Unable to find like-minded individuals in rural area.   - <AUTHOR>

Good Morning HN,
This is my first HN submission and instead of submitting a Tech Crunch article, I am submitting a very perplexing question in which I seek a solution.
You see, I live in rural Eastern Canada (New Brunswick) in a town that has the population of ~6k people and I experience the difficulty of finding like-minded individuals to collaborate with on my projects and ideas. I know there are people in my area who have some similar interests as me (same as all of you, which I assume, is technology and entrepreneurship) but as there are no organisations to join where I could ultimately network with these individuals I seek, I cannot find them anywhere. You would think the internet would make this problem much easier to solve, it has not.
I have come up with some a tentative solution and a non-solution to my problem; I will start with the solution:
I have been thinking about organizing a start up weekend in my area. In the surrounding area there is a large satellite internet service provider and the data center for the worlds largest frozen foods manufacturer. Combine these two entities and I think I might be able to draw out enough people to cover the expenses of the event. However, in the event that I DO organize the event and not enough people show up, I would be left with covering the expenses of the event and that is something I cannot afford. (perhaps we could think of solutions to this problem?) I could perhaps sell tickets in which people must pay for the event in advance, but I don't think that would work..I could be wrong?
Non-solution:
Move. Simply put, even though it`s not as fast paced as Silicon Valley or any City for that matter, I love it here. I love being able to swim in nearby bodies of water without risk of..pollution, sickness and disease. I love the wilderness and the shooting at animals in the aforementioned wilderness. Moving is just something I don't want to do at this point and I will only endure this option when all else fails - I know I could move back, but I want to make a run at a start up in my area first.
So how do people in similar situations as me find other people to collaborate with on projects? I have many ideas, some larger than others, but they all don't seem as fun without having someone else to work on them with. Not to mention, they also seem like an insurmountable task to tackle on my lonesome. <comment><USER2> I think that you don't realize how easy it is to move and how easy it is to still enjoy the benefits you describe by coming back for visits. A 6K population gives you absolutely no help with advancing anything significant in your life. It may be heaven on earth, but unless you're already established and can work on the net exclusively, this will be the biggest constraint on you. It will very likely mean that for your entire life you'll compromise on doing something you can rather something you love.

My advice: move. Get out of this place as soon as humanly possible, and promise yourself that once you've established a good way to do something you love, you'll come back for visits as often as possible, maybe even once a week or for long stretches of time every now and then. If you become wealthy enough, you may even be able to have a second home there.

<comment><AUTHOR> Though you say it's easy enough to pack up and move, there are numerous issues that come to mind. First, being in University for a few years and then living on the opposite side of North America for the purpose of playing rugby has not give me enough time to pad my resume - I know I can pretty much do anything I want, but I would have a difficult time actually proving that to someone with concrete evidence to back it up.

Faced with the problem of finding a job with my weak resume, so that I can support myself in a new area on my own, leads me to believe it is much easier said than done.

However, you may be right in saying that by staying here I am limiting myself to something I CAN do opposed to what I want to do. But what I am asking, or even suggesting, is it not possible to stay here AND do what I want? There happens to be tons of industry in the area as far as farming, forestry and trucking go, there is just no apparent 'tech-sector' in my area. It's not that I am entirely opposed to moving, it's just that it would take one awesome opportunity to force me to move, something I couldn't turn down. [offers accepted.]

So to better revise my question; I am more or less asking how I can find people like me who already exist in my area, without relocating.

<comment><USER3> I have helped run a linux users group for years, and been involved in other various groups. Here's the sort of approach I would take:

First, start with a regular, weekly or monthly meeting. You can call it a technologists group or linux group or whatever, but given the size of your community you don't want to limit it to a single topic. I advise calling it a "Futurist Society" or "Optimist Club" or something along those lines.

Remember that the kind of people you want are less likely to think in terms of the words "startup" or "entrepreneur" or "hacker" or such in a rural area. They will describe themselves as "inventors" or "tinkerers" or say "try lots of small business schemes" or not recognize themselves as a group deserving a special label at all.

The meeting has to be scheduled and held at the same place very regularly, and that place has to be free. At first people will come infrequently and on the spur of the moment, and people will not join a mailing list to get announcements on the next meeting, so it has to be something like "Thursdays 7pm back room at Joe's". If appropriate, you can use your own house for a while, but that will eventually get old.

It's good to have pre-scheduled presentations and topics, but you don't have to, and you should allow walk-in topics of any sort.

Start by giving tutorials on things you know, such as installing linux or programming or whatever it is.

Solicit short show-and-tell presentations from whomever you can. One idea I would like to try, but I would need to write some scripts to dig the patent database and find them, is to find people in your area who have been awarded any sort of patent, and call them up and ask them to give a talk on the device, or the process of getting a patent.

Another good idea is to find someone who has had something manufactured via e-machineshop.com or mfgquote.com or something similar, and ask them to talk about the experience.

Keep a web page or blog and update it with a few notes about each meeting.

Once this has gone on for a while, and you have developed enough connections with good people locally, try having a barcamp style event on a particular technology or just starting businesses in general.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> > instead of submitting a Tech Crunch article

classy, it is appreciated!

I lived in rural Canada as well (st. Josephs Island, Ontario), and I found some overlap between the people that go to lan parties and those that hack - either for a hobby or for a living.

Another trick was to take out ads in the local rural papers (usually very cheap) to see if anybody was interested.

Even if you only find one person like that he or she will probably be able to point out a few more.

Once you have a little network going you can do the event and split the take together, I think that even if it is just a BBQ it will eventually draw a crowd of like minded individuals but I doubt that you will make that work on the first round, so start small when you have found a couple of buddies and make sure they understand they can bring anybody along that does something interesting.

</comment><comment><USER5> What about starting smaller? Arrange an informal meetup in a bar or a cafe or something? At least that gives you an opportunity to gauge interest without needing any particular financial outlay. If there is sufficient interest in that event, perhaps you can then proceed to something requiring a larger investment of time and money.

Also, having made some contacts through an informal gathering, you might meet people willing to help organise a larger event, and people willing to help you attract sponsorship for such an event.

<comment><AUTHOR> This is a definite solution, something I might even try to organize in the short term. In fact, I should have mention but I have a very nice 'in' with the Editor of the local newspaper which gives me ample opportunity to get exposed of little, to no cost. Maybe I will organize a meeting at the pub, or local cafe and gauge interest level based on that?

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> Hey Matt,

As someone who has lived in NB (Fredericton) for most of my life, I feel I can relate to your problem. Even though F'ton is a university town, and known as one of the more tech-centered places in NB, it is still seriously tough to find like minded individuals.

Consider that similar interests are just the first step in a successful collaboration. Finding someone you work well with, who also likes using the same technology, is difficult enough as is, especially in a small town.

I think it's a great idea to have a startup weekend. You probably don't need funding for an event; a meetup at an apartment or even a library meeting room would be cheap enough. Sites like <http://meetup.com/> can make the planning easier. A good place to look would be your local universities and colleges.

That being said, I scratched my itch by moving to Vancouver. I couldn't be happier. There is much of the wilderness here that you enjoy, and it's not uncommon to walk past a bar while overhearing whispers of yet another start up idea.

