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Mazdaspeed3 vs. VW V GTI vs. Civic Si
Sylvia Posts: 1,636let's knock off the personal blows.
Posts with personal knocks on each other will be deleted. They derail the discussion.
I have been to 3 different Mazda dealers - Mazda corporate is the problem.
Has any MAZDA3 owner with a defective AC system had their problem fixed? I have seen a few posts that claim the diffusser helped some cars - but what about the owners who had the diffusser installed and still have a problem - maybe they just have bad dealers.
What about the hard shifting tranny problem - anyone had that solved?
I started to look for a replacement for my lemon Mazda3 - which is a real shame - the car has so many good things - but the company just will not stand behind their product. I even considered trading the 2004 (manufactured 10/2003) in on a 2005 - because I don't see very many cars (under $30K) that I really want.
mdaffron Posts: 4,421Now I understand why you've had problems. With that build date, you probably got the first or second Mazda3 that rolled off the line!!!
Not that that should be a concern, I know, I know. But good grief, talk about asking for trouble!
Listen, man. My 2005 Mazda3s wagon has a build date of 2/25/05. My car has been rock-solid and the a/c is just fine. I have 1,600 miles on the car (took delivery April 7) and I used the a/c yesterday and the day before when it hit 90 here in Richmond. My "well-insulated" body (6-1, 280 lbs.) stayed comfortable even in a long-sleeved shirt and tie.
Since your dealer obviously knows what you've been going through, they may be more than willing -- for their sanity as well as yours -- to give you one heck of a trade toward a new Mazda3. Try it and see what they'll do.
"live fast, die young make a pretty corpse"
Growing old is overrated
dying young is demonstated
by those who live life inflated
with fearless and fast behavior...
Sounds like you got a bad apple bro. Thats a bummer because my Mz3 is fine. I run the piss out of it and the car loves it. My AC works fine, both last summer (new) and this summer. My gearbox is smooth as glass as well.
Didn't you test drive it before you bought it? How does a gearbox all of a sudden start 'hard shifting'? Is it an auto or one of those in-between auto/manuals (which I wouldnt trust no matter who builds it). Give me the straight up manual gearbox and I'm happy.
No auto manufacturer is perfect (especially VW :sick: ). Thats the bare bones truth.
Incidentally, I parked next to a Mazda 3 today. At the same time I saw a Mazda 6 wagon. The Mazda 6 is what the 3 should have been. The Mazda 6 is sharp. So is the Mazda 5.
Looks like the designers at Mazda made the 3 its neglected red-haired stepchild - the 3's bulbous, Jabba-the-Hut type body has Ringling Brothers written all over it. I was waiting for the clowns to come out of the car. With its bulging hoodline, if the 3 were a pro athlete, it would be banned from the league for steroids.
At least the 6 and the 5 exhibit the smooth, flowing, European automobile-like shape. The designers beat the 3 with the ugly stick. If my old military unit saw the 3 driving out on the road, our A-10 aircraft tank killer (equipped with a 30mm gatling gun with armor-piercing shells) would use the 3 for target practice.
The 3 may go fast or handle great, but that's because the car is so homely that it has to run away from its own looks.
Other than that, the 3 is a decent ride.
But remember, clown car or not - The GTI is the originator, the definition of the hot hatch (as much as people are in denial) - the facts are there. And according to most auto magazines and automotive experts around the world - The GTI still defines the hot hatch - Ford 3/Mazda Focus or not.
No matter how reliable the 3 is, it will always play second-fiddle to the GTI in the hearts and minds around the world... Like it or not...
So if I would have waited until 2006 to buy a Mazda3 - and got one that had all kinds of problems would anyone say - gee you should have waited until the 4th model year! If anyone thinks that because I bought a new model that this somehow makes all of these problems my fault - or I should have known better - I just don't agree. I have purchased new (first year) models many times - all had a few bugs - but all were fixed under warranty without any complaint.
Although I do understand that buying a new model as a certain risk (maybe an extra trip or 2 to the dealer) - the company selling the car should still stand behind the vehicle. To just accept NO SERVICE - NO WARRANTY because this is a new model is (IMO anyway) pure BS
I test drove the car 3 times before buying it.
The tranny (automatic) started shifting harsh (1-2 gear) 3 months or so after I bought it. At first it was a few times each morning - like it was cold and after a mile or so it would be so smooth you could not even tell it was changing gears. So I did not see it as that big of a deal. But now it is obviously harsh - like a clunk about 1/2 the time - always in the morning - but also after the car has warmed up. I also get a very large CLUNK every few days -
I called Mazda customer service and ask them if they have a TSB on this problem - they told me that they can not give any information to customers about TSB's. Which seems strange because they gave me a TSB on both the AC diffusser and also on the grinding rear brake defect. I was given a case number - that a service tech can use when the call the tech support line.
"Incidentally, I parked next to a Mazda 3 today. At the same time I saw a Mazda 6 wagon. The Mazda 6 is what the 3 should have been."
Now that would defeat the purpose of the 3 now wouldn't it. The 3 is a compact. The 6 wagon is a wagon. Besides its the best selling Mazda globally. It must be the hottest red headed step child ever. Enough said about that.
Is the GTI really that good looking. Im not a fan. The front end is too boy racer for me and the back end looks bloated (funny you claimed that about the Mazda3). The car has narey a line to it either. Look at the side profile. You could play pool on the side of the car its so flat. You claim the Mazda3 is ugly. Thats ok. You are the first person I have heard that from. I can live with one person out of a hundred thinking my car is ugly.
Lastly, I will give you that the GTI did define the segment. Define being past tense. In Europe, where this segment actually gets some love and attention, the GTI plays second fiddle to the Focus and Astra. While the Focus here now sucks, Id still take a Mazda3 or a Mini as my pick for the best hatch in America. The current GTI looks like a box on wheels. Beyond that, its hardly a handler. Thats kind of a deal killer for the segment. Perhaps the next GTI will give more credit to the GTI, but its all just a matter of time till the Mazdaspeed3 makes it a mute point. The 3 already handles as good or better than the GTI. The Mazdaspeed3 will surely handle better than that. Tack on 50hp or so more than the GTI and this is really not much of a comparison.
Mazda in its own right is a good manufacturer. It's association with one of the Big Three, however is what is a turn off to me - especially given the Big Three's management philosophy of buying a company and trying to apply their own badge-engineering principles to it. Look at what GM has done to Saab, for example....
The Mazdaspeed 3 better find a way to tune the engine so its peak torque comes on as broad as the GTIs (1750 to 5000 rpm), otherwise all that extra horsepower won't give it much of an extra advantage.
Based on the articles written around the world - the GTI not only gives credit to the original GTI, it also re-defines the hot hatch segment (their words, not mine)..
Instead of having a car that aspires to be like the GTI - I'd rather have the original.
