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HOUSTON - The space shuttle Endeavour landed in Houston Wednesday, bolted to the top of a specialized Boeing 747, after it left the Kennedy Space Center for its final journey. After a stay lasting less than 24 hours, the shuttle will depart Houston at 7 a.m. Thursday.
NASA's youngest shuttle stopped at Ellington Field on its way to Los Angeles, where it will be placed on permanent display at the California Science Center.
The aircraft arrived in Houston to thousands of onlookers hoping to catch a glimpse of the spacecraft.
The shuttle carrier aircraft conducted low-level flyovers at 1,500 feet above locations along a planned flight path. Endeavour flew over numerous landmarks in the greater Houston area, including the three major airports -- George Bush Intercontinental, William P. Hobby and Ellington -- as well as the downtown skyline, and the San Jacinto Monument.
"I have goose bumps," one woman said while watching it from the San Jacinto monument. "My heart is racing. It's the first time I've seen a shuttle that close."
Bill Brewer said he planned his week around the flyover to make sure he didn't miss it.
"It's just a wonderful feeling," he said. "It's something that's going to be in history for the last time."
The plane landed at Ellington Field at about 10:40 a.m. It's final position is near the NASA Hangar 990 pedestrian gate. Public viewing within about 100 feet of the aircraft began 30 minutes after it was parked and continued 9 p.m. Wednesday.
Officials said as many as 100,000 people went to get an up-close look at the shuttle.
"I worked at NASA when they started with the program," said Sylvia Withrow said. "This is like the beginning for me, and saying goodbye."
Someone inside the jumbo jet that carried the shuttle held a Texas flag out of the plane. Unfortunately, it was upside-down.
After Endeavour landed at Ellington, a Texas flag was displayed outside the jumbo jet as it taxied to the tarmac. Unfortunately, it was upside-down. KPRC Local 2 asked the crew about that, and the pilot said it was an honest mistake.
Scott Rush, 54, of Crystal Beach, said he has been a fan of NASA since its earliest days and didn't want to miss a chance to see Endeavor, even though he's not happy it isn't staying in Texas.
Houston wasn't chosen as a shuttle retirement home. Instead, it got a full-sized replica that was used for training.
"I think it's a pretty rotten deal, basically," Rush said. "The one we're getting is a toy. An important toy, but a toy nonetheless."
"Bittersweet now that we're not going to have the shuttle any more in Houston," space fan Rick Contreras said. "That's what Houston and NASA are all about. I think we should have that here in Houston."
"I think we should have got one of these," space fan Gary Donovan said.
If Endeavour couldn't remain anchored at the International Space Station, its main destination in recent years, then the science center is an ideal final stop, said astronaut Gregory Chamitoff. He will be on hand for Endeavour's arrival in Los Angeles.
Chamitoff grew up in California and flew to the space station in spring 2011 on Endeavour's final trip to orbit.
"I guess I didn't really know how I would feel until I woke up, and I think this is more exciting than it is sad for me," he said.
KPRC Local 2 went inside the modified jet that carries the shuttle. The seats have been taken out and everything that a passenger would expect to see on the roof isn't there.
"As far as structural, it's a 747, like a normal commercial airliner," Flight Engineer Larry Larose said. "The gear is the same. The wing is the same. The engines are the same."
Endeavour will take off again at sunrise Thursday morning. The shuttle will arrive at Los Angeles International Airport on Friday after an overnight stay at Dryden/Edwards Air Force Base. In mid-October, it will be transported down city streets to the California Science Center.
This is NASA's last ferry flight of a shuttle. Atlantis will remain at Kennedy for display. Discovery is already at the Smithsonian Institution, parked at a hangar in Virginia since April.
The back-to-back delays in the ferry flight resulted in one day being cut from the Houston visit. The city was one of the bidders for a permanent shuttle exhibit, but had to settle for a mock-up from Kennedy. It lost out to New York City for the Enterprise, the shuttle prototype that was housed for years at the Smithsonian.
NASA retired its shuttle fleet last summer, under the direction of the White House, to spend more time and money on reaching destinations beyond low-Earth orbit. Asteroids and the planet Mars are on the space agency's radar for crewed missions.
Endeavour completed 25 missions, spent 299 days in orbit and orbited the Earth 4,671 times while traveling 122,883,151 statute miles.
NASA will provide updates on Endeavour's cross-country flight via social media using the hashtags #SpotTheShuttle and #OV105, which is Endeavour's orbiter vehicle designation. Updates and public availability plans for Endeavour's stop in Houston also will be posted regularly at www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/home/endeavour_visit.html.
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Is Rachel Zoe Hiding Her Baby Bump?
Is the oversized fringe bag being used as camoflage for her tummy?
-PJ Gach
Rachel Zoe was spotted shopping in West Hollywood on October 9th, looking uncharacteristically casual in denim and cropped pants. Usually we see the uber stylist carrying petite Chanel bags or large leather satchels. Now she's carrying a super-large messenger fringe bag that's conveniently covers her entire tum!
The bag is from her new line for QVC that will debut on October 27, 2010. The site, Fringe Handbags is speculating that she's using the bag, not to stir up interest in her new line for the shopping channel, but as a way to hide her baby bump.
If Rachel Zoe is pregnant, she would be approximately 15 weeks or so along.
Tell us: Do you think Rachel Zoe is pregnant or showing off her new line for QVC?
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Booby Traps Series: Cultural traps in the hospital, and a "look" I won't forget.
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STUDENTS past and present came together to say a fond farewell to one of Haygrove School's longest-serving teachers at a specially arranged music festival.
John Hoare, who has 38 years of teaching under his belt, is set to retire this summer and the community decided that the History and PE teacher, who's been around since 1976, should go out with a bang.
Students, staff, families and friends were treated to an extravaganza of live music performed by a host of singers and musicians from the school community including Storm Warning, the Haygrove Jazz Band, Fazed, The Purple Turtles, The Hardley Fentons, Lake House Grace, The Targets, Pulse and ex student Georgia Handel performed an operatic solo as well as the school choir.
To commemorate Mr Hoare's time at Haygrove School, a stunning cake in the shape of the main school building was made by local firm Nice Buns and was on display throughout the evening.
Mr Hoare said: "This has been a truly memorable way to celebrate everything that is great about Haygrove School. I am proud to have been a part of the school for so long.
"I'd like to thank all the students who performed so brilliantly tonight and I am hugely grateful to Mrs Cath Clark who has overseen the organisation of the festival, to my daughter, Finley, who supported Cath in contacting so many people and to all my colleagues, family and friends who have worked hard to make this evening so wonderful."
Mrs Canham, head teacher at Haygrove School, said: "Mr Hoare will be hugely missed by everyone at Haygrove School. He is has been a valued member of our staff for many years now and I know there are lots of people in Bridgwater who have fond memories of the contribution Mr Hoare made to their own or their children's education."


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An Excellent Classic! I have always LOVED this particular episode which I first heard on am radio in Dayton, Ohio, sometime in the 1970's. Well written, well acted and also well directed ~ FANTASTIC.
Michael James Fry
Dorian Gray is a young attractive man who sits for a portrait and offers to sell his soul for eternal youth. He meets a man and the two engage in all forms of debauchery and sin - living only for the moment and without regard to others. The portrait changes with every new act and reflects the real hideous man Dorian has become.
A young man strikes the Faustian bargain in exchange for eternal youth. But as his soul is consumed by the evil that overtakes him, a portrait of him changes to reflect the ugliness of his soul.
Howard Staff
As I remember the novel, this is a pretty faithful rendering. The original story covers a greater span of time - explicitly something like 20 years - or enough for Dorian's continued youthfulness to become apparent. I'm sure there are a lot of changes but the only thing which struck me was the scene in which Dorian states that he would sell his soul to the devil if only the picture would age while he remained the same... And the picture then falls to the floor. This seems unnecessarily obvious. Dorian's cruel breakup with Sybil Vane is as well motivated as it was in the novel although the reason is different in this version. Pretty good overall.
H. Stern
Strong performance from Rose
Lucy Tormes
A handsome young man, Dorian Gray, having his portrait painted, talks with an older man about life and pleasure. The old man tells him that life is solely for the pursuit of pleasure and one's own satisfaction and indulgence. Dorian takes this to heart and struck with his own beauty in the painting is jealous that the artwork will keep his beauty while he will age. He says he would sell his soul to the devil if he would remain ageless and the painting would take the ravages of time. He then embarks on a life of debauchery and self-indulgence and it appears the devil was listening and accepted the offer. Can Dorian come to terms with what he sees in the painting? Fabulous adaptation of the Wilde story.
George Lowther adaptation of Oscar Wilde novel; starring Nick Pryor, Norman Rose, Roger Dekovan .
If you like news broadcasts, there's a somewhat tense CBS News at the beginning of this one, so check it out. It's a great episode as well!
I didn't really catch on to the "undertones" hinted at by Dorian and Sir Henry's exchange. But, you're right, about how RMT occassionally slipped things like this pass the censors. I have two thoughts on this. First, Who did "censor" RMT? Were they required to submit their scripts to the FCC or some other governing body? How does that work with radio? Secondly, perhaps "whomever" paid little attention, because, after all, it was "just" radio. Who really listens to radio shows and because all the "visuals" created bt RMT are purely in the "Mind's eye" perhaps it's less "dangerous" --it's certainly far more subtle-- and a lot easier to "hide" certain implied situations. They probably just didn't take RMT as seriously as T.V. shows of the day. But the "Theater of the Mind" certainly makes a lasting impression on those of us willing to extend our imaginations beyond the common place......... Until Next Time..............
