Artist-Friendly JavaScript (startup idea?) - <AUTHOR> http://blog.iangilman.com/2010/05/artist-friendly-javascript.html

<comment><USER2> I think that's a great idea. Also include "for ux people" (not just artists).</comment>


Graphene Enables World's Lightest Wheelchair Design - <AUTHOR> https://weburbanist.com/2018/09/29/formula-1-mobility-graphene-enables-worlds-lightest-wheelchair-design/ <comment><USER2> It seems like a lot of references to "developed" but really it's just "designed".

Does one actual unit exist right now, or is this just a thought piece?

</comment><comment><USER3> The limited pictures (many just renderings?) make it look like it isn't collapsible? And as @aplummer mentioned the lack of real world photos makes it seem designed vs actually made..

</comment><comment><USER4> Probably, a couple of pounds saved is not important given the weight of a person on that wheelchair.

<comment><USER5> As someone who's helped wheelchair-bound people get around, I can say that the weight of a wheelchair - as well as easy collapsibility - matters a lot when moving people around by car.</comment></comment>


Wootoff today - <AUTHOR>

FYI: Woot.com is having a woot off today.<p>http://www.woot.com <comment><USER2> Hey, I dunno if anyone is interested, but a year or so ago I create a site to get woot updates via Email or Text message.

Check it out at <http://wootwatchers.com> and let me know what you think.

</comment><comment><USER3> A good example of the s3 chaos today, if I'm not mistaken

<http://s3.amazonaws.com/wootimages/wootoffdetour4.gif>

</comment><comment><USER4> maybe you should just point to it instead

<comment><AUTHOR> Woot has been submitted before so submitting it again wont create a new article...

<comment><USER5> Maybe once is enough...</comment></comment></comment>


Hiring Executives: If You've Never Done the Job, How Do You Hire Somebody Good? - <AUTHOR> http://bhorowitz.com/2010/10/14/hiring-executives-if-you%E2%80%99ve-never-done-the-job-how-do-you-hire-somebody-good/

<comment><USER2> In addition to technical competence I also look for a high level of intelligence and commitment in people, and personality wise, people that I can work well with and that can work well with me as well as work well with the team.

In the article it said, "It's also possible for an executive to be highly effective and profoundly influential while being totally despised. The latter is far better."

With me, this type of person would never make the final cut for two main reasons. 1. My concerns about team productivity and unnecessary turnover (most people vote with their feet when working for someone like this). 2. I believe that with a little extra effort I can find people who can do just as good of a job (or better) who will not be despised, making it a lot easier to attract A-Level talent to the company.

People talk, twitter, and post online about things like this. Word gets around. How many A-Level top performers would choose this type of atmosphere when there are better alternatives. Why put in a game room and other perks and then hire someone who the team will despise. That amounts to shooting yourself in the foot.</comment>


The Tragedy of Newcomb Mott, Who Thought He Could Walk into Soviet Russia - <AUTHOR> http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/newcomb-mott-soviet-border-death-boris-gleb <comment><USER2> Mathias Rust is another, more famous, unauthorized border-crosser. Thirty years ago, in May 1987, the then-18-year-old West German took off from Helsinki in his rented Cessna and due to various happenstances was allowed to not only enter the Soviet airspace unchallenged, but to fly all the way to Moscow and land next to the Red Square.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust)

Much less known, and much more tragic, is the story of two Finnish teenage boys who, in 1946, set sail from Helsinki in their small boat. Their intention was to voyage to Stockholm to meet some relatives, but as a result of extremely bad luck and post-war Soviet paranoia ended up in a forced-labor camp in Siberia.

[http://beaufortmagazine.fi/2014/08/seven-years- sailing/](http://beaufortmagazine.fi/2014/08/seven-years-sailing/)

<comment><USER3> This bizarre excerpt certainly piqued my curiosity:

>The boys decided to set up camp on a nearby island, but in the middle of the night they woke to a scream. It sounded like a woman's cry. "We were sure it was a maniac or something. You could hear cries from different directions." The boys decided to leave the island in the middle of the night.

Wish I knew what that was all about! Too bad we don't know what island they stopped on. Are there animals whose calls sound like a woman's screams?

Edit: Some Googling tells me they may have been hearing a group of red foxes.

<comment><USER4> > Are there animals whose calls sound like a woman's screams?

Rabbits and coyotes can make sounds that'll make you wonder what you just heard and if someone is in distress.

<comment><USER5> Mountain lion queens, too. Sounds like a murder in progress and carries for miles.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Interesting article. I've stood on the China side of a river between China and North Korea, more like a stream really, where I could almost throw a rock into North Korea. Still haven't worked up the courage to actually enter, though I understand if you don't do anything stupid it's pretty much safe to visit. This was up in Jilin Province, China, where Russia, China, and North Korea meet. I've been there a few times and must admit it still feels a bit surreal every time I'm there. I cant avoid recalling as a child during the Reagan era and "Red Dawn", I'd really considered that this place must be hell-on-earth, a communist axis-of-evil. But, it's a pretty cool place to visit.

<comment><USER7> Just do a guided tour... I've been there with "Young Pioneer Tours" (YPT), and have a picture waving a DPRK flag and having a beer on the North Korean side of the DMZ.

Just don't do anything stupid, or you might be detained, like 22 yr old Otto Warmbier from Ohio, who was also there with YPT and allegedly stole a propaganda poster, and is now in North Korean labour camp.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier)

Crossing illegally from China is something I would not do...

<comment><USER8> ..and from Cincinnati to. Oh Cincinnati.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> I don't agree with harsh punishment of innocents, but mess with strict regimes (this includes the US now) at your own risk:

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_nationals_deta...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_nationals_detained_in_North_Korea)

/edit

to add to my comment, remember that the moment you step over the border you are at the mercy of a regime that can treat you however it likes. It doesn't matter whether Otto Warmbier actually stole that poster or not, since he's spending 15 years in DPRK prison anyway.

<comment><USER10> > (this includes the US now)

Can you expand?

edit: I don't understand why this question was so poorly received. I didn't know what this was in reference to and now I know having been given proper information.

<comment><USER9> [https://youtu.be/V8U4Qn6iIIg](https://youtu.be/V8U4Qn6iIIg)

<comment><USER11> I didn't watch the entire video, so maybe it happened by the end, but I feel like he's going to have a bad time with the law at some point.

That said, it was pretty funny how he could just repeat "am I being detained?" until they all just gave up and let him go.

<comment><USER12> What you have to understand is that these videos are taken at checkpoints set up many miles from the border by Homeland Security. The point is that they can't detain you, even for a brief time, or search you or you car without probable cause, which they don't have (and you can always refuse to answer questions). However, there's no law against asking you to consent to a search, and if you do it's perfectly legal. In fact, they can ask in such a way that you assume that you have no choice, and that's still ok.

The videos (and there are tons of them) demonstrate over and over that if you refuse to answer questions and ask if you are being detained / are free to go, they will grudgingly admit that they can't stop you.

On the one hand, i love seeing people exercising their constitutional rights. On the other hand, the fact that there's a sort of secret handshake to get out of the situation when police are gaslighting you plays into the worst of the "sovereign citizen" conspiracy theories that if you write some magic words on your tax return you are exempt from paying taxes, and the like.

<comment><USER13> Here's one from Australia where some (drunk sounding) guys go through an alcohol test without stopping, which is illegal and with inevitable results. They thought they could use the 'am I under arrest?' strategy without understanding the situation at all.

That said, I can see how the border checkpoints that are nowhere near the border would be frustrating, and good on the locals for protecting their rights.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsoUArgpo9s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsoUArgpo9s)

<comment><USER14> Back in the 90s when parts of the UK were under martial law and armed paratroopers operated late night checkpoints, going through one could be fatal: [http://www.1in12.com/publications/archive/stories98/clegg.ht...](http://www.1in12.com/publications/archive/stories98/clegg.htm)

(I went to university with a relative of the murdered girl)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> At that time Soviet Union was shooting their own people, who would try to cross the border in opposite direction.

<comment><USER4> People accidentally cross borders.

Another well know case was three sailors from the UK, Canada, and New Zealand who accidentally sailed into Cambodian waters during the reign of Pol Pot. They ended up being burnt alive after months of torture at the infamous S-21 building.

<comment><USER16> Turns out the "burnt alive" part is unsubstantiated: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dawson_Dewhirst](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dawson_Dewhirst)

Still a terrible story, though.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> > Explore, yes, by all means, just not near politically fraught international > borders, even if you are a white man from America, with all the privilege in > the world to marshal

I'm not an English native, can someone explain me what would be the meaning of the verb to marshal in that sentence, in the context of using of the word "privilege". I don't want to misinterpret the last point.

<comment><USER9> It means he has a lot of privilege.

<comment><USER18> If one wanted to overthink this, one could say there is a "calculus of privilege" that depends upon context.

In many contexts (geographical and social contexts), being white, male and America adds up to maximum privilege.

But in other contexts, white and male usually add up to a positive -- but being American can subtract (which is why backpackers are returning to the habit of sewing the Canadian flag patch on their gear, even if they are from the US).

In the era of Trump, the attribute of being American has turned negative, in many places.

I suppose the bottom line is that if you are placing yourself in different contexts, don't assume that that calculus of privilege works the same way on the Russian border as it does in Virginia or Indiana.

And if you are a Sikh in the United States, that calculus, which was at best neutral, has now turned sharply negative, sad to say.

<comment><USER19> > In the era of Trump, the attribute of being American has turned negative, in > many places.

This is a wild generalization that in the past nine months of traveling, I have not experienced once. In fact you may be surprised to hear I found more Trump supporters in Morocco, of all places, than I did detractors.

Regardless, even if someone hates trump, for most people it does not also follow that they hate all Americans.

I would lose immediate respect for someone sewing the flag of another country on their backpack; it's so presumptuous, arrogant, and self absorbed.

