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Children were literally screaming for peace. Elementary school students at Cesar Chavez Academy in southwest Detroit spoke out for themselves -- stop bullying and stop the violence."I feel scared if they are going to do it to me. I feel scared because they can kill me. I don't like violence at all. Violence affects me because I care about other people and I care about my community," one student said."There is still love. Somebody do still care, and that there is a way of being able to handle conflict without blowing up, you know, going to get a gun," said Dr. Joyce Jones.Stop the Violence Prevention Outreach was designed to let kids be the keynote speakers since they are the faces affected by bullies and the blast of gun violence echoes on their city streets.Wednesday, kids learned about proper conflict resolution and being the change they want to see in the world."They have so many issues, and they need to be heard. They need to express themselves about what's going on," Jones said."What happens is they start acting up, they start doing things because nobody is listening to them."This outreach program was founded by Jones, a peace advocate who recently became one of the thousands of metro Detroiters directly affected by gun violence when her eleven-year-old grandson was shot while he was inside his home sitting on the couch. He was hit once in the chest and in the arm."He's talking. He's walking. The last I heard he wasn't back in school because of the recovery and they had to stitch his arm back up," Jones said.This peace movement will be expanding into more Detroit schools. One day, Jones said her grandson will be strong enough to tell his own story.
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I was craving some live enzymes, so had this awesome salad for lunch. Baby arugula, carrots, some of the red cabbage from yesterday, sprouts and a pear were complimented by 1/4 cup of homemade hummus instead of dressing. 5 points for this HUGE salad.
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I was craving some live enzymes, so had this awesome salad for lunch. Baby arugula, carrots, some of the red cabbage from yesterday, sprouts and a pear were complimented by 1/4 cup of homemade hummus instead of dressing. 5 points for this HUGE salad.
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I feel the same way about shortening. That's why I don't make layer cakes very often - the thought of eating shortening and butter is just too gross, even if it is chocolate!ReplyDelete
Your scramble and salads look totally healthy and delish. I love the picture of the sprouts in progress.
I somehow missed the post below. Buffalo Seitan looks wow!
I have used an actual meat slicer given to me by a friend to slice various seitans. It gets the sliced deli style thin which I like. In the summer I often cook a roast, slice it and leave it hang out in the freezer in portions waiting to be made into a fast sandwich. Dave and the kids really like this kind of thing.ReplyDelete
I have never made a biscuit like that. My son has though and he was pretty good at it.
Awww, sprout babies. They're always so cute when they're still young and they grow up so fast!ReplyDelete
Love the improvised picatta (and the salad + hummus looks fabulous). I love to eat pickled vegetables with hummus -- it's one of those flavour combinations for me, I guess.
Everything looks so good! (Including the biscuit... (blush). I was going to say I have no problem with shortening, as long as it's vegetable and non-hydrogenated, but then I realized I have had the same tub of Spectrum shortening sitting in my pantry for a year and a half! So I guess I'm not too into shortening, either!ReplyDelete
Oh, wow, that seitan does look like turkey breast. I want some! And, I haven't sprouted in so long- I should make a move on that.
Oh, as for Vegan Family Favorites, my recipes are the braised collard greens, the quinoa salad, and one other thing. Maybe a couscous salad? I can't remember! Your good stir-fry sounds excellent!
The first time I bought shortening was to make frosting and that's all I've ever used it for. Even if it is vegan it looks really gross. I love your salad… it just looks so healthy! And your seitan "turkey" is so real looking!!ReplyDelete
Delicious as always! I especially liked your salads - and the sprout babies. Inspired me to put some to sprout today! Thanks a bunch. Hugs and love.ReplyDelete
Wow, Melody, I can't believe how beautiful all these dishes have turned out. I've been catching up on your blog a little, and everything I see is "yum... yum... yum..." It is making me hungry--I think I need to go have lunch!ReplyDelete
What a nice mom/wife you are, Mel. That's so cool of you to make yer loved ones a nice breakfast.ReplyDelete
I don't mind shortening in small doses where it's necessary, but overdoing fats is never a good thing! Overdoing ANYthing is not a great idea. Like i'm telling you something you don't know! What you made, especially that smoothie, sounds sooooooooo good!
And as for seitan & pasta, i'm a lover of 'em, especially together!!
I'm glad yer addicted to blogging, by the way! :o)
I know what you mean about honeydew being high in points. So is mango, 2 points per cup where most fruit is 1 point per cup. That's why I follow the Core program and not the Flex program, because then I can just eat all the fruits and veggies that I want. If I do Flex, I eat less healthy food, because it 'costs' points, so I may not have mango, or butternut squash. Maybe you should try Core, it seems like you pretty much eat that way anyway.ReplyDelete


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S. B. No. 182 was read ?the second time.
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By: Darkknit5 x Show Full PostGuys If you don't have it are still looking to try it out go to -> Mygame9.com , here you can download them from free.Apr 11, 2013 9:52am PDT
By: Jenkins22 x Show Full PostWHY I WILL NEVER DOWNLOAD ANOTHER EPISODE OF WEEKEND CONFIRMED
Before I share the straw that broke the camels back I'd like to make a few points. I started listening to 1up Yours and followed Garnett here. Kinnata is great, his rational opinions and thoughts are a pleasure to listen to.
Andrea is the dullest, most terribly informed dimwit who apparently has has no history of game playing and therefore no frame of reference and I have just had enough of her. I don't play many games myself but I don't appear on podcast.
I'm sorry Garnett, I know you get touchy about "your baby" but the fact is your put that baby in a sack, chucked a brick in too then hurled it into a pond.
Your conversation regarding the Eurogamer article. I urge everyone who thinks Andrea has any credibility to read this link which proves Andrea has been taking kickbacks herself:
She's an absolute joke and terrible hypocrite to boot. It's too late for me, I won't be listening to your podcast again but I'd like to wish Jeff K luck with whatever he does and thank him for the hours of entertainment he gave me. Garnett, thank you too.. I sometimes thought you were a total douche but at least you have a good knowledge of your subject.
I discovered the Bombcast around E3 and it was so refreshing to listen to people discussing games without the constant, inane input from uninformed imbeciles.... I leave you all with this thought:
"but the Wii U doesn't even play CDs"
so longOct 30, 2012 9:59am PDTWHY I WILL NEVER DOWNLOAD ANOTHER EPISODE OF WEEKEND CONFIRMED Before I share the straw that broke th... : Jenkins22
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Thank you for the insightful, well-articulated feedback. A shame you won't be listening to hear the fruit... : Garnett Lee
I get that you are being being dismissive towards a post like that. But don't you agree that it is somewh... : oscarhaglund
Garnett, I'm sorry but the woman is a joke and I don't give a monkey's what her explanation might be. ... : Jenkins22
Respectfully, you should really consider how you word your criticisms. Lacing your opinions with personal... : Shadow13th
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By: Garnett Lee x Show Full PostOfficial thread for your comments to be considered during the games media discussion on the upcoming show.
Last week I started a conversation that I had not prepared adequately for. I saw an image of Geoff Keighley between a Doritos and Mountain Dew display and thought to myself "well, that's a thing we definitely ought to talk about."
This image, though, was just a provocative header for an editorial about a situation where members of the games media were tweeting in hopes of winning a free PS3. The article then led to a larger discussion on the relationship between videogame PR and the people who cover the industry.
