The rise of Dogecoin, the internet's hottest cryptocurrency - <AUTHOR> http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/the-rise-and-rise-of-dogecoin-the-internets-hottest-cryptocurrency-20140124-31d24.html <comment><USER2> The rise of dogecoin interests me because I think it demonstrates a problem with cryptocurrencies - mining becomes too prohibitive for the end user to do before the currency becomes mainstream.

Early on, the opportunity of bitcoin was huge. You mine a little, the value of your coins just keeps on rising. Now you can't mine any meaningful level of currency yourself, so the entry level has raised dramatically.

So why not move onto a different currency? Get in early. Get a stack of currency. Then that'll become too difficult to mine and newcomers will move onto the next. And the next.

<comment><USER3> A cynic like me thinks that's part of the point of bitcoin. Make it easy at the start to encourage adopters ("mine now and you'll have a big piece of the pie"), and later adopters will pay you back when it gets popular.

<comment><USER4> MLM 101. The top of the pyramid make the big money, everyone else gets played.

<comment><USER5> Then every successful startup out there is an MLM scheme.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> The reason why I think it's hot: because the cost-of-stake to purchase it is orders of magnitude cheaper than ltc or btc.

I worked out that if 1 million coins were allocated to all 3 chain for their total coin target, $1000 would buy about 0.06 bitcoins, 0.59 litecoins and 5.55 doge. Or 1 million divided into each chains' coins already in existence: 0.10 vs 1.97 vs 15.83 respectively.

So with doge, you get more bang for your buck, a larger slice of the pie for each $ spent. And a huge sub-reddit to launch into, and a clean piece of cyberspace to work with.

That's pretty compelling to me just on its own. And the coin I feel is sovereign to bitcoin. Also, when you see kids drawing pictures of shibes, and women stripping naked for them (there's a subreddit for it,) you know you're onto something unique.

The larger population need and want cryptos to work. Doge answers that need better than anything else right now. That's very important and should not be overlooked.

<comment><USER7> Errr... you just said that $1000 buys you .10, 1.97 and 15.83 (those numbers don't even make sense anyhow), which means that .10 bitcoins equals 15.83 dogecoins in value.

So what difference does that make... I can still spend 0.0001 bitcoins or 0.01583 dogecoins which would each equal a $1 in value. There's no difference in "cost-of-stake" at all.

Why do people have such trouble understanding fractions?

<comment><USER6> 3 cakes with a million slices each. $1000 buys you 0.1 of a bitcoin slice, 1.97 litecoin slices and 15.83 doge slices.

(that's according to a cake composed of the current # of coins in existence for each cake, not the target amount)

So each piece of your cake costs $1000, but each piece takes out a different proportion from the whole cake (ie a certain number of slices per piece.)

The thing to think about is that buying coins, building an app and launching into a reddit, would likely be better than buying a mining rig to mine. Even a single app will inspire other developers to do the same and both will increase the value of one's coins (ie the size of your piece grows, as does the cake.) It's like IPO'ing your app on release, it's your coin value that goes up. And that's hot.

The cake value is determined by the richness of apps that are its ingredients - and the number of people that are circling it wanting a slice. At the moment, doge has few apps but many people circling it wanting the cake to grow. If you build an app that's any good, you've got immediate traction, and if you hold doge, that value will grow too.

(just my theory anyway)

<comment><USER7> But each slice of pie is infinitely divisible, or nearly so, so it makes no difference.

At the end of the day, the currency will hold some amount of economic value. For bitcoin at the moment, it's about $10 Billion USD. The total gross world product (GWP) is currently the equivalent of about $70 Trillion USD. So lets imagine a single crypto currency holding the entire GWP.

For bitcoin, that's $70 Trillion / 21 Million bitcoins = $3,333,333 per bitcoin. For dogecoin that's $70 Trillion / 100,000,000,000 dogecoin = $700 per dogecoin.

Both Bitcoin and Dogecoin are divisible to at least 8 decimal places (and the algorithms can change to permit greater divisibility), so your unit of currency is basically arbitrary. You can still spend $1 worth of a $3,333,333 bitcoin just as you can with dogecoin.

Dogecoin is just shifiting the decimal places around. It doesn't give you any different stake versus Bitcoin.

