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December 17, 2009
Prospectus Today
Of Unselfish Decisions and Restocked Systems
Roy Halladay signed a contract extension today that will guarantee him $60 million over three years, with a vesting option that would pay him another $20 million if he pitches enough innings in the first three years of the deal.
That's the story here: Not the first trade, not the second trade, and not the third trade. The story here is that one of the best players in baseball took somewhere between 35-50 percent of his market value to facilitate a trade, leaving somewhere between $60 and $100 million in guaranteed money on the table. This is a staggering upset, one for which there is virtually no comparison in baseball history.
One year ago, CC Sabathia got $161 million in guaranteed money, an average of $23 million per season over seven seasons, as a full-fledged free agent. Two years ago, in a similar situation to that of Halladay, Johan Santana engineered a trade to the Mets and signed an extension totaling $137.5 million over six seasons, just shy of $23 million per season. Halladay, a bit older than both pitchers at the time of their deals but essentially even in value to both, took less guaranteed money per season across half the guaranteed years. To pull an example from this winter, John Lackey just got a guaranteed $82 million as a free agent. Halladay's teammate for three years, A.J. Burnett, got a guaranteed $82 million one year ago. Neither Lackey nor Burnett has Halladay's credentials. Lackey and Burnett have a combined 36 points in Cy Young voting in their careers; Halladay had 71 in just the 2008 vote alone, the third of four straight seasons in which he's finished in the top five in AL Cy voting.
Halladay's contract is so far removed from his market value that it looks like an error. Remember, he had to approve not only the contract, but the trade to the Phillies that precipitated it. He made the choice that he wanted to be with the Phillies so much-and wanted to be with them immediately so much-that it was worth it to him to leave $60 million, $80 million, maybe $100 million unclaimed. There is no way anyone could have predicted this even a few weeks ago. This is the kind of decision that a player gets to make for himself and his family. Halladay gets to play for a contender in 2010 and gets to do so with a team he wishes to play for, one that holds spring training near his Florida home, and he valued those things more than the marginal dollars foregone by not testing the market. I don't judge him for it, but I do think we should all be stunned by how much money this man left on the table. There is no precedent for it in sports.
The extension Halladay signed justifies an otherwise unremarkable trade by the Phillies, who gave up three good prospects, including the heretofore untouchable Kyle Drabek, to bring in Halladay on the last season of his contract. That's the kind of trade teams make all the time, dealing prospects for a player who can help them win when they're at the peak of the success cycle, and for all the hype this trade has received, it's not all that special in the abstract. The Phillies' ability to get Halladay to sign a favorable extension, however, gives them an anchor in the years to come. It was worth sacrificing the prospects not for the 2010 season, but for the 2011-13, perhaps 2014, seasons to come, at the price they paid for those seasons.
Drabek is the prize of the deal, the son of Cy Young winner Doug Drabek and the Phillies' first-round pick in 2006. After missing most of the 2008 season to Tommy John surgery, Drabek dominated the Florida State League and pitched well enough after a promotion to Double-A for the Phillies to refuse to deal him at the in-season trade deadline. His size-listed at 6'0", 185 pounds-is a concern, especially for his anticipated role as a front-end starter, but his stuff and his performance have alleviated some of those concerns. Michael Taylor, prospect number two, followed up on his breakout 2008 with another strong year, making it to Triple-A in August and holding his own there. He's become more disciplined as he's come through the system, with better K/BB data at Triple-A than Double-A, and Double-A than High-A, without sacrificing the power that is his calling card. I like Domonic Brown's speed and approach a bit better, but there's nothing about Taylor that indicates he isn't already close to the majors. As Kevin Goldstein noted last year, he gets high marks from the Phillies for his makeup as well. Travis D'Arnaud is a young catcher with a broad base of skills who spent the year in the Sally League. A supplemental first-round pick in 2007, D'Arnaud showed good power in 2009 for his league (52 extra-base hits, .164 ISO), with acceptable plate discipline and defense. His second half was much stronger than his first. He's at least two years away, and has some development ahead of him to become an MLB catcher.
The Phillies, to some extent, paid in prospects instead of money for Halladay. The value he left on the table made it possible for the Phillies to trade perhaps their two best prospects and another top-ten guy to get him, because they're not going to be so exposed on the back end of a monster extension.
This, in fact, gets to my biggest problem with the sequence: Roy Halladay just left $60 million on the table to come to Philadelphia. The Phillies couldn't leave $9 million on it in pursuit of putting him on the best team in baseball? I appreciate Ruben Amaro Jr. consistently staying on point, labeling the Cliff Lee trade an exercise in refilling the farm system rather than in keeping the 2010 payroll below an arbitrary number. I do not, however, believe he is doing anything more than fronting for an absurd ownership initiative. The Phillies play in a taxpayer-funded ballpark, have been to back-to-back World Series-with all the direct revenue that generates-and will no doubt pack Citizens Bank Ballpark again in 2010 with another three million people paying even higher ticket, parking, concession, and souvenir prices. To trade away Cliff Lee in a blatant money move is utterly ridiculous under those circumstances, and worse still, turns the Roy Halladay trade into little more than a minor upgrade.
The gap between Halladay and Jamie Moyer, who has drifted to replacement level, is along the lines of six wins in a given season. The gap between Halladay and Lee might be one win. Or it might not. Going from Lee to Halladay is effectively a lateral move in the short term and takes nearly all the air out of the Halladay trade for the Phillies. They have essentially the same team today that they did yesterday, and given that the Blue Jays sent along six million bucks with Halladay, the same payroll that they did yesterday. They will be better for having Halladay the next three years, but at the moment, very little has changed for them other than that they don't have as much depth to call on in 2010 should they need a starting pitcher or an outfielder. They took a prospect downgrade in the deal, getting back less than they dealt away, although that will be mitigated by having Halladay in the three or four seasons that follow.
Unless it was about money-and the idea that therefore Amaro had to trade Lee to be able to acquire Halladay-there was no reason to make the second trade. Even if you grant Amaro's notion that the Phillies wanted to restock the farm system, trading Lee now wasn't at all necessary. The Rangers, having missed out on John Lackey and having watched the Mariners getting better, could be in on a starter. The Mets are looking for rotation help. Any number of teams might have come up with a package better than what the Mariners did, and unless there was a directive to hold down the payroll by trading Lee right now, it behooved Amaro to explore those paths. There was no baseball reason to trade Lee in connection with acquiring Halladay, and no defense of doing both at the same time that doesn't include the phrase "arbitrary payroll figure" sounds na�ve.
The Phillies' penury is the Mariners' gain. With Erik Bedard making just 15 starts last season, the Mariners' rotation consisted of a Cy Young candidate and a huge falloff to a series of fourth starters. Adding Lee to Felix Hernandez gives them a pair of starters that matches any team's top two, and with Ian Snell, Brandon Morrow, and Ryan Rowland-Smith lining up behind those two, the Mariners' rotation now looks like a strength. This is a team, remember, that put a tremendous defense on the field last year, and with the re-signing of Jack Wilson and import of Chone Figgins, will look to do so again in 2011. Bumping the payroll by trading for Lee and signing Figgins confirms for me a comment I made in a chat session a few weeks back: the Mariners may have decided that they won't be able to sign Hernandez, and will instead try to win a championship in the next two seasons with him. The upgrade from the pitchers who might make the 32 starts Lee will take next season-Doug Fister, Garrett Olson, a third-tier free agent-to Lee is a standings gain of perhaps six wins, or as much of a gain as you can reasonably make in one transaction. Adding Lee moves the Mariners from a .500 team to one of the co-favorites in a division where the Angels have taken huge talent hits and the Rangers might be a year shy of asserting dominance. Depending on how the rest of the winter shakes out, the Mariners might be the team to beat come April, but they still need at least one, maybe two hitters.
They didn't cripple their future in making this deal, either, giving up less in talent to get Lee than the Phillies did to get Halladay. Phillippe Aumont is a 2007 first-round pick who has just 106
As good as the Mariners did, though, the big winners here were the Blue Jays. Behind the eight-ball with a pitcher they could not sign and could not trade without his permission, which likely meant a value-killing contract commitment, they were able to bring in three prospects who could all be part of winning teams in the middle of the decade. What Alex Anthopolous brought back dwarfs what the Twins got for Santana two years ago. It's too easy to say that Drabek could grow into a Halladay replacement, but he has that kind of ability. Remember that the Blue Jays have shown a facility for turning lesser pitchers into league-average starters. Drabek has more talent than any pitcher in their system. D'Arnaud is a polished hitter with a strong enough arm to remain behind the plate, and while he doesn't have the star potential Drabek has, he projects as an inexpensive, good player at a key position.
