Show HN: My embarrassing personal website from the 90s - <AUTHOR> http://boglin.iwarp.com/ <comment><USER2> I miss this era of the Internet. It represents a period of time where average people used the open Web to _publish_ , rather than post on a corporation's platform.

Obviously there's been plenty of development since then that I would not give back, but people favoring publishing their own sites rather than posting on social media is not incompatible with those developments. That part didn't need to be lost.

<comment><USER3> Are you sure that they were average people? In my experience, average people only started to publish things on Web after blog platforms enabled them to do so. The only people who published in the web at that time were people with technical background (or people who had enough free time and will to learn). HTML is not easy for someone, who's not computer-savvy and a quest to publish and support your website might frighten experienced software developers even know.

<comment><USER4> Not true. Plenty of non-technical people had a web page up like this one. Nearly all ISPs included some webspace, and enough instructions to get going. Lots of people put up _something_ on user.demon.co.uk or geocities about themselves, their hobbies or their pets etc.

Having a web presence died off somewhat as people moved over to myspace and Livejournal then geocities and tripod started being abandoned. Then it started the rise of social, and guest books and web rings slowly became obsolete.

<comment><USER5> Yep. I miss the magic of FTPing into your ISP and having that little folder where you could drop simple HTML files.

<comment><USER6> You can still drop html files on GitHub!

If you're feeling extra fancy, you can switch to gitlab to write and publish static websites in any framework of your choice (including plain html of course but you can use any framework of your choice such as Jekyll or even Vue Nuxt) right from the browser thanks to the power of the gitlab-ci.yml file. As someone who very much dislikes installing node js on my computer, I think this is fantastic.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> I used to have a Geocities containing weird bad poetry I wrote when I was a teenager.

I forgot about it, until years later I stumbled upon it again. I was embarrassed. I asked Yahoo to delete it.

But I'd forgotten the password, and I'd used fake personal details (wrong date of birth) to create the account, and I couldn't remember what the fake info was, so they refused to delete it because I couldn't verify that I was who I said I was.

What do I do? I hit on a solution. I decided to DMCA myself.

I sent Yahoo a DMCA takedown request for my old Geocities, and straight away it disappeared. Mission accomplished.

<comment><USER8> So they trusted that whatever was posted on the site was yours, but wouldn't believe the site was yours, crazy.

<comment><USER9> DMCA takedown process is specifically created so that hosting providers don't need to verify any claims in the notice, they only need to take the content down and notify the user who published it, so that the user could provide a counter-notice (in which case, they bring the content back up).

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> This reminds me of my first Geocities website: a full repository of KoRn's lyrics to date.

It's not that this didn't exist elsewhere on the internet (indeed it did, as of course I used these other sites as source material), but nowhere seemed to have the exact red-text-on-black-background look I was going for at the time.

The most excruciating part of this memory is not that I worshipped a nu-metal band, but instead that I hadn't yet discovered the magic of copying and pasting text. That's right: everything, from the lyrics themselves to the HTML tags, were typed manually by yours truly into the raw HTML editor.

I shudder to think how quickly I'd be fired today if I hadn't learned how to properly use a modern keyboard.

<comment><USER11> I actually still force myself type out anything that's important enough for me to know it or understand it. Text, code, doesn't matter. Some things I'll even write by hand if I really think it's important enough for me to remember.

<comment><USER12> Personally I can't think of anything that warrants that treatment more than KoRn lyrics.

<comment><USER13> A.D.I.D.A.S.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> When I was in high school I created a website just to annoy my cranky teacher, Mr. Davis. The concept was simple, I got people to constantly ambush the teacher in the middle of classes and hug him while I took pictures. Then I posted them to the website, Hug Mr. Davis, along with really dumb text.

It got a little out of hand, there's a picture on there of a football player tackling Mr. Davis in the middle of a lesson (I think he got suspended).

Mr. Davis threatened to sue me if I didn't take the website down. I left it up, but became the only student at my high school banned from bringing cameras to school.

[http://www.oocities.org/hugmrdavis/](http://www.oocities.org/hugmrdavis/) (click picture to enter)

<comment><USER15> Isn't that bullying? He doesn't look too happy in some of those pictures.

<comment><USER14> We had a weird relationship, you might call it friendly antagonism. He was one of my favorite teachers, and I think I was one of his favorite students.

We regularly exchanged insults, and laughed about it. This idea grew out of that, and despite his protests, I'm pretty sure he thought it was funny up until a football player full-on tackled him during a lesson (was not my idea, and I even admonished the guy on the website).

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> This brings back memories, the days when geocities, and software like frontpage and dreamweaver were a thing.

Most personal websites were exactly like this, word art, silly animated GIFs, "under construction" images, the author being optimistic about updating the site.

Soemtimes you'd come across someone who'd made a site that more focussed around a special interest and they updated it often, a personal endevour that probably never got that many views, but my god sometimes you'd come across some gems.

<comment><USER17> There is still hope: [http://code.divshot.com/geo- bootstrap/](http://code.divshot.com/geo-bootstrap/)

<comment><USER18> The smoothness of the marquee text is irritating. ;-) On a more serious note (haha), awesome theme. Tempted to think up something to build with it :-D

<comment><USER19> I'm running a production site that lets you pick from 5 different Bootswatch themes... What's one more?! It's tempting...

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> I love it. I have an unreasonable amount of nostalgia for old websites like this. This is what the whole Web looked like back in the early days, before the usability and design gurus figured out the "best practices" and all sites started looking the same. It really was a wild new frontier. I'm not saying the Web was objectively better back then, but it sure was fun.

<comment><USER20> I just found my first website (from January 2000) in the Wayback Machine. Not gonna post it here, but it's actually not that bad -- it had a consistent header, sidebar navigation, and a collection of nerdy sci-fi jokes that for some strange reason I thought were hilarious. :/

<comment><USER21> I found mine on wayback and was shocked that you can actually make one move in the Othello game. The game ran as a CGI script (in C) and was stateless.

[https://web.archive.org/web/20010403225345/http://www.oaklan...](https://web.archive.org/web/20010403225345/http://www.oakland.edu:80/~phkahler/)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> Well, I certainly didn't expect this to make the front page.

I just wish the guestbook still worked. :)

I hadn't looked at the site in years and was actually surprised to find it still running. It's been on the same free hosting site for about 20 years.

<comment><USER22> I tried to sign it! You should consider reviving it.

Write it in perl.

And lets us know its working again with a blink tag.

<comment><AUTHOR> I just updated it with a guestbook that works. :)

First update the site has seen in 19 years.

<comment><USER23> And everyone is already trying to break it.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER24> My old geocities site from the 90s is long gone but from what I remember it had:

\- The midi version of the exorcist theme song[0] that autoplayed

\- That old animated HR of a stickman peeing onto an internet explorer button

\- Various 2600 magazine related documents and links

\- A whole bunch of VB6 apps I made and their source code

\- A guestbook / hit counter

[0]: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1PH_Y8Xn4g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1PH_Y8Xn4g)

BUT here's my first freelance web design site from 2001:

[http://web.archive.org/web/20010201051000/http://darkelement...](http://web.archive.org/web/20010201051000/http://darkelement.com:80/)

The copy on that site is next level cringe worthy.

Also, does anyone remember the original Andy's Art Attack when it came to design? [http://www.brucelevick.com/andyart/](http://www.brucelevick.com/andyart/). Make sure to click into one of the pages because the sidebar was epic for its time.

<comment><USER25> Learning how to host midis and then <object embed autoplay=true> was literally magic to 9th grade me.

</comment></comment><comment><USER26> There is a movement, called "tilde communities", to bring back personal pages and BBS-like communities. I'm part of [http://tilde.town](http://tilde.town) for instance. It's quite remarkable how the simple restriction of community size makes for an entirely different experience than, say, twitter or facebook. Knowing that I will re-encounter the same folks, and that I am not yet their friends (although we are friendly) creates an interesting cultural constraint that feels much more like a small town experience. We talk about cats, fun software ideas, and sex changes. We exchange messages on a local bulletin board. We play text games. It's fun and small, and more meaningful somehow.

</comment><comment><USER27> That's awesome. I recently found my first site is up too([http://home.earthlink.net/~flighttime/justins/](http://home.earthlink.net/~flighttime/justins/)). Still running on free hosting from my family's ISP from 20 years ago. Complete with a Dodgers' schedule from 1998.

<comment><USER28> I am really glad that you are working for MLB.tv now. You seemed to have liked baseball when you were 12 and now you are working at MLB.tv.

</comment></comment><comment><USER29> Cache: [http://archive.is/s1Kbs](http://archive.is/s1Kbs)

<comment><USER30> Thanks. Just looking for this.

</comment></comment><comment><USER31> This got me wondering if Matt's Script Archive was still around and lo and behold: [http://www.scriptarchive.com/](http://www.scriptarchive.com/)

Making interactive forms and CGIs was where I really started getting inspired to learn programming. Matt's scripts were some of the first perl I learned from. I basically transformed WWWBoard into a web-based chat back in '97.

<comment><USER32> Same here, I modified a lot of his scripts.

His stuff was great and it was amazingly ubiquitous back then. If a site had an email form, forum or guestbook, chances are it was his work.

</comment></comment><comment><USER33> Ah, the nostalgia. Mine is no longer online, but was pretty well archived by the Internet Archive: [https://web.archive.org/web/20010607062747/http://world.std....](https://web.archive.org/web/20010607062747/http://world.std.com:80/~lambda/brian/)

Really makes me cringe to read some of that text, but that was high school.

Oh, and even more eye-bleeding is the page I ran for a Nomic that I was in, and webmaster (sorry, "Secretarylet of the Revolution in charge of Web Pages") for: [http://www.nomic.net/deadgames/macronomic/](http://www.nomic.net/deadgames/macronomic/). I don't know what I was thinking when picking that particular shade of red; red made sense, but I'm sure that even with the palettes available back then, I could have picked one a bit less painful.

