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Mitt Romney, Mormons brace for a mean political season
Capella Bakersfield, CAMay 8, 2012 11:41 p.m.
If you want to be seen "in full public view",(Alison Moore Smith's blog), then what's the problem?
If "they" will "finally see what we're really like", what's prevented this in the past?
I grew up LDS in southern California. There was never any hiding our fish-bowl lives. Every student on my campus knew I was running for student gov't as a Mormon candidate. I flaunted it at every opportunity, abstained from every drug/sex/obscenity-laced party I was invited to, and still won my election in the 1968 culture. I got the Doors to perform at our high-school (not my brightest acheivement), remained popular to my graduating day, and was a virgin at my wedding four years later.
I passed out Books of Mormon, was castigated by my friends when I invited them to church, and could have cared less about all the whiny issues presented in this article. There never has been and is not now a "mystique" about Mormons.
Let me help Alison and the fretters quoted here: They see LDS lives in full view. It's the doctrines, not the life-style, that is the controversy.
Capella Bakersfield, CAMay 8, 2012 9:51 p.m.
Dear Rachel Zoll wrote an interesting article here, which my peers in several different vocational fields are reviewing. Each are discussing the pros and cons of voting for Gov. Romney on many levels, but for their special interests.
1- The journalistic: Was it thoroughly understandable? Were terms, statements and history defined here for the uninformed? Was the context constant with the topic? Was the thrust of the article summarized at its close? Are all statements accurate and defensible?
2- The political: Was it on-point with current campaign statements, rhetoric, and issues? Did it veer off-course into the speculative, with an ulterior motive? Will the Governor follow his political past, his religious past or both, with respect to policy reversals in the future?
3- The religious:
a-"Where's the beef?" Over what specifically is all the angst expressed by the quoted LDS leaders and spokespersons?
b-Will Romney be honest or equivocate with respect to his personal beliefs?
c-We didn't thoroughly vett Pres. Obama on religion issues. We won't make the same mistake.
Is it too much to ask for total transparency of the person we trust with their hand on the...?
Capella Bakersfield, CAMay 8, 2012 9:29 p.m.
Can we get back to a substantive dialogue ON TOPIC here?
1- Why does Prof. Millet say the Church "is not ready for the onslaught", yet the author posits that the Church has been used to it for the past 2 centuries?
2- What is it specifically that the Church is "gearing up to defend"? I thought 1890 and 1978 settled the controversies? Please enlighten this comment.
3- How exactly would you prefer your doctrinal reversals to be described by a non-LDS public?
4- Why are churches, politicians or institutions miffed by the moniker "Flip Flop", when the flips are their choice, documented public record, and they should be standing by them?
Thank you for only replying with facts.
christoph Brigham City, UTMay 8, 2012 12:01 p.m.
America gave up on marriage and family and religion 50 years ago; now today ironically, our country is passionate about a different kind of marriage (same sex) which is becoming a new religion. Every attorney (including Joe Biden whom I used to admire) will some day have to decide what is more important: the Bible or the Constitution. And every scientist will have to decide what is more important: science or my family. Decide between one or the other. A Christian can not be popular. I used to think Mr. Biden was a great Catholic, he is proving me wrong----law and the constitution and being popular is his religion. I voted for Mr. Obama and think he is bright and nice and moral and I think his family is adorable, and yes the stock market has doubled in the last 3 years----he has had a great term in my view----yet his party is more and more anti-family and anti-Bible and anti-religion.
RBW 2012 Canby, ORMay 8, 2012 11:54 a.m.
Mormons love liberty and the Constitution. Having a "Mormon" in the whitehouse does no good unless that person follows the "law" (Constitution) as is prescribed in the 98th section of the Doctrine and Covenants. If Mormons follow that then we can have a healthy discussion focusing on how to get out of this mess rather than who is to blame. Furthermore we can quit making the same mistakes and stop the deceptive practices. Peace, unity, equality, prosperity,personal responsibility, liberty - isn't that what we want?
LDS Liberal Farmington, UTMay 8, 2012 9:28 a.m.
m.g. scott
Re: TA1
1:41 p.m. May 5, 2012
"It will be interesting if Romney wins, and the Senate Majority Leader is still Harry Reid. Two of the most powerful leaders in the country who might sit next to each other in church as brothers, and then contend with each other on Pennsylvania Ave. That scene will, for better or worse, show that the LDS Church cannot be pigeon holed as a right wing only church. (That will probably be for the better)."
And exactly why – (since Senator Reid is also a faithful LDS) –
why would Mitt Romney need to win to show that the world that members of the LDS Church are not pigeon holed as right wing only church?
Doesn't the fact of Senator Reid already prove that, without Mitt Romney?
FYI -- injecting Mitt Romney winning runs smack opposite and counter-intuitive to making your point, because it would re-enforce the right-wing only totalitarianism already found with Utah Mormon Republicans.
Flashback Kearns, UTMay 7, 2012 5:23 p.m.
Reid used to be a lot more conservative than he is now.
zoar63 Mesa, AZMay 7, 2012 4:25 p.m.
If one believes in the Book of Mormon and that Joseph Smith was a prophet the history is a moot point. All religions have some dark histories even Christianity. Christ is the only one that is perfect.
Sheila Elliott Waterford, CTMay 6, 2012 2:04 p.m.
I am a Mormon ...........and have been for 27 yrs...........I don't think that if Mitt wins it will be the second comming because God said no one knows when that will happen .I voted at every election,but i also pray for weeks before the elections and wait upon God's answer,If you truly believe in God he will let you know what should happen.I joined the church the day after Hurrcaine Gloria came though New England.When i was dragging my feet about joining,God spoke to me in my heart,That's when i joined and can't be any happier than i am now.....The blessings that have come my way is great because of my doing my family history i was able to find my Father who died when i was 10 yrs old and my mother died in 2008.Thanks to the temple i was able to be sealed to them,knowing that i will be with them when i die.People shouldn't judge my religion unless they have read the Book of Mormon and prayed about it
peter Alpine, UTMay 6, 2012 11:50 a.m.
Opposition makes people think about and stand up for what they really believe in. Hence, it should never be suppressed or ignored.
Mike in Texas Cedar City, UtahMay 6, 2012 7:47 a.m.
If there weren't so many "historical" problems, the spotlight would not be so painful. But, because the Church declares itself uniquely connected with the powers of heaven, there will be those determined to publicly challenge its authenticity. There will also be those, on the left and on the right who will use Romney's faith as a political weapon against him. But he will also enjoy the support Mormons who would vote for any Mormon just because he or she is a Mormon.
Personally, I am more interested in what he would do as president. And outside of restating his support of Bush era fiscal and foreign policy and his unbridled support for the Ryan budget. I really don't see how his equity capital management experience at Bain Capital or his unremarkable record for job creation in Massachusetts, qualifies him for the presidency. If it were all about how to make a lot of money, he would be a great candidate.
It is amusing that his greatest political success was probably the Massachusetts health plan. You know, the one that Obama Care was modeled after.
m.g. scott LAYTON, UTMay 5, 2012 1:41 p.m.
Re: TA1
It will be interesting if Romney wins, and the Senate Majority Leader is still Harry Reid. Two of the most powerful leaders in the country who might sit next to each other in church as brothers, and then contend with each other on Pennsylvania Ave. That scene will, for better or worse, show that the LDS Church cannot be pigeon holed as a right wing only church. (That will probably be for the better).
Hutterite American Fork, UTMay 5, 2012 9:53 a.m.
Religion doesn't belong in politics but if you're going to put it on the table don't be surprised if it turns out to be a liability rather than an asset.