Anthoplolous traded the third prospect, Taylor, to the A's for Brett Wallace. This is an interesting challenge trade, dealing the more complete player for the player with one dominant skill. The Jays' advantage in acquiring Wallace is that they will be able to develop him as a first baseman if need be, as they have only Lyle Overbay in his way, and that only for a year. Wallace isn't as bad a third baseman as he looks to be on first glance, lacking lateral range but having acceptable hands and moving fairly well back and forth. An eventual move off of third has long been assumed inevitable, and if that is necessary, the Jays can fade that. Wallace joins Travis Snider and Adam Lind for what could end up as a championship-caliber middle of the lineup. For the A's part, they get the player with the broader skill set who may fit their situation a bit better; the A's need outfielders who can cover ground, and Taylor is a good right fielder who could make their team out of spring training.
All of these moves were set in motion by one decision: Roy Halladay taking half his value to pitch for the Philadelphia Phillies. For that, the Phillies assure themselves an ace in 2011-13, the Blue Jays get a package that didn't look within their reach to kick-start their rebuilding, the Mariners launch themselves to perhaps a lead role in the AL West, and the A's align their talent slightly better as they try to get back to prominence. That's a big day for one man, and he won't even throw a pitch for his new team for another two months.
Joe Sheehan is an author of Baseball Prospectus.
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May he blow his elbow out in Mid-April and have Tommy John a week later.
Dec 16, 2009 22:50 PM
Randy Brown
Why do you even bother posting? Take this garbage back to talk radio where it belongs. Actually, it doesn't even belong there.
Dec 17, 2009 10:25 AM
I believe this gentleman would be happier at another site where his talent for uninhibited comment would be properly appreciated. I suggest BP 86 him and send him back his subscription. Disgusting.
Dec 17, 2009 10:45 AM
I don't think I've ever seen a rating that low in my life. Can we get to -100?
Dec 17, 2009 13:32 PM
I really don't understand why the phillies dealt Lee. Amaro can say whatever he wants about restocking the system, but if that's really the goal then why not wait it out until later in the offseason cycle when the less active teams start to feel pressure from their fanbase to 'make a splash' in the offseason? Or better yet, why not wait until July, get the benefit of a half season from Lee and then move him when the various contenders will be desperate to add Lee for a dominant stretch run a la his 2009? Is this really the best offer that any team made for Cliff Lee? And if so, why is such a great pitcher being dealt twice for so little in less than 6 months. What do GMs know about him that we dont?
Dec 16, 2009 22:53 PM
Not to be too flip, but maybe the Phillies liked the package Seattle was offering. I don't know that anyone can say that some bigger haul was out there if only some patience had been exercised. And as for waiting, that's not the Phillies MO, which seems to be about locking in cost certainty as quickly as possible. The FO seems to be extremely reluctant to let the offseason drag on without knowing what they'll be spending.
Dec 17, 2009 13:28 PM
That's a fine theory, but how can you possibly say that Lee offered more value to the team as trade bait. Look at how good he was for them last year and look at who will replace him in the pitching rotation (Jamie Moyer). Lee is only there for one more year, and the three guys they got clearly have more value than 2 compensation picks in the 2011 draft. But the phillies are in the 90-95 expected win zone where each additional victory has massive implications in terms of making the playoffs and getting home field advantage. Additionally, their core guys (ie howard, utley and rollins) are either aging or have skill sets that tend to fade quickly. It's is also very unlikely that they will be able to sign everyone after 2011 or 2012. Given all that, I'm pretty comfortable with the statement that there is no credible baseball reason to trade Lee right now. It was a salary move.
Dec 18, 2009 07:44 AM
Well RAJ doesn't seem to agree that the team is 2010 or bust, so you have to accept his perspective. He intends to try to keep the team at an elite level in 2011 and beyond, and isn't fatalistic about inevitable declines or rapidly closing windows. And if he's going to keep the team going, then he has to restock the minor league system with talent that could be ready to go in 2011. (Considering that Gillies and Aumont, if not all 3, will begin the year in AA, they're on target to meet that goal.) There really aren't any other players on the roster who are expendable enough and good enough to net the kind of prospects that Lee did (others are expendable but not as good, or as good but not as expendable). Of course money had something to do with it as well, both for this year and beyond, since the owners clearly aren't going to let the payroll swell too much as the core gets older and more expensive. So Ruben's either going to have to let other popular players go as they get older and more expensive, or find a way to surround them with minimum wage talent ASAP. Trading Lee was a painful, but rational way of helping to meet that goal. At least imo.
Dec 18, 2009 22:33 PM
Is this supposed money left on the table any more unbelievable than what Juan Gonzalez left on the table oh so many years ago?
Dec 16, 2009 23:12 PM
No - it is not.
Dec 16, 2009 23:30 PM
You turn down $100 million like Halladay just did, then you can say that.
Dec 17, 2009 06:59 AM
Halladay did not turn down $100 million. Just because Sheehan says he did doesn't make it so. Did it ever occur to some of you that the reason he went to Philly is because they were the only ones willing to pony up the cash for a pitcher about to enter his decline phase? Probably not.
Dec 17, 2009 10:20 AM
There has to be a reason Lee was dealt. You must assume the deal wouldn't have happened without him in it, or the Phillies don't trust he can keep up the performance or health.
Dec 16, 2009 23:45 PM
Joe, I really don't understand this premise of Halladay having left money on the table. Yes, he left the guaranteed money on the table, but the strong likelihood is that he will play beyond 2013, meaning he will collect a salary commensurate with his skill set at that time. Indeed, signing a three-year contract instead of a six-year deal may get him more money in the long term.
Dec 16, 2009 23:47 PM
Scott D. Simon
I agree with eliyahu. The Sabathia deal may prove to be an outlier, much like the A-Rod-Rangers deal was. Neither I, nor any other baseball fans I know, felt that Halladay signed for less than 90% of his market value.
Dec 17, 2009 00:01 AM
Halladay will be 36 years old when he comes for a new contract. I sincerely doubt that anybody will be lining up to give him another 60-80 million.
Dec 17, 2009 00:27 AM
Randy Brown
Derek Lowe got it.
Dec 17, 2009 10:28 AM
Adam B.
Halladay bears the risk of any decline in performance or injury. during the next four seasons. If he continues to play at this level, the money (or even more) will be there, along with the flexibility of where to play; if there's a decline, he doesn't get the money.
Dec 17, 2009 06:20 AM
"if there's a decline, he doesn't get the money."
Dec 17, 2009 07:20 AM
Halladay's older than CC or Santana, so getting 7-8 years was not realistic. But 5 at $20M per would still be a great deal for the Phillies. Halladay instead opted for 2010 at ~$15M (under his current contract- Santana had the Mets rip up his existing contract), and then 2011-13 at $20M per, with performance incentives that could guarantee him $20M in 2014. So, e is guaranteed $75M over 4 years, with a good chance for $95M over 5. A discount, but not to the extent Joe contends.
Dec 17, 2009 09:21 AM
Agreed... Let's say for the sake of argument that Halladay has full confidence in his health lasting through until December of 2014. He gets a brand new free agent contract while CC is still getting paid in 2008 dollars. If his arm falls off between now and the day the 2014 option vests, then it is true that he left as much money on the table as Joe suggests. Otherwise, it will have been something significantly less. How much was an elite 30+ FA pitcher going for in, say, 2004? Assuming the he's healthy, would he prefer to be a FA now, or would he prefer to locked in for 2010-2012 at his current per annum? If Halladay is confident that his arm will hold up, he could rationally be expecting to do better than Sabathia $wise in the long run.
Dec 17, 2009 10:23 AM
Love the take, Joe.
Dec 17, 2009 00:05 AM
Scott D. Simon
I also feel compelled to add that the Phillies fans I know are PISSED at the Lee trade.
Dec 17, 2009 00:10 AM
You're right, a lot of Phillies fans are PISSED at the Lee deal... but, a lot of the same fans were PISSED last year when we got Lee instead of Doc (even though the Lee trade was brilliant, and I understood why we didn't pull the trigger on Doc at the time... even though the idea of both of them in a Phillies uniform, starting last year, would have been enticing to say the least and no fan in their right mind would have been mad about the gamble)
Dec 17, 2009 05:48 AM
Saying that Phils fans were pissed about getting Lee last year is a huge overstatement. No one thought giving up Drabek was wise then, and the worry that Happ might also go dominated the discussion. When Lee was acquired, Phils fans seemed delighted to keep Drabek, Happ and get the obvious better side of the deal compared to Cleveland.