It's as if the RMT had more or less free reign, because even though we were just past the "free love", radical 1960s it seems to me that our American society had strong enough moral underpinnings left that many of these RMT tales were accepted and taken for the fables (and as such, morality tales and warnings) they were. (Frankly, the 60s were a sort of beginning, so there really wasn't time for the unleashed worldview of that era to have taken root among the general populace yet, which was a blessing for both the RMT and its listeners.) Seriously, I've NEVER heard of legal or censorship action ever taken against the RMT. I'd be surprised if it didn't happen somewhere at some local jurisdiction, but I've never heard of it happening.
Marlon B.
That would be interesting to discover. If, there was any legal action ever taken against RMT, even at a local level? Was there ever a situation where Himan Brown had to leave out a line or a theme due to network pressure? I'd be curious to find out. For the most part, RMT almost always had the "sinners" ultimately pay for their transgressions. Probably one reason these themes occasionally were allowed to air. Interesting little side-bar to explore..................
RMT was always very subtle in addressing controversial subjects, and never thrust them in your face. Also, radio is a much smaller forum then television or cinema, and out of the spotlight one has much greater freedom. The same is true of literature. Books have a much smaller (and more educated) audience then the other mediums, hence greater freedom. The novel "Lolita" eventually found a publisher and avoided being baned in most modern countries, but when it was made into a movie, the sexuality was heavily watered down. At least that is my take on it. And I definitely agree that people are much more tolerant of scandalous subject matter as long the practitioners of said behavior are seen to suffer from it.
I really liked this adaptation. Sometimes I kind of dread CBSRMT adaptations of classic novels...like the Dracula adaptation, where E.G. keeps promising us at each commercial break that if we haven't been scared witless yet, we will be soon...never happened for me. But I thought this one was great, especially for spelling out some of the things that were left to the imagination in Wilde's original. In more so than most adaptations of this story, you really got a feel for what a jerk Dorian was. Back on the subject of CBSRMT adaptations, I really liked what George Lowthar did with The Pit and the Pendulum. I fell asleep listening to that one on my iPod and it gave me nightmares as I drifted in and out!
Regarding "Picture of Dorian Gray", it's just interesting how the RMT 30 years ago treated certain subjects in the episodes I mentioned, especially in light of yesterday's announced Oscar nominees for this year. (Can you imagine E.G. Marshall onstage making a presentation like Quote: E.G. MARSHALL: "...and this year's nominees for 'Best Achievement in Music Written for Motion Pictures, Original Song' are...'It's hard out here for a pimp' from 'Hustle & flow', performed by 'Djay', written by Jordan Houston, Cedric Coleman and Paul Beauregard..." SFX: Applause and cheers MUSIC: "North Memphis where I'm from, I'm 7th Street bound Where niggaz all the time end up lost and never found Man these girls think we prove thangs, leave a big head They come hopin every night, they don't end up bein dead Wait I got a snow bunny, and a black girl too You pay the right price and they'll both do you..." SFX: Applause and cheers (I'd be ready for him to do an "RMT third act outro" commentary after that one...)
Jack Cassidy
A fine show and a fine encode. The Nixon news at the beginning is a nice addition; some of us remember those days . . . some as children remember things and some as adults remember things. But if you're 30 years old or younger you're not part of that club. It's difficult or impossible for me to be objective about Dorian. It seems to be very well written and acted, but somehow it doesn't have that magic "umph" for me. I'm pretty sure it's my over-familiarity with the story. (As if I could say, "I was sure surprised when Hamlet died at the end of the play.") So I think it's a good or even great episode from RMT. But for me . . . not so much. Weird, because the RMT version of Jeckyl/Hyde still strikes me as very fresh and lively, and I'm probably equally familiar with that tale. Of course some/many of the scenes are very good; when the girlfriend dies, the struggle in the attic, and conversations with the butler. The original moral of the tale holds up well; you sow what you reap, and what goes around comes around. Somewhat of a platitude but very accurate nonetheless. Something that each person of each generation has to learn anew. Well, time to get back to my painting. I'm doing a rendition of my dog hoping that this will forstall the ageing process in the beast. He does live a wild life, on the edge most of the time, so it'll be interesting to check up on the condition of the work from time to time once it's completed. No doubt he'll store it in the attic of his doghouse.
Ritchelle Carmen
i completely understand you about it being a story you're overly familiar with, though it really is a great RMT adaptation. i find, though i adore Norman Roses' presence on the RMT, he can sometimes portray a personality type rather than a character, sort of the way Bogart did in film... you know it's Bogart, he's not different that he was in any of his other films, yet somehow it works. i feel the same way about Norman Rose. he could play Mr. Winkles from Scooby Doo and still maintain his Norman Roseness, yet still be a convincing Mr. Winkles. does that make any sense? i read Dorian Gray when i was a freshman in high school. i liked it, but it creeped me out. the image on the cover of the book - a decaying face - was gruesome, and that's stayed with me. i read it again about three or four years ago, and the cover was much more romantic, yet the eyes of that old, decaying face were still in my mind. and so i found they were present once again while listening to this show. and lastly, yeah, I remember the Nixon era. what a lovely time. if you haven't seen it, i highly recommend the lengthy film, NIXON, starring Anthony Hopkins... he'll scare you more as Nixon than he did as Hannibal Lectur, for sure!!
Gang, in the age of the Web, and of Google that we live in, it's so fascinating to be able to hear these plays 30+ years later and be able to look at them, their actors and their authors in a whole different way while appreciating the original play (and story). First, an interesting take on Wilde and "Dorian Gray" from a National Review writer a couple of years ago... Quote: In this age of political correctness, in which people are so often recognized for how they identify themselves rather than for what they accomplish, Wilde's renewed popularity in Hollywood and Manhattan is quite likely due largely to the fact that he was gay. But whatever the reason for the revival, if it leads more people to discover his works then it can only have a salutary effect on our greatly debased culture. For Wilde, in addition to being among the most witty and brilliant craftsmen of the English language since Shakespeare, was also the quintessential moralist. Both in his plays and his novel, The Picture of Dorian Gray (1891), Wilde dispenses justice and moral judgment in true Victorian fashion. We know precisely who the villains are and who the decent folk, and we see them both get their just desserts — which is to say exactly what they've brought upon themselves as a direct consequence of their own actions. Wilde respected social norms, the necessary standards of decent and indecent public behavior without which any society collapses into anarchy. An Ideal Husband (1895) concerns a thoroughly honest and respected government minister who refuses to be blackmailed for a mistake he made years ago, even though it potentially means his personal and professional ruin. In Dorian Gray, a young man's portrait becomes increasingly disfigured while he remains youthful and handsome, indulging in every form of sin, but coming inevitably to a bad end. Wilde assumed many poses in his life; he frequently remarked, for instance, that art existed merely for art's sake, and that no artist should have "ethical sympathies." But his work belied such flippancies. Wilde said of Dorian Gray, "All excess, as well as all renunciation, brings its own punishment." Indeed, it is only because Wilde recognized and approved of social norms and standards of conduct that he was able to detect and ridicule hypocrisy so well, most notably and hysterically in Earnest (1895). ...Unfortunately, revisiting Wilde's work is a reminder of just how far our modern culture has traveled down the road of self-celebration. The embarrassing and tiresome spectacle of gay camp is splashed across our film and television screens — and thus into our living rooms. To be a gay character (and increasingly, a heterosexual one) on television or in a movie nowadays is virtually an automatic license to be silly, irresponsible, selfish, flamboyant, and sexually promiscuous (this, of course, is a partial list). Displaying such consequence-free behavior for the purpose of entertainment is not only lazy, but unhealthy and disrespectful of every social norm that has ever existed in Western civilization, and thus does a disservice to us all. Wilde would likely agree. However he behaved in his personal life, Oscar Wilde, to his great and lasting credit, recognized that engaging in private vice does not exempt one from the obligations of public virtue.
Just a few "stream of consciousness" thoughts: - That RMT music is so haunting...I forget what time mark it is, but the unnerving (another CBS stock music used in "The twilight zone", I believe) sounder used when Gray and his painter friend (played by Rose) agree to go up in the attic to see the mutations in the painting sticks with me for some reason. - Rose was always wonderful...I loved when, right after that same music bed, he said: "MmmmMIL-DYEW must have gotten into the canvas..." - IMO, an underappreciated (and not frequently used) actor for the RMT was Roger de Koyven. (sic?) He was good in this one as Lord Henry Wotten ("I might ALSO have added that the only way to overcome temptation is to fight it!") but my favorite performance of his is as the retired Stanford professor conducting dangerous experiments in mental telepathy in "The breaking point". - In the pre-politically correct (until, perhaps, the 1982 season) era of the RMT, it was interesting to see how the program handled homosexuality/lesbianism/transgender issues. Notable programs with this theme in varying degrees of prominence are: - Picture of Dorian Gray - The long blue line - The sinister shadow - The secret sharer - Death is a woman (with a notable role by the RMT's Gordon Heath, who died of AIDS a decade or two ago) - Dressed to kill (the latter a farcical murder story, but interesting nonetheless) It was also broached in -The cornstarch killer - Change of heart (interestingly, from 1982) I'm not trying to get into a discussion of same, but rather just how the RMT handled it. (Note in particular E.G. Marshall's comments either at the end of "Dorian Gray's" third act, the conclusion, or both.) - How often did Nick Pryor appear in the RMT? The only other thing I think I remember him in is as the ill-fated young husband from Nebraska in "Speak of the devil" (also from 1974.)
