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EcoCord Gardening
EcoCord, your gardeners in Surrey Reliable, experienced, trained. Combining shapes, colors and textures, we create lasting beauty and elegance. The EcoCord Garden Service offers affordable, high quality garden maintenance. As specialist in regular residential and corporate garden maintenance, we have devoted ourselves to service reliability. We advise organic and environmentally friendly practice as mulching, composting, organic weed and pest control, organic fertilizing, planting native and well-adapted species, water and energy saving garden design, biodiversity. Our people are trained and experienced, they use their expertise in combining shapes, colours and textures in order to create beauty and elegance. Only the quality plants are sourced, supplied and delivered from selected growers across the Surrey. Our aim is to create a natural family escape- a man made ecosystem blending art and science to create a gardens of lasting beauty and value. We serve customers in Effingham, Bookham, Fetcham, Cobham and Leatherhead.
Green Class Services ltd
Green Class Services started off some years ago as solely dealing with gardening services and gardening maintenance throughout the Middlesex area. Through the success of this service, excellent customer satisfaction and listening to our customers feedback we recognised that other services could be beneficial to our customers. Using our gardening services as our foundation we embarked on finding out what other services we could offer to our customers. We identified that certain other trades could be used in conjunction with our gardening services. Our aim then was to bring a range of services to our customers and by doing this allowed us to expand our business. We could also bring our services to a wider area range, not only throughout Middlesex but we could now cover Surrey, Berkshire and parts of Buckinghamshire, Hampshire, West & North London too. Services We Provide Green Class Services offer a unique range of different domestic services. Domestic energy assessing, Electrical, Garden maintenance and Plumbing.
TW PROPERTY SERVICES is a buisness full of specialists in work from landscaping to re-roofs, all our work comes with 10 years gurantee, we run a very friendly service, you can find us on rated people, we have public liability insurance also
Grass UK
high quality synthetic grass for lawns
Pro fencing and landscaping limited
We are a family business with over 15 years experience that prides ourselves on our service to you, the Customer, and our reputation speaks for itself. Pro fencing and landscaping limited firmly believe the Customer comes 1st, which is why we offer FREE estimates and fixed pricing so no hidden charges. We are suppliers and Installers of all types of quality fencing. Our Team are experienced in all aspects of Fencing, landscaping and Gardening, including… Fencing Decking Paving Block Paving Driveways Garden Clearance Turfing Lawn care & cutting Hedge trimming All all our work is guaranteed and we are fully insured for your peace of mind. Contact us now to discuss your requirements. Covering London Essex Hertfordshire and Cambridge
M&M Groundworks & Landscaping
M&M Groundworks and Landscaping are based in Warlingham and we are a well-renowned company covering many locations throughout Surrey and Sussex including the major towns of Croydon and Crawley. We are committed to helping the customer achieve the perfect outdoor space using a combination of hard and soft landscaping techniques. From the installation of a bespoke driveway to the laying of paving or a new patio, clients in Croydon, Crawley and all surrounding areas are assured of a first-class service where all excavation and groundwork requirements are performed in-house. With M&M, you can use our services in confidence knowing that all of our staff are fully qualified professionals with years of trade and industry experience under their belts. Our company caries full employer and public liability insurance.
Sedcombe landscapes and design
I have 20 years experience in garden landscape construction plus gaining NVQ's level 1-3 in brickwork at Bexley college from 1997 to 2000, 3 years of living and working in Australia learning and crafting different styles and techniques including building large sandstone retaining walls using heavy rock grabbing machinery and understanding the drainage systems they need, swimming pools and outside tiled or hardwood timber decked entertainment ares to name just a few, has given vast trade experience which enables us to install "workmanship guaranteed" landscape construction projects of every kind to suit everyone's style and budget. Driveway installations. We create driveways that are specific for each customers needs, requirements and budgets. The different materials and the many colours they are available in now is almost endless in providing a driveway to fit everybody's style. Whether it's block paving with flat finish and straight edges and block built then rendered and painted in a colour of your choice retainer walls/garden beds or maybe a rustic and traditional look, using riven finished Indian sandstone paving or tumbled block pavers and brickwork using old stock bricks, we have a design for you. We also install resin bonded driveways. please contact us today to arrange your free consultation. Patio installs. Our range of services we offer for your gardens and the quality of our finished works in all our landscaping projects are second to none and there is no job too big or small. When it comes to a customers garden, we understand whatever the size it may be it is you and your families outside haven and we put the same amount of attention to detail, standard of workmanship and customers ideas at the forefront of every sized project we take on and if a certain budget is in mind, then no fears or worries as we give fully approximate quotations for all works. There are many garden services and products we offer in our patio and outdoor entertaining installs, Sandstone is a popular material and can be laid using the riven or smooth sawn sandblasted finish, York stone, natural slate, limestone and to offer even more material and colour choice to our clients we also specialise in outdoor patio tiling, by installing the correct reinforced concrete base that's floated and smoothed and the right flexible adhesive we can take that inside look outside as well, we also design and build bespoke brick BBQ's of all sizes and install fully functional outdoor cooking areas. Brickwork specialists including retaining walls, brick built steps and more. Timber is also a popular choice to use in patio areas, we supply and fit soft and hard wood decking including balustrades. Fencing and gates of all sizes and styles. Drainage issues, we can sort them. Turfing, we use rolawn with every new lawn instal. Artificial grass installs are also popular, especially in properties that have water meters fitted, if the summers are very dry you can still have a green lawn all year round with no further expense to the water bill and is maintenance free by choosing to have this product installed in your garden. We provide a bespoke landscape design on request for every size of project, there's no job too big or too small and every garden deserves the SLD touch, so don't delay and contact us today to book an obligation free consultation and quotation for your garden landscaping needs. We can also arrange the installation of summer houses and sheds we fit the concrete bases needed for such projects. We are fully insured
Fully qualified, insured gardening business. Offering all areas of gardening work from mowing and weeding to building stone walls to tree surgery I have a PhD in botany and a creative perspective. I have 9 years on site experience, learning everything from laying patios and lawns to planting flower beds and shrubberies, aquatics, and fencing. So for all your garden requires come to us for a free quote.
SLT Group
Full landscaping and garden services across, Essex, Cambridgeshire. Hertfordshire, North and East London Paving, Driveways, Fencing, Walling, Decking, Pergolas, Turf and Artificial Grass, Sleepers and more Grass and Hedge Cutting, Tree Work, Borders and Planting, Clearances, 1 off or regular visits Residential and Commercial Design service Free quotations Friendly, Affordable, Professional Service
Marcus Gardens Ltd
Marcus Gardens is a small business offering hard and soft landscaping services. Our aim is to provide a reliable service from which our clients get value for money hence out motto "Quality Service Never Compromised". Whatever the project, large or small do get in touch. If you can dream it, we'll bring it to life.
We are property management company. Have been providing building contracting services throughout London for the past decade. We believe we have the best tradesmen available anywhere in London. Decorators, Painters, Tilers, Plasterers, Plumbers, Bathroom fitters
Perfect Pitch
Experts in Landscaping, Gardening and Groundwork. Undertaking all work from driveway cleaning services, patios, turf to tree and grass cutting.
The garden design factory
Design | Build | Plant | Maintain
JT Driveways and Landscaping
For 25 years we have been a family run business We take great pride in what we do Making our costomers happy and satisfied with The work taken out
VDK Services LTD
We have 15 ears professional experience with garden services. Also we have horticulture education and knowledge. We love to do the household & garden maintenance jobs how you hate. Our offers a friendly and reliable garden service for all their residents
Artificial grass supplier and installer in Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire and Greater London.
R and R Property Maintenance
We offer highly professional refurbishment advice. Our Team of experienced tradesmen have a wide range of skills such as carpentry, tiling, painting, decorating and flooring so that we can offer our clients a fully comprehensive refurbishment service.
Pristine GardensCertificate of Excellence 2015
Pristine Gardens are domestic and commercial grounds maintenance and garden maintenace contractors with a large client base throughout surrey. Our dedicated team of Gardeners provide a professional and reliable service at an affordable service. We are able to offer fixed term, fixed price packages with a fixed monthly fee for ease of budgeting and cash flow or on an hourly rate staring at £18.50ph Pristine Gardens have no minimum or maximum job size and currently carry out montly lawn mowing services for student lets all the way up to a full service on an estate with 200 flats. With full public liability insurance, a waste carriers licience from the environment agencyand local government approval you can rest assured that what ever the job large or small, Pristine Gardens can fulfil the contract to the highest standards efficiently, professionally and safely.
Just 4 Home Ltd
With many years of experience in the business, Just 4 Home Ltd are committed to providing high-quality services to domestic and commercial customers. CLEANING SERVICES GARDENING SERVICES PAINTING FENCING PAVING BUILDING WORK
RJM Home and Garden
One stop shop for all of your property maintenance needs. Simply, we love what we do and aim to give you good quality service with lasting results.
We are an established family business, based in West Sussex, and can help you find the shed you need at a cost you can afford.
