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Subj: Re: Lott circle roster
Date: 01/01/98
To: email@example.com,
In a message dated 97-12-31 18:38:12 EST, you write:
<< I've put several sets of Lott information gleaned from various Marion County court records on the net to you over the last couple of weeks. I wanted to know whether you received them.>>
Yes, I got them. We ought to put both of our sets together for a super time line.
<< I've only now determined (I think) how to send things to a group so in the future, I will post info to the whole group. I've more info I obtained today that will help in establishing a time line for the period 1807-1850 (when we have the first census).>>
What I've started doing is reply to a particular person such as this message and copy it to the circle. Does this seem to work ok?
>> Could you provide me a complete list of all those in the Lott circle. I have quite a few e-mail addresses and I don't know who they are. >>
Well some of these may be the wrong name with e-mail address, but I'll start paying more attention in the future.
Subj: Lott Chronicles Questions
Date: 98-01-02 15:12:02 EST
From: email@example.com (Joseph Lott)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com ('John Barron')
In your message below, you wrote:
<<I think the younger set are the ones who went to FL in the 1820s and Texas in the 1830s. Luke stayed in FL. By the way Arthur Moore and wife Mary {Lott?????] also left GA in 1776 and went to West FL and got land adj to John Lott on the Tombigbee.>>
1. Who were the parents of the Mary Lott that supposedly was the wife of Arthur Moore?
2. Which John Lott had land on the Tombigbee?
3. Which Luke Lott stayed in FL?
I'm just trying to figure out who all these people are and see if it makes sense with my research.
Subj: Re: Lott circle roster
Date: 98-01-02 19:07:16 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Dan Lott)
Reply-to: @datastar.net
To: email@example.com (JBarron933)
Thanks for the quick reply. Yes, you directing a message to one person and then cc the group is working well. I spent the day in the courthouse at Covington Co., MS perusing the Chancery Court records. Lots of fun but definitely eyestrain.
Subj: RE: Sarah Watkins, wife of Arthur Lott
Date: 98-01-03 09:21:53 EST
From: email@example.com (Joseph Lott)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com ('JBarron933')
OK, looks like the balance of evidence points towards her name being Clapp and away from Watkins. I'm making that change to my files, although I will leave the Watkins name as an alias. What tipped the scale was the Indian Affairs Rejection Letter of 1902 that refers to her as Sarah Ann Clapp. I'd still like to know if it is possible that she had both names - one a maiden name and the other from a previous marriage.
My files show that Sarah married her second husband, John Elias Warren, on June 28, 1816. He was born on December 18, 1752 in Craven Co, SC and died May 22, 1821 in Marion Co, MS. His first wife was Elizabeth Rebecca Perkins, daughter of Elizabeth Colson and Rees Perkins. They married on Jan 25, 1773 in Craven Co, SC. She was born on April 05, 1757 in Prince Frederick, Craven Co, SC and died July 22, 1811 in Sandy Hook, Marion Co, MS. They had Elizabeth Warren who married Sampson Edward Ball and Martha Jane Warren who married Willliam Milton Rankin.
Like you, I have no firm dates or locations for Sarah's birth or death or her marriage to Arthur Lott.
Subj: Re: Sarah, wife of Arthur Lott
Date: 01/02/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-01-03 09:21:53 EST, you write:
<< OK, looks like the balance of evidence points towards her name being Clapp and away from Watkins. I'm making that change to my files, although I will leave the Watkins name as an alias. What tipped the scale was the Indian Affairs Rejection Letter of 1902 that refers to her as Sarah Ann Clapp. I'd still like to know if it is possible that she had both names - one a maiden name and the other from a previous marriage.
My files show that Sarah married her second husband, John Elias Warren, on June 28, 1816. He was born on December 18, 1752 in Craven Co, SC and died May 22, 1821 in Marion Co, MS. His first wife was Elizabeth Rebecca Perkins, daughter of Elizabeth Colson and Rees Perkins. They married on Jan 25, 1773 in Craven Co, SC. She was born on April 05, 1757 in Prince Frederick, Craven Co, SC and died July 22, 1811 in Sandy Hook, Marion Co, MS. They had Elizabeth Warren who married Sampson Edward Ball and Martha Jane Warren who married Willliam Milton Rankin.
Like you, I have no firm dates or locations for Sarah's birth or death or her marriage to Arthur Lott.
I've had some correspondence with a descendant of John Warren and will try to find it and post it to the circle. I'd bet there is some probate records for Arthur Lott in Washington Co., now AL records somewhere. Dan Lott has found a bunch of court records showing John3 and sons doing jury duty 1807-10 there.
Subj: Re: Lott circle
Date: 01/03/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-01-03 21:50:49 EST, you write:
<< Tried to Email the circle a couple of days ago. Did you receive anything? >>
Hi Sue. It came through fine. I've been waiting to respond to your question, however. You need to add Dan Lott and Joe Lott to your list. They are good researchers and are also descended from Luke Lott of Marion Co. I think Luke is the father of your Absalom. If you could resend it to just them it would help.
Date: 98-01-06 13:04:38 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
I have just checked with the Latterday Saints (Mormon) Family History Center here in Baton Rouge, where I have had computer access, and was told that if the church itself had extracted the information, then it had, in fact, been verified. If the source could be pulled up on that screen as a person with an address, then the person contributing the info could have used own family Bibles, conversations with elders in family, etc. as well using verifiable census and other type records. It would just depend on who sent it. Therefore, for myself, I shall choose to keep using their schematics as far as who logically could have been the oldest ancestor in that line, who fit into the picture as far as place of birth was concerned, or who was fathered by, or was a spouse of the person in question. It could show siblings the best way, as well as confuse us with wrong children contributed to parents with similar names and spouses with similar names.
I am calling it at this point a guide. Sure, I will also choose to keep looking and asking for verification of all these entries that I am using. Hope that helps all who need clarification of what I have listed earlier.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 01/06/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-01-07 11:03:43 EST, you write:
<< I have just checked with the Latterday Saints (Mormon) Family History Center here in Baton Rouge, where I have had computer access, and was told that if the church itself had extracted the information, then it had, in fact, been verified. >>
Sandra, I must have missed something here and don't quite understand what you mean. But, if you mean that LDS has "verified" the Lott lineage, then that can be dismissed out of hand. Their records are no better than any others, and in many ways they have caused problems by influencing people to think that kinships are set in stone and finalized from the use of their "cealing" nomenclature. Serious genealogical research is a continuous process of collecting evidence and drawing logical conclusions which naturally change periodically as new evidence and inferences come to light. I believe that the persons in this Lott Circle group are on the cutting edge of Lott research and our debates will lay the groundwork for establishing kinships for the next few years.
We must always keep in mind, however, that this family seemed to constantly live on the edge of civilization where records were tenuous and often went missing. They didn't seem to place much stock in keeping track family records and we can find few wills and/or probate records for them that firmly establish kinships. We have to deal almost exclusively with indirect evidence and draw our own conclusions from it. I encourage everyone to be skeptical, think about it, demand to see the sources, and choose to accept or reject evidence on a point by point basis. Such action will only strengthen our end results.
Thanks, John
Date: 98-01-06 17:24:35 EST
From: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
RE: 12/5/97 you sent a 4 generation chart.
From what source did you get your children named Arthur Lott, belonging to both John Lott and also belonging to Arthur Lott, each very close to the other's birth date in 1790's?
Also where did you find John Lott b. c1792, m Elizabeth Lee, and same being a son of Arthur Lott (b.c1750-1812)?
OBTW: I definitely don't think I'll have room (or even RAM) yet for the Master Genealogist on my new "old" computer. Right now I'm trying to be cool and find a printer cable that works.
Subj: Re: Show me your Lott sources
Date: 01/06/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-01-06 17:24:35 EST, you write:
<< 12/5/97 you sent a 4 generation chart. From what source did you get your children named Arthur Lott, belonging to both John Lott and also belonging to Arthur Lott, each very close to the other's birth date in 1790's? Also where did you find John Lott b. c1792, m Elizabeth Lee, and same being a son of Arthur Lott (b.c1750-1812)? >>
Sandra, thanks for your response. Unfortunately there is no "source" for any of the above. The above are the results of conclusions drawn from studying all available evidence - the so-called preponderance of the evidence method. I tend to follow the conclusions of Lott researcher Sue Miklas of Colorado Springs, CO, who has made an effort to reconstruct the Mississippi Lott families using real evidence and not tradition. I'll try to get something together for you soon.
I submitted this chart as a starting place hoping to get feedback and challenges such as yours. For instance, who was the John Lott m. Elizabeth Lee? Was he in MS Terr in 1807 as the John witness to deed of gift of another John? Probably not as too young, but where did he go after 1820? Was he the John in Florida in 1830 and in Washington Co., TX? No, these things are not set in stone and what we think today can be disputed tomorrow.
Subj: Re: Show me your Lott sources
Date: 01/06/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-01-07 15:05:35 EST, you write:
<< I have a copy of the original marriage license for John Lott to marry Elizabeth Lee. Arthur Lott and John both signed the bond (dated 5 Mar 1818) for the marriage. This lead me to believe that this Arthur Lott was related to John but definitely was not the Arthur killed by Indians. Could this Arthur be the son of the Arthur that was killed? >>
That's what I think, Dan.
<< I have also been told that John and Elizabeth moved to Rankin County between 1820-1830. I haven't been able to get up to Rankin County to research this as of yet. >>
I haven't checked Rankin Co. either, but will look into it. It is interesting to me that the Lee family is associated with the John Lott of Washington Co., TX, in the 1840s. Also Dr. Arthur J. Lott, whom I think is a son of this John of Wash. Co., married a woman named M. Elizabeth _____ and owned property in Austin, TX, in the 1850s. She died about 1866 and her administrator was a Lee (Alexander, I think). Arthur eventually took over admin. of estate. There was a son named C. Billy Lott. I don't think they lived in the area, however, at the time. I think they were in Arkansas in the 1850 census and Louisiana in 1860.
Subj: Follow Question up to Deed Book Entry
Date: 98-01-07 21:03:35 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Joseph Lott)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com ('John Barron')
You sent the following last week:
<<November 29, 1752, John Lott of Duplin County, NC, sold to Solomon
Alston, Jr., of Edgecombe Co., NC, for 15 [pounds] Virginia currency 200 acres
on Contentnea Creek (patented by John Lott on April 25, 1745); witnessed by
James Turner, Jr. and John Alston. (from Deed Book 4, p 425).>>
Which John Lott do you think this refers to? John Lott b. abt 1700 or John Lott b. abt 1742?
Subj: Re: Follow Question up to Deed Book Entry
Date: 01/06/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-01-07 21:03:35 EST, you write:
<< You sent the following last week:
November 29, 1752, John Lott of Duplin County, NC, sold to Solomon Alston, Jr., of Edgecombe Co., NC, for 15 [pounds] Virginia currency 200 acres on Contentnea Creek (patented by John Lott on April 25, 1745); witnessed by James Turner, Jr. and John Alston. (from Deed Book 4, p 425).
Which John Lott do you think this refers to? John Lott b. abt 1700 or John Lott b. abt 1742? >>
Hi Joe,
John Lott obtained 300 acres of land on Contentnea Creek in 1745 and sold it 7 years later. On the same day he sold the above 200 acres to Alston, he sold the remaining 100 acres to Samuel Taylor. I call the early Johns John1 (c1700), John2 (c1720), and John3 (c1742). It couldn't have been John3 since he would have only been 10 years old. I don't think we have any way of knowing from this deed which of the adult Johns it was, however.
Subj: Re: Show me your Lott sources
Date: 98-01-07 15:05:35 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Dan Lott)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com (JBarron933)
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com (Sandra unk)
I have a copy of the original marriage license for John Lott to marry Elizabeth Lee. Arthur Lott and John both signed the bond (dated 5 Mar 1818) for the marriage. This lead me to believe that this Arthur Lott was related to John but definitely was not the Arthur killed by indians. Could this Arthur be the son of the Arthur that was killed?
I have also been told that John and Elizabeth moved to Rankin County between 1820-1830. I haven't been able to get up to Rankin County to research this as of yet.
Would you send me a copy of the 4 generation chart (Arthur Lott) that Sandra sent you. I can't find it in my e-mail messages.
Subj: 4 Generation Charts
Date: 98-01-07 15:59:40 EST
From: email@example.com
To: email@example.com
CC: email@example.com
My message to John was:
<Using the Latterday Saints' Family History Center's entries, these have been my findings. But, we still have the problem that there were a number of John Lotts living in England and other European countries, and even a number of John Lotts living in the colonies when our own "John Lott" was alive. Therefore, it's going to be a challenge:
1-----. John Lott - b. @1700-1720 Isle of Wight, VA
sp- Elizabeth "Bethany" Joyner b. @ 1700 "
2---.John Lott (Sr) b. @ 1720 Edgecombe, NC
sp-Bethany b. @1724 Edgecombe, NC
3----John Lott (Jr.) b. @ 1742 Duplin, NC
sp-Sarah (Sallie) b @ 1748 Duplin
4----Arthur (Killed by Indians) b. @1750 Burke, GA
sp-Sarah Ann Clapp b. @1768 Millisville, GA
5--Elizabeth b. 1773 Liberty, GA
5--William b. 1785
5--Arthur Lott (Jr.) b. 1788 GA
sp-Elizabeth Watts b. 1791 GA
5--Solomon b. 1790
5--Absalom b. 1800
5--Penelope b. 1803?
5- Patience b. 1807?
5--Abraham b. 1811
4----Mark b. 22 Jan 1769 Barnwell, Georgia, GA
4----Luke b.
3----Solomon Lott b. @1744 Duplin
3----Daniel Lott b. @ 1746 "
3----Nathan Lott b. @ 1748 }
3----Absalom Lott b. @ 1750 }
3----Wiliam Lott b. @ 1752 }
3----Mark b. 1754-1769 }
3----Pollie b. 1766? }
3----Jesse b. 1768? }
2----Absalom Lott b. @ 1722 Edgecombe, NC
I know some of these people were not even physically able to have had children in these years. I am just trying to put out there all that I have seen from the FHC's files on their computer. Hopefully, y'all can help weed some of the junk out and get more of the facts in.
He had also presented a 4-generation chart that I was questioning him lately about:
<The following is a 4-gen. Lott chart according to my current research
I. John Lott c1700-1778; m/1 Elizabeth Joyner; m/2 Emile
A. John Lott c1720-1805; m/1 Unknown; m/2 Bethany
1. John Lott c1742-1810; m Sarah "Sallie" Lightfoot?
a) John Lott c1764; m Elizabeth
b) Jesse Lott c1766
c) Mark Lott 1769; m Deliah Jones
d) Robert Lott c1775-1850; m Sarah Tyner
f) Arthur Lott c1780; m Deshultz
g) Elizabeth Lott c1790
2. Solomon Lott c1744-c1822; m. Ann
a) Celia Lott c1780-1855; m James McArthur
b) Amos Lott c1784
c) Stephen Lott c1782-1825; m. Rebecca Cottengame
d) Elisha Lott 1784-1860; m Sarah Bodie Whitehead
e) John Lott c1788; m Ann Everett
f) Ezekiel Lott 1789-1834; m Caroline
g) Elizabeth Lott c1791-b1853; m William Seal
h) Jacob Lott c1796; m Elizabeth Nichols
3. Arthur Lott c1750-1812; m Sarah Ann Clapp?
a) Simon Lott c1780
b) Arthur Lott c1788-1854; m Elizabeth Watts
c) John Lott c1792-b1850; m Elizabeth Lee
d) Nathan Lott c1794-b1850; m Martha Fulgham
e) Solomon Lott c1796-1848; m Martha Warren
f) William Lott c1798-b1850; m Rebecca Harris
g) Penelope Lott c1803-a1870; m John Watts
h) Patience Lott c1810-a1870; m William Watts
4. William Lott c1755
a) (Five daughters)
5. Absalom Lott c1758-1825; m Martha Jane
b) Frances Lucretia Lott c1784
c) Alfred Lott c1786
d) Johnnie Major Lott c1789-c1850
e) Abraham Lott c1792-a1850; m Zilpha Wiggins
f) Arthur Lott c1795-a1850
g) Phillip Lott c1798; m Mary Wiggins
h) Absalom Lott c1799-1874; m Sarah Watts
i) William Lott 1804-1863; m Mary Bryant
j) Nathan Lott c1800
6. Nathan Lott c1760-b1820
a) Nathan Lott c1785; m Dicey Watts
7. Polly Lott c1755; m William Hatten
B. Daniel Lott c1730
1. (Six children)
C. Mark Lott c1735
D. James Lott c1735-1780
E. Jesse Lott c1740-1780
1. Jesse
2. Emsley >
Maybe these will help.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-01-07 12:02:22 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com, email@example.com
I was not trying to imply that the church had extracted anything at all; for all I know, all their information is second-hand. I am only trying to make sure that what I posted was not taken by anyone as the truth.
Subj: Lotts
Date: 98-01-08 11:47:15 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com, email@example.com
CC: email@example.com
To: email@example.com
In reply to John Barron's of today and yours of yesterday:
Using the 1850 Smith County, TX Census records, compiled by the East Texas Genealogical Society:
LOTT, Arthur age 62 B. in GA
Elizabeth age 42 b. in GA
(same birth year as Elizabeth Watts Lott)
Elizabeth age 19 b. in MS
(my Elizabeth Lott McClung b. in MS 19 Oct 1832)
Adaline age 18 b. in MS
Rebecca age 5 b. in TX
Nancy A. age 5 mo. b. in TX
This Arthur Lott, son of Arthur Killed by the Indians Lott and whoever his wife was (Deschultz, Sarah Ann Clapp, ???) would have been in MS until at least 1832 since Adaline was born there. By 1833-1845 he would have moved to TX. He was born in 1788, in GA. So, doubtful he would have signed the marriage document of John and Elizabeth Lee Lott, unless he was visiting.
These Arthur and John Lotts would have had to have been born by @ 1799 or 1800 to be 18 when they signed. Being common names to the Lott family let's check some of Arthur Lott, b. 1788's, brother's kids.
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 01/07/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-01-08 11:47:15 EST, you write:
<< Using the 1850 Smith County, TX Census records, compiled by the East Texas Genealogical Society:
LOTT, Arthur age 62 B. in GA
Elizabeth age 42 b. in GA
(same birth year as Elizabeth Watts Lott)
Elizabeth age 19 b. in MS
(my Elizabeth Lott McClung b. in MS 19 Oct 1832)
Adaline age 18 b. in MS
AND [grandchildren]
Rebecca age 5 b. in TX
Nancy A. age 5 mo. b. in TX
This Arthur Lott, son of Arthur Killed by the Indians Lott and whoever his wife was (Deschultz, Sarah Ann Clapp, ???) would have been in MS until at least 1832 since Adaline was born there. By 1833-1845 he would have moved to TX. He was born in 1788, in GA. So, doubtful he would have signed the marriage document of John and Elizabeth Lee Lott, unless he was visiting.
These Arthur and John Lotts would have had to have been born by @ 1799 or 1800 to be 18 when they signed. Being common names to the Lott family let's check some of Arthur Lott, b. 1788's, brother's kids.
Sandra, now we're cookin' with real data and debate. However, I respectfully disagree that "our" Arthur Lott (c1788GA) was not the Arthur that witnessed the marriage of John Lott to Elizabeth Lee in 1818 in Marion Co., MS. I think he was because he lived in Marion Co. until at least 1827 (see below deed from father-in-law) and was, I think, a brother of this John. There was another grown Arthur there in Marion Co., however, and it's hard to discriminate between them.
[From E. Russ Williams's "Abstracts of Deeds of Marion County, Mississippi," p 37.] Thomas Watts, Senr. of Covington Co., because of moving and for natural love and affection toward Arthur Lott of Marion - a negro man Stepney, 37 years of age. 17 Oct 1827. Wit: Reuben Watts, Sr. and Jesse Lott, Jr.
Date: 98-01-09 22:31:00 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (sumik)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Finally, have new computer up and running. How do i find "Lott circle"?
Sue Miklas
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 01/09/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-01-09 22:31:00 EST, you write:
<< Finally, have new computer up and running. How do i find "Lott circle"?Sue Miklas >>
Absolutely fabulous. You're signed up. Just sit back and watch the fur fly and jump in when you see an opening. We need your help.
Subj: Marriage states
Date: 98-01-09 08:54:34 EST
From: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
What I did not know was the state in which John and Elizabeth Lee Lott got married in. If in MS, then yes, Arthur Lott Jr. who's 62 in1850 in TX is probably our person. I had assumed we were talking about a marriage taking place in TX.
Dan, can you let me know which state? I was also clueless of what state Rankin County is in.
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 01/10/98
To: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
My colleague, Donaly Brice, and I have indexed the 1867 Voter Registration file for Texas. There are over 148,000 names in the file and it is now in a searchable data base until we work out the details of publishing it in book form. The Voter Registration list was a result of a Reconstruction law which required that men in the former Confederate States register with the military authorities in order to regain their right to vote. All the southern state originally had these, but to my knowledge only Georgia and North Carolina have published theirs. Many ex-confederates, of course, would not sign.
So, naturally, presented with a new set of data, I extracted all the Lotts in the file and looked then up on the microfilm. The total entry for a man contains the following data: date; name; registration number; residence; precinct; amount of time lived in state, county, and precinct; state of birth; naturalization data for non-native born; and misc. comments. Below are the Lott entries (* indicates free man of color).
Name County No. Date Residence/Prect St Co Pr Born
Robert Lott* Anderson 2041 26 Nov 1869 Anderson Co - 2 2 2 Miss
Jesse Lott Atascosa 51 10 Jul 1867 Atascosa Co 1 35 12 12 Miss
Samuel Lott* Austin 103 10 Jul 1867 Travis - 14 13 - Virginia
Edward Lott* Austin 1817 27 Jan 1868 Bellville - 15 15 - Miss
Manuel Lott* Austin 2361 22 Nov 1869 Pine Grove - 30 30 - NC
Absalom Lott, Jr. Bosque 190 13 Aug 1867 Bosque Co 2 20 2 2 -
Absalom Lott, Sr. Bosque 211 16 Aug 1867 Bosque Co 2 35 8 8 -
Spencer Lott* Bowie 146 18 Jul 1867 Bowie Co 1 20 20 20 Alabama
John Lott* Bowie 682 28 Aug 1867 Bowie Co 1 20 20 20 Virginia
Sam Lott* Brazos 1401 18 Nov 1869 Bryan 1 22 5 - -
Henry Lott* Brazos 1523 20 Nov 1869 Bryan 1 30 1 - -
Monroe Lott* Colorado 147 12 Jul 1867 Columbus - 15 1 1 Alabama
David Lote Dallas 951 31 Aug 1867 Dallas Co 9 13 13 13 New York
Jas T Lott Falls 1094 27 Aug 1867 Falls Co - - - - -
J T Lott Freestone 1049 17 Aug 1867 Freestone Co 8 7 7 4 SC
Jas T Lott Freestone 1664 25 Nov 1869 Freestone Co 3 16 16 - Miss
William Lott Galveston 1839 18 Jan 1868 Galveston Co 2 19 19 19 Prussia
Daniel Lott* Galveston 2102 18 Nov 1869 Galveston 2 1 1 1 -
Harry Lott* Goliad 6 15 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 20 20 20 -
Jack Lott* Goliad 61 17 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 18 18 18 -
Wilson Lott* Goliad 65 17 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 20 20 20 -
Monday Lott* Goliad 79 17 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 20 20 20 -
Thomas Lott* Goliad 161 20 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 21 21 21 -
Archa Lott* Goliad 162 20 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 21 21 21 -
Stepney Lott* Goliad 163 20 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 21 21 21 -
Battice Lott* Goliad 191 20 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 20 20 20 -
Robert R R Lott Goliad 237 22 Jul 1867 Goliad Co 1 26 26 26 -
Henry Lott* Goliad 503 18 Nov 1869 Goliad Co 1 21 21 21 -
Charles Lott* Goliad 508 15 Nov 1869 Goliad Co 1 21 21 21 -
B F Lott Gonzales 1161 7 Aug 1867 Rancho Box 8 7 7 - -
William Lott Gonzales 1629 22 Nov 1869 Gonzales 4 - - - -
Dartis Lott* Hays 71 11 Jul 1867 Hays Co 1 - - - Miss
Harper Lott* Hays 266 22 Jul 1867 Hays Co 2 - - - Miss
Hardy Lott* Harrison 459 1 Jul 1867 Harrison Co 5 21 21 21 Miss
Wm Lott* Harrison 858 9 Jul 1867 Harrison Co 5 21 21 21 Texas
Spencer Lott* Harrison 2302 6 Aug 1867 Marshall 5 6 1 1 Tenn
Henry Lott* Limestone 894 16 Nov 1869 Limestone Co 2 23 3 1 Texas
M B Lott Milam 659 17 Jul 1867 Milam Co 1 25 1 1 Texas
James Lott* Milam 865 7 Aug 1867 Milam Co 1 15 12 12 Alabama
N E Lott Navarro 27 15 Jul 1867 Corsicana 1 10 10 10 -
Uriah Lott Nueces 4 18 Jun 1867 Nueces Co 1 2 - - New York
Calvin Lott Polk 1140 14 Sep 1867 Livingston 1 - - - Miss
S F Lott Robertson 1294 31 Aug 1867 Robertson Co 4 30 5 5 Texas
S Lott Smith 1177 20 Jul 1867 Smith Co 4 - - - Miss
Dick Lott* Smith 1237 20 Jul 1867 Smith Co - - - - Virginia
Bob Lott* Smith 1346 23 Jul 1867 Smith Co - - - - Texas
Morton Lott* Travis 258 3 Jul 1867 Travis Co 1 15 - - Louisiana
Renta Lott* Travis 1349 10 Aug 1867 Travis Co 1 25 - - Florida
Frank Lott* Victoria 852 26 Nov 1869 Victoria Co 2 - - - -
Frank Lott* Washington 187 14 Jun 1867 Brenham 4 7 7 7 -
Preston Lott* Washington 710 24 Jun 1867 Brenham 4 7 2 2 -
Alfred Lott* Washington 2147 9 Jul 1867 Washington - 6 6 - -
Jesse B Lott Washington 2331 22 Ju1 1867 Washington - 24 24 - -
W R Lott Washington 2337 22 Ju1 1867 Washington - 22 22 - -
J R Lott Washington 2349 23 Ju1 1867 Washington - 8 8 - -
Wash Lott* Washington 2444 25 Ju1 1867 Independence - 21 21 - -
Henry Lott* Washington 2506 24 Ju1 1867 Independence - 32 32 - -
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-01-11 23:27:08 EST
From: McClendon
To: JBarron933
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-01-11 23:11:25 EST, you write:
<< I have formed an on-line research group for Lott researchers. Would you like to be included?
John Barron, Austin, TX >>
Hi John,
Yes, I would. My cousin once removed or so, Dan LOTT, may be interested also, so I'll CC: him. I hadn't heard back from him in months and don't know if he still has access to his e-mail account.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 01/12/98
To: McClendon
Pat, you're on. Dan Lott was my first "sign-up" and has been a loyal correspondent when he could. I love your web site and would like to do one for the Lott family. I tried to do one on AOL and Family Tree Maker's site, but they are of limited use.
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 01/12/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
Have added the following members to our group:
email@example.com ('Ginger Cisewski, FL'),
email@example.com ('Susan Douthit, Merced, CA'),
email@example.com ('Pat McClendon, Louisville, KY')
Subj: Lots of Censuses
Date: 98-01-12 17:48:01 EST
From: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a recent message Dan wrote:
<< I have a copy of the original marriage license for John Lott to marry Elizabeth Lee. Arthur Lott and John both signed the bond (dated 5 Mar 1818) for the marriage. This lead me to believe that this Arthur Lott was related to John but definitely was not the Arthur killed by indians. Could this Arthur be the son of the Arthur that was killed? >>
and John answered:
That's what I think, Dan.
<< I have also been told that John and Elizabeth moved to Rankin County between 1820-1830. I haven't been able to get up to Rankin County to research this as of yet. >>
Being still puzzled about how to identify the John and Arthur who both signed the document, I looked for all the census indexes that I could Friday before the library closed. I do not yet have the results of a search of the actual microfilmed censuses, but can post for you the 1820, 1820, 1840, and 1850 index records I got from GA, MS and TX.:
GEORGIA 1820 CENSUS page 91:
Only LOTT, ARTHUR Jefferson Co. (was Burke Co.)
" , DELILAH Montgomery Co.
ELLIS Lincoln
JESSE Columbia
MARK Lincoln
and LOTT, ROBERT Hancock Co. are now left in GA.
MISSISSIPPI 1820 INDEX TO CENSUS Page 66
Males in Family by Columns
a= under 10 years
b=10 to 16 years
c=16 to 26
d=26 to 45
e=over 45 years of age
Females in Family by columns
f=under 10 years
g=10 to 16
h=16 to 26
I=26 to 45
j=over 45 years
LOTT, ARRAM Covington County 000010-20100 0 P.17
I'll have to send more later. Let me know if you don't understand what I'm doing because of messed up fonts, or whatever. I know it will probably be several decades of censuses later before I can see families actually listed with names in them.
Was TEXAS the state, where the Lott families who went from VA to NC (possibly to SC , possibly back to NC) to GA to MS and then to TX, ended up? I know some settled in LA, too. Anyone know any reasons why they did not go on moving westward? Were they stopped by the Civil War? Why didn't they join the Gold Rush to CA?
Subj: Re: Lots of Censuses
Date: 01/12/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-01-12 17:48:01 EST, you write:
<< Was TEXAS the state, where the Lott families who went from VA to NC (possibly to SC , possibly back to NC) to GA to MS and then to TX, ended up? I know some settled in LA, too. Anyone know any reasons why they did not go on moving westward? Were they stopped by the Civil War? Why didn't they join the Gold Rush to CA? >>
Sandra, thanks for the census data. It's been done, but it helps for each researcher to check it themselves and see the relationships. And many are not in a position to check census records. As far as the migrations are concerned, I think they went every direction from MS including CA. I have found Lotts from southern states in CA 1850 censuses, but for the most part it was settled by mid-westerners.
Subj: Re: Lots of Censuses
Date: 98-01-12 22:10:37 EST
From: email@example.com (Suzanne Cain)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: email@example.com (JBarron933)
Sandra, I can only speak for Absalom Lott, Sr. and Jr. and their allied families. The 1849 Gold Rush happened when most Texas Lott families were busy blocking up land by any means possible. My records reflect a land speculating bunch!
The Civil War and Reconstruction brought most economy ventures to a near stand still. Cold hard cash was not available and barter was the name of the game. My Lotts had land, and one stays with what one has to keep the wolf from the door. Just my general opinion. Sue C.
Date: 98-01-12 19:01:04 EST
From: email@example.com (sumik)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com (John barron)
John, sorry for the duplicate letter to you. I just discovered all the material you have sent me. Thank you and I will be in touch.
Sue M.
Subj: Indian Question
Date: 01/13/98
To: email@example.com
Sue, I sent the following message, quoting from a letter, concerning Lott Indian relationships over the Lott Circle a while back. Do you more or less agree with it?
The Lott family is an entirely different story, however. For the past year I have worked on little else but them and I would love to see what you have collected from your sources. I will send you what I have for them at a later date, but essentially no factual information was passed down in the generations. This is strange because they were a highly successful family. John Lott "gentleman" who came to North Carolina from Virginia was born before 1700 and was, perhaps, the immigrant. His grandsons were members of the Georgia Assembly (legislature) and one of them was our apparent ancestor Arthur Lott (killed by the Indians in 1812). Most of John's sons and grandsons were large landowners and slave holders.
In spite of the above, legends of Indian ancestry abound in the family including yours about "Chief Lott." I hadn't heard of him before! They are too widespread to be groundless, but common sense will alert any Southerner who knows firsthand the history of racial relations to be highly skeptical. For instance in colonial Virginia, it was a crime punishable by indentured servitude for a white woman to have a baby of mixed Indian or black blood. Writers from the period always refer to persons of mixed Indian blood in the most contemptible of terms and of the Indians even worse. I don't think that a rich and prominent man, such as Arthur Lott, could have openly taken up with an Indian woman and still retained his place in the community and no preacher would have let them in the church much less married them.
I have, of course, changed my opinion about all of this since my 1984 chart depicting the Cherokee woman, Deshultz, as the "wife" of Arthur Lott. So [getting down from his soap box] what are we to make of these Indian legends? I think they stem from two sources: 1) a family scandal and 2) free land in the Oklahoma Territory about 1900 to descendants of Indian blood.
The scandal probably had to do with the Arthur Lott [there seemed to be a million of them] who lived in Melba, MS, in the early to mid 1800's. I believe him to be a man who, as we would say today, went off the deep end and began "living in sin" with an Indian woman. See the attachment on him sent to me by Sue Miklas who is a very good Lott researcher. Since in most cases the Lotts were dark complected with black hair (see photo of E.E. Lott), people suspected they had Indian blood anyway. The "kicker", however, was the prevalence of blue eyes; no Indian ever had blue eyes. Do you have pictures of Beulah Jane McClung? As you can see, Sarah Eugenia McClung had the characteristic dark hair and "Indian" features. I don't know about her eye color, however.
To complete my premise, were two instances of testimony intended to be presented to the Dowe's Commission which was in charge of distributing public land in the Oklahoma Territory. Sarah Ann Clapp, widow of Arthur Lott killed by the Indians, was purported to be 1/2 Indian in an affidavit by a Mr. Johnson in Marion Co., MS, about 1900. He was an old man and friend of the family and I feel it was merely the self-serving act of trying to help get them free land from the government. The claim was rejected.
Closer to home was the claim of Elbert Watts starting about 1890. He was the brother of Elizabeth Watts who was the wife of Arthur Lott of Smith Co., TX. The two attached copies of documents from Mason Co., TX, show the nebulous, self-serving nature of his claim to Indian ancestry. I don't mean to imply that he was dishonest because he seemed to be a respected man, I'm sure he truly believed this tale. He may have simply been down on his luck as after 1900 he was indigent as witnessed by his obtaining a Civil War pension from the state of Texas.
Elbert Watts was clearly responsible for the infamous document known as the "Affidavit of John A. Lott" (see attached copy) which as been quoted and requoted by Lott researchers for many years. I think he sent it to his cousin, John A. Lott, in hopes that he would offer support to his claim of Indian ancestry. This John was a grandson of Arthur and was the county treasurer of Smith Co. at the turn of the century. Being a lawyer (or at least associated with them), he apparently knew better than to sign this hearsay document. Everything purported in the document would have had to occur before he was born. It lies currently in the probate packet of Elbert Watts in Smith Co. still unsigned, unwitnessed, and undated.
To sum it up, I feel that the "Indian Connection" is a romantic myth not supported by facts. All of the source documents that I have seen which claim to support it are not contemporary with the events making them legal hearsay. That doesn't mean, however, that evidence does not exist and I challenge you to keep looking and see if you can find that elusive red skin from our past.
Subj: our system
Date: 98-01-15 23:24:06 EST
From: email@example.com (Juliana Wiegert)
To: email@example.com
Hello - Just a quick note to tell you I will be off the internet for a while...computer problems...it's creating "virtual drives" all on its own, every other day! Sometimes they are there and when they are (many of them), all the files loose their paths. I did send you the copies of the old letters. I will let you know as soon as I am back on. If I did not give you my mailing address, it's on the envelope when you get it. By the way, when I read over what I could of the file I got from you, I noticed that in one place, Sarah Ann Clapp was referred to as Des...something, a CHOCTAW, and in two other places, she's referred to as CHEROKEE. Which one do you think she may be, if she even is at all? I hope she proves to be one or the other because it makes it all the more interesting. I will work on my troublesome DENTON line I told you about a few more months before I turn it over to you. Thanks for everything....talk to you in a while. Julie Wiegert
Subj: Descendants of John Lott
Date: 01/15/98
To: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
I have uploaded a modified register report starting with John Lott (c1700) to my Family Tree Maker web site at the following url:
Please check it out and give me your comments. It is by no means complete, but should be a starting point for debate. I would be particularly interested in primary and secondard sources that you know of that are not included.
It was created with FTM by importing via gedcom from my main genealogy data base created with The Master Genealogist. The gedcom translation between the two systems is far from perfect, however, and stems mostly from the limited number of standard events supported by FTM. Particularly disturbing is the loss of dates, locations, and sources for "residence" events. Perhaps I caused this problem in some way and I would be happy if you FTM experts could give me some pointers about using this system.
Subj: Re: Indian Question
Date: 98-01-16 17:43:02 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (sumik)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: email@example.com (JBarron933)
Indian Question
I'm familiar with your views of the "Indian Question." I'm not actively searching for proof these days, but haven"t entirely given up. Maybe they m Indian women in Carolina and GA to get a share of Indian Lands. Surely, you will be pleased to know that there are some descendants of not my line that believe Absalom"s wife, Martha "Patsy" was Princess Patsy Lightfoot of the Cherokees. I"ve already researched it and so far found no proof. No more about this subject until I have something concrete, OK? ---Sue M
Subj: RE: Descendants of John Lott
Date: 98-01-18 22:33:00 EST
From: email@example.com (Gerald R Gallagher)
To: email@example.com
Dear John;
Thank you for posting your information on the FTM bulletin board. I think that this will be very helpful in locating additional information and I plan to compare your information to mine to see if I can add any additional references. I did notice that you had listed the children of John Lott of Harrison County by initials as was done in the 1850 census. One of the children, R. H . Lott, can be identified as Robert H. Lott based on a report in the Texas Republican, Marshall, Texas, May 29, 1858 which reported the death of Robert H. Lott, son of John Lott, about 25 years of age, on the 14th instant.
Gerald Gallagher
Subj: Re: Descendants of John Lott
Date: 01/18/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-01-18 22:33:00 EST, you write:
<< One of the children, R. H . Lott, can be identified as Robert H. Lott based on a report in the Texas Republican, Marshall, Texas, May 29, 1858 >>
Thanks, Gerald, I'll make that change.
Subj: Re: Lott Data
Date: 01/23/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-01-22 14:45:03 EST, you write:
<< I received some family group sheets from Joseph Lott who is in the Lott circle. There were some differences. I have lost track of where a woman named Bethany goes, with Arthur Lott or one of the John Lotts. Please send me this file again as an attachment and I will have a more learned person come help me before I remove it and mess it up again. >>
Julie, the early Lott relationships are so murky that no one really knows who belongs to whom. I have tried to throw it all out and start over using evidence and not tradition and speculation. Joseph Lott is a good researcher and is open minded and recognizes the above problems. Bethany Lott has been claimed to be the mother of the children of John Lott (b c1720), but I have gathered evidence that shows that she was a 2nd wife of this John. Some researchers do not accept this and cling to the old information. I am attaching a register report starting with John Lott (b c1700) which is the same as on my web site which you can see by clicking on the following.
Family Tree Maker's Genealogy Site: User Home...
The report contains about 100 pages and is an ASCII/DOS file which you can work with using most any word processor including Windows WordPad.
Subj: Arthur Lott
Date: 98-01-25 15:36:18 EST
From: Lucbick
To: JBarron933
I am working on Solomon Lott married to Martha Warren, Thomas W. Lott married to Mary Elizabeth Magee, and Florence Lott married to Henry Edward Tyner (my grandparents).
Subj: Re: Arthur Lott
Date: 01/25/98
To: Lucbick
In a message dated 98-01-25 15:36:18 EST, you write:
<< I am working on Solomon Lott married to Martha Warren, Thomas W. Lott married to Mary Elizabeth Magee, and Florence Lott married to Henry Edward Tyner (my grandparents). >>
Thanks for the message. I'll put you on our Lott Circle mailing list. Not sure if we have any of Solomon's descendants as yet, but we're growing. Would you give us your name and city.
John Barron
Subj: Re: Lott Web Site
Date: 01/26/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-01-26 18:15:36 EST, you write:
<< I have found your web site of John Lott Descendents. I am working on it. My Lott data from Roots III isn't on the new computer yet, but soon I hope. I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I'm looking through my original box of material. >>
Sue, the reports in that site were generated using Family Tree Maker and a gedcom file that I imported from my main program, The Master Genealogist. The gedcom translation was not a good one. I am working on another web site on AOL which I hope to be able to upload without the intermediate step and also to allow the upload/download of files.
Subj: RE: Arthur Lott
Date: 98-01-26 13:02:15 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Gerald R Gallagher)
To: email@example.com ('JBarron933'), firstname.lastname@example.com (firstname.lastname@example.com)
In records extracted in Marion County Mississippi, I found the following Information:
Solomon Lott married Martha Warren January 6, 1823
Solomon Lott died September 15, 1848
Martha Warren's father was Elias Warren
Subj: Re: SOLOMON LOTT
Date: 01/26/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-01-26 22:30:37 EST, you write:
<< MY INFO SHOWS SOLOMON b. 1790 GA. m. MARTHA WARREN b.1806 TO BE SON OF ARTHUR (KILLED BY INDIANS) LOTT CHILDREN: SARAH ANN b. 10 APR. 1825/ NATHAN ARTHUR b.17 DEC. 1837 SIMON (NO DATES) THOMAS (NO DATES) THEN I HAVE THOMAS LOTT b.1844 m. ELIZABETH b.1846 WITH CHILDREN JESSE------FLORENCE----SIMON-----REBECCA
I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO TIE THESE TWO THOMAS LOTTS TOGETHER IF YOU HAVE MORE ON THESE PLEASE LET ME KNOW THANK'S A LOTT firstname.lastname@example.com
Thanks, Gary, will run them around the circle.
John Barron
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 01/27/98
To: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
Click on the following to view my new AOL web page. In it you will find a link to a file containing abstracts of Lott/Watts entries in Cemeteries of Covington Co., MS.
World Wide Web
Let me know what you think of this and what sort of Lott data you would like to see on this page. Although I've worked with computers for over 30 years, I'm just a rookie when it comes to this web page business.
Subj: Re: Home page
Date: 01/27/98
To: Lucbick
In a message dated 98-01-27 18:09:33 EST, you write:
<< My Solomon Lott date of birth is 1795 in GA and he died 15 Sep 1898. He is buried in the Solomon Lott Cemetery in Marion County, MS. I have not been to this cemetery He married Martha Warren 4 Jan 1823. There was a question if John or Arthur Lott was Solomon's father.
Lucy Bickham >>
Lucy, it was Arthur. I have uploaded two important pieces of evidence furnished by Sue Miklas to my web pages which sheds light on this relationship. See the affidavit and letter from Marion Co. I think that you should take the Indian claim with a pinch of salt (or maybe baloney), but there shouldn't be much too dispute about the family relationships.
Subj: Re: Home page
Date: 01/27/98
To: Lucbick
In a message dated 98-01-27 22:38:02 EST, you write:
<< Thank you for the John and Arthur Lott info. I have the info on the children for Thomas W. Lott and Florence Lott. >>
If you will send me a family group sheet, I will send it out to the circle.
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 02/01/98
To: email@example.com, email@example.com
In addition to a modified register descendant chart for John Lott, I have also included the corresponding gedcom file to my home page. You can download either one as a text file by using the "Save As" feature of your browser. You should give the gedcom file the extension .ged if you do so. The home page can be reached by the following:
The descendant chart contains source documentation for the dates and locations of essentially every event. Such documentation may be from primary sources, secondary sources, or my own/others' speculation. If it is speculation then it is identified as such. This is the type of investigation needed to begin pulling evidence together and coming to logical conclusions. It doesn't mean that it is complete, indisputable, or even correct; therefore, it is subject to change at any time when better evidence surfaces.
Those of you who see differences in these and your own linkages and conclusions should examine the underlying evidence that lead you to come to those conclusions. If either no sources were given or you can't get back to them, then you should look at it with skepticism. I would be delighted to change any of my conclusions if you can present me with documentation and/or convincing arguments. When changes and additions are sent to me, I will post a new chart and gedcom on the page.
Let me hear from all of you.
John Barron
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 02/01/98
To: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
There are two Lott men in Tattnall Co., GA, that I can't seem come up with an acceptable proposed linkage: Simon and Ephraim. I had assigned Simon to the Arthur (killed by the Indians) family, but he seems a little too old. Since they were on the 1802 tax roll (if I remember right) then they had to be born by 1781. Simon's age can also be estimated by the 1820 census of Marion Co., MS, as 26-45. Could they be children of Daniel Lott who was dead by 1784 and known to have at least one son who was born by 1764?
Any ideas?
Subj: Texas Lott info
Date: 98-02-01 22:54:02 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Suzanne Cain)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: email@example.com
Anyone who will offer doc info without charge or book copy is great in my book! BUT, I would like to see a minor info exchange for us TX bound souls.
It appears most of the Circle are light years ahead of me in generation research. I'm still muddling around here and would like to straighten out the relationships of some of the odd Lott names 1830-1900 in TX. We also have a group that came to TX from up North. Whatcha think? Is there
enough interest to justify that? Sue C.
Subj: Re: Texas Lott info
Date: 02/01/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-01 22:54:02 EST, you write:
<< I'm still muddling around here and would like to straighten out the relationships of some of the odd Lott names 1830-1900 in TX. We also have a group that came to TX from up North. Whatcha think? Is there enough interest to justify that? >>
I think any and all research is welcome. The cemetery info you sent on Absalom and Canzada was fantastic and is included in the John Lott descendant chart on my web page.
Subj: RE: Home page
Date: 98-02-01 19:00:25 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Gerald R Gallagher)
To: email@example.com ('email@example.com'), email@example.com (firstname.lastname@example.com)
Dear John;
I went to your home page and was very pleased to find the two files you have made available there. I tried to print the John Lott text file directly from the web page but for some reason the left margin is very wide and some of the text gets cut off on the right hand side. Since this is a large document, I used print preview to see how it would look before I tried to print it and avoided actually printing any of the pages.
Instead, I used the Save As function as you have suggested in your message and downloaded the text to my floppy disk. Then I opened the file with my word processor (Works) and was able to set the margins to print the complete document.
This text is very helpful because of the fact that the references are included. I want to compare your information to mine and I will let you know if I can supplement you in any way.
Gerald Gallagher
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 02/02/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
I have uploaded to my web page transcriptions of the affidavits of Elbert Watts and others in support of his grandson's claim to be admitted to the Cherokee Nation in 1896. As I have said before, such claims as these should be viewed with extreme caution as they depict events that occurred prior to the birth of the persons swearing to the affidavits. Please give me your comments on the documents.
The web page can be seen at the following:
John Barron
Subj: Melba, Jeff Davis County, Mississippi
Date: 98-02-02 17:15:43 EST
From: email@example.com (sumik)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com (John Barron)
Hi John
You will be glad to get this from me.
Note ,, that in the body of the WPA Melba article, it says that the town of Melba was established about 1863. Jeff-Davis County was taken from a part of Covington County.
Thus, it seems to me that no one had to move far, if at all ,to get there. "Old Art" just claimed the land first or maybe was already on it.
Let me also add, that at last, I am ready to agree that John A. Lott, County Clerk, Smith Co, Tx, was probably just wanting to do a favor for a friendly cousin and then thought better of it. I don't think there was ever a Deshultz, although a similar name pops up in the recesses of Lott history. The WPA workers needed to be busy and it was a good story.
The Arthur Lott you mentioned in Leake County was the son of Soloman and Ann, bro of Rev Elisha, and probably father of Soloman J. He was living in the home of his daughter, Amelia Lott Morgan.
There is a Lott descendent who claims there is a Choctaw Registry in Mississippi with some Lotts entered on it. I'll be checking on it.
You are doing a great job. Sue M.
Subj: Re: Melba, Jeff Davis County, Mississippi
Date: 02/02/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-02 17:15:43 EST, you write:
<< You are doing a great job. >>
Thanks, Sue, that means a lot to me coming from you.
Subj: Re: Melba, Jeff Davis County, Mississippi
Date: 02/02/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-02 17:15:43 EST, you write:
<< Note ,, that in the body of the WPA Melba article, it says that the town of Melba was established about 1863. Jeff-Davis County was taken from a part of Covington County. Thus, it seems to me that no one had to move far, if at all, to get there. "Old Art" just claimed the land first or maybe was already on it.
Let me also add, that at last, I am ready to agree that John A. Lott, County Clerk, Smith Co, Tx, was probably just wanting to do a favor for a friendly cousin and then thought better of it. I don't think there was ever a Deshultz, although a similar name pops up in the recesses of Lott history. The WPA workers needed to be busy and it was a good story.
The Arthur Lott you mentioned in Leake County was the son of Soloman and Ann, bro of Rev Elisha, and probably father of Soloman J. He was living in the home of his daughter, Amelia Lott Morgan.
There is a Lott descendent who claims there is a Choctaw Registry in Mississippi with some Lotts entered on it. I'll be checking on it.
Yes, you're right about the Arthur in 1850 Leake Co. I just rechecked Hilton & Gloria Lott's manuscripts and they show that too. Don't know where the Arthur that went to Melba was in 1850. There's just too dad gum many of them.
There's also an Arthur in Texas in 1836 that I can't find hide nor hair of. He wasn't the Dr. Arthur J. Lott who was in Austin, TX, in the 1850's as some have reported, but an older one. Dr. Arthur was probably a son of the John in Washington Co., TX, in 1836 and was born about 1825. He is in Louisiana in 1860.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 02/07/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-07 20:38:08 EST, you write:
<< I called Trent Lotts office again and found that he has few family members (no siblings and aunts and uncles--at least none living). I could not find the "Carroll County Kin" book in our library containing about three generations of his line.
I will call Bill Lehmann on Sunday and get back with you.
Thanks, Lloyd. Welcome back to the Lott Circle. We've been in sort of a holding pattern lately, but I've been working on the John Lott who came to Washington Co., TX 1836. I'd like to find out what happened to his widow and family after 1850. He died by 1848, not 1852 as Bill Lehmann said in his book. I suspect that they moved to Louisiana, but wasn't able to verify that today due to so much traffic on the microfilm readers.
John Barron
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 02/08/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-08 00:18:20 EST, you write:
<< >>>>>>>>>>> I have a copy of a Lott family history written by Kathleen Corley Mason about the Lotts in Carroll Co. MS, that includes Trent Lott. I am a descendant of the Aaron Lott line in Carroll Co., MS. Trent Lott is a descendant of one of Aaron's sons. I descend from a different son of Aaron. Mine line is through Aaron, Jr. I did not see the prior e-mail about the Lotts in Carroll Co. I am VERY interested.
Dot, Lloyd Lott sent me that message. His e-mail is at the following:
email@example.com ('Lloyd Lott, Austin, TX)
You should add him to your list of members as he has a new e-mail address. Maybe he can add some additional comments about his research on the Carroll Co. folks.
Subj: LOTT
Date: 98-02-08 21:17:30 EST
From: DMorgen3
To: JBarron933
My name is Denise Davis.
I am looking for information on Elizabeth LOTT who married Thomas WATTS. Thomas was born 1769 in NC and died in Perry Co., MS.
Can you help?
Thanks, Denise
Subj: Indian Document
Date: 98-02-10 17:33:17 EST
From: email@example.com (sumik)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: email@example.com (John Barron)
Several people sent much Lott material about 10 years ago. I don't know where Choctaw doc came from. Suggest your friend write Director, BIA, Dep't. of Interior, Washington, D.C. for location of material desired. The 1960 census of Indian Territory has been published. I saw it two days ago in my pub lib. The Ft Worth Library has one of the best collections of Indian Records in the Country.
Good luck. Sue M.
Subj: Re: Lott Ancestry
Date: 02/13/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-02-13 14:34:46 EST, you write:
<< Hi, I just found the descendants of John Lott under surnames, and copied it. Thanks so much for putting it on the internet. My grandmother Viola McGee Parker Lott was the daughter of James L. Lott and Elizabeth McGee Parker Lott. My family lived in Austonio, Houston Co. Texas, where my father Josie Vernon Cheairs was born. I hve been trying to research James L. Lott and Elizabeth for a long time now. I believe he was the son of Littleberry Lott(or Littlebury), who was from Ala. James L. Lott was born in Clarke Co., Miss, about 1843 if my sources are right, and if Littleberry was indeed his father. There are several James Lotts. L.B. Lott was born in GA. in 1808, he had a son named James Lott, born in MS. in 1841.Also, a Jesse1 Lott was born in Georgia in 1806, he married Ann E., he had a son named James L. Lott, born in 1833 in Miss. Another source says Jesse Lott was the father of James D. Lott b.1837 in Hinds Co. MS.(from Lott Lineages) There is a reference to Littlebury in the IGI from MS from the 1850 census of Clarke Co. I am trying to figure out which Lott was the father of my gg grandfather James L. Lott, I noticed something about a James N. Lott, that lived in Clarke Co. Miss, in the Lott Circle emails. Would you happen to have any info on Littleberry or Jesse, or the father of my James L. Lott? They moved to Limestone Co. Texas in 1880, their daughter Viola Anne Lott Cheairs, married to George W. Cheairs, was my grandmother. They lived in Limestone, Freestone, Madison Co., and Crockett and Austonio, Texas.We lived in Austonio for years, then moved to Crockett, then to College Station. My relatives still live in Austonio, the Cheairs', Swearingins, LaRues, McDonalds, and my youngest sister owns land in Austonio, right near the Trinity River. My sisters and I all live in Brazos Co., and my brother in Madisonville. If you have any info on James L. Lott, please email me at MIK MP. Thanks so much , MIK MP.
Thanks for the query. I'll run it by the Circle and maybe some can help. I believe that I have some info on James in Texas from a Confederate pension application. Will have to find my files.
I'll put you on the Lott Circle Roster and we'll see what develops.
John Barron
Subj: Re: Update info
Date: 98-02-14 23:10:12 EST
From: Lucbick
To: JBarron933
I am sorry that I have not had time to read the information you had in computer for me. I am involved in a volunteer project that is taking a lot of time. We had a senior market expo last year at the Mississippi Gulf Coast Convention Center with 108 booths. We are hoping to have at least 150 this year. So many business people have not accepted the buying power of the 50+ generation. It is beginning to register with more and more.
I'm sure that the information will prove beneficial. Is there anything I can look up for you in Marion County, Mississippi or surrounding area. I will be in Columbia this month. I usually go once a month to check on a 92 year old aunt. My uncle was very interested in his family--Lott and Tyner. He talked more about the Tyners than he did about the Lotts. I have 2 aunts and 1 uncle still living out in California. I have ask them to make notes about any relatives they can remember but so far I haven't heard anything from them. I'll just have to call them.
I am missing a few cousins on my family tree. I have letters out at this time to complete the children up to date for Solomon Lott and Martha Warren through Thomas W. Lott married to Mary Elizabeth Magee, to Florence Lott, my grandmother, married to Henry Edward Tyner, Elizabeth Tyner married Robert Prine, my parents.
Lucy Bickham
Subj: Re: John Lott Descendants
Date: 98-02-14 23:42:45 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (JNewton339)
To: email@example.com (JBarron933)
A John LOTT tvld with my NEWTONs to MS TRR in 1807 thru Indian Lands. Joshua N son of Jacob NEWTON and Lois JONES with bros Samuel and Jacob. JOSHUA md Elizabeth WOOTEN in Now Green Cnty, MS, and had two sisters that md, one Tabitha NEWTON md George Gilbert NEW and the other, Mary AZZORA NEWTON md James Boney NEW. The NEWs went to BEE Cnty, TX, and then one moved tothe next Cnty. The marriages took place in Sumter Cnty, AL. The NEW bros father was William NEW and mother was MARY WELLS, 1st wife. The bros were in KEMPER MS. You are descended from (can't find notes now) one of the two marriages.
Jack W Newton, 3402 Hardee Ave, Chamblee, Ga 30341-3312 770 457 4260
Elizabeth WOOTEN NEWTON, my gggrandmother and yours, is burried in Concrete Cemetery in Guadalupe, Tx, near La Vernia. I and several other unveiled a historical monument at the cemetery in Nov,1997. Would like to hear from you. Will send ? Washington NEW's line soon
Subj: Re: Update info
Date: 02/14/98
To: MIL2ROCK
In a message dated 98-02-14 20:05:40 EST, you write:
I was just on your web site and looked up the Lott Circle List and found out info you have on me is not complete. I am looking for BERTHA LOTT, m Lucas Lamar Freeman 22 Dec 1912 in Perry County, MS.....Her brothers were COCHRAN LOTT, b 18 Sept 1912, d June 1987; SAMUEL LOTT; HERBERT LOTT, b 9 June 1907, d July 1979.........Any information on any one of these people would help.
Ethel Freeman, Provo UT
Thanks Ethel, I will fix it the next time I upload the roster.
John Barron
Subj: Fwd: John Lott Descendants
Date: 02/15/98
To: email@example.com, email@example.com
I received the following from Jack Newton concerning members of the travling party of John Lott to MS Terr in 1807 and their subsequent history. I believe this John is the one whom Frances Blitch claimed was born in 1742 and whose probate proceedings were found in Washington Co., MS Terr. in fall 1808. Washington Co. was huge and extended from the Chattahoochi on the east to the Pearl River on the west.
John Barron
Subj: Re: John Lott Descendants
Date: 02/15/98
To: email@example.com
Thanks, Jack, I have forwarded your message to my on-line Lott Circle of researchers. You must have me mixed up with someone else, however, as none of those in the party (including that particular John Lott) were my direct ancestors. Thanks for the info, however, and I hope it will help some identify their people especially in regards to relationships with related families.
John Barron
Subj: Re: John Lott Descendants
Date: 98-02-15 14:46:10 EST
From: JNewton339
To: JBarron933
I recently purchased Delux Family Tree, and in experimenting, I came across your name that I must have been dayddreaming stated that you were descended from George Washington NEW. If so let me know because I know the family from NC<VA<? Bardados.
One of your correspondees MORRIS 811 is related to John LOTT with others including LOTTs and my ancestor to MS TRR (now Green Cnty)
Excuse troubling you. I remember that I had corresponded earlier and stated that you had an excellent web page. I think that I stated that I have a deed on a cemetery lot in Georgetown.
Subj: Re: John Lott Descendants
Date: 02/15/98
To: JNewton339
In a message dated 98-02-15 14:46:10 EST, you write:
<< stated that you were descended from George Washington NEW. If so let me know because I know the family from NC<VA<?Bardados.... One of your correspondees MORRIS 811 is related to John LOTT with others including LOTTs and my ancestor to MS TRR (now Green Cnty)
Excuse troubling you. >>
Jack, no trouble at all. I enjoyed in info, but it must have been another Barron related to the NEW. Georgetown is a nice little town. We considered moving there at one time when my wife was applying for a faculty position there at Southwestern U.
