TikTok CEO Kevin Mayer to leave the company - <AUTHOR> https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/27/tiktok-ceo-kevin-mayer-to-leave-the-company.html <comment><USER2> As a European I find this whole story very confusing. A president that can just force a specific company on very short notice to shut down operation, is very concerning.

What is even more concerning is that a lot of people here tend to agree because of the China thing.

If it is that important, why is there no law that enforces this?

<comment><USER3> I hate this "As a European" generalizations as if Europe has an entirely homogeneous spread of governance. Take this for a second; Bulgaria and Denmark is both Europe, or Hungary and Sweden.

<comment><USER4> You are absolutely right in that it gives the wrong impression of "everyone thinks the same". That said, I don't think that is the intention, ever, when it's used.

There are certain aspects in how things work in the US that are so far disconnected to how it is, in most of Europe, that is baffling. By an large, this difference applies to most of Europe.

It is of course an oversimplification. But, here are a few boggling things: Politics (in particular, money in politics that looks like plain bribery, or political and misleading ads everywhere), for profit private prisons, no maternity leave, unpaid internships, healthcare related personal bankruptcies.

The list goes on and on, and, since this is a by and large difference to Europe, you tend to see the "As a European" phrase.

<comment><USER5> I strongly disagree. There is nobody in Eastern Europe (or Western Europe if they know enough about politics) who is boggled by money in politics or misleading ads.

There are countries in Europe that have had Gulags in the last 50 years, I doubt they are boggled by the idea of a for-profit prison system.

As a European who has lived in America and now in SEA, this "as a European" is used by people who generally don't understand the variety of different life experience of people in Europe.

<comment><USER4> I wonder if you're not going a git hard on the "strongly disagree". The main issue I think is that "as a European" tends to excludes eastern Europe in its generalization. As such, I agree that it isn't very correct. It would probably make more sense if it was "as a citizen of the more politically homogeneous Western Europe, in particular Portugal, Spain, France, Ireland, UK, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Italy, Iceland, Austria... and to some extend also but not so much for all topics and cases the other countries in Europe"... but that is a bit too terse.

I think it also tries to convey how different "a very large number of countries and millions of people" views X. It will always be a generalization.

So, if you consider "as a European" to be "Western Europe", it very often applies, overall. It is a generalization, after all. And, as far as generalizations go, I honestly think "as a European", or... maybe better "as a Western European", if you will, to be very useful way to express a very complex connection, and difference in opinion or... zeitgeist. For example, it helps illuminate the dichotomy in the reaction to private philanthropy in the US that should have never been necessary. For Americans, it is accepted that it is a heart warming act, while (for a European), it more often comes across as dystopian.

As a final note, I'm wondering if you might not want to see that argument I'm presenting. Because you point out how my case with ads and money in politics isn't that uncommon in western Europe. Let's be clear, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, or that Europe is problem free or perfect, or anything like that, but the problem and perception of it, is worlds apart. Attack ads come across as a joke that have no place in political discourse, yet, it is everywhere in the US.

But then again, maybe you are right. It is after all pretending to include the "shared voice" of people who do might very well not share that voice. It can be disingenuous. I wonder if making it more specific will still open up for smaller subsets that disagree. If you say "as a Norwegian", you are still implying agreement from others that will very much disagree.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> What I still don't understand is why European governments haven't made tit for tat measures against China in corporate law.

Why do we allow free market access to chinese companies when they don't? Are we crazy? Why not give the keys to our factories/companies while we are at it?

<comment><USER7> The World Trade Organization allows for asymmetrical relations like that for developing countries.

Same reason why we don't demand a level playing field between sheep and wolves...

China is a poor, third-world country.

<comment><USER6> So you put China and Burundi on the same category? Really?

<comment><USER7> "I" don't put them anywhere, these categories are pre-existent. The WTO puts Burundi in a different list, of least developed countries.

<comment><USER8> The point is that many countries are claiming that China is abusing its designation of "developing country" and want that designation revoked. China, of course, is fighting that tooth and nail.

The only reasons that China passes the sniff test is because they have the biggest population that skews averages and because they also have insane income inequality. Only CCP propagandists would try to insist that a nation with the money for nukes and aircraft carriers is still "developing" :^)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> Even if Kevin was to stay as TikTok CEO, he would have to leave his role as the COO of ByteDance. It's totally understandable that he would want to leave given the reduced scope (no more head of a global company etc.). What seems suspicious however is why he would leave prior to an acquisition. As a CEO, that won't reflect too good on his reputation... so there's gotta be a tradeoff somewhere. Wait & see!

<comment><USER10> If I had to read between the lines, his leaving is signalling that Bytedance is digging into their position selling the minimum number of assets (US + 4 eyes) and the negotiations are reaching the crucial stages.

Previously there was still hope of selling TikTok globally.

More importantly it seems that Kevin/TikTok has no influence at all in the negotiations - it is purely between Bytedance and the relevant companies. This is probably the real reason he's leaving - he's in no position to shape the deal and it isn't looking good for him right now.

<comment><USER11> his usefulness expired, and now HQ want to control the nego directly. Just like any foreigner used as a local hired gun.

<comment><USER12> This is something that has totallly escpaed the western world. This appointment was just a pr move, similar to hugo bara and xiaomi and many other ceremonial CEOs at chinese compnaies. it never ends well.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> If I were TikTok I would move my international operations to a European country that was friendly to me and then wait until the anti-China sentiment in the US settled and then try again.

Rather that than force-selling the US part at a bargain price.

Europe would love a social media giant that could match those of the US. And just behaved better than the US ones when it came to taxes and data privacy ...

<comment><USER14> The sentiment in Europe right now is fear over Chinese money purchasing European companies piecemeal.

European valuations are kept artificially low by, well, it seems just by being in Europe. With companies struggling from covid, the usual lack of European leadership on any sort of stimulus, and the US not in a position to bail the European economy out again a la 2008, there are a lot of buying opportunities.

Currently the sentiment is mainly confined to political and business circles, but I wouldn't be surprised if it overflows into the general public once jobs currently on wage support start disappearing next year.

<comment><USER6> > and the US not in a position to bail the European economy out again a la > 2008, there are a lot of buying opportunities.

This is new to me, do you have a source? To me the US was in big trouble at the time, no resources to bail out anyone really...

