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6 TB NAS Drives: WD Red, Seagate Enterprise Capacity and HGST Ultrastar He6 Face-Offby Ganesh T S on 7/21/2014 11:00 AM EST
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sleewok - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkBased on my experience with the WD Red drives I'm not surprised you had one fail that quickly. I have a 5 disk (2TB Red) RAID6 setup with my Synology Diskstation. I had 2 drives fail within a week and another 1 within a month. WD replaced them all under warranty. I had a 4th drive seemingly fail, but seemed to fix itself (I may have run a disk check). I simply can't recommend WD Red if you want a reliable setup. Reply
Zan Lynx - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkIf we're sharing anecdotal evidence, I have two 2TB Reds in a small home server and they've been great. I run a full btrfs scrub every week and never find any errors.
Child mortality is a common issue with electronics. In the past I had two Seagate 15K SCSI drives that both failed in the first week. Does that mean Seagate sucks? Reply
icrf - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkI had a lot of trouble with 3 TB Green drives, had 2 or 3 early failures in an array of 5 or 6, and one that didn't fail, but silently corrupted data (ZFS was good for letting me know about that). Once all the failures were replaced under warranty, they all did fine.
So I guess test a lot, keep on top of it for the first few months or year, and make use of their pretty painless RMA process. WD isn't flawless, but I'd still use them. Reply
Anonymous Blowhard - Monday, July 21, 2014 - link>early failure
>Green drives
Completely unsurprised here, I've had nothing but bad luck with any of those "intelligent power saving" drives that like to park their heads if you aren't constantly hammering them with I/O.
Big ZFS fan here as well, make sure you're on ECC RAM though as I've seen way too many people without it. Reply
icrf - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkI'm building a new array and will use Red drives, but I'm thinking of going btrfs instead of zfs. I'll still use ECC RAM. Did on the old file server. Reply
spazoid - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkPlease stop this "ZFS needs ECC RAM" nonsense. ZFS does not have any particular need of ECC RAM that every other filer doesn't. Reply
Anonymous Blowhard - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkI have no intention of arguing with yet another person who's totally wrong about this. Reply
extide - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkYou both are partially right, but the fact is that non ECC RAM on ANY file server can cause corruption. ZFS does a little bit more "processing" on the data (checksums, optional compression, etc) which MIGHT expose you to more issues due to bit flips in memory, but stiff if you are getting frequent memory errors, you should be replacing the bad stick, good memory does not really have frequent bit errors (unless you live in a nuclear power station or something!)
FWIW, I have a ZFS machine with a 7TB array, and run scrubs at least once a month, preferably twice. I have had it up and running in it's current state for over 2 years and have NEVER seen even a SINGLE checksum error according to zpool status. I am NOT using ECC RAM.
In a home environment, I would suggest ECC RAM, but in a lot of cases people are re-using old equipment, and many times it is a desktop class CPU which won't support ECC, which means moving to ECC ram might require replacing a lot of other stuff as well, and thus cost quite a bit of money. Now, if you are buying new stuff, you might as well go with an ECC capable setup as the costs aren't really much more, but that only applies if you are buying all new hardware. Now for a business/enterprise setup yes, I would say you should always run ECC, and not only on your ZFS servers, but all of them. However, most of the people on here are not going to be talking about using ZFS in an enterprise environment, at least the people who aren't using ECC!
tl/dr -- Non ECC is FINE for home use. You should always have a backup anyways, though. ZFS by itself is not a backup, unless you have your data duplicated across two volumes. Reply
alpha754293 - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkThe biggest problem I had with ZFS is its total lack of data recovery tools. If your array bites the dust (two non-rotating drives) on a stripped zpool, you're pretty much hosed. (The array won't start up). So you can't just do a bit read in order to recover/salvage whatever data's still on the magnetic disks/platters of the remaining drives and the're nothing that has told me that you can clone the drive (including its UUID) in its entirety in order to "fool" the system thinking that it's the EXACTLY same drive (when it's actually been replaced) so that you can spin up the array/zpool again in order to begin the data extraction process.
For that reason, ZFS was dumped back in favor of NTFS (because if an NTFS array goes down, I can still bit-read the drives, and salvage the data that's left on the platters). And I HAD a Premium Support Subscription from Sun (back when it was still Sun), and even they TOLD me that they don't have ANY data recovery tools like that. And they couldn't tell me the procedure for cloning the dead drives either (including its UUID).
Btrfs was also ruled out for the same technical reasons. (Zero data recovery tools available should things go REALLY farrr south.) Reply
name99 - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - link"because if an NTFS array goes down, I can still bit-read the drives, and salvage the data that's left on the platters"
Are you serious? Extracting info from a bag of random sectors was a reasonable thing to do from a 1.44MB floppy disk, it is insane to imagine you can do this from 6TB or 18 TB or whatever of data.
That's like me giving you a house full of extremely finely shredded then mixed up paper, and you imaging you can construct a million useful documents from it. Reply
brettinator - Friday, March 18, 2016 - linkI realize this is years old, but I did indeed use raw i/o on a 10TB fried RAID 6 volume to recover copious amounts of source code. Reply
andychow - Monday, November 24, 2014 - link@extide, you've just shown that you don't understand how it works. You're NEVER going to have checksum errors if your data is being corrupted by your RAM. That's why you need ECC RAM, so errors don't happen "up there".
You might have tons of corrupted files, you just don't know it. 4 GB of RAM has a 96% percent chance of having a bit error in three days without ECC RAM. Reply
alpha754293 - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkYeah....while the official docs say you "need" ECC, the truth is - you really don't. It's nice, and it'll help to mitigate like bit-flip errors and stuff like that, but I mean...by that point, you're already passing PBs of data through the array/zpool before it's even noticable. And part of that has to do with the fact that it does block-by-block checksumming, which means that given the nature of how people run their systems, it'll probably reduce your ERRs even further, but you might be talking like a third of what's already an INCREDIBLY small percentage.
A system will NEVER complain if you have ECC RAM (and have ECC enabled, because my servers have ECC RAM, but I've always disabled ECC in the BIOS), but it isn't going to NOT startup if you have ECC RAM, but with ECC disabled.
And so far, I haven't seen ANY discernable evidence that suggests that ECC is an absolute must when running ZFS, and you can SAY that I am wrong, but you will also need to back that statement up with evidence/data. Reply
npz - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkThe reason why you need ECC with ZFS, BTRFS, ReFS (if checksum is enabled), is because what happens if you encounter a bit flip while doing the first checksum calculation that will be stored on disk?
If you are doing a 2 way mirror, you now have two permanently "bad" blocks. That makes it unrecoverable, even though the disks are perfectly fine and the blocks are actually fine. Reply
m0du1us - Friday, July 25, 2014 - link@npz Agreed, the whole point of using ZFS, etc... is to utilize the extended data security feature of the FS. For instance file check-summing, data-deduplication and block indexing which all rely on correct check-sums. On a new system build, ECC is a must for a reliable file system. Reply
AlmaFather - Monday, July 28, 2014 - linkSome information:
http://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/ecc-vs... Reply
Samus - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkThe problem with power saving "green" style drives is the APM is too aggressive. Even Seagate, who doesn't actively manufacture a "green" drive at a hardware level, uses firmware that sets aggressive APM values in many low end and external versions of their drives, including the Barracuda XT.
This is a completely unacceptable practice because the drives are effectively self-destructing. Most consumer drives are rated at 250,000 load/unload cycles and I've racked up 90,000 cycles in a matter of MONTHS on drives with heavy IO (seeding torrents, SQL databases, exchange servers, etc)
HDPARM is a tool that you can send SMART commands to a drive and disable APM (by setting the value to 255) overriding the firmware value. At least until the next power cycle... Reply
name99 - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkI don't know if this is the ONLY problem.
My most recent (USB3 Seagate 5GB) drive consistently exhibited a strange failure mode where it frequently seemed to disconnect from my Mac. Acting on a hunch I disabled the OSX Energy Saver "Put hard disks to sleep when possible" setting, and the problem went away. (And energy usage hasn't gone up because the Seagate drive puts itself to sleep anyway.)
Now you're welcome to read this as "Apple sux, obviously they screwed up" if you like. I'd disagree with that interpretation given that I've connected dozens of different disks from different vendors to different macs and have never seen this before. What I think is happening is Seagate is not handling a race condition well --- something like "Seagate starts to power down, half-way through it gets a command from OSX to power down, and it mishandles this command and puts itself into some sort of comatose mode that requires power cycling".
I appreciate that disk firmware is hard to write, and that power management is tough. Even so, it's hard not to get angry at what seems like pretty obvious incompetence in the code coupled to an obviously not very demanding test regime. Reply
jay401 - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - link> Completely unsurprised here, I've had nothing but bad luck with any of those "intelligent power saving" drives that like to park their heads if you aren't constantly hammering them with I/O.
