Swedish speakers of HN: Please check if testimony on Assange was manipulated - <AUTHOR> Nils Melzer, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture and supporter of Assange, claims, based on transcripts of emails between Swedish policemen and his own fluency in Swedish, that the senior police officer told the policewoman to "rewrite" the purported victim's testimony: he accuses the Swedish police of "proactive manipulation of evidence"[0][1].
But then a HN reader, based on a screenshot of the transcripts provided in [1], comes to the conclusion that Melzer is confused about the emails[2]. However, in the tree belonging to that HN comment, another commenter posted the link to the entire freedom of information document provided by the police[3].
Could those of you who understand Swedish take a look at that document (I think one would want to start at around page 9 of 16) and clarify the emails and the situation?
[0] https://spcommreports.ohchr.org/TMResultsBase/DownLoadPublicCommunicationFile?gId=24838
[1] https://www.republik.ch/2020/01/31/nils-melzer-about-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange
[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22203599
[3] https://data.ddosecrets.com/file/Assange/Assange-Sthlm-polismyndighet.pdf <comment><USER2> > 8/23/2010 8:27

> nei.-iäo tronoäl-ait-iäo oioit ratt nu och att dokumentet kommer fram ti11 > dig sofi ' däi-ska'. ' ski cka ääinä-en bekräftelse

"I hope I did right now and the document reached you. Please confirm"

> 8/24/2010 9:33

> Gör enligt följande. rlipp in detta i ett för[ör och signela förhöret. Det > kommer sä kons-ti gt ut om iag signerar. Jag bi fogar det 9am1a förhöret.

"Do the following: add this in a interrogation and sign it. It'll look weird if I sign it. I'm attaching the old interrogation"

> 8/24/2010 1:38

> Hei, iaä'lr kanske tröo men iao förstår inte riktiqt hur du menar

"Maybe I'm a bit slow, but I don't really understand what you mean"

> 8/24/2010 1:44

> Gör ett nytt förhbr.'Klipp in texten i det och adressera fÖrhöret till > ärendet. si gnera också förhöret.

"Do a new interrogation and cut in the text in that, and address the interrogation to the matter/subject. Also sign that interrogation."

> 8/24/2010 4:35

> visst. men då finns dät två förhör. Men det är endast ett forme'llt förhör > som trai tiåttits. av mio i alla fa'l l. vart tar då det andra förhöret > vägen? om det ska oå rätt'till aitar iao att iao måste oöra ändrinoarna i > oriqinälförhöret o sionära det. Med risk f6r-att fiaftstå som-krånqlio vill > iaq intä ha ett osiqnerat dokument med mitt namn cirkulerande i > dirtvärymdän. särskilt inte nu när ärendet har utvecklats som det gjort.

"Sure, but then there is two interrogations, but there is only one that have been formally done, at least by me. Where is the second interrogation going then?

If this is gonna be rightly done, I guess you'll have to edit the original interrogation/transcript and sign it.

With the risk of sounding annoying, I don't want to have a unsigned document in my name, circulating in "dirtvärymdän" (CapableWeb: not sure what that is...), especially not when the matter developed like it did."

\----

Think that's it, in terms of editing any interrogations/transcripts. Let me know if there is any specific parts you want translated.

Edit: reversed the order, so first email is in the top and last one in the bottom

<comment><USER3> > dirtvärymdän" (CapableWeb: not sure what that is...),

The text says "durtvårymden", and the latter part rymden, in context, is likely best translated to "ether". Ie, they don't want their name to be circulating in the ... ether. I would guess Durtvå is either a misspelling or a specific network.

Update: Did a google (should have done that earlier) and got back an answer: Durtvå is the "Datoriserad utredningsrutin med tvångsmedelshantering" system. Translated to english I would call it the computerized investigation and police action system.

<comment><USER4> ether = aether = "a medium that was once supposed to fill all space and to support the propagation of electromagnetic waves". This definitely suggests that what their trying to communicate here is that they don't want to see their names circulating on mediums like the Internet or other oldschool broadcasting mediums like newspapers, radio and television.

<comment><USER2> In Swedish, "rymden" kan also refer to just the "space" or "attention" really. It doesn't imply any public space really, just any space.

<comment><USER5> One way to look at the use of "space" there is that an English speaker would say "room", as in "chat room".

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Swede here.

I think 1, 2 and 3 are irrelevant. No advanced OCR needed.

Link number 4 seems to contain everything in cleartext (well, PDF, but the text is text, not bitmaps).

While I can read this I can't tell if this is evidence of a conspiracy, or if it's just the case of a more senior police officer helping a junior officer to do things by the book. (I do see some hints of this.) I think we'd need legal professionals to have a look at this.

</comment><comment><USER7> _freedom of information document provided by the police_

Just for correct context: wasn't the whole thing leaked before the police agreed to share anything? That's how we knew what a slap-up job the character assassination was so quickly. I recall reading translations of the interview very early on.

<comment><AUTHOR> The document I posted the link to here says at the top (Google Translate): "Request for getting to take part of the public record The decision of the police authority Polismyrdigheten Approves partly". That is why I said it is "freedom of information document provided by the police", although I may be wrong on the "freedom of information" part.

If you have links to other documents, it would probably be good to post them for cross-checking.

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> Just wanted to say good job on the translation given the level of errors in the OCR...

<comment><USER2> Translation was done from the PDF document ([https://data.ddosecrets.com/file/Assange/Assange-Sthlm- polis...](https://data.ddosecrets.com/file/Assange/Assange-Sthlm- polismyndighet.pdf)), where there is no errors visible. It's only the copy- pasted text (that I pasted in the HN comment to give some context) that has the errors.

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> A second opionion:

* 8/23/2010 8:27

Hej, jag hoppas att jag gjort rätt nu och att dokumentet kommer fram ti11 dig som det ska. Skicka gärna en bekräftelse.

Vad beträffar den muntliga föredragningen för åklagaren har jag ingen mer information än att den gjordes per telefon av Linda Wassgren någon gång under förhörets gång. Vad som föredrogs är för mig obekant då Wassqren inte ville kommunicera med mig. Någon möjlighet att rådgöra brottsrubricering med åklagaren gavs inte utan jag fick veta att det skulle rubriceras som våldtäkt enligt åklagarens direktiv.

Hälsningar Irmeli Krans

Hi, I hope that I've done it correctly now and that the document will reach you properly. Please send a confirmation.

As far as the verbal presentation for the prosecutor goes I don't have any more information other than it was done on phone by Linda Wassgren sometime during the interview. What was presented is unknown to me since Wassgren didn't want to communicate with me. Any possibility to advice on the charges with the prosecutor was not given, instead I was informed that the charge would be rape according to the prosecutor's directions.

Greetings Irmeli Krans

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* 8/24/2010 9:33

God morgon Irmeli!

Gör enligt följande. Klipp in detta i ett förhör och signera förhöret. Det kommer se konstigt ut om jag signerar. Med vänliga hälsningar Mats Gehlin

Good morning Irmeli! Do as follows. Add this to an interview and sign the interview. It will look weird if I sign. Best regards Mats Gehlin

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* 8/24/2010 1:38 Hej, jag är kanske trög men jag förstår inte riktigt hur du menar. Anders Ringkvist försöker hjälpa mig o vi har ringt upp till er utan att lyckats lösa problemet. Irmeli Krans

Hi, perhaps I'm slow but I don't quite get how you mean. Anders Ringkvist tries to help me and we have called you without being able to solve the problem. Irmeli Krans

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* 8/24/2010 1:44 Gör ett nytt förhör. Klipp in texten i det och adressera förhöret till ärendet. Signera också förhöret.

Med vänliga hälsningar Mats Gehlin

Create a new interview. Paste in the text in it and assign the interview to the matter. Also sign the interview.

Best regards Mats Gehlin

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* 8/24/2010 4:35

Visst, men då finns det två förhör. Men det är endast ett formellt förhör som har hållits, av mig i alla fall. Vart tar då det andra förhöret vägen? Om det ska gå rätt till antar jag att jag måste göra ändringarna i originalförhöret o signera det. Med risk för att framstå som krånglig vill iag inte ha ett osignerat dokument med mitt namn cirkulerande i durtvårymden. Särskilt inte nu när ärendet har utvecklats som det gjort.

/ Irmeli Krans

Sure, but then there will be two interviews. But there is only one formal interview that has been held, by me at least. So where does the second interview go? If this is to be done properly I suppose that I need to make changes to the original interview and sign it. With risk of being difficult I don't want an unsigned document with my name floating in durtvå-space. Especially now when this matter has developed the way it has.

/ Irmeli Krans

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* 8/26/2010 12:30

Ja men jag skriver ett PM om det.

Med vänliga hälsningar Mats Gehlin

Yes but I'll write a memo about it.

Best regards Mats Gehlin

DurTvå seems to be a "computerized support system" where interviews and other things relating to investigations are stored. I think they are discussing how the entry for the interview should be updated, not altering the interview itself but it's difficult to say with this little context.

Edit: Corrected "Add this to an interrogation" -> "Add this to an interview" and "Paste in text" -> "Paste in the text"

<comment><USER10> Agree this is the part of the Freedom of Information Request that is relevant to this, and that this is a sensible translation.

My interpretation of this is that Irmeli Krans is asking Mats Gehlin how to formally log additional information (in the form of some kind of verbal communication with the prosecutor) and ensure that this information is associated with the case file.

The back and forth, again as far as I understand the implicit context and the terminology used, concerns how to do this technically. Gehlin suggests it be logged as a separate, additional interview. Krans is worried that will look weird, since there was only one actual interview undertaken by Krans. Krans then suggests that the technically correct way of doing this would be to change the original interview and sign that.

I read "change" here as implying "append the new information in that document". There is no obvious suggestion of editing the existing text of the original interview.

