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Q&A on MedsPaL
MedsPaL provides information on the patent and licensing status of selected HIV, hepatitis C (HCV) and tuberculosis (TB) medicines in low- and middle-income countries (LMIC) See Disclaimer.
- How to search MedsPaL?
- Which medicines are covered by MedsPaL?
- How are the relevant patent families selected?
- Which countries are included?
- How is national/regional patent data obtained?
- When does MedsPaL conclude that certain patent applications are "Not filed"?
- What is the patent description included in MedsPaL?
- How is the expected expiry date obtained?
- How is the information on licences obtained?
- How is information on data exclusivity obtained?
- Terms of Use and Disclaimer
- Improving MedsPaL data
- Development of MedsPaL
- Links to useful resources
How to search MedsPaL?
The database enables users to search patent and licence information by country and medicine name. It also enables free text searches, e.g. by patent numbers, products brand name, applicant name, patent status or any combination of these. Wherever a patent has been applied for or granted in a given jurisdiction, a patent card provides detailed information about the patent application and links for further information. Wherever a licence has been signed for a specific medicine, a licence card provides detailed information about the licence agreement in relation to the product and country that were searched.
Which medicines are covered by MedsPaL?
The database covers most HIV medicines, in particular those that are included (or have been) in the WHO model List of Essential Medicines (EML) or in the WHO treatment guidelines. In relation to TB and hepatitis C, MedsPaL includes new medicines under patents that are in the WHO EML or WHO treatment guidelines. In addition, for all three diseases, promising new medicines or medicines in late-stage development may also be included. The database is periodically updated to include new HIV, HCV or TB medicines as they are developed or included in the WHO EML or relevant guidelines.
How are the relevant patent families selected?
Patents relevant to the selected medicines are identified from three main sources:
Listings of patents relevant to approved medicines that are submitted to the US FDA Orange Book and Health Canada Patent Register by medicines sponsors. Only patents that claim a drug substance (active ingredient), drug product (formulation and composition) or method of use can be listed at the US FDA. Patents are eligible for inclusion in a drug submission to Health Canada if the patent contains a claim for the medicinal ingredient, a claim for a formulation, a claim for a dosage form or a claim for the use of the medicinal ingredient. It should be noted that process patents related to intermediate steps or full manufacturing of the medicine are not disclosed in these databases.
Patent data disclosed by patent applicants in licence agreements (where available). These lists of patents are often more comprehensive as they are not subject to the restrictions above.
Patent landscapes and analysis from reputable sources, such as those commissioned by UNITAID or the World Health Organization (WHO).
The source of the patent family is provided under "Patent Identification Source" in each patent card.
However, as noted in the disclaimer, patent information provided by MedsPaL is not a 'freedom-to-operate' analysis: some patents or patent families may be missing, while others displayed by MedsPaL may not prevent generic competition.
Which countries are included?
MedsPaL includes patent and licensing information for low- and middle-income countries as defined by the World Bank for which patent data could be obtained. In addition, a small number of high-income countries that only recently transitioned from middle-income country status have also been included.
How is national/regional patent data obtained?
- Patent applications filed at national/regional level are sourced in various manners:
- automated data feeds from the European Patent Office (EPO) public database Espacenet;
- information obtained directly from national/regional patent offices;
- national/regional patent office's databases;
- information concerning an applicant's corresponding foreign applications and grants, required by some patent offices as per local regulations;
- information concerning an applicant's applications and grants, disclosed in licence agreements;
- patent searches commissioned to local patent attorneys and experts;
- national phase information provided by WIPO PatentScope.
Whenever available, the information is supplemented and cross-checked with additional sources of medicines patent analysis made available by other stakeholders such as the World Health Organization (WHO), UNITAID, Initiative for Medicines, Access and Knowledge (IMAK), Lawyers Collective, Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) or the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP).
While the MPP will endeavour to keep patent data in MedsPaL regularly updated, patent status information is not updated in real time and some data may be inaccurate or outdated. Interested users are advised to contact the relevant national/regional patent office or consult local patent counsel to obtain up-to-date information on any given patent application identified in MedsPaL. Users are also invited to submit information on any data that is inaccurate to the MPP so that it can be corrected at gro.looptnetapsenicidemnull@lapsdem.
When does MedsPaL conclude that certain patent applications are "Not filed"?
- MedsPaL indicates that a patent application is not filed in certain jurisdictions for a given patent family in the following cases:
- The national patent office has indicated to MPP that no patent was filed in the country.
- No patent application for the country and product was disclosed in the licence agreement, which provides a comprehensive overview of patent applications filed and granted patents. Not all licence agreements provide a complete patent landscape however.
- No patent application for the country in question was disclosed as part of the mandatory requirements of corresponding foreign applications and grants required by some patent offices.
What is the patent description included in MedsPaL?
The patent description appearing on MedsPaL is a brief description provided by the MPP to facilitate identification of patents. A patent description may relate to one or several closely related patent families claiming aspects of a specific medicine. MedsPaL patent descriptions are not official descriptions of the patents. The original titles of patents are provided in the patent cards, when available.
How is the expected expiry date obtained?
MedsPaL assumes that national applications last 20 years from the date of filing. However, patent terms may differ among countries depending on national legislation, whether patent term extensions are available or for other reasons.
Wherever the MPP has information on a different expiry date (than 20 years from the filing date) for a given patent this information is included in MedsPaL.
How is the information on licences obtained?
Wherever there is public information on a licence signed on a given product with respect to a given country, the information is displayed along with the relevant patent information.
Data on licences signed by the Medicines Patent Pool are public and has been integrated in the database with links to licence summaries and further information, including the full text of the licence agreements.
For bilateral licences and commitments not to enforce patents in certain jurisdictions, data are sourced from the licensors' websites, official press releases or non-confidential direct communications from licensors to the MPP. It should be noted that information on bilateral licences is often limited. Wherever possible, links are provided for further information.
Data on compulsory licences are based on official information in government websites or from other authoritative sources.
How is information on data exclusivity obtained?
Information on pharmaceutical test data exclusivity is sourced from the relevant authorities in countries where data exclusivity is provided by the law, through direct communication or official websites. Information is not yet available for all countries concerned and will be gradually supplemented and updated.
Terms of use & Disclaimer
MedsPaL should not be considered a complete and authoritative source of patent information and is not meant to provide a 'freedom-to-operate' analysis. It only provides a snapshot at a particular point in time, based on the information that was available to the Medicines Patent Pool.
The MPP does not accept any responsibility for the accuracy of data; in particular, the MPP does not guarantee that they are complete, up to date or fit for specific purposes. Additional country search and legal analysis is required before making any procurement or business decision.
It is also important for users to bear in mind that a full understanding of the patent situation in a given country with respect to a specific medicine requires additional information and analysis that is not provided in this database, such as an analysis of the specific claims of a patent application or granted patent at the national/regional level. MedsPaL users should also consider whether the country is a Least Developed Country (LDC) and may benefit from the transition period provided by the World Trade Organization TRIPS Agreement or whether the country is making use of any of the flexibilities available under national and/or international regulations.
Improving MedsPaL data
The MPP will endeavour to update and improve MedsPaL on a regular basis. By making information we have obtained publicly available to others, we also hope that others will help us improve the database. We invite users to submit any information that would be useful for updating or improving MedsPaL by writing to: gro.looptnetapsenicidemnull@lapsdem
Development of MedsPaL
MedsPaL was developed by the Medicines Patent Pool with the support of Pascale Boulet, Patent Information Consultant, for all intellectual property data included in the database, Global Health Systems & Analytics for conceptualization, and Goji Labs for IT development.
Useful resources
On searching the patent status of medicines:
How to Conduct Patent Searches for Medicines: A Step-by-Step Guide [pdf] World Health Organization, 2010.
A Methodology for Patent Searches on Essential Medicines in Developing Countries. United Nation Development Programme, 2012.
Patent Oppositions Database
On medicines approval:
WHO Prequalified Medicines database.
WHO Drug Regulatory Status database.
On prices of medicines:
WHO Global Price Reporting Mechanism database.
Global Fund Price and Quality Reporting
Untangling the Web of Antiretroviral Price Reductions. Médecins Sans Frontières, 2016.
DR-TB drugs under the microscope: sources and prices for drug-resistant tuberculosis medicines. Médecins Sans Frontières. 2016
On addressing intellectual property issues in the procurement of medicines:
- Report of the UN Secretary General's High Level Panel on Access to Medicines. 2016
- Promoting Access to Medical Technologies and Innovation: Intersections between public health, intellectual property and trade. Trilateral study of WHO, WIPO and WTO.
- Using TRIPS flexibilities to improve access to HIV treatment. Policy brief of UNAIDS, UNDP and WHO.
- Battling HIV/AIDS: A Decision Maker's Guide to the Procurement of Medicines and Related Supplies [pdf] The World Bank, 2004.


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Salgado signs new deal with Rovers
Spanish defender Michel Salgado has extended his stay at Blackburn Rovers by signing a new contract that ties him to the club until the summer of 2012.
• Blog: Kean's stock on the rise
Salgado, 35, joined Rovers on a free transfer from Real Madrid in the summer of 2009 and has impressed in making 45 appearances for the Premier League side.
He joins fellow defender Ryan Nelsen in signing a new deal at Ewood Park, and the club still hope to convince Chris Samba to do likewise, despite the captain recently professing a desire to leave.
Rovers boss Steve Kean told the club's official website: "To keep Michel here is great news, his experience is invaluable and his enthusiasm infectious. He's a winner and you can never have too many of those.
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This is the first main Halo title to be developed outside of Bungie's studio. The fourth game sees Microsoft's Halo-focused studio, 343 Industries, take the helm.
Halo 4 will kickstart a new saga for the franchise after Bungie's three-entry epic that drew to a close in 2007. There's been a handful of spin-offs since, including last year's Halo remake – the first game in the series 343 has worked on.
Bringing back series hero Master Chief and faithful AI sidekick Cortana, Halo 4 is set nearly five years after the events of Halo 3. The couple venture into a mysterious new world and discover an overpowering ancient evil that threatens to annihilate mankind.
The Halo series has sold more than 42 million games to date, generating nearly $3 billion in total franchise sales. With Halo 4 taking the series into a new direction, it's sure to attract die-hard fans and newcomers alike.
The series sees an increased focus on fast-paced action, epic encounters and interactive story elements to offer fans more freedom than ever before. As always, the main story campaign can be enjoyed alone or with up to four players over Xbox Live.
New to the series is the separate episodic campaign Spartan Ops, which sees players experience a brand new story surrounding the UNSC Infinity and its crew. The episodes will release over several months, offering gamers a variety of story missions to play alone or with friends. These will be released each week and last around 30 to 60 minutes each.