I fixed that the day i bought mine with the wdidle utility. No more excessive head parking, no excessive wear. I've had 3 2TB Greens and 2 3TB Greens with no issues so far (thankfully). Currently running a pair of 4TB Reds, but have not seen any excessive head parking showing up in the SMART data with those. Reply
chekk - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkYes, I just test all new drives thoroughly for a month or so before trusting them. My anecdotal evidence across about 50 drives is that they are either DOA, fail in the first month or last for years. But hey, YMMV. Reply
icrf - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkMy anecdotal experience is about the same, but I'd extend the early death window a few more months. I don't know that I've gone through 50 drives, but I've definitely seen a couple dozen, and that's the pattern. One year warranty is a bit short for comfort, but I don't know that I care much about 5 years over 3. Reply
Guspaz - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkI've had a bunch of 2TB greens in a ZFS server (15 of them) for years and none of them have failed. I expected them to fail, and I designed the setup to tolerate two to four of them failing without data loss, but... nothing. Reply
Wixman666 - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkThe WD Green and other drives fail more often because they are not intended for NAS use. They lack the anti-vibration mechanism, so they shake apart. Reply
anandtech_user01 - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkGiven my own previous experiences, I wouldn't trust high density 3.5" drives from any manufacturer period. Of course, lots of other people do (or somehow feel forced to). As for WD RED, they can be better than the competition in respect to being able to switch off the head-parking every 10 seconds (with wdidle3.exe DOS utility). Wheras I've got 2 Seagate Momentus 7200.2/4 and that's impossible with them. Looking at the specs for the 2.5" RED it's pretty much just a re-branded WD Black from the previous year. And those ones have been out for a few years, and are reliable / do have a good reputation. Wheras I've heard that the 3.5" RED something more like a re-worked / tweaked 3.5" WD Green. Not so sure about those ones. Reply
kmi187 - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkAnecdotal evidence, while it should not be discarded, is rather irrelevant since the scale is rather low. Now if you look at some statistics from data-centers it shows seagate as a clear winner when it come to failure rates. In other words, they aren't doing too well.
This data is much more reliable since it's data from a lot of hard drives, so it paints a much clearer picture.
I build custom pc's for a computer store and it's just not fun when you have kickass system that went out the door and 2 months later you have to tell the client, yeah sorry man but the drive died, we are going to have to reinstall your pc. If that starts to happen on regular basis, you know you have to look for alternatives. Reply
romrunning - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkWhy wouldn't you build w/SSDs as your base drive, and only use spinning disks as secondary storage? It would seem that you would have better reliability that way. Reply
asmian - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkAgree! It clearly isn't a "kickass" custom system if there's no SSD as boot drive. I pity these customers if they are being sold something as "special" without that as a basic building block these days. :( Please tell us where you work so we can avoid your store. Reply
erple2 - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkBecause managing two disks is a total waste of time and resources. If you're already going to a shop to have a machine built for you, then you've realized that your time is worth more to you than the inconvenience or rolling your own machine. Therefore, it stands to reason that you would also not want to be bothered with having to juggle installations to ssd vs. HDD. I have a setup like that in a laptop, and I hate having to figure out what applications I should put on the ssd vs the HDD. Just give me something that works. That and my time is worth far more than the cost spent trying to juggle applications on and off the ssd when it fills up.
That having been said, ssd is pretty cheap now, so I'm not sure why you wouldn't put in a 500 gb to 1 tb ssd in a higher end build. Reply
Samus - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkI actually haven't had a drive from Seagate, WD or Hitachi fail in years. The last one was a 7200.10 1.5TB (~2008)
I have more WD Red's in deployment than any other drive and they've all been great. However, the largest capacity I've rolled out are 2TB models. Reply
iLovefloss - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkTheir older Barracuda drivers sure did.
Of course, they gotten better.
Still, no matter how you look at it, those "Green" drives tend to fail more often than their other counterparts. Reply
cm2187 - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkSame here. A bunch of 4TB Red and never managed to make them work in a hardware RAID array (LSI and Adaptec). Same symptoms as in the article. Drive marked as failed in the array but works well as standalone. Still had some problems though much less in a soft array (synology). Hitachi desktop drives behave much better in a hardware RAID. Reply
LoneWolf15 - Friday, July 25, 2014 - linkI've been running Reds (mix of 2TB and 3TB, as I'm slowly migrating capacity) in an HP SmartArray P222 in an HP Microserver Gen8 for some time now. 6TB RAID-5 array and no failures.
I will admit, I haven't tried the 4TB models for RAID, but do have one in a USB3 MacAlly external enclosure for backing up the box (Server 2012R2 Standard). Reply
JohnMD1022 - Thursday, July 24, 2014 - linkActually, yes.
I have seen too many bad Seagate drives to use or recommend.
At one point, I had 9 bad Seagates in my shop at the same time.
In addition, their customer service leaves a lot to be desired. Reply
comomolo - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkHave you actually read the article?
It's clearly written that the drive DID NOT fail. The drive in question passed all the tests and ran perfectly fine by itself on a PC. The author states this looks like a compatibility issue with QNAP's server. Reply
GTVic - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkA lot of people claim the failure is related to shipping methods, particularly blaming Newegg on this. Proper shipping = reliable drive. I'd believe that sooner than "WD Red sucks" comments. Reply
Wixman666 - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkI have a sea of WD Red hard drives out in the field at various customer locations. I've only ever had one fail. Reply
romrunning - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkI don't understand - if you had both WD Red and WD Red Pro drives (according to your other quick note on these new drive models), why didn't you review the WD Red Pro? Reply
ganeshts - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkAs I wrote in the pipeline section, the WD Red Pro review will come next week.
This is for the 6 TB capacity.
The 4TB versions' review will include the WD Red Pro (sometime next week) Reply
continuum - Saturday, July 26, 2014 - linkhttp://forums.storagereview.com/index.php/topic/36...
Claims there's an early model issue on the regular WD Red's causing them to be invalid? But that's the only site I've heard of claiming this... Reply
Rythan - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkI've gone through this article a couple of times - where are the idle and load power numbers? Reply
ganeshts - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkI will add them later tonight (along with the missing He6 benchmark numbers). Reply
romrunning - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkAh... It just seems that some of your numbers in this face-off would change if the WD drive was 7200rpm instead of 5400rpm. Perhaps that would affect your conclusion as well. But I suppose if you didn't get a 6TB WD Red Pro drive, then it's a moot point. Reply
ganeshts - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkThere is no 6 TB WD Red Pro out in the market. The Pro version tops out at 4 TB (for now) - 800 GB x 5 platters Reply
harshw - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkThis week I had a LaCie 5Big NAS Pro barf on my 4TB Seagate NAS HDDs. Reformatting and re-testing them with sector scans revealed nothing. But the LaCie would claim that one disk was bad. Of course LaCie also claims the 4TB NAS HDDs are completely compatible.
But to have a 16TB array die after re-synching 80% and having to start from scratch ... yeah it plain sucks.
So yes, it is best to look at evidence from the field and not just rely on manufacturer's recommended & compatible lists. And it's not just WD Red ... Reply
Hrel - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkIt's frustrating that despite the rapid growth in the NAS industry hard drive prices have remained largely stagnant. 4TB drives are basically at the same price point's they were a year ago. It used to be if a drive was released at $200 a year later it was $100 or less.
I'm still waiting for 4TB drives to drop to the $100 mark before I make the jump.
What happened to all those 121TB hard drives that we were supposed to be seeing? I specifically remember an article on anandtech like 1+ years ago talking about how 12TB hard drives would be a reality "a year from today". More than a year later, we're talking about 6TB drives. Very upsetting. Reply
Beany2013 - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkThe floods in Thialand a few years ago set things back - we're only now seeing the manufacturers get their primary build locations back up to full speed not just in manufacturing existing gear, but developing new stuff.
We've had 2tb drives for *years*, but 3tb and above are the results of the 'HDD Homelands' getting back up to speed as I understand it from my works disty/channel contacts, at least. Mebbe one for a pipeline article on the stagnation of HDD capacity, staffers? Reply
extide - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkWhen are we going to get 4k native drives!! I hate this stupid 512b emulation crap! Reply
Zan Lynx - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkI am pretty sure 4K native drives are already out there. I recall a Linux Kernel message thread discussing testing 4K drives and there was a tool to turn off 512B emulation.
If you want them to turn off emulation, I doubt that will happen. Its too easy to leave the code in the firmware. Reply
edlee - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkseagate wipes the floor with all other manufactures when it comes to enterprise products.
that being said, they are expensive as shit, so I bought WD red for my home Nas, but use seagate in my office server for reliability. Reply
jabber - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkLiabilities waiting to happen. Reply
asmian - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkCompletely agree! The two enterprise-class drives are just about OK to use in arrays (and the Helium tech of the HGST looks very interesting, I hope they bring that to smaller drives as well) but the WD Red at that size is a crazy proposition. See my calculation about the risks of rebuilding arrays with those at http://anandtech.com/comments/8273/western-digital...