<comment><USER20> Your post also seems like a wild generalization, to be honest.

I spent some time living abroad in the Bush years, in a variety of places where Westerners almost never go. (I hate the beaten path...if I can see photos of it on Flickr, I don't need to go there myself. That should help you figure out where all I've been ;) )

Based on the anti-American sentiment I saw there, then, anti-American sentiment in many parts of the world would not at all surprise me now.

And I didn't sew any flag on my backpack, but I sure didn't tell people I was an American; I speak another language well enough (and with an indistinct accent) that I usually told people I was from a non-Western country entirely.

If for nothing else, the haggling. Just passing as a non-Westerner got my prices in North Africa cut by 90% every. single. time.

Hah, maybe they just liked your money!

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> Amazing how an author can turn an interesting story sour so quickly. The "white privilege" thing doesn't even make sense here no matter how hard you try to make it fit.

</comment><comment><USER22> He should have taken a bicycle. At least recently, that, apparently was (I think this loophole has been closed) legal _" There, refugees face a new twist: Russian law bans foot traffic at the border and Norway fines drivers for carrying migrants across — meaning the only way to cross is by bicycle."_ ([https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-11-03/why-some-refugees- are...](https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-11-03/why-some-refugees-are-choosing- bike-across-russia-norway-border))

<comment><USER23> I have a journalist friend who covered this. Refugees from places like Syria would be shuttled through several countries by bus and train, but also often long distances by taxi, to land up in Nikel, where they'd have to pay some exorbitant price for a bicycle so they could get across the border into Norway. The law of course caused a huge market for bicycles in Nikel.

I wouldn't be surprised if some enterprising individuals in Norway bought the bikes back at reduced prices and shipped them back to Russia so the process could begin again.

</comment></comment><comment><USER24> "Explore, yes, by all means, just not near politically fraught international borders, _even if you are a white man from America, with all the privilege in the world to marshal_."

I found this closing remark rather unnecessary, especially since it was the fact that he was American that got him into this mess.

</comment><comment><USER25> Even after all the years that have passed, this story is still heartbreaking to read. And I was born in the soviet union.

</comment><comment><USER26> You don't need to be a foreigner to be murdered in a Russian prison. Look up Sergei Magnitsky.

</comment><comment><USER27> The last two sentences left a very sour taste in my mouth. Don't paint a naive adventurer mindset as some sort of white, male, American "privilege."

<comment><USER28> It is somewhat true.

Anyway, it is a fact that there are clear discriminations when it comes to traveling freely. I don't know if you have had a chance to become a non- american woman traveling to the U.S., but a lot of times the people at the consulate who approve your visa will start out from doubting you, and you have to go through troubles to prove that you are not a prostitute. I am not joking. This happens everyday, even for women who are legitimately visiting the U.S. to get a PhD, etc.

This means these people normally can't even imagine doing things like crossing the border illegally and get away with it. They have seen from past examples how harsh the society is to their kinds.

However sad this is, you can't really blame anyone for this because statistically speaking this happens a lot, and these people at the consulate were naturally trained to act that way over time. I have also seen a lot of illegal immigrants who came here naively thinking everything will work out, and just became illegal immigrants. They try to find a guy to marry so they can get out of the illegal status.

Also I cringe whenever I see the language "white male privilege" because this term itself assumes inherent superiority. A lot of liberal activists throw this language around without thinking, but this is completely missing the point. These racism, sexism, etc. exist all around the world and is not specific to a white country. If you go to another country where the majority is Asian or African or whatever, you no longer have "white male privilege", you are a second class citizen. The people from these cultures believe they are the most superior race/culture/etc. Which means the "White" from "white male privilege" is a made-up illusion for some of these Americans.

My point is, racism, sexism, etc. all exist and are very real. And they are contextual. I am not a social justice warrior but I do think people should know what's going on.

Just wanted to share my two cents.

</comment></comment><comment><USER29> It's been always the case of real-politik at play. Some people can get a multi-year business visa on arrival even if their passport is revoked (Snowden et al).

<comment><USER30> Do not confuse the 1970s Soviet Union with present-day Russia. There are indeed some similarities, but your comparison has so many differences that the only actual conclusion is "very different stuff is very different".

<comment><USER29> I don't think the intel agencies have changed much, they still swap operatives as they see fit, it's an established routine. Case in fact: Chapman vs Skripal.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER31> In Soviet Russia, passport control stamps YOU!

</comment><comment><USER32> Meanwhile, hundreds of people have been killed by guards while crossing the US-Mexico borders to immigrate. And several by vigilantes.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_deaths_along_the_Mexic...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_deaths_along_the_Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border#Incidents_of_Border_Patrol_use_of_force)

<comment><USER33> Enough with this Whataboutism.

<comment><USER32> Yeah, let's concentrate on a single incident from the cold war 60 years ago, and forget the yearly deaths to this day on our side.

Because whataboutism.

And also they're mexican, and our side deemed it OK to kill them, so they would have their reasons.

(As I wrote before, invocation of whataboutism is the laziest intellectual excuse to put things in perspective and to be vigilant about all sides. It's "lalala" hands on the ears denial pretending to care).

<comment><USER34> Let's also not forget the sack of Baghdad in 1258. You're deliberately highjacking a thread that's about a specific story with something completely different. This isn't 'caring' or some unflinching exercise of intellectual rigour. It's just inane.

<comment><USER32> > _You 're deliberately highjacking a thread that's about a specific story > with something completely different._

Where by "something completely different" you mean "with something of the exact same nature (people killed because of crossing a border) that still occurs often today"?

Conversations naturally expand to similar stories and greater lessons and perspective on things. Heck, a Rust announcement on HN will almost always expand to discussing type theory or static-vs-dynamic languages, Golang and C++ and same with everything else. That's what different _threads_ are for.

What's inane is to artificially constrain a discussion, just to never break the echo chamber.

<comment><USER35> No, the proper analogy is to vent against Java multi threading complexity in a Go concurrency topic, which serves nothing but distraction to the discussion.

To illustrate that, how about we talk about the brutal crackdown of illegal immigration in Russia: [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/06/russia- immigra...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/06/russia-immigrants- concentration-camps)

Or expand even further -- to understand the anti-immigration sentiment -- let's discuss how the Chinese "invade" Russia's far east: [http://thediplomat.com/2016/01/russia-china-and-the-far- east...](http://thediplomat.com/2016/01/russia-china-and-the-far-east- question/)

See my point?

You're free to open a new thread about US immigration issues. In fact there're already plenty of ongoing threads exploring the bad side of the politics, society, economy in the US. Are you worried your new thread wouldn't pique the interest around here?

<comment><USER32> > _To illustrate that, how about we talk about the brutal crackdown of illegal > immigration in Russia:_

Not sure what the point is though. Why shouldn't we talk about this (brutal crackdown of illegal immigration in Russia) in a subthread on this article?

It also seems totally relevant, e.g. to compare USSR-era border control to today's Russia, etc.

> _Are you worried your new thread wouldn 't pique the interest around here?_

No, I'm worried about artificially limiting discussion to very narrow confines around a single particular topic.

Which doesn't even make sense. How much stuff can anybody here say about Mott's case in particular? And what's to say about it specifically that's not already in TFA?

It's the wider implications and issues around that that we all can contribute something to, and that's what makes conversation interesting.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER36> How do you know he was not an spy?

Spies don't have the name "spy" on the forehead, but are people that serve their country obtaining information from another (preferably)with some excuse or alibi.

History tells us that anyone could be a spy, from sailors to tailors, including prostitutes.

I had family members in former Soviet Republics. Some of them risked their lives running away. That someone intelligent was so naive to not understand the danger is unconceivable for me. Norwegians knew for sure and told him.

<comment><USER30> "A naïve tourist" and "spy pretending to be a naïve tourist" are hard to distinguish without further data - it is impossible to tell either way.</comment></comment>


How to establish password-less login with SSH - <AUTHOR> http://codingforpost.blogspot.de/2014/05/infrastructure-how-to-establish.html This is a simple write up how to connect to over ssh to a remote computer without entering a password. <comment><AUTHOR> Thank you. If you would know my industry - you would be quite amazed how backwards post production is. You will find often trainees renaming hundreds of files manually and similar smart things. I started that blog to bring better IT and understanding into the industry.

</comment><comment><USER2> Welcome to 2007</comment>


Ask HN: What is the notice period for your current role? - <AUTHOR> <comment><USER2> In the U.S. the standard for most positions is 2 weeks, and for key positions 30 days. Most executives have it listed in their employment agreement, which is commonly 30 days. C level execs generally range from 30 to 90 days. The larger the organization the longer the notice period in general, I have seen a few extend up to 120 days but that isn't super common. It also isn't uncommon for a C level exec to give 120-180 days notice even if it isn't required.

In the U.S. the vast majority of workers work in a right to work situation, which means you could quit & walk out today and there is nothing the employer can do about it. Likewise, an employer can fire you and only pay out what they owe you in salary and benefits and not provide any severance too.

Of course some people work under unions too which changes everything, but that is not common with professional positions, and definitely not in technology. But even in those situations the notice periods are still pretty typically 2 weeks or 1 pay period, and generally do not exceed 30 days. But each union has negotiated agreements so that can vary of course.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> OP here. I'm based in the UK and I've noticed a mix of 1 and 3 month notice periods here among people I've asked across various experience levels. What's more, I've been surprised how hard it is to actually find out this info... I've asked some recruiters outright and have had to push the matter before they answered. It's obviously a pretty awkward question to bring up when you're trying to convince someone to hire you so I do wonder if that leads to people agreeing to 3 month notice periods that they wouldn't have done so had they known early in the process.

Was wondering a few things beyond the main question:

(a) how do you feel about your notice period

(b) if you've worked at places with drastically varying ones, were there clear pros to the extended notice period? were these at all mutual for the employee and the employers? (assuming it applies to more than the most senior staff, I've seen obvious gains from having _vital_ people remain for 3 months to pass on knowledge if nothing else that greatly helped everyone else)

<comment><USER3> Notice periods are very clearly stated in employment contracts. They have to.