Though I fully expect to get raked mercilessly as is the Internet's way, I'm going to give a segment of the show to the subject this week. And then we're going to lay it to rest for a while.
So, I appreciate that tensions have run high, mean things have been said and feelings bruised.. We're going to set that aside. This thread is the place to add your voice to the discussion. I expect you know but just in case, if you come in hostile and aggressive there's not much chance of being heard. But if you're thoughtful, regardless your point of view, you're going to be part of the discussion.Oct 31, 2012 5:00pm PDTOfficial thread for your comments to be considered during the games media discussion on the upcoming show... : Garnett Lee
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Something that is clear with this situation the gaming press at large is not a lucrative career. It be ni... : Mysssss
Who bought a game purely based on a single review? In fact, I think most gamers already made up their min... : GettingWorse
I don't think that's true. Only in the past couple of months I didn't buy several games due to bad review... : Smogrocker
Take a couple of games u mentioned, RE6 and Lollipop Chainsaw. They got mediocre or bad reviews almost al... : GettingWorse
I think more of the fault here may lie with the PR side of this equation and not the game industry press.... : zmansfield
Honestly Giantbomb covered this whole thing well in their latest podcast. They start discussing it 2:30.0... : Vinnymike
I'd like to start the official "how the F%$# did Ubisoft screw up Assassin's Creed 3 so badly?!" thread.
I'm still very early into the game (about 2 hours in), and I've already come close to smashing my game disc with the damn statue that came in the Collector's edition and throwing the entire thing out the window.
* Lack of technical polish.
At times, the game looks incredible. But just as often it looks down right ugly. The visual and audio presentation is constantly marred by strange hiccups and annoying performance issues. EVERY SINGLE TIME you talk to an NPC the screen does this annoying "fade to white" effect while it loads the in-engine cutscene. Lots of games do this, but never have I seen it happen so frequently. The early portion of the game involves a lot of "talk to this NPC, walk 15 steps, talk to another NPC, walk back 10 steps, talk to yet another NPC", etc. With the screen bursting to white at the beginning and end of every single exchange, no matter how short.
During these fade-outs, the audio will often do strange things. You'll hear the ambient sound change to a new environment, then change back, all while the visuals are still loading.
The graphics engine itself is also shockingly inconcistent. There is a moment right at the very beginning of the game that features Desmond walking through a tunnel with a little glow-stick hanging from his belt. I was quite surprised to see that the glow stick did not cast any dynamic shadows through the environment. The lighting just looked all wrong. But then the screen fades to white for an 8 second cutscene, fades back, and suddenly the glow stick IS casting dynamic shadows.
The animations have always been one of the most impressive elements of an Assassins Creed game, but in AC3 they have taken a step backwards. Your character seems to bounce his way up walls and ledges as if he ways 10 pounds, completely lacking the sense of weight or momentum that made the climbing animations so impressive in previous AC games.
* Bad design
I was worried that adding gunplay to AC3 was a bad idea, and so far I've been proven VERY right. The guns completely ruin the combat. Firing them is clunky and not remotely intuitive, and reloading takes FOREVER. Historically accurate? Sure. Fun? NOT AT ALL.
The sword combat is great, but the game puts you into situations that force you to use your guns. One early example is a mission that requires you to escort 2 NPCs while protecting them from enemy patrols. All the enemy NPCs are using muskets, which forces you to engage at least some of them from long range. This devolves into firing a shot, then standing still for a full TEN SECONDS while you reload your gun. Then fire again. Repeat. Dullest. Combat. Ever. I'd much rather just scale the building they are firing from and take them out from close range, except that leads to them firing on the useless NPC teammates I'm supposed to protect.
And the climbing mechanics still haven't been improved. Your character will still seem to get stuck on invisible walls, forcing you to stop your movement until the game randomly decides to allow you to keep going. It's been 5 games guys. Fix this.
* Poor choice of setting / time period
I really cannot figure out why Ubisoft thought it would be a good idea to set a game like Assassins Creed in revolutionary Boston. Florence, Vennice, and Rome were beautiful, charasmatic, and mysterious locations. Boston in AC3 is just.... ugly. It is a dirty, muddy, dull location. To their credit, Ubisoft has done an amazing job of making Boston feel like a living, breathing place... it just isn't a place I'd ever want to go. It fails to create any desire for exploration or discovery; something AC2 thrived on.
Ugh. That's enough ranting for now. Anyone else played this game yet? Am I freaking crazy here, and just missing all the good stuff? I really want to love this game, but so far it is just awful.Nov 01, 2012 12:32pm PDTI'd like to start the official "how the F%$# did Ubisoft screw up Assassin's Creed 3 so badly?!" thread. ... : CruelLEGACEY
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Sooooooo stoked. I'm taking off work all next week!Nov 01, 2012 9:10am PDTLooking forward to the WC crew discuss the clear front-runner for game of the year: http://www.metacri... : MHSilver
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By: Ex-Morpheus x Show Full PostI just can't believe that Andrea is dissing the Wii U while praising the Kinect...
That was - at best - embarassing...
Seriously ? The voice command for Kinect working properly ? This is misleading to people who have not used Kinect before. Kinect is a good idea. Great concept. But the implementation just don't work !!!
Now, as far the Wii U goes, the features that Jeff is talking about ( off Tv screen, touch screen, mutli without spiting screen ) are working perfectly.
So we're comparing Apple and Oranges here.
Now, it's the right of Andrea to not be interested in the Wii U.
She's right by saying that the vast majority of launch games don't push the gamepad features as Zombi U.
That said, I'm surprised that Andrea can diss a system before even the system is out.
Everybody says that the Vita should be given some time, before being judged, can we - at least - give the same treatement for the Wii U ?
I think that the 360 is quite a different system today than in 2005... Look how the 3DS evolved so much in less than 2 years.