Players will also enjoy the full freedom and customisation in the game's many multiplayer modes. Competitive modes called War Games, take play on the combat deck of the UNSC Infinity and offer the immersive experience that fans of the series have come to expect from the multiplayer.
There are 10 different modes to choose from, allowing fans to progress their Spartan-IV career. Modes include Capture the Flag, Dominion, Flood, Griftball and fan favourite Slayer.
Halo 4 introduces an episodic campaign mode called Spartan Ops that follows the story of the UNSC Infinity and its crew. The cinematic episodes will release weekly and available in single-player and co-op.
The limited edition includes a 90-minute version of the live-action digital series, bonus videos on the series lore, backstory and character backgrounds. Also included are multiplayer maps and armour skins.
Dedicated fans will want to grab the Halo-themed Xbox 360 console bundle that comes in blue with matching controllers. It also has a 320GB hard drive, exclusive sound effects, game and DLC content.
A new multiplayer mode being introduced allows gamers to play as series antagonists the Flood. The mode resembles the zombie-inspired Infection mode, and sees two players try to infect the rest of the team.


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This directory is a compilation of public refrigerated warehouses (PRW) throughout North America that offer or arrange some type of transportation service. Such services can enable a fleet to expand its area of operation without the capital investment of adding assets and personnel.
In addition to providing temperature-controlled storage space and transportation services, PRWs (also referred to as public cold storage facilities) are offering a host of supplemental services. These include inventory control, load consolidation, cross-docking, blast freezing, and pallet exchange.
The accompanying Service Key contains a list of the ancillary services. Covered in this directory are public cold storage facilities within the US and Canada. Listings are organized alphabetically by state/province then by city.
Basic information about each facility is included. We solicit updates from each facility annually, but we suggest contacting a company directly to verify location and services, in case there have been changes in the interim.
The basic listings in this directory are free of charge. If you have changes to your listing or want to submit a new one, please let us know by e-mailing email@example.com. For information on advertising in this section, please contact Ray Anderson at (800) 880-0368 or 713-523-8124.


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Lakshmi Mittal
Lakshmi Mittal's life is a rag- to-riches story with a twist, as in he literally went from rags to riches. As a youth, he lived on bare floors and slept on a thin, rope mattress. These days, Lakshmi Mittal owns a majority stake in ArcelorMittal (the world's largest steel company), lives in one of the world's most expensive homes and sits at No. 4 on the Forbes list of wealthiest people.
AppealLakshmi Mittal is a handsome enough fellow, with a thick head of hair and an unwavering smile. However, most women won't likely notice any of that. You see, there are 45 billion other things that they might find more attractive. Who says money can't buy you happiness?
SuccessIn some parts of India, making enough money to feed your family is considered a success. So to grow your family's modest steel mill into a multibillion dollar international conglomerate must be looked at as an almost spiritual achievement. Sure, he's been accused of exploiting labor, damaging the environment and bribing politicians, but none of that takes away from what this man has accomplished.
Lakshmi Mittal BiographyLakshmi Mittal was born in what would be considered abject poverty by us cushy Westerners, but was actually quite comfortable by pre-Independence Indian standards. Like most families in India, multiple generations of Mittals shared the same large house, a house built by Lakshmi's grandfather that lacked many basic necessities. That inauspicious upbringing instilled a drive in Lakshmi that would eventually lead him to wild success.
lakshmi mittal's father sets things in motionSmall steel mills are common across the countryside of India, and Lakshmi Mittal's father decided there was room for at least one more. The little mill sold 80% of its output to a Calcutta-based broker who was so impressed by the elder Mittal's acumen, they invited him to move to the big city and work for them. Lakshmi Mittal suddenly found himself very rich, and very much outside of his rural comfort zone.
lakshmi mittal joins the family businessAfter graduating with a Bachelor of Commerce degree, Lakshmi Mittal went to work for his father's fledgling steelmaking business. The ambitious graduate was tasked with establishing an international division. His first order of business was to snap up a cheap, rundown mill in Indonesia. From there, the shrewd businessman leveraged, assimilated and staged hostile takeovers as he built the family business into the largest steel company in the world. In the process, he accumulated a fortune exceeding $45 billion, and made more than a few enemies along the way.
lakshmi mittal faces controversyIt's no secret that wealth attracts controversy, and Lakshmi Mittal has had his share. When he was angling to buy Romania's state-owned steel company, he got then-Prime Minister Tony Blair to write him a letter of recommendation. Normally, this is acceptable, but this particular letter hinted that if the Romanians didn't sell to Lakshmi Mittal, they might not be accepted into the European Union. Adding fuel to the fire was the revelation that Lakshmi Mittal donated nearly $250,000 to Tony Blair's party shortly after the letter was written.
lakshmi mittal gives money to olympiansThe fourth richest man isn't only about bribery or exploiting labor -- the man gives an awful lot back. Disheartened by India's lack of Olympic success (up until 2008, the nation of over 1 billion had never won an individual gold medal), Lakshmi Mittal established "Mittal Champions Trust," with a $9-million endowment meant to support 10 of India's top athletes. His charity obviously worked, as Abhinav Bindra won gold in the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing for shooting. For her efforts, Lakshmi Mittal gave her nearly $350,000.
lakshmi mittal goes house shoppingConsidering he is one of the world's wealthiest citizens, Lakshmi Mittal was surprisingly unknown to most, that is until he went house-hunting in London. Befitting a man of his stature, he chose a modest 12-bedroom home in the Kensington District. The price? $128 million. Then, he bought his son a nearby home for $230 million. Those aren't typos. The world's media latched on to the extravagant spending, and Lakshmi Mittal found himself being mentioned in the same breath as Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.
In 2008, he was named Britain's richest citizen for the fifth straight year, he was appointed to the board of Goldman Sachs and saw his net worth increase by $13 billion. Not bad for a kid that began his life sleeping on a bare floor.
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NewswireToday - /newswire/ -
Philadelphia, PA, United States, 2009/11/13 - KSS Architects is designing a new 20,000 sf Professional Studies Building and renovating the existing 43,000 sf Studio West building at SUNY Cortland.
KSS Architects is designing a new addition and renovation that will transform SUNY Cortlands Studio West, located prominently on the south entrance of the college campus.
The project, which broke ground in October, will add a 20,000 square feet, two-story addition to the east side of Studio West, a 43,000 sf metal panel and red brick building originally constructed in 1948 and renovated in the 1990s. The addition will become the new Professional Studies Building and consolidate four of the six departments in the institutions School of Professional Studies into a state-of-the-art facility.
Together, the addition and alterations will accommodate the additional departments needs and improve other programs. Working closely with the college, KSS Architects (kssarchitects.com) designed a project to accomplish the following:
Provide a facade that capitalizes on the Studio Wests prime location. The two-story addition will add distinction to Studio West and strengthen its presence and importance.
Provide an identity for the School of Professional Studies. This project will reinforce the identity of the building and the school by consolidating its Recreation, Parks and Leisure Studies department and Communication Disorders and Sciences department with the Kinesiology and Sports Management departments, along with the deans office, in Studio West. Additionally, the north side of the building faces a planned future quad that will reinforce its relationship with the Park Center, the colleges athletic facility.
Provide an engaging learning environment. The design features many inspiring and comfortable spaces to encourage student and faculty interaction and promote student engagement, which is key to student success and critical to achieving SUNY Cortlands commitment to academic excellence.
The first floor of the Professional Studies Building will include a clinic with an audiology chamber, observation and therapy rooms, library and resource area for the Communications Disorders and Science department. The second floor will have faculty offices. A 30-foot by 80-foot courtyard and connector will link the Professional Studies Building to the existing building.
The renovation will significantly improve the existing Studio West building. The design reconfigures circulation for easier navigation throughout the building and adds two light wells along two main corridors, which enhance circulation and provide natural light to the buildings center. The design also gives prominence to building entrances. The north entrance will become the main academic entry while the addition will provide a public entrance to the Clinic for Communication Disorders and Sciences.
The renovation will also improve the buildings energy performance. The design will enhance the thermal performance of the building envelope. New zone-mounted heat pumps connected to geothermal wells will provide conditioning for the interior. Two energy recovery units will replace air handling units on the existing roof and the addition and renovation will be monitored by an electronic direct digital control system.
The college has established the U.S. Green Building Councils LEED® Silver rating as a benchmark for sustainable design. While the college will not formally pursue certification, the design incorporates measures to achieve the certification level.
The project broke ground on Oct. 13. The renovation and addition are scheduled for completion in early 2011.