<comment><USER14> This is essentially the austerity that was pushed onto Southern Europe because the ECB didn't have any mandate to engage in monetary policy until 2012, when the ECB started to rely on more creative readings. By this time it was QE from the US Fed that was driving the recovery, but the ECB did eventually engage in similar practices, if only to bail out assets owned by the northern banks.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> I'm confused on why he's leaving. Is the political scope of the role too much for him and/or is this not the role he intended to occupy?

<comment><USER16> What's your annual rate for being caught in the middle of a geopolitical superpower dispute?

<comment><USER17> I am highjacking your comment to express my confusion about this dispute. Not that it exists, but on what grounds it exists. Has TikTok done something that is materially different and worse from what, for example, Facebook has? Or is it only that they do similar things, but they originate from China?

<comment><USER18> The stated issue is that TikTok may share American user data with China and that there's not any real way for the US to prevent this possibility. So it's seen as a national security issue that the Chinese govt could track Americans. TikTok has insisted that there's no way that user data could be shared with the Chinese govt but I think US regulation bodies and intelligence do not buy it.

<comment><USER19> Is the national security concern that high-profile Americans such as members of congress, high ranking US military or executive branch officials are exchanging classified state information across Tiktok?

Or is the national security concern that the Chinese government can force TikTok to give up their data to Chinese authorities?

So China has 1.4 billion people to data mine on using a minority-report-like data warehouse mega structure in the like of which the world has never seen before, and all of those people are in their own jurisdiction. Assuming that's the kind of infrastructure the Chinese government can build and is fully operational, why would they justify the time, cost, and energy required to fetch what meme someone's looking at from overseas and risk damaging their already shaky reputation with their biggest trading partner? Even if there's a conspiracy and they cared about what your phone number was or where you lived, what could they do with it? Yes clearly the most plausible theory is that they're kidnapping Americans from their homes in broad daylight. Or perhaps covid was synthesized in a lab so next year Americans will be getting biological super weapons mailed to them. Or maybe 5G is a mind control device that's hiding the truth from all of us, the truth that you _can_ parse html with regex.

Anyways, we have a presidency largely based on putting pressure on China with a proven history of reactionary measures would, make a reactionary anti-china measure for the sake of supporting a partisan policy right before the November election.

There are obviously a lot of shady things we are seeing surfacing from the Chinese government that warrant further investigation, and there are diligent people are on the ground right now trying to push through the secrecy of that government. But with Tiktok, it's a baseless conspiracy theory rooted in irrational fear that's being used as a political tool.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> I met him a few times when he was at Disney and was impressed by him. Wonder what he will do now.

(actually Disney as a company impresses me even though I don't like the product).

<comment><USER21> What product? Disney is practically a sovereign country.

<comment><USER22> Movies formulated for mass appeal and merchandising.

Theme parks that must remain open.

A back catalog of tens of thousands of movies made since 1924 exclusively available through your Disney+ membership.

Increasingly, all of American pop culture, super heroes, and sci-fi mythos.

It's a bland brand, but I'm not sure Netflix is any better with their willingness to fund shows only as long as the cost to viewer ratio is low.

I really want to disrupt these hulking media buffet companies.

<comment><USER23> Strong agree on Netflix - for streaming in the UK I use Sky Cinema and it's on another level.

<comment><USER24> It's been a long time since I've had a look at Sky; I was just about to comment on how good the offering is on NowTV's Sky Cinema Pass... until I realised that it only included movies.

For a similar price with Netflix you get movies + TV shows. Granted that the selection of movies on Sky Cinema do seem better, but if you're a fan of both then its still hard to beat Netflix's offering

<comment><USER23> You can also get Sky's boxsets etc via NowTV. And yep it's 2-3x the price in total, but my goodness is it worth it. Especially in lockdown, paying £15 for a month's high quality TV and film is great value.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER25> The only data that TikTok is stealing is the latest hiphop dance moves by teenagers! This big hoopla was manufactured to paint Chinese companies as some kind of monster. Completely absurd. I'm really surprised how a bunch of otherwise intelligent people in this forum can follow for the disinformation campaign waged by Trump to paint him as a "protector of American freedom".

<comment><USER26> The owners of these popular social apps directly control millions, billions of people by presenting them with the content they decide and taking _all_ the data about each individual, with stunning implications.

The only ridiculous thing is that this is happening unregulated.

<comment><USER27> Conversely, your entire statement could be said about Google or Facebook surely???

Thought-provoking for sure. I suppose we are all bystanders in these commercial battles and I am not sure we all win. Sorry times.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER28> Two days after they filed the lawsuit

[https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/24/tiktok-sues-the-u-s- govern...](https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/24/tiktok-sues-the-u-s-government- over-its-forthcoming-ban/?guccounter=1)

</comment><comment><USER29> To me this reads as tiktok definitely being acquired. And as they negotiate with either Microsoft or Oracle it is becoming clear to Mayer that he will have more oversight and a greater focus on profitability over growth which isn't what he signed up for.

<comment><USER30> What in the world is Oracle going to do with TikTok? For both of these companies it seems like such a strange acquisition.

<comment><USER31> a) It will be rewritten in Java and forced to run on Oracle Cloud.

b) Oracle Field Sales will be compensated by how many times they can mention TikTok to middle managers on the golf course.

c) Endless ads about how TikTok is powered by Oracle Cloud.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER32> I think that with court proceedings and media stunts TikTok can run out the clock to November 5th at which point the cat will forget about this ball of yarn and go off in search of some other laser pointer.

</comment><comment><USER33> I'm confused about why this is big news.

The executive order bans (to-be-defined) transactions with ByteDance and subsidiaries with the carve-out of "notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted before the date of this order."

Wasn't it going to be required by law for Kevin Mayer (as an American) to leave TikTok or become a lame-duck CEO? If he didn't leave, he couldn't accept, for example, new stock grants.

Working for TikTok and holding an American passport is a colossally dumb idea.

</comment><comment><USER34> I mean, to steer a company through power struggle between the US and China is very interesting and could be a big plus for future high profile jobs. Unless he doesn't have much a role at the table and feel hurt. I assume it is the case.

