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HOUSTON - During the summer, kids are out being active and that could mean accidents and broken bones.
Doctors at Texas Children's Hospital know as the temperature rises, so does the number of children going into the emergency room with broken bones.
"They may jump from anything -- a swing or a slide or jump off a climbing device and land wrong on their leg and twist and sustain a fracture that way," said Dr. William Phillips, Chief of Pediatric Orthopedics.
"I would say the two most common pieces of equipment we see injuries from are trampolines resulting in fractures; and playgrounds, which tend to be in public areas, pools or parks or things like that," said Dr. Phillips.
Pediatric Orthopedic Surgeon Dr. Scott Rosenfeld told Local 2 the most common pediatric fracture is a forearm or wrist fracture.
"Kids tend to fall on an outstretched arm and will break the forearm just above the wrist," said Dr. Rosenfeld.
He warns parents to make sure they seek proper treatment for fractures in children who are still growing.
"If they fracture through a growth plate, then that can cause long-term growth abnormality," said Dr. Rosenfield. "If the growth plate is injured or it is not realigned appropriately, the growth plate could stop growing completely. He could end up with a short arm or a short leg or it could partially stop growing and he could end up with an arm or leg that grows crooked."
Dr. Rosenfeld said he is operating on about three children a day with fractures this summer.
They are seeing as many as 60 patients with broken bones a week at the TCH Pediatric Fracture Clinic.
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Revelations about the scope and extreme secrecy of the government's surveillance programs show deep flaws in the legal boundaries surrounding those programs.
This is in large part due to dangerous provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act.
The powers the PATRIOT Act grants to the executive branch were dangerously broad when it was passed, and they're dangerously broad now. It seems evident neither the standard of judicial review for the authorization of surveillance activities nor the one-sided nature of the process has adequately protected Americans' constitutional rights to privacy and due process.
It's time to repeal some of the PATRIOT Act's most troubling provisions. Specifically, Section 215: the business records provision (a.k.a. the "library records provision"); Section 206: the roving wiretap provision; and Section 6001 of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevent Act: the so-called "lone wolf" provision, need to be addressed -- most urgently Sec. 215, under which the much publicized Verizon phone records were collected.
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A MOTORCYCLIST has died following a collision on the A31 in the early hours of this morning.
The 31-year-old local man was found lying on the road near Corfe Mullen by a member of the public shortly before 12.30am today.
Although police and ambulances raced to the scene, he tragically couldn't be saved.
A spokesperson from Dorset Police said: "At 12.30am on Sunday, June 22, a single vehicle fatal road traffic collision took place on the A31 at Corfe Mullen.
"The rider of a motorcycle, a 31-year-old local male, was travelling westbound when he lost control of his grey Yamaha bike.
"He fell from the machine, sustaining serious injuries.
"He was sadly pronounced deceased at the scene. The next of kin have been informed."
PC 373 Savage of Poole Traffic Department is appealing for any witnesses to contract Dorset Police on 101, quoting incident number 22:12.
The A31 was closed overnight following the crash, both ways between the A350 Poole Road Roundhouse Roundabout and the B3078 Lake Gates Roundabout.
The road was closed for approximately eight hours.


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I picked up a turkey breast last week for the sole purpose of having lunch meat this week. Used the Tony Chachere's Jalapeno Butter injection for some kick and rubbed it down with Dizzy Pig's Swamp Venom.
Threw it on the Egg with some apple wood chips for smoke. I had some serious issues with temperature. I was shooting for 400 (which the dome temp was reading). I'm used to having the dome temp not match the probe temp at the grate, but for most of the cook it was reading under 300....more like 250ish. I gave it plenty of time to heat up, but still. Oh well, it wasn't dinner and we weren't doing anything but watching movies so I wasn't in a rush. Here's one hour in.
IN the hour and a half it took to cook, my Maverick finally hit 300. I'm just not trusting this thing anymore. Its old. Probably should check the probes to see how accurate they are. Oh well, like I said, we weren't doing anything.
Pulled it at 160, double checked with my Thermapen. Loosely covered it with foil and let it rest on the counter for about 30 minutes. Did snag a few small slices, quality control and all that. Once it had cooled a bit, into the fridge it went to sleep overnight. Next morning, I got up, pulled out my slicer and went to town.
Made quick work of it. Really digging the slicer. Not the best in the world, but its gonna do just fine for us.
That should keep me in lunchmeat for awhile. Think I might have to freeze some for later as I won't be able to eat all that by myself before it goes bad.
Flavor was spot on for what I was looking for. Nice amount of smoke, not overpowering. Had a bit of bite from the DP and the injection. Texture was right on and sliced paper thin. Way better than any store bought stuff. Definitely gonna make some good sandwiches for the week. I am one happy camper.


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COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Bills to curb gun violence, improve ballot access, support stable families and address how public schools are funded are among priorities of state Senate Democrats headed into the new session.
Senate Democratic Leader Eric Kearney, of Cincinnati, said at a Tuesday unveiling that the fact his 10 members are the first legislative caucus to announce their policy priorities shows they're "ready to work" and put aside partisan differences.
"It's always best to work with people when you can and only fight with people when you have to," said Kearney's No. 2, Sen. Joe Schiavoni.
Republican Senate President Keith Faber said senators of both parties want to improve Ohio's economy and will work together on that.
"I'm sure we'll find areas of disagreement along the way, but I'm committed to making sure that all points of view are considered in the development of our policy initiatives," Faber said in a statement.
Kearney said Democrats are working to craft a proposal to reduce gun-related tragedies, a particular focus following last month's Newtown, Conn., elementary school shooting, in which a gunman killed 20 first-graders and six school administrators before committing suicide.
He said whether the bill recommends an assault weapons ban will depend on input Sen. Shirley Smith, of Cleveland, is gathering from a host of interest groups on all sides of the issue, including gun rights groups.
Kearney said debate should not be cast as a battle over the right to bear arms.
"I support the Second Amendment of the Constitution, as I do all the other amendments to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights," he said. "So that's not really the issue, in my view."
The caucus also will propose a bill addressing Ohio election practices that its members saw as suppressing the vote in 2012, including rules for counting provisional ballots and a uniform statewide voting schedule that represented reduced hours in some large counties.
State Sen. Nina Turner, of Cleveland, said the vote is "the great equalizer" and said it was "trampled upon last year" through intimidation and limits to access. She said people "shouldn't have to jump hurdles to be able to vote."
Secretary of State Jon Husted, a Republican who set the uniform hours, defended the 2012 election process and questioned Democrats' allegations of suppression. He said Ohio residents had more opportunities than ever to vote, including more than five weeks of early voting by mail.
Another Democratic bill will propose phasing down school districts' reliance on local property taxes as a way to address Ohio's unconstitutional funding system, eventually requiring districts to kick in no more than 20 mills, or $2,000 for every $100,000 of property value, toward the cost of their schools unless they choose to. Sponsoring Sen. Tom Sawyer said it's a distribution proposal, not a funding proposal, and could dovetail with "a wide range of funding proposals" that might arise in Republican Gov. John Kasich's upcoming school funding bill.
State Sen. Charleta Tavares, of Columbus, said she's proposing creation of a state Family Stability Commission aimed at tackling poverty by keeping more families together. She said two-thirds of black children grow up in single-parent homes, which increases their chances of being poor.
A similar central Ohio commission gathered a host of creative ideas, including charging less for a marriage license for those who receive pre-marital counseling and 30-day timeouts before a divorce.
"The marriage contract," Tavares said, "should be at least as difficult to break as a contract for lawn services."
Sen. Edna Brown, of Dayton, said she's got a bill giving school buildings with 50 percent of children or more receiving free and reduced-price lunches the option of opening year-round as summer feeding sites.
Requiring all Ohio public colleges and universities to offer opportunities for course credit to military veterans for service experiences, such as being a medic or pilot, is another proposal Democrats will bring forward.


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Anyone know if there really is a thread for this? I Googled the title as shown in quotes and it didn't give me any results. Without quotes gave me the xkcd forums as well as some Creationist stuff. 188.8.131.52 07:39, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
-- Haha! I did exactly the same, but in the hour and a half since you searched, some enterprising soul has created what appears to be a tribute thread at [1]. PabloVergos (talk) 08:57, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Also, 0.999... ≠ 1 and the government covered it up. 22.214.171.124 00:35, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
The explanation for the third post should make note of the situation where you hang a flywheel (e.g. a bicycle wheel) by each end of its axis using cords, spin the wheel then cut one cord, and the bicycle wheel will keep spinning in the same position! There was a YouTube video for this, but I cannot find it, there must be more people who know what I'm talking about. It has something to do with centripetal (No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die). :) 22.214.171.124 05:32, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
I did some digging and found http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=29697&page=4 Not sure if it has any relation, but it's hard to believe its a coincidence that the thread is from 2004 and the final comment is "I think this thread has run its course, and I'm getting tired of deleting crackpot posts from it. Any objections? Good." Ornj (talk) 09:36, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Can anyone identify the icons at the left of the three postings in the comic? The first looks to be a generic head, but the second is a device of some kind, with (perhaps) a push-button, and a wire leading from and connecting back to the device. The third might be a person standing next to a Tesla coil or Van de Graaff generator. Vere Nekoninda (talk) 14:42, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
The second device is a power strip plugged into itself. Free energy, after all.