Handy Mike
Handy Man Services
SJA Contractors
General DIY Handyman, Labouring, Site Support, Decorating services, House Clearance, House & Commercial Cleaning Services, Gardening / Clearing Services, Shed Removal & Shed Erection, Concrete bases, Tree Trimming / Removal, Jet Washing, Rubbish Clearance, Window Cleaning, If your requirement is not listed, Please give me a ring / email for a competitive quote,
Waite Enterprise
At Waite Enterprise we offer our clients a professional and personal landscape design opportunity as well as a tailored maintenance service for both residential and commercial properties. Our experienced and dedicated landscape team can provide all the expert advice you need to create your perfect outdoor living space. Using quality materials, we create beautiful outdoor spaces to be proud of for years to come. Leave the stress to us, relax and enjoy your beautiful outdoor living space all year round with Waite enterprises dedicated maintenance team. We offer a complete landscape construction service for residential and commercial projects Turfing, Planting, Decking, Tree Surgery, Fencing, Brickwork, Driveways, Patios,Paving,hedge cutting/pruning, Weeding, mowing, general garden maintenance. All aspects of hard & soft landscaping. Please feel free to reach out, should you have any inquiries.
we offer a wide range of products, including: : Lawn mowing : Strimming ;Hand weeding ;Pesticides/Herbicides/ Insecticides via knapsack :Lawn care :Fencing :Turfing : Astroturfing : logs and kindling
A.R.C Groundworks Ltd
Landscaping & Groundwork Contractors Foundations Drainage Driveways Patios Agricultural Equestrian New Builds Extensions Site Clearance
Pro craft home improvements ltd
At pro craft we are a father and son team with over 30 years experience. We try our best to use quality materials that last for years not months our aim is your satisfaction We don't take deposits until all our work is compete and you are 100% satisfied with the work we do.
Vanderpump & Sykes LLP
We are a long established law firm based in Enfield, North London since 1899. Our specialities include Residential and Commercial Conveyancing, Commercial Property, Dispute Resolution & Litigation, Landlord & Tenants, Family & Divorce, Employment Law, Debt Recovery, and Wills & Probate. We pride ourselves on City service at local costs.
Get The Lawn
Home of quality Artificial Lawn installation by qualified installers. We are a family run business giving each customer a lawn to be proud of. We use the best quality grass to suit many needs and requirements. Having many years experience in the Driveway & Landscape business we can now cater to many customer requirements and adding a new lawn can brighten up any garden or front garden area. We offer a professional and reliable service to every client. We are all qualified, hard working and trained to a high standard
Hill and James landscapes
We provide a full landscaping service . design , construction, garden maintenance and repair/replacement. We also build swimming pools , koi ponds and water features of any size. We build decking and all garden wooden features. We install rain water recovery systems for irrigation or grey water systems(for toilets and washing machines.)
Peter the Gardener
I am an experienced and friendly local gardener happy to help out with mowing, weeding, hedge cutting, leaf clearing, gutter clearing, fence painting in fact any garden job! I have cleared a police check and I am fully insured so you can relax when I am working in your garden. I combine modern gardening techniques with old fashioned manners and courtesy. I will treat your garden as carefully as if it was my own. I care about our environment. All my machinery is low noise and low emissions and all waste is disposed of carefully. Feel free to call me for a chat about your gardening needs.
Diamond Garden Care
email@example.com Garden maintenance services including clearances regular maintenance , grass cutting , planting, hedge cutting , jet washing patios etc. fencing.
Just the Garden
Ground Force Contractors
Ground Force Contractors has more than 30 years' experience within the Landscaping and Horticultural industry. Our specialisms includes country estate management, equestrian facilities, grounds maintenance, sports ground services and water features. No job is ever too small or too large. We provide a wide range of services and undertake both hard and soft landscaping projects, all our projects are competitively priced. We manage maintenance projects for both the residential and commercial sector and using our vast specialist sports surfaces and sports ground maintenance knowledge we are also well equipped to undertake any size project in the emerging market of artificial turf supply, installation and maintenance. Our team work to ensure every aspect of a project is undertaken to the highest standard of quality and professionalism Artificial Turf Supply Install Maintenance Landscaping Artificial Turf Automated Gates Brickwork Driveway Construction Fencing and Gates Lakes, Ponds and Water Features Lighting Natural Turf Patios Supply and Planting of Trees, Shrubs, Bedding Grounds Maintenance Aeration Country Estate Maintenance Fertilising Garden Maintenance Hard Surfaces Hedges Lawns - Artificial and Natural Turf Parks Maintenance Scarifying Shrubs Trees Weed Spraying Water Features Lakes Ponds River Works Civil Engineering Bulk Earthworks Foundation Excavation and Earthworks Support Kerb Laying Road, Car Park and Footpath Construction Sewer and Drainage Installation
Long life grass co.
We are the best value for money professional landscaping company in Hertfordshire - NEVER BEATEN on Price and Service - GUARANTEED!
Gledhill and Turor Ltd
Landscaping to a very high standard with attention to detail with had picked staff to deal with any job.
Envision Landscapes
Bryan Butcher & Son Gardening Services
Ayegardening Ltd
Landscape gardening from a passionate, family-run business in Surrey. As a family-run landscaping business, we understand the many uses of gardens and how important your garden is as a place of relaxation, a safe area for children to play or as a relaxing oasis and a place to enjoy wildlife. Not only will landscaping your garden improve it aesthetically, it will also enhance the appeal and value of your home. Ayegardening and Aye Landscape Construction are an award-winning business having won the coveted Small Business Sunday award from Theo Paphitis and have been named twice as a finalist in the Best Small Business Category at the Red Ribbon Awards, which recognise Britain's thriving family business sector. Whilst in January 2014 Ayegardening was awarded the coveted Buy with Confidence accreditation from the West Sussex Trading Standards Department – an award not given out lightly as a number of rigorous tests must be passed.
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Cooked these drums up sorta like wings. They were 1/3 the price of chicken wings, so we went with these instead. They were dusted with baking powder and seasoning, then cooked indirect around 350 deg f until the skin was crispy.
Then sauced afterwards... half of the drums got sauced with a mixture of Ranch Dressing and Crystal's Wing Sauce... the other half got sauced with some Spicy Miso Teriyaki and Sesame Seeds. Served up with some simple oven-baked french fries.
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Artists set sights on Big Valley
Competitors vie for chance to sing on jamboree's main stage
Wednesday, Jul 30, 2014 06:00 am
They are:
Thursday, July 31 at 3 p.m.
� Mariya Chvojka, 11
� Sofiya Chvojka, 8
� Whitney Boras, 18
Friday, Aug. 1 at 12 noon
� Dante Fecteaus, 8
� Julia Nicholson, 16
� Yasmeen Najmeddine, 15
Friday, Aug. 1 at 3 p.m.
� Hailey Benedict, 12
� Shay Esposito, 16
Saturday, Aug. 2 at 12 noon
� Deanna Missins, 14
� Keirstyn Chartrand, 9
� Taylor Hambly, 14
� Tristyn Chartrand, 9
Big Valley Jamboree is that annual fest where cowboys and country stars turn into brothers at arms tappin� their toes and clappin� their hands.
Pop a cap, pour the suds and sit back and listen to some of the best live country music ever produced at this Camrose masterpiece running July 31 to Aug. 3.
While some urban cowboys and cowgirls have tipped their Stetsons towards the big acts � Chemical Cowboys, Hunter Hays, Zac Brown Band and Miranda Lambert, there�s also a range of fresh faces eager to make their mark.
About 50 provincial acts will be competing as semi-finalists on the ATB Financial Homegrown Stage from Thursday to Saturday. Twelve are local familiar artists.
The St. Albert voices are Dante Fecteaus, Deanna Missins, Hailey Benedict, Julia Nicholson, Taylor Hambly, Whitney Boras and Yasmeen Najmeddine.
Shay Esposito and sisters Keirstyn and Tristyn Chartrand from Sturgeon County, along with Morinville siblings Mariya and Sofiya Chvojka, are also part of the lineup.
During the three-day singing competition, numbers will be whittled down to 12 finalists. The winner performs on the coveted main stage on Sunday just prior to Kip Moore�s performance.
�For these kids the prestige of performing on the main stage is the big thing. They have a huge audience of thousands,� said Irma MacPherson, producer of the ATB Financial stage.
Every year MacPherson and her team audition young talent from across the province. Prior to Big Valley, she hosts workshops designed to polish their performances and hopefully take them to the next level. And she is full of encouragement for each one.
�I see their progress. They come to me and I see them grow into their A-game. I�ve been blown away by how hard they work. They took our advice � and that�s hard for some kids � and they worked so hard. I�m very proud of what the kids have done.�
Up until two years ago, Panhandle Productions (Big Valley producers) simply hosted a youth showcase.
Producer Larry Werner has always been a strong advocate of supporting youth talent. In trying to creatively manage the budget, the showcase was changed to a competition with hopes of attracting fresh sponsorship.
Last year Big Valley received rave reviews for the shift. Even before the 2013 competition was over, ATB Financial had signed up as a sponsor, said MacPherson.
Unlike the strictly country adult stages, the ATB youth stage is much more eclectic, offering a mix, from musical theatre to original roots ballads to pop to country.
In addition to performing on the main stage, the winner receives a $3,500 full production sound recording from Hands Up Music, a trophy and $100 sponsored by ATB Financial and an Alberta Country Music Association membership.
ATB has also offered to open a $25 account for all finalists.
�It�s the best entertainment on the grounds. It�s so endearing to sit and watch the budding talent we have in our backyard. You can see them fulfill their dream, even at this young age.�


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The goal of this project is to determine the general consensus on Pacers Digest of who the best players are at each position in the NBA: Center, Power Forward, Small Forward, Shooting Guard, and Point Guard.
However, do not worry about the positions. I have tried to put everyone at their proper position, but what I am trying to do here is vote for the best overall player, at the position I happened to put them. The objective of each poll is to determine the best player listed, not the best pure positional player.
This thread is to vote for the best remaining power forward in the NBA. You have 24 hours from the time this thread is posted to vote!
Once each position has 30 players ranked, the project will end, and a final tally will be posted in a new thread.