Good luck!

<comment><AUTHOR> Hey,

I am just 50 minutes up the river in Woodstock, I also attended UNBF and I am very familiar with Fredericton. You make a valid point in that finding a like minded individual is only one step, finding one you can collaborate with is the obvious next step.

I have never spent much time in Vancouver, but I did live in the Victoria area while I was playing rugby and I did notice a vast technology sector without even looking for it. Props for scratching your itch, but I don't know if I am ready for that just yet.

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> Your question brought to mind Hemingway's Nobel acceptance speech:

 _Writing, at its best, is a lonely life. Organizations for writers palliate the writer's loneliness but I doubt if they improve his writing. He grows in public stature as he sheds his loneliness and often his work deteriorates. For he does his work alone and if he is a good enough writer he must face eternity, or the lack of it, each day.

For a true writer each book should be a new beginning where he tries again for something that is beyond attainment. He should always try for something that has never been done or that others have tried and failed. Then sometimes, with great luck, he will succeed.

How simple the writing of literature would be if it were only necessary to write in another way what has been well written. It is because we have had such great writers in the past that a writer is driven far out past where he can go, out to where no one can help him._

</comment><comment><USER8> We're based in a very rural environment, with very limited opportunities to network. We have amazing mountains, stunning beaches, lots of sheep and hardly anyone who has the slightest idea what we're talking about when we discuss our project.

Yes, it is possible to meet people and work online, using all kinds of great web tools, but in the end, I still think sitting in the same space as your colleagues is the best way to go. It's how we naturally communicate, and it's still yet to be bettered.

Also, you'll find that if you get a project off the ground, and need to raise VC capital or other funds of any amount, if your address is Nowhere, Nowheresville, you really won't have much chance of anyone taking you seriously.

My advice = move, build your project in the right environment, then head back to the hills to enjoy the scenery.

<comment><USER9> New Zealand, is it?

<comment><USER8> Wales, UK... close but no banana

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> Propel ICT looks like a good way to get in touch with other entrepreneurs in New Brunswick. <http://propelict.com/>

Dan Martell, an angel investor out here in the Valley, also is from New Brunswick and he's a phenomenal resource too.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thank you for taking the time to put some actual recon into your answer. I have been in contact with Dan before, he seems like a great guy. At the same time, he seems to have a lot on the go, rural New Brunswick development probably isn't high on his list.

As for propelict, they mostly concentrate on the 3 city areas of Moncton, Saint John and Fredericton. Again, not much going on in rural NB with them - perhaps I could leverage them, maybe they have some ideas for me.

Regardless, +1 for the info.

</comment></comment><comment><USER11> If you're set on local collaborators I guess that's as good an idea as any.

But let me make one suggestion which is to not be so fixated on your area. Yes, it's great to have local collaborators but it's hardly necessary. There are plenty of tools that allow collaborators to work together no matter where they are.

The most famous example I can think of is David Heinemeier Hansson. He worked as a partner in Chicago based 37Signals even though he lived in Denmark up until a few years ago.

The truth is, whether someone's in another part of your rural community or in Denmark the collaboration itself shouldn't be that different (using tools like Skype, IM and even 37Signals' set of collaborative tools)

<comment><USER4> The fact is though, even YC insists on its applicants to move to where ever YC is located.

There is a big advantage in working together when you are face to face. A purely virtual idea you might get off the ground when you are spread out, but even then the feeling of 'working together' when you really are together is a different one.

Maybe it's just because I'm old or maybe it is because my experiences with collaborating remotely are a mixed bag (currently working with people in Panama).

It should not theoretically be necessary but I do find there is a huge difference in practice.

<comment><USER11> YC requires that because they have a whole program that is designed around educating entrepreneurs. They all have to be in that location so they can meet the local VC community, attend the get togethers, etc... I don't think everyone being together has all that much to do with it (though I obviously could be wrong)

The bottom line is there's nothing you can do in person that you can't do with a Skype connection and a whiteboard program. Moreover as someone whose both worked with local programmers and worked with long distance ones I didn't find much of a difference. I'd almost always IM anyway regardless of whether the person was up the hall or in Prague

<comment><USER4> I find it depends very much on the people. With some people it works great, with others it really doesn't work.

And for plenty of situations there is a middle ground somewhere where you work 'apart' for a while and then meet up for a bit and so on on some periodic schedule.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> Hey Matt,

I just lived in a rural and isolated (2 hrs of a horrible mountainous drive to the nearest city) town of 3k, for 2 years. We just moved to the outskirts of a city of 3.5 million about 2 weeks ago, due to a distant family member becoming ill.

I was lucky enough to have found a programmer friend in the town of 3k, and we were able to go out for beers and rant and rant and rant about the industry, technology, etc. I think that was the only thing that saved me from going crazy. Other than that... I'm not sure if your attempts to find like minded locals will be too successful. You may find some friends, but they may not adhere to your moral objectives or, know the rootin' tootinest thing about technology.

All in all, we're loving being outside of a major city. We can go hiking, camping, hunting, etc... and it's just a matter of minutes away. We can also drive 10 minutes into the heart of the city, and get any type of foreign food in the world. That was actually the crux for us. Also, if you have kids, that's a completely different factor as well, and was a big one for us. We didn't want to shelter them too much to the "outside world", but didn't want them to get sucked up into it either.

It's the small things in life that make life wonderful, no matter where you live.

Hope you find what you're looking for!

</comment><comment><USER13> This is the reason urban areas were invented.

</comment><comment><USER14> I will have to agree with the others here who say: _move_!

Personally I moved from a 'small city' (Kitchener-Waterloo, something like 200k in the vicinity) to Toronto and immediately noticed the difference in the tech community... and by that I mean, I realized that, despite it's apparent reputation, there wasn't one in KW.

</comment><comment><USER15> Non-solution: try to scrounge up a critical mass of hackers, developers, VCs etc. in a town of 6,000.

Solution: move to a city.

</comment><comment> onreact-com Why don't you start small?

Seek out chess partners or whatever nerdy hobbies you prefer, offer "free entrepreur advice", make a weekly "technology meeting" and see what people show up etc. etc. etc.

You don't have to risk high expenses or consider moving already.</comment>


Driverless tractors are here - <AUTHOR> https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/08/31/bear-flag-robotics-self-driving-tractor-true-ventures.html?__twitter_impression=true <comment><USER2> Awesome news. Hope they are not regulated into oblivion.</comment>


Announcing the Ars/Wired/Reddit/Sprint Android App contest - <AUTHOR> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/09/announcing-the-arswiredredditsprint-android-app-contest.ars

<comment><USER2> ah, only for US residents :-(

<comment><USER3> Well, the contest is being sponsored by a US only telecom just to promote their 4G network. Kinda makes sense.</comment></comment>


Van Gogh's Paintings Get Tilt-Shifted - <AUTHOR> http://www.artcyclopedia.com/hot/tilt-shift-van-gogh.htm

<comment><USER2> It definitely adds aesthetic value, but my untrained eye can definitely detect that something's not quite right with the world depicted there.</comment>


Libp2p – p2p network stack - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/ipfs/go-libp2p <comment><USER2> Thanks for the interest everyone! We think libp2p is one of the most exciting and useful parts of the IPFS project. We've refactored it out of IPFS for the benefit of the general p2p / networking community.

