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shelly April 24, 2014 at 11:58 am
Dawn, "Under the terms of the finance system, known as the Local Control Funding Formula,…Read More districts can receive additional funds for every high-needs student enrolled – as much as $3,000 per student once the formula is fully funded over the next eight years. High-needs students are defined as students who are low-income, English learners or foster youth, with low-income being the dominant category of need."
shelly April 24, 2014 at 12:05 pm
Dawn, "Provides a supplemental grant equal to 20 percent of the adjusted base grant for…Read More targeted disadvantaged students. Targeted students are those classified as English learners (EL), eligible to receive a free or reduced-price meal (FRPM), foster youth, or any combination of these factors (unduplicated count)."
The Face of Capistrano Unified to Leave This Week
Attorney: It's Too Time-Consuming to Fire a Bad Teacher
Capo Parent April 4, 2014 at 12:24 pm
Union tools, and dull ones at that.
shelly April 4, 2014 at 04:04 pm
Capo Parent, Why the name calling?
fact checker April 4, 2014 at 05:23 pm
Because factual and respectful discussions aren't getting the results wanted. It's easier to trash…Read More than it is to back up a losing prospect.
CUSD Looking to Sign New Teachers Contract to Restore Days,…
Shripathi Kamath March 27, 2014 at 06:09 pm
Capo Parent March 27, 2014 at 07:19 PM FC Experience in and of itself does not make one better.…Read More ___________________________________________________ It almost always does make one better. Your experience may vary, but I myself am yet to see someone do poorer because he was more experienced than he was the previous year. You, in your own profession are very likely better today than a year ago because you're a more experienced professional. You have learned more things, re-learned how to do things better, practiced more at the same thing, you have made mistakes, you have corrected them, you have confidence that you can solve some difficult problems. ___________________________________________________ Now, you might not be better than someone with lesser experience for the reasons yo offer below—although learning from one's mistakes necessitates experience. Even then, in general I prefer an experienced surgeon to a youthful, motivated one. A more experienced plumber, co-worker, politician, detective, banker, dentist, car mechanic, racquet stringer, bus driver, pilot, masseuse, ...you name it. In fact, unless the less-experienced demonstrates her value rather visibly, it is hard to pick otherwise. Without some semblance of objective measures, it'd be a crap-shoot. ___________________________________________________ "There are a lot of other factors involved, including motivation, skill level, desire, ability to learn from one's mistakes, etc." ___________________________________________________ If only we ventured to want to quantify some of these things. Because all it takes otherwise is to say that "Even though Mrs. Poole is experienced, Mr. Wright is far more skilled, motivated and has the desire and ability to learn from his mistakes, and he does not cost as much" and we have either total agreement, total disagreement or another set of "Well, being more motivated is not exactly the same as being experienced, and one set of skills do not work well to all students, and having desire makes it too personal which might too intense for some students .... etc." What we are left with is people confusing youthful exuberance for better competence, or experience for continuing excellence, and we go round and round like this. Alternating between "Experience is king" vs "Experience is not everything" ___________________________________________________ And such is fine, it is often entertaining. Because, in reality it is about cost. The issue, if we drop the charade is that senior teachers cost more than junior ones, and that is bone of contention.
Capo Parent March 31, 2014 at 02:27 pm
FC You assume the teacher next door with experience has "good" experience to share. I…Read More don't think the students and teacher at Miramonte nor would the plaintiffs in Vergara v. State of California agree with your unsupported blanket statement. An experienced bad or mediocre teacher is not going to impart "good" experiences to a younger teacher.
fact checker March 31, 2014 at 04:24 pm
Of course not capo parent. What a silly argument.
Obama to UCI: Yes, I Will Speak at Commencement
Nancy March 22, 2014 at 07:30 pm
Mike T, are those "White Americans" possibly German Americans, Irish Americans, or ??…Read More Would you venture to guess how many of the Asian American students don't speak a word of Chinese? Perhaps half or more? Koreans, Vietnamese, Thai, and Japanese (to name a few) don't speak Chinese. Please tell me you knew this already. Just like we might not speak Spanish, Portuguese, or French even though we're from the "Americas"-- yet those other languages dominate in eastern Canada, Latin America, and Brazil. There are large numbers of UCI students with Asian heritage (NOT nationality) in other southeast Asian countries who are not Chinese.
Shripathi Kamath March 22, 2014 at 08:36 pm
Nancy, shelly, Y'all need to speak Bircherese. 'Americans' does not include Asian Americans.…Read More Because, LOOK AT THEM.
CUSD Trustees on Themselves: It's OK Not to Vote 7-0 All the…
Penny Arévalo (Editor) March 20, 2014 at 12:38 pm
The missing word is "be." That's my bad. For whatever reason, when you copy and paste that…Read More from the PDF, the word "be" is dropped. And because you love quote marks: http://www.unnecessaryquotes.com. I think I'm done with the series. I've got a lot of ground to cover (literally, OC to Malibu).
Shripathi Kamath March 20, 2014 at 12:44 pm
Penny Arévalo (Editor) March 20, 2014 at 03:38 PM The missing word is…Read More ___________________________________________________ Oi, vey! Become a super-editor and one gets a bit super-sensitive to good natured ribbing?
LeAna Bui March 20, 2014 at 07:45 pm
Thanks for the laughs, Shripathi!
Capistrano Unified Parents Feel Years of Budget Cuts'…
Dan March 21, 2014 at 10:24 am
Fact Checker, while I almost always agree with you, it's important to remember that unethical isn't…Read More always illegal. And, while I agree with your assessment of MVM and Dawn's gossipy pot stirring behavior, it is true that the the old Board would meet on Saturday's under the guise of evaluating Fleming and they would strategize their dealings with their political enemies. All of that was well documented and very unethical. With that said, none of that is happening with our current administration and Board.
fact checker March 21, 2014 at 11:41 am
I guess their behavior is up for interpretation. I don't see them as unethical. Naive perhaps, and…Read More we all under estimated the lengths to which the opposition would go (and continues to go) to advance their own agendas. Anyone who works under Brown Act restrictions knows how difficult the law is to interpret and follow. Even attorneys will tell you that. Brown Act violations are rampant everywhere and keep many an attorney busy because it is very difficult to do public business without risking an inadvertent and unintended violation. Any attempt to revise the law is seen as an attempt to subvert the intention of transparent governance. It is as sacred a cow as Prop 13. I believe their intention was to figure out how to deal with an attack group who had the DA on their side (politically affiliated...and no one has ever denied that) and a hidden agenda. How could they do that in an open meeting? The Bealls and their ilk did their job so well that even standing up for people who opposed them is still seen as unacceptable by most people. MVM's post is clear evidence of that. She thinks even saying their name is enough evidence of malfeasance because, after all, everyone knows they did something wrong (even though every single charge and accusation came to nothing).
