortably and five somewhat tightly. Condominium regulations limit overnight occupancy to five, and we have been observing that regulation. We have noticed that there is a significant increase in "normal wear and tear" when occupancy reaches five. We suspect that because there are additional charges for overnight occupancy in excess of two,a very few of our guests may have "claimed" to be two, while they are a larger group. If this has happened, it has been very rare.
We really want our guests to have the best possible time. as long as the "normal wear and tear" is reasonably normal. If they have a party and invite a hundred well behaved people, and there is no damage or excessive wear., I couldn't care less., So far, actual damage to the unit has been trivial. In a bad year maybe it reaches two hundred dollars. Most years, it has been under a hundred. At one point, however, I had a nightmare about someone throwing a party and inviting a thousand guests, so I added the following to the Rental Agreement:
"... at no time shall there be a total of more than sixteen people within the unit".
Just hope that our luck holds up!
I had a recent guest that signed a Rental Contract stating there would be only 4 guest. 12 came. I stopped taking a $250.00 deposit and have been collecting the $49.50 Property Damage Insurance thinking that was enought and it seem to get me more bookings. Unfortunatilly we were not getting quality renters.
Our home is a Non Smoking Home, they smoked, they pulled down the ADT Smoke detector and and now I need to spend 200.00 between service call and parts. The 49.50 was not enough. All to gether they did $1400.00 in damage, and keep in mind that the Insurance Company does not pay for extra cleaning.
Had I taken a $250.00 depost, I would kept the money for the additonal cleaning, for bring extra guest, for smoking in our home.
Now I will not give our guest access to our home until we have a signed contract. Seconldy, I take a $250.00 deposit and charge all guest the $49.50 Property Damage Insurance, trust me that the damage the wrong guest can do in 2 days, the $250.00 will not cover.
I make it clear at our initial contact, emails, when I present a quote and in our contract. NO SMOKING ALLOWED, NO PARTIES, NO PETS AND NO EXTRA GUEST WITH OUT A FEE. Violation of any of the House Rules is an automatic forfeit of Deposit.
After I told my story to a potiental guest, she actually said she would have paid $500.00 deposit.
So dont under estimate potiential guest. Quality Guest expect Contracts & Deposit!
Protect yourself and protect your property!
In some states, you can't keep the security deposit for over occupancy, but you can deduct from it a per person charge for over occupancy, if stated in the Agreement up front. So if you charge $25/guest/day or night visit, and 8 guests come, you could charge $200/day. If they stayed 2 days, and the deposit is only $250, you could charge them an additional $150 for the guests not covered by the security deposit amount. If you don't create a roadblock to excess guests, and someone is injured, you could be faulted for allowing excess guests to show up and hurt themselves.
This is a common problem with VRBO's. I am pretty hard nosed about folks not going over the number of guests listed on the contract. I talk it about it specifically with them, both verbally and in e-mails. My contract states that not only will they lose their deposit, but that the contract can be automatically terminated and they will be evicted without any refund. In other words, they have paid for the week and will not get reimbursed even if they are required to leave. (which includes visiting folks that live nearby, unless previously agreed to)
I have good neighbors who call me when they see too many people either staying or visting. Then I usually call and find out what is going on. Some times we can work that out and the folks can stay with the understanding that they violated their contract, and are required to pay more. (very rarely do I let this occur). Or I tell them that they either have to reduce the number to the number of guests listed on the contract or they must all leave immedately.
I know sounds bad................but like others have said.....we have a big investment in these properties and it doesn't take to much for things to go bad in a hurry!
In reading the posted comments above I was surprised at the number of people who say "no damage no foul" or worse, "I'm not aware of any excess guest or visitor problem." I agree with twobit rentals that it is a problem, probably a significant problem, and becomes costly especially if an excess visitor is injured - they could argue you failed to show diigence in restricting excess guests either contractually or with spot-checks of guests, either with drive by, neighbor watch, or security cameras. We installed security cameras outside entrances and only scan them if the drive way camera shows excess cars or neighbors report excess guests. Either way, you probably can't keep the security deposit as a penalty unless you state in the agreement that there is a specifc charge for excess guests, per night -
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As additional reading, there's another piece of the puzzle, a fascinating study on the ability of humans to determine whether others are lying. It turns out normal people can tell a lie roughly 53% of the time, a track record slightly better than a coin toss. For those formally trained in lie detection, accuracy actually declines while confidence in their abilities increases. That's why, as Techniques and Controversies in the Interrogation of Suspects argues, when an interrogator begins with a presumption of guilt, he will often find evidence to back that up. Coupled with intensive interrogation, this can – and has – led to false confessions, even without the presence of torture.