</comment><comment><USER34> We've done it. We brought down his service plan.

Archive: [https://web.archive.org/web/20050409065436/http://boglin.iwa...](https://web.archive.org/web/20050409065436/http://boglin.iwarp.com/)

<comment><USER35> Netscape for life. SeaMonkey is still my favorite browser.

</comment></comment><comment><USER36> Standing strong under HN load.

Which scaleable node js javascript react framework did you build this with?

<comment><AUTHOR> staticfiles.js for the main page, and cgi.js for the guestbook! :)

</comment></comment><comment><USER37> It's not embarrassing at all! It's no different than picking on the clothes we used to wear back in the 90s. Everyone was neon, too large, and a bit too flashy. It's a product of the times.

It's always kind of neat to look at these sites and see the creativity of them. I wasn't really on the internet back then, but I do remember just looking for all of those multi-color joke sites. I love it when these sites pop up here.

I always enjoy showing people Zombo Com:

[http://www.zombo.com/](http://www.zombo.com/)

Over time, Flash died and so they kept the spirit alive by creating an HTML5 version:

[https://html5zombo.com/](https://html5zombo.com/)

Some things are just worth keeping around, just so that we don't lose our history and zeitgeist of earlier decades. We don't have photographs to remind us and if the old internet dies, we lose a huge chunk of what made today possible.

<comment><USER38> I was actually wondering about this. Say I know I'm going to die in the next couple months - if I wanted to put up a website and make sure it stayed online for as long as possible, what would be the best way to do that?

</comment></comment><comment><USER39> A millennial friend is studying the early internet in college. I asked them if they had discussed webrings yet. "What's a webring??" Oh boy...

If you want a lot more of these pages, look through the webring directory. [http://dir.webring.org/rw](http://dir.webring.org/rw) . Here is a random list of them from one user I found as an example: [http://ss.webring.org/navbar?f=l;y=victoriavandyke;u=1001988...](http://ss.webring.org/navbar?f=l;y=victoriavandyke;u=100198821810103173;comid=)

A detailed description of webrings: [http://www.jamesshuggins.com/h/rng1/webring-dot-com- system.h...](http://www.jamesshuggins.com/h/rng1/webring-dot-com-system.htm)

</comment><comment><USER40> This is what internet is to me. What internet is today isn't really 'internet' anymore. Well at least not from my perspective.

<comment><USER41> Are we still on Web 2.0? I'm guessing you're referring to Web 1.0. I find it amusing that nobody called it Web 1.0 even after they started talking about 2.0.

<comment><USER42> I'm looking forward to Web 3.0, when we can have retro sites like this, but on decentralized platforms so we don't have to worry as much about hosting and bandwidth.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER43> My personal site is nowhere near as funny as the e-commerce site that my dad and I started that was built off of his brick-and-mortar bicycle store chain. Dad edited the site with some horrible text editor. There was no shopping cart; you would email or fax your order form to us with your credit card on it. People still loved it and we were getting dozens of orders a day within a couple of weeks of launching.

[https://web.archive.org/web/19961030052323/http://www.bikewo...](https://web.archive.org/web/19961030052323/http://www.bikeworld.com:80/)

<comment><USER44> As someone from India, whose internet exposure started with facebook in late 2000s, your site and other sites shared on this post by HN community are fascinating.

</comment></comment><comment><USER45> Missed the early 90s; started late in 1999. However, I remember the fun Flash era in the early 21st century. I played my part religiously (my name was on the credit roll of the Flash IDE). Published my personal site[1] for the first time in 2001, with designs inspired by the likes of 2Advanced, Ultrashock. It went on for few years. I remember those days where design award was a thing. My site used to win quite a bit. :-)

I also remember using Blogger[2] to publish to my site via their "Publish to FTP" feature. I remember using a different comment system because Blogger didn't have its own. Later, moved to Movable Type[3]. Beta tested WordPress[4] at a time when it had no option to create pages. I think, by 2003/2004, my website became just a full-fledged blog, powered by WordPress and it remained to this day.

The early 00's was, indeed, an era of lots of fun and experiments.

1\. [https://web.archive.org/web/20020515000000*/brajeshwar.com](https://web.archive.org/web/20020515000000*/brajeshwar.com)

2\. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blogger_(service)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blogger_\(service\))

3\. [https://www.movabletype.org/](https://www.movabletype.org/)

4\. [https://wordpress.org/](https://wordpress.org/)

</comment><comment><USER46> Here's my old website: [http://stuffwithstuff.com/robot- frog/index.html](http://stuffwithstuff.com/robot-frog/index.html)

At some point (alas!) I lost the domain robot-frog.com, so note that some of the top-level links on the site won't go to the right place. All the relative links should work, though.

The name of the is the site is kind of silly. I was typing random emoticons in an email and came up with [:|], which looked like a robot frog to me.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks for sharing that, Bob. I really like your site's design.

I also think that the name of the site is more awesome than silly. Not that silly is bad. A bit of silly makes life much more enjoyable! :)

</comment></comment><comment><USER47> I miss the self expression that was possible when the barrier to entry was so low, and the link chains. It really was a "web" before search engines became the hub for everything. Granted, most people probably aren't gonna design anything well, because they're not designers. But for those who do, or at least try, even a color gives you more info into a person's personality than a facebook list of places they've worked and what school they went to.

<comment><USER48> So true! Search engines in a way have both invigorated, and ruined the web. They are great because now you can find anything, but they suck because they've removed a lot of the mystery.

I loved hearing about cool websites via word-of-mouth. Starting there, and then just following a rabbit hole of links to places I've never been before.

I suppose it's still possible if enough people agree to host sites that reject crawlers.

</comment></comment><comment><USER49> There something enjoyable about all the bad homepages of the 90s. Pictures of people still seem "old" because the frequency you'd get to see how you looked was so stretched out. Even rpeden's first picture is an example of the general "hey, I'm here" pose. Good times, I can only imagine screenshots of square Minecraft houses will be what child of the 10's will look back at as their first dives into Computer-dom.

</comment><comment><USER50> Some of the later stages of mine are archived: [http://web.archive.org/web/20020915000000*/http://www.geocit...](http://web.archive.org/web/20020915000000*/http://www.geocities.com:80/mr_jivebojingles/)

Goes from dark and pompous to enigmatic.

Its original purpose (created in 1997 or 1998?) was a Final Fantasy VII fan page, but it seems that stage of it is long lost.

</comment><comment><USER51> I think the thing I miss the most from this time was being part of a very large, global, counter culture of sorts.

Compared to today we were underground. The few of us who participated in online forums and groups.

I remember Yahoo groups and thinking about how revolutionary it was to let anyone create their own "space" for other people online.

I also remember some e-friends from the US creating an open source version of it and realizing that anything can be done.

</comment><comment><USER52> Perfect, thanks for sharing!

My first one, 1997 I think, had a photo of my face (complete with 'curtains' hairstyle) that was an imagemap. Click my ears and you get a page about the music I liked; eyes were movies; forehead was books and so on. Terrible cringeworthy perfection. It was on my university network so long gone now. I doubt I'd recognize the skinny shit in the photo anyway.

</comment><comment><USER53> Someone showed me this for searching people's personal websites: [https://wiby.me/](https://wiby.me/)

</comment><comment><USER54> What a great time capsule, brings back old memories from Geocities and Angelfire websites.

<comment><USER16> On the links page he links to his friends websites, one of them is a (now obviously gone) geocities page.

</comment></comment><comment><USER55> I just found mine from web.archive

[http://web.archive.org/web/20000529170547/http://karakedi.vi...](http://web.archive.org/web/20000529170547/http://karakedi.virtualave.net:80/indexu.html)

There is supposed to be more content, but it's ridiculously broken under webarchive indexing

Backgroundlar (wallpapers) Gif arşivi yenilendi (gif archive) Duvar Yazıları (some wall texts) YENİ 1 ICQ KULLANICISI(Toplam 17 Kullanıcı) (apparently i had a list of potentially Turkish users). İnter Emlak bölümünde kiralık ev arayan biri var (and my attempt for starting an online real estate site.

<comment><USER56> Yawzda! I found mine too :O

[http://web.archive.org/web/19981205183936/http://www.shadow....](http://web.archive.org/web/19981205183936/http://www.shadow.net:80/%7Egiorgio/)

<comment><USER55> Yours work very nicely! I have discovered online ads and iframes apparently, nothing works!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER57> XOOM counter! I can't believe I forgot that XOOM existed back in the day

<comment><USER58> When I was younger I taught myself HTML and started helping out on the XOOM support chat (forum?). They noticed my passion and sent me a job application form and seemed eager to bring me onboard. I was pretty excited and promptly completed it. Unfortunately I did not get the job. They had absolutely no idea I was only 14 years old and assumed I was much older. Man, I miss the innocent days of the internet.

</comment></comment><comment> james-skemp My favorite site to check on is Trygve Lode's site, [http://www.trygve.com](http://www.trygve.com)

Found him years ago via the Visible Barbie project, [http://www.trygve.com/visible_barbie.html](http://www.trygve.com/visible_barbie.html)

He hasn't updated his blog in years, but for years I would look forward to his random posts since it would remind me of the mid/late 90s when I was just getting online, reading AOL's documentation on how to write HTML.

</comment><comment><USER59> Since everyone is sharing there's, here is mine from 2003 (I had one older than that but it was on a public library's domain that never got cached, so this is my second oldest site). It was responsive, sorta, and while it looks like crap it still works!

[https://web.archive.org/web/20030720195550/http://binaryidio...](https://web.archive.org/web/20030720195550/http://binaryidiot.com:80/)

</comment><comment><USER60> It is 2018 so this is a good time to have this debate.

Geocities > Angelfire > Homestead > Lycos Tripod.

I remember holding this opinion but cannot remember why, or if it was actually informed by anything.