Dan March 21, 2014 at 12:05 pm
Many of the Saturday meetings occurred long before the DA was involved. Yes, the Board may have…Read More been naive, but while Fleming did nothing illegal he was most definitely unethical. He was unethical in so many arenas and the board just went along with him, probably because they didn't truly understand what he was doing. I agree with you about the whole recall group, but they would have had no fodder to manipulate and paint things worse than they were without Fleming first deceiving the public with lies regarding funding, negotiations, portable buildings, etc. None of it was as serious as the Recall group made it out to be, but Fleming is responsible for the Recall group's ability to gain traction in 2006. And let's not forget, the recall group was started by Murphy and was hijacked by carpetbagging opportunists from RSM that kicked Murphy out.
VIDEO: Capo Unified's Honor Concert
CUSD Support Staff: School Board Is Not Easy to Work With
Shripathi Kamath March 13, 2014 at 10:19 am
Is the district paying money to generate these non-scientific surveys? Because I have a pretty…Read More decent random number generator that could with a little bias, produce quicker, cheaper results. I'll even throw a few charts. ___________________________________________________ "The Board of Trustees tends to resolve issues without others and doesn't show respect for each other" ___________________________________________________ I think we need a law that says people must respect each other. In addition they must also agree with each other. Why, just a couple years ago I benefited from this: http://bit.ly/QdMJ1C
SURVEY: Four Years After Striking, Teacher Morale Is…
Shawn Gordon March 26, 2014 at 01:09 pm
Sorry Penny, the destruction of the education system by the unions has me worked up. "fact…Read More checker" wants to spin around in a circle and never get to the meat of it. There has to be a way to define and remove bad teachers and it shouldn't take forever. They should be scared about keeping their jobs, just like everyone else in society, and it should scare them in to doing the best job possible, just like everyone else in society.
Penny Arévalo (Editor) March 26, 2014 at 02:11 pm
All of that is fine to state. Just be careful when it crosses over into personal attacks. Thanks!
fact checker March 26, 2014 at 03:05 pm
Shawn, no spin here. Just define merit. Seems like a simple question doesn't it? Make sure it…Read More will apply equally to every teacher, there is some way to measure it, and it is not open to interpretation by anyone.
Number of O.C. School Districts in Financial Jeopardy…
cheryl March 11, 2014 at 05:32 pm
If this is really the case why is just about every school in SVUSD still sending out donation…Read More request letters stating "due to severe budget cuts" there is no money for this program?? They will never tell you the money is not going to the classroom it is going to pay pensions and salaries. I know, I know .....it is for the kids. Sure it is.
Lawrence (Larry) McCook March 11, 2014 at 05:35 pm
Saddleback & Capo School Districts homes pay a large percentage of taxes for much of Orange…Read More County.
What Would You Like to See in Capo Unified's Next…
Capo Parent March 13, 2014 at 04:06 pm
Prop 30 was a band aid; a significant majority of the money is going to schools that already get…Read More more, e.g. LAUSD. It seems likely that any additional money CUSD will receive from Prop 30 will be consumed by higher pension contributions. CalSTRS has already publicly stated that it needs $4.5 billion for a number of years in order to reduce its massive under funded problem. CalSTRS has asked the Legislature to approve higher contributions by school districts. Teachers won't have to pay because the current law is written such that teachers get increase benefits if they pay more for their benefits. This means school districts will be holding the bag. If the foregoing comes to pass, then the prediction by many (including me) that Prop. 30 was a front to pay increase contributions to CalSTRS will come true. Before FC unleashes another one of her one sided tirades in favor of all things that benefit teacher remember, several DEMOCRATIC mayors have banded together to put a proposition on the ballot to allow cities and other governmental entities flexibility in dealing with the acute problem of grossly underfunded pensions, not to mention health benefits. The cost of these is estimated by some at well over $1 billion. When Warren Buffet sounds the alarm on these unfunded obligations we should all take heed.
David Petrisevac March 24, 2014 at 01:03 pm
Hey folks,...My offer, as reduced personal finance supplemental workbooks for the graduating class…Read More of 2014...a number of posts back, is Now officially 'Off-the-Table'.
Dawn Urbanek March 24, 2014 at 06:21 pm
The real issue is that the Base Grant of $ 6500 per student is not sufficient to fund a basic…Read More education for students. CUSD is receiving $6,273 per ADA this year with that projected to increase to just above $8,000 in 2021. That will not be sufficed to cover increases in Step and Column or COLA
UCI Wooing Obama for Commencement Address
GreenInOC February 19, 2014 at 11:22 am
@Donna Fleming, I hope you aren't saying that researching, reading and understanding history beyond…Read More our own personal experiences is invalid. Jobs WERE plentiful. Manufacturing started moving overseas and continued to do so. In the late '90's and the early 00's is when white collar jobs started following suit. While your desire to blame President Obama for that is well communicated it is not a possibility.
fact checker February 19, 2014 at 12:08 pm
In fact, President Obama has advocated strongly for investing in infrastructure (which is what the…Read More CCC and other programs set up after the depression did). The economic crisis caused your sons, difficulty. The private sector (mostly large corporations( have not done their job to help the recovery. They worship profits for the few over better opportunities for the rest of us.
Nancy February 19, 2014 at 12:10 pm
Donna, I am surprised that you believe the job-finding problems are a result of our most-immediate…Read More president. Surely you must know that previous presidents (and congress) were instrumental in creating the legislation and lack of oversight that allowed jobs to be shipped abroad. And regarding the CCC: well now, you're sounding like a liberal...watch out! I think it would be fabulous to have a similar job force to work on our crumbling infrastructure. But you CAN'T do that if you cut government! The CCC didn't just spring up from volunteers; it was a government program. For the record, Obama has actually done a similar program. Have you noticed the freeway signs from the Obama administrations recovery act? This is both a job creator and a public safety win/win. http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/map21/summaryinfo.cfm
Students Passing the AP Test in Increasing Numbers at 6 O.C.…
Shripathi Kamath February 13, 2014 at 08:40 am
ldana92 February 13, 2014 at 09:22 AM I thought the AP tests are given in May??? It is only Feb.…Read More ___________________________________________________ They are being done proactively for 2013.
Don Schultz February 15, 2014 at 07:37 am
"The distinction means the districts are increasing access to AP classes while simultaneously…Read More increasing the percentage of students earning passing scores of 3 or higher on the AP test" While this may be the "ideal scenario" as you call it, never ending improvement is hardly sustainable unless the rules of the game change which they will. The problem with your article is that its misleading, it leads the uninitiated reader to conclude that CUSD and LB some how came up short compared to the districts on the list. This is not true. Neither CUSD nor LB would trade their scores with ANY of those other districts because CUSD's and LB's record is better, just not improving as much as the others because they have less to improve upon. CUSD is among the top large districts in the state and LB is among the elite small districts. Both are constantly and consistently improving.
