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AMD Launches Mobile Kaveri APUsby Jarred Walton on 6/4/2014 12:01 AM EST
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gdansk - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkSurprisingly decent performance. Reply
shing3232 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkyep. Reply
basroil - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkDecent? The TDP is twice that of the Intel offerings and it's still slower as a CPU. Mobile gaming might be decent, but we still don't know how the system scales down (could lose performance faster than TDP) Reply
marvee - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkI vaguely remember reading how Intel TDP /= AMD TDP. The crux of the article claimed that Intel TDP represented average consumption, while AMD TDP represented the max theoretical consumption. Anyone familiar with the topic? Reply
Vayra - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkWell, looking at how GT3(e) is set up in Haswell, it seems likely that Intel's TDP measurements are going to be close to the maximum usage as well in any graphical application. The graphics parts will push even cpu usage down if TDP limits are reached there, so... Reply
Gondalf - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkYou are wrong marvee. This is an hold topic of many forums and the problem was solved long time ago. AMD TDP is equal to Intel TDP because "TDP" means a precise thing for OEMs. Go to a simple Wiki page and get a clue. Reply
formulav8 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkTDP is Thermal Design Power. In other words its not how much wattage it uses, its a guideline that AMD and Intel publish for the system builders. Reply
gngl - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - link"its not how much wattage it uses"
Unless the laws of thermodynamic have changed somehow, I'd expect TDP to put an upper bound on a CPU's power consumption. So, yes, it is about how much wattage it uses in the worst conceivable steady state. (Or isn't?) Reply
kingpin888 - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkThe thermal design power (TDP), sometimes called thermal design point, refers to the maximum amount of heat generated by the CPU, which the cooling system in a computer is required to dissipate in typical operation
So , no its not. Reply
silverblue - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkIf you can't say anything nice... Reply
xenol - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkTDP doesn't equal power consumption. It equals how much heat a cooling unit must dissipate for safe thermal levels of operation. While there is some correlation, as more TDP generally means higher power consumption, it's not a direct one. Reply
Galatian - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkI think it actually pretty much does equal top power draw, since energy in pretty much equals heat out. But do correct me if I don't understand the physics correctly. To me it simply seems like no work being done. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkTDP means the maximum power that needs to be dissipated, but most CPUs/APUs are not going to be pushing max TDP all the time. My experience is that in CPU loads, Intel tends to be close to max TDP while AMD APUs often come in a bit lower, as the GPU has a lot of latent performance/power not being used. However, with AMD apparently focusing more on hitting higher Turbo Core clocks, that may no longer be the case -- at least on the 19W parts. Overall, for most users there won't be a sizable difference between a 15W Intel ULV and a 19W AMD ULV APU, particularly when we're discussing battery life. Neither part is likely to be anywhere near max TDP when unplugged (unless you're specifically trying to drain the battery as fast as possible -- or just running a 3D game I suppose). Reply
Galatian - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkYes, which is why I said it equal top power draw ;-) Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkYeah, my response was to this thread in general, not you specifically. :-) Reply
nevertell - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkIt's amazing that we live in a world where information is accessible on a whim to most people living in the western world, yet even on a website that caters to more educated people (or so I would think), people have problems understanding even the simplest concepts that enable them to expose themselves to this medium. Energy is never lost, it's just used up in different ways. Essentially if we had access to a superconductive material to replace lines and a really efficient transistor, we would have a SoC that's TDP is zero watts. Say, a chip does not move a thing, there is no mechanical energy involved, all of the energy is wasted as heat. Why ? Electricity at it's core is flow of charged particles through a medium. If this medium is copper and the particles are electrons, the only thing standing in the way of the electrons flowing are the copper atoms. The electrons will occasionally bump into the atoms, exchanging kinetic energy, making the atom in question move. As the atoms move faster (i.e. their kinetic energy increases), collisions become more likely to occur, and so they do. In other words, the conductors resistance increases. What scale do we use to measure the movement of atoms ? Temperature! Heat is literally the average amount of kinetic energy of every atom of piece of thing has. Thereby all of the energy that is used to power electronics just goes to waste. Kind of. Reply
ol1bit - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkUnless you live in a cold climate, then you get to use part of the energy as Heat! :-) Reply
Galatian - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkI'm not sure who you are responding too. Nobody said energy is lost. The discussion was first about AMD TDP not being the same as Intel TDP and ten switched over to a discussion of TDP not actually meaning power draw, which by itself is true, but there obviously is a correlation which a several posters (yourself included with a more physical explanation) talked about . Reply
johnny_boy - Saturday, June 07, 2014 - linkCompare performance per watt in gaming and Intel stops looking impressive. If you're buying a notebook with the FX chip then that should be what you care about. Reply
bji - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkThe comparison is for CPUs in the same price range, not CPUs in the same TDP range, obviously.
So the performance is decent for the price, as gdansk correctly pointed out. It is not decent for the TDP, at least not compared to Intel's chips, which is what you are focusing on, and is not the metric that most people use when comparing processors. Reply
Gigaplex - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - link"The comparison is for CPUs in the same price range, not CPUs in the same TDP range, obviously."
For a mobile platform? I couldn't disagree more. Power consumption directly affects battery life, and you either need to spend more on the battery (negating cost savings) or just live with less runtime. Reply
The_Countess - Sunday, June 15, 2014 - linkyou can buy a LOT of extra battery capacity for the premium intel charges for its ULV CPU's. (a whole laptop battery replacement can be had for as little as 50 euro's.)
furthermore most of the time, and most of the power, will be spent on idle, which is completely separate from the TDP. and again TDP is not power draw. the 2 don't even have to be related. a TDP is quit often set for a whole RANGE of CPU's so OEM's can make 1 laptop designed to one TDP and put a whole host of CPU's in it.
so without some actual power draw tests doing various tasks this speculation is useless. Reply
Galatian - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkIt's even a bigger joke when they test Intel chips with the worst possible iGPU (HD4400). If you have to use 15W chips vs. a 35W chip in comparison at least take the best of the bunch aka one with a HD5000. Apple offers the MacBook Air for an incredible cheap price, while having a high builds quality. Though for AMD to get into designs like that. When you have a processor that cuts corners, than your entire product has to cut corners IMHO. I mean I can pay 600€ for a cut corner AMD notebook or I can spend 300€ and be a happy camper.
Also dedicating so much text about why SSD are important doesn't really bode well for the product reviewed here... Reply
hamoboy - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkWell, Tom's Hardware takes a 35W Intel chip to compare their Kaveri test system to, and the Kaveri still absolutely smokes the Intel competitor in gaming. What Jarred is getting at in his reviews I think, is that it's no use for AMD to put out 19/17W chips if OEMs aren't going to bother making anything worth a damn with them inside.
The comment about OEM's hamstringing AMD laptops is quite true, so many AMD laptops come out with single channel RAM and slow mechanical HDDs, but people attribute the low performance to the APU being slow, when for most purposes, any new mainstream chips coming from Intel or AMD are more than enough. Reply
Galatian - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkIt doesn't "absolutely smoke" the Intel competition:
1.) DOTA2 is actually faster on the Intel chip
2.) Frametime variance is better on the Intel chip through out (although admittedly probably moot point, since abysmal FPS anyway)
3.) It's a HD4600, so still not the better Intel iGPUs Reply
Fergy - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkIf you take an Intel cpu with HD5000 (that is the one with the expensive L4 cache right?) doesn't that make it really really expensive so totally outside the market where AMD is putting these chips?
System1: kaveri $500
System2: intel HD5000 $700
Consumers compare on price not on performance. Reply
Galatian - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkNo. The HD5000 is actually what's Inside the MacBook Air for example, so a 15W ULV part. For 35W you have the Iris 5100 (which is still without the "expensive" eDRAM). Only some of the 45W chips have the Iris Pro 5200.
I only have Apple as a reference but their notebooks are of high quality, don't cut corners and are actually affordable. The MacBook Air starting at 899€ and the 13" rMBP at 1299€. I would argue that an AMD equipped notebook which doesn't cut corners is not going to be much cheaper. In the end the price difference will be a question of weather you want the more powerful Intel chip or not.
Also I think AMDs claim of OpenCL performance I blown out of proportion. Their advertisement slides when Kaveri lunch actually had faked stats for Intels iGPU OpenCL performance. I did my own tests and received muh higher numbers. You can also check the PCMark and 3DMark websites to see that Intel was and is much better then what AMD wants you to believe. That is not to say that they are not better, I just think it needs to be put into better perspective if you really want to make the trade off (Better GPU for OpenCL but worse CPU) Reply
nico_mach - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkYour price comparison is off, though. Apple gets the highest end GPU chips from Intel, and then charges LESS than competitors. That Sony i5 was MORE expensive than the MBA or even the Mac Pro. Apple doesn't make cheap hardware, but they haven't had overpriced hardware in years (or no more than competitors).
