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By Wendy Ponte
Issue 96, September/October 1999
On a cold December day, Kerry Jane King took a walk through the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens with her visiting elderly parents and her 13-month-old daughter, Bernice, who was asleep in the stroller. Their planned walk took them to the garden's conservatory, a large complex that houses several indoor gardens and a cafe, the only eatery within a 20-minute radius. They would have some lunch and take a break from the cold air.
"No strollers are allowed inside," said the security guard at the entrance, looking bored.
King explained that Bernice was napping and asked to speak to a supervisor, but, in the end, she and her parents were forced to take turns waiting outside with the baby while the others had lunch. The supervisor would not even allow them to wait just inside the door, where it was warm. Also, they were told if they chose to wake her up and carry her inside, the gardens would not take responsibility for watching the stroller.
Parents expect their lives to become more complex when they have children. When we discuss the possibility of starting a family, joking about the loss of freedom and convenience that is sure to come is de rigueur.
However, few of us are prepared for the often harsh reality of life with children in public situations. Many of us are surprised when we are made to feel our children are not welcome or when we are not allowed to use the tools (such as a stroller) we need to conduct our lives. Sometimes the vehemence with which these restrictions are imposed is very shocking. We worry about how this negativity might affect our children's self-esteem. Sadly, few of us feel we have the right to make a "fuss"; we don't try to change the situations that cause us, and our children, such discomfort.
It often seems to parents as though our country is still operating under the old Victorian cliche "children should be seen and not heard." Sometimes it can seem like even the "seen" part is dubious.
It's Just a Feeling
Parents find the unspoken antipathy with which they, and their children, are often greeted to be particularly difficult to deal with. "Sometimes it's just a look," says mother Jennifer Lee of Wellesley, Massachusetts, "but you know you are not really welcome there."
Michele Mason is a lactation consultant and the mother of three children, ages four, nine, and 11. She clearly remembers boarding a plane with her first infant at the outset of a trip. "The looks I got from the other passengers were shocking," she says. "They did not want to be sitting next to us, and you could see the relief in their eyes as I walked past their aisle."
Once she did find her seat, things weren't much better. The woman sitting next to her made it clear she did not approve of Mason nursing her child on the plane. The one time the baby did actually cry (not bad for a six-hour flight) everyone glared at her. "In general I felt a new awakening about how children are treated in public," reports Mason.
Parents have become so used to feeling the unspoken antipathy with which they and their children are greeted that many are anxious before they've even left their own front doors. Parents know that the expectations many adults seem to have of children's "good" behavior are not necessarily realistic for young children. Children are noisier and less inhibited than adults by nature, not by choice; and it is not always possible or advisable for parents to "control" them.
No Children Allowed Here
In some situations, children are outright prohibited. Prior to the birth of my daughter, Adelaide, my husband and I frequently stayed at a bed and breakfast in Massachusetts when visiting my extended family. This lovely inn, on an old farm, had only two guest rooms, and we had developed something of a rapport with the owners.
When Adelaide was only a few weeks old, we planned a trip to Massachusetts to introduce her to all my cousins. I called the inn to make my reservation and was told, "Sorry, but we just don't allow children here."
This disappointment, mixed with a sense of shame and rejection, during an already difficult time in my life as a new mom was very difficult to deal with. "These are crucial moments in people's lives," says Dr. Joseph Cancelmo, a psychologist and coauthor with Carol Bandini of the newly released book Childcare for Love or Money? "You really mess with people's ability to eke out some family experience of personal enjoyment," he says, "and it's sad."
Breastfeeding in Public
Perhaps the most difficult public situation many mothers face is one they may have to deal with the moment they become a parent. Although there is more acceptance of breastfeeding than there used to be, the situation is far from perfect.
When Julie Triedman's daughter, Olivia, was four months old, she went on an afternoon outing to the Prospect Park Zoo in Brooklyn with her husband and two-year-old son. Olivia began to cry, and Triedman knew it was time to feed her. She left the others, sat down on a bench in a quiet part of the zoo's plaza near the exit stairs, and began to nurse. Just as she was finishing, she saw a guard slowly approach, jingling his key. "You can go inside and do that, you know; this is a public place," he said.
Triedman knew that New York State law was on her side but felt humiliated and angered by the implication that she was doing something wrong. "Every time I return to the zoo and see that guard, I cringe," she says.
Nursing women feel vulnerable because, while doctors suggest nursing up to age one, the public often gives another message: stay home to do it. Since newborns need to nurse often and at unpredictable times, this would make many women prisoners in their own homes.
"This is a problem in many states, even those with laws protecting breastfeeding in public," says Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney, who is currently working on a new bill that will support a working woman's right to pump on the job. "I think we need to educate people about breastfeeding as a natural choice for many women. Unfortunately, many people learn by example, so when they see or hear about incidents where breastfeeding is not accepted in public, these women do not feel like they are supported in their decision to breastfeed."
Wheelchairs, Yes. Strollers, No
When my daughter was ten months old, I spent a day at the Baltimore Aquarium with her and my father. We purchased our tickets and followed the signs to the entrance only to discover that it was accessible by a very long set of stairs without even one landing in the middle.
"Is there an elevator?" I asked the guard.
"You have to carry the stroller up," he said. "The elevator is only for disabled persons."
Between the two of us we would have been able to manage the stroller and our bags, but I wondered what I would have done had I been alone or had back problems (or twins). We spoke to a supervisor, who finally relented and allowed us to use the elevator, justifying it to herself by announcing that my father — a strong, healthy man of 70 — was "elderly" and needed the assistance.
Once we got to the top we were so grateful to have been spared the task of carrying my daughter up all the stairs we didn't even bother quibbling when we discovered that strollers were not allowed inside the exhibits at all. At least the aquarium provided a secure place to stash it and supplied a backpack child carrier. If my child had been two or older, though, I imagine it would have been quite difficult to carry her on my back the entire time.
"The problem with this is it really is a rejection, not only of the kids, but of the parents as adults trying to get through the world in their family unit," says Dr. Cancelmo, himself a father. "You are really robbing the children of a moment with the parent in a place that will, hopefully, come to feel important to them as museum-going adults. You can't get through a museum with a toddler if they're not in a stroller — they fall asleep and wake up and fall asleep again."
Toddlers are quite difficult to manage, as any parent can tell you. They have great mobility and energy but do not yet have the good sense to monitor themselves safely. They have an uncanny ability to find whatever is dangerous and head right for it. A stroller can be a parent's best friend in public situations because it provides protection for the child.
"When my son was less than two years old, we were told we could not enter a store with our stroller," says Jennifer Lee. "The ironic thing was that this was a store that actually sold strollers."
In this case the reason cited was that strollers would violate the fire code. Fire codes, in most states, prohibit the blockage of. an exit or the pathway leading to one. However, a myriad of other items, such as shopping carts, vacuum cleaners, and A/V carts, take up even more room than a stroller does, and yet these items are commonly allowed in stores and office buildings.
Many professional buildings prohibit the use of strollers on their premises and claim this restriction has been placed on them by their insurance companies, which are concerned with liability issues if someone trips over one, for example. This was the reason for the Brooklyn Botanical Garden's policy against strollers, which affected Kerry Jane King and her family earlier in this story. King was told there had been an earlier incident of someone tripping on a stroller and suing the gardens.