</comment><comment><USER61> Kids, btw, still like to build websites like this. At Repl.it we have a lot of teenagers using our product. Here are some of my favorite 90s style website:

\- Turn the volume one for this one and peep the marquee in the title: [http://erikflynn.repl.co/Website/](http://erikflynn.repl.co/Website/)

\- A music website "imma be link yall up with some good playlists" [http://lexiecampbell.repl.co/Music/](http://lexiecampbell.repl.co/Music/)

\- JACK WEBSITE: with a fun animated background and his "bangin tunes" [http://jackburgess123.repl.co/JACK- WEBSITE/](http://jackburgess123.repl.co/JACK-WEBSITE/)

\- "HOW TO BE A BOSS AT FORTNITE" [http://daremccloskey_t.repl.co/FortniteTips/](http://daremccloskey_t.repl.co/FortniteTips/)

\- Space website: learn about blackholes, dark matter, and more [http://laser431.repl.co/Real-Space-Website/](http://laser431.repl.co/Real- Space-Website/)

\- A kid's website with resume and updates 90s style [http://anonimoussyed.repl.co/My-website/](http://anonimoussyed.repl.co/My- website/)

\- Shitposting 90s style [http://rmalagon.repl.co/Memes/](http://rmalagon.repl.co/Memes/)

A lot more where that came from, if people are interested I can put up a page so you can surf!

UPDATE -- here are some games:

\- Car Wars (this was trending on reddit) [http://sbenderschii.repl.co/Car- Wars/](http://sbenderschii.repl.co/Car-Wars/)

\- Hard pong game (use your mouse to move) [http://echocoding.repl.co/Project- Classic-Pong/](http://echocoding.repl.co/Project-Classic-Pong/)

\- Snake game [http://noahcapucilli_shata.repl.co/Javscript- snake/](http://noahcapucilli_shata.repl.co/Javscript-snake/)

\- Cookie clicker [http://prestonsia.repl.co/Cookie- Clicker/](http://prestonsia.repl.co/Cookie-Clicker/)

\- Bounce blob [http://birduugaming.repl.co/BounceBlob/](http://birduugaming.repl.co/BounceBlob/)

\- Flappy ball [http://gvanminsel.repl.co/flappy- ball/](http://gvanminsel.repl.co/flappy-ball/)

To view source it's repl.it/@<user subdomain>/<pathname>

e.g. [http://birduugaming.repl.co/BounceBlob/](http://birduugaming.repl.co/BounceBlob/) -> [https://repl.it/@birduugaming/BounceBlob](https://repl.it/@birduugaming/BounceBlob)

<comment><USER62> >I'M 13 AND CURRENTLY LEARNING 3 PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES, C++, CSS AND HTML.

>I OWN A CSGO CHEAT THAT YOU CAN BUY FOR 3 POUNDS A MONTH.

>I'M UPDATING IT ALOT AND NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN BANNED FROM IT.

little shit!

</comment></comment><comment><USER63> Oh my god. This is incredible. The thing that brings me back to the 90s the most is the tiled background on the Links page. I remember agonizing over those textures so hard.

</comment><comment><USER64> It's not you who to get embarrassed but advocates and implementors of the _modern_ sites who say that the world does not exist without React,AJAX and MVC.

</comment><comment><USER65> I really, really wish I could find my old Geocities website. It was mostly just a bunch of jokes I found around the Internet, and it'd be interesting to see what kind of stuff I found funny back in 1999.

It might be sitting on an old hard drive in my basement (I never dispose of them with other equipment, instead telling myself I will someday wipe them manually and/or drill through the platters).

<comment><USER66> > I never dispose of them with other equipment, instead telling myself I will > someday wipe them manually and/or drill through the platters

Don't do that! Hoard them to sell on eBay for hobby money later. There is a looming retrocomputing SCSI hard drive shortage. You can already get good prices for 50-pin SCSI drives. I don't know about ATA/IDE drives, but I imagine people trying to build "authentic" systems will drive demand in the next decade as well.

<comment><USER67> The need for old SCSI/IDE drives is being filled by SD/microSD/CF adapters for those connector types :)

<comment><USER66> Not for everyone. I know a few people that prefer to run real hard drives in their hardware, especially when they show at vintage computer exhibitions. These people go out of their way to get old ones for spare parts and to repair what they have. Adapters are the last resort when the drives they need can only be obtained for astronomical prices or not at all.

<comment><USER67> Oh yeah, for sure, I know there are many purists who want the legit original hardware. Just that many hobbyists who just want to run their favorite old computer(s) opt for the adapter as it's a lot easier to buy a bunch of SD cards, even if the adapters can be a bit pricy.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER68> If you're into this, the final season of Halt & Catch Fire was pretty great as far as reliving the web of the mid 90s goes.

</comment><comment><USER69> [http://www.aolwatch.org/chronic2.htm](http://www.aolwatch.org/chronic2.htm)

Hack the Planet!

<comment><USER60> Oh my gosh, I used to know a guy that went by 'puppies' or something that used to talk extensively about the "AOL progz" and I just got a flashback. This is incredible.

</comment></comment><comment><USER70> I still have a 90's page online. Not sure what that says about me, but I like it. The supercomputers section shows a unique time for the NCSA. There was that, and Mosaic was in development next door. Nostalgia wave breaks... [http://www.pdanford.com:800](http://www.pdanford.com:800)

</comment><comment><USER71> Do miss the 90's internet. I remember having no interest in programming yet be able to conjure up a quick fan webpage on angelfire using nothing but simple html and Microsoft Frontpage. It became such a satisfying experience that I ended up creating a few more and even one dedicated to my girlfriend!

</comment><comment><USER72> Tbh, I was hoping for an embedded midi file with no sound control. :)

My favourite part of this experience was my reaction to seeing your ICQ number. It was 'dang, he was a couple thousand ahead of me.' Somehow I still remember my ICQ number, though I don't think I've used it since 2001.

</comment><comment><USER73> [http://brendanberkley.com/first- site/brendan.html](http://brendanberkley.com/first-site/brendan.html)

A lot of gems in mine:

\- "Gar Trek" shirt on a Star Wars site

\- Phantom Menace my favorite Star Wars movie (ask me anything)

\- Mamma and Dogpile, CDNow, and Pepsi World

\- JavaScript Alert!

<comment><USER74> I cannot express my disappointment in the "The Ultimate Quiz" being unavailable.

[http://brendanberkley.com/first- site/ultimatequiz.html](http://brendanberkley.com/first- site/ultimatequiz.html)

<comment><USER73> [http://brendanberkley.com/first- site/underconstruction.gif](http://brendanberkley.com/first- site/underconstruction.gif)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER75> This made me realize my old bootleg trading site is probably somewhere, and sure enough, I found it!

[http://web.archive.org/web/20010405110002/http://dillon2112....](http://web.archive.org/web/20010405110002/http://dillon2112.tripod.com:80/index.html)

Reading through all my banter, I'm most surprised that I was trading MP3s via MySpace in 2000, and that apparently it was first known as FreeDiskSpace.com, which explains why I used it.

[http://web.archive.org/web/20010417000314/http://www.freedis...](http://web.archive.org/web/20010417000314/http://www.freediskspace.com:80/ND_Home.asp)

</comment><comment><USER76> I had something similar to your site in late 1998: [https://web.archive.org/web/19981212032411/http://www.roha.m...](https://web.archive.org/web/19981212032411/http://www.roha.maximumspeed.com:80/)

I was able to clean it up a bit with Macromedia Fireworks in 1999: [https://web.archive.org/web/19991004165614/http://roha.maxim...](https://web.archive.org/web/19991004165614/http://roha.maximumspeed.com:80/)

I don't remember exactly what I used to build these but it was probably some combination of AOLPress, Macromedia Dreamweaver, FrontPage, and Hotdog Professional FTP

</comment><comment><USER77> [http://winblows.com](http://winblows.com) is available!

<comment><USER78> Just a small registration fee of $5400 [1]!

[1]: [https://www.namecheap.com/domains/registration/results.aspx?...](https://www.namecheap.com/domains/registration/results.aspx?domain=winblows.com)

</comment></comment><comment><USER79> Here's mine: [http://users.otenet.gr/~serafeim/old.htm](http://users.otenet.gr/~serafeim/old.htm) \- it's first version was from around 1998 when I was 16 years old so please don't be too judgmental :)

It was just a bunch of static html pages that were uploaded through FTP to my internet provider's space. Funny thing - my internet provider _still_ supports publishing home pages so the page remains active for around 20 years (!) with a bunch of revisions: [http://users.otenet.gr/~serafeim/](http://users.otenet.gr/~serafeim/) \-- too bad the cgi-bin counter is not working anymore :(

<comment><USER80> Jeez, otenet? They're still keeping the servers running?

<comment><USER79> Apparently yes - I don't think it's the same server from 1998 through...

I think that it's a smart move of them actually. There are lots of business (and simple users) that have set up their business web page through this service (here's a list of all accounts with pages there [http://users.otenet.gr);](http://users.otenet.gr\);) most of these people people will want to keep their business or hobby web sites so they won't change internet providers and stick with otenet!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER67> I recently remembered I still somewhere have printouts of all the Geocities signup/setup instructions from their website in 1995... Will have to dig those out of storage and post them up sometime. Would be a neat little view into the past, for sure!

</comment><comment><USER81> Great stuff, I miss the old web sometimes

I was reminded by your post that I had a game dev website back in 2000-2001 but I couldn't remember the url. After half an hour of google-foo I managed to find it. Tried wayback machine and, unbelievable, it's archived!

If anyone is interested in visual basic gamedev in DirectX 7 written by a 19 year old non-native english speaker, here you go:

[https://web.archive.org/web/20011201013648/http://www.ancien...](https://web.archive.org/web/20011201013648/http://www.ancientcode.f2s.com:80/)

Scroll to the bottom to find the glorious

 _Best viewed at 1024x768 with IE 4.0 and above_

Good times :)

</comment><comment><USER82> Oh, I'm all over this one. My OG KoolAid Fan Site. See if you can crack the secret club password.

