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A group has been set up to defend Guiseley from development amid fears the town could be swamped by thousands of new homes.
Stressing enough is enough, the group says the town cannot cope with vast numbers of new homes – and is calling on residents to act before it is too late.
Organisers Fran Entwistle and Liz Kirkpatrick, members of Menston and Guiseley Greenbelt Protection Group, say it is obvious that Guiseley people are against further development in and around their town.
They say the infrastructure is stretched now and the situation will become untenable if future building goes ahead.
They are now asking local residents to write to those in authority in defence of their town.
The organisers say land is being considered for up to 1,170 more houses in the town under the proposed local development framework.
They say 629 possible houses could be built in the Ings Lane area, 200 at Banksfield Mount, 295 at Coach Road, Low Mills and Sodall Hill, as well as other smaller developments.
"Guiseley has seen a great deal of housing development, with around 1,500 houses built in the last ten to 15 years – including the development at High Royds which comes under the Leeds authority," they said.
"This is in excess of any other north Leeds area. The main developments have been to the north, some on green fields and some replacing industrial sites, where many Guiseley people used to work."
They say recent developments have already had a major effect on the lives of everyone in the area – with congestion on the roads and trains, loss of green space, and difficulty getting places or seeing a doctor or dentist.
They say: "You cannot move in Guiseley and this is before all the current developments have been completed.
"How much worse will it be if up to a further 1,170 are built? This cannot and should not be accepted."
They are calling on local people to contact their MP, councillors and Leeds City Council's planning department.

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WINTER PARK, Fla. – The Saint Leo women's cross country team closed out their season with a 4th place finish from the Sunshine State Conference Championships, Saturday morning from the University of Central Florida Cross County Complex. The Lions earned 109 overall points in the effort.
Saint Leo's junior Andrea Maxwell collected top team honors as she finished first for the Lions, crossing the tape with a time of 23:49.20 and placing 12th overall in the race. Maxwell's time marks the 6th fastest 6K race in Saint Leo's program history.
Also notching a place on the Saint Leo all-time fastest 6K list was senior Jillian Browne, who finished 14th in the race. Her time of 23:52.50 allowed her to beat her own personal record as well as place her 7th on the all-time list.
Finishing less than a minute behind Browne was freshman Kylie Fagan, whose time of 24:53.40 placed her 25th in the race and signaled her personal record time as a Lion.
Junior Lee Ann Antuna and freshman Shelby Adams also earned top honors as they finished in the top 40 with times of 25:45.80 and 25:48.40, respectively. Both Antuna and Adams set 2012 personal record times in the race.
Six Lions finished consecutively as Kelsey Bradley, Elyse Snyder, Christine Hartley, Ashleigh Coad, Allison Knipe and Mariah Moss finished within two minutes of each other.
New personal records for the year 2012 were also achieved by seniors Kelsey Bradley and Mariah Moss, while freshmen runners Christine Hartley, Ashleigh Coad, and Allison Knipe earned personal records during their first year donning the Saint Leo green and gold.
"I am so proud of the seniors," said head cross country coach Melissa Miller-Mangen. "Jill broke another top-10 record and Kelsey and Mariah both ran season-bests. Anytime you have athletes perform their best at the championships says a lot. Twenty out of our twenty-two Saint Leo athletes ran season or career bests. We couldn't ask for more."
Nova Southeastern's Alexandria Palm took home individual honors in the race as she crossed the tape with a time of 21:51.80 and placed first out of 68 runners. The University of Tampa took home the team championship, however, as they finished with 27 points.
The next race on the docket is the NCAA South Region Championship, which will take place at Sharon Johnston Park in Huntsville, Ala. on Nov. 3. The runners participating in that race will be announced at a later date.
For more on the men's cross country program, please visit SaintLeoLions.com. Also, be sure to 'Follow' the Lions on Twitter and 'Like' the Lions on Facebook.
This postgame recap is brought to you by Papa Joe's Italian Restaurant, located in Brooksville, Fla. Contact Papa Joe's at 352-799-3904 for dine-in or catering needs.


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What's Being Said About Your Salon? Simple Steps To Review Sites
Review sites – love 'em, or hate 'em, it's a social platform every salon owner must pay close attention to. During my social media trainings with stylists and salon owners the topic of review sites often raises heated debates. Some owners have great success with review sites and work hard to capitalize on positive reviews where some tend to avoid the topic and brush off the negative reviews.
Online recommendations and reviews allow potential customers to gain perspective on your salon's service - but there is no one monitoring the good and the bad you may be losing new business.
The best way to take control of these situations is to be aware of your review atmosphere! The three most popular salon review sites are Google Reviews, Yelp, and City Search. These sites provide a platform for clients to exchange stories, recommend a salon, or vent about a bad experience.
Here are the steps we recommend taking when it comes to managing your online review sites:
1. Know What's Being Said:
With your online reputation, awareness is key. I often work with salon owners who (at first) have no idea what is being said about them online! I suggest going back to the basics and first conduct a simple Google search for your salon and see what pops up. Review sites actually pull to the top of Google ranking, meaning, this could be the first impression a new client sees when searching for your salon online.
So, then what? The next steps in the awareness process is to also take a look at the three major review sites out there: Yelp, CitySearch and Google. It's best to know what is being said about your salon on all three sites…and trust me, in most cases, there are reviews posted, good, bad and unfortunately some times ugly. Now that you know they exist – what's next?
2. Claim Your Location:
Now it's time to claim your salon location on each review site. Each site has a "claim this location" or "are you the owner" link. By clicking on the applicable link, the site will lead you through the process of verifying you are owner, and then allow you to manage the account. You can now begin to monitor what's being said, and post feedback as the salon owner or representative. Once you have access, get ready to spruce up your online profile.