Biggus, while I'm a big fan of the Mazda3, I gotta say on paper the upcoming GTI (already out in europe), seems to obliterate Mazda's cute little hatch. Engine wise, well there's no comparing the roughness of the 2.3 to Audi/VW's superb FSI 2.0. That engine is officially rated at 200 hp, but if you check dynos people are running with it you'll see they're getting 195 at the wheels! Which means the engine is really pulling about 220. BMW under rates their engines too.
Beyond that Mazda has made strides in the interior. The Mazda3's interior is leaps better than the cruddy Protege interior but still it's filled with hard plastics, cheap leather (or worse, cloth) and lots of questionable bits. Nice for the level of car. Until one gets into a VW, then it's apparent Mazda (and everybody else) have much work to do to match those superb interiors.
I can't comment on the handling (haven't driven the unreleased gti yet) but from past experience, Mazda's handle better than MkIV Jetta/Golfs. On the flip side, a Mazda at 80 mph drones and becomes tiresome while the MkIV could quietly cruise all day at hyper-legal levels. Supposedly the new GTI's handling is massively improved, while the car still has a closed up, comfortable feel. We'll see.
One last thing, DSG. Having driven an Audi with DSG I admit I'm in love with that tranny. Best manual I've ever touched. Wow. Mazda's manuals are quick and fun. The DSG feels like heaven though. instant upshifts and downshifts. Just fantastic.
The Mazdaspeed6 hits peak torque, 280 ft/lbs, at 2000 rpm. It stays there till 6000 rmp. The two vehicles will use the same basic engine with the same basic setup. Granted the Mazdaspeed3 will be detuned, but Im sure the torque band will be comparable. Correct me if im wrong, but the new GTI makes 220 ft/lbs at peak. If all the reports are true, the Mazda3 will be making 255 hp (vs. 276 in the 6). This means that peak torque should be 240-260 at least. I'll take the 30 extra foot pounds and wider band even if it comes 250 rpm later than the GTI. But hey...this is all just speculative.
On the subject of badge engineering, Saab and Mazda are two different beasts. In fact, Ford and GM are two different beasts. Granted, GM badge engineers almost everything and its been that way for years (Cavalier/Sunfire Yukon/Escalade ...). In Mazda's case, look at the Focus and Mazda3. They share engineering resources, but are two different beasts. The Mazda is aimed at performance while the Focus is aimed at a more general population. The MZR 2.3L engine block is common to both cars, yet they are tuned quite differently. Furthermore, look at Volvo. It still has its own personality. It still has its own agendas (read safety). What it did allow is for the Ford conglomerate to design an excellent frame common to the Focus, Mazda3, and S40 while cutting development costs. Granted there are exceptions to this such as the Taurus and Sable, but those are only fleet cars no one cares about anyway. For more info, look for an interview of Hisakazu Imaki, Mazda's CEO (I dont believe that I can post the location due to it coming from a competing site to edmunds)
As stated in earlier posts, I have no real performance beef against the 2006 GTI. I just think that the current GTI is a dog and the 2006 will be soon eclipsed. In Europe by the Astra and here by the Mazdaspeed3. Just because the GTI was the first car to define the segment, does not mean that every hot hatch wants to be like the GTI. Its like saying that every rock and roll singer aspires to be like Elvis. Concepts change over time even if they still fall under the same genre. There is no way you can say that the previous generation GTI was the hottest hatch in the segment. Not in competition with the SVT Focus, Mini, or even the Mazda3. Not one of those cars aspired to be a GTI. None of those cars aspired to have vanilla styling, so/so handling, and lousy reliability. They probably inspired to do better than the GTI and in each case suceeded. Again this does not imply that they want to be a GTI.
"Biggus, while I'm a big fan of the Mazda3, I gotta say on paper the upcoming GTI (already out in europe), seems to obliterate Mazda's cute little hatch. Engine wise, well there's no comparing the roughness of the 2.3 to Audi/VW's superb FSI 2.0. That engine is officially rated at 200 hp, but if you check dynos people are running with it you'll see they're getting 195 at the wheels! Which means the engine is really pulling about 220. BMW under rates their engines too."
Thats why the comparison is for the GTI vs the Mazdaspeed3
Kudos on the interior though. Ive admitted in the past Im a fan of VW interiors.
I really have few complaints about my Mazda3 at highway speeds. I regularly ride in a 2003 Cadillac STS and 2002 Audi A4 (Parents cars). I really cant tell much difference.
Cant say anything about the DSG. Ive heard its good. Until then, the shifter on the 3 is the best I have ever used. Besides, I like to row my own gears. Thats half the fun.
"...does not mean that every hot hatch wants to be like the GTI."
Actually, almost everyone wants to be like the Focus. Even BMW's new 5-link rear suspension is suppose to be applying the similar trick as Focus's original 4-link Control Blades designed in the '90's. BMW, in fact, almost bought the Focus I's platform back then.
The Mazda3 is really a Japanese-ized Focus II. Just like the '99 N.A. Escort (& even the early Kia Sephia) is derived from the '90 Protege.
VW had to hire the original Focus engineers to design the Control Blades for the new Passat/A3/Golf/Jetta/Toledo, etc.
So when the lemon N.A.-built Focus I became superbly reliable lately wearing Mazda-developed engines (per CR's trouble-spot chart for the '03/04 models), I grabbed an ST. While I complain about my ST's ride w/ SVT shocks & sway bars being a little too tight & the pure-hydraulic steering still being tuned a little too light, the Mazda3 is suppose to be even worse. & VW's pure-electric steering might be even worse than Mazda3's electro-hydraulic. What the Golf/Jetta really excels is the quietness & the ride comfort of the longer-spring non-GTI models. Mazda3's high dose of oversteer might not be much of a winner when comes to slippery unfamiliar twisty roads.
Some one mentioned earlier about newer cars being "girlie". That's exactly how I feel about the Mazda3 & the recent VW's when comparing to my pure-hydraulic-steering '90 Protege & manual-steering Mk1 Jetta. No wonder BMW backed off from electric steering after the Z4 experimentation.
As far as the looks of... The Mazda3 hatch looks like an SUV, so it's not a good-looking "car". The Golf still looks pretty boring. The '78 Scirocco Champagne Edition II still looks the best. :P
Thats why the comparison is for the GTI vs the Mazdaspeed3
My bad, lots of subscriptions. Still baffled why the press release had the mazdaspeed3 so slow on 0-60 runs. ??? Strange with all that power you'd assume the car would be more spritely. And going off the idea of FWD, we can't blame weight gain like the AWD setup on the Mazdaspeed6 (a car that is a major let down for me).
Kudos on the interior though. Ive admitted in the past Im a fan of VW interiors.
Mazda did a great job if you compare the 3 to the Pro. They're definitely way more upmarket now.
I really have few complaints about my Mazda3 at highway speeds. I regularly ride in a 2003 Cadillac STS and 2002 Audi A4 (Parents cars). I really cant tell much difference.