</comment><comment><USER35> really bad timing for him. wonder what's next. as i understand he was pretty high at disney and left when he was passed over for the ceo role

</comment><comment><USER36> So we're fighting wars by meddling with companies now of other countries?

<comment><USER37> Considering we've been retaliating tit for tat with China for awhile now, it's inevitable we'd start blocking their tech companies like they've done to Google, FB, etc. I see the list of blacklisted Chinese tech companies increasing in the near future.

</comment></comment><comment><USER38> If TikTok gets purchased, all its US employees are going to get a pay cut.</comment>


Due to Seattle's unrest, billion-dollar investment firm moving to Phoenix - <AUTHOR> https://ktar.com/story/3321032/due-to-seattles-unrest-billion-dolloar-investment-firm-moving-to-phoenix <comment><USER2> The headline of the article is a bit sensationalist. Mentioning the order of magnitude of the assets under management (about $1.5B) gives no indication of the head count, profitability, revenue, or local/state tax contribution for this company. For all we know, Smead Capital only employs a dozen people in the USA.

<comment><USER3> The fund literally only invests in stocks like Amex, Discovery, Home Depot, and Target.

It's by all accounts a very small asset management company that has a few big whale clients. Good luck attracting the same level of whales in Phoenix as you would in Seattle, when your potential client base is full of major hire-on grants at places like Microsoft and Amazon.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Just reading the text those quotes seems a bit broken up / strange.

It's not clear from so little text that they just suddenly decided to move to Phoenix in a matter of... weeks?

<comment><USER5> Sounds like they're just trying to make a political statement and do something they wanted to do already.

<comment><USER6> Phoenix

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> The fact this is being reported by KTAR is strange. They are a small, conservative radio station. Not even a news network picked this up. They will report just about anything you call in

</comment><comment><USER8> The are not a billion-dollar firm, they manage a billion. Massive, massive difference and they have like 15 employees. Terrible "reporting".

</comment><comment><USER3> Seattle waves goodbye and says nothing of value was lost.

</comment><comment><USER9> "He found that metro Phoenix offers a better quality of life." I guess if you like spending all day in air conditioning this is accurate?

<comment><USER10> To be fair, that's only 6 months of the year. The other 6 months it's comfortable outside.

I'd rather go outside when it's cold than hot, so Seattle suits me better, but that comes down to personal preference.

</comment></comment><comment><USER11> • Firms like this manage a large amount of capital but do so with relatively few employees. The actual loss to the Seattle economy is small.

• They certainly seem to want to threaten workers - unionize or otherwise show solidarity and we'll punish you economically.

• The only sensible thing for employees to do is organize the labor it sells much as corporations employ managers, incentive and process to organize the labor they purchase.

• If successful, labor will be eventually be in a position to punish firms and locales that undermine labor power.

If this comes to pass, it shouldn't be too difficult to raise Cole Smead's costs until the firm isn't viable. From a game theory perspective, this sort of tit for tat is the only sensible way to bring about a mutually beneficial equilibrium.

</comment><comment><USER12> Who cares. Firms now want so many tax concessions that cities probably lose more than they gain with these corporations.

So tired of this emphasis on the economy and job growth. The key is well- being, and a city that concentrates on well-being will get all the employment opportunities they want without a single concession. Of course, while employment opportunities last in the coming automation and robotic world.

<comment><USER13> Well-being apparently means different things to different people because that is one of the stated reasons for moving.

</comment></comment><comment><USER14> Well, those experimental communities always fail. Too disorder results in an beautiful experiment collapsing.

The real problem is that these experimental communities need to have some type of binding social customs to govern the group. The Native Americans existed for millienialiums existed by having an agreed-upon binding social customs that held their society without formal written law.

In this case, these groups do not have take time to really develop these social customs or beliefs and guess what their experiment blows up. And chaos and strife breaksout which results in people dead.

IN a society as complex as the US, the rule of law and strong faith in institutions leads to a stable democratic institutions. These people fail to grasp that reality and the investment firm decides go to Arizona.

In reality, Seattle is better managed city than the wild west of Phoenix. But again, we are seeing the devastating effects when leaders do not put in faith into the institutions that they created and then as a result, chaos results which is a huge virus spike.

Phoenix is not a place that I would put a business knowing that long-term effects of climate change. If I want to keep a business for longer than ten years, I would not put it that town. I would rather put into Seattle than Phoenix.</comment>


"Godless" apps, some found in Google Play, can root 90% of Android phones - <AUTHOR> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/06/godless-apps-some-found-in-google-play-root-90-of-android-phones/ <comment><AUTHOR> More details: [http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security- intelligence/g...](http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security- intelligence/godless-mobile-malware-uses-multiple-exploits-root-devices/)</comment>


Dijkstra on Dutch TV (2000) - <AUTHOR> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCCigccBzIU <comment><USER2> At 12:14 the original Dutch on-screen text says

>"We should not add bugs to a program out of nonchalance. We should do so systematically and with great care".

The translator translates this to

> "We should not introduce errors through sloppiness, but systematically keep > them out",

which I found unfortunate, since it completely loses the original meaning.

</comment><comment><USER3> No acknowledgement that the other side of the tradeoff might have some great merit in the software correctness argument, even when discussing accomplishments as great as putting a guy on the moon on a tight schedule. And throw in there something about pretending not to understand what "lines of code" means.

Dijkstra doesn't disappoint in this interview.

<comment><USER4> I don't think he meant to say it is unclear what 'line of code' stands for, but rather the correct observation that it may mean very different things depending on the programming language involved, and the problem being solved.

What is this "other side of the tradeoff" you speak of? Should there have been such a tight schedule in putting a man on the moon? I think you might have an argument about software development in general, where the standards do not need to be this high all the time, but in the case of the moon landing it's hard to argue for loose standards when human lives are at stake. It's rather disconcerting they admit they just got lucky, in terms of software correctness.

<comment><USER5> There is always a tradeoff, even for projects where lives are at stake. We do not have infinite time or resources. Nobody but you used the term "loose standards"; the argument is that all projects involve a tradeoff between speed and correctness, even when some demand more of the latter and less of the former.

<comment><USER6> That's the standard narrative and parroting it over and over again doesn't really make it true. Arguments over correctness almost always devolve into a shouting match because no one ever defines what they mean by it. For your standard consumer application a notion of correctness doesn't even exist so the argument is moot there. You have to narrow your domain a little bit to actually start talking about it. You have to get down to the level of protocols and interfaces and other mathematical beasts where correctness actually means something.

