NetBSD Kernel Drivers Compiled to Javascript and Run in Browser - <AUTHOR> http://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/kernel_drivers_compiled_to_javascript

<comment><USER2> this is extemely cool :) I didn't know about emscripten, I just found many nice projects on that link so here it is again: <https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki></comment>


Ask HN: Best Book to Learn Haskell And/or Functional Programming Paradigms? - haskell-user What modern (as of Feb 2017) book do you recommend for learning Haskell and/or Functional Programming Paradigms?
I was interested in 'Real World Haskell' (http://book.realworldhaskell.org/) but it's from 2008 and I hear some breaking changes have been added to the language since.
Also if it matters, my preference are for technical books similar to 'The Practice of Programming'. <comment><AUTHOR> Take a look at this link from Chris Allen (aka bitemyapp): [https://github.com/bitemyapp/learnhaskell](https://github.com/bitemyapp/learnhaskell)

The current best resource for beginning with Haskell seems to be haskell-book (listed on the Github link above): [http://haskellbook.com/](http://haskellbook.com/). Chris Allen also authored this book with Julie Moronuki.

If you're looking to diversify your interests to broader CS/FP topics, you may find this link helpful: [http://reinh.com/notes/posts/2014-07-25-recommended- reading-...](http://reinh.com/notes/posts/2014-07-25-recommended-reading- material.html)

Other references from around here: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9807066](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9807066)

<comment> haskell-user That's amazing, Thank you!

Another book I'm considering is 'Purely Functional Data Structures' by Chris Okasaki</comment></comment>


Ask HN: Do you think AppEngine is a stable platform and here to stay? - <AUTHOR>

Looking at the discussion surrounding Google AppEngine it seems a major concern is the future of the platform, especially considering Google's recent axing of popular services.  It seems to me that AppEngine has the potential to be more of a money maker than many of the services they cut, but I'm still a little hesitant to use it for new projects.  What do you guys think? <comment><USER2> I _don't_ know, and that uncertainty is what's making me shy away from App Engine. Google's business focus is advertising and I'm not sure how my app plays into their model.

</comment><comment><USER3> Nope. Google can't really be trusted.</comment>


Ask HN: What do you use serverless for? - <AUTHOR> <comment><USER2> I use the serverless framework for simple REST APIs. This is especially beneficial if you're hooking into other cloud provider tools (such as S3, SQS, ect. with AWS).

The main reason is speed of deployment and overhead. I can push the code to a repo and boom -- a working backend with basically no infra config.

I've found this works very well for internal glue tools that aren't majorly affected by cold starts.

One nice example was building a quick and dirty internal tool for L3 support staff to alter certain client records. It wasn't appropriate to hand out DB access and it wasn't a high enough priority to create a new feature in our "real" support system, so I build a few basic endpoints (with strict rules) and passed it off to the team. They're using Postman to make the changes as needed (using a JWT for auth from our main application).

</comment><comment><USER3> If we are talking about the 'serverless' framework.

I use it to stand up all resources for Amazon Web Services. The web gateway api, dynamodb tables, lamda code.

It is invaluable. Saves so much time. No need to standup resources by hand.

</comment><comment><USER4> I use Cloudflare Workers for:

* Serving a standard security.txt file for all websites within my account

* Automatically rewriting the case of URLs for a CMS that doesn't support case-insensitivity

* Adding security headers to sites that don't support adding them locally (e.g. third-party hosting)

* Proxying requests elsewhere directly from the 'edge', rather than having to run my own proxy

* Serving static config files, e.g. mta-sts.txt, proxy.pac

<comment><USER5> Just a head's up, while you can proxy websockets via cloudflare workers, you cannot have them act as the endpoint ([https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en- us/articles/200169466-U...](https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en- us/articles/200169466-Using-Cloudflare-with-WebSockets#12345684)).

<comment><USER6> FWIW, you can terminate WebSockets if you're in the Workers Unbound beta.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> Modern serverless platofrms include distributed data tiers like Cloudflare KV so theoretically at least the only problem domain they can't handle is secure communications and secrets requiring higher levels of auditing

</comment><comment><USER8> For stuff I don't really care about meeting any sort of SLA.

</comment><comment><USER9> Basically anything and everything that I can surmise will complete within 15 minutes.

<comment><USER10> why isn't it something you can just do from your machine? requires a lot of processing power?</comment></comment>


Unix and Perl for Biologists - <AUTHOR> http://unixandperl.com/

<comment><USER2> I love that Perl seems to be used so extensively by biologists. It's still by far the language I find myself most expressive in, and when done right produces wonderfully clean, accessible, and reusable code bases.

Until you've had CPAN at your disposal, you haven't lived! (may not be true)</comment>


Ask YC: Where's the escape hatch? I'd like to leave the US, but to where? - <AUTHOR> I'm sick of the US. Politics gone mad, an economy driven by greed, police state evidence all around - I'm ready for a change.
1) Are there any countries where I can emigrate and start a company? If so, what are some startup hubs around the world?
2) What about any countries that are simply looking for high-tech web workers?
3) As someone who speaks English and only passable Spanish, how easy would it be to get a job in a non-English-speaking country like Japan? Is English typically spoken in the workplace? <comment><USER2> The "economy driven by greed" is, in essence, what also makes the US the best place in the world to start and operate a for-profit business.

Good luck finding another country that is hospitable to a non-citizen starting a business, presents a ready market (all the Web2.0 stuff aside, it is still helpful to be close to the majority of your initial user base), has a legal system that affords you some protection, and lastly - has a tax system that allows you to actually keep a fair percentage of the money you earn.

I don't really care if you mod me down or not, but your post sounds childish and naive. You want to "start a company", but you don't even know where in the world to go, or where English is spoken? Have you done any research at all on this topic (and I wouldn't count posting a question here and expecting people to do your homework 'research')?

<comment><AUTHOR> Gosh that's negative. I simply haven't yet worked outside the US, and thought perhaps some countries with national languages other than english might have english-speaking workplaces. Since News.YC has such an international following, I figured that others could answer (and they have). Sheesh.

<comment><USER2> "I simply haven't yet worked outside the US" is much different than "I'm sick of the US"

You're asking about leaving the US to supposedly start a company. This is much different than looking for the change of scenery and experience of exploring a different country.

You're in the BEST place in the world to start a company. Not recognizing that fact and wanting to start a company shows, to me, a level of immaturity and short-sightedness that is somewhat frustrating.

Sorry if you didn't like my post, I write what I feel.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but what you're looking for doesn't exist. The US still has more protections against police interference in personal life than Europe. Europeans do tend to be more liberal than Americans and Europeans are more likely to force governments to their will. That is both good and bad. On the good side, democracy is more fulfilled. On the bad side, democracy can look like mob rule (especially when it comes to immigration today). This isn't to defend bad things in the US or make Europe look bad - more to point out that they're not as far apart as the original premise.

Every place has its faults. For example, Canada tends to be a bastion of liberalism and multi-culturalism. However, in the province of Ontario, Catholic denominated schools are public funded while schools of other religions must be privately funded. That doesn't mean that Ontario is a bad place to live or that its governors are bad people; it means that every place has these huge annoying faults that just suck.

So, the question isn't "where is better than America". That's a silly question. "Where do the annoyances annoy me personally less" is a better question. Maybe you care about domestic spying, but don't mind the state funding Catholic schools. Maybe you hate republicans for crying terror all the time, but don't mind European leaders yelling at immigrants for looking different. Maybe you hate the greed, but don't mind massive consumerism and vending machines selling everything everywhere in Japan.

For what it's worth, I'd have to agree with the couple of people that have mentioned Ireland. It's wealthy, immigrant-friendly, high-tech, with a good and stable government. It's environmentalist and a tad socialist without being anti-business. OH, and it's English speaking. The downsides? Well, broadband is crappy and everything costs a boatload. Police can stop and search without suspicion (as is the case in most countries); that mostly applies to things like drunk driving which has a zero-tolerance policy (as in, no driving if you've had a beer).

You have to figure out what you value - and whether a certain place has it. The Economist's Quality of Life Index (<http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/quality_of_life.pdf>) is a good place to narrow your list and it's important to note that there are only a dozen countries scoring higher than the US. I'd say, based on who I am, I'd be happy in half to three-quarters of those. Hope this has provided help.

</comment><comment><USER4> Stop reading reddit. Wait a month. See how you feel.

<comment><AUTHOR> I don't read reddit, but I do read the news.

I shouldn't have mentioned the politics stuff in my post. That confused the issue for some. The top reason for me asking is that I'm just ready for a change. I know every place has its downside, but without ever living anywhere else - how can I know for certain what is important to me?

<comment><USER5> Well, hang on. The USA is probably the most hospitable environment for business in the known universe. Not only is it harder to start businesses in most other countries, but expats face additional restrictions on business activity in most places. So if you want to start a business, stay in the USA. If you still want a change, the USA is a very diverse country, you can find all sorts of cultures just by moving a couple of states in any direction.

Challenges can also be found by giving yourself some handicaps.I knew a guy who was a moderately successful programmer, who sold all his belongings and hitchhiked across the USA.

If you want some sort of adventure that will test your sense of yourself, try someplace very different. India, Africa, China. Best handled with a buddy traveler, but they are not so hard to find.

Extreme short term, you can try Burning Man, that's on in a month and it will definitely stretch your imagination.

<comment><USER6> If he really wants a change, going to Europe might be good: way more diverse than the US in a relatively small space, and relatively "safe" (personal safety, health care, etc...). Agreed, though: "see something new" is a great reason to go abroad, but "start a company" is a great reason _not_ to.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> \- uuilly is right: Stop reading the news. It's just making you depressed.

