Ask HN: If you could live and work somewhere, where would it be? - <AUTHOR> If you could pick one place or city in the world where you'd live and work (software dev) for the next 10 years. Where would it be? And why would you pick that place? <comment><USER2> Switzerland. High living standard and good wage, multiple languages to speak (German, French, Italian, and English), neutral in the world (so I don't have to bother with wars children disguised as adults are organising), great public transport. Beautiful landscape, I'm very fond of mountains, YMMV (yes, I've been in SV/SF, also very nice).

Alas, my parents weren't Swiss, but they were from a reasonably liberal (in the sense of 'liberty') country which has a quite a bunch of the elements Switzerland has so I could've roll'ed it far less fortunate.

Only downside for Switzerland is the weather, but its a double edged sword. Sure, its generally cold. If you just work out regularly its not that bad. The air however is crystal clear which is an advantage for me given I'm a former smoker and have COPD and asthma in my close family.

<comment><USER3> Salaries are high, but cost of living is also really high. If you are from the US, expect to eat out less and have a smaller house/apartment, but have nicer (and longer) holidays.

<comment><USER2> I would assume the balance is less ideal than US. Then again people from US compare to EU while in EU you get pension, insurance, and generally a social system to protect the weak (which might be you one day).

Quite frankly I wouldn't mind not having much money to live on. My living standard doesn't evolve around e.g. eating out. I want my own apartment (for two), a cheap car, a good laptop, a reasonable good smartphone, and some interior stuff (the usual plus some expensive kitchen equipment as outlier). That's pretty much it. You don't need a high income for all of that. The only expensive one is the car and that's something you save up for (long term investment).

Health is the most important to me; from which everything sprouts. I've been in Switzerland a couple of times. The air in Switzerland is night and day compared to where I live (NL), and I don't even live in a big city.

If enough IT people move to Switzerland (I know some known figures who have) something nice can brew there. For example, Google has a lab there.

Even if you can't get an IT job there's non IT jobs available, including low wage / low education. Perhaps Norway is a better country in that regard. Postal service delivery, for example, earns a lot compared to NL. The weather is Scandinavian, but due to the Mexican Gulf temperature near coast is higher than Sweden and Finland (this also keeps fishing trade alive in winter). Relatively clean air, and they're also neutral (tho less than Switzerland).

Obviously it'd be a backup plan. I don't think you can get a visa for that anyway. Another option could be remote work.

<comment><USER4> Immigration isn't that great in switzerland. It takes even longer than the USA to get citizenship.

A high income is also good for saving, so you can bootstrap your own ventures in life instead of being beholden to a govt' retirement program or a specific employer.

<comment><USER2> > Immigration isn't that great in switzerland. It takes even longer than the > USA to get citizenship.

I assumed we were talking about a hypothetical situation because for one reason or another in our current situation we can't fulfil that dream.

Is it that difficult to get a H1B visa in Switzerland?

> A high income is also good for saving [...]

Yes, but some rather costly business like chemo therapy is in the default insurance in NL. So you will always have it. Besides, if you got too much money, you end up paying more tax. So people end up saving, but also spending, and if they don't they gotta pay more tax. All of which is good for the economy.

One other thing I like about Switzerland is the direct democracy approach. Although I think it also works so well because its a small country, we got a non binding referendum, and its barely ever used because it requires a petition. Last time it was used was Dutch Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement referendum, 2016 [1]. Note, I voted 'for', but that doesn't mean I want the government or EU to ignore the vote. Which is what pretty much happened recently in action (not in words although those words, too, weren't binding).

[1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93European...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Ukraine%E2%80%93European_Union_Association_Agreement_referendum,_2016)

<comment><USER3> >Is it that difficult to get a H1B visa in Switzerland?

If you don't have an EU passport, yes. There are regional quotas, so if you want to live somewhere with lots of tech (read: non-EU people) getting in under the quotas is really hard.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Vienna. In the heart of Europe and just short drive away from every one of these: Italy Croatia, Slovenia, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Germany, Switzerland. ranked best place to live [1] [https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/23/vienna- name...](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/23/vienna-named-worlds- top-city-for-quality-of-life)

I'm not saying that the best thing about Vienna is the highway that get away from it (LOL), but as a foreigner it's the perfect "beach head" to explore the continent (and Eastern EU is crazy fun, people are more can-do than can't-do. There are a billion other reasons such as history, culture, cuisine, outdoor & sports ... Taxes are high (like everywhere in EU) but you get decent healthcare. Also salaries in IT are good especially if you are freelancing pretty identical to Germany. (avg > €60,-/hrs).

Another one of my fav is Berlin. Salaries not as high but fantastic software / start-up ecosystem. City is very affordable compared to other parts of Europe so lower salary is not huge issue.

disclosure: I'm Austrian (though have lived outside Austria the past 20+ years)

EDIT: typos

<comment><USER6> Lived in Vienna for 8 years, now in Berlin for the past 3. Vienna the _city_ is great but I'd definitely say the biggest downside are the _Viennese_ (I know this is ironically the most Viennese thing I could say).

Basically everywhere in the German speaking world it's considered kinda weird to talk to strangers and people are quite...Shy, I guess? It's always the thing I appreciate most on visits to Canada, the US or the UK, just how talkative and nice people are.

This applies more to Austrians than to (north) Germans, and the Viennese are additionaly also grumpy and complain about everything, despite living in one of the cities with fewest things to complain about.

Also personally felt a lot less accepting of foreigners than Berlin. I far more often felt like a curious attraction and "obviously" you're not really Austrian if you're not ethnically Austrian, even if you speak German and have lived in Vienna your whole life.

<comment><USER7> Just to offer another point of view here: What you say is true but IMHO things have been improving on the "culture" side over the last 2-3 years especially.

<comment><USER6> What specifically happened in the last 2-3 years?

<comment><USER8> Eurovision-2015?

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> Already here. New York.

If you like urban life, as long as you can pay your bills it's the best and most interesting city in the world.

It also helps with a good view :) [http://000fff.org/uploads/PH6.jpg](http://000fff.org/uploads/PH6.jpg)

<comment><USER10> Great view. I dreamed about New York since I was a kid. I moved here 4 years ago (from Ukraine) and just recently started to realize how problematic this city is. There are millions of issues:

\- Real estate. Of course, this is the root of all evil. \- Driving is a bitch. My wife once asked me to go walk in a Central Park with a kid. I was looking for a parking space for one and a half hours. Literally. I drove back home. Because of the real estate, parking garage prices are ridiculous.

\- Restaurants. Overpacked with tables. Because of the real estate, owners pack their restaurants with as much tables as possible, so they could fit more people and be able to pay out rent/etc. Anniversary dinner? You'll have it with your wife, a gay couple and several business partners.

\- Subway. Don't get me started here. People pee in the subway. Trains are delayed all the time.

\- Medicine. I have a top-notch insurance. Every single doctor is scared of everything he/she is saying. It seems like all of them think that my next appointment is with a lawyer. Doctors are very "limited" in what they do. In my case, I compare with doctors from from my native country. They are more like engineers there, – never prescribe you anything, until the actual defect is determined.

\- Emergency Rooms are terrible. Best hospitals of NY. My kid was at 104F+. We came in at 12:30AM. Doctor saw us at 4AM. Same thing was with my pregnant wife. We ended up leaving the ER at 5AM because their system was offline and they couldn't get us anything.

These are just a very few things. There are much more. I'm still looking for a place to raise my kids.

P.S. New York is amazing for doing business.

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<comment><USER9> Here are a couple of tricks :)

Sunday you park for free in Manhattan and should have no problem finding a spot up around Central park. Was there yesterday myself.

Restaurants are something you need to kind of learn how to deal with. I can honestly say that I am now mostly never having issues finding a right restaurant for any kind of need. Read eater.com and use opentable plus become a regular at a couple of restaurants and you should soon get access to easier dining.

I take the subway everyday to work switching from L to R. Takes me max 30 minutes normally. Sure there are delays but it's not that bad IMO.

Healthcare here is very different than europe (i am from denmark) it's a long discussion. I know what you are saying but there are drawback to european style healthcare too.

Agree.

I Think New York is amazing for raising kids. They will get a perspective on life that's hard to get anywhere else. But it's not for everyone :)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> Switzerland. Strong economy, often considered one of the happiest countries in the world [1], considerate culture, and lots of natural geographic beauty.

[1] World Happiness Report [http://worldhappiness.report/wp- content/uploads/sites/2/2016...](http://worldhappiness.report/wp- content/uploads/sites/2/2016/03/HR-V1Ch2_web.pdf) (pp 13)

<comment><USER12> Yes it's a good place to live. But...Industry is mostly composed of banks,insurance companies, basically a financial sector. Meaning : OLD LEGACY CRAP.

Also a little bit boring and if you are not a "german" speaking person you will always feel unwelcome.

<comment><USER13> I found it to be amazingly expensive (I was there in 2013) but a phenomenal place to explore. Made amazing friends and loved the city but don't miss the $44 burritos.

<comment><USER14> I didn't live there but I did travel for work. Totally common to get stuck with a $50-70 bill for lunch. And, like a lot of places in Europe, getting charged for a pitcher of tap water is really off-putting to Americans. Geneva was by far the worst place I have ever been for charging for water.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> I recently moved to Vilnius, Lithuania, mainly because I have friends and family (my wife) here. There is quite a good local tech scene (for the size of the city), but I work remotely as the pay is higher and I don't like offices.

Compared to other EU countries it is relatively cheap, but still has a pretty good quality of life. I'd say if you are earning a western salary, as long as you like winter, you can have a better quality of life than living somewhere like the UK (where I'm from).

There are direct flights to most European capitals, so if you want to work semi-remote that's an option too. There are lots of lakes and it's not too warm (max 35c for a few days a year), so it's nice to chill out here in the summer.

</comment><comment><USER16> It would be right where I am, which is where my extended family is. With a wife and kids and being in my 30's, I've learned that who you're with is more important than where you are.

<comment><USER17> is your wife's family in the same location as yours? if not, how did you select?