The standard example of correct software and in fact where most work on formal correctness tends to happen is in compiler design and distributed systems. So when you say that there is a tradeoff between speed and correctness that is simply not true. All those compilers you use are correct, for a very precise definition of correct, and fast and constantly improving.

<comment><USER7> _All those compilers you use are correct, for a very precise definition of correct_

Are they? How do we know? And if they are, why is GCC's list of major and critical bugs[1], for example, longer than a laundry list?

[1] [https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_severity=critic...](https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_severity=critical&bug_severity=major)

<comment><USER6>
        Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it.
        - Donald Knuth

Formal correctness and implementation correctness are still separate issues in compilers like gcc but that doesn't change the fact that there are correctness specifications for gcc. There are projects that try to bridge the gap: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompCert](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompCert).

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> I've read a few of Dijkstra's EWDs, and his letter to the UT Budget Council re. their decision to switch from Haskell to Java for freshman programming. He always came across as someone who wrote with a very high signal/noise ratio.

Turns out even his speech was like that as well! I was eagerly absorbing every word.

</comment><comment><USER9> The transcriptions of a lot of those EWDs are here:

[https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/transcrip...](https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/transcriptions.html)

</comment><comment><USER10> If anyone speaks dutch here, you should view the Video reports that Tweakers did some time ago about Dutch people in US. For ex. About Java founder Arthur van Hoff [http://goo.gl/qlEPYX](http://goo.gl/qlEPYX)

And many others (you can find the other ones in the right sidebar with : "Gerelateerde inhoud")

It's actually a very interesting video-series about designers at Apple or UX experts at Adobe for example. And more importantly, how they got there.

</comment><comment><USER11> Using a pen instead of a word processor may adapt our mind to "getting it right the first time". We might need word processors that limits editing?

<comment><USER12> I completely agree, but is "getting it rigt the first time" really THAT important?</comment></comment>


Categories of deep recommendation systems - <AUTHOR> https://jameskle.com/writes/rec-sys-part-2 <comment><USER2> The recommendation systems (i.e. Netflix) for movies and music are still just awful in terms of guessing my tastes.

I still find that human based recommendations for things like music and movies consistently beat the algorithm at predicting what I'll like vs what I won't like just about every time.

IMHO it will be many years before these recommendation engines consistently pick media I like to watch or listen to.

They are still far inferior to human based recommendations.

Guessing what someone will want to watch at any given moment is probably a harder problem than getting a car to drive autonomously.

EDIT (source): I work on a mostly human powered recommendation engine/expert system @ lazyday.tv. It does not use ML to make recommendations. It takes some creative approaches to solving the movie recommendation problem using an expert system and optimizing search results.

<comment><USER3> Is there any evidence that the recommendation systems are actually intent on putting something you would like to see in front of you instead of some other incentive?

My YouTube subscriptions are all engineering/programming/space/guns/machining/electronics. I even see the same commenters in many of them. There is clearly a set of people with these interests that could be used to cross-pollinate interesting content. Yet my recommendations are all pop culture and sports.

Spotify is the same way but i blame my kids for polluting their model of my interests,

I've given up on Netflix. I can't even find stuff i want to watch on there any more.

<comment><USER4> > _Is there any evidence that the recommendation systems are actually intent > on putting something you would like to see in front of you instead of some > other incentive?_

Something I've been wondering about recently is how infrastructure costs factor into this. Obviously videos get served from a local CDN node when possible, but I'm guessing sometimes the file you're requesting is uncommon enough that the local CDN node doesn't have it. Maybe this isn't the case with Netflix, but it's probably the case with youtube, just because they have that much more content. Adding more storage to the CDNs would cost money, and cache misses on the CDN also cost money, so does youtube have a financial incentive to bias their recommendations towards videos already cached near you?

<comment><USER5> the cost of cache misses, even at google scale, is still trivial compared to their revenue

<comment><USER3> The infrastructure costs might be low, but transit performance back to Google is terrible for many ISPs (looking at you CenturyLink), so there might be 'quality' costs to consider as well.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> There are recent works that question whether "deep" learning algorithms, and in particular neural networks, are really advancing the state of the art of recommender systems: [https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.06902.pdf](https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.06902.pdf) (Best Paper Award, RecSys 2019). It is strange that the blog post fails to mention this.

<comment><USER7> Yeah, this has been a well known problem in the field for a while now, and not just with DNN approaches [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recommender_system#Reproducibi...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recommender_system#Reproducibility_crisis)

These systems almost never work in production. The publications are usually very deceptive.

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> I recently found a particularly rare/esoteric song on Google Play Music, specifically because I wanted to hear more like it. The song was "Light" by Idyllic.

I clicked "Start radio" and the first song was "light", of course. Then all the next 10 songs were by Idyllic only, no other artists. After that half the songs were Idyllic, the other half were....songs from my "Thumbs Up" playlist (any song I had previously liked).

I repeated the process several times thinking there was a bug mixing in my thumbs-up playlist.

Eventually I realized I'm the first person to ever listen to this song on Google Play Music and it used only me as the first bayesian filter - so I just got my own music suggested back to me.

</comment><comment><USER9> IMO this article does not deliver on its title. I was expecting a list of systems that we should "pay attention to"\- that hold promise in the coming years or now.

Instead, this was an index of current literature from pretty much all deep learning methods that have been applied to recommender systems. It's more useful to a lay person than a researcher.

</comment><comment><USER10> Many film recommendation systems suffer from a strong gravitational pull towards mainstream choices with no clear association to the input ("people who enjoyed The Thin Red Line also enjoyed Pulp Fiction.."). But I wonder what better results deep learning could even accomplish given a limited feature space such as user like/dislikes.

A few years ago I made a recommender based on critics' inferences in reviews. For the right kind of film (indie or festival circuit stuff and the like) it yielded quite interesting results.

</comment><comment><USER11> The article's original title is much more readable than this post's title.

<comment><USER12> > The article's original title is much more readable than this post's title.

Probably too long to fit, op did a decent job of compressing imo.