This thread lives on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E
Perpetual Motion Machines are not free energy. For that to happen, you need it to output more energy than it uses :( SilverMagpie (talk) 16:53, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
Rational Wiki
Alright I have no problem with giving a link to rational wiki but can someone explain to me why we are redirecting people there when it has significantly less credible citations than wikipedia's pseudoscience page?--Lackadaisical (talk) 20:29, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
What started with a single click on Wikipedia's "self-replicating machine" page has led to an ever-increasing number of tabs in my browser containing articles on self-replication. Please help. --22.214.171.124 23:13, 16 July 2016 (UTC)


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DETROIT - A method of learning is under some scrutiny after critics questioned how well a child is learning using the method known as unschooling.
Unschooling, the unstructured approach to education, allows the child to choose what he or she learns and when to learn it.
The method is a controversial subset of homeschooling, but unlike homseschoolers, unschoolers don't follow a curriculum
Some parents choose unschooling to allow their child to take charge of their learning, by learning at their own pace, with no timetable, no required textbooks, and no tests.
Children are allowed to set the agenda using their parents and their community as learning resources.
Some parents like the idea of unschooling, saying that children are naturally driven to learn and will do so if left to their own devices, according to a CBC News report.
They also believe mainstream schooling disconnects kids from that passion.
Critics of the method argue there's little evidence that unschooling produces a better educated adult and few parents can actually afford to educate this way, CBC News reports.
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Battle for the Elephants (Ep. 4): Massive Ivory Stockpile
"And you can smell it; it's almost like dried blood. There is the smell of death in here. All of these are confiscated trophies." Reports investigative journalist, Aidan Hartley. We've just been given exclusive access to an astonishingly vast warehouse of government owned ivory in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.
For our series finale, Aidan meets with Khamis Kagasheki, minister of natural resources in Tanzania, which stores the world's largest stockpile of elephant tusks in the world — 90 metric tons. Kagasheki agrees to allow us to take the first-ever footage of the vast warehouse that stores thousands of tusks, valued at $50 million.
Battle for the Elephants (Ep. 3): The China Ivory Market
According to Bryan Christy, these two sales gave cover to ivory smugglers in China, and the underground market exploded. According to CITES, 25,000 elephants were killed in Africa last year, though other observers say it could be many more. In Tanzania alone, poachers kill 30 elephants a day. The International Fund for Animal Welfare estimates that 84 percent of the ivory sold in China is illegal.
Since the opening up of the Chinese market and the growth of its economy, ivory, once a precious material available only to the ruling elite, has become increasingly available to the growing Chinese middle class.
A luxury goods store in Beijing allowed our cameras into their showroom where Christy explains how those auctions complicate what's for sale legally and what's not.
Battle for the Elephants (Ep. 2): Criminal Traders Exposed
Through a taxing series of twists and turns, I find myself on assignment in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, about to go undercover with Aidan Hartley. Hartley is a seasoned war correspondent and investigative journalist, and no greenhorn when it comes putting his life on the line to get a story.
Our goal is time sensitive and dangerous: capture video of criminal ivory traders selling poached ivory. Once embedded, we have just a 3-day window to operate in the city; we fear pushing our investigation further could trigger the slaughter of more elephants.
Battle for the Elephants (Ep. 1): The Plight of the Elephant
With just seven days remaining before Bryan Christy's Blood Ivory article hits the newsstands, we're down to the wire. A complete story is within our grasp, but it's uncomfortably obvious that we don't yet have enough. Our legal team insists that we remove ourselves from the field before "Blood Ivory" is released. Sensing the pressure, the reality is that we either deliver now or come up short.
Anticipating the scramble, we had split into two teams. I'm on the ground in Dar es Salaam posing as an ivory buyer with Aidan Hartley. Our goal is simple: capture the bad guys on film, red handed. Our second team is in China, their objective is much more complex: explore the driving forces behind the growing demand for ivory.
Battle for the Elephants: Web Series Intro
According to CITES experts, more than 25,000 elephants—an estimated 12 percent of the world's elephant population—were killed in Africa last year alone, and some say the numbers could be much higher.
In a new Web series, National Geographic filmmakers share their experiences documenting the illegal ivory trade. Follow journalists Bryan Christy and Aidan Hartley as we go undercover and inside the criminal network behind ivory's supply and demand.
1,000 Miles to Blister Town: What is West
It always starts with a crazy idea, doesn't it? Let's quit our jobs. Then say goodbye to the comforts of home finding new horizons to experience each passing day. It's a common enough story, but the path chosen do to achieve it might be the most interesting detail. The amount of self-inflicted hardship folded into the equation speaks volumes about the constitution of the traveler.


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Developing scholars who are competent and caring educators, committed to a spirit of service and learning
This phrase serves as the theme and philosophical basis that guides the "dynamics" of the teacher education program at Georgetown College.
This philosophy embraces an ethic of caring coupled with excellence in curriculum design and professional practice. These concepts are best expressed in the program model depicted above, which includes three primary domains:
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A variety of classroom and on-campus experiences, extensive fieldwork, and continuous counseling and evaluation of students are integral components of the Teacher Education Program, and serve to meet the following objectives:
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Nation's first unit train-to-pipeline distribution system and intermodal hub nears completion at Port of Tampa
TAMPA, Fla. Sept. 21, 2012 – Construction is nearing completion on the Tampa Gateway Rail terminal, a collaborative project undertaken by CSX Corporation (NYSE: CSX), the Tampa Port Authority (TPA) and Kinder Morgan Energy Partners, L.P. (NYSE: KMP). This innovative intermodal project, announced last year as a public-private partnership, will not only bring fuel-grade ethanol into the Tampa market more efficiently and safely via the nation's first ethanol unit train-to-refined products pipeline distribution system, but also provide Florida its first on-dock unit train intermodal container capability.
For its part, the TPA built new rail track and support infrastructure to handle 96-car unit train deliveries, as well as a multi-product unit train offloading yard at Hooker's Point, in the Port of Tampa. Kinder Morgan invested in new pipelines to transport the ethanol from the rail offloading facilities to its Tampa terminal where it can be distributed to other Tampa terminals for blending or transported to Orlando for gasoline blending at Kinder Morgan's Orlando terminal.
"We're very pleased to be a part of an innovative and efficient logistics solution to providing Tampa and central Florida markets with ethanol," said Tom Bannigan, Kinder Morgan's products pipeline president. "We expect this facility to readily accommodate anticipated growth in central Florida biofuels demand."
Designed to also handle intermodal containers and other general cargo traffic, the new Tampa Gateway Rail facility is adjacent to the Port's container terminal. It provides direct access to the CSX rail network, enhancing the Port's container rail service offering. The Port of Tampa Container Terminal, operated by Ports America, currently encompasses 40 acres, with phased expansion planned to over 160 acres on adjacent land owned by the Tampa Port Authority and ready to be developed as the business grows. The terminal is currently served by three rail mounted gantry cranes and a 100 ton mobile harbor crane with 2800 linear feet of berth and 43 water depth alongside the berth and in the channel.
The Gateway Rail project will reduce the ethanol delivery carbon footprint through a more efficient use of rail capacity and pipeline movements, while also easing truck traffic. Further, the project promotes use of biofuels, known for having less impact to air quality.
"This is a tremendous intermodal project that will deliver benefits to multiple customers and commodities throughout the supply chain, as well as the environment," said Charles Klug, interim port director and chief executive. "Just as important is the spirit of absolute partnership that went into the project from the beginning."
"CSX and its subsidiary TRANSFLO are pleased to participate in this efficient solution to deliver ethanol to the Central Florida market," said Clarence Gooden, executive vice president and chief commercial officer, CSX. "This cooperative venture also enhances future cargo growth opportunities for CSX and the Port of Tampa."
Kinder Morgan will expand its ethanol receipt and distribution system within its terminal at the Port of Tampa and modify its 2-mile, 8-inch Inter-Terminal Transfer (ITT) pipeline to move denatured ethanol from its terminal to all Hooker's Point terminals for blending and distribution to the market. The joint effort is expected to be operational in late fall 2012. The TPA and CSX are investing more than $10.9 million to construct and open the rail facilities to handle these cargo operations.
An on-site inauguration ceremony, slated for September 25, will include key partners and stakeholders hammering ceremonial spikes into the ground, including Florida Congresswoman Kathy Castor and Florida Department of Transportation Secretary Ananth Prasad. Other distinguished representatives will include Clarence Gooden, executive vice president and chief commercial officer, CSX; Tom Bannigan, president, products pipelines, Kinder Morgan; Jim Lelio, director, business development and national biofuels manager; William 'Hoe' Brown, chairman, Tampa Port Authority; Charles Klug, interim port director and chief executive, Tampa Port Authority; and Zelko Kirincich, deputy port director of operations, Tampa Port Authority.


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Lane Ranger: Williston Road/34th Street intersection 'ludicrous'
Published: Sunday, March 10, 2013 at 9:41 p.m.
Last Modified: Sunday, March 10, 2013 at 9:41 p.m.
The configuration of turn lanes and signals at the Williston Road/34th Street intersection creates some dangerous situations, said reader Edward Harpe.
Southbound drivers turning right onto Williston use a slip lane with a yield rather than full stop. Harpe said the angle of the lane creates a blind spot when looking left for oncoming traffic. Drivers who come to a stop to look for oncoming traffic risk getting hit from behind, he said.
Some people avoid the turn lane and go directly to the traffic signal, Harpe said, but a sign forbidding right turns is now on the signal structure. Meanwhile, eastbound traffic on Williston Road is allowed to make U-turns at the intersection.
"This is ludicrous. We permit U-turns at this dangerous intersection but you can't turn right after a complete stop without breaking the law," Harpe said. "We all know the angle of the road cannot be changed, but at least remove the sign ... so you can legally make a right turn. Remove the U-turn sign, which is a definite hazard at a busy intersection, and install a right turn signal light."