3. Build Your Profile:
When you build up your page with pictures, hours, pricing, and product information for your salon clients can view your review site and have a better feel for what your salon offers. Search engines also pick up on this information, so be sure to make your online profile robust with content.
4. Join The Conversation:
Now that you are up and running as the owner of your salon's profile within each review site, you can join the conversation. You may be shocked at the amount of online "chatter" about your salon, but keep in mind that regardless if it is position or negative, it's imperative to respond to all of it!
This is your opportunity to interact with reviewers and perhaps turn a negative experience in to a positive by addressing the situation and offering to 'right' the wrong. Provide the unhappy client with a coupon, or discounted service to allow them to come back in and experience your salon in a positive light. Never declare war on a past client with a negative review – often times they just want to be heard and by responding you are showing other potential clients that you are taking responsibility to fix the situation. On the flip side, be sure to reward your positive reviewers and share those great reviews on your social networks.
5. Continually Monitor:
Similar to any social platform, it's important to continually monitor your online reputation and feedback. Make checking your online reviews part of your weekly or bi-weekly to-do list!
Keep in mind, like any other online or social media remaining positive in your feedback keeps your salon in good standing. Remember, you are responding in a public forum, so address each review as if a potential client may see your comments.
6. Integrate into your salon experience
Finally, with those five steps in place, remember to ask your clients for reviews. Let clients know they can find you on Yelp, Google and CitySearch and that you would appreciate their feedback. Everyone loves to be asked their opinion and what better way to spread the good word about your salon than to have numerous positive reviews!
As always, feel free to contact me at: [email protected] with any questions or comments.
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Swarm Season
There are multiple reasons bees swarm. First and foremost, lack of space for the Queen to lay. As we become better Beekeepers, one of our first benefits are strong colonies coming out of Winter. In Texas our "Honey Bee Spring" starts in February.
Doing a quick hive inspection on warm days beginning the first of February is essential for circumventing swarms. You will notice that the stores that encompassed the previous Fall brood chamber are now being back filled with brood. This is your sign! Consider 1 of 2 options...Either add an additional brood box on top (with at least 4 center frames of drawn comb) or prep to make a split.
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Double Feature 2Rebus brain teasers use words or letters in interesting orientations to represent common phrases.
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Detective Morneau: "Where were you on the night of the 15th of March?"
A: "I was studying at the library."
B: "I was baking cookies for the church social."
C: "I was working at the diner."
D: "I was undergoing surgery at the hospital."
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HintOne of the movies starred Brendan Fraser; the other was released in 1968.
AnswerMovie #1
The Mummy (the letter "E" says nothing, or "the mum E"), Brendan Fraser, 1999
Movie #2
The Odd Couple (the indicated numbers are both odd, or "the odd couple"), Jack Lemmon, 1968
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Fendi Fall 2011
Fendi's backdrop—a Cubist collage made from scraps of corrugated cardboard and burlap that almost subliminally formed the house's trademark linked Fs—suggested a painterly approach for the collection. This was borne out by the gaggle of Bloomsbury Set art students who strutted down the runway, seemingly fresh from life class, from the streaks of red dye in their hair that suggested an absent moment with a paintbrush to their ribbed wool stockings in shades of mustard, teal, or brick red, tucked into chunky-heeled perforated leather Mary Janes.
But if boho chic—of the type espoused by Silvia Venturini Fendi's It Girl daughter Delfina Delettrez—was the message of the Miss Marple rib knit skirts (and sweatpants), and the drop-waisted Poiret coats, this throwaway chic was achieved with the kind of luxurious effects of which Karl Lagerfeld is uniquely capable. The furs, as ever, were especially inventive, from the insouciant combinations of sable, chinchilla, fox, and Mongolian lamb—in a single coat—to the fur patches crafted to suggest camouflage, the tufted fox bibs that mirrored the spiraling volutes of felted wool at the necks of prim little day dresses, and even a sheepskin apron.
The defined shape handbags—think of the ones that habitually nestle in the crook of Queen Elizabeth's arm, then overscale them and color them eccentric—were offset by the felt totes in the intriguing accent colors of the collection, surely instantly destined for every fashionista's wish list.
A magical effect was achieved in coats cut from herringbone strips of fox fur, each seam with an insertion of fluttering tulle (painted with golden dots) sewn into it, so that they sparkled and twinkled as the models pranced, like the mysterious matte-black sequin embroideries worn beneath them.


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Poll Result: You'd be a NFL Player's Wife on One Condition!
A recent poll reveals your thoughts concerning sportsmen.
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- Yes, but only if I were in love with him: 49%
- No, I'm not a trophy wife!: 26%
- Yes, I'd be his biggest fan!: 13%
- Bleh, I hate football, so no: 9%
- I'd be the sports star in the relationship: 3%
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In accordance with municipal laws we do not provide rentals of our residences for fewer than 30 days. In fact we only offer membership packages which feature a variety of activities and experiences around New York City and of which access to a residence is an incidental and ancillary component. Benefits may include any or all of the following features: Access to our Members Lounge and Business Center, Express pass to dozens of New York City tourism attractions, Dining discounts and credits accepted at numerous locations around Manhattan, Discounts on shopping experiences, Discounts on Broadway shows, tours and leisure excursions, Access to our members lounge and business center, Access to a travel advisor, monthly newsletter, a NYC travel guidebook and app, Discounts on luggage storage and more. These membership benefits are included in the rates quoted. Our advertisements may reflect a rate that could change at any time based on our membership plans and packages so please inquire with us for exact pricing as well as a specific list of the membership benefits you will receive with your membership. The most up to date rates will always be available by contacting us. The facilities are not hotels and therefore do not necessarily comply with the same fire safety and building code requirements as a hotel nor is there a front desk or membership staff at all of the facilities. We do not supply daily housekeeping services and other amenities commonly expected during a hotel stay.
