text:
Anand's Thoughts on Google's Chrome OSby Anand Lal Shimpi on 12/8/2010 6:23 PM EST
104 Comments
Back to Article
tipoo - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkYeah, its just a prototype to test the OS but I really wish manufacturers used this kind of design more often! No logos, no curves, no patters, no glossy black plastic, nothing but what matters. Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - link*patterns Reply
yzkbug - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkLooks like a lot of us here share the same vision of how notebooks should be designed. Here is an idea. Let's start an open-hardware project (analogous to an open-source project) defining what our notebook should be (high quality LCD, no 16:9 screen, no gloss, thin bezel, no-flex keyboard, etc.) May be one day, a notebook manufacturer will hear us and turn it into a real product. Anand, do you want to drive this? ;) Reply
Dug - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkHear hear!
It seems so obvious, but good ol stupid marketing and project managers can't get it through their thick heads to listen to customers. Reply
vol7ron - Tuesday, December 14, 2010 - linkPerhaps your wants aren't what the majority of people want; and since price is based off supply, demand, and cost, perhaps they really don't want to lose.
When you start specializing, you lose an economy to scale. There are higher manufacturing costs, which means it'd cost more for the rest of the people, which equals less sales, which equals less profits. This is one of the reasons why the Dell manufacturing process was so successful; they used only a couple of base models so that prices would not be as high.
But I agree, having some variance in design would be nice. I would not call it "open-hardware", I'd call it "open-design", which could encompass hardware as well as software. Reply
Computer Bottleneck - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkI like that idea, but what platform/OS would that go best with? Reply
mrBug - Sunday, December 12, 2010 - linkAROS !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply
gr00 - Friday, January 14, 2011 - linkI wouldn't call it open hardware because open-source hardware already exists, more like "sensible notebook design initiative". Definitely agree on "no 16:9 screen, no gloss", many of those are just standards that I hope will come to pass. Reply
GullLars - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkI liked the design, with exception of connectivity options (seriously 1 USB, and no external storage?), but the name is not thought through.
The reference platform is called Cr-48, which is a very unstable radioactive isotope (λ < 24 hours) of the element Chrome (nr 24 in the periodic table)... Cr-52 is the most abuntant stable isotope, and would make a better name for a computer... Reply
tipoo - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkNah. This is a public beta of sorts, its going to be buggy. Naming it after the stable molecule of Chrome would ruin its name, naming it after an unstable isotope with a short half-life makes sense for this :) Reply
Tleilaxu Ghola - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - link:-D
Out of the thousands of posts I have mulled through today throughout the internet, this post takes over the top spot as my post of the month. This thread makes me lol, literally. Reply
mrBug - Sunday, December 12, 2010 - linkHehe obviously the stable version will be Cr-52 :-D Reply
seapeople - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - link12 inches? Come on, that's way too big. This thing is basically junk until they come out with a 7" version. Who wants to lug around a giant 12" computer all day? A significant portion of the population has bone cancer, some of them children. Why won't someone PLEASE think of the children! Reply
Griswold - Friday, December 10, 2010 - linkIndeed. Unfortunately, Acer and Samsung will be doing their usual thing and sell us these cheap-ass looking, glossy toys instead. Reply
efeman - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkhttp://www.google.com/chromeos/pilot-program-cr48....
Anand, regarding the drive: the line "What did we leave out? Spinning disks, ..." in the above link implies an SSD. Reply
kepstin - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkI've heard from someone I know at Google that not only does the pilot laptop use solid state storage, but all notebooks sold that want to use the Google Chrome branding will be required to have solid state, in order to meet the boot time targets. No idea if this will actually hold true, when the manufacturers want to start cutting costs... Reply
Taft12 - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkAn OEM laptop HD bottoms out at about $40 at retail (lower for large PC hardware players). I'm not sure an 8GB SSD with terrible performance like the one in my Dell Mini 9 would be any more and might even be less. I like the direction this is pushing the market! Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkFixed! Thanks :) Reply
Roland00Address - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkWhy would this computer be more advantageous than any other netbook and a simple dual boot (7 Starter and Chrome)? Reply
Taft12 - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkYour dollars that would go towards the Microsoft tax instead go towards a modem and data transfer. This is the easiest decision I've ever had to make. Reply
Roland00Address - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkNetbooks are routinely $300 or less now. $300 for a 6 cell, 160 gb hard drive for the everyday price of a Netbook in a retail store. If you wait for a sale the price is usually $249 to $279, and on a mega sale like black friday you can get a netbook for $199 (though usually a 3 cell battery). You can get a dual core atom n550 netbook for $329 to $349 (not on sale, the normal everday price at a retail location.).
The cost of a Windows 7 Starter license is between $45 and $55
Google is expect there chrome netbooks to be $300 to $400. Sure part of this cost is the obscene cost of a Gobi modem (which you can get for about $100 retail) but this obscene price for a Gobi modem eats away the microsoft tax and more.
I am just trying to see the value of Chrome as it currently is implemented. I understand it will be virus free and feel faster than a typical netbook. The problem is you will be hard pressed to sell this to the normal individual. Furthermore with the upcoming AMD Brazo (Low Power fusion) coming out in q1 2011 and retailing in the $300 to $500 range netbooks are going to feel less slow then they do now. Thus the only real advantages is it boots faster and is virus free; what you lose is all the productivity that current windows offers.
Right now Google is offering an all or nothing for $300 to $400 bucks you can have a windows netbook something you already know and understand or you can have a google chrome netbook, something that is new and at first glance to a "normal individual" looks more limited.
Personally I think Chrome would make more sense as an add-on to existing netbooks. If google dropped the Gobi modem requirement, then all OEMs would have to do is add a few gbs of flash memory via a mini pci express slot. You can have your windows as well as your linux operating system that boots very quickly, feels faster, and has all these free google apps. Google will still get their fabalous data mining and advertising engine and they will get it into more people's hands and thus more eyeballs. Reply
gr00 - Friday, January 14, 2011 - linkI agree on the pricing calculation. In my book for such a device hardware-wise and software-wise should feel like a natural evolution of netbook. Therefore should cost the same since they offer same or trade-off features.
Most mobile phones could do these things if there was need.
The biggest strength of Chrome OS is the unification of tendencies during the last year or two: netbooks + web apps + cloud + ssd + new OS.
It imho bases a new idea of casual un-personal trustfull computing which will soon become a rival to todays PC computing. Reply
kmmatney - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkI personally removed the Caps lock key from my work keyboard - it did more harm than good. Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkIT WILL HELP THE INTERNET FOR OBVIOUS REASONS Reply
Exodite - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkWin of the day. Reply
racerx_is_alive - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkRemoving the Caps Lock key is one thing, replacing it with a search button is something else entirely.
Instead of having to go back and erase a few all caps letters, you get a brief lag while it brings up a search box? A browser window? Something that steals the focus either way, and keeps you letters from going where they are supposed to be.
I'm not sure that's progress. Reply
kmmatney - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkI need it on my home machine for games, though. Reply
mino - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - link$20 for 1GB ? Reasonable ? Are hope you are not serious.
wait, there is more:
$50 for 5GB ? WTF ? and ZERO unlimited plans ? Are you joking ?
OK, to be clear:
I had $20 2GB plan in 2004(!) with USB EDGE modem in plan
- mind you, it was in no way subsidized, they made big money on these)
Now, I have, $15 plan, with 5GB FUP and no overcharge, USB 3G modem in plan
- FUP == 64kbps after you go over it
I can also upgrade to 20GB plan (FUP, no oevrcharge) for $30, just for kicks of it.
All this in Slovakia, a VERY mountainous country, with 40% rural population (think <3000 villages), with 90% 3G/99% EDGE population coverage and ~$10k average yearly gross income.
Why am I saying it ? Because from long-term mobile user experience 2GB plan, while OOK in 2004, is a joke in the time of YouTube. Hell those 5 gigs are barely there (so the FUP really helps me here).
In the end they are selling a $400 "notebook" that is pretty much useless without $50 monthly "monopoly tax".
Sound a real bargain up from here ...
/sorry but I had to write this rant.
The idea of respected journalist believing $20/GB rates are reasonable in 2010 is just SO WRONG. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkI agree that data plans are way overpriced, my praise is really due to the free 100mb per month and no contract requirements. Those two make me happy, but yes I'd like to see an overhaul of the rest of the pricing structure.
Take care,
Anand Reply
mino - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkIn my experience 100MB is about 1/2 a day of conservative browsing so it is more of a teaser that anything.
Well is actually the single good thing that no-agreement part. Otherwise this looks a pure cash cow for Telcos. Reply
ant1pathy - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkI'm interested in how much government subsidy might have gone into the network build out in Slovakia, and how much government control goes into the telecomms. While the large US providers make some pretty ridiculous profits, they also cough up staggering amounts of cash for infrastructure and the latest spectrum bid, which I don't believe European companies have to pay for. Different markets to be sure, and there's no doubt which one consumers benefit from, but I'm not sure what the effect on innovation and progress would be if everything was government controlled. Reply
cubbs - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - link"they also cough up staggering amounts of cash for infrastructure and the latest spectrum bid, which I don't believe European companies have to pay for."
Believe what you will - the EU is not as "socialist" as you think. In most countries the telecoms are hardly subsidized at all, and pay, as you put it, _staggering amounst of cash for infrastructure and the latest spectrum bid_. However, when the companies make bids for the wireless spectrums they also accept the regulations that come with a license - ie. coverage of XX% of the population in X years with a certain SERV_QUAL level.
I'ld rather say that the differences in the markets is the _competition_. Right here and now I can pick between 15+ cellphone/data carriers. Those who bid at the 3G licenses havent even recovered the full costs yet, and just finished bidding on the 4G licenses being rolled out next year. Reply
mino - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkNone.
The (former) landline monopoly was making money even in the communist times and was sold to T-Com 10yrs ago, still making money (and screwing anyone they can as monopolies like todo).
All three mobile networks (Orange biggest, T-Mobile/Com second and O2 third) are fully privately funded since inception.