Leon Lynns Reynolds
I have to agree with Mr. Miller regarding the first 6 minutes on Nixon (including the bit with Dan Rather). That was certainly a nice touch, leaving it in. I remember the first time I read this story, which was shortly after first listening to this episode of RMT. Quite the opposite of my experience with the Oblong Box, where I was already familiar with the story before having listened to the RMT broadcast. I particularly like the change in Dorian Gray's voice as the story progresses, as if his tortured, diseased soul is trying to break through the facade of his physical beauty. This episode was just as haunting to me today as it was some 30 years ago, and I feel equally inspired to pull the book down off the shelf again. Great choice!
Mr. Orange
some amazing powers of observation.
F. Poe
there's a reason i refuse to watch silly award shows. if i want to see wealthy clowns, i'll go to the circus and throw quarters. ugh.
I believe Oscar Wilde was one of the first to use it. I know Faust predates it, but I don't know of any other Faustian storyes that predate Dorian Gray.
Ross Antonel
I don't want to be the RMT's "expert" on this matter, but at work I'm listening to (for the first time) a strange little Elspeth Eric piece entitled "Fallen Angel" from the 1975 season...add it to the episode list I compiled above.
Jim R.
A very powerful statement on the wages of sin. My impression was that this tale followed closely its source material. Does anyone know if that's true?
The whole visual created in my mind of the attic and its horrid contents (The mutating portrait, Sir Henry's murdered corpse...) really captured my imagination. I think I dreaded Dorian's return there-- at the end-- as much as he.
Being a sometimes portrait artist, I really enjoyed the clever use of a portrait as a "diary" which recorded the depravities of its subject.
I tried but was unsuccessful in finding a National Review article I once read on Wilde which dealt with this very story and a few others of his. As I recall, it said how Wilde (ostensibly from personal experience) saw what a monstrous creation one becomes when they focus on themselves and their own vanity.
Step back and think for a moment though...again, this episode dealt with a subject that, frankly, was and is quite controversial. And look at the quote directly from this episode above...while I've got to add one needs to know the battle they're fighting, this quote ALONE wouldn't make it into any hollywood-produced movie or radio show today given its subject.
(Again, consider that the RMT was the little sister of "The Twilight Zone", which had an episode where (even though the subject was confronting Satan) the very idea of putting a CROSS (instead of the "staff of truth" which was used) on the door was voted down as too controversial in the early 60's of all times - a decade or more before the first RMT! Our wonderful RMT, even though it had several flawed episodes, took on HONESTLY the subject of homosexuality/lesbianism (This episode, "The sinister shadow", (I would argue) "Death is a woman", "Carmilla" (wonder how many would appreciate vampires if they knew the George Sheridan LeFanu story "Carmilla", a female vampire which molested girls starting at ages as young as 6 with the intent to kill them, was the direct inspiration for "Dracula" and seems to have directly or by default heavily influenced "Twilight"?), and some could include "The secret sharer"), abortion ("The phantom lullaby"), islamic terrorism ("The terrorist"), post-modernism ("The crack in the wall"), gambling ("You bet your life" and other episodes...to Twilight Zone's credit they did tackle that one), the value of parenting (the incredible (when you step back and think about it) "Welcome for a dead man", plus other episodes), the ongoing argument of heredity vs. environment ("Blood will tell"...an RMT with one of the all time best last second plot twists), the consequences of marital infidelity (take your pick of a bunch of episodes) and other controversial subjects with (IMO) frequently amazing ease.
How did they do it, particularly in the mid-late 1970s era?
I'm with you on the awards shows! As for this episode, I just thought it was a cool variation of an old story. The deal with the devil story. A story that has been done so many times. The twilight zone used it repeatedly. I didn't read any political agenda into it. It was the deal with the devil story done very well. I just thought it was a great horror story. With excellent acting, directing etc. Just a great example of why I love mystery theater.
This was Oscar Wilde's only novel; he was primarily a playwright. Still a little bit dated to learn that part of the reason Gray is "evil" is because he enjoys having sex. Deal with the Devil.
"The Picture of Dorian Gray" is a classic. George Lothar did an amazing job of adapting Wilde's work. It was a great listen. I do believe though that if the truth be told, MOST would sell their soul for eternal youth. Fortunately, MOST have a more obligation to living out the inevitable--we are all going to grow old and die. I write this today on my birthday. How utterly apropo. 5 star.
It's been a long time since I read the novel, but it seems like a good encapsulation of the original (even though I seem to remember it covering a longer period of time). Was there really any guilt on the painter? I really don't think so, the guilt is primarily on Dorian himself (although Sir Henry definitely aided it). Even Oscar Wilde could write about someone who didn't want to take responsibility for their own actions and blame it on other people. I guess some things don't change.
Marian Seldes is missing from the cast list. She played both Sibyl Vane (Dorian's fiancée) & Catherine Wilson (the woman from the charity). Curiously, the error occurred in the broadcast—E.G. Marshall only mentioned the three men.
great adaption of the Oscar wilde story! this story scared the hell out of me!
terence m. jones
This was a great one.
Love this one!
@Arric: I think you mean Mr. Wickles; still your point is well taken. Sometimes I wonder if Scooby Doo had either been a radio series first(before the cartoon came about) or if there had been a Scooby radio series in the 1970s or something similar what it have been like. Considering all the great CBS Radio Mystery Theater episodes out there, I would have liked to have seen the crew of that show take a crack at a Scooby Doo esque show(mystery solving teens or college students, maybe a talking animal or maybe not).
One of my favorites. I remember listening to this on the radio...... Awesome entertainment.
Marian Seldes is also in this cast not listed on the web site. Such a great cast and George Lowthar's great adaptation - Truly another CBS RMT Masterpiece - well acted - and Himan Brown at his best directing and Nick Pryor, Norman Rose, Roger Dekovan at their very best.
I rate this episode ★★★★☆ for GOOD. I'd give George Lowthar props for writing the adaptations on the works of Robert Louis Stevenson, Bram Stoker, Edgar Allen Poe, and Guy de Maupassant. For this Oscar Wilde classic, his adaptation was nicely done, but not magnificent. In the original novel written in the 19th century, there were 9 characters to focus on. In this episode, there were only 4: just the main characters. Classic stories, such as this one, should've been expanded; just like what CBSRMT did for Victor Hugo's story of LES MISERABLES (#1275-1279) and Edward George Bulwer-Lytton's story of THE LAST DAYS OF POMPEII (#1045-1049). Another way to title this would be "Portrait Of A Depraved Monster." Sound effects of the footsteps, portrait falls to the floor, bell tolls, horse carriages, pouring of the bottle of Brandy, steps to the attic, creaking door, lighting a candle, knife stab, body thuds, glass breaking, clock chiming at 11 o'clock, and stabbing the portrait at the very end were splendid. The music had the right chilling tunes for his chilling tale, especially in the final Act when the characters deal with the portrait in the attic. In our Host's Prologue, E.G. Marshall begins with the horror, wit, and brilliance of Oscar Wilde. In ACT-1, after speaking out old sayings, he lets the listeners know that our main character becomes a harsh bargainer. In ACT-2, it's about fearing the loss of youth, followed by reaping what our main character sows. In ACT-3, he concludes the story on the character's demise. In his Epilogue, he mentions Oscar Wilde's wit and wisdom. But here's where he messed up: E.G. Marshall did NOT mention Marian Seldes!?! How could he forget that talented actress when it was obvious that she was in the episode? He said the names of the 3 actors: Nick Pryor (as Dorian Gray), Norman Rose (as Basil Hallward), and Roger DeKoven (as Lord Henry Wotton and Parker), but not Marian Seldes (as Sibyl Vane and Catherine Wilson). Nick Pryor as the main character did an amazing performance. Norman Rose is good in every episode that he does for this radio series. Roger DeKoven was splendid in his 2 roles. As for Marian Seldes, this was one of her glorious roles! The way she said her lines at the 08:45 mark was captivating. I recommend this episode to everyone who enjoys Oscar Wilde's stories. And check out the 1945 film version of this story starring Angela Lansbury (from MURDER SHE WROTE). Until next time…pleasant dreams. =0)


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ARM Cortex A12: Between Cortex A9 and A15 in Power & Perf, Sampling in Late 2014by Anand Lal Shimpi on 6/2/2013 11:31 PM EST
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Egg - Sunday, June 02, 2013 - linkThe text is tiny. Also...
"In exchange for 5x the area and 6x the performance, the Cortex A15 offers under 4x the performance." what? Reply
lmcd - Sunday, June 02, 2013 - link6x power. Reply
4lpha0ne - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkThat is the typical scaling effect of complexity (look up Pollack's rule) and power (roughly cubic increase in power with linear increase in clock frequency). There's no free lunch. ;) Reply
lmcd - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkYou understand that I understand, right? Reply
MrSpadge - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkTiny text: welcome to the beauty of high ppi devices. We need even more pixels... Reply
jbo5112 - Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - linkTiny text: welcome to the world of foolish people defining non-raster (non photo/movie) sizes in px, instead of something like pt, in, or cm that automatically scales. Reply
A5 - Sunday, June 02, 2013 - linkInteresting. Hopefully they are planning a process shrink on A15 before then to help with the power some.
These time frames would also seem to leave a pretty big window open on the high-end for Intel and/or AMD if they can execute properly. We're expecting a rev of Silvermont and Jaguar next year too, correct? Reply
twotwotwo - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkARM doesn't set a process roadmap like Intel does--folks like TSMC, GlobalFoundries, and Samsung do the fabbing, so they determine what process they'll introduce and when.