Subj: Lott Ancestry
Date: 98-02-16 13:28:34 EST
From: Mik MP
To: JBarron933
CC: Mik MP
Hi, thanks for adding our email address to the Lott Roster, my sister also wants her address added to it if possible, it is firstname.lastname@example.com. I have received some info.(his application for the Miller Roll-rejected) on John W. Lott from Cherokee Cousins, if you need it please let me know, and I will email the info to you. Thanks, MIK MP.
Subj: Re: Lott Ancestry
Date: 02/16/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-02-16 13:28:34 EST, you write:
<< Hi, thanks for adding our email address to the Lott Roster, my sister also wants her address added to it if possible, it is email@example.com. I have received some info.(his application for the Miller Roll-rejected) on John W. Lott from Cherokee Cousins, if you need it please let me know, and I will email the info to you. Thanks, >>
She's on. That sounds like some information that be useful and would like for you to send. Can you fill me in on the Miller Roll? When was it done, etc.
Subj: Re: Archives
Date: 02/16/98
To: email@example.com
Thanks for the nice offer. I'd be interested in the Dr. Arthur J. Lott who lived in Jackson Parish in 1860. If they have an index or soundex for 1880, I'd like to know if he was still there. I couldn't find him in 1870. He had a son named C. William Lott that they called "C. Billy".
Subj: Re: Lott Ancestry
Date: 02/16/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-16 17:34:20 EST, you write:
<< In the message below, WHO is the John W. Lott??? Was he born 1845, in MS, died 1900 in TX? Thanks, Dot
I'm not sure, better let Mikmp (don't have a name yet) tell you.
Subj: Re: Lott Ancestry
Date: 02/16/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-02-16 18:58:12 EST, you write:
<< Hi, thanks for adding my sisters' address. The Miller Roll was compiled as a result of three court cases brought by the Cherokees against the U.S. government. These suits concerned grievances arising out of the 1835 Treaty--the removal treaty that had relinquished Cherokee lands in the east. In 1905, the U.S. Court of Claims ruled in favor of the Cherokee, and the following year Congress appropriated one million dollars to settle the claim. The task of identifying those persons eligible to receive a share of these funds was assigned to Guion Miller, special commissioner of the Court of Claims. The court decree stated that individuals alive on May 28, 1906, who could establish the fact that at the time of the 1835 treaty, they were members of the Eastern Cherokee tribe or were descendants of such persons, were entitled to share in the distribution of funds. Applications for minors were to be filed by the parents or guardians: applications for individuals who had died after May 28, 1906, were to be filed by their children or legal representatives. More than 45,00 applications, representing abut 90,000 individual claimants, were filed between 1906 and 1908. A total of 30,820 persons were found to be eligible for a share of the funds and are listed on the Miller Roll. (I ordered this application of John W. Lott from Cherokee Cousins) :: Miller Roll application #40271,(John Perry, guardian for John Lott, et. al.)#40271, John Perry for Wards (his sisters' 5 children), Perry's residence was Dell, Ark., Action--Rejected. #40271 EASTERN Cherokees. This is the answers to the application questions, made to the Specia; Commissioner of the Court of Claims, 601Ouray Bldg., Washington, D.C.------State full name(Minor's Claim) 1.John W. Lott, 2.Charley Lott, 3.Robert C. Lott, 4.Samuel Lott, 5.Minnie E. Lott. State Indian name--"Don't know any but Chickalee. Residence and post office: Dell, County: Mississippi, State: Arkansas. Ages:18,16,14,12,10.(the minor children) Birth dates: March 19,1899, Jan.1, 1891, Feb.1893, March 8, 1895, Sept.1894. Married?" No. Give names of your father-English name: Wesley Lott, Indian name none, Mother: Belona Jane Lott, Indian name: Chickalee, Maiden name: Belona Jane Perry. Where were they born? Father? "Don't know" Mother? Dell, Ark. Where did they reside in 1851, if living at that time? "Not yet born" Date of death your father and mother: Father: Jan.1897, Mother 1900. Were they ever enrolled for money with any tribe, annuities, land or other benefits?" No" Name all your brothers and sisters, giving ages, and residence, if possible: Name: 1. John W. Lott, born 3/10/1889, Living at Dell, Ark. 2.Charley Lott, born 1/1/1891, living, Dell, Ark.3. Robert C. Lott, born 2/1/1893, living, Dell, Ark.4.Samuel Y. Lott, born 3/8/1895, living, Dell, /Ark.,5.Minnie E. Lott, born 9/1897,living,Dell.,Ark. State English and Indian names of your grandparent on both fathers and mothers side, if possible: Fathers' side: "Don't know". Mothers' side" John Perry(no Indian name), Maatilda A. Perry. Indian name Matilda A. Chickalee Where were they born?"don't know"either Knoxville, Tenn., or Dell, Ark. Where did they reside in 1851, if living at that time? Grandparents Lott--can't say, grandfather Perry at Knoxville, Tenn. grandmother Perry, Dell, Ark. Give names of all their children, and residence, if possible: 1. Belona J. Perry-dead 2.Samuel Perry, Dell, Ark. 3.James R. Perry, dead 4. John W, Perry, Dell, Ark, 5, Edward F, Perry, Dell, Ark. 6. J.P. Perry, Burleson, Tenn. 7. Joe C. Perry, Jonesboro, Ark. 8. Charles H.L. Perry, Dell. Ark. Children's mother's name was Matilda Hector, her fathers' name was Samuel Hector. His fathers' name was William Remarks: "Her great grandfather Hector was 1/4 breed Cherokee. So regarded by all who knew him." Signed: John(his mark-x)-grandfather and guardian of above 5 minors named above. Date : Aug 21,1907. Notary Public, R. L. Williford. Two witness' were J.M. Milligan and John . Neidham, well acquainted with John Perry, known him for ten years and fifteen years Comments of Cherokee Cousins: If John Lott is your ancestor or relative, you should request a copy of John Perry's Miller roll application(#34708)as he should give info on an earlier generation of ancestors. John Lott and his siblings were rejected for the Miller Roll because the enrolling agent was unable to locate their ancestors on any earlier Cherokee roll. If John Lott is your ancestor or relative, your best bet for verifying Cherokee blood is to look at the county records (marriage, deeds, probates, wills, court cases, etc.) in those counties where your ancestors lived at various times to see if their Indian heritage is mentioned. This is almost a book, I know, but maybe it will help some of our Lott ancestors in their research. Thanks for the online Lotts Circle
Thanks a bunch for typing all this in. I'm sending it around the circle and hope it helps someone. Seems like there were several Lott families in Arkansas and apparently many came from MS.
Subj: Re: Lott Ancestry
Date: 98-02-16 21:55:24 EST
From: Lucbick
To: JBarron933
I have a letter from my great uncle, John L. Lott, written March 10, 1965. He tells about his grandparents, Solomon and Martha Lott. John and Arthur Lott, brothers migrated to MS from GA possibly around 1780 to 1785. They settled on Pearl River and called it Lott's Bluff which later became Columbia.
"According to old records in Columbia, the Lotts donated several acres of land to Columbia for a townsite, plus two more acres for a courthouse and jail. The old Lott file was destroyed by certain persons, but a copy might be found in the State Archives in Jackson."
I have not been to Jackson to research this.
There is a hand written note on the letter that says Solomon's mother was Sarahan Lightfoot (half indian)
Send me your address and I will send you a copy of the letter if would like to have it.
He did not have any infomation on Solomon Lotts father--his guess was John Lott.
Subj: Re: Update info
Date: 02/17/98
To: Lucbick
In a message dated 98-02-14 23:10:12 EST, you write:
<< Is there anything I can look up for you in Marion County, Mississippi or surrounding area. I will be in Columbia this month. I usually go once a month to check on a 92 year old aunt. My uncle was very interested in his family--Lott and Tyner.
Lucy, thanks for you kind offer. One thing I would be interested in in Columbia is a man named Carroll Watts. He was a genealogist who began working on the Lott/Watts family back in the '40s. The last contact I had with him was back in 1985 (I think). I don't know if he is still alive, but would like to know. Also would like to know the fate of his genealogy research if he is deceased. Did he donate it to the library or what?
John Barron
Subj: Re: Lott Ancestry
Date: 02/17/98
To: Lucbick
In a message dated 98-02-16 21:55:24 EST, you write:
<< I have a letter from my great uncle, John L. Lott, written March 10, 1965. He tells about his grandparents, Solomon and Martha Lott. John and Arthur Lott, brothers migrated to MS from GA possibly around 1780 to 1785. They settled on Pearl River and called it Lott's Bluff which later became Columbia.
"According to old records in Columbia, the Lotts donated several acres of land to Columbia for a town site, plus two more acres for a courthouse and jail. The old Lott file was destroyed by certain persons, but a copy might be found in the State Archives in Jackson." I have not been to Jackson to research this. There is a hand written note on the letter that says Solomon's mother was Sarahan Lightfoot (half Indian)
Send me your address and I will send you a copy of the letter if would like to have it. He did not have any information on Solomon Lotts father--his guess was John Lott.
Very interesting! Yes, I would love to have a copy of the letter. Thank you for your interest and contributions to the Lott Circle.
John C. Barron
510 E. Braker Lane
Austin, TX 78753
Subj: Re: Lott Ancestry
Date: 02/17/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-02-17 10:39:59 EST, you write:
<< Hi, about John W. Lott, I was trying to research my gg grandfather, James L. Lott, who was born in Miss. about 1843, supposedly in Clarke Co. He was married to Elizabeth McGee Lott in 1865 in Miss. His father, we believe, and are trying to find out for sure, was Littleberry Lott from Ala. James L. Lott had a brother named John Lott, whom we thought might be the above John W. Lott, so we ordered the info from Cherokee Cousins to find out who he was. To answer the question if the above John W. Lott was born in 1845 in Miss, he was born on March 10, 1889 in Ark., according to the report, and there was no info on where and when he died. We would appreciate any info anyone has on James L. Lott, we know he was born in Miss. and died about 1901 in Texas. He was in the military, Com.F,8 Miss. Inf., and Co. H. 27 Miss. Inf. I have tried to get his military records with no success as yet. We believe either Littleberry or Jesse was his father, they both had sons named James Lott.
I will try and find his confederate records. I have copied many Lott pension applications from the Texas State Archives and I have seen some from James Lott but have not gotten to them as yet.
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 02/17/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, email@example.com
I have updated the John Lott descendant chart on my home page. It is a much improved version built in html format with hyperlinks forward and backward. Also included is a corresponding bibliography file. Please check it out and give me any recommendations, additions, etc.
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 02/17/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-02-17 12:42:39 EST, you write:
<< Thanks for the help on the confederate records at the Texas State Archives. I would appreciate getting a copy of James L. Lotts' pension records very much, the only real proof we have of his existence is an 1880 Texas census taken in Limestone Co., married to Lizzie, with children Viola(my grandmother) and her siblings, and we have Viola Lott Cheairs' death certificate with James Lott, birthplace, Miss.,as her father and Lizzie McGee, maiden name of her mother, birthplace, Miss
Will do. If I remember right, I was abstracting Lott confederate pensions applications and when I got to James there was so much in it that I wanted to wait till I was fresher to do it. Of course, that was months ago and I sure don't mean to get your hopes up as I may be mistaken.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 02/17/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-02-17 17:03:34 EST, you write:
<< Hi, and thanks for writing me. Don't worry about rushing to get the info, just wait until sometime when you are there, I mean don't just make a special trip to get it, because there is no real hurry. I heard from my brother that James L. was in a battle on Red Cloud Mountain in Tennessee, he and some others were on top of the mountain and fought off their foes for a while, but was captured and taken to Illinois, where he was in a prison camp for some time. This is just hear-say, sometimes the things we hear turn out to be wrong, but this was what he remembered as being told when he was a boy. He also thinks that our gg grandparents, James L. and Lizzie, lived in Austonio, Texas, the last years of their lifetime, near our grandmother Viola. I have pictures of her and her sisters, and a 16/20 picture of Viola Lott Cheairs and husband George Washington Cheairs.
Thanks, John
Subj: Re: John Lott Descendants
Date: 02/18/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-18 21:18:23 EST, you write:
<< My grandfather was born in Mississippi in the late 1800's. His name was Jesse Lott. He had 3 sons, Herston, Herbert, and Hershel Lott. I've just began this search and not sure if there is any relations or not. >>
Judy, would you like me to put you on our on-line Lott Circle mailing list of researchers? Check my home page and read some of our Lott Circle messages and you will see that we have made some progress. Do you know where in MS your family was from?
John Barron
Subj: Web Page
Date: 02/18/98
To: email@example.com, email@example.com
I have added a new set of data to my web page. It is a Lott family timeline which extends back to the 1650s. It consists of some 700-800 events which have a name, date, location, and source. The sources aren't there yet.
This set of data was created by the PAF event database program, RDF. RDF is a super product which, unfortunately, was under-utilized by PAF users and has now been discontinued in the new PAF3.
Using RDF you can sort and focus the data in such ways as to provide insights unthought of before. This data is, of course, frozen in date sequence and cannot be changed on the web page, but it still can provide some help in identifying ancestors.
John Barron
Subj: RE: The Tory Blair and the Colonial James Blair
Date: 98-02-18 21:21:27 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Gene Blair)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com ('email@example.com')
<< A witness to a deed need only be at least 14 years old >>
Was this true for southern states in general? I've never seen mention of it before.
John, I don't know. I'd never heard of it before Allan Poe told me. But Poe is in NC, and that old deed was witnessed in Amherst Co. VA, so it may have been universal.
Best Regards, Gene.
Subj: Re: Lott
Date: 02/19/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-19 00:03:34 EST, you write:
<< Seeking info re: Thomas Watkins Lott, born June, 1844, Marion County, MS. Attempting to determine whether descendant of John, William or Arthur Lott. John & William accompanied Arthur into Mississippi Territory; after Arthur's death they continued on with Arthur's widow, settling in what is now Columbia, MS.
The second wife of Thomas W. Lott was Sarah Elisabeth Rawls and they had eight children: Rebecca 1879-1965, Sally 1891-?, John 1883-1970, Ruby 1892-1978, Margaret Ann 1885-?, George Herman 1890-1970, Mattie 1890-1928 and Solomon Clarence 1897-1970, all born in Marion County, MS. Mattie Lott Cook died in New Orleans, LA in 1928. George Lott settled in Shreveport, LA c. 1929. Margaret Ann Lott Gardner settled in Louisiana c. 1928. Clarence Lott settled in Natchez c. 1928. John Lott settled in Seattle, WA c. 1928.
Thanks, Mona. I am routing your message to our group of Lott on-line researchers for their comments and information. Would you like me to add you to this mailing list?
Thomas W. Lott was the son of Solomon Lott and Martha Warren. This Solomon was a son of Arthur (killed by the Indians in 1812). If you will go to my web page (shown below) and click on the index to the descendants of John Lott you can find Thomas. Once you find him, clicking on his index entry it will take you to him in the descendant chart. If you like you can save the chart on your computer either as a .htm file or a .txt file.
Solomon was dead by 1850, but Thomas can be found in the census in his mother's household in Marion Co. He is mentioned as a descendant of Arthur in the "Indian Affairs Letter" which can also be found on the web page. Thanks for giving us the list of his children; I will add them to my records and eventually replace the John Lott descendant chart which will reflect your contribution to the family.
If you have more information on the Lott family, we would love to get it.
John Barron
Subj: Re: Southern Lott Mailing List
Date: 02/19/98
To: WEETGRINDR
In a message dated 98-02-19 15:27:46 EST, you write:
<< Please put me on your Southern Lott Mailing List. I have two Lott lines. One is Aaron Lott born apx. 1676 of Chatham Co., NC. he had dau. Nancy Lott born appr. 1701 of Isle of Wight, VA married Nicholas Copeland.
The other Lott line (my husband's) is John Lott born abt. 1742 NC, died 1 Aug Tatnall, GA, married abt 1768 St. George Parish, GA md. Sallie and had Mark Lott born 2Jan 1769, Robert Lott born abt. 1773, Jesse Lott born abt. 1775.
Does this cost anything?
Dora L. Thompson
Thanks, Dora, you're on; no charge. I don't have any information concerning Aaron Lott. However, I feel sure that all the early Lotts came from the Virginia tidewater country around the James River. What are your sources for Aaron, do you feel they are robust? Don't recall seeing reference to Lotts in Chatham Co., NC this early.
The John Lott supposedly born c1742 was the 3rd in a line of Johns the first of whom showed up in Bertie Co., NC, in 1733 in association with the Joyners from Isle of Wight Co. John3 was already married and had 3 children by 1764 when he got a land grant in St. George's Parish. His children (other then Mark) were named in probate proceedings in Washington Co., MS Terr in 1807. I think he died there and not in Georgia as Frances Blitch speculated in her DAR application in 1960.
Please check my web page for more about the family by clicking the following John Barron's Home Page . In it you will see a link to the descendants of John Lott as well as other research guides. In that you can find the line of John3. I would appreciate comments, corrections, and additions.
John Barron
Subj: Re: LOTT CIRCLE
Date: 02/19/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-19 18:36:14 EST, you write:
THANKS A LOTT firstname.lastname@example.com
Thanks, Gary, I agree it is good information. According to my CD Rom of marriage records, Thomas W. Lott married first Mary Elizabeth Magee in Marion Co. on 24 Jan 1866. I think they had one child, but Mary must have died young. I'm sure that Judith Rawls and Sarah Elizabeth Rawls may have been kin but, they could not have been sisters as Judith was much older. By the way there is considerable dispute as to whether Rawls was actually her surname, but there certainly were many Rawls families in Marion Co.
John Barron
Subj: FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH
Date: 98-02-19 20:24:20 EST
From: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
IN MESSAGE OF DORA THOMPSON FEB 19, 98 JOHN LOTT b. abt. 1742, NC DIED 1 AUG TATNALL, GA
MY INFO SHOWS THIS DEATH AS 1 JUL 1810 ALSO SON MARK LOTT b. 2JAN 1769//////MY INFO SHOWS 22 JAN 1769 YOUR INFO ADDED 2 CHILDREN TO WHAT I HAD {ROBERT AND JESSE}
THANKS A LOTT email@example.com
Subj: LOTT - Hancock Co., Mississippi
Date: 98-02-19 23:23:33 EST
From: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
It was recommended to me that I check out your home page for a connection to my husband's Mississippi LOTT line. Well, I looked at the descendant chart you have on-line, along with the messages of the LOTT Circle, but couldn't find a definite link. I wish I could! You have a lot of great info posted!
Just on the off-chance that you've received info since updating your pages (I didn't notice when they were posted), I thought I'd present the bare info I have. My husband's family isn't very forthcoming with info, so it has been slow going -- especially since the genealogy library here in IL hasn't a thing on Mississippi! Here's the line:
Jack LOTT -- supposedly born in Hancock County (that's what it said on one of his son's death certificate); don't know when born; married Mary E. NELSON, also supposedly born in Hancock Co., MS. They had about 13 children -- I know the names or nicknames of 7: William, Ernest, "Red", "Doc", John Wilson (see next), Louisa, & Cordialla. There were 4 more boys and 2 more girls whose names I don't know.
John Wilson LOTT -- born 17 Jul 1868 in Hancock Co., MS; died 1 Mar 1954 in Hancock Co., MS; married twice, I think -- (1) widowed from Sarah Elizabeth SMITH (don't know if they had children), then (2) left by another woman, possibly by the name of Verna? They had 3 children: Prentiss, Zella (see next), & Dallas. I was told that John got 1 section of land when Mississippi was opened to homesteaders. John was a wagon master, cabinet maker, "water witch", carpenter, ....
Zella LOTT -- born 23 Mar 1906 in Flat Top, Hancock Co., MS; died 16 Aug 1990 in Vicksburg, Warren Co., MS; married twice: (1) Arthur Lucien BOURGEOIS [ended in divorce] & (2) Francis William LEE, who served in the MS legislature from 1948 - 1952. I have further details, if you're interested about kids, etc.
There's a family story that one of the female ancestors of the LOTT line had a surname of PHILLIPS, and came to the U.S. in the mid-1700s from the present-day Norway-Denmark-Sweden area. She came with her 2 sisters and her father, John PHILLIPS. 1 of the sisters died on the boat coming over. Her mother had died back in Europe, I guess. I don't have any proof of this; it's just a story shared by one of my husband's relatives recently.
Any clues at all?
Thanks for your time!
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 02/19/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-19 20:42:36 EST, you write:
<< Thanks for your help. At least those 2 pieces of the Lott puzzle fell into place, as well as that of claim to Choctaw blood.
Based upon what facts we have been able to ascertain and interpret, this is our Lott tale thus far:
Three brothers, John, William and Arthur set out from either North Carolina or Georgia (accounts vary) around 1800 for the newly formed Mississippi Territory. They settled in what is now Columbia, Mississippi, initially called Lott's Bluff. Arthur was killed by Indians either in 1809 or 1812, depending upon the source. Arthur and Sara Clapp had numerous children, one of which was Solomon Lott, born c. 1796.
Solomon married Martha Warren on or about January 9, 1823 and produced several children. One son, Thomas Watkins Lott, was born on June 20, 1844. He enlisted in the Confederate Army at the age of 17 and apparently was a much decorated local hero. He lived his entire life in Columbia, Mississippi.
Thomas Watkins Lott was married twice. His first marriage was to Sarah Elizabeth Magee, who was a sister of Other Magee. Five children were born of that marriage: Siam and Jesse, who moved to Tulula, Louisiana; a daughter who married Guy Hatborn and lived in Oxford, Mississippi; a daughter who married one W.E. Tyler and settled in Pinebur, MS; and Thomas Jr. who died in 1915.
Thomas W. Lott next married Sarah Elizabeth Rawls and they had eight children: Rebecca, 1879-1965; Sally 1891-?; John 1883-1970; Ruby 1892-1978; Margaret Ann 1885-?; George Herman 1890-1970; Mattie 1890-1928; Solomon Clarence 1897-1970. Mattie Lott Cook died in New Orleans in 1928. Margaret Ann Gardner was last known to reside in Louisiana. Solomon Clarence was last known to live in Natchez. Sally or Rebecca married one Bob Ritche and settled in Pinebur, MS and either Sally or Rebecca married a Mr. Ford and resided in Angie, LA. John settled in Seattle, WA and George in Louisiana. In 1929, Sally was married to a Mr. Daniela and resided in Pinebur.
Thomas Watkins Lott died in February, 1927 and Sarah Elizabeth Rawls Lott died in February, 1929. Both died in Marion County, MS.
Ruby Lott was married at least twice, possibly 3 times. The questionable marriage was possibly to a Mr. Holt, and most likely was prior to her marriage to a Mr. Lowrey. She had one daughter, Mary, born between 1908 - 1912. Mary died in Virginia in the summer of 1993. The union of Ruby to Mr. Lowery produced a son, Harold Raymond, in 1915. Harold Raymond Lowery is still living and resides in Meridianville, AL. On May 21, 1919 Ruby Lott Holt Lowery married Andrew Jackson Beck in Muscogee County, GA. They later settled in New Orleans for a while. Ruby gave birth in New Orleans on April 25, 1928 to Andrew Jackson Beck, Jr.. Andrew Jackson Beck, Sr. died in Alabama in 1972.
Andrew Jackson Beck, Jr. married Roberta Anna Wasilewski in Alabama in 1947. Their union produced Ramona on 9/17/48 and Veronica on 10/4/59. Andrew, Jr. died suddenly on 9/3/93. Roberta died on 2/20/94. Both died in Los Angeles County, CA and are buried at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Glendale, CA.
Ramona married Lawrence Allen Wesely on 9/14/68 and they live in Toms River, NJ. Ramona and Lawrence had two children: Louis Andrew born 5/8/71 and Jennifer Jean born 7/2/72. Jennifer married Harry Ross Lane, Jr. on 5/11/96.
Veronica married David Wayne White on 11/2/96. They live in Saugus, CA. David and Veronica have one child, Ashley Agnes-Louise, born 7/10/97.
Thus, my sister Veronica and I are descendants of Arthur Lott.
Mona, thank you so much for all this information. I'd love to get this for everyone. The Lott's migration to what is now Mississippi is complicated and not completely understood. What you quoted sounds like it came from one of the old county history books called "mug books" by genealogists. These aren't normally acceptable sources. My purpose in this newsletter is to revisit all the sources of information on the Lotts and separate speculation from real evidence. The Lotts were first in MS (British West Florida then) in 1776 when some of them fled Georgia when the Rev. War began. John Lott #1 and #2 got grants from George III and for all appearances were Tories who supported England in the war.
The sons and grandsons of John #2 began to return to the MS Terr about 1805. John #3 (b c1742) and his sons were in Washington Co., MS, in 1807 and John apparently died there as his estate was probated in the fall of that year. Frances Blitch joined the DAR on John3 and purported that he died in GA in 1810. I think this is speculation on her part and she did not know about the MS connection at the time. Arthur Lott was a brother of John3 who lived in Tattnall Co., GA in the 1800s. He and his family immigrated to MS Terr in early 1812 and he was killed by the Indians during the move or shortly after arriving. I suspect that the William, Arthur, and John in your message were his older sons. I descend from his son Arthur (b c1788 GA). Their mother was Sarah Ann Clapp who remarried John Warren in MS.
Hope this helps some. None of this is written in stone and ferreting it out is difficult, but rewarding.
Subj: Re: Lott
Date: 02/20/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-19 23:03:57 EST, you write:
<< Early reference material I have was provided to my grandmother Ruby Lott Beck by the Marion County Historical Society, most likely in the 1960's. This material cited the conflict as to point of origin of the wagon train headed for Mississippi Territory c. 1800 headed by brothers John, William and Arthur Lott, to wit, Columbia, SC and Tattnall County, GA. Am awaiting additional material from said historical society.
Yes, I didn't mean to sound so critical, but the above is the typical sort of legendary information that Lott researchers are continually confronted with. Like all legends it has a grain of truth to it, but blurs the details. A little digging in the Georgia records and you will quickly see the point of origin and the dates. An entirely different story, however, are just who the brothers were since every Lott family had a John, William, and Arthur. If you will look at the descendant chart of John Lott on my web page, you will see that they are sons of Arthur (killed by the Indians in 1812). His wasn't, however, the first Lott family in MS as his brother John's family began immigrating in 1805.
John Barron
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 02/20/98
To: Lucbick
In a message dated 98-02-20 00:31:11 EST, you write:
<< Thomas Watkins Lott married to Mary Elizaabeth Magee is my great grandfather. Their children were Florence married H. E. Tyner, my grandparents and lived in Pinebur, MS; Jessie married Susie ? ; Simon married Texie Newsom, had one daughter Reba. and moved to California and grew some of the first cotton around Tulare; Thomas married Buelah Pope, and Lucy married Guy Hathorn and lived in Oxford, MS.
Thomas W. Lott married Elizabeth Rawls and had the following children: Rebecca married Liberty Ford and lived in Angie, La--had two sons Robert Earl and Tom; Sallie married Robert Ritchie and then Tom Daniels and lived in Rolling Fork, MS; Margaret (Maggie) married Oscar Gardner and lived out from Amite, La; John, as far as I know never married and lived in San Francisco, Ca. he is the one I sent you the letter from, and George married Audie Garrett and he moved around a lot; Mattie married Oscar Cook, Ruby married ? , ? , Andrew Beck and Clarence married Nita ? , had two daughters and lived in Bude, MS.
I will call my aunts in California this week end and see if I can fill in the blanks.
I will soon have all the dependants Henry Edward Tyner and Florence Lott. I will send this to add to your Lotts. I am waiting for several family group sheets to be returned.
Would you please send me any information you have on Thomas Watkins Lott--you stated he had a war record. I would like to get a copy of this.
Lucy, thank you so much. We are really getting this line complete with you from the first wife and Mona Wesely from the second. She is the one who sent the message about his war record; I don't have it either unless it is somewhere buried in the Lott Family Newsletter. I'll update the descendant chart with your data and replace the one on the web page as time allows.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-02-20 10:35:30 EST
From: email@example.com (Mona Wesely)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com (Mona Wesely)
To: email@example.com
Ruby Lott Holt Lowrey Beck died in Meridianville, AL on 4/10/78. Her son by Mr. Lowrey still lives in Meridianville and I will provide data on his descendants in the near future. Will also attempt to obtain data on Thomas Watkins Lott's war record from the Lowrey side.
Subj: Re: MARY OR SARAH ??????
Date: 02/20/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Yes, first marriage of Thomas Watkins Lott was to Mary Elizabeth Magee and second marriage Sarah Elizabeth Rawls. Sounds fishy doesn't it, but that's what it said. See my message from Lucy Bickham this morning about children from the first marriage. For the name of the 2nd wife, Lucy just said Elizabeth. I don't know which is right.
Gary do you know if Carroll Watts of Columbia, MS, is still alive? I haven't heard from him in years. Thomas Watkins Lott must have been another example of the family using Watkins which caused him to speculate that it was Arthur Lott's wife's name.
Subj: Re: Lott Ancestry
Date: 02/22/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-02-20 17:17:00 EST, you write:
<< Hi, I just received a letter and another 1880 Limestone Co. Texas census on my gg grandfather, James L. Lott(J.L.Lott) on the census, from a cousin in La. This copy of the census has J.L.Lott's fathers' birhplace as La., his mothers' birthplace as Ala. James L. Lotts' wife was Elizabeth(Lizzie) McGee Lott, married in Miss. in 1865. Both he and Elizabeth were born in Miss., his birthplace, Clarke Co.,MIss. He was in the Miss. Infantry Company F 8 and Company H 27. Their children on this census were Sally, Alice, Viola, and Fanny. They later had a son named William Harison Lott. If there are any Lotts out there who might know who the parents of James L. Lott were, or know of James L. Lotts' ancestry, would you please emaiil me at MIK MP? Thanks so much, MIK MP.
Will route the info. I still plan to check the confederate pension files. Will go this Tuesday. It's pretty slow going, however.
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 02/22/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-20 20:06:49 EST, you write:
CARROLL WATTS OF COLUMBIA, MS DIED A FEW YEARS AGO ONE OF MY COUSINS (BY MARRIAGE) LIVED NEAR COLUMBIA, AND WAS ABLE TO GET SOME INFO FROM HIM. THAT'S HOW WE TRACED OUR FAMILY BACK TO JOSHUA LOTT b. 1802 , MONTGOMERY CO. GA.
IN THE LETTER FROM LUCY, 20 FEB 1998 SHE MENTIONS A SON OF THOMAS WATKINS LOTT "THOMAS" m. BUELAH POPE . IF ANYONE HAS INFO ON POPE FAMILY TIED TO MAGEE FAMILY, I WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE IT.
IN MY FAMILY LINE, I HAVE ELISHA MAGEE m. MARY POPE
SOLONIA POPE m. GHOLSON G. GINN
SOLONIA POPE m. M. L. LEWIS
SARAH POPE m. SAMUEL RICHARD LEWIS
Thanks, Gary, sorry to hear about Carroll. He sent me my first real info on the Lott family and got most of us started.
Subj: Re: Aaron Lott
Date: 02/22/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-21 14:05:56 EST, you write:
<< You may be lucky with your Aaron Lott line. I just happen to have a lot of info that may help.
Chatham Co, NC was not formed until 1770, it was made from a piece of Orange Co. Could he have been born in Isle of Wight Co, as his dau was and gone to NC later? There was a Wm Lott in VA by 1662, and several Copelands. I have the Lott data from 2 manuscripts by Graham Copeland. I'll be glad to send them to you but one is quite long and I would rather get it copied than type it in my computer. One day I'll have a scanner. I also have the US Census 1850 for Carroll Co, MS Lotts. They are all a later Aaron and his family. There are likely a one or 2 gen. gap between Aaron 1676 and the pre- rev Lotts in Chatham Co, NC. It has Aaron Lott, b 1780,SC and the families of his sons : John b 1802; Wm b 1804: Aaron Jr b 1806, all in SC.
John, I may be changing my email add. no one at Gateway can tell me how to attach a file. Please send to CIRCLE if desired, I can't easily do that either.,
Thanks, Sue. Your world of experience is why I was so happy to see you join this group. Does Gloria Lott have internet connections? We need her and her husband aboard too.
If you change your e-mail address, just send me a message and I'll make the change in the Lott Circle Roster.
Date: 98-02-22 12:51:56 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (sumik)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
Hi Guys, I haven't heard from Gloria Lott in ages, have you Dan. I can try to find her. I would like to see Wayne Lott, dentist , in Ark in. He did all the nice census charts. Dan, do you know the parents of Nathan Lott, Harrison Co, MS 1850, 51, wife Sarah?
I need to caution you again about accepting DAR/SAR proof of lineage. Remember, their focus is getting in the organization, anyway they can. You can't change them when they are wrong, so those organizations perpetuate errors. I wonder how many have entered DAR on John Watts, b 1798, as a son of John and Judith?
I was reminded recently that until after the RW, the laws of England prevailed in primogeniture and others: children under 16 were infants, and gave the father extra land. Males of 16 could own land. Ch under 16 were orphans when the father died and bound out if the family didn't have
the wealth to care for them. So when John Lott says in 1764 that he has a wife and 7 ch. he doesn't include those 16 and older who are on their own. Somewhere there is evidence that John Jr and Solomon were b in VA.
Joe, I need to know if you got my attachment.
John, I don't have anything on those Hancock Lotts
Dan, do you have a loose man to fit Darcy Lott, 95 in 1870 census.
Sue M.
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 02/22/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
I found the following in vol 41 of The Virginia Genealogist concerning Arthur LETT in King & Queen (formerly New Kent) Co. VA, in 1722. There was a wheeler-dealer land speculator named John LETT/LOTT (found both ways) in New Kent in 1670-80s. He sounds for all the world like one of ours. Has anyone looked into these counties? Handy Book says K&Q Co. has land records back to 1692.
Madison the immigrant had a son Henry also. It reads as follows: Edward Ware, 815 acs (0.& N.L.), K & Q. [King & Queen] Co., in Stratton Major Par; on S. side of the Dragon Sw; adj. Dennis Mccarty: Arthur Lett, in an old field in John Lewis' line: crossing Timber Br: to Richard Todd; 22 June 1722, [Patent Bk. 11] p, 106. 40 Shill. 415 acs sold by Henry Midison to Nicholas Ware, father to sd, Edward, by deed acknowledged in New Kent Co. Court 29 Nov. 1680; 20 acs. sold by James Martin to sd Edward, 12 Nov. 1700: 380 acs surplus found within part of patent granted to John Pigg & John Madison father to sd. Henry Madison dated 4 July 1664.
John Barron
Subj: Re: Clapp/Watkins
Date: 02/24/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-23 17:44:07 EST, you write:
I found this letter and believe she is the same lady who sent me the Indian docs. Your friend might want to write her. I quote from one paragraph.
November 20,1989
Ellen Steen
8211 Ash Valley Drive
Spring, Texas 77379
To: Sue Miklas
...."In OUR LOTT ANCESTORS on page 5 it says` the wife of Arthur Lott was Sarah Watkins Lott.` About two years ago I visited with Mr. Carroll Watts mentioned on page 3 and he said he assumed her name was Watkins because of family names and locations but had no proof her name was Watkins. I showed him the Dawes Report and he felt Clapp may have been her name."
I don't really care what her name was, but we can't really disclaim a sworn to doc because we don't like what it says. Why not write her name as Sarah (Clapp)Watkins, or something like that?
I have the 13 children on of John Watts and Penelope Lott and each of their spouses, but I don't have many birth and death dates. Reuben W. Watts m/1 Bathsheba Lott, dau/Abram Lott and Zilpha Wiggins. She had 2 children, John and a daughter, then she died from consumption, I think. For all of this I have legal documentation. You know what a stickler I am.
There has got to be a way to send to the circle without typing them in each time, but I haven't figured it out yet. Sorry. I heard that a few years before he died he turned over all of his research on Lott/Watts to someone named Lott. Whoever, is keeping quiet.
Sue M.
Thanks, I value your thoughts as always. Maybe someone has birth/death dates for John & Penelope's children. Don't know what browser you use, but see if it has a facility for storing mailing lists. That's how I do it, but AOL is pretty simple minded about such things.
Date: 98-02-24 10:48:28 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
I have a copy of "MY CARROLL COUNTY KIN" BY KATHLEEN CORLEY MASON 640 ppgs published 1983 it has good info on CORLEY, HARBIN, LOTT and VANCE others included:ALBRITTON-BAILEY-HEATH-HOLLANDMCDONALD-RICHMOND-SHEPARD-TAYLOR
no connections to MARION COUNTY LOTT FAMILIES happy to share
Subj: watts-lott
Date: 98-02-25 01:02:01 EST
From: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
YOU SAID YOU HAVE NAMES BUT NO B'DAYS MAYBE I CAN HELP MY RECORDS SHOW ONLY NINE (9) CHILDREN taken from covington county ms. census sep 12, 1850 williamsburg post office family 169. HERE GOES
JOHN A. WATTS JR b.1799 m.PENELOPE LOTT b.1803, 29 AUG.1822 MARION COUNTY, MS
Subj: Re: Watts/Lott
Date: 02/26/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-25 22:27:32 EST, you write:
<< Gary - Here are the children of John Watts and Penelope Watts as I have them from the Final Account of John Watts Estate in Covington Co, August Court 1866.
1.Sarah Ann Watts, b c 1823 m Benj. C. Duckworth -
2 .Hattie Watts, b c 1825 m F. M. Smith
3.Thomas L. Watts b c 1828 d 1862 Killed in Civil War - wife?
4.Reuben W. Watts b c 1829 m/1Bathsheba(dau/Abram Lott) She had 2 ch John and a dau, then d of consumption , m/2 Elizabeth He resided in Harrison Co in 1866
5.Mary Watts b c 1830 m George W. Lott
6.Patience P. Watts, b c 1832 d bef 1866
7.Elizabeth Watts, b c 1834 m Henry Taylor
8.Martha A. Watts b c 1835 m Francis Marion Watts
9.Catherine Watts, b c 1837 m T.D. Harris
10. Angeline Watts b c 1840 m Jesse L Herring
11.Rhoda Bonita Watts b c 1843 m Henry George Wilkes d 26 May 1921 in Vicksburg, Warren Co
12.William G. Watts, b 6 May 1845 m/1 Mary McGrew 1867 in Perry Co. m/2 Lizzie Moore. He had 14 ch living in 1912. He served in rth MS Reg'T in CW.
13. Julia Artemesia Watts, b 27 July 1849 m George M. Dallas Watts, 2 Mar 1869, d 12 Oct 1912, Rankin Co.
Sources: 1. Thomas Watts Homestead Grant, 26th Sept 1817 - NE Quarter Section 20, Covington Co, MS. Patent to John Watts, 25 May 1825.
2. Masonic Abstradex - Covington Co, MS
3.US Census, Covington Co, MS, 1830/40/50/60/70
4. Probate Records, Probate Book A 1866, Covington Co, MS
5.Deed of Gift - 2 July 1856 from John and Penelope to Rhoda B. Watts.
6.CW Army Recs of Thomas and William
7. Information from Mary Lois Ragland, Vicksburg,MS
There were so many 1st cousin marriages during this generation it's a wonder we aren't all blithering idiots.
What else? Sue M.
Gary, Sue Miklas sent this to you, but it came back due to an address problem. She is my mentor and I consider her the final authority on the LOTT/WATTS families. Hope this helps with this confusing group.
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 02/26/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-26 01:28:11 EST, you write:
I ENTERED INTO PAF INFO OBTAINED FROM LURLEEN WATTS COLE DAR APP. CONCERNING JOHN A. WATTS b.1751 COV. CO. MS. m. JUDITH RAWLS b.1752 WITH 7 CHILDREN. RE: THOMAS/BARBARA/DICEY/REUBEN/AMELIA/RHODA/AND JOHN WATTS JR. M. PENELOPE LOTT THEN I FOUND AN ESTATE FILE OF THOMAS WATTS SMITH CO. TX. 29 JAN 1854 VOL. 1, NO.4 PAGE 132 WHICH SAYS PENELOPE WAS MARRIED TO JOHN B. WATTS, SON OF THOMAS WATTS, SON OF JOHN A. WATTS.
I HOPE YOU CAN MAKE SENSE OF THIS. I'M THOROUGHLY CONFUSED I SUPPOSE WHAT I NEED IS NEW FAMILY GROUP SHEETS ON JOHN A. WATTS AND HIS SON THOMAS WATTS b. CIRCA 1771 S.C. IF THIS IS TOO MUCH TO HANDLE THROUGH E-MAIL MY ADDRESS IS
Gary, go to my web page by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page or by typing the following internet address in your browser: www//members.aol.com/jbarron933. Check the index to the "Descendants of John Lott Chart" and find Thomas Watts (there may be several entries). Click on one of them and the follow the links around till you get to the main entry for him. Below his main entry is a list of his children.
I'll do another chart to get the descendants of John Watts and wife Judith. Hope this helps a little.
Subj: Re: Carroll Watts
Date: 02/26/98
To: Lucbick
In a message dated 98-02-25 20:57:08 EST, you write:
<< I was in Columbia this week. I looked in the library and there was a book with a lot of work by Carroll Watts. I copied some about the Lotts and will send it when I find time. The info is about Lotts settling in Columbia and Arthur Lott--nothing on individual family listing. I have to go to work tomorrow and the rest of the week.
The librarian told me she heard that the McCain Library at USM in Hattiesburg may have been given the Carroll Watts research papers. I did not have time to go by there today on my way home. I will try to check on this next week thru the USM Gulf Park Branch here on the coast.
I talked with Mernice Griner while I was in Columbia. He has a lot of research on the Lott family--was planning on writing a book. He has a book on the Lotts. I gave him an e-mail I had copied from you with your E-mail address on it. I do not believe he is on the internet or at least he is not on in genealogy--said he thought he might get on. I am not sure which branch he is on--connected with Lotts in Columbia. He is remodeling at his house and his material was not accessible. Will get in touch with me later. I will call him next time I am in Columbia if I haven't heard from him by then. He can be reached at Griner Drilling Service--601-736-6347 or 736-3719--home.
I met another Lott at lunch Monday. She is from the branch that settled around Ohlo, MS--between Columbia and Hattiesburg. Did not get to talk with her then but will talk with her next time I am up there--find out who her Lotts were.
I feel better knowing I am not the only one just learning the computer and internet.
Lucy >>
Looks like you're doing pretty good to me. Thanks for the update. For circle members, Lucy told me she was going to Columbia and graciously asked if she do any research for me. I asked her to check into the where-abouts of the work of pioneer Lott/Watts researcher, Carroll Watts. As you can see, she should have been a private eye. Look out Jim Rockford!
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 02/26/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
I have uploaded a 2-generation descendant chart of John Watts and wife Judith to my web page. I have not done very much research on the Watts family, but Sue Miklas has and, as you will see, most of this information is from her files. The page can be accessed by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page or by entering the following address in your internet web browser http://members.aol.com/jbarron933.
John Barron
Subj: Re:
Date: 02/26/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-26 13:35:43 EST, you write:
<< DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO INTERNET, SO I MUST DEPEND ON E-MAIL OR U S MAIL DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF LURLEEN WATTS COLE'S FAMILY SHEET ON JOHN A WATTS AND JUDITH RAWLS. IF SO, IS IT CORRECT. ALSO, DO YOU HAVE INFO ON ESTATE OF THOMAS WATTS SMITH CO. TX 29 JAN 1854 VOL.1, NO.4 p132. IF SO, WAS HE A SON OF JOHN A. WATTS AND JUDITH RAWLS .
Gary, I'd rather eat a bug than resort to snail mail. :-)
I haven't seen Lurleen's info. She's a nice lady, but I wouldn't put to much confidence in it. I think she is the one who entered the DAR on him, yet no one can seem to locate him further back than 1795. I have a typed copy of Thomas Watt's will and estate papers as well as Andy Leath's book on Smith County Probates, although the originals have disappeared from the court house files in Tyler.
Below is what I have on John Watts and Judith. If there are differences between mine and Sue's, I'd take her's first. As you know tracing these families is an evolutionary process, ever changing, and subject to different interpretations. There are seldom any right or wrongs. You simply have to follow the evidence back to its original source and determine if the origin was based on real evidence or someone's guesswork. Guesswork is fine, but must always be stated as such or else it gets in the records and cannot be identified as such. Exit soap box.
Subj: Lott family
Date: 02/26/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Bill, in your query on Calhoun Co., AL genweb you wrote
Looking for marriage of Thomas LOTT to Mary Ann (Polly) ?. Thomas Lott lived with parents in Benton County and what is now Cleburn County. He was born in 1826, married in 1846. do not find record of marriage in Anniston or Heflin. His wife's maiden name may be Silman or something similar, but not sure. His parents and kinfolks lived near Abernathy Al. and Fruithurst Al. Any information on Thomas LOTT and the Lott family would be appreciated. ��
I don't have any info on Thomas LOTT, but I have a web page devoted to LOTT research. Please check it out at the following John Barron's Home Page and send me a message if you would like to join the mailing list (it's free).
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: John Watts son/Thomas
Date: 98-02-26 01:26:01 EST
From: email@example.com (sumik)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: garylott@Juno, email@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com (John Barron)
I got my last message to you returned. The family of John and Penelope. I don't know what I did wrong. I saved it as a file and I will try to send it that way.
You need to know that John Watts is not the son of John A. Watts, he is the son of Thomas Watts and Elizabeth Lott. Somebody just wanted in DAR. That org perpetuates too many mistakes. If this attachment gets to you empty, I'll try again.
Sue Miklas
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 02/26/98
To: JONESWS
In a message dated 98-02-26 17:54:12 EST, you write:
<< John, I am overwhelmed at the information you have assembled and what you are doing on researching the Lott family. I am fairly new at this computer stuff but would certainly like to be included on your Lott Circle Messages 1997 list. Thanks for the invite. I have not had a chance to review all the information you have but intend to do so as soon as possible. I have my Lott line on FTM Online under my page 'William S. Jones. It is up to date as near as I can get it. I just can't get past by gggrandfather Ellis Lott and Abigale Carpenter. Maybe somebody out there has the answer to my dilemma. Thanks for replying and hopefully we will be talk more.
Bill Jones
703 Laurel St.
Bremen, Ga. 30110
Thanks, Bill, you're on board. Hopefully one of the circle has some info on your family. They were in Benton Co., AL, if I remember?
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-02-26 23:45:26 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (sumik)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: email@example.com
It was Andrew Leath who sent me a copy of the original will of Thomas Watts from Smith County. No one else could find it. I don't like to contradict Mr Leath, but there are a few important details about the will that need to be corrected. It is very short:
THOMAS WATTS WILL - Smith County, Texas Probate Minute Book - A 2
"In the (name) of God Amen. I Thomas Watts of the County of Smith and state of Texas being weak in body but of sound mind and deposing memory. Item 1st I give and bequeath to my beloved son Barlett S Watts my negro man Simon. It is my will and request that the residue of my property be equally divided between my heirs. I nominate and appoint my beloved son Bartlett S. Watts executer of this my last will and testament. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal this 29day of January 1854.
Thomas X Watts (his mark)
done in presence of
Jos Arrington
S. Lott
J S Powell
Accepted for Probate 29 May 1854 on sworn testimony of S J Lott.
The Final Settlement of the estate of Thomas Watts was on 27 February 1855.
John Watts--------------------------Mississippi, Covington County
Reuben Watts---------------------------" "
Heirs of William Watts-----------------" "
Heirs of George Watts-----------------" "
Heirs of Mary Hornsby-----------------" "
Catherine Miller------------------------- " Hines County
Elizabeth Lott-------------------------Texas Smith County
A.L Watts(Absolom)-----------------Texas Burnet County
B.S. Watts(Bartlett)------------------Texas Smith County
1. You can see it doesn't say "Heirs of John Watts" he was very much alive at that time. He appears on the 1860 US Census of Covington County.
2. John Watts died intestate, maybe about 1864, instead of 1854.
3. I have a copy of the Final Settlement of John Watts Estate from the Probate Court in Covington County, MS. Oct Term of Court 1866. It lists the devisees, 13 children or their heirs.
4. I have a great deal of documentation on Thomas Watts and Elizabeth Joyner and their nine children.
They are my 3rd ggrandparents. My line is through Bartlett S. He was a Lt in CW, Wagon Master in Elisha E. Lott"s Company.
I couldn't do what you do John. Any Web Page I tried would be a disaster. Maybe, I can help with digging out the truth with documentation once in awhile.
Sue Miklas
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 02/27/98
To: email@example.com
Thanks, a bunch Sue. The Thomas Watts info clears up a few points for me. I'll make appropriate changes in my info on web page.
Andy Leath is a remarkable guy and a good friend. He's also a partial Lott and Barron kin (in-law married an in-law or something). He's helped me with a couple of papers that I'm trying publishing.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 02/27/98
To: JONESWS
In a message dated 98-02-27 09:10:01 EST, you write:
<< Thanks John, glad to be included in the circle. My gggrandfather Ellis Lott first showed up in Lincoln Co., Ga. when he married Abagail Carpenter on Apr. 24, 1817. They, along with Mark Lott, Hiram Lott and Sarah Lott, with families, migrated across Georgia and were found in Old Campbell Co. and Coweta Co., Ga. they then appeared in Benton Co. Al. which now is Cleburne Co. formed out of Benton Co. My ggrandfather Thomas Lott married Mary Ann (?) and moved to Carroll Co., Ga. in 1846 and died there in 1856. There was a Rueben Lott and maybe other Lott's in Lincoln Co., Ga. in the late 1700's. I believe that they came to Lincoln from nearby Edgefield Co., S.C. just across the state line from Lincoln Co. I don't know who the parents of Ellis, Mark, Hiram were nor who was the husband of Sarah. I do not know who Ellis married other than her given name of Mary Ann (Polly). I would like to know who she was.
Thanks, Bill
Thanks Bill, sounds like a familiar refrain. There was a Reuben Lett (sometimes spelled Lott) with John, Arthur, and the whole crew in Burke Co., GA, c1770 and later. I never was sure just who he was and never placed him in the family, but your info would tend to indicate that he may be kin. I feel sure that the Jesse and Mark of Edgefield Co., SC, were sons of the John Lott b c1700 who was, perhaps, the progenitor of all the GA Lotts.
Reuben may have been too. I think he was a Rev Sol (on the rebel side) and was a county official at one time. He seemed to leave the area by 1790s and he may be the one who went to Lincoln Co. Do you have any more info on him?
Subj: Lott Time Line
Date: 02/27/98
To: email@example.com
Sue, have you looked at the Lott Time Line on the web page? Dan Lott has sent me a bunch of new events, mostly from early MS and I hope to add them into this one. This one is frozen by date, but the real data base lets you focus on various things such as people or places and is wonderfully helpful.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-02-27 23:13:35 EST
From: JONESWS
To: JBarron933
Thanks John, a Reuben Lott served on the Grand Jury of Burke Co., Ga. on Oct. 22, 1783, taken from "Georgians in the Revolution: At Kettle Creek" (Wilkes Co., and Burke Co., Ga.) Lincoln Co. was formed from Wilkes Co. and of course Burke Co. was Original Territory in 1777. Rueben then appears in "Index to Georgia Wills" - 1796-1808 in Lincoln Co., Ga. Also, in "Early Georgia Wills" - Lincoln County, Ga., third edition of Heritage Papers, Athens, Ga. 1965 the following appears" Page 5, - Wills 1796 -1807: Warren Lott, June 16, 1797: June 16, 1798. To wife Rebecca. To sons and daughters, Hackey, Joseph, Reuben, Hannah, David, Rebecca and Elizabeth Warren. To daughters: Mary Ellis, Sarah Graves, Jane Carter. Property to be divided when youngest is of adult age. Exs: Wife and Elisha Carter. Wit. Thomas Graves, Moses Matthews. These are some old notes and I had to stop work on the Lott line at about this time and am just now returning.
It appears that Rueben was in Lincoln when it was formed from Wilkes Co. along with Ellis Lott, Mark Lott, and probably several more siblings or near kin. Anyway, will try to follow up on this and would appreciate any input from you and the Circle.
Subj: Re: Lott Time Line
Date: 02/27/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-02-27 20:09:48 EST, you write:
<< Absolutely, include the info in the time line. Have been on somewhat of a hiatus and am trying to get spun back up again. I am monitoring all the message traffic though and will get myself back into gear shortly.
Question: Have you heard anything about a Arthur Jenkins Lott who was a captain in a Louisiana civil war unit. I've been trying to find my reference about him to properly compose a question but it's proving to be more of a problem than I had anticipated. The only info I have is that he was in one of the lower Louisiana Parishes, was a Captain, and in his unit was a Arthur Jenkins Lott, Jr. He resigned his commission and went back home (sick? to die?). He doesn't show up in any census records that I have. By any chance do you have something on him and who his parents might
Thanks, Dan, I'll get started on it soon and it should add to our knowledge.
I just wonder if he might be the Dr. Arthur J. Lott (b 1825 MS) in Jackson Parish, LA, (northern Louisiana) in 1860. I feel sure this Dr. Lott was the same Dr. Lott who lived in Austin, TX, in the 1850s and was apparently the son of John Lott who came to Texas in the 1830s who had lived in FL before. He had a son named Arthur who was about 16 in 1860. Dr. Arthur was still alive when his wife's estate was probated in 1866 in Travis Co., TX. She owned property here in her name (a little strange for that time and place).
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 02/27/98
To: email@example.com, email@example.com
The following deeds taken from Screven Co., Georgia, Deed Record "A", Part I, pp 22-23 and pp 39-40.
... we John Lott Junr son of John Lott Sr and Sally my wife ... grant to John Lott, Sr 900 acres, signed 13 Jan 1795 John Lott Junr and Sally (X) Lott [wit:] John Hatcher, Elyhu Wiggins ...
I John Lott Senr ... for love and affection toward my dutiful and loveing son John Lott, Jr. give 150 head of cattle, signed 11 Oct 1795 John Lott Senr and Bethany (X) Lott [wit:] Benjamin Richardson Junior, Benjamin Richardson J.P. ...
Do we really know for sure just who these Johns are? They have been universally accepted as the John Jr. born 1742 and his father born c1720, but how do we know that. The John b 1742 had a son John born c1764 who would have been about 30 years old in 1795. Either set seems as likely to me as the other. Does anyone have any evidence (other than Folks Huxford and Frances Blitch) that would help shed some light on this problem?
Subj: Genealogy Pgm Sale
Date: 02/28/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, bjlub, krobert298
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Subj: Re: Lott Circle Communications
Date: 98-02-28 12:20:09 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Donna K. Arnold)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Yes it is great! I am so glad this has been established and I am now on the list.
My Great Grandfather, William H. Thorn married Anna Lott. Gerald Galliger and I are working on the Thorn history and trying to keep up with the Lott history as well.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 03/01/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Sue, not sure if this went through to you. Glad to see you back.
The following deeds taken from Screven Co., Georgia, Deed Record "A", Part I, pp 22-23 and pp 39-40.
... we John Lott Junr son of John Lott Sr and Sally my wife ... grant to John Lott, Sr 900 acres, signed 13 Jan 1795 John Lott Junr and Sally (X) Lott [wit:] John Hatcher, Elyhu Wiggins ...
I John Lott Senr ... for love and affection toward my dutiful and loveing son John Lott, Jr. give 150 head of cattle, signed 11 Oct 1795 John Lott Senr and Bethany (X) Lott [wit:] Benjamin Richardson Junior, Benjamin Richardson J.P. ...
Do we really know for sure just who these Johns are? They have been universally accepted as the John Jr. born 1742 and his father born c1720, but how do we know that. The John b 1742 had a son John born c1764 who would have been about 30 years old in 1795. Either set seems as likely to me as the other. Does anyone have any evidence (other than Folks Huxford and Frances Blitch) that would help shed some light on this problem?
Subj: John Lotts
Date: 03/02/98
To: email@example.com, email@example.com
In a message dated 98-03-02 00:18:14 EST, you write:
<< I'll look at this John poser. Right now I'm working on the first 3 Johns. >>
Sue and Lucy, I am sending my latest draft of my Colonial Lott paper for your review. Sue, Lucy is my smart daughter, and helps keep me in line. I'm beginning to wonder about John3 (b 1742) and alleged wife Sally. I'm positive he died in MS in 1808 and named children John, Robert, Luke, Jesse, and Elizabeth in the probate documents. No wife was mentioned or alleged son Mark who stayed in GA. ANOTHER John gave away a bunch of slaves to his MINOR children in Feb 1807 in MS. He must have thought he was dying or something. He had a daughter Elizabeth, BUT there was also a witness named Elizabeth Lott in some of these proceedings.
I have various abstracts of these documents from different sources. Sue, do you have copies of the originals. If not we need to get them badly and publish the actual wording to try to separate these people. Elizabeth may have been the wife of the John that died there.
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 03/02/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-03-02 11:09:43 EST, you write:
<< P.S. Also from the looks of the e-mails I had better hasten to look up Dr. Arthur Jenkins (?) Lott and hope to find him in only one parish. He should either show up in the Genealogy part of the Bluebonnet Library here or in the state archives.
That would be great. I found Dr. Arthur J. Lott in Jackson Par. in 1860. Dan Lott mentioned Arthur Jenkins Lott. I just proposed they were the same, but just a guess. If you could find both or else what happened to him/them, that would help greatly. I checked the LA 1870 census index, but did not see them right off the bat.
Subj: Southern Lotts
Date: 98-03-02 19:04:14 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (sumik)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
This is really great. Your paper is carefully thought out and beautifully written.
There are just a few differences in dates and relationships that I see from another viewpoint. I will get back to you as soon as possible.
Do you think the Lott Circle got my new email? I tried to send it "Reply All", but I never know if it went out that way.
Thanks, it is nice to know that some real thought is going into this forever research.
Subj: Re: Southern Lotts
Date: 03/02/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-03-02 19:04:14 EST, you write:
<< There are just a few differences in dates and relationships that I see from another viewpoint. I will get back to you as soon as possible. Do you think the Lott Circle got my new email? I tried to send it "Reply
Thanks, for reviewing the paper. Any help appreciated. You message went out fine as far as I can tell. Hope your new service is a good deal. AOL is good in some ways and no so good in others.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-03-03 11:05:45 EST
From: email@example.com
To: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
Over the phone with the parish library's Genealogy Department, I found that brief records of what is held in the state archives are available. Arthur J. (and Jenkins) Lott showed up a few times, once in Carroll Parish (in northeast LA, later divided into East and West Carroll Parishes--)on March 18, 1962, showing him as a captain in the Civil War with that parish, and also as a second lieutenant August 1861, possibly resigning his. Over the phone it seems to be sketchy whether he was captain and someone under him as a second lieutenant resigned or if he changed rank himself. Will check the book she was quoting to me, myself. It may be next weekend before I can check the archived records, themselves. More later.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-03-04 17:51:09 EST
From: email@example.com
To: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
Here is the information gathered so far from the parish library's genealogy department:
"Louisiana Confederate Soldiers," Volume III, Book 1, pp 796-797, by Andrew Booth, lists--
Lott, A.J., --Capt. Lott's Co. (Carroll Dragoons) La. Cav. On List dated Par. of Carroll, La., March 19, 1862, showing receipt of $50.00 as bounty for enlisting in Confederate Staes Army for War or during the term of service.