So let the Wii U a chance !!!Oct 27, 2012 6:33am PDTI just can't believe that Andrea is dissing the Wii U while praising the Kinect... That was - at best... : Ex-Morpheus
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When someone starts the conversation with "I'm a big fan of Nintendo" you know they're going to use it as... : RidleySaria
I thought Jeff's dismissal of Smart Glass was just as bad. The WiiU being a single touch input will prev... : DevSword
I think that's pretty off the mark, DS. The touch input on the WiiU seems designed for menu selection and... : HockeyJohnston
The screen is the only thing that distinguishes the WiiU from other controllers. Are you suggesting that... : DevSword
I was making a distinction between the touch input and the screen/gyroscope/camera combo. Reread, buddy, ... : HockeyJohnston
I'm also not saying that Smart Glass will be the answer to touch screen gaming, but to read Smart Glass o... : DevSword
???? More modern media platform???? More than just a proposition for game designers??? You do know I c... : Mysssss
Yes but you can also watch that video on your tv with your DVR. The whole point of Smart Glass is to con... : DevSword
But it's not converging anything it's just adding extra steps for the sake of saying its connected. I mea... : Mysssss
Smartglass is a great concept, but it's not like the Wii U. - You just can't develop Zombie U using Smar... : Ex-Morpheus
Like would you be more inclined to do tv out from a tablet to your tv using Apple TV, or using your Xbox ... : DevSword
So if you were sitting in your living room, across from a----well since its you, I'll imagine 500 inch 4k... : DevSword
No I just use the remote to watch tv, and if I felt so inclined to multi task I'd pick up the iPad. : Mysssss
I'm assuming when you say you watch tv on your iPad you're saying you watch some internet service, not t... : DevSword
Also, if you're saying you use your remote to watch tv, and you would pick up your iPad if you cared to m... : DevSword
Yes I'll reach the 3 feet to my coffee table it's not as laborious a chore as you might think. : Mysssss
So if you have an icon next to your thumb, on the tablet you're holding, that will change the channel, yo : DevSword
No is rather not close a app I'm using, and loss my place its not a instantaneous process. : Mysssss
Erg I mean I'm more familiar with ice cream sandwich and its not very difficult to pull up a list of runn... : DevSword
It's also not very difficult to reach arms length for the remote. It's more time consuming to switch apps... : Mysssss
Right, but its impossible to control Netflix or similar apps on your 360 with a tv remote. The point is : DevSword
No silly the 360 remote for that or ps3 remote... You do know both of those work with Netflix... SHOCKING... : Mysssss
So you would rather buy a proprietary remote for your game console, in addition to the one you have for y... : DevSword
For the sake of argument I already bought those remote a long time ago, and given the choice between spen... : Mysssss
Well the Nexus 7 is going $200, and if you don't find the functionality of an tablet useful, I don't thin... : DevSword
It goes a way just not as much as you think in my opinion. Like I said most of what smart glass offers I ... : Mysssss
The point isn't "how far" it goes. The point is its meaning as it relates to the WiiU, the fact that we'... : DevSword
The point is always "how far it goes" if your not doing something new and useful in the tech space. If yo... : Mysssss
You've been doing what smart glass offers with what? The only thing kind of similar I've seen is the uni... : DevSword
What does smart glass do that I can't do with my tablet? Outside of change the channel like a remote. : Mysssss
And just to go to your prior point, you said you yourself spend lots of time watching media on your table... : DevSword
I'm not trying to get shows from my tablet on the TV. If I'm watching the TV I'm using my cable provider.... : Mysssss
So you're telling me there's nothing on Netflix you'd rather watch than what's currently available on you... : DevSword
No but there's always something I want to watch on my DVR, or on demand if you want to go that route. Net... : Mysssss
Cable is a better viewer service because you get the newest best content. But the premium is very steep,... : DevSword
Wrong, you like to watch entire seasons. One day you'll be an adult and realize time does not afford you ... : Mysssss
It doesn't have anything to do with being an adult. It is adults who do it, because they are the ones wi... : DevSword
If Xbox doesn't have the proper services for using smart glass it's like tits on a bull. : Mysssss
Netflix and Hulu are the proper services for using smart glass. Gee, just because they don't have live n... : DevSword
Yes they are proper services, but they aren't as good as a basic cable package. If they were no one would... : Mysssss
How is it easier to watch a show on your tv than it is to watch a show via Hulu---which can be on your tv... : DevSword
When a show ends another begins it's easier to find new shows you like, because of this. Netflix and Hulu... : Mysssss
But there is so much media on the internet dedicated to talking about what shows, books, and movies are r... : DevSword
True but research is harder than just flipping a channel, and that research applies back to cable as well... : Mysssss
Sure that is true that networks stack like shows together. Psh I remember Dawson's Creek Wednesdays and ... : DevSword
No, Hulu isn't missing the most popular shows. Hulu updates as new shows air. Remember? Netflix's libr... : DevSword
Yes I watch one of those shows daily, and eagles vs patriots is America's highest rated show. ... : Mysssss
Netflix is like the second hand shop they have a lot of stuff, but if you want the new stuff find a diffe... : Mysssss
This is how I've always felt about Netflix. Sure you can watch stuff that's out on DVD streaming.....a ye... : ChaosNovaXZ
This is definitely true of Netflix, but Hulu has new shows updates as they air, and a huge back log of ol... : DevSword
Goodmorning America as it airs? Or wake up with rocker? Does it have the cooking channel? And obviously n... : Mysssss
Yup those are definitely valid criticisms. Live television is the one realm that apps haven't taken on y : DevSword
Well it doesn't really make it a flawed service. It makes it not a live news, or sports service. I get : DevSword
You aren't home to watch. : Mysssss
Erghh... yes me not home to watch.. Most people have obligations that time of day. Whats your point? : DevSword
That's a really interesting point, each of the three consoles has a unique way of doing a second screen. ... : Shadow13th
>I just can't believe that Andrea is dissing the Wii U while praising the Kinect... Nintendo doesn't ... : Wuggyboobeaufuf
So Disney bought Lucasfilm/Lucas arts.
Not only are they making 3 new movies without George directing (thank every deity possible) could this mean we get Battlefront 3?
Oct 31, 2012 2:12am PDTSo Disney bought Lucasfilm/Lucas arts. Not only are they making 3 new movies without George directing ... : Shadow13th
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Drinking game for Shacknews' Halo 4 review:
Take a shot every time you see the word "nasty" or a variation of it. ;)
Nov 01, 2012 5:37am PDT
Am I the only one that feels like an asshole when I make my character swim through an icy lake instead o walking around?
Games like Skyrim and AC3 have a lot of snow and when I can see a way of crossing an icy lake/river a little further away that'll take me 30 seconds to reach, I think "ahh, screw it, you can swim".Oct 31, 2012 7:08pm PDTAm I the only one that feels like an asshole when I make my character swim through an icy lake instead o ... : Shadow13th
By: SwittersYoni x Show Full PostDid it bother anyone else that the whole COD discussion was about single player only. Am I crazy or do most people buy that game for the multiplayer? The answer is yes. So shouldn't the conversation when you talk about those games be mostly about the multiplayer?Oct 29, 2012 6:58pm PDTDid it bother anyone else that the whole COD discussion was about single player only. Am I crazy or do m... : SwittersYoni
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If anything bothered me it was how Garnett had to spend 5 minutes explaining why he was giving the best s... : Mysssss
I was thinking that too, but I think it's mainly because Teryarch is trying to do some different things w... : ChaosNovaXZ
I think this is the common disconnect between press and gamers. The press is pretty much a single player ... : Mysssss
I'm pretty sure Jeff C. has mentioned numerous times that he only plays the single player portion of COD.... : Runnermatt
And a lot of people will find single-player talk boring, which is why the fact they only talk about singl... : ChaosNovaXZ
Am I the only one who feels like multiplayer gaming in general really gets the short end of the stick whe... : CruelLEGACEY
On the single-player side, sure. They made quite a few bad changes to multiplayer that makes even MW2 ... : ChaosNovaXZ
I haven't played CoD since Modern Warfare 2, I love me some BF3, but both games are all about multiplayer... : SwittersYoni
By: CampKusoge x Show Full PostWith regards to the whole mouse k/b thing:
I'm reminded of the 90s, back when the RTS genre was starting to come into it's own, and the old purists insisted that turn-based was the only "true" form of strategy game. Real-time strategy was "dumbing down" the strategy aspect of those games and making them into contests to see who could click the fastest.
Maybe it is a generational thing, but at 29, I'm certainly old enough to remember when lowly consoles games were deemed as twitchy cartoon playthings for small children with short attention spans, and the almighty PC was the home of the thinking man's games. Even at the time, the argument seemed disingenuous to me. It would be no different than if I were to claim that PC games are for chin stroking intellectual wannabes and console games are for people with actual gaming skills. To be clear, I don't believe that for even a moment, but you get the idea.
