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|January 31, 2011, 08:03 PM
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Conflicting load data for W231 and .45ACP
I've been reloading 9mm for a while now, and I want to start reloading 45ACP as well. I have Winchester 231 powder, Winchester FMJ 230gr RN bullets, and CCI large pistol primers.
My Lee reloading manual 2nd Ed. lists a min/max of 4.8 and 5.1 for W231 with this bullet. For Hodgdon 38 (which I understood to be the same powder) they list min/max of 4.2 and 5.3. Quite a difference! My 2002 Winchester load data manual from 2002 lists 4.9 and 5.7.
The Hodgdon website lists the following charges for a Hornady FMJ FP, 4.2 and 5.3 for both W231 and HP-38.
It seems like I'd be safe starting at 4.8 and not going higher than 5.1. But with the differences in load data, I was wondering if anyone had some other thoughts or other load data.
|January 31, 2011, 08:06 PM
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Follow the most current data (which is from Hodgdon's website). Start at 4.2 and work your way up.
|January 31, 2011, 08:29 PM
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The Lee data is a compilation of many reloading sources. If you look, you will find many loads that show the start as the same as the max.
You should look any load up in at least two manuals and start at the lowest starting load. You do not have the same barrel they used, so your pressures may be higher or lower. However, the starting load is designed to be safe in all guns in serviceable condition.
Here is a compilation from MANY loading manuals. I always start with the lowest starting load. Why should I take a chance that my gun may not be happy with a hotter starting load. Remember, the reloading manuals do not guarantee that your gun will perform the same, just that the loads shown were safe in their test equipment.
I start off at 4.2gn and work up. Notice that after a max load, it is very common to find another manuals start load. I don't take any more chances than I can help.
Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Start/Max Power Factor COL
FMJ 230 231/HP38 4.2 751 Start 173 1.200
FMJ 230 231/HP38 4.6 600 Start 138
JHP 230 231/HP38 4.8 740 Start 170
FMJ 230 231/HP38 4.9 695 Start 160
FMJ 230 231/HP38 4.9 750 Start 173
FMJ 230 231/HP38 5.0 Mil. Ball Ammo 0
HP-XTP, FMJ-RN, HAP, FMJ-FP 230 231/HP38 5.0 700 Start 161
JHP 230 231/HP38 5.1 785 Max 181
FMJ 230 231/HP38 5.3 832 Max 191 1.200
FMJ/TM 230 231/HP38 5.5 788 Start 181
TMJ 230 231/HP38 5.6 789 Start 181 1.260
FMJ/TM 230 231/HP38 5.6 792 Start 182
HP-XTP, FMJ-RN, HAP, FMJ-FP 230 231/HP38 5.7 800 Max 184
FMJ 230 231/HP38 5.7 830 Max 191
FMJ 230 231/HP38 5.7 850 Max 196
FMJ 230 231/HP38 6.0 800 Max 184
FMJ/TM 230 231/HP38 6.1 866 Max 199
TMJ 230 231/HP38 6.2 858 Max 197 1.260
FMJ/TM 230 231/HP38 6.2 865 Max 199
|January 31, 2011, 08:45 PM
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5.0 to 5.5 Grs of W-231 and a 230 Gr lead, plated, or jacketed bullet is classic. Pick the power level you want. Above 5.5 Grs with jacketed it starts to get snappy, especially if you go over 5.9.
|January 31, 2011, 08:53 PM
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5.0 gr of W231/HP38 hits the sweet accurate spot for me with 230/200 gr 45ACP bullet.
|January 31, 2011, 09:25 PM
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I know you didn't ask for what our pet loads are, but 5.0gr with COAL @ 1.230" has been great for FMJ and 4.8gr for lead bullets. This recipe bodes well in the following guns:
Les Baer Monolith Commanche-This is a 1911 in 4 1/4" barrel
Springer Loaded 1911 in 5 in. barrel
Colt New Agent 1911 in 3 in. barrel
XD45ACP in 4 in barrel.
Bottom line is barrel length hasn't really been an issue on velocity, burn characteristics, etc.
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|January 31, 2011, 10:26 PM
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Let's get a couple of things straight.
I have two of their (Lee) books and they are good, but not an authority on powder or bullets. The reason all three have different loads for the 45 Auto (no longer the ACP) is that they each are using different bullets, except Hornady who's bullets you are using.
Second you failed to state what OAL you were using on your load. It makes a difference on the pressure you are putting on your gun.
Third, Win 231 and H38 are the same powder and the listed loads will be the same within 0.0 grains of each other in the same book for the same bullet. Are you mixing apples and oranges?? Win 231 from one book and H-38 from a different one with dillferent bullets and different OAL's.
Forth, one book will use a bench test barrel and another will use an actual gun for testing and get different results. You need to read the pages in the front of the load information to see what they were using.
When in doubt use the bullet mfg's information and load info, if you are using a bullet that does not have load data, then use the powder mfg's load data for the SAME type and WEIGHT of bullet.
That's the short and sweet of it. Buy Hornady's 8th reloading edition, it is worth the money.
And for God's sake do not use 9 year old load data. It was OK for powder made 9 years ago but not for todays.
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|February 1, 2011, 01:43 AM
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Jim are you saying that Bullseye Pistol powder made today is different in power? Or Win 231 ?
If so what do you base that on? Just curious?
I know that today's Loading Manuals are a little more conservative.
|February 1, 2011, 03:04 AM
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Jim, the confusion started because there were different load values for the HP-38 and Win-231 for the same bullet (230gr FMJ) in the same manual (Lee 2nd Ed.), so comparing apples-apples. I'd heard that they were the same powder, so that's what got me confused in the first place, and prompted me to post here.
I was planning on making the COL 1.268, since this is what the factory ammo COL is that I have been running through my gun. It's also slightly less than the official spec of 1.275.
I've looked and looked, but have not seen any RECENT specific load data for Winchester FMJ 230 gr. bullets with W231 powder. Also, Winchester no longer publishes load data for their powders. Hodgden does on their website, but they have data for the Hornady FMJ FN bullet, which is significantly different than the Win FMJ round nose.
It's very frustrating, since I'm not sure what data to go with here. Would I be safe, do you think, starting with 4.2 grains and working up to, say, 4.9 grains, staying well away from the supposed max load of 5.1 grains?
Thanks for your help,
|February 1, 2011, 06:50 AM
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not guessing
You'll be fine.
W231 offers a large window of charge weight for 45 ACP.
And specifically, having loaded vast quantities of Winchester's fine 230g FMJ for a large number of various pistols so chambered, I can advise you that an OAL of 1.257" works, 5.0--5.5g W231 works, and 5.0g offers less felt recoil, and potential for great accuracy.
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|February 1, 2011, 10:01 AM
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From Hodgdon's About Us/Company History page:
(Pistol > 45 ACP > [Winchester] 231 > Get Data)
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|February 1, 2011, 07:41 PM
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Well, I loaded up some test rounds today and I'll go to the range tomorrow at lunch time and see how they shoot in my gun. I have a COL of 1.265, and charges of 4.8, 5.0, 5.2, and 5.4 under Winchester 230 FMJ RN bullets. As soon as the recoil becomes snappy/loud and different from the factory loads, I'll stop, since at this point I'm only trying to duplicate factory. I'll also watch the spent brass.
Thanks, everyone, for the help and information. This forum is a valuable resource, and I hope to contribute to it as I gain experience.
|February 1, 2011, 09:03 PM
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Watching the spent brass while being ejected is a very good indicator on how your gun behaves with the load you have.
Keep us posted...
