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Solidarity with Somyot Pruksakasemsuk
Today, I represent Socialist Party of Malaysia (PSM) here to express our solidarity with labour activist Somyot Pruksakasemsuk, who has been imprisoned without bail since 30 April 2011 and faced charges under lèse-majesté law.
We are deeply concern over the continuous imprisonment, transferring of prison and bail request being denied numerous times.
Somyot is known for his tirelessly work in the workers movement and the establishment of democratic trade unionism in Thailand. In 2007 he became Editor of the Voice of Taksin magazine (now called Red Power), a political publication opposed to military coup. Somyot is the chair of Union of Democratic Labour Alliance and the leader of 24th June democracy group which was formed in the aftermath of military coup September 2006.
Somyot was arrested on 30 April 2011 by the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) by which he was accused for violation of section 112. Somyot's arrest came only five days after the launch of a petition for a parliamentary review to revoke Section 112 of the Criminal Code, which Somyot claims contradicts democratic and human rights principles. According to a document produced by the public-prosecutor, Somyot is also alleged to have allowed two articles that make negative references to the monarchy to be published in his magazine.
There have been hearing dates for the Prosecutor's witnesses on 21 November 2011, 19 December 2011 and 16 January 2012 in different provinces and today is in Songkla province. These will be followed by dates for the Defendant's witnesses in Bangkok Criminal Court in May 2012.
We are concerned that the hearings for the Prosecutor's witnesses which being held outside Bangkok in different provinces have put tremendous burden on Somyot and his attorneys as well as participation of trial observers, diplomatic corps, and journalists. We are worried because the moving from prison to prison has threatened Somyot's health and security.
We are also concerned that Somyot's application for bail continues to be denied. The authority has yet to provide any adequate justification for the prolonged detention of Somyot. We are in view such measure has severely violated one's fundamental rights.
We are alarmed by the escalating misuse of the lèse-majesté law to silence social activists and dissidents in the years following the military coup in 2006. We believe the continuous abuses of the lèse-majesté laws are political motivated and detrimental to rebuild democracy in Thailand. Such laws have to be reviewed in accordance to international human rights standards.
We are here to call on the authorities in Thailand to:
1. Immediately drop all charges against Somyot Prueksakasemsuk and release him unconditionally;
2. Immediately drop all charges against political activists, journalists and any other individuals based on the lèse-majesté laws and pardon all who are serving sentences under these laws;
3. Restore freedom of expression and opinion in Thailand for the benefit to rebuild and enhance democracy in Thailand.
Do we remember PSM? Yes we do
Do we remember PSM? Yes we do - they were the ones NED-funded Prachatai & NED-funded People's Empowerment Foundation (who Prachatai also works directly with on other projects) gathered in front of the Malaysian Embassy in Bangkok in July 2011, to defend against "wrongful imprisonment" of PSM members in Malaysia.
Turns out PSM is a core member of the admittedly US-funded Bersih movement in Malaysia - a directly identical foreign-funded color revolution seeking to install a Thaksin-esque Wall Street stooge into power there - namely, Anwar Ibrahim - who leads the very opposition coalition PSM is a member of. Turns out that NED funds their movement in Malaysia as well as Prachatai and the UDD here in Thailand.
PSM is another Wall Street-London funded proxy group - their "demands" regarding Somyot, a core UDD propagandist, are absolutely illegitimate and clearly the result of a major conflict of interest - the incestuous relationship they have with Prachatai & the UDD with whom they work in tandem with while executing a regional foreign-funded agenda - not any sort of objective, legitimate concern over human rights.
Oh dear. Tony, how is
Oh dear.
Tony, how is People's Empowerment Foundation working directly with Prachatai? Can you elaborate on that?
I am so tired with your jargons, allegations, and theories that lack any solid proof.
Btw, Bersih protest in 2011 is a civil society led initiative.
PSM is a wall street-london funded proxy group? That's the funniest thing I hear in days. PSM is an anti-US/ anti-free trade group.
The answers to your questions
The answers to your questions can be found right here on Prachatai's own "About Us" page where it clearly states that Prachatai & the People's Empowerment Foundation have collaborated directly:
"2) Projects/Services:
Year 2009 People's Empowerment Foundation - Create and support a website, 200,000 THB"
"People's Empowerment Foundation" is also listed alongside Prachatai as a recipient of US State Department funding on National Endowment for Democracy's website here:
I even linked to all of this in my previous comment - meaning you never looked at my evidence and instead falsely accused me of making "allegations and theories that lack any solid proof." I do however give you benefit of the doubt, realizing that Prachatai's deceit is so overwhelming it is almost impossible to believe or accept. Please also understand that Prachatai hid this information until I personally hounded them for months to disclose it, and they only did so upon realizing I already possessed the full list and endless deceit was untenable.
Next, Bersih's own leader admits they are funded by NUMEROUS US organizations including NED. I also included a direct link to the interview where this was stated. I am again disheartened by the fact that you eagerly dismissed my evidence without bothering to even look at it - especially when it includes US NDI archived webpages clearly illustrating US funding for Bersih.
And while you claim PSM is "anti-American" you haven't explained why then, they consort with US funded fronts and support a coalition led by Anwar "IMF" Ibrahim who spends more time in D.C. then in K.L. I sincerely hope that you actually look at the evidence on hand this time and genuinely challenge your preconceived conclusions accordingly.
How else do you explain the
How else do you explain the fact that you are questioning me over Prachatai's ties with the People's Empowerment Foundation, when it is listed on their own "About Us" page - than a case of immense criminal deceit?
In other words, you have an endless torrent of propaganda on Prachatai, each article utterly compromised by numerous conflicts of interest - none of which are ever disclosed in an editor's note before or after any given article in the interest of transparency and full-disclosure. So when I say Prachatai PSM and PEF were all supporting Bersih in tandem last summer, you believe it to be a "conspiracy theory." IF Prachatai was honest and fully disclosed the multiple compromising relationships they have with the subjects of their articles and reports, you wouldn't have made a fool out of yourself.
They will never hold themselves to this level of transparency and full disclosure because if they did, you'd realize everything about their entire operation is an immense, deceitful, foreign-funded fraud.
It isn't me you should be angry with, it is Prachatai who is deceiving you and ultimately the one responsible for your making a fool of yourself. There were others like you swearing up and down last year that Prachatai was not receiving US funds, or if they were, they were meager pittances. It turns out Prachatai gets up to 8 million baht a year from numerous US government & corporate funded sources.
Please address your concerns with Prachatai regarding their hypocritical stance on openness, transparency, and accountability. Understand that the reason I come in here is to expose this cruel exploitation of people's good intentions so people are NOT made fools of.
It seems to me that,
It seems to me that, deliberately or not, Tony is missing the point. By deflecting the argument on to the nature of the PSM he neatly sidesteps the central issue of Somyot's human rights. Is he saying he approves of Somyot's treatment?
I have stated on numerous
I have stated on numerous occasions that Somyot's imprisonment is not a case of "human rights." Somyot is admittedly the editor of "Voice of Taksin," a publication printed on behalf of foreign-funded Thaksin Shinwatra and his foreign-backed red shirt mobs - the UDD.
He is not a political prisoner - calling him one endangers real prisoners of conscience and derails real efforts to achieve reform and progress. Somyot's publications served as the foundation for very real, politically motivated violence, sedition, arson, and death. These threats, innuendos, calls to arms and calls for insurrection are not protected by "freedom of speech" in ANY nation on Earth. The man played a role in getting people killed, he belongs in jail. The only point of contention I am willing to concede to is that Somyot should not be charged with LM, but more appropriately with sedition, treason, and terrorism.
I am simply pointing out that the same foreign interests behind Thaksin, the UDD, and in turn Somyot and his propaganda are also behind PSM and Bersih in Malaysia - illustrating not only immense deceit and a monumental conflict of interest behind PSM's human rights concerns, but the fact that there is a regional effort by the same foreign-interests to overthrow governments that oppose their agenda and replace them with those that will serve it.
That you say it isn't so most
That you say it isn't so most certainly makes the point that these are political prisoners.
That is because you are a political propagandist on behalf of Sondhi Limthongkul and his yellow shirt mobs with their foreign links to precious metals traders and the extreme right in the U.S. and a network of secretive conspiracy theorists.
Prachatai is funded by the US
Prachatai is funded by the US government via the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) whose board of directors consists of the following....
Francis Fukuyama: Neo-Con, Project for a New American Century (PNAC) signatory, pro-war
Zalmay Khalilzad: Neo-Con PNAC signatory, pro-war + corporate lobbyist
Will Marshall: Neo-Con PNAC signatory, pro-war
Vin Weber: Neo-Con PNAC signatory, pro-war + corporate lobbyist
Richard Gephardt: pro-war, corporate lobbyist for big-pharma, Boeing & Ford Motor Co.
John Bohn: petrochemicals, corporate consultant & international banker for 13 years
Rita DiMartino: CFR, AT&T "Vice President of Congressional Relations"
Kenneth Duberstein: Boeing, ConocoPhillips, Mack-Cali Realty, CFR member & Fannie Mac
William Galston: Brookings Institution
Moises Naim: Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Robert Miller: corporate lawyer
Larry Liebenow: US Chamber of Commerce, Center for International Private Enterprise
And because I point out this obvious fraud perpetrated by big-business corporate fascists and warmongers, that makes me an "extremist right-winger?" You'll have to do better than that.
Somyot - his "Voice of Taksin" magazine features articles written in support of and by Thaksin Shinawatra himself - a Wall Street backed billionaire autocrat....
While I endlessly promote a message of anti-war and anti-corporate fascism, you claim I am somehow the extremist here because I don't support and defend obvious frauds working for the very big-business, mass-murdering, authoritative "right-wingers" you claim I am a member of?