Interestingly, I was not able to find one major insurance company that places any restrictions on the use of strollers by the buildings they insure. "It would be difficult to find any reference to strollers in any policy language," a spokesperson for The Hartford says. "We used to hear that line about insurance companies and liability all the time," says Joe Reich, a 25-year wheelchair veteran and code specialist for Advocates of Persons with Disabilities.
While the relatively short-lived difficulties facing the parents of a young child cannot begin to compare to the lifelong hardships of a disabled person, there are some parallels. Small children have trouble walking because they are very young. We do not deny disabled persons the use of their wheelchairs; why does our culture feel it is all right to deny young children the use of their strollers?
With regard to disabled people, parents of young children also benefited from the Americans with Disabilities Act when it was introduced ten years ago. Wheelchair ramps and wider aisles come in handy for strollers, too. Extra-large bathroom stalls allow parents to take their children inside without having to remove them from the strollers; stores that have changing tables usually put them in these larger stalls.
Parents Get a Bad Rap
To say there is a real prejudice against parents and children in our country may seem too strong, but it often rings true. Despite a lot of talk about "family values" on Capitol Hill, there is a real lack of support for parents from our government when it comes to things like subsidized child care and tax breaks. Also, to date there is no federal law protecting women who wish to breastfeed in public.
A look at how parents are portrayed in the media gives us more clues about current societal attitudes. In sitcoms, parents are typically presented as buffoons, bumbling and fumbling their way through life. "In the late '90s, the mass media bombards us with negative stereotypes of moms and dads. It seems that every time we turn on TV, watch a movie, or read a magazine, we are confronted with yet another dismissive put-down of the parental role and function," say Sylvia Ann Hewlett and Cornell West in their recent book The War Against Parents.
But why do such negative feelings about parenting come out in public situations?
One answer may be that many of today's parents are unwilling to compromise their freedom and are, therefore, taking their children out more often and to more kinds of places. Moreover, people in general tend to spend more time in restaurants and other public spaces.
These recent trends create conflict. After arguing over a seat for my toddler with someone at a very noisy antique auction in upstate New York, an nearby older woman turned to me and said with vehemence, "I never took my children to auctions!"
Also children are very honest. Their emotions and frustrations are right there for all to see, which can be intimidating to adults, especially those who would prefer not to be in touch with their own, often difficult emotions. "Kids have a way of putting us in touch with our own vulnerabilities," says Dr. Cancelmo.
Take the reaction to Michele Mason's infant on the plane, for example. "Some of it can have to do with not having been around children, but that's the easy explanation," Dr. Cancelmo suggests. "On another level, here is a situation where most people, as comfortable as they tell you they feel about it, have to cope psychologically with being on a plane." An angry reaction to a noisy child is an easy way to vent their anxiety and not have to take responsibility for it.
Hewlett and West suggest another explanation for the negative response to families in public. "Millions of adult Americans became overinvolved with the self," starting in the 1960s, they say, "pouring their best energies into a set of personal goals that ranged from career success to sexual freedom." While people, especially women, have worked hard to achieve these laudable and necessary goals, this concern with the self may have created less tolerance in our culture for the pressing needs of children.
What Can Be Done
What are some ways that we, as parents, can begin to chip away at the negative attitudes towards families in public?
One important step is to make an effort to recognize business that do go out of their way to create a family-friendly atmosphere. Cover to Cover Booksellers, in San Francisco's Noe Valley, is an example of a store that really embraces families. They sell books for adults and also have a large children's book section, but that's only part of it. They have a toy basket and a Victorian playhouse, run kids' events (such as a mother-daughter book club), and provide parents with an area for stroller "parking."
"We've raised six kids in this store, till they went off to nursery school, and we've never had a problem," says store owner Nicky Salan. This policy toward families has really paid off for Cover to Cover Booksellers (or "Babyland," as area residents have nicknamed it), which has just moved into a new space with twice the square footage of its previous store.
Michele Mason, the mother of the infant on the plane, became so acutely aware of the positive difference a family-friendly operation could make in her life that, in 1997, she founded the Child-Friendly Initiative (CFI) in order to raise public awareness of the need for such businesses.
CFI has established a set of criteria to describe what constitutes "child-friendly" when it comes to stores, restaurants, and other businesses. It suggests providing a small play area with toys for kids, installing changing tables and a chair for women to nurse, and making sure there is a place for parents to leave their strollers; there are also less tangible improvements, like taking a moment to acknowledge children when they enter a store. Mason stresses that sometimes small changes are enough.
CFI plans to hold nationwide forums to help educate businesses and the general public on these issues. The first of these will be in San Francisco this spring.
Isn't it appropriate, though, to have some places where adults can go for a little peace and quiet, without the presence of children? Certainly, but the problem is that the "family-style" restaurants and inns that currently exist often tend to be chain operations, without an emphasis on original cuisine, service, and decor. Perhaps if there were more family-friendly establishments and better quality of service, parents would not feel so keenly the prohibitions against children from other businesses.
Parents have to make their needs known on a community level. One way to do this is to patronize and praise businesses that are family-friendly and vocalize our displeasure against those that are not.
We also need to make a point of praising individuals who help us with our kids, from the lady who holds the door open for our stroller to the waiter who brings our toddler some crayons and paper to play with.
It is also important for us to acknowledge and praise the effort other parents are making when they come into public with their children. Eileen Wilson, of Hickory, North Carolina, was waiting in a doctor's office with her infant son, Joseph, when it became clear he needed to nurse.
"Joseph is a very noisy nurser," says Wilson. She noticed an older woman sitting across the waiting room staring at her. After some time the woman got up and approached her. Wilson braced herself for a confrontation but was surprised when the woman remarked, "Those are the sweetest sounds I have ever heard a baby make! It makes me long to nurse again."
"Since that wonderful experience, I have never been embarrassed by his noises in public," says Wilson. The positive reinforcement Wilson received from a stranger made a huge difference in her life.
What about how our children feel? How will negative responses to them in public affect their self-esteem?
How parents respond in these situations is key, according to Dr. Cancelmo. He cautions against overreacting. "Parents can feel a sense of rejection that their kids might not even be aware of," he says. Parents can minimize the situation by reassuring them, for example, that the pasta at the next restaurant is just as good, and it will be a nicer place to eat, anyway. Then, later, they can certainly call or write a letter to the offending restaurant or store to make their feelings known.
Finally, parents need to support those politicians who are working on new legislation that will make their lives as parents easier. Changing the law will help, over time, to improve public perceptions of children, just as new legislation about access for people with disabilities has improved tolerance towards their needs.
Effecting change, and standing up for our rights as parents, is never easy, especially in the face of strong opposition. The hard work is worth it, though.
Why It Is So Important
Children learn who they are not only from how their parents and peers treat them but also from how they are treated by complete strangers. When they are made to feel that they are valuable and that their needs are worthy of respect, they learn to value themselves; they also learn how to treat others with respect.
It is to everyone's advantage to make sure this happens because, all too soon, today's children will be running the world. They will grow up to become the doctors who care for our generation in our old age and the bankers who will assist us in managing our money.