The top power forwards so far, as voted by Pacers Digest members, are:
#1 Tim Duncan
#2 Kevin Garnett
#3 Dirk Nowitzki
#4 Elton Brand
#5 Jermaine O'Neal
#6 Chris Bosh
#7 Rasheed Wallace
#8 Pau Gasol
#9 Antawn Jamison
#10 Al Harrington
#11 Boris Diaw
#12 Chris Webber
#13 Emeka Okafor
#14 Zach Randolph
#15 Mehmet Okur
#16 Kenyon Martin
#17 David West
#18 Charlie Villanueva
#19 Carlos Boozer
#20 Shareef Abdur-Rahim
#21 Troy Murphy
#22 Drew Gooden
#23 Udonis Haslem
#24 Antonio McDyess
#25 Antoine Walker
#26 Al Jefferson
Today's nominees* for best power forward remaining are:
Kwame Brown
Austin Croshere
Channing Frye
Robert Horry
Juwan Howard
Donyell Marshall
Vladimir Radmanovic
Cliff Robinson
Kenny Thomas
Tim Thomas
Chris Wilcox
* I can't please everyone with the position I put certain guys, so the way I see it is this:
If I've made such a colossal mistake, it can easily be corrected by you, the voter. How? I will always have "Other" as an option. All you have to do is vote for it, and state for the record in a reply which player you thought deserved the vote. If the majority of people do this, then that player will still win this poll. It just takes a little more effort then two clicks of the mouse. But if you're too lazy to do that, then you have no right to whine about it later.


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COUNTY bosses have spoken of their relief after the NHS rejected a new funding formula that would have seen Lancashire lose about £30m per year.
Following pressure from local authorities in the north of England, including Lancashire County Council, NHS England agreed to include a deprivation measure specifically aimed at tackling health inequalities.
The agreement will remain until 2016, with all CCGs given at least a 2.14per cent increase in funding in 2014/15 and 1.7per cent the following year.
It followed a review into funding allocations for clinical commissioning groups (CCGs), which was aimed at shifting cash to underfunded areas in the Midlands and east of England, many of which have fast-growing populations.
Dozens of CCGs will remain underfunded, according to a 'per head' calculation, with NHS chiefs now taking a more cautious approach to shifting resources from the north of England, which benefits most under the current arrangement.
Steve Holgate, chairman of Lancashire's Health Scrutiny Committee, said: "The proposals could not only have cost our county nearly £30million, but we would have seen funding drained from the poorest and most vulnerable areas.
"I am pleased to see that our representations to the public health minister, and our visits to parliament on behalf of residents in Lancashire, have gone some way to helping convince bosses at NHS England that they cannot ignore deprivation when deciding on funding for vital health services in our communities."
Paul Baumann, chief financial officer for NHS England, said: "Some areas have not had the funding per head that they need, particularly where population has grown quickly and funding has remained relatively static. These areas are now at risk of not being able to provide the services needed by their population, so we need to tackle these differences in funding as a matter of urgency."


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GuniGuGu - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkAwesome review; Between this and the Razer Blade... only last portable gaming laptop to cover is the Clevo w230st :) Any plans jarred? Reply
GuniGuGu - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkAlso a big point of discussion for the Clevo w230st are the CPU options.. 4700, 4702, 4800 & 4900... It seems most on the forum are recommending the 4800.. but reading this it sounds like even the 4702 can get quite toasty.... Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkI think we'll be getting one in at some point in the next couple of weeks -- I'm heading out on vacation, so if Dustin doesn't get one before I return I'm sure I can find one. :-) Reply
GuniGuGu - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - linkDamn, not sure I can wait that long before ordering it... Oh well, would love to see it run through the paces of an in-depth review all the same. Tossing up on the CPU's, the lower TDP of the 4702 is tempting over faster clocks. Reply
realjetavenger - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkActually, I'd also like to see the Alienware 14. This is a direct competitor to the Razer with what should be a much better lcd panel. Reply
mountcarlmore - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkThe Alienware is more than twice as thick and weighs over 6 pounds, its in a total different class from these latpops... Reply
noeldillabough - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkTrue, but its in still in the running, I'd pick a thicker machine if it was noticeably faster. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkI don't expect it to be much faster at all -- we're still looking at i7-4700MQ with GTX 765M. With that CPU and GPU and a 256GB mSATA SSD + 750GB HDD, the cost is $1800. You also get a 1080p LCD. The display is really going to be the reason to go with the Alienware 14 I think, and to get that you'll have a heavier laptop that's twice as thick. On the other hand, I expect it will run cooler and quieter thanks to the size, but over six pounds means you can readily compare the AW14 to 15.6" options out there.
The Clevo W350ST is a 15.6" laptop with similar dimensions to the AW14, and with similar components it can be had for around $1500. Not that I expect the Clevo W350ST to be built better than the AW14, but the dimensions are 14.72" x 9.84" x 0.64"~1.68" and it weighs 5.95 pounds where the 14" AW measures 13.31" x 10.17" x 1.58"~1.64" and weighs 6.12 lbs. So the Clevo is wider but not as deep and has more of a wedge shape, and it weighs a bit less.
Anyway, we're definitely going to see about reviewing the Alienware 14 and 17 as soon as we can. Reply
hfm - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - linkFrom all the reviews and user commentary I've read, the Alienware 14 is definitely not exactly "cool and quiet" some users have complained about how loud it is. Also, be prepared for the Alienware 14 to play games at lower frame rates than the Razer due to 33% more pixels at native resolution. Reply
Bob Todd - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - link"Cool and quiet" with these kinds of specs in a reasonably portable machine doesn't really seem possible with the current crop of CPUs/GPUs. Do you want quiet or do you want adequate cooling? I'm not really comfortable at all with a brand new machine hitting 98 degrees Celsius under load, or even the 93 degrees the Blade hit. I'll deal with a louder fan if it means I don't have to worry as much about throttling (or heat induced crashes). Especially on a gaming focused machine where I'd have the sound cranked up a bit or headphones in while using it the way it was intended. Reply
n13L5 - Thursday, July 25, 2013 - linkI found out that you could install a replacement display meant for the Thinkpad X1 Carbon into Razer's Blade 14...
Presumably, this would void your warranty, but at least you'd have a decent display. Reply
jtciti - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - linkThe gigabyte p34g is one that has slipped past a lot of radars. It packs a GTX 760m and is much lighter than the razer or the ge40, however expect a TN screen again
the p35K has an IPS screen and a 765m, but it is a full 15 inches. (still light at under 5 lbs).
My only hope is the new retina macbook pro has a 760m or 765m Reply
Zeratul56 - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - linkThe current retina gets quite warm. I used one to play starcraft and its keyboard it unusable due to how hot it gets under load. The design is beautiful but it does not displace heat well at all. If you intend to game I don't think the retina is the way to go. Reply
n13L5 - Thursday, July 25, 2013 - linkWhy can MSI not hire a professional product designer?
They crank out one embarrassingly awful looking notebook after another... Reply
n13L5 - Thursday, July 25, 2013 - linkJeez, high gloss black went out of fashion years ago...
Hello MSI! What rock have your "designers" been hiding under?
Well, we know you didn't hire any actual designers, you're just letting the mail boy make some sketches. Reply
MarcVenice - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkIt totaly baffles me not only that they include such a crappy screen (1080p-panels can be had for like $50, should be even less if you buy thousands of them), but also the glossy plastic exterior. MSI has been doing this for such a long time, you'd think they would understand that this doesn't appeal to the European- or US-market as much as it does to the Asian-market. The only thing they really get right, is the price. Although for me this still has to many downsides. At least the CPU+GPU is a better pairing then their GX60, where the AMD-cpu halfs the gpu-performance because it's so slow. Reply
piroroadkill - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - link1600x900 is fairly appropriate for a gaming laptop at this size.
It means you're not pushing the GPU as much to get native res. Reply
hfm - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - linkNot to mention 900p is also a good fit for the GPU.. 1080p is just too much for a 765M if your top priority is gaming and everything else is secondary. Reply
piroroadkill - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkAh, unless you refer to the quality of the screen, which, as I read later, turns out out to be crap.
1080p is no fix. There are plenty of crap 1080p panels too. Reply
silverblue - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkThere still needs to be a more detailed look into the GX60, because the new model barely outpaces the old one, and that had more issues than simply the CPU. It could be an Enduro thing. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkTrinity/Richland simply aren't that powerful. Enduro might be part of the problem, but we can't test the notebook wit Enduro disabled. We're working to get a desktop simulation of the system going, but I don't have the necessary parts so it has to be someone else. I think Ian (over in the UK) may be doing this at some point in the next month or so. Reply
silverblue - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - linkThat's very much appreciated, thank you. Granted, no APU is fast in the grand scheme of things, but it'd be nice to pinpoint how much damage Enduro does to performance.
It's very warm here at the moment so Ian can take his time. ;) Reply
max1001 - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkI think IPS 900p is what people would prefer. At least offer it as an upgrade option and charge extra $100. It's a win-win for both side. Reply
lanestew - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkYet another disappointing display. Are there any notebooks on the horizon that have a good panel? Reply
ijozic - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkIt seems that the 14" size is still not that common and all available panels are older mediocre TN-film ones with HD+ resolution. But, as Lenovo Carbon X1 shows, at least it can have a decent brightness output. Reply
nicolaim - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkThe Lenovo T440s (likely out in August) will have 14" 1600x900 IPS and 1920x1080 IPS LCDs. Reply
r3loaded - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - link"the LCD is junk" - once again, I lose my appetite for reading a laptop review. Single stream 802.11n is also lame in a $1400 laptop. Reply
Jon Tseng - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkWhile your tests are normally quite comprehensive, one thing I don't understand is why you don't have a battery gaming test? (ditto for the Blade 14 review) After all this is a gaming laptop. A likely use case is to use it for, er, gaming on a long plane or train ride...
