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Monday, March 10, 2008
Follow the Sourdough - Day 5: The Sponge
Here's what you'll see in the last episodes, and what you'll need to plan for:
You take your starter and make what's called a "sponge" (that's today's video). This sponge must sit out for between 4 and 10 hours to ferment and become very bubbly (pictured here after 30 minutes).
Then, we use part of the sponge to make our dough. This needs to rise and double in size. The sourdough rises much slower than regular yeast bread, so I let it rise overnight.
After the dough has risen, we punch it down, and form a loaf. This loaf of sourdough must then be allowed to double in size before being baked (usually 3 to 6 hours).
Once you've seen the last episodes, you should be able to plan the final bread making. Don't worry, the starter is fine in the fridge, so don't rush things! You're patience will be rewarded! Enjoy.
52 comments:
The "onimous sounding intro" is making more sense now. I forgot to feed my starter yesterday. Am I sunk or is there still hope for me?
April (the gal who will likely be baking at 3 a.m.)
- March 10, 2008 at 6:37 PM
- Chef John said...
No problem, it should be fine. Is there something happening yet?
- March 10, 2008 at 6:42 PM
Yes, I had little bubbles forming after only one day, it was pretty exciting. I did feed it earlier today, and I just stirred it and little bubbles are breaking the surface right away so I think I'll be okay!
Thanks, April
- March 10, 2008 at 8:36 PM
- hkfreak said...
"You're patience will be rewarded!"
Mr. Patience Will, you have been awarded $500 and a loaf of wild yeast in the air.
- March 10, 2008 at 10:47 PM
- hkfreak said...
And I don't go to self-investing seminars or whatever, so you will have to explain the intro.
- March 10, 2008 at 10:50 PM
- Chef John said...
ah, the good old cryptic hkfreak comment(s). What are you needing explained about the intro?
- March 10, 2008 at 10:57 PM
- hkfreak said...
I know there's some event (seminar) that happened. The intro sounds familiar, but who did it and the other question is: Are you doing it just for the similarities in title?
- March 11, 2008 at 3:44 PM
- Chef John said...
No idea about a seminar, its a free sound clip from iMovie
- March 11, 2008 at 4:11 PM
- Rooney said...
Playing catchup as I just found this wonderful site...
What is the difference between the starter and the sponge if they both only contain flour, water, and time?
- April 24, 2008 at 1:28 PM
- Chef John said...
sponge is the finished starter with another cup of flour and water, which is then used to make the dough after a day. The terms are often used interchangably.
- April 24, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Hi, great site.
My starter was doing great (and much like your video/pics) until the "sponge" step. After 10 hours of fermenting, instead of becoming pancake-bubbley and spongey, it just looked like my watery/frothy starter. Either way, I proceeded and the dough never rose. Out of curiosity, I baked it anyway. The flavor was spectacular, but without rising at all, how much can you enjoy a tasty rock? What do you think went wrong?
- May 25, 2008 at 1:16 PM
- Chef John said...
next time add a little more flour to the sponge and leave it overnight. If it doesn't seem to be working add a tsp of yeast. You'll still have the flavor developed. Also remember the dough can take a long time to rise, especially if it's not in a warm spot.
- May 25, 2008 at 2:42 PM
If I already have a starter, how much should i put in to create the sponge?
- August 13, 2008 at 4:50 PM
- Chef John said...
I usually use one cup starter, one cup flour, one cup water. But, if left out the starter will grow, so if you don't have a cup just add more flour and water.
- August 13, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Thank you very much for your sourdough starter vidoe clips. It is really helping me. I just have one more question though.
After you make the sponge + 4-10hours fermentaion, how do you make dough from it? Could you tell me the dough recipe as well?
Thank you again!
- February 10, 2009 at 6:21 AM
- Chef John said...
check this video I did for About. has the whole process http://video.about.com/breadbaking/Sourdough-Bread.htm
- February 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM
- MiaRae said...
I made ALOT more starter then called for so... how much of it do i use for my starter?
- July 14, 2009 at 4:05 PM
- Chef John said...
try 1 1/2 cups
- July 14, 2009 at 6:52 PM
Hello chef,
I attempted this recipe to a T and at the time of making the sponge i noticed it wasnt as frothy as yours was in the video. I live in hawaii and assume it is warmer so my process might've quickened. I let the sponge sit for a while (even longer than you said) and I believe it never got bubbly. Did i miss my window of opportunity? I think i did because on the fourth day it looked like yours did on your 5th day. Any suggestions, i think i am going to toss it... Thanks for the great site, been reading it for years.
- July 16, 2009 at 11:52 PM
- Chef John said...
location is the biggest factor, you're wild yeast may not have what it takes! so hard to say though
- July 17, 2009 at 12:09 AM
- Jason said...
What do you do if the starter becomes runny like pancake batter, as if there was no gluten formation?
- August 5, 2009 at 5:53 PM
- Chef John said...
starter isnt think, the sponge is. if the sponge is watery, somethings wrong. try again, or your area doesnt have enough yeast
- August 5, 2009 at 7:36 PM
can you leave your sponge out to ferment for longer than 10 hours? i'm just wondering how much sleep i'm gonna get tonight...
- December 4, 2009 at 12:09 AM
- Chef John said...
yes! leave it out
- December 4, 2009 at 12:25 AM
- Juan Blanco said...
How long is too long for leaving out the sponge?
I've been following your recipe and, for the most part, have made some excellent bread. I haven't been doing this long enough to get a handle on the time required. Sometimes I end up baking at mid-day, some times as late as 10 pm!!!
- October 11, 2010 at 11:14 PM
- Chef John said...
it's not an exact science! You can leave the sponge til the next without a problem I think.
- October 11, 2010 at 11:47 PM
HI John,
great video series. The leftover sponge.
How long can i store the sponge in the fridge?
Do i need to keep it in an air tight container?
- February 25, 2011 at 11:44 AM
- Chef John said...