It's not about the input method itself or which one is better, it's about the attitude implicit in digging one's heels in the sand over one side or another. To play whatever feels most comfortable is always the best choice. Calling controllers on the PC an "abomination," however, betrays an unflattering perception of what console gaming is actually about.Oct 29, 2012 3:06pm PDTWith regards to the whole mouse k/b thing: I'm reminded of the 90s, back when the RTS genre was starti... : CampKusoge
Andrea is completely right that the Kinect voice commands are really helpful. I find they allow me to side-step many of the complaints Garnett voiced about the dashboard (you don't have to sort through a bunch of stuff; just say what you want and it pops up in front of you).
The Kinect is a total pain in the ass once you find the content you were looking for.
For example:
I sat down with my wife to watch the latest episode of Forward Unto Dawn. I used voice commands to pull of Waypoint, and jumped in. Great.
But while we were watching the episode, the fucking Kinect kept thinking we were trying to wave at it every time we shifted positions slightly. The stupid cartoon "waving hand" kept poping up on screen. It was annoying as hell, so I walked over to my Xbox and unplugged the Kinect.
Big mistake. It booted us out of the video player. I had to plug the Kinect back in, restart Waypoint, watch the 30 second add before the show AGAIN, then find our previous spot in the video. We just had to put up with the "waving hand".
NOT a smooth experience, Microsoft :-/Oct 30, 2012 7:44am PDTAndrea is completely right that the Kinect voice commands are really helpful. I find they allow me to sid... : CruelLEGACEY
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And communism. : CampKusoge
Also, that hand waving icon is annoying as hell. But, like the Star Wars prequels, it's a disappointment ... : Shadow13th
lol good point :) : CruelLEGACEY
The main problem with World War II shooters wasn't that there were too many of them. It's that they all focused on the same parts of the war. An innumerable amount of books, movies, and other material covering huge parts of WWII combat that no shooter has even touched.Oct 31, 2012 12:21pm PDT
I don't know if I've posted about this here before, but I'd actually like to defend RE6. Just a little bit.
I'm not saying it's an excellent or even great game. I'm saying that there actually was a really good game buried in there somewhere. I think calling it "unplayable" reeks of massive hyperbole.
Let's get things straight - the story was as nonsensical as RE ever is, the franchise has dropped all pretense of survival horror, the vehicle sequences are utterly unnecessary, and the constant QTEs and scripted events are pretty terrible. There is a lot wrong with RE6, but there were times when I actually enjoyed the core gameplay loop a lot.
The problem is that RE6 does a horrible job of teaching people how to actually play it, because when played right it's nothing like Gears or really any other third person shooter. It controls like those games (with a frankly impressive amount of tweaking options) but the way you're supposed to do things is different.
The game does almost nothing to tell players about the dodging abilities, the weapons that affect each enemy the most, how to set up enemies for melee kill-shots, or really any of the special moves you can do that become important to surviving the game. I didn't even discover most of the coolest gameplay elements to RE6 until Jake's 3rd chapter - after I'd played all of Leon and Chris.
Jake's first two chapters were crap, but the game clicked for me the first time I tossed out a flash grenade to daze some enemies, equipped my remote mines, dashed and slid past said enemies, and planted the mine at their feet mid-slide.
In an interview one of the main designers from Capcom even noted how a full tutorial was the one major thing he didn't get the chance to put into the game.Oct 31, 2012 12:09pm PDT
Let me just say one thing about Medal of Honor Warfighter - the PC version on max settings looks absolutely insane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhWGlb9p2y8
If this is what next gen looked like I'd be satisfied.
Oct 31, 2012 11:59am PDT
By: Ex-Morpheus x Show Full PostCan you please discuss the 3DS from time to time please ?
There was a great Nintendo Direct with plenty of games annoucement for the Eshop.
Why this is not covered ?
That was great to hear impression form Jeff C last week on Paper Mario by the way.Oct 27, 2012 8:10am PDTCan you please discuss the 3DS from time to time please ? There was a great Nintendo Direct with plent... : Ex-Morpheus
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By: yami4ct x Show Full PostIn your interface talk, I think you guys missed a big problem with the new Xbox Dashboard. It fundamentally doesn't work. Even navigating it with a controller is painful. It's so slow to load, populating lists of games or movies takes ages, and finding any piece of content not using their search engine is impossible. If the thing loaded quickly and didn't hitch up al the time, it'd be 100 million times more useful. I've stopped using my 360 for multiplatform games at this point. I know on my PS3 I can just pop in a disk or click a downloaded game and it will load up quickly and cleanly. The fact that Microsoft let performance be sacrificed this much is, quite frankly, idiotic.Oct 26, 2012 11:04am PDTIn your interface talk, I think you guys missed a big problem with the new Xbox Dashboard. It fundamental... : yami4ct
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I didn't listen to the podcast yet, but I could not possibly agree more to your sentiments regarding the ... : bebopdabebop
I don't know how it would be a good thing if I had to choose between useless installed data taking up spa... : DevSword
Cliff Bleszinski @therealcliffyb
Hey, Capcom. Call me. We can fix Resident Evil. Together. :-)
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CAPCOM, DO IT!!!Oct 28, 2012 9:43am PDTCliff Bleszinski @therealcliffyb Hey, Capcom. Call me. We can fix Resident Evil. Together. :-) F... : MHSilver
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Why is that a good thing? Unless Cliffy has some other side to his game making he hasn't shown. The Ge... : Rvancetal
I think in terms of pure talent and understanding for enjoyable gameplay mechanics, CliffyB is worlds ahe... : MHSilver
I could not possibly disagree more. CliffyB would completely ruin the RE franchise. For all the crap RE6 ... : bebopdabebop
CliffyB definitely understands fun gameplay mechanics, something RE doesn't have, so I'm inclined to agre... : ChaosNovaXZ
For the love of god, no. RE is douchey enough as it is. : Wuggyboobeaufuf
Anyone playing AC3 yet?
Any impressions?
Personally I'm loving it to bits. I've played a lot of excellent games this year, borderlands 2, Sleeping Dogs, but as soon as I started playing AC3 it's clear this game is in its own league, it's super confident and if it was any more polished it would be a trip hazard.
Full disclosure disclaimer: I was in fact paid a large sum of tommohawks by Ubisoft before posting this.Oct 30, 2012 2:34pm PDTAnyone playing AC3 yet? Any impressions? Personally I'm loving it to bits. I've played a lot of exc... : Shadow13th
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Yup. The little twist at the end of Chapter 3 nearly made me chuck my controller. It wasn't huge, but I s... : ChaosNovaXZ
SPOILERS I played a few hours last night and most of today. So, I can't wait till I get to the part wh... : Shadow13th
Just got to that plot twist. It was spoiled for me though from reading the animus updates. : Shadow13th
I am adoring the game, but I'm fully aware of my inherent bias toward this series because of my investmen... : MHSilver
I totally agree dude. I'm about 8 hours in and loving every minute. Halo will probably take the cake for ... : ChaosNovaXZ
By: textomatic x Show Full PostI'm a Microsoft fan boy. I own a Xbox 360, Windows 8 computer, and a Windows Phone. From my experience with the new windows interface (the name that Microsoft gives to the tiles interface) the reason that I feel it doesn't work on the Xbox 360 is because you cannot customize your tile placement like you can on Windows 8 and Windows Phone. In the latest Xbox 360 update there is now a new tile called My Pins where you can pin your go-to apps/games. It comes up as one of the tiles after you log in. It does cut down on the time navigating through the menus and I highly recommend everyone using this feature. What Microsoft should have done is have the Xbox boot up straight into the My Pins area and let us customize our tiles like they do on the PC and Windows Phone and let us venture out in to the rest of the interface if we wish to discover new content. But that is not the case. Anyway, if you use the My Pins tile the Xbox becomes much easier to use. But still the apps take long to launch and if you want to close one app and go to another prepare to wait a while. It is awfully slow. I am a fan of the Live Tiles on my Windows Phone and Windows 8 PC. It works for me. But on the Xbox 360 it just doesn't. The combo of the 360's aging hardware and Microsoft's decision to not let us customize Tile placement make the Xbox an exercise in patience. Now I only turn on my Xbox 360 if I know exactly what I want to do. I no longer "explore" for content on it.Oct 30, 2012 7:05am PDTI'm a Microsoft fan boy. I own a Xbox 360, Windows 8 computer, and a Windows Phone. From my experience ... : textomatic
By: Garnett Lee x Show Full PostOn the subject of the PR-media editorial on Eurogamer, we used the image from that story as a starting off point for our discussion.
