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(New Orleans) Dillard won their first game of the season and Head Coach Bernard Griffith got his first victory as coach as the Bleu Devils upset Edward Waters College 64-62 before a packed and rowdy crowd on MLK Day on the Battlefield in Dent Hall.
The victory was sweet for the Bleu Devils, who had suffered several heartbreaking losses prior to defeating Edward Waters.
The Bleu Devils were able to put two halves of perfect, mistake free basketball together to secure the victory. Edward Waters did everything they could to shake the pesky Bleu Devils, but were unable to.
Dillard trailed for majority of the first half, fighting to stay close to the Tigers. Trailing midway through the first half, Dillard went on an impressive 12-4 run to trail by only one point at halftime at 29-28. The Bleu Devils shot 47% from the field in the first half, while connecting on all of their free throw attempts.
In the second half, Edward Waters took control of the game early on, leading the Bleu Devils 42-34. Again, the scrappy and resilient Bleu Devils closed to Tigers lead down to three at 44-41 with a little over five minutes remaining in the game. Dillard continue to fight and claw their way through the game and with seven minutes remaining, a three point play by Lance Theard gave Bleu Devils their first lead of the game at 50-49. Dillard continued to make timely baskets down the stretch, showing excellent poise and patience. A jumper by Devonte Fernandez gave Dillard a 61-56 lead, their largest of the game and sent the gymnasium in a frenzy. The Bleu Devils connected on their free throws down the stretch and held on for the upset victory. Students stormed the court when the final buzzer sounded.
Terry Church led the Bleu Devils with 12 points and 4 rebounds. Myron McGowan contributed l1 points. Lorenzo Mitchell came off the bench late and made critical plays down the stretch to help the Bleu Devils to victory. Mitchell finished with 7 points.
going as they will take Talladega College on Monday, January 23rd on the Battlefield in Dent Hall. Tipoff is set for 7:30p.m.


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I can smell the guayusa clearly and then some apple and spice notes in there. I'm not quite sure guayusa is quite what I'm in the mood for but we shall see.
The first sip was good. Very guayusa with spice and a hint of apple. I added a wee bit of brown sugar and it really makes the apple come out. It's much more cider-like with the brown sugar.
Definitely an excellent start to flavoured guayusas for me.
Update: I cold brewed this one for maybe 12 hours (I can't remember exactly) and I'm preferring it cold over hot. I'm finding much more of an apple cider taste.

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Hey guys, we've got something awesome coming up this weekend and I need your help. You remember how everyone keeps arguing about whether allowing concealed carry in schools for students or teachers would make a difference in a school shooting? Well, we're going to finally put that to the test . . .
If you're in the Connecticut / New York / Rhode Island / Massachusetts area and can get to Southington, CT on Sunday (12/30), then I need your help.
We need people to participate in a simulated school shooting exercise. I'm looking for 25 participants that are willing to put themselves in an active shooter scenario to see how they would react as student, teacher, shooter and concealed carry holder in those situations. We'll be running the simulations again and again, so you'll get your chance to see what its like from all sides. We'll be using Simunitions to try and get as close to a "real" scenario as possible.
Oh, and RF and myself will be there in the flesh. So if you actually want to meet us, we'll be there!
Firearms training experience is not required, and food will be provided (I think — RF correct me if I'm wrong).
For those interested, please contact me directly — firstname.lastname@example.com
77 Responses to Help Needed: TTAG to Conduct Simulated School Shooting
Wow, I wish I could make it.
well if you ever decide to do it in the Tulsa, Oklahoma area I'm in
Sand Springs here, and I second that motion.
I could probably round up a few others.
Nick, emotions and nerves are raw right now. If you do this thing make sure all the local authorities know whats going on. Hopefully you have a nice private and secluded place to run this exercise.
I agree with jwm.
As a SoCal 5-0 guy, I'd love to help you all out. Unfortunately, I've spent too much money on guns, ammo, gear, and donations to the NRA and FPC to swing a ticket. I sure would enjoy gearing up with you guys.
If you haven't already planned it, please add a 5-10 minute police response time to one your scenarios. While we understand what can be done in that time, much of the general public does not. Video evidence is a great tool, especially if you can publish your results beyond TTAG's extensive base.
Gentlemen, I sincerely applaud your efforts in the advancement of freedom and responsible firearm ownership.
I can't afford the flight otherwise I will be there..
Are you guys going to video it, and publish your statistics, so the NRA, SAF and others will have access. I mean good or bad, this could put to rest the whole it wouldn't make a difference.
Nick, I would love to help out, as ive trained with simunitions and I would be honored to be a part of a drill like this. but due to end of the year work this weekend combined with the snow that will be accumalating between me in NH and you guys in CT. I must wish you the best of luck! I will encourage all my friends who live south of me to contact you.
I presume you will have the shooter wearing body armor? Although in reality that probably makes little difference because these cowards generally take their own lives as soon as the bullets start flying back at them.
Do one in Austin!!!!!!!
You guys should come to western Washington. Don't be fooled by the fact it's a blue state, everyone here loves guns or is indifferent to them!
I live in Eastern Washington, but would travel to western to participate.
Another WA gunowner here!
I'd make the drive from Portland (Oregon).
Yeah! Ready volunteer in WA or OR!
Great Idea! I believe 20/20 conducted a "Study" of this sorts a while ago. They didn't approach it in the most scientific fashion. Every time, the shooter had foreknowledge of who was Conceal Carrying. There were a myriad of other issues to take up with the episode. IT was called "If Only I had a Gun".
Here is Campus Carry.org's debunk of it —> http://www.campuscarry.com/opponents/debunking-abcs-2020-episode-if-i-only-had-a-gun/
Hope you guys have a good time! I'll be getting ready for the New Year!
I saw a clip of that on YouTube. The only thing I got out of it was it sucks to be ambushed and/or flanked.
Call of Duty taught me that. Grand insight there.
This 20/20 segment was anti-gun propoganda couched as a an objective look at having a gun in an active shooter situation. If anyone thinks ABC would do otherwise, well, the AI knows better.
Make sure you do one where only the first responders have the firearms like they would in a gunfree zone type situation. This would show all sides of the situation and the difference between waiting on the police and having a CCW in place and not waiting on the police. Just my $.02
While I like the concept, doing this in Connecticut seems like a very bad idea. I wish you the best of luck
Doing it so soon after the tragedy, is just a bad idea.
Doing it so soon after the tragedy in CT, is just bad taste.