Dec 18, 2009 10:13 AM
Whoa Joe! Don't get carried away. Halladay's contract stacks up pretty close to Sabathia & Santana. OK,OK it is slightly discounted because the per year amt is 1-3 million less, but you understate the age difference between the named pitchers. Santana signed with the mets at age 29 and Sabathia was 28, 3 & 4 years younger respectively than Roy. Yes they all pitch similarly today, but Santana & Sabathia are being paid for how they will pitch through their early 30's, Halladay's current age. Halladay is being paid for how he will pitch in his mid 30's. In 3 years I suspect Santana & Sabathia will be the superior pitchers, because of their younger ages.
Dec 17, 2009 00:38 AM
Sabathia is getting 23 million on average for 7 years. His productivity is likely not going to be uniform over this time interval. I assume the Yankees figured he was worth maybe $30 in the first few seasons, falling to 10-15 million in the last few seasons. In that context, the Halladay deal is not close to the Sabathia deal.
Dec 17, 2009 09:15 AM
Whoa Joe! You understate the age difference between Halladay, Santana, & Sabathia. Their contracts are more because they are longer term. They signed at 3 & 4 years younger than Halladays current extension, so they are being paid for how they will pitch in their early 30's, Halladay's current age. Roy is being paid for how he will pitch in his mid 30's. The talent is equal now, but what are the odds Sabathia & Santana are superior pitchers in 3 yrs from now, when Halladay is 35+ yrs old.
Dec 17, 2009 00:43 AM
Excellent take on all of it. That's two in a row you've nailed, with some of the best analysis I've seen in a long time. AA was in a tough spot, and he did his job better than his precedessor was able to in 8 old years.
Dec 17, 2009 05:14 AM
Greg Ioannou
I heard AA interviewed on The Fan last night. What strikes you immediately is that he is much more professional -- and just plain much smarter -- than JP. One of his basic attitudes was that he would get a much better deal if he could make it a win for everyone concerned. He also understands that future good deals are more likely to happen with that attitude. His answer to "are you finished trading for the winter" was something along the lines of "I've barely started." All very encouraging.
Dec 17, 2009 09:01 AM
As a phillies fan, i have a strong belief that the Lee deal was two thirds ownership, one third Ruben. I have heard more about the phillies 140M payroll over the past couple weeks than i ever could have imagined, so it's clear that ownership didn't want to go above this number. The 6M coming back from the Jays, and the subsequent trade of Lee's 9M contract screams that ownership wouldn't have let Ruben go over this budget. That being said, Ruben could have been a little more creative. He could have traded blanton's 7M, and sold ownership on the benefits of keeping Lee over Blanton for only 2M. Granted, i'm sure he explored this option, but probably didn't get many bites on a Blanton trade which made him explore what he could get for Lee. He clearly likes the prospects from the M's, and even though he probably could have waited it out and possibly found a better deal for Lee, it seems obvious that ownership wouldn't have allowed the Halladay trade without knowing that another significant salary was coming off the books at the same time. So, i think a part of the Lee trade was Ruben thinking that he needed to restock the system, but a much bigger part was that ownership had his hands tied from the start and Ruben knew it was now or never if he wanted to get his guy... and he did what he needed to do to make it happen.
Dec 17, 2009 05:42 AM
You don't blame Amaro for signing Polanco, Schneider and Gload for millions? As I've said in the unfiltered thread. They didn't have to even choose between Blanton or Lee, he just didn't have to sign these replaceable players as soon. Then the draft picks they would get for Lee would have restocked the system just as well as getting the guys they got via the Mariners. (I'm not sure but it might have been possible they would get draft pick compensation for Blanton as well.)
Dec 17, 2009 06:40 AM
mltepper is exactly right.
Dec 17, 2009 07:29 AM
Focusing solely on the Lee deal, this is why it is so frustrating for Phillies fans. The lack of creativity in locking up beaten-up spare parts for the bench resulted in a missed opportunity to retain Lee and have the best rotation in baseball to go along with a top shelf lineup.
Dec 17, 2009 10:03 AM
100% agreement. Like you couldn't have found someone for league minimum to do what Schneider and Gload are going to do? You're going to ship out a great/elite pitcher to restock a farm system in the hope that one day five years from now, Phillipe Aumont will be a great/elite pitcher?
Dec 17, 2009 11:25 AM
I would love to see some analysis of the difference between Polanco and Greg Dobbs compared to the difference between Cliff Lee and Jamie Moyer. I find it hard to believe they aren't close to equal.
Dec 17, 2009 12:04 PM
not sure where you're getting your numbers. Schneider $2.75M/2y. Gload $2.60M/2y. Polanco $18M/3y. for 2010 alone, that's $1.25 + $1.3 + $5M = $7.5M. Subtract the cost of three replacement-level contracts and you get around $6M. Certainly within sniffing distance of what it takes to get Lee for 2010. So antoine6, settling for minor league bench players instead of washed-up vets may not get you a year's worth of a Cy Young winner, but it gets you within $3M. At that point, you can pass the hat if you need to...
Dec 17, 2009 12:50 PM
No, check your numbers. The Gload and Schneider contracts are both paying 1 million this year, and more next year. Value isn't spread evenly over the two years.
Dec 17, 2009 15:25 PM
I'm completely aware that I'm willing to make my 3rd baseman replacement level in order to keep Cliff Lee and have him replace Jamie Moyer in the rotation.
Dec 17, 2009 19:40 PM
no, i don't blame ruben for those moves. i think he got good value in the polanco deal (i think he's an upgrade over Feliz, and we're only paying him half a million more... good value in my mind), and he didn't pay the other guys much so im not sure where your complaint is. i guess you are saying that he acted too fast, and should have waited to see how things shook out and tried to grab a bargain late in the offseason? if so, i disagree with that strategy. im fine with him being decisive, and acting when he has a chance to sign the player he wants at the price he is comfortable with.
Dec 17, 2009 09:53 AM
"im fine with him being decisive, and acting when he has a chance to sign the player he wants at the price he is comfortable with."
Dec 17, 2009 10:19 AM
"I think its safe to say that that strategy cost him the opportunity to have both Halladay and Lee in his starting rotation."
Dec 17, 2009 14:02 PM
Keeping Lee is hardly "only worrying about 2010". They're going to get 2 first round picks for him at the end of the year which isn't light years away from three A ballers. Not the same, but not too different either.
Dec 18, 2009 11:48 AM
I think there really is a big difference between getting two picks for Lee in the June 2011 draft vs. getting all 3 players from the Lee deal to begin the year in AA in 2010. (RAJ has already said that he plans to assign all 3 to AA.) Unless the Phillies want to use those 2 theoretical Lee picks on good, advanced college level players who can jump to the majors in under a year (an extremely unrealistic expectation, I'd think), they're going to get players who wouldn't realistically hit the big leagues until - what - 2014 at the earliest? (2012 in A, 2013 in AA). Meanwhile the Phils can hope that their Lee haul will be ready to contribute as soon as 2011 or 2012. That's not an insignificant difference at all, especially considering the serious payroll crunch that's going to hit the team in 2011. The ability to bring in minimum wage talent at that point is more or less essential if the Phillies want to avoid shedding other useful, popular players.
Dec 18, 2009 22:52 PM
There's still a big difference between getting two picks when Lee leaves vs. the 3 prospects they got in yesterday's deal. One difference is that these 3 have been tested in the minors, so they're not imaginary lottery tickets like Anthony Hewitt, who was the Phillies' last #1 pick. But more importantly, they're upper level talent, and thus will be MLB ready well before any of the compensation picks they'd get when Lee left town. This is critically important for a team with little upper level MiLB talent after Dom Brown, which also has an unsustainably expensive core of MLB talent. They need to replenish as soon as 2011, and have no apparent interest in going all in on the next year at the risk of cratering thereafter while they wait for their new wave of talent to emerge.
Dec 17, 2009 13:50 PM
Joe, two thoughts: First, if Halliday is at the phase in his career where he's interested in consistently pitching for a playoff-caliber team, then doesn't the contract make more sense? He's signed to the Phillies for the peak-to-start-of-decline years of their core, and can then go into the "ronin" phase of his career by signing with another playoff contender come 2015.
