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Acer T232HL - Touch Comes to the Desktopby Chris Heinonen on 2/6/2013 9:00 AM EST
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zero2dash - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkHorrible decision.
That thing will be filthy in hours. Reply
Flunk - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkYou can't have a touchscreen with a matte finish, the two features have to go together. If you don't like it you can always get a matte non-touchscreen there are lots of those on the market. Reply
JanieMartin - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkLove my job, since I've been bringing in $5600… I sit at home, music playing while I work in front of my new iMac that I got now that I'm making it online.(Click Home information)
http://goo.gl/q9r5k Reply
Beaver M. - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkFunny, I have one of those right here. Works fine. Given it is also transflexive, but it is matte. Reply
Beaver M. - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkTransflective of course. Reply
shtldr - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkI've seen a matte touch desktop display about 7 years ago. It was probably the resistive type as one had to use some force.
Not sure if they're still being produced with all this tablet/smartphone glass capacitive fad of late, but they can be had. Reply
Tams80 - Friday, February 08, 2013 - linkAbsolute rubbish! I'm using a Tablet PC with a matte touchscreen right now. Reply
roberto.tomas - Tuesday, February 19, 2013 - linkIs that true for proj. capacitive as well as optical? 2-point multitouch systems should probably need glossy, because they are optical. But 10-point is usually more expensive projective capacitive (and I didn't know if they needed matted too).
My take on the monitor: horrible, disturbingly bad color gamut for a monitor that is glossy. The sRGB % for this thing is as low as a $60 commodity 11.6" laptop matte from AUO. But; full 10-point multitouch in the sub-$1 grand range, good range of pivot, and not entirely small 23". I'm lukewarm to the thing, if it went onf half off sale I might pick one up ... maybe. Reply
Homeles - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkRead the article, genius:
"I worried a lot about fingerprints and smudges with the glossy finish, but I didn't find myself having to clean it that often, and typically they were hidden away well." Reply
zero2dash - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkWhen you grow up, have sex, and have kids, you'll realize that glossy screens get fingerprints all over them.
Maybe this monitor works for 1 person who cleans their hands every five minutes.
In a normal household with more than 1 person and normal use, the thing would be filthy in no more than 24 hours. I have fingerprints on all my monitors, flat screens, and every other glossy screen device in our house...and half of those devices aren't even touch screens. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkWhen you grow up and have kids, you'll realize that ANY and ALL touchscreens will get filthy if you let your kids use them. Matte screens will be just as bad -- says the guy with three kids (10, 3, 1) who have already left more than their fair share of fingerprints on my matte displays. Reply
zero2dash - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkIt's a lot less noticeable on matte displays though, which is why I'm surprised anyone would release a touchscreen with a glossy coating.
It's bad enough that every smartphone and tablet is inherently glossy, but a monitor is even worse. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkLenovo had a matte finish on a touchscreen at CES that I liked, but I'm still curious how such a finish will hold up over the long term. I look at my keyboards and the smooth, glossy appearance on the well-used keys, or the glossed out spots on laptop palm rests that have been around the block for a year or two, and I can't help but think the same thing will happen to an LCD with a matte finish -- and it won't wear evenly, so you'll get glossy sections where people have used the screen more. Ever notice that no one does matte smartphones or tablets? Reply
Sabresiberian - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkI disagree entirely with this.
I have 2 27" monitors, a Dell U2711 and a Overlord X270OC. The first comes with a fairly heavy anti-reflective screen, the second is glossy. While the Dell is better in every other way (and cost a lot more money) except the fact I can't overclock it to 120Hz, the anti-glare is awful.
The least amount of dirt on it makes the screen look, well, dirty. And, it's a pain in the butt to clean becasue it takes getting every little bit of dirt and grease off it to make it look clean again. The Overlord though is super easy to clean; a little spot doesn't turn into a smear of yuck, it just comes off.
Now, the industry seems to have gotten the message here, and even Dell's replacement of the U2711 has a much lighter anti-glare. I really think this is the right way to go. (I don't understand why they had to figure it out again when people got the idea back in the days of the CRT. My Sony GDM FW900 has a coating which in my opinion is perfect, easy to clean and cuts down on the worst of the reflections without being too heavy.)
Now, I don't use my monitors as touch screens, obviously, and what looks worse to one person will be different than another, but the decision between the 2 for me (a really anti-glare screen or a glossy one) would be hands down glossy for touch use. They are both going to get dirty, but the glossy will be far easier to clean - and, in my opinion the anti-glare looks worse when clean, and looks much worse when dirty.
As far as kids - well, most of them don't care one way or the other, and they will NOT be using my screens, they will be using their own, so it's not an issue in my house. Reply
theduckofdeath - Saturday, April 13, 2013 - linkIf you touch anything with greasy fingers, it will get dirty. Doesn't matter whether it's a matte or glossy display. Monitor or smartphone. Reply
designerfx - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkmaybe you don't understand what happens to a glossy finish. the fact that he had to clean it at all simply tells you that it is an actual problem. Reply
lexluthermiester - Friday, February 08, 2013 - linkI'm with you on that one. I can't stand it when people touch my screen. where it comes to my PC, NOTHING annoys me more than fingerprints on my screen! And while I acknowledge that I may be an extreme, I'm far from alone. And some people really think touch screens will become? Good grief I hope not! Reply
lexluthermiester - Friday, February 08, 2013 - linkwill become the norm?* Reply
SNORK - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkI have never been able to tolerate it when my wife, my kids or now my grandkids have to touch the monitor to point at something. Let's now view everything with 4k monitors through finger prints and jelly smudges.
"The radar's jammed sir". Reply
DanNeely - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkI've occasionally wondered if it would be possible to charge up the front of a monitor with a Tesla coil without interfering with its use as a display. Reply
EJ257 - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkOr just put a label on the bezel that say "Screen coated with contact poison" Reply
DanNeely - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - link*laugh*expect people to read*laugh*not to mention expecting them to believe it*laugh*
After a few shocks most will get the hint. Reply
cjs150 - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkTake away the touch screen and what you have is a poor monitor. Out of the box it is just not good enough, with correct calibration it becomes adequate and because of the touch gimmick overpriced
Then there is the touch gimmick. On my work computer, which only has a 17" screen, I have placed at a comfortable distance to read, which means to touch it I would have to lean forward. On a bigger screen it would be even further back.
W8 on the desktop will no doubt be a benefit for chiropractors and physiotherapists having to deal with the RPI injuries caused in the workplace caused by dealing with touch screen, for anyone else touch on a desktop is of very doubtful use. Reply
Homeles - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkThere's essentially a whole half of an operating system that is designed around touch. There are plenty of applications where a touch screen is useful. It is unfortunate that you appear to be unable to come up with any besides the asinine benefit of lining the pockets of doctors. Reply
Zak - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - link@Homeles: I take it you actually tried using a large desktop monitor with touch GUI for real work and extended period of time and actually liked it? Reply
Kiste - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkNeither chiropractors nor physiotherapists are usually doctors. In fact, chiropractors are mere quacks.
Other than that, why don't you name a couple of these applications where a touch screen is useful and offers a clear benefit over mouse on a desktop computer?
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cjs150 - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkHomeles: if you look at tablets and smartphones there are many examples of applications that work well with touch but when you are talking about a WORK desktop you should consider what the majority of people actually do on the computer:
word processing
data entry
graphic manipulation (if you work in media)
Graphic manipulation requires precision which lends itself to a graphic tablet and the rest involve typing which means a keyboard and if you ever tried word processing using touch you will understand why a mouse and a keyboard is better Reply
ejdrouillard - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkIf I'm spending over $500 on a monitor, I expect way more than 1080p. Reply
Golgatha - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkFor a primary display, I would absolutely not want a touch screen. I agree with the previous posters about kids. I have 2 of them and I have to clean the tablet, iTouch, and laptop screens (not to mention my desktop's mouse) on a regular basis. 24hrs and that screen would be filthy.