Anybody building large arrays with these consumer-class 6TB Reds is a fool. Reply
bsd228 - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkAsmian - you may be taking that URE value too literally. I find it very hard to believe that enterprise drives are exactly 10x as good as consumer drives. When the number is so round as 1x10^14 or 1x10^15, it makes me believe them the same way I do the MTBF values. Consider how many premium or enterprise products we see where the only different is a software setting activating a feature. Reply
jabber - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkQuality of HDDs is plummeting. The mech drive makers have lost interest, they know the writing is on the wall. Five years ago it was rare to get a HDD fail of less than 6 months old. But now I regularly get in drives with bad sectors/failed mechanics in that are less than 6-12 months old.
I personally don't risk using any drives over a terrabyte for my own data. Reply
asmian - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkYou're not seriously suggesting that WD RE drives are the same as Reds/Blacks or whatever colour but with a minor firmware change, are you? If they weren't significantly better build quality to back up the published numbers I'm sure we'd have seen a court case by now, and the market for them would have dried up long ago.
On the subject of my rebuild failure calculation, I wonder whether that is exactly what happened to the failing drive in the article: an unrecoverable bit read error during an array rebuild, making the NAS software flag the drive as failed or failing, even though the drive subsequently appears to perform/test OK. Nothing to do with compatability, just the verification of their unsuitability for use in arrays due to their size increasing the risk of bit read errors occurring at critical moments. Reply
NonSequitor - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkIt's more likely that they are binned than that they are manufactured differently. Think of it this way: you manufacture a thousand 4TB drives, then you take the 100 with the lowest power draw and vibration. Those are now RE drives. Then the rest become Reds.
Regarding the anecdotes of users with several grouped early failures: I tend to blame some of that on low-dollar Internet shopping, and some of it on people working on hard tables. It takes very little mishandling to physically damage a hard drive, and even if the failure isn't initial a flat spot in a bearing will eventually lead to serious failure. Reply
Iketh - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkLOL no Reply
m0du1us - Friday, July 25, 2014 - link@NonSequitor This is exactly how enterprise drives are chosen, as well as using custom firmware. Reply
LoneWolf15 - Friday, July 25, 2014 - linkAren't most of our drives fluid-dynamic bearing rather than ball bearing these days? Reply
asmian - Wednesday, July 23, 2014 - linkJust in case anyone is still denying the inadvisability of using these 6TB consumer-class Red drives in a home NAS, or any RAID array that's not ZFS, here's the maths:
6TB is approx 0.5 x 10^14 bits. That means if you read the entire disk (as you have to do to rebuild a parity or mirrored array from the data held on all the remaining array disks) then there's a 50% chance of a disk read error for a consumer-class disk with 1 in 10^14 unrecoverable read error rate (check the maker's specs). Conversely, that means there's a 50% chance that there WON'T be a read error.
Let's say you have a nice 24TB RAID6 array with 6 of these 6TB Red drives - four for data, two parity. RAID6, so good redundancy right? Must be safe! One of your disks dies. You still have a parity (or two, if it was a data disk that died) spare, so surely you're fine? Unfortunately, the chance of rebuilding the array without ANY of the disks suffering an unrecoverable read error is: 50% (for the first disk) x 50% (for the second) x 50% (for the third) x 50% (for the fourth) x 50% (for the fifth. Yes, that's ** 3.125% ** chance of rebuilding safely. Most RAID controllers will barf and stop the rebuild on the first error from a disk and declare it failed for the array. Would you go to Vegas to play those odds of success?
If those 6TB disks had been Enterprise-class drives (say WD RE, or the HGST and Seagates reviewed here) specifically designed and marketed for 24/7 array use, they have a 1 in 10^15 unrecoverable error rate, an order of magnitude better. How does the maths look now? Each disk now has a 5% chance of erroring during the array rebuild, or a 95% chance of not. So the rebuild success probability is 95% x 95% x 95% x 95% x 95% - that's about 77.4% FOR THE SAME SIZE OF DISKS.
Note that this success/failure probability is NOT PROPORTIONAL to the size of the disk and the URE rate - it is a POWER function that squares, then cubes, etc. given the number of disks remaining in the array. That means that using smaller disks than these 6TB monsters is significant to the health of the array, and so is using disks with much better URE figures than consumer-class drives, to an enormous extent as shown by the probability figure above.
For instance, suppose you'd used an eight-disk RAID6 of 6TB Red drives to get the same 24TB array in the first example. Very roughly your non-error probability per disk full read is now 65%, so the probability of no read errors over a 7-disk rebuild is roughly 5%. Better than 3%, but not by much. However, all other things being equal, using far smaller disks (but more of them) to build the same size of array IS intrinsically safer for your data.
Before anyone rushes to say none of this is significant compared to the chance of a drive mechanically failing in other ways, sure, that's an ADDITIONAL risk of array failure to add to the pretty shocking probabilities above. Bottom line, consumer-class drives are intrinsically UNSAFE for your data at these bloated multi-terabyte sizes, however much you think you're saving by buying the biggest available, since the build quality has not increased in step with the technology cramming the bits into smaller spaces. Reply
asmian - Wednesday, July 23, 2014 - linkApologies for proofing error: "For instance, suppose you'd used an eight-disk RAID6 of 6TB Red drives" - obviously I meant 4TB drives. Reply
KAlmquist - Wednesday, July 23, 2014 - link"6TB is approx 0.5 x 10^14 bits. That means if you read the entire disk (as you have to do to rebuild a parity or mirrored array from the data held on all the remaining array disks) then there's a 50% chance of a disk read error for a consumer-class disk with 1 in 10^14 unrecoverable read error rate (check the maker's specs)."
What you are overlooking is that even though each sector contains 4096 bytes, or 32768 bits, it doesn't follow that to read the contents of the entire disk you have to read the contents of each sector 32768 times. To the contrary, to read the entire disk, you only have to read each sector once.
Taking that into account, we can recalculate the numbers. A 5.457 gigabyte drive contains 1,464,843,750 sectors. If the probability of an unrecoverable read error is 1 in 10^14, and the probability of a read error on one sector is independent of the probability of a read error in any other sector, then the probability of getting a read error at some point when reading the entire disk is 0.00146%. I suspect that the probability of getting a read error in one sector is probably not independent of the probability of getting a read error in any other sector, meaning that the 0.00146% figure is too high. But sticking with that figure, it gives us a 99.99268% probability of rebuilding safely.
I don't know of anyone who would dispute that the correct way for a RAID card to handle an unrecoverable read error is to calculate the data that should have been read, try to write it to the disk, and remove the disk from the array if the write fails. (This assumes that the data can be computed from data on the other disks, as is the case in your example of rebuilding a RAID 6 array after one disk has been replaced.) Presumably a lot of RAID card vendors assume that unrecoverable read errors are rare enough that the benefits of doing this right, rather than just assuming that the write will fail without trying, are too small to be worth the cost. Reply
asmian - Wednesday, July 23, 2014 - linkThat makes sense IF (and I don't know whether it is) the URE rate is independent of the number of bits being read. If you read a sector you are reading a LOT of bits. You are suggesting that you would get 1 single URE event on average in every 10^14 sectors read, not in every 10^14 BITS read... which is a pretty big assumption and not what the spec seems to state. I'm admittedly suggesting the opposite extreme, where the chance of a URE is proportional to the number of bits being read (which seems more logical to me). Since you raise this possibility, I suspect the truth is likely somewhere in the middle, but I don't know enough about how UREs are calculated to make a judgement. Hopefully someone else can weigh in and shed some light on this.
Ganesh has said that previous reviews of the Red drives mention they are masking the UREs by using a trick: "the drive hopes to tackle the URE issue by silently failing / returning dummy data instead of forcing the rebuild to fail (this is supposed to keep the RAID controller happy)." That seems incredibly scary if it is throwing bad data back in rebuild situations instead of admitting it has a problem, potentially silently corrupting the array. That for me would be a total deal-breaker for any use of these Red drives in an array, yet again NOT mentioned in the review, which is apparently discussing their suitability for just that... <sigh> Reply
NonSequitor - Thursday, July 24, 2014 - linkSo something isn't adding up here. I have a set of nine Red 3TB drives in a RAID6. They are scrubbed - a full rebuild - once a month. They have been in service for a year and a half with no drive failures. Since it's RAID6, if one drive returns garbage it will be spotted by the second parity drive. Obviously they can't be returning bad data, or they would have been failed out long ago. The array was previously made of 9 1TB Greens, scrubbed monthly, and over two and a half years I had a total of two drive failures, one hard, one a SMART pre-failure. Reply
asmian - Friday, July 25, 2014 - linkLogically, I think this might well be due to the URE masking on these Red drives - something the Green drives weren't doing. You've been lucky that with a non-degraded RAID6 you've always had that second parity drive that has perhaps enabled silent repair by the controller when a URE occurred. I've been pondering more about this and here's what I have just emailed to Ganesh, with whom I've been having a discussion...