\- The USA has got its problems, but other countries also have their problems. Half the problems that plague the USA also plague the world. (Example: Our housing bubble is also, in part, a global housing bubble -- easy credit can cross national boundaries, and it has!) And many of the problems that are new to the USA are old news in the rest of the world. (Ask a Londoner about police-state surveillance. Ask (e.g.) a Brazilian from the slums of Rio about police violence. Ask a Chinese person about what it's like to live without a First Amendment... or ask an _old_ Chinese person, or (god help us) a Cambodian, what "politics gone mad" really looks like.)

\- You need to travel, no question. Just take some long trips. If you put all your stuff in storage you can spend your rent money in foreign countries for months at a time.

\- The best place for _you_ to start a company is almost certainly the USA. You know the language. You know the culture. You've got a lot of contacts. You have no legal issues.

\- You're a _web worker_. Think about it: Just because your company is in the USA doesn't mean your _office_ needs to be in the USA. You can have an office on a beach in Argentina for a month, then have an office in a cafe in Japan for a month, then have an office in a hostel in Australia for a month. Just learn the local words for "wifi" and remember: When a customs official asks if your trip is for pleasure you say _yes_.

<comment><AUTHOR> > \- You're a web worker All my adult life I've dreamed about doing this. But > how many people actually do that? It sounds practical, but in practice, > there is really no substitute for presence.

<comment><USER7> Oddly, over half my consulting clients have never met me. Some have never spoken to me. All of them seem reasonably happy.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Have you personally experience the ill effects of the US or is this just from reading Reddit all day? I had the same feeling and took time to travel within the US and disconnect from the Internet.

As for finding another place, there are problems with any other places you pick. Can you pick up a high-tech job in Japan without knowing Japanese? Not likely. Japan is also a nifty place to visit but rarely a good place to stay.

Maybe you can run to Canada.

<comment><AUTHOR> Do you mean "unplug from reddit" or "unplug from the news"? Because while I know doing the latter would make me feel a lot better, I wouldn't want to live in a place where I'd have to do that to feel better.

<comment><USER8> Sometimes you have to realize there are by far worse things out there. Having been in the military and seen what real fucked-up circumstances are like in other countries, I much prefer what we have in the States over anything else.

And have you considered that the bickering, the analysis, the corruption, the this and that is part of the evolution of our republic and culture? That the introspection is required and Reddit being the lens is only one part of that? The only other thing that can make you feel better, albeit still hollow, is voting. Aside from that all you have left is to be personally involved in politics. I dropped what I was doing and bought a ticket to join the Ron Paul protest and rally. It made me feel better.

<comment><USER9> To avoid broad generalizations, I will just talk about countries I have personally visited, in the last 5 years. If you think the rest of the world is more fucked-up than the US, you are incorrect.

There are much safer and cleaner, less stressful places to live in the world. A few I have seen with my own eyes are Denmark and Japan. I am sure there are others.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment> dan-kruchinin Very naive. Do you know anything about immigration policy in different countries? Do you really think that foreign governments are waiting you with open arms? For them you're just useless foreigner if they can't get profit from you. You _may_ be profitable if 1) Foreign country need high qualified specialists. If you one of them you could get work permit. 2) You have enough money to open your own business there. (actually some countries have "business-based" immigration policy(as Australia for example) and some have not).

And note, there are not so many "IT-countries" but most of IT companies in them depend on IT industry in US. So you could lose your money.

<comment><AUTHOR> Very negative. Curious as to where you get your expertise. From my (admittedly limited) research, immigration for skilled workers is easy if not encouraged. Take for example, NZ, which lists hundreds of "qualified" jobs on their immigration site that will get you fast-tracked toward 2+ year documents.

<comment> dan-kruchinin Note, I didn't say that immigration is impossible. All immigrant needs is to be profitable for the country he wants to move to. If he has really good skills in a priority area and if purposed country has a lack of qualified workers in that area, he has a chance to get a work permit. In this case all depends on his skills. And it's not "pessimistic" point of view, rather it's realistic.

Actually I don't know much about NZ immigration policy, but in some countries(CZ for example) you can find a job on the spot, in other countries(for example in Australia) you have to prove your skills via some tests and only _after_ you have appropriate number of points you get a work permit.

<comment><USER10> NZ immigration policy is points based like Australia. There aren't any tests that I know of except English language tests, which are waived for native english speakers.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> Sweden or Iceland would get my vote. New Zealand is a popular option for Brits. Ireland I'm not so sure about; their massive economy growth was funded by EU grants, and now the EU is turning its attention to the former Warsaw Pact countries. Romania or Estonia would be a good bet. A lot of Western companies are buying their IT services there now, where you can fly in for a lunchtime meeting, rather than India. They're stable and everyone speaks English for business.

The big risk to the Scottish economy is that the SNP finally win Scottish independence and Westminster cancels the GBP 45Bn (approx USD 100Bn) subsidy from English taxes. At that point, unless the EU steps in, the Scottish economy will plummet like a rock.

<comment><USER12> Of course, it's also possible that they can replace those with EU grants as well.

However, looking like continued devolution is much more likely than independence in the near future. I believe the polls show only about 1 in 3 adults supporting full independence, but most support continued freedom [e.g. continuing in the vein of having a parliament again].

<comment><USER11> The elephant in the corner is the West Lothian problem.

And over and above that, the Scots have got nowhere to vote. They can't vote New Labour, they won't vote Tory, the Lib Dems are a joke, the SNP is about the only way to vote up there right now. If the SNP force the issue, the West Lothian problem may not be resolved in a way that favours the Scots...

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> Go for the weather and prices, not the politics. You can live as you want in the US. Plenty of hippy communes, survivalists, polygamists, vegetarians.

Work in the web, relax in good weather. The best weather in the US is either in Hawaii or on the coast north of San Diego.

Used to be people who wanted to get away went to the Soviet Union to help build the freedom of the Workers Paradise. I'd say be careful. It could be a one-way trip.

Tell us your politics, religion, sexual orientation and age and we can be of more help. I gather you're looking for a left-wing tech incubator. Don't know of any, but Israel and Ireland come close.

</comment><comment><USER14> If you need to pick a country right now, sight unseen, I say Ireland or Scotland. Probably hard to break in without an EU work permit, but if you are talented enough or can telecommute, then you might not have such a problem.

I add Scotland because Dundee seems to attract a lot of IT types, we had dealings with folks in Dundee and they were all whip-smart individuals.

If you want to do a little research before you go, you can pick something a little neater, like Estonia. Estonia would be choice #1 for me, just because it's actually a not-bad economy, good ties to the rest of Scandinavia, orderly/not corrupt, and definitely part of the startup world (Skype and Kazaa, hello?).

And then you could visit Russia and Ukraine and say hello to a _real_ police state...

<comment><USER11> Scotland's fairly lenient; I've a Canadian friend whose (IIRC) great- grandfather was Scottish and he got in with no problems. Not long after that I signed his citizenship papers.

<comment><USER15> Don't the same laws that apply to Scotland also apply to England and Northen Ireland seeings as they are all states inside of the United Kingdom?

<comment><USER11> I'm not entirely sure about this, but I think Scotland allows more generations ago than England. But yes, once you're in you can work anywhere in the UK.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> I moved the f*ck out of the US and set up a business in Mexico. I will not say what or exactly where, but my quality of life has shot straight up. Everything's cheaper, the girls are great, no Bush politics, I don't hear stories of police murde^H^H^H^H^Hacting in self-defense against normal people, and i'm a de facto super hero here for helping the economy pick up.

Like someone else said: Look at what bothers you, then look for places that don't have that shit, rather than looking for the perfect place. Every place has its downside.

NZ seems like good place, so does France (if you want to have a 35 hour work week). There are lots of options.

<comment><USER17> Hey, question for you: can you say approximately where are you in Mexico? I started looking at the Baja, like Cabo, but got _very_ quickly turned off by many stories of violence/robberies against Americans.

<comment><USER16> A couple hours away from Guadalajara. Look for a city without drug gang problems.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> Rather than running away, why don't you try voting or running for a public office? Do something about your situation, don't try to get others to fix it for you (and yes, running to some 'better' country is exactly that).

</comment><comment><USER19> Chile, perhaps. Latin America is pretty insulated from the housing bubble, Chile in particular. It also has these innovative concepts called _capitalism_ and _democracy_. As an entrepreneur, you barely pay taxes. I've met people who pay whatever you want (because of loopholes) or whatever your con, save VAT, which is at 18%. You can hire anybody, from anywhere on earth, with minimal amounts of immigration bullshit [1]. Engineers cost about the same as they do in India. Weather is as good as SV. On top of that, the elite is largely made up of engineer entrepreneurs, and they run the place. It more free trade agreements than any other country, and is the only Western country with a FTA with China.

However, you're far from big markets, and people are xenophobic, and the universities are not on a par with Stanford or Harvard. Plus, it's not Silicon Valley. Starting a company isn't easy, but it is less hard than it is at a lot of other places. Also, quality is hard to find.

I would never recommend going to another country to start a company because emigrating is starting from scratch, and you might know less Spanish than you think. But if you were really set on going somewhere else, and set on going to Latin America, Santiago's not a bad place to go.

[1] There's a limit: no more than 15% of your employees can be non-Chileans.