Not to say ARM doesn't have a role optimizing for new processes as they come out; this story says they offered "optimized packages" for a couple of today's processes (though not Samsung's--Samsung might optimize for their own proc). They're just not driving the process (ha!) as Intel does. Reply
Krysto - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkWe should see Cortex A15 at 20nm next year (probably in Tegra 5, and Exynos 6), and then Cortex A57 at 14nm in 2015. Reply
TheJian - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkYes, so I don't understand the point of this chip for xmas 2014/2015Q1 devices. I will want a T5/Mali678/A340/rogue7 (whatever all these & more will be named) etc etc at 20nm by then. I guess this will be for feature phones by then :) I will expect much more from a smart device at xmas 2014 (or after in 2015 even worse). This seems to be about the perf of a T4i but a year later (likely with better power - but what about a T5i next July which is surely coming for mainstream?) or am I missing something here? Devices in 2015? I'm confused. Power of a 2013 xmas mainstream device (t4i to me, which is aimed at $200 phones last I checked) but not until 2015. Umm....Ok....LOL. I may have to take back the power comment, both fabs mentioned are running these on 28nm? Ok, a T5i (or whatever) makes these pointless if on 20nm. Again, even more confused. What the heck is any 28nm chip good for in 2015 for mobile? I can see from reading some of the other posts I'm not the only one confused. Reply
Wilco1 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkYes like many on here you seem confused. This is not a high-end chip, it's simply a faster and more efficient replacement of Cortex-A9. You know, not everybody in the world can afford an S4 or iPhone. Check out the cheap devices based on Allwinner, MediaTek and Qualcomm SoCs which are selling well in Asian markets. They use 65nm and 40nm processes, and some still use Cortex-A8! Why? Because it's far cheaper to use old processes and old cores.
Currently the quad Cortex-A7 at 1.2GHz is replacing the old Cortex-A9 as the low-cost top-end at 40nm (as Cortex-A7 is far more efficient and cheaper). Cortex-A12 on 28nm in early 2015 fits perfectly in this large market of cheap devices made on old processes. The A15 won't be used in this market until it is obsolete and cheap.
Note Cortex-A12 is faster than A9R4 as used in Tegra 4i (A9R4 is ~15% faster, A12 is 40% faster than A9). Reply
TheJian - Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - linkUmm, you must have missed the fact that T4i is aimed at $200 phones in...wait for it...ASIA, thus something coming a bit faster FAR later is pointless. It will be facing a T5i which I'm sure will make up the difference in anything A12 adds right? I missed nothing, neither did anyone else. T3 as sold to Google & MS was only $23 roughly. How much cheaper do you think a chip needs to be? At these prices (and T4i is smaller as T4 full is only 81mm which is the same as T3's 80mm), you can't get much cheaper and T4i should easily be able to sell for the same and we're not talking the savings of 20nm this A12 will be facing next year by everyone not just NV.
Are you trying to tell me the difference between a $600 phone and $200 phone can be made up by making a $23 soc cheaper on old process tech? ROFL. OK man. Whatever. Even if NV gave the soc away free, the difference is $23 bucks. Do you think they hand you $100 AND give you the A12 free for using it? You are not going to magically enter untapped markets etc over $23. You are making a ridiculous argument I'm afraid. It would perhaps be a good one if you could show me the price of an A12 is less than $23 (first) and NV was charging $200 for a soc (2nd). Then I would get your point. But at $23 for T3, I'm guessing the BEST A12 can do on a LARGER process node than T5i etc, is a few bucks tops. Even if I am TOTALLY generous here and give you a $10 advantage (this assume they can make it for $13 and have a 40-50% margin AT that price...LOL) you are not magically getting into cheaper markets...We are talking $10 and there is no way I believe it will be FAR cheaper to produce an A12 at 28nm than whatever cheapo units everyone makes at 20nm. If the max cost is around $23 now, it's miniscule differences we're talking here, not hundreds of dollars. T4i is NOT a high end chip...T4 is.
"The Tegra 4i is part of what will now be a family of Tegra 4 smartphone chips, with the 4 aimed at high-end phones and tablets and the 4i aimed at phones in the $100 to $200 range."
I'm actually giving you a great benefit saying it's aimed at $200 phones. Clearly I can find sites saying $100-200. How cheap do you think A12 is aimed at? Again, I missed NOTHING.
PC magazine says UNDER $200 for T4i. Are we done here? All clear?
"Tegra 4i has that nailed down. It's half the size of competing chipsets like the Tegra 4 and Qualcomm's Snapdragon 800, and according to Nvidia it's up to 2.5 times as efficient per square millimeter, which means it's able to deliver the performance we think of from top-end phones in devices that will cost $100-200 without any subsidy."
So even PC mag says $100-200. I'm not sure where they get that T4i is 1/2 size of T4, but I know it is vs. S800. I guess we'll have to wait to see if T4=S800 (I thought S800 was a good bit bigger than T4 full). Either way, the point is YOU are the one who seems confused. Unless S4 and iPhone are suddenly selling for $100-200 without contract subsidy? I must have missed that. I'm running off to by a $200 S4 now... /sarcasm. We'll see how big A12 is in the end, but you are not going to knock much off of $23 already. I guess you're just having trouble with simple math and economics :) T4i will do just as well in those $100-200 markets (unlike T3) because it now has a MODEM. This is the only thing that kept it from competing before in phones. Well, it didn't perform like a T4i either...LOL. But you get the point. It was modem-less which causes most to look at Qcom instead. That will be different this time.
"R4 has 15-30 percent higher performance per clock cycle than the A9s used in chips like the Nvidia Tegra 3, and can be cranked up to even higher clock speeds;"
You need to read more...PCmag article said that too. So 15-30% and that's BEFORE upclocking it. A 2.3ghz T3 would be impressive vs even a T3 1.4ghz from last year (or even T3+1.7ghz). But add in the 15-30% and 5x the gpu's. I don't see the point in A12 as many others don't here. To get into $100-200 phones you aren't selling the T4i at more than $25 right?
This is straight from NV's Matt Wuebbling (he's the guy I'm quoting from PCmag article), the director of Nvidia's mobile business. He should know where they are aiming their T4i right?
Whatever... Reply
Wilco1 - Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - linkI totally don't get your huge rant about Tegra 4i. We are talking about A12 and what markets it will be used in, which has nothing to do with Tegra 4i. The 4i is an interesting chip and I hope it will be successful, but A12 will clearly surpass the A9R4 in every aspect it when it comes out. If there will be a Tegra 5i, then I bet it will be based on A12.
Tegra 4i may well go after the Asian markets, but at ~$23 Tegra 3 is way too expensive for the $50-$100 devices that Allwinner, Mediatek etc are selling. Yes, the SoCs in those are in the $5-$10 range. I don't believe the 4i can go that low. Reply
speculatrix - Wednesday, June 26, 2013 - link@Wilco1 thanks for that. Is there a simple chart showing the various Arm-derivative processor architectures with their performance and performance/watt in a table normalised to a "standard" process/geometry, along with the best performance that each variants can managed on the best fab's process? Reply
michael2k - Sunday, June 02, 2013 - linkWhat's the fundamental difference between an A12 and Apple's Swift architecture?
There's a similar 40% perf improvement in some cases and there are also memory improvements. Reply
cmikeh2 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkSwift is a 3 wide out of order front end whereas the A12 is dual issue. Reply
tuxRoller - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkPossibly the fully OoO pipeline in A12 to make up for the frontend. Reply
fteoath64 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkGood question!. It goes for the Tegra 4i as well which optimizes with dual channel memory and enhancements to the tune of 30% over A9. The issue here is the reference A9 has been improved by the likes of Apple, Nvidia maybe others so the gap between A9 to A15 needs to be plugged as A15 shift has slowed for power reasons. A12 is a great fit and there is market demand due to "good enough" graphics on tablets/phone today. Reply
WaltFrench - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkThis sounds like, "the A12 presents similar types of enhancements to what Apple & nVidia have been implementing, just a couple of years later." Or am I missing something? Reply
lmcd - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkNope. There's probably more work done, though, since it sounded like there are more base improvements. And Nvidia never made that performance claim IIRC, which makes sense as the A9 upgrades (note: which were done by ARM, not Nvidia) were incremental enough that ARM didn't designate a new processor name, like they did here.
A12 will beat A9r4 or w/e, but not Swift (most likely).
The other main point is it's big.LITTLE compatible with A7 and A15. So it must be fundamentally different than the A9 and add a few things to maintain that compatibility. Reply
kpal12 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkThe Cortex A9 was an older generation core, which couldn't match the cortex a7 in power or the a15. The A7 was about the same speed. The A12 is a newer generation core that does not consume a crazy amount of power and is still fast. Reply
sherlockwing - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkInteresting that ARM is planning to fill the gap between two 64bit 20nm ARMv8 parts(A57/A53) with a 32bit 28nm ARMv7 part(A12). Reply
Death666Angel - Monday, June 03, 2013 - link*40 bit part, not 32. Reply
lmcd - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkUhh it's between A15 and A7 anyway, so... Reply
rwei - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkOk, so this comes in *below* A15.
What comes *above* A15? Anything? Or is Silvermont going to run roughshod over ARM performance-wise for the forseeable future? Reply
Krysto - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkThe 64 bit Cortex A57. Reply
sherlockwing - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkIt is written clearly in the last slide, Cortex-A57 (20nm, 64bit) will be the A15 successor and will compete with Silvermont. Reply
Wilco1 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkA57 is faster than Silvermont, and A15 is most likely as well (as A15 and Jaguar are similar performance). Reply
lmcd - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkSilvermont is likely to be comparable with A15, if not faster. Reply
Wilco1 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkWhat exactly would make it faster? The Silvermont microarchitecture is more like A9 than A15. It has just 2-way decode, and 1 load/store units vs 3-way decode for A15 and 2 load/store units. Reply
Klimax - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkThat's not everything... Reply
lmcd - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkAlso, isn't Jaguar faster than A15 by a pretty significant bit? Especially in floats and doubles, as noted by the recent piece on the matter. Reply
Wilco1 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkNo, Jaguar is slightly faster on integer but on FP A15 beats Jaguar by a good margin: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/compare/... Reply
kpal12 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkCortex A15 ----> Cortex A57
Cortex A9 ----> Cortex A12 -----> Cortex A55?
