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Hey, is it too trivial to add either in appearance or trivia that Itachi is clinically underweight? Timeel39 (talk) 19:15, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Is the information correct? —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 19:26, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Well according to what others say he should've ideally been between 63-79 kg for his height, but wasn't Itachi terminally ill? I don't think it needs to be mentioned.--Cerez365™ 20:24, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
- If this is about BMI, many other characters would be considered underweight if we actually did the math. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:45, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Not to mention that other countries use different definitions of 'underweight'. What is perfectly normal for one country could be underweight for another. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 00:37, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
- If this is about BMI, many other characters would be considered underweight if we actually did the math. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:45, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Well according to what others say he should've ideally been between 63-79 kg for his height, but wasn't Itachi terminally ill? I don't think it needs to be mentioned.--Cerez365™ 20:24, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
This is rather typical, that the many authors give weight and height numbers that according to BMI would make many of their characters heavily under or overweight so i believe that we should just ignore any such numbers and just list them according to the data we have ^^ --Gojita (talk) 03:53, July 23, 2011 (UTC)Gojita
Itachi's performance in chapter 549
When trying to list Naruto's and Itachi's brief taijutsu battle, we have to make it clear Naruto easily intercepted Itachi and forced him back before B even got involved. He was also forced to retreat from B's Seven Sword Dance, we saw that he was hit by the blows due to the sound effects used. It was really impressive, but Naruto was trying to get confirmation about the Uchiha Clan Massacre and was informing Itachi what happened to Sasuke. Thus, we should add stipulations. Unless you honestly believe Itachi in base can survive a full powered hit from Naruto at full speed in his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode despite what it did to Kisame...--NaruHina fan (talk) 23:03, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
- Ok let me point out the flaws in your logic: first neither Naruto nor Itachi got any hits on one another...second both were talking while fighting...third it was Naruto the first to retreat form Itachi's offensive and Itachi only pulled out to dodge B's attack from behind. Fourth if neither was shown with a clear advantage it's listed as an equal fight...and no mentions to the speed or strength were made. What was mentioned weas the ability in combat and how neither had had any edge against the other. (Also there is always a lot of conversation in Naruto battles) Plus the "forced to retreat" doesn't actually hold any ground since it's natural for a trained ninja to gain as much distance as possible when under a barrage of heavy attacks. So unless in the next chapters we see Naruto outmatching or overpowering Itachi in other hand to hand combat ocassions...it should be stated that both fought on equal levels. Darksusanoo (talk) 23:22, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
- Uh what? The talking was the main point of their clash, both needed to learn about what happened to Sasuke (for Itachi) and the Uchiha Massacre (for Naruto). Naruto using his full speed and power in Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode surpasses A's speed remember, and here he hurt [1] Kisame badly with a single punch despite being clad inside Samehada. Naruto didn't show any of the strength or speed he showed in previous chapters during his clash with Itachi. And Itachi WAS forced to retreat [2] before Killer B even struck. When has Itachi ever shown physical strength on the level of clashing with someone who can push a Tailed Beast Ball (which is incredibly dense) without problems? Or speed that surpasses the Raikage's?--NaruHina fan (talk) 23:29, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
- Ok first off did you fail to notice i never made any reference to the physical strength levels? Second taijutsu isn't just about speed and strength, it about how to attack and block in the most correct ways. Third yes Raikage's speed maybe one of greatest in the series, but if you pay close atention the full extent of Itachi's isn't quite known since the only times he fought he was extremely ill and holding back during his fight (Sasuke fight), and yet it was still incredubly difficult to keep up with him. Now taking into account that as a ressurected shinobi Itachi's physical abilities are likely restored to full health and the fact that he is "programmed" to fight without restrictions means that his physical abilities are now much stronger than in his previous fight. Plus there is no logical reason for Naruto to hold back in the fight, because:
A. Itachi is dead and he'll actually regenerate from any damage done to him. B. (As stated above) As a ressurected ninja his powers are at max meaning he's even more dangerous than before. C. Unlike Itachi, Naruto is alive and can very well take damage and die even with the chakra cloak D. Naruto when learning that no one of Madara's army was actually alive stated he didn't have to hold back. E. By logic it would be easier to fight at full strength, restrain Itachi and the ask the necessary questions. Darksusanoo (talk) 23:54, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
- Itachi's speed and strength are very known in the series. He's not known for being a speedster. And 'extremely ill' and holding back? Those are the only feats we had. And Sasuke had zero trouble keeping up with Itachi outside the genjutsu battle. And yes, against Itachi, he had very logical reasons to hold back. All Naruto was doing there was trying to find out the truth of the Uchiha Massacre. Stop hyping up Itachi and making his brief skirmish with Naruto better than it really was.--NaruHina fan (talk) 00:13, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
I've now attempted to rewrite this article's "Taijutsu" section in order for it to better reflect the capabilities and expertise Itachi demonstrated during this brief encounter, while still placing emphasis on the more questionable aspects that resulted in this discussion in the first place. Hopefully this helps to somewhat resolve both of your respective issues. Blackstar1 (talk) 00:41, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
Anymore opinions please? Darksusanoo (talk) 00:44, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, that's much better Blackstar1. Thanks.--NaruHina fan (talk) 00:48, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
Well then, shall I end this debate? Itachi was epic as usual... On a serious note though I really don't see a need to be inflating either of their ability sections. What are we going to do every time that Naruto fights? "His speed surpassed that of Itachi, Nagato, even the Thirrd Raikage..." It's not necessary to list every feat that they've accomplished against people as a display of their abilities it becomes tedious and simply unnecessary. Both of their abilities are listed with enough details that readers can get a full grasp of it.--Cerez365™ 03:19, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
I would just like to point out that a resurected ninja doesnt necesary has their powers at max, just look at Nagato. Before he absorbed Killer Bee's chakra his state was less than optimal, actually it was the exact same as when he died, not even being able to walk by himself. While its ovious not the fact with everyone (Deidara), does we actually have any information of the other being true, or is it just therories. --Cosmikaze (talk) 15:46, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
Why is Itachi still able to use his Mangekyo?
Weren't his eyes implanted into Sasuke's? He activated them in the latest chapter. —This unsigned comment was made by Aty123321 (talk • contribs) .
- Because if you read Summoning: Impure World Resurrection, you'll see that the resurrection doesn't raise the deceased one's own body, but their soul in the body of a sacrifice. They need just a bit of the person for the summoning contract to work. Other than his soul, and perhaps as little as a drop of blood, nothing in the body Naruto and B are fighting are actually Itachi. I thought everyone knew this, specially after people went nuts when Deidara appeared and everyone was like "how come Kabuto brought him back if his body exploded" and all. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:06, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
So your sayin that those arent deidara nagato kakuzu sasori and itachis bodies.Lil rob (talk) 06:22, July 31, 2011 (UTC)Lil rob
- Exactly. When Orochimaru revived the first and second hokage, he used Zaku Abumi & Kin Tsuchi's bodies as "hosts". Jacce | Talk | Contributions 06:30, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
- People have got to read the articles. They're written for a reason. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:30, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
Crow Summoning?
Would it be wrong to consider that Itachi's able to summon crows? Considering this last crow's first appearance and Itachi's Crow Clone Technique, they appear out of nowhere, so he must summon them, right?Nawirama13 (talk) 18:50, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
- I swore I brought this up. Anyway, I can't seem to remember the crows disappearing like summoned creatures normally do and it's better not to speculate. The crow's odd though since we don't know whether or not it's a summon or Itachi created it or whatnot. Mentioning his affinity and use of them should have been enough.--Cerez365™ 19:00, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
because naruto was caught in the genjutsu before the crow appeared we dont know how it got there. and considering that it's physical cause itachi transplanted shisui's ms into it. and multiple times in the manga itachi is seen with a crow and not just in genjutsu, he;s seen with one on his shoulder when he and sasuke met in that cave were itachi tells sasuke to meet him at the mansion were they had theyre final fight at.184.108.40.206 (talk) 21:49, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm like confused... isn't the crows Itachi's power of Shisui's powers? --Ilnarutoanime 19:27, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
the crow was Itachi-san's and he embedded one of Shisui-san's eyes in his crow.WashingAwaySins (talk) 18:48, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
Can we at least respect…
…the fact that Kotoamatsukami is itachi"s jutsu too!
I dont no why this is being ignored but on the very first page of the manga chapter 550 Kotoamatsukami is referred to as itachi"technique but nobody as listed him as one of the users of it instead i see the credit being given to his crow instead go figure but its clear he says "i used a new genjtsu new" this chap
there also a bunch of weird things going on in his ablites section that looks poorly put togather or put togather by sombody who wants to discredited his skill. —This unsigned comment was made by Jodyjoe0 (talk • contribs) .
Danzō actually used the genjutsu himself, after implanting the eye. Itachi himself never used the technique, he just set up the eye to activate given a certain condition. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:58, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
It says its his jutsu on the first page and itachi himself stated he used it the crow is itachis and itachi gave naruto some of his power i dont no how you can say he never used it when he just stated openly in fact he did. Jodyjoe0 (talk) 01:56, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
Is Itachi Alive?