City of Gainesville traffic operations manager Phil Mann said the city requested the sign banning right turns because the existence of the right-turn lane makes it illegal to turn right at the intersection.
"GPD was enforcing this and (we) were asked to have a sign installed to make drivers aware of the law," Mann said in an email. "As to the U-turn, the Florida Department of Transportation installed the medians to make the roadway segment between the Interstate and 34th Street safer. Many visitors through our city exit I-75 … to get fuel, food or purchase other products. The median made the segment safer by forcing all of the traffic to go the intersection to make the U-turn at one place instead of the many left turns from Williston Road into the gas stations or restaurants, or random U-turns to get back onto I-75 Northbound."
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Woman arrested after calling 911 8 times
Published: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 at 8:55 a.m.
Last Modified: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 at 8:55 a.m.
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. — Police arrested a woman who repeatedly called 911 to report a burglary at her home.
Daytona Beach police say 43-year-old Dedra Jones called dispatchers to report that her home had been broken into this week. But when police didn't arrive quickly enough for her, she called again. And again.
The Daytona Beach News-Journal reports Jones now faces charges of abusing the 911 system.
Records show Jones told dispatchers she knew who took her stuff, that she was going to the suspect's house and that she needed to talk to a supervisor. The dispatcher told her after the seventh call that she'd be arrested if she kept calling 911.
An arriving officer says she ignored him because she was calling 911 for an eighth time. That's when Jones was arrested.
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NVIDIA SLI Performance Preview with MSI's nForce4 SLI Motherboardby Anand Lal Shimpi on 10/29/2004 5:06 AM EST
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darkrequiem - Tuesday, November 16, 2004 - linkWhat I'd really like to see is how Doom3 performs with this SLI setup running in Ultra quality mode. They recommend a 512MB card for this mode, and here we have a total of 512MB between the two cards. It'd be interresting to see how many FPS can be achieved at this quality setting. Reply
MightyB - Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - linkHmm Im gonna wait out for the ATI solution and hope they will make it possible to use two diffferent types of cards. Would love to have the new x800 All in Wonder matched with another X-series card :-) This way I can get great performance along with the much better ATI picture quality and even TV.. :-)
And before you flame me being a ATI fanboy.. I own a Nvidia card.. Im talking about 2D (windows desktop) and Movies when i refer to picture quality. I see now real difference in games!
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MiLaMber - Sunday, October 31, 2004 - linkPerhaps slightly annoying this article to those ppl who have a Geforce 6800GT, like myself, just like the fact that the NF 4 is a no go.
Looks like a possible upgrade to PCI Express will be on teh cards in..18 months, but I see this as a good thing, better motherboards, a maturer PCI Express solution.
Guess could always sell the 6800gt agp when the pcie version comes out though huh lol, and then start considerin SLI again and indeed NF4. Reply
Reflex - Sunday, October 31, 2004 - linkThats his point, because each card does 50% no matter how much work a section of the screen has, it won't necessarily utilize both cards fully. If your wandering through UT2k4 and there are no vehicles in the sky, but there is a massive ground battle going on, you will see hardly any benefit from the Alienware setup, but you'd see a huge benefit from the nVidia SLI solution since it will give the card rendering the top half of the screen more to do rather than sitting idle.
Believe what you want, but I have a bad feeling that the Alienware tech will never actually appear on the market. It was announced months ago, and now if it arrived it would more or less be an Ati only solution, since if you had nVidia cards you can do SLI natively without Alienware's technology(and nVidia's solution should be faster most of the time). It was a good attempt by them, but at this point its not worth pursuing. Reply
GhandiInstinct - Sunday, October 31, 2004 - linkSwaid: Your ratios are a bit off, did you see the E3 demonstration? Maybe you should have another look at it. The ratio is always 50/50 even if the lower or upper half has a bit more work to be done, the thing is its only half the screen, resolution. Making the cards work a lot less than if they were single. Never the less, it's always seamless no matter how high your graphics settings.
Ever heard of frame locking? Frame locking synchronizes display refresh and buffer swaps across multiple cards, preventing visual artifacts and ensuring image continuity in multi-monitor (or multiple video card) applications like simulations.
Reflex - Sunday, October 31, 2004 - linkHell, I'm an anti-nVidia guy and I still recognize this as a nice deal for those of us who'd love a cheap way to upgrade in the future when a secondary card will be cheap.
I still won't be buying it however, the 2D performance of nVidia solutions is still crap at high res, and I spend a lot more time in front of a web browser than I do in front of games. But since Civ3 is the most recent game I have purchased, I don't imagine its really much of an issue for me. A Parhelia would meet my gaming needs just fine. ;) Reply
Swaid - Sunday, October 31, 2004 - linkGhandiInstinct,
His logic is correct, while your's on the other hand needs to be double checked. In your case (X2/Video Array), we can take the an example of a situation where the upper half of the screen has a more complex scene (or more activity) going on, thus making Card 1 (video card rendering the upper half) work at 100% while Card 2 (video card rendering the bottom half) only needs to work at 80% to keep up with Card 1. Thats not an efficient solution. This is where SLI's technology can really shine. If you take that same scene thats being played through and use SLI, Card 1 will now render the upper 40% while Card 2 will render the bottom 60% and this would keep the 2 GPU's at 100% load. Now that is an efficient solution. That senario can pretty much go for all FPS games. Dynamic load balancing appears to be a better 'logical' solution. But I am willing to bet that you are an ATI fan or maybe it has to do with some sort of loyalty towards Alienware, so SLI is feeling you left behind, thus your unwillingness for reason. There are many articles that try and explain the whole situation with SLI. Reply
Zebo - Sunday, October 31, 2004 - linkOh and thanks Anand for this exclusive. I'm with the camp which says "single card" and "frequent upgrades" only because of noise, heat, power and very low resale when I'm finally done with the two cards. Reply
Zebo - Sunday, October 31, 2004 - linkMore options are always a good thing. How can anyone be down on this tech is beyond me. Reply
GhandiInstinct - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkSLI requires special circuitry to be incorporated into GPUs and, for extra speed gain, into core-logic. Alienware's Video Array technology does not require any special logic to be incorporated into graphics or system chips.
This makes it less of a driver prone problem than SLI.
GhandiInstinct - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkI don't understand why you think X2's split work screen will be worse... Even if the scenes get more complex its still only half! So if a single X800XT renders the complex scene at 70fps then two will chop up? Your logic is FLAWED!!! Reply
TrogdorJW - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - link61 - Sokaku, I wasn't any more rude that you were in your original post. You were incorrect in your claims, as #62 pointed out. I'll repeat: it was a claim without a whole lot of thought/research behind it. Certainly SLI isn't a huge step forward, but to call it a step backwards is ludicrous. SMP would also be a step backwards, and dual-core would be pointless as well. Obviously, the 22 year old webmaster knows quite a few things that you don't. Being wrong at the top of your lungs is why pure guesses aren't used when writing any professional level article.
One thing I find odd is that there's mention of the new Scalable Link Interface SLI doing either screen division - i.e. one card renders the top 2/3 and the other renders the bottom 1/3 - or Alternate Frame Rendering (AFR). I thought ATI created and patented AFR back with their Rage MAXX card, just like 3dfx created and patented Scan Line Interleave. (One problem with Scan Line Interleave, for those that don't realize this, is that it basically makes AA impossible to do without a massive performance hit. That's why NVIDIA calls the new SLI Scalable Link Interface.) I can't see ATI allowing NV to use AFR technology without a lawsuit, unless there was some other agreement that we haven't heard about. Reply
IamTHEsnake - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkCome on ATi, surprise me!!!!!!! Reply
GhandiInstinct - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkIn addition, I hate overhyping brand new technology, it's so pointless. I can see analyzing this 6 months from now after people have been using it and more benchmarks are revealed. Reply
GhandiInstinct - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkNo one is debating that SLI delivers phenomenal performance. The issue is with the limit on manufacturing creating an "SLI monopoly" lol.
Everyone knows Nvidia cheats on visual quality and that ATI's cards perform better on an overwhelming amount of games. So if I have $400 to spend on my SLI setup I'd go for the latter of cards. Get it? It's nothing complex here folks. Reply
mkruer - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkHere is my 2 cents on SLI.
I think there is a misconception buying two 6600GT at the start, and thinking its is going to be cheaper then a single 6800GT is incorrect. The TOC (total cost of ownership) for people jumping on issue of just is not there. Currently it is just as expensive as picking up a single card solution.
Here is where SLI makes sense.
12-18 months down the line the next latest and greatest game will arrive demanding twice the processing power that you currently have. Now you could purchase the bleeding edge graphic card for another $400US or you could pick up another 6800GT for half that and get nearly double the performance (that would also translate into the same performance of the new card), if not better. TCO is now about 75% of picking up a new bleeding edge $400US card.
So I guess my recommendation to all of you out there that are thinking of picking up two 6600GT, don't. Spend the same amount of money and get the 6800GT, and in the next 12-18 months pick up a second 6800GT for half the price, and you will still be getting the same performance as nVidia's next generation, but for half the cost.
Possible future.
ATI is undoubtedly working on a similar solution, and possible working on a few "flaws" in nVidias current design, namely the SLI bridge connection. I suspect that in the future the SLI bridge connection will disappear completely and instead, be migrated to the last 8x of the 16x pci-e connection, thereby creating a direct point to point connection between the two cards. The advantage of this is now both cards could share there collective memory similarly to how AMD does with it processors between memory banks. This will allow for two 256mb cards to truly act as one 512mb card.