<comment><USER6> Ahh yes, I see your point, it comes down to what cake you think will grow faster in terms of what you will buy into.

But working out what you will build into, there are different things to think about, such as potential users and their desires, and what exists currently to meet those desires. Steve Jobs was about building things people didn't know they even wanted, and that'd be something to think about with a doge app. Even messaging.. all these tips going through, they are all potential relationships and followups. How can you track who you've sent to? How easy is it for reddit users to interact with each other outside of reddit?

Can a social network be built around tipping? Maybe a user might want to bookmark someone for a tip, rather than doing it instantly, or do it off public record. So basically attaching a username to a set of addresses, which can be generated on demand. Collecting feedback and ratings between users. It should be semi-anonymous.

<comment><USER7> > Ahh yes, I see your point, it comes down to what cake you think will grow > faster in terms of what you will buy into.

Yup, I agree with you there. The problem is that there's nothing inherently different about Dogecoin that ensures a faster growth rate than Bitcoin. Bitcoin also has a subreddit, and I would argue a more mature community, even though it may not be the new hotness.

What is different about Dogecoin, it's faster block confirmation, it's faster difficulty retargeting, and it's larger reward payout, actually make it inherently less secure than Bitcoin (Litecoin shares these traits, to a lesser degree). The reason it's seeing faster growth compared to Bitcoin at the moment is that mining is still somewhat reasonable with regular hardware, but this will change fairly soon and slow it's growth rate as miners jump on the next currency that offers faster payouts.

So why not build your social network for tipping around Bitcoin? Personally I'd prefer a Bitcoin tip of 0.002 rather than 1000 Dogecoin.

<comment><USER6> A few good apps would cement the doge position. Its reddit growth is massive. I have ideas for a social network in fact, with screenshots. But I shelved them, but I have thought it through. Soundcloud tipping is something I personally would like to see (I think it has massive potential,) some way to see what artists have attracted the most tips, an easy way for artists to leave their tipping address which is not a blockchain address, or a link from each track that uses the referral to work out what track is being tipped (which the tipper confirms as correct) and generating an address on-the-fly.

[same with youtube, that is also a huge area of tipping. Who wouldn't leave a single url in all their tracks and videos if they receive tips from it, especially if the giver is recorded and the initiating media identified?]

Point-of-sale is also underdeveloped.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Doge in particular has no property apart from the name and the hype around the meme.

There are more than 200 alt coins [1] and the vast majority of these don't contribute anything new to the field of crypto currencies but many succeed to win followers just because people keep calling the process that should be called "policing with a small compensation" "mining for profit". Read Satoshi's whitepaper[2]. Mining is meant to not be profitable for the masses and yet it is profitable in so many cases. Why is this? Because people are confused about the value of the minable goods. Mining is always connected with an up-front investment and the bigger the industry the more professional you have to be to do it profitably. Therefore loosers/scammers/lunatics/pump-and- dumpers (sorry) gravitate towards unprofessional coins where there is no professionalism celebrating the next big thing since bitcoin and once their coin of choice turns more mature they abandon ship as the very property they seek – easy minability – got lost.

Disclaimer: I own bitcoins and was sent 100 reddit-dogetipbot-dogecoins.

[1] [https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134179.msg4701768](https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134179.msg4701768) [2] [http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf](http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf)

<comment><USER9> >Doge in particular has no property apart from the name and the hype around the meme.

I think you're neglecting the value of the community. Dogecoin is, from a technical standpoint, just Bitcoin with some cosmetic changes, but the users make it much easier to get help and get involved. They're also more willing to give people dogecoin tips, which encourages spread.

<comment><USER10> My impression is that it's more similar to Litecoin in a technical sense since it is based on scrypt rather than sha256.

<comment><USER11> It _is_ Litecoin with the font changed to Comic Sans.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> Probably this week's best internet cryptocurrency.

<comment><USER13> Whether you think Doge is funny-money or not (I think it is), the thing I like about it is that it's changing hands (even if it's just for tipping people for making funny comments) and not really being hoarded for value.

At least not yet. Hopefully not ever.

<comment><USER14> From the article:

> This week, transactions worth a total of $US14 million were made, including > one Chinese investor who bought $US5 million worth of the virtual currency

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> Despite DOGE mining difficulty shooting up this week it's still one of the most profitable coins to mine thanks to its spike in value. I've been making $60+ per day mining it. Now if I only had 10x as much hardware...