But I agree in principle, it just isn't going to happen for AMD. The HP sleekbook was easily the best looking 'ultrabook' and it was only briefly available (not that it was good, but lots of poor laptops do better). AMD is used by the OEMs only to keep Intel honest - and that's why they launched on desktop first. Intel doesn't really care about desktop, so AMD wisely chose that first, where they can get some enthusiasts as well as a few modest OEM wins.
I have an AMD chip and it was a good budget choice for a basic PC. But the OEMs are closer to adopting ARM en masse (HP has joined Samsung with ARM chromebooks now) than AMD. I'd like to think HSA might turn it around, but I think at this point Intel's guns are bigger than AMD's and they have more of them. Perhaps Lenovo will keep going vertical and scoop them up to move to China. They already have red logos, after all. Reply
hamoboy - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - link1) That Dota2 result is so wide it seems like a result of driver non-optimization, than the Intel GPU actually being better.
2) Like you said, it's a moot point.
3) The best Intel GPUs are found in chips that are way way out of AMD's price range. A true apples to apples comparison is between affordable midrange chips to affordable midrange chips, and that's what Tom's Hardware did. Reply
Galatian - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkI agree on your first two points but beg to differ on the later. Not everybody is shopping with a set amount of money, most usually look what will 100€ more or less get me or what can I get in a given thermal envelope. I would argue for example that the HD5000 will turn out faster in the 19/15 W TDP envelope next to AMDs chips.
Also I think most people are forgetting that AMD won't be competing with Haswell but with Broadwell which is close to be released.
Now this is not to say it's a bad chip, I just don't get the hype that's being made. I think the trade off worse CPU for better GPU is not worth it for most customers. HUMA and HSA still has to show how powerful it could be (and I have my doubts if it will ever get widespread attention) and people easily forget that Intel also supports OpenCL, so every software optimized for it will also run faster on Intel hardware.
In the end AMD chips - in my eyes - still remain the budget choice (if at all) and this is why you probably won't see many non cut corners notebooks. Reply
firstname.lastname@example.com - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkicrap and affordable? what a joke! lol
don't forget outdated low res screen, no pen input, no touch screen, and still more expensive.
Surface Pro is much better and much more affordable. Reply
Galatian - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkExactly how is the 13" and 15" rMBP screen outdated and low res?
Oh and: not everybody shopping for a notebook needs a touch display nor pen input. I even give you a reason why the 12" Surface 3 will not replace either notebooks or tablets: 750g. Reply
nerd1 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - link1st gen iPad 3G weighed 730gr and everyone said it's as light as a feather.
Oh, and macbook still looks and weighs exactly same since then. Reply
Galatian - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkYour point? They are light now. I owned the 1st gen iPad and it was way to heavy to comfortably hold in my hands to read. I since switched to the iPad mini for its lightness and small form factor, nothing the Surface can provide me with. So I still tuck along my notebook to write stuff and use the iPad for media consumption. The surface simply doesn't work for me, but your mileage might vary. Just don't make it sound it's the holy grail that truly combines both tablets and notebooks, because it isn't. At least not for all. Reply
Morawka - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkwell for one it's not a IPS Screen, and 2, it's a low res panel Reply
Galatian - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkThe iPad mini with retina? You need to check your facts. Reply
ShieTar - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkThe 35W AMD APU is giving you about 75% of the mobile gaming performance that you get with a 15W Intel CPU + 50W nVidia GPU; but over 200% of the 15W Intel APU performance. That's a very decent result in my opinion. Sure it's slower as a pure CPU, but I don't think it will hit its 35W TDP limit when the GPU part is dormant, either.
Another interesting comparison might have been to see how FX-7600P fairs against something like an i7-4558U, i.e. an Intel APU with a ~30W TDP and an Iris GPU. Reply
Roland00Address - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkWhile I agree with you perfectly on what you said, I want to bring up another point. The gt750m is a kepler part with 384 stream processors (2 SMX). We now have maxwell on the market and maxwell is very good. With maxwell you get 640 stream processors (5 SMM, 1 SMM is roughly 90% of an SMX) in roughly the same tdp that as the gt750m. Thus nvidia+intel is able to get a large increase in number of calculation units in roughly the same form factor.
So in sum AMD is able compete with intel and intel+nvidia only on price and/or time to market. Intel and Intel+Nvidia can meet AMD on graphic efficiency, form factors, and Intel is faster in cpu tasks. Sadly I wish AMD was doing better than they are, not because AMD is bad but I want more competition and more competition is always good for the end user. Problem is AMD may bring their B+ game often but when you have Intel and Nvidia as competitors you need to bring your A+ game to win for your competitors are just as talented as you are and they have far more design resources due to greater revenue and cash on hand which means more money spent on engineers. Reply
Krysto - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkIntel cheats with Turbo-Boost, though, being able to win 5-minute benchmarks because of Turbo-Boost, while also claiming long battery life because Turbo-Boost barely gets any use, so the chip is actually running at lower performance than advertised in the long term. Reply
Galatian - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkAnd AMD doesn't turbo? o.O Reply
Roland00Address - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkIt turbos but not as well as Intel Reply
Galatian - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkAnd because Intel is able to implement a better turbo they are somehow cheating? I mean it still is a advantage for the consumer in the end. Race to idle and all. Reply
zaza991988 - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkActually sometimes Turbo helps with the overall energy efficiency. Turbo enable to push the CPU to the limit and finish the high demanding task quickly so it can return into a lower power state afterwards. So you are temporarily increasing the instantaneous power to get a better an overall energy efficiency. Reply
sspiff - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkThe TDP of AMD's offering includes the much more powerful GPU (compared to Intel's HD4400 in the i7). For the benchmark results, the Intel was paired with a discrete nVidia card (750M), which also guzzles power NOT included in the 15W TDP of the i7.
I'm not familiar with what other parts are on-/off-die for these CPU's, but it's not fair to compare the power envelopes on a spec sheet like you're doing. The fair test would be to measure full-system power consumption of two comparable devices, which is sadly not possible at this time, as no Kaveri laptops have shipped yet. Reply
Torashin - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkRemember power consumption increases exponentially with frequency, and this phenomena is even more accentuated with Kaveri because of the process used. So what I'm saying is that the 19W APU's likely wouldn't be that much slower than the 35W one. Reply
Drumsticks - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkMaybe its also true of frequency, but I believe you're looking for voltage. Power consumption for two different frequencies at the same voltage is much different than two voltages at the same frequency.
I could be wrong, though. Reply
JumpingJack - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkBuzzzzz, wrong. Power = C*f*(V^2), power is linear with respect to frequency and quadratic with respect to voltage. (C is effective capacitance). Google "Power CMOS Circuits". Reply
zaza991988 - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkActually the relation between power and frequency is linear. The relation between the power and voltage is quadratic. p = c*f*v^2. and a higher TDP allows the CPU to stay at a higher performance state for a larger amount of time. you can compare the performance between a 15 watt TDP and 28 watt TDP in the following link. (rMBP 13 has 28 TDP ship and air has 15 or 17)
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Apple-MacBook-... Reply
eanazag - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkClose compared to the i7 ULV and GT 750. Often better than the i5. It is good against what will likely cost at least $100 to $200 more. Battery life that is 80% and weight that is 110% of those Intel machines might be a reasonable trade off saving $200. Reply
Dan Ritchie - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkOn other sites (with slides) they're comparing the 19 watt part against the 15 watt part, not the 35 watt part. Reply
MLSCrow - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkWho cares that it's slower as a CPU? Beside the point that it's not even noticeably slower, have you forgotten that it's not a CPU at all, but rather an APU, and as an APU its performance is something to be praised not degraded. Intel fans have honestly become the worst fanboys out there now. Can't give credit where it's due and can only make negative comments, even in the light of positive results. Facepalm. Reply
kingpin888 - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkDude, mobile AMD Kaveri has a 35W TDP and is quad core and intel i5 is dual core and has a 35W and 47W TDP. What are you talking about ?? Reply
Gondalf - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkJarred.....Anand.....you are comparing an hot 35W SKU with a constrained 15W ultrabooks SKU.
This time there is no justification, Anantech lab is plenty of notebooks with a 37W Intel cpu on board and i pretty believe of notebooks with 28W U parts with a less constrained HD 5000 or Iris 5100 GPUs. And why a i7 4500 (GT2) and not a i7 4550 (GT3) ??????