</comment></comment><comment><USER11> Something is rotten in the state of D̶e̶n̶m̶a̶r̶k̶ Sweden

</comment><comment><USER12> [flagged] already? Wow HN has some torture fans...

<comment><USER13> Please don't post dross comments like this. It's plain that HN is divided about Assange, as it is divided on every other divisive topic. That's a trivial consequence of the population sample being large enough.

</comment></comment><comment><USER14> "You'll have to _edit_ the original interrogation/transcript and sign it"

 _IF this leaks are correct and true and not a fake leak_ , it sounds totally like two people conspirating to manipulate evidence against a third accusate of a crime, without his knowledge, and for unknown purposes.

We are talking of: correcting a typo? removing some parts?, adding other parts? adding a phrase that says something like "yes, I raped this women and enjoyed each second of it"?. Is horrible.

If proven true, this would be a serious issue that distroys the right to defence. Manipulating evidence is typified as a crime in most countries. They had a lot of things to explain.

<comment><AUTHOR> On the contrary, I think this is more damning for Melzer: it seems inconclusive as proof for the accusations of "proactive manipulation of evidence", when he should really have had something more considering all the fuss he is raising.

Mind you, it might turn out the police _did_ do malicious manipulation of evidence; but right now it seems more like Melzer is just trying to get publicity or something.</comment></comment>


John Siracusa's OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion Review - <AUTHOR> http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/07/os-x-10-8/ <comment><USER4> TL;DR

"In some ways, Mountain Lion is a refinement, enhancement, and yes, a _major bug-fix for Lion_. But the changes and additions are significant enough that they will inevitably come with their own set of bugs. Let's not forget Snow Leopard, which promised no new features but still brought plenty of bugs in its 10.6.0 release."

I hope they fixed memory management - Lion is too swap happy and slow on a decent 3Gb RAM Core 2 MBP. Windows comparatively flies on the same machine but of course suspend resume is flaky and other Win-Mac integration annoyances mean it's not a win-win.

<comment><USER5> 3GB, my word, son...crucial.com is your friend!

<comment><USER4> The machine supports a maximum of 4GB, and believe me it only gets marginally better with the added 1GB.

I guess Crucial also sells SSDs and Apple sells new MBPs with 16GB RAM :) - but at this juncture I hate to spend money on anything when the other supposedly more bloated OS named Win 7 works just great with 3GB - <USER2> seriously ought to be more than enough for browsing, email and occassional Word/PPT stuff.

As for the swappiness - it seems to be at least somewhat better than Lion - hasn't used up swap after 20 minutes of doing normal stuff. But the Apple ID/Password annoyance is still there - I still had to enter Apple ID / password several times during and after the installation! The last time hopefully was for iTunes. Why can't they use one single sign on?

<comment><USER6> Agreed. I finally bit the bullet and upgraded my 4GB MBP to 16GB of memory. Officially unsupported, but it works like a charm.

<comment><USER7> May I ask what MBP you have?

<comment><USER8> Any 2011 15" MBP or newer will take 16gb of RAM, unofficially. You can check OWC for a full compatibility guide.

<comment><USER9> May I ask which brand you bought and for how much?

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> I've suggested this before (and not done much about it), but that is not going to stop me suggesting it again.

How about a crowd-sourced 'Siracusa style' review of Ubuntu 12.04? Or Debian Wheezy, or Fedora (large integer, preferably 18 because that is the version that RHEL 7 will be based on)? Or the safe and conservative CentOS/SciLi/PUIAS version 6.3, now being targeted by Oracle. Or _your_ favourite GNU/Linux, or BSD?

So many of the free software reviews are shallow.

I think the Penguins have done enough work to merit something with _depth_

<comment><USER11> > How about a crowd-sourced 'Siracusa style' review

I don't think a crowd-sourced review could ever be that, as it most likely won't be a cohesive work and will have a hard time finding talented writers (which I hold Siracusa to be). And will probably fail to balance the emphasis (at all) between features of differing importance and levels of interest. Furthermore, Siracusa's reviews are also the result of more than a decade of writing these things.

Don't aim to write "Siracusa-style" reviews, aim to write in-depth reviews which are not complete dreck. That will probably work better. Or work at all, for that matter.

<comment><USER12> Maybe there could be a kickstarter to just pay Siracusa to write 26,000 words about ubuntu?

<comment><USER10> That is touching my open source nerve, the penguins ought to be able to assemble something like this themselves.

<comment><USER13> This is hilarious. Mythical man ymonth applied to writing. Let's crowd source some more Tolstoy novels while we're at it.

<comment><USER10> A review of a computer system is _hardly_ a major work of art. Brooks' n(n+1)/2 won't kick in until we exceed five or ten people I think.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> This is almost the best part of _every_ OS X release.

<comment><USER15> I have to agree - I love all the technical details in these articles so much that I used to read them in detail long before I switched to the Mac... It was probably the biggest thing that convinced me to change (that, and I wanted a laptop that didn't look and feel like cheap plasticy rubbish, which apart from Apple products were few and far between then).

<comment><USER16> Has anyone here tried any of the macbook air clones?

<http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/models/aspiresseries>

<comment><USER5> This isn't really the right place for that question, but all of those have bad resolution screens, as do all of the linux-able ultrabooks. I'm not saying that they should be Retina, but 768 vertical px is unacceptably regressive.

<comment><USER17> The Asus zenbook prime 11" and 13" are shipping with full hd ips screens.

<comment><USER5> That's nice to see, thanks, but at a 50% premium over an MBA (including Windows tax).

<comment><USER17> I'm not sure which model you looked at, but I believe the 13"/4g/128gb is priced at $1100 msrp vs. similarly configured air at $1200. Microcenter had it for $1000 a few weeks ago.

<comment><USER5> I think I was probably looking at list price.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> Just don't put it on your development workstation yet; XCode 4.4 is blocking the install of Command Line Tools for some developers. This means Homebrew doesn't work, VIM doesn't work (no /usr/include for pyconfig.h), and things are generally horked unless you want to play end-user in the app store.

Welcome to release day, Apple style. :)

<comment><USER19> Yup, getting 403 on [http://adcdownload.apple.com/Developer_Tools/xcode_4.4_21362...](http://adcdownload.apple.com/Developer_Tools/xcode_4.4_21362/xcode44cltools_10_86938106a.dmg). This is really disappointing!!! Why is it taking Apple so long to fix?

<comment><USER18> Looking at my inbox? Because they are too busy declaring that they can't reproduce it.

<comment><USER19> It WFM now. Hope you get it working soon as well!

<comment><USER18> Finally sorted itself out this evening. I just went back to Lion for the day and waiting for the #xcode rage to die down on twitter. :)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> TL;DR full screen with multiple monitors is still broken [http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/07/os-x-10-8/18/#full- scre...](http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/07/os-x-10-8/18/#full-screen- multiple-monitors)

<comment><USER21> How is this even possible ?

Do I even understand this correctly ? If you have multiple monitors, and an application goes full screen, the other two monitors go grey ?

I am still on SL on my mac pro, so I have yet to see this ... what the fuck do people working at apple (with multiple screens) do ?

<comment><USER22> If you go full screen, the app in full screen mode gets to use all your monitors. It gains control over every last pixel available to you. The other monitors are not unavailable, they are greyed out because the app you are using doesn't take advantage of them. It could if it wanted to.

That's the decision Apple took. It makes sense† but it's also utterly stupid. For some reason they stick to it. I don't think it's a big deal. Fullscreen apps suck anyway and there is no reason whatsoever to use them on a big screen, much less when you have more than one screen available to you. They might make sense on the 11" Air but certainly on no other computer or screen Apple sells.

Just use apps like you always did (before Apple introduced their stupid fullscreen mode) and they will work fine. Like before, like nothing changed. I have the sneaking suspicion that only maximize-crazy Windows converts run into this problem. On the Mac you don't maximize. Apple only implemented fullscreen mode the really stupid way to make that abundantly clear to everyone.

—

† More than Apple just disabling other monitors, anyway.

<comment><USER21> How does DVD Player going full screen "not make sense" ? Don't you want movies full screen ?

And if you have other monitors, you want them to be useless while, say, Quicktime is full-screened ?

I have triple 30s on one side of the room, and a 60" on the other side of the room. With snow leopard (and presumably, any other OS) I can watch a DVD or other video output full-screen while other output continues to display on the three other screens.

Also, what about full-screening a guest OS in vmware on one monitor, while you do other productive work in your other physical monitors ? That must be a _very common_ use case, right ? As in, all day every day for most vmware users ?

I'm not going to waste time talking about the "maximize" issue - even if I conceded every point of the maximize issue, there's still a problem with an inability to go full screen in one physical screen while working in another...

<comment><USER22> Why so angry? I totally agree with you. In all cases where Apple ported an already existing fullscreen mode to their new solution they fall flat on their face. It's an awful experience if you have more than one screen. So that's QuickTime and the DVD Player. Not a big deal.

Third party developers should just not use Apple's stupid mode. Problem solved. (Though I don't understand everyone's sudden fullscreen love. It's just goofy on a big screen expect for a select few use cases. Don't use it. That has always been the Mac OS philosophy.)

Overall I don't think it's a big issue. A small minority of Mac users is affected by this problem in a tiny number of use cases. It sucks for them – but no need to whine for hours on end. That's just annoying for the rest of us :-)

It seems like every single discussion about OS X is dominated by this stupid topic. It's boring. Yeah, it sucks. Everyone knows it. Apple made a stupid decision. Can we talk about something more interesting now?

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER23> And there goes my spare time... Every OS X release I'm more eager for Siracusa's review than the actual disk (or now download) itself :-)

<comment><USER24> So glad I waited and am having a late lunch today.