It's not really something that needs to be discussed early in the hiring process: best not to show that you are worrying about leaving before they have even decided whether they want you to join at all!

Most common is indeed 1 month and it depends on the company. Some have 3 months.

This usually works both ways so it also means that they would have to give you 3 months of notice to lay you off (in addition to whatever legal procedure is required).

I doubt that trying to force you to give them a longer notice that they have to give you would be a fair term.

In my current role the notice is 1 month. In my previous role it was 3 months, which worked out well since they ended up making the whole team redundant. In both cases this is the standard company contract and they wouldn't budge on this for a 'simple' engineer.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> I'm in the US. Never had a notice period specified in a contract.</comment>


The Best Advice My Dad Ever Gave Me (for Demo Day) - <AUTHOR> http://distributionhacks.com/the-best-advice-my-dad-ever-gave-me-1

<comment><USER2> As someone who has started a business in the finance space trying to leverage technology, I take some offense to this. My business partners and I have worked our asses off over the last several years to get to where we are today: billions of dollars in assets powered by our investment models. Trust me: asking someone to give you money to put in your strategies is not easy. Unlike the start-up space, there is no "minimum viable product," "traction" metric, or even "asset" that has some intrinsic value (like a unique algorithm or brand). You either have a track record, or you don't. New strategies don't, so it's all "trust." Sure, I can show a "back-test" or "stress-test" -- but everyone knows those are bullshit anyway.

You think you know stress? Imagine knowing that every day, your models are making investment decisions for billions of dollars. Sure, it's a drop in the overall pool of assets in markets, but it is enough to keep you up at night, worried about someone's retirement or someone's college fund. Drop a few more percentage points than the market? Goodbye hundreds of millions of dollars. Yep, that's going to happen at 50 when you start your "easy life" as a hedge- fund manager.

I'm not saying my stress is greater. I'm just trying to make the point that every business has its own share of problems, and to say that being a tech entrepreneur takes any more balls than being any other kind of entrepreneur is naive.

Can we please stop, as a community, with the "woe is us, the tech entrepreneur?" It's embarrassing. Starting a business is starting a business, no matter the industry. In fact, I'd argue that we live in a golden age for tech entrepreneurship that has never existed in another industry. Imagine trying to start a bio-tech business or a manufacturing business (well, arguably "outsourcing" could be the manufacturing entrepreneur's "scale"...). There are no "seed" rounds. The assets you have to raise are probably 100x what a tech entrepreneur has to initially raise. On top of trying to build a product, you probably have to manage building and factory development, understand legal regulations for your industry, and manage tons of labor.

We live in a time where you can roll the dice and start a business in the tech space with a handful of smart people, some elbow-grease and maybe $50k in a seed round. This is a golden era.

I respect the hell out of what you are doing -- starting a business is NOT easy -- but please don't say it takes any more balls than starting a business in any other industry. It doesn't.

<comment><USER3> I see Dad's advice as going for something that can have more meaning to you and for which you need balls then for the safe/low risk model.

It's not about stress, it's about the need of the individual to make a difference. Doing something that has been done before it's not that exciting for a 20-ish year old. But someone older will take comfort in it.

<comment><USER2> I am a 20-ish year old and despite "what I do" has been done before, the "way I do it" never has -- and that is plenty "exciting." There is nothing safe or low-risk about starting a hedge fund.

I get your point about "having more meaning" -- but I'd argue that is true for any business endeavor, not just tech startups. If what I was doing didn't have truly personal meaning for me, there is no way I could stomach the stress.

Maybe I'm overly sensitive because the article seemed to compare the easy hedge fund life to the tough tech start-up life, which I think is a gross over exaggeration in the divergent profile: I believe that they are tremendously similar.

<comment><USER3> I think you're reading into it too much, and you're taking it too far away from the context between Dad and Daughter. This is, and will be, their own personal experiences. For some starting a hedge fund can be seen as high-risk, when for someone that has run one for years (Dad's case) or for someone that's been around one for years (Daughter's case) it can be seen as low-risk.

If Dad was an MD he would've said don't become a surgeon, do research and try to change current procedures. At least that's my take on the blog.

<comment><USER2> As I said, I am likely over-sensitive to these issues; finance isn't exactly the most well-respected industry at the moment.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> The author, rightly, makes the point that finance, like most things, is primarily about trust. But that's about the most interesting thing in the article.

Capital introductions are hard, and everyone wants to cosy up to someone looking for a 'home' for their excess millions. It's an environment where a couple of dudes/dudettes with laptops and an idea might have a potentially successful hedge-fund idea but lack the credibility and track record to make the risk worthwhile for a potential investor. The investor could lose a lot of money very quickly if _your_ idea is wrong. The chances are, that if your idea is 'right' they'll listen to you explain it (because you really will need to explain it in depth) and then go and find someone who they _do_ trust to implement it for them.

My point is that, it would be very hard for me to gain sufficient trust from prospective investors to raise $200m because I don't have any contacts or access to the necessary capital.

However, the daughter of a financial advisor for high-net worth individuals is playing a very different game to me. She very well might easily be able to do, what I easily can not. So, for me at least, there's nothing of interest in this article. I'm pleased for Elle to be in such a great position and wish her well.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks for the kind wishes. I think what I (the OP) failed to convey in my post is that going into finance, given my background, would have been the easy way out for me. Having someone tell me "oh you could totally do X" when I thought X was this crazy out of reach thing, made me re-evaluate whether other things I had put on the crazy shelf were do-able, too. Like founding a startup.

<comment><USER4> Yes, that makes more sense. In which case it feels like the point of the post is more to do with following your own path before accepting the path that is 'mapped' out?

Perhaps you actually say this in the post somewhere, but it I don't recall seeing it. IMHO it would make an interesting article if you emphasised that point more.

In my experience there is something to be said for NOT always following the money but following the 'fun'. More than once the 'fun' turned out to be surprisingly lucrative after all ... :)

<comment><AUTHOR> Absolutely agree, and happily that has been the case for me too! I think there is a lot more I could say about not following the path, I have been very contrarian and given the people who love me a lot of extra gray hairs. I think it was pretty nuanced in the post, I'm trying this more conversational style with dialogue.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> I'm beginning to come to this realization myself - having balls is one of the most important factors of having success (no matter what success means to you, whether it's social, financial or something else).

If you don't have the balls to do the things necessary to archive the things you want, with all your energy and will behind it, you simply won't archive it.

Most people doesn't even try to do the things they fear, just a small minority does. Of the small minority just a few tries with everything they have, most of them unfortunately holds back because of their fear of failure. A fear of failure is preventing them from giving it everything they've got.

<comment><USER6> its not always fear of failure. Sometimes you have to pragmatic too. For instance, doing a startup in Bay area with a family is not practical for a lot of people, especially given the current rental/living expenses.

<comment><USER7> _doing a startup in Bay area with a family is not practical for a lot of people, especially given the current rental/living expenses._

That's still fear of failure, only in that case, the fear may be well founded. If they fail, they cannot feed their family, so they are afraid of failing and probably for good reason.

<comment><USER8> It's not fear of failure. It's possible that there are people who couldn't do a startup even if guaranteed 100% chance of success in 10 years due to the stress/lack of money in the mean time.

<comment><USER9> IMO the calculation in that situation is _risk of ruin_.

The higher your financial obligations are, the more weight the _ruin_ side of the equation holds.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> For me, this story was most interesting because it demonstrates the impact of social class in America, something that's rarely discussed. Try to picture the same story if the author's father was a millwright or a construction worker.

Not at all a criticism of the author - we absolutely should work with the advantages we're given!

<comment><USER11> Same here, very interesting read. My only minor criticism is that it seems a little insensitive or dishonest when every well-to-do family calls themselves "upper middle class." So you can manage billions in assets and still be middle class? I call people on it when this comes up and find that they either see it as a social faux-paux to call oneself upper class, or the subjective threshold to be considered upper class is ridiculously high at 0.1% or whatever. Sorry, when your father manages billions there's no middle. Just a minor quibble because, for being upper class, Danielle is refreshingly honest and open about her background. I greatly appreciate that.

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> This might sound uncouth but that's the dad I wish I'd had.

<comment><USER13> I was thinking the same. My dad died when I was 2 years old and reading this makes me realize that I never had the sort of guidance through life Danielle seem to have had.

So, I'm sitting here sipping my first coffee of the day and have a huge feeling of being directionless. Maybe the blog post was "drivel" to some here, but not to me.

<comment><USER7> I felt very very similar to you.

My own dad died when I was 8, so while he was around for some of my life, I was still much too young to get the guidance that I wish I'd got. On the other hand, I'm not doing too bad now, but sometimes I wonder if maybe I would be doing better if I had someone like that helping me. Then again, I don't really know what kind of dad he would have been as I got older - and he certainly wasn't anything fancy like a financial adviser, so I don't know what kind of advice or guidance I would have had - but I like to think it would have been beneficial. Sigh.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> I really liked this article. More generally, I think deliberately choosing to do the "hard" things first (whatever that means to you as an individual) has served me well in life. I wish I did it more often.

At a former company, in a large group setting, I was asked to identify what I thought was the biggest roadblock to the company's success. I hesitated to comment because I knew my answer would be controversial. But, taking the bull by the horns, I answered, "Fear." I felt (still do) that when people are nervous about their careers or how they will be perceived, then they tend to censor themselves, sometimes without even realizing it. If the company took a deliberate approach to making the company a safe place (safe to disagree, safe to take risks, etc) then it would be a major benefit and help improve both morale and performance.