Dec 17, 2009 06:19 AM
"Would anyone have signed him to an 8 year deal going into his age 34 season?"
Dec 17, 2009 07:37 AM
The dollars and cents on the deal just don't add up. Keeping Lee cost $9 million, and in return they were guaranteed two draft picks in the 2011 draft plus whatever else he yielded in added value during the year. I doubt these three prospects will come close to amounting to that.
Dec 17, 2009 06:21 AM
You could also argue that three promising, upper level prospects have more value to the club in 2011 than two compensation picks, who won't be ready to help as quickly. The timetables on Seattle's 3 are much faster, and will be theoretically ready to arrive and replenish just when the big league team needs them.
Dec 17, 2009 14:17 PM
I think the most interesting part of this trade is the Blue Jays ability to leverage Doc's willingness to sign a below market deal with the Phillies. The Blue Jays recieved prospects equal to the the value of Doc on a 4/75M contract even though they only had him signed to 1/15M. Value was created were there wasn't any before the trade and extension agreement. I guess this is a Doc's going away present to the Jays.
Dec 17, 2009 06:27 AM
Except I honestly don't think that's where the value came from. Perhaps if the Phillies had to outbid someone to get Doc + the extension, but he really, he was only signing it for them. Since Halladay made it clear he wasn't going to allow an in-season trade, I don't see how the favorable extension helped.
Dec 17, 2009 06:44 AM
I agree 100%, but just for the record, Cot's says Moyer is due $6.5 million in 2010.
Dec 17, 2009 08:40 AM
Dave Montgomery (one of the Phillies owners) and Ruben Amaro both have said recently (Amaro as of this morning on the radio) that the Phillies are running at a loss. Is this a complete lie. I can't believe this is true considering what you are saying in regards to a taxpayer funded ballpark and going to the world series twice in two years and winning once (not to mention making it to the postseason three years ago as well).
Dec 17, 2009 06:34 AM
Its probably not a lie so much as it is a selective truth. My guess is they aren't counting all the revenue they're receiving into the equation. I'd bet if you add everything together, they're not losing money.
Dec 17, 2009 08:42 AM
Austin (Raleigh)
I believe the Phillies' management had to make the Lee deal now because if they had let their fanbase dream for even 1 day about a rotation with Halladay AND Lee they would have been eviscerated when they moved Lee for prospects later in the offseason.
Dec 17, 2009 07:07 AM
Ah, the fanbase'll forget about it after Spring Training starts. Heck, they may even forget about it after the Halladay presser. Any team that makes decisions based on what the fans think is doomed to make bad decisions (which, not conversely, is what Amaro has repeatedly done in his time as GM, with the lone exception of acquiring Lee in the first place).
Dec 17, 2009 08:44 AM
I am not sure why it is so surprising that Halladay "left money on the table." I do not know what $140 million can buy that $60 million cannot. It looks to me that Halladay considered a host of relevant factors and made a decision that makes sense for himself and his family.
Dec 17, 2009 08:33 AM
Nobody is begrudging him the decision, it's just that this isn't leaving $500,000 on the table to play closer to home. This is leaving more money on the table than has ever been left on the table in the history of sports. He left, conservatively, $40,000,000 on the table. That's a staggeringly unbelievable amount to essentially turn down.
Dec 17, 2009 08:48 AM
Did anyone notice how Halladay's agent was never mentioned? Halladay basically dictated where he wanted to play and he took less money to get where he wanted to go.
Dec 17, 2009 09:42 AM
I agree with the general thought, but I think you've exaggerated. Halladay will be 33 next year. Could he have gotten $60-100MM more than he just got?
Dec 17, 2009 08:44 AM
Joe, dead on and it took me a while to come to this conclusion myself. There are so many facets to this deal, you can't just blindly sit down and have one conclusion and be done. The facts are as you presented them.
Dec 17, 2009 08:50 AM
"As a Phils fan, I can say with conviction that we are, as a whole, retarded."
Dec 17, 2009 14:28 PM
what if they did not sign polanco and instead got a good def but replacement level hitter for 3b and kept Lee that would be such a better use of the marginal dollar.
Dec 17, 2009 08:51 AM
"a good def but replacement level hitter for 3b"
Dec 17, 2009 10:46 AM
The one they let walk had a $5.5 million option. Polanco is making 6 million. There's no cost savings available there that gets you to the 9 million needed to pay Cliff Lee.
Dec 17, 2009 12:07 PM
Pedro Feliz just signed with Houston for 1 year at $4.5 million, which is more than I thought but less than you said.
Dec 17, 2009 14:29 PM
I agree that the main story is Halladay but I don't think you can ignore the difference in age between Halladay and the other contracts cited.
Dec 17, 2009 08:59 AM
If the Phillies truly aren't making money with a new stadium and a team that has won 2 straight pennants then they never will. In this case ownership should either sell the team or acknowledge that winning comes before profit and be willing to take a small loss by doing things like paying Lee for one more season. I don't know what the books look like but I have a very hard time believing they aren't making money.
Dec 17, 2009 09:23 AM
It is our money (at least those that live in Philadelphia/Pennsylvania) who paid for the stadium they play in and the tickets that go to games. The tickets aren't the only revenue either, there are luxury boxes, concession sales, t-shirts/jerseys and all that other stuff, advertising revenue and then TV money probably eclipses all of that. Joe pointed out somewhere that Philly is the largest 1 team market in the country (and if it isn't, it's darn close). I don't think you have any idea how much money the Philadelphia Phillies make and ownership is happy to exploit that.
Dec 17, 2009 11:32 AM
The Phillies play in one of the largest markets in the country, in one of the largest cities in the country, in a taxpayer-funded ballpark, and they just won two straight NL championships, one of which was a WS victory. The notion that they're losing money under those circumstances is ridiculous.
Dec 17, 2009 13:27 PM
As current Blue Jays president Paul Beeston famously once said: "Under generally accepted accounting principles, I can turn a $4 million profit into a $2 million loss, and I can get every national accounting firm to agree with me."
Dec 18, 2009 00:15 AM
Halladay's free agency would have had a context much different than Sabathia's and (if he did not sign an extension) Santana's. It is possible that at this time next year both the Yankees and the Red Sox will be comfortable with their pitching situation and not looking to bring in a $100+ million contract. What would Halladay get if neither the Red Sox nor the Yankees were bidding?
Dec 17, 2009 09:22 AM
Some comparisons with Santana. Santana's first year with the Mets (and first year of his new contract), he was 28. Halladay's first year with the Phillies, he will be 33. The extension he is signing starts the year he will be 34.
Dec 17, 2009 09:41 AM
I think the age component of this is spot-on and explains why Halladay would have had a much harder time getting a six- or seven-year contract at Santana or Sabathia rates, though he could certainly have leveraged more money and another year or two from somebody.
Dec 17, 2009 10:36 AM
I'm not so sure Halladay couldn't have gotten a longer, more lucrative extension. Sure he is a lot older than Santana was but I'd put Halladay in the rare class of pitcher that will stay effective into his late thirties at least.
Dec 17, 2009 10:53 AM
Joe (or anyone) do I infer correctly that it may have been possible for the Phillies to have BOTH Lee and Halladay because of Halladay's relatively cheap contract?
Dec 17, 2009 09:42 AM
Not so much because of Halladay's relatively cheap extension, but because Halladay's extension didn't tear up this year's contract (at 15.75 million if I'm remembering correctly) AND becaue Lee's salary is 9 million this year, which is mind-bogglingly cheap if he put up the performance he did for the Phils last year after the trade.
Dec 17, 2009 10:50 AM
Joe, I don't quite get the love for Drabek. He only K'ed 7 per 9 in Double A and doesn't have an impressive groundball rate. Knowing that pitchers have an early peak and that strikeout rates tend to stabilize quickly, that doesn't look encouraging. Looking at his BP translations, he had a 5.1 K/9 rate, 3.3 BB/9, and 1.7 HR/9. Taking it a step further, his peak translations are 6.0, 2.6, and 1.1, basically making him what he seems to be in the minors, a pitch-to-contact type guy. Sometimes these guys bust out for sure, and I know scouts love him, but I don't see that he's putting much together yet.
Dec 17, 2009 10:01 AM
I think people are filtering Drabek's body of work thus far. He had some first year character issues that led people to believe his stats lagged his ability (not unusual for a HS pitcher), and then had a post-TJ season last year. I don't think you can just translate last year's numbers at face value. Drabek's probably a guy where it's legit to give the scouting report a little more weight than usual.