Tides - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkdual core gpus in the future? Reply
Sokaku - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - link#62 - PrinceGaz
Thanks for clearing that up, I stand corrected. :-)
Ivo - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkThe enthusiastic market, where the two graphic cards SLI solution is positioned, is something like the F1 by cars: it advertises and proves new technologies, but it doesn't sell directly in profitable quantities. Probably, the mainstream market will never adopt it, at least because it is too expensive and too noisy. Nevertheless, a modified SLI solution, with IGP and ONE graphic card, could still be interesting for this market. In that case, the card, a 3D accelerator, should be idle for not intensive 3D applications and the SLI should adopt effective combination of two unequal GPUs. Reply
Denial - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkI'm glad I can buy anything I want at my job as the CFO doen't know what a 6800GT is. "Uhhh, it keeps the flux capicitor cool."
How long till the SLI boards come out? Better yet, that dual SLI board from Tyan. I hope all this is out before the new year so I can slip it in with all the other end-of-year hardware purchases. Reply
PrinceGaz - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkThe geometry processing *should* be shared between the cards to some extent as each card only renders a certain area of the screen when it is divided between them. So polygons that fall totally outside its area can be skipped. At least thats what I imagine happens but I don't know for sure. Obviously when each card is rendering alternate frames then the geometry calculation is effectively totally shared between the cards as they each have twice as long to work on it to maintain the same framerate.
As for the 105% improvement of the 6800GT SLI over a single 6800GT in Far Cry 1600x1200. All I can say is No! It's against the laws of physics! That or the drivers are doing something fishy. Reply
stephenbrooks - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - link--[I do not need a 21 years young webmaster's article as a reference for making these claims,]--
So what's wrong with 21 y/o webmasters then, HUH? I could be very offended by that. :)
I'm surprised no-one's picked up this before but I just love the 105% improvement of the 6800GT on Far Cry highest res. I'm surprised because normally when a review has something like that in it, a load of people turn up and say "No! It's against the laws of physics!" Well, it isn't _technically_, but it makes you wonder what on Earth has gone on in that setup to make two cards more efficient per transistor than one.
[Incidentally, does anyone here know _for sure_ whether or not the geometry calculation is shared between these cards via SLI?] Reply
PrinceGaz - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - link#61 Sokaku- your understanding of the new form of SLI (Scalable Link Interface) is incorrect. You are referring to Scan-Line Interleave which was used with two Voodoo 2 cards.
Using Scalable Link Interface, one card renders the upper part of the screen, the other card renders the lower part. Note that I say "part" of the screen, instead of "half"-- the amount of the screen rendered by each card varies depending on the complexity so that each card has a roughly equal load. So if most of the action is occurring low down, the first card may render the upper two-thirds, while the second card only does the lower third.
The current form of SLI can also be used in an alternative mode where each card renders every other frame, so card A does frames 1,3,5 etc, while card B does frames 2,4,6 etc.
However regardless of which method is used, SLI is only really viable when used in conjunction with top-end cards such as the 6800Ultra or 6800GT. It doesn't make sense to buy a second 6600GT later when better cards will be available more cheaply, or to buy two 6600GTs together now when a single 6800GT would be a better choice. Therefore the $800+ required for two SLI graphics-cards will mean only a tiny minority ever use it (though some fools will go and buy a second 6600GT a year later no doubt). Reply
Sokaku - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - link#49 "Do you have some reference that actually states this? Seems to me like it's just a blatant guess with not a lot of thought behind it.":
I often wonder how come people are this rude on the net, probably because they don't sit face to face with the ones they talk to. I do not need a 21 years young webmaster's article as a reference for making these claims, I think therefore I claim. And if you want a conversation beyond this point, sober up your language and tone.
In a SLI configuration card 1, renders the 1st scan line, card 2 the 2nd scan line, card 1 the third, card 2 the fourth and so on.
It is done this way because it's easier to keep the cards synchronized. If you had card 1 render the left half and card 2 render the right, then card 1 may lag seriously if the left part of the scene is vastly more complex than the right part.
So, in SLI both cards need to do the complete geometry processing for the entire frame. When the cards then render the pixels, they only have to do half each.
Thus, a card needs a geometry engine that is twice as fast (at a given target resolution) as the pixel rendering capacity on one card, because the geometry engine must be prepared for the SLI situation.
If the geometry engine were exactly (yeah I know, it all depends on the game and all) matched to the pixel rendering process, you wouldn't gain anything from a SLI configuration, because the geometry engine would be the bottleneck.
This didn't matter anything back in the voodoo2 days, because all the geometry calculations was done by the CPU, the cards only did the rendering and therefore nothing was "wasted". Now the CPU offloads the calculations to the GPU, hence the need to have twice the triangle calculation capacity on the GPU.
AtaStrumf - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkFirst of all congrats to Anand for this exclusive preview!
Now to those that think next GPU will outperform a 6800GT SLI, you must have been living under a rock for the last 2 years.
How much is 9800XT faster than 9700 Pro? Not nearly as much as two 6800GTs are faster than a single 6800GT is the correct answer!
Now consider that 9700 Pro and 9800XT are 3 generations apart, and 6800GT/SLI are let's say one generation apart in terms of time to market.
How can you complain about that?!?! And don't forget that 6800GT is not a $500 high end card!
If you get one 6800 GT now and one in say 6 months you're still way ahead performancewise, than if you buy the next top of the line $500 GPU and you only spend about $200 more, plus you get to do it in two payments.
This is definately a good thing as long as there are no driver/chipset problems.
Last but not least. Just as we have seen with CPUs, GPUs will also hit the wall probably with the next generation, and SLI is to GPUs what dual core is to CPUs only a hell of a lot better.
My only gripe is that SLI chipset availability will probably be a big problem for quite some time to come and I would not buy the first revision, so add additional 4 months for this to be a viable solution.
Me being stuck in S754 and AGP may seem like a problem, but I intend to buy a 6800GT AGP sometime next year and wait all this SLI/90nm/dual core out. I'll let others be free beta testers :-) Reply
thomas35 - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkpretty cool review once agian.
Though most people seem to miss one big glaring thing. SLI while nice a pretty toy for games, is going to have a huge impact on the 3D animation industry. Modern video cards have hugefully powerfull processors on them, but because AGP isn't duplex and can't work with more than one GPU at a time, video card based hardware rendering isn't used much. But now with PCI-e and SLI, I can take 2 powerfull professional cards (FireGL and Quadro's) and have them start helping to render animations. This means, rather than add extra computers to cut down on render times, I just simply add in a couple of video cards. And that in turn, means I have more time to develope a high quality animation that I would have in the past.
So in the middle of next year, I'll be buying a dual (dual core) cpu system and dual video card system to render. And then will have the same power as I get from the 6 computers I own now, in your standard ATX case. Reply
Nick4753 - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkThanks Anand!!!! Reply
Reflex - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkGhandi - Actually the nVidia SLI solution should outperform X2 in most scenerios. The reason for that is that their driver will intelligently load balance the rendering job to both graphics chips rather than simply split a scene in half and give each chip a half. Much of the time there is more action in one part of a scene than the other, so the second card would be completely wasted at those times. On average, the SLI solution should outperform X2.
X2 has other drawbacks as well. Few techies really want to buy a complete system, preffering to build their own. So something like X2, which is only able to be acquired with a very overpriced PC that I can build on my own for a lot less money(and use nVidia's SLI if I really need that kinda power) is not a very attractive solution for a power user. You also point out a part about drivers as an advantage that is truly a drawback. What kind of experience does Alienware have with drivers? How long do they intend to support that hardware? I can get standard Ati or nVidia drivers dating back to 1996, will Alienware guarnatee me that in 8 years that rig will still be able to run at the least an OS with full driver support? What kind of issues will they have, seeing as they have never had to do that before, writing drivers is NOT a simple process.
I have nothing against the X2, but I do know it was first mentioned months ago and I have yet to see any evidence of it since. It would not suprise me if they ditched it and just went with nVidia's solution. At this point they are more or less just doing design for Ati, as anyone who wants to do SLI with nVidia cards can now do it without paying a premium for Alienware's solution.
Your comment about nVidia vs. Ati is kinda odd. It really depends on what games you play as to which you prefer. Myself, I am perfectly happy with my Radeon 9600SE, yes its crappy, but it plays Freedom Force and Civilization 3 just fine. ;) Reply
GhandiInstinct - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkI don't consider my statement any form of criticism it is merely a realization that the high-end user might want to wait for X2 because the current concensus reveals that Nvidia cards aren't a big hype compared to ATi. Ask that high-end user would he rather waste that $200 on dual-Nvidias or Dual-Ati's? Reply
SleepNoMore - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkI think you could build this and RENT it to friends and gawkers at 20 bucks an hour. Who knows maybe some gaming arcade places will do this?
Cause that's what it is at this point: a really cool, ooh-ahh, novelty. I'd rather rent it as a glimpse at the future than go broke trying to buy it. The future will come soon enough.
The final touch - for humor - you just need to build it into a special case with a Vornado fan ;) to make it totally unapologetically brute force funky.
Dasterdly - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkIm willing to settle :p
Also the 2 gpu on one card, or even on one chip would be good. Probably what ati should/will do now to keep up.
I had the v2 12 mb and it was the fastest card to play my games for more than a year. After that I bought another one and was good for another year or so till the gf2 gts came.
With the product cycles bumped up by Nv (and everyone else to compete) to 6 mo, I dont know if it would be worth it till they reach thier cap. Reply
Grishnakh - Saturday, October 30, 2004 - linkWell, Human beings seem to be preset to criticize what they just don't need.