Should last forever if you continue to use and refeed
- February 25, 2011 at 11:16 PM
there are days missing; 3 & 6?
- July 3, 2011 at 3:37 PM
- Mike said...
If as you say, use all of the starter to make the sponge there isn't any starter left for the next batch.
How do I make the next loaf without starter?
- January 9, 2012 at 10:17 AM
- Mike said...
If as you say, use all the starter to make the sponge there is no starter remaining to make the next loaf.
How do I retain the original starter yeast/bacillus to make more bread?
- January 9, 2012 at 10:19 AM
- Mike said...
I have some Lactobacillus Sanfranciscensis starter that I want to maintain.
If, as you say, 'use all of the starter to make the sponge' then how can I retain the original yeast/starter to make the next loaf?
- January 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM
- Chef John said...
The final bread recipe only uses a few cups of sponge, so the letdover becomes the starter for the next time.
- January 9, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Hi chef John..if I want to make extra loaves do I simply double the recipe quantities?
- April 11, 2012 at 2:04 AM
Hi John, I will have to put my starter in the fridge before I make my sponge because of timing, do I let it come bake at room temp before I make the sponge? Also I want to make two loaves, so after the sponge is ready do I use 4 cups of it and double the rest of the ingredients to make the bread dough.
- April 13, 2012 at 6:19 PM
- Chef John said...
no you can use it cold. yes, just double. enjoy!
- April 13, 2012 at 6:26 PM
Hi John,
Finally I have shaped my bread into a loaf and put it onto a baking tin, waiting for it to double in size, but after 4 hours instead of it looking like a loaf it is looking more like a Ciabatta bread shape, can you think of what I did wronge so that next time I will get a better result.
- April 16, 2012 at 12:21 AM
- Chef John said...
sorry, but no way I can tell you that from here, without seeing and feeling what you did. Don't worry what it looks like, see what it tastes like.
- April 16, 2012 at 11:47 AM
Hi Hohn...thankyou for your quick replay, even though the bread did look like a ciabatta, it did taste great and the family loved it.I will be doing it again today, so I will keep you posted. One question though...when the loaf is shaped and resting, in one clip you grease glad wrap and put it on the top and in another clip you don't, which is the better way?
Bye for now.
- April 16, 2012 at 5:22 PM
- Chef John said...
both! prob better cover lightly. There is no rhyme or reason for some things i do.
- April 16, 2012 at 7:56 PM
Hi John..I made two loaves, one was put into the cold oven and the other had to go into a hot oven because I could not fir them both in at the same time. the one that went in the hot oven had a better crust on the bottom....but either way I was very happy with them.
Thank you so much. Do you have instruction on how to make pizza using some of the starter???
- April 23, 2012 at 10:19 PM
- Jenn said...
Hi Chef John! So i'm a little confused, the "sponge" is just another feeding without throwing away half the starter right?
And like a feeding you wait 8-12 hours until you use it, or do you need to put it in the fridge before you use it?
- April 25, 2012 at 10:32 PM
- Chef John said...
Yes, the sponge is the beginning of the dough. You leave it out and then finish the last step.
- April 25, 2012 at 11:10 PM
- Shandley said...
Hi Chef John!
How much (approximately) of the starter is put into the bowl (you say "all of it").
I have a whole bunch of starter so to make the sponge, it would be good to know.
Thanks! Great videos!
- November 14, 2012 at 7:10 PM
- Chef John said...
Sorry, didn't measure, but looks like about 1 1/2 cups?
- November 14, 2012 at 7:41 PM
- Unknown said...
Hi John, Love this series and I'm starting my starter today. I have watched all the videos and I'm a little confused about how to continue with the starter after I have removed what I need for my loaf. Do I leave it out and continue to add 1/2 cup flour and 1/2 cup water while removing half imperpetuity?
- December 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM
- Chef John said...
They say you keep extra starter in fridge and just feed once in a while, but mine died, so you better check with a real baker. ;)
- December 13, 2013 at 7:15 PM
- matpic said...
I live near San Antonio Texas. I have been trying to make starter since Saturday. I've been feeding the starter and throwing half out every day. So far, every day it's been thick like the sponge, no watery froth at all. It does however have lots of large and tiny bubbles forming and it almost doubles in size every night and have to knock it down before I throw away half. Am I doing something wrong? or is there a reason I'm not getting the watery froth.
- October 22, 2014 at 6:04 PM
- Chef John said...
If its bubbling, you're done! That's a live starter. Make some bread! :)
- October 22, 2014 at 6:10 PM
- Linda said...
this is my first ever Making a starter, and tomorrow is day 5 for me. I can hardly wait to make bread !! thank you for All you do for us. Linda Malnati.
- February 25, 2015 at 4:59 AM
- The choirmaster said...
Hi Chef John,
After days of throwing out and feeding, and my starter is now ready to be used to make the sponge.
After I have discarded half of the starter, the remainder (half) is left in the bowl for me to make the sponge.
Can you please tell me how many cups of starter is left to make the sponge?
Just wanted to make sure that I have the correct amount of starter to make the sponge.
If there is too much starter, it might spoil the consistency of the sponge?
- November 24, 2015 at 11:49 AM
- Sally said...
Chef, I just wanted to thank you for the link to your About.com video. It really does make this process more understandable and less confusing. Plus, it's really nice to see your smiling face at the start of the video. I've tried starting sourdough several years ago and found I didn't have the patience to mess with it. Also, I think it really does make a difference where you live as to what type of yeast you'll "capture". It does seem as though San Francisco really is unique as far as the taste of your yeast goes.
(Jesus, Sally...can you get any more "really"s in a paragraph!)