JLFuller Boise, IDMay 5, 2012 9:50 a.m.
The Church and membership has lived with so much hatefulness aimed at us for so long that nothing these new comers can produce will have much lasting affect. Keep in mind that not all Evangelicals are like the hate mongers you see at conference time. Christ said his sheep know His voice. Our Evanglical brethren are members of the Church of the Lamb of God too - for the most part anyway. They know right from wrong and I think they sense the wrongfulness of the haters whether or not they understand who and we are and what we teach.
TA1 Alexandria, VAMay 5, 2012 8:06 a.m.
Perhaps as some of the other writers have alluded to the members of the LDS Church will begin to realize that LDS does not necessarily equal Republican. And that the "friends" who "share" the "same values" we have may not really be "friends". Perhaps this will lead us to seriously consider and study who we vote for and maybe - just maybe, get a few more of us off our couches and involved with the political process in our communities. That might be the major benefit of having a prominent LDS Church member involved in the Presidential race.
mustberight MESA, AZMay 5, 2012 6:36 a.m.
What I feared came upon me. That is a paraphrase, but it is in the Bible. Let us stop fretting and looking for trouble. Live life with integrity and values, forget what others say. I am a convert to the church living in a small town populated with a lot of Mormons. It was not their lives that got my attention. It was all the negatives. When the missionaries came, I said to my husband, lets listen to them and see if they are as crazy as we have heard. Now lets calm down and work to preserve all religion.
Andermart Pullman, WAMay 4, 2012 8:25 p.m.
Mormons can be Democrat or Republican. Neither is more correct. Everyone please face it.
Increased exposure for the Church will be energizing. I am already getting excited. Marriott cannot keep Book of Mormon's in stock. Now if everyone will just live their religion the Church will be OK. Its when we don't live it that we get into trouble.
And they are never going to like us. So get used to that too. But those who ask intelligent questions deserve intelligent answers, so please, study up. You may be the only source of information they will have.
UtahBlueDevil Durham, NCMay 4, 2012 7:30 p.m.
Back on subject... we have the following from Romeny
"If these reports are true, this is a dark day for freedom and it's a day of shame for the Obama administration," Romney told a crowd of supporters in Virginia on Thursday morning. "We are a place of freedom here and around the world and we should stand up and defend freedom wherever it is under attack."
This from a man the criticized Obama for "politicizing" the killing of Osama, then turns right around and tries to politicize this mans plight. This from the same man who says the above, then would deny anyone from Cuba fleeing that countries oppression the same sanctuary.
The mean season goes both ways. Mormons claim Obama isn't a "christian"..... and others claim Mormons aren't Christian. The circle goes round and round. Heck there are more than a few who still can't accept Obama is an American.
So yes, the political mean season has started. It started about 4 years ago.
sirils manti, UtahMay 4, 2012 7:00 p.m.
Way to go Democrat! Any Mormon who uses his religion to criticize another s politics doesn´t understand his religion. After all, most Mormons don´t even know what a democrat or a republican is let alone who is running for president of the US. Our religion is much bigger than petty political bickering.
UtahBlueDevil Durham, NCMay 4, 2012 6:14 p.m.
Mountainman.... agreed. I can't think of a primary where the candidates didn't attack each other, and make over the top statements, in either party. Hence the claim that democrats are x, and republicans are something totally different is silliness. No kidding a candidate will say comments like "who do you want on the other end of the phone during a crises"... duh, it is always going to be themselves as the most qualified.
Truthseeker - I agree with you completely. How the church claims to be non-partisan, then has its shell corporation run a paper that is anything but non-partisan, it makes for a very awkward relationship between the two. Its kind of like saying "my family is about loving everyone, but my kid hates your guts". I really do think the DN could serve its mission to inform and educate without becoming a tool of a political party, one for which 40 percent of the US members do not belong. I think our invested tithing money could be used in better pursuits.
but that is just me. ( a former conservative that is tired of the negative tone of the party now )
Kiyo Washougal, WashingtonMay 4, 2012 5:32 p.m.
....."This dialogue makes us stronger".Mitt Romney......What can be said that hasn't already been said a zillion times by the left..Mitt has now been endorsed by Michelle Bachman,the founder of the tea party caucus in the house of representatives and strong evangelical Christian woman....I believe this to be an unbeatable link-up...This should send the stock market soaring early next year. People are just itching to buy and sell.....
no fit in SG St.George, UtahMay 4, 2012 4:36 p.m.
The country will be hearing a new little slogan should Romney win.....how does "Salt Lake City Politics" sound?
LDS Liberal Farmington, UTMay 4, 2012 4:16 p.m.
I can't help but imgaine the ridicule or black eye Mitt Romney and his Super PAC will cause the LDS church for rinning the extrememly negative, mud-slinging campaing he has already ran for the nomination.
I thought one could get ex-communicated for causing negative publicity toward the LDS church.
This election should be telling....
SLMG Murtoa Australia, VictoriaMay 4, 2012 3:43 p.m.
If you think the general election campaign is going to be a down and dirty fight with Mitt Romney running for President, just what do you think it will be like if he is elected? Do you think that the Moromon issue will just disappear? No, it won't, if Mitt Romney were to be elected President the church is going to be the one taking all of the flack not Romney himself and 4 years is a very long time. It is going to be a very tough time for our Missionaies in the field in the U.S.
sharrona layton, UTMay 4, 2012 3:19 p.m.
RE: TheProudDuck,We're really not that far apart on this point, are you sure?
They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?" He replied, "You are right in saying 'I am'."(Luke 22:70) Jesus knew the Jewish leaders would know he was telling them that He was God. Which led to God on the cross. "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us:(1John 3:16)
@zoar63 (Exodus 3:14 Greek LXX, The Apostles Bible) God said unto Moses, 'I am' (the BEING) )HE WHO IS (ho on): and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, HE WHO IS (ho on) hath sent me unto you.
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD(YHWH) our God(Elohim) is one LORD(YHWH)..(Deut 6:4)Shema.*Name
baptizing in the* Name(not names)of Father ,and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.(Mt 28:19)Three persons but one God,(Tri)same being or essence(unity). Monotheism. Christians worship One God.
zoar63 Mesa, AZMay 4, 2012 11:32 a.m.
"am not a mormon, but grew up in Utah. Don't mormons believe that when a LDS president takes office, the second coming of Christ will happen?"
This is how Urban Legends get started.
TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CAMay 4, 2012 11:30 a.m.
Sharrona -- Leave Elder McConkie and his awful ultra vires book out of this. We're talking about Mormon doctrine, not Mormon Doctrine, the latter not being any authoritative statement of the former.
More Mormons need to read and understand the Athanasian Creed (if only so Elder Holland doesn't misunderstand the meaning of "immensus" again, and try to make a joke based on the misunderstanding). I hear all the time from Mormons that they think that the Trinity means the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are the same person. You'll hear it argued "When Jesus was baptized and heard the Father praising him from heaven, was he talking to himself?" That argument only makes sense if you think Trinitarianism is Modalism. But the Athanasian Creed warns not just against "dividing the Substance" (i.e., pulling a McConkie and contradicting the canonized scriptures that declare that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, calling them three separate Gods), but also against "confounding the persons" -- that is, overlooking their distinct and independent personhood.
We're really not that far apart on this point.
JM Lehi, UTMay 4, 2012 11:00 a.m.