</comment></comment><comment><USER25> Some info from Siracusa about the different ways to read the review: [http://siracusa.tumblr.com/post/27978338524/about-my- mountai...](http://siracusa.tumblr.com/post/27978338524/about-my-mountain- lion-review)

Sounds like if you buy the Kindle version when it comes out ($5), he'll get a direct cut, which is nice.

<comment><USER26> On twitter, he actually points to the Arstechnica subscription (5$) which will give you the review in pdf/epub/mobi

At least he seems to be fine either way.

</comment></comment><comment><USER27> "Once the OS has been out for a while, try asking a Mac-using friend who is not obsessively reading multi-thousand-word operating system reviews on the Internet if he has noticed anything different about scrolling in Mountain Lion."

...priceless...

</comment><comment><USER28> Epic review as usual from John Siracusa. Dan Benjamin volunteered to do a reading of this for release in audio format, but I think John Siracusa ruled it out. Understandable as I think too many problems to overcome (images, footnotes, licensing etc), so just a dream really. Would happily have paid for that though. Hope they can sort out the Kindle release, definitely going to purchase that.

<comment><USER29> > Hope they can sort out the Kindle release, definitely going to purchase > that.

Whatever for? It's interesting, I'll give you that, but why don't you just spend $20 on the OS itself?

</comment></comment><comment><USER30> Marco made a review of John Siracusa review ;) [http://www.marco.org/2012/07/25/siracusa-mountain-lion- revie...](http://www.marco.org/2012/07/25/siracusa-mountain-lion-review- review)

</comment><comment><USER31> I find it fascinating that he "wrote" this piece using Dragon Dictate, a dictation program.

<comment><USER22> He has RSI.

</comment></comment><comment><USER32> The new iCloud support is interesting. I just edited the same iCloud document in TextEdit on two different machines, and I gotta say that is really damn cool.

On the other hand, this new iCloud support sadly highlights another unrelated new feature in Lion, and not in a good way: Automatic Termination.

You must use TextEdit to browse your iCloud documents, which is fine, but TextEdit keeps fucking disappearing on you because it has no open documents. Command+Tab away for a split second and it's gone, forcefully removed from your Dock and Command+Tab list.

Automatic Termination is a feature that is meant to serve _only_ the most novice of Windows users who are coming to OS X for the first, while it breaks an existing feature of the OS that has been fundamental to Mac OS X and NeXTSTEP for the last 23+ years. And it's not even an option.

It is hugely frustrating and hugely disappointing.

<comment><USER33> I can't recall ever experiencing auto termination on Lion or Mountain Lion throughout the DP previews. My hardware is nothing fancy -- 2011 MBA /w 4GB of RAM. What are your specs? Do you often have memory hungry applications open? Most of mine are pretty modest. I'm just curious what would cause such different results. Auto termination should definitely be the last resort and most low memory footprint apps should be totally excluded.

<comment><USER32> Unfortunately, there two different and unrelated features called "Auto Termination", which only muddies the water.

One feature aims to preserve system resources during low memory conditions in way that's completely invisible to the user.

The other forcefully removes running applications from the Dock and Command- Tab list even though these apps remain running in the background.

My frustration is with the latter feature.

<comment><USER34> To be clear though - Auto Termination of the latter form only occurs if no windows are active. It's basically saying, "If the user no longer has any active documents, and has moved this application to the background, then close it down."

Siracusa does a good job describing his annoyance with this feature - <USER3> points out that while appropriate for IOS, which has the MRU task switcher, it doesn't work very well on OS X which lacks that metaphor.

<comment><USER32> Yes, that's how it's supposed to work. But there are a bunch of edge cases usability-wise that it fails to handle. It is incredibly thoughtless to automatically quit an app the split second the user switches away from it, particularly if that user explicitly launched the app and has been using it for the last hour.

It has always been perfectly acceptable to close all of your windows and then hit Command+N or Command+O to open a new document. And that's even more important now that you _must_ use Command+O to browse your iCloud documents. But if something happens in between those steps, say an email comes in or you need to look something up, then it breaks in a really bad way.

It also has nothing to do with iOS. iOS never tries to guess that you've finished working with an app, never prevents you from switching to an app, never removes an app icon from Springboard or task switcher. Indeed, this form of Auto Termination is the exact opposite of how iOS operates.

It also has nothing to do with conserving resources. These "terminated" apps remain running the background, consuming memory. The OS simply prevents you from switching back to an app that you were previous using.

It is strictly a Windows UI feature, and a very unwelcome one.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER35> Definition of a review, by ArsTechnica : <http://imgur.com/RdohV>

<comment><USER36> <http://www.anandtech.com/> also has some pretty awesome reviews (for hardware).

<comment><USER35> Agreed, it's a reference, but I don't recall 20+ pages reviews. (Both had very well executed website redesigns too)

<comment><USER11> GeForce GTX 680: 20 pages [http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce- gtx-680-re...](http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce- gtx-680-review)

Ivy Bridge: 21 pages [http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge- core...](http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge- core-i7-3770k-review)

I'm sure there are others.

The SSD series were not technically review but went well beyond 20 e.g. <http://www.anandtech.com/show/2829/> is 27 pages.

<comment><USER35> You're right. It probably felt shorter because of the game testing parts.

<comment><USER11> Yeah, not all pages on anandtech reviews clock in at a thousand words, usually, and the number of graphs (especially for GPU reviews) make flying through much faster, almost slideshow-like in some cases.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER37> Am I missing an obvious single page link, or do they really want you to pay not to have to click through 25 pages?

<comment><USER11> > or do they really want you to pay not to have to click through 25 pages?

You can get Ars Premier, buy the ebook or use some sort of stitching reader.

Not that I have a problem clicking through 25 pages _when each page holds 1000 words and is a self-contained section or a pair of sections_. Siracusa pays close attention to pagination in order to pace the article, in my experience of his reviews the page breaks are actually welcome as they give natural "yield" points for doing something else before coming back

edit: in fact, Siracusa notes (on his blog):

> I actually like [pagination] for very long articles because it helps me keep > my place across multiple reading sessions. I can remember I was on page 8 > instead of remembering my exact position in a very long scrolling web page.

> [...]

> Some people think Ars Technica forces me to break my article up into many > tiny pages. That's not the case. I choose how to paginate the article. I > like to break it up by topic, if possible, which means that the "pages" vary > widely in length. This year, Ars Technica actually asked me to merge several > pages together to reduce the total number of pages (and I did).

So not only did he decide the pagination based on his desires regardless of advertisement money, ars actually asked him to paginate _less_.

<comment><USER38> Apparently someone needs to do a 25-page review of the W3C HTML spec and link to the section on the Anchor tag for him.

<comment><USER11> You mean the thing he used in his table of contents and in every fucking section title of his review?

You should avoid blaming him for your own misreadings.

<comment><USER38> "I actually like [pagination] for very long articles because it helps me keep my place across multiple reading sessions. I can remember I was on page 8 instead of remembering my exact position in a very long scrolling web page."

Tell me why 'I can remember I was reading the section "A Cloud In Three Parts"' doesn't work?

There is a reason that sites that actually understand the medium put a mouseover on Section Titles and anchors so that the link is discoverable. If you don't put a link anchor next to it's respective title you really have no option but to think "Gee, pages are better."

<comment><USER39> The same reason it's easier to remember that something in a book was 3 pages ago rather than 14 paragraphs... or even sections. It's cognitively useful to have a physical measure for distance rather than a more abstract one; clicking a link on the web is (metaphorically) understood as a physical act of moving. Scrolling is physical, too, but it's more fluid while paging is sort of "integral".

<comment><USER38> Give it another ten years and the concept of knowing you were on page 5 will be the same as knowing you were listening to the b-side of a vinyl record. It'll be nice for nostalgia, but will cease to be a reference point.

<comment><USER39> That might be the case but it's irrelevant to the point I was making, that physical metaphors are cognitively useful to provide an alternative structure/index to experiences/information. Your example is a good one because we have lost this particular physical metaphor in the move towards CDs and more so regarding MP3s. But the web has its own set of metaphors, and _web browsing as a journey_ is a pretty powerful and entrenched one.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER40> My biggest pet peeve with 10.7 (besides the loss of arrows on my scroll bars) is the dumbing down of the Network control panel. In 10.7 you couldn't configure your WiFi to connect to 802.1x networks (i.e. WPA Enterprise.) You had to download the iPhone configuration utility, build a config file, then import it. 10.6 would let you set the configuration in the network control panel. Even iOS doesn't require ICU to connect. I didn't see anything about it in the review so I assume 10.8 is still set up the screwy 10.7 way.

</comment><comment><USER41> Siracusa really does an outstanding job with these reviews.

</comment><comment><USER42> Is it just me, or did anyone else notice an increase in graphics performance? I did not measure, but it should be significant, as I am noticing it in normal usage.

I'll hook it up to an external monitor later to try and stress it a little bit more.

I have a Late 2009 Macbook White, with 8GB and an SSD.

</comment><comment><USER43> I just want to know if it will be easier or harder to compile ruby and python libraries with native extensions that depend on, say, libxml2.

I upgraded to Lion and it took 8 hours off of the installation process for lxml. But nokogiri was still nearly impossible.

<comment><USER11> > I upgraded to Lion and it took 8 hours off of the installation process for > lxml.

Am I misreading this? It took 8 hours to compile libxml2, libxslt and lxml?

Surely that's not possible and I missed something, I just tried making a full static build (to ensure I'd have to build libiconv, libxml2 and libxslt as well) from the current HEAD, on 10.6, using the stock gcc 4.2 on a 2.4GHz 2010 MBP and it took 3:48 total including downloading the tarballs for libiconv, libxml2 and libxslt and cythoning lxml.