The last selection to round out our week is a creative piece – translated from the Arabic, an excerpt from the book Biography of Ash by Khadija Marouazi, a human rights activist and professor of modern literature in Morocco. In her depictions of a man undergoing torture, what resonates is the impact his revelations have upon interrogators.
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Anyway, I'm interested to see how HIPPO Reads evolves over the next few months. It's a cool idea—providing a sort of in-depth primer on a particular subject—and I'm really impressed by how international this first entry is. Congrats to Kaitlin!
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Ph.D., Duke University
Professor Emerita
Areas of Expertise
British Empire
Modern England
Women's History
Oral History
Office Phone:561-297-3846
Dr. Frazer specializes in the British Empire, India, and Women's history with an emphasis on the modern period. She also offers a graduate class in Oral History. She is the recipient of many teaching awards including the Teaching Incentive Program Award and the University Distinguished Teaching Award.
Dr. Frazer's most recent publications include: "We Have Just Begun Not to Fight"; An Oral History of Conscientious Objectors in Civilian Public Service During World War II (1996 Co-authored); "All Quiet on the Hollywood Front: Actor Lew Ayres as Conscientious Objector," Film and History (1997); "Curzon and His Indian Legacy: Consumate Imperialist and Preserver of Ancient Monuments," Southeast Review of Asian Studies (1995); and numerous entries to the Historical Dictionary of the British Empire.
CoursesUndergraduate Courses
- History of U.S. Women
- History of Modern India
- Women in Asian History
- Indian Civilization
- Modern England
- British Empire
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- Women's History in the Developing World
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- Victorian England
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Saints Stay Perfect, Edge #20 Wayne State in 9th
– The 2nd-ranked North Georgia softball team matched their
best in school history on Sunday afternoon as the Saints took #20
Wayne State to a scoreless ninth inning and came away with a 4-1
victory over the Warriors on the final day of competition at the
UAH Charger Chillout.
The Saints 10th straight victory to start the season matches their best start in school history, a mark set to start the 2008 season, as ironically North Georgia dropped their 11th game two seasons ago at the UAH Charger Chillout in a 4-3 battle with Missouri Western.
Wayne State, ranked 20th in the nation, falls to 3-2 on the season after falling 1-0 to North Alabama on Saturday afternoon, an opponent the Saints will take on in their final game of the weekend on Sunday afternoon.
Zeros were the name of the game on Sunday neither team was able to push a run across through the first eight innings. The Warriors had a perfect chance to win it in the last of the eighth with a runner on third and just one out, but Sara Phillips coaxed a groundout and strikeout to send it to the ninth.
In the ninth, North Georgia took advantage of a Wayne State miscue to score the first run of the game, before Jessica Skeels notched her second hit of the day, a single through the left side to plate two more runs and cap a four-run inning.
Wayne State tried their best to mount a comeback in the last of the ninth, as Banton doubled to left field to bring home a run, but the North Georgia defense would not surrender another run in the 4-1 victory.
Phillips (7-0) stayed perfect on the season, lasting all 9.0 innings and allowing just two hits and no earned runs while striking out eight and walking two.
At the plate, Skeels was the only player with more then one hit for the Saints. Five other players added base knocks, while Wayne State pitching recorded 12 strikeouts.


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For 2013, there will be four Pre-O Adventure trips offered. Each trip is unique and they offer a variety of experiences. Learn more about the trips below.
The Original Pre-O Adventure: Laguna Mountains
Only 90 minutes east of campus, the Laguna Mountains is a beautiful location to start your USD career. While on Pre-O Adventure, you will spend two nights camping in tents at a national forest campground. Tents will fit between two and four people each. A sleeping bag and pad will help make this a comfortable experience. Meals will be prepared on camping stoves, over campfires and in Dutch Ovens. There will be picnic tables available. There are no showers or electricity.