Again, you'll have to do MUCH better than that.
Well, it is clear that you
Well, it is clear that you are neither anti-war nor anti-fascist. You repeatedly refer to people as traitors, scum and more, engaging in hate speech while you are a political propagandist on behalf of Sondhi Limthongkul and his yellow shirt mobs with their foreign links to precious metals traders and the extreme right in the U.S. and a network of secretive conspiracy theorists.
They are fascists and racists and you support them and propagate their hatred in terms that have nothing to do with anything progressive, except in the small world of conspiricists, racists and extremists.
You have repeatedly supported military murderers who have slaughtered their own people time and time again.
All these things are documented in comments here and at your pathetic blog. We all know this, so your bleatings and squeals are simply moronic.
The topic at hand: Thaksin's
The topic at hand: Thaksin's propagandist Somyot Pruksakasemsuk and the fact that you, Prachatai, and their foreign gaggle of sponsors are disingenuously portraying him as a "political prisoner." He is clearly not, and is instead directly involved in supporting Thaksin who is on record backed by Wall Street, Washington, and London. This, and his incessant calls for violence are treason and sedition, not protected free-speech.
This is drawn from evidence provided by Thaksin's paid corporate lobbyists when they registered their services in Washington within archives kept by the US Senate, and by Somyot's own hand within the pages of his dubious, violence-laced "Voice of Taksin" publication. I have provided links, ad naseum illustrating this - where are your links?
Where is your proof of the contrary? I think you have none, which is why you've resigned to conjuring up bizarre, off-topic conspiracy theories within the confines of insulting personal attacks directed at undermining me instead of dealing with my message. Still I defend your right to do so.
Nice try. You changed the
Nice try. You changed the topic. And now you return to political prisoner Somyot and repeat for the hundredth time that you have evidence of something. I have repeatedly pointed out that you cannot point to a single piece of evidence for your claims. You have never , ever done this. Like some kind of automaton you simply refer to hundreds of pictures. You have no evidence. Hence you are a simply a mindless propagandist for fascist organizations. Any reader can sift back through your comments on Somyot and find nothing but the same mindless allegations made again and again and again.
Somyot is a political prisoner who deserves the support of all thinking people. That counts you out.
Its a mistake to feed a troll
Its a mistake to feed a troll who cannot say who from Wall Street supports Thaksin. Who cannot say why Prachatai should not be supported by the list of people he calls 'neo-con', or why Prachatai in fact should not be supported by whoever Prachatai chooses to accept money from. Who is unable to show any editorial bias in Prachatai as a consequence of what he says is suspicious funding. Who in fact is unable to do anything but cast dodgy assertions, make dodgy associations and who asserts that people with a different view to the lunatic royalist fringe is committing treason.
The man is either completely clueless or psychotic or working for someone with some agenda against Prachatai.. Either way...
Engaging him really is a mistake.
"...a troll who cannot say
"...a troll who cannot say who from Wall Street supports Thaksin..."
Below are taken directly from US government databases where it is required by law to declare politically-motivated lobbying:
BGR (more specifically US warmonger Robert Blackwill)
NYT: Backing an Iraqi Leader Again, This Time for a Fee
Edelman (more specifically, Kenneth Adelman who also chairs Freedom House - a direct supporter of Prachatai and fellow NED-funded subsidiary)
2Bangkok.com: Kenneth Adelman
Baker & Botts (James Baker, Thaksin's Caryle Group associate)
USCLA Asia Media: Thaksin hires high-profile Washington lobbyists
Pretty clear you are as misinformed as you are incapable of ration debate without resorting to childish name-calling and veiled calls to chill genuine debate.
Regarding Prachatai - I have also illustrated my "accusations" by providing links directly to Prachatai sponsor NED's BoD along with official biographies and signed policy papers by BoD members illustrating that they are indeed Neo-Con warmongers, corporate fascists, and responsible for some of the most abhorrent chapters in modern human history (Iraq War, Afghanistan War, Libya, Syria, Iran, torture, rendition programs (Thaksin supported) etc., etc., etc.)
Just because you refuse to read or acknowledge, or maturely deal with the evidence I have provided, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You are doing the intellectual equivalent of an ostrich stuffing its head into the sand.
Tony, And what of the US
And what of the US lobbyists that the Abhisit led Thai government hired to bury their human rights abuses? The Podesta Group, one of the most expensive and sleaziest in the business.
Founded by John and Tony Podesto in 1988. Of course, John Podesto also founded the Center for American Progress in 2003 and is the Chairman of the Board. Unlike the NED and Prachatai, the Podesto Group and the CAP are not transparent as to where their money comes from and where it goes, although we do know that George Soros is a very generous donor of the CAP.
I have to wonder about your motivation in posting ad nauseum, since you obviously take a lot of time preparing your remarks but receive mostly invective for your efforts. I haven't seen another one like you on any site. You're no ordinary troll.
The trolls who jump in occasionally to throw feces around and cause a stir are understandable. They're having a little fun, or lose their temper over something they read; but you spend a LOT of time writing this drivel. Who pays you to surf the web all day, endlessly cherry picking bits from articles that support your wild ass conspiracy theories? You're always hot to follow the money, except to maybe where it really leads–your own paycheck.
While Podesta is indeed on
While Podesta is indeed on par with any of the ghouls backing Thaksin, Baker Botts, BGR, and Edelman are DIRECTLY related to Thaksin in additional ways besides mere lobbying. James Baker was in Carlyle while Thaksin served the group as an adviser, BGR's lobbyist, Robert Blackwill is also linked to the Baker/Bush nexus Thaksin regularly consorted with before and after becoming PM. And Kenneth Adelman of Edelman, not only lobbies for Thaksin, but runs Freedom House - the disingenuous fake human-rights advocate that directly supports Prachatai and Thaksin's UDD/Nitirat mobs.
No, NED is NOT transparent and neither is Prachatai - if you read my account of Prachatai's funding, you will see that last year I spent several months hounding them to disclose their funding.
The real question, Patrick, is not why I am so persistent in exposing clearly hypocritical and fraudulent behavior here at Prachatai and their connections to the US government, UDD, Thaksin, and now Nitirat, the question is why are you so negligent in doing so yourself? You went to the NED BoD page...
You saw who they were and that they have nothing to do with "human rights" or "democracy." I believe you are the one who claimed Dick Gephhardt was not a corporate-fascist or a warmonger until I gave you links showing he was indeed, and also a lobbyist for Boeing, Ford, and big pharma. So why are you still defending NED or Prachatai?
What Does Dick Gephardt Know About Management?
I am supportive of the NED
I am supportive of the NED because it is fully transparent and it is dedicated to the idea that democratization is spread from the bottom up. It uses entirely peaceful means to support the development of the grass roots civil society that is the basis for a working, sustainable, democracy. The idea is to export and support the idea of democracy, not to impose it.
Their track record is actually quite impressive. They were involved in the democratization of Eastern Europe, South Africa, the return of democracy to Chile, and other places. IMO, this is much better than previous US policies to retard the growth of democracy in favor of stability. "Stability" of course, means keeping dictators in power for economic purposes. I'm in favor of the US turning its back on that policy (long supported by real corporate fascists) and turning toward the much more radical idea of human freedom.
As for Prachatai, they're transparent as well. If you want to take credit for that then be my guest. Prachatai was originally established by former senator Jon Ungpakorn, to counter Thaksin's repression of the mainstream media. Prachatai's essays are entertaining and their news articles are informative and seem to adhere to Professional Journalistic Standards and Code of Ethics (more so than some other Thai media organizations).
You just oppose Prachatai, and anything else that NED funds just because NED funds it, not because of any intelligent analysis of what the policies of the US ought to be or the content of what Prachatai actually publishes.
I'm fairly certain that Gephardt wasn't placed on Ford's or Boeing's board of directors because of his management skills. He most likely was selected because of his obvious government lobbying skills and contacts and to appease the Unions working with these companies.
Speaking of Boeing and your propensity of conspiracy theories involving associations with "corporate fascists"… how about Ralph Boyce who, within 2 months after his term as US Ambassador to Thailand ended, was named President of Boeing Southeast Asia.
I assume this wasn't because of his reputation or great managerial skills…
Perhaps it was a reward for his "above and beyond the call of duty" involvement of overthrowing a real democracy?
Patrick because of
Patrick because of Prachatai's little glitch, I now know with absolute certainty that you are card carrying UDD member - or to be specific an "Orange Shirt USA" member.
With that said, I realize you are so heavily invested in the cult of Thaksin that Thaksin himself, signing a confession in front of you would not sway you back into reality. So I won't be too hard on you.
This is NED.
But even if you can somehow ignore all of that, which is an INCREDIBLE display of cognitive dissonance, how can they be so good, as you claim they are, as a functionary of the US State Department, but yet you claim Boyce helped overthrow a "real democracy" which I assume you mean Carlyle advising, Iraqi War troop sending, CIA rendition participating, war on drugs mass murdering, autocratic tyrant Thaksin Shinawatra?
Are US Ambassadors just running their own little programs? Is that what you believe? Because what is often said in the realm of political science, is you can get rid of an ambassador, but you cannot get rid of their nation's foreign policy. So which is it? Is the US State Department anti-democratic fiends overthrowing real Thaksinocracies in Thailand? Or are they supporting freedom around the world just as NED claims? You are at least wrong about either Boyce or NED, but more likely you are wrong about both - with PPT further exposing what a crank outfit they are - PS Wikileaks is not evidence.
Finally Prachatai hid their funding for years! They only disclosed it because they had no choice - I already exposed it for them and too many people were asking questions. That's not being transparent, that's being caught like a rat.