<comment><USER16> Although we're both from the area, my parents have passed on and my sister is the only one who's not within a two hour drive (including most of my wife's family).

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> Vancouver, BC. Supernatural beauty. Immediate access to incredible outdoors. Great food and cafe scene. Fantastic arts and music scene. Clean. One of the greenest (carbon footprint) cities in the world. Fantastic transit system. Fast growing technology sector. + all the benefits that come with being a Canadian city.

<comment><USER19> Can you explain we what you mean by "all the benefits that come with being a Canadian city" please?

<comment><USER20> No guns and free healthcare are two things that come to mind.

<comment><USER21> Canada has guns. In fact Canada has some guns one can't get in the US due to import bans, like Norinco.

<comment><USER22> Maybe, but homocide rate is on par with Western Europe, and people generally don't walk around with weapons

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry#Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry#Canada)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER23> Taipei, Taiwan. The friendliest people you will ever meet, living and working in the most convenient country you will ever visit. Everything for daily life is within walking distance but if you do need something a bit further out, public and private transportation is exceptionally cheap and effective. The weather is fantastic year-round (save for heavy rains sometimes coming from the ocean) and taking a weekend to visit Kenting in the south by high-speed rail is a treat. I'm already saving up to do it.

<comment><USER24> My fiancé is from Taiwan and recently moved in with me in Europe. I've been there a couple of times and can not agree more with what you say! We want to live a couple of years together in my country and eventually switch to Taiwan once I feel comfortable with leaving my family and current life behind (and when she has (western) working experience & study that will grant her instant "You worked/studied in the west? Take our money!" privileges) We will live like king and queen together!

<comment><USER17> Will it ever feel comfortable? I'm in the same position as you, on the brink of moving far away (not Taiwan), but the anxiety of going somewhere new (possibly permanently!) so far from family always restrains me.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER25> Charlottesville, Virginia.

Spectacularly beautiful area; small (40,000 city/100,000 Albemarle County which is huge in terms of land area); University of Virginia (20,000 students) anchors a wonderful college town vibe; very high-end options (Wegman's/Whole Foods/Apple Store 1 hour away, etc.); 2-hour drive/2.5 hours train from Washington D.C.; growing tech hub reputation/community (little Austin); airport with lots of flights is 20 minutes from anywhere in town with ZERO security lines; cost of living trivial compared to Washington/NYC/LA/SF; no traffic jams ever; nice people.

I grew up in Milwaukee, then lived age 18-35 in LA with a year in Tokyo, moved here at age 35 in 1983: I wouldn't dream of living anywhere else.

<comment><USER16> I lived in Greensboro for a time, and the similarities are quite large. While the tech community there is less developed, you're 90 minutes from Charlotte and have everything you listed above within a half hour drive.

</comment></comment><comment><USER26> I moved four months ago from a very crowded city to an small town in the province of Córdoba, Argentina called Mendiolaza. We have beautiful landscapes and it is near (25kms) the big city.

I am a software developer like you and I work from home for a company based on Seattle.

Anyway I am not here to convince you to move to this city in particular but please consider low populated areas with green spaces.

This move has changed the life of my two kids, they went from being all day in their rooms playing with ipad, videogames etc to play outside, riding bikes, climbing trees, etc. Each one have like 10 friends they see every day. I feel they have more self-confidence since they can go outside alone for hours.

It has affected me as well, everything seems to be faster in an small town. There isn't queues when you go buy something, the services are better. Example the car wash in this town will pick up my car, wash it and bring it home. If I ask for a pediatrician home visit, the doctor will be in my front door 30 minutes after I call, compared to 4 hours. There are less places for food than in the big city, but it is more handmade and better.

The people is friendlier and there is honesty and trust among the neighbors. First time I went to buy something I ran out of cash and they didn't have debit/credit, the owner say "no problem, pay me tomorrow" even if I insisted to cancel the operation.

It took me a while to found a good internet service, I tried 3. Right now I have a 20M connection.

Anyway I think it has been the best decision I made in 2016. I am very happy to live here.

<comment><USER27> Thanks for this summation of small town living. I find it pretty inspiring actually.

One question, do you honestly ever feel like you're "missing out" or feel a sense of isolation by being so far away from a denser place? While I think cities are over-rated, I do feel that there is a variety to my immediate environment that I'd be missing if I moved to a small town and had a family. I strongly suspect this could be a false perception though.

<comment><USER26> To be honest I haven't had this feeling but maybe it is just because how I am and because I am 30 minutes away of Cordoba, which is the second bigest city in Argentina and has good nightlife etc. Most of my friends and family live there.

I tweeted few weeks ago that I moved here and found another guy in IT few kms away. Also the first week I invited two neighbours to a bbq (asado!) and turns out one of the guys worked for HP. Not enough for a meetup yet but I am considering havig some beers with them.

My wife didn't want to move out few years ago, two weeks after living here she told me that she was very happy to live here and she suffer every time she had to go to the city.

My 11 daughter has done more friends here in two months than in her entire life living in the city and my son 4yo son is about to learn to ride a bike.

My advice will be at least to try it out, it will change your life for ever.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER28> Amsterdam. Love the people and the culture, the night-life is great (no, not that sort!), cycle everywhere - never stuck in traffic jams. Reasonably easy to fly back to visit family/friends in London.

Downsides: Expensive, I can't speak Dutch.

<comment><USER29> Me too. If I think about not working in Amsterdam, I get miserable. What a place!

There is a wee cafe on the Singel which does BLTs which are so good, that it the only food that i care about, everything else is mere mass. These BLTs though...

Yes, I'd move for the BLT alone!

<comment><USER30> Just wondering which cafe?

<comment><USER31> I'm guessing it's Broodje Bert.

<comment><USER29> This is the one! I don't even tend to go to small places, it was like a calling.

<comment><USER32> Thanks for the heads up. I've eaten at Broodje Bert before but haven't tried the BLT. Lunch tomorrow! :-)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER33> Hong Kong. I love the food, culture, and fantastic public transportation. It has a nice mix of Asian and British influences. The city has tons of energy and is always alive. Plus, despite being a huge metropolis, there are tons of hiking opportunities nearby in beautiful natural areas.

Unfortunately I'm not alone in loving it so real estate is crazy expensive (even more so than NYC/SF).

<comment><USER34> Food, public transportation, beach, hiking in HK are good. But housing in HK is super expensive. You can't find a room in any other cities smaller than HK. People feel desperate because of the super expensive housing. The city's economy is kidnapped by real estate. I am living in HK and thinking about leaving.

<comment><USER33> Yup, that's really why I'd only consider living there if I'd acquired a decent amount of wealth already (at least $1M USD).

Hopefully the boom will end at some point making it affordable again, but I don't hold out much hope for that.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER35> Well, it depends. Do I have a remote job with all of the computational resources and salary I could possibly want? Then Asheville, North Carolina. Beautiful scenery, great food, plenty of high quality coffee shops, and close to family.

If "close to family" wasn't a factor then: San Francisco, Seattle, Lyon (France), Barcelona, and London (for a little while).

It's hard to beat the benefits of the massive tech ecosystem in SF. It would be nice if some of that ecosystem moved to the South. Chattanooga and Nashville are nice cities that I wouldn't mind living in either.

<comment><USER36> As a southerner who has moved West, I contend that the South needs to fix a huge amount of its culture before there will be the thriving mix of industry and creativity you can find in cities like SF, Seattle, and Boston. Let's not forget that the south has not been the engine of the American economy since slavery was (de jure) abolished.

The South's peculiar mix of dominionism and right-wing fervor makes strange bedfellows of fundamentalists and rapacious capitalists. Low taxes starve infrastructure and the social safety net, and those are what drives stability. Without stability, entrepreneurialism cannot happen. Without entrepreneurialism, the closest you get are places like Austin and RTP: big, established companies moving people for tax reasons that does nothing to foster innovation.

Atlanta really should be the next big tech hub, but it won't be so long as the regressive politics and systemic racism of the south remain unaddressed. Charlotte would be great except that things like HB2 make the prospect of moving to NC a complete nonstarter for many in the already-marginalized LGBTQ population. The list goes on.

<comment><USER37> I definitely appreciate your perspective on the South in general. But I'm a westerner who has lived in Atlanta for a number of years. The gentrification and densification of Atlanta's inner neighborhoods is unlike anything I've seen elsewhere. I'm curious why you think Georgia will hold Atlanta back from further success, instead of Atlanta dragging Georgia kicking and screaming forward. As of 20 years ago I think nobody imagined the progress Atlanta would make.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER38> Berlin. Live here and love it. Reasonably big, multicultural city with excellent public transport. You can go anywhere within 1 hour by public transport (average 25 mins). Eat any cuisine anytime, tons of startups, meetups and social events. All backed by excellent German education, innovation + social support.

</comment><comment><USER13> Melbourne, Australia needs to be on your list.

Pros: Most livable city in the world. Great startup scene. Phenomenal transportation options. Great universities. Fantastic street art everywhere. Amazing food. USD vs. AUD is quite good for USD right now so it is pretty affordable.

Cons: Internet not blazing fast. Beaches elsewhere in Australia are much better (it is on a bay = no waves).

<comment><USER39> (As an Indian) Pros: The MCG

(As an Indian) Cons: India usually loses/struggles in boxing day tests.

<comment><USER40> Every few years I consider moving somewhere else, and then I remember I won't be able to go to the cricket and footy at the G anymore, or the tennis, or the formula one :(

Melbourne has got to be one of the best cities in the world if you enjoy sports.

<comment><USER39> Ah, I forgot about tennis. I applied to UMelb and Monash back in 2011 when I was applying to grad school, but was scared off by some attacks on Indian students at the time. My sports watching life would've been so different if that had gone well.

I'd put London slightly above Melbourne, it's got Tennis, Football and Cricket among others.

<comment><USER17> One thing to note is the accessibility and convenience of the events in Melbourne. The MCG and other stadiums/arenas are all in a big complex right in the heart of the city, with easy train, tram, bike, and walking access, and this includes the Australian Open tennis. The Grand Prix is in Albert Park, which is kind of like saying there's Formula 1 in Central Park NYC, kind of nuts.