NBC: Only Four O.C. School Districts Have Outlawed E-Cigs
Brian February 12, 2014 at 09:21 am
What are the other school districts that have bans in place?
Penny Arévalo (Editor) February 12, 2014 at 10:50 am
They didn't say. However, Capistrano Unified is not one of them.
Capo Unified to Discuss Class Sizes, Search for a New…
A Quote from Darrell Steinberg - regarding the additional $1.46 billion cost of expanding…Read More transitional kindergarten: "When I think about what we spend money on in this state, what we spend on education and the amount of surplus dollars we are experiencing, whether (the program expansion) costs $990 million or $1.46 billion, there's not a better investment we could make"
fact checker March 13, 2014 at 06:09 pm
I agree with him. And Dawn you are forgetting about the other side of the ledger...the savings that…Read More will be generated by this program. I shudder to think of how you balance your checking account. All debits and no credits will leave you with a negative balance every month.
UCI Chancellor Leaves, Heads to Ohio State
Capo Unified Facing No Cuts for the First Time in Years
Dan January 25, 2014 at 09:49 am
This is horrible! I wish CUSD could get it together and start caring for our community's children…Read More in a consistent manner. All this back in forth is doing nothing but creating an unstable environment for our children. Has anyone stopped to think that all the cuts these last seven years have been good for the community and the children. Leaner and meaner… no pain no gain! Having to get by with less builds character and makes our children stronger for the real world. Speaking of the real world, this means that we'll have to find something else to blame on the teachers, like the drought. Sadly, without budget cuts some of those who like to pontificate here at patch are going to have find some other topic in which fake expertise and find unrelated and outdated statistics to prove that the sky is falling. I feel bad for them.
Dawn Urbanek January 27, 2014 at 05:47 am
If you are referring to me Dan- let me give you a reality check. The rosey picture is that the…Read More District will not have to make any additional cuts. Thank God for that- I really don't think we could pile anymore children in a classroom to help balance the budget.
Dawn Urbanek January 27, 2014 at 05:51 am
Now we have the job of finding enough money in our budget to restore class sizes to 24:1 (CUSD will…Read More get additional money from the State under LCFF if we can do that). We need an additional $1 Billion dollars to bring our buildings up to standards after seven years of deferred maintenance. We need several million dollars to restore our school year to 180 days, we need $130 million to restore all the programs that have been cut, and I have not mentioned that we need to find $52 million to pay our unfunded pension liabilities.
Should Teachers Have a Dress Code?
Sonny Morper January 19, 2014 at 09:40 am
As a principal, retired, for 28 years, "dress for success" is a good motto and the style…Read More should fit the classroom. Expect teachers on their feet all day to dress in comfortable shoes, tennis shoes, for P.E., for sure. The more business type look is more appealing but dressing like you are going to church is not necessary. Women's styles usually get the most attention over time. High heels, nylons and dress or skirts were the norm when I taught. Shorter skirts and pant suits soon became the style, men wore sport coats and always a tie. School administrators, including women, have generally maintained a more conservative business look,though suits have gone the way of cotton slacks particularly with middle and high school educators modeling spirit shirts and other school labeled clothing. Today, any teacher is general accepted when wearing less formal school clothes, in fact they seem to add to student school spirit when they do wear the school emblemed items. The sexy look of provocative clothes has no place in the school business, but the look is in the eye of the beholder and many times in the negotiated contract. Where today's cleavage look was out when I started teaching, today a sensible approach is to ask whether it detracts from ones ability to teach or administer with the greatest positive effect or is the " look" detracting from a great educator becoming exceptionally great. Tongues will wag among our adolescent youth with little provocation and certainly among their parents. Better to portray the competent, highly thought of professional educator who is working to make the school distinguished than known for unnecessary, unfortunate, and derisive behind the back comments that only bring contempt to the profession. The chances are better for success and higher performing schools when everyone dresses for success including students, parents who come to the school, and most important those who are there to educate. P.S. Leave the flip flops at home, everyone.
CHK January 23, 2014 at 12:47 pm
Perhaps the teacher need to wear school uniforms too?
nobody January 23, 2014 at 01:02 pm
lol CHK! The "former playboy bunny" middle school teacher will be happy with your idea!
How CUSD Is Handling the New Transgender Bathroom Law
Penny Arévalo (Editor) January 29, 2014 at 10:40 am
Patch is still around. I'm still here.
ChristieD January 30, 2014 at 07:39 pm
Will do Shripathi!
School Calendar to Grow, Class Sizes to Shrink, Capo…
shelly January 20, 2014 at 09:20 pm
Dawn, Read back on your comments. You say the same thing over and over and over again. I have asked…Read More you many questions that you have not answered. Read back Like what is your definition of fair and equal? Do you believe the teachers of Las Palmas are overcompensated? The CUSD budget has been cut $140 million dollars. The biggest cuts came at the expense of the employees. Employees still do not make as much as they did 5 years ago. Do you believe all the cuts should come from employees? Do you feel that citizens have no responsibility in helping with a budget that does not cover everything? You sacrifice nothing but demand that others sacrifice for our child. You state, ""You educators are arrogant, self serving, annoying and ignorant " and yet you send your child to be educated by these educators. What exactly is your solutions? Do you believe we should just keep cutting the teachers' and school site employees' pay and taking away their benefits? I am asking and Shripathi has asked you this so please answer. Do you believe this will improve education and inspire good candidates to become educators? Do you believe that CA funds education adequately?
fact checker January 20, 2014 at 10:45 pm
No Dawn I don't think teachers are being paid more. Perhaps you will address my questions about the…Read More difference between average teacher salary and actual teacher salary. Do you understand the difference?
fact checker January 20, 2014 at 10:46 pm
I have asked this question many times and you refuse to answer it.