So you chide Prachatai for
So you chide Prachatai for their "little glitch" yet you are the one who abuses it so passionately. No matter, but thanks for reminding me to answer those emails from the UDD. And chalk up another baseless accusation to you: I don't care for Thaksin. But by all means, keep trying.
As for the NED – you are wrong. They are a private organization which receives some of their funding as an annual appropriation from the U.S. Congress through the State Department. Although this funding is dependent on the continued support of the White House and Congress, it is NED's independent Board of Directors that controls how the appropriation is spent. Many of the traditional diplomats at the State Department don't like the NED believing it undermines the Embassies. The goals of the State Department and the NED seem to be completely different in Thailand.
It's also no surprise that you claim that the leaked embassy cables are not evidence as their contents don't fit your wacky conspiracy theories. The cables offer clear evidence that the Embassy was in regular contact with Surayudh, that it was aware of the possibility of a coup and Surayudh's appointment, and that subsequent to the coup it had a very positive view of Suraydh's appointment because, among other reasons, "he is trusted by the palace and the military" and it would be "very positive" for Thai-US relations. The cables also reveal a very strong bias against Thaksin on the part of the Embassy, and an equally strong pro-monarchy stance.
Does the US State Department make it a requirement that all its ambassadors be "dismal failures in defending democracy" and that they be "favorably looked upon by the nation's palace?"
Finally, since Prachatai came clean with their funding, don't you want to now come clean with what your vendetta is against them?
US NED who funds Prachatai
US NED who funds Prachatai millions of baht/year, has a BoD including the following individuals:
Francis Fukuyama: Neo-Con, Project for a New American Century (PNAC) signatory, pro-war
Zalmay Khalilzad: Neo-Con PNAC signatory, pro-war + corporate lobbyist
Will Marshall: Neo-Con PNAC signatory, pro-war
Vin Weber: Neo-Con PNAC signatory, pro-war + corporate lobbyist
Richard Gephardt: pro-war, corporate lobbyist for big-pharma, Boeing & Ford Motor Co., director of Ford Motor Co.
John Bohn: petrochemicals, corporate consultant & intl banker for 13 years
Rita DiMartino: CFR, AT&T
Kenneth Duberstein: Boeing, ConocoPhillips, Mack-Cali Realty, CFR & Fannie Mac
William Galston: Brookings Institution
Moises Naim: Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Robert Miller: corporate lawyer
Larry Liebenow: US Chamber of Commerce (proponent of SOPA), CIPE
Anne-Marie Slaughter: US State Depart (ahem), CFR, Citigroup, McDonald's
Also including Exxon directors, Hilton Hotels, & a myriad of US State Dept. officers, reps, and ambassadors. There goes your theory.
NED & Freedom House's True Background
I have extensively US State Dept involvement directly w/NED...
I have documented Thaksin's extensive US support & how he actively carried out their directives...
Thaksin & CIA Renditions
Thaksin Sends Thai Troops to Iraq
Thaksin and the 2004 Failed US FTA
Thaksin's Extensive Washington Lobbying Support
Besides a single vague cable that may not even be genuine, where is your counter-evidence?
"US NED who funds Prachatai
"US NED who funds Prachatai millions of baht/year…"
Let's not be so vague. Prachatai has been funded US$50,000 per year by NED since 2009. According to NED, this was:
"To provide the Thai public with a credible and respected source of independent news reporting and editorial commen¬tary and to foster a higher level of public participation and community involvement in Thai political affairs. The Foundation for Community Educational Media will publish its online newspaper, Prachatai.com, a Thai- and English-language daily newspaper and maintain community web boards that cover politics, energy, the environment and natural resources, employment and labor issues, health, and the ongoing violence in southern Thailand."
This sounds reasonable to me. If you make the charge that there is an alternative, more sinister reason then the burden of proof is upon you. Simply listing some of NED's board members and describing them as "neo-cons," and "pro-war," or pointing out that they are "corporate lawyers" or "proponents of SOPA" is not evidence. Is that all you have to pin your theories to? Then again, with you, who needs facts when smears will do.
BTW, Anne-Marie Slaughter no longer works in the State Department.
As for the Wikileaks cables, if they were vague and not even genuine, then Corporal Bradley Manning wouldn't be rotting in jail right now.
Let's not forgot how this
Let's not forgot how this started Patrick.
People started by denying Prachatai got ANY money from the US.
Then they saw that 50,000 - and said it was miniscule, Prachatai are paupers...
Then they saw the additional 8 million they get from other US government & corporate sources and said, so what? These are noble organizations and a noble cause...
Then I pointed out who actually sits on their board of directors, their history, and pointed out the very worst Neo-Con corporate fascists amongst them - and instead of looking at the rest of the board and doing your own research, you simply said, "well, not all of them..."
I proceeded to show you that indeed, every single one of them either has, or is, working for the government and/or Fortune 500 corporations - and now you say, well they are "former" State Department employees and you just skip over the Exxon, Boeing, Ford, Hilton directors, lobbyists, and consultants as if they don't exist...
Now I'm going to explain to you the concept of a political "revolving door:"
"The revolving door is the movement of personnel between roles as legislators and regulators and the industries affected by the legislation and regulation and on within lobbying companies. In some cases the roles are performed in sequence but in certain circumstances may be performed at the same time. "
Clearly you can see this also applies to organizations like NED who implement aspects of US foreign policy in relation to the US State Dept as well as the corporations that fund the creation and implementation of US policy.
Pretending that corporate fascists aren't running a fraudulent human rights front in Bangkok doesn't make this go away. Chiranuch lied to you big time - she is a fraud, a traitor, and an agent of foreign corporate-financier capital. If you are truly a progressive, hold her to the same standards you demand of your political opponents. Ask her why she's taking money from these sort of people - she owes EVERYONE an answer on this.
And what you cite from NED's own page is again - very vague - and despite Prachatai's claims that they received no conditions for their funding - that certainly looks like a condition to me. I can't imagine why Exxon board directors would be interested in funding propaganda related to Thailand's "energy, the environment and natural resources" or "politics" for that matter.
So your logic is that if
So your logic is that if someone has or is currently working for the government and/or Fortune 500 corporation then they are automatically a Neo-Con corporate fascist? And being a Neo-Con corporate fascist means that they can only do evil? Incredible!
I was always led to believe that "fascists" generally don't support independent news organizations like Prachatai, they harass them, arrest their employees, and censor them.
And no, I don't "clearly see organizations like NED implementing aspects of US foreign policy in relation to the US State Dept as well as the corporations that fund the creation and implementation of US policy." The US government isn't that efficient and organized.
The US government has been supporting Mubarak in Egypt for decades and had an enormous investment in his regime. In 2010, it sent an estimated $1.55 billion of aid to the country, down from a high of $2.1 billion in 1998. Of course, the NED was funding a variety of organizations there with over a million dollars a year. And I wonder how much the NED funded Albert Einstein Institution spent distributing Gene Sharpe's booklets and how much effect they had. I bet Barrack and Hilary are having headaches thinking that now they will have to deal with somebody less accommodating in that region.
"if someone has or is
"if someone has or is currently working for the government and/or Fortune 500 corporation then they are automatically a Neo-Con corporate fascist? And being a Neo-Con corporate fascist means that they can only do evil? Incredible!"
Whatever good a fascist may do - say Hitler building the Autobahn - is infinitely overshadowed by the evil they perform. No amount of penance absolves America's Neo-Cons for the lies & mass murder they oversaw in Iraq - have replayed in Libya, & are trying to carry out against Syria & Iran.
I have linked to the PNAC documents each of the NED board members signed - including calls for war & the declaring of their intent to achieve 100 years of global American hegemony through military & economic domination.
Those think-tanks that nearly every NED member sits upon, from the CFR, to the Brookings Institution who wrote in their "Which Path to Persia?" report that they intend to provoke war with Iran, by funding terrorist organizations that have killed US civilians, despite Iran posing no national security threat- are funded by Fortune 500 corporations, chaired by their directors, & produce policy across the Western world. In other words, elected representatives simply rubber stamp policy to give corporate-fascism the cheap veneer of democracy. Again, how is the US & NED going to promote democracy abroad when they have carefully stifled & replaced it at home?
Brookings: Which Path to Persia?
Your defense of Prachatai assumes that it is an "independent news organizations" in the first place, which, if it is receiving millions of baht every year from overseas & publishing endless torrents of propaganda from NED & Soros funded operations, IS NOT independent.
Consider the possibility that just as young men are duped into fighting in wars for what they think is "freedom," a similar army of NGOs has also been created to fill in voids the West's armies are not operating in. Wouldn't it be nice if both sides could rise above these paradigms & find another way forward?
They supported Mubarak while
They supported Mubarak while at the same time preparing for his downfall. You have to understand - when they send money, it goes in all different directions - not Mubarak's personal bank account. Even their funding of the Egyptian military doesn't mean that EVERYONE in the military gets this money. The money goes to certain cliques - as it, like Thailand's army - is far from homogeneous. Often this money is used to co-opt officers and to gain a fuller understanding of the military's overall tactical posture.
Finally, I do believe I sent you a link lending incredible detail to both the US State Department and NED's funding of the Egyptian revolution. Do you simply not read anything I present and just insist on calling me a liar?
ANd of course the whole point of overthrowing Mubuarak, was that while he was a useful ally, he wasn't pliable enough, and of course the noble members of your NED and its subsidiaries the International Republican Institute, toured Cairo with representatives of GE, Boeing, Coca-Cola, Bechtel, Exxon, Marriot, and Dow - because that's what it's about - installing corporate fascism with the veneer of democracy over it, in every country, across the planet - exactly what Noam Chomsky said of NED in 1993....