Now if I could have a cheap secondary screen that was wireless, I might be interested as it could replace a tablet in the house. The range on such a device would need to be pretty exceptional though. Reply
HardwareDufus - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkActually I plan on buying this monitor to preemptively solve crimes like Tom Cruise in Minority Report. Reply
djshortsleeve - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkIf you want to use Windows 8 with touch, get an AIO. IMO, touchscreens are pointless in a desktop where your main use is gaming or some sort of production.
$500, are you kidding? Reply
wperry - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - link"The Dell U2312HM, which is also IPS and performs better on all tests, is available for $225 online. "
Seems a bit disingenuous to say that it's a poor value and cite the above... while ignoring the fact that Dell also has a 23" 1920x1080 IPS touchscreen at $699 (model S2340T). Reply
cheinonen - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkI don't have any performance data on the Dell touch-screen, but I do on the U2312HM. My concern wasn't with touch, but with the poor uniformity and light output for the price. Reply
wperry - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkThat statement was taken from a paragraph explicitly addressing the value proposition that this product presents. The main difference between this product and most of the hundreds of monitors already on the market is touch capability. Ignoring that when addressing value is a disservice to the product and to the readers of Anandtech, all of whom, I would assume, already know that non-touch monitors can be had for far less than the price of this Acer. It would probably be more fair to do a little bit of legwork and present the prices of the direct competitors while explaining that they haven't yet been tested. Reply
Defhammer - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkReading this article reinforces a thought I had about a use case for touchscreens in a multi-monitor desktop setup.
I think what would work is a small touchscreen monitor that sits right next to the keyboard.
Take for example a setup of 3 big normal monitors and a small touch screen directly to the left of the keyboard . The small touch screen has your live tiles and your desktop icons. Using a touch gesture, you can control which monitor that desktop application opens on (eg. flicking the icon to the upper left will open that application to the left monitor).
In this configuration, the live tiles allow you to check on things at a glance and the big monitors can focus on the work on hand. It also gives the ability of using modern UI apps in a non-obtrusive manor.
The setup also removes the need to dragging a window to the correct monitor after you open it.
In the end you essentially have a fancy app launcher and a notifications screen that can run modern UI apps.
How valuable the added functionality would be is questionable, but I think it works better than reaching to the main monitor and poking at it. Reply
The0ne - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkThis is how my PC set up is with two monitors. One is my main while the other is more for display. This includes movies, music and info that I really just need to glance at occasionally and have easily, simple navigation. That is where Windows 8 metro comes in. I love it on the 2nd monitor. I don't have to move my mouse away from the desktop environment on my main screen but just use my fingers to swipe, navigate, pause, play, forward, whatever. It's quick and easy and gets rarely gets me sidetracked from what I'm currently doing.
I am thoroughly enjoying this setup and having 30" LCD's is a huge bonus as to what I use them for. Bing maps is a pleasure to browse through because of the fluidity for example :) And although I still think the desktop/metro integration is poor when you have to switch between the two, having them separate either as a main display or from multiple displays is a huge bonus. And if ever you need more desktop space, it's only a shortcut key press away or a tap. Reply
QQBoss - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkI tried to patent something like this when I worked at a major computer company- a visual touch pad with programmable or user configurable icons/pictures, basically a mini-touch screen exactly like you suggest.
I was told by the big bosses that touch screens would never be meaningful on the desktop and too expensive on a notebook, so they refused to file for it... about 10 years ago. Sigh. Reply
Death666Angel - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - link2nd page: "I found the experience a bit strange and even often, and I imagine many people moving onto Windows 8 may have a similar initial reaction."
Seems like it's missing something after "even often"? :)
Good review though! But not my kind of product. :D Reply
random2 - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkHope you don't think this to anal, but if it were my name on the article I'd like to know.
" I found the experience a bit strange and even often, and I imagine many people moving onto Windows 8 may have a similar initial reaction."
I've also recently installed Win-8 on laptop so I can get familiarized with it. Until your article I never really thought of the issues that might occur trying to set up Win-8 on a multiple monitor set-up.
I'm still trying to rationalize the need for a touch screen PC vs the speed and efficiency of a PC or LT used in conjunction with keyboard shortcuts and a mouse. I guess at my age I really don't care if I look like I'm on the deck of a space cruiser with may arms flailing about in front of a glass panel. Like Vista it's not likely this will ever be my primary OS.
Thanks again Chris for another no nonsense review. Reply
Beaver M. - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkThere is no reason. I think the main reason is that MS is panicking when they look at the tablet market. Also they saw a few science fiction movies and thought it would be cool, not thinking about actual usability. Reply
pandemonium - Wednesday, February 06, 2013 - linkThe only way I can use a touchscreen for a desktop computer will be with a drawing table layout with the screen actually in the desk. *patent!!* Reply
Operandi - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkBring on 4K IPS/VA panels and stop making worthless crap. Reply
Dribble - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkIt just doesn't work. You want your arms relaxed in front of you - hence the design for mice + keyboards.
Where touch screens work you tend to be looking down at them and have them close to your body so you arms stay relaxed. This is not the case for a desktop monitor - you cannot keep your arms vertically out in front of you for any length of time - it's very tiring.
Hence the whole concept is flawed which anyone with half a brain could have told MS/Acer. Reply
Beaver M. - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkExactly. Though I can imagine, that a hype would press it anyway. Doesnt matter that spine and arm problems will skyrocket after that. Reply
TheGreenFoX - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkIf you have a primary gaming screen with a fullscreen game on, and a touch screen with the metro interface as 2. screen - will the game minimize if you make a touch input on the touchscreen, or can you use the metro apps without minimizing the game? Reply
chaoticlusts - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkWill be interesting too see how the interface devices due out this year compare with touch screen desktop monitors for convenience.
I don't really see touch on a desktop screen being very convenient for most people unless you rearrange your setup around it... and even then it would hard not to be awkward. Touch works great on laptops and smaller devices but I really think if people want the 'hands on' approach with desktops things like Leap Motion or the Kinect 2 will take off rather than products like this. even more so when it means adding a $100 device rather than paying hundreds extra for a touch monitor. Reply
beck2050 - Thursday, February 07, 2013 - linkTouch my screen on a desktop is uncomfortable and unacceptable for me.
I would never want a touchscreen there. Reply
ypsylon - Friday, February 08, 2013 - linkIt is really one environment where touch screen is nothing more than a nuisance. Imagine situation like this.
You have a desk, on a desk is LCD 27"-30". LCD is standing as it should ~50-60 cm from user so his/her eyes won't bleed after 10 seconds. How the hell somebody thinks (Microsoft for that matter) that user will sit even closer, virtually next to a big LCD pushing buttons on the screen. Really laughable idea. Imagine writing something in the office or doing really complicated spreadsheet just with virtual keyboard stretching you arms across the desk. And if user must keep his/her beloved keyboard and mouse because nobody else on the market cares about touch screen software then idea of a touch screen for desktop is as dead as ISA slot on motherboards.
There are environment where touch screen is used for ages: manufacturing, finances (stock exchange), military, engineering and so on. For now home-desktop area is a no-go zone. We haven't exactly reached Star Trek level of computerization where with few taps on a pad you can run a starship. :D Reply
JimmiG - Friday, February 08, 2013 - linkThe whole reason Apple went with touch on the first iPhone was to get the most effective use of the limited screen real estate and surface area of a phone.
It is *not* the best interface for large screens or desktop computers where a mouse and keyboard is available. This silliness needs to go away. Reply
DagB - Friday, February 08, 2013 - linkComments like this really bugs me, especially on a site like this... Where is the forward thinking? Do you actually think people will sit with a mouse and keyboard in 20 years to the same extent they do today? There are lots of interesting things happening; touch, motion sensors, haptic technologies and so on. I agree that this is probably not an optimal interface if you mainly type or do normal "office" work. But there are people doing other stuff as well on there desktops. For example all types of "creative" activities (film editing, photo editing, music producing etc).