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Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest or throat; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue; unusual hoarseness); bloody or watery stools; bone pain; chest pain; confusion; dark urine; dizziness; fast, slow, or irregular heartbeat; fever, chills, or sore throat; hand tremors; muscle twitching; numbness or tingling in the face, arms, or legs; red, swollen, blistered, or peeling skin; seizures; severe or persistent diarrhea or stomach pain; severe or persistent nausea or vomiting; stomach cramps; swelling of the hands, ankles, or feet; symptoms of kidney problems (eg, not able to pass urine, change in the amount of urine produced, blood in the urine, a big weight gain); unexplained weight loss; unusual bruising or bleeding; unusual or sudden weight increase; unusual tiredness; vision changes; yellowing of the eyes or skin.
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- Zegerid powder packets are to be used only by the patient for whom it is prescribed. Do not share it with other people.
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A TAXI driver was robbed by knifemen after being lured into an apparent ambush.
The driver, a 58-year-old man, had gone to pick up a fare in Scarborough when two men in balaclavas got into his blue Citroen Berlingo and threatened him with a knife.
They stole his takings then fled, leaving the driver unhurt but shaken.
North Yorkshire Police said the robbery happened at 7.20pm on Tuesday on Gildercliffe.
The robbers were both white and in their 20s, police said. One was around 5ft 7in tall with a medium build. The other was around 5ft 11in tall with a slim build.
Detective Sergeant Ken Proctor, of Scarborough CID, said: "I am appealing to anyone who was in the Gildercliffe area of Scarborough at around 7.20pm on Tuesday to get in touch.
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Two weeks of dramatic and edge of your seat cricket comes to an end tonight as the Caribbean T20 Final between T&T and Jamaica goes at 7pm Eastern Time.
The match will be shown live on Sportsnet ONE as Red Force (T&T) looks to become the first back to back winners of this event.
On Saturday, Jamaica sealed their place in the final of the Caribbean T20 with a comfortable win over Windward Islands at the Kensington Oval in Barbados. Windwards had won four games on the trot in the lead-up to the semis but lost their way with the bat in a crunch game. Opting to bat, they failed to capitalise and soon found themselves struggling at 36 for 4.
Trinidad and Tobago hammered Barbados at the Kensington Oval to book a final clash with Jamaica. On a day where a three-digit score wasn't reached, Barbados, after choosing to bat, were skittled out for 90. After a 17-run opening-wicket stand, their innings never really got going and persistent strikes kept them to a below-par score. Wicketkeeper Shane Dowrich top-scored with 21 but the T&T bowlers cut through the rest of the line-up. Dwayne Bravo led the way with three wickets, and was assisted by Kevon Cooper, Sunil Narine and Samuel Badree, each of whom picked up two wickets in miserly spells.


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Chaotic Egypt teeters on collapse, warns generalCairo
Published: January 30 2013 - 3:00AM
EGYPT'S Defence Minister, General Abdel Fattah al-Sissi, has warned that the state is at risk of collapse.
Failure to resolve the situation ''could lead to grave repercussions if the political forces do not act'' to tackle it, General Sissi said on his Facebook page.
''The continuing conflict between political forces and their differences concerning the management of the country could lead to a collapse of the state and threaten future generations,'' he said.
The comments posted on Tuesday were extracts from a speech he gave to students at a military academy.
He further warned the political, economical, social and security problems facing Egypt constituted ''a threat to the country's security and stability''.
Earlier, thousands of demonstrators flooded the streets of Egypt's three Suez Canal cities in defiance of a night-time curfew imposed by President Mohammed Mursi after dozens were killed in clashes with police.
Witnesses said protesters took to the streets of Port Said, Ismailiya and Suez City on Monday night as the 9pm curfew went into effect to stage ''breaking the curfew'' demonstrations.
The protesters chanted slogans against Islamist rule, ''Fall, Fall the rule of the guide [of the Muslim Brotherhood]'', referring to Dr Mursi who hails from the Brotherhood.
Mahmud Abu al-Majd, of Port Said, said: ''We are on the streets because no one can impose their will on us. We won't bow to the government.''
In Ismailiya, witnesses said the protesters decided to hold football matches on the streets as part of their protests.
Yet for all those who took to the streets on Monday, there were just as many who stayed home, thinking Dr Mursi has not had a chance to solve Egypt's intractable corruption and economic problems. They think that protesters should honour the June election results that elevated Dr Mursi to the presidency and speak at the ballot box in coming parliamentary and eventually presidential elections.
''Don't tell me people are going to the street because they have a hard life. They are taking revenge for the killings,'' said Mohammed Noor, 26, of Port Said. ''It is like waves of vengeance. It will continue until one side gets tired or this turns into a real revolution with real leaders.''
Dr Mursi on Sunday declared a month-long state of emergency in the provinces of Port Said, Suez and Ismailiya after riots that left about 50 dead and hundreds wounded.
In a television address he also slapped curfews on the provinces from 9pm to 6am.
The main opposition grouping, the National Salvation Front, which is fractured among many smaller parties, said on Monday that it would not hold national reconciliation talks with Dr Mursi, a position, some protesters said, that made the opposition seem as tone deaf as the President.
Protesters rejected a military takeover, noting that the generals had assumed power after Hosni Mubarak stepped down and had failed in 18 months of rule to bring about reform.
On Monday, the Islamist-dominated Senate ratified a law that would grant the armed forces powers of arrest.
In the US, the Obama administration condemned the unrest.
This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/world/chaotic-egypt-teeters-on-collapse-warns-general-20130129-2diqk.html


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The 39-year-old Bolton lad was a guest on tonight's edition of The One Show to talk about his presenting role in the second series of ITV programme Splash!
One Show host Alex Jones challenged Elvis fan Vernon to don a costome of The King - complete with a wig - and join 13 other Elvises for a live performance.
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Distance graduate overcomes obstacles to earn her master's degree
October 12th, 2011 | SMWC
After a day filled with paperwork, testing and tutoring special needs children, Kathryn Vickers Rea '10 goes home, sits down, and dives into her own studies, projects and paperwork. Working full-time, while pursuing her Master of Education degree at Saint Mary-of-the-Woods College is a challenge, but one she is well prepared to tackle. After all, as a graduate of SMWC's distance education program, Rea knows the quality of her education is worth the extra effort.