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|February 1, 2011, 10:05 PM
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I am sure you will be contributing. Using a bullet from a company that does not provide load data for their own bullets is VERY fustrating. 90% of my bullet purchases for bullets are Hornady. And I use their book as my primary reference. However, they (Hornady) do not always provide load data for their bullets using the powder that I have. That leaves me three choices, 1) go out and purchase powder that they have referenced. Or 2) try to peice together my own load with simular "burning rate" powder. Or 3) keep checking all the books till I find a close or exact match.
If you do 2 or 3 you are treading on thin ground but it is done all the time, you just need to start low and work up your load 0.2 or 0.3 grains at a time while checking on over preasure signs when you test your loads out.
The bullets that first come to mind that this is an issue with are Remington's 9mm 124 grain HP that I love to use. I am sure there must be some manual someplace that lists Remington bullets, just don't ever remember seeing one.
Also if you purchase bulk bullets from someone like RMR you will not have any load data for them or even know who's (mfg) bullet you are purchasing.
Best thing you can do then is goto Lyman's 49th Reloading Handbook (pretty generic) and use a load for the same type and weight of bullet.
When I am totaly stressed out as to what to do, I go to Hodgdon's website (yes I have their load book too) and see what the powder mfg says I should do. I use Win 231 99.9 percent of the time so it's always to Hodgdon. I do use other pistol powders but they are for specialty loads like 357 mag (Alliant 2400) or 357 Sig (Alliant Power Pistol) and follow their instructions.
If you take care, you will be safe, go slow and check everything 2 or 3 times.
As I see it a book is cheap and a rifle or pistol is expensive. So If I am using a bullet from Serria or Nosler I will buy their book eventhough I will use it not very often.
Pick a bullet that you like and stick with it, over and over again untill it is no longer made. That way after you finish your testing you will have the "Perfect Load" for that bullet and gun.
Good luck
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|February 2, 2011, 09:42 PM
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Range Report:
I took my test loads, and my Glock 21, to the range today. Since I don't have a chrono, my goal was to watch for signs of overpressure with the increasing loads, and to see if I could subjectively compare the felt recoil to some WWB factory rounds.
The bullets were Winchester FMJ 230gr, CCI primer, and W231 powder, 1.65 COL, in 4.8, 5.0, 5.2, and 5.4 gr loads. The closest felt-recoil to "factory" were the 5.2 grain loads. The 5.0 loads had softer recoil with less apparent muzzle rise, but also seemed to run the gun very well. I liked the way the 5.0's felt and they'd probably work well for target practice and shooting steel. All the loads had good accuracy.
Thanks, everyone, for your input!
|February 2, 2011, 10:43 PM
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I love happy endings.
As to OAL, is 1.65" correct? I typically load 230 gr RN to 1.25" - 1.27".
|February 3, 2011, 01:46 AM
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oops, I meant to say 1.265
|January 5, 2013, 04:07 PM
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Old dynasore IPSC, IDPA, SPEED STEEL Shooter here. Chamber check ur rounds and shorten by .015, check for function feeding with ur mags, and LAST BUY A CHRONOGRAPH!!!
Also pending on ur elevation a load will chrono different from say at SEA LEVEL TO 5K FEET... OR VISEAVERSA. Found out the hard way my load worked at the WESTERN STATES match but not at the GOLDEN GATE CHAMPIONSHIP match.
But that's what I get for riding the IPCS edge. If you Reload get yourself a CHRONOGRAPH!!!
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If you can't seem to find the issue, I would personally throw it away if I cannot repair it myself if I didn't know what I was doing and get any new soldering iron. You dont want a 240V zap or so for no reason.
As for what iron to buy, it depends on what you would use it for and how. I have 5 main soldering irons that I use alternately in jobs:
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Cape Town - The ANC has come out guns blazing in defence of The New Age newspaper, which the DA claims gets 77 percent of its advertising revenue from the government – a total of at least R64 million in two years.
DA leader Helen Zille has also written to President Jacob Zuma asking him to set up a judicial commission of inquiry to investigate government spending on the newspaper.
Zille said The New Age was "almost entirely funded" by ANC governments at national and provincial levels.
This was happening despite the fact the newspaper had no audited circulation figures.
Her party has been piecing together information over the past six months to verify how The New Age was funded, said Zille.
"The picture that emerges is alarming. The New Age has received at least R64.6m from the government in the form of advertising revenue and 'sponsorships' since December 2010 – and these are only those payments we know about."
Zille said the parallels with the apartheid-era "Infogate" scandal were "inescapable".
"The Information scandal, also known as 'Infogate' in the late 1970s, involved the covert channelling of public funds to the Citizen newspaper to subsidise a more government-friendly English-language newspaper."
Zille said offices and institutions of state-owned enterprises served as distribution networks for The New Age "to boost its circulation figures, which the newspaper will not submit for audit".
Unlike other mainstream newspapers, The New Age is not audited by the Audit Bureau of Circulation, which verifies the number of copies a newspaper sells.
"We believe that the information we have collected so far represents more than sufficient evidence to warrant a full judicial commission of inquiry into the government's funding of The New Age," said Zille.
But the ANC hit back, saying the party was encouraged and "fully supports" The New Age and SABC breakfast sessions "in providing an unmediated and uncensored platform for public engagement by government".
ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu said The New Age and SABC initiative has been unfairly and "deliberately distorted to suggest that it was a funding model exclusive to the New Age", saying the government also advertised in other titles.
"It is important to note that organisations like (the) DA have also used the same platform to communicate with the public. This is inherent in any democracy that government at all levels and its entities should use available platforms to account to the public it serves," said Mthembu.
He said the ANC also took exception to the allegation that Zille had been "peddling" that The New Age was a conduit to raise money for the ANC since its owners, the Guptas, were benefactors of the party and President Jacob Zuma.
"If Helen Zille was to be taken serious and honest (sic) she should have called for an investigation of all government expenditure in advertising using all media. There has been no underhand or secret sponsorship for the The New Age/SABC breakfast sessions nor has there been secret ads by government departments on (The New Age)," said Mthembu.
SA National Editors Forum (Sanef) council member Raymond Louw said it was perfectly fine for other media to report on the government spending patterns on The New Age.
"It is worthy for other newspapers to explore. The media has been doing similar kinds of stories of all questionable deals in the past (into the information scandal)."
Louw said it would make more sense for Zille to call on the auditor-general to probe The New Age matter rather than a judicial commission.
The Western Cape ANC, which has also been at war with Zille and labelled her a "hypocrite" for pulling out of this month's New Age business briefing, said her latest move was nothing more than a publicity stunt.
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if you like the Divacup, you might like the Ladycup. I have had mine for 2 cycles so far and I haven't even trimmed the stem yet (although I'm going to, I do like it shorter).
Anyway, it's a smidge shorter than the Diva, but comes in different colors; I got mine in a pretty green.
It's smooth, so it's much much easier to clean. That also makes it a bit slippery but I think all the cups are slippery anyway. LOL.
But like the Diva it holds quite a bit and I find myself not having to empty it as much, even on my heavy days (unlike my Mooncup UK, which is quite shorter) and the seal is great.
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I also found a discount code online when I ordered, so I got 15% off.
Thought I'd throw that alternative out there.
mk12, those are good prices. I know what you mean about bidding on Ebay. I don't even bother bidding until it's the day the auction ends. Enjoy your cup! I'd like to heart what you think of it...
Did you use the Diva before switching to the LadyCup? Was it difficult, when you first started using a cup? Any tips?
Thanks for the advice Loon. I have one more question, if you don't mind. I have read that the little holes in the LadyCup are lower down than other cups, and because of that the volume it holds is less. I also read someone's post that it can fill higher than the holes and doesn't leak because of the way they are angled. I was just wondering if you noticed whether or not it tends to leak if it gets filled above the holes? I'm hoping it doesn't since that would make the volume the small cup holds extremely low.