For me as a music producer this is something really interesting, that has the potential to totally change the way we produce, mix, create and edit music. Ipad is way to small/limited for more advanced work, but is still very interesting. If you put a large desktop screen (more) horizontally, you will not get tired after hours of work and would have all the real estate you need. Also, that is the work position producers and sound engineers have worked for decades. I hope this is just the beginning of a change to a more intuitive and "direct" way of interacting with our digital tools. We should embrace it! Reply
JimmiG - Friday, February 08, 2013 - link"Do you actually think people will sit with a mouse and keyboard in 20 years to the same extent they do today?"
No, but I don't think we'll be leaning over our desks, arms stretched forward in order to use oversized touch-displays, nor will we be waving our arms in front of motion sensing devices all day either.
Voice control is another technology that was thought to replace the keyboard ("Keyboard. How quaint."), and the technology exists today. Yet it's rarely used because it's impractical in an office environment.
When realtime 3D graphics became possible, there were a lot of experimental 3D UI's being designed. It was also thought that the whole web would eventually become fully 3D. While we have 3D MMORPG's etc., the web and user interfaces are still 2D because it's the most convenient way to present information. In fact, Windows 8 is even going back to a more "flat" UI than what we've had since the late 1980's.
Just a few examples of how new technology isn't "better" just because it seems exciting and forward thinking at the time. All these technologies have their applications and uses (easily control mixer faders and pan pots in a DAW, for example), but there's a temptation to shoehorn new tech into everything just because it's the current buzzword. Reply
Beaver M. - Friday, February 08, 2013 - linkWhy should one think that? But 20 years ago they already hinted that thought-control would be the next big thing. Instead you now see crap like touch-control, which SIMPLY doesnt work well on desktop computers. Touch-control was invented for simple input and mobile input, where you cant have complex inputs.
It would be like controlling a kitchen with a steering wheel. It simply isnt effective!
Seriously, it bothers me a lot that even on a site like this, that such simple things isnt grasped by many people. Reply
Patanjali - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkTouch doesn't have to REPLACE everything else, but it is nice to have as one of many altenate interaction methods. With Windows, you never use ONLY a mouse OR a keyboard, so why should having the availability of touch suddenly preclude those other methods?
I find which I use depoends on what I am mainly using at the time. If typing a lot, I tend to use keyboard shortcuts more. If shifting things around a lot, the mouse gets used. Now with touch, I can opt to just reach out and touch a link or swipe to scroll a web page. Horses for couses! Reply
Icehawk - Friday, February 08, 2013 - linkJust saw my friend's Dell version of this (basically) and I don't get it - first off with the screen where it normally goes, and his was, you can't reach the screen without leaning all the way forward and/or hitching yourself forward on the seat. Then you get to leave nice fingerprints everywhere. In that time I could have used the mouse like six times over to do the same thing.
And Win 8 looks TERRIBLE. Both the "Metro" skin - too much going on, ugly, ugly, too much clutter - and the old desktop, 'cause no one wants the Start button /sarcasm.
Last thing - while one of my Samsung monitors is going on 7+ years I've had other LCDs last just 2. Would kinda suck if the monitor on one of these goes out since you are pretty much out the whole PC. Reply
ryanbrancel - Friday, February 08, 2013 - linkDo you need to use HDMI for the touchscreen to communicate with the PC? Or does all that transport over the video signal, even for CRT? Reply
Lonyo - Saturday, February 09, 2013 - linkUSB connection for the touch data.
HDMI/VGA/DVI for video.
3.5mm cable for sound when using VGA/DVI (I assume sound can go over HDMI but I haven't tried yet on mine). Reply
Magnus101 - Friday, February 08, 2013 - linkI use a Nexus 7 with TouchDAW installed as a remote control for Cubase.
I can move mixer sliders, pots and a lot of things with the tablet, at the same time looking att he big monitors.
I think they have gotten this totally the wrong way around.
It would be awkward to have to have your arms raised so high all the time.
It will also obscure parts of the screen when you point with your hand. Reply
Patanjali - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkTouchscreen monitors with Windows means that ANY window or dialog can be touch WITHOUT anf setup.
Try setting up TouchDAW to control only the Control Room as quickly as just moving the dialog to a touchscreen.
I have Cubase setup with two touchscreens at low angles with the mixers, control room and other dialogs spread across them. And I wish the LG 2560x1080 monitors were touchscreen as they would be perfect for such use. Reply
Patanjali - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkIf you duplicate a local and remote monitor, you can control the dialogs from both.
It is a pity the remote display software people that produce MaxiVista and Air Display, which allow using another computer's display, haven't got their Win8 act together. Reply
JKflipflop98 - Saturday, February 09, 2013 - linkLeapMotion is leagues better than this. Reply
Patanjali - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkAnd it ISN'T here yet. In May we will see whether it lives up to the hype. We still don't know how fine the control is, and whether you can use it in existing apps as easy as touch.
Certainly, if the supplied software allows acurately touching a button in an existing app then it will be a winner. However, "But with the Leap Motion Controller and our apps, nothing's holding hands and fingers back." reads like it ONLY works with stuff programmed for it, which severly limits its general use. It may well end up as ANOTHER interaction method, along with keyboard, mouse, touch and whatever else comes along.
As it is now, using a touchscreen with Windows allows ANY app to be touch controlled. Of course, it may not be optimal, but having got used to accurately touching tiny links in web page on my phone, touching the tiny X button in the upper right of a window to close it is no big deal.
With Leap Motion, how will it be used with multiple monitors?
How fine-grained can control be when you are holding your hand in mid air? And what about arm fatigue? Reply
UltraTech79 - Monday, February 11, 2013 - linkGreat! Now my arm can get tired while my arm gets tired. Reply
Patanjali - Friday, April 05, 2013 - linkI have been using multiple 30" monitors with two Dell ST2220T touchscreens for the last year. I bought the touchscreens to use for DAW work to place mixing windows and various other dialogs that would be useful to be able to touch.
The touchscreens I have at a low angle sloping up to the bottom of the two 30" monitors. The single biggiest maintainability issue with the touchscreens is NOT fingerprints but DUST. It is amazing how much dust accumulates on a horizontal surface in 24 hours. Fortunately Dell supplied excellent cloths which makes it easy to clean off the dust and finger smudges. Such low angles are the ONLY way to use touchscreens a lot.
However, after having touchscreens, I wish ALL the monitors were touch as even with the large vertical monitors it would be nice to just reach out and do the occasional scroll of a web page or document or adjust a DAW control that I couldn't fit on the touchscreens. Touch is so direct whereas reaching for a mouse just to do such things that are so quick for a hand seems a distraction to workflow now.
The Dell touchscreens worked for Win7 OK, but using optical tech, are not really up to being used with all the Win8 geatures, which is why I am reading reviews like this. I am still wanting 27" 2560x1440 touchscreens like those used on the Dell all-in-ones. I would get four of those!
As for glossy screens, they work OK for small portable devices where you can easily adjust the viewing angle to avoid reflections, or when sitting in low light watching TV, but they are a MAJOR pain when used in fixed situations in normal illumination. The touchscreens, being at a low angle, reflect the image showing on the bottom part of the 30" monitors above them! If it was your only monitor, you would have to position it so that it didn't reflect your overhead lighting.
The 30" monitors are the Dell non-glare, wide colour gamut ones which are excellent for viewing and, in my opinion, should be what ALL monitor screens should be like. Excellent colour and illumination and NO reflections at all.
Apparently the Planar Helium 27" touchscreen is matte, but it would take up a lot of deskspace while only providing 1920x1080. The LG 2560x1080 monitors would have been great if they were touchscreen (and matte).