The plans I mentioned were from Orange which had made the biggest 3G (and now FTTH) push in vision for challenge T-Mobile. T-com is a bit (but a still competitive bit) more pricier. O2 is relative newcomer Reply
mino - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkUh, and of course the spectrums (only 450/900/1800/2100) are sold too.
The cost of network build-up in 5 mil mountainous country is priced in the licenses though. (For instance they to install several hundred base stations by helicopter.) So they are cheaper even on per-citizen basis.
But the initial NMT/GSM licenses were awarded for free back in the day. Companies were "just" required to provide a certain minimal coverage within a given time-frame. AFAIR it was 90% of population covered within a year. Or something like that. Reply
Penti - Friday, December 10, 2010 - linkLol, not even the former Soviet states have any subsidies for the private telecoms. In the wireless business at least. Funny how some Americans think sometimes. Mind you US has a lot of subsides for the old land lines and broadband connections. Not that it helps much there. The rest of the world isn't over-washed in subsides they simply do it better, and cheaper. And those in the US never see the full extent of their taxation as the money goes to private insurance and pensions instead, and school fees and so on. The labor cost for the companies aren't lower because the tax is lower then most of Europe, it's higher. But you don't see on your paycheck and you can't estimate it either how much goes to the health insurance, dental plan, pensions and other benefits that's payed through taxes in Europe. But in fact looking at the statistics you can see that your benefits costs more then the taxes for the same in European welfare states. But looking at statistics wouldn't come anybody to mind I guess. Reply
DLimmer - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkDo you really need more than 100MB / month roaming data?
Maybe I'm atypical, but I do most of my browsing (and computing) at home or near free Wifi and wouldn't need to rely on the data plan for anything more than incidentals.
This is a notebook, not an iPhone. Reply
mino - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkWell, 100MB is on the low side of my daily usage. Commonly it can become hourly usage.
But you are right, maybe I am being a little "spoiled" by my options.
(I have always thought) WWAN connectivity is there to keep me from hunting for hot-spots instead of accessing Internet and doing my work.
IMHO 100MB is just about enough for checking mails on a phone. Reply
strikeback03 - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkWell, given that I use email almost none, that would more than cover my email usage. But with ChromeOS being a different concept, where at least at the moment EVERYTHING has to come over the internet as there seems to be no access to local storage. Want to listen to music while writing? If the music were stored locally you could write for hours and use only a few hundred KB backing up your stuff, but if you are listening to Pandora that whole time make that a few hundred MB.
At the same time, this isn't designed to be a primary computer, and users shouldn't necessarily need/expect to be downloading torrents or other high-bandwidth uses. Reply
macandron - Monday, December 20, 2010 - linkI must say I'm equally appalled at the data rates in the US. My god.
I live in Finland and we can get any of the following deals:
- limitless data at 1mbps for 10€/month (2-year contract)
- limitless data at 15mbps for 14€/month (2-year contract)
Flexible prepaid subscription (no contract) with following options:
- 1 week prepaid limitless data at 4mbps, 7€
- 1 month prepaid limitless data at 1mbps, 20€
- 1 month prepaid limitless data at 4mbps, 30€
In other words, for the same price Verizon offers an *extra* 3GB you can get 1 month of limitless prepaid data @ 4mbps :D
And I bet Japan has even lower rates, with their incredible amount of phones and mobile services.
It's like the US is 10 years behind in mobile data markets! Reply
synaesthetic - Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - linkIt's ridiculous here... I use T-Mobile US, and I pay the LEAST for data among the Big 4. My plan is $65 US per month, and it gives me 500 minutes (unlimited nights and weekends, though), unlimited text and "unlimited" data which is really 5GB with a soft cap that drops you down to EDGE-ish speeds after you hit the cap.
It's the cheapest absolutely. An equivalent plan from AT&T (with a lower HARD cap) is almost $90! Reply
Matthew31 - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkAnand,
It would be interesting to hear your take on how gaming fits into all this. Smartphones already have popular game apps comparable to traditional handhelds (with even better hardware available soon.) Also, games are a major reason to have an atx size computer around. Reply
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkGaming on Chrome OS will likely be limited to casual gaming, similar to what you get on a smartphone today.
In 3-5 years however you'll easily have more GPU power than an Xbox 360 in a netbook. What happens at that point is really interesting. In a perfect world MS and other publishers would open up their game libraries to all platforms at that point, but that's just wishful thinking.
Take care,
Anand Reply
MFK - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkThat may be true.
But in the short term, Chrome OS should support OnLive gaming right? Reply
sviola - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkAdd wishful thinking there...Specially if you take into account that games from 10 years ago aren't available to competitor's plataforms. Reply
5150Joker - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkI've noticed a general trend in the computing industry towards dumbing down end user control and assigning that responsibility to large corporations. Apple started this with iOS which was followed suite in party by Android and Windows Mobile 7. This Chrome OS takes a bigger leap forward with that by decentralizing everything and placing control entirely in their hands. Are consumers today so utterly misinformed that they cannot run a modern PC without compromising security? Since when was consumer notebook security such a huge issue to start with? MS has addressed that problem in part with it's MSE release which is for free, has a small footprint and is free.
I don't think the Chrome OS is the step in the right direction, rather it is headed towards a "big brother" infrastructure which I dislike very much. Lastly, since it is a cloud based system, having to use traditional wireless phone data plans (along with their measely caps) to access data is a big letdown. Personally, I think it's a far better idea to have one's own hard drive store all their data than to rely on constant net access to get work done than to store potentially sensitive data on the internet. Reply
cjb110 - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkI'm sorry but you can't blame 'utterly misinformed users' for security issues.
Not one of the current OS's has a modern design that gives security is due consideration. It's all been bolted on once it became an issue.
I'm sure Microsoft would agree that in an ideal world, if they could develop the next Windows without time or profit concerns they would end up with something completly different to what we have now.
Chrome OS has some of that luxury, and is benefiting greatly from hindsight, and based on that and short term usage predicitons Chrome OS could be very succesful. Of course in 10-20 years it might have all changed again... Reply
hans007 - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linki dont think the argument that windows 7 is too slow to run on netbooks is particularly great.
first off chrome notebooks do need to be online most of the time, and they will cost just as much , and probably more given they will have different economies of scale.
that and by the time chrome OS is out, you'll have bobcat or faster netbook chips making windows 7 run faster.
why would you buy a chrome OS netbook, if you could buy a windows 7 based bobcat one, that could ALSO runall your other apps, starcraft 2, and have the chrome browser on it.
other than having to deal with a real OS, it would have almost all the advantages of a chrome OS netbook, and still be able to do things like... oh print to a real printer, play a real game, run real apps and backwards compatibility.
i mean ubuntu can do some of those things and its netbook adoption rate is putrid. so mch so that companies started putting ancient windows xp home on the first bunch of netbooks after people complained so much and returned so many netbooks.
chrome OS will be a failure probably.
it just doesnt haveenough advantages over windows 7 + chrome browser (or another browser) to make up for all the crippling. the only people who could pull off chrome OS is apple because their loyal droves of lemmings would buy it even with all the drawbacks. plus they dont care about compatibility with existing software. Reply
Penti - Friday, December 10, 2010 - linkHaving Windows 7 license plus Broadcom Crystal HD for Video acceleration, so you could use Flash player would cost like $125 bucks for W7HP and Crystal HD though, add in more ram and it's 150-200 dollars, instead of the old ~$25 dollars for the old time netbooks with Windows XP. A 100 dollar premium would yield you a CULV/ULV (C2D/Core2) laptop that handles multimedia much better and is a fully functioning computer. Simply put a netbook with an Atom CPU, 2GB ram, Intel chipset, harddrive, wireless, TFT-screen, touchpad, keyboard and Crystal HD together with a larger battery something the 200 or 300 dollar devices don't have would cost $500 easily with the OS license.
So what you really argument against is Atom based netbooks nothing else. Running Chrome which still needs to be licensed in some form, video decoders and stuff aren't free but already payed for by Google when they build it, building Chrome yourself is criminal in that sense (with video support). And they still need large battery's and hardware video acceleration (bitstream decoding) even if they just run Chrome browser. You might get by with 1GB, but that's hardly an argument, and you might get by without any real storage as Chrome OS just needs to be a live distribution with an browser, but that's hardly an argument either as that doesn't save any money but that's not the point, it's really is that it's a proper thin client machine! Thin clients aren't free they offer other benefits, in the PC-world they still cost like $450 without screen, keyboard or mouse. Sometimes up to $499, why? Because they use normal PC-type parts, they use Atom with a XP or 7 Embedded OEM OS. If you want cheap, or rather cheap hardware you would just buy a $499 dollar business usable notebook instead. Getting a notebook with Windows 7 Pro (so you could use it in a corporate environment) would not cost much more then five hundreds if that was all you cared about. It wouldn't be too difficult getting that for around $500, and then you don't need any keyboard, mouse or screen.
Also you have to add in also that a Gobi-card easily costs over $100 USD. $400 is not bad for that piece of tech. But it's simply not a portable PC. It's a thin client platform with a proper browser and local multimedia support that you use for remote apps. Be it via RDP/Citrix, web apps on company servers or webservices on the internet. Without having to manage an complete OS. But it's not to escape Microsoft. But in the roam or field of thin appliances it's a real step forward then to having some linux based thing without proper none remote client use or local browser, or customized XP/7 embedded devices with a local IE8 browser, but lacking the diversity of Chrome browser and HTML5 support. But cost saving always come from other places then in buying in the kit a computer is cheap compared to the software and licensing and the managing a few hundred bucks don't do any real difference there. And home users don't really have any Citrix to connect too for all the windows/real apps. Chrome with HTML5 w/ video acceleration and possibly flash player support is really all what many home users need though and something other thin client solutions haven't offered. But it is more like a thin client PC from the corporation they work at that they also can use for leisure then anything else. But that's still what was missing, doing all the boring stuff was already possible even on none-x86 based mobile thin clients.