Hi, I'm sort of new but as of chapter 550 is Itachi alive since he's not controlled by Kabuto..or is he still controlled by Kabuto? The Manga's confuses me.KuroRai 02:13, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Well. He broke free of the control, but he's still not what you and I would call alive. He's an Edo Tensei zombie without any master. Seelentau 愛議 01:17, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Kabuto can no longer control Itachi's actions, though I believe that if he wanted, he could simply recall Itachi, similar to what he did with Deidara when Deidara was fighting Ōnoki, or else release Itachi's soul, making Itachi crumble into ashes and the body of the sacrifice. I don't think that's something Kabuto would do, not unless he has enough of Itachi to make a new sacrifice to summon him, if recalling someone more than once is even possible. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:24, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- By logic, it would be possible. But it would be stupid, because Kabuto could just re-summon Sasori, Shin etc. Seelentau 愛議 12:15, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- So Itachi can't be released by Kabuto? --Ilnarutoanime 12:27, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- I'd say no. Itachi himself said he broke free of Kabuto's control. Why would he be able to release Itachi? Seelentau 愛議 12:32, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Then how would he be released? --Ilnarutoanime 13:07, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Dunno. This is the first time such a thing happened in the Manga. We've to wait for the next few chapters if we want a clear answer. Seelentau 愛議 13:46, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- I think something very anti-climatic will happen, such as Nagato using Soul Removal on Itachi. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:54, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Dunno. This is the first time such a thing happened in the Manga. We've to wait for the next few chapters if we want a clear answer. Seelentau 愛議 13:46, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Then how would he be released? --Ilnarutoanime 13:07, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- I'd say no. Itachi himself said he broke free of Kabuto's control. Why would he be able to release Itachi? Seelentau 愛議 12:32, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- So Itachi can't be released by Kabuto? --Ilnarutoanime 12:27, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- By logic, it would be possible. But it would be stupid, because Kabuto could just re-summon Sasori, Shin etc. Seelentau 愛議 12:15, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Kabuto can no longer control Itachi's actions, though I believe that if he wanted, he could simply recall Itachi, similar to what he did with Deidara when Deidara was fighting Ōnoki, or else release Itachi's soul, making Itachi crumble into ashes and the body of the sacrifice. I don't think that's something Kabuto would do, not unless he has enough of Itachi to make a new sacrifice to summon him, if recalling someone more than once is even possible. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:24, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
He was about to use it, if he had used it, Naruto would be dead right now. He only constricted him with those "chakra dragons", but hasn't yet proceeded to remove his soul. Anyway, Itachi could simply remain an active figure of the Manga, untill that which can free his soul is done... in Itachi's case, that would be Sasuke coming back to the light. After that happens, Itachi will be released from the binding...18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:12, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- @Ilnarutoanime He is using it against Naruto, what I mean is that I think that the end of Edo Itachi will be something anti-climatic, for example, him being "forcefully released" by Nagato, through the use of Soul Removal. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:15, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
So then basically, No... that's a shame =/.KuroRai 18:30, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
Kabuto probably won't be able to release him though, Itachi will most likely help Naruto convince Sasuke to come back, or if he still isn't convinced, maybe they will have a fight.. who knows? --YamatoSan (talk) 17:15, August 7, 2011 (UTC)YamatoSan
itachi abilities article kinda makes him look unimpressive on narutopedia
when reading about itachi article and compareing it to the last data book and whats been said in the manga you dont actually understand how powerful and skilled itachi is...but i read thing like "he was aware of his limitations, given his praise of Jiraiya, saying the best he could do against him was a stalemate" i get the feeling that the person writing or editing the article is trying to discredit itachi or didint actully read the manga before hand.....because it was stated that itachi was only doing and saying thing like that to e-viod conflict its no more true then him wanting to capture kakashi or naruto in part 1 so why was this even added?
also statement like "he is on another level to the others"(Edo Tenseis) by Kabuto or how even madara was always in amazement of itachi are skiped but what is added is "The only thing that Itachi was lacking was his chakra reserves, which was below average" WHAT? when i read minato there arent any negatives when i read jiraya they arent any negatives(he has alot of negative points about his abilities) but itachi has his powers thrown under the bus by narutopdia? it lmost looks in attentional.
i remember it never used to be like this but somebody which i can only conclude is a itachi hater or someone simply doesnt think that highly of him edited him severely to make him look less impressive then what he actually is. Jodyjoe0 (talk) 17:25, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
Itachi did say that about Jiraiya. The fact he was ill puts a damper on his overall potential, him wanting to avoid conflict or not. If you check his databook stats, you'll see he has low stamina, which translates into smaller chakra pool, as chakra is physical energy mixed with spiritual energy. That in turn also showcases his good chakra control since we always see him use powerful techniques. It's interesting, because you're not taking in consideration anything good said about him, such as Sasuke being unable to defeat him despite Itachi's disadvantages. His taijutsu, ninjutsu and Sharingan sections only praise him. That makes you seem one of those people who are very partial towards Itachi, who can't see anything bad being said about him without accusing others of being haters. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:37, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
That is something i wanted to bring up too, actually. I would have especially focused on the line "he was aware of his limitations, given his praise of Jiraiya, saying the best he could do against him was a stalemate". <== Itachi never said anything like this in the Manga, nor did Kisame say something along the lines: "If we both fight him at the same time, maybe we could win". This was Anime-only, like many other things that the Anime team likes to put in. The chapter in question is 144. It's quite the opposite, actually... Kisame states that Jiraiya might be a match for them.220.127.116.11 (talk) 17:42, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
If it was in the anime, we list it as well, as that is also part of the franchise. I'll look for chapter 144 and the corresponding episode. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:47, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- This stalemate statement is kind of ironic actually, given that Itachi and Jiraiya share the same highest stat total (35.5). --kiadony 17:50, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
Its not anime only, the translation may be wrong.--Deva 27 17:53, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
I dont undrstand what your really trying to say here the only person with article that has bad things about him writein is ITACHI!AT LEAST the ones i have read so far in comparison so far and i have read alot of aritcles..
if your going to add the bit about his statment about jiraya then why didnt you add the bit where he openly states only a person with the same bloodline as him could defeat him? you see what im saying? why was that left out but the jiraya part added? ITACHI NOT TELLING THE TRUTH THERE? but he was when he praised jiraya?
you also forget itachi was just talking about himself but also kiasme as well with more men as back up to make it worst itachi didnt no what jiraya was capable of so what makes this statment so accurate to.
also the databook goes of of recent condition like sarutobi speed and strength being decreased because his old age itachi stamina is not actually that low it was because he was sick.
like i told you up there when i read minato jiraya and even sarutobi i dont see any negatives in fact i read inaccurate statements. to make them look stronger like minato being unsurpassable which raikage only said in the context of him thinking he was the chosen one because of jiraya told him so but you dont dare say according to raikage minato is a idiot.NO! only things that make him look good are added so why isnt itachi given the same treatment?
im wondering why are you attcaking my character for me making in observation calling me partial towards Itachi? WHAT? so your the one making him look that way?Jodyjoe0 (talk) 18:24, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not saying you are, I'm saying it makes you look like. The only bad things ever said or shown about Jiraiya's ability was that he sucked at genjutsu, and that he didn't master Sage Mode. Itachi was said to keep himself alive with medicine, but was never said since when, or for how long he did that. For all we know, he could already be sick when he was introduced. Kimimaro was also fatally ill, but his stamina in the databook is 4.5, though I think that the fact he has a cursed seal puts his stamina up as well, something Itachi didn't have. Hiruzen's article shows that he has lost a lot of his power with age, as shown with the limited use of Shadow Clones. Minato's article has few negatives about him because the manga itself shows few negatives about him, such as failing to combine nature transformation with the Rasengan. I list what the manga and anime show, just that. What makes Itachi look good is that he was able to do everything he did, despite having the fatal illness disadvantage, something that in my opinion makes him even more impressive, not less. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:48, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
i see so what has been listed is a representation of what you believe makes itachi impressive? i think i understand now.This also explains why his abilities section his changed so much since the time of his death.it makes sense i doubt all the editors are objective with opinions after all it went from"itachi is a exceptionally gifted who easlly deafeated several powerful shniboi(whos names got listed) to "he was aware of his limitations, given his praise of Jiraiya, saying the best he could do against him was a stalemate(even though kisame was postive itachi would beat him)
But i can see what has happend but i digressJodyjoe0 (talk) 20:48, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
Don't get mad at the wiki get mad at Kishi, as the manga went on since his first shown fight a lot about him has been revealed good and bad. If anything, Kishi has shown that he is a amazing ninja who prepares for many situations and has great chakra control.Umishiru (talk) 20:55, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
Im not mad at kishi or wiki
But i wonder if you were going by whats shown then isnt only right to add that only a sharingan user can beat him? you no since he said so and proved it?you see what i did there openly used one statment that can be proven false but yall ignored the other which cant!im not saying add both but im saying it exposes a certain bias for some character and how you write their articles
that one had to be ignored right for someones own personal veiws on the matter LOL but like i said i digress! Jodyjoe0 (talk) 21:22, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
i just reread chapter 144 in the viz media manga translation and kisame said "even if you might be able to take him on, i'm not so sure about me... he's in a different league." then itachi said "yeah... if we faced off, we might end up killing each other. at the very least, we'd hurt each other badly. ...and even if i had more backup, it probably wouldn't change the outcome." on page 126.96.36.199.111 (talk) 21:56, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
I have already requested ShounenSuki the translation of that page, and gave him a link for him to compare with what was said in the anime. He told me once that generally, Viz does a good job in translating dialogue, but not such a great job at translating the names of things, such as various techniques. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:40, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
what does viz mistranslating on various techniques have to do with this? but yes i'd like to know what shounensuki's translation is. i just wanted to say that the manga does talk about the stalemate even though i was a little late.18.104.22.168 (talk) 21:44, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
And there at the end of the confrontaion with jiraya kisame states itachi could of beaten him and itachi changes the conversation. you have to realize itachi entire role that kishi is protraying he wants to protect the village not destroy it so he would of stated anything to sway kisame from battle with jiraya the statement had nothing to do with jiraya strength because itachi has never fought him. ita all in the context of itachis character.Jodyjoe0 (talk) 22:11, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
in the viz translation chapter 148 page 7. kisame says "why did we have to retreat...? ...with your eye power..." and itachi then said "...there's no need to be impatient... none. ...besides which, i must also... rest my body in one place for the foreseeable future. for not only tsukuyomi, the nightmare realm... but i was forced to use the amaterasu as well..." as it clearly states using the tsukuyomi or amaterasu uses up alot of chakra especialy using both. and as we know itachi has low stamina which equals low chakra reserves. besides which itachi looked fatigued when saying it in both the manga and anime. and jiraiya is strong itachi would half to use high level techniques when fighting him. he already used too much chakra that day even if he wanted to he wouldn't have been able to do much. also to note he already fought kurenai, kakashi, sasuke, and by extension asuma and guy, which are all very powerful shinobi in their onwn rite (not as powerful as itachi though, but still) and adding jiraiya on top of that along with itachi's earlier comment that even with kisame jiraiya would most likley match him, itachi would be at a large disadvantage.220.127.116.11 (talk) 22:34, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
You commented on the viz media translation, I commented on what I heard about its quality, just that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:21, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
i understand.126.96.36.199 (talk) 22:36, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
so you both agree that what has been writen about itachi"s limitations regarding jiraya is incorrect?