Suspect the gaming loads are going to be signifiantly different from your Heavy test with full GPU usage. To me whether I'm going to get 1 hour or 2.5 hours of Skyrim has a significant impact on my purchase decision. I suspect others will be likewise. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkIf you want decent gaming performance while on battery power, I don't know of any specific laptop off hand that will get more than an hour or so. Consider: the CPU has a 37W TDP, and under gaming loads it will at least get pretty close to that number. The GPU meanwhile also has a TDP in the realm of 35-40W. Add in the display, HDD/SSD, motherboard, chipset, etc. and under a gaming load (without throttling the GPU way down to, say, 1/3 the normal performance), you're looking at 80-100W of power use. Result: less than one hour of gaming.
I'll go ahead and run a gaming workload tonight -- I'll probably just load Skyrim and sit in Whiterun and let time pass. My guess is at 200 nits (80%) with the GPU set to "Prefer maximum performance" ("adaptive" in the NVIDIA control panel will lower clocks on battery power), we'll be lucky to break an hour. Stay tuned.... Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkOkay, so that didn't take long to see what happens in terms of performance. Plugged in, Skyrim is running at around 67FPS in Whiterun, at the "High" preset with 0xAA and at 1600x900. Unplug it, and even with the GPU set to "Prefer Maximum Performance" it drops down to 30FPS. Looks like NVIDIA is detecting battery power and shooting for 30FPS, and anything more than that is unnecessary. It's not actually a bad way of doing things, but don't expect the same performance on battery as what you get plugged in.
Specifically: plugged in, the GTX 760M is running at 718.5MHz/4008MHz GPU/RAM, at 0.893V. The GPU load is 90-97% at these settings. Unplug the laptop and the clocks drop to 627.1/4008MHz, but more importantly the GPU load is at 40-50% and FRAPS is reporting a steady frame rate of 31FPS. Reply
hfm - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - linkAlso, the Razer 14 DOES NOT throttle on battery. You can get around 1.5-2 hours of gaming on the Razer 14 from what i've heard. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, July 18, 2013 - linkI would be very surprised if the Razer doesn't do something similar to the GE40 on battery power. It's basically the GPU not running at full speed because it doesn't need to in order to hit 30FPS -- so in games like Metro, it will actually run at full speed but in others it won't. Anyway, I did't test the Razer so I can't say for certain, but I've yet to see a GTX notebook that doesn't adjust the GPU clocks/performance down on battery power. Reply
Jon Tseng - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkCheers for the response - much appreciated. Sorry for sounding a bit grumpy earlier!
The reason I ask is I've been getting wildly different estimates of gaming battery life for the Razor 14 all over the web - some websites say 1 hour, some websites say 2-3. It would be good to have some definitely numbers.
I don't think gaming battery life is /always/ that bad. I can get 2-ish hours gaming on my m11x on battery power. Definitely for classic "gaming laptop luggages" where the battery is effectively a 2 kilo UPS system you're lucky to get beyond 45 mins, but for smaller form factor gaming laptops I think you can do better than that.
1 hour isn't really sufficient because as soon as you boot up you have a lurking paranoia about the batt meter going down. 1.5+ is where you can have a proper "session" between destinations... Reply
noeldillabough - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkI can play casual games (think world of warcraft, portal etc) on my X230 for about 2.5h. I'm expecting the haswell version to do slightly better. Note its on a low res screen, hopefully these are a dying breed but every laptop seems to continue to come out with them. Higher res screen is going to use more GPU and battery so it might be a wash. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkThat was sort of the point I was trying to make: if you have more than just a CPU with iGPU (or an APU in the AMD world), you can't get reasonable gaming performance and great battery life. Games will max out the TDP of both the CPU and GPU, generally speaking -- though it's possible to throttle the GPUs to help reduce the load, which both AMD and NVIDIA do by default. If you have a 70Wh battery and a CPU/APU that has a 17W-35W TDP, though, you can get 2+ hours. You just won't be running at high detail and 1600x900. Reply
adityarjun - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkJarred, please do a review of the Alienware 14 and 17. I think they have started to offer some decent IPS screens with matte options and I would love to read Anandtech's take on these laptops before making a purchase. Reply
realjetavenger - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - link+1. Would love to see how the Alienware 14 stacks up against the Razer 14 and this ge40. Reply
hfm - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - linkHere's how it stacks up to the Razer 14.
1. 768p panel is too far the other direction and it's not high quality, but performance at that res is great.
2. 1080p panel will be slower than the Razer 14. If you ask me 1080p for gaming on a 765M is not going to give much longevity. The panel itself is above average so if you are planning on doing work on it and gaming is secondary it's probably a better overall option.
3. I've read the Alienware 14 is hot and loud. Razer 14 is hot, but not that loud.
4. Alienware 14 is much bigger and 2 lbs heavier.
5. Alienware 14 can be cheaper or about the same price as the razer depending on config. The razer is only configurable storage size.
I don't think it's fair to include the ge40 in that discussion as it's outclassed by both of them from a gaming standpoint. Reply
wrkingclass_hero - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkTypo on closing thoughts page:
MSI tries to pick up the fumble with their GE40, but unfortunately there display happens to be even worse than the Razer Blade 14 panel!
"there" should be their Reply
Darkstone - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkI think anandtech needs to give more information about the cooling in notebooks reviews.
For starters, only the temperatures are reported. But i think the temperatures are actually largely irrelevant. It doesn't matter to me if the CPU is hitting 70° or 95° as long it does not throttle down.
I usually load up prime95 and take a close look at the 'package power' meter in HWinfo. If it ever drops below the TDP, the cooling will get in trouble when running basic CPU-only simulations.
Stressing the GPU in a controlled enthronement is a bit harder to do. I like RTHDBIBL, but the scene complexity is a bit low for modern GPU's. Maybe try one of unigine's older tests. Im not sure if they support benchmark looping.
If it can't run prime95 and a GPU stress test at the same time without throtteling on the CPU part, it's probably not up to the task of playing games all day long. That's valuable information, much more valuable than the temperature of the CPU. The GE40 reaches 98° unload load. But at what clock speed is it running? 800 Mhz? 2.x Mhz? Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkI would have reported throttling had it been evident. The CPU speed is dropping down from max turbo, but it's staying in the rated 2.2-3.2GHz throughout all the testing that I logged. In fact, for Metro Last Light, out of 500 data points over 1000 seconds, there was only one instance of 2.3GHz; everywhere else the CPU close were at least 2.4GHz and the average was 2.8GHz. I won't go so far as to say that the GE40 will never throttle while gaming, but it's definitely doing better than the Dell XPS 15 or Samsung Series 7 managed to do under similar testing. Reply
kogunniyi - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkWill Anandtech review the Alienware 14 (and 17)? Reply
ufranco - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkJust a side note , sorry to be off topic, wondering if you would be kind enough to do a review of windows 8.1 on a high dpi monitor to check how windows reacts. Reply
adityarjun - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkI too would like to read about this. A para is written here http://www.anandtech.com/show/7145/asus-pq321q-fir... I am sure more will be said in the final review. Reply
adityarjun - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkJust in case you do review the Alienware 17, please do note that it does throttle above 77C. The same goes for my current m17xr3. Despite reading almost every review on the net, i found out about this only after buying it. None of the reviews mentioned this.
And this is not a throttle that can be ignored by someone like me from India where the ambient temperatures are quite high. I regularly hit 77C and it is a huge pain.
So in your reviews please mention this.
Also it would be great if in your gaming laptop reviews you would mention the gpu temperatures for different ambient temperatures (like doing the tests with AC on and then off).
And, as always, keep up the excellent reviews :) Reply
kogunniyi - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkYou can fix the throttling by flashing a vBIOS or changing the temperature limit in Nvidia Inspector. Besides, the 780m should not reach 77C in the 17 after a good application of thermal paste. Reply
adityarjun - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkNo you cant.. Flashing vbios allows over volting. The 77C throttle remains.
A repaste is not enough. My room temps are in the 35C range. Reply
noeldillabough - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkEek, I cry when the room goes over 23C Reply
adityarjun - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkHaha.. Visit India during summers :) Reply
DanNeely - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkNot going to happen unless I was only in the lowlands for long enough to board a second plane or a train heading for the mountains. Enough elevation can fix sub-tropical heat. :D Reply
cooliend - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkWhat about the Gigabyte P34G, which is expected to be released in August / September, and may start as low as $999?
Yes, it's one-to-two months away, but it pairs a 4700HQ with a 760M, in the same sub-1" thick package... with a 1080p display. Of course, it also shares the same, anemic 11.1v battery size... Reply
superjim - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkAccording to this youtube video the P34G will be 1080p non-IPS but the 15" P35 will be 1080p IPS (765MX). Either way, a 760M pushing native 1080p isn't going to fare well in most modern games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwQ-mHueK9U Reply
cooliend - Saturday, July 20, 2013 - linkAgreed that 1080p is unlikely to be usable in newer games, but it should be usable for other tasks (older games, video, etc.) and it's always good to have options, especially cheaper ones!
From the very limited youtube video hands-on looks at it, the screen is supposed to be fairly decent; hopefully it'll be better than those on the GE40 & Razer Blade.