Not sure about London, but in NYC, the sporting events are far away and a real drag to get to. US Open tennis is in Queens - take a subway for an hour from Grand Central, then walk a mile on a boardwalk to the stadium, and when I attended a couple of years ago the fan experience outside of the actual matches was pretty poor (and this being the US, all about promoting corporate sponsorships). NFL football is actually in New Jersey, you have to take a commuter train from Penn Station out there and back. Madison Square Garden for basketball is the exception, but the ticket prices are prohibitive. Baseball is in the Bronx, which is not so bad, but I haven't done it.

<comment><USER41> You don't even have go to Albert Park for the Grand Prix, you can hear it from the CBD! ;)

But I concur, I have never seen a city where all the major amenities are all so closely located to the city center, it's fantastic. Etihad Stadium, Melbourne Cricket Ground, AAMI Park, the Australian Open, Hamer Hall, Sydney Myer Music Bowl, State Library of Victoria, Melbourne Museum, National Gallery, Queen Vic Market, Federation Square, Birrarung Marr, Royal Botanic Gardens, concert venues, theatre district, Chinatown, Greek precinct, Little Italy, Little Saigon, University of Melbourne, RMIT, Docklands, South Melbourne Market, the list goes on and on...

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER42> Already live there: Los Angeles. Why?

* Booming tech scene, with a healthy startup/VC ecosystem.

* Best weather + location (benefits of sun + proximity to the ocean are well-documented, e.g. [http://www.livescience.com/37819-health-benefits-living-near...](http://www.livescience.com/37819-health-benefits-living-near-ocean.html)).

It's no surprise that people from SF and NY are flocking here ;)

<comment><USER43> I come to Los Angeles a few times a year for several weeks and I really like it. I'm normally based in a mid-sized European city. In L.A. One thing that surprised me is the proximity of the mountains and Griffith Park for hiking, that's fantastic. Beaches very close, awesome weather, movie theaters everywhere, lots of diversity, etc.

Oh there are issues of course, lots of homeless, not bicycle-friendly, etc. But it is definitely on my short-list of cities to consider living in.

<comment><USER42> The west side (Santa Monica/Venice/Marina del Rey) where most of the tech companies and startups set base is extremely bicycle friendly.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER44> For the last four years I've been in Cambodia, which I will always return to as a home base. But in the future I'm also interested in extended stays in Uruguay, Iceland, Czech Republic, Finland, Mongolia, Laos, and a few others.

<comment><USER45> Eclectic choices. Are you Cambodian by birth? If not, how did you end up there?

<comment><USER44> I'm from Minnesota in the US.

I felt like I was stagnating in the US. I wanted to pursue computer programming but I didn't study it in college and didn't quite have the skill set to succeed professionally at that point. My original plan was to buy a van, drive around warm parts of the US, and live cheaply while I studied for a year or so. Then I realized that I would have a lot more runway if I went abroad. Three weeks later (on the day of my 25th birthday) I was in Cambodia... for absolutely no planning whatsoever things have turned out very well. While low cost of living was originally the main reason I chose to live here, now there are many things that would make it hard for me to go anywhere else. I have become a different person here and living a very simple lifestyle (80$ per month apartment in an ultra densely populated neighborhood, no hot water, no AC, no TV, walking everywhere, eating only healthy food, exercising daily, etc.) has fixed most of my numerous neuroses :)

<comment><USER46> Thats very interesting. I am currently in cambodia (siem reap heading to battambang tomorrow) and my frist impression is that this is not suited well for online workers. But the last part of your comment explains it. For me its really hard right now to let away some luruxy i am used too. Kudos!

<comment><USER44> The enormous hassle for me is transferring money in and out of the country. My internet service in Phnom Penh is fairly steady fortunately. Let me know if you need any advice, translations, or whatever while traveling!

<comment><USER46> I was surprised to see that half of the banks dont accept mastercard and half of the rest was somehow out of service. I can imagine there is quite a banking hassle. Thanks for the offer. Maybe i need to come back to it, but so far everything is nice (except the internet, where both 4G and the hotel Wifi fail every other hour).

From all the interesting dishes, what do i have to try?

<comment><USER44> Try all of the exotic fruits. Salak, jackfruit, sapodillas, dragonfruit, rambutan, mangosteen, durian, custard apples, and whatever else you find. Any of the familiar fruits are especially good here too (there are many types of bananas and mangoes here, for example, that taste different from any that I had eaten before). There are also fruits that I only know the Khmer names of -- /pɲiev/, /lɔŋkɔŋ/ \-- that are very good and also unusual tasting (they both look like longans).

I like a lot of Khmer food but tend toward simple vegetable-heavy stir fries with okra, kale, bamboo, lotus stems, water spinach, etc. Rice porridge is very common here and usually includes bean sprouts and coagulated cow's blood plus added lime / pepper / chili (the cow's blood is great, but chicken blood tastes terrible IMO). I also eat grilled fish and grilled chicken skin on a near daily basis.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER47> My opinion is pretty generic as I would go to SF, since I am living there. Even though it may feel that the hype is fading I think that it's just the beginning. Although each individual is different and I would try to think of other things you want to see in your everyday life as well. Do you like nature, lots of greenery? Or do you prefer fast paced city life? The choices are on the table and you just need to pick the one for you. You can see what kind of answer does this tool give you [https://teleport.org](https://teleport.org) I tend to use this site if I plan to travel somewhere. Next month I plsn to go to Sydney to get a taste of a remote lifestyle as well. All in all I think that San Francisco is the best place to go as a developer. Loads of developers and open-minded people who all have a startup-like mindset which really inspires me and has made me much more confident so far. If you don't like the city you eventually go to, you can always move. You sre never stuck in one place. Good luck on your searches :)

</comment><comment><USER48> Scotland (if I have to pick a city, Edinburgh). I don't really know what the job market is there for software development though. NY is great because of the huge market, but after traveling all over the UK (and Scotland twice), both my wife and I would love to live there. There's not nearly as many people as there are here in the US (which is a plus), and it's beautiful everywhere.

<comment><USER49> Edinburgh has lots of interesting technology companies: Rockstar, SkyScanner, Amazon, Codeplay etc. The University of Edinburgh has an excellent CS department and hosts the UK's national HPC facility, ARCHER.

It's one of the few cities in the UK that I would be tempted to move to from Bristol.

<comment><USER50> > _one of the few cities in the UK that I would be tempted to move to_

What are the others, out of interest?

<comment><USER49> Good question. Cambridge and Oxford have interesting technology but very high cost of living. Bath is close to Bristol and part of the same city region. I'd prefer to avoid London due to air quality, cost and commute. I would consider other cities (e.g. Manchester, Sheffield, Newcastle) if I find interesting work.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER51> San Diego. Best coastal city that has warm weather year-round in America in my opinion. Warm climate coastal city is my preference though. For the east coast that really only leaves charleston and savannah. Those two aren't big enough though. LA is too big for me. SD is perfect.

</comment><comment><USER52> Iceland. Clean water and air, plus practically "free" electricity. Developed utilities and infrastructure. Small and mostly friendly population. The natural beauty there gets to me every time I visit. There is nothing like seeing a bright aurora, or driving through something seemingly other-worldy. And…it might possibly survive nuclear or climate catastrophe.

<comment><USER53> +1. And I'd rather not go to Reykjavic but to some of the smaller cities. Much calmer and more charming.

</comment></comment><comment><USER54> Seoul. The city is so damn modern and the energy of Korea is amazing. It's so easy to get dragged into the fast-paced, high-energy lifestyle just by being exposed to other people long enough.

Transportation is cheap, it's very easy to reach other places in Asia and Korean people are very friendly (IMO).

If you like technology and shiny new things, Korea is definitely the place to be.

<comment><USER55> Do you know the language? Is it necessary to in order to feel that life is as fast-paced as you mention?

<comment><USER12> Absolutely. I would not say Korea is a good place to be in as a developer. Mostly dominated by Korean corps. Some companies started my foreign ethnic koreans. They are good and nice places but pay is ...mediocre.

Koreans are also a bit racist but if you do not mind it's fine.

<comment><USER54> > but pay is ...mediocre.

sure, it's no Silicon Valley but you can get decent/well paid jobs with a bit of trying. My salary was even slightly better than what I made in Germany before

<comment><USER12> I saw small/medium company offering 60k $ for normal position. How much do you make ? What kind of company ?

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER56> Silicon Valley. High pay compared to where I stay. Companies based at Silicon Valley are working on interesting products. Developers in South Africa with University degree and 10 years experience and higher, earn less than $100k per annum. No startups working on interesting products here in SA also. You are stuck with big banks if you want to make money.

<comment><USER57> my $0.02 on this is you can work in SV for 6-12 mo, then if you play your cards right, you can transition into a remote role with your current employer. Myself and other friends have done this resulting in 6-fig salary anywhere we want to live.

<comment><USER58> Could you please elaborate a little on "play your cards right"?

<comment><USER59> Be a good employee. Be valued. Be demonstrably more productive when you work from home. Etc

<comment><USER57> this ^. to add: Identifying a good company is also key. I work for a small startup and am currently the only senior backend developer. I think being 20% of the company and 100% of the backend helped my situation.

If you got a job at a large tech company, I suspect many wouldn't be as flexible. If you want to work for a large tech company, I would find out if they have any current remote workers.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER60> If I could work anywhere? Well, in the middle of the countryside miles away from absolutely anything. Always preferred rural life to city life. It'd probably be much cheaper in regards to prices and rent too.

I honestly don't care what country, so long as it's at least relatively modern in its conveniences and isn't a dictatorship of some kind.

<comment><USER43> > in the middle of the countryside miles away from absolutely anything.

This is usually synonymous with low bandwidth though.

</comment></comment><comment><USER61> Ireland. Lived there for seven years and I loved both the people and nature. We eventually left to allow kids more time with their extended family, but we miss IE so much. IT jobs are plenty and even though they don't pay as well as in SV, you can still afford a comfortable two bedroom apartment somewhere central, or a house 30 minutes (cycling) from the city centre. This is for Dublin where most jobs are. If you manage to find a good job in Cork or Galway you're even better off.

