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"Remington Arms will be staying in the Mohawk Valley for the foreseeable future," wham1180.com reports. "Two days after sources say Remington Officials met with three State Senators and three Assembly, U.S. Congressman Richard Hanna announced that the Pentagon would be awarding Remington an $80 million contract. In the meeting, sources say, Remington told the State lawmakers that they were moving forward with a $20 million upgrade to their plant that employs 1,200 people. Hanna said that the contract calls for Remington to make more than 5,000 sniper rifles and millions of rounds over the next 10 years for the U.S. Special Operations Command." Spock! Analysis! Well Captain . . .
During the Sandy Hook spree killing, Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15. Bushmaster is part of the Freedom Group, a farrago of gun and ammo-related companies assembled by Cerberus Capital Management. Which also includes Remington.
After Newtown, the California State Teachers' Retirement System informed Cerberus that it was "reviewing" its $751.4m portfolio with the private investment firm— unless the fund dumped the Freedom Group. So Cerberus put the Freedom Group, including Remington, up for sale. No word yet on who or when but . . .
Cerberus is thinking short-term; it's pump and dump time. (The original strategy that didn't pan out.) Spending millions moving Remington out of New York is so not part of the plan. Sucking on the taxpayer tit is. In fact, one wonders what New York offered Remington in terms of incentives and tax abatements to keep the manufacturer in-state — despite the fact that the parent company makes evil assault rifles that can no longer be sold in New York.
Yes, there is that. Chances are firearms consumers, fed-up with the Empire State's hugely unconstitutional SAFE Act, will now boycot Remington products, if they haven't done so already. Not that it matters to Remington much. The clock is ticking for the great off-loading, they've got an $80m contract in the bank, their existing inventory has been completely depleted and Cerberus's other investments are doing well. Life is good. But this will catch up with them eventually.
157 Responses to Remington Staying In New York. Boycott to Follow?
I kinda think remmy quality has slipped anyway….this will help me even more to not buy their crappy products. FOAD remmy…..winchester here i come!
Remington isn't the problem. Voters voting for Democrats are the problem.
Yeah, no Republicans have ever supported gun control. /sarcasm
But remember, this WHOLE gun-grabbing thing is a libtard (democrat) issue….PERIOD. Its THEIR baby, not some weak rino who is only after re-election, and goes wobbly on a vote.
True….but my 597 is crap. Jams all the time.
Really Pete? I also have 597 and it has NEVER jammed, not even once after at least 1000+ rounds. I love this .22 rifle. I used Federal and, unfortunately now, Remington LR bulk ammo. I bought mine 4 years ago, so maybe that is the issue. I have heard the quality has gone WAY done in the last couple of years.
Remington is in the same category as Wal-Mart, GM and Brett Favre…formerly All-American icons that all wound up disgraced.
I haven't bought one single Remington related thing since they were bought by the freedom group. Not one ioda. Don't plan to ever again, either.
No, Remington IS the problem and I will remember not to buy anything with the Remington name on it.
But then they don't need my money do they? They just got bribed by the federal government with tax dollars!
KMA Remington.
You got that right. They all want the free stuff Daddy Barack keeps promosing them. True Democacies last historically about 200 years. That's how long it takes the voters to realize they can vote for free stuff for themselves. Since we are actually a Republic, it may take a little longer before the Gov't comes apart at the seams, but it's coming. Please God, No hillary in 2016!
Beware, Winchester ain't all that. I wouldn't waste my money on one made since 1964! Moss or even one of those Turkish made ones would be better.
I'll bite, Remington doesn't screw over it's employees to make a point, that'll just be ignored by the State.
Yeah, my first thought is that there's 1200 people (and their families) breathing a little easier tonight.
not just the employees all of ilion is only there because of remm
Which means they have power. They chose not to use it properly IMO.
what clay said.
1200 people continuing to pay sky high taxes in New York when they could have been relocated.
Screw over one sap who won't vote with his feet or screw one that already has and lives in a free state and continue to mis-spend resources on NY taxes…
More than one way to look at it…
Hey, the employees can move. Probably someplace with lower taxes, a lower cost of living, and politics that aren't a long term threat to their livelihood.
It's been years since I bought anything from Remington except ammo. I'm already boycotting their ammo by virtue of the fact that it, like other brands, is largely unobtanium right now.
I bought 1,350 rounds of Remington 22LR today at Sportsmen's Warehouse. Also bought 1,000 rounds of Winchester Super X Target 22LR ammo.
good for you.
Thank you. I'm breathing easier.
Shame Remington has to be under Cerebus. Love the 870 more than any other gun. I hope they get sold and move to a better place.
Can gun owners please get off their high horses and stop acting like companies have to screw over employees AND their finances just to move because they say so?
Get over yourselves, seriously.
Governor Cuomo is that you?
How is what I said anywhere close to something Cuomo would say? I'm tired of hearing people demanding giant companies uproot their entire business and leave a state because the anti-gun winds blew in bad legislation.
Get over yourselves, it's idiotic to expect them to do that.
Like I said . . . .
I agree, but what would be nice to see is if every company that is "threatening to move" or "should move" just stayed put and took 1/2 the money that it takes to move and put it into NRA, SAF, etc. enough progress could be made to make it a moot point.
It is idiotic only if one has no principles. Remington made their choice as other companies have made theirs. That is what a free society is all about. Freedom to choose.
I happen to think a company that remains in a State that limits citizen's choices based on arbitrary reasons is not a company I wish to do business with. I would rather support a company that supports all law abiding citizens across the country than a few hundred employees and a State that infringes on individual Rights.
yet some are still doing it…
by all means, stay in new york…
…then ask me a year from now how many Remington guns ive bought and how many i recommended to people. A big fat ZERO will be my reply.
What's idiotic is for a company or individual to willingly support a corrupt system or state that actively seeks the destruction of the very thing that company is built on. To say otherwise is beyond lunacy.
So, I don't get much choice in where my tax dollars go, but I do get a say in whether or not my money goes to support a business paying taxes in a fascist state. Personally, I choose not to support such forms of government in as much as is possible for me to determine.
BTW, your line of thinking isn't much different than a generational welfare voter. They want what they want and to hell with taking a principled stand to support that which more greatly serves the common good.
Face it nate…you are either with us or against us. You move Cuomo.
With us or against us? Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Why is that an issue for you Nate? Isn't it a part of a free, capitalist system? Companies should make choices that serve their business model, which includes factoring in the needs of their customers. Why wouldn't a company consider relocating out of a state where their products are illegal to sell? In fact, the NY SAFE act doesn't even make provisions for production. I wonder if Remmington employees can even legally be in possession and test a completed Bushmaster rifle or standard capacity 30-round magazine within the factory after assembly is complete….they're illegal to possess – the SAFE Act makes no provision for possession in a manufacturing setting…the hasily passed law is in conflict with their manufacturing license…just like Police weren't originally exempted.
They will do what they need to do. As I will.
As others have pointed here Nate, you stand with us or you don't. No more time for "middle ground".
Their ammo is now off my shopping list.
Like you said? You're making no sense, what I said has nothing to do with Cuomo whatsoever.
Stop expecting companies to uproot because you think they should. It costs money and it'll put people out of work, you want to foot the bill?
The irony here is that, as a person who comes across like you're all about the workers and families, you are blatantly ignoring the irrefutable fact that no gun maker in America should have to move because of…wait for it…anti-gun legislation.
So what will it be, Nate? Food on the table for the few or defending our Constitutional right to bear arms?
I don't understand what you're getting at. Yes, companies shouldn't have to move because of stupid laws, but that's not reality. The laws have been passed, and we have to work at getting rid of them, but they're there right now.