I'm excited about the attention, maybe it will give us a chance to clear up the misinformation spread by many hired hands. Of course, Mormons are usually too busy serving etc, to combat everything said against them by liberal activists and religious extremes (out of the two, the liberal activists are much more vocal and dishonest, and oddly, they almost always deny who they are, why they are doing it, and so on).
I hope LDS will find a little time to speak the truths, otherwise we let the anti-Mormons define us, and those same anti-Mormons who post here all day, are everywhere else. They comment under many names, and in some places (CNN for example) they are much less likely to try to appear civil and non-bigoted.
Gail Fitches Layton, UTMay 4, 2012 9:59 a.m.
Mitt Romney is not my choice for President, because he flip flops on too many issues, and I fear that he will cater to globalist and banksters, that will finish destroying our country. We have some serious problems where we are losing our freedoms fast, and Ron Paul is the only one who can get our country back on the right track. I have to vote for the man who is consistent, and stands by the Constitution and freedom. We have some evil globalist that have taken over our country and the world, and the only way to change this is to get someone who is knowledgeable on all the issues. Our food (GMO), water (fluoride, aluminum, etc.), and air is poisoned, safe medical treatments are kept from us, the FDA is trying to take away our supplements like they did to the European Union, and there is a depopulation movement that we need to stop. Mitt Romney is not knowledgeable on the tyranny we are going through with our food, supplements, and the dictatorship when it comes to health treatments. If we do not have our health, we have nothing. RON PAUL 2012!
Truthseeker SLO, CAMay 4, 2012 8:53 a.m.
The LDS Church's stance is that it doesn't endorse a political candidate or party. Considering that it owns Deseret News which supports/promotes Republican policies and candidates I don't see how this is true.
buckbeaver Lake Forest, CAMay 4, 2012 8:11 a.m.
Obrycki: "Don't Mormons believe that when an LDS President takes office, the second coming will happen?"
No we don't,
but just the same, I wouldn't stand next to a Mormon when lightening strikes!
Kaare Bye KAMAS, UTMay 4, 2012 8:06 a.m.
What a great real man we have in Mitt Romney. We cannot find any close to him among the other candidates.
God bless all those that accept Mitt as our next Resident of this great nation of the free.
When God calls a man, support him all the way.
"Many are chosen, but a few are called."
Kaare Bye
Igualmente Mesa, AZMay 4, 2012 7:58 a.m.
The may be the greatest moment of growth for the church since its restoration, win or lose the US Presidency. With its central mission to spread its message to the far corners of the earth, at no other time in history has the church had such an opportunity as this, with one of its members challenging for the top job in the political world, and at the peak of the digital age.
Yes, there will be antagonists, but they will increase worldwide interest in the church. Many will want to know for themselves, and will seek to find the answers. As Pres. Hinckley said, you bring all the good that you have, and let us see if we can add to it.
BobF Kitchener, ONMay 4, 2012 7:19 a.m.
I think the nomination of Mr. Romney will certainly shine a bright light on the Church; hopefully, it will cause more 'casual' members to take a second look at their own religion.
As an active member myself, I've already been asked some questions about Mr. Romney. I'm a U.S. citizen living and Canada, and I will vote for President Obama.
Furry1993 Clearfield, UTMay 4, 2012 7:17 a.m.
Given the scorched-earth and dishonest quality of Romney's campaign to date, HE is the one who is perpetrating the "mean political season."
Max Charlotte, NCMay 4, 2012 6:39 a.m.
I get so tired of those who disagree with Harry Reid's politics accusing him of being a less than devout LDS. Everything I have ever heard about Senator Reid is that he is a VERY devout Latter-Day Saint. I am just sad that the media almost NEVER mentions it. That we could have an LDS president AND an LDS Senate Majority Leader at the same time is something that I would think the media would be interested in.
I also think that when the campaigns swing into high gear this fall, Harry Reid will step in and defend his faith -- even when the attacks are designed to support his candidate Barack Obama.
scotchipman Lehi, UTMay 3, 2012 10:09 p.m.
Re: m.g. scott
I'm not worried at all, I'm thankful that Mormon church is getting more publicity because it will help open up the true history of the church as more people look into it. My hope is that my family and friends that are still stuck in the Mormon church will find the truth like I have.
Mountanman Hayden, IDMay 3, 2012 9:45 p.m.
@ Utah Blue Devil. You must have missed the Hillary, Obama debates last election when Hillary told America, "Obama isn't qualified or prepared to lead this nation". Imagine that, one liberal attacking another liberal!
Truthseeker SLO, CAMay 3, 2012 9:20 p.m.
When the Church claims it doesn't endorse a political party or candidate I guess they mean over the pulpit. Clearly the Church-owned Deseret News promotes Republican viewpoints and candidates. Deseret News might claim they are merely a counterpoint to the Salt Lake Tribune. But then they are taking positions in support of the Republican Party and the claim about no endorsement rings hollow.
UtahBlueDevil Durham, NCMay 3, 2012 8:48 p.m.
@mountainman.... so are you saying the Newt and the rest of them are a shell for the democrat party? Do they know that they are in fact liberals, and Romney is the real conservative?
Holy smokes - blaming the democrats has now moved to a new level. When republicans attack one of their own, it is actually because they are doing these attacks on behest of the liberals.
What the heck else can we blame on this homogenous group of people called "liberals".
Something to think about Ogden, UTMay 3, 2012 8:30 p.m.
RE" Hawkyo
Bats are not all blind. Some have diminished vision due to adaptation to their environment. Some bats fail to develop their eyes because they function better without them. Maybe some people would see better without their eyes too. While it's a popular expression, modern science has proven it false.
Just becuase people disagree with one's views does not make them dishonest. I would hope those who disagree with you would not label you as dishonest. I'm sure you're a decent person who tries their best, although I disagree with you.
Romney and Obama have alot in common. They also have their differences. One thing they have in common is they both love power and want to be President. One difference is the amount of money they have in their Caymen Islands bank accounts.
Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UTMay 3, 2012 8:17 p.m.
Romney has ran as negative of a campaign as possible to "win" the Republican nomination. He did not win with ideas, policies, or goals. He won with money spent on negative ads. If I were Obama I'd be the one afraid of a "mean political season".
I'd really like to see Romney step up to the plate and condemn the negative ads the Super Pacs run on 'his behalf'. An honorable Christian would do that.
EightOhOne St. George, UTMay 3, 2012 7:18 p.m.
Star Bright,
so on top of everything else that we will be judged on when we die, the way we voted will be also. got it. i'm gonna go ahead and guess that only people who voted republican are getting into heaven???
3grandslams Iowa City, IAMay 3, 2012 7:03 p.m.
It's a very sad commentary when church members are "accustomed" to verbal abuse and much worse after walking out of their own meetings. There is a very large silent community that won't saying anything on behalf of the church, and small but loud bigoted community that nobody stands up too. Mormons are not the problem in Utah.
sharrona layton, UTMay 3, 2012 6:57 p.m.
@TheProudDuck, The "Social Trinity" concept views the Trinity consists of three persons -- each a distinct person, with a distinct consciousness -- whose unity consists of a loving relationship. If there's a difference between that understanding and Mormon doctrine, I don't see it. OK,
JS taught the trinity(actually modalism) at one time: …the doctrine of Christ, and the only true doctrine of the Father, and the son, and the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.(2Nephi 31:21)then,
..Father, Son, and Holy Ghost comprise the Godhead. As each of these persons is a God…these three are the only Gods we worship.. (Mormon Doctrine, Bruce R. McConkie.
…baptizing in the* Name(not names)of Father ,and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.(Mt 28:19)Three persons but one God,(Tri)same being or essence(unity). Monotheism. Christians worship One God.
