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IN HONOR OF National Trails Day, the Point Reyes National Seashore Association is launching its annual Point Reyes Trails Challenge with a free festival from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. June 1 at the Bear Valley Picnic Area.
There'll be food, music and service-related booths to help people learn more about the park and the Point Reyes Trails Challenge.
In addition to the festival, there are always plenty of things to see and do at Bear Valley. The visitor center is the hub. It includes a museum with nature items, natural history dioramas, Indian artifacts and pictorial displays of explorers and shipwrecks. The bookstore and gift section provides a wealth of nature and history books, trail guides, games and gifts.
Three short trails create interesting loops near the visitor center. The Earthquake Trail is an asphalt path suitable for wheelchairs and strollers. This half-mile loop meanders through the rift area of the San Andreas Fault with signs and old photographs showing damage caused by the 1906 earthquake. A highlight of the trail is the broken fence that was offset 16 feet during the famous earthquake.
The trail to Kule Loklo, a replica Coast Miwok Indian village, is an easy half-mile walk. Visitors can see the family dwellings, a sweat lodge, dance house, acorn granary and sunshades. You can continue on around the horse pasture on the Morgan Trail. Rangers ride these horses when they patrol the trails. Be sure to stop at the small Morgan Horse Museum building and see the displays.
The Woodpecker Trail is a self-guided, mildly strenuous nature walk, three-quarters of a mile in length. This footpath crosses a meadow, winds along Sky Creek and weaves through a dense forest of bay, oak and Douglas fir trees. The forest is alive with animal activity, especially woodpeckers, squirrels and deer.
Longer hike options are also available. Energetic members of your group can hike to the top of Mount Wittenberg. The Mount Wittenberg and Meadow trails create a 4-mile moderately strenuous loop with steep sections along the way. These trails cut through thick forest before emerging onto grassland slopes with panoramic views.
The large picnic area across the street from the visitor center is where the festival will be held. It has many picnic tables among tall Douglas fir trees and a restroom nearby. For more information about the festival or the Point Reyes Trails Challenge go to www.ptreyes.org.
To reach Bear Valley, follow Sir Francis Drake Boulevard to Olema. Turn right on Highway 1 for a short distance, then left onto Bear Valley Road. Follow the signs to the visitor center.
Tacy Dunham is the author of several trail guide books.


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Open house at Clare Bridge of Tallahassee to include tours and brunch at the senior living community. Come meet the new management team and associates who provide highly specialized care to resident living with Alzheimer's and dementia.
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There will be another slight risk of seeing a few strong storms this afternoon.
Highs will be almost 10 degrees warmer than Saturday, as well, reaching into the mid-70s. It will be a quiet start, with partly cloudy skies and showers and storms may develop after lunch.
Tonight, it will be mostly cloudy to partly cloudy with lows in the lower 50s.


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Budget .308
Hey guys. I'm looking for a budget ($600 without scope is limit) .308
I'm looking for the gun to be left handed. So far, I'm looking at the Savage Axis (LH .308) and a Remington 700 SPS (LH .308)
Any other decent firearms around this price and left handed in .308? It will be for target and deer hunting. Thanks
Ruger 77, Savage 10, Stevens, Remington 700. Check used tho save more. Most of these guns are not abused or used very hard, so you should be able to find a good rifle with lots of life left, in your budget.
...and if you don't mind a single shot, there is always the Thompson Center Encore.
Mine is chambered for 30.06 but .308 is certainly available as well.
Same barrel length but 6" shorter overall than any bolt gun... Very hand in the bush. ;)
Thanks, I looked at the 77, they looked nice
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Seth, I recently bought a Remington 700 SPS in .308. Mine is a left handed heavy barrel (Varmint) model. It is too heavy for mountain hunting but would be fine for down in the valley whitetail hunting or prairie dog shooting where I won"t have to carry it a long way. I liked the fact that it was affordable ($630), and later on I can add a few goodies when I get the money. I plan on getting an H-S Precision Pro 2000 Sendero stock for it and a Timney trigger eventually. But right out of the box, with the cheap stock and a little too heavy factory trigger, it was shooting all of the bullets touching at 100 yards if I did my part. I usually have one flyer out of the group but that's my fault. I'm sure the lighter barrel SPS would do as well for the first few shots. The only advantage (besides a bit more weight for steadier holding) to the heavier barrel is a bit less heat and bullet dispersion for paper targets or varminting, where you'll be firing more than a few shots. For big game hunting, the skinny barrel is the way to go. I also have a Ruger 77, mine is the Gunsite Scout model .308. It is very accurate for a 16" barrel, but I don't like the action of the Ruger as well as the Remington. My Ruger has a bit of slop in the bolt when you are working it, until it broke in, I could hardly push the bolt forward as it would bind. It's better now, but not near as smooth as the Remington.
Thanks, I've always liked the Remingtons. I can see what you mean by accurate. Now, what would the stock and Timney trigger do?
Seth, the SPS stock is a cheapo and allows Remington to keep the price low. I figured when I bought my SPS Varmint that I was basically buying the barreled action, and I would replace the stock as soon as I could. The aftermarket stocks are stiffer and have better bedding for the action, making consistent shots more attainable. I was at Sportman's warehouse last week and I asked to look at a Remington 700 in .338 Lapua, selling for $1900. I was not so much interested in the caliber as much as the stock that it came with. It was the same H-S Precision stock that I want to order soon and in the same color, o.d. green with black spiderweb. That $1900 rifle was pretty much the same barreled action as I have, but a bigger caliber w/ muzzlebrake and had a $350 H-S stock on it.
Remington now has the X-Mark pro trigger on new rifles. The tag tied to the trigger guard claimed how great it was and that they have a 3 1/2 lb. trigger as it comes from the factory. Mine scaled at 6 lbs. I adjusted the single adjustment screw as low as I could and now have 4 3/4 lbs. I'd like it a bit lower than that, and Timney makes an excellent trigger. You can buy Remington's X-mark trigger separately for $90, but I don't know why someone would do that when they could get a Timney for $35 more. If you look at a Brownell's or Midway catalog, you'll see that there are a gagillion aftermarket stocks, triggers, bolt handles, and detachable mag kits made for the Model 700. It's like the AR of the bolt action world, it's so popular there are way, way more upgrades available for it than any other bolt action. But not so many for the left hand rifles. For example, aftermarket triggers. Not just any replacement trigger will work on the lefty's because the new trigger has to have the safety on the left hand side as well. But Timney makes left hand Remington triggers w/ safeties. And H-S is about the only stockmaker that makes an upgrade stock for my left hand heavy barrel.
Alright, now where would I have to go to get one? Do you have to order them online or can you to any sporting goods store and pick one up?
Try stockysstocks:
or order direct from H-S. more colors available, but it takes 6-8 weeks for them to make it:
For triggers, try Brownell's or Midway:
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I know some one has already suggested a single shot and a nice one at that but im gonna say h&r single shot cheaper then the thompson center ans still pretty darn good for the money plus you could get a nice scope for it.
Me personally if i had the money id get me a ruger scout rifle, you have iron sights and the ability to mount optics plus detachable mags but thats just me.
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Hi I have not been able to log onto the site and post many times because of what I term 'technical difficulties'. It's as if nameberry is offline and the text is in a different format too.
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How can a tournament with a purse of "only" $2.7 million ($445,000 to the winner), played in a place that's a 14-hour hour flight from the East Coast, match a rich ($6 million purse, $1.044 million for first) domestic event held at a former U.S. Open venue? Can you say "appearance fees"?
Such payouts are forbidden on the PGA Tour -- the only perk players will get at Torrey is the use of a rental car -- but the Euro tour has fewer restrictions, and Abu Dhabi is the major championship of pay-for-play. The extras are so lavish that they more than make up the $3.3 million purse differential. For starters, everyone in the field gets free travel and accommodations at the luxurious Emirates Palace. After that, the size of the envelope varies based on star power.