If you think SLI is nothing to you, that mean you just don't need these behemoths, so you will never buy nF4 SLI, KT890, etc, then SLI is nothing concerned with you.
And Honestly, I wonder what kind of loss from nVidia can be? If you don't need it, fine, most of products meet your demand. If you need it, better! you would pay double, and so the company would earn double.
SLI just a little like dual CPU, there always a certain population, though not much, need it Reply
GhandiInstinct - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkWell X2 utilizes each GPU to perform half the screen making a more efficient cooperative effort than SLI. Plus you won't need to keep updating your drivers like SLI and the drivers will come straight from AlienWare.
It's more appealing to use any combination of GPUs you want rather than SLI. So I want the best performance so I have to pay a premium to be stuck with Nvidia again? Not making that mistake again... Reply
caliber fx - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkWonder why alot of you are saying that the driver needs to be "specially written" for a game because even anand said that "In our conversation with NVIDIA, we noted that this technology should work with all software without any modification necessary". If you are talking about driver tweaking then even single gpu solutions are guilty of that one. The tweaks toward the nv30 or ati with their ai solution are just a few examples and I bet if the previewer had more time with the system in the right place he would have ran many other applications. I think most of you have gotten dual cores cpus mixed up with sli and I don't blame you because their are so many just introduced features that are currently not in use in alot of software like amd64, sse3, ps 3.0 and multithreading. Funny thing if their are games out there that can take advantage of all these features to the fullest I can't imagine what that would produce and the sad thing is all these features can be implemented on one machine. Also that alienware solution seems less efficient than sli. Reply
GhandiInstinct - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkI'm sure everyone agrees that the drawback with this technology is it only supports inferior Nvidia GPUs.
I'm looking forward to Alienware's X2 technology that combines any gpu combination at a much more efficient architecture. Reply
TrogdorJW - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkMy only question is about the small HSF on the NF4 Ultra chipset. That appears to sit directly underneath the second PCIe slot. Kind of odd, that. How difficult was it to install the cards in that board, Anand? It will also be interesting to see how performance changes over time. With their higher clock speed, I think SLI 6600GT should do better than a 6800GT. Seems like a driver optimization problem to me, although the lack of RAM might also come into play.
And #11, what was that crap about requiring more geometry processing power to do SLI!? Do you have some reference that actually states this? Seems to me like it's just a blatant guess with not a lot of thought behind it. A card might need to do more geometry work in SLI relative to non-SLI, but twice as much? Hardly. I have a strong suspicion that the vast majority of applications do not come near to maxing out the geometry processing of current cards. Look at 6600GT vs. X700XT: 3 vertex pipelines vs. 6 vertex pipelines. Why then does the 6600GT win out in the majority of tests? Reply
Reflex - Friday, October 29, 2004 - link#44: Why would DD encoding be a selling point? It is a compression algorithm among other things, and as a result it will degrade your sound quality. It makes sense for DVD's, but for quality PC audio it makes no sense at all. If you want multi-channel(sound on your back speakers) just use analog connections and specify in the control panel for whatever card your using that you'd like it, most give the option.
Contrary to popular misconception, Dolby Digital, while nice for movies, is a bad thing for PC audio in general. It is one of the reasons that the SoundStorm is not considered a high end solution, despite how nVidia marketed it. Regardless, if you use a digital connection and you have a DD source(DVD movie for instance) your sound card no matter what brand will pass that signal through to your reciever and allow it to decode DD. Reply
DrumBum - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkis it possible to run three monitors off of an SLI setup and run extended desktop across all three?
(play a game or watch a dvd across three monitors) Reply
Mrvile - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkWow nVidia totally blew ATI away in Farcry (which is weird cuz Farcry is Direct3D) according to http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2044... benchmarks. But these are kinda old benchies, from May... Reply
gplracer - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkI think this is a good solution for the time being. If I were going to build a new system I would want the GF4 with SLI capabilities. What if someone bought this board and one 6800 GT. Then at a later would it be impossible to buy another newer nvidia card and run it sli or would it have to be the exact same card? Also no one has noted that this sli capability is great for amd and not so good for intel. Some people will want this and intel has nothing to currently offer that I am aware of. Reply
ImJacksAmygdala - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkThanks for the article.
I think I will skip the nforce3 and nforce4 boards. I hear that there will even be HT problems with the Nforce4 AO3 silicon and I don't feel like rolling the dice with any other problems.
I;m not sold on SLI anymore either. I have the cash for it, but I'm considering the extra cost of 2 high end cards instead of just getting the latest and greatest every 1.5 to 2 years. I'm concerned about the extra heat and noise aswell.
I would have much rather had Sound Storm than SLI. I think I will just wait and see if a Dolby Live 5.1 encoding sound solution shows up before I upgrade to a AMD64 system. Intel has Dolby Live 5.1 encoding so maybe Creative will soon too.
Lord Banshee - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkCan you please test Spec ViewPref 7.1.1 or above with the next SLI mobo you test. Alot of us 3D modelers want to know if SLI will benifit. Reply
CrystalBay - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkGJ Anand, you scooped everyone (other review sites) again... :) Reply
bob661 - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkmrdudesir
See #34. Reply
mrdudesir - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkI dont get why everyone is bitching about the added cost for people who dont want it. There is no added cost if you dont want SLI. Just buy a board based on the NF4 Ultra Chipset. ITs the exact same chipset just with no SLI. In fact if anything SLI lowers the price because it leaves a new top of the line chipset so that the NF4 Ultra doesn't have to be the absolute best and hence it is cheaper. Reply
nserra - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkI already had a dual voodoo2 SLI, and besides the extra speed (and not always), no more....
This is not that brilliant:
1st - Need motherboard support and a special/specific one (voodoo2 didn't)
2nd - Doesn't bring anything new features besides extra speed (play at 1280x1024 instead of 1024x768?)
3rd - More heat and power requirement.
4th - The driver must support the game (I don't know if voodoo2 also needed this)
5th - It will prolong your PC how? Does the SLI 6600GT have the same functionalities/features of future products (NV50) don't think so.
6th – Price, price, price …..
7th – Voodoo2 also had a version of SLI in a single board, a much cleaver solution, for the immediate since every board would accept it.
8th - I bet there will be games incompatibles (voodoo2 had to disable SLI in some games in order to work/play)
…. Reply
Reflex - Friday, October 29, 2004 - link#35: If you do not wish to use the second slot for graphics, it is still a fully functioning PCI Express slot you can use for *anything* else, so it is not wasted board space at all. Reply
Reflex - Friday, October 29, 2004 - link#9: There will be no add in SoundStorm solution. The group that developed that technology at nVidia has been dissolved and moved on to other projects.
Just as well, it was not a quality solution anyways. Reply
bob661 - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkThe hardware does exist. You can buy 6600GT's right now on Newegg. Reply
haris - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkSLI is an option on the motherboard. Great. SLI might work because of the driver, but doesn't the hardware have to exist for the feature to be used in the driver?
What if Nvidia/ATI have to use up valuable board space for a feature that will only be used by high end users, this means that everyone else is paying for a feature that they don't want or will never use. I don't like the idea that I might be paying extra for my card because one person out of ten thousand (or whatever the % of high end to average users is) wanted that feature. Reply
bob661 - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkI think some these guys are mad because the motherboard that suits their needs won't be considered "the best". For some, it's an image thing. If it isn't, then why do you care that SLI is even available? Just but the HF4 Ultra. Then there some that come here just to piss people off. Reply
bob661 - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkTwo GPU's on one card is more expensive and there would proabably be some heat issues. Reply
Pete - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkWhoops. NV43 has only four ROPs, while NV40 has sixteen. So SLIed 6600GTs still have only half the ROPs as a single 6800GT. Mah bad. Reply
Tides - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkSLI is meant for one thing, HIGH END. It's like spending 800 on an Athlon FX. Before now the option wasn't there, now it is. What's the problem? Reply
Pete - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkThanks for the preview, Anand (and MSI). One note:
"At 1280 x 1024 we see something quite unusual, the 6800GT gains much more from SLI than the 6600GT. The 6800GT received a 63.5% performance boost from SLI while the 6600GT gets "only" a 45.7% improvement; given the beta nature of the drivers we'll avoid hypothesizing about why."
Not enough RAM? 12x10 4xAA is getting pretty RAM-intensive, no? That's one of the reasons I'm not that excited about SLI'ing two 6600GTs to the level of a 6800GT, but without the extra breathing room afforded by 256MB.
Two questions for you, too, Anand:
(1) The 6600GT is 500MHz core, 8 pipe, 4 ROP, 500MHz 128-bit memory. The 6800GT is 350MHz core, 16 pipe, eight ROP, 500MHz 256-bit memory. All else being equal, I'd have thought the SLI'ed 6600GTs would way outperform the 6800GT because they have the same specs and a 40% higher core clock. Is this just a matter of some efficiency lost due to SLI overhead?
(2) Is there a way to tell if the cards are rendering in "SLI" or AFR mode, or even to force one or the other? I'd be curious to know which helps which app more. Reply
justauser - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkI don't get it. Why not just put two GPUs on one 16x card. This bridge thing is so hokey. Reply
Tides - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkBetter yet don't buy the SLI version of the mobo, there ARE 3 versions of NF4 boards afterall. Reply
Tides - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkWhy are people complaining about an additional feature on motherboards, that you are no way forced to use? It's like having 2 agp slots on a motherboard, it's ROOM FOR UPGRADE. What's wrong with that? Reply
xsilver - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkI think the performance boost is viable, only you need to know when to buy
6600gt SLI is close to a 6800gt in most benchies and in the ones that aren't may be due to driver issues rather than performance... however 2X 6600gt does not equal 6800gt in price, but in say 12months time will a 6600gt + the price of the old 6600gt = or be less than the price of a 6800gt originally?