This is a pretty biased article, nearly useless for customers. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkComparing $300 CPUs against $150 APUs is potentially just as bad. And you'd be surprised how many laptops we don't actually have; most come with high-end configurations, which really muddies the waters. I do have a 37W i7-4702MQ available where I can disable the dGPU and see how performance compares, but that's a $370 CPU and again just not anywhere near the price of the AMD offerings. (Base price on the laptop is $1500+.) Reply
Morawka - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkyour looking at tray cost. overall laptop costs will be comparable, intel has much more components on die. maybe $150 off. I would have liked to see a comparable wattage intel cpu in there as well. Reply
Gondalf - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkYes agreed with you.
The perfect review could be with a i7 4550 or i5 4250 both GT3 with TDPup enabled up to 21/22 W. We have forgotten that Kaveri is 19W but we need of other 2/3W for southbridge that is on package on Haswell.
Looking at others reviews, in this conditions Intel and Amd are average on pair in GPU (depending on game title) and Intel is in huge advantage in CPU. The 19W (21/22) TDP figure seems an attempt to put sand in customer eyes.
Lets wait a review with real Notebooks, yes because the TDPup feature is largely utilized by Intel OEMs to have more performance from mobile Haswell. Reply
Thermogenic - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkCan't wait until we get real laptops tests - tests without battery life on a mobile device aren't all that useful anymore. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkYeah, I tried to check it and found that the prototype was basically not tuned at all for battery life -- probably would have been under four hours for Internet surfing, which is way out of line with what we expect. Basically, idle power draw was around 16-17W, almost double what it should be, so the firmware and hardware wasn't tuned to go into low power states as far as I could tell. When we get shipping laptops, I suspect we'll see battery life competitive with Intel solutions, maybe even better. I figure 5-6W idle power draw or less isn't too far off these days. Reply
s44 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkCompetitive with Haswell or with Ivy Bridge? Battery life really is everything for most laptop use. Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkHaswell is obviously the target, and AMD is claiming 11 hours vs. 9.2 hours for Kaveri vs. Richland (doing a low intensity eReader/Browser test), so that's at least a decent bump. But I've seen Trinity laptops with lousy battery life due to the OEM not spending the needed effort in that area, so really it's as much the laptop as it is the CPU/APU. Reply
Gondalf - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - link"maybe even better" i have some doubts, AMD has a process disasvantage that is a damnation in those uses where the cpu works at very low voltage or stay idle for a little. Web surfing is an example.
Mullins has showed that AMD main weakness is there, being behind Qualcomm (TSMC) and Intel (in house) in idle power. Reply
Shivansps - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkWait, why they are comparing it to a 15W ULV I7? for the same price you can get a Acer Aspire V3-772G-9822, its a I7 QM+760M.. Reply
takeship - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkComparing these chips to the haswell mobile i7 quads would only show that AMD has stopped competing in CPU perf. The cinebench scores tell that story - my old workhorse i5-520M from 4 years ago scores higher in both single & multi than these chips. I think the graphics scores also make it apparent that memory bandwidth is a big issue for GCN, and even 2133ddr3 doesn't cut it. 4x the gpu cores as kabini, with only 2x the output. What AMD desperately needs is an OEM that will put their chips in a design that doesn't look and perform like a black friday door buster. Sadly, with Intel's ultrabooks all calling for 17w cooling systems (and broadwell will be less!) there just aren't that many compelling (read: apple-like fashionable) 35w designs for AMD to hope they get recycled into. Reply
parkerm35 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - link"a big issue for GCN, and even 2133ddr3 doesn't cut it"
It was using 1866MHz ram. Reply
jabber - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkThey probably gave up competing because 95% of the customers stopped caring around 2006 onwards. Reply
iTzSnypah - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkI think the next step AMD should make in APU progression is the addition of DRAM on die. It's more efficient than adding more GPU cores for performance and you have hUMA so the CPU cores could take advantage of it too. Reply
Novaguy - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkExcept that 3000mhz ddr4 is coming out, so why invest time and r&d into on die dram for that next chip? Reply
CarrellK - Friday, June 06, 2014 - linkWhat you are asking for is an Xbox One APU. DRAM on die is not a trivial choice. The amount of DRAM you'd want to add is not insignificant and thus the amount of die area consumed would be very significant. To use the inevitably limited amounts of on-die DRAM introduces tremendous complexities in software, as coders have to special case the use of the high-bandwidth on-die DRAM and manage its use very carefully. You can do that with consoles, not with PCs. And the XBox One APU is at different cost/power/etc. points than Kaveri.
There are other solution paths, but that isn't suitable for a comment to a comment in a review article. Reply
Meaker10 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkIs it a faux "FX" chip or is it unlocked? Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkIt's not unlocked, but what would the point be? Let's just say my experience with overclocking laptops is that there's usually a reason 99% of laptops don't allow it. Huge notebooks with much beefier coolers can try, but even then we often get only marginal bumps in performance. Reply
Flunk - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkUnder clocking the CPU and overclocking the GPU. that would be helpful. I've actually done this in a laptop that shares coolers between a discrete GPU and CPU but I imagine it would be useful in an APU laptop too.
E.G. Note that the CPU is not underclocked in this test but I do normally underclock it to reduce the volume of the fan.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6039951 Reply
Meaker10 - Friday, June 06, 2014 - linkThe GS60 with M290x, with an a10-5750 it's a questionably balanced system, with an ad 5550m at 3.6-3.7ghz it offers a great deal of value. Reply
Meaker10 - Friday, June 06, 2014 - linkDamn auto correct, gx60 not gs60. Reply
vladx - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkThere's a mistake on the 3rd page, it should be i5-4200U not 5200U afaik. Reply
texasti89 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - link
I looked straight for the single-threaded performance and I see the 15w 4500u gets >50% higher score than the 35W 7600P. Yes, graphics is good at that high TDP, but without a competitive CPU performance I think it's hard to justify these SKUs for the target market. AMD really needs to stop this disastrous adoption of bulldozer-based CPUs for good. Reply
TrackSmart - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkThree thoughts:
1) I'm not defending AMD's single core performance, but the single-threaded cinebench test shows a 33% lead for the Intel Core-i5, which is not "greater than 50%". That said, I agree that AMD needs to close the gap on single-threaded CPU performance (and CPU performance-per-watt). This is as close as they've been in a long time, but the gap is still large. Their grand strategy has supposedly been to leverage the interaction of CPU+GPU to provide better performance, but when you are the minority player in the chip market, that's a tough hill to climb. How can you get software makers to write code for your APUS when they are only a fraction of the market *and* mostly found in the lowest-end consumer laptops?
2) Sure, multi-threaded CPU performance looks competitive here since AMD has thrown in more "cores" (purposeful use of quotation marks) for the same price as Intel, but that strategy can only go so far. At any time, Intel can choose to lower the price on its chips to match AMDs performance-per-dollar because Intel's chips use less silicon to produce the same CPU performance.
3) Anand is right that AMD needs to get these chips into nice laptops -- with lower-than-Intel prices -- and emphasize the gaming performance advantage. And those laptops had better have good battery life under normal usage. The presumed niche would be for an AMD laptop with reasonable gaming chops at several hundred dollars less than an Intel laptop with a discrete GPU.
That said, 35 watts is too high for the ultrabook form factor. Will AMDs graphics advantage remain this large when you move down to a 15 Watt APU? If the answer is no, then Anand's ideal doesn't really work. All you would get is a $50 cheaper AMD laptop with slower CPU performance and similar GPU performance!
[Note: I'm really rooting for AMD, but I'm going to remain cautious in my enthusiasm for these new chips until I see them in actual laptops. As they say, the proof is in the pudding.] Reply
Natfly - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - link> I'm not defending AMD's single core performance, but the single-threaded cinebench test shows a 33% lead for the Intel Core-i5, which is not "greater than 50%".
1.33 / .87 = 1.53. 53% faster. Reply
TrackSmart - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkYes, but the core i5 I specifically refer to is only a 33% difference. I'm guessing you were looking at the i7. So we are both wrong and both right. And in agreement about the need for better single threaded performance. Reply
piroroadkill - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkNice chip. But that said, without battery life results, this review does fall flat, I understand that they couldn't be done, though.
Other than that, you've touched on the main issue with AMD based laptops: nobody wants to make a good one.
Give me something like my old Sony Vaio Z12 with that FX-7600P in it, at a decent price, and you have a compelling product. I don't want ridiculous resolutions. I want one that will work well for games and desktop use at a nice size. The Z12 @ 13.1" 1600×900 offers that absolutely perfectly in my opinion. Reply
Homeles - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - link"From what I could gather, AMD used "V" transistors in Trinity/Richland but has switched to "T" transistors for Kaveri, which explains the drop in maximum clock speed."