See also: <http://apps.ycombinator.com/item?id=243269>

</comment><comment><USER20> I'm not sure your strategy is sound. Nonetheless, if you're determined to work in another country (assuming you're not a citizen), you will quickly run into legal trouble: in most countries, you need to have some sort of work permit, which can be difficult or impossible to get.

If any of your ancestors are from Europe, you may be able to claim citizenship in their country of origin. This is the legal principle of jus sanguinis. The Wikipedia article on jus sanguinis has a list of countries that have that style of citizenship law (not all are European).

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis>

This is cool, because -- as I understand it -- if you're a citizen of a European Union member country, you can legally work anywhere else in the EU. For example, if you can claim Spanish citizenship through your grandfather, you can go work at a startup in London. (Starting your own company might be a different matter, though.)

If you're descended from Jews, you may be able to claim Israeli citizenship. I don't know much about this, but Israel does have a startup scene.

<comment><USER6> Yeah, once you're in the EU, you can go anywhere. I'm married to an Italian woman (a strategy I can't recommend highly enough:-), and we can move anywhere within the EU - for instance we're in Austria right now. We're thinking of going back to the US though, as there are more and better opportunities there, especially for her.

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> Try Costa Rica. Many big companies outsourcing there, English widely spoken and many talented and educated employees available.

</comment><comment><USER10> 1) You can emigrate almost anywhere to start a company, if you have half a million dollars or more, in cash. If you don't have any money, it is hard(er) to emigrate anywhere in the "first world."

2) Nowhere in particular is facing a shortage of high-tech web workers.

3) It is easy to get a job in Japan if you know someone who can get you a job in Japan. The hard part is finding the job in the first place. If you don't already have a connection, your best bet is to already be in Japan, and then apply somewhere that is known for hiring non-japanese people... like an investment bank or JENS or Dell. English is not typically spoken in the workplace in Japan, but in my experience, one out of 30 people spoke decent english. I wouldn't say Japan is a great place to go if you are simply sick of the USA. It is fun for 3-6 months. It is very expensive and a "closed society," so after a while you will get very homesick.

</comment><comment><USER22> The Netherlands, Belgium, and Germany have a lot of English-speaking workplaces. A lot of web jobs in London. New Zealand has an interesting albeit small startup scene.

</comment><comment><USER23> If you aren't really bothered by the _present_ effects but instead the long term conditions, then I would suggest moving some assets overseas (foreign bank accounts or gold), so that you've got resources to flee should the need arise, but otherwise staying put and pursuing what you'd like.

I see most of what is happening in the US (militarized police/information privacy/corporate rule) as a greater worldwide trend. Running away from the leading edge is only going to buy you a little time.

</comment><comment><USER24> There is no place in the Western world that doesn't have

(a) politics that are even _more_ mad (b) a worse economy (c) less police state.

Not reading reddit is probably the best advice you've gotten.

</comment><comment><USER25> Never, ever give up your US citizenship. It is one of the most valuable things in the world, inside or outside the United States. I don't think that will change for at least 25 years, due to inertia if nothing else.

If you don't speak Japanese then it isn't easy to get a job in Japan. But, anything is possible. I've talked with many people that moved to Japan and they often found it to be a cold and isolating place after they outgrew the "cute American boy" look and role. You can count on doing most stuff in Japanese in Japan. I have a friend that came to the US and learned a lot of English, and she works as a liaison between her Japanese coworkers and their foreign business partners. Other than that kind of job, everything is Japanese, and Japanese people are much less willing to try to speak to you in English than the natives of other countries in my experience. Anyway, Speaking Japanese is not hard but it takes a long time to read and write. If you save up some money you can take an intensive course for a year and you will be more than good for getting a job that doesn't require too much reading, assuming you have a US degree already.

Anyway, you can go anywhere and do anything. But, there are few places in the world where you can go and do anything easier than you can in the US. When I left, I thought it was great at first; in the end I was making plans to bring my new friends back here with me so they would have more opportunities and a fairer chance at a good life. Becoming a foreigner in another country doesn't increase your freedom whatsoever; you are staying in their country at their pleasure, and you have very little leverage in any situation.

Regardless of where you go, it really helps to have a lot of money relative to those around you. Stick around a little bit and make a nice pile of money to take with you, if you don't have one already.

</comment><comment><USER26> Singapore. Orderly, English-speaking, low taxes, tax breaks for startups (your corporate income tax on your first $100K/year for your first three years is zero).

Although if you're worried that the US is a police state, you might not like it there. It seems to be a country where you're free to do whatever a sensible adult would do, and you really shouldn't deviate from that norm.

<comment><USER25> "Although if you're worried that the US is a police state, you might not like it there." That is putting it mildly. It is _illegal_ to possess chewing gum there. Vandalism is punishable by torture.

<comment><USER26> 'Punishable by torture' is ridiculous. Caning is rarely used, and I would probably prefer it to a prison sentence.

But again, this is a matter of preference. If you love being an antisocial asshole, Singapore will be hell for you until they kick you out (if they let you in). If you're a responsible adult, you won't notice the laws because they won't apply to you -- the penalty for vandalism or heroin use or spitting on the sidewalk is inconsequential to me.

<comment><USER27> >'Punishable by torture' is ridiculous. Caning is rarely used,

By any definition, caning is torture. There's no potential ambiguity, unlike waterboarding. Singapore no longer publishes caning data, but illegal immigration carries a mandatory sentence of caning and more than 10,000 people were arrested for that in 2004.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore>

Edit: there is a torture exemption for pain and suffering arising from "lawful sanctions": perhaps caning is excluded from the definition of torture. I guess judicial waterboarding would also be legal. <http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/h_cat39.htm>

<comment><USER26> Well, yes. It's a very nice place to live, and part of the reason for that is how selective they are about who gets to stay there. So I can sympathize with the idea of really cracking down on illegals.

Anyway, compare it to prison: caning probably hurts a whole lot, and might take weeks to heal. And then it's over. Prison hurts less, but takes years -- during which the prisoner is subsidized by the taxpayers. If the US introduced caning as a prison alternative (for first-time offenders, at least) it would probably make the country a much nicer place to live.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER28> John Walker from AutoCad chose Switzerland <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_%28programmer%29>

Any other famous ex-pats? I figure that if immigration doesn't go up, taxes will (or services go to hell)... and that will lead to more ex-pats.

</comment><comment><USER29> So sorry - but everywhere else is downhill on all aspects that bother you about the US.

Greed- just expresses itself through different channels Police state - give me a break Politics gone mad - freedom has its price

Unfortunately, as much as it sucks, it is better than every other alternative.

</comment><comment><USER30> If only Toronto wasn't so cold...

<comment><USER31> Motivation to stay indoors 6 months of the year?

As long as you don't really hate the cold - and enjoy winter sports, the winter is bearable. (yes, that was for laughs, and yes I just thought it up now)

It does make it harder to get focussed right now when the weather is delightful.

</comment></comment><comment><USER32> Welcome to the human condition.

</comment><comment><USER33> Try New Zealand, starting a business takes 5 minutes and $160, and it has to be done online. We also have a growing population of startups in Auckland and Wellington.

www.nzte.govt.nz www.med.govt.nz

</comment><comment><USER34> Vancouver, Montreal and Toronto have reasonable startup scenes.

<comment><USER35> Vancouver is a beautiful city. I love it there.

</comment></comment><comment><USER27> I always hear good things about Argentina/Buenos Aires; if you speak passable Spanish you'll be up to fluent in a year of immersion.

</comment><comment><USER36> if i were you i'd do more research on what countries are open to people in your situation. there aren't really that many countries where you can just walk in and get a work visa or citizenship. some specific examples are japan and italy. if you want to live/work there, you're going to need to know some of the language and a minor mirale.

</comment><comment><USER37> If you are good and bring in capital, I think probably every country will give you a working permit. Just remember that as US citizen you will always to have to pay taxes in the US even if you work outside the US. (in addition to the taxes you pay in the country you are working in) :)

<comment><USER38> A lot of countries have tax treaties with the US. So you can deduct the taxes you pay in that country from your US tax. You don't get double taxed. Of course, if you go to a place with very little taxes, you don't get to enjoy that.

<comment><USER37> Thanks for clarifying. I actually heard that you would get double taxed, but this was probably wrong.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER39> As I understand it there is a 30% tax on worldwide possessions to surrender a US passport. Apparently the Russians used to do it to Jews as they fled the border but since the cold war ended theres no reason not to copy it.

</comment><comment><USER31> Get some contract work within the US, and be making a good American salary while travelling/working. Don't take too much work on so you can relax.

It is something I have considered.

</comment><comment><USER40> good idea I think. I'd say north Europe. Or maybe trying a country in Latin America, to get out of beaten paths.

While being abroard, people tends to loose interest in politics : they're not concerned by home politics, and they're not citizens of their hosting country. Maybe it's not true for americans since even their internal affairs are covered worldwide.

</comment><comment><USER41> I say Berlin. Not the rest of Germany, though.

</comment><comment><USER42> If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

<comment><USER43> what if the problem is the solution?

</comment></comment><comment><USER44> Try Bahamas or Hawaii, at least the weather will be good.

<comment><USER12> ... Except for the fact that Hawaii is in the US.

<comment><USER44> at least the weather will be good.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER45> well i am going to india in september for 3 weeks to check out the startup scene!!

gimme a buzz if are considering India :D:D

</comment><comment><USER46> South Africa.

</comment><comment><USER47> Australia

<comment><USER48> I am quite surprised by this post and the majority of recommendations. I currently run a startup in the UK, the scene is quite frankly awful, staffing costs in the UK are possibly the highest around.