[http://www.angelfire.com/oh5/koolaid/](http://www.angelfire.com/oh5/koolaid/)

<comment><USER83> Because you asked -- gates ;)

</comment></comment><comment><USER68> During this era I had a copy of Hotwired Style [1] - it was really the beginning of a new art form, and that book meant so much to me. At some point I lost it, but even though it'd be outdated today, I'd like to pick it up again.

Very first web project was putting together an online zine with a fugazi interview my friend had done. I don't know what happened to it, but it's possible I've got it on a decomposing Zip Disc somewhere.

1: [https://www.amazon.com/Hotwired-Style-Principles-Building- Sm...](https://www.amazon.com/Hotwired-Style-Principles-Building- Smart/dp/1888869097)

</comment><comment><USER84> There's nobody that used more drop-shadow and Kai's Power Tools than me.

<comment><USER85> Icing on top of that Papyrus logo.

</comment></comment><comment><USER86> Here's a photo page from mine in 1997 (still sitting on my hard drive).

[http://seanfitzroy.com/old/1997/fantasyfest/index.html](http://seanfitzroy.com/old/1997/fantasyfest/index.html)

A GIF "writes out" the title on a notepad background image. Then it "refreshes" to the actual photo page — but it's timed for a 56k modem so the text takes about 10 seconds to appear.

At least it taught me Photoshop and ImageReady. All hand-coded (poorly) in Notepad on Windows 95. Sorry for the Comic Sans.

</comment><comment><USER87> It's awesomely cringy, as it should be, well done! I wish I still had mine!

</comment><comment><USER88> This brings back memories, I found my site: ([http://mypollsorelse.iwarp.com](http://mypollsorelse.iwarp.com)) and my friends site I did the markup for: ([http://steaksteaksteak.iwarp.com](http://steaksteaksteak.iwarp.com))

Honestly I'm amazed these are still up, it's been almost 20 years and I don't think there's a chance I'll remember the password or email I used.

P. S. I was 12 when I wrote it, just ignore the ridiculous content

</comment><comment><USER89> All we really needed were embedded comments on pages and RSS feeds.

It's sad that everything turned into bland walled gardens incapable of interaction between services.

 _Shakes fist at MySpace and Facebook_

Edit: What I mean by that is you used to be able to subscribe to RSS feeds from nearly anywhere that published things. But now people are publishing inside of these services that don't really offer access so you have to check Facebook, Twitter, etc, to get updates. Sure there are notification systems now but it's definitely not as flexible.

</comment><comment><USER90> My 20 year old website, now archived on oocities. A nested mess of tables and inline styles...

[http://www.oocities.org/siliconvalley/peaks/3657/hyper- index...](http://www.oocities.org/siliconvalley/peaks/3657/hyper-index.html) [http://www.oocities.org/siliconvalley/peaks/3657/ben- geek.ht...](http://www.oocities.org/siliconvalley/peaks/3657/ben-geek.html)

</comment><comment><USER91> Oh geeze... This brings back memories. I didn't do Geocities. I took an HTML class at my local ISP (yes that existed). This was the earliest version I could find on Wayback Machine:

[https://web.archive.org/web/19991006132018/http://www.richne...](https://web.archive.org/web/19991006132018/http://www.richnet.net:80/~mystical/)

It's profoundly terrible, but I'm still in web development, so there's that...

</comment><comment><USER92> I think those old websites are great and it's a shame that so many were lost in time or with the destruction of geocities. I resurrected my own from some backup I had kept by some stroke of luck, the site was originally created on the defunct French website mygale.org around 1997 or so. Here is it now for the curious : [https://www.bidouille.org/ext/old_site/](https://www.bidouille.org/ext/old_site/) :)

</comment><comment><USER93> Reminds me of when I found a circa 1999 archive of my old site. Uploaded it here: [http://worldmaker.net/wmo99/](http://worldmaker.net/wmo99/)

It mostly inspired my current blog design when I realized I could do so much better at the pseudo-LCARS thing with flexbox and border-radius today instead of TABLEs and corner gifs I had to work with then. I'd like to think that 90s HS kid me would be quite proud at my current blog design.

</comment><comment><USER94> On a somewhat related note, be interested to hear if others have kept their old source code.

I started coding on a ZX Spectrum, moved to QBasic on a 286 and then later to Turbo Pascal. I remember all my TP code being on a single 1.44mb disk which somehow is now in GDrive, the earliest is from '99.

Every now and again, I enjoy firing up some of those old programs or looking at the source code and handmade bitmaps. I think I most miss the freedom of just writing anything I felt like with no obligations to anyone.

<comment> james-skemp I'm sure I have code on a computer somewhere, or more likely a burned CD, but what I have checked in so far:

[https://github.com/JamesSkemp/HyperJumpNet- Sites](https://github.com/JamesSkemp/HyperJumpNet-Sites)

[https://github.com/JamesSkemp/ReallyOldCrap](https://github.com/JamesSkemp/ReallyOldCrap)

EDIT: If anyone knows of good topics to add on these so that they can be viewed with other really old ones, I'd be interested.

</comment></comment><comment><USER95> Hah, ICQ! I'm slightly disappointed that html tags aren't all in CAPS. Something nice about sites we've used in the 90s, not like these days where DHTML took over.

</comment><comment><USER96> This is the best icon I have seen in a while: [http://boglin.iwarp.com/iexploit.gif](http://boglin.iwarp.com/iexploit.gif)

</comment><comment><USER97> I can sort of see how social networking sites evolved from these kind of websites where people just wanted to share part of their personal lives. Thanks for sharing.

</comment><comment><USER98> My current personal site is like this! www.shanewilton.com

<comment><USER82> That midi file ... amazing

</comment></comment><comment><USER99> At first I was cringing, but then felt nostalgic for the days before Facebook and other social gathering sites homogenized people's Internet presence.

</comment><comment><USER100> OP if it makes you feel any better, the original Space Jam (movie) website is still online, and it still looks like the '90s took a dump all over it. Loaded quickly on my 28.8Kbps modem. [https://www.warnerbros.com/archive/spacejam/movie/jam.htm](https://www.warnerbros.com/archive/spacejam/movie/jam.htm)

</comment><comment><USER67> Suddenly remembering when Geocities was so new, their ToS required that you manually place a banner image and link back to geocities.com on your site. It wasn't auto-injected server-side. They actually would browse through the sites and manually verify you link back to them. I remember how affronted I felt when they started doing their auto-frame/banner thing server-side. haha :)

</comment><comment><USER101> Here's an old personal site of mine linking to even older ones (in reverse chronological order): [http://www.cydeweys.com/archive/archives.html](http://www.cydeweys.com/archive/archives.html)

There's blinks, marquees, under construction banners, hit counters, webrings, background MIDIs, even frames and a navigation image map.

</comment><comment><USER102> This made me dig up my twenty years ago college attempt at a humorous web zine in 1998. It still lives on in Wayback Machine.

[https://web.archive.org/web/20010422120204/http://www.afn.or...](https://web.archive.org/web/20010422120204/http://www.afn.org:80/~afn63844/bob/121797bob.html)

</comment><comment><USER103> The HN "Hug of Death" strikes again (as of 0300 GMT 3 March):

"... this has caused your site to exceed the Bandwidth or Storage limits..."

</comment><comment><USER104> `Congratulations, it looks like your site is expanding. Unfortunately this has caused your site to exceed the Bandwidth or Storage limits. Based on our Terms of Service, we have disabled the site until the end of the month(depends on site setup date), or until you upgrade to a higher hosting package.` You mean a website from the 90's cant handle the HN hug of death?

<comment><USER35> This completes the 90s experience.

</comment></comment><comment><USER105> Maybe a little embarrassing, but overall beautiful just as a reminder of how innocent the internet, and most people on it, were back then.

</comment><comment><USER106> I found a text only backup of my Pokémon fan site from 1999 and spent some time piecing all the images back together from Archive and Reocities. Thank goodness for all the hotlinking I did back then :)

It lives in all its frameset glory at [https://cooltrainer.org/oldbpu/](https://cooltrainer.org/oldbpu/)

</comment><comment><USER107> I was looking at your pics and was like "I think I went to high school with this guy".

Turns out I went to high school with you.

<comment><AUTHOR> I think there are at least a few of us here on HN!

Feel free to send me an e-mail if you'd like. It's in my HN profile.

</comment></comment><comment><USER108> I'm trying to page you on Yahoo but not getting an response :-(

EDIT: oh, I see your note "my yahoo pager is screwed too"

<comment><AUTHOR> I actually just tried to sign in to it, but it wants to do 2FA using an e-mail address I didn't even remember I had. So I guess I'm permanently locked out of that Yahoo account. :(

</comment></comment><comment><USER109> I wonder how much winblows.com is going for.

Edit: I'll update in 24 hours when a BuyDomains expert responds to my spam email address.

<comment><USER109> $5,388. Not worth the humor of owning it.

</comment></comment><comment><USER110> Oh, my. That...

...brings back memories.

I hope the younger folk appreciate all the web-design sins we committed before they were born, so that no one else need repeat them, ever again.

I might still have a page or two left over from 1998 or thereabouts, on a PATA hard drive collecting cosmic rays in my garage. But no, you can't see them. I am too ashamed.

</comment><comment><USER111> Me (1994): I should buy up a bunch of english dictionary word .com domains, since they are so cheap, I cant lose money.

Domains bought: 0

Bad memories.

<comment><USER58> I almost registered Google.com using namezero. I could have changed history...

Edit: After searching archive.org it looks like I was way off. Google.com was registered in 1997 while NameZero wasn't launched until ~1999/2000.

<comment><USER112> Why would you register 'google', it wasn't even a word in use?

</comment></comment></comment><comment> Method-X The site is down due to increased traffic from HN. Here is an archived version: [https://web.archive.org/web/20180303000007/http://boglin.iwa...](https://web.archive.org/web/20180303000007/http://boglin.iwarp.com)

</comment><comment><USER113> The 'Sign Up' button got me. I thought I was signing up to your blog's subscription or something.