Cortex A7 ----> Cortex A53 Reply
Homeles - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkMaybe I'm missing something, but isn't late 2014 too late for A12 to be relevant? Silvermont will not only be outperforming it by a wide margin, but it will also have already undergone a node advancement and will have appeared in the form of Airmont. Even at 20/22nm, A12 is not going to look great against a 14nm Atom. The Silvermont architecture's successor, presumably coming less than a year later, will only exacerbate the issue.
A57 and A53 may very well be more competitive, but A12 just doesn't sound even remotely useful with that launch time frame. Won't A53 already be encroaching on A12's performance?
I suppose an A12/A7 or A12/A53 pair would make perfect sense for smartphones, but Atom will look even better... Reply
Homeles - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkI do suppose A12 would be a nice toy for Qualcomm and Apple to play with, though. Reply
michael2k - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkApple has Swift and Qualcomm has Krait, both of which were released in 2012 and are already similar to A12; the A12 is for the Rockchips and Mediateks who don't have the budget to develop their own SoC so that in 2014 you can get $200 smartphones with the power/battery of an iPhone 5. Apple and Qualcomm will have a 20nm part more similar to the A15 or A57 at that point.
Your point wrt Atom is also behind since Atom today is barely competitive with Swift/Qualcomm, and the next gen Atom won't be out until 2014, competing against 20nm A15 parts. Reply
Krysto - Monday, June 03, 2013 - link22nm Silvermont won't appear until first half of 2014 in smartphones, and 14nm won't appear until 2015. Also 22nm Silvermont will be competing with the 20nm Cortex A15 and 20nm-whatever-Qualcomm-comes-up-with next year. Reply
Homeles - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkAtom is going to be the lead uarch on Intel's 14nm process. Reply
Krysto - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkMaybe, but it still won't be available in phones until 2015. Do you really think they'd release it in mid-2014, if they are barely launching Silvermont in phones in Q1-Q2 2014? At the very earliest it will be November-December 2014, but my bet is still on 2015. Reply
TheJian - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkAgreed, considering the slide leaked a while back shows Nov15-Jan15 for production, how can you get into an xmas device in 2013? It takes 4.5+ months after an OEM gets a chip to make a device around it (only google has done it this fast so far). Heck if memory serves, that slide showed QA not even happening when they'd have to be SHIPPING to oem's for xmas 2013. devices. I'll be fairly shocked to see silvermont in a phone before late Q1 (if it makes it, they must have updated the roadmap without it leaking). Is Silvermont now shipping to device makers in Aug? I must have missed that news if so. This is why it was so important for T4/T4i to make it out the door ~early july. You can possibly get into Black friday stuff then...LOL which is basically like Christmas part1 right? :) Reply
psychobriggsy - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkThis product is presumably intended to replace the A9 in mid-range SoCs, which are the bulk of the market, and will still be relevant for several years to come in low and mid-range phones and other devices. No die sizes given though, probably a bit bigger than the A9 on the same node, but a lot smaller than the A15.
I presume that ARM are also working on an as-yet-unannounced mid-range 64-bit part, probably called the A55, to go alongside the A53 and A57.
And until I see a review of Silvermont I won't be assuming that it is the be-all-and-end-all of mobile cores, unlike plenty of other people. Reply
Krysto - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkI believe you are right. Because 32 bit in mid-late 2014, doesn't make any sense. This feels like a stop-gap chip, and ideally they should've released the A53, "A55" and A57 in the same time, but it will probably arrive a year later - mid-2015, and be 10-15% faster than A12. Reply
Wilco1 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkWhat makes you think Silvermont will outperform the A12? We don't know until we see actual benchmarks, but my guess is their performance is similar. I don't see how Silvermont could outperform either Jaguar or A15 (let alone A57!) given it has just a single load/store pipeline and limited memory reordering. Reply
Homeles - Monday, June 03, 2013 - link"What makes you think Silvermont will outperform the A12?"
Saltwell cores already are pretty close to A15.
"I don't see how Silvermont could outperform either Jaguar or A15 (let alone A57!) given it has just a single load/store pipeline and limited memory reordering."
Clock speed. Intel's FinFETs are a huge advantage to them. Silvermont is supposed to come in at 2.0-2.4GHz (for dual core, at least). A 2.4 GHz Saltwell would be on the level of A15; multiply by the 50% IPC gains that Silvermont brings, and Intel's lead is clear.
Jaguar is in a totally different class on the high end of its spectrum, but Silvermont should do pretty well against it at the TDPs they compete in. Jaguar isn't quite cut out for tablets. Here, Intel's overwhelming frequencies will be what makes it competitive -- most Temash designs have a clock speed of 1GHz. The A6 Temash model does look very good, though.
Perhaps we'll see just how well Temash does in the near future... Reply
Wilco1 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkWhere is Saltwell performance close to A15 even with a 25% clock advantage? http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/compare/...
The performance gap both single and multithreaded is just ridiculous. And these are current phone models...
As for clockspeed, A15 is currently at 1.9GHz, and the move to 20nm should give a good frequency boost, so A15 will have similar top frequency as Silvermont. However A15 will likely have a decent IPC advantage (given the gap with current Atom is huge) and thus will still outperform Silvermont when running at a lower frequency.
Jaguar certainly can't compete at lower TDP/clocks so in tablets A15 will prevail. Reply
Wilco1 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkHere is what ARM says about A15 vs Silvermont: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2040582/arm-claims-... Reply
tech4real - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkComparing a top of line Galaxy S4 versus an old single core saltwell medfield isn't going to say much about how good A15 is core-for-core or iso-power performance against upcoming silvermont. And i don't even know how much difference 2GB ram vs 1GB ram is going to favor S4 in these test. Also as I mentioned before you can easily fall into a pitfall of doing a bad job of assess processor/soc perf and power if you are not careful about your test methodology.
A15 at 1.9GHz? what's the power burn at that freq, how long does it have to throttle back to 600Mhz or less to cool down the phone? there are reports showing the octa core S4 throttles itself badly after maybe 30second use.
20nm move? This will take a while and it's interesting to see the power/perf and yield on TSMC this time. Everyone can paint pies in the sky, sometime it shows up more or less without big hiccups, sometime it can take a really long time (TSMC 28nm HPM, anyone?). Reply
Wilco1 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkI don't believe dual core Atom phones are out yet, but Geekbench lists single-threaded results so you can compare core for core, and Atom comes out woefully bad against A15. RAM doesn't make a difference as there is no IO and Android doesn't do paging.
Samsung claims about 5.5W for quad A15 at 1.8GHz. I haven't seen any reports that S4 throttles itself badly - Anand explicitly reported that he was only able to throttle it in one benchmark when running a set of benchmarks.
20nm is already ramping up, the rumour is that Apple will be the first customer. I'd certainly hope TSMC has learnt from the slow 28nm introduction. Reply
wsw1982 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkCheck lenovo K900, please. Reply
Wilco1 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkAh you're right, K900 results just appeared - still terrible vs S4: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/compare/... Reply
Krysto - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkWhat are you talking about? Old Atom is not even CLOSE to A15 in performance. At the same clock speed, A15 has at least 50% performance advantage. Reply
wsw1982 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkThe A12 sounds really the same as the Qualcomm Krait and Apple swift, up to 40% faster with the same power consumption. I have no ideal why ARM introduce it, as it's 2 years late than the counterparts form Qualcomm and Apple and targeting the same market. And as for the Atom, the current generation Atom (5 years old architecture)is already comparable to Krait, swift and A15 in performance/watt with 32nm technology.
To me, ARM armed too high with A15 which was simply not designed for phone/tablet. Keep in mind, the A15 without throttling is a 8w monster comparing to 2+w socs for either tablet or smart phones. ARM were either too confident about A9, or mislead by Intel's MID concepts. In either case, the A12 sounds like a making-up of their wrong decision, just a reinvent-the-wheel of the Krait and Swift. Is this the reason cost their CEO? Reply
Wilco1 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkA12 is effectively an improved A9, and quite different from Krait and Swift which are far more similar to A15. Note that A15/Krait/Swift are a lot faster than A9, while A7 is quite close in performance despite using less power. So A9 is no longer competitive, and the A12 will take over the mid range. It would have been better for it to arrive earlier indeed, but there are only so many OoO CPUs one can design per year...
The Korean Galaxy S4 uses an Exynos Octa which consumes 5.5W at 1.8GHz. That is fine for mobiles and tablets, for example power is similar as Tegra 3 despite providing more than twice the performance. For typical usage you rarely need that amount of performance, let alone for long periods, so only looking at max TDP is misleading.
What the introduction of yet another new CPU has to do with the CEO is beyond me. The naming of A15 and A9 suggests the mid-range A12 was planned a long time ago (Cortex numbering indicates relative performance). Reply
tech4real - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkmy guess is because A15 on current TSMC/GloF process is seriously overshooting its original power target, and this leaves a huge gap between A15 and A7 for other vendors (apple/qcom/intel) to exploit. What makes matter worse is that the gap happens to sit in the most important power range of high-end smartphone and fanless tablet design points, so ARM has to deliver some stopgap solution. Reply
wsw1982 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkNo, the Krait and Swift are in the same performance range of yet-to-arrive A12 which is at maximum 50% faster than A9. The A15 is another store. It's much faster than both Krait and Swift, but consumes much more power as well. There are review on Nexus 10 which is powered by A15 by Anand. You could check the results. To me, the A15 is fast but not designed for phone or tablet. The only reason could be that the ARM thought the A9 was faster and good enough to secure the Mobile market, and therefore armed the A15 to something bigger (server? MID? netbook?). This caused the trouble now, because apparently the A9 is too weak and the A15 is too power hungry to defense the mobile market, which you can see in the COMPUTEX this year. And therefore, without choice, ARM must introduce yet another core, the A12, to copy the success of krait, swift or even current gen. ATOM. A12 is apparently redesign of the wheel and really has the huge-time-to-the-market (dis)advantage :) This is apparently the decision made by the CEO himself, which put ARM in today's awkward position. It's just the most logic conclusion I could find out. And if my analysis is right, don't you think this bad decision would cost the CEO the job? Reply
Wilco1 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkBy the time A12 comes out, Krait/A15/Swift will be much faster and on 20nm, so the gap between A9 and Krait/A15/Swift will only widen.