The original is:

RECOMMENDATION SYSTEM SERIES PART 2: THE 10 CATEGORIES OF DEEP RECOMMENDATION SYSTEMS THAT ACADEMIC RESEARCHERS SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO

<comment><USER13> The "that" being left out makes it tough to parse

<comment><USER14> The "to" missing at the end totally breaks it for me, I read it as " _Categories of Deep Recommendation Systems: Researchers Should Pay Attention_ "

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> Read the title and thought it was going to be a Paper about how to use Attention based neural networks for deep recommendation systems...</comment>


Firefox: By the Numbers - <AUTHOR> http://sixrevisions.com/infographics/firefox-statistics/

<comment><USER2> What's with the trend of so-called "infographics" that are just numbers and text? Considering this is done about a browser and by a web front-end specialist would it have been too much to ask for it to be done with HTML+CSS?

At the very least it would have made it easier for them to fix their Wiki _D_ idia typo.</comment>


Ask HN: Would you pay for an online practice interview? - <AUTHOR>

I like coding, have been doing it for 10+ years now. Looking for some side income.<p>When switching jobs, it's always a good idea to refresh some basic stuff and be prepared for typical .NET/Ruby/JavaScript/etc questions. Would you pay for such service? <comment><USER2> And, would a company pay to conduct a bunch of fake interviews?

<comment><AUTHOR> Not sure what you mean

<comment><USER2> Companies, particularly those starting out, might pay to get practice giving interviews (or help refine what they are looking for and how they can best find it).

Maybe the two could be paired up?

Just throwing out ideas here... slap them if you want to.

<comment><AUTHOR> Actually, this might not be a bad idea. I know devs don't like speaking to HR because of the questions they ask and how they look at the resume (match buzzwords etc). It might make sense to train HRs to be a little bit more technical. Thank you!</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Phonegap 2.0 released - <AUTHOR> http://phonegap.com/2012/07/20/adobe-phonegap-2-0-released.md// <comment><USER2> Used Phonegap on 2 projects and I have to say, never again. If you want to have the job done right and you want a quality product, go native. We lost days(weeks even) of time chasing an obscure bug in the location tracking of Phonegap. Also, the end result wasn't very good to be honest. It lacked the fluidity and responsiveness you have with native apps.

sure, you can develop things 2 as fast but then you spend all the rest of the time just messing around to get that "native feel".

<comment><USER3> Not all apps use native controls. Not all apps should be built on PhoneGap.

At my company, we need to build apps rapidly. By rapid, I mean 1 week for a testable product. I have a app skeleton that implements backbone.js and some "native" css controls ready to go. I can easily turn around an app in that time.

Is it as fast as native? No. Do most people notice that? No. Does it prove the app concept we were trying to test? Yes.

So we basically use it as a prototyping platform and if the app has a lot of users, we'll go native. From my experience, it's much faster to prototype in html5 than it is in obj-c.

<comment><USER2> you're describing a totally different scenario, as a rapid prototyping tool I can totally see why you would choose Phonegap over native code. but as something to give to the end user? not so much.

Although with Interface Builder and some wiring you can quickly mock something up as well. But it probably would go faster in Phonegap to go from PSD to app.

I don't agree 100% with most people not noticing though. I do feel a smooth app adds to the overal experience.

I tested the first app they showed in the Phonegap gallery and it has that typical Phonegap feel to it: laggy response and glitchy transitions. It gives the app a sloppy feel. Maybe people won't notice, but it's not a fun app to use.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> It's a shame that phones still can't properly handle web views well. My company went with PhoneGap and tried implementing webviews but no matter what, couldn't develop an app that ran well enough on phones. The folly of PhoneGap isn't really PhoneGap's fault, but their premise. Phones are NOT ready for Html5 apps. Tried. Failed. Now rewriting the entire app natively.

<comment><USER5> can you give some insight as to what specific issue you were having? Was it HTML5 that was the real culprit? Or javascript performance? Did you try smaller javascript libraries, etc. etc.

<comment><USER6> I can't speak for the GP and I haven't used Phonegap but the problems I have encountered trying to use webviews in apps revolve around touch latency and animation. When a user touches an element on the screen they expect instant response and I haven't seen that in any app using web technology. Also, animation needs to be comparable to what you see natively. Even trying to scroll images without scrolling the whole view is a recipe for lag and choppiness. I don't want any part of that in my apps.

<comment><USER7> Google's solution for touch latency: <https://developers.google.com/mobile/articles/fast_buttons>

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> One interesting new feature is the "Cordova Webview". This will make building hybrid apps much more straight forward.

"Cordova WebView - This allows for the integration of PhoneGap, as a view fragment, into a bigger native application."

<comment><USER9> I imagine this will alleviate some of the speed concerns: You can make most of your app native and the finnicky content parts PhoneGap.

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> I gave this a shot and am already having a huge amount more trouble working with the command line interface than I did with the > v1.9 xcode template.

The way it's put together is not elegant at all - it's used as a command line tool, but they just drop you a random folder which has the executables and a few other folders that the executable references, so it can't be copied to /usr/local/bin, nor can it be symlinked. So creating a new app for me was pretty unnatural.

On top of that, building it apparently can only be done from the command line and not inside of xcode, and it uses outdated xcode tools. The command line build required me to have the /Developer directory, which I do not have as it was no longer installed with Xcode from version 4 and up.

Really unhappy with this initially for a number of reasons. Don't get me wrong, I love working with the command line, and I like how rubymotion uses the command line so much working with ios apps, but I'm disappointed in how awkward this initial release is. I might just continue working with 1.9.0 until the next release.

<comment><USER11> I just downloaded the newest release and installed the DMG inside the zipfile, then went to the folder i downloaded and inside the /lib/ios/bin directory and ran ./create --args

When i press "run" in xcode i get a simulator with the app. Looks pretty smooth.

In terms of building, they offer this online as well, right?

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> Awesome news! They're developing Phonegap at a ferocious pace and I applaud the team for their progress. It was only a few months ago that they were at 1.7 and today's release of 2.0 is simply awesome.

Congrats Phonegap team!

</comment><comment><USER13> Id tried phonegap in a project, completely disaster. Now in a new project for Android, we use the same concept as phonegap, a Javascript interface plus a WebView and JQuery Mobile with only the stuff that we need and we are having better results, although its not like a native app.