You need to ask yourself if your possible employees can count leading web/software firms in their CV as more than likely in the US, no is the answer.

We have had extremely bad experiences with UK firms and now outsource all our IT projects via Guru/elance to Eastern European countries like Slovenia and further afield to Kenya (fast becoming a call centre and data alternative to India) and India.itself. The UK currently is in a financial crisis, we are experiencing a hard knock on from the US housing crisis and our inflation is currently at around 3.8% which is well above average. Additionally you will find it shocking to note the Petrol prices here are near on the highest in the world - approx £5.42 per gallon at the moment (approx $11) an earlier comment about EU countries is very viable and moving around between countries is relatively easy within the EU.

From a startup scene perspective there are little in the way of the numerous startup meets and socials I see startups being able to attend in San Fransisco. There just isnt a central hub as you have in the US for technology yet, maybe in 10 years there will be but for now its diluted.

Personally I know of the beauty and appeal of New Zealand and understand the benefits but for the pure weather, excellent salaries and quality of life Australia would be my preferred choice. Suffice to say I have been looking at moving to the US for the reason of the benefits it would bring a new startup and the networking facilities. The Venture Capital reach alone is staggering.

Hope this helps. Additionally to note, setting up a company in the UK will require a UK bank account which in turn requires a permanant address and credit checks etc.

</comment></comment><comment><USER49> "Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. It captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit."

\- Gordon Gekko

<comment><USER11> "... and greed will not only save Teldar Paper but that other malfunctioning corporation, the United States of America"

</comment></comment><comment><USER50> [http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/24/75-threatening- to...](http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02/24/75-threatening-to-move-to- canada/)</comment>


The mysteries of Apple's secret battery charging methods - <AUTHOR> http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/icharge.html

<comment><USER2> I've been wondering why my cheap USB car charger wouldn't charge my iPhone. Time to add a few resistors!

</comment><comment><USER3> Read like link bait. Please change the title. Battery charging is not in the realm of secrets and mysteries.

<comment><USER4> In this case it is, since Apple devices don't charge from USB in the regular way.

<comment><USER3> Isn't that more a clever technique than a mystery?

<comment><USER4> Yeah I guess.

Another lesson learned: AA batteries are good.</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Show HN: Lightweight Hubspot alternative for startups - <AUTHOR> https://orchestrahq.com/ <comment><AUTHOR> We've just launched our minimum viable product and would love to get some feedback from the HN community:

Beta link: [https://app.orchestrahq.com](https://app.orchestrahq.com)</comment>


Child's drawing 'predicts later intelligence' - <AUTHOR> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-28852471

<comment><USER2> The lead researcher, quoted in TFA:

"The correlation is moderate, so our findings are interesting, but it does not mean that parents should worry if their child draws badly.

"Drawing ability does not determine intelligence, there are countless factors, both genetic and environmental, which affect intelligence in later life."

<comment><USER3> These are just boilerplate disclaimers.

>The correlation is moderate, so our findings are interesting

A fair comment

>but it does not mean that parents should worry if their child draws badly.

Just an irrelevant disclaimer.

>Drawing ability does not determine intelligence, there are countless factors, both genetic and environmental, which affect intelligence in later life.

Just a disclaimer to rule out "determinism", which is itself a meaningless concept in the probabilistic world we live in. Given the correlation they discovered, it is accurate to say that drawing ability _predicts_ intelligence to some degree.

<comment><USER4> > Given the correlation they discovered, it is accurate to say that drawing > ability predicts intelligence to some degree.

Not in a scientific sense. For science, the existence of the correlation isn't enough to argue for a predictive relationship. For science, someone would have to design a test in which the drawing was proven to anticipate later developments, rather than accompany them passively (and with a rather marginal p-factor). In a human study with ethical standards in place, this is quite impossible.

In the strictest scientific sense, a study like this would have to show a mechanism, a cause, that connected particular drawing traits with later intelligence. Merely observing a correlation without a proposed explanation is suspect.

For example, someone might say, "The development of brain area X by age Y simultaneously shows itself through a particular drawing ability -- to the exclusion of other explanations -- and has been shown to be a precondition for specific intellectual processing ability Z at age 14." Obviously a study like this can't possibly reach those heights while remaining within its budget and while adhering to prevailing ethical standards and neuroscientific knowledge.

I emphasize I am not advocating what I say next, it's only hypothetical, to make a point. An imaginary study could say, "We snipped out a small section of brain tissue from region Q, and saw (a) a decline in drawing ability, and (b) a subsequent decline in overall intellectual capacity later in life."

But you know what? Such things are done all the time in animal studies, unfortunately with dubious relevance to humans. Also, my hypothetical study would still not explain _why_ that result came about, only that the hypothetical snipping was correlated with a specific outcome. Remember that proposing and then testing explanations is the essence of science.

<comment><USER5> > For science, the existence of the correlation isn't enough to argue for a > predictive relationship. For science, someone would have to design a test in > which the drawing was proven to anticipate later developments, rather than > accompany them passively

You're confusing a "predictive" relationship with a "causative" relationship. A correlation and a predictive relationship are the same thing.

<comment><USER4> > A correlation and a predictive relationship are the same thing.

Not at all. Do puddles predict rain, or accompany it? A prediction is specific, and distinct from a simple correlation. A prediction assumes the existence of a cause-effect relation between the measured property and something predicted in the future, even if (as in this case) the mechanism connecting them isn't known.

Prediction implies cause and effect. Exposure to a virus predicts infection in some of those exposed -- it's more than a simple correlation.

Inebriation predicts traffic accidents. Sexual activity predicts pregnancy and STDs. And so forth. These aren't simple correlations.

> You're confusing a "predictive" relationship with a "causative" > relationship.

No, I'm asserting that that is what it means, as do all who use the word "prediction" in this context.

<comment><USER5> See [http://www.thefreedictionary.com/predictor+variable](http://www.thefreedictionary.com/predictor+variable) , or [http://www.theanalysisfactor.com/the-many-names-of- independe...](http://www.theanalysisfactor.com/the-many-names-of-independent- variables/)

Pregnancy predicts sexual activity just as sexual activity predicts pregnancy (actually, better). The reference to the future is that you test the second variable in the future, not that it receives its value in the future.

From the second link:

> Predictor Variable: It does not imply causality. A predictor variable is > simply useful for predicting the value of the response variable.

<comment><USER4> > Pregnancy predicts sexual activity just as sexual activity predicts > pregnancy (actually, better).

This merely says that the use of "predicts" in this context is meaningless, since in common usage "predicts" implies a one-way relationship.

I see from your second link that a definition has been crafted that undermines the word's common meaning. So it goes in language, an art, not a science, and one in which words mean whatever people think they mean, as with the sad case of "literally", which often means "figuratively".

[http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally](http://www.merriam- webster.com/dictionary/literally)

<comment><USER5> You're the one who specifically called out the use of 'the word "prediction" in this context'. If you're not familiar with standard statistical terminology, why try to start a fight over its use in statistics?

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Wow, what a non-story. The article describes an IQ test in use for roughly the last 100 years. Then they profess surprise that children's IQ, measured at age 4, is a predictor for their IQ measured at age 14.

That's basically the entirety of the 338-word article.</comment>


What Women Don't Want - <AUTHOR> https://medium.com/ladybits-on-medium/3a01c7c65b71

<comment><AUTHOR> Just found Robinson's take: [https://medium.com/glimpse- labs/4aa5b6a6a665](https://medium.com/glimpse-labs/4aa5b6a6a665)

</comment><comment><USER2> Someone immature enough to make an app like titstare probably isn't mature enough to make an appropriate presentation for a general audience. Why is no rage being directed at the, presumably, responsible adult conference organizers who let them on stage? It's almost like letting young-earther's give a talk at a geology conference!

</comment><comment><USER3> I agree there is sexism in the STEM fields, not all organizations and not all men, but it does exist.

Pax's comments sort of have a sexist tone to them, and I guess he was trying to joke or troll. One can say they are misogynist to an extent as well.

I don't really see the value in a titstate or jerkoffmeter, it sounds like the sort of app that Reddit or 4Chan would make. I suppose someone has to make those sorts of apps for the 'Frat Boys' out there or immature men to use as jokes, but usually you don't give a demo of them to the public at a meeting with women and young girls present because it has male oriented adult themes border-lining on porn. To be quite honest most demos are not screened before they are given, so you never know if one comes up. This is why porno magazines are always behind the counter of a gas-station and then covered up so under aged customers and people who object to them cannot see them. It is just common decency.

I think the bigger issue here is how to hire women who have talent, skills, and experience in the STEM field for STEM careers and how to attract them to your organization to hire them. Doing stuff like Pax did just drives them away. Some organizations just hire women based on their looks, and then they end up with mostly untalented women who aren't qualified for the job, but got hired to avoid discrimination lawsuits of a low ration of STEM women employees. Eventually the talentless women get found out when they cannot even do the basics of their job, and then management moves them to something they can do, like a blogger and write the blogs as a technical evangelist.

My sister has to deal with this, she knows over 7 different programming languages and has a lot of talent. The talentless women harass her because they are jealous of her skills and abilities, call her tomboy, lesbian and other names. This sort of thing is not blogged about, and these sort of women are turning into social bullies. Most of them lack any STEM talent at all, and are in it just for the larger paychecks instead of learning new skills and developing great innovations like my sister does. Men bully due to their egos, but women on the other hand, bully for different reasons.