ETA: Here's a link that has pictures of the different cups. You can see where some of the holes are in the pics. The cups like the Diva, Mooncup, and Keeper have a rim, and usually the holes are under the rim. The smooth cups (the green Ladycup is exactly the one I have) are easier to see the holes. http://menstrualcups.wordpress.com/2...-cup-pictures/
Thanks for the info, and thank you for posting that link with the photos of all the different ladycups. I know it's probably silly, but I was actually a little bummed when I ended up with the green one... but looking at the picture, I think the green ladycup (and its bag) is the prettiest. I know it's just a menstrual cup... but I am glad I'm getting a cute one.
I don't think it's silly to want a certain color, not when they are offered in so many. I think it does help if you think your cup is cute. It makes a monthly thing that more bearable. I don't always love my period...the fatigue, the stains, etc. But the cup really really makes it easier for me.
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COLUMBUS, OHIO – The Pittsburgh Penguins also have another P-word going for them: patience.
Brandon Sutter, Lee Stempniak and Jussi Jokinen scored in a span of 2:13 of the third period to revive the Penguins from yet another two-goal deficit in a 4-3 victory over the Columbus Blue Jackets on Monday night.
Now up 2-1 in the best-of-seven series, the Penguins got off to a horrible start, but took charge in the final two periods.
"It's not ideal, especially when it's 2-1 and you fall behind (by two goals) again," said captain Sidney Crosby. "Typically, it's not the way you win hockey games. But it showed a lot of character and a lot of patience."
A two-goal lead has been poison so far in the series. Columbus also blew a 3-1 lead in Game 1, then the Penguins returned the favor Saturday night. In each case the opponent scored the final three goals, the Blue Jackets taking their first playoff victory in double-overtime just 48 hours earlier in Pittsburgh. All three games have ended 4-3.
"Anytime a team gets a lead they find a way to give it up," Sutter said.
Game 4 is Wednesday night here.
Down 2-0 early and then 3-1 in the third, the veteran Penguins scored on three consecutive shots.
Coach Dan Bylsma called a timeout after goals by Boone Jenner and Jack Johnson staked the Blue Jackets to a 2-0 lead 3:18 in before a raucous, overflow crowd of 19,148. The Penguins collected themselves and then collected another comeback win.
"We needed to reset," Bylsma said.
The surge began with less than 2 seconds left in the second period when Brooks Orpik rifled a hard wrister past Columbus goaltender Sergei Bobrovsky, making it 2-1.
Just over a minute into the third period, the Blue Jackets pushed the lead back to two goals. Brandon Dubinsky, who had two assists, spun and fired a backhander that hit the glove of teammate Cam Atkinson and beat a surprised Marc-Andre Fleury.
Fleury slammed the door after that.
His high-powered offense did the rest. The Penguins found their game, dominating with a 41-20 advantage in shots on goal and controlling the pace.
Wild 1, Avalanche 0 (OT)
In St. Paul, Minnesota, Mikael Granlund's diving goal 5:08 into overtime allowed the Wild to pull within 2-1 in the best-of-seven series.
Semyon Varlamov stopped 45 of 46 shots, a franchise playoff record for shots on goal by Minnesota.
Blackhawks 2, Blues 0
In Chicago, Corey Crawford made 34 saves in his third career postseason shutout, and the Blackhawks got back into their playoff series with St. Louis.
Jonathan Toews scored in the first period and Marcus Kruger added an empty-netter as Chicago bounced back after a pair of overtime losses.
Stars 3, Ducks 0
In Dallas, Kari Lehtonen had 37 saves, with some tremendous stops, for his first career postseason victory, and the Stars won their first home playoff game in six years.
Dallas captain Jamie Benn skated out of the penalty box to score late in the first period, and 19-year-old rookie Valeri Nichushkin added a goal for the Stars in Game 3 of the best-of-seven series.


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Hero Nani, on the occasion of audio launch ceremony of 'Lachindeviki O Lekkundi' movie, has wished the main cast of the movie Naveen Chandra and Lavanya Tripathi to witness huge success. Hero Nani has reminded his association with the director Jagadish Talasila of the movie. Nani has highlighted some of the memorable incidents related with his Eega movie. He has also answered some ticklish questions put forwarded by Geetha Madhuri and Ali.


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By Brooke Cussans, Baby Name Pondering
People often talk about choosing a name with "meaning", and I feel that nature names can have meaning for everyone. They can help to give us a spiritual connection to the world around us, a respect for the power and beauty that surrounds us.
Normally, when we talk of nature names people think of names like River, Willow and Lily – nature words that are also used as names. But nature names can be so much subtler and diverse than that. So instead of breaking them down by the usual categories such as trees, flowers, animals, gemstones etc., I thought I'd look at them in a slightly different way.
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Now it's the boys' turn.
Just starting your name search or stuck in a rut? Not sure where to start, or just need some fresh inspiration? Then how about one for every day of the week! Here are seven names containing the PER sound – one "per" day. You may be surprised just how versatile this syllable is. So versatile that I couldn't put them all in one list – so, as promised on Monday, here come the boys:
By Brooke Cussans at Baby Name Pondering
Just starting your name search or stuck in a rut? Not sure where to start, or just need some fresh inspiration? Then how about one for every day of the week! Here are seven names containing the PER sound – one "per" day of the week. You may be surprised just how versatile this syllable is. So versatile that I couldn't put them all in one list–the boys will be following. Here are the girls.
By Brooke Cussans, at baby name pondering
Tilda and Tilly. Many would see these names and think they are only nicknames for Matilda, but both make for adorable names in their own right. Whether you are debating which nickname to use for your little Matilda, or simply which to give your daughter, it could be helpful to look at them side by side.
Origin, Meaning, Associations & Impressions
These are so intertwined that it's helpful to consider them together. Both Tilda and Tilly are considered to have originated as nicknames for Matilda. Matilda is an Old German name meaning 'mighty in battle', and hence this is also the accepted meaning for both Tilda and Tilly.
By Brooke Cussans, at baby name pondering
With the release of the movie Annabelle'this month, it seemed like a good time to look at the names of some of the spookiest real and fictional dolls. They're a surprising mix of classic names and familiar nicknames, with some very non-scary meanings! So do their spooky namesakes make these names un-usable? You decide.
Think of Annabelle in the same way as Amity – a very pretty, feminine name that just happens to be associated with a scary story made into a horror movie. Annabelle' is based on the true story of a doll possessed by an evil spirit who terrorizes her owners until being locked away by paranormal investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren. In the movie, Annabelle is a menacing looking blonde doll, however the real Annabelle is actually a Raggedy Ann doll. Annabelle is her real name though, likely chosen because of the type of doll she is.
The origin of the name Annabelle is not clear. It's possible she is an elaboration of the French name Amabel, meaning 'lovable'. Or perhaps it is a combination of Anna (meaning 'grace') and Belle (meaning 'beautiful'). Annabelle has been rocketing up the US charts – breaking into the top 1000 in 1995 and reaching #81 in 2013. Let's see if the movie does anything to stall this.


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Fergie laments 'shoddy defending' and Fletcher loss
Sir Alex Ferguson hit out at some 'shoddy defending' and admitted Darren Fletcher's absence was a 'big loss' for Manchester United's defeat by Barcelona.
Fletcher missed the game through suspension after being sent off in the second leg of the semi-final against Arsenal and Ferguson lamented his fellow Scot's absence.
"I thought before the game it may have been a problem," said the United boss. I knew it might count against us because he is a big-game player and he was a big loss for us.
"It's difficult to say how big, and they had players missing too, but it showed itself for us tonight."
Slack defending contributed to the opening goal from Eto'o on 10 minutes and Ferguson conceded his team were unusually sloppy at the back.