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I recommend this apartment very well located in Manhattan. It is spacious, we were 7 people. The description is consistent with reality. No worries to retrieve the keys, wifi works ... Small least one bathroom for 4 bedrooms this is too little and 2 rooms have a view of the tiny courtyard not very clean. Otherwise pleasant stay ....
Je conseille cet appartement très bien situé dans Manhattan. Il est spacieux, nous étions 7 personnes. La description est conforme à la réalité. Aucun soucis pour récupérer les clefs, le wifi fonctionne ... Les petits moins, 1 salle de bain pour 4 chambres c'est trop peu et 2 des chambres ont une vue sur la minuscule cour intérieur pas très propre. Sinon agréable séjour ....
Hey. We were 2 families who traveled to New York and had a fantastic holiday. New York was so exciting and wonderful as we had hoped for. We stayed very central and the apartment was very rude. We cooked some food even in the apartment and it could have been better equipped. The water in the shower went from freezing to very hot. Went smoothly and retrieve the key that was 12 streets away from where we lived. Otherwise we had no contact with the host except some messages before departure. We missed probably a little more information from the host regarding the apartment, but overall the stay was great.
Hei. Vi var 2 familier som reiste sammen til New York og hadde en fantastisk ferie. New York var så spennende og fantastisk som vi hadde håpet på. Vi bodde veldig sentralt og leiligheten var helt grei. Vi lagde en del mat selv i leiligheten og den kunne ha vært noe bedre utrustet. Vannet i dusjen gikk fra iskaldt til veldig varmt. Gikk greit og hente nøkkelen som lå 12 gater unna der vi bodde. Ellers hadde vi ingen kontakt med verten bortsett fra noen meldinger før avreise. Vi savnet nok litt mer informasjon fra verten ang. leiligheten , men totalt var oppholdet topp.
The amended accommodation was good and had a good stay, we did have problems with the noise what is our sleep has cost, we suspect that we ourselves are lured because of this problem, to another location or we played again this choice will make remains to be seen.
De gewijzigde accomodatie was goed en hebben een goed verblijf gehad, we hebben wel problemen gehad met de lawaai wat wel onze nachtrust heeft gekost, wij vermoeden zelf dat wij naar een andere locatie zijn gelokt vanwege dit probleem, of wij de volgende keer weer deze keuze zullen maken is nog te bezien.
Very good location and good size apartment with all the necessities for our party of 8 people. Quite a few restaurants nearby and a subway station just down the street. We had a problem with the radiators that wouldn't stop heating and one of them had a broken knob. We called the agency who were very nice and helpful and sent a man to fix it - it didn't help though... Also it was litterally painful to shower in the apartment because of the water temperature that was constantly changing between either ice cold or burning hot, and that caused us quite a bit of frustration during our stay.
Besides from that the apartment was very nice and clean and with plenty of towels and we enjoyed our stay!
The location of the apartment (Thompson Street/Houston Street) is very good, subway stations are quite nearby and there are lots of supermarkets, shops and restaurants in the neighborhood.
The flat is located on the 3rd floor which is not very convenient with luggage because there is no elevator; unfortunately it could have been cleaner.
Beautiful Apartment very nice clean functional group or family (be careful tuileaux heating are very chaut especially for children ages low) the apartment is close to shops and transportation metro area very lively in the evening great.
Beau Appartement très fonctionnel propre très agréable en groupe ou en famille (faire attention au tuileaux de chauffage qui sont très chaut surtout pour les enfants à bas âges ) l appartement est près des commerces et des transport métro quartier tres vivant le soir très bien situé .
David himself, we have never seen but removal of key proceeded normally. Afterwards had no fees. The apartment had everything we 4 girls aged 20, needed. It was small but clean and tidy and the neighbors are very friendly. Very good location: close to central park. Supermarkets, cinemas and shops are nearby. The only downside is the noise from the street at night but mostly we were so tired that we just went through.
David zelf hebben we nooit gezien maar afhaling van sleutel verliep normaal. Achteraf ook geen kosten meer gehad. Het appartement had alles wat wij, 4 meisjes van 20 jaar, nodig hadden. Het was er klein maar proper en in orde en de buren zijn zeer vriendelijk. Zeer goede ligging: vlak aan central park. Supermarkten, cinema's en winkels zijn dichtbij. Enig nadeel is het geluid van de straat 's nachts maar meestal waren we zo moe dat we daar gewoon doorsliepen.
This apartment is very compact and 4 flight up (no lift). The beds and pillows are not comfortable and need to be replaced. The hot water supply to the shower is irregular and in winter having cold showers is not pleasant. I would not recommend this apartment to anyone with children or over the age of 50. The location is excellent but it does not offset the negatives.
Excellent apartment location, central and close to the station mestropolitana. Good cleaning conditions ....... a bit 'too small bedrooms! silvia Efrati
Ottima la posizione dell'appartamento, centrale e vicino alla stazione della mestropolitana. Buone le condizioni di pulizia.......un po' troppo piccole le camere da letto!
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The location is excellent. In a quieter area but still very close to the hustle and bustle. The subway is just a few minutes walk. Central Park and MoMA are a short walk.
Apartment is decent size for the price. Having two bedrooms separate from living room is nice.