Dec 17, 2009 10:08 AM
I've always found those translations to woefully understate a player's ability and performance. What minor leaguer's translations can you look at and see a respectable big league stat line?
Dec 17, 2009 13:17 PM
Very true. Also, there have been a lot of great minor league pitcher's who became nothing. My point is more just that I don't think he's done much to justify praise or to be an important chip in a big trade at this point.
Dec 18, 2009 10:34 AM
Are there any minor league pitchers who have done enough to justify praise and be major trade chips in your eyes? There are very few 21 year old SPs in 2A touching 96 w/ plus CBs that have control and are posting solid numbers. Those that are doing all that are gaining praise and are major trade chips.
Dec 18, 2009 16:28 PM
I can't believe the only way they could shed the payroll money was to trade your best starting pitcher. What a fail.
Dec 17, 2009 10:19 AM
Halladay left a signigicant chunk o' change on the table, just nothing the likes of what Joes contends. The New York teams had an obsession with Santana + CC, so overpaid accordingly. No one would've given that kind of money to Halladay, who at his more advanced age would've merited less in the first place.
Dec 17, 2009 10:53 AM
One point I haven't heard made ... how much of this deal was a desire for the Phillies to get more right-handed in the starting rotation. Before the deal, it looked the Phils would have just one righty (Blanton) in their top five. Now they have two.
Dec 17, 2009 11:46 AM
I'm not a Phillies fan but I would be disappointed too with the series of transactions. Polanco for 3 yrs at those rates to play 3B? Gload? Schneider? They definitely could have kept Lee and received a few choice picks next year or resigned him. Do you think Atkins would have rather signed with Philly than Baltimore? Getting Halladay worked out great but ditching Lee not so much.
Dec 17, 2009 12:46 PM
I was fairly certain that Cliff Lee had no interest in resigning with the Philles at the end of the year.
Dec 17, 2009 13:44 PM
Not really on the guys they got being closer to the bigs. Aumont and Drabek were both at 2A this year and both have some chance to pitch in the majors next year, though more likely in 2011. Taylor who they traded is essentially ML ready now, while D'Arnaud is a few years away at least. The two guys they got, Gillies and Ramirez were both in A ball this year and also at least a few years away.
Dec 17, 2009 14:58 PM
I don't like the idea of Polanco at third base for the next three years, at his age and the likelihood of a declining bat. Factor in Ibanez's inevitable decline, and I'm not sure the Phillies are any better off than they were last year and in the near future. Lee's presence would have made a huge difference.
Dec 17, 2009 12:54 PM
I think the only sensible answer is that Halladay hates Lee and wouldn't sign an extension if Lee wasn't traded. Its really the only thing that makes sense, even though its (almost certainly) completely untrue.
Dec 17, 2009 13:30 PM
It's a shame that we're not going to get to see Lee and Halladay in the same rotation. Halladay/Lee/Hamels/Happ going one through four would be something to behold. I've got to imagine that this is really going to blow up in Amaro's face if they don't win it all next year.
Dec 17, 2009 13:32 PM
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I don't know if the connection will get made, but the Phillies essentially chose $9 million cash instead of the performance difference between Lee and Jamie Moyer, which will almost certainly be more valuable than $9 million. It's risk aversion taken to a pathological level, and should the Phillies miss out on October baseball, it will likely be a significant part of the reason.
Dec 17, 2009 13:36 PM
While I agree I would've spent the money, are you sure that performance is really worth that much to the Phillies? They're favorites to win the division regardless (at least they will be almost everywhere; I'm sure BP will find a way to favor the Braves). Considering the division and wildcard availability, they're most likely going to get some playoff revenue regardless. They already sell out every game.
Dec 17, 2009 15:37 PM
It isn't about the regular season, I think if the Phillies were in a holding pattern they'd be okay in the regular season.
Dec 17, 2009 19:46 PM
It's $9 million cash *and* 3 upper level prospects vs. the performance difference between Cliff Lee and Jamie Moyer, isn't it? So it's not as much of a landslide loss.
Dec 17, 2009 15:47 PM
J Scott
Another Kyle Drabek skeptic here. Six feet tall, 185 pounds. TJ in his background. I don't see it. I asked once before at BP for the names of pitchers who had TJ prior to reaching the Majors who went on to have substantial careers AS STARTERS in the Majors. I got two names back, David Wells and Kenny Rogers. Both lefties; both physically much bigger men. Anyone have what they think is an optimistic comp for Drabek which takes the stature/TJ aspects into account? From here...I don't see it.
Dec 17, 2009 14:32 PM
Oswalt, though I don't think he had TJ. He just shocked the heck out of himself with electricity and it somehow cured his devastated arm. Totally weird story that doesn't get enough attention.
Dec 17, 2009 15:01 PM
Other SP who have had TJ prior to majors:
Dec 17, 2009 15:24 PM
The Crawfish Boxes
Begin their rebuilding process? When did the Blue Jays build anything?? Perpetually being in rebuilding mode...such is the plight of every small market team that continually trades veterans for prospects. I guess that's ok though. Better to do that, never give yourself a chance to compete, but have an ok farm system and make BPro heap praise upon you.
Dec 17, 2009 14:32 PM
When you say "When did the Blue Jays building anything??" I will assume you mean this decade, and not ever (those back-to-back World Series seemed like "something" at the time). they have had a rough time this decade, but have been the best non-playoff team a couple of years, and often the best third place team. This year they were in first place until mid-summer. They play in a tough division, which makes their life more complicated, but they haven't been truly bad for quite a while.
Dec 17, 2009 15:19 PM
The Crawfish Boxes
Ultimately though, truly bad, average, "sorta good", bad...what's the difference. Either you put yourself in position to win, make the playoffs and win the crapshoot that is the MLB playoffs...or you don't. It's nice to praise the saber GMs, but their track records aren't that much better than non saber GMs.
Dec 21, 2009 15:17 PM
I could write 4000 words on the deal (I actually did, but I won't write it again), but I think the one thing that seems to be eluding the grasp of most analysts is that the dropoff from Halladay to Lee is a bit sharper than most have mentioned.
Dec 17, 2009 17:31 PM
agree on the groundball issue -- Phillies pitchers got lit up at home last year after two seasons of adjusting the bandbox reputation.
Dec 17, 2009 18:25 PM
Halladay may be a significant upgrade, however, it's not like the team really needs that in order to get into the playoffs, the question is what do you do when/if you get there. Halladay and Lee together give you a much better shot in the postseason compared to just having one. And in a postseason series it's not like having one of those specific pitchers over the other is going to clearly give you and edge(other than the luck of facing a specific right or left handed leaning lineup). In a few postseason games it just doesn't really matter which of the two you have. I'd say that Sabathia was a better pitcher than Lee but look who performed better in the World Series.
Dec 17, 2009 19:51 PM
So you're saying that it's better to have the best starting pitchers during the postseason, and then cite where the best starting pitcher didn't get you the wins in the postseason as your proof.
Dec 19, 2009 05:12 AM
correction; 3.05 for Halladay, 3.69 for Lee. Close enough
Dec 17, 2009 17:33 PM
I didn't get to read all of these comments so it might have been said, but I did want to say that technically, Halladay didn't lose any guaranteed money, he added it. He had 9.5 mil guaranteed, now he has 69.5. Had he not approved this deal, who knows what would have happened in 2010? He could have pulled a Ben Sheets and lost a year to injury leading into an uncertain FA year, or any number of other things.
Dec 17, 2009 20:25 PM
i think we should consider the possibility that the phillies, in fact, LIKE THE PROSPECTS they got from the mariners. they have as good a scouting team as any in the majors. they built this championship team almost entirely from within. (maybe it was mostly arbuckle, but i'll give them the benefit of the doubt.) they know the mariners system very well, and they just LIKE these guys. the vol around a prospect, even in AA is so large, that i think it's really hard to objectively say, oh that was a ridiculous package of prospects for a year of Lee. I'm not saying that all you guys aren't right (god knows i'm a huge believer in Prospectus) but at some point a team makes a decision about whether they like a prospect or not, and the phillies have a pretty good track record in this department. so maybe the question should be why they traded for these three guys, given that they aren't morons, which i'm willing to concede, although many of you may not be.
Dec 18, 2009 08:44 AM
"i think we should consider the possibility that the phillies, in fact, LIKE THE PROSPECTS they got from the mariners."