"Children are likely to live up to what you believe of Them," said Lady Bird Johnson. Perhaps our society needs to work to ensure that our beliefs about children are worth living up to.
Cancelmo, Dr. Joseph A., and Carol Bandini. Childcare for Love or Money? A Guide to Navigating the Parent-Caregiver Relationship. Northvale, NJ: Jason Aronson Inc., 1999. Talks about the feelings that can arise for both parents and caregivers regarding their own unresolved childhood issues.
Elkind, David. Ties That Stress: The New Family Imbalance. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1995. A look at the changing structure of the post-modern family with an emphasis on the need to give kids more priority.
Hewlett, Sylvia Ann, and Cornell West. The War Against Parents: What We Can Do for America's Beleaguered Moms and Dads. New York: Houghton Mifflin Co., 1998. Discusses in detail our government's lack of support for parents.
Louv, Richard. Childhood's Future: Listening to the American Family — Hope and Solutions for the Next Generation. New York: Houghton Mifflin Co., 1991. Although this book is now almost nine years old, it is still timely. Focuses on the problems of today's families. One chapter, "Creating the Family-Friendly City," suggests ways cities need to be redesigned in order to satisfy the current needs of families.
Small, Meredith F. Our Babies Our Selves. New York: Doubleday, 1999. A look at how much our thinking about children is culturally driven. Portraits of attitudes towards kids in other cultures.
Also see the following articles in past issues of Mothering: "The Madonna about Town," no. 74 and "Breastfeeding in Public," no. 57.
About Wendy Ponte
Wendy Ponte writes about family issues and travel. She lives in Brooklyn, New York, with her husband, Bob Usdin, and their three-year-old daughter, Adelaide.
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WASHINGTON – Late Tuesday, Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) introduced a bill that would prohibit the use of Justice Department funds to prosecute the accused 9/11 plotters in federal court. Representative Frank Wolf (R-VA) introduced a companion bill in the House that would do the same thing.
Senator Graham attempted to attach a nearly identical amendment to the Commerce, Justice, Science and Related Agencies Appropriations Act in November. That amendment was defeated by a vote of 54-45. The cosponsors of the bill introduced in the Senate today were the same senators who voted for Graham's failed amendment last fall. The proposal has not picked up any additional supporters.
Both the Senate and House bills would obstruct the Obama administration's plans to prosecute the 9/11 suspects in federal court, reopening the possibility that they would be tried in the discredited military commissions system instead. The American Civil Liberties Union strongly believes that the appropriate place to try terrorism suspects is in federal criminal court, and that the military commissions are a second class system of justice which should be shut down for good.
The following can be attributed to Christopher Anders, ACLU Senior Legislative Counsel:
"This is a case of déjà vu, with the same senators introducing the same legislation that was rejected by the Senate less than three months ago. The Senate already rejected this proposal, and there is no reason to play out the same scenario over and over again. Congress should stop trying to interfere with criminal prosecutions and let experienced Justice Department prosecutors go forward with criminal trials of the alleged September 11 plotters. The U.S. has successfully tried and convicted more than 200 international defendants on terrorism crimes in federal courts. We see no reason for Congress not to dismiss these bills as easily as Senator Graham's amendment was dismissed last year."
The following can be attributed to Ben Wizner, staff attorney with the ACLU National Security Project:
"Despite pressure from Congress and other sources, the Obama administration should stay the course and try the 9/11 suspects in federal courts, where they belong. The administration made the correct decision when it announced that the 9/11 suspects would be brought to justice in our federal courts, and reversing course due to political pressure would be a miscarriage of American justice. The Constitution does not include an on-off switch. Terrorists are criminals, not warriors, and the U.S. should try all terrorism cases in federal courts where they belong.
"Our federal courts are more than capable of handling sensitive security issues while preserving American values and legal standards. On the other hand, even with recent improvements, the military commission system is designed to ensure convictions rather than fair trials, and still fails to ensure basic due process guaranteed by U.S. and international law."

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|This list consists of past and present churches in Brown County, along with a short synopsis of the church's history, church records (when known), and location (many of which are probably inaccurate). Any corrections or additions would be appreciated.
Aberdeen Churches
Aberdeen Alliance Church
1106 S. Roosevelt St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-7305
Phone: (605) 225-9724
Established in 1926, this evangelical church has been instrumental in establishing other Alliance churches in the Aberdeen area in Doland and Houghton.
Aberdeen Evangelical Free Church
PO Box 1345, Aberdeen, SD 57402-1345
Phone: (605) 229-5080
Aberdeen Evangelical Lutheran Churches
1015 N. Highway 281, Aberdeen, SD 57401-1832
Phone: (605) 226-0092
Aberdeen Wesleyan Church
1701 8th Ave. NE, Aberdeen, SD 57401-3204
Phone: (605) 225-2873
This church, originally the Wesleyan Methodist Church, was established seven miles west of Aberdeen in 1886. They built their first church in Aberdeen soon after, and the congregation has grown to include a radio broadcast and campground.
Calvary Baptist Church
515 8th Ave. NW, Aberdeen, SD 57401-1801
Phone: (605) 225-1866
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
E. Fairgrounds Rd, Aberdeen, SD 57401-7906
Phone: (605) 225-0601
Church Of Christ
1801 S. Lincoln St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-7403
Phone: (605) 225-3621
Church Of God Family Worship Center
1204 N. Pennsylvania St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-2157
Phone: (605) 225-5444
Community Christian Church
302 N. Lincoln St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-3506
Phone: (605) 225-2377
Evangelical Lutheran Church In America
215 4th Ave. SE, Aberdeen, SD 57401-4330
Phone: (605) 225-3119
1429 N Dakota St, Aberdeen, SD 57401-2169
Phone: (605) 226-1990
1732 S. Main St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-7429
Phone: (605) 229-1321
Faith United Methodist Church
503 S. Jay St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-4447
Phone: (605) 225-6033
Family Worship Center
1204 N. Pennsylvania St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-2157
Phone: (605) 225-5444
First Assembly Of God
Hwy 281 N, Aberdeen, SD 57401-3204
Phone: (605) 225-5322
This congregation officially organized April 7, 1938, their first service held in a tent. They soon after built a church, and have recently moved from there to their new location.
First Baptist Church
1500 E. Melgaard Road, Aberdeen, SD 57401-7714
Phone: (605) 225-9581
The congregation of the First Baptist Church was first established in 1882.
First Church Of The Nazarene
1720 S. Roosevelt St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-7820
Phone: (605) 225-7384
First Presbyterian Church
318 S. Kline St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-4450
Phone: (605) 225-6753
Established in 1881, the first congregation and church established in Aberdeen.
First Reformed Church
9th Ave. & Dakota St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-4450
Phone: (605) 225-6120
First United Methodist Church
502 S. Lincoln St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-4321
Phone: (605) 225-5680
Originally incorporated in 1884, this is one of the earliest churches in Aberdeen.