We're working on cleaning up interfaces, getting to a good level of completeness and interop between go and js, and then messaging/explanations. Stay tuned for proper a launch later on. But note both go-libp2p and js-libp2p are usable and in use now. :)

\- Go: [https://github.com/ipfs/go-libp2p](https://github.com/ipfs/go-libp2p)

\- js: [https://github.com/diasdavid/js- libp2p](https://github.com/diasdavid/js-libp2p)

\- specs: [https://github.com/ipfs/specs/tree/master/libp2p](https://github.com/ipfs/specs/tree/master/libp2p)

brb, 8hr flight.

<comment><USER3> This is great, looking forward to a comparison between this and [https://github.com/tendermint/go-p2p](https://github.com/tendermint/go-p2p), maybe we'll manage to merge them or choose one or the other.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Probably worth mentioning in the title that this is part of the IPFS project, not just another library.

</comment><comment><USER5> The fact that libp2p is so compatible with current transport protocols gives me lots of hope for ipfs one day replacing http.

</comment><comment><USER6> Does this include any latency or hop estimation schemes? For a truly performant p2p networks involving a central signalling server, it is important to reduce latency where possible with p2p latency estimation schemes involving BGP and cached internet routing graphs.

This would help provide developers with an alternative to blindly matching peers, which will usually result in worse than possible latency if multiple peers have the content being requested.

Currently you can get an approximation of this feature by building on top of MaxMind's GeoIP database, but it's non-free and possibly not as precise for this purpose as other methods[1][2], although it is much easier to use.

[1]: [http://nowak.ece.wisc.edu/infocom09.pdf](http://nowak.ece.wisc.edu/infocom09.pdf)

[2]: [https://www.cs.montana.edu/~utkarsh.goel/docs/MickaPcpICCCN1...](https://www.cs.montana.edu/~utkarsh.goel/docs/MickaPcpICCCN15.pdf)

<comment><USER2> BTW, we have MaxMind's GeoIP Lite database (we asked first) stored directly on IPFS, indexed with a b-tree. see [https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs- geoip](https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs-geoip) :) -- it's what powers our webui globe.</comment></comment>


Grubwithus buys The Social Feed, expands dining network to Canada - <AUTHOR> http://gigaom.com/2012/07/24/grubwithus-buys-the-social-feed-expands-dining-network-to-canada/

<comment><USER2> That's cool. I am curious to see what Grubwithus is going long-term. Right now it's dining with strangers, but maybe in a few years it could be like flash- mob; hangout with strangers!</comment>


7-Minutes Workout App - <AUTHOR> http://www.tapelicious.com Complete 12 daily fitness exercises in just 7 minutes and feel fit as a fiddle! <comment><USER2> The copy needs some work, " But yet you come here quite a sweat", "performed in interval - between with just ten seconds of rest.", and more.

Looks like an ok app though, I like how clean it looks

<comment><USER2> Oh, and you may want to put that common disclaimer of "consult a physician before beginning any training regimen", just so you're safe.

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> Nice looking app - - for non-iphone people,[http://www.7-min.com](http://www.7-min.com) is a great timer also.

</comment><comment><USER4> Looks really good. Let me be the first here to request an Android version!</comment>


Virtual Kubernetes - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/ibuildthecloud/k3v <comment><USER3> For anyone looking for K8S multitenancy - here is an excellent talk by Alibaba / Alicloud about their approach:

\- [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptOLV2wjQUw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptOLV2wjQUw)

\- [https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/kccnceu19/3f/kubecon-s...](https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/kccnceu19/3f/kubecon- speak.pdf)

<comment><USER4> I've just quit my job at Stripe and founded a startup to tackle K8S hard multi-tenancy, particularly for companies who want to "build a cloud" for their customers but aren't sure where to start. If anyone is interested please feel free to drop me an email! [https://kubesail.com](https://kubesail.com)

<comment><USER5> Your service is exactly what I wanted for a pretty long time for an accessible price.

Are you going to offer bigger package too? The hobby one is most probably more than enough for me for a long time but I may need more later on.

The templates are nice at first too but they are hard to get to afterward (I found it back when clicking on my user image).

EDIT: I also love that you include the kubectl commands on each page, for a newbie that's amazing!

<comment><USER4> Heya! Yes, bigger and more flexible plans coming soon! Templates are a brand new feature and we're working hard to enable Helm template support there - <USER2> eventually the "template search" will make its way to the main deployments page (and will get a looooot more templates!)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> It's also worth looking at the work of Pau and Angel from k8spin - [https://k8spin.cloud](https://k8spin.cloud)

They are trying to build something like OpenShift, but self-service and for vanilla Kubernetes.

<comment><USER6> Thanks Alex! Pau here, please do not hesitate to contact us if you are interested in our platform.

Our mission is to allow users to benefit of kubernetes whithin seconds. We take care of ingress, SSL certificates, backups... so you can focus on what really matters.

We are going to bill by resources/minutes wich is really interesting for CI/CD where you need a real cluster intead of KinD.

We are going live in a few days, join our slack or email me for feedback :)

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> What's the story of multitenancy in Kubernetes? Is it true that it does not provide sufficient isolation between services by default? Is this something that could be handled by configuration only or is it a bigger issue with Kubernetes design?

What's the best way to make Kubernetes the layer that isolates tenants in a multitenant platform?

<comment><USER8> As some of the other comments have mentioned, kubernetes is "multitenant capable", but the questions come down to:

1\. Do you understand all the primitives and how they interact

2\. Do your use cases require some or all of these primitives be bypassed (host network, root containers, custom extensions / operators), which may invalidate most security

3\. Are the human costs to manage 1 and 2 less than the human/infra costs to manage multiple clusters?

Many applications have a few assumptions that violate "safety on a single machine" - databases use raw block devices, processes run as root by default. The harder it becomes to isolate an app on a single machine, the harder it is to isolate that workload on a cluster.

In addition, the moment you install something above kube (helm, ingress controllers, operators that can read or write secrets across namespaces) you start to blur the security boundaries at a cluster level and thus make it harder to reason about who can do what. It's a lot like the Linux kernel / userspace separation - everything secure is in the kernel, but if a driver or subsystem has a vulnerability that tends to compromise the whole kernel.

I would suggest most people run multiple clusters until you get to the point where you have cluster sprawl (and are paying for a ton of redundant / idle infra), and then start either with an opinionated distro designed for picking all the defaults for you (OpenShift, a few of the other vendors) or hire someone who can design a top to bottom policy (and even then you'll want multiple clusters for failure isolation).

<comment><USER6> I mostly agree with you that using current tooling seems like patching holes constantly but it's getting much better with sandboxing and automation is key and of course, it's not for everyone but can provide lots of benefits with "low" effort.

There is a Kubernetes Working Group where the definition and implementation of soft multi-tenancy and any feedback is welcome.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> It'd be an adventure debugging that...

<comment><USER10> what are some common k8s debugging rabbit holes that people have to go down on the day to day?