On 24/07/2014 03:45, Ganesh T S wrote:
> Ian,
> Irrespective of the way URE needs to be interpreted, the points you
> raise are valid within a certain scope, and I have asked WD for their
> inputs. I will ping Seagate too, since their new NAS HDD models are
> expected to launch in late August.
Thanks. This problem is a lot more complicated than it looks, I think, and than a single URE figure might suggest. But the other "feature" of these Red drives is also extremely concerning to me now. I am a programmer and often think in low-level algorithms, and everything about this URE masking seems wrong in the likely usage scenarios. Please help me with my logic train here - correct me if I'm wrong. Let's assume we have an array of these Red drives. Irrespective of the chance of a URE while the array is rebuilding or in use, let's assume one occurs. You have stated WD's info that the URE is masked and the disk simply returns dummy info for the read.
If you were in a RAID5 and you were rebuilding after you've lost a drive, that MUST mean the array is now silently corrupted, right? The drive has masked the read failure and reported no error, and the RAID controller/software has no way to detect the dummy data. Critically, having a back-up doesn't help if you don't know that you NEED to repair or restore damaged files, and without a warning, due to simple space contraints a good backup will likely be over-written with one that now contains the corrupted data... so all ways round you are screwed. Having a masked URE in this situation is worse than having one reported, as you have no chance to take any remedial action.
If you are in RAID6 and you lost a drive, then you still have a parity check to confirm the stripe data with while rebuilding. But if there's a masked URE and dummy data, then how will the controllers react? I presume they ALWAYS test the stripe data with the remaining parity or parities for consistency... so at that point the controller MUST throw a major rebuild error, right? However, they cannot determine which drive gave the bad data - just that the parity is incorrect - unless it's a parity disc that errored and one parity calculates correctly while the other is wrong. If they knew WHICH disc had UREd then they could easily exclude it from the parity calculation and rebuild that dummy data on the fly with the spare parity, but the masking makes that impossible. The rebuild must fail at this point. At least you have your backups... hopefully.
Obviously the above situation will also be the same for a RAID5 array in normal usage or a degraded RAID6. Checking reads with parity, a masked URE means a failure with no way to recover. If you have an unmasked URE at least the drive controller can exclude the erroring disc for that stripe and just repair data silently using the remaining redundancy, knowing exactly where the error has come from. After all, it's logically just an EXPECTED disk event with a statistically low chance of happening, not necessarily an indication of impending disk failure unless it is happening frequently on the same disc. The only issue will be the astronomically unlikely chance of another URE occurring in the same stripe on another disc.
Fundamentally, a masked URE means you get bad data without any explanation of why a disc is returning it, which gives no information to the user (or to the RAID controller so it can take action or warn the user appropriately). For me, that's catastrophic. It all really depends on what the controllers do when they discover parity errors and UREs in rebuild situations and how robust their recovery algorithms are - an unmasked URE does not NEED to be a rebuild-killer for RAID6, as thank G*d you had a second redundancy disc...
Anyway, the question will be whether these new huge drives will, as you say, accumulate empirical evidence from users that array failures are happening more and more frequently. Without information from reviews like yours that warn against their use in RAID5 (or mirrors) despite the marketing as NAS products, the thought-experiment above suggests the most likely scenario is extremely widespread silent array corruption. I stand by my comment that this URE masking should be a total deal-breaker in considering them for home array usage. Better a disk that at least tells you it's errored. Reply
NonSequitor - Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - linkThat still doesn't add up - there are no unmasked UREs in my situation, as I'm using Linux software RAID. It is set to log any errors or reconstructions, and there are literally none. One of these arrays has a dozen scrubs on it now with no read errors whatsoever. Reply
m0du1us - Friday, July 25, 2014 - link@asmian This is why we run 28 disk arrays minimum for SAN. If you really want RAID6 to be reliable, you need A LOT of disks, no matter the size. Larger disks decrease your odds of rebuilding the array, that just means you need more disks. Also, you should never build a RAID6 array with less than 5 disks. At 5 disks, you get no protection from a disk failure during rebuild. At 12 disks, You can have 2 spares and 2 failures during rebuild before loosing data. Reply
NonSequitor - Friday, July 25, 2014 - linkYour comment makes no sense. A five disk RAID-6 is N+2. A 28 disk RAID-6 is N+2. More disks will decrease reliability. Our storage vendor advised keeping our N+2 array sizes between 12 and 24 disks, for instance: 12 disks as a minimum before it started impacting performance, 24 disks as a maximum before failure risks started to get too high. Our production experience has borne this out. Bigger arrays are actually treated as sets of smaller arrays. Reply
LoneWolf15 - Friday, July 25, 2014 - linkasmian, it totally depends on what you are building the array for, and how you are building it.
Myself, I'd use them for home or perhaps small business, but in a RAID 10 or RAID 6. Then I'd have some guaranteed security. That said, if I needed constant write performance (e.g., multiple IP cameras) I'd use WD RE, and if I wanted enterprise level performance, I'd use enterprise drives.
That, and I realize that RAID != backup strategy. I have a RAID-5 at home; but I sure as heck have a backup, too. Reply
tuxRoller - Monday, July 21, 2014 - linkHi Ganesh,
Would you mind listing the max power draw of these drives? That is, how much power is required during spin-up? Reply
WizardMerlin - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkIf you're not going to show the results on the same graph then for the love of god don't change the scale of the axis between graphs - makes quick comparison completely impossible. Reply
ganeshts - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkI have tried that before and the problem is that once all the drives are on the same scale, then some of them become really difficult to track absolute values across. Been down that road and decided the issues it caused are not worth the effort taken for readers (including me and my colleagues) to glance right and left on the axes side to see what the absolute numbers are. Reply
Iketh - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkwhat? why would they become difficult to "track absolute values" ?? Reply
ganeshts - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkI have seen graphs in preparation where some set of values are just dwarfed by the higher values from other result sets. What you see is basically a set of clustered points at the base (very close to the X axis), while there is a nicer graph with clearly spaced out values for the other result set in the middle of the graph. Trust me, I have done this and it doesn't look nice or present meaningful information to the readers. Reply
Fjodor2000 - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkAre there any measurements and comparison of the noise levels for these new WD HDDs?
Particularly for the WD Red 5 and 6 TB HDDs this would be interesting to know, and how they compare to the 4 platter WD Red 4 TB HDD. Reply
stevenrix - Tuesday, July 22, 2014 - linkAny kind of hard-drive will fail sooner or later, but the quality of hard-drives has been horrible for the last 5 years or maybe more, which is unfortunately expected since bigger hard-drives increase MTBF. The professional drives seem to fail faster than consumer drives from what I've seen: a 1 tb SAS drive 3.5 inch 15K speed can fail just about 2 months after purchasing it, because the platters spin faster and they are no other additional technical enhancements on these drives compared to consumer drives.
Out of probably 200 drives I've used over the last 2 decades, only one never failed and it is a WD 73 Gb in EIDE. After seeing so many failures, I decided to use RAID levels and backup my data on backup tapes.
There is also one important point: the replaced drives in the US is refurbished most of the time, while that's not the case in Europe, unless this has changed. Once you get a replacement, you can be sure that the drives will fail in less than 1 year, so those companies are defeating the purpose, replacing a drive by an old hard-drive that has been refurbished to meet satisfactory criterias, that is not good customer service without mentioning those monopolistic companies. A little bit more competition should be good for us consumers.
The only company so far I've been satisfied is with HGST.
jabber - Wednesday, July 23, 2014 - linkI live in Europe. Had a WD 75GB Raptor fail on me after a couple of years. The replacement was marked as 'Recertified'.
That replacement is still going nearly 7 years later as one of my stunt drives. You know the one or two drives you have laying around that get tossed into all sorts of projects. Just keeps on trucking. Reply
Jorsher - Thursday, July 24, 2014 - linkA lot of people seem to assume that new is better than "refurbished."
What they don't realize is that refurbished products tend to go through a much more thorough testing process than brand new products. This is just based on a couple consumer electronics companies I've worked at, with the largest being LG. New products go through a relatively quick test, and in many cases they only test a few out of each batch. Products that are sent back due to warranty are first put through a thorough test to determine what problems it has, then it's decided if it's worth repairing or not, then it's repaired, then it's put through another test -- for every one.