First United Pentecostal Church
1302 8th Ave. NE, Aberdeen, SD 57401-3101
Phone: (605) 225-6090
Grace Free Lutheran Church
2010 Prospect Ave., Aberdeen, SD 57401-6571
Phone: (605) 226-2290
Hope New Church
SBC Fairgrounds Rd & North Dakota, Aberdeen, SD 57401-6571
Phone: (605) 229-4673
Living Word Bible Church
Aberdeen, SD 57401-6571
Phone: (605) 229-5833
Melgaard Park Baptist Church
502 E. Melgaard Road, Aberdeen, SD 57401-7603
Phone: (605) 229-1193
This church was established by a Baptist missionary and his wife in 1957 as the Bible Baptist Church, changing to it's present name in 1975.
North Higland United Methodist Church
1404 N. State St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-2167
Phone: (605) 226-1279
Old Apostolic Church
1223 4th Ave. SW, Aberdeen, SD 57401-3721
Phone: (605) 226-3279
Our Savior Lutheran Church
624 N. Jay St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-2911
Phone: (605) 225-7106
This division of the Missouri Lutheran Synod was established in 1947, the majority of the members coming from St. Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church.
Plymouth Congregational United Church
W Melgaard Rd & S. 4th St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-2911
Phone: (605) 225-2557
Praise Family Bible Church
214 1st Ave. SE, Aberdeen, SD 57401-4238
Phone: (605) 226-2331
Sacred Heart Catholic Church
409 3rd Ave. SE, Aberdeen, SD 57401-4414
Phone: (605) 225-7065
Originally established to serve the Irish Catholics of Aberdeen in 1882.
Saint Mary's Catholic Church
215 N. Arch St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-3576
Phone: (605) 229-4422
424 2nd Ave. NE, Aberdeen, SD 57401-3575
Phone: (605) 225-8732
Originally established to served the German Russian Catholic congregation of Aberdeen, this church was incorporated in 1903. A church history is available from the Germans from Russia Heritage Collection. Marriage and death records are available from the Thomas J. Hoffman Collection (search the collection for 'Aberdeen').
Saint Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church
214 7th Ave. SW, Aberdeen, SD 57401-5950
Phone: (605) 225-1847
This congregation's first church was established October 18, 1903, the present one was built in 1910. Service's were held in German and English until the 1950s. Our Saviour Lutheran Church grew out of this original congregation.
Scandinavia Bethany Lutheran Parish
39496 140th St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-8550
Phone: (605) 229-4587
Seventh-Day Adventist Church
825 12th Ave. SE, Aberdeen, SD 57401-7215
Phone: (605) 225-2185
Saint Mark's Episcopal Church
1410 N. Kline St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-2103
Phone: (605) 225-0474
Trinity Baptist Church
Melgaard & Main, Aberdeen, SD 57401-2103
Phone: (605) 226-2498
Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church
915 S. Dakota St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-6362
Phone: (605) 225-6081
This church, a member of the Wisconsin Synod, was originally established in Aberdeen in 1954.
Zion Christian Fellowship
824 S. Roosevelt St., Aberdeen, SD 57401-6551
Phone: (605) 226-2172
Groton Churches
Emmanuel Lutheran Church
1006 N. 2nd St., Groton, SD 57445-2170
Phone: (605) 397-2354
First Presbyterian Church
300 N. Main St., Groton, SD 57445-2158
Phone: (605) 397-8323
Saint Elizabeth Ann Seton Church
107 E. 7th Ave., Groton, SD 57445-7429
Phone: (605) 397-2775
Saint John's Catholic Church
706 N. Main St., Groton, SD 57445-2150
Phone: (605) 397-2775
Saint John's Lutheran Church
308 W. 2nd Ave., Groton, SD 57445-7438
Phone: (605) 397-2386
Saint John's holds the records for the Trinity Lutheran Congregation in James.
United Methodist Church
906 N. 1st St., Groton, SD 57445-2192
Phone: (605) 397-2670
Other Brown County Churches
Augustana Lutheran Church
12327 411th Ave., Claremont, SD 57432-7308
Phone: (605) 294-5340
United Methodist Church
201 6th St., Claremont, SD 57432-6551
Phone: (605) 294-5831
This congregation was one of the original ones of Claremont, and still continues to the present. The old church is now used as a museum.
Congregational Church
201 N. Broadway St., Columbia, SD 57433
Phone: (605) 396-2412
Saint John's Lutheran Church
23 N. James St., Columbia, SD 57433
Phone: (605) 396-2349
Detroit Methodist Church
Detroit, SD
Originally incorporated in September 1883, the church continued after the town of Detroit was abandoned in 1886. The church site was moved in 1892, but attendance declined and it is no longer in existence.
Frederick Catholic Church
Frederick, SD
Frederick Methodist Church
Frederick, SD
Established in November, 1882, this organization built their first community church, serving both Methodists and Lutherans, in 1886. It declined in the 1920s.
Savo Lutheran Church
PO Box 558, Frederick, SD 57441-0558
Phone: (605) 329-2277
Saint Paul's Lutheran Church
407 2nd St, Frederick, SD 57441-2032
Phone: (605) 329-2055
Prince of Peace Lutheran Church
601 Pine St., Hecla, SD 57446-7714
Phone: (605) 994-2251
Saint Anthony's Catholic Church
Hecla, SD 57446-2107
Phone: (605) 994-2232
Saint John's Lutheran Church
511 E. Main St., Hecla, SD 57446-7714
Phone: (605) 994-2355
United Methodist Church
4th and Main St., Hecla, SD 57446-7714
Phone: (605) 994-2335
Houghton Alliance Church
316 Pine St., Houghton, SD 57449-2108
Phone: (605) 885-6379
Trinity Lutheran Church
203 Pine St., Houghton, SD 57449-2107
Phone: (605) 885-6368
Methodist Church of Oneota
Oneota, SD
This Methodist Church was organized in 1888, and served the Methodists of the Franklyn-Oneota area for twenty years until disbanded.
Putney Church
Putney, SD
Originally served by a minister from Westport, this rural Methodist church was disbanded in the 1930s, with the church building sold to the Bath Methodists in 1940.
Sacred Heart Church
Westport, SD 57481-5706
Phone: (605) 226-3713
Faith United Methodist Church
Warner Twp., SD
This Warner Twp. Congregation was one of the earliest Methodist Church groups in Brown County. It disbanded in the early 1920s.
Apostolic Church
Aurland Church
Finnish Church
Savo Twp., SD
Peace Church
Saint Marks Church
Scandinavian Lutheran Church
West Hanson Twp.
Trinity Lutheran (German Evangelical) Church
James, Henry Twp., SD
Original church established by German immigrants (mostly from Pomerania and Posen) who settled in the area around Henry Township. No longer in existence. Baptism, Confirmation, Marriage, and Death Records are located at St. John's Lutheran Church in Groton.
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Becoming a professional athlete is becoming more than just a soccer or hockey player for a living, you become an icon and role model, especially for those who are looked at as superstars. For some athletes, taking on this responsibility is second nature and is an element of their everyday life. For Scarborough, Ontario native Dwayne De Rosario, the aspect of channeling his professional success and status in Major League Soccer into a positive for the less fortunate has been a blessing. The New York Red Bulls and Canadian National Team midfielder has accomplished many awards and heroic moments on the pitch, and has many more off.