<comment><USER16> Are these realized gains? If so, how do you turn it into dollars? Do you go via BTC, or is there some direct exchange to US dollars now?

It's very funny to me how dogecoin has taken off. :-) I got tipped on reddit and now I'm hooked.

I think the seamless nature of tipping on reddit (all you have to do is reply to a comment with +/u/dogecoinbot n and it will send coins) has really spurred its use.

Btw, now that I have a dogecoin wallet (DRVMiXCneJhFVBy4r4T2zpw9j5f4Tp1KzH), anyone want to send me some...? :-D

<comment><USER17> +/u/dogetipbot 10 doge

there you go.

edited to add (and bring back on topic): this might look spammy, and in fact it is -- some subreddits don't like all the tipping noise at all, but on /r/dogecoin it's the big thing that differentiates it from the other altcoins.

<comment><USER18> There was bitcointip way before dogecoin was even a thing.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER19> I'm thinking this will be the first viable micropayments platform which is very exciting.

It seems like that would open up a ton of new opportunities but for the life of me, I can't think of any good uses for micropayments (beyond paying for content). Any ideas, HN?

<comment><USER20> I'm not sure that there are any opportunities for micropayments. It seems like a solution looking for a problem.

<comment><USER21> Spam elimination. It's true that mail clients and servers are pretty good at removing spam from our mailboxes these days, but there's still all the busywork that they're doing to send and receive stuff that ultimately never gets seen. A micropayment messaging service could greatly reduce the amount of spam that is actually sent, while allowing through messages that the sender is willing to pay servers to process.

Doing this via a global blockchain might not be viable, of course.

<comment><USER19> The thing that bothers me is that US mail already costs 50 cents and I still get a ton of spam. 90%? So I'm wondering how viable it really is.

<comment><USER21> Because it's physical, I think you give it more weight (so to speak). I doubt you average more than five or ten pieces of physical junk mail per day, but it's not uncommon to receive hundreds of spam messages a day, or more, most of which is blocked at the server level, and most of the rest of which is blocked by your client filters. I've had my email address for about 15 years, and there are thousands of attempts per day to send to it that my email server blocks, and then when gmail picks up my mail it cuts out promotional and social stuff, as well as whatever it think is spam, and I end up seeing 5-10 messages a day total (including mail I want to see; email is not a major channel for me outside of work any more...).

Further, that physical spam is really, really well targeted compared to email spam. You may not care about most of it, but at least it has something to do with your real life (mostly coupons and advertisements for local businesses, if yours is like mine).

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER22> Our PM is really into crypto-currencies and when we talk about dogecoins it always makes me smile and feel better. I don't own any dogecoin yet but they surely make me healthier and more productive!

</comment><comment><USER23> It would be pretty funny if dogecoin became a serious currency that one might use to buy property with for example, but is there any reason it has less chance than bitcoin?

<comment><USER24> > but is there any reason it has less chance than bitcoin?

I suspect serious (TM) business people would less like to associate with a currency based on an internet meme. At least, until its origins are inevitably buried from the public consciousness.

I guess it remains to be seen which happens first: there is sufficient infrastructure to deal in realty with cryptocurrencies, or we've forgotten that its foundation is people captioning dog pictures.

<comment><USER25> MtGox started as a Magic the gathering card exchange. While it's caused some snark, it didn't seem to get in the way of MtGox being the premiere BTC exchange for a while.

<comment><USER26> That's hardly a 1-to-1 comparison. For starters there are a number of large, legitimate businesses that make their money selling MtG cards on the secondary market. Secondly, didn't the folks at mtgox just use the domain name because they already owned it? AFAIK, the mtgox exchange bitcoin didn't grow out of the mtg exchange, it just happened to share a domain name.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER27> What's the easiest way to buy Dogecoin with USD or BTC? An exchange that doesn't require a drivers license and wait period?

<comment><USER28> What worked for me was Paypal USD on Reddit's /r/dogemarket - there are quite a few sellers there, and they're verified good sellers. Took about 10 minutes between posting on thread and getting coins. BTC would take a bit longer just due to verification times.