Believe it or not, the Laguna Mountains are home to the Pacific Crest Trail - a national treasure that traverses the west coast from Mexico to Canada. We will only hike a small fraction of the 2,650 mile trail during our outing, but we will surely find a uniquely western scene that will rejuvenite, inspire and even surprise. Hike through chaparral, scrub oaks and pines to the rim of the Jeffrey pine shaded Laguna Mountains. Enjoy expansive views of Anza-Borrego State Park to the east and San Diego County and even the Pacific Ocean to the west.
Our ropes course experience will include a variety of individual and partner challenges that take place 30-45 feet off the ground! Participants will work together and in small groups to complete a series of elements. These elements will challenge participants to achieve more than they thought possible. Each new challenge offers the discovery of a new strength. We will close our trip with the ropes course on Friday and return to campus with a new found confidence to take on new challenges and push past perceived limits.
This trip takes place August 28-30, 2013. It is open to 50 incoming students. The cost is $265.
Backpack the Sierra Nevada Mountains
Experience one of the best panoramic views in the Sierra Nevada mountains! The challenges of traveling by foot and living out of a backpack are rewarded by pristine alpine lakes, giant Sequoias, rugged peaks and a shared sense of accomplishment.
The Sierra Nevada is a mountain range that runs 400 miles north to south in eastern California. It contains three of America's favorite national Parks (Yosemite, Kings Canyon and Sequoia) in addition to Lake Tahoe (the largest alpine lake in the country) and Mount Whitney (the highest point in the contiguous 48).
We will spend four nights camping in the mountains while backpacking between 4 and 10 miles per day at an elevation above 8,000 ft. There will be time to relax in camp, stargaze and get to know your fellow campers as you travel though spectacular mountain scenery.
The rugged beauty of the Sierras is a perfect backdrop for an inspiring Pre-O Adventure trip. Learn how to live in community, gain a new awareness about your relationship with the environment and pick up a few new camping skills along the way!
This trip takes place August 25-30, 2013. It is open to 10 incoming students. The cost is $425.
Hike, Snorkel & Kayak the Channel Islands
Close to Los Angeles, yet a world apart. Travel by boat 18 miles off the coast of California and camp on Santa Cruz Island, the largest of the Channel Islands. Sometimes referred to at the Galapagos of the United States, Santa Cruz Island is an amazing location to hike along cliffs, kayak sea caves and snorkel in a kelp forest.
The Channel Islands National Park, established in 1980, is one of the least visited national Parks despite it's proximity to Los Angeles. We will camp and explore Santa Cruz Island, the largest island off the California coast. One of the most visited islands in the park, Santa Cruz is the perfect place to hike, kayak and snorkel. Craggy coastline cliffs, mystical sea caves, a kelp forest and great underwater visibility makes this island appealing to adventure seekers.
Dolphins, whales, sea lions, garabaldi fish, sea birds, and the endemic island scrub jay and island fox are some of the wildlife we can anticipate seeing.
Santa Cruz is also rich in cultural history with over 10,000 years of American Indian habitation and 150 years of European ranching. Remnants of the ranching era are visible throughout the island.
This trip takes place August 25-30, 2013. It is open to 12 incoming students. The cost is $525.
Tall Ship Sailing off the California Coast
This sailing expedition will be one of your most unique experiences at USD. Once you step aboard the Irving Johnson, a 90 foot-long and 129 ton Brigantine, you become the crew that will sail this ship.
During this continuous sailing expedition in the open Pacific ocean you will be assigned a watch (a group of 4-6 sailors and 1 crew from the ship) that will take turns running all aspects of the ship 24 hours a day. From standing bow watch to plotting a course at the navigation table or taking a turn a the wheel steering the ship at night your crew will run the ship during a 4 hour watch duty.
You will learn about all aspect of tall ship sailing: navigation, astronomy and off-shore marine ecology all the while becoming more familiar with the life of a sailor. Learn a new vocabulary as you trim and furl the sails and learn knots, splicing and a variety of seamanship skills.
This will be an amazing experience where you will learn what it really means to work as a team, understanding the importance of both giving commands and the ability to follow them. Your watch will be like an alternate family as you cast away for this high seas adventure.
This trip takes place August 24-29, 2013. It is open to 8 incoming students. The cost is $625.


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After Fyffe beat the Panthers by four touchdowns earlier this season, Wellborn battled through the end in the rematch at The Hill.
Fyffe slipped through with a 35-21 win in the second round of the Class 2A state playoffs. Fyffe advances with an 11-1 record, while Wellborn completed the year at 8-4.