</comment><comment><USER62> One place? I could limit my choice down to three for different reasons.

* Kazan, Russia. A big city with a great architecture, interesting people and a broad mix of cultures. Also, part of family is not too far away.

* Finland, mostly because I am interested in their education system and my child gets into that age… Otherwise it's also a tech hot spot, plenty great people and projects originated there.

* Crete, Greece, great climate, kind people, beaches, mountains (awesome nature), terrific food.

<comment><USER63> I advise Kazan (here pronounced _caution_ ) though:

Average low in Jan/Feb: -13 deg. C (~ 8 F)

Record low: -47 deg C (~ -52 F)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazan#Climate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazan#Climate)

<comment><USER64> Not that much worse than Minneapolis:

Average low in Jan: 7.5 F (~ -13 C)

Record low: -41 F (~ -41 C)

<comment><USER65> An ex-colleague (in a company I worked in earlier), who was based in Minneapolis or somewhere in Minnesota, came for a visit, and told us that he got frost-bite as a kid, and parts of his face were still sensitive due to that, many years later.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER66> Canary Islands (assuming I can find work there). 20 degrees all year round is the perfect weather for me.

<comment><USER65> How's the Internet speed and cost and uptime there?

<comment><USER67> Internet is fine. The Canaries are a staging point for several transatlantic fibres. There is also an extremely active astrophysics group on both Tenerife and La Palma who shunt a lot of data around the world. You'll pay more for it, but that's because Spanish telcos are a monopoly. You might not get 100Mbit, but certainly 20M+ is normal.

Tourism isn't really a problem because the tourists stick to the resorts. The upside of a flourishing tourist industry is that you can get dirt cheap flights from all over Europe.

I've spent a lot of time in Tenerife. Santa Cruz, in the North, is a lovely city. The weather is pleasant all year round, beaches nearby, the people are friendly and the food is excellent. Accommodation is cheap and readily (and informally) available, prices are generally lower than mainland Spain so for most Westerners the cost of living is low. Most amenities are there - you've got a cinema, large supermarkets, big brand stores and so on. Getting things online may take a bit longer, I missed Amazon Prime.

You will almost certainly need a car if you plan on doing any kind of travel around the islands. Gas is about the same as most of Europe, perhaps a little lower.

The main downside for foreigners is that outside of the resorts fewer people speak English, but Spanish is easy enough to learn. There is a large ex pat community, though they tend to concentrate in the resorts for obvious reasons.

(Also Carnivals are great! Don't listen to the person who said otherwise. They run for a week or two every year, everyone dresses up, gets drunk and pees wherever they can.)

<comment><USER68> Actually gas is around 30 to 40% cheaper than - say - France or Germany: France 1.42:

[https://gasoline- germany.com/international.phtml?kontinent=E...](https://gasoline- germany.com/international.phtml?kontinent=EU&land=53&einheit=Liter&waehrung=EUR)

Germany 1.35:

[https://gasoline- germany.com/international.phtml?kontinent=E...](https://gasoline- germany.com/international.phtml?kontinent=EU&land=238&einheit=Liter&waehrung=EUR)

Canary Islands 0.89:

[https://gasoline- germany.com/international.phtml?kontinent=E...](https://gasoline- germany.com/international.phtml?kontinent=EU&land=237)

Generally speaking I would say that overall prices are 10-15% lower than continental Spain and 20-30% lower than other main EU countries (like the mentioned France and Germany).

Of course it depends on where you go and which specific city you want to compare with.

<comment><USER69> Yes, gas and gadchets (computers, cameras, phones, etc) are cheaper. There are some fake imitations around also.

Respect to the car issue, even if its convenient to have one, you can probably go everywere by bus or bike. Islands have a reduced sense of distances and are a small world. Tenerife Island has around 70Km from one point to the other extreme. Other islands are smaller. Some people love it, other go into claustrophobic mode after a while. People often escape by ferry to other islands or fly to the continent some days to reset.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER70> I'm already there. It's NYC. The only thing I would change is to give us some tropical weather.

<comment><USER71> Been there only once for a couple weeks, but it's the best city ever, hands down. A hub of many industries and the urbanite heaven. Having visited many of the usual suspects referred in this thread plus some, nothing compares really.

<comment><USER17> Believe me I don't mean this with any offense and condescension. But you do need to live in NYC for a few years to decide. Most who do this will end up leaving, but some really love it and give 100% effort to never leave it. I would say it really depends on your job/career here. Good place to try either way and it will open one's eyes and also help one figure out what they want in life.

<comment><USER71> No doubt true, but same stands for about any megalopolis out there. In the end it's up if the place has right chemistry for you, and yes, if you can support the lifestyle to match. There's little point to live in NYC outside of Manhattan ;)

<comment><USER72> So by your admission, the 6.8 million people living in the outer boroughs are living pointless lives?

<comment><USER71> No, my point is that it's not worth moving to NYC just to live in Queens. You can live purposeful life even in Aleppo, that isn't what the thread is about.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER73> Tel Aviv, Israel. Perfect weather and beaches. Beautiful girls. Amazing tech companies and funding. Unbelievable nightlife.

<comment><USER74> What about the politics?

<comment><USER75> I hear the settlements are beautiful this time of the year. Seriously though, it looks like an interesting place and quite polarized in many ways, I might be wrong.

<comment><USER76> I don't have a dog in this fight, but why wouldn't this apply to the US, for example? Sunny with a chance of drone strike and subsequent white wash, for example. Have you followed the elections lately? Or the riots in various cities? Or the record-breaking murder rate in Chicago.

Seems weird to me to bring this up here.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER77> For me, that place was Texas. I finally made the move to Dallas and my fiancée and I couldn't be happier. Great weather, great cost of living, great economy, great driving and great people.

</comment><comment><USER78> Philadelphia, PA

First of all, it's very reasonable. About 40% cost of rent compared to SF or NY and food/entertainment are also much cheaper.

Second, I think it's secretly the best food city (per dollar) in the country. Everything from the $7 cheese steak to a $50 dinner is great and you never wait in lin or fight for a reservation.

Third, easy access to the whole east coast. Amtrak to NYC or DC before lunch.

Fourth, great history and a vibrant culture. The city is also very pro-growth and seems to get better all the time. No NIMBYs.

Sixth, very solid infrastructure. Decent public transportation, great hospitals, world class universities in the city, etc.

Finally, I like the people there. They have a reputation for being tough but it's just a veneer.

</comment><comment><USER79> Middle of nowhere with an internet connection. I'd be pretty happy in Alaska but living in Alaska is very expensive.

<comment><USER80> I would love the same, but the the possibility of a sudden-onset life- threatening health issue and lack of proximity to a high-quality medical facility makes this a non-starter for me.

<comment><USER81> Even five kilometres from a small town can feel like wilderness. These days a town of 5,000 people can have enough to sustain life (medical and otherwise).

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER82> My wife and I are quite happy in Chiang Mai, Thailand. I think I could probably stay here for 10 years.

The cost of living is very low, and the climate is pretty nice all year. There's a lot of good restaurants and cafes, and lots of variety. You can find some pretty good Mexican, Indian, Italian, Japanese, etc. There's a lot of 24 hour coworking spaces and cafes to work from, and it's always very safe to walk home at 3am. The crime rate is very low. There's also a lot of meetups and things to do. There's a lot of cinemas with movies in English (and Thai subtitles). There's bowling, ice skating, archery, paintball, and lots of parks and hiking trails.

Major downsides are the "burning season" which lasts for a few months every year, when the air is full of smoke. Also, the traffic is pretty dangerous. It's nowhere near as bad as India, Cambodia, or Vietnam, but it's pretty bad. Another downside is the lack of live music, theater, etc. You have to go to Bangkok to see any international bands, and they don't come very often.

If visas and money weren't an issue, I have a big list of places that I would like to explore before moving somewhere long-term. Examples: Hong Kong, Taiwan, Andorra, Austria, Sweden, Estonia, Dunedin (NZ), Arrowtown (NZ), New Haven (CT), San Luis Obispo (CA), Portland (OR), or Denver (CO). Maybe New York.

</comment><comment><USER83> Anywhere, anytime.

I'm generally based in Stockholm, Sweden; my home town and just generally a lovely place to live. It's certainly not the cheapest, but everything works really well and internet is fiber by default nearly everywhere these days, 4g if wireless. People are friendly and the city is clean and beautiful. Driving sucks, but public transport is great and runs all the time, so not a big deal. I can take a ferry to get downtown, which is winning in my book. Plenty of flight options out of Stockholm to go anywhere in Europe as well, including a short hop to London, Frankfurt or Helsinki, which will basically take you anywhere.

That said, I'm now currently in Florida, because January almost anywhere in Sweden is cold, wet, and dark. I'll be working from here for a while before heading back, at which point I might just go somewhere in south Europe for a while.

My point is, I absolutely love Stockholm as a base of operations and summer in Sweden is unbeatable in my opinion and I couldn't see myself anywhere else, but I need the freedom to go where I want/need to be. Being tied down to an office building again isn't something I could do and still stay happy – maybe if I start a family of my own, but I have no such interest.

My life is generally more expensive and messy now, but I'm much, much happier.

<comment><USER43> Interesting. How does bandwidth work? For example when you are in Florida do you rent a place just for a few weeks (can't stay more than 3 months) and register with an ISP or do you stay at a hotel?

I'd love to have that freedom, I already work remotely, but I can't really be offline for multiple days unless it's on purpose for vacations.

<comment><USER83> Typically I go to places like coffee shops and such that might have decent wifi. It takes a couple of days of scouting to find a few good spots, but there's always some. I also generally get a prepaid contract or hotspot with whatever local cell provider is the fastest and/or has the best coverage.

I almost exclusively go to places where I know internet isn't going to be an issue, for when I'm working. I do a bit of research beforehand when necessary, but it's generally not.