"The Woods has been a huge blessing to me," said Rea, who will complete her master's degree in February 2012. "You feel like you're a part of something bigger."
Rea always wanted to earn her four-year degree but, like many students who choose a distance education program, life had to come first. Her priorities had faces, like her husband, Charles, dealing with a back injury and a learning disability, and her three children, Lora, Jessica and Charlie, who needed her more than she needed a degree. Eventually, though, she knew she would accomplish her goals. She just had to be patient.
"I always had the potential, I just had a life happen before it was my turn to shine," she said. With her children all grown up, she decided to pursue her associate degree from Ivy Tech Community College. Once she finished, Rea could barely contain her excitement. Even though those first few years were a struggle, she could almost feel her bachelor's degree resting in her hand. "We are poor people," she acknowledged. "It was a big step for me." When she was accepted to a large state university, her enthusiasm was palpable. She was going to have a bachelor's degree sooner, rather than later.
Then that excitement dissipated. She watched, aghast, as her GPA began to plummet. Straining and sweating at this new university, she felt all her hard work at her Ivy Tech days was just swept under the rug. "I never saw a teacher," she said, shivering at the memory. "I was isolated, working completely on my own." Rea knew that this impersonal style of distance education was not where she could flourish. She needed a flexible distance program with a network of support.
She knew about The Woods, but thinking the price tag would be too high to even consider, she cast the College's flyers aside. Now, hopeful, but cautious, she went to the SMWC website and discovered what she had been missing. "It just clicked," she said, elated. "Everything fell into place."
As the first person in her family to go to college, Rea had their unwavering support, but she was still nervous. She didn't have a mother who could show her the ins and outs of college life or an older brother who could help explain algebra. At The Woods, though, she found a family of faculty, staff and students ready to help her tackle the challenges and celebrate the successes of her education.
"Kathy was always willing to see the best in people, and to make the absolute best out of any situation," said Glenna Simons, chair of the Department of Social and Behavioral Sciences. Rea's positive attitude shown through both personally and professionally, Simons added. To Rea, Simons was that person standing at the finish line, clapping, cheering and believing she could do it.
This is exactly what has led Rea back.
Less than a year after earning her bachelor's in psychology, Rea found herself ready to take another big step and knew just the place to do it– The Woods. During her undergraduate internship, she developed a passion for working with children with special needs. As the special needs job coach at Whitewater Technical Career Center, Rea discovered that her place is in a classroom, building these special children's abilities and confidence, just as SMWC did for her. In just a little more than two years total, Rea, who spent decades dreaming of a four-year degree, will have exceeded all of her expectations by earning her master's.
"The Woods gave me a stronger voice," she began. "The key is to never give up on yourself. There are those out there who think it just can't be done, but at SMWC, it can."
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I've been researching connecting a facebook site with a website.
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There hasn't been any clear documentation on how to do this. It seems like I will need to use the Graph API.
http://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/api/. First of all can I just confirm that that is correct?
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A businessman from East Lancashire has died in California at the age of 84.
Frederick Robert Blakey – known to family and friends as Bob – was best known for his involvement in the family firm L Blakey (Finance), which ran until 1998.
Mr Blakey had moved out to Pacific Palisades recently to be closer to his daughter Gillian and her family, as his health declined.
With his wife of 55 years, Janet, he had been a visitor to the West Coast of the United States for more than 20 years.
He also leaves two sons, Steven and Nicholas, and nine grandchildren.
His funeral is being held in Los Angeles and his ashes will be scattered on Pendle Hill.
Steven said: "My dad was born in Burnley and, throughout his working life, had been a successful and prominent businessman in the North West of England.
"Throughout his life, he had a passion for sport and education. All three of his children went to QEGS and still have strong ties with the school, providing the Blakey scholarship for a series of successful sixth formers which has run for a number of years."
Bob turned out at centre-half for Burnley Colts, and represented Dorset, where he was stationed with the Pay Corps while undertaking his National Service.
He qualified as a chartered accountant in 1956 and made his home in the Whalley area, where he lived until relocating to the US in 2012.
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de Zoltan Vancso
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A 6x9 (15x23 cm) black and white notebook with photographs by Zoltan Vancso, designed to fit in a purse, briefcase, or messenger bag. Lined pages for jotting down notes, to dos, names, numbers, or inspiration. (80 pages)
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15×23 cm
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- Fecha de publicación ago. 25, 2011
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Indeed, this goes the other way always blow up empty flashes especially if you can see the radar-addon (small grey/black) disk behind the seat.
Ever since I got the 50m radar certed for my Flash, I've made a point of blowing the things up every time.
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I'm with Laldy, never leave an apparently abandoned non-VS Flash intact if you can spare the time.
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Lessons learned from being a member of one the more infamous large outfits for quite a while
(aka a crash course on how to win, at the expense of your soul)
(Note also this is focused around infantry playstyles. Our outfit has learned that, in the game's current state, bringing excessive armor into the fray actually slows us down, and adds too much complication. We follow a strict K.I.S.S. doctrine. However, I have zero Vanu experience, and I know the Magrider is a game-changer in how a group operates.)
First and foremost, I haven't played in a few weeks, and things are constantly changed by the devs, so I apologize if something in here is no longer viable. This is also really just me throwing a bunch of random stuff out in layman's terms out there as it occurs to me. It'll be missing a LOT and will jump around. I just hope to bestow hopefully one or two good chunks of learning to a player that is inexperienced to the game. My personal experiences are not that of legendary skill, so I would always recommend you scour the PS2 forums for a plethora of in-depth information by super knowledgeable players.