I hope when 4K monitors (3840x2160 = 8Mpx) start appearing, they are are available with matte touchscreens as well.
As for multi-monitor usage with Win8, I don't know what people seem so uptight about. Yes, it is best to have the start screen mainly on a smaller, close-at-hand, sloped monitor, but default behaviour on my system is that the start screen disappears as soon as the mouse is clicked in ANY 'desktop' area, so it is basically a popup screen when you need it rather than the principal interaction area as when used on a tablet or single monitor.
It may well stay alive if the touchscreen is a Win8 certified one, but someone else would have to let us know if that is the case.
I have an Acer W511 3G Win8 tablet and it is very easy to use and, because of the instant on and constant internet connection, it is very quick for me to check email in Outlook or look on the internet, whereas it was a slow pain with my previous laptop, waiting for it to boot up and for the 3G modem software to kick in. And Win tablets are SO much easier to use with a home network.
For me Win8 works both on a tablet and my large multi-monitor system, and its operation is appropriate to each. Oh, and while some so-called tech bloggers and commenters made a big noise about the loss of the start menu, MS telemetry showed that most users had got the hint with Win7 and shifted their focus to the taskbar, which is alive and well and on every desktop screen in Win8. Basically, on a multi-monitor setup, the start screen is like a big visual menu which can be configured to put all your commands into groups in any order you want. Reply
osx77 - Friday, May 17, 2013 - linkHi i have a question is this monitor led or lcd?Because i try to find info on amazon.com and it said LCD so which is it.
and other pages said is Led so...
thanks Reply
dpars - Monday, December 30, 2013 - linkUsing acer t232hl with mac mini?? Reply
dpars - Monday, December 30, 2013 - linkI'm connected with HDMI and USB 3.0 using bluetooth keyboard and magic trackpad. I have a fully-functional, unresponsive touchscreen monitor… Thoughts? Reply


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Electronics such as computers, monitors, televisions, and stereos can be taken to the electronics recycling station and recycled for a fee. See Electronics Recycling for rates.
A separate location at the landfill is designated for tires only. They are charged individually per tire, based on size (see fee schedule). We will not accept large numbers of tires. Please call ahead if you have more than 9 tires, for suggested disposal options.
Lead-acid batteries (such as car batteries) are to be placed on the trailer marked "Batteries" located at the landfill. Rocky Mountain Battery and Recycling (Fort Collins) periodically picks up the batteries for recycling. Residents do not have to pay a fee for recycling these batteries. Other types of batteries are also accepted through our hazardous waste program.
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The Solid Waste office receives inquires fairly often about "free days" at the landfill. The Larimer County Landfill stopped offering annual free days 15 years ago for many reasons, including the traffic hazard it created along Taft Hill Road. The department does not foresee any free programs like this starting up again in the future. Feel free to contact your trash service provider to see if it offers any sort of reduced pricing on trash hauling.
The landfill is operated by Larimer County, but it is jointly owned by Larimer County (25%), the City of Fort Collins (50%), and the City of Loveland (25%). Fort Collins opened the landfill in 1963. Larimer County assumed operating responsibility in 1975. The south borrow area (where we get the dirt for cover material) is owned 100% by Larimer County.
A vertical expansion for the site was approved in March 1995, which means another ten feet of trash and cover was placed on top of the existing fill areas. A second vertical expansion was approved in April 2004. As of 2007, we expect the current landfill to last another 24 years. No further expansions will be pursued, and once the landfill is filled, the facility will be closed according to current state and federal regulations. We have, however, purchased property north of Fort Collins, for potential future solid waste management operations.
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The Protection RacketLogic puzzles require you to think. You will have to be logical in your reasoning.
The gang of four that once ran the biggest protection racket in the east eventually got out of jail. Almost immediately, they began operating again in the same neighborhood. They had previously divided it into four territories: north, south, east, and west. Because each mobster had always kept his operations in the same area, the police nicknamed them Mr. North, Mr. South, Mr. East, and Mr. West.
Now the police received a reliable tip that this time each mobster was operating in a new territory. None of the new victims was willing to identify the mobsters from photos the police showed them, but three facts became clear, and that was enough for the FBI to work out which mobster was operating where. These are the facts:
1. Mr. East is not operating the North.
2. The North territory is not being operated by Mr. South.
3. The South territory is not being operated by Mr. East.
Can you tell who is operating in each territory?
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GEORGE GINA & LUCY 6ix Bag
As I was walking to work this morning there was this woman walking ahead of me for about 4 blocks and I couldn't take my eyes off her bag. Good thing the logo was right there unhidden. A couple of keyboard clicks away and here we have Germany's own George Gina & Lucy bags where fashion meets practical function. Who says you can't have one without the other. Check out all the colors.
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I began this week meeting up with the Director of Conservation at the Oakland Zoo and going over the Earth Day event, "Party for the Planet," and discussing where we need to start in the prepping process. Before we can mail out invites for the event, the vendor list needed to be updated, so I worked on updating throughout the week. This took some time, considering there were well over 100 organizations on the list, but addresses and contact information were updated and many new organizations were added. I also created the same document in Excel format for future use. During this whole process, I was able to familiarize myself with a variety of local conservation, environmental friendly, organizations in the Bay Area, which was pretty neat.
Next, I spent time submitting our latest press releases to the Association of Zoos and Aquariums through their online newsroom. The AZA actually picked up our story about Nikko and Gladys and shared it with their database, which includes over 200 accredited Zoos and Aquariums across the country. Not too shabby. I was invited and attended lunch with the Marketing Department again and continued to learn about various business items. This lunch was specifically about sponsorships and how they work. Following lunch, I sat in on a sponsorship meeting, watched how an outside agency presented a proposal, what our staff look for, and even added some input/ideas of my own.
It was a quiet and calm week when it came to media on-site. Instead of being out and about, I realized how much preparation actually goes into setting up a lot of these video/media shoots and projects. There is much coordination involved between several parties. For example, a day must be found that fits the specific media outlet, the Marketing Department, the animal schedules, and a number of other Animal Care staff schedules. All the details of the shoot schedule must also be prepared and ready to go prior to the actual day of shooting.
As a side note, a few of the segments from our training video 'aired' at the all staff meeting Thursday morning, and I was a pretty popular individual that day with everyone telling me what a 'superstar' I was acting out skits in those videos. Looks like I'll be seen at the Oakland Zoo for years to come.
A few other contracts with local organizations came through this week and I was walked through our partnership with the Oakland A's specifically. Nicky explained to me what each little part of the agreement meant and gave me examples from the past, so that I can assist in creating and delivering the 2013 points of action. This includes items such as creating PSA's or short slogans that will market the Zoo and its wonderful programs at the A's home games in the upcoming season. Besides talking baseball, I then attended the Operations Lead meeting conducted by Deb Menduno (Director of Operations) and really enjoyed sitting in and observing how other departments operate, what they focus on, and how they communicate overall.
In addition to the above, I of course spent much time keeping Facebook, Twitter, and the blog updated, exciting, and engaging (that was the attempt anyway). There was also a goal set to reach 11,000 'likes' on Facebook by Friday, and looks like we made it! We had so many shares on Friday and it is really awesome how an online community can come together when you ask for such a small favor. This is why I am such a fan of the power of social media, especially for nonprofits.


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The Olympics are sport's greatest triumph. The event brings together the passion, dedication, and pageantry of athleticism. Competition is distilled into its purest form, and the participants give their hearts and souls to be a part of it. Images can't even capture the pure will and devotion of the athletes involved.
But they sure as hell can capture some ludicrous faces along the way. These photos are sport's real greatest triumph.
12. The Queen
The Queen's funny face started it all. Her absolute lack of interest in the Olympics ceremony tranquilized a nation of apathetic Brits and created a hilarious meme along the way.