Perhaps, but the most important reason was the regression from PD-SOI to bulk.
Interesting claim there about the transistor "shapes." I've not heard of T and V shaped transistors... it appears to be the shape of the gate. Reply
rhx123 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkI am really confused about the Acer, as according to Ark, the 4500U has no PCIE 16x lane output, how is the 750M attached?
http://ark.intel.com/products/75460/Intel-Core-i7-... Reply
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkIt has a single x4 link and dual x2 ink. the 750m would be connected by the x4 link. Reply
coburn_c - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkThe GPU isn't good enough to game with and the CPU isn't good enough to do anything else with. You'll get half the battery life of the competition and it will get twice as hot. Abject failure. Reply
frozentundra123456 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkYes, you hit on the crux of the matter. Problem is still that of all APUs, the igp performance is still in limbo: almost there but not quite for gaming, while cpu performance and power consumption trail intel badly. Looking at the gaming tests, looks like one will be limited to 768p, and even then COH (admittedly terribly optimized) is not playable, and we have no tests for demanding games like Watchdogs, Metro LL, or Crysis 3. So one will be stuck with either a crappy 768p screen or playing at non-native resolution for a lot of games. Not to mention, this mobile chip should have come out first instead of being so close to the broadwell mobile launch. Reply
silverblue - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkYou say "cpu performance and power consumption trail intel badly". There's no real data on the latter apart from TDP values (which, in themselves, aren't an accurate indicator), and the FX-7600P is certainly no slouch when viewing the CPU benchmarks in this preview. Let's not forget that large portion of the die dedicated to the GPU, either - just because it's there, doesn't mean it's being used. Toms had the FX-7600P doing well at GPGPU (it should) and PCMark, less well at physics scores in 3DMark (the competition was a high-end i7) and even worse in Sandra, but we know that doesn't always mean everything; after all, the Core 2 had low memory bandwidth due to having no IMC but was still easily the match of the Phenom II series.
This is a preview, so quite why people are expecting numerous tests on 2013/14 titles from a very brief testing period is beyond me. Patience, grasshopper! Reply
Novaguy - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkBut I suspect you can hit 1080p with an awful lot of 2007~2012 games, making kaveri mobile + 1080p a great humble bundle mobile gaming solution. Now, if they combined it with freesync, you could get away with lower frame rates and play even more recent games. Reply
The_Assimilator - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkThe use case for a laptop is simple: you don't require graphics horsepower the majority of the time. Hence it makes more sense to use a CPU that uses less power (and performs better), and pair it with a discrete GPU that won't be drawing any power most of the time. Intel understands this and it's why they make money.
AMD on the other hand, have dreamed up a mythical future reality where everyone who buys a laptop expects it to deliver decent GPU performance. But very few people buy laptops to play games on, they buy laptops to be productive while mobile - and faster CPU that use less battery power are always going to win out. Reply
nemi2 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkIt's becoming more of a glaring omission as time progresses that AMD doesn't have a SSD caching option in their SATA BIOS/drivers. AMD is targeting the cheaper end of notebooks so I agree with the author: a pure SSD storage solution will not make the BOM, and because there is no AMD SSD caching solution a 8,16,32GD SSD cache can't make the BOM either - discrete chece is not supported and a hybrid HD unfortunately also seem to also command a $ premium and don't have as good integration with windows.
Makes me wonder what the state of USB "ready boost" is with Windows these days?, things are very quiet on the that front. Also where is a cheap / free 3rd party utility to provide SSD/ NVM caching, do AMD laptop vendors have any budget / driver solution? Reply
lmcd - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkThe SSD caching probably explains it -- thanks for posting (not an obvious conclusion to reach!) Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkSSD caches are really only good for two things:
1) Inflate certain benchmark scores (PCMark being a major one).
2) Help laptop boot/resume faster.
Seriously, most other tasks that hit the storage hard -- installing an application, loading a bunch of apps at once, opening a browser with 30 active tabs -- are all only slightly faster than an HDD with SSD caching, where a pure SSD is substantially faster. The best SSD caching solution right now comes from Apple, and it's only good because it's 64GB or more; 24/32GB SSD caches just don't cut it in my experience. Reply
Shadowmaster625 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linki7-4550u has a tray price of $426. It would be interesting to see that comparison, but what is the point ultimately? Also, they probably couldnt get their hands on one. Reply
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkWhile Kaveri seems like a good chip, it has two problems. It's cpu performance is still very poor compared to intel, and it is coming to mobile WAY too close to broadwell, which will probably be slightly faster, if intel bragging of 40% graphic improvement is correct. on top of that, anandtech, please compare the kaveri to 37 watt i5s. that's the real competition for this chip. leave the 19 watt to duke it out with the 15 watt chips. Reply
WorldMadness - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkYou can look at tomshardware They reviewed FX7600 vs i7-4702 except the cpu performance everything else is not to shabby, decent enough but still not to my expectation as we know except MSI every single vendor would come out with shitty spec Reply
silverblue - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkYet there's still the unexplained matter as to why the last two generations of GX70s performed so badly... Reply
mga318 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkConsidering that the Kaveri FX has a 35W TDP part while the i7U+GT750M has 67W TDP, I'm quite impressed. This could have a lot of promise if OEMs would stop ruining everything Reply
HappyHubris - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - link"For people that truly need compute performance, I suspect they're looking at much higher performance parts than an API"
API=APU? Reply
Tikcus9666 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkWhat i want is an AMD FX-7600P, in a 14/15" thin and light enclosure with Full HD screen
8GB DDR 3 @ 2133 MHZ, 128GB/256GB SSD, i'd buy straight away, unfortunately what we will see is, a bulkier 15.6 " screen at 1366*768, 4GB of DDr 3 @ 13333MHz, and a 5400 rpm hard drive, and a GPU added in crossfire or on it's own which is only slightly more powerful than the APU Reply
Tikcus9666 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - link1333 Mhz (not being able to alter comments) Reply
Roland00Address - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkI hate dsylexia, my first time I read the first page I read AMD MOBILE KAVERI SKUS, as AMD MOBILE KAVERI SUCKS. Reply
kyuu - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkI did the same thing, and I don't even have dyslexia. I had to do a double-take and look at it carefully before realizing it was SKUS and not SUCKS. Reply
CoronaL - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linklol me too Reply
max1001 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkI would love to see a nicely spec ultrabook with this APU and $800-$1k price point that can do decent gaming. Reply
AnnonymousCoward - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkIt'd be fun to throw a GTX 760 in the mix, just to see where we're at. Reply
CoronaL - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkWonder if they will pair that up with a cheap 250x mobile version for some X-fire gaming on laptop. I bet that would beef up the graphics a fair bit. IMO the cpu part is pretty respectable trading blows with the i7 and i5 for the most part, which AMD usually gets trounced in. Reply
azazel1024 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkWell it does look a lot better than Richland and price might be a big driver in making these interesting (I see no prices?), but 19w Kaveri versus 15w Haswell ULT...the 15w Haswell ULT, depending on the turbo performance of the 19w Kaveri part looks to run roughly as fast to a very sizeable 20-30% lead in CPU performance and with the GPU cut down to roughly half performance between core and clock reduction...the Haswell ULT is likely to be on par graphically +/-10%. In a lower power consumption package...and if the Kaveri has turboing issues or the GPU is thermally constrained in this package it could be a much more significant lead.
The 15w Kaveri doesn't look like it would be on the performance map at all (<<<50% of the performance of Haswell ULT). The standard voltage parts actually look the most interesting, especially if the price is moderate. That would probably allow you to make a decent performing machine (70-90% of an Intel's CPU performance) with a very nice iGPU for a rather low price point (assuming the FX-7600p is very price competitive to the Intel Haswell SV dual core parts). Reply
azazel1024 - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkI guess I missed something with the Intel chips in regard to the TDP. My experience is vastly different. Most Intel chips, both desktop and mobile, don't seem to come close to hitting max TDP under full CPU load. Especially in the desktop space I see something like my i5-3570 with a TDP of 77w is hitting around a 35w delta between idle and full load based on wall plug data, considering losses from the power supply and assuming a fairly low (CPU) idle number, thats only in the area of 30-40w total power consumption. That isn't simply under load, the processor is clocked up to 4.2GHz single core and 4GHz all 4 cores turbo. That isn't a max burn situation where every single itty bitty capacitor and transistor is loaded like Intel does in their TDP tests, but that is under 100% sustained CPU load across all 4 cores.