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Ever dreamed of strange alien worlds, where impossibly vivid sunsets give way to amazing triple moon-rises? Or perhaps you want to go back in time to when the green fields of England were wooded slopes with no trace of humans? How about showing the impact of a proposed housing development, fading from "before" to "after"? World Construction Set can help you do all this and more. I've been using WCS v4 for several months now as part of my PhD in landscape visualisation, and if I had to sum it up in one word, I would choose "comprehensive". To the newbie, it seems as if there's a button, switch or parameter for every concievable aspect of the visual world. Each editor window you bring up leads to yet more options, and it feels a bit like being dropped into the cockpit of a spaceship. At first you're not quite sure whether the next thing you do will make no discernible difference or send the whole thing off course. However, v4's manual weighed in at some 600 pages, including a huge set of tutorials, and on-line help is available for every window in the program at the press of a button, making the program reasonably easy to get to grips with. In addition, the company offer help via personal email and an egroups list (see below), both of which are very useful. You're certainly not left to flounder. If you can afford it, there are residential training courses 2 or 3 times a year, but running at some $1600 (excluding travel to Denver, Colorado) for a few days, you'd have to be a pretty serious user to justify it. I haven't used many other 3D visualisation programs, but from comments from other users on the mailing list, WCS is the bee's knees. You can control the appearance of the ground, the sunlight, and practically everything in between. When it comes to the look of the land, it's not a case of picking from preset choices - you can literally set things to appear how
ever you like, right down to the ability to incorporate your own vegetation images and 3D models. But you don't have to know everything straight away - starting from default values, you can set up the bare minimum (e.g. assign colours) at first, and then work up to more complex settings (such as textures and vegetation grouping) as you wish. Water and skies are just as easily modified, and can be animated if desired, as indeed can most parameters. In a review like this, I really can't begin to describe the complexity available in this program. The results of such attention to detail are simply breathtaking. Images produced in WCS (although not by me - yet!) are the closest to photorealistic I have seen. The quality of skies and reflections in water are amazing, and the use of photo-derived images for vegetation add immensely to the realism. Perhaps the best adverts for this program are found in the gallery section of 3Dnature's website - there are many images showing a variety of uses, from film backgrounds (Cider House Rules) to visualisations of land restoration projects. They certainly give new users something to aspire to. One of WCS's strengths is its ability to import data from Geographical Information Systems. Widely used in local government, planning, research and many other fields, GIS data allows WCS to model the real world - users can then apply modifications either in the GIS or in WCS itself in order to visualise changes to the environment such as forest clearing or new buildings. Great attention has been paid to making sure that GIS data can be imported smoothly from as many formats as possible, and WCS is therefore a n immensely valuable tool for anyone involved in communicating environmental change. For users who don't have access to this kind of data, and are perhaps using it in a more "creative" way, WCS can generate random landscapes, over which the user can then digitise vectors to hold the various
landscape-modifying effects. The capabilities of the program mean that it can require some intensive processing. You will learn (as I am doing) to optimise your data and the way you use WCS to visualise it, so that you don't waste processing time and effort on aspects of the image that can't be seen. There are all kinds of discussions going on among users about the "ideal system" and best graphics card to use, and since there are no built-in limits to a project's complexity, it really does depend on the hardware you use. I have experienced crashes, corruptions and slow running, but I think these are due to me pushing my 350MHz/128Mb/crap graphics card system to its limits with a dataset that is a bit too big. I'm trying hard to get the system upgraded! Since I first used the program, v5 has come out, with major improvements to the way the program works, and includes a much more comprehensive on-line help system, but with no tutorials in the manual. There are, however, some available on-line - they're written by someone outside the company but excellent nonetheless. Comments on v5 have been very favourable, and it seems to have further reinforced WCS's position as the best tool for landscape visualisation. A major source of support as users have changed over to v5 has been the WCS mailing list, which can be found at egroups. To my mind, this is is a huge strength of WCS, as messages are read and responded to by 3Dnature staff as a matter of course, as well as many WCS users, both newbie and veteran, who use the program for work or pleasure (although given the price, there probably aren't many of the latter). The atmosphere is extremely friendly and supportive, and there is no such thing as a stupid question – I think everyone remembers only too well when *they* were new! Being on egroups, there is also a large archive of messages to browse before jumping in with your question. Support is given for
all versions of the program, although only the current version receives update patches, and suggestions for new features are taken very seriously - many of the new-to-v5 features arose from the users' "wish list". I should be receiving a copy of v5 in a few weeks, and will add to this review when I've had chance to explore the new features. But the concepts and capabilities mentioned above have, to my knowledge, been carried over to the new version, and the friendly, supportive ethos of the company remains unchanged.


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Ummmm . . .
!Please keep this thread polite and respectful!
Yes, I do not know what her name is. I just saw her in Pixel Dan's 'SDCC 2013 walkthrough with Toyguru' video. I think it was very nice to see her with Toyguru, handling the toys (no dirty jokes here please!). As I have no chance to attend the conferences I do not know whether this was the first time Toyguru had an assistant. But I definitely hope we will see this girl again with Dan and Toyguru in next walkthrough videos!
Please show your support.
Ummmm . . .
My seller/trader/buyer feedback:
MOTUC Most Wanted: 1) Stridor 2) Road Ripper 3) Dragon Walker 4) Land Shark
I mean, we have supermodels selling EVERYTHING: do we need another one promoting MOTUC? My guess is: no.
Of course I have nothing against the girl herself, I dont even know her.
I'll make this as polite as possible: This sort of thing is not a good idea. I'm sure many people watching the video found her attractive, but let's leave it at that, and unsaid, and not go uber-creepy.
MOTUC Wishlist: Songster, Evil Robot, Tuvar and Badra, Game Master, Grayskull Robot, Andros, Monstroid, the new villains from He-Ro/Dare
Yup, I see this thread going well with a long and fruitful life...
"Wheresoever on earth he dwells, man is prey to two weaknesses: the need to pray and the need to love."-Marquis de Sade
"It is not by reasoning or by our understanding that we have received our religion; it is by external authority and command."-Michel De Montaigne
Heretical Vintage Purist and Non-Fan Extraordinaire!
Man, reading some of the FB responses about her...it's sickening how rude some people can be (especially about someone that you don't even know!).
She's a cute girl...and that's that.
So, just to combat the FB posts...yes...I will show my support for her
Tell me, what was it about her personality that you enjoyed so much?
PoP Variants are part of the vintage line, too! Starburst She-Ra, Shower Power Catra, and Scratchin' Sound Catra for 2015!!!
You're all a bunch of cynics! Haha!
MOTUC: What we need NOW:
KARG, Eldor, Horde Troopers, NA Skeletor, Sagitar
FB is basically the equivalent of Internet comment forums. If you value your sanity, it's a good idea to minimize exposure to them or you may find yourself in a running battle as I did last Friday with a charming individual. I'd imagine even Dan probably gets his share of raging haters on FB if he has a MOTU related page there.
Good Traders:
fbiagentcooper, The_Donster, Captain Miro, Satonic, grimghost, robb
Um yeah, this is sorta wierd lol.
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NEW YORK (Aug. 25)
Plans for the construction of a new $400,000 complex of buildings for the Beth Rikvah School for girls, in the Lubavitcher village of Kfar Chabad, Israel, were announced here today by the Lubavitcher movement.
The first building of the complex, which can accommodate 50 girls, has already been completed, and other buildings are scheduled for completion within the next few months. The school has an enrollment of 400 girls.


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For example:
- Fran told us how her boyfriend gets horny after two or three drinks. But if he has any more than that, all he wants to do is sleep.
- The nurses say they get sick of pushing away the hands of horny male patients.
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What the f*!# are we supposed to call you now?
Captain President America?
President Captain America?
Maybe just President Cap... Commander and Chief of the Armed Services, S.H.I.E.L.D., and the Ultimates. Boy is that a mouthful!
I can't wrap my head around this. Why don't you sound off below and give me a hand with this conundrum.


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Tiina Tamm
Tiina Tamm gained her B.S. degree in biology with honors at the University of Tartu, Tartu, Estonia. In 1992, she started her career in plant virology research at the National Institute of Chemical Physics and Biophysics, Tallinn, Estonia. She obtained the M.S. degree in molecular biology in 1994 and the Ph.D. degree in molecular biology as well in 2000 at the University of Tartu. She subsequently became a Postdoctoral Fellow at the Paterson Institute for Cancer Research, UK (2002-2005). Since 2005, Tamm has been a Researcher at the Institute of Molecular and Cell biology, University of Tartu. Her research interests include the genome organization of sobemoviruses, the programmed ribosomal frameshifting, and polyprotein processing.
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Regulators lift Metro Bancorp consent order
The Pennsylvania Department of Banking has terminated the consent order it issued two years ago against Metro Bancorp Inc., the parent company of Metro Bank.
The department issued a termination order May 30, effective retroactively as of April 12, the holding company said Wednesday in a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
The original order was dated April 29, 2010, and was issued in conjunction with a similar order from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., Metro's federal regulator.
The orders required Metro to "correct and prevent certain unsafe or unsound banking practices and violations of law or regulation," Metro said in its annual report for 2011. Metro was enjoined to ensure compliance with the federal Bank Secrecy Act and the rules of the Office of Foreign Assets Control.
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Two West Johnston football players sign with colleges
Posted June 23, 2014
Two graduating seniors from the Class of 2014 at West Johnston High School will continue their football careers in college.
According to West Johnston football coach Jimmy Williams, Josh Banfalvy and Deondre Gunter will both play college football this fall.
Banfalvy, a 6-foot-5 and 240-pound tight end, has signed with Old Dominion. Last season, Banfalvy caught 42 passes for 223 yards.
Gunter is a defensive end, standing at 6-foot-2 and 210 pounds. He has signed with NC Wesleyan. Last season, Gunter recorded 18 tackles, including six tackles for a loss and three sacks.
West Johnston posted a 4-7 overall record, including a 2-4 mark in the Greater Neuse River 4-A Conference.


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The Territorial Cup is the prize, a 100-year-old trophy given to the winner of the annual in-state rivalry game.
Momentum is the means to that silvery end.
On Friday night, visiting Arizona State had too much of it for the UA to counter. Marion Grice ran for three touchdowns and 156 yards as the Sun Devils scored 24 consecutive fourth-quarter points and left Tucson with a 41-34 victory.
And, with it, the Cup.
"Any time there's a turnover either way, it's a huge momentum swing," UA coach Rich Rodriguez said. "There's never one play that beats you. There are several plays. There were times that we were just hanging on. There were times we were hanging on all year. …"
With the victory in the final regular-season game, ASU (7-5, 5-4 Pac-12) pulled even with the Wildcats in overall record and moved one game ahead in the conference standings.
The UA (7-5, 4-5) will learn its postseason fate sometime in the next week; a trip to the New Mexico or Kraft Fight Hunger bowls now seems likely. The visiting team has now won the last four Territorial Cup games.
The game was Arizona's to lose - and then they lost it.
In one furious fourth-quarter span, the Devils forced and recovered a fumble, blocked a punt, intercepted a pass, scored three touchdowns and hit a field goal.
It all started with the strangest play of the game.
UA quarterback Matt Scott fumbled as he attempted to hurdle a Sun Devils linebacker with the UA driving and leading by a touchdown with 9 minutes remaining. He mistimed his jump, however, and landed on his feet just in time to get hit. The ball came out and squirted toward midfield, and the Devils recovered.
Grice's 4-yard touchdown run, his third score of the day, pulled the Sun Devils even. Grice was named the game's most outstanding player.
The Wildcats took over with a chance to regain the lead, but went three-and-out.
Well, four-and-over.
Kevin Ayers blocked Kyle Dugandzic's punt attempt, and the Sun Devils downed the ball at Arizona's 8. Running back Cameron Marshall scored one play later, putting the Devils ahead for good.
The next few minutes were a blur for the Wildcats; Scott was intercepted by Robert Nelson, who returned the ball to the 2. Michael Eubank's scoring dive put the Devils up by two touchdowns - too much to overcome, even for Arizona's high-powered offense.
While the Wildcats were able to drive and score in 57 seconds, John Bonano's onside kick failed - and with it went any chance for a comeback.
The Devils then ran the clock out.
Arizona outgained the Wildcats 522 yards to 460, but turned the ball over four times. Scott had an up-and-down Senior Night, completing 19 of 39 passes for 230 yards and three touchdowns. Scott was intercepted three times. He was not made available to the media after the game.
Running back Daniel Jenkins said the Cats' quarterback had nothing to be ashamed of. "I would tell him not to hang his head at all," he said. "You win some, you lose some, but at the end of the day, he's a helluva quarterback."
Tailback Ka'Deem Carey ran 25 times for 172 yards, setting the UA's single-season rushing mark, but was limited for most of the second half because of a collarbone injury.