Ubuntu on the other hand can't do netbooks, they can't support the hardware dell isn't prepared to do anything so it doesn't amount to anything more then a community hobbyhack that you can't upgrade the OS on with bad drivers that isn't sold outside of the US. No GPS functionality to speak of built in, no gps maps, drivers don't support the Gobi's GPS, no H.264 video support for HTML5 browsers without Chrome installed by the user that uses for a netbook way to slow ffmpeg to decode it, no flash player with video acceleration OOB since the Linux options don't have the Crystal HD card or ION/ION-NG, and GMA4500 doesn't support it since they are on other APIs not supported by Adobe and Flash player is in a bad state on Linux still, it's just the beta that has got acceleration. It simply gets a unusable result out of the box so why would any body buy it? It's simply right that they don't. They shouldn't. As it's easier buying one with Windows and hacking in Ubuntu yourself. You could probably get that video acceleration support too then also. But that's not why they would buy something like this, Linux enthusiasts would VNC in to their linuxbox with Chrome/Chromeapp on the Chrome OS notebook not hack their own OS. But for the others it's simply a matter of it working out of the box. Something that is new even to Windows based stuff in this category. And as said those Linux boxes can't even be bought in most countries. A Chrome OS app with RDP support is also all that's needed to connect to their Windows home PC's to run Windows apps inside the chrome browser. It's not situated to be a complete computer replacement, but it doesn't need to be either. If it's working OOB, gets updated without problems and support all the basic stuff then it's miles from the badly designed Linux offers in the past. No offense to Linux here, just the OEM's that aren't trying and Canonical which the OEM's shouldn't entertain the thought with. And just look what they do with Android or Linux embedded in network/storage devices when they are trying. People will simply not buy something that aren't finished and supported. Unsupported software means the whole computer is EOL and thrown in the trash. Think of it in this way what use would the iPhone 1 gen been after a year if they hadn't updated the software from the first firmware it came with in 2007. None. Think how awful it had been to wait two years for 3GS to come out to get updated software. That's how badly the netbook linux debacle was handled. People would have returned the iPhone 1 gen if they couldn't update the software either, as it would been outdated in months unusable in a year prehistoric in two. But people aren't even aware of the fact that there is Ubuntu netbooks to begin with, you can't buy them in electronic stores. They rightly stayed away from the connmens of Xandros. One time hacks that aren't updated or maintained aren't enough. Of course everybody stayed away and nobody loved it. But that's not the case from all OEMs when building Linux products! Some are very in tune with the community, but also manage to create commercial products that everybody can use. So no rejection from users or community behind the software and philosophies. So in all what's running under Chrome is pretty unimportant, it's whats done with it that matters. That it's Linux doesn't yield disadvantage in this case. If you bought a XP computer where you couldn't update from SP1 you would have returned it too. That's how bad Asus handled it. Google just need to support a slim hardware choice it would work better then on the Android phones. OEM's would simply pick the compatible parts and Google would support and update the software. Something Canonical haven't been able to do in the consumer electronics field again. Moblin never got to the stage were it tried to do it, MeeGo hasn't either. There's always good potential when you have good vendors and support the stuff yourself though as an OEM. But you don't do it to save licensing money. Which is why Asus/Acer is so retarded and dropped it. A netbook or tablet isn't a desktop. That would be harder. But that's also no trouble buying if your a business. Just not from Canonical. Don't just judge out of that. Reply
Aelinos - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkIf Opera made an OS like this, I'd jump on it for a netbook. Seriously, you already have Widgets for Web Apps, and Opera Link for syncing information. On top of that, thanks to Opera Unite, I can share just about anything from any computer that I have Opera on, as long as I have internet.
And the biggest pro of all? I wouldn't be bound to Google, Microsoft, or Apple. Reply
strikeback03 - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkNo, you would be bound to Opera. How is that any different? Reply
dustcrusher - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkI'd like to see some of the developers and designers at Opera come up with an Opera OS concept, just for kicks. It'd be an interesting read.
Opera seems to be less...obnoxious about wanting user data than Microsoft, Google, or Apple do- I can't really back it up with facts, but it just seems like they wouldn't be as hellbent on getting as much marketing info on their users as possible.
The real question (which you indirectly suggested) is would they be the same if they were able to release OperaOS, and the answer is probably "only slightly less so." Reply
gr00 - Friday, January 14, 2011 - linkHaha I was thinking the same thing when I heard about ChromeOS. Opera is my browser of choice.
How are opera different? Take a look at security concerns with google that everyone just seems to have forgotten by now. First googlemail, than chrome browser, then ChromeOS. And it's evolution of google's idea of privacy and what of your data actually belongs to them. Google is way above Microsoft and Apple in this respect. And now you put all your data on their servers, without the option to use only local storage. How is this better than a virus? Reply
nitrousoxide - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkSo Chrome OS is gonna use very little computing power, right? What level of computing power does it require? I guess a GPU capable of hardware acceleration is essential 'cuz we got lots of HD videos on Youtube today. Won't Ontario APU be a good choice? Atom is just uncapable of handling that. Reply
ckryan - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkI hope Chrome becomes a true netbook alternative. I like the developer version seen in the pictures. I hope the lack of branding and silly aesthetics are left out of the final designs. The pictured netbook looks awesome... simple, and while I like my function keys and ctr/alt keys, I like the restrained keyboard design. Can't wait to see how it shakes out. Reply
Kamen75 - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkI would hope that Google would build a Gaming service like OnLive into these netbooks or just use OnLive itself. With all the heavy lifting being done by their own servers today's standard $299 Atom or better based netbook would work for this service. Add in hdmi output and you could possibly have a console grade gaming device at no additional cost. Just buy some controllers and subscribe to the service. Reply
Ratman6161 - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkLets put this idea of a "Microsoft Tax" to rest.
At $299 - $399 for chrome based netbooks, they cost the same as a Windows 7 based netbook such as the HP Mini's. Obviously Microsoft must figure they are making some money off of the deal somehow, but where ever it is it isn't passed on to the customer since the prices are the same.
So whee is this mysterious "tax" I keep hearing about if I pay the same for either one? Reply
Akv - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkI'm not sure, I don't know but Google may be engaging in a gross missunderstanding.
I mean since it is based on Moblin Linux, why not get a netbook with a light Linux that would let me install anything, retain full control on my files, access anything on the web, and even... access Google apps online if I wish ??? Reply
GeorgeH - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkBeyond the giant middle finger to Microsoft and possibly Intel if ARM takes off, what is Google getting out of this? Are you going to be locked in to Google services (Google search, Gmail, etc.) or will Bing and Hotmail work too? Does the OS include "anonymous" user tracking/profiling for targeted advertising like other Google services?
Basically, what's Google's game here? Reply
skjef - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkFrom what I can tell so far, you _need_ a Google account just to boot the thing up. You'll be automatically logged into any Google services you use like Youtube or search, which track your activity anyway.
The default email/docs/search is all Google, which most people won't bother to change. Google makes all their money on advertising, so it seems like their game is just to get more people browsing the web faster. More page views = more advertising dollars. Reply
GeorgeH - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkI've gotten the same lame "Voice Five" popup (not a separate window, just slapped over the content) twice today, and only on Anandtech so I'm pretty sure it's on the AT side. Is it new AT policy to allow popup advertisements? Reply
Iketh - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linknever seen it Reply
Ryan Smith - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkNo, it is not. I'll talk to our ad people ASAP. Reply
GeorgeH - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkCool. I wasn't fast enough to grab a screenshot or anything else, but FWIW it's exactly the same as the one Quicksilver posted (#23) in this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=20882... Reply
ProDigit - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkQuote: "The leaders in computing in the 1970s and 1980s are mostly gone today"
Yes,that's why the software today is more like bloatware!
In the early days software was created to function,and to be handy. Later, programs where improved in efficiency (lowest possible waste of time emulating or loading stuff) debugged and made to reach to a destination through various means (eg: some feats could be accessed by rightclicking the mouse, or taskbar,or hotkeys).
After that (the milennia) programs where created to look nice, often running gigabytes of information running through the RAM and graphics card, for very simple instructions that would take a few megabytes at most with older software (say for instance running the OS).
Now we're in an age where all these gigabytes are needed to be downloaded via the net.
Stupid I'd say, why would you want to download a program over and over again, everytime you want to use it? Why would you want your computer to upload data to the net to be used for 'cloud' computing?
As if a desktop does not have sufficient power, and your 1Mbit line has?
The older computer guru's should re-enter the software market, because many of the newer guys really are messing up big time,wasting resources, creating stuff that is not necessary.
If I wanted something that acts like linux, and looks like Linux, I would guess I would use linux. Not Chrome OS. Reply
Morgalomaniac - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkThis seems like a mobile phone OS on a netbook.
Listing the current batch of devices from entertainment to productivity we already have:
PMPs - Mobile Phones - Tablets - Netbooks - Laptops/PCs
Do we really need to wedge something in-between Tablets and Netbooks? And, if so, must we adopt yet another distinct operating system? I assume that Android and Chrome OS are in no way mutually compatible.
Currently I'm a little confused at how this is all supposed to fit together, but I guess I'll reassess when more details are released... Reply
crazzeto - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkI think the Chrome notebook is interesting, something of a curiosity but that's really all it is to me. Frankly it doesn't fit in anywhere as far as I can tell. Sure there's an argument that perhaps it's a netbook replacement (as anand suggests), but then.... Why not just get one of the many Tablets that are getting ready to flood the market right now? Frankly you'll get a far richer experince, with something that really makes a statement about being a unique product class.
Chrome notebook seems to pretend to be a notebook computer, with out actually being one.... At least for me, I don't see the point of this. If I'm going to have a notebook, I want windows 7 (interesting how that's exactly what they were running for a good portion of that first video demo).
Honestly, this is something I really can't get excited about. I want a more powerful laptop with Windows 7, I want a tablet (probably the Moto Honeycomb tab).... But a Chrome notebook? Not so sure about that.