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Others, like bills designating special days and license plates, moved without much in the way of comment or public opposition.
Here are 10 more of the law changes that were passed by the legislature and signed by Gov. Kasich, most of which will take effect in about three months:
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24. Designations: Lawmakers moved a number of bill that set aside certain days or weeks to draw attention to diseases or memorialize individuals.
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Violators would face felony charges, with potential prison terms.
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Environmental science major Sarabeth Brockley '10 is learning to be comfortable working in high places. Her research at the Lehigh Gap, conducted in collaboration with Professor Diane Husic and others, routinely takes her to the steep, elevated terrain of a local Superfund site that is gradually returning to life. Last week, her research took her to the Hill of Washington, D.C., where she presented her poster "Analysis of Plant Succession at the Lehigh Gap—a Superfund Site Undergoing Restoration" at the Posters on the Hill session conducted by the Council on Undergraduate Research, held May 4-5, 2009.
"CUR received 447 proposals and only 60 were selected, so this is an incredible honor," said Professor Husic, chair of the Department of Biological Sciences, who accompanied Brockley to the event. "To my knowledge, this is the first time a Moravian student has been selected for this."
Besides participating in the poster session, student researchers had the opportunity to meet individually with legislators and lobbyists. Brockley, along with Professor Husic, met with U.S. Representative Charles Dent (PA-15) and his senior legislative assistant Collin Long, as well as Kate McMahon, an aide to Representative Paul E. Kanjorski (PA-11). "Presenting a poster at this event certainly gives you a sense of accomplishment, but meeting and speaking with legislators to promote your work—and the importance of all undergraduate research—is truly thrilling," Brockley said. "Representative Dent, who was instrumental in obtaining early funding for the Lehigh Gap site, was very interested in our research and in our views as his constituents."
Learning through Research
The College's partnership with the Lehigh Gap Wildlife Refuge began in 2005 through a National Science Foundation grant and plant science consortium co-directed by Professor Husic. Since then, Husic has supervised three Moravian students whose research has focused on the site. Together with researchers from several other local colleges and organizations, such as LGWR, they have begun to re-vegetate the area with grasses, the first step in habitat restoration.
"Legislators love to hear about the work of those in their area who are engaged in solving problems like this one," said Professor Husic. "Restoring the Lehigh Gap site is important to the community because of its impact on recreation, tourism, the watershed, and much more."
Participating in the CUR poster session raises the visibility of Moravian College, while demonstrating the ability of a small liberal arts college to foster research of national significance. "It reinforces the message that research and education need not be separate endeavors," said Husic, who will take office as CUR president next month. "Students do not learn science best in the classroom—they learn best by doing. Legislators need to understand that institutions of higher education can and should be engaged in education, research, and community outreach simultaneously." The SOAR program, funded by the Rokke Endowment, is one way students and professors collaborate on educational research at Moravian.
This summer Brockley will participate in two summer SOAR projects. Besides continuing the work at the Lehigh Gap site, she will help research mutualisms between Cecropia species and Azteca guard ants in Peru, under the direction of John Bevington, professor of biological sciences.
"I love learning, and I can see myself doing academic research, such as this, in the years ahead," she said. "Dr. Husic has opened so many doors for me … the connections and opportunities available to students at a school like Moravian really can last a lifetime."
InCommon is Moravian's internal newsletter, produced every two weeks during the academic year by the public relations office.
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Christian IgelProfessor, Dr. habil.
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Short CVI studied Computer Science at the Technical University of Dortmund, Germany. In 2002, I received my Doctoral degree from the Faculty of Technology, Bielefeld University, Germany, and in 2010 my Habilitation degree from the Department of Electrical Engineering and Information Sciences, Ruhr-University Bochum, Germany. From 2003 to 2010, I was a Juniorprofessor for Optimization of Adaptive Systems at the Institut für Neuroinformatik, Ruhr-University Bochum. In October 2010, I was appointed professor with special duties in machine learning at DIKU. Since December 2014 I am full professor at DIKU.
Research InterestsMy main research area is Machine Learning.
Currently I am particularly interested in
- support vector machines and other kernel-based methods,
- evolution strategies for single- and multi-objective optimization and reinforcement learning,
- deep neural networks and stochastic neural networks,
Selected PublicationsPlease click here for a full list. I also maintain a Google scholar profile.
Oswin Krause, Dídac R. Arbonès, and Christian Igel. CMA-ES with Optimal Covariance Update and Storage Complexity. Advances in Neural Information Processing Systems (NIPS), supplement, 2016
Ürün Dogan, Tobias Glasmachers, and Christian Igel. A Unified View on Multi-class Support Vector Classification. Journal of Machine Learning Research
pp. 1-32, 2016
Fabian Gieseke, Justin Heinermann, Cosmin Oancea, and Christian Igel. Buffer k-d Trees: Processing Massive Nearest Neighbor Queries on GPUs. Proceedings of the 31st International Conference on Machine Learning (ICML). JMLR W&CP
32(1), pp. 172-180, 2014
Kai Brügge, Asja Fischer, and Christian Igel. The flip-the-state transition operator for restricted Boltzmann machines. Machine Learning
13, pp. 53-69, 2013
Oswin Krause, Asja Fischer, Tobias Glasmachers, and Christian Igel. Approximation properties of DBNs with binary hidden units and real-valued visible units. Proceedings of the 30st International Conference on Machine Learning (ICML). JMLR W&CP
28(1), pp. 419–426, 2013
Kim Steenstrup Pedersen, Kristoffer Stensbo-Smidt, Andrew Zirm, and Christian Igel. Shape Index Descriptors Applied to Texture-Based Galaxy Analysis. International Conference on Computer Vision (ICCV), pp. 2440-2447, IEEE Press, 2013
Asja Fischer and Christian Igel. Bounding the Bias of Contrastive Divergence Learning. Neural Computation
23, pp. 664-673, 2011
Tobias Glasmachers and Christian Igel. Maximum Likelihood Model Selection for 1-Norm Soft Margin SVMs with Multiple Parameters. IEEE Transactions on Pattern Analysis and Machine Intelligence
32(8), pp. 1522-1528, 2010
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Thorsten Suttorp, Nikolaus Hansen, and Christian Igel. Efficient Covariance Matrix Update for Variable Metric Evolution Strategies. Machine Learning
pp. 167-197, 2009 source code
Verena Heidrich-Meisner and Christian Igel. Hoeffding and Bernstein Races for Selecting Policies in Evolutionary Direct Policy Search. In L. Bottou and M. Littman, eds.: Proceedings of the International Conference on Machine Learning (ICML 2009), pp. 401-408, 2009
Christian Igel, Verena Heidrich-Meisner, and Tobias Glasmachers. Shark. Journal of Machine Learning Research
9, pp.
993-996, 2008 source code
Tobias Glasmachers and Christian Igel. Maximum-Gain Working Set Selection for SVMs. Journal of Machine Learning Research
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You have two options. The first and best option would be to file a "Motion to Recall Bench Warrant" in the court that originally issued the failure to appear warrant. In the motion, you can explain why you didn't appear for court all those years ago and advise the court of your intention to address and resolve the case. In the alternative, you may file a Motion to Surrender and Set Reasonable Bond and appear in court at the hearing to "turn yourself in" and request a release on your own recognizance, or a low bond amount.
Either option would resolve the issue but as old as your case is, I believe a Motion to Recall Warrant and/or a Motion to Dismiss would be your best option.
In either event, if the judge doesn't dismiss the case due to its age, you will have to go through the normal prosecution process to resolve the criminal case.
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CHICO — Patrick Ranch will host a Birds and Books Mixer on Wednesday as a jump-start to the valley's annual Snow Goose Festival that will have more bird-related events through Sunday.
The mixer, a compendium of local authors who have written books on the nature of Northern California as well as its history, its critters, and of course, birds.
Birds and Books Mixer will go 5-8 p.m. at the ranch, 10381 Midway, half-way between Chico and Durham.
Admission is free and there will be light refreshments featuring local products, live music, local wines and door prizes.
Local and regional authors will discuss their books and there will be books for sale.
A slide show program in Pat's Barn will be showing photos taken by Snow Goose Festival leaders, participants and professional photographers.
Glenwood Farm House will be open for tours for $5. The historic ranch — itself a prime location to get a glimpse of the winter migrating birds that are the reason for the Snow Goose Festival — was the home of the late Hester Patrick.