The issue is that A9 is getting old and no longer competitive, not A15 being too fast or power hungry (A15 will appear in lots of mobiles). In 2014 nobody will use A9 - A7 is as fast and far more efficient (you already see Qualcomm, Allwinner, MediaTek etc using A7 rather than A9 in mid and low-end designs).
As I said before, it's clear A12 has been planned a long time ago, so your analysis is completely incorrect. A12 is not trying to be another Krait or Swift at all (A15 is already faster and A7 is already more efficient), it's simply replacing the old A9. Reply
TheJian - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkYes, at 20nm the complaints about A15 go away even if you just shrink the same crap and do nothing else but upclock to whatever your power target is for your device. I'm sure everyone will up the gpu some, but this chip seems out of place vs. 20nm everything. Reply
Wilco1 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkA12 is not out of place once you understand that it is an A9 replacement for the mid-end. Currently dual A9 is being replaced with quad Cortex-A7 on 40nm as A7 is far more efficient and cheaper. The next faster core is the A15, which is way too large, power hungry and expensive to use at 40nm. Given that A9 is obsolete there is now a huge gap between A7 and A15, and A12 fits right in there. Reply
TheJian - Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - linkYou'd better call NV and let them know they're releasing an A9r4 that is obsolete already...ROFL. Just tell them to stop producing T4i and go home. While you're at it tell it to PCmag I just quoted who says it has Top end phone power in a $100-$200 phone.
So what does a 20nm die shrink of T4i run at? 2.7-3.0ghz in the same power envelope? Again A12 pointless. They got from 1.7ghz to 2.3ghz from 40 to 28nm. It's reasonable to think even the exact chip at 20nm would hit 2.7ghz at least or your process needs work. Also note this little gem from pcmag article:
"Unlike Qualcomm, Nvidia isn't actually allowed to design its own ARM-compatible cores, so it had to give the R4 innovations back to ARM and let competitors license them, but the 4i will be the first A9R4 chip on the market."
So everyone will get it eventually, and I'm sure by Q1 2015. T4i has what NV did first with A9R4, but they had to give the improvements back. Note the GPU is not the same, they get to keep all their own tech on that side. But everyone will get the cpu enhancements NV made. I think when A12 hit the drawing board they didn't realize companies like NV would make A9 so much better and in doing so raise everyone else too (who A12 might be aimed at, people who couldn't optimize like NV alone). But with NV having to give it all back, everyone gets it making an A12 redundant at best. T4i die shrunk to 20 puts A12 to shame in the same price and power envelope unless arm starts saying it's die size is 20mm. T4i if half the size of T4 (which is known to be 81mm or so) is 40mm roughly or NV has to measure their own chip again and re-report :) They should know their own T4/T4i die size right? It's amazing they got 72gpu cores on T4 into a 10mm die, so 60gpu cores is obviously smaller. I'd like to know what Arm has to pair with A12 in that size (what 8mm for 60 cores?). Good luck.
"Nvidia clearly needed to make difficult decisions in order to enable Tegra 4's GPU in just 10.5 square millimeters of die space—less than Qualcomm's Adreno 320, ARM's Mali-T604, or Imagination Technologies' PowerVR SGX554MP4."
A9R4 is NOT obsolete, and further I'd say dual A9 40nm is being replaced by A9R4 28nm QUAD+1 in a few weeks :) I think they call it a T4i ;) I don't understand your points. Do they sell phones for under $100 without subsidy with power like T4i? Next June/July we'll have T5i no doubt along with everyone else's stuff. A12 doesn't fit well with a 20nm Kepler based T5i and it's ilk. I think most people will want T4i power in $100-200 this year, and whatever T5i brings next year vs. A12. This might have a place if coming next month vs. T4i, not late 2014/Q1 2015.
Look at the perf in the chart of T3 vs. quad A7. Look at the prices both $20. Look at the raw dmips (12-17 for T3 is bigger than 9.1 for A7quad right?). Gpu better than allwinner also. T4i will make this worse by 5x on gpu and who knows on cpu but it's better. Pixel ability is the only thing better (but that's about dual channel and gpu not cpu). Exynos shows the same. I don't see how this magical A7 quad can be cheaper than a T4i at 1/2 the size of the T3 in the chart going for the EXACT same cost ($20) as the Allwinner A31. Surely T4i is cheaper to make than T3 at 1/2 the die size right? T4 is same size as T3 as toms etc reports. T4i is 1/2 it's size. You're not making any sense. Are you privy to info all of these people don't understand or know? Note they quote that it's partially data we have to believe from allwinner at wikipedia.
"Note: Part of this chart would be AllWinner's opinion which is publicized from the Onda's press conference on December 5, 2012."
So it's only true if you totally believe allwinner. Not saying they're lying, just pointing it out, and I doubt they would undersell themselves so if the numbers are true I again, don't get your points.
Prove A7 quad is cheaper please. Allwinner should know they cost $20, and we already know T3/exynos are basically the same $20 as the chart shows. A few bucks either way is nothing to write home about and T4i is 1/2 the size (I keep repeating this but you don't seem to get this). Worse, A12 will be facing shrinks of everything mentioned. Reply
Wilco1 - Wednesday, June 05, 2013 - linkYes Tegra 4i would have been a really great design if it were released last year, not later this year. I'm sure it will get more design wins than Tegra 3. However when A12 comes out there will be no reason at all to continue using A9, not even A9R4 simply because R12 beats it on power, performance and die size. That still leaves a window for Tegra 4i, but it is not going to last that long. If a Tegra 5i exists it will use A12, what other CPU do you think it would use??? Reply
wsw1982 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkYour logic behind the A12 is planned before A15 on their number is not valid. In your logic, the A7 should planed before the A8... Hehe, the Xbox after Xbox 360 is... xbox one. If they planed the A12 long before the A15, what happened to ARM Engineering? Their design team had a 3 years delay (compare to A15). If this was true, ARM should be worried more :)
And as I said the A15 is not same class core as Krait/Swift, the A12 is. And when A15/Krait/swift come to 20nm, why cannot A9? The gap should be the same. As I said, the only logic reason is ARM made a wrong decision and cause them the problem now (The invasion of ATOM).
As for 20nm, you know, TSMC said they would ready the the 28nm production during Q2,2010 in 2009. And the first 28nm mobile chip came in 2012. So good luck with the expectation:) Reply
Wilco1 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkYou're very confused. What I'm saying is that the number used in Cortex cores indicates relative performance. The gap beween A9 and A15 means that there has been space reserved for a CPU that fits in the middle - the A12. That doesn't imply at all that the design of A12 started before A15, just that a successor of the A9 was planned a long time ago.
No, A15, Krait and Swift are the same class: 3-way fairly aggressive OoO cores. A9, A12 and Silvermont are 2-way, limited OoO and thus in the same class. Silverthorne and Cortex-A8 are both 2-way in-order so in the same class.
It looks like TSMC has learned from 28nm debacle so I don't expect 20nm will be as troublesome. They seem to have invested a lot more effort into it than before.
The A9 is old and obsolete, so it cannot compete - even at 20nm: the A7 is almost as fast and far more efficient, so why would anyone use A9? Given that A9 will disappear, the gap between A7 and A15 will only increase on 20nm, so there is a need for something to fill it. Reply
wsw1982 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkThe 3-way isn't the only parameter to affect the design, the ATOM use in-order design, which didn't make it the same level chip as original pentieum.
The core is more or less a black box to outside world, which is only differentiated by it's performance and power consumption. And in this case, the A15 is 2 times more powerful and > 2times power hungery than A9. The Atom, krait and swift is under same power envelop as A9 (but of couse the performance gain is not free, they are little bit more power hungry than A9). And from a performance and power consumption point of view, the A12 is at the same catalog as krait, swift and current gen Atom.
The A7 is actually worse than/comparable to A8 in a performance point of view, but with better power efficiency and less area.
You are right about the A12 that it design to replace the A9. However, the ARM, to me, should plan the A12 last years instead of A15. There was nothing exist for ARM to compete with Atom, Krait and swift on the market until the end the 2014. And the A15 is clearly targeting a non exist market, that only the throttled-down version of it exist on limited designs. On the other hand, the krait and Atom are eating ARM's cake.
Maybe you are right the A15 could be fine under 20nm technologies. But this is also means ARM designed and introduced some product in 2012 which can only be useful after 2014 (very optimistic for TSMC's 20nm technology). On the mean while give up the market from 2012 to 2014 to ATOM, krait and swift and simply because it had no valid product. Doesn't it sound like problem? Reply
Wilco1 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkYou can't classify CPUs just by power consumption/frequency. For example Swift is only low power because it is run at a low frequency. Clock an A15 at 1GHz, and it would equal Swift on performance while using similar or less lower power than Swift. Similarly Krait is pretty efficient around 1.5GHz but uses a lot more power when trying to keep up with A15 at ~2GHz.