</comment></comment><comment><USER44> If you need to properly prepare for this review checkout this video: [http://patdryburgh.com/blog/preparing-for-john-siracusas- rev...](http://patdryburgh.com/blog/preparing-for-john-siracusas-review-of- mountain-lion/)

</comment><comment><USER45> For me, the update to the messages beta app alone was worth it: iMessage on the Mac is so useful to keep in touch with friends, and the beta app was buggy as

</comment><comment><USER46> The review doesn't say how long it takes to install once downloaded. Is this a lunch break install or a "wait-till-evening" installation?

<comment><USER47> I did it during my lunch break ;) "Preparing to install" took 10 minutes (you can still use the system during this time) and the install itself took ~30 minutes on a 2011 MBA. Rebooted right to the desktop with no fuss.

<comment><USER46> Perfect! Did you have any services like postgresql or redis or anything that needed to be reinstalled?

/EDIT I just rebooted and my services were still present with no change. They had been installed with homebrew.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER48> What's with his obsession with iOS? He makes it sound like iOS is the quintessential operating system.

<comment><USER49> It's not his obsession with iOS at all, it's Apple's obsession with iOS leading to that being by far the most logical explanation for why something has changed in OS X if the answer isn't immediately obvious. Last time I checked the only iOS device Siracusa owns personally is a 2nd generation iPod touch.

Why does a button now look like that, or a feature now work that way, why is that app renamed or that texture changed? The answer is usually "because that's how it works in iOS". You're making a mistake in assuming that because he's trying to explain Apple's motivation behind it that he agrees with it.

As for why Apple is obsessed with iOS, it's probably because it has made them tens of billions of dollars, has vast and focused mindshare, and it's wildly popular. iOS makes tons of hard decisions in the name of making a device that users can pick up and run with.

Our opinions on it (you, me, and Siracusa's) are basically irrelevant. The key is Apple thinks iOS is the quintessential operating system and it has the sales to back it up. That's why ML is the way it is. Acknowledging that when trying to write a review about it is important.

</comment></comment><comment><USER50> Why is it when you enable dictation it needs to send your contacts to Apple?

<comment><USER51> I'm assuming this is so that if you speak the name of one of your contacts, it understands the word. Names can be weird, especially last names, so they're bound not to be in the standard list of words that can be used. This way you can name your contacts when dictating without the system freaking out.

</comment></comment><comment><USER52> Isn't there a TL;DR;TL;DR;TL;DR^25 somewhere?

<comment><USER53> Here you go: "Better"

<comment><USER54> Don't you mean "one step away from a walled garden"?

<comment><USER53> No, else that's what I'd have typed.

The walled garden thing is interesting. I (and a couple of other people I know) instantly reacted to Gatekeeper with "fantastic, I can lock down my Dad's machine and keep him out of trouble".

One step towards a walled garden doesn't place you inside a walled garden and in it's current form Gatekeeper is a good thing. Disabling it was the first thing I did when I installed Mountain Lion and it took about 15 seconds (including me not knowing where the option was). In this version of OS X I honestly think it's a non-issue.

The big question is whether this is the first step on a journey into the walled garden or just an individual step that happens to be in that direction.

Personally my feeling is that they won't ever take that final step. I think they get that OS X isn't iOS and that you can't apply the same standards for any number of reasons, both practical and political. Taking something away from people (which is what this would be) is a whole different thing to never having given it to them in the first place (which is what has happened with iOS).

But for now no-one knows. As I say, for now I don't see it as any issue with 10.8. Whether there is an issue with 10.9 or 10.10 or whatever, time will tell.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER55> > But I walked my dog briefly in the middle.

Don't take the article too seriously. If you did, you probably missed the point.</comment>


Accepted to second degree program, full time job with pension – attend or not? - <AUTHOR> Hi all, I work as a quant analyst in the public sector in Canada, basically doing data analysis with R, SQL, SAS, but I'd like to switch to a more software focused role. I am a BSc. Econ grad with 4.0 GPA, and have passed the CFA level I & II exams, so I'm thinking that perhaps a software dev role in a pension fund, big bank, or fintech co. would be a good fit.
I've been accepted to a 20 month CS second degree program at the University of British Columbia. Keep in mind, the tuition is much cheaper than US tuition, being $5,506.80 per year for CS. However, I think it would cost me around $48,000 for the degree, including living costs & fees, and I'd have to move.
I'm in my late twenties and would like to make this transition quickly. I could go on unpaid leave to complete it, however, the opportunity cost of lost salary would be large. I don't know whether I should self study, contribute to OSS if I can and build a portfolio, or get the credential. My thoughts have been consumed by this decision for weeks and my opinion seems to change daily - help me make up my damn mind! <comment><USER2> If you want to look at it clinically, what are the full costs of relocation, education and two years without pay coupled with when do you plan to retire? You have that age minus about 30 to make up the difference. If you believe your new education can get you a 8% lift in compensation then you are likely going to come out ahead (financially).

Now throw into the mix, whatever your estimated change in satisfaction is, discounted by the risk of being unemployed during a major downturn.

If it were me, I think the reward does not match the situational risk, but I have kids. If I was keen on the training, then taking courses part-time might be a viable alternative.

If you can program in R you might also ask yourself if you are already qualified for the job you seek. In fact, what you are looking for might be considered a step down.

In the end, only you can say if it is worth it.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks for your comment. That's a good way to break down the value of it, and yes there is certainly an increased risk level during this huge downturn.

There's a few aspects that make it difficult for me to assess. Right now, I feel kind of uncomfortable.. I feel as if I'm in a position which, at least outside of my org, is much more difficult to obtain without a graduate degree, and I don't think I'd enjoy doing a master's in stats etc. I like that software dev has less credentialism in that you can go very far with just a bachelors, or even without, providing you have the skills etc.

Though, if I did go the self taught route, I would not be able to remain in (most of, probably) the public sector or my org, whereas if I got the degree I could potentially come back to my position (with changed duties) or another in my org. But I could get up to 1 year of unpaid leave to try it out, and return to my position (same duties) if I wanted to. I'm also uncertain as to what degree Canadian employers are open to a self taught dev. Is this more accepted in the USA I wonder.

The other thing is, I've been through two reorgs already. Although things are good now, that can quickly change with a bad manager, and I feel like with the CS degree it'd be easier for me to quickly get a different job elsewhere.

One much cheaper alternative for me, which would take a lot longer, is to do a few core online CS courses and apply to Georgia Tech's OMSCS, but that would be completed ~ 4 yrs from now. Doing the CFA exams while working full time took a lot out of me - I'm afraid I'd constantly have doubts if it wasn't a full time program that I can just hammer out and get done. It can be hard to evaluate where you're at when you're self taught too I think.</comment></comment>


Ask HN: Any HN recommentadion for secure and private instant messaging? - <AUTHOR> I know, there was already a plenty related topics. Telegram is hated everywhere, WhatsApp is not that bad, but still not good enough. Signal is promising, but lacks of desktop client -- Chrome app is likely a temporary solution and still, Android smartphone is required in order to use it. Tox probably is not worth mentioning now.
So, is there any alternative nowadays? Especially ones that does not require zomg smartphones other than XMPP+OTR combination? Nice to have Linux or web client.
Don't want to start a flame war or something. <comment><USER2> Wire is cross platform and works quite well. Since using it I've noticed steady improvements. I do notice that messaging apps take up quite a bit of battery on mobile.

</comment><comment><USER3> Linphone is the one I use. It has clients for all major OSes.

There's also Jitsi and Pidgin, but I haven't tried them lately.

<comment><AUTHOR> With Pidgin you can use many protocols, including ICQ or almost forgotten XMPP that's still not that bad choice (in combination with OTR). Aim of this discussion is which protocol gives the best chances for secure and private communication with E2EE.

Would be cool to see Web client for Signal that do not depends on Android app.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Also if you like privacy you shold try BBM(blackberry messenger) also if you doubt about the privacy of BBM check this link [https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/aug/08/london- riots-f...](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/aug/08/london-riots- facebook-twitter-blackberry)

[https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/27/pakistan-...](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/27/pakistan- bans-blackberry-messaging-internet-services-privacy-crackdown)

[http://thenextweb.com/me/2010/08/28/5-countries-that-will- or...](http://thenextweb.com/me/2010/08/28/5-countries-that-will-or-have- banned-blackberry/#gref)

you can install it on android, iOS even on desktop with some android emulator

<comment><USER5> Two of the articles you linked to are from 2011 or prior. Since then, it's been demonstrated that BBM can be intercepted.

Just a couple weeks ago, a Blackberry executive publicly criticized Apple for not assisting law enforcement when it came to mobile device security.

And if that isn't enough to cause you concern, Blackberry is in big trouble. Who's going to buy them? What are they going to do with all that data?

<comment><AUTHOR> That's why I'm looking for IM with E2EE enabled by default. So I use OTR but not many want to play with sharing secrets, question and answers or any other method of authentication, not mentioning fingerprint verification.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Have you looked at Cyber Dust? It was created by Mark Cuban for secure communications after having his email messages taken out of context in court. They have mobile apps, not sure if desktop clients exist yet.

<comment><AUTHOR> Is there any web client? As far as I can see it is only available on Android and iOS. Unfortunately I don't use any of them.

<comment><USER6> It does not seem like there is a web client yet.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> how about slack? a lot of people are using it</comment>


SlidePay (YC W12) Tries To Be The "Android" of Payments - <AUTHOR> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/30/slidepay/

<comment><USER2> Best of luck - this is exactly what we're looking for. Suggestion: It would be fantastic if we could port existing merchant accounts or (better yet) existing gateways. For example, we're currently using Braintree for web transactions, but would love to use your service for mobile. It would be great if we could continue using our vaulted cards on braintree, but use your service for frontend.

<comment><AUTHOR> let's chat. my email is charlie[at]slidepay[dot]com.

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> How is this different from Stripe?