Players universally refuse to discuss specifics, so we're left with no choice but to speculate. Here's a guesstimate, based on many conversations with fellow golf journalists, as to what some of the headliners might be receiving. Tiger Woods, $2.5 million: Woods's has played in Dubai, where his Al Ruwaya golf course project has returned to the desert, but this is his first start in Abu Dhabi. Rory McIlroy, $1 million: The U.S. Open champ is the second-biggest draw in golf and a regular at Abu Dhabi, playing there five straight years. Lee Westwood, $750,000: You don't hear much about it, but keeping easy-money events like Abu Dhabi on their schedules is one reason Euros like Westwood come and go from the PGA Tour. Luke Donald, $600,000: This was the world No. 1's first trip to Abu Dhabi. If he wins a major, his price could double. Darren Clarke, $400,000: Being the British Open champ is a big deal in an event like this. Plus, who doesn't love Clarkie? Graeme McDowell, $200,000: Another regular in the UAE and a popular U.S. Open winner. Martin Kaymer, $200,000: Kaymer is the King of Abu Dhabi, where he has won three times and is the defending champ. Charl Schwartzel, $200,000: All the 2011 major winners were pursued, and only Keegan Bradley (PGA Championship) said no. K.J. Choi, $100,000: At Abu Dhabi, they regard the Players Championship as if it really is the fifth major. Colin Montgomerie, $0: No cash, but since he has played in all seven Abu Dhabi Championships, he'll get the royal treatment.


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1. Ved Solnedgang!
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|Nielsen, Ludolf
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|Op.47 ; JC 73
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|1917 (No.1)
1922 (No.2)
|1. Jacob Paulli (1844-1915)
2. Axel Juel (1883-1948)
|Composer Time PeriodComp. Period
|Early 20th century
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|Early 20th century
|1. voice, piano (also arr. mixed choir, male choir, and voice with orchestra)
2. voice, piano (also arr. mixed choir and male choir)
The first song "Ved Solnedgang" - "At sunset" is one of Ludolf Nielsens most popular song. It was published for Voice and piano, mixed choir, male choir, and voice with orchestra. The version for orchestra on IMSLP is perhaps the first official release. The only known copies are probably private copies by the composer himself. The second "Vi elsker vort blomstrende Fædreland" was published for voice and piano, mixed choir and male choir.


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A YOUNG Australian man living his dream of working for Disney in Florida has been killed by a hit-and-run driver.
Mahmoud Arabi, 22, was dressed in his Disney uniform at an Orlando intersection early on Monday morning when a car hit him.
"The victim was crossing with two other people and unfortunately they were crossing against the light," Sergeant Kim Montes of the Florida Highway Patrol told AAP.
The car had the green light but failed to stop after the accident.
Arabi, believed to be from Melbourne, was in a critical condition and taken to an Orlando hospital.
He died on Wednesday not long after his mother arrived from Australia to be by his side.
The Disney college exchange program attracts young students from around the world, allowing them to get on-the-job experience at the entertainment conglomerate's theme parks, including Disney World in Florida.
Sgt Montes said it was believed the car's side mirror struck Arabi.
The mirror was found at the crash scene and from its serial number it was identified as being from a green Ford.
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After his major defeat in the Florida primary on Tuesday, Newt Gingrich said he still expects to be the nominee when the convention in Tampa rolls around in August.
If Gingrich didn't make that claim, even if he knows it's a long shot, he would be bowing out of the race for the GOP nomination.
At his concession speech in Orlando, a big sign behind him proclaimed "46 STATES TO GO." His next stop on the Newt 2012 march to the nomination is Nevada.
Speaking in Reno to a small crowd of supporters, Gingrich said he was delighted with the results of the Florida primary, despite losing to Romney by 14 points.
"I carried a majority of counties, the conservative side, evangelicals and Tea Party people," he said.
According to CBS News exit polls, Romney edged out Gingrich among conservatives, 41 percent to 37 percent, but Gingrich did win those who said they were "very conservative," 41percent to 30 percent. Among White Evangelicals, it was tight but Gingrich won, 38 percent 36 percent. And Romney won those who were Tea Party supporters, 41 percent to 37 percent. However, Gingrich prevailed among those who said they strongly supported the Tea Party movement, 45 percent to 33 percent.
In his remarks, he outlined his "conservative contract for America," and a plan to dismantle 40 percent of the Obama government on the first day of his administration.
He said he would eliminate President Obama's health care law and the Dodd-Frank and Sarbannes-Oxley financial reform laws. He also said he would sign a series of executive orders, including abolishing all White House czars, opening a U.S. embassy in Jerusalem, repealing what he called anti-religious actions of the Obama administration and approving the Keystone pipeline. The former House speaker noted the Republicans would need to gain majorities in the House and Senate to execute his plan.
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My new favorite rimfire revolver
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I missed one of these last year, but S&W made a run of the 63-5s this summer and my dealer got one. As as alternate I was looking at a Ruger SP101 4" in 22lr, but now I'm glad I waited for the Smith. This revolver is suprisingly accurate and is much more than a plinker, it shoots as accurately as my K22. The action is silky smooth and the trigger much lighter than the Ruger SP101. The only mod I did was to put a set of Model 60 Pro Series wood grips on it and it is now perfect. Anyone considering buying a rimfire revolver should give these a look.
Beautiful gun. I've been wanting a rimfire wheelgun. Just don't have the money right now for any new guns. :(
Beautiful gun,congrats!
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Now I want one :D
very nice looking revolver!
does that model come in a version with a longer barrel?
also the new grips look good on it.
Nice gun Mag. I bought this last summer and love the trigger, Too bad it also went down with the ship in the inlet where I had that boating accident :(
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Gosselin: Mavericks can't go deep in playoffs because they don't have this
Catch SportsDay On Air twice per week on Fox Sports Southwest, when Dallas Morning News experts discuss hot sports topics from the Cowboys, Mavericks, Stars, Rangers, high schools and colleges (check our TV listings for air times). Here are some highlights from Monday's episode featuring David Moore and Rick Gosselin:
On what can be expected from the Mavericks if they get to the playoffs:
Gosselin: "They may get though the first round, but the playoffs is all about defense. The games get more intense, it's all about lockdown defense and I haven't seen that from this team to this point. And I don't know that they're going to suddenly flip a switch come April and all of a sudden we're a good defensive team. I think defense, rebounding is what takes you far in the playoffs and I really don't enough in this team."
Moore: "Of all the team ahead of them now, I guess I could see where they would Houston in a playoff series. But I don't know that you could seriously argue that they should beat any of the other teams ahead of them, even if they were able to acquire a solid defensive piece to put with what they have right."


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Planning a trip? Those who love to travel know the essence of all travel is about you and your enjoyment. Travelers know that the destination is a major part of planning a trip, experiencing and delving deeper into unfamiliar places, people, and culture are paramount.
Expand your horizons and set your sight to the Philippines, an off the beaten path travel site! An undiscovered paradise made of thousands of islands and white sand beaches all around! A tiny dot in the map of the world, and yet a haven for travelers, backpackers, retirees and even passersby.
It offers awesome tourist attractions, magnificent beaches, hot spring resorts, colorful festivals, hundreds of scenic spots and world-class hotels and facilities. Not to mention the tropical climate, the affordable prices as well as the friendly and hospitable, English-speaking people! You will be glad you came, and we're sure, you WILL come back for more FUN in the Philippines!
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This mountain found in the southern portion of the Cordillera is 2086 meters high. The discovery of this hidden beauty was rather accidental by the mountaineers who volunteered for the rescue operation in 1987 when a plane crashed on its slopes. Its proximity to Baguio City, the country's summer capital makes the mountain an easy favorite among many mountain climbers. Trekking through a long, dusty and sun-drenched trails will prove worthy upon reaching the steep mountain trails overlooking cool valleys with thick pine forests. The summit will reveal the tall mountain tops of the Cordillera, the rolling pine hills of Nueva Vizcaya and the plains of Pangasinan, Level 3. – Read More: islandsofthephilippines.com
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Mt. Ugo (sometimes Ugu) is a major destination in the Cordilleras. Although its elevation is low compared to the lofty heights of Mt. Pulag and Mt. Napulauan, it has stately pine forests and spectacular views similar to its higher counterparts. Also, the traverse connecting N. Vizcaya and Benguet is a challenging trail that serves as the southeast entrance to the Cordillera mountain chain – opening possibilities such as a traverse to Mt. Pulag.