Since those experiences, I now buy factory-refurbished when possible. Reply
hwnmafia02 - Friday, July 25, 2014 - linkMan those companies provided you with such wonderful hardware and you can't even include the logos for each in the thank you section? Come on, now... Reply
Elmeransa - Saturday, July 26, 2014 - linkRunning 8*3TB WD Red since 2 years back, no issues at all in raid5 Reply
Haravikk - Monday, July 28, 2014 - linkOne thing that wasn't mentioned was noise; while there were several reasons for my choosing WD Reds for my Synology NAS (a DS212j with two 3tb disks simply concatenated for capacity since it's already a redundant backup). My main decision factors were that the WD Reds were a reasonable price (not too far above greens), but are also exceptionally quiet; except for when they're initially spinning up or spinning down I can't even hear them over the sound of the NAS' fan, and the fan is barely audible to begin with. Meanwhile I've known enterprise drives that are very noisy, as well as various desktop disks that sound like someone pouring gravel (during normal operation). Reply
swansearecovery - Monday, July 28, 2014 - linkThis post includes a great article on hard drives, truly brilliant. After reading the information given I have no second thought on that you people are also very good experts in handling the cases of Data Recovery from Hard Drive as well.
http://www.swanseadatarecovery.co.uk/hard-drive-re... Reply
intiims - Tuesday, December 30, 2014 - linkGreat topic with a lot of usefull information,
If You want To Read More About External Hard Drives just visit
http://www.hddmag.com/ Reply
riya_somani - Thursday, June 09, 2016 - linkThanks for explaining in such a detail, This is very useful information. Experienced users opinions also matters a lot. http://www.mouthshut.com/External-HardDisks is best to check user reviews of any hard disk. Reply


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As 2012 comes to a close, many of us begin thinking about personal resolutions we'd like to make and the things we would like to improve upon in the coming year. This time of reflection is also valuable for business owners and entrepreneurs. The year's end is a good time to also examine a company's business practices, policies and operations, and to consider changes that may help increase growth, improve efficiencies and contribute to a company's future success.
The first step is looking at results and data from the current year to determine the effectiveness of current practices, systems and customer relations. Ask yourself what changes and improvements the company can make to improve operations and increase cash flow.
Review company policies and practices
Begin by reviewing your company's credit, sales and collection policies. Look at each area, and identify ways you can potentially improve your process, so it can run more efficiently and profitably. Analyze daily tasks from start to finish, and ask questions. Can you centralize a process by product, task or client? Which makes more sense and improves efficiency?
Then, once you fine-tune the process, document it. Develop an internal procedure and policy manual for employees to refer to and update as needed. This will streamline your internal and external practices and improve the consistency in delivery of your product or service, which will help improve profits.
Review your customer's payment efficiency
Do you know how to evaluate if your clients are profitable? It's important to evaluate how your team's time is being spent. Some clients are more demanding and, thus, require more time. If this is the case, are you charging for the additional attention or is the client actually costing your firm time and money? In some cases, it may be more cost effective to resign the account.
To help determine the profitability of a client, track the average hours spent on each client per month, and review this on a quarterly basis. Doing so can quickly uncover high-maintenance clients and allow management the opportunity to review pricing to determine if the required yield is being met. After all expenses are allocated and subtracted from the revenue from each client, it is easy to then conduct a comparison of the clients and evaluate each quarter.
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If your customers are taking too long to pay, or accumulating outstanding invoices, this is costing your company money. If the problem is consistent, don't shy from using collection outsourcing companies or agencies to get the monies owed. While an outside agency will charge for its services, the alternative may be lower collection rates, higher borrowing and bad debt write-offs.
Looking back will move you forward
Reflecting on 2012 allows businesses to celebrate the year's successes and provides the opportunity to seek out solutions for working smarter and more profitably. After collecting the necessary data and assessing your company's policies and practices, think about what you can do better for your business in 2013. While sometimes drastic changes may be what it takes to turn your business around, sometimes simply an increased awareness of the inner workings of your company can make all of the difference.


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This Week (Group Starting Edition) - Service Projects
The school year is winding down, but it's never too late to start planning for next year, especially a service project. So, this week I'd like to talk a little bit about one of our specific focus areas: service. Service is a great way to not only to improve your campus and community but it is also a good way to strengthen your group and bond together. Service projects can be big or small, can involve just your group or can involve several, and can focus on many different things. So, having said that, let us dive into some of the more specific aspects of service.
Service is an important part of the Secular Student Alliance mission and it is an important part of what our affiliates do. In today's world where atheists and the non-religious are demonized, bullied, distrusted, and hated, it is important that we remind people that we are human beings just like everyone else and that we do work hard to improve our communities. Engaging in a service project then not only helps to improve your community and campus but it also helps to dispel some of the rumors and prejudices against atheists.
So, if you decide you want to engage in a service project, how do you go about doing one? Well, first off, I would recommend having a discussion in your group about how much time, effort, and resources you want to put into the project. Depending on your goals and the resources you have available, your project can either be large scale (like going across the country to help build houses in disaster areas) or it can smaller (like helping out at a local soup kitchen).
Once you decide what your aim and goals should be, you'll need to start brainstorming some ideas about what it is that you want to do. Say you've decided that you'd like to have a bake sale and raise money for a charity. You could ask your members if there are any causes or organizations that are special to them that they'd like to donate to. I know a group who had a member that suffered from a rare medical condition and their group worked with him to help raise money for a research and advocacy program for his disease. Perhaps your group is also really passionate about animals and wants to raise money for the ASPCA or perhaps you want to help raise money for Non-Believers Giving Aid (a group I highly recommend). No matter what activity you choose and what level of involvement you want, it's important to make sure that you have a clear cut idea of what your goals are and a specific organization or activity planned.
Once you have your goals in mind and an activity planned, you'll have to start planning it. This is where our campus organizing team can really help. Let's say that you are planning to do the fundraising idea that I talked about earlier. If you need help organizing your table, getting tabling supplies, coming up with ideas to attract people to your table, or anything else, we will be happy to help make it happen. Make sure to delegate specific tasks to people as well and make sure they follow through and get them done. Make a realistic time-table or schedule about when things need to be done and who is doing them (this goes for any activity, but especially for something as important as service).
Another thing you'll have to decide is if you want to involve another group or not. The student organization I ran at Wright State cooperated with both religious and non-religious groups to raise money for charity and work at soup kitchens. There are a lot of benefits to working with another organization, too. Firstly, they can help you organize, so all the work isn't on your shoulders. Secondly, their members can help you, too. This means that you won't have to worry about manning a table or going to the soup kitchen alone, because there will be more people to help. Thirdly, you now have not only your group's resources, but their resources to work with as well. Finally, it can add diversity, great conversation, and more when you work with different groups. That goes double for working with religious groups (which I highly recommend).
One last thing; another interesting idea you could try is to combine service with one of the other focus areas. For instance, what if you want to do something educational, but also incorporate service into it? Why not have a guest lecturer and sell tickets that can go to charity? Does your group want to combine activism and service? Raise money for a group that is helping fight for the separation of church and state. I highly encourage you to get creative when thinking about ideas for service. The more unique and tailored a service project is for your particular goals and mission, the more it'll benefit you and your community.
So, no matter what you choose to do, I believe that service is probably one of (if not the) most important aspect of this movement. It can really help break down a lot of the negative stereotypes that plague those of us who are non-religious. Service can be a great way to improve our community and have a hand in our future. And remember, volunteer work and community service look great on resumes and CV's, so if for no other reason, do it for your own self-interest!
And speaking of service projects, have you heard about the SSA's partnership with the Foundation Beyond Belief? We've teamed up to help support the Leukemia and Lymphoma Foundation's Light the Night Walk. We've helped organize all the materials you'll need to help you get started, so head over to our page and sign up! I hope you've found this useful, and as always, please let me know if you have any comments, questions, suggestions, concerns, or anything else. I look forward to seeing you all next week!


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My mom 77 years of age has been diagnosed with intrahepatic bile duct cancer about a month ago. The cause of it is partly due to her enlarged gallstone, her bile duct was blocked. She is suffering the symptoms of chills, fever, loss of appetite and weight. Jaundice has occurred twice ever since then. Saddest thing I witness is my mom's will to fight the disease. The doctor here in Brunei has said that a recission surgery is out of the question, moreso a chemo wouldn't be helpful.
I am adamant that my mom has more years to live, rather than we sit and wait for the time to come, according to the doctor - 6 - 12 months of survivability rate. I have come to terms that the risk is high, but I am sure out there, in this part of our world there is a specialist who would offer a ray of hope.
I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself to the group and hopefully, some of you out there can help me guide me and my family through this ordeal, both psychologically and emotionally. Our aim is to nurse back her strength, so that we can make the decision to send her for a recission treatment and chemo if possible.
I came across this forum I guess it would help me and my family learn and share knowledge from the people who are suffering from cholangiocarcinoma. I know it is hard for those who are suffering and those whose loved ones are suffering. I believe having a group discussion here would help and contribute.