One downside is street noise b/c it is ground level, but we knew that going into it. Just bring some earplugs if you're a light sleeper.
The only bad thing is we discovered our last night that there were cockroaches in the kitchen.... not sure if this apartment is sprayed regularly.
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Topic: NIH trial - still working!
I returned last week from NIH with stable results. No change from scans done two months ago. I am happy with stable! I am even more happy that stable came without chemo!! They say as long as there is not growth - the cells are still doing their job. I go back in March for next checkup and will keep everyone posted.
I have really enjoyed talking with so many of you over the past few months, it has been great to put voices to names. It helps to share our stories, and I want to be able to help answer any questions that I can. My prayers are with each and everyone of you...stay strong, keep the faith and God Bless you!!
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Seasonic Platinum Series 860W - Platinum without the Fussby Martin Kaffei on 2/24/2012 12:00 AM EST
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theeldest - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkMaybe it's just me but I didn't see any pictures of the sleeved cables, eventhough they're specifically called out as being quite nice.
"pics or it didnt happen" Reply
Stuka87 - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkI was just going to say the same thing. Was looking for photos of the cables but didn't find any. Reply
just4U - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkI mentioned that earlier.. still waiting for a reply from Martin. Reply
Earballs - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkGoing based on the picture of the 24pin.. it can't be /that/ nice. Reply
cyberguyz - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkAll of the cables on my Seasonic Platunum 860 came beautifully sleeved.
No complaints at all with the quality of this PSU or its bag of goodies. Reply
aznofazns - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkThis might seem really superficial, but the main reason I probably won't get this PSU is because the 24-pin ATX connector on the PSU side isn't compatible with the 24-pin cable on the X-650. When I first heard of the Platinum Series I was intent on getting one due to the longer 8-pin EPS cable (the motherboard tray on my V2120X is too long for my current one to be routed behind). This is important to me because I'm in the process of sleeving all my cables with MDPC-X for the purpose of aesthetics.
Other than that, this PSU is amazing. Seasonic consistently delivers the very best power supplies in every wattage class, and even their budget offerings outshine the competition. Will the ultra high energy efficiency recover the extra cost over time? Probably not. Almost certainly not. But at least you know you're doing the environment a slight favor and can be quite confident that your components won't be fried by a faulty PSU. Reply
rtothedizzy - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkIf you're happy with the x-650 and you don't need there extra power then there is probably no good reason to upgrade at that cost.
If you're going to all the trouble to individually sleeve the cables then "length of cables" isn't all that compelling of an excuse not to upgrade (if that's you're only reason). It's a very small additional investment in time and $$ to buy a crimper, some new atx pins, and a roll of 18 or 20 gauge wire and make new cables any length you need. It even makes sleeving easier since you don't have to get the sleeve over the connector pin (you can crimp it on after you get the sleeve on the wire). It would also let you get away with 1/16 sleeving instead of the usual 1/8.
Just a friendly suggestion :) Reply
bigboxes - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkYou do know they sell extraction tools that allow you to remove the connectors so that you can easily sleeve your wiring. Reply
rtothedizzy - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkYes. I don't see how you would individually sleeve the cables (as I was talking about) without taking the pins out.
ATX pins can be very difficult to get dense 1/16 sleeving over, whereas the wire with no pin is not hard at all to get 1/16 sleeving over.
Or you can just go 1/8 and it doesn't really matter.
My point remains though, if you're going to individually sleeve your cables then making longer cables out of wires and pins is not much added annoyance. Reply
elian123 - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkCan we expect platinum PSUs at lower wattages too? Now it only seems 750W and higher? Reply
Death666Angel - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkKingwin/Super Flower have 500W, 550W, 600W and Enermax has 500W and 600W as well. Reply
ShieTar - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkKingwin has a 300W even, and Sama has a 400W. You can always check for Platinum certified supplies directly at the source:
There are 90 Platinum certifications by now. Reply
adece - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkAntec has its Earth Watts Series which was recently bumped to Platinum efficiency, although this are not modular, not even semi. Reply
elian123 - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkOK, great. Thanks guys, I'd only noticed reviews of the bigger ones up till now. Reply
Martin Kaffei - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkI'll test the Antec 450W soon. Reply
Leyawiin - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkJust got a gold X-560. I'll never buy another brand now. Reply
AnnoyedGrunt - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkI have an older Seasonic (can't remember which model), but it is an awesome power supply. I live in a heavily wooded area and often on windy days the trees hitting the power lines will cause the lights to flicker, sometimes my monitor to power cycle, but through it all my computer will stay on and working due to the excellent properties of the Seasonic. I, too, will keep buying what I consider to be the best brand in power supplies these days.
Good to hear their current products are even better than the older model I use.
-AG Reply
rrohbeck - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkSame here. The other day we had a power glitch and the light went out for a fraction of a second. I went over to my big system to see if it would reboot cleanly (it's also a file server) but it was still running. Nice! It uses an X750 Gold. Reply
aurareturn - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkI have had a Corsair HX 520 modular PSU since 2007. It's made by Seasonic. Still running like a champ.
Also have another Corsair Seasonic PSU in my new computer. Running for 2 years now. Still great. Reply
piroroadkill - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkI had an HX520 for so long, that now I gave it to my brother for his system to replace a generic. Still works perfectly.