<comment><USER83> I forgot to mention I have a couple of sim cards from various countries in the EU that have generous roaming. Like Three UK which will give you essentially free roaming (but not calls and texts) certainly within the union, but also in places like the USA. It's not enough for tethering (indeed, it doesn't even work) but it's good enough for keeping internet on your phone for things like GPS, simple mail etc, holding you over between wifi hotspots.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER84> I'm genuinely surprised that this post is up to 214 comments and nobody has mentioned Paris yet.

I have no idea what the practicalities of a life in Paris are, but it's still at the top of my list. In maybe half a dozen visits, I've found Parisians to be quite friendly for city dwellers (very much counter to the stereotype). If I approach situations in my severely broken French, people figure out quite quickly that their English is better than my French, and like most everywhere else in Europe, nearly everyone under 40 speaks excellent English.

Maybe it's one of those things that looks better to an outsider than it is, but the pace of life is very attractive to me.

I'm far less surprised that nobody has mentioned Chicago, but it's not bad here. For a large city, it has most everything I want: great art, great restaurants, etc. The cost of living here is obscenely low relative to NYC or SF. For far less (monthly rent vs. mortgage payment) than friends who rent one bedroom apartments in either city, we own a modest, but very nice detached house in a nice neighborhood smack in the middle of the city.

Between the recent dramatic uptick in shootings and the truly shitty weather in the winter (though spring and summer are glorious), it's pretty hard for it to bubble up to the top of anyone's list.

<comment><USER85> nobody who is posting on HN will be living in englewood or east garfield park, so the relative effect of crime increases in chicago is almost totally irrelevant to their decision. It's a problem I want desperately to be solved too, but not because I'm deluded into thinking it's going to affect me in any way.

Other than the cold/hot weather, there's nothing more I could want out of chicago. As you said, the cost of living in comparison to other big cities is incredible.

<comment><USER84> Maybe you and I have different interpretations of what affects us, but I'm still affected if I live in a city with a dramatically increasing murder rate, even if I'm not likely to be murdered. I have friends working in trauma care at hospitals, for the police and fire department, I volunteer my time in neighborhoods I don't live in, etc. More than that, I have a hard time saying that the problems of people just a few blocks west of me aren't a) my problems already, and b) likely to become bigger problems for me in the future. Maybe it's all just misplaced liberal guilt, but I find it hard to ignore.

<comment><USER85> No, i'm on the same page as you completely, i just mean that the representation of the issue as if the shooting is indiscriminate or random and anyone is equally likely to be affected bothers me.

people that arent from chicago think it's a warzone. They're right, but it's only that way for the people unfortunate enough to be living in the small number of areas that are so disproportionately affected by it.

To me, it removes weight from the actual truth (that a proportionally smaller number of people are being horribly affected by the violence) to represent it as something that everyone is facing some comparable likelihood of being shot/hurt.

It _is_ a Chicago problem, not just a south/west side problem, and I think everyone here should feel empathetic and responsible for helping us all get past the issue, but I guess I just don't like it being represented as if well- to-do people face anything even remotely comparable to those in austin or englewood etc.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER86> I'm amazed nobody has said Denver, Colorado yet. The combination of big city plus mountain geography is very unique in the US, but also anywhere in the world I think (I've heard suggestions that Zurich is similar r.e. geography, but the city isn't as big).

If you like being outdoors, this is the place. The culture here is exactly that: to be outside all the time skiing, cycling, climbing, hiking, etc.

The only downside is that it's quite expensive :(

<comment><USER87> Visiting friends there in a week or so... Any suggestions for what to do in winter there that isn't some outdoors sport or something that requires being outside for long periods? Our friends have a young baby so we have a limiting factor in our group.

Also, what is the tech industry like there and what neighborhoods are up and coming but still super safe?

</comment></comment><comment><USER88> I'm from Italy originally, and now live in SF.

I would go back to Italy in a heartbeat if I were retiring, or if I were a software developer doing remote work. Great people, great food, great history/culture, etc. I'd probably pick Venezia (Venice), one of the most stunning places in the world. One of the tourist-free areas, of course.

The problem with Italy is when you have to deal with people for work. Terrible. A nightmare. I would never do that again.

<comment><USER89> I'd pick some city in Veneto or Friuli-Venezia Giulia regions for remoting for the exact same reasons you mentioned.

I was actually offered an on-site dev job around there once but had to turn it down due to economic reasons and other commitments back home.

</comment></comment><comment><USER90> Montréal. Having visited for a few weeks I fell in love with the city and the province.

<comment><USER76> Montreal in the summer is really incredible. It feels like a big city with all of the amenities. I've never been there during the winter, but thought of several feet of snow makes me not want to live there.

</comment></comment><comment><USER91> I love and live in NYC right now, but I wouldn't mind moving to Salt Lake City, UT. Political climate is a bit silly, but the outdoor recreation is just amazing. Skiing, mountain biking, climbing, fishing... all in your backyard. Cost of living is pretty low, but salaries/job diversity seem pretty low along with it, so I'll probably stay with NYC for a while.

<comment><USER92> What are your like and dislikes about NYC?

</comment></comment><comment><USER93> SF, Oakland, or Berkeley. My family and friends are in the Bay Area. The weather is nearly unparalleled. The food variety is solid. Transit is not that bad, if you compare the cities I mentioned to the rest of the US.

I guess the tech scene is decent, but the other factors I mentioned mean a lot more to me. (I would almost prefer it if the area weren't as much of a hotspot, actually...)

<comment><USER94> Berkeley is really cool, esp downtown area

<comment><USER95> Insanely expensive though, as is the entirety of the bay area.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER96> For year-round stay: Southern France. Good healthcare, good food, nice weather.

Alternatively (And this is something I'm actually going to try for software dev in 2017): winter on the Canary Islands and summer in Sweden.

</comment><comment><USER97> Hiroshima, I just love the city. Although I would certainly not work there, as the working conditions are a bit stressful.

I'll try to focus on my SaaS and have a nice, steady income to turn my dream true.

<comment><USER98> Seconded. Hiroshima is a beautiful town. Small enough to be walkable and large enough to be culturally vibrant. It has lots of water and great bicycling. And even more (!) history than most Japanese cities.

</comment></comment><comment><USER99> Brilliant question I also would like the answer to. For context, I have lived and worked in Ireland, UK, US, France, Germany, Cyprus, Japan and Singapore. I really like Singapore for the low tax, great weather, amazingly safe and crime-free environment (particularly appreciated by my wife) and tech-heavy leanings - although if you are a political blogger it might not be the place for you! It is also by some measures now the richest country on the planet (GDP per capita). It has a reputation for being expensive but if you are willing to live without owning a car (really not necessary in Singapore) and not buying a property (artificially expensive for a non-local) it really isn't that bad - certainly cheaper than central London or Manhattan. Hope this helps :)

</comment><comment><USER100> Somewhere in Scandinavia. I don't know much about the area other than they score among the highest on self-reported happiness indicies[0]. I'm curious about what cultural differences are responsible for that result, and I suppose I'd like to enjoy them for myself.

[0]: [http://www.medicaldaily.com/world-happiness-report- scandinav...](http://www.medicaldaily.com/world-happiness-report-scandinavia- worlds-happiest-countries-378453)

<comment><USER101> Living in Copenhagen, Denmark I'm not sure that moving here necessarily will make you more happy. Maybe the results would be different if one looked at what makes expats happy when moving to a new country.

</comment></comment><comment><USER102> I ended up in Montana. (Bitterroot Valley between Hamilton and Missoula specifically).

Granite big walls and boulders to climb, powder to ski in winter, microbreweries and relatively cost of living.

<comment><USER103> Oh hello fellow Montanan. I grew up here, so it's a little different for me.

</comment></comment><comment><USER104> No where in particular and everywhere at the same time because the beauty is in moving around.

</comment><comment><USER105> In a glass dome on Mars because the stars would look amazing.

</comment><comment><USER106> If it were down to "had to work as an employee for companies in the local area", I'd have a house in Woodside or Atherton, CA and work on the Peninsula or SF. I hate the government of California and a lot of other things about being in California, but for 10 years of betting on local companies only, SFBA is the safest bet.

Bellevue/Kirkland/Redmond is my second choice, and I like Washington outside of Seattle more than anywhere else in the US. Since I now have my own company, I'm fine with it -- if I had to work for Microsoft, another startup in WA, Google Kirkland, or something like that, I'd probably stay. Best overall blend of startups, sane government, qualify of life, great culture, environment, etc.

If I had the flexibility to leave, I'd be interested in: Beijing. Kharkov. Israel. Berlin. Hong Kong. As it is, I just got back from a trip to Kharkov, and if I had to hire a lot of ops/admin/tech people, it would be really really tempting. I'm also interested in Utah and Tennessee in the long run, and Montreal.

<comment><USER107> Where do you recommend in Washington?

<comment><USER106> Broadly, eastside -- Redmond, Kirkland, Bellevue, etc., but also looking at Snohomish County. I nominally live in Redmond now. I don't like Seattle proper, but do like the Seattle area.

(What I'm really looking for is a 5-10 acre property in King or Snohomish County which has gigabit Internet, is not in a city with restrictive building codes, permits shooting (hard in King County), ideally borders a hill or non- buildable land on one or more sides, is on a decent road, ideally isn't too far from SEA or downtown Bellevue and Kirkland, maybe is zoned Ag (I'd be happy to do hobby farm ops on site), and is "affordable". That's possibly overdetermined, though.)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER108> I just currently locked down a 12 month lease in Saigon, Vietnam. I've been visiting here often the last couple of years and keep feeling pulled back to the city, so decided to commit to being here for most of the time the next 12 months.

It's a "big" city in Asia without being massive. (Bangkok, Tokyo, Manila, etc.) Great coffee shop scene, rooftop bars, restaurants, and friendly expat entrepreneurial community/vibe. In fact, Obama came through a few months ago and gave a talk at one of the co-working spots to some of the local entrepreneurs!