Meet the Superintendent -- Before He Goes -- Wednesday
Brown's 14-15 Budget Increases School Funding for Neediest…
LeAna Bui January 13, 2014 at 08:28 am
Dawn: Thank you for the reference. However, as Shelly and FC are trying to point out - "free…Read More and equal" has been upgraded through the Federal Disabilities Act to "free and appropriate," which addresses the fact that our 6 million school children do not have "equal needs." I clearly understand the import of the ACLU lawsuit. The education MUST be free. I agree with you that funding for schools in California awful, however, attacking the teachers unions and now, disadvantaged students is not the answer. If this proposal becomes law, CUSD funding will go to $7,800 per student per year (do I have that right?). What really gets me is that many people think this is okay, but I just recently spoke to a friend of mine who is paying $32,000/year for their child's private high school. Really? How the heck does this compare?? Why aren't we demanding that we spend $20k/year on public school students??
fact checker January 13, 2014 at 08:43 am
Shelly, Dawn is not interested in children with special needs, except for GATE children. She is…Read More only interested in what directly affects her own child who is not hungry, does not live in a foster home, and speaks English as her first language. She is not interested in children who are autistic, developmentally delayed, or have other learning disabilities. She has said so on many occasions but feels that she is entitled to feel this way because she does not have to be "politically correct" by caring about those children. She wants a "free and equal" education for her own child. She does not want children in other schools to receive more funds than her child's school, whether those funds come from the state, the Feds or parent fundraisers, despite any special needs at those other schools. She does want more funding for her GATE identified child. She wants teachers to absorb any cuts to the budget through pay cuts so that class size can be reduced and programs can be restored. And she does not want to pay one Penny more in taxes, ever. She pays enough. She wants veto power on any budget decisions made in the district. And she wants it now. She wants the district to personally inform her about every single decision they make. She does not want to attend the public forums designed to give her input. She wants the trustees to respond personally to any inquiry at a board meeting. She wants to read and interpret district documents and share those interpretations as fact, whether she is mistaken or not. And she does not want to answer any challenges to the veracity of her blogs or admit any mistakes.
fact checker January 13, 2014 at 08:48 am
Oh yes, Dawn wants to be involved in CUSD employee negotiations and does not want to honor the…Read More contracts that resulted from past negotiations. And finally, she wants the DA to investigate every charge she makes in the Patch.
UC Irvine 'Strongly Opposes' Academic Boycott of Israel
Taxes Vex Capistrano Unified Trustees
Capo Parent December 25, 2013 at 09:27 am
FF You can only know what is revealed and that is the problem with 87-1. I've looked at the Mello…Read More Roos notice that was provided and it does not comport with how CUSD has used and accounted for 87-1. Your comments are based on assumptions, not facts.
Capo Parent December 25, 2013 at 09:30 am
M Merry Christmas, I hope Santa brought you intelligence and common sense, you clearly need both.…Read More Yes M, I've bought real estate before and have more than a clue as to what the process entails. I know what notices were provided for 87-1, do you? Obviously not. Get a clue.
Capo Unified Superintendent Farley Announces Retirement
Scott Schmitt December 12, 2013 at 08:26 am
Great job Joe and thank you for all you've done for our communities!
Matt Gaffney December 12, 2013 at 10:03 am
Good riddance! After the way he screwed Eric Patton he can't leave fast enough.
ChristieD December 12, 2013 at 11:08 am
Dr. Farley accomplished a lot during his time with CUSD. He has been a very positive influence on a…Read More district plagued with numerous issues and divisions. His work has been much appreciated and his retirement is a tremendous loss for CUSD. Best wishes for an excellent retirement, Dr. Farley.
Common Core: 5 Ways to Help Kids Adapt to New Standards
Capo Unified to Consider School Repairs Throughout District
Penny Arévalo (Editor) December 6, 2013 at 11:51 am
I will try to find out. There are quite a few. A large part of MV, AV, Ladera, RSM, Coto, Las…Read More Flores, two small ones in SJC and Talega. Don't think there are any in DP or LN.
Mission Viejo Mom December 6, 2013 at 09:08 pm
Well, something to consider is that Mission Viejo and Aliso Viejo mello roos is financing part of…Read More the administration building. If that district is dissolved, part of a bond will have to pay for that as well. Also, the new development will defiicnitely need to continue to be a mello roos district because the homeowners currently in CUSD would not want to pay for the new school construction. It's going to be a very tricky situation.
Penny Arévalo (Editor) December 6, 2013 at 09:09 pm
They're looking to retire that M-R district early. That's also on the agenda. Hope to have a story…Read More for you Monday.
CUSD Math Transition from California State Standards to…
College Prep Starts in 6th Grade under new Common Core State…
Dawn Urbanek December 4, 2013 at 08:00 am
Math 7 Acc Placement Test Info
Dawn Urbanek December 4, 2013 at 08:02 am
Source: http://capousd.ca.schoolloop.com/search/search_results?d=x&search_term=Math+Placement
fact checker December 5, 2013 at 07:29 am
I thought you might support adapting the CCS standards to the specific needs of CUSD students.…Read More When, exactly, would you propose that this adaptation take place other than as we go? And it would seem that you are very well informed. All of the sources you cite come directly from the district website. Did you attend Back To School Night and did the teachers address the new standards? Is the information about CCS not readily available and linked on the first page of the district website? I am puzzled at your outrage. I notice that Mr. Reardon chose not to address the issue of transparency for readers here.


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Tips to prevent car theft while shoppingFargo, ND (WDAY TV) -- Officers say a car filled with Christmas gifts is on every thieves wish list.
By: WDAY Staff Reports, WDAY
Fargo, ND (WDAY TV) -- Officers say a car filled with Christmas gifts is on every thieves wish list.
Fargo officers want to make sure you don't lose common sense, in the middle of a long shopping day.
Their 3 tips-- lock your doors. Park in well-lit spots, the perfect place during the day may not be ideal at night. And don't forget to cover your packages or better yet put them in the trunk and out of eyesight.
Lt. Joel Vettel with the Fargo Police Department says, "If you are traveling from store-to-store, it probably doesn't hurt to stop by the house and drop off some of those packages. That certainly minimizes the exposure of those packages, but also, it probably reduces the temptation of somebody trying to steal items in a parking lot."
Stats show thefts increase during the holiday season.
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Because on Friday, if my calculations are correct – you're going to see some serious shit.
We'll look ahead at the big series against Arizona on Friday, but for now, let's bask in the warm glowing warmth of a three-game sweep against Adrian Gonzalez, Jake Peavy, and 23 other guys who snuck into the clubhouse to steal San Diego uniforms. Just 1.5 games out of the lead, folks.
* Do we really have to stop making fun of Angel Berroa? Just as Nomar went into a 3-28 death spiral, Berroa took advantage and stepped up. In 10 games (8 starts) over the last two weeks, Berroa's put up a .345/.424/.517 line. That's… and I can't believe I'm even saying this… good. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way on the bandwagon. He's still got a 61 OPS+ on the season. But hey, credit where credit is due. Even better, he's been entertaining. First you've got the grounder getting lost in his shirt on Tuesday night, and then last night you've got a fantastic post-game interview where he has Manny be his translator and, well, watch for yourself. (Hat-tip to LarryBrownSports for the video).
That's right, Manny's serving as Berroa's translator… until Berroa blows the whole charade by speaking English.
* Speaking of Manny, he won the National League Most Valuable Player award for the month of August, thanks to his completely insane line of .415/.508/.736. That's a 1.244 OPS, folks. It's too bad he's been slacking so far in the first few games of September by only posting a 1.131 OPS. Shape up, Manny!