Got myself a Seasonic X-660. The packaging, the look of the thing, the fully modular design - it screams class. Reply
Death666Angel - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkI read that OCP isn't that necessary in a single rail 12V design with the 12V offering nearly the whole capacity. General overpower protection is enough there. Is that not true? Reply
Martin Kaffei - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkHi,
if there is an overcurrent on one ouput only, the total power might be below the level for OPP. Reply
Death666Angel - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkSo, you are saying 3V and 5V could draw overcurrents then? :P That would be a special situation in this day and age. Reply
Martin Kaffei - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkThat won't be simple. The ouput cables are parallel-connected to 12V which means the current usually gets shared. But it might happen that a high current will flow through a single cable when resistance is low enough. E.g. an unwanted bridge between two pins.
This is no short circuit since there are enough resistors (or components with resistance) between the voltage source (secondary winding) and the output. SCP doesn't work.
This is no over power since resistance is low enough that you don't need much work (voltage) to transport load carrier. Voltage will be much lower. Power is the product of voltage and current which means the total power might be below the settings for OPP, even if current is high. OPP doesn't elese. Reply
versesuvius - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkWhat is the guaranty on this power supply? 5 years? 7 years? Or just 2 years? Reply
InsaneScientist - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkPg 2. - Last sentence of the second paragraph:
"Seasonic also provides a 7-year warranty..." ;) Reply
versesuvius - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkYes, I missed that. Actually the Seasonic site is equally skimpy on this little detail as well.
It would be a really good idea if Anandtech provided a spec sheet of sorts for the reviewed products so that they could be glanced for basic info. This particular review saves a lot more than that, which in the case of a "Best PSU Ever" and a Gold award, it is certainly lacking.
I searched for "guaranty" on all pages before posting. I should have searched for "warranty". Being an Iranian I always thought that they are the same, but it looks like they are the same at the same time that they are not (i.e. You take the manufacturer to court for "guaranty", and reseller or distributor for "warranty"):
Anyway, here is a 100 months on the spot replacement guaranty:
The page says that the power is certified Platinum by EPRI-EPA, but it is sold under 80-Plus Gold. (Maybe Platinum for 230v and Gold for 110v. :) ) Reply
ProtonGuy - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkGuarantee is the more common spelling in this day and age by the way. Reply
AnnihilatorX - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkSeasonic always makes extremely good PSU and they haven't disappoint this time either
I own an X-560. Before I bought Seasonic I was with Enemax.
someone need to convince me really hard not to buy from Seasonic again Reply
entity279 - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkOwn one for 1 about month and a half. It was a (pricey) no brainer since I wanted spare power (my current sistem uses less than 400W in full load but it will be upgraded from time to time), efficiency & absolute silence. The Super Flower based alternatives were nowhere to be found in my country (Romania).
So far works perfectly. Reply
Exodite - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkMany thanks for an excellent review, the technical details is what keeps bringing me back to AnandTech.
I'm currently using a Seasonic SS460-FL myself, the 460W X-Series fanless model, and it's been all but perfect. The only issue is what I'd consider the high electrical noise, something the unit shared with the M12 2 800W model it replaced, but it's tolerable in a suitably isolated case.
Before I scare anyone off by that comment I should note that I'm extremely picky about noise, to the point that I'm running the two 140m fans on my CPU cooler (a Noctua NH-C14) at 750RPM because anything above that is too loud to my taste.
Like many other posters here I will continue buying Seasonic PSUs for the foreseeable future due to their impeccable quality and performance. Skimping on what's essentially the heart and circulatory system of your computer always struck me as ill-advised. Reply
Martin Kaffei - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkSome fanless PSUs had a noisy PFC choke, the source might be magnetostriction. Often a magnetic field is not constant because current changes or other inductivities trouble the choke. This deforms the materials and makes such noises.
Since there is no fan noise you can hear the electrical noise much better. In truth the electrical noises are at the same level as always. Reply
dj christian - Thursday, March 01, 2012 - linkSo you'r running only the CPU-fans? Are the rest passive? Reply
kensiko - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkGood but did you review the Kingwin (Super flower) ? I saw some reviews and everybody agrees that the components are of high quality.
I did buy a Kingwin and I class it as good as Seasonic (I owned a Seasonic before) Reply
kensiko - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkI'm talking about the Lazer Platinum Series for sure. Reply
Beenthere - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkIME few reviewers consider Super Flower/Kingwin in the same class as Seasonic. Reply
palindrome - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkYou must not read PSU reviews then... Reply
Breit - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkYou say that this 860W model is the best PSU SeaSonic has to offer, but what about the 1000W unit SS-1000XP released in Q4-2011? I thought it is actually the same PSU with higher ratings?! It even has the 80 PLUS Platinum label and also has exceptionally good efficiency over a wide range of loads well above 90% from 20% load to 100% load. I think it should at least get mentioned in the article. The Gold-units from SeaSonic you are referring to were released in 2010 i think.
Besides that thanks for this very good article, its always a pleasure reading anadtech. Reply
Martin Kaffei - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkIt is fair to say Seasonic made the best current series, but I didn't test the (original) 1KW version yet. Reply
Conscript - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkYou talk about how great they are, but no pics? Reply
Martin Kaffei - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkTcha, that's one disadvantage of those full modular PSUs.
I always forget the cables. I'm sorry. Reply
Cobra Commander - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkDispleased with the subjective noise levels - they're 100% meaningless to me.
Create a standard on how Anandtech wishes to objectively-benchmark PSU noise and stick to it, please. Reply
Oxford Guy - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkAgreed.
The chart says "strong fan noise" and then the article's body text talks about how very quiet it is at high load.
? ? ? Reply
vicbee - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkWhat?!? They didn't get your Platinum Award?!? how disappointing... Reply
rtothedizzy - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkI think you might have overstated your conclusion a bit.
While this is a great power supply it's hard to argue that it is superior to its 1000W big brother which (I believe) matches this one in all the efficiency, regulation, and noise benchmarks and adds another 140W.