De Rosario is an ambassador for multiple organizations aimed to benefiting the lives of the less fortunate not only in North America but also around the world. During visits to Mali and West Africa, Dwayne visited villages and clinics delivering life saving bed nets, as well as leading soccer clinics for local children in West Africa. Since then he has multiplied his efforts and has continued to support multiple charities and Malaria prevention causes. A member of the Nothing But Nets campaign and its Canadian counterpart Spread the Net, De Rosario is dedicated to help provide bed nets to African children in efforts to prevent Malaria; which is the single biggest killer of African children under the age of five and accounts for one fifth of all African children's deaths.
Dwayne is also involved in MLS W.O.R.K.S; a Major League Soccer initiative dedicated to helping youth by addressing important social issues affecting young people. Through the numerous caps in a Canada jersey and his numerous accomplishments in MLS, De Rosario has not forgotten where he came from. The De Ro Futbol Clinic is based in his hometown of Scarborough, Ontario and it teaches kids the fundamentals to not only become a good soccer player, but a good human being as well. The program created by De Rosario provides children with certain skills needed to be a sufficient player on the pitch and the day-to-day qualities needed in everyday life including fitness, health and money management.
An ambassador to the United Nations, Dwayne is also a part of Right to Play; a charity dedicated to helping children in some of the most disadvantaged areas in the world through the power of sport, love and peace. Other athletes involved with Right to Play include Jose Calderon of the NBA's Toronto Raptors and Alexander Ovechkin of the NHL's Washington Capitals.
Dwayne De Rosario has been the male Canadian Player of the Year four times in the last five years, has received the Goal of the Year Award twice, was the 2008 MLS Cup MVP and has scored close to 100 goals in Domestic League play. He is a member of countless charities and has donated a lot of his time and money to support and benefit the less fortunate and is a superstar that is willing to shine his light in some of the darkest areas in our world.
To learn more about Spread the Net, visit http://www.spreadthenet.org/
To learn more about Nothing But Nets, visit http://www.nothingbutnets.net/
To learn more about Right to Play, visit http://www.righttoplay.com/International/Pages/Home.aspx
To learn more about the De Ro Futbol Clinic, visit http://www.derofutbol.com/default.aspx
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My son is brilliant, OK? We homeschooled him through middle school, and this is his first year in public school (in the fine arts magnet program majoring in theatre). Last month, he wrote his first actual essay, and I have to say, I was completely blown away. I actually cried, in fact. Let me know what you think. By the way, the last line (don't look now) was given to him as the "prompt" for this essay, i.e., it had to be included. What would you have come up with?
People Used to Stand for Something
By Jordan Allen
Two men sat across from each other at a table. One of the men was dressed in all white, and appeared as an elderly figure. They had no surroundings, there was nothing around them except for white. They sat a while, and eventually, one of them spoke.
"I never thought about the possibility I might actually talk to you. I always thought that I might make it here, but the idea didn't occur to me that we would actually exchange words."
The other figure didn't speak, or respond, he only nodded in response.
"I've seen so much in my life, sometimes I feel it was too much, at least since the war started. I used to be an innocent child. I never knew much about — anything, really. As much as I hate the people who started the war, and the fact that it ever happened, I will admit that I learned so much, and it's sort of comforting to know I got something out of all this, even though I lost so much."
"I feel like — this war started off with a purpose. The men who originally started the rebellion had some sort of purpose, some sort of cause. I think that somewhere down the chain of command, something got messed up, and someone broke the chain. Somewhere along the lines, I believe somebody overcame their own thoughts of morality, and gave into a driving force so much more able to drive someone's will — power."
"People used to stand for something. People used to be about something that was right, at least in their own minds, but these days, I guess it's not about following your dream, but just doing whatever gives you the most money and power. I don't think anyone should have to lose their family, or live on the run for years with no one else. All in solitude, going village to village, knowing that at that village people might try to kill you, because for all they know, you could be a soldier. And all at the age of 15."
The elderly figure dress in white who had been sitting silently across from the Sierra Leonean started to frown, feeling empathetic for the man. The man's eyes became glossy, and reflective. "Please continue," he said to the man, who seemed relatively calm in telling his story.
"The war started in 1991, so many people died." The two men sat, looking at each other, both of them almost completely dead faced. "We didn't think it was that serious. People never assume that something so terrible can happen to them until it does. They came to my village in 1992. Some people had already left, they had no idea where they would go, they only knew it would be better than here. I heard loud explosions and gunfire when I was awoken in the middle of the night, I ran outside with my family into chaos, houses were on fire, people were running and screaming in every direction. We just started running, we didn't know where we were going, but neither did anyone else who was running."
"My family — they were killed in the attack. I felt like I could not go on. To lose everyone you love so closely, in such a quick moment, it's just horrible. When something like that happens, you almost lose the will to live."
The other person sat in silence, just listening, letting the man talk about what he knew he had been wanting to talk about for so long.
The man continued. "I managed to escape, I ran until I couldn't anymore. I was so shocked I didn't know what to think about what had just happened until I had been running for hours. When I stopped and looked back at it, I was horrified. I became horrified at the monstrosity that humans, just like me were capable of. I believe it would have been one thing if these men were doing this for something they truly believed in, some sort of cause, whether it had been bad or not. But these men fought for something so much more simple, something so much more trivial, something that has driven humanity to do the most despicable things since the beginning of time — money. These men were not part of a rebellion, they were part of something that just wanted power. They didn't care about taking down the government, and fixing the corruption they had. They were no better. They were only scum, no better than the government they intended to overthrow."
"I spent months in the jungle, I learned to sit and be okay with being uncomfortable. I became used to dealing with the uncomfortable heat, and humidity. I learned how to sit with an itch, or in an uncomfortable position when a snake is staring at you. I learned to sit, and enjoy the weird noises of the jungle at night. It's underrated, you know? Being able to sit, and just be. Not worrying about entertainment, or even worrying about your problems, to just sit and be is the most soothing feeling in the world. I eventually found my way out of the jungle, but, I feel like I secretly didn't want to leave. I felt like it was the safest place I could be for the time being."
"I got out of the jungle, and on my path to escape, I came across many villages. Some had already been attacked, some were alive and well, and completely unaware of what would come to them if they would not leave.
You know — I forgive, all of the people who fought in this war. The soldiers, they never knew what they were doing. The commanders brainwashed them, and I believe it is sick that the only people you can trust to protect you, to feed you, to give you shelter, are the same people that would kill you if they sensed that you would betray them."
The other man nodded in concurrence. "Forgiveness and release is the first step in inner peace."
The two men smiled at each other, and then the man continued. "At the end of my journey, I arrived in Freetown. The year was 1998. I had been running for 6 years from the rebels. The relief, knowing that I was sort of finally — free, was the second greatest feeling I had ever felt. I knew that here, I could perhaps get a job, and maybe pay for escape from here, but the knowledge that my family was dead was very heavy on my heart, and it was still so hard to continue."
"I walked around Freetown, searching for a generous soul, who would let me stay in their home until I could get on my feet. Eventually, I found someone who was kind enough to let a complete stranger stay in their home, I will never forget them, and I do truly appreciate them for providing me with that. It was another refugee from the war, she had two sons who were 8, and 12. She lost her husband in the journey."