Another plane was said to have crashed in the mountain during the 1960's…ghost stories are often attributed to the victims of these crashes. Long before the age of airplanes, however, Mt. Ugu has been associated with danger. Jovanie Claver, writing in the provincial website of Benguet, explains that the name "Ugo" was derived from the Ibaloi word "Ugoan" which means "to cut the neck". Oral tradition has it that Mt. Ugo was the site where the invading Spaniards were killed, in the fashion in which the mountain was named. Although with a somewhat violent etymology, Mt. Ugo can be seen as a monument to the fierce determination of its people to defend their freedom and way of life. In many ways, they have succeeded: until now mountaineers can have the experience of interacting with the locals' unique culture. The villagers are very hospitable. They would even offer food — including their delicacy, goat meat. – Read More: pinoymountaineer.com
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Mt. Ugu is another proof that the Cordilleras is one of the richest hiking destinations in the country. It is a cross-country hike traversing several territories cutting across the provinces of Benguet and Nueva Vizcaya. It is a part of the "Cordillera Way" which is a series of trails crisscrossing the Cordillera Mountains. In fact you can create other exploration trips within this destination like a Napulauan-Ugu or Mt. Ugu-Pulag hikes. The Mt. Ugu hike itself is already visually rewarding physically challenging enough for you to reconsider the other routes. Nestled between the vast mountain lies the 2,150 high summit of Mt. Ugu. From the summit, you can catch a panoramic view of Mt. Pulag on the North and the Nueva Vizcaya Mountains on the South. It's not only the experience of the Cordillera wilderness that is rewarding but as well as the cultural experience of interacting and passing by the remote villages of Itogon and Kayapa. Definitely Mt. Ugu is a better alternative to Mt. Pulag especially if you want to get away from the "beaten tracks" – Read More: philippineclimb.com
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The Mountainous Province of Nueva Vizcaya
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Former St. Pete Catholic star Jock Sanders hopes for a home with the Bucs
WR Jock Sanders, a former St. Petersburg Catholic and West Virginia star, said he was excited to come home for an opportunity with the Bucs as an undrafted free agent.
Sanders, a speedy 5-foot-6, 185-pounder, is hoping his versatility will land him a spot on the roster, splitting reps at slot receiver, return man and running back.
"I'm doing them all right now, that's why my head is spinning," he said.
Sanders, who left West Virginia as the school's all-time leading receiver (206 receptions, 14 TDs), was surprised he went undrafted, but took it in stride. Having gone through a pre-draft workout with the Bucs, and knowing their needs, Sanders picked them over a handful other teams.
And Sanders has already become a quick fan of QB Josh Freeman. "He's a great quarterback," Sanders said. "He reminds me of my college quarterback, Pat White, a very up-tempo guy. I already love him and I've only been here for two, three days."


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Can it work? Sure. However, if it worked reliably on a consistent basis with training and practice, you would see people who fight with guns professionally use it. The fact that you really don't see that anywhere is a good clue that there are some significant drawbacks to .22LR for that purpose.
It seems to me like your question has more to do with whether those drawbacks are severe enough that it would be better to substitute another platform for your girlfriend. Part of the answer to your question is what the two of you can afford to buy, afford to shoot, and will actually go out and shoot and become familiar with. And as you probably already know, plinking on the range is good for familiarity and weapon manipulation; but it isn't the same thing as training for a gunfight.
It is hard to answer your question because none of us are really in a position to evaluate those last factors. A .22lr rifle that she knows how to use and shoots for fun is going to be better than 20ga shotgun with buckshot that she never shoots and is uncertain how to use. You are probably in the best position to evaluate where she is at on that stuff; but look at your criteria again - if a .22LR met all of those criteria well, you'd see it used a lot more often in a lot more places.
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.22s don`t have much stopping power. Simple fix, shoot him more times! BUT, what is safer for you and bystanders: 10 shots of 22 or 1 shot of buckshot?
Not to mention the risk to you because of the time it takes to shoot 10 times.
Same argument for almost all handgun ammo: shoot him till he falls down, or shoot him till you run out of ammo and then pistol whip him until one of you wins the fight. Or just go get shotgun with some buck.
Incidently, i have a very dear friend who I recently set up with a Ruger single six 22 for HD. Why? Because after much experimentation it is the only gun she is strong enough to cock and shoot. That`s pretty much the only reason for picking a 22 for HD. I would have preferred a 410 single shot with buck, but she coundn`t handle it.
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First of all, no commonly available firearm will negate the risk of overpenetration. The interior walls of most modern homes and apartments are little more than pine 2x4's spaced about a foot apart and covered over with drywall. Nearly any common firearm, including a .22LR can easily penetrate two sheets of drywall.
As far as the terminal ballistics of a .22 are concerned, why not simply look at how they perform in ballistic gelatin?
Now, what do we want in a self-defense bullet? Most people prefer a bullet that will expand as much as possible while still penetrating somewhere between 12" and 16" in order to ensure that it can reach the vitals of a very large attacker or one shot at an oblique angle. In the brassfetcher link, only three .22 Long Rifle loadings meet this criteria: the CCI Velocitor (13.3" penetration and .335" expansion), the Federal 36gr JHP (14.3" penetration and .308" expansion), and the Remington Golden Bullet JHP (11.9" penetration and .340" expansion). Between these three, my choice would be the CCI Velocitor as it seems to deliver the best balance of penetration and expansion.
So, how do the Velocitors stack up against other common firearms? Again looking at brassfetcher, we see that a Fiocchi .32 Auto 73gr FMJ fired from a Kel-Tec P32 penetrates slightly more than the CCI Velocitor at 13.8" but does not expand so final diameter would be approximately .311".
A .380 Auto 95gr FMJ, when fired from a Kel-Tec P3AT penetrates in excess of 16" but does not expand so final diameter would be approximately .355". Also, the .380 FMJ may yaw somewhat depending on the shape of the bullet (TC vs. RN).
Unless very specific organs are hit, the moderate amount of energy produced by these cartridges will have minimal, if any, effect on terminal performance. Even so, energies can be fairly easily compared. CCI advertises the Velocitor as a 40gr bullet at 1435fps for 183 ft lbs energy, Federal advertises their .380 FMJ loading as a 95gr bullet at 980fps for 203 ft lbs energy, and Fiocchi advertises their .32 Auto FMJ as a 73gr bullet at 980fps for 155 ft lbs energy.
Therefore, in just about every measurable way, the best .22 LR loading available, from a rifle, gives us performance in between that of a .32 Auto FMJ and .380 Auto FMJ.
Ballistics aside, there are other factors which must be considered as well. On the plus side, a .22 rifle is one of the very easiest firearms to shoot because both recoil and report are very mild. Also .22 Long Rifle ammunition is the least expensive available which makes high-volume practice quite affordable. Finally, quality .22 rifles are less expensive, by and large, than comparable firearms in other calibers.
The downside to a .22, besides ballistics, is reliability. The relatively long, skinny rimmed cartridge is one of the most problematic when it comes to feed reliability in a repeating firearm. The outside-lubricated heel-based bullet also presents problems in and of itself. Because the bullet lube is on the exterior of the cartridge, dirt is more attracted and the lube itself will more quickly foul the gun. Also, heel-based bullets do not seal the powder and primer from contaminants such as oil and moisture as well as inside-lubricated bullets do. Rimfire primers are more susceptible to misfire due to quality-control issues (the centrifuge that spreads the priming compound must be run for a certain amount of time to spread it evenly) than centerfire primers and, because .22LR ammo is usually marketed for non-critical applications such as plinking, target-shooting, and small game/pest control, QC issues seem to be more common.
IMHO, a .22 rifle isn't the worst possible choice as I think it would be preferable to a .22 or .25 Handgun. However, unless a more powerful centerfire gun simply is not a viable option due to recoil sensitivity or finances, I think that something more powerful and more reliable such as a pistol-caliber carbine or .410-20 gauge shotgun would be a better choice.
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|February 14, 2012, 07:43 PM
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About .22LR and wall penetration, I stacked up some scrap pine 2X4 lumber to see how many a .22 would penetrate. A .22 High velocity shot out of an 18 inch barrel will go through four of them.
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All this talk of over pentration makes my head hurt. Unless you all live in brick house all guns will penetrate. While I don't want to go sending a bunch of FMJ's around the neighborhood I'm gonna use what's best at the job and hope I don't overcome lotery like odds of hitting a bystander.
