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Sidebar: I have a lot of family in New York and I've been mugged twice (and my cousin four times, since he actually lives there... and is an idiot). It sucks, it is terrifying, and it is really annoying (protip: If you are at all going near a shady area and you can't avoid it, remove the credit cards and driver's license and the like from your wallet, shove them in your shoes, and just leave 40 or 60 bucks in the wallet. That way you aren't really out much and you can focus on calling the cops BEFORE calling your credit card company to cancel said cards. By keeping a decent amount of cash in the wallet and just giving the guy a wallet you won't look like you are "holding out", and most criminals will probably realize that they have a profit and should run, rather than try to get you to give them your cards). But the thing is, each time the mugger never actually pulled a gun. The first time the guy had a knife, and the second guy just acted very menacingly. Why? Because the gun raises the sentence and using the gun raises it even further.
Similar principle here. With the knowledge that the victim might fight back, the criminals looking for a victim are discouraged. The criminals who are trying to slip in and out won't even dare to risk a robbery while people are inside. That just leaves the people who were prepared to use deadly force to begin with, and it is THOSE people who I would like to have an option against.
Now, obviously this isn't perfect. Idiots don't think things through, and I think we can all agree that a lot of criminals are idiots. And yes, some criminals might decide to "up their game". But many others will decide "Not worth it, wait until we KNOW nobody is there". It is just a matter of ratios.Steam: Gundato
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For some reason the Dutch news is running this local story from an American county I'm sure 99,99% of Dutch have never even heard of, but in any case, from the description of the situation and Florida's infamous Stand Your Ground law it doesn't at all surprise me that something like this happened.
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the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free". ~ Luke 4:18
1) You can pick a fight and, if you are losing, you can end it with lethal force without fear of imprisonment.
2) #1 does not apply if youre Black.
It applied in Roderick Scott's trial. Same situation but the shooter was black. He was found not guilty.
The differences, listed:
- Christopher Cervini was actually engaging in criminal behavior
- Christopher Cervini was not alone in his criminal endeavors
- Christopher Cervini's accomplices had police records for burglary and robbery
- Roderick Scott clearly identified himself and that he was armed
- Christopher Cervini was drunk and on amphetimenes at that time
- Christopher Cervini attacked Roderick Scott with witnesses present
- Roderick Scott was immediately arrested and indicted
- Roderick Scott testified in his own defense with only a court-appointed lawyer
Try harder, kiddo.
Cervini deserved to die for rummaging for chump change and cigarettes? It wasn't even the shooter's property. His cousin's petty theft criminal record, of which Scott knew nothing, made it okay to shoot?
IIRC Cervini didn't even manage to hit Scott. He most likely tried to stall him as his cousing was running away. His cousin's testimony was different from the initial statements and contradictory to Scott's girlfriend's anyway.
Back to Zimmerman, the defense articulated the following:
1) Trayvon was the one who initiated the fight.
2) As proof they stated Trayvon's corpse had no wounds other than the bullet wound while showing pictures of a wounded/bloody Zimmerman.
3) They claimed the recorded yells for help was in fact from Zimmerman during this beat down, and for good measure he had friends who testified that it was in fact his voice.
4) Because Zimmerman's head hit concrete he felt stunned and feared for his life.
5) Zimmerman's only hope to stop being attacked was to use his gun.
5) Gun forensics show that Trayvon was in fact on top of him when the gun was fired.
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None of which could have happened if a guy with a gun hadn't started following him late at night. Just because Trayvon swung first (if he even did, all we've got is Zimmerman's word) following someone at night with a gun is justifiable grounds for self defense. Let's be real here. Zimmerman created a circumstance that provoked a fight that gave him the right to kill someone. And if the law thinks that's OK then the law is an ass.
What's Walmart got to do with all this? Am I missing something? Did they sell the gun, or the bullets? Did Zimmerman work for them?
Half of your previous response was that Cervini & co. were criminals. I thought that was intended to somehow justify Scott's actions. Hopefully this petty theft held no significance in the verdict.
I think he just profiled him because he was the neighborhood watch and he profiled anyone that was acting strange.
[Zimmerman] got displaced by the vandalism in the neighborhood and wanting to catch these people so badly that he went above and beyond what he should have. It just went terribly wrong. I think he's guilty of not using good judgment. When he was in the car and called 911 he shouldn't have gotten out of that car.
I feel sorry for both of them. I think both of them were responsible for the situation they got themselves into. I think they each could have made the decision to walk away.
[when asked if she would be comfortable with GZ as neighborhood watch]
If he didn't go too far. He didn't stop at the limitations he should have stopped at. I would feel comfortable having George, but I think he's learned a good lesson. I think he didn't know when to stop.
Maybe she has a point. 18 months of hell and a life of constant paranoia are perhaps enough punishment and a good lesson. It's not like American prisons are known to reform people.
This whole situation is really frustrating to me. I wish I wasn't so frustrated by the black community for their logic in this tragedy/travesty. Read what I said, "I wish I wasn't frustrated." It is bringing out a lot of anger in me that I don't need to have; however, this "no justice for a black boy" thing has got to go; he was not a boy. If a black man defended himself from a white teen, and the black man was proven not guilty, then so be it. I think the jury did their job. I just wish the real racists, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, would go away.The media is to blame. Politics are to blame. Lastly, this "TM is a modern-day Emmett Till" is sickening.
The idea that it's ever OK to shoot someone seems rather alien to me, but then I live in a country where driving around with a firearm would be illegal in the first place. How do the "normal" self defence laws work in the US? Over here you're basically allowed to use as much force as is necessary to get out of a dangerous situation; if you end up killing someone who was breaking into your home or shoving you around without threatening your own life you'd most likely get convicted of manslaughter, which seems reasonable. This "stand your ground" law seems to remove any requirement to even try to resolve things without violence and if violence does occur it seems to make it better to kill someone to remove any chance they'd testify against you than to try to hurt them to scare them off, which seems nuts.
The Stand Your Ground law in Florida and some 20 other states essentially states that you need not flee, which means that you can use force the moment you feel threatened of harm, no matter the circumstances. Unless, of course, you're Black. The implications should be obvious: The instigator of the altercation no longer matters, which means that somebody can start a confrontation with full intent of ending it violently, as they have no requirement to attempt to end it non-violently. The law, assuming innocence in the absence of contravening evidence, also favors the gunman because the primary witness to the altercation is now dead and thus cannot give their side. This also undermines the ability to adequately gauge whether excessive force was used, as there is only one side of the story able to be given.