The editorial subsequently caused even greater fallout as events unfolded over its core content about the participation by media members in a twitter contest to give away a PS3.
That wasn't what we talked about, and I'm reluctant to get back into the subject this week though we can.
But to those interested, if you have not already, read Robert Florence's follow up http://botherer.org/2012/10/26/guest-post-robert-florence-on-the-last-few-days/ on how things spiraled.Oct 29, 2012 2:50pm PDTOn the subject of the PR-media editorial on Eurogamer, we used the image from that story as a starting of... : Garnett Lee
By: Wuggyboobeaufuf x Show Full PostI don't think Garnett and Jeff are giving the audience enough credit when they say "The audience doesn't want journalism". Completely disagree.
It's like saying people only want to read fluff entertainment pieces instead of hard news. It just simply isn't true. There are people who want to know how the industry works, especially those who want to work in it.
Saying that no one wanted an investigation into the 38 Studios debacle, for example, just isn't correct.
I'm disappointed that you guys (and pretty much every journalist in the industry this week) all immediately brush off any notion that people that write about games are too cozy with PR people as "bullcocky" or "conspiracy theory". As soon as it's mentioned, you circle the wagons and form a defense line. A lot of people see a problem with *that*, and rightly so I think.
As for "I wish people cared this much about shit that really mattered".
I think people's perception of how you do your job *does* matter. If you *appear* to be bought off, whether you are or not, how is that going to affect your career and reputation?
To be fair, Jeff C has a point about being more concerned about things like the election.
Garnett has a point that Jeff K is more of a presenter now, which is true, but the site *currently* issues reviews. If Gametrailers was simply trailers and Jeff's video pieces, I don't think people would make *as* big a deal, although I think people would still question how the game is covered on their site.
Andrea - Personal relationships with PR is the norm in a lot of industries. Getting free swag and free games is not.
I cannot seriously believe Garnett is trying to compare advance press coverage with getting free PS3s. If you're not I'm sorry, but that's the way it came across.
Garnett - I guarantee that no one thinks it's suspicious if someone goes to E3, tries a demo and gives it a favourable impression. However, if you go on a trip paid for by the company and then write a favourable impression, that's going to make people sit back and think "Hmmmm".....
It's all about how it's presented. Come on, I would think that's obvious to everyone.
As for what people want, they want coverage that comes across as objective, and I think that applies to people who read all kinds of journalism - except Fox News watchers maybe.
I will say that I actually think WC/Shack has solved part of the problem by having sponsors that are only peripherally related, which helps a lot.
Most people were mostly making fun of Jeff K for what happened. What happened right after that (and what you didn't talk about) is what people are upset about.
Robert Florence wrote a piece on Eurogamer including the name of one person, Lauren Wainwright. . That person's parent company *allegedly* threatened to sue Eurogamer, because of the libel laws in the UK. Eurogamer then turned around and edited the article and removed the "offending" part of the article. Now Florence is out of a job, but it's not been specified whether he left or was fired.
Wainwright tweeted a promo thingie for a chance at a free PS3, the tweet was something enthusing Tomb Raider. Turns out she's a freelancer for Square Enix, so there's a definite conflict of interest. Now it looks like she used her parent company to force Florence to retract his pointing out her conflict of interest and got him fired.
THIS is why people are so furious, because this is a prime example of what you guys are talking about. There's no opinion here and no trust based on her actions, because whether she is or not, now she looks like a shill for Squeenix.
This was the important part of the story and you guys didn't even touch on it. Totillo is on Neogaf right now saying "it's a non-story".
Once again, the wagons are circled, the defenses are raised. "Nope, there's no problem in games writing" (since you don't want to call it journalism).
This is important because people in all walks of life should be accountable for how they do their job and games writers seem to think they are above it. I can't say I'm particularly surprised that you guys didn't cover the important part of this story, but I am damn disappointed in you for not doing it. This is the kind of games journalism I think that people would like to see.
Oct 27, 2012 10:31pm PDTI don't think Garnett and Jeff are giving the audience enough credit when they say "The audience doesn't ... : Wuggyboobeaufuf
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They say no one wants real journalism in video games but then continually complain and cry about the rest... : boriqueno17
The one thing I have always agreed with Jeff about is his wish you guys took things that really mattered ... : spidlb
Just to clarify, I think you're elaborating on Garnett's thoughts by claiming he said 'the audience doesn... : Shadow13th
I will state it differently. The audience that wants to hear about games--what's coming, what's out, wha... : Garnett Lee
I agree with you 100% that there is call for there to be more game journalist that do inside stories that... : SwittersYoni
By: hazord-effect x Show Full PostSo all of Andrea Rene's comments about how great the Connect is, was basically her saying that its a an overpriced microphone with some sub-par voice recognition software. Just saying...and yes that is sarcasm.Oct 26, 2012 12:32pm PDTSo all of Andrea Rene's comments about how great the Connect is, was basically her saying that its a an o... : hazord-effect
By: Wuggyboobeaufuf x Show Full PostDear Jeff C.
You say you stand by your opinions, but let's clarify something.
This discussion did not arise because we are "jealous" of Geoff Keighley.
To infer that suggests you have a gross misunderstanding of the listening audience of this podcast.
Considering some of your past opinions on certain topics in gaming, such as on-disc DLC and Bethesda releasing faulty games for the PS3, your track record would suggest that misunderstanding is deliberate. Also, it indicates you don't hold a very high opinion of gamers.
You owe the listeners an apology.Oct 29, 2012 7:28am PDTDear Jeff C. You say you stand by your opinions, but let's clarify something. This discussion did... : Wuggyboobeaufuf
By: SwittersYoni x Show Full Post2008 Games Journalism - Gaiden Guide http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xQeQ39m_38A
Oct 29, 2012 2:39pm PDT2008 Games Journalism - Gaiden Guide http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xQeQ39m_38A... : SwittersYoni
By: flanker33 x Show Full PostJeff Canatta is right deleting shit off the hdd is a complete clusterfuck on ps3.