He added: "In our best performances this season we have defended very well, but the defending was shoddy.
"The first goal didn't help. It gave them the opportunity to keep possession. We didn't plan to lose a goal early and we didn't deal with it well enough. That was the story. To lose a goal like that was a bad goal. It was a disappointing performance and some individuals will feel it themselves."
Ferguson praised Barcelona's ability on the ball and was disappointed with United's quality of possession.
"The simple reason [we lost] was possession," he continued. "We didn't do anything with it. The disappointment was the use of the ball when we got possession. You have to wait minutes to get it back off them. Could be it was an off night. Could be it was a mountain too big to climb.
"We recognised beforehand that the strength of Barcelona was their three central midfield players and that's why I used Giggs, who could play towards the front, but also drop into midfield, but their possession of the ball hurt us.
"It wasn't really Messi who was the problem. It was Iniesta and Xavi. They can keep the ball all night long.
"You have to give credit to a very good Barcelona team. If they get in front of you they are very difficult to beat.
"They kept possession of the ball and made it very difficult to get back. When we did get possession we didn't do well with it. Credit to them, the better team won."
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Retired Israeli Major General Amos Yadlin said that Israel does more to avoid civilian casualties than the United States has in its military operations.
On Thursday's "Wolf" on CNN, he argued the IDF is "doing more than the Americans have done in Fallujah and more than the Americans have done in Germany in the second World War" to avoid harming innocent civilians. "We are the moralist army in the world … I am really willing to have any kind of debate with American journalists, spokesmen about how Israel is doing it compared to how America [has] done it" he added.
Yadlin also accused Hamas of covering up the number of terrorists killed by the Israelis, stating, "Hamas military terrorists are killed in [the] hundreds, and they are not reporting it. They, of course, are putting all the cameras on the civilians…they will show you only the civilians, and the civilians [are harmed] because of the tactics of the terrorists."
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Two people were killed and two others injured after a man reportedly drove the wrong way on Interstate 24 in Manchester, Tennessee.
The crash happened Saturday evening when authorities say Patrick Rhodes, 35, was driving west in eastbound lanes around 6:15 p.m.
He struck another vehicle head on and was ejected from his Nissan sedan.
Rhodes, of Tullahoma, was pronounced dead on the scene.
A passenger in the second vehicle, identified as 63-year-old Phyllis Golden, was killed upon impact.
The driver, 63-year-old James Golden, and second passenger, 22-year-old Katherine Golden, were both injured. An update on their conditions was not immediately known.
Authorities said a third vehicle clipped one of the cars in the crash and was hit by debris, but the driver was uninjured.
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Results from Friday's Northwest Region Class AA wrestling tournament at Sharon High School. The top three wrestlers in each weight class after Saturday's consolation and championship finals will advance to the PIAA AA tournament, scheduled March 7-9 at the Giant Center in Hershey:
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Wrestling results from Friday's Northwest Region Class AA tournament at Sharon High School. The top three wrestlers in each division will advance to the PIAA AA tournament, scheduled March 7-9 at the Giant Center in Hershey:
Team standings: 1. Reynolds (Rey) 42, 2. Brookville (Bv) 33, 3. Saegertown (Sae) 29, 4. (tie) Fort LeBoeuf (FL) and Redbank Valley (RV) 24, 6. Cochranton (Coc) 23, 7. Port Allegany (PA) 16, 8. (tie) Coudersport (Coud) and Seneca (Sen) 14, 10. Conneaut (Conn) 13, 11. Smethport (Semth) 12½, 12. (tie) Kane (K) and Sharon (Sh) 11½, 14. (tie) Franklin (Fr), Grove City (GC), Slippery Rock (SR) and Union City (UC) 11, 18. (tie) Corry (Cy) and Greenville (Gv) 9.
Other schools: Brockway (Bway), Cameron County (CC), Clarion (Clar), Cranberry (Cran), Curwensville (Cur), Fort LeBoeuf (FL), Franklin (Fr), Hickory (H), Jamestown (J), Johnsonburg (John), Kane (K), Keystone (Key), Lakeview (Lv), Maplewood (Mw), Mercer (M), North East (NE), Northwestern (Nw), Oswayo Valley (OV), Port Allegany (PA), Ridgway (Rid), Sharpsville (Sv), Sheffield (Sheff), West Middlesex (WM), Youngsville (Y).
Championship bracket
First round
106 pounds: Evan Clayton (Lv) d Faris Messai (J) 12-6; Ryan Carlson (Bway) d Jase Paxton (Gv) 5-4.
113: Bingbong Elizon (Sae) md Nate Kline (Coc) 10-2; Logan Gray (NE) md Nick Baghman (Key) 12-1.
120: Dave Huselton (SR) md Ricky Prosen (Sheff) 8-0; Cyle Yaple (Sen) d Daniel Simmerman (Mw) 6-4.
126: Kyle Lukowich (Conn) p Dustin Tomcho (UC) 1:39; Jared Morrison (Coc) d Jack Glasl (Bway) 4-2.
132: Zak Dennis (Mw) p Zach Fitzsimmons (OV) 3:06; Luke Walter (GC) md Mack Heitzenrater (HC) 11-2.
138: Matt Leise (Rey) d Jacob Abrams (Smeth) 5-3; Rodney Brant (M) p Seth Thurber (J) 1:04.
145: Trey Maher (GC) p Trey McKenzie (Cur) 3:20; Taylor Ellis (Conn) d Louie Head (E) 14-11.
152: Jimmy Miller (Bv) d Caleb Peterson (Coc) 7-6; Chet Simoni (GC) d Sebastian Rinehardt (Nw) 4-3.
160: Logan Warnick (PA) p Andrew Boylan (Sae) :53; Mike Millero (Rey) d Gage Gladysz (Gv) 3-1 OT.
170: Zach Miller (Gv) p Taylor Saline (CC) 1:54; Chris Matthews (Fr) p Marquis Spence (Lv) :34.
182: Joe Hines (H) p Stone Sivak (Y) 3:45; Forest Tuttle (Coud) md Isaiah Stearns (Mw) 12-0.
195: Dan Geer (Fr) d Jason Shappee (J) 8-2; Cody Hughes (Sv) d Zach Sintobin (Clar) 9-6.
220: Jaykup Durlin (Y) p Ryan Cardman (Fv) 2:45; Tim Suydan (Cy) d Nate Rodgers (OV) 5-4.
285: Gene Ringer (Rey) d Kaleb Robertson (Sv) 2-1; Ben Carillo (RV) d Braden Gladysz (Gv) 3-2.
106 pounds: Taylor Ortz (Bv) p Clayton 1:31; Seth Hogue (Rey) p Sam Bressler (Cur) 3:47; Isaac Bengel (FL) d Casey Vollmer (PA) 6-2; Devin Brown (Sae) md Carlson 10-2.
113: Cody Blankenship (K) p Elizon 2:49; Cole Aaron (Bv) d Cody Buchanan (Sh) 9-3; Willis Gruver (RV) md Jarrett Carter (FL) 9-0; Mike Bartolo (Rey) d Gray 5-3.
120: Tyler Vath (Sae) p Huselton 1:35; Tyler Kuzma (FL) by default; Matt Wheeler (Nw) d Brandon Saline (CC) 4-0; Trent Neely (Smeth) p Yaple 4:13.
126: Lukowich p Jake Lancaster (Cur) 1:57; Brett Himes (Rid) d Mason McCollum (Rey) 3-1; Nick Monico (Sae) d Mitch Blose (RV) 5-2; Jarray Norris (Sh) p Morrison 1:32.
132: Adam Fish (Sen) md Dennis 9-0; Cam Cianci (Rey) d Alex Zimmerman (John) 15-11; Dalton Zimmerman (Bv) p Gavin Kroesen (WM) 3:33; Karl Lightner (Smeth) d Walter 7-2.