As for the .22 carbine. I'm a firm beleiver in the first rule of gunfighting is to have a gun and the caliber/cartridge comes in a VERY distant second. Most gun fights can/will be ended with anything and the rare BG's that are all tough are gonna be all tough much of the time even if hit with better calibers.
That being said ask your self what you want in your hands if you absolutly have to stop him now. I spend almost zero time thinkin about HD guns but I think I'd choose a single shot 12ga over a .22 carbine and eitehr is far from my first choice.
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sounds to me like you need a calico, 100 rounds of .22lr is nothing to be messed with
I only recently heard of the gun when someone from here in NJ was arrested on assult weapon charges for posessing one. after some quick research it seems like a pretty damn cool gun
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When a .22 was what I had, it felt good. I was, and still am, very practiced and proficient.
Since those days two (maybe more) .22LR rounds have come out that improve the ballistics of the round for SD. CCI's Velocitor and the Winchester's 40 grain Hyper Speed HP. They do hit noticeably harder on flesh.
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I can't raise any powerful objections to the idea. Better to be armed with even as few as 10 rounds of .22 lr than to be equipped with a weapon that is even more inappropriate.
I'd much rather see her armed with a better, harder hitting choice, for example, any 9mm or .30 caliber carbine.
Would you fire a .22 lr at a rottweiler, pit bull, coyote, or even black bear, and expect it to disable that animal? if not, why would you expect it to work on a human? Any large mammal would require probably between 5-10 solid body shots with .22 lr to incapacitate, except in the very best case scenarios.
That is my objection. If heart/lung/vital nerve centers are missed, a .22 will not cause enough damage and trauma to put the bad guy into shock or bleed him out quickly.
Another consideration is reliability. Rimfire ammo has a tendency to fail. .22 rifles, in my experience, tend to jam. you can't allow that.
Speaking plainly, will she die tomorrow just because you put a 10-22 in her closet? Not likely. Will she survive a gunfight with a 10-22? Most likely.
Would her chances of survival, and the chances of her two children be better if she had 14 rounds of good 9mm ammo at her disposal? I'm pretty sure that they would be.
Now, analyze how much risk you are willing to take with her life, and the lives of her children.
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I am a little bit irritated that everyone expects an intruder to ignore that someone is armed with a firearm and shooting at him. I am no expert but I believe the average intruder will prefer to leave as quick as possible as soon as he detects resistance with the potential of death and not investigate what caliber is flying around him.
If you have an intruder that ignores that fact you have a major problem that I believe will not be solved with a major handgun cartrige. In that situation I would hope to have a major rifle cartrige firearm in my hand.
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At that point you are hoping that the person attacking you chooses to not continue to attack. I, for one, want to take all elements of choice out of the equation if I can.
Lots of gunfire sounds the same when your on the receiving end. If you miss, the intruder may say "fudge this noise" and leave. Goal met, but by his choice, not yours.
If you hit with a small round the likelihood of an immediately incapicating injury is low. At that point you are hoping he again says "fudge this noise" and chooses to leave. Goal met, but at his choice.
The larger the round you put into an intruder (all other things being equal) the more likely he will be unable to make the choice to continue.
With handguns there is a constant compromise between caliber, weight, size, recoil, and capacity. Since we're talking carbines here almost all of that is moot.
A 22lr carbine isn't much heavier than a 9mm, 5.7, or 30 carbine platform. While there is more recoil they are all very manageable for almost everyone. Size is again similar since they all have 16" or larger barrels. All of these carry enough rounds to defend yourself.
Since almost everything with these carbines is equal (except cost) there is no compelling argument to pick a 22lr for anyone who is not über recoil sensitive.
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Me and my shootin buds did some chronographing with 22 LR ammo and we found that the most efficient bbl length is 10". What I don't know is if this info is a good indicator of performance across the board, or just in our guns.
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980 FPS (FA Mini-Revo 1-1/8")
1192 FPS (Ruger Bearcat 4")
1516 FPS (Ruger MK II 10")
1550 FPS (Ruger 10/22 18")
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1126 FPS/ 34 AD/ 165 ES (Ruger 10/22 18")
As for the stopping power or lack thereof, I think that it's more how you wield it than the actual caliber (perhaps in most cases at least). In a raging firefight of course I would want a larger caliber that has more penetration, but for most of us, a 22 would be enough to make most evildoers back down. I'm looking real hard at Rugers Charger pistol right now. I think it'd make a dandy house gun with a red dot and a fat Mag.
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|February 17, 2012, 04:20 AM
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@ kinoons
The situation is rather bliss if the attacker prefers to continue his attack although resistence is evident. Having a handgun caliber rifle only improves your chances marginaly. Improvements have been made with modern bullet construction, but still there are countless reports of failure to stop someone/something with multiple rounds fired. If this situation ever happens to me, I hope to have a highpower riflecaliber or shotgun firearm in my hands.
Emptying a 10/15/17/33 round magazine into someone might be frowend on by the law depending on where you live. And proving you needed all that firepower to stop one assailant won't be easy.
This whole discussion arises from the typical fear of people that zombie like hords will run down your perimeter to steal your can of campells soup. I belive that not to be the norm for homedefense.
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sleeper --
having a handgun caliber carbine only marginally improves your odds? How do you come to this conclusion, and compared to what? A carbine vs a handgun in the same caliber?
from Ballistics by the inch -- 9mm test
(steyr s9 vs keltec sub 2000)
FHS 147 grain, my personal favorite -- 931fps vs 1086fps or 155fps to the carbine
Corbon 125 grain +P gets you 1178fps vs 1387 fps or
209fps to the carbine
if a 5.7x28 is your preferred cartage (fiveseven pistol vs ps90 carbine)
46grain Protector III -- 1850 fps vs 1400fps -- 350 fps to the carbine
40grain Protector I -- 2092fps vs 2650fps -- 558fps to the carbine
a 30 carbine (110 grain) leaves an m1 carbine at 1990fps. It goes 1440fps from a revolver (a 7.5" barrel revolver). again advantage carbine at 550fps
So, as we would expect, you get a lot more energy from a carbine. This frequently equates to deeper penetration, but may not get you larger expansion.
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Terminal Performance Comparison
Load EXP (inches) RW (grains) PEN (inches)
9 mm 124-grain Speer Pistol .71 124 13.25
9 mm 124-grain Speer Carbine .45 107 17.50
9 mm Federal 115-grain JHP(P) .57 114 14.50
9 mm Federal 115-grain JHP(C) .50 70 16.00
This is why I advocate for the heaviest round your pistol or carbine will reliably cycle. Out of the longer barrel you get more velocity but remain closer to the best performance for your ammo. The heavier ammo also will penetrate deeper since it conserves its momentum longer.
I was unable to find any specific tests comparing any 5.7x28 or 30 carbine rounds from a pistol vs carbine. I would venture to guess (I hate guessing) that since both the 30 carbine and 5.7x28 were designed first as carbine rounds they will perform well from their respective platforms.
back to the point, since I can ramble. A carbine offers many advantages compared to a pistol -- longer sight radius, electronic sights if you desire, larger ammunition capacities, easier to train and become proficient with. The only drawback is the larger size may limit usability with one hand.
Your premise that we are preparing for a zombie hoard is a false one. The simple truth is that a carbine is a more effective tool for incapacitating an attacker than a pistol is. Because of this, given the option to choose, I would pick my ps90 over my walther PPS for a firefight. In the context of this thread, I would choose my ps90 over a ruger 10/22.
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Thanks for the info and the link. No offense ment with my little provocative/ironical zombie comment.
What I find disturbing in all of the comparative tests I have seen sofar is that there is no mentioning of at what penetration depth the expansion began in 1.handgun 2. carabine. Further the pics of nice "naked" gelatine is always impressive but it doesn't corrolate to reallity. There have been quite a few tests that I read of where "plugging" of the cavity of the hollowpoint, by clotheing put before the gelatine block, have been described, transforming the hollowpoint to a "roundnose" projectile. So what are we doing with a "full metal jaket" round in selfdefense? Many of us know how effective it is to hunt with full metal jacket. [Yeah I know the only option for brain shoots on elephant, rhino, etc.] (Just throwing in some provocative ideas to hopefully get some scientifically done results that I have not been aware of. Hearsay is not an option when life is on hand.)