The CEO immediately disagreed. She didn't like the idea that any of her employees (200+) might be feeling some form of fear. Trying to address an issue like that is hard because it implies that high-ranking employees and "leadership" types were acting in a way that caused fear. It didn't even have to be deliberate or conscious. She would've had to do a lot of soul-searching, a lot of questioning the actions of her direct reports, many of whom were friends, and a lot of listening to frustrated employees.

I think it's pretty common to avoid hard things. So I try to tackle the hard things first. I think I learn more and it gets me out of my comfort zone. And the benefits are normally much greater too.

</comment><comment><USER15>
        creating a hedge fund, or any kind of fund, was something i should be thinking about in my 40s or 50s when I wanted a more traditional role in finance with a lower risk/reward profile.

Many of the more prolific hedge funds were started by people much earlier in life. David Einhorn, for example, started his fund at 28.

</comment><comment><USER16> I hate to be _that_ guy bitching without offering any constructive criticism, but this was painful to read. At least I had the courtesy to stick it through to the end to be sure before I posted this. We deserve better than this drivel at the top of HN.

<comment><AUTHOR> Okay. I'm just telling my stories, I'm not entitled to the #1 spot and I'm not canvasing votes (ok, I asked my husband to vote). If a couple of people read this and got fired up to have some balls and take some risk, that's good enough for me.

<comment><USER17> Well, at least you're straightforward that this is your storytelling time. I come to HN for the increasingly rare high signal:noise ratio content and discussion. Given that I don't think HN is the proper medium for this kind of expression.

I read more of your blog and see that you think these are 'troll posts'. They're not.

<comment><AUTHOR> I don't think you are trolling, I just can't control what makes it to the front page or not. Clearly this resonated with some people. I am not sure why my story as a startup founder isn't the right kind of stuff for HN, I've been a part of this community for a long time and posted a broad range of stuff from code to news to marketing advice and on and on... I'm not trying to fit the mold, I'm just sharing my experiences and its way to late for me to get apologetic about it

<comment><USER18> I really respect your attitude towards the haters. I love learning things from you Danielle, keep it up.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER19> Some people are extremely competent but are risk averse, so they don't take the risk that's necessary for success. Others are risk tolerant but are not very capable, so they are unlikely to succeed despite taking the risk. The trick is to be in both groups simultaneously. So if you know in your heart of hearts that you are competent, then it is worth taking the risk.

</comment><comment><USER20> successful trader:analyst with clever idea::successful founder:wantrepreneur

</comment><comment><USER21> Cool read and all but I work at a hedge fund that is currently raising capital... It's nice that our parents always overestimate us

<comment><AUTHOR> Yeah, seriously! You could say its the upside of entitlement, since not believing something isn't for you frees you to go after all sorts of crazy things.

There's a lot to write on that subject. Good luck with your raise!

</comment></comment><comment><USER22> Where does that really cool Kudos widget come from on distributionhacks.com?

<comment><USER23> Its a part of all blogs on svbtle.com</comment></comment>


Chrome 59 stable released - <AUTHOR> https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2017/06/stable-channel-update-for-desktop.html <comment><USER2> As others have mentioned, the most exciting thing about Chrome 59 is that it is the first release with headless support. I wrote a guide a while back on running headless Chrome with Selenium that someone might find interesting if they're interested in trying out Chrome in headless mode [1]. It's quite a bit easier now that the stable channel is on version 59 and I just updated the guide to specify which steps are no longer necessary.

[1] - [https://intoli.com/blog/running-selenium-with-headless- chrom...](https://intoli.com/blog/running-selenium-with-headless-chrome/)

<comment><USER3> Lots of people are mentioning headless support, but has it made it to Windows?

<comment><USER4> Headless in Windows is fully supported in Chrome 60, which is now the Beta. Mac and Linux are in great shape as of 59.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Has there been any research on whether Material Design has superior UX for desktop use?

I've just tried the new settings screen on Chrome 59, and personally I find it far, far worse than what it was previously. I hate this trend of hiding essential top-level navigation behind a hamburger menu, especially on desktop.

<comment><USER6> I struggle with what things are buttons in material design. Everything looks flat, so clickable things look like labels to me. Especially buttons that aren't rectangles.

<comment><USER7> Try reading a material design page or app on a shitty old TN display and you are in for a treat. It is virtually impossible to tell forground from background because all the "light gray" colors look the same on such a display and the gray-ness also changes with the viewing angle.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> I was expecting the easy path to display certificate view (removed in 56) to be returned in 59 [1], but apparently it will be in 60 behind a flag [2].

[1] [https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=663971](https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=663971)

[2] [https://textslashplain.com/2017/05/02/inspecting- certificate...](https://textslashplain.com/2017/05/02/inspecting-certificates- in-chrome/)

<comment><USER9> I still don't get why they did this. It's just a huge step back in every single way I can think of.

<comment><USER8> For now, you can star the issue I linked to.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> For those interested: headless is coming to Firefox as well. [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1338004](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1338004)

<comment><USER11> Forgive the ignorance; what is headless?

<comment><USER12> A browser instance without a graphical interface. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headless_browser](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headless_browser)

<comment><USER11> What's the benefit of this? My uneducated guess would be faster automated testing?

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> With the new optimizing compiler (Turbofan) landing, JavaScript `Exception` are now usable without significant performance penalty: great news !

A bit of context: v8 used to have troubles optimizing code which contained `try/catch` sections, which led to massive performance issues on hot parts of the code in Chrome and deterred a lot of people from using Exceptions in JavaScript (including node). Glad to see this bug finally fixed !

More infos on the new v8 stack here: [https://v8project.blogspot.fr/2017/05/launching-ignition- and...](https://v8project.blogspot.fr/2017/05/launching-ignition-and- turbofan.html)

</comment><comment><USER14> Can someone explain or point me to a good source of info on why headless Chrome is a big deal? (Not being snarky; I really want to know).

<comment><USER15> Advanced web scraping simplified - the ongoing war between people who want content vs. those who want to make sure only the "right" people can get their content just shifted dramatically!

<comment><USER16> Is there a good documentation on chrome's remote debugging protocol? I'm trying to implement a python wrapper[1] around the protocol, but I can't find some good docs.

[1] [https://github.com/yifeikong/chrome_remote](https://github.com/yifeikong/chrome_remote)

<comment><USER15> Sorry I'm not sure. What I am sure of is that you can google as well as me (if not better) on this subject, but here goes:

[https://github.com/ChromeDevTools/awesome-chrome- devtools#ch...](https://github.com/ChromeDevTools/awesome-chrome- devtools#chrome-devtools-protocol) has a buch of pointers and mentions the Python-based [https://github.com/iiSeymour/chromote](https://github.com/iiSeymour/chromote) (235 stars) - if you've got something going, try to add your project to the list!

Also found [https://github.com/minektur/chrome_remote_shell](https://github.com/minektur/chrome_remote_shell) (51 stars) and [https://github.com/mirumee/chromedebug](https://github.com/mirumee/chromedebug) (26 stars)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> I thought they were dropping some support of SSL certificates in regards to symantec [0] starting in 59 but I see no mention in this post (unless I missed it). does anyone have further information? I am not familiar with blink process however allowing insecure creation of ssl certificates seems like the wrong way forward.

[0] [https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!msg/blink-d...](https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!msg/blink- dev/eUAKwjihhBs/rpxMXjZHCQAJ)

<comment><USER18> Google and Symantec settled on this. Symantec will create new certificate roots which will be cross-signed by both their existing roots and another certificate authority. This allows the trust in the existing roots to be removed in the long term and it has significantly less impact for current Symantec customers than the original proposal.

A good summary of the latest developments can be found on [https://www.thesslstore.com/blog/google-and- symantec/](https://www.thesslstore.com/blog/google-and-symantec/)

</comment></comment><comment><USER19> The real update is in the DevTools: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjjlwAvV8Jg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjjlwAvV8Jg)

<comment><USER20> Is there a particular timestamp I should jump to?

<comment><USER21> Check out the blog if you prefer to read about it

[https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2017/04/devtools-r...](https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2017/04/devtools- release-notes)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER22> Anyone seeing a failure in [https://websocketstest.com](https://websocketstest.com) (Chrome 59.0.3071.86) ?

[https://websocketstest.com/result/7629067](https://websocketstest.com/result/7629067)

It works fine on Firefox 53.0.3 and 55.0a1 (Nightly).

Console says:

 _scriptaculous.js:31 A Parser-blocking, cross site (i.e. different eTLD+1) script,[https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/scriptaculous/1.8.3/bu...](https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/scriptaculous/1.8.3/builder.js), is invoked via document.write. The network request for this script MAY be blocked by the browser in this or a future page load due to poor network connectivity. If blocked in this page load, it will be confirmed in a subsequent console message.See [https://www.chromestatus.com/feature/5718547946799104](https://www.chromestatus.com/feature/5718547946799104) for more details._

 _WebSocket connection to 'wss://wss.websocketstest.com/service' failed: Error in connection establishment: net::ERR_INSECURE_RESPONSE_

EDIT: Disabling "disallow-doc-written-script-loads" has not effect.

</comment><comment><USER23> Has reverse image search on right click ( Search Google image / Search Google for this image [1] ) been removed off late, from Chrome?

Now all I have on right click is "Copy image address".

That's a fairly heavily used feature. Surely, they couldn't have done away with it.

Didn't find any posts of substance in the product forums either.[2]

Some have suggested that removing Google as the default search engine rids the right click of that feature. However my default search engine has never been not Google.

[1] [https://www.andrewhawkes.co.uk/images/articles/search- google...](https://www.andrewhawkes.co.uk/images/articles/search-google-for- image-right-click.jpg)

[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pYcECahKm44/VLAMW-n7hQI/AAAAAAAAAc...](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pYcECahKm44/VLAMW-n7hQI/AAAAAAAAAcI/ifBgShdSkgo/s1600/image- search.png)

[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-USmwx_yMwIU/Uheyv5gRzBI/AAAAAAABL...](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-USmwx_yMwIU/Uheyv5gRzBI/AAAAAAABL7w/eXC- gSm0JT8/s640/chrome-search-by-image.png)

[2]

[https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/websearch/Qa_...](https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/websearch/Qa_EOcArKvc;context- place=forum/websearch)

<comment><USER24> "Search Google for Image" is still there for me, even on the latest Chrome Beta channel build.

macOS Sierra Version 59.0.3071.86 (Official Build) beta (64-bit)

<comment><USER23> Thanks to all who replied!