The Athanasian Creed explains, And the catholic (universal) faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance.
Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UTMay 3, 2012 6:49 p.m.
With all this mean talk I do worry a bit about bias creeping into the LDS majority communities from watching TV and the media. I hope everyone understands that when an Evangelical preacher says something bigoted that he/she does not represent all Evangelicals.
When I lived in Florida, New York, and L.A., my Evangelical neighbors were always outstanding to their Mormon neighbors. The majority in Utah too, except one small group around Salt Lake.
m.g. scott LAYTON, UTMay 3, 2012 6:45 p.m.
Re: scotchipman
Every church, organization, political party, ect. that has any history, will have some bad elements and episodes. That the LDS Church has some is really not the point. The point is, if the Joseph Smith story is true, then none of the rest really matters. And if it isn't true, (as I assume you believe) then why worry?
Razzle2 Bluffdale, UTMay 3, 2012 6:31 p.m.
@ Noodlekaboodle - So, where were the deseret news article refuting the ridiculous birthers or the people who accused Obama of being both a radical christian and a muslim? Oh, I get it. You only defend people in your club."
If the Associated Press makes such an article I am sure the Des News will print that too. Stop blaming the Des News for the Associated Press.
Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UTMay 3, 2012 6:26 p.m.
Brother Chuck Schroeder "HOLD ON HERE." "That's why the DNews trys to break the World's Record for the most stories about Mitt Romney?."
First of all, check your reading. This article is from the Associated Press not the Des News. The DNews reprints syndicated reports from around the world. That is their job.
Second, turn to any cable news channel. Stories about Mitt Romney are running all day and night.
scotchipman Lehi, UTMay 3, 2012 6:21 p.m.
The increased publicity of the Mormon church will bring out more of the true history of the church which will lead a few to really study for the first time. Most Mormons refuse to really look into the true church history which can open their eyes, they instead continue to only read church approved literature which protects them from reality.
Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UTMay 3, 2012 6:18 p.m.
Koeger "Let's hope not, otherwise I would expect the likes of Harry Reid to step up to the podium and say "Enough is enough! Leave my Church alone!"
That would be awesome. I like having Senator Reid in office with differing opinions. It makes it so Romney isn't a spokesperson for the LDS Church.
m.g. scott LAYTON, UTMay 3, 2012 6:01 p.m.
I am curious, you and many like you mention Romneys flip flops as a negative. Are you aware of some of the huge flip flops by Obama? If not, here are a couple. Before becoming President, Obama said that it was un-patriotic for Bush to run up a 9 trillion dollar debt. Well, if that is what qualifies for un-patriotic, then Obama is a traitor for his 15 trillion debt. Or try this gem. A year ago, Obama, with much class I'd say, said that we should not "spike the football" with regards to the killing of Bin Laden. Now, he is spiking more footballs than the entire NFL. Or just for fun, let's try this one. Obama said that he would not allow one dime to be added to the debt to have his health care plan passed. When ads like these, shown in Obamas own words, go on the air, I doubt anyone is going to accuse Romney of being the flip flopper. I could go on about things like waterboarding, Guantanmo, ect....
USA Salt Lake City, UTMay 3, 2012 5:26 p.m.
It's been a mean 3 1/2 year political season already when it comes to religion. I still get mean-spirited, foolish emails claiming that President Obama is a Muslim, and I expect that will continue.
Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UTMay 3, 2012 5:25 p.m.
Outmeal "Relax folks. The anti-Mormon Fundamentalists and Evangelicals are in the Republican party. The more secular and liberal Democrats could care less. The general election will not turn on religion."
You should see MSNBC they have already started 24/7. Most of it just made up as they speak too.
Mountanman Hayden, IDMay 3, 2012 5:16 p.m.
Ronald Reagan said, "it isn't that liberals don't know a lot, it's just that what they know isn't so". The same could be said about those who attack the LDS church, most of whom are in fact, liberals! Some would argue that liberalism is its own religion.
JWB Kaysville, UTMay 3, 2012 5:15 p.m.
This Associated Press article provides a look at politics and Mormonism similar to what you see in the Salt Lake Tribune on a daily basis with commenters stating their opinion routinely. This type of article does bring out more comments than on most topics due to religion and politics being discussed in the same article. The DN is fair and balanced for about half of the Utahns so the Tribune has their audience, also. Glad to see that this is starting to include more people around the United States who will get to see more articles in the DN as they are perusing the Internet. There is a purpose for what happens and the message moves forward along with the good-will, fun-loving, kind-hearted, and volunteerism of people of all ages that moves Utah forward, whether they like it or not. The United States of America is such a wonderful place to live and in most countries around the world there is not an open and frank discussion in the media as we have here. Government is even open for a lot of the happenings, and that is not always the case for many. Be grateful and happy
mightymite DRAPER, UTMay 3, 2012 5:03 p.m.
RE: Obrycki
It is called the White Horse Prophecy but not spoke much about these days. The Prophet Joseph smith taught it.
Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UTMay 3, 2012 4:46 p.m.
If you don't see a difference between Romney and Obama, you're blind as a bat, or dishonest.
Ex Pat Salt Lake City, UtMay 3, 2012 4:36 p.m.
He doesn't vote "in favor of" abortion; he votes in favor of the right of the woman, and not the government, to make that very difficult and personal decision.
Furry 1993:
So it's OK to abort a child (one of God's spirit chidren) if it means you are just supporting a woman's right?
So next, as some are proposing, that we euphenize handicapped children, that would be ok too? What's the difference in one day?
Jim Mesa, AzMay 3, 2012 4:34 p.m.
As someone once said "There is no such thing as bad PR". People should relax and enjoy what is happening. They said the same thing about Kennedy (JFK) and catholicism. Washington was going to move to Rome and the list goes on. Being a member of the LDS Church can be very difficult thing. For example 10% of your gross salary towards the Church and people only have a physical relationship with their wife or husband. How about that. People should get off the LDS or Mormon bandwagon and focus of political policys both local and forgein. For example, will Mitt bring the troops home, what about North Korea, China, the Middle East. What about unemployment, what about health care, the price of gas. Come on folks start asking real questions, not questions that relate to a man's or woman's personal beliefs.
atl134 Salt Lake City, UTMay 3, 2012 4:30 p.m.
I think a lot of it is demographic voting patterns. Consider this: Democrats are more willing to vote for women, blacks, Catholics, jews, hispanics, muslims, people married 3 times (it was asked at a time Giuliani was running), homosexuals, and atheists. Republicans are more willing to vote for the elderly (McCain was running), and mormons. Notice how everyone is divided up into the groups that tend to vote for the respective parties (other than catholics which are more 50-50). An exception was back in 2007 when Democrats were more willing to vote for Mormons than Republicans. I think this mostly changed because of prop 8. So I think a part of the issue with Mormons and the Democratic vote (at least why Democrats are less willing to vote for them, I'm definitely not going to pretend there's 0 bigotry among Democrats) is that the word Mormon triggers thoughts like "conservative" or "prop 8" and some responding to the poll think of whether or not they'd vote for the average LDS candidate.
Star Bright Salt Lake City, UtMay 3, 2012 4:30 p.m.
The evangeligical antagonists (like those ourside of Temple Square) will be the one's to keep and eye out for, They have the theological axe to grind....not the Democrats.
Funny how your statement before the above quote proves you are wrong.
I don't think Reid would ever stand up and support the Church. If you have some references to prove that, I would be happy to change my mind.