I'm sure I could as my friend's Mazda3 is fun but at 85-90 it's making quite a racket on the freeway.
Cant say anything about the DSG. Ive heard its good. Until then, the shifter on the 3 is the best I have ever used. Besides, I like to row my own gears. Thats half the fun.
And with a dsg you row your own gears too. Why do people think you don't? Yes there's an option for D/S but the paddle shifters and the manual mode are the real attraction of the tranny. The DSG GTI is 0.3 seconds faster to 60 than the manual GTI. That's precisely because the manual mode and dual clutches of the DSG allow you to shift faster than any human can slap from first to second. Clutch in, move lever, clutch out v. click, millisecond shift.
Go drive an A3 DSG. You'll probably be amazed at how that tranny's so fast and yet liquid smooth. I'm rarely blown away by technology. That thing amazed me.
I've heard Beemer's robotic box can do that if hold both levers in or something like that.
I love the style of those early Giugiaro-designed Sciroccos - I had a 1975 (replaced the troublesome Zenith carburetor with a 2-bbl Weber downdraft and swapped the ignition points with an electronic ignition module) - and I loved driving it (even drove cross-country three times with it - especially through a December snowstorm in Utah) - until a tractor-trailer decided to occupy the same lane I was driving in...
VWVortex has an early Scirocco as one of their featured cars. A modified VW 16v engine (from a 16v Scirocco) was retrofitted in that 1800 lb body. The car absolutely shreds!!! :shades: :shades: :shades:
As far as the road noise, you may be right. Living in downtown Minneapolis doesnt allow me to drive my car much past 70. There may be lots of road noise as those speeds, but when you are doing 90, do you really care?
As far as the DSG goes, It just doesnt sound appealing to me. I enjoy using a clutch. I enjoy running through the gears, double-clutching, and having an excuse not to have other people drive my car. DSG may be faster than I will ever be, but I just dont see the excitement in hitting a paddle or blipping a stick straight up or down. Its undoubtably a great innovation, just not my cup of tea.
"Mazda3's high dose of oversteer might not be much of a winner when comes to slippery unfamiliar twisty roads."
I have never heard anyone complain about oversteer in a FWD car. After all, oversteer requires the rear wheels to get loose, generally from trying to drive them when they are being pushed to their limits. Did you mean understeer?
There may be lots of road noise as those speeds, but when you are doing 90, do you really care?
Yes I do. 90 on the freeway is pretty normal for me,so it does matter. On road trips it definitely matters. i've had my 330i well over 100 for extended drives and the car was still quiet and smooth.
I have never heard anyone complain about oversteer in a FWD car. After all, oversteer requires the rear wheels to get loose, generally from trying to drive them when they are being pushed to their limits. Did you mean understeer?,/I>
he probably does mean understeer. Regardless, with my Protege it is pretty easy to induce oversteer and with my old modded Jetta this was also true. Sure makes the cars more fun.
When I test drove the '90 Protege & almost spun out during trail-throttle cornering at about 35 mph, I bought the car anyway thinking I could compensate by adding more air in the back -- how ignorant of me! This early-version TTL (Twin Trapezoid Links) rear suspension is a faulty design. Even C&D had a "heart in the mouth" moment on the FWY ramps. TTL, at least the earlier one, is primitive & changes the camber too much. So even w/ the built-in toe-in movement, it still can't hold the road & will end up in the point of no return. Even the less aggressive set up in the Escort still requires, according to C&D, throttle rather than counter steer in order to correct the oversteer. In this case, It can get you into trouble. Because some slow poke blocked me on a FWY ramp before, & I couldn't use the gas to counter my Protege's oversteer.
The 4-link Control Blades, which is originally from the Focus, is much better than the TTL when comes to providing smooth & predictable oversteer. My Focus ST can oversteer (actually 4-wheel drift) only if you provoke it, so it's very tossable in just about any situation. Oversteer happens much more often in the Mazda3, whether you're beating a left-turn yellow light or simply twisting the steering wheel doing abrupt lane change on the FWY. I had fun fine-tuning the 3S's oversteer/neutral/understeer balance by fluctuating the throttle when beating a yellow light making a left turn, & that 3S had 205/55-16 (My ST has 205/50-16). But, still, I can imagine how I can't react in time in the Mazda3 if the road is slippery -- this car needs the DSC option in certain situations.
I like oversteer. Makes the car fun.
"But, still, I can imagine how I can't react in time in the Mazda3 if the road is slippery -- this car needs the DSC option in certain situations."
Maybe Im wrong, but I cant think of a single economy car with stability control. It defeats the purpose of economy car. Besides, most stability control systems, less the really nice expensive ones from the likes of Porsche and who not, are intrusive and would damage the sporting character of the car. That and there are quite a few people around here who enjoy sliding the rear end out a little. Is there any Mazda with DSC?
They all do, just not here except the sporty RX-8. I like the ride/handling of the base-suspension RX-8 automatic, but the DSC only comes w/ sport suspension.
In case you don't know about the legendary non-intrusive DSC (or ESP, etc.) available in Europe for the Focus since the late '90's. Bruno, who posted in the Mazda3 discussion when the car first came out, tested a Mazda3 w/ DSC in France & agreed w/ me about the DSC's non-intrusiveness. The Focus engineers can afford to keep the setting non-intrusive because such rear-suspension design already provides rather predictable rear-end slide. Even if my Focus ST was available w/ DSC (Advance Trak that was discontinued since '04 in America), I'd turn it off 99% of the time. But it is that 1% when you really need it, as I also like to test the car's limit on slippery conditions. Once a car fishtails on slippery surface, it might keep continue. Because there's hardly any tire friction to stop the pendulum-like momentum. I love to drift the tail safely, that's why I'm looking forward to get the comfy-riding new RWD Miata by using the engine power, rather than the max cornering g-force, to TEMPORARILY slide the tail all the time even at 25 mph.
My only experience w/ such similar system as the Focus/Mazda3 DSC was on the new S40 driving around the cones in the rain. I pushed it at rather impossible speeds as the car drifts a little on each turn, & eventually drifted over the cones & got kicked out of the Volvo invitation test drive. But I was sold -- I love it when the road is slick, & can turn it off if I want to.
The Mazdaspeed6 hits peak torque, 280 ft/lbs, at 2000 rpm. It stays there till 6000 rmp. The two vehicles will use the same basic engine with the same basic setup. Granted the Mazdaspeed3 will be detuned, but Im sure the torque band will be comparable. Correct me if im wrong, but the new GTI makes 220 ft/lbs at peak.
Mazda claims the MZ6 makes those numbers. but so far reviews have shown the engine and the ultra-heavy car to be rather slow - high 6s for 0-60 runs. I'm looking forward to mz3 but it's hard to say one can believe mazda about hp given the miata and rx-8 fiascos.
The GTI makes 207 lb-ft. Officially. Of course, dyno runs on the GTI are showing the car is putting down 200 wheel hp, or 220 hp. So , like BMW, VW/audi is underrating engines. Promise a little and over deliver...makes more sense.
they got to justify the price of the VR6 models.