So…what's your point?
The point is: If people are not willing to make hard choices and sacrifice their stability to relocate, all in the name of individual rights, how many generations until those rights are gone?
That's absurd, a company having to move an entire manufacturing operation just ain't happening.
Furthermore, if you want people to just keep leaving anti-gun states, the anti-gun sentiment will be at your door next. Good luck with that.
Exactly let's get Cuomo to move, next election he'll be moving out of the governors mansion!
Mr. Bloomberg?
No Nate, it means the slave states lose population and thus congressional seats AND electoral college votes . It means the patriots(whom Remington and its employees are free to join) will forever hold the House AND the Presidency!
It means that slowly, the anti-gun beliefs spread to where you are, and eventually there will be nowhere to run. Colorado has already fallen, Texas may turn Democrat by 2020 (and how long will guns last after that?) and so on.
Stand and fight, or keep running. I live in a state where I'm part of 12.6% of people with guns, and we're all that's standing in the way of a total ban on firearms here.
have fun whining until they are all gone. Submit when they ask for yours. Have fun with that. Others feel that individual liberty is more important and believe in living with like minded people that express themselves with their ballots. Join the patriots in the liberty movement when you are ready. You'll come around, or become part of the problem. It just takes time and mental exercise to realize this. It took me about 8 years of political and philosophical thought and growth to get that far…Enjoy the journey
What you've said is the exact opposite of "being part of a movement". You've advocated RETREAT in the face of adversity, and that's cowardly.
Gee Nate! As gun owners we can't do any of that. All we can do is show our displeasure by not buying their products. It just seems strange to me to want to stay in a place that has outlawed a lot of your product and is trying for more. Take that 80 mil contract and move to a more open minded state, and take the employees with you. Other companies are leaving Conneticut and some have already left Colorado. Pretty soon, the "Blue States" won't have firearm manufacturers to kick around anymore.
Well, they've made their choice and now they have to live with it.
I've already boycotted Remington, but that's only because they no longer make anything that a competitor doesn't make better.
Better give up on
Smith and Wesson
and a bunch of others places that are "anti-gun"
Savage Arms, Troy Industries, Colt, Smith and Wesson, etc. etc.
I OWN an S&W M&P 15, and FS 9mm.
For now, they will be the last.
Remington understands — they can't fight the feds and at the same time get government contracts. Remmy is now owned lock, stock and barrel by the G. Do you really want to contribute to that?
If you want a 700 or an 870, buy it used. There are plenty around. Your money then goes to the seller, not to
SelloutCerberus Capital.
Ralph, I'm just a young'un and all I know about the fight in the 1990s is stories I've heard. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't a similar thing happen to Colt after they signed up with Clinton? Gun owners flooded the market with used guns and obliterated their profits, forcing Colt to become an exclusive mil/gov/LE manufacturer?
That was S&W, not Colt. But the rest of what you say is correct.
Remington's bin a shit company since they went to corperate from family owned! The Walker trigger in the older 700 bolt rifles did it for me. They discovered they had a trigger issue with the 700 bolt rifles. They did the numbers, and found out it would be cheaper to pay a few wrongful death suits then issue a recall! SCREW REMINGTON!!!! They made this statement after a women shot her son accidently while unloading her rifle with the safty on. The young boy was on the other side of her travel trailer when the rifle went off! Remington said this"this could have bin prevented if she would have had the rifle pointed in a safe direction" Yeah right, which direction is SAFE REMINGTON when you don't know when your freaking rifle is going to go off?????? In the military we called it a REMINGTON MOMENT because it happened so much, id just touch the bolt handle, safty on mind you and kaboom, weapon would fire. Finger not even in the trigger guard. In fact many police forces stopped using the 700's due to this issue! I will never buy one thing from these non gun owning assclowns!!
"…after a women shot her son accidently while unloading her rifle with the safty on. The young boy was on the other side of her travel trailer when the rifle went off!"
You know the rules. Point, destroy, etc.
I watched the documentary show. The kid was supposed to be behind her but he slipped around the back of the horse trailer. A big one too. She was pointing the gun in the safest direction…. My 700 went off by itself once, same thing – I was unloading it before getting down from my tree stand, started moving the safety and off it went. I had the muzzle pointing up thank God. Scared the crap out of me! I got rid of it.
remington is right in that regard.
I dont give a F^CK if its the finest mechanical contraption known to man; one should never rely on a safety 100%. She did. Something about not pointing the gun at something you dont intend to destroy…
I think the trigger was fixxed in 08′. In any case, I got a 700 varmint with the 26″ bull barrel for $349 on the last Black Friday, just before the poop hit the fan in Newtown. It was a screaming deal, but would I do it again knowing what I know now? I would like them to move as well, but they did not sin like Cheaper Than Dirt or Dicks did, so I would still buy the gun.
As usual TTAG ignores the fact the Reminton has two huge factories outside of NY. One makes guns (Kentucky) and the other makes ammo (Arkansas, IIRC). Sorry, no boycott from me. Mybe we should boycott Ruger and Savage too. But wait–then they wouldn't send you test guns.
Or you could just come out of the closet and proclaim the fact that you support giving anti-gunners (like Cuomo and Bloomberg) millions of dollars every year. Because if you haven't realized it, that is exactly what you are defending. You might as well cancel your NRA membership and start sending a check to "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" and the Brady Campaign, because your continued support of Remington is actually supporting anti-gun legislation and allowing those states the wherewithal to spread their evil desire for control.
Way to sound unhinged there.
Aaaaand, in classic form, we eat our young. Nobody is ever allowed to express a different viewpoint or opinion, no matter how narrowly it may actually differ from the "accepted line." If they do, instead of trying to convince them or educate them, you immediately declare them to be left of Mao. I'm sure by saying this you'll say I'm an appeaser, and try to shave my head like the Dutch did to the women who slept with the Nazis during WWII.
I've been called "Cuomo's buttboy" and "Bloomberg" for daring to say that companies don't have to move because gun owners think so.
Way to make us all look like the stereotype they already believe is true folks! It made me cringe when I went to a gun show and began hearing this conversation soon after I got there :"Obummer is bringing in them UN black helicopters soon, he's gonna take our guns!"
"I went to a gun show and began hearing… 'Obummer is bringing in them UN black helicopters soon, he's gonna take our guns!'"
I said elsewhere today that anytime I see someone use a bastardized form of Obama's name, their credibility with me immediately drops by about 50%. Since I already assume anyone I hear talking at a gun show is about 90% full of shit, you do the math.
Well, Nate, I guess we hit a nerve with you, you anti in sheep's clothing.
You assume that anyone you hear talking at a gunshow is 90% full of shit? Let me do that math…yup, your a libtard.
Okay, I'm an anti because I don't agree with insane people?
When did I say anything about 90% of a gun show? Don't make shit up. Scumbags.
Conversation threading is important. Read from the top down. I don't know if Bill was serious at you or trolling, but either way, he got you. The 90% thing was directed at me, and Pat thinks everyone is a libtard, it's his favorite word in the whole world. That may have been the joke, I don't know. My meter isn't calibrated that well.
If true, then Remmy should focus on moving/expanding operations to those two factories. Sure NY bought them off with tax incentives and other breaks (probable) for the time being, but it will only get you so far.
Bushmaster and the R1 line is moving to Huntsville, Al, they are advertising for workers now. (2,000 workers).
Try and imagine the expense and logistics of moving a factory that employs 1200 people to another state. For starters, where are you going to find a suitable building? Where are you going to find 1200 trained workers ready to hit the ground running? What are you going to do for money while the old factory is dismantled and the new one is set up? If you think about it for 30 seconds you'll realize that in the real world, few could afford it. Many companies couldn't survive it.