<comment><USER9> I'm not a K8s wizard, but have a little experience with it. I found there to be a steep learning curve with simultaneously learning RBAC, side cards, Helm, YAML templating, storage, logging, operators, service discovery, etc. There's so much hype around Kubernetes that it can be hard to sift through the noise to figure out what you really need to know. I found many people wanted to sell you on how "how all you have to do is...", but before you even get a basic service deployed, you can easily end up with a complex problem that is unique to your situation. And unique can mean you ain't gonna find an answer to your problem on the Google. That becomes even more of an adventure when you're trying to do something any a little non-standard because K8s doesn't expose an API endpoint to solve a problem you have. Now throw slicing up one cluster into N virtual clusters and... debugging that sounds like an adventure.

<comment><USER11> Sorry for hijack,

May I ask about the sources you would propose to go through for someone starting out with Kubernetes ?

I was able to (with examples) create a simple K8s cluster with dashboard and Im learning now about external dns. What else would be good to get to after ?

<comment><USER9> I mostly learned from the K8s docs and brute force trial & error.

My first recommendation would be to learn Kubernetes on the platform to which you'll be deploying, if that is possible & practical. For example, you can create a lot of work for yourself trying to debug the differences between Docker, Minikube, and Google Kubernetes Engine. Every provider supports Kubernetes in a slightly different way (in my experience).

My 2nd recommendation would be to put in as much time as you can learning to read logs/errors/messages. You'll learn a lot about your cluster(s) and how it is laid out by tracking down the errors the system is generating. They aren't always going to be where you expect them to be.

My last recommendation would be to not allow yourself to become intimidated by people who sound like they know more than yourself. The K8s hype machine is in full growth mode, and while K8s is very cool in many ways, there's a pretty darn good chance that someone who insists "all you gotta do is..." doesn't actually know what they are talking about and/or how what they understand maps to the nuances of your particular challenge.

Be prepared to grind on hard problems. Clusters of containers are still very much in like sailing to The New World. Few know it all that well, and those who do probably don't work with you :)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> See also: SAP's Gardener. Their website reminds me of a spam landing page more than a valuable, robust project, so I'll link an official Kubernetes blog post about it: [https://kubernetes.io/blog/2018/05/17/gardener/](https://kubernetes.io/blog/2018/05/17/gardener/)

EDIT: per the replies, it does look like a fairly different focus, my apologies, just got excited when I saw the virtualized control plane. (To save you reading the blog, Gardener launches a control plane in an existing cluster to manage workloads on a _different_ , dedicated set of worker nodes.) It will be fun to think about k3v and multi-tenancy.

<comment><USER13> Gardener project focus is orchestration of multiple Kubernetes clusters on IaaS cloud providers, whereas k3v focus on running a dedicated control plane over an existing Kubernetes cluster. Some overlaps but different project's goals.

<comment><USER14> Yeah, Gardener looks like it's meant to address one tenant on multiple k8s clusters, and k3v looks like it's meant to address multitenancy in a single k8s cluster.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> > This allows one to take one physical Kubernetes cluster and chop it up into > smaller virtual clusters.

What is the benefit, or difference of this over namespaces in Kubernetes? Namespaces provide resource quotas, and they work with RBAC too, the benefits listed in the README and their descriptions, they sound exactly what namespaces already provide.

<comment><USER13> Currently if you have only access to a namepsace on a shared Kubernetes cluster without cluster wide admin control you won't be able to:

\- Create cluster wide RBAC ClusterRole or ClusterRoleBinding

\- Create or get access to cluster-scoped resources (nodes, CRD)

\- Use custom webhooks for example using sidecar injection

Many of the things that complex Kubernetes deployments are doing nowadays.

<comment><AUTHOR> The point is that it's unsafe to allow tenants ClusterRole / admin on a shared cluster, but this is needed for many CRDs and Operators.

The Operator pattern is getting more and more popular, and most of then need ClusterRole.

As the service provider (internal team, or SaaS provider), this is a liability. The aim, from reading the README.md, is to provide the ability for each tenant to be ClusterRole / admin within their own cluster, hosted in a larger real cluster.

Jessie Frazelle has talked about this before, I'm not sure if this is the exact blog link, but it's related: Kubernetes in Kubernetes - [https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/hard-multi-tenancy-in- kuberne...](https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/hard-multi-tenancy-in-kubernetes/)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> It cwould B useful to run multiple clusters for home/work but using a single cluster.

I would like to be able to let my clients start jobs and use their private cluster and append their machines to it, running in my cluster.

Is there a way to do this with kubernetes currently?

</comment><comment><USER17> Is it fair to call it an k8s API server proxy?

</comment><comment><USER18> Why? Kubernetes is already a virtualization layer on top of a virtualization layer. Do we need more virtualization layers? All it does is add complexity and degrade performance.

</comment><comment><USER19> Why is Rancher allowed to shill their crap?</comment>


Julian Assange warns WikiLeaks will expose Google - <AUTHOR> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3827926/Julian-Assange-warns-WikiLeaks-expose-Google-promised-release-significant-disclosures-company.html <comment><USER2> So, after announcing that he would leak important information at a press conference he then only announced again that he would do so.

And now -- finally -- he is announcing yet again that... he may announce something in the future, I guess?

<comment><USER3> It feels like he's trying to stay relevant and retain as much public support he can get.

<comment><USER4> So sorry but let me be frank, I am not American citizen, but as far as I can see you guys so isolated in your news media propaganda, you don't see what is going on around you.

The guy (I want to say wiki leaks foundation, but we are know talking about Assange) yesterday released one of the most damaging and wrecking e-mail records in whole history. (As far as I did see in primaries, whole Clinton defense against Sanders was being equally liberal and having more experience, and those emails proved Clinton as always is liar and she is not liberal at all, specially in economical and foreign relations related issues which makes her campaign total fraud from and outsider perspective)

But American politics so bizarre and so ridiculous and people are so brainwashed, can't see the that huge leaks. Instead trying to make fun of someone who isn't been 48h since he published one of the best resource about knowing truth about your liar candidate.

Let be honest, if 10% of that leaks was in Sweden election, I am 100% sure the candidate would dropped out already. Let alone Trump calling some women "grabbing by p*".

Your whole country is fucking disaster. I think military industrial complex have eaten your country. No kidding, I cannot absorb how you guys give fcukig right to yourselves to talk about democracy in other countries.

<comment><USER5> It's a massive country with extreme diversity. There's lots of people who see what is going on like you do, and lots who don't.

Point being, just know that many, many people on the inside aren't "brainwashed" like it may appear. Politics or foreign policy is a poor representation of the country as a whole, in my opinion, simply due to the vastly differing views held by the populace. Whatever party or candidate or policy "wins" in the end definitely doesn't represent the entirety of the country, or even the technical majority on occasion.

"Democracy" is an interesting beast.

<comment><USER4> I completely agree with your comment but not with your last line.

This is not democracy at all, not even remotely , this is complete, perfect example of oligarchy. People live in media isolation, power and money is restricted to only establishment. There is no way for an outsider (I, as Iranian, I literally love Jill Stein) to participate equally in election process without being ignored by mass media. At the other hand ordinary people live in so much pressure they don't tend to educate themselves (AFAIK, and from what I heard from my close friends who are student in USA).