This is part of the reason I get turned off by some of my fellow 2A brethren. Sympathy and decorum are always trumped by being "right".
And if this were to be done, AT LEAST work with the new NRA School Shield program for training. Just so we can see how effective their plan is opposed to randomly trained shooters.
This could very easily back fire on us, and change a tide which IMO, is moving in our direction now.
Coyote and Casey,
While I agree that CT is not necessarily the best of locations, I trust and respect TTAG to conduct themselves admirably. I find it pointless to allow the antis to control as much of the conversation and flow of information as they have.
Law Enforcement has continued their Active Shooter training. If anything, the vigor and scope of said training will only continue to increase. I've enjoyed my Simunition training greatly, as it is both a humbling an educational experience. If LEOs can and will train on their end, their is no reason why CCW holders cannot.
Even if the media got ahold of this, and did their best to spin it in a negative manner, I am confident that the raw video footage will show us the value of lawful concealed carry. That is, frankly, something the world needs to see.
Just to make a quick note, this is at a training facility, so it isn't like they are taking over a real school in down town or something.
It will be done in good taste.
Due to the tragedy, why aren't we all expecting such testing/training ALL OVER CT with several every weekend? Did everybody just say, "oh, well" and go back to what they were doing? The idea of avoiding such activity in CT makes no sense. It is where the knowledge was most recently needed and not found.
Larry, I don't think it is ever "too soon" to start talking about what might be the best way to stop gun violence. After all, it was the NRA that initially said it was "too soon" to talk about regulating 15-round magazines. Both sides were incorrect when they state that the argument must wait a year.
If we were to wait a year after the last school shooting, we would hardly ever be able to have the conversation at all.
The objection I have to a demonstration shooting / defense is that it does not accomplish anything. A "simulation", by definition, is going to produce a different result than a real shooting. In simulations, people are calm, strategic, and competitive. In actual shootings, people are unprepared, disorganized, and panicked.
If the purpose of the simulation were to train teachers and law enforcement, then it would be a great idea, regardless of how long it had been since the last shooting. The simulation Leghorn and others put together back in 2012 was nothing of the sort. It was a publicity stunt designed to flaunt the fact that gun nuts think the solution to every problem is more guns.
Instead of helping train teachers or law enforcement, it just provided a grim reminder that the gun community does't understand what "responsible" gun use means.
I think this is poor timing in a poorer location. The antis, and possibly the general public, will rip this thing to shreds no matter what the outcomes in the scenario. I hope this is done on the DL-no press invited or allowed on site.
Only an hour and a quarter away. If I'm not slammed by work, I'd love to participate.
Wish I could go!
I have to agree with some of the reservations expressed here already: Is doing this in Connecticut really a great idea right now?
Interesting. It's like an episode of Mythbusters to see just how effective CCW holder(s) or armed teacher(s) could've been against an active shooter incident at a school. The location of this exercise is an unfortunate choice though…
I hope full statistics are posted soon after along with video proof to back up the stats. Just know that any video of the event will be used against you, regardless if the intent was to get to the bottom of the anti-gun protests regarding their "facts" that "more guns wouldn't have helped".
Just my opinion, but this exercise shouldn't be about gun control vs. pro-gun anything. It should simply be a fact-finding mission to see just how much more effective the presence of a lone (or several) CCW holders are vs. a spree shooter. Or armed teacher(s) vs. spree shooter.
And I would be very careful of how you release any video of this test. I would encourage you to only release the statistics and any other findings and wait on the video until it is appropriate.
I hope you're all taking the necessary steps to create blind trials where the "shooter" and "guards" don't know when a live scenario will occur to keep the reaction times as realistic as possible to prevent the naysayers claiming any "positive" results were staged.
On another note, I hope firearm instructors start planning similar simulation courses like this for training civilians on how to engage active shooters in a public environment. Especially now that this sort of unfortunate event is susceptible to copycats.
E-mail sent.
I'm in the Farmington valley. I can do at least half a day.
Sorry, but I'm with the other commenters who think this is an epically bad idea. It's way too soon, and the outside world will indubitably take it as putting the 'nut' in gun nut. Six months from now — awesome. But I don't think it will contribute enough to the current debate to be anywhere near worth the terrible 'optics'.
I agree completely. Please rethink this, guys. Or at least do it in another state.
Damn, I would totally be up for this if it was a little further out on the schedule. I'm in central pa, but I head up that way frequently.
Damn, I would totally be up for this if it was a little further out on the schedule. I'm in central pa, but I head up that way frequently.
This is a good idea. Everyone is talking theory and opinion, let's do an experiment for once.
Best of luck. Too far for me and my current financial situation, or I'd be there in a minute.
Running actual simulations is awesome, and I wish you all the luck and good, valid data you can handle.
Running them in CT seems like a PR stunt, like setting up some sort of sensational encounter with protestors or making some kind of grand statement. I'm skeptical the only facilities available and will to participate just happen to be located in Connecticutt. Maybe I'm wrong, though.
If the intent is some kind of stunt in addition to the simulation, I dislike it. Do the cool Mythbusters-style science, then do the activism.
*/tin-foil hat*
Shoot, call the Mythbusters to come help!
This will be taken and spun. Don't expect the footage to be cut into anything more than clips of your simulated villain "practicing shooting children".
Emotions are way too high right now. I'd wait and find somewhere other than CT. And if you can, I'd find an agency who would be interested in the training or the simulations, even one officer officially supervising would take a lot of the potential heat off of this.
As it stands right now, this seems like it would just add more heat to the boiling pot of anti-gun activism. We need to be letting things cool. There is a reason Anti's only offer "discussion" in the wake of these shootings, they need people angry and unreasonable.
Man, if I was only a couple thousand miles closer, I would totally go!
Wish you could do this a week later and further south!! Been through a lot of urban combat style training and would love to participate!!
As far as the right time, even though emotions are still running high over Sandy Hook the sim needs to be done soon before the media an government push it to the back burner with coverage of the upcoming push for the "New AWB" .
If you were closer to Arkansas I would love to participate. Weather here won't permit the travel for a day or two, got 12″ of snow Christmas evening from Winter Storm Euclid.
Cover every angle/scenario you can think of. No prior info other than barest necessities to the participants. Good Luck and God Bless!!
I would certainly not call this awesome.
What a poor choice of wording on your part.
Poor timing.
Poor choice of words, "we've got something awesome coming up."
Poor choice of locations.
I see not much thought went into this.