It is sad because some women who make it to the top, use a 'rope ladder' my sister claims, and then they pull the rope ladder up with them so no other woman can climb, and then they sabotage other women so they won't find success and it hurts their organization. Again even that is not blogged about either.

My sister is a humanist, she is for equal rights for everyone. She claims feminists only support women, and want women to become superior to everyone else. That radical feminism took over in the 1960's, and as a result told women not to take STEM classes or rolls because men will just cut them down and are all pigs. That this modern age is a humanist movement, and feminists seem threatened by that. Feminists attack humanists and atheists because they want equality for all. The feminists keep citing examples like Pax, for the real reason why more women don't take on more STEM classes and careers, but Pax is in the minority of men and feminists keep making excuses to cover up that they are the main people telling women to drop out of STEM classes and careers by painting all men as pigs and apes by citing a single example like Pax, and then say all men are like that and 'we need to talk'. But no, not all men are like that and it is unfair to keep saying that.

Feminists, some of them seem to suffer from a form of misogyny and won't admit to it. That needs to be blogged about as well. But nobody is brave enough to do that.

I would like to encourage women to take STEM classes and pursue STEM roles. To develop that talent, skills, experience and become like my sister and don't let some name calling and bad examples drive you from where STEM can take you. [http://www.iseek.org/careers/womenstem.html](http://www.iseek.org/careers/womenstem.html)

<comment><USER4> A majority of what you said is true and needs to be openly discussed with the long term goal of equal and abundant opportunity for all.

I caution the definition of feminism is "to become superior to everyone else" as it is just plain untrue. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women.[1] It's not about superiority, simply equality.

I, as a male, have yet to read a piece of scholarly feminist literature that was based purely on misandry. In fact almost all of the literature I've read argues against the conditions and cultural values that both men and women are exposed to that allow them to identify and carry out sexist behavior in a justified manner rather than simply blaming the individuals. Instead most asks that we all think critically of our own responsibility to others, what we value culturally and why we value it.

The "rope ladder" example you mention can be related to a "BARGAINING WITH PATRIARCHY"[2] where women who are invested in a patriarchal system and receive some benefits are less likely to give up those benefits even if it improves their own situation in the long term.

[1]: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism) [2]: [http://www.smi.uib.no/seminars/Pensum/kandiyoti,%20Deniz.pdf](http://www.smi.uib.no/seminars/Pensum/kandiyoti,%20Deniz.pdf)

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> Focusing on one of Pax's tweets that's an all-too-common defence of misogyny: Defining misogyny as 'hatred of women' is a cause for a lot of misunderstanding, because it plays semantics with the definition of 'hate', which has a pretty clear definition in lay terms. A better definition would be 'contempt of women'.

You can hold someone in contempt without hating them - for example, when you condescend to or patronise someone, you're exhibiting contempt for them. You can quite easily like those people, but you're disregarding them in some way - their ability, their intellect, and so forth. That is much easier to explain than to explain to a misogynist how 'hatred' somehow applies to his preferred sexual partners.

<comment><USER6> No, you just described sexism. An assertion of superiority or inferiority of one gender. Not misogyny. Words have meanings for a reason and it would be inappropriate for me to change the definition of "racism", just because I really really liked calling you a racist.

<comment><USER5> Yes, I agree that words have meanings for a reason. Please read my comment again and you'll see that that's the main thrust of what I'm getting at.</comment></comment></comment>


Can hemp oil cure my ailments? What does it work best on? - <AUTHOR> https://www.alignable.com/forum/can-hemp-oil-cure-my-ailments <comment><AUTHOR> We all deal with stress i.e. acute and chronic. Individuals have their own characteristics, symptoms and duration but can hemp-based CBD products help with daily and chronic stress?</comment>


Ask HN: Which verticals have significant systems integration problems? - <AUTHOR> I know that in EdTech, HealthTech and some other domains there are significant problems with building B2B technology because the data required to run that technology lives in a bunch of siloed enterprise systems.<p>Are there any other examples of industries where this is a really significant problem? <comment><USER2> Not exactly an answer to your question... but you may find a skim of this article delightfully (or horrifyingly) Kafkaesque: [https://www.travel- industry-blog.com/travel-industry/ndc/](https://www.travel-industry- blog.com/travel-industry/ndc/)</comment>


The anatomy of the perfect technical interview from a former Amazon VP - <AUTHOR> http://firstround.com/article/The-anatomy-of-the-perfect-technical-interview-from-a-former-Amazon-VP <comment><USER2> In my 10 years at Amazon, I interviewed lots of engineers and I think Amazon's interview process is fatally flawed. Of course Amazon is still able to hire good candidates but I believe it is in spite of this process and not because of it.

Here were the most frustrating aspects of interviewing for me:

1\. Bar raisers don't ask questions that they themselves don't know the answer to. I believe this is what Roseman is referring to (as a desirable?!? attribute) when he says "One of the things that really pisses me off is people asking questions that they don't even have a good handle on themselves". What happens in practice is that you miss hiring people who may not be able to answer a question _to which every interviewer already knows the answer_ but whom might be uniquely qualified in some other area.

2\. Interviewers still ask candidates to code answers to theoretical questions on the whiteboard. There is no room in the Amazon interview process to "try out" a candidate for a week or two in a real world setting to see how they perform.

3\. Amazon considers all SDEs to be fungible but internal politics determines which group gets to interview a new candidate. Have an advanced degree and strong interest in machine learning? Too bad, US Retail needs someone to work on front-end development and they'll ask you lots of questions about javascript.

4\. This isn't really part of the Amazon interview process but Amazon's job descriptions are (for the most part) written so generically and absent of personality that I think they miss out on lots of great candidates for whom startups simply seem more fun & interesting.

<comment><USER3> I remember my own interview process with Amazon. I wasn't interviewing for an SDE position but a TPM role. I made it through the gauntlet and it all fell down due to Amazon's grossly unrealistic understanding of what the going rates for experienced PMs are.

I mostly had fun with it, but I was also frustrated.

The phone screens were the hardest in a purely technical sense, lots of algorithm questions that really didn't have anything to do with the job at all, I had to reach into my way-back machine to dig up some of the runtimes. But I made it through three of phone calls like that and had a bit of fun. After the phone calls and a chat with a senior person in the department, I was pretty sure I had a feel for where I was going to end up and what kind of projects I'd be managing. So I boned up on management theory and algorithms and a few other odds and ends.

Flying out to Amazon for the face-to-face, I realized I was wrong. Each face- to-face interview was wildly unfocused, I was interviewing in subjects the interviewer often didn't have any experience in and completely didn't reflect the nature of the phone interviews or the statements I had been given by the senior guy I spoke with. In one interview I'm designing Java APIs for movie tickets, in another I'm specifying contingency plans for overseas warehouse fulfillment issues. In another I was asked by two _very_ junior people who frowned in confusion the entire time as I discussed complex employee and co- worker conflict resolution cases I've experienced over the last 18 years. In fact I was never asked a question about the first 15 years of my work experience, most of which would have been more relevant. But I was asked tons of questions about my side-startup, which was just me and my wife hacking around on the side and getting passive ad revenue and had no relevancy at all to the job.

The "lunch chat" was with somebody who couldn't have made small talk if he had a gun to his head. He just sat in silence and ate his soup the entire time while I uncomfortably ate one of the sloppiest turkey pesto sandwiches I've ever encountered.

I definitely _didn 't_ nail the face-to-face, but that's because I was playing trivial pursuit with the interviewers and the answers were arbitrary, instead of knuckling down on the job, the role, the department, the expectations of performance and the responsibilities of the position.

But I did something right because I was called in the next day to go over compensation and was blown away to find out the absolute max pay cap for the entire company was almost a 20% pay cut from what I'd been making in my previous job (a job that I was leaving because I was 10-15% under my peers and had been in a pay freeze for 3 years while the company worked towards profitability -- and yes it was from a metro area with a similar cost of living to Seattle).

Despite that, Amazon would have been good to work at, but even my absolute pay floor was 10% over. I even asked to make up the compensation difference with a mix of stocks or other methods, but eventually we had to agree that there was no way I could live the life I had become accustomed to with what Amazon was willing to pay.

<comment><USER4> My understanding is when they fly you out, you're pretty much a shoe-in and now they're letting their devs have a shot at trying to interview, while getting a feel how you work with others. i.e. are you sane or will you eat on of our disposable dev's face?

<comment><USER5> Its generally the opposite, the phone interviews are the sanity check.

<comment><USER4> "sanity check" in this context is a bit different than in software.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> I'm always amazed by how confidently people can propose a hiring "rule" or even guideline.

The article pays lip service to the fact "There's no way to A/B test hiring decisions" but then goes on to describe a handful of rules to "build an effective organization, regardless of size or resources." The thing is, there's no evidence that these are effective and definitely none to suggest they're generalizable to organizations of every size. There's an appeal to the author's authority as an Amazon VP (admittedly a hell of a credential), but that's not evidence of effectiveness.

The fact is, hiring is tough to learn. It's made especially difficult because your feedback comes at least 6 months after you make the decision. I've had the good fortune to be in an organization which grew from ~10 employees this time last year to ~80 now, so I've gotten to see how a few dozen hires panned out in a short period of time. I learned a lot through that. Even so, as a professional data geek, I couldn't say with a straight face that I "know" anything about hiring. I do my best day in and day out, but saying you've got hiring all figured out is the professional equivalent of knowing "What (wo)men want." It's a sign of confidence, but not necessarily knowledge.

Don't get me wrong, in the absence of quality data, I'll take the wise words of someone who has been there and done that. But I'd much rather some empirical proof or at least some "YMMV" humility from those who purport to know.