Burglary is bad. Stop that, burglars. =\
(While obvious, I feel this deserves occasional reiteration).The Secret of Gargoyle Manor, a browser point-and-click adventure about retrieving your lost hat whatever the cost, is something you could play!
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Just saw the "creepy ass cracka" bit on youtube, that part was hilarious. Hell, the entirety of the fat girl's testimony had me in splits.
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Legally the outcome, imo, was the correct one, and regardless of Stand Your Ground laws the outcome would have been the same. Although, I would hope that this will get people to look at making stand your ground requirements stricter.
Example: Let's say you are an idiot and are trapped in a dead-end alley by someone with a knife who is about to murder you. Now, there is a chance that if you charge them, knock them down, and keep running, you'll survive. Or you'll charge them, get a piece of steel in your heart, and die. Or you'll charge them, get seriously wounded, and manage to escape. But fortunately, you are also the kind of idiot who carries a concealed firearm on your person.
The theory behind the Stand your Ground laws is to protect you in a situation like that. From a purely "Use exactly as much force as you need to", that is a murky situation. Because maybe your life isn't in danger of being ended if you try to run past, but unlike the movies, you might never really recover from your wound. With a Stand your Ground law, you are allowed to say "There is a clear and definite probability of me dying, I am going to protect myself" rather than "Well, if I kill him I'll survive, but I'll probably get arrested and have to re-enact the plot of Con-Air, and I REALLY don't want to grow a mullet or spend even a single minute with Dave Chappelle"
Now, in practice, things get a bit murky, just like with any situation where self-defense is involved. But it is important to always keep in mind the concept of "spin":
A right-wing news source: This law is to protect women from being raped and children from being touched by people who aren't priests (because priests can do no wrong) and it is all about the criminals
A left-wing news source: This law is all about picking fights and murdering people
The coverage of the Zimmerman case: This law is all about murdering little black children
There are a lot of good things about this law and it DOES protect people. Hell, it might be one of the few laws in recent years that actually is designed to protect, rather than punish, people. But it is also dependent on the investigative ability of the police, so there are definite flaws with it, and people can find ways to abuse it.
Also, the "I should just kill him to avoid the courts" is sadly an issue even without Stand Your Ground. Hell, it is even an issue when you aren't at fault. My father was a truck driver for 30 something years and in one accident (the one that made him take up smoking again) a jackass wasn't paying attention and tried to "pass" under his trailer. Ended up getting crushed under the wheels, really horrific. My father was at no fault whatsoever (unlike some other accidents he was involved in...) and was really shaken up. But a few weeks later his boss took him aside and said something along the lines of "You did the right thing, you handled that perfectly, and we understand if you want to take a vacation to get away from driving for a bit. But keep in mind that you got lucky. Because even though anyone with half a brain would realize you weren't at fault, if that fucker had lived he could have tied us up in court cases for years in the hopes of a settlement. And if he had kids and a good lawyer, we would probably have ended up having to let you go for liability purposes"Steam: Gundato
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What you're allowed do is defend yourself in a non-lethal manner. If someone comes into my home with a knife and I beat him back out with a Hurl, as long as I don't kill him, I'm fine. If I beat him to death on my kitchen floor, I'd be put away. If that incident happened here, or across the majority of Europe, Zimmerman would've been found guilty of manslaughter."Halo is designed to make the player think "I look like that, I am macho sitting in my undies with my xbox""
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Im sorry in your example there are other less lethal ways then to get past the guy with the knife. Also same with the case of Zimmerman in fact he shouldnt of even been in that situation since he should of let the police handle it.


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I was talking with a friend who does most of his coding in C today and he was mentioning callback functions and said how handy they were. Most definitions on the web seemed pretty vague and most of the code was C code involving pointers. I kinda understood it but was wondering if someone could provide a good example of a callback in PHP.
The xml_set_element_handler function, among others, uses callbacks.
Callbacks work like this:
// This function uses a callback function.
function doIt($callback)
$data = acquireData();
// This is a sample callback function for doIt().
function myCallback($data)
echo 'Data is: ', $data, "\
// Call doIt() and pass our sample callback function's name.
callbacks are indeed very handy in procedural programming, but in OOP every call is resolved via pointer and callbacks as such do not make much sense.
// procedural version
do_something_if_greater($a, $b, $compareFunc) {
if($compareFunc($a, $b) > 0) ...
// oo version
do_something_if_greater($a, $b) {
if($a->compare($b) > 0) ...
Imho, in the OO version this would couple the compare function to $a..
Here is my version
if ($comparator->compare($a, $b) > 0) { }
Callbacks are much like Delegates, more than anything else, from an object oriented context. Do a search for the Delegate on Google if you want to learn more
A good example of callback is preg_replace_callback , atleast one i've used for complex regexes for text parsing more than once.
The PHP array_map() function is a good one...
$lower = array('marcus', 'lastcraft');
$capitalised = array_map('uc_first', $lower);
Basically you blast the whole array with a function in one go, avoiding looping through it. A much more declarative style.
You can write your own call back functions, as the function name is usually passed as a string...
function process_text($callback, $text) {
$replaced = array();
foreach (split($text) as $word) {
$replaced[] = $callback($word);
return implode(' ', $replaced);
The OO equvalent is either observer, listener or visitor. The listener...
class XmlListener {
function openTag($tag, $attributes) { ... }
function characterData($text) { ... }
function closeTag($tag) { ... }
class XmlParser {
function parse($xml, $listener) { ... }
As the parser reads the text, it sends the results as calls to the listener.
The Observer pattern has a single notify() method rather than a full interface. This is equivalent of the delegate in C# I believe (someone please correct me).
The Visitor pattern involves passing the caller itself in as the listener. Say we are using the parser from an RSS reader...
class RssReader {
function read($url) {
$parser = new XmlParser();
$parser->parse(file($url), $this);
function openTag(...) { ... }
function characterData(...) { ... }
function closeTag(...) { ... }
Here it's especially effective. All the RSS code is in one place, and you don't need any clumsy iterators to move over the data structure (here, text tokens). The Visitor/Listener is often a very nice replacement for the Iterator pattern. It means the mechanics of iteration can stay in the data structure being traversed.