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Christ is blessing with His right hand, His fingers formed into the shape of the Greek letters "IC XC", the Greek abbreviation for "Jesus Christ". His blessing hand is turned inward as if to remind us that He is the Great Blessing, granting us an opportunity to repent and inherit eternal life. He is holding a Book of the Gospels in His left arm. It is opened to the passages reading "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge with righteous judgement. (John 7:24) For with what judgement you judge, you shall be judged." (Matthew 7:2)
Christ is traditionally shown with a short beard and long dark hair parted in the middle. His expression is serious, but not without mercy. Christ's outer robe is blue, to symbolize His humanity which he put on in His Incarnation, and His inner robe is red, to represent His divinity that He always was in eternity.
Christ Our God is the Saviour of all men who would be saved and who acknowledge their sinfulness, their need to be saved in truth by their own cooperation, and thus truly repent "for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!"


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PODGORICA, Montenegro (AP) -- Blizzards blocked roads, stranded villages, disrupted power supplies and shut down an airport in the Balkans on Tuesday, the fourth straight day of tough winter weather in the region of southeastern Europe.
In one of the worst hit areas, snowdrifts and avalanches blocked roads in hilly northern Montenegro, where about a meter (3 feet) of snow fell overnight, officials said.
Across the border in southwestern Serbia, heavy snowfall blocked roads to more than a dozen villages, with some left without electricity and schools being closed for the rest of the week, officials said.
"We have got heavy machinery out and we are doing all we can," said emergency official Samir Bakic. "The wind is making the effort more difficult."
At least nine deaths across the region have been blamed on the snow and deep freeze, with temperatures as low as -15 Celsius (5 degrees Fahrenheit).
Elsewhere in Serbia, where snow began to fall Saturday, officials said road crews were still struggling to even clear the central squares of some cities.
Predrag Maric, Serbia's top emergency official, apologized on Tuesday for failing to clear roads over the weekend, when hundreds of people were stranded in buses and cars.
The milder climates of Montenegro's capital, Podgorica, and the nation's Adriatic coast usually escape tough winter weather, but snow is blanketing Podgorica, too, and closed its airport.
In Bosnia, some areas were left without electricity.
In Croatia, doctors warned the elderly and sick to stay indoors as hospitals reported dozens of cases of broken limbs from falls on the ice and snow.
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A report is out today from the National Audit Office, looking at supposed savings by the Ministry of Justice in the 2008/9 financial year. It reveals that the ministry's own internal audit team couldn't find any evidence of the savings in question:
The Ministry has reported that its value for money savings against the target for 2008-09 amounted to £329 million. In August 2009, the Ministry's Internal Audit team examined the evidence supporting the savings against criteria established by HM Treasury. Internal Audit found that underpinning documentary information was not available to support the value for money savings reported by the Ministry's business units and questioned whether the savings could be substantiated against HM Treasury's criteria.


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Every now and then orcas have been known to cruise around in Plettenberg Bay.
Plettenberg Bay in season is awash with international polo stars, local and international glitterati, captains of industry at leisure, and fancy guest houses and hotels.
But it has a parallel natural life that is even more attractive.
If you go out to sea with Ocean Blue Adventures, you'll encounter Bryde's whales, humpback whales, southern right whales and several species of dolphins – including rare Indo-Pacific humpback dolphins.
The Robberg Marine Protected Area, a long, natural peninsula, is also home to thousands of Cape fur seals.
'Plett', as it's fondly known locally, is roughly in the middle of the southern Cape coastline, and its high marine biodiversity is thanks to a lack of industrial pollution, a watchful ecotourism industry and a few natural assets, including a long coastal shelf and the beautiful Robberg peninsula, which is also a declared nature reserve.
Ocean Blue Adventures is one of the longest-running ecotourism operations in South Africa, and its responsible tourism credentials are certified by Fair Trade in Tourism South Africa.
It offers boat trips to look at dolphins and whales (and has a licence to approach whales up to 50m away). Sometimes the boat may find itself amid thousands (literally) of common dolphins on a hunt – an unforgettable experience.
Bryde's whales, although not as charismatic as the southern right whales, can be seen most of the year. In winter (May to August), of course, the southern right and humpback whales grab the limelight.
If you'd like a closer encounter, you could try sea-kayaking amid frolicsome seals and perhaps a few curious bottlenose dolphins.
But Ocean Blue Adventures is not only focused on things marine. In partnership with the Qolweni Community Development Trust, it offers cultural tours of the Qolweni township.
At this township, in the lee of the spectacular Tsitsikamma Mountains, you'll encounter singing pre-schoolers, get an insight into the life of a traditional healer, and visit the communal vegetable gardens.
You'll meet some of the enterprising women of the township, and can even stay at a local guest house, or enjoy a glass of beer in the shebeen.
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Who to contact
Ocean Blue Adventures
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How to get here
Plettenberg Bay is along the Garden Route, about five hours' drive along the N2 east from Cape Town or about three hours' drive westwards from Port Elizabeth.
Ocean Blue Adventures' boats depart from Central Beach.
Best time to visit
If you're interested in whales, come between July and November. This is when the southern rights and humpbacks visit the coastline. It's also a good time to see dolphins.
What will it cost
Whale-watching tours cost approx. R650 per person (R350 per child under 12). Dolphin encounters cost approx. R400 per adult (and R200 per child). A sea-kayaking adventure costs approx. R250 per person. A township tour costs approx. R150 per person.
Length of stay
Most of the excursions vary between one and two hours.
Where to stay
Plettenberg Bay has many accommodation options from upmarket hotels to charming guest houses, but you may want to have a grassroots experience and stay in the Qolweni township.
Best buys
You'll find various handmade items at Qolweni, while Ocean Blue has a fascinating little shop (which is also the rendezvous point) in Plettenberg Bay.


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A group of technology companies, including Apple, Facebook and Google, was approved for a $527 million deal to buy up Eastman Kodak Co.'s 1,000 digital patents. Read »
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Wash. Post ombudsman: NOM profile "fell short," "deprived readers of hearing from" other side
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From a September 6 column by Washington Post ombudsman Andrew Alexander:
I agree that the story fell short, but not because Hesse was naïve or lacked journalistic diligence. In retracing her reporting, it's clear the research was extensive. And some details about her personal life seem to belie claims she has a conservative agenda (more on that later).
Rather, this is a case where three things -- a storytelling concept, a writing technique and a bad headline -- combined to ignite reader reaction as vitriolic as any I've experienced in my seven months as ombudsman.
Hesse said she decided to let Brown tell his story, as opposed to extensively quoting what others say about him. Her editors didn't object to the concept. Having Brown's story told in his "voice," Hesse reasoned, would allow readers to best assess his arguments.
Fine in theory. But it deprived readers of hearing from others who have battled Brown and find him uncivil and bigoted. To them, he represents injustice. They should have been heard, at length.
"In a profile piece, for a controversial figure like that . . . there should certainly be the other side of it," said Fred Karger, head of a group called Californians Against Hate.
In retrospect, Style editor Lynn Medford agrees. "The lesson is to always, in some way, represent the other side," she said.
Karger, who has fought with Brown over same-sex marriage in California, said, "He is just as shrill, just as anti-gay as any of the leading gay-bashers" have been over the years.
Compounding the story's problems were passages like: "He takes nothing personally. He means nothing personal. He is never accusatory or belittling."
These types of unattributed characterizations are not uncommon in feature writing. But many readers thought Hesse was offering her opinion of who Brown is, as opposed to portraying how he comes across.
Finally, the headline: "Opposing Gay Unions With Sanity & a Smile." To many readers, The Post was saying Brown's views are sane. The headline, written by editors, not Hesse, should have been neutral.
Hesse is a gifted writer, as can be seen in a piece about her marriage in today's Post Magazine. At 28, she's one of Style's rising stars. But she was rocked by the angry reaction to the Brown story and spent most of last week responding to unhappy readers. Especially sensitive to accusations of a "homophobic agenda," her e-mails offered a glimpse into her personal life.
"My current partner is a man," she wrote them. "Before him, my partner of two years was a woman, with whom I discussed health insurance, kids, houses and marriage. You can bet that I found the fact that our marriage wouldn't have been legal to be wrong as hell.
"That doesn't mean that what NOM is trying to do and how they are trying to do it are not important to hear about," she wrote.
Even more the Washington Post left out of its NOM profile
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INDABA: Day Two
Quest didn't pull any punches in the wide-ranging discussion that covered issues of security, politics, morality, value for money and perception in the African travel market.
Hot topics included the lack of gay rights in Uganda and whether this should impact on travel decisions and the need for more open skies and speedier visa applications in Africa.
The panellists were economist Mike Schussler, branding guru Thebe Ikalafeng, Helena Egan of TripAdvisor and South African Tourism CEO Thulani Nzima.
Wrapping up the discussion, Quest said the reason he had returned to INDABA was because South Africa was one of the few places where such a free-ranging debate could be held without any restrictions placed on it.