at least that what it sounds like. Jodyjoe0 (talk) 23:24, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
Not yet. We're still waiting for ShounenSuki's translation, which comes directly from the original Japanese. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:36, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
no jodyjoe im not agreeing with you, though i myself am a fan of itachi i do not beleive anyone here downsized itachi's abilities. but what omnibender said were still waiting for shounensuki's translation.188.8.131.52 (talk) 00:40, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
Look every editor of this wiki agree's that Itachi's one the most powerfull and skilled ninja of the series...that being said he did have flaws in his fighting style like other ninjas and he was not undefeatable (His low stamina and that his arsenal lacked some versatility and that his top 3 jutsu took over 30% of his chakra each). And given the fact that he was refering to Jiraiya's abilities it's not that much of a long shot as a statement. Darksusanoo (talk) 01:01, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
i completley agree with you.220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:06, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
ITS NOT ABOUT AGREEING WITH ME. its about misinformation the VIZ trans seems to agree with me....lets see what ShounenSuki's translation says. Jodyjoe0 (talk) 04:30, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
yes lets. and you don't half to use all caps.18.104.22.168 (talk) 04:40, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
i said i was agreeing with darksusanoo.188.8.131.52 (talk) 04:41, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
So, from the looks of it, Itachi and Kisame do consider Jiraiya to be superior. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:13, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
Whoa... how can all the translations miss(translate) this? I mean it's one thing to say that the best Itachi could do against Jiraiya is a stalemate, but saying that Jiraiya may be a match for Itachi and Kisame is another. They skipped about three panels worth of conversation. I can't believe the Anime was actually more cannon than the Manga itself. Well, alright, i guess it's clear now, though i still find this praising of Jiraiya a bit too much... 220.127.116.11 (talk) 00:34, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
- I fail to see how Kishimoto's own praise of his character is "a bit much"...--Cerez365™ 01:23, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
I can tell fanboy editors when i see them...give me a break so jiraya in base(without HM)is as strong as both itachi and kisame at the same time?
and logic does not previl? nobody sees how this IS impossible? THE SAME TIME IN BASE? so never mind kisame saying itachi would be able to beat him? thats not a hint? never mind itachis role in protecting the village?
ON SECOND THOUGHT never mind i geuss since this is a place for fans the editor can praise there fav charcaters as much as they want.(Cerez,Umishiru,Omnibender)
BUT one last question since jiraya is on par wiith BOTH itachi and kisame why is kiasme left out of the statment and doesnt this mean jiraya is stronger then itachi why do you guys stop at limations? itachi has never even faced jiraya184.108.40.206 (talk) 06:41, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
1) Please prove that I have ever unfairly edited Itachi's article to make him look weaker than he is or Jiraiya's to make him look stronger than he is.
2)A) I just went over both articles, both list negatives that are supported by the manga, Itachi admitted to not being stronger as proved through the translations, and was getting weaker due to a disease besides the downsides of his MS and a smaller pool.
B)Jiraiya never mastered Sage jutsu, and wasn't good at Genjutsu thus needed outside help to cast one.
C)Itachi's negatives praise him more as they show despite his negatives he matches Jiraiya, shows great masterly under such negatives and has shown more resourcefulness/prepareness if you read their articles.
D)Overall its actuality's Itachi's article that is better. It seems to me your a Itachi fan who is upset that someone could be stronger than him. Get over it and if your so mad about it write a letter or something to Kishi or go post angry posts on a forum(this is not a forum).
4)Fanboy editors? Now your just getting out of hand and upset.If you have nothing to add beyond accusing others as fanboys and arguing against the manga then please move on.Umishiru (talk) 07:14, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
Im not mad and if i ma it is at the possiblity of this place being considered crediable.
If kishis words were god to you then why isnt it added that only a sharingan user can beat itachi? GTFO YOUR JUST A FANBOY trying to play editor.
but whatever like i said this just a place where fans write up favorable articles about there fav charcaters I GET THAT NOW so just keep typing your BS.
yea right nice fanfic so now jiraya in base without sage mode> itachi and kisame both at the same time?ONCE AGAIN GTFOH.126.96.36.199 (talk) 07:16, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
1)And what your more credible?
2)Can you link me to the chapter and page where that was said? And have you actually read the manga? Consider the fight that is going on now and his jutsu being trumped by Killer Bee. Kishi has changed a lot and has done retcon since that fight in pt.1. We go by what is in the manga, as said before Itachi admitted to a stalemate with Jiraiya, the databook stats support this, also there is a such thing as boasting as none of the ninja he was facing at the time could beat him and as Madara said the purpose of his visit was to warn the village about him. Lets just say for a second that he was lying despite the databook backing of his statement, how do we know he wasn't boasting back then both statements were made in the same arc anyway.
3)No your just being unreasonable please point out any sentence in either section that are bs beyond what your harping about,(the stalemate statement).
4)Sigh sounds like your just mad because your character isn't as strong in teh canon as he is in your mind. Sorry we go by the manga and databooks which come from Kishi himself, not from the angry posts of some disgruntled fan.Umishiru (talk) 07:26, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
Futher more to clear this non-sense up orochimaru beat jiraya twice so the idea of itachi is lucky to match jiraya is a joke and shows your fanboy because itachi beat orochimaru with ease twice.
Itachi only said those thing about jiraya to aviod a large scale battle(somthing that he said he was trying to do) because he was on the leafs side as the manga stated
And kisame says itachi would beat jiraya so in the end your using old statments and flawed logic to place a charcater on a level where he is not.
jiraya could not even face animal realm in base and now he trumps arubly the most powerful duo in the manga?clearly you people dont even read the manga you just hear about char pick you fav and write!
GOOD FANFIC GTFOH sound like a jiraya fanboy became editor!220.127.116.11 (talk) 07:37, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
1) Jiraiya was younger than he was now when he first face Oro and probably weaker than his older modern self. If you are talking about the fight back in the Tsunade arc as well, remember his chakra control was being messed up by the poison Tsunade gave him.
2) Going by your logic if Itachi was lying about the stalemate with Jiraiya then what else is he lying about? Which therefore means everything he saids should be taken with a grain of salt. What do we have next to compare? Databook which overall lists their abilities as a stalemate.
3) Please read the battle, Jiraiya was facing an opponent with way different abilities than what Itachi was sporting, plus Nagato admitted that if Jiraiya knew about the 6 bodies from the start he would have lost. Please prove that I have favored one character over another in terms of ability section, please link me to those edits.Umishiru (talk) 07:46, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
Listen im not going to Argue any more because its clear your a jirayatard and as big as they come i dont need to prove anything more.
because you thinking jiraya>itach and kisame both together regardless of if he has HM or not is seriously enough edvidence to prove your a biased tard/editor with no crediableity what so ever...and its enough to show that nobody should be reading your article that you edit its really enough to discredit the site well maybe not the whole site but enough respect will drop rep will be ruined
your no better then the hardcore fanboys on narutoforums in fact i bet your one of them its disgraceful that your even editor at the place thats supposed to info on everything naruto but i geuss any random fanboy can becomce a editor if you got the job not that big of a deal i geuss oh well.
Might as well call it Narutardopedia!
GOODAY SIR.18.104.22.168 (talk) 08:15, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
1)So your accusing me of being a jiraiya fanboy without any proof. Nice.
2)A)What are you talking about, have you have seen my edits? The edits I made Itachi expanded his abilities section and I add a negative to Jiraya's ability section because both are supported by the manga not some angry fan post.
B) I did not even create the Jiraya and Itachi articles and most of the stuff comes from other editors.
3) Fanboy? You never proved that I was a fanboy of anything. I asked you for proof of such claims and you have turned up nothing and only dug in deeper with your argument without any proof whatsoever by just insulting others. Yes anyone can become a editor as long as they make constructive edits that do not go against the official material.
4) I guess your done then. Thank you. The next time you come to the site please talk about something important or make constructive edits and not insulting others who don't agree with you, otherwise you are wasting everyones time.