The only reason they would make deletion obtuse is to get people to upgrade the HDD. Which is a weird motivation considering PS3 doesnt use a proprietary HDD so they're not even doing it right.Oct 26, 2012 12:21pm PDTJeff Canatta is right deleting shit off the hdd is a complete clusterfuck on ps3. The only reason th... : flanker33
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What is so difficult about deleting anything off the ps3? Like what makes it such a pain, I'm just curio... : boriqueno17
So what's is so bad about that pic of Geoff Keighly sitting beside the Doritos and Mountain Dew?
Let me just say that I agree with a lot of people that there's a lot of worrysome behaviour in games journalism and I agree with what the Eurogamer article says about the worries of games journalism and the need for more separation between PR and journalsim.
But why is that pic so horribly offensive? What is he doing in that photo? Am I missing some context? He looks kinda uncomfortable sitting there. He looks like he might have been causally snapped while sitting for a second. Or was he promoting the products? I don't know. Until I know the context of that photo I can't think anything good or bad about Geoff Keighly, he's just ... sitting there, unaware, being a conduit of huge controversy.Oct 27, 2012 2:58pm PDTSo what's is so bad about that pic of Geoff Keighly sitting beside the Doritos and Mountain Dew? Let m... : Shadow13th
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Allow me to declare myself an idiot for not finding this earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rbU0mzo... : Shadow13th
Jesse (yes, the body) Ventura is an outspoken, independent politician who was the governor of Minnesota. ... : bebopdabebop
You think Kieghley was paid handsomely by Doritos/Mountain Dew/Microsoft for sitting there? I do you thin... : Shadow13th
By: dozerking x Show Full PostGreat show as always crew.
To the Mouse and Keyboard point, I think it is a generational thing. At 35 y/o, I still love my Mouse and keyboard over a controller any day. BF3? Fantastic with a mouse and keyboard, couldn't stand playing that with a controller. Put any fast paced shooter on there for that matter, CoD, TF2, L4D, even those of us who play Quake Live (Yes G, Quake is still alive!).
I think there are still a ton of mouse and keyboard players out there, but have gotten older and quit the internet arguments that have gone on for the last decade and a half. Not to mention, I believe most PC Gamers play on consoles too, not looking at it as a this vs. that kinda thing like it was in years past.
Oct 26, 2012 3:12pm PDTGreat show as always crew. To the Mouse and Keyboard point, I think it is a generational thing. At... : dozerking
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Oh sweet mercy. I couldn't not contain my audible laughter at your bit on breaching. I was laughing like an idiot in public.
Cheers!Oct 29, 2012 6:26am PDT
Hey guys,
I mentioned this in the thread last week, but I've released it now so here is a link:
Transformers: Fall of Cybertron Multiplayer Guide
I'd love to know what you all think!Oct 28, 2012 9:49pm PDT
By: TV_Guy x Show Full PostI've been listening to the show for quite a while now, but it took the discussion about video game "journalism" to actually get me to create an account and weigh in. I spent about 12 years working as a broadcast journalist before moving on to teach media and communication at the university level. While I am now in academia, I still have strong ties to the journalism profession.
That's the key word-- profession. Journalists are professionals, not merely in the sense that they do journalism for a living, but also that they have formed a broad community or culture that shares a set of ethical standards for conduct within the profession. Of course, there are exceptions and people on the fringe in any profession-- doctors, lawyers, plumbers, and yes, journalists-- but in general a profession has an agreed on set of standards and it polices itself.
Mainstream journalists-- those who work in newspapers, television, radio, and increasing online-- are not only concerned about conflicts of interest. They are also concerned about the *appearance* of a conflict of interest.
I could write on at great length about how mainstream journalists avoid such conflicts (or sometimes fail to do so), but let me simply emphasize the most important point: video games journalism, or whatever you want to call it, is a young profession. So young, in fact, that one may not be able to truly call it that, at least not yet. As a practice, it has not been institutionalized-- games journalists have not come together to create any sort of organization that can codify ethical behavior, at least not successfully. That would be a good first step.Oct 27, 2012 1:02am PDTI've been listening to the show for quite a while now, but it took the discussion about video game "journ... : TV_Guy
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I think they interpreted the "outrage" over like that Geoffe Keighly photo a little too sensitively. I m : DevSword
As much as you've hated on Halo's story in the past (and I agree!)...I really want you (and other Halo ha... : ChaosNovaXZ
Yeah, and its not even about hating Halo's story line. Its like why don't we take a minute to unpack thi : DevSword
Not to discount your experience, but there is still a relationship between Journalist and government cont... : spidlb
Don't know if this has already been posted, cause I missed out on the thread last week.
But anybody who has ever used games as an outlet for ANYTHING should watch this short film about a girl who uses Zelda to cope with some difficult stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4B9ytjJKJPEOct 26, 2012 4:18pm PDTDon't know if this has already been posted, cause I missed out on the thread last week. But anybody w... : MHSilver
By: spidlb x Show Full PostThe very scenario Andrea brought up is the exact scenario I use everyday when she talked about using Kinect's voice search. I totally disagree that the dashboard has gotten worse. With Bing search I think it is the best dashboard to date in order to find items. I don't want to play menu hero when I can just say want I want and get to in seconds.
With the addition of IE the only thing Bing search is missing is access to my dvr.Oct 28, 2012 8:54am PDTThe very scenario Andrea brought up is the exact scenario I use everyday when she talked about using Kine... : spidlb
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Tell that to Google... : spidlb
Google isn't trying to design a UI. That being said that bar on the top of Google is extremely efficie... : Rvancetal
really not talking about a dedicated search engine. It's about search vs. good design. Hey if search ... : Runnermatt
"X Box, Bing Bang Bus." : CampKusoge
What about the people who don't have a Kinnect? Should you have to pay a $150 fee for the privilege of a... : DevSword
I kinda disagree. While I adore voice search, and it's the most effective way of finding anything, jus... : Shadow13th
By: standardstock x Show Full PostSomeone from Riot Games needs to be invited onto the show, their office is in Santa Monica! There hasn't been a single video game company within the past few years that has been as innovative as Riot. I want to know more about their decision making process. Where do they see online gaming going within the next few years? What issues are problematic for the industry and how do they plan on addressing them?Oct 28, 2012 5:52pm PDT
By: Rvancetal x Show Full PostSo GTA: V
PS3, 360 no WiiU advertised on the PR
Big Deal or Not?Oct 28, 2012 11:13am PDT
By: Rvancetal x Show Full PostI glad to here someone else in public that still needs to be sold on the WiiU. For me it all stems from something further back, I have not been able to get the DS or 3DS to be enjoyable experiences at all and the influence of those two devices is clear as day on the WiiU hence my trepidation. It all feels like an exercise in how much stuff can we cram into this which is something I am always wary of. I like my hardware the same way I like my interfaces and my software. Razor sharp and to the point.
The WiiU feels like a something for everyone device and that mindset which should prove useful for their pocketbooks doesn't inspire hope from me as a consumer.
My biggest fear is how this approach will affect the other 2 console designers in the next gen and that worries me, it is already creeping in with SmartGlass which looks to just be an Artbook only digitized and displayed while you play, which I don't want to view while I play.
Also how much do you guys wanna bet they aren't selling the controller in NA at launch is partly because they are going to do a WiiPad XL with Multi-Touch at sometime in the future.