I have bad news, this is same exact system Islamic Republic uses in Iran. We have media. So many. But all of them are fucking crap and trying best to ignore outsiders. There is political debate, but just like USA , it is between two same player every time.

Sometimes I think the designers of Islamic republic looked at united States and design a perfect Islamic model of that system.

<comment><USER6> > At the other hand ordinary people live in so much pressure they don't tend > to educate themselves

This is the core issue, in my opinion. We have made democratic participation a luxury.

<comment><USER4> > This is the core issue, in my opinion. We have made democratic participation > a luxury.

You would fascinated if I tell you this is the main leverage or policy or whatever you call it which Islamic Republic use too.

<comment><USER6> How is this implemented in the Islamic Republic? In the US we use a number of interlocking myths and fears which ultimately amount to a basic misanthropy.

The most pervasive and effective of these is the "people are stupid" myth which is really a genius piece of ideological engineering if you think about it. Flattery, fear-mongering, and static inevitability all contained in one succinct phrase.

<comment><USER4> It is not like that in Islamic republic. In Islamic regime of Iran they completely isolated people from outside world. Don't get me wrong, when I am saying completely it doesn't mean people don't have access to Internet or VPN or satellite. They have! But ironically they educate people in a way which people don't have necessary knowledge to look at what is going on in outside world. Average high school student maybe is better in algebra in compare to USA average high school student. But he or she lives in such isolated world he/she doesn't have clue what he she can do in world. They pump Islamic material from media , textbooks, billboards, etc in such a way people cannot see there could be another life style.

Take for example English. Average English knowledge in common people (even in academia) in Iran basically is zero. New generation tend to be better but far from acceptable. Khamenei is genius (I am exaggerating, he see all intelligences analysis, he should aware of this fact, but you get the point) about 6 month ago started to take opposite position against learning English language in children. Which is quite big deal, it shows how much this is important. Leader of country comes in public and says he is against learning some language.

He literally wants all textbook to translate into Persian , even abbreviations.

You know what? Because he knows if people don't know English he can control them better, because he can control media better. About content quality, I would say ordinary programmer weblog is far better than Iran's 99% news agencies official sites.

In Islamic regime they created kind of cultural isolation. If you smoke chemical drugs , they would be okay with that (of course they would not tell it publicly), _but_ if you throw party with boys and girls , they are going to catch you without any doubt. You know what ? Because it is serious threat to established calture.

They created kind of fear mongering , like look at West these guys all are going to hell. They fuck each other's wife in every occasion. They kind of have built their existence on traditional calture which thinks of your wife, daughter, mom as your object.

They show every body who goes west becomes gay, or his wife betrays him.

You see what I am saying? Maybe for us it is pure nonsense, because our mind does not think of our female relatives as our object. But in traditional society is has been worked.

Secondly, do you know why they catch you if you throw party? (Of course rich people do what ever they want, I am talking about middle class lower class) Because they fear like hell. Because they know (they are professional politicians) they are on losing side.

When average 20 year boy and girl did experience freedom, do you think he or she would give fuck about Allah or Mohammad or Islam ? Of course not. And this is the Achilles heel of islamic regime.

Give me good budget, I would change Iran in just 20 year. Just with pumping free information. Free VPN. Khamenei is genius. He has been talking about cultural war for almost 20 year. He knows USA will never attack (who are we kidding?), He knows they only threat to his regime is cultural collapse.

They are trying best they can.

There is not real university in Iran. There is no professionals in Iran. Yes. You read me right. All elite people tend to escape from Iran (other than minor portion who end up working for regime for huge amount salary in regime infrastructure).

You bang your head against wall if tell you how ridiculous are universities in Iran. I am studying in unversicity ranked 23 in nation. You are not going to believe how what the crap I have gone through. I am saying this because truly educated people is serious danger to regime. Why would they want university if they will create generation of danger ?

They whole nation is like sell oil and give allowance to people to live. There is no fucking industry. There are some manufacturers, remained from Shah or Reformist area. But the whole idea is like sell oil and give people allowance , because they would never courage to stand up (because there is no private sector).

I have seen with my own eyes what happens when average ordinary boy watches 10 season of Friends. He asks "if these people can have such healthy relationship with each other and other gender in society, why I can't?" And after a while he realizes Islamic regime and Islam is root of the problem.

They are really happy people like me to live the country, because people like me is where real danger come from. People who live their westernish life style and show people how much crap regime fed into their brain.

<comment><USER7> >Give me good budget, I would change Iran in just 20 year. Just with pumping free information. Free VPN. Khamenei is genius. He has been talking about cultural war for almost 20 year. He knows USA will never attack (who are we kidding?), He knows they only threat to his regime is cultural collapse.

The CIA has been doing that for decades, it's not that easy.

Iran attempts to control access to any and all information and vilifies anything western.

Just recently they went on a purge and destroyed satellite dishes to prevent people from watching TV (much of it isn't even western) that they do not control.

[http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/iran- destroys-100000-c...](http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/iran- destroys-100000-corrupting-satellite-dishes-160724202722493.html)

That said this isn't an aspect unique to Iran or to Islamic Republics, this is how all authoritarian regimes works, N. Korea does the same, the USSR vilified and criminalized much of western culture, and the west did a lot of the same. While the Soviets were hunting for bootlegs of the beatles the west was hunting for commies in the academia.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> he's been talking a lot recently without releasing much at all. Wonder what he's got. If it's about when Schmidt was CEO why wait till now?

Although given that Google seems ever more obsessed with collecting/retaining data I guess it's just as relevant...

</comment><comment><USER9> He is trying incredibly hard to affect the election purely for his own (potential) gain.

One of the two candidates is much more likely than the other to put wheels in motion to allow his movement away from de facto imprisonment in the embassy.

Any other explanation for his shenanigans would be laughable.

</comment><comment><USER10> Google is too big right now to be damaged significantly by leaks.

<comment><USER11> Trump might disagree. No party is too big to be damaged by leaks it all depends on the nature of that which is leaked and the timing.

</comment></comment><comment><USER11> No actual exposure, so no news.</comment>


Cloudflare CEO pledges to double 2020 internship class - <AUTHOR> https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/02/cloudflare-ceo-pledges-to-double-2020-internship-class/ <comment><USER2> Are their internships open to ... non traditional students?

Folks changing careers and such?

I changed careers a few years ago and I would have been happy to get my feet wet in a new career with an internship or etc. But most are highly centered around the existing 4 year university system, so if you're not in that system that opportunity is closed.

A few were open to folks with other experience, but most were still traditional student focused.

I feel like with the way technology, jobs, and everything changes so quickly that internships too maybe should be more open to different paths.

<comment><USER3> if one can get past HR, most people probably don't care, though it might be seen as strange

imho major reason for targeting this age group is that they are willing to work for cheap without being insulted.

<comment><USER4> I mean for any big tech company, its not that cheap. I made $42.50 an hour plus a housing stipend when I was an intern, and I don't think that I did very much. A lot of the reason that companies do that is that paying an intern about $20k for the summer and converting them to a full time employee after graduation is cheaper than what they would spend to hire someone through the interview process and stuff like that.

<comment><USER2> I worked with a lot of interns, and in my experience the ONLY value was finding folks randomly who were good enough to hire. The actual productivity / work for the interns on average was very low.