"Our guys played with a lot of heart and played really well," Wellborn coach Jeff Smith said. "I couldn't be any more proud of them, and I love them. They fought for four quarters."
After the first three quarters were played nearly flawless, with only two called penalties and zero turnovers, Fyffe took a 20-14 lead into the fourth quarter.
But the lead didn't last long.
Wellborn, which hadn't scored since 3:09 left in the first half, suddenly found its groove and marched straight down the field on five plays. The Panthers traveled 78 yards, picking up three first downs on the first three plays, and ended the series with Landon Machristie hitting Corri Tignor on a 36-yard touchdown pass to give Wellborn a 21-20 lead.
After the game was a defensive battle, the fourth quarter quickly turned into a shootout. Fyffe responded to the deficit with a five-play, 68-yard drive of its own, with Austin Stiefel scoring from 31 yards out. Following the 2-point conversion, the Red Devils led 28-21 and never trailed.
"I think it's big to get back up by seven," Fyffe coach Paul Benefield said. "They would have to have made a decision to kick or go for it if they scored again."
On Wellborn's ensuing drive, Tignor became Machristie's favorite target and the quarterback connected a 20-yard pass to his receiver and later a 26-yard heave to put the Panthers on the Fyffe 7-yard line.
"I think Corey Tignor made some great catches," Smith said. "He had the hot hand so we just kept trying to go back to him."
Wellborn (8-4) didn't smell the end zone for long, however.
With a little more than two minutes remaining, Will Brown intercepted a Wellborn pass 2 yards deep in the end zone on second-and-goal.
He returned it 64 yards, giving Fyffe the ball with good field position.
"Will Brown's interception was huge," Benefield said. "I don't know what happens right there if that doesn't happen."
Fyffe iced the game three plays later when Trent Thrash scored on a 23-yard touchdown run.
"He's a beast," Benefield said. "He wanted to play again. He doesn't want to stop."
Thrash had a game-high 187 yards and three touchdowns on 28 carries.
Stiefel recorded 144 yards and two touchdowns on 15 carries. Each scored a touchdown in the second quarter.
Wellborn was by led by Chantz Goodman in the first half and Machristie in the second. Goodman recorded 81 yards on 10 carries and two touchdowns, including a 70-yard run. Machristie finished the night with 145 yards through the air on 9-of-13 passing and a score. Kevin Mixon led the team with 54 yards on the ground, and Tignor finished with 70 yards and a score on three receptions.
"The kids laid it out there," Smith said. "We've only got five seniors, and they couldn't have shown better leadership than what they have."
Brandon Miller covers prep sports for The Star. He can be reached at 256-235-3575 or follow him on Twitter @bmiller_star


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Dont tell me what to do!
A little quote from my MSN convo with him:
^Alex^N says:
just try to do stuff that we say, including doulbe kicks no matter how much you hate them
Your welcome to have a listen to our music (it is metal) and tell me if I need to play more double kick. Am I being stubborn or am I right?
I am trying to a create my own style, and I have taken what a lot of pro dummers and people here are saying that young drummers are too concerned with speed and overuse double kicks.
http://myspace.com/hybridillusion - My Band
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Re: Dont tell me what to do!
If the singer is also the bandleader, then you do what he says.
Drummers (or any musicians) don't always get to play what they want. And those who insist on doing so usually just start their own bands to have it their way.
Ultimately, once you become known for your playing sensibilities, there will never be a question when you're hired for a gig or a session. But remember, even Vinnie gets hired to play 2&4, and cheerfully complies. He doesn't arbitrarily throw in chops... he does what the producer/artist wants.
The old saying is true: He who pays the piper calls the tune.
Whether or not the song in question needs a different part, the person in charge of the group decides what it will sound like.
Sorry, but that's a big part of what being a drummer is about. Even Paul told Ringo what to play on more than a few occasions.
Re: Dont tell me what to do!
i agree. it also depends on the situation. are you being paid? are you gigging? is this band your only viable option?
bermuda speaks from vast experience and certainly he has lived his own advice with weird al. but there has to be a balance. on the one hand you want to co-operate and serve the music and the song writer. on the other hand you want two things:
- you don't want to be a push over. how you react early on to these situation will set precidence over many future situations. argue sensible. give their ideas a go. let them know you are willing to try their ideas out but that you are also an artist in your own right.