138: Michael Bonner (Sh) tf Leise 21-6 4:58; Cody Bova (Coud) d Chris Hibbler (Sen) 7-5; Matt Humes (Sae) d Darren Brown (K) 7-3; Brock Zacherl (Bv) p Brant 1:48.
145: Levi Stoyer (Rey) md Maher 12-0; Ty Haines (RV) d Brad Malinowski (FL) 3-0; Robert Boozer (Coc) p Zac McKnight (Rid) 3:49; Zach Vroman (Bv) d Ellis 7-1.
152: Austin Matthews (Rey) md Miller 12-0; Taylor Harrington (FL) d Samuel Colebert (OV) 6-5; Sam Kysor (PA) d Blake Horne (Gv) 5-3; Kyle Bova (Coud) md Simoni 20-9.
160: Taylor Fox (FL) d Warnick 5-0; Cole Shirey (FL) md Ben BuCher (Sv) 14-4; Brodie Zacherl (Bv) d Ryan Northcott (Coc) 2-0; Evan Delong (K) tf Millero 19-4 4:30.
170: Tim Vargo (UC) md Miller 17-6; Alexander Gular (PA) d Shane Taubert (Cy) 5-2; Austin Andrews (Coc) md Brandon Bailey (RV) 14-2; Matthews d Anthony Benson (Bway) 2-1.
182: Aaron Hook (RV) d Hines 7-3; Jamar Henry (Rey) by default; Zachary Bruce (Cran) d Justin Reynolds (Gv) 6-4; Dylan Reynolds (Sae) md Tuttle 11-3.
195: Jake Wichert (OV) p Geer 1:28; Ryan Morris (Cy) p Nate Moore (K) 2:27; Jake Johnson (E) d Taylor Cudworth (Bv) 9-2; Trevor Beiter (Sen) d Hughes 5-1.
220: Durlin p Cal Haines (RV) 1:46; Cam Cyphert (Coc) p Trent Neal (PA) 1:20; Logan Rickert (Rey) md Matthew Baugher (Cran) 11-0; Evan Daley (FL) p Suydan 1:59.
285: Nicholas Budd (PA) d Ringer 2-1; Jeff Burger (UC) p Jack Karsten (CC) 4:52; Sam Breese (Lv) p Dylan Dinch (Smeth) 1:03; Forrest Christmann (SR) p Carillo 1:22.
Consolation bracket
First round
106 pounds: Messai d Carlson 7-6; Vollmer bye; Bressler bye; Paxton d Clayton 8-5.
113: Gray p Kline 2:50; Carter bye; Buchanan bye; Elizon d Baughman 6-3.
120: Yaple p Prosen 3:50; Saline bye; Huselton md Simmerman 8-0.
126: Morrison d Tomcho 7-0; Blose bye; McCollum bye; Glasl p Lancaster 2:14.
132: Walter d Fitzsimmons 6-1; Kroesen bye; Zimmerman bye; Dennis p Heitzenrater 1:11.
138: Abrams p Brant 2:58; Brown bye; Hibbler bye; Thurber p Leise 3:50.
145: Ellis p McKenzie 4:08; McKnight bye; Malinowski bye; Maher d Head 8-5.
152: Peterson p Simoni 4:43; Horne bye; Colebert bye; Miller d Rinehardt 5-1.
160: Millero d Boylan 5-3; Northcott bye; BuCher bye; Gladysz p Warnick 3:20.
170: Benson tf Saline 18-2 4:06; Bailey bye; Taubert bye; Miller d Spence 10-5.
182: Tuttle md Sivak 14-0; J.Reynolds bye; Hines md Stearns 14-2.
195: Hughes d Shappee 11-6; Cudworth bye; Moore bye; Geer p Sintobin 4:29.
220: Suydan d Cardman 4-2; Baugher bye; Neal bye; Haines p Rodgers 4:43.
285: Carillo d Robertson 5-2; Dinch bye; Karsten bye; Ringer d Gladysz 3-2 UTB.
* The Northwest Region Class AA meet will resume Saturday at 9 a.m.
* Friday's best match was its last one, as Reynolds' Gene Ringer eliminates Greenville rival Braden Gladysz 3-2 in an ultimate tiebreaker.
* Consy winners at 195 pounds are Sharpsville's Cody Hughes and Dan Geer of Franklin.
* Hickory's Joe Hines advances in the 182-pound consy bracket.
* Advancing in the 160 consy bracket are Mike Millero of Reynolds and Gage Gladysz of Greenville.
* Grove City's Trey Maher stayed alive in the 145-pound consy bracket with his 100th career victory, eliminating Eisenhower's Louie Head 8-5.
* Seneca's Cyle Yaple is still alive in the 120-pound consy bracket.
* Still alive in the consolation brackets from Erie County is Logan Gray at 113 pounds.
* Union City's Jeff Burger, who trailed Cameron County's Jack Karsten in the third period of their heavyweight quarterfinal, ended up pinning the District 9 third seed at 4:52. Saturday's other 285 semifinal will pit Lakeview's Sam Breese against Slippery Rock's Forrest Christmann.
* District 10 sweeps the semifinal berths at 220 pounds. Youngsville's Jaykup Durlin will face Cochranton's Cam Cyphert, while Reynolds' Logan Rickert draws Fort LeBoeuf star Evan Daley.
* District 10 claims three of the four semifinal berths at 195. Corry's Ryan Morris is in the top half, while Eisenhower's Jake Johnson will face Seneca's Trevor Beiter.
* District 10 semifinalists at 182 pounds are Jamar Henry of Reynolds and Dylan Reynolds of Saegertown, who recorded an 11-3 major decision over Coudersport's Forest Tuttle.
* Tim Vargo shows why he's bracketed as the favorite at 170 pounds with a 17-6 major decision over Greenville's Zach Miller. He'll take on Port Allegany's Alexander Gular in Saturday morning's semifinals.
* Taylor Fox of Fort LeBoeuf blanks Port Allegany's Logan Warnick 5-0 in his 160-pound quarterfinal. Fox will meet Redbank Valley's Cole Shirey in Saturday's semifinals.
* Taylor Harrington of Fort LeBoeuf gets by Oswayo Valley's Samuel Colebert 6-5 in the 152-pound quarterfinals. He'll have to get by 2012 PIAA AA finalist Austin Matthews of Reynolds if he wants to wrestle for the title.
* Reynolds' Levi Stoyer, bracketed as the favorite at 145 pounds, needs overtime to advance to the semis with a 4-2 decision over Grove City's Trey Maher. Cochranton's Robert Boozer advances in the bottom half of the bracket.
* After a 15-minute intermission, Sharon's Michael Bonner and Saegertown's Matt Humes advance to the 138-pound semifinals.
* We're in a 15-minute intermission here at Sharon. Matches will resume with the 152-pound quarterfinals.
* Seneca's Adam Fish, bracketed as the favorite at 132 pounds, blanks Maplewood's Zak Dennis 9-0 in his first match, a quaterfinal.
* Advancing to the semis at 120 pounds are Saegertown's Tyler Vath, Tyler Kuzma of Fort LeBoeuf and Northwestern's Matt Wheeler.
* Reynolds' Mike Bartolo is a District 10 semifinalist at 113 pounds.
* Fort LeBoeuf's Isaac Bengel and Saegertown star Devin Brown will meet in one 106-pound championship semifinal thanks to their quarterfinal victories.
* Heavyweight Gene Ringer of Reynolds closes out the District 10 winners in the first round of the championship brackets.
* Winners at 220 pounds are Youngsville's Jaykup Durlin and Corry's Tim Suydan.
* District 10 advances two at 195 pounds in Franklin's Dan Geer and Cody Hughes of Sharpsville.