11. The Sleeper Hold
It's really unfortunate when you fall asleep during your big moment. Fortunately, she was able to sleep-lift her way to gold.
10. The Geezer Neck
This guy looks 30 above the jaw and 87 below it. Does Botox make you better at table tennis? If so, I'm surprised this lady didn't take all three medals.
9. The Dentist
I can't even open my mouth like that when the dentist has clamps, levers, pulleys, and a crowbar. But somehow this British grandmother sneaked her way into the Olympics to showcase her giant cavity and bonnet.
8. The Hey-Wait-a-Minute
Well, it could be funny. You never know. I like to give athletes the benefit of the doubt.
7. The Floater
I'm an amateur ping pong player myself, and this is one of my favorite moves. By storing the ball in your hair, you can confuse your opponent and look ridiculous on national TV.
6. The Biter
There's a new event at the Olympics this year, and the goal is to bite through a huge metal bar. Maybe number nine from my list back there should focus on this new event instead of water polo.
5. The Quasimodo
It's a little known fact that Quasimodo actually entered the Olympics this year for the United States. As Notre Dame's most qualified swimmer, his naturally humped back has earned him the affectionate nickname "the whale".
4. The Kamikaze
Pretty much any diving photo could make its way onto the list, but there's something particularly majestic and comical about this fellow's dive-bombing.
3. The Crier
You might think this guy is a swimmer considering how wet he is. All that water is actually just from his tears. And the most interesting part of all? He won gold.
2. The Shining
All play and no work makes this guy one scary dude. If they ever remake The Shining, I know who to cast in Jack Nicholson's role.
1. The Your-Face-is-Going-to-Get-Stuck-That-Way
Mothers around the world have warned for generations that making ugly faces will result in a permanently hideous visage. Apparently this guy ignored that advice.
I just can't believe we have to wait another four years for incredible images like these. The 16 funniest facez of the 2016 Olympics can't get here soon enough.
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CHICAGO (Dow Jones)--U.S. soybean futures dropped for the fifth straight day Friday, extending a slide that began when federal forecasters unexpectedly raised harvest and inventory outlooks.
Soybeans for November delivery, the most actively traded contract, fell 3 1/4 cents, or 0.2%, to a one-month low of $13.55 1/2 a bushel on the Chicago Board of Trade. The losses left the contract down 5% for the week and 7.5% from a three-year high reached in late August.
Prices continued to weaken after the U.S. Department of Agriculture, in a monthly report issued Monday, surprised traders by raising its output and supply forecasts. The increases sparked a sharp sell-off because money managers, in weeks before the report, started building up long positions, or bets that prices would rise.
"The market was bloated to the long side, and it's rebalancing right now," said Don Roose, president of U.S. Commodities, a commodities brokerage in Iowa.
Wheat and corn futures also fell hard this week.
Corn for December delivery on Friday slid 9 cents, or 1.3%, to $6.92 a bushel. It settled down 6% for the week and 11% from a contract high reached in late August. Soft red winter wheat for December delivery on Friday lost 7 3/4 cents, or 1.1%, to $6.88 1/4 a bushel.
Traders next week will look to see whether the break in prices has attracted buyers to the market. It seems prices are "in the zone for the end user where it works" to step up purchases, Roose said.
Other markets
Soy products were mixed, despite continued weakness in soybeans. December soymeal stumbled 0.3% to $353.10 per short ton, while December soyoil edged up 0.5% to 56.85 cents a pound. November rice slipped 0.2% to $17.89 per hundredweight, and December ethanol lost 1% to $2.566 per gallon. December oats rose 0.4% to $3.45 1/2 a bushel.
At the Kansas City Board of Trade, hard red winter wheat for December delivery sank 1.4% to $7.84 a bushel as forecasts called for beneficial rains in dry, wheat-growing areas of the U.S. Plains. Hard red spring wheat for December delivery dropped 1.7% to $8.56 1/4 a bushel at MGEX in Minneapolis.


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Manchester United midfielder Michael Carrick is a major doubt for England
Michael Carrick admits he is unlikely to feature for England in the forthcoming friendlies with Chile and Germany.
Last Updated: 12/11/13 9:54am
The Manchester United midfielder played the full 90-minutes over their 1-0 win over Arsenal on Sunday, but it was his first game back after missing the previous three with an Achilles problem.
However, he was limping badly as he left the stadium on Sunday and it seems highly unlikely he will feature in the first two matches of England's build-up to next summer's World Cup finals in Brazil.
"I have been carrying the injury for a few weeks now," he said.
"I was a bit patched up to play today.
"I got through it but it doesn't look too good."
Six pointer
Carrick, though, was in no doubt how much the win over Arsenal meant to United - admitting it was like a 'six pointer'.
"It was a big game, the amount of points we were behind, it was the old school six-pointer and we were well aware of that before the game," he told Sky Sports.
"We showed how much we wanted it and we got the lead and then tried to sit back and counter attack, we knew they were going to have a lot of the ball and we knew we would have to be patient and defend well.
"It is not the first time we have been written off, and we pride ourselves on our form over the season and we set high standards and today was something close to it.
"We have stayed patient and we haven't been getting down on ourselves, we know how much of the season is left. It is a good day, but it is not going to make the season."


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TAMPA, Fla. – The Saint Leo volleyball team dropped identical 3-1 decisions to both Christian Brothers and Valdosta State in the Red Elephant Café South Region Crossover Tournament played at the Bob Martinez Athletic Center on the University of Tampa campus on Friday afternoon.
The day's first game saw Saint Leo fall to Christian Brothers 25-21, 13-25, 25-17, 25-19 as the Lions outhit their opponents .271-to-.203, but nine service errors and 19 hitting errors opened to door for the visiting Lady Bucs (13-5) to take the match. It was a game that was a statistical anomaly as Saint Leo dominated nearly every category, but CBU held a sideout percentage of over 60 percent, keeping Saint Leo from holding possession.
In the nightcap, Saint Leo (9-10) dropped a 19-25, 25-22, 25-21, 25-16 decision to Valdosta State (13-10) where the Lady Blazers hit .285, dropped down 58 kills and had four service aces in the triumph over the Lions. Saint Leo only managed a .217 average and another five service errors again thwarted the Lions' victory chances.
The Lions will look to rebound tomorrow when they face West Georgia in the final game of their portion of the Red Elephant Café South Region Crossover. The match is scheduled to start at 3:30 p.m. at the Martinez Center.
For more on the volleyball program, please visit SaintLeoLions.com. Also, be sure to 'Follow' the Lions on Twitter and 'Like' the Lions on Facebook.
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Is it okay if I make this one a little bit differently this time? I wish to go somewhat Mexican style. This means we are going to swap out the usual pizza sauce and replace it with hot enchilada sauce, and include chorizo as one of the toppings. First we get to roll out the dough. In the interest of saving time, I picked up this garlic herb dough from my local Trader Joe's. It's actually quite good. Here it is rolled and fitted to my GraniteWare pan.
Next comes that sauce. I added a touch of masa harina, much like one would for chili, to thicken it up just a tad and enhance the flavor.
Next for the cheese. Shredded moozarella and a touch of cheddar:
And the toppings-- fried chorizo, pulled chicken, sliced red bell pepper, black olives, garlic, and pineapple:
Out to the pit:
Going indirect this time to let the dough slowly bake to a delicious bready goodness. And we're gonna blast it with heavy mesquite smoke for the short time it's on there. Look!-- We have a pope!
Let's see what we got, how it turned out. Yeah, I guess that looks about done.
Enough let's plate it and eat it. Muy sabroso, delightful to me!
Oh yeah, here you can see I incorporated a little corn meal on the bottom of the crust.


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The bankruptcy of Detroit - the largest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history - was the result of a long history of poor economic policies including high taxes, business crushing regulations, unfunded pensions, and a debt between $18 and $20 billion.