* Another trade rumor regarding the depleted middle infield: Via MLBtraderumors, we see that Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times has a mention of the Dodgers' interest in Tadahito Iguchi. No, really, that's basically all the information he has:
The Dodgers and Philadelphia Phillies have expressed interest in second baseman Tadahito Iguchi, according to his agent, Rocky Hall. Iguchi was released by the San Diego Padres this week.
Since September 1st has passed, Iguchi wouldn't even be elgible for the playoffs should that become a consideration, but I still say: pass. He was pretty terrible in San Diego this year (64 OPS+) before being cut, and Blake DeWitt's starting to show signs of life with two homers in the last few days. Plus, you've still got Chin-Lung Hu sitting on the bench and all indications are that Jeff Kent will be back in another two weeks or so. I don't see the need here.
* If you're a regular reader, you know how much we love the guys at FireJoeMorgan around here, especially when we're completely ripping them off to bag on guys like Ken Rosenthal and Tracy Ringolsby. But you'll also have noticed that we very rarely do that to T.J. Simers, because it's well-known that he's a total clown – and a clown who's not even all that funny, at that. So when Simers came up with this "Ned Colletti is baseball's best GM" piece, I barely even gave it a second look, because it seemed so obvious that it was just a (completely unfunny) way to take backhanded swipes at Colletti. But it seems that FJM took it seriously (although they admittedly mention more than once that they're unsure, but they did go through with it in the end). T.J. Simers should never be taken seriously. If I were in a room with him and he yelled "fire!" I'd ask him what his real ulterior motive was before I took a step.
* Finally, this is neither here nor there, but I couldn't help but chuckle when I read it on Baseball Prospectus:
Left-hander Mark Hendrickson won't be back with the Marlins next season, but he has significantly increased his free-agent stock by showing he can pitch effectively out of the bullpen since being dropped from the rotation.
Hmm… this sounds familiar somehow. Yet, I can't place it. Oh! That's right. It's because I said the exact same thing on December 15th of last year:
Yet I still want to pay Mark Hendrickson millions to be an employee of the Los Angeles Dodgers. You know why? Because even though he's a terrible, terrible starting pitcher… he's a surprisingly effective relief pitcher.
As long as we never, ever, even in case of emergency, allow him to start again, that's a lot of value there. He seems like a fantastic long reliever, who can give you 2-3 effective innings when your starter can't make it past 5, and behind a pen that's so fantastic in the late innings with Saito/Broxton/Beimel, that's a pretty nice chip to have.
But that's not even the most entertaining thing from the BP article, and to be fair, this is from an unnamed major league scout, not from the BP staff:
Dodgers outfielder Juan Pierre: "I know he doesn't draw walks and he's a low on-base percentage guy, but he is an energy guy. I just think the Dodgers miss him not being on the field. They lack that spark he provides."
Priority number one of the offseason: find out what club this guy scouts for! Sounds like a good trading partner to me.
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"I'm grateful for the opportunity to become the head football coach at Auburn University," Malzahn said. "It's an outstanding institution with a storied football program that I had the pleasure of experiencing first-hand for three years.
"I deeply appreciate the confidence that Dr. Gogue, Jay Jacobs and the search committee had in my ability to turn this program around and to bring Auburn back to national prominence," Malzahn added. "This is a homecoming for me and I look forward to being reunited with the Auburn family."
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I knew a friend in Washington who studied with me in New York, and he was able to arrange a ticket via a colleague at Ticketmaster. This was such an amazing CSNY concert – and I am especially a big fan of Neil Young: of his music, of his attitude and of his beliefs. Here you have the setlist – of a show that took more than 3 hours. Young went completely crazy at the end, you saw the fire in him, but also the incredble friendship between CSNY.
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Guava Grove Saison - Cigar City Brewing
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Ratings: 823 | Reviews: 378 | Show All Ratings:
4.06/5 rDev +1.8%
look: 2 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4
A phenomenally bubbly rush of snappy straw colored soapy head. Cloudy orange-red brew. Not overly appetizing. Lacing is weak.
Tart, lemon-lime, horsey aroma, clove. Strong. Of course, Guava too. Slightly too much funk.
Nicely bitter and smooth. Much more rounded than the appearance shows. Heavy effervescents. Sweetness is spot on and translates fruit nicely. Lots of dry, earthy, ripe, bitter, guava, clove, spice, and smooth light dry sour factor. Sourness is not over the top it's greatly dulled by heavy bitter bite.
A very unique beer. It's close to what I thought it would be and it didn't let me down. A nice risky take by CCB. Solid and worthy. I wouldn't give up much in trade, but still worthy.
Serving type: bottle
02-22-2014 22:22:02 | More by chugalug06
4.05/5 rDev +1.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
The beer pours an orange-amber color with a large white head. The aroma is classic saison, with some strong biscuit malt notes. There is also quite a bit of tartness, lemon and light funk. The flavor is similar. The biscuit and toffee malt go very well with the wheat and a little bit of tartness. The light acidic notes work very well and add to the beer's drinkability. Medium mouthfeel and medium carbonation.
Serving type: bottle
09-02-2013 23:52:23 | More by jbaker67
North Carolina
3.53/5 rDev -11.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5
Bought a bottle @ Total Wine in Port Orange over the Fourth.
A-Nice deep orange juice color with small bubbly head. The beer itself definitely resembles what a Saison typically looks like. Would have liked a fluffier head.
S- There is a strong punch of grapefruit, guava and other tropical fruits. There is also a noticeable aroma of the yeast. Its almost (to me) like smelling an American Wile ale. Citrusy, acidic, and funky-I like it!
T- The taste is quite unique. Let me say that this isn't like any Saison I've ever had before. This beer does have the faint outline of a typical Saison- crispy, yeasty, touch of spice, and it's certainly refreshing. BUT the guava adds a complicated, overpowering flavor and aroma that you absolutely cannot get away from. The tartness dominates from start to finish.
M- Relatively medium body with high carbonation. A little too much carbonation for the style.
O- I don't really know how I feel about this beer. I honestly think Cigar City calling this a Saison really lowered the overall score. I was expecting a Saison with guava, but instead got GUAVA with Saison. Call me old school, but I prefer a traditional Saison.
Still LOVE you Cigar City!!!
Serving type: bottle
07-06-2013 12:54:00 | More by kell50
2.4/5 rDev -39.8%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5
Poured from a 750 ml bottle into a half-pint chalice.
A: Slightly hazy, light amber color with one finger of persistent off-white foam head. Scant lacing remains on the glass and a lopsided stream of bubbles rise in the column.
S: Tropical fruit and umami make for teriyaki sauce. Nail polish remover is also present. No alcohol is detected.