Here are some good write-ups on entrepreneurship in Saigon:

[https://www.virgin.com/entrepreneur/the-worlds-best-start- up...](https://www.virgin.com/entrepreneur/the-worlds-best-start-up-hubs-ho- chi-minh-city-vietnam)

[https://www.coworker.com/lab/14-reasons-why-saigon-is-the- ul...](https://www.coworker.com/lab/14-reasons-why-saigon-is-the-ultimate- playground-for-bootstrapping-entrepreneurs/)

</comment><comment><USER109> Japan (not sure which city), at least for a while but only for a while (not sure if I could keep up 10 years there). I love the culture.

<comment><USER54> Culture yes, but depending on the company, the working environment is not that awesome :p Also it's very easy to feel isolated as a foreigner and seeing thousands of people squishing themselves into the trains every morning doesn't make it better.

Though the startup scene here is changing very strongly and bigger companies from all over the world open offices here and consider Japan as the 'gateway into the asian market'.

Give it a try! The dream of moving to Japan is really not that difficult, especially if you're doing IT.

<comment><USER110> _it 's very easy to feel isolated as a foreigner and seeing thousands of people squishing themselves into the trains every morning doesn't make it better._

I'm here now, have been for six months (on sabbatical; studying Japanese half- time). It's interesting...sometimes I feel isolated (as anyone would when you don't speak or read the language fluently), but folks here have been quite friendly and supportive. I've found it easier to make friends here than in SF (where I've lived for eight years). Inasmuch as you can generalize an entire country, people here are forgiving and curious and friendly...just shy/introverted and overworked.

The foreign people who do best here seem to be the folks who are a) at least a little bit outgoing and well-adjusted, and b) don't have unrealistic prior expectations of what "Japan" is. So many weirdo, socially isolated expats come here expecting one long manga/anime/kawaii/samurai adventure that will fix their broken lives, and they're disappointed to find a country of normal people who work hard, have families and lives, and mostly don't do any of those things.

Love the food and the baths and the transit though. Wish they would adopt insulation. And decent cheese.

<comment><USER54> Let me elaborate on the isolated part a bit maybe.

I speak almost fluent Japanese but the problem comes more in the very strong cultural difference that you are mostly not even aware of unless you are indeed fluent and surrounded by people that tell you your mistakes (which doesn't happen often).

It is (IMO) very hard to make 'good' Japanese friends (not talking about occasional drinking buddies). People seem nice but (especially in Tokyo) often don't tell you what they really think or feel. Being direct and honest about certain things is just not the way things are done here, that starts already at the language level and why you would rather say that something is difficult than not possible (それは難しいです・・・, pretty sure you heard that already a few times.)

Being direct as a foreigner and speaking in a direct way can work but is thus because of the difference in talking and nuance further isolating you and giving you the 'foreigner / 外人' stamp on your forehead, maybe without you really realizing that it's happening. A side-effect of that is that you get considered as, well, a foreigner. Maybe someone who is fun and weird to hang out with but not actually someone who could become a deep friend.

Then of course you have the other group of people that are strangely open and direct to you, but more than often that's the kind of people that only want a foreign boyfriend or someone to practice english with and nothing else.

Sure, everyone is indeed very very friendly and supportive but that can easily be confused with the polite nature that's rooted deeply in this country. That can also come over as shy and introverted, but if the majority of the people comes over as shy and introverted it's maybe not the people that's different but rather you.

Not saying at all that it's bad here. I am still really enjoying my time with a rough 4 years in total but it definitely depends if you want to be fully integrated or always wear that foreigner hat.

<comment><USER110> Yep, I'm familiar with everything you're saying. You definitely don't need language fluency to know that you're being treated differently...just time, and a bit of social awareness. They aren't particularly subtle about it. But in my experience, this is also true of _any_ place where your foreignness is advertised by your skin color or facial structure or height or whatever -- you're just going to be treated like a stranger, because, well, you are one.

I've met a fair number of long-term expats now, and there's a group who have taken this personally, and now have a complex about never being "truly accepted"; then there are the ones who have embraced their otherness. Those latter folks are totally aware they're different, and they just decide that they're going to be themselves, but in Japan. They seem to get along quite well. I've met foreigners who run businesses, _many_ who are married, and even a few who are involved in local government, organizing matsuri, and so on.

Anyway, I'm not suggesting that it's easy, or that I'm in that latter group. I'm just saying that I've seen it, and it's possible, and that it seems to come most readily when you know and accept where you stand.

(Also...for the record, I've heard this _exact_ complaint from expats in every country I've ever visited, including Europe. I was once considering moving to the Netherlands, and I had a dozen lily-white expats telling me that the Dutch are great and friendly and incredibly polite, but it's just _impossible_ to make native friends. So it's not just Japanese people.)

<comment><USER111> > but it's just impossible to make native friends. So it's not just Japanese > people

This is sort of a "bubble" problem. Dutch people that are "settled" already have a loyal circle of friends and are not always looking to make more friends. There's also the problem that expats usually work in demanding jobs with lots of competition and not a lot free time. It's hard to make friends that way, especially if half of your colleagues are rushing to daycare to pick up their kids.

If you were able to move out of that bubble, to a less populous / competitive area, you might find much more laid back people.

<comment><USER110> _" This is sort of a "bubble" problem. Dutch people that are "settled" already have a loyal circle of friends and are not always looking to make more friends."_

This is always true, everywhere. Long-time residents of a place have a network of friends/family that newcomers don't have. It's not unique to the Dutch or the Japanese.

This brings up a point I forgot: most expats are young, and have zero experience making friends outside of the social bubble of school. This is hard enough if you're just moving in your own country, but it's worse if you're moving to a place where you don't speak the language well. This is probably a source of a lot of the complaints about cultures being especially closed or unfriendly.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER112> Leuven, Belgium:

small, international city, everything in arm's reach, looks stupendous, young&sexy vibe, great college town rhythm, close to everything worthwhile in Europe, high-tech job market, top notch culture in Brussels (20min trainride, 4x an hour). Expensive for Belgian standards, but it's a blueprint for aspirational cities of the 21st century: human-scaled, wealthy, georgeous, diverse economy, and centrally located in the global village.

Philadelphia, PA:

best urban core in the US: compact downtown, wonderful residential areas surrounding it (old city, fairmount, society hill), great 19th century grandeur, close to everything worthwhile on Eastcoast, top notch culture. Primarily here because it is affordable and allows you to live a luxurious city life on a normal income.

Lugano, Switzerland:

italian flair in Switzerland. No jobs, but you won't care in a place that looks like the riviera nestled in the Alps. Great for outdoors people, heavenly in all seasons.

</comment><comment><USER113> Pago Pago, American Samoa. Moderately good looking area, plenty of sharks in the harbor. Lots of sun. I would need a satellite Internet connection to do anything tech-based. There would be no hope of corporate espionage. Would never be able to have time zones meet up for a teleconference ever again.

This would be as far south as I could go on the planet without being an NSF scientist assigned to McMurdo and still be within US jurisdiction. Technically would count as a very legal tax haven within the US defense umbrella. I wouldn't be paying the IRS but rather the territorial government.

Yep, just need a good working satellite connection since the local broadband isn't that great and I would be good to go.

</comment><comment><USER114> Hyderabad, India.

Great food (lots of multi-cuisine restaurants), warm for more than 9 months in a year, cold otherwise but not freezing cold and a happening tech. scene. The work isn't top-notch yet, but it's improving.

</comment><comment><USER115> While I would love to live on those places, I'm almost sure living close to either mine or my wife's parents is a better strategy for overall happiness and mental sanity... But maybe in 15 years?

<comment><USER17> Heh, yeah. It is hard enough to have a dog without family around, I don't know how people do it with kids. If grandparents are willing to help you save a ton on childcare and both parents can continue to work, which increases your income and savings. Fortunately my wife's family lives in a great city. Unfortunately, it's 17hrs flight from my family.

<comment><USER115> Mine is always around 8 hours (same country, no direct flight) :)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER116> Boulder, CO.

<comment><USER117> I'm here. It's not that awesome.

<comment><USER118> I moved to Denver about a year ago. It's all subjective of course, but I really struggle to understand the benefits of living in Boulder outside of a more vibrant tech scene and being a nice cozy town. The rent is ~$300-$400 more expensive. The trails are absolutely packed with people. There is beer pong and loud parties on every corner in the summer. Yes, it's a little closer to skiing resorts, but we're talking extra 20 minutes. Yet, whenever I talk to folks there they seem to enjoy it while I can't help but feel out of place surrounded by college kids everywhere.

<comment><USER119> If you aren't on the hill or a in a tiny handful of bars on Pearl, you never run into the college kids. They mostly stay south of the creek, with the exception of the dive bars on Pearl (and Absinthe House, but that place is a dump anyways).

I've lived here for three years, go out every weekend and never once have I seen anyone playing beer pong.

<comment><USER118> Yeah, like I thought, it's a little subjective. I'm just hanging out at the wrong places with folks there :)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER120> Granada or Cordoba in Spain.

Would need central air conditioning in summer though.

<comment><USER50> +1 for Granada. Probably my favourite place I've visited to date, but the job market doesn't sound great. If you can get a remote gig though, what a place to live.

<comment><USER120> My business goes where I go, so all I need is a stable internet connection.

The really difficult problem for us Americans is staying in the EU for an extended period of time (90 of every 180 days only).

Other options I'm inclined to try: Santiago in Chile, and maybe one or two of the smaller tiny towns dotting the Chilean coast as you head south to Patagonia.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER121> I'm pretty content where I am now (Chapel Hill, NC) but if I had Ludicrous Money I'd love to have a condo in downtown Chicago. I wouldn't want live in Chicago year round, mind you (too cold in the winter), but I love spending time there.

I'm also partial to the Portland, Oregon region, as well as New Orleans. Both of those would be pretty high on my list of potential places to live, if I ever left Chapel Hill.

</comment><comment><USER122> London. Dunno - I kind of like it here. It's quite an international melting point. I hope brexit doesn't muck things up too much.

</comment><comment><USER123> I honestly love living in the Bay Area. There is a community for everyone that fits their style, weather is good, food is great, lots of culture opportunities, great for kids, all types of environments in driving distance, international airport, best development community in the world, expensive as all get up.