5)Good day to you sir also.Umishiru (talk) 08:23, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
So uhm, I got lost somewhere after my last comment because of all the tirades and lulz. But I will say one thing, Narutopedia is probably the most objective, non-biased site you'll even find to represent information on the Naruto series. I'll admit to being a fanboy and i'm sure everybody has their favourite character(s) (I for one think everyone is awesome except Ebisu >.>) but it's for that reason why there are more than one editors on the wikia that always help each other to state facts from a non-biased standpoint, that's what I like about this place.
Now as it pertains to Jiraiya, we got a translation directly from our resident translator, whom we have the utmost faith in. If Kishimoto wants to heap praises on his own character why should that not be represented? No one said that Jiraiya without Sage Mode could defeat Itachi and Kisame, but the two men did say they had no hope of winning.--Cerez365™ 11:02, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
Even if it has been said, one has to use some degree of... well, lacking a better word, i would say "logic", to deduce things. There is no way both Itachi and Kisame at the same time will "have no hope of winning" against Jiraiya. The best Itachi could do against Jiraiya is a stalemate... that has already been estimated (somewhat further proven, by their equal Databook stats). Kisame is probably weaker than Jiraiya... that is also fact. But Jiraiya cannot defeat Itachi+Kisame... 126.96.36.199 (talk) 19:19, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
- So we're supposed to refute the mangaka's own words, in favour of
personal bias"logic"?--Cerez365™ 19:22, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
If i had to take everything mangaka says for truth, then i guess only a Sharingan user can defeat another Sharingan user, meaning Jiraiya stands no chance against Itachi, which isn't the case. "Personal bias", eh? So somehow, Itachi is equal to Jiraiya, or at least close to his power... but at the same time, Itachi+Kisame "have no hope of winning"... *facepalm*
Jiraiya was yet to be seen in battle, at that time... i remember when Tsunade was about to be introduced, she was said to be the strongest Kunoichi ever, although i can think of at least two Kunoichi who are stronger than her. Hiruzen feared that no one in the leaf could stop Orochimaru, even though he pwned him, Hashirama and Tobirama, in the end. What i'm trying to say is, that i think Kishimoto tends to overhype soon-to-be introduced/seen in battle characters, just so we can be aware of their power, without actually showing any backup for it (not then, at least). Believe what you want, but you can't just blindly take everything that is said for truth, even though it contradicts with something that was also stated earlier/later on... 188.8.131.52 (talk) 19:46, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
- Please show me where it is said that only a Sharingan user can defeat another, because that was only said for Dust Release. The closest thing to that is only a Sharingan can counter another.
- I won't even comment on the Tsunade bit because that'd just be speculation.
- Hiruzen died and Orochimaru's ambitions were halted not stopped by him.
- They're Kishimoto's characters and if it's all the same to you we'd rather take his words over your own. You seem to be looking to make concessions for whatever personal fanboy reasons. The information as we get it will always be represented as we get it and no other way. --Cerez365™ 19:57, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
I am guessing you are from Onemanga since there is a big Jiraiya/Itachi discussion going on. We go by what is in the manga not what you and your cohorts decide to believe on that forum. If you want a site full of fan speculation then go to the Naruto Fanon Wiki or make your own. This isn't onemanga's personal speculation wiki. Unless you have manga or databook proof proving your right please go away as there are more pressing matters than your need for Itachi to be elevated to a higher level than needed. I expanded Itachi's ability article and added a negative to Jiraiya's ability section, Shoun provided a translation that pretty much resolves that whole stalemate statement issue. If you've come to no more than try to get us to add in onemanga speculation then it won't work.Umishiru (talk) 19:59, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
- It was said at the time Madara was explaining to Sasuke the truth behind the Uchiha clan massacre. At one point, Madara mentioned that the higher-ups knew that "only a Sharingan user is a match for another Sharingan user", and that is precisely why they decided to make Itachi slaughter them. I'm sorry i can't provide a precise chapter, but i simply don't want to look for it
- Fine..
- When Hiruzen began showing his concern of Orochimaru's power, i thought that it was going to be a one-on-one fight. But it was basicly carried out by Shodaime and Nidaime, not Orochimaru. He did not show those abilities he was so feared of, he simply summoned two people to fight for him. In the Manga, it's even worse, because there Orochimaru summoned the Hokages right out the box, without first fighting with Hirzen a bit, which was added in the Anime. Hiruzen would have crushed Orochimaru without his Edo Tensei, but Kishimoto had to somehow defend what was previously stated by him...
- Please don't call me a fanboy, it makes you look really banal with that sort of... "insult", which generally goes around Narutopedia, when someone does not know what else to add. I'm not being a fanboy, if accusing Kishimoto of contradicting his own statements is fanboyism, then yes, i am a fanboy. You didn't say anything about how if Itachi is equal to Jiraiya, both Itachi and Kisame don't stand a chance against him, but i kinda get why...
Umishiru, i'm not from Onemanga, i honestly thought that site was closed, because they couldn't provide Manga anymore, and all of their database got deleted. Huh... well, anyway, i don't get what everyone is accusing me in. I don't know who added the line: "he was aware of his limitations, given his praise of Jiraiya, saying the best he could do against him was a stalemate", but we now know it is true, because ShounenSuki proved it, so it should stay. No one is saying otherwise...
What i don't consider truth is another thing, which i already explained... 126.96.36.199 (talk) 20:38, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
1) Since you don't have proof then you have nothing to back up your statement. I doubt a sharingan user is invincible, thus the method of beating a sharingan user as mentioned by Chiyo. Itachi was the top ninja of his clan, and as pointed out he used Madara's assistance in the massacre not to mention Danzo was present as well. Plus Hashirama beat Madara putting a big hole in your speculation.
2)Personal opinion, we go back what is shown and said not what people speculate on. I have my own opinion concerning Oroichimaru and Hiruzen but I don't let it bleed into the articles.
3)I never called you a fanboy that was Cerez. Kishi is the creator and writer of Naruto, therefore what he writes overrides anyone's opinion on the matter. He has done more questionable things than simply make Itachi equal to Jiraiya, but because its HIS work not yours, mine, or the sites, what he saids goes. Don't like it? Tough cookies.
4) Since we are bringing up liars and questionable statements, since Madara has lied on a big issue already its safe to say that anything he saids should be taken with a grain of salt.
5) Can you provide proof he wasn't aware of his limitations? Or you simply don't want to provide proof.
6) In this site you have to provide proof of what your trying to prove otherwise it is no more than just speculation, that is what keeps speculation out of the site.Umishiru (talk) 22:30, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
ok this whole discussion just turned into an argument that is taking up too much space on this page. shounensuki already translated the whole stalemate statement thingy, it should have ended at that but no, if you wanna argue do it on some forum. we already have proof of kisame/ itachi vs. jiraiya stalemate thing and hiruzen only lost cause he was to old and conpared to his younger self weak, now i admit i am alittle biased towards tsunade so i aint gonna talk about that , and kishi has the rite to to do whatever the hell he wants with his manga and just cause someones fav. charector turns ot to not be as strong as they want they get pissy and go on a rant, which i personaly think is kinda petty. now would this discussion please end its unecisary and unwanted, so stop this pety argueing and grow up. and like my mother used to say if you anit got nuthin nice to say shut the hell up.184.108.40.206 (talk) 23:15, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
oh and im not calling umishiru or cerez petty im calling 95437685 and 6622947197 petty :).184.108.40.206 (talk) 23:20, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
Umishiru, those points weren't adressed at you, so why even bother answering? I'll just adress your first point, for you to learn to read, before posting. I'll quote myself from earlier: If i had to take everything mangaka says for truth, then i guess only a Sharingan user can defeat another Sharingan user, meaning Jiraiya stands no chance against Itachi, which isn't the case. I assume you thought i really think Sharingan users to be invincible, which goes to show that you really don't read...
All i wanted from the start was to be explained this: if Itachi is equal to, or at least close to Jiraiya, in terms of power, then how does Itachi+Kisame have "no hope of winning", as Cerez puts it. I asked it as nicely as i could, but he decided to be a tough guy about it, and went ahead with some "clever" responce. Then he called me a fanboy, for no obvious reason. Then you come along, stating that everything that is written here is based on Manga, and what Kishimoto says. Alright, i agreed a long time ago, when Shounen provided the translation, that Itachi is aware of his limitations, and that the best he could do against Jiraiya is a stalemate. But no one answered my question, just goes on being a dick about it. Fine... 18.104.22.168 (talk) 02:05, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
Then ask Kishi because it was Itachi who said with the addition of Kisame there wouldn't be a difference in outcome not us.Plus Kisame showed doubt before Itachi even chimed in. Your questioning the manga, in that case go ask Kishi not us, we don't write Naruto or make any decisions about what goes in it, Kishi does that. If you have nothing to add other than angst then please don't add anything at all.Umishiru (talk) 03:12, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
This entire section has outlived its purpose. Let it die. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:26, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
Itachi's illness slowed him down greatly. It caused his stamina to decrease meaning he couldn't move around to much which also corrupted his speed as well and i dont know about his chakra level being below average because his illness or not. This is why he had to rely on his MS in most of his fights. The thing with Jiraiya had me a little confused too i mean he would of did alright but fighting Jiraiya while ill does sound sucidal....anyway dont worry, we all know itachi is a beast even while his sick.
1.) At age 7, he graduated from the Ninja Academy at the top of his class after only one year
2.) His a true successor of the Sharingan
3.) He cut Orochimaru's hand off and Sealed him away
4.) Beat kakashi while ill
5.) Arguely defeated sasuke while ill and blind(i dont care what anyone says)
6.) Kisame considered him the strongest of the two
7.) And Madara even noted to sasuke he would have died if itachi was fighting to kill TailedBeast (talk) 00:58, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
PLEASE ADD YASAKA'S MAGATAMA—This unsigned comment was made by SLAYER13PH (talk • contribs) .
- Using capital letters doesn't help. It is only annoying.
- Sign your posts with ~~~~
- It has already been added, under the technique section. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 06:19, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
please add it also to the tools section with sword of totsuka and yata's mirror thanks!—This unsigned comment was made by SLAYER13PH (talk • contribs) .
- In order to ad it, it's article needs a tool infobox (which automatic adds it in the tool/weapon section). It is being discussed here. Also, sign your posts. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 06:31, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
Itachi's susano'o fingers.
Excus me i just want to ask a question about itachi's susano'o's fingers.
we know that it had 5 fingers in the anime....
but, in the last chapters(551) it has 6 FINGERS, i'm confused.
You can see it and notice it when he hold naruto and B...or maybe i imagined it?
THANKYOU11:56, August 18, 2011 (UTC)Small brother (talk)
- Hey Smalls~ I can count six as well. The first time we saw Itachi's Susanoo though it only had 5 fingers and Sasuke's had 6, I suppose this should be mentioned somewhere.--Cerez365™ 12:14, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
That's right, i agree with you, and thank you now i'm not confused(thus i'm not imagined....HeHeeehhehehe).
THANKYOU12:45, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
Itachi's Eyes
How can he still have his Mangekyō eyes when he was revived? It was implanted to Sasuke. --Ilnarutoanime 17:46, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
- This Itachi is an Edo Tensei zombie...read the article about it and you'll get your answer. Darksusanoo (talk) 17:50, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
Should we add this : "Itachi is the first to be free from Summoning: Impure World Resurrection." to his trivia.akz! (talk) 16:35, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
- that's what we call junk trivia.-Cerez365™ 16:40, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
Should we write that he became an ally of the Shinobi Alliance in his page after his death, or is it still too soon? Can he be considered a supporting character or does his deeds after his death and ressurrection not relevant?--Kai Maciel (talk) 16:39, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
- If you mean the legacy section, I think something can be mentioned there yes.--Cerez365™ 16:40, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
A minor mistake
"(To Naruto) "Your dream was father's dream, wasn't it? Remember this well then. The village did not acknowledge him because he became Hokage. He became the Hokage because the village acknowledged him."
Should be
"(To Naruto) "Your dream was your father's dream, wasn't it? Remember this well then. The village did not acknowledge him because he became Hokage. He became the Hokage because the village acknowledged him." —This unsigned comment was made by ItachiWasAHero (talk • contribs) .
- What exactly is the difference between the two?--Cerez365™ 20:27, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
The first one lacks "your" before "father's". I changed it already. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:00, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
the statement about Itachi "stalemating" Jiraiya
i don't think that should be in the page at all. that statement holds very little value considering the revelations that Itachi was in konoha's side from the start and thus had no reason to fight Jiraiya, and Kisame later thinking that it was unnecesary for Itachi to retreat ("why is a retreat necessary...for you?") reduces its worth even further.
If not removed altogether, i'd say there should at least be some notes explaining that the statement should be taken with a big grain of salt. especialy considering Itachi's performance as of late , it certainly doesn't look like Jiraiya was in his level at all.--ReijiH (talk) 10:48, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
Read this. We won't be entertaining this argument any further.--Cerez365™ 11:29, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
Itachi's Stamina
He's been given a 2.5 in the stat, showing he's naturally low. Kimimaro has a 4.5 despite being on his literal death bed and in far worse condition than Itachi was. As far as we know, sicknesses, bloodlines, and biju traits aren't reflective in stats because of this. Whats wrong with saying that his illness presumably made it worse? Why does his illness have to be the cause of his piss poor stamina? Its like you want to take away one of Itachi's few weaknesses.--NaruHina fan (talk) 00:17, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
Re: Itachi's Stamina
I think i'll put this here so it can be a more general discussion.
In regards to the statement- "The only thing that Itachi was lacking was his chakra reserves, which were below average. This was presumably due to his illness." Though I don't particularly like when statements like these are made based off stats and such but it ties in with his illness and all… I'm not saying that Itachi's stamina was initially high or anything like that, but at the same time we have nothing to go off- no previous stats or information to compare. So I think it should stay as is (though rewritten since that's supposed to be one complete idea).--Cerez365™ 00:22, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Its kind of alluded to that Itachi's illness struck him during the Timeskip. Or Maybe a little after, given how he started to rush things with Sasuke, Cerez. And before that, we learned that three MS uses made him unable to use the Sharingan at all, and with just 30% chakra, he couldn't use the Mangekyo Sharingan at all. --NaruHina fan (talk) 00:26, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Oui but at the same time, do we know of anyone that is stated to have used their Mangekyō Sharingan with 30% of their chakra O.o? I also don't assume that it happened over the time skip just because. He could have found out before that and realised that the drugs weren't working like they did before and began "rushing" his plans. The point is that we don't know what his stamina was like before or when exactly he got ill--Cerez365™ 00:33, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Itachi himself said he couldn't use his MS when he was using his Shoten Clone, which could use all his other abilities. And look at Kimimaro, someone who couldn't even talk without getting closer to death. Yet he gets 4.5 in Stamina?--NaruHina fan (talk) 00:37, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Kimimaro isn't Itachi. Diseases will have different effects on people, not to say that in any way that they had the same illness which is another factor.--Cerez365™ 00:49, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
- There's a way to bring this issue to a close end. Do we know what specifically the databooks stats refer to? Do they mean basic, non-enhanced stats? Does it take in consideration kekkei genkai, or transplants, or illnesses? If you know that, you know what to consider. 00:54, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Cerez, Kimimaro was literally walking himself to death, in far, far, far worse condition than Itachi. Yet he has a high 4.5 in stamina while Itachi, whose illness seems less extreme or less advanced, has a 2.5. Kishimoto is kind of being clear that illnesses, Kekkei Genkai, and transplants don't affect stats. --NaruHina fan (talk) 01:32, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Kimimaro isn't Itachi. Diseases will have different effects on people, not to say that in any way that they had the same illness which is another factor.--Cerez365™ 00:49, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Itachi himself said he couldn't use his MS when he was using his Shoten Clone, which could use all his other abilities. And look at Kimimaro, someone who couldn't even talk without getting closer to death. Yet he gets 4.5 in Stamina?--NaruHina fan (talk) 00:37, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
There are far too many unknowns and you're making assumptions. For one thing, we don't know just how bad Kimimaro's disease was in comparison to Itachi's. Kabuto said that the reason he couldn't give him meds was because of the little information on his particular body. It appears that Itachi's disease was somewhat manageable with meds. And if I remember correctly, Madara said that Itachi took meds to forcibly keep him alive to fight Sasuke. Such drugs would certainly have adverse effects. Personally, I'm neutral to the removal of that line. Skitts (talk) 00:05, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
Itachi's Age?
What would itachi's age be when he assasinated his own clan??—This unsigned comment was made by Pspranits (talk • contribs) .
- He would've been about thirteen years old. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 12:32, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
Debunking Itachi's "low stamina" myth
First off all, if someone already brought up this argument then I'm sorry for not checking first, but anyway just read it.
For Itachi to master the Sharingan at age 8, and gokakyu no jutsu at age 7, his stamina could not have been naturally low, as Kakashi* stated that a jutsu like gokakyu no jutsu requires more than average chakra reserves and most genin shouldn't be able to do this technique.
(Note that Kakashi was surprised that Sasuke was able to do it at age 12 whereas Itachi already was able to do it at age 7 and on his first try, something a 7 years old Sasuke couldn't do*)
"When Sasuke first tried to perform the technique, he only produced a small flame and after that, some smoke. His father said that Itachi was able to do it on his first try at Sasuke's age, which disappointed him. Later, with one week of training, Sasuke (age 7 at the time) performed the technique in front of his father, proving himself a genius as well in his own right and finally receiving his father's recognition."
So just how high was Itachi's stamina before he contracted his fatal illness? Though I don't think he possessed enormous chakra reserves like Naruto or Kisame but I do believe that it should be higher than the "2.5" score.
And for those who'll mention the database score (Or specifically Kimimaro), I have an interesting fact for you guys..... so according to you, database score > fact in manga?
Don't get what I'm saying? Then check this out.
Gai has a 5 stamina in all of his databooks whereas Lee only has 3 in his first 2 books and 3.5 in his last book, so according to that Gai should be superior to Lee in stamina's department, right?
But what about this manga scan? http://www.mangareader.net/93-243-13/naruto/chapter-238.html
And surprisingly. an Naruto wiki editor happen to agree with me as you can see on this sentence. "Lee's willingness to train in the same manner as Guy seems to have caused him to surpass his master's stamina, as by the end of Part I, Guy has difficulty keeping up with Lee, lamenting that he is not as youthful as he once was.* "
- http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Might_Guy (on his personality column)
I expect a change in Itachi's article.—This unsigned comment was made by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) .
Mastering the Sharingan by age 8 means nothing. It takes the Uchiha very little chakra to activate it, so no real strain there. About Great Fireball, I see your point, but there's something else that I think should also be considered which is chakra control. Those with good chakra control spend less chakra per technique, and he has a five in the hand seal statistic. You mentioned the databook statistic on stamina yourself. If they take in account disease, Itachi's healthy stamina was probably greater, and Kimimaro's was stupidly greater, if they don't, Itachi simply had low stamina. Regardless, we don't know if they do. About Guy and Lee, that is in his page because it was actually in the manga. I don't recall an explicit comparison like that ever being made between Sasuke and Itachi. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:48, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
About that I don't see how Itachi can perform susanoo with low stamina or chakra for that purpose.Itachi can perform many techniques wich require high chakra.As for stamina we never seen him doing any hardwork during battle as he could easily defeat his opponent,so we cannot exactly tell whether he had stamina greater than mentioned in his stats. `pspranits—This unsigned comment was made by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) .