I thought that published HP & torque numbers were the respective amounts "at the drive wheel" - not like years ago when the published specs were "at the fly wheel (or was it called at the crank?)"
With cars produced in the 60's the published spec could be 390 HP (like my 69 Chevelle SS 396) but put it on the dyno and it was lucky to make 320 HP.
Nobody rates WHP. They all do at the source. Can't change that suddenly as your competitors won't do it too and suddenly people will see an even bigger discrepancy.
I could recall some change to how HP is measured "gross" VS "net" - so I did a search - this is what I found.
SAE Net Horspower
In 1972, American manufacturers phased in SAE net horsepower. This is the standard on which current American ratings are based. This rating is measured at the flywheel, on an engine dyno, but the engine is tested with all accessories installed, including a full exhaust system, all pumps, the alternator, the starter, and emissions controls.
SAE Gross Horsepower
This is the old process that American manufacturers used as a guide for rating their cars. It was in place until 1971. SAE gross also measures horsepower at the flywheel, but with no accessories to bog it down. This is the bare engine with nothing but the absolute essentials attached to it; little more than a carb, fuel pump, oil pump, and water pump.
The MZ6 may run a high 6, but it weighs 3600 pounds. Assuming that the Mazdaspeed3 doesn't get AWD, it should have a curb weight close to the regular 3s, which is down near 2900 pounds. Even if the horsepower is vastly over estimated, it should weigh about the same as the GTI but with more power over a comparable powerband.
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Here are the top tech news and stories of the day.
- 7 major energy trends to watch for in 2013, via DOE bigwig David Sandalow - David Sandalow is the acting US Under Secretary of Energy, and they are ""trying to replicate the rate of IT innovation for energy."" Their trends are as follows; grid resiliency and modernization, low cost natural gas, the dropping cost of solar, electric vehicles, high performance computing and big data, clean energy financing, and China. Via GigaOM, more here.
- Microsoft Considering A Linux Version Of Office In 2014 - Microsoft Office is one of the premier products the software giant produces. It is in almost every enterprise, and on every home and student machine. The switch to a subscription service has offered an easier path to profits for Microsoft, while giving users (some) updated flexibility. It appears that Microsoft may be looking into Linux as the next platform for Office (ostensibly by 2014). Via TechCrunch, more here.
- 23Mbps down, 44 up: A tech insider's view from the Super Bowl - The Super Bowl in the New Orleans came with a benefit - a Wi-Fi network that was prepared for 30K individual users at a time. When the lights went out in the Super Dome, many were left without mobile connectivity (and the cellular networks were hit hard too). One radio station had to use a landline to keep broadcasting the game through the blackout. Via Ars Technica, more here.
- Google Acquires Channel Intelligence For $125M To Boost Product Referrals And E-Commerce With Users
- Channel Intelligence enables companies to sell their products online. This company already has been working with Google, Target and Best Buy. "In addition to working with Google, CI also integrates with other platforms like Facebook's and provides widgets that companies can run alongside products covering services like giving options for sites to buy a particular product ("Where-to-Buy"), where to find a particular product ("Product Search Engines") and an e-commerce back end ("Shopping Engine")." Via TechCrunch, more here.
- Why Amazon wants its own currency - "Despite the failures of Facebook Credits, Microsoft Points, and the dot-com virtual currency Flooz, Amazon has decided to mint its own money." Amazon seems primed to roll out a currency for its in-app purchases. Apparently Amazon is doing this to try to create a cash infusion for their developers, by giving out free credits when they start the system. Via the Verge, more here.
- OUYA to be Sold Through Amazon, Target, Best Buy, and Gamestop in June for $100 - The Ouya console is Android based and could be a game changer for living room consoles. They have over 68,000 Kickstarter backers, and promotions and partnerships in place. Ouya claims 200 titles with some OUYA exclusive ones planned. Via Droid-Life, more here.
- Ouya plans to launch a new console every year - The current Ouya that is coming out in this spring will be already under-powered compared to other Android devices. To combat this, Ouya claims that they will be launching a yearly console. This will keep them in the limelight and if they maintain the same prices may keep them incredibly popular. Via Ars Technica, more here.
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ICYMI: Problems with in-laws (apartments, that is)
Robert Brandt sent this letter to the TAB, describing how the City required him to tear out a pre-existing in-law apartment before he could sell his house.
Did city inspectors overstep in this situation?
Dan S permalinkSeptember 23, 2013, 2:43 PM
From what I understand the code typically prohibits two ovens for single family houses. You can have two ovens in one kitchen, but two ovens in different parts of the house usually constitute two kitchens, and thus requires a two family. The informal use of the term "in-law" suite, usually means there is a kitchenette: counter with a sink and maybe a microwave and hotplate but not an oven.
You certainly can have a sink and/or dishwasher in the basement but both technically require a plumbing permit for installation. What would really get the inspector's attention would be a bed room in the basement without a proper egress and proper firewall and ventilation separating the bedroom from HVAC.
Also, discussions with inspectors are just that–talk. Regardless of any fees paid to the City, municipal employees are never considered to be offering legal or engineering advice. Typically their only bona fide actions is when they tell you "no" or hand you a fine.
Colleen Minaker permalinkSeptember 24, 2013, 9:04 AM
If the apartment was by law deemed an accessory unit then there are a number of regulations. Perhaps the room was built without a permit.
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GLYNDWR University says it has been granted a deadline extension to make a response over a suspension involving recruitment of overseas students.
Last month the Leader reported more than 200 international students whose visas were sponsored by Glyndwr entered the UK with phoney English language tests.
As a result, the university was told it could no longer enrol non-European Union international students after a UK Government crackdown on the falsified English qualifications.
Glyndwr had until yesterday to make representations to the Home Office with a view to getting its status reinstated but a statement released yesterday by the university management said: "Glyndwr is in dialogue with UK Visas and Immigration (UKVI) and has been given further time to make its response."
The Wrexham-based institution, which also has campuses in Northop in Flintshire, St Asaph and London, has had its Highly Trusted Sponsor status suspended after 230 students which it sponsored were identified as having invalid test results.
When including questionable results, that figure rises to 350.
The English tests were provided by the Educational Testing Services, which were exposed for systematic cheating by a BBC documentary and have since been removed from a list of approved providers of English tests needed to get into the country.
The suspect tests related to Glyndwr's Elephant and Castle campus in London which is run in partnership with the London School of Business and Finance.
About 35 per cent of current Glyndwr students are from non-EU countries, with 2,050 of the 3,040 total based at the London campus.
The university has 8,800 students enrolled in total.
For 2012-13, revenue brought into the university by international students totalled £9.46 million.
Responding to the latest development, North Wales AM and Welsh Liberal Democrat education spokesman Aled Roberts, former leader of Wrexham Council, told the Leader: "While welcoming the extension that has been granted to Glyndwr
University by UK Visas and Immigration, it is vital that this matter is resolved as soon as possible.