(I do really want to play Monster Hunter though, fucking Capcom and their being a traitor to the PS2 then the PSP)
Oct 28, 2012 5:11am PDT
By: Smogrocker x Show Full PostRegarding the relationship between the press and game company's PR departments, I want to bring up a comparison I face daily at work:
I work for a car manufacturer and of course newly released cars are sent to the biggest magazines and websites so as to get coverage of it out there. Similar to video game sites, over the long run no magazine could possibly afford to buy all the cars they want to test. And of course there is already much contact at trade shows etc so that people know what to expect in the coming months/years.
And when buying a car the risk, effort and involvement is even much higher than with video games so you really want to be able to rely on an outlet's verdict. That's why in both industries their integrity is so holy to them. If word gets out that product reviews are colored/tainted that particular outlet will go down very quickly.
That leads me to the question: Did GameSpot take any actions after the episode with the soon-to-be GiantBomb guys? Was the manager that asked for a better review fired? How did they handle that in order not to harm their reputation in the long run?Oct 26, 2012 2:05pm PDTRegarding the relationship between the press and game company's PR departments, I want to bring up a comp... : Smogrocker
By: Mysssss x Show Full PostCan't wait for Ariel to be on the show and some all star talk. 8 questions I'd like answered.
Her favorite character? And why?
Favorite stage? And why?
Favorite item? And why?
And her most epic defeat? Those ones always stick more, but of course epic win?Oct 26, 2012 6:22pm PDTCan't wait for Ariel to be on the show and some all star talk. 8 questions I'd like answered. Her favo... : Mysssss
By: silentdante x Show Full PostJust wanted ot say my thoughts on the whole selling out or PR relationships with "game journo's"
my thoughts are this, look at the world as everyone is a human, some of us are rich, some poor, some fat some thin, some smart some not. some people in "game journo" get to play games, and GET PUT ON A PEDESTAL just because he or she gets to talk about games that other people listen to. this fact alone makes it possible for anyone trying to sell or get a game recognized use that persons pedestal to try and get the game "out there".
so yes while i respect people in "games journalism" i also know that if i suddenly put them on a pedestal about how "oh they know games the best and i must listen to what they say almost as verdict" then i have become the problem, not that they may have used a hashtag for a game or anything because of a PR person who got to them. i will go look at the game MYSELF and use the thoughts and words of the person i respect as a guidline to MY OWN THOUGHTS.
the problem with the world today is things are SO EASY for people to not think for themselves or form opinion that may be different then those they see as a hero or on a pedestal of respect like muscisians, politicians, tv/movie stars, radio DJ's, that what happens is they dont even try. how many times do you ask someone a question because thats easier then googling it for yourself and owuld take the same amount of time to finsd out. it's just where most of society has gotten, this is why it only takes one person to tweet or say something that is a blantant lie, to go viral and become the "truth" because of societal concerns.
so the message is, think for yourself, study things, it wont waste your life to take the time to form your own opinions based on knowledge, not what you have "heard/read". look at how much meta critic is used for bonuses and probably purchases by people, because most people just use review scores to tell them what they like, because its easier and has worked for them in the past.
/end rant
sorry if this made no sense or is gramaticaly bad or has bad spelling, it was more of a stream of conscious type of rant. thanks for having a website and podcast that allows this kind of rant/thought, and thankyou for talking about it.Oct 26, 2012 11:13pm PDTJust wanted ot say my thoughts on the whole selling out or PR relationships with "game journo's" my th... : silentdante
By: DevSword x Show Full PostI was kind of surprised that no one mentioned the PS Store's metro-esque redesign in that segment about UX, and the future of consoles. Sometimes I think these people exist in a vacuum designed to trap embargoed games and deflect current gaming news.Oct 27, 2012 9:07am PDTI was kind of surprised that no one mentioned the PS Store's metro-esque redesign in that segment about U... : DevSword
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Sure hope this is close to what you described, lol!
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Lemme tell ya I really had to dig deep on this one lol
Lemme tell ya why... Obviously I didn't read everything otherwise I would have noticed that it said a Christmas theme so I was going with something totally different until I get to part 4 where it said ornaments and trees lol. I was like oh what a pickle I am in now lol. So I searched and I searched and I happened upon a very old kit in my stash and it is from 2008 called Christmas Magic and its a GDS collab and lo and behold it assisted me quite nicely in obtaining the effect I needed. This is a reminder to self for the future to read everything lol. Okay anyways lol Here is mine. I hope it is like what we're supposed to be going for lmao
Brooke, it looks wonderful! Those colabs are great and you can find some awesome stuff in them!
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Hmm, guess I'm in the minority on that! I don't at work really other than to just say oh I'm not really all that religious or something like that. And I would say that most of DH's family doesn't know we are agnostic and don't really talk about it with them. They are all believers...Catholic and Lutheran....and the one uncle and grandpa are REALLY into church. Just not in a pushy way.
My family is probably mostly believers but wouldn't call themselves christians and none go to church except me. LOL I would say spiritual would be a better word though my dad is kind of atheist.
My BFF and I talk about stuff like this...well mostly it's through email since we're in different cities and she likes to discuss things about as much as do though I'm way more out there than she is. And religion is a biggie we have talked about many times. She was raised with it but her DH is Hindu and that is what they are raising their kids with. Very complicated but interesting to learn more about.


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After explosions went off near the finish line of the Boston Marathon leaving three dead and 144 injured, it seemed fair that TV's late night hosts would start their opening monologues not with jokes, but with some words about the day's tragic events. While Jimmy Fallon, David Letterman, and Jay Leno aired reruns Monday night, Conan O'Brien (originally from Boston), Jimmy Kimmel, and Craig Ferguson jumped right in to discussing the pain of the shocking bombings.
Conan O'Brien: ''We have a great show for you tonight. But first, I did want to start by mentioning what an upsetting and sad day it has been. I'm talking about what happened in Boston. Boston's my hometown. It's where I grew up. It's where my family lives. So I wanted to take a moment to say that like everyone here, my thoughts and prayers are with the people of Boston and everybody who has been affected by this absolutely senseless act. It's important to say, right up top. That said, it is our job to do a show, and we're going to try and entertain you the vey best we can. Which, given our track record, gives you people a 20% chance of having a good show tonight.''
Jimmy Kimmel: ''Well, it was a terrible day. Very bad things happened today for no good reason. And our thoughts are with the people of Boston and everyone who is suffering as a result of the bombings at the marathon. It's a disgusting thing. I don't understand it. But my job is to make you laugh, so I will try to do that. And I will probably fail. I'm failing already.
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Kemommy! Great to have you back!!!
Kemommy! Great to have you back!!!
I was thinking about suggesting porn next time as well. Thank you for that! I need links to your charts ladies!Kelly what browser do you use when you come in here?
Karen...I use Google chrome on my tablet
Eta: My opk/hpts are coming today !!!
And ff changed my cross hairs to broken lines...they were solid yesterday morning. I'm not convinced I o-ed, lol, and apparently they aren't either !
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I ordered 25 cheapie tests from amazon and they should be here in the next day or two. I am nowhere near testing though. Olivia pulled a late middle of the nighter on me and was up until 2 AM and then my phone messed up so my alarm didn't go off this morning so I didn't get to temp. On a good note, I have lost another 2 lbs already this week since I quit BF!
Oh sheesh Rachel ...you guys have had so much sickness this winter (((hugs)))! Praying you're all 100% very soon!!
My opks/hpts are here !!! LOL, I saved my fmu and hpt was a bfn which I expected but wanted to make sure since my ta-tas are so sore . Opk was also a bfn but darkish this afternoon so if I haven't o-ed yet hopefully it won't be long ! Going to do another opk around 8pm.