My comment on handgun vs. carabine was from the fact that many survivors of firearm conflicts still have the projectiles imbeded in their body. So it comes down to shot placement as the major factor to killing your opponent. Bullet design and caliber improve your chances, but having someone die later on because of tissue damage done to the intestines will not satisfy your mourning relatives.
My whole comment derives from the fact that intruders are seldom totally stupid(even crackheads). They all posses an instinkt for survival. That is also the reason why they are intruding your home. So if you awake early enough to prepare your firearm and warn them that you are armed, I donot believe that the majority will be willing to neglect their survival instinct. Something has gone wrong anyhow if you are at home and the intruder is trying to come in. The majority wants to intrude undisturbed so they will choose moments when you are not at home. That is a statistical fact.
I totaly agree that a hollowoint will probably improve your survival and firing it from a carabine will make it even more impressive. But if it has come sofar your preventive measures have not been sufficient.
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I agree that gel isnt the perfect test medium, but it is a consistent one allowing round performance to be compaired on equal footing.
This all boils down to exactly how prepared we want to be. I agree with you that 99% of conflicts will be resolved by the presence of a firearm and it's first shot. The question then becomes how well do you want to equip yourself for that 1% chance. When limited to a handgun, such a during daily concealed carry, there becomes a major limitation between size, weight, caliber, and capacity.
Since this thread started as a home defense carbine thread those limitations are not present. In the overwhelming majority of instances a 22lr carbine will end a conflict. However, since the difference between a 22lr carbine and a larger caliber carbine is negligible, I advocate a larger one. That doesn't mean that a 22lr is junk, just that there are better options to cover the remaining 1% of conflicts.
I also agree that there are many factors to a successful defensive shooting. With the round used being only a single variable, it is important to train so that shot placement and follow-up shot times are not the limiting factors.
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No one sugested a RUGER CHARGER .I know it is a PISTOL not a CARBINE .But it is on my short list for this year .
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Ditto on the Ruger Charger.
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imho i think that for hd a 12 gauge with birdshot works fine in a pump 18.5" platform, a 22lr in carbine platform is good too, but accounting for the possible jambing that might happen at worst possible moment, but also considered the kel-tec pmr-30(if you can get your hands on one) is a good option aswell because of it's 30 round magazine and being a 22 wmr giving a little more power than 22lr.
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For those recommending the Ruger Charger, here is a major caveat.
Get rid of the OEM wood laminated stock that it comes with and drop it into an Axiom stock.
The problem with the OEM wood stock is that it isn't a true pistol grip. The Charger, although technically a pistol isn't meant for pistol styled shooting, especially in its OEM form. BTW, the Charger is probably one of the better choices (after a 9 or 10 shot wheel gun in 22LR) for home-defense if the user is only comfortable with 22LR.
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Our local Sportsman's Club has had a 2-Gun Match for several years. We have also had a Rimfire Division for several years. We started out with lots of 10-22's in various configurations in the Rimfire Division. The equipment evolution has most shooters in Rimfire Division shooting some form of an AR15-22 now days. M&P-22, Sig 522, and various Rimfire uppers on AR15 lowers. Weapons sights are all over the place also. We have open sights, Eotec's, UltraDot's, Low Magnification Scopes, etc.
As a Match Official I am also involved in Scoring, and Pasteing the targets. What we see with rimfire is normally both shots are very close together center mass in the targets. We Double Tap all targets. It is very common to paste both bullet holes with a single target paster. I also see very good accuracy, and shot placement with rimfire. The malfunction rate also seems much better with the AR style rifles.
Lets look at a few points.
The 22 rimfire is very economical to train/practice with.
The 22 rimfire has a very low recoil impulse, so the new shooter will not develope a flench while learning to shoot.
The 22 rimfire by nature is great to plink with. With the low cost of practice ammunition any shooter can get in enough trigger time to get good.
I like the 22 rimfire as a training tool, for all the above reasons. With any centerfire, ammunition cost is going to be a limiting factor in the amount of live fire practice/training that can be done.
The young fellow getting his girlfriend to shoot at all is a huge step in the correct direction.
I am a firm believer in being prepaired. I also think the 22 LR has a place in prepairedness. It has the advantage of being the only cartridge most folks can stock enough ammunition in to last for a long period of time without a significant drain on your daily resources for a long period of time. It is not a big drain for most of us to add another 550 pak to our supply every week or two.
A 22 carbine while not the ideal home defense weapon, can get the job done. In an AR Platform it can be upgraded with a weapons light down the road. Additional magazines can be added to your supplies. A weapons mounted Laser Sight can also be added if needed. Sights can be upgraded from Open, to a Red Dot, or Eotec as time passes. If you are working with a weapons system like a Tactical Solutions AR15-22 Upper, you can add a centerfire Upper Assembly at a later date. At this point you can still get in lots of quality trigger time with the 22, and in less than a minute switch your rimfire upper out to a centerfire. Also all the add ons like the weapons light will mount on the centerfire. And best of all everything is pretty much identical. The stock is the same, the trigger is the same, everything feels the same. No issues with transition. And a really great advantage, you can keep building on the AR15 platform over time. You do not need to invest in everything at once.
In my opinion the 22 carbine will keep her well enough armed until she is ready to move up to more power. The most important thing at this point is getting in enough trigger time to feel comfortable with what she is using. The 22 rimfire is the best solution to getting in that trigger time.
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This is my point of view -
Any gun is better than a sharp stick. I've had a 10/22 since my dad gave his to me 20 years ago, and it was at least 10 years old then. I can count the number of reliability issues I've had on one hand, so FWIW, there you are.
My girlfriend wanted a HD gun, what did we decide on?
A short barreled Mossberg 20 gauge pump, with number 6 shot and cylinder choke.
Here's why:
Relatively inexpensive
Little training to become proficient
A slide racking is the universal noise for go away.
After three trips to the range and a few boxes of shells, she can reliably hit an area about the size of a paper plate at 7 yards, from the hip. I epoxied a straight line down the receiver (right above the trigger) so she can feel it in the dark and point pretty consistently. Further than that, and she is comfortable shouldering the gun properly. 6 shot will go through one wall like a slug at any kind of interior range. It's non unreasonable to hope a few walls will stop or slow it down to the point of impotence. It will certainly do the job through an interior hollow core door. I think any argument about the ballistic capabilities of a shotshell that isn't buckshot are pretty pointless at HD ranges. Walk your GF's place...I'd be surprised if there is longer than a 10 yard uninterrupted run.
I'd gladly take a .22 over nothing (if the SHTF my .22 would be my go to gun) but as a purpose owned weapon, there are just better options.
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I don't think a ballistics argument at hd range is pointless. Even at point blank range a 20 gauge with 6 shot is not going to be fatal. We had a patient once who had taken #7 shot from a 12 gauge at less than ten feet to the chest. Only 2 bbs penetrated into the lungs. He was in a lot of pain but it was far from a life threatening injury. Had that been buck shot or a slug it would have killed him. I think I'd rather take a good knife or a wooden bat over a .22lr in an hd setting. But that's just me.
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Again, look at the Reagan shooting. While 22LR is not my 1st choice for HD/SD, a 22 LR handgun (revolver) immediately took 3 out of action - 1 SS agent hit in the abdomen, 1 police officer hit in the neck, and Brady, struck in the head. All of them hit the ground unable to rise again. Reagan became dyspneic (short of breath) soon after he was put in the limo and taken to GWU Hospital where he collapsed just inside the front door. So I have great respect for the potential of the often-dismissed 22 LR cartridge.
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Use what you can get in her hands.
My wife (who grew up in an anti-gun family) was extremely fearful of a firearm when she met me. The first time she ever handled a firearm was with me and its been a long time since that first time. She started shooting just my 10/22 - wouldn't touch anything else for fear of recoil and report. She wouldn't even consider a firearm for HD at that point. After a while I managed to convince her to try my AR with my CMMG .22LR upper on it. At that point in time she decided that she'd be willing to go for that if she needed to use a weapon for HD.
After a couple years of that she hesitantly moved to a handgun in .22LR. Then after some time after that she moved to a .380acp. Now she owns a Ruger LCP and practices with it twice a week. She's telling me that she's considering moving to the Ruger LCR in .38sp... so now its time to take her gun shopping again. I think eventually she'll move on to a 9x19. Do I expect her to ever move on to a .40 or .45? Absolutely not. Do I think that eventually I'll have her reaching for a 9mm pistol of some sort for HD and PD? Absolutely.