The only way I can see you claiming this one is better is maybe a price/W metric or whenever you wrote this article you weren't aware of the 1000W version. Reply
just4U - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkMartin,
How about some pictures of the cables please. These things are important to many of us as we like to see what they look like for case work arounds asthetics, what type of ribbons their using or sleeving etc.
TY! Reply
Martin Kaffei - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkDone.
There will be more pictures next week. The 24-pin cable is probably a bad example, but this was the only picture I made. The peripheral cables are more opaque. Reply
tzhu07 - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkI'm currently on a SeaSonic X750. I like the hybrid fan mode. Keeps things quiet when I'm not doing much. Reply
Nfarce - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkI've got a SS 620W Bronze running an older now-backup gaming rig and it's been flawless for over two years (overclocked E8400, SLI'd o/c GTX 275s). However, the reviews of the 1000W version of this PS on NewEgg are a little disconcerting with a 25% failure/DOA rate - especially at this level of supposed quality (and price). Reply
AssBall - Friday, February 24, 2012 - link$220... ouch. But I guess if you need the best, you pay for it. Reply
kmmatney - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkYup. I'd really like one of these, but find it hard to justify the big price jump to get to platinum efficiency. You can get all the PSU you need (Corsair GS800) for $115. It is nice, though. I'm still running a Corsair TX650 which I bought 5 years ago for $90 or so. Reply
Hrel - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkMost seasonics have NO noise under about half load. Why is this one noisy? Also what's with the "electrical noise". I don't wanna hear a damn thing. "Best power supply ever", psh, not if I can hear it. Reply
palindrome - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkMartin,
It is hard to take much stock from your review. Especially when you write a garbage conclusion that claims Super Flower products a bad product because of their name. The last Super Flower manufactured PSU reviewed on Anandtech was 10/16/2008 by Christoph Katzer. Also, your testing equipment and methodology is not listed in this article. For all we, as readers, know, you could be using a kill-a-watt and a RadioShack multimeter. You should also list your error tolerance for your readings, no matter what equipment you are using. When I read this article, I thought I might have mistakenly been redirected to Tom's for a moment.
I'm sure reviewers such as yourself all have opinions and incentives to write nice reviews for the generous companies who give you free, expensive toys to play with. However, you should let your test results do the talking and provide some of the basic information, such as methodology, just like we all learned in 5th grade science class, so that you can be much more credible. This isn't the worst PSU review I've seen from a major tech site (Tom's has that locked down tight), but I certainly expect more from Anandtech.
Time to get flamed by the herd. Reply
smilingcrow - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkWe're not worthy.
I have the 400W Gold fanless version and we've set a date for the autumn. Reply
Crypticone - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkI would really like to see some real world usage testing. Clearly every uses computers in a different manner and I am not sure the best way to go about it.
Much like you have a very standardized testing bed for computer cases. It would be nice to have some measure of power usage over a certain period of time.
Using the same computer setup run the system for two hours at idle speed measuring power usage. Then two hours looping some gaming type benchmark. Then two hours of scripted web browsing. Then an hour fully loading the CPU with prime. Then maybe two hours of streaming media to a media player of some sort.
Then it would be nice to see how much power is saved between the units. It would be interesting to see where the mock breakeven point is power savings vs the added cost of these new pricey power supplies vs a gold or silver rated PSU.
This might be more of a feature article then something done for every PSU you review. Reply
John Doe - Friday, February 24, 2012 - linkThat SuperFlower you just threw off in a whim makes a unit that outdoes the Platinum 1000; the LZP-1000.
It gets about 30mV ripple against the 60's of the SeaSonic, has quicker transient turn-on response and sells for $70 cheaper.
One of the main goals of a review is to be subjective, which is what this review is not. This is a load of garbage. Reply
smilingcrow - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkFrom the review you linked to:
"If you want the absolute best power supply we have seen then you still want the Seasonic Platinum-1000."
And you want a review to be objective not subjective! Reply
Martin Kaffei - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkJohn,
I got an XFX PSU which is exactly like the 1KW version from Seasonic and I never saw more than 30 mV as well.
Does HardOCP measure with capacitors conformable to ATX specification? You need them to simulate system load, otherwise the results do not apply to a real PC.
Hereunder Seasonic might be worse than SuperFlower, but your PC doesn't get the pure ripple. With ATX test environments Seasonic is always as good as or even better than SuperFlower. Reply
John Doe - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkWhat're you on about? Yes, Paul puts all the units in an incubutor for at least 8 hours. And you? Have you even explained your test methodology? You aren't making any sense and aren't fooling anybody with little SMPS knowledge.
If you look at Oklahoma Wolf's results, you can find the same. The Golden King 1000 (which you labeled as a joke just because of it's name) usually has lower ripple, better transient response, better cooling and sells for cheaper. The only thing the SeaSonic has over it is better regulation.
It's clear that either you're unknowledgeable or you have a personal agenda, with the latter making more sense. Excuse my bluntness, but you're diviving into pure nonsense. Reply
DanNeely - Saturday, February 25, 2012 - linkYou've got 28 pins on the PSU for a 24pin cable. Reply
marraco - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - link"The Best PSU Ever" cannot have a noisy fan. Reply
cyberguyz - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - link"The direct competitors include the already mentioned Enermax Platimax 750W / Platimax 850W and the Golden King Platinum design (Kingwin LZP-750) from Super Flower. The latter offering isn't just questionable in name, but the missing overcurrent protection and MOV are also a major drawback. As such, we wouldn't put that particular unit in the same category as the Seasonic; Super Flower products in general use cheaper quality."