Truthseeker SLO, CAMay 3, 2012 4:25 p.m.
re:lost in DC
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Actually, Harry Reid has a mixed record on abortion, as does Mitt Romney.
Reid maintains he is against abortion except rape, incest and life/health issues.
Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Rated 29% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
However, this has not stopped conservatives from distorting Reid's positions.
Did Harry Reid vote in favor of same-sex marriage in NV? There has been no same-sex marriage issue in a general election. Reid has stated he believes marriage should be between a man and a woman.
Maybe you can provide your sources.
atl134 Salt Lake City, UTMay 3, 2012 4:20 p.m.
What I you are referring to is the so-called "White Horse Prophecy" (the whole "constitution will hang by a thread" thing) which is not regarded by the church to be doctrine or a prophecy. I'm not sure if it makes any claims about the second coming though. There are some members who do believe it nonetheless and that is where you got it from.
TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CAMay 3, 2012 4:10 p.m.
LDS Liberal and others, polls have shown that Democrats are more likely to vote against a Mormon than Republicans.
Sure, there are evangelical Christians who oppose Mormons for theological reasons. There are also (more) secular Democrats who oppose Mormons for cultural, moral, and philosophical reasons. (That is, they don't think highly of *any* conspicuously religious people.)
It may well be that elite Democrats are, personally, broad-minded enough not to care about a man's religion. However, they are also ruthless enough to use any tool that comes to hand. Rest assured that the broadside of Bill Maher (Obama's biggest donor)against Mormonism the other day, is just the opening plausibly-deniable salvo. The Obama campaign itself won't take the cheap shots, but they will make sure they are taken. That's the Chicago way.
TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CAMay 3, 2012 4:05 p.m.
Regarding the nature of God, Mormons sometimes go too far in opposing the doctrine of the Trinity, which they usually misunderstand as meaning that other Christians believe that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are the same person wearing different hats at different times. (That's actually a doctrine called Modalism, not Trinitarianism.)
In fact, there are interpretations of the Trinity that are consistent with how Mormonism views the unity of the Godhead (see D&C 20:28). The "Social Trinity" concept views the Trinity consists of three persons -- each a distinct person, with a distinct consciousness -- whose unity consists of a loving relationship.
If there's a difference between that understanding and Mormon doctrine, I don't see it.
Furry1993 Clearfield, UTMay 3, 2012 3:56 p.m.
To lost in DC 3:26 p.m.
You have a problem with Senator Reid voting in a way that protects each person's free agency? (And that's what he does. He doesn't vote "in favor of" abortion; he votes in favor of the right of the woman, and not the government, to make that very difficult and personal decision. He votes in favor of people having the same CIVIL rights, regardless their sexual orientation. That's what free agency is all about.) It's sad that you would mis-construe his positions and his votes the way you did in the referenced comment.
Aggielove Cache county, USAMay 3, 2012 3:36 p.m.
Stand strong.
Don't get in debates over this.
But, by all means, don't get pushed around either.
lost in DC West Jordan, UTMay 3, 2012 3:26 p.m.
LDS Lib,
yes, clown prince harry will stand up for his convictions. Many of his votes, however, say his convictions are more firmly grounded in the democratic platform than in LDS doctrine. His votes in favor of abortion and gay marriage are perfect examples
LDS Liberal Farmington, UTMay 3, 2012 3:23 p.m.
The title is all wrong;
"Mitt Romney, Mormons brace for a mean political season"
it should read;
"Mitt Romney, and Utah Mormons brace for a mean political season"
Most Mormons are not Americans,
therfore Most Mormons are not Republicans.
Democrat Provo, UTMay 3, 2012 3:21 p.m.
As for the article itself: those who care most about Romney's Mormonism are not evangelicals, secularists, or the members of any denomination. Its Mormons that care. Romney's religion has never been a losing factor for him. In fact, its a net plus with fundraising.
I think that part of coming of age as an religio-ethnic group in America is being able to take your lumps and realize that not every criticism of Gov. Romney is a criticism of Mormonism and not every question about Mormonism's past is an attack on the religion itself. Yes, there will be legitimate questions and I think the Church views most publicity as good publicity. As for hatefull comments--those will be coming from the usual wingnut suspects on the internet, not from the Romney or Obama campaigns.
LDS Cedar City, UTMay 3, 2012 3:19 p.m.
Unfortunately having an LDS presidential candidate will likely be divisive among us, the faithful members.
For instance, I'm an Independent, voting for whoever I believe is the "best" choice regardless of party. Right now I see virtually no difference in Obama and Romney. They both have backgrounds of moderation. I'm inclined to vote for Obama, as I believe he is making good decisions.
However, in church I'm beginning to hear more and more political talk. And it is not moderate. Often attacking a candidate or point of view.
After this election cycle is over, we must still be faithful members and Christ-like toward each other. We need to do that now. Or we will be the real losers.
Democrat Provo, UTMay 3, 2012 3:14 p.m.
Re: CougarBlue and LDSLiberal:
Both Senator Reid and Governor Romney are good men. Both have ties to, and the appreciation of, top leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Romney served with distinction as a Stake President and worked with the Mormon Brethren while organizing the Olympics. Sen. Reid was helpful in introducing President Monson to President Obama. Not long ago one of the Apostles invited Senator Reid to share his personal witness at a meeting back East and he shared his testimony and conversion to Mormonism. It's easy to look at someone you don't agree with politically and then think somehow they are less of a Latter-day Saint, but I disagree. They are fine people, just with some different views.
eastcoastcoug Danbury, CTMay 3, 2012 3:12 p.m.
We just need to live our beliefs and be comfortable with who we are. It will be a great opportunity for many of us to become more articulate about what we believe.
I encourage rank and file members to show as much class and neutrality as church leadership about how we talk about candidates with our family and friends. Many seem to think you cannot be a good LDS member and a Democrat whereas there are positive correlations with the values of the church in BOTH parties. I think it is great that both Romney AND Reid are Mormon, even if I dislike some of their policies.
eastcoastcoug Danbury, CTMay 3, 2012 3:06 p.m.
OC Fan Orange County, CAMay 3, 2012 2:56 p.m.
I didn't grow up in Utah, but I am LDS. We believe that no one knows the time of the Second Coming. We don't believe that if/when an LDS president is elected the Second Coming will happen, but most of us believe Hell will freeze over at that time.
marxist Salt Lake City, UTMay 3, 2012 2:55 p.m.
This gives the LDS Church a tremendous opportunity to answer the question - is it OK to be a Democrat, Liberal, Socialist, or whatever and be a member of their Church in full fellowship? The answer from many members will be an emphatic NO! Nevertheless, there exists the opportunity to clear up a lot of doubts.
Star Bright Salt Lake City, UtMay 3, 2012 2:46 p.m.
I really don't like this neutral stand when the administration is going after the Catholic Church first, and we will be one of the next targets. Christianity is beng hounded and people are being killed, all over the world and our administration says nothing. If we don't stand together, or speak up then you all know the story when they come for us.
The dem platform has evil things in it. This business about birth control that we all must pay for, and abortions that are so horrid are all coming if Romney doesn't win this election.
There is a video put out by a Catholic organization that says, at one point, our vote will be recorded here on earth and in the eternities. I believe that! I'm not sure our God is neutral about the things going on in this country and how the Constitution is being trampled on, and we believe that document is divinely inspired. I don't think HE will hold us harmless as we stand and watch.
obrycki SANDY, UTMay 3, 2012 2:41 p.m.
I am not a mormon, but grew up in Utah. Don't mormons believe that when a LDS president takes office, the second coming of Christ will happen?
skeptic Phoenix, AZMay 3, 2012 2:37 p.m.