Save, you know, companies that have just had the most profitable past 4 years they are capable of having…
All the former NASA certified workers and empty Air/space industry sites between Houston and Cape Kennedy would be the first place I would look.
1200 employees? Over 50,000 would apply
Not to stray too far from the topic but former NASA employees are the last people you would want to work at Remington. Each rifle would cost more than if it was made of solid gold and they'd only produce about 100 per year. Also, the warranty would be void if you didn't send the rifle in to be rebuilt after each shot.
This is only a slight exaggeration. The current culture at NASA wrecks engineers for the private sector. They do great work but are overly cautious about everything but the project's budget. They don't tend to do well at companies small enough not to be frozen by entrenched bureaucracy.
So, in your world, profit is KING. No standing on principles, no regard for the natural right of self defense. It is perfectly fine to predicate everything on profit motive. Good for you! Excuse me while I go outside and throw up.
While no inherent lover of Remmy post Cerberus, as an upstater in a region that is pushing over 8% unemployment, I cannot help but appreciate a company that is able to extort a substantial sum of money from the very people bent on their destruction, ultimately allowing for the company to stay in place where they exist as the very lifeblood of the town.
There is no Ilion, NY without Remington.
extort TAX DOLLARS
Anything stopping them from moving out of New York AND fulfilling that gov't contract?
You can't have a quid without the pro quo.
Remmy outsources a lot of their manufacturing. Would anyone care to guess who makes the R-15 and R-25 for them?
There would not be Ilion NY without Remington. A firearms manufacturer is more than it's products, it is it's employees and the communities they're a part of.
And the non-existant Ilion, KY, might exist if they moved there. Big picture: Moving doesn't cost jobs; it moves them. The loss for folks in Ilion, NY, is a gain for folks somewhere else. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be hard for the folks in Ilion; I'm just saying that it's fair. Someone prospers at the expense of someone else. We cannot choose what employees get it good and which get it rough; and who are we to say who deserves the job more? What we can choose is what companies get it good, and which get it rough; and we can say which company deserves our business more.
That never stopped remmy from shutting down the Marlin plant, did it?
Not saying I will never buy from Remington but they are further from the top of the list than they where before I read this…
It sucks, but employees also have a choice – move or find another job. Been down this road before, and a company must do what it needs to survive. If moving is the choice a company feels it needs, it's tough luck. I feel if these companies and people don't start standing up to these Governors, it's just going to bring on the inevitable demise of the company, then "everyone" looses. These states do not want you there polluting their little utopia.
Heck, if Remington moves South they're doing their employees a huge favor–better weather, lower taxes, cheaper gas!
As far as expenses, companies move all the time for varying reasons. One of the favored places to move is either overseas, or to Texas. If some of these states would pull the heads out of wherever and stop treating businesses like dirt, they would probabaly stop leaving. Also, people need to pull their heads out and pay damn attention to who you're voting for, so you don't put morons into the offices of your state. In some ways, you've made your bed.
OK, Ruger American Rifle it is…..
My initial reaction to this was to avoid Remington products, but then I got to thinking, "why do states like New York abuse their citizens' second amendment rights when other states don't?" I live in a state where the Democrats actually passed the right to carry law a few years ago (didn't help them in the elections). The answer, I think, is that too few people in New York own firearms and it's easy to look the other way when other people are getting their civil rights trampled. I don't think shutting down the Remington factory would help increase the firearms ownership rate in NY.
Then I looked up Remington Arms on Wikipedia and found out that their corporate headquarters is actually in North Carolina and they have another newer state of the art firearms factory in Kentucky and their ammunition facility was moved from Connecticut to Arkansas back in the 80s. So if you want to boycott New York you don't need to boycott Remington ammunition.
But, their HQ is still in NY. So, your point is ridiculous.
What part of "their corporate headquarters is actually in North Carolina" did you not understand?
No, its really not…..
Last I checked, Rmington was in charge of Remington. If they don't wanna move, thats all on them. let them deal with their decision. It doesn't phase me in the least.
Not that I was gonna chose a 1911r1 over an sti spartan, but I'm more than likely still gonna buyammo.
If Remington stays and quietly fights, I'm okay with that. As Ralph
pointed out that could hardly keep their government contract
while speaking loudly. On the other hand, if they go into compliance
mode like S&W did in the 90s (and arguably now), then by all
means boycott. But something tells me the CEOs are still thinking
they can shut up and skate through and that this will eventually blow
You can't expect politics to come first for everyone. Short term losses for Remington on this issue if they moved would decimate 1200 people and their families. That's not short term. Same way expecting people to pack up and move out of California due to oppression is impractical at best. Cost and the webs of social connection that you can't simply itemize as losses comes into play.
I applaud the companies that moved and won't suffer quality losses. The statement is both bold and heartening. I readily admit that Remington appears to have destroyed the quality associated with Marlin and I have to find a lever gun worth keeping in a time when QC is secondary but neither of these justifies demanding bad business in ways that are downright petulant. If a company can afford to move and wants to it is different than the consumer base clamoring for it. At this point us demanding big physical movesas consumers aren't better than the anti-gun crowd making irrational demands.
Anti gun people have the right to not own guns, them clamoring for us to ditch ours is the problem. Companies have the right to move, us demanding it is not a good premise. Remington will pay for it, as I've never liked the products and this doesn't add any love to the matter. I'm sure others feel similarly but I don't think hating them for staying accomplishes much. Vote with your wallet. If that doesn't do it then little else will.
The jobs that people will lose because they don't make the move are the jobs that others will gain. When you look at the big picture, you cannot worry about individual employee's job. Do the folks in gun-friendly states deserve the jobs less?
The companines that are moving are doing so because they believe it will increase business over the long term. And, by increasing businesses, the move could actually create jobs within the company, not to mention those that would be further employed to support the move.
I never expected that Remington would move. (I thought MAYBE Mossberg, but it doesn't seem like anybody is knocking on their door asking them to commit to one position or another.) I also did not expect that Colt or Baretta would move … And they haven't. Despite their threats to do so, they've not announce plans to move any of their production out of "occupied" states. Oh, Colt. Yeah, they have one factory moving to Texas, but from Oregon.
But, I digress … Other than the efficacy of moving to a more gun-friendly state, I agree with that you're saying. It isn't practical to cut and run in every case. And the best practice is to "vote with your wallet" if a company offends you.
Orygun is run by progressives, last week the Gov. declared that illeagles now get in state tuition, he called it a Dream Come True as in the Dream Act
People are equal in most lights but do you pull up stakes on people who've been there over a decade who trust you to provide for them abd risk the Quality Control decline that the loss of your veteran skilled workers entails? Everyone is equal but your duty to friends, family and employees outstrips common courtesy in my book.
As I recall, Beretta moved a lot of manufacturing before and is moving out of Maryland for good. Regardless, I appreciate the sentiment but making defense statements based on political choices is not the best idea. I carry and use what I think is best tor the job. If Hi Point got its CEO to make primary funding obligations to the SAF I still wouldn't carry one.
Boycotts are nice, when you don't have a real need of what you're boycotting. I love manufacturers on our side but I can't see deep sixing or boycotting what I've been carrying for years either.
Plus, Remington has enough issues. This last contract is likely the last we will see out of them for a while.
I was going to start looking for an 870 home defense shotgun.
Guess I'll see what the Winchester SXP Defender is all about now.
Agreed. I will have little trouble voting with my money.
Not another penny will I spend with Remington.
No firearms, no ammo, no nothing.