A good way to celebrate this year's INDABA theme of celebrating 20 years of democracy.
Glad you are enjoying it!
@EnrichingTravel Excellent Global Media Face Off at #indaba2014 @richardquest pic.twitter.com/PfvEswZYzF
— SATravelTrade (@SATravelTrade)
May 11, 2014
Most NB thing for me is mere fact we can have this debate, says
@richardquest at #INDABA2014 #GMFO Few countries in Africa that have that.
— SATravelTrade (@SATravelTrade)
May 11, 2014
TripAdvisor releases some interesting statistics
With INDABA in full swing, TripAdvisor came out with some interesting statistics about travellers to South Africa, showing that Limpopo, the Eastern Cape and Cape Town were top of the list for destinations in the country.
These results confirmed another study that showed that South Africa is on the wish-list for travellers from Germany, Switzerland, Austria and France, with increasing interest from Chinese and German-speaking European markets.
Competitor analysis showed that the US, UK and the Caribbean top the list of alternative inbound markets for travellers researching South Africa on TripAdvisor.
The TechTalks once again proved popular. Charlie Ballard, research director for TripAdvisor, spoke about online trends in South Africa and the rest of Africa. He spoke of the big shift to using mobile devices to research travel Africa in 2013, and how there is an increase in TripAdvisor reviews submitted from South Africa every year.
@TripAdvisor we have observed that the needs of travellers are changing," Charlie Ballard #INDABA2014 #TECHtalks pic.twitter.com/fzVfseLp4F
— SATravelTrade (@SATravelTrade)
May 11, 2014
Chris Whitley from the BBC focused on the value of good content and the massive rise in the use of mobile devices. He emphasised the importance of knowing what you want to communicate and how you want to communicate it; it's all about the story you want to tell.
"Pick the right social media plarforms and the right resources," Chris Whitley
#INDABA2014 #TECHtalks pic.twitter.com/q2xhxXNX2J
— SATravelTrade (@SATravelTrade)
May 11, 2014
There was also a talk by two of the #MeetSouthAfrica bloggers on how bloggers are doing destination marketing.
"Bloggers can convey the emotions of a destination," says
@budgettraveller during his #INDABA2014 Techzone talk.
— SATravelTrade (@SATravelTrade)
May 11, 2014
Inanda media excursion
On Saturday, members of the media were treated to a day trip to Inanda, to visit a number of important historical sites. The first stop was at Sarvodaya, the house Mahatma Gandhi, built in Phoenix for his family.
The next stop was the Ohlange Institute, just a short distance away, founded by Reverend John Langalibalele Dube, who was also the founder and first president of the African National Congress. The history of this famous South African essayist, philosopher, educator, politician, publisher, editor, novelist and poet was well told by tour guide Mandla Nxumalo, who had a special connection to the site. It was here that Nelson Mandela chose to cast his vote in South Africa's first democratic election in 1994, in honour of his hero Dube.
I'm in Inanda, learning loads about John Dube, ANC founder and one of the fathers of democracy in SA
#INDABA2014 pic.twitter.com/9WRkOodHMj
— Stuart Buchanan (@StuBuSA)
May 11, 2014
I'm standing in the room where Madiba cast his vote in 1994. He chose Inanda in honour of John Dube
#INDABA2014 pic.twitter.com/doTmaXAfrF
— Stuart Buchanan (@StuBuSA)
May 11, 2014
experiencing the life and times of MAHATMA GHANDI @ Inanda Durban
#MeetSouthAfrica #INDABA2014 pic.twitter.com/NRBBS7TDRP
— Mohammed Abdullahi (@02monami)
May 11, 2014
New grading category
The Tourism Grading Council of South Africa launched a new grading category for game lodges and gave invaluable feedback on the star grading system in South Africa which has more than 6 000 establishments signed up for the voluntary system and 113 074 rooms graded. The gradings are reviewed annually.
And it just happened to be Mother's Day
Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers at #INDABA2014 and to those who work in the travel trade
— SATravelTrade (@SATravelTrade) May 11, 2014
Watch the video below for some of day one's highlights.


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DM Playhouse's Final Act Ensemble Presents THE GIFT OF THE MAGI and A CHRISTMAS CAROL Radio Plays, 12/17
The Final Act Ensemble, a Des Moines Community Playhouse troupe that performs classic and original radio plays, will present "The Gift of the Magi" and "A Christmas Carol" at the Des Moines Community Playhouse, 7:00 PM, Monday, Dec. 17. Tickets for the hour-long show are $5 for all ages and will be sold at the door. The performance is recommended for ages eight years old and up.
The troupe will open the holiday program with O. Henry's "The Gift of the Magi." James and Della Young are down to their final pennies on Christmas Eve in Washington, D.C. Somehow, they manage to find each other the perfect Christmas gifts, learning that being rich in love is what really matters.
Next, Charles Dickens' classic tale, "A Christmas Carol," is brought to life. One cold Christmas Eve night, the ghost of Jacob Marley visits his former business partner, Ebenezer Scrooge. Scrooge has grown stingy and cruel, and the ghost of Marley warns Scrooge to change his wicked ways. Soon, three more specters, the ghosts of Christmas Past, Christmas Present, and Christmas Future, visit Scrooge to show him scenes from his lonely life. After these travels, Scrooge awakes in the morning a changed man: kind and generous.
The Playhouse's Final Act Ensemble is comprised of senior citizens who perform radio scripts for both young and old throughout Central Iowa. Their live shows are filled with sound effects, enthusiasm, and character voices as they recreate the feel of a 1940s radio play.
The Playhouse is Iowa's oldest and largest producing theatre. Located at the 42nd Street exit of I-235, the theatre has presented a full season of shows since 1919 and also offers a wide variety of educational experiences including classes for ages 4 to adult, theatre trips to New York, and volunteer opportunities onstage and backstage.
For more information on the Final Act Ensemble, contact Kathy Pingel at 515-974-5359. For more information on the Des Moines Community Playhouse and "The Gift of the Magi" and "A Christmas Carol," contact the ticket office at 515-277-6261.


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PC STEVE Duffy, who pursued and caught three of the Deacon & Son robbers in Marlborough last September, has had his 20 years of service to Wiltshire Police recognised.
PC Duffy, who joined the force as an officer in Swindon in 1993, was at the centre of the pursuit for two of the five men involved in the robbery, who fled across the grounds of Great Western Hospital.
The men, who have now all pleaded guilty to the offence, crashed a car on the A419 slip road close to the hospital before making off into the wooded area in the surrounding land.
The officer, who works with the dogs unit, said: "We heard a car had crashed and people had decamped.
"One had been chased by an officer and detained, but there was another who had been seen running off. I took Bertie (his dog) down there and she located a scent track. We tracked one of them to some thick hedges and brambles.
"It was so thick I couldn't see him, but the dog had got round and was barking for my attention. He was shouting for me to call the dog back because she was biting him.
"It's always exciting when you get someone you're after – it's why you are in the job.
"I told him to climb out and I drew my taser just in case, because I knew he was a robber and might have been armed.
How we reported the incident
"He was treated for his dog bite, whilst the dog found another scent track for another of the robbers.
"We had been told he was making his way towards Junction 15 of the M4. We had to crawl through tiny holes in hedges to catch up with him – it's all good fun.
"The helicopter was helping us by this point, with its thermal imaging, tracking ahead of my position to give me information as we pursued him.
"We eventually found him in some really thick brambles towards Day House Lane. It was difficult to see how it was even possible to get into a hedge like that. His skin was in bits.
"We also found another scent track for a third man, but only got a coat from that, but it was all vital evidence. A balaclava too, which had been left on a hedge."


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Easter Desserts for Everyoneby Dana Angelo White in Uncategorized, March 30, 2012
Whenever a crowd gathers for a holiday celebration, there are bound to be guests with various dietary considerations or food allergies. Accommodate everyone on your Easter celebration guest list this year with these seasonal treats.
Gluten Free
Creamy rice pudding is teamed up with sweet cherries for a magical (and gluten free) combination.
Recipe: Rice Pudding with Cherries (*see note)
Heart Healthy
Low in saturated fat and cholesterol, this down-sized classic will make your guests swoon.
Recipe: Pineapple Upside Down Cupcakes
Straight from the Easter bunny, these cupcakes are just as fun to make as they are to eat.
Recipe: Robin's Egg Easter Basket Cupcakes
Diabetic Friendly
Like chocolate hazelnut spread? Turn it into cookies, each with only 11 grams of carbs.
Recipe: Chocolate Hazelnut Drop Cookies
Dairy Free
A fresh take on macaroons, munch on 'em with coffee or tea.
Recipe: Peanut Butter-Jam Macaroons
Refreshing and simple – a delightful way to end a meal.