</comment><comment><USER14> I've seen at least one unreleased product that has achieved almost a Path-like experience (dead serious) in Mobile Webkit Safari on the iPad 1, 2 and 3. It's doable and not as hard as you think once you, but it takes embracing everything modern browsers offer you and not building with backwards compatibility in mind. It has yet to be packaged in PhoneGap for the AppStore, but from my understanding the javascript engine available in PhoneGap apps is more performatic.

</comment><comment><USER15> I would like some help with these:

\- Is there support for inapp payments? Built in or plugin based?

\- how does this compare with trigger.io and titanium?

\- does this version not need xcode to create apps like trigger.io?

<comment><USER16> \- <http://bit.ly/OFM5cK>

\- Titanium at least still uses native UI. I believe that neither trigger.io nor PhoneGap do, though PG has a plugin to let you use some

\- It requires XCode.

</comment></comment><comment><USER17> Congrats!

BTW I'm pretty sure Adobe took over PhoneGap to replace its AIR/Flash long- term debacle. Nice move.

</comment><comment><USER18> PhoneGap:Build requires registration with either Adobe ID or Github :|

</comment><comment><USER19> Phonegap is nothing more than a stopgap for people that can't afford iOS devs. I can think of no benefits for the end user. It's a sloppy solution. Better off just doing a mobile web app instead.

<comment><USER20> This is pure, unadulterated FUD. If your advice is to just do a mobile web app, what on earth is wrong with packaging it up into a phonegap app so that you can access a few extra APIs?

<comment><USER21> It's misleading.

Users have a higher expectation of quality from native apps than webapps.

<comment><USER22> Those expectations don't reflect reality. Look at the quora and linkedin apps. They are mostly web views and no one would even know if you didn't tell them. I will admit the performance characteristics of javascript are much more complex compared to objective-C, but the tradeoff is that you can share most of the code across platforms, and you can iterate much faster without app store approvals. On the other hand, if the mobile web was ready, phonegap would not exist at all. At the very least, it's more nuanced than one platform being superior than the other for any category of application, barring games.

<comment><USER20> In my experience, on an iPhone 4S HTML5 apps feel _exactly_ as fast and responsive as native apps, and phones are only going to get faster.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER23> Does it support Bluetooth yet?

</comment><comment><USER24> Congrats!</comment>


Coworking Spaces - <AUTHOR> http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2010/09/coworking-spaces.html <comment><USER2> He unfortunately forgot New Work City (<http://nwc.co>) which just expanded into a big beautiful space on Broadway in New York City and opened up yesterday. Having started work there, I can say it's a phenomenal bunch of mostly tech related people.

Tony Bacigalupo, who founded the space, is an amazing an integral part of the New York startup scene. He also wrote a book about coworking: <http://amzn.to/25y8UQ>

As for coding, there are a lot of people there who do it and there are areas set aside for breakout rooms, conference rooms, and places to make phone calls where you won't interrupt anyone else's flow.

I'm a part-time member which gets me 12 weekdays a month. Since I average at least a week of travel a month, that basically works out to 4 days a week while I'm in town.

If you're interested and in New York, or are just looking for a place to work with other people when you're in town, drop in. We're a very friendly bunch. :-)

Edit: Fred added New Work City in. Thanks! Stop on by when you get a chance.

<comment><USER3> i added it

big miss, i feel badly about that

<comment><USER4> I you want to add another one, New York Nighowls is a co-working club that goes from 10pm to 4am.

<http://nynightowls.com/>

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Interesting. My experience is that private offices are great for programming, and project-specific bullpens without people yammering on the telephone are OK, too.

What's it like to code in one of these coworking spaces? Can you concentrate for extended periods? Obviously, being surrounded by lots of other startups is psychologically useful. But what are the tradeoffs?

<comment><USER6> Coding is not my primary role in my job (although it is what I spend a good portion of my spare time doing), so maybe I'm strange.

My best "my god it is full of stars" moments have all been while sitting in noisy areas with headphones on. For some reason, all of the extra commotion going on around me really helps me concentrate.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> I'm a big fan of coworking spaces. As a single founder, it's difficult to bounce ideas off people if there's nobody physically in the same room (or square mile) as you. I try to visit the offices of a company ran by a couple friends from college once a month.

After a few days of sharing ideas, helping out on each other's problems, and talking about the future of our respective ventures I head back to my home office with renewed energy and focus.

Of course, YMMV.

</comment><comment><USER4> If anybody is interested in finding a coworking space nearby, here's a wiki that has a pretty comprehensive list of coworking spaces around the world:

<http://coworking.pbworks.com/Directory>

</comment><comment><USER7> Coworking spaces are great. It's also good to remember that if you don't live near one - or can't get to one for whatever reason - you can always start your own space in your home.

A relative of mine in Omaha, Nebraska has "Coworking Wednesdays" in his house every week, and they always draw a good group of people.

</comment><comment><USER8> I run just such a space in Brighton, UK: <http://theSkiff.org>.

About 60% of us are directly working in tech the rest are in all sorts of other diverse industries.

</comment><comment><USER9> What we all too often forget is that co-working can be extended far beyond the tech startup space.

<comment><USER10> I've been using a co-working space in Toronto called Camaraderie (<http://camaraderie.ca/>) - Just as you mentioned, the variety of people coming in is of a wide range. We have some tech startups renting desks/rooms, but also a woman who runs a Beer marketing company, life coaches, event organizers, and more.

Although I love talking code/tech, it's interesting to see the variety coming through.

<comment><USER9> I pop into Camaraderie frequently. I'm organizing Freelance camp with Rachel / Wayne.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> I've been thinking about what makes a good coworking space. After 3.5 years in the best coworking space ever betahouse (imho), I've moved to Columbus, Ohio and I'm checking out the spaces here. I haven't found one that is as tech- heavy as betahouse, which is something I highly enjoy.

I feel one mistake that is easy to make with coworking is to make the space 'too nice' with too much privacy. If everyone's got an office with a door, something is wrong. Remove the door at least, and think about bashing down a few walls. Part of the sheer joy of coworking is being right there with people. When you step away for anything more than a quick phone call, or a business meeting in the conference room, then you're not coworking efficiently.