* Hickory senior Joe Hines pins Youngsville's Stone Sivak at 3:45 of their 182-pound first rounder.
* District 10 winners at 170 pounds are Greenville's Zach Miller and Chris Matthews of Franklin.
* Reynolds' Mike Millero records a takedown in overtime for a 3-1 decision over Greenville rival Gage Gladysz at 160 pounds.
* Grove City's Chet Simoni edges Northwestern's Sebastian Rinehardt 4-3 at 152 pounds. Brookville's Jimmy Miller also wins.
* Conneaut's Taylor Ellis wins a wild 14-11 decision over Eisnehower's Louie Head at 145 pounds.
* Mercer County advances two at 138 pounds in Matt Leise of Reynolds and Rodney Brant of Mercer.
* Winners at 132 pounds are Zak Dennis of Maplewood and Luke Walter of Grove City.
* Incorrect announcement at 126 pounds. Conneaut's Kyle Lukowich, not Union City's Dustin Tomcho, won by fall. Tomcho into the consolation bracket.
* Seneca's Cyle Yaple will face Smethport's Cam Neely in the 120 quarters thanks to his 6-4 decision over Maplewood's Daniel Simmerman.
* Logan Gray, North East's lone representative, dominates Keystone's Nick Baughman 12-1 in a 113-pound first rounder.
* First to advance out of the championship first rounds are Lakeview's Evan Clayton and Ryan Carlson of Brockway at 106 pounds.
* Finally, at 182 pounds, Jamar Henry of Reynolds is already into the championship semifinals with the absence of Keystone's Brandon Chambers.
* At 160 pounds, District 10's fifth seed is now Andrew Boylan of Segertown and Greenville's Gage Gladysz the sixth seed.
* At 152 pounds, Sebastian Rinehardt of Northwestern is now District 10's sixth seed. He replaced Franklin's Dakota Geer.
* At 132 pounds, District 10's seeds are now Seneca's Adam Fish (first), Gavin Kroesen of West Middlesex (second), Cam Cianci of Reynolds (third), Luke Walter of Grove City (fourth), Maplewood's Zak Dennis (fifth) and Mack Heitzenrater of Harbor Creek (sixth).
* At 120 pounds, Fort LeBoeuf's Tyler Kuzma is already assured a championship semifinal berth. He was supposed to face Brockway's Mason Lindenmuth in the quarterfinals.
* There are already massive changes to the brackets because of injuries or wrestlers not making weight.


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Bob Knight on NBA: 'It's as though they've raped college basketball'
Bob Knight had some damning (and controversial) remarks about the relationship between the NBA and college basketball on Tuesday morning.
Appearing on ESPN Radio's "Mike and Mike" show, Knight was asked about "one-and-done" players, those who play their freshman season in the NCAA and then bolt for the NBA. Specifically, Knight was asked how much a poor outing from a prospect in the NCAA Tournament would give him pause in evaluating that player.
He started by answering the question, and then devolved into a terribly offensive analogy:
You know, if I were involved with the NBA, I wouldn't want a 19-year-old or a 20-year-old kid. That's the last thing I would want to bring in to all the travel and all the problems that exist in the NBA. I would want a much more mature kid, I would want a kid that maybe I've been watching on another team and now he's 21, 22 years old instead of 18 or 19. And I might trade for that kid.
But I think, on top of it all, thew NBA does a tremendous, a gigantic disservice to college basketball. It's as though they've raped college basketball, in my opinion.
You can see the segment and hear his full response in the video below:
It's not the first time Knight has gone to that well: in 1988, Knight told NBC's Connie Chung, "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it."


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Friday, June 29, 2012
it's the little things:: lost socks and fizzy root beer
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So cute! Something I learned early on was to put all the teeny tiny socks in a lingerie bag when washing them- no more missing socks! :)ReplyDelete
haha, yes-- I had about twenty people suggest that trick when I posted that photo on Instagram! I snagged one of Chris' laundry bags for the next time. ;)Delete
I love hobby lobby!!! too bad they dont have one here in virginia beachReplyDelete
i had so much to be thankful for this week! it was my birthday this week and felt showered with love...God is so, so good!ReplyDelete
you look cuter and cuter every day....pregnancy definitely suits you!
I love Hobby Lobby! I think that if I could only visit one store ever for the rest of my life it would be Hobby Lobby. Any excuse I can find to go I do. Also, they have a 40% off coupon for any regular priced item that you can pull up on your phone!ReplyDelete
Love Hobby Lobby, so glad you got to experience the fun!ReplyDelete
cute pics! yai for the rescued sock and the 4dlls top! :)ReplyDelete
I've never been to Hobby Lobby; the closest one to us is Orlando {2 hours away}, but I've always wanted to go! Hubby's oldest brother & his family live in Orlando, so maybe next time we visit I'll have to convince Hubs to detour to Hobby Lobby. ;)ReplyDelete
I love root beer! I saw a root beer float popsicle recipe this week that I will definitely be making soon.
Happy Friday, Lindsay!
Your belly button showing through in your tank top made me smile!! So so excited for you.ReplyDelete
aw, this is a fab list, friend! i wish i was among those coffee dates - that needs to happen whenever you make that drive up the east coast. miss you so much!ReplyDelete
Quick correction - we DO have Hobby Lobby in Maryland! There's one in Columbia and one down in Laurel. The one in Columbia is FANTASTIC! I got just about everything for my sister's baby shower there. So yeah, just in case anyone from Maryland is reading! :)ReplyDelete
I love Hobby Lobby!!! When I first moved to Florida and I went in there, it made everything right in the world!! Well....not quite but almost:) And yay for new friends! Its hard being in a new place with no girlfriends, and why is it so hard to make them now that were old?ReplyDelete
Oh my gosh those tiny socks!!! So cute!ReplyDelete
Hobby Lobby is AWESOME isn't it?! We don't have it in SC but we did in Georgia and they are awesome. Totally miss em.ReplyDelete
i love all of those sweet little socks!!!ReplyDelete
You have the cutest pregnant belly! And those socks are killing me!ReplyDelete
Just to let you know there is a Fabulous Hobby Lobby in Maryland - it's in Laurel right off of 295/198 maybe 10 minutes from Ft. Meade. They put it there about 3 or so years ago & I love it! So next time you're in Maryland you can always check that place out!ReplyDelete
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If Facebook 'likes' equalled votes, Visar Arifaj would stand a good chance of being the next mayor of Pristina. Arifaj is the candidate of Partia e Forte - the Strong Party.
The Strong Party is a parody. But if the 32,000 people who have clicked 'like' on their Facebook page voted, the party could have very real power. In 2009, only about 70,000 people voted in Pristina. Isa Mustafa's crushing victory in Kosovo's capital required fewer than 39,000 votes.
The chances of Arifaj actually winning the race, though, seem slim. But what does seem very likely is that the Strong Party will win seats on the municipal assembly. The assembly has 51 seats, making the threshold for winning one quite low. If this does happen, the question is, what will voters be getting?
The Strong Party takes the worst qualities of Kosovo's politicians and satirically celebrates them. Recently, the party made a big show of proposing to construct a mayor's mansion modelled on the White House.
A party member registered a company for the sole purpose of bidding on the tender for it. Given the constant drone about corruption, nepotism and outlandish uses of public money, the Strong Party has brought a refreshingly different approach to engaging the public about very serious problems.
The idea isn't original. In the Icelandic capital, Reykjavik, the mayor and six city council members belong to the satirical Best Party - elected in 2010 in the wake of the country's devastating financial crisis. Its most important promise was to break all its promises.
The Strong Party is trying to walk a fine line, acting silly while still insisting that it can do the business of government - including balancing the budget. The question for the party will be what to do with its power should it win any seats in the election. It won't be an easy one to answer.