Other languages have different tricks for this. Ruby/Smalltalk/Perl can pass an anonymous block of code (PHP lambda functions are rubbish by comparison). Java can pass an anonymous inner class to avoid polluting the namespace.
For functional languages, callbacks are the foundation. It's how you get the code to the data. You will see things like "list comprehensions" (basically generators and transformers) used in the same context. Python has some support for this, but I'm not a Python developer, so hopefully someone else will elaborate.
yours, Marcus
And, may I add, javascript excells in this. Since functions are variables, they can be passed around. Gives you plenty of ammunition to shoot yourself, or tools to write some encredibly beautiful code, depending on your skills.
Yeah, can do nice things with javascript. Even create anonymous objects, with methods
var a = [3, 4, 5];
run = function(a, o) { for(i in a) { o.visit(a[i]); } };
var o = { total: 0, visit: function(v) { this.total += v; } };
run(a, o);
Doesn't look like a Visitor to me. It may be a Builder, though.
Let me try a canonical form for the client code:
$rssreader = new RssReader;
$parser = new XmlParser($rssreader);
Now the parser is the Director and the RssReader the Builder. It's surprisingly similar to the example on page 97 of GoF, except that the RTFReader in that example is Director, not Builder.
Currying in php
function curry($func, $arity) {
return create_function('', "
\\$args = func_get_args();
if(count(\\$args) >= $arity)
return call_user_func_array('$func', \\$args);
\\$args = var_export(\\$args, 1);
return create_function('','
\\$a = func_get_args();
\\$z = ' . \\$args . ';
\\$a = array_merge(\\$z,\\$a);
return call_user_func_array(\\'$func\\', \\$a);
function sum($a, $b) {
return $a + $b;
$sum = curry('sum', 2);
$plus5 = $sum(5);
echo $plus5(10); // 15
$map = curry('array_map', 2);
$toupper = $map('strtoupper');
$ary = array('haskell', 'curry',);
print_r($toupper($ary)); // HASKELL CURRY
I may have played fast and loose with the term "visitor", but I think it's just about OK. I am using it in this sense...
OK, that doesn't explain much, because it just points you at "each". They had a better article somewhere, but I couldn't find it.
I am on a bit of "replace iterator with visitor" mission at the moment at work, so this is on my brain right now.
Except that I wasn't even thinking of building anything. I was thinking that the RSS reader would output, say HTML, as the events came in. I didn't even think of building up the document internally. Goes to show how even the simplest snippet of code can be interpreted completely differently without sufficient context. I should have filled out the other methods.
But then, patterns are fuzzy things best deployed subconsciously I think.
I've never written a line of Ruby code, but I would venture to say that mixins are the Ruby equivalent of Visitor.
Visitor allows you to add new operations to a class without putting them in the class itself.
It's "building" on the output. I admit that's far-fetched, but it may be less far-fetched than calling it Visitor.
Yes and no. I sometimes need to think consciously about them to learn. I keep re-reading GoF and learning something new every time.
Doesn't look like a Visitor to me.
Looks like a Visitor to me though; It's the RssReader it's self that's acting as the Visitor in this case no?
I agree for learning, do it consciously. Once absorbed, I don't think about them too much at the text editor.
Ruby Mixins are the metaclass stuff. It's actually the ruby block that's replacing the visitor...
class IterableFromWithin
def each()
names.sort.each { |name|
def names
return ['Marcus', 'Dagfinn']
# Pass callback as a block.
IterableFromWithin.new.each { |item| print 'Hello ' + item }
IMHO it's not a Visitor unless it
I don't see that in any of the examples here.
The Visitor pattern is apparently not necessary in Ruby, so I wouldn't expect Ruby experts to explain it well.
It could, but my example was lousy. How about painting a list...
class ListPainter {
function paint($list) {
function setBorder($size) { ... }
function paintTitle($title) { ... }
function start() { ... }
function paintItem($item) { ... }
function finish() { ... }
Some examples...
$painter = new PdfListPainter();
The single accept() method is C++ specific, and there the function overloading is used to dispatch. The above uses a second callback instead. I would say that as long as there is a negotiation between the two tightly coupled objects to decide the actual code block to run, then it's pretty visitorish. Otherwise the Visitor pattern isn't really a pattern, it's more of an implementation.
I do agree that I have stretched it as much as the pragmatic programmers have stretched it. I kind of hope the "Prags" win, though. I find the GOF explanation is truly horrible.
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- The Fightin' Dirks fought off the Heat to tie the NBA Finals at 2 a piece. Do you get the feeling that this one is going 7 games?
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With the deprecation of the mysql_* extension in the current version of PHP and it's likely removal from the next version of PHP, it got me wondering how many sites will break when the server they are hosted on migrate over to either version 5.6 or 6.0 of PHP. I would imagine that most (hopefully all) of the "off the shelf" CMSs such as wordpress, Joomla, Drupal, MediaWiki, phpBB, SMF, etc, without looking at their code will have migrated over to using either the mysqli_* extension or PDO and hopefully they all use prepared statements, but their will probably be sites running older versions of CMSs or custom CMSs that still use the mysql_* extension.
Whenever I see any examples of code here now that use the old mysql_* extension I always bring it to their attention that the mysql_* is deprecated and if I can't see from the code snippet how they are sanitizing and escaping data, then I'll advise them to make use of prepared statements. I always suggest they use PDO over mysqli as it's easier to change db server software with PDO (just the connection needs changing and any query syntax specific to the old server software).
How many people have got sites or know of sites that still use the old mysql_* extension and have not started work on migrating over to either the mysqli extension or the more preferable PDO and started using prepared statements?
My gut feeling is that as sites on shared servers, as servers migrate over to php 5.6 (which is the version in which the mysql_* will not exist) or 6.0 (whenever that does come out), that many older sites that use the mysql_* extension will vanish from the net.
That is an article that explains how to migrate your code over to using PDO and prepared statements, it's not hard, just time consuming. I've got 226 queries left to migrate to using PDO but I would imagine that some sites will have many more then that. So if you've got a site still using the old mysql_* extension, now is the time to migrate it over to PDO and to start using prepared statements. Would you rather spend time now migrating over, testing on your development server or find in a few months time when your site breaks when the server it's on has the mysql_* extension removed and you're panicking?