For starters, Detroit has some of the highest municipal taxes in the country.
Motor City property owners pay the highest property tax rate in the nation on residential and commercial properties, and the second highest on industrial properties.
Detroit residents pay a 2.4 percent local income tax, and Detroit imposes an excise tax on utility users (the only city in Michigan to do so.)
Apart from taxes, Detroit's regulations have made it extremely difficult for businesses to operate. There is $11.03 an hour "living wage" that increases to $13.78 an hour if other benefits are not provided, and an exhaustive list of licensing requirements strangling small business.
Yet the biggest contributor to the city's bankruptcy was their $9.2 billion in unfunded pension and retiree health care liabilities.
Incredibly, 99.6 percent of the retiree health care liabilities - which pay between 80-100 percent of retiree medical costs - are unfunded; all this in a city where 1 in 15 residents work for the government and the salaries and benefits for those employees consume 36 percent of incoming revenue.
Nebraska state and local governments can learn from the Motor City's failure, especially when it comes to public employee pensions.
Nebraska pensions: unfunded
Past research by the Platte Institute on the state pension system has shown that reforms are needed to make Nebraska public sector pensions solvent.
Data from the Platte Institute's May study conducted by pension expert and economist Andrew Biggs using fair market valuation calculations show that as a whole, Nebraska's major pension plans are 57 percent unfunded, with state and local governments facing an $11.8 billion shortfall for pension liabilities.
These shortfalls have the potential to wreak financial havoc on the state, and by extension, on taxpayers who would either have to pay higher taxes to make up the shortfall or deal with the loss of services like the citizens of Detroit did, where the average response time to a 911 call was 58 minutes.
There are several ways that Nebraska -- and Omaha in particular -- could put its pension system on the path to solvency and avoid Detroit's fate. The first would be to do what the Legislature did 30 years ago for some smaller Nebraska cities and convert the plans for Omaha, Lincoln, and the state into Defined Contribution plans, which are more transparent and straightforward.
Other options would be to change the actuarial estimates from the overly optimistic 8 percent to more reasonable levels based upon market conditions.
If Nebraska is to avoid the financial troubles of Detroit, it must reform its pension system in a way that is fair to taxpayers and recognizes the realities of the market. Without such reform, we will surely face hard fiscal times in the future, which will hurt citizens, pensioners and taxpayers alike.
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On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Robby Findler <robby at eecs.northwestern.edu> wrote: > Why can't you use contracts to do this kind of thing? First, `cms->list' has to return a `(Listof Any)' because arbitrary code on the stack can add to the mark set. In the other direction, what would the contract on `w-c-m' be? The second argument is an arbitrary value, so it's wrapped with the contract that's generated for `Any', which needs those `Typed Value' wrappers. Perhaps it could make use of some more type information at this point in special cases where that's available; I'll look into that. > On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Sam Tobin-Hochstadt <samth at ccs.neu.edu> wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Ismael Figueroa Palet >> <ifigueroap at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> 2011/11/25 Sam Tobin-Hochstadt <samth at ccs.neu.edu> >>>> This means that you passed the procedure to an untyped module with the >>>> type `Any'. If you provide a more specific type, it won't be wrapped >>>> like this. >>> >>> Indeed, I was storing a value of type FunType = (Any -> (T Any)) inside a >>> continuation mark, and then retrieving it for the comparison. I was >>> retrieving the continuation marks with type (Listof Any), using >>> continuation-mark-set->list, which I think is the reason for the error I'm >>> getting. >>> >>> could the continuation mark put the function in the untyped module you >>> mention? >> >> Yes, continuation marks are going to be a problem. Unfortunately, >> there's not really anything you can do here, because continuation >> marks are an unrestricted channel between all parts of the program. >> Any other portion of the program could add things to the continuation >> with the same mark, or retrieve your continuation mark. >> >>> However, if I change the expected type to (Listof FunType), I get a type >>> error when calling continuation-mark-set->list, which says that this >>> functions returns (Listof Any). >>> >>> How can I coerce a (Listof Any) into a (Listof FunType)? >> >> You can't. Given a value, all you can possibly do to it is a >> first-order check. And unfortunately, you can't tell if something is >> a particular kind of function using a first-order check. >> >> What I recommend you do here is one of the following: >> >> - use a parameter instead of a continuation mark. Parameters have >> more structure, and thus can be given better types. >> - or, create an untyped module which does the continuation mark >> manipulation you want, and then import the relevant functions from it >> with the appropriate types. >> >>> Or more in general, I'm facing similars problems in my code, where I get >>> something of type Any and I need to coerce it to a more specific type but I >>> can't get it to work. I've tried using ann and assert but it doesn't seems >>> to work :-( >> >> `ann' just tells the typecheck what to expect -- it doesn't do any coercion. >> >> `assert' has two forms -- one with a predicate, and one without. The >> second one is just for checking if a value is `#f'. Which one were >> you using, and what didn't work about it? >> -- >> sam th >> samth at ccs.neu.edu >> >> _________________________________________________ >> For list-related administrative tasks: >> http://lists.racket-lang.org/listinfo/users >> > -- sam th samth at ccs.neu.edu
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>Gears and Wears>HR monitors ?
Gandalf the Grey
Running ... just keep running! Fancy a holiday running in the French Alps?
Your toughness is made up of equal parts persistence and experience. You don't so much outrun your opponents as outlast and outsmart them, and the toughest opponent of all is the one inside your head." - Joe Henderson
Roads were made for journeys...
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Alright, I'll post this again.....
This shows how to conduct a field Lactate Threshold HR test. It goes into swimming and biking (Mike is a tri coach) as well.
3000 miles
Sub 19:00 for 5K 05-03-13 Clee Prom 5K - 19:00:66 that was bloody close!
Sub-40:00 for 10K 17-03-13 Gainsborough 10K - 39:43
Sub 88:00 for HM


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This weeks round-up of landscape news from around the web
Jungleland – The Lower Ninth Ward in New Orleans Gives New Meaning to 'Urban Growth' | Nathaniel Rich | New York Times Magazine
The power of nature is shown by the 'jungle' that is recolonising parts of the Lower Ninth Ward in New Orleans that have been abandoned since Hurricane Katrina in 2005.
Finding the urban forest in your neck of the woods | Laurie Casey | Chicago Tribune
Boasting millions of trees, other plants, and wildlife, the urban forest contributes valuable benefits. It produces fresh oxygen, reduces urban heat island effects, and stores carbon. Studies show being around or seeing trees even improves our mood and helps us heal from surgery faster.
Cloned trees fuel urban pollen count | Randy Shore | Vancouver Sun
Planting male clones effectively doubles the amount of pollen released, horticulturalist says.
He changed Bangalore's landscape | Deccan Herald
Gustav Krumbiegel established the Horticultural School in the erstwhile Mysore state, a first for India.
America's Coolest Driveways | Tanya Mohn | Forbes
"Good driveway design is all about the arrival experience," says Charles A. Birnbaum, founder and president of The Cultural Landscape Foundation
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Bullpen falters as Yankees drop finale in Detroit
Kelley allows game-winning hit in ninth after Kuroda's strong effort
DETROIT -- The final pitch of the afternoon was a hanging slider that was destined to drive in the winning run, and Shawn Kelley immediately slammed his glove into the infield grass, allowing the terrible feeling to slump his shoulders.
If Kelley had turned around, he would have seen Ichiro Suzuki's valiant effort to track Alex Avila's deep drive through the shadows, but the tell-tale thump of ball against padded wall sealed the Yankees' 3-2 loss to the Tigers on Thursday at Comerica Park. The setback bumped the Yankees three games behind the Tigers and Mariners for the second American League Wild Card spot.
"I didn't watch. I just put my head down and walked off the field," Kelley said. "It would've been a nice surprise if he would've [caught it], but I assumed it was a homer."