Disclaimer: The mega-large outfit I'm in, if you know which I'm talking about, is widely hated, and sometimes hated/respected. I'm definitely not here to bring attention to them, nor start a flame war. The PS2 community is known for its drama and inter-player spats. I do not participate in this whatsoever, I merely enjoy the game. As much as I stay away from those shenanigans, I have noticed that this outfit wins a lot, though obviously not always. But again, I'm just attempting to relay what I've learned in my time since beta with them, and not any opinions on them. I give a STRONG allegiance to neutrality. Also, these tactics obviously refer to a group that's somewhat large, usually at least 1 full platoon ideally.
Basic group tactics
*Leadership leadership leadership, communication communication communication!!!
*I've noticed a strong player making sound decisions for the flow of the group makes or breaks taking a region. Especially important is someone who fully understands the capture mechanics of the game, and can allocate resources accordingly. By default, each squad is responsible for a point. If a squad is overrun, they can relay to command and have additional manpower sent. The meta-game relies much less on individual player skill, and a whole lot on group tactics. Also noteworthy is this is not a war simulation, so tactics should adapt to the game, and not to replicate realism
*Our basic squad consists solely of heavy infantry, with a few support medics and engineers to provide healing and ammunition. When armor is encountered, having a full squad of rocket launchers does absolute wonders. Light assault and infil are unused, except for an infil caveat which I'll cover.
*AA MAX's and AI MAX's are usually pulled as needed, at the squad-leader's discretion.
*Squad integrity is wildly important, and the group wins over the individual. If you're trying to take a point, having one guy run off to score that kill for a few exp could ruin the entire situation.
*ZERGING: Call it what you want, and my outfit will deny this word describes what they do, but zerging works. Having a crapload of one particular type of weapon/vehicle that's appropriate to the situation WORKS. Some examples:
Sundy hunting; Have everyone pull Mosquitos/rockets and converge en masse to the location. You'll kill it.
Inf farming: Have people pull tanks/HE and annihilate every little guy that mindlessly runs towards you.
AA: You've probably seen an AA MAX zerg plenty of times by now. It works. The best way to stay in the battle and still run area-denial for aircraft is by assigning a single squad to all AA, and having them cover the rest. The MAX has been the most efficient AA device, though anti-air rockets en masse can be effective. The Lightning AA gun is never used by us.
Group communication
*Communication is setup in our outfit to handle extremely large (min 3+ platoons) ops, while maintaining the simple factor.
Each squad has a channel. Each squad leader, platoon leader, and commander has a secondary 'command net' for outfit-wide comms, that is bound to a different button (hint: For multi-button mouse users such as myself, it's super easy to have one button for "squad" channel, and one for "command", as opposed to keyboard hotkeys).
*In large ops, though this should always just be a general rule for any VOIP whatsoever, PTT is golden. No one wants to hear your mouth-breather noises or rage screams.
*Communication is where everyone NEEDS to be on the same page in whatever procedures you lay out.
*Every person talking on command net should identify who they are (ie: Squad 1 Leader) and who they're contacting.
*Using plain-text is the easiest method of talking, and adding in fluff codewords or the enormously ridiculed "GLOBAL!!!!" do not add any functionality.
Individual tactics
*There are no real "bad" weapons in the game, for the most part. However, finding that perfect balance of base stats and attachments can make a wild difference in your k/d's. I haven't played in a few weeks, but MAKE SURE you stay aware of the nerfs/buffs as they occur by the devs. For instance, my go-to death machine was the Carv-S with foregrip and compensator. After being nerfed, I had to change weapons to continue being efficient.
MAKE SURE YOU RESEARCH ATTACHMENT STATISTICS. THIS IS VITAL. For instance (unless this has changed, which I doubt): An 8x scope is not a good idea for your LMG, as it actually ADDS ARTIFICIAL SPREAD. It is highly recommended you use the 2x red dot sight, as this adds zero artificial spread.
*COVER. This is not the original PS. There are less CQB fights, and less places to hide. Much of the map is open, ripe for snipers to sit around and pick you off. Finding and utilizing cover is ESSENTIAL if you want to survive.
*While each faction is supposed to be unique, they are not special snowflakes. Sorry. It's one of my biggest complaints of the game (especially the shared vehicles). That said, weapons for the most part do best with bursts of fire. Having an understanding of the spread mechanics makes for optimal point-target accuracy. Vanu, on the other hand, I'm sure have a different approach with the lack of recoil thing. Sorry I can't help on that. For the most part, I utilize full-auto in super-close, burst in mid-range, and semi in long range.
*To survive: teamplay. There is no individual. You may be able to get a decent life by staying LA and constantly move, or be a hated sniper, but you're missing out on the game. It revolves around teamwork. You can complain that this game supports no lone-wolf playstyle, but that's the point. You literally depend on the players around you to remain alive. Embrace this! It's fun once you get into it, especially if you find people you enjoy and work well with.
Basic game philosophies
*This game currently revolves around the AMS. You need to protect yours while destroying theirs. There is no aspect more important than this.
*As stated, this entire tidbit focuses on infantry-centric gameplay. Infantry, much like real-life, are the backbone of this game. You can literally NEVER pull an aircraft or a tank, and still capture an entire map. Sounds ridiculous, but it's done. Often. Everything else is just support for infantry.
*Moving infantry can be done many ways. The most efficient is via Galaxy, but Sundy trains are fun.
*As I've mentioned, and still cannot stress enough, pay attention to what the devs do, and learn the stats of weapons. You'll find that certain guns, and vehicle-mounted weapons are not as effective as they are cool. At first you'll think you spent your hard-earned certs on a kickass death dealer, but eventually you'll come to see it was a waste. A prime example is the AI "mortar" for the Sundy. It 'splodes big and looks cool, but it just doesn't work well enough, and there aren't enough situations where it's viable over something more general-purpose anyway. Remember that the "side-grade" religion followed by F2P has a tendency to create many weapons that are only decent in particular circumstances.
*The game places what I feel to be too much emphasis on farming. That said, make sure your the farmer and not the crops. There are many extremely difficult chokepoints (CROWWWWNNNNNNFIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!) that will basically equate you as someone else's cert points and not an opponent. Don't be afraid to pull out of these situations and probe for a different area to attack that you'll have more luck with. You'll get sick of the game quick if you pull the newbie mistake of just contributing to the meat-grinder and then wondering why you die so much.