The new mainstream product in 12 months time should still perform less than a 6600gt in SLI
Think of it as getting as good card on "layaway" (am I saying this right? im not in the US :)
The other viability is of course having 2X 6800GT and saying I've got the best performance money can buy.... again you should not be superceded within 12-18 months
haris - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkThis is a horrible move by Nvidia. Several people have already stated so because of some of the main problems: Heat, noise, power requirements, and SLI may only work if the driver supports that specific game/engine. It might work out great for them since they will be able to get people to pay for two cards instead of just getting a more powerful single card solution which will work just as well if not better in every game. For most people, by the time they would be ready to upgrade a low-mid range card, it would probably still be more cost effective to just buy a new card.
I love the performance boost as much as the next guy/girl, but I still think that this is just plain stupid. Reply
KraftyOne - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkThanks bob661! Anyone have any info on AGP x700's? If ATI gets them out first, they get my money... :-) Reply
HardwareD00d - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkThose benchmarks are amazing! I wasn't going to shell out the dough for SLI, but now I'm going to reconsider.
I was glad to read that the 2 PCIe slots being only 8x will not really be a performance issue. A lot of people are down on nForce4 because it won't do 2 16x slots. F***ing A nVidia Nice JOB! Now if only NF4 had soundstorm...
bob661 - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkSee http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19340 for 6600GT AGP availability. Reply
KraftyOne - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkYes, this is all fine and great, but when will the x700 and/or 6600GT be available for AGP ports for those of us who can't afford all the latest and greatest? Reply
HardwareD00d - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkI have only two words to say:
Anand Rules! Reply
Nyati13 - Friday, October 29, 2004 - link
On page one it says the SLI slots are electrically x8 slots instead of x16. That is not correct, they are x8 data slots, but will still provide the full x16 electrical power needed to the graphics card.
Jeremy Reply
mongoosesRawesome - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkWhat PSU were you using for these tests? Reply
suave3747 - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkI would expect that a 6800 Ultra Extreme SLI setup will not be outdone by a new nVidia card until at least a year from now. And at that time, when you bought the second one, it would push you from mid-range back towards the top for much less than that new card would be at the time.
This is brilliant by nVidia, because:
A. It allows you a way to buy half of the GPU setup that you want now, and half later. That's a great plan for a budget-oriented consumer. It will make GPU purchases a lot easier for parents to swallow on holidays. It allows for someone to give them $1200 for a ridiculously powerful GPU setup.
B. It will keep their high end cards of today selling well all the way into next year. The way the market is now, people want a new-gen card. They don't want a 5950 right now, they'd rather buy a 6600. This will keep 6800 series and 6600 GTs selling all the way through 2005. Reply
Subhuman25 - Friday, October 29, 2004 - link2 Video cards - No thanks.
Price factor,heat factor,noise factor,space factor,extra & new technology factor(guinea pig)
No thanks to this avenue.
I feel sorry for the poor saps who buy into this crap and spend $800+ alone for 2 x 6800GT's only to be outperformed in a year by a newer generation single card setup.
I highly doubt this will ever become a trend.If you think so,then ask how many people have dual CPU systems. Reply
jkostans - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkHmm lets see, I can get a 6800 GT for less than two 6600GTs, and the 6800GT is faster..... Let me think about this, no SLI for me! MAYBE if you want a mid-range card now, then get the 6600GT and upgrade when another 6600GT is very cheap and have the equivalent of low-end card then?. I still think it's worth dropping the extra cash on the 6800 GT. But I guess when it cam time to upgrade, I could just add another 6800 GT? I kinda doubt it. Reply
Sokaku - Friday, October 29, 2004 - link
#12 I'm with that on that one, however we did see how it went with 3dfx's SLI solution.
I had a voodoo2 and when it came to the point where I wanted more power, I could have bought another voodoo2, however the graphics card available at that point, out performed a dual voodoo2 configuration considerably, so as an upgrade path, it was never feasable to do so.
I'm afraid that if I should buy an 6800Ultra, when the time comes, I would not buy another one, because at that point, we have one 8600Ultra way outperforming dual 6800ultras...
#13 by lebe0024: I assumed that you've been banned 23 times from this forum and I sure hope you'll be banned for the 24th time. Reply
lebe0024 - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkShut your pie hole #11 Reply
xsilver - Friday, October 29, 2004 - link#11 .... how bout this -- "if they could they would"
nvidia is here to may money after all..... a single card solution should certainly be cheaper to produce than a dual one, but I don't think that's feasable right now so that's why its not made Reply
Sokaku - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkI find it horrible that NVIDIA is taking up SLI again. "Why?" you probably wonder... Well, in order to be able to gain anything from SLI, NVIDIA has to overpower the GPU considerably when it comes to geometry handling. Infact, the geometry engine must be able to outperform the pixel rendere by a factor 2, should the customer happen to use this card in a SLI configuration. This means that people who do NOT want a SLI configuration will have to pay for a geometry engine that is way more powerful than needed.
Think of the additional cost of making a SLI configuration, you need a motherboard prepared for it, you need dual graphics card, gpu and all.. And what problem does this solve?
Well, basicly all it does is giving you twice the memory bandwidth and pixel render capacity.
This could be solved way more cost effective by doubling the data bus width and keeping the solution on one card. Also, this way the geometry engine would be dimmensioned to exactly match the capacity of the rendere.
This is a step back in innovation and not a step forward.
smn198 - Friday, October 29, 2004 - link...meaning different RAM manufacturers/speeds on the graphics cards. Reply
smn198 - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkAny one heard if you can get differing versions of the same board. e.g. one 6600GT from Asus and the other from MSI? Anyone heard of any tests with this and different RAM?
(I think the dual 6600GT upgrade path makes up for the lack of SoundStorm. Hope they hurry up and make their add in SS boards tho!) Reply
TimTheEnchanter25 - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkAny word on when PCI-E versions of the 6800 GT will start showing up in stores? I'm not waiting for SLI boards, but I'm getting worried that the 6800GTs won't be out by time Nforce4 boards are in stores. Reply
ballero - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkHow about testing the last patch by crytek with hdr enabled?
ballero - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkReply
Pete84 - Friday, October 29, 2004 - link#4 Why would you want SLI for the 6200? It is the lowest end card - think 9200. No real use, other than Civ III and Firefox. Reply
SDA - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkMaybe, maybe not, #3. Modern PSUs have a lot more juice than the systems actually use. I wouldn't be surprised if a 380W Tagan could handle an A64 rig with dual 6800Us.
Anyway, yeah, this is decidedly sexy. What I like about it is that it actually has appeal for normal people as well... say you want to buy a midrange system that you can upgrade easily later. Get a dual PCI-E 16x motherboard and a 6600GT, then add in another 6600GT whenever you feel like you want a performance boost! Shame SLI isn't available on the 6200... Reply
ukDave - Friday, October 29, 2004 - link1600x1200 high detail for any current game, that certainly is impressive. I'm an 'ATi Fanboy', but congrats to nVidia, damn fine job.
I think even my luberly Tagan might have issues running two on these 6800 Ultras :o Reply
keitaro - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkHere's an interesting idea... take SLI setup, plug in 2 17in to 19in LCD monitors, do some benchmarks and play with that setup for a while. Then tell us about the experience. :) Reply
xsilver - Friday, October 29, 2004 - linkSweet.... Sweet candy ...... drools... wants now
I'm no fanboy but those ATI fanboys will have to give in to the fact that nvidia now has the "fastest" card abeit it will cost 2x more
Finally on the issue of SLI if the exact same card must be used to enable SLI, is there any info on the future availability of these cards.... eg if u buy a 6600gt now in 18 months this card may not be available anymore? eg. will be 6700gt? will these be compatible? Forcing you to upgrade before the product is phased out may not be so good
Also just noticed in the far cry 1600x1200 test SLI is more than 100% faster... how the hell does that work? margin of error? Reply


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A consequence of diversity, as described by Matt Asay today:
The problem I have with free-software advocates like Richard Stallman is that they think freedom is the primary reason to use open-source software. It's not. Utility is.
After all, we're not talking about essential human rights here. We're talking about getting work done with software.
Over the past 10 years I and the companies with which I've worked have sold hundreds of millions of dollars in open-source software/services. Not once have I been asked about "freedom." For that matter, I've also never heard a customer gush about reduced vendor lock-in.
To the contrary, I've met with CIOs and CTOs who have explicitly told me that this isn't a top consideration for them. Just last week, in fact, I moderated a panel at LinuxCon in which I asked senior IT executives from leading media companies if vendor lock-in is a primary motivation for using open source. Nope.
They have work to do. They want software that helps them get their work done and gets out of the way. That's what open source does.
(Go to the original article to get the links Matt uses to document this section.)
The above will be spun by some as "Business is Anti-Freedom", but I think a more apt description is "Different strokes for different folks". People are seeking solutions to their own problems… their judgments may be very different than your own.
It's finding ways to accommodate all those differences — developing multiple options to satisfy diverse needs — that's a trickier problem than assuming everyone shares the same values.


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The manager of Ilkley ladies' football team is celebrating gaining a doctorate after a rollercoaster journey to achieve it.
Tony Gill was awarded his PhD at Leeds University after being inspired to study by his good friend Keith Cooper, who sadly passed away before he could finish his study.