</comment><comment><USER114> It brings me back the memories of my first website created with Frontpage. I forgot the URL of the site but I found it after googling. I was amazed to see that it was still working. Here it is [http://pranav.awardspace.com](http://pranav.awardspace.com)

</comment><comment><USER115> I had a page up on the iwarp.com domain too from the late 90s! [http://counterwave.iwarp.com/](http://counterwave.iwarp.com/) -> it was pure Flash (Flash 4) so it doesn't really even work anyway. It was so much fun. I miss those days.

</comment><comment><USER116> The site is down, you can see it in whole here: [https://web.archive.org/web/20050212133946/http://boglin.iwa...](https://web.archive.org/web/20050212133946/http://boglin.iwarp.com/)

</comment><comment><USER117> Oh my. My first site was also a little embarrassing, but this was 2011/2012, so it wasn't quite so flashy :) [http://www.foodthechildren.com/default.php](http://www.foodthechildren.com/default.php)

<comment><USER60> This is actually quite charming. Thanks for sharing it!

</comment></comment><comment><USER118> You should be proud of something that loads in under 1 second! I miss that Internet, you could even surf it on dialup without tearing your hair out. These days a multi-megabit broadband connextion seems to struggle and I'm wondering if I can get a fiber...

</comment><comment><USER119> I love how everyone if filling in the Guest Book! I indulged as well. ;) Man... guest books...

<comment><AUTHOR> So far it's about 5 trolls for every real post. :)

</comment></comment><comment><USER120> Oh man, I have mine in some archived files somewhere, I need to dig it up!

UNDER CONSTRUCTION animated gifs FTW

</comment><comment><USER121> This is so great! I miss the Geocities Chic aesthetic. ;)

I missed my old website so much I made a new one in the 90s style a little while ago complete with HTML 3 accurate markup: [http://mcanally.io](http://mcanally.io)

</comment><comment><USER122> Wow, love it. Mine was terrible too. I eventually got into some pretty crazy website designs that were completely an expression of art and UX experiments. We had a sort of underground network of other similar websites that gave a since of community.

</comment><comment><USER123> Considering that this is #1 on HN, that free, 20-year-old server has some damn good uptime!

</comment><comment><USER124> I wonder if you got the animated red dot GIF from bellsnwhistles.com. I sure used their gifs on my first website (sadly lost to time, courtesy of angelfire deleting unpopular pages + a particularly nasty Windows bug that deleted my local copy)

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> The site was down for a bit due to using up my free bandwidth quota, so I decided to pay them for a month of service to get it back up.

According to the site's admin panel, they've been hosting it free for 972 weeks so I figure I owe them. :)

</comment><comment><USER125> I remember some of those old free text image sites where you could make stuff like your title. Ah the good old days. I'm disappointed by your lack of frames btw, I feel like every site had frames in frames back in those days. :)

<comment><USER126> Everyone used to use those in their forum signature. Was it flaming text or something? I can't remember the site we all used!

Edit: found it [http://flamingtext.com/](http://flamingtext.com/)

<comment><USER125> Yep that's the one! haha awesome.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER127> At one point (96/97), I ran an informational website devoted to Final Fantasy 4. It's still around, surprisingly.

[http://cecilpl_david.tripod.com/](http://cecilpl_david.tripod.com/)

</comment><comment><USER128> I remember guestbooks! This is awesome, I remember making my Guestbook in fifth grade to take song and music video requests I would embed on a separate page.

All you're missing is an animated mouse and a hit counter. This really made me smile.

</comment><comment><USER129> What strikes me is that this was the technology on which the .com bubble was founded.

</comment><comment><USER130> Shameless plug:

I intentionally went in this direction when I made a website for my band. I think it's high time this aesthetic came back into fashion.

[https://www.smock-frock.com](https://www.smock-frock.com)

</comment><comment><USER131> I still have my 1994 looking website on-line. Because of the content, it still averages 310 GB of traffic a month (if I'm to believe awstats).

[http://www.w6rz.net](http://www.w6rz.net)

</comment><comment><USER132> I got me one of those embarassing homepages from the 90s too

[http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~keithn/](http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~keithn/)

can't even run my java apps anymore :/

</comment><comment><USER133> I had a couple of websites in the late 90's but unfortunately they seem to have gone forever, since the hosting was part of my modem subscription. Sadly, it seems that the Internet Archive did not pick them up.

</comment><comment><USER134> This was mine from 1996, and it wasn't even my FIRST site - this was the "redesign":

[http://www.goldsounds.com/yoyo/](http://www.goldsounds.com/yoyo/)

<comment><AUTHOR> Flames, dripping blood, and an under construction sign. Definitely from the 90s! Thanks for sharing :)

</comment></comment><comment><USER135> I posted mine on the w3c's 20th anniversary in 2014 [http://www.kevinmarks.com/myfirstwebsite.html](http://www.kevinmarks.com/myfirstwebsite.html)

</comment><comment><USER136> Mine is also on same network, [http://davinder.8m.net](http://davinder.8m.net) although now I have forgot the password. Current one is DavChana.com

</comment><comment><USER137> <blockquote>, <blockquote>, <center>... checks out.

</comment><comment><USER138> I too remember ICQ number. ICQ was popular in Russia until Facebook clone VK came along in 2005-06, and then still used for important contacts(who refused to leave it) in business.

</comment><comment><USER139> I love this. It's so cool. Bring back this kind of Internet.

</comment><comment><USER140> Here is my embarassing personal website from the 2010s: [https://gnu.moe/](https://gnu.moe/)

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> In case anyone is really bored, I just updated the site for the first time in 19 years and swapped out the broken guestbook for one that works. =)

</comment><comment><USER141> Does look good in Netscape though...

[https://i.imgur.com/zpZh3HW.png](https://i.imgur.com/zpZh3HW.png)

</comment><comment><USER142> The website of a local taxi bureau here: [http://taxipol.nl/](http://taxipol.nl/) :)

</comment><comment><USER143> Man those overexposed and noisy webcam photos really take me back. I have a whole folder from about 15 years ago that look exactly the same.

</comment><comment><USER144> this one still works [http://www.heavensgate.com/](http://www.heavensgate.com/)

</comment><comment><USER145> reminds me of mine ( [http://reu.iwarp.com](http://reu.iwarp.com) ), also on iwarp :p

</comment><comment><USER146> when I was 14 in 1994 it made sense to make my first website about dog poo. The site disappeared in 97 after a harddrive died and I lost interested dog poo... but then 6 years later I managed to recover it from the waybackmachine: [http://dogpoopage.com/](http://dogpoopage.com/)

</comment><comment><USER147> I wish I had an archive of it.. My first ever website when I was a kid was a dragon ball page with a bunch of .gif ;-)

</comment><comment><USER148> Takes me back, but it loads way too fast :)

<comment><USER85> It's like ANSI graphics that load instantly: it's painful to witness. Unless it's like ticker tape rolling out, it just ain't right.

</comment></comment><comment><USER149> Your "About Me" page has information that would be considered very private/PII in the 21st century.

</comment><comment><USER150> See also [http://tilde.club](http://tilde.club) for some new-old fun

</comment><comment><USER151> I miss the silly 90s microsoft hate, it actually made me look outside the MS bubble and learn other platforms.

</comment><comment><USER152> Your link to yamahausa is mistyped as yahahausa.com. But then again, most of the links are dead. Carry on!

</comment><comment><USER153> This really made me smile. Thank you.

</comment><comment><USER154> Mine went down on geocities when my yahoo account expired from not logging into it and I was very sad.

</comment><comment><USER155> The OP's site is how I remember that era. Using a toothbrush now to scrub my eyes with. Thanks.

</comment><comment><USER156> I think many of us have something like this in our archives, but we lack your courage to show it! =)

</comment><comment><USER157> Mine just made IE crash or blue screen... Like most pages did, I guess... But mine was intentional.

</comment><comment><USER158> This is the coolest fucking website.

</comment><comment><USER159> It certainly looked a lot better back then when default site backgrounds were eye-friendly gray.

</comment><comment><USER160> There are still many simple websites made today. They are certainly hard to find, but not gone.

</comment><comment><USER161> > IF YOU DON'T SIGN THE GUESTBOOK I MAY HAVE TO KILL YOU. HAVE A NICE DAY.

Well that was heart warming :)

</comment><comment><USER162> Wish I could click and get Netscape

</comment><comment><USER163> No mention here of how Chrome's HTTPS policy will affect these sites? I'm surprised!

</comment><comment><USER164> One thing I noticed: Xoom.com referenced in the webpage is now a large money transfer company

<comment><USER93> XOOM was a great free website host for several years before they sold the domain and broke SO many links.

</comment></comment><comment><USER165> Miss you, <td> vertically and horizontally center... that was a real accomplishment

</comment><comment><USER166> Your guestbook is filling up. A reminder that nothing about social media is truly new...

</comment><comment><USER167> I can't sign the guest book, I get a 500 error. Please don't kill me! :-)

</comment><comment><USER168> If this gave you chronic nostalgia head over here and click surprise me: wiby.me

</comment><comment><USER169> > A fairly new pic of me. I don't look like a dumbass anymore!!

hahhaha classic nostalgia.

</comment><comment><USER170>
        <!-- '"AWS"' -->

What does this line do?

</comment><comment><USER67> dude, yes! I love that spinning Netscape cube! One of my favorite gifs from the era. That and the obligatory "Made with a Macintosh" found at the bottom of so many websites back then :)

</comment><comment><USER171> How the heck is this website from a decade ago more secure than LinkedIn?

</comment><comment><USER172> Hahaha the amount of attempted XSS and SQL injection in the guest book...

</comment><comment><USER173> I didn't know that in the 90's Google Analytics ever exists!.

</comment><comment><USER174> God I wish Geocities never went down. What a lost trove of websites.