It was a reasonably good article tarnished by the reviewer's obvious hate for anything not Seasonic.
There is no taking away from Seasonic at putting out a kickass power supply. I like them so much I bought one myself and it is currently powering the system I am writing this on. But to unilaterally state something like "Super Flower products in general use cheaper quality." without posting quantitative data to back it up or "The latter offering isn't just questionable in name, but the missing overcurrent protection and MOV are also a major drawback" without actually looking at the reasons why they are not included (and there is one if you bother to look). Are these actually required on a power supply with a single large 12v rail (OCP is definitely a must for mutiple 12v rails to keep a power hog on one of them from burning out the limited rail)? For what? Please expand on why this is such a major drawback? Reply
kensiko - Sunday, February 26, 2012 - linkWell said.
It's not because Super flower produced cheaper power supplies that all their power supplies are cheap.
I hope Martin will think before making another statement as that. Reply
Risforrocket - Monday, February 27, 2012 - linkHeck yeah I already bought one. So glad this review shows it to be as good as I thought it was going to be. All my power supplies have been Seasonic in recent years. Reply
cyberguyz - Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - linkIt is an excellent PSU. I replaced a Corsair HX850 with it (the Corsair was losing some of its regulation edge with age). So far I am really happy with its clean power delivery, tight regulation and efficiency (I hate waste).
The downside is that it is a costly beastie but that is to be expected. It is after all one of the best available (yes there are others just as good) in that wattage range. Quality costs.
While I would not call this review objective, the product itself does merit some of the author's excitement. I would look to jonnyguru.com for more technical and objective power supply reviews though.
Cheers folks! Reply
LintMan - Tuesday, February 28, 2012 - linkIt looks like Seasonic finally increased the length of the ATX12V/EPS12V cables a bit - but they're still too short!
For many/most case and motherboard layouts these days, those cables need to be able to reach from the bottom-mounted PSU around behind the MB, up to the very top edge of the MB. Even in some mid-size cases, 65cm isn't long enough! My Seasonic X750 had 55cm cables and I had to buy a 15cm extension for it with my Antec P280 case, and even then it was barely long enough. These cables really should be 75cm to cover most non-jumbo cases. Reply
shawkie - Sunday, May 13, 2012 - linkTechnically I'm talking about the 1kW version (SS-1000XP) and can't comment on the 860W version but it seems that the fanless mode is a complete lie. My PC has an i7 3770T (45W TDP) plus an SSD and an optical drive. I haven't measured it yet but even under full load I doubt it hits 100W. And yet its now idling in 22 degC ambient and the PSU fan is spinning. Its definitely in Hybrid mode and if I flip the switch it gets louder. Its really, really quiet but all the specifications say it should be "fanless" and "0 rpm" up to 30% load. If I'd known that wasn't true I would have got the 460W fanless instead. Reply
owen10578 - Sunday, December 18, 2016 - linkIm way late to the party but can anyone answer which connectors are connected to which 12v rails? Because I think my unit keeps on tripping if I load the CPU and GPU and the OCN guys said I might be plugging all my components to all one 12v rail. Reply
owen10578 - Sunday, December 18, 2016 - linkIm way late to the party but can anyone answer which connectors are connected to which 12v rails? Because I think my unit keeps on tripping if I load the CPU and GPU and the OCN guys said I might be plugging all my components to all one 12v rail. Reply


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For this week's mod interview, by request of folks within our forums, I decided to talk with popular Oblivion modders Kivan and Quarn (real names Kevin and David). While they live about as far apart as one could imagine (Quarn's in Australia, Kivan hails from Canada), they managed to put out some great work, particularly their Unofficial Oblivion Patch, which cleans up and polishes several elements of the game.
I asked the guys about the projects they've worked on, how they like to work, and more. Here's what they had to say:
Within our forums, folks recommended interviewing you as a team. What projects have you worked on together?
Quarn: Me and Kevin met and teamed up on the forums for UOP and we've worked together for all the unofficial patches we've done for Oblivion.
Kivan: Quarn and I have worked on the Unofficial Oblivion Patch (UOP) and the Unofficial Official Mods Patch (UOMP), though more so just the former. Quarn developed the UOMP independently and handed it over to me a few months ago when he took an ongoing sabbatical break from modding. I re-released it and made it a self-installer as the UOP and USIP (Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch) are, and added a few more fixes to it. I'm planning on releasing a new edition of both within the next week if possible.
Why do you think folks should use the Unofficial Oblivion Patch & the Unofficial Official Mods patch?
Quarn: For newcomers to Oblivion you most likely wouldn't notice any of the bugs we've fixed but as you play more you will start to notice what should and shouldn't be. If you like a nearly bug-less game, then these mods are for you.
Kivan: As well as fixing many leftover quest, NPC, dialog, item, spell and other bugs and problems that were not addressed by the official patches, I consider them to be a complement to the game's greatest asset: immersion. For example, some would say that minor placement issues with statics (of which we're up to over forty-two thousand) aren't worth counting as errors or correcting, but I disagree. Oblivion's outdoor spaces are beyond gorgeous and my favorite part of the game is just running around in the wilderness to see what's out there. The trees sway in the breeze, birdsong fills the air, and there's a certain ruddy cast of light at the day's end that perfectly recreates reality. I can completely lose myself in it… until the first error shows itself, such as a see-through rock or a tree not attached to the ground. I think that we are adding much value to the immersion factor by getting rid of numerous cosmetic errors such as this.
How many other folks (estimate) worked on these projects?