Well, I don't have much to say about the move away from mysql_* to PDO. In my opinion PDO has been around as the supperior option for quite some time now, so I'm sure a great amount of large projects are on their way to implementing PDO if they haven't. If if they are not, then I question the skill level and ability of the project developers to the point where I don't think I'd be able to trust their software or the future of their project.
Having said that, I'm actually responding to the problem of having 100's of queries to convert. In my experience, it's best to use a data wrapper that has a consistant public interface. This way if there are any changes to how you interact with persistent data, or it's API, all you have to do is change the back end code located in your wrapper.
This way your code is scattered with something like:
$sql->dbSelect($table, $what, $conditions);
All you need to do is keep the dbSelect back end consistent, meaning accepting and returning the same data. Now you only have one place to maintain.
This is an over simplified solution, and not the best in any way. But it's a step in the right direction.
Personally I use Aura.Sql for the back end and have my own custom wrapper for the public interface. This way I can move to another database layer without having to break all of my existing code.
And to push it one step further, I'm actually researching data storage and have been moving away from concentrating only on SQL solutions. I'm looking into ORM's, like Doctrine or Propel. Ideally the public interface I'm looking for will be completely removed from the storage engine I use.
Check this out, it's about designing an application where the separete parts don't need to know how the other is built, or what it's doing. It just has to know what it should expect:
I know I've brought the topic further down the road in the thought process than it started, but I've been giving this quite a bit of thought lately, and the main reason is because of the situation you point out. That is horrible, especially when the application is so coupled to it's data source that you are not only changing one library of code, but you have to go through an application line by line changing queries?
Here's a little write up I did a couple days ago regarding my thoughts and goals towards data storage, and where I hope my research will take me:
It contains some links for further reading if you're interested in the subject.
I feel what you're talking about @SpacePhoenix ; . I've felt the pain of it, and that's why I'm taking it as seriously as I am
Yeah, Id say having an ORM and Query builder will make things a lot easier, for legacy projects they are always slow to adapt to changes which cant be helped. Still, considering how many webhosts still run on PHP 5.2, I doubt most will switch over to PHP 5.5 and 5.6 anytime soon. The good news is that PHP 5.3 is finally the most widely used PHP versions nowadays, I mean at least its safe for a PHP software to abandon PHP 5.2 compatibility supports.
I converted all the mysql_ calls in my own code to mysqli_ calls some time ago (mostly by just adding the "i" and reversing the two parameters). That got them all to where they will continue to work once mysql_ is gone.
Updating all the calls to use more modern /more secure constructs is ongoing but no longer subject to the deadline of breaking when mysql_ is removed.
Am pretty fortunate. A few years ago I created a couple of custom objects ( one for reading , the other for writing) which handled all my mysqli connections and basic data manipulations and a third which was simply a registry of DBConns. I built most of my projects around those objects. It shouldn't be too hard to tweak/ facade those 3 classes so that my old projects work perfectly on newer versions of PHP.
I guess it boils down to : were you doing any sort of OOP for your DB connections or not.
With my system, my only concern is improvement. My original ( current) concept was based on a one object one query paradign; that is : you passed it the components of your query/ query statement at instantiation.. it put it all together, ran the query, stored the pointer, managed retrieval, etc.
So where my own object worked of this paradigm:
$posts=new RMCO ($table, $fields, [$where], [$ordLim],[$aux])
// the object would then build a query string such as: "SELECT [B]*[/B] FROM `[B]roundTable[/B]` WHERE [B]`someID` IN (50,15,5,10) AND `ord`>15[/B] ORDER BY [B]`Name` DESC[/B] ( the bold parts were passed via strings)
( and yes, I did have procedures to sanitize my strings before I instantiated my object)
THE PDO parading favours reusable queries , in essence:
$posts=new RMCO ($query,[$vars])
// this is the prepped statement
// $query= "SELECT :somevar FROM :anotherVar WHERE `someID` IN (:someRange) AND :someElse..."
// this are the variables to be inserted
// $vars = array(":somevar"=>'*', ':anotherVar'=>'roudTable', ':someRange'=>'50,15,5,10', ':someElse'=>15...)
but I see that as a choice for future dev.
@dresden_phoenix: Good stuff.
My current implementation is a bit abstracted, meaning the public interface tries to focus on the data that needs to be manipulated, and on the actual manipulation that I want to do (fetch from the database, alter, insert, delete). I let the back end of the class methods worry about implementation. This way if I need to switch databases I can just alter the back end and not have to worry about changing the way I interact with it (that's the plan at least).
Here's an example of how you would use it:
$tableName = 'users';
$tableData = [
'first_name' => 'John',
'last_name' => 'Doe',
$sql->dbInsert($tableName, $tableData);
I've come come to the conclusion lately that this is still very specific to the storage type (a MySQL table in this case), the how the data is represented in the storage type (columns and rows) and the method of data manipulation (sql queries).
I'm researching right now so I can design a way to pull back even farther from the back end implementation and just focus on what the developer wants to do with the data.
Here's an example of what I'd like the end results to look like:
$entity = new Entity('user'); // The type of thing that's represented. Could be anything, i.e. a user, a blog post, a poll, a session cookie, an ad, etc...
$entity->list('firstName'); // Will create an array of all first names in the persistent storage
'firstName' => 'John',
'lastName' = 'Doe'
$entity->remove->(['lastName' => 'Doe']);
This is a very simplistic example, and will probably not be anything like the end result of what I create, but if you'll notice, this could actually be used on any persistent storage system, i.e. sql database, NoSQL database, xml files, json, yaml, flat file, any cloud service, etc...
All you need to do is make and alter the back end for the storage system without having to change your production code. It also makes things easier for the developer, because now you only have to focus on what data you have, and on what you need to do with it, not on how to do those manipulations.
One issue that I'm concerned with is advanced queries where you have multiple data sources and need to relate them in a complicated manner, like using complicated queries and joins. Right now the best solution I have thought of was to have some type of interface where you can tap into the actual storage system and manipulate what you need to, but I might be able to come up with a more abstract and flexible way that's independent of the storage system in use.