"We are very close to the start of the recruiting season for new students and the uncertainty that currently surrounds the university could threaten its future.
"All parties need to work together to make sure Glyndwr can continue to recruit students from overseas and thereby remove doubts that will discourage all potential students from applying."
A spokesman for the University and College Union said: "Any delay in the process by which might restore the university's visa licence will further damage Glyndwr's ability to recruit international students.
"This was an essential part of the vice-chancellor's financial recovery plan, which was flawed from the start and is now clearly hopeless."
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By Steve Persall
Times Film Critic
Insidious is a tidy terror flick, and refreshing with its intention to make viewers gasp rather than gag. Surprising, too, since director James Wan and screenwriter Leigh Whannell made torture porn popular with the Saw series.
Here they go old school with a Poltergeist plot of supernatural child abduction, scary seances, frenzied violins and only smudges of fake blood. All beaten paths lead to the Further, a netherworld staged like a Halloween Horror Nights exhibit. Insidious leans heavily on easy methods to make audiences jump. All that's missing is a cat leaping from a closet. But it has fun with the cliches — and that becomes contagious.
Former St. Petersburg resident Patrick Wilson and Rose Byrne play Josh and Renai Lambert, who haven't finished unpacking boxes in their new home before weird stuff begins. You know: doors creaking open on their own, visions of demons, strange voices on the baby monitor, all those extras the Realtor never mentioned. For a change, the Lamberts do the smart thing and move out.
New address, same problems, and by now oldest son Dalton (Ty Simpkins) has slipped into and out of an unexplainable coma. Then he just disappears. It's time to call in the ghost busters (Whannell, Angus Sampson) and a medium (Lin Shaye) who wears a super-sized gas mask while channeling voices from beyond, when she isn't filling us in on astral projection and the Further.
It's a misty, interesting place, with creepy children giggling, a hag cackling and an eerily restrained re-enactment of a deadly domestic disturbance having nothing to do with the plot. Tiny Tim's Tiptoe Through the Tulips hasn't sounded this chilling since it was first recorded. The peek-a-boo demon resembling Darth Maul is a nice touch. Insidious doesn't do anything different, but does it better than usual.
The actors are commended for keeping straight faces throughout, with Wilson and Shaye going beyond the call of authenticity. It isn't easy to wear that gas mask or feign a twitching trance without appearing foolish, but they don't. Wan and Whannell end their movie with one of those switcheroos portending a sequel, which is usually annoying, but like everything else in Insidious actually works.


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Mille Lacs County Sheriff Brent C. Lindgren is releasing information pursuant to Minnesota Statute 244.052 to the
community regarding a Level 3 predatory offender. This offender is not wanted by law enforcement and has served the sentence imposed on him by the court.
Joshua David Ross is moving into the city of Foreston on May 1. He has a history of sexual conduct and contact with victims (males and females, ages 4-10). Contact included penetration. The offender was known to the victim.
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Amoeba Hollywood hosts our guest DJ series, ROTATIONS, every Friday night!
Damon Palermo has been making adventurous house and disco music under the moniker Magic Touch since August 2011. In a short time the producer/DJ has amassed an impressive following and several well-received releases, kicking off with the critically-lauded 100% Silk release "I Can Feel The Heat," which was a recommended release of the week at Boomkat and made 20JazzFunkGreats Best of 2011 list. Following his heady debut, Palermo released a split 12" with close collaborator Ital and a collaborative EP with Japanese producer Sapphire Slows.
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When it comes to fashion and trends, celebrities are usually in the know. And it just so happens that tons of celebrities have been pictured with the Ringy Dingy.
Not only is this accessory cute, but it keeps you from having to hold your phone to your ear. Simply plug it into the headphone jack of your cell phone and you're good to go.
Fashionistas will delight in the bright color choices available. You could even get a few different colors to match different outfits! These would make great giveaway items at tradeshows, festivals and college events.
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Douglas Morrisson Theatre to Host 3rd Annual Playwrights CageMatch!, 7/13
The Douglas Morrisson Theatre in Hayward announces its Third Annual Playwrights CageMatch on Sunday, July 13, 2014: CAFETORIUM CHRONICLES: LOST & FOUND. Five playwrights will enter but only one will emerge victorious! Join us as playwrights far and wide square off.
The only requirements for aspiring contributors were that the scenes had to be 20 minutes or less, have no more than four characters, and be set in a high school cafetorium in Anywhere, USA. We particularly looked for creative and elegant back-stories that incorporated a cafetorium setting into the scene. The tone, theme or genre was up to the playwrights --- Class reunion? Bingo game? Polling place? PTA meeting? Bomb shelter? Inside the cafetorium anything can happen.
This year we've had entries from all over the U.S., and even one from abroad, and they are still coming in. Artistic Director Susan E. Evans, with some help from her team, will select the top five submissions, and each one will be allowed one rehearsal. The five scenes will be presented on July 13th at a live staged reading at the Hayward Area Senior Center right next door to the Douglas Morrisson Theatre, and the audience will decide the winner.
The deadline for CageMatch submissions sent via e-mail is June 1, 2014; post-mark deadline, if mailed, is May 30, 2014
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If you're concerned that your child may be more distractible, inattentive or hyperactive than the average child his or her age, then you'll want to listen to this episode. You will learn more about why this happens, what to do and not to do about it and what resources and supports are available to you and your child.
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With over 75 years expertise in personal care, Remington prides itself on innovation, technology and style. After launching the world's first electric shaver, they have since also become the leaders in electrical hair styling products, male grooming and female hair removal products - understanding the need for superior results every time. Remington is how the world gets ready.
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MANY local authorities do not have realistic plans in place to make cuts as austerity continues to bite, according to a Wales Audit Office (WAO) report.
The WAO said that while councils have been able to meet financial challenges so far, cracks are beginning to show.
A new report published today by the Auditor General for Wales, Huw Vaughan Thomas, says many authorities don't have robust arrangements in place to deliver so-called "efficiency savings".
He said: "Local government in Wales now faces sharp reductions in funding. That is coupled with pressures from a growing, and ageing, population – with rising demands in areas such as social services, education and waste.
"All of this spells trouble for local authorities if they do not have robust, longer-term, strategies in place which are linked to medium term financial plans. Too many councils are falling short and running out of time."
According to the report many councils in Wales do not have clear and realistic plans to deliver efficiency savings, and aren't basing their plans on sound and appropriate financial information.
To date, councils have been able to meet their financial challenges and deliver their overall plan, the report says.
But more robust arrangements will be necessary as financial pressures increase.
The report cited Monmouthshire as being an example of good or promising practice, saying it has a good understanding of the cost pressures it faces and has good systems in place to frequently assess and review its financial performance.
Auditors say many councils don't work well with others and don't asses the potential impact of proposed savings or changes to services.