Calling something this serious awesome speaks volumes.
I just spent the weekend visiting relatives in Connecticut. My grandpa and I were the only ones on the pro-gun side of the fence. So many once pro-gun family members had "jumped the whole damn ship" as gramps put it. Emotions are high around the country but absolutely through the roof in that state. This isn't a good idea, especially if it's hosted in CT.
Alright… My dad and I have both come to the same conclusion about this: People need to be retrained for something like this.
If you find yourself in an active shooter situation and you don't have a gun on you:
If it isn't nailed to the ground, pick it up, and throw it like your life depends on it.
9 times out of 10 people don't do jack shit but sit there and die like sheep! If that's the average of humanity, then I'm embarrassed…
That reaction has to stop.
If you see a gun, THROW STUFF.
If you see a gun, THROW STUFF.
And yell for others to throw stuff too!
Textbooks, laptops, ipads, backpacks, chairs, desks, jackets, purses, wallets, pencils, pens, ipods, iphones, shoes, sandals. Anything and everything, if it isn't nailed down, send it towards the shooter, fast and hard.
All of those things can be replaced. You can't.
You are literally surrounded by weapons every day, use them like your life depends on it!
If you get them distracted enough, someone close should take their keys and jam them in their neck. The assailant's blood will be hotter than hell and shooting out fast enough to paint the ceiling, but it'll be worth it.
When I was in college, I sat in the front of the class for that very reason.
Have a scenario where an active shooter tries to take a shot, but have everyone else throw things their way, and see how many shots they get off, or how accurate they are.
(That's the sort of mentality of one who was raised by parents who met in martial arts class, and of someone who got to play around with their mother's batons before they could walk, so I guess I'm something of an odd-ball in the grand scheme of things…)
I don't know what transpired in that classroom, but I'm willing to bet that the teacher(s) didn't do anything like whatI described above.
"If you see a gun, THROW STUFF."
Preferably lead and copper stuff.
At 900+ fps.
And I'm gonna throw lead.
That too!
But unfortunately a lot of the people I live and work with both can't and won't carry concealed.
Both my dad and I have been pulling our hair out over this…
Take your standard-issue hardcover textbook, multiply it by 20-40 students, and have them throw them all at once at a singular target.
If I wasn't on the other side of the nation, I'd volunteer to be the opfor for just that situation!! I'll walk in, brandish a gun, take aim, and see how many innocents I can take out in a classroom before people start throwing their stuff at me.
I'm probably about three hours away and might consider helping, but doing a school shooting exercise in CT and filming it is an epically stupid idea.
Let's look at all the things that can go right: You demonstrate what those who are willing to listen already know – armed people can stop a bad guy in an active shooter situation. Problem is that anyone with half a brain and an open mind can already figure this one out without the need to see it on video.
Okay, now all the things that can go wrong:
1. You release video of the event and the news folks only show select clips showing how "gun nuts" are "training" for future school shootings and civil insurrections. You may think you can control the message, but once it gets out there, there is no control.
2. Some nutjob studies your videos and then uses them as a training exercise for dealing with armed defenders when he perpetrates his little quest for glory. This comes out and you get branded "murder trainers" and if the footage is associated with TTAG, this website gets wiped out of existence. Believe me, if someone can spin that TTAG is even peripherally responsible for another school shooting, people will drop this site faster than an issue of RECOIL.
3. Even without videos, the local news, which gets picked up on national news reports about how a bunch of gun nuts are participating in an exercise of immense poor taste and lack of empathy for the victims running simulations of a school shooting in CT of all places. Southington is only about 30 miles from Newtown, so expect some pretty pissed off people showing up at your doorstep. Unless your training facility has armed guards, things could get pretty ugly pretty quickly.
Fact is that doing a school shooting exercise three weeks after an actual school shooting is bad judgement. Doing it in a CT town about a half hour from where the actual event took place is monumentally ill advised. I get what you are trying to accomplish, but you could get much of the same result by making it a different scenario with an active shooter. Ideally, you should also consider a different state.
I know that you guys will probably move ahead with this anyway and all we can do is hope for the best, but do take a few moments and consider the heat this may bring down on TTAG. We have a few celebrity contributors here (Rob Pincus, etc) and if you want to keep them as contributors, you may want to consider whether they want their names associated with TTAG should things go south.
Or they just shot that CCW holders can take out an active shooter – which they will. If you mix competent shooters together, one person can't take out more than a few people. The schools are already set up in a defenseless manner – a worst case scenario. If you don't believe that armed good guys can make the situation better, you're already missing the whole point of TTAG.
I think you're missing the point of his post…
He's not saying that people need to know that an armed response is better regarding an active shooter — that is self-evident. He's saying staging this exercise in CT is in very poor taste. And many would agree.
His point is, why are you even doing it in CT to begin with? Staging this exercise in CT only a few weeks after the shooting has more negative connotations than positive. End of story. It also defeats the purpose of this exercise being a clean, non-bias look at a school shooting incident — everyone is going to concentrate on the fact it's in poor taste before they look at any useful results the tests may conclude. Why muddy the waters of potentially useful information by picking an ill time and location for it?
Granted, if the location and date of this evidence gathering wasn't announced on TTAG, it would be a non-issue. Why not just work with other firearms community leaders and facilities to get this tested outside of CT?
Make it as sterile and methodical an environment as possible so it's not shooting itself in the foot from the onset with potentially bad press and politics from an already irrational and sensitive anti-gun community?
Dude, did you actually read my comment, or just skim it, looking for something to criticize? In the second paragraph, I acknowleged that this will demonstrate whatwe already know, that armed defenders can stop an active shooter.
My point is that most people willing to listen are already willing to acknowlege that point. It's like proving that rain is wet. It's common sense. What I'm saying is that the anti-s are not going to let something like common sense and fact cloud their argument. They will instead focus on the worst possible way to view this exercise and run with it.
On top of the standard anti-s, with the actual events still fresh in the minds of people, a lot of folks, who might otherwise be willing to reasonably consider the demonstrated findings will instead be horrified at the monumental bad taste of topic and location and it will have a deleterious effect on our argument.
Agreed, I think this will be a PR nightmare and hurt our cause.
"Look at those gun nuts practicing for a school shooting in CT just days after Newtown!"
I truly LOVE the idea. Really I do. If only it was valid, in a defensible way.
But, as a man of science, one could drive a truck through the preexisting holes in this "test/study/whateva". I hate to pee on the Wheaties, but I'd really hate for someone at least as smart as me to take this apart and make us look the fool(s).