I was using mysqli with a wrapper round it but decided to migrate over to PDO as my site might one day end up on a server that doesn't use MySQL. If I were to carry on using mysli with a wrapper I'd have to change all the database class in addition to any query that might use MySQL specfific syntax. Once I migrate over to PDO, if I end up in that situation I'll still have to change any query that uses MySQL specific syntax but other then that It'd be just a single line change onlym just where I create an instance of PDO.
With a wrapper, if a move to a server without MySQL is forced with little warning, that could be hours or days downtime, by using PDO in that situation it would just be a few hours downtime.
I read with interest this thread and each and every post confirms that using a PHP Framework is far better than "re-inventing the wheel".
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I don't think the problem is catastrophic to legacy projects. If mysql_* functions are gone then there's nothing preventing anyone to provide a small library to bring back the functions and translate what they do to mysqli. It would be necessary to put a few require statements where necessary but still less work than having to change all occurrences of mysql_* functions.
Well for legacy projects, most aint gonna upgrade to PHP 5.5 and later versions anyway. Its strongly advised not to use mysql deprecated functions for new projects, and for newbies learning PHP/MySQL they better stick to MySQLi and PDO classes.
It has been flagged for removal for several years now. That's plenty of time for any system to have made the necessary changes. It isn't like the changes required to switch from mysql_ calls to mysqli_ calls is all that great. A short script to run against all the PHP code on a server could make 99% of the necessary changes automatically so even the biggest of projects could have been converted in a few of hours at any time since the proposed removal was announced. The only excuse for not having converted yet is laziness.
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"Everything came together at the end," said Scott Hairston, who delivered the winning pinch-hit sac fly in the eighth. "We really needed that, I think. We did our jobs, collectively, as a team. Offensively and defensively, and pitching came through at the end. That's what we needed."
Chicago entered the night next-to-last in the Majors with a .186 batting average. They had hit just 6-for-44 (.136) with runners in scoring position, an issue that players and manager Dale Sveum spoke about before the game.
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Gorman: Walker's winning way fueled by failures
Before his game against North Allegheny, Butler coach Clyde Conti shot friendly fire in the direction of Art Walker.
While catching throws from Tigers quarterback Mack Leftwich in pre-game warmups, the former Clarion University All-America receiver cracked to his old coach, "Still got it."
Conti, who gave Walker his first coaching job at Clarion-Limestone, reminded the North Allegheny coach that Baldwin had an 0-9 record during Walker's senior season.
"If you're going to insult me, get it right," Walker shot back. "It was 0-10."
Walker, 42, has won five WPIAL Class AAAA championships, two at Central Catholic and three consecutive at North Allegheny, and is attempting to win his third PIAA championship.
For or all of his success, Walker admits that he is fueled by failure. At Baldwin, his teams endured back-to-back 0-10 seasons amid a 26-game winless streak.
"It is a motivating factor for me, I'm not going to lie," Walker said Wednesday on my TribLIVE Radio Show. "When I started coaching, I made kind of a promise to myself that I would do everything I could to make sure that everybody who played for me, whether I was a head coach or assistant coach, did not experience what I experienced.
"It was not a lot of fun. It was not enjoyable. You worked very, very hard and spent a lot of time and effort and hours in trying your best to compete and win football games — and we didn't. We didn't win many at all."
Thus, it's not by accident that North Allegheny has won 43 of its past 45. It's a feat that is almost as impressive as Clairton's state-record 61-game winning streak, given that the Tigers play in the state's highest classification.
The son of a legendary Mt. Lebanon coach is an excellent communicator known for his game preparation and play-calling, intensity and laser-like focus. Walker has turned the personal disappointment of his high school career into professional achievement as one of the top coaches in the WPIAL.
"I made sure that my focus is going to be to try to always put our kids in the situation to at least have an opportunity to win, to be in the game, and at least walk off the field with their heads held high, knowing they did everything they possibly could," Walker said. "It's something I don't want to experience again. And it's something I don't want the guys who play for me or coach with me to experience, either.
"It's going to be with me. It's not so much a negative now as it is a motivating factor. I use it to understand that we're having a heck of a run with this group of kids."
A run that Walker wants to end with another PIAA Quad-A championship. His Tigers (14-0) are in the state semifinals for the third consecutive year and need only a victory over West Lawn Wilson to play in Hershey for the PIAA title.
"Twenty years or so from now, when that time comes, they're going to be talking about him as one of the all-time greats," Conti said. "He's that good of a coach."


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Michael van der Ham Resort 2013
Michael van der Ham is the latest of the young British designers to branch into resort—a step that's a little like earning your wings as a small-business entrepreneur. It's in response to demand, he says. "Yes, the good news is that, since I broadened my options and started making separates, the pieces have been selling so well, retailers are asking for more."
Actually, back-of-house expansion is the season's story at many London designers' studios this summer—a remarkable phenomenon, given the fact that, besides the Queen's Jubilee and the Leveson Inquiry, all the British newspapers are full of is double-dip recession and euro crisis stories. Nevertheless, Roksanda Ilincic and Christopher Kane have been taking on more space; and Jonathan Saunders, Mary Katrantzou, and J.W. Anderson are all on the hunt for qualified personnel as their businesses grow. It's because they're collectively managing to reach out globally; and they're doing that because what they make is wearable.
Which brings us back to van der Ham. Looking at his resort lineup, charmingly photographed in front of a bucolic theater backdrop, it's almost hard to retrieve the memory that he was the boy who started off as a free-form collagist, a guy who seemed to fuse two or even three dresses together to produce an eccentrically flowing, fresh kind of glamour. Now, his shapes—at least in this collection—are considerably calmed down and regularized into pencil-slim dresses and skirts which almost (gasp) could be worn by the Duchess of Cambridge. But mentally designing to the young regal dress code isn't something that had occurred to van der Ham. "If it does, it's unconscious," he laughed.
The Dutch-born designer's talent for choosing fabric, like the tufty, often metallic textures, and his patchworking of color is still visible to van der Ham aficionados—women who are likely also drawn to the worlds of Dries Van Noten and Marni. Still, it would be nice to see him step up the flamboyance and throw in a few surprises when he takes to the runway in September. It's van der Ham's season to graduate from the New Gen scheme which has hatched so many fledgling talents (Saunders, Ilincic, Kane, and Katrantzou amongst them), and it would be great to see him do it with a flourish.