[https://stripe.com/us/help/pricing](https://stripe.com/us/help/pricing)

It's interesting that the fees are the same for a transaction when a card isn't present 2.9% + 30 cents, but 2.5% + 10 cents per transaction when a card is present.

I wonder what Stripe's response to this will be.

<comment><USER4> With Stripe you type in the card number. With SlidePay you swipe the card.

<comment><USER3> does SlidePay give you a slider? You can slide cards with Stripe, you just need a card slider that you can use on the phone and implement the stripe API with it.

Edit: OK, it appears they give you a slider.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> I don't get the analogy. SlidePay is the "Android" of payments versus Square as the "Apple" of payments, but the author then goes on to say SlidePay is like a white label version of Square. How is Android a white label version of iOS? How does the analogy help frame this service? Why not just explain what it is and how it's different directly?

<comment><USER6> With the iPhone, everything (device, software, services) are from Apple.

With Android, Google provides parts that different device manufacturers can use to augment their device. Manufacturers can use their own hardware and add whatever software they want to Android.

Not a great analogy, though -- especially since my initial impression was that it only worked on Android while Square was for iOS.

A better analogy would probably be "Stripe's API + Square's Hardware".

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> This is great, I've been searching all over for a white-label Square. Others, like PayAnywhere, have fallen short.

<comment><AUTHOR> let's chat about this. my email is charlie[at]slidepay[dot]com

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> For others researching options for card-present transactions with an API, there's also [http://getcardflight.com](http://getcardflight.com)

They feature a Stripe integration of some sort.

</comment><comment><USER9> I'm not sure about the technology or business, but I will say that I absolutely love the interactive sliding graphics on their landing page.

</comment><comment><USER10> I was just researching rolling my own payment system for an app using the Stripe API and a card reader. Looking forward to trying this out.

<comment><USER11> If you're looking to integrate a card reader and a Stripe account, you might want to check out CardFlight: [https://getcardflight.com/connect-with- stripe](https://getcardflight.com/connect-with-stripe)

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> well they sure chose one hell of a great name for this pivot to a service catering to physical cc readers. For that alone I am damn impressed right now. Great branding.

</comment><comment><USER13> One of the best teams out there, good luck guys!

</comment><comment><USER14> sounds like a hell of pivot. best of luck guys!

</comment><comment><USER15> Best of luck guys!</comment>


Twitter Prices IPO Above Estimates at $26 Per Share, Valuation Up to $18B - <AUTHOR> http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/06/twitter-prices-ipo-at-26-per-share/

<comment><USER2> It really baffles me why the share price is reported as if it means anything at all on its own.

<comment><USER3> What? It means a lot, starting with how much money twitter will raise. Then it suggests a rough valuation (at usually a modest discount) to what institutional investors think the company is worth.

<comment><USER4> His point is price means nothing except in the context of how many shares there are, but yet the amount of shares is never talked about only the price. 200 shares at 100 dollars means nothing but 1 million shares at 100 dollars means much more.

<comment><USER3> Well, since we already knew the number of shares, the comment made little sense to me.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> An $18 billion valuation for a company with dramatically accelerating losses, currently at the rate of over $20M per month. What could possibly go wrong there?

<comment><USER6> Valued the same as Tesla. Is there anyone here who would rather own Twitter instead of Tesla five years from now?

<comment><USER5> Personally, I would shy away from both of them. If you really want to be in one of these companies, at least Facebook has earnings and scale. I've never liked twitter and get no value out of it, so perhaps I'm the wrong guy to ask, but I suspect Twitter is headed the way of MySpace.

<comment><USER7> > Twitter is headed the way of MySpace

Possibly. Once Instagram's number of users (150 million) hits Twitter's number of users (232 million) it won't be looking so good for Twitter, if Instagram continues to grow. Maybe Twitter will take over SnapChat (26 million users) though. Twitter just isn't gaining, they seem pretty stagnant, taking over a younger company could give them some growth.

<comment><USER5> The comparison to Instagram is interesting. I used to do some marketing on Vine. Our traffic from Vine dropped more than 90% in less than 1 week after Instagram introduced video. That's how fast a replacement for Twitter could gobble up its business as well. IMO, Twitter is better suited as a feature, not a product, and definitely not an $18 billion company.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> In case you're curious, the lockup expiration will happen 180 days after IPO, or May 6, 2014. I already added a note to my calendar.

<comment><USER9> What are you expecting at that point? FB's major lockup expiration (Nov 14 2012) was preceded by a dip a few days prior (not the lowest price in the previous few weeks though) and then went up on the lockup date.

Are you expecting a similar drop as news articles go out about the pending lockup a week/days before, followed by it going up after some people realise everyone knew about this all along?

<comment><USER8> FB had three lockup expirations and the first two caused dips.

And, essentially, yes. Most lockup expirations, in my experience, seem cause a meaningful dip in the company's stock price. This happened with Zillow a couple years ago, it just happened to Tableau last week, and it happened twice to FB, and those are just the examples I can think of off the top of my head.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> Twitter 2007: Who wants to post status messages which are limited to 140 characters

Twitter 2010: Who wants to invest in a company which limits status messages to 140 characters

Twitter 2013: Who thinks $26/share is a viable price for a company which limits what people say to 140 characters, has no photo albums, events and all of facebook's features (hint: Twitter is not Facebook)

<comment><USER11> That's all fine and dandy but the proof of the pudding lies in a successful monetization strategy. From where I'm sitting, I just can't see how they're ever going to convince enough people to pony up (directly or indirectly) for what is, at its core, an artificially constrained public sms service (that thus far they've been accustomed to using for free).

<comment><USER12> What? People already pay to advertise on the service, the convincing is happening right now.

<comment><USER11> In a sane world I don't think there will be enough of them to stem the losses and deliver a solid return on an IPO that values the company in the double digit billions. Happy to be wrong but only time will tell.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> The market conditions this past week or so have been rough on tech stocks. I'm sure it's not what Twitter management would consider ideal, but pulling an IPO is a very drastic move. As is, anything could happen tomorrow.

<comment><USER14> Maybe all the tech stock fans are cashing out in preparation to sink it all into Twitter...

<comment><USER13> Ok, maybe? But do you really think that's what's happening? More likely, I think a generally underwhelming earnings season has deflated a few of these momo stocks.

<comment><USER14> I actually do suspect that's what's happening, yes.

<comment><USER13> I think that's a little naive. The market cap of twitter does not make up for the losses in tech over the last 2-3 weeks. And that's as-if there is no new money in the game, that to buy one stock you have to sell the rest. Which means paying taxes. Not for macro reasons but JUST to buy a new offering?

Twitter is not the only big IPO. There is no pattern of market turndown in the lead up to an IPO. The whole idea is a bit silly to me.

<comment><USER14> 2-3 weeks? I was thinking just the day or two before actually, and only the handful of really popular tech stocks. Thanks for your patronizing put down though.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> I'm anticipating a fall to the more realistic $14 immediately after open, similar to FB.

What I'm actually doing is something completely illogical.

<comment><USER16> Yep, time after time I carefully plot out a short and don't have the balls to go through with it. I've lost millions on paper at this point. :) Sigh. :(

<comment><USER17> You can't short an IPO...

<comment><USER18> Not _immediately_ , but you could probably find an entity to borrow them off, pretty quickly.

I wouldn't have thought it would affect the overall shorting effect too much either.

[http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/05/062905.asp](http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/05/062905.asp)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER19> Twitter IPOs at $26/share with 700 million shares. Facebook ipo'ed at $38/share with 2.55 billion shares. Mathematically, Twitter's IPO is about 1/4 the value of Facebook.

Twitter has 200 million active users Facebook has 1.15 billion active users

I don't think twitter is worth 1/5 the market cap of Facebook. It doesn't have photo albums, groups, calendars, events that facebook does, and twitter still has a long way to go for mobile. Most of my friends uses a third party tweet client (like tweetbot) and don't even have twitter's app installed.

Therefore, I think Twitter is very much overpriced. Did I miss something?

[https://blog.twitter.com/2013/celebrating- twitter7](https://blog.twitter.com/2013/celebrating-twitter7) [http://thenextweb.com/facebook/2013/07/24/facebook- users-q2-...](http://thenextweb.com/facebook/2013/07/24/facebook- users-q2-2013/)

<comment><USER20> It would be better to consider Facebook's monthly active users at the time of their IPO.

The breakdown looks more like this:

Facebook at IPO: MAU: $845M [1], Valuation: $104B [1], Value/User = $123

Facebook Today: MAU: 1.15B [2], Valuation: $120B [3], Value/User = $104

Twitter at IPO: MAU: 218M [4], Valuation: $18.1B [5], Value/User = $83

[1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_public_offering_of_Face...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_public_offering_of_Facebook)

[2] [http://thenextweb.com/facebook/2013/07/24/facebook- users-q2-...](http://thenextweb.com/facebook/2013/07/24/facebook- users-q2-2013/)

[3] [https://www.google.ca/finance?q=NASDAQ:FB](https://www.google.ca/finance?q=NASDAQ:FB)

[4] [http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/03/blindtweeting/](http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/03/blindtweeting/)

[5] [http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/06/twitter-prices-ipo- at-26-pe...](http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/06/twitter-prices-ipo-at-26-per- share/)

<comment><USER15> Wallstreet is insane if it thinks Twitter is making $80 a user in the lifetime of the company.</comment></comment></comment>


Oversaid – Keeping track of who said what in tech - <AUTHOR> https://www.oversaid.com <comment><AUTHOR> Hi all,

Over the past few months I have been building a data pipeline that extracts quotes and assigns them to company executives, using natural language processing (spacy).

I am focusing on the tech industry right now which I know pretty well (I used to work at CB Insights). Every Wednesday I put together a newsletter featuring interesting quotes and explain why they matter.

Eventually, Oversaid will be a platform that lets you search quotes yourself and come up with your own analysis, but I wanted to launch something early while I build out the product so that I can learn from prospective customers.