For a couple of years though I was happy just to know that she'd at least reach for A gun for HD rather than just hiding in the bedroom and being a victim (or worse yet allowing our children to be victims) while she's got loaded guns all around her.
In a case like this - a .22LR carbine is better than nothing. Is it the best option? Of course not but its definitely not the worst.
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The biggest development for the 6-foot-4, 250-pounder is the slider is starting to play more.
Cole struck out five batters swinging on his slider, which had excellent late action Monday. Cole also struck out another with a 91 changeup that had excellent fading action. Simply unfair.
It was the best raw stuff Cole has had since his June start in Anaheim when he was amped up to be pitching in front of family and friends.
While bouncing around like the NASDAQ market, Cole's slider has generally trended upward. He didn't even throw it in his first several starts as a major leaguer. When he begins to harness it more consistently like he did Monday, he will have the makings of a front-of-the-rotation starter.
And don't forget about Cole's fourth and sixth innings at Milwaukee last week. Remember it went something like this: Cole struck out Jean Segura swinging on a slider that dived out of the zone — the same fate awaited Aramis Ramirez, who swung through an 84 mph curve. In the sixth inning, Cole painted the corner with a 98 mph fastball to strike Ramirez. Carlos Gomez followed by swinging and missing at another 98 mph fastball.
He's improving … in the middle of a postseason chase.
It's smart of the Pirates not to make his innings limit public this season, because that red line might need to be revised if the Pirates find themselves in a playoff series. If Cole keeps pitching this, he won't be a bullpen option in October, he will be a starting option.
And the other thing I think you have to love about Cole is the mental makeup.
This was a guy who was not overwhelmed by the major league stage in his debut. In the most important start of his college career, he struck out 13 TCU batters in eight innings in Omaha. And in his most important start as a major leaguer on Monday, with the Pirates desperately needing a win and matched up against Yu Darvish, he was at his best. That says a lot. Aces have to have that kind of makeup.
Cole not only helped break The Streak. He gave Pittsburgh a glimpse of what he can be on Monday night: a legit ace.


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From evidence being circulated on the internet including both newspaper articles and video clips, it seems that rigging has taken place on an extremely large scale all over Pakistan. Owing to ECP shortfalls, whoever that could rig, rigged, regardless of political affiliation. In such cases, there are protocols in place to resolve issues with electoral results.
All that needs to be done is that evidence needs to be gathered and then taken to court, leaving it to the judiciary to make the final decision as far as reelections altogether or from specific polling stations is concerned.
It is important to mention here also that this protocol was even tried and tested because re-polling had already been declared with regard to NA-250 polling stations that witnessed unfair and unforeseen circumstances.
There is absolutely no need for a public display of numbers or any sort of political gesture because that would have no bearing on whether or not reelections of any sort take place.
There is especially no need to have a large number of your supporters (including a large number of women and children and even senior citizens) rallying in public space when you are blatantly blaming another political party, which has its own tainted history of political violence. Chaos is bound to ensue when such a confrontation is taking place.
If the violence that took place leading up to the elections was not sufficient, what took place exactly 6 years ago from May 12 should be testament enough to how unsafe political conflicts can be in Karachi. The vile speech that was made by MQM Chief Altaf Hussain as a retort to the Teen Talwar gathering further proves this point.
These public protests are dangerous and risk a lot of lives. The costs clearly outweigh the benefits of such political statements and logic needs to be given precedence over emotion. How did PTI not take this into account? Everyone definitely has the right to peaceful assembly and protest but if those protests risk the safety of its participants and a judicial alternative and route is available, there is no need for any such public gathering.
It was no surprise that as the night progressed, aerial gunshots were heard, probably fired by the same individuals who shut down Karachi in broad daylight and still somehow fail to be identified or reprimanded.
If the potential danger from such unknown assailants was not enough, riot police was also on scene and ready to disperse the crowd which was still present at Teen Talwar without any clear leadership using batons or even water cannons and teargas.
It is also important though to mention that it would have been a far more welcome step if it was the civic society and their political leadership that had ascertained the dangers and discouraged public sit-ins. The government's attempt to curb the citizen's right to public assembly and protest will do far more negative damage than good and further fuel this need for public political gestures.
It was later brought to attention that PTI leadership had actually left including Dr. Arif Alvi (Candidate NA-250) and Mr. Samar Ali Khan (Candidate PS-113) without declaring that the protest had been recorded and over. Did they expect their supporters to continue without them? Did they expect their supporters to blindly sit in at a roundabout while they were not even present?
If it was not for Mr. Jibran Nasir, an independent NA-250/PS-113 candidate, who returned to the scene to make sure supporters went home once he heard reports that the situation was about to deteriorate, one can only imagine what might have happened. Jibran had earlier also joined the call to protest and had left after recording his objections.
Listen to Jibran summarising his experience here.
Even if this protest was necessary, the crowd should have been dispersed after the protest was recorded or if the protest was to continue, key leaders should have been constantly present.
To conclude, I would like to urge all political parties, not just PTI, to take serious notice of what happened day before yesterday and to act responsibly in the future before it might be too late. When political parties expect supporters and workers to show up during these grand political gestures, it is them who are responsible for their security and wellbeing as well.
Also, the idea of standing up to injustice might sound novel and heroic but is pointless until all avenues seeking justice have been exhausted.
The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group.


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Kent Hovind is the prattling arch-creationist fraud widely toted as having "destroyed evolutionary theory" using his astonishing academic powers garnered no doubt from his fake degree.
Hovind has been the principle target for rationalists since it became apparent that he did not even have a high school understanding of basic science. His crackpot ideas including an atmospheric ice shield have never gained sufficient credibility to require serious rebuttal, instead attracting attention as an example of lunatic pseudoscience gone stark raving mad.
On January 19, 2007 Hovind was sentenced to ten years in prison [tax fraud] and ordered to pay the federal government restitution of over $600,000. After his prison term finishes he will serve another three years of probation.
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you gonna lose "humility", honesty is not on your side.
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Just another Christian hypocrite douche that thinks he's above the law. By the time he gets out of prison, he won't even have to grunt to take a dump- all he'll have to do is squat. How's that tossed salad in prison, Kent? Like dat syrup? LOLOLOL
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This explains how insane Kent Hovind is, in his own words.
It also explains a lot about creationists, and Live Leakers in general. You know who you are, ya tin-foil nutters.
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That's the funniest shit I've seen in weeks. Ya got my vote.
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Crackpot for Crackpots. Idiots getting even dumber.
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Dr. Dino. LMAO.
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"[.....] most of the environmental hype [regarding global warming] is really to help bring about Karl Marx's dream (nightmare) of a Communist world."
Source: http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=faq&specific=34
Scientific illiterates flock together.
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So, the more heat, the more Commies. OK.
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"Maybe the purpose of the space program [NASA] is to prepare the world for Big Brother - the New World Order." - Kent Hovind.
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The creationists exist for our amusement. Rancor toward them achieves nothing. It is not my Duty to open the eyes of their children. It is not my Duty to save anyone from his or her folly.
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And the last resort when arguments fail, use force.
The force of the IRSsssss, another weapon of the elite, in this case feminist-homosexualist atheism.
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Entinlude woke up off his keyboard and mechanically posted six comments in a row. A new day. Another day to tick off until atheist annihilation. What a life!
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Awwww,I'm on your mind. Hee hee hee.
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This is a good example of the evolution science peer review process in action.
Also really the strongest argument I have seen for evolution from LL community.
Keep discrediting yourselves, children, less work for me to do. :)
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"There is definitely a conspiracy, but I don't think that it is a human conspiracy. I don't believe there is a smoke filled room where a group of men get together, and decide to teach evolution in all the schools. I believe that it is at a much higher level. I believe that it is a Satanic conspiracy. The reason these different people come to the same conclusion is not because they all met together; it is because they all work for the devil. He is their leader and they don't even know i More..t." - Kent Hovind
Source: Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6 - a transcript of Kent Hovind's early sermons circa 1996.
You keep such brilliant company. Less..