<comment><USER29> Be careful with that - increasingly, even verified accounts can't be trusted as they sell their accounts/get their accounts hacked.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER30> Will HN ever integrate Doge tips?

<comment><USER31> I want a HN without voting, but only tipping.

<comment> aaron-lebo I was actually playing around with this idea. You think it would get used?

I'm also slightly torn on whether each upvote should just be equivalent to like $.01 in doge or let people tip whatever they want.

I have a good idea of how to make it happen just not sure it is worth spending time on.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER32> I think the sense of community that's there is the main reason for Dogecoin's popularity.

In the Bitcoin community, scams are rampant and those that are scammed never get their money back. In the Dogecoin community, there is exactly the opposite. I ran a website called EasyDoge ([http://easydoge.com](http://easydoge.com)) that was designed as an online wallet service.

Unfortunately, it was hacked and quite a bit of money was stolen. I compensated everyone out of my own pocket for the losses. This isn't a rare occurrence: the victims of two major hacks are being compensated by the SaveDogemas effort.

<comment><USER33> You seem like an honest and caring person, but your post does nor increase my confidence in dogecoin-- it is being propped up by generous donors?

</comment></comment><comment><USER34> So we need more than one distributed virtual currency? What property does this one have that is interesting beyond that?

</comment><comment><USER35> Dogecoin can't be a real thing one day?

Those people probably said the same thing about a website called Mt. Gox: Magic The Gathering Online which went on to be the leader in BitCoin exchange.

</comment><comment><USER36> no dogecoin celebration shall be complete without looking at the scary graphs

[http://coinmarketcap.com/mineable.html](http://coinmarketcap.com/mineable.html)

(I personally think it's a bubble but hey, it's growing while others falter)

</comment><comment><USER37> Quite honestly, shameless self-promotion of this is getting really tiresome.

</comment><comment><USER38> Is this seriously happening...</comment>


European Space Agency Approves Plan to Colonize the Moon - <AUTHOR> http://americanintelligencereport.com/european-space-agency-approves-plan-to-colonize-the-moon <comment><USER2> It is always interesting that interest in the Moon waxes and wanes with the ability of other players to get there. Its pretty clear you could militarize the Moon if you were motivated to do so, from throwing rocks on ballistic trajectories toward trouble spots on earth, to firing lasers at satellites in orbit to either overwhelm their sensors or their thermal management systems. Without an atmosphere to get in the way, shooting steerable MW laser from the Moon into Earth orbit would allow for a lot of energy delivered into orbit.

Of course people have know about that threat ever since the first Moon landings but as the US was the only nation-state with the economic might to put things on the Moon like that, well it wasn't much of a threat. New actors, a more prosperous Chinese economy, new technologies, and the suddenly it seems like it might be prudent to have a constant presence there that could address concerns locally rather than trying to do so from the bottom of Earth's gravity well.

I agree with Goldman Sachs in that this could be the leading edge of a lot of investment headed that way. I am certain that is a Chinese Taikonaut walks on the Moon and returns its going to be a full on press to get set up there before it can become a threat. Keeps me very bullish on SpaceX and Blue Origin, less so on ULA unless they can get their managerial act together.</comment>


Ask HN: Which personal dashboard solution do you use? - <AUTHOR> I'm looking to organize all of my life's information into a single dashboard - things like financial, health, goals and progress information. For example, I want to be able to pull up the dashboard and see things like: My IRA info, bank balance, Apple Health data, analytics data for certain web properties I care about, stock information, perhaps a few posts from HN or certain Reddit subs I follow.  Basically, all the things I might check on any given day, in one place so I just glance at it and be done. I imagine it would need the ability to add custom types of charts, perhaps connect via API to various services etc... Does anything like this exists? <comment><USER2> Heh. Me too! I haven't found anything good yet.

I've started to spec out what I want, and have been looking at APIs (or scraping) for the various information I want to track. Some of it is fairly easy (the web/server monitoring), some of it hard (bank access).

I was sorta surprised I couldn't find an established solution, honestly.

<comment><AUTHOR> Possibly too complex of a tool with not enough demand for it? It probably takes a certain type of individual (like us) to care about this sort of thing or to even think about it. Personally, I hate wasting time looking at 20 different things every time I want to get a complete picture of something. Imagine you had a dashboard where you could not only connect services, but add your own charts, documents, info, stickies, whatever.