I'm having a lot of fun writing these up and I hope you enjoy reading them!

Here's the last email I sent: [https://mailchi.mp/ab609ce94c60/bill-gates- gives-bezos-some-...](https://mailchi.mp/ab609ce94c60/bill-gates-gives-bezos- some-space)

<comment><USER2> Hey, this looks kind of nice actually. But why hide the content behind an email sign-up, why not also provide an RSS feed, or at least the latest 1-3 send-outs? If you hadn't provided that link to the latest e-mail I would've brushed it off entirely and not given it a moments more thought. But you did provide that link, and I found the content relevant and interesting, and even dove deeper into a couple of the articles.

The content in this one e-mail is pretty good, but before I sign up I'd like to see more. But also it's not clear to me that I'm your customer, because reading your post here it sounds like your customer isn't the consumer of these feeds but actually the producers? I'm not one of them, so why do you care about my e-mail address, other than to sell to your actual customers down the line?

<comment><AUTHOR> Hi, fair question!

The main reason I'm starting this newsletter is to start conversations with people about this data, which is why I want people's emails.

Right now I'm hoping people are enticed enough to put their email address to check it out. I might be wrong about that and I might add a link to the latest email on the home page in the future to see if signups improved.

I have no intention of selling those emails. My goal is to start a Saas platform based on this data. A very small number of subscribers will hopefully become clients. The rest can just enjoy the newsletter and help me get the word out if they feel like it.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> Sorry in advance for the rather harsh feedback, that follows. It's basically my unfiltered impression when I visited your site before reading your introduction comment here.

This is one of the occasions, when I love the German "every website needs a 'Who's responsible for this?' page" law (a.k.a. "Impressumspflicht"). Why should I trust your specific selection of quotes and their interpretation? You even don't trust your visitors with a "Who are we?" section. For all I know, this could be a Chinese or Russian troll factory outlet sale.

For this to work (for me, at least) you need to work _way_ more on the site's transparency than a more or less default privacy disclaimer and an e-mail input form: Who am I, what criteria and sources are used for the quotes, how are they categorized, what do I do to prevent bias... The technology may as well be sound and state-of-the-art, but if I don't trust the website, I won't sign up to anything.

<comment><USER4> Does the commentator matter if the quotes are sourced?

<comment><USER5> Yes, because it may show the commentators intention and may offer some context of the interpretation.

Also, a lot of people don't read the source. Or know the context.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Love this idea. And congrats Alex - CB Insights Mafia!

Things that I think folks (aka me) would find interesting:

1\. Impressions/views on tech markets (what they're entering, their views on growth of markets, etc)

2\. Views on competition esp if they talk isht

3\. Quotes with data. Because some of these products by tech cos are opaque with stats, if execs drop a figure about growth, that's valuable.

4\. Over time, it'd be cool if you could see what products execs talk about in their public comments as that might give an indication of what they're focused on. Suspect they might not talk a lot about specific products so perhaps wishful thinking.

IMO, personally, I think quotes on politics are boring mainly cuz that doesn't give insight into the biz and cuz politics is already everywhere.

Enjoying the emails so far and look forward to seeing where Oversaid goes

Congrats again.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks Anand!

Love idea #3, I'll have to dig in and see if there's enough of that. Might be info that's in the article and not in the quote itself.

I'm excited to get into #4 as I go through historical sources and extract old quotes.

<comment><USER7> For #3, you may want to include guest engineering blog posts shared to highscalability [1]. There are sometimes growth hints and stats included in the posts.

[http://highscalability.com/blog/category/example](http://highscalability.com/blog/category/example)

<comment><AUTHOR> Perfect! Thank you

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Rich people thoughts delivered directly to your email, oh boy sign me up.

</comment><comment><USER9> I want to have some fun. There it goes my email...</comment>


Ask HN: Whats the best way for a Software Engineer to learn finance? - <AUTHOR> Hello!
I'm a young software engineer looking to learn enough finance to get started in algorithmic trading.
What are some good resources for someone with a programmer's mindset to learn finance?
Thanks! <comment><USER2> If by trading, you mean high-frequency, then don't. I encourage you to instead study investing. But if you must learn trading (don't), then Ernie Chan and Michael Halls-Moore's book (s) might be a good place to start.

<comment><USER3> Why not?

<comment><USER4> I think because it is hard to beat the HFT systems that are already co-located at exchanges. Second, it takes at a minimum $25,000 and probably $50,000 realistically to even get started trading. Most places wont let you jump in the ring without it. Third, the OP should be prepared to lose all their money and be ok with that.

<comment><USER3> I've heard this before, but it still seems a fun hobby, especially in domains that may be less exploited like crypto.

<comment><USER5> Well crypto is not regulated so be prepared to be fleeced.

<comment><USER4> This is so true. I have some friends that are going after the crytpo market and they are indeed losing every penny.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Hello - fellow software engineer who dabbles in quantitative investing here. I would start with episode 1 of Meb Faber's podcast: [http://mebfaber.com/podcast/](http://mebfaber.com/podcast/)

And listen to all the episodes. Take your time, it took me about a year to get through them all.

One of my favorite guests was Gary Antonacci. I read his book Dual Momentum Investing after hearing his episode. I now use his algorithm for a sizable portion of my portfolio.

I believe all of the day-trader focused algorithmic contests like Quantopian are a joke. Don't waste your time. Quick trading strategies are a race to ZERO as quality AI systems will crush all the humans in the long term.

I have found it possible to design profitable long-only strategies that only trade once every 6 months or per year. You may find your own niches. I backtest my algorithms with homegrown ruby code and data from tradier.com (free with an account). I trade the good ones at motifinvesting.com which lets you establish a track record.

Good luck! Please share your twitter handle so I can keep tabs on you. I'm at @baccredited

<comment><USER7> Thanks for this @baccredited. I found Tradier from your note. I will keep you posted about my progres.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> I am going through this right now actually. I am learning more math aggressively, pursuing a degree in Economics and since I am writing my own tools I am always refining my C++. So far I have 9 apps that make up my process and each do a different step in my process.

The Chan books are good. I'd recommend staying away from his latest book. There isn't much new content in my opinion.

E-Mail in profile if you get stuck.

Edit: I am also reading "Options, Futures, and Other Derivatives (10th Edition)"

<comment><USER8> Hi. Do you have a strong reason to write your tools in c++ and not python?

<comment><USER4> I have 20+ years with c++ so I just default to that for my projects.

<comment><USER8> You may wish to consider trying out python for this. In my experience it is likely a better match for this job. It includes simple libraries for: \- Web hooks \- Plotting \- logging \- text parsing \- unit tests And it can be run as a simple script.

I understand the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality. However if you are finding any friction using C++ you might want to consider a different technology.

<comment><USER4> Thanks. I am always willing to try new things.

For c++ I just write what I need if I can't find an api I like.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> Read Ed Thorp's 'A Man for All Markets'. Fantastic biography of an extraordinary mind. Godfather of stat arb/market neutral.

It is also very helpful to understand how corporate finance works. Read 10-Ks from a few company you're interested in. These can be found on the company's investor relations page or in the Edgar database. (Ideally a consumer driven company that makes stuff for people vs a bank, energy co, etc). Learn how the various financial statements interact. While you're looking at this study DCF valuation.

Get an idea of how non-quants evaluate investments. Particularly good are Howard Mark's Chairman's Letters and David Einhorn's 'Fooling Some of the People'.

Read Taleb's 'Fooled by Randomness.'

Read more Taleb.

Completely ignore financial media (eg CNBC).

</comment><comment><USER10> In my experience, studying finance books is almost a complete waste of time. There are several platforms, such as Interactive Brokers, that provide APIs and market data feeds that you can get started on writing trading programs very quickly. Don't think that you are going to invent profitable trading strategies, at least not for a long time. There are lots of interesting and useful exercises that are lots of fun and can be executed with very little capital, for example, try building an algorithm that executes N shares of stock over the day and executes them at an average price that gets as close as possible to the volume weighted average price over the day. If you can do that, you'll have learned as much as most working algo developers, and if you're trying to break into a job in finance, you'll have a big advantage over most candidates who have dabbled because you will be about the only one who has built something useful rather than focusing on some hokey alpha signal.

If you really want to trade your own money for profit, yes, the space is crowded and HFTs have already found most of the profitable signals that scale, but it is still possible to find profitable signals if you source data that is somewhat new or unique and you look for signals that are capacity constrained and therefore of less interest to HFTs.

</comment><comment><USER11> I might suggest you pick up copies of the books in the Market Wizards series. A good library should have them (or could get them). It's a series of interviews with some of the best in the field, across all kinds of different types of finance. They're enjoyable reads, filled with insight, and give a good broad perspective from which you can dive deeper into areas that you think might be especially interesting to you.

[1] Market Wizards - [https://www.amazon.com/Market-Wizards-Jack-D- Schwager/dp/088...](https://www.amazon.com/Market-Wizards-Jack-D- Schwager/dp/0887306101)

[2] The New Market Wizards - [https://www.amazon.com/New-Market-Wizards- Conversations-Amer...](https://www.amazon.com/New-Market-Wizards- Conversations-Americas/dp/0887306675)

[3] Hedge Fund Market Wizards - [https://www.amazon.com/Hedge-Fund-Market- Wizards-Winning/dp/...](https://www.amazon.com/Hedge-Fund-Market-Wizards- Winning/dp/1118273044)

</comment><comment><USER12> Learn valuation [http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/New_Home_Page/equity.ht...](http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/New_Home_Page/equity.html)

</comment><comment><USER13> Read some books, study various aspects via books experiments, maybe take/audit/or watch a few specific finance classes (graduate MBA level finance will be easy for you) don't do the whole degree.</comment>


Scientists vs. politicians: the reality check for 'warp speed' vaccine research - <AUTHOR> https://www.ft.com/content/1467b1da-28a5-47d4-a5e2-a6f4b68484c3 <comment><AUTHOR> >"I don't want to be a Debbie Downer but let's be clear: to get a vaccine by 2021 would be like drawing multiple inside straights in a row, to use a poker analogy," Dr Bach* says.