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AMD's DTX Form Factor: Smaller PCs for Everyone?by Anand Lal Shimpi on 10/22/2007 1:00 AM EST
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geok1ng - Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - linkthere is a problem to be solved and it is actually FIND small cases!
a- The idea behind BTX is to gain a few inches over the microATX desing to put the PSU and the optical drive together. The idea works quite well.
b- but small cases are hard to find
c- small AND reliable PSUs are harder still!
without cheap cases orcheap and reliable PSUs it is no use to have a $70 CPU over a $70 motherboard, even if the setup can play blurays on the fly (AKA 780G chipset) Reply
BeowulfX - Friday, October 26, 2007 - linkI think they should just stop meddling with the form factor (whether it's Intel or AMD), IMHO, because PC users have managed to survive with the current ATX or m-ATX form factors.
There ain't much PC users out there who like the idea of throwing their expensive yet still useful mid/full-tower ATX cases (branded or modded) and working ATX/m-ATX motherboards into the attic just so they could have a slimmer casing…as if the constant CPU upgrades isn't enough yet to cause people to keep spending…
If there were really a lot of people who approve of changing current form-factors for motherboards and PC casing…then why is BTX not so popular?…don't tell me its all about implementation…because I think it's MORE about people support and practicality (i.e. using hard-earned money to just buy some other useful PC stuff than throw away functioning current ATX mobos and PC cases for BTX or this proposed DTX form-factor).
On the other hand, this DTX form-factor might simplify things up a bit (generally speaking, that is), yet in this particular case or situation, I'm more inclined to follow the old adage: "don't fix it if it ain't broke".
This will probably gain limited acceptance in some big-time offices and for some PC users who don't have much room space to spare for a full ATX tower or even for wealthy PC users looking for some other ways to spend their overflowing filthy rich treasure boxes…but personally, I think companies like AMD or Intel should just focus their efforts more in persuading software outfits to create apps that'll put dual-cores, quad-cores to good use (and I mean creating more and more 64-bit/multithreaded apps).
Leave the form factor alone…encourage first software support for 64-bit/multithreaded apps (i.e. AMD is already contemplating on doing this by their Light Weight Profiling "LWP" proposal)…then may be, after we see abundance of softwares for our hardwares, Intel or AMD can go back on harassing us to give up our modded/expensive/branded full-ATX or mid-ATX PC cases and accompanying ATX motherboards.
hans007 - Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - linkif you didnt notice the latest dimensions and vostro machines are micro ATX again.
almost all the big box machines except the enthusiast platforms are microa ATX anyway. look at hp, all their Q6600 machines even are micro ATX for the pavilion line.
the further miniturization by DTX is pretty stupid. why bother with mini DTX when the very similar mini-itx is there. and why bother with DTX when flex ATX is there (flex ATX has 2 slots for everyone who wants DTX for having 2 slots).
DTX is still just as "deep" as microATX (it goes out to the 3rd row of screw holes on microATX) so that is moot. there are plenty of microATX boards that b arely go past the 2nd row of screw holes (so only 8" or so)... even fairly new boards based on G31 etc.
so yeah DTX is not really that awesome since well we have flexATX and mini ITX already. AMD is tring to just make up a new "standard" even though the market doesnt really need it. and BTX is dead, i would not be surprised if the next generation of dell optiplex is also just plain ATX also , since new cpus are fairly low power, and heatpipe coolers are just as quiet now anyway (some HP pentium D machinse used AVC heatpipe coolers which were just as quiet as btx) Reply
sprockkets - Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - linkDon't forget about how it makes it also easy to manufacture, i.e. make 4 boards from a motherboard set. Reply
shecknoscopy - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkIf this announcement were made, say, two years ago, then AMD's major selling point for the platform would be its expandability within a small-form factor setup. But the days of its true principle competitor - mini-ITX - being limited to embedded VIA CPUs and PCI expansion are long over. Since both AM2 and LGA775-based mITX board with pretty much any kind of exapnsion options (PCIe x16, onboard SATA-raid, etc...) are available to- or soon to be available to- the public, and since such boards have both a smaller footprint and lower thermal consumption, I honestly don't see the point to DTX. And yes, mITX can be mounted on ATX-specification holes. Or inside a pumpkin.*
My guess is that this might be more of a move meant to advance the AMD brand rather than AMD's technologies. Namely, their image as a company which refuses to be pidgeon-holed within the confines of the status quo is only aided by their purported creation of a new small form-factor spec. And for the non ITX enthusiasts, maybe this seems like news - one might believe that this is AMD further pushing development in a field that's been under-explored by their competitors. But it's just not the case, really.
-Sheq (good to be back!)
*-Hey, 'tis the season. Reply
sprockkets - Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - linkDon't mind Intel or AMD based ITX boards, just the fact that the stupid heat sink takes up all the room, requires laptop ram, and the stupid board has to cost $250 or more without a CPU. Reply
bupkus - Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - linkIntroducing Intel's "Little Valley" mini-itx for < $80
Bluestealth - Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - linkIt kinda sucks that you have to be an OEM to bring costs for ITX systems down, but it goes with the territory I guess.
Although I have to say, even the completed ITX systems/terminals the OEMs sell are quite overpriced :) Reply
flipmode - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkDunno, but this is one of the most exciting developments in the home PC arena right now in my opinion. I'm quite looking forward to seeing these products hit retail and get reviewed.
I never really read up on BTX but my understanding of that form factor was that it's sole purpose was to enhance cooling. I heard that it required expensive retooling of manufacturing facilities, and that AMD's platform had issues with the component arrangement.
Contrast that with DTX: it's compatible with ATX so minimal retooling and it's purpose is to introduce and industry standard small form factor. That doesn't sound very similar to BTX.
I've got a BTX base Dell Optiplex small form factor desktop here at work and I love it - it's small, it's quiet, it runs extremely cool, and with a DVD-RW, C2D6600, 4GB, 160Gig, and Radeon x1300 it is a very powerful machine.
So if DTX make a machine like that available to the DIY crowd then I'll be pretty dang excited.
I'd say the number one force of resistance to DTX will be graphics technology where the components are getting larger at a crazy rate. We went from single slot cards to double slot cards to dual double slot cards and evidently next it'll be quad double slot cards.