It is too bad Romney has to be the Mormon face to the world. He represents so much of what is questioned about the church, the distorted histories and cover ups, the changing of the stories to suite the situation, the non disclosers, hiding information and secrets to further propaganda goals, wishy-washy character of saying anything to gain an objective. There are so many solid honest Mormons who would be an honorable representation of, and for, the church. Too bad that they are not represented.
Noodlekaboodle Salt Lake City, UTMay 3, 2012 2:33 p.m.
So, where were the deseret news article refuting the ridiculous birthers or the people who accused Obama of being both a radical christian and a muslim? Oh, I get it. You only defend people in your club. Heck, remember all the opinion letters from 08 where people were mad because 80-90% of blacks voted for Obama. Will we get those when 90% of mormons vote for Romney?
LDS Liberal Farmington, UTMay 3, 2012 2:30 p.m.
Senator Reid is man of integrity.
If push came to shove, he'll stand by his convictions.
He already has numerous times on the Senate floor.
Mitt Romney has made for himself enough Flip-Flopping material to last a lifetime.
They won't need to go after his religion.
Unless, somehow his Religion is the root cause of his lack of integrity (Flip-Flopping)
Mitt has made his bed, he can sleep in it.
The evangeligical antagonists (like those ourside of Temple Square) will be the one's to keep and eye out for, They have the theological axe to grind....not the Democrats.
J-Dub Salt Lake City, UTMay 3, 2012 2:28 p.m.
I am so tired of these kinds of headlines. I am a Mormon, and I don't spend one second worrying about whether or not I am going to be "attacked" by the media, or by politicians. The way these headlines read, you would think that Mormons are the most self-involved and self-concious people in the world - always worrying about whether or not we are going to be offended or persecuted. Ezra Taft Benson defined pride as enmity between you and your fellow man. Thus, this article is all about pride. Stop worrying selfishly about your own feelings and go out and find joy in life. Go help your fellow man. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves. It's pointless, and it makes you prideful. Stop "bracing" for the worst. Fear is the opposite of hope.
atl134 Salt Lake City, UTMay 3, 2012 2:27 p.m.
Romney's the one who has charged the Obama administration with wanting to make secularism (he incorrectly used the word secularism, he meant atheism) the national religion. Republicans have frequently done this weird thing where they criticize Obama for spending 20 years attending Reverand Wrights' church, attack him for barely ever going to church, and some still think he's a Muslim. So... while I agree that Democrats launching religious attacks on Romney is wrong... let's not pretend Republicans don't do it.
Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FLMay 3, 2012 2:12 p.m.
First I'll Quote: "LDS officials have emphasized repeatedly that the church doesn't communicate with the Romney campaign. In a lengthy statement on their main website, Mormon leaders say the church does not "endorse, promote or oppose political parties, candidates or platforms."
That's why the DNews trys to break the World's Record for the most stories about Mitt Romney?.
Let them say, if this is true then "Hello Hope and Change"
Goodbye "Hype and Blame."
Like it or not, (Mormonism) will be an issue in the general election.
Romney does communicate with the LDS Church though.
Is this another "flip flop"?.
Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, IDMay 3, 2012 2:05 p.m.
Kouger. From what you said if Harry Reid said something like that I guess I would be surprised.
UtahVoter Spanish Fork, UTMay 3, 2012 2:04 p.m.
I'm not even a huge fan of Romney's politics, but I *am* a fan at how Romney has handled the press inquiries with regard to his faith for the most part. Again, though I might disagree with Romney on national budget priorities or foreign policy, I *do* think he's a reasonably typical example of who and what a Mormon is. He and Ann have raised five boys and he's dedicated a lot of his time in past years to lay-member callings. I think it's a fabulous thing to have people asking intelligent questions about 'what that's all about' and, consequently, have appreciated that aspect of his candidacy.
gdog3finally West Jordan, UtahMay 3, 2012 2:00 p.m.
What people say about your faith will lead some to it and drive others away. How it all shakes out should be fine if you believe in your faith. I am not saying to induce a positive where there might not be one. I am saying that being looked at differently one way or another, relative to your faith, is all part of having faith. Right?
If challenges are viewed in the latter days or however else you view challenges in the current, then realize that it can always be worse. My advice, be the best you can be regardless of how you are thought of. If things get bad so to speak, crying over spilled milk one to many times might weaken your strength. Let the election play out, and live your lives LDS folks.
CougarBlue Heber City, UTMay 3, 2012 1:51 p.m.
I doubt Harry Reid will say much. He is a politican first and LDS second.in my opinion.
Kouger Lehi, UTMay 3, 2012 1:46 p.m.
Ideally religion (Mormonism) will not be an issue in the general election, however, IF and WHEN the Democrats and Obama feel threatened and the polls go Romney's way, then the likelihood of Mormonism as an issue will go from "0 to 60" in a day. Let's hope not, otherwise I would expect the likes of Harry Reid to step up to the podium and say "Enough is enough! Leave my Church alone!"
Oatmeal Woods Cross, UTMay 3, 2012 1:22 p.m.
Relax folks. The anti-Mormon Fundamentalists and Evangelicals are in the Republican party. The more secular and liberal Democrats could care less. The general election will not turn on religion.
Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UTMay 3, 2012 1:12 p.m.
I think it will be good to have someone like Mitt Romney in the spotlight for the LDS faith. Whether good or bad. The more people discuss and do their own research, the better informed they become and can shape their own opinions. Which the opposite will happen if those who attack the church are allowed to be the unofficial spokesperson for the group.


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Behind the closed doors of the Royal New Zealand Ballet are many hidden gems. Back rooms are full of historical glamour, boxes of tutus and tiaras, and then there are the technicians, the people who put the pieces together to make all of the elements fit. Carly Thomas opened the door and talked to whoever had a moment to spare among the last-minute preparations for the RNZB's tour of Allegro.
He's been told he may as well live there. He has words written on his work table that he can't for the life of him remember what they mean. After 27 years of loyal service to The Royal New Zealand Ballet, Andrew Pfeiffer, better known as Pfieff, is part of the furniture.
He is revered, loved and a teeny bit feared, but he doesn't wear ballet shoes and, God forbid, he doesn't wear tights. Pfeiff is the wardrobe manager and tutu extraordinaire.
When the Manawatu Standard visits, he is stressed. The ballet is shipping out from Wellington in three days' time to begin its latest tour of New Zealand with Allegro, a powerhouse of five short ballets. Palmerston North is among the places on the itinerary.
It's all hands to the pump in the wardrobe department. Five ballets means a lot of costumes and Pfeiff's eyes have rolled to the ceiling more than once in moments of not-enough-minutes-in-the-day despair. If Pfeiff were on stage then this, as the patriarch of lycra and sparkle, would be his perfect role. But the despair doesn't last long and a wry joke is as much in his repertoire as a mumbled "for goodness sake".
Pfeiff started out at the bottom of a heap of material in a South Australian clothing factory, pattern-making and eventually designing. He says he was the dogsbody.
"I learnt pretty quickly to get patterns right. In the beginning I would get told 'that's wrong' and off I would go till I figured it out. I was there for 12 years. It was the best way to learn."
Next stop for Pfeiff was the State Opera of South Australia. He says he absolutely loved doing the ballet jobs that came his way and his next step over the ditch felt natural.
Pfeiff feels at home here. He says working with the other young machinists keeps him young and the drama that comes with the job is just part of it.