But then agian that's just me, and I hate trying to do real work on the web. Ironic that I'm a web developer by trade. Reply
StormyParis - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - link100MB/mo free, which is not enough, for *** 2 years *** which is nowhere near the useful life of any PC. After that, it's $20/mo, which costs you more, per year, than a basic, much more versatile, netbook.
the value in the Chrome proposition boggles my mind. Reply
mi1stormilst - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkThe ipad offers $15 a month and $25 a month...this is the one thing I think that all partners should embrace for global adoption. Cheap, fast enough data plans with no contracts. If those awesome new Archos tablets had 3g built in for $9.99-$25.00 a month I would never need a phone again. Reply
mi1stormilst - Wednesday, December 08, 2010 - linkthat this concept for an OS is utter failure without a network connection. So no 100MB will not be near enough if you are required to be connected to use the device. I live in Arizona in the Phoenix area and even in a huge metro population I have to constantly whip out my Cricket card for my laptop. If you plan on leaving it at home I suppose it may have a value as something to show your friends. Reply
JamaCheerio - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkThis is exactly what all the people I inevitably end up helping NEED! My wife, My mom, my sisters, my bone headed friends, friends of my bone headed friends. "Dude, I think I have a virus..." You know the drill. Show up to some bloated notebook just barely able to boot up. And they all do the same exact things. "I check my email, search for stuff, shop online, go on
Facebook, print boarding passes, look at photos, type something in Office."
If this pans out, I'm telling them all to get this. I just hope they have an elegant solution for photos & video... Reply
zodiacfml - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkFirstly, Anand presented the article nicely with good points that have nothing I disagree. I am sure, the OS will see success similar to netbooks or the Chrome browser, not for everybody, but works very well for some.
Anyways, as JamaCheerio above, this will save me from being free support for many people regarding their machines. I could install this thing to people who only use a computer for getting online and also think that they're almost 90% of them.
For personal use, I could use this in an old or low end notebook/netbook which can support digital cameras(for travel purpose) which could be already in the plans of Google as many people update their online presence with pictures. Reply
R3MF - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linki don't like it, and the failure of atom is not a failure of desktop OS's in light-weight platforms, fusion will fix that deficiency. Reply
MagmaTism - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkJust install the latest Ubuntu and Chrome to get a feel for the performance.
I'm using a first Gen ATOM on my netbook, and the experience in Chrome feels faster than my 2.4GHz Core2Duo laptop. DOM animations are buttery smooth as is scrolling. The entire experience is blazing fast and doesn't make me want in any one area. It even handles flash content very well with smooth operation on full screen animations. The canvas also performs quite well as tested against the popular chrome experiments site and heavy Javascript apps like Google Documents load quickly and interaction has been flawless.
Let me say this again: On my first generation ATOM netbook, the experience is flawless.
I expect that not only will CR48 have superior hardware, but the OS will be far more optimized than mine is now, in addition to SSD which will further reduce latency and improve perceived performance. Added on top of this, is an iteration of V8 which improves performance even further, and increased GPU acceleration of website content.
Also, thanks to recent optimizations by Adobe, flash videos consume next to no CPU for 1080p video using GPU hardware.
I fully expect chrome OS to put more powerful notebooks running windows to shame from a user-experience standpoint -- not raw computation, of course. Reply
TonyY001 - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkIf apps can only be downloaded from the Chrome OS store how will companies build internal apps that they want to run on Chrome OS? Reply
iwodo - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - link$400 is too expensive Reply
iwodo - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkWhy does the stupid Filter continue to NOT ALLOW ME TO POST and say I post SPAM Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - link"The selling point behind a netbook is that it's small, cheap and fast enough for browsing the web. The problem is a netbook isn't fast enough for running the OS that you need to run in order to get access to the web."
The selling point behind a netbook is not "small, cheap and fast enough". If that was the selling point then they would have a low budget low capacity SSD installed. But they dont. They ALL have craptastic 250+GB 5400rpm hard drives. Why? What good does it do to have 238 more gigabytes than you need to surf the web on Windows 7? These guys could very easily stuff a windows 7 installation onto 12GB, including hibernation space. And you only need a few extra gigs for "surfing the web". So why are there no 30-40GB SSD options on netbooks? I know exactly why. Because people dont think. They hear that stupid Intel jingle on tv 200 times a year for 15 years, then they mindlessly buy it or market it even though it is just a scam. And everyone falls for it. Where is the critical analysis? Why can I not go anywhere and buy a cheap "netbook" for "surfing the web" that has a logical storage solution? (ie 30 gb SSD, which costs maybe $10 more than a 250GB notecrap 5400rpm hard drive.) Instead we are all stuck with something that crashes the moment you jostle it. Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkCorrection. I forgot about the plethora of craptastic 160GB 5400rpm hard drives. Reply
strikeback03 - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkDo the Windows 7 Starter TOS say anything about shipping with SSDs? Obviously more than 1GB of RAM would help too, but they don't do that often. Reply
aapocketz - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkAGREED
The original eeepc netbook ran linux on a small low capacity SSD. Then people demanded windows and big HDDs, and now thats all they sell.
However, I am glad Google is willing to push the original eeepc type concept, and with their software knowledge they may be able to pull it off better than ASUS did. The included cellular radio may help sell it too. Just don't count on it. Sometimes I think google has the throw a bunch of crap on the wall to see what sticks approach to innovation. Reply
Incognitus - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkSo, what you get is a crippled computer for the price of a real one that is locked into a walled garden software environment controlled by a company that build its business model on digging personal data, while effectively re-introducing the dial-up era "pay-per-use" model of old ?
Sorry, maybe I have not drunken enough cool aid to see why this is great for any user.
One can only hope that MS stays in business and true to a business model that actually makes a PC a device that INCREASES freedom. And boy, if you would have told me 10 years ago that one time MS would become the last line of defense when it comes to freedom and privacy, I would have laughed you out of the door. Reply
andrewbuchanan - Friday, December 10, 2010 - linkLol. how true. Reply
Murst - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkAnand -
Your comments about the performance hit due to Win7 seems to go directly against the comments about Moore's law.
If Moore's law continues to apply, we should continue seeing massive performance increases in Netbooks at the same price points. By the end of next year (probably), it should mean that Netbooks should have absolutely no problem running Win7 (even if price continues to drop, it can't keep on dropping forever ). If that's the case, the performance advantage of Chrome OS disappears.
It just seems like there was a market for Chrome OS, but Google was a couple years too slow. If this was released a couple years ago, it could have made a huge difference. However, if performance will no longer be a problem for Netbooks running Win7, the advantages of something like Chrome OS aren't so clear, especially at the same price points. Reply
Spivonious - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkIsn't Google giving away the OS somewhat anticompetitive? Apple and MS can't compete with that.
Also, $400 is just way too much for what 1990s Sun would call an Internet appliance. For the same $400 I can get a CULV laptop and get a much better experience. Reply
Zorblack1 - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkSo I can spend $50 more and get a netbook with Windows and DL Chrome and get the same experience + windows. What a joke.
However that said the idea of a complete browser based OS is interesting and headed towards the future.
Data rates in the US are outragous. They should never be refered to as reasonable even if they are inline with current pricing (raping?). Reply
Radicchio - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkAs I see it, one big advantage of Chrome is the 'stateless' PC in that if you lose your laptop or it is corrupted, it will automatically download a new boot image and as soon as you log in, restore all your apps and settings.
Windows 7 already provides very this functionality for your Office 2007 settings and Favourites via Live Mesh. What I would like to see is this extended so the entire user profile (up to 5GB) is synchronised automatically and transparently: if my laptop hard drive fails I still need to reinstall Win 7 and my apps, but I then log into Mesh and everything is restored.
A small service running the Windows Easy Transfer utility and Mesh is all that is required and this would also be an ideal way to deal with the build-up of 'Windows cruft'... Reply
ABR - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkI don't get the "it's not the apps, it's the OS" argument. It might be that Windows bogs things down a lot by itself, but in most cases the reason for all the swapping, etc. is -- guess what -- the web browser. Web browsers increasingly attempt to provide a whole OS's worth of GUI and document manipulation possibilities, which are effectively layered over the same stuff provided by the OS. But because of constraints or unplanned development by small teams or whatever else, they've never been particularly efficient. It's not uncommon to see browsers consuming dozens of megabytes per tab. That's millions of bytes of information for a far less interactive display than provided by a typical desktop app.
This is why Apple took the opposite approach with iOS: apps have only one layer of highly-optimized API before getting to the low-level OS and then the hardware. The smoothness i-devices have over others with better hardware is the result.
But in computing, the higher-level model always wins, because hardware overtakes any inefficiency. The Chrome approach might be the future, but it will be in spite of bloat, not because of reducing it. Reply
wumpus - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkThe opening statement claimed that you could reach 90% of personal computers in 1996 by writing for one OS seems unlikely. You could probably run a DOS program on 90%, but it would be much harder to get win 3.1 and windows95 users to run in the DOS penalty box. I know I still played plenty of games (Quake 1 and I'm sure plenty of glade games) in DOS but I think your hypothetical program would get more users if built for win3.1 (but would not be possible on >10% of boxes). Reply
andrewbuchanan - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkI'd rather have a notebook with windows and run chrome in it.
And at 12" you can get a notebook. Might cost alot more than $400, but it'd be able to do alot more as well.
Also the new amd atom alternatives should be fast enough to run windows 7 better and still fall into the $400 price range. Reply
MrSpadge - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkThis is really fascinating! If you trust Google this is.. dare I say the holy grail of computing? A system which just works and which is capable of almost any task most people need to do. Nevermind the curretn hardware implementation, cost for data transfer etc... this could change / improve any day.
Just forget your well managed, high performance main rig for a moment and consider Joe Sixpack in all his computer-illiterate clumsy-ness and what this could do for him! Reply
kevith - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkIs it just me, or are the prices of data insanely expensive? 50 dollars pr month for 5 GB?!!
In my country WLAN with a 4Mb/s usb 3G-modem and 10 GB/month is 160 DKR, which is around 30 USD. My daughter has it, and she has to be careful of what she's doing, because after 10 GB they will not charge extra, but simply lower the speed to 64 Kb/s...
So 100 MB for free is almost a joke.
And that's why I'm very sceptic to all cloudbased computing anyway, or Google OS and its eventual future competitors: We'l be even more tied up to these companies.
(I've just gone totally Linux, can recommend it warmly, it's not that hard anymore, they too have developed.) Reply
Mumrik - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - link"Every player in this space wants to be what Microsoft was during the PC era"
Haha, I think claimed that era has passed might be jumping the gun a bit :-D Reply
rs2 - Thursday, December 09, 2010 - linkA smartphone is not a computer. A tablet might be, but not if it's running the same OS as an iPhone. Similarly, Android, iOS, webOS, BlackBerry OS, Symbian, and MeeGo are not "personal computer" operating systems. Your definition of "personal computer" is so broad that my TI-89 calculator is feeling snubbed for being left out of your article.