The report made six recommendations for improvement, including calling for councils to develop clear strategies, link plans to longer-term financial goals and explore more opportunities to work with other public services.


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When you are looking for woodworking services from real craftsmen, you are looking for MJB Woodworking LLC, based in Englewood, Florida. Bench-quality workmanship is our specialty, and our custom carpentry and installation services cover a wide range of projects.
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Despite the progress that has been achieved using modern methods of therapy, cancer currently remains one of the greatest problems within medicine. In developed countries approximately one in three people suffer from, and one in five die of, malignant disease. The Czech Republic has one of the highest death rates from cancer in the world (within the top ten).
Radiotherapy is one of the most economical methods of treatment for malignant diseases with a relatively high rate of effectiveness. In developed countries radiotherapy is currently used in 50 – 60% of patients with malignant tumors and its contribution to complex therapy continues to increase. From this number, one third of patients are treated exclusively with radiotherapy and almost two thirds of patients are treated with radiotherapy in combination with surgery, chemotherapy, hormonal therapy or biological targeted therapy.
Proton therapy is a highly precise method of radiotherapy, mainly due to the physical properties of
protons themselves, as well as to the specific way proton doses are distributed within tissues. The
utilisation of this method results in high local control over tumors, a lower probability of damage to
surrounding healthy tissues, a low risk of complications and a higher chance of rapid recovery following
|Advantages of proton therapy
During conventional radiation, a beam of photons
transfers the greatest dose of radiation to the front of the tumor, after which the radiation penetrates the tumor and healthy tissues of the patient behind the tumor. In contrast, a proton beam transfers a minimal dose of radiation to the front of the tumor, a maximal dose to the tumor area itself and no dose behind the tumor. Therefore, proton therapy is safer for healthy tissue surrounding the tumor.
The treatment is suitable for all patients regardless of age, mainly depending on diagnosis. There are great results being achieved in the treatment of tumors in children, where the use of conventional photon radiation or chemotherapy is associated with a high risk of side effects and complications.


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Carrollton Pest Control and Rodent Control
We'd love to welcome you to Pest Control Carrollton. Our Carrollton exterminators are among the most highly trained pest and rodent control technicians in Carrollton, Texas and the Fort Worth area. Just ask your friends which pest control company in Carrollton they recommend and there is a great chance they'll say us!
Of course there isn't a single person who likes it when pests or rodents invade their home. It seems that, no matter how clean and protected you keep your house, the pests will always find a way into your home. The sad news is: At some point, we all have a deal with rats in the attic or garage or spiders our house. Fortunately, we're here to help when these problems arise.
We have Carrollton pest control specialists who take their craft very seriously. Our pest technicians attend industry conferences and stay up to date on the latest methods for treating pests in your home. Best Carrollton Pest Control only uses the latest technology when it comes to protecting your family and pets. Not only can we deal with pest issues as they arise, but we can prevent you from ever having to dealing with them. Ask us about our quarterly pest options where you pay a flat yearly fee and we protect your home for the entire year.
We also have expert commercial Carrollton pest control technicians on staff. Our commercial experts and Carrollton exterminators will solve your pest or rodent problem without disturbing the functioning of your business. Our experts use the latest in commercial pest control technology to keep your employees and customers safe. We will be sure that any disturbances or downtime is minimized so that your business doesn't suffer. Whether you have fruit flies in the break room or rats in the storage area, we're here to help.
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Is it possible to develop more pronounced tear troughs/sunken eye appearance/loss of facial fat following revision rhinoplasty (in my case the second revision attempt i.e 3rd surgery)? I have noticed a marked difference that I do not think is attributable to aging (26 at age of surgery, problem developed and his persisted since then), particularly because ALL of the men and women in my family age very well. What is the best way to address this issue (I'm now 27)? Thanks in advance for your time!
Developing Tear Troughs and/or Sunken Eye Appearance After Revision Rhinoplasty?
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I have seen this before.
I have been seeing this in before and after pictures. My feeling is that the lower an osteotomy is created, the more likely one will see this problem in the postoperative setting. I would think that an injectible can be used to camouflage the tear trough after at least six months have gone by.
Good luck,
Dr. Shah
Tear trough & sunken eye
This is not a common consequence of nasal surgery - you should discuss this with your surgeon and possibly get a CT scan to make sure that your sinuses have not been affected by the surgery. Rarely, if the maxillary sinus is blocked it can shrink the face
Learn more: http://www.seattlerhinoplasty.com/html/index.php
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Analysis of Tools of Study of Innovation Development of a Company
Application of quality tools of the study of innovation development of a company allows formation of a number of methods and methodical recommendations with respect to formation of strategies of innovation development and increase effectiveness of operation of production companies. Analysis of the tools allowed specification of two categories of models and methods: traditional and special economic and mathematical ones. When specifying traditional economic and mathematical models, we conducted a comparative analysis of their advantages and disadvantages. Assessment of special approaches to the study of innovation development of companies allowed specification of two types of approaches: approaches to formation of environment of factors of innovation development and approaches to assessment of innovation development. The study of the analysed approaches revealed their weak points and showed a necessity of creation of a conceptual scheme of innovation development, which consists of methods and methodical recommendations on formation of the strategy of innovation development.
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PHILADELPHIA Dave Baseggio was a standout defenseman for Yale in the late '80s. After a lengthy career in the minors, he became an assistant coach with the Bridgeport Sound Tigers, the AHL affiliate of the New York Islanders. When head coach Greg Cronin left to take the job at Northeastern, Baseggio was promoted to the top spot.
After last week's surprise firing of 28-year Yale head coach Tim Taylor, speculation began about his successor. Baseggio would be a prime candidate if he wanted the job.
CHN: Well, you're the man to talk to right because of the news on your old coach Tim Taylor.
Baseggio: I was actually very, very surprised and disappointed. Coach Taylor is not only my coach and one of my mentors, but he's also a friend of mine. We've been in touch over the last bunch of years, had a lot of nice talks, breakfasts, lunches, and he's been a tremendous resource for me. I feel real bad for him because obviously it's not what he planned out, not what he wanted, and I'm disappointed, saddened, shocked ... a lot of those emotions.
CHN: What was he like to play for? Everyone knows him as this soft-spoken gentlemanly figure, but deep beneath, he seemed to have a clear burning desire to win.
Baseggio: I don't remember too much in detail, but I do remember his passion for the game and how he tried to relay that to the players. I do remember great practices with Timmy — his attention to detail was phenomenal, and he cared about each and every one of his players. Not just in hockey circles but in the circles of life. That's what made him a great man and great coach, and you wanted to play for him. That's one of the reasons I went to Yale, to play for Tim Taylor. His hockey achievements go without saying — Olympic coach, USA Hockey, college coach of the year. The Xs and Os are always there, but it's the way he carries himself, the class, the dignity, the passion for the game, which really attracts people to him.