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Cameron: "When you learn how to speak to a person's conscience and CIRCUMNAVIGATE THE INTELLECT, the subject of evolution seems to disappear."
Comfort: "... this is real good news for people like me. It means that I DON'T HAVE TO BECOME AN EXPERT on the fossil record and it also means I DON'T HAVE TO LEARN big words like Rhinorhondothackasaurus..."
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With the mountain of evidence discrediting this guy,and you constantly trying to present him as someone who has any relevance whatsoever to anything scientific is laughable.
Actually,it just makes you look like a troll.
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Tuesday, January 17, 2012
Healthy Peanut Butter Balls
Part of my healthy eating plan is to seriously cut down on sweets and dessert. The thing is, I find that most nights (especially after dinner) I crave a little something sweet. And if I don't get it, sometimes it's not pretty. Like exorcist, not pretty... It makes me feel like a failure, to crave sugar and let it affect my moods the way it does. So, I've been trying to find and think of healthy sweet treat recipes, that I could enjoy in moderation. I saw a recipe for Healthy PB Balls on Pinterest and altered it to suit my likes and what I had on hand. The result are phenomenal and I don't feel guilty indulging after dinner. Right out of the freezer, these little balls of goodness are fantastic.
These are not as creamy and smooth as your typical Peanut Butter Balls. These are studded with crunchy oats, wheat germ and flax meal. I find I like all these fillers, because I actually have to chew something, which makes me take longer to eat them, and I get to savour and enjoy them better. I decided to coat a few with cinnamon sugar and a few with cocoa powder. I prefer the cocoa powder covered ones when they are frozen and the cinnamon sugar ones at room temperature. Yes, I know..... I'm weird. This is going to be a staple in our house from now on. Even the kids love them and I it makes me happy that they are eating something that is super good for them, without complaining.
Healthy Peanut Butter Balls
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1 C light creamy peanut butter (natural peanut butter would be great as well)
2 Tbs honey
3/4 C large flake rolled oats
1 tsp wheat germ
1 tsp flax meal
2 tsp sweetened shredded coconut, toasted
cocoa powder and/or cinnamon sugar, to coat
In a bowl, mix together the peanut butter and honey, until well combined. In a separate bowl, combine the oats, wheat germ, flax meal and coconut, mixing well. Pour the dry ingredients into the peanut butter mixture and mix until well combined. The mixture will be dry at first, but keep mixing, it will combine into a smooth mixture. Spoon heaping table spoonfuls out and form into a ball. At this point you can roll the balls into the cocoa powder, or cinnamon sugar. If desired leave plain.
Cindy's notes: I find these are more firm if left in the freezer. You can eat them straight from the freezer, no need to thaw.
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- MM said...
Thanks for linking up. These are a great idea! I also have that late night sweet craving that blows to pieces any good I've done during the day.
- January 17, 2012 at 12:29 PM
- Kate said...
Visiting from MPM. These look so awesome!!! Have a great week!
- January 19, 2012 at 12:22 AM
- Karyn said...
I love healthy snacks like this. I love the idea of adding coconut in them... sounds great! Thanks for linking up @ Things That Make You Say Mmmmm! this week.
- January 21, 2012 at 11:21 AM
- Krista said...
Yummy! My son would love these. Thanks for sharing at Church Supper. Have a blessed week and see you again next Sunday ~EMM
- January 22, 2012 at 9:59 AM
- Donna said...
oooooo...who doesn't love the words Peanut Butter & HEALTHY in the same sentence?? Just lovely!
- January 22, 2012 at 12:05 PM
- April @ The 21st Century Housewife said...
These Peanut Butter Balls sound like the perfect solution for craving for something sweet. I like all the healthy ingredients they have in them. Thank you for sharing your recipe with the Hearth and Soul hop.
- January 23, 2012 at 7:02 AM
- Alea Milham said...
Your peanut butter balls look fantastic - so healthy and delicious. Thanks for sharing this recipe with the Hearth and Soul Hop.
- January 24, 2012 at 1:33 AM
- Amee said...
I love this recipe! So good! Thanks for sharing on Fit and Fabulous Fridays!! :)
- January 25, 2012 at 9:17 PM
Can u make without wheat germ and flax? Only cause i have everything else but those ingredients and want.to make some now.
- January 16, 2013 at 10:29 AM
- Cindy Hunwhatsfordinner said...
Absolutely. You can omit the flax and wheat germ. Enjoy!!
- January 16, 2013 at 10:53 AM


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Rolling Stone Announces "Radio" at WebNoize
Rolling Stone Radio combines advertising, electronic commerce, and user-interactive features---such as accessing biographical information about favorite artists---by incorporating RealNetworks Radio Toolkit, a software program with G2 streaming technology. Executives hope that Rolling Stone Radio will "revolutionize the way fans discover new music on the web," as JamTV chairman Howard Tullman put it. He expects that the combination of RealNetwork's "ground-breaking audio quality" and Rolling Stone's massive artist-and-repertoire archives will be hugely successful in a market niche that may soon become glutted.
One of the new service's most useful features is the onscreen display of song title and artist, which users can click on to access tour schedules, biographies, videos, photos, and discographies. Playlists of various genres---including Guitar Rock, Pop Hits, R&B, Country, Classic Rock, Electronica, Hip-Hop, and Dance Hits---can be affected by listeners making use of an "instant vote" feature. Tracks getting large numbers of votes will earn more frequent play. Jann Wenner, publisher of Rolling Stone, called the new venture "a natural extension of the magazine . . . it marries radio and the interactivity of the Internet, giving music fans an exciting new way to listen, discover, decide, rate, discuss, and buy it immediately if they love it."
Instant gratification is one of Rolling Stone Radio's big draws. With a few mouse clicks, listeners can buy a disc while listening to it. RSR's streaming audio, delivered via RealSystem G2 SureStream, is said to "seamlessly deliver multiple stream rates of music without audio interruption due to re-buffering and net congestion."
David Bowie has not yet appeared as a Rolling Stone Radio DJ. He will come on later, presumably after initial bugs have been worked out. "My first playlist will include favorite songs from the last five decades," he said. "I'm hoping the world will tune in and join me."


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LAWRENCEBURG, Tenn. – Several Middle Tennessee school districts closed early Thursday due to flooding.
Wayne County School District dismissed at 10:15 a.m., while Lawrence County School District closed at 12 noon.
Dr. Bill Heath, the Lawrence County Director of Schools, told News 2 that any flooding was cause for concern.
"We have 78 bus routes, a lot of them out in rural areas with low water bridges," said Heath, "so anytime it rains like it has been, we monitor the situation closely. I just had a report right now in the south end of the county of some flooding, so we made the right call and it's based on safety and security."
Parents at New Prospect Elementary School in Lawrenceburg like Lisa Keener say they don't mind changing their plans on short notice.
"I know when I was a kid in school it was hard for the school buses sometimes to get around," said Keener. "So I think when there's snow and rain and ice and stuff like that it's a good idea for them to dismiss, for the health and safety of the kids and the teachers and the community itself."
The Smith County School District dismissed two hours early.
Despite extensive flooding in southern Rutherford County near Christiana, Rutherford County Schools did not let out early.
Schools' spokesperson James Evans said officials decided school was the safest place for the students to be.
He told News 2 buses are running as usual but drivers will take alternate routes around flooded roadways if need be.
Parents can also make arrangements to come and pick up their children at school.
Evans said a decision about Friday had not yet been made.
Daylong rain in September is rare in Tennessee and a National Weather Service forecaster calls a week of it "very unusual."
September and October are usually the dryer months of the year.
Rain is in the forecast for Middle Tennessee for the rest of the week with at least a 70% chance Thursday and Friday.
The rain chances do slacken a little for the weekend, down to a 50% chance on both Saturday and Sunday.
Check the latest forecast and radar conditions at NashvilleWX.com.
Related Stories:
- Sept. 17, 2009: Flood victims forced from homes in Christiana
- Sept. 17, 2009: Flood watches, warnings issued as rain continues
- Sept. 16, 2009: Flooding closes Putnam County schools
- Aug. 18, 2009: Mayor tours stormwater projects
- April 3, 2009: Storms highlight need for water, sewer repairs


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McCain campaign manager to visit Republican whips
John McCain's campaign manager will meet with the top Republican vote counters in the House Tuesday afternoon.