T: Begins off-dry, with bright mixed (tropical/stone) fruit and tartness usually associated with Flanders-style yeast. Acetaldehyde and meaty aromatic malt combine for even more oddness in the middle before the cleaner and drier finish. No alcohol is detected.
M: Medium viscosity, acidic and slightly syrupy on the palate, with moderate carbonation.
D/O: Although fruity, the guava component is far surpassed in degree of influence by the characterful but confused yeast and other fermenters. It comes across as the sort of sour that makes one wonder if they meant for this to happen. Challenging even in small doses, it is difficult to imagine working all the way though a pub-style serving of this misguided beer.
Serving type: bottle
05-25-2013 21:41:59 | More by beagle75
4.01/5 rDev +0.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4
From a trade (thanks to rynosf32 )
Poured a 750ml bottled 11/2012 into snifter an orange sunburst color with a nice big 2 inch frothy head.
Aroma is great-orange, tropical fruit, guava, creamy
Mouthfeel- very carbonated as would be expected with a a saison
Taste-fruit hits you at first but then turns a little sour
Overall - A great Saison that I'd buy again, but not sure I would trade for it.
Serving type: bottle
05-08-2013 02:46:06 | More by maxcoinage
4/5 rDev +0.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4
I received this bottle in a trade with 67couple. Thanks Jon! Poured from a 750 ml bottle into a tulip glass.
A – Pours a beautiful reddish-orange, a hue that is more common in sunsets than beer. A crackling head immediately erupts, only to fizzle away within the minute. Lots of quick moving bottles shoot around the glass. Lacing is nonexistant.
S – A definite Belgian character, with some clove and banana notes. A lot of tartness with a green apple acidity. A nice spiciness.
T – Oh man, this is nicely complex. A great sour character that manages to be simultaneously sweet and puckeringly tart. A nice musty funk in the aftertaste. I'm not sure that I would be able to identify guava, although there is certainly a nice fruity quality.
M – Very active carbonation, which I assume is due to the extensive bottle conditioning. A sharp dryness in the finish.
O – I thought the fruit was incorporated pretty nicely into the beer, adding a good amount of sweetness and complexity to the saison. Very refreshing on a warm spring day.
Serving type: bottle
05-02-2013 03:38:51 | More by wyatt13
4.14/5 rDev +3.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
Bottle to Fantome tulip
A: It looks clean and orange although it is completely opaque. There is a big tan orange head that dissipates quickly and leaves a heavy lacing and a lot of carbonation. Pretty much what you expect from a hoppy farmhouse ale and definitely resembles guava.
S: There is a distinctive yeasty scent that reminds me somewhat of a farmhouse, but more of a sweet scent. The guava definitely has some presence it is not necessarily a fruity or citrus smell but it does sort of remind me of a tropical smell. The scent is not necessarily pleasant it stings the nostrils a little.
T: The taste follow the nose with a distinctive taste it is yeasty but it is more unique of a flavor then it is stereotypical farmhouse yeast. It does have a distinct begin flavor that probably comes from the yeast but is also very ale like. The guava does also have a presence it is deep in its fruitiness I do not know how to describe it not quite sweet but dead on in terms of my guava experience very similar to mango and a very interesting complement to the powerful yeasty flavor.
M: There is a medium mouthfeel not too heavy or light it is pretty watery but not thin what so ever. It is smooth and goes down easily so it has a good drinkability with the alcohol being completely hidden. There is a light carbonation that adds to the drinkability.
O: I have only had a few Cigar City beers and I have been impressed so perhaps I expected too much but I was kinda disappointed with this beer it is pretty good but I was expecting great. It does have a disnctive yeast flavor with a solid guava presence but nothing really super special flavor for me. I like it, but perhaps I expect too much worth a try for sure though that being said I don't know if I will be back.
Serving type: bottle
04-13-2013 02:40:17 | More by Pinknuggets
4.06/5 rDev +1.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
A-light hazy orange amber color with a nice white head and good lacing
S-orange, tropical fruit, pepper, sour, earthy, malt
T-oranges and tropical fruit followed by a sour wave and then slightly sweet malt, pepper, cloves and no significant bitterness, but a lingering pucker
F-medium body with moderate carbonation, crisp
O-a solid Saison. Didn't get a lot of distinct guava flavor,but enjoyed this
Serving type: bottle
03-02-2013 14:42:10 | More by MDDMD
3.76/5 rDev -5.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75
Thanks to rynosf23 for this one - split five ways at a recent tasting. Burnt sunburst would be the best way to describe the color of Guava Grove - almost one-hundred percent opaque, very volatile, and producing a heavy, foamy, off-white head with very good retention and semi-decent lacing. I like how this one is looking.
The aroma is full of a sweet and bitter mix of fruit, much of which must be guava. I've never had a real guava, I've only had guava-flavored things. I am picking up some of that guava smell, but it's nowhere near as powerful as I would hope, expect, or like. There's actually an intense pungency that sort of stings the nostrils, not sure if it's a bitterness or what. It's not bad, it's just... different. Some pears and mangoes make up for the remainder of the aroma profile. Not much in terms of malt here - maybe a little bit of added sweetness, but nothing extraordinarily standing out. A light grassiness hits on the tail end as the fruits fade to black.
I'm immediately met with a sharp carbonation upon taking the first sip. Some light spices; clove, coriander, maybe orange peel - much akin to a Belgian style ale - followed up by a light guava flavor. The fruitiness of the guava is very pleasing, however it seems to "come and go" very quickly - it hits your taste buds hard, then it fades away almost instantly. Upon fading out, heavy-ass barnyard flavors hit center stage; wet cork, oak, damp cellar, musky - those are certainly the best descriptors. Upon tasting those, I finally remember that this is a saison - otherwise, it could pass for any old fruit beer. The aftertaste is also dominated by the funk, perhaps with just a tiny bit of fruity flavors and malty sweetness to couple with. Medium bodied with a heavy dose of carbonation and a reasonably dry finish.
I had high hopes for this one - I like CCB and I like guava-flavored things. I also like saisons. So this is a win-win-win, right? Well, perhaps it didn't quite live up to my godly expectations, but it was still a damn good beer. I enjoyed the saison and funk flavors that come through and pound hard from middle to end - but my main complaint is that the guava (and fruit in general) was too muted, both in the aroma and the taste. Still very enjoyable - very solid saison.