Patrick died in March 2001, leaving her Victorian home and land to Chico Museum. Patrick and her husband, the late William Garrison Patrick, moved into the home in the late 1950s. It was acquired by his family in 1898. The home and the Patricks had ties back to the beginnings of Chico.
Among the books and authors featured will be "The Big Year" by Debbie Shearwater, who is this year's Snow Goose Festival banquet keynote speaker;
"Sutter Buttes," by Michael Hubbartt, "The Humboldt Wagon Road" by Marti Leicester and David Nople, "Nature of Bidwell Park" by Jeanne Bose, "Denali ... After 50 Years" by Ron and Nancy Sanford, "Inside: The Inside Passage" by Ron and Nancy Sanford, "The Flumes and Trails of Paradise: Hiking Through History on the Ridge" by Roger and Helen Elkins ;
"Birds of Bidwell Park" by Roger Lederer and Carol Burr, Richard Burrill's Ishi books, "Reptiles and Amphibians of Bidwell Park" by Jackson Shedd, "Sacramento, A Transcendent River," "Shattered Air, A True Account of Catastrophe and Courage on Yosemite's Half Dome," "A Guide to California's Fresh Water Fishers" and "Pursuing Wild Trout," by Bob Madgic; "Adventures with the Parkers: 12 Book Series on National Parks" and "My Yosemite" by Mike Graf.
Other local authors Dick Cory and Naty Osa will attend.
The 15th annual Snow Goose Festival, an array of birding trips, programs, art exhibits and the Gathering of Wings banquet Saturday, celebrates the annual winter migration of water fowl through the north valley, opens with events Wednesday through Sunday with most activities taking place Saturday and Sunday.
Festival headquarters is at Chico Masonic Family Center, 1110 W. East Ave. For events and registration, visit www.snowgoosefestival.org.


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What is a red seal certificate
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What is the Interprovincial Red Seal Program?
The Red Seal Program was established to provide mobility across Canada for skilled workers. The "Red Seal" allows qualified trades persons to practice the trade in any province or territory in Canada where the trade is designated. Through the program certified journeypersons are able to obtain a Red Seal endorsement on their Certificate of Qualification by successfully completing, where applicable, an interprovincial standards examination.
The program encourages standardization of provincial and territorial apprenticeship training and certification programs. The program is administered in each province and territory under the guidance of the Canadian Council of Directors of Apprenticeship (CCDA).
Who administers the Red Seal Program and how does it work?
The program is administered in each province and territory under the guidance of the Canadian Council of Directors of Apprenticeship (CCDA).
The Manager of Apprenticeship Training, Department of Workforce and Advanced Learning is the PEI representative on this council. A National Occupational Analysis, developed for each Red Seal trade, is used as a base document for the development of interprovincial standard examinations. It is also used by the province for curriculum development.
What is the Interprovincial Red Seal Examination?
Interprovincial (IP) Red Seal examinations are used to determine whether apprentices and experienced tradespersons meet the national standard in a particular Red Seal trade. Eligibility for writing an exam is determined by each province/territory apprenticeship authority. The interprovincial examination is developed by a group of trade experts from all jurisdictions where an occupation is designated. If you are employed in a trade and would like to have information on apprenticeship and certification in your specific trade, choose from the list of trades on the righthand of the Apprenticeship homepage.Source: www.gov.pe.ca
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Innovating, Leading and Moving Public Health Forward at APHA
Nov 3, 2013, 4:43 PM
In the face of health care reform, funding challenges, and increased collaboration, public health faces a promising yet unclear future in terms of both financial support and program reach. On Saturday, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation co-hosted a forum with the American Public Health Association (APHA) in advance of the APHA 2013 Annual Meeting to discuss these issues – and more. Leading minds from the fields of public health, government and business met to get to the bottom of a crucial question: how do we move public health forward?
In the opening session, Paul Kuehnert, Director of the Public Health Team at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, explained that the field's challenge lies in "skating where the puck is going to be." APHA Executive Director Georges Benjamin echoed that sentiment, nothing that the forum was "an opportunity to figure out where the public is going and then, when the wave comes, be right there to catch it." The ensuing breakout sessions furthered this overarching theme with panels that discussed both the challenges they've faced -- and the opportunities they've found for success.
>>NewPublicHealth will be on the ground throughout the APHA conference speaking to public health leaders and presenters, hearing from attendees on the ground and providing updates from sessions, with a focus on how we can build a culture of health. Follow the coverage here.
Re-Thinking How We Pay for Public Health and Prevention
One panel discussed funding challenges that public health departments face and solutions that have been reached across the country. John Auerbach of Northeastern University's Institute on Urban Health Research, and former health commissioner of Massachusetts, touched on health care reform as a vehicle for preventive care. "Nearly 75 percent of those insured in Massachusetts have had a preventive care visit in the last 12 months," he explained. In other words, people who are insured are twice as likely to get care that could actually prevent them from getting sick, instead of having a treat a more serious illness. Auerbach also discussed development of the state's Prevention and Wellness Trust Fund — a four-year, $60 million public health trust supported by a one-time assessment on health insurers and largest clinical providers. Auerbach stressed that this source of funding was important, particularly because it's insulated from the variability of public funding and political tides.
By focusing on the critical services and programs that are truly necessary for the public health system to work, the Seattle and King County Health Department has developed a minimum package of public health services needed for all projects to success. David Fleming, Director and Health Officer in the Seattle/King County Health Department, and his staff determined the money needed to fund such a package in both per capita and overall costs. Washington State is now working with RWJF and other stakeholders to determine the feasibility of defining and costing these foundational services at the national level.
Advancing Health Where It Starts
Over in Minneapolis, an RWJF Roadmaps to Health Prize winner, community organizing has played a critical role in advancing public health issues and policy. The city's health department and more than 40 non-profit organizations are working together to improve health in lower-income communities by involving those who experience the greatest inequity in the process.
"My job is to empower people at the local level to give them power and get them at the table making decisions about what makes a difference," said Edward Ehlinger, Minnesota Commissioner of Health. At both the local and state level, Ehlinger explained, Minnesota's health department has successfully encouraged residents and other officials to see the health impacts of all actions.
Other sessions at the RWJF-APHA forum discussed community health in San Bernardino County, Calif., the importance of data in driving health action, and the need to pull different groups from across sectors together to move initiatives forward. Throughout the day, public health leaders from all levels had the opportunity to ask questions, offer insights, and dive deeper into important public health issues.
This commentary originally appeared on the RWJF New Public Health blog.


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Jammu, Jul 28 (UNI) Situation was tense but under control in the winter capital city as curfew remained in force in eight 'sensitive' police station areas today after violent clashes between police and people demanding restoration of forest land to Shri Amarnath Shrine Board (SASB).
Curfew has not been lifted from Janipur, Bakshi Nagar, Pacca Danga, Domana, Nowabad, Bus Stand, Peer Mitha and City Police station areas of Old City and other sensitive places in Jammu, police control room sources said.
However, despite curfew restrictions security forces were no where in the Parade Ground, the most sensitive area of Old City which witnessed massive clashes yesterday. ''Youths carrying stones and lathis were roaming in the Parade Ground and old city areas, where police-public clashes continued till late night yesterday,'' a UNI correspondent reported.
Life remained crippled here on the fifth consecutive day after the death of a protester Kuldeep Dogra, which rekindled massive agitation in the winter capital on the Amarnath row.
Various political and non-political parties joined under the banner of the Shri Amarnath Yatra Sangarsh Samiti (SAYSS) to continue the agitation against the government decision of revoking the order for diversion of forest land at Baltal (in South Kashmir) to SASB for construction of temporary structures to facilitate Amarnath yatris.


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MIAMI - Marlins pitcher Ricky Nolasco wants out.
According to an ESPN report, the Marlins highest paid player wants a trade.
Nolasco, 29, has a 76-64 record with a 4.49 ERA over the past seven seasons.
He stands to make over $11 million next season.
According to his agent, Nolasco was upset by the blockbuster deal with Toronto that sent away Mark Buehrle, Josh Johnson, Jose Reyes, John Buck, and Emilio Bonifacio.
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Garden's Company, South Carolina Light Artillery (Palmetto Light Battery)
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United States U.S. Military South Carolina South Carolina Military South Carolina in the Civil War Garden's Company, South Carolina Light Artillery (Palmetto Light Battery)
Brief History
The Palmetto Light Artillery was raised by Captain Hugh R. Garden in 1862. The men came from the areas of Sumter, Columbia, and Cheraw in South Carolina and fought in the Army of Northern Virginia for the rest of the war [1].