Full disclosure: Pristina Insight is designed by Trembelat, a company owned by Strong Party leaders Visar Arifaj and Yll Rugova. Trembelat has suspended working on the newspaper for the duration of the local election campaign as part of an agreement with Pristina Insight.
Nate Tabak is Pristina Insight editor. Pristina Insight is BIRN's bi-weekly newspaper in Kosovo.
Despite reports of a new migration route opening up on the Black Sea, Romanian authorities and international organizations say scare stories have no basis in reality.
Edi Rama has honoured pledges to cut bureaucracy by radically trimming the size of the cabinet – but some fear the new 'super-ministries are taking on more than they can handle.


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The atrocities in Norway last weekend, that left 76 people dead, should be a landmark event that changes the way we approach far right extremist groups and ideologies. To date, the focus by global security services has been almost exclusively on the threat from al-Qaeda -inspired terrorism. Right wing extremism has been dismissed as irrelevant and viewed as a relatively harmless movement.
The tragic incidents in Norway may sadly have been the price to pay for European democracies and global security services to finally asses the threat posed by right wing extremists, a threat that has been ignored for far too long.
It has been revealed that Anders Behring Breivik, the man behind the weekend's massacre, developed far right ideologies at a meeting in London in 2002, according to his online manifesto. Breivik expressed concerns about the effects of immigration, multiculturalism, Islam and the growth of settled Muslim communities. He developed an affiliation with the English Defence League (EDL), who he claims have fundamental differences with the traditional race-based forms of rightwing extremism such as those of the BNP. The EDL reject white supremacist discourse and racism and instead oppose Islam on cultural grounds – the idea of cultural incompatibility being more likely to gain support than an ideology based on an inferior race.
The online manifesto, signed "Andrew Berwick London 2011", contains repeated references to his links with the EDL. On Sunday there were unconfirmed reports from one of the organisation's supporters that the 32-year-old had attended at least one EDL demonstration in the UK in 2010.
So why is it that recent attacks on Muslim communities associated with groups such as the EDL remain relatively under the radar and low on the news agenda?
Last month saw a nationwide wave of hate attacks against Muslim communities. A Sussex mosque received a suspicious package that police treated as racially motivated, and several other Islamic centres were targeted in London, Dorset, Merseyside, Birmingham and Gloucestershire. During the same month Christopher Payne pleaded guilty to helping a group of EDL members put a pig's head sprayed with an anti-Muslim message on a 4ft yellow pole in West Bridgford and three Asian youths were seriously assaulted by racist EDL thugs in Dagenham.
Evidently some of the rhetoric aimed at Muslim communities in the UK has been excessive, aggressive and led to a feeling of fear among a community under attack, physically and metaphorically.
Fair debates about integration, immigration and religious intolerance are often used as a basis to then openly express hostility to all Muslims, their traditions and cultures. The antics of fringe fascist media friendly idiots such as Anjum Choudary are used as a launch pad for demonising all Muslims, often by high profile media commentators and established blogging networks.
Now the likes of influential US far right commentators such as Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are in a muddle because their shameless Muslim-bashing has put them in the spotlight over the Norway attacks. Rather arrogantly on her blog this Sunday Geller wrote "If anyone incited him to violence, it was Islamic supremacists."
In the UK Melanie Philips has written a massive body of distasteful work in this field. In 2009 she wrote in the Daily Mail, 'Any Western institution that endorses sharia-compliant products therefore effectively endorses the extremist ideology behind it of conquering the west for Islam, whether it knows it or not..?' Even more troubling is the potential cover provided by sharia finance for the financing of terrorism. Sharia requires Muslims to tithe a percentage of their money to charity, called 'zakat'.
Anybody that knows the importance of Zakat to all Muslims, whether devout or pretty lapsed, would realise just how pernicious her words are in implying that all our charity, welfare and philanthropic activities are to be treated with suspicion. Here is some Zakat in practice.
Douglas Murray, now part of the Henry Jackson Society is somebody else I hope reins his more aggressive rhetoric towards Muslims.
I could pick many more, including the website Harry's Place, which would have you believe that Tower Hamlets Council is in the hands of a right wing theocratic mafia. How this balances with Spitalfields being home to some of London's best late night drinking emporiums I am not sure. Harry's Place also specialise in attacks on many high profile politically active British Muslims, especially those that support campaigns linked to Palestine.
There is a great sensitivity related to this issue which needs to be discussed with restraint. The conflict in Israel Palestine has led in recent years to some awful hostility between pro Palestinian campaign groups and some groups closely aligned to Israel. This has also led to some pretty disgusting anti Semitism by some Muslim groups. Laurie Penny analysed these issues very well in an article about blogs and bullies.
This current demonisation spreading its poison across Europe and the world, reminds me of something closer to home as a British Pakistani involved in welfare and cultural work in Pakistan. I have all my adult life watched Pakistani and Indian politicians and religious led political groupings, demonise each other in the coarsest, most reactionary, and downright anti humanitarian manner to justify the conflicts supported and fed by the hawks in both establishments. I also know, as somebody with many Indian friends just how depressing and unnecessary this is and how it hurts both communities and countries.
It is a damning reflection on politicians and wider society that more pressure has not been put on groups such as the EDL in order to deter targeted attacks on Muslim communities. I can only hope that the horrific events in Norway make people, regardless of their political stance or faith, stop and think that those they consider to be 'others' are just like them actually– children, mothers, brothers, sisters, friends.
Anwar Akhtar is the director of www.thesamosa.co.uk, a British culture and news project.


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Adam Sandler, Chris Rock and Burt Reynolds star in THE LONGEST YARD, a remake of the hit 1974 comedy, to be broadcast Saturday, July 27 (9:00-11:20 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
When former NFL pro quarterback Paul Crewe (Sandler) is sent to prison, he persuades fellow convict and former football coach Nate Scarborough (Reynolds) to help him transform a diverse group of inmates into a football team.
Unlikely teammates, the convicts unite when they find out it's the guards who they will be playing. With the help of Scarborough, Caretaker (Rock) and the rest of the meanest and biggest inmates in the prison, Crewe promises the cons a chance to exact Revenge in a bone-crunching showdown where anything goes.


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April 23, 2010
Changing Speeds
A Town Called Panic
Last weekend I was lucky enough to see Panique au Village (loosely translated as A Town Called Panic), a wonderfully manic Belgian claymation featuring characters similar to plastic children's toys. Early in the film, Cowboy and Indian accidentally order 10 million bricks from an online brick retailer, and in a frenzied, ill-conceived attempt to conceal their mistake, stack them on top of their home. Unsurprisingly, this results in a spectacular collapse, setting off a series of hilariously silly and enjoyable events. Walking out of the theater, I said to my wife "How could anything so pointless and illogical not be fun?"
This week, Lou Piniella put the lie to that statement by making Carlos Zambrano the highest-paid middle reliever in baseball history. Pointless and illogical? Check. Fun? To a Cubs' fan, not so much.