</comment><comment><USER175> Great nostalgia. What a fun and unique time for the web, truly.

</comment><comment><USER176> The only thing this page is missing is a marquee element :-)

</comment><comment><USER177> I think you must have been the inspiration for lingscars.com

</comment><comment><USER178> Uhm, you bandwidth limit has been exceeded for your host.

</comment><comment><USER179> Unlimited WEB SPACE, EMAIL & CHAT ??

I better get on this one quick..

</comment><comment><USER180> Why all the Micro$oft hate? J++! Those were the days.

<comment><AUTHOR> To be fair, I was 17 and fighting the man was the cool thing to do. :)

I see you're a fan of Elm. Me too! I'm also slowly working on an Elm side project. Sadly, I don't think it'll ever get as much attention on HN as my 1999 website has over the past few hours.

<comment><USER180> What's your side project?

I started writing a budgeting app but it's too much for a single person side project. I might release a early alpha version out there on Github and hope other people join in.

<comment><USER181> I'd be interested in this, please do drop me an email if you do put this on GitHub. Thanks.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER182> You had CAPTCHA. Very advanced for the '90s.

</comment><comment><USER183> My favorite thing is how it instantly loaded.

</comment><comment><USER184> That is some serious linkrot you have there.

</comment><comment><USER185> RIP Missi and Adam's pages :'(

</comment><comment><USER186> Epic! Had totally forgotten about ICQ!

</comment><comment><USER187> Note - works great on mobile =)

</comment><comment><USER188> You're very brave showing that!

</comment><comment><USER189> Awesome. Awesome to the max!

</comment><comment><USER190> what no <blink> tags?

</comment><comment><USER191> I unironically love this.

</comment><comment><USER192> Ah, the Netscape cube :)

</comment><comment><USER193> No MIDI autoplay? :(

</comment><comment><USER194> I miss those days

</comment><comment><USER195> Nice job, Ry ;)

</comment><comment><USER196> Nice job Gumby

<comment><USER197> GUMBBBYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

</comment></comment><comment><USER198> haha kiss of death of HN

<comment><USER199> "You are growing" hahha

</comment></comment><comment> d--b oh man winblows.com

</comment><comment><USER200> HN'd:

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<comment><USER201> [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Abogli...](http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Aboglin.iwarp.com)

It is a poor substitute though.

</comment></comment><comment><USER202> Ah, I remember the days when I was a young child cruising messageboards. When I found one that didn't escape HTML text, I would copy and paste the entire source code of another website into the message box and watch as I destroyed the forum by dropping an entire website into it.

</comment><comment><USER203> Makes me miss the pre-Goog/Face-ification version of the web, when people created sites because they wanted to, and not because they thought they could monetize them or use them to gather private data.

</comment><comment> cup-of-tea Disappointed to find that winblows.com is no longer up.</comment>


Code review that isn't boring - <AUTHOR> https://blogs.janestreet.com/code-review-that-isnt-boring/

<comment><USER3> If scenario 2 or 3 is a regular occurrence then 1 of 2 things is true - <USER2> team is too large for the code base (so people are crawling over each other), or the underlying code is too coupled together (so people are stepping on each others toes) - either way the team is going to spend too much time merging in each others changes - compared to say writing actual code.

Reviewboard has had the ability to compare different versions of the diff for a long time. I don't see anything new or innovative being proposed in this post.

I have yet to come across a review tool which provides inline code coverage (with before and after snapshots) - this would allow me to check that a) any tests included actually exercise the new code b) the new code hasn't impacted the testability of old code. - It isn't a guarantee but it would be an easier way to do the job.

<comment><USER4> I would really like to see inline code coverage as well. Does review board have a suggestion box?</comment></comment>


Markoff's Gated Community Should Die in a Fire - <AUTHOR> http://push.cx/2009/markoffs-gated-community

<comment><USER2> From the author in his site's comments:

"What's changed is that they're not trying to build their own walled gardens, they're trying to fence in the commons."

This is very important to keep in mind.

</comment><comment><USER3> Agreed.

In this safety-addled society, though, I would not be surprised if some of his worst ideas did not come to pass.

When society prizes safety above all else, then creativity that would have in the end actually made society more sanely safe is de-prioritized, and is therefore counterproductive.</comment>


Ask HN: Best tool to build a single page, text-focused static content site? - <AUTHOR> Strikingly isn't text focused enough - the typography sucks and page load times are huge Squarespace isn't designed for long form content either
If there was a good HTML template I'd buy that and host on S3
Is there a nice way to build a mobile focused single page content site, ideally with a mobile friendly table of contents? <comment><USER2> I use Jekyll for my blog and have found it to be pretty easy to work with for the most part. You'll probably get 40 other people on this thread also using Jekyll... Most also deploying github pages. I currently deploy my blog on Heroku because I had some familiarity with it after using it for a prior project. Heroku is also easy for deployment, but a free dyno might not suit your needs. (Oh whoops, you're wanting to host on S3...)

I don't have much experience working with CSS, and I generally hate doing it, so I looked around at various themes for some basic styling. I ended up forking a simple theme that I liked ([https://github.com/renyuanz/leonids](https://github.com/renyuanz/leonids)) and then tweaked with it a bit to fit my preferences. Some changes were needed, but the solid foundation made it much easier to make it look good on both desktop and mobile.

</comment><comment><USER3> > Best tool to build a single page, text-focused static content site?

Vim.

Ok, seriously. You probably want Sphinx. Some very nice, mobile-friendly themes (I like Paramiko), and it can easily build a single page with table of contents automatically from a collection of rst or markdown pages. It's technically for documentation, but some people use it for their static web sites and blogs. Ideal for a text-driven site. I used it once to build a single-page documentation site, with table of contents (no longer online).

If you want a service that supports Sphinx, instead of deploying yourself on s3 or github, you can use readthedocs: [https://readthedocs.org/](https://readthedocs.org/) For no ads, you can use their commercial service at [https://readthedocs.com](https://readthedocs.com)

Mkdocs is another documentation generator like Sphinx with some attractive themes you could customize.

What kind of long-form content? Sounds interesting.

0\. Sphinx: [http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/stable/](http://www.sphinx- doc.org/en/stable/)

1\. A few Sphinx themes: [http://www.writethedocs.org/guide/tools/sphinx- themes/](http://www.writethedocs.org/guide/tools/sphinx-themes/)

3\. Here's a blog post (written with Sphinx) on using Sphinx as a static site generator: [http://echorand.me/site/notes/articles/sphinx/static_html.ht...](http://echorand.me/site/notes/articles/sphinx/static_html.html)

<comment><AUTHOR> Oh, great idea. Main thing missing for me in readthedocs is the mobile table of contents view feels somewhat unfriendly / poor usability. But I'll do some more mobile ToC usability research.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> You might not need a static site generator for a single page website. Why not simply author it directly in HTML and CSS? It might actually be faster (and simpler) to code by hand.

Here are two dummy test pages I made a while ago to see if I could create a fast-loading, fairly lengthy text page for slow mobile connections.

There is no table of contents, but you could add that as a simple list of links to the top of the page.

Version A (no font loading): [http://interfacesketch.com/test/energy-book- synopsis-a.html](http://interfacesketch.com/test/energy-book-synopsis-a.html)

Version B (loads custom fonts - an extra 40kb approx): [http://interfacesketch.com/test/energy-book- synopsis-b.html](http://interfacesketch.com/test/energy-book-synopsis-b.html)

</comment><comment><USER5> Because of github pages support, Jekyll is the most popular, but Hugo[0] seems to be the best for other circumstances. The documentation is great and it is written in golang.

[0[[https://gohugo.io/](https://gohugo.io/)

Edit: I should clarify, 'the most popular'... Static Site Generator (SSG)... is Jekyll.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jekyll_(software)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jekyll_\(software\))

In my case, I run Hugo on a local box, push it to S3, and put cloudflare in front of that endpoint.

</comment><comment><USER6> Was looking for same a couple of months ago and the latest 2017 Wordpress theme just came in handy for my own self-hosted blog at [http://www.nukepep.com](http://www.nukepep.com) . I understand it is different from building it yourself but, in this case, the solution was just good enough to me and deal done. No fancy widgets, no comments, just pagination and short text posts.

<comment><USER7> +1

Get site building out of the way of whatever you real goal is.

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> I've used Middleman[1] in the past to generate static websites. The output can be easily uploaded to S3 and should just work.

I used my own templates at the time but I believe there are mobile friendly and responsive available.

[1] [https://middlemanapp.com](https://middlemanapp.com)

</comment><comment><USER9> I'm not sure about mobile friendly. You could probably use just about any template and hire a freelancer to touch it up.

But I just want to put my vote in for Jekyll. Makes static site generation a breeze and I use it for any site that I host these days.

<comment><AUTHOR> Nice! And looks like there are some jekyll+scrollspy combinations.

i.e. [https://knanne.github.io/posts/how-to-create-custom-post- nav...](https://knanne.github.io/posts/how-to-create-custom-post-navigation- in-jekyll) (no ToC on mobile w this implementation, though)

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> For [http://penandpapersoftware.com/accomplish/](http://penandpapersoftware.com/accomplish/) and the accompanying blog we entirely used GitHub Pages. Took me about 3 hours to fully make everything in that website from content to style, except the blog posts which were each an hour and were written entirely in markdown. And since we hand rolled all the content and style it was trivial to make it work great on both mobile and desktop. Try scrolling through the blog code snippets, silky smooth!

</comment><comment><USER11> Can you give a little more context on the site you're making?

Bootstrap has a component called Scrollspy [1] that does a nice menu-based list of contents. Is Bootstrap not enough / overkill for what you want to do?

What about just writing some simple HTML and CSS?

[1]: [https://v4-alpha.getbootstrap.com/components/scrollspy/](https://v4-alpha.getbootstrap.com/components/scrollspy/)

<comment><AUTHOR> Scrollspy looks great, thank you.