Ubiquitous computing doesn't mean that all of a sudden everything that has a web browser in it is a personal computer. There also needs to be parity in terms of capabilities, and today there is definitely not. I wouldn't feel comfortable trying to compose a document or PowerPoint presentation on a smartphone, I wouldn't want to use anything short of a laptop or better for software development and coding, and I just plain can't play most games on anything short of a laptop or desktop either.
Until such discrepancies in functionality are well and truly dealt with, a smartphone is not a tablet, and a tablet is not a personal computer. Reply
name99 - Friday, December 10, 2010 - linkThe comments here are very short-sighted.
The INTERESTING point here is the future of files.
Google has gone down the same road as Apple here, trying to pretend that files do not exist, and providing pretty much zero concessions to their existence in the UI. Both, for example, provide extremely limited ways to share files between silos --- eg you can have multiple PDF readers on your iPad, but you can't read a file that is in one of their silos using one of the other PDF readers.
Presumably Google's theoretical grand strategy here is the claim that you don't need files because whatever would be a file (the canonical example being, eg, a Google Docs spreadsheet) will instead be a whatever-you-call-it living in the cloud.
Apple, in contrast appears to have not even this level of grand strategy to their thinking --- they are winging it month by month, and it will be very interesting to see what iPad2 + iOS5 bring in this regard in a few months.
It's not at all clear that this desperate attempt to pretend that files don't exist is a good idea or something users have been crying out for. Users don't want the HASSLE of managing files, I agree, but I think we can do better than both these two options. Google's option, in particular, strikes me as having the potential for all sorts of future legal fun
(a) Anti-trust --- if all your docs are locked up in Google Docs, they would appear to be a whole lot more securely locked up than anything MS ever achieved. How exactly does a competing spreadsheet/word processor/whatever get into such a market?
(b) Interaction with other individuals --- If I want others to see work I've done on a file, the current paradigms are well understood. I email the file, or copy it to a public folder on a file server, or transfer it using a flash drive. Sharing a google docs type document with just one other person (as opposed to making it publicly viewable) requires a whole new set of paradigms, and while one solution is to send an email URL to the document, there are actually many situations where you what you want to send other people is exactly a static version of what the document looked like then, NOT a live version that reflects every change I (and others) will subsequently make.
I suspect to see much fun and amusement over the next few years as doctors, lawyers, politicians et al discover various ways that Google Docs they try to share (and subsequently modify) leak those new changes to the rest of the world.
(c) Sharing with other programs. I don't want to go all luddite here and go on about the perfection of the UNIX command-line and the way one can flow data through pipelines from one command to another, but I suspect that almost everyone is going to find in time some particular cross-application way of working they utilize, but which others don't know about or care about, so which is not supported in the various (limited and hardwired by the OS manufacturer) ways of sharing that are provided.
All of which makes me think that PCs are not going to go away. It makes sense to keep tablets and phones as simple as possible because the very point of these devices is their form factor. But it ALSO makes sense to retain PCs, with their rich keyboard input (not just typing but modifier keys, function keys etc), and rich UI (menus allow you to create large and powerful programs like Photoshop, or Mathematica, or Dev Studio --- no menus and no easy way of finding how to do things means much simpler programs).
Apple, I think understand this. AND, I think, understand the value of having cloud services available for phones, pads and PCs, they just can't admit this until they have their own cloud infrastructure ready for the public.
Google, I'm not so sure. Google has misfired with respect to UI so often that I'm not at all convinced they understand the needs and desires of most users. So it seems to me that here Google are solving what they think is a problem [and it is a problem], how can we provide a safer, easier, less hassle computing experience, but they AREN'T thinking of the flip side that Apple has more covered, namely what do our users do when they need more power? I suspect Google is being more condescending that Apple here, in that they are assuming most users just don't need "real computers", whereas Apple's strategy is more "use your phone for phone things, use your pad for pad things, and use your mac for everything else". Reply
chewietobbacca - Friday, December 10, 2010 - linkIs great for my mom, who doesn't use her computer for much more than online browsing and work things. But that's also the other problem - some work things won't work without Windows, and I don't see apps reaching what Excel can do for her (she's in accounting)
Right now though, I'm just praying Fusion/Bobcat really are all they're hyped up to be, to take us away from this crap Atom has given us Reply
maxusa - Friday, December 10, 2010 - linkLately Anand made several rather bold conclusions based on wishful thinking and hearsay. Come on, dude, pull your head out of the gutter, you, CEO and founder of one of the most popular technology review publications online.
HINT: If you want to target 90% of personal computers 15 years ago and today, you still develop code against one platform only. Based on multiple sources, Microsoft commands 88-91% of the personal computer market share as of November 2010.
Or, perhaps, Anand is just testing his readership for how much baloney it can swallow? Reply
spiral529 - Friday, December 10, 2010 - linkI think the Citrix Receiver implementation is one of the most exciting aspects of Chrome. Instant access to any enterprise application, including the MS Office suite, could really make it practical for enterprise users.
There is a nice demo of Receiver for Chrome from Tuesday's event. You can view the video at the following URL (Citrix coverage starts around 21:30):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjb5kFLOz_Q&fea... Reply
Conficio - Friday, December 10, 2010 - linkHere is my list of things making this a No Go:
* Configurable alternatives to the Google App Store
* Basic upgradability, more RAM
* Installable VPN, for Open Wifi access. I want to get to the web under my security control. Corporate anybody, enterprise?
* Auto update ? NO, NO, NO! Can you hear me now? This is supposed ot be a "PC" as in personal computer and that is the one thing I won't give up on personal freedom. I want to be in charge as to when I take the risk that my system feezes or stops to function. Not in the midst of a meeting or vacation for that matter. Auto anything must be optional!
* An array of server type apps for my desktops/home servers that make my data there accessible on demand remotely. Why? I can't control that my employer uses non cloud apps, but hopefully I can access those via such server programs I can install. Reply
VooDooAddict - Saturday, December 11, 2010 - linkWhat about dropping this OS on existing Netbooks?
It would open up more potential buyers to the app store and put some of that hardware to use that otherwise sits there unused. Reply
529th - Sunday, December 12, 2010 - linkThis is like a kids OS in terms of being innocent of the other potentials of the internet. Its a good idea but this was the first thing I thought of after reading the app store section. LOL Reply
Hrel - Monday, December 13, 2010 - linkI thought Microsoft was going to do that Sandboxed browser/apps thing way back when Vista came out. I remember specifically reading that that was one of the features of Vista and why it was so important to make sure your CPU supported virtualization.
Alas that never came to pass; now we're here in Windows 7 reading leaked info about Windows 8 and it STILL hasn't happened. For shame $soft, for shame. Reply
rscoot - Monday, December 13, 2010 - linkThe "I'm not an idiot, so I don't need to run antivirus" opinion is horribly outdated. With as many 0 day exploits and drive by hijackings from legitimate websites you can't just say, "I don't search for horse porn and download warez I'm ok" anymore. Unless you don't use any PDF or Flash software (just for a couple of examples) on your PC, you are going to be at risk. Is your risk as high as the average user's? Of course not, but considering how cheap good antivirus software is (Microsoft Security Essentials is free and low footprint), the only reason not to run AV is to cultivate the smug attitude that you're better than people who choose to protect themselves. Reply
TantrumusMaximus - Tuesday, December 14, 2010 - linkTo all of you who commented on the fact Google will house all your personal information... "I SALUTE YOU"
I love my right, my personal right TO USE A CAPS LOCK key when I want to.
I love my right on my PC - PERSONAL Computer to do things "I" want to do today without handing my data to big brother to review every last action I make.
This world is soooooo moving towards the evil futures in many movies where the government makes all your choices for you, knows when you wipe your a$$, knows when you banged your wife, knows all.
SCREW THIS. I hope it burns. Reply
has407 - Saturday, January 01, 2011 - linkAnand -- Thanks again for the food for thought. I too am impatient to get to the end of the story. But I think the trajectory is ordained; timing is the only question. (Timing, not trajectory, seems to always be the most difficult. I remember pontificating in 1998 that, "with 2MBps ubiquitous connectivity, I could jettison most of the weight, power and data storage I have to lug around with my laptop--which is always out of sync with my other machines--grrr. We should be there by 2004-2005". Hah! ever the techno-optimist. :)
Will it replace everything else? No. But IMHO that is irrelevant. The relevant question is: Where will the growth be in the coming years? That growth will be--and demonstrably has been for some time--in services and apps that are web-based or anytime/anywhere (which is simply another way of saying "cloud-based"). That's where the developers and development $ will go, because that's what the vast majority of people want and expect (and will increasingly want and expect).
Yeah, I'll still have my home-based Linux/Win/etc infrastructure, but for most tasks I don't need it, don't (and can't) want to have to lug it around when mobile. That's speaking as an individual... From a corporate perspective there are plenty of options, e.g., "hybrid clouds". But the hard facts are that most organizations--especially smaller organizations--can't provide equivalent SLA's or performance at equivalent cost as public cloud. The differences in economies are off-the-charts compared to what any but the largest organizations can achieve.
See, e.g., "Above the Clouds: A Berkeley View of Cloud Computing":
Maybe there will be a swing of the pendulum back towards something like "person clouds", but my crystal ball doesn't go that far out. :) Reply


text:
NFTE is helping to support today's White House Summit on Financial Capability. NFTE graduates, supporters and staff are all participating in the summit.
During the Youth Showcase portion of the day two graduates will be pitching their business plans to a panel of judges. Anthony Carmona, from NFTE NYC, has a computer repair business, and Stephanie Foxworth, from our Cleveland partner, has a specialty food business and also received the first Ernst & Young Entrepreneur Of The Year Alumni Fund college scholarship at the NFTE Gala. Rodney Walker, another NFTE graduate, will moderate the Promoting Financial Capability through Entrepreneurship Panel.