I hope, if you are not some State Department troll, you take some time to read over that. If you are a professional liar - read this.
What is my problem with
What is my problem with Prachatai?
Prachatai pretends to be progressive, left-wing, liberals and when I point out the fact that the biggest, right-wing, warmongering, corporate-financiers fascists on earth are funding and supporting their political agenda, instead of stepping back and acknowledging the obvious hypocrisy, they and their peanut gallery instead proceed to defend these corporations and their funding when they have otherwise undermined the principles of democracy, human rights, freedom, and human dignity on an unparalleled scale.
So what is my problem? An aversion to fraud, deceit, and hypocrisy.
Prachatai spends the total summation of their time fixated on the politically-motivated defense of Thaksin's political front - the UDD, and now Nitirat. They are highlighting the "oppression" of a single political conglomeration. If you are Thai, and you are not involved in backing Thaksin's agneda, the only thing you have to worry about is the occasional instability and violence that crops up out of this power struggle. It has NOTHING to do with progress, democracy, or human rights. It is a fixation on people, parties, and personalities, not principles, and certainly not on solutions to real everyday problems.
If they focused on programs instead of politics, I'd back them.
And for the record - Prachatai didn't "come clean" they only admitted what they knew I already could prove and only after they got caught like rats. All NED recipients are given this money with directives - Chiranuch goes to NED funded events abroad and she receives directives directly from her donors- she'll never come clean with all of this and on their "About Us" page they still claim to be "independent!"
She's also got significant funds coming in from the notorious USAID for a "project" - where are the details of this project? Names? Mission statement? Locations? Is their financial disclosure translated and explained in Thai on their Thai section?
Hope that helps you understand where I'm coming from.
TC: "So what is my problem?
TC: "So what is my problem? An aversion to fraud, deceit, and hypocrisy. "
Then stop posting it day after day in repetitious form.
tony, You describe Anwar
You describe Anwar Ebrahim as a "Thaksinesque Wall Street stooge" receiving the same funding as blah blah blah.
Perhaps you can explain therefore why Thaksin met with Anwar Ebrahim's arch enemy, Dr. Mahathir Mohamed, in Malaysia last week to discuss the troubles in Thailand's southern provinces.
I guess while you feverishly construct your conspiracy theories, people living in the real world just get on with things as best they can.
.... "You describe Anwar
.... "You describe Anwar Ebrahim as a "Thaksinesque Wall Street stooge" receiving the same funding as blah blah blah..."
Only, Robin, that "blah blah blah" was an immense amount of documented evidence....
..... proving definitively that Anwar Ibrahim was Chairman of the Development Committee of the World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF) in 1998, held lecturing positions at the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, was a consultant to the World Bank, and a panelist at the Neo-Con lined National Endowment for Democracy's "Democracy Award" and a panelist at a NED donation ceremony - the very same US organization funding and supporting Bersih AND Prachatai AND Thaksin's UDD.
Your counter-argument is a single, alleged meeting between Thaksin and Mahathir Mohamed - a retired Malaysian politician? What exactly are you even trying to imply that signifies? Did Thaksin denounce Anwar Ibrahim and Bersih? Is it impossible for the two men to dislike each other and still conduct a meeting - if such a meeting even took place? Did you know Donald Rumsfeld shook hands with Saddam before ending up being Defense Secretary when the US killed both his sons and sent him to a kangaroo court where he was executed? Is this seriously how you analyze the world around you - ignore reams of information in favor of your own conspiratorial interpretation of a single inconsequential meeting?
It is amazing how I am
It is amazing how I am accused of disrupting debate when I simply point out that Somyot's "humanitarian contributions" included a propaganda magazine written on behalf of Wall Street-backed, autocratic, mass-murdering billionaire, Thaksin Shinawatra. This is beyond debate, simply see for yourself withing the pages of Somyot's "Voice of Taksin:"
You can clearly see that Somyot's propaganda is not "promoting human rights" rather encouraging violence, armed insurrection, and threats to be carried out against targeted opponents of Thaksin Shinawatra. It is crass, perverse, exploitative propaganda and it HAS GOTTEN PEOPLE KILLED. Somyot should not be on trial merely for LM, but on trial for treason, sedition, and terrorism.
In response from Somyot's defenders - however, is a litany of feckless, personal attacks distracting from the topic at hand and disrupting any critical debate or examination of Somyot's actual "contributions" or the true nature of his "work."
To Albert Park - if Somyot is a great humanitarian and "Voice of Taksin" encapsulated this, by all means provide us with the evidence. The reason you refuse to do this is simply because YOU CANNOT do this. I have already provided links showing a fair representation of what can be found in "Voice of Taksin" from a reliable 3rd party source.
Somyot is a criminal for which there is no defense. He published his crimes for tens of thousands to see. Now he is paying the price. To call him a political prisoner diminishes the real work of progressives and revolutionaries around the world and jeopardizes their legitimacy by lumping them together with this illegitimate paid-propagandist.
There you go making things up
There you go making things up again TC. I have made no claim other than Somyot is clearly a political prisoner. You are the one making unsubstantiated claims and I have challenged you to provide evidence of this - other than photos of magazine covers - and there seems none, at least not that you can provide.
Reasonable people who are not conspiracy theorists can only conclude that you fabricate your claims. You do this because you are a propagandist for fascists.
I apologize to readers for
I apologize to readers for this long comment. That said, I believe that this comment makes an important point regarding political prisoner Somyot.
Yesterday, in response to another mindless repetition by the conspiricist, I said this:
"There you go making things up again TC. I have made no claim other than Somyot is clearly a political prisoner. You are the one making unsubstantiated claims and I have challenged you to provide evidence of this - other than photos of magazine covers - and there seems none, at least not that you can provide. Reasonable people who are not conspiracy theorists can only conclude that you fabricate your claims. You do this because you are a propagandist for fascists."
TC didn't respond to that or to several other of my comments where I have pointed out his political links with card-carrying fascists, revealed his lies and noted his complete lack of evidence for many of his usually ludicrous and unsupported claims that he mistakenly labels "research."
In fact, the only "research" he has ever completed is his Prachatai "expose," which is now remarkably passe as Prachatai tell us all that he tells us. Repeating it doesn't make it anything other than silly repetition.
One thing I have repeatedly challenged him to do is to point to articles where political prisoner Somyot has urged his readers to "violence, [and] armed insurrection," two of his claims in the comment above. He has NEVER been able to do this. I have to admit that I have not read every single article in every issue of the magazines Somyos has edited. So I really don't feel that I can comment on every piece of Somyot's voluminous writing over several years.
However, that is NOT THE POINT. The point is that TC is using hate speech, concocting conspiricies and inciting readers against political prisoner Somyos without producing any specific evidence. Not a jot.
I have pointed out that the reason for this is that I suspect Tony simply can't read the material he claims to be using as evidence. So my suggestion is that, as with much of his nonsense, he is simply fabricating. After all, as a propagandist for extremists, that is his occupation.
Tony usually cites as "evidence," apparently hoping that no one is going to sift through years of photos of magazine covers and translated titles. That way he avoids having to have a single factual element to his loud claims. Continued....
Cont... In the current
In the current comment, Tony finally cites a few specific dates in the 2Bangkok.com database that can be checked. In the following comment, I will say something about these.
So let's take his first example of Somyot inciting "violence, [and] armed insurrection." He says look at: http://2bangkok.com/10-RedPublications1001.shtml. Here is what we find there from Somyot's publication:
From Voice of Taksin, January 12, 2010
The headline reads: The wheel [of karma] of history [the wheel or the cycle of events/the cycle of historical events] - Taksin returns
The sub-headline reads: Celebrating the new year - Thai economy damaged by 800 billion baht
[This is one of the most controversial of the Voice of Taksin magazine covers. Voice of Taksin has been one of the most provocative of the Red publications with each issue pushing the boundaries of anti-aristocracy rhetoric.
Here, in a issue widely discussed in the Thai-language press, Thaksin Shinawatra is equated to King Taksin (something already apparent from the spelling of the title of the magazine) who threatens a return.
The "wheel of history" refers to the revenge that the reincarnated King will be taking on the present people in power (as the historical King Taksin was executed). The idea of cyclical lives and cyclical historical narratives is a common way to view events by Thai Buddhists. Also note the smiley face moon from 2008 in the background of the photo.]
Nothing remotely like TC's claims. Here's the next one:
From Voice of Taksin, January 12, 2010
This is the back cover of the magazine. The words read: On occasion of the New Year coming, I would like to thank every red shirt who gives me mental support. I would like to give my support in return to everyone as well, however, I am waiting for the day that I can serve the nation and the people. I want to give back to express my appreciation for your mercy in the year 2010 and hope that everyone will be happy, every one of your wishes is fulfilled forever. Sincere thanks (Lieutenant Pol. Thaksin Shinawatra) January 1, 2010 from Dubai
Not wishing to bore people, but for EVERY V of T in this first list is exactly like this. There is NOTHING to support the conspiricist's hate speech and claims.
Frankly, I can't be bothered even looking at the rest of his links because he is incapable of providing evidence that supports his outrageous claims.
Anything else to say Tony?