CHN: Wins and losses, I'm sure the athletic department looks at. Do they have any argument to say, this was the time?
Baseggio: I don't know the entire story, I'm speaking from the outside looking in. So that's between the athletic department and Timmy. Obviously it wasn't a clean break by any means, so that's disappointing to me that there couldn't have been something better as far as, Timmy's been there for 28 years and if they're not happy with things lately, I would think there would've been a better way to go about this than what I'm hearing. But that's between Timmy and the athletic department. My thoughts are with Tim and his family, and that's where it lays.
CHN: You haven't talked to him since?
Baseggio: I called him when I found out. He returned my call when I was out of (cell) zone yesterday. So we haven't spoken, but we had a couple of long voice mails that we both sent.
CHN: You wonder how these things come about. Sometimes it's alumni putting pressure on the administration. But this wasn't the case here?
Baseggio: I don't know the entire story of what went down yet, so I don't want to comment until I do. But obviously it wasn't a clean break. He was there 28 years and he put Yale hockey on the map. It's difficult to see this.
CHN: Obviously, as an alum, your name is being thrown around.
Baseggio: I don't even want to look anywhere else (right now). I'm focused on getting this team ready for the playoffs. In all honesty, that's all I'm thinking about. I don't want to think about going coaching anywhere else, I don't want to think about anything like that. I'm under contract with the Islanders to coach Bridgeport and that's my No. 1 priority and will remain my No. 1 priority. I don't even want to go that avenue right now.
CHN: In terms of your career, have you had long-term goals?
Baseggio: Obviously, I want to coach at the highest level. That's what I'm striving for. This is my first year as a head coach, and this has been one of the most rewarding years personally for me in terms of what I've learned, not only in the business but about myself. I'm extremely happy about the people I work with here, and people I work for, and the players. I'm thrilled of the year we're having, and I'm proud of the year we've had and I'm very happy here.
CHN: Greg Cronin did it. Ted Donato. And that's why people are going to look at you.
Baseggio: Well, yeah, I'm an alum and I'm coaching, so, right there it puts a target on me. But nothing's come about on my end, and quite honestly I'm happy about that.
CHN: You played a lot of good years in the AHL and IHL and never played an NHL game. Do you ever dwell on that?
Baseggio: I don't regret it. I look back and I wasn't good enough to play. I can live with that. I was a pretty good player, I had some good times, met some great people, and got to play hockey for a living. It's the best job, and I think coaching is the second-best job and so I don't have any regrets. I actually feel fortunate that I've been able to play a kid's game and get paid for it, and now coach a kid's game and get paid for it. Obviously some times it's a business and it can get tougher, as in Timmy's case, but I feel privileged to be in pro hockey this long.


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Well, this past Sunday I had the pleasure of shooting my best-yet round of trap -- a 23. I am now ready to start getting serious about trap (even if that means racking the Mossy). What shotgun would ya'll recommend for me? I shoot singles, but would love doubles. Right now, I think I will narrow the field to autos, I've been soured on o/u (long story). The Benellis look great...and I hear good things -- opinions? Any others worth a look?
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I'm no trap maven, but I've seen lots of Remington 1100s out there. They seem to be mpre popular than the newer 11-87,and hold up well.
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...the 1100's price is right, that's for sure. Thanks Dave!!
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Look at the Beretta A390 trap. I have one with a ported 32" bbl and love it. A very soft shooter, and outstanding reliability.
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Went and looked at an AL390 last night. It just didn't feel very good. I am only 5'8", but I have long arms and broad shoulders. For some reason, this makes finding a well-fitted gun hard. That Beretta felt like trying to point a hollow log. So then I asked to see a Benelli and I was handed a Montefeltro. It was better by quite a bit. The whole gun came to my shoulder not only quicker, but more smoothly and hit the right spot almost every time. After that...a Franchi AL48 was given to me. I have never felt a gun feel like that!! Every time I brough tit up it hit me right. It felt fast, but not so too fast. It was a 12 ga, but felt like a 20 in weight and pointability. Only problems I have with it are these:
1) It was equipped with a low rib, I like a high rib. Any way I could have a higher one installed?
2) Only handles 2 3/4" loads. That is fine for trap, but if I ever take her hunting I am kinda screwed.
3) Has a long-recoil action. Somethign I have never heard of or know anything about. Can anyone tell me the advantages/disadvantages of it?
But the things I like about it are:
1) Light, really pointed well and met my shoulder in the right spot (high) quickly.
2) Had a bit different balance to it than the Benelli ot Beretta. It layed in my hands instead of being supported by them (best way i can describe it....).
3) The price...$550!
4) It's imported by Benelli, and is on Benelli's (www.franchiusa.com) website. This leads me to believe that they (Franchi) are a strong firm and make goodt shotguns.
5) Smooooth bolt and action!
6) Thin forearm, didn't feel 9 feet wide, really added to the comfort, pointability, and quick-feel.
So let me know what you think of Franchis in general...and the AL48 specifically. Thanks!!
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About 2 3/4 shells,if all the deer and geese I've taken with them were lined up, they'd reach the Bay from here. Don't turn this one down on that account.
I'm no engineer, but I think the long recoil action is the same principle the Browning A-5 is, and that one's noted for durability and ruggedness.
The only Franchi I shot, I liked,but that was a limited trial. Hope this helps...
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If the gun feels right, buy it. Franchis have a good reputation as field guns. The long recoil system and light weight will mean more felt recoil. Don't worry about not having 3" chambers, it doesn't matter in trap.
I personally would prefer a Remington 1100 for Trap if I were to go to an Auto.
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Environmental Factor, September 2011, National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences
Poster session marks high point for summer interns
By Melissa Kerr
September 2011
Kristen Leger from North Carolina State University said she looks forward to continuing the research into protein arginylation modification through an internship during the fall. (Photo courtesy of Steve McCaw)
William G. Enloe High School rising senior Diana Dayal, second from left, joined with her proud parents and her mentor, visiting fellow Ezequiel Marron, Ph.D., to her right, at Dayal's poster. (Photo courtesy of Steve McCaw)
Amanda Arulpragasam, left, explained her research to fellow intern Neena Davisson. (Photo courtesy of Steve McCaw)
The 2011 NIH Summer Internship Program(https://www.niehs.nih.gov/careers/research/summers/) at NIEHS marked the culmination of eight to twelve weeks of sustained effort in NIEHS labs with the annual poster session July 28 in Rodbell Auditorium. The event gave the 45 interns an opportunity to talk about their accomplishments within the Institute's labs over the summer program and showcase their abstracts and posters.
The auditorium was filled with students presenting their findings, postdoctoral fellows judging the posters, and NIEHS scientists interested in the interns' scientific discoveries. The noise level was high and the aisles crowded as the interns spoke about their work, their mentors, and the experiences the summer program provided them.