IPS is nice, but only really addresses viewing angle washout and not a must-have for me. Image quality would be more important, and non-IPS can equal or better IPS panels in image quality - look at the Sony Z for great non-IPS displays (the Sony S13 screens however...). Reply
mutumutu - Sunday, August 11, 2013 - linkAccording to Gigabyte site, P34G will have 14" FHD AHVA display, which is sort-of-IPS from AUO. Notebookcheck tested Clevo W740SU also with 14" FHD AHVA and it had excellent viewing angles and color reproduction although brightness and contrast were only decent. Reply
Bob Todd - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkThanks, hadn't seen that one yet. With what's currently possible in hardware, these are getting closer to an ideal machine for me (until integrated graphics can do 900p+ gaming @ high settings). I _really_ like the understated design of that one. I'm not saying it's beautiful, but compared to most gaming laptops it looks worlds better. Hopefully the non-IPS panel is of decent quality. Too bad about the tiny 47Wh battery though, that will be a deal breaker. Take the same design, throw in a high quality 3200x1800 panel (game at 1600x900), drop the vga for mini-DP, and put in a ~80Wh battery and I'm sold. I think we'll see something like that soon. At least I hope we will. Reply
Bob Todd - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkOh, and I don't mean to suggest they'd need to offer that for the same theoretical $999. The $1500+ range is fine. Reply
Krafty1 - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkOnce again...no Thunderbolt. These machines would make great travel video editing machines...if they would include some way to actually stream video into them. (You can convert Firewire to Thunderbolt)
Better LCD, include Thunderbolt... I'll be ready to buy. Reply
Freakie - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkStreaming video from what? Many cameras just use USB for streaming because even USB 2.0 can handle most streams. Some older cameras do have firewire, it's true, but it can be kind of niche. But if you're oversaturating a USB stream then the camera usually comes with an Ethernet port anyways and the only time that happens really is if you're shooting 4k uncompressed. Kind of sounds like your gripe is more you just wanting something more than needing it? Reply
airmantharp - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkThunderbolt is for the storage array that you can't fit in the laptop :). Reply
cooliend - Saturday, July 20, 2013 - linkBetter Thunderbolt (and Thunderbolt 2) usage is be external GPU's. Imagine these thin-and-lights sporting a decent 760m, so you can carry it around and game as you want (while plugged in), but then bumping it up to SLI 780s once you get home? Gigabyte's got Thunderbolt on the P35K, but unfortunately not the P34G...
They just need to fix the inability of eGPU's to output to the laptop screen... though, then again, if you have a eGPU setup, you'd likely have a 21"+ monitor too. Reply
hfm - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - linkUSB 3.0 is going to supplant thunderbolt. Reply
silenceisgolden - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkCan the next laptop review that has a terrible display just have one sentence in it? "This LCD is junk" Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkNope. Reply
noeldillabough - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkCareful when upgrading radios, it seems they're all putting whitelists pointing to new parts they sell...I have a 3G radio in my X220 which works great, popped it into the X230 I *had* to upgrade to (call me weak) and sure enough it wouldn't boot up. The "old" card wouldn't work. So I had to pony up 125 bucks for the "new" card...which is the exact same speed lol. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkThe bigger OEMs (Acer/Gateway, Dell, Sony, HP, Lenovo) all definitely have whitelisting in the BIOS and it's difficult to upgrade the WiFi. I know you can often cover one of the pins on the adapter so that the card will always be on (I've done this on an Acer in the past), but that's not a perfect solution either. The whitebook laptops (like MSI, ASUS, Clevo) in my experience are less likely to lock out other WiFi adapters, but short of trying it out (or Googling), I don't know if they'll actually work as well. Hence why I say, "You could try to upgrade WiFi as well—I don't know if there's any device whitelisting in the BIOS by MSI; hopefully not, as slapping in a better 802.11ac WiFi adapter would be a handy upgrade." Reply
max1001 - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkSomeone need to start making IPS panel for this and Razer and sell it for $150. Reply
toyotabedzrock - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkI have never heard of device whitelisting for a pciexpress port, who does that?
Has anyone ever fitted a high resolution display from another model. They used to use the same connectors but I haven't opened up a recent model. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkThe biggest issue with LCDs is that many of the lower end laptops ship with single-link LVDS conncetors that basically max out at 1366x768 -- they don't have the wires in half of the cable to transmit data. If you have a dual-link LVDS cable, you can pretty much use anything up to WUXGA resolution in theory, but again there are other aspects to consider.
One potential problem is with the whitelisting you mention. It's there on WiFi in theory to keep people from using unauthorized hardware -- FCC requires certification for any wireless devices. Well, there's also stuff in the firmware sometimes for LCDs. I had a Dell XPS 15z a while back where the LCD cracked. I got a replacement and while it would connect and power up fine, it never displayed content properly -- it was all garbled. The company that sold the LCD panel had me ship the original cracked panel back to them and they were able to copy over the firmware or something for the display so that the laptop would recognize it and work. Welcome to the proprietary world of laptop displays and wireless networking. Ugh. Reply
Zap - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkCan't even upgrade RAM without voiding warranty?
Lame! Reply
DanNeely - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - linkAs of a few years ago (early netbook era); even in the US those stickers weren't legally enforceable. Reply
alex_l17 - Thursday, July 18, 2013 - linkactually... if you are just doing some upgrade of the RAM, MSI will still honor the warranty.. i had experience of that before. I called and spoke to the tech support, and they replied saying the RAM upgrade doesn't void warranty. Reply
xenol - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkWhat's starting to annoy me is still, a lot of these laptops that aren't ultrabooks and whatnot, come with a VGA port. I mean, sure, a lot of external displays can take it, but it just feels very out of place. Throw in a Mini-DP and another USB port! Reply
airmantharp - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkProjectors. It's sad, but it's a real limitation everywhere. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkYup. There are a ton of projectors out there that pre-date HDMI and DP. It would definitely be nice to be able to run three digital displays off of a laptop, but most companies are so busy cutting corners that it's not even a minor consideration.
Engineering: "For $5 extra, we can add two more digital video ouputs."
Management: "What!? Forget that -- we can save $0.05 by using 100Mbit Ethernet instead of Gigabit Ethernet. That's what we need to do! And while we're at it, find a cheaper LCD -- there's no sense spending $75 for a display that most people won't notice! All they care about are mega-whatevers and giga-things, and we need to give them lots of those. Screw abstract ideas like build quality and color accuracy...." Reply
Bob Todd - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - linkHahaha...you brought up one of the things that drives me bonkers. There's no excuse for 100Mbit Ethernet STILL showing up in so many laptops. The BOM difference has to be almost non-existent these days, and yet we still see machines north of $500 only offering 100Mbit. I've seen so many machines in the past year that look kind of interesting as low cost general compute devices, then I scroll down and see "Fast Ethernet". It's like a cruel joke. Reply
Lacrimosa - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - linkWe have exactly opposing sources for annoyance :-) I am looking for these kinds of machines because I want something that I can take with me on business trips: powerful enough to game on when in hotels on evenings and good for doing my work when on client premises. I need to hold a lot of presentations so connectivity to projectors and external screens is important. Some of my collegues use these dongles to connect HDMI or some other port to those VGAs that are everywhere, but often those dongles are lost, or broken, or twist so that suddenly picture disappears... not good. I have had to pass on quite a few machines because they do not have VGA port anymore (for example that Razer Blade does not have one). Reply
yhselp - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkAlright, great review in general - helpful, objective and well-written and I really mean all that. Thank you for that.
However, every once in a while I come across a comment or conclusion in one of the articles I read which makes me go - whaaat?! Why did they (this is not aimed directly at Mr. Walton) write this...
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but how can you say "The truth is, we're probably still a couple years away from seeing this level of performance in a laptop this size that runs cool and quiet;" when such a laptop exists today, not to mention your colleague review it and reached the opposite conclusion.
Not to mention the following statement or, more importantly, what it implies - "... physics can be such a drag,", yes, indeed physics not only can, but always is a drag. Why would you, however, have your audience believe that laptops such as the Razer Blade 14 and the MSI GE40 are the best thing for thermal design since heatsinks? Yes, the Razer is very well-engineered (the MSI is just bold and reckless) but neither of which pushed the envelope to the limit. I'm not trying to play wannabe thermal engineering here but if we have to talk about the facts of physics better thermal solutions for thin laptops can be designed right now, not a couple of years from now. Yes, it's easier to cool more efficient and thus cooler parts but thermal design isn't stuck, we're far from greatest in this field. The fact that it hasn't been done so far doesn't mean it's impossible. I suspect it's a matter of unwillingness/cost rather than a physics barrier. Designs such as the rMBP 15 and the Blade 14 are but a glimpse into what can be done with custom cooling solutions.
I'm sorry for this rant, but it's really unpleasant to read such a conclusion to an otherwise excellent review. I hope that at least a few people agree. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - linkWhich laptop have we reviewed that's thin, light, and powerful without running either hot and/or loud? The Razer Blade 14 hits 93C under stress testing, just slightly lower than the GE40. It could cool more with higher fan speeds, but I consider "cool and quiet" to be more like 70-80C max on the CPU and GPU with fan noise well under 40dB. We are nowhere near that level right now.
The rMBP 15 is larger and while it doesn't get quite as hot, it's not exactly cool under a full load. More importantly, it's slower on the GPU than either of these laptops by a sizable gap. GT 650M is half the cores of the GTX 760M/765M -- it's not a bad GPU, but it will struggle quite a bit with higher detail gaming. I'm not trying to say any of the current designs are bad for trying, but if you want something that's as fast as the GE40 in a similar size chassis, and you don't want it to run loud or hot? It's just not going to happen right now. You either need to be thicker/larger to get more cooling, or you are going to make some noise to cope with the heat, or you're going to get hot. We've seen different laptops balance those factors to varying degrees, but really we will likely need one or two more generations of iGPU upgrades and at least one more process shrink to get to the point where we can have a combined 35W TDP for the CPU and GPU with the performance of the GTX 760M.
The Crystalwell parts from Intel offer a bit less performance than GT 650M. Maybe Broadwell can get us there, but more likely it will be Skylake -- and when Skylake arrives, we will want twice the performance of it's iGPU, just like today, in order to run all the games at acceptable levels with moderate-to-high detail settings. Reply
yhselp - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - linkThank you for responding; you should know it was not my intention to be offensive. I agree with the vast majority of what you say, and I also like how you speak your mind freely and tackle different issues - $5 extra for video outputs vs. $0.05 less for Ethernet – so true. I'm not trying to question your knowledge, on the contrary – I take your professionalism for a given. It's more of an issue of presentation and possible misinformation. Which, as I'm sure you'll agree, is not the intended effect. It'd be unfortunate if I'm being perceived as some sort of crazy internet troll, I'm just trying to give feedback here.