With the game's two stars - Carey and ASU defensive lineman Will Sutton - out, the teams turned to backups and down-the-depth-chart players to produce.
Arizona, for a while, found the right guys. The Wildcats scored 18 consecutive points to finish the third quarter, and seemed to have all the momentum.
Bonano booted a field goal and ran in a fake PAT for a two-point conversion and Garic Wharton and Austin Hill caught touchdown passes as the Wildcats took a 27-17 lead.
The kicker's run came after arguably the catch of the year, a 40-yard pass from Scott to Wharton. Wharton, a speed merchant not known for his hands, leapt in traffic, caught the pass, landed, spun and ran in for the score.
Nose tackle Tevin Hood, a walk-on whose brother, Jaxon, is a scholarship player at ASU, posted a team-high 10 tackles. Jenkins ran for a career-high 78 yards in relief of an injured Carey, keeping the Wildcats' scoring drives alive - and the momentum going.
Hood said the game lived up to the hype.
"Everybody comes to play, it's more intense," he said. "I expected it to live up to this."


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Utah basketball: Utes blast Arizona State at home
UU Provo, UTFeb. 28, 2014 10:07 p.m.
Who ya gonna trust? Helms or ESPN/NCAA/State of Utah?
Clark W. Griswold Sandy, UtahFeb. 28, 2014 6:08 p.m.
@ CordonBleu
"The truth is the 1944 field was soooo weak that NOBODY can legitimately claim a national championship"
Probably just as weak as the 1984 Holiday Bowl match up that nobody can legitimately claim was a National Championship.
"The Utes won a watered-down NCAA tournament after getting bounced from the NIT in the first round and only beating one college team during the entire regular season - a 4-1 record versus college teams doesn't merit a national championship in anyone's book"
The Cougs won the most watered-down "national championship game" in history of college football when they beat a 6-6 Michigan team (barely bowl eligible). Makes them undeserving of that title!
Even if Utah lost the first round of the NIT, they went on to win the NCAA National Championship in 1944 and then they beat the NIT champion at Madison Square Garden after claiming their title.
That fact is that both the NCAA and ESPN say Utah won the National Championship in basketball in 1944. If you want proof, go to ESPN's website and go to Utah basetball's page and go to their tournament history. At the bottom of the page it says "Defeated Dartmouth in National Championship Game, 42-40"
LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 28, 2014 5:20 p.m.
The Helms Athletic Foundation
- Founded in 1936 by Bill Schroeder and Paul Helms
- Put together a panel of experts to select National Champion teams in a number of college sports including football and basketball
- The panel met annually to vote on a National Champion from 1936 until 1982 (47 years)
- Operated a Hall of Fame for both college sports
- When the Helms Foundation dissolved in 1982, its historical holdings were absorbed into the collection of the Amateur Athletic Foundation, renamed the LA84 Foundation in 2007
- The LA84 Foundation still exists today and has invested more than $197 million in Southern California by awarding grants to youth sports organizations, initiating sports and coaching education programs, and operating the world's premier sports library
CordonBleu Park City, UTFeb. 28, 2014 3:16 p.m.
Clark W. Griswold
The truth is the 1944 field was soooo weak that NOBODY can legitimately claim a national championship.
The Utes won a watered-down NCAA tournament after getting bounced from the NIT in the first round and only beating one college team during the entire regular season - a 4-1 record versus college teams doesn't merit a national championship in anyone's book.
UU Provo, UTFeb. 28, 2014 3:15 p.m.
Sports Fan,
Who do you trust? Helms or ESPN, NCAA and the U of U / State of Utah?
Where is this helms foundation today? Are they ghosts?
They must have had a phenomenal impact on the college sports world if they disappeared as quickly as they arrived. How soon after 1947 did they become insolvent?
AZUTE1 Mesa, AZFeb. 28, 2014 12:26 p.m.
"the Pac is weak UCla loses to a very bad Oregon team. Zona isn't a top ten team either. The Pac will be majorly exposed come tournament time. Mark that down"
I realize you merely glanced at the final score and know nothing regarding what in fact occurred w/in the game itself, as well as what national experts readily state in regard to the sort of threat Oregon poses, so I'll fill-in the blanks for you--
UCLA suspended their top 2 players immediately before this game was played, yet they still managed to take Oregon to double-OT.
Furthermore, Oregon is widely considered to be a real threat to any team they play against, in spite of their losses w/in conference play. They possess enough talent to be capable of beating any opponent they face. Look no further than the fact that 4 of their Ls were by merely 2 points and a 5th L was by 4 points.
UO went undefeated in OOC and, in viewing byu fan's current go-to reference of RPI ranking as the end all, we see UO at #32 w/0 bad losses.
Clark W. Griswold Sandy, UtahFeb. 28, 2014 10:25 a.m.
@ SportsFan
Too bad Army's sports department doesn't recognize their 1944 Helm's Foundation #1 ranking or whatever. They don't even recognize they won a National Championship in basketball that year.
But the NCAA and ESPN both recognize that Utah won the National Championship in 1944. It's too bad that some BYU fans will go at great lengths to try and discredit it.
It you want proof, look at the rafters in the Huntsman Center. There you will see our National Championship banner and our Final Four banners which is something BYU will never see in the Marriott Center.
jarka-rus Layton, UtahFeb. 28, 2014 10:21 a.m.
the Pac is weak UCla loses to a very bad Oregon team. Zona isn't a top ten team either. The Pac will be majorly exposed come tournament time. Mark that down
SportsFan Orem, UTFeb. 27, 2014 6:16 p.m.
As Uteanymous Posted
"The Helms Athletic Foundation was an athletic foundation based in Los Angeles, founded in 1936 by Bill Schroeder and Paul Helms. It put together a panel of experts to select National Champion teams and make All-America team selections in a number of college sports including football and basketball.
From 1939, when the NCAA Tournament started, the Helms and NCAA Division I champions were the same, except for 1939, 1940, 1944, and 1954 when Oregon, Indiana, Utah, and La Salle respectively won the tournament.
In 1944, the Helms Foundation was the only credible, neutral organization not associate with the NCAA or NIT in the business of recognizing national champions in basketball."
To summarize:
The NCAA champion was NOT the national champion in 1944, but WAS the national champion in 1947.
U 90 Corona, CAFeb. 27, 2014 5:06 p.m.
Sports Fan,
No he didn't.
Why don't you summarize Truth Machine's response to the 1947 NIT for all of us.
Hint: You won't be able to because while TM says, "Neither '44 nor '47 were national championships", he does not provide any evidence around the '47 NIT.
SportsFan Orem, UTFeb. 27, 2014 3:24 p.m.
Truth Machine already answered your question.
U 90 Corona, CAFeb. 27, 2014 7:53 a.m.
Rockwell, killarney and Truth,
I will take your non-response to the 1947 NIT question as agreement that Utah did indeed win a National Championship.
StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UTFeb. 26, 2014 11:20 p.m.
Rockwell, and ARMY doesn't even list their Helms #1 ranking in their official records, nor any national title, evidence that the only people who consider that a better achievement than a Tournament title are those that want to discredit the winners of the title.
Rockwell Baltimore, MDFeb. 26, 2014 9:00 p.m.
Clark W. Griswold
Did Utah end up beating the NIT Champion after winning the NCAA National Championship in 1944?
Not in a game that counted - Utah doesn't even list the game in their final season record.
CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZFeb. 26, 2014 6:47 p.m.
I've said it from the beginning that ASU is a surprise this year in basketball. AS to Utah's Two BCS Bowl wins, If ASU had to beat Wyoming, UNLV, New Mexico, et al. in order to get to a BSC game, I suppose ASU would have won several. When Utah makes it to the Rose Bowl going through the PAC-12, then you can talk all you want. ASU did it once which is more than your weak MWC schedule 2004 and 2008 years can say. With that, good bye!
LOL at talking about the 1940's.
Protecting This House Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 26, 2014 5:29 p.m.
CSD's spins would have been much different had his sun devils won. Now he's trying to downplay things..."We know we're not a basketball school...well at least we have football." Yeah, we do, too. Two BCS bowl wins, versus zero for your sun devils. The fact of the matter is, the Utes spanked your sun devils, and it hurts. Sour grapes are still sour grapes.
U 90 Corona, CAFeb. 26, 2014 3:27 p.m.
You're so right the world revolves around Arizona. If you're not from Arizona you amount to nothing and have no life. How's that philosophy working for you CSD? Apparently pretty well considering you spend all day commenting on Utah stories. Crack me up.
U 90 Corona, CAFeb. 26, 2014 3:26 p.m.
This is outstanding, we have a bunch of BYU fans (Rockwell, Killarney and Truth to name a few) on a Utah thread trying to disprove Utah's NC (obsessed much boys?). Yet none of you have an answer for the 1947 NIT. If the NIT was the more prestigious tournament (per Rockwell), then Utah won the NC in 1947 per your criteria.
Start the spin cycle Y fans.
Clark W. Griswold Sandy, UtahFeb. 26, 2014 3:09 p.m.
@ Rockwell
You forgot one!
Did Utah end up beating the NIT Champion after winning the NCAA National Championship in 1944?
Utah not only won the NCAA National Championship in 1944, they also beat St. John's (NIT Champion) shortly after winning the NCAA Tournament.
The National Championship banner resides in the rafters in the Huntsman Center. Along with our Final Four appearances.
Rockwell Baltimore, MDFeb. 26, 2014 2:29 p.m.
Did Utah 1944 play a meaningless regular season basketball "schedule" which was actually nothing more than a bunch of pickup games?
Did Utah turn down an invitation to the NCAA in order to play in the more prestigious NIT?
Did Utah lose in the 1st round of the NIT?
So how does winning the less prestigious tournament of the day qualify the Utes for a NC?
The truth is Utah won the NCAA tournament against the weakest field ever to play in the tournament and the 2nd best tournament of the day, nothing more.
CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZFeb. 26, 2014 1:38 p.m.
Oh yeah, well my grandpa's dentures have been to more states than your grandpa's dentures! Seriously guys, if you could only hear what you guys are saying. Talking about the glory days of 1944. WOW.
Watch out for that tree!
CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZFeb. 26, 2014 1:36 p.m.
"CSD, I'm not sure what's more funny... that Utah handed ASU their second worst beat down of the season, or the cut and paste below from the espn webiste (sic)."
Who cares? The only people that need to justify the relevancy of their program reside north of Arizona. I don't need to defend ASU's basketball program because we're not a Basketball school. You want a basketball school? Go south of Phoenix. Everyone in ASU knows it and we don't need to try and justify our bad years because we get it. We're not a basketball power. Neither is Utah. But then, we at least have football. Oh, and I believe I already said congrats on the win against ASU. Of course, you must have overlooked that. But only a Utah fan would gloat over a win like that because Utah truly has very little to brag about.
StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UTFeb. 26, 2014 1:18 p.m.
killarney, I suggest you read the March 1963 Sports Illustrated article "Reprieve for Redskins." It details the actual events surrounding postseason play in that day and age, and why Utah initially picked the NIT over the NCAA (had nothing to do with "prestige"), and the teams that they played, including a stacked Dartmouth team in the title game. Yours is biased revisionist history.
U 90 Corona, CAFeb. 26, 2014 1:08 p.m.
@Truth "Utah claims a 22-4 record in 1944. Utah's verifiable record in official games versus actual college teams was 4-1"
Did Utah go to the NCAA tournament in 1944 and win it? Answer: Yes.
You do realize that you're asking people to believe Y fans over the NCAA, the U of U and ESPN. It boils down to the credibility of the source. I'll take my chances with the NCAA, U of U and espn.
Even if you were right there's still the 1947 NIT which you have yet to explain. Isn't it Y fans that keep telling us the NIT was the real NC back in the 40's? Utah won that tourny in '47. Explain how that one is not an NC.
killarney Lincoln Park, ILFeb. 26, 2014 1:01 p.m.
Truth Machine
Apparently, the only thing that "qualified" the 1944 Utes for an invitation to the NIT and/or NCAA was having a college basketball team.
They certainly didn't earn anything by beating Colorado College and winning a bunch of pickup games.
So Utah spurns an invitation to the 2nd rate NCAA tournament, to accept an invitation to the more prestigious NIT. Only after getting bounced from the NIT in the 1st round, did the Utes accept a 2nd desperate invitation from the NCAA, winning three games against teams composed mostly of freshmen, because all of the upper-classmen were busy fighting WWII.
Then they claim they "won" the NC by playing a charity, exhibition game that the Utes don't even count as an official game.
btw, why weren't Fort Warren, Salt Lake Air Base, or Dow Chemical invited to the NCAA, after all, they beat the Utes head-to-head, which as we all know, proves they were better than the Utes.
Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 26, 2014 12:13 p.m.
Neither '44 nor '47 were national championships.
Utah claims a 22-4 record in 1944.
Utah's verifiable record in official games versus actual college teams was 4-1.
Utah's 1944 Basketball Schedule
18th Replacement Wing 48-24
A.S.T.P. Company D 51-21
A.S.T.P. Company B 76-24
@Hill Field Fliers 61-26
@Weber 63-25
@Weber Navy 60-25
@Kearns 2nd Air Force 45-35
Fort Douglas 41-26
@Wendover Bomber Quintet 64-28
Idaho State 54-43
Ecker Studio 46-44
@Colorado College 48-34
@Fort Logan 55-38
@Fort Warren 59-61
Kearns 57-37
Salt Lake Air Base 39-54
Bushnell Hospital 78-31
@Idaho State 52-40
Dow Chemical 36-46
Salt Lake Air Base 62-38
Kentucky 38-46
Missouri 45-35
Iowa State 40-31
Dartmouth 42-40 (OT)
There's not a shred of evidence that any of the opposing players in Utah's pickup games even played high school ball, let alone college ball, including the three teams - Fort Warren, Salt Lake Air Base, and Dow Chemical - that beat Utah.
Idaho State's official website claims the Bengals didn't play any games in 1943-44.
DraperUteFan Draper, UTFeb. 26, 2014 12:02 p.m.
Snack PAC, dude I've seen some hair splitting efforts in my time but you are swerving into Clintonesque spin territory.
B C, whether Utah's 1944 year is audacity or not can be debated endlessly, frankly I don't care...the banner is in the rafters and the NCAA recognizes the championship. Go back and listen to Billy Packer talk about Utah during their final four run in 98. He talked about Arnie Ferrin and the Utes being "national champions" in 1944. I don't judge the program solely on that year. Utah has a body of work over time that gives them a #19 ranking by Sagarin.
Audacious is BYU being voted national champions in 1984 with the worst SOS in the history of CFB cnamp, not beating a single ranked team that year, and defeating a .500 team to be declared national champs. But guess what...it is in the history books as a NC and I accept it. Why don't you all let 1944 go already? Let history remain history.
U 90 Corona, CAFeb. 26, 2014 10:33 a.m.
CSD, I'm not sure what's more funny... that Utah handed ASU their second worst beat down of the season, or the cut and paste below from the espn webiste.
4 Final Fours
35-30 Tournament Record
1 Championship Seasons
27 Tournament Appearances
0 Final Fours
13-14 Tournament Record
0 Championship SeasonsNone
13 Tournament Appearances
CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZFeb. 26, 2014 10:09 a.m.
Oh this is hilarious reading about posts talking about events that happened within 10 years of the end of World War II and trying to explain how good a program is based on what happened before most people on this board were born.
This is why no one outside the state of Utah cares about BYU or Utah. When a tree falls in Utah, no one outside the Zion Curtin hears it. Trust me.
U 90 Corona, CAFeb. 26, 2014 9:02 a.m.
BC, so your saying ESPN and the NCAA are not credible sources?
Uteanymous, lets assume that the whole universe agrees with you that the Helms Foundation is more credible than ESPN and the NCAA... which is a big stretch. Utah still won the 1947 NIT and therefore has a national championship.
BYU won the 1951 NIT but it was not considered an NC because in 1950 there was a point shaving in the NIT that cemented it's place as the #2 tournament. You can google that... there's plenty of support.
Net/net, you either award Utah a national championship in 1944 or 1947, you pick.
StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UTFeb. 26, 2014 7:55 a.m.
BC, I'd love to see you have the audacity to tell Arnie Ferrin to his face that he's not a "real" national champion.
Uteanymous Salt Lake City, UtahFeb. 25, 2014 11:33 p.m.
The Helms Athletic Foundation was an athletic foundation based in Los Angeles, founded in 1936 by Bill Schroeder and Paul Helms. It put together a panel of experts to select National Champion teams and make All-America team selections in a number of college sports including football and basketball.
From 1939, when the NCAA Tournament started, the Helms and NCAA Division I champions were the same, except for 1939, 1940, 1944, and 1954 when Oregon, Indiana, Utah, and La Salle respectively won the tournament.
In 1944, the Helms Foundation was the only credible, neutral organization not associate with the NCAA or NIT in the business of recognizing national champions in basketball.
B C Park City, UTFeb. 25, 2014 11:17 p.m.
Cite a credible source of the day that named Utah the 1944 national champs.
ESPN didn't even exist in 1944 and the NCAA obviously had a vested interest in their own tournament.
Name one other team in the history of college basketball that only beat one college team during the entire regular season of basketball, but had the audacity to claim they were national champions.
UU Provo, UTFeb. 25, 2014 9:56 p.m.
@ killarney "Since the 60's, the NCAA tournament winner has been recognized as the defacto national champion; that wasn't the case in 1944."
Cite a credible source to support that killarney
killarney Lincoln Park, ILFeb. 25, 2014 9:51 p.m.
Elmer Fudd
Since the 60's, the NCAA tournament winner has been recognized as the defacto national champion; that wasn't the case in 1944.
The fact remains, the Utes only beat a couple of college teams during the 1943-44 regular season, then won the most watered down NCAA tournament in history, against teams made up mostly of freshmen and sophomores, in the 2nd rate tournament of the day.
UU Provo, UTFeb. 25, 2014 9:16 p.m.
Lonestar & Snack,
So what you're saying is that we should all take your word over ESPN and the NCAA?
Elmer Fudd Sandy, UtahFeb. 25, 2014 6:52 p.m.
@ PACute
"The official NCAA website has a webpage with the header
NCAA - Men's Basketball - Championship History -
which lists Utah as the 1944 champion.
It doesn't anything about the Utes being the national champions"
So your saying Louisville did NOT win the National Championship last year and Kentucky did NOT win it the year before that? All those NCAA tournaments UCLA won in the 60's and 70's are NOT National Champions because it doesn't say "National Champions" on their website. I looked at the whole list of champions on the NCAA website and it didn't say anything about National Champions for any of the NCAA tournament champions. So which is it? Either all the NCAA tournament champions are National Champions or they're not. Take your pick?
PACute_ Salt Lake City, UtahFeb. 25, 2014 5:59 p.m.
The official NCAA website has a webpage with the header
NCAA - Men's Basketball - Championship History -
which lists Utah as the 1944 champion.
It doesn't anything about the Utes being the national champions.
MountainMan25 Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 25, 2014 5:26 p.m.
Nice win, but it would be nice to have a winning record in PAC 12 play in either football or basketball one of these years...
DraperUteFan Draper, UTFeb. 25, 2014 9:57 a.m.
Lonestar, split hairs all you want and debate the efficacy of the 1944 championship, but the official NCAA website lists Utah as the 1944 champ. BYU has a national championship in football in 1984 and though people debate it ad infinitum, it is in the record books and will always be, so that is enough for me.
On the one hand you and your cohorts keep telling us to only pay attention to the Dave Rose era, yet keep hearkening back to the 1944 season. Furthermore, nobody is arguing that Utah hasn't been good the last decade. They began a spiral during Giacoletti and it got worse under Boylen. Bad hires led to bad results. Utah is improving and should eventually return to NCAA tournament bids in the near future.
As for Rose's record and results against Utah, congratulations. He is a very good coach and has had some solid results. He is the classiest coach BYU has had in my lifetime. He has had very good success overall, but the trend since joining the WCC is moving away from winning conference championships.
Snack PAC Olympus Cove, UtahFeb. 25, 2014 9:14 a.m.
Compared to Utah's 1943-44 regular season basketball schedule, BYU's 1984 football team played an NFL caliber schedule.
btw, you don't win a national championship by winning the 2nd rate tournament of the day, after losing in the opening round in the premier tournament.
LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 25, 2014 9:08 a.m.
Thanks for the ancient history lesson.
The NCAA wasn't in charge of determining the national champion in 1943-44; in fact, the NCAA tournament was the 2nd rate tournament of the day, the baby brother to the NIT.
It's questionable whether Utah played more than one college basketball team during the entire 1943-44 regular season.
Utah claims they beat Idaho State twice, yet Idaho State's year-by-year results list 1943-44 -
No Games--World War II.
The only other college team Utah played during the 1943-44 regular season was Colorado College.
As far as recent history during the Dave Rose era:
BYU 229-76(75%), 9 20+ win seasons, 6 going on 7 NCAAs, 2 NITs, 4-6 in the NCAA, 1 Sweet 16, 4 conference championships, 12-3 versus Utah, including 7 of the last 8
Utah 133-146(48%), 1 20+ win season, 6 losing seasons, 1 NCAA, 0-1 in the NCAA, 1 conference championship
It's hilarious when Utah fans mock BYU for early exits from the NCAA since the Utes haven't won a single NCAA tournament game in almost a decade.