A summer of focused research and learning
At the beginning of the summer program, interns join a lab based on their individual interests and have the unique opportunity of truly being incorporated into a laboratory setting. During the summer, they work on a project from start to finish, designing and conducting experiments for their pilot studies, which have the potential of becoming part of peer-reviewed publications or presentations at scientific meetings.
During the poster session, the young scientists get valuable experience in thinking on their feet, as they articulate the contents of their posters and the research involved, as well as field questions and observations from senior scientists. The posters are judged by postdoctoral fellows on the quality of the science, the poster presentation, and the oral presentation.
Rahul Jaswaney, one of the winners in the undergraduate division, said he was grateful for the guidance he received. His experience in the lab of Robert Langenbach, Ph.D., has fed Jaswaney's interest in research. "Dr. [Darshini] Trivedi's emphasis on understanding the bigger picture of this project allowed me to keep each experiment in proper perspective," he explained. "I truly enjoyed working on this project."
Having the summer program participants in the labs is also a benefit to seasoned scientists, and the Langenbach lab was especially pleased with Jaswaney's work. "Rahul is a very bright, enthusiastic, affable young man, and indeed it has been a pleasure to have had him in our group," said Langenbach.
At an ice cream social later in the day, NIEHS Deputy Scientific Director Bill Schrader, Ph.D., presented awards for the best posters in three categories (see text box). Schrader opened the ceremony by saying, "It was a great morning of science." He also said he hoped that the students enjoyed being at NIEHS as much as NIEHS enjoyed having them here.
(Melissa Kerr studies chemistry at North Carolina Central University. She is currently an intern in the NIEHS Office of Communications and Public Liaison.)
Mount Olive College rising senior Kyle Ham, right, discussed his work on epigenetic regulation of histone H3. (Photo courtesy of Steve McCaw)
Undergraduate poster co-winner Jaswaney said of his project, "It felt like puzzle working and I found it extremely interesting." (Photo courtesy of Steve McCaw)
Graduate poster winner Dutton, left, accepted his award from Schrader. (Photo courtesy of Steve McCaw)
Fitzgerald, right, whose poster tied with Jaswaney's in the undergraduate category, explained his research to family members. (Photo courtesy of Steve McCaw)
Schrader encouraged the summer intern participants to continue their pursuit of the sciences. (Photo courtesy of Steve McCaw)
High School poster winner Somashekar, left, showed off the award she received from Schrader. (Photo courtesy of Steve McCaw)
Poster competition winners by category
- High school: Rising senior Greeshma Somashekar - North Carolina School of Science and Mathematics - Mentor Stavros, Garantziotis, M.D., Matrix Biology Group
Inter-alpha-trypsin inhibitor heavy chain 4 (ITIH4) is a serum protein found in the tissue of the lung. The concentration becomes elevated in patients with various types of cancer as well as acute lung injury, making this compound a potential biomarker for these diseases. The challenge for Somashekar was to investigate the functional effects of three ITIH4 domains with regard to cell activation and migration. She was able to create ITIH4 constructs in varying sizes. These constructs will allow further investigation into the functional effects of each of the ITIH4 domains on cell activation and migration.
- Undergraduate (tie): Rising junior Nicholas Fitzgerald - North Carolina State University - Mentor Ken Tomer, Ph.D., Mass Spectrometry Group
Fitzgerald studied how Anthrax lethal toxin impacted protein expression in macrophages and cardiomyocytes. He found that most of the proteins showed little change from Anthrax lethal toxin exposure. Of the observable changes in macrophages, the most significant change was an up-regulation of stress proteins. In the cardiomyocytes, there was a change in a protein that is a component in endocytosis.
- Undergraduate (tie): Rising sophomore Rahul Jaswaney - Washington University in St. Louis - Mentor Robert Langenbach, Ph.D., NIEHS Metabolism and Molecular Mechanisms Group
Jaswaney set out to further understand the affect of beta-arrestin 2 (betaArr2) on the occurrence of abdominal aortic aneurysms (AAA). BetaArr2 is a protein that has been known to dampen certain signaling, such as the angiotensin II receptor. These complexes initiate a signaling pathway known for its contribution to a variety of diseases, including AAA formation. He found that a deficiency of BetaArr2 resulted in a reduction in the occurrence of AAA.
- Graduate: Veterinary student Jack Dutton - North Carolina State University - Mentor Terry Blankenship-Paris, D.V.M., NIEHS Comparative Medicine Branch
Research models often use surgery performed on mice. Historically, surgery has involved multiple injections, which have the potential to cause additional stress and injury to the animal. Dutton's challenge was to develop a formulation of buprenorphine, a treatment for pain, that can be given at the time of surgery and also provide pain relief throughout the recovery period. He found that a gel solution would sustain buprenorphine for longer than the injectable form, maintaining acceptable levels throughout the post-surgery recovery period.
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After 33 seasons of football, 2009 will be the last year that the Giants and Jets will call Giants Stadium home before moving into new digs across the lot for the 2010 season. In a move that seems fitting, New Jersey's native son Bruce Springsteen will play the stadium's final concerts. Bruce & The E Street Band will setup shop for a three-night run to take place on September 30, October 2 and 3. Tickets for these shows go on-sale on June 1 at 10AM.
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BEIJING – Around 20 attorneys gathered Saturday in a central Chinese city to demand access to several activists detained ahead of the politically sensitive 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square military suppression of protesters.
Prominent rights lawyer Li Fangping said the attorneys staged an overnight protest starting Friday outside the Zhengzhou city police bureau after authorities denied their requests for weeks to see their clients.
"We feel that the entire system for defence lawyers is facing an enormous challenge," said Li, who was among those who protested.
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Among the activists detained in Zhengzhou is the well-known lawyer Chang Boyang, who has campaigned for the rights of migrant workers, HIV patients and children poisoned in a 2008 tainted milk scandal.
Discussions of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and its military suppression are taboo in China, and authorities tighten security ahead of the anniversary each year. But this year's suppression was harsher than in previous years, as police rounded up activists who had received only warnings in the past.
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Cher is keen to steer clear of "old fogie" men when it comes to dating.
The American singer has previously been married to fellow musician Sonny Bono and rock star Gregg Allman. She has also dated younger stars including Tom Cruise and Val Kilmer.
The star may be 67 but she still has a youthful outlook on life and wants someone with a similar mindset.
"I've only been with two older men, but no other older guy has ever asked me out. I don't know why – I think younger men are used to being around stronger women," she told British magazine Closer.
"Also the older men I've met were kind of boring and they didn't want to do the same things I did. I love a sense of humour and people who are spontaneous with a young spirit – I don't like being around old fogie types!"
Cher is currently single and happy in her situation. She doubts she will ever marry again, unless there is a momentous change in her life.
"I don't believe in going from one man to another. I wouldn't say no, but I can't imagine why I'd say yes. Something bizarre would have to happen," she laughed.
While she isn't keen to be a wife the raven-haired star would love to be a grandmother. She wishes her son Elijah – who she had with Greg – would settle down.
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