The thing is that your conclusion might be read and understood as 'if you want a thin & light gaming laptop the MSI GE40 compromise is your best bet for now and that's because it's physically impossible to do better'. None of which is actually true (again we might be arguing linguistics here); and I'm not acting crazy, I've had 4 people, with and without technical knowledge, read the last page of your review and they all agree that's a very likely interpretation.
Yes, Blade 14's CPU goes into the lower 90s and while that's hot, it's not out of spec. In my opinion, there are more important factors to consider. Your colleague concluded that Blade 14's cooling solution is quite adequate and capable of handling the heat. He also noted there's room for improvement which is absolutely true. It's not just a matter of raw numbers, for example, both Blade 14 and GE40 hit the 90s, however the former has a far superior cooling solution and shouldn't have problems in the long run.
If a certain temperature doesn't cause throttling and is safe to run at for years, and provided the surface of the product it's in doesn't get hot to the touch, what is the problem? No, it isn't optimal, it isn't perfect but it gets the job done; let's say it's 'consumer-ready'. I'm not saying we should be content with running microprocessors at 90+C, but I also don't think we should accept huge "laptops" *cough*Alienware*cough* and wait for integrated solutions to get better for 'thin & light performance'. Besides, as you said, by the time iGPUs get at this level of performance it wouldn't be sufficient anymore.
I also cannot accept what you seem to continually suggest – that we cannot get better cooling in the same form-factor. Getting thicker is the crudest way to better cooling performance and not the only solution. We can use denser and wider (not taller) heatsinks, bigger and more efficient fans, better materials throughout, etc. Those things would take up more space, but space management is not optimal nowadays either. We could go even further into more exotic solutions and by exotic I don't mean crazy expensive. There's a whole world of possibilities out there but it takes time, money and innovative engineers.
Yes, you're correct, we probably won't get better products right now but not because of physics.
I apologize if I've been a little too harsh in my quickly-written first post. I sincerely hope to get another response from you. Thank you for your time. Reply
JarredWalton - Thursday, July 18, 2013 - linkI figure when Razer and Apple have products at $2000 and can't get cooling to the point where we think it's working ideally, it probably won't happen right now. There's definitely a balancing act and space management could be improved, but there are tradeoffs with changing the way space is used as well. Go with mSATA or M.2 SSDs for instance and you drastically limit what options are available. Better fans and heatsinks are certainly a possibility, which is something I hope a revised GE40 would look into, but that's probably a 5C or maybe 10C difference at best.
Anyway, I've tweaked the conclusion a bit to make it clear where I think the GE40 stands. Razer is a bit cooler, quieter, faster...and a lot more expensive. Both need better displays. GE40 also needs improved industrial design IMO. Long-term, the Razer is less likely to have problems I think, but what I've learned over the years is that "long-term" is very hard to judge. Fans can fail on expensive as well as cheap laptops, and while I'd hope the fans used in more expensive laptops would last longer... well, I wouldn't make a bet on that! (I have had plenty of $400-$500 GPUs that had fans wear out after a year or two.)
So which laptop is truly "better" out of the Blade 14 and GE40? Probably the Blade, but roughly $700 extra to get there makes it pretty much a wash in my book. If the Blade had an IPS panel, then it would be just about perfect -- expensive, yes, but with no huge flaws. The GE40 needs far more work before it could get the same sort of recommendation. Reply
yhselp - Friday, July 19, 2013 - linkThe revised conclusion looks great, the amount of detail you go into and the way you've put it all is very neat and clear. And yes, I absolutely agree with you -- the GE40 need a major cosmetic overhaul, the Blade is too expensive in general and the lack of a proper LCD in such a product is just outrageous. I genuinely wonder what happened, perhaps they were way into developing a 14.0" chassis and when they realized they couldn't source a good screen of the same size it was already too late to go back to the drawing board?! Then again, their standard-sized 17.3" model lacks an IPS screen too. Anyway, I never argued these points, it seems as though this has turned into a GE40 vs. Blade along with Apple thrown into the mix sort of thing and that was not my intention.
"Long-term" is a very elusive notion indeed. Hardware can always fail, but having a solid design and build quality goes a long way towards reducing the odds of failure, enables the use of more powerful components (at a certain cost, yes) and helps maintain optimal functionality throughout the lifetime of the product. Yes, fans are finned plasticy spinny little devils which can and do fail -- what can a man do... I know this reads like a bunch of marketing nonsense, but I really believe in those design ideals.
Razer and Apple sell $2000+ laptops, they also pocket significant margins (Apple for sure) so their main priority probably isn't optimal cooling, but one that just gets the job done; that seems to be the unfortunately reality of today. Despite this they are one of the few companies making advances in "slim-chassis cooling solutions". I only quoted the rMBP 15 since it was the first laptop to feature a 45W quad-core CPU in such a slim chassis. I wouldn't bet on Apple, however, to go any further than perfecting their current design as they probably won't need to cool a hotter CPU (or GPU for that matter) in the future.
Limited options and upgradability have become synonymous with truly optimized and thin designs. I am all for swappable memory and storage and I believe the industry can come up with a very slim, single-sided module which shouldn't have a negative impact on slim designs. In my eyes, mechanical storage is a no-go for such designs (even a 7mm 2.5" drive); even if there's enough space for it, it'd make more sense to put more battery instead. Nowadays, even mSATA looks big -- the smallest M.2 implementation looks better, especially for Raid 0 designs. Once you delve deeper even the keyboard becomes a problem, and you just can't ship a great keyboard without proper travel. All these cannot become standard soon enough.
I would like to thank you for listening to feedback and taking the time to revise the conclusion. I hope I haven't been too much of a nuisance. Have a great vacation :) Reply
kondor999 - Thursday, July 18, 2013 - linkExcellent article. I just ordered a Sager-branded W230ST (4700/765m) which is considerably thicker than the GE40 and supposedly has a good LCD. I'm hoping that the increased thickness will potentiate sufficient cooling and therefore help avoid both throttling and excessive temps in general. There are no reviews yet, so wish me luck. Reply
sotoa - Thursday, July 18, 2013 - linkNice article. I'm in the market for something this small and this was on my list (not anymore). LCD is junk? Classic!
Please review the Clevo W230ST and fast! Hopefully the screen is as promising as it sounds plus 765m can hopefully be decent on 1080p. Reply
yhselp - Thursday, July 18, 2013 - linkEven if W230ST's LCD is not as good, you can easily swap it with a 13.3" IPS 1600x900 screen from LG; this will also increase performance. You can't do this with the Razer Blade 14 or the MSI GE40 because of their unusual screen size -- there are currently no 14.0" IPS screens (900p or 1080p) on the market. Hope this helps. Reply
yhselp - Thursday, July 18, 2013 - linkI just saw that the W230ST is already available at Mythlogic and they list the screen as IPS. Their pricing tends to be among the best; customization options are plentiful too, e.g. you can get an 840 Pro mSATA drive.
Clevo's cooling is generally better than MSI's so if you have to order right now and you've been considering the GE40, it's a pretty safe bet to get the W230ST. Reply
ddonuts4 - Sunday, July 21, 2013 - linkJust a side note; the battery life of this laptop is so good because there is an extra battery in the optical drive slot. Although this is a welcome addition to a laptop, is shouldn't be overlooked. This laptop isn't much more efficient than any other, it just has a bigger battery. Reply
JarredWalton - Sunday, July 21, 2013 - linkSorry, but that's just not true. The optical slot is where the 750GB HDD is sitting. I took pictures of the internals (see the first gallery on the first page) and there's definitely no extra battery to be found. Reply
chancar09 - Sunday, August 11, 2013 - linkWhen I am playing a game, I am willing to tolerate the temperature and noise. But I don't want to have high temperature and noise when I am just accessing the internet, or editing a document. Is there any way I could set it to a low temp, or low noise in these case, or is it automatically running slow under these conditions so it will be cool and quiet? Reply
xKeL - Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - linkGreat review, one question though, I see that the keyboard has been removed in one of the pictures, how does one go about removing the keyboard? I need to replace mine due to water damage Reply
Darknessrise13 - Sunday, October 13, 2013 - linkCould you guys do a review of the refreshed model of this with the 1080p display? The GE40 2OC-245. I'm wondering if the display refresh helps with the cruddy contrast. Reply
Darknessrise13 - Sunday, October 13, 2013 - linkSorry for double post. Forgot to post a link. Link to MSI's site for it: http://www.msimobile.com/level3_productpage.aspx?c...
I just recently found that and have found nothing about it besides the XoticPC page and that. Thought I'd give you guys a heads up! Reply
Piuks - Wednesday, July 09, 2014 - linkHi Jarred, I just purchased an MSI GE40 850GTX with 4GB of Ram here in China. The Guy sent me an extra 4GB of Ram and told us we would have to install it. Can you post some more pictures on how you removed the back cover? I don't want to break anything doing this job.
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There are two images that stand out from Rivaldo's near quarter century as a professional footballer.
The first is the attacker upside-down in mid air -- executing a spectacular bicycle kick that completed his hat-trick in Barcelona's 3-2 win over Valencia on the final day of the 2000-01 season.
It was a treble that secured Champions League football for the Camp Nou outfit, and it capped off a remarkable campaign in which the then-29-year-old amassed 36 goals in all competitions.
The second, captured just over a year later, is Rivaldo clutching his face -- feigning injury during a World Cup group stage match and conning the referee into ejecting Turkish wingback Hakan Unsal, who had merely kicked the ball toward the Brazilian at the corner flag.
Still regarded as the most famous piece of play-acting in football history, it is this moment, this picture of Rivaldo, that still defines the man -- one of the sport's most thrilling performers -- as he enters a much-deserved retirement at the age of 41.