Admittedly, the Cubs bullpen has so far been in shambles, with a 1-6 record and four blown saves. The club hasn't found a suitable replacement for injured set-up man Angel Guzman, with veteran lefty John Grabow and sunk cost icon Jeff Samardzija the most notable names to have contributed to a string of epic late-inning failures. The imminent return of starter Ted Lilly meant that someone was going to be bumped from the rotation, but Piniella's choice of Zambrano to bridge the starter/closer gap only makes sense in two situations:
Zambrano is the worst of the Cubs' six starters. Whichever starter moves to the bullpen is likely to pitch perhaps 120 fewer innings on the year. While it's true that outs recorded in the seventh and eighth innings often have a higher win expectancy swing than those recorded earlier on, that difference in leverage doesn't remotely outweigh the sheer number of additional innings a starter will work during a season. Teams need to have their best, most durable pitchers work as many innings as they can without incurring injury. Therefore, it's a no-brainer that the least effective starter should be tabbed to work fewer innings. If that's Zambrano, then Piniella's decision makes sense. But does anyone truly believe that to be true, when Zambrano is in the same rotation as Carlos Silva? Admittedly, Big Z spent Opening Day playing Zippo lighter to Jason Heyward's fuse, but his last three starts have been solid, and PECOTA projects him to put up a 4.09 EqERA. Meanwhile, Carlos Silva's projected 5.11 EqERA screams out that his torrid start is most akin to love at first sight: wonderful, unexpected, and unlikely to last. Handing 120 extra innings to the wrong Carlos based on their first four starts is quite likely to cost the Cubs a few wins over the course of the season.
Zambrano is unlikely to hold up this year under a starter's workload. If the Cubs feel that Big Z is going to break down, then moving him to the pen and keeping him healthy would make sense—better to leverage the 80 innings he can be trusted to provide in as critical a role as possible. However, there doesn't seem to be any indication that they made this move to protect Zambrano's health. His innings count has been declining the last two seasons, but the time he missed last year was due to back spasms and a hamstring injury, not arm problems, and the club's PR machine spent much of spring training crowing about Zambrano's newfound commitment to conditioning. If the Cubs were to move a starter to the bullpen to protect his arm, the best choice would be Randy Wells, who starts his first full season in a big-league rotation sitting squarely in the Verducci Effect's bullseye after last season's 60-plus jump in innings pitched.
Absent either of those criteria, or a commitment to use Zambrano as a modern-day Mike Marshall working 180 innings out of the Cubs' pen, there's little to like about this move, and even less to like about the explanations provided in support of it, both by the club and in some quarters of the media. One school of thought is that Zambrano's stuff plays better in the late innings than that of his rotation mates—but wouldn't Ryan Dempster's experience as a closer make him a better fit? Another argument is that Piniella is using this move as a signal to general manager Jim Hendry that he needs to amp up his search for bullpen help—but since anyone with a TV, a radio, a browser, or a pulse knows the Cubs need late-inning assistance, doesn't Hendry already know this without the need for Piniella to willfully construct his club in a way that's likely to cost it wins?
Clearly the Cubs bullpen will need to improve if they want to contend, but there are other options available to them, e.g., trade for a middle reliever, pick one up out of the free-talent pool, call up Andrew Cashner or Jay Jackson or John Gaub, or teach Samardzija a cutter or a shineball or anything that gives his fastball some shred of movement. Relievers are fungible, and bullpens can be tinkered with and improved without the need to move your Opening Day starter into middle relief.
It's human nature to overreact to the type of losses the Cubs have endured so far this season. Not to tread on Russell Carleton's toes, but when a team has a late-inning lead it's natural to feel that you already "own" that game, and people attribute far more value to things they already own than to things they hope to acquire. In one recent study, a group of Chinese workers were told they'd receive a monetary bonus if they reached a production target, while another group were told they had already provisionally received the bonus, but would lose it if they didn't reach the production target. That's two ways of saying the same thing, but the second group consistently outperformed the first because they felt the bonus was already "theirs." This might explain why those supporting the move of Zambrano to the pen can rationalize that 80 late innings pitched will be more valuable than 180 early ones.
While human nature is an explanation, it's not an excuse. Zambrano pitching in the seventh and eighth innings may preserve a few more games that the Cubs feel they already own, but it's unlikely that will outweigh the number of games they'll lose in the early innings because Silva is starting instead. The decision to move the wrong Carlos into a set-up role smells like panic, a frenzied, ill-conceived attempt to conceal the organization's bullpen misfortunes, and it's a decision that might just collapse on the Cubs like a ton of bricks.
Ken Funck is an author of Baseball Prospectus. Follow @KenFunck
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Let's also not forget the difference in Zambrano's value as a hitter (.630 lifetime OPS) vs Silva (.350).
Apr 23, 2010 11:08 AM
Ken - Unless I'm interpreting the stats in my 2010 BP incorrectly, Zambrano's projected win expectancy is only 2.2 wins greater than Silva's. Seeing as how a good 8th inning guy is worth about that much, how is this such a dumb move?
Apr 23, 2010 13:00 PM
And to reply to my own comment, I'm assuming that the guys Zambrano's replacing are replacement level players, which may actually be a bit kind to them.
Apr 23, 2010 13:03 PM
Actually, the guy that's replacing the sub-replacement reliever is Ted Lilly, right? With Lilly coming back, one of the sub-replacement relievers is going to be swapped out--and that will be good for the Cubs in aggregate. The question then becomes whether you want 180 more innings from Zambrano and 80 innings from Silva, or vice versa. If Zambrano's the better pitcher, you ought to want more innings from Zambrano--if not, you're giving back some of what you gain from getting Lilly back in the first place.
Apr 23, 2010 14:25 PM
OK. So when I look at the numbers a little more closely, Zambrano's PECOTA 2.9 win projection is figured over 173 innings, and Silva's .7 win projection is figured over 80 innings. So given that:
Apr 24, 2010 08:26 AM
Thanks for the reference - I've added Panique au Village to my Netflix queue.
Apr 23, 2010 13:28 PM
Might be a while until you get it -- I don't think it's on DVD yet, since it's still in theaters. Check their website to see if it's playing near you. Hope you enjoy it, and keep in mind what it says at the end of the review in The Onion AV Club: "Just know this: A Town Called Panic is the kind of movie in which you will see a horse in a Santa Claus suit, riding on a manta ray in order to dupe a race of wall-stealing fish people. Adjust expectations accordingly."
Apr 23, 2010 16:31 PM
Could this also be about sending a message to Zambrano? One would hope that a quality manager would be able to send the message in what might be described as a more subtle fashion, but sometimes receipt is not guaranteed in any other way...
Apr 23, 2010 14:52 PM
... and it's one that I've also heard others mention. Plausible, certainly, though I'm not sure what the message would be at this point.
Apr 23, 2010 16:35 PM
I think people are overreacting to the move. If Zambrano is in the bullpen for more than 2 weeks, I'd be surprised. This is a temporary move to help stabilize the bullpen till Caridad returns and some of the younger relievers settle down. Count me as one of the crazy ones, but I don't see anything in Silva's pitching that indicates he can't keep pitching respectably. His sinker sinks, he's changing speeds, and most importantly he's throwing strikes. He's been a joy to watch pitch so far, and the Cubs need to get as much bang for their buck as they can out of him while he's still pitching well.
Apr 23, 2010 14:55 PM
Free Kiko Calero? The Mets inexplicably have him stashed in a shoebox somewhere and the Cubs could probably get him for next-to-nothing.
Apr 23, 2010 15:40 PM
As long as the move to the bullpen is short-term, then I don't see a problem. Zambrano has the best "stuff" out of the rest of the starters, so I think he'll have the highest chance of success. This just buys Hendry some more time to make a deal. Besides, the Cubs starters have performed admirably, and this without Lilly, who has statistically been the best Cubs starter the last 3 years.
Apr 23, 2010 22:58 PM
An article about the Cubs, based solely on BP recommendations for this year and a couple years into the future would be interesting I think. Not only from the performance viewpoint, but player health and economics. In effect if BP were the new GM.
Apr 24, 2010 10:17 AM
Richard Bergstrom
Keep in mind that Silva was seen as a sunk cost and a bad contract. He's throwing well as a starter right now, so it makes sense to keep him in the rotation and avoid rocking his boat so that he can build some additional value. Then, if the Cubs are out of contention by mid year, Silva could be flipped for something more useful.
Apr 24, 2010 11:54 AM
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