Lott, A.J., 2nd Lt. Co. D, 4th Battn. La. Inf. En. Aug 9 1861, Carroll Pari., La. Roll to Aug 31, 1861, Absent. Roster not dated. Elected 2nd Lt., Aug. 9, 1861. Resigned Oct.---,1861; R. Anderson, successor.
Lott, Arthur J., Capt. Capt Lott's Co. (Carroll Dragoons) La. Cav. On list dated Par. of Carroll., La., March 19, 1862, showing receipt of $50.00 as bounty for enlisting in Confed. States Army for the War or during the term of service.
A Private James D. Lott from Carroll Parish is also listed, was a surveyor, and place of residence was Penhook, LA. He is found in 1870 and in 1860 living with Hiram Lott, and an entry says he was partially deaf (I would have to recheck which census showed that information. I would guess it was the latter one, but could be wrong.) He was 29 when he enlisted. He is in Co. I, 14th La. Inf. and only because he too was listed in Carroll Parish did I try to connect him to Captain Arthur J., or 2nd Lt. A.J. Lott. He seems to have enlisted May 20, 1861, was a Quartermaster Clerk until Jan. and Feb. 1864; and re-enlisted for the War, Feb. 21, 1864. He was absent for the roll for April 30 to Aug 31, 1864. Detailed by order of Gen. Lee, 1864.
All told from Louisiana there seemed to be 14 soldiers who were Lotts, including a deserter, one accused of mutinous conduct, , 2 prisoners of war who were later paroled, and two in hospitals who died. Unfortunately, the $50 bounty was given for enlisting, not for finishing alive.
I have not yet been able to find any 1870 or 1880 LA census records for Dr. Arthur J. Lott. I did see where in the 1860 in Jackson Parish, LA that there were records of him, his wife, Mrs. Lott, Arthur,16, and Willie,8.
And as seen above, Dan, the name Arthur Jenkins Lott, is not cited as such in this book. I'll try soon to check the State Archives.
Subj: Re: Amarintha Ward
Date: 03/08/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-03-05 11:35:36 EST, you write:
<< Does anyone on the Lott Circle know about the family tree or ancestry of Amarintha Ward, wife of Mark Lott, b.1807. Was she related to the beloved woman of the Cherokees', Nancye Ward? Thanks, MIK MP
Thanks, we'll see; I'm not familiar with the story. Sorry to have taken so long, been out of town. Do you know who the father of this Mark was?
Subj: lott query
Date: 98-03-05 15:04:07 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Lucy Barron)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Found on Calhoun Co., AL GenWeb Page:
Bill Jones Sun Jan 25 20:14:32 1998 (email@example.com) Looking for marriage of Thomas LOTT to Mary Ann (Polly) ?. Thomas Lott lived with parents in Benton County and what is now Cleburn County. He was born in 1826, married in 1846. do not find record of marriage in Anniston or Heflin. His wife's maiden name may be Silman or something similar, but not sure. His parents and kinfolks lived near Abernathy Al. and Fruithurst Al. Any information on Thomas LOTT and the Lott family would be appreciated.
Lucy Barron (617) 495-2446
Senior Serial Cataloger e-mail: email@example.com
Widener Library, Rm. 87
Harvard University
Cambridge, MA 02138
Subj: Re: Amarintha Ward
Date: 98-03-08 22:12:38 EST
From: email@example.com (John Griffin)
To: email@example.com (JBarron933)
On Sun, 8 Mar 1998, JBarron933 wrote:
> In a message dated 98-03-05 11:35:36 EST, you write:
> Does anyone on the Lott Circle know about the familytree or ancestry of
> Amarintha Ward, wife of Mark Lott,b.1807. Was she related to the beloved woman
> of the Cherokees', Nancye Ward? Thanks, MIK MP
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From POWG I had recorded the following note:
First Generation
James Preston WARD
He married Zilpha KIRKLAND. They had the following children:
2i.Armintha WARD
Second Generation
2. Armintha WARD. Born 28 Mar 1826 in Telfair Co, Ga. Died 25 Mar 1907 in Coffee Co, Ga.
She first married Mark LOTT Jr., son of Mark LOTT & Delilah JONES, 28 Mar 1839 in Telfair Co, Ga. Born 18 Oct 1807 in Montgomery Co, Ga. Died 1863 in Coffee Co, Ga.
She second married Samuel E. DANIELS.
John Griffin
Subj: Re: Lott Genealogy
Date: 03/08/98
To: FLSHILLING
In a message dated 98-03-05 12:36:07 EST, you write:
<< Curious as to how many John Lotts you have come across in the early 1700's. I have done research and have had accepted papers on John Lott that married Elizabeth Joyner for the Colonial Dames Seventh Century. Just got a new computer and am on line for the first time... Naturally looked up genealogy first. Am descended from the GEORGIA clan. It looks from your work that this same John is the root John for several others. How are you connected to this group?
Thanks for your message. On line is the way to go. I'd be very interested in receiving a copy of your papers. If you will click on my home page at the following John Barron's Home Page you can see my relationship with John1 Lott either in the descendants of John Lott or my ahnentafel chart.
I am sending your message around to the Lott Circle which is a group of on line researchers. Would you like to be included in our group?
John Barron
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 03/09/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-03-09 14:47:21 EST, you write:
<< Thanks so much for the great info. on Amarintha Ward to Joseph Lott and John Griffin. The file: Ancestors of Amarintha Ward was very informative, thanks Joseph Lott.. Nanye'hi, or Nancy Ward, was the daughter of Tame Doe, born on c1738 at the Cherokee Nation (now TN); died in 1822 at the Cherokee Nation (now Polk county, TN. She married ,first, to Kingfisher; died in 1755 at Canton Co.,GA., and married, second, to Bryan Ward. Child of Bryan Ward and Nanye'hi was Elizabeth Ward, born c1759;married Joseph Martin. The descendants of Nanye'hi are on the internet, David Hampton, Cherokee author and descendant of Nancy Ward, and President of the Nancy Ward Society, presented them. She was described as "the beloved woman of the Cherokees". I have one more question about a John Watts (Young Tassel) who replaced Dragging Canoe of the Chickamaugas as War Chief, in March 1792. Could he be related to the John Watts of the Watts/Lotts lineage? Thanks, MIK MP
Glad you got some good info. Sue Miklas may can give us more on a possible relationship with John Watts.
Subj: Dragging Canoe
Date: 98-03-10 21:49:00 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (sumik)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com, email@example.com
Dragging Canoe, Warchief of all the Cherokees, was the son of John Watts, Indian Trader, who came from Eng. circa 1750. He married sister of Chief Old Tassel, Onahassie(sp).
There is no relationship to John Lott of GA, MS that I have been able to find. I do have several interesting stories of John Watts and Dragging Canoe. I will be glad to send you copies if you want to give me your address. I don't plan to type them in the computer.
I wish I had a clearly defined "Aramintha Ward". I only have a maybe "Princess Patsy Lightfoot" of the Cherokees.
Sue Miklas
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 03/10/98
To: WEETGRINDR
In a message dated 98-03-10 11:04:26 EST, you write:
<< Have you tried "Pioneers of Wiregrass Georgia", by Huxford? >>
Thanks for the gedcom. I might consider creating a place on the web site for gedcoms if others of you think it would be useful. I am reluctant to accept too many file attachments because of virus problems, however.
I think I've bashed poor old Judge Folks Huxford enough in my earlier messages. See the 1997 Lott Circle messages archived on the web site. To repeat myself a little, I think "Pioneers of Wiregrass Country" is a place to start your research, but it not to be believed for any generation earlier than the children of Mark Lott and Delilah.
Also, the DAR Patriot Index echos Frances Smith Blitch's DAR application (notarized by Judge Huxford) which is based on family legend, speculation, and an alleged newspaper article concerning the Bible records of Mark Lott. No one seems to have seen the actual article or the Bible. The work of Huxford and Blitch have been unfortunately accepted as fact by early Lott researchers, but need to be re-examined and treated according to the rules of genealogical evidence. That is one of the purposes of the Lott Circle.
John Barron
Subj: Arthur Jenkins Lott
Date: 98-03-11 18:45:37 EST
From: email@example.com (Dan Lott)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com (john barron)
John and Sandra,
Thank you for the info supplied so far on Arthur Jenkins Lott. He has bothered me since he shows up in my home state and I really don't have a clue as to his parents. Sure would be nice to pin him down.
I apologize for taking so long to thank you. I've been off line for over 5 days due to a lightning strike that took out my phones. Luckily, my computer which was connected to the phones survived fine though it wouldn't boot up for a few days. I've only be on line again for about a hour and was really enjoying the message traffic.
Thanks again. Anything else you might find on Arthur Jenkins at the LSU or state library archives would be most appreciated. Sandra, is there a good genealogy library at LSU. Have heard that there was but haven't yet managed to get over there to check it out.
Subj: Re: Arthur Jenkins Lott
Date: 03/11/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-03-11 18:45:37 EST, you write:
<< Arthur Jenkins Lott. He has bothered me since he shows up in my home state and I really don't have a clue as to his parents. >>
Well if he's who I think he is than the John Lott in early Texas is the most logical choice. This group is even more elusive than the rest of the Lotts.
Subj: Re: Carrol Watts research
Date: 98-03-11 20:53:06 EST
From: Lucbick
To: JBarron933
I talked with a staff person at USM library this morning. They do not have the papers listed in the computer index. She said they had files by names and they could possibly be in one of those. I will arrange to stop by and look for them on my way to Columbia sometime within the next two weeks.
Just wanted to let you know that I haven't forgotten. I am still waiting for a few more family group sheets before I send the Thomas Lott family to you. It was interesting to hear from a relative I have not met-(Wesley in the Lott Circle)-I knew her grandmother.
Subj: Re: Arthur Jenkins Lott
Date: 98-03-12 11:00:17 EST
From: email@example.com
To: email@example.com
CC: email@example.com
Hi, Dan glad you and your computer are safe! I had checked my out log to make sure I was not imagining that I had sent the message.
Seriously, I had not even thought about the LSU Library. So far I've been able to make use of the Genealogy section of the East Baton Rouge Parish Library, which is fairly new and is in between my home and work. Since it's in the state that would have the most about an Arthur Jenkins Lott who fought in the Confederacy, I figured that was the best place to start. And that is where I was directed to Booth's books.
I would imagine that the actual records of Louisiana's Confederate Soldiers are housed and are somewhat more lengthy in the State Archives building, which is next-door to where I work at the retirement system for state teachers (perhaps one can Xerox them). I'm still trying to get there (seems easy but they close at the same time as my weekday hours are over). I have also been to the Family History Center of the Latterday Saints which is within a mile of my house and used them temporarily as a time line. And they have sent off for non-accessible indexes that the library did not have for me.
Since I have found a book listing the sick and the mortally wounded in MS, perhaps I could also check for a LA one of that type and see if Arthur Jenkins Lott could have not gone home at all.
Still checking-
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 03/14/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-03-14 08:21:46 EST, you write:
<< I appreciated very much the tip about your web page. Please add me to your list of persons interested in Lott research.
I am the son of William R. Lott, son of William Albert Lott, son of Stephen S. Lott, son of Stephen Lott, son of Solomon Lott, etc. I have a fairly complete list of the descendants of Stephen S. Lott (Montgomery County--old Choctaw County, MS) and would be glad to share it with anyone who is interested. The Stephen A. Lott you cite several times was my father's first cousin.
John B. Lott
Thanks, John, glad to add you to the list on the Lott Circle. I would love to get your list of descendants of Stephen and I will add it to what is not on the web page giving you full credit.
John Barron
Subj: Early Johns
Date: 98-03-17 00:09:48 EST
From: email@example.com (sumik)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com (Lucy Barron)
File: YNER.doc (26624 bytes)
DL Time (32000 bps): < 1 minute
This is Re: Your paper on Southern Lott Family. It is so well presented and your references so impressive that I can only compliment you.
I surely don't object to 3 Johns, there may be another before him. Wasn't land bought by John Lott in Duplin Co in 1714 ? When you move his birth up/back to allow for that he will be way past a reasonable age to die in 1778.
The file that I hope is attached really needs confirming with the submitter. I haven't done that. But it seems to put Elizabeth as a more likely for a wife of John 2.
This isn't all, but I better send another file. I need to tell you how Mark barely escaped being hung when Jesse was.
Later, Sue
Subj: Re: Early John Lotts
Date: 03/20/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-03-17 00:09:48 EST, you write:
<< John, This is Re: Your paper on Southern Lott Family. It is so well presented and your references so impressive that I can only compliment you.
I surely don't object to 3 Johns, there may be another before him. Wasn't land bought by John Lott in Duplin Co in 1714 ? When you move his birth up/back to allow for that he will be way past a reasonable age to die in 1778.
The file that I hope is attached really needs confirming with the submitter. I haven't done that. But it seems to put Elizabeth as a more likely for a wife of John 2.
This isn't all, but I better send another file. I need to tell you how Mark barely escaped being hung when Jesse was.
Later, Sue
Sue, thank you a bunch. Well, I've have seen a reference to a John in New Kent Co., VA, (I think) about that time. Duplin wasn't around that early and that whole part of NC was under the jurisdiction of Bertie. I too think there was another John usually recorded as LETT in abstracted works, but he seemed to have stayed in VA.
I've seen this Joyner family group sheet somewhere. It clearly contains only information from John Joyner's will and from Thomas' will. I'm sure "our" John is not the same John as the son of Thomas and the birth dates are malarkey.
Subj: Re: John Lott who Travelled with Newtons
Date: 03/20/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-03-20 16:33:53 EST, you write:
<< I was going back through all my messages as I am changing email accounts and found the one below about the John Lott who traveled with the Newtons and News. Do you really think the person in Jack Newton's message is our John Lott 1742 (son of John 1720 and husband to Sally)? I don't recognize any of these family names as those that supposedly traveled with the Lott clan as they moved west (Watts, Burt, Pace, Wiggins, etc.) and intermarried with them. There may be Newtons and News in this line and I haven't uncovered them yet. But, I'm wondering if this John Lott isn't part of the SC Lott clan which spent some time in AL before moving on to MS. Or could it have been a cousin or nephew of our John Lott. For example, John Lott b. abt 1787, son of Solomon Lott, although I think he ended up in Harrison Co, TX which is a pretty good ways from Bee County.
Well, I don't remember the message very good, but I think it probably was him. He and his sons Robert, John, Jesse, & Luke were in MS 6 or 8 years earlier than Arthur and his sons who came in 1812. The Watts and Burt were later arrivals. Wiggins and Williams were there early. Not sure about the dates however.
I think the time line answers these questions pretty good. You can follow them in GA as they sell and in MS as they acquire property. In my data base I can focus on a particular name such as Robert Lott and see the connections without interference from other unrelated records. It helps.
The early MS Terr records are confusing though. However, it is clear that 2 grown John Lotts were there in 1805-7 and two separate lists of siblings (with almost the same set of names) are shown in deed and probate records.
John Barron
Subj: Re: John Lott III
Date: 03/21/98
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In a message dated 98-03-21 22:36:21 EST, you write:
<< I have no idea how it got erased or why this printing has all these variations. If it doesn't come through this time , let me know. I am determined to get it right.
That got it. Yes, I am familiar with these records. See my Lott time line on the web page. These are two separate Johns. I think the one with the will and probate is the John b 1742 who supposedly died 1810 in GA according to DAR application of Frances Blitch. He had the grown children Elizabeth, Luke, Robert, John Lott, and Jessie (misread as Tessa by Leonardo). The deed of gift is from another John (I think the son of the John b 1742) who has a set of minor children named as follows Elizabeth, Arthur, John, Robert, Luke, Fanny, and Sarah. This second John also has brothers named Robert and Luke.
I feel sure that the children of the second John (and perhaps he too) are the ones in Florida Terr. in 1820s and 30s and who came to Texas in 1830s.
Subj: Re: John Lott III
Date: 98-03-22 22:01:34 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (sumik)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com (JBarron933)
Comments: It is hard for me to separate the Deed of Gift and the Will into two separate Johns, since Luke and Elizabeth are central to both. Daughters Sarah and Fanny probably m between Deed and Will, and son Arthur may have taken off before Will.
Are you thinking that there were sons Rob't and Luke, and brothers Rob't and Luke for each document?
I think I will try for copies of the originals.
Sue M
Subj: Re: Lott Time Line
Date: 98-03-23 17:54:11 EST
From: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
John, what can you tell me about Dr. Arthur J. Lott's wife in Travis County, TX? I've gathered a lot of info from the Confederate Records at the LA State Archives regarding a Captain Arthur J. Lott, captain of the Carroll Dragoons, Capt. Lott's Company, of the Louisiana Cavalry for the Confederacy, who enlists March 1, 1862, lives until Nov. 29, 1898, and his pension is given to his widow, Virginia Manning Lott, whose son gives an affidavit as John Monroe Lott. He (Arthur) could have had an earlier wife, since he and Virginia don't marry till Sept. 13, 1874 at Dormsville, Union Parish, LA. (She was born in 1856, according to her death certificate.)
According to the pension, said Arthur T.(it could even be an F.) Lott enlisted in 1863 in A. W. Terrell's Reg. 34th Texas Cavalry, Capt. Warren's Co., state of TX., served in war until the surrender near Mansfield,LA, when he was in same company as a private. Arthur died of apoplexy (nowadays a stroke) in Ruston, LA. in 1898.
The War Department (2188372) records show that one Arthur J. Lott, private, Company H (Captain Warren's Company), 34th Texas Cavalry, which subsequently became the 37th Texas Cavalry (colonel Terrell), was enlisted February 4, 1863. No later record found.
But I have the other copies of records that show also Captain Arthur J. Lott, captain of the Dragoons, and also a card for Arthur J. Lott, Jr.
More specific data to follow soon.
Subj: Lott, MS 1807
Date: 03/24/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-03-22 22:01:34 EST, you write:
<< Are you thinking that there were sons Rob't and Luke, and brothers Rob't and Luke for each document? .... I think I will try for copies of the originals.
Yes, that makes it messy, but nothing's ever easy with this family is it. We do need the originals. I have seen copies done independently of the flawed one by Leonardo and it says "when children [Robert, Luke, John, Arthur, etc] reach age 21." However, Robert, Luke, John, and Jesse (assumed to be sons of John b 1742) were grown men who went to MS Terr from GA about 1805 and I have their passport records as well as jury duty records in MS c1807-10.
Perhaps the Luke and Elizabeth who received slave Mungo were siblings of John (of the deed) and children of John (of the will). They were named twice in the deed of gift. Also the daughter Fanny may have been the one who married the Alexander and was named in a document about 1820 by John Lott in Marion Co.
I so busy now caring for my elderly father that I can't give anything justice or think too deeply about it, but lets keep after this and see what we can come up with. Thanks for you input.
Sincerely, John
Subj: Beginning My Lott Journey!
Date: 98-03-24 06:14:59 EST
From: Famnation
To: JBarron933
Hey John! Thnx so much for all your work! I've just begun my Lott search: I hail from pre-Civil war GA, Thomas Lott (Buena Vista, I believe), his son Wm Lawrence Lott (Columbus, Ga) & his dau. Louise Lott McMichael (Quitman GA) to my mother, Eleanor McMichael.
John & Sandra Lott have helped me get started, as I spotted them re my Ward line...
Reached your Home Page but now having trouble connecting to its links - pbly traffic. Am home today for a change, & should be doing bills; but this is far more fun!
Thnx again...P.S. Did you know that in the N. Neck of Virginia (Northumberland Co.) there is a hamlet called "Lottsburg" - that's a bit away from Isle of Wight. I'll try to find out more, as I know the area well. My "Reamy" (Ramey/Remy) surname is from there - back to 1600's & still present day w/ some...) Thnx again! Melicent Remy
Subj: Re: Beginning My Lott Journey!
Date: 03/24/98
To: Famnation
In a message dated 98-03-24 06:14:59 EST, you write:
<< Did you know that in the N. Neck of Virginia (Northumberland Co.) there is a hamlet called "Lottsburg" - that's a bit away from Isle of Wight. I'll try to find out more, as I know the area well. My "Reamy" (Ramey/Remy) surname is from there - back to 1600's & still present day w/ some...) Thnx again! Melicent Remy
Thanks for the kind words. I didn't know about the VA town, but there was a John Lott in Frederick Co., VA, in mid 1700s. Don't know if he is from the southern or northern Lott line. May have been a new English arrival altogether too. I think he was R.S.
I have included you in future Lott circle mail. Hope we can help and if you see anything you want to share or comment on, just jump right in.
John Barron
Subj: Re: Arthur Jenkins Lott
Date: 98-03-24 17:05:40 EST
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To: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com
I checked again with the LA Archives and they said that Jackson, MS would have the information (microfilms) regarding Arthur Jenkins Lott, Partisan or Prentiss Rangers (can't read it!) MS that seems to be cross-indexed with my Captain Arthur J. Lott of the LA Cavalry Carroll Parish Dragoons. I'll send you some copies of my photocopies in case you could make out the darkened script better. Need an address.
Subj: Re: LOTT, Texas
Date: 03/26/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Brian, I have a web page dedicated to LOTT (and, of course, Barron) research. It can be reached by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page or by entering the following url: http://members.aol.com/jbarron933.index
I don't recognize any of the LOTTs that you mentioned, but I have abstracted the 1880 census of Texas for Lott. I will go through those records and try to locate them. Do you have any more specific locations for them such as counties?
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 03/27/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, email@example.com
In a message dated 98-03-26 22:57:45 EST, you write:
<< Subj: LOTT
Date: 98-03-26 22:57:45 EST
From: email@example.com (Brian & Pam)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com (JBarron933)
Hi John,
It would be my pleasure to be included in the Lott circle...My primary line of research has been the HEANER family..I am not quite sure what help I could be..but I am game..BTW..I am originally from San Antonio..retired from the Navy here in South Carolina and decided to stay and call it home. After going back and reviewing what info I have on the Lott's...They came from Alabama.
Brian Giesick
Ladson, SC
Please welcome Brian as the newest member of our group.
John Barron
Subj: Carroll Watts research papers
Date: 98-03-30 22:43:36 EST
From: Lucbick
To: JBarron933
I was in Hattiesburg Friday and again today at the USM McCain Library. I asked the librarian about any research papers that had been donated to the library that had been done by Carroll Watts. She was not aware of any such file. I looked thru the Lott folders on Friday and copied some material. I returned today on my way home and went thru the Watts folders. I found several pages that had Carroll Watts name on them. There is a world of papers on the Watts and related families, ie, Pickering and Aultman. I found several references to Lott and I copied them. I will go thru the materiel some time this week and try to put some of it together and send you. You possibly have the information already.
The library has a large section of Georgia references. I plan to go back another time and look for some of my other names.
Are you following any of the related lines? I found an extensive link to Elias Warren married to Susannah Burford. They were Solomon Lott wife Martha Warren's parents.
I also have an extensive link on the Sampson Pope that married Ester Barnes This is not on the Lott side. Thomas Lott married Mary Elizabeth Magee whose grandfather was Sampson Pope.
Just wanted to let you know that I had followed up on the Watts papers. Sorry I did not find them. I told the librarian that he had talked to many of the older people at that time and written lots of information. She said perhaps if the papers were given to them that they have been filed with the surname of the people written about. If that was the case there wasn't a lot about the Lotts.
Will get back in touch after I find time to look over the papers.
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 04/05/98
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In a message dated 98-03-31 13:11:56 EST, you write:
<< EDWARD HENRY LOTT (great-grandfather)
b. 1855, Washington-on-the-Brazos, Texas
d. 1890, Rio Grande City, Texas
m. in 1875 MARY KATHERINE COLE (parents: Samuel Cole & Martha Scott)
Linda, my records show a Henry Lott born 1855 in TX (probably Austin, Co.). If this is yours, then we are cousins. See the index to the descendants of John Lott on my web page at the following John Barron's Home Page .
Also, would you like to become a member of our on-line mailing group for Lott? It's free and you won't be bombarded by too much stuff.
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Re: Carroll Watts research papers
Date: 98-04-06 12:15:01 EDT
From: JONESWS
To: JBarron933
In reply to Lucy's message regarding subject, Margie Lott and daughter Karen of Aspermont, TX sent me in July 1993 several items of Lott information they had found, including some records copied by Betty Kirkland from records put together by Carroll E. Watts of Columbia, Mississippi. (date of copying is illegible).
Records as follows:
1. A large and influential family.
2. Native of North Carolina, having been there in Duplin County in 1750-60. Record is found there of a deed from John Lott, Sr., gentlemen. to John Lott, Jr., dated Aug. 11, 1760, conveying 1-- acres of land. Both were residents of Duplin County, N.C. at that time.
3. Another deed dated May 11, 1861, from John Lott, Sr. to William Pope, for 200 acres of land. This deed was witnessed by John Lott, Jr.
4. John Lott Sr., and John Lott, Jr., appeared in Georgia about 1762-64. Several land grants were made to members of the above family from March 6, 1764 through Dec. 1766. John Lott, Sr., petitioned for a grant of 200 acres in St. George Parish on Nov. 6, 1764. This adjoins that filed for by John Lott, Jr., (300 acres) on Buckhead Creek. This was on March 6, 1764. John Lott, Jr., was identified in the petition as the son of John Lott, Sr. John Lott, Sr. stated that he had a wife and seven children at the time of the petition, and that he had lived in the province for some time. A year later he petitioned for 150 acres more and said that he had 6 children. This was on Sept. 3, 1765.
5. The Lott family continued to live in St. George Parish until sometime during the Revolutionary War. St. George's Parish in 1777 was made into Burke County, and Effingham County when the parishes were abolished and Counties laid out in their stead.
6. When Georgia was overrun by the Tories during Revolution the Lotts remained loyal to the Revolutionary Cause. They had to flee the state and went into South Carolina and settled in a section not overrun. John Lott, Sr., and his sons were faithful to the cause and served with South Carolina Militia, at various times. In addition to having served with the Militia, they furnished many supples.
7. John Lott, Sr., and wife Bethany, were the parents of a large family. There were seven minor children at home in 1764, and several others, some four or five, were grown at that time. The minor children at that time, 1764, were Nathan, Absalon, William, Mark, Arthur, Jesse, and Polly. The children who were grown included John, Jr., Solomon, and Daniel. Polly later married William Hatten. John Lott, Sr., and Bethany most likely had other sons and daughters.
8. It appears that John Lott, Sr., returned to Georgia soon after the war of the Revolution and settled in Effingham County where a grant of 100 Acres of land was made to him on Sept. 6, 1784; 150 acres on March 14, 1791; 100 acres on Dec. 6, 1791; 200 acres on Feb. 12, 1793.
9. When Screven County was formed in 1793 partly out of Effingham County, John Lott, Sr's. land fell into the new county. So did that of his son John Lott, Jr.
10. John Lott, Sr. moved to the new county of Montgomery in 1796. He was one of the 1st to emigrate there. He and his son John Lott, Jr., were on the resident tax list of 1797-98.
11. In 1805 John Lott, Sr., and John Lott, Jr. moved to Tattnall Co., Georgia, and no further record is found of them in Tattnall County after 1805.
12. Joint ownership of lands between father and son is evidenced in the conveyances from one to the other in records found in three (3) counties, Duplin County, N.C., Sscreven and Tattnall Counties in Georgia.
13. (first part is illegible but I pick up) father John Lott, Sr.", both of Screven County, dated Jan1, 1795, conveying "all lands we now possess, embracing 950 acres more or less". Also, included were 150 head of cattle, i mare, and all household goods. (Deed Book A--page 22).
14. Later that year, Oct. 1795, the older Lott, joined by his wife Bethany, conveyed back to the younger Lott the 150 head of cattle. (Deed Book -- page 39-- Screven County, Ga.
15. In Tattnall County, Georgia, Deeds to his father, May 10, 1805, 350 acres of swamp lands, 550 acres of pineland, all hogs and cows owned by him, all households, and 9 slaves. ( Deed Book A--page 42-- Tattnall County, Georgia).
16. John Lott, Sr., was commissioned a Lt. in Capt. James Puch,s County, Georgia Militia, March 21, 1767. He was Capt. of the 7th Company of Effingham County Militia, 1767-9.
17. John Lott, Sr. was appointed Road Commissioner in Burke County, Georgia, on the road from Queensboro to Horse Creek on the Ogeechee, July 29, 1783.
18. It might be noted that when the two John Lott families returned to South Carolina fleeing from the Tories after the Revolutionary War that they settled in the same general area as did all the Lott's found in South Carolina at that time. They settled in an area in Fairfield County of Camden District, or near where present counties of Aiken, Barvwell, Edgefield, Saluda and Lexington Counties in South Carolina now join. They were east of Trenton and Johnston, South Carolina, and a bit south and towards the present town of Batesburg, South Carolian. (From a compilation by: Leonard Andrea, prepared for Mrs. Mamie Carter Crumpton).
19. Other Lott's found in the same general area of South Carolina as John Lott, Sr., and John Lott, Jr. were Jesse Lott, Mark Lott, George Lott, Joshua Lott, and William Lott. Each of the above were granted land plats after the Revolutionary War. These land grants will be given later in this paper.
20. John Lott received the following land grants after the war in South Carolina:
John Lott --400a on Rocky Creek Camden District, Oct. 15, 1784.
John Lott --200a in Orangeburg District, Dec. 4, 1786.
John Lott --100a on Spann Creek Orangeburg District, Dec. 7, 1786.
(These could hardly be John Sr. of Ga. since he was being granted land in Effingham Co., Ga. at this time. 1784, 1791, 1793. And John, Jr. was of Screven by Jan. 1795)
21. From Land Grants after Revolution..Index III
John Lott received the following land grants:
John Lott--386 a on reeves Branch, Orangeburg Dist., Nov. 7, 1791.
John Lott--452 a on Wateree River, Camden Dist. April 1, 1793.
John Lott, Jr. -- 48a in Orangeburg Dist., Dec. 2, 1799.
22. Which of the above grants were for John Lott, Sr. and which for John Lott, Jr., is not clearly understood, however, John Lott received a total of 5 plats and John Lott, Jr., a total of one as is seen in numbers 20 and 21 above. It is a certainty that John Lott, Jr., ? It is likely that all of the above was made to John Lott, Jr., since John Lott, Sr. was granted land in Georgia about the same time as the above grants, (found in 20 and 21). See No. 8.
23. It might be stated here that "land in South Carolina before the Revolution was alloted according to the size of the family---50 a for a wife, and 50a for each child under age 16 years.. the husband got either 50a or 100a for himself.(South Carolina Archives)
24. According to Mr. Leonardo Andrea in the information on Lott's compuled by him for Mrs. Mamie Carter Crumpton of Meridian, Miss., that besides the land granted to Lott...they bought a good bit of land as shown by deed records of South Carolina, and the County deeds of Edgefield, Barnwell, Aiken, Lexington, Fairfield and Chester Counties in South Carolina.
25. The 1790 Census for South Carolina shows John Lott in lower Orangeburg (Barnwell County). In his household were 2 males of 16 or over, 1 boy under 16 years of age, and a total of 4 females in the household including the wife. this was most likely the John Lott, Jr. family at that time in South Carolina since John Sr. had previously showm up in Georgia. (See #8)
26. Late in the 1700's and during the early part of 1800's the Mississippi Territory begin to open up and settlers from the Atlantic Coastal States started moving into the new Territory. Evidently the Lott family were caught in the great migration because it was at this time that they first showed up in the Pearl River area of Mississippi Territory.
27. The 1805 U.S. Census of Mississippi lists the following Lotts in the Mississippi Territory in 1816.
In Marion County were:
Absolum Lott, Nathan Lott, William Lott, Sr., William Lott, Jr., William Lott,
Simon Lott, Arthur Lott Sr., Arthur Lott, Jr., Nathan Lott, Solomon Lott, Arthur
Lott Jr. (again), John Lott.
There were 3 William Lotts, 3 Arthur Lotts, and 2 Nathan Lotts listed in the group. This makes it rather confusing.
In Jackson County, Mississippi Territory: 1817: Absolum Lott
In1816 Hancock County, Miss. Territory: Soloman Lott
In 1816 Green County, Miss, Territory: Joshua Lott, Robert Lott, and Jesse Lott.
In 1810 Washington County Miss. Territory: Joshua Lott.
They were all listed as "Heads of Families" at that time. (The foregoing was taken from Louisiana State University Hill Memorial Library Film #409)
28. Passports through the Creek Indian Nation: (page 268)
Saturday 7th November 1807
On recommendation that a Passport through the Creek Indian Nation be prepared James Taylor, John Lott, Sr., William Williams and Samuel Newton with their families which was presented and signed. (Bullock and Effingham Counties) Georgia.
This concludes the Carroll E. Watts record that I have. Hope it will be beneficial.
Bill Jones
Subj: Elizabeth Magee
Date: 98-04-06 10:31:29 EDT
From: Mik MP
To: JBarron933
CC: Mik MP
I would like to know more about the extensive link on Sampson Pope/Ester Barnes also, whose grandfather was Sampson Pope also. The Mary Elizabeth Magee name is a close spelling to my own ggrandmother Elizabeth McGee Lott, who married J.L. Lott in Miss. in 1865. Thanks, Mik MP.
Subj: Re: Fwd: Carroll Watts research papers
Date: 98-04-06 09:27:52 EDT
From: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Subj: Lott
Date: 98-04-06 09:36:40 EDT
From: email@example.com (Ben & Linda Warrenburg)
Reply-to: @htcomp.net
To: email@example.com (John Barron)
Yes, we seem to be cousins. Back in the late 1960's I searched for Dr Lott's grave site but could not find it. A man there had the plat of the different cemeteries in the area and not one of them showed a Edward Henry Lott. He said that there had been some type of plague about that time & that they people were sometimes buried in mass graves. We finally gave up looking. But not after checking every headstone in Rio Grande City. I have to leave in a few minutes, but I want to look at your web page at length when I get back. It looks like you have a lot of great information.
And Yes, I would be interested in the Lott Circle. Thanks for letting me know that you are a cousin. This is the closest to my Father's side of the family that I have gotten. I am so excited and so grateful !
Keep in touch
Subj: RE: Carroll Watts research papers
Date: 98-04-07 12:44:08 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Merle Bellmer)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com ('JBarron933')
>>>>>>>>>>Regarding the message from Bill Jones on Carroll Watts research papers, I am particularly interested in item # 7, showing a William Hatten married Polly Lott. If anyone knows more about this I would like to hear.
Thanks, Dot email@example.com
Subj: John Lott Home Page
Date: 98-04-11 22:43:33 EDT
From: email@example.com (Adam Manfredi)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Hello, I am a descendant of John Lott who came from England in the early 1770s and settled in Tatnell County, Georgia. I understand you have a Web Site on the family. My cousin Lucy Bickham in Gulfport, Mississippi told me about it but I seem to have only your E-mail address and not the Web Site address. Would you please send me the correct Web Site address so I can enjoy reading all of your material? Thank-you.
Elizabeth Edwards Manfredi
Subj: Re: John Lott Home Page
Date: 04/11/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-04-11 22:43:33 EDT, you write:
<< I am a descendant of John Lott who came from England in the early 1770s and settled in Tatnall County, Georgia. I understand you have a Web Site on the family. >>
Hi Elizabeth. As far as I have been able to verify, the Lotts in Tattnall Co. are the same ones who were in Edgecombe/Duplin Co., NC, 1730s-1760. Prior to that they were probably in tidewater Virginia and originally from England. They received land grants in 1760s in St. George Parish (now Burke Co., GA). I'd be interested in your source of information saying they came from England in 1770s.
My web page can be accessed by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page or by typing in the following url: http://members.aol.com/jbarron933.index. I strongly suspect, however, that we're cousins. I have a Lott family on-line research mailing list that discusses these issues in depth that I would be happy to add you to if you desire.
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Conflicting information
Date: 98-04-16 14:52:50 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Gerald R GALLAGHER)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Dear John; In your John Lott chart under Sarah Lott #41, you state that John Page had a second marriage to Mary Isadora Tincher after 1870.
In the book, Harrison County, Texas, Caucasian Residents in 1880 by Nancy Blakeley Ruff published in 1987 on page 285, the author states that Sam Page, the youngest son of John Page and Sarah Lott, married Mary Isadora Tincher. They had two children: Tessie who married ---Hall and Travis Benton Page.
Are you saying that John Page married his daughter in law?
Gerald Gallagher
Subj: Re: Conflicting information
Date: 04/16/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-04-16 14:52:50 EDT, you write:
<< In your John Lott chart under Sarah Lott #41, you state that John Page had a second marriage to Mary Isadora Tincher after 1870.
In the book, Harrison County, Texas, Caucasian Residents in 1880 by Nancy Blakeley Ruff published in 1987 on page 285, the author states that Sam Page, the youngest son of John Page and Sarah Lott, married Mary Isadora Tincher. They had two children: Tessie who married --- Hall and Travis Benton Page.
Are you saying that John Page married his daughter in law?
Gerald Gallagher
No, I've got something messed up. I have heard of a guy who was his own grandpaw, however. Thanks, I'll try to fix it.
Subj: loved your Lotts Circle
Date: 98-04-22 16:19:59 EDT
From: USER MACKS
To: JBarron933
Hello John,
After spending the past few hours reading all the Lott information, I must say I'm impressed. Thanks so much for sharing with all of us.
I am descended from the Mississippi Lott family through Julia Lott McClendon, daughter of John (b. 1831) and Margarette Pounds Lott, son of Joshua (b. 1802) and Rosanna Barnes Lott. For the past 20 years I've been snatching moments to research my family's history, saving whatever scraps of information I could locate. Although I live in Purvis (Lamar Co.), MS which is near the University of Southern Mississippi, it is difficult to get to the library as often as I would like.
Dan Lott and I have shared information (off and on) for a number of years, however, we haven't talked recently. I think I've given him everything I have on the family, so you probably already have what I've collected. After I learned of Dan's work, I began concentrating my efforts for the Lotts toward getting the information on Julia Lott McClendon's descendants. I will, however, go over my Lott file to see if I have anything that might be useful to you.
I noticed some of the Circle researchers mentioned a connection with a Benjamin Richardson family. I am also connected to the Richardson's who migrated to Louisiana (this from my father's maternal branch). I may have some information that you could pass on to that researcher. I'll check on that also.
Thanks again for taking the time and trouble to share. I've thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
Best Regards, Donna McClendon McGuyer
Subj: Re: Elizabeth Magee
Date: 98-04-24 23:33:47 EDT
From: Lucbick
To: JBarron933
ISorry I have not answered about Sampson Pope and Elizabeth Magee before now. My volunteer work has comsumed my time--after May 8 I'll have more time. We are having our second Senior Market Expo. We sold 108 booths last year and we are over 110 and more coming in.
I have a book about the Pope's that goes back to the 1624.
Elisha Magee married Mary Pope, Sampson Pope married Ester Barnes, Jacob Pope married Sarah Lee, Henry Pope married Delileah Williams, Sampson Pope married Susannah Thomas, William Pope married Mary Haille, Henry Pope married Sara Watt, William Pope married Mary(Marie)???
Mary Elizabeth Magee married Thomas W. Lott, Elisha Magee married Mary Pope, Jackey Magee married Anna Tynes Futch, John Magee married Bethany Scott.
I am looking for the parents of Elias Warren married to Susannah Burford, parents of Colman Nichols married to Martha Pearce, parents of Arthur Pierce Tyner married to Elizabeth Lowe.
Also looking for info on Daniel Prine married to Sarah Gates, J. G. Raynes married to Nancy Brackin and John Davis Robertson married to Sarah Ellender Cox.
Seems both sides of my family came along similar routes to Mississippi.
Hope to get into some serious research after May 10.
I am still waiting for 3 family group sheets to complete the Henry Edward Tyner married to Florence Lott, daughter of Thomas W. Lott and Mary Elizabeth Magee.
Subj: (no subject)Joyner/Lott
Date: 98-04-27 09:42:03 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (E. Moss)
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To: email@example.com
Mr. Barron, I have just begun researching the Joyner family which you have connected with the Lott family of Edgecombe Precinct of NC. I descend from both the Watts and Lott lines in combination. There is an Isle of Wight Co., VA will of a John Joyner 1748 with Elizabeth named as marrying a Lott. He must be the one to whom you refer as brothers were Solomon and Absolom. Are you carrying your page further back on the Joyner line ? I recall that the Copeland family of SC also goes back to an Aaron Lott in Isle of Wight and in 1753, there was a John Lott who was the skipper of a schooner called "The Bedaw". In his book about Thomas Joyner by Ulysses P. Joiner, John Joyner of will of 1748 was the son of Bridgeman Joyner who was the son of Thomas Joyner 1694.
Subj: Re: Joyner/Lott
Date: 04/30/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-04-27 09:42:03 EDT, you write:
<< I have just begun researching the Joyner family which you have connected with the Lott family of Edgecombe Precinct of NC...I descend from both the Watts and Lott lines in combination. There is an Isle of Wight Co., VA will of a John Joyner 1748 with Elizabeth named as marrying a Lott. He must be the one to whom you refer as brothers were Solomon and Absolom. >>
So far there no direct evidence connects the Edgecombe Co. Lotts and Joyners, but there is indirect including deeds witnessed together, etc. I am satisfied that John is the husband of Elizabeth Joyner, but which John. I think it is the first one to show up in NC born c1700 while others think it is his son born c1720.
Would you like to join our on-line Lott research group? Looks like you're getting off to a good start on your research and we could use some "new blood". :-)
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Re: Joyner/Lott
Date: 98-05-01 12:16:09 EDT
From: email@example.com (E. Moss)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com (JBarron933)
JBarron933 wrote:
> << I have just begun researching the Joyner family which you have connected
> with the Lott family of Edgecombe Precinct of NC...I descend from both the
> Watts and Lott lines in combination. There is an Isle of Wight Co., VA will of
> a John Joyner 1748 with Elizabeth named as marrying a Lott. He must be the one
> to whom you refer as brothers were
> Solomon and Absolom. >>
> So far there no direct evidence connects the Edgecombe Co. Lotts and Joyners,
> but there is indirect including deeds witnessed together, etc. I am satisfied
> that John is the husband of Elizabeth Joyner, but which John. I think it is
> the first one to show up in NC born c1700 while others think it is his son
> born c1720.
> Would you like to join our on-line Lott research group? Looks like you're
> getting off to a good start on your research and we could use some "new blood". :-)
John, Thanks for getting back to me; I think your page is wonderful. Sue Miklas and my mother, who was a Watts, wrote each other and I have lost touch with her since my mother died. Have you seen the book regarding Thomas Joyner of Isle of Wight and Southampton Co., VA written by Ulysses P. Joyner ? He says Elizabeth Joyner's mother was Elizabeth Brown...So I have been trying to find which Brown. It would all seem to go back to Solomon Joyner of Edgecombe Co NC, John and Elizabeth Joyner of Isle of Wight Co., VA deeding land of a 1713 patent to a William Brown. This was recorded in Bertie Co. NC in 1740. Have you any hints for me on the possibilites of the Brown line ? I would love to be a part of the group. Right now I am in Washington DC at my daughter's address. I thought if there were any Brown leads I would follow them up when I went to the DAR library. I do know that Boddie who brought in John Brown to Isle of Wight had a daughter who married him. That Brown line was early in Bertie and would be a possibility. Let me know about the Joyner/ Brown leads so far. I will be at home in Fl about the middle of May and my address there is < firstname.lastname@example.com >
Subj: Re: Hornsbys of Covington Co. , MS
Date: 05/02/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-05-01 22:25:05 EDT, you write:
<< I am SO EXCITED!! A fellow Hornsby researcher, Rex McLaurin, just sent me an e-mail telling me about your website. My g g grandmother, Elizabeth Hornsby, was the daughter of John W. Hornsby and his 1st wife. I only knew the name of the 2nd wife , Susannah Saunders . I figured I'd never find out my ggg grandmother's name. According to the information you have, her name was Mary Watts, daughter of Thomas Watts and Elizabeth Lott! Would you mind sharing with me where you got this information? I would be so appreciative.Elizabeth Hornsby married Charles Cook Sibley in Covington Co. ,MS and then they moved to Livingston Parish , LA as did Elizabeth's father John W. Hornsby and wife Susannah , along with Elizabeth's half brothers and sisters. Do you know of anyone who might have knowledge of any other children of John W. Hornsby and his 1st wife , Mary Watts? This has made my day! I look forward to hearing from you.
Thomas Watts died about 1855 in Smith Co., TX, and in his will he named his children as heirs. He said "heirs of Mary Hornsby, dec'd, of Covington Co., MS" who is assumed to be a deceased daughter. According to Sue Miklas, of the Lott Circle <email@example.com>, she was the wife of John W. Hornsby. I'm not sure what her source is, but I'm sure she would be willing to share it with you.
John Barron, John Barron's Home Page
Subj: Joyner
Date: 98-05-02 11:37:09 EDT
From: email@example.com (Juliana Wiegert)
To: email@example.com
Dear John,
No, I haven't fallen off the face of the earth! I print out every message you all send around and I figure to piece them together in the next life - haha! I thought I'd tell you about some new Joyners that appeared on the Ancestral File at the LDS Family History Center. They did not reveal a new fully updated file yet, but I noticed there were some who made it on that were not added before. They will have the update in a few months. But the new Joyners are interesting. I will briefly tell you of them. I have verified nothing, just looked at it. It lists my Elizabeth Joyner Lott as the daughter of John Joyner, who also has Absalom and Solomon as sons, then John's parents are Thomas Joyner II, wife Elizabeth, this Thomas is b abt 1663, VA, the son of Thomas Joyner I, born abt 1619, England, died VA 21 MAY 1698, the son of Thomas Joyner, born abt 1595, BereRegis, Dorset, England. There are family group pages listing some or all of their children, but not many wives listed. I downloaded a gedcom file, so I could take it home and look at it longer. Let me know if you are interested and I will try to send you the file, or if you have a family history center available, I found them by putting in all my end of line people, Elizabeth Joyner Lott being one of them. Gotta go - the garden is sprouting and the chickens are growing!
Julie Wiegert
Subj: Re: Joyner
Date: 05/03/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-05-02 23:08:19 EDT, you write:
> It lists my Elizabeth Joyner Lott as the daughter of John Joyner, who
> also has Absalom and Soloman as sons, then John's parents are Thomas
> Joyner II, wife Elizabeth, this Thomas is b abt 1663, VA, the son of
> Thomas Joyner I, born abt 1619, England, died VA 21 MAY 1698, the son of
> Thomas Joyner, born abt 1595, BereRegis, Dorset, England.
I've seen the above information, but believe it is in error. John is a son of Bridgeman the son of Thomas Joyner the first according to Ulysses P. Joyner who wrote a book on the family. In fact he lives on some of the family property!..So this will be a point to discuss.
Thanks Arlina. This is the type of give and take that we like. If you could put together and send me a decendant chart with sources I will send it around the group for additional comments.
Subj: Joyner
Date: 98-05-03 19:04:35 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (E. Moss)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
This information is from JOYNER OF SOUTHAMPTON by Ulysses P. Joyner, Jr. A study of Thomas Joyner of Isle of Wight County , Virginia and his descendants in eastern Virginia and North Carolina with emphasis on the Joyners of Southhampton County, Virginia...including brief skethches of related families and abstracts of pertinent public records.....John Bennet Boddie in Vol 5 of HISTORICAL SOUTHERN FAMIILIES presents an outline of the Joyner family in America as compiled by a north Carolina representative of the family. The writer there apparently reaches two theories concerning Thomas Joyner's coming to this country and U. P. Joyner felt the second theory was more consistent with the known facts.
According to the second theory, Thomas Joyner left Port of London, England, in 1635 on the "Dorst" at age 16 bound for " Bermudoes " ( J.C. Hotten, ORIGINAL LISTS OF EMIGRANTS, 1600-1700 ).
In 1637 and the years immdeiately following, Thomas Joyner appears in the records of Accomac County, Virginia, as the attorney for Edward Robins. ( COLONIAL ABSTRACTS, vol. 32 ).Apparently Edward Robins was a merchant in London who shipped goods to Virginia in the care of Thomas Joyner, an indentured servant or apprentice. An affidavit of Edward Bennet in 1635 in England quoted by Boddie in SEVENTEENTH CENTURY ISLE OF WIGHT, supra, page 273-274, indicates that the ship " Revenge " sailed to Virginia sometime prior to 1635 with goods belonging to Edward Robins (one-half) and a firm named " Sir Lawrence, William Perryn, Ambrose Harmer and Nicholas Reyneberd." At least part of these goods were bound for Richard Bennet in Isle of Wight County.
An entry in 1637 in COLONIAL ABSTRACTS, Vo.. 32, supra, discloses that " Mr Reyneberd" delivered to Thomas Joyner upon Joyner's arrival one year previous the papers of Joyner's master " Mr. Robins "...... Further information is given then a type of summary:" It appears that Thomas Joyner came to Accomac County around 1635/1636 as a representive or indentured servant of Edward Robins; that Edward Robins died sometime before 1646 leaving two orphans daughters, elizabeth and Rachael, who were granted the patent of Edward Robins in Northampton Co., VA for the transportation of Thomas Joyner and others; and that Thomas Joyner later moved to Isle of Wight Co., VA, possibly at the expiration of the term of his indenture.
Further information is given from which this summary is given:the Thomas Joyner of Virginia was a son or nephew of Thomas Joyner, taylor, of Bere Regis, County Dorset, who died in 1658 and that he was apprenticed to Edward Robins, Merchant of London, sometime before he sailed for Virginia in 1635. The age analysis is consistent with the theory that he was a son of Thomas Joyner of Bere Regis and brother to William Joyner, merchant-taylor.
Thomas Joyner died 1694 in Isle of Wight without a written will. His son Thomas Joyner, Jr. was appointed to administer his estate and four separate affidavits are filed to establish his death bed wishes. ( Isle of Wight County Deed and Will Book 1, page 64. His son John Joyner received what his father had at his death as the others had their share before. More late.
Subj: Research
Date: 98-05-03 21:39:57 EDT
From: Lucbick
To: JBarron933
I had a phone call and letter from Eugene Gardner this past week. He is interested in the Tyner line. He also wanted to know if there were any Federal Records I needed copied. He would try to find them for me if I had enough information. He lives in Burtonsville, MD. Do you know of any?
Only had a short time at the Library in Macon, Ga on Saturday afternoon. I took my 92 year old aunt to a reunion. Her sister did did not get to Forsythe until Saturday afternoon. I could not leave her by herself for an extended time. I only had Saturday afternoon for about 2 1/2 hours.
I found the following: You may already have it.
QUERIES FROM Central Georgia Genealogical Society, Inc, 1996 Vol 18, No l.
90-728 Mary Heard Williams, 5800 Earl Dr, Lincoln, NE 68505-2321
Need parents & siblings of James Lott b-ab 1803 GA, D-1850 Hinds Co, MS, M- Ann E. Norris b-1805 SC, daughter of Luke & Ellender (Edmondson) Norris. Known children all b in MS: Elisha, Hiram R. m-Mary Williams, George, William F, m-Kate McGowen, James D, Catherine, Lucreta.
John Lott b-ab1742 Dublin Co, NC, son of John & Bethany (Joyner) Lott, d-Jul 1810 Telfair Co, GA. Known children: Mark m-Deliah Jones, Arthur D 1812 & family moved to MS, William b-1771, Robert b-ab 1773 & moved to MS, Jesse b-1775, Absalom b-1777, Luke Nathan b-1781, poss-Simon, Mary b-ab 1779. Would like to exchange info with MS descendents.
Need parents & Siblings of Hannah Brown b-1750 Halifax Co, VA, d- 1829 Anderson Co, SC, m ab 1773 Halifax Co, VA to Fenton Hall. Son Jonathan b-ab 1774, m-Delilah Allen r in Tallapoosa Co, AL.
I also found books referring to different Tyners. I sure need to go back and stay awhile.
The Genealogical & Historical Room of the Washington Memorial Library in Macon, Ga is the largest I have been in. Perhaps you have been there. They have books from the states up the East coast where the families travelled from to GA. There was a lady there that was very knowledgeable about the different sections and where to look for information you ask about. There were at least 12 or more people doing serious research--not like me.
I talked with Robert Shi from NC while in Forsythe. He is a computer person retired from IBM. He said he had hung out his professional genealogist sign. He had completed a study on a Campbell family. He is researching his Hill and Searcy Lines. Lucy
Subj: Joyner, next part
Date: 98-05-03 22:41:46 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (E. Moss)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
The known children of Thomas Joyner, died 1694, were Thomas Joyner, Jr., Bridgeman Joyner, William Joyner, Theophilus and John Joyner. It is also likely that he had daughters though there is no indications in the records of such.
In 1714, Bridgeman Joyner was among the first to patent land south of the Blackwater in what became Nottaway Parish of Isle of Wight County and still later Southampton County. This patent included 800 acres at the present "Joyner's Bridge". This bridge lies on the original main road leading from Isle of Wight Courthouse to Courtland, the county seat of Southampton.
Bridgeman Joyner died in 1719 having produced the following children: Elizabeth Bryant and Nathan Joyner, both of whom settled in North Carolina; and the following children who remained in Southampton and patented lands near his father in Southampton County: Bridgeman, John and Joshua. Bridgeman left no will and under the law of primogeniture, all his lands passed to his eldest son John. Bridgeman would have, in addition, his 300 a. from his father in 1683.In 1699, Bridgeman and wife Ann convey lands given to Bridgeman by his " father Thomas Joyner in 1683 (Isle of Wight Great Book/305 ).The author of the book lives on part of the patent.
Bridgeman had: Nathan, Joshua, Elizabeth m. John Bryant,Bridgeman and John m. Elizabeth Brown.
The children of John Joyner and Elizabeth Brown are : Absalom m. Elizabeth Beale; Solomon; Elizabeth m. John Lott; Martha m. Clark; Esther m. Beale and Joshua m. Martha.
John Joyner, Nottaway Parish, Isle of Wight Co., VA. died testate 1748 (IWB1/163. The will says only that Elizabeth married a ? Lott.
Absalom Joyner died testate Northampton Co., NC, 1800 ( NWB 2/200 )
Solomon Joyner in Nash Co., NC, in 1790 census.
Absalom Joyner in Northampton Co., NC, 1772 ( SDB 4/429 ) Deed from Hardy Beale ( father of Elizabeth, wife of Absalom ? )
Joshua Joyner was apparently the eldest son of JJohn Joyner, son of Bridgeman Joyner since he devised lands of Bridgeman Joyner, which had been passed to John Joyner, eldest son of Bridgeman. ( SWB 4/808) (SDB 9/89 ).
Will of Mary Joyner, sister of John Joyner, made devise to Elisha Joyner, of Joshua, of John in 1799 .(SWB 5/127 )
Absalom Joyner ( NWB 2/200 ) lists daughters: Cherry Broom, Ann Brown, Martha Broom and Winnifred Hays and sons: Jessee and Thomas as well as grandson Absalom Hays and granddaughter Rebekah Joyner.
John Joyner conveyed 325 a. of 1719 patent adjoing Joshua Joyner to Bridgeman Joyner, 1744. ( SDB 3/362.
John Joyner to Joshua Joyner 25 a. of 1719 patent, 1728. ( SDB 2/669).
Susannah Brown, John Warren and Grace Warren, his wife and Silvester Brown, all children of John Brown, convey to Elizabeth Joyner their sister 1713 patent to John Brown on W side Chowan River ( Bertie DB c/168 1729.( This could be Silvestra ).
Solomon Joyner patented land Edgecombe Precinct, NC 1744. Solomon Joyner of Edgecombe Precinct, John Joyner and Elizabeth Joyner of Isle of Wight Co., VA convey land to William Brown 1713 patent in Bertie Precinct ( Bertie DBF/344) 1740.
Solomon Joyner and John Lott witness deed in Edgecombe Precinct, NC, 1747 ( EDB 3/168 ).
Solomon Joyner conveys land in Edgecombe Precinct, NC 1751 ( HDB 4/110 )
John Lott and Elizabeth his wife convey land 1748 ( HDB 3/332 ).
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 98-05-04 19:20:43 EDT
From: DMorgen3
To: JBarron933
My name is Denise Davis. I wrote to you once before and you responded with the info to join the circle, but unfortunately it was somehow deleted. But now I have found your web page! I would still like to join.
My husband, Ricky Lynn Davis is a descendant of Elizabeth (Lott) Watts. I believe she was native American as my husband looks like he is Cherokee (people stop him and ask him all the time!). His mother also has strong Native American features. I have researched his family and have found no other Native Americans. Thought you might be interested.
Subj: Re:WATTS/HORNSBY connection
Date: 98-05-04 09:35:52 EDT
From: email@example.com (Lucy Barron)
To: email@example.com
Re: The message I just sent you. This person had a homepage listing the descendants of Moses HORNSBY. It is:
Lucy Barron (617) 495-2446
Senior Serial Cataloger e-mail: email@example.com
Widener Library, Rm. 87
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-05-05 01:11:15 EDT
From: DMorgen3
To: JBarron933
Hi John,
Here is more on my husband's ancestory:
Elizabeth Lott b ca 1782 SC d aft 1830 MS m
Thomas Watts b 1769 NC d 1848 Perry Co MS
Compiled by Marion Day Mullins
WATTS, Thomas--Smith County, Texas/page #176
2. Eloise (Watts) Medlin
Parents of:
Absalom L. Watts b ca 1811 GA, d 1889 Indian Terr./Tom Green Co. TX Occupation: Farmer m 1828 Covington Co. MS
Celia/Elsia/Selia Aultman b 16 Jul 1811 Telfair Co., GA d 28 sep 1886 McCulloch Co. TX
1. 1880 Census-Tom Green Co., TX
WATTS, A.L./age:70/born: GA/father born: GA/mother born: GA
Elsia/age:70/born: GA/father born: GA/mother born/ GA
1. 1880 Census-Tom Green Co., TX
WATTS, A.L./age:70/born: GA/father born: GA/mother born: GA
Elsia/age:70/born: GA/father born: GA/mother born/ GA
Celia's name is spelled "Selia" on her tombstone in Camp San Saba, Texas and Elsia on 1880 census.