Serving type: bottle
02-26-2013 22:06:28 | More by tectactoe
4.1/5 rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5
750 ml bottle into tulip glass, bottled on 9/4/2012. Pours hazy orange amber color with a big 3 finger fluffy cream colored head with great retention, that reduces to a nice cap that lingers. Spotty foamy lacing clings on the glass, with a large amount of streaming carbonation retaining the head. Aromas of big pear, apple, lemon, orange zest, pineapple, guava, pepper, clove, floral, grass, herbal, and yeast earthiness. Damn nice aromas with great balance and complexity of fruity and spicy notes. Taste of apple, pear, lemon, orange zest, guava, pepper, clove, wheat, floral, grass, herbal, and yeast earthiness. Lingering notes of light fruits, guava, citrus, pepper, clove, wheat, floral, grass, and yeast earthiness on the finish for a bit. Very nice complexity of fruity and spicy flavors; with great fruity/peppery flavor balance; and zero cloying flavors present after the finish. Very high carbonation and medium-full bodied; with a lightly slick, very crisp, and prickly mouthfeel that is nice. Alcohol is very well hidden with hardly any warming noticed after the finish. Overall this is an excellent saison style. Very nice balance and complexity of fruity and spicy notes; and very smooth and crisp to sip on. A very enjoyable offering.
Serving type: bottle
02-16-2013 06:16:08 | More by superspak
New Jersey
3.71/5 rDev -7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75
I aged this bottle for about a year. It felt appropriate to open on a Friday afternoon.
I poured this beer into a chalice and received some minimal foam. The coloring is a deep orange. It works well for the style.
The nose on this one is as a pretty vibrant sour. I get some of the fruityness, but the saison aroma is strong with this one.
The flavor isn't as strong as the nose. I get minimal saison and what I think is Guava. There is a ton of carbonation filling my mouth.
I will pick up a fresh bottle on my next trip to Florida for a good comparison.
Serving type: bottle
01-25-2013 20:37:21 | More by ummswimmin
Ontario (Canada)
4/5 rDev +0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
750ml Bottle from Total Wine Clearwater FL for 2.99$ (bargain!)
Appearance - Hazy gold colour with an average size fizzy white coloured head. There is an average amount of carbonation showing and there is some faint acing. The head lasted for 3-4 minutes. There are also some particles floating around in it.
Smell - Breads/grains, guava, coriander
Taste & Mouth - There is an above average amount of carbonation and I can taste bread/grains mixed with some lemons. There is also some coriander and some yeasty notes and a guava fruitiness. It ends with a spicy yet fruity aftertaste.
Overall - Wow, really good stuff. I was expecting this to taste artificial and way too fruity. It's a great saison with only subtle hints of fruit. If I lived in Florida I'd take a truck over to Total Wine and but whatever they had left at 2.99$ for 750ml. I guess it's out of season but it still tastes fantastic.
Serving type: bottle
01-20-2013 02:19:17 | More by spinrsx
4.08/5 rDev +2.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
Amber gold body with a foamy tan head that dissipates quickly to a ring. Almost no lacing, rather unusual for a saison.
Lovely nose, smells of toffee, guava, clove, brown sugar.
Tastes of toffee, brown sugar, spicy saison yeast--a strong, tongue numbing sensation of clove phenols and a coppery metallic taste. There's some guava fruit coming through midpalate and in the finish, but it is dominated by the strong clove spiciness.
Body is medium, carbonation is light, with a spritzy mouthfeel.
This is a strongly spiced saison which is quite enjoyable, but the clove yeast phenols dominate and I would prefer more of the guava flavor to come through.
Serving type: bottle
01-13-2013 04:22:53 | More by Beerenauslese
New York
3.6/5 rDev -9.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5
A - Hazy just shy of opaque golden hue
S - Interesting musty sourness sugared orange big notes of melon strawberrys guava?
T - This one explodes as it hits the mouth. Orange pineapple plums guava tropical flesh very deep, sweetness provides depth and mouthfeel. Not to cloying or puckering.
M - Nice and full great situation going on here not always a huge fan of overcarbed beers but this one needs it and i was glad it was there. Very champagne like.
O- Overall much better as it warms, had a harsh bite after being opened. Really nice tropical tones that all get held together by the carb and sweetness. One to try but will not be looking for again.
EdiT...After a glass i have STRONG guava undertones that just linger on the palate. very interesting brew.
Serving type: bottle
01-12-2013 02:42:12 | More by Johnnyhitch
Rhode Island
3.68/5 rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75
Poured from a 22 oz bomber into a pint glass. Aquired in a trade from RayUF07.. thanks bud!
A- Pours a very hazy, golden orange body with an off-white fizzy head that rises really fast then sticks around for a while and leaves some lacing.
S- Citrus, wheat, yeast, and yes, band-aids. With the exception of the band-aid smell, it's pretty good. I just can't get past that, though.
T- I get all the typical notes of a saison with a very subtle melon note tied in there. Pepper, clove, unripe bananas with a slight guava/watermelon taste in the background. It's pretty sweet.
M- Medium-high carbonation, medium body.
I'll have to admit that I had a hard time getting the last few ounces of this one down. It was a decent brew, but I just couldn't do 22 ounces of it. A lot of reviews said that this beer was relatively dry, but I get the opposite. It's sweet to the point of almost being cloying. It's no better than other normal "average" saisons in my opinion.
I'm really happy that I got to try this one, but my experience did not match what I was expecting. Worth a try if it's in front of you, but nothing to seek.
Serving type: bottle
01-11-2013 05:30:04 | More by gcamparone
3.95/5 rDev -1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4
Thanks Montrosse for the bottle from 2012 secret santa. This beer was chilled ice cold to prevent gushers. This was mostly successful in cutting down bottle gushering. Then we waited until the beer had warmed a bit. Served in wide mouth goblets.
A- The body of the beer is a lightly hazy in an unfiltered sense. The color of the beer is golden yellow. The head was a slightly yellower biege. Nice head retention.
S- The aroma of the guava comes out and says hello immediately; however, the fruit didnt dominate the beers character. Nice musty, clove, yeast notes grab at the fruit and maltyness and pull this beer together.
T- The beer seemed to be in chaos but improved and pulled together giving a near perfect delivery of the taste. Nice drying out at the finish.
M- Some may find this funny the beer needed a touch more carbonation. The body was slick. The alcohol was slightly warming.
O- This is dammed tasty!... A little tweaking of the carbonation and this would enter into a world class level beverage.
Serving type: bottle
01-06-2013 02:48:02 | More by nlmartin
3.45/5 rDev -13.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5
Massive, bubbly, beige head after the pour on a murky, opaque body. The head dissipates quickly with little to no lacing on the glass.
Guava, whipped cream, yeast. Not sure I'm crazy about the smell as it comes off almost a bit musty.
Light and wet, with lots of fizz.
Definitely a bit of guava taste, though not as much as the smell might suggest. Light, crisp hops all around, with maybe a bit of wheat or the like. Light on aftertaste. A well balanced ale all around. Though it's relatively high, the alcohol is hidden very well. I do have to mention that something about the hops tastes almost a little cheap in that way a macro beer like Shocktop does. Could just be me though, as all the other offerings I have tried from Cigar City Brewery have been high quality.