The rate was so low though that I'm not sure if it really was a net positive, but I think the company liked the PR and such too.

<comment><USER4> I mean yeah, that's not really a secret. The head of the intern program that I was at straight up told all the interns that it was worth it to the company if even 20% of the interns who were hired returned as full time employees.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> I love cloudflare, I'd love to work there, but I just wish they would actually pay market rates. Everyone I know that has considered them backs out because the offers they receive are the biggest lowballs they've seen in their life.

</comment><comment><USER6> Pledging to hire 50 interns? News must be slow over at TechCrunch.

<comment><USER7> It's semi significant because some companies are curtailing their internship programs right now.

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> There are many colleges that haven't yet changed their internship and/or foreign study requirements. So, this sort of thing is helpful.

</comment><comment><USER9> Are theses internships paid?

<comment><USER10> Yes. All Cloudflare internships are paid, including the new ones we just created. More details: [https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-doubling-size- of-2020...](https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-doubling-size- of-2020-summer-intern-class/)

<comment><USER11> Hi Matt,

This is unrelated, but can you please get rid of hCaptcha? It is an awful experience and it feels like there is a conflict of interest with including it vs captcha. You are now incentivized to push more users towards fraudulent vs non-fraudulent to make more money. I'm not saying that's what is happening, but it is a slippery slope.

I already dislike Captcha, but hCaptcha is somehow much worse.

<comment><USER10> No chance we go back to ReCAPTCHA. We'd been concerned with the privacy implications of using a Google service for years. Then Google changed their policy to switch ReCAPTCHA from being free to a paid service. They have every right to do that, but it would have imposed >$10M in costs just to support our free customer base, which was untenable. That was the kick in the butt we needed to finally get off Google's service. We moved to hCAPTCHA as at least a stopgap. Ultimately, our goal is to eliminate any overt CAPTCHA entirely. However, I will say I've been very impressed with hCAPTCHA's responsiveness and willingness to rapidly innovate based on feedback from users — something that, even at our scale, we had a hard time getting from Google.

<comment><USER11> Thanks for the quick response! I'm definitely interested in eliminating CAPTCHA entirely. I was really hopeful for the Javascript check y'all were doing, but it looks like there were too many ways around that.

<comment><USER12> In case it isn't clear from our website, hCaptcha offers both bot prevention and traffic monetization options. Cloudflare does not use our service for traffic monetization, so neither company has an incentive to make it difficult for humans to pass the captcha.

Websites that use hCaptcha for monetization can adjust difficulty settings and the types of data labeling jobs their users will see. The value hCaptcha derives from human data labeling is provided broadly as a service to other companies, not just to provide training data for our own autonomous vehicle division. Since we are growing capacity like crazy and have a broad footprint of sites primarily interested in bot prevention and not traffic monetization, hCaptcha can offer the lowest cost data labeling to everyone. hCaptcha is also privacy-focused and doesn't track you around the internet to show you advertisements. We support the privacy-pass extension and have an accessibility option which sends you to a cookie via email (because we can't just cookie you when you log into our email service).

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> What's the culture like at cloudflare?

<comment><USER5> I hear the culture is good, but the pay is way under market.

</comment></comment><comment><USER14> That's smart. They are going to get a ton of great applications.

</comment><comment><USER15> As markets get roiled Cloudflare has proven to be one of the best investments you can make. Buy a thousand shares today and you'll be glad you did 5 or 6 years from now.

<comment><USER16> Hang on, any reason why Cloudfare's recent market outperformance will _continue_?

<comment><USER17> good product, growing market, good stewardship, growing revenue, high margin...

<comment><USER18> High margin means that it's ripe for competition.

<comment><USER19> Cloudflare's margins are not easy to replicate. They have deployed a physical, global network that you cannot spin up with limited resources.

If you're not already in a position to challenge Cloudflare today, it'd take years for you to build a similarly sized network. And even if you were able to get a similar physical distribution, can you get the same low peering prices?

Then, once you have that, it's a very complex stack inherently. So getting feature parity with CF is no easy task by itself.

I'd say Fastly or Amazon could put more effort into challenging Cloudflare and see some success. But Fastly already goes head to head with Cloudflare today. So, idk who would be able to disrupt them within a couple years unless they are already on that trajectory.

<comment><USER8> It's interesting to me that Akamai hasn't changed their model somewhat away from the "Call Sales for More Info" plan.

They don't have every feature Cloudflare does, but they do have many of them. But they refuse to serve any market other than the high end. I figured they would have at least added an instant signup for a mid-tier plan by now. There is a free trial, but post-trial pricing is opaque.

<comment><USER19> Well, Cloudflare's free tier costs money, but it was a good way to get people using the service, and now it's part of the ethos and culture people expect from Cloudflare.

By the time Akamai was being challenged by Cloudflare, they already had such a marketshare it probably wasn't worth racing to the bottom. Until Cloudflare is actually taking Akamai customers, I don't think they'll change.

<comment><USER8> I didn't suggest a free plan. And certainly Akamai has lost some business to Cloudflare.

<comment><USER19> I didn't suggest you did. I am simply saying that Cloudflare started with a Free plan which helped build the company. So Cloudflare took on the smaller customers by design, as evident from the Free tier of accounts.

So, by the time Cloudflare started really going after meaningful enterprises, it was a race to the bottom for Akamai if they wanted to kill off CF.

Yes Cloudflare has taken some Akamai customers, but when I was working there, it was pretty well established that we didn't directly go after existing Akamai customers. It was a losing battle for Cloudflare. Akamai had a far superior streaming service and there was no way Cloudflare could adequately compete against them in the space where Akamai retained most of their customers.

I'm not as up-to-date on the CDN wars, but I am pretty sure thats still the case. Cloudflare launched a streaming platform, but it still couldn't compete directly against Akamai. Cloudflare has decided that it wants to do everything decently in an agnostic way because it allows them to pick up a wider range of businesses vs being force to go head to head with Akamai or Fastly. Both of those providers offer similar cache response times, and in some cases are much faster than Cloudflare. So, Cloudflare tries really hard to not lock itself into fighting with CDNs directly. We viewed Amazon as a more direct competitor vs Akamai.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> While a nice gesture, this would mean a lot more if Cloudflare was doing poorly right now. They're doing great, so this costs them very little and seems mostly like a PR stunt.

<comment><USER21> Huh? If they were doing poorly they wouldn't be able to afford to do this. It's exactly the companies that are doing well that we want to step up and do things like this.

<comment><USER20> That's the entire point you and other commenters are missing here. It's very easy to be generous when you're doing well, it's a lot harder to be generous when you're not. The latter is far more noble as a result. Easy comparison: if a millionaire stands up and yells at everyone about how they just donated $100 to a charity while someone else with barely any savings quietly donates the same amount, which one is more deserving of praise? Cloudflare is the millionaire in this example, thousands of small businesses making actual sacrifices to keep employees from getting fired are the other person. This is a feel-good PR stunt.

<comment><USER22> Honestly, 'deserving of praise' makes no sense to me. There are only behaviours you want to reinforce and behaviours you want to discourage. I think I want to reinforce offering internships (giving the $100 in your example) so I wouldn't differentiate between the two cases and I'd praise them both.