From what I have seen with Ivy Bridge testing (which ain't Haswell I'll admit) a fully loaded i5-3317u seems to only use in the area of 8-10w with both cores fully loaded max turbos 100% CPU load. Its the GPU that uses a huge whack of power, >12w under max load and turbos.
I'd assume Haswell is pretty close there, at least with the CPU, since the turbo core speed is the same, same lithography, very similar architecture. So I doubt a ULT Haswell is using more than 10w under max CPU load and turbos. Its the GPU that is going to be the power hog.
No idea what AMD is capable of on these, but we know they are using a less energy efficient process, so I'd assume/guess that their CPU is probably below the cap under max CPU load, but it might be much closer, maybe in the 12-15w range under max turbo, meaning GPU load is going to cause the CPU to scale pretty far back, even on the 19w chips. Reply
worm - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkIt seems like any benchmarks of the Ax-7xxxP should be against an ix-4xxxM, not MQ, like over at Tom's, and the 7xxx, should be against the ix-4xxxU, at approximately the closest price point. That leaves plenty to choose from, in laptops in the market. Hopefully we can get that data so a real comparison can be made. I hope we are just waiting on OEMs to release their Kaveri laptops, in both 19w, and 35w forms, to make it worthwhile? Reply
JarredWalton - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkI am actually testing the first dual-core standard voltage Haswell laptop right now, so I'll have that data added to Bench in the next week. Reply
meacupla - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkstill waiting on A6-7600K.
I know it's a desktop CPU, but c'mon, it's been four months since Febuary and I don't even see it in stock at newegg. Reply
MLSCrow - Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - linkWhy are they comparing Kaveri to the 15W ULV i7? Simple, because it's a more fair comparison for multiple reasons:
A) That i7 is a dual core with hyperthreading (4 threads). Kaveri is a dual module with modular multithreading (4 threads). An AMD module is what you compare to a single Intel Core with hyperthreading. That is the fair comparison. It wouldn't be fair to compare a dual core vs a quad core now would it?
B) Although the Intel chip is still more expensive than the Kaveri, it is much more closely priced than the quad core version. Price ranges should always be taken into consideration when comparing offerings of like-capabilities from different manufacturers. Reply
silverblue - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkEach Steamroller core has two integer pipes, making four per module, as compared to Haswell's four per core. If only the module was exposed to Windows rather than each integer core, wouldn't there be a chance that single threaded workloads would be significantly boosted? Reply
aicom - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkNot with the current microarchitecture. The integer pipelines are statically partitioned between the cores on each module (unlike HyperThreading). It's a key aspect of what AMD calls CMT. Reply
silverblue - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkYes, but I was thinking about changes to the front end. I suppose what I'm referring to is a regression but the integer cores are too weak on their own. Essentially, I was imagining what would be required to adopt a more SMT-style system and whether it'd be any sort of improvement. Reply
Meteorhead - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkToo bad the benchmarks were not done with 2166MHz RAM modules. Earlier Richland tests in a Hungarian magazine clearly showed that ALL games are memory bandwidth limited and FPS values 100% correlate with RAM clocks. 20% increase in RAM clock = 20% increase in FPS. I'd suspect exactly the same behavior holds for Kaveri too, specially that it's even more powerful in ALU terms. Reply
orenc17 - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkWhy Haven't you compared it to iris or iris pro? Reply
MLSCrow - Friday, June 06, 2014 - linkThey aren't comparing it to Iris or Iris Pro, because...
A) Kaveri costs about half or a third of what an Intel chip costs with Iris Pro, and...
B) Iris Pro only comes on certain quad-core Intel chips in the 47W TDP range. There is no fair comparison to make. Reply
silverblue - Saturday, June 07, 2014 - linkPoint B just makes me think of The Terminator...
"Iris Pro CPU in the 47W range."
"Hey, just what ya see, pal." Reply
wumpus - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkThe point is that a power supply may be expected to supply more than the TDP for significant portions of a second (more than enough to exhaust the input capacitors of the output switcher). Don't use TDP for electrical specs. Reply
MLSCrow - Friday, June 06, 2014 - linkAwesome name btw. I used to play a game for my TI-99 back in the early 80's called "Hunt the Wumpus". Reply
TheJian - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - link1366x768 and these are avg fps I'm sure as no mention of mins, so don't even expect to play in this CRAP resolution without a gpu as shown. Unfortunately as these things have gotten faster, game engines have gotten more taxing. They really have gained nothing on discrete which is why those sales are staying just where they are while PC sales are down 12% last year. You still need a card to do real gaming. Reply
kirilmatt - Friday, June 06, 2014 - linkThese chips are an amazing step for AMD. They have moved from i3-level CPU performance up to i5 level in some cases. People seem to neglect the potential of dual graphics in these laptops. With a GCN GPU, big gains could be seen. There would be less energy usage for more performance in games. The 19W FX looks like the best chip that they offer. AMDs previous ULV offerings have been dead awful. The OEMs are sure to ruin it though by putting them in inferior hardware. Reply
MLSCrow - Friday, June 06, 2014 - linkJust think about this...considering that Kaveri is actually a pretty decent APU, especially for the mobile market, just imaging what Carrizo is going to be like. I honestly believe that Carrizo will be the first APU that will actually be considerable in terms of an enthusiast gaming laptop/ultrabook. When AMD moves to 20nm, we will finally have HD7870 performance in an iGPU and that is when APU's will completely take over the market as that puts out acceptable performance even for a hardcore gamers.
Add to that an all new x86 core built from the ground up by Jim Keller, mixed with a 16nm process by the time it comes out...and hell, we may even get what all AMD fans are dreaming of right now, an 8 or 16 core APU with the iGPU performance equivalent of an HD7970 or perhaps even R9-290x. Reply
johnny_boy - Saturday, June 07, 2014 - linkThe 19W FX part is nice. These make great chips for linux laptops since you get good gpu performance without having to deal with dual graphics and graphics switching, a horrendous affair on linux (though improving). If they put this in a moderately well-built machine in the $600-800... Reply
UtilityMax - Sunday, June 08, 2014 - linkThe tests are kind of meaningless. As others pointed out, AT compares AMD's 35W TDP part with Intel's 18W TDP designs. Moreover, those lower power Intel CPUs are dual core while the Kaveri A10s are quad core. Bring Intel's mobile quad core i7 or at least a 35W Core i5 (dual core) part, and there'd be no comparison. AMD would be far behind in any bench that doesn't use GPU. Reply
Andrew H - Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - linkAfter reading, I was a bit disappointed that that didn't have the socket type. After doing some digging, those of us currently using the 5750M (Socket FS1r2) will NOT be able to swap in the new FX-7600P (Socket BGA/FP3).
Shame, guess I'll have to wait for MSI to get on the bandwagon and I can order a motherboard/cpu combo that fits in their universal 17" chassis.
Source: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Ser... Reply


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This paradigm shift will also introduce new opportunities for cleansing and care products for both the skin and hair. For example, Croda is now working on a formulation for a cleansing conditioner—a multifunctional product—Toumit shared.
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Liberty Defeats Longwood for 15th Big South Title
|Liberty earned its 15th Big South Championship title in the last 17 years with its 54-45 win over Longwood, Sunday afternoon.
Strong defense and a dominating rebounding performance keyed No. 1 seed Liberty to its 15th VisitMyrtleBeach.com Big South Women's Basketball Championship title, Sunday afternoon at The HTC Center. The Lady Flames posted a +29 rebound margin and held No. 7 seed Longwood to 27.3 percent field goal shooting during their 54-45 victory.
The Lady Flames (27-6) captured their second straight Big South title and 15th crown in the last 17 years just hours after the Liberty men's basketball team also cut down the nets at The HTC Center following an 87-76 win over Charleston Southern. This is the second time in conference history that one school has swept the Big South men's and women's basketball titles in the same year, after Liberty accomplished the same feat in 2004.
The Lady Flames will learn their NCAA Division I Women's Basketball Championship destination, seed and first-round opponent on March 18 at 7 p.m. on ESPN.
Longwood's (14-19) improbable tournament run came to an end despite a 14-point, seven-rebound effort by Chelsea Coward. The Lancers won three games in four days, becoming the third No. 7 seed ever to reach the Big South women's final. Longwood was also picked 11th in the preseason Big South poll, prior to its initial season of conference play.
Devon Brown highlighted the Lady Flames' rebounding efforts with a game-high 13 caroms, to go along with five points and three steals. She was named tournament MVP for the second time in her career (also 2010), headlining the all-tournament team that also featured fellow seniors Tolu Omotola (game-high 16 points, 8 rebounds on Sunday) and Brittany Campbell (8 points), Coward and Campbell's Tonisha Baker.