I ordered my wondfo HPTs!! Yay! Hopefully they arrive soon. I would like to start testing in 5 days Even though FF says I didn't O until CD 12 and we DTD CD 10 Blah.
Karen, don't give up. With my last pg, we bd on cd 13 and I didn't O until cd 17. There's still hope!!!
Karen ...I hope they come soon!! So exciting ...! (((Hugs)))....we used to only BD every 3rd day, we've never done it more than that during O
I'm on cd 14 and ff still has broken cross hairs on cd 9. My 8pm opk last night was bfn so I skipped BD. I'm hoping to O within a week...eep, it can't get here fast enough !!!!
Eta- Rachel, I here you...even with the opk cheapies it can get expensive depending on how often you test and even with frequent testing you can miss the lh surge. I think I'm addicted though...yet another reason not to start !!!
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I've been stalking all of you but I think I'm ready to post now.
Karen there is a very good chance that DTD on cd 10 could get you pregnant (if you O'd on 12)
Kelly that's good to hear that you conceived by DTD way before Oing....I know sperm can live up to 5 days, they say, but I've never heard of it happening to anyone.
Rachel how much had you been bfing in the last couple months before you weaned?
DH and I have always said that we didn't want an oct, nov, dec, jan, feb or march baby. Well now that the time has come to try for a nov baby DH still doesn't want to try. (We did try for October even though we said we didn't want to). But now he's not budging for November . I asked him what he'd do if I just jumped him and made him have sex with me lol ...he said he would pull out or wear a condom I know I said I didn't want a winter baby but at this point, I just want a baby!!!!
I want to talk to him again to let him know that I really want to try one more time (before waiting to conceive in July) but I can't take the disappointment. I was super depressed for days after be told me he would pull out I don't want to go through that again. If I seduce him and he turns me down then I think I would just die!!!
Oh Cookie, how exciting!! Praying for a couple of reeeally good follies on Friday !!!
DH and me DTD a full 3 days before O with our first. It definitely happens!
We probably won't be trying next cycle because I don't want another Dec/early Jan baby. DH and Olivia's birthdays are both Dec. 28th and I don't want another one close to that.
Amber...we must have posted at the same time! (((Hugs)))...I'm so sorry !! It would be extremely hard for me to stop ttc right now...I would be very down too ! What is dh's reasoning? Is it because it's the "sick season"? My dh was always leery about having a winter baby for that reason but now that my oldest drives I don't actually have to leave the house with an itty-bitty. Thinking of you !!!
Rachel...you are doing *awesome* with your weight loss!! My bff could never lose weight while bfing either . for a bfp this cycle!
I'm getting extremely impatient to O...all sorts of ovary twinges and iffy cm so it feels like it'll be soon but more likely than not I'll still be waiting through the weekend at least .
The weather sure isn't perking me up...brrr, I'm freezing and I miss the sun!
No, it's not bc of the sick season. It's because his bday is around Xmas, then it's Xmas, then dd's bday, then BIL bday right after dd, then it's my nieces bday in feb. it's mostly bc DH's bday is right at Xmas time and be knows how much it sucks to always have crappy bdays (his words, not mine). For me, I don't want a winter baby bc my bday is in June and its awesome. For the past 10 years being with DH, I see how much it does suck to have a bday near Xmas.
Dd was an oops! We were gonna start trying 2 months later....but oops
Rachel that gives me hope in losing weight when dd weans. But we are only nursing twice a day....it's been like that for months though.
Been spotting the last couple days. Guessing I'm out. AF should be here tomorrow. Oh well, on to next month. Maybe we'll have a Christmas/New Year Baby instead.
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I'm so sorry Sam !!! Did you test recently? (((Big hugs)))...thinking of you and praying you get the best Christmas gift ever !
Amber...I can understand that . I love having spring babies!
Amber im so sorry. I understand sort of what you mean with the disappointment. I havent tried asking DF for sex since our last failed attempt because i dont wantto deal with the pain of it not working. I am honestly very scared that next cycle will be the same and DF isnt being proactive about talking to a doctor.
Wooho 3 lbs down this week so far! I haven't been able to work out at all between sickness and we are in the middle of a winter storm so the roads have been awful since yesterday. We have somewhere around 10-12 inches of snow and it's still snowing and we're supposed to get another 4. I don't even remember the last time we got this much!
My temp took a big nose dive this morning. I never and I do mean never O this early so I am curious to see what is going on. I plan to cover my bases just in case. Of course I have no idea what my cycles are going to do since I haven't had one in 2 years but before Ava and between Ava and Olivia the earliest I ever O'd was CD 18-19. The cycle with Olivia it was well after CD 20 when I finally O'd. I would be thrilled if this was it!
Rachel...awesome on the weight loss !!!!! this is an early o...how great would that be!! LOL, I hate waiting to o...I so sympathize !! That's a lot of snow! We moved 2.5hrs south and I can't believe the difference...we hardly get any snow compared to what we're used to...crazy!
Karen...your chart looks great...maybe implant was yesterday?? !
Thinking of you Amber...did you talk with dh about it again? Feeling any better about things? (((Big hugs)))!
Sam, how are things today? Still spotting?
Natalie...how is the new cm checking method working out ?
Nothing new to report here...still waiting to o I think and bding every 2-3days.
I'm pining for a spring vacay to somewhere warm or a drastic change in the weather! Neither are in the foreseeable future so I think I'm going to spend the weekend in my pajamas, snuggled with my kiddos on the couch, watching movies, and eating munchies
My opks are getting darker !! Still bfn but excited to see it getting closer . I'm testing fmu, 2pm, and 8pm until I get a bfp...probably overkill but hopefully I'll catch a surge within a week .
I emailed DH asking him if be would reconsider. I haven't heard from him, he's been in a meeting all day. I'm sure he will say no
I sure hope you're able to work it out with Dh so you can come to some type of agreement !!
I'm so sorry he's in a meeting all day too...waiting stinks
Kup on what he says !
DH came out of the office to get water and I was in the kitchen...he didnt even say hi to me . (He works from home)
Well he's been off work for 3 hours now and hasn't said a word to me. No reply to my email either.


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You are all so beautiful!
Here is a pic of our wedding in May this year.
Leigh! You are so beautiful!!
I am serious!
I want to know what all you beautiful ladies look like so I can picture you better! Post a recent or a favorite picture of yourself here. The second was last summer of my and my girls, Lindy (the little one) and Maggie (the fluffy one). The last was when the fluffy one was a pup and is one of the only non wedding pics of DH and I....we really need more pics together! I have lost about 20lbs since that pic was taken.
Hi Everyone ! I am new here. My husband and I are going to start trying early 2012 !
Holly(25) and DH (26)- My husband and I have been married over 4 years now. We unfortunately had 2 miscarriages 3 years ago. Hopefully 3rd time is a charm
I didn't feel like figuring this out, so I copy/pasted a link to my Facebook picture.
[IMG][/IMG] Picture taken July 2011
[IMG][/IMG] This was taken March 2010.
[IMG][/IMG] Picture take Sept. 2011.
Im down 96.8 lbs as of today.
Mishelle & Kent
Wow Micky you look fantastic!


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Anyone in VT coming back to/by Syracuse that could drive a husband/truck this way?
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