Compiled by Marion Day Mullins
WATTS, Absylom--Smith County, Texas/page #176
2. Eloise (Watts) Medlin
3. Lodima (Watts) Jones
4. 1850 U.S. Census-Smith County, Texas
WATTS, Absolam/age:39/work: farmer/value prop.:$320/born: GA
Celia/age:39/work: wife/born: GA
Levinia/age:18/daughter/born: MS
John/age:16/son/born: MS
Elizabeth/age:12/daughter/born: MS
George/age:11/son/born: MS
Elbert/age:21/son/farmer/married during the year/born: MS
Permelia (BAREFOOT)/18/wife/married during the year/born: GA
5. The 1880 census shows A.L. Watts & family and Elbert Watts & family living next door to one another in San Angelo, Texas.
6. 1830 U.S. Census- Covington County, Mississippi Slaves/1
Parents of:
Elbert Watts b 6 Dec 1829 Covington Co MS d 15 Sep 1911 Camp San Saba TX m 11 Apr 1850 Smith Co., TX
Permelia Ann Barfoot/Barefoot b 12 Jul 1835 GA d 19 Sep 1911 Coleman, TX
1. Lodima (Watts) Jones
2. 1880 Census-Tom Green County, Texas
WATTS, Elbert/born: 12-6-1829, MS/father born: GA/mother born: GA
Permelia /born: 7-12-1835, GA/father born: GA/mother born: GA
Pauline Welder said she believed the Barefoot's had "Cherokee blood."
Mary Ann is buried in the old Military Cemetery at Camp Colorado, Coleman, Texas.
I'm not sure if the name is Barfoot, Barefoot or Bearfoot.
Vera Francis Morris believes she was told by her mother that "Mary was a Barefoot but her tribe was Blackfoot.
Elbert and Permelia were married by a preacher named Ray
Parents of:
John Watts b 11 Apr 1862 Coleman Co TX d 7 May 1937 Coleman Co TX m bef 1882 Burial: 5 Aug 1937 Rocky Creek Cem., Brown, TX
Martha Angaline "Angie" Hogue b 7 May 1861 Mason Co Tx d 6 Jul 1934 Burial: 7 Jun 1934 Rocky Creek Cem., Brown, Texas.According to William Wesley Morris, John Watts was a Native American who was snatched as a very small boy by Albert Watts when the tribe was attacked.
This would mean that only John Watts and his decendants would be related to the family. Other family members say that this is not true, which I as well suspect it is not.
Lodima (Watts) Jones said that John was 1/2 cherokee and was one of the first white babies born in Coleman County.
Vera Francis Morris said that John Watts died a natural death in his eighties.
Bertie Beatrice Morris told us that Martha was from Ireland and that she was Black Dutch.
Lodima (Watts) Jones said that Martha lived 7 miles NW of Bangs.
Places of Residence:Bangs, TX and Camp Colorado, TX.
(John, somewhere I have a story from an old book in which John Watts talks about his life and fighting Indians. I will find it and send it to you...)
Parents of :
Kizzie Watts b 16 Dec 1895 Comnche, Mason Co TX d 26 Nov 1969 Odessa, TX Burial: Santa Ana Cem. Died of an aneurism. m George Arthur Morris b 22 June 1895 Hassie, Leon Co TX d 5 Jun 1955
Parents of:Lora Larisa Morris m Charles Wayne Davis
Parents of Ricky Lynn Davis m Denise Christine Morgenroth
Parents of Dakota Aaron Davis
If you would like any more information on the siblings of any of these folks just let me know!
Bye, Denise
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 05/05/98
To: DMorgen3
Thanks, Denise, for the excellent chart. I have routed it around the Lott Circle. I'm sure you will get some comments.
There are a number of points that I would like to discuss, but will need to print out your info in order to better understand it. For one thing, the death date that you have for Thomas Watts is incorrect as he died in Smith Co., TX, 1853/4. I've seen the Perry Co. date before and don't know where it came from. Perhaps there was another man with the same name who died there. Also, to my knowledge Thomas Watts was not in what is now Texas in the "early" days before the Republic, but was living in Covington Co., MS. Marion Day Mullins's 1828/30 census shows a Thomas Watts, but I'm not sure just who he was.
You've certainly collected a tremendous amount of Indian legends. They abound in the Lott/Watts family lore are so many that they must mean something, although I don't put any stock in them. I haven't found any that predate 1890 and feel they are fabrications.
Will get back to you soon,
Subj: Re: Lott information
Date: 05/14/98
To: Lucbick
In a message dated 98-05-13 11:06:25 EDT, you write:
<< John do we know where the Lotts and any related families came from to America? I have a cousin interested in visiting places in England and Europe in July that were places where relatives lived many years ago. Thanks for any information.
Lucy, they were clearly English, but I don't know from what part. I'd like to get info from others in the circle concerning this question. My GUESS is from Southern England in the counties around the city of Bristol such as Gloucester, Somerset, and Dorset. The key may also lie in the origin of the Joyner family too. The following item is from Dan Lott's Web of Kinship manuscript which shows a John Lott "of Bristol." Dan also has some other data from English records that are worth checking into in his paper.
Perhaps one of the most intriguing stories found to date in England has been extracted from Somerset and Dorset Notes and Queries (Page 203, Vol 9, 1904-1905) edited by F.W. Weaver and C.H. Mayo. This article is particularly interesting in that the John Lott mentioned could be the one mentioned later in this narrative and who indentures himself to Samuel Hatton, receiving transportation to the New World. The article was found at the Weymouth Library, Dorset, England and is provided below:
Somerset and Dorset Prisoners at Algiers -- The redeemed captives, whose names are printed below, were probably some of the 300 British slaves in Algiers, whose petition to the King, dated 26 Feb 1662, asked for a collection to be made in English churches to raise a fund for their ransom, that they might spend the best part of their years in his Majesty's service, the most of them still being in "the May of their lives". These had been taken near Gibralter by Turks of Algiers; the pirates had 40 vessels of 200 tons and 400 men each; they had put up Flemish colours, sent their Christians on deck, so as to pass the English Frigates undisturbed, and then seized the merchant vessels; some of the victims were slain in the conflict, the survivors "groaning under a woeful and intolerable captivity; through making "supplication to rigid death" for a passport, also supplicated Charles II as supplicated above (State Papers Domestic, Charles II, Vol 51, No. 24). The Algiers duty instituted for the redemption of captives from the hands of the Turks (Treasury Papers, Calendar 1660-1667, P. 152), and the individual acts of mercy like those of Sir Kenelon Digby, who had in 1628 spent 1650 pounds in redeeming slaves, and Henry Hunt, Commander of Zebulon of London, and Thomas Raymond, a merchant, who had about 1661 redeemed Hugh Roydon of Bristol and two other captives at Algiers, afforded inadequate relief to the perpetual piracy of the Mediterranean Turks. Digby, Hunt, and Raymond were refunded in part, at least, by the King (State Papers, Domestic, Charles II, Calendar 1661-1662, Pgs 8, 104, and 113) What sum was collected in the churches in 1662 does not appear. Presumably the agents for the redemption on this occasion were Dr. John Bargrove and John Sellect, B.D. Archdeacon of Bath, to who license was granted on Sep 16th, 1662 to leave the kingdom for redeeming English slaves at Algiers (State Papers, Domestic, Charles II, Calendar 1661-1662, Pgs 489 and 490). The following names are taken from the list of captives redeemed by "the Archbishops, Bishops, Deans, and Chapters of the Church of England" from the Kingdom of Algiers in Nov A.D. 1662 printed i Mercurius Publicus, No. 1, Thursday, Jan 1st to Thursday, Jan 8 1662/1663.
List of Captives
Dorsetshire Somersetshire
Robert Gale of Weymouth
Hatten Watts, of Bridgewater
Roger Ashley of Weymouth
John Carpenter of Taunton
Anthony Bartram of Pool
John Lot of Bristol
Thomas Gatechel of Weymouth
Edward Barber of Bristol
Philip Burt of Corke
John Oatley of Bristol
William Cave of Gillingham
William Davis of Bristol
Thomas Rouls of Bristol
Subj: Re: Lott information
Date: 05/14/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-05-14 11:42:43 EDT, you write:
<< Well, this is totally off the wall. But did you notice the Thomas Rouls of Bristol. Remember the Judith RAWLS?
Humm, young eyes coming to the front again. Interesting.
Subj: John Watts Bio
Date: 98-05-15 00:40:59 EDT
From: DMorgen3
To: JBarron933
Hi John,
Here is the Bio I said I would send.
It comes from a book titled "INTO THE SETTING SUN: BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCHES BY PIONEER CITIZENS", p 141-146.
I do not know the author's name.
Someone sent me photocopies of these pages in this book and told me that it was no longer in print and very few copies were made... Please share this with the circle.
Denise Davis
By what happy chance my footsteps were directed today I cannot say. Be that as it may, not chance but guiding star must have set at the wheel. The path led through about three miles of deep sand over a country road which wound its tortuous way in and out of the thick post oak woods, through numerous gates, deep into the heart of Gobbler Hollow, where was the end of the trail.
In the little weather-beaten house set high on the rocky hillside lives an old man--alone except for a small grandson about eight years old.
The old man's name is Watts. "just plain John Watts--no doubt about it." Mr. Watts is in very feeble health and confined to his bed. This is the story he told me, and despite the fact that his voice was weak and his breath came sometimes with difficulty, the light which glowed in his keen black eyes (relics of an Indian ancestry) and the flashing smile which often came at some vivid recollection, lighting up his rugged countenance, portrayed the wealth of memories in store.
"I was born at Camp Colorado in 1860, inside the army post. My father belonged to the regular army in Mississippi--I don't remember what regiment or who commanded it--and came with his regiment to Camp Colorado in Coleman county, Texas, in 1860. He brought my mother and my two small brothers with him. They lived inside the post. where I was born later that same year.
"The Army headquarters was all joined together and surrounded by a high wall built of rock.
"My grandparents, on my mother's side, named Barefoot, came with them and settled down the creek from the post. The range of hils on their place was named the Barefoot Mountains.
"My father's two brothers, Lem and John Watts, came and also settled on a creek which flowed into Jim Ned on the south side. This creek was later called Watts Creek, after my uncles. All my people who have died here are buried in the old Military Cemetery at Camp Colorado. Judge Malcolm Hunter, who lived farther down the creek, was related to my grandfather. My father was in the army with F. M. Alexander and Johnny Sheen at Camp Colorado. Both men stayed in Coleman county when the soldiers left.
"I also knew the St. Clairs, who settled on the Jim Ned while the Army Post was down on Home Creek. John St. Clair was a ranger.
"We had a little school up there by the time I was old enough to go to school. I don't remember the teacher's name, but I know he was a man and guarded the children home from school."
When asked if he had ever seen any Indians, Mr. Watt's smile became broad and indulgent as he exclaimed, "Oh, my goodness, I reckon I have and fought 'em too." Another memeber of the party asked if he remembered where any Indian fights took place. Still smiling, he slyly observed, "Just sherever we run upon 'em."
"I joined the Rangers when I was about sixteen years old, at Weed, New Mexico, under Cpt. Wilkinson. One of my uncles was living at Roswell then, and that was how I come to be up there. My range was in West Texas towards El Paso. I only stayed in service four months. We had to furnish our own horses, but the government furnished everything else. Soon after I joined I was sent out with a scout after a bunch of Indians who had stolen some horses. We ran upon the Indians and chased them into a brushy thicket. One Indian was shot down and left for dead. I, being young and inexperienced in the ways of the Indian, ran rightly up to see the dead Indian. As I cme near he raised himself and shot me in the thigh with a poisoned arrow. The Indian was too badly wounded to get away, but he could still shoot. The rest of the Scout came on up then and killed the Indian and took me back to camp. I was awful sick and it took my so long to get well that when my first discharge came, I went on back home. The rest of the Indians got away in the brush but they had to leave their horses and everything they had. We took them all back to camp with us, horses, saddles, bows and arrows, shields, and war bonnets.
"The Indian saddles we got were made of two forked sticks with a piece of buffalo hide stretched tight over them. One of the chief's bonnets was made out of two panther hides with the tails hanging down the back. Another war bonnet was made out of striped polecat hides and i sure did smell loud." (In reading about Indians, we learn that one of his princiipal characteristics is his love of bad smells--even putrified food.)
"The Indians always made their raids on moonlight nights so they could see to travel all night. After they stole a bunch of horses, they would set the grass afire and escape in the smoke.
"After I quit ranging I rode herd up the Trail after many a bunch of Texas longhorn cattle. There were two trails running through Coleman county at the time. One came from Brownwood and passed north of Santa Ann Mt., on what is now known as the Coleman and Comanche road. The other trail followed the old wire road from Fort Mason and passed through the gap of Santa Anna Mt., to join the first road as it wandered on through Coleman county and out upon the plains, to cross Red River at Doans Crossing, never entirely stopping this side of Abilene, Kansas. My boss on the trail was Dock Burnet, and he sure was gook to his cowboys. Mr. Burnet bought cattle from John Chisum in Coleman and Mason counties. Mr. Chisum kept a big picket corral down in Mason county, and one on Home Creek in Coleman county. When the weather began to get warm in the spring, he would come out, riding a big black horse, buying up his cattle along the way. Mr. Chisum would have the boys round up a herd and hold them in the corral in Mason county for Mr. Burnet to look at. While he was picking his herd, we held them in the corral on Home Creek. Mr. Burnet would bring his money in a big bag, called a wallet, tied to his saddle horn. When he got to the corral he would untie the strings and toss his wallet on the ground by the fence, where it would lay for three or four days while he was getting his cattle rounded up, and nobody ever bothered it. When he got all the cattle he wanted, Mr. Burnet called every man to step up who had sold him any cattle and tell him how much he owed him. As each man passed by and called out the amount, Mr. Burnet would say 'all right' and hand it over. No books was ever kept--every man's word was as good as his bond.
"When everybody was paid off, we was ready to start. We would string the cattle out in groups of about five hundred and start them about five miles apart. We had to graze them along the way so they would be fat when we got to market. Sometimes it took us three months to make the trip. We had to keep a strong lookout all the time for Indians.
"We sold the cattle and all the horses, too, and Mr. Burnet brought us back in the chuck wagon.
"I also drove cattle for Mr. O'Neal. We sold his cattel (sic) at Marietta, Kansas.
"John Chisum took lots of his cattle to Roswell, New Mexico. They were shipped form there to Kansas."
Experiences on the Reservation of the Upper Brazos:
"Once when I was coming back from a trip up the rrail with Mr. Burnet, I stopped at Roswell for a visit with my uncle, who had moved out there. Mr. Burnet didn't want to leve me, as I would have to come back by myself through the Indian Reservation.
"I stayed anyway, as I had been through the Reservation many times and the Indians hadn't bothere us. When I got ready to start home, my uncle told my not to pay them any mind, but just go right on and they wouldn't bother me. When the Indians saw me they all come out of their tents and jabbered at me. I didn't even stop, but just hurried on The weather was awful cold and snow covered the ground everywhere. I wanted to find a sheltered place to camp. I found a trail leading into the woods, and I followed it a piece. Pretty soon I found myself right back among the Indians. I tried several trails, but they all wound up at the place where the Indians was. I was so cold and tired that I just had to stop soon. Finally I found a Big log which fell down and was lying flat on the hillside in the snow. I set the log afire and warmed myself. Then I unsaddled my horse, and threw my saddle down near the fore for a pillow, spread my blanket and rolled up in it, and tried to go to sleep. I could hear the hoot owls in the trees and the panthers and coyotes howling on the mountains, but I wasn't afraid of them. It was the Indians that worried me. I finally dozed off to sleep when I was waked by something which jumped over me with a loud grunt. I jumped up scared to death that the Indians was after me, but it was only a bear.
"I didn't go to sleep again that noght and was sure glad to see morning come so I could travel again."
Indian Village
"I went through an Indian village once on the Reservation and walked around between the tents. A little Indian stuck its head out from the small opening and watched me. The way they make the tents was to take two long poles and set them up in the center with shortyer poles put close together all around. Then they covered the poles with thick buffalo hides and staked them down at the bottom, mostly with rocks piled around them. Then they cut brush and set it up all around outside of that.
"They just left one small hole to go in and out of. They also left hole in the top to let the smoke out. They built a fire in the middle of the tent on the ground. The tents was set in a circle looking toward a bluff, so close together that there was just enough room to walk between them.
"Another time I ws going through the Reservation with my cousin and two other men, when an Indian began running through the sagebrush along with me, tryig to take my horse and jabbering at me in either Indian or Spanish. Most all the Indian tribes could understand Spanish. I wouldn't let him have my bridle reins, and then he tried to get hold of my cousin's horse, but my cousin said, 'No, this horse don't belong to me. I can't let you have it.' It made me so mad that I pulled my gun to kill the Indian. Just as I was about to shoot, a white man raised up near me and says, 'Don't shoot. Look all around you!' I looked: and here and there from the sage was raised Indians' heads, dozens of them. I changed my mind about shooting and the white man, whose name was Bill Kellam, said, 'Let me take the horse and care for him for you and when you are ready to leave I'll give him to you,' which he did.
"Bill Kellam was living with the Indians and had a squaw wife. He had gone to live with them voluntarily, leaving a family in Williamson county. The way he learned to like the Indians was one time he had been captured by them and carried to the Reservation. There ws another white man with him. At night the Indians built a fire and had a war dance around it. The Indians all had heavy clubs in their hands, and they brought the two captives in and danced around them. At each round a painted buck would knock them down with his club. Kellam said he saw they would soon be killed anyway, so he thought he had just as well die fighting, so he grabbed one of the clubs from a big buck and knocked him down with it. The Indian got up, grinned and patted Kellam on the back and grunted, 'You warrior." The Indians then adopted him into their tribe. The other man, who was crying and begging for his life was burned at the stake.
Subj: Re: John Watts Bio
Date: 05/15/98
To: DMorgen3
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com
It comes from a book titled "INTO THE SETTING SUN: BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCHES BY PIONEER CITIZENS", p 141-146. I do not know the author's name.
Denise, thank you so much for the most interesting sketch. I will forward it to the Lott Circle. I will try to find out more about the publication through the Library of Congress or my daughter [you who Lucy] who is a librarian at Harvard. I think it noteworthy that the old man did not make a claim to being Indian himself in the narrative and like most people of the time was contemptible of the Indians.
Subj: citation
Date: 98-05-15 15:03:19 EDT
From: email@example.com (Lucy Barron)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Does this sound like the same thing?
Author: Gay, Beatrice Grady.
Title: Into the setting sun : a history of Coleman County / by Beatrice Grady Gay ; drawings by Mollie Grady Kelley.
Pub. info.: [Santa Anna, Tex.] : B.G. Gay, [1936?]
x, 193 p. : ill. ; 21 cm.
Spine title: Coleman County.
The Library of Congress (non-lending) plus many, many lending libraries in Texas have this book; so you should be able to get it on ILL.
Subj: Re: Fwd: John Watts Bio
Date: 98-05-18 12:58:55 EDT
From: email@example.com
This has nothing to do with John Watts that I know of except I'm trying to e-mail to everyone.
I was e-mailed by "Charles P. Phillips" <email@example.com> asking if I am a descendant of Aaron Lott's family of Fairfield Co., SC and of Carroll County, MS.
"I have to confess that I'm not sure but am thinking that my lineage goes back of Arthur "Killed by the Indians" Lott then John Lott of various counties in Colonial America. However, you might be interested in this home page, especially the 8th section. We have a group of the Lott Circle who regularly e-mail each other with new researched and confirmed information. Let us know if you would like to join the e-mail circle:
John Barron's Home Page at http//members.aol.com/jbarron933/index.html "
Hasn't someone been corresponding about the Aaron Lott branch? I know that temporarily John Lott et al went back to S.C. as a Loyalist, but where does Aaron fit in or does he?
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 05/18/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-05-18 17:01:24 EDT, you write:
<< Thought I would pass this along as I don't remember seeing this before now. LOYALISTS IN NORTH CAROLINA DURING THE REVOLUTION by Robert O. Demond, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc, Baltimore, copyrt.1940.Pages 258/259
Appendix D: consists of lists of those in NC who received pensions from the British Government. Names certify loyalty of certain families within the state to the King's cause. This list is believed to be complete.
Loyalists Quarterly Pension Lists Allowances 1798: Phillips, Rev. Jn. Lott
Loyalists Quarterly Pension Allowances 1802: Phillips, Mary widow of John Lott Min 9th April 1892 ( Treasury 50, Vol.
XVlll. E.R. 16) Arlina < email@example.com >
Thanks, Arlina, this is very interesting. Don't know who this Rev. John Lott was. However, Solomon Lott was known to be in North Carolina during the Rev. War and there may be a connection. Looks like Rev. Lott's widow remarried a Phillips sometime before 1798.
John Barron
Subj: Re: Lotts
Date: 05/19/98
To: RLDOZIER
In a message dated 98-05-19 07:52:35 EDT, you write:
<< Are you familiar with a female Lott who married a John Greene. On the death certificate of their son, Ephrian Tillman Greene in McDuffie Co., Ga, the name appeared to be Wiley or Wilry Lott, but none of us in the McDuffie Co., Ga. court house could determine just what the mother's name was. >>
Thanks for your request Becky. I have routed it around the Lott Circle and perhaps someone will recognize the family. Willie was a relative common nickname for girls about this time period, maybe this was it. I don't know anything specific about this family, however.
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Re: Jackson, MS research
Date: 05/23/98
To: Lucbick
In a message dated 98-05-22 16:34:57 EDT, you write:
<< I will be in Jackson next week. I will have a little time to go to the state archives. Is there anything that I could look up that would help with the Lott research?
Thanks, Lucy, I routed your message to the group. You might check for early Lott records in Adams Co., MS. Also anything they might have on reparations to people who might have lost property in Creek War of 1812-14.
Subj: Lotts
Date: 98-05-26 14:08:10 EDT
From: FLSHILLING
To: JBarron933
I am amazed at your computer knowledge to put all of this information together. I have finally gotten software for genealogy and have gotten a bit more familiar with what I'm doing. Still learning though. A review of your timeline might show John Lott along with Jacob Pope, and John Pope , in Edgecomb Precent paying 2000 pounds as administrators for Thomas Roberts, late of Edgecomb dated the 15th day of February 1736. This is from the NC State Archives. The book by the Paulks, Lott Families of Wiregrass Georgia seems to be very accurate. It includes a copy of information of my papers for the Colonial Dames, 17th Century. However, there is a John Lott line the I found at the Library of Congress, that descends from New York, and some of them spent winters and part of the time of the Revolutionary war, hiding in our South. I didn't follow this line, since it wasn't mine. I don't know for sure if any of this information is new, but if it is I hope it helps someone. D. Shilling
Subj: Re: Lotts
Date: 05/26/98
To: FLSHILLING
In a message dated 98-05-26 14:08:10 EDT, you write:
<< A review of your timeline might show John Lott along with Jacob Pope, and John Pope , in Edgecombe Precinct paying 2000 pounds as administrators for Thomas Roberts, late of Edgecombe dated the 15th day of February 1736. >>
Thanks for the kind words. I do have the event concerning Thomas Roberts in the time line, but the abstract I found did not name the Popes. Haven't found a connection to the Roberts family, but some were in Isle of Wight Co. where I think the Lotts were prior to coming to NC.
I hadn't heard about the John Lott from New York spending time in the south during Rev. War. That's interesting. I had run across a Abraham Lott in NC from New Jersey (I think) about that time period. They may be related.
John Barron
Subj: RE: ORIGINAL LOTT DOCS OF CHATOM, AL
Date: 98-05-27 21:58:02 EDT
From: email@example.com (susan.miklas)
To: email@example.com (John Barron)
I finally received today, copies of the original Deed of Gift, 4 Feb 1807, from John Lott to ch: Elizabeth, Arthur, John, Robert, Jesse, Fannie, Sarah. Also, mentions his brothers, Robert and Jesse.
The Will of John Lott, Sr, 14 April 1808, names children: Luke, Elizabeth, Robert, John Jr, Jesse. He appoints his good friend, John Lott, as exec.
Getting these copies involved a "County Researcher" and took awhile. I will make copies and send them along by slow mail.
Maybe John Sr and John were 1st cousins to duplicate names as they did. We can talk about it some more after you seen these copies of originals.
I hate it when a professional like Andrea gets it wrong.
How is you father?
Subj: RE: ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS OF CHATOM, AL
Date: 98-05-27 21:58:04 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (susan.miklas)
To: email@example.com (John Barron)
I finally received today, copies of the original 1807 Deed of Gift from John Lott to his children; Will of John Lott Sr in 1808; 2 Deeds from Elizabeth to Luke.
You were right that they were different John Lotts.
The Deed of Gift, 5 Feb 1807, from John Lott to ch:
Elizabeth, Arthur, John, Robert, Jesse, Fannie and Sarah.
Subj: Re: Lotts
Date: 98-05-27 22:19:51 EDT
From: FLSHILLING
To: JBarron933
I didn't mean to mislead you. I didn't read that John Lott had spent time in the south, but some of the family that I was reading about. There was a John Lott in this family. I have read about Abraham Lott too. I photostated the papers with the information mentioned earlier when I was researching at the N.C. Archives, the first line says"Know all Men by these Prefents, That We John Lott, Jacob Pope and John Pope all of Edgecomb Precinet", .......to be paid to the said Gabriel Johnston..." which I suspect to be the court recorder. Anyway, sometimes one can luck up with family connections through names on court documents, so maybe I have helped you a little. Good Luck. D. Shilling
Subj: Fwd: ORIGINAL LOTT DOCS OF CHATOM, AL
Date: 05/29/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, email@example.com
Sue, has obtained copies of the original deeds from old Washington Co., MS Territory and will make them available to us. I have only seen abstracts and secondary published copies.
Subj: Re: ORIGINAL LOTT DOCS OF CHATOM, AL
Date: 05/29/98
To: email@example.com
Thanks, Sue, maybe we can find another piece of the puzzle once and for all. Using the Lott timeline about 1806-7 and following these people from GA to MS is very interesting. All the grown men are there in both places. Reading between the lines seems to say that there was a financial downturn in GA about this time and maybe caught the Lotts in it.
There were, of course, several grown John Lotts paying taxes and buying land then so I'm not sure who the "friend John Lott" was. Couldn't have been a son or father, though, could it from the way it was written.
Dad's not doing too well. I had to put him in a nursing home as he could not cope with his household and bills, etc. I'm going up to Corsicana every several weeks to take care of things. It get pretty hectic, but necessary for now.
Subj: Re: Barefoot
Date: 98-05-29 14:57:21 EDT
From: SallyMBU
To: JBarron933
Elbert Watts was my great-great grandfather. My information is that he was born December 6, 1829 in Mississippi, d. Sept. 5, 1911 in Rochelle, TX, he was married to P. Ann Barfoot Watts, born July 12, 1835 in Georgia, died Sept. 9, 1911 in Katemcy, TX. One paper I have says P. Ann another says Pearl Ann Barfoot Watts. John and Rchel Barfoot were her parents. Elbert Watts' parents were Cealy Watts, died at 85 years of age in 1886 in Katemcy, TX, born and raised in Mississippi and Abbsens Watts, 87 years old when he died in 1888 in Oklahoma. He was born and raised in Mississippi. I am trying to pin down which of the branches had Indian blood. My aunt, now 90 years old says that her great grandfather came to visit them in TX from OK. He wore his hair in braids and lived as an Indian (a life style he preferred) I do have more information and am happy to share it. I am just beginning to learn how to trace my family tree and am mostly relying on information from relatives and have begun to surf the net. Your information was so professional!! I plan to visit your home page. Thanks for responding!!! I would appreciate any information you are willing to share.
Subj: Fwd: Barefoot/Watts
Date: 05/29/98
To: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
All Watts (and some Lott) descendants think they have Indian blood. My thinking on this is that it stems from hearing about the famous half breed Indian chief named John Watts (son of Bushyhead?). Many efforts were made by Watts and Lott descendants to secure land grants in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma) based on little or no evidence and all were to my knowledge rejected. Does anyone have any evidence of claims of Indian ancestry by Lott/Watts people prior to about 1890?
John Barron
Subj: Lott/Watts
Date: 05/30/98
To: SallyMBU
Sally, thanks for your Watts/Barefoot response. I think you will find the info on my web page very useful. You may not know it now but you are also a Lott descendant. I have a group of on-line researchers who exchange Lott information. I'd like to put your name on the list. Let me know.
Since you are just getting started, it is natural to use information from the family. You will find, however, that it is not always reliable and must always be verified by original research. For instance, I think that Permelia Ann Barfoot's father was actually William Barfoot who lived in the Starrville community in Smith Co., TX, in 1850 along with the Watts/Lott families. This William had a wife named Rachael and a son named John. This couple also moved to McCullough Co., TX, with the Watts families in 1860. Permelia was already married and living with Elbert in his father Absalom Watts' household. Absalom's wife was Celia Aultman. Absalom was the son of Thomas Watts and Elizabeth Lott, daughter of Absalom Lott. You can find all this information and documentation to back it up on my web page. Give it a try by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page
I would love to get your information beginning with Elbert Watts (down to the youngest baby). Elbert Watts and his children gave a series of affidavits in Mason Co., TX, about 1890. This too is on the web page. He was trying to document Indian ancestry in order to obtain land in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma). All this was rejected as it was hearsay and purported to information before he was born. There is no valid information concerning Indians and the Watts/Lott line that we are kin to. There was a John Watts who was a half breed Indian chief in the early 1800's, but there is no evidence that he was related to us. These are merely romantic myths in my opinion, but I would love to have any information that you might have on the subject.
John Barron
Subj: Re: Lott/Watts
Date: 98-05-31 13:46:49 EDT
From: SallyMBU
To: JBarron933
You were right! I found my relatives among the Watts information. I would be happy to share any information I have. The information was simply written down by different family members. Some of the information is from headstones. My Great grandparents - William M. Turner born Sept. 3, 1851 in Selma (or Selman) TX Died Jan.2, 1917 at Camp San TX. His wife Artie M. Watts Turner, born July 9, 1851 in Burnett TX died Jan. 26, 1920 at Katemcy TX both buried at Camp San Saba Cemetary. They had 10 choldren: Elder Walter, b. 12-11-1870 d. 10-1-42; S.B. (Salis) born May 10, 1874 d. 1960; Florence, b. 11-11-1875, d. 6-18-1875; Flora Grace (Jordan) b. 10-5-1878, d. 2-15-1936; Oscar b.8-7-1880, d. 11-20-1931; Will b 12-2-1882, d. 12-10-1964; Cora (Walker) b. 2-18-1884, d. 1-1-1977; Martha Ann (Sallee) <my grandmother> b. 1-10-1886, d 6-16-1977; A.D."Dence" b. 9-29-1889, d. 4-25-1963; A.L. "Babe" b. 1-17-1892 d. 12-20-1953. All buried at Bethel (I believe at TX) except Cora, who was buried at San Angelo TX.
Elder Walter Turner m. Emma Laye VanPelt on Feb 1, 1894 in Mason TX. They had 8 children. The first died within a few days and is buried at Samp San Saba Cemetery. Emma Laye VanPelt b. 1-20-1876 in Mason Co d. 11-20-1947, she was the daughter of George and Martha Ann VanPelt.
Children of Elder and Emma: Artie Turner White, b. 1-4-1897 in Weed, NM
Leonard Burton, b. 10-21-1900 in Mason CO d. 6-3-1961 in Lohn TX, buried REst Haven Cemetery, Brady TX
Charlie Clarence "Jack" b. 11-12-1902 in Coleman CO d. in San Angelo TX buried REst Haven C. Brady, TX
Eula Mae "Dude" Turner Culvahouse, b. 1-6-1907 in Mason Co. in kermit TX
Fred Allie Turner Walther, b. 1-6-1907 in Mason Co lived in San Antonio
William M. Turner "Little Turner" b. 5-27-1909 Mason Co. d. 10-23-1963 in San Antonio buried in Greenwood Cemetery in Fredericksburg TX
Emma Lelleni Turner Weinheimer "Midge" b. 5-31-1915 in Mc Culloch Co.
Parents of Artie Watts; Elbert Watts b.12-6-1829 in Mississippi d. 9-5-1911 in Rochelle TX his wife: Pearl Ann Barfoot Watts b. 7-12-1835 in Georgia d. 9-9-1911 in Katemcy, TX
Parents of William M. Turner: W.R. Turner, Born Feb 12, 1822 in Miss. d. 3-12-1904, wife Martha Ann Turner, b. 10-20-1829 in Tenn. d. in Katemcy, TX. Children William Turner, Abe Turner, Edd Turner, Charlie Turner, Lizzie Turner Burnes, Kate Turner Rorak.
As a child (in the mid 50's) I went with my grandmother Martha Ann Turner Sallee and her sister Cora Turner Walker to Weed New Mexico to visit a relative of theirs, a cousin I believe. His name was El Watts.
As you can see I don't really have a format. Sorry this seems very disorganized, but I am just beginning to see some connections. I will be getting together a list of the other relatives and will forward them to you. I would love to be on your mailing list. Thanks again for all of the information you sent. I do believe that there is Indian blood somewhere in the family. My older relatives look like they are part Indian. My mother was told by her dentist that she must be part Indian be cause she has a peculiar bone structure inside her jaw that is very common to Indians. We have always been told that we have Indian ancestors and none of these people have anything to gain by perpetuating a story. I look forward to hearing from you I have a lot of work to do now!!! Sally
Subj: RE: ABRAHAM LOTT
Date: 98-06-01 14:08:26 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (susan.miklas)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Joe Lott asked for what I had on Abram Lott, son of Absalom and Martha, awhile ago. I ended up having to send the 3 files separately. You may want the info for Lott Web Site.
There is a discrepancy re: Eliza Ann and I need to get her 1/m cert to determine whether she was a Norris gch or a Lott dau.
Please, let me know if this comes through.
Subj: Re: ORIGINAL LOTT DOCS OF CHATOM, AL
Date: 98-06-01 11:10:18 EDT
From: email@example.com (susan.miklas)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com (Joseph Lott)
Original docs sent to you this date. I also asked for a Lott marriage search 1800-1810. Told that the only early was Robert Lott and Rebecca Denmark on 25 Jan 1842, Bryant Denmark was bondsman. Doesn't seem early to me. These families may have run over into Washington Co, AL.
Subj: Watts - Cherokee
Date: 98-05-31 22:11:20 EDT
From: Mik MP
To: JBarron933
Hi, I have found thirty Watts names on the Western Cherokee Roots by Bob Blankenship, they are on the Dawes and Miller Rolls. The Lotts were of Creek ancestry.
Bye, Mik MP.
Subj: Re: Watts - Cherokee
Date: 06/01/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-05-31 22:11:20 EDT, you write:
<< I have found thirty Watts names on the Western Cherokee Roots by Bob Blankenship, they are on the Dawes and Miller Rolls. The Lotts were of Creek ancestry.
Didn't mean to imply that there were no Watts on Dawes and Miller Rolls, just that none of the descendants of this particular Watts family were, to my knowledge, accepted.
As far as Lotts being Creeks, I haven't seen that evidence. There is testimony about them being Choctaw, but it is all hearsay which I personally don't believe.
Subj: Re: Watts - Cherokee
Date: 98-06-01 22:01:25 EDT
From: Mik MP
To: JBarron933
CC: Mik MP
Hi, I am interested in finding out about the Watts/Lotts Indian ancestry, because my grandmother Viola Lott Cheairs was supposed to have been of Creek ancestry. I have found out from relatives in La. that we are related to the Watts/Lotts, Joyners, Richardsons, McGehees, McGees, Keene, and more. I didn't know that the Lotts' were supposed to be Choctaw, I hope some of them will send in their Choctaw ancestry . My father always said that his mothers' family were Creek Indians.
We are still trying to find out if our ggrandfather was James L. or John Lott, the father of Viola Lott Cheairs.
Bye, MikMP
Subj: Re: Lott/Watts
Date: 06/01/98
To: SallyMBU
In a message dated 98-05-31 13:46:49 EDT, you write:
<< You were right! I found my relatives among the Watts information. I would be happy to share any information I have. The information was simply written down by different family members. Some of the information is from headstones. My Great grandparents - William M. Turner born Sept. 3, 1851 in Selma (or Selman) TX Died Jan.2, 1917 at Camp San TX. His wife Artie M. Watts Turner, born July 9, 1851 in Burnett TX died Jan. 26, 1920 at Katemcy TX both buried at Camp San Saba Cemetary. They had 10 children: Elder Walter, b. 12-11-1870 d. 10-1-42; S.B. (Salis) born May 10, 1874 d. 1960; Florence, b. 11-11-1875, d. 6-18-1875; Flora Grace (Jordan) b. 10-5-1878, d. 2-15-1936; Oscar b.8-7-1880, d. 11-20-1931; Will b 12-2-1882, d. 12-10-1964; Cora (Walker) b. 2-18-1884, d. 1-1-1977; Martha Ann (Sallee) <my grandmother> b. 1-10-1886, d 6-16-1977; A.D."Dence" b. 9-29-1889, d. 4-25-1963; A.L. "Babe" b. 1-17-1892 d. 12-20-1953. All buried at Bethel (I believe at TX) except Cora, who was buried at San Angelo TX.
Elder Walter Turner m. Emma Laye VanPelt on Feb 1, 1894 in Mason TX. They had 8 children. The first died within a few days and is buried at Samp San Saba Cemetery. Emma Laye VanPelt b. 1-20-1876 in Mason Co d. 11-20-1947, she was the daughter of George and Martha Ann VanPelt.
Children of Elder and Emma: Artie Turner White, b. 1-4-1897 in Weed, NM
Leonard Burton, b. 10-21-1900 in Mason CO d. 6-3-1961 in Lohn TX, buried REst Haven Cemetery, Brady TX
Charlie Clarence "Jack" b. 11-12-1902 in Coleman CO d. in San Angelo TX buried REst Haven C. Brady, TX
Eula Mae "Dude" Turner Culvahouse, b. 1-6-1907 in Mason Co. in kermit TX
Fred Allie Turner Walther, b. 1-6-1907 in Mason Co lived in San Antonio
William M. Turner "Little Turner" b. 5-27-1909 Mason Co. d. 10-23-1963 in San Antonio buried in Greenwood Cemetery in Fredericksburg TX
Emma Lelleni Turner Weinheimer "Midge" b. 5-31-1915 in Mc Culloch Co.
Parents of Artie Watts; Elbert Watts b.12-6-1829 in Mississippi d. 9-5-1911 in Rochelle TX his wife: Pearl Ann Barfoot Watts b. 7-12-1835 in Georgia d. 9-9-1911 in Katemcy, TX
Parents of William M. Turner: W.R. Turner, Born Feb 12, 1822 in Miss. d. 3-12-1904, wife Martha Ann Turner, b. 10-20-1829 in Tenn. d. in Katemcy, TX. Children William Turner, Abe Turner, Edd Turner, Charlie Turner, Lizzie Turner Burnes, Kate Turner Rorak.
As a child (in the mid 50's) I went with my grandmother Martha Ann Turner Sallee and her sister Cora Turner Walker to Weed New Mexico to visit a relative of theirs, a cousin I believe. His name was El Watts.
AS yo can see I don't really have a format. Sorry this seems very disorganized, but I am just beginning to see some connections. I will be getting together a list of the other relatives and will forward them to you. I would love to be on your mailing list. Thanks again for all of the information you sent. I do believe that there is Indian blood somewhere in the family. My older relatives look like they are part Indian. My mother was told by her dentist that she must be part Indian be cause she has a peculiar bone structure inside her jaw that is very common to Indians. WE have always been told that we have Indian ancestors and none of these people have anythto gain by perpetuating a story. I look forward to hearing from you I have a lot of work to do now!!! Sally
Sally, you're on the list and thanks for all the info. Don't worry about the format, it's looks good to me. I have heard of the physiological characteristic you mentioned above. Can't remember the details, but seems like it was significant from a population standpoint, but individuals might go either way. None-the-less it is the type of thing that might help unravel some of the mystery in genealogy. I've seen a TV show on Jesse James where a known descendant of his gave a DNA sample which was compared with DNA from a bone sample exhumed from his grave. It showed a match and it was decided that Jesse was actually the man in the grave.
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 06/02/98
To: Mik MP
In a message dated 98-06-01 22:01:25 EDT, you write:
<< I am interested in finding out about the Watts/Lotts Indian ancestry, because my grandmother Viola Lott Cheairs was supposed to have been of Creek ancestry. I have found out from relatives in La. that we are related to the Watts/Lotts, Joyners, Richardsons, McGehees, McGees, Keene, and more. I didn't know that the Lotts' were supposed to be Choctaw, I hope some of them will send in their Choctaw ancestry . My father always said that his mothers' family were Creek Indians. We are still trying to find out if our ggrandfather was James L. or John Lott, the father of Viola Lott Cheairs. Bye, MikMP
Yes, this is the typical type of legendary information that almost everyone related to the Lott and Watts families (myself included) heard and related when first beginning to study family history. Most of the legends say Cherokee, some do not specify a tribe, and some even claim tribes which lived completely out of the south (such as Blackfoot, etc.). Like most legends they mean something, but not necessarily what they seem to relate. They are clues to additional research.
You can see the Choctaw connection in the "Affidavit of Henry Johnson" on my web page. Johnson claimed that Arthur Lott's widow, Sarah, was one half Choctaw Indian. However, the Choctaw were strictly a MS tribe essentially unknown to the settlers in Georgia and Carolina. Arthur and Sarah were married before coming to MS in 1812 and were probably married in GA as early as 1785. His testimony is clearly hearsay since it related to events which occurred before he was born.
While the Choctaw and their allies the Chickasaw were relatively peaceful people, the Creeks were anything but. They lived in what is now Alabama and were feared by both the whites and other Indians. Arthur Lott, a former Georgia Assemblyman, was killed by the Creeks in Feb 1812 and his murder was one of the main factors leading up to the Creek War of 1814 in which about a dozen of his Lott kin fought. This does not preclude the possibility of a relationship with the Creeks, of course, but also might simply be a way of inserting the tribe's name in family lore. This is the way legends work as strange as it seems.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-06-02 12:10:18 EDT
From: Mik MP
To: JBarron933
Hi, I just got your mail, and I agree with you completely. The Indian ancestry aspect of the Lott/Watt families is very interesting. Your Lott lineage chart and the Lott Circle letters are greatly appreciated by all of us on the circle. They give us all something to look forward to, and a chance to stay in touch with our family roots, and the motivation to keep searching for our roots. I do believe that we should keep exploring the Indian ancestry lore and legends, but that aspect is probably mostly legends as you said.
Thank you so much for the happiness and great reading that you have given to all of us, it has enriched our lives and those of our families. Bye. Mik MP
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-06-03 08:31:15 EDT
From: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, email@example.com
Legend though it probably is, the linked legends of Indians might be the common thread that initially hooked and linked us on to the Lott Circle.
As John knows, through my Methodist minister grandfather, my mother heard of Chief "Lot" who was a greatggggfather and told me, and if I had not been searching for that Indian, I would have never stumbled across the name of Lott at all in my ancestry.
Subj: Mary Lott
Date: 98-06-04 01:42:33 EDT
From: email@example.com (tpenny)
To: email@example.com
Hi, I am looking for parents of Mary Lott. She was born in 1830 in Mississippi. She married Absolom (Abner) Downs. Their children are: Sarah, Amanda, James, Mary Alice, Jefferson Davis, and Absolom Jr. If you have any information that would be helpful, Please let me know .
Thank You, Teresa Penny
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-06-04 17:12:55 EDT
From: email@example.com
Thanks a lot. That helped clear up the floating daughters who did not belong to my Arthur and Elizabeth Lott family. Mainly the extra Elizabeth Lott who was born in 1817 and mine was in 1832, both in MS.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-06-04 20:25:08 EDT
From: email@example.com (tpenny)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Yes, Please add my name to your list. I've not done a thorough research on Mary Lott or her husband. I do know that they lived in Limestone co. Texas and had all their children in Limestone co. Texas and many of their grandchildren were also born in Limestone co., which is also where I live. I have a list of their descendant, but haven't gone further than them. Any help is appreciated.
Thank You, Teresa Penny
Subj: RE: James Lott
Date: 98-06-05 18:51:53 EDT
From: email@example.com (Merle Bellmer)
To: email@example.com ('firstname.lastname@example.com')
CC: email@example.com ('firstname.lastname@example.com')
Sandra, if John Barron's timeline only shows one James Lott born in MS, then I would say that it is incomplete. I really have not looked at it. There were 8 James Lotts, that I know of, in Carroll Co. MS, in the line of Aaron Lott, Sr. Three were of an age to have served in the Civil War. None of them are James D. Lott, (though there were two whose middle initial I don't know) and there is no Hiram Lott in my records. To assume there was only one James Lott born in MS, would be a big mistake. That is what the portion of your e-mail that follows my message implies.
If Teresa Penny had Lotts from Carroll Co. MS, as John seems to suggest, based on a pension record of a James Lott, from Limestone County TX, (who was born in Carroll Co. MS), then they could have been, a part of the Aaron Lott line to which I refer. There were probably other Lott families besides Aaron's in Carroll Co. MS too. So I do not narrow my assumption to imply that it would have to be THE James on the timeline.
I don't understand the thinking that they went from MS to TX and then to LA. The Lotts that I know of neither came from nor ended up in Louisiana.
If it were not for John Barron's Lott Timeline, I would be inclined to agree with you that extra James's just muddy the water, but they show:
1825 a Hiram R. Lott born in MS
1833 a James D. Lott, born in MS
1847 a Hiram Lott listed in tax rolls in Limestone Co., TX
1850 a Hiram Lott listed in tax rolls in Limestone co. TX
1860 a Hiram R. Lott listed in the census in Carroll Parish, LA
1860 a James D. Lott listed in the census in Carroll Parish, LA
What are the chances of several sets of brothers named James and Hiram following each other around from MS to TX to LA?
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-06-05 11:50:33 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
<In a message dated 98-06-04 20:25:08 EDT, you write:
<< I'll do some checking on Limestone Co. Lott families. I do know that there
was a James Lott who applied for a Confederate Pension from there. He was
born in MS (Carroll Co., I think).
In reference to John and Penny's correspondence, this may help or may not. I sent this information back in March:
Here is the information gathered so far from the parish library's genealogy department:
"Louisiana Confederate Soldiers," Volume III, Book 1, pp 796-797, by Andrew Booth, lists--
Lott, A.J., --Capt. Lott's Co. (Carroll Dragoons) La. Cav. On List dated Par. of Carroll, La., March 19, 1862, showing receipt of $50.00 as bounty for enlisting in Confederate Staes Army for War or during the term of service.
Lott, A.J., 2nd Lt. Co. D, 4th Battn. La. Inf. En. Aug 9 1861, Carroll Pari., La. Roll to Aug 31, 1861, Absent. Roster not dated. Elected 2nd Lt., Aug. 9, 1861. Resigned Oct.---,1861; R. Anderson, successor.
Lott, Arthur J., Capt. Capt Lott's Co. (Carroll Dragoons) La. Cav. On list dated Par. of Carroll., La., March 19, 1862, showing receipt of $50.00 as county for enlisting in Confed. States Army for the War or during the term of service.
A Private James D. Lott from Carroll Parish is also listed, was a surveyor, and place of residence was Penhook, LA. He is found in 1870 and in 1860 living with Hiram Lott, and an entry says he was partially deaf (I would have to recheck which census showed that information. I would guess it was the latter one, but could be wrong.) He was 29 when he enlisted. He is in Co. I, 14th La. Inf. and only because he too was listed in Carroll Parish did I try to connect him to Captain Arthur J., or 2nd Lt. A.J. Lott. He seems to have enlisted May 20, 1861, was a Quartermaster Clerk until Jan. and Feb. 1864; and re-enlisted for the War, Feb. 21, 1864. He was absent for the roll for April 30 to Aug 31, 1864. Detailed by order of Gen. Lee, 1864.'
Maybe the James Lotts are cousins!
Subj: [LOTT-L] Francis Lucretia Lott
Date: 98-06-06 17:06:29 EDT
From: email@example.com (ann golias)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Am looking for any information on Frances Lucretia "Patsy" Lott, first wife of William Hatten(circa 1800.) She may have been born in Alabama around 1800 and may have married in Mississippi. She died in Ouchita Parish, (now Jackson) LA, in 1830 and was said to be an Indian Princess. She had the following children: Presley L., Absolum, Lewis Lamkin, Peter L., Lawrence L., Martha, Sarah and William, all born in Mississippi except for the last.
Thanks Ann Golias
Subj: Re: [LOTT-L] Francis Lucretia Lott
Date: 06/06/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Ann, I edit a southern Lott on-line research group. Yours is a descendant of John Lott (b. c1700) as is mine. I'd like to include you in our group. No charge. We do a lot of research and pass the results around. Recently we've been discussing the legends of Indian ancestry that abound in the Lott [and the related Watts families]. Some of the research topics can be viewed on my web page by clicking on the following : John Barron's Home Page as well as the descendants of John Lott.
Let me hear from you.
John Barron, Austin, TX
ubj: Fwd: James Lott
Date: 06/06/98
To: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
The Lott time line is defiantly not complete, but I keep adding to it. I haven't uploaded a new version to the web page lately, however.
Subj: Re: [LOTT-L] Francis Lucretia Lott
Date: 06/06/98
To: email@example.com
After checking my records I find that Frances Lucretia Lott was a daughter of Absalom Lott and Martha Jane. You can see this family on my web page. This is Sue Miklas' line and she is one of our best researchers. She will probably relate to you the Indian legend of Martha "princess Lightfoot" who was Frances' mother. All of this is interesting and must mean something, but none have ever been verified by real research.
John Barron
Subj: RE: LOTT
Date: 98-06-06 20:07:48 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (susan.miklas)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
Ann Golias
There are numerous "Indian Stories" present in our Lott heritage. So far, not a one has been proven true. I would be glad if one did prove true, for I remember the one my gmother told me in abt 1932.
I can straighten out the one you have. Martha"Patsy" m Absalom Lott, abt 1881. She is rumored to have been "Princess Patsy Lightfoot" of the Cherokees. Some researchers think her maiden name was Lott or Claiborne. Absalom and Martha had two daughters: Elizabeth(my gg gmother) m Thomas Watts and Frances Lucretia who did marry, but died soon after. This was established many years ago by Carroll Watts, dec., who was a well known Lott/Watts researcher in MS. William Hatton, who fought in RW m Mary "Polly" Lott, believed to have been a dau. of John and Elizabeth Joyner Lott. I will try to find Wm 's children for you.
You better join LOTT CIRCLE, then you will have 35 or more people researching their LOTT heritage. It is very helpful. I hope this helps a little.
Sue Miklas
Subj: Lott
Date: 06/08/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-06-08 19:36:19 EDT, you write:
<< Hello! My name is Stacey Lazenby. I am a descendant of Patsy Lott and William Hatten. I have been told that the Arthur Lott killed by Indians is related to this family. I have not been able to find out how yet ,but I am working on it. If you have any information I would appreciate it. I will be glad to share anything I have. My e-mail address is email@example.com Hope to hear from you soon! Stacey L.
Hi Stacey, my records show that William Hatten's wife was Mary "Polly" Lott, born about 1775. Arthur Lott killed by the Indians was born about 1750. I believe they had the same father, John Lott, but a different mother. You are the second person who has contacted me this week concerning a marriage between a William Hatten (not the same William) and Patsy Lott. I think there is some confusion about her identity. I think she was Frances Lucrecia Lott daughter of Absalom (brother of Arthur) and his wife Martha "Patsy". Patsy is, of course, the old fashioned nickname for Martha. As usual, confusion is rampant when dealing with Lott genealogy.
We have a group of 30 or so on-line Lott researchers that I would like to include you in. We pass research results and opinions back and forth and they are really helpful. Let me know if you would like to join. We store our results on my web page which can be accessed by clinking on the following John Barron's Home Page
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: (no subject)
Date: 98-06-09 17:15:28 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (STEPHANIE LAZENBY)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com (firstname.lastname@example.com)
Hello! The William Hatten you mentioned born in 1775 is my William Hatten's uncle.
Yes, the one you mentioned was married to Mary Polly Lott. The William Hatten who was married to Frances Lucretia (patsy) Lott was born in 1800. Patsy Lott was born in 1802. I have her parents as Absolum Lott and Martha Lightfoot. My family and other researchers have Patsy being a Choctaw Indian. My family was able to apply for land grants back in the 50's because of the Indian blood but time ran out before they applied. William Hatten and Patsy Lott moved from Mississippi in 1838 to Jackson Parish, LA where she died in childbirth in 1840. There are A LOT of William Hattens! I can send you what I have. The Hattens and the Lotts married a good bit between the two families. I will be going to Mississippi in a couple of weeks and my cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. are Hattens and Lotts. I have been told by one cousin that they had the Lotts traced back a good ways. Hopefully I will be able to get that information!
I can give you the children of William Hatten and Patsy Lott and their births, wives, etc. I am descended from their son Lewis Lamkin Hatten. Patsy was born in Alabama abt. 1802. She and William Married in Mississippi abt. 1822 or 1823.
I know how things can get confused being passed down! I have enough trouble keeping things straight myself! My family always referred to Patsy as "Patsy Lightfoot". They were told she was a Choctaw Indian princess but was disowned for marrying a white man. My great uncles remember being told stories of how the children had been tied to trees and even had their house set on fire because they were "half breeds". When I found her name to be Lott I thought it was possibly her Christian name and then was told her mother was Martha Lightfoot and assumed my family had gotten the story confused.
Let me know if you have anything else or if you would like me to send you what I have. I also have an e-mail that has some "legends" traced by a lady in LA that is also related to the Hattens. I would be happy to send it to you. Most of it checked out with what I have but a couple of the dates and one name were wrong.
Hope to hear from you soon! Stacey
Subj: Re: Reuben Watts Genealogy Group (address change)
Date: 98-06-09 22:50:45 EDT
From: email@example.com (Neal Watts)
To: email@example.com
Reubin Watts Group, I sent a letter to Glenna Coultas about where Reubin Watts lived in 1850 and 1860. Her Reply is:
"Reubin Watts was living with his daughter and son-in-law 1850 census, Mary Watts and John D. Kelly. 1860 he is living with Daughter Sarah Watts and Absalom Lott, he was 76 years old."
If you do the math, I think the bible is correct. I.e., Reubin Watts was born in 1784.
Also, the above census records indicate he wasn't married in 1850 or 1860. If there was a second marriage then it occurred after May 6, 1829 (Katharine's death) and ended prior to 1850.
Glenna's research shows there were a lot of Easterlings in Covington County. She says she hasn't been able to prove a second marriage and "If I can't prove it, it ain't so." So far a genealogy goes, I certainly agree with that position.
Good hunting, Neal
Subj: RE: LOTT/HATTON
Date: 98-06-09 23:17:26 EDT
From: email@example.com (susan.miklas)
To: email@example.com
Stephanie Lazenby
Incongruous as it may sound today in that time period,"Patsy" was the common nickname for Martha, just as "Polly" was for Mary. Namesakes of Frances Lucretia often went by "Fanny". Frances Lucretia, daughter of Absalom Lott and his wife Martha "Patsy" (Lightfoot??? Lott??? Claiborne???) was born abt 1784. I have always thought the Indian connection , if there was one, was Cherokee, but it could well have been Choctaw.
There are many Lott searchers who believe that all stories of Indian ancestors are myth or family hearsay.
You could have a Frances Lucretia, b in 1804 who m Wm Hatton, but she would have to have other parents.
I would be happy to have anything you have on Lotts or Hattons. I have been researching Lotts for about 17/18 years.
Sue Miklas
Subj: Re: Lott
Date: 06/09/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Thanks for your fine response. I'd love to receive anything that you can send on the Lott/Hatten families. Were you able to access my web page? You will find on it a great deal of Lott family information including a descendant chart of John Lott who was born about 1700, a Lott timeline, and the Lott Circle correspondence from 1997. You will see that this group is made up of the leading Lott researchers in the country and once again I would like to have you as part of it. No charge.
Now, concerning the "Indian" legends. They are so widespread in the Lott and Watts lineage that thy must mean something, but are not substantiated by real evidence. My standard challenge to anyone who brings them up is to find me one that pre-dates the opening of the Indian Territory land deals starting about 1890. So far no one has done so.
Subj: Lott Family
Date: 98-06-10 18:59:18 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Vince Herrin)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
I was excited to find the Lott webpage. I've been doing genealogy since high school, but I just starting working the net for information this month. Great setup you've created.
I grew up in south MS in Lamar County; I'm descended from several of the Lotts and Watts from the original MS generation, and will provide whatever descendant information on myself that would be helpful. I also know of a gentleman in Marion Co who spent his whole life collecting Lott family information, including info from the older generations that were living when he was a young man. He passed away in his eighties a few years ago, and I don't know what happened to the records he kept. I'll try to find out.
My biggest Lott question concerns the parentage of Sarah Lott who married Shepherd Herring (my ggg grandfather) in Marion Co. in 1820. I've never been able to find out. I notice the John Lott information shows her as the daughter of Nathan Lott and lists her as born in 1811, which would make her nine years old when she married. Of interest, her oldest son that I know of was named Nathan Lott Herring (he married Dorinda Lott McGrew, dau of the murdered Robt Lott).
In the family Bible that my grandma filled out (with info given her by her husband), she didn't know Sarah's name, but wrote "a full blood Indian". I noticed the debate on the Indian-Lott connection.
I also descend from Elizabeth Lott Byrd, dau of Abraham Lott. She married the elusive Jesse Byrd; their oldest dau., Zilphia, married Shepherd Herring, Jr
I descend, too, from John and Sarah Aultman Lott through their daughter Amedilla, who married John Pace. My grandfather on that side always said, "Grandma Pace had a lot of Indian blood."
I think I descend from John Watts four times (somewhat embarrassing, in a way, but then I suppose we're not responsible for our ancestry).
If I can send anything of interest on my branches or join in the debate, let me know. Any info on my Sarah Lott Herring would be appreciated.
Vince Herrin, b. 11 May 1969, Hattiesburg, MS
Subj: Re: Lott Family
Date: 06/10/98
To: email@example.com
Vince, thanks for your message. Looks like something is afoul about Sarah Lott's birthdate. I'll have to check my notes. What's your idea on her parentage?
I think that the man to whom you referred in Marion Co. was Carroll Watts. I think his genealogy records are in the archives in Jacksonville, but not positive. Seems like one of the Lott Circle members checked into this for me. I'd love to add you to our on-line group of researchers, no charge. We get into a few tussles, but it is really helpful. There are over 30 of us now. Let me know.
John Barron
Subj: Lotts
Date: 98-06-11 00:17:30 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Merle Bellmer)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com ('J. Barron')
John, thank you for all of your work and coordination of the Lott Circle. I feel that this is really not the Lotts that I am looking for and if there IS a connection, it is so far back that I am not sure it matters. The other Lotts mentioned, even in MS or TX, where mine were, seem to have no connection.