One underestimates one's opponent at one's own risk.
From every "combat" shooting competition of any flavor anyone has ever been in, to every "combat real training survival by damn I'm an ex-blackops badazz" BS training course you've ever taken, there's one variable that's never controlled for…
You KNOW it is coming. Period. Full effing stop. Just like EVERY security guard on planet Earth, 99.999999% of all days are rote non-events.
Actual "real" training analysis is a result of what happens in a factual event vis-a-vis a scenario one trains for. Sure training helps, but it can't analyze forward. That is a logical fallacy.
Please, for the love of guns, this will not go well when analyzed by those with an (irrational) desire to spin this against us.
I think I understand all the concern about the timing and location being too close to the tragedy in Newtown. Realize that the fact remains that the day after the incident, police officers, school boards, school superintendents all sat down and started running through security threat scenarios in their heads and on paper. In between prayers for the victims, many people were thinking what would I do if in that situation.
The head of the training facility is military. A really good guy who knows his stuff. I trust him to make sure that this is more of a scientific event to learn from and create doctrine for future training and response to active shooters.
Yes I expect that some of the after action will be posted here on TTAG. Yes I expect that some anti's and Brady bunch types may/will try and make jokes and use this as propaganda. While the anti's are out there figuring out how to strip rights away from the law abiding citizens, shouldn't someone be thinking how to defend against and stop this sort of thing from happening again?
Take Pics and Video!!!
I am interested in how your scenarios will keep the teachers and students surprised and unaware of the experiment and how are you going to combat observer bias?
To actually test the effectiveness you will need to keep the students and teachers unaware of the impending attack. Basically every time you run the test you would have to do it with a new group of students/teachers. You also have to run a control group for every type of test. Basically, you are going to need way more than 25 people.
Instead of people complaining about how this might look bad, let's look at what can be learned from this. Please highly document/videos of this and share with us so we may all learn and adapt.
Make sure you run a version where all school employees are armed. My problem with NRA's one cop per school proposal is that given the size of suburban schools, one person can't possibly react quickly enough while if all the adults were trained and carrying, someone would be right there at the start who could stop it.
Make sure that you run scenarios where there are multiple CCW holders that are UNAWARE of each other.
A lot of people bring out the advice that you should take cover and be a good witness, because otherwise another CCW holder or the police will think you're the bad guy and shoot you.
I want to know how often that scenario actually plays out.
A lot of folks are worrying about "too soon" and "too close". We are in the age of the internet. It wouldn't matter when this was run or where, the gun grabbers would motivate and do all the same things no matter what time or place.
Yeah, I don't see any reason why a simulation put on by a pro-gun website would be any different from a madman at an elementary school.
Except maybe the hundreds of expert shooters in your reader base.
And the fact that you announced it was a simulation, to let people know they won't get killed.
And the fact that the shooter will not have the element of surprise.
And the students will be played by grown men, instead of actual unprepared children.
So, gee, I wonder what the outcome will be?
Yeah, I just don't see what will be gained here. Best case is you prove that armed resistance to an attack is better than unarmed passivity. Does anyone who has an even partly open mind on the subject really think otherwise? And the closed-minded won't care what the results are, so who is this exercise for?
As others have said, there are numerous ways this can go wrong and paint our side very poorly. What if your scenarios shake out such that the concealed carry victims don't actually make much difference? Wouldn't that be a nice late Christmas present for the antis? But no matter how it shakes out, the headline is going to be "Gun Nuts Stage Mock Shooting 15 Miles From Newtown" (sure, your facility is 30 miles away, but the media won't get the facts right – be prepared for that). That's a best case scenario. Worst case is some really upset people show up to protest your bad taste and things get really bad really fast.
There's really no scientific value to this, anyway. There's absolutely no way to introduce a meaningful element of surprise for those involved, you'll just have 20 guys sitting at desks, tensed up and waiting. They may not know the precise moment the shooting will start, but they'll know it's coming. That's not even slightly realistic.
So when Low Budget Dave, and the like, are arguing against armed citizens in schools or theaters they claim that innocent bystanders will be shot by untrained, inexperienced vigilantes. But when someone puts together an experiment to test if they might be wrong, the participants are suddenly "hundreds of expert shooters". So which am I?
Ridgeliner, I don't know which you are. I haven't met you. I am just saying that readers of this website know more about gun safety than the population in general.
Even if he were putting the ad in a "liberal" newspaper, though, people who go to the trouble of showing up for a "simulated shooting" are more likely to be enthusiasts than casual gun owners.
The idea that this is an "experiment", though, is laughable. Is it going to be a double-blind evaluation? Will both parties have an equal chance of using live ammo? Because if not, then it isn't an "experiment", it is "play-acting".
From your earlier comments, I believe you know the difference. This means that you already know why the "experiment" is invalid.
You are just pushing it because you think it might prove your point. Deep down inside, though, you know that it proves almost the opposite: Gun nuts are so desperate to come up with excuses to hold on to their weapons that they are willing to engage in macabre re-creations, and then trumpet obviously fake "test" data to support their lies.
It isn't productive, it's disgusting. And you know it, too, don't you?


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Liverpool striker Andy Carroll's protracted transfer to West Ham has moved a step closer, according to David Gold.
Hammers chairman Gold has indicated that the club have made progress in their bid to agree personal terms with the England forward.
It was claimed on May 21 that Liverpool had agreed to sell the striker to West Ham for £15 million, but the deal needed Carroll to accept the move - which still hasn't happened.
But responding to a fan question on Twitter on Tuesday night, Gold stated:
@thanks_carra23 the chances of AC joining West Ham has risen from 50/50 to 75/25 in the last few hours. Will keep u posted. Dg— David Gold (@DavidGoldWHU) June 11, 2013
The tweet has since been deleted.
Reports last week suggested that the striker had demanded a salary of £100,000 a week to move to Upton Park, something that West Ham have been reluctant to sanction.
The 24-year-old's Liverpool salary is around £80,000 a week, and was paid by the Hammers while he was on loan with them last season. Carroll, who is currently recovering from an ankle injury, scored seven times in 23 appearances during his loan stint at Upton Park.
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John Judis of The New Republic is mad at Democrats for shoving Anthony Weiner out the door. "[A] sex scandal that involved no illegal activity – that is not a firing offense. A politician may resign out of embarrassment, as Representative Anthony Weiner did, but that doesn't justify other politicians from his own party, including the president himself, calling for his resignation."