And that's a shame.
"It is arguable," wrote Rob Smyth in The Guardian back in 2008, "that if you took everyone playing at the absolute peak of their game, Rivaldo was the best and most unstoppable footballer since Maradona."
He certainly had the physical attributes of a rare superstar.
Tall, broad and bow-legged, his close control on the dribble was extraordinary, and his cultured left foot could deliver powerful drives, inch-perfect passes or delicate flicks and layoffs as the situation required.
And his bullish determination -- willpower mixed with fury -- made him more than a match for the vast majority of defenders he faced while at the height of his powers.
Indeed, at the turn of the century there was no better player in the world -- the 1999 Ballon d'Or merely underlining the obvious.
But even then, with the infamy Ulsan still three years off, Rivaldo was very much unloved.
Vilified in his home country for a misplaced pass that led to Brazil's elimination from the 1996 Olympic Games, he became the focal point of the public's frustration during the difficult 2002 World Cup qualification campaign, in which it was said his best performances were saved for Barcelona.
The abuse came to head in November 2000, when shouts of "Rivaldo -- you're useless!" rained down on him from the stands at the Morumbi.
"They booed me and treated me so badly that night," he later recalled. "I don't remember being so miserable at the end of a game."
Spurred on by the criticism, Rivaldo scored three goals in Brazil's remaining matches -- more than any of his teammates.
But even those displays -- nevermind an outstanding World Cup in which he tallied five times, put Belgium to the sword, equalized against England and helped his side to a 2-0 win over Germany in the final -- failed to earn him the plaudits reserved for Ronaldo, who was largely credited with Brazil's fifth championship.
Even the praise of manager Luiz Felipe Scolari, who heralded Rivaldo as "the best player in the World Cup," seemed to fall on deaf ears.
Sixteen months later Rivaldo played his final match for the national team, after which he went on a footballing roadshow that took him to Greece, Uzbekistan and Angola before a return to Brazil that included a stint with his son at boyhood club Mogi Mirim.
It was at Mogi in April 1993, on the day before he turned 21, that he had made headlines with a daring shot straight from kickoff that found the back of the net against Noroeste. A final, definitive image, and maybe the most appropriate.
Here was a player afraid of nothing -- at once audacious, inspired and creative; a player who simply loved playing, and who would do so until his peers had long since hung up their boots.
"Among trophies, medals, awards and titles," he stated upon retiring last weekend, "in a land where everything is consumed, here I leave a story."
Tragically, it's a story that has yet to be appreciated.
But somewhere down the road, at that place where retrospect becomes a gift, perhaps history will remember Rivaldo for what he truly was: One of the greatest players in football history.
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I'm content with 7.0.4
No need to update I am good
I was content w/ mine on 5.1.1 but didn't get 4g w/ my service. So upgraded iOS 7. My other iPhone had iOS 6 but kept shrinking Cydia cuz of a wrong tweak installed. Both running iOS 7 now w/ jb n working great so far. I'm happy
The paltry patch release features are not worth the loss of Firewall-IP, PMP, ScreenDimmer, Infini-anything, Intelli-anything, Nitrous and Controllers-for-all with the Sony Dualshock 3 (along with many other cool tweaks). Hey Apple, keep that jailbreak patching update and see you in September (iPhone 6 & iOS8).
I'm happy with 7.0.4 but scared if it ever gets ruined by a bad tweak and there is no way to restore without losing JB....
To be honest, I think if there was a way to install Cydia without rebooting or respringing, just having it install like a normal app, I think they might have a much better chance of having it accepted, if it just installed like a normal app does. I think that's one of the things that is holding back that submission and acceptance.
The Library of Congress included jailbreaking as an allowed exemption to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) as found in the United States Code of Federal Regulations, Title 37 Part 201.40, in 2010. Read the ruling here: U.S. Copyright Office - Statement of the Librarian of Congress Relating to Section 1201 Rulemakings
Its patched because its a exploit that can be hacked by others to steal your info. All software has exploits and the dev team may find one in 7.1 but it takes a lot of work now since Apple has improved and closed so many usable exploits
If your happy with JB 7.0.4 like many of us, I suggest installing noupdate in cydia, this will prevent OTA updating but not Itunes, that needs to be turned off for updates.


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HOUSTON - As the Republican Party looks to the future, one of its long-serving senators from Texas is looking forward to life outside of politics.
Texans first knew Kay Bailey Hutchison as a trailblazing Kay Bailey, hired at KPRC in the 1960s as its first female reporter.
Whether on TV or in politics, where she became the first female from Texas elected to the Senate, she broke barriers and paved the way for other women, most often doing it on her own terms.
She decided that three terms in the Senate was enough.
"I never intended to serve more than two terms. I think two terms is exactly the right amount," Hutchison said. "It was a series of circumstances that caused me to serve this third term and now I think it is time for somebody new to come in and have their voice heard."
Ted Cruz, the Republican winner of the primary, is a Tea Party favorite. If he wins her Senate seat, as expected, Cruz is on record as being unwilling to compromise with Senate Democrats. That's a far different philosophy than Hutchison, who cites Ronald Reagan's credo for how to make political progress.
"If you're moving in the right direction and getting part of your priority and then live to fight another day for the rest, it's better than blowing the place up and never getting anything you think is the right way," she said.
On one of her office walls are lighthearted reminders of a near lifetime of public service.
Hutchison grew up in La Marque and said the small-town environment prepared her for political success.
"I think being able to know the concerns that people have growing up from all different socioeconomic stations has allowed me to be able to relate to everybody in Texas," Hutchison explained.
She said the next senator to serve in Washington should make Texans his priority and not a national agenda.
"Sometimes I think people forget who sent them. While I think you can have a national impact, I think you've got to remember that if you don't represent Texas who will?" she said.
Hutchison said she leaves the Senate wishing she'd been able to fix Social Security, the deficit and pushed through better version of health care. But she said if Mitt Romney is elected president, he could get the nation back on track and that he will have her full support.
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What We're Reading & WatchingWednesday, September 22nd, 2010
We asked Ana Banu, a student who works in Bailey/Howe Library, to share some of her favorite books and movies from our collection and she delivered an eclectic mix of film, fashion, fiction, and art. Get them while they're hot!
Here are her recommendations:
Yves Saint Laurent by Jéromine Savignon and Bernard Blistène
YSL is a brilliant fashion designer, although I could just call him a brilliant artist, without any further ado. He is also an inspiring individual not only for people who are intrigued by fashion. This book talks about his life in almost an intimate manner and presents it from different points of view, including his and the peoples who he worked with. You get to learn about his ways and also see how a character can become lovable through his actions, creations and way of living, right in front of your eyes. YSL dedicated his life to making women, and later on men, feel comfortable, powerful and stylish.
Zen in the art of archery by Eugen Herrigel
This book is one the shortest books, yet helpful and insightful, I've ever read. It is about Zen and it is about Archery. It is also about how the two go together in creating an awareness of the moment that is beyond words. Things, in general and in particular, begin appearing a lot simpler and natural after taking in what Eugene Herrigel says. And the way he says is accessible enough to keep you going.
Camera lucida : reflections on photography by Roland Barthes
This is one other short(er) book, but so intense and powerful that every paragraph could be developed into pages. In Camera Lucida, Roland Barthes talks about his own system of viewing and interpreting photography, beauty, history. It is both playful and academic and it explains things that are not easily explained, like why we get emotionally involved when looking at a photograph.
L'ećume des jours (translation: Froth of the Daydream) by Boris Vian
L'ećume des jours is a novel for the French speakers, only because it is in French, not because the story wouldn't survive a broader audience. I, personally, read it in a different language and loved it. The images described in the book are so powerful and visual that they transcend language. Reading it in French might add some nuances to the strange and creative ways of telling Colin and Chloe's story.
Malcolm X – Directed by Spike Lee
Based on The autobiography of Malcolm X, Malcolm X is a movie directed by Spike Lee. It truly embodies both historical accuracies and the director's admiration for the person that Malcolm X was. The story is brought to life by Denzel Washington, Spike Lee's fetish actor, and probably the best choice for playing this character.
I postponed watching this movie, because it seemed to have that silly and distasteful air some movies have. But it is not distasteful, nor silly. It is the story of an old "Elvis", who may or may not be the Real Elvis, and a black old man (Ossie Davis) who thinks he is JFK, in fighting an Egyptian mummy trying to steal some souls. And as "Elvis" says: Ask not what your rest home can do for you. Ask what you can do for your rest home.


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Washington (CNSNews.com) – Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), a pro-life advocate in the Senate, said he doesn't "think we ought to take tax money from Americans to cover any health care" whether it involves abortion or not, and that the problem with the health care system is that the government is already too involved.
As currently written, the Senate health-care bill mandates that at least one health insurance plan available through the government exchange where people getting tax subsidies to buy health insurance will be required to buy insurance must provide abortion coverage.
CNSNews.com asked Coburn, who is also a physician: "Do you think it is morally right to take tax money from pro-life Americans and give it to health plans that cover abortion?"
Coburn said: "I don't think we ought to take tax money from Americans to cover any health care. So it doesn't matter whether it's about abortion or not. That's why we're in trouble. You know, 60 percent of the health care is run by the government. We have inflation twice what it used to be."
The Senate health care plan, the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act," would require that all Americans buy health insurance and that Americans earning up to 400 percent of the poverty level--which would be $88,200 for a family of four this year--will get federal subsidies to help them buy insurance.
As the bill is written, tax subsidies will go to insurance plans that cover elective abortions. The bill includes a section headlined "Assured Availability of Varied Coverage Through Exchanges." In this section, on p. 120 of the 2,074-page legislation, it requires the secretary of Health and Human Services to ensure that at least one health insurance plan offered in government-regulated insurance exchanges--where people will be able to purchase health insurance using government subsidies--must provide coverage of abortion.