subset: commoncrawl


text:
|The Bridgehampton Florist outdid themselves at their own table
at this year's Hampton Classic
|Joy Marks, a Hampton Classic
habituee, seemed to have
our colors in mind this year.
The Hampton Classic Horse Show is a bittersweet affair. It's quite the party and attracts an amazing assortment of people. But it's officially the last blast of summer so it's tinged with that strange Labor Day ambivalence: Glad to see the tail lights of the August population who, it's been noticed, seem to more "unruly" this year than in the past. But still, unhappy that this perfectly beautiful summer is coming to an end. Looking forward to revving up our Fall activities. Loathing the idea of leaving this beautiful place to return only on weekends and mostly solo as Andrew's business keeps him in the city. Nevertheless, we certainly celebrated the Classic in style. Michael and Jim are our hosts and The Bridgehampton Florist table was truly a show stopper.
Every year, Michael selects a color scheme and takes it from there. This year, the color purple dominated although I have to say that somehow my camera seems to have registered the table as more blue than purple. The table was filled with clematis blossoms in white ceramic vases. At each place setting were exquisite napkin holders with more clematis blossoms in each one. I can't begin to tell you how many people stopped by to gape at how gorgeous everything was. And this at an event where the table décor is just jaw-dropping-- and much of it the work of Jim and Michael and the wizards at The Bridgehampton Florist. In fact, the editor of "Flowers" Magazine was there specifically to photograph the tables. This new magazine is a glory to behold and we cannot wait to see the feature on our friends. Its editor, Margot Shaw was a guest at our table. Margot, who is from Birmingham AL, has a local connection: She has cousins who have been in East Hampton for years. These two charming ladies also joined us for plenty of local gossip and of course, fashion commentary on everyone who sashayed past our table.
The Bridgehampton Florist did, among something like 15 others, the Bloomberg table for His Honor, the Mayor of the City of New York, Michael Bloomberg (Center) and his companion Diana Taylor (in teal blue hat), seen from our table as they entered the Event.


text:
Happy Saturday ~ For today's Silhouette Saturday feature, I'm showing the "end" result of my 2012 Goal Notebook from last Saturday. The feature was to highlight the KI Memories divider tabs sold in the Silhouette store. This weekend, I'm simply showing how I chose to finish out this mini binder so it's ready to go for next year. As you can see, my intention is to use it for focusing on my *creative* goals for 2012.
As a BONUS for our blog readers, I've included a printable PDF of the inside pages I designed as a FREE DOWNLOAD for you! The calendar isn't dated, so you can print it as many times as you like, and fill in the month / days to your liking. Note that these pages are sized to fit the small patterned Russell+Hazel binder I am using. Page size: 8.375″ tall x 6.375″ wide, with a 5/8″ margin on the left for hole punching. Print on letter size paper & trim out the page at the crop marks.
• Front cover: I painted a loose oval in pink acrylic paint. I sponged it on so the edges were soft instead of having a lot of brush strokes. This binder is also really glossy so I had to paint on several layers to get it to stick and cover up the pattern underneath (still shows a little but I like that). I spray painted a little gold paint onto the pink, then I painted on a layer of Mod Podge to seal the acrylic – which was still a little damp – so it did pull a little of the pink paint off & I liked that effect. With the Mod Podge still wet, I placed my Silhouette cut-out word "goals" onto the area. When the Mod Podge dried, it was stuck down. Finally, I added a Dymo title, some new KI Memories lace tape (from Hot Date Collection), a rhinestone, and I doodled the scallop border using a black Sharpie marker.
• The "goals" word is a new shape we will add to the Silhouette store next week, along with other handwritten items! I cut it from KI Memories white glitter cardstock. I turned the paper glitter side down on the cutting mat, used my red blade trimmer, reversed the word horizontally & double-cut. (I'm currently using the Silhouette SD but will be changing to the Cameo as soon as I have it set up in the studio.)
• On the inside cover, I added a textured envelope, punched the border & threaded bakers' twine through. Also used some (ancient & discontinued) KI Memories acrylic Bubbles. Highlighted the letter K with the small pink bubble, then used a large clear one over it.
• I printed out the inner sheets for my book, trimmed and hole-punched. On the calendar sheet, there is a blank space for a photo, doodle, a quote or whatever you want to add, so have fun with it! I won't add to this until the new year begins & will do something special there at the beginning of each month.
• The Goals page and Rewards page are open so you can fill them in however you like. Structured and neat, or creatively collaged. Be sure to set rewards for meeting your goals for the month!
• For the number labels, I printed these on solid colored cardstock instead of white paper, and I like the punch of color these added to the black & white paper insert pages.
So that's it! I hope you have found this project inspiring. Feel free to post here if you make a project with the divider tabs, we would love to see what you do with them. And if you are new to the Silhouette machine, don't be afraid to get started using it! Once you've got it down, you'll start finding excuses to cut stuff with it!


text:
- Home
- Accommodation
- Services
- Specials
- Photos
- Photo Galleries
- Kangaroo Valley Videos
- Tourism
- News
- Gift Shop
- Reviews
- Contact & About
Illawarra Fly
in Adventure Activities
Tree Top Walk Adventure
There's a 1500 metre warm temperate rainforest walk, with a 500 metre gantry walk at 20-30 metres above the trees with huge views out to the coast. This treetop adventure is 45 minutes from Crystal Creek Meadows. Sydneysiders might want to consider enjoying the Illawarra Fly as part of your journey to or from Kangaroo Valley.
© Crystal Creek Meadows Luxury Cottages & Spa Retreat - country holiday getaway with 41/2 Star self contained B&B accommodation in Kangaroo Valley NSW Australia


text:
Posted 6 years ago
(1 item)
Could someone help me identify this please? It is a hat pin that belonged to my Great Grandmother. Our family originated in Germany , but there were connections with England. We believe she used in between 1860- 1890. We know she had it in 1890's. The head appears to be made of brass or copper and the jewels/stones/ glass (?) are no longer in place. A family member recollects that the stones were amber or amber colour, but she is not certain in her memory. The pin section is just under 3" and the whole hat pin measures about 3 1/2 "
Are you able to help me with the date? manufacturer? style? Anything that would assist us in desribing it to our child who is inquiring about this "family heirloom". Thank you very much.


text: OverviewBack to top Indigo Wild - Wee Bar Goat's Milk Baby Soap Lullaby Lavender - 3 oz. Item# :132283UPC# :663204210295 Brand:Indigo Wild Size/Form:3 oz. Ship Weight:0.20 Indigo Wild Wee Bar Goat's Milk Baby Soap Lullaby Lavender - 3 oz. Indigo Wild Wee Bar is amazing. With double the goat's milk and aloe vera, Indigo Wild Wee Bar is VERY gentle on skin. You can even use it on your baby as shampoo. Most baby shampoos on the market contain a chemical numbing agent so if it gets in the wee one's eyes, it doesn't sting. Really? Chemicals in baby's eyes? That's enough to make anyone cry. And Indigo Wild Wee Bar make a great facial bar for grown-ups too. Why's Goat's Milk? Why? Because goats milk is very good and never ba-ha-ha- ha-had. Goat's milk, the main ingredient in Zum Bars, is naturally ultra-moisturizing, naturally balanced for the skin, and naturally homogenized. (So in case you happen to have a pet goat, you could truly drink the milk straight from the teat. But that would make you creepy and it might freak out your goat.) The truth is, goat's milk is probably the absolute best mix of "good for you" and "good for nature." Unlike commercial soap, goat's milk soap contains capric, caprylic and capronic acids, and the naturally occurring triglycerides. Otherwise known as good fats. These good fats in goat's milk result in a pH level so close to the pH level of your own skin, it helps to moisturize and keep your skin's oils in balance. Goat's milk has a pH level that's as near to skin as a pair of faux leather pants. A pH level that's well balanced for healthy human hair and skin, while commercial soap can dry out the skin to the point at which it feels taut and itchy. The oil glands are forced to counteract, overproducing oils in an attempt to rebalance the pH of the skin. The result can be oily skin, clogged pores, blackheads and yuck - pimples. Goat's milk offers an alphabet soup of vitamins. With its restorative vitamins, minerals and proteins, goat's milk soap simply maintains the balance. And no worries for people who have allergies to usual dairy products or sensitive skin. Naturally-occurring glycerin. Another benefit to using Zum Bar Goat's Milk Soap is the presence of naturally- occurring glycerin. Since they use a cold-processed method, they do not add extra heat which maintains the integrity of the goat's milk, food grade olive, coconut, palm and castor oils and 100% pure essential oils. In the process of saponification, reactions between all of these ingredients produce the soap and a natural byproduct, super-moisturizing glycerin. Many big soap companies remove the glycerin and sell it for extra profit, but not Indigo Wild! It's called glycerin, not glycerout. Glycerin is a natural moisturizer and a humectant, which helps to pull impurities from your skin's pores and leave it moisturized, healed and protected. Three letters: W-O-W. This could be more than you ever wanted to know about goat's milk, but Indigo Wild thinks the point is worth milking. How the Goat's Milk Soap is Made IngredientsLike a drummer must painstakingly select a kit that both sounds great and feels just right, Indigo Wild selects their ingredients to mix perfectly with each other. From the high notes of the pure essential oils, to the syrupy bass of vegetable oils, the product you get is the result of their countless hours of studio time. Process"Cold-processed soap" is the greatest way to allow natural ingredients to jam together without unnecessary meddling. Indigo Wild's technique requires no extra heating or chemical aids for saponification, but relies solely on the heat of the natural reaction between oils (no lard!) and lye. The process preserves the integrity of the ingredients. It keeps the natural occurring glycerin, a major moisturizer, while commercial soap companies sell it as a profitable by-product. For the encore, extra oils are added leaving you with a super moisturizing bar of soap! Pouring & SwirlingOnce the ingredients have had time to do their thing, the recording artists A.K.A. soap makers, step in to bring it all together. A dash of all-natural pigment, a thump of organic herbs, and some steady stirring, and voila! The record (ahem, soap) is almost there! With the concentration of a guitarist mid solo, they pour and swirl like they're high on life, making sure each batch of soap is perfect and oh-so- sexy. All Zum Products Are: Vegetarian Vegan - Except for Zum Bars (Goat's Milk), Zum Kisses (Honey), & Zum Rub (Goat's Milk) Gluten Free - Except for Zum Body Lotions (Oat Bran Extract) & Oatmeal-Lavener Zum Bar (Oatmeal). Rosemary Extract is Gluten