Rick Davis is slated to meet with Republicans on Missouri Rep. Roy Blunt's whip team Tuesday afternoon, a GOP congressional aide said. This is part of the McCain team's outreach to congressional Republicans as the presumptive GOP presidential candidate prepares for a general election bid against the surviving Democrat.
The Arizona senator has had strained relations with his GOP colleagues in the House over the years, but he and his advisers have worked hard in recent months to build support on Capitol Hill. Given massive disadvantages in both fundraising and turnout during the primary election contests, Republicans have stressed the need for unity in what was once considered a longshot bid for the White House.


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Natural gas futures regained some of Tuesday's steep losses, bouncing back from a fall prompted by disappointing industrial production data.
Natural gas for June delivery recently traded up 3.1 cents, or 0.74%, at $4.213 a million British thermal units on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
The benchmark contract lost 13.2 cents Tuesday when the Federal Reserve said industries used 76.9% of their capacity last month, down 0.1 percentage point from the revised 77% March figure. Manufacturing capacity utilization dropped 0.4 percentage point to 74.4%.
It was the first decline in nearly a year for industrial activity, which accounts for one-third of U.S. natural-gas demand.
The market's reaction to such data is usually muted, but with little weather-related news to move on, the Federal Reserve report was "hard to ignore," said Jim Ritterbusch, who heads Illinois trading advisory firm Ritterbusch & Associates.
"With natural gas production still on the uptrend, this market will likely be reliant upon further demand gains from the industrial sector if any price advances are to be sustained through the balance of the spring," Ritterbusch wrote in a client note.
The U.S. Energy Information Administration recently predicted that production levels will remain high throughout the spring season, during which gas is injected into storage, and that milder weather milder last summer will prevent much of it from being burned to power air conditioning. The result, the agency said, will likely be record stockpiles of natural gas this fall.
In the near-term, forecasters are predicting mild weather, which should lead to large injections into storage during the next few weeks.
Meteorologists with private forecaster Commodity Weather Group predict cool temperatures will replace the current warmer-than-normal weather in the Midwest next week and push toward the East Coast.
"The market seems to have become more comfortable with the forecast of much-below-normal weather for the next five days and was not impressed by normal to above-normal weather predictions in the next 6-15 day period across much of the United States," analysts with Barclays Capital wrote in a client note.
Meanwhile, natural gas for next-day delivery at the benchmark Henry Hub in Louisiana recently traded at $4.16/MMBtu, according to IntercontinentalExchange, down 8.6 cents from Tuesday's average. Natural gas for Wednesday delivery at Transcontinental Zone 6 in New York traded at $4.44/MMBtu, down 9.5 cents from Tuesday.
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Hi, Darrell from buyberlin here,
This is my first post here and I'm looking forward to some interesting debates on what looks like a great forum.
The Berlin Buy to Let market is beginning to flourish. Since the East has merged with the West, Berlin property is quietly becoming the bargain of the century. There are many options for purchasing property in Berlin. Berlin property costs around 90% per square metre less than comparable properties in London, yet average gross yields in London (and Paris) are now below 5%. You can take out loans at 4 to 5% in Germany and the return on that investment is above 6% and sometimes higher, as high as 8%. This means that a Berlin Property investment is currently one of the most sound investments you can make.
German property investment can be confusing especially if your only prior experience of purchasing a property is within your native homeland. Berlin Estate agents may be your first port of call to enquire about what Berlin properties they may have available. However even if you understand the German language, Berlin real estate or Berlin immobielien is a totally different process to that of most countries. We can find your German property for you and assist with your Berlin buy to let mortgage and furnishing of your Berlin property
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I'm certainly not sure and I have looked at it. Also, 8% is not a great return. With leveraged seller finance you can easily achieve 13% + in Thailand and over 20% in the US right now, today. If you know where to look.
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So how can you claim 8% is good?
Also, you never actually answered how you've reached your conclusion...
Re: Berlin a good investment?
The question itself is interesting. Comparing Berlin to London or Paris.
You can NOT compare Berlin to other capitals. Berlin is not Germany's "London".
Bonn used to be the capital for a long time - after the wall well Berlin was the capital again.
As a "real" capital was missing in Western Germany and Bonn is a boring small town with nothing interesting to offer.
After the reunition, politically Berlin had to become the capital again. But half of Berlin needed to be demolished and built new. So prices were down as land and buildings were almost free and there was no competition in buying anything. A lot of property didnt find buyers and you could get it at a court auction for 1 Euro.
Since then, prices increased and adapted again.
But still: Berlin has 25% unemployed people and if you rent out to people you need to check their background to ensure you get paid. Most Germans rent property and dont own property. So the legislation is pro-renters.
Even if they don't pay the rent, you can not just kick them out of your own flat.
Berlin is not "London" of Germany as there is hardly any jobs and most people don't have money.
Berlin is still a kind of "island" and many kilometers outside of Berlin is *nothing*. If you drive in any random direction from Berlin for 1 or 2 hours you can get houses for 5000 Euros and ghost towns start to appear as people move away into Berlin or other cities.
Rents in Berlin got more expensive but still are extremely low. So the property price compared to the annual rent it not an investment - you get better interest rates on a bank account. So if you buy property in Berlin, you assume property prices will increase in the long-term. This is speculation and right now I think Berlin is close to having reached the maximum prices.
If you look at Munich for example, the "secret capital" of Germany, rents are a lot higher. In the town center you pay 15 Euros / squaremeters - in the old time sometimes even 20 Euros / squaremeter. House prices are higher then in Berlin, but as the rent is also a lot higher, so Munich is often still the better choice - if you find something to buy.
As unemployement rate in Munich is around 2,5% and many people are rich in Munich, there is hardly anything left to buy - you need to wait and be patient and decide quickly to buy something. Munich is growing in the long-term - house prices never went down in Munich - only during the dot com phase when prices went down a little bit for 2 or 3 years.
You should never look at prices per squremeter alone - you need to look at:
- rent / squaremeter
- unemployment rate
- long-term prospective and growth rate
- long-term prospestive for economical growth
In the very-long term, Germany is NOT a good investment (e.g. 30 years) as there is more people dying then being born and there is a huge problem with the demographic development. Even if a baby boom started now, there will still be a lot less people in 20 years that will not pay taxes as they go to university until they are 26-28 on average.
So Germany will soon be a country of pensioners - and 1 working person needs to support 2-3 pensioners as the German pension system does not work. The German pension system relies on people being born to pay for the pensioners.
But in 2030 there will be too many penioners and only few people that will work and pay taxes.
If you want to invest in Germany, I would go for alternative cities or buy a forrest or farming land. Farming land is a lot cheaper then in the UK - and food will be even more valuable in the future.
Also you need to look at Germany not with a British view. The UK is more centralized then Germany. In the UK most companies and money is in London. Germany is more decentralized. There is many towns and people move to towns were they find jobs and are quite mobile. In London not many would move to Scotland because they found a job there.
Also the university is a different one. In Germany nobody care about were you went to universitiy, as all university degrees from all towns are treated equally. Names of universities do not matter on a job application.
Germany is quite different from the UK. Distances in Germany are also "shorted" as there is many motorways and often no speed limit. So 400 km can easily be reached in 2 hours by car on average - depending on the time when you drive and traffic situation of course. The railway system is also quite good and within Germany only distances like Berlin-Munich or Munich Hamburg are worth to go on a plane, although still many people prefer the train or car even for north-south or south-north trips.
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48 Schools Named Finalists For Intel And Scholastic Schools Of Distinction Awards
Subject: Cases and Cooling | April 11, 2006 - 02:37 PM | Jeremy Hellstrom
NEW YORK, April 11, 2006 - Forty-eight schools have been named as finalists for the Intel and Scholastic Schools of Distinction Awards. The awards honor schools for implementing innovative and replicable programs that support positive educational outcomes.
The schools will compete for $190,000 in grants from the Intel Foundation and additional prizes from sponsoring companies will be presented at an awards ceremony in October. The 3-year-old awards program is sponsored by Intel, the world's leader in silicon innovation and long-time champion of educational improvement, and Scholastic, the global children's publishing, education and media company.
Read more about it at the Intel Pressroom.
Source: Intel Press Room
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