Quarn: Me and Kevin are the main people who work on these projects but we've had heaps of bug reports from forum members. Some have fixed the bugs for us, we credited a total of 18 people in UOP's readme for their great contributions.
Kivan: The UOMP was almost completely Quarn and I alone (AlienSlof helped on some icons), but the UOP is very much a community effort. About twenty other people have contributed something to it, be it one or more corrected NIF meshes, DDS graphic files, scripts, or other resources. Five or six have pointed out enough for us to fix that they are on the credits list as well, and about a hundred others have pointed out one or more that we ended up fixing too either through forum posts, PM's or e-mails. There are currently six other people now helping with the project noted above (checking every object in every playable cell in Tamriel) for which my sanity and I are immensely grateful. Wormheart (who is best-known for the Natural Interiors mod) has also been contributing much in the past few months, which has nicely offset Quarn's sabbatical absence.
Can you guys talk about the advantages of working with others to complete a project? Disadvantages?
Quarn: The bigger the group of people the harder it is to manage and that's why we've stay with just the two of us, this allows us to work more efficiently. Kevin takes care of most of the esp related bugs while I take care of bugs in the files (nifs, textures etc.) but we both do a little of everything.
Kivan: The usual items in the disadvantage pile are compromise and coordination difficulties, but I've been fortunate to not see these nor any other disadvantages. Instead, I've seen plenty of cross-pollination of ideas, corrections of each other's mistakes, and a general improvement in the output from what we would produce ourselves. Sometimes one gets hung up on a simple problem that just needs a fresh perspective.
Quarn, can you tell us what things you did differently with the Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch?
Quarn: Only thing that we did differently was we started actively looking for bugs right away instead of waiting for bug report by forums members, with Oblivion we had a lot of bug reports to follow before we decided to start searching for bugs ourselves.
Kivan: Quarn is too generous… he did it all. I picked up the slack in vanilla while he worked on the USIP. I hope to contribute to it soon.
When was the last time you guys played the "vanilla" version of Oblivion? Also, do you guys spend more time modding games than playing games?
Quarn: I'm a purist when it comes to mods and only use mods that don't upset the balance/feel of the original game. The last time I played vanilla Oblivion was when I first got it, I finished all the quests and guilds then moved onto modding. I've spent more time modding than actually playing Oblivion, but Oblivion is the only game I really modded for as the tools provided by Bethesda and the community are great unlike a lot of other games.
Kivan: Vanilla? What's that? 🙂 My last unmodded game was just before the first official patch came out. Actually I'd been working on a small mod (the Encyclopedia Cyrodiilica) that I made to get my feet wet in the Construction Set at the time, but that was all. After the first patch, work on the UOP began in earnest. My modding to playing ratio was initially about 2:1 but has grown to perhaps 10:1 (10 hours modding for each hour played) as the quest bugs that require extensive play-testing have been dealt with, and we're left with object placement, which is extremely time-consuming.
What other games have you done mod work for? Any that you're dying to get your hands on?
Quarn: A few personal mods for Morrowind but that's it, as for modding for other games none at the moment.
Kivan: I was bitten by the Debug bug in Baldur's Gate II after the first official patch when it did not address a game-breaker in the main quest, and ended up spending about a year on it, its expansion, then Baldur's Gate I. Other than an included script compiler which was intended for the player to write their own party AI but fortunately would still compile any other game scripting, we proto-modders were on our own then. No Construction Set or other official toolset was ever released, and contrary to popular assumption, all the BG titles only ever had one official patch released for them. Most of the fixes were done using a hex editor, which for the dialog trees with their pointers-to-pointers was more than a little difficult. I was planning on making the expected transition from Baldur's Gate to Neverwinter Nights when it was due to appear, but in the interim just to pass the time I picked up a title that someone I worked with had recommended… it was called "Morrowind". I ended up never playing NWN or much else after that until Oblivion came out. There was already an Unofficial Patch for Morrowind so I had to content myself with fixing all the typos and other text errors. In the highly unlikely event that I'm done with Oblivion by the time it's released, I may give Fallout 3 a try. I prefer fantasy RPG to a living-will-envy-the-dead post-apocalyptic world, but FO3 looks to be well-done enough that I might be able to get over it. But my must-have will of course be Elder Scrolls V.
Do you guys have any upcoming projects that you'd like to talk about?
Quarn: An unofficial patch for the newly released official mod "Fighter's Stronghold," of course.
Kivan: Completion of the UOP/UOMP so that I can finally move on to Shivering Isles and work on the USIP are my only current or upcoming projects at the present time.
Outside of projects you've worked on, what are some of your favorite Oblivion mods?
Quarn: My favorites are the official mods, I've never really been enticed by mods other than my own.
Kivan: There are too many excellent mods out there for me to list them all, so unfortunately I have to leave many out and hope that no feelings get hurt. I also haven't tried as many as would be expected due to what I do… have to run a clean official-only install during the play-testing as would be expected, so haven't been able to have more than a brief look at some of the larger game-transforming mods. With this in mind, I like everything that AlienSlof, Nicoroshi and Scruggsywuggsy the Ferret have ever done, and WillieSea's Clocks of Cyrodiil. Would like to play a little more with Deadly Reflex as well as it's a technical breakthrough.
Are there any modders out there that you're dying to work with?
Quarn: Nope.
Kivan: Already have. The ones I want to work with are the ones that contributed to the projects.
Have you ever considered working in game development?
Quarn: I've thought about it but I don't know about turning something fun into work and something you get paid to do…
Kivan: Gaming is a business, and when the business side says it's time to move on to the next project, one has to let things be less than perfect. If I could get over that, I think I would enjoy working in the industry.