* Peter Bach, director of the Center for Health Policy and Outcomes at Memorial Sloan Kettering.</comment>


Pharmaceuticals could be the prescription for trade war that truly hurts the US - <AUTHOR> https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/why-pharmaceuticals-could-be-the-prescription-for-trade-warfare-that-truly-hurts-america/ <comment><USER2> "That means that Canada's symmetrical retaliation is not working..."

That's because Canada and other countries are responding rationally with tariffs targeting America as a whole. They don't seem to understand that guy in charge (Trump) and his cohorts who started this trade war don't care about America.</comment>


Safepaste: A security-conscious paste service - <AUTHOR> https://safepaste.org <comment><USER2> [https://safepaste.org/](https://safepaste.org/)

This is what I get (20Mar2016; 4pm ET)

SSL Error

Your connection is not private

You attempted to reach safepaste.org, but the server presented an invalid certificate.

You cannot proceed because the website operator has requested heightened security for this domain.

You cannot visit safepaste.org right now because the website sent scrambled credentials that Opera cannot process. Network errors and attacks are usually temporary, so this page will probably work later.

<comment><AUTHOR> I've never seen this issue before; are you still seeing it? Seems like the result of some temporary down-time.

<comment><USER2> Sorry for getting back to you so late on this. It seems to be an issue specific to Opera (using version 34.0.2036.25, Feb/2016). Just tried again in Opera and get the same warning.

I seem to encounter the same problem on one or two other random https sites using Opera. I'll have to track the sites and report the issue to Opera.

Tried using other browsers and no issues accessing this site.</comment></comment></comment>


Ballerina Programming Language Revamped, at 1.0 - <AUTHOR> https://thenewstack.io/ballerina-programming-language-revamped-at-1-0/ <comment><USER2> I've just learnt that James Clark (of SP and general SGML fame, and missed by the markup community) and WSO2 is behind Ballerina [1].

[1]: [https://blog.jclark.com/2019/09/ballerina-programming- langua...](https://blog.jclark.com/2019/09/ballerina-programming-language- part-0.html)</comment>


Why do event sites suck? - <AUTHOR> http://jtoy.net/2009/09/11/events-idea.html <comment><USER2> I used to work for Upcoming.org. Yes I know about the location bug and way more besides. I'm sorry, there's nothing I can do about it any more.

You're missing the bigger picture. Forget about tight calendar integration and blah blah, that's a nice to have, and reasonably easy compared to the bigger problems.

Event sites suck because they never have most of the events you want to go to. And without some fundamentally new way of learning about events, they never will.

Events sites are trying to do something a lot harder than the typical Web 2.0 startup. They are trying to build an accurate and _complete_ picture of the real world, with a constantly shifting time horizon of about a few weeks, out of relatively apathetic users and very flaky and fragmented and non- technologized players (promoters, fans, etc.).

Contrast that with say, a photo hosting site. The assets at a photo hosting site are all-digital, last for years and constantly accrue new visitors. If you uploaded a photo to Flickr in 2005, it's still making money for them today, one way or another. It's also still garnering the user comments and page views, giving them some love at the same time. You have no expectation that Flickr should have _all_ the photos you want to know about, just that there be enough good ones.

Your idea of autodiscovery via microformat already exists (hCalendar) but good luck getting others to use it. There are several startups which tried natural language parsing to grok events from the web but none came close to succeeding. The best method might be to reuse calendar entries, and Google's made some efforts in this direction.

Anyway, all the above problems seem to confine event startups to, at best, becoming authoritative for certain local scenes. None have ever taken off and just become authoritative even for an entire city, or a music category across cities. The only ones who are winning are just pouring money into the problem, sucking up event data from a variety of commercial sources. So far there's no real community solution to this problem.

<comment><USER3> Yes neilk, awesome. Let me also add...

I am not convinced that very many people care about discovering new events in the first place, at least not events that don't have an immediate impact on one's social status. People learn about most events from their friends or their existing communities. This should not seem strange because people become friends with one another (or join communities) through having aligned interests. This solution seems optimized already. I don't think you can beat it, or at least not in a way that creates enough value to justify a standalone "event community". Does it hit home that you, OP, may be essentially trying to create a community around people with the common interest of "We like to attend events"?

Ah, but you say: "Well, the key value will be that people will link to their friends and they will interact around the events that they will attend together. We're covered." Indeed, this is usually listed in the first set of bulleted features people start whiteboarding:

      Idea #27: Let's Build an Event Site!
       * Aggregate all events from everywhere... except recurring Sunday church services, random unknown people's birthday (who published their private event as public), and dozens of guys who are making up interesting-sounding events just trying to do lead generation for their Quixtar, TEAM, etc get-rich-using-something-similar-to-a-pyramid-scheme-but-we-swear-its-not-a-pyramid-scheme group.
       * Let people pick what events they are interested in and add them to their 'list'.
       * Let people invite their friends to use this service too and they can link up their profiles as "friends" in the system. (awesome, we're viral!)

...

At this point in the bullet-list, OP, someone needs to state the obvious (either you or your co-founder) and suddenly say, "Well, can't they just use email to invite friends to events?" ... then the both of you can avoid going down this path and focus on problems that people actually have and are willing to pay you to solve.

Ah, and I just have to mention that no one really cares that much about calendars either. It is exceptionally rare that people use them outside of work. And really, if you are employed at a major corp, you can't very likely import your schedule for your wild week at Sturgis into your work calendar. Some people frown on knowing the tacky aspects of your life outside of work.

<comment><USER4> """I am not convinced that very many people care about discovering new events in the first place, at least not events that don't have an immediate impact on one's social status."""

My definition of an event is: A social gathering of my friends, or friends of friends. I don't care about random trivia nights, but I might check them out if my immediate friends are going to them.

I believe that an "event community" is a misguided notion. Going to the same event as a perfect stranger is not a strong enough context for socialization.

<comment><USER5> * Going to the same event as a perfect stranger is not a strong enough context for socialization*

People who have just moved to a new place do a lot of that, soon they get a new peer group. Finding the right events is easier than it once was with online tools, but still not trivial.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> I think this could be turned into a startup. thoughts?

<comment><USER6> I think it's definitely a good idea...the hurdle you would face is getting the data. Maybe the existing event sites thought of spidering data but were unsuccessful. How would you do it differently?

<comment><USER7> The event-scraping problem has motivated a year of technology development on my part. Parsley, Parselets, date_range, csvget, SelectorGadget, and a bunch of unreleased niftiness.

I've mostly moved on from the problem, but would be happy to talk to anyone who's interested, share my experience, etc.

<comment><AUTHOR> I'd definitely like to hear more about your experiences. I couldn't find your email address in your profile, mine is jtoy at jtoy dot net

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8>
      "I think a spider should be employed that searches
      the web for events and adds them into the database."

Everything but _this_ has been done "well".

If you can do this you can make money, but I don't think it's so trivial...

<comment><USER9> Yes, Yes, Yes

Organizing time-based items is much less trivial than people imagine...

And there is less immediate bang for succeeding than other search spaces. And determining if, say, recurring event is still recurring two months after it is first posted is tricky.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Have you see <http://www.thesponty.com> ? (disclaimer: I'm co-founder)

It's has elements of Twitter, but is built specifically for casual social events. Sponty gives users a way to broadcast their social intentions, like "Lunch in Harvard Square", where all their friends are implicitly invited.

In addition, Sponty tries to answer two questions: 1\. What are my friends doing today? obviously this doesn't work right away ... you need to have some friends on it first.

2\. What are other's doing in Boston/network today? We show you all the public events people have posted in a given network: <http://www.thesponty.com/whatsup/#/today/Boston>

We're trying to crowd source the answer to this question, because crawling is too hard and too inaccurate. Also, most of the really interesting stuff cannot be crawled.

One more: We categorize events by icons. For example, here are beer related events in Boston today: <http://www.thesponty.com/whatsup/#/today/Boston/beer>

or music: <http://www.thesponty.com/whatsup/#/today/Boston/music>

<comment><USER10> Nice. Any chance for an API?

<comment><USER4> We have a json API that we're using to implement an iPhone version. Open up Charles (an HTTP proxy/monitor) when using Sponty, the web interface almost directly uses the API as well.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> I have this problem too, I want to find tech events, and when I ask for them people always point me to meetup.com, which I often have to leave disappointed. I just feel like I cannot trust that it really has the events I might be interested in, often I am able to find more by googling and asking around.

For example I trust Orbitz/Kayak to find nearly any flight I might care about (as long as it is not in SE asia), but there is no such site where I could search for events and not feel like I might be missing out on something.

I was thinking of this could be built, but figured I must be in some sort of minority. I assume not many people are willing to travel long distances just to attend tech events, and if they are local events, maybe you know about them already.

</comment><comment><USER7> I wonder if making a good events site is equivalent to being able to create a personalized filter for large, noisy streams of information (Not just events.. I'm looking at you, Twitter).

I can't be bothered to sift through the damn noise on upcoming, etc.

<comment><USER9> Good point.

This filter _might_ be a search engine but I actually have other ideas on this front...

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> Songkick.com is an events site, for live music events around the world, and they're awesome. They've even got a plugin for iTunes to recommend you gigs based on what you listen to.

(I no longer work there, but their product looks better than ever.)

<comment><USER13> yet its data frequently seems to be wrong, for anyone looking at a particular city who knows the venues.

So if they can't get it right, for a limited scope of live music events, it is clearly as tough to get right as others say it is.