Claiming ARM has no valid product for the next 2 years is ridiculous. I really don't see the huge problem you are imagining. A15 is ARM's flagship and it is clearly able to compete with Swift, Krait and Silvermont, so you'll see it in many devices including lots of phones. Yes, it would have been better if A12 was released a year earlier - A9 is really near the end of its life, however it isn't needed to replace A15.
TSMC's 20nm will be in production this year. Even if you are pessimistic about it and think they will be at least 12 months late, it means devices by mid 2014 or around the same time Silvermont will appear in mobiles. Reply
wsw1982 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkThe Exynos Octa run A7 at 1.8 GHz, and A15 maximum at 1.2 GHz. please check the anand review. Reply
Cow86 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkIt was already said there, and updated by Anand, that it is the other way round. The A15 runs at a higher speed, which is much more logical (and you can find it in plenty of other sources online).
I also think that the A12 is a great SoC...if it were available today. It seems to be shooting for the 'best of both worlds' route that Krait has currently taken, with both decent power consumption and performance. It'll just be woefully late to market...and I also can't help but think that the A53 will be very close to market as well presumably by the time this is out...Shouldn't be far below the A12 in performance either, yet maybe a fair bit more efficient (not to mention 64 bit) so it might render it obsolete already. We'll see. Reply
wsw1982 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkBut in this case, A15 runing at 1.8Ghz, it bascially means the A15 is slower than current gen. ATOM in IPC. It take four A15 cores running at 1.8Ghz to compete with 2 saltwel core running at 2Ghz or 4 krait core running at 1.9Ghz. ( The benchmark of S4 and Lenovo K900). And this is extreme Odd. Even the dual core A15 in nexus 10 can outperform the quad core A15 at 1.8GHz in lots of benchmark. Is that means, in the A15 case, the more cores the less performance? Reply
Wilco1 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkNo, A15 is clearly much faster than Atom clock for clock (eg. check the link I posted), so I don't see how you can think Atom could possibly compete? Note some S4's use 1.6GHz A15, others use 1.8GHz A15, yet others use 1.9GHz Krait (confusing I know...). But where does it show dual A15 outperforming a quad A15??? Reply
wsw1982 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkplease!!! check the comparison between Galaxy S4 (octo) , Galaxy S4 (krait), Nexus 10 and Lenovo K900. I am talking about overall performance. You can find out the Quad-core A15 (octo) is barely faster than Dual-core Atom running at 2Ghz. The only possible reason for this is A15 running at 1.2 Ghz instead of 1.8Ghz, OTHERWISE, even running at 1.6Ghz, the A15 become slower than 5 years old Atom in IPC. Do you have any other logic explanation? Reply
Wilco1 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkA15 in Exynos Octa does most definitely run at 1.6/1.8GHz, not 1.2. If you get different results then there is something wrong with the benchmark - that is the only possible explanation.
Anyway which comparison are you talking about exactly - link? I am looking at Geekbench results and those clearly show A15 running at 1.6GHz and beating K900 by a huge margin. Eg. http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/compare/... Reply
wsw1982 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkIn Antutu, the S4 (Octa) barely faster than the K900 and the S4(Snapdragon). This could only happen if the A15 is dramatically under clocked compare to it's counterpart.
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s4-vs-ideap... Reply
Wilco1 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkThat's not a CPU benchmark. Antutu does all sorts of stuff unrelated to CPU performance such as SD card read/write speed and GPU tests, and is Java rather than native compiled code. It happens to be one of the most cheated benchmarks (both by users and device makers adding special "optimizations" to show a better score). In short, Antutu scores mean absolutely nothing. Reply
Krysto - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkYeah, right. You're talking about mainly single-threaded tests, where A15 wouldn't have much of an advantage. In tests like Octane, A15 has a huge advantage over Atom. And Anand has already shown it with the Chromebook review, too.
Wait until the quad core Atoms, if they ever even arrive in smartphones, and we'll see how they stand then. But prepare to not be so impressed by Intel. Reply
kpal12 - Monday, June 03, 2013 - linkThe Cortex A12 is the successor to the Cortex A9, not something in between the A7 and A15.
The Cortex A15 was not the successor to the A9, it used far more power. This uses less/the some amount of power and is much faster. Reply
TheJian - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkBut why waste deving a new chip, when by the time it comes out the power monger A15 will be on 20nm removing the powermonger feature? :) This chip is moot by 20nm A15 etc. I'd rather have a die shrunk A15's power in Q1 2015. This is way too late. We don't want to go backwards, I want them to die shrink their way forward....ROFL. Reply
Wilco1 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkAgain A12 is not a replacement for A15 but for the old A9. Billions of Asians cannot afford a Galaxy S4 or iPhone, and current low-cost devices for these markets use Cortex-A7 on a 40nm process. A15 and Krait are too expensive, A9 is obsolete, so there is a huge gap. The A12 fills it. It's as simple as that. Reply
wsw1982 - Tuesday, June 04, 2013 - linkYou are right, as a results, they turn themselves to Qualcomm or Intel... Reply


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Samsung Galaxy NX Camera: Hands Onby Anand Lal Shimpi on 6/20/2013 7:06 PM EST
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karasaj - Thursday, June 20, 2013 - linkI can't wait to see when a company makes a "dockable" phone into a serious camera like this. Imagine having the Galaxy NX as your connected camera, but when you aren't actually taking photos, you just "pop" the phone out like a tablet/keyboard convertible and use it like a normal GS4. Whether it's Samsung with Android or Nokia with WP8, that could (imo) be a serious device.
You would have to ensure the lenses match up etc so I don't know if it's possible to "magnify" the normal 8MP or whatever camera it is with the lense on a real camera, and ensure that it stays unscratched (possibly add a closed shutter when not in use like normal cameras?) but if that could be pulled off it would be an impressive piece of engineering! Reply
theduckofdeath - Sunday, July 07, 2013 - linkI'm not a fan of dockable phone solutions. It hinders the design of the phone too much. And personally I don't see the point. You're basically paying more for less. Reply
Gnarr - Thursday, June 20, 2013 - linkDoes it shoot raw? If not, no real photography enthusiast will buy this over a dSLR with raw capabilities. Reply
bengildenstein - Thursday, June 20, 2013 - linkYes it does. Reply
SeannyB - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkYes, it shoots raw. DPReview even suggested that with the Photo Mate Professional Android app, one could have a raw shooting & processing & publishing workflow all in-camera. Reply
Calin - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkNo real photography enthusiast will buy this - but anyway, the market for this type of device could be huge Reply
Spunjji - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkWhy not? Reply
JimRamK - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkLack of physical controls Reply
cmdrdredd - Sunday, June 23, 2013 - linkI see a dial looking thing on it. And a couple of extra buttons. Reply
Mayuyu - Thursday, June 20, 2013 - linkWhat's the start up time? Reply
relentlessfocus - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkYou don't want to take a camera away from viewing through the viewfinder and have to tap, tap tap on the screen just to change the aperture or shutter speed let alone things like exposure comp, ISO or turn on or off the flash. This camera is a joke to anyone who works seriously with cameras.
Dropbox integration? From your camera you want to upload 8, 16 or 32gb of data? If only Anand had the photography expertise that he has on CPUs he'd be singing a different tune. Check here. http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/android-mirror... Reply
kkwst2 - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkWell, I currrently do that with my Panasonic GH2 and an Eye-fi card connected to my Galaxy Nexus through a hotspot. So yes, I would do that. I don't usually shoot 16 GB at a time, but have uploaded probably 6 GB in a day with it. I agree I don't need the wireless data capability, but the Wifi is certainly useful and is being integrated by Panasonic in their new cameras.
And I doubt this camera is geared toward professionals. Did anyone say it was? But for a high end consumer / gadget person I think this could have a market. Early adopters often get half baked products but that doesn't mean that having android on the camera could not be useful for some people. Reply
theduckofdeath - Sunday, July 07, 2013 - linkThe points he's making at sansmirror are really just the points a non-techie would make about anything technical.
You're not forced to use the 3G, if you don't want to use it there is WiFi. This sentence really makes no sense at all: "The problem that needs to be solved is how do you retain photographer control during shooting while hooking seamlessly into a wireless digital workflow that flows through the cloud". What does he mean? He hates seamless automated features and insists to click through annoying sub menus on a werid dial control to backup images one by one?
The guy at sansmirror is a dinosaur. :) Reply
matty-marketing - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkWiFi & ANDROID system rocks! but let's see its other features & a full review of Samsung Galaxy NX @ here :
http://t.co/cC75eZ01pc Reply
Daniel Egger - Friday, June 21, 2013 - link"but it's absolutely the directions cameras need to go in"
I couldn't disagree more. The last thing this world needs is a higher magnitude of crappy pictures that are pushed to the internets directly from the camera "just because we can" . Forcing people to at least glance at the shots they took on a big screen before posting them at least ensures that some consider not posting every blurry crap shot they took. Reply
Spunjji - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkTechnology has already taken us way, way past that point. Reply
Daniel Egger - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkNot really, with phone pictures everyone expects them to be crappy and also the process taking them and posting them is still quite slow. It's common knowledge that DSLRs/DMLCs automatically produce good images under every condition of every subject, right? And they also produce those fine images with >=4 fps in 20 MPix and RAW format and have far shorter focus and shutter release delays... Reply
evonitzer - Sunday, June 23, 2013 - linkWhat are you talking about? This camera will produce photos near DSLR in quality, so there won't be a glut of crappy photos coming from it. Unless the photographer is totally incompetent. But you don't have to auto-post. It would be an option. Instead of having to go home, transfer to computer, and then share. I would love it. I dislike sharing terrible photos from my phone, but if I could do it from my DSLR? Great.