I found this beer to very refreshing. Certainly something that could be nice all year round. As I stated earlier, I didn't really dig the smell and tended to avoid taking a sniff while tipping it back. There's nothing overly remarkable about the taste, but it was very well balanced and good in that regard. Not sure it's something I would make a point of picking up again, but I wouldn't rule it out either.
Serving type: bottle
12-29-2012 00:45:19 | More by Robalypse
2.83/5 rDev -29.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3
A: Poured a cloudy orange color with a one finger dirty white head with good retention.
S: Band aids. Yup.
T: Thank goodness the taste did not follow the nose on this one. Considering I have no freakin clue as to what guava tastes like I will touch on the tasting notes I do know. A bit Earthy, lightly funky, fresh fruits, a light booze sting. Finish is dry.
M: Medium bodied, higher carbonated. Fruits, Earth and and funkiness sit on the palate
O: Not exactly sure what the ho hum is about. It was a light gusher when it opened and I picked up the medicinal plastic then. The taste has yet to South as far as I know. I only tasted a little plastic behind the scenes.
Serving type: bottle
12-24-2012 14:59:44 | More by barleywinefiend
4.03/5 rDev +1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
750 ml bottle, bottled on August 21, 2012, poured into a tulip glass.
A- Pours a hazy caramel orange color, topped with a huge off-white head, which has excellent retention and leaves lots of lacing.
S- Lots and lots of very distinct guava aroma as well as some pear and apple fruitiness, also some yeast, phenol, clove and coriander.
T- Similar to the aroma with guava front and center, the clove, coriander and phenol are a bit more prominent here, along with a bready, slightly funky yeast. Alcohol is a bit noticeable and provides some fruit and spiciness. There's also a mild tartness that helps balance things out.
M- Medium-bodied, medium to high carbonation with a slightly dry finish.
O- An interesting saison, I haven't had a lot of experience with guava but this beer seems to capture it pretty well. This is a really unique, tasty beer.
Serving type: bottle
12-10-2012 08:24:55 | More by WillCarrera
4.05/5 rDev +1.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4
Poured in to a pint from a bomber.
A - it's a deepish copper; copious amount of bubbles, looks soapy; minimal to no retention; strong 3/4-to-full inch head
S - I think I've been overly Saisoned tonight; yeah, those yeasts; slightly sugar candy sweet
T - this beer actually hits a perfect amount of sweetness for me; the guava flavor is sweet while also being a little fruit-meaty; it's a Saison through and through; a little dry on the back end
M - The ol lady says, "it's not my favorite foam to get through"; true to form, it's a little over carbonated, although not to any fault of a bad bottle...just the style; it'll make you burp immediately
O - this is a really solid saison with the right amount of sweetness. I enjoyed the way the fruit is utilized without an attempt to mask the proper style of beer.
Serving type: bottle
11-25-2012 00:26:38 | More by SkeeterBoganski
3.68/5 rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
A: Cap almost flies off this bottle, was afraid I had a gusher, but just highly carbonated. Raises a large, loose head in the glass over attractive, orange beer with good clarity.
S: Lots of yeast character, but not much of a fruit note. As it warms up, develops a bit of something I'd say is close to tomato... not very familiar with guava, so maybe that's it?
T: Similar to the aroma, this is a nice spicy farmhouse beer, but doesn't seem to have much contribution from the fruit.
M: High carbonation. Moderate body, but highly drinkable
O: Nice beer, although a bit different than I expected. A solid saison, although I wish the ABV were a little lower.
Serving type: bottle
11-21-2012 21:56:24 | More by kscaldef
4.13/5 rDev +3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
Poured into a Sam Adams Perfect Pint glass
A: Amber with a big tan two finger head that pulls up a chair and joins the party. Thick lacing. A beauty awaiting drinkage.
S: Citrus, fresh. Guava, floral, pepper.
T: Pow, right in the kisser. Comes on like a tidal wave of smooth guava and lemons. Great yeast infusion. Sultry, smooth, rich. A creamy finish. This is what a saison should be!
M: medium with heavy carbonation.
O: One of the best saisons I've tried. Would drink weekly. Recommended.
Serving type: bottle
11-12-2012 18:30:13 | More by brewskifan55
3.98/5 rDev -0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
Bottle openedon on 11.1.12.
A - Pours a dark orange-brown with a fizzy yellowish head that fades rapidly.
S - Sweet tropical fruit - guessing it is the guava.
T - Tropical fruit, subtle hoppy pine and grass, light malt sweetness.
D - Lots of carbonation with a medium body.
O - Sweet and tropical, drinks easy.
Serving type: bottle
11-06-2012 06:29:27 | More by HuskyinPDX
North Carolina
3.7/5 rDev -7.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5
Appearance: This bottled had aged in my cellar for a little while and the bottle conditioning did its work on the CO2 levels, producing a huge head that squats on top of the guava colored liquid; plenty of lacing is left behind
Smell: Surprised by the Brett jumping out in the aroma as I hadn't realized this was a Brett beer; the guave is discernable, underneath, as is barnyard funk, coriander, white pepper and clove; bready malts make up the rest of the profile
Taste: Asin the aroma, the Brett takes over at the outset and, by mid-palate, there are a ton of things going on - barnyard funk, guava and spices along with other rotting tropical fruit flavors; a bit boozy in the back end, though the finish brings back the beginning, with a puckering tartness
Mouthfeel: Medium body with high carbonation and some warmth in the gullet
Overall: As with the Cucumber Saison I tried recently, I found that the concept was more interesting than the end product; just too much going on and it never comes together in an appealing way for me
Serving type: bottle
11-03-2012 21:35:52 | More by brentk56
New York
3.95/5 rDev -1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4
750ml capped bottle poured into a Lost Abbey Teku glass. Shared by schen9303.
Pours a monstrous, 4 finger foamy white head with good retention. Beer is a semi-clear deep orange. Lacing is spotty and patchy with decent stick. Nice.
Nose is aromatic. Notes of hay, guava tartness, and a very light funk. Appetizing. The tart presence takes over nicely in this one.
Opens with an aggressive and accented tartness. Tart guava is immediately apparent. Some lemon rind and cobwebs with an unexpected Brett character towards the end. Some light hop and spice bitterness round this one out. Aftertaste is fruit tartness that fades into a nice sweet presence. Enjoyable.
Light bodied with moderate carbonation. Filmy and slightly bubbly in the mouth and messy and rough going down. Finishes messy with a lingering, filmy aftertaste. Solid but needs a touch more carbonation for the style.
Overall, a real nice beer. Tartness is just right for a Saison and the taste overall is nicely complex. Wish the body was a bit livelier but nothing else to complain about.
Serving type: bottle
10-31-2012 23:01:40 | More by SpeedwayJim
Guava Grove Saison from Cigar City Brewing
89 out of 100 based on 823 ratings.


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