I found the solution to this bug in a post on the Google Chrome Help Forum from way back; 11/28/10 to be precise.

Solution for anyone else who happened on this bug:

[https://productforums.google.com/d/msg/chrome/sq- RT8-eIm8/ZM...](https://productforums.google.com/d/msg/chrome/sq- RT8-eIm8/ZMLbaXAI3KsJ)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER25> The portable version was also posted yesterday: [https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/google_chrome_portabl...](https://portableapps.com/apps/internet/google_chrome_portable)

It's handy for trying it out without installing the full app and update service on Windows. Or for running Stable, Dev, Beta on the same machine with separate profiles without needing command line switches.

</comment><comment><USER26> This version of Chrome has support for running headless (without the need for a graphical environment at all). Awesome for automation and testing.

</comment><comment><USER27> Does Chrome 59 come with Ignition / Turbofan for V8 enabled ?

If i read this correctly, it does ...

[https://v8project.blogspot.com/2017/05/launching-ignition- an...](https://v8project.blogspot.com/2017/05/launching-ignition-and- turbofan.html)

</comment><comment><USER28> Running Linux and i3wm. After updating to 59, Chrome didn't seem to automatically detect my DPI settings, so I had to manually specify the scale with

       --force-device-scale-factor

Previously did not have to do this.

</comment><comment><USER29> Nice! APNG is finally supported.

<comment><USER30> Thanks for the heads-up, now I can remove that extension!

[https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/apng/ehkepjiconegk...](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/apng/ehkepjiconegkhpodgoaeamnpckdbblp?hl=en)

</comment></comment><comment><USER31> One I've been looking forward to for a while: native notifications on OSX!

</comment><comment><USER32> I'd like to make 'screenshots' for different pages on my server. Is there a way to do this with headless chrome without restarting chrome each time? Some sort of easy to use API for this?

<comment><USER33> [https://github.com/wkhtmltopdf/wkhtmltopdf](https://github.com/wkhtmltopdf/wkhtmltopdf)

</comment></comment><comment><USER34> I have been using request blocking in developer tools for the last month. It's really made some aspects of development easier for me. I hope Firefox follows suit and adds it.

</comment><comment><USER35> This finally kills CentOS 6 support...

</comment><comment><USER36> I have been using the headless mode for a while (on unstable). It's been awesome!

</comment><comment><USER37> Headless chrome is very exciting

</comment><comment><USER38> What is the difference between Chrome and Chromium these days?

<comment><USER39> IIRC Chromium is Chrome without the Google stuff.

<comment><USER40> Also, chrome has inbuilt flash support maintained by Google.

<comment><USER39> And Chromium apparently does not ship with H264, interesting!

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER41> yea headless for CI!

</comment><comment><USER42> When will they fix [https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=423609...](https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=423609?)! It's really annoying to find this one when you're getting companies to switch to Chrome from IE and end up with this in your lap instead :(</comment>


Kong raises $43M Series C for its API Gateway - <AUTHOR> https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/28/kong-raises-43m-series-c-for-its-api-platform/ <comment><USER2> Not to take anything away from Kong's accomplishment but this article was written 2 months ago. Here's the Press Release from Kong dated March 28th 2019:

[https://konghq.com/press-release/kong- raises-43-million](https://konghq.com/press-release/kong-raises-43-million)

<comment><USER2> Previous discussion:

[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19512025](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19512025)

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> As someone who works as a software developer in Japan this is awesome. Kong is one of the few companies allowing remote work even outside of North America so I'm glad to see that they're growing.

</comment><comment><USER4> When I first read the headline, I was surprised that the same maker of my dog's ultra-tough chew toys [1] was branching into tech B2B.

[1] [https://www.kongcompany.com/](https://www.kongcompany.com/)

<comment><USER5> Thought this was about Kongregate, which is often shortened to Kong.

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> Happy for them. I know that Kong uses openResty with which I have worked and I hope some of that money goes into it.

On another topic, why would I use Kong instead of it's competitors built on envoy and with higher integration with kubernetes? Maturity?

<comment><USER7> > why would I use Kong instead of it's competitors built on envoy and with > higher integration with kubernetes?

If you have kubernetes, you might prefer that. But Kong is also useful in scenarios that don't involve kubernetes at all.

<comment><USER8> Disclosure - I work at Kong.

Kong has a native kubernetes ingress controller. A large portion of our customers use us with K8s

<comment><USER6> I didn't know that, seems interesting. I will try it the first chance I get. Thank you

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> Can someone please explain me as a programmer, what value Kong could bring to my digital products?

<comment><USER10> This answer is a more "what value does an API Gateway provider bring" than Kong specific as it's been a couple of years since I did an in-depth comparison of the different options.

Say you have some developed kind of consumable service (think like fraud detection, geolocation, or machine learning recommendations, whatever) then using Kong or another API Gateway as a service type offering is a way to handle big chunks of all the boring but necessary infrastructure needed to bring that to market.

This is stuff like setting up plans, accepting payments, rate limiting, issuing and revoking api keys, docs, etc.

API Gateway's function like a proxy or CDN where api.example.com goes to blah.kong-api-service.com which then requests back to your-app- server.example.com so they're able to do these things without needing to get into your code.

<comment><USER11> Thank you.

I wish we had a little plain English summary like this for ... every company ;)

<comment><USER12> That's the job a marketing website should do.

<comment><USER11> Maybe.

The thing is "marketing" is usually what I'm trying to avoid when trying to understand what the company actually does.

<comment><USER13> I often look at the Wikipedia entry for companies or tech products after trying to unsuccessfully decipher the marketing babble on their website.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> Seriously thought this was an article about Kong the dog toy company.</comment>


Nokia's Windows Phone 7 concept revealed - tomh- http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/exclusive-nokias-windows-phone-7-concept-revealed/

<comment><AUTHOR> Not gonna lie those looks sick. I also really liked using the Windows Phone interface, when I played around with it in a T-Mobile store the other day. I prefer it to Android.

I was an iPhone 3G user for a while, then went to the darkside with a MyTouch 3G, then Nexus One, and yesterday I picked up a VZW iPhone 4. I can honestly say that with due time for developers to get up to speed with Windows Phone... it will offer a much nicer experience than Android. I still think that Apple does it best though, and adore this new VZW iPhone.

</comment><comment><USER2> Huh?

Is this thread full of Nokia/Microsoft PR people? Seriously. How does this not look like every other modern Android, WP7, iPhone rip off?

      - Black minimalist screen ✓
      - Horizontal speaker port ✓
      - Buttons on the bottom ✓
      - Cheap plastic case ✓

I don't think this phone could look more generic. Is this the state of the art in phone design outside of Cupertino? Are people's expectations really this low?

I really don't get the appeal of this device from a hardware perspective. The software may be a different story, but the hardware looks is pretty boring.

<comment><USER3> I'm not sure how much hardware design has to do with a phone's success anymore. After the iPhone came out, every manufacturer now makes phones that are 90% screen. How close are we to hardware design where the bezel around the screen is 1mm and the whole device is only a few millimeters thick? Won't every phone basically look the same with the OS and user experience the only differentiators? Isn't that pretty much happening already?

<comment><USER4> Not anymore than watches all looked the same and accuracy, features, and water resistance were the only differentiators.

<comment><USER3> I don't think that's a valid comparison. All watches tell time, but _how_ they tell time varies greatly. I own an automatic Panerai watch (<http://cl.ly/4YkQ>) and it looks completely different from watches that Urwerk (<http://cl.ly/4XvZ>) or Richard Mille (<http://cl.ly/4XZR>) make. Comparing how different those three watches look with the visual differences between, say, an iPhone 4 and a Nexus S and it's night and day. The Nexus S and iPhone 4 are about the same size, same thickness, same dimensions/proportions in width/height, about the same size screen, and the screen takes up about the same size % of the phone face.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> This Nokia/Microsoft deal is really terrib... Hey, look at those shiny phones!

<comment><USER6> My thoughts exactly, but apparently I also have a defective gene inherited by some alien splicing of the magpie genome into the human species, because damn do I like shiny!

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> They looks nice, but they do remind me of the logo diarrhea mentioned here: <http://uxhero.com/ux-theory/logo-diarrhea/>

Put those logos on the back or make them very subdued.

<comment><USER8> Nokia has always had their logo on the front. It's part of their brand.

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> Hmm, looks a bit like the Nexus S.

Smart-phones are about the software, not the hardware (above a certain threshold). And even then, WP7 can be the sliced bread of smart-phones, but if they don't have an apps ecosystem, they're not going to take off. With iOS and Android at roughly 20-30% each, and with WP7 at, what, 0-1%? -- who is going to develop WP7 apps? We might not think about it now, but it took a _long_ time for the cool kids to start developing for Android, and even longer for them to do it properly. I only see this slowing down for each new platform added.

<comment><USER10> in case you didn't know the WP7 app store has eveolved faster than android and has already passed 8000 apps. It's about the same speed at which iPhone market evolved, except that the iPhone had a huge installed base by the time apps were allowed.

It's foolish to underestimate the developer muscle of MSFT.

<comment><USER11> exactly, just as Android looked to tap into the market of developers who know Java will, WP7 goes for C# developers - of which there are many. Microsoft treat their developers well.

<comment><USER4> Microsoft should be able to look at _what sucks_ about the Apple ecosystem and capitalize on those factors by tuning them into their advantages and Apple's weakness.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment> tomh- I have to say, they look pretty good!