<comment><USER7> This topic has started taking on religious tones in the past year or so. It seems to be a long stream of anecdotes and opinion pieces presented with appeals to authority either of the author or someone the author is connected to.

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> I appreciate the notion of having the whole team prepared for the interview process. I think this is a best practice. But, when I interview, I am looking for completely different things than the author.

I really don't care about what you did at your last company or if you raised this by 50% or that by 30%. Rather, I want three things in a candidate: smart, talented and hungry. If I get someone who is smart, talented and hungry and I drop them into a situation where there is unlimited upside, my job then becomes to guide them to greatness.

I also strongly disagree with the notion of not asking questions you do not know the answer to. Anyone can read an obscure section of the C++ language spec or a chapter on some data structure 5 minutes before an interview and make themselves feel superior to the candidate. What does this prove? Nothing. I often ask questions I don't know the answer to in order to determine whether or not the candidate can teach me something. I love having people on my team that have the ability to teach others.

The author's point is very well taken -- interviewing is an important process and it should be conducted in a way that results in the best possible outcome. But, he's looking at the situation far too rigidly for my taste.

<comment><USER9> I disagree with the hungry part (if you are referring to someone that needs the money). Being "hungry" just means that they will be stuck with a company but will not love what they do.

<comment><USER8> Less about needing money and more about being ambitious. Hungry for success I should say.

<comment><USER10> Whether hungry for money or hungry for success, you're then missing hiring candidates who aren't "hungry" because they have a proven track record at having done very well financially from a series of successes.

At this point, they don't need money or validation, they just figure they can help you solve things and are talking to you because they _enjoy_ solving new things.

Hungry is overrated when what you need is focus on solving the business' problems. This is one reason VC like to see founders take "shelter money" off the table early.

<comment><USER11> Someone who has sufficient self-made wealth to retire, or nearly retire, but who is still looking to work for you as a developer I would certainly describe as "hungry" in this context. But I'm mostly interpreting that term to mean "passionate" about the intellectual and creative aspects of the job.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> > [he] believes every phase of the process needs to be meticulously designed > to drill deep into skill sets, ... and leadership potential

Ugh. I hate this. For a technical interview, why is leadership potential a priority? Speaking for myself, I've done the leadership thing and don't care for it. People tell me I'm good at it, but I still prefer dealing with algorithms over humans, and I actively decline offers for "promotion". (I already have my very own batch of little humans of to deal with, thank you very much.)

Unfortunately, no matter where you go, there's always the deep-seated cultural mindset that manager > worker. In terms of the corporate efficiency calculation of effectiveness/hour, I suppose that's still true. But for me, personally, that's not the equation that I care to maximize.

<comment><USER13> > For a technical interview, why is leadership potential a priority?

Probably because in many modern ways of organizing knowledge work, distributing leadership roles is an important part of the way organizations operate.

> Unfortunately, no matter where you go, there's always the deep-seated > cultural mindset that manager > worker.

The places where that is least true are also the places where evaluating leadership potential in technical workers is the most relevant to immediate job performance.

<comment><USER14> _Probably because in many modern ways of organizing knowledge work, distributing leadership roles is an important part of the way organizations operate_

Does it work, by which does it produce the desired results or benefits? It seems somewhat likely that this would have a side-effect of pushing employees to asserting a dominating personality.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> "No matter how many times they say it, most still make decisions based on gut feel, basic credentials, GPAs, ivy league educations, flashy company names - even SAT scores. Roseman objects."

What's a Roseman object? Is it some psychological classification of the means by which we just things? Of course, I mis-read it. Shame, that could have been an interesting topic.

<comment><USER16> If it's confusing to parse, let me expand it: Neil _Roseman_ strenuously _objects_ to that assertion.

<comment><USER15> I understood it perfectly about half a second after I misunderstood it. I just thought I'd share my experience, as I found it amusing.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> _" The anatomy of the perfect technical interview from a former Amazon VP"_

And more recently, a former Zynga VP.

Surprising that such an expert at evaluating people chose to work for Zynga, of all places.

<comment><USER18> Money is a hell of a drug.

<comment><USER9> That's how you get the best talent. There is no secret question you can ask to find great talent.

I've interviewed persons that did very very well during the interview process, but failed miserably on a day-to-day basis.

<comment><USER19> So money is the answer? Have you never observed a well paid developer who "failed miserably on a day to day basis"?

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> There seems to be a lot of criticism of the suggestions here, but I think they are good ones. It seems to pretty much boil down to:

(1) Spend a lot of time discussing accomplishments at their current / previous employers. If you drill down on particular projects they should be able to explain, in great detail, exactly what their contribution was and how they worked with the rest of the team to get that done.

(2) Pick a technical question that has a lot of depth so that you avoid false positives because people have just looked up the answer on the internet. I would also add that in my view the best questions have no tricks and require no "aha!" moments. It should be something the candidate can be reasoned through step by step so you can see their thought process. When they come up with an initial solution, then you can dive deeper by expanding the problem or adding additional constraints.

<comment><USER21> I'm also disappointed that so many comments above do not engage with the information in the article. I, too, found this to be a thoughtful and helpful piece. Along the parts I liked --

Using "calibrated" questions that you have used before and know how far people get with.

Focusing on a specific accomplishment or area of strength of the _candidate_ to probe. (As opposed to choosing something from the resume that, say, the interviewer was most comfortable with, or that the interviewer found interesting.)

Paying attention to preparing the _interviewers_ , so they know why the candidate is being considered, they know why they are on the interview list, and they are experienced enough with interviewing to give a useful opinion.

</comment></comment><comment><USER22> The one element no one ever accounts for is the interviewers. You're never going to have a perfect technical interview because you're an imperfect human. You're incapable of judging whether someone is a perfect cultural fit, and someone who doesn't fit the culture might help the company more than someone who does.

That isn't even getting into the the conflict between whats good for the company and whats good for you.

<comment><USER23> When Google pushed out their interview-results data this year, one of the big findings was that there is NO SUCH THING as a good interviewer.

To quote the NY Times interview with Laszlo Black of Google - "Years ago, we did a study to determine whether anyone at Google is particularly good at hiring. We looked at tens of thousands of interviews, and everyone who had done the interviews and what they scored the candidate, and how that person ultimately performed in their job. We found zero relationship. It's a complete random mess, except for one guy who was highly predictive because he only interviewed people for a very specialized area, where he happened to be the world's leading expert."

That being said, there are a lot of very disorganized interviewers out there, especially among seed stage companies. I've been amazed about how many people grumble about the "talent shortage", yet regularly miss interviews with "hot" candidates because of meetings, forget them altogether, or just lack a sense of urgency & speed when it comes to running an effective hiring process.

A large part of having a hiring culture is about decisiveness. Loosing a fantastic Engineer because you spent 4 weeks making up your mind, or you didn't want to pay an extra $10K/year is just silly when it means that you won't hit your product roadmap goals.

<comment><USER24> I think that is perhaps telling. Google doesn't interview you on your experience, but whether you can can solve network/graph algorithms taken from Knuth exercises. I would expect a random mess from that. It sounds like this person actually drilled down into what the candidate actually knew.

I think it is far more useful to ask somebody about what they actually did. Are they excited and engaged by it, did they come up with novel thoughts about it, do they understand the CS literature in relation to it, and so on. Program a hash table on the whiteboard when you have been just fine using the built in one in your favorite library or language? I'm not sure what that predicts about my on job performance. If I _had_ to do that I'd reread the literature and then whip one up, easy peasy. I can state that with confidence because I read the literature on other topics and do that every day. Have me explain the new numerical filtering technique I just implemented and I'll give you good interview. Ask me to implement a smart pointer? Not so much.

<comment><USER14> _Google doesn 't interview you on your experience, but whether you can can solve network/graph algorithms taken from Knuth exercises._

I believe this is a backdoor method to requiring a college degree for positions that do not require one within labor law.

<comment><USER25> This doesn't make sense to me on first read. I'm unaware of a labor law that requires you to interview people without college degrees. Care to elaborate?

<comment><USER14> I may have worded it wrong. A large swath of programming jobs do not require a college degree, and in those cases it's illegal to require one. This is why job ads will say, "Desired: College degree _or equivalent experience_." They don't describe it as a requirement for a reason.

<comment><USER25> It's _illegal_ to require one? Citation?

<comment><USER14> HN's linker requires you to manually add the period at the end:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co).

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER26> I disagree with "In most cases, the "best and the brightest" already have jobs, so you're really just on the lookout for the best available.". Just because one is employed does not mean one is taken. If you want the best you have to work at it. Appeal to their desires and they'll come to you. Looking for the "best available" is no better than settling. In my opinion you'll end up doing a disservice to both your company and the new hire.

<comment><USER27> Lets be honest Amazon is an online shop the best and brightest are either going to be working at tier 1 RnD or on wall street or the city.

<comment><USER28> Re Wall Street: It's unfortunate that some of our brightest are tempted into playing multi-million dollar poker, rather than focusing their energy on producing any significant long-term value.

I believe software engineering wages will continue to rise over time, and will eventually reflect the true value the industry produces.

<comment><USER29> I have no shame in admitting that I would rather use high-level mathematics and programming to play "multi-million dollar poker" on Wall Street than join half of the startups and big tech companies and have a boring job churning out insignificant apps at a desk.

In fact, the way you phrased it, being a quant sounds really fun :) you don't want to play multi-million dollar poker?

I mean, sure, meaning and existentialism and all that, but I bet it's at least somewhat exciting.