*The numbers game: The basics of PS2 allow for superior numbers in a coordinated group to usually win. Like it or not, that's how it works. Gone are the days of a few people holding off a horde at a facility. The quicker you understand this, the better. Start doing everything on a grand scale. Want to roll some tanks? Have everyone roll tanks. Want to take out some enemy air? Throw 30 craft firing air-to-air missiles at them.
Random advanced tactics
*" Air Assault Beachhead": My outfit does do one thing awesomely: quick response ops. How do you take a hostile region quickly? Believe it or not, Galaxies are still a very effective tool when used correctly, even after the spawn change to Sundy (you did have every member of the group cert in AMS right?). Firstly, ensure each squad has an Infiltrator (here's that caveat). Pull a Gal per squad and airdrop on a location. Upon securing the area, have your Infil capture a vehicle terminal. Then, pull an AMS from there. The Infil will change back to his regular class. Deploy AMS. You just secured an area on the front, didn't have to risk driving an AMS there, and can now effectively capture the area.
*Sundy train: A convoy of Sunderers can move a large number of people very well, with some basic firepower. If the all the gunners in the group communicate and concentrate their fire, it can actually be decently lethal while on the move.
*AMS killing tactics: The ever-popular Mosquito/ground missile zerg is always effective. However, another useful idea for ground troops for a located Sundy is approaching and tossing AV mines under it. If all else fails, there's always drop-pods. They hurt.
*Instant Action: If instant action is never used by the individual and is saved for group command, it can be an effective quick-response tool, in many different situations. A great example is if you are attempting to take a facility, you're down to a single AMS and getting farmed, and have no way to get around to effectively fight. You can /suicide everyone and have them all IA in on the same point. You just bypassed the farm screen and now are all within the facility to fight. Also, dozens of drop-pods raining down looks fucking wicked. Remember also that drop-pods can be used as weapons..
*Gal drops in general: It's the staple past-time of Planetside, and usually the most remembered aspect. Gal drops are still effective, but like everything else now, they're effective when utilized in the correct situations. For the most part, try to make sure everyone's on the same page so they all land in a small area and aren't spread all over the place. Usually the pilot can bail as well, unless you REALLY need to get up and go somewhere else as soon as you cap.
*In-game voice: Beware. Most hardcore players have this turned off, so they don't hear the raging 12 year olds and scrubs. I have mine on, but I occasionally get sick of listening to everyone. Usually the mood of my day is set by the quality of music being played over local voice by someone in the warp-gate.
Okay, I'm getting sick of writing and don't have much free time. Hopefully you got *something* out of this. I'll add plenty more when I get back into playing and have some more time to spare. I know that most of this is not highly educated nor super technical, but it's all personal observations and opinions, and it definitely works for me. I've had a highly successful time thus far in the game, to the point where I've stopped playing now as I'm literally getting bored of steamrolling through maps with my outfit. I'll probably have much less burnout when they add to the meta-game, and I'm sure I'll be retained by PS2 for many years to come.
If you're new and looking to get into the game, I cannot stress enough the need to find a good group. I haven't played with any RPS guys, but I'm sure that this is a wonderful place to start, as there's so many friendly people here they'd be happy to teach you the ropes. Be aware that you ARE given the tools to play this game entirely for free. It won't be glamorous, and many outfits have things that you are required to cert in, but you can theoretically use the base weapons and vehicle setups throughout the game. The only thing I'd say that's absolutely vital to independent operation is a member of the group having an AMS.
PS2 has changed considerably from its predecessor, for better or worse. While many major functions have been redesigned or altered to appeal to a mass audience or allow for easier first-time play, there are still some parts that can be complicated to newcomers. Chief among these are simply finding the right place to fight, and the capture mechanics. Again, joining an experienced group will fix both of these.
The best advice I can give besides that is be patient, in both gameplay and learning curve. The game may have BF-esque class based combat, but don't rush into battle like in those types of shooters. Spend your infant days trying to figure out how to survive as long as possible. Keep things enjoyable by first worrying about the little stuff, like getting some small arms kills. As you get more experienced, start experimenting with doing some air-to-air dogfights or some of the other advanced stuff. If you just jump right into everything, you're going to die quick and get frustrated. If you ever need help or would like an actual organized response from me, feel free to PM! Enjoy.
I think I got a few RTRS sundies as well, and a Lightning. All with mines.
18-02-2013, 04:11 AM #171Hear from the spirit-world this mystery:
Creation is summed up, O man, in thee;
Angel and demon, man and beast art thou,
Yea, thou art all thou dost appear to be!
In case you missed it, here is Command Center Episode X:
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This thread on Reddit/r/Planetside made we smile:
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Did somebody just release that huge BRTD player post from moderation, or did we all just ignore it before?
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looks more like enclave than brtd, actually. some good points though.
Certainly a number of good points, yes. Was this a cross-post from some other place?
Definitely Enclave, and indeed, some very good points.
Enclave yeah, and Frosty is american according to his post in Introduce yourself. Was this a post just for us..? Thanks if so. Very thoughtful.
Feel like I already know that though, and I still have no intention of ever running ops/nights like The Enclave. 90% heavies and 10% medics and engineers? No thanks.. Not very fun. I much prefer a less effective but more diverse approach. I also don't think that tactic is as viable for us as we're rarely more then 40.
The things we really could stand to learn from is their quick response and to constantly employ the galdrop > hack > sundy approach (we do that quite frequently but sometimes forget to bring infs).
Good point about the Bulldog on the sunderer as well, been meaning to ditch it for just basilisks or something. They kill tanks fine. Bulldogs are fucking hard to hit with, furys seem better for that purpose. Maybe one fury one basilisk? AI/AV.Find me on the Steams


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STEVE de Ridder hopes an influx of fresh faces in the Wanderers dressing room will help finally rid the club of their relegation hangover.