Now that I think about it, I wonder how much could just be done with Zapier, google docs and some other services out there. Time to research!

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> One idea would be to use something like Grafana or Superset, but you'd still need an ETL pipeline behind everything.

</comment><comment><USER4> Isn't that called "a smartphone"?

<comment><AUTHOR> You still have to check everything manually one by one. Imagine if you wanted to check 15 things, that could take a while whereas a dashboard would show you all the info you wanted to know in 1 place.

<comment><USER5> Thats an OS system specific problem. I use blackberry for this very reason, everything in one place</comment></comment></comment>


Evolution selects for 'loners' in slime molds - <AUTHOR> https://phys.org/news/2020-03-evolution-loners-behaviorat-slime-molds.html <comment><USER2> I bet this is different for _Dictyostelium purpureum_ (a slime mold with kin recognition), because loners that join the stalk would improve the survival of their genes. Whereas this species, _Dictyostelium discoideum_ , will form stalks with unrelated strangers, and thus always faces genetic pressure creating loners and cheaters who don't sacrifice themselves to join the stalk. It just turns out that mutating to not join the stalk mutates something else (they don't know what) that hurts your reproduction more. Source: [https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/us-and-them- am...](https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/us-and-them-among-the- slime-molds) (Carl Zimmer, 2006)

</comment><comment><USER3> Please please _please_ don't try to transpose behavioural models from slime molds (or any other species, really) to humans.

<comment><USER4> Why not? The thesis is that non-conformance is a viable evolutionary strategy (if not usually the dominant one). It doesn't matter what particular species you are talking about. Obviously there are degrees of non-conformamce that would also be evolutionary dead ends or otherwise destructive.

<comment><USER5> I think it would be worthwhile to be more precise in your summary: Some level of non-conformance among a group engaged in highly conformant behavior is a viable evolutionary strategy for the population as a whole, but may require coordination with the population to modulate the level of non-conformance.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> This headline is definitely one for @justsaysinmice.</comment>


The Making of the Chevrolet Volt - <AUTHOR> http://devour.com/video/the-making-of-the-chevrolet-volt/

<comment><USER2> Posted yesterday: <http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1960718></comment>


Show HN: More feedback for Show HN stories - <AUTHOR> https://development.kitchen <comment><USER2> I hope HN had its top section carved out for some of the latest show HN entries. Kind of like how when you search on Google, the top entries are "sponsored links", but instead of sponsored links you would see latest show HN entries.

Sure there is a "show" menu item but who really clicks on that?

Which means most of us only find out about show HN projects ONLY IF they come up to the front page, or if we're constantly scanning the /newest page.

I've seen a lot of interesting projects just get buried for no reason. You could say "just keep posting until it gets traction", but anyone who's built and posted something on HN knows this is really stressful and easier said than done, because most people--no matter how much they believe in their own project--don't want to spam the site they like.

<comment><USER3> >You could say "just keep posting until it gets traction", but anyone who's built and posted something on HN knows this is really stressful and easier said than done, because most people--no matter how much they believe in their own project--don't want to spam the site they like.

Wait, you _won 't_ get in trouble for sending duplicates? I was always under the impressions that mods were pretty strict about one-and-done. Goes to show me I guess.

Edit: Huh. Went back and read the rules, there seems to be nothing against it... It seems like what I thought was "one-and-done" was more "as a guideline, to be well-received, don't submit the same thing often"

<comment><USER4> I read before (but a mod could confirm) that the automatic rules to prevent duplicate posts are purposefully loosely set. There is some rule to not post the exact same link, but a small, meaningless variation at the URL is allowed as a trick to posting duplicates.

It is a practical way to give second chances without giving too much room for spamming. The fact that you didn't even know it was allowed seems to prove that it works.

What is not ok is to delete your own former posts to pretend you are posting for the first time.

With this perception in mind, my own personal rule is if my first post does not get too much traction, I post a second time, 10~12 hours later (to get a different audience). Usually, I stop, sometimes when I am too optimistic I post a third time a couple of days later. And then I give up and stop posting.

You can clearly see this pattern in my submission history.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Why are there some entries with what appears to be a poll with garbage answers? Seems like they're taking up a lot of space and I don't understand the point of them.