Okay, look. I've been eyeing a puchase of either a Remington 870 or Mossberg 590 … One of them maintains a manufacturing presence in New York, and the other, its headquarters in Connecticut. So, now which one do I get? I cannot boycott everything. Are people going to boycott all the Remington 700-based rifles out there too?
Well… Aslong as its a deal with Special Operations Command.. Operators are too smart to do President Berry's bidding!.. But as long as its not a deal for Berry's goons, the DHS.
Wait, what? You do realize that Obama ordered the operation that finalized bin Laden, right? And that it was the SpecOps community that carried out his orders?
Never mind. Don't let me intrude on your feverish fantasy of the SpecOps shooters rising up against a legitimately elected US President.
Beretta is moving from Maryland and taking nearly all its employees. Far as I'm concerned, we've reached the point where you stand on principle or you crawfish and get nibbled to death by ducks, and we wake up and it's all over. We gun owners are the small dog in this fight, so we have to bite harder, which includes a boycott of any company that capitulates to the antis. No more Remmie products for me, including ammo. If Remington had moved, the employment issue and, more importantly, the loss of tax revenue would have been a huge blow to New York. Too late to reverse the SAFE Act, but other states looking at the Remington exodus would have had second thoughts about ramming through anti-gun legislation.
With this development, when the prospect of losing a major manufacturer is brought up in opposition you YOUR state's leftist legislators, when the prospect of yet another "toughest anti-gun bill in the nation" is introduced there, the response is going to be, "Well, look at New York. They didn't lose Remington." That decision by Remington made it that much easier for these preposterous laws to proliferate across the country like black mold.
As far as I'm concerned, Remington has done the antis a huge favor, by putting their bottom line ahead of the rest of us. I'm absolutely certain the G worked a deal with them to stay put. If we don't react with a boycott, we're the guys who just stood there with disbelief on our faces while the big bus smashed us flat.
+1. If you don't use your dollar power now I don't need a time machine to show where you are all going. The UK is only a plane ride away. 20, 50 or 200 years from now, your choice.
3 weeks back I e-mailed Rem asking that they Move, I have received their answer.
I will buy no Rem Products and I will sell the ones I have to discourage new sales.
A boycott will be necessary. I will never buy Remington products until they move. You don't turn your back on your customers like this and expect to maintain their loyalty and respect.
Not sure whose heard, but the entire Freedom Group (Remington, Bushmaster, DPMS, etc) just raised their prices on everything. Not point of sale prices or MSRP, but the prices they charge the distributors. Not only that, but any orders made before the price increase WILL NOT be honored.
So, if you're a gun store and have already paid for merchandise that hasn't arrived yet, too bad, pay up. For this reason, I'll be boycotting the entire Freedom Group.
Not to be contrarian, but at least one of FG's member company's price increases are in line with those of previous years. Based on your comments, it would appear that the gun-grabbers are not the only ones prone to knee-jerk reactions. Just sayin'.
Before all of this hysteria, I was in the market for a 12 gauge tactical shotgun for home defense. I was torn between the Remington Versamax and the Mossberg 930 SPX. I eventually went with the Mossberg, and boy am I glad I did. Not only is it a great gun, but given Remington's sellout for short term gain, I'm so glad I didn't give them my money. Remington just lost all of my business from firearms to ammo. Now, let's see what the other "big" manufacturers do. I'm looking at you Colt, Ruger etc. Kudos to Beretta, and Magpul et al.
Well…Mossberg is happily camped out in CT which is just a smaller version of NY right now. I mean them, Stag Arms and Colt aren't going anywhere and CT is going to be one of the hardest places to fix, likely only with a Supreme Court ruling (or several) so I wouldn't give Mossberg any extra props compared to Remington.
Of the same token, I own a 930 SPX myself AND a rifle built around a Stag Arms lower that I love dearly for home defense and plinking. That doesn't endear the company's political choices to me but I choose my firearms by function and not political furor.
You mention Magpul but originally they were on board with all the supplying to states with crappy laws. They changed their tune and I own 9 mags from them. It would've been a shame if I had ditched them to make a political statement when at the time I owned only one non Magpul magazine. So later, Remington may come to their senses. Not that I'm betting on it but I know better than to expect any absolutes out of a battle of principles when money and lives can hang in the balance.
I buy firearms that I can trust. If things get to a point where I need to make a political statement with them it is something I would use them to punctuate it by usage and not state by brand name presence. All my guns need to do is work so I can speak my mind not speak for me.
Well, crud.
I was so looking forward to buying a Remington 700. Had my eye on a nice scope to complete the unit.
In the past five years, I've bought a new firearm on April 19, the anniversary of the day in 1775 when the British came to confiscate the colonist's weapons and powder.
NOW I have to find a good sniper rifle from someone else. Preferably someone in the US.
Added: Battle of Lexington, for Liberals who probably never read about it.
Since it's a holiday in Massachusetts, I'm sure plenty of liberals know about it.
There are many different bolt guns and depending on your parameters and budget you can make most any into an impressive tool. Question is, if you decide not to go with a 700, what are you going to go with? If you're going to put heavy use on it and the 700 is the weapon with the most available parts and aftermarket I would still go with it.
Otherwise, I saw a .308 bolt gun from Ruger, economical that I liked well enough that I may get this summer. At this point you're going to have to consider how much you want to put into it to get to the standards that the 700 has set, if you're looking for performance. Ruger or Savage would be good starts.
You've got about a week left and I think bolt guns are still plentiful enough to do a bit of shopping. I still would weigh heavily the options though.
I maintain that the better reason to boycott Remington is that they now produce low quality products, and for doing the same to poor, poor, Marlin.
I am so utterly disgusted since I wanted a Marlin Lever gun for so long…and now…I would have to find one from some old collection overpriced if I wanted one at all…
Since the big W moved its production for lever guns to Japan, your best choice now is Henry Repeating Arms.
Hmmm… my stuff was made by Commies. Well, at least they weren't American Commies…
A sad conclusion to America's oldest firearms manufacturer.
Just the name Cerberus ought to have been warning enough. A three-headed dog from hell keeping the damned from escape…. Maybe they'll sell Remington to something better.
Hopefully we can say AMF to cerebus like Harley, Randy
I'll buy Remington ammunition made in Arkansas. I may buy used Remington firearms. I will NOT spend my money on new Remington firearms. Magpul is leaving Colorado, Remington could leave New York if it had a corporate conscience, which it does not.
Remington doesn't have to move, but I also don't have to buy their products.
I won't buy a Remington, Colt, Glock, etc.
I will buy exclusively from those whom have stood with us for our rights.
The question is less will you buy them but have you bought them and are you going to offload them? I mean it would be a shame to ditch most of your arsenal and the muscle memory associated with it to make a political statement. I mean to each their own and I don't own any Remington but…it seems a bit blind or foolhardy to jump too hard against good hardware, especially if it's what you own and are familiar with. No handgun manufacturer jumps to mind as standing with us and that alone is enough for me to think abandoning companies flat out may not be wise.
I can understand making a point to vote with your wallet but don't compromise defense for politics if you're running an ever shorter list of what actually is worth defending your home and life with because many upper class manufacturers have too much government traffic to abandon the sales. If going with smaller, lesser known and less tried and true firearms manufactuers is an acceptable risk that's one thing but usually I find that not to be the case. Something to think about.
My muscle memory is fine on multible platforms and I'll dispose of my property as I see fit
Everyone isn't as adept. I could carry and learn anything but some folks aren't as apt or have the budget and time to relearn things in old age versus youth. I never said don't sell anything, I said it's something to think about. Whether you reject that idea or not is subjective and up to you on a case by case basis.