Recipe: Meyer Lemon Granita
*Note: Be sure to check labels on all ingredients to make sure that particular brand does not contain gluten or was processed in a facility that also processes wheat products
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Dana Angelo White, MS, RD, ATC, is a registered dietitian, certified athletic trainer and owner of Dana White Nutrition, Inc., which specializes in culinary and sports nutrition. See Dana's full bio »


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Responsible for translating functional requirements and high-level design of components and modules into a developed and tested, multi-tier solution, including user interface, business logic and database. Implement solutions on the MS .NET platform, within an existing application development framework. Provide support to Sr Software Engineer and/or Technical Architect during systems development lifecycle.
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Chippewa Boots® is credited with developing the Engineer Boot in the 1930's. The name comes from their original use by, among other people, land surveyors. These boots feature durable leather with very little break-in time. The Texon insole is lightweight and abrasion resistant. The black Chippewa #475 nitrile sole was developed by Chippewa with Vibram and has been used for many years. It has a flat surface for better surface contact, and is made with a heavy duty nitrile rubber compound. This sole is very durable and can be used in just about any application.
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The superior Creation inside the mechanisms of protons and neutrons which are inside the atoms, the basis of cells and the quarks inside these is such as to amaze everyone, believer or not.
Air, water, mountains, animals, plants, your body, the chair you sit in short everything you see, touch and feel, from the heaviest to the lightest is made up of atoms.
Every page of the magazine you hold in your hand consists of atoms. Atoms are such small particles that it is impossible to see one even with a microscope. The diameter of an atom is only one in a million of a millimeter.
It is not possible for a human being to visualize this smallness. So we can try to explain it with an example:
Think that you have a key in your hand. No doubt, it is not possible to see the atoms inside this key. If you say that you want to see the atoms, you have to maximize the key to the size of the Earth. If the key in your hand is maximized to the size of the Earth, only then each atom inside it reaches the size of a cherry so that you can see them.
Let's give one more example to comprehend this smallness and to see how everywhere is full of atoms:
Let's think that we want to count all the atoms of a single grain of salt. And assume that we are fast enough to count one billion (1.000.000.000) per second. Despite this remarkable ability, we would require more than five hundred years in order to determine the number of atoms inside it.
So what is inside such a small structure?
Even though it is such small, inside the atom there is a perfect, unique and complex system that can be compared to the system in the universe.
Every atom is composed of a nucleus and electrons that turn around the orbits far away from the nucleus. There are also particles called protons and neutron inside the nucleus.
Perfect Structure of Quarks
Until 20 years ago, it was supposed that protons and neutrons are the smallest particles that form the atom. However, at a very near date, it was discovered that there are smaller particles that form these particles inside the atom.
Following this discovery, a field of physics called "particle physics", which explores the sub-particles inside the atom and their movements, came up. The research done by particle physics has brought about this: The protons and neutrons that make up the atom are composed of smaller particles called "quark."
The size of the quarks that compose the proton, which is far smaller than the human mind can comprehend, is even more astonishing: 10–18 meters. (0,000000000000000001)
Quarks inside the proton cannot be drawn away from one another so much; because the "strong nuclear power" that hold the small particles inside the nucleus together takes affect here as well. This power acts like an elastic band between quarks. When the quarks draw apart this power grows and two quarks can only drift 1 meter away from one another at the most. These elastic bands between the quarks are formed as a result of gluons that carry the strong nuclear power. The quarks and gluons are in strong communication with one another. But scientists have not yet discovered how this communication takes place. (Harun Yahya, Miracle in the Atom)
Several researches are being done in the field of "particle physics" in order to illuminate the world of particles. But mankind can only recently discover this substance that forms everything in spite of all the intelligence, consciousness and knowledge he has. Moreover, as he goes further inside this substance, he becomes stuck at the 10–18 m threshold of this particle. So what is under this threshold?
Today, scientists suggest various arguments about this subject, but as we have mentioned above, this threshold is the final point of the physical universe. Everything that will be found under this can only be expressed with energy, not with matter. The real important point is that in this place where human beings have just came to discover, vast balances and physical laws work like a clock. In addition this place is the inside of the atom that is the building stone of all matter and human beings.
People are just recently aware of this perfect mechanism that work every second in the organs and systems of the body. The mechanisms of the cells that make up these systems have been discovered in the last ten years. The superior creation inside the mechanisms of protons and neutrons inside the atoms of cells and the quarks inside these is such as to amaze everyone, believer or not. The most important subject to think about here is that this perfect mechanism works smoothly without any interference by and out of the control of a human being, every second of his life. It is an explicit fact for people with intelligence and conscience that all these are created by Allah Who has superior power and knowledge and controlled by Allah. It is revealed in the verse:
"Everyone in the Heavens and earth requests His aid. Every day He is engaged in some affair. So which of your Lord's blessings do you both then deny?" (Surat Ar-Rahman, 29-30)


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Hi,I am working on a and the li is acting strange.As it is, the li should be floating to each other which it does but one li don't let anything float next to it. there isn't any clear property. What is wrong?
Hey nofel
If you're talking about the list items in the products-grid, then what I'm saying should apply.
The problem is that you are trying to float items that are belonging to different lists together.
Your HTML code goes like this:

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There are two ways to fix this problem1) Make sure your lists are only 3 item wide (If you don't want to change anything else)2) Do not create separate uls. Instead, place all of your li into one single ul.
Hope this helps.
As correctly mentioned above you have 4 items in a ul so every ul will start on a new line leaving one orphaned list item. You need then all in one list or as mentioned above put them three across only.
You have a big issue with your images in that some are over 1300k!!! That's more than the whole css, html, js, images and other resources for most whole small sites. That thumbnail image should be about 2k in size not 1300k+. You have similar images of much to large a file size. Make your thumbnail images smaller in your paint package and optimise them down to a few k each and your page will load in a flash .:)
Thanks zell and paul, i will look into it. paul can you remove the hyperlink. i don't want site to be indexed.
Ok removed this time but just obfuscate a little in future (e.g. mysitexxxdotxxxcom ) and then people can still work out the link but search engines won't
Fine thanks and still here Hope you are well also A little busy at the moment though.[/ot]
I tried but i don't see any code, maybe its dynamic as its magento. is there a css hack which can make it display none? like if i use nth-child? will it do?
Why would you want to hide the 4th item? No one will see it then.
You could use nth-child or more simply last-child if you always have 4 items but it seems strange to hide your content.
my bad, i was wrong. i mean to say clear 4th item.anyhow i was able to style it with different thing and i fixed it, though i couldn't find extra pair of li that you pointed out. here is what it look like now (genuinelyjanestudiosdotammarworxdotcom/retail-store)


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Shopping by bike in Oz
As part of my work for CTC's Cycle Logistics project, I have just written to the larger multiple retailers (supermarkets to me and you), offering them the chance to play a part in helping to encourage more people to shop by bike.
We aim to help more people to use bikes as part of their everyday routine and to enable supermarkets and shops to provide cyclists with more welcoming facilities.
That is why I like Mike Rubbo's 10 minute film about shopping in Sydney. It shows just how easy and enjoyable shifting stuff by bike can be and how it boosts the economy too.
, like the UK, Australia has a long way to go before it reaches the level of cycling seen in the Netherlands.
However, it would be great to see this kind of cycling become more popular in the UK and I truly believe shopping by bike could breathe life back into our high streets.
Just imagine, towns and cities with streets are overflowing with bikes. Markets, supermarkets and the humble high street, all with full to busting bike racks. Bikes with panniers and baskets stuffed with shopping...
Sounds like an unobtainable ideal doesn't it? But if more people chose the bike as their default mode of transport for this kind of trip, it would become a reality. Urban space would be freed up, we'd have towns that were quieter, cleaner, and nicer places to live - who doesn't want that? I know I certainly do.


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UPDATE: Police have identified the male found near train tracks in the Rosedale area as 26-year-old George Thomas McAleer of the 1100 block of Quantril Way in Baltimore.
Original Release:
The Baltimore County Police Department is currently investigating the death of a male victim found near train tracks in the Rosdedale area.
On March 4, at approximately 5:48 p.m., Baltimore County Police were dispatched to the 200-block of Philadelphia Avenue, 21236 for an injured subject. The police investigation revealed that an unidentified adult male victim was standing in the area of the train tracks, when he was accidentally struck by a train that was passing by. It appears that the subject did not hear the train coming down the track at a high rate of speed. The police investigation also revealed that the victim was in possession of a stolen 4-wheel ATV that broke down on him next to the tracks just prior to the accident.
The victim, believed to be from the Dundalk area, was pronounced dead at the scene. The victim is not being identified at this time pending the notification of the next of kin.
This accident highlights the danger of people trespassing upon railroad property. Citizens are being asked to stay away from all railway property in Baltimore County.
Train traffic through the area was interrupted and is now operating at restricted speeds through the area.
No additional information is available at this time.