Live in Oakland and it's hard to imagine living anywhere else.

</comment><comment><USER124> I always remember the answer from my boss to this question 4 years ago.

I'm living in Europe and I'm working in the tech industry. We were in a business trip in Asia with people from different countries and everyone had his own different answer.

My boss, living and working in SF Bay Area, answered: "The Bay Area. I'm already living and working in the best place."

</comment><comment><USER125> Anywhere with temperature between 25 and 30 C year long, no authoritarian government, reasonable services. Remote working.

<comment><USER43> That's also my wish list, and I add "English, French or Spanish as primary language".

That temperature range means Mediterranean weather, so the list of cities is the following:

Barcelona, Marseille, Cape Town, Adelaide, Perth, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, Santiago de Chile.

</comment></comment><comment><USER126> I'd go to SF/Silicon Valley and look to buy a small starter apartment. Higher wages can pay into high housing costs -- which translate into major savings if you move to a low-cost city. You're also going to be close to some of the world's best talent which should help you hone your craft.

</comment><comment><USER127> London. A great city with amazing history and culture, tons of things to do, other European cities are hours away if you want to travel and has a good tech scene. Add to that, it has a fantastic public transport system and no language barrier. And of course, you can watch Premier League games every weekend!

<comment><USER128> I don't know if you've lived there or not, but I'm going to assume you haven't and give you my experience over 3 years.

1) Public transport is good, when it works. It often doesn't.

2) Public transport is good, until you have a job that has structured hours- which is most jobs, as evidenced by the INSANE rush hour. 20 minutes in some guys armpit feels like multiple hours.

3) You can't afford to live somewhere nice. I mean, I earned quite a bit more than the average and was spending 50-60% of my take home salary on rent. And I lived in a bad neighbourhood. (because I wanted to live alone).

4) Pubs have the same problem as the transport system, super crowded at rush times.. spills into the streets, especially in the west end/theatreland.

That said, if I had the money to live well in London, it would be a great place to live.

<comment><USER50> That's a fair account of the reality of life in London. Of course the abundance of jobs, great tech scene and endless things to do are all true, but it's not all as good as it sounds.

I'd add one more:

5) Forget going to Premier League games every weekend, it's near impossible to get a ticket if you don't know a season ticket holder!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER129> Ideally, I'd work remotely and move around whenever I wanted.

If I had to pick a city, I'd pick Helsinki or Oslo. Scandinavia is beautiful, socially progressive, has great education and health services, and is conveniently located to the rest of Europe.

You just have to deal with the cold for 9 months out of the year.

</comment><comment><USER130> Hanalei, Kauai (Hawaii)

it is my favorite place to be. The town is friendly. I love all the farms, and there are plenty of outdoor activities to do.

Sure, it rains a lot. (Some houses are on stilts and the only road out of town floods over a few times a year) But IMO, it is worth it.

Now to find an IT job where I can work remote...

</comment><comment><USER131> I live in NYC, but would probably want to live in San Diego or some other warm pretty place in the usa.

<comment><USER76> I'm a NYC native who spent some time in San Diego for work. I was just reminiscing about the weather there. I spent many weeks there over the course of a year and had nothing but perfect weather to contend with. And the food was great.

I'm not sure I could live there, however. The downtown area is limited and a little run down. It also seems like you have to drive everywhere. The salaries don't reflect the cost of living. The IT market was a little anemic, but remote work could make these last points moot.

It's worth a visit all the same.

</comment></comment><comment><USER132> Victoria, BC, Canada. Fantastic food, great lifestyle, amazing scenery, close to 2 big cities (Vancouver, Seattle), best weather in Canada, a growing technology industry...

The only downside is that in 10-20 years it will probably become overcrowded.

<comment><USER67> What's the cost of living in Victoria?

I was there last year and loved it (equally Van was lovely), but the rent looked almost as outrageous as London.

<comment><USER133> Ha, you haven't even seen the super-low salaries yet.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER134> Bangalore. Great startup scene, amazing talent. The IT spirit of the city almost feels like silicon valley in 90's. Also a lot of pubs and bars and thousands of places to eat makes the city just a amazing place to be in.

</comment><comment><USER135> Hawaii, either Oahu or Maui. Provided I could afford a decent place to live. There is something about green that I love. Other green islands like Dominica would work too, though internet on some islands is not great.

<comment><USER130> Have you been to Kauai? Think Maui, but fewer people.

</comment></comment><comment><USER136> Seattle, WA. I've been in love with the Pacific Northwest since I visited my great-great-grandparents in Eugene when I was a kid. When I visited Seattle as an adult, I knew I had to live there.

tech + ocean + mountains =

</comment><comment><USER137> New York. I fell in love with the city during my first visit this summer, and even if I don't get to live there in the future, I really hope to get an internship there or anywhere other in the US really.

</comment><comment><USER138> NYC. I think it's just a very inspiring place. But it's soo expensive so I'll add a second; Barcelona. Why? Affordable, inpiring as well, and nice weather / beach...

</comment><comment><USER139> New York or San Francisco.

With their salaries, I could retire at 30 instead of 65.

<comment><USER17> Have you looked into the rent and taxes in NYC?

As a determined single person chasing FIRE you probably could pull off some arbitrage by renting a room somewhere far, but a more reasonable lifestyle and raising a family, I doubt it.

<comment><USER139> Looks fantastic to me.

New York City:

\- Gross income: $150,000

\- Net income: $95,000

\- Rent: $25,000

\- Money left: $70,000

Montreal:

\- Gross income: $35,000

\- Net income: $27,000

\- Rent: $6,000

\- Money left: $21,000

Would you switch place?

<comment><USER140> Median developer salary is more like $45k in Montreal [1] and $93k in NYC [2], according to Payscale.

[1] - [http://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Job=Software_Engineer_%2...](http://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Job=Software_Engineer_%2f_Developer_%2f_Programmer/Salary/720cacaf/Montr%C3%A9al- QC)

[2] - [http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Software_Engineer/Sa...](http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary/df029197/New- York-NY)

Money left NYC: $40,000

Money left Montreal: $23,250

The apartment difference is going to be considerable. It's very cheap to rent in Montreal.

<comment><USER139> My numbers are in USD.

$45,000 CAD = $33,500 USD

<comment><USER140> Mine too I did the conversion and Montreal's median salary is $60,000 Canadian not $45,000.

<comment><USER139> My bad.

Looks like I'm underpaid.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER141> South Goa. Summer in Winter Beaches Low Traffic Afternoon siestas

</comment><comment><USER142> Outside of cities, I'm pretty certain that I could be happy in most of the not-stupidly-hot world. In practice, probably England/Wales for family reasons.

</comment><comment><USER143> Belgrade, Serbia. A very nice city with balanced weather. Amazing nightlife. Emerging opportunities in tech and startups.

</comment><comment><USER144> Mill Valley (Marin County), California. Because of the Dipsea Trail. (One of the best hike/run trails on the planet.)

<comment><USER64> I have to agree with you on the Dipsea trail. However, public transit is infrequent and the commute to the city (nevermind the South Bay) looks pretty bad.

<comment><USER144> The goal would be to not have to commute everyday. But if I did, take the ferry from Larkspur to the SF Ferry Building.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER145> Unites States of America. You are closer to more opportunities as a software dev than any where else in the world.

</comment><comment><USER146> Istanbul, Turkey.

Warm climate, fantastic food and friendly people. Modern city with developed infrastructure. I lived there between 2011 and 2013 and enjoyed every bit of it. Upon leaving, I knew that I would go back to live there again because I loved it so much. However recent events and overall political direction Turkey is taking is killing that wish within me. I really hope things get better in Turkey.

<comment><USER147> How did you handle the stress of traffic jam?

<comment><USER146> After one year, moved to a closer place to work (in a walking distance). Most companies in Istanbul have shuttle services, so even when I had to commute it was not that bad.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER148> Mumbai, India.

<comment><USER149> Totally. Except its crowded. And expensive with the >10 year debt to buy an apartment. And the insane traffic on undrivable roads and the daily squeeze in the local trains. Hardly any tech scene here although tons of mediocre IT work. And yeah the corruption you face to to even set up a LLC is mindnumbing. Apart from these, its just great.

Great weather. Super supportive people. If you have the drive, you can get it done here. Relatively safer than other parts of India.

</comment></comment><comment><USER150> Miami - only sub-tropical in the US. Not sure why tech and VC scene have been absent.

</comment><comment><USER151> Madrid or Barcelona, Spain

<comment><USER152> BCN would be my answer.

Lived there for 6 weeks this summer. Hard to say how it will look in 10 years, but it's an amazing place.

<comment><USER153> How do you think Barcelona might change?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER94> Moscow, NYC, Madrid - the most convenient places for traveling

</comment><comment><USER154> Stay in the same place for 10 years? Sounds like jail.

</comment><comment><USER155> Dubai: because it is the nearest most happening place (in terms of innovation) where I currently live. Although, it is very expensive to live especially if you're self-employed.

<comment><USER156> AFAIK dubai has sales teams from different companies situated there but no real innovation. Could you please elaborate?

<comment><USER155> Dubai is doing a lot in the areas of digital technology, healthcare, solar energy etc. There is a vibrant startup culture and entrepreneurs from other countries are setting up shop in Dubai via the free zones.

Some resources on this:

[http://www.dic.ae/](http://www.dic.ae/) [https://angel.co/dubai](https://angel.co/dubai) [http://www.forbes.com/sites/suparnadutt/2016/08/22/is- dubai-...](http://www.forbes.com/sites/suparnadutt/2016/08/22/is-dubai-the- next-big-tech-startup-hub/#aece33e3c33c) [http://www.forbes.com/sites/elizabethmacbride/2016/12/29/dub...](http://www.forbes.com/sites/elizabethmacbride/2016/12/29/dubai- has-300-million-to-entice-the-best-startups-to-worlds-fastest-rising- city/#f3d127035d9f)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER157> Hainan, China. Better air quality and weather.

</comment><comment><USER158> Wyoming. Only problem would be air quality.