The Belgian winger, on loan from Southampton, made his full debut in the weekend's 2-1 victory over Burnley alongside fellow new boy Craig Dawson.
That result – the first league win of 2013 – proved a massive shot in the arm for Dougie Freedman's side, who had been a bit too close for comfort to the bottom three in recent weeks.
Indeed, some Whites fans are now looking up the league table, and potentially reeling in a 10-point gap to Middlesbrough in the final play-off position.
For that to happen, Wanderers will need to start stringing results together. They currently boast the division's worst away record ahead of their trip to Nottingham Forest this weekend, and have not put together back-to-back victories since last March.
But De Ridder believes his own fresh perspective, along with that of January signings Dawson, Medo and Craig Davies, could shake the squad into gaining some consistency.
"I'm not going to cure it, but I hope I'll be a part of it," he said.
"We need everyone now getting confident for the next game.
"You never know, if you get a few wins the table quickly looks very different.
"It is all about confidence because we have got a very good squad with some unbelievable individual skills – it's just a case of putting that all together now. I hope we can do that in the next few games.
"I think it has already showed. Craig put in a great performance (against Burnley) and there is more to come from Medo as well – he's an international player and what I have seen from him, he's a good player.
"Obviously, we need everyone in the squad to help us if we're going to win a few games.
"Once you get into a flow, you never know where you could end up."
De Ridder is pleased to see Wanderers get a new goal threat in Craig Davies, who chalked up his first strike against Burnley since arriving from Barnsley last month.
"Craig is an unbelievable threat up front," he said. "He can hold the ball up and you can play off him because he's a strong lad. It was good to see David Ngog get a goal as well.
"That will boost their confidence as well and that's what we need. Everyone needs to be confident."
De Ridder's start against Burnley was his first in the league since last March, when he turned out for Southampton in a 2-0 win over Doncaster Rovers.
His substitution at the weekend prompted a negative response from some supporters – but the winger admits he would have struggled to last the 90 minutes.
"I think I did okay but my match fitness needs to grow," he said. "I do understand why I got subbed because obviously it was my first league game and I need to build it up.
"It was tactical and I think the gaffer wants to bring me on slowly. It has been a year since I started my last league game, so injury-wise, we are just being careful."


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Intel Core 2 Q6600 G0 Stepping: Cheap Quad Core Just Got Betterby Anand Lal Shimpi on 8/16/2007 11:53 AM EST
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comc100 - Monday, December 31, 2007 - linkhi i have q6600 g0 and geforce 6600 gt. do i have to upgrade my psu because mine is 305 watts Reply
Drew Martell - Tuesday, January 19, 2010 - linkI have a Q6600 and a 300 watt PSU. I overclocked to 3GHz and still running fine with stock cooling and the 300 watts :D Reply
k8fox - Friday, August 06, 2010 - linkAre you still using your Q6600? I would like to overclock mine but have no idea where to start as I have never done this. Suggestions? Reply
sheeple - Monday, October 19, 2015 - linkThe Q6600 stands as Intel's greatest CPU EVER, due to it being FIRST, it's the Garagov of Cpu's! Reply
tjaisv - Thursday, August 23, 2007 - linkSo what are the temp differences? Thx Reply
lemonadesoda - Sunday, August 19, 2007 - linkThe system power draw is a very interesting statistic.
But for CPU power comparisons I suggest some other analysis. Since so much of the system power is drawn by all anciliary components, the % improvement calculations show overall system improvement BUT NOT the CPU improvement. The CPU improvement is really the more interesting figure.
Can you isolate the system power draw excl. the CPU? Perhaps the best way to do this would be to put a ULV low clock CPU into the socket and use that as the "base line" for the system draw. Alternatively, write a utility to put the CPU into "deep sleep HALT" and check the power in this condition. Use this as the baseline.
You will probably see the baseline around 100W, so the difference betweem say 150W and 160W would be calculated as (160-100)/(150-100)-100%=20% and not the very small figures as article currently shows. Reply
iamezza - Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - linkI agree.
Considering this article was all about a core stepping the claimed better power consumption, I think they totally underplayed the power improvements. A reduction in total system power of 5-7% soley from a CPU stepping is very impressive. This works out to around 20% for the CPU alone. And it only gets better when it's overclocked.
Also its wrong to write off an entire stepping for overclocking potential when you have only tested 1 CPU and only used stock cooling at that. Reply
cdrsft - Sunday, August 19, 2007 - linkIn the article, the author asks,
For $266 you now have a tough decision to make: do you buy two 3.0GHz cores or four 2.40GHz cores? In our last review we found that if you're doing any amount of 3D rendering or media encoding, the Core 2 Quad Q6600 at $266 ends up being the better value. Of course, if you want the best of both worlds you could always overclock the 2.40GHz Q6600, giving you four, much faster cores.
I'm not sure I fully understand the answer. IF you are doing some media encoding, the Q6600 is a better value. What about regular desktop usage? For the average person, which of these is the better value? Reply
VapoChill - Saturday, August 18, 2007 - linkWhy you not use the lastest Intel driver ?
* Product: Intel(R) Chipset Device Software
* Release: Production Version
* Version: 22.214.171.1243
* Target Chipset#: Q33/G33/G31/P35
* Date: March 05 2007
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Blacklash - Friday, August 17, 2007 - linkgo back and try working from an 8x multi. A lot of overclockers seem to be doing well with that approach. Reply
strikeback03 - Friday, August 17, 2007 - link...that Newegg shipped me a pair of the B3 stepping ones in the box I opened this morning.