Avila's hit counted only as a single, but it was enough to doom the Yankees to their second loss of the three-game series, a final head-to-head showdown with the Detroit that they viewed as crucial for their postseason hopes.
"It's definitely not what we wanted, but our guys played extremely hard this series, and we've got to go continue on to Toronto," manager Joe Girardi said.
Kelley entered after Hiroki Kuroda provided another consistent outing, holding the Tigers to two runs over seven innings. Dellin Betances pitched a scoreless eighth, but Kelley was in immediate trouble as Victor Martinez opened the ninth by doubling on a hanging breaking ball.
After a full-count walk to J.D. Martinez, Kelley rebounded to strike out both Alex Castellanos and pinch-hitter Torii Hunter, but Avila barreled the first pitch he saw to deliver a walk-off win in front of a sellout crowd of 42,647.
"It was right over my head. I ran back and the ball hit the fence," Ichiro said through an interpreter. "It's a do-or-die play. I just went to where I thought the ball was going to be."
"You're watching, but you're not really sure," Avila said. "When I hit it, I thought it had a chance to drive the run in, but Ichiro came pretty close."
After producing an eight-run inning on Wednesday against David Price, New York managed just two runs and four hits in six innings against rookie left-hander Kyle Lobstein, who was making his first Major League start and second appearance.
"From the game that I saw, we swung the bats better than we did yesterday," Girardi said. "We just hit balls at people. That's unfortunate."
Zelous Wheeler reached on a slow third-inning grounder that was thrown away by the third baseman Castellanos, setting up Jacoby Ellsbury's RBI single to knot the game at 1. The Yankees center fielder continues to swing a hot bat, hitting .462 (18-for-39) over his last 10 games.
New York punched another run through against Lobstein in the fourth inning. Martin Prado singled, advanced to third base on a Carlos Beltran double and scored on Brian McCann's groundout. Lobstein slammed the door there, walking one and striking out none.
"It's a close race and they're trying to win every game," Lobstein said. "I understood that, but at the same time, I've just got to go out there and treat it as any other day."
The Yankees are not looking for silver linings at this time of year, but at least Kuroda seems to be showing no signs of the second-half swoon that derailed his 2013 season. The right-hander wrapped up his August with a 3.22 ERA in five starts.
"The biggest thing that I concentrate on a day I pitch, I want to make sure that the team wins," Kuroda said through an interpreter. "Because that did not happen, it was not a good day for me."
Avila knocked in Castellanos with a second-inning sac fly and after the Yankees scored single runs in the third and fourth to take the lead, the Tigers tied the game in the fifth as Don Kelly walked, advanced on a wild pitch and came home to score on Rajai Davis' single to right field.
The Yankees threatened to retake the lead in the ninth, but were silenced by two former Bombers. Mark Teixeira worked a two-out walk against Joba Chamberlain before the Tigers called on Phil Coke, who surrendered a single to Beltran that placed runners at the corners.
McCann got a meaty fastball and launched a deep drive down the right-field line that had Coke arcing his neck at the back of the mound, but the ball sailed a few rows foul.
"I did [think it was a homer]. It just kept going," McCann said. "I don't know if the wind took it or what. It would have been nice if it stayed fair, but it didn't."
Coke came back to gas McCann with two 95-mph fastballs for the strikeout.
"We just have to battle," McCann said. "Kuroda pitched an unbelievable game, again. We hit a lot of balls hard today. The ball was hanging up in the gaps; I thought we had three or four doubles that got caught. That's just the way it goes. We'll move on and get ready for Toronto."
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Since the Church of England started admitting females to the priesthood in 1994, previous leaders of the Anglican Church in Lancashire have declined to perform the service.
Former Bishops Alan Chesters and Nicholas Reade would not perform the service because they did not believe in woman priests or bishops.
As a result, the last ordination service of any priests, male or female, at Blackburn Cathedral was in 1993.
When he became Bishop of Blackburn last October, Bishop Julian Henderson broke with his predecessors and pledged his support for both women clergy and women bishops.
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Bishop Julian said: "I am a strong supporter of women clergy and I am fully supportive of women in leadership at all levels."
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Most of the candidates for the priesthood in 2014 were ordained as Deacons in the cathedral last year and returned.
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Medically unexplained physical symptoms (MUPS) or medically unexplained symptoms (MUS) are patient symptoms for which the treating physician, other healthcare providers, and research scientists have found no medical cause. The term does not necessarily imply that a physical cause does not exist, but rather notes that cause(s) for given symptoms are uncertain, unknown or disputed—there is no scientific consensus. A task force of the US National Institutes of Health states, "Medically unexplained syndromes (MUS) present the most common problems in medicine."[1]
Estimates of primary care consultations with medically unexplained symptoms range from 15%[2] to a high of 66% in specialty settings.[3] Psychiatric co-morbidity is common,[2][4][5] but symptoms may not be due exclusively to psychiatric factors[2][3][5][6] and there may be a strong association between psychiatric morbidity and physical symptoms irrespective of whether they have a medical explanation or not.[7] Association with depressive and anxiety disorders increases with the number of unexplained symptoms reported,[8][9] but medically unexplained symptoms "as a whole" are not necessarily associated with depression and anxiety.[10]
Physical symptoms have been associated with adverse psychosocial and functional outcome across different cultures, irrespective of etiology (either explained or unexplained).[11] One use of the term MUS is in reference to the overlapping symptoms present in a variety of conditions such as chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, multiple chemical sensitivity, somatoform disorder, and Gulf War Illness, which also share a significant overlap in treatment.[12][13]
History and usageEdit
MUPS may be synonymous with somatization disorder[14] or psychosomatic illness, where the cause or perception of symptoms is mental in origin, or may overlap these terms or be a "lower threshold variant" of them.[15] Because several definitions of both somatization and MUPS exist, and the usage of both terms is inconsistent in medical literature and practice, MUPS is sometimes used interchangeably with somatization and functional somatic symptoms,[16] although "somatised mental distress" and "somatisation disorders" (based on symptom counts) may not adequately account for most patients seen with MUPS.[12]
A study of terms related to MUPS found that patients often object to the phrase "medically unexplained." The study revealed differences between patients' and doctors' opinions. For example, patients preferred terms using the word "functional" although doctors felt this word was potentially offensive.[17]
When a cause for MUS is found, the symptom(s) are no longer medically unexplained. Some cases of ulcers and dyspepsia were considered MUS until bacterial infections were found to be their cause.[18]
Contested causationEdit
The lack of known etiology in MUPS cases can lead to conflict between patient and health-care provider over the diagnosis and treatment of MUPS. This conflict can occur in the public arena and may involve media controversy, advocacy groups, scientific and political debate and even legal proceedings.[19]
Diagnosis of MUPS is seldom a satisfactory situation for the patient, as many patients feel this implies it is "all in their head." This can lead to an adversarial doctor-patient relationship,[19] which can develop into an iatrogenic neurosis,[citation needed] thus complicating the situation. A 2008 review in the British Medical Journal stated that a doctor must be careful not to tell a patient that nothing is wrong, "as clearly this is not the case." The symptoms that brought the patient to the doctor are real, even when the cause is not known. The doctor should try to explain the symptoms, avoid blaming the patient for them, and work with the patient to develop a symptom management plan.[20]
According to psychiatrist Simon Wessely, "Various names have been given to medically unexplained symptoms. These include somatisation, somatoform disorders and functional somatic symptoms."[14] He writes that "a substantial overlap exists between the individual syndromes and that the similarities between them outweigh the differences." In reply, the psychiatrist Peter White has stated that "the concept of a general functional somatic syndrome is unhelpful in understanding illness, aetiology, treatment and outcome".[21] In another publication, Wessely states that providing a label for a set of symptoms "is not a neutral act, since specific labels are associated with specific beliefs and attitudes," and "even when organic illness is certain, the illness label can result in adverse behaviour changes.", while there is conflicting evidence on whether such labelling is helpful.[22]
Luxembourg et al[23] write that a substantial portion of MUPS and associated somatoform disorders have a clearly-identified cause: repeated psychological traumas, particularly during childhood. Evidence indicates that repeated abuse or other traumas often leads to disturbed lymphatic system functioning, under-production of cortisol and overproduction of endogenous opioids, all of which can contribute to MUPS. Those who were seriously traumatized on three or more occasions during childhood were substantially more likely than a control group to develop such difficult-to-treat MUPS as chronic headaches, pelvic pain, and seizures. Trauma researcher Bessel van der Kolk[24] has noted that chronically abused persons sometimes report a baffling array of MUPS while simultaneously reporting none of the expected psychological distress related to their abuse; he further suggests that, due to severe dissociation, chronic physical symptoms are these people's only means of expressing what would otherwise be overwhelming emotional pain.