- they must understand that you are a drummer. you study drums, listen to drums and have a broader and deeper understanding of drums than say a guitarist (unless they are also a drummer). their drumming ideas are often going to be limited to their limited experience unless they are seriously talented musicians (and these are far fewer than the amount of people out there who believe they are seriously talented). put it this way, if i was drumming for lenny kravitz and he told me he wanted to hear double bass then that's exactly what i would give him. but some dude in an unsigned band of hopefuls has got to have seriously impressed me with his skills before i would bow so easily to his ideas.
lastly ... remember, time is your friend. i have over the years resolved many such issues by seeming to agree and then slowly reshaping things my way over time anyway. for instance, my first serious band in south africa were a pop band going no where. this was in the early 90s. i joined and as the junior member i was instructed to play four on the floor pretty much all of the time. i argued that we should get heavier and more punk as a band. i was put down. but over the months i very slowly altered the way i played until, 4 years later when i left the band to come to london they were one of the new emerging numetal bands in south africa. and i consciously did this som i take credit for the direction they eventually went.
play double bass a little more, particularlyin practice but then begin to loose it here and there in the song structure at gigs. just remember to keep the heavy feel.
ps: and really lastly, sometimes the singer is right. so give their ideas a fair stab before rejecting. remember a little give might result in some take later on when you want something to happen in the creative department.
Re: Dont tell me what to do!
The singer is not the band leader. We do not have one. Everyone creates their own parts for the songs.
He nor the band have ever given me any specific examples or ideas just said 'Play more double kick or faster double kick"
I have said to him that I will try specific examples, not vague statements.
Thanks for your input guys. Just the advice I am looking for.
http://myspace.com/hybridillusion - My Band
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Re: Dont tell me what to do!
Bermuda is right about the pecking order within the perameters which he outlined. However, if you have no leader per se, & you are playing to the best of your abilities and still can't get to where the others want you to be, then maybe it's time to find a more suitable situation to be in, nothing wrong with that.
I struggled for years with double bass, I can use it tastefully but as much as I've tried, I simply can't achieve the fast ripping fugga dugga & blast beats that some bands want. Maybe it's because I'm 6'4" & my legs are way too long, or maybe this or that, whatever the reason, it doesn't keep me awake at night anymore. I do what I can do well & I still get calls for gigs & session work, so I just stay with what I like & work within my limitations.
I really don't care that much for fugga dugga anyway, but that's my problem. I'm happy to recommend someone who excels at it.
Sonor Phonics, Ludwigs & Sabians.
Re: Dont tell me what to do!
Bermuda is right, but since you guys are teens and still in school, there shouldn't be a 'bandleader'. You're not getting paid by him right? So, the individual musician should have the most control over what he or she plays, but if the band doesn't like it/thinks a part could be improved etc., then some adjustments could be made. Or maybe just for a song or two someone could put up with not liking it very much.
Re: Dont tell me what to do!
There's no absolute solution when it comes to this type of thing. In every band I've been in, I've been given suggestions about what to play here and there. I don't mind it until it gets to a point where it's just ridiculous and I feel like I have no control over what I play. That's when I put my foot down and make it clear I'll gladly take suggestions, but not orders.
Maintaining that balance is very important when you're playing with other people. You don't all share the same ears, so it's inevitable that you're going to want to make suggestions to the other guys in the band. And you owe it to them to listen to what they have to say and, if it's agreeable, make changes in your playing. But you should by no means be an organ-grinder monkey and do whatever they tell you to do.
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Bummis Tote Bag- large 23 x 22
" I bought this to line my diaper pail with. It works very well. No leakage into the diaper pail. I throw it in to wash with my diapers. Has held up nicely over 2 years of use. It does absorb some odor though...but stink is contained within pail as I have carbon filter on top of my pail. The smaller tote works well for swim gear. " --kbvr
Bummis Waterproof Bag (Small for outings- 9"X12")
" I was a real wuss about doing cloth diapers out of the house, but the little bummies bag has made it a lot easier to abandon the disposables. I did have to get a larger diaper bag though :(. I wash the bag with my cloth diapers even though I think you're not supposed to wash it on hot. It seems to be holding up pretty well though. The only thing I would change about this bag is maybe making a..." --Gretchen_PDX