"He was one of the nice guys, but was diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease and passed away at the age of 66," said Mr Gill who has since raised more than £1,000 towards motor neurone disease.
The study saw a number of life- changing events occur and the process nearly came to an end in 2011, when Mr Gill endured four lots of surgery on his knees, a change of jobs and the loss of three people close to his heart, while he was still reeling from the blow of losing Keith the previous year.
His partner Claire saw her mum pass away and then Tony lost both his parents. "That was probably the lowest point of all, and the point at which I didn't think I could carry on," he said. "I really struggled at that time to find the motivation to carry on.
"However, sometimes when you are at your lowest you gain that inner strength to keep going and achieve something that could make a difference to others.
"When I graduated there was this huge sense of relief tinged with sadness – it was a very emotional day."
Family support at the graduation included his partner Claire, older sister Barbara Anne, and his five children – Rebecca, 19, Joshua, 18, Daniel, 14, Phoebe, seven and Oscar, five.
The PhD, which is entitled 'The Lived Experiences of People with Schizophrenia Prescribed Atypical Antipsychotic Medication', looks at the lived experiences of people with schizophrenia who are prescribed the newer atypical medication as opposed to the older forms of typical antipsychotic medication.
Mr Gill added: "I would like to be able to pass on my findings, attend a few conferences and talk about what people go through with schizophrenia and what I have found out in my PhD.
"I am currently working on a research paper which I hope will be published soon, and really I would like to see their stories told in a book so we can help challenge issues of stigma about schizophrenia."


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Did you know?
Thomas Bain took one month's of leave in 46 years of employment with the Cape Colony.
The craggy mountain passes of the Western Cape are a road tripper's delight. At once daunting and awe-inspiring, high-altitude crossings like the Prince Alfred's Pass, the Robinson Pass, the Pakhuis Pas, the Tradouw Pass and the legendary Swartberg Pass make for easy driving in modern cars. And you can't help but wonder at the mastery of the man who built them.
Take a bow, Thomas Bain.
Of course, with a dad like Andrew Geddes Bain, chances are you'll end up with a measure of road-building expertise. AG Bain was a saddler and then a soldier in the Eastern Cape town of Graaff-Reinet, a southern African explorer and a fossil hunter. He was also known as the 'father of South African geology' and supervised the building of eight mountain passes in the old Cape Colony of Queen Victoria's time.
His son Thomas (1830-1893) took the reins from AG and went on to build 24 mountain passes, thereby opening up access between the Cape and the rest of Africa.
Bain Jnr was a busy man throughout his 63 years, 40 of which were spent in service of various Cape infrastructure projects. He and his wife Johanna had 13 children during this time. He also became a noted botanist, archaeologist, Karoo water researcher, magistrate and artist, producing fine maps and tracing ancient San paintings he came across during his project work.
As you drive today on, say, the Swartberg Pass between Prince Albert and Oudtshoorn, you cannot help but marvel at the dry stone walling that has held this superb road in place for more than 130 years. Thomas Bain just seemed to have the knack of things.
And yet, as if his worldly achievements weren't accolades enough, Thomas was also known as an excellent 'people's' person'. He was uncommonly kind and thoughtful to the prison gangs who worked on his passes, he was a great father and husband, and a wonderful travelling companion to his fellow-adventurers.
After 4 decades of intense fieldwork – sometimes involving three major projects simultaneously – Thomas Bain settled with his family in their Cape Town home. But he wasn't still for long. His last major job was to build Victoria Road from Sea Point to Hout Bay on the Cape Peninsula. So as you're driving, one eye on the road and the other on distant ocean sights, remember the man who built all this – long before the age of motor cars...
Travel tips & Planning info
Who to contact
Western Cape Tourism
Tel: +27 (0)21 487 4800
How to get here
Most of the Bain-built mountain passes are within 3 hours' drive of Cape Town, either through the Little Karoo to Prince Albert or down the N2 to Knysna and then cutting into the interior.
Best time to visit
Spring (September to October) is great for flower landscapes, and the winter months (May to August) make up the 'Green Season' in the Western Cape.
Get around
The best way to see the magnificent work of Thomas Bain is to hire a car and head out into the mountains of the Western Cape.
What will it cost
There is no cost to driving the mountain passes of the Western Cape except the hire of your vehicle – and the picnic you've packed for that lunchtime in a scenic setting.
Length of stay
Most of the mountain passes are negotiated within an hour of driving.
What to pack
Pack something warm and possibly waterproof for just in case the weather turns.
Where to stay
The many villages and wine estates at the foot of the mountain passes of the Western Cape have plenty of fine guest establishments.
What to eat
Find a local farmers' market or deli, pick out some seasonal fruit, local cheese and perhaps a wine – just remember, you need your full faculties to drive through any mountain pass.
What's happening
Check the festival schedules of the various towns along your route – there's always some local feast, celebration or harvest party on the go.
Best buys
Buy wines from the wine estates, cheese from the farm stalls and fresh bread from the local bakeries.


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I have to admit, I laughed at this one. Yes, it's horrible sportsmanship on the part of junior jerk, but the fact that while it's being considered by some as the "best tackle OU got that day" by many, it STILL took this kid jumping on Brutus' back and riding him like a pony to finally get him down. and the "WTH" deal with Brutus at the end was classic.
Yeah, stupid, childish and completely immature, but trust me, I lived through 3 of the OU halloween parties while there on campus (first year at a branch) and this is nothing compared to some immature jerk stuff you'd see on that campus. Or any campus for that matter.


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Big day for the Organ-eye-zation today as they unveil their new Heritage jersey, which will be worn Wednesday and a few other games … and which, of course, will be available for sale immediately … and not cheap, I'm going to go way out on a limb and guess.
1) Andrew Gross reminded us yesterday that Sean Avery leaked the unveiling two months ago. If this is indeed the jersey, then it's pretty similar to the one the Rangers wore for a few Original Six games in 1991-92, including Mark Messier's Garden debut.
2) Two disallowed goals in two games for Ruslan Fedotenko, and IMO both should have counted. Wonder if the poor guy is getting a little paranoid.
3) Marty Biron might still be sitting in the lockerroom being interviewed if any reporters had remained there. This guy is one of the all-time great talkers, and apparently he'll talk to anybody (saw him yapping it up with security guards at Nassau Coliseum). Just a nice, outgoing, non-stopper. (kinda like Mike Richter in a way; you'd only have to ask one question to get your notebook filled). But you can tell how much he cares about his team's success.
4) Congratulations to Rangers equipment manager Acacio Marques of Harrison, who not only worked his 1,000th game last night, but also his 1,000th consecutively.
5) It seems we see one of these boarding/hit from behind penalties every single game now, and I really, really hate the rule. I think players hide behind the idea that they'll be protected and put themselves in dangerous, vulnerable positions because of it. Worse, I think players purposely put themselves into those positions to try and draw a penalty. All I know is in the old days, before the rule, a player knew he'd get blasted if he turned his back like that, and so he didn't. So he squared up and faced the oncoming opponent. And there were good, hard, legal collisions and almost never an injury caused by going head-first into the boards or glass. I say, get rid of the penalty and the hits from behind will desist.
6) Here is my column on Marian Gaborik's return, from The Journal News and LoHud.com.
7) Long after the game I asked John Tortorella if he had known that Biron took an Anisimov shot off the sternum during warmups. He said he had no idea and his eyes bugged out. Could you imagine what might have happened …?
AP photo above.


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Great work or4n9e.
Thanks a lot for sharing. I think that will help a lot of people to try out a different desktop
I spent a lot of time building a custom BT4beta featuring the GNOME Desktop Environment and I finally succeeded. As I've seen several requests of yours regarding this topic, I'd like to share my experiences with you. I'll try to make this as straightforward as possible, so here we go...
For this tutorial, I assume you have a virgin BT4beta LiveUSB installation running. Just boot into persistent mode and do the following step-by-step. We'll completely remove KDE3.5, install a very basic GNOME from the Intrepid repositories and replace qtparted, knetworkmanager and KPDF with gparted, wicd and evince.