[https://imgur.com/a/FftPd](https://imgur.com/a/FftPd)

<comment><AUTHOR> The questionaires were meant to be a mechanism to allow creators to get additional feedback. They can be posted by the original HN story author and we verify that they are the original author by asking that they post a link to the questionaire as a comment on the HN story. These were the ones posted by those posters - we have work to do here to allow editing and also flagging.

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> Yea, I posted something I've been working about a week ago and it got all of 2 points and no comments. I figure I'll wait a few more days and try again. I reckon that's a long enough wait to not constitute 'spam'.

I think it's just blind luck, mostly.

<comment><USER7> There's also the timing - beware of timezones, but yeah

<comment><USER6> I keep forgetting - I'm on the east coast and have a tendency to post things before the west coast is out of bed.

I've also wondered if posting on an otherwise slow day (Sunday?) would be a good idea (less competition) or a bad idea (fewer eyeballs).

<comment><USER8> You might be interested in this article that researches content on HackerNews to answer your question:

[https://medium.com/msing051/what-is-the-best-time-to-post- to...](https://medium.com/msing051/what-is-the-best-time-to-post-to-hacker- news-829fad3eac71)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> I think "hot take mode" is hilarious and needs to be more present in your UI. Neat idea

</comment><comment><USER10> I love the idea of getting more feedback to people building things.

It will be awesome to not just provide feedback that is 'shallow', i.e. sentiment, but to make it easier to provide more constructive feedback.

Perhaps dig into the past 100K comments on Show HN's, categories them, and make it easy to put a large set of them. Leaving comments for more detailed discussions.

One challenge though is that development.kitchen is pulling content out of HN in this way. It might be handy if you had a browser extension that injected the content back into the site so that people could easily see existing feedback.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks for the feedback vineet. Digging through past comments is a good idea and the quick reactions were in a way derived by doing that - we looked at Show HN comments and tried to distill them down to just a few. As you can imagine, its not easy to capture everything. We are looking at making the selection a bit more expansive but still quick to add. A browser extension is an interesting idea - this is something that was a bit of a struggle to figure out how to make it easier to see feedback from HN. We played around with importing comments from HN and had our own comments on the site along with HN comments, but merging the two was a bit confusing since you couldn't comment on HN from within DevKitchen. We're still trying to improve how this works.

</comment></comment><comment> aithoughts-io This is helpful. Though I don't know if lack of feedback is due to too many Show HN posts or people skip through them. Isolating them is a great idea. The challenge for your project is how do you get folks to get to your site. Which is the same problem of Show HN posts :)

</comment><comment><USER11> I really enjoy commenting on Show HN posts here but I can hardly think of a time where I would have responded with something as simple as an up or down arrow with one of these short responses.

Since this is mostly a UI improvement attempt, I guess you're basically just competing with [https://news.ycombinator.com/show](https://news.ycombinator.com/show)?

My biggest issue with this approach is it seems like a "poll" of arrows isn't really going to give enough useful feedback to be meaningful. If I've taken the time to _actually_ review a Show HN, I'm not going to skimp out on the feedback phase by using a 1-click option. I'll probably have 3-5 paragraphs to write out.

Psychologically, it seems a bit rude to leave just a down arrow on someone's best effort project without explaining it. An up arrow alone seems fine. Of course, HN already has these built in.

If you want quick-hit feedback, can you also include a textbox for typing a quick note in addition to the short reasons already there?

A popup bar alerting about cookie usage is extremely off-putting to me and was almost enough to get me to just close out of the site before doing a review. If there is anything you can do to stop using so many cookies that you need to warn users of them....

The entire list isn't that long, can you get a deeper backlog? The /show page lists them chronologically which seems pretty nice to me since then a DevelopmentKitchen user can always pick up where they left off. You're currently sorting them some other way and it doesn't quite make sense? If I'm going to use JUST this site to monitor Show HNs, I'll want to know which ones I've seen and which I haven't.

Good luck!

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks,

I can understand the feeling about the depth of feedback here. And I agree when I have felt compelled enough to give feedback on an idea, usually it had a bit more depth than a reaction allows. As a creator, I also agree getting feedback as prose would be better. But this comes from having been on the other side and having posted a few things we've worked on to Show HN and to Product Hunt, and a few other sites and having gotten no feedback. I do understand that no reaction is a reaction in itself but you are left in a place of having no idea why it isn't working. So this is genuinely an experiment to see if making it easier to react will lead to at least some feedback, light in depth as it might be.