</comment></comment><comment> matthew-wegner I have an iPhone. It knows where I am. I would definitely swing by random bar meet-ups if my iPhone told me there was one that matched my interests going down _right now_ , four miles away.

Also, when I run my own event--via evite or whatever--for god's sake, I want to be able to mass-SMS my attendee list with a single click. It's impossible to broadcast last minute changes except via text message or phone call.

<comment><USER14> I'm surprised that upcoming et al haven't done this yet. I might expect this from Yelp, but they released an iphone application and it didn't even include their events section.

</comment></comment><comment><USER15> Just thinking the other day how there are too many event sites, which implies they all suck b/c none have really nailed the feature.

Upcoming sux as well, not to mention it constantly defaults to the wrong location even tho my yahoo profile spells it out.

Another thing: too much about "bands playing" which drowns out all event lists, put bands in a folder, offer other categories ...

</comment><comment><USER16> Have you had a look at <http://calagator.org/>

It's mostly focused on Portland tech events at this time, and I don't know how well it would scale up, it's also not a business, it's provided as a service to the community which means it's not operating under the same constraints you would face as a startup.

</comment><comment><USER17> "To solve the problem of inaccurate data, I think a spider should be employed that searches the web for events and adds them into the database."

Could a microformat handle the job of tagging an event and let google do the walking? Maybe you could build a startup to organize a portal after that, but can you really crawl better than the big crawlers?

</comment><comment><USER18> BuzzInTown.com is an example of digital traction in a highly analog ecosys/geo. In combo w/ say CitySense (iPhone & B'berry app) that implicitly offers interest-based segmentation along spatio-temporal lines and an intelligent calendar app like LuckyCal, we may be on our way to an elegant, albeit cobbled-together solution.

</comment><comment><USER19> We are working on this problem! Coming soon :)

<http://activity.fm>

<comment><USER20> Sorry. Not finding it inviting to see on your home page only a logo and "Sign up for the launch to be aware!"

You expect me to provide _any_ sort of email - with no statement of company mission, target audience, benefits claimed?

Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect any email addresses.

<comment><USER19> Thanks for your comment! We haven't expected that visitors may feel in the way which you pointed out. We will fix the misunderstandings and get the beta as soon as possible.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> On a somewhat related note, if you make a website for a specific event on the top of the first page, clearly visible, you should have:

* The date and time of the event

* The event location

* Price

* Any other relevant information (dress-code, what to bring, etc) or at least a prominent link to said information

<comment><USER22> I totally agree that a lot of sites fail to get the most important info front- and-center.

I recently started building <http://minivite.com> to address that problem.

</comment></comment><comment><USER23> Why would I need a dedicated event site to find where Rubyconf is this year when I know, to a moral certainty, that Googling [rubyconf] will give me that answer on the first result?

</comment><comment><USER9> _Meetup.com has lots events that I'm interested in, but they only store their own meetups and not all events._

Uh, that doesn't qualify as "sucking"!

</comment><comment><USER24> If I know the name of an event I'm looking for, I just Google it. They have a "spider."

</comment><comment><USER25> has there been any talk of (or is there) an open, xml-based event markup structure? It seems like if there was a widely adoped standard tagging for event data implemented, all kinds of great things could happen in this space.

<comment><USER7> hCal+hCard Upcoming implements it.</comment></comment>


Unthink Will Not Unseat Facebook - <AUTHOR> http://www.adrants.com/2011/10/unthink-will-not-unseat-facebook.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+adrants+%28Adrants%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

<comment><USER2> It's actually kind of funny... I had a Klout score of 1 for the longest time, and now suddenly it's 21 despite never doing anything.</comment>


A collection of NASA sounds from historic spaceflights and current missions - <AUTHOR> http://www.nasa.gov/connect/sounds/index.html#.VEjv5fmsV8E <comment><USER2> My favorite NASA sound story is while still on planet earth. I can't find the article right now, but space shuttle launches were so loud that they produced some sort of buffering in the atmosphere. So what sounds like bad audio quality on recording, what actually how it sounds in person because of the intensity of the sound.

</comment><comment><USER3> So, what's the license for these? [http://www.nasa.gov/connect/artspace/participate/royalty_fre...](http://www.nasa.gov/connect/artspace/participate/royalty_free_resources.html) seems to indicate "royalty free". What does that mean in the context?

<comment><USER4> As a taxpaying american, I'm going to go with WTFPL?

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> You can find them on SoundCloud at soundcloud.com/nasa - nice white noise. Also mix with Sunshine OST: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em7mzT48J4k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em7mzT48J4k)

</comment><comment><USER6> In related news: NASA has a Soundcloud channel - [https://soundcloud.com/nasa](https://soundcloud.com/nasa)

</comment><comment><USER7> Check out this article from Universe Today - [http://www.universetoday.com/102234/put-the-aurora- borealis-...](http://www.universetoday.com/102234/put-the-aurora-borealis-in- your-ear/)

Looks like a VLF receiver could give one a new way to sense natural phenomena like lightning and apparently even some mundane objects.

</comment><comment><USER8> I just want to vent here as this article is about NASA. I have basic Time Warner Cable, the kind with basic local channels plus HGTV, Discovery etc. Got it while back for world cup.

I noticed NASA channel is not included in my package.

WTH? Isn't NASA funded by tax I paid? Why should I pay extra to see videos of NASA on TW cable? What am I missing?

</comment><comment><USER9> Love these sounds. Discovered them recently and made a little 'outer space' beat with an app I am making.

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of9daMfQjpA](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of9daMfQjpA)

Anybody who's seen other musical compositions using Nasa sounds? If so, do post it here!

<comment><USER10> SomaFM does something similar with their "Mission Control" channel, where they mix ambient electronic music with NASA (and other space related) recordings. I listen to it quite often in the office, nice and relaxing.

[http://somafm.com/missioncontrol/](http://somafm.com/missioncontrol/)

</comment></comment><comment><USER11> I've always loved the audio from ESA's Huygens probe descending onto Titan:

[http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Cassini- Huyg...](http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Cassini- Huygens/Sounds_of_an_alien_world)

</comment><comment><USER12> [http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/history/pastprojects/SR71...](http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/history/pastprojects/SR71/SRBooms/)

The JPEGs are actually .mov sound files.

</comment><comment><USER13> I'm guessing SomaFM makes use of these sounds on this channel: [http://somafm.com/missioncontrol/](http://somafm.com/missioncontrol/)

</comment><comment><USER14> If you like these, check out the 'SOMA' internet radio stations - available in iTunes under 'ambient'.

</comment><comment><USER15> archive.org appears to have these as well as the transcripts: [https://archive.org/details/NasaAudioHighlightReels](https://archive.org/details/NasaAudioHighlightReels)

</comment><comment><USER16> These are awesome. The Cassini Saturn radio emissions are pretty freaky!

</comment><comment><USER17> that shuttle landing gear drop is nasty!</comment>


Confidence Is a Bitch - <AUTHOR> http://blog.tugulab.org/2013/04/05/confidence-is-a-bitch/

<comment><USER2> A great post from my co-founder Claudio. How are you doing with your confidence?</comment>


How to undelete any open file on Linux - <AUTHOR> http://finalcog.com/undelete-open-file-from-inode

<comment><USER2> If there would be a way to create a hardlink to that inode you could really recover the file (lsof will show you the inode number).

Is there some arcane unix command that allows you to do that ?

If the file is large enough there may not be enough space to do a copy, so that's why it would be nicer to actually restore that inode...

jam@jam:~$ touch z

jam@jam:~$ tail -f z

^Z

[1]+ Stopped

jam@jam:~$ rm z

jam@jam:~$ lsof | grep /home/jam/z

tail 19192 jam 3r REG 8,17 0 821339 /home/jam/z (deleted)

jam@jam:~$

The 821339 is the inode.

<comment><USER3> Could you not just hardlink to the /proc/<xxx>/fd/<y> file descriptor? I haven't tried this, but considering you can `cp` from the open descriptor to a new file, I should also think you could make a new hardlink to that same descriptor.

<comment><USER4> /proc is its own filesystem so its 'inodes' are incompatible with whatever FS your disk is on.

<comment><USER3> Good catch. My hardcore Unix-fu is still lacking in places... =\

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> I've often wondered if there's a user-visible way of doing that. (the file only disappears after the refcount hits 0 after all) Great find!

</comment><comment><USER6> this works on pretty much all unixes and recently saved my team's ass after a 3am finger fumble that unlinked a very important 500g file.

<comment><USER7> Last time I used them, none of the following Unixes had a /proc filesystem: FreeBSD, NetBSD, IRIX, AIX, Ultrix, SunOS 4, MacOS X, NeXTStep. The only Unixes I do know of that have it are Solaris (SunOS 5), Linux, and Plan 9, which isn't really Unix.

<comment><USER8> FreeBSD has a procfs, but it isn't mounted by default -- mostly due to its unofficial name (rootmefs).

<comment><USER7> Thanks! I didn't know.

<comment><USER8> Actually, I should elaborate slightly -- FreeBSD actually has two procfses, the real one (procfs) and the one which is used for linux binary compatibility (linprocfs). But neither of them is mounted by default.

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Technical Writing Course by Google - <AUTHOR> https://developers.google.com/tech-writing <comment><USER2> Love that Google is doing this. I am an engineer and an aspiring blogger. Looking forward to taking this course.</comment>


100 years of global aging, in one GIF - <AUTHOR> http://www.vox.com/2016/5/20/11715620/global-aging <comment><AUTHOR> > ...better integration of women into the workplace should raise a country's > birthrate.

Why is this? It seems a bit counterintuitive to me.</comment>


How the feds predict the future (Using big data) - <AUTHOR> http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/director-of-national-intelligence%2C-big-data/511173ddfe344437550000cb

<comment><USER2> Should I be creeped out by this? (hope not...)</comment>