Does anyone actually sell these for $266? Cheapest I found seemed to be around $285. Reply
Roy2001 - Friday, August 17, 2007 - link$266 is price for 1000 units. Since demand is high and there is no competition, retailers would price it higher. Remember how much egg wanted when they restock it? From $299 to $379. Reply
ruusnak - Friday, August 17, 2007 - linkDid you measure temperature differences under load? Even when the new stepping draws more power, the Intel spec sheet's temp curves are quite different... does G0 run hotter or cooler in practice? Reply
ruusnak - Friday, August 17, 2007 - linkI meant "even if the new stepping draws less power" of course... Reply
jay401 - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkWhat's this Intel Resource Center that's now a link at the bottom of the conclusion page next to "Home"? I don't see an AMD Resource Center at the bottom of the concluding page of AMD articles. Reply
vijay333 - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkIntel ponied up the cash : "This site is presented by Intel" (right on top), while AMD chose not to for some reason... Reply
mostlyprudent - Friday, August 17, 2007 - linkOr, it could have something to do with the fact that it's an article about a new stepping of an INTEL chip. This site is so pro Intel that they spent a year or more recommending Athlon X2s as the chips to buy. Must have been a conspiracy so that when the Core 2 was released they could show their true colors. Reply
vijay333 - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkprobably deprecated due to lack of activity... Reply
jto168 - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkAnand,
Is it possible for you to state which Batch # the B3 stepping came from?
I have found that many users with earlier Batches of B3 have found it difficult to overclock it successfully as the thermal throttling usually backs the multiplier down. Reply
brentpresley - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkFor the record - C2D never shipped on the B1 stepping (it was only available in ES chips). The first OEM and Retail silicon was the B2 stepping. Reply
gigahertz20 - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkAnand,
Your overclocking results mean nothing if you don't list what type of cooling you used? Stock Intel cooler? Tuniq Tower 120? Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme? Typhoon VX? Zalamn? Scythe? Noctua? The only thing you said was "our max was 3.51GHz (390 x 9.0) without resorting to improved cooling" so by that statement I'm assuming you must have been using air but which HSF?
How can you miss this? Indians aren't supposed to make mistakes, just kidding :) We're all human.....at least I think :)
Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkSorry, I thought I mentioned that I was using the stock Intel HSF. :)
Take care,
Anand Reply
Roy2001 - Friday, August 17, 2007 - linkCould you try a better HSF? ATers whwant to OC this beast would avoid stock HSF I believe. Reply
Omega215D - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkHe was just being a SLACR...
:ducks: Reply
vijay333 - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkCould you also comment on whether there were any noticeable differences between the CPUs with regards to temps? Kinda related to the wattage of course, but actual idle/load temperature values would help too. Thanks. Reply
aka1nas - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkI didn't see listed which board was used to test overclockability of the two chips. Lots of boards still have issues with clocking G0s to high FSB speeds, especially at a 9x multi as the previous poster mentioned. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkSorry, I updated the article with the test table. I used the Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R.
Take care,
Anand Reply
ChronoReverse - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkI have two G0's and it seems there's a great deal of variation even for two CPUs in the same batch.
You should check the VID (using Core Temp) of the CPU. A lower VID means Intel rated the CPU to run at stock with a lower voltage, generally meaning more overclocking headroom. Of my two G0 Q6600's, one was 1.3125V while the other was 1.2750V.
Also, the 9X multiplier is harder to overclock on than lower multipliers (for reasons unknown to me but I've encountered it myself as well as read other people commenting thus). My 1.3125V Q6600 can boot and run at 3.6GHz (450x8) almost stably (it can Prime95 all four cores for at least 20 minutes) but trying to do the same at 400x9 will always fail. I know that 400MHz FSB works since I can boot at 400x8, so I'm assuming the other factor would be the multiplier. Reply
Dainas - Saturday, August 18, 2007 - linkWould it be possible to get a VID of 0.8250v? As that it what Core Temp reads for my G0 Q6600, but I have doubts as the the accuracy as I'm x64 Vista and Core temp cannot find the temps (the rest of the read stats check out though).
Also CPU-z reads its default Voltage as being around 1.18v. Reply
Darkmatterx76 - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkSince OC potential varies so much with these CPU's are there any companies that test the CPU's they buy from Intel/AMD and sort them based on the OC potential they have? Memory companies often test and sort their memory and package them according to their quality. It would be nice to get a CPU that's been tested for better then average OC potential without having to pay $1000 for an Extreme brand CPU. I wouldn't mind paying a little bit more for a Q6600 that I knew had some good OC room. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkBoth chips used the same VID surprisingly enough, that's part of what made this test so easy. I have seen differing results at 8x vs. 9x multipliers, but it didn't seem to make a huge difference when I tried it with these chips. I'll keep playing around with them though.
Take care,
Anand Reply
Kougar - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkHi Anand!
Could you please mention what the VID was, if it was identical between chips then it sounds like it was over 1.3v?
You probably had already seen http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid...">http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid... but I thought it was interesting that some of the VIDs are so low. My own sample is also 1.200v and seems to OC well enough, a partially corrupted OS notwithstanding anyway.
My Pentium M barely operates stable at 2.13GHz using 1.18v and it's obviously single core, so it just sounds odd that a 2.4Ghz Quadcore could have an even lower VID than 1.18v even with the 90nm -> 65nm difference. Maybe that is just me though! Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkIt was 1.20V on both chips I believe.
Take care,
Anand Reply
Grit - Thursday, August 16, 2007 - linkWoot! Reply


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A man due to face trial by jury accused of being involved in the drugs trade has changed his plea to admit what he had done.
Jack Isaacs had pleaded not guilty to a charge of possessing heroin with intent to supply when he appeared at Swindon Crown Court last summer.
The case was listed for a trial last week but a few days before it was due to take place he told his lawyers he wanted to change his pleas.
And the 29-year-old, of The Manor, Frome Road, Trowbridge, pleaded guilty to the charge.
His partner Zoe Bell, 24, of the same address, admitted the charge when she appeared before the court in August.
They admitted having the class A drug with intent to supply on Wednesday September 26, 2012.
Judge Douglas Field released the pair on bail so the probation service can compile pre-sentence reports and adjourned the case to Thursday, March 27.