Also, you can check photos on the camera. It's not all that difficult to zoom in, verify focus and exposure, and then share. Reply
theduckofdeath - Sunday, July 07, 2013 - linkAuto backup and auto post are two completely different things. You don't auto post everything from your smartphone, do you? But I am sure your phone automatically back up all your photos automatically to at least one cloud service. Reply
nathanddrews - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkOne question: will it come in a wifi-only version? Uploading RAW images over mobile data doesn't interest me, but an ad hoc wifi connection for immediate transfer to my laptop workstation for editing and backup sure does.
I'm very happy that they pushed the viewfinder out from the screen. Good thinking! I wonder if the screen automatically turns off when it sense your face to the viewfinder - much like holding a phone to your ear. Reply
haplo602 - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkThis is a typical solution waiting for a problem that will never exist. I fail to see any positives of this camera:
1. It is not a good camera since it lacks manual photographic controls (you know, buttons and dials)
2. It needs a data plan but cannot do much with it. How many do you already have ? Phone ? Tablet ? Now this camera ?
3. It is SLOW because of Android.
Basicaly what Samsung needs to do is incorporate proper BT/WIFI connectivity into a camera, not just the bullshit android/ios apps. Proper WIFI tethering. We usualy already have a smartphone that can do the comms part, connecting the camera to it and creating a proper workflow is the part that's missing. Hell there are apps for smartphones for flickr, facebook, google+ and the lot. All that's missing is proper integration.
One last comment: Why the EVF if the camera is fully touch controlled ? If you need to change ANYTHING, you have to look at the bloody screen and tap it. EVF is just another expense that won't be used much if at all.
The only positive thing is the app market. But if Andoid cannot fully control the camera inside and serves just for after shot workflow, then that's a negative again. Reply
hughlle - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkLets just hope that the wireless connectivity is better than what they currently offer. I bought one of their current wifi cameras, used the wi-fi once, and didn't bother using it again. Why would i spend the money on a camera that takes great pictures, for the camera to destroy the image quality so as to send it as a smaller file. I just emailed myself a photo i took earlier in the week, the original file is 4.38mb, the emailed copy comes out at 473kb and looks horrendous. Reply
jimmyzaas - Friday, June 21, 2013 - linkI don't understand all the hate. When I change settings using the dials and buttons, I'm still looking at my screen. Maybe all you guys are so pro, you don't even need to confirm the correct settings. Perhaps your dials and buttons have braille on them, and you know exactly which one is for aperture and which one is for shutter, etc. Out of most of the regular people I know, we all look at the screen while we are using the dial and buttons anyway. So why wouldn't this work? Wouldn't this be even easier to navigate than to go through dials and buttons? I don't think this device was ever intended for hardcore DSLR users anyway. I mean they made it like a phone so most people can just pick it up and go.
My only concern is battery life and start up time. These are the two things that irritate me from android devices. With a quadcore 1.6 SoC, you really have to wonder. Will I only have enough juice for 2 hours of photography? Maybe 30 minutes only with flash.
Anyway I think this is a really awesome idea. It reminds me of when apple released the iPhone while we were all using those regular flip phones. It forces the other big guys to wake up if they want to stay alive in the camera business. Reply
evonitzer - Sunday, June 23, 2013 - linkI agree. Absurd hate from people with no imagination (and presumably no DSLR's or they would have realized the limitations that crop up from time to time). But in regards to battery life, hopefully they will cram a huge battery into this thing. Space isn't as much of a constraint as in a phone, so the battery should be enormous. Not sure if it is swappable like most cameras, but changing batteries isn't a big deal if so. As long as boot up time is less than 30 seconds. Reply
secretmanofagent - Sunday, June 23, 2013 - linkWell, I can think of a couple issues. When I'm changing settings, I'm still looking through the viewfinder because it's showing me what I'm changing. There's more limited information if it's an SLR as opposed to an electronic viewfinder, but I'm still able to do what I need to through the viewfinder (with the exception of reviewing the shot, which the electronic viewfinder already does). An electronic viewfinder model that I have I essentially never look at the display, as all the information it could is already shown in the viewfinder. I change mode, adjust settings, without ever looking at the main display. Why is that an issue? It helps me take pictures without having to recompose the shot because I already have it framed the way I want it.
The bigger problem with an electronic viewfinder (assuming it is) is that it will automatically preview the settings. In low-light conditions, this can be a major hindrance, as I've had to try to take pictures without knowing exactly where the camera was pointed (longer exposure).
The leveling isn't unique to the Samsung (Sony A77 and Nikon D7000 have it as well, for example), but it's interesting for them to include it. As much as I dislike Samsung as a company, it's an interesting model and the battery life would be interesting to determine. They're trying to play in the bigger leagues, so it'll be interesting how the lens quality, ISO, and other aspects of what people expect from a camera play out. Reply
Impulses - Thursday, June 27, 2013 - linkThat was one of the few truly informed comments here... Frankly I think it's a miss for several reasons beyond the lack of manual controls (though that's certainly a big factor), but the concept has promise. I just don't think it'll be truly realized for another few years.
First of all, there's already plenty of super connected mirrorless cameras and DSLRs and compacts are getting there as well. With a current gen Panasonic Lumix G-series you even get NFC to make the initial connection as painless as possible (no need to type passwords, scan codes, etc) and once paired you can view and initiate image transfers from a phone/tablet as well as take full control of thecamera. Sony's NEX cameras have a similarly rich implementation (minus NFC) and they even let you install apps and additional features...
So what does having an Android powered ILC camera really add to that experience beyond unnecessary complexity and potential battery/performance downsides? Not much at the moment IMO, in the future it could lead to more open and customizable camera firmware which could really blow up the market but that will only happen if the concept even catches on and Samsung (or whomever) then commits to an API or some other avenue for customization.
Beyond that, this particular model is larger than lost other mirrorless models... Which isn't a bad thing in and of itself, mirrorless doesn't have to mean small and there's many advantages to a mirrorless camera with a good OLED EVF vs a DSLR... But this particular model doesn't do anything that smaller and possibly cheaper mirrorless models do (yet), while sacrificing size which is one of the two or three major advantages over a DSLR.
Sony's NEX system and Olympus/Panasonic's micro four thirds have a far larger share of the mirrorless ILC market, and more developed lens systems, without them jumping on board I don't see Android on cameras catching on in the short term unless Samsung pulls some impressive surprises on the software side (as far as letting developers truly run with it etc, some of Samsung's cameras have terrible interfaces to begin with). Reply
Impulses - Thursday, June 27, 2013 - linkI'm a big supporter of Android and I dig the concept in theory btw, I just don't think this particular model is anything special and I'm not too confident Samsung by themselves will really get it right even with a second or third gen product... I'm glad they're putting it out there tho. Reply
Gmarley - Thursday, June 27, 2013 - linkMost SLR's even one level above the intro models have several ergonomically placed dedicated physical controls. My index finger controls shutter speed, my thumb controls aperture, and the rest of the parameters are accessible without going into a menu or taking my eye from the viewfinder. You use one for 10 or 20 hours and it becomes second nature, and impossible to go back to anything else. Reply
shorty lickens - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkIf they had a standby mode they could reduce startup times. My D40 might be lacking in many ways but at least it can start shooting in about a second. Reply
529th - Saturday, June 22, 2013 - linkI'm sure your photos won't be private even before YOU decide to share them. Reply


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Jon Toghill ripped the heart of the home side's batting line-up as he took 3-34.
Toghill shared the new ball with Chris Willoughby, who bowled seven overs for only nine runs.
Mason Poole, Jamie Rendell and Dan Clarke took two each to dismiss Chippenham for 149, the hosts being rescued in part by number seven Denson Narayan with 57.
Captain Bryan Jater led the visitors to victory with an undefeated 77, while Dan Clarke chipped in with a run-a-ball 24 to get Sodbury home.
In the corresponding second team fixture the young Sodbury side made it three out three with a 56-run win to stay top of the Glos/Wilts 2nd XI Division.
Batting first the home side amassed 235-6.
Tom Makepeace continued his good form with the bat and was dismissed one short of his half-century.
He figured in an 82-run partnership with Jim Davis (39), while 17-year-old Jacob Havard impressed with a solid 33, and Adam Febry provided momentum to the innings with 39 not out.
After tea the patient bowling of the Sodbury attack forced Chippenham to fall behind the run rate.
The introduction of stand-in skipper Richard Wood saw wickets tumble in the chase.
He took a impressive 5-26 as Chippenham folded to 148 all out.
The thirds took part in a highly entertaining game against Bishop Sutton at home in the Bristol & District League Fourth Division, eventually claiming an improbable victory.
Bishop Sutton scored a creditable 230, where Dave Gorman commenced his fine all-round display with 4-64 from Sodbury.
After tea, Sodbury found runs hard to come by, eventually requiring 100 runs off the last 13 overs with only four wickets in hand.
Callum Carter, at number seven, and Gorman started to swing the game Sodbury's way.
Carter departed for 28 and Gorman soon after for 34.
It was then left for number 10 batsman Darren Bell to smash 26 not out and lead the side to victory.
Sodbury fourths went down by three wickets at Abbots Leigh seconds in Division Ten.
Batting first, Sodbury scored 182-7, Dave Turner scoring 29 and Sam Vile 77, but Abbots Leigh claimed victory with three balls to spare.
In a low scoring encounter at Patchway, Sodbury fifths nearly defended their score of 85 against Bishopston in the 11th Division.
Jamie Pearson (17) and youth team debutant Campbell Lawrence (13) top scored.
Bishopston squeaked home by one wicket despite Jerry Penfold and another debutant from the youth team, Tom Isaac, both taking two wickets.


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