Smokin joe & the thing that ate the constitution can have a shotgun contest now. The winner gets a huntin trip with cheny. Randy
Six or seven years ago, I bought a box of Remington 8mm MAuser ammunition for one of my rifles. From the outside, the box looked like it was new. When I took it home and opened it (it was sealed and the cardboard could only be opened by cutting / tearing it) several of the rounds had verdigris on the cases, and almost every single round had deep scratches or dents on the case. To call the quality pathetic would have been an understatement, and I wrote about it on several forums and posted pictures at the time. If that company prefers staying in New Yuck and selling to that state's Gestapo, let it stay there. And, if there are idiots who want to spend money on Remington's junk, it is their money. Personally, I think there are several superb Model 700 clones being offered to very, very high specs that Remington themselves can't be bothered to offer. Just check the gaps between the receiver and the barrel and the stock on any Model 700 – synthetic stocked or wood stocked, if you want to assess their quality for yourself. Let that crap stay where it is, and let enough other gunmakers boycott that state so that its strong-arm forces buy only Remington crap. They'll deserve what they get.
Sounds like a Winchester Model 70 would suit you just fine then! Built in S.C. in the same plant that cranks out the FN military stuff. I have one that is w-a-y better than the last crap built in New Haven, CT!
I look at it this way. The gun and ammo makers have their futures and the futures of their companies at stake on the outcome of these gun control laws being pushed by the grabbers. Why should I, the end consumer, have to devote my time and money to defend the gun makers right to sell their products to me? I'm the little guy, not a major company. I do not have their resources.
I will meet them partway. I have joined and pay to support gun rights groups. I vote pro gun and I yuck it up to who ever will listen to me about gun rights. But these companies need to get into the game too. They need to carry a greater load than I.
I have purchased all the guns I will ever need. Does that mean I will never buy another gun? That depends a lot on the level of support I see from the individual gun companies. Bear your share of the burden and I will look favorably at your product.
Did Remington go through the bidding process for the DOD contract or was it pay off? Just curious.
Regardless, I guess I will not be buying any Remington products.
While I have wanted to see Remington leave N.Y. as well, I understand how extremely difficult and expensive it would be for them to do it. It would probably cost them $100 million to make the move and then they would have what, 400 workers who could or would make the move with them. They aren't Kimber, they occcupy a city block.
The move is made in phases, finished parts are shipped to a new location for assembly then certain mfg operations are moved, it happens over a period of years, I would move from the NE to the SE in a heart beat if there was a good job.
Lets not forget that the consumer is supporting these anti-gun regimes as Rem pays millions in state taxes
When Remington starts making AKs or Glocks I will give a damn.
I have more Rem 700s in my safe than any other but there will be no more added.
Remington will get no more of my money.
I'm throwing away my Remington camo/hunting cap too.
Take that!
Way back when, I bought one of the first Remington 870s 12g…the price,then, was $45.00. Didn't like it,got rid of it,never bought another Remington product. I was interested in the new Remington 783 bur,after this news, dom't need it. Bye bye ,again, Remington.
This is how it works:
1. Remington stays put
2. We boycott til Remmy goes bankrupt
3. The Gov bails them out and, by default, owns Remmy
4. The Gov avoids the need for contracts and can then supply itself with all the guns and ammo it needs for fun or for tyranny.
What GEART DAY! they are staying…do you think it might be the government contract?????? $$$$$$80 MILLLLLLION DOLLARS, can you say grease my palms! Piss on Remington I will NEVER Buy one EVER!!!! the same for your ammo! Good luck in Yankme Town.
I'm going to dump my four remington firearms onto the market. Gun owners own enough of them that if we all did this, remington would see it's sales of new products collapse.
Did Lanza or did he NOT use an AR-15. The reports on this have been spotty at best with original reports saying that the gun was in the trunk of the car when they opened it. WHAT IS THE TRUTH about Newtown??
Not all of New York is Liberal. Actually most of it is fairly conservative. It is the Capital and NYC that are the problems.
Why limit your boycott to Freedom Group? Don't forget about Kimber. And, don't forget about all that awesome stuff made in California. We all know Cali has been trampling on te constitution for some time.
I propose you completely boycott anything made in New York. Since you want to ride around on your ethics horse and all. Or, do you just bandwagon?
Remington is DEAD TO ME. Their weapons and their crappy UMC ammo can stay in NY as far as I'm concerned.
I can't say much for Remington staying in New York, but they are building a 2,000 job $110 million plant in Huntsville, AL that is already advertising for workers.
Their is a reason why the Gun companies supported no importation of firearms back in the 90;s and its called shoddy workmanship on the part of American firearms companies! why do you suppose they snapped up all the smaller companies who had better product than Remington. Bushmaster was an inferior product to DPMS that's why they were bought! workmanship just enough to sell!


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|Sport, 1 pitch, 75'
|YDS: 5.12b French: 7b Ewbanks: 26 UIAA: VIII+ ZA: 26 British: E5 6b [details]
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By George Squibb
From: Boulder, CO
Nov 29, 2006
|It was a long time ago, but I think we originally graded it .12b
By Jay Knower
From: Campton, NH
Nov 29, 2006
|The most recent guidebook has it at 12c, but I would agree with 12b. Technosurfing is at least as hard as Whip Tide, if not harder, and Techno's 12b.
By lee hansche
From: goffstown, nh
Feb 14, 2007
rating: 5.12b/c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b
The victory whip from the top is not to be missed.... I found the whipper to be at least as fun as the climb itself....
To take the whip:
1. don't clip the chains...
2. have your belayer pay out a bit of extra slack...
3. walk the plank...
You will hit the wall but not too hard at all...have fun....
By Mike Thompson
From: Manchester NH
Feb 7, 2008
|new project for mike?....i think so!.... take the whiper eh!
By lee hansche
From: goffstown, nh
Feb 8, 2008
rating: 5.12b/c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b
|good proj for you mike... work out the boulder problem start then crush it...
By Mike Thompson
From: Manchester NH
Feb 17, 2008
|oh it will be crushed
By bheller
From: SL UT
Oct 14, 2010
|Try as I might, I couldn't seem to make that lower crux getting into the corner feel any easier than a legit V5 (12c)... guess I needed someone to show me the sneaky undercling beta. I found this route way harder than Technosurfing.
By lee hansche
From: goffstown, nh
Oct 15, 2010
rating: 5.12b/c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b
|perhaps ill get some video some day.... till then watch people do it and steal beta... it really does get easier the more you figure it out...
By Mike Willig
Nov 7, 2010
|Watched a guy free solo this today...made it look like 5.6. Impressive as hell.
By M Sprague
From: New England
Nov 8, 2010
rating: 5.12b/c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b
|Timmy Deroehn? Man, I wish he would stop doing that. It is impressive how he has those routes wired, but I would hate to see or hear that he splattered. The odds aren't good if you keep doing that, no matter how good you are. Frankly, it always seems a little odd when people solo with others around.
By Mike Willig
Nov 8, 2010
|I don't think that was his last name...I could be wrong. It was only my partner and I there....so it wasn't crowded...and it was clear that he had no intention of trying to impress anyone. In fact, when his friends showed up, he put on his harness.
By Hannah W
May 20, 2011
I think another factor in how this climb feels different for different people is that I think the crux favors people with shorter legs - you just fit into the dihedral better (I know, I'm waiting to hear the dissenting voices). I'd never climbed v4 outside when I sent this climb (still haven't sent any v4s as a matter of fact), and although it took a lot of effort to send it, i was able to figure out a good sequence in the end.