Sure, coworking can be a distraction, but having access to brilliant and skilled people around you to bounce ideas off, look at your code, or make your day better is priceless and far outweighs time lost due to distraction.

The reason that many of us gravitate toward coworking to begin with is that we're lonely. Working from home, alone, often not leaving the house for the entire day, isn't good for you. We might have coworkers, but they are only as close as skype. With coworking, you can establish deep bonds that go beyond your current job/gig.

<comment><USER12> I'm in Columbus, too. Would you mind adding some contact info to your profile?

</comment></comment><comment><USER13> For less formal coworking, become a "regular" at a cafe on a particular day of the week, and invite everyone to join you. I hang out at Sugarlump in SF every Wednesday.

</comment><comment><USER14> Some coworking spaces even have private offices. Wait, what's the point of a private office at a coworking space? Well, I love it...you can be social when you want (leave your door open, or hang out in the common areas), and take important calls when you need too. Best of Both worlds. I'm in Portland, OR at NedSpace

</comment><comment><USER15> Coworking spaces are great, but good coworking spaces are hard to find. I toured and worked from every coworking space I could find in Portland before settling at the one I presently work out of. I'm happy with it, but not thrilled; I've talked to other Portlanders about doing something better.

Point being: do your research. Many coworking spaces do "day passes", or if you know someone who works from or runs a space, ask if you can work there for a day for free. Everyone has different sensitivities to noise levels, the ergonomics of the work furniture provided, and so forth. Not every space is going to work for everyone.

It is a big cost saver, though. Even in a cheap city like Portland, getting decent office space and everything that has to go with it would be a helluva lot more than I pay to work from a coworking space.

<comment><USER16> What made you settle on your current space? It may be hard to generalize as a lot has to do with personal preference, but what do you feel coworking spaces in Portland are missing?

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> Reading the article gave me an office-sharing idea that I think would be quite helpful for small companies. Instead of just providing office space, the hosting company would also provide HR, legal services, and other tangential work for the resident companies. This would allow small companies to benefit from large-company-like resources while remaining focused on the core business.

</comment><comment><USER17> I worked for a while at a Coworking space. It was great. I felt like I got a lot accomplished, but then both of the coworking spaces here in Utah shut down. Now I'm a member of a Hackerspace and it's a lot more fun, but I don't get as much done on my business.

</comment><comment><USER18> Atlanta's got several great spaces that I've personally seen. We have 4 people working out of Ignition Alley daily, and have used both 151 Locust and Strongbox West as well.

If you're in Atlanta please stop by and check one out!

We have "co-workings wins" all the time.

</comment><comment><USER19> Are there businesses who have streamlined all of the operations, billing, furnishing, marketing, and setup of the co-working space for space owners, in exchange for a percentage of the co-working rents?

<comment><USER20> I'd imagine anyone who wanted to start a business doing this would rent the building and then sublet to the co-workers.

Make a lot more money that way!

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> For the Silicon Valley crowd with a Surf hankering I highly recommend NextSpace: <http://nextspace.us>

It's in Santa Cruz, but that's a good thing..

</comment><comment><USER22> what a great way to build a 21st century business, an updated map would be useful.

[http://www.workalicious.org/2009/08/interactive-google- map-o...](http://www.workalicious.org/2009/08/interactive-google-map-of- coworking.html)

</comment><comment><USER23> Princeton, New Jersey -- anyone want to start a coworking space here? ;)</comment>


ARM to be acquired by Softbank - <AUTHOR> https://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2016/07/arm-to-be-acquired-by-softbank/ <comment><USER2> This story has been well covered by other submissions[0] - does this particular report add anything new?

[0] [https://hn.algolia.com/?query=ARM%20Softbank&sort=byDate&dat...](https://hn.algolia.com/?query=ARM%20Softbank&sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=story&storyText=false&prefix&page=0)</comment>


IBM demos 100 GHz chip - <AUTHOR> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/05/ibm_graphene_transistor/

<comment><USER2> transistor != chip

<comment><USER3> And transistor != logic family.

I want to know what the fan-in and fan-out of the ensuing logic family will be (that's what killed Josaphen (sp.) junctions as the next cold thing).

But they did fabricate it on a silicon wafer, which is an advance. Not strictly related to Moore's Law (which talks about the increase in the number of devices you can put on a piece of silicon), but if we could exit the CMOS speed trap we're currently in that would be very nice.

<comment><USER4> _Josaphen (sp.) junctions_

I think you mean Josephson junction:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephson_effect>

<comment><USER3> Yes. You can make _very_ fast parts with it, and for a long while the hype was that it was the future for high speed computers, but that never came to pass. I read in _Science_ that the problem was insufficient fan-in/fan-out, it just wasn't practical to design computers based on Josephson junctions, and on top of all the practical problems (keeping one cold, issues of going from normal temperatures to cold and back, fabrication) that was that.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> demo != debut

<comment><AUTHOR> Cheers, I misread that.

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those!</comment>


Killing unlimited data plans brings $billions to carriers - <AUTHOR> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57428419-1/killing-unlimited-data-plans-has-helped-make-u.s-carriers-billions/

<comment><USER2> Scarcity is always a good recipe for profit. Too bad there are so few competitors.</comment>


Will Google Ventures Disrupt Venture Capital? - <AUTHOR> http://onstartups.com/tabid/3339/bid/56196/Will-Google-Ventures-Disrupt-Venture-Capital.aspx

<comment><USER2> It's all a really great list of benefits you'll get going with Google Ventures if you're lucky enough to get their interest but I don't think it's enough to actually _disrupt_ the VC industry, the benefits aren't really gamechangers:

\- they can introduce you to other Googlers, this can be hard to achieve by yourself but it's definitely not impossible, if you're working in a cool space where Google has some platform or aspirations you will inevitably cross paths with someone who can give you the same introductions

\- they can send you the rejects that applied for jobs which is for sure going to include some amazing people, but they applied for bigcorp pay, benefits, security, hours, stability and processes .... not startups

\- they can help you with their expertise, now this is the potentially really interesting one _if_ you're in the tiny slice of startups that needs to scale the crap out of what they're doing, but their more widely applicable UI expertise is soulless, spartan and even ugly in spite of whole continents converting/reacting well to it

\- they have mindshare outside of SV, which is of dubious value really ... I mean they _own_ search and they _own_ online advertising, but they still have to advertise like crazy to get Chrome users so I wouldn't imagine they can just flick a switch and give you massive marketshare overnight

\- smart people work there and can give smart advice/insight, which is a big plus of course but smart people are everywhere, you just have to look for them

\- work at the Googleplex, probably would be awesome but it's not exactly going to make or break your startup

<comment><USER3> "but their more widely applicable UI expertise is soulless, spartan and even ugly in spite of whole continents converting/reacting well to it"

They are pulling UX/UI from not just Google proper but also from their other properties such as YouTube.