This company is stepping up when they are able to. Good. I want more of that.</comment></comment></comment></comment>


5 steps to a better windows command line - <AUTHOR> http://jbeckwith.com/2012/11/28/5-steps-to-a-better-windows-command-line/

<comment><USER2> I can vouch for Console2, it really contributes to improve the 'terminal experience' in Windows. I also use cygwin as my shell and apt-cyg as my 'package manager', they make me feel almost on a Unix when I need to code or do some other task better served by terminal utils.

<comment><USER3> Give a try to ConEmu? It is powerful, fast and flexible. And latest alpha can set up itself as _default_ windows terminal ;) <http://code.google.com/p/conemu-maximus5/></comment></comment>


Philosophy as Math-Like Thinking - <AUTHOR> http://jessylin.com/2019/11/17/what-philosophy-is-good-for/ <comment><USER2> _" Philosophy is a way to address these questions more systematically -- it takes our fuzzy concepts and intuitions and makes them rigorous... In metaphysics, for example, when we talk about ontology, we try to formalize our natural intuitions for objects"_

This is only true of certain types of philosophy -- analytic philosophy and its brethren in the 20th and 21st Centuries, and some systematic philosophers of earlier times.

Nietzsche is one of the most well-known counterexamples. Writing in an intuitive, aphoristic style, he was far from interested in any kind of systematization or formalism.

The playfulness of Derrida and the approaches of some other of the Postmodernists are also the antithesis of what this article claims philosophy is about.

The Pre-Socratics and Socrates himself were not interested in systematization or formalism either. Neither was most Eastern philosophy.

Philosophic interest in formalizing only rears its head in philosophy towards the end of the 19th Century with Frege and the logical-positivists (themselves ancestors to the Analytics) who followed him.

There's plenty of philosophy that just isn't interested in this.

On the other hand, if what the author is getting at is that philosophers tend to examine the questions and subjects that interest them in a deeper way than most other non-scientist do, then I would agree with that.

<comment><USER3> Derrida is a lot closer to literature than it is to philosophy, including Nietzsche. He's a charlatan that uses cryptic language to make his writing seem serious and profound. Not unlike Jacques Lacan and Aleister Crowley.

<comment><USER4> Lacan is actually surprisingly rigorous or, at least, methodical. It's just, if you attempt to talk about what preconditions language and language like structures using language, you necessarily enter a metadiscourse. (Having read Lacan in philosophy was actually of help to me to come up with some algorithms as a programmer.)

<comment><USER3> If Lacan could be methodical (and I don't think he did), it would be much in the same way psychotics can be methodical.

> you necessarily enter a metadiscourse

It's quite possible for metadiscourse to be also intelligible. No reason to write like a lunatic.

<comment><USER4> I think, much of the reception of Lacan is specific to the language, language as in translation. E.g., mind that the early US reception is somewhat unfortunate due to the translation. On the other hand, the German edition tends to be a bit pompous, probably in order to establish the text in the context of the German academic discourse of the time. (Especially the _Ecrits_ are about unreadable at times.) The Seminars, however, are, at least in the original, colloquial, slowly spoken, trying to find appropriate words for where there are none. And he's developing a methodology of his own, for sure. He even tried to express them conclusively in mathematical formulars and diagrams ("mathemes" – yes, we may have to put an emphasis on "tried"). If you have a look at Seminar II _(Le moi dans la théorie de Freud et dans la technique de la psychoanalyse, 1954-1955),_ you even may observe that he entertained relationship with the cybernetic community, there are also traits of Rosenblut, contemporary mathematics… And, not to the least, some of Lacan's concepts seem to have shown up in FMRI findings of the last years.

Edit: If we entertain for a moment Marx's thought of history being the natural history of mankind, we may assume that this natural history sediments into technological artifacts, for short, technology, machines. If we also assume some value for the concept of the _moi,_ we may conclude that we put some of a resemblance to our own into these machines. There's a mutual inheritance in the description. And machines, which are are also kind of sediments of algorithms or symbolic forms in their own, adhere – at least to some degree – to the same preconditions. (This, BTW, is a great way of looking at 2001, A Space Odyssey.) There's something to be learned from exploring either of them. However, we may have to find appropriate methodology for each of them, according to the specific scope. Since the venture of describing the preconditions of the human psyche equals the endeavor of describing a scope from within this very scope, we also encounter Boges' paradox of the map at 1:1 scale, which doesn't do for a description. What to do about it? Necessarily, we'd have to resort to some analogies, but, at the same time, we'd have to invalidate them, in order to not fall prey to ontology. What's left? Probably a system which is built more on resonance than on conclusive description, entertained by the mutual relations and suspense of the various concepts, which, at the same time, provides proper meaning to these concepts. Some sort of a bootstrapping process. We try to talk about meaning and its constraints by the very process of making meaning. Which, BTW, is totally conclusive with post-structuralist epistemology, as long it is internally conclusive. (Mind that this is for the most in the 1950s and 1960s, at the height of the linguistic turn. – And it's a generation of French academics who were, at least to some extent, formed by the confrontation with Hegel and Heidegger, and by the example of Lévi-Strauss.)

<comment><USER3> I've read different translations, I've have been part of a prestigious Lacanian psychoanalytic society that's a direct descendant of his original - physical - school in France. At its best Lacan's works is an interesting form of literature, at it's worse it's indistinguishable from pseudo-science and charlatanism. His followers are basically mystics and cultists.

If you read Aleister Crowley you will get to the same point: "this is so incomprehensible that it must have meaning. And after years of decyphering, there it is, _actual_ meaning!".

Human beings are genetically formed to see patterns. If I generated a list of grammatically correct phrases combining random words, people would find meaning there too.

<comment><USER4> I'd say, if it makes sense as a system and you can make sense by it and in it, it must be a system, at least. If we may further make predictions, which prove to hold (compare the FMRI findings mentioned above), and/or add explanation to what was previously unexplained, there may be even _some_ value to it. :-)

<comment><USER3> Supposing that a random word generator is a worthwhile source of valuable knowledge, and if you're willing to concede that Lacan is/was just as good as a random word generator, then YES, Lacanian psychoanalysis is a valuable epistemological framework.

But

> a random word generator is a worthwhile source of valuable knowledge

Is obviously valse!

<comment><USER4> I guess, we won't come to terms on this subject.

(I, on the other hand, do not understand, why certain economists are supposed to make any sense, just because their words are easily intelligible.)

P.S.: I should specify (previously supposing this was obvious from context), I'm distinctively talking about Lacan in terms of metapsychology and not as a psychoanalytical framework in the strict, therapeutical sense. Yes, here we may have to make a distinction. I'm not too sure, if I would prefer a Lacanian therapy. (Probably not.)

<comment><USER3> To me, Lacanian therapy was surprisingly good, not because of Lacanian psychoanalysis makes any sense, but because Lacanian circles attract some of the most intelligent psychotherapists.

Psychology, as a science, is a very practical, statistical, straightforward field. Research does require intellectual sophistication, but psychotherapy is largely the application of proven prophylactic you better not mess too much with.

Some of the smartest psychologists tend to flock to the set of references that most eludes them.