Campbell and Omotola each hit three-pointers as Liberty opened up an 8-5 advantage during the first 3:08 of the contest.
Longwood's initial lead (10-8) came on a Mieke Elkington triple during the Lancers' ensuing 7-0 run. Chelsea Coward's bank shot at 14:53 gave Longwood at 12-8 edge.
Liberty held the Lancers to one made field goal during the next 10 minutes, going on a 15-2 run which gave the Lady Flames the lead for good. Freshmen Sadalia Ellis and Ashley Rininger combined to score 12 of those points, and a free throw by Jasmine Gardner put the Lady Flames in front, 23-14, with 6:18 remaining in the half.
Liberty still led by nine points before Khalilah Ali notched the last three points of a 5-0 Longwood run. Her pair of made free throws at 1:28 pulled the Lancers to within 27-23.
Devon Brown then closed out the first-half scoring with a putback hoop for her first points of the game, giving the Lady Flames a 29-23 halftime edge.
Made field goals came at a premium during the first 20 minutes, as Liberty hit only 32.4 percent (11-of-34) of its shots and Longwood connected at a 23.3 percent (7-of-30) clip.
The Lady Flames built their halftime edge due to a 33-15 rebounding edge and advantages in points in the paint (16-8) and bench points (14-5).
In fact, reserves Rininger (8 points) and Ellis (6 points) topped Liberty's first-half scoring chart while Gardner collected seven rebounds.
Erin Neal's seven points led Longwood during the opening half.
Tolu Omotola scored nine of Liberty's first 11 points to start the second half, including a layup off of a nice feed from Ellis at 13:25. The hoop gave the Lady Flames their first double-digit advantage at 40-29.
Campbell beat the shot clock buzzer with a three-pointer at the 11:50 mark, finishing off an 8-0 Liberty surge and boosting the Lady Flames' lead to 14 points (43-29).
The advantage eventually grew to 15 at 46-31 with 9:26 remaining. Liberty then prevented a Longwood comeback with staunch defense down the stretch. The Lancers managed only four made field goals the rest of the way, and the Lady Flames finished with a 54-45 triumph for their third win over Longwood this season and their 14th consecutive victory overall.
Liberty shot just 35.8 percent (19-of-53) from the field, 27.3 percent (3-of-11) from three-point range and 54.2 percent (13-of-24) from the foul line. But the Lady Flames prevailed, thanks in part to considerable edges in points in the paint (28-10), second-chance points (10-5) and bench points (20-11).
Longwood forced 24 Liberty turnovers but converted the miscues into just 11 points.
Omotola's 16 points marked her third straight game scoring in double figures at the tournament and pulled her to within 19 points of 1,000 for her career.
Fellow post player Rininger joined her in double figures, tallying 10 points and seven rebounds off the bench.
Campbell's two triples gave her a total of eight for the tournament in 14 attempts.
With starting point guard Reagan Miller mired in foul trouble for much of the day, Ellis played a career-high 31 minutes, contributing eight points and a game-high four assists.
Postgame Quotes
Liberty Head Coach Carey Green
"This past week has been an emotional roller coaster. It has been a thrill to be associated with this team and this senior class. They were determined to win a championship and we got that done today. We are going to enjoy this one for the next week.
"I want to congratulate a very good Longwood team. Teams want to get hot during March madness and Longwood did just that. They were playing their best basketball at the end of the season."
On the second half of play
"I don't think the team lost their composure at all. We didn't play well at times and turned the ball over and lost some rebounds. But Tolu Omotola and Devon Brown showed great leadership. We were able to weather the runs that Longwood made and come away with a championship."
Longwood Head Coach Bill Reinson
"First off, congratulations to Liberty and head coach Carey Green. Coach Green runs a great program at Liberty and they played tremendous, fundamentally sound basketball all season long. Secondly, we are playing on Sunday in the championship game. We were picked to finish 11th in the league's preseason poll and we proved we were much better than that this season."
On playing four games in five days
"Other than some shots not falling, I don't think playing four games in five days had much impact on us. We played hard today. We were not tired and I don't believe anyone can question the effort of this team today."
Big South All-Tournament Team
Devon Brown – Liberty (MVP)
Tolu Omotola – Liberty
Brittany Campbell – Liberty
Chelsea Coward – Longwood
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Toheeb Okenla and Jesus Fernandez were recently named winners of NFTE's annual National Youth Entrepreneurship Challenge (NYEC) for their business T&J Soccer, a retail business that sells soccer socks to protect player's shins during game. Fernandez, a 17-year-old student at Thornwood High School and Okenla, also 17 and now studying at University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign, took home the $25,000 grand prize, prevailing over the top 34 businesses from around the country. Jesus and Toheeb were able to hone their business plan and prepare for the competition through the entrepreneurship education programs provided in the NFTE curriculum. We contacted Toheeb and Jesus' NFTE teacher Danny Gray, and asked him to reflect on their win.
Danny Gray,
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What do you think about teaching NFTE?
This year I had the experience of a lifetime as a teacher. NFTE is one of the most exciting classes that a business teacher can teach, and this year with the opportunity to participate in the National Youth Entrepreneurship Challenge elevated my excitement to another level.
What was it like to work with Toheeb and Jesus?
Working with Toheeb and Jesus was a learning experience that I deeply enjoyed. We were able to work through some challenging moments which helped them take their presentation to another level. Jesus and Toheeb are serious competitors, and after some challenging activities that took place during the first round of the national competition, we were able to regroup and tweak some things that we were not happy about. I have never worked with students that were more dedicated to being the best they could be.
What was it like to watch Toheeb and Jesus' business plan develop?
When we presented in the class, Toheeb and Jesus were not my first choice. I had several students in my class with great business ideas and I was only willing to advance the students that were giving 100%. I remember pulling them both to the side to let them know that I didn't think they were giving 100% and I suggested they commit more to the class. When I saw their first presentation after they appeared to only be giving 75%, I said, "Wow!"
What do you think of the national competition?
The national competition was one of the best experiences I have had so far as a teacher. I almost cried when my guys were announced the winners. I expected drama, but what I witnessed was like a Broadway play. It was like winning a Tony Award. My students said that they wanted to thank their teacher for all the support, and even though they did all the work, it felt good to know that with all the stardom, they did not forget me.


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UF lacrosse beats England in exhibition
Published: Thursday, January 24, 2013 at 6:01 a.m.
Last Modified: Friday, January 25, 2013 at 12:13 a.m.
Florida defeated the England National Team, 18-13, in exhibition play on Thursday.
Eight different Gators scored goals led by senior attack Ashley Bruns, who finished the evening with five goals and two assists, and Nicole Graziano, who chipped in four goals.
"I thought the team played very, very well and we have really high expectations for this team and I thought we played a very good first half offensively and defensively," coach Amanda O'Leary said. "We had some problems in the second half, I think that's just basics, not being able to throw and catch and those things are easy to fix."
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Nintendo is transforming the way people access, experience, create and share content with the new Nintendo DSi system, the third iteration of the world's best-selling portable video game system.
Some features that will be built into the system and ready to enjoy upon purchase include the Nintendo DSi Camera, Nintendo DSi Sound and Nintendo DSi Shop. The most noticeable feature of the slim Nintendo DSi system is its two cameras - one camera is on the external body, and the second one points at the user when the device is flipped open. As the first truly interactive digital camera in a video game system with 10 different interactive "lenses" that can manipulate your photos, the Nintendo DSi Camera offers an easy way to take and share your photos with family and friends. The cameras also present people with unprecedented ways to interact with their games while giving developers a new tool to devise creative games and experiences. If the touch screen gave Nintendo DS a sense of feel and the microphone allowed it to hear, the two cameras give Nintendo DSi the sense of sight.
Another enhanced feature is the Nintendo DSi Sound application, which serves as both an interactive voice recorder and music player that allows users to play with their music while they listen to it. Users can access different audio filters or control the pitch and speed of recorded voice or music files to alter voices or change the tempo of a song. The mic is located between the two screens when the device is flipped open, and there is also a stereo headphone output that lets users listen to music saved on an SD card, even with the screen shut.
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Last month, Rick Grant, president of the William H. Miner Agricultural Research Institute in Chazy, N.Y., participated in a program focused on feeding higher-forage diets. He began each talk with the simple question: What is a high-forage diet?