Thanks for your time. If you come across anyone who is looking for the line of Aaron and Martha, (both born 1779 SC) who came with their families to Carroll Co. MS; OR the John W. or Benjamin J. Lott families who came to Denton County TX in the 1870"s, please remember me and pass it along if you don't mind. I would really appreciate making connections with these lines.
Thanks, Dot
Subj: RE: Vince Herrin
Date: 98-06-11 23:35:41 EDT
From: email@example.com (susan.miklas)
To: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com (Vince Herrin)
Vince, I am including the info that I think may interest you.
DEPOSITION OF RICHARD EUGENE BLACKBURN Signed: 23 Apr 1963
Extracted by Sue Miklas, 11 June 1998
....."My grandfather was Ferdinand B. Blackburn, married 27 June 1837, Sarah Elizabeth Tyner, daughter of John Tyner.....The children of Ferdinand and Sarah Elizabeth Blackburn were : Gabriel, John A., Mary m John Broom, Amanda, m Alex Stringer, Mollie m Teal Lott and Ada m Tom Lott.
Ferdinand's father was Gabriel Blackburn, m Frances Tyner, sister of Sarah Tyner m Robert Lott, murdered in 1844......Their children were: Dorinda Lott, m/1 William Mcgrew. Children were: James R. , J.L>, Mary(Mollie) m William George Lott, Amanda Jane m Irvin Blackburn, who was my father(Richard), and Susie(Sooky) m Jim Anderson. Dorinda's husband, Wm McGrew, d bef 1860. Dorinda m/2, Lott Herring. Dorinda and Lott Herring had one child, Sheppard Herring."
I hope this helps, Sue Miklas
Subj: Lott Document
Date: 06/11/98
To: email@example.com
Sue, I forgot to tell you that I got the documents that you sent. Thanks so much. No surprizes from them, but they are very interesting. I'm putting together a sort of diagrammatic chart of the relationships. One thing I noticed were 2 grown Elizabeth Lotts. Bet one is a sis-in-law; what do you think?
I'll put them on the web page as time permits. Did you try the cut and paste on the Herring message?
Subj: LOTT FAMILY
Date: 98-06-12 00:34:34 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com
MY RECORDS INDICATE TWO MEN NAMED SHEPHERD HERRIN m. TWO WOMEN NAMED SARAH LOTT.
SHEPHERD HERRIN # 1 AND SARAH LOTT #1 HAD 3 KNOWN CHILDREN: 1. NATHAN LOTT HERRIN 2.GREEN HERRIN 3.SOLOMON "SOL"HERRING WHO WAS b. ABOUT 1795
SHEPHERD HERRIN #2 SR. B. 1800 AND SARAH "SALLY" LOTT b. 1811 m.3/13/1820 MARION COUNTY MS. HAD 3 KNOW CHILDREN. 1.JOHN b.1837 2.MARTHA b. 1840 3.JESSE b.1843
NATHAN LOTT JR. 1780-1845 m. DICEY WATTS 1781-1860? 10 CHILDREN : A SON JOHN ARTHUR LOTT 1808-1844 MARRIED SARAH "SALLIE" AULTMAN 1813-1877
Subj: Re: Lott Family
Date: 98-06-12 15:11:48 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Vince Herrin)
To: email@example.com
Thanks for your message. I really don't have a good idea for Sarah Lott Herring's parentage; it makes sense that Nathan Lott might be her father, since her son's name is Nathan Lott Herring, but that's circumstantial at best. I don't know where the data for Nathan Lott's children's birthdates came from, but if she is Nathan's daughter, the date 1811 is obviously incorrect.
I got nice notes from Gary Lott and Sue Miklas; I sent them my three Lott lineages (basic info). If I need to send it to you, as well, I'd be glad to. I'll also fill in whatever other descendants I can, if you need that data.
I would like to join the discussion. There is a lady I know in Columbia, MS, who at one time was working on compiling a book on the so MS Lotts. This was on the back burner until she finished the very large (1000 page) book on the Broomes that came out earlier this year. I'll get back in touch with her and see if she is on-line. I know she'd love the Lott site. She looked at a lot of Mr Carroll Watts data (you're right, that was the man I was referring to) while he was still living.
I saw on your page that you live in Austin. So does my younger brother and his wife, now. We're going for our first visit next weekend. I'll let you know what I think. Will be on vacation next week, but I'll talk to you soon.
Subj: LOTT FAMILY
Date: 98-06-13 00:38:56 EDT
From: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com
BYRD" , ZILPHIA, m. SHEP JR. [I HAVE HER AS DAUGHTER OF JESSE WIGGINS]
1860 CENSUS MARION CO. MS pg.24 FAMILY NO. 225
SHEPHERD HERRIN 60, WHITE MALE b. GA. (1800)
SARAH 56, WHITE FEMALE b. GA (1804, DAU. OF NATHAN & DICEY WATTS LOTT)
JOHN 23, WHITE MALE b.MS
MARTHA 20, WHITE FEMALE b.MS
JESSE 17, WHITE MALE b.MS
Subj: DEPOSITION OF R. E. BLACKBURN
Date: 98-06-13 01:34:31 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com
RE: MOLLIE m. TEAL LOTT
MARY ELIZABETH BLACKBURN 1855-1893 m. FELIX R. JEFFERSON "TEAL" LOTT WHO HAD A TWIN BROTHER WILEY P. HARRIS LOTT. b. FEB 5,1855 CHILDREN OF REUBIN WATTS LOTT AND BERTHA "RUTHIE" RAYBORN THIS REUBIN WAS SON OF NATHAN LOTT JR. b1780 & DICEY WATTS b.1781
Subj: RE: DEPOSITION OF BLACKBURN
Date: 98-06-13 13:27:10 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (susan.miklas)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com (Gary Lott)
Thanks, Gary
Rob't Lott & Sarah Tyner had another daughter, Elizabeth "Betsy" who also m an Edmondson.
You have never given me your lineage either descent from Rev John and Judith, or ascending from you. Please, I may have something you need.
Subj: Re: DEPOSITION OF BLACKBURN
Date: 98-06-13 18:22:31 EDT
From: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, email@example.com
CC: email@example.com
I COME FROM LUKE LOTT 1769 GA. m. CYNTHIA HERRING????? THEIR SON JOSHUA
LOTT 1802 GA. m. ROSEANNA BARNES . THEIR SON JESSE LOTT 1846 MS. m EMILY
COOK 1842 MS.ON 9 JAN 1866. THEIR SON JOHN IRA LOTT m. CLEMENTINE GINN
THEIR SON ALBERT FELTON LOTT 1909 MS. m. LUCY CARSON THEIR SON (ME)
CHARLES GARY LOTT m LYNDA GAYLE SPEIGHTS WHO'S PARENTS CAME FROM
Subj: RE;BLACKBURN DEPOSITION
Date: 98-06-13 18:56:21 EDT
From: email@example.com (susan.miklas)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com (Gary Lott)
CC: email@example.com (Vince Herrin), firstname.lastname@example.com
Thanks Gary
Do you know anything abt your great gmother's family, Emily Cook.? I ask this because I came across in the 1870 Census, a Cook family. The wife was Betsy. Living with them was, Darcy Lott, age 95. I've been trying to find a husband for her for 5-6 years. I haven't found Darcy or the Cooks in 1850 0r 1860.
Luke m Catherine Herring is also Dan Lott's line. He may have something on Herrings.
Would this Luke Lott be too old (39 in 1808) to have been the Luke in Will of John in AL?
Subj: EMILY COOK
Date: 98-06-13 22:25:05 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com, email@example.com
MARION CO. MS. CENSUS 1840 pg. 118 LIST LUKE LOTT 60 TO 70 YRS. 1 FEMALE
ON THE SAME PAGE 118 ARE LISTED JOHN BARNES 70-80 YRS. ( FATHER OF ROSEANNA BARNES m. JOSHUA LOTT-----CHRISTOPHER BURT------AND HENRY COOK 40-50 YRS (FATHER OF BENJAMIN COOK) WHO IS LISTED ON pg. 125 20-30 YRS & FLY. (FATHER OF EMILY m. JESSE LOTT ) BENJAMIN COOK m. AMY "EMILY" BURT ( DAUGHTER OF CHRISTOPHER BURT)
Subj: Re: RE; SARAH LOTT
Date: 98-06-14 09:57:47 EDT
From: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, email@example.com, email@example.com
i think this SARAH LOTT b.1804 in ga. was daughter of Nathan and Dicey Watts Lott married Shepherd Herrin b. GA. circa 1800 on 13 mar. 1820, Marion county ms. my grandfather Joshua Lott was born 1802 ga. as was catherine "katy" lott. all these familys - Lott, Watts, Herrin---came to Ms. About the same time they were intermarried several times as we all know and had the same names or very near. This sarah was more like 16 when she married and her children's names were different ie: john--martha--jesse--
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-06-16 00:21:04 EDT
From: JMorris811
To: JBarron933
In a message dated 6/15/98 7:49:50 PM Central Daylight Time, JBarron933 writes:
<< On the same page 118 are listed john barnes 70-80 yrs. ( father of roseanna barnes m. joshua lott-- >>
Gary, do you have any data on John Barnes, father of Roseanna Barnes, wife of Joshua Lott?
Subj: Lott group
Date: 98-06-16 08:25:24 EDT
From: email@example.com (ann golias)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Hi John--
Thanks for your quick response to my request for information on Frances Lucretia Lott and William Hatten. I have just begun to research this line and was so happy to see your homepage. I am digesting your Lott genealogy at present and comparing it to what little I have at the moment, and mostly without foundation.
I would love to be included in the research group and will be most happy to share anything I find. I agree with you and the group that there are probably no Indians lurking in the Lott tree, however, back in the forties, my dad and a few of his cousins gave ten bucks each to a Shreveport lawyer who convinced them the government was ready and waiting to give back what it stole from the Indians. With their Patsy Lott story and ten dollars, they were already counting the acres. Of course, it came to naught, but this branch of the Lotts won't soon forget ten dollars gone and nothing to show for it.
I would send you my descendancy chart, but have not had time to figure how to get new genealogy software to print.
Best Regards,
Ann Golias
Subj: Re: Lott group
Date: 06/16/98
To: email@example.com
That's a great story; thanks for sharing it. Now I'm sure we're related because that's exactly how mine would have reacted.
What sort of genealogy software do you have. Maybe some of us can help.
John Barron
Subj: Re: EMILY COOK
Date: 98-06-20 10:12:30 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com, email@example.com
(emily burt) AMY WH F GA. (1815)
EMILY WH F MS. (1841) [b.15 MAY 1842 m. 9 JAN 1866]
Subj: Re: RE; SARAH LOTT
Date: 98-06-22 16:57:31 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Vince Herrin)
To: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
Hi, Gary. Back from vacation and ready for a little more genealogy. I'm not quite sure what you are saying about Shep and Sarah Lott Herring. Let me lay out my case as I understand it.
There was only one Shepherd Herring that married a Sarah Lott. I follow this Shep through all the early Tax Rolls of Covington County--lived near the Marion County line, but is most often picked up in Covington County until 1850--there is never more than one Shepherd Herring in all those years. Granted, he's listed as age 60 in both the 1850 and 1860 Census, but I've noticed even larger age discrepancies in other cases. Sarah is listed as 40 in 1850 and 56 in 1860. The children are the same:
1850--N. (male), Sol, Shepherd, M. (female), John, Catherine, and Jesse. In 1860, the listed children are John, Jesse, and Martha. Catherine married in 1859 to G.W. Watts, so she's not listed. There's a little age discrepancy with Martha, but that's another family mystery; many people I know list daughters named both MaryAnn and Martha with Shep and Sarah, but this is hard to sort out from the Census.
Bottom line: I have no doubts that 1850 Shep is the same person as 1860 Shep. The question remains over the identity of Sarah Lott Herring's parents. If her father was indeed Nathan Lott, than the data listing her birthdate as 1811 is wrong--I need to know where that data came from and how "set in stone" it is. Other sources tell me that Sarah's father was William, son of Absolem.
Now, one word on confusion concerning other Shep Herrings--Shep, Sr., had a son Shep, as did his brother Solomon. Shep also had a grandson Shep, son of Nathan Lott Herring. there were numerous other Sheps in later generations.
Thanks for all the help from everyone--any further ideas on this data? Also, was Green Herring Shep's son or brother?
Subj: Re: Lineage for Gary Lott
Date: 98-06-22 17:23:06 EDT
From: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, email@example.com
CC: email@example.com
I HAVE CHILDREN OF STEPHEN M. SPEIGHTS b.1769 d.1874+MARY b.1769 AS:
LAMON b.1-22-1794; NANCY b.10-28-1796; STEPHEN M. SPEIGHTS JR.
b.5-03-1801; JOHN b. 4-15-1805; DELPHY b.7-21-1807
[2] ALBERT FELTON LOTT b.DEC 22 1909 MARION COUNTY MS.+ LUCY VERBENIA
CARSON b. DEC 13 1927 DRY PRONG, GRANT PARISH, LA. JAN. 21, 1934
[3] JOHN IRA LOTT b. OCT. 1866, MARION CO. MS. d. JAN 14, 1934, TALLULAH,
[4] CYNTHIA CLEMENTINE GINN b.AUG 1874 FOXWORTH, MARION, MS. d. JAN. 14,
On Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:39:10 -0400 Joseph Lott <firstname.lastname@example.com>
>I didn't realize you had Speights connections. Can you help fill in any of
>the missing data on my Speights who married with the Lotts. See below.
>Also, my research partner, Dan Lott, was showing that your father Albert
>Felton Lott also had a spouse named M. D. Bowen. Is this correct?
>Do you know when and where your grandfather John Ira Lott died?
>How about birth and death locations for your grandmother Clementie
Subj: Re: ABRAHAM LOTT
Date: 98-06-22 18:12:23 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (susan.miklas)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com (Dan Lott), email@example.com
Joe and Dan
1. What is the source for DOD of Abraham Lott? Cemetery?
2. "Polly" was the common Knickname for Mary, "Patsy" for Martha i.e. Phillp's wife was mary "Polly" and Absalom's wife was Martha "Patsy". Mary Ann m Luke Norris and they died 1n 1844 sending 3 orphans to live with Ab and Zilpha: Luke, Abraham and Eliza Ann Norris.
3. William Watts m Patience Lott was the son of Thomas Watts and Elizabeth Lott. That is my direct line through William's bro Bartlett S. Watts. I have only identified five ch for William and Patience, so I would love the source of a Robert W Watts. But, where is he ? In 1850 and 1860, R.W. Watts, son of John and Penelope is right where he is expected to be, next door to John Watts and Penelope Lott, his parents. Basheba had two children: John b 1849 and a female b 1852. His 2nd wife was Elizabeth.
4. William McGrew and Dorinda Lott had a Mary who m Wm. Geo. Watts. Who were parents of Mary Ann McGrew m Absalom?
5. There were two Thomas W. Lotts b in 1843. In 1870, Thomas W. wife Syntha(Cynthia) living in Covington Co, near brother, Elam. The other Thomas had wife Mary E. and lived near Columbia in Marion Co, next to Arthur Lott, age 30, with wife Mary E.. Which one is the death date for? I have Mrs Pickering's Cemetery Census Book. I don't find it.
Note: Zilpha was 45 when Thomas was b in 1843. When you see 1820/30/40/50 censuses together, it is possible they had as many as 14 children.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lott <firstname.lastname@example.com>
To: 'susan.miklas' <firstname.lastname@example.com>
Cc: 'Dan Lott' <firstname.lastname@example.com>
Date: Saturday, June 20, 1998 5:50 PM
Subject: RE: ABRAHAM LOTT
>I got all 3 files just fine. Differences between our files and some possible additions in our file include:
>1. Death date for Abraham: we show 7 Feb 1856 vice ca 1856. This came from Dan Lott.
>2. You show Mary Ann "Polly" Lott and we show as Martha Ann "Polly" Lott.
> This also came from Dan.
>3. R. W. Watts who m. Bathsheba Lott believed to be Robert Watkins "Wad"
>Lott vice Reuben W. Lott. Robert Watkins Lott believed to be a child of
>William Thomas Watts and Patience Lott. Also from Dan Lott
>4. Absalom Lott believed to have married Mary Ann McGrew. Also from Dan Lott
>5. Thomas Watts Lott b. 10 Sep 1843 and d. 6 Sep 1910 from Cemetery Census
>by Mrs. Archie Pickering of Aug 1976.
>6. We also show tha Eliza Ann Lott b. abt 1825 also m. Sandy McRaney. Also from Dan Lott.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: susan.miklas [SMTP:firstname.lastname@example.com]
>Sent: Saturday, May 30, 1998 11:34 AM
>To: Joseph Lott
>Subject: Re: ABRAHAM LOTT
>Sorry Joe,
>I tried to combine 3 files on Ab. Lott. Guess it didn't work, so I will send separately today.
> << File: Abraham Lott 3. Family.doc >>
Subj: Sarah Lott, again
Date: 98-06-26 08:42:33 EDT
From: email@example.com (Vince Herrin)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com, email@example.com
Hi. I stumbled across something last night--another possibility for Sarah Lott's father that I had forgotten about. Could she have been the Sarah Lott mentioned as the daughter of the fourth generation John (son of John and Sallie?)? This would make her the right age and give her a brother named Arthur (name of the bondsman at the marriage of Sarah and Shep, as Sue reminded me the other day.)
Just another thought.
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 06/26/98
To: email@example.com
Vince, if you will check the Lott time line on my web page, you will find in Oct 1808 in Washington Co., MS Terr. the probate of John Lott. I think this is the John4 that you refer to above whom Frances Blitch claimed was born 1742 and died 1810. His heirs were named as follows: Elizabeth, Robert, Luke, John, and Jesse. Of course we know that there was a son Mark who stayed in Georgia who was not in this group. John and Sally had 3 children born by the time he received land in St. George's Par. in 1764, therefore, some of the above must have been 40-50 years old in 1808. The Elizabeth was apparently an old maid.
It seems more likely to me that the above Sarah Lott was a daughter of Arthur (killed by the Indians) and the bondsman Arthur was her brother and my ancestor born 1788 who settled in Smith Co., TX.
John Barron
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 06/28/98
To: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
I have uploaded the latest version of my paper entitled "A Review of the Colonial Southern Lott Family" to my web page. Some of you have reviewed it already and given me some suggestions for additions and changes. Some of which have been done and some pending. I would love to hear comments from the rest of you about the paper. I would eventually like to publish this in a national quarterly, but at present do not have the time to devote to doing this.
Subj: Arthur LOTT
Date: 98-07-04 14:50:48 EDT
From: Barry1737
To: JBarron933
I saw your query of Sun Mar 9 09:17:52 1997 which reads, in part:
"Arthur LOTT who was killed by Indians in route to Miss Terr in 1812. His widow, Sarah Ann CLAPP LOTT remarried John WARREN in Marion Co. about 1816."
Can you tell me when Arthur LOTT died or direct me to a source for further information on him ?
Barry Peterson
Subj: more "stuff"
Date: 98-07-05 18:46:10 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (sandi capps)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
A couple of more items:
Brian's son
Michael Christopher Capps - DOB 5/4/93
Christy and Darryl's daughter
Caitlin Elizabeth Lott - DOB 11/4/97
See you, Sandi
Subj: Creek War-Lott
Date: 98-07-09 09:46:47 EDT
From: Lucbick
To: JBarron933
John I went to the Gulfport Library yesterday and ask about Creek War books. I found the following (you may already have this info):
The Creek War of 1813 and 1814 by H. S. Halbert and T. H Ball
"The Lower and Upper Creeks united their efforts in having justice dealt out to the murderers of William Lott." (page 87)
"It appears from this letter (General James Wilkinson letter dated Sam Manacs, Creek Nation, June 25, 1813) that open war among the Creeks had not then commenced but might break out any day. Weatherford was at that time friendly. (Some suggest that the Weatherford mentioned in the letter was not the noted William but Jack Weatherford, but, if so, it will not affect the statement as a fact, although affecting it as a conclusion: for as a fact it rests on other evidence.)
The murderers referred to in this valuable letter are no doubt those concerned in the murder of Thomas Meredith and William, or as some call him, Arthur, Lott. General Woodard says: "I have often heard Sam Moniac say, that if Lott had not been killed at the time he was, it was his belief that the war could have prevented." (page
These were the only Lott references that I found in that book. There was no reference in some of the other books.
I will look when I am in other libraries.
Subj: Re: Creek War-Lott
Date: 07/09/98
To: Lucbick
Lucy, I have seen the book at the Univ. of Texas library and cited it as contemporary evidence of the death of Arthur Lott. The letter, not the book, was written in 1812. Isn't it a great source. Should make us even more aware of just how prominent this Lott family was.
Subj: More Lott musings
Date: 98-07-10 10:25:33 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Vince Herrin)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
I have a couple of more items for you to pass around to the group, if you will.
More on Sarah Lott Herring: a distant cousin wrote me and said she had the parents of Sarah listed as William Lott and Sarah Wiggins Lott. These names do not appear in the Lott info on the website. She's not sure what the source was, but thinks it was passed down information from older family members (this may have come from Carroll Watts). Anyone seen these names before?
I came across something else from Carroll Watts in some old notes I had (I visited with him once not too long before he passed away); this item concerns Absolem Lott and the maiden name of his wife. Mr. Watts had her listed as "probably" a Lightfoot. Has anyone else seen this before?
Just thought I'd throw these items out.
Subj: Re: More Lott musings
Date: 07/10/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Thanks, Vince. I don't have any info on a William Lott and Sarah Wiggins marriage. It appears that at least two William Lotts came to MS in 1812: 1) a brother of Arthur killed by the Indians and 2) a son of Arthur. There may have been another already living there too.
The Lightfoot name has been suggested for two Lott wives including the Martha wife of Absolom. I don't think that Sue accepts it, however, since she feels it is still in the legendary state. Right Sue?
Thanks for your continued research results. John
Subj: Lott Family Tree
Date: 98-07-15 14:22:17 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (The Lotts)
To: email@example.com
Hello John,
My name is Ed Lott. I have been researching Lott family tree and continue to putter with it from time to time. My father's cousin, Bill Jones of Bremen, Ga suggested that you put me on the "Lott Circle" for e-mail. I was able to input some of the voids in the Ellis Lott family tree developed and maintained by Bill Jones. I have been working toward getting beyond Ellis. Our e-mail address is firstname.lastname@example.com.
Regards, Ed & Diana Lott
Subj: Re: [LOTT-L] Lott query
Date: 07/16/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 98-07-16 20:52:27 EDT, you write:
<< We are looking for information on ancestors of my ggf John Lott, b. abt 1850, m. Nellie Bond probably in Bond, MS. Dtr, Kizzie Arminda b. 4-28-1870 m. Seth Smith.
Robert Leonard Smith
Robert, I saw your query on the LOTT Roots Web. I hope you get some help, but don't count on it. Seems like they're all Yankees on that list. I would invite you to join us on the Lott Circle. It is a list of researchers working on the southern Lotts, mostly descendants of John Lott born about 1700 possibly VA. I'm sure your above John is a descendant and the problem is to find which line.
I put the results of our searches on my web page. I did not find the above John, however. Have you found him with his father on the 1860 census? You can access the web page by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: [LOTT-L] Lott
Date: 98-07-18 22:41:38 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (tpenny)
To: email@example.com
Hi, I was at the library the other day and found a book called "Blood on the Bluebonnets" it mentions several Lotts in it. I am trying to narrow down who could be my Mary Lotts parents. I've not had a lot of luck. The book mentions the Lotts who lived at Washington on the Brazos and who had stores and hotels there. There was a Robert Lott who is mentioned in the book as coming to Texas in 1836. I was wondering if anyone has information on this man. My Mary Lott was born in 1830. She and her family came to Texas when she was young. I do not know of any of her siblings. She married Absolom Downs in 1849 in Anderson county Texas. If anyone can help me I would appreciate it.
Teresa Penny
Subj: Lott
Date: 98-07-19 00:06:27 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Michael Taylor)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com
I really enjoyed you page. Do you know anyone that is researching a John C. Lott that married Mary Jane Williamson in Lawrence co. in 1872. They had at least two children, Griffith Lancaster and Margaret Lott. This may be the J. C. Lott that was the son of George W. Lott that was married to Mary Watts. My g-grandfather was Griffith (Griff) and lived in Covington for a long time. If you have any knowledge of this family or know of anyone that does, I would appreciate the help. I am try hard to connect this family to the rest of the Lotts in Covington.
Thanks for the great web page,
Subj: Lott Family
Date: 98-07-20 23:51:55 EDT
From: BMann7
To: JBarron933
John, John Griffin suggested I should contact you. I am trying to find some information on the family of an ancestor of mine, Kizziah Lott. Have also seen it spelled Kezziah and Kessiah. She married Moses Manning Jr. c. 1753. The Manning family came from Virginia in the area around Norfolk and New Kent county. Moses Manning Jr was born 1731. Moses Sr died 1792 in Onslow County, N.Car. and Moses Jr died 1810 in Sumter Dist., S. Car. John said you have a Lott web page and might be able to put me in touch w/ someone researching Lott families in the area of VA, NC, SC in the mid 1700's. Would appreciate any help you could give me. What is the URL for your web page?
Brad Manning
Subj: Re: Lott Family
Date: 07/21/98
To: BMann7
Brad, thanks for your query. I don't know about this marriage. If Kizziah Lott were from the John Lott line then they would have been in Duplin Co., NC, at the time and shortly after the whole bunch left for the Georgia frontier. I do recall the name Manning in documents concerning the Lotts and will try to locate them. You should check the John Lott time line on my web page for possible connections.
I invite you to join our southern Lott family on-line research group. We store messages and research results on my web page (when I can get the time). The url is as follows <http://members.aol.com/JBarron933>. Since you are on aol you should also be able to access it by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Arthur Lott
Date: 98-07-22 10:21:47 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (W. B. Moore)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
My g-g-g-g-grandfather was the Arthur Lott killed by Indians in AL while moving to Marion Co MS. I have a large Lott database which I would gladly share with you. My computer skills are not such that I can send a gedcom file with e-mail. If you will give me a mailing address I will make a diskette and send it to you. His children were Wm, J John, Arthur Jr, Solomon, Absolom, Nathan, Penelope, Patience, Abraham, and Mary. I have Arthur's wife as Sarah Watkins, others agree with you that she was a Clapp. How do you relate?
bill moore
Subj: Re: Arthur Lott
Date: 07/22/98
To: email@example.com
I'm routing your message to our on-line Lott research group as many of them share our kinship to Arthur Lott. I invite you to join our group. Just let me know and I'll add your name to the list.
I'm not sure I think that his wife's name was Clapp, but I am sure it wasn't Watkins. Carroll Watts speculated that it was Watkins perhaps because Penelope Lott Watts named her oldest child Watkins (Wadkins) Watts. He made it clear to me that it was speculation in correspondence in the early '80s, but apparently others did not understand and it has been widely circulated as such.
We store research results and messages on my web page and have discussed this at length. You can access the site by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page If you will check affidavit by Henry Johnson which is stored on the web page, you will see the reference to Sarah Ann Clapp. I don't know how accurate this information is since it comes about 70 years after her death. I do know that it is a self serving document meant to help his friends get land grants in Oklahoma by claiming to be Indians and I don't believe any of the stuff about Indians.
I descend from Arthur Lott (killed by the Indians) through son Arthur who settled in Smith Co., TX, and his wife Elizabeth Watts (dau of Thomas Watts). I'd be interested in your evidence concerning Arthur and Sarah's children. I'd like to know what happened to son John.
John Barron
Subj: Correction for Joshua and Rosanna Barnes Lott
Date: 98-07-22 23:25:24 EDT
From: USER MACKS
To: JBarron933
Hi John:
Sorry I haven't been any help with the research on Lott family. I hope to change that one day. I love reading all the Lott Circle entries. Thank you so much for making it possible.
I have two corrections on the Joshua/Rosanna Barnes Lott entry. (This is my branch so I was particularly interested in them.) It was probably a typo but I thought you'd like to have the correction. In your register you have:
39. Joshua5 Lott (Luke4, John3, John2, John1); born 23 Jul 1802 GA(__________, "Lott Family Bible Record," , p. 16, Said family bible of Roseann Lott (dau of Joshua and Roseanne Barnes Lott). Gave list of children of Luke Lott and wife Cynthie and their birthdates.); married Rosanna Barnes 5 Feb 1824 Marion Co., TX(__________, "Lott Family Bible Record," , p. 16.).
The place of marriage should be Marion Co., MS (instead of TX) and 12 of Feb. 1824. The license date was 5 Feb. 1824. My info comes from "Marriage Records, Marion County 1812-1860, Book C) If you would like to have a photocopy of the entry, I'll be glad to send it. Just let me know.
I've located Joshua and Roseanna on the 1860 Census of Marion County, MS with the right ages. The children in that household were James, age 18; Jesse, age 11; Joshua L. age 5; Roseann, age 12; Sarahann, age 10; and Pauline, age 6. Their son John (my ancestor), age 24 in 1860 Marion County, MS census was listed with wife Margarette (maiden name Pounds), age 20, with two children Julyann 4 and Roseann 9/12. (Actually "Julyann" should be Julia. She was my great grandmother)
I still haven't organized the bits and pieces I have on my Lott branch. I hope to one day compare it to your's and then send you anything I might have that you don't. I have descendant info on Joshua's son John but Dan Lott might have given you all that.
Thanks again for all your hard work on recording the family history.
Best Regards,
Donna McClendon McGuyer
Subj: Arthur Lott
Date: 98-07-24 11:13:24 EDT
From: email@example.com (W. B. Moore)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: email@example.com
Thanks for your reply. I will send you my database and will appreciate your appraisal of it. Am looking up my Watkins source and will send that also. As to the Indian blood. My great grandmother who I knew used to claim Indian blood in the family. I am now working with an Indian descendant of Amy Lott. He lives in Washington State and researches Indian files-sends me masses of stuff. I have copies of applications for membership in Indian nations from the children of Nathan Lott and Dicy Watts and two sons and the brother of Everette Elisha Lott. There is something to the Indian stories but I do not yet understand it all.
bill moore
Subj: [Fwd: Your last message to the Lott Circle]
Date: 98-07-24 14:29:00 EDT
From: email@example.com (Gerald R GALLAGHER)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Dear John,
I am forwarding a copy of a message that I miss addressed.
Gerald Gallagher
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:21:20 -0500
From: Gerald R GALLAGHER <firstname.lastname@example.com>
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X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I)
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Subject: Your last message to the Lott Circle
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In your last message to the Lott Circle, you mention an application by one of Elisha Everett Lott's brothers. I am a descendant of his brother, Solomon Lott, and I would be every interested in which brother you are referencing and any additional information. Solomon Lott and Martha Lott had a daughter named Anna A. Lott who married William Henry Thorn. These were my great grandparents.
Gerald Gallagher
Subj: Re: [Fwd: Your last message to the Lott Circle]
Date: 98-07-25 12:01:59 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Gerald R GALLAGHER)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com
Dear John;
The reason I had to forward my original message to you was that I messed up your address by putting too many "r"s in it and I wanted you to know that the Lott Circle is putting people in touch with each other that would probably never exchange information. Thanks.
By the way, I am making progress in documenting the descendants to Anna A. Lott and William Henry Thorn and hope to have something to contribute soon.
Gerald Gallagher
Subj: Re: Catherine/Katherine Watts
Date: 07/26/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
File: \TMGW\REPORTS\WATTS.GED (236164 bytes)
DL Time (32000 bps): < 2 minutes
In a message dated 98-07-26 11:54:17 EDT, you write:
<< Do you have a gedcom that would include this branch of Watts/Lott ? I would appreciate any help. I have quite abit on the Hornsby family and would be glad to share whatever I have. >>
Hi Rex, thanks for the nice words. Would you like me to put your e-mail address on the list to receive Lott Circle messages? There are 30+ of us and we get going pretty good at times. There may be some who are also related to the Hornsbys.
Attached is a gedcom I made for John Watts (the one that's on the web site). It doesn't have all the Lott people in it but has a bunch of them since son Thomas (my ancestor) married a Lott girl. It is gedcom 5.5 from The Master Genealogist. If this doesn't work for you let me know what genealogy program you use and I can perhaps make another more appropriate for you.
I don't normally like to send or receive attachments due to virus problems. In this case, however, I feel you are safe since I have just checked my system with the latest virus checking software for the new 26th virus that's going around and all 16,000+ files were ok.
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: John C. Lott & Griffith Lott
Date: 98-07-28 16:35:14 EDT
From: email@example.com (Michael Taylor)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com
I am looking for anyone that might have some information on the John C. Lott that married Mary Jane Williamson. Need a firm connection between John and his possible father, George W. Lott. Mary Jane Lott and her children were living with her father, Abner Williamson, in the 1880 census. Where was John Lott? The 1900 Covington census listed Mary Jane Lott as being divorced. The 1910 census listed Mary Jane Lott as a widow. Does anyone know the location of John C. Lott in the 1880 and 1900 census? Mary and John had known children: Thomas, Margaret and Griffith Lancaster Lott. Margaret m. George Parkman. Info on any of these Lotts would be appreciated.
Thanks, Michael
Subj: John Lott
Date: 98-07-28 08:55:03 EDT
From: Turn1104
To: JBarron933
I was going through my old mail and came across your inquiry of John Lott and Elizabeth Joyner. I was in Johnston County, NC about a month ago and found that John Lott had sold land there. I didn't record the date. In 1792 Solomon Joiner sold Isham Finch 100A. This may be Solomon Junior. I would be interested in any information you have on this family. I am working on a book of the Joyners of Edgecombe and Nash County. Also I am gathering information on any families who passed through our area no matter how long they stayed. Information is being placed in family vertical files in our library in the genealogy room. Thanks. I will keep your letter and if I run across anything else will let you know.
Helen Sharpe
Subj: Re: John Lott
Date: 07/29/98
To: Turn1104
In a message dated 98-07-29 11:41:52 EDT, you write:
<< Do you have any further information on the Joyner side of the family? It appears John Lott named some of his children after Elizabeth's brothers. The next time I get to Johnston County or to the archives, I will check the reference to John Lott there. >>
Thanks, Helen. I have received a little more on the Joyners, but have not got it organized in any manner as yet. I plan to put it on my web page when I do.
There is something that I would like to know about the Johnston Co. area. About 1760, John Lott (born c1720) and his sons left NC for St. George's Parish, GA. I think the old John stayed, however, and perhaps left sometime later. I think they both went to the Tory Mobile area at the start of the Rev. War. I'd be interested if a John Lott sold his property in the time period 1765-75 in Duplin/Johnston Co.
Would appreciate any help. John
Subj: Re: John Lott
Date: 98-07-29 11:41:52 EDT
From: Turn1104
To: JBarron933
John, I went to your web page. I really enjoyed reading the info. I just didn't have enough time to go through it all. Do you have any further information on the Joyner side of the family? It appears John Lott named some of his children after Elizabeth's brothers. The next time I get to Johnston County or to the archives, I will check the reference to John Lott there. Of course Duplin is next to Johnston and could have easily been picked up from there. It appears there is a lot of confusion on the Johns. We have a lady in our genealogical club that knows a lot about this area. I will try to talk to her about them. She is mapping the land along the Tar River and always welcomes any information as to where people lived. Thanks again. If I can be of any help let me know. I live in Nash County and have access to a lot of local records.
Helen Sharpe
Subj: Smorgasbord
Date: 98-07-30 13:54:16 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Sandra Casey)
To: email@example.com (Jenny Casey)
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com (John Barron)
I'm just trying to check back with you now that I'm working on the LSU campus and see if what you wanted me to check was obituaries at Hill Memorial Library from old newspapers for Arthur J. Lott (or wife), and/or recheck the Louisiana State Archives for any further info it might hold on more than one Arthur J. Lott's (1 as a captain, and 1 as a private) being in the Confederate Army. And I'm not sure whether I checked for a book on Mortalities from Louisiana. I could also try checking the LA 1870, 1880 censuses for the pertinent parishes and see how many are listed there.
John: I'm still trying to get my e-mail server corrected so can possibly work on that tonight. As of now I cannot be reached at email@example.com, nor at the sandra@trsl address. I would hope the firstname.lastname@example.com is up and working. Gary Lott called to tell me I'd missed a bunch of e-mail lately.
Tomorrow, I'm supposed to get the news that I'm a grandma for the 7th time. They're expecting a girl, so that will uneven the kids to 3 boys and 4 girls; but it's not yet written in stone.
More later, cousins
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 07/30/98
Got the following from the Watts Roots-Web Digest. Looks pretty interesting with Watts' and Popes from Isle of Wight.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:32:54 +0000
From: Jennie <email@example.com>
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Message-Id: <firstname.lastname@example.com>
Subject: [WATTS-L] John Watts
Wills & Administrations of Isle of Wight Co in VA 1647-1800 Book I - Book III
WATTS, John: leg.--son John dtr. Sarah Pope; my three youngest children.
Exs., son John & son-in-law Henry Pope
Wit: James Tullagh, Jane Benn, Henry Butts p. 386
WATTS, John: Appraisal by Thomas Pitt, Kingsmele Minard, Thomas Gross, Robert Pope. 04-09-1698 p. 416
Thought this may help someone. Not sure who he is.
Jennie Soder
Subj: Another in the Line
Date: 98-07-31 14:26:28 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Sandra Casey)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com (John Barron)
CC: email@example.com
Please add to your Lott/McClung descendancy:
Eleanor Ann Casey
d.o.b. 7/31/98, @ 11:48 a.m.
She is now the youngest daughter of Drs. Sherri and Rick Casey!
Cuz' Sandra
Subj: Web Page
Date: 98-08-01 00:24:22 EDT
From: email@example.com (Dr. Robert Smith)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Cousin John:
Your web page is beyond all expectations! What a job of research you have done. O yes, we liked the picture too. Good to see what you look like in the midst of a lecture. You suggested that I send my home address, which I will do, but with this amount of info, I no longer need for you to send the disk. We have started with the descendants of John Lott. We plan to incorporate this data into our "tree" up to Arthur and then on up from there. We will be in Austin on Aug. 22 to meet with some of the Smith/Horton kinfolks. We will give you a call.
My home address is: Robert L. Smith
3 Quail Creek
Brownwood, Tx 76801
Phone (915) 646-4814
Business Address: Howard Payne University (I am a prof. of Christian Studies)
1000 Fisk PO Box 821
Brownwood, TX 76801
Phone (915) 646-2502 ext, 5412
More later, Bob
Subj: Re: Watts - Barfoot
Date: 98-08-02 19:57:34 EDT
From: SallyMBU
To: email@example.com
CC: JBarron933
Hi Durk!
I just got your e-mail. My ggrandmother was Artimesia (Artie) Watts, eldest child of Elbert Watts and Permelia Barfoot. She married William Turner in Camp San Saba, TX. They had the following children: Elder W., Silas, Florence G. , Oscar, Willis S., Cora Lottie, Martha Ann, (my grandmother) Austin D., Aron L.. I was just beginning to do some research on the family when I was lucky enough to get a response from email@example.com(JBarron933) Clearly 90% of the information I have came from his home page and the rest from family members. I also have a few pictures. I am more than willing to share what I have. Most is the same as jbarron. I have been asking around among the older relatives. Memory does fade. Do you have any information on the Indian connection? I know that it is true, but it is hard to prove. My aunt, now 90 years old remembers a "grandfather Watts" who was in Texas, he wore his hair in braids and had been living in OK in Indian territory. He returned to live as an Indian in OK, a live style he preferred. Another time, our family took my great aunt Cora, Artie and William's daughter to Weed, NM to visit her cousin, Ed Watts. Does any of this sound familiar to you? Aron Turner, Artie and William's son was struck by lightning and was killed as he worked in the field. He had moved under a tree to wait out the storm and was struck. I am continuing to try to gather information, but since I live in California, it is slow and go. Let me know if you have anything on the Watts and Turner or other related families.
Subj: Re Lott info
Date: 98-08-05 07:26:46 EDT
From: email@example.com (Martha J Rader)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Hi. I was going through your Lott material that James Michael Lee sent that he got off the internet and would like to ask a question: On Luke Lott (War of 1812) (John 3, John 2, John 1) - He married Cynthia Herring (I had Herrin before) anyway, Cynthia is listed as being born 1790 - you indicate that by the date of the census - then she is married about 1800 - she would only be 10?? and only 12 when their first child Joshua was born 23 Jul 23 1820 - just wondering if this is really right??
Subj: Re: Re Lott info
Date: 08/07/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Martha, I'm routing your message to our research group. I invite you again to join us. I'm sure that somehow (believe it or not) I made another boo boo with the marriage date and I haven't had a chance to look at it or change it yet. This is the line of many in the group, however, and they will know which is right without looking. If your dates are correct, however, she would have been 30 when Joshua was born (unless you meant 1802). Herring and Herrin are used interchangeably in the old records (could be a result of that silent "g" that us southerners inherited from our ancestors).
You see this is the strength of this group: someone will see any error or contradiction and challenge you on it. I love this and it will lead to the best analysis of the evidence (you will note that I never use the word proof in conjunction with genealogy).
Subj: Lott Gedcom
Date: 08/07/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Bill, I got your gedcom and loaded it into a PAF 3 data base. Looks like you have done a lot of good work here on the line of your William and his descendants (son Thomas Peter Carnes Lott came to Goliad Co., Texas). For this reason, I will be glad to put the gedcom on the web site for others to use. I think, however, that you need to do some more research on the early family members. For instance in your notes for your earliest John Lott, it appears that you have combined the info of the 3 colonial Johns of the line into one. In my paper on the web site entitled "A Review of the Colonial Southern Lott Family" I have tried to distinguish these three men.
The evidence is, of course, murky and subject to different interpretations, but I have tried to back up each of my conclusions with evidence that can be found in the public records for others to evaluate. For that reason each name, date, and location that we include in our genealogy records should be given some sort of a reference citation so that it can be evaluated by other folks.
Your Lott records reflect what I have called the "party line" first put forward by Frances Blitch in her DAR application in 1960 and further complicated by the writings of Folks Huxford in his "Pioneers of Wiregrass Country." Mrs. Blitch's work contained much supposition and little real evidence that can be located now, however, it has been widely disseminated as fact. I don't accept very much of it and if you will read some of the early Lott Circle message on the web site, you will find a lot of discussion on these documents.
As to my own line of Arthur in Smith Co., TX, there is no evidence of a son Arthur who died in 1850. I've never seen a record of Arthur with a middle initial of K. The John Lott in Harrison County was a son of Solomon Lott and not a brother of my Arthur as has been asserted by Wayne Page.
I hope you will accept my criticism of your work in the spirit that it intended: not personal, but to help further research into the Lott family. I will put you on the Lott Circle mailing list and look forward to discussing research results with you. The Indian records are interesting as always, but once again they are sworn statements to events which occurred prior to the person's birth (hearsay evidence).
Subj: Re: Re Lott info
Date: 98-08-07 16:35:14 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (GARY LOTT)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
MARION COUNTY MS. CENSUS RECORDS OF 1850 INDICATE THAT LUKE LOTT'S WIFE C. WAS 60 YEARS OF AGE BORN IN GA. (b. 1790?)??
1840 RECORDS SHOW 1 FEMALE AGE 50-60 IN HOUSEHOLD (b. 1780-1790?)??
1830 RECORDS SHOW 1 FEMALE AGE 20-40 IN HOUSEHOLD (b. 1790-1810?)??
1820 SAYS 1 AGE 26-45 (b. 1785-1794?)?? WITH 8 CHILDREN UNDER 26 YRS, THE OLDEST I SUPPOSE BEING JOSHUA, BORN 1802, WHO WOULD BE ABOUT 17 YEARS OF AGE. IT WAS NOT UNCOMMON FOR A GIRL TO MARRY AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE, AND SHE MUST HAVE BEEN FAIRLY STRONG TO HAVE HAD 8 CHILDREN BY THE TIME SHE WAS 30 YEARS OLD, AVERAGING 1 EVERY TWO YEARS
GARY LOTT (gggggson of LUKE AND CYNTHIA)
Subj: [LOTT-L] Re:Daniel Lott Sr.
Date: 98-08-07 21:00:43 EDT
From: email@example.com (J.B. Childers)
To: email@example.com
I am trying to find proof about the wives of Daniel Lott Sr. Daniel was the son of Mark Lott (1769-1813) AND DELILAH JONES (1771-1842) DANIEL WAS BORN 25 JUN 1791 Effingham County (now Emanual County) Georgia and died 19 jun 1872 at Douglas, Coffee county, Georgia. He first married Lucinda "lucy" Peterson 25 Aug 1814 Telfair County, Georgia and had the following children I thought??
Mark (1815-1863)
Elizabeth (1817-1885)
Mary Jane "Pink" (1820-1881)
Elisha (1822-1886)
Hester Ann (1824-1892)
Joel (1826-1895)
Daniel (1927-1913)
John Madison (1831-1907)
Narcissus (1933-1897)
Martha Jane (1835-1879)
Arthur (1838-1903)
Richard (1840-1862)
Sarah A. (1842-1902)
Solomon (1844-?)
Jackson (1846-1890)
He next married Frances "Fanny" Gaskin 26 Oct 1848 Telfair County, Georgia and had the following children
Jesse (1850-?)
Elias (1853-1932)
David (1855-1896)
James Seaward (1857-)
His next wife Catherine "Caty" Bowen-Carver who was his mistress and it is said that the last five children
Richard (1840-1862)
Sarah A. (1842-1902)
Solomon (1844-?)
Jackson (1846-1890)
were by Catherine and were illegitimate. My wife is a direct descant of Sarah A Lott who married Siimon Peter Gaskin 8 Nov 1865, Coffee County, Georgia. I would like to find some proof of who Sarah A. Lott parents were. Either Lucinda Peterson or Catherine "Caty" Bowen-Carver. If her mother was Catherine "Caty" Bowen-Carver I would like to know more about her and her parents.
Subj: Re: [LOTT-L] Re:Daniel Lott Sr.
Date: 08/08/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-08-07 21:00:43 EDT, you write:
<< am trying to find proof about the wives of Daniel Lott Sr. Daniel was the son of Mark Lott (1769-1813) AND DELILAH JONES >>
I administer an on-line group of researchers who study the southern Lott family. I invite you to join us. You can see some of our research results on my web page by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page
Using the suffix Sr. or Jr. is meaningless when discussing the Lott family since they all named their children basically the same names. If you want to find solid evidence of the parents of the above Daniel (and do the Lott researching community a huge favor at the same time) find the article in the Douglasville, GA, paper about 1953-4 which supposedly gave the Bible record of Mark Lott. The whereabouts of the Bible is not known and no one seems to have ever seen this article except Frances Blitch who used it as evidence in her DAR application on John Lott (father of the above Mark).
Subj: Re: Lott
Date: 08/08/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-08-07 21:49:50 EDT, you write:
<< Hi, I was wondering if your Absolom Lott came to Bosque County, Texas. Also is there a William Ellis or Mark Lott in your line. Thank you
I administer an on-line group of 30+ researchers who study the southern Lott family. There is at least one member who is a descendant of the above Absolom Lott and I have studied him extensively as perhaps a son of my Arthur Lott of Smith Co. I have since learned that he is the son of Luke Lott and Cynthia Herring of Marion Co., MS.
I invite you to join our group. You can get an idea of our research results by clicking on the following to access my web page John Barron's Home Page
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Re: [LOTT-L] Daniel Lott, Sr.
Date: 98-08-08 12:26:43 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (The Rima Family)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
According to the notes of Judge Foks Huxford, founder of the Huxford Genealogy Society of Coffee County, I have the following:
"... During the ensuing 10 years (after the birth of Arthur in 1838) five illegitamate children were born ------ CARVER by Daniel Lott Sr. which he took into his home and reared with his other children; giving them his name, etc. vis:
Richard 4/17/1840 m. Bettie Peterson
Sarah 2/3/1842 m. 1. David KIRKLAND 2. Simon P. GASKIN
Solomon 3/19/1844 died young
Jackson 2/8/1846 m. Delilah Hall
Frances 2/16/1848 m. Willie Vickers
The second wife of Daniel Lott was Frances Gaskins..."
You have what he has for children of Frances.
Therefore according to the Judge, he had Katy Carver as a mistress before he married Frances, and the dates of the births are after the children of Lucinda. Also the Judge has Lucinda dying on 3/17/1848. Ordinary 1864-70? (whatever that means)
This is not "proof" but I think it is safe to say that Sarah is the daughter of Katy Carver, not Lucinda, since Judge Huxford was a well-respected genealogist in Georgia.
BTW, I too am directly related to Sarah Lott; I however am related through her first husband David Kirkland, not Simon Gaskin. Their children were:
Dora Ann b 12/13/1863 (my direct ancestor)
Mitchell 12/11/1861
Elizabeth 9/21/1859
Also, do you have a source for the death of Sarah A. Lott in 1902? I don't have it. Also, is BOWEN the maiden name for Katy Carver? I don't have anything other than a name for her.
Subj: Re: Lott
Date: 98-08-08 20:58:09 EDT
From: email@example.com (email@example.com)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
FYI ... Dad just e-mailed me my lineage. Here it is ...
Dianne Marie Lott Dean/James Daniel Lott/ Daniel Lott/ Elam Lott/Arthur Lott/Joel Lott/Daniel Lott/Mark Lott/John Lott B 1742/John Lott B1720/John Lott
Dianne Lott Dean
Subj: Re: Lott
Date: 98-08-08 21:15:39 EDT
From: email@example.com (email@example.com)
To: email@example.com
I think, though, there is a William Lott that dad cannot find. I sent him an e-mail a little while ago to verify that. I will let you know what he says. Have you see a William Lott in the 1600's or so in North Carolina or Virginia?
Subj: [Fwd: lineage]
Date: 98-08-08 21:19:04 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (firstname.lastname@example.com)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com (John Barron)
The following is one of dad's comments. I'm still waiting to hear about William.
firstname.lastname@example.com wrote:
> Wasn't there a William Lott that you couldn't find any information on?
> firstname.lastname@example.com wrote:
> > I'm having trouble finding the proof of John Lott's son who was born in 1720
> > and I think his wife's name was Bethany and I need to prove that John and
> > Bethany's son is the John born in 1742 in Duplin County, N.C. and Married
> > Sally
Subj: Your Lott data
Date: 08/08/98
To: email@example.com
Bill, after getting a better look at all your data, I must compliment you on the great amount of work and effort you have done. I loaded your gedcom into a PAF3 data base and also migrated it to a Master Genealogist data base. As I said earlier, if you can shore up your earlier generations and document your events (births, marriages, deaths, etc.) you are well on your way to a book on the Lott family. I'd like to help with such a project.
I have been doing a little research on Dr. Arthur J. Lott who lived in Austin, TX, in the 1850s. I didn't know who he belonged to and was thinking he may have been a son of the John Lott of Washington Co., TX. But now I see that you have him as Arthur Jenkins Lott and as a son of your William. I think he was living in Louisiana in 1860s and some of our group have requested information on him. I found where his wife's estate was probated in Austin about 1868 and his son C. Billy Lott did some real estate transactions in the 1870s, but I haven't looked them up yet. In this section of your records, you use abbreviations of T Co., MS and M, MS. What do these stand for? Do you have his Bible records? I'm sure that a transcription of them would be of great interest to our group.
Subj: Lotts
Date: 98-08-09 19:12:18 EDT
From: email@example.com (J.B. Childers)
To: email@example.com
Want to let you know that you were a big help with your home page on my Lotts genealogy, now if only I can find the parents of Catherine Carver-Bowen who was the wife of Daniel Lott I will be doing good.
I expect to spend a least a week this winter in South Georgia researching my wife's ancestors. Lotts, Joyner, Gaskin, Harper, Heard, Jones, Brown, Stone, Roberts & Parson. I think I can forget about the Peterson & Alford.
I see that you are in Austin Texas. You might give Mrs James A. Gaskin "Ethelyn" a call as she married James A. Gaskin, son of Arthur, son of Simon Peter who married Sarah Lott.
J. B. "Jack" Childers
Subj: Your 7 Aug message
Date: 98-08-10 11:34:33 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (W. B. Moore)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com
Very much appreciate your comments on my database. I expected about what I got and have made the simple corrections you suggested. The matter of E.E. Lot's ancestry has bothered me for some time since his sons and a brother who made application to the Dawes Commission for Indian citizenship gave the ancestry you have while Page insisted on that contained in my files.
I have a good bit of hard support for some of this work but laid over it Page's work which I have found to be faulty in places. It is my desire to correct and add to these files as I correspond with you and your group. I must admit to being in awe at all the messages I am receiving and will have to take some time to respond intelligently. I have Arthur Jenkins Lott's Bible and will send you copies of what it contains. My database is consistant with those records. Y county is Yalobusha, T is Tallahatchie, M is Marion.
bill moore
Subj: Re: Lott
Date: 98-08-11 01:11:15 EDT
From: J I CJ 134
To: JBarron933
Thank you for the information you have been seening me. It has been very helpful. I'm new to this so any thing helps. Do you have any information on a Thomas E. Lott? I think he may be Elizabeth Lott's brother. He is my grandfather. My dad was 5 when his mother (Iva Duckworth Lott) died and 10 when my grandfather died. My father is a lot older than I am and doesn't know much about his family because he was so young when his parents died so I'm trying to find out what I can. My father was 37 when I was born. He was born in Covington Co. MS. any information I would love to have. And THANK YOU for all you have sent.
Thanks again, Iva Carol Lott Johnson
Subj: Re: Update - Arthur J. (Jenkins) Lott
Date: 98-08-11 09:08:46 EDT
From: email@example.com (Sandra Casey)
To: email@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com
I went to the library and found a new looseleaf collection of cemetery sites where Louisiana Confederate soldiers, who died in the war were buried. It was compiled by N. Wayne Cosby, dated June 1, 1998, and is based on Booth's book and says to look further at the pension and military records in the state archives.
Unfortunately, it only listed Private Robert E. Lott as a casualty, no Arthur J. Lotts, and Robert was buried in a mass grave in St. Mary's Cemetery at Point Lookout, MD having died in a Prison Camp there 8/5/1864.
Checked the LA census again for 1860 and again found in Jackson Parish only (town of Vernon) Dr. Arthur J. Lott, Ms. Lott, Arthur, and Willie Lott.
More later, Sandra
Subj: Re: Re Lott info
Date: 98-08-13 13:53:49 EDT
From: email@example.com (GARY LOTT)
To: email@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com
Subj: Re: Thomas Lott/Iva Duckworth
Date: 98-08-13 23:48:47 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Martha J Rader)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
CC: email@example.com
Hi Iva.
I got a copy of you 'e-mail asking about Thomas E. Lott and Iva Duckworth. John can probably give you the informaion on the Lott line, but I just wondered how much you had on the Duckworths? There is a Bill Brown who puts out a Rogers/Rodgers family newsletter that includes a lot of Duckworths as they intermarried several times and he might be able to help on your maternal line - I didn't know if you knew about him. Also there is a book called Some Rogers, Duckworth and Welborn Families by Carl Ellison. I haven't found Iva listed yet (do you know her parents?) Also, would love to have your line from T&I Lott down if you care to share with me. My line is down through the Rawls as follows:
Direct Descendants of Benjamin DUCKWORTH
1 Benjamin DUCKWORTH b: Abt 1765 in VA or Mecklenburg Co., NC d: Abt 1840 Burial: Moss Point, Jackson, , MS
. +'Polly' DUCKWORTH b: Abt 1771 in SC OR NC d: Mar 1860 in Smith or Jasper Co., MS
2 Zabud Franklin 'John' DUCKWORTH, Sr. b: 28 Apr 1792 in Anson Co., SC d: 03 Sep 1863 in Williamsburg, Covington Co., MS Burial: Sep 1863 Leaf River Cemetery, Covington Co., MS
.... +Mary Jane THOMPSON b: 05 Feb 1803 in SC m: Jun 1819 in Pendleton Dist., SC? d: 28 Feb 1883 in Covington Co., MS Burial: Feb 1883 Leaf River Cemetery, Covington Co., MS
.. 3 Charity DUCKWORTH b: 19 Apr 1829 in Pendleton Dist., SC d: 08 Sep 1904 in Perry Co., MS Burial: Sep 1904 Rawls Cem., Lamar Co., MS
...... +Benjamin F. RAWLES III b: 19 Aug 1828 in Perry Co., MS m: 09 Dec 1849 d: 17 Dec 1910 in Lamar Co., MS Burial: Dec 1910 Rawls Cem., Old Hattiesburg Rd, MS Military: Civil War MS Volunteers, Co. B 7 Batt'n
..... 4 Daniel L. RAWLES b: 12 Sep 1862 in Perry Co., MS d: 05 Jul 1904 in Wiggins, Jasper Co., MS Burial: Jul 1904 Old Rawls Cem,. Lamar Co., MS
......... +Lu Ella LOTT b: 18 Jul 1874 in Marion Co., MS m: 10 Jan 1889 in Marion Co., MS d: 12 Aug 1903 in Wiggins, Jasper Co., MS Burial: Aug 1903 Old Rawls Cem., Lamar Co., MS
....... 5 Martha Ida RAWLS b: 19 Sep 1891 in Marion Co. MS d: 12 Oct 1977 in Sumrall, Lamar Co. MS Burial: Military Baptist Cemetery, Lamar Co., MS
........... +Levi RUSSELL b: 04 Mar 1889 in Lamar Co. MS m: 09 Dec 1906 in Sumrall, Lamar Co. MS d: 29 Mar 1976 in Sumrall, Lamar Co. MS Burial: Military Baptist Cemetery, Lamar Co., MS
.......... 6 Mary Ellen RUSSELL b: 14 Aug 1916 in Sumrall, Lamar Co., MS
.............. +Elton John Ernest 'Al' HEINTZ b: 18 Jul 1911 in Pasheta, Auglaize Co., OH m: 1935 in Akron, Summit Co., OH d: 31 Mar 1990 in Montrose, Montrose Co., CO Burial: 04 Apr 1990 Mount Lindo Mem. Park, Denver,,CO
............ 7 Martha Jo RUSSELL b: 06 Jun 1936 in Akron, Summit Co. OH
If you are interested, I would gladly share the rest of my line with you?
Martha Rader
Subj: Re: Thomas Lott/Iva Duckworth
Date: 98-08-14 02:06:27 EDT
From: J I CJ 134
To: email@example.com
CC: JBarron933
The information I have is very little. I got it from John. He has a thing on his home page I think is where I got it. Its on his home page I think, but any way it has a listing on cemeteries. Look up New Hope Cemetery. It has a Thomas Everett Lott 12 Dec. 1890-14 Aug 1956 married to a Ina Duckworth Lott 3 sept 1898- 8 Mar. 1956. Her correct name is Iva Duckworth Lott. She is my grandmother. As you can see that is who I'm named after. They're is also a Inez Duckworth Lott 1912, not sure of the connectiion. John may know. I can't find the fill right now John has it though because he sent it to me. Any information you may have on that line would be helpful as my dad was 5 when his mother Iva Duckworth Lott Passed away.