"The very first night I slept in Freetown, the rebels attacked. I was asleep when they lit the house on fire. I awoke in the night and tried to escape, but the smoke was too thick, and fell unconscious. Even in unconsciousness, I was still aware of what was happening around me, I could feel the heat, I could smell the smoke, and the burning flesh, I could hear the gunfire, and the cries of innocent people in the streets, but I didn't feel the pain, in fact — I felt nothing, the only thing I could think, or feel was — It was a pleasure to burn."
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AutoNation ($53.65, up 8% YTD): The stock set an all-time intraday high at $54.49 on Sept. 20, then declined to its 2014 intraday low at $46.38 on Jan. 17 when it was below its 200-day simple moving average at $48.67 for four days. The stock challenged the all-time high on March 7. The weekly chart is positive but overbought with its five-week modified moving average at $51.69 and the 200-week SMA at $37.83. Semiannual and quarterly value levels are $51.18 and $50.16 with semiannual and monthly risky levels at $56.17 and $56.26.
Ford Motor ($15.51, up 0.5% YTD): The stock set a multiyear intraday high at $18.02 on Oct. 24, then traded to a 2014 low at $14.40 on Feb. 3, and has been below its 200-day SMA at $16.34 since Jan. 24. The weekly chart shifts to positive given a close this week above its five-week MMA at $15.52 with its 200-week SMA at $13.31. Weekly and annual value levels are $14.89 and $14.03 with quarterly and semiannual risky levels at $16.68 and $16.73.
General Motors (GM) ($37.09, down 9.2% YTD): The stock set its post-bankruptcy intraday high at $41.85 on Dec. 17 and Dec. 26, then traded down to its 2014 intraday low at $34.36 on Feb. 6. The stock is now just above its 200-day SMA at $36.53. The weekly chart shifts to positive given a close this week above its five-week MMA at $37.20. Semiannual and weekly value levels at $36.09 and $33.71 with monthly and quarterly risky levels at $40.23 and $41.02.


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Welcome to Birches Head Academy. As one of the most improved schools in the City, I am proud of our students and their many achievements.
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Our most recent Ofsted Inspection described us as a 'rapidly improving academy' and this year's results demonstrate that we have built a firm foundation on which to grow. This is a new and exciting chapter in the school's history. Ofsted also recognised our strong pastoral care. This individual level of care is made possible due to small year groups with dedicated Pastoral Leaders. Our academic success is also a result of the values we instil in our students; to develop confidence, resilience, self-respect and a sense of responsibility. We actively encourage our children to celebrate success and foster a sense of pride in themselves and the school. This approach has led to success in many other fields including winning the KMF 'Spirit of the Young Engineer' Award 2016, finishing 4th in the Staffordshire Rugby Festival, designing a WW1 memorial to remember those from Birches Head who lost their lives in WW1, student success in the Duke of Edinburgh awards and dance and drama productions, eg musical 'Grease' 2016.
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These rugged carpeted 8" speaker systems are ideal for DJ and stage situations where durability, high power capacity and solid sound performance are required on a tight budget.
by smellado
on 1/22/2014
Sounds really good. Just don't use a 300watt amp on it and it will last I have two pairs of these. I only use a 200w per channel amp on them and they sound good.
by darinjohns
on 1/17/2014
I ordered two of these to use as garage speakers along with the 18" MCM sub Part #555-10325. My review is a little skewed because when I was breaking in the woofers with a sine wave generator at 25Hz, I got the volume too loud on my Yamaha 500 watt amp and smoke both 8" woofers. I just didn't realize how much power they were taking because the woofers never complained by popping or bottoming out. I ordered replacement 8" woofers from MCM, which I immediately installed and broke in (at a lesser volume - haha). This isn't a high-dollar speaker, and I never expected it to sound like a $1000 dollar set, but it does the job very well. It blends fine with my sub in the garage, and I get plenty of volume from my garage sound system when I'm working in the front yard. I doubt I would do a dance with this system, but maybe...
by acdog1
on 10/23/2013
I bought these for my chili cookoff sound system. I tested them with my home theater amp and they sounded great. For the cookoff my son ran sound directly from my laptop to a 200 watt Carver amp to the sub with outs to the MCM 8" speakers. I brought along my home theater powered sub for bottom since it was outdoors. They ARE only 8" woofers after all. The sound just blew me away. Plenty of volume with no distortion even wide open. Killer price and killer performance. I'll be looking at some travel subs soon to match.
by kencary
on 7/13/2013
I purchased a pair of these for quick set up events or a party in my backyard.
I expected them to be fine for voice or pop music, but I was very surprised to find that they reproduced jazz piano tracks very faithfully. They provide quite clear and natural mid range.
With 8" woofers they are a little light on the low end, but if you bump up the lower band on your EQ you will be quite surprised at how good these sound at mid volume levels.
They are light and compact and at these prices, I think anyone would find them useful even if you own higher end speakers.
by jimdavisproductions
on 7/12/2012
First of all, I got these on sale for less than the MSRP. They normally go for a bit more than what I paid.
For the price I paid, I really can't complain. They are decently built, I don't see them falling apart any time soon. To the untrained eye, they look like professional speakers. The only people who would know they are cheap are other DJ's or sound professionals. They are very light and portable... much easier to transport than my 65lb Yamaha Club 15's. Sadly, I can't say they sound as good, but that should be obvious.
As far as the sound quality ... well, they ARE in the $25-40 price range. They aren't going to sound like JBL's or EV's. The clarity and reproduction is good, but not great. Really though, they don't sound "bad." I should note that I power them using a good amp-- Crown XLS1500 -- so that might help. The high end is a bit harsh, and they have 8" woofers so the low end will need the help of a sub if you plan to play rap/hip-hop or electronic dance music.
They would do the job by themselves for a wedding ceremony with classical or light music where low-end is not critical. That's one thing I use them for; I set these up at the ceremony and have my main gear set up and waiting at the reception location, if they are in two different places. They're also great for house parties where people will be drinking and there is a high likelihood of damage. They also worked great for me at a tailgate a couple weekends ago.
As someone on an earlier review said... you can't BUILD them this cheap. For a backup set as a professional DJ on a budget, or as a decent backyard BBQ/house party set for personal use... go for it!
by jimspeakers
on 6/29/2012
The 8 inch PA speaker cabinet is excellent. I use a 60 watt PA amplifier, with speakers on tripods, to play keyboard for parties and shows. For very small events, I wanted a compact, easy to carry, 8 inch PA speaker that could be mounted on a tripod. This MCM Custom Sound cabinet is perfect for my uses. It has all the hardware that I need, is well made, and looks good. I question the 300 watt peak specification because I found it easy to overload the woofer. I swapped out the woofer with an MCM #55-2960 8" woofer. It was easy to remove the grill cover and make this change. The sound performance is now what I was looking for. I recommend this product.
by Davisound
on 10/9/2011
Suprisingly good sound for a small cabinet! Bought these for background music in our shop, but after hearing them, added them to our rental fleet. Received great reviews from our customers. (ordered another pair for the shop!)
by dwayne.newton1
on 9/21/2011
Add something like the Driverack from DBX and a couple of subs and they actually sound pretty darned good. You can't make it yourself for this price. I've pushed 'em hard and they keep coming back for more.