"At each site the consensus seemed to be at least 70 percent forage," Grant writes in the February 2013 Miner Institute Farm Report. "At one site a producer even pointed out that feeding high corn silage diets, though increasingly common, is not really feeding high forage because of the grain content of the silage. His point engendered discussion about what forage mixture we can realistically expect to feed to our high-producing cows."
Grant goes on to explain that a 70-percent forage diet containing corn silage is a misnomer compared with a diet based on a mixture of grass and legumes.
"We quickly focus on fiber and fiber digestibility when discussing high-forage diets, but we must remember that over 60 percent of the digestible nutrients from typical corn silages come from nonfiber components of the crop," he said.
The Wisconsin program also included a look at forage genetics currently available for grasses, legumes, corn hybrids, and other forages.
Grant also discusses this in his "president's desk" message in the February 2013 Farm Report.
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Bureau Veritas (one of the classification societies) provides that kind of survey for each flag state giving the status of IMO instruments, surveys and certificates needed for registry.
As you can see there are quite many regulations to be respected. Some of them do not apply to yachts. Many of them must however be respected by the largest commercial yachts - those exceeding 500GT which is normally a yacht around 150 feet and above.
Further on I might add some topics dealing with a couple of regulations of particular interest. I'm thinking of the ISM (International Safety Management) Code, ISPS (International Ships and Port Facility Security) Code and MARPOL (International Convention for the Prevention of Pollution from Ships). They concern large commercial yachts like charter yachts and of course the largest yachts certificated as passenger ships.


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Chefs' Secrets: Frederick's Spicy Remoulade Sauce
Published 12:00 am, Wednesday, July 21, 2010
Dear Pat: Frederick's Bistro has an appetizer called Frederick's Crab Cakes, Spring Mixed and Spicy Rémoulade Sauce. My daughter and I don't like seafood, but will eat theirs all day. They have to be the best crab cakes in the world along with a remarkable remoulade sauce. Do you think you could get their recipe for the sauce? Thank you for your help, and I really enjoy your article and the wonderful recipes you track down and share with us. Makes some of us really want to cook.
Dear Glenda: Thank you for your kind words. Our chefs' recipes inspire me to get into the kitchen too! Case in point — Frederick's Bistro owner Frederick Costa, and his chef, Francis Perrin's excellent mayonnaise-based Rémoulade sauce. At the bistro, they use it to accompany their stellar crab cakes, but it's a sauce that can be used in a myriad of ways. Rémoulade is the perfect accompaniment to fish and seafood such as boiled shrimp, as well as cold meats and vegetables — even french fries. It's great with blanched asparagus, too.
Costa strongly advises you make your own mayonnaise, and I've included instructions for it, but be fastidious in handling homemade mayonnaise. If it's stored correctly, mayonnaise is less perishable than people often assume, but it should not be left at room temperature for long periods. Keep it cool and tightly covered, and use it within four days. You can make a smaller batch if you feel you can't use it within that time frame.
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Frederick's rémoulade is based on the French version, made with capers and herbs. It's very similar to tartar sauce, but uses cornichons (French for gherkins) rather than standard dill pickles. The crisp, tart cornichons are also used to accompany patés, smoked meats or fish. French rémoulade differs from the Louisiana-style one that contains Creole mustard, finely chopped vegetables and often paprika, but Frederick's is a classic. Now, head to the kitchen.
Frederick's Bistro is at 14439 N.E. Military Hwy., Ste. 100
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A 41-year-old man is to face trial by judge and jury accused of sexually abusing a young girl.
Aubrey Carter pleaded not guilty to three counts of sexual activity with a child when he appeared at Swindon crown court on Friday.
It is alleged he carried out a sex act with the girl, when she was aged 14 or 15, between the start of 2012 and mid May last year.
He is then said to have had sex with her on two occasions between Wednesday, May 8, and Saturday, May 11, 2013.
Carter, of Cornflower Close, Calne, denied all three allegations which relate to the same child.
Judge Tim Mousley QC adjourned the case to Monday, August 18, when Carter is to face trial on the charges.
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Wells Fargo & Company announced it will donate $75,000 to Native American Connections (NAC) of Phoenix as part of a $6 million in grants awarded across 67 nonprofits through its 2013 Leading the Way Home® program Priority Markets Initiative to help stabilize and revitalize neighborhoods impacted by the economy. The Leading The Way Home® program Priority Markets Initiative provides grant support for neighborhood stabilization projects that are located in areas designated for revitalization to stimulate growth, stability and investment in distressed areas.
"Wells Fargo is bringing much needed support to enable these nonprofits to help stabilize and revitalize local communities," said Michael Riley, Metro West area president for Wells Fargo Arizona. "We believe the work of the nonprofit community is a critical conduit to revitalize neighborhoods in cities that have been deeply affected by the challenging economy."
Native American Connections, is actively involved and experienced in community revitalization efforts and was identified by Wells Fargo as being in need of extra help with large-scale neighborhood revitalization projects. Priority Markets Initiative program grants can be used for any costs associated with the development or redevelopment of the project. Recipients must be an IRS 501c3 organizations with successful histories of building or renovating housing for low-to moderate-income homebuyers.
"Native American Connections first partnered with Wells Fargo in 2004 for our very first Low-Income Housing Tax Credit (LIHTC) development," said Diana Yazzie Devine, NAC chief executive officer. "The experience helped us grow our capacity to develop high quality, affordable housing serving a range of our client's needs throughout central Phoenix. Wells Fargo supports NAC's strategies of building along Phoenix's new light rail system, selecting difficult urban infill sites that increase density, reduce parking, building green, and embracing our mission of ensuring our residents have access to much-needed support systems and employment. We would like to thank Wells Fargo for their years of continued support and we look forward to our work together in the future."
Native American Connections will use the grant funds to make additional energy efficiency improvements to Urban Living on 2nd (UL2), and to further reduce building operating costs and individual unit energy costs. UL2, opening January 2014, is a 70-unit LIHTC development offering affordable housing along the light rail line at 650 North 2nd Avenue in Phoenix. Wells Fargo provided construction financing for the project.
Wells Fargo's Leading the Way Home® community outreach program helps communities stabilize their current housing situation while advancing homeownership to build strong communities into the future. Since 2009, the Leading the Way Priority Markets Initiative grant program, funded through the Wells Fargo Housing Foundation, has provided more than $25 million to nearly 100 communities.
The Leading the Way Home Program Priority Markets Initiatives are administered through the Wells Fargo Housing Foundation. Since 1993, the Wells Fargo Housing Foundation has invested more than $284 million in support of affordable housing and community revitalization programs, and delivered 4.7 million in volunteer hours to build or rehabilitate more than 5,000 homes.


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Italian Renaissance Art
The course explores developments in the visual arts (primarily painting and sculpture) in 15th-and 16th-century Italy and includes such artists as Masaccio, Donatello, Sofonisba Anguissola, Botticelli, Leonardo and Michelangelo. It is partly a chronological survey and partly a thematic exploration of important issues--the social construction of the artist; the concept of humanism and its effect on creative developments; the problems of Renaissance historiography; the question of whether or not women had a Renaissance. The class is also concerned with the presuppositions on which art historians have based their interpretations of Renaissance art and culture and on the methods that they have applied to support these presuppositions. Emphasis is on primary readings. Class sessions will be mostly discussion. May count towards European Studies minor.
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I think its flash, not sure?
but the cold dead hand video:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0433b3 ... jim-carrey
How would you auto downjload via python?
I checked /tmp directory upon loading the video. But nothing is there?
youtube-dl is a small command-line program to download videos from YouTube.com and a few more sites. It requires the Python interpreter (2.6, 2.7, or 3.3+), and it is not platform specific. It should work in your Unix box, in Windows or in Mac OS X. It is released to the public domain, which means you can modify it, redistribute it or use it however you like.
import requests
r = requests.get("http://vo.fod4.com/v/0433b30576/v2500.mp4", stream=True)
with open('cold_dead_jim_carrey.mp4', 'wb') as handle:
for block in r.iter_content(1024):
if not block:
import requests
import re
def funny_id(url='url'):
'''Take video id from url'''
url_read = requests.get(url)
text = url_read.text
id_vid = re.search(r'''<source src="http://vo.fod4.com/v/(.*)/v600.mp4" />''', text)
return id_vid.group(1)
def quality(choosen_quality, funny_id):
'''Choose quality and insert funny_id'''
vid_quality =\
{'low': 'http://vo.fod4.com/v//v110.mp4',
'med': 'http://vo.fod4.com/v//v600.mp4',
'high': 'http://vo.fod4.com/v//v2500.mp4'}
adress = vid_quality[choosen_quality]
first = adress.partition('v/')[:2]
last = adress.partition('v/')[2:]
video_adress = '{}{}{}'.format(first[0]+first[1], funny_id, last[0])
return video_adress
def download(fin_url):
'''Download given url'''
req = requests.get(fin_url, stream=True)
with open('your_video.mp4', 'wb') as handle:
for block in req.iter_content(4096):
if not block:
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url = 'http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4178033806/paris-hilton-responds-to-mccain-ad-censored-from-fod-team'
#Choose video quality you want(low, med, high)
video_quality = 'high'
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funny_id = funny_id(url)
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>Gears and Wears>Garmin HRM Issues
I'm having issues with my HRM. I have the FR 210 with the soft strap. The last few runs it has gone awry after about sixteen minutes. Typically what happens is that it has my heart rate fall to 70bpm. For a 16k run at 6:09 pace it calculates my calories burned at 310. I have washed the strap, tightened the strap and even used conductive gel. Nothing seems to work. Any ideas?