Thank You,
Iva Carol Lott Johnson
Subj: Lott
Date: 98-08-14 02:26:28 EDT
From: J I CJ 134
To: JBarron933
Thanks for the information you have been sending me. Could you please send me your home page again. The last time I got so excited because I found my grandparents in the New Hope Cemetery that I got off so quick to call my dad and tell him I must have lost it. One thing though You have a Thomas Evertt Lott 12 Dec. 1890- 14 Aug. 1945 married to a Ina Duckworth Lott 3 Sept 1898- 8 Mar 1936. That is item # 39 under New Hope Cemetery that should be Iva Duckworth Lott. They are my grandparents. Also something else not sure if you know I didn't until tonight. Columbus, MS Marion County use to be called Lott's Bluff. Any thing else you have I'd love to have . Also how do I get into Your on line research group?
Thank you ,
Iva Lott Johnson
Subj: Re: Lott family
Date: 08/15/98
To: TLott35034
Thanks for your message, Tony. You can access my web page by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page I can assure you that ALL Lott researchers need all the help we can get.
On the web page you will find a number of research aids to help with studying the southern Lott family. Also I moderate an on-line group of 35-40 Lott researchers called the Lott Circle and I will your name to the list. You can view some of our messages from last year on the web page too.
The brothers that you mentioned above were sons of John Lott of Harrison Co., TX, who was a son of Solomon Lott. A number of the Lott Circle members share this lineage. You can see the complete lineage by checking out the "Descendants of John Lott" on the web page.
Elisha Everett Lott married first Mary Ann Lott, the sister of my g-g-grandmother and daughter of Arthur Lott of Smith Co., TX. Solomon J. Lott married another of the sisters. If you would send me your complete line down from E.E. Lott, I will send it to the group and add it to our holdings.
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 08/18/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Bill, I got your letter containing transcription of the Bible records of Arthur Jenkins Lott. Am working to put them on the web page in the near future. Thanks a bunch.
You mentioned something in it about a record of the birth of a slave in Starsville, TX. Guess what, Starrville, TX, is the tiny village in Smith Co. where Arthur Lott (son of Arthur killed by the Indians) lived and died in 1854. I think Arthur Jenkins and Elizabeth may have lived there as there was a deed executed by such a couple in 1859.
In all records from Austin and Travis Co., TX, Elizabeth was referred to as M. Elizabeth Lott. I'm sure the M. Lizzie that was shown in the Bible recs was her.
Was the Civil War unit Arthur J. and son fought in have been from Carroll Parish, LA, or Carroll Co., MS? Many Louisiana records show an Arthur J. Lott (Jr. & Sr. I think) in C.W.
More later, John
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-08-19 20:18:40 EDT
From: TLott35034
To: JBarron933
I've really enjoyed and learned a lot about the Lott's from your Web page! "The Descendants of John Lott" does not list my branch of the family. I'm getting all of the data together and will send it to you asap. My Grandfather Ben Knox Lott and his sister Alta were children of John S. Lott's second wife Mollie Gilliam.
Upon reading the letter you forwarded to me, I think I can help out. Starrville is about 25 miles from my home and even closer to several of the Lott ancestors. It was also the final home of Elisha Everett. In nearby Winona TX. is the "Old Lott Cemetary" where Elisha was buried. Behind the burial plot are the graves of some of the slaves. My cousin, Craig Attaway has all the info. on the cemetery and was responsible for having a State Historical marker placed nearby. It is now on private property but any descendant of the Lott family has permission to visit it.
I've also read a document pertaining to the Arthur Lott that was killed and scalped by Indians. He was traveling from Starrville to Hallsville and was killed near the Kilgore area. If I don't have a copy of this, I shouldn't have any problem getting it.
I have a copy of a document from Yazoo Co. Mississippi for the sale of an 11 yr. old slave girl named Preny (or Breny) for $400 to Arthur Lott on April 23, 1832. The year of 1832 may not be accurate. The copy is somewhat faded on the last digit.
I'll send you all of the data I collect in the next few weeks.
Thanks, Tony
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 08/19/98
To: TLott35034
Tony, I like very much to get your line and will include in the "John Lott Descendant" list on the next update. I've got a lot of new stuff to include from others too.
Any copies of deeds or such documents would also be appreciated and I will share them with the group. I've heard a tale about Arthur Lott (of Smith Co.) having a son killed by Indians, but always blew it off. I would like to see any such evidence that there is pertaining to such an event.
Thanks for your support. I'm trying to make more time to put into my Lott research, but it's a struggle.
Subj: the Lott family
Date: 98-08-20 18:47:02 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (John Crook)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com (firstname.lastname@example.com)
-- [ From: John Crook * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --
Ted Taylor of Mississippi told me about you and the Lotts--I am a descendant of Elizabeth lott and her first husband, Tandy Key Martin. Their daughter born in 1821 was my great great grandmother--her name--Mary Ann Martin Smart--have you ever heard of this Elizabeth--she was supposed to have a brother Nathan and was also supposed to be a Choctaw Indian. Help!
John Crook
Subj: Re: the Lott family
Date: 08/20/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Thanks for your enquiry, John. I don't have a Lott-Martin marriage in my records. I monitor a southern Lott discussion group, however, and we'll see if any of them recognize this couple. I invite you to join our group. Let me know and I'll add your name to the list. We store our research findings on my web page which can be accessed by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page
Do you have a location for their marriage and might it be Marion Co., MS? There were several Nathan Lotts there and later in Covington Co. All Lott descendants think they have Indian blood. No one has shown any evidence of this (that is contemporary with the event) but there are many records that date from the 1890s forward (100 years after the "fact"). As you might surmise I don't believe any of it, but am open to anything new on the subject.
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-08-20 19:18:43 EDT
From: TLott35034
To: JBarron933
CC: email@example.com
Please accept my apology. I was working from memory last night. I do not have an official document about the Lott being killed by Indians. What I found was an interview of Wayne Page in which he listed Arthur Lott III listed as scalped by Indians en route to Hallsville from Starrville. Could be just an old tale. While talking to a cousin Sun. he stated that he had read about the same incident. I'll check with him and also the records at Harrison Co. to see if there is any real documentation.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 08/20/98
To: TLott35034
In a message dated 98-08-20 19:18:43 EDT, you write:
<< What I found was an interview of Wayne Page in which he listed Arthur Lott III listed as scalped by Indians en route to Hallsville from Starrville. >>
Yes, Wayne seems to be the only one that ever heard of this. I don't think Arthur Lott had a son named Arthur. Arthur was in Leake Co., MS, in 1840 (listed as A. Lott with just him and a housefull of girls). The Abraham Lott of Smith Co. may have been his son from an earlier marriage, however. Abraham's daughter was listed as his heir in a legal document from Arthur's widow who remarried Henry Smith.
You can't rule it out, of course, and I would like to get anything you can find on it. I wrote to Andy Leath about this tale and he hadn't heard of it and he's a pretty good Smith Co. historian and distantly related to the Lott family.
Thanks for the help, John
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 08/20/98
To: TLott35034
Hey I've chased a few wild geese in my day too. This stuff is like fishing in the gulf; you never know what you're going to catch.
Subj: Lott
Date: 98-08-21 21:10:34 EDT
From: J I CJ 134
To: JBarron933
Here is my family that I have found so far. Thanks for all your help. The Ben Clifton Lott that you see listed is my father.
Subj: Arthur Jenkins Lott Bible
Date: 08/21/98
Thanks to Lott Circle member Bill Moore <firstname.lastname@example.com> we have the family Bible records of Arthur Jenkins Lott. I have put them on the web page which can be accessed by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page
Below is a letter from Bill concerning this Arthur and I am preparing a family group sheet of him. I would like to have any comments and additional research on him if anyone has any more.
Wm Moore to John Barron
Attached is my reading of the Arthur Jenkins Lott Bible entries. On the last page where the slave birth was recorded in LA there is an unreadable reference to John? Wallace with a birth in the 1860s in Stariville? Texas? Arthur must have been a traveler: born in Marion, MS; moved with his parents to Tallahatchie, MS in about 1830; married in adjourning Yalobusha; buried his first child there (James Moore was my g-ggrandfather and I know the cemetery); Arkansas and Missouri in 47 & 52; Austin & Victoria, TX in 52-3; LA in the early 60s (on a plantation owned by the man in whose MS home he married his second wife); back to MS during the war leading the Carroll Co. Dragoons; Austin, TX by 1867 where he may have died.
I have neither the time or place of his death and can't help wondering how his Bible got back to Oakland, Yalobusha, MS where I found it in the possession of his sister's ggrandson.
Subj: Carroll Dragoons
Date: 98-08-22 12:08:16 EDT
From: email@example.com (W. B. Moore)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com (John C Barron)
I have always assumed these troops were from Carroll County MS because that county is quite close (a few miles) to A J Lott's boyhood home. His grandparents lived in that county. It could have been just as easily Carroll from LA or elsewhere. We'll have to look in CSA records for proof. I"m just getting it through my head that this man lived most of his life out of MS. bill moore
Subj: Lott Ancestry
Date: 98-08-22 16:08:58 EDT
From: Mik MP
To: JBarron933
CC: Mik MP
I thought I would send another query about our ggrandparents to the Lott Circle, since we now have new members who might have some info on them. So far we have not been able to locate anyone who knew them, and we need to find out who the parents of J.L.(James Lott) was.
My ggrandfather was J.L.Lott(James), married to Elizabeth McGee Lott in Miss. in 1865. According to an 1880 Limestone Co. census, J.L. was born in Miss. in 1843, his father was born in La., his mother in Ala.
Elizabeth(Lizzie) McGee Lott(my ggrandmother) was born in Miss. in 1850, her mothers' name was Sukey McGeehe. Her parents were both born in Miss. according to the 1880 Limestone Co. census. My grandmother, Viola, was born in Freestone Co, and was age 5 on this census. She married George W. Cheairs, and they lived at Austonio, Texas all their married life. Her siblings were: Sally Lott, married to Franklin Wetherspoon Bradford, Rhetta(or Alice), married to Joe Christian, Fannie, married to Frank Allee, Lessie, married to Woodrow Allee, and William Harrison Lott(also known as Bud), unmarried.
Viola Lott Cheairs,my grandmother, had two sons, Jessie Lee Cheairs and Josie Vernon Cheairs(my father).
If anyone from the circle knows about these Lotts, would you please email me? Thanks so much, Mik MP (Vernell Mancuso)
Subj: Vernon, Louisiana?
Date: 98-08-24 21:16:25 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Sandra T. Casey)
To: email@example.com (John Barron), email@example.com (Lucy Barron), email@example.com (Dan F. Lott)
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com (Lucy Barron)
Had free time at work today and saw Lucy's page for the first time. I wonder what the attraction was in 1860 for people to live in Vernon, LA, Jackson Parish. I noticed that Charles and Ann Eliza Brown Barron migrated from Alabama to there. And stayed quite a few years. To this same town Dr. (possibly) Arthur Jenkins Lott and Arthur Jenkins Jr., M.E. Lott, and C. William moved from Texas and showed up on the 1860 Jackson Parish, LA census. (These were the Carroll Parish Dragoon Civil War guys that Dan is interested in.) What's in Vernon, or was?
Subj: Re: Vernon, Louisiana?
Date: 08/24/98
To: email@example.com
Sandra, that's an interesting observation that I hadn't thought of before. If Bill Moore's chart is correct and if I figured it right, Arthur Jenkins Lott was the first cousin of our g-g-grandmother Elizabeth Lott McClung, Sarah Eugenia McClung's mother. Eugenia married John W. Barron, my g-grandfather and possibly the son of Charles & Eliza Barron of Jackson Parish. I feel sure that Arthur J. was in Smith Co., TX, for at least a short time in the 1850s when Eugenia was a baby. Who knows maybe Elizabeth visited them after they went to Louisiana. Stranger things have happened.
Don't know what was in Jackson Parish. Just seemed to be one of those rural southern settings. I guess they needed a doctor like everywhere else. Thanks for the clue.
How's the new job going? I just retired for the 5th time last week. Told 'um not to call me again before the first of the year, but I think they will. This year 2K business is getting serious and closer.
Cousin John
Subj: Re: Lott Deed to Columbia
Date: 08/25/98
To: Lucbick
Lucy, I haven't seen such a deed. It might be in Russ Williams' book "Deeds of Marion County" but I don't remember seeing it.
Subj: Re:Misc data
Date: 98-08-25 18:52:52 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Martha J Rader)
To: email@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com
Hi John.
I recently contact Donna Porter who did some Lott research some time in the past. When I did, she sent along some Misc. papers. I had already sent a copy of one of these by snail mail. I am trying in a copy of another such misc paper (It is a copy of a typewritten interview)
"Augt 18, 1936- Mrs. Francis Lott Beacham Interviewed - Columbia Aug 27. 3 Brothers Lotts -- Bob, Solomon, and John came from Ga. at an early date. Sarah Ann Lightfoot signed the treaty when the Choctaws ceded their lands in Miss. To the Fed. Gove in 1830. Who was an ancestor of the Marion County Lotts.
Bob Lott, we think was a bachelor and had money which he carried with in a little satchel. About this time the Copeland Clan was operating in this section. The Copeland killed him on Black Creek cut his body up and put it in the creek. After the Copelands were arrested they admitted it. The body was found when he was killed. Solomon Lott married Martha (Patsy) Warren. He settled about two miles south of Columbia when he married to this union was born simon, Nathan, Tom, and Sarah Ann. The father died when the children were young. The widow with her children moved on the west side of Pearl River about 15 miles south of Columbia on what is known as Sweetwater Creek. Mrs. Lott always attended church she would walk as far as four miles. When the Yankees came through they opened her crib destroyed corn, killed cattle in the lane-- the best of everything taken but none of the slaves would leave her--they built pens in the swamp for horses, hid her silver and protected her. Nath had gone to VA. Sim was in Texas, Tom belonged to the home guards.
Sarah Ann married George Owens. Nathan married Sarah Rankin. One child died. His second wife was Mary Elizabeth Ball. Simon Married in Texas. Tom married Lizzie Magee daughter of Elixha Magee. Mrs. Lott lived to be old.
Nathan Children:
Martha married Rueben Herring
Solomon Warren married Josie Herring.
Kate married Carson Lott
Bess married Ransom Robertson
Laura married Estus Williams
Francis married John Beacham
Mrs. Laura William John Lott your great grand father This was told her by Steven A. Foxworth. Mrs. Lott sent all of her child to Seminary a school founded by Rev. A.R. Graves -- Methodist
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 08/26/98
I have uploaded to my web site my paper entitled "Was Arthur Lott of Smith County, Texas, the Father of Abraham and Absalom Lott." I would appreciate any comments, corrections, and/or additions any of you might have on it. I know there is some sort of problem with the occupations given in the census table. Adaline Lott was not the merchant it was Cowan McClung. I'll have to look into that problem, but it's not too confusing.
If any of you have written or consider writing such limited scope papers as this, I would be happy to put them on the web page. Space is somewhat limited, however, so they can't be too big. Publishing original works in such a manner is a growing thing, I guess, but who knows what's happening to copyrights. Someone could conceivably download the paper and publish it somewhere else under their name. I'm willing to risk it at the time, however, in hopes of furthering Lott research. Any comment on this issue?
As always you can access the web page by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page
Subj: Re: Misc data
Date: 98-08-27 21:58:49 EDT
From: email@example.com (Martha J Rader)
To: email@example.com
Hi John - Do you know anything about a Lott Family newsletter that was put out by someone named Ainsworth? I have a copy of a paper entitled 'Our Lott Ancestors' by Jerry Heirzmann supposedly from Vol 3 No 1 - the paper mainly concerns Solomon (1738-abt 1822) and Ann (Son of John Lott, Jr.) Jerry may have contacted you by now as I called him and while we were talking, I mentioned the Lott circle.
Subj: Re: Misc data
Date: 08/28/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-08-27 21:58:49 EDT, you write:
<< Do you know anything about a Lott Family newsletter that was put out by someone named Ainsworth? I have a copy of a paper entitled 'Our Lott Ancestors' by Jerry Heirzmann supposedly from Vol 3 No 1
Yes, there were 6 volumes and I have all issues. It was done by Carroll Ainsworth McElligott. Don't know what happened to her, but she was smart and did a good job and wouldn't put just anything in her newsletter like so many of them stoop to.
I remember Jerry's article. It was good except for one thing: he came to the conclusion that the Lott family was Scots-Irish which seemed inconceivable to me and in direct conflict with the evidence that he presented. Never did get to quiz him about it and maybe we can now.
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 98-08-28 21:04:55 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Sandra T. Casey)
To: email@example.com
It seems to be a very, very well researched and thought out paper. I'm glad you are willing to risk the information. I have previously last year tried letters to East Coast newspapers with ancestor columns trying to find any Lott family bible possessors and got no good answers. As to whether your info could be used by someone else----I would say that I'm afraid it will soon get to be that all's fair in 3 things, not 2 and perhaps rank the Internet 1st.
I'm glad to find out that I am not the worst researcher as far as Elizabeth Lott's actual parents and siblings go. I was just glad to finally find the census where Cowan McClung was listed in their household. The Abraham-Absalom puzzle seems interesting and pretty much of an enigma.
I hate to bring it up but perhaps the lack of Bible back-ups would indicate the Indian stories might have substance. Not the late 1800's ones, but the much earlier ones. I doubt there were many Indians, if any, who fought in the Revolutionary War. And having just finished Stephen Ambrose's book about Lewis and Clark I realize how little we knew in 1804 about the Indians west of our civilization.
But who knows if a half-breed did? Would he have received a land grant? I realize also that if that particular group of Indians were civilized enough to fight , they would also have bought into Christianity and possibly adopted the habit of writing their births and deaths in a Bible, but maybe they could not read and didn't write yet at all. Purely conjecture----your paper was really good.
Subj: LOTT
Date: 98-09-01 22:24:35 EDT
From: email@example.com (cara murray)
To: email@example.com
My name is Cara Murray. Arlina Moss gave me your e-mail address; she said you had a web page for the LOTT family and that I would be interested in it.
This is my connection to the LOTT family:
(1) John LOTT b. abt 1700 d. 1778
(2) John LOTT b. 1715 Edgecombe County North Carolina
m. Elizabeth JOYNER
d. Bef 1810 Georgia or Mississippi
(3) John LOTT b. Abt 1742 Duplin County North Carolina
m. Sallie LIGHTFOOT
d. 1 Aug 1805 Tattnall County Georgia
(4) Mary LOTT b. 1765 St. George Parish Georgia
m. William HATTON 1798 Montgomery Co. GA
d. Montgomery County Georgia
Cara Murray
Subj: Cerokee Indian claim
Date: 98-09-04 10:10:12 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Arlina Moss)
Reply-to: email@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
John, I don't even know if this is worth anything, but thought I would send it along. From : CHEROKEE BY BLOOD, Records of Eastern Cherokee Ancestry in the U.S. Court of Claims 1906-1910, Vol. 5, Applications 10171 to 13260, Compiled by Jerry Wright Jordan. Heritage Books, Inc., Page 204.
11532 NELLIE REESE Muskogee, Okla Rejected. Applicant's father a CREEK. Applicant's mother Old Settler: See Mis. Test, P. 3096.
MISC. TEST P.3096. No 16727-11532..Elizabeth WATTS: " I am about 49 years of age; was born in Canadian District. My mother was living at the time of the payment in 1851. Nancy Reese is my niece and Felix Reese is my nephew. They are the children of Nellie Reese. My mother and all her people were Old Settlers. My father was half Creek and half white. He was not a Cherokee. My mother's first husband's name was LOT. I drew Old Settler money. I have never gotten any Creek money. I am a Cherokee alottee. My sister Nellie Reese's number is 16832. THOMAS LOTT was part Creek and part white. My mother drew Old Settler money. She first drew when she was fourteen years old. Nellie Reese's father was not Cherokee. I do not know if he ever got any Creek money. " Sighed: ELIZABETH WATTS, Muskogee, Okla. Sep 22, 1908. EXCEPTION CASE: 11532. Elizabeth Watts had three children. App #16727, Muskogee, Okla. Rejected. Total number of exceptions filed in this group--1. ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION RENEWED.
Arlina < email@example.com >
Subj: Re: Lott
Date: 09/04/98
To: Famnation
In a message dated 98-09-03 06:32:26 EDT, you write:
<< who had a waycross ga lott...'cause there is a chance we;ve a connection, >>
Melicent, ALL the southern Lotts that I've studied are connected, but some of the connections go back further than records can verify. They are English and all from the Virginia tidewater country originally and not from New Jersey or New York where a large group of unrelated ones came with the very early Dutch settlers of that area.
Now just don't ask me to back up these claims by evidence. If you will read my paper "A Review of the Colonial Southern Lott Family" on my web page, however, you will see some evidence along with some more analysis. Let me know what you think.
Subj: Re: Lott Family
Date: 98-09-04 21:45:56 EDT
From: TLott35034
To: JBarron933
Thanks for forwarding the e-mail you receive and answer. I'm still in the process of getting info. from close relatives to send to you to see if and how it fits in.
Do you have any information about John S. Lott having a second wife name Mollie E. Gilliam? She was the mother of my grandfather B.K. Lott and his sisters Alta Elizabeth and Clara. They were half brother and sisters to Dora and Beulah. This information came from Edith Parkman in Livingston who is a daughter to Alta E. She has a lot of stuff she has gathered on the Lott's and as soon as I can get it I'll mail you a copy to look over.
B.K. Lott also had a half brother named Sam Lott. I don't a whole lot about him. I just remember my dad taking me by to visit he and his wife Gladys when I was a youngster.
Thanks, Tony
Subj: Re: Hatten/Lott/Barron
Date: 98-09-04 23:13:10 EDT
From: email@example.com (Martha J Rader)
To: email@example.com
Hi John - in regards to Lou Anderson's possible Lott book being just a rehash of what is on the internet - I don't think so. Of course, I'm sure much of the information will be the same as what you have. But, first, she doesn't get most of her information off the net. She has been collecting locally from individuals and private research for years. When she did her Broom/e/ book, when anyone submitted information, she would have it typed in and then send you a copy to edit for corrections and additions. When you had corrected it and sent it back, she would again send a copy of the corrected material back to you for further editing. Then through the years as she was working on putting it together, if you sent in new information, she would go through the same process each time of typing it in and sending it back to you for correction.
From what Walter Lott said, she may not be able to publish it anyway because of the increase in publishing costs. I for one will be sorry if she can't.
She has worked with Leonard Slade on a couple of books, too. A couple of her books are on the cemeteries in the local area and have really been good reference works. - Anyway, when I write, I'll tell her you would like her to contact you.
Subj: Re: Cerokee Indian claim
Date: 98-09-05 09:47:01 EDT
From: email@example.com (Arlina Moss)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
email@example.com wrote:
> Thanks Arlina, it's pretty confusing but interesting. I routed it around the
> group and maybe someone will have some idea who they are. Do you know what
> she meant by "getting Old Settler's money?"
> John
John, There is a site entitled ELDERS SOCIETY OF THE CHEROKEE NATION at http://www.orphanage.com/TalkBBS/index.cgi?read=1184. I have not tried to find it by that address having found it by topic. It is a most informative site with manymaps, forum and articles. I asked about " Old Settlers " and received a short reply and a longer reply from Jerri Chasteen of the Cherokee Archival project.
Here is the shorter explanation from a Bob Anderson: " The Old Settlers were the ones who left the Eastern homeland about 20 years or so before the Trail of Tears. They settled in Arkansas with their leader, Tahlonteeskee. With them were the Keetoowas and the Chickamauga. All were traditional people who had not accepted the ways of the invaders. All were removed to Oklahoma in 1828 and were living in the territory when the Treaty people came in 1836, They were called the Old Settlers to distinguish them from the newcomers. The years those " lost Cherokee" spent in Arkansas must have been the last years when Cherokees were truly Cherokees. Things changed once the people were removed to Oklahoma ."
The " Canadian " reference was not for Canada..It was an Indian Judicial District and well ( or the same ? ) as a pre- county section of Oklahoma before it became a state.
Subj: Re: Lott family
Date: 09/07/98
To: Loveyoself
Well, I routed your message to my Lott Circle mailing list, but more than likely no one will be able to help you until you can get a little further back on your line. If you are new to genealogy than you need to start with yourself and your immediate family and begin collecting birth and death certificates. Death certificates often contain the names of the parents of the dead. Sometimes they are wrong, but are clues to follow-up on. This phase will normally get you back to the early 1900s and from there you can begin using census records. When you get back to the mid-1800s the Lott Circle will probably be able to help you.
John Barron
Subj: Frances Lucretia (Patsy Lott)
Date: 98-09-08 21:40:43 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Richard Wheat)
To: email@example.com
I've read with interest the Lott Circle, and also the individual genealogies. I am descended from Frances Lucretia (Patsy) Lott, who according to family records and cemetery transcriptions, was born in AL ca 1802, d Jackson Parish LA in 1840. She married my ggg-gft William Hatten in 1823. Frances Lucretia died in childbirth shortly after their move from MS to LA, which took place between 1838 and 1840, as William Hatten paid taxes in MS until 1838. She was buried on a creek bank near where I now live. She and William had eight children. After her death, William remarried and had ten more children. William Hatten died 7 Mar 1860, and was buried our Hatten Family Cemetery, near Sikes, (Winn Parish) La. A marker was placed in the Hatten cemetery for Lucretia Frances that reads ""Patsy Lott - First wife of Wm. Hatten - a Choctaw Indian Princess.
I grew up hearing and believing I was part Choctaw based on Frances Lucretia "Patsy" Lott, and in fact, received unsolicited information from the Bureau of Indian Affairs in the early 70's. Some cousins had applied for, and apparently received, scholarships based on this Indian blood. Do you have any proof of this Indian ancestry?
I'm still unsure as to where Frances Lucretia falls in the Lott family tree, as the dates I have don't match those shown in the material I've seen for her or for William Hatten. I also have been told that two William Hatten's (Hatton's) married into the Lott family.
Can you shed any light on my Lott ancestry????? Any help will be appreciated.
Dorothy Banister Wheat
Subj: Lott in MS
Date: 98-09-08 22:40:31 EDT
From: PAspirit
To: JBarron933
I noticed you had the surname Lott in your profile. My ggrandmother was Amelia Lott and was married in MS, do you have any connection to this name? She married James Morgan in 1846.
Linda Morgan
Subj: Re: Frances Lucretia (Patsy Lott)
Date: 09/09/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Dorothy, thank you so much for your well thought out message and the information on Frances Lucretia Lott. I will pass it around the Lott Circle for comments and I would certainly like to add your name to this mailing list. I think you will find some more about Frances Lucretia in the Descendants of John Lott on my web page. You will also see that it was her mother Martha who was supposed to be the Indian princess and was the one called Patsy which is the old fashioned nickname for Martha.
If you have read any of my writings on the Lott Circle, then you know that I think the "Indian Connection" of the Lott and Watts families is romantic nonsense. It is hard to address this issue, however, without sounding like a racist, but I will try once again. The simple fact is that in the 19th (and certainly the 18th) centuries, Indians were considered by southerners to be "colored people." We, in these days of political correctness, are just not attuned to this thinking, but when I was growing up in East Texas in the '40s, it was alive and well. It is very easy to see what the feelings about Indians were if you read newspapers (not to mention the law) written prior to the Civil War. It is inconceivable that in that day and time a white man of any standing in a community could openly "take up" with an Indian woman and retain his place in society, and marriage would have been beyond their wildest dreams. In most cases in the 18th century is was illegal for a Christian to marry a "colored person."
Now, given the above lecture, what are we to make of these persistent legends of Indian blood. I really don't have a good answer, but many Lott and Watts family members are convinced that it exists. As you said many have applied for government assistance and land on these claims. Most were rejected due to no evidence, but some were not. I have seen scores of affidavits from the 1890s and early 1900s pertaining to these claims. Almost without exception, these sworn statements involve events occurring before the person was born and are therefore legally hearsay. My best explanation is that the whole thing stems from a family scandal in the early days involving a Lott man and an Indian woman that was so devastating that it was handed down through the generations.
I would love to have more of your ideas and lore on this subject. It is of great interest to me even though I might sound like a wet blanket. The tombstone inscription for Frances Lucretia might be of extreme value in getting an idea of the earliest date for the Indian legends. My guess is that is was placed much later than her death due to the mixup in her name with that of her mother. You're not the first one to contact me about the name part, but are the first to alert me as to where the source came from. Hope you aren't shocked by my response, it was intended to help understand this interesting piece of history that has so enthralled our family.
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Re: Frances Lucretia (Patsy Lott)
Date: 98-09-09 23:32:43 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Richard Wheat)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Thanks so much for you quick and informative response. No, I'm not shocked at your belief in the lack of Indian ancestry in the Lott family. Even though it will entail an adjustment in my mode of thinking, I'm much more interested in being able to hand down an accurate ancestor record to my children and grandchildren than to continue to perpetuate an unfounded family legend, if in fact, that's what it is. (However, I certainly am NOT brave enough to tell my 94 year old mother she is not of Indian descent, especially since we have pictures of HER grandparents who look very much Indian!!).
I also received a message from another Lott researcher who raises the possibility that my Frances Lucretia Lott might be the Frances Lott listed as child of Mark Lott and Deliah Jones. The date of birth more closely matches what my records show for Frances Lucretia who married William Hatten in 1823. The other William Hatten, uncle to mine, married Mary Lott, dau of John Lott and Sallie Lightfoot, a descendant of Phillip Lightfoot.
I'll keep searching.
Dorothy Banister Wheat
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 09/11/98
Does anyone have any specific knowledge concerning the couple Arthur Lott - Harriott Whidden who married in 1831 in Marion Co., MS? I believe that they came to Texas soon after marrying and stopped in Washington Co. before moving on the Limestone Co. Arthur must have died about 1847 as Harriott remarried a man named Pliney Black. This Arthur was the brother of John and Robert who had the hotel at Washington-on-the-Brazos during the Texas Revolution.
John Barron
Subj: Re: Lotts from FL to TX
Date: 98-09-12 21:30:46 EDT
From: email@example.com (cara murray)
To: email@example.com
I'm wondering if there is a connection between the LOTT men mentioned below with the LOTTs I have in my records. Here is what I have:
John LOTT b. 1695 Isle of Wight VA
m. 1714 Elizabeth JOYNER
d. 1778 West Florida
John LOTT b. 1715 Edgecombe Co NC
m. 1735 Edgecombe Co. NC Bethany(?)
d. 1810 Mississippi
Arthur LOTT b. 1780 St. George's Parish GA
d. 1850 Melba MS
Robert LOTT b. 1775 St. George's Parish GA
m. Sarah Tyner
d. 1843 Marion Co. MS
Luke LOTT b. 1775 St. George's Parish GA
m. Cynthia HERRIN
d. 1857 Marion Co. MS.
Please let me know.
Thanks, Cara Murray
Subj: LOTT
Date: 98-09-12 21:43:24 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (stephen e murray)
To: email@example.com
John, I just sent you a message concerning the LOTT families that migrated to MS and on to TX. I think I just answered my question. I just read your query in Marion Co MS GenWeb about Arthur LOTT married to Sarah Ann CLAPP and I found that I have a connection to him. I would love to learn more about the LOTTS migration west.
By the way, I used to live in Austin TX from 1992 to 1995. I loved it.
Thanks, Cara Murray
Subj: Lotts from FL to TX
Date: 09/12/98
To: email@example.com
Dan, I have become obsessed (like I weren't already) with the early Texas Lotts. I feel more convinced that ever that they were the younger of the set of sibs named in the very early Washington Co. records with a John, Arthur, Robert, Jesse, and Luke. All these names show up together in the late 1820s in Florida and all but Luke get to Texas in the 1830s. An article I have on Luke said he came too, but went back soon. Jesse must have done the same as did an Absalom. You'd think these folks would have got confused themselves by all these boys named the same thing.
Anyway, did you ever find the info that you had on the bunch that was moving to Texas? You mentioned a tornado hitting a wagon train or something and causing a delay. I think they may have stuck around in Marion Co., MS, a year or so and that the Arthur shown above married while there in 1831 before moving on the Texas. I think this move caused them to be missed in the 1830 census and, of course, there was no census in Texas in 1840. John and Arthur were dead by 1850, but Robert was listed in Texas and Luke in Florida. I never have find John's widow Celia in 1850 but have recently found who I think was Arthur's widow Harriet who had remarried. I slowly piecing the group together.
The Texas John had a son also named John (called Jack Sharp Lott, I think). He was said to have gone to Tennessee about 1850 and was a big wheel on the horse racing circuit for decades. Have you ever heard of him? I think John also had a son Hiram Lott born about 1825 who seemed to disappear about 1850. John's son Jesse ended up in Atascosa Co., Tx, in the cattle ranching business. Any help with this elusive bunch would be greatly appreciated.
Till later, John
Subj: LOTT
Date: 98-09-13 21:25:24 EDT
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (cara murray)
To: email@example.com
I had one more question. Actually two. First, are the generation 5
LOTT men the sons of the John LOTT b. c1764? This is from that message
you sent listing the LOTT men from GEN 1 to GEN 5. Second, I know you
sent me your web page address but I seem to have misplaced it. Can you
send it again? Thanks.
Subj: Re: LOTT
Date: 09/13/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Hi Cara, yes we've lived in Austin for 30 years and love it too.
In your first message you have several generations of LOTTs mixed up. Check my web page under the "Descendants of John Lott" and you can see the line from the oldest John to the group that I was working on who came to Texas in the 1830s. It's as follows with all the 5th generation men found in Texas in the 1830s.
1. John Lott (b. before 1700)
.2. John Lott (b. c1720)
..3. John Lott (b. c1742)
...4. John Lott (b c1764)
....5. John Lott
....5. Arthur Lott
....5. Jesse Lott6
....5. Robert A. Lott
....5. Luke Lott
....5. Absalom Lott
Subj: Re: LOTT
Date: 09/13/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 98-09-13 21:25:24 EDT, you write:
<< First, are the generation 5 LOTT men the sons of the John LOTT b. c1764? This is from that message you sent listing the LOTT men from GEN 1 to GEN 5. >>
Yes they are. All were named as children (except Absalom who must not have been born yet) in a deed of gift in 1807 from John Lott in Washington Co., MS Terr. Keep in mind, however, that is my interpretation of just which John Lott it was. Many think it was the John born in 1742, but he made a will in the same county the next year and named a somewhat similar set of adult children. This is part of the problem we have with this family where each family used the about same set of names for the kids. It takes some thinking about it and sometimes that's not enough. Just not sufficient evidence sometimes.
Subj: Lott who married Easter Ann Adams
Date: 9/20/98 7:26:13 PM Central Daylight Time
From: email@example.com (Joseph Lott)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com (firstname.lastname@example.com)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com ('email@example.com')
Can anyone identify the Lott who married Easter Ann Adams? See below for what information that I have on the family.
Who were his parents?
Regards, JL
1 William Riley Adams b: Sep 23, 1850 d: Mar 1917
. +Anna Lott b: Oct 1858 in Coffee Co, GA d: May 03, 1920 m: Aug 10, 1880
.. 2 Easter Ann Adams b: Nov 06, 1878 in Coffee Co, GA d: Mar 10, 1960 in Coffee Co, GA
...... +? Lott
....... 3 George Lott b: Abt. 1904 in Coffee Co, GA
....... 3 Daniel B. Lott b: Abt. 1909 in Coffee Co, GA
Subj: Re: Lott Family
Date: 9/23/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Karen, according to your data, a John Lott (b c1745) married an Elizabeth Joyner. I believe that this is incorrect, unless there are two separate couples by this name. If you could check my paper entitled "A Review of the Southern Colonial Lott Family" on my web page, you can see my thinking and sources of information on this line. Elizabeth Joyner's brothers Solomon and Absalom Joyner were contemporaries of a much older John Lott who had to have been born before 1700 and who was with them in Bertie Co., NC, about 1733 and later in Edgecombe Co. This is the John whom I think married Elizabeth Joyner and who is referred to in her father's will of 1748. She must have been born about 1700. My line stems from their son John (b 1715-20) and his son Arthur (b c1750).
I would appreciate very much having your sources of information for the descent that you have shown. I've seen many references to an Aaron Lott of Isle of Wight, but no has ever shown me any real evidence concerning him on which one could base an hypothesis. I don't mean this as a criticism, just trying to "get the facts" so that we can perhaps connect our lines. I think the oldest John from above was also from Isle of Wight or there about and if so, was surely related to your Aaron. If we could find that connection, I can assure you that about 40 members of my Lott Circle on-line group would give us a standing ovation. Let me hear from you.
Subj: Re: Lott tree
Date: 9/25/98 12:50:54 PM Central Daylight Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Martha J Rader)
To: email@example.com
CC: email@example.com
Hi I got some info from a Owen Girley - am inclosing it incorporated in what I already had - don't know if any is new to you - let me know. I haven't been able to down load all of John Barron's file so you may have most of this - Oh well, Also, don't know if you knew that Mark Price who bought Benjamin and Catherine Lott Rawles (Catherine is daughter of Absalom N. and Sarah WATTS LOTT) house in Rawles Springs is trying to get it on the national registry - I guess it is coming along pretty well. Also - how much new info did you get on the Aultmans - would it be too much trouble to get a copy??
Descendants of Nathan LOTT
1 Nathan LOTT b: 1780 in Screven Co., GA d: 28 May 1845 in Covington Co., MS
. +Dicey WATTS b: 1781 in GA/SC m: Abt 1800 in Telfair Co., GA d: Aft 1860 in Covington Co., MS Burial: Reuben Watts Cem., Lamar Co., MS
2 Catherine 'Katy' LOTT b: 1801 in Telfair Co., GA d: 12 Sep 1884 in Marion Co., MS Burial: Nathan Lott Cem., Lamar Co., MS
.... +Joshua LOTT m: 05 Feb 1824
.. 3 Nathan LOTT b: 26 Nov 1825 d: 13 Jun 1898 Burial: Nathan Lott Cem., Lamar Co., MS
...... +Sarah J. SIMMONS
.. *2nd Wife of Nathan LOTT:
...... +Eliza POWELL b: 12 Feb 1828 m: Abt 1845 d: 04 Jul 1893
.. 3 Rhoda LOTT b: 18 Mar 1828 d: 17 Oct 1870
*2nd Husband of Catherine 'Katy' LOTT:
.... +Solomon HERRIN m: 1832
.. 3 William HERRIN b: Abt 1833
.. 3 Shepherd HERRIN b: 02 Mar 1835 d: 29 Oct 1917
...... +Mary Ann PATTERSON m: 21 Oct 1869
.. 3 Elizabeth HERRIN b: 21 Nov 1837 d: 06 May 1885
...... +Thomas LANG m: 04 Jan 1859
.. 3 Absalom HERRIN b: Abt 1844
.. 3 Margaret HERRIN b: Abt 1845 d: 22 Dec 1896
2 'Billy' LOTT b: 07 Dec 1804 in Telfair Co., GA d: 01 Apr 1863 in Covington Co., MS Burial: New Hope Cemetery, Covington Co.,
.... +Mary BRYANT b: 20 Feb 1819 in SC m: 20 Nov 1833 d: 07 Aug 1891 in Covington Co., MS Burial: New Hope Church Cem., Covington Co., MS
.. 3 Elizabeth 'Eliza' LOTT b: 01 Sep 1835 in Covington Co., MS d: 05 Sep 1920 Burial: Sep 1920 Fillingane Family Cem., Lamar Co., MS
...... +William Wiggins HATTEN b: 11 Mar 1824 in Covington Co., MS m: 15 Sep 1850 d: 28 Jun 1886 Burial: Jun 1886 abandoned cem, Conner prop. Covington MS
.. 3 Sarah LOTT b: 22 Feb 1837 in Covington Co., MS Burial: Seminary River Cem., Covington Co., MS
...... +George F. LOTT
.. *2nd Husband of Sarah LOTT:
...... +Ed TAYLOR
.. 3 John Lewis LOTT b: 01 Nov 1838 in Covington Co., MS d: 18 Apr 1865 Burial: New Hope Church Cem., Covington Co., MS Military: Civil War (CSA)
...... +Mary WILLIAMSON
.. 3 Nathan Willis LOTT b: 26 May 1840 in Covington Co., MS d: 05 Mar 1890 Burial: New Hope Church Cem., Covington Co., MS Military: Civil War (CSA) - enlisted 26 Au 1861
...... +Louisa A. ROBERTSON b: 1845 m: Abt 1877
.. 3 Jesse Bryant LOTT b: 21 Apr 1842 in Covington Co., MS d: 01 Dec 1865 Military: Civil War (CSA)
.. 3 William Alexander LOTT b: 15 May 1844 in Covington Co., MS d: 03 Oct 1886 Burial: New Hope Church Cem., Covington Co., MS Military: Civil War - (CSA)
...... +Martha I. EDMONSON
.. 3 James Watts LOTT b: 16 Jun 1846 in Covington Co., MS d: 10 Oct 1920
...... +Sarah WATTS b: 18 Mar 1849 m: 1868 d: 24 Aug 1928
.. 3 George Levi or Lewis LOTT b: 12 Sep 1848 in Covington Co., MS d: 02 Jan 1921 Burial: Seminary Cem., Seminary, , MS Military: Civil War - (CSA)
...... +Mary Adeline LOWERY m: 1870 Burial: Lowery Cem., Covington Co., MS
.. 3 Allen Gaines LOTT b: 25 Jan 1851 in Covington Co., MS d: 26 Feb 1926
...... +Mary AULTMAN b: 1853 in Covington Co., MS d: 1938 Burial: Aultman Cemetery, Covington Co., MS
.. 3 'Sim' LOTT b: 15 Dec 1853 in Covington Co., MS d: 12 Aug 1937 Burial: New Hope Church Cem., Covington Co., MS
...... +Mary Jane EDMONSON m: 05 Jan 1876
.. *2nd Wife of Simeon Wiley LOTT:
...... +Susannah WATTS m: Jul 1899
.. 3 Thomas Jefferson LOTT b: 19 Aug 1856 in Covington Co., MS
...... +Martha HOLCOMB
.. *2nd Wife of Thomas Jefferson LOTT:
...... +Martha ROBERTSON
.. 3 'Sis' LOTT b: 18 Jan 1859 in Covington Co., MS d: 01 Jun 1912...... +William Owen WATTS Burial: New Hope Church Cem., Covington Co., MS
2 Absolum Nathan LOTT b: 28 Feb 1806 in GA d: 27 Dec 1887 in Harris Co., MS
.... +Elizabeth WILLIAMSON b: 19 Jun 1809 m: Bef 1830 d: 16 Jan1887
.. 3 Nancy LOTT b: 16 Aug 1829 d: 21 Dec 1887
.. 3 Nathan LOTT b: 28 Sep 1832 d: 09 Jan 1889
.. 3 Jesse W. LOTT b: 08 May 1835 d: 08 Feb 1905
...... +Dicey HATTEN b: 10 Oct 1843 in Harrison Co., MS m: Abt 1857 d: Aug 1927
.. 3 John Calvin LOTT b: 11 Nov 1837 d: 10 Aug 1909
...... +Nellie BOND
.. 3 Fannie LOTT b: 19 Feb 1840 d: 11 Jan 1907
...... +William J. JOHNSON, Dr.
.. 3 Matilda Melissa LOTT b: 12 Oct 1842 d: 20 Oct 1922
...... +James BRELAND
.. 3 Eliza LOTT b: 21 Aug 1845 d: 02 Mar 1899
...... +Elisha BRELAND
.. 3 'Frank' LOTT b: 26 Jan 1848 d: 22 Jul 1910
...... +Mary HICKMAN
.. 3 Elija LOTT b: 1850 d: 24 Dec 1904
...... +Annie BRELAND
.. 3 Lucretia LOTT b: 1856
...... +Joe BRELAND
.. 3 Charles LOTT b: 1859
2 John Arthur LOTT b: 09 Feb 1808 in GA d: 09 Sep 1844 in New Hope, Covington Co., MS Burial: Aultman Cem., Seminary/Sumrall, Covington Co., MS
.... +Sarah AULTMAN b: 25 Dec 1813 in Telfair, , GA m: 09 May 1828 in MS d: 27 Dec 1877 in Covington Co., MS Burial: Dec 1877 Aultman Cemetery, Covington Co., MS
.. 3 Celia LOTT b: 01 Apr 1830 in Richmond, Covington Co., MS d: 24 Sep 1902 in Marion Co., MS
...... +William Talran MORRIS b: 13 May 1827 in MS m: 02 Jan 1849 d: 22 Aug 1875 in Marion Co., MS
.. 3 Dicey LOTT b: 07 Sep 1832 in Richmond, Covington Co., MS
...... +Nathan Meggs LOTT m: 16 Jun 1851 in Covington Co., MS
.. 3 Amiorama LOTT b: 27 Mar 1834 in Richmond, Covington Co., MS
...... +John RAYBORN b: 1827 m: 06 Jan 1850
.. 3 Armidilla LOTT b: 20 Mar 1836 in Covington Co., MS d: 08 Jan 1925 in Lamar Co., MS Burial: Jan 1925 Russell Cemetery, Lamar Co., MS
...... +John Guslin PACE b: 18 Aug 1837 in MS m: Abt 1855 d: 11 Feb 1921 Burial: Feb 1921 Russelly Cemetery, Lamar Co., MS Military: Civil War
.. 3 William Arthur LOTT b: 26 Jan 1838 in Richmond, Covington Co., MS d: 1909 in Jefferson Davis Co., MS
...... +Margaret MORRIS
.. *2nd Wife of William Arthur LOTT:
...... +Elmira GRAHAM m: Abt 1850
.. *3rd Wife of William Arthur LOTT:
...... +'Betsy' MORRIS b: 14 Jan 1845 m: 27 May 1860 d: 23 Sep 1915
.. 3 Andrew J. LOTT b: 30 Jan 1840 in Richmond, Covington Co., MS d: 07 Jul 1862 in Snake Point, MS Military: Civil War
.. 3 Thomas Andrew LOTT b: 08 Feb 1842 in Richmond, Covington Co., MS d: 02 Mar 1891 in MS Burial: Mar 1891 Gates Cemetery, Covington Co., MS
...... +Mary Ellender GRAHAM b: 1845 in Covington Co., MS m: 1867 in MS d: 21 Oct 1918 Burial: Oct 1918 Gates Cemetery, Covington Co., MS
.. *2nd Wife of Thomas Andrew LOTT:
...... +Eveline Frances MOSES m: 10 Feb 1860 in Marion Co., MS
.. 3 Cullen LOTT b: 16 Jan 1844 in Richmond, Covington Co., MS d: 28 Nov 1924 in Seminary, Covington Co., MS Burial: Nov 1924 Seminar Cem., Military: Civil War
...... +Elizabeth WILLIAMSON b: 19 Feb 1845 m: 1866 d: 10 Sep 1909
2 'Sally' LOTT b: 1811 in GA
.... +William Hinton POWELL
.. 3 'Polly' POWELL b: 1840
...... +Stephen PITTMNA
.. 3 Lott E. POWELL b: 1842
.. 3 Albert POWELL b: 1843-1844
.. 3 Clark POWELL b: 15 Apr 1845 d: 25 Jul 1888
.. 3 Ann POWELL b: 1848
.. 3 Robert POWELL b: 1849-1850
.. 3 Charlie Scott POWELL b: 1852 d: 1905
...... +Mary Jane LEGETT
.. 3 Gilbert POWELL b: Abt 1853
2 'Judy' LOTT b: 20 May 1812 in Marion Co., MS d: 14 Apr 1879 Burial: Morris Stringer, Marion Co., MS
.... +Willis WATTS b: Abt 1804 m: Feb 1832 d: 1849
.. 3 Louisa WATTS b: 07 Jun 1841
...... +Merida D. A. B. BROOM b: 22 Apr 1836 in Covington Co., MS m: 06 Jan 1859 in Marion Co., MS d: 04 Aug 1916 in Marion Co., MS
.. 3 Ellis WATTS b: Mar 1833 in Marion Co., MS d: 03 Mar 1909 in Marion Co., MS
...... +Mary A. LANG b: 01 Mar 1833 d: 23 Oct 1903
2 'Art' LOTT b: 1814 in Marion Co., MS d: 1855 Burial: Harris Co., TX
.... +Nancy EVANS m: 11 Mar 1856 in Rankin Co., Ms
*2nd Wife of William Arthur LOTT:
.... +Julia MOORE m: 09 May 1866 in Rankin Co., Ms
2 Thomas Wyat LOTT b: 1815 in Marion Co., MS d: Abt 1846 in Vera Cruz, Mexico
2 'Polly' LOTT b: 12 Jul 1819 in Marion Co., MS d: 24 Sep 1903 in MS Burial: Morris Stringer Cemetery, Marion Co., MS
.... +Winston MORRIS b: Abt 19 Sep 1820 m: 29 Dec 1846 in Marion Co., MS
.. 3 Nathan Lott MORRIS b: 13 Feb 1850 d: 23 Dec 1938
.. 3 Edmon MORRIS b: 03 Oct 1851 d: 1856 in in the summer
.. 3 Dicey MORRIS b: 17 Jun 1953 d: 05 Sep 1896
.. 3 Seaborn MORRIS b: 03 Apr 1855 d: 02 Jan 1922
.. 3 Elizabeth MORRIS b: 25 Feb 1857 d: 01 Mar 1946
.. 3 Arthur L. MORRIS b: 13 Oct 1859 d: 12 May 1952
.. 3 William Thomas MORRIS b: 01 Jun 1836 d: 22 Jan 1922
2 Reuben Watts LOTT b: 1822 in Marion Co., MS Burial: Sumrall, Lamar Co., MS Military: Civil War - 7th MS Vol
.... +Rutha RAYBORN b: 1823 m: Abt 1844
.. 3 Nathen J. LOTT b: 1845
.. 3 'Sis' LOTT b: 25 Apr 1846 d: 25 Jul 1941
...... +John MARTIN b: Abt 1850 in MS m: 01 Aug 1868 in Marion Co., MS
.. 3 Julia LOTT b: 14 Aug 1850 d: 1929
...... +Thadeus Cobb BROOM b: 1850 d: 1934
.. 3 James Arthur LOTT b: 09 Feb 1852 d: 18 Jan 1922
.. 3 Thomas W. LOTT b: 03 Nov 1853 d: 10 Dec 1904
.. 3 Wiley P. Harris LOTT b: 18 Feb 1855 d: 13 Apr 1930 Burial: Military Baptist Cemetery, Lamar Co., MS
...... +Bertha GRAHAM
.. *2nd Wife of Wiley P. Harris LOTT:
...... +Caroline HERRIN
.. 3 Felix J. 'Tell' LOTT b: 18 Feb 1855
.. *2nd Wife of Felix J. 'Tell' LOTT:
...... +Lizzie BRYANT
.. 3 Asa C. LOTT b: 1859 d:1920 Burial: Dan Sumrall Cemetery, Lamar Co., MS
...... +Zaney MARTIN b: Abt 1852 d:1922 Burial: Dan Sumrall Cemetery, Lamar Co., MS
.. 3 Isaac/Israel LOTT b:1860
.. 3 Catherine LOTT b: 1862
.. 3 Walter W. LOTT
b: 1866
d:1937 Burial: Aultman Cem., Seminary/Sumrall, Covington Co., MS
...... +Arabelle 'Belle' GRAHAM b: 26 Oct 1866 in MS
d: 02 Aug 1929
Burial: Aug 1929 Broom Cem.,Covington Co., MS
Subj: Andrea Collection
Date: 9/28/98 9:08:36 AM Central Daylight Time
From: email@example.com (W. B. Moore)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: firstname.lastname@example.com (John C Barron)
The subject extensive collection of the work of an active professional genealogist contains correspondence with Mrs. Mamie Carter Crumpler who claimed to descend from Azaline Elizabeth Lott b 11/15/1845 in Mobile, daughter of Elisha Bradford Lott b 10/16/1819 at Lott's Ferry, Mobile, AL, son of Jessie Lott b 2/1782 in Augusta?, GA. Andrea never identified these Lotts although he found many other Lotts, all of whom we have. Do you know of Jessie, Elisha Bradford, or Azaline?
Bill Moore
Subj: Re: Andrea Collection
Date: 9/28/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Bill, I think these were from the S.C. Jesse Lott group from Edgefield Co., but not sure. I have seen the Andrea Collection materials on Lott before. They were published in the Lott Family Newsletter. They're both good and bad. He was the first to find the old Washington Co., Miss Terr. deeds and probates from 1807-8, but misread Jesse as Tessa and which will live forever in the records. He didn't know who any of them were, however.
Thanks, John
Subj: FL Lotts
Date: 10/5/98 8:01:22 AM Central Daylight Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Dan Lott)
To: email@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com
John, I've found most of what I have on the Fl. Lotts and it is included. I haven't tried to find anything else on them in quite some time.
I do have one other piece of information that I have not yet found and it concerns Robert Lott during transit between FL and TX. It's a note published in the Woodville Republican paper that states that Robert Lott, single, is in the county and traveling to TX in the company of two other men. I believe this is Robert A. Lott (there's no other single Robert Lott at this time). It places him nicely in the timeline. I'll try to find it tonight.
Subj: Florida Lotts
Date: 10/5/98
To: email@example.com
Joe, did you get Dan's message? I tried to unhex it with several DOS utilities including the BinHex 4, but nothing worked. Am going to forward it to my wife at Univ. of Texas and see if she can unApple it.
Do you have any data on this group that went to Florida and then to Texas. There's a book called "Blood on the Bluebonnets" about them in Texas. I'm tracking down some of the children of the Arthur Lott. One was named Stephen F. [Austin] Lott and born about 1835 in Texas. These Lotts lived in Stephen F. Austin's colony. Would really like to find out about Jack Sharp Lott (son of the John) who supposedly went to Tenn and KY about 1850 and was "a bright light" in the horse racing industry for many years.
Subj: Sharp/Lott families
Date: 10/5/98
To: email@example.com
Richard, saw your query on the Tattnall Co. web page. I've only today discovered a connection between my Lott family and the Sharps. John Sharp owned property next to John Lott as shown in a deed executed about 1804/5. A man named Jack Sharp Lott (grandson of the above John Lott?) was in Limestone Co., TX, about 1850. Do you know of a connection between these families?
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Whiddon Family
Date: 10/5/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
I saw your query on the Tattnall Co., GA web page concerning this family. Can't help with early ones but some of this family was in Marion Co., MS, by 1831 when Harriet Whiddon married Arthur Lott. I believe that they immediately moved to Washington Co., now Texas. She later married a man named Pliney Black and is on the 1850 census of Limestone Co., TX.
John C. Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Re: FL Lotts
Date: 10/5/98
To: email@example.com
Dan, thanks a bunch. I had some of it, but a lot was new. One highly interesting tidbit was that John Lott was a judge. I am including a time line in my paper on this group too that will include MS>FL>TX (and perhaps other) events.
Subj: lots of Lotts
Date: 10/5/98 2:23:47 PM Central Daylight Time
From: email@example.com (Sarah Barron)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
I am attaching an ascii version for you. I have a printout as well, but when I saw it was several pages, I thought you probably would like something "electronic" as well!
P.S. Some of the formatting was lost on the conversion, but I think it is still quite readable.
1825 John Lott was a judge in the 5th district (between Chipola and
Chattahoochee Rivers), 5th Precinct (at Jerimah Corley�s) for the lst
council election of 1825, Jackson Co, FL
1826 Tax digest, Jackson Co, Terr. of Florida
Robert A. Lott
John Lott
1827 Tax digest, Jackson Co, Terr. of Florida
Arthur Lott
Jesse Lott
Robert A. Lott
1830 Census
Gadsden Co.
3 males < 5
1 male 5 to 10
1 male 10 to 15
1 male 15 to 20
1 male 40 to 50
1 female 5 to 10
1 female 10 to 15
1 female 20 to 30
Jackson Co.
2 males 5 to 15
2 males 20 to 30
1 female 10 to 15
1 female 20 to 30
1 female 4o to 50
1831 Tax digest, Terr of Florida
Robert A. Lott
Luke Lott
1838 John Lott, Brother to Robert A. Lott and Jesse Lott (both in TX) killed by indians near Killum Springs in Grimes Co, about 1838.
1840 Census
Absolum Gadsden Co
Luke Jackson Co
Madison Gadsden
26 May 1845 Fl Index of Voters for lst statewide election
Gadsden Co John Lott
Zell Lott (probably Zachariah Madison Lott)
Nathaniel Lott
W. Lott
Jackson Co Luke
1850 Robert A. Lott is in Washington Co, TX
1850 Census
Gadsden Co.
Madison Lott 26 Blacksmith MS
Julia A. 25 GA
Ann 4 FL
Walton Lott 24 Farmer MS
John 21/26 MS
Leonidas 22 MS
Lucinda 30 MS
William Lott 35 Farmer MS
Margaret 26 FL
Lavisa FL
Sarah l FL
William Lott 28 GA
Margaret 20 FL
John 3 FL
Mary 1 FL
Calhoun Co,
Luke Lott 42 MS
Anna M. 33 NC
Sarah E. 13 FL
Frances 8 FL
William C. 11 FL
Mary B. 6 FL
Eveline E. 3 FL
Wm Montford 50 NC
Henry Montford 24 NC
Wm Castleberry 28 FL
Jackson Co
Malvina F. 23 GA
William F. 6 GA
John 4 GA
Reuben Kent 35 Overseer GA
Mary Lassiter 70 GA
Note: Lassiter - mother of Malvina????
Parker, P.M. 33 KY
Anna M. 24 FL
George Owend Lott 30 GA
Note: Was this Malvina�s husband?????
1 Jan 1858 List of students of Prof. Luckie, Gadsden Co, FL
Wreathy Ann Lott (Lucy Ann???)
Frances Lott
Becky Lott
Note: Children of Z. Madison Lott.
26 Nov 1858 School ends for Prof. Luckie and Lott family paid for education of W.A.
and Fannie Lott (what happened to Becky Lott???)
1860 Census
Calhoun Co.
Luke Lott 49 MS
Ann M. 44 NC
William C. 20 FL
Mary B. 16 FL
Eveline E. 13 FL
Jesse Low Jr. 25 FL M.D.
Sarah E. 22 FL (dau of Luke)
William J. 1 FL
Charles Brown 24 AL farmer
Frances 18 FL (dau of Luke)
William O. L FL
Gadsden Co.
Walton Lott 33 FL
Caroline 34 GA
William W. 3 FL
Walton 1 FL
Zachariah Madison Lott 45 Blacksmith
Julia A. 44
Lucy A. 13
Frances 9
Rebecca J. 7
John Lott 30 Farmer
Lee (Leonidas) 27 Dentist
Sarah J. 8
Note: Whose child in Sarah J.????