ImaUteFan West Jordan, UTFeb. 25, 2014 8:43 a.m.
So what I'm getting from this discussion is that BYU fans are trying to prove that Utah's 1944 national basketball championship is as fake as their own national football championship in '84. Whatever makes you feel better, I guess.
The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.
DraperUteFan Draper, UTFeb. 25, 2014 8:23 a.m.
The irony of BYU fans trying to discredit Utah's basketball tradition is comical. People can argue the national championship status ad nauseum, but the banner is in the Huntsman Center and Utah is recognized as the official champ in 1944 by the NCAA governing body.
Since BYU fans love to trot out their RPI, SOS, and every other stat, the body of work over time is quite telling:
Sagarin All Time NCAA Basketball Rankings
Utah #19
Sweet 16 Appearances
Utah 15
Elite 8 Appearances
Utah 6
Final 4 Appearances
Utah 4
My personal favorite...number of first round NCAA tourney exits
Utah 6
BYU will likely extend their glorious history of first round exit once again this year.
Uteanymous Salt Lake City, UtahFeb. 24, 2014 10:30 p.m.
"Did BYU play in the tournament in 1944?"
BYU, along with the vast majority of other schools, suspended their basketball program in December 1943.
That's why the only college teams Utah played during the entire 1943-44 regular season were Idaho State and Colorado College because there were, quite literally, absolutely no other colleges within the entire Intermountain region that were still playing basketball.
The few remaining teams nationwide who were still playing basketball were composed almost entirely of freshmen and a few sophomores because the vast majority of upper classmen were busy either fighting or preparing to fight a world war.
Utah did win the 1947 NIT and BYU won the 1951 NIT; unfortunately, neither was a national championship.
Uteology East Salt Lake City, UtahFeb. 24, 2014 8:26 p.m.
Gilbert, AZ
Bleed Crimson
Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but the winner of the NCAA tournament was not the defacto national champion in 1944.
A team that only beat Idaho St (twice) and Colorado College during the entire 1944 season wouldn't have even merited an invite to a post season tournament if the NIT and NCAA hasn't been so desperate just to get anybody to play in their tournaments.
Did BYU play in the tournament in 1944? I guess they weren't "desperate to get anybody to play in their tournaments" after all.
We won the NCAA championship in 1944.
Three years later, we won the NIT championship in 1947.
Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 24, 2014 7:46 p.m.
@ LonestarRunner
Utah won the NIT in 1947, so either way Utah won a championship....
talkinsports Gilbert, AZFeb. 24, 2014 7:37 p.m.
Bleed Crimson
Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but the winner of the NCAA tournament was not the defacto national champion in 1944.
A team that only beat Idaho St (twice) and Colorado College during the entire 1944 season wouldn't have even merited an invite to a post season tournament if the NIT and NCAA hasn't been so desperate just to get anybody to play in their tournaments.
StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UTFeb. 24, 2014 7:34 p.m.
Truth Machine, ARMY's own sports information department doesn't even consider their Helms #1 ranking a "national championship," nobody outside of Utah County does, either. ARMY went 15-0 during the 1943-44 season, but did not play in any postseason tournament. Top to bottom, the NIT may have been the stronger tournament at the time, but Dartmouth was widely viewed as the best team in the country, essentially having a hand-picked all-star roster of players that weren't even really students, but training for military service and permitted to participate in athletics. Utah may not have been the best team in the land, but quite often a team that is not the best team happens to win it all, and they did. Teams like these, like 1986 NC State, are part of what makes college sports so great. In the annals of history, Utah is and will always be considered National Champions, no matter how you and other Provo faithful deny it.
LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 24, 2014 7:31 p.m.
News For U
BYU was selected CONSENSUS National Champions by every major selecting organization in 1984 after finishing the season on a 24-game winning streak with FIVE Top 12 finishes and back-to-back Top 7 finishes in six years. BYU had more Top 12, 11+ win seasons in those 6 years alone, than the Utes have had in their entire history.
The NCAA was the baby sister of the NIT in 1944. NO major organization named Utah national champion. Army finished the season 15-0 and was selected national champion by the Helms Athletic Foundation. The game versus St. John's was an exhibition fund raiser and didn't even count as a real game; unlike the vast majority of Utah's 1944 pickup games against the likes of Kearns and Ecker Studio.
pocyUte Pocatello, IDFeb. 24, 2014 7:22 p.m.
Bleed Crimson,
this is a case where the Utes can have their cake and eat it to, cause in 1947, they were NIT champions.
Bleed Crimson Sandy, UtahFeb. 24, 2014 6:48 p.m.
@ Broken Truth Machine
ESPN would disagree with you. Check out their webpage and go to Utah basketball's page. Go to Utah's NCAA tournament history and go to the bottom. It says "Defeated Dartmouth in National Championship, 42-40".
Not only did Utah win the NCAA National Championship, they also went on to beat St. John's (NIT champion) shortly after in Madison Square Garden. Army was selected by s foundation, but they never played in the NCAA or the NIT tournament.
let's roll LEHI, UTFeb. 24, 2014 6:45 p.m.
Nice win. Defense needs to continue to be a constant because the offense has been hot and cold.
Would be great to get CO at home and then split the Bay Area road trip.
A conference tournament run (like last year) is within reach because so many of the PAC-12 teams play poorly away from home...Utah included...but solid defense is a good foundation and will likely keep the Utes in all games and give them a chance if they can get their offense going.
News For U Sandy, UtahFeb. 24, 2014 6:27 p.m.
@ Uteanymous
"Despite Utah's win in the most watered down NCAA tournament in history in a season in which the Utes didn't even play in a conference and only beat TWO college teams during the entire regular season"
Speaking of "watered down" post season. BYU played in the most watered down bowl game to claim their National Championship. Seriously, the 1984 Holiday Bowl had BYU playing a 6-6 Michigan team. The cougs didn't even play the #1 or #2 team for the title. It was because of that fiasco, the BCS was created. BYU played such a weak schedule and had some lucky breaks so they could get crowned. So the question is what is the difference between BYU and Utah's national championships?
"the Utes have NEVER won a national championship in basketball"
Yeah they did! According to ESPN dot com, (BYU's sugar daddy). On their website, if you go to Utah basketball's page. You'll see on the right hand side under "NCAA Tournament History", "Championship Seasons" and 1944 is recognized. If you want more proof. Click on the link "Tournament History" and scroll down to the bottom. It will say "Defeated Dartmouth in National Championship, 42-40".
TanMan_101 West Jordan, UTFeb. 24, 2014 6:24 p.m.
Like the runs into the sweet 16 in the MWC. Are those not good enough? Bogut got them to the sweet 16. Did King Jimmer do any better than that?
Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 24, 2014 6:11 p.m.
Nope, the Utes were champions of the NCAA tournament, which was the 2nd rate tournament of the day.
As proof...
Utah turned down the NCAA to accept an invitation to the NIT. It wasn't until after the Utes lost in the 1st round of the NIT, that they finally accepted a 2nd invitation to the NCAA, as a replacement for a team that was involved in a bus crash and couldn't make it to the tournament.
Army was named the 1944 National Champion by the only national championship selecting organization of the day.
ImaUteFan West Jordan, UTFeb. 24, 2014 4:51 p.m.
Ken - I made almost the exact same comment as you regarding ranked teams in the WCC except my comment was denied. Go figure.
Uteanymous - not sure where you are getting your information but Utah did in fact win the NCAA National Championship in 1944 by beating Dartmouth 42 - 40. Might want to take a peak at Wikipedia which lists all of the champions from 1939 - 2013. You'll find the Utes listed there.
LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 24, 2014 4:28 p.m.
"Utah's goal, to compete in the tournament."
LOL at your deluded spin.
When was the last time the Utes were competitive in the tournament?
Utah hasn't won a single game in almost a decade and even #1-draft pick Bogut couldn't get the Utes past the 2nd round.
The truth is Utah is a washed up has been that hasn't made any serious noise in the tournament since they were in the WAC.
Uteanymous Salt Lake City, UtahFeb. 24, 2014 4:12 p.m.
"BYU's goal, make the tournament.
Utah's goal, to compete in the tournament."
Don't kid yourself. Utah's goal was simply to finish with a winning record. The Utes forfeited any chance of even making the tournament before the season even began by scheduling the 350th WORST non-conference schedule in the country.
Uteanymous Salt Lake City, UtahFeb. 24, 2014 4:07 p.m.
News For U
Despite Utah's win in the most watered down NCAA tournament in history in a season in which the Utes didn't even play in a conference and only beat TWO college teams during the entire regular season, the Utes have NEVER won a national championship in basketball.
Army won the championship in 1944.
Ken Sandy, UTFeb. 24, 2014 4:03 p.m.
How come there are zero ranked teams from the WCC we keep hearing about? LOL indeed
No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 24, 2014 4:01 p.m.
"If BYU made the dance they would be gone first round, just like previous years. Truth is, they just don't have what it takes."
BYU 4-6 in the NCAA tournament during the Dave Rose era.
Utah 0-1 in the NCAA tournament during the same time period.
If BYU, with FOUR wins in SIX tournaments, just doesn't have "what it takes", what does that say about Utah, with ZERO wins in only ONE tournament?
Fans who live in crimson-colored bubbles on the hill should avoid throwing darts at other programs.
Jealous U Alpine, UTFeb. 24, 2014 3:48 p.m.
News For U
It's funny how Utah fans constantly malign BYU's football as "ancient history", yet have no problem touting Utah's basketball history all the way back to 1944.
Spin all you want about rankings, but, bottom line:
Most experts have BYU either in the tournament or on the bubble.
Nobody even mentions Utah.
Utah is paying the price for playing such a pathetically weak non-conference schedule. It is what it is.
Uteology East Salt Lake City, UtahFeb. 24, 2014 3:16 p.m.
BYU's goal, make the tournament.
Utah's goal, to compete in the tournament.
I have no problem with BYU fans being giddy about being a bubble team from 2-3 team conference, after being in the NIT last year. Improvement? Sure I guess!
Success is measured by tournament wins not tournament bids. Utah has a history to prove it, BYU does not. Utah is on its way back, there's no question about that.
jarka-rus Layton, UtahFeb. 24, 2014 2:56 p.m.
How come there is only 1 ranked team from this big bad boy conference we keep hearing about?? Ucla the latest to drop out of the rankings. LOL
Ken Sandy, UTFeb. 24, 2014 2:51 p.m.
I'm a Mormon who AGREES with ChrisB on the Sunday issue. I wish our fans would show up as well. I went to church Sunday morning and the ball game Sunday night. What is in your heart is what matters, not the specific things you do or don't do on Sundays. My name is Ken. I'm a lifelong Ute. I go the games even on Sundays. And I'm a Mormon(hope you all caught the not so subtle node to the Mormon videos there)
jarka-rus Layton, UtahFeb. 24, 2014 2:51 p.m.
so who has ASU beaten that gives them this solid, juggernaut team status? because they play in the mighty Pac, LOL. they haven't beaten anybody of note. Zona 2OT whoopee, they're overrated. Lost to Miami and they are one of the worst teams in the nation.
Spokane Ute Spokane, WAFeb. 24, 2014 2:28 p.m.
I didn't say one word about the Sunday game and attendance, merely that I like the Sunday games. Trolling a Utah thread hoping to pick an arguement? Par for the course. I'm sure the $22 million per year TV contract helps ease the slight attendance decrease.
gonefishn Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 24, 2014 2:19 p.m.
@AZ reader
"I am amused at how quickly these comments devolve into a BYU vs Utah screed. But I suppose that's the way it is in the Beehive State."
That is hilarious coming from a person from Tucson aka northern nogales
jsanders Draper , UTFeb. 24, 2014 1:54 p.m.
And yet the only 2 mentions of BYU by the time you commented were by a known Ute fan and yourself. Not a single one from a BYU fan. There was only one comment by a known BYU fan by that time, and he basically just congratulated the Utes on their win. So why the BYU paranoia? Are you just trying to stir the pot? Seems to be a juvenile attitude and action.
Uhh congratulating us for the win? Thats a reach... It also had several likes (aka more byu fans). Regardless, look at the article after my comment. Several BYU fans. Go compare an article from a ho-hum Utah win to an article from a byu win, and you will see what I am talking about. The contrast is staggering.. Go check out the Arizona article (taking a top 5 team to OT didnt stop several BYU fans from coming and talking trash) and go look at how many comments in the Gonzaga article, by BYU fans, mention Utah.
jazzer St. George, UTFeb. 24, 2014 1:49 p.m.
If BYU made the dance they would be gone first round, just like previous years. Truth is, they just don't have what it takes.
Danish American Payson, UTFeb. 24, 2014 1:50 p.m.
I think Coach K is a throw back to the classy coaches of yesteryear--Gardner and Primm to mention a couple of them. Too bad the fans aren't throw backs--rabid but classy.
BeSmart Cheyenne, WYFeb. 24, 2014 1:45 p.m.
Wow to the fan calling out other fans for not going to a game on sunday.
I wonder if he knows that even his own teams fans don't like him.
A game is a game.
azreader1 tucson, AZFeb. 24, 2014 1:17 p.m.
I am amused at how quickly these comments devolve into a BYU vs Utah screed. But I suppose that's the way it is in the Beehive State.
Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UTFeb. 24, 2014 12:41 p.m.
To all basketball fans in Utah (Not just Utah fans)
Delon Wright is special! You really need to see him in person. Last night he lead all players in assists, steals, rebounds, scoring, and tied Arizona State's 7'1" in blocked shots. He led in scoring by taking 7 shots (and making them all) and 8 for 10 free throws! That folks is special!
StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UTFeb. 24, 2014 12:33 p.m.
Apparently somebody was offended by my comment and had it removed. I apologize profusely for defending fans with religious practices that they choose to observe.
Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UTFeb. 24, 2014 12:09 p.m.
We are good and will make some noise in the CBI.
Go Utes!
UU Provo, UTFeb. 24, 2014 11:50 a.m.
What's your definition of cherry picking? Putting a premium on SOS in basketball only but not football? Looking at RPI only and never BPI or Sagarin? Ignoring head to head results? Or ignoring the fact that Utah has a better record than BYU in the WCC (1.000 vs .687) and the PAC 12 (.467 vs .333).
According to Sagarin Utah is #88 while BYU is #49. But keep in mind Utah has 3 strong teams left on the schedule while BYU has #121 San Diego + another cupcake to kick off the WCC tournament. By the end of the year don't be surprised if both teams SOS is in the 60's.
According to Sagarin:
Utah: 1-3 vs. top 25, 3-6 vs. top 100
BYU: 0-2 vs. top 25, 3-6 vs. top 100
BYU's worst loss of the season was at the hands of the Utes, yet most BYU fans want to write that off as an anomaly. I can guarantee you that had BYU won that game Y fans would be singing the praises of head-to-head results.
News For U Sandy, UtahFeb. 24, 2014 11:28 a.m.
@ No playoff for U
"Portland's last win in the NCAA - 2008, 70-69 versus Connecticut
Utah's last win in the NCAA - almost a decade ago"
BYU's 2010 basketball team is arguably one of their best teams in school history. Unfortunately the Sweet 16 is as far as they could go. The last time BYU made it that far in the NCAA tournament was Dannny Ainge's Elite 8 team 30 years before.
You can take jabs at Utah's NCAA drought all you want, but the fact remains Utah has been more successful in the NCAA tournament than BYU.
1 National Championship
1 National Runner-up
4 Final Fours
BYU has not advanced beyond the elite 8.
Jealous U Alpine, UTFeb. 24, 2014 11:13 a.m.
Utah fans are beginning to understand what most BYU fans understood before the season began, that playing the 350th worst OOC schedule would kill Utah's chances for an at-large berth in the NCAA.
BYU challenged themselves during the first two months of the season with one of the toughest schedules in the country.
Utah played a powder-puff schedule and pinned their entire pre-conference success on pulling off one upset win over their arch-rivals at home.
Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 24, 2014 10:56 a.m.
"How about you tell us the record of each team vs teams with RPI below 100?"
Rockwell already summarized the most pertinent overall results of the season.
#35 BYU is close to locking down an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament.
#89 Utah isn't even in the picture.
Swoop Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 24, 2014 10:52 a.m.
Without the fans "who will only support the team on certain days of the week," Utah would lose half of its fanbase.
Nice going insulting half your fellow Utah fans, though.
Rockwell Baltimore, MDFeb. 24, 2014 10:41 a.m.
Nice cherry-picking spin, but the overall records speak for themselves:
#35 BYU(20-10) #21 SOS, 7-6 versus RPI Top 100
#89 Utah(18-9) #140 SOS, 5-8 versus RPI Top 100
BYU is 6-9 in road/neutral games
Utah is 1-7 in road/neutral games
BYU is currently listed in the Last Four Byes in ESPN's Bracketology
Utah isn't even mentioned
Christopher B Ogden, UTFeb. 24, 2014 10:38 a.m.
How about you tell us the record of each team vs teams with RPI below 100?
Christopher B Ogden, UTFeb. 24, 2014 10:34 a.m.
Big time beatdown over a #32 RPI team.
To all the fans who came to support our team - thank you. To the "fans" who will only support the team on certain days of the week, no thanks to you. We should have had twice the number of fans show up yesterday.
Go UTES!
Rockwell Baltimore, MDFeb. 24, 2014 10:33 a.m.
Spokane Ute
"I love the Sunday games, the only game on TV."
Wednesday night's attendance - 14,266
Sunday night's attendance - 10,401 (almost 4,000 less)
Regardless of how you spin it, playing Sunday games at the HC has a significant negative impact on attendance.
No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 24, 2014 10:18 a.m.
Can't Say It
Portland's last win in the NCAA - 2008, 70-69 versus Connecticut
Utah's last win in the NCAA - almost a decade ago
The team you've never heard of has done better in the Big Dance lately than the Utes.
UU Provo, UTFeb. 24, 2014 10:10 a.m.
@Lambent "What's actually funny (in a strange way) is the paranoia exhibited by some Ute fans concerning BYU"
Says the BYU fan trolling Utah articles. Classic
Lambent Richfield, UTFeb. 24, 2014 10:12 a.m.
@ I Still Can't Say It:
Only a grade school basketball fan wouldn't know who Gonzaga is. Why would you or anyone else demonstrate their ignorance of college basketball by saying you'd never heard of Gonzaga, a team who has spent most of this season in the national rankings? That was a silly, self-deprecating way of trying to put BYU down. It didn't work.
@ ekute:
From past comments, and even the one he made on this post, I'm fairly certain Joe Schmoe is a Ute fan, which actually (but unintentionally) puts your comment in a better perspective by downplaying the significance of the pac12.
As such, the lol you made is actually on you and fellow Ute fans.
UU Provo, UTFeb. 24, 2014 10:07 a.m.
@ But seriously folks! "BYU was their only win with a sos over 200"
Per Sagarin, BYU has twice as many losses to crappy teams than Utah:
172 Loyola Mary
131 Pacific
120 Pepperdine
104 Portland
169 Washington State
99 Washington
BYU best wins 27 Gonzaga, 29 Stanford, 31 Texas
Utah best wins: 16 UCLA, 33 ASU, 42 BYU
killarney Lincoln Park, ILFeb. 24, 2014 10:08 a.m.
"Utah dominated a team from a real BCS conference."
The BCS no longer exists, but even when it did exist, it never had anything to do with basketball.
"BYU played some school I've never heard of before."
Utah is 1-1 all-time versus Portland; BYU is 8-1.
It's hilarious that the Utah fans continue to spout off about SOS when
BYU's #22 SOS dwarfs Utah's #140 SOS
BYU has a winning record, 7-6(54%), versus RPI Top 100
Utah has a losing record, 5-8(38%), versus RPI Top 100
Surf is Up Miami, FLFeb. 24, 2014 10:01 a.m.
Impressive win. If every game was played in the HC then the Utes could make it to the sweet 16.
Unfortunately its that darned road thing that is putting a dent in this team's credibility. But still ASU is a good program (traditionally) so kudos.
@JSanders. You can't seriously make that kind of a swipe at BYU fans (being the first to post to Ute articles) whilst attempting to be completely oblivious to the fact that it goes both ways. There is a long list of at least 20 U backers who obsessively snipe at all things BYU. Albeit at least 10 of those 20+ monikers is the same person.
As I said it goes both ways, and I doubt you are ignorant of that fact. Its just the rose colored glasses that slants your indignation to one side more than the other. But that is human nature. I'll not fault you for it completely.
Lambent Richfield, UTFeb. 24, 2014 9:54 a.m.
@ Creeper51:
You probably wouldn't "so gladly" be willing to give that rematch with BYU if the game was played in Provo. Since the Cougars have recently shown they can beat a nationally ranked team like Gonzaga at the Marriott Center, it's very doubtful they would lose to the Utes there. BYU also came within a whisker of beating another top-20 team there earlier this season. The truth is, BYU seldom loses at home... especially against unranked teams, which is what Utah currently is.