Step 1: subscribe to the wicd Intrepid repository, import its OpenPGP key and resynchronize the package index files from their sources
Step 2: Completely remove KDE3.5 & related packagesCode:# sh -c 'echo "deb http://apt.wicd.net intrepid extras" >> /etc/apt/sources.list' # apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com B8C0755A # apt-get update
Step 3: Install GNOME (utilizing gnome-core) & related packagesCode:# apt-get remove --purge kamera-kde3 kappfinder-kde3 kate-kde3 kcontrol-kde3 kdebase-data-kde3 kdebase-kde3 kdebase-kde3-bin kdebase-kio-plugins-kde3 kdebase-runtime-data-common-kde3 kdemultimedia-kio-plugins-kde3 kdepasswd-kde3 kdeprint-kde3 kdesktop-kde3 kfind-kde3 kghostview-kde3 khelpcenter-kde3 kicker-kde3 klaptopdaemon-kde3 klipper-kde3 kmenuedit-kde3 konqueror-kde3 konqueror-nsplugins-kde3 konsole-kde3 kpager-kde3 kpdf-kde3 kpersonalizer-kde3 kregexpeditor-kde3 ksmserver-kde3 ksnapshot-kde3 ksplash-kde3 ksysguard-kde3 ksysguardd-kde3 ktip-kde3 kwin-kde3 kwin-style-crystal-kde3 libkcddb1-kde3 libkonq4-kde3 cryptsetup enscript ghostscript-x gs kdebase-runtime-data kdebase-runtime-data-common libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libcdparanoia0 libdbus-qt-1-1c2 libtag1c2a libvorbisenc2 pmount poster psutils qtparted ntfsprogs jfsutils libntfs10 xfsprogs knetworkmanager network-manager network-manager-kde libdbus-1-qt3 update-notifier-common kdelibs-data-kde3 kdelibs4c2a kdelibs4c2a-kde3 libarts1c2a-kde3 libartsc0-kde3 libavahi-qt3-1 liblua50 liblualib50 libmng1 libqt3-mt
There are two major problems with a BT4beta GNOME edition...Code:# apt-get install alacarte avahi-utils bc capplets-data cdrdao cups cups-client cups-common cupsys deskbar-applet desktop-file-utils doc-base dvd+rw-tools eog evolution-data-server evolution-data-server-common foomatic-db foomatic-db-engine foomatic-filters gedit gedit-common gnome-about gnome-app-install gnome-applets gnome-applets-data gnome-control-center gnome-core gnome-desktop-data gnome-doc-utils gnome-icon-theme gnome-media gnome-media-common gnome-menus gnome-netstatus-applet gnome-panel gnome-panel-data gnome-session gnome-settings-daemon gnome-system-monitor gnome-terminal gnome-terminal-data gnome-user-guide gnome-utils gstreamer0.10-alsa gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-x gvfs gvfs-backends libaa1 libao2 libapm1 libarchive1 libatspi1.0-0 libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libbeagle1 libcaca0 libcairomm-1.0-1 libcamel1.2-14 libcanberra-gtk-module libcanberra-gtk0 libcanberra0 libcdio-cdda0 libcdio-paranoia0 libcdio7 libcdparanoia0 libcucul0 libdv4 libebackend1.2-0 libebook1.2-9 libecal1.2-7 libedata-book1.2-2 libedata-cal1.2-6 libedataserver1.2-11 libedataserverui1.2-8 libeel2-2 libeel2-data libegroupwise1.2-13 libexempi3 libfreezethaw-perl libgdata-google1.2-1 libgdata1.2-1 libglibmm-2.4-1c2a libgnome-desktop-2-7 libgnome-media0 libgnome-menu2 libgnome-window-settings1 libgnomecups1.0-1 libgnomekbd-common libgnomekbd3 libgnomekbdui3 libgnomeprint2.2-0 libgnomeprint2.2-data libgnomeprintui2.2-0 libgnomeprintui2.2-common libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libgtksourceview-common libgtksourceview1.0-0 libgtksourceview2.0-0 libgtksourceview2.0-common libgucharmap7 libgvfscommon0 libgweather-common libgweather1 libijs-0.35 libmetacity0 libmldbm-perl libnautilus-burn4 libnautilus-extension1 libnet-dbus-perl liboil0.3 liboobs-1-4 libpanel-applet2-0 libpangomm-1.4-1 libpoppler3 librarian0 libshout3 libslp1 libsoup2.4-1 libtag1c2a libtie-ixhash-perl libtotem-plparser12 libuuid-perl libv4l-0 libvisual-0.4-0 libvisual-0.4-plugins libvorbisenc2 libwavpack1 libxklavier12 libxml-twig-perl libxml-xpath-perl libxml2-utils metacity metacity-common mousetweaks nautilus nautilus-cd-burner nautilus-data obex-data-server poppler-utils python-beagle python-gmenu python-gnome2 python-gnome2-desktop python-gnomecanvas python-gtksourceview2 python-xkit screen-resolution-extra system-tools-backends ubuntu-system-service wodim xsltproc yelp wicd evince file-roller libkpathsea4 libpoppler-glib3 libspectre1 zip gparted
#1 almost 99% of the Desktop entries (Backtrack Menu Items) are not usable in a GNOME Desktop Environment
#2 the Backtrack Menu is not even accessible by default in a GNOME Desktop Environment
I won't bother you with the particular reasons at this point, but I'd like to share a method with the Community that's both simple and efficient to work around it. So, let's move on...
Step 4: Solving Problem #1
Create a shell script "convert.sh" with the following content
Create an awk script "convert.awk" with the following contentCode:#!/bin/sh for i in /usr/local/share/applications/*.desktop; do ./convert.awk "$i" > "$i.tmp"; mv "$i.tmp" "$i"; done
Once this is done, make both scripts executable and finally execute the shell script "convert.sh"Code:#!/usr/bin/awk -f BEGIN{FS="="} $1=="Exec" {exec = $2;en=NR} {array[NR]=$0} END{ gsub(/\"/,"\\\"",exec) split(exec, esplit, ";") if(esplit[2] > ""){ exec="sh -c ""\""exec"\"" } array[en]="Exec=" exec for(i=1;i<=NR;i++){ print array[i] } }
Step 5: Solving Problem #2Code:# chmod 755 convert.awk # chmod 755 convert.sh # ./convert.sh
Download my custom Backtrack Menu for the GNOME Desktop Environment at http://piranha.klashed.net/private/applications.menu (no attachments in these forums?) and save it to (...) within your BT4beta GNOME edition
That's it - just run "startx" and have fun! For my very personal copy of the BT4beta GNOME edition, I also put a lot of effort into the visual appearance (GTK, Metacity, Icons) but this is not scope of this Tutorial as it's dependent on personal preferences and thus is up to you. I'm certainly willing to share the rest of it per request though. Some very minor changes need to be done in addition to this - just let me know if you ran into particular problems.Code:/root/.config/menus/applications.menu
Here is a screenshot of my very personal copy of the BT4beta GNOME Edition showcasing the Backtrack Menu http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7719/screenshotokx.png
Great work or4n9e.
Thanks a lot for sharing. I think that will help a lot of people to try out a different desktop
Tiocfaidh ár lá
Thanx a lot for that Tutorial, I have always preferred Gnome as my GUI, I just am not a KDE fan. I am gonna get right on remastering my BT4 4gig flash drive now.
or4n9e, that is quite more than what you posted on IRC. And quite less of a work than I expected!!! Seriously, this is great job. I guess that could become a script hosted somewhere on the bt4 final distro, sort of "confvert_to_gnome.sh". The easiest way of putting gnome on bt4final I could think of! Even the menu can be hosted in the same folder... muts, what do you think of this way of hosting gnome on the distro?
Ok, I tried this yesterday and one thing that should make this easier I would think, is adding the gnome repositories to the usb before removing KDE, this is simple because you never lose internet connection until you have everything loaded. I had a few problems with the scipt, I am going to retry that today. Maybe everything will work a little better, all in all though, its a great tutorial/post.
Nice tut.
(still trying to figure out why anyone would want gnome though...xfce ftw)
dd if=/dev/swc666 of=/dev/wyze
Well with a bit of googling and a working brain, you can also use xfce and have the menu entries for BT.
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2. As of the internet connection: You obviously shouldn't connect with NetworkManager as it gets removed during the process. Please connect via Ethernet utilizing the following command instead
3. As of the scripts: Could you please describe your particular problem in more detail? Basically, you just need to save both scripts to a directory of your desire, make them both executable and then execute "convert.sh"Code:# /etc/init.d/networking start
HTH orangeCode:# chmod 755 convert.awk # chmod 755 convert.sh # ./convert.sh
Ok sorry bout the confusing gnome repository statement, what I meant was that if were to do step three first, and then remove KDE it should all still work, although I guess I am about to find out because that is what I am doing right now.


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OFFICIALS are reviewing plans to return horse racing back to a track on the Chelmsford/Braintree border which closed in 2009.
The British Horseracing Authority has confirmed they have begun assessing the 2015 fixtures allocation process application for Chelmsford City Racecourse, formerly known as Great Leighs.
If successful, the venue which was bought out by gambling firm Betfred in a joint venture with SIS and Bet Solutions International last December could see flat racing return after a six year break.
Previous applications to rejoin the racing fixtures list made in 2012 and 2013 have been turned down by the BHA for the all-weather surfaced venue.
It is expected to take a few weeks for a decision to be reached on the application.
When the course opened originally in April 2008, it was the first new track in Britain since 1927 but just nine months later was forced to shut after falling into administration.


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Evolution Hoax
A9 TV; harunyahya.tv, 5 April 2011
An American project, they say. Allah uses America and He uses Russia. Is Turkish-Islamic Union the important thing, or not? Allah can even use an idolater or a pagan as His servant. Allah can use Pharaoh or Nimrod as His servant, or even satan. Was not satan at the Prophet Solomon's (as) command? America will also serve. Russia will serve Turkish-Islamic Union. But we look at them with affection. The CIA and the FBI will help. The Russian secret service will help. They are all under Allah's control and will be obliged to. And they will all submit to Allah. They will serve, willingly or unwillingly. Look, the Qur'an indicates that. Satan serves the Prophet Solomon (as), he serves Muslims. The Prophet Solomon (as) brought about Islamic Union at that time. There were thousands or millions of satans in his army. He explicitly made use of satan. He imposed Islamic moral values on them. Excellent. And so will I. We will make irreligious people religious and made them serve. We will attract devout Jews and Christians. We will establish Turkish-Islamic Union. Then when Jesus the Messiah comes they will all say 'La Ilaha Ill'Allah Muhammadan Rasul'Allah' (I testify that there is no god but Allah, and Mohammad is His Messenger). In the first stage, Hazrat Mahdi (as) will govern them with the genuine Torah and Gospel. That is a hadith. Our Prophet (saas) says so. Islam cannot come about through hatred, only with love.
A9 TV, harunyahya.tv, 2nd broadcast, 5 April 2011