On this link you will find
On this link you will find the following regarding paid-propagandist and criminal Somyot:
Above: From Voice of Taksin, September 16-30, 2009
The headlines on the cover read: 3 years of the coup of the influential – Bomb the aristocrats – DESTROY [slay] aristocrats [a grenade is in front of the seal of the Democrat Party] – Da Torpedo, prison of the lese majeste… final, but not last – Victim of Songkran bloodshed contacts police to file charges against Abhisit
Voice of Thaksin editor arrested – The Nation, April 30, 2011
The editor of the Voice of Thaksin magazine was arrested by the Department of Special Investigation Saturday on charge of taking part in the conspiracy to topple the monarchy…
Earlier: This is not the first time Somyot has been arrested:
Interview with freed red sympathizer – Bangkok Post, June 15, 2010 [Calling Somyot Prueksakasemsuk a "sympathizer" is perhaps too kind. For nearly a year he ran a magazine that used bloody images to threaten the prime minister, insinuate that judges who rule against Thaksin be assassinated, champion the use of grenades (here and here) and molotov cocktails, and encourage people to "bomb" and "slay" aristocrats.]
…The market is the Thaksin fans. Red News has more than 30,000 sales while Voice of Thaksin has 20,000 copies, both bi-weekly.
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So Albert no matter how hard you huff and puff - nothing of substance comes out - just the same tired deceit and cherry picking past facts anyone who clicks on the links can see for themselves - all the examples cited on 2Bangkok.com lead to similarly self-evident examples of how exactly Somyot is NOT a humanitarian - rather a crass, politically-motivated propagandist misleading people into a cycle of violence that has gotten people killed.
Anything else Albert? And please don't flatter yourself - I often don't respond to you because your comments are nothing but baseless fits of name-calling and overt lies that depend solely on people not checking the links for themselves and simply taking your less than credible word.
Response to the plagiarist
Response to the plagiarist (Part 1)
While I realise that TC is not the slightest bit interested in truth and facts (except those that suit him), I feel the need to yet again point out that he knows nothing about the publications he uses as evidence. In fact, his response to my earlier comment just shows that not only is he ignorant, but that he is a plagiarist. He even plagiarizes me!
While I don't wish to waste my time too much on the propagandist, let me quickly deal with his latest claims.
He sends us to 2Bangkok.com yet again. The page we are sent to is about Somyot's arrest in 2011 and refers to three articles (one of them from 2009). Two of them are from English-language newspapers reporting the arrest, so nothing in them to look (one is a dead link) at except that the people at 2Bangkok.com, who are opposed to red shirts and support the PAD, have some links to VoT covers.
Remember that all of this is based on COVERS and not the stories, except for translations by yellow shirt sympathizers. This is important for some of the claims made actually rely on interpreting words in a headline – some of them with poetic allusions that can be translated in several ways – and making a statement about what they mean, but almost never looking at what the article says. My comments are based on reading only what is posted by that website and re-posted by the plagiarist.
A good example of the issue of translations is the 2009 VoT for September 16-30, 2009. It says the headline says "3 years of the coup of the influential – Bomb the aristocrats – DESTROY [slay] aristocrats [a grenade is in front of the seal of the Democrat Party] – Da Torpedo, prison of the lese majeste… final, but not last – Victim of Songkran bloodshed contacts police to file charges against Abhisit."
Only the first bit is relevant to the propagandist's claims. Indeed, the comment about "bloodshed" refers to red shirts being attacked. There is indeed a grenade pictured on the seal of the Democrat Party but it is also has a policeman on top of that. The translation links this to the headline, although we have no idea if that is the intent of the editor.
Response part 2: The headline
Response part 2:
The headline "Bomb the aristocrats – DESTROY [slay] aristocrats" can be rendered that way or it could be equally rendered "Explode Amart DESTROY Amart. The Thai word "destroy" here can have meanings associated with killing high beings, but I would suggest that a disinterested rendering of that the headline can easily be interpreted as a call to overthrow/destruction of the Amart and their rule. But, of course, it depends entirely on what the article says, and I don't have it and nor does the propagandist.
The next link in the 2Bangkok.com story that TC plagiarizes is "Threats, Death, Chaos" referring to a Red Power magazine of April, 2011. Clicking through to the cover and headlines shows that the headline has no relationship at all to the content, which is historical, about monarchies in other places being challenged and overthrown.
This is followed by a dead link to the Bangkok Post and a claim that "For nearly a year he ran a magazine that used bloody images to threaten the prime minister, insinuate that judges who rule against Thaksin be assassinated, champion the use of grenades (here and here) and molotov cocktails, and encourage people to "bomb" and "slay" aristocrats.]" The last claim refers to the 2009 VoT mentioned above. The "bloody images to threaten the prime minister" provides no links at all to a VoT issue that has any bloody image.
The next link is to a claim that VoT has articles that "insinuate that judges who rule against Thaksin be assassinated." The operative word here is to "insinuate," for that it an interpretation and a construction of "evidence." There are apparently articles about judges in important trials, some whom committed suicide. Nothing is indicated about judges being assassinated. The article on assassination in political history has no details provided. There is an image of Lincoln being assassinated. Under that image another is apparently pasted in – it is a separate image – of the judges in the Thaksin assets case. It is not claimed, just insinuated, that these two images are from the same page. In fact, it looks like a constructed "page" meant to insinuate a relationship between the two images. The other captions on this page refer to blood in the context of historical revolutions and Abhisit government actions against red shirts.
Response part 3: The next
Response part 3:
The next claim is that VoT "championed" the use of grenades. The first "evidence" is said to refer "to the government seizure of M79 launchers…. Like many items in the Red Shirt publications, it denies an accusation…". So nothing there, except that the article then asserts that "other parts of the article (including the illustration above) seem to threaten government officials…". Note the use of "seem," for this is nothing more than interpretation of a rejection of government claims. The next "evidence" is of an article that discusses bombings in Bangkok and asking if this is red shirt-related. The next "evidence" is related for it is about claims that Seh Daeng had arranged for an M-79 attack on the army HQ. It seems little different from the mainstream media in assessing this (as far as can be seen in the material provided).
Then VoT is said to incite the use of Molotov cocktails. The evidence this time is a cartoon opposing a coup. That hardly seems like evidence of incitement. There's nothing else in the remaining materials that have to do with petrol bombs.
It is important to look at VoT, March 17, 2010 where there is debate including a "wild guess" as to what a cover illustration might mean. Such debate is possible on a range of VoT covers which are the only evidence TC has.
Response part 4 (final): This
Response part 4 (final):
This leads to a claim that VoT "encourage[d] people to 'bomb' and 'slay aristocrats." First point, note the "violent" words are in inverted commas this time, but just takes us back to the very first cover page of "evidence," reproduced a second time. There is nothing else from VoT that could be related to the claim made.
In other words, the plagiarist has sent readers to a bunch of articles where perhaps one – the very first one – MIGHT be interpreted as having anything to do with violence. However, that depends entirely on one interpretation that is presented unambiguously, when it is clear that VoT covers are seldom clear.
To make the claims that TC does about VoT and of political prisoner Somyos, a reasonable person would need to have unambiguous quotes from articles, not a bunch of cover photos, (constructed) "pages" and sometimes dubious interpretations. Certainly, the violent words in the text of the 2Bangkok.com post DO NOT match the evidence presented.
My view remains that the conspiricist simply makes his stuff up without the evidence for the kind of claims he makes, and which amount to hate speech.
Again, apologies for the length of the comment, and I promise not to do it again.
However, I am bored by the propagandist's claims that are often devoid of evidence, merely plagiarize something else, and yet makes defamatory claims that are meant to incite hatred. He is and remains despicable.
Somyot has blood, bombs, and
Somyot has blood, bombs, and violent language all over his Voice of Taksin publication - all the propaganda is in direct support of Thaksin Shinawtra's agenda - with letters written by Thaksin himself interlaced throughout to build up what is clearly an exploitative, bizarre personality cult - with one article insinuating that Thaksin is in fact the reincarnation of Taksin.
The man is NOT a political prisoner, he is NOT a human rights advocate. He is a shameless propagandist of such painfully obvious magnitude, and he is exactly where destructive, deceitful, fraudulent men like him belong, rotting in jail.
That anyone comes to his aid with such deceitful defenses is a true testament to how politically motivated you all are, and how little interest you hold for real progress, justice, or truth. The best any of you can say, and with what I will agree with, is charge Somyot for the crimes he has committed, and give him an expedient trial with an appropriate sentence.
You can sit there all day making excuse - but it is clear what the intent of VoT is. I have read many of these publications - I have provided an enormous amount of references. I am not going to sit here and spoon feed you the entire VoT body of work, volume by volume, word by word, so you can similarly make outrageous, intelligence-insulting excuses that slay means "overthrow" when they fielded 300 armed militants, attempted to kill Prime Minister Abhisit, hacked men to death, killed an army colonel and burned half the city down.
And now you've made very serious accusations against Ron Morris - who is referenced and linked to by BOTH sides, not just me, but including Robert Amsterdam, Thaksin's paid lawyer - this is because unlike you, unlike Prachatai - Ron Morris is a truly objective journalist simply reporting the facts - facts that you have trouble accepting so - like everyone else - you just start calling him names Plagiarist? Propagandist? PAD supporter? Prove any ONE of these let alone all of them Albert.
You owe the man an apology if you have a shred of honor or humanity remaining.
Tony, you are such a fool.
Tony, you are such a fool. The only person referred to as a plagiarist and propagandist is you.
I take it that you have no sane response other than to "shout" louder. You have shouted this hate speech for months and just don't have evidence for your claims. Not a jot so far.
As I have said and proven time and again, you are a disgraceful propagandist for fascists.
You have nothing. You just repeat the same swill time and again and again and again.... to the point of being mind-numbingly boring and oh so predictable.
Speaking of lack of morals and decency, look in the mirror and try breathing.
Clearly Somyot is a violent
Clearly Somyot is a violent propagandist - this is proven within the archives of 2Bangkok.com. The website is cited by BOTH sides of this power struggle including Robert Amsterdam because it simply reports the facts. The fact is that Voice of Taksin which Somyot wrote - is a violent, manipulative, publication of propaganda written in support of Thaksin Shinawara, not any sort of humanitarian concerns.
"...the people at 2Bangkok.com, who are opposed to red shirts and support the PAD."
Where is your evidence of this? Failing to provide it - you owe 2Bangkok.com an apology - who as I've said before is cited by BOTH sides simply because he reports only the facts - unlike you, unlike US-funded fraud Prachatai.
You follow a predictable pattern of slandering anyone who dares question Thaksin, Prachatai, Nitirat, the UDD, and their various criminal leaders. Worse yet, you have evidence in front of you that you shamelessly misrepresent when anyone can just click on the links and see you're lying! Forgive me also - your comments are so interlaced with insults and profanity I have a difficult time keeping track of it. Still you clearly leveled baseless accusations against 2Bangkok.com for which you owe them an apology.
Whatever you do, do not deal
Whatever you do, do not deal with any of the substance. You are repeatedly shown to have shouted the same slanders without a shred of evidence. In other words, you are fabricating slanders and concocting hate speech. Not a shred of evidence and not a response to any fact. Propagandist, plagiarist and liar. A tool of extremist and hyper-royalists.
By your standard of "evidence" I could just as well claim that you are Sondhi Limthongkul's paid propagandist. Maybe you are, although I prefer to think of you as a propagandist for the mad conspiricist Alex Jones network.
And, yes, I realise that you are confused. It is complicated when you can't keep up with your own lies.
tony, I don't dispute the
I don't dispute the funding arrangements you never tire of regaling us with, I just couldn't be bothered to repeat them because they prove nothing of what you claim, it's all just conjecture.
Anwar Ebrahim is clearly a distinguished man to have held so many important appointments in prominent and respected organisations, but that doesn't turn him into a lackey of your international fascist warmongering blah blah blah. My niece's husband is currently completing his medical studies at John Hopkins. It's a fine institution.
Anwar was talking at the FCCT in Bangkok this evening, unfortunately I couldn't make it, but you might have learnt a thing or two, and perhaps had a chance to challenge him in a public forum, always more satisfying than the anonymity of the internet.
The IMF and World Bank are
The IMF and World Bank are "prominent & respected" organizations?
And just because you know someone at John Hopkins studying medicine must mean definitively that their School of Advanced International Studies is also above board and noble in cause?
You must also mean that NED is a "prominent and respected" organization - despite it's board of directors being full of corporate-fascist warmongers and Neo-Cons, and of which Noam Chomsky said in 1993 that it is "an attempt to impose what is called democracy, meaning rule by the rich and the powerful, without interference by the mob but within the framework of formal electoral procedures."
"Prominent and respected" indeed.
And clearly if you looked at the evidence, Anwar is not merely sitting upon these duplicitous, deceitful, parasitic elitist organizations, his Bersih movement he leads in the streets of Malaysia is directly funded and supported by them as well.
And then we see NED behind pro-Wall Street opposition movements in Thailand, Malaysia, Myanmar, and all across the Middle East and you still sit there pretending like it is unreasonable to AT LEAST question it and accept the possibility that mankind is still pursuing imperialism today just as it has since the beginning of human history and that NED is the one building the necessary administrate and political networks to maintain said empire.
What you are is a collection of poor, backpedaling excuses that goes from blanket denials to eventually admitting "so what they're funded by Wall Street -Wall Street is prominent and distinguished." However deceitful you are I do find it interesting because you are proving my theory that Prachatai is really a nexus of closet-case corporate-fascists dressing up their agenda with the tenuous trappings of human rights and democracy.
Thank you tony, being
Thank you tony, being described by you as a"closet case corporate fascist" is surely the ultimate compliment, and a good point on which to conclude what, for me, has been an amusing if utterly pointless exchange.
One final thought though - that young doctor will return later this year from the institution you so hate and join the staff at the Navy hospital here in Bangkok, where he will I am sure lead a good and useful life, providing medical care to the Thai people. Thanks to his studies at John Hopkins, he will make a positive contribution to the country. You, by contrast, offer nothing but irrelevant ramblings fuelled by twisted logic, bitterness and hate.
The article is about Somyot
The article is about Somyot being a "political prisoner" when clearly he is Thaksin's propagandist. This can be clearly seen within the pages of his own "Voice of Taksin" publication.
That "young doctor" if he even exists, is studying medicine at School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University? No he is not - and this illustrates the deceitful way in which you craft your arguments. John Hopkins, like any university in the United States is an immense institution with many departments pursuing and carrying out a variety of interests and in many cases operating on behalf of certain special interests.
I am not talking about John Hopkins and their medical program, I am talking about Anwar Ibrahim and his association with the special interest-driven School of Advanced International Studies, which like Harvard's Belfer Center is a complete fraud.
I have not said, though you are attempting in vain to imply, that because one department within a university is conducting immense fraud, that that somehow translates to accusing a medical student of someone being caught up in a web of conspiracies. This is your conspiracy theory, not mine.
Finally, how else would you describe one who believes international bankers and multinational corporations are assets to humanity - when clearly they are trying to replace national governments with a system of global governance they control - other than a corporate-fascist? You are indeed a corporate fascist Robin, as long as you maintain that bankers and multinationals are a force of good rather than evil and exploitation in this world.
The article is about Somyot
The article is about Somyot being a "political prisoner" when clearly he is Thaksin's propagandist. This can be clearly seen within the pages of his own "Voice of Taksin" publication.
That "young doctor" if he even exists, is studying medicine at School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University? No he is not - and this illustrates the deceitful way in which you craft your arguments. John Hopkins, like any university in the United States is an immense institution with many departments pursuing and carrying out a variety of interests and in many cases operating on behalf of certain special interests.
I am not talking about John Hopkins and their medical program, I am talking about Anwar Ibrahim and his association with the special interest-driven School of Advanced International Studies, which like Harvard's Belfer Center is a complete fraud.
I have not said, though you are attempting in vain to imply, that because one department within a university is conducting immense fraud, that that somehow translates to accusing a medical student of someone being caught up in a web of conspiracies. This is your conspiracy theory, not mine.
Finally, how else would you describe one who believes international bankers and multinational corporations are assets to humanity - when clearly they are trying to replace national governments with a system of global governance they control - other than a corporate-fascist? You are indeed a corporate fascist Robin, as long as you maintain that bankers and multinationals are a force of good rather than evil and exploitation in this world.
Tony You lied in a another
You lied in a another thread here that I was a Prachatai contributor. I have never contributed an article to Prachatai. You have not refuted this. I post comments to prachatai like you do (only there are less of mine and they are far more reasonable)
When you clearly have lied about this, why should I bother listening to anything else you say?
Thomas Hoy, your name is on
Thomas Hoy, your name is on that list isn't it? And you do write articles that get re-posted on the regular pro-UDD, pro-Thaksin networks (New Mandala, PPT, etc.,) and you do sycophantically comment here endlessly on Prachatai, a US State Department funded propaganda front? You don't think this all looks a little suspicious?
It is clear you have picked political sides long ago, and therefore your name on that list is suspect - as is Andrew Marshall who mocks dead children and can be found on Twitter making juvenile insults aimed at Thailand's high institutions, and Andrew Walker himself who boldly lied that he had never contributed to a Lowy Institute report, when his own website featured the very report he himself contributed to - never mentioning his name is listed at the bottom.
So no, I'm not a liar, your commenting and mine are very different. You baselessly support everything Prachatai posts - contributing to a sense of false consensus where I on the other hand point out all the facts that Prachatai purposefully hides - including their financial ties to nearly every organization they religiously, unquestioningly repost on a daily basis.
I can't believe that an "academic" like you actually squats in here on this fake US State Department propaganda front! Amazing!
You see Thomas, even when you
You see Thomas, even when you speak of yourself, and any reasonable person would consider that you know yourself best, for TC you can't possibly right.
He's an arrogant and senseless propagandist with no respect for facts or truth. The bigger the lie the better.
First off - the article is
First off - the article is about Somyot being a political prisoner when clearly he is not - he is the propagandist of a convicted criminal and assisted him in his attempt to extra-legally seize power here in Thailand. He is a criminal, his propaganda got people killed, and by examining it, we see that Somyot's defenders, including US-funded Prachatai, and I assume yourself, are the real liars - claiming he is a human rights advocate when throughout the pages of "Voice of Taksin" we see nothing but threats, calls for violence, and crass, manipulative, human exploitative propaganda on par with Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.
"When you clearly have lied about this, why should I bother listening to anything else you say?"
Well, first, you know that it isn't a lie - second, as an "academic" your supposed to examine all the evidence on hand and determine its validity then use logic and reason to examine the implications. Not dismiss out of hand everything someone says because you disagree with them on their definition of "contributing."
And we really must question who is really being dishonest, when you are the one bringing up irrelevant diversions to distract away from the topic of the above article. I dare say this leaves your claims of being more "reasonable" bare as lies.
the article is about Somyot
the article is about Somyot being a political prisoner when clearly he is not
Actually he is, the lese-majeste law is regarded world-wide as a political law used is a political tool by the Palace to enforce conformity of thought. The thought police if you like - and I know you *do* like. Just because this reality is inconvenient to the ever-so-slippery Thais doesn't mean it is incorrect.
He is the propagandist of a convicted criminal
Thaksin's conviction for a very highly subjective 'abuse of office' is widely regarded as bogus, and a thinly-disguised attempt to ensure he could not return to power by a corrupt, palace-sponsored and palace-compliant judiciary. Now if you were to bluster on about the corrupt judiciary in Thailand you would probably be more listened to.
assisted him in his attempt to extra-legally seize power here in Thailand.