<comment> DanI-S Nokia's industrial design seems like the only real contender to Apple's in terms of being sleek, modern, but still distinctive and immediately recognisable. It's hard to make a touchscreen phone anything more than a screen, but they both manage to pour the identity of their brand into their devices in a way that few others do.

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> These look like exceptionally pretty renders - I have the feeling that the final product will look nothing like that. The reason modern smartphones don't have those sleek contours on the back is that a long-running (read: large) battery is a prerequisite. All of the swooping contours in these shots are basically trading hours of battery life for a dramatic look - I'd be surprised if this survives basic testing.

</comment><comment><USER13> I guess I don't see it. Here are my rough thoughts.

1\. Nokia was on the verge of non-existence. Honestly, Meego and Symbian were not going to cut it. Nokia just didn't have the chops to do it and that was obvious.

2\. MSFT was aching to get in the game w/ something/someone other than HTC and this was a real opportunity.

3\. Nokia hand Android available to it or this partnership w/ MSFT. By choosing MSFT they got cash infusion and also got to outsource dev to MSFT (which I'm assuming from what I read is the arrangement).

So far, so good. Given those parameters it actually seems to make strategic sense for Nokia to choose MSFT and this route. But wait..that isn't all.

5\. Who is going to write the apps for this? Had Nokia chosen Android, they would have literally gained hundreds of thousands of apps instantaneously. Does anyone know the number of people writing WP7 apps? It is not a huge number and most of the apps are not good. Sure, it is early and this announcement will likely boost the numbers but still...it isn't android numbers and it certainly isn't iOS numbers.

Given #5 all of the sudden the decision looks quite questionable.

I guess, what I don't see, is who is Nokia really going to call a customer? If Nokia wants to capture the smartphone market, this is just plain dumb. If nokia wants corporate phones, it might be quite smart..being able to replace RIM/Blackberry just about a launch (really, it would be that easy if they focused). If they want to capture Corporate market AND capture ultra cheap entry cell phones....now it sorta makes sense.

Ok...so what am I missing? Anyone know their real strategy?

<comment><USER14> Your views on WP7 apps are a bit off, there is a huge pool of C# devs who are eager to get into a viable app-market. The WP7 tools are free and have been downloaded 2 million times (according to MS). The app store is growing well, and there are about 8000 apps, which is pretty good considering the plaform is v1 and is only about 4 months old. I've found the quality of apps good, and most of the major players have released apps (e.g. facebook, twitter, amazon etc). The Xbox live games are particularly good (although a bit expensive)

</comment></comment><comment><USER15> Am I the only one that wishes Nokia had bought Palm instead of HP?

<comment><USER16> The HP rollout this week was pretty impressive though. Palm's designs are already pretty good. HP gives them engineers and services to execute on it. I think HP+Palm is actually a pretty strong fit.

</comment></comment><comment><USER17> Looks so weird to see the letters "NOKIA" on something running WM7, you almost get the feeling that they just sold their soul (not that WM7 is any bad, just not used to see that combination).

</comment><comment><USER18> How did they have this already ready? Was this a previous phone design that they just rendered with Windows Phone 7, or had they been working with Microsoft already?

<comment><USER19> From TFA:

>The best part about this whole discovery, however, might be that it confirms Steve Ballmer's assertion that the engineers of both companies have "spent a lot of time on this already."

<comment><USER20> If they had spent enough time they would have demoed it at the press conference, so they are probably mockups.

<comment><USER21> I think they are 3D renderings

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER22> So they need to do a deal with the devil in order to loose the keyboards and copy established designs. Nokia + MS = 2 x Marketing.

<comment><USER8> Some of us still prefer having a qwerty keyboard. At least I wont be buying another phone without one.

</comment></comment><comment><USER23> Looks nice, but if you take away the Nokia logo, it could be a phone from any other maker that licenses WP7.

</comment><comment><USER24> More appealing than anything else Nokia has done in the post-iPhone era.

</comment><comment><USER25> Gr... I actually wanted something more like an N900 with a capacitive touch screen and some Zeiss optics. I like it, but I wanted a landscape keyboard.

<comment><USER26> They'll be rolling in every shape and form.</comment></comment>


War Stories: How Homeworld brought the third dimension to real-time strategy - <AUTHOR> https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/04/war-stories-how-homeworld-brought-the-third-dimension-to-real-time-strategy/ <comment><USER2> Homeworld really felt like an amazing achievement when it was released. A true 3D RTS, with amazing atmosphere and storytelling.

Years later I still pull up the cutscenes on Youtube from time to time.</comment>


With a Net Worth of $950M, Why Does Jerry Seinfeld Still Work So Hard? - <AUTHOR> https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/with-a-net-worth-of-950-million-why-is-jerry-seinfeld-still-grinding-his-response-is-a-master-class-in-achieving-incredible-and-lasting-success.html <comment><USER2> So he can get a car with doors that go up like this</comment>


Move over Silicon Valley, here comes.....Buffalo. - <AUTHOR> http://skunkpost.com/news.sp?newsId=3288

<comment><USER2> As a Canadian and a Buffalo Bills fan, this pleases me to no end. Driving through Buffalo is very depressing. Abandoned buildings and empty streets are in abundance. It's amazing to think Buffalo was a thriving part of the US only 30 years ago.</comment>


Untag Yourself - You're not what others say you are - <AUTHOR> http://readandgetrich.com/untag-yourself-not-what-others-think-you-are/ Let me tell you the story of Victor Serebriakoff who as a young fellow was diagnosed as being mentally incapacitated. When he was 15, one of his professors told him that he will never be able to finish school. This made young Victor assume his imposed status and for more than 17 years he only took laboring jobs, most of them being way below his potential. <comment><USER2> Meh. Posting because this type of story irks me every time.

I know I am a decent programmer. I also know I am not a good sales person (why? because I'm not good with people, or lying, or gambling - in fact I'm not allowed to talk to new leads at work until they are confirmed as clients and fully on board with a project). Therefore I need to stick with programming. However my current job has me stuck doing mundane repetitive programming. I've been looking for quite some time, but there are no job prospects in my field in my locality.

So the only realistic solution to being the best I can would be to go out on my own and start my own company - but I am not a good sales person, and chances are high that I would fail and be unemployed and broke. I can't move to a different location (I'm 2 years into a mortgage which has terms saying I cannot sell the house for 5 years), but even if I did Ireland as a whole is in a huge recession with huge unemployment and very few prospects. Moving abroad is expensive and has too many unknowns.

So I guess I'm left with post negative comments to random people on the internet.

You can't just say "be the person you want to be", and snap your fingers and make it happen. You can't blame your limits on other people and what they have said to you in the past. You have to work with facts as they are presented to you, and the fact is everyones circumstances are different and not everyones situation can be improved by reading silly feel good stories.

</comment><comment><USER3> Actually, you're _exactly_ what others say you are.

Ask 10 friends what they think of John and common threads will come up. That's John.

Ask John what he thinks of himself, and you'll get a much different (and more inaccurate) picture.

Candid photos taken by someone else are much more realistic than a selfie.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> Yes, you're what others say you are if you're a weak person and allow yourself to be negatively influenced by others.</comment>


Explore IBM Java 7 - <AUTHOR> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/training/kp/j-kp-java7/index.html

<comment><USER2> My impression is that aside from platform support, the major difference between the Oracle and IBM JVMs is their garbage collector. Is there someplace that has a definitive comparison (as opposed to just a rough description of each one's techniques)?

</comment><comment><USER3> IBM also has a realtime jvm, metronome (aka "websphere realtime"): <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jid4WaILPBk>

</comment><comment><USER4> I'm not familiar with this. Did IBM fork Java when Oracle bought Sun? If so why isn't Oracle going after IBM for "losing them billions of dollars", like when they went after Google?

<comment><USER5> _"Did IBM fork Java when Oracle bought Sun? If so why isn't Oracle going after IBM"_

IBM has had their own JDK implementation for more than 15 years. April 6th 1997 is about as close a date as I can find: <http://www.os2ezine.com/v2n7/javarev.htm> (that's version 1.0.2, so it's probably even earlier).

IBM have a license and produced a fully compatible implementation. Before Oracle bought BEA (who bought JRockit) there was also another independent commercial JDK implementation in addition to the IBM and Sun/Oracle ones.</comment></comment>


First You Make the Maps - <AUTHOR> https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/roundtable/first-you-make-maps <comment><USER2> A better link:

[https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/trade- maps/index.html](https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/trade-maps/index.html)

<comment><USER3> Yes much better thank you.</comment></comment>


Why Some People Get Sick from the Flu Shot - <AUTHOR> https://danielmiessler.com/blog/why-some-people-get-sick-from-the-flu-shot/ <comment><USER2> Too many nasty chemicals included in the shot as preservant so better don't take that shot. Every shot just feed big farma and put your health at extra risk</comment>


Velocity is Killing Agility - <AUTHOR> http://jimhighsmith.com/2011/11/02/velocity-is-killing-agility/

<comment><USER2> Good article. Especially the part about moving from customer focus, to customer control. Great point!</comment>


The voice behind Siri is finally revealed - <AUTHOR> http://thenextweb.com/apple/2013/10/04/this-woman-from-atlanta-claims-to-be-the-voice-behind-siri/

<comment><USER2> Don't be silly. It was revealed on The Big Bang Theory that Siri is a smoking hot redhead! ;-)

</comment><comment><USER3> I can't read the site on my mobile because of some fixed with absolute floating gimmick. I'm just going to assume this is link bait because the voice behind a software product was. "Finally revealed!!"</comment>


Android Booth Ridiculousness at MWC - <AUTHOR> http://www.jeanhsu.com/?p=250

<comment><USER2> The 86-variants-of-a-pin trick is the best conference hack I've ever heard of. Thanks for posting this.</comment>


No wait, of course THAT is the single most important SaaS metric - <AUTHOR> http://blog.asmartbear.com/important-saas-metric.html <comment><USER2> "The larger point is that companies are more complex than "a single most important metric.""

You dont hear this as often as you should. Also, he made some interesting points about the various metrics and why they are important.</comment>


Make guns smart - <AUTHOR> http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/09/opinion/shane-smarter-guns/index.html?fb_action_ids=10151345184503919&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=timeline_og&action_object_map=%7B%2210151345184503919%22%3A156767871137235%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151345184503919%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D

<comment><USER2> As a person who hates hearing the political arguments around this subject, I am excited to hear people talking about this.

As a dev who knows how hard/impossible it can be to write bug-free software, I think this could be opening a can of worms. The Next Generation of gun law debates could end up being about software failures, privacy, and intense political debates and stupid bills that dictate how/when guns can be rightfully fired.</comment>


Ask HN: Best native postgres client for Mac - <AUTHOR> I'm pretty happy with metabase (https://github.com/metabase/metabase) for sharing SQL queries across my team, but their SQL IDE leaves something to be desired.
What's the best native postgres client for Mac for writing SQL queries?
Things I care about:
* Native keybindings / feel
* "Smart" autocomplete (knows what columns are in scope)
* Easy to use for non-engineers (so should be GUI)
Don't care:
* DBA tools
* GUI query builder <comment><USER2> I'd echo psql, it can be quite powerful if you learn to use it ([http://www.craigkerstiens.com/2013/02/13/How-I-Work-With- Pos...](http://www.craigkerstiens.com/2013/02/13/How-I-Work-With-Postgres/)).

But if you're looking for a graphical client then Postico. It's by the maintainer of Postgres.app, so in a sense if you're using Postico you're helping to support Postgres.app as well.

</comment><comment><USER3> I use psql most of the time...it's autocomplete features are scope aware, only problem is editing large queries - so I copy/paste from a text editor (which has syntax highlighting as well).

</comment><comment><USER4> Postico, but it costs money.

<comment><USER3> The only real features missing from the free version is filtering the result set and multiple connections at the same time. For filtering I actually found it easier to use psql directly - but the GUI is nice for browsing data and making schema changes.

I still bought it anyway after a few months to support them, it's saved me a bunch of time.</comment></comment>


Robot Journalist Takes Pictures, Asks Questions, Publishes Online - <AUTHOR> http://singularityhub.com/2010/03/18/robot-journalist-takes-pictures-ask-questions-publishes-online/

<comment><USER2> I don't buy this. Maybe in the future in 20-30 years, but definetly not now. I got no idea where the prototype might be, but I don't see how you can build a robot that writes articles without ambient intelligence... journalism cases are really complex and you need a human intuition.

Maybe it would be great to collect information in a specialized case, but to make an article out of it? It's a whole different story!</comment>


How Famo.us will change the surface of modern web apps - <AUTHOR> http://blog.bootsoft.com/2014/05/how-famo-us-will-change-the-surface-of-modern-web-apps/

<comment><USER2> How much do i get by writing a Famo.us hype article?

<comment><USER3> You misspelled the name. FTA it should be written `<a href="[http://famo.us">Famo.us</a>`](http://famo.us">Famo.us</a>`).

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Yet another Framework. Its as if developers these days get paid purely on the number of frameworks they can spit out.

<comment><USER5> Upfront I'd like to state that I'm the first employee at famo.us and I've been on Hacker News for 3 years and 10 months, and have a karma of almost 6000. I deeply care about this community, as its one of my primary outlets for intellectual expression and stimulation.

If you look at any of my past posts that involve discussion of famo.us you will see that I've attempted to remain as neutral as possible and always a disclaimer of my affiliation whenever I've stated an opinion that merits one.

Like you I've also been one to point out conflicts or interest or even go as far as to investigate suspicious comments on hacker news to see if there may be a conflict of interest someone should disclose. I too am a vociferous defender of the culture on HN.

If anyone can understand your concerns and suspicions, it's me. However I will vouch on the honor of all the karma I've earned as a member of this community that there was no payola involved involved in the writing of this post. Even if someone at the company were plotting to do a payola for a blog post, I would question it. At previous jobs I have prevented any several attempts to make edits to Wikipedia articles about the organization for which I worked because of the clear conflict of interest.

Lastly, if my word is not sufficient, and you are the type to require some sort of proof. I will present the following evidence that demonstrates that Byron Matto (bmatto) on HN is the kind of developer to be self motivated to promote an open-source project he believes in. On April 19, I saw that Byron was giving a lightning talk in Boston at a Javascript meetup (I check reddit, HN, meetup.com and google crawl results from the last 24hrs about once a day). I reached out to him via twitter, to see if we could be of any help [0]. To my knowledge this is the only interaction between bmatto and the company, except for may IRC conversations. I believe he might be one of the people that idle on #famous on freenode. Obviously, you may interpret this piece of evidence as proof of relation, but I hope that between my word and the acknowledgment that bmatto has, of his own volition, given back to the JS community at least once prior to any contact with the company as sufficient to suggest that your top- most voted comment may be the kind of dismissive post the likes of which PG is concerned about on HN.

Think what you will about famous after this, I just hope you can find it in you to give bmattos here a little respect as the kind of developer that maintains a blog and shares his experiences. I know I'm indebted to him and hundreds of other developers like him that take the initiative to contribute.

[0] [https://twitter.com/andrewdeandrade/status/45763790543586918...](https://twitter.com/andrewdeandrade/status/457637905435869184)

<comment><USER5> Ooops, I should have posted this either to either alecsmart1 or igl's comment on this thread.

My apology to you Zelphyr since most of my comment wasn't meant to address your point. The only part that is relevant is the part about making a dismissive comment that often becomes the most upvoted comment that pg often laments brings down the quality of discourse on HN.

Lastly, FWIW, this post wasn't even submitted to HN by bmattos, but a very long-time HN member whose been on HN for 6 years and 3 months. He's got a good HN reputation and a pretty solid github profile. Hardly the kind of person who I would imagine would submit payola posts.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> How do you access the demos on [https://famo.us](https://famo.us) ? I've signed up for an account but still can't get access.

<comment><USER7> They are adding people daily to the access list. They have their reasons for "rolling" the beta out. I think there are ways you can bump your name in the list...

<comment><USER6> I can understand limiting access, but it seems a bit dumb to only show demos to registered users.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Looks like a blatant paid blog ad.

<comment><USER7> I wish.

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> What is this?

<comment><USER10> This is absolutely not "Just another ui framework". Famo.us takes a completely new approach HTML5 apps and no other framework even comes close in terms of UI performance. There really is just no comparison and this framework is going to change how HTML5 UI is done.

<comment><USER11> Could you link to some demos we could try?

Two years of hype without any demos isn't helping me believe in it. When they had some demos up (briefly) during their launch, they didn't work that well for me.

<comment><USER7> [http://www.codepen.io/befamous](http://www.codepen.io/befamous)

<comment><USER11> Thanks. But why isn't this linked from [http://famo.us/](http://famo.us/) ? Their "demos" link is disabled.

<comment><USER7> The demos there are restricted to those with beta access... you have to sign up for an account.</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>


Psdinfo – inspect PSD files from the command line - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/rstacruz/psdinfo

<comment><USER2> This is an underpowered wrapper around [https://github.com/meltingice/psd.js](https://github.com/meltingice/psd.js) which is itself a somewhat incomplete PSD parser.

No offense intended, but I don't quite understand the point of this wrapper library as its own project. PSD.js should be pretty trivial to just use directly to pull text strings or font names out of. Using a selector/jquery- like library for walking an object tree and pulling out particular keys, it could probably be done in ~5–10 LOC.</comment>


If mirrors reverse left and right, why don't they  reverse up and down? - <AUTHOR> http://pastebin.com/P5m6B25p

<comment><USER2> Mirrors don't reverse anything.

Stand in front of a mirror, hold your arms straight out to either side.

Your left arm is on "that" side of the room where you are, and the reflection of your left arm is also on "that" side of the room where the mirror is.

Nothing's reversed, nothing's moved, nothing's weird.

If you painted the front of you with black ink, held out your arms and pressed yourself against the wall, where would you expect the imprint of your left arm to be? Right there where it is.

<comment><AUTHOR> Hi. I (the person that submitted the story) didn't actually write it. My best friend did. I have told him of your comment and I will ask him to reply to you. Note that he wrote this early 2000, so he may have to look over it again.</comment></comment>


Pixate promises app UI production in pure CSS - <AUTHOR> http://webdev360.com/pixate-promises-app-ui-production-in-pure-css-43915.html

<comment><USER2> This seems like it's going about solving mobile UI problems backwards.

I think a better approach would be to fill in the gaps between what a graphic designer is used to (Photoshop, Illustrator, Fireworks), and the UI tools that the different platforms offer - Interface Builder and the XML Layout editor for Android.

Interface Builder is definitely visual enough for designers, but most of the "cool" effects for modern iOS apps can't be done purely through Interface Builder.

The Android Layout Editor in Eclipse has a lot more control over features, but I wouldn't expect graphic designers to start creating drawables in XML either.

My thoughts would be to work within the Photoshop ecosystem - a plugin that exported XIBs and Layout XML would probably be the easiest way to go.

<comment><USER3> I agree. CSS Hat currently does this for CSS (<http://csshat.com/>), but it would truly be great there was a "CSS Hat for native mobile" UI's.

<comment><AUTHOR> A 'CSS Hat for native mobile UI's" is basically what Pixate supports. That is, we can take CSS, and style native iOS (and Android) components just like you can web components. Pixate is the engine that enables all of this (whereas in a web page, the browser is doing all the rendering for you).

<comment><USER3> I think I like the CSS Hat model better because it generates the code that I then have complete control over. First, that can be helpful when learning the language. Second, it's really nice because of its tweakability. If the CSS Hat dev's decided to implement a stroke as a border, but I know it would look better as a layered drop shadow, then I can make that adjustment. If there are any other quirks or bugs, I can fix them with the resultant code. With the pixate model, I can't do that, as far as I understand (please correct me if I'm wrong!!).

<comment><AUTHOR> You can edit the CSS with Pixate in the exact same way. It doesn't get 'compiled away', the runtime optimizations happen behind the scenes. The CSS can remain in your project as a resource, much in the same way you reference your CSS in an HTML page.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> $200,000 doesn't seem an awful lot for 3 software engineers and a graphic designer, including premises, utilities and IT.

<comment><USER3> I'm pretty sure they're currently in YC. I do wonder then what the campaign is for.

<comment><USER5> It seems like Kickstarter has been used more and more lately as an announcement platform that has the very nice benefit of generating a little extra income on the side.

For now it's going to work because a lot of backers don't actually realize that they have another (probably much larger) source of income to build the product with, and they feel like backing is the only way this product will get off the ground.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> Appcelerator (creators of Titanium) supports Pixate by becoming first corporate sponsor.

[http://developer.appcelerator.com/blog/2012/08/join-us-in- su...](http://developer.appcelerator.com/blog/2012/08/join-us-in-supporting- pixate.html)

<comment><USER6> I've been watching this with keen interest since it was first announced here sometime ago. Unfortunately, at the pace Pixate is raising funds on Kickstarter, it doesn't look like they'll achieve their goal. Does this mean they're screwed, or will they still push this product out the door through their corporate sponsor Appcelerator?

<comment><AUTHOR> Have you made a pledge? ;-)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> I was thinking about something like this the other day. Nimbus has something similar I think <http://blog.jeffverkoeyen.com/nimbus-chameleon>

</comment><comment><USER8> I wrote this for iOSDevCamp last year: <http://cssapply.github.com/>

</comment><comment><USER9> Photoshop is awful for designing UIs

<comment><USER10> Great design has almost nothing to do with the tools used.

<comment><USER11> Seems like an irrelevant point. 89a didn't say "UIs designed in Photoshop are awful", after all. But a tool _can_ be bad for a job, even if it is technically possible to do good work with that tool.

That said, I think that Photoshop does have a few core features that designers really like for web design, and then a ton of features that get in the way for that particular use case. So basing a web design tool on those features of PS that are good for web design seems like a reasonable strategy.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> You can use Bootstrap today...</comment>


Ask HN: Due to global warming, where would you move to or avoid? - <AUTHOR> I live on a Pacific island. I've been considering buying a house (instead of renting), but if I think about a timescale of more than 20 years, it seems like a poor investment, considering that it may be very uncomfortable to live here by then. Considering the climate changes, but also social and economic factors, where would you move, or where would you avoid (e.g. how I am considering avoiding living here long term)? <comment><USER2> This is something I have been putting a lot of thought into lately. My wife and I have been fortunate to have lived in France, England and Spain over the past decade, as well as being regular visitors (+6x/year) to the United States.

The more places I see, the more I realize that the area of the world I grew up in, the interior of British Columbia, Canada or where my wife grew up in Alberta, Canada, are both better suited to handle the projected long-term adverse climate changes than anywhere else I've ever been.

With the use of greenhouses, their easy access to abundant fresh water and readily accessible energy I think they're both well-suited areas to long-term stability.

<comment><USER3> In general, temperate regions of the world are boring, but safe, and really good places for humans to live. That's why I love New England; there's lots of fresh water, there's no significant tectonic activity, you might catch the remnants of a hurricane once a decade. There are nearly no poisonous animals.

It snows a little bit, that's about the worst you can say.

<comment><USER4> What is about Lyme disease?

<comment><USER5> Lyme disease is a lot easier to avoid than a hurricane and easier to treat than a high-rise collapsing on you during an earthquake.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> I think it's important to note that the proper term is climate change.

It's not just warming. It's rising sea levels. And where I live (in land, northern hemisphere), we're seeing increased flooding due to higher rain fall.

Winters aren't necessarily colder, but the growing season for crops is consistently out-of-whack and has ruined multiple crops over the year.

In-land, near lakes in the northern hemisphere may be hot less drastically, but everywhere is being affected.

<comment><USER7> Grain yields in the US have on average increased every year since 1930. Global warming is a real issue, but to say that farming is currently being effected is not supported by much emperical evidence. [https://www.agry.purdue.edu/ext/corn/news/timeless/yieldtren...](https://www.agry.purdue.edu/ext/corn/news/timeless/yieldtrends.html)

<comment><USER8> Flooding along the midwestern rivers has begun to destroy crop fields. Many attribute these floods to climate change. [https://www.reuters.com/article/us- usa-weather-agriculture/u...](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-weather- agriculture/us-farmers-face-devastation-following-midwest-floods- idUSKCN1R12J0)

<comment><USER9> The midwest has always experienced flooding. For example:

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Mississippi_Flood_of_192...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Mississippi_Flood_of_1927)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> That's a very interesting question. Have you already been researching some solutions? And if so, which resources did you use?

I'd say the most important aspects could be: \- Available fresh water

\- Population density

\- Job availability

\- Pollution (water / air / ground)

\- Political stability

\- Common spoken languages

This could make a nice base for a webapp where you can figure out where to go for the next big migration :)

Some websites I found so far

\- [http://datasets.wri.org](http://datasets.wri.org) (datasets on many earthly aspects :))

\- [http://www.aneki.com/freshwater_countries.html](http://www.aneki.com/freshwater_countries.html) (biggest bodies of fresh water)

\- [http://flood.firetree.net/](http://flood.firetree.net/) (water levels)

\- [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_ren...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_renewable_water_resources)

\- [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/most- po...](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/most-polluted- countries/)

</comment><comment><USER11> Climate refugees are going to be the big issue, not where to choose to move if you have that freedom. Any question of where to go has to somehow answer "What happens when everyone else who can tries to go there?"

<comment><USER12> It seems inevitable that borders are going to harden over the coming decades, I can't see the politics unfolding in any other way.

<comment><USER13> I realize that this is the current trend in both Europe and the US, but I wonder if this is the best (realpolitik) strategy.

Not to mention the moral issues surrounding letting tens of millions suffer and die because we don't want to help people.

Can you really keep out tens of millions of people with a wall?

<comment><USER14> Can you really keep out tens of millions of people with a wall? Absolutely, if you're willing to enforce it. You may have to kill some of those people to do so, though. Which puts us right back at your second paragraph.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> I'd move somewhere where the government and people actively care about climate change and don't just say "it's someone else's problem" or "nothing I can do as an individual will make a difference" or "you first!"

<comment><USER16> Where can I find a list of such places?

<comment><USER17> IMHO countries like Finland, Norway, Sweden. They are pretty hilly countries with a lot of natural resources and they are actively working for being as much environmentally friendly as it is possible for a country.

Unfortunately money rules this world so it's a good tactic to start paying taxes in place where government cares about environment. Hopefully at some point other countries will realize that investing in ecology is actually profitable.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> Definitely avoid Bangladesh :)

[https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the- unfoldin...](https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-unfolding- tragedy-of-climate-change-in-bangladesh/)

Almost 30 million people will be displaced because of just 3 foot sea level rise in Bangladesh. This is expected to happen in the next 20years or so.

Most of these people might migrate to India. Maybe avoid India too for similar reason.

<comment><USER19> India: That and possibly in future being jailed for holding crypto, a human rights violation IMO. People should be free to trade in general without government interference except when it causes harm to other people.

<comment><USER20> It's not like crypto hasn't been used for ransoms and such. This gubment is bad bullshit from libertarian idiots needs to go away.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> Bloomberg just did a piece on Boston Seaport development and how expensive strategies for climate mitigation are already being priced in.

Construction and design of 21st Century seawalls is certainly one of the "hard tech" challenges of our lifetimes.

Boston Built a New Waterfront Just in Time for the Apocalypse

[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-18/boston- bu...](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-18/boston-built-a-new- waterfront-just-in-time-for-the-apocalypse)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawall](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawall)

</comment><comment><USER22> Avoid the mediterranean. Old IPCC models "predicted" tornados in the mediterranean - there are very brief tornados (google for cap de fiblo) every now and then near Minorca island (I saw 2 myself).

</comment><comment><USER23> I've wondered about this and based on my own personal criteria, I narrowed down to Canada or New Zealand.

My criteria: * Friendly to immigration * Access to currently untapped freshwater resources * Not too densely populated * Preferably English speaking

<comment><USER24> Very similar to my thoughts. I'm also considering the possibility to defend myself. This may be provided by the "not too densely populated" one (but things are supposed to change in that respect in case of the big trouble). So potentially an elevated, or hidden place?

<comment><USER23> I've wondered about the likelihood of needing to defend myself, but since I'm completely incompetent in that regard, I'll have to opt for security by obfuscation.

In my musings, the two things that most worry me is an acute shortage of fresh water, and that any hospitable place I choose is also going to attract hordes of other climate refugees that will outcompete me. There are places like the Pacific North West of the US that are likely to fare relatively well in the Climate Wars. Yet these regions will also attract climate refugees from elsewhere in the country. Canada has a lot more amenable landmass to work with, and relatively fewer people to compete with. Ironically, Canada's acceptance of refugees with open arms gives me pause, since it suggests a likely destination for global climate refugees (ghastly of me, I know). In that respect, NZ's geographical isolation and sparse population strike me as huge pluses.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER25> I had to move from Puerto Rico to Atlanta, Georgia after hurricane Maria. It has worked out ok.

</comment><comment><USER26> Move to Raleigh, NC. When the sea level rises, the research triangle will still be dry. Check this map: [https://coast.noaa.gov/slr/](https://coast.noaa.gov/slr/)

</comment><comment><USER27> Probably the only safe place would be pretty far underground.

</comment><comment><USER28> Northeast US.</comment>