However, the Utes might very well win if another game (rematch) was played at the Huntsman Center... where their only game against each other this season was played. To their credit, Utah doesn't often lose there anymore.
The simple fact is, both teams are dominant and impressive at home. Either team would probably beat the other if a rematch was played on their own home court, and would probably lose if it wasn't.
You should probably try harder to keep things in perspective and in trying to stay real after a single, though impressive win.
StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UTFeb. 24, 2014 9:52 a.m.
Down under, a couple facts to straighten out:
1. The CIT doesn't select teams from any of the major conferences, the CBI does.
2. The CBI doesn't seed its teams, they make bids for home court games.
3. Utah most likely played their way out of the CBI already, and barring an improbable conference tournament championship, will play in the NIT, probably hosting a game or two, having already submitted the paperwork.
Mormon Ute Kaysville, UTFeb. 24, 2014 9:50 a.m.
Great win and I love Coach K's attitude about the Pac 12 tournament! If you don't believe you can win it, why play?
Just the FAX Olympus Cove, UtahFeb. 24, 2014 9:43 a.m.
"NCAA is pretty much out of the question unless they get to at least the semifinals of the Pac 12 Tourney"
Tale of the Tape
Utah's only chance of dancing in March is to win the PAC 12 tourney to get the PAC's auto bid. The Utes simply don't have a stronger enough SOS or high enough RPI to be considered as an at-large team.
#89 Utah(16-9) versus D1 teams, SOS #140, 5-8 versus RPI Top 100
Likely finish for the Utes - beat Colorado at home, lose to Stanford and California on the road to finish 19-11 overall, 8th in the PAC 12 at 8-10.
Lambent Richfield, UTFeb. 24, 2014 9:26 a.m.
@ JSanders:
What's actually funny (in a strange way) is the paranoia exhibited by some Ute fans concerning BYU. Even though this was a good Ute victory, you didn't mention one thing about the game. Instead, you make some inappropriate comment about BYU fans running to comment on Ute articles.
And yet the only 2 mentions of BYU by the time you commented were by a known Ute fan and yourself. Not a single one from a BYU fan. There was only one comment by a known BYU fan by that time, and he basically just congratulated the Utes on their win. So why the BYU paranoia? Are you just trying to stir the pot? Seems to be a juvenile attitude and action.
BTW: Congratulations to the Utes on an impressive win.
Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NVFeb. 24, 2014 9:27 a.m.
Congrats to the Utes on a commanding and dominating win over a really good ASU team!!! Good luck the rest of the way and into the PAC12 tourney!!!
Go Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!
I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UTFeb. 24, 2014 9:25 a.m.
Utah dominated a team from a real BCS conference. BYU played some school I've never heard of before.
Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UTFeb. 24, 2014 9:17 a.m.
@Joe Schmoe
'We need that loss to not look so terrible. Thanks for the help!" You're welcome! Now that you're not in our conference, glad we can help! Sorry we can't help out with the losses to Loyola Marymount, Pepperdine, Portland, or Pacific!
@But seriously folks!
"BYU was their only win with a sos over 200" Seriously? How about UCLA? Yes, that UCLA!
Spokane Ute Spokane, WAFeb. 24, 2014 9:15 a.m.
At cougar sundevil
Nicely done and very classy post. ASU will be fine as long as they the wheels don't come off from here on out.
I love the Sunday games, the only game on TV.
AZ Ute Scottsdale, AZFeb. 24, 2014 9:01 a.m.
Watching on tv (after church) it looked like there were a lot of empty seats. By contrast, Wednesday's game v. Arizona was almost a sell-out. Time for that meeting with the commish to present the case for avoiding Sunday home games if at all possible so Utah can stay no. 2 in the PAC-12 in attendance or even make a run at no. 1 as they continue to improve. Any particular reason this game couldn't have been played on Saturday?
ekute Layton, UTFeb. 24, 2014 9:00 a.m.
ASU was no less interested than Gonzaga when they played byu...or byu when they played Utah in football and basketball.
BYU9293 Clinton, UTFeb. 24, 2014 8:55 a.m.
Impressive win by the Utes. It is too bad, if they had scheduled tougher in the non conference they may have had a shot at an at-large bid, but with they way they did it, no chance. I say it is too bad because they are a good team, at least at home. No quality road/neutral wins at all. But I think they will get an NIT bid and if they can get some games at home, can do well in the NIT.
Uteology East Salt Lake City, UtahFeb. 24, 2014 8:41 a.m.
@Utah rules
Nice win for the utes but I have to say that ASU seemed to be on a different planet and looked like a grade school team. It didn't have as much to do with utah but they seemed to be uninterested and didn't want to be there. None the less still a good win. ASU certainly hurt their chances at the NCAA tonight.
ASU didn't seem interested? What game were you watching? ASU had 13 TO, Utah 15 so it wasn't that ASU was playing sloppy.
It was Utah's defense that made them look like a grade school team. Utah had 5 blocks on first 11 ASU shots over the first 3 minutes of the game. Which lead to a 14-4 lead, game over!
ASU did not hurt their chances by losing at one of the toughest places to play in the league, to a team that is so far 4-2 in the second half of PAC-12 play. ASU is a virtual lock for the tournament, all they have to do is hold home court this week. They're still a #9 seed per ESPN.
ekute Layton, UTFeb. 24, 2014 8:28 a.m.
Joe Schmoe,
Thanks to your team for helping the Utes back on Dec. 14th. It's looking like your conference schedule has been no help at all. You're 1rst and 2nd place teams are on the bubble. Your conference champion might be the only qualifier for the tourney. lol.
poyman Lincoln City, ORFeb. 24, 2014 1:55 a.m.
congratulations utes and ute fans... That was a dominating win over a pretty good team... In fact I was surprised... if only the team could play that well on the road y'all ight have been dancing this year.
While I am impressed I really don't see the utes getting very close at all to a pac12 tournament championship despite what the coach says.
But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 24, 2014 12:36 a.m.
Good thing they were spotted 10 games at home in the preseason or there would be no way to get 20 wins this year. BYU was their only win with a sos over 200. Might make a difference in tournament seeding in the CIT.
Utah rules Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 24, 2014 12:34 a.m.
Nice win for the utes but I have to say that ASU seemed to be on a different planet and looked like a grade school team. It didn't have as much to do with utah but they seemed to be uninterested and didn't want to be there. None the less still a good win. ASU certainly hurt their chances at the NCAA tonight.
Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 23, 2014 11:44 p.m.
Great win.
Go Utes!
thebigsamoan Richmond, VAFeb. 23, 2014 11:38 p.m.
Great win by the Utes! Post season play is still possible if they win out their final games and make a strong showing in their conference tournament. I think they're very capable of doing it. From a Cougar fan, Good luck the rest of the way from here on out!
JayDee West Jordan, UTFeb. 23, 2014 10:59 p.m.
I see one out of the first twelve comments from a BYU fan on this article. That's extreme, or funny? You must not know Chris B. or his many monikered incantations.
BTW Utah's rival is actually the next game, the Buffs from CO, not the Cougars from Provo. Ute fans are so done with the mid-majory, wacky-indie, West Coast Church League school...remember?
Congratulations to the Utes on an impressive victory!
Tom in CA Vallejo, CAFeb. 23, 2014 10:43 p.m.
jsanders -
kinda like how utah fans run to the BYU articles (win or lose). lol.
Uteology East Salt Lake City, UtahFeb. 23, 2014 10:01 p.m.
Great win over a top 30 team!
You welcome but too bad Gonzaga isn't helping you much by losing at San Diego.
jsanders Draper , UTFeb. 23, 2014 9:45 p.m.
Still funny how many byu fans run to the Utah articles (win or lose)....Even funnier is how many comments in the first few pages of the Gonzaga article mention Utah. Not too hard to psychoanalyze this rivalry.
motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UTFeb. 23, 2014 9:37 p.m.
Nice win by the Utes. I'd like to see them win 2 of their final 3 regular season games to get to 20. I think Colorado at home is a decent possibility but getting one on the road from either Cal or Stanford will be a tougher deal.
NCAA is pretty much out of the question unless they get to at least the semifinals of the Pac 12 Tourney, but with a few more wins I wouldn't be shocked to see an NIT game played at the Huntsman Center. That's improvement Utah fans should be proud of.
jsanders Draper , UTFeb. 23, 2014 9:36 p.m.
Huge win over a solid team. There we go Utes!
Creeper51 Bountiful, UTFeb. 23, 2014 9:34 p.m.
To all those BYU fans that want a rematch with Utah I would gladly have them play again, because the outcome would still be the same. A Ute win.
ImaUteFan West Jordan, UTFeb. 23, 2014 9:17 p.m.
Oh, baby! What a sweet win that was. Utah dominated from start to finish.
And I think it is important to note that the team that barely escaped Utah with a 4-point win in overtime absolutely crushed Colorado by 27 last night.
This Ute squad is a good team. They have absolutely been in every game they have lost this year except UCLA on the road. Only home losses have been by 2 and 4 points in overtime.
Now let's get CU next Saturday and pick up a road win to finish out the regular season.
Joe Schmoe Orem, UTFeb. 23, 2014 8:52 p.m.
Good. Every Utah win now puts BYU one step closer to the big dance. We need that loss to not look so terrible. Thanks for the help!
Spokane Ute Spokane, WAFeb. 23, 2014 8:39 p.m.
Blow out city, I loved it!
Go Utes!
Finish Strong!
CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZFeb. 23, 2014 8:37 p.m.
Sure leaves you wondering when my Sun Devils can knock off the number 2 (at the time) team in the nation and then go out and loose the next two games to Colorado and Utah. Congrats on the win. These two loses could take ASU out of the NCAA tourney and into an NIT bid. Better get things done with Stanford next.
Good win Utah.
MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UTFeb. 23, 2014 8:34 p.m.
Outstanding game played by the Utes tonight and fun to watch the Bachynski brothers battle it out. Dallin got the best of the match up this around. LOL!
Wright is an absolute beast!
Congratulations Utah!!
Uteology East Salt Lake City, UtahFeb. 23, 2014 8:31 p.m.
Utah just dominated from the get go. I thought we would win but this was a big blowout against a top 30 team. Great win!
Go UTES!
pocyUte Pocatello, IDFeb. 23, 2014 8:12 p.m.
Very nice dominating win.
Let's get Colorado, then do some damage on the road.
Go Utes!!
StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UTFeb. 23, 2014 7:09 p.m.
Part of ASU's "ice cold shooting" has to do with the Utes blocking a quarter of their shot attempts. Even though he doesn't have any points, Dallin is really taking it to his big brother, and has helped set the tone for the rest of the team. Love this intensity defensively, and fast, but smart play offensively. Keep this up this half and into the Rocky Mountain Rematch next week!