1860�s Jesse Lott, brother to Robert A. Lott and John Lott dies in San Antonio, TX.
Jul 1861 William C. Lott enlists, mustered out 1 May 1865. Died at Chattanouga.
On Roll of Co, I (Dixie Boys), 4th FL infantry
2 Apr 1862 William Lott enlisted in Co, H, 6th FL infantry.
4 Sep 1862 Z. Madison Lott enlisted in Concordia Inf (Cpt Wilk�s unit). He later re-
enlisted in Co, B, 6th Regiment
1864 Zachariah Madison Lott was a member of Concordia Lodge No. 29,
Gadsden Co, FL
3 Feb 1864 Luke Lott writes to Gov. Milton from Chattahoochee, FL
4 Feb 1864 Luke Lott sends further info to Gov Milton. Luke was at Jackson Co, FL
5 Feb 1864 Luke Lott, respectable citizen of Calhoun Co, FL . . .
26 Apr 1865 Zachariah Madison Lott mustered out of Co, B, 6th FL infantry
17 Jun 1866 Eveline E. Lott married Joseph S. Stone in Calhoun Co., FL (daughter of
Luke Lott)
13 Mar 1873 Marianna Courier reported �that CPT Luke Lott was near Campbellton, FL.
He was also sighted in TX and in Coffee Co, AL but we believe him
to be in an Eufaula, AL cemetary. Luke probably killed J.Q. Dickinson.
Luke a reputable planter prior to the civil war with land near the Jackson-
Calhoun boundary on the Apalachicola River was a close ally of Gov John
Milton, FL. Became an outlaw. In the 1860�s, he shot and killed James
Yearty, a Republican official of Calhoun Co, FL.�
CSA Pensions, Florida
Neil Black 6th Regiment Infantry (Ann Lott) Gadsden Co.
Stephen J. Lightsey (GA) (Elizabeth Lott) Hillsborough Co
S.G. Graham (SC) (Julia Lott) Alachua Co
James Pl. Thompson (GA) (Mary Lott) Polk Co
John Wesley Wilkerson 8th Regiment Infantry (Nancy Lott) Escambia Co
William Lafayette Murrell (SC) (Rosa Lott) Hillsborough Co.
Subj: Re: Florida Lotts
Date: 10/6/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Thanks Joe, it helped a bunch. I'm getting my time line refined pretty good now and some of these helped. The item about John Lott elected judge in FL Terr in 1825 really fits in good. It's clear that this group left Marion Co., MS, about then and all appeared in Jackson Co., FL, to pick right up again.
I'm convinced this John, Arthur, Robert, Jesse, and Luke are the younger of the set of like-named siblings in the Washington Co. proceedings of 1807 or so. I think the John Lott Sr. of this era was the John born c1765 and called the "founder of Lotts Bluff", but I can't figure out when he died. His son seems to have been born about 1790 and I call him John "the innkeeper" and I think it was he who went to FL and then to TX. In Texas, David Crockett stayed at his inn on his way to the Alamo in 1836.
Subj: RE: Florida Lotts
Date: 10/6/98 5:43:14 AM Central Daylight Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Joseph Lott)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com ('firstname.lastname@example.com')
Here it is as an RTF file translation of Dan's file. Good old Winzip was able to open it. I saved it to RTF using MS Word. Don't know if it lost any formatting in the process, but it looks pretty much like the stuff I've seen from Dan before.
I heard about the Blood on the Bluebonnets book from Teresa Perry but haven't had time to look into it of the Austin colony connection. I've been spending my free time trying to find out who is the father of Nathan Lott (who m. Dicey Watts). Looking forward to hearing more about Stephen Austin Lott on the Lott Circle. Which Arthur Lott was his father?
I'm in London this week and Singapore next. How did we get along before we had internet and email?
Regards, JL
Subj: Fwd: Lott/McGee Ancestry
Date: 10/6/98 4:16:42 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Pinstride
To: Mik MP
To Vernell Mancuso:
I am happy to forward your inquiry to the Reuben Watts Genealogy Group. Perhaps someone can provide some information to you.
Good luck,
John Watts Jamison
In a message dated 10/6/98 11:35:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mik MP writes:
<< Subj: Lott/McGee Ancestry
Date: 10/6/98 11:35:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Mik MP
To: Pinstride
CC: Mik MP
Hello Mr John Watts Jamison,
I am trying to research my ggrandmother, Elizabeth McGee Lott, married to James L. Lott in 1865 in Miss. She was born in 1850 in Miss., both her parents were born in Miss., but as yet I don't know their names.(We are told that Elizabeths' mother was Suckey(Sucky on census)McGeehe on the 1832 Eastern Creek census, living in Hickory Ground Town in Creek Nation at that time. James L. Lott was born in 1843 in Miss., his mother was born in Ala., his father in LA., but we don't know their names.
The James L. Lott family moved to Texas, and I have the 1880 Limestone Co., TX census with my grandmother Viola, age 5, on that census. So far we have not been able to find out any info on these Lotts. I was wondering if possibly the Watts research group could shed some light on this Lott family.
We would greatly apreciate any info you might have on these Lotts, I am on the Lott Circle, but we have found no info on this James L. and Elizabeth(Lizzie)McGee Lott parents as yet, and our family has no records, just old pictures of the family.
Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you so much. Mik MP (Vernell Mancuso) >>
Forwarded Message:
Subj: Lott/McGee Ancestry
Date: 10/6/98 10:35:39 AM Central Daylight Time
From: Mik MP
To: Pinstride
CC: Mik MP
Hello Mr John Watts Jamison,
I am trying to research my ggrandmother, Elizabeth McGee Lott, married to James L. Lott in 1865 in Miss. She was born in 1850 in Miss., both her parents were born in Miss., but as yet I don't know their names.(We are told that Elizabeths' mother was Suckey(Sucky on census)McGeehe on the 1832 Eastern Creek census, living in Hickory Ground Town in Creek Nation at that time. James L. Lott was born in 1843 in Miss., his mother was born in Ala., his father in LA., but we don't know their names.
The James L. Lott family moved to Texas, and I have the 1880 Limestone Co., TX census with my grandmother Viola, age 5, on that census. So far we have not been able to find out any info on these Lotts. I was wondering if possibly the Watts research group could shed some light on this Lott family.
We would greatly appreciate any info you might have on these Lotts, I am on the Lott Circle, but we have found no info on this James L. and Elizabeth(Lizzie)McGee Lott parents as yet, and our family has no records, just old pictures of the family.
Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you so much. Mik MP (Vernell Mancuso)
Subj: Re: Lott/Watts research
Date: 10/6/98 10:34:04 PM Central Daylight Time
From: email@example.com (Cloetis Rozell Vickery)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Hi there!
My line is:
Thomas Watts--Elizabeth Lott
Bartlett S. Watts---Dicey Lott
Margaret Watts---James M. Rozell
Peter Rozell-------Laurisa Woodard
Ulysses G. Rozell----Dora Blair
Cloetis Rozell----Thomas Vickery
Elizabeth Watts was a sister to my gr gr grandfather Bartlett S. Watts. I just found out a few years ago that my husbands grgrandmother was Anna Lott. She is descended from your line of Arthur and Elizabeth Lott. So it seems that you and my husband are cousins, as well as me. It certainly surprised me when I found that I was related to my husband! I think that we are 5th cousins once removed!
How are you descended from Arthur and Elizabeth? It is so nice to find another cousin. I could not find your web page. Please tell me how to get there again.
Your cousin, Cloetis
Subj: Fwd: Lott/Watts research
Date: 10/7/98
With all these cousin marriages it's a wonder we all don't have both eyes on the same side of our heads.
Subj: Re: Lott/Watts research
Date: 10/7/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Hi Cousin Cloetis. I put your e-mail address on our Lott Circle mailing list and routed your message around the circle. Let me know if you do not wish to receive it, however. My gg-grandmother, Elizabeth "Betsy" Lott was a daughter of Arthur and Elizabeth. She married Cowan McClung in 1850 and they eventually settled in Navarro Co., TX. That's where I'm from.
You can access my web page as follows: <http://members.aol.com/jbarron933>
There are several things to check while there, but I would start with the paper "Southern Colonial Lott Families" and then look at the "Descendants of John Lott." The latter needs to be updated, but the older generations have not changed. Keep in mind, however, that these are my interpretations of the evidence. Nothing about the Lott family history is ever finalized or conclusive. You will understand this by reading the 1997 Lott Circle messages which are also stored on the web page.
I would love to include your Lott family data. Let me know if you have any more problems, suggestions, or additions.
Subj: (no subject)
Date: 10/7/98
To: email@example.com
John, I saw your query concerning Elizabeth Lott in the GenForum. I'd like to invite you to join our on-line southern Lott research group. We store our results on my web page which can be accessed as follows: John Barron's Home Page
I was interested in the Indian claim affidavit; especially the date. We see these things a great deal in studying the Lott and Watts families, however, they seemed to have begun about 1890 when the Oklahoma Terr. was being settled. This 1871 date is intriguing. I never put any faith in what these thing say since they are self serving and always hear-say, but you never know. There were no Choctaw in Georgia, of course, and the ones I've seen are just repeating some family legend which occurred generations prior to their time.
John C. Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: the Lott family
Date: 10/9/98 12:29:25 PM Central Daylight Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (john crook)
To: email@example.com
There has always been a good bit of doubt in my family about the "indian thing" with Grandma Faircoth. A bit of history on her --she was an anglican--the first episcopal church in the what is now Vernon parish La. was her private chapel-the cemetery there is still known as Elizabeth Chapel. She married her first husband (my ancestor) in Jackson county Ga. in the 1820's--the affidavit signed by her children states that she was born in Mississippi--so she was far from home and in Cherokee country when she married Martin. We do have her picture--in middle age--looks rather like my Mother and she does not look like an indian.
Recently however, I was contacted by a professor, who is writing a civil war history on the central part of La. based on a book written after the was by a turn coat southerner. This coward was captured by Capt. Robert W. Martin--the son of Elizabeth Lott Martin--Uncle Robert was charged with rounding up deserters and jayhawkers and seeing that they were punished - anyway, the jawhawker wrote in his book that Uncle Martin was an indian--he said this insultingly--or rather that he was part indian.
Most in my family do not believe the indian stuff--they were never accepted on the Indian Rolls and frankly until I see more credible proof, I doubt it myself.
Subj: Elizabeth Lott Martin Faircloth
Date: 10/9/98 6:28:12 PM Central Daylight Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (john crook)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Hey John,
This is going to be a rather long e-mail as I went home and found a copy of that affidavit about Elizabeth's Indian ancestry.
I was wrong--she died in 1871 and the affidavit was done in 1911.According to the document she was the daughter of Willaim Lott and a sister to Nathan Lott. It states that she was a native of Mississippi. She was born around 1804. She was supposed to be the grandaughter of Dice Lott, who was the daughter of John Lott, who was supposed to be some kind of "lesser" chief of the Choctaws. Frankly, I am not sure of any of this--She did not live the life of an indian woman. She and her first husband, Tandy Key Martin were certainly pioneers but they traveled with a large number of slaves--18 to be exact and built an impressive house on the La. frontier. Her granddaughters attended Sacred Heart Academy in the 1850's in Natchitoches La. and her sons the University Of Louisiana at New Orleans (this school became Tulane) and one son became a regimental doctor during the war--hard to believe that indians would have lived such a life. Their pictures reveal them to be dark haired and rather handsome people--I wish that I could determine if this indian stuff were true or not--if it is then she was probably living among indians that had white fathers and because she was no hut or tepee type squaw!
Not sure of just how the Choctaw's lived as far as housing goes--I'm rambling.
Subj: Texas and Florida Lotts
Date: 10/10/98 9:57:30 PM Central Daylight Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Joseph Lott)
Reply-to: email@example.com (firstname.lastname@example.com)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com ('firstname.lastname@example.com')
Good luck in sorting out the Florida Lotts.
Does any of your research clear up the confusing remarks in Robert Witt's book (see below)? The Joshua Lott family mentioned matches pretty closely with what Dan and I have for Joshua Lott b. 1795, believed to be the son of Joshua Lott who was a son of our John Lott 1720. I agree that John Lott 1790 is a good match for the innkeeper. Who is the Absalom Lott? My only candidate would be Absalom Lott 1810 who m. Canzada Burt?
Regards, JL
"The first of the Lott family in Texas seems to have been John Lott, a relation of Absalom Lott, Sr of Covington and Marion Counties, MS. John Lott was a minor tax assessor-collector, inn keeper, and businessman. He was one of the men who rented out the building in which the Texas Declaration of Independence was signed at Washington-on-the-Brazos in 1836. David Crockett and his band of Tennesseans are said to have stopped briefly at John Lott's place on their way to San Antonio and their historic rendezvous with destiny. Direct ascendent Joshua and Mary Ann Lott arrived in Texas from Mississippi about 1843 with their sons Calvin, Absalom, Simon Peter, and John. Joshua Lott's older brother, also named Absalom, arrived in Texas in the 1830's and after spending time in East Texas moved on to Bosque County. The elder Absalom Lott was involved in the second lawsuit ever recorded in Smith County, Texas, apparently the result of a land dispute with the notorious Bill English, the black sheep brother of several early Texas patriots."
[from Under the Starry Cross by Robert L. Witt, page 5]
Subj: Re: Texas and Florida Lotts
Date: 10/11/98 3:06:43 PM Central Daylight Time
From: J I CJ 134
To: JBarron933
Here is the information i have on Absalom Lott. Tell me what you think. John Lott (1700-1778) mar- Elizabeth Joyner. They had a son also John Lott(1720-1805).He had a son Absalom Lott(1758-1825) mar-Martha Jane Lightfoot. They also had a son they named Absalom Lott (1799-1874)who mar-Sarah Watts. Subj: Re: Texas and Florida Lotts
Date: 10/11/98 5:21:36 PM Central Daylight Time
From: J I CJ 134
To: JBarron933
I would like to make a correction on her name it was Martha Dorcy Littlefoot. Don't know why i said Martha Jane. Also i do know that there are a few more Absaloms that run in this line of Lotts but haven't put it all together yet. Maybe one of these is yours. I keep looking and let you know what i find out
Iva They had a son they named Absalom Jack Lott(11 Feb. 1844 - 10 Sept 1918) married Brunette Jane Watts(1843-1921) on 24 Dec. 1868. This Absalom is my greatgrandfather. He and his wife where born in Covington Co. MS. they are buried there. I have some more on this family if you want it .
Subj: Re: Texas and Florida Lotts
Date: 10/11/98
To: J I CJ 134
Iva, that's pretty much what I have too. I think his wife was a Lightfoot, but Sue Miklas (also a descendant of Absalom) is not willing to accept it just yet. She's even more skeptical than me.
As far as this Absalom is concerned, I don't think he was the one in Florida and later showing up Texas in 1836. There was an Absalom in Florida in 1840 who was born about 1785 and I think he was the one in Texas with John, Robert A., and Arthur.
Subj: Lott Circle
Date: 10/11/98
Posted by Michael G. Copeland <junostar@airemailnet> on [Lott GenForum] October 10, 1998 at 17:18:37:
In Reply to: Re: AARON LOTT> 1700s> VIRGINIA posted by John C. Barron on October 03, 1998 at 16:03:27:
I cannot link Aaron Lott to any land transactions or locate a marriage record for Nancy Lott, daughter of Aaron Lott, to Nicholas Copeland. I have read more than two dozen genealogies and I have searched even the deed records. Nicholas was married to Ann (WOODNOT) Ransome in Essex/Orange County, Virginia at the time of his death in 1742. The various genealogies suggest at least two of Nicholas Copeland's brothers also marrying a daughter of Aaron Lott. I have found only one Bible reference that indicated that WILLIAM COPELAND of Rowan County, North Carolina married Margaret Lott the dau. of Aaron Lott. This came from the John Dill Bible dated 1820. The Dills were related by marriage when Lydia Dill married James Copeland, the son of Nicholas Copeland mentioned above. Other than that, I can find no other written proof that any of the genealogies are correct on this point. A distant relative who went to Georgia was LOTT COPELAND and according to the many other written genealogies was named for Aaron Lott. This is not my family so I am in no position to challenge this point. I simply don't know about that. It is all so very tantalizing, but I still don't have any info on Aaron, or anything tangible to connect him to my family line. It is becoming very frustrating to say the least. Any info you may come across would greatly be appreciated if you could toss it my way. Thanks for your input and response./ Michael G. Copeland.
This should send a warning flag to any Aaron Lott researchers: all the information on him appears to be coming from secondary sources written generations after the fact. The GenForum is a very good resource for Lott and other family research.
John Barron
Subj: Thomas P. C. Lott
Date: 10/19/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Bill, I scanned the following from the Goliad [TX] County History Book. T.P.C. Lott said he was born 1809 in Georgia according to 1850 census of Goliad Co.. Looks like if he was a son of your William then he was from an earlier marriage. Also there was a Robert Lott born 1805 GA in same neighborhood as TPC in 1850 who may have been a brother.
Thomas Peter Carnes Lott (1809-1855) came from Alabama and married Christina Susan Stuart (1818-1861) in Columbus, Mississippi on October 31, 1833.
The couple came to Texas in 1841, settled in Marshall, Harrison County at first, then moved to Jackson County and in 1845, came to Goliad. Their home was west of the town on the San Antonio River. They had eight children:
Ophelia Cordelia (1835-1875) married David Wiley Hodges June 20, 1856; Robert Rufus Rutilius (1838-1874; Virginia Alabama (1840-1899) married Theodore Elliott Harman August 9, 1858; Myra Amanda "Clip" (1842-1922) married William Albert "Buck" Pettus February 4, 1865; Thomas Wheeler (1845-1866); James Byron "Stang" (1849-1890) married Virginia Pettus in December, 1873; Walter Jerome "Ed" (1850-1903) married Mary Elizabeth Stephens November 15, 1873; William Wallace "Will" (1854-1933) married Pinkie Angier January 29, 1879.
James Byron "Stang" Lott was never referred to by his Christian name, but by the nickname "Stang," shortened from mustang, He was given the nickname by his family early in his life after he had become expert at breaking horses. Stang, with his brothers and brothers-in-law, contributed greatly to the growth of the county through farming and ranching. They had helped with cattle drives up to Kansas.
Stang and Virginia began married life by building their home on the south side of the San Antonio River, west of Goliad. The original home was a typical "Texas-style" ranch home. After Stang's early death in his late forties, Virginia added three front rooms with high ceilings and a graceful full porch. The family continued to live there and Virginia maintained Stang's ranch holdings, as well as raising the family. Their six children grew up on the home place and one child, John Freeman, brought his bride, Charline Campbell, to the ranch home to spend the next 60 years there.
This bride, Charline, was the daughter of the president of the first bank of Goliad, Mr. W. E. Campbell. Charhne brought much family history with her, as her family had been one of the old families of Missouri.
John Freeman continued ranching interests that had begun with his father until his death in the 1970s. The original home is now lived in by his son, John Freeman Lott, Jr., and his wife, Arlene Pettus Lott.
Walter Jerome "Ed" Lott made eight safe cattle drives to Kansas before finally quitting. His wife, Mary Elizabeth Stephens of DeWitt County, was the daughter of John Henry Stephens, a widely known and respected cattleman and commission man, who handled the sale of many of the King Ranch cattle and was later one of the administrators of the famous XIT ranch.
The Ed Lott home ranch was in Goliad County. He also owned a large spread in the corner of Bee, Live Oak and Karnes counties, where the town of Pawnee now stands-. the Wilson Ranch.
The Ed Lotts had seven children but four of them died in infancy. The three who lived were Opheha "Ophie" (1876-1955), Mary Myrtle (1878-1949) and Walter Henry (1880-1953).
Opheha eloped with John Hiram Pittman (1866-1932) in Goliad on November 15, 1901 on the eve of her marriage to another man. Their son, Walter Preston, was born on September 1, 1902 and married Eulallie Carruthers Wright of Denton on February 7, 1931. They live in Corpus Christi, where Mr. Pittman was a banker for 39 years, retiring as Chairman of the Board of First City Bank. Mr. Pittman has served as trustee of the Driscoll Foundation for 32 years. They have one daughter, Eulallie Patricia, born December 3, 1931. She graduated from SMU and married Walter Scott Light (April 3, 1931), of the Light Ranch at Cotufla, on June 5, 1953. They have three children, Walter Scott, Jr. (Jan. 16, 1955), Laurie Eulallie (May 16, 1957) and Myssie Forest (Sept. 19, 1959).
Mary Myrtle married Barton Peck Patton. They had no children.
Walter Henry married Ella Mae Pettus on November 6, 1903. She died on March 7, 1964. Their daughter, Virginia Mae was born on August 27, 1906. She married Creston Henry Funk in Victoria September 19, 1928. He is an investment broker in San Antonio.
The Funks have two children, Annie Mae (Nov. 6, 1930) and Creston Henry, Jr. (Aug. 23, 1943).
William Wallace "Will" Lott was born in Goliad on January 29, 1854. He married Sarah Philena Jane Mariah Rice Pinkey "Pink" Angier in 1879 after he had served a short time with the Texas Rangers. She was born in Tyler and died in 1942 at the age of 83. They lived on their ranch in the west part of Goliad County until moving into town, where they lived on the north side of the square. They had six children:
William Thomas Lott, who died in 1956, was married to Alma Reed Eckhardt. Durian Angier died in 1959. James Walter Lott died in 1953. Pinkie Virginia Lott was killed in the cyclone in 1902 at the age of 11. Stuart Pettus Lott married Hazel Taylor in 1926. He died in 1962. Lottie Lee Lott, who died in 1979, was married to Leo Charles Lutenbacher of Goliad. He died in 1954. They had one child, Angier Lee, who is married to Grady Stafford St. Clair and now resides in Goliad, after having lived in Corpus Christi for many years.
In the 1850s, the settlers in South Texas were plagued by the raids of Gen. Juan Cortinas of the Mexican Army. Horses and cattle were stolen, driven off to Matamoros and sold. It has been said that the general had a lucrative business in cattle export to Cuba. The fact that the general was an officer of the Mexican government made his criminal activities a responsibility of that government.
The victims filed a protest with the United States government and about 1875, a general of the U.S. Army accepted their claims at Rockport. The claims dragged along for years with no results until the 1930s. At that time, a Mexican-American claim commission was set up under the direction of Edgar Witt, a former Texas lieutenant governor. After many negotiations, the claims were established using a complex formula involving the total animals stolen, less losses due to death and attrition, plus allowance for normal increase.
The claims were scaled down to a fraction of the original amount and the U.S. government took out their fee for handling. The claims were paid in annual installments, the last of which were in 1956, approximately 100 years after the actual incidents, and the payments were divided equally among the heirs. The spread was large, since the family tree has many branches, developed in all those years.
W. Preston Pittman
[Scanned by John C. Barron from Pruett, Jakie L. and Everett B. Cole, The History and Heritage of Goliad County, (Austin, Texas: Eakin Publications, 1983).]
Subj: Re: loise Lott #9775
Date: 10/19/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
I checked these records too a couple of months ago. I don't remember this specific one, but seems like a Thomas Lott from Alabama was noted several times by his children as being Creek. This was about 1900 and I think he had moved to Oklahoma Terr about 1880. These records are what is known as the "Dawes Commission" rolls.
Subj: Re: Thomas P. C. Lott
Date: 10/21/98 8:53:16 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Famnation
To: JBarron933
do you know where in georgia tpc and robert lott were born in the early 1800's (referenced in e-mail re goliad county, texas, heritage). thnx, melicent remy
Subj: Re: Thomas P. C. Lott
Date: 10/21/98
To: Famnation
If they were indeed sons of William Lott son of Arthur (killed by the Indians) which I think they were, then they would have been born in Tattnall Co., GA. Most of the Lott brothers lived in Tattnall at that time which had been created out of Montgomery Co. in 1801 There were two William Lotts there and the older was a brother of Arthur.
Subj: LOTT FAMILY FIND
Date: 10/22/98 2:39:41 PM Central Daylight Time
From: BandB4951
To: JBarron933
Dear John,
Hello and thank you for your web page. The connection was forwarded to me by two different people, Ted Taylor and Barb Brill after my email inquiry upon finding them at a website on Lott's. I have found my ggg grandmother listed in your family information. Her name was Frances Lucretia Lott. My information has that her nickname was "Patsy." I have had no other information on her family which I found on your list that she was the daughter of Martha Jane and Absalom Lott, the son of John Lott and Bethany, I believe, etc.. I am still going through it all. Frances Lucretia Lott married William Hatten from North Carolina who had moved to Mississippi. They had 10 children the last of which she died during childbirth. Her husband remarried and was the first coroner of Winn Parrish, Louisiana. I have more information on them that I will send to you for your files soon. I am so very delighted to find out this information as I have been searching for her for awhile. According to the information I had from other relatives she was Indian or part Indian. There is also information regarding her son Presley Hatten and his lifestyle indicating that he was part Indian in a small town newspaper from Louisiana. I know it says on your files that they had applied at some point in time for Indian registration and were turned down. I was told by the Choctaw offices that anyone who stayed behind and did not go on the 'Trail of Tears' after the signing of the last treaty would not have been included on the Dawes rolls which are used for determining that area of Indian heritage. Do you have anything further on that? Also, I do not see any mention of any other ancestry prior to that of Virginia...other than basic mention of Anglo-Saxon heritage....of course I have only just been looking at it for a short while now....but is it primarily English or do you have other information? It is just so wonderful to finally have some answers. Thank you so very much. My husband and I both went to U.T. and he and my oldest son were both born in Austin...obviously, I mention this since it appears that you reside in Austin. My husband is an Owen- Barnett with the Barnetts out of Macon, Georgia, Thomas Henry Shedrick Barnett and Emily Butler Barnett and Owens out of Indiana moving to Austin in 1930's....Charles Hobart Owens and Pearl Owens. My father is a Myrick out of Mississippi into Louisiana....and Parker and Jennings on his mother's side and my mother was Slaughter on her father's side....Indian and French originally out of Mississippi and her mother who is descended from the Lott-Hatten side. Frances Lucretia Lott married William Hatten and I also see another Lott relative right around that time...Mary or something...I'll look it up....who was married to a William Hatten....I wouldn't suppose it was same....one of Frances and William's sons was Lawrence, my gg grandfather who died in a Northern P.O.W. camp during the Civil War after being wounded and captured in the Battle of Nashville immediately after the Battle of Franklin and whose son was Cicero, my great grandfather who married my great grandmother Della Jones and their daughter Ethel Hatten Womack Slaughter, my grandmother was married to Louis Slaughter and their children were my mother, Ethel La Verne Slaughter Myrick married to Billy (Billie) Earl Myrick and her older brother, La Moyne Slaughter. There are other half brothers and sisters on both her mother and father's sides of the family as well as other possibilities of interest you might or might not want to add to your files...so I'll check it out and let you know. Thank you again for all of your time you have put into the information on your website. It has been so very helpful and really means so very much to me to find it.
Sincerely, Bellinda Gail Myrick Barnett
Dallas, Texas
Subj: Re: LOTT FAMILY FIND
Date: 10/23/98
To: BandB4951
Bellinda, thank you for the nice words about the web page. I have so much more information to put on it, but there aren't enough hours in the day. You know how that goes, I'm sure.
I have put your name on our Lott Circle mailing list of 40+ southern researchers. Let me know if that's not ok. There are several of you who share descent from Frances Lucretia Lott and her father, Absalom Lott, is my ancestor. If I remember correctly, most of the information on her is legendary in nature and needs to be used with caution. If you follow the "paper trail" on Frances Lucretia you will find that most of it goes back to a headstone that was erected long after her death by her descendants. I think that they confused her mother with Frances.
As you may know, Patsy is the old-fashioned nickname for Martha. Frances' mother was named Martha and some have postulated that her name was Martha Lightfoot or "Princess Patsy Lightfoot." I put no stock in these Indian legends, however, and I feel that they all stem from some family scandal passed down and romanticized by later generations. The Lotts were rich and politically prominent folks who could not have been openly involved with Indian women who would have been considered "colored people" by the southern settlers. No doubt this sounds racist by today's standards, but we have to put ourselves in a different era to figure this thing out.
If you will read the messages that I have stored on the web page you will find some mention of Frances Lucretia. I have received many this years that are not archived yet and will try to find some of them for you.
Subj: Re: Lott
Date: 10/23/98
To: Famnation
Thanks Melicent, but hey lets cut out that New York stuff. Of course, I've got two little Yankee grandsons in Boston, but that's beside the point. Emsley (not Ensley) is a name used extensively by the Jesse Lott descendants originally from Edgefield Co., SC. I'm sure this Jesse is a son of John Lott #1 and Elizabeth Joyner of Edgecombe Co., NC. The following is a descendant chart that I made on Jesse from records sent to me by our circle member Bill Moore. For the most part it is undocumented, but can give you some very good clues.
Descendants of Jesse Lott
Generation One
1. Jesse1 Lott; m. Sarah Friedrich; b. 1752 Burke, GA; d. 3 Dec 1782 Edgefield, SC.
He Passport 22 Nov. 1806.
Sarah Friedrich died in Sep 1831 Edgefield, SC.
Children of Jesse1 Lott and Sarah Friedrich were as follows:
2. i.Mary2, m. Stephen Bettis; b. 1765.
3. ii.Winnifred, m. Matthew Bettis; b. 1765.
4. iii.Jesse, m. Jane Bettis; b. 1773.
5. iv.Emsley, m. Sylvia Holston; m. Dimcy Barronton; b. 1773.
6. v.Emmaline, m. Benjamin Frazier Col.
Generation Two
2. Mary2 Lott (Jesse1); m. Stephen Bettis; b. 1765; d. before 1831.
Stephen Bettis died before 1831.
Children of Mary2 Lott and Stephen Bettis were as follows:
i.Elisha Lott3.
ii.Elijah Julius.
3. Winnifred2 Lott (Jesse1); m. Matthew Bettis; b. 1765; d. after 1831 Clark, AL.
Matthew Bettis married Winneford Lott, daughter of Mark Lott and (--?--) Unknown. He died
before 1831.
Children of Winnifred2 Lott and Matthew Bettis were:
i.Jesse3; b. Edgefield, SC; d. Edgefield, SC.
4. Jesse2 Lott (Jesse1); m. Jane Bettis; b. 1773; d. 25 Mar 1811 Edgefield, SC.
He D Oct 1837?.
Jane Bettis D recorded in minutes of Dry Creek Bap Ch. She died on 19 Sep 1837 Edgefield, SC.
Children of Jesse2 Lott and Jane Bettis were as follows:
7. i.Jesse3, m. Elizabeth Bettis; b. 1793.
8. ii.Elbert, m. Ferebe Bush; b. 1795 Edgefield, SC.
9. iii.Arthur J, m. Sarah J Bush; b. 1799 Edgefield, GA.
iv.Martha; m. Herrin Bush; m. Reuben Smith MS.
10. v. Mark
11. vi.Emsley, m. (--?--) Unknown; b. 1804 Burke, GA.
12. vii.John A, m. Charlsey Ann Gogburn; m. Sarah Blair Miles; b. 1805 Edgefield, SC.
viii.Mary; m. Wade Barronton; b. 1807.
13. ix.Luke Bettis, m. Martha L Cullum; b. 1810 Edgefield, SC.
x. Allen.
5. Emsley2 Lott (Jesse1); m. Sylvia Holston; m. Dimcy Barronton; b. 1773; d. Nov 1829 Edgefield,
Sylvia Holston was born in 1784. She died in 1824 Edgefield, SC.
Children of Emsley2 Lott and Sylvia Holston were as follows:
i.John3; b. 1805.
ii.Mary; b. 1805.
She Martha?.
iii.Marshall; m. Sarah Q (--?--); b. 1810 Edgefield, SC; d. 1839.
14. iv.Sarah Sallie, m. Jas Spann; b. 1813 Edgefield, SC.
15. v.Lucinda, m. Samuel P Posey Col; b. 1815 Edgefield, SC.
vi.Emeline; m. Lemuel Corley; b. 1820.
16. vii.Emsley, m. Marina Rutland; b. 1823 Edgefield, SC.
Dimcy Barronton was born in 1793. She died after 1830 Edgefield, GA.
Children of Emsley2 Lott and Dimcy Barronton were:
i.Martha3; m. Ward Clinton; b. 1828; d. 1906.
6. Emmaline2 Lott (Jesse1); m. Benjamin Frazier Col; d. before 1831.
Benjamin Frazier Col Had 7 wives. He was born in 1779. He died in 1844 LA.
Children of Emmaline2 Lott and Benjamin Frazier Col were as follows:
i.Mary3; m. Reuben Drake.
ii.Martha; m. Chas J Glover.
Generation Three
7. Jesse3 Lott (Jesse2, Jesse1); m. Elizabeth Bettis; b. 1793; d. 8 Jul 1851 Montgomery, GA.
Elizabeth Bettis 1850 cen Columbia GA/s Jesse. She was born in 1783.
Children of Jesse3 Lott and Elizabeth Bettis were as follows:
i. Temperance4.
17. ii.Keziah, m. Wm Welch.
iii.Martha; m. (--?--) Guy.
iv.Willey; m. (--?--) Green.
v.Emeline; m. (--?--) Johnson.
18. vi.Robt A, b. 1820 GA; m. Mary Ann Hall.
19. vii.Mary Ann, b. 1836 GA; m. Wm Welch.
viii.Jesse; m. Nancy (--?--); b. 1823 GA.
He 1850 cen Columbia GA.
8. Elbert3 Lott (Jesse2, Jesse1); m. Ferebe Bush; bur. Fam Cem, Edgefield, SC; b. 1795 Edgefield,
SC; d. after 1860 Edgefield, SC.
He Grandson was Martin H Lott, b 1850 lvd Edgefield Co and buried Dry Cr eek Church there.
Edgefield cen 1870 shows w/Emaline 31, Ella 10, & V ianna 6. Latter 2 must be grandchildren. 1850 60
Edgefield SC.
Ferebe Bush was buried Fam Cem, Edgefield, SC. She was born circa 1795. She died before 1870
Edgefield, SC.
Children of Elbert3 Lott and Ferebe Bush all b. Edgefield, SC, were as follows:
i.Jesse4; b. 1830.
ii.Lucinda; m. Jesse Crouch; b. 1834.
iii.Jessie; b. 1836.
iv.Elisha; b. 1838.
v.Emmaline; b. circa 1839.
vi.John; b. circa 1842.
9. Arthur J3 Lott (Jesse2, Jesse1); m. Sarah J Bush; b. 1799 Edgefield, GA.
He 1840 50 cen Edgefield SC.
Sarah J Bush was born in 1805 Edgefield, SC.
Children of Arthur J3 Lott and Sarah J Bush all b. Edgefield, SC, were as follows:
i.Arthur J Jr4; b. circa 1819; m. Amanda C Bedinbaugh 23 Dec 1869 Edgefield, SC.
He 1840 Cen Edgefield SC.
ii.Wade; b. circa 1827.
iii.Rebecca; b. circa 1829.
iv.Rudosla; b. 1831.
v.Lomiza; b. circa 1832.
vi.Rolana; b. circa 1834.
10. Mark3 Lott (Jesse2, Jesse1); m. an unknown person.
Children of Mark3 Lott and an unknown spouse were as follows:
i. Elizabeth4.
ii. Jean.
11. Emsley3 Lott (Jesse2, Jesse1); m. (--?--) Unknown; b. 1804 Burke, GA.
He 1850 cen Muscogee GA, later Clay-Harris Co GA.
(--?--) Unknown died before 1850 Harris, GA.
Children of Emsley3 Lott and (--?--) Unknown all b. Muscogee, GA, were as follows:
i.John4; b. circa 1829.
ii.Elizabeth; b. circa 1829.
iii.Augustis; b. circa 1830.
iv.Julia; b. circa 1833.
v.Lemuel; b. circa 1834.
vi.T R; b. circa 1838.
vii.Edward; b. circa 1839.
viii.Georgia; b. circa 1840.
ix.Mary; b. circa 1841.
12. John A3 Lott (Jesse2, Jesse1); m. Charlsey Ann Gogburn; m. Sarah Blair Miles; b. 1805
Edgefield, SC; d. 1889 Edgefield, SC.
He Edgefield SC 1850 60 70.
Charlsey Ann Gogburn was born in 1816 SC. She died in 1848.
Children of John A3 Lott and Charlsey Ann Gogburn all b. Edgefield, SC, were as follows:
i.Elizabeth Jane4; m. David M Johnson; b. 1832; d. 1873.
20. ii.Wm, b. 1833; m. Missouri Ann Barronton.
21. iii.Samuel Pickens, b. 1835; m. Mahale Bortley.
iv.Luther; b. 1837.
22. v.Marshall, m. Martha Ann Posey; b. 1840.
vi.Geo Whitfield; m. Virginia ONeal; b. 1841.
vii.John Boliver; b. 1844.
viii.Martha Oregon; m. Lemuel James Turner; b. 1845.
ix.(--?--); b. 1848.
Sarah Blair Miles 1850 cen Edgefield SC. She was born circa 1818 SC.
Children of John A3 Lott and Sarah Blair Miles all b. Edgefield, SC, were as follows:
i.Emma Ready4; m. Jas Colman; b. 1852.
ii.Pope Norris; m. Norad Dunlap; b. 1854.
iii.Jack Miles; b. 1856.
iv.(--?--); b. 1860.
13. Luke Bettis3 Lott (Jesse2, Jesse1); m. Martha L Cullum; b. 1810 Edgefield, SC.
He 1850 cen Edgefield SC.
Martha L Cullum was born circa 1817 SC.
Children of Luke Bettis3 Lott and Martha L Cullum were:
i.Sophia4; b. 1841 Edgefield, SC.
14. Sarah Sallie3 Lott (Emsley2, Jesse1); m. Jas Spann; b. 1813 Edgefield, SC; d. before 1870
Edgefield, SC.
She 1860, 70(fam) cen Edgefield SC.
Jas Spann 1870 cen Edgefield SC. He was born circa 1805 SC. He died after 1870 Edgefield, SC.
Children of Sarah Sallie3 Lott and Jas Spann all b. Edgefield, SC, were as follows:
23. i.John4, m. Frances (--?--); b. circa 1836.
24. ii.Wm, m. Caroline (--?--); b. circa 1838.
iii.Jas; b. 1848.
15. Lucinda3 Lott (Emsley2, Jesse1); m. Samuel P Posey Col; b. 1815 Edgefield, SC; d. 1883.
She 1860 70 cen Edgefield SC.
Samuel P Posey Col was born circa 1813.
Children of Lucinda3 Lott and Samuel P Posey Col all b. Edgefield, SC, were as follows:
i.Martha A4; b. circa 1838.
ii.Wm R; b. circa 1846.
iii.Lafayette E; b. circa 1850.
iv.John M; b. circa 1852.
16. Emsley3 Lott (Emsley2, Jesse1); m. Marina Rutland; b. 1823 Edgefield, SC.
He 1850 60 cen Edgefield SC.
Marina Rutland was born in 1829 SC.
Children of Emsley3 Lott and Marina Rutland all b. Edgefield, SC, were as follows:
i.Laura4; b. 1846.
ii.Milton; b. 1849.
iii.Sarah; b. 1852.
iv.Telman; b. 1854.
v. Wm; b. 1858.
vi.Ida E; b. circa 1860.
Generation Four
17. Keziah4 Lott (Jesse3, Jesse2, Jesse1); m. Wm Welch 28 Feb 1830 Columbia, GA.
Wm Welch married Mary Ann Lott, daughter of Jesse Lott and Elizabeth Bettis, on 1 Dec 1841
Columbia, GA.
Children of Keziah4 Lott and Wm Welch were as follows:
i. Jesse5.
ii. Jas.
iii. Robt.
iv. John.
v. Wm.
vi. Richard.
18. Robt A4 Lott (Jesse3, Jesse2, Jesse1); b. 1820 GA; m. Mary Ann Hall 3 Jul 1842 Columbia, GA.
He 1850 cen Richmond GA.
Mary Ann Hall was born in 1822 GA.
Children of Robt A4 Lott and Mary Ann Hall all b. Richmond, GA, were as follows:
25. i.Ellis J5, m. Elizabeth (--?--); b. 1843.
ii.Elbert J; b. 1846.
iii.Elizabeth; m. Elias C Paul; b. 1847.
iv. Matilda; b.
26. v.Jas Allen, m. Tabitha Lucky; b. 1852.
vi.Falba A; b. 1854.
19. Mary Ann4 Lott (Jesse3, Jesse2, Jesse1); b. 1836 GA; m. Wm Welch 1 Dec 1841 Columbia, GA.
She 1850 Cen Columbia GA.
Wm Welch married Keziah Lott, daughter of Jesse Lott and Elizabeth Bettis, on 28 Feb 1830
Columbia, GA.
Children of Mary Ann4 Lott and Wm Welch were:
i.Mary Ann5; b. GA.
20. Wm4 Lott (John3, Jesse2, Jesse1); b. 1833 Edgefield, SC; m. Missouri Ann Barronton 15 Dec 1853
Edgefield, SC.
He Edgefield SC cen 1860 70.
Missouri Ann Barronton was born circa 1837 SC.
Children of Wm4 Lott and Missouri Ann Barronton all b. Edgefield, SC, were as follows:
i.Jesse W5; b. circa 1855.
ii.Albert; b. circa 1859.
iii.Luther; b. circa 1869.
iv.Wm; b. circa 1870.
21. Samuel Pickens4 Lott (John3, Jesse2, Jesse1); b. 1835 Edgefield, SC; m. Mahale Bortley 1 Nov
1855 Edgefield, SC.
He 1860 70 cen Edgefield SC.
Mahale Bortley was born in 1836 SC.
Children of Samuel Pickens4 Lott and Mahale Bortley all b. Edgefield, SC, were as follows:
i.Ella5; b. circa 1859.
ii.Flora; b. circa 1865.
iii.John; b. 1868.
22. Marshall4 Lott (John3, Jesse2, Jesse1); m. Martha Ann Posey; b. 1840 Edgefield, SC.
He 1870 cen Edgefield SC.
Martha Ann Posey was born in 1857 SC.
Children of Marshall4 Lott and Martha Ann Posey were:
i.Idelor5; b. 1862 Edgefield, SC.
23. John4 Spann (Sarah3Lott, Emsley2, Jesse1); m. Frances (--?--); b. circa 1836 Edgefield, SC.
Frances (--?--) was born in 1857 SC.
Children of John4 Spann and Frances (--?--) were:
i.Sarah Lott5; b. 1865 Edgefield, SC.
24. Wm4 Spann (Sarah3Lott, Emsley2, Jesse1); m. Caroline (--?--); b. circa 1838 Edgefield, SC.
Caroline (--?--) was born in 1849 SC.
Children of Wm4 Spann and Caroline (--?--) both b. Edgefield, SC, were as follows:
i.Ella5; b. 1867.
ii.Irvin; b. 1869.
Generation Five
25. Ellis J5 Lott (Robt4, Jesse3, Jesse2, Jesse1); m. Elizabeth (--?--); b. 1843 Richmond, GA.
Children of Ellis J5 Lott and Elizabeth (--?--) were as follows:
i.Gabel6; b. 1870.
ii.Jesse S; b. 1873.
iii. Wm; b. 1873.
iv. Mary A.
26. Jas Allen5 Lott (Robt4, Jesse3, Jesse2, Jesse1); m. Tabitha Lucky; b. 1852 Richmond, GA.
Tabitha Lucky was born in 1851. She died in 1918.
Children of Jas Allen5 Lott and Tabitha Lucky were as follows:
i.Volney Jackson6; b. 1874.
ii.Barbara Allen; b. 1878.
iii.Mary L; b. 1880.
iv.Della; b. 1882.
Subj: Re: Lott
Date: 10/22/98 8:36:37 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Famnation
To: JBarron933
john: this msg to you was stowed a few weeks ago; i kept getting kicked out on 'aol', then never got back to it due to heavy overtime at work. hope it still makes some sense:
thnx, john, for the personal msg! i do really appreciate yr service, and all the info....however, my modem is prez so slow, that i rarely can get thru, but my cuz and son-in-law have taken a peek, and so far, do not see a connection. i really need to do some winter census work and see what i can find...my craziness, is altho my lotts are definitely 'southern born and bred', the oral tradition says that we had come from new
yoork. but i did receive a bit of new info tonite: either my gr, gr grandfather, or my gr, gr, gr grandfather was ensley lott, which may be helpful to the search as it is quite an unusual name. my grdfather, wm laurence lott, was raised in columbus, ga, and we think his father - which is either thomas, or this ensley, settled there from elsewhere...but have you ever come across an ensley? (and next trip down to northumberland county, tidewater, va's northern neck, i'll see if i can find out anything about the hamlet 'lottsburg' which i a long time ago mentioned to you...) thnx again, melicent remy
Subj: Re: LOTT FAMILY FIND
Date: 10/23/98 3:05:03 PM Central Daylight Time
From: BandB4951
To: JBarron933
Dear John,
Yes, thank you. How lovely for you to add my name to the list I do so appreciate it. This is all so important for me to find out. And, yes, I do know about the predjudices from that time about the Indian involvement issue. It is pervasive even today. My mother's father was possibly half French and half Indian. He died when she was 7 years old and he was 70ish and her mother was 50ish. She and her brother were the product of a 3rd marriage for her father and 2nd for her mother. They had been widowed every time. They have brothers and sisters, some of whom are still alive, that when questioned about their Indian heritage completely disavow any knowledge and are quick to say...no, no. It is so strange and so difficult to get at the complete truth....which one way or another I am going to really try to do on all sides of the family. I will send you shortly all of the information that I have on our family so that you might add it to yours and perhaps there will be more revealed as we go along. It is so special to find out as much as I have. I have felt especially 'visited' by the spirit of my ggg grandmother "Patsy" Frances Lucretia Lott Hatten for some reason. I do so feel she has been leading me to find more. I had such tearful joy when I found her and her family on your registry. It was such a tremendous experience for me and I cannot wait to share it with my mother.
My mother is (Ethel) LaVerne Slaughter Myrick born March 20, 1930 to Ethel Hatten Womack Slaughter and Louis Slaughter in or around Forest, Louisiana. Her parents were Cicero and Della Jones Hatten. Cicero was the son of Lawrence Hatten who died as a Confederate Soldier in a Union Prisoner of War Camp in Illinois or Ohio, I forget, my mother has that information, and was wounded and captured in the Battle of Nashville after fighting in the Battle of Franklin in Tennessee. He was one of the many children of Frances Lucretia and William Hatten. She died in childbirth with her last child after they had moved to Louisiana where William became the first coroner of Winn Parrish, Louisiana. William later remarried and had several other children. All of which I have more detailed information which I will send to you later. I do have a small article from a Winn Parrish, La. newspaper regarding Pressley Hatten, William's brother, who ritualistically practiced 'cleaning of ancestral bones' at his farm apparently which was looked on by the white community as being very strange and deviant behavior but from what I have read is something very spiritual in the Indian community which is practiced by either the Chief, 'Medicine Man,' spiritual leader, etc.. Perhaps you have more information on this. I will get a copy of this article from my mother and send it to you. My mother is called LaVerne Slaughter Myrick...the Ethel part she only found out about recently....apparently after a home birth her father, unbeknownst to her mother, went to town and recorded her name as Ethel LaVerne....obviously, the Ethel part after my grandmother who hated her name.....and my mother was completely unaware until she applied for her first passport when she was approximately 50 or 55 years old...something like that. Once again, I do so very much thank you and I will be in touch with this other information soon for addition to your listings.
Bellinda Gail Myrick Barnett (born July 13, 1948, Oak Grove, Louisiana to (Ethel) LaVerne Myrick and Billy Earl Myrick) married December 30, 1975 in Reno, Nevada to Thomas Henry Barnett, III (born May 4, 1946 in Austin, Texas to Thomas Henry Shadrick (Shedrick??) Barnett, Jr. (Macon, Georgia) and Virginia Mary Owens (Indiana) .....children: (son) Thomas Henry Barnett, IV, born January 22, 1987 in Austin, Texas and (son) Beaudry Spencer Myrick Barnett, born August 11, 1989 in Newport Beach, California (named after my uncle William Spencer Myrick, Louisiana Senator and Congressman and Insurance Commissioner....brother of my father who began his political career with Louisiana Governor Huey Long and he and my father at one point worked for Governor Earl Long. My father began his country music/bluegrass music career with Bill Monroe and the Bluegrass Boys and had his group Bill Myrick and the Mayfield Brothers and is talked about extensively in wonderful book "PRAIRIE NIGHTS TO NEON LIGHTS" by Joe Carr and Alan Munde from Texas Tech press....wonderful about music business influences out of West Texas and Panhandle. Certainly no big deal but just info for the pages, I was Miss Texas 1970-71 after being Miss West Texas and 1st runner up to Phyllis George who one month later won Miss America so I took over and Phyllis told Miss America people I was harder to beat than anyone at Miss America so they invited me to be one of 6 Miss America contestant state winners to go with Miss America to Viet Nam on Miss America U.S.O. Show....only other actual non-competitor at Atlantic City to be asked to do this was Betty Buckley who was a 3rd runner up at Miss Texas a few years before and then I went on to do lots of shows opening for Bob Hope, Willie Nelso, Red Skelton, Roger Miller, etc....that's all for now. Got to pick up kids at school .
Subj: RE: Thomas P. C. Lott
Date: 10/25/98 12:18:22 AM Central Standard Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Joseph Lott)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com ('email@example.com')
We show that Robert and TPC are sons of Jesse who is the son of Solomon (brother to Arthur "killed by Indians")
John believes they are the sons of William who is the son of Arthur "killed by Indians".
What's your view on this?
Subj: Re: Thomas P. C. Lott
Date: 10/25/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Joe, my thinking comes from the work of our member Bill Moore. He had TCP Lott as William's son because he was adm of estate after Killrenia died. Also TCP seemed to live in Marion Co. as he appeared in 1830s deed records along with wife Christian Stewart. Bill did not have a birth date for TPC, however, and assumed he was son of Wm and Killrenia Jenkins. But TPC was born in GA before Wm came to MS so he had to have been from an earlier marriage if son of Wm Lott.
Also, were any of Solomon's sons in Marion Co.? I can't seem to find any there and thought they stayed in Hancock, Hinds, and Leake, but not sure. I also don't show a son Jesse for Solomon. Could you send me a list of your view for Solomon?
TPC and a Robert (b 1805) were in Goliad Co., TX in 1850. According to Bill Moore, Dr. Arthur Jenkins Lott buried a child in Victoria, Texas, in the 1850s and I assume he was there with TPC (his half brother?).
I think we're making some progress on these folks after all. I've added a bunch more events to my timeline and feel like I'm starting to understand the Marion Co. Lott men better. That might be foolhardy thinking, however, with this unbelievable enigma of a family.
Subj: Re: Barron/Lott marriage
Date: 10/25/98 11:29:38 AM Central Standard Time
From: email@example.com (Merle Bellmer)
To: email@example.com
Hi John,
Aaron Burr Lott is into "my" Lott line now. (He is not my direct ancestor, but a nephew of my direct ancestor.) I have been working, with another Lott cousin, diligently on Aaron Burr Lott and his parents and sibs. I have his Confederate Pension file, and it is the source of some of the dates I use. Aaron Burr Lott was the son of Toliver (also found "Thos") on the 1850 census Yalobusha Co. MS. Toliver was the son of Aaron Lott, Sr. b. 1779, married to Martha, from Fairfield Co. SC. Aaron, Sr. was the patriarch of the "clan" that went to AL and on to Carroll Co. MS.
You listed some sources in Parker Co. TX---their gen. publication. That is the county in which my Lott line lived, and indeed where I was born. Some descendants still live there, I believe.
In a prior, recent e-mail someone asked about Trent Lott's connection. He descends from Andrew Lott, who married Jane Russell, and was a son of Martha and Aaron Lott, Sr.
Here are descendants of Toliver Lott; his son Aaron Burr Lott and Mary Almira Barron, according to my records.
Hope it helps,
Descendants of Toliver/Taliaferro W. Lott
Generation No. 1
1. Toliver/Taliaferro W.4 Lott (Aaron A.3, John2, Unknown1) was born 1814 in Fairfield County South Carolina, and died in Yalobusha County, Mississippi. He married Unknown Bef. 1834.
Children of Toliver/Taliaferro Lott and Unknown are:
2 i. John5 Lott, born 1834 in Alabama.
3 ii. Andrew Jackson Lott, born 1836 in Mobile, Alabama; died February 22, 1921 in San Antonio, Bexar County Texas. He married Nellie.
4 iii. James Lott, born 1838 in Carroll County Mississippi.
5 iv. Lavista Lott, born 1839 in Carroll County Mississippi.
+ 6 v. Esther Elizabeth Lott, born 1841.
+ 7 vi. Aaron Burr Lott, born July 27, 1842 in Carroll County Mississippi; died April 17, 1900 in Osage, Coryell County Texas.
8 vii. Joseph Lott, born 1845 in Carroll County Mississippi.
9 viii. William Lott, born 1848 in Carroll County Mississippi.
Generation No. 2
6. Esther Elizabeth5 Lott (Toliver/Taliaferro W.4, Aaron A.3, John2, Unknown1) was born 1841. She married Davis Tonahill January 8, 1860 in Carroll County Mississippi.
Child of Esther Lott and Davis Tonahill is:
10 i. Mary Luvisa6 Tonnahill, born Abt. 1865. She married William Johnson Beck January 1, 1884 in Whitney, Hill County Texas.
7. Aaron Burr5 Lott (Toliver/Taliaferro W.4, Aaron A.3, John2, Unknown1) was born July 27, 1842 in Carroll County Mississippi, and died April 17, 1900 in Osage, Coryell County Texas. He married Mary Almira Barron May 3, 1865 in Carroll County Mississippi, daughter of Henry Barron and Sarah Callaway.
Children of Aaron Lott and Mary Barron are:
11 i. Daez (Daisey?)6 Lott, born 1866 in Carroll County Mississipi.
12 ii. Laura Lott, born 1868 in Carroll County Mississipi.
13 iii. Mollie J. Lott, born April 6, 1874 in Carroll County Mississippi; died July 14, 1933 in Dallas, Dallas County Texas, buried in Osage, Coryell County Texas. She married Edgar Eddington Sadler Abt. 1894 in Texas.
14 iv. Dora Easter Lott, born Abt. 1877 in Carroll County Mississippi. She married Jim Whitlock Abt. 1896 in Texas (?).
Descendants of Mary Almira Barron
Generation No. 1
1. Mary Almira2 Barron (Henry1) was born April 26, 1838 in Barbour County Alabama, and died November 8, 1923 in Osage, Coryell County Texas. She married (1) William Littleton Johnson Beck May 3, 1855 in Spearsville, Union Parish Louisiana, son of Mathew Beck and Elizabeth Kennedy. She married (2) Aaron Burr Lott May 3, 1865 in Carroll County Mississippi, son of Toliver/Taliaferro Lott and Unknown.
Children of Mary Barron and William Beck are:
2 i. Sarah C.3 Beck, born 1856 in Carroll County Mississippi.
3 ii. Martha A. Beck, born 1858 in Carroll County Mississippi. She married Robert D. Aiken 1875 in Carroll County Mississippi.
4 iii. William Johnson Beck, born February 22, 1860; died June 7, 1947 in Amarillo, Texas. He married Mary Luvisa Tonnahill January 1, 1884 in Whitney, Hill County Texas.
5 iv. Henry Littleton Beck, born July 14, 1862 in Carroll County Mississippi; died September 16, 1944 in Texas.
Children of Mary Barron and Aaron Lott are:
6 i. Daez (Daisey?)3 Lott, born 1866 in Carroll County Mississipi.
7 ii. Laura Lott, born 1868 in Carroll County Mississipi.
+ 8 iii. Mollie J. Lott, born April 6, 1874 in Carroll County Mississippi; died July 14, 1933 in Dallas, Dallas County Texas, buried in Osage, Coryell County Texas.
9 iv. Dora Easter Lott, born Abt. 1877 in Carroll County Mississippi. She married Jim Whitlock Abt. 1896 in Texas (?).
Generation No. 2
8. Mollie J.3 Lott (Mary Almira2 Barron, Henry1) was born April 6, 1874 in Carroll County Mississippi, and died July 14, 1933 in Dallas, Dallas County Texas, buried in Osage, Coryell County Texas. She married Edgar Eddington Sadler Abt. 1894 in Texas.
Children of Mollie Lott and Edgar Sadler are:
10 i. Rebecca Chisholm4 Sadler, born September 14, 1894; died February 1 1987 in Brewton, Alabama. She married Edward Seward.
11 ii. Ira Bradford Sadler, born 1896 in Coryell County Texas. He married Lillian Unknown.
Subj: Lott family in Mississippi
Date: 10/29/98 10:17:32 PM Central Standard Time
From: R2296
To: JBarron933
Can you connect me with a line of Lotts through my grandfather. His name was Haywood Lott of Stewart, MS. Thanks, Karen Young.
Subj: Re: Statement by John A. Lott
Date: 10/29/98
To: Pinstride
In a message dated 10/29/98 12:19:32 PM Central Standard Time, Pinstride writes:
<< I have noticed that a lot of folks are putting a lot of stock into the statement that John A. Lott wrote in Smith County, stating that he knew the Watts family and ect,. He states that Thomas Watts wife, Elizabeth Watts, was a daughter of Arthur Lott. >>
If you will check my web page under the "Indian Claims" section by clicking on the following John Barron's Home Page it will be clear that the infamous "Affidavit" associated with John A. Lott did not originate with him. It was instead sent to him by his cousin, Absalom L. Watts, and found by my daughter in 1980 in the Smith Co., TX, probate packet of Elbert Watts. Lott surely knew this was a bogus document and, as was stated, did not sign it. A real affidavit was signed, dated, and notarized.
John A. Lott certainly did know the Watts family or at least his grandmother Elizabeth Watts, sister of the above Absalom L. and wife of Arthur Lott of Smith Co. John probably did not know Absalom Watts as he left Smith Co. in the mid-1850s, but surely knew his grandmother as she lived into the 1860s.
The above "affidavit" is simply one of hundreds that I have seen where you have people swearing to events that allegedly happened before they were born and to persons long dead. These should be viewed with extreme caution and skepticism. In this case it was an attempt to obtain land in Oklahoma by claiming to be of Indian descent for Absalom Watt's grandchildren. Anyone putting any faith into these self serving documents is merely fooling themselves and falling into a trap of wishful thinking. We should concentrate on real evidence and label this stuff for what it is: hearsay.