But for the rest of us non gamers DTX will be an answered prayer. All I want is a stand alone video card but it doesn't have to be powerful, just up to snuff on features.
Meh, just thinking out loud. Reply
Martimus - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkWith the size of LCD monitors, and the size of these motherboards, we could start seeing computers where the Monitor, CPU, and Drives are all one unit like they were years ago. This would be nice, because it would make them more mobile, and would tkake up less space. It would make it more difficult to make adjustments to the components, but most people don't really tinker inside their computer anyway. I would like to see some computers like that (Other than my 1980 Compaq with a 10MB hard drive, or the old Apple computers what had everything integrated into the monitor). Reply
leexgx - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkmonitors with DTX Clamps to Hold the PC to the back of the monitor :)
Bluestealth - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkOr a standardized docking slot for mini-desktops for monitors.
Although the clamps allow for more varied case designs. Reply
AmberClad - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkI really can't see myself using this form factor. I use mATX right now, and that has a good balance of compact size and expandability -- enough expansion slots to meet an average user's needs without having an excess of empty slots like with regular ATX. If I wanted to go really small, I'd pick mini-ITX. I look at this DTX design, and I see something that is neither as flexible as mATX, nor as compact as mini-ITX. Building a decent HTPC with a motherboard that only supports two slots may prove difficult -- you'd have to compromise between picking a video card, TV tuner, and sound card. So DTX doesn't seem all that interesting for DIY use.
On the other hand, it might be quite suitable for small form factor OEM systems. But with Apple's partnership with Intel these days, that's one system builder that probably won't be using this form factor... Reply
Ajax9000 - Monday, October 22, 2007 - link
Building a decent HTPC with a motherboard that only supports two slots may prove difficult -- you'd have to compromise between picking a video card, TV tuner, and sound card.
Foregoing the soundcard and using a digital audio connection to proper receiver/amplifier would be my choice.
I've been looking at mini-ITX but getting even a video card and a TV tuner (i.e. not USB) plugged in is difficult without resorting to exotic internal cabling/whatever.
So, I'd like a mini-DTX ... but supporting C2D thanks, the AMD processors don't excite me just at the moment ...
Shuttle is supposedly going to re-enter the motherboard market with boards such as the FP35 and FX38, but they are BTX-style. Reply
yyrkoon - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkDTX in my opinion has nothing to do with BTX, and has more in common with mini/micro-ITX.
Ok sure, it is so far non widely accepted, like BTX, but that is where the commonalities stop.
Anyhow, it would be good to have something similar to mITX, and something that is standardized, and hopefully, not a rip-off fest waiting to happen(like mITX . . .). Reply
defter - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkSo if you add a video card and a sound card, you will have zero slots left...
It's unlikely that DTX will replace ATX among those who build PCs themselves, because of this slot limit. For example with micro-ATX you can have 4 expansion slots. Reply
sprockkets - Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - linkyeah, but how many have you seen upgrade their video card? And if you need to replace the ethernet card, there is always usb.
Think business stations as well. Oh wait, they are going back to diskless computer terminals. Reply
Regs - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkI think ATX is reaching its limits too. The size of a video card just keeps getting bigger and bigger.. Reply
kyp275 - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkI see this as mostly for the HTPC crowd than anything else, where you don't really need much as far as expansion slot goes. Reply
BansheeX - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkOne of the things that always confuses me is that today's PCs seem unnecessarily large and we could easily reduce material waste and power consumption by ditching ATX completely and making micro-atx/dtx/whatever the new standard. It seems logical that the desktop should move from 3.5 HDs to 2.5 HDs, 5.25 CD Drives to Slim CD drives, and full profile graphics/sound cards to low-profile graphics sound cards. At one point, I'm sure it wasn't technologically attractive, but these days even 2.5 hard drives can reach extremely high speeds and capacities. The price premium is largely a result of it NOT being the standard, so that would not be an issue. Floppies are gone or USB-alized, so that's not taking up space anymore. Reply
defter - Monday, October 22, 2007 - link
but these days even 2.5 hard drives can reach extremely high speeds and capacities.
Where I can find 500GB 2.5" HDD for $100?
For most of the people size isn't that important and they do not want to pay extra for a small size. Reply
Calin - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkForget about price, where can I find a 2.5" hard drive at 750GB?
Also, with a dual slot cooled graphic card, you are out of luck for SLI on a micro ATX board Reply
Myrandex - Monday, October 22, 2007 - link100% Liar Face detected.
I have that board, and it is awesome. It is keeping me from upgrading as I have never found a mATX board as good as that one for either AM2+ or Core2/4/1024 Duo chips.
I actually wish someone would make that with a socket AM2+ socket on there so that I could take the same board with the same Chipset and be Phenom ready (or someone make a Intel CPU compatible version plz!) Reply
themadmilkman - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkOkay, then show us an mATX board that allows you to run at 16x in SLI using double-slot cards, because that one does not. According to the article you linked, they only run at 8x when using the outer slots. Reply
sprockkets - Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - linkyeah, but I dare you to show the improvement over 8x.
Gamer systems have to be ATX. The video cards are huge, and besides, it is all about show, i.e. windows, lights, UV, aluminum, etc. Reply
kyp275 - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkNot quite, it all depends on what you're using your PC for.
For many moderate to power users, cooling is a big issue, and when you stick all that power-hungry CPU/GPUs into a small case, effective cooling becomes extremely difficult to achieve.
I'm currently running a e6600 with a single 8800gts card in a P182 case, a full size mid-tower, and it's barely big enough to fit all the components, their cooler, leave room for optimal airflow, and I'm not even running SLI or crossfire. There's a reason why you don't see any high-end machines in small-form factors, they simply don't work with today's cooling methods.
Price is also another issue. While your right that not being the standard has to do with the price premiums, there are also physical limitations that goes into smaller parts such as a hard drive. There's simply less physical area in the 2.5" drives to store information compared to their 3.5" counterpart, and unless you can come up with a way to defy the law of physics, that's just the way it's going to be. Reply
BansheeX - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkDon't you see the fallacy in that viewpoint, though? In five years, you'll be saying 2TB on a 2.5 isn't enough when you can get 4TB on a 3.5. And if we had double-ATX sized computers as a standard, you'd be having the same grievances about the ATX standard. "Oh no, I can't use octo-SLI or a 1500w power supply! Noooooo!" The heat and cost issues people are bringing up have everything to do with the fact that costs are lower insatiable appetite for power. Multiple-video cards is a joke and always has been. The industry standard shouldn't be ATX with smaller form factors labeled as for the "enthusiast HTPC crowd." Micro-ATX should be the standard with ATX being the less common "enthusiast" platform for people who are insatiable enough to buy into SLI. Reply
kyp275 - Monday, October 22, 2007 - link
In five years, you'll be saying 2TB on a 2.5 isn't enough when you can get 4TB on a 3.5.