Single page guides with education on specific topics. e.g. "How to do X". Where the alternative would be writing a book, or a long blog post, or maybe an infographic.

And yeah, you're right. Maybe I should just do HTML/CSS. Now leaning that way.

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> Pandoc is nice for markdown text: [http://pandoc.org/demos.html](http://pandoc.org/demos.html)

</comment><comment><USER13> Hugo + Digital Ocean [0]. I find it a powerful low cost combination with a lot of flexibility.

\- [0] [https://www.robinwieruch.de/own-website-in-five- days/](https://www.robinwieruch.de/own-website-in-five-days/)

</comment><comment><USER14> GitHub pages + Jekyll + Markdown is very very simple

</comment><comment><USER15> Markdown and some basic css?</comment>


Zero Todo ~ Todo workflow for inbox zeroists. - <AUTHOR> http://www.asbjornenge.com/wwc/zero_todo.html

<comment><USER2> Email can be a good todo... inbox. But a todo inbox is completely different to a todo list (which has deadlines, priorities, dependencies, etc.)

<comment><AUTHOR> Yeah, a todo inbox seems like a good description. I use it for stacking ideas, links and other things quickly. And then of-course I have to work through my inbox and perform action. That action might be adding the item to a task manager which will have more functionality.</comment></comment>


To make a perfect mirror, physicists confront the mystery of glass - <AUTHOR> http://abstractions.nautil.us/article/535/to-make-the-perfect-mirror-physicists-confront-the-mystery-of-glass <comment> seph-reed The notion of dropping molecules one at a time blows my mind. It's the kind of thing that seemingly should be able to create materials with properties that only sci-fi would dare to imagine today.

They aren't yet to the point of being able to completely direct these molecules, nor would they know exactly where to direct them, but someday we will be able to.

<comment><USER2> Building a tetrahedron of molecules sounds less like manipulating "glass" than growing a crystal.

I feel like the fractal properties of crystals could be used to grow a very precise mirror that would provide the constructive interference this mirror needs. Instead of a fluid, it would be a single unit, and the molecules would be trying to arrange themselves into shape. I'm no expert though, and I have no idea whether the physics allows it.

The technology already exists in the semiconductor industry for making extremely pure silicon wafers. Each wafer is actually a slice of a single gigantic silicon crystal. [1] If that could be used with a transparent material, I think it could be a decent alternative to glass.

[1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monocrystalline_silicon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monocrystalline_silicon)

<comment><USER3> Rolls Royce makes its turbine blades out of a single perfect crystal in a similar way, it's the only way to achieve the strength and heat resistance they need with the material they use.

[https://www.theengineer.co.uk/rolls-royce-single-crystal- tur...](https://www.theengineer.co.uk/rolls-royce-single-crystal-turbine- blade/)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> Wasn't this on YC news a couple weeks ago?

<comment><USER5> Indeed it was: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22765531](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22765531)</comment></comment>


Automation and management of open source databases in the cloud - <AUTHOR> https://severalnines.com/blog/announcing-clustercontrol-16-automation-and-management-open-source-databases-cloud <comment><USER2> We used this a few years ago for MySQL Cluster automated installation, management and control. It is still the only really good product out there for NDB.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks!

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> I used this about 2 years ago and it was absolute junk...it couldn't run a mongo cluster and seemed to be half complete functionality wise. They were certainly more than willing to take my license fee.

I see it still has a very dated UI. Hopefully the system actually does what the company promises.

<comment><AUTHOR> Hi, we spent all last year improving the MongoDB functionality AND we hired a UX designer who has revamped the UI (and is continuing to) Soooo.... try it again, would love to know if you still like its "junk" :)</comment></comment>


Apple Introducing New Mac Pro, Pro iMacs and External Display Over Next Year - <AUTHOR> https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/04/apple-pushes-the-reset-button-on-the-mac-pro/ <comment><USER3> Active discussion here: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14031619](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14031619)

</comment><comment><USER4> I've definitely struggled with getting a good bang for my performance buck on the macOS ecosystem for building a video editing or gaming rig. These days you can find a pre-made PC with 32gb RAM, GTX 1070, core i7 and more for $1400, but mac specs come nowhere close for that kind of price. Really don't want to move back to the Windows ecosystem but also paying over 2x for worse specs is silly.

<comment><USER5> If you don't want to code on it, windows is fine. (and if you can get past them violating your privacy)

If you need to code on it.... just don't

I love my windows machine for doing all my leisure activities. Its a shame that after all these years they can't learn from linux/mac and make a decent dev environment

I remember how mind blowing it was to install pip/python on my windows when I was first starting out. Easily installing packages from the cmd, so revolutionary! /s

<comment><USER6> _If you don 't want to code on it, windows is fine._

 _If you need to code on it.... just don 't_

VirtualBox with Xubuntu Linux in Seamless mode for my Windows laptop. I bought a Windows laptop with a GTX 1070. Now I can do VR on my laptop, but bash in Windows was half baked. It's better to use VirtualBox!

<comment><USER7> > How to make Windows usable, step 1: install Linux.

FTFY

<comment><USER8> Windows 10 comes with Ubuntu installed.

<comment><USER9> No, it doesn't. It comes with a portion of Ubuntu tools available for install through some backwards way (or at least it was a few months ago when I installed it). The bash console is probably not as good as PuTTY for SSH management, and that was the big highlight of the functionality for me - <USER2> able to manage my servers without pulling out another computer. It's better than nothing, but it is no where near good enough for me as a dev who works in Unix from development to production. I do use the bash console for some simple server management when I am away from my work machine, but I could not imagine it ever being a worthy replacement for iTerm2 (or any console on Windows, really, not just the Bash console)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> Since they tacitly acknowledge that it still makes sense for people to be on 5,1 graters, I hope this means those machines are officially supported for a couple more major OS X versions.

i.e. I don't want to see macOS 10.13 being "trashcan or newer".

<comment><USER11> As someone with the 6,1 and a recently upgraded 5,1 (single CPU tray to dual, GPU, RAM, SSD), I hope you're right. I like the idea of the 6,1 but in reality the 5,1 is what I'd expect from a pro machine. The upgrade procedures for a 6,1 are not ideal and in some cases almost impossible. That's not a 'pro'duct.

Hopefully you're right!

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> They really need to look at the Microsoft Surface line of products for some cues. Especially, the Surface Studio - it has some great features, even though I would consider it unforgivably underpowered/overpriced for what it tries to do.

Kind of makes me want to corner Jony Ive and ask him what the hell was he thinking letting Microsoft steal that march.

<comment><USER13> Don't hold your breath:

> It's worth noting that, when asked about a touch display here, in the > context of efforts like Microsoft's Surface Studio Schiller replies "No."

> "That's a whole other long discussion we can get into, but suffice it to > say, it's not a big need of the Mac Pro customers that we're trying to > address," he says. "You mentioned again how we're talking about both the > iMac and MacBook – I do think that we have a two-prong desktop strategy with > both iMac and Mac Pro, we think are each going to be important for pro > desktops."

</comment></comment><comment><USER14> tl;dr : they designed themselves into a corner with the current Mac Pro, next ones will have modularity as a primary goal.

<comment><USER15> Subtext: they don't actually have anything to show. There are no next ones yet. They planned themselves into a corner by assuming no one wanted this stuff, realize they're screwed, and are trying to spin their way out with press hits like this one to keep developers from jumping ship.

<comment><USER16> Federighi pretty much confirms this; in the 4 years since the Mac Pro, they realized that the Mac Pro won't handle hotter GPUs. But rather than immediately beginning work on a Pro that would handle better GPUs, they just thought better iMacs would be good enough "and really put a lot of our energy behind that". They thought iMacs would be "pro" enough, until the backlash got too much and now they're scrambling to regain developer/professional confidence.

<comment><USER6> _They thought iMacs would be "pro" enough, until the backlash got too much and now they're scrambling to regain developer/professional confidence._

Yet another indication of how out of touch with their customer base they've gotten?

<comment><USER17> Yes. They live on laptops. They develop on Macbook Pros, with (Linux!) servers in a private cloud for heavy computational lifting.

The key idea of the Macintosh and the NeXT---the personal computer---is no longer foremost. Maybe it's time to swing back that way again.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> "There's music creators, there's video editors, there's graphic designers — a really great segment with the Mac. There's scientists, engineers, architects, software programmers — increasingly growing, particularly our App development in the app store"

This is going to be great for software developers.

</comment><comment><USER19> How good is the performance bump they just announced for the Mac Pro? It's also cheaper, right?

</comment><comment><USER20> Is it just me or do they go to extreme lengths to avoid talking about machine learning as a 'pro' workload? Surely there are more people doing ML and BI on this class of machine ($6-12K) than there are producing high-end digital cinema.

<comment><USER16> Yeah. They didn't get Nvidia cards on the MBPs either. They did acknowledge in response to a question by Gruber that developers were the largest/fastest growing segment of pro users.

<comment><USER20> I'd be fine with AMD kit if Apple helped make OpenCL a first-class citizen.

For the dev segment, I hope they look at Homebrew stats and not just regular XCode users.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> > Apple is acknowledging that the Mac Pro they introduced in 2013 has run > aground on the cleverness of its own design

Seriously? They're blaming it on "the cleverness of its own design"?

</comment><comment><USER22> I really wish state of Linux is better. Nothing else comes to mind.

<comment><USER23> Linux works for me. Even the photography tools are pretty cool nowadays.

<comment><USER22> I wish this was true. I got myself a nice set of tools and plugins for Lightroom, it is not easy to just transfer. I have Luminar for example and full suite from Macphun, that is not easy to replace.

But, I do plan to get a new big monitor, and will connect this to new machine running Linux and I can slowly start my transition. That way I can move without fear of missing anything.

This is my thinking at the moment.

<comment><USER21> I've heard good things about Darktable. I'm still a Lightroom user though so far.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER24> Well, minor mention of MacBook Pros too.. I'm saving & hoping for new Macbook Pros this summer. I'll be really sad if i have to wait even longer.

<comment><USER25> They just released new ones in September (the ones with the emoji bar)

<comment><USER24> I've been unhappy with the specs and unhappy about the keyboard/touchbar/touchpad/etc. I'm hoping for improved version identifying the vast number of complaints about that macbook.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER26> $500 off the price tag would help with regaining customer confidence

<comment><USER27> lololololol

It will be $500 more expensive since "pro" users can afford it.

</comment></comment><comment><USER28> Can't innovate anymore, actually yes! :P</comment>


Binary co-founder blames "corrupted" media for his resignation offer - <AUTHOR> https://www.axios.com/jonathan-teo-blames-corrupted-media-for-his-resignation-2456398025.html <comment><USER2> So a VC admits to long-standing sexual harassment, his firm admits that they knew about it and did nothing, and it's the media's fault that the firm is in the news for being slimy? The mind boggles.

It's true: A VC's job is to protect the integrity of the firm's portfolio. But there's no contradiction (I'd like to think) between protecting the portfolio and engaging in decent, upstanding behavior.

This sort of e-mail just re-enforces the belief that these guys were mostly upset about being caught, and don't really recognize how bad their behavior was.

<comment><USER3> Textbook Narcissism.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> > The news we read and have access to is a problem. Media has been corrupted. > The voice of many have been diluted by the agendas of a few.

I, uh, don't think this is the problem, here.

> What I think is that we are an industry full of entitled human beings.

Some more than others. But, yes. Apparently.

> My job is not to make you all feel good [...] My job is to preserve the > integrity of the portfolio we built up and the value in it, and to ensure > the resources you count on do not dematerialize.

Ah, there it is. This entire letter could've just been this.

> I am angry that women have felt hurt. I am angry that many have been hurt.

No you're not. See above.

I get that this may've been written in the heat of the moment, but this is an embarrassment.

</comment><comment><USER5> "The story in the public that you are all trying to buy back shares should be revised. Not for my sake. If that's what any of you want, ok, but know this. I strongly urge you not to be considered part of a group of entrepreneurs that would, at the first sign of trouble or opportunity, choose to renege. It is dishonorable. And it is opportunistic grandstanding. It will hurt the perception of your integrity and it will hurt your ability to raise capital down the line. No investor seeks out that risk. It's not an action of integrity. I would urge you to separate yourself from that narrative if it isn't true of your intentions. If it is, I hope you have a very credible reason to do it besides just doing a shakedown, or to stand outside your integrity for the sake of media perception. I also recommend you speak to each reporter who has quoted that erroneous article and have it corrected."

Nice, a threat that speaking against them/him will hurt your ability to raise money. This seems only barely removed from the retaliation threats and actions Caldbeck did against the former employee (and others he harassed). Seems like a great guy to work with! Also, 'Not for my sake', lol.

Seriously, did one of their lawyers not look this over? They're facing a lawsuit from a former principal alleging extensive retaliation against her throughout the valley, and I suspect this email will wind up being a pretty compelling exhibit in the case.

This does certainly cast yet another shadow on all the public remonstrations of fealty and support shown on various social media channels towards him. In the future, you may want to wait a bit and see how things shake out.

<comment><USER5> Also, holy crap is this terrible: "There are victims out there paying for oppression with their lives. As for the people here that whine that they aren't taken care of, who have not to worry about their lives being taken from them or their basic needs met, who owes them more than the voice they already have access to? To these whiners who want me to constantly address their questions preemptively, I say that we all have priorities."

If I'm reading this correctly, he's basically telling the women/URMs of Silicon Valley, "Hey, at least you're not dying of hunger here, stop whining." I'm really not sure telling those who face harassment and significant discrimination on a daily basis here that they are 'whiners' is a good response to this fiasco. But, then again, I don't run a VC with management fees that would presumably give me access to a world-class PR firm..

What is furthermore galling about this email to his founders is the lack of contrition towards them for the difficult position he and Binary have put them in. His actions and the actions of the firm have undoubtedly caused a great deal of distraction, angst, heartache and anger within the portfolio firms, and those founders deserve nothing but an apology from him. Instead, they are berated and threatened! Why on Earth would anyone read this and ever want to work with him as an investor?

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> What I find most surprising about this email is the juvenile tone. "Moronic", "whiners", accusing investors of "reneging" and "grandstanding".

I'm not surprised to see a C-level that's self-important and holier-than-thou, but I also expect professionalism and decorum, if only to avoid burning bridges.

<comment><USER7> It's the same tone the current president of the United States uses in public tweets, so it is unfortunately not that unusual anymore.

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> This may not be a popular opinion, but hear me out. I do have some intimate experience with witch hunting and the _current_ media... The "witch hunt" is real and fueled by the internet, misinformation, playing on emotions, and outrage.

Let me be super clear... I am not condoning Caldbeck in the least, after all, he did admit guilt. My comment is entirely focused on the hypocrisy of the _current_ media, pretending to stand on the moral pedestal of society, but really just trying to incite outrage to generate pageviews, which generates ad revenue and keeps them in business.

Second, has anybody ever taken a look at the editors, bloggers, and writers at media outlets? I'd predict they as a group are not as diverse as you'd expect. Liberal arts college educated, making middle class salaries. Probably not the group of deep thinkers and intellectuals we'd like to believe.

<comment><USER6> _The "witch hunt" is real and fueled by the internet, misinformation, playing on emotions, and outrage._

It's not a witch hunt if it actually happened. It's just news.

Is it perhaps the case that the media are now doggedly rooting out this kind of thing in SV because it's pushing page views? Sure. But why does that matter? These incidents are real, and it's about time the silence was broken about it.

Is the media, itself, immune to this kind of thing? Obviously not. Fox News provides ample examples. But, again, why is that relevant in this specific context? Does it make Calbeck's actions less serious? Should the media _not_ pursue these very real stories? Should the victims keep silent?

I'm just trying to understand the thrust of your comment, here... because I honestly don't see where you're going with this. It strikes me as mud slinging just to make sure everyone looks equally dirty, in order to somehow minimize what folks like Caldbeck have done.

<comment><USER9> > It's not a witch hunt if it actually happened

It can be. Take the case of Nobel prize winning scientist Tim Hunt who was excoriated online and off and later resigned for comments he in a speech made about woman in science.

Those comments actually happened, but later a full transcript of his speech revealed them to be just a rather poor joke amid comments praising women in science, and were not representative of his actual views and actions over the course of his career.

Then there was the Rosetta mission scientist who caught flak for wearing a risqué tshirt, which actually happened, but the outcry was far disproportionate to the crime especially as it was later revealed that the shirt was given to him in the first place by a female friend.

So it is possible for witch hunts to occur even for things that 'actually happened'

<comment><USER6> You're arguing a technicality regarding one pithy sentence in my comment.

Caldbeck sexually harassed women. Period. He confessed to it. He's now being sued for it.

This is not, in any way, shape, or form, anything remotely resembling a "witch hunt". It's literally the opposite of that, in that the person being accused of the crime is guilty of said crime.

<comment><USER9> > You're arguing a technicality regarding one pithy sentence in my comment.

You're right. My comment was nothing about the case involving Caldbeck, in fact, my entire point was to call out that pithy comment because I don't think it's something that is generally true (even if it might be true in this case).

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> If anyone was left that wanted to work with Jonathan Teo and Binary, this email certainly took care of that. What makes this particularly astounding is he knew it would be leaked, so he wrote this nonsense knowing full-well the public would read it.

</comment><comment><USER11> I think it's easy in situations like this to assume that one party must be right and the other wrong. Chances are for Caldbeck and for his accusers, many signals got mixed up and misread.

Yes it is possible Caldbeck is a cunning predator who knew exactly what he could get away with and used his clout as a VC to grope and harass many women, but it's far more likely that he is not. Far more likely he isn't all that smooth with women and ham-handedly attempted to woo his victims.

He failed to realize how the power dynamic influenced things. This is important for anyone in a position of power to realize. My moment of realization was when I noticed that every single person on a team I led laughed at a joke I made. I realized something was off. The joke simply wasn't _that_ funny. It's easy to see how simple flattery (which is quite normal when dealing with VCs) might have thrown off Caldbeck's compass. Yes I'd expect someone with his level of experience to be aware of it, but some people can go years without realizing they are being flattered.

This is in no way meant to minimize the poor judgment Caldbeck used or to cast any blame at all on his victims. VC is a unique world that is fad-driven and reputation-driven and so the founder of a very hot company has tremendous power over investors, but all other founders are essentially beggars.

I know Jonathan and he's an exceptionally gracious person whose behavior is completely reserved and respectful. I imagine he's quite disappointed about being lumped into all this and having his company's brand ruined by it and his name dragged through the mud for Caldbeck's poor judgment.

<comment><USER12> _He failed to realize how the power dynamic influenced things._

Yes, but I bet he realizes it now. That's the entire point of naming and shaming this behaviour. If you don't understand the negatives of your actions eventually people are going to tell you you're in the wrong. Hopefully you have enough good friends or colleagues who you respect that are able to tell you when you're in the wrong before it gets to this stage.

<comment><USER11> I agree with this.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> i don't understand how these people are all over the press and love it if something they can boast about happens, but hate the press when something that they are ashamed of, but don't want to change, happens

</comment><comment><USER14> My friend another programmer (specialist in C#) and he was wanted to know if women in startups is happy with this outcome and with the "heads rolling", and if itis outcome that they would wanted - if improves startup industry for them. The womens I know not answering my questions (maybe part of silence which problem in industry, maybe problem is I or way of ask) but this anonymous forum here, so maybe if women is here you could answering? Is this results improve situation for you, and what you liked?

Maybe answer is obvious yes. Sorry to asking. In articles by womens she talked about experiences but not mentioned ask to remove of VC's, but maybe is best outcome.

if not woman please not answer: easy to read 1,000 comments from men.

if my comment is hurts you please to mention of this and I remove.</comment>