Agreed. Weiner clearly has some issues – and was an obnoxious, self-adoring pain in the ass long before any of this – but it's hard to see how anything he did, however embarrassing, however hurtful to his wife (and really, that's none of our business), affected his ability to do his job. That seems to be the view most of his constituents took. I think he took it to a different level by lying – to his colleagues and, on TV, everyone else (something Judis doesn't address); but is that a firing offense? It wasn't for Bill Clinton.
Matt Taibbi: The Great Debate - Is Anthony Weiner an Asshole?
Nancy Pelosi, calling on Weiner to resign, claimed he'd become a "distraction." Judis resonably retorts: "From what? Pelosi herself no longer has any power. And the Democrats under Obama have decided to conduct their most critical politics in private, through secret negotiations with the opposition." (And anyway, the "distraction" comes of the deranged, wall-to-wall media coverage. That may be inevitable, but it's not Weiner's fault; he would have been just fine with less media!) And then Obama worried on TV about Weiner's ability to serve "when people are worrying about jobs, and their mortgages, and paying the bills." This is the same Obama, Judis notes, who "has not raised a finger to defend Elizabeth Warren, his presumed appointee to head the still-born Consumer Financial Protection Bureau."
It seems pretty clear that Democrats were cowed into ditching their unloved colleague. "Weiner's resignation means little, except to him and his family," writes Judis, "but the willingness of leading Democrats to cave in the face of the campaign against him will embolden the Breitbarts and Eric Cantors of the world to up the ante."
• 'Weenie Democrats: Shame on the Party for Abandoning Anthony Weiner' [TNR]


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Scripture… As We Live It #129
This is the 129th passage in "Scripture… As We Live It."
(Before this verse, Jude has been describing false teachers…)
But you, beloved, build yourselves up in your most holy faith; pray in the Holy Spirit; keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life… and talk about those false teacher as often as you can. Build your whole existence on proving them wrong. (Jude 1:20-21 re-mix)
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Bill Templer, University of Malaya Thursday, June 5, 2008, 12:00 am TWN
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia -- In response to Phil Charlier's "Students need English input in class," (The China Post, May 31), I agree that the game's name is 'comprehensible input,' mainly through extensive voluntary lighter reading and 'recreational' extensive listening, largely outside the classroom.
A very under-used resource — both for weaker learners and more proficient students who want to really strengthen foundations — is Voice of America Special English, launched in 1959 on shortwave and now a mouse click away (www.voaspecialenglish.com), cost-free. It's based on a 1,500 headword core vocabulary. Sentences are short, averaging 14 words. Repetition is frequent. There are few adjectives and almost no idioms. One 'proposition' per sentence. The speed of delivery is 90 words per minute, about 25 percent slower than 'normal' speaking tempo. For all feature reports, you can both read the text and listen to the audio.
Every day, there is 10 minutes of world news, followed by two feature reports in 14 categories, from development and economics to health, exploration, agriculture, science, music, education and a kind of American 'mosaic' of culture. The online archives going back to 2001 has more than 5,000 separate feature texts, many with MP3 audio. Students can learn to browse, self-select what interests them, all at a comfortable reading level. Using a technique that Krashen calls 'free voluntary Web-surfing.' Many feature articles are of kind of 'English for Science Lite,' adding some technical vocab where needed. There is a Word Book of the 1,500-headword core online.
You can also still get Special English very easily on shortwave. Though run by the U.S. government, this is not a propaganda channel. It's coverage is very balanced. Biographies have included Margaret Sanger, Billie Holiday, Kurt Vonnegut.
My own view is that Special English, made active for speaking and writing, is a "leaner downshifted" mode of plainer language that can serve as a "plateau target" for many average ordinary learners, the great multitude. With 1,500 headwords, you can say almost anything.
My advice: have most students master and overlearn a simpler English, largely autonomously. Build in-depth control of a compact power tool, frugal and fun. Especially for improving pronunciation, writing, grammar control — and even speaking skills — by extensive exposure to comprehensible interesting input, it's an excellent spot. For extensive listening at lower intermediate level, another superb site is www.eslpod.com, run by one of Krashen's closest associates, Jeff McQuillan.
Those who'd like to continue climbing up the 'Everest' of complex English — and who enjoy the socioeconomic privilege to do this — can always trek on. As Shelley Gollust, head of Special English, recently commented: "It's almost like Hemingway. You can write something easy and direct, and it's more powerful that way."


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PASADENA>> A Pasadena City College professor has been placed on paid administrative leave after a student alleged the professor struck him during class.
According to college legal counsel Gail Cooper, the incident is under investigation and the professor, Mark McQueen, who teaches English, has been placed on paid leave. She said she could not discuss any further details.
"Placing Mr. McQueen on paid administrative leave is a necessary measure to protect the integrity of the investigation and the student complainant and witnesses," Cooper said in an email. "Mr. McQueen continues in good standing with his regular pay during the investigation, and he and the student are both shielded from any further incident during its course."
The incident occurred on Halloween.
Faculty Association President Roger Marheine said McQueen was teaching an English class on Halloween when the student stood up and began shouting expletives and raised his fist. Marheine said McQueen, 64, raised his arm to protect himself, because he has physical health issues.
"Mark raised his hand to block a potential blow from the student. He was afraid for his health and his well being," Marheine said. "By all reports, that is the truth."
Pasadena City College police Sgt. Bill Abernathie said he could not release any details about the incident because of the ongoing investigation. Abernathie could not say whether McQueen was arrested.
Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department records do not show McQueen in the booking system and the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office has not filed any charges in connection with the incident.
PCC Police Chief Donald Yoder did not return calls seeking comment.
Marheine said the college's action to put McQueen on leave was too swift, and reflective of an administrative climate that is "toxic" toward faculty.
"We're outraged that a longtime faculty member with no history of this kind of thing has been put on leave by just some student pointing a finger," he said. "The current college climate is totally anti-faculty, it's hostile to the integrity of faculty and education, it has been a very, very trying three years. … They are just going after anybody anytime."
McQueen is not the first faculty member to face problems on campus in recent months. Journalism professor Warren Swil has been on leave since March after a student alleged sexual harassment, and infamous "porn professor" Hugo Schwyzer ultimately resigned his post after a long-fought battle with administrators over his personal life and curriculum. Faculty members and students have been in conflict with administrators in recent years, and both the student and faculty have passed votes of no-confidence against President Mark Rocha. The Board of Trustees recently extended Rocha's contract to 2017.