John C. Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Watts/Lott Genealogy
Date: 11/1/98 2:29:19 AM Central Standard Time
From: email@example.com (Harlan & Frances Camp)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
I was looking on the internet and found that you have done a great deal of research on the Watt/Lott family tree. I am one of those too, however I have only begun.
I have found that I am related to the Arthur Lott line. He was born in 1750 in MS..He married Sarah Ann Clapp. Their daughter Patience Lott married William Watts in MS.-I have a copy of a Watts Bible that was kept by my grandfather Arthur T.Watts, who married Fannie E. Marsh.
I am very much interested in any information you can give me ,other than what I have.I'll be happy to share what I have with you, if you like. Some of the info that was recorded on your records, differs or is not clear to me. The first thing is: Do you know for sure that William Watts born in GA.1800,died in Covington Co. MS>?Do you know where he is buried? This very important to me, because I have different info.
Thank you for your time. I hope to continue to correspond with you.
Sincerely, Harlan & Frances Camp
Subj: Re: Watts/Lott Genealogy
Date: 11/1/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 11/1/98 2:29:19 AM Central Standard Time, email@example.com writes:
<< Do you know for sure that William Watts born in GA.1800,died in Covington Co. MS>?Do you know where he is buried? This very important to me, because I have different info. >>
I have put your name on our Lott Circle of 30+ on-line researchers. Let me know if that is not ok. We store our results on my web page which I think you have already seen.
If you are new to genealogy you will soon learn that nothing is ever for SURE in genealogy particularly in dealing with the enigmatic Lott/Watts families. You are dealing with conclusions made from examination of evidence. Those conclusions are never 100% or seldom 80% and change as new data is discovered and evaluated. You will notice I never use the word "proof" in conjunction with genealogy as it is an unfortunate misnomer that has become ingrained in the language and causes much trouble.
To answer your question, however, the only information that I have on this couple is from census data and from the family group sheets of Sue Miklas, ace Lott/Watts researcher who is a member of our circle. Patience Lott Watts was on the 1850 census of Covington Co., MS, age 40 with a family and no husband. This is a signal that she was a widow, but it's not infallible evidence. It is possible that William Watts simply left the family, was in California, or for any of a dozen reasons was not listed. If you have evidence of William that differs I would love to get it and add it to the web page and share it with the Lott Circle.
As to his birth year it is an estimate from census data too. A Bible record would be great, but they never show locations. He was surely born in Georgia, however, as his father Thomas Watts was living in Montgomery Co., GA, at least as early as 1798 when he gave testimony concerning Indian depredations.
Thanks so much for your message. I hope you can fill some empty spaces on the family and I would love to hear from y'all.
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Lotts
Date: 11/2/98 8:42:58 PM Central Standard Time
From: J I CJ 134
To: JBarron933
I had a lady write me wanting information on Tennessee Lott's. Was wondering if you or any of the other members have any. She got my address from my father so don't know if she has a email or not if she does I'd like to give her yours like i do everyone else looking for Lott's. Hope you don't mind. She also wanted information on a Anna Susan Lott who married a John M Henry. Have you ever heard of her. Elisha Lott is suppose to be a uncle. She also asked about another Lott but not sure would because I can't read the writing but I think it says Sol. J. Lott who is a brother or uncle to Anna. But my father said she was looking for information on a Solomon Lott when she called him. Does any of this ring a bell with you.
Iva Lott Johnson
P.S. When I write her back I'll find out about the email
Subj: Re: Lotts
Date: 11/2/98
To: J I CJ 134
This was an Anna Lott born c1855 who was the daughter of John James Lott of Smith Co., TX. He was a brother of Elisha E. and Solomon J. Lott so this fit right with this group. Gerald Gallagher has been researching them. <What do you say Gerald?> The Tennessee part does not fit although they are grandsons of Solomon Lott who seemed to be the only son of John of Edgecombe who spent any time in TN.
Subj: Re: Watts/Lott Genealogy
Date: 11/3/98 12:36:27 AM Central Standard Time
From: email@example.com (Harlan & Frances Camp)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Thanks for answering my e-mail. Yes,I am a new-commer to Lott/Watts circle and I am just thrilled to know that I am not alone out there.I really can't add a whole lot to the info,like I said,just what is is the old Bible.
William Watts ,according to Bible was born in 1800 in Ga.(they did not say where).I have a copy of the marriage license of William Watts/Patience Lott,dated,Sept.24,1825 in Marion Co.Miss..
William's oldest son Albert Watts b.Dec.19,1826 ,was my G-Grandfather.(in Marion Co.Ms.)He moved to Texas and died here in 1906.He is buried like all the rest of the Watts',(in my line) at the Bold Springs Cemetary, Livingston, Texas.
I told you before that according to my records, William died in 1844 in Harrison County, Texas around Jefferson ,I suppose. I have not been able to prove anything about this, but with your help and the other family connections, hopefully I'll find some answers.
By the way, is there a Lott/Watts history written so that I can get a copy? I am interested in getting into the DAR, if possible through these connections. From the info that I have read, I think this is possible. If anyone can help me with this I'd be thankful.
According to some info that I received from Marshall, Texas. there is a Mr. John Page, who has some info about the Lotts/Watts.I believe he lives in Longview, Tx.,but I have been able to contact him. If anyone knows him or any anything about this ,please let me know. He may be able to answer my questions.
Thanks again. Hope to hear from you soon.
Harlan & Frances Camp
Subj: Hudson/Watts/Williams
Date: 11/3/98 12:57:33 AM Central Standard Time
From: GPAKT
To: JBarron933
I've just spent a big part of my computer time at your Watts Website thanks to someone who posted the link on one of my mailing lists. Thank you so much for putting all of it together for others to enjoy.
My interest is twofold. First, I am descended from John Rayborn and Mary Ann Herrin. Everyone seems to think that John was the son of Mark Rayborn and Rhoda Watts. (Incidentally, they married in Lawrence County August 13, 1818.)
My grandmother and a couple of my aunts insist that John came to MS from IL. My grandmother says that this was the story told by Argainie Rayborn Aultman, who was daughter of John Rayborn and Abigail Messer. She says that John was Mark's nephew. Have you any thoughts on that subject?
Second, John and Abigail Messer Rayborn's son John Henry married Martha Elizabeth Williams, daughter of Jasper Williams and Lavinia Hudson, who were married in Marion County. Lavinia lived to be almost 100 years old. NO ONE in this family of folks who take great pride in knowing who is kin to who and how and in passing that information along knows who Lavinia's family was. The marriage license gave her maiden name as Hudson. I've been hunting Hudsons for years with no luck. Last week I finally figured out Soundex enough to look at the 1900 and 1910 census records for the Jasper Williams family, and discovered that living with Jasper and Lavinia Hudson Williams is a woman named Elizabeth WATTS, mother in law of Jasper Williams. Have you run across this bunch in your studies?
Again, thank you for publishing your information on the web for others to enjoy!
Pam Gibbs
Subj: LOTTS in Smith Co. TX
Date: 11/4/98 3:50:16 AM Central Standard Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Cara Murray)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
I found the following LOTT families on the 1850 Smith Co. TX Census:
Absalom LOTT 37 M Farmer Mississippi
Canzada LOTT 35 F Mississippi
Absalom LOTT 12 M Mississippi
Margaret LOTT 10 F Texas
Catherine LOTT 8 F Texas
Mary J. LOTT 4 F Texas
Elisha E. LOTT 30 M Farmer Mississippi
Mary A. LOTT 27 F Mississippi
William M. LOTT 9 M Texas
Arthur LOTT 7 M Texas
Elisha LOTT 4 M Texas
Mary Ann LOTT 8 F Texas
Solomon LOTT 28 M Farmer Mississippi
Martha LOTT 20 F Mississippi
Martha A. LOTT 3 F Texas
Elizabeth LOTT 1 F Texas
Arthur LOTT 62 M Farmer Georgia
Elizabeth LOTT 42 F Georgia
Elizabeth LOTT 19 F Mississippi
Adaline LOTT 18 F Mississippi
Rebecca LOTT 5 F Texas
Nancy A. LOTT 5m F Texas
Abraham LOTT 39 M Georgia
Nancy LOTT 23 F Mississippi
Rebecca LOTT 4 F Texas
Nancy E. LOTT 1 F Texas
Please let me know if anyone has any information on the Absalom/Canzada Lott and the Abraham/Nancy Lott families. I don't have these in my records. Thanks.
Cara A. Murray
Ft. Lewis, Wa
Subj: Re: LOTTS in Smith Co. TX
Date: 11/5/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Cara, one of the Lott circle members, Sue Cain, is a descendant of Absalom Lott and Canzada Burt. He is a son of Luke Lott of Marion Co., MS. She can provide you with considerable info on them after the came to the Rep of Texas.
Please check the paper on my web page for information on Abraham Lott. I believe that he was a son of my ancestor, Arthur Lott of Smith Co., by an unknown early wife. I cannot locate him after about 1854, however, and he may have died. He seemed to be something of a rounder and my have skipped. His children were raised by relatives.
The Elisha and Solomon that you show are brothers and sons of John Lott from Harrison Co., TX. This John was a son of Solomon Lott.
John Barron
Subj: Re: Watts/Lott Genealogy
Date: 11/5/98
To: email@example.com
In a message dated 11/3/98 12:36:27 AM Central Standard Time, email@example.com writes:
<< I told you before that according to my records,William died in 1844 in Harrison County,Texas around Jefferson ,I suppose.I have not been able to
prove anything about this,but with your help and the other family connections,hopefully I'll find some answers. >>>>>>>
That would be hard to determine since so few records exist in the county for Rep of Texas time (courthouse burned several times). One way might be the tax rolls which do exist at the state level. I will try to check into that to see if William Watts was there at that time. If he was and his taxes were suddenly being paid by someone else (especially his wife than that is a sure signal of death. Also if he received a land grant as did his father and Lott kin.
<<<< By the way, is there a Lott/Watts history written so that I can get a copy?I am interested in getting into the DAR,if possible through these connections.From the info that I have read,I think this is possible.If anyone can help me with this I'd be thankful.>>>>>>>>>>>
There are some genealogies written, but I wouldn't bother with them; all just repeat family legendary information and rehash old data. The oldest one concerns northerners and does not include the southern Lotts. A recent one by Paulk has been referred to by some of my correspondents, but it does not contain the new information that we are working on in the Lott Circle.
The non-critical acceptance of the Lott family by the DAR is one of my pet peeves. Frances Smith Blitch entered the DAR in 1960 on John Lott "Jr" giving only the most evasive of evidence. These records have been trumpeted worldwide until they have become so ingrained that they can never be expunged and/or corrected. The problem is that, for the most part, the Lott family were Tories during the Rev. War and supported the British side. When the war started they moved to what is now MS but then was known as West Florida. Only one is known to have participated on the American side, William Lott, who stayed in South Carolina. Their political beliefs are immaterial, but I would like to set the record straight. You might contact our member, Sue Miklas, about the Watts family and the DAR.
<<<<<< According to some info that I received from Marshall,Texas.there is a Mr.John Page,who has some info about the Lotts/Watts.I believe he lives in Longview,Tx.,but I have been able to contact him.If anyone knows him or any anything about this ,please let me know.He may be able to answer my questions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I believe that you are referring to Wayne Page. Be very skeptical about anything that you get from him and treat it only as clues. He will not provide you with any sources of his information. Our group, The Lott Circle, is on the cutting edge of research and if you stay with us we will always provide sources of information and identify what are conclusions and why and what is the evidence from which those conclusions are drawn.
John C. Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Re: Watts/Lott Genealogy
Date: 11/6/98 1:35:49 AM Central Standard Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Harlan & Frances Camp)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Thanks for setting me straight about the Page family.I won't bother to contact them,if you think their info is really not conclusive.According to some info that was in the Longview Genealogy Reading room(which is very well set-up) .I copied a page that has the Watts Family listed,but it doesn't have any dates!
It says:
Watts Family
I.John A.Watts m.Judith Rawls
II.son:Thomas Watts m.Elizabeth Lott(Daughter of Arthur Lott Jr.)
1.Elizabeth Watts m.Arthur Lott Jr.
(Children,see Lott Sheet) ---I did not find this!
2.Bartleh S.Watts:m.Dicy
3.Absalom L.Watts:m.Celiz Aultman
4.William Watts:m.Patience Lott
IV.Absalom L.Watts & Celiz:son:Elbert Watts
V.Bartheh Watts children(4).
1.Whitson Watts 2.Margaret Watts 3.Sarah Watts 4.Thomas Watts
I don't know if Much of this is correct.I do know however that William Watts married Patience Lott in Ms.
I also found in 1854 on the Smith County Probate Records,that an Arthur Lott ,dec'd,1/.22/1854 .Heirs(l856):Elizabreth Smith,surv.wf.,John James andPatience A lott,Cowan &Elizabeth McClug,John & Sarah Page,Elisha E.Lott in right of minor children and self as heirs of Mary Ann Lott dec'd,S<J>&Martha Ann Lott,all of Smith County etc.
This may help someone to find a missing link.Hope so. As you can see,there are so---many Elizabeths and Thomases,Williams,& Arthurs,it really gonna be hard to sort them all out,without any dates much,
Thanks for all of your help.
Sincerely, Harlan & Frances Camp
Subj: Lotts
Date: 11/6/98 6:27:26 PM Central Standard Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Dale Walton)
To: email@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.com
I noticed your entries in John Barren's page and offer this information as a possible tie:
Information passed down in my family is that an Aaron Lott Sr. lived in Carroll County, MS with his wife Martha in 1850 and that both were listed in that year's census there as aga 70 and born in SC. Their son, Aaron Lott Jr., 44, also lived there with his wife Margaret, 43, and six children.
One of their children was James Benjamin Lott, my great-grandfather, born in Mississippi., He married Nancy Anne Smith, daughter of William Calvin Smith.( Much of the information passed along in our family had come from her niece, Edna Booth Smith Farrington). James Benjamin and Nancy had, apparently, nine children. One of those was Mattie Lee Lott, my grandmother.
The James Benjamin Lott family moved to Denton County, TX, in 1870, along with the Capt. Henry Hardin Smith family, driving in ox wagons for several weeks. The Ben Lott family settled on the "G. N. Lott farm" just south of Lewisville, TX. I'm not sure who G. N. Lott was.
If this seems to tie with anything you have, I'd like to hear from you.
Dale Walton in Tucson
Subj: Re: [Fwd: Abraham Lott's mother]
Date: 11/6/98
To: email@example.com
That is Iva's e-mail address alright. Don't know why she wouldn't get it. Also, I didn't get your message concerning the Arthur Lott-Mary Triplett marriage. I have gone over it, however, in the latest revision of my paper on the web page concerning Arthur Lott being the father of Abraham and Absalom. I have discovered that there was an Arthur Lott in Jefferson Co., GA, in the 1820 census. So I guess this pretty much rules him out as our Arthur. There was just too many of them!
Also the Arthur Lott who married Sarah Sones in Marion Co. about 1816 was not ours. Her father died in the mid-1820's and Arthur was named administrator. Our Arthur was already married to Elizabeth Watts by then. I think the Arthur who married Sarah Sones was the same one who went to Florida about 1826 and came back to Marion Co. a few years later and married Harried Whiddon. This couple went almost immediately to Texas where he died about 1846.
Subj: Re: Carroll Watts research papers
Date: 11/7/98 4:26:58 PM Central Standard Time
From: email@example.com (GARY LOTT)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
CC: email@example.com
Subj: Lotts in TX
Date: 11/8/98 1:14:11 PM Central Standard Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Merle Bellmer)
To: email@example.com
I have a number of TX Confederate Pension files for LOTTS, and I believe that the Lotts you found in the 1860's in Fairfield, Freestone Co. TX are indeed some of the descendants of Aaron Lott, Sr. of Carroll Co. MS. One pension record was an application made by the widow of TELFORD LOTT, in Fairfield, Freestone Co. TX, Aug. 5, 1909. I believe Telford (sometimes found Talford) was the son of Vail Jackson Lott, (son of Aaron Lott, Sr. and Martha).
Another pension file was for the widow of JOHN T. LOTT, whom I believe to be a brother of Telford. This was also in Freestone Co. TX.
Still other pension records are for a Lott in Osage, Coryell Co. and in San Antonio, Bexar Co. for the service of two men that I believe to be sons of TOLIVER LOTT.
Now for Denton Co. TX. That is the county to which at least two of Aaron Lott, Jr.'s sons brought their families in the early 1870's (according to the states of birth of their children). So I suspect that a lot of the Lotts in that county could be descendants of those lines. Some of the male descendants lived in Denton Co. until their deaths.
There is one more pension record and death certificate for a Lott that I THOUGHT was part of the Carroll Co. MS bunch, but after getting his death certificate, I see he probably was NOT. His name was JAMES T. LOTT, b. May 30, 1845, GA, to Robert and Susie Behn (or Behm or Behin---written over). The informant on the death certificate was Mrs. Walter Mobley, Navasota, TX. James died Feb. 22, 1934 in Navosota. (Maybe someone in the circle is looking for this man.)
For Melicent's comment about the cowboys and cowgirls in TX-----When I was a little girl, living in TX, I thought the WEST was where the cowboys were, but I didn't think we were FAR ENOUGH west to see the cowboys, because I didn't see any. Amazing how young minds worked.
Subj: Re: Lotts in TX
Date: 11/8/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Great work, Dot. I think this will help a lot of folks. The James T. Lott was a son of Robert A. Lott of Washington Co., TX, and early Texas. His wife's name has always intrigued me: Behn. If that's not German (at least spelled like that) I don't know what it is. I always thought it may really have been Bean. They were supposedly married in Jackson Co., Florida Terr in 1828. Now what's the chance that a German family was there at that time? The spelling that I've seen came from the "mug book" from Grimes Co., TX, so I was naturally suspicions of it anyway, but if it was in a death certificate in 1934 that's somewhat different. Of course, anything on a death certificate pertaining to birth, parents, etc. is hear-say as we all know. But it's a good clue.
I never thought about whether Texas is a western or southern state until a few years ago. We hired a young fellow from Detroit and in talking with him I said that Austin was the most liberal city in the south. He was shocked to think that Texas was considered a southern state and not a western state (at least by me). It's clear to me that it is southern, however, when you realize that it was settled almost exclusively by southerners except for the area north of Dallas which was mainly settled by persons of southern origin who had been in the mid-western states for a generation or so. Interesting aspect and useful to us as genealogists.
Subj: Re: Lotts
Date: 11/8/98
To: email@example.com
Dale, thanks for your message and information. I have added you to our Lott Circle mailing list of 50+ researchers if that's ok. We've had quite a few messages on the Aaron Lott ancestry lately and maybe with your help we can figure it out.
Also thanks for the Denton Co., TX, info. There were apparently two groups there: 1) the people that you mentioned, and 2) the widow and children of E. E. Lott from Smith Co., TX. I will try to devote some time to them in the near future. I have recently extracted the 1900 Texas soundex entries for Lott and found even more in Denton that I didn't recognize.
More later, John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Douglas Newspaper
Date: 11/9/98
To: email@example.com
I'm writing to determine if there are old newspapers (from the 1950s) available from Douglas, GA. My reason for asking is that I am trying to find a listing for the Mark Lott Bible that was supposed to be published in a Douglas paper about 1953. It was used for evidence by Mrs. Frances Blitch in her application for membership in the DAR in 1960.
It's possible that you may also have a file on the Lott family from your area that would include this Bible listing. If so a copy of it would be fine. Please let me hear from you when you have time.
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Re: Rawls surname
Date: 11/11/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 11/11/98 6:38:47 AM Central Standard Time, firstname.lastname@example.com writes:
<< I'm afraid to say that I don't have any other evidence about Judith Rawls. >>
I finally realized the same after Sue Miklas read the riot act to me and have modified my files to say something like "surname possibly Rawls" from traditional sources.
Subj: More about Lott's
Date: 11/13/98 7:15:36 PM Central Standard Time
From: Fiero phil
To: JBarron933
Hi Mr. Barron: I contacted you recently about finding lots of unanswered questions because I lacked the correct key to start my family root-tracing journey.
Since I last talked with you I've completed a bit of detective work, traced down a couple of cousins and really come up with what I hope will be absolute jewels. For me anyways.
My Fathers name was Hugh Lott and he lived in Columbus, GA and he died in FL. When I started searching I found his SS# and little else. However, when I talked with several cousins found that my Grandparents were Wiley and Mary Ann Newman Lott.
I was born to my father after he was past 45 years old. So I never new any of my relatives except a couple of aunts and cousins. I remember hearing one particular aunt tell me about all the hardships the family went through before setteling around the Columbus, GA. area. Seems like my grandpa lived in S. Ga. and had itchy feet. He had no intentions of sitting around and waiting for whatever his inheritance was going to be from his parents land. So he partitioned his parents to give him an equal share of money and he struck out on his own. Along his travels he dragged a wife and several small children through S. GA., FL and who knows where else. Finally in the early nineteen teens or twentys he settled around Columbus. What complicates my looking efforts is the fact that my "pa" seemed to be rather a rake. He met, married and buried several 2-3 wives along the way.
The reason for telling you that humorous bit is this. Until I made several phone calls to locate long lost cousins I had absolutely no documentations. This story is a memory from my childhood because I would sit and my elderly aunts would comb my hair and tell me how they were brought up the hard way. Poor as church mice, living during the depression and adding into the step-motherly horrors.
What I found yesterday is that one of my cousins before he died recorded one of my aunts (the ones who recanted the story to me as a child) [this aunt was my fathers full sister and the recorders mother]. Now that my cousin is dead his two sons, widow and I am going to recover this information. When we get it all straightened out I'll share the facts with you and you can share with all the other Lotts that are on your information list.
I had no idea that facts would get so tangled up with such a small (I thought) family. Seems like the root network of Lotts are tangled into a maddening web that may take lots of research to find truthful connections. I wish to add any factual information that I find along the way. So if you will accept my input I'll gladly keep in touch.
Thank you for your contributions.Regards Gloria-Lott-Wright PhD
Subj: Re: Lott Family follow-up
Date: 11/25/98
To: Fiero phil
Gloria, thanks for your message concerning the Lott family. I'll route it to the circle for additional comments. As an author myself, I am sensitive to copyright restrictions and try not to violate them. Therefore on your request for materials I will answer as follows:
1. The Gloria Lott manuscript
Hilton and Gloria Lott have each written manuscripts concerning the Lott family. I have old drafts of them only. Why don't you contact them at the following and report back to the group how they are doing and if they have newer drafts available.
Lott, Hilton W
10249 Coachella Canal Rd Apt 2,
Niland, CA 92257-9700
2. The Daniel L. Lott manuscript
Dan Lott is a member of our group and you need to contact him about his works. His e-mail is as follows: email@example.com (Dan Lott). He may be out of the country so be patient.
3. Where do I locate this Lott Newsletter? Get copies?
These are copyrighted materials that I am not at liberty to copy. They are dated from the mid 1980s and are the work of Carroll McElligott Ainsworth. I don't know her present whereabouts but would love to contact her. They lived in South Carolina in the 1980s. I subscribed to the quarterlies when they were coming out and have all 6 volumes. They are available from many large genealogy libraries and perhaps you can get them on interlibrary loan.
4. How do I get a copy of the DAR doc?
If you know someone who is in the DAR, they can request this documentation from the Washington D.C. headquarters. I am not at liberty to copy them as that is part of the implicit agreement of a request.
Subj: Joshua Lott
Date: 11/25/98
To: email@example.com
Susie, I saw your query on the Lott Genforum concerning Joshua. I moderate a group of on-line researchers called the Lott Circle who study the southern Lott family and would like to invite you to join our group. Let me know. We store our results on my web page which can be accessed at the following: John Barron's Home Page
Our current thinking is that the Joshua Lott in the Rev. War was a son of John Lott who came to St. George's Par. in 1764 from Duplin Co., NC. See my descendant chart on John Lott on the web page (although Joshua is not shown on it as yet). You show a Joshua b. 1775 SC coming to MS c1816. Do you think your Joshua is a son of the Rev. War Joshua?
I've followed this family in Texas to some extent till 1880. Do you have more on him that you can share with the group?
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Chief Lott?
Date: 11/28/98 11:50:39 AM Central Standard Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Sandra T. Casey)
In reference to the message below, this is the first time I have heard
another person refer to Chief Lott (Lot) who is also a legend or person in
my own family history. My grandfather, a Methodist minister, when he filled
out his mother, Beulah Jane McClung Evans' death certificate, told his
children that they were descended from a Chief Lot who married a white woman
and then was shot by his tribe. But he also did not fill in his
grandmother's name, Elizabeth Lott McClung (died in Kerens, Navarro Co.,
TX), nor where she was born. Also said he knew we would not have heard of
the Indian tribe. Many of us have wondered about the Indian ancestry! And
that's why I started genealogy research in the first place.
-----Original Message-----
Date: Thursday, November 26, 1998 8:30 PM
Subject: (no subject)
>Posted on the Lott GenForum by Donald Carlton Burns <email@example.com> on
>November 26, 1998 at 15:29:33:
>In Reply to: Frances Lucretia (Patsy) Lott posted by Dorothy Wheat on August
>03, 1998 at 09:49:39:
>My daughter, Hilary Hurns, called to inform me of this message this a.m. I
>believe she has e-mailed. Chief Lott, who signed the last treaty (Running
>Rabbit Creek) and who was assinated on his return from that signing, was my
>GGGG Grandfather. My Grandmother was named Lucretia Lott. Her husband was
>William Burns. They came from Jackson Parish, LAS, settled in Center, TX. I
>have some information which I will be happy to share. I would appreciae any
>information anyone else could provide. I'm unsure as to how to pose
>information for those inrterested, but I will try to figure this out.Francis
>Lucretia Lott, it would seem, was the sister of Chief Lott. Please establish
>an e-mail connection and we can share this information more fully.
>Don Burns
Subj: Re: Lott Family
Date: 11/29/98 2:56:18 PM Central Standard Time
From: email@example.com (donnie v. lott)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
I was told from my people that the Seals and the Lott came over the same time in MS together,and the census show that they live close together around MS. My gg-grandmother Liddy Seals,her father was Daniel Seals and her mother was Rebecca, Daniel Seals father was Charles Seale from Virgina, do you have any information furture about the seals. Yes I would like to be a part of your 50+ on-line researchers. Thank You Donnie Lott
Subj: Re: Lott Family
Date: 11/29/98
To: email@example.com
Donnie, I first picked up on the Seals from Solomon Lott's passport through the Creek Nation c1810. If you will look at my web page and find Solomon, son of John Lott, on the Descendant Chart of John Lott, you will see an abstract of this passport. I believe that it names his Seal son in law. I will see what else I can find on them in my Lott records.
John Barron
Subj: Re: Lott Circle
Date: 11/29/98 5:33:10 PM Central Standard Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (GARY LOTT)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com, email@example.com
ACCORDING TO CARROLL WATTS RESEARCH AND GRAVESTONES AT OLOH BAPTIST CHURCH JULIA A.(ANN) LOTT b. 1854 m. S.M. COLLINS OCT.26, 1871.
MARY P. LOTT b.1844 m. T. L. (TIDLEY) JONES NOV. 27, 1880 (CONSIDERING
THEY WERE CHILDREN OF NATHAN LOTT b. NOV. 26,1825 AND ELIZABETH (ELIZA)
POWELL b. FEB 12,1828
Subj: Re: Lott Family
Date: 11/30/98 5:32:52 PM Central Standard Time
From: BURNSDC
To: JBarron933
Thank you for the mail! Here is a sketch of what I have to get us started. I have to go through my file this evening and put the whole thing together better than this. But the key question is Chief Lott's Indian Name: Chook-Fa-Hithla-Bogue. At least this is what I have been given by my family in Texas. He reportedly was born in1800, married (name unknown to me) in 1822, dies in 1830 at Dancing Rabbit Cereek, MS. (I have a hand drawn map of the signing location made at the time.) A daughter, name not known to me, was born in 1825. She married a man whose name also was Lott in 1843. They had a son (perhaps others as well) W.H. "Bill" Lott, born 1850 married a woman in 1870 with the last name "Mathis", date and place of birth and death unknown. Bill Lott died in 1880. They had a daughter (probably other children as well) whose name was Lu Cretie Lott, born Sep 20, 1874, in Vernon Parish, LA, Died Jan 11, 1858, in Center, TX. She married my Grandfather, John Wilson Burns on an unknown date. John was born Sep 6,1867, in Vern Parish, LA, to James Knox Polk Burns and Betty Biggs.
My Grandfather was killed in a farm accident in Center, TX, in about 1902. My Grandmother subsequently married Rodophus D. Kounce.
My father, Gilbert Carlton Burns, was born in Aiken, TX, Apr 28, 1899 There were five other children by my Grandmother and Grandfather Burns. The oldest was James William, born In Vernon Parish, LA, Dec 26, 1890, died Dec 27, 1917.
If any of this fits with information in yourposetion, please let me know. This is very interesting research! Thank you for your help. I guess the big question is, did the Indian whose name I gave you above actually sign the treaty?
I look forward to hearing from you.
Donald Carlton Burns
Sacramento, CA
Subj: ALLSTON LOTT
Date: 12/1/98 4:12:31 PM Central Standard Time
From: email@example.com (Merle Bellmer)
Does anyone know anything about ALLSTON LOTT, who fought in the Civil War for the Confederates in the 23rd Inf., Co. A, Alabama? Interested to know his parents, residence (if any) after the war, etc.
Thanks, Dot
Subj: Lott info
Date: 12/3/98 9:05:45 PM Central Standard Time
From: Fiero phil
To: JBarron933
Hi, I contacted gloria lott as you suggested and they have a different phone number (760)354-1576. We talked for a while and agreed to meet sometime after the first of the year to compare notes, so to speak. She was astounded when I told her how I got her name. Says they are nearly through with their research.
I sent Dan Lott an e-mail. Now awaiting his reply.
Since talking with you I've found more that I thought I would ever find about my family. Seems that I have a very direct (7) connection with John Lott (1). However when talking with Mr. Paulk I'm not too sure that I know how to assimilate all the information that he postulates. He also says he is working on another lott book or two. Seems like he's continuing to find other info.
I've decided to write the DAR myself. Seems like it's the best thing to do. Thanks for the copyright warning. I too have spent years researching information to have someone else borrow my contents. We all need to learn more respect for others. Believe me my intent was not to duplicate work if possible, I guess so much for the easy way.
Thank you so much for you help. I have received several e-mails as a results of my posting on you page. Thanks gloria
Subj: Lott info
Date: 12/3/98
To: email@example.com
On the genforum you wrote the following:
If anyone can provide concrete information linking Geo. Herbert Lott to Arthur Lott, I would appreciate it.
Rick, on my web page is a link to a text file copy of a letter from the Indian Affairs Committee (Dawes Commission) which lists the children of Thomas Lott reported as descendants of Sarah Ann, widow of Arthur Lott. Whether you consider this evidence as "concrete" is up to you. These folks were trying to get free land in Oklahoma from the government by claiming to be of Indian descent and, therefore, I feel that the info about the last few generations would be relatively reliable. I don't believe for a minute, however, that they were of Indian descent. You can access the web page by clicking on the following: John Barron's Home Page . Please check it out.
I moderate an on-line mailing list known as the Lott Circle of over 50 researchers who study the southern Lott family. We store our results on my web page. Would you like to join our group?
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Re: Lott info
Date: 12/4/98 12:37:06 PM Central Standard Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Rick Lott)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
John, thanks much for the info. I enjoyed your web page. Was impressed by your scholarship. As an English prof. myself (at Arkansas State Unversity), I know well the hours of digging required. Yes, The Thomas Lott listed on the Dawes application has to be my great-grandfather. The children listed are my grandfather, George, and his siblings. The Simon C. Lott and wife Texanna are my great-uncle Sime and great-aunt Texanna. I vaguely recall meeting them in California when I was a very little boy. They were old, maybe 70's, then. He moved west in the 20's and homesteaded a section of fertile land; died rich. Left one daughter, as I recall. I was surprised by the Choctaw claim, since my grandpa always said he was a quarter Cherokee. I heard him tell several times the story of a government lawyer named William Lightfoot who contacted his father with the news that he was eligible to receive Cherokee land in Oklahoma (this would have been the early 1900's when the gov. was breaking up the Cherokee Nation). Grandpa said that his dad went to Pass Christian and took a train to OK, but didn't like it out there and declined the land, returning to Miss. That doesn't appear to square with the facts, however. Lightfoot, not an uncommon name along the Miss. Gulf Coast, may have been the lawyer the family hired in their attempt to claim Indian lands; and my great-grandfather may have--in our president's term--misrepresented the facts to his son. Or grandpa may have misremembered. He would have been just a child then. Anyway, this Indian question seems insuperable. Grandpa also said that his family gave the town of Columbia the land on which the courthouse was built. This seems pretty likely, given that the town was originally called Lott's Bluff.
My problem is which Thomas Lott was my great-grandfather? I suspect Thomas Watkins, b. 1944, Marion Co. MS. I know that my grandpa was the child of his dad's second marriage, and Thomas Watkins Lott's second wife was named Sarah ELIZABETH (Elizabeth was my grandpa's mother's name). The Lott's recycled names to a ridiculous extent. Heck, even my uncle is named Solomon Clarence and my dad Henry Thomas. I need to try to obtain a copy of George's birth certificate, I guess.
Thanks again, and please do admit me to the Lott inner circle.
Rick Lott
Subj: Arthur Lott who m. Mary Triplett
Date: 12/6/98 1:31:07 AM Central Standard Time
From: email@example.com (Joseph Lott)
To: email@example.com ('email@example.com')
Just wondering why being in Jefferson Co, GA in 1820 census rules out the Arthur Lott who m. Mary Triplett from being the one who married Elizabeth Watts in 1822 in MS?
Regards, JL
Subj: Re: Arthur Lott who m. Mary Triplett
Date: 12/7/98
To: email@example.com
Good point, Joe. I guess "ruling out" is a little strong. However, my reason for "ruling her in" was time and location; therefore, if another Arthur Lott was around in that time and location (he was also found on a Jefferson Co. tax roll in the teens), that seems to me to greatly reduce the probability of her being the mother of Abram Lott of Smith Co., TX.
Subj: Re: Lott Family
Date: 12/5/98 9:59:31 PM Central Standard Time
From: BandB4951
To: JBarron933, BURNSDC
TribalGovernment.html at www.choctaw.org
Here is something very interesting that I just came across and haven't even taken the time to go through yet but I just saw where it says BOGUE CHITTO COMMUNITY.....in the letter Don Burns sent it states that his CHIEF LOTT's Choctaw name he thinks to be
CHOOKFAHITHLABOGUE.....CHOOK-FA-HITHLA-BOGUE........as in the BOGUE....that appears in BOGUE CHITTO COMMUNITY.......still checking it out....
Bellinda Myrick Barnett
Subj: Re: Lott Family
Date: 12/5/98
To: BURNSDC
In a message dated 11/30/98 5:32:52 PM Central Standard Time, BURNSDC writes:
<< Thank you for the mail! Here is a sketch of what I have to get us started. I have to go through my file this evening and put the whole thing together better than this. But the key question is Chief Lott's Indian Name: Chook-Fa-Hithla-Bogue. At least this is what I have been given by my family in Texas. He reportedly was born in1800, married (name unknown to me) in 1822, dies in 1830 at Dancing Rabbit Cereek, MS. (I have a hand drawn map of the signing location made at the time.) A daughter, name not known to me, was born in 1825. She married a man whose name also was Lott in 1843. They had a son (perhaps others as well) W.H. "Bill" Lott, born 1850 married a woman in 1870 with the last name "Mathis", date and place of birth and death unknown. Bill Lott died in 1880. They had a daughter (probably other children as well) whose name was Lu Cretie Lott, born Sep 20, 1874, in Vernon Parish, LA, Died Jan 11, 1858, in Center, TX. She married my Grandfather, John Wilson Burns on an unknown date. John was born Sep 6,1867, in Vern Parish, LA, to James Knox Polk Burns and Betty Biggs.
My Grandfather was killed in a farm accident in Center, TX, in about 1902. My Grandmother subsequently married Rodophus D. Kounce.
My father, Gilbert Carlton Burns, was born in Aiken, TX, Apr 28, 1899 There were
five other children by my Grandmother and Grandfather Burns. The oldest was James William, borh In Vernon Parish, LA, Dec 26, 1890, died Dec 27, 1917.
If any of this fits with information in your position, please let me know. This is very interesting research! Thank you for your help. I guess the big question is, did the Indian whose name I gave you above actually sign the treaty?
I look forward to hearing from you.
Donald Carlton Burns, Sacramento, CA
Thanks, Don, very interesting. He didn't sign the treaty as far as I can tell (at least not by that name). There were some Indian names that looked something similar to it however. I'll try and figure our where I got the list of signers and put a link to it on my web page.
John Barron
Subj: Re: Arthur Lott who m. Mary Triplett
Date: 12/7/98 7:35:02 PM Central Standard Time
From: Kerrygmo
Hi All! I may have missed it but I am still trying to find a connection to my Ann Lott who married William Williams about 1770. Ann was born about 1752. My wife descends from their son Simon Williams who was born in 1775 in Bulloch County, GA. It appears that this family moved to Mississippi as I show William died in MS and Simon and his wife, Tabitha Byrd, died in Rankin Co., MS. Any help here?
Kerry Girolamo
Subj: Lott History
Date: 12/8/98 10:32:27 AM Central Standard Time
From: JLott1224
To: JBarron933
Hello fellow Lott researchers. This is Jim Lott. I have done some research on my Lott line. I have been reading your "correspondence" with other Lott researchers.. I'm assuming that your primary search has passed over my line. I am though descended from John Lott Jr. and his wife Sally. His son Mark was my ggggreat Grandfather and his wife Delilah jones Lott. From what I can figure out the family, other than Mark, went to Mississippi about 1809, this was determined by a "passport" for John to pass through the Indian territory , which is now Alabama. There is one other source for history on the "Mississippi" Lott's. He is : V. O. Dickerson. His wife is a descendent of the Mississippi Lotts. Also V. O. is a certified Genealogist. So you may find this contact "interesting". I'm still trying to read all of your correspondence that I have downloaded and can read at my leisure. I am legally blind so by reading speed is kinda slow. Let me know if I can "join" the Lott researchers group. I also have some background of Elizabeth Joyner.
Subj: Re: Lott History
Date: 12/8/98 8:01:30 PM Central Standard Time
From: JLott1224
To: JBarron933
Thanks for the "swift" action. One thing I forgot to mention in my other note. I had the information on Elizabeth Joyner and have misplaced it. But there is a book on the Joyners at the public library in Smithville, Va. I had copied a page in which there was the following information.......Elizabeth Joyner Born 1700. Married John Lott 1719. She was the Great Granddaughter of Thomas Joyner who sailed from the port of "lyndon" England in 1736 at the age of 16. He spent the rest of his life in and around Smithfield.....Correct the other to read Smithfield. I plan on going back up there to find that page which gave specifics. Also a John Lott was classified as an adult on his fathers will in 1708. Maybe this will help a little .
Subj: Re: Lott History
Date: 12/9/98
To: JLott1224
Jim, by all means let us know what you find, ESPECIALLY in regards to a John Lott in 1708. I've not seen the Joyner book to which you refer, but I am familiar with the dates for her that you cite. I think they are pretty good estimates and in my paper on the web page entitled "A Review of the Southern Colonial Lotts" I outline my feeling on this subject. Basically, I think that her brothers Solomon and Absalom Joyner were adults in the mid 1730s when they were involved in land transactions with an adult John Lott (#1) in Bertie/Edgecome Co., NC. I would appreciate any "hard" evidence on dates about the Joyner/Lott connection. To my knowledge the only one is the 1748 will/probate of John Joyner from Isle of Wight Co., VA.
Many have postulated that this Elizabeth Joyner was born about 1720. I think this date estimate stems from the DAR application of Frances Blitch which is suspect to say the least. The Mark Lott bible from which she supposedly took the dates must have been filled out some years after the 1810 date that was given for the death of John Lott (#3). It also said something like "died at age 68" which is, to my mind, the most likely correct information. This John really died in 1807 in Miss. Terr. and since bible records seldom contain location information the place was not specified and she guessed he died in Georgia. Anyway this would make John Lott #3 born in 1742 according to her data and this is what has been ingrained in the records without regard to the original source. Using the 1742 date and "by guess and by golly analyses", John Lott #2 (supposed by many to be the husband of Elizabeth Joyner) was speculated to have been born about 1720. This DAR record, notarized by Judge Folks Huxford, has been a sore subject with me for many years and, along with Huxford's speculation about the early Lotts in his "Pioneers of Wiregrass Country", have contributed to many of the problems with Lott research.
John Barron
Subj: Re: Lott Family
Date: 12/10/98 11:47:44 PM Central Standard Time
From: email@example.com (Susan Miklas)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
CC: email@example.com (John Barron)
I have some assorted papers on the Lott Family of Dancing Rabbit Creek. I have traced one family member through several generations. The man was Charles Lotte and his Choctaw name may have been Tush-co-hou-che-mah-tubbee. If so, he had 4 children and the English name of one was Jacob Lott and one was Betsey Lott.
If Charles Lott's parents were who I think they were, he was 1/2 Choctaw.
How are you related?
Sue Miklas
Subj: Re: Lott Family
Date: 12/11/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
In a message dated 12/10/98 11:47:44 PM Central Standard Time, email@example.com writes:
<< If Charles Lott's parents were who I think they were, he was 1/2 Choctaw. >>
Thanks, Sue. Who do you think his father was anyway? Seems like someone way back was looking for a Charles Lott thinking he was a son of Solomon. If my memory is correct, there was also a Charles Lotte who was named as living without claim on public land in early MS c1810. No one seems to want to claim this guy.
I have found a Charles Lott about 1870 whose descendants claimed Indian blood who may have been an ex-slave of the Lotts. Not sure of places of residence of this Charles may have been in AR. Are you familiar with this man?
Glad to see you are back and giving us points to ponder. Keep it up.
Subj: Home Page
Date: 12/12/98 4:00:14 AM Central Standard Time
From: email@example.com (Michael)
To: email@example.com
I stumbled onto your web page by searching through Yahoo and FamilyFinder. I am presently helping my son do a genealogy report for school. The report is supposed to trace your family surname back to the first ancestor who came to America. Along the way he is to write about the period, way of life, etc...
My name is Michael Lott age 42, presently living in Danville, CA. I am the son of Hilton and Gloria Lott (who appears in reference on your web page link "The Story of My Lotts", 1988). I received some information from my folks but it is inconsistent. I was very impressed with your work on the Lotts and would like to thank you very much. You make reference to how the Lotts keep naming themselves over and over again. Without knowledge of this I named my four sons Christopher, Hilton (after my dad), Nathaniel and David. All of these names appear somewhere in the family tree. I guess it is true!!! (At least I didn't have a John or Arthur) My folks have our family tree as follows:
#1 William Lott - 1662 (James City and Charles City Counties, Virginia) sp.Mary
#2 John Lott - 1680 (New Kent County, Virginia) sp. Unknown
#3 John Lott - 1720 (New Kent County, Virginia) sp. Elizabeth (Bethany)1739 (Edgecombe County, North Carolina)
#4 Solomon Lott - 1767 (St. George Parish, now Burke County, Georgia)
#5 Arthur Lott - 1835 (Copiah County, Ms.)
#6 Solomon J. Lott - 1845 (Madison County, Ms.)
#7 Solomon B. Lott 1876 (Scott County, Ms.)
#8 Charles Abbie Lott 1900 (my grandpa)
#9 Hilton Wayne Lott (my father)
#10 Michael Wayne Lott (me of course)
#11 Hilton Michael Lott (my son)
If you have time, please let me know what you think of this. I would really respect your opinion.
Subj: Re: Home Page
Date: 12/13/98
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Hello Mike and thanks for your message. About 20 years ago my daughter Lucy, then in Jr. High, "dragged" me up to the state genealogy library to help her with her class project concerning family history. At the time I'm not sure that I had ever heard the word genealogy. Well, here it is all this time later and Lucy and I are still "hooked" on it. I hope your son will do the same or, at least, develop an appreciation for his ancestors.
I've never met your parents or even corresponded with them, but feel like I know them anyway. After all were are kinfolks, right. A mutual friend and cousin, Sue Miklas, sent me copies of their work which I have used in my research. I appreciate their efforts very much and they have helped me reach my conclusions.
I think that the line of descent that you show is for the most part correct, although there are several points that I would caution you to check into further as follows:
1) I don't believe that there is any evidence to assign William Lott who was in James or Charles City, VA, as early as 1662 as the first ancestor of our line. There was also a John Lott in the same area c1655 as well as others. My paper on the web page entitled "A Review of the Southern Colonial Lott Family" goes into my thinking and evidence on the early ones.
2) Not sure about the birth dates or places of birth of either of the John Lotts that you show, but both are reasonable assumptions. I think the earliest John married Elizabeth Joyner.
3) The wife of the John Lott (#3 on your list) is in dispute. I think he was married to an unknown woman (to us, that is) in North Carolina who was the mother of his children and that Bethany was a 2nd wife that he married after 1764 and was perhaps the mother of his youngest child.
4) Solomon Lott was a grown man who received a land grant in St. George's Par. in the 1760s and must have been born about 1740 in North Carolina.
Other than the above I think you've got it going pretty good. Let me know how his project goes and I hope he makes an A on it.
John Barron, Austin, TX
Subj: Re: LOTTS in Smith Co. TX
Date: 12/14/98 7:19:16 PM Central Standard Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Teresa Penny)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Hi, I was just going over this old posting and I was wondering about my Lotts. I have a Mary Lott who was born in MS. She was married in 1849 in Smith county, TX to Absolom Downs. I wondered if she could be connected to one of the below mentioned families from the 1850 census? Do you have any idea of the possibility.
Thanks, Teresa Penny
Subj: Joe Davis Sr.
Date: 12/15/98 3:56:03 PM Central Standard Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (W. B. Moore)
Reply-to: firstname.lastname@example.com
To: email@example.com (John C Barron)
Joe Davis Sr P. O. Box 365 Spanaway WA 98387 is an Indian who lives on a reservation. He claims descent from Amy Lott. I have corresponded with him for several years. He spends most of his time searching Indian records for Lotts, Watts, and Aultmans. His computer skills leave much to be desired but he can send and receive e-mail. His friend Shilrey Lindeen has a computer which he uses. The e-mail address is email@example.com. He would like to be included in the circle and I recommend that you put him in. Joe has much Indian info and keeps coming up with more. I believe he would be a good addition. Will you include him?
bill moore
Subj: A MS Lott question
Date: 12/16/98 10:56:48 AM Central Standard Time
From: email@example.com (Vince Herrin)
To: email@example.com
Hi. Been reading the postings, but haven't had any answers for anybody. I do have a new question for the group, however. Lucas (Luke) Broom was born in Marion County, Mississippi, around 1825 ( I don't have the exact dates--this question is for a cousin of mine). His first wife was reportedly Sarah Lott, but we have no background on her at all. One of this couple's daughters named a son Jesse Wiggins, presumably after the Jesse Wiggins that tied in with the Lotts and Watts. Does anybody have any idea who this Sarah Lott could have been? Is she perhaps Robert Lott's daughter?
Thanks, Vince
Subj: Mark Lott Bible information
Date: 12/16/98 5:19:49 PM Central Standard Time
From: email@example.com (Emory Smith)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com ('email@example.com')
Mr. John Barron,
We do have a copy of the information that you requested from the Mark Lott Bible. There are 13 pages of the information. We will need a payment of $ 7.50 to pay for the photo-copies and postage for mailing this to you. Also, we will need an address of where to send this information. Please e-mail me back when you receive this message that you have received it and what you want to do about it.
Emory Smith
Satilla Regional library
201 S. Coffee Avenue
Douglas, Georgia 31533
(912) 384 - 4667
e-mail: firstname.lastname@example.com
Subj: Re: LOTTS in Smith Co. TX
Date: 12/16/98
To: email@example.com
Teresa, she must not have been the daughter of Arthur Lott of Smith Co. or John of Harrison Co. as they both had daughters named Mary. The other Smith Co. Lott men, Absalom and Abram, were too young to have children this age.
What is your source of info that she was married in Smith Co. Did she live there? If so when. Was she on the census? Did she stay? Lots of questions, huh. Tell me more about her as I can't place here with any family I am familiar with.
John Barron
Subj: Lott
Date: 12/17/98 8:34:29 PM Central Standard Time
From: HALLA1001
To: JBarron933
I was just given your address regarding a group of Lott researchers. I am looking for information on Elizabeth Lott, born ca 1820s, married James William Anderson in 1843 in Benton County, Alabama. They were in the Randolph 1850 census and living next door to Mark Lott (78) born South Carolina and living with the Joseph Stoddard and wife Parchnsla(?). Some of children of James William Anderson and Elizabeth Lott are Wiley Timothy Anderson and according to the census, Mary, Francis, and Margrete. James William Anderson is believed to have been killed in the Civil War and Elizabeth Lott and some of the children moved to Bell County, Texas.
Do you have any information on them?
Thanks for your help.
Barbara Morris
Subj: Re: LOTTS in Smith Co. TX
Date: 12/17/98 11:19:03 PM Central Standard Time
From: email@example.com (Teresa Penny)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Hi, I just got out my notes again and I don't know why Smith county looked familiar to me. It was not Smith county, It was Anderson county. Her husband Absolom Downs was in Limestone county , TX in 1845 according to the poll tax. He was married in Anderson county in 1849 to Mary Lott. He was back in Limestone county in 1850 during the census. They remained in Limestone county until Mary's death at which time her husband remarried and moved to Wise county, TX. Do you know of any Lott's who lived in Anderson county. I would appreciate it as I have hit a dead end.
Thank you, Teresa Penny
Subj: Re: LOTTS in Smith Co. TX
Date: 12/19/98
To: email@example.com
Teresa, I have spent the day working on this couple in the State Genealogy Library and feel sure that I have identified Mary's parents. I will give you a more complete id when I can get more together but I think her father was Arthur Lott and her mother was Harriet Wheddon. Arthur died about 1847 and his widow remarried Pliney Black and lived in Limestone and McLennan Co., TX 1850-60. Arthur was a brother of John and Robert A. Lott and they all came to Texas in the mid-1830s after being in Florida a few years. The brothers are of the John Lott (of Edgecombe Co., NC) group. More later.
John Barron
Subj: Lotts
Date: 12/21/98 5:04:09 PM Central Standard Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (shirley l lindeen)
To: email@example.com
Hi, Some time ago I was sent an e-mail by one of the Lott Circle that there ancestors Benjamin Lott and family had moved to Texas and lived for a while at the home of G.P. Lott, would this be, G.P. and Mary P. Terrel Lott daughter Jennie Lott Lannan? She had two daughters Maggie and Mary. 2nd Would one of the John Lotts of Texas, would that have been John and Mary Ann Lott, with a daughter Millie Lott Macintosh? And I see on one of the queries about Mary Lott, there seems to be a pretty close association with theses Lotts in Texas, Mississippi Lotts and Oklahoma Lotts. I have Ablsom Lott with daughter Mary, Amy, Chanty who seems to disappear from Oklahoma around this same period of time. But no evidence this is the same one, but would like to hear more about the age of this Mary.
Thanks, Joe
Subj: Re: LOTTS in Smith Co. TX
Date: 12/21/98 5:16:38 PM Central Standard Time
From: email@example.com (Teresa Penny)
To: email@example.com
Hi, I didn't mean that I wasn't going to do any research myself.........I'm in the heart of the research. I live in Limestone county, in fact, I live in Groesbeck, the county seat for Limestone county. I'm just getting started though on this line. If you need any looking up for Limestone county, let me know. I have read some of "Blood on the Bluebonnets" and it's very interesting. I've been working on my grandfather's side of the family and I am just beginning on this side. Everything I know about this line, came from my grandmother's older brother . He's dead now, but my second cousin did a lot of the research back in 1988, and she interviewed him and it all came from him. I guess it's been something he's been told in the past. This Mary Lott would be his great grand mother. I have a poll tax record of Absolom Downs in 1845 in Limestone county. In every census I've seen of him, it has him listed as being born in a different state. Mary Lott died in childbirth in 1864. My grandmother's sister had a plot of land near Prairie Hill that was originally owned by a John Lott through a land grant. Someone in my family has these papers, but I'm not sure who. I have more information on the Downs family (descendants of Absolom and Mary Lott Down), but nothing before either of them. Give me some ideas on where to look and what to look for. I'm not sure . I have access to tax records, marriage records, and whatever else is available in the court house, library and newspaper.
Teresa Penny
Limestone county, Texas
Subj: Re: LOTTS in Smith Co. TX
Date: 12/21/98
To: email@example.com
Hey, now, those were supposed to be clues to get you started on the road to research. ;o)
Actually, I've been working on a paper on these very families (John, Arthur, and Robert A. Lott) for some time, but it's not going very fast. I would like very much to receive any info that you have on them including your sources. I am especially interested in why you think they were married in Anderson Co., TX, and how you found that Downs' wife was named Mary Lott. I searched the Anderson Co. marriage records, but didn't find such a marriage. All the Limestone Co. records were destroyed in a courthouse fire in 1873 which adds to the problems and enigma of this family. Until 1850, Limestone Co. included what is now Freestone Co. which is just across the Trinity River from Anderson. Arthur Lott settled near the tiny community of Butler along with the family of his good friend "Waco" Edwards in what is now Freestone Co. In 1860, Absalom Downs was running a ferry (probably owned by the Lotts as the family had long been associated with ferries) just across the Trinity. The young Downs couple were listed in Limestone Co. in 1850, but it was prect 3 which is the area that is now in Freestone Co.
Brother John Lott settled in the other half of Limestone Co. near the present town of Mt. Calm. It may be in Hill Co. now. Both John and Arthur seemed to have died about 1847 as they both disappeared from the tax rolls about this time and their widows started paying the taxes. Arthur's widow quickly remarried Pliney Black and Celia (widow of John Lott) paid taxes a few years then disappeared herself.
Maybe after the holidays I can do some more on it. There is a book on them already called "Blood on the Bluebonnets" by Bill Lehmann, but its more useful on the later generations. He is a descendant of John Lott and the Millers from John's second marriage.
John Barron, Austin
Subj: Re: Lotts
Date: 12/22/98 12:04:24 PM Central Standard Time
From: firstname.lastname@example.com (Merle Bellmer)
To: firstname.lastname@example.com
Hello, I may have something to add to the exchange on Benjamin Lott, from MS to TX, and about Lotts in Freestone Co. TX.
I descend from Aaron Lott, Sr. of Carroll County, MS. Aaron's grandsons, Benjamin J. Lott and John William Lott, (sons of Aaron Lott, Jr.) went to Lewisville, Denton Co. TX in the early to mid 1870's. Many of their descendants eventually lived in counties from Parker Co. to Rains and Hunt Counties and other counties in between, likely.
Recently, with the help of others and with Conf. pension files from TX, I have learned that other grandsons of Aaron, Sr. (sons of Toliver and sons of Vail Jackson Lott) also went to TX-----Hill Co. and Freestone Co. TX. At least one of those grandsons went from Hill Co. to Bexar Co. and indeed died there. Toliver Lott (son of Aaron, Sr.) had moved to Yalobusha Co. MS by 1850 and sons likely went from there to TX. (I THINK, can't prove, that Toliver, [Sr.] died in Yalobusha Co.)
The confusing problem has been the "popular" use of the names, John and James in the Lott lines, to the extent that first cousins both have the same names and some were born at least near the same year. So it has been enough to drive one "crazy" to try to keep them straight, and feel it is correct.
The James Lott in Grimes turns out to be the son of Robert, of GA (have his death certificate). I THOUGHT when I got the death certificate that he might have been one of the "grandsons" that I was looking for. So I do not know if any of the Lotts that appear in Grimes Co. TX on censuses are related to the Aaron Lott, Sr. line of Carroll Co. MS.
Merry Christmas to all, Dot
Subj: Re: Lott Research
Date: 12/31/98 5:45:55 PM Central Standard Time
From: BandB4951
To: JBarron933
Dear John,
No, I am so sorry I'll have to go back and correct that! I thought I had written LIGHTFOOT.....PHILLIP LIGHTFOOT......that should teach me NOT to post ANYTHING at that time of the MORNING! I even looked at it and reviewed it before I posted it! I can't believe I didn't see that.....! Anyway....No, I have come up with over and over again on many other lists that MARTHA JANE DORSEY/DORCY and possibly D'ARCY...... LIGHTFOOT is her name and that she is the daughter of PHILLIP LIGHTFOOT. I am still trying to confirm that. Just as soon as I think I have it nailed down as to which PHILLIP LIGHTFOOT then I will find a change....but it always stays PHILLIP and just as soon as I hear from one of the more involved LIGHTFOOT researchers that they don't have anything on it.....then I hear back from them that it is pretty sure that she is the daughter of PHILLIP LIGHTFOOT and they are sending me various files of information......so, I am just trying to confirm something before totally sending up fireworks. Right now it appears that it is PHILLIP, III, 3, of that line I listed....but all LIGHTFOOT.......from Virginia......I'm still trying to find out where the DORSEY/DORCY/D'ARCY part comes from.....apparently, from what is part speculation, of course, is that it appears to belong there.....but....???......trying to find that as we're going along......and there is one very prominent and politically involved family out of MARYLAND in the 1700's named DORSEY......from the son of one politically prominent man is the son NICHOLAS who has daughters named LUCRETIA DORSEY and FRANCES DORSEY and an uncle named FRANCIS DORSEY and I believe another daughter or sister named ELIZABETH DORSEY and either an aunt, sister, someone named MARTHA or MARGARET.....obviously, all normal names to find from that time....but with so many 'matching' along with the DORSEY connection.....it is curious.
I apologize about saying PHILLIP LOTT. I will go over there now and correct that. You are aware I believe that WILLIAM HATTEN and his wife, my ggg grandparents, FRANCES LUCRETIA LOTT, were second cousins, I believe, as he was descended from the LOTT family as well. I have come across so much information I couldn't remember if that information was over on your website or not. Let me know if that is something new for you and I'll send over that file or link....whatever I have it in. I will run now and correct that posting before I 'misguide' anyone else. Thanks for bringing that to my attention! Have a very HAPPY NEW YEARS EVE AND DAY! I will, also, contact Sue about this....I have sent her several things in links...but she is not able to access as she doesn't have AOL and I have been sick with the flu and my father had a massive heart attack and triple bypass surgery right at Thanksgiving! He's doing well in the healing process....but it's thrown things off a bit. So I still have to catch her up on some files that I have. Also, I am just now getting ready to put in a genealogy program.....if you have any recommendations or anything that you WOULD NOT RECOMMEND....I would love to hear it! I've been 'collecting' and need to really organize it all into a file now.....right after the first of the year. Thanks, again. I will talk to you later.
Sincerely, Bellinda Myrick Barnett
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