Great job, product arrived on time, communication was excellent, price was good. Overall very satisfied.


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Extremeflight 91" Yak 54 EXP Build Thread
This is by far the largest model I will have built, and I just made all of the orders in the last two days, so they should begin coming in. When all is here, (or when I freak out from waiting) I will drive to Extremeflight in Cumming GA and pick up my airframe.
Here are my choices for this build.
1. Airframe (Obviously) Extremeflight. I love EF and they're local. The carbon fiber in the structure makes a difference to me. Worth the minimal difference in price.
- Others I compared - 3DHS (No Yak 54, Not Local.) Goldwing etc. (Generalhobby.com) Cost the same or more than EF with shipping. No CF. Pilot RC (From Chief) - Overpriced in my opinion, apart from warranty, no clue why so expensive. Krill (I'd want an oversprayer scheme, but that's crazy kind of money for an airframe.)
2. Motor choice ended up being Turnigy Rotomax 50cc. - It was very very close to being a Hacker Q80-8M and will be so if I have motor issues.
3. ESC Turnigy DLUX 160HV - Gonna try Turnigy for ESC. Have not gotten a bad one yet.
4. Receiver - OrangeRX 8 ch DSMX + 2 DSMX Satellites.
5. AUX Power - Turnigy voltage regulator, 10 amp, + two x 2 cell batteries.
6. Servos - Rudder servo will be a Turnigy 40KG digital titanium gear servo. It's big at 175 grams, but only going this route on the rudder. 4 x Turnigy Digital 55 gram servos on the rest with 25KG of torque.
7. Batteries - 6S 20C 5000 packs. (I got 4.) I think 20C will be ok in 12 cell setup, so no need for crazy expensive mad C rating.
Additional Items. (Options and not sure how I will use em yet.)
*** GYRO / Autopilot - Got two. One Copilot II, and one Accelerometer based Arkbird setup.
* Ideally I am looking for workable and easy auto-level, 3D assisting option, as well as a return to home capability.
* Features I can't wait to try out:
- Copilot II - Hard Deck Module... (Fake impossible to cross floor of 50 feet up.) Bail out. (Instant restablize to level flight.) Want to see how to make GPS work for RTH on Copilot. (Think this is currently impossible.)
- Arkbird - 3D Hover Assist. (Spank out some GOD MODE 3D with a plane big as my car.... LOL Want to see how and what this does for it.) Try to use bailout in a high speed blender... Buzzzzzzzzz....... Flick. LMAO!!!
*** Wireless Buddy Box. - Allows hook up of two radios. I plan one one x DSMX and one FlySky and comparing range. I like the idea of being able to teach folks with this plane, so depending on how well it all works out with autolevel, GPS RTH, and Altitude hold / Hard deck, I think I can make that happen.
*** Test Platforms and goodies. - I plan on using a couple of other models as test platforms prior to adding the complex stuff to the Big yak.
Nothing is really here yet, but will post more when the goodies get here.
Wish me luck!!!
That Sounds like a Nice Plane :ws: Gee, I thought my 80" W/S Bi Plane Was Big :D
Very very nice!
What amps are you anticipating? The 20c batteries are only rated for 100A (even if they are honestly rated), which seems a bit short compared to your other hardware.
Expecting about 90 to 100 amps.
If more, I plan to set my throttle limit to keep it reasonable and get some 25c batteries. (So WOT will be like 80% Throttle... Still plenty)
I just learned the math, and if my math is right, about 5000 watts, 100 amps and (LOL....) a whopping 3 min of flight time with 5000 mah.
That's at WOT though. I am usually lighter on the throttle, and tend to shoot for that 2:1 thrust to weight too.
That's just sick. Fly one floaty plane with 2 to 1 and you will be hopelessly hooked.
All parts are now on US soil. (Wooooot!)
Unusually fast for Hobbyking, actually scary fast. (about 4 days from checkout to on US soil. DEFINATELY not normal, but I'll take it :-) )
Making arrangements to pick up the airframe next week.
OMG! Many surprises!!!
1. The motor arrived. It's much smaller than I had expected, but still comes in something like a shoebox.
2. The Batteries are HUGE! I had no idea to expect them to be that large, but they are here.
3. The Rudder servo I got is also huge!
Looks like some of the packages will be another few days out though.
So far the Batteries, Motor, All Servos, Servo Extensions, Satellite extensions, and Receiver Batteries came in as well as my wattmeter.
Props, Receivers, Voltage Regulator and autopilot not yet here.
I think I will be pretty well set up soon to start on it.
Charged all four of the batteries last night and today.
They took just over 2 hours each to charge on a Thunder AC 6.
Any advice on a good wall plug charger (up to 6 cell) that won't break the bank?
Serious batteries need a serious charger. My icharger 4010 duo will charge eight 6s 5000mAh in about 20 minutes. But the icharger isnt cheap!..
In terms of watts of charging power for $ spent I've not seen anything better than this one: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...e_Charger.html
On that charger you are getting 9 watts of charge power for every 1$ you spend. For comparison, on the Accucel 6 that some claim to be best bang for buck you get 2 watts per $.
Hook it up to a parallel board and suitable PSU and you have some serious charging capability.
Still, that should be more than enough power.
I'm wondering why you went for such a vast servo on the rudder? It's far larger than Extreme flight recommend.
Just went for it. It was cheap, and seemed more than adequate. Figured I would be better off that way.
I know I have room for it, and I can go that route but yes! That thing is massive!
Hmmm, you will probably have to do a bit of wood chopping and beefing up to fit such a huge servo in, and 100g is a fair bit of extra weight to lug around for no benefit. I'm sure it can be made to work but personally I'd get a servo that was the recommended size.
I have a spare that is the recommended size also.
Just remember seeing larger planes right at that 100 inch span mark that take multiple servos for rudder and some funky setups.
I'm going to be 9 inches away from that mark, and it's a big wooden flat spot the servo goes into.
A few more parts arrived today.
The Props 26x12 and one so far came actually fully balanced. (I got three and I don't expect the other two to be so lucky, but the first one is with no changes.)
The Turnigy props are very well finished.
Another Boo Boo is that I didn't get a drilling jig. I will probably make one, or at least mark them and use one of my relative's drill press.
My wireless buddy box arrived too.
I can't wait for more to get here.
Still waiting on the Receivers and autopilot.
Got the airframe today! Got off early and raced up there before 2:00 pm to get it.
It is huge. The packing was better than anything I have seen before. 1/4 inch thick cardboard inside of a normal cardboard box.
The wings, stabs and canopy had Mylar bags and covers.
The wheels were smaller than I expected, but it was the most beautiful covering and design I have seen.
The carbon fiber spars in this one are over 1/8 inch thick too.
Eyeballing the rudder servo area, my big honkin' Turnigy just might fit with a file here and there.
I hope I can do this kit justice.
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Got to test fit the parts and see the size today.
Me and son holding it up.
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Daughter with it outside.
The cowl fits so perfectly and the quality is just shocking on this thing.
Looking good man! :)
Thanks! Also one more update.... The massive servo FITS WITHOUT MODIFICATION!!!
Actually like a glove. Drops right in. To use the recommended servo, you glue in a reinforcement servo holder.