The most effective current treatment for some medically unexplained symptoms is a combination of therapeutic approaches tailored to the individual patient. Most MUS patients are in need of psychotherapy, relaxation therapy and physiotherapy under medical supervision. A Combined therapeutic approach which is at least twice as effective as other therapeutic modalities published to date is described in Steele RE et al. "A novel and effective treatment modality for medically unexplained symptoms" [25] The next best documented approach is cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), with evidence from multiple randomized controlled trials.[15][26] Antidepressants may also help, but the evidence is "not yet conclusive."[15] The effectiveness of CBT and antidepressants has not been studied for all medically unexplained symptoms, however. Evidence for a positive effect of CBT has been found in trials for fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, irritable bowel syndrome, unexplained headaches, unexplained back pain, tinnitus, and non-cardiac chest pain.[27] As of 2006, CBT had not been tested for menopausal syndrome, chronic facial pain, interstitial cystitis, or chronic pelvic pain.[27]
For antidepressants, both tricyclic antidepressants (TCAs) and selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) have been tested for some medically unexplained symptoms. TCAs have effects on IBS, fibromyalgia, back pain, headaches, and possibly tinnitus, and single studies show a possible effect in chronic facial pain, non-cardiac chest pain, and interstitial cystitis. SSRIs are usually not effective or have only a weak effect. One exception is menopausal syndrome, where SSRIs are "possibly effective" as well as a third class of antidepressants, the serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs).[27]
A randomized controlled trial of multi-faceted, collaborative care found some improvement in the mental health of people with forms of MUS involving somatoform disorders and psychological distress.[28]
See alsoEdit
- ↑ Hellhammer, Dirk H. Stress: The Brain-Body Connection.
- ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 Explaining Medically Unexplained Symptoms Laurence J Kirmayer, MD, The Canadian Journal of Psychiatry, October 2004
- ↑ 3.0 3.1 Nimnuan C, Hotopf M, Wessely S (2001). Medically unexplained symptoms: an epidemiological study in seven specialities. J Psychosom Res 51 (1): 361–7.
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- ↑ Kisely S, Goldberg D, Simon G (September 1997). A comparison between somatic symptoms with and without clear organic cause: results of an international study.. Psychol Med 27 (5): 1011–9.
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- ↑ Creed F (October 2006). Should general psychiatry ignore somatization and hypochondriasis?. World Psychiatry 5 (3): 146–50.
- ↑ Kisely S, Simon G (February 2006). An international study comparing the effect of medically explained and unexplained somatic symptoms on psychosocial outcome.. J Psychosom Res 60 (2): 125–30.
- ↑ 12.0 12.1 Burton C (March 2003). Beyond somatisation: a review of the understanding and treatment of medically unexplained physical symptoms (MUPS).. Br J Gen Pract 53 (488): 231–9.
- ↑ Richardson RD, Engel CC Jr. "Evaluation and management of medically unexplained physical symptoms." Neurologist 2004 Jan;10(1):18-30. PMID 14720312
- ↑ 14.0 14.1 Wessely S, Nimnuan C, Sharpe M (1999). Functional somatic syndromes: one or many?. Lancet 354 (9182): 936–9.
- ↑ 15.0 15.1 15.2 Kroenke K (2007). Efficacy of treatment for somatoform disorders: a review of randomized controlled trials. Psychosom Med 69 (9): 881–8.
- ↑ Rosendal M, Fink P, Bro F, Olesen F (2005). Somatization, heartsink patients, or functional somatic symptoms? Towards a clinical useful classification in primary health care. Scandinavian Journal of Primary Health Care 21 (1): 3–10.
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- ↑ 19.0 19.1 Caring for Medically Unexplained Physical Symptoms after Toxic Environmental Exposures: Effects of Contested Causation Engel, et al. Environmental Health Perspectives, Vol 110, Nu. S4, August 2002.
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- ↑ Wessely S, White PD. There is only one functional somatic syndrome. Br J Psychiatry. 2004 Aug;185:95-6. PMID 15286058 [1]
- ↑ Page LA, Wessely S (May 2003). Medically unexplained symptoms: exacerbating factors in the doctor-patient encounter.. J R Soc Med 96 (5): 223–7.
- ↑ Toni Luxenberg, PsyD, Joseph Spinazzola, PhD, Jose Hidalgo, MD, Cheryl Hunt, PsyD, and Bessel A. van der Kolk, MD. (2001). "Complex Trauma and Disorders of Extreme Stress (DESNOS) Diagnosis, Part One: Assessment"Directions in Psychiatry, Vol 21.
- ↑ van der Kolk BA. The complexity of adaptation to trauma: Self-regulation, stimulus discrimination, and characterological development. In: van der Kolk BA, McFarlane A, Weisaeth L, eds. Traumatic Stress: The Effects of Overwhelming Experience on Mind, Body, and Society. New York: Guilford Press; 1996; 182–213.
- ↑ Steele RE, de Leeuw E, Carpenter D. "A novel and effective treatment modality for medically unexplained symptoms" J Pain Management 2009 1(4):201-212.
- ↑ Woolfolk RL, Allen LA, Tiu JE, "New directions in the treatment of somatization" Psychiatr Clin North Am. 2007 Dec;30(4):621-44
- ↑ 27.0 27.1 27.2 Jackson JL, O'Malley PG, Kroenke K (March 2006). Antidepressants and cognitive-behavioral therapy for symptom syndromes. CNS Spectr 11 (3): 212–22.
- ↑ Smith RC, Lyles JS, Gardiner JC, et al. (2006). Primary care clinicians treat patients with medically unexplained symptoms: a randomized controlled trial. Journal of general internal medicine : official journal of the Society for Research and Education in Primary Care Internal Medicine 21 (7): 671–7.
External linksEdit
- Medically Unexplained Physical Symptoms DHCC/DOD Pamphlet.
- Medically unexplained physical symptoms R. Mayou, British Medical Journal, 1991 September 7: 534–535.
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NEW YORK – First the good news on the Dustin Byfuglien injury front: the big Winnipeg Jets defenceman was on the ice today during the team's optional practice at Madison Square Garden.
And now the uncertainty: his availability for Tuesday's game against the New York Rangers won't be known until sometime before puck drop (6 p.m.; TSN/TSN1290).
Byfuglien left Sunday's 4-2 win over the New Jersey Devils in the third period after banging into the boards awkwardly. Immediately after the game head coach Claude Noel said Byfuglien would be further evaluated today.
Byfuglien did not speak to media after the morning session and a team official said that he would see how he feels on Tuesday but that he 'looks like a player for tomorrow.'
The same cannot be said for Antti Miettinen, who lasted just 17 seconds in his first game seconds before he took a puck in the lower body. Miettinen was not one of the seven skaters who practised today – aside from Byfuglien the others were Chris Thorburn, Anthony Peluso, James Wright, Eric Tangradi, Julian Melchiori and Paul Postma with both Al Montoya and Eddie Pasquale getting work in the nets.
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