Companies in this Regiment with the Counties of Origin
Men often enlisted in a company recruited in the counties where they lived though not always. After many battles, companies might be combined because so many men were killed or wounded. However if you are unsure which company your ancestor was in, try the company recruited in his county first.
- The Palmetto Light Artillery, (accessed 26 Mar 2011). Sumter, Sumter County; Columbia, Richland County and Cheraw, Chesterfield County. This sight has links to a historical sketch and muster rolls.
Source Material
- Beginning United States Civil War Research gives steps for finding information about a Civil War soldier. It covers the major records that should be used. Additional records are described in 'South Carolina in the Civil War' and 'United States Civil War, 1861 to 1865' (see below).
- National Park Service, The Civil War Soldiers and Sailors System, is searchable by soldier's name and state. It contains basic facts about soldiers on both sides of the Civil War, a list of regiments, descriptions of significant battles, sources of the information, and suggestions for where to find additional information.
- South Carolina in the Civil War describes many Confederate and Union sources, specifically for South Carolina, and how to find them.. These include compiled service records, pension records, rosters, cemetery records, Internet databases, published books, etc.
- United States Civil War, 1861 to 1865 describes and explains United States and Confederate States records, rather than state records, and how to find them. These include veterans' censuses, compiled service records, pension records, rosters, cemetery records, Internet databases, published books, etc.
- Footnote.com, (accessed 26 Mar 2011). (A subscription website, but is available for use at the Family History Library and some Family History Centers). It has digital Civil War soldier service records and brief regiment histories (located at the bottom of some of the muster rolls).
- South Carolina Artillery, from South Carolina's Service in the War Between the States; Steve Batson's website, accessed April 2011. This website also lists officers of the regiment and companies, battles the regiment was involved in and company nicknames.
- Dedmondt, Glenn Southern Bronze : Capt. Garden's (S.C.) Artillery Company During the War Between the States (Columbia, South Carolina : Palmetto Bookworks, c1993), 255 pages. Book at FHL 975.7 M2dg and Other Libraries.
- Andrews, Robert W. The Life and Adventures of Capt. Robert W. Andrews, of Sumter, South Carolina : extending over a period of 97 years : replete with startling situations and interesting incidents. Together with reminiscences of the War of 1812, and the recent unpleasantness between the North and South ( Boston : Printed for the author by E.P. Whitcomb, 1887), 87 pages. Book at the Family History Library, FHL US/CAN Fiche 6082606, and WorldCat.org.
- ↑ Palmetto Light Artillery, (accessed 7 Apr 2011).


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Sony Has Switched Back On The Playstation Network In The U.S
The future of motion gaming is with the Kinect. It is really well-liked with households, as an ideal gaming tool for young little ones. It is also gaining recognition as a exercise tool, to be employed with a fitness game. Wii Remote: Competitor, Killer or Rip-off? The choice can turn out to be even a lot a lot more overwhelming as engineering marches on relentlessly and consoles appear to modify as rapidly as it is attainable to turn about, so if you're having some trouble generating a choice, right here are some thoughts that could just help you out. The average lifespan, it's estimated, of a games console is about five years. These PlayStation buttons are uncovered by sliding out the show in the handset. On the other hand if you are regional to the London area, on offer is a 'while-you-wait' service and this includes Saturdays. The firm is really effortless to contact you can go on-line and verify out what services are on offer, then you can contact by telephone or E-mail. This is poor news for on-line gamers simply because even Sony does not have any details about when and if the Playstation Network will be back on-line. This is the time that on-line gamers need to have to say Bah Hum Bug! Could 10 update: Sony mentioned the Playstation Network would be back up last week, nowadays they say it will be a handful of a lot more days.
Nintendo set a base for motion controllers, but Sony has taken it to an additional level. This new controller is employed in conjunction with the eye camera, this is their webcam which until now has been employed for video chats and stuff like that. The Eye tracks the movement of the controller to make it a lot more precise as opposed to playing without having the camera. You Hailed For a Cab? Open up Combat Arena and set up the game as such: Well being: Limitless. PS Pros give a expert, responsive and personal service, and offer a direct point of contact by assigning a committed member of their team to you and all your demands. You play three rounds of connect four and then you have a winner. They are also likely operating on troubles they received in their technique from the Anonymous group of hackers who deny having anything to do with this predicament. Which sounds good sufficient, but there are some troubles with this freedom-loving outlook.
Circular leading, rounded grip, employed in the course of sweaty instances; Verify, verify, and double verify. The most prominent advantage of Netflix is that you do not need to have to go out to a rental retailer to get a movie of your choice, and can just watch it anytime via Netflix. Help gamers far better themselves The Nintendo isn't wonderful just simply because it has motion controlled gaming (which Sony is trying to steal), the Wii is sharing a massive portion of the gaming world simply because they are assisting gamers far better themselves. Due to the elimination of the "Emotion Engine", the level of compatibility was decreased. You can even switch functions from a single button to an additional and instantly switch game configurations. The new hybrid Smartphone will also have a four-inch 854 by 480 pixel multitouch screen.
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IT had been a festive season of gluttony in Tec Towers and it was all too much for the Moll's waistline.
Cutie knew she had piled on the pounds - she wasn't slipping into these slinky numbers quite so easily.
But it was lunchtime and that pained expression said only one thing: Grub was urgently required.
Moll was struggling to squeeze into her casual finest, muttering about too much turkey, potatoes and stuffing.
"Aw Tec," she pleaded. "How about some posh nosh."
That way, she figured, she'd be confronted with a fat-friendly menu, as she so delicately put it. Sweetums is nothing if not transparent.
At the mention of posh I felt a hole burning in my wallet.
And with Christmas just past there weren't too many greenbacks to splash on scran.
But one rather swish joint had been on my radar for a while - and I was hoping it wouldn't break the bank.
So I revved up the Buick while she got her gladrags on and put the final touches to her lippy. Then we were heading to the South Side and into Bellahouston Park.
Believe me, I was getting a serious stare from the passenger seat. "A park, are you mad?"
But to say toodles was gobsmacked when she caught sight of House for an Art Lover would be an understatement.
"Wow Tec, this is awesome," she enthused, her jaw just about hitting the deck.
The house is impressive, built to a Charles Rennie Mackintosh design, it had a distinct "ladies who lunch" look to it.
And after 15 minutes of "did I dress up properly" and "do you think I'll fit in", we were shown to seats in the Art Lovers Café.
I had scored big time here and I knew it. The atmosphere was not at all posh, it was relaxed and family friendly.
But the surroundings and the décor raised it a touch above the norm. Quite simply this was a classy joint, from the smart and efficient service to the eye-catching paintings on the wall.
Moll's peepers were fixed firmly on the menu while I perused the drink offerings.
"Oh no," she hissed. "No more vino collapso for you."
So we resolved – for once – to make it an alcohol-free meal.
Moll opted for an iced tea, which was beautifully presented, while I had a glass of water. This felt like purgatory.
But the food more than made up for it. I was eyeing up the goats' cheese, potato and vegetable cake with apple and hazelnut salad as a starter.
Moll, whose culinary eccentricity knows no bounds, decided she would have a portion of French fries. Not chips, mind you, French fries.
We chose well, the goats' cheese cake was delicious. Top marks for presentation.
I even snaffled a few of the Moll's fries. She was so happy with this place she had become generous.
Toots decided to go fishy for her main course. The pan-fried red mullet, with sunblushed tomatoes, mussels and leeks in shellfish cream sauce had taken her fancy.
I was tempted by a trio of pork, ham haugh and butter bean casserole with roast potatoes. At £10.75 and £9.95 respectively this was great value - and excellent grub.
We were both full but decided to share a banana sponge with rum custard and peanut butter ice-cream for dessert.
"That feed was superb," said the Moll, "You did well Tec."
I felt a glow of pride.
Even better, the wallet hadn't taken too much of a battering: £35.60 the lot for a classy all-round foody experience.
And Moll wanted to go back some day. Now that's a result.
Warm goats cheese, potato and vegetable cake, caramelised apple and hazelnut salad £4.95
French fries, mayonnaise dip £2.25
Pork, ham haugh and butter bean casserole with roast potatoes £9.95
Pan-fried red mullet, torte of sunblushed tomatoes, ragout of mussels and leeks in shellfish cream sauce £10.75
Warm banana sponge pudding with rum custard and peanut butter ice-cream £5.75
Iced tea. £1.95
Glass of water free