I'm taking that and gluing it in anyway as extra reinforcement, but the servo actually fits like it was meant to be there.
That's an impressive looking model for sure! Good that the servo fits.
My two Hacker A60 motors are only about 2 1/3 inches in diameter, but they spin a 19X12 prop at near 7000 RPM. And only get slightly warm in doing so. It does look strange to see a 19 inch prop on a motor that is only 2 1/3 inches in diameter.
After running your motor with the prop, you'll also quickly learn that it is wise to do set up and testing of your model WITH THE PROP OFF! :D :D :censor: (If you try running that thing in your room with the pictures on the wall, you might find them all laying on the floor :D :D) Also, keep a close eye on how hot your motor is running. www.motocalc.com suggests that running this motor with a 26 inch prop and a 12S LiPo battery will result in a very hot running motor.
Compared to a gasoline engine, these multi-kilowatt motors are rather small in size, but, you'll discover it is not a good idea to get anywhere near that prop when the motor is powered up!
Yep. I will have to get a photo of the prop on the motor. (Gotta drill out the prop first)
Just doing the prelim work. (Hinges, horns, and landing gear.)
I might be hopelessly hooked on this size if it works out well.
Good news is that I don't even remotely want a bigger one. ;-)
Many e-pilots have learned that lesson the hard way - especially when using equipment that has a reputation for over estimating how many amps their gear can honestly handle.
I would highly recommend you prop so that everything - esc, battery and motor - is safely within limits at full throttle. if not you risk the entire model.
Good luck!
I had asked the folks at HK about the prop with a 12 cell and they say its fine.
Not saying I take that as 100% truth, but I'm ok with trying the 26x12.
I can shift batteries, props, etc even motor really. I opted out of the Hacker Q80-8m, so if anything happens with the Turnigy, I'm headed that way.
I got a wattmeter to try out on this one, so I will know before I fly.
As for that wattmeter, when you get to these size electric power systems, an alternate to those wattmeters is an AC AND DC clamp on ammeter. Note that most clamp on ammeters are AC only, not useful for our stuff.
If your in the USA, Sears has a Craftsman #82369 AC/DC clamp on ammeter that works very well. I keep mine in my flight box, so if anyone at the field has a question on how much current their power system is pulling, a quick test with this unit gives an immediate answer. No adapter cables required, just clamp the meter around ONE of the battery leads. Its DC current ranges are 0-40 and 0-400 Amps, that will cover any electric motor that we use in our electric airplanes.
(It also works to measure your auto's alternator output, how much current your starter pulls, even if any electronic stuff is still on in your car with the ignition turned off.)
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My point was that IF you have too much amp draw - you cannot compensate for it by lowering the throttle end points on your tx.
It just doesnt work the way most people think it does.
Your esc will over heat MORE at part throttle than it does at full throttle. In some cases a LOT more.
If your power system is pulling too many amps, you will only make things worse - and more likely to fail - by backing off on the throttle.
I know thats counter intuitive, but thats how things work with our brushless toys :)
Someone just recently reported loosing an expensive EDF by doing just that. The esc fried and the entire model was lost on the maiden flight.
Check the amp draw on the bench at full throttle. IF its too hi, then either prop down or get a larger esc/motor/battery pack.
With Turnegy stuff I would suggest never going more than about 75% of the advertised specs - at the very most.
But thats just me :)
Another thing to keep in mind is that you're playing at a much higher scale than with the small stuff.
If you're over spec by 5% on a 200 watt setup thats only about 10 watts to worry about. Maybe your esc/battery/motor can handle an extra 10 watts of heating for several seconds in a 3D maneuver. By the time you land everything has cooled down and you think your fine.
On a 7000 watt setup, that same 5% over spec is now 350 watts of extra heating for the equipment to worry about. Thats not so easily handled.
Things tend to blow up a lot faster when playing with giant scale electrical systems if you're not very very careful.
I know it wont be a big loss if your Turnegy stuff blows up, but if they take the airframe with them, you will not be a happy camper.
When a hi powered esc goes up there are major flames.
Most people worry about batteries flaming up, but esc's can set fire to a model just as easily when your pushing huge watts.
I am speaking from experience with hi power setups and giant scale electrics. They are not nearly as forgiving as the small stuff.
Good luck!
Hi :ws: You might want to use a Anti Spark Resistor with 12 cells 44.4 volts, it will sound like a shotgun going off when you hook up the lipos to the esc, a 1 to 2 Ohm, 1/2 to 1 Watt Resistor Circuit hook up before the lipo to esc will allow the caps to charge up in the esc, preventing the huge electrical ark and loud noise :eek: :D, Just my 2 cents worth.
I just read the Turnigy Dlux 160A ESC specs, it comes with a Anti spark lead, How about that :D Thats a First :) anyway, the Info Here shows how it needs to be wired up.
Max Cont Current: 160A
Max Burst Current: 180A
LiPo: 6~12S
NiMH: 16~36cells
Weight: 157grams
Max RPM (2-pole): 200,000rpm
Size: 83 x 33 x 23mm
Motor Plug: Female 4mm bullet Connector
Battery Plug: Nil
Features: Spark Eliminator Lead with 2mm Plug
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Last weekend, I took a class.
There was something I needed to learn how to do. And I woke up early on Sunday morning to learn it.
You'll probably think what I'm learning is sort of strange. Because in many ways it is.
What I'm learning how to do.... is to run.
Now, I've run many miles in my life. I was a college wrestler and part of staying in shape during and off-season was running.
But, after years and years of running, it has taken a toll on my feet, my knees and my back.
And a couple months ago, when I was vacationing in Florida, I met an interesting guy who told me about a new type of running called The Pose Method.
Now, I'm not going to get into what The POSE Method is (for those of you who are interested, go to http://www.posetech.com), but there are some things I'd like to share with you.
To begin, the gentleman who convinced me to take his POSE course did so by doing two things. First, he told me about the 200 mile race he ran. 200 miles - wow! that's really impressive. So, that gave me proof that the method works. Second, and more importantly to me, was that he spoke about The POSE Method with such amazing enthusiasm.
You just can't fake that kind of enthusiasm. He was such a believer and his beliefs were contagious.
So those are the two marketing lessons -- offer proof and sell with enthusiasm. At least if you want to sell me something.
The other key lesson in this story is that learning The POSE Method is HARD.
It's probably going to take me 7 to 10 months to learn it correctly. You see, I have to unlearn the way I've run for the past 30 years, and learn a very different way.
And, to tell you the truth, I'm not really enjoying it. When I run, I usually listen to my iPod and don't think at all about my technique.
Now, I'm 100% focused on technique and it's a bit frustrating as it's hard and I am constantly making mistakes.
But, and here's the key -- after I invest 7 or so months learning the new method, I'm going to reap the benefits for the rest of my life.
You see, there are 60 and 70 year olds running marathons and ultra-marathons (typically 100+ mile races) using The Pose Method.
And it should eliminate my foot, knee and lower back problems.
So, take a look at where you want to be in 1 year, 5 years, 10 years and beyond. And think about what skills you need to get there.
Attaining these skills is often hard work, and not always so fun, but they're critical to your long-term success and happiness.
(Below are some images of me running before and after I learned The Pose Method:)
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