By extra-legally you must mean by means of free and fair elections, which Thai Rak Thai and its successors had the gall to win every time. Yes, I think I see. Outrageous of them to keep winning. Outrageous of the Thais to keep electing them. Shoot them all for refusing to believe the palace propaganda
He is a criminal, his propaganda got people killed,
Well, no. propaganda didn't kill anyone. That was the army - well, except for those silly boys and girls who 'ran into the bullets'.
we see that Somyot's defenders, including US-funded Prachatai, and I assume yourself, are the real liars - claiming he is a human rights advocate when throughout the pages of "Voice of Taksin" we see nothing but threats, calls for violence, and crass, manipulative, human exploitative propaganda on par with Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.
No examples? Just bluster? Yes, I think I see. Oh, and, invoking Godwin's rule, you just lost the argument sonny.2 out of 10, must try harder.
"When you clearly have lied about this, why should I bother listening to anything else you say?"
But you just can't help yourself - right? A bit obsessive-compulsive though surely?
as an "academic" your supposed to examine all the evidence on hand and determine its validity then use logic and reason to examine the implications.
Like you do you mean? OK. Pardon me while I laugh my ass off.
And we really must question who is really being dishonest,
'We'? 'We'? Surely that's just you isn't it? Or is your conspiracy nonsense a conspiracy?
Thaksin's UDD fielded
Thaksin's UDD fielded approximately 300 armed militants who as a matter of fact drew first blood on April 10, 2010 by launching an attack, assassinating the command unit of the army riot troops attempting to disperse the protesters. These were "black shirts" admitted to by Sean Boonpracong, UDD English spokesman, and Seh Daeng, who in fact declared he was their leader and was the one to number them at around 300.
We have documented evidence including photographs, video, admissions from UDD leaders, and a myriad of eye witness accounts, many of which can be found in the HRW report you were all so found of cherry picking through - of course - not the part regarding militants firing both M16s and AK47s meaning that it is impossible to tell who killed who - that includes Reuters journalist Hiro Muramoto .
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/12/mainstream-propagandists-tale-of.html tale
I don't doubt that in an urban fire fight troops and black shirts ended up killing civilians by accident - either by mistaken identity, stray fire, or lost nerves - however I have seen no evidence or have heard a single explanation explaining why the military would, as a point of policy, kill unarmed civilians. HRW's report had nothing in it suggesting this.
And the rest of your non-rebuttal is more of the same Robert Amsterdam talking-points, entirely baseless and dependent on a heavy dose of name-calling and belittling.
Thaksin's UDD fielded
Thaksin's UDD fielded approximately 300 armed militants who as a matter of fact drew first blood on April 10, 2010 ...
Allegedly. In any case, they are not 'Thaksin's UDD in the same way that soldiers are the King's army. They are just people who support Thaksin. No command and control linkage has ever been estabished between Thaksin and the UDD.
Just more dodgy associations from you.
These were "black shirts" admitted to by Sean Boonpracong, UDD English spokesman, and Seh Daeng, who in fact declared he was their leader and was the one to number them at around 300.
Allegedly. No 'Black Shirts' have ever been identified and conflicting rumours suggest they are in fact associated with the Red Shirts, the Army and the police.
Just more dodgy assumptions from you.
We have documented evidence
No, you haven't.
Just more dodgy allegations based on dodgy speculation from you.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/12/mainstream-propagandists-tale-of.html tale
Not a single piece of evidence anywhere on either one of these links. Just more dodgy conspiracy theory from you.
I don't doubt that in an urban fire fight troops and black shirts ended up killing civilians by accident
'You don't doubt' is not the same as 'you can show'. Just more dodgy speculation from you.
either by mistaken identity, stray fire, or lost nerves - however I have seen no evidence or have heard a single explanation explaining why the military would, as a point of policy, kill unarmed civilians. HRW's report had nothing in it suggesting this.
The throng just 'ran into the bullets' as loony Suthep explains eh? Crap. Just more dodgy rhetoric and flawed logic from you.
And the rest of your non-rebuttal is more of the same Robert Amsterdam talking-points, entirely baseless and dependent on a heavy dose of name-calling and belittling.
It is very hard to belittle you Tony, in the same way as it is hard to belittle the reasoning power of a buffalo or a lemming. Some things are just inherently stupid, and you are one of those things.
If you have evidence then provide it instead of just dodgy associations, flawed reasoning and stupid conspiracy theory. But of course you won't because you can't.
The world must be a very bewildering and frightening place to someone like you Tony, you're just an idiot.
Sean Boonpracong, told
Sean Boonpracong, told Reuters elements of the army were with their movement, including the black-clad mystery gunmen that took part in the April 10 bloodbath. He stated, "They are a secret unit within the army that disagrees with what's going on. Without them, the black clad men, there would have been a whole lot more deaths and injuries."
The suspected leader of these gunmen, renegade general Khattiya Sawasdipol, known as "Seh Daeng," further damned earlier denials by admitting to commanding 300 armed men trained for ''close encounters'' and carrying M79 grenade launchers, before withdrawing his comment in later interviews.
The HRW report on page 62 states:
"As the army attempted to move on the camp, they were confronted by well-armed men who fired M16 and AK-47 assault rifles at them, particularly at the Khok Wua intersection on Rajdamnoen Road. They also fired grenades from M79s and threw M67 hand grenades at the soldiers. News footage and videos taken by protesters and tourists show several soldiers lying unconscious and bleeding on the ground, as well as armed men operating with a high degree of coordination and military skills. According to some accounts, they specifically aimed at the commanding officers of the army units involved in the crowd dispersal operations, sowing panic among the soldiers. Human Rights Watch investigations concluded this group consisted of Black Shirts deployed among the UDD protesters. "
Then the video & photographic evidence supporting the above:
Video of Black shirts with AK-47s
That UDD militant is carrying an M16 chambering the same 5.56mm round suspected to have killed Hiro Muramoto
This by the way, can all be found in the link you claim contains only "dodgy speculation."
Jesus. I can only barely cope
Jesus. I can only barely cope with your stupidity.
What you show, you complete buffoon, is a backshot of a guy who appears to be wearing a balaclava and who is carrying a rifle. It could be in Thailand or it could be in Palestine. Lebanon of timbu-fucking-too.
Extraordinarily, from this, you deduce the following:
Thaksin pays the UDD, the Black shirts did all the killing in 2010.
The Army never shot anyone.
Seh Daeng ran the blackshirts.
Sean Boonprasong has piles.
Thaksin eats corn flakes with goat's milk for breakfast.
Thaksin has piles too.
Prachatai is a stooge of un-named conspirators trying to bring down the Thai monarchy (why the fuck they would bother is anyone's guess).
etc etc.
You are simply the worst kind of blithering idiot it is possible to imagine.
The image is taken from
The image is taken from AlJazeera and shows the man clearly operating not only in Bangkok, not only amongst Thaksin's red shirt UDD mobs, but also wearing what is clearly a UDD jacket with Democracy Monument on the back. This man is clearly brandishing an M-16 in a tactical manner - an M-16 that chambers the 5.56mm rounds fellow liars like Andrew Marshall claim only the army fired that night.
Al Jazzera report clearly showing M16 wielding UDD militant.
Clearly between that photo, which you claim is fake, the video link above, which you will probably also claim is fake, and the HRW report which clearly states UDD militants fielded by Thaksin had AK-47's and M-16s, which you will probably also claim is fake, indicate Thaksin and his UDD came fully prepared to create a bloodbath in order to blame the government - as their paid lobbyist Robert Amsterdam, ignoring this evidence, has proceeded in doing.
Clearly, this was all included in my research, which you disingenuously claimed to have examined and dismissed as holding no relevant evidence.
You dismiss direct quotes from Sean Boonpracong in Reuters , Guardian's report on Seh Daeng admitting to leading 300 armed militants , and insinuate that instead, I deducted my claims simply from one photo and then flat out lie about other claims I have never made.
Clearly you are a malicious, willful liar, who will say anything, in the face of any evidence, no matter how damning, to perpetuate what you know to be a lie. That is what I have found across the board here at Prachatai - which only further vindicates my conclusion that they are a foreign funded propaganda outfit, not only disinterested in the truth, but prepared to viciously undermine it at all costs.
Clearly you are a malicious,
Clearly you are a malicious, willful liar, who will say anything, in the face of any evidence, no matter how damning, to perpetuate what you know to be a lie. That is what I have found across the board here at Prachatai - which only further vindicates my conclusion that they are a foreign funded propaganda outfit, not only disinterested in the truth, but prepared to viciously undermine it at all costs.
This from you... goodness me.
I do love it when American rednecks start to experiment with irony, it is deliciously funny. Its almost like they are real people for a really short time. Of course it doesn't quite feel right when it becomes apparent they are too dim to even see its ironic.
Lets see how long you and your ilk last when the old boy dies and the propaganda machines grinds to a shuddering halt and you wake up from your fantasy to what is an awful nightmare with a poodle as an Air Commodore and the propaganda castle falls down around your ears.
Not long now Tony, then your paymasters won't be paying you any more and you can go back to making dumb conspiracy theories about 9/11
It is not the mistakes a man
It is not the mistakes a man makes, but how he resolves them that provide a measure of his character and integrity. You made a mistake, and instead of apologizing, you made sweeping, ignorant generalizations doing nothing but degrading yourself (as surely "Anthony Cartalucci, the American redneck" is probably the most ridiculous insult I have had leveled at me to date).
Commentators here at Prachatai pose as intellectually aware progressives - however in your own comment, you reveal yourself as a hateful nihilist, driven by political motivations who gleefully seeks the degradation and destruction of his political opponents. There is nothing intellectual, progressive, or human about this - this is simply the ugly face of human nature peeking out from behind the carefully cultivated facade of progressive ideology Prachatai, Nitirat, the UDD, and PT try desperately to maintain...