If in 5 years i say that 2TB on a 2.5" isn't enough, it'll be because it ISN'T enough for my usage. It wasn't that long ago when 160gb or 320gb was more than enough for me, but the increasing size of many media files (lossless audio, HD vid, larger games etc.) means that those sizes are no longer enough, at least for my need. And as long as 2.5" drives continue to be more expensive and slower than their 3.5" counterpart, people will prefer the 3.5" drives.
Unless you want to pay for mine, that is :P
if we had double-ATX sized computers as a standard, you'd be having the same grievances about the ATX standard. "Oh no, I can't use octo-SLI or a 1500w power supply! Noooooo!
It's the softwares that dictates what hardwares we use, I'd imagine most people don't choose what hardwares to use for the sake of the hardwares, except maybe the bench-mark enthusiast crowd.
Basically, your arguments are ignoring too many things. People will not get "octo-SLI" or a 1500w PSU unless there's a need, real or perceived, being driven by their particular application. As for heat issues, that's purely the product of the way our technology works today. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the laws of thermodynamic.
The industry standard shouldn't be ATX with smaller form factors labeled as for the "enthusiast HTPC crowd." Micro-ATX should be the standard with ATX being the less common "enthusiast" platform for people who are insatiable enough to buy into SLI.
and why is that? give me a reason why small form factors should be the standard. ATX isn't just for people who want to have SLI, like I said in a post earlier, I'm running a single 8800gts in a full size mid-tower, and it's just barely enough. There's simply no way to jam all the stuff I have in that PC into a SMF box without the stuff overheating all the time.
and that's assuming I can even jam all that stuff in there in the first place. Reply
bupkus - Monday, October 22, 2007 - link
give me a reason why small form factors should be the standard.
45nm--->32nm, etc.
I don't thing BansheeX is suggesting that you be forced to cram your high powered system into a tiny case. I think that market trends to miniaturization for all and especially for the bulk of users is inevitable. Reply
BansheeX - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkExactly. All I'm trying to get across here is that when 95% of the market would find matx computers with current capacity 2.5 HDs totally sufficient, staying with ATX as the industry standard just seems foolish. Look at all of the things that have changed to allow for this. Floppies are dead. Onboard ethernet is now good and standard, freeing up a slot that always used to be taken. Onboard audio got better, making sound cards unnecessary for most. 2.5 HDs got massive and storage density and 8mb cache increased their speeds dramatically even at 5400rpm. That and they barely get warm to the touch and they make virtually no sound, in turn making them more reliable. It's a serious improvement that will only continue to get better and cheaper if 3.5 gets canned. I honestly believe that 3.5 hard drives are an unnecessary dinosaur format. Macs and consoles are 100% correct to choose 2.5 while people who only think about size/cost continue to perpetuate 3.5's just as they would an even cheaper, larger, noisier and more power-hungry 5" HD if one existed.
So yes, it's positively peculiar to me that we continue to see things like 5-expansion ATX persist as the norm while smaller boards are relegated for niche markets. I can't believe how resistant the PC market is to change. Christ, I still have parallel and serial ports on the back of my new motherboard. Fifteen years later... WHY ARE THESE HERE. I don't care how many people bitch and moan, the industry needs to grow some balls like they did with SATA. Reply
kyp275 - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkIn that case, I do agree with you. Miniaturization will happen, but unless there's a large market demand for it, it's not going to happen fast.
and ultimately price is a big factor, and that's where the chicken-or-egg lies: price won't come down until there's a wide adaptation of the standard, but said adaptation won't happen 'til the price comes down.
IMO in this particular case it requires a whole lot of manufacturers taking the plunge together across multiple devices and standards, and I don't see that happening any time soon, if ever. Reply
sprockkets - Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - linkI'm looking forward to having the first SSD built on the motherboard, say 16GB for the OS. Making a diskless system will be way easier. Reply
chrispyski - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkYup, thats precisely where the problem with BTX & DTX lies. If your gonna do some heavy gaming and need upgradability, then you have to go with ATX or at least mATX. But if all you want to do is some word processing and web, then laptops become more prevalent for their small size.
DTX will have some hills to climb, no doubt. But eventually this could become a very good HTPC platform. Reply
themadmilkman - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkI was about to say the same thing. For a general use PC, ie email, web surfing, maybe the occasional flash-based game, a tiny PC like that makes perfect sense. But for people who jam 2 video cards, a sound card, RAID, etc., into a case space becomes a priority fast. Reply
Bluestealth - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkIts it really necessary?
There is also flexATX(Part of the mATX spec) which is almost as small as mini-DTX, and that isn't doing so great.
I feel that AMD is trying to solve a problem that isn't there.
Most of the users looking for smaller systems than pico-btx are businesses wanting to deploy terminals. For that use, mini-ITX is big enough. Reply
sprockkets - Monday, October 22, 2007 - linkWould have built a BTX system using a pico or whatever the small form factor board is. But, try looking for such a case. There are none, with only one motherboard from Intel.
Had Intel not been an ass and flipped all the slots around, and had the same setup of the fan and the same arrangement of the processor and such exhaust through the back, more people may have liked it. All that hot air that comes out of that duct system of theirs just went into the case, only to be exhausted by the power supply.
OEMs built systems around BTX because, "Well, it came out from Intel, and since they are the leader, we have to use it and market it as a feature." Then they said how it makes the system quieter. Hmmm..., OEMs had problems with this since when? They custom make all there stuff.
In any case, for the prototype case, when you say there was a vent missing from the power supply, can you say where? In the picture covering the system, is that also where it intakes air? Can't see any holes for the CPU fan.
Wonder if they should not have used a Shuttle XPC format instead of this one, still using a laptop cd drive to decrease size.
Shame also too there are no laptop cd drives yet that use SATA. Reply
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