<comment><USER28> That's the fundamental problem. The function of the finance system in a healthy economy is to ensure efficient allocation of capital. Playing poker has a neutral to negative effect on the system.

<comment><USER29> Well you're the one who used the word poker, so I guess it depends on your definition here...but the financial system somewhat revolves around poker.

Valuations of companies are only important to investors because of the inherent gambling. If you purchase capital at a single valuation that never rises or falls, what's the point? Even an index fund pursues gradual increases over time.

...Or am I building a strawman here? Is this not where you were going?

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER30> Not related to the content, but why do sites like this disable pinchzoom? What value could it possibly add?

<comment><USER17> Yesterday I needed to look at source code on GitHub using my iPhone. Horizontal scrolling AND pinch-to-zoom were disabled, making it impossible to read lines of code wider than my phone screen.

 _Github_.

Why is this so hard?

</comment></comment><comment><USER31> You pass the interview process and then end up doing shit that monkey can be trained to do.

</comment><comment><USER32> one of the most important things - something that is difficult to suss out in an interview - is how well you (or your team) would work with a person. (i think this is perhaps the most important quality - definitely more important than being able to solve brain teasers.)

i've wondered lately if it'd be better, during an interview, to choose a problem that both you _and_ the candidate don't know...and try to solve it together...

</comment><comment><USER33> Moving away from "the best available" towards "not the worst possible" (who could potentially destroy our company) would be a good idea.

</comment><comment><USER34> What's notably lacking from this perfect interview is mention of referrals. I've had the best of luck with referrals as the managers I've worked with have never felt the need to "burn" me and could give an accurate assessment of the roles and responsibilities I have in my current job.

</comment><comment><USER35> without any data and careful analysis of that data, his opinion on how to hire is worthless.

it's somewhat disturbing that he likes to use the STAR framework, which normally leads candidates into artificial responses. is there any reason to believe that this framework leads to better results?</comment>


Ask HN: Which websites' visual design have inspired you lately? - <AUTHOR>

I'm about to start on the visual design of my latest project, so am looking for some inspiration. Posted here as I guess others might be interested in this too. <comment><USER2> <http://investors.dressrush.com/>

<http://squareup.com>

<http://feefighters.com> (go through the funnel to see what I mean) and their other page <http://samurai.feefighters.com>

<http://andyet.com>

</comment><comment><USER3> • <http://dribbble.com/>

• <http://www.kylesteed.com/>

• <http://usabilla.com/>

• <http://www.stamped.com/> (the app)

</comment><comment><USER4> Mailchimp (www.mailchimp.com)

Their UI/UX is fantastic. We're big users and they've seemingly thought of everything from the perspective of how the customer will use their service and tried to make it as intuitive/easy as possible.

</comment><comment><USER5> <http://twogiraffes.com> <http://kyan.com/> <http://www.glitch.com/>

</comment><comment><USER6> Have a look at collections on

1\. <http://patterntap.com> and

2\. <http://dribbble.com>

</comment><comment><USER7> <http://www.ideaswarm.com/> <http://www.theresumator.com/>

</comment><comment><USER8> <http://stripe.com/>

</comment><comment><USER9> I've been building this site for a client/partner: <http://www.bartonirwin.com> (unfinished; will soon replace: <http://www.aristaballroom.com>)... I'd welcome any feedback.</comment>


The Global Rise of Google Voice Search from 2015-16 (keyword Research) - <AUTHOR> http://www.seolondonsurrey.co.uk/blog/the-rise-of-google-voice-search-from-2015-2016 <comment><USER2> Interesting, so people may get used to talking to their mobile phones after all. Just wondering about the stats - why is the most common search "ok google ok google"?</comment>


$350k a Year, and Just Getting By - <AUTHOR> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/why-financial-confessionals-viral/600358/ <comment><USER2> Tens of thousands of people who live in SF pay way too much % of their income to stay in housing they cannot afford, and so don't save enough for the future. Common sense fail.</comment>


An elementary treatment of the Feynman sprinkler - <AUTHOR> http://fermatslibrary.com/p/38ba1a58 <comment><USER2> Direct link to PDF from 2003: [http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0312087.pdf](http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0312087.pdf)</comment>


Ask HN: I need to roll-out a Twitter clone fast - <AUTHOR> 2-3M users plus I need to host it in-house. What is my best bet? <comment> purple-dragon If you plan to roll your own, check out the stream framework: [https://github.com/tschellenbach/Stream- Framework](https://github.com/tschellenbach/Stream-Framework)

</comment><comment><USER2> Define "fast". If you need it today, buy a "canned" twitter script. If it's ~1 month, hire a bunch of developers.

Don't expect it to be near as good as twitter with any "fast" turnaround.

</comment><comment><USER3> Any of us that _could_ help you sure as shit wouldn't do so for free. What's the situation, exactly? How'd you fall into this?

<comment><AUTHOR> I just read the news today about Russia's ban on Linkedin on the grounds of protecting its citizens' personal data. A similar law is about to pass in my country Ecuador which forbids personal data to be stored outside the national territory. We have presidential elections in 15 weeks and I suspect the goal of this law is to block social networks during elections (so far the only media outlets not controlled by the _Revolution_ ). Call me paranoic but on the last street protests I saw how ISPs blocked Twitter images and videos (I was logged in using my local broadband and also through RDP I logged in from a US-based VPS).

I do not aim to compete with Twitter but hopefully have a plan B ready. Obviously something descentralized would be better to avoid domain/IP blocks or DDOS (blockchain or webtorrent maybe?)

<comment><USER2> Take a look at Twister [http://twister.net.co/](http://twister.net.co/)

<comment><USER4> Thanks for the link! Twister looks like a really good solution for many other use cases.</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Show HN: Check out my new blog on software development. - <AUTHOR>

First tutorial to date. Writing your first C program, includes a link at the bottom with a detailed look at printf() as optional reading.  I would love some feedback, as I intend writing up a lot of dev articles for people to learn from : www.xanthu.com/first-c-program <comment><USER2> clickable <http://www.xanthu.com/first-c-program>

<comment><AUTHOR> I didn't realise the board didn't just do that for me. Thanks.

<comment><USER2> You cannot post links directly unless of course you share a link. You can post it in comments by prefixing with <http://></comment></comment></comment>


Ask HN: Your ideas about creating an alternative to PowerPoint - <AUTHOR>

So we all know that there are flaws with both PowerPoint, and presentation aids in general. If you imagine the next generation of presentation aids, what are some problems that we can solve? <comment><USER2> _If you imagine the next generation of presentation aids, what are some problems that we can solve?_

Persuade users to use them less. See Edward Tufte for more on this.

[http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch- msg?msg_id=0...](http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch- msg?msg_id=0001yB)

<http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/ppt2.html>

Peter Norvig has a funny take on this too.

<http://norvig.com/Gettysburg/>

<comment><AUTHOR> I mean, my original intent here was to get a conversation about re-thinking the concept of a presentation aid, not to reiterate that they are bad.

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> You know, I like HN for a variety of reasons but idea sharing just isn't really one of them (for _me_ ). I haven't thought about this topic nor do I care to but here's the thing: if I did care to think about it, I wouldn't dare talk anonymously to a bunch of insanely smart, DIYers who can probably out- everything me on many levels.

So no, I will not contribute. Not because I have anything personal against you, OP, but because I think it's odd to ask the question and even stranger to reply with actual, usable content.

I know that may seem strange to some but that's okay; it seems strange to me that (a) you would ask, and (b) there are people who would respond with tons of great quality ideas that could be executed by MSFT/Apple/etc in their next release thus nullifying the potential for a small company to build "the next generation of presentation aids".

<comment><USER4> Worst response ever.

If it's still eligible for deleting you should do that now.

For God's sake man, you're the founder of an education resource!

<comment><USER3> Why is saying that "I don't think giving away ideas to massive corporations for free is a good idea because it ensures that startups will not be able to implement/grow those ideas" the worst response ever? This is a public forum that is monitored by who knows who - anyone looking for R&D could monitor this board for ideas. Who is the OP? His profile says, "student @ Hunter College" but his account was created 16 days ago. How do you know he/she doesn't work for MSFT/Apple and is just trying to get the HN community to do his/her work for them?

I think you are off on this one and, if there was an award for "Best overreaction of the day", I'd nominate your post.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> I don't see a lot of "flaws" with Powerpoint because its functionality is very simple.

I would say there are 4 key components to presentation:

1\. predetermined agenda/topics for discussion (what people use powerpoint for)

2\. ad-hoc discussion (whiteboards are a great tool for this)

3\. verbal communication (in-person or phone)

4\. non-verbal communication (in person or video)

To beat powerpoint in functionality, just have #1 + (2 and/or 3 and/or 4).

To beat powerpoint in marketshare...?

Also keep in mind that 3 and 4 are largely being met with products like gotomeeting or webex (and others). No one is encompassing all four as far as I know, so there could be something there.</comment>


Google spent $1.3 million on lobbying... what are they buying? - <AUTHOR> http://www.fastcompany.com/1623148/googles-spending-spree-lobbyists-travel-chips-or-servers?partner=rss

<comment><USER2> When you have a lot to protect, you have to pay up.</comment>


Refurbished Samsung Android Phones Sans Google Now Available - <AUTHOR> https://www.ibtimes.com/refurbished-samsung-android-phones-sans-google-now-available-2795252 <comment><USER2> How in the long term will this be any different from Google?