Ultimately, Cooper said the college will conduct a thorough investigation.
"It is the district's responsibility to protect the safety of all employees and students and to investigate complaints of misconduct," Cooper said. "The investigator will investigate both sides of the story and after evaluating all of the evidence, will determine which allegations are sustained and which are not."


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Talking Comics with Tim: David Liss and Allen Byrns on 'Angelica Tomorrow'
Typically, I don't interview a creator twice about the same project. However, David Liss is a writer whom I consider to be greatly undervalued; if you never read the Black Panther stories he did with Francesco Francavilla a few years ago, you should remedy that situation immediately. We initially discussed his creator-owned Angelica Tomorrow in 2012, but along the way publishing plans (and options available to Liss) expanded, and an opportunity presented itself to bring artist Allen Byrns into the discussion.
On Wednesday, the six-part miniseries that Liss characterizes as "Ghost World meets The Terminator" debuts on comiXology, with plans to ultimately publish a trade paperback through 215 Ink. The slice-of-life project pairs a physically challenged teenage boy with an amnesiac cyborg assassin, and it's perhaps unsurprising, given that quirky pairing, that the fiery action begins pretty quickly.
Tim O'Shea: David, we first discussed this project in 2012 with plans for it to come out in 2013. Along the way did you decide to publish it digitally first, or has that been part of the plan all along?
David Liss: The plan right now is to publish each of the six issues digitally, and then we'll release a trade paperback. This seems to me a good way to get the word out for a comic that is a little bit non-traditional and to establish some word of mouth and hopefully get some reviews that we can use to market the trade collection. That said, Diamond did not want to distribute the physical issues, so this is what we have to work with.
How did you two go about deciding the look of the cast of Angelica Tomorrow?
Allen Byrns: When I received the scripts from David, he had basic descriptions of the characters. Nothing too specific, pretty much leaving it to my own interpretations — which was fun. I wanted to give the younger characters a "hip" look the kids have these days. For Angelica, I don't remember if David had anything specific, but I thought the orange [hair color] made her stand out a lot and really cool. A little something that makes Angelica Tomorrow special.
Liss: I gave Allen some basic guidelines about what the various characters would look like, and he did an amazing job of translating my ideas onto the page. I never once felt the need to ask him to tweak any of his character designs. Whenever I saw his art, I always thought That's exactly what I wanted while also thinking That's so much better than what I had in mind.
Allen, at one point in the first issue we see an exterior of George's house, and it looks like a photo of a house. There's also an exterior shot of his high school that is along the same lines. Can you talk about what made you opt for establishing shots like that in those instances?
Byrns: There's nothing more than I just liked the way it looked. On some occasions I use real pictures. Let's say for the school, I took a bunch of school pictures, cut some parts here and there to make it the way I wanted it to look. With all the effects and texture, it really gives a cool old picture like effect. I'm planning on showing a bit of my process as bonus in the collected paperback.
Can you discuss the look you wanted to have for the series, in particular how the coloring palette that helps set the tone for the series?
Byrns: I give warm or cold colors depending on where the scene takes place. For example, if it takes place outside, I'll give it a cold blue color. On the other hand, the house or school should be warmer than outside, so I go with something brown-ish. When I read the first script, I wasn't sure how it would turn out. But mixing both my style of art and David's writing really made something great and unique, I think.
Liss: I asked Allen to come on board with this project because I thought his style was a perfect match for this kind of story. I am not an artist, and I would never have suggested a palette, but I think what Allen came up with looks amazing.
Without going into details, David, the first issue touches upon the impact of alcoholism. Is that an element that is explored further in upcoming issues, given the nature of George's mother?
Liss: It's part of who George and his mother are, but I didn't see it as a theme to explore. This isn't an inspiring tale about people hitting bottom and reaching sobriety. George and his mother drink too much because they are both people who, in their different ways, have given up on life. For George, drinking with friends is also his main social activity. The alcoholism is of a way of illustrating who these people are, and where they are, when the story begins.
Can you discuss what storytellers influence your approach to storytelling?
Liss: I wanted to write a book that would allow me to channel the slice of life comics I've always loved, especially those by people like Daniel Clowes, Terry Moore, and Jeff Lemire. But I've also always loved comics that combine slice of life elements with various genre story lines — especially, say, Brian K. Vaughan or Robert Kirkman in Invincible. My goal was to write a story about people with real and personal problems and goals, and combine that with an over-the-top science fiction element.
Byrns: I'm happy David mentioned Jeff Lemire, I always liked his stuff. For me, obviously I can't hide that I'm influenced by artists like Ashley Wood and Ben Templesmith. I always liked the way they weren't conventional in their storytelling. I always try to think and approach the pages and panels differently than your average comic book. Hopefully, to make something new.
The last time I interviewed David, he mentioned liking to work humor into the story. By his own description your art is moody and evocative, so Allen how hard was it to add humor into your art?
Byrns: It just fit well in the story. David's use of humor is well placed and never felt out of place. It was new for me, but it wasn't hard at all to incorporate it into the art at all.
Can the two of you discuss what you enjoy most about this collaborative process?
Liss: This was the first time I've worked in comics with absolutely no editorial or rights-holder oversight, so there was no established continuity or history to draw on, and there was no editor advising me on how to shape the narrative. I loved being able to hand the completely original scripts over to Allen and then see how he took the ideas and made them his own and brought them fully to life.
Byrns: It was the first time I worked with a well-established writer. Every script was professionally written. I never had any issues with them. It was also the longest project I've even done so the whole thing was exciting. I liked the fresh new story, David's open mind, and being able to do whatever we wanted to do.
Could you see telling more stories with Angelica and George, or is the plan to tell their story with this project?
Liss: My goal was always to tell a story that was complete on its own but could, theoretically, be expanded if we needed it to. The main characters all undergo major changes by the end of issue six, however, which to my mind is a good sign that the story has reached the end of at least an initial cycle. I enjoyed working with these characters, and this project has been a lot of fun to put together, so it would not take a whole lot of pushing to convince me to work up a sequel.
Byrns: This mini-series tells a complete story, but I guess it wouldn't be too hard to expand their universe. If the mini-series goes well, who knows?
This project has been percolating since 2011, how good does it feel to be on the cusp of putting this in people's hands?