And we'll continue to experiment to see if we can improve the depth while still making it easy. A quick-hit feedback text box is a good idea. We'll play around with that.

The cookie usage notices is a requirement for companies based in the EU - doing analytics as we are does require tracking at some level, we can probably do better.

We just reset the HN import from the API today for launch - it should grow longer over time. We'll look at going backwards though that isn't supported by the official API afaik. You're right we do need to improve how we sort them so it matches HN more closely - right now it sorts by day, and the top stories in that day.

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> Like it, wish I could re-submit some new libraries that got nothing.

It's probably my fault for posting them late in the day.

It was frustrating to see my library slide down the "new" page while a bunch of posts from news sites filled the top.

</comment><comment><USER13> The problem that I see here is that development.kitchen needs quality traffic to provide that feedback, which sounds like the most difficult part of running this service.

</comment><comment><USER14> Thanks for making this, like yourself, I have posted my projects on Show HNs about 8 times in the past and didn't receive any feedback.

Edit: Talking about I am gonna post one now.

</comment><comment><USER15> Personally, I tend to check out the ones that go somewhere and not just link to their github repo.

Sometimes comment, sometimes don't, depends...

</comment><comment><USER16> isn't that what producthunt does as well?

<comment><USER17> I think producthunt is for actual product releases. Show HN has a much wider range.</comment></comment>


List of wikileaks mirrors deleted on Wikipedia - <AUTHOR> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WikiLeaks_mirrors

<comment><USER2> More interesting is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_WikiLeaks_mirrors) , which explains why the page was deleted. A number of votes for deletion on that page either implicitly mention or explicitly link to <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:LINKFARM> , complaining that the list was not a real article, but just a bunch of links of mirrors of the same site.

It is also worth noting that the list of mirrors at <http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html> is still linked from the main WikiLeaks wikipedia article.

</comment><comment><USER3> I fully agree with this, wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a resource for listings of mirror sites of any kind.

I understand the sentiment but this starts to smack of 'if you're not with us you're against us' and that is exactly the wrong attitude to take.

A single link to an external list on the wikikeaks main page is more than enough, and that could be to a list that is dynamic rather than one that needs constant updates to keep it current.

</comment><comment><USER4> I don't think is really an issue to be honest, whatever your viewpoints are on Wikileaks or Governments around the world, I don't think Wikipedia is really 'censoring' anything.

Using it as a repository for links (that's regularly updated) isn't what Wikipedia is designed for</comment>


IBM creates a research group to test Numenta, a brain-like AI software - <AUTHOR> http://www.technologyreview.com/news/536326/ibm-tests-mobile-computing-pioneers-controversial-brain-algorithms/ <comment><USER2> My impression is that this headline was made to sound like Numenta is a step on the way to the singularity, when it fact it's one of many companies working on machine learning techniques, the key difference being the founders have good resumes.

Biologically inspired engineering is a great thing, but to say something is a model of the neocortex in a meaningful way is a claim no one deserves to make in 2015.

I see a lot of patents for HTM, but have there been any peer reviewed publications from Numenta?

Jeff Hawkins himself states "HTM does not present any new idea or theory, but combines existing ideas to mimic the neocortex with a simple design that provides a large range of capabilities". Ok got it. Nothing wrong with competing on implementation and engineering.

So regarding that implementation, how are they doing against competitors in their space?

</comment><comment><USER3> Interesting timing for me, I just stumbled across Clortex[0] which is an implementation of Hawkins' HTM in Clojure today after watching How To Make a Brain in Python[1] which may be interesting to anyone that likes this stuff.

[0] [http://fergalbyrne.github.io/](http://fergalbyrne.github.io/)

[1] [http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-to-make-a-human- brain-i...](http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-to-make-a-human-brain-in- python)

<comment><USER4> [https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex](https://github.com/nupic- community/clortex)

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> 'On intelligence' is the book that got me started on my journey in pursuit of AGI. I look forward to seeing the results from this. Video summary : [http://youtu.be/izO2_mCvFaw](http://youtu.be/izO2_mCvFaw)

</comment><comment><USER6> Numenta's based upon the hierarchical temporal memory model described in the book _On Intelligence_. It's an attempt to replicate the structure of the neocortex.