So Lacanian psychology may be a good choice because smart people give the best advice.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> > You learn to find an isomorphism between the concepts in your brain and > someone else's.

Coming from a math background myself, this is a really great way to relate philosophy to something I'm used to thinking about. So many times in conversations I've noticed that people talk about the same fundamental ideas but use different language and constructs to express them, and end up thinking (mistakenly) they disagree with each other.

</comment><comment><USER6> I had similar thoughts after finishing an engineering ethics course. Everything is an argument. Strong arguments often demonstrate their superiority over alternatives. The more dimensions the problem context has (or, of course, the more alternatives), the more difficult this becomes. Luckily, arguments can usually be abstracted to ethical frameworks or philosophical traditions.

Sometimes these wrappers are easier to reason about. Sometimes, if the problem context is a foreign government's pending social credit system whose design and implementation is clouded by deceit and unknown consequences, all we can do is turn to Aristotle and ask, "[How] can we teach others to be good citizens?"

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Don't take philosophy for the math-like thinking. Take math for that. Take it for the cool readings, discussions, and qt existentialist girls rarely found in compilers.

<comment><USER7> Philosophy is more than just cool readings. You have book clubs for cool readings. Philosophy is for learning critical thinking (just like math is, just both in different and complementary ways), evaluating arguments made by others, forming arguments on your own and thinking those arguments and their consequences through to the very end.

Take both math and philosophy, as both enrich your life and aren't interchangeable.

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> 'Philosophy is like math's ne'er-do-well brother. It was born when Plato and Aristotle looked at the works of their predecessors and said in effect "why can't you be more like your brother?" Russell was still saying the same thing 2300 years later.' ~pg

<comment><USER9> Not sure it is. And I think the paper argue more about rigorous thinking and expressing it.

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> I've read a fair bit of philosophy, and I think the approach this post describes is often problematic.

They try to treat concepts as if they were like mathematical symbols that they can reason precisely with. The problem is when they don't understand the concepts involved well-enough to be able to treat them in this way. This is often the case, given that the subject-matter is in philosophy.

So you end up with a situation where it looks like they're drawing conclusions in a rigorous fashion, but where it's actually a kind of garbage-in-garbage- out situation.

Precision is really important. But you have to acknowledge the level of precision that your level of understanding affords. Trying to be more precise than that makes things worse.

</comment><comment><USER9> It is the argument and the process that counts. The destination is never satisfactory. Like a tourist who enjoy the train (of thought) journey. Get out and and onto another.

There is no answer. Those have answer like Maths or Physics is not superior but just left. What remains are the hard part. And we left with only with signpost and past journeys.

Philosophy is post-thinking. Nothing like maths.

</comment><comment><USER11> I'd be interested to hear book recommendations that discuss "fuzzy thinking" and how to avoid it.

<comment><USER12> Not entirely the point of the book, but I found that the first chapter of _Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid_ (which discusses formal systems, symbol manipulation and how that relates to thinking) was a catalyst for me to tighten up my thinking processes.

</comment></comment><comment><USER13> I've read some po-mo stuff (like Baudrillard). Terms are constantly used without clear definitions, and rather than a logical progression of thoughts it's a snaggle of metaphors. That kind of reading is very thought-provoking, but it's the antithesis of math.

<comment><USER14> I feel the same way about reading math (without ever studying it).

<comment><USER15> What math are you reading? All of the math textbooks I've read, in university, begin each section with a precise definition and then proceed to examine the implications. Theorems begin with a precise statement of the hypotheses and conclusion before proceeding to the proof.

If you're trying to read math on Wikipedia, without having studied it, you're going to have a bad time. Wikipedia's math pages are better used as a reference to remind you of what you already know and give you a jumping-off point for related topics. They are not meant to teach you math.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> This person confuses philosophy with what anglosaxon barbarians consider philosophy...

</comment><comment><USER17> Math is just a branch of philosophy which is not constrained by reality.</comment>


Free Facebook Credits to Expire Tomorrow  - <AUTHOR> http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=19753

<comment><AUTHOR> I still have mine. It seems as though FB has barely scratched the surface of these online payments despite the staggering number of *ville users</comment>


Mind answering this 1 question survey about your charging cable? - <AUTHOR> https://docs.google.com/a/kwikboost.com/forms/d/1AFg1V3pprEjgtfB988-lLBBoqRPxwRDi6zViTVXqVS4/viewform

<comment><USER2> C) Sometimes.

<comment><AUTHOR> Will add that next time!</comment></comment>


Clappr: Subjectively compare video with different bitrates, codecs - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/lucasmundim/clappr-video-comparator

<comment> TD-Linux This attempts to load a flash player based comparison tool it seems. Also, does this only work with locally supported codecs?

<comment><AUTHOR> hey, it should play all formats supported by Clappr: [http://clappr.io](http://clappr.io)</comment></comment>


ShadowBrokers Bitcoin Transactions: Now There's Some Taint for You - <AUTHOR> https://krypt3ia.wordpress.com/2016/08/19/shadowbrokers-bitcoin-transactions-now-theres-some-taint-for-you/ <comment><USER2> >If you were the gubment and you wanted to maybe trace these fuckers would you maybe try to chum the bitcoin waters to see what wallets are used for any liquidation of the bitcoins later?

The address of the auction is public. Sending more bitcoins to the address doesn't make sense. The only way it would make sense to send Bitcoin to the address is if you waited until the Bitcoins had been spent, and send a bit of dust to the address, in the hope that their wallet spent it along with some other Bitcoins.

The more likely explanation is that somebody is messing with the people observing the auction. By my count, there are only two serious bids that follow the rules set out by the shadow brokers.

</comment><comment><USER3> I haven't been following the Silk Road coins, but I thought they'd been auctioned off?

[http://www.coindesk.com/four-winners-44000-bitcoins-final- si...](http://www.coindesk.com/four-winners-44000-bitcoins-final-silk-road- auction/)

</comment><comment><USER4> > gubment

Wat.

> I am LOVING the l337 status on those transactions hahaha

What does this mean?

<comment><USER5> The screenshots are low quality, so here's a link to the transactions page itself

[https://blockchain.info/address/19BY2XCgbDe6WtTVbTyzM9eR3LYr...](https://blockchain.info/address/19BY2XCgbDe6WtTVbTyzM9eR3LYr6VitWK)

You'll see a bunch of transactions for 0.001337 BTC, which apparently can be traced back to coins in government agency-seized funds. That's what the post means.

<comment><USER6> Also happens to be a rickroll if you look at the addresses.

Other source: [http://motherboard.vice.com/en_ca/read/someone-rickrolled- th...](http://motherboard.vice.com/en_ca/read/someone-rickrolled-the-bitcoin- auction-for-nsa-exploits)

<comment><USER7> This is surely the weirdest governmental communication _ever_. I'm fascinated by the idea that someone had to tell the NSC and White House, "NSA wants to rickroll the Russian government using DoJ-owned bitcoins seized from a dark web drugs-and-assassinations forum." Evidently our branch of the multiverse is a pasteup being collaboratively written by Grant Morrison, Charlie Stross and Neal Stephenson.

<comment><USER8> I just feel like clarifying that it was in no way an "assassination forum"</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>