</comment><comment><USER159> Bali

</comment><comment> tempo-lempo Bern

</comment><comment><USER160> Nice

</comment><comment><USER161> Barcelona, best beaches with a fantastic city as a backdrop. One of the best City's in the world. Great food, great nightlife, amazing vibe in general.

<comment><USER162> The pay is shit, though, if you don't bring a remote job with you. For comparison, prepare for sth like 40k EUR vs SV's $200+k.

<comment><USER163> Well, where the cost of living is cheap, the salaries will follow as well (or the other way around). Unless you work with a company in Barcelona and live somewhere else, you're not gonna be poor (money-wise) as a developer there.

<comment><USER162> The point is that corporations practice geo-arbitrage all the time, and you'd have to be a fool not to do it as well. Those $200k salaries are probably not going to last forever, and it makes sense to maximize your earnings while you can. For that reason, I wouldn't settle for a 40k EUR salary (especially in a state where 50% of that will go toward failed social policies).

<comment><USER164> In case one is more location- than salary- driven, i.e. wants to live in a non-ugly European city with decent infrastructure and human living costs (not where fast-food pizza costs EUR 20) the salary EUR 40k (gross, annual) would be considered a really good deal. Some remote companies let the employee to choose the location but in this case they adjust the salary to local market... and yeah the fact of very high social contributions in some EU countries on failed social policies and with indistinct perspective of getting something out of it in the future is really soul-sucking.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER165> Santa Monica, California. Beautiful warm weather, next to the beach, big city (LA) - everything that I love.

<comment><USER166> Multi-hour commutes, though :(

<comment><USER167> Don't live hours away from your job.

<comment><USER166> And your school, and your supermarket, and the good restaurants, and everything. I don't think many people who live in LA would argue that you have to drive for hours to get anywhere in the city.

<comment><USER168> I lived in west LA and I managed to find a place walking distance from restaurants and a supermarket, and one short bus ride to Malibu/Venice. It is doable.</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>


Snapchat Pics Are Not Deleted, Bang With Friends Is Public - <AUTHOR> http://blog.mypermissions.com/snapchat-pics-are-not-deleted-bang-with-friends-is-public-if-its-on-the-internet-it-isnt-private/

<comment><USER2> I'm a bit amused by this Snapchat debacle. As the author of a competing app (released slightly after Snapchat), I realized very early on in the design that saving the image to local storage would be a bad idea. With Privy, the downloaded image is only ever kept in RAM.

That said, I don't really get the media frenzy over the thought that recipients may be able to retrieve the image. Of course they can, they could just snap a pic of it with their digital camera. The point of apps like Snapchat and Privy was never that you can send images to people you don't trust. It's that you don't have to worry about the recipients accidentally leaving your images laying around. The fact of the matter is that there will never be a way to deliver confidential data to people you can't trust.

[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appidio.pr...](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appidio.privy) [This would be a shameless plug if I had not long ago conceded that Snapchat has won.]

<comment><USER3> >The fact of the matter is that there will never be a way to deliver confidential data to people you can't trust.

See DRM.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Time to checkout of both apps!</comment>


VC looking to learn about entrepreneurial media consumption. Want to help? - <AUTHOR> Hi,
I am a junior team member at a VC in NYC, and we are looking to learn more about entrepreneurial reading habits so that we can best reach and find prospective investments. If you'd like to help us out, please fill out the survey below- and if you're interested in sharing your startup with us, there is a space at the end of the form where you can leave us that information. We focus primarily on early-stage (seed, pre-seed, series A) investments, but we're open to learning about all kinds of companies. Thanks!
Form: https://goo.gl/forms/jPAOgv0YmlGxoQX42 <comment><USER2> How would reading help you find prospective investments? Do you not mean reading books?</comment>


Show HN: Web app for DNA sequence manipulation and PCR Primer design - <AUTHOR> http://genewarrior.com <comment><USER2> This is really cool! In my experience, few scientific tools are designed with modern interfaces. Most are a webpage with many, many inputs and textareas and some expectation of the user to understand or trust the defaults (looking at you BLAST [1]). I haven't designed a primer in quite a while, but doing a cursory Google search for "primer design" confirms that things haven't changed much.

I know that writing and maintaining user authentication code can be quite a slog, but have you though of making a private/paid version of this? I can see a few times where something like this could be useful. Ex: assembling a number of sequences, annotating them, and having all that metadata inline to share with colleagues? Maybe having some kind of Jupyter Notebook inoperability would be enough?

[1]: [https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Blast.cgi](https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Blast.cgi)

<comment><USER3> About ten years ago I started down this path myself, it just seemed overwhelming though to recreate all the functionality of the desktop systems like Vector NTI on the web. With today's tools it is likely much better. It does seem as you're alluding to though that a Jupyter like format would work really well. I wonder what the state of the art is today at least on desktop.

<comment><USER4> Unfortunately, software has not much advanced beyond where it was ten years ago. There have been a lot of attempts, but the fact is that it's very difficult to see returns on mass-market scientific software - the market is relatively small compared to the likes of Snapchat. The software tooling certainly makes it easier to make the scientific tools - but you still have to earn enough to support a company (and compete against 'decent' freeware). Desktop software - outside of very custom huge pharma-style companies, or free-ware academic python libraries is a non-starter - as no one will download it.

The nicest Desktop software I know of is SnapGene: [http://www.snapgene.com/](http://www.snapgene.com/) which has to compete against the ancient (and pretty good) freeware, APE: [http://biologylabs.utah.edu/jorgensen/wayned/ape/](http://biologylabs.utah.edu/jorgensen/wayned/ape/)

On the web there is YC's own Benchling: [https://benchling.com/](https://benchling.com/)

Twist (Startup DNA synthesizer) just bought Genome Compiler: [http://www.genomecompiler.com/](http://www.genomecompiler.com/)

Teselagen for those hardcore genetic engineers: [https://www.teselagen.com/](https://www.teselagen.com/)

Our own Pinecone: [https://serotiny.bio/](https://serotiny.bio/) (styled to be a 'simple' abstraction above the DNA to produce functional proteins while bypassing cloning)

And Desktop Genetics (for CRISPR design): [https://www.deskgen.com/](https://www.deskgen.com/)

The older players (VectorNTI, and-the-rest-I-can't-rememeber) are never updated and likely yet exist to service contracts from huge institutional customers.

It's a relatively small (and dispersed) community of users right now. We need a place that scientists actually go to to show off all of our nice shiny new toys. Each comes with their own style and with their own strengths - it'd be fun to showcase them all together.

<comment><USER4> Just because it's funny - direclty from Vector NTI's FAQ on their webpage, today, in April 2017:

1\. When is Vector NTI Advance™ 11.5 available? Version 11.5 was launched on October 15, 2010.

2\. Is Vector NTI Advance® 11.5 compatible with Microsoft® Windows 7? Yes. Version 11.5 is compatible with Windows 7 on 32-Bit Systems - 64-Bit compatibility is currently in development.

3\. Is Vector NTI Advance® 11.5 compatible with Mac OS? Yes, this requires Mac OS® X running Windows® under Parallels Desktop® 5 or Boot Camp.

[https://www.thermofisher.com/us/en/home/life- science/cloning...](https://www.thermofisher.com/us/en/home/life- science/cloning/vector-nti-software/vector-nti-advance-software/vector-nti- frequently-asked-questions.html)

<comment><USER2> That's absurd! Still the same version I was using when I was in grad school. I've heard that Benchling is a decent alternative. Although few, if any, companies have the marketing and sales resources as Thermo.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> Nice work. Getting all of these tools in one place, in an easy to use way is not always easy. I'm well aware of what goes on behind the scenes to make something like your alignment there as straightforward to use. The tricky part is what next :)

I'm curious what your plans are - interoperability, private infrastructure, plugins/extensibility for others or just simply nice tools for people to use.

I'd also be curious how you intend to approach the differences and distinctions between protein and DNA sequences. It doesn't look like you currently have much to do with an amino acid sequence. At Serotiny we've chosen to focus on the amino acid sequences for manipulation and leave the DNA in the background. It feels like it's often a trade-off - either/or. It's a challenge to get both into the same working environment without overwhelming the user.

I'd be curious your thoughts on what we've built: [https://serotiny.bio](https://serotiny.bio)

btw - it's nice to see some ShowHNs show up for biological software.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks for the encouraging words! I don't have any future plans yet, depends on the feedback I get and if there's enough interest for further features.

I think you're touching a valid point, but it goes even further. There are many different use cases for a bio-software; a bench-worker has different requirements than a geneticist, microbiologists vs cell biologists etc, WGS and RNA-seq need an even more different toolset. It's impossible for a single software to cover all possible aspects of biology. The only thing you can do is focus on one group of users and try to fullfill their requirements.

<comment><USER4> yep :)

Unfortunately, the dearth of tools means everyone (coming from as many directions) feels like they must rebuild every tool - so there is a bit of a convergence right now - which spreads every tool thin. But the market for 'RNA-seq tools' is but a fraction of 'biochemical scientists', which itself is still a 'tiny' market to produce high-tech software for.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Cool! I built something similar to the find tool for a friend. However, it's for RNA and specifically for looking for a region that could base pair as part of an RNA secondary structure interaction. It allows you to search for all possible locations that could pair given a certain number of mismatches.

It can also correlate against MFOLD predicted RNA secondary structures to eliminate possibilities that are not in single stranded regions.

Tool: [http://everttimberg.io/app/rna/](http://everttimberg.io/app/rna/)

<comment><AUTHOR> Nice tool! I also was planning to integrate Mfold into the toolset. However I put it on hold due to lack of time.

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> Thanks, better tools are a godsend. Back in school I spent too much time using PrimerX ([http://www.bioinformatics.org/primerx/](http://www.bioinformatics.org/primerx/)).

</comment><comment><USER7> I can't wait to use this to create phylogenetic trees when I need some. Thanks for posting!

<comment><AUTHOR> Be aware that this is a quick-and-dirty way to get a tree. It's based on the MUSCLE guide tree to get a quick glimpse. It doesn't replace a real phylogenetic tree algorithm such as RAxML.</comment></comment>