Free but Does Contain Soy. Harsh Chemicals Free Cruelty Free Frequently Asked Questions Does Indigo Wild test their products on animals?They do not test their products on animals. They love to test them on themselves and their friends and family. What kind of preservatives does Indigo Wild use? For the products that require preservatives, they use tocopherol (vitamin e), rosemary oleoresin, and potassium sorbate. What is the shelf life of the products?Because Indigo Wild's products are all natural it is best to use them up. Zum Bars can last two years and they are still wonderful! The scent fades over time but it is still a great bar of soap. The lotions should probably be used within a year of the purchase date. Keep all products out of direct sunlight and heat. You can even put them in the refrigerator to extend their shelf life. Do they have any vegan products?All Zum Products are Vegan, Except Zum Bars (Goat's Milk), Zum Kisses (Honey), & Zum Rub (Goat's Milk). Where did they get the name "zum"?Zum is simply a play on the word "some". As in "This sure is "zum" bar of soap!" Dirty Words There are a handful of ingredients Indigo Wild simply avoids when it comes to handmaking their products. These words are not just dirty, they're downright disgusting. Indigo Wild doesn't and will never use the following ingredients: Animal TallowAnimal Tallow or Sodium Tallowate, comes from rendered animal fat. Many rendering companies get their animal lard from road kill.Cocoamidopropyl BetaineCocamidopropyl Betaine is a surfactant, giving detergents their manufactured cleansing and lathering properties. It is a known irritant to skin, eyes, and lungs. Plus, it has been shown it can be carcinogenic.Sulfates/Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS)Sulfates/Sodium lauryl sulfate and its extended family are used in products as an inexpensive foaming agent. It's an eye and skin irritant, and products containing laureth chemicals have been found to contain levels of 1,4 dioxan, which the EPA has classified as a carcinogen.Petroleum By-Products / Mineral Oil Petroleum by-products and Mineral oil are by-products of the distillation of gasoline from oil. It coats skin like plastic, clogging pores and interfering with the skin's ability to eliminate toxins. It slows cell development and skin function. You'll find this inexpensive ingredient in a lot of baby products and lotions.PhthalatesPhthalates are used in perfumes and beauty products to make fragrance last longer. It interferes with the endocrine system, which regulates your body's growth, metabolism, and sexual development and function.TriclosanTriclosan is an antibacterial, antifungal chemical used in many consumer products. Studies by the FDA show it may contribute to bacteria resistance to antibiotics and alters hormone regulations. It is registered as a pesticide with the EPA.ParabensParabens are chemical preservatives found in many body care products and cosmetics. They are linked to breast cancer as they have been found in breast cancer tumors and they mimic estrogen, a hormone known to aid in the development of breast cancer.Artificial ColorsArtificial colors labeled as FD&C are believed to be cancer causing agents.Propylene GlycolPropylene glycol, a chemical derived from natural gas that acts as a penetration enhancer. It can alter the structure of skin by allowing chemicals to penetrate your skin and increase likelihood chemicals will enter the bloodstream.Chemical SunscreensChemical sunscreens absorb in the skin, thus also absorbing the harmful UV light and can cause skin damage, irritation, and increase risk of cancer.DEA/TEADEA/TEA a chemical wetting agent and emulsifier for shampoos, lotions, and creams. They can react with ingredients in cosmetic formulas to form NDEA, a potent carcinogen. NDEA is readily absorbed through the skin and has been linked with stomach, esophagus, liver, and bladder cancers.PEGS or PPGSPEGs or PPGs are synthetic ingredients processed with ethylene oxide which is associated with reproductive effects, central nervous system depression and is an EPA classified carcinogen.Tetrasodium EDTATetrasodium EDTA a preservative made with carcinogens, formaldehyde, and sodium cyanide. It's a penetration enhancer so it breaks down the skin's protective barrier absorbing in the blood stream.Diazolidinyl UreaDiazolidinyl Urea is a preservative that acts as a formaldehyde releaser in body care products. Formaldehyde is classified as a human carcinogen by the EPA. About Indigo WildTheir people were born to be Indigo Wild. And - guilty as charged - every one of them is a true nature's child. They've banded together to thump and bump the rock and soul into every batch of Zum Bars, Glows, Rubs, Kisses, and more. Individually, their peeps are virtuosos who are oh-so major to helping the ingredients sing. But together, they're fusicians who ensure the holistic is always greater than the Zum of its parts. They make Indigo Wild's stuff rock, balancing the rhythm that forms the backbone: Goat's milk, soy wax, jojoba oil, shea butter, argan oil, dragon's blood. They add stuff like meadowfoam seed oil, rosehip oil, and botanical extracts for bass vibes you can feel. Then they bring out the 100% pure essential oils to lay down a melody that hits the high notes. Indigo Wild Trivia & Useless FactsPassing down their pearls of... something. Yes, there's some wisdom in these pearls, too. Call this the "Did you know?" section for everything trivial about Indigo Wild. Herein lies knowledge, Indigo trivia, useless facts, and proof that a few bottles of wine are also a few bottles of inspiration. Enjoy. Did You Know? "Zum" is a made up word? This was where the few bottles of inspiration came in. The Zum font on their labels was designed by Todd, Emily's husband, on a cocktail napkin. Zum Bars contain such a high percentage of essential oils they are considered therapeutic. Stores sellout of the F&M Zum Bar in an average of 4.5 days after receiving it. Betsy, Cathy & Annie's brother Joe owns an all natural dry cleaning company called Hangers. Tina hand-pours many of the products. Tina's husband John Paul is a famous harmonica player. Julie & Mary label all of the products. They stop packing & production every day so they can all eat lunch together. Aaaah, ain't that sweet. Some days they have as many as 16 dogs in the building. Zum Tub bath salts are jacuzzi-safe. Myrrhy is the dog featured on the Y.U.M. products & he was named after Frankincense & Myrrh. Shea butter is a natural sunscreen. Ylang ylang & patchouli are natural aphrodisiacs. Rosemary Mint Zum Mist is great for hangover headaches. Bobbi Brown has Zum Rub in her drawer. (as seen on Oprah) A well known plastic surgeon uses Zip's Scab Dab to help reduce scars. You can call Indigo Wild any time if there are more things you want to know. Andre, the soap cutter can also cut a rug. Causes Indigo Wild Supports:Indigo Wild loves dogs and hates breast cancer. Many of their own pups are rescues, and they are active in Kansas City Sheltie Rescue. They also have some badass cancer fighters in their ranks, and they're working with some great local charities to support cancer warriors. Where The Indigo Wild Things AreBefore Indigo Wild touches your body, it touches these bodies. No worries, Indigo Wild is not showering with your soap singing "I'm Too Sexy" before they ship it off to you. They are talking handcrafted, handmade, hand-mixed, hands-on…which is all pretty dang handsome. So take a spin with Indigo Wild's handy work. It's mixed and mashed with 100% pure essential oils, shea butter, meadowfoam seed oil, soy wax, goat's milk, botanical extracts and other jujulicious ingredients. It all helps to carry on some karma and magnify the mojo. Then it's flashed by the butt of a gnome, danced over by a shaman, kissed by a fairy and blessed by a goat.


text:
High-Level Debate: Statement by Ambassador Berger on Entrepeneurship and Development
(Statement as delivered by Ambassador Berger in a High-Level Debate on "Entrepeneurship and Development")
"At the outset I would like to thank the President of the General Assembly for organizing this important debate. The overwhelming support that the entrepreneurship resolution received last fall showed that there is a clear need to promote entrepreneurship in the United Nations.
Young people pronounced an urgent call for favourable conditions for young and small enterprises last year (during the ECOSOC event on employment and productive capacities). They pointed rightly at the fact that the 73 mio. unemployed young people will most probably not be able to find a job in the near future in existing enterprises. And they do not want to wait, but to take their fate in their own hands and create enterprises themselves. We applaud their courage and ambition and stand ready to support them.
Entrepreneurship, the promotion of young, small and medium-sized enterprises [SMEs] as well as the preservation of good framework conditions are at the very heart of German economic policy. We are convinced that entrepreneurship and the promotion of entrepreneurship have significantly contributed to Gemany's economic success and development. The effects of entrepreneurship on development are visible:
- 99.6% of German enterprises are SMEs – that are enterprises with less than 500 employees-. Most of these enterprises are so called "family enterprises". Even some of the German well known brands are still family enterprises run by enterpreneurs who take over the full personal responsibility.
- One German specialty are entrepreneurs who we call "hidden champions". Estimates say that more than half of the all SMEs who are leaders in the world market in their field come from Germany. And these enterprises are the basis of Germany's export success giving us resilience and income.
- 4 out of 5 apprentices (1.3 mio. in 2011) are trained in SMEs. These apprenticeships give us a highly qualified workforce and help us to disseminate technology in the entire economy.
- German SMEs are among the most innovative enterprises in Euroe. More than sevent out of ten Euros that are invested in research and development come from SMEs and 54% of them produce a process- or product innovation every second year.
Why is this the case? Important factors are based on institutional structures that the enterprises created, policies that the government implements in their support and a social dialogue between employers, trade unions and the government:
- availability of a highly qualified workforce,
- a well organized system of Chambers of Commerce,
- a regional network of locally anchored savings and cooperative banks,
- tight relations between enterprises and universities,
- anti-trust policy, procurement provisions that give SMEs a chance, bankruptcy legislation that gives entrepreneurs a second chance and a multitude of support programmes starting from school.
Let me finish by recalling a German expression that sometimes is forgotten: it is the "ehrlicher Kaufmann", the "honest businessman". It stands for entrepreneurs who are interested in long-term relationships, provide good products and services to their customers and be a valuable member of their community. Here at the United Nations we speak about "corporate social responsibility". The United Nations Global Compact who promotes the values of the United Nations and helps enterprises to integrate them into their business policies. It has been understood now that CSR is not a charitable undertaking, but risk mitigation that makes perfect sense in business terms. Some of the 100 Local Networks of the Global Compact also promote the exchange of knowledge about business practices in general and therefore we would like to suggest that they should form the nexus of an exchange of knowledge for the promotion of entrepreneurship.