<comment><USER4> YouTube? Dear god help us

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Problems I see that Google Ventures faces if they truly want to disrupt Venture Capital:

They've _got to stop asking founders to opt out of an NDA before founders get buzzed in to Google Venture's office. Otherwise, they are going to have a hard time gaining an entrepreneur's trust. I'm sure it's a "It's not that big of a deal" issue from Google's perspective, because everybody has to opt in/out of an NDA on Google's campus, and it's the Google "normal". But, founders pitching dozens of VC's are going to notice the dramatic difference in signing in to a Google Ventures meeting and stopping by any of the hundreds of VC offices on Sand Hill Road.

Google really needs to relax their "All your IP are belong to us" policy for their engineers, if they are truly going to promote startup culture and have founders want to pitch Google Ventures first when it comes to funding their ideas. There is precious little boot strapping while working at Google. The engineers that I know at Google that are boot strapping pretty much have to be in stealth mode otherwise they run the risk of tripping over Google's IP issues. If they are working on a startup while working at Google, they are _very, __very quiet about it.

That creates a deafening silence silence within 5 miles around Google campus when it comes to Googler startups. Hackers & Founders has been meeting 3 miles away from the Googleplex for years, and I can count on one hand the number of Googlers that show up. How many Googler's hang out at the Hacker Dojo? How many ex-Googler companies are at 500 Startups accelerator, which is a couple of miles away from campus? I hear SunFire is full of them. But, you don't see those people hanging out at 106 miles too much.

Unless they work at Google, hackers in the Valley are getting creeped out by how pervasive Google is, and how much data Google has on them. That very much works against Google Ventures when it comes to founder mind share.

I'm sure to startups based in other parts of the country, Google is quite sexy, and having access to advice from engineers who've worked at Google is quite exciting.

As a VC in the Valley, you want to have a good enough reputation, network and deal flow that you employ people to screen meetings and pitches away to maximize a partner's time. If any other VC in the Valley started offering me $10k per referral that I made to them, I'd run away screaming.

</comment><comment><USER6> I may be in the minority, but the idea of talking to Google Ventures makes me nervous. As a tiny startup that is pre-launch, the last thing I want is Google deciding they want to go into my business. It is kind of like Microsoft in the 90s.

I'm not saying it is a well founded fear, but it is enough to keep me from talking to them.

</comment><comment><USER7> I think this will end up being Google's acquisition hunt fund in the long run. Get in on the ground floor of promising startups in areas Google wants to expand into and see how things shake out. If things go well, you have leverage to get a Google buyout. If the tech takes a different tack from what Google wants they can exert influence to push it in a different direction or help shop them to other companies to recoup investment and grab top talent to come work at Google. Sounds like a decent long term acquisition identification strategy to me.

</comment><comment><USER8> Do people who applied to bigco Google want their resume passed on to GV-backed startups?

Do those startups want people who applied for a Google job but (presumably) got passed over?

Hard to see how this candidate-sharing provides a big GV benefit.

<comment><USER7> Unless Google quietly uses it as a pipeline to develop talent. If a person fails to pass the Google test but has potential, a GV startup could be a low risk way for Google to evaluate and develop talent. Once they consume the startup or it sells, developed talent gets pulled into Google proper.

Kinda like a development league for software developers.

<comment><USER9> I'm not sure I'd want to work in a minor league company until google is satisfied about my progress. That seems demeaning to potential developers.

<comment><USER10> My bigger worry with that mentality is it seems slightly demeaning to the startups. "Here's a developer that wasn't good enough for us, maybe he's good enough for you though". Given that Google is investing in the companies, that should _not_ be the attitude they have towards them.</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Social Cookbook: an open source Open Graph app - <AUTHOR> http://bret.appspot.com/entry/social-cookbook-an-open-source-open-graph-app

<comment><USER2> why my page if make graph mean false! look very poor page by graph <https://graph.facebook.com/108272322767> or <https://graph.facebook.com/amhnewssyndicate> than i look no profile pic just blank <https://graph.facebook.com/amhnewssyndicate/picture> when i click just looking this! [https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/static- ak/rsrc.php/v1/y...](https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/static- ak/rsrc.php/v1/yo/r/UlIqmHJn-SK.gif)

any comment or solution ohmy god facebook?

</comment><comment><USER3> In the list of permissions requested publish_actions does not show up. Is this because it is not live yet for the general public?

<comment><AUTHOR> Yah, this will turn into the preview of what it will look like in your timeline once Open Graph officially launches.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> This is awesome Bret. I'm on the Platform Marketing team and being able to dogfood Open Graph like this is really helpful.

</comment><comment><USER5> This is great! Have you seen any open graph apps for online menus with pictures/ordering options that you really like?

</comment><comment><USER6> a CTO I can respect - one who writes code =)</comment>


Ask HN: Does Reddit neglect their website to drive native downloads? - <AUTHOR> Reddit is one of the biggest websites and with their simplistic content architecture and minimalistic UI, I cannot see why it is so slow.
To name a few; sluggish scrolling, freezing when going back/forward in history, random blank screens, subpar zoom-support, comments randomly not loading..
This is on a Macbook Pro with dedicated GPU running latest Firefox.
Not trying to shame someone here, I know web is complicated. But for a large company like Reddit, there should be resources to make their website smooth as butter. <comment><USER2> What do you qualify as "bad"?

<comment><AUTHOR> To name a few; sluggish scrolling, freezing when going back/forward in history, random blank screens, subpar zoom-support, comments randomly not loading..

This is on a Macbook Pro with dedicated GPU running latest Firefox.

Not trying to shame someone here, I know web is complicated. But for a large company like Reddit, there should be resources to make their website smooth as butter with their minimialistic UI and content architecture.</comment></comment>