The back rooms of the RNZB are his haunt, full of boxes labelled with ridiculously wonderful names: frogging, bubble braid, guipure lace and Guyot Brothers metal stampings. There is a corner dedicated to sequins and sparkle, another to wigs. It is a place where magic and fairytales are made with a needle and thread, sweat and tears, glue guns and a fine eye.
The dancers file in for fittings, lighting the space with their own natural form of sparkle. They are other-worldly creatures who are impossibly beautiful even when just being fitted for a costume. One costume is space-like; it's an orbit of silver and was the cause of Pfeiff's earlier creased-brow moment. Dancer Laura Jones looks in the mirror at herself in it, a professional assessing her costume, how it will work with movement and how it works for her.
Jones brings her sensual, strong style to two of the ballets in Allegro: Megalopolis and Satellites. Both are contemporary in style and Jones says they're really different and she has never had a chance to dance like that before.
"It's good to push the boundaries, it's foreign to the body but I am so into it."
Satellites is a world premiere by Dunedin-based choreographer Daniel Belton. It features electronic music which pulses, created especially for the piece. It is elemental and futuristic and with the inclusion of animation and kinetic sculpture, not to mention the disc-like glimmering costumes that bounce light. It is exciting.
Jones describes the dance as "crazy, awesome and dynamic". "It's very modern and sort of new age and we have had to find the pulse of it in our bodies."
There is definitely a buzz surrounding this cluster of ballets. Class is still intensive but the approach is more relaxed, with interpretation getting more of a look-in than with the preparation of a more traditional RNZB tour. There is even a male dancer in heels, who is unbelievably competent in his stiletto boots, busting out Beyonce-esque moves in Megalopolis.
Megalopolis combines innovative and cool choreography by Larry Keigwin with contagious club tracks from Steve Reich and MIA. It makes you want to dance. In fact, it makes you want to be a dancer in stiletto boots.
Jones says with this one you just sit back, have fun and "jam it up". "We break out of our shells with club moves. It's like a coming out, it's refreshing, inspiring and invigorating."
An overlapping of fashion, burlesque, club culture and Broadway, Megalopolis has a bit of humour and a lot of cheek and it comes with its own teacher. Ashley Browne is a fierce New Yorker who works the dancers hard, but there is an obvious connection and the dancers feed off her style. She runs them through Megalopolis a gruelling three times, saying that three times in rehearsal equals one full-energy performance. "It's the way I was trained."
In a New Zealand premiere, Keigwin also brings Mattress Suite to the stage, giving the Kiwi dancers the prestige of being the first company outside of Keigwin's own to perform his signature work. It's a tale of love affairs mapped out over six scenes and set alight by music by Stevie Wonder, Bill Withers, Guiseppe Verdi and Etta James.
Allegro is a tour packed with premieres and enjoying one of his own is rehearsal pianist Michael Pansters. Pansters is a hidden gem of the RNZB, an integral part of the ballet process - he's played the piano in class and rehearsals for the past 3 1/2 years. This time he is going on tour and taking to the stage with his piano in Les Lutins (The Goblins) along with violinist Benjamin Baker.
Pansters has done the hard yards, he has had to learn the secret language of ballet which consists not only of words but fast and flourishing gestures, musical intuition and a mastering of mind- reading. And this time he doesn't get left behind in the anti-climax of the dancers leaving on tour; he gets to go along.
"It is so exciting, so cool to be involved. It's a virtuosic piece, quite showy. I love that I am going on tour."
Technically, it is not Pansters' stage debut as he was on stage in Swan Lake. He was a courtier and had to stand on a corner of the stage and "not stand out and keep my gut sucked in".
The young pianist just loves the music of the ballet and is strictly classical in his taste. He was sent to music appreciation class when he was 6, having banged pot lids prior to that, and went on to gain an honours degree from Victoria University's New Zealand School of Music. A confirmed perfectionist, Pansters says he often finds the same musical phrase "crocheting in my brain".
Les Lutins is choreographed by Johan Kobborg and has two male dancers doing daredevil moves, vying for the attention of a single female dancer. With, of course, a grand piano, and a great pianist on stage.
People like Pansters and Pfeiff and all the others, the behind-the-scenes people, have their own form of en pointe. They have contributed hours of intricate piano playing and, in the case of Pfeiff, days and weeks and amounted years of dedication, without the applause.
The RNZB has shipped out again - costumes, washing machines (yes, they take their own), an on-tour wardrobe assistant (that's Hank Cubitt, sewing genius and a magician at keeping white costumes white) and this time even a grand piano. Pfeiff may be left behind but that's OK, he will enjoy a moment of quiet after the storm of sequins, a minute of peace and reflection with a cup of tea, before the human machine that is the RNZB starts up once again.
The Royal New Zealand Ballet will be bringing Allegro - Five Short Ballets to Palmerston North's Regent Theatre on August 12.
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Among the campaign signs lining the streets of Poway are some targeted at ousting the three incumbent candidates for the Nov. 2 election.
Two City Council seats are open. The incumbents running are Carl Kruse and John Mullin. The mayor's post also is open. Don Higginson is the incumbent in that race.
The signs read "Vote out Donny Higginson," and "Vote out Mullin, Kruse, Higginson."
The candidates seeking to unseat them denied any involvement in the negative signs. Those candidates are Pete Babich and Dave Grosch for City Council and Nick Stavros for mayor.
Stavros asked in an e-mail to City Manager Penny Riley whether, if all candidates agreed, the signs could be removed.
City Attorney Lisa Foster concluded that the signs present "no clear violation that would justify removal," Riley said in an e-mail to Stavros.
"It's free speech and it doesn't bother me," Kruse said. "It's part of the politics — the political game that goes on. ... Signs like that indicate that they just want their own people in."
The candidates' signs promote themselves rather that focusing on their opponents.
In other Poway campaign news, candidates' financial disclosure forms from the most recent filing period were released Tuesday.
Poway allows candidates to roll over funds from previous elections. So with money from his campaign during the June recall election, Councilman John Mullin has raised more than the other three council candidates combined, at $21,469. He raised $5,325 in the most recent filing period.
Kruse raised the most of any Poway candidate in the recent filing period, July 1 to Sept. 30, with $7,235.
"Basically what you've got is two people that are 'in' and know lots of people who are willing to give them lots of money," Babich said. He classified himself and the other non-incumbents as "people that are 'out' and have not been farming that stuff for years."
Contributions in Poway cannot exceed $100 per person and can only come from individuals. The incumbents said the donations demonstrated the community's support.
"People are glad to see me back on the council again, and they'd see me there for four years," Kruse said. In response to whether greater contributions would make candidates beholden to the wills of their donors he said: "I'm not going to be bought for $100, I'll tell you that. I'm not going to be bought for any price."


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Tidewater Community College Master Plan, Norfolk, VA
Urban Design Associates (UDA) developed the master plan and design for the new Tidewater Community College. The new campus is an element of a comprehensive strategy to revitalize Downtown Norfolk, Virginia. The new campus transforms a forgotten corner of downtown into a thriving new neighborhood. The plan makes use of the existing context, combining new construction with the restoration of existing historic buildings. In total, three thousand students are accommodated in a total of four buildings on Granby Street, bringing new life to this once empty traditional shopping district.
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What Favre really means to Vikings offense
Published: August 18th, 2009 | Tags: Adrian Peterson, Bernard Berrian, Brad Childress, Brett Favre, Darrell Bevell, Minnesota Vikings, Percy Harvin, Visanthe Shiancoe
I'm flying to Minnesota on Thursday as part of the TV broadcast team that will be doing the Vikings vs. Chiefs game Friday night. I believe the Vikings are targeting for Brett Favre to start the third preseason game against the Houston Texans, so if I'm coach Brad Childress and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, I want to get him acclimated now.