I thank you for your attention."


text:
(Repair)ologie Shampoo to Stop Hair Breakage and Residue Build-Up
For the high and dry alpine environment, this was the ONLY shampoo/conditioner combo. that saved my hair from becoming the consistency of hay. Up here you can't go with cheap stuff. Down at sea level my hair was so oily I had to skip the conditioner every other day. Up in the mountains, you better condition or you will be swimming in a sea of split ends! Thanks to Infusium Repairology, I have my silky locks back!


text:
ANTHONY Watson believes Bath can salvage their season by lifting the Amlin Challenge Cup after they were squeezed out of the Aviva Premiership play-offs.
Having occupied the top four for most of the season, Bath slipped to fifth on the final day of the season after a narrow 19-16 defeat to Harlequins, who moved into fourth.
It was a bitter blow for Mike Ford's side, who have engendered fresh optimism at the Rec this term, thanks to the emergence of eye-catching youngsters such as Ollie Devoto, Kyle Eastmond and Jonathan Joseph – not to mention Watson and George Ford.
Indeed, both Watson and Ford junior were nominated for The Land Rover Discovery of the Season award, presented to the best player aged 23 years or under, at the Aviva Premiership Rugby Awards on Thursday.
Saracens No.8 Billy Vunipola ended up collecting the gong but Watson believes just being nominated is testament to how Bath have performed this season, urging his side to end on a high when they face Northampton in Cardiff on Friday.
"It's a massive honour to be nominated along with some quality players like Billy Vunipola, George Ford and Jamie Elliott – they've all been outstanding this season," he said.
"I think it's a reflection of the team as a whole, the forwards have allowed myself and George to play and given us good enough ball to be able to do that.
"[Missing out on the top four] was a bitter pill to swallow, it was a tough game, credit to Quins, they performed pretty well on the day but that being said it could have gone either way on the day, if George makes the drop goal at the end then it's a draw and we would have gone through.
"Looking to the Amlin now, there's a buzz around the side, it's a cup final and hopefully we can reward them with some silverware. I'm massively excited to be honest, being able to experience it at 20 years of age is going to put me in good stead for the future, I think it's going to be a great experience."
Watson played in all but one of Bath's Premiership matches and has played a key role in their Amlin Challenge Cup campaign – not bad for someone who turned 20 in February.
Having been part of the England training squad for the Six Nations, Watson will be hoping to win his first senior international camp this summer in New Zealand.
But any thoughts of a summer tour have been put out of his mind with silverware on the line this weekend.
"I just came to Bath with the mindset to try and improve as a player, I didn't really think about playing week in and week out," he added.
"I just came with the mindset that the coaches are best in the Premiership, the facilities are excellent, there are no excuses for me not to fulfill my potential at Bath and I'm just trying to get better every time I take to the training field.
"At the start the season I just wanted to get better as a player and improve and improve and improve and I just want to try and keep doing that.
"I've got a cup final to deal with first and hopefully we'll win it and then my thoughts will turn to New Zealand and hopefully I'll be going."
Be part of the world's biggest club rugby final. Buy your tickets for the Aviva Premiership Rugby Final on 31 May at Twickenham from www.tickethour.co.uk/premierrugby


text:
PHILADELPHIA – A valiant effort from Penn to match Florida Gulf Coast despite playing down a man for the majority of the match went for naught on Friday night, as the Eagles tallied a goal in the final minute of the first overtime to down the Quakers, 3-2, at Rhodes Field.
Stephen Baker was issued two yellow cards before the match was 24 minutesold, putting the Red and Blue at a man disadvantage quickly. Those yellows were part of a litany of bookings in the match, with eight different yellow cards issued as two teams who had never met previously went toe-to-toe.
Just under 10 minutes after Baker was sent off, FGCU struck first on a Santiago Echeverri goal in the 32nd minute. Skylar Wilks crossed in a ball from the left flank, and Echeverri got just enough on it with his head to find the inside of the right post.
Four and a half minutes later, the Quakers tied the match on a goal from Sam Hayward. The freshman was alone on the right post, and he softly slipped a shot past the keeper off an assist from a Louis Schott flick.
Penn found itself behind early in the second half following a goal by Luis Vega in the 52nd minute. On a FGCU free kick following a foul two yards outside the penalty area, Vega curled a ball to the left post to give the Eagles their second lead of the night.
The Red and Blue would again show their mettle, rallying for a second time while short a man. Duke Lacroix was the goal scorer this time, easily tapping in a ball at the goal line in the 68th minute. Louis Schott started the play from about 30 yards out, finding Matt Poplawski down the right side. The freshman lunged into the ball, sliding it through the keeper and toward goal. Lacroix ensured there were no issues, stepping into the ball to tie the match.
The Eagles carried the brunt of play after the Quakers tied the match, forcing Tyler Kinn to come up big in goal for Penn. He made two saves following Lacroix's tying goal – part of a six-save night. His biggest save came in the 83' when he denied Isiah Madrid from in tight. In the final moments of regulation, the Quakers had a chance to beat the clock and steal a win. Sophomore Forrest Clancy, in his first appearance after recovering from a knee injury suffered early last season, had a run down the left in the final ten seconds, but his offering was just outside the far post and proceedings moved to overtime.
Clancy had a chance in the 94' to ice the game, but his boot was blocked. The shot resulted in a corner for Penn, but the Red and Blue were unable to mount a true attack off the set piece. Madrid would counter for the Eagles, but Kinn was up to the challenge for his final save of the night.
With time winding down in the first overtime, Echeverri knocked down a ball at the top of the box and slid it to Felipe DeSousa on the run. FGCU's leading scorer had all the room he needed, and his low shot just beat Kinn's hands to clinch the first win of the season for Florida Gulf Coast.
The Quakers are back in action on Rhodes Field Sunday at noon against Florida International.
Download: FGCU.pdf


text:
Hello ror developers.I Have a small Ruby on Rails program on a MAC home computer, and wan't to use this home computer, at the same time, as a web server with this same Ruby on Rails program being connectable from Internet and another of my computers.I ask this question here because many rails developers has mac knowledge.
ABOUT THE PROGRAM on home computer, local use: Pointing home computer to:http://localhost:3000/user/list responds "hello world" as expected.user and list is controller and action.So this Ruby on Rails program works well enough through the local server, Mongrel I guess.I know my Home computer IP address: http://nn.nnn.nnn.nn.bredband.3.dk/~erikaaaa/, This information is available from Mac System preferences if you set the WEB SHARE flag to ON then you can read the IP address.
CONNECTING TO HOME COMPUTER FROM ANOTHER COMPUTER, remote use. Now, I wish to run the Rails program from another computer, actually the program is a browser on my Windows Mobile Phone which has its own internet connection.
Pointing the Windows Mobile Phone to:
http://nn.nnn.nnn.nn.bredband.3.dk/~erikaaaa/ responds the index.html page which is located on home computer in the (home) Sites folder.
Pointing the Windows Mobile Phone to: http://nn.nnn.nnn.nn.bredband.3.dk/ responds a page with the text "it works", I don't know where this page is located???
Something surely works.
I think that these 2 requests are answered automatically by the mac os, the mac os respond when it receives a http request. Some server is in action, but which server, is it build into mac os. Mogrel is stopped and I have not started another.
Comments and answeres are very much appriciated.
kind regardsErik
Home computer: mac mini, snow leopard, internet connection over USB broadbandPhone: Samsung i780, os = Windows Mobile 6.0.
downtrodenthanks for the answer
I tried localStarted the mongrel server from just within then application folder.By this process I think that Mongrel is configured to point to the beginning of the application. Pointed to http://localhost:3000 Safari responded with WELCOME ABOARD as expected
I tried externalPointed to http://nn.nnn.nnn.nn.bredband.3.dk:3000the browser responded: searching, opening.... TIMEOUT while processing
I tried external + userPointed to http://nn.nnn.nnn.nn.bredband.3.dk/~eriknnnn:3000the browser responded: NOT FOUND the requested URL /~eriknnnn:3000 was not found on this serverAlso there is no activity registered on the Terminal window.
can you give a possibility
downtrodenRight, turned off firewall andIT all WORKS NOW
thanks a lot
(I will think about bringing the app into Apache server as you suggested)
do by chance have the firewall on, blocking access to port 3000?
the problem is that when you come at it from an external device, you're using the wrong url. The url you're given in the control panel is for the built in apache server that's installed with the OS, which communicates via port 80… you want 3000.
You can do one of two things. Integrate your rails instance into the apache server (if you expect high traffic to site or just want a :3000less url) OR just use http://nn.nnn.nnn.nn.bredband.3.dk:3000 from your phone/external machine. That'll use the mongrel server that rails runs on.
if you wanted to list only names and phone numbers, you could create phone.rhtml, accessible via http://localhost:3000/addresses/phone.
yes, if I point to: http://localhost:3000/addresses/phone , from my HOME COMPUTER it WILL WORK.
but if I point from another computer or a phone it will not work.
that is the problem


text:
The Crap We Missed – Tuesday 1.29.13
Welcome to Tuesday's The Crap We Missed brought to you not only by Kate Upton's, but also Kelly Brook's considerable uh, talents. They want you to buy things and you should, because their breasts asked nicely. And as if to completely negate those two perfect, bulging examples of capitalism in its finest moment, we've also got Brandi Glanville at her book signing. She titled it 'Drinking & Tweeting and other Brandi Blunders' so, you know what? Instead of continuing here, I'm just going to gaze at my state school diploma for a while and sob for humanity.
"Yes Dad, my advisor said there's tons of career options for Communications majors." *hangs up phone, heads to happy hour for 50 cent beers* - Photo Boy, circa 2001
Click Here To Start The Gallery
Photo: Bauer-Griffin, Fame/Flynet, Getty, INFdaily, Pacific Coast News, Splash News, WENN