The secretary also must make certain that at least one plan available in the exchanges does not cover abortions.
The relevant language says: "The Secretary shall assure that with respect to qualified health plans offered in any Exchange established pursuant to this title -- (I) there is at least one such plan that provides coverage of services described in clauses (i) and (ii) of subparagraph (B); and (II) there is at least one such plan that does not provide coverage of services described in subparagraph (B)(i)."
The clause "(i)" of "subparagraph (B)" referred to in this passage defines those types of abortions currently banned from receiving federal funding under the Hyde Amendment. The Hyde Amendment bans federal funding for all abortions except those done in cases of rape, incest and a threat to the life of the mother.
The language of the Senate's health care bill mandates that at least one health insurance plan available to people buying health insurance with federal subsidies cover those abortions that are currently prohibited from receiving federal funding under the Hyde Amendment.
On Tuesday, Dec. 8, the Senate voted 54-45 to table – to end consideration of and thus kill -- an amendment by Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) that would have essentially applied the Hyde Amendment language to the Senate health care bill. And, like the amendment by Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) in the House of Representatives, which passed in that chamber, Nelson's proposal would have explicitly prohibited any federal money from paying for any part of a health insurance plan that covers abortion.
Seven Democrats and 38 Republicans voted against tabling Nelson's amendment while 52 Democrats and two Republicans voted for tabling the amendment and thus ending it.
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I'm sorry for the title of the topic but I really didn't know how to summarize my problem in a single line
I'm building a website for a company with which the users are going to insert professional appointments. All the data about the appointments will be stored in a database table, so that the users can come back and look at all the information they have entered.
The managers of the company will also have to be able to look at all the information entered by the users, but not by all of them. This is a fast drawing that I've done to show you an example of the hierarchy of the company:
So, for example, User 3 will see data about User 1 and User 2, but not about User 5.
User 5 will see data about User 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10.
User 11 will see data about everyone.
I hope this is pretty clear, I wanted to ask you what's the best way to implement this into a database.
it's a classic hierarchical structure... this should help: http://articles.sitepoint.com/article/hierarchical-data-database
Very useful, thank you
My suggestion is to use the Nested Set Model.
Once you get your head around how the left and right values are used to store hierarchical information, life should become much easier - well it did for me at least.
if you need additional sql scripts to move nodes and all their children, I have posted some in this thread
More people will understand an adjacency list, thus it will be easier to maintain. Not to mention a single node out of place won't explode the entire thing and meaning can be made of it when browsing the table in SQL for DB admins. A nested set might as well be an alien language when looking at the SQL table. Nested sets are like glass imo – so long as you rarely touch them they are fine. However, one person slightly modifies the code due to some type of misunderstanding and boom goes the entire thing. If you are working with other people nested set will most likely result in more problems than it will solve, that some intelligent caching can't resolve.
None the less, I would probably recommend using the titles/roles within the company as a hierarchy. It seems like parent roles (superiors) have access rights to children (employees) , so that would make sense.
not sure if more people will understand the adjacency list model, but it doesn't really matter because you'll probably find that many understand both.
The nested model is not rocket science (or even brain surgery) and imho is easier to maintain.
You might be surprised.
obviously for some it could be, depending on one's aptitude for this type of thing.
but once I got my head around that the left and right values are used solely to store the hierarchal structure and to move/delete nodes and their children involves just manipulating the left and right values life became so much easier for me.
I even posted some scripts that move nodes and their children in this thread, for any one interested, because I couldn't find what I needed on the www.
if people choose to use the adjacency list model I have no issue with that, but I will always recommend the nested set model.
now I have written my own php class which manages categories in a database using the nested set model.
until you showed up, we routinely had nested set questions posted in this forum go unanswered
so what point are you trying to make?
what you say may or may not be true but in either case I don't see that it proves anything.
could it be they should have gone to another website?
for anyone interested or puzzled about the nested model,
from this tutorial
.....the concept of nested sets in SQL has been around for over a decade, and there is a lot of additional information available in books and on the Internet. In my opinion the most comprehensive source of information on managing hierarchical information is a book called Joe Celko's Trees and Hierarchies in SQL for Smarties, written by a very respected author in the field of advanced SQL, Joe Celko. Joe Celko is often credited with the nested sets model and is by far the most prolific author on the subject.....
you said "many understand both" and of course you are entitled to your opinion
i simply gave my impression based on my experience in this forum that it is actually few, not many
i'm suprised you failed to see my point, kalon
i wasn't trying to "prove" anything and i wish you would stop being so defensive
if you're going to quote me, you should quote the whole sentence and not take the 3 words out of context that suit whatever agenda you are pushing.
what I actually said was
not sure if more people will understand the adjacency list model, but it doesn't really matter because you'll probably find that many understand both.
that doesn't mean you will find many on all accoassions.
how many you actually find will depend on the where the sample of people is taken and the size of the sample.
it could be many or it could be few.
I suppose that could then suggest that many of the enquiries about the nested set model over at webdeveloper.com were from sitepoint refugees
maybe that's where ~all~ nested set people should go
if they can't get the help they need from here, then that is one option they have


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Deep, deep, deep… There's no more words to describe this release, it's classy, it's tasty and it's ultra sweet. The original track was made by Haustuff & Leesboon with the colaboration of Jonny Keys. The Duo behind the concept is constituited by one Portuguese and one Brazillian and this convergence result in a catchy tech-house track which brings the groovy side of its tech character without losing any of its deep soul.
Ricardo Albuquerque is one of the guest remixers. Maybe some people dont know but Ricardo is one of the Warung Beach Club guys. One of the most famous clubs in the world and probably the most famous in Brazil these days. Aside of this references, Ricardo justifies all of this hype with an addictive deep track. You will notice the leads, the groove made by the drums, but what will get you hooked on it is the outstanding bassline phrase. We simply love it!
B. King, it's not another guy to fill the package. Yes its true the work of the last contender on this pack its tough. But this guy shows from what matter is made. Bassline apart, which is lovely, the sinthesized glided strings are something else, believe us, you will want to listen this in repeat.
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BOCA RATON, Fla. – The Saint Leo baseball team lived and died by the long ball on Friday afternoon as 11th-ranked Lynn University used a two-run home run in the bottom of the eighth inning to send the Lions to a 7-6 defeat in Sunshine State Conference action from the McCusker Sportsplex.
The game-deciding home run came in an inning where the Lions started with a 6-4 lead, and gave the home team multiple chances to retake the lead. A leadoff bunt caught the Saint Leo infield off guard, leading to a hit. It was followed by a dropped fly ball where the runner on base scored, setting up the blast down the left field line by Paul Stortini.
The three-run inning followed a frame where the Lions (22-21, 5-14 SSC) rallied to take a two-run advantage behind a clutch three-run home run by Chris Newcomb. The two out shot came after Dillon Vitale and Frank Rawdow earned walks. Newcomb's round-tripper was a no-doubter that exploded off his bat and sparked the Lions.
Unfortunately for the Lions, that momentum would not last.
Both starting pitchers, Saint Leo's Charles Neeley and Lynn's Shawn Kale went deep into the ball game, both tossing 6.1 innings as the game went into its final third with the Lions holding a 3-2 lead. Both hurlers ended without picking up a decision.
Lynn (32-13, 14-6 SSC) scored five runs across the seventh and eighth innings to squeeze out of the SSC series-opener with the win.
Reliever Andre Colon (3-2) picked up the win with just 1.1 innings of work, while Matthew Hewitt (1-2) was saddled with the loss.
Hitting leadoff for the Lions, Newcomb was the highlight hitter for the Lions as he went 3-for-4 with three RBI and the homer in the loss.
The Lions will look to draw even in the conference series when the two teams square off in doubleheader action on Saturday afternoon, the last gameday of the 2012 season. While looking to sweep tomorrow, a win in one of the games will mean the Lions finish 2012 with a winning record; a feat not seen since 2008. The Lions and Fighting Knights will get game one underway at noon on the diamond at the McCusker Sportsplex. For the latest news, information, and updates on Lions Baseball, visit SaintLeoLions.com.


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Angkor Wat Encounter
by Raj Dhillon
About the Book
Features & Details
Large Format Landscape, 13×11 in, 33×28 cm
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- Publish Date Aug 15, 2007
About the Creator
My business began as a hobby and has taken off. I started out doing portrait photography and was getting frustrated at not being able to display my work comprehensively. Along came Blurb and transformed all that! I have created over 100 books for customers since I began. I started out with my own photography but demand has resulted in my compiling customers' own travel photographs from all over the world, their old family photographs, birthday parties, wedding receptions, special events, creating luxurious coffee table books that will be treasured for life. In addition to photo books, I have created for clients recipe books, poetry books, books to promote business for artists and jewellers, portfolios for building contractors .... new and ever increasing areas!
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Fangraphs does a good job (link below) running down why it isn't crazy that the Mets exposed Fernando Martinez to waivers to make room on the 40-man roster for Ronny Cedeno and Scott Hairston. (Tiny reliever Daniel Herrera also got the waiver treatment.)
Back in 2007, Martinez was the uber-prospect, you may remember. I'd arranged with the Binghamton Mets to spend the day with Martinez. I thought I'd have a chance to get insight into a star just before he took New York by storm.
But the weekend before my day with Fernando, he broke his hand. It was a sad harbinger of things to come.
I saw him many times in the years that followed, but seeing him last spring, in Carlos Beltran's debut spring game, was shocking just the same. Playing in the same game as the hobbled Beltran, Martinez ran terribly, the result of an arthritic knee. Beltran moved far better that Martinez did.
I hope he finds good health and salvages his career. To me, Martinez gets placed on the shelf next to Alex Escobar. After all, both players spent plenty of time on the shelf.