I'm anticipating getting Favre's feet wet with a series or two behind the starting offensive line against the Chiefs. He could even start.
The bottom line with Favre joining the Vikings is that, in the past, every defensive coordinator in the league that has played the Vikings has taken liberties. What I mean by that is that on first and second downs, defenses have stacked eight or nine defenders in the box, doing whatever they can to stop the Vikings running game. The running game was ranked No. 5 in the league last year — the passing game No. 25 in the league. That will all change with Favre.
Most importantly, because defenses have taken that approach, the receivers have faced man-to-man situations. The Vikings are better at wideout now than they have been in the past. Bernard Berrian had seven touchdowns and averaged 20.1 yards per catch last season, which was better than anyone in the league that had more than 40 catches. First-round pick Percy Harvin is an X-factor. He can play in the Wildcat formation, he can line up wide, he can line up in the slot, he can line up at halfback. TE Visanthe Shiancoe had seven touchdown catches last season.
All of a sudden Favre has some pretty significant weapons. On first and second downs, if defenses want to play man coverage and take liberties, Favre can change everything for the Vikings.
The way I look at it, RB Adrian Peterson should get just as many yards — if not more — on fewer carries. The Vikings will be more efficient in the running game with Favre behind center. Also, the Vikings were one of the worst teams in the league in converting red-zone touchdowns — when the field gets compressed and decision-making becomes even more crucial at the quarterback position. You have a quarterback now with experience in the red zone. The Vikings should fare much better than they did last year in red zone conversions, when they ranked 28th in the league.
It's the same situation on third down. With Peterson in the game, you should not be facing third-and-long. So, when I look at Favre on the Vikings — ignoring all of the obvious things — what I see is the Vikings getting better in the red zone and on third downs. Last season, they allowed 43 sacks, which is inexcusable given the number of passing attempts they made. Their sacks allowed should decrease, and their efficiency should be better.
Really, Favre makes the entire offense better. As long as he stays healthy — with the caveat that he makes good decisions and doesn't throw the ball away to the defense (which he can do) — and as long as he plays the way that John Elway did at the end of his career, where he makes good decisions and takes shots when they're there, this is a legitimate Super Bowl team.
In Favre, the Vikings have an experienced quarterback who understands how to pre-read defenses prior to the snap, and the Vikings will take advantage of that. In terms of the playbook, they can do more than they did with either Sage Rosenfels and Tarvaris Jackson.
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By Gabrielle.
Today is a travel day, and so was yesterday. Sometimes it feels like a lot of navigating goes in to getting from point A to point B. You know what I mean? So many little connections to make before I can see my family. (Man oh man I miss my family!) Here's what my travel has looked like:
– I left the Grand America Hotel in Salt Lake City at 9:30AM yesterday and took the shuttle to the airport.
– I boarded a plane at 11:00AM and stopped at JFK for a short layover in the evening.
– At 7:00PM New York time, I boarded a plane to Paris.
– This morning around 8:30AM Paris time, I landed.
– I made my way through customs, located my luggage and climbed in a taxi to the Montparnasse Train Station at 9:40AM.
– I arrived at the station at 11:00AM, just missing the 10:55 train, which means a 3-hour wait before the next train heads to my little town of Argentan around 2:00PM.
– And now, it's 12:30PM in France, and I'm writing this while sitting at the Montparnasse train station, my luggage piled around me.
This isn't much of a post. It's mostly me just keeping myself awake so I don't miss the next train. And thinking about the challenges of travel, and how to me, it's worth it anyway, even if it involves jetlag and delays.
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Eight states -- California, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, and Texas -- would each be guaranteed one starting slot in each race. The selection process could fall to each breeders' association, but that's another detail yet to be finalized. In addition, details as to the conditions of each of the six races weren't available.
Depending upon the outcome of discussions at its board meeting Oct. 9, the National Thoroughbred Racing Association may announce the details of a proposed regional Breeders' Cup program during its annual meeting Oct. 10-11 in Lexington.As of Friday, plans called for six races, each worth $250,000, to be run the day before the Breeders' Cup World Thoroughbred Championships. "The Great State Challenge Program," currently the working title, would be run at Arlington Park next year should the Illinois track land the 2002 World Thoroughbred Championships as expected.The concept, designed to involve state breed associations and horsemen's groups, is said to have support from NTRA executives."We do have a place on our agenda (for the annual meeting) to discuss horsemen's programs," said Keith Chamblin, senior vice president of marketing and industry relations for the NTRA. "There is a plan on the table to link popular state-bred days together in the form of a national championship. Whether it will be a subject at the meeting depends on what happens at the board meeting."In early September, Gary Biszantz, chairman of the Thoroughbred Breeders and Owners Association, told some of his members the plan has merit. Breeders' Cup president D.G. Van Clief Jr. at that time said details would be released later should all parties agree on a structure.Horses would not have to be Breeders' Cup nominated to participate, though they would have to be nominated to compete for the $50,000 Breeders' Cup would contribute to each race's purse. State associations would kick in another $50,000 per race and the NTRA would provide the bulk of each purse. The plan was discussed during a recent meeting of the California Thoroughbred Breeders Association. "We like it, and we're on board," CTBA executive director Doug Burge said.The major concern by Californians is the scheduling of Cal Cup Day, which usually falls a week before or a week after the Breeders' Cup World Thoroughbred Championships. Burge said that could be tweaked should the Great State Challenge take flight, so the best California-breds have a chance to compete.


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Gettysburg?Trivia brain teasers have some element of trivia in them, but they are not just pure trivia questions.
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- 22 Jun 2017, 17:58
- Forum: Community & Public Visibility
- Topic: Make a Discord server or something?
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Make a Discord server or something?
Speaking that this place is pretty dead, I was thinking maybe we could branch out to other places, namely Discord. If you don't know what Discord is, it's a free voice/text chat service. Link: https://discordapp.com/ . I use this all the time (albeit under my normal alias) and quite enjoy. While I d...
- 22 Jun 2017, 17:48
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Re: Meet our Apositive mascot, tentatively named Abby
How bored and how fallen we must be.......... (Then again I'm still relatively new here I guess. Sort of invalidates me using "we".)
- 08 Mar 2017, 20:28
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I am disabled and have depression (depression isn't much of a disability in the traditional sense to me. It's more a trait of someone that haunts them for their entire life that they had no say in the matter.), but I consider both to be little factor in why I am an ace in practice. I don't care real...
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I must say I am quite concerned with how social progress is going these days. These days, it's becoming more and more the social norm to be a bigot and that (ideally) treating people more or less the same regardless of arbitrary social labels. I admit, I have quite the issues with dealing with my ow...
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Hello there, Max Payne.
- 09 Feb 2017, 18:59
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Hello there. I'm of the mind of friendship > romantic/sexual relationships any day. Regardless of what parts of my mind think.
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- 09 Feb 2017, 15:20
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Thanks for the response, CatBunny. Thanks for the advice about not letting the terrible thoughts get to me. It seems like I have worked on internalizing it since I read your post (I can be a late responder......). Whenever I have the thoughts now, I just basically ignore them and move on. I count my...
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Hello from a confused individual
Hello. The name Typo Master is a secondary alias and not what I usually go by on the Internet. I also used to be on AVEN, but stopped after hearing it was terrible (I didn't see that much wrong though. Wasn't on it that much). Suffice to say, madness is plaguing me once again I need an ace friendly,...
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