Itachi's power
Had it not been the disease that made Itachi weak he could have easily been on the top list in Naruot series in terms of stats!Even greater than jiraya!—This unsigned comment was made by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs) .
- As of the latest databook, Itachi and Jiraiya are the strongest Ninja in the series. I know this has changed much, but the last databook is the only source we can really rely on, since it gives us the states and all Seelentau 愛議 07:46, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
Once again itachi's illness slowed him down and made him a bit weaker and i think it interfered with his stamina, endurance and chakra lvl. Plus he was always fighting half blind but itachi was still powerful enough. We finally saw him at full power fighting with Naruto, Nagato and killer bee while they where at full power as well. Rite now i think itachi has been pushed to the back of the line a little because several people have gotten stronger and new strong people are being introduced into the series. Lets see...Naruto, Sasuke, Kabuto and Chōji moved up. A, killer bee and alot of other new kages have been introduced.TailedBeast (talk) 01:44, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
Madara was wary of him in his sick and half blind state. Itachi with full power and eyesight is a monster. I think even with Eternal Mangekyo, Sasuke can't beat him. Only Madara with the Rinnegan has a chance I say. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:17, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
- Ok first off this isn't a forum for these kinda of statements...like it was said before the databooks are our source and those state Itachi's power...second yes he is immensely powerfull but there are other who may be able to face him (and even defeat him) at this point...Sasuke was stated to have enough potential to defeat Itachi if given enough time and training, his progression after attaining the MS and the battles with the 5 kages and then his aquisition of the EMS makes his current level much stronger...Naruto with the Sage Mode, Nine-Tails Mode, etc, Madara with the Rinnegan, Kabuto with Oro's DNA...right now there are too much variabls to be sure...Darksusanoo (talk) 01:34, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
No. The only thing stated between him an Itachi is his Sharingan has potential to be stronger. He has the potential to become stronger than Nagato from when he was in his chair. Itachi is the reason they defeated EDO NAGATO who was at full power and healthy. Itachi took on Bee and Naruto and never got hit in any way. He is still above Naruto and Sasuke, and most likely still above Bee. Madara has a fair chance of beating him now that he has the Rinnegan too. Other than that Itachi is a plain out MONSTER, and Darksusanoo before you come at me with that bullshit do your research. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 03:02, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps but i don't think that itachi is any stronger than sasuke, naruto or bee right now. You can say he is alot more wise and experienced, that was proven pretty clear already. And besides Naruto and Bee were not really fighting back, just countering from the looks of it.TailedBeast (talk) 15:09, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
As Cerez pointed out several sections above, we will no longer discuss whether or not Itachi was could defeat Jiraya as he already admitted to a stalemate. Anyway, there are a few problems with comparing Rikudo Mode Naruto and Itachi based on their short fight. First of all, Naruto created about a dozen clones, dimisnishing his chakra. While that isn't a huge deal for someone with that amount of chakra, he wasn't a full strength technically. Secondly, Itachi was somewhat under Kabuto's control, so we don't know how that would affect his fighting style. That's about all I can say without resorting to speculation. Skitts (talk) 17:30, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
Could you pls just stop this discussion? This is not a forum. Go elsewhere to discuss this matter, please. Seelentau 愛議 18:35, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


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NYC Parks Events Calendar
Get up, get out, and do something! Just about any day of the year, you can find something fun, informative, and healthy to enjoy at an area park. Feel free to browse the listings below, or use the search tools to find an event that matches your interests and location.
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Tuesday, August 23, 2016
Garden Crew
at Friends of Van Cortlandt Park Compost Demo Site (in Van Cortlandt Park), Bronx
10:00 a.m.–1:00 p.m.
Help care for our vegetable beds at Friends' Compost and Garden Site.
Category: Volunteer
Youth Tech Workshop: Game Design Using Scratch
at Al Oerter Recreation Center (in Flushing Meadows Corona Park), Queens
10:00 a.m.–1:00 p.m.
Middle-school-age kids learn how to create games for their smartphones using Scratch.
Category: Accessible, Arts & Crafts, Games, Best for Kids
Youth Tech Workshop: Photoshop Animated
at Hamilton Fish Recreation Center (in Hamilton Fish Park), Manhattan
10:00 a.m.–1:00 p.m.
Students use photography and Photoshop to create basic animations.
Category: Accessible, Education, Best for Kids
Summer on the Hudson: Game Days
at 125th Street and Marginal Street (in West Harlem Piers), Manhattan
10:00 a.m.–2:00 p.m.
Join Summer on the Hudson in West Harlem Piers Park for games such as giant tic-tac-toe, lawn bowling, hopscotch, jump rope, and more.
Category: Accessible, Festivals, Games, Best for Kids, Waterfront
Summer Sports Experience at Grandview, Staten Island
at Grandview Playground (in The Big Park), Staten Island
10:00 a.m.–2:00 p.m.
Join NYC Parks to play Flag Football at Grandview Park on Staten Island. All levels appropriate, ages 7-17.
Category: Best for Kids, Sports, Summer Sports Experience
Summer Sports Experience at Williamsbridge Oval
at Williamsbridge Oval, Bronx
10:00 a.m.–6:00 p.m.
Learn to play sports at Williams Bridge Oval. Youth ages 6-14 can come and learn to play sports such as Flag Football, Basketball, Soccer, Volleyball, Ultimate Frisbee and others…
Category: Fitness, Games, Sports, Summer Sports Experience
Summer Sports Experience at Playground for all Children, Queens
at Playground for All Children (in Flushing Meadows Corona Park), Queens
10:00 a.m.–6:00 p.m.
Join NYC Parks at the Playground for all Children Mondays- Fridays this summer to learn sports such as Wiffleball, Kickball, Ultimate Frisbee and Flag Football. All Levels appropriate.
Category: Best for Kids, Sports, Summer Sports Experience
Summer Sports Experience at J Hood Wright Recreation Center
at J. Hood Wright Recreation Center (in J. Hood Wright Park), Manhattan
10:00 a.m.–6:00 p.m.
Summer Sports Experience every M-F at J Hood Wright Recreation Center from 10:00am-6:00pm welcomes children ages 6-14 to learn different sports such as soccer, softball, flag…
Category: Best for Kids, Sports, Summer Sports Experience
Landmark at Socrates Sculpture Park
at Socrates Sculpture Park, Queens
10:00 a.m.–8:00 p.m.
Marking Socrates Sculpture Park's 30th anniversary, the park presents Landmark, a series of artist commissions and projects that transforms the land both physically and symbolically.
Category: Accessible, Art, Waterfront
A.M. Stretch
at Hamilton Fish Recreation Center (in Hamilton Fish Park), Manhattan
10:30 a.m.–11:00 a.m.
This class will help build range of motion from head to toe, correct posture, and help students understand the difference between pain and a stretch.
Category: Fitness, Seniors
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BANFF, Alta. — They're going to keep their group at 26 players for a day or two longer, Winnipeg Jets coach Claude Noel said Saturday afternoon.
The NHL team, having completed its eight-game pre-season schedule at 1-4-3, has decided to make this mountain resort town its home until late Monday, when it will move north to Edmonton in time for Tuesday's season opener.
The league requires each team to set a roster of a maximum of 23 players and be compliant under the $64.3-million salary cap by Monday afternoon.
"It (the reduction) won't be today or probably tomorrow either," Noel said. "We'll keep the group. I've got to meet with Chevy (GM Kevin Cheveldayoff) and talk about some different things and we have some different things we have to deal with."
The Jets have a variety of activities planned while they are here, including practices on Sunday and Monday. Today, the players were seen outdoors for some team-building time and this afternoon, they were off to try to some golf at the internationally acclaimed Stanley Thompson-designed Banff Springs Hotel Golf Course, despite it being a grey, chilly day of about nine degrees.
Noel also said today that defenceman Dustin Byfuglien, who crashed into the boards legs-first late in Friday's 5-0 loss to Boston in Saskatoon, was fine.
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Rich, beautiful, and powerful, Isa and Ethan Bailey were living in the spotlight as San Francisco's perfect couple--until they are found dead in their luxurious home. As the hunt for two criminals tests the skills of the entire Women's Murder Club, sparks begin to fly between Detective Lindsay Boxer and her partner, Rich Conklin, making it difficult to stay focused on the case. The electrifying new chapter in the Women's Murder Club series, The Eighth Confession serves up the mile-a-minute twists that only James Patterson can deliver.
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"Another Great Read by Patterson!"
Lots of twist and turns! Not at all what I thought it would be like. Wonderful Read!
"Great Book Not So Great Narrator"
I really enjoyed the multiple plots. It made it worth listing to the book all the way to the end. The narrator was a bit annoying as she sounded like a child reading a story at times.
Evelyn J Sickler
"Not Up To Expectations"
Having read all the Women's Murder Club book series, this one was a huge disappointment. The story lines were not believable at all. The personal relationship's were way out of the realm of reality, and the "murder weapon" made it impossible for me to even listen as I have a strong aversion to that item. Don't want to ruin the plot for others so I am being vague, but it is not worth the time. Additionally the narrator sounded the same regardless of which character she was representing. Half the time I did not know who was saying what to who. If this is the best they have left, its time to end the series. Sorry, just bad writing
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"Reader Disappointing"
I had a lot of trouble getting used to the reader - who reads mechanically, putting the same amount of emphasis on each word - mechanical.