And to illustrate how simplistic your attack is against me - insinuating that not only am I a proponent of a particular faction within this power struggle, but that I am paid by this faction - my own writing - if you bothered to read it - clearly states that I promote individual sovereignty. Not the personality cult of Thaksin, not the perpetuation of Thailand's monied elite (of which, ironically, Thaksin is a member of). I promote programs and pragmatism, not political parties and disingenuous policy - on either side.
Follow self-sufficiency and localism to its logical conclusion, and it excludes the possibility of ANY form of monopolistic elitism. I wonder if you can shelve that spite and blinding hate long enough to see it.
You can go look at Somyot's
You can go look at Somyot's propaganda - on behalf of mass murdering billionaire autocrat Thaksin Shinwatra, and decide for yourself if comparing him to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels is appropriate, or too kind - and how Somyot then qualifies as a "political prisoner" and a "human rights advocate."
To my knowledge there was no election held in April of 2010 - just Thaksin's asset seizing verdict which he fielded his mobs and had them slaughtered like pigs by a firefight his own militants triggered. This in a vein attempt to get the government to step down and pave the way for his return. I saw one video and I think you may have too, where red shirts are directing a man with a flag to a certain point upon which the camera is fixated - then they tell him to stop and he is looking at them like a man trying to pose for a picture before a shot blows his head off and he and his brain are splashed onto the concrete. Either those red shirts directing him were soldiers, or the man who shot the flagman was a black shirt sniper - but the gunman and those directors were definitely working together.
You may say that is a bit extreme, even for a mass murderer like Thaksin and his gang, but just remember "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" concerning the coup to oust Chavez and how the opposition had gunmen fire on their own protesters - and realize that the Venezuelan coup makers and Thaksin are all supported by Washington directly.
Tony keeps saying all the
Tony keeps saying all the evidence on Somyot is at 2Bangkok.com. As I have shown in extensive responses, this is simply not the case. He continues to make claims for which he has yet to present one shred of evidence. Because he keeps posting the same thing, he is a serial liar.
tony: A trivial matter, but
A trivial matter, but a revealing one - you question the existence of my niece's husband, the young doctor studying at John Hopkins, as you did the existence of my wife, to whom I referred to in an earlier post. I guess your thought processes are so conditioned by your continual fantasising that you just assume others do the same. Sad.
When your ENTIRE argument is
When your ENTIRE argument is based on anecdotal stories instead of any sort of serious analytical or factual argument, it is more than reasonable for me to question the veracity of what you say.
If I post for your consideration reams of documented evidence...
... and you respond with a story about your "niece's husband" there exists an inequitable intellectual exchange that leaves a substantial burden of proof on you.
Please explain rationally how your niece's husband studying medicine at John Hopkins University has ANYTHING AT ALL to do with Anwar Ibrahim, his clearly US-backed attempt to return to power, and his associations with John Hopkin's School of Advanced International Studies. In what way does your nephew-in-law's medical studies exonerate an unrelated department at the university and those involved with it?
I have submitted for your consideration the compromised Harvard Belfer Center - that does not mean all of Harvard is a compromised den of duplicity, it just means a single department is. Similar mixed-interests can be found at MIT - a university I find is contributing more good than bad - but still has certain departments completely compromised by special interests.
"Robin," please grow up and deal with the facts. I don't care about your nephew or your less than reputable word - if you want to convince anyone you are speaking to the truth, make a serious effort through documented, irrefutable, independently gathered facts - not an anecdote.
I am not a contributor to
I am not a contributor to Prachatai. You lied. Simple
Again, the topic is Somyot
Again, the topic is Somyot not actually being a political prisoner as seen below, he is clearly a violent propagandist in the employ of billionaire Thaksin Shinawatra - not serving some humanitarian cause...
And yes you are a contributor - you just don't write articles for them - you still sit here sycophantically helping them create a false sense of consensus and attack anyone who questions them with off-topic, personal attacks. I consider that "contributing" as you are not an objective participant here - but an ideological squatter.
And since you claim to be an "academic" and sign off your name as such - your support of Prachatai uses your "credentials" to add to the desperate appeal to authority Prachatai, the UDD, and now their rebranding as Nitirat are trying to make.
We disagree on the definition of "contributor," that doesn't make me a liar - and apparently this minor point of contention is all you have - as you are intellectually incapable of addressing any of the on-topic comments I've made before being sidetracked by your juvenile pettiness.
If this passes for academia here in Thailand, no wonder why the education system is in such dire straights.
Tony, you also lied when you
Tony, you also lied when you said that my articles have been reposted on PPT. Nothing I have written has ever been posted on PPT.
You are a serial liar.
It doesn't appear that your
It doesn't appear that your work is featured on Political Prisoners in Thailand - so I am clearly wrong and apologize.
I understand this is your big moment to pounce on me - as we are all going to inevitably make a mistake sooner or later - but I hope you have the integrity to accept my apology and acknowledge that I go through great lengths to document my claims & rarely jump to conclusions as I clearly did.
I don't think it's fair to call me a liar, let alone a "serial liar" because you clearly do associate with all of these websites, they do mention you in their articles, and you do contribute AND write articles for Andrew Walker's ANU New Mandala which in turn collaborates and links back to them all.
I do find your writing for Andrew Walker fairly unsettling - especially because you are an "academic." He censors his forums, is a liar, resorts to very juvenile behavior, and has taken a few hits even from his own supporters when he published totally unsubstantiated claims amidst his campaign to defame the Monarchy, & then claimed that it was ok since he's an anthropologist and was simply studying how people reacted.
Additionally I stumbled across a report he contributed to for the Lowy Institute which has a troubling relationship with all of ANU...
.... that featured Andrew Walker's name on it - when I brought this up, he had the following to very un-academically say...
But clearly, if you scroll down, you will see his name and that he clearly contributed to a Lowy report.
The worst part is, this link is taken DIRECTLY from Walker's own New Mandala website. When I pointed this out, he permanently banned me from his website.
Again, I was clearly wrong - you write for Walker's ANU blog, not its doppelganger, PPT - I sincerely hope you accept my apology.
I'm sorry - here is Andrew
I'm sorry - here is Andrew Walker's very un-academic response to being accused of having contributed to a Lowy Institute report.
But clearly, if you scroll down, you will see his name and that he clearly contributed to a Lowy report.
The worst part is, this link is taken DIRECTLY from Walker's own New Mandala website. When I pointed this out, he censored my comment and permanently banned me from his website.
....and to remind you, this is the explanation as to why it is NOT ok for Walker to masquerade as a liberal-progressive and then consort with the Lowy Institute:
Not only a serial liar but an
Not only a serial liar but an ignorant commentator to boot. Walker hardly needs defending, but just think: he's one of a long list of Thai specialists consulted by those writing an Australian govt funded study (for the Australia-Thailand Institute) of Thai studies and its future in Australia. That makes him some kind of corporate tool? You are either a nincompoop of the first order or a disingenuous purveyor of lies and slanders.
Andrew Walker's New Mandala
Andrew Walker's New Mandala does need defending. You conveniently leave out the myraid of connections between the corporate-fascist Lowy Institute and ANU, and the fact that while Walker's name being on that list is not definitive evidence that he is, like many other ANU 'academics' in the employ or under the influence of the corporate interests represented by the Lowy Institute, the fact that he DENIED it when it was clearly featured on his own website, begins to reek of suspicion.
Considering his "work" in tandem with Prachatai, PPT, and endlessly supporting not only NED-funded frauds in Thailand, but, surprise, NED-funded Bersih in Malaysia and NED-creation Aung San Suu Kyi in Myanmar as well. He's got Robert Amsterdam coming onto his site as a "guest contributor" and while he defends it by saying all opinions are welcome - clearly they are not - as he actively bans anyone of contrary convictions from his site.
And what is happening Albert, is you, like a hysterical clutz in the kitchen, are trying to put out one fire, while starting others in the process - and what you try to incessantly downplay as innocent associations are quickly adding up into an inferno of improprieties and conflicts of interest that have wholly consumed the legitimacy of your arguments.
There comes a point in time where after lifting up every rock and finding US corporate fascist interests behind each and every cog of this Thaksin/UDD/Prachatai/NGO/Nitirat machine, that you have to step back and start asking some meaningful questions - instead of the same tired, incomprehensible excuses.
So yet again your cited
So yet again your cited evidence is shown to be fabricated nonsense, so you just shout it louder and shift the target to suit your own needs. To remind you, your point was: "But clearly, if you scroll down, you will see his name and that he clearly contributed to a Lowy report." You are a tool of fascists and a despicable propagandist. I applaud New Mandala for banning you horrendous lies and fabrications.
Ok, just for Albert, I'll
Ok, just for Albert, I'll repost the Lowy Institute report, from Walker's own New Mandala website, that features his name on the last page as a contributor - so we can all see once and for all how Albert has evidence placed in front of him, and willfully lies about its contents.
Page 15 of 15 of the .pdf.
I claimed he was tapped for one of their reports - Walker says they never contacted him. Clearly it is sitting right on his own website - which he himself published and never mentioned that he contributed to it. Why is he lying? I don't know - but if you look at the Lowy Institute and the corporate-financier interests they represent, and the compromising relationship they have with ANU, it seems as his deceit is covering up a deeper relationship than even his contribution to their report represents.
When you see him working in tandem with US-funded Prachatai, backing NED-funded Bersih in Malaysia, and UK-creation ASSK in Myanmar, but pretends to be a progressive - it is pretty clear he is putting on an act - one he gets very touchy about when people start presenting evidence regarding it.