I think it's far more important in the crux to look at your feet as well, the undercling is key but it won't do any good if you don't put your feet right. before i sent the climb i had it exactly figured out where to put my feet with numerous different foot switches in the short 20 foot crux. you just have to figure out a way to use the opposition forces in the dihedral to your advantage.
kayte knower had the best beta for the climb, it really helped me out so if you see her maybe ask her?
By Mike Willig
Jan 12, 2012
Video of Tim Deroehn Free Soloing RT...
By Ian Grant
From: Cambridge
Nov 8, 2014
rating: 5.12b 7b 26 VIII+ 26 E5 6b
|Classic. Perhaps it's the gym climbing's fault, but this felt wildly more difficult than Techno. Bring your full bag of tricks.
By Eric Leclerc
From: Montreal
Nov 10, 2014
rating: 5.12b 7b 26 VIII+ 26 E5 6b
|I have seen many climbers in the 5.13 range getting spanked in the starting crux. Follow Lee's advice and have someone to show you the beta. If executed well, it feels quite easy. If you grade this route according to the onsight difficulty, it could be 5.13b but in my opinion, the grade should always be established according to the easiest way to climb it. After climbing Whip-Tide, Man Overboard and E-Ticket, I cannot give Whip Tide more than 12b. Super boulder problem, delicate dihedral and a nice and easy gym roof finish!
By Mike Collins
Nov 23, 2015
|haha I could not agree more. The beginning crux feels impossibly hard for me. I really want to work on this thing but got spanked by that every time I try! I have only watched the video though, definitely need to watch someone do it in real time.
By lee hansche
From: goffstown, nh
Jun 27, 2017
rating: 5.12b/c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b
Torie grabbed some footage of me running a cold lap on this thing a few months ago. finally got around to posting it. Sorry I didn't cut out the long rest while I warmed up my hands just scoot through that part and it might just be fun and informative haha


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We now have organic beer and organic vodka and soon to follow, organic whiskey. Could have fooled me; I thought alcohol was toxic.
The Eel's waters are diverted to produce pot and in the headwaters it is diverted to Mendocino and Sonoma counties to produce wine. Both are essential to the economy and public health. The fish don't really matter.
Our county government employs more than twice as many people in health and human services as it does in law enforcement and infrastructure combined. We spend $2 million on trails, while more than 20 percent of our land is already in public domain. We only have a few drug-related murders each year and they are just collateral damage.
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text: Hello everyone! I found out about my epilepsy(Juvenile Absence Epilepsy)about 2 years ago right before my 18th birthday. Throughout these two years I've had like 8 or 9 grand mal seizures and I've had a bunch of absence seizures(the little eye flutter things that are super duper annoying) the mg of my medicine(lamictal xr) has kept going up and now its at 350mg. My first question is, have any of you guys noticed any significant side effects with lamictal xr? Like with your memory. My next question is, how the heck do you deal with this? I know mines not super crazy bad but it still sucks; I'm a 2nd year college student and I see all of my friends doing the stuff I can't do and it depresses the crap outta me, and I can't go on trips with my friends because my mom gets super worried that I will have a seizure and get badly injured(which I can understand). So there's pretty much my story and those are my questions, can anyone help me out.


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My name is Leo
I live in Worcester, MA 'round Elm Park.
I'm looking for a drummer, bassist, and potentially another guitarist that is looking to start a band.
A drummer is most important right now.
I play guitar and have between 4-6 songs currently that i've written and would like to find other musicians to start a band with.
We would practice 2 times a week initially and maybe 3 after things have picked up.
i am incredibly easy going, hard working, and an all around fun guy to be around.
We will also need to find a place to practice, any and all ideas are welcome.
If you're interested in trying out, please respond to the email above and i will send you wav. files of the songs i have thus far to see if you dig
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this is a dummy guitar track i laid down to a drum loop. don't have a drummer yet, so it is what it is for the time being.


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WellCare Health Plans, Inc. (NYSE: WCG) today reported results for the fourth quarter and year ended December 31, 2011. As determined under generally accepted accounting principles ("GAAP"), net income for the fourth quarter of 2011 was $85.1 million, or $1.96 per diluted share, compared with $26.1 million, or $0.61 per diluted share, for the fourth quarter of 2010. Adjusted net income for the fourth quarter of 2011 was $93.4 million, or $2.15 per diluted share, compared with $30.4 million, or $0.71 per diluted share, for the fourth quarter of 2010. As determined under GAAP, the Company reported net income for the year 2011 of $264.2 million, or $6.10 per diluted share, compared with a net loss of $53.4 million, or $1.26 per share, for 2010. Adjusted net income for 2011 was $291.4 million, or $6.73 per diluted share, compared with $114.2 million, or $2.67 per diluted share, for 2010. "In many ways, our achievements during 2011 transformed the Company and positioned us well for the future," said Alec Cunningham, WellCare's chief executive officer. "Most importantly, growth across our lines of business means we are helping hundreds of thousands more people to improve their health and quality of life, while also helping our government customers more effectively manage their limited resources." WellCare's 2011 accomplishments are highlighted by accreditations of its Georgia and Missouri health plans by the National Committee for Quality Assurance, or NCQA, as well as broad-based year-over-year improvement across all of the Company's lines of business in Healthcare Effectiveness Data and Information Set, or HEDIS ®, measures. WellCare also maintained a disciplined approach to ensuring a competitive cost structure, reducing its adjusted administrative expense ratio by 60 basis points in 2011. In addition, medical expense management initiatives contributed meaningfully to improvement in the Company's medical benefits ratio ("MBR"). During the third quarter, the Company completed an upgrade of its core operating system, which is enabling further progress in improving service, productivity, and compliance. Finally, WellCare delivered prudent, profitable growth, highlighted by Medicaid program awards in Kentucky and Hawaii. In addition, membership enrolled in WellCare's Medicare Advantage dual special needs plans increased over 50%, and Medicare Prescription Drug Plans ("PDPs") membership grew 27% in 2011. Highlights of Operations for the Fourth Quarter Adjusted net income for the fourth quarter of 2011 increased compared with the fourth quarter of 2010, primarily due to the favorable development of medical benefits payable as well as higher premium revenue. In addition, resolution of prior years' state tax matters contributed to the better-than-anticipated outcome. Results for the fourth quarter of 2011 also were affected by greater-than-expected Kentucky Medicaid membership following the Company's November launch of the program.
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Move research guide data to Virginia research guide page? [4 January 2010]
The VA research tips here are great. Given that this place page is getting rather long, how about moving the Research Tips off this page and using Virginia Research Guide instead, and then linking from here to there? That way, we'd keep all research-guide-related content on the actual research guides. Thoughts? Jillaine 16:00, 3 January 2010 (EST)
Janie, see this:
Help:Place_pages#What_if_the_place_page_already_has_data_from_Wikipedia_that_I_don.27t_think_is_pertinent_for_genealogy_purposes.3F--Jillaine 01:11, 4 January 2010 (EST)
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It would be great to link to the specific person pages for those who are listed under the section "Earliest Settlers" -- are any of those folks on WR? Are any of you researching them? Jillaine 08:31, 4 January 2010 (EST)


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Raleigh, N.C. — A bill that its sponsor says would protect North Carolina businesses from frivolous litigation is raising questions from lawmakers charged with reviewing it. They said several of the provisions, which appear to stem from model legislation drafted by national business lobbying groups, are confusing and duplicate current rules.
The measure, Senate Bill 648, will be heard again on Thursday, according to Senate Judiciary I Chairman Buck Newton, R-Wilson. A bill summary of the current measure describes five parts to the bill:
- Making contracts between the attorney general and private lawyers more transparent. It would also cap fees that could be paid to those private lawyers.
- Creating new rules for companies engaged in asbestos and silica litigation.
- Amending laws related to product liability lawsuits, especially when those suits were against the manufacturers of products given government approval.
- Prevent patent trolling. That section of the bill is similar to one reviewed by an interim committee earlier this year.
- Determining an "exclusive forum" for shareholder lawsuits.
Committee members ran out of time before they could discuss the last two sections of the bill. However, the first three sections raised questions its backers and sponsor had trouble answering.
Language in common with ALEC bills
Sen. Brent Jackson, R-Sampson, the bill's sponsor, said the first part of his bill was to ensure that lawmakers and the public knew which law firms were doing work for the Attorney General's Office. The Department of Justice sometimes hires outside counsel to handle complex or long-running litigation.
"We currently have no clue who is working for the attorney general," Jackson said.
But as committee members discussed the bill, Sen. Thom Goolsby, R-New Hanover, pointed out the measure would also limit when the state could hire lawyers on contingency basis. That is when a lawyer agrees to work for a share of any potential settlement. The bill, he said, limits lawyers to collecting a smaller portion of any settlement than is standard in private practice.
"I would hate for us to shortchange the state," Goolsby said, noting such a provision would make good lawyers hard to hire.
Julia White, an assistant attorney general, said the Department of Justice doesn't have any lawyers on contingency right now. Given that, Goolsby asked Jackson where the impetus for the measure came from. Jackson repeated that it was simply a transparency bill.
However, the measure is similar to one pushed in several states by the American Legislative Exchange Council. ALEC is a conservative-leaning group that aims to link state lawmakers with businesses interests.
Likewise, at least two other sections of the bill share similarities with language developed by ALEC.
Asked where the ideas for this and two other sections of the bill came from, Jackson said, "They came out of my own head! You don't believe me?"
When pressed on the matter, he said that the measure dealing with the attorney general and provisions on limited liability and silica lawsuits were proposed by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the North Carolina Chamber.
"I've had some other businesses independently contact me," he said.
Asked if any of the measures were brought to him by ALEC, Jackson said they were not.
"I've not spoken with anyone with ALEC on any of these," he said. "I don't think we've spoken with ALEC on any of our bills. We've been accused of it, though."
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has ties to ALEC, and they have issued joint reports on legal reform. Some of the two groups' model legislation is similar.
Limiting liability suits
Another section of the bill would limit a company's liability if it developed a product under government-approved guidelines. Jackson gave the example of a drug given approval by the FDA.
Sen. Tamara Barringer, R-Wake, said the FDA instance might be a good example, but she said she believed the bill would apply to any number of products.
"I think the bill is far broader," she said.
Jackson acknowledged it was.
"We did make the bill broad to cover as many industries as possible," he said.
He argued that, if the government oversaw the development and design of a product, a company should not be held liable for abiding to those standards.
"That should grant them some type of immunity from frivolous lawsuits," Jackson said.
Barringer replied, however, that this would also limit lawsuits when there might be a product recall or some instance that the government had not authorized.
"This would also prohibit regular lawsuits – lawsuits that would be meritorious," she said.
Jackson acknowledged the bill could be read as "having that effect" and said that was why it was getting a hearing.
As with the measure affecting lawyers hired by the attorney general, the product liability measure appears to share language in common with a model bill developed by ALEC.
Silica claims limited
As with the other two sections of the bill, a measure aimed at requiring those suing to disclose more information when suing for health issues related to silica or asbestos exposure seems to share similarities with model legislation developed by ALEC.
"I'm just trying to understand why this serves any particular purpose at all," said Sen. Fletcher Hartsell, R-Cabarrus.
Hartsell said that plaintiffs already had to disclose information related to other legal actions in which they may be involved upon request.
Jackson said, in some instances, that disclosure wasn't happening, citing a case known as Garlock Sealing Technologies.
But that citation raises more questions, since the Garlock case is in federal court.
"The concern is this is widespread," said Chris Smith, the immediate past president of the North Carolina Association of Defense Attorneys. "Yes, you're required to answer under oath, but it's just not happening."
He called the Garlock case "stunning" and said the state law could give lawyers extra teeth.
But asked by Hartsell how a state law could affect federal litigation, Smith said he was not an expert on the topic.
Barringer raised a question about why there were waiting periods in the bill that would require people suing for damages related to asbestos and silica-related diseases to wait 180 days to proceed with their claims.
"Many of these people are gravely ill," she said. "Is there a reason for the 180-day wait?"
Staff attorneys who drafted the bill said they were unsure of the reason, surmising it was to allow for discovery in a case.


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We recently moved from Southern California and we are looking for some great Mexican restaurants around Montgomery County.
Preferably real Mexican and not so much Tex-Mex. Habaneras, cactus burritos, crispy carnitas style, mole, crunchy chimis, and goat tacos, pozoles, would be awesome.
We have been to Tia Queta in Bethesda; Rio Grande, Pepitos, and Taco Bar in Gaithersburg; Mi Rancho in Silver Spring and Germantown; el Mexicano in Germantown and North Potomac/Darnestown; Taco Tecuba (decent carnitas) in Germantown; we even tried the Salvadorian restaurant Juanitas near Redland (shady grove Metro) and it was decent.
Any suggestions? Nothing fancy, just awesome spicy mexican food is all we are looking for... Thanks in advance.


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Police investigate stabbing at Stadium-Armory
(WJLA) - Metro Transit Police are investigating a stabbing at the Stadium-Armory station late Friday night.
WTOP reports a 19-year-old man was stabbed several times around 11:30 p.m. The man was conscious and breathing when he was transported to the hospital.
Officials say the stabbing happened as a result of a fight on an inbound Blue Line train that spilled out onto the train platform.
A juvenile was also stabbed in the hand, according to WTOP.
The station was closed for the rest of the night following the stabbing.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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Cambridge Comprehensive Plan
KAI worked as part of a multi-disciplinary team, led by Jakubiak and Associates, Inc., to provide transportation analysis on a Comprehensive Plan for Cambridge, MD. As part of the plan, KAI collected data on existing conditions, identified deficiencies in the transportation system, and assessed the impact of new development.
The results of the analysis showed a need for improved connectivity, pedestrian amenities, better enforcement of speed limits, streetscape improvements, and increased public transit service in order to accommodate new development. KAI presented the results of the study at a public meeting, and developed recommendations for the transportation system to support the community's development goals. The recommendations included both short- and long-term strategies.


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Hearing of the House Committee on the Judiciary- Jena 6 and the Role of Federal Intervention in Hate Crimes and Race-Related Violence in Public School
REP. HOWARD BERMAN (D-CA): Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I was wondering if there's a discordant two themes that sort of run against each other in this. I'm wondering if you could, Mr. Washington perhaps, or Professor Ogletree or Mr. Cohen, Reverend Moran, just resolve this for me.
On the one hand, we hear about all the efforts going on now for dialogue and reconciliation, the work of the Community Relations Service. And at the same time, we hear that the people of Jena and the leadership of Jena thinks of this as childish pranks, not something fundamentally indicative of racist views and feelings.
Professor Ogletree talks about the benefit of people learning the symbol of this noose, the history of lynchings in the South, the full implications of what that meant. Are these efforts at dialogue dealing with that? And if these dialogues are taking place, why is this view held that the people of Jena don't and the leadership of Jena don't fundamentally feel there's anything wrong?
I'd also like to hear from the people involved in coordinating this effort.
MR. WASHINGTON: I'll make just a brief comment, and it reminds me of Harriet Tubman, who was responsible for freeing so many slaves from the South to the North. And her famous statement was, "I could have freed a lot more if they realized they were slaves." And I think that tells us something about what's going on here. There is the unconscious bias that people don't realize there is a problem.
And I think that what's going on is good, but I would actually look forward to this committee's support to joining Mr. Washington in Jena and other places to have a dialogue and talk about the history of lynchings. That's not the children. It's the family. It's the community. And if you don't recognize you have a problem, you can't begin to address it, which is one of the major aspects.
And the second part is that I agree that there's a victim in this case who was brutally beaten, that the individuals who have been charged aren't saints or martyrs. They're young kids who were involved in conduct that needs to be addressed.
I think the fact that we have ignored the community's problems is what created this opportunity for disagreement. And I think what Richard Cohen and others are doing, I think that we can do something that we have expertise in to teach people how to think about race in ways that they probably have never thought was necessary. It's not just Michael Bell scoring a touchdown on the football field, which they all applaud, but seeing him as a young man who is more than the sum of the crime with which he's been charged.
REP. BERMAN: Mr. Washington.
MR. WASHINGTON: Yes, sir. The conflict of which you speak is, of course, not new. It exists all over the country, in my humble opinion. What we told the Jena folks in our first education forum earlier this year was that in these kinds of things, good people have to stand up and do the right thing and articulate very clearly what is right and what is wrong.
What didn't happen in the Jena community, when the nooses were hung, was just that. And so now we move forward with this idea of how do we solve this -- how do we go back in time, which we can't, but how do we, if this happens again, get people to say these kinds of things are wrong?
So I think Professor Ogletree is exactly right, that we have to keep talking about it, keep pushing with it. We can use the criminal justice system to a degree, but at the end of the day it is the blunt instrument which is really not appropriate for a long-term resolution in communities like Jena. And so this is going to be a little bit of an experiment for us, at least in my office and in the Civil Rights Division, but not in the CRS, I don't think.
REP. BERMAN: Let me just ask you; I have to interrupt. I only have another few seconds.
MR. WASHINGTON: I understand.
REP. BERMAN: Put aside the issue of juveniles. In your view, is the act -- is this act of hanging the noose a hate crime?
MR. WASHINGTON: Yes, it is a hate crime.
REP. BERMAN: Under existing federal law?
MR. WASHINGTON: Under existing federal law.
We have -- I think we stated that publicly. And we've not all been in agreement as to how strong the evidence is to support the elements to move forward. But yes, hanging a noose under these circumstances is a hate crime.
REP. BERMAN: Thank you.
Source: http://judiciary.house.gov/Oversight.aspx?ID=379


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2017-18 Kindergarten Registration
Attention, parents! Do you have a child who will be entering kindergarten in the Pendleton School District this fall? If so, mark your calendars for the annual Kindergarten Registration. Children entering kindergarten must be 5 on or before September 1, 2017.
- When: April 12 from 4pm-7pm and April 13 from 8am-7pm (a Spanish interpreter will be available from 5-7pm on both of these days.)
If you cannot attend the April 12-13th registration, please contact any elementary school or the PELC (541) 966-3300 for an informational packet.
- Where: Pendleton Early Learning Center, 455 SW 13th St.
Please bring your child's social security card, immunization record, and birth certificate. In addition, parents can download all of the necessary forms on PELC website, to fill out ahead of time to expedite their registration process during the Kindergarten Registration.


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LSNTAP Community Training Series - Creating an Accessible Website
Wednesday June 12
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Time: 1 pm ET / 12pm CT / 11 am MT/ 10 am PT
What are the straightforward steps that every organization should take to help those with disabilities access their website? What are things that make the difference between a site that's helpful and a site that's unusable to a part of your audience? What tools are available to help audit your website for these types of issues?
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Submitted to: Crop Science
Publication Type: Peer Reviewed Journal
Publication Acceptance Date: 8/22/2008
Publication Date: 1/28/2009
Publication URL: http://crop.scijournals.org/cgi/content/full/49/1/323
Citation: Skinner, D.Z. 2009. Phospholipase A2 activity during cold acclimation of wheat. Crop Sci. 49:323-328. DOI:10.2135/cropsci2008.06.0359 Interpretive Summary: Cold temperature is a significant stress factor impacting crop plant productivity. Understanding mechanisms involved in the response of plants to cold stress is essential to long-term crop improvement goals. In this research, the behavior of phospholipase A2, an enzyme that modifies components of plant cell membranes, was investigated in wheat plants undergoing cold acclimation and/or chilling stress. Activity of the enzyme increased earlier in the cold acclimation process in cold tolerant plants than in poorly cold tolerant plants. Enzyme activity also increased in partially acclimated, but not in fully acclimated plants, exposed to chilling stress. These results suggest that phospholipase A2 is an important component of the initial response mechanism to cold temperature in wheat plants, and differs significantly among plants with differing levels of cold tolerance, providing an avenue for plant improvement.
Technical Abstract: Phospholipase A2 (EC 220.127.116.11; PLA2) activity in wheat (Triticum aestivum L.) crown tissue from plants undergoing cold acclimation and/or chilling stress was investigated in a moderately cold tolerant winter wheat, a spring wheat, and a poorly cold tolerant winter wheat. Activity levels were investigated in plants that had been cold acclimated 0-4 weeks. In nonacclimated cold tolerant winter wheat, the level of PLA2 activity was significantly less than in the poorly cold tolerant winter wheat and the spring wheat, but then increased significantly during the first week of cold acclimation while remaining unchanged in the other two lines. All three wheat lines experienced increased levels of PLA2 activity during the second week of cold acclimation, but activity levels declined by the end of four weeks of acclimation. Chilling stress resulted in increased PLA2 activity levels in all wheat lines, but only in plants that had been acclimated for one week. Taken together, these data suggest PLA2 activity is involved in the initial response of plants to cold temperature, but not in responses to colder temperatures in acclimated plants.


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A multi-million pound confiscation hearing involving a Bradford company director has been further postponed until December 19.
Shahidur Chowdhury, 39, of Lindisfarne Road, Shipley, was sentenced to four months' imprisonment suspended for 12 months, with 200 hours of unpaid work, in November last year.
He pleaded guilty to 12 charges under the Trademark Act of selling counterfeit car accessories and possessing them with a view to selling.
The court heard the items were found by West Yorkshire Trading Standards officers in a warehouse on a business park in Essex Street, Bowling, Bradford.


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Hyderabad: Director General of Police (DGP) Anurag Sharma on Monday transferred the Himayatnagar doctor's shoot-out case to Central Crime Station (CCS), Hyderabad, following a request by Kanthi, wife of the deceased Dr Shashi Kumar.
The DGP directed the heads of both Commissionerates to transfer the case to CCS in the interest of brevity, clarity and to expedite the investigation
The shooting incident took place in Narayanguda under Hyderabad Commissionerate and the suicide in Moinabad under Cyberabad Commissionerate. Till now, both Commissionerates were handing the case in their own way. But, on the request of Kanthi to put both cases under one investigating agency, the DGP directed the heads of both Commissionerates to transfer the case to CCS in the interest of brevity, clarity and to expedite the investigation.
The shooting incident at Himayatnagar under Narayanguda Police Station limits was registered under Section 307 (Attempt to murder) of the IPC and the Arms Act after Dr Shashi Kumar opened fire at Dr Rachokonda Uday, his business partner, on February 8. After injuring Dr Uday, Dr Shashi went to his friend Chandrakala's house and asked her to drop him at her farmhouse at Nakkapally under Moinabad Police Station limits where he allegedly committed suicide with the same weapon.
A different case had been registered at Moinabad Police Station. Police sources said that CCS sleuths were awaiting FSL reports on both the cases to start the probe.
Courtesy: Metro India