A good reader enhances my enjoyment of a book - in this case I had to make an effort to persevere in order to get through a pleasant story.
"Women's Murder Club Rules!"
Another great Women's Murder Club Book. Always enjoyable, and Carolyn McCormack is the perfect narrator for this series. Fast paced and lots of twists and turns. I'm sad the book ended and I have to wait another year for another one.
"Not all Bad...but"
I have been a fan of the "Women's Murder Club" series and I also enjoyed the television show (RIP). This was my first audiobook for the series and it was lackluster at best. The voice of the characters was barely discernable from one to another and felt unmotivated. I understand this is fluff writing, but it is enjoyable, but the listening was not what I expected. Needs better phrasing and the pronuciation is too upper-crust for a cop. Better luck next time, but I will by the paper instead.
Reading allows me to travel through time; to visit the world's unique and stunning places. To become somebody I am not... It is glorious.
"I want to - but cannot - like the narrator"
It seems that the listeners are divided about whether they think Carolyn McCormick is a good narrator. I want to like her. I always liked her on Law & Order. But her narration is flat and too formal to add the grittiness I desire. Additionally, the four women aren't dissimilar enough. I cannot always identify who is speaking and even find that at times I need to back up and figure it out.
I like the Women's Murder Club series. I read numbers 1 -6, and listened to #7 before listening to this one. It is my least favorite of the eight. Mr Patterson's writing has many elements that seem too simple; the tension didn't build to the end of this book. The twists and turns didn't take me for the suspenseful ride that I look for when reading a mystery.
I did enjoy getting to know Cindy a bit more in this novel.
"Horribly written"
I loved the first three books in this series, was okay with the next few, have become less enchanted over time. I loved Lindsay Boxer character but this book reduces her to a blond bimbo and the book is just not the quality that the series and characters deserve. Patterson needs to go back and write his own books or at least prevent the reader from having a gag reflex over the stereotypical female reactions and vocabulary that real women rarely think, let alone use "my hunk of man" etc. I will not be a fan of this series any longer and am sad about that as I was enjoying the characters in the earlier books. Oh, and is there any book out there that references celebrities more than this one??? The obnoxious comparisons and irrelevant comparisons to Brad Pitt, Sean Penn, Willy Nelson (really???) Sheryl Crow etc. An English teacher would absolutely make a student take this back and edit that silliness out.
"Good story but predictable."
I liked the story and it was a bit
Sherlockian (snakes used as murder weapons. The best part of the story was about bagman Jesus. It also demonstrated how the crimes against the homeless can be overlooked unless you have a good cop.
"The eighth confession book review"
I love the women's murder club series. James Patterson does not disappoint. I would recommend this book to anyone who likes suspense novels, and also anyone who likes reading about human relationships and true friendships. Even though Lindsay Claire Cindy and UPR busy ladies with full-blown careers, their friendship never fails. I have to say that Lindsay boxer is a true role model for me. She's a very good detective, but she's also a true partner and friend.
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Now how's that for a boating dream come true?
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In order to really understand what the program's all about, you've got to look at the numbers. A sample breakdown of the cost of buying a M474 Cat in Tortola or the Abacos goes something like this: The price of the yacht is typically $699,000, but with The Moorings' $100,000 rebate, it's only $599,999. The owner makes a down payment, usually around 20 percent ($119,800), then secures financing for the remaining $479,200. (Owners who opt for financing through The Moorings' get a fixed rate of 6.25 percent for 15 years.) Every month the owner receives $4,700, regardless of whether or not the boat was chartered. Subtract the monthly mortgage payment of $4,109 and said owner has a monthly cash flow of $591. If the program lasts for 60 months and all revenues are applied to the loan, the owner comes out with a balance of only $307,921 and a vessel with a net resale value that the Moorings puts at $345,000 (based on normal market conditions and a ten-percent brokerage commission).
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>Off the Beaten Path>RA Movie Thread
For the month of July, the Plaza Theatre, the oldest movie theatre in the city of Atlanta, is showing all 23 of the James Bond movies in order. It's not practical for me to make the trip into midtown Atlanta 23 nights in a row, even for an über-Bond fan like me, but there were a couple of showings that I've been compelled to hit on general principle.
Since I have never seen one of the Sean Connery Bond films on the big screen, and since the first two are my favorites, my choice was made...
Jason's Dr. No report, Monday, July 1 (copied from my post on Facebook)
Last night, I fulfilled another wish on my cinematic bucket list by seeing Dr. No, my favorite James Bond movie and one of my all-time top five movies across the board, on the big screen at the Plaza Theatre in midtown Atlanta. The awesomeness of this theatrical showing exceeded my expectations, and watching this 1962 film in Atlanta's oldest theatre added to the effect. Most fans of the Sean Connery Bond films name the third entry, Goldfinger, as their favorite. I'm an enthusiastic fan of Goldfinger as well, but I prefer the comparably rough-around-the-edges feel of the first two movies, Dr. No and From Russia with Love. It was a treat to see Dr. No on the big screen at long last, because of its crude lived-in vibe with the Caribbean island settings and the iconic scenes that introduced the movie incarnation of Ian Fleming's James Bond character to the world.I love the scene when Professor Dent storms into the bedroom and empties six bullets into the bed, thinking that Bond is under the covers. Bond, who is seated against the wall by the door, confronts and questions Dent. When Dent suddenly grabs his dropped gun and attempts to shoot Bond, he realizes that his gun is empty. Bond tells him, "That's a Smith & Wesson, and you've had your six.", before shooting him. Sean Connery's James Bond was definitely one cold and ruthless customer.The scene where Honey Ryder (Ursula Andress) emerges from the sea in her bikini speaks for itself, of course, and you could have heard a pin drop in the theater last night during that moment.James Bond: "Don't worry. I'm not supposed to be here either."Honey Ryder: "Are you looking for shells too?"James Bond: "No, I'm just looking."Jason's From Russia with Love report, Tuesday, July 2 (copied from my post on Facebook)
After yesterday's appointment with the running doctor and a return to the massage and icing routines, I decided to treat myself to another trip to the Plaza Theatre in midtown Atlanta to join some friends at a big screen presentation of the the second James Bond movie, From Russia with Love, since this is another favorite of mine alongside Dr. No, which I saw at Plaza Theatre on Monday night. For the showing of this 1963 movie, Plaza Theatre used their largest screen, complete with a brilliant new sound system, to accommodate more viewers after the sellout showing of Dr. No, and the results were exemplary. Seeing these old Technicolor movies at a theater is really something else.From Russia with Love was the first film of the Bond series to feature John Barry as the soundtrack composer, and his iconic Bond score came across with glorious volume on the Plaza Theatre setup. From Russia with Love was also the first film of the Bond series to introduce several conventions that became essential in subsequent films, such as a pre-title sequence, a secret gadget presented to Bond by Q (Desmond Llewelyn), the Blofeld villain character, a theme song with lyrics, and, finally, the "James Bond will return..." teaser in the final credits. The pre-title sequence of From Russia with Love is quite memorable, as we see James Bond (Sean Connery) silently sneaking alongside mansion hedges in his tuxedo, only to be killed by an assassin who strangles him with razor-wire. This scenario is then revealed to be an elaborate training exercise for the assassin, and we see the Bond mask removed from the dead man, who was simply a nameless agent playing the role of James Bond for the exercise. Every time I see this particular sequence, I cannot help wondering how the unfortunate dead agent was recruited to wear a James Bond mask and be killed as a part of a routine training exercise. I'd like to imagine that it played out like this..."It's your turn now. Here's your James Bond mask. Hope you have better luck than the others did.""No way! Count me out! I'm not going out there dressed as Bond just to get killed.""Are you sure? We wish that you would reconsider.""NO! I'm not going to do it.""We have cookies.""Hmmm. Oh... Alright... I'll do it."It's always difficult to choose the most beautiful Bond girl from the series, but my vote goes to the Russian clerk, Tatiana Romanova, who seduces James Bond in From Russia with Love. Tatiana Romanova was played by Daniela Bianchi, who was actually an Italian actress, a former Miss Rome, and 1960 runner-up for Miss Universe. Seeing this actress on a massive theater screen was yet another incentive to venture out to Plaza Theatre.I will miss out on the Plaza Theatre showing of Goldfinger tonight, since I am waking up early to run Peachtree Road Race the following morning, and, in fact, I will likely miss the rest of the James Bond showings at Plaza theatre this month, since making the trip from Smyrna to the midtown Atlanta area on a nightly basis is not practical. There is a possibility that I might catch my favorite Roger Moore Bond film, For Your Eyes Only, on July 12, since that's a Friday night, and I might see Goldfinger late in July if Plaza Theatre includes it as one of the matinee encore presentations. For now, though, I am quite content simply to have seen these two favorite Sean Connery films (Dr. No and From Russia with Love) on the big screen at long last.
Last night, I watched Star Trek 3: Search For Spock on Netflix. I had watched Wrath Of Khan (#2) a few months back (still good). THis one though....I found myself laughing and tearing it apart for its lack of logic, instead of enjoying it. Doesn't hold up.
Last night, I watched Star Trek 3: Search For Spock on Netflix. I had watched Wrath Of Khan (#2) a few months back (still good). THis one though....I found myself laughing and tearing it apart for its lack of logic, instead of enjoying it. Doesn't hold up.