Mathematically it appears to be just another neural network. IMHO, deep learning is probably more likely to give systems approximating general intelligence.

<comment><USER7> Can deep learning algorithms learn from temporal data ? So far I have seen object recognition from a single image but not some intelligence gathering from a video.

<comment><USER8> Yes, they are called recurrent neural networks. The disadvantage is higher memory and time requirements. You need to store the state of the neural network at every time step, and then at the end iterate through the whole process in reverse.

Whereas best I understand it, HTM is online and updates the weights every time step without needing to keep a running memory of the states it's been in.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> It will be very interesting to see their findings. As far as I know Numenta's software (or HTMs in general) haven't been tested yet against known benchmarks like LSVRC, CIFAR, etc. Or results haven't been published.

</comment><comment><USER10> I thought I had heard of Numenta. I looked it up and was reminded that it is a project of Jeff Hawkins, the inventor of the PalmPilot.

</comment><comment><USER11> original article at [http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/ibm-creates-a- researc...](http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/ibm-creates-a-research- group-to-test-numenta-a-brain-like-ai-software/)

<comment><USER12> Actually that appears to be yet another wrapper around this: [http://www.technologyreview.com/news/536326/ibm-tests- mobile...](http://www.technologyreview.com/news/536326/ibm-tests-mobile- computing-pioneers-controversial-brain-algorithms/)

<comment><USER13> Thanks. Url changed to that from [http://www.futurism.co/links/view/ibm- creates-a-research-gro...](http://www.futurism.co/links/view/ibm-creates-a- research-group-to-test-numenta-a-brain-like-ai-software/).

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> Even after many years of talk about HTM, I've yet to come across one result which shows HTM outperforming other ML algorithms on any of the myriad data sets out there. Isn't it time they showed something? Anything?</comment>


Proxy dispatcher for https and ssh - <AUTHOR> http://tong.ijenko.net/2011/03/proxy-dispatcher-for-httpssl-and-ssh/ proxy dispatcher for https and ssh in few lines of perl <comment><USER2> See also sslh. (Or sshl, I forget which way round it goes.) Which claims some ssh clients are eager (sending a greeting without waiting for the ssh server greeting).

I was once unable to connect to my sshd on port 443 when I was using the free wifi in a pub. The firewall appeared to be blocking the connection: presumably it was checking whether the connection was really ssl or not.

</comment><comment><USER3> haproxy configuration :

defaults timeout connect 5s timeout client 50s timeout server 20s

listen ssl :443 tcp-request inspect-delay 2s acl is_ssl req_ssl_ver 2:3.1 tcp- request content accept if is_ssl use_backend ssh if !is_ssl server www-ssl :444 timeout client 2h

backend ssh mode tcp server ssh :22 timeout server 2h

</comment><comment><USER4> If you don't need the https, you can just use proxy connect, per [http://benctechnicalblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/ssh-over- conne...](http://benctechnicalblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/ssh-over-connect-over- port-80.html)

You can use this to get ssh from places that only let you use the regular 80/443 ports.

</comment><comment><USER5> The same in 23 lines of C (+ netcat and inetd): <http://old.homeip.net/martin/ssh-https.html>

<comment><USER6> 23 lines of C but launching one external program for each connection... Not very efficient... :-)

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> Something similar, written in C is sslh[1].

[1]: <http://www.rutschle.net/tech/sslh.shtml>

</comment><comment><USER8> PageKite can be used for similar tricks: <http://pagekite.net/wiki/Floss/TechnicalManual/#ipr> and <http://pagekite.net/wiki/Howto/SshOverPageKite/>

</comment><comment><USER9> A neat way to hide your SSH port, but not very practical (scanners will just wait a little while to see if the SSH banner gets pumped out). You want something that speaks HTTP so it'll get through transparent proxies of corporations and wifi paywalls, which would be proxytunnel combined with a server-side configuration of whatever your favorite http proxy/server is. Even if your corporate environment forces NTLMv2 proxy authentication, you can chain cntlm and proxytunnel to their proxy and still tunnel out, and nobody is the wiser. (<http://dag.wieers.com/howto/ssh-http-tunneling/>)</comment>