Reading the features of /e/, it recommends the use of a an @e.email account (like Google and their recommendation of a gmail account), /e/ runs their own cloud service for your files (like Google), and pre-installs apps of their choosing (like Google). I'm struggling to see the difference.

What I want is an open OS on my phone, with the ability to _properly_ remove any pre-installed apps, and to choose all my own apps from my own sources. And to be able to auto-backup my files to my own private cloud. That's the only way I'll feel properly in control of my own phone.

</comment><comment><USER3> I seriously wish they went with Motorola. Almost all phones are officially unlockable. They are also available at reasonable price (€100-200 - Moto G4 to newer ones). Sorry US hn readers, we Europeans do not (may be rarely have) have locked/carrier controlled phones.

<comment><USER4> > we Europeans do not (may be rarely have) have locked/carrier controlled > phones.

I think it's fairly common with subsidized pay as you go phones (at least in the UK), since the network has to earn back the subsidy somehow. With phones on a contract, it's not necessary since you're locked in to the contract, but even so, it at least used to be the rule that the phone would be locked to the network, but they would provide the unlock code once your contract was over.

EDIT: Yep, turns out all the major UK networks (except Three) lock phones: [https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and- internet/advice...](https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and- internet/advice-for-consumers/advice/mobile-phone-locking-and-unlocking)

<comment><USER5> It's now free to unlock on most networks (not EE) during contract, and MUST be free once the contract has ended.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> No, not "now available". _This is NOT a pre sale: you'll go through a 0€ checkout process (you won't be asked for any payment details). This is the best way for us to plan for volumes by market, and to keep you informed when products are available._

I have a Caterpillar-branded phone which has never run much Google software. I bought it new, and when it ran the startup program asking for a Google account, I answered "Later". Then I deleted the startup app, installed F-Droid, and deleted almost all Google stuff, although not Google Play Services. That breaks too much. Other than Google Play Services, you can turn almost everything Google off without side effects. Then install replacements from F-Droid's open source store.

That's the big headache - Google Play Services. Does /e/ have a good replacement for them?

<comment><USER2> /e/ bundles microG as a Google Apps replacement.

[https://microg.org/](https://microg.org/)

<comment><USER7> how good is this replacement? do most of the apps work? google apps like maps?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> This is well appreciated. I was recently shocked/surprised, after running a netstat, at the number of open network sockets. Even worse, stopping all apps with netguard, still lets 'system' open a connection to GOOG's servers! This is absolutely horrifying; I wonder what kind of data big brother Google has on me and billions like me.

</comment><comment><USER9> With device-independent ROMs and unlockable bootloaders, this is quite easy to do in a large set of recent phones. See [1] for a detailed list.

There are some model-specific glitches, though. Some manufacturers haven't implemented Treble HAL properly.

So, for the time being, I prefer running pure AOSP on a Pixel. Paradoxically, the best way to use Android but avoid Google is buying a Google phone.

[1] [https://github.com/phhusson/treble_experimentations/wiki](https://github.com/phhusson/treble_experimentations/wiki)

</comment><comment><USER10> One can also buy refurbished smartphones with Replicant:

[https://tehnoetic.com/mobile-devices](https://tehnoetic.com/mobile-devices)

</comment><comment><USER11> Sorry if I'm just being stupid, but aren't there other alternatives to /e/ already available?

</comment><comment><USER12> it's not clear to me but where is /e/ based? is it American or Chinese (or even Russia) based? how would that be different from Google, honest question, why should I trust it?

<comment><USER13> > it's not clear to me but where is /e/ based? is it American or Chinese (or > even Russia) based? how would that be different from Google, honest > question, why should I trust it?

I cant speak for where /e/ is based but the correct answer to why you should trust them is "you shouldn't", regardless of who the company is or their intent for as we know intent can and likely will change down the road.</comment></comment>


Memory Makers Plan to Cut NAND Flash Production - <AUTHOR> https://www.anandtech.com/show/14275/memory-makers-cut-nand-flash-production <comment><USER2> > three major manufacturers of NAND memory — Intel, Micron, and SK Hynix — > have announced that they will be taking measures to address the oversupply

Isn't that illegal? To fix the market by colluding and price fixing?

How is this different from the act that Mercedes, BMW and VW are getting fined for for colluding to not release emissions tech?

<comment><USER3> it's illegal if and only if it can be proven that they _coordinated_ their production cut.

They all respond to the same changing market conditions -- they can't just continue increasing their production when the price continues its downward spiral. Further, the largest producer Samsung hasn't joined the foray yet according to the article. Samsung is a big variable in this -- the company's expansion created the memory glut that drove the whole industry to record loss in 2015-2016.

The EU's antitrust authority claims that the automakers "coordinated" strategies to limit competition. This is probably not the case here.

<comment><USER4> >This is probably not the case here.

Why do we think that? Hasn't these companies and/or industry been caught and fined for illegally coordinating their efforts before?

<comment><USER3> Well, one of the reasons is that that's what we've expected all along.

When Samsung announced a major expansion in early 2010's, many analysts predicted the price glut in 2015-16 that followed. That memory price glut (and a record loss by all industry participants) in turn discouraged capex by memory makers that resulted in the 2017-18 boom we just witnessed. So now, the windfall during the last boom likewise encouraged higher capex and production increase that is now driving down the price and their bottom line again -- the industry nearly completes a full cycle and is at another trough marked by decrease in capex and production cut. There is really nothing too conspiratorial about this business cycle.

Sure, I think every memory makers at one point got caught price-fixing, but you can't just say they are colluding again just because they are all cutting production under unfavorable market condition (ie, lower demand/falling price).

<comment><USER5> Another important contributing factor is how well the manufacturers do at getting each generation of NAND to actually work. Samsung's 48L 3D NAND was a relative failure around the same time that their competitors were trying to get their first 3D NANDs working to overcome the limitations of planar NAND. That kicked off a serious shortage, so when almost everybody came out with successful, high-yield 64L 3D NAND around the same time, prices had a long way to fall. The current moves are attempts to ensure that the transition to 96L NAND doesn't continue the price drops.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Questions: 1\. Can someone explain why this is not a clear cut of a collusion? Didn't the same "cartel" get busted for this behavior a while ago? 2\. Why aren't they under tight regulation since they have a history of doing this?

<comment><USER3> because there is no proof of collusion. Absolutely no need for any further regulation.

<comment><USER6> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing)

They've pled guilty in the original DRAM price fixing collusion and they just got sued last year for the same charge, it's ongoing.

I can only guess that laws are more lenient in Asia and they can only be charged in US after the fact.

Edit: removed my opinion about getting sued again as that's off the topic.

<comment><USER3> > They've pled guilty in the original DRAM price fixing collusion and they > just got sued last year for the same charge, it's ongoing.

Now you are making stuff up. We are in 2018, not 2006. There is no regulatory investigation by any gov't antitrust agency. China's NDRC announced that they had "massive evidence" of price fixing by Micron, Samsung and SK Hynix, in 2018. It turned out they had nothing, so instead they tried to blackmail Samsung and SK Hynix to drop all pending and future patent lawsuits against China's domestic companies in exchange for dropping a multibillion dollar fine and antitrust violation that they couldn't prove.

You clearly haven't read the class-action lawsuit by Hagens Berman in which the law firm alleges that the memory companies "coordinated" by signaling each other via PR. Do you understand why the class lawsuit is not going anywhere?

<comment><USER6> Please provide sources to the NDRC case, that's why I asked in the first place about why this isn't collusion. My understanding is limited to the original 2006 case where these companies were in fact charged and fined by Department of Justice, that's not a made up story and I provided the source to that.

Telling me "no proof of collusion" without any source is the same as making stuff up.

Technically, we're in 2019 but that's off the topic.

<comment><USER3> Google "china ndrc dram price fixing -digitimes"

If you are citing Wiki, you probably know very little about the older 2006 case. You seem to make haste assumption on what, how, and who are involed this time around without any facts or understanding claims made by different parties.

> Telling me "no proof of collusion" without any source is the same as making > stuff up.

You are the one making accusation against the DRAM makers of price-fixing, it's your obligation to prove your allegations. The burden of proof is not on me to prove the negative (which is a logical fallacy).

<comment><USER7> I am highly suspicious of China's motivation for this. It happened at roughly the same time as news broke that the chinese stole Micron's technology. China is not exactly known for good or fair practices, and it would not be the first time they screwed over a foreign competitor and stole their tech to make a competitor.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Does this mean Intel's recently released high capacity SSD line (1 TB at 130€) will become more expensive?

<comment><USER9> Those drives are QLC (Quad-Layer Cell) which allows higher density at the cost of long term reliability. Higher density means more bits per wafer, which leads to lower cost per bit.

<comment><USER10> This also means speeds of 80MB/s once you fill up the SLC cache which is 2GB or so.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> I would have preferred to see this happening to the dram cartel, who actually did fix prices.

<comment><USER12> Micron and SK Hynix were/are apart of the DRAM cartel.

</comment></comment><comment><USER13> Well they were loosing a lot of money over the falling NAND prices

</comment><comment><USER14> All at once? Could be an accident but could be collusion

</comment><comment><USER15> Buy Samsung NAND, it's good and they keep making it.

<comment><USER16> They were the first to cut back supply. I'm guessing you work for them?

[https://www.techspot.com/news/79303-micron-follows- samsung-r...](https://www.techspot.com/news/79303-micron-follows-samsung- reducing-nand-dram-production-wake.html)

[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-30/samsung-p...](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-30/samsung- profit-misses-estimates-as-chip-demand-slides)</comment></comment>