The last week or two I committed myself to watching the first 6 Star Trek movies. I have only #6 (Undiscovered Country) left to watch and I will probably watch it today. They are a lot different than the new JJ Abrams movies but they still are cool to watch and get a blast from the past, uhhh I mean future.
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They are a lot different than the new JJ Abrams movies but they still are cool to watch
Check out Restrepo (on Netflix). Very good.
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Watching 21 Jump Street, the movie. Pretty formulaic, but also pretty funny. Fun to see Ice Cube cut loose with the (self-proclaimed in the script) "angry black captain" stereotype, which he's a natural for. Kind of a neat tie-in to the original series at the end.
Watched Rat Race earlier. I'm such a fan of that movie. Pretty blatant rip of It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World (did I get enough "Mads" in there?), I think it was even stated as such in one of the DVD extras, but it's such great physical comedy. You got John Cleese with a ridiculous dental prosthetic, Rowan Atkinson in a hilarious speaking role, Dave Thomas being Dave Thomas, Jon Lovitz and Cuba Gooding Jr. doing slapstick, which they're actually pretty good at, and Seth Green, who...I dunno, I've just always liked Seth Green in movies. Writing is pretty tight, too...of course, it's pretty easy to keep the pacing lively when you've got six storylines going at once, but they do a good job of separating them and then slowly weaving them back together. One caveat, though, I highly recommend stopping the movie after Dave Thomas drives off with the hooker. The ending they came up with is highly, highly contrived.
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Generation Kill. Good series.
2016 Goals: Lose the 10lbs I gained for not having goals
I saw The Heat with the wife last weekend. Female buddy cop movie starring Melissa McCarthy and Sandra Bullock. It was your pretty typical predictable buddy cop movie, but it made me laugh a lot. Melissa McCarthy cracks me up and just has a filthy mouth in this movie. It's not just cursing, but it's the creative use of it that had me laughing. Language laughs aside, McCarthy and Bullock seem to have a pretty good on screen chemistry. Lots of laughs in this one, although it's probably more of a renter rather than paying $11 at the movies.
I was coming to post my review on the movie and this is pretty much what I was going to say. Melissa McCarthy is the queen of comedic timing. She was amazing. Bullock played a great straight man for her to play off of it. I didn't expect to like it as much as I did and was more than pleasantly surprised.
Also saw Man of Steel awhile back. Again, hate to just copy off of other reviews, and unfortunately I don't know how to do that double quote-y thing...but I echo FSocks opinion. I think the "flashbacks" were the strongest parts of the film and could have used more...the action was pretty weak and I had my own issues with the mass destruction (not really Superman's MO, but, whatevs). He was pretty hot, so that helped (I struggled with this just because to me, Christopher Reeve IS Superman).
I would recommend both films.
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We saw Despicable Me 2 yesterday...and loved it every bit as much as the first one. There was a great World War Z homage towards the end of the film that cracked me up, especially since both films are currently on the big screen.
And I want my own minion...or maybe a half-dozen of them. Seriously.
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We saw Despicable Me 2 yesterday...and loved it every bit as much as the first one. There was a great World War Z homage towards the end of the film that cracked me up, especially since both films are currently on the big screen.
And I want my own minion...or maybe a half-dozen of them. Seriously.
I agree with everything in this post. Good, fun movie.
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We saw Despicable Me 2 yesterday...and loved it every bit as much as the first one.
+1. Lots of good laughs for everyone in this movie.
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The wife and I checked out The Lone Ranger yesterday.
Okay, first a note about the venue. It bills itself as the oldest continuously-running theater in Texas, which I have no way of verifying, but it's got a historic register plaque, so okay. It's a small town, so the atmosphere inside is really interesting...since it's the only "respectable" thing for the kids to do in town, there is always a solid block of seats that they occupy...which is right next to all the older folks in town that still enjoy going out to the talkies and are there no matter what's playing...mixed in with the (slightly) younger folks like my wife and I. So, even though there are a ton of junior high and high school kids there on dates and whatnot in this tiny theater, they're always very well-behaved, since even if their parents aren't there (which they often are), there's probably someone there who knows their parents, and will either narc on them or walk over and jerk them up by the ear themselves.
When we first moved here, the picture and especially the sound were terrible, but last night I was really struck by how far they've come. Digital projection and sound, still not quite as breathtaking as the latest/greatest multiplexes have, but still a really sharp, vibrant picture and actual surround sound with some thump to it, as opposed to what appeared to be an overhead projector and a mono speaker behind the screen when we got here. And since it's such a small room, the system doesn't have to be that powerful. And as a bonus, there are never any advertisements before the film starts, and rarely more than one or two previews. Promptly at 7:30, the lights go down, everyone cheers, there's a preview, and boom - movie begins. All for $6 for an adult ticket on a Saturday night. Ten if you want popcorn and a drink.
Okay, on to the movie: tons of fun. It was more or less Pirates of the Caribbean in an Old West setting, but I tell you...not a bad thing (and it was the first Pirates movie, so no flow chart needed). Johnny Depp did a great job...trying to think if his Tonto was too similar to any of his other wild characterizations, but I'm not coming up with much. Maybe it's the Bruckheimer/Verbinski connection, but I guess the costuming smacked pretty closely of Captain Jack Sparrow...but without the batpoop-crazy verbosity. And Tonto has a lot more backstory to play off of, which helped give the character some heft. There's even an emotional reason for the bird on his head - at one point, it gets damaged, and I actually caught myself gasping with concern. MTA: Johnny Depp based the look of the character on a painting, the name and artist of which escape me for the moment.
I felt like Armie Hammer could have done a little more...thinking about it afterward, I never quite bought into his desire for vengeance, as insidious as the antagonist certainly was. His motivation seemed to sort of teeter between desire for "justice" and revenge, and somewhere in there were his feelings for the love interest (which he never seemed that interested in - or did he?)...maybe this was supposed to come across as complexity, but none of it ever seemed to gel for me.
Story was good, though it dragged on a bit in the second act. Picked up pretty quick in the third, though. If the completely impossible physics and stunts of the Pirates movies bothered you, fair warning: there's even more of it here, only some of which is shown in the trailers. But, it sure was fun to watch, and toward the end, during a "triumphant entry"-type moment for the Lone Ranger, the William Tell Overture cranks up, and it's tough not to get swept away, even though 90% of what happens for the next 20 mins. is completely impossible.
That last bit ties into something about the movie that may have been unique to the setting I watched it in, which is why I brought it up at the beginning of this review: though I certainly didn't take a poll, I bet a lot of my fellow audience members had watched the old Lone Ranger serials in that very theater as kids, and let me tell you, they were thrilled with the remake. Lots of whooping and cheering and gasps, like I suspect they did when they were kids. And the theater staff (of I think about three) helped set the stage by dressing up as the characters.
Other random critiques:
Anyway, I certainly didn't regret paying either the time or the money to check it out on the big screen, and it might even be worth owning at some point, though I might wait until the inevitable sequels are out and get the boxed set.
I liked DM2 a lot. Minions stole the show! (The singing had me on the ground! )
I have to admit though, the Latino stereotypes made me wince a bit...
Oh roo roooo!
mab411, don't know that I have an interest in actually seeing "The Lone Ranger", but if I did, I can't imagine I'd enjoy it nearly as much as I enjoyed your post about the movie and where you saw it! Thanks, that was cool.
Upstream Color - Weird and cerebral. The narrative only really holds once you have the whole story before you. The rest of the time you spend going, "huh?" But then it all gels at the end making it pretty satisfying. This is a challenging movie to watch, rather than a popcorner. The director is asking you to keep-up, but suspend your need to make conclusions. I enjoyed this film more 6hrs after watching it than when the credits rolled by. (4/5)
Charade (1963)
I watched Charade for the first time last night, and fell head over heels in love with the movie. It's probably the best Hitchcock film that Alfred Hitchcock never directed, and Audrey Hepburn's plight as an innocent woman suddenly caught up in the middle of murderous conspiracies shares similarities with the plight of her co-star, Cary Grant, in Hitchcock's North by Northwest.
Charade is comedic even by today's standards, and the quips and one-liners kept a smile on my face the whole time. The movie also has an awesome dark twist, though, and a few of the corpse encounters along the way were probably pretty graphic at the time of the movie's release. It's an oddball of a macabre comedy, but it really works.
Highly recommended!


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HIMLEY Cricket Club will be aiming to win some silverware during the 2014 campaign, says captain Greg Wright.
Wright thinks the team are more than capable of tasting trophy success in one of a number of the cup competitions they will be involved in.
He said: "It would be good if we could pick up some silverware this season. There are plenty of cup competition that we will be involved in so we will be aiming to get a run going.
"The club has had much success because of cup competitions in the past and we want to bring some of that success back."
He also wants the side to maintain a similar level of performance that gave them last year's fourth-place finish in what he thinks is a transition period for the club.
The coming season will again see Himley's development of young cricketers come to the fore.
The club will look for it's youngsters to step up to first team action due to the loss of Ben Smith, who has left due to his coaching commitments with Leicestershire, and wicketkeeper Jagbir Dhillon, who will now play for the second team.
Wright played down Himley's chances of title success and said he would be pleased if they could finish near to 2013's final standing.
"This is a transition period in terms of getting more youngsters through to the first team," he said. "It is something we have focused on heavily during the last two years and will continue to do the same this season as well.
"Last year we finished fourth so it would be good if we could be up near the top of the table once again and maintain that same level, especially with more young lads coming in."
Himley will start their Birmingham and District Premier League campaign at home to Dorridge this Saturday.