Byrns: Finally! We started the work on AT couple years back. Looking back, my art from the first issues to the last ones has really evolved. The first couple issues are very different than my art now. I was still perfecting my craft at the time. I learned a lot. It takes a while to get a full mini-series like this into people's hand. We made it, and I'm happy with our product.
Liss: Moving from initial idea to distributed project has definitely taken a bit longer than I would have anticipated, but I'm very excited to get it out there. It's an unusual comic, I think, but I also believe it's the sort of story that should appeal to a lot of fans. Let's hope!
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Childhood's End[edit]
Childhood's End is not really about religion. It's not about millenialism in any normal religious sense; it's really about evolution of the human species. I think Clarke would be surprised to be told it's about religion (though he might think it's about what religious should be, since he never seemed to have very much time for it).
Some of these others need a little explanation. I've only read the first four Foundation books, and it was a long time ago, but there was no real discussion of religious themes in the first three, and only slightly in the fourth. DJ Clayworth 16:34, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Childhood's End theme is obviously religious. Go back and read the conversation between Karellen and Stormgren in the Chapter One. They discuss religion. Arthur C. Clarke might not be religious himself in any sense you would recognise or he would admit but the novel is replete with religous references and symbolism. Berry College
In almost all of his books, Clarke makes some comment about religion. Most of the time, they are against religion; sseing as Clarke is an atheist, this is predictable. In The Trigger, the hero, Horton, is an atheist, who, at one point, is forced to watch maniacal overly-religious individuals murder innocent people. In Rendevous With Rama the main character is also an atheist who only sends a religous message for his friend just in case there is a god. In an interview, Clarke said "religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses." I hope this clears up some of the debates over Clarke's view of religion. CJK
You can see other Clarke's books where religion is an important topic: "the hammer of God" (where we see the creation of a new religion and how it really works), "the light of other days" (because of time travelling tecnology, we can see the "real" Jesus). Also in "3001" it is a main discussion topic. RODRIGO
The conclusion of Childhood's End bears a remarkable similarity to the concept of the "Omega Point" described by the 20th century theologian Teilhard de Chardin. That alone qualifies its inclusion here, in my opinion. Pinkbeams —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 21:30, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
I agree that Clarke's Overmind seems eerily similar to de Charden's supernatural Omega Point (as opposed to Frank Tipler's post-human Omega Point). Childhood's End definitely belongs here. PlatinumBeetle (talk) 17:29, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
The main link between religion and science fiction is Impressionism, I think. Both are vaguely fantastic and highly emotional. Could this be worked into the page anywhere? 184.108.40.206 18:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
What's that story?[edit]
What's the story where, in the far future of the Universe, a god of the gaps, its power dwindling, flees from a Universe-spanning civilization that has no need for religion: but when finally cornered, discovers that mankind has morally evolved, and is willing to forgive its, er, trespasses against them? -- The Anome 11:10, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
And what about A. E. van Vogt's The Book of Ptath, where religious belief (in you, by others) is the source of god-like powers, rather than the result of them? -- The Anome 11:10, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
Why was the Jesus section wiped?[edit]
I have created the following and added it to the article, I worked quite hard at it. I think the theme of people going back to the time of Jesus is highly relevant to the article. Katieh5584 wiped it all out without giving any explanation. Can some explanation be given, please?Adam keller 19:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Time-travelling to meet Jesus
One of the consequences of assuming time travel to be possible is to open up the possibility of modern people travelling beck to the time of Jesus Christ - and specifically, to the crucifiction. This raises complex moral and religious questions dealt with in very different ways by different writers.
- In Arthur Porges's story The Rescuer,(1962) scientists in 2015 face charges of having deliberately destroyed a three-billion dollar project. They tell the judges that instead of the carefully controlled experiment in time-travel they had planned, a religious fanatic had taken over the machine, and headed for Golgotha with a rifle and five thousand rounds. His attempt to save Jesus might have wiped out the entire present world as we know it, and the only way to stop it was by destroying the machine. The affair must be kept from the public, since some might identify with "The Rescuer".
- In Garry Kilworth's story Let's go to Golgotha (1975 - published in a collection of the same name), tourists from the future can book on a time-travelling "Crucifiction Tour". Before setting out, they are strictly warned that they must not do anything to disrupt history. Specifically, when they crowd is asked whether Jesus or Barabbas should be spared, they must all join the call "Give us Barabbas". (A priest absolves them from any guilt for so doing). However, when the moment comes, the protagonist suddenly realizes that the crowd condemning Jesus to the cross is composed entirely of tourists from the future, and that no actual Jewish Jerusalemites of 33 A.D. are present at all...
- In Richard Matheson's The Traveller (1954), a professor who is a confirmed sceptic is for that reason chosen to be the first to travel in time to see the crucifiction, in a kind of travelling cage which makes him invisible to the people of the past. Seeing the actual scene, he feels an increasing empathy for Jesus, and finally attempts to save him and is hauled back to the present by the monitoring conductors of the experiment. He comes back a changed man - though he had seen no miracles, he did see "a man giving up his life for the things he believed" and "that should be miracle enough for everybody; in short, without actually being aware of the invisible professor from his future, Jesus in his stance had managed to make him a believer.
- In Poul Anderson's book There Will Be Time,(1972) a young Twentieth Century American discovers that he had been born with the ability to travel through time without any need of a machine. Reasoning that there must be others like him and that Jerusalem at the time of the crucifiction is a good place to try locating them, he goes there and walks through the street singing the mass, which is of course meaningless to people of the time. This does help to get located by agents of a time-travelling organization, who take him to their headquarters in the fat future -without having gotten to see Jesus at all.
- John Brunner's Times Without Number (1962)depicts an alternate reality in which the Spanish Armada conquered England. In this Twentieth Century, time travel is discovered - controlled, like much else in the world, by the Catholic Church. It is decreed that every new pope, on entering his job, would be privileged to travel to Palestine in the time of Christ's ministry. Everybody else is strictly forbidden to go anywhere or anywhen near.
- The most extensive treatment of this theme to date seems to be Michael Moorcock's book Behold the Man (1966). The Twentieth-Century Karl Glogauer, a Jew obsessed with the figure of Jesus (and with Jung) and who also appears in other Moorcock books, travels in time to the year 28 A.D. He meets various New Testament figures such as John the Baptist and the Virgin Mary (whose conduct is anything but virginal).