Unfortunately the Garmin softstraps are notorious for this issue. The old garmin hard plastics straps were far more reliable. This post from running gear guru DC Rainmaker tackles this problem head on. You'll get a nice fix for pretty cheap.
If you still want to hold out hope on it as is, he also has general tips on getting your HR monitor to function, but I think the softstraps are just beyond normal help.
Good luck!
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You may find this Polar soft strap works better than the one in DC Rainmaker's review. I don't think this one was out yet at the time. I already had the one in the review, and it wasn't working well.
Mine's been working about 5.5 months now. I do have occasional spikes (or extended high rates), but they seem to be related to days when the sweat soaks the monitor. Not sure why since it should be waterproof. I did give it a more thorough hand washing a few weeks ago, and it seems to be working consistently fine now. Temperatures are also getting more normal (50-60F).
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My Garmin soft strap gets a little wonky at times too, and mostly it's the insane spikes. DC Rainmaker was helpful with a few tips. I make sure to moisten the sensors before each use, and do a little readjusting if I notice a spike (usually just tug on the strap a little). The HRM is pretty much useless for the first few miles of any bike ride before it settles down. It consistently gives me readings of >250 on the bike until I start to perspire a little.
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The soft strap is worse than the old Garmin strap (which is the one I prefer). I get huge spikes especially when it's hot and humid (HRM gets too wet and moves too much). I might try the Polar if it's workable with the Fenix.
"The most powerful weapon on earth is the human soul on fire."
It's always fucking hot in Miami!
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I gave up on the Garmin soft strap and bought the old style. Since the change I haven't had any issues. With the soft strap I was wonder woman, regularly completely runs averaging a HR of 250bpm. I tried numerous tips and tricks suggested to help my old soft strap, but nothing really worked.
One day I decided I wanted to become a runner, so I did.
That was my exact problem. Oh, according to it, I'm dead!
I find the old style better but I still have issues when it's super humid. Not as bad as with the soft strap. I am sad they switched the strap but I still find it on www.runningwarehouse.com and/or amazon.com.
I bought this Polar soft strap to use with my Garmin Forerunner 210 based solely on AKTrail's recommendation. I had almost given up on using the HRM feature with my Garmin -- the data was getting pretty useless. The Polar strap works with the Garmin HRM transmitter without any modifications. It's soft and comfortable like the Garmin strap. About $19 on Amazon. Thanks for the tip!
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Same here!I broke my soft strap and I am using the Polar one instead. It actually shows no strange "peaks" as it usually happens. I get some with my Suunto one but it's pretty reliable too, specially since I rinse it I am pretty sure that these strange peaks and all the issues commented are caused by the bad quality or design of the electrodes of the Garmin soft strap.
When I run I feel like a swallow
Because you are free like a bird?
Nope, because of all the flies I eat.
I ordered the Polar soft strap. Tried it this morning. No spikes!
Thanks everyone.


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AutoTrac RowSense System combines the advantages of the AutoTrac System along with mechanical row feelers. This systems eliminates the limitations of a single system when harvesting corn. Productivity and precision in any conditions: down crop, curves and unevenly shaped fields.
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When operating in AutoTrac RowSense mode, both systems - row feeler and AutoTrac - are active. As soon as the feelers are unable to deliver a reliable signal, AutoTrac System takes over control of the steering. The system switches immediately back to fused mode when a row signal is available.
When selecting "A-B curves" or "Adaptive curves" in the guidance settings, AutoTrac RowSense System reacts proactively when approaching curves in the field. The combine steers smoothly into the curve as the location and radius is already available from the last path.
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Until now it was not possible to utilize AutoTrac System in fields planted without the use of guidance assistance, because of the differing track spacings caused by manual steering. AutoTrac RowSense System is able to self-centershift using information from the mechanical row feeler. With this functionality the combine will still follow the rows accurately, even if the tracks in the field are not parallel.
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Activating the system on the headland will guide the combine accurately into the rows, utilizing the full working width. This is of particular importance while operating a row dependent cornhead.


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Try this link and see if it helps:
jclark.org - HOWTO: Mount an OS X Hard Drive from a Ubuntu LiveCD
It's geared towards mounting OSX so may be of use to you.
So I have a problem. I have the latest version of backtrack downloaded to live cd and i'm using an imac. The live cd boots up just fine and i'm also excited to see it automatically detected the bluetooth keyboard (i've had trouble with linux distros in the past). The only problem is while using the live cd i would like to access the physical harddrive in the computer and be able to see and edit them (without actually installing bt4 to the drive). I can't seem to find the harddrive on any of my mount points and i've been unsuccessful using the 'mount' command (i'm rather unfamiliar with the command and still couldn't figure it out after reading the 'man' page on it. Does anyone know how to mount a harddrive in bt4? Particularly one formatted for osx? Thanks for any help.
Try this link and see if it helps:
jclark.org - HOWTO: Mount an OS X Hard Drive from a Ubuntu LiveCD
It's geared towards mounting OSX so may be of use to you.
I may have been born with a silver spoon in my mouth but it does not mean I like to be spoon fed.
Why do I see this ending in tears?
Yeah, I was going to mention PLEASE pay attention to EVERY detail in that how to. Sometimes I get ahead of myself and go willy nilly without realizing everyone has different levels of experience. My bad.
I may have been born with a silver spoon in my mouth but it does not mean I like to be spoon fed.
Might be purely useless, but i have to hit "F5" for BT4 to show up my hard drives (in Konkeror) so, try this, who knows ?
(it's anyways not mounted, but then I just have to double click on it or right click and mount)
Ok, that's not the way to do it. This is the proper way:
(Example O/Pfdisk -l
Remembering that your partition table will be different than mine, do it my way:Code:WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00000000 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 26 204819+ ee GPT /dev/sda2 26 36266 291100000 af Unknown /dev/sda3 36283 58144 175605032 af Unknown /dev/sda4 * 58144 60802 21344727 83 Linux
To unmount it (always do this before you shut down!):root@bt:~# mkdir -p /mnt/osx
root@bt:~# mount -t hfsplus /dev/sda2 /mnt/osx
root@bt:~# cd /mnt/osx
root@bt:/mnt/osx# ls
Applications Library System Volumes cores efi home net private tmp var
Developer Network Users bin dev etc mach_kernel opt sbin usr
In other words, don't dick around with parted unless you have to.root@bt:/mnt/osx# cd
root@bt:~# umount /mnt/osx
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A TAXI driver has said he no longer feels safe after his vehicle was showered with stones by yobs in Bolton town centre.
Farhan Patel, aged 38, from Deane, who drives for Metro Taxis, was driving in Blackhorse Street just after 9am on Friday when a group of five teenagers pelted his cab with stones and damaged his taxi.
He pulled over and tried to video the youths with his phone but they ran away.
The incident comes just days after 25-year-old Stephen Westhead was jailed for five years at Bolton Crown Court for throwing a lit firework on to the lap of Metro driver Akilbhai Fatakiya while he was behind the wheel.
Mr Patel said it is particularly worrying that such incidents are happening in the daytime. He added: "This happened in the morning in the town centre with loads of people around, it makes me wonder if we are ever safe.
"I am just a person who is trying to do his job and to help people get around, it is unbelievable that kids of 14 or 15 think it's okay to do this — I mean what is going on?"
Mr Patel said he believes incidents like this may be pre-planned on social media sites.
Director of Metro Taxis Nick Astley says people do not realise drivers work for themselves and rely on their vehicle to make a living.
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He said: "Luckily the damage in this case hasn't been too big, but if a driver has to take his car off the road to get it fixed then that can affect their income and obviously their family.
"The bigger issue though is the danger these incidents can cause, if those stