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Now obviously I am an outsider when it comes to US gun issues. As a Canadian, I have a different perspective on the firearm debates, and some posters are right when they say that Canada is an over-regulated country-a nanny state with some restrictions on freedom of speech. Consequently some of the fight may have been beaten out of me because of my place of birth in a forgive-him-for he knows not what he-does (or says) kind of way. But the beauty of a Farago site is that even foreigners can enjoy a freedom of expression, as long as they don't turn into name-calling a***oles. Anyway, the debate about mega-clips caught my attention. The concept of anybody outside of a war zone that actually needs a 30 round clip plumb evades me . . .
Sure I would like to be able to match capacity with a psycho with a big clip and an even bigger mentally unbalanced chip on his shoulder. That is a worst-case scenario that is a no-brainer. At a basic level, we are all survivalists in a fight or flight kind of way.
But the actual need for a giant clip is still a head-scratcher for me. Most of the posters on this site seem to be responsible and insightful gun owners. And I am not saying that simply because you are much better armed than me.
It also seems like most of you are pretty good with your weapons of choice. So why would you need a 30 round clip if your accuracy with a weapon would take out a bad guy in a regulation clip? My assumption is that most situations would not be against a small army of bad guys.
The answer seems to be that any ground given on gun issues is ground lost forever. The second answer seems to come from the Boy Scout mantra: Be prepared. Both answers have a certain degree of validity to them.
But if I saw a guy walking along with a 30 mag addition to his pistol, I would avoid that guy like a plague. That just seems like overkill to me in more than one sense.
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You are making the unwarranted assumption that your opposition will only be one person.
I counted more than thirty in that video. So at least two 30rd magazines and that's if your real good.
2 things.
1. Mobs are cowards. Once you start shooting, most will run away.
2. BETA C-Mags
Bubba I live in Jersey stop teasing.
Jim, I'd ask, what's a "regulation clip"?
For a intermediate cartridge rifle (AR, AK) it's 30 rds. For a "battle rifle" type rifle (FAL, AR-10) it's 20 rds. A 1911 is 7-8 rds while a Glock 17 is 17 rds. A pistol caliber carbine is around 30 rds, and a PS90 is 50 rds.
Tactics determine what's acceptable magazine capacity. I can understand saying a pistol magazine that extends past the pistol grip may be excessive, however, if you're carrying a pistol, one should not handicap themselves if there's room in the grip for more.
Excessive for practicality comes when it's no longer feasible for THAT specific purpose. Concealed carry of a G17 with G18 mags is excessive. A bedstand G17 with a G18 mag is prudent. One can blather on about being accurate, but until one's adrenaline is pumping and they must fire shots in anger, you can't make an abstract judgement of mag limit capacity. Plus, how many aggressors are you facing? Will a 5-shot wheelgun be enough when 5 dudes kick down your door? You better be be so good you make head shots on every person.
The whole arguement is moot however. People who wish to limit mag capacity don't want you to have guns period, and cloak themselves in "sensible". Those gun owners who conceed to 10 rd mags are compromisers. You can't put abstract limits on magazines when limits are determined by weapon style, use, and situation.
And, one more note, your "warzone" arguement. In addition to the self-defense arguements above, our 2A is purposed to give civilians the ability to own fighting weapons. The fact that one doesn't see use outside of a combat zone is one of the best reasons to own (so-called) "high-cap" magazines. I have a constitutuional right to own a mortar or 40mm M203 as well, even though they have no self-defense purpose.
"I have a constitutuional right to own a mortar or 40mm M203 as well, even though they have no self-defense purpose."
If you are referring to the United States Constitution, no, you don't. You're way out beyond the lunatic fringe of constitutional theory on that one.
You're right–it's not a right. It's just not prohibited, Constitutionally.
@magoo you best do a little more reading. The 2 Amendment does say we are the MILITIA for the USA. We are not supposed to have a standing army. Adult males from 16 to 45 are the army. We are supposed to have what would be considered MILITARY type weapons. READ SOME MORE!
Right to own military weapons (or high-capacity magazines)? During the American Revolution, merchants risked their lives and their privately owned vessels (which were necessarily equipped with privately-owned state-of-the-art cannon, mortar, powder, shot and muskets) to run the British blockades. To suggest the Framers of our Constitution would have willing placed any restrictions upon the type of weapons/powder/shot/military accoutrements that private individuals might "keep and bear" in order to assist in this fight for survival against tyranny is patently ludicrous.
Additionally, one might ask the Korean/American businessmen (during the Los Angeles riots), who found themselves and their buisnesses threatened by fire-bomb-weilding mobs, exactly what limitations they would be willing to accept on the number of live rounds their personal armaments should be able to contain. Needless to say, the police forces who were unwilling to enter the area to "protect and serve" the abandoned businessmen and their failies shouldn't be given a voice in that decision.
Note: SCOTUS has consistently ruled the police are not responsible for your safety…or mine.
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." – George Washington, Commander Continental Armed Forces, U.S. President, British Traitor
Privately owned cannons figured importantly in the Revolutionary War. There is one on display (with the owner's name engraved on it) at the top of the Bunker Hill Monument in Boston.
That such weapons were in private hands was well known to the framers of the Constitution. The Second Amendment was written to preserve this right, not to create it — hence, it should apply to all weapons, period.
People also had privately owned warships — that's why Article I, Section 8, paragraph 11 of the U.S. Constitution authorizes Congress to "grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal…"
The Framers of the Constitution were, in the Second Amendment, trying to preserve the right of the people to be armed — not armed less effectively than the government, or armed for small game hunting, etc.
The explicit purpose of the Second Amendment, according to many writings of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, etc., was to keep the government "fearful of the people", as they judged this to be the most effective method of maintaining liberty.
While there may be a number of (currently) free countries that prohibit civilian ownership of firearms to one degree or another, there are no tyrannies that neglect to disarm the public.
Magoo, you do not know the history of the COTUS or the wording of the Second Amendment . The 2nd, says nothing about personal defence not one word,What it does say is "For The Security of a Free State", How can Freemen and Women stay Free without the tools to do so. Also the U.S. Government did sell and loan CANNON to the earliest Western Settlers when this country expanded to the Western Pennsylvania and Kentucky, and Indiana Setelments.
Anyone who doesn't feel they need a hi cap mag should just buy standard mags, and those of us who like variety will buy what ever we please. There are to many gun grabbers who love telling us all how we should run our lives.
We have to start somewhere so let's start here: Put the kibosh on extended magazines for the Glock. Standard capacity is plenty for civilians and 99.9 percent of all law enforcement applications. If you need more, your target acquisition skills should be under serious review. These mags are not even available over the counter in most of the civilized world; only in America and some third-world countries.
Define "plenty". Is six plenty and seven criminal; or is 17 plenty and 18 criminal, or …
That's a false argument, isn't it? In nearly all issues of regulation, precise numbers are to some degree arbitrary. Why 18 to vote? Maybe 18 years, 9 months is better. A practical point to place a limit on pistol magazine capacity is with the standard magazine. As in no extended magazines permitted.
What would be really great is if this could be accomplished without legislation. Like if gun enthusiasts rose up and said: We don't want this antisocial garbage in our sport. We're not buying it. It offends our standards of social responsibility and reflects badly on us among the general public, making us look like a bunch of infantile lunatics. Go sell that crap somewhere else.
Here's a false argument…
Because a line *could* be drawn, a line *should* be drawn.
The correct argument is, line drawers bear the burden of proof to show the place they draw their line is appropriate, within the power of the government, and solves more problems than it causes.
"I don't like it" isn't a legal argument and never has been.
It's not a false argument at all. Why do citizens only need "standard capacity"? Why don't they only need 10 rounds? Or only 5? Or only 1? Next we'll hear "Why does anyone need a semi-auto?" "Why does anyone need more than a single-shot shotgun?"
If the goal is supposedly to keep big magazines out of the hands of criminals, then I'd have to ask how that ban on certain drugs and other things has been going.
It offends you, and those of us who want hi cap mags don't really care if your offended (or any other gun hater). You gun grabbers need to worry about running your own lives and leave us alone.
McGoo, that "…reflects badly on us with the general public" argument is a slippery slope of the worst sort. With friends like you, who needs enemies. Do me a favor: don't be on my side!
"When you sit down to negotiate on what you already have, you lose." – Rep. Marie Parente
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." – Thomas Pynchon (Gravity's Rainbow)
So the standard magazine capacity for a Glock 21 is 13. The standard capacity for a Glock 30 is 10, but the G21 mag will fit in the G30 but extends past the mag well. Would this then be illegal in your misguided world. It is a "standard" capacity magazine after all.
We have to start somewhere so let's start here:
Where are you going with that limit? To hell in a handbasket.
Put the kibosh on extended magazines for the Glock. Standard capacity is plenty for civilians and 99.9 percent of all law enforcement applications.
So it's okay with you if we have 30 round AR magazines? But a 30 round Glock magazine should get prison time?
If you need more, your target acquisition skills should be under serious review.
One can acquire the target in zero shots. However, paper targets need a great many shots before they are lifeless.
These mags are not even available over the counter in most of the civilized world; only in America and some third-world countries.
Since others are less free we should be less free too?
There are some dry counties in America still – they don't even sell that poison called alcohol – shouldn't we all be as "civilized" as those who treat a beer like a mugging?
No, Magoo. We're not starting anywhere. We "started" in 1934 and it's all downhill on the slippery slope since then. I'm not in the mood to give another inch.
The "need" for a 30-round or a 100-round mag is completely irrelevant. Thomas Jefferson is going to come out of his grave and start beating people with a shovel if they don't get the concept that the Second Amendment does not contain any exceptions. Not any. If they wanted exceptions, they would have put them there. And any restrictions that were placed on that right by subsequent legislation are:
a) completely without merit legally, a product of judges and their larvae, the lawyers.
b) a symptom of a government that want to hold your arms while bad guys gut you like a fish.
Thomas Jefferson had no role in writing the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. He was in Paris in those years serving as U.S. Minister to France. But I guess I can sort of follow what you mean… must be like that bit in Animal House where Bluto says the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor.
But in any case, Jefferson would be amazed to hear that the Second Amendment has no exceptions or is not subject to regulation. As would the rest of the founders, especially Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights. That would be genuine news to them.
Again – the only limits are on ACTUAL abuses.
Not things that COULD lead to abuses.
Nope, we've had gun control regulations since the birth of the republic — or Jeffersonian democracy, as you prefer.
Naturally, as firearms became more powerful and effective, the regulations have been formulated in reply. Essentially, the 1934 act was enacted in response to the Thompson Submachine gun. People don't get any smarter or more responsible, on the whole, while firearms technology ever advances. If you think about it for a second, a Glock with an extended magazine and modern ammo has more effective killing power than the Thompson.
What ARE you smoking Magoo? You have a very selective view of history, one that obviously clouds your opinions.
The 1934 Gun Control Act was NOT in response to the Thompson, but in response to the criminals using them to murder other criminals during the immoral "War On Alcohol", another government program that did nothing but give rise to organized crime. As a typical anti, you conflate the matter with an inanimate object instead of the unsocial behavior of a few.
The 9mm Glock handgun with an extended (30 round) magazine has more effective killing power than a .45 ACP Thompson submachine gun with a 100 round magazine? Really? On what bizarro planet is that?
Based on your postings, you are neither a gun owner nor do you know much about the history of these united States.
Perhaps you haven't really considered the comparison until now. Essentially, it comes down to 33 rounds of 21st-century JHP vs 20/30 rounds of 1934 ball ammo. There were drum mags for the TSMG (some models) but they had significant feed problems and eliminate any possibility of concealment.
And yet the drum mags were still used by both federal and criminal elements…
don't tell me you've never heard of a violin or cello case…
Plus ammo technology hasn't really changed much over the past century – a bullet is still a bullet and you wouldn't want to get shot no matter what.
Magoo, again you are WRONG the 1934 Lawabout what CRIMINALS were doing not what most people were doing. Why is it that gun grabers want to infringe on my rights for the actios of criminals.
Fortunately, Mr. Magoo, it is not up to you. BTW, your terms are a bit mixed up: A "standard" capacity Glock 17 magazine is 17 rounds. A "limited" or "restricted" capacity magazine is 10. Your arguments reveal the despotism in your character as well as your lack of education. Given your comments, I find it impossible to assign any credibility to you whatsoever.
High capacity magazine ban isn't so much about the magazine itself but the potential segway that allowing it gives to those who seek to remove guns all together. It becomes a slippery slope once the gun control advocates start to gain traction with new legislation on guns. Since it is unlikely that a new brady bill will be allowed through a Republican house, they will try the death by a thousand cuts method and pick around the periphery of guns until there is nothing left.
How about a slightly different perspective. Fun. Guns are fun. The biggest kick for me isn't self-defense, or 2nd amendment, it's loading a 50 round extended clip in my Ruger 10-22 (.22 rimfire rifle) and mowing down the opposition in quick fashion. Of course the opposition consists of those fascist tin cans, pinko commie clay pigeons, dastardly paper plates, and the worst of the worst, that damn swinging pendulum thang where, if I time it and hit it just right, I can get it swinging end over end repeatedly. When faced with this onslaught, 10 round mags just don't cut it.
There simply isn't a good enough reason to deny me this fun. It won't make any statistical difference to crime prevention, it won't make the police any safer, it won't stop the mass murderers at all. Why limit me for nothing? I'm not facing the tin can army with a puny 10 rounder just so you can feel (falsely) safer.
How about we start the discussion by getting our terms right? Unless you're shooting a Garand or something similar, they're magazines. It may be a minor point, but not knowing enough to use the proper name for the thing you're writing about diminishes your credibility from the start.
As for the, um, arguments you make against what I can only assume is any magazine that holds more than ten rounds, let's take them one at a time, shall we?
1) You acknowledge the need to match capacity with a potential attacker, then immediately dismiss it as "a head-scratcher" apparently because this is merely a worst-case scenario. True, most of us will never face "a psycho with a big clip" but does that mean no one should be allowed to adequately defend himself in that situation?
2) Then there's the accuracy argument. Because most of us seem to be "pretty good with (our) weapons of choice" we should apparently be able to dispatch attackers with no more than an accurately placed shot or two, then pause to blow the smoke from our barrels and mix another shaken-not-stirred martini.
I've never been in a combat situation and it seems clear you haven't, either. I've read enough to know, however, that humans under stress, no matter how well-trained, experience increased heart rate, tunnel vision and reduced hand-eye coordination. All of which blasts their otherwise Annie Oakley-like shooting skills all to hell. That means you're not going to be able to shoot a fly off an ear if your home is invaded at three in the morning
And what about the lesser-trained among us? Should the granny defending herself from the coked-up home invader be limited in rounds, too? Or would you impose a progressive 'tax' on firepower whereby shooters are limited to smaller magazines as their skills increase?
3) Then you , er, address two of the pro arguments; the camel's nose under the tent and the Boy Scout motto. Dismissively conceding that there's "a certain degree validity" to both of them won't have anyone pushing others out of the way in order to jump on the 'reasonable capacity' capacity bandwagon. These are, in fact, the two most prominent reasons those of us opposed to the limits fight so hard against them.
Our second amendment freedoms are a constant source of wonderment and ridicule to those from other lands. They knowingly shake their heads and take comfort in their elevated, more evolved and refined societies. I have an idea. Why don't you simply choose to live and be well in your violence-free utopia? Leave America and its neanderthal inhabitants to our barbaric, wild-west traditions. I'm sure, given our gun culture, we'll soon kill ourselves off and leave all of this to sophisticates such as yourself who can then bring civilization to a country that has so sorely been missing it.
Nicely said, 2yellowdogs.
When you consent to " need" the game is over. nobody "needs " a motorcycle, we have cars and busses. nobody "needs" a boat, leave the fish alone and stay on dry land , lots of people drown while boating. Once you allow somone else to decide what you "need " they are in complete control. Nobody "needs " alcohol,tobacco, fast cars, snomobiles, motorcycles, or silicone implants.
Look at Virginia tech or the tuscon tradgedy , have you ever noticed that there are a couple of common threads in these events.
1. clearly the Prerp. was a paranoid schitzophrenic that was Very well kown to be a menace but Never in treatment .
2. because None of the agencies that had delt with them had bothered to file the report they were not on the lists the FBI checks when doing a background check. If they had , the existing laws would have prevented a legal purchase of a firearm .
3. any police agency can detain you and ask a judge to have you remanded to a mental health facility for a manditory evaluation if they believe you are a threat to yourself or others. Judges almost NEVER refuse these requests. This was never done evev though these guys have long history of run ins with police.
So you tell me, why is the focus of the argument always ONLY gun laws ?
Here's a simple comment… how about convenience?
I regularly shoot a .22 semi-automatic rifle for fun and sport (Anniversary Ed. GSG5). It's truly a blast to shoot. My one complaint – it takes longer to load the magazines than it does to expend the ammunition (at a completely reasonable rate of fire in a controlled manner for sporting purposes).
Why should anyone care how many rounds of .22 I'm carrying in each magazine? Why is it anyone else's business? .. Don't use the answer "well, .22's can be an exception because they're .22.." … .22 is perfectly capable of killing..
Completely ignoring the "psychopath" issue, and focusing on the sporting aspect (ie: "no sportsman needs 30 rounds") .. "sport" doesn't ALWAYS mean trudging through the woods after game animals..
Also, in lieu of information published by the NTSB regarding "tired" driving and the number of car-related deaths each year that result from driving tired, I insist that we legislate restrictions on the size of gas tanks. No vehicle should be able to travel more than 50 miles without refueling. The added stops will help to keep our drivers awake, reduce "tired" driving.. and save lives. .. To hell with convenience of long-distance driving without refueling stops, the lives of our citizens are more important!!
What miforest said.
Basically this comes down to that its no business of the government or anyone else to tell me what I need or should need. If you don't want a 30 round magazine for your Glock, don't buy one. If you do, go ahead and knock yourself out. But never allow the politicians, the ATF, or anyone else try to define what you need in a firearm or firearm accesssory. After all, the final position that these folks will arrive at is that no one needs a gun.
What would be really great is if this could be accomplished without legislation. Like if gun enthusiasts rose up and said: We don't want this antisocial garbage in our sport.
What is anti-social about target practice and home defense?
We're not buying it. It offends our standards of social responsibility and reflects badly on us among the general public, making us look like a bunch of infantile lunatics. Go sell that crap somewhere else.
Why would we suffer from your delusions?
But if I saw a guy walking along with a 30 mag addition to his pistol, I would avoid that guy like a plague. That just seems like overkill to me in more than one sense.
And if you saw someone at the range with 30 round magazines for their Glock, SKS, or AR?
I've been around firearms all my life. There was a time when extended magazines and suchlike were considered nutcase hardware at the range or the gun clubs. They were the idiots, and folks tended to keep away from them. However, today that junk and the infantile mindset that goes with it is increasingly the norm. Traditional shooters — hunters, outdoor sportsmen — are aging and dying off, replaced with a new wave of gun enthusiasts obsessed with self-defense and wingnut politics. For the most part, these people can't shoot, can't think for themselves, and have a poor understanding of weapons science and firearms history. I am thinking of a word… wankers.
I wonder what the single shot musket guys thought about the repeaters, when they hit the scene.
Same as the "Fuds" think today.
"Damn those young whippersnappers! In my day we had one shot, 2 minutes of horsing around reloading, and then it probably didn't shoot again! And we liked it!"
Magoo's argument isn't an argument about utility, nor about law, nor even about morality. It's an argument about class. If you were the "good sort" like him, you wouldn't WANT those terrible modern gun things. You'd be perfectly happy with a nice expensive wood stocked hunting rifle. He, like many on the left, believes that "High" capacity mags and "Assault Weapons" are signifiers of your innate moral and social corruption.
" a new wave of gun enthusiasts obsessed with self-defense and wingnut politics"
He's like many other old farts pissed off that the younger crowd isn't looking to him for direction.
I've been around firearms all my life. There was a time when extended magazines and suchlike were considered nutcase hardware at the range or the gun clubs.
I've been around phones all my life. There was a time when cell phones and such were considered drug dealer hardware.
They were the idiots, and folks tended to keep away from them.
No, actually they were the "early adopters", the people who saw a great product and realized it's value well ahead of the mainstream.
However, today that junk and the infantile mindset that goes with it is increasingly the norm.
Yes, that's how the technology adoption curve works.
Traditional shooters — hunters, outdoor sportsmen — are aging and dying off, replaced with a new wave of gun enthusiasts obsessed with self-defense and wingnut politics.
To a certain degree – but there are also numerous reports of traditionalists trading in one of their hunting rifles for a black rifle.
For the most part, these people can't shoot, can't think for themselves, and have a poor understanding of weapons science and firearms history. I am thinking of a word… wankers.
What word would you use to describe an old person who rejects new technology solely because it is new and unfamiliar to them?
Hmmm? Since the definition of "infringed" remains the same today as it was in the 18th century when the Bill of Rights was ratified, one wonders exactly what part of "shall not be infringed" remains beyond your comprehension, McGoo?
Recently we saw a video of a shootout at a police station. The bad guy was armed with a shotgun. The four police who were involved were armed with their service pistols. I have no idea how many round were fired, but it took all four of those guns to bring the bad guy down. So, please, don't tell me what I need to defend myself, because it insults my intelligence and make you look stupid.
You brought up that example before I could. Man, that's some crazy video. If "highly-trained officers of the law" needed that many rounds to fight One Guy At Point-Blank Range, then regular citizens should probably be carrying 50-round Glocks to be safe.
Laser sights should not be allowed on weapons either! They can cause blindness!! (gasp!!)
… let's wisen up a bit people.
Does anyone legitimately believe that make high capacity magazines illegal is going to deter someone hell bent on doing something … ILLEGAL.. from using them?
"Ohh I better not use a 30 round magazine to rob this bank .. they're illegal! I wouldn't want to break the law!"
Jim, I just want to say thanks for opening yourself up to this discussion. We don't often have people who ask why we want/need 30 round mags who aren't actively pushing an agenda to take them away.
One possible use is breakdown of law and order. For those who say it can't happen in this country, I point you to Katrina and its aftermath. Or a situation like what is taking place in Egypt, where when the police abandoned their posts, neighborhoods banded together to form their own militias/police force. Or one of the big riots that has happened in major cities across this country. In such cases I would like to have the chance to persuade any mobs/looters to seek an easier target.
Home defense. Home invasions are rare, and ones with 3 or more bad guys even more so. However, they do happen and they are pretty high up on the list of things that don't want to be unprepared for. And no one comes out of these situations wishing they didn't have any extra ammo.
Sports. 3-gun, IDPA, etc. may not be recognized by the ATF as sports yet, but their own shotgun study points out that their popularity rival that traditional sports like clay shooting. Many more people use these magazines for sport instead of spree shootings.
And last, but what may honestly be the most common is fun. Loading mags isn't really fun. Sending 30 rounds down range in a single string is. 67dodgeman is on to something. Against the hordes of tin cans and other plinking targets, nothing beats a big mag. Except a lot of big mags.
And these reasons intermix with one another. I believe that the reason many of us get so riled up against so-call "common sense" measures is that guns are a passion for us. To many of us they represent a major source of fun, a way to challenge ourselves in a sport, a way to defend your way of life and your beliefs, and your last line of defense against the unthinkable.
Some people look at a gun and see a harbinger of death and sorrow. Others look at a gun and see another tool, like a drill or saw. And there are many of us, who look at a gun and see an incarnation and symbol of life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness.
We recently saw video of a shootout at a police station. The bad guy was armed with a little .20 gauge shotgun. The four police involved in the shooting were armed with their service pistols. I don't know how many shots were fired, but it took all four guns to put the bad guy down. So, pretty please, don't tell me what I "need" to defend myself, because it insults my intelligence and makes you look stupid.
Here's a thought, why not focus our efforts on the criminals, rather than the tools they use?
Theoretical argument: let's say absolutely every firearm of any type, every "destructive device," every magazine of any size, every clip (can't forget those clips!), every bullet, every shell casing (this is starting to remind me of "How the Grinch Stole Christmas!) ….even every gun accessory (yes, even my beloved UpLula! 🙂 was confiscated and destroyed …for our safety. There! That should do it! No more crime!
But aren't we forgetting something …oh yeah, gotta get the knives off the street …and out of grandma's cupboard (you know, the one we use to cut the turkey every year …that one too! ….and don't forget those electric knives …criminals can be pretty crafty sometimes!). Okay, so we repeat the same process for knives that we did with ATFE stuff in the preceding paragraph. There! That should do it! Now, we'll have no more crime on our streets!!! 🙂
"….uh ….excuse me sir, do you have a license for that putting wedge???" Really, stop the insanity !!! Will baseball bats be next??? Sheesesh!
"But the actual need for a giant clip is still a head-scratcher for me."
Start here: The main purpose of The Second Amendment is not about sport shooting or self-defense.
Here's another example: during WW2, the British government put ads in U.S. magazines asking private citizens to ship over their private firearms because Britain feared invasion and didn't have enough guns. U.S. citizens responded, and were promised their guns back. After the war, the British government destroyed those guns and went back to keeping its citizens defenseless. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
I agree that the "need" argument is not a good one. If the larger magazines are banned it will be because of those increased lethality arguments. I'm not big on the either, but I can see that it's not about needs it's about wants.
What does need have to do with this? If you don't need a standard capacity magazine, why doesn't Canada lead the way and ban all magazines? Why not just use revolvers and single shot rifles?
I have to get back to linking .308 for my M1919 BMG. I'm up to 175 by hand. My thumbs hurt.
Why do the hoplophobic gun grabbers get to decide standard capacity? For the Glock 17, a 17 round mag IS standard. For the G19, a 15 round IS standard. These ARE NOT large capacity magazines.
Let the market decide. Let me decide for myself.
Silly. How could a simple, bitter clinger like you possibly make an intelligent decision about what what you want and need? Leave it to your betters. They're much more urbane and educated (or credentialed, at least) and therefore are in a much better position to make those kinds of decisions for all of us.
i already posted this on the last hi-cap discussion, but i am surprised that being from canada you wouldn't understand MY reason for wanting hi caps. although nobody should NEED any justification, here is another reason that hasn't been brought up here:
"i go hiking & climbing in remote areas sometimes and am more concerned about the 4 legged threats than humans. last time i was out there were 3 wolf/dog have breeds (beautiful creatures btw) that ran within 100yrds of us & i was definitely worried because i had a dog with me. if they DID threaten our safety, would i have felt safe with ONLY 10rds in my mag? that would leave me with just over 3 rounds per, and you WILL miss if they are charging. I know that i would not have time to reload. what if there are 4, 5 or 6? SCREWED is what i'd be…
now the only reason i don't carry a 30 rounder is because it is too unwieldy but you better believe i have more than 10, in fact i have double that.
what about hunters gathering their kill? they need a sidearm for protection and wolf packs have been known to threaten and attack if hungry. you'll need as MANY rounds as you can get against a pack of them or feral dogs. unfortunately many of those guys are not on this website to provide you with their reasons for needing adequate protection in the wild, but it IS a need.
what about putting that 30 rd mag in a pistol caliber carbine? truth is very few people have been murdered with these hi-cap (30 plus) mags because they make it difficult to conceal the pistol in the first place, yet there are many who actually DO benefit from having that capacity."
It's nice to not have to spend too much time reloading when you're at the range that charges by the hour.
"Why does anyone need a 30-round magazine?"
"Why does anyone need a car with more than 100 horsepower?"
"Why does any woman need the ability to get an abortion?"
"Why does anyone need indoor plumbing?"
"Why does anyone need a TV larger than 32-inches?"
The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting, target shooting, etc. Its about we the people( and in 1790's that meant all able bodied people), able to defend against a tyranical government. That means we the people should have(keep) all the weapons to be carried(bare) that the Federal military has. It is estimated that Governments after citizen disarmament has killed 140,000,000 in the 20th century. Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc. Yes and you think it can't happen here. Your wrong. You just don't understand the full range of human abilities.
Thus the military has 100 rd beta mags, I have 100 rd beta mag. Its never been used for anything but fun. Never will be unless the drug gang that lives about 1 mile away breaks into my house. Thenn who knows how many rds we may need.
"The concept of anybody outside of a war zone that actually needs a 30 round clip plumb evades me . . ."
Does anyone really NEED 42 brands of toothpaste? Does anyone really NEED 14 brands of coffee? Does anyone really NEED 30 brands of automobile? Does anyone really NEED 18 airlines? These things all do basically the same thing so why don't we just have the government tell us what we really NEED and have done with it? Sure would be easier having the "experts" tell us what we NEED and not having to decide for ourselves.
People who have been convinced by their educators, government and media, that the government should always be in charge, make all decisions, and always be consulted about everything, have at best, only a rudimentary understanding of freedom and liberty.
That corrupted understanding, influences everything they think, do and say for the rest of their lives. That is the intent of those who succeeded in corrupting their thought processes. They then become WILLING servants. Willing servants are so much easier to control and predict.
The question isn't whether I need a 30-round mag, the question is whether the government is justified in telling me that I can't have a 30-round mag. And the fundamental principle is that the government is only justified in telling me that I cannot own a 30-round mag if it has specific evidence that my possessing a 30-round mag would present a threat.
That is, not that there's some statistical threat if "people" were allowed to own 30-round mags, but that I, as an individual, would pose a threat. The idea that one person's freedoms can be restricted based on vague fears about what someone else might do should be anathema to everyone who cares about individual liberty.
The debate over the 2nd amendment in the US began with the 'The Address and Reasons of Dissent of the Minority of the Convention of Pennsylvania to their Constituents", December 12, 1787. Which includes:
"the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals".
The only justification for limiting the right to keep and bear arms of any individual, in any way, is that that specific individual poses a threat.
And as a further to it; there's generally only two reason why a government will generally try to enact further and further restrictive gun laws.
1) Publicity in order to stay in power.
2) Because the government see's the people as a threat.
LEt me ask U a question, Canadian: Why the preoccupation with an object? and THIS object at that?
Were u this way as a child? seriously… no pun. 'Fixated' & obsessed… {anal-retentive}.
Why not fixate on REAL issues, like the advance of socialism in your country (& AMerica); Why O' cant show a Birth certificate, or why the 2nd Amendment -a CIVIL not 'gov't-granted' Right- REALLY EXISTS!!
{Hint: Its not for Sporting reasons}
As we say in AMerica: GET A LIFE!! : )
Guns are not all about "Defense" and "Combat Training", they are also about (get this) fun. It seems pretty silly to deny law abiding citizens the thrill of unloading 30 rounds in a row, when obviously a criminal will not abide by these laws. So, essentially the government is denying a non-criminal, tax payer his or her way of enjoying his or her time. I'm not going to go tell a hobby photographer to limit his photo roll to 5 exposures. It's a freedom issue. A Law abiding citizen SHOULD be trusted, until the individual proves otherwise. Once again, a gun owner is not a criminal, and if you look at the actual numbers, almost all gun owners are outstanding citizens that are simply enjoying a hobby. Criminals are criminals (What a crazy concept?), and they don't care about magazine limits. It's a fairly simple concept and it's incredible Canadian politicians have missed this point.
As a Canadian? I am ashamed at my fellow countryman succombing to the disease of pussification, lackatestes and lackogunknowledgeitis.
He also doesn't speak for me.
Right on Nightmare. I am saddened and sickened whenever I read such utter stupidity coming from another human being.
Definitely, does not speak for me or mine.
here are a few things to consider when reading the above article/drivel
Mag cap restrictions DID NOT EXIST PRIOR TO 1991!!!!
Does that mean in 1990 "hi cap" mags where Canadian?
Social engineering at its finest!
Also I thought intent was everything not ownership.
This twat is the net end result of 40 years of Liebral progressive educational system. Our erstwhile Prime Minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau eradicated the teaching of English History in our schools. He was a card carrying Communist that seduced a nation and hijacked a National Party. The damage is done and today we are fighting to regain what we lost at the hands of his minions.
We in Canada have the English Bill of Rights as part of our Constitution which the poobahs have worked over time at keeping a secret. We also have a Country full of people that just don't get the concept of Freedom and individual rights that are inherent and self evident. Its not their fault they just were not born to the idea like we that come from British stock or that grew up in freedom and democracy.
The twat blathers on about mag capacity yet unbeknown to him we can legally own grenade launchers, if he did I'm sure he would wet his pants.
Frankly there are those of us more than a little concerned about the spread of socialism in our Country and the absolute "silliness" that pervades the political landscape of our land. We could use about 10 million more immigrants. Immigrants from the U.S. 🙂 "sales pitch" we have lots of land and plenty of jobs 🙂
Magoo states:
"Guns are not toys, gags, photo props, or signifiers of sexual prowess."
What's your point? All gun owners know they are not toys. The construct about sexual prowess is a moot one as well: anyone would be willing to concede that point as they would about cars. "A Lamborghini is not an indicator of sexual prowess." Sure. What's your point?
Gun owners don't think these things either, so mixing in this little bit of straw-man bigotry to your argument doesn't do it any favours.
The jist of your article seems to be, "I don't know anything about firearms, but I'm more than willing to restrict people that do, based on the following ill-considered preconceptions. Ill-considered because, well, I can summon up the will to pen a notioned article about "clips", but obviously can't be bothered to do any research on magazines.".
Whoops. I think I've mixed up Magoo with the author of the OP. Apologies for that.
The jist of the article seems to be, "I don't know anything about firearms, but I'm more than willing to restrict people that do, based on the following ill-considered preconceptions. Ill-considered because, well, I can summon up the will to pen a notioned article about "clips", but obviously can't be bothered to do any research on magazines.".
I don't know why gun nuts are so captivated by the whole clip vs. magazine thing. Seems rather juvenile to focus on such a relatively trivial matter of semantics — makes one suspect that might be all you have.
I wouldn't feel so superior to the anti-gun crowd based simply on a grasp of the nomenclature. There is just as much bad information and outright bullshit regarding firearms inside the gun culture as outside it. For sheer volume, undoubtedly more so.
I am a Canadian sport shooter and here is the reason why I would prefer to be able to use my 30 round magazines in my CZ858 rifle instead of having them pinned at 5 rounds.
A couple of weekends ago I went on a tac shoot day at the range. I shot approximately 500 rounds. This means that with 5 round magazines I had to change magazines and reload 100 times. This takes allot of fun out of the sport.
One of the practices we do is to go through a course and shoot 28 targets twice each. Instead of changing mags once I have to stop and change over 10 times. I now have to carry pouches of spare magazines all over the place instead of just two. I spend much more time changing mags and reloading than I do shooting. This is in one short timed course. This is just ridiculous and makes the sport very frustrating.
If the purpose of the pinned magazines is to prevent someone going on a rampage then the policy makes no sense either. The mags Canadians use are high capacity mags with a small aluminum pop rivet stopping the follower at 5 rounds. To convert my mags from 5 to 30 rounds will take literally two seconds. All you do is pull out the pin. The only reason I don't do it is because I am a law abiding citizen. Do you really expect someone planning a mass killing to not pull out the pin?
They are already breaking the law that says do not kill people, do you really think they care about the law that says do not remove the pin from your magazine?
All this law does is frustrate legal shooters like myself and give people ignorant of how magazines and firearms work a false sense of security.
I enjoy the shooting , and hunting sports.Let me tell you a little story, 1995 I met my wife's great uncle in Moscow WII VET , lucky because broke his leg , he did not serve in the front . Became a Communist professor MOSCOW UNNIVERSATY. While having a nice meal with his wife and son he mentioned something very funny to me. He said Canada is a Cummunist Country, he even showed @ give gave me Five paper back books he wrote about communism. My wife hates guns , I have all the tools I need if anything should arise. EXAMPLE US PHONY drug war , more people use more drugs 40000 dead America, Mexican border , mostly mexican. Secret treaties the world is going crazy. I think your crazy not having what you need living in this dream world screwd up Cop's @ Military personnel.` Keep our powder dry and have a nice day.
I am also a Canadian sport shooter, collector, hunter, & I generally just really like guns. A lot of good replies on here about the non-sense of pinned mags. I have used both pinned and un-pinned mags… and un-pinned mags are clearly more fun, practical, economical, safe, and above all has nothing to do with public safety.
Citizens who are "scaaaweeed" of the big bad gun with the 75 drum magazine should feel safe that as HONEST citizens anyone can buy a 75 drum magazine as long as it has been capped to 5 rounds………..because yknow only CRIMINALS or would be MANIACS would pull out that capping pin or remove that modification which also doubles the cost of all magazines for good honest Canadian citizens. It's also great to know what by "sometimes" preventing these pesky people from removing the pins/caps we also make these magazines un-repairable. That's ok…. many of these anti's are also Smart phone users, they enjoy shelling out hundreds of dollars on junk that only will last a year. I'm also sure that these nasty Criminals won't just make their own magazines or buy them in the USA then just bring them over to Canada via the black market which is BOOMING lately……I wonder why.
If an Honest law abiding citizen wants to shoot their semi-auto anything at the range, why should we allow them to have fun, instead we should make them painfully make every shot of those 5 count before they have to tediously change magazines……..all the anti-gun/never fired a gun/will never own a gun feel good about themselves types should FEEEEEEEL SAFE in their "gun free zones" knowing all those law abiding criminals will stay away because they are so law abiding, just like all the crazy nuts who went on a shooting rampage in a Gun Free Zone racking up huge death tolls. When they take their last gasp of precious air, they should FEEEEEL good knowing all those "creepy gun owners" an their 5 round magazines are safe FAAAAARRR away on some field way outside the city, on a farm, at a shooting range plinking away at paper targets & tin cans with their SAFE/boring 5 round magazines
An it should be nice for anti's to know that all these laws & regulations that carry insane hefty fines & prison sentences now make all law abiding citizens one "slip" away from a possible 20 year sentence by any Cop/Judge & the thousands of dollars in legal fees to fight it. Cause you know all cops & judges are nice people who are always going to give you a free pass once in awhile, they are never the angry types who would abuse their authority to give people they don't like maximum prison terms if they so choose to do so. All police love to know that is the nasty domestic terror…..uhh I mean fellow citizen has a magazine pin break like they commonly do that the police will be ever so understanding an let them off with a warning, cause yknow cops are all about giving free passes.
Thank you anti's, keep up the good work, if all goes well then only Government, Police, & the Military will have guns. I'm sure as a Ukrainian all my fellow Ukrainian citizens who obeyed Stalins anti-gun laws are alive & well today with their property intact…….ooops, their not, they all got robbed an shipped to some Siberian Gulag (all 6 million of them), silly me, Canada is special, won't happen here.
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Is it possible to sweep the coop, gather up what you've got, and make chicken salad? This is what Bud Black's being asked to do, and he's not Old MacDonald — or Wolfgang Puck.
Black, the Padres manager, is a former pitcher, and as some press box wag said before Thursday afternoon's game vs. the Giants in Petco National Park, "Bud's going for his 20th win." In case you are unfamiliar with the game of baseball, a team trying to win its 20th game of the season by June 7 … well, it stinks.
I've witnessed every Padres team, and as we speak, this is the worst. It's a farm club in big-league knickers.
Anyway, earlier in the day, Black was telling me how much his ballclub's defense had improved over the past five weeks (from the nightmare that was April), and I listened patiently as he tried to explain second baseman Logan Forsythe's two-run error vs. San Francisco the day before that cost him the game.
"A tough play," he said.
As slow baby bouncers go.
Top of Thursday's first inning. A Giant on first, one out. Melky Cabrera hits a hot shot to Padres starter Jason Marquis. Marquis snares it. Easy double-play ball. Marquis fires it to the left of shortstop Everth Cabrera, who can't get his foot on the bag. Error. Buster Posey singles in a run. Brandon Belt belts a double to right, scoring another. Two unearned runs. Pads again in a first-inning hole.
During our pregame conversation, Black had been prophetic, saying: "If you look at our errors, a lot of them have come from our pitching staff, and that generally doesn't happen."
Not that it mattered in the end, but the Padres were playing a defense worse than their own. San Francisco has more errors than any team in baseball and it had three Thursday before the third inning ended, when the Padres scored three runs to close it to 4-3 — thanks to a two-base error on a Cameron Maybin drive by Giants center fielder Angel Pagan. The runs were unearned, although third baseman Chase Headley did double home two.
An amazing feat, Headley's, because one of those runners actually was in scoring position. Scoring position is where Padres go to catch up on their reading. It's a baseball miracle. Going into the game their team RISP batting average was .189, .153 with two outs, and it got worse Thursday. It is by far their greatest blemish, made even more pathetic by the difficulty they have even touching the ball with runners in scoring position. Very little power, very little contact. Bad combination.
Bottom of the sixth. Padres load the bases. Nobody out. Mark Kotsay pinch hits for Marquis. Pops to short left. Runners hold. Maybin grounds into a double play. Inning over.
So what are Black and hitting coach Phil Plantier to do? It's asking an awful lot. These players have come up through the minors (and some still belong there) and have been playing baseball since childhood (and still belong there), so what we have here is a teaching-new-tricks-to-old-dogs situation.
But Black, who has been around baseball a long time and has had to sit through all this, remains the cockeyed optimist. He says it's fixable. So, I guess, was the Hindenburg. And Humpty Dumpty.
"You can do that, yes," Black said. "It takes an adjustment. It takes work and a mental buy-in. What we have to do is a better job of striking out less. For us, hitting with runners in scoring position means making contact. Our strikeout totals are much too high. We just have to make better contact."
Waiter Bud, I'll have one of your tall orders. You know how so many modern ballplayers feel about choking up on the bat and doing the little things necessary to put stick on ball with two strikes.
Players can be sent back to the minors only so many times. Vendors working the Tucson and San Antonio airport have to love the Padres, who have used 10 different starting pitchers (reliever Andrew Cashner will make it 11 Saturday in Milwaukee) and put 17 on the disabled list (11 currently). That's more than 500 missed games.
"We have some guys who have been prone to strikeout throughout their careers, even as minor leaguers," Black said. "There has to be a more conscious effort with two strikes. One of the things Phil's concentrating on is getting the individual player to shorten the bat and adjust his swing to ensure contact."
Well, Phil, good luck with that.
Eighth inning. Pads have the bases loaded with two out. Maybin up again. Grounds weakly to second. Hey, contact was made, anyway.
Bottom of the ninth. Padres have the bases loaded. Two out. Forsythe hits it hard to third. Contact! Joaquin Arias makes a nice play near the line. Game over.
"What I tell the players all the time is that our No. 1 priority is to win the game," Black said.
That's sinking in like a broken finger into a slab of granite.
Padres lose 8-3. Bud Black's still searching for that historic 20th win.

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This article is a guild information page for Phoenix Rising of Undermine US.
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Phoenix Rising is a popular guild name in many realms, including the Undermine realm. On Undermine, Phoenix Rising is a guild focused on casual, family-style play as well as on end-game. It is aligned with the Alliance faction.
Phoenix Rising is one of the oldest guilds on the Undermine server. The server came online on August 6, 2006. Phoenix Rising was started that same morning. Its founding members were Taffy and Hobbstweedle.
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Hey everyone! This has been an amazing weekend already. I won't go into detail on most of it because... frankly you wouldn't care. But the crowning achievement of this weekend would have to be the Gotham City Impostors beta. The game is seriously fun. For those of you living under a rock and have no clue what this game is, i'll be filling you in now. GCI takes on the premise that when Batman and the Joker are fighting each other (possibly in Arkham City?) Gangs of vigilantes known as the Jokerz and the Bats roam the city of Gotham fighting. The Bats try to keep their beloved city safe while Batman is fighting evil, and the Jokerz try to cause as much havoc as possible before their role models return.
As you can see, these guys and girls are just a bunch of misfits. Which leads me to the best part of the game... It doesn't take itself too seriously. While it's well balanced, great frame-rate and graphics, and really easy to adjust to; it's incredibly comical from it's weapons to it's costumes to its voice acting. You really need to check this beta out since it's free and open to the public on PSN as you read this post. If I haven't sold you already, let me go into more detail. There are 2 game modes and 2 maps currently being used in the beta; excluding the comical tutorial mode where you learn how to do all of the moves, use most of the gadgets, and meet Melvin. The very comical henchmen who can only be described as the modern day batman/ Lenny from "Of Mice and Men" crossover. The first game mode (which is my personal favorite) is called fumigator, which can be compared to domination mode in Call of Duty. There are 3 gas machines you need to take over to release either bats, or dangerous nerve toxin. Once you have 100 percent of the area filled with the gas the game is over and you either win or lose. Simple yet incredibly fun! I've played a couple rounds that lasted a few minutes to one that was over an hour and reached into sudden death. The other game mode is called psych warfare. Not as good in my opinion as the other mode but it's still fun. This game mode can be compared to sabotage from Call of Duty. You need to retrieve a single battery at the middle of the map and use it to charge your psychosis machine. This game mode takes a lot of time because of the fact that it takes forever just to install the battery, then another 30 seconds for the battery to charge the machine. Then once all of that is said and done you score a point, and for the next 30 seconds your opponents (or you, depending on who's machine was charged) are in a psychological state where you are hearing voices telling you that you aren't good enough, you are dizzy, and all you can do is slap your enemies or the machine to get it to stop making you insane. I had a lot of fun shooting the people slapping the machine, it was like shooting fish in a barrel. The 2 maps provided are simple, dark,and fun to explore. There is one map where you are in a urban street setting, covered in trampolines, air vents, ramps, roof tops to snipe from, and a single laundromat to cut through the streets. The other map consists of a run down cynical amusement park. sadly all of the rides are closed. One thing i noticed about all of the maps is the beta doesn't use the full size of them. Maybe a true third of the maps are used when playing the beta? The rest are dark empty corridors where you can explore but get nothing done there.
There is very limited weapons customization, One mod, one paint job, but it gets the job done so i don't complain. There is a wide variety of weapons though, multiple rifles, machine guns, snipers, shot guns, and rocket launchers are all fun to mess around with, Although the unlock system is strange, i'll let you, the reader experience that for yourself. One thing that's really cool about the game is the gadgets. You can either equip yourself with skates, bouncing boots, gliders, grappling hooks, and others to help assist you in the traversal of the game. This game is a ton of fun to be had, regardless of what the IGN editors said about it. I would love to see a single player mode, but i think i'm going to have to settle for a simple diverse multiplayer game with multiple modes and epic maps. This game will be available for download on PC, Xbox360, and of course PS3 soon enough, it's worth the buy.


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saysuzie ...... you honour her memory.
and i thank you
Happy Birthday
Lauri Amber Diggs
to whom wehavelupus is dedicated
our sweet angel who now lives with god
Where there is no more pain and no more tears! Only happiness and love everlasting.
You are loved!
You are missed!
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Look For The Good and Praise It!
saysuzie ...... you honour her memory.
and i thank you
When you're stressed, You eat Ice cream, Cake, Chocolate & Sweets. Why? Because stressed spelled backwards is DESSERTS.
Thank you for her life, Carlotta, Richard and God..for the day Laurie was born. Thank you Laurie for your life..it brought all of us together in a place, in space...WeHaveLupus.com. Without you, there would be no us. In loving memory of you and all that you give, and continue to give through your Mommy in your memory, in your honor. Happy Birthday, Laurie.
The world, your Mommy, your Daddy and Rudy were so very happy when you were born..a blessing indeed. A life that keeps giving life, hope, uplifting, love to us that are here. A life that is still being lived in a way...
Hugs with love, Carlotta...all is well, all is well. Love, O.
I have Lupus. So *^#@! what.
Happy Birthday. We are thankful for you every day because this place is open. Your memory has helped so many and we are all thankful for you
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
~Winston Churchill~
Thinking of you both today, Saysusie.
You honor Lauri every day with We Have Lupus and it's truly a gift to each of us.
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Obituaries: Oct. 28-Nov. 3, 2011
Esther Irene Alexander died Oct. 4 at 103. Survived by daughter Marsha (Allan) Muller; 1 grandchild; sister Sylvia Broday. Hillside
Fay Amster died Oct. 11 at 91. Survived by daughters Linda (Jack) Goldman, Arlene Saretsky; 3 grandchildren. Mount Sinai
Sheila Rose Amsterdam died Oct. 11 at 84. Survived by husband David; daughters Fiona (Tommy) Steele, Lisa (Matthew) Friedman; son Joel (Amy); 9 grandchildren. Mount Sinai
Judith Ann Arnold died Oct. 10 at 68. Survived by husband Myron; son Brian (Naomi); 1 grandchild; sister Sandra (Arthur) Skop. Mount Sinai
Martin Baer died Oct. 11 at 80. Survived by companion Mary Levy; son Alan.
Yetta Bates died Oct. 15 at 98. Survived by daughter Marlene Berman; 2 grandchildren; 5 great-grandchildren. Hillside
Edward Norman Blair died Oct. 11 at 65. Survived by wife Lucille; daughters Xenia Bianca, Bonnie Maria (Eric) Mauilleron; 2 grandchildren. Hillside
Elaine Breslow died Oct. 11 at 65. Survived by husband Warren; son Jamie; 3 grandchildren; sister Barbara (Ron) Lerner. Hillside
Virginia Conae died Sept. 30 at 93. Survived by daughters Shirley (Mark) Wold, Madeline Gordon; son Martin; 8 grandchildren; 12 great-grandchildren. Hillside
Margaret Danies died Sept. 23 at 97. Survived by daughters Eileen (Joel) Yager, Emily; 4 grandchildren; 1 great-grandchild. Malinow and Silverman
Renee Diamond died Oct. 10 at 80. Survived by husband Arthur; daughter Stefanie; son David (Amy); 5 grandchildren. Mount Sinai
Howard Deutsch died Sept. 22 at 93. Survived by wife Grace; stepdaughter Diane (Steve) Siegel; stepson Kenneth (Evelyn) Hausman; 3 grandchildren. Malinow and Silverman
Martin Feldman died Oct. 13 at 81. Survived by daughter Wendy (David) Perlmutter; son Alan (Barbara); 3 grandchildren. Hillside
Herman Fleisher died Oct. 10 at 90. Survived by daughters Debra (Michael) Buter, Judy Levy; 2 grandchildren; 1 great-grandchild. Hillside
Eugene Foxman died Oct. 11 at 86. Survived by wife Judith; daughters Sarah (Tim) Pattison, Alice (Burton) Cusner, Sophie (Devin) Cutler; sons Ernest, Alan (Irene) Magat, Eric (Cindy) Scott, Dana (Cheriel) Magat; 20 grandchildren; 5 great-grandchildren. Mount Sinai
Phyllis Friedel died Sept. 19 at 82. Survived by daughters Randi Sherman, Lynn Gellman; 4 granchildren. Malinow and Silverman
Beatrice Gersh died Oct. 9 at 87. Survived by sons Robert (Linda), David (Susan); 5 grandchildren; brothers Leon, Charles Aberle. Hillside
Josephine Hortense Gorman died Oct. 8 at 91. Survived by son Robert (Beth) Owens; 2 grandchildren; sister Rochelle Lowenfeld. Hillside
Rose Green died Oct. 10 at 84. Survived by daughter Deborah (Ross Redding) Steinberg; sons Stephen (Leinaal) Kineret, Mitch Reed Steinberg; 6 grandchildren. Hillside
Bella Greenberg died Oct. 12 at 93. Survived by husband Seymour; daughter Sandra (Ric) Royce; son Lawrence (Arlene); 6 grandchildren; 14 great-grandchildren. Hillside
Sylvia Greenberg died Sept. 24 at 89. Survived by husband Nathan; daughter Linda Miller; son Steven (Roberta); 2 grandchildren. Malinow and Silverman
Sylvia Greenberg died Oct. 13 at 97. Survived by sister Caryn Manabach. Mount Sinai
Gladyce Karlin died Sept. 29 at 91. Survived by sons Andrew, Robert, Peter; 4 grandchildren. Malinow and Silverman
Gerry Katz died Oct. 5 at 96. Survived by daughter Sandy (Stan) Melnick; son Brian (Karen) Franklin; 6 grandchildren. Hillside
Bruce Klein died Oct. 10 at 47. Survived by wife Laura; daughter Samantha; sister Karen (Ira) Chazan. Malinow and Silverman
Monte Krimston died Aug. 20 at 77. Survived by wife Fran; daughter Joan (David Korduner); son Josh (Celine); 5 grandchildren. Hillside
Ruven Kurtz died Oct. 13 at 65. Survived by daughter Limore; son Amir (Jenn); 3 grandchildren; sister Ahuva (David) Erez. Mount Sinai
Frederick Levine died Oct. 6 at 84. Survived by wife Helen; daughters Julie (Mark) Wasserman, Lori (Mark) Wyman; 2 grandchildren. Mount Sinai
Anina Louis died Oct. 4 at 62. Survived by motHer Rochelle; father Manuel; brother Craig. Malinow and Silverman
Elizabeth Meyers died Oct. 9 at 100. Survived by nephew Leon Metz. Mount Sinai
Joel Miller died Oct. 5 at 61. Survived by sister Ronnie Gerstein.
Paul R. Miller died Sept. 14 at 82. Survived by son Steven; sister Diane J. Sweet. Riverside National Cemetery
Leonard Pill died Oct. 4 at 91. Survived by wife Marceline; daughters Andria (Louis) Senini, Deborah Taggart; son Robert (Trisha). Hillside
Roselyn Poe died Oct. 8 at 85. Survived by sister Frances Linsk. Malinow and Silverman
Sylvia R. Radiloff died Oct. 10 at 86. Survived by daughter Nancy (Daniele) Capisani; son Steven (Milla); 4 grandchildren; sister Loretta Berker. Mount Sinai
Jacqueline Resnick died Sept. 26 at 78. Survived by daughter Pamela Rosenthal; 1 grandchild. Hillside
Dan Ross died Sept. 26 at 94. Survived by daughter Carol (Robert) Edmonston; son Steven (Mariane); 1 grandchild. Hillside
Lina Rouss died Sept. 28 at 91. Survived by daughter Ellen; sons Jeff (Sylvia), Larry (Debbie; 9 grandchildren; 5 great-grandchildren. Hillside
Rose Rudis died Oct. 12 at 92. Survived by daughter Esther; sons Alfred (Ruth), David (Pauline); 5 grandchildren; 4 great-grandchildren. Mount Sinai
Beverly Ryan died Oct. 6 at 79. Survived by daughters Ruth (Michael) Weintraub, Claire (Sandy) Warshaw, Kathryn Hicklin, Deborah Lipson; 7 grandchildren; 1 great-grandchild; sister Patricia (Dwayne) Hough; brother Ronald (Grace) Hendrick. Mount Sinai
Morrie Sage Schrage died Oct. 7 at 80. Survived by sons Lenny (Tema), Joe (Kimberly), Mike (Cathi); 8 grandchildren; sister Helen. Mount Sinai
Ruth Schreiber died Sept. 25 at 88. Survived by daughters Lori (Evan) Klase, Nancy (Steve) Marcus; 4 grandchildren; 3 great-grandchildren. Malinow and Silverman
Leonard H. Stein died Oct. 11 at 77. Survived by son Jason (Keri); 2 grandchildren. Mount Sinai
Marilyn Sternfeld died Oct. 2 at 82. Survived by daughters Ruth (Martin) Knapp, Sharon (David); sons Jeffrey (Janice), Thomas (Barbara), Paul; 9 grandchildren. Hillside
Shirley Strozenberg died Oct. 13 at 103. Survived by daughter Helen; son Abraham.
Minnette Talpis died Oct. 14 at 91. Survived by daughter Marcie (Mark) Feldman; 2 grandchildren. Mount Sinai


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Monday, November 1, 2010
ShopNation Raises $800K, Launches Fashion Discovery Site
Santa Monica-based ShopNation has raised $800,000 in a seed funding, and launched a new fashion discovery site today. The firm, co-founded by Travis Schneider and Luke Kervin, said it aggregates and normalizes product data from fashion retailers, and allows users to find fashion products from their favorite stores.
The company--one of the companies in the LaunchpadLA effort--is the second startup for Schneider and Kervin, who founded StarBrand Media, a celebrity shopping startup acquired by Sugar Inc. in 2008. ShopNation said the seed round of funding came from Kurt Johnson (former CEO of FastClick and CFO of ValueClick), Christophe Louvion (CityGrid Media), Brian Wiegand (CEO of Alice.com/former CEO of Jellyfish.com), and Glen Graff (Avid Life Media).
ShopNation's web site allows users to find fashion products, including clothing, shoes, handbags, accessories, and lingerie, sort-able by brand, features, price, and other options. The firm said its team comes from LowerMyBills.com, Mahalo, and HUGE.


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World Vision Relief Teams Race to Provide Cold Weather Supplies to Displaced Storm Survivors
Nov 05, 2012, 12:57 ET from World Vision U.S.
- Dropping temperatures and approaching Nor'easter threaten shivering Sandy survivors struggling to stay warm after storm damage & power outages
- Up to 40,000 New Yorkers may need to be relocated, says New York City Mayor
- Needs of children and most vulnerable will be priority in World Vision's immediate response and long-term recovery assistance
NEW YORK, Nov. 5, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- With temperatures dropping and the threat of a significant wintry storm expected to hit the New York area mid-week, World Vision's response team is focusing on providing immediate cold weather supplies to displaced storm survivors struggling to stay warm.
"It is a race against the clock. People are freezing, children are getting sick, and families need cold weather supplies right away," said Phyllis Freeman, World Vision's Domestic Disaster Director. "Our relief teams are moving as fast as we can, especially since there is a Nor'easter heading this way, but families need many more blankets and coats in this area."
Over the weekend, World Vision distributed hundreds of blankets, winter clothing and emergency food supplies to families and children in several areas of New York City. In Far Rockaway, New York, Omar English, a father of five, told World Vision's response team his children go to bed at night fully dressed because they are so cold. "I've been wrapping them up in blankets at night to try to keep them warm," said English. World Vision provided English's family with food, personal hygiene products, blankets and children's toys.
World Vision teams have also completed initial assessments in several additional hard hit areas including Staten Island, New York, and Hoboken and Jersey City, New Jersey. Betsy Baldwin, World Vision emergency program officer, says families are specifically requesting cold-weather supplies. Baldwin reports many families will need extensive assistance to rebuild their homes and replace essentials destroyed by Superstorm Sandy.
World Vision says it is already preparing a long-term disaster response targeting families that need assistance rebuilding their homes. Meantime, this week the response team says its first priority is protecting families, children and senior citizens at immediate risk from the cold weather. World Vision has ordered an additional 9,000 blankets and this week will continue distributing winter clothes, emergency food kits and personal hygiene products to families through church partners. Freeman says World Vision's strategy is unique in that the Christian organization partners with churches in local areas to help distribute relief supplies.
"World Vision has partnered with hundreds of churches in the New York area before and we are heavily relying on them now to respond to Sandy survivors," said Freeman. "Our response teams are capable of reaching tens of thousands in multiple states thanks to churches that become our hands and feet in times of disaster."
The public can help by visiting www.worldvision.org/americanfamilies or by texting "GIVEUSA" to 777444 to make a $10 donation to World Vision's disaster response.
World Vision is a Christian humanitarian organization dedicated to working with children, families, and their communities worldwide to reach their full potential by tackling the causes of poverty and injustice. World Vision's United States Programs is committed to transform communities, promote justice, and relieve suffering in the U.S. where poverty is prevalent by empowering children and youth, increasing the capacity of individuals, families, churches, and other organizations, and unleashing the assets of our partners. Visit World Vision's U.S. Programs at: www.worldvision.org/usprograms. For more information please visit www.worldvision.org/press. Or follow them on their Twitter site at @worldvisionnews.
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Yara sings for humanity in the Khaliji dialect
"Ana Insanah" (I Am Human) is the new filmed song for the Lebanese artist Yara which is included in her newest album sung in the Khaliji "Gulf countries" dialect. The song "Ana Insanah" is written by Mansour Al Shadi, composed by Naser Al Saleh and distributed by Osama Al Hindi.
The idea of the video clip for the song revolves around human's freedom and the right to accomplish goals in life no matter what difficulties come our way.
According to the London daily Elaph, the clip also focuses on the soul and the mind and how they are the most precious things for any human being. The clip was filmed under the management of the director Joe Bo Eid which is considered to be the second time he works with Yara where he worked before on the clip "Ma Yehmak" (Don't Worry). The filming was completed in two days at the area called "Sofer" in Lebanon.


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Join NOW Senior Entertainment editor, author and feminist commentator Susan G. Cole in conversation with the celebrated and accomplished Sally Armstrong.
Armstrong is an Amnesty International award winner, a member of the Order of Canada, holder of 7 honourary degrees, a teacher, journalist, human rights activist, and contributor to Maclean's, Chatelaine and the CBC. She is a member of the International Women's Commission, a UN body that consists of 20 Palestinian women, 20 Israeli women, and 12 internationals whose mandate is assisting with the path to peace in the Middle East.
Armstrong's newest book, Ascent of Women (Random House, release date March 5th), is about the final frontier for women: having control over your own body, whether in zones of conflict, in rural villages, on university campuses or in your own kitchen. Recent studies by economists such as Jeffrey Sachs and social scientists such as Isobel Coleman claim that women who gain such control-who are not oppressed-are the key to economic justice and the end to violence in developing countries around the world.
"As the spotlight intensifies on women around the world - from Tahrir square in Egypt to a public bus in India to our own native chiefs - I can't wait to talk to one of the world's most astute observers of the female condition." - Susan G. Cole, NOW Senior Entertainment editor, author and feminist commentator
"Sally Armstrong is the war correspondent for the world's women. Striding into Taliban-held Afghanistan with a burka over her six-foot frame, playing high-fives with a traumatized child rape survivor in the Congolese jungle, marching with the defiant grandmothers in Swaziland, she explores the darkest reaches of women's experience and brings back astonishing news of hope, challenge and change. From Tahrir Square to Senegal, Armstrong discovers that the sisters are doing it for themselves-and revolutionizing the world." - Michele Landsberg, author of Writing the Revolution
"This book is Sally Armstrong at her best: engaging storytelling peppered with thoughtful analysis and passionate activism. Ascent of Women is at once heart-wrenching and inspiring, and a powerful reminder that the struggle for women's equality continues. A must-read for men and women of every generation." - Dr. Samantha Nutt, author, Damned Nations, and founder, War Child
"Around the world, away from the spotlight, women and girls are overcoming tremendous obstacles to insist on their rights. Sally Armstrong found them when few other journalists even cared to know their names. This is their story. And our inspiration-a triumph of women's empowerment and Sally Armstrong's deep humanity and visionary journalism." - Anna Maria Tremonti, host of The Current on CBC Radio One
NOW Talks with Sally Armstrong (part one) from NOW Magazine on Vimeo.
NOW Talks with Sally Armstrong (part two) from NOW Magazine on Vimeo.
NOW Talks with Sally Armstrong (Part Three) from NOW Magazine on Vimeo.
NOW Talks with Sally Armstrong (part four) from NOW Magazine on Vimeo.
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A SENIOR curator at a North-East art gallery has proposed to his girlfriend with a ring chosen from an artist whose work is part of its collection.
James Beighton planned a trip to Amsterdam with his girlfriend Emily Hesse and after a day in the city, he proposed in the "Love Inn".
He spotted the gold ring, which was made by New Zealand based artist Karl Fritsch, as the couple walked around the city and decided that was the one he needed for his proposal.
"I didn't have a ring with me as we have been saving to buy a house but we knew it would be designed by the artist Karl Fritsch," he said.
"That evening at the opening of an exhibition in the city we saw the unique Fritsch ring on display and I knew it was the one.
"Jewellery can easily link major milestones in people's lives and I think seeing the story behind some of the pieces here in Middlesbrough is fascinating."
His partner was delighted with proposal, saying: "I was completely surprised by James' proposal, he kept the secret so well and I am truly delighted."
The couple are now back home looking for houses in Saltburn and planning the wedding.


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MRI reveals no structural damage in DeMarcus Cousins' right knee
An MRI revealed that DeMarcus Cousins, who was injured in Team USA's scrimmage on Thursday, has no structural damage in his right knee, according to Yahoo Sports' Marc J. Spears.
The injury to the Kings center occurred in the team's first practice since Paul George broke his leg two weeks ago.
MORE: Stephen Curry on Team USA's mission in the FIBA World Cup
Cousins, who turned 24 on Wednesday, injured the knee when he got mixed up with two other players going for a loose ball. He did not speak to the media after practice.
Team USA coach Mike Krzyzewski did not rule Cousins out for Saturday's exhibition game against Brazil, but USA Basketball managing director Jerry Colangelo "expressed doubts," Spears reports.
"I talked to him on the way out. I think he will be OK," Kings teammate Rudy Gay told Spears. "I hope he is just being a drama queen. ... I think he will be fine.
"I've never seen him go down and stay down. I think in the back of his head ... everybody is thinking about what happened before [with George]. I think he will be OK."
MRI revealed no structural damage for DeMarcus Cousins and he's day to day.
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Adam Lambert arrested in Helsinki after bar fight
American Idol runner-up Adam Lambert's latest sigle was released on Tuesday, but the singer himself was released from a Finnish jail Thursday after being arrested with his boyfriend for being in a bar brawl. No, we don't exactly imagine Lambert busting knuckles at a tavern, ourselves.
The Hollywood Reporter says Lambert and Sauli Koskinen were at Helsinki gay bar Don't Tell Mama at 4 a.m. Thursday causing a ruckus. Police said the pair were in a back room of the club and started fighting, got kicked out of the club and then kept on fighting in the street. There may be as many as four assault charges pending after they were interrogated and released Thursday afternoon.
Former Miss Helsinki Sofia Ruusila said that she had tried to split up the arguing couple, but was hit by Lambert by mistake, so it sounds like Adam and his Finnish Big Brother-winning boyfriend weren't what you'd call sober. That's backed up by Lamert's tweets Thursday.
"Jetlag+Vodka=blackout. Us÷blackout=irrational confusion. jail+guilt+press=lesson learned. Sauli+Adam+hangover burgers= laughing bout it. :)" he wrote via @adamlambert. Miss Ruusila probably hasn't gotten around to laughing just yet.
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Embraer decided to name its newest business jet the Lineage 1000, drawing parallels to the company's first business jet, which was also a derivative of one of its passenger airliners.
The Lineage bizliner was officially launched in the spring of last year and is based on the Brazilian manufacturer's new, 90-passenger E190 twinjet airliner platform. It seemed a natural extension of its successful Legacy business jet program, which was itself based on the ERJ 135 regional jet, said Marco Tulio Pellegrini, Embraer v-p of market intelligence for executive jets.
Last year alone, Embraer delivered 27 Legacy 600s, and at this point claims that its order book for the Lineage 1000 is nearing 10 aircraft secured "with non-refundable deposits."
According to Pellegrini, the Lineage fits a market niche between the larger and more expensive Boeing Business Jet and the similarly priced but much smaller G550 and Global XRS.
The max takeoff weight of a typically equipped Lineage is expected to be 121,252 pounds, slightly more than that of its E190 airliner counterpart. However, auxiliary fuel tanks in the baggage bay will boost the max range from 2,300 nm for the E190 to 4,200 nm with 12 passengers for the Lineage, allowing the airplane to make nonstop flights from Europe to the Middle East and the U.S.
The range, said Pellegrini, falls within what a customer advisory board felt adequate, noting that despite the 6,000-nm max range potential of the BBJ, few of its buyers choose to give up cabin capacity in favor of the additional auxiliary fuel tanks to achieve such long legs.
Powered by two 18,500-pound thrust General Electric CF34-10E7 turbofans, the Lineage is expected to offer a max speed of Mach 0.82 and a ceiling of 41,000 feet.
Embraer has been referring to the Lineage as an "ultra-large business jet," noting that a typical cabin configuration will accommodate 13 to 19 passengers in an interior of modular design with as many as five zones.
There will be "many, many" interior configurations and options, said Paul Priestman, a director at the London-based design firm of Priestman Goode, which will create the Lineage cabin.
Priestman said the designers working on behalf of Embraer are looking for a consistency and a quality of detailing, as well as a more modern ambiance, that would define "a new standard in luxury a cut above today's typical private jet.
"The entrance to the business jet with a galley and lavatory has always annoyed me," said Priestman, offering one example. "We redesigned that immediate area upon entering the airplane as a more personal and elegant greeting area."
In addition to the standard five cabin zones, there will also be a 615-cu-ft baggage area accessible during flight. Among the modular options are a shower and as many as three lavatories.
Priestman emphasized that there will be considerable room for customization within and beyond the modular design standard items and options. A customer who prefers a more highly personalized airplane will "most definitely not be disappointed." Whatever the choice, Priestman Goode and Embraer expect to maintain an open environment that is more like a home in the sky. "It's a large aircraft and we don't want to give the illusion of anything less," said Priestman.
PATS Aircraft in George- town, Del., and other divisions of its parent company DeCrane Aircraft have been selected to build and install the Lineage interiors. The airplanes will be delivered to DeCrane with a basic white exterior paint scheme. When they are returned to Brazil with the finished interior, Embraer will apply the final exterior paint details.
"The partnership we've developed with Embraer is based on DeCrane being able to bring a lot to the table in terms of interior components," said Dominick Scott, v-p of procurement for PATS. This would include everything from seats to cabinetry
to sidewalls. The entertainment system, for example, said Scott, will come from DeCrane's Audio International division and will include iPod docks and accommodate Microsoft's XBox games and software.
A joint development team of DeCrane and Embraer engineers is at work to come up with solutions to reduce the completion cycle time. These solutions will not slow down the airline production line from which the Lineage 1000s will be drawn.
Meanwhile, DeCrane and Priestman Goode are continuing to consult and expect to present final cabin configurations in the form of a computer virtual walk-through at the European Business Aviation Convention & Exhibition (EBACE) in Geneva next month.
Embraer already has orders for 317 airplanes in its airline variant, as well as options on another 200, so the E190 airliner assembly line will be busy. Nevertheless, DeCrane expects to see the first Lineage roll into its completion shop in the third quarter. Delivery is anticipated by the middle of next year.
'Guarded Optimism' for Ultra-large Bizliner
Despite PATS' experience as the sole provider of auxiliary fuel tanks for the Boeing Business Jet, Embraer will be building and installing the tanks in Brazil before sending the green airplanes north for cabin completion work. The placement of the baggage compartment on the cabin level allows for the installation of auxiliary fuel tanks in the airplane's belly.
Embraer senior v-p for executive jets Luis Carlos Affonso said the customer base for the airplane will be rather broad and include wealthy individuals, governments, charter operators and corporations.
While initial market acceptance of the Lineage 1000 seems enthusiastic, based on its recent market forecasts for 2007-2016, Embraer is guardedly optimistic. The company sees a 2-percent increase in deliveries of aircraft in that category over the next decade. The largest market is expected to be the Middle East, where "ultra-large" aircraft deliveries are expected to jump by 26 percent, representing a 43-percent increase in revenues.


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WATCH: Which alcohols can you drink and still lose weight?
LOS ANGELES, CA - It turns out that alcohol can either give you a beer belly or help you uncover your abs. An Archives of Internal Medicine study shows that people who put back one or two drinks a day are less likely to gain weight! So what is the best booze to drink if you want to lose weight?
Rejoice, wine is good for you! Whether it is red or white wine, you can expect to consume roughly 100 to 120 calories per glass. So which grape should you pick? White wine contains fewer carbohydrates than red wine. However red wine is rich in antioxidants. And red wines ellagic acids delay the growth of fat cells while slowing the development of new ones.
Vermouth! Georgie Fear, R.D., Author of Lean Habits for Lifelong Weight Loss says that Vermouth is "a fortified wine with higher alcohol content and infused spices and herb. Vermouth is a calorie saver if you have it by itself". Plus research out of Budapest shows that it's packed with polyphenol compounds which promote healthy weight loss.
But the most alcohol for the fewest calories will always be straight up liquor. There isn't much difference between 80 proof hard liquors, they all have about the same amount of carbs and calories. So take a shot and show off those abs!
Just remember to avoid heavy beers and sugary cocktails and to hit the gym! Oh yeah.. And drink responsibly!