- Finding that Mary and Joseph's child Jesus is a mentally retarded hunchback, who could never become the Jesus portrayed in Scripture, Glogauer himself begins to step into the role of Jesus. In the end, he does fully become Jesus, and dies on the cross (having sepcifically asked Judas to betray him). This raises the philosophical issue of whether or not it even matters whether the historical Jesus ever existed.
- The above was posted two days ago and no reactions. So,unless somebody has a good reason to offer why I shouldn't, I am going to to include this section in the article again tomorrow. Reactiuons, anybody? Adam keller 19:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC).
PLEASE DO IT! I AM GOING TO READ THOSE BOOKS! Thanks a lot Adam for the information. You have to read some Clarke's books. RODRIGO
Interesting article. I'm surprised it doesn't mention Firefly, which is almost littered with religious references. 18.104.22.168 21:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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Fantasy fiction[edit]
I've just been reviewing some of the revert/edit warring going on over the inclusion of fantasy fiction on this list.
My personal view is that fantasy should be included on this list only when the fiction in question addresses religious issues in a significant or novel way. Most fantasy fiction includes some reference to supernatural beings and alternative theology, but it's usually just a backdrop in pulp fantasy. Good SF, on the other hand, asks deep questions about such theology--usually by highlighting the specific differences between real world theologies, and the fictional alternatives.
If the fiction does that, then it doesn't matter whether it is technically considered fantasy or science fiction, it should still be included. Remember that the line between fantasy and science fiction can be quite blurry at times (consider Roger Zelazny's Lord of Light, for example). Also remember that "SF"--the literary term for the genre--can mean Speculative fiction rather than science fiction. Perhaps the title of the article should be changed to reflect that.
The recent edit regarding Lois McMaster Bujold's books didn't really give enough information to understand why they were notable. However, according to her bio page (see previous link), Palladin of Souls won both the Hugo and the Nebula awards--which makes it pretty clear that the SF community probably thought she was asking some deep questions and not just writing pulp fantasy adventure stories. If more description can be provided about the nature of the theology in her books, then I see no reason why they can't be included here. "Substantial consideration of free will" and vague references to theology that is "consistent and well-presented" just isn't enough to go on. --Pariah (talk) 04:06, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
- Those particular books are fantasy novels, not science fiction. This list is for religious ideas in science fiction. I don't see why this is such a point of contention - it seems pretty black and white to me. They should not be included, no matter how deeply they delve into theological and philosophical considerations,. They belong on a similar article for fantasy fiction - along with, for example, Eru Illuvatar/the Valar of Tolkien and Lewis' Aslan/the Emperor-Over-the-Sea. I'll create it myself, if I have to. Renaming this article to incorporate speculative fiction as a whole is another idea, although the list could become pretty convoluted after a while if it were made to accomodate religious ideas present in literature from all those genres deemed "speculative". Knyght27 (talk) 09:33, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
- I suppose a sister article would work also if there's enough material to warrant it. My concern is that the line between fantasy and science fiction is often not clear at all--and the difference is often moot for the concerns of the article. I'm hoping the author of the edit will comment here and we can decide which method is the most appropriate.--Pariah (talk) 13:33, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
- I created the sister article and moved the Lois McMaster Bujold entry. More often than not the distinction is clear, as it is with this case. Knyght27 (talk) 07:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
EC's Weird Science and Weird Fantasy[edit]
EC comics published several stories that don't really fit into any of the categories but fit into the general concept of the list.
"Project...Survival" (Weird Fantasy #12) A space retelling of the Noah story.
"He Walked Among Us" (Weird Science #13) A spaceman on a four year expedition mission uses his high technology to help the locals (curing a boy with antibiotics, using dehydrated pills to turn water into milk and created food) and defies the local priests. His ship is destroyed by an asteroid resulting in all records being lost and 2,000 years later another ship finds out the spaceman was executed on a rack with it becoming their religious symbol and the spaceman the son of their god.
"The Reformers" (Weird Science #20) Three space men dressed in scifi versions of bishops land on planet to reform it of evil. There are greeted by a man named Peter and told they are not needed for there is no crime, no immorality, or any of the evils seen in other societies. They decide to create these evils themselves so that they can blame these evils on literature, clothing, and alcohol as they have done on previous worlds (including Earth). They contact their home base and we learn that their leader is the Devil and the planet they are on is Heaven.--BruceGrubb (talk) 16:20, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
I think this article would be more useful if it were merged into Religion in speculative fiction. Firstly, these articles have basically the same topic. Yes, there is a difference between 'science fiction' and 'speculative fiction', but it's a fairly subtle one and the former is usually considered a subset of the latter. Secondly, this list is, well, pretty incoherent and poorly organised, trying as it does to list every science fiction story that deals with the very broad concept of religion. This material might be better handled by being condensed into paragraphs and merged into an article, rather than being left as a crufty list of examples. Robofish (talk) 23:35, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
- How about the latter merged back into the former, from whence it was originally content forked? Jclemens (talk) 02:00, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
- The problem is that one is a list and the other is an article so it's not clear how to combine them. RJFJR (talk) 20:50, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
- Done It was easier to merge that article into this one for now. DoctorKubla (talk) 19:03, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
One story, Multiple Ideas[edit]
What about stories that deal in-depth with several religious ideas on this list, such as C. S. Lewis' Space Trilogy? Should they be listed under multiple headings or should a new section of "multiple themes" be created? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 06:16, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
The above post was from me by the way. (right before I had an account) PlatinumBeetle (talk) 18:05, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Since nobody has answered me I'm just going to put them in all relevant categories for now. PlatinumBeetle (talk) 16:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Why was the Angels section removed? We still have a Demons section so I don't see a consistent logic here. PlatinumBeetle (talk) 17:00, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Errors in story placement[edit]
I noticed that Out of the Silent Planet was listed under Messianism but I've read that series and don't see how it fits at all. If someone can explain why it belongs than okay but otherwise I think it should be removed from that section, especially since the space trilogy is already going to be in multiple sections (if it turns out works should only be under one section than this is definitely the wrong place for this book). Out of the Silent Planet and it's sequels are great books and make thoughtful theological points so we don't want them stuck in a section where they don't belong and we don't want them to take up the whole page either. So what should you do if you see a story in a section it doesn't fit in? Do you just fix it without asking? PlatinumBeetle (talk) 17:20, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
- Yep. Be bold! -- DoctorKubla (talk) 19:03, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Religion in speculative fiction was merged into this article, but I thought the suggestions on the talk page were worth preserving. Quite a few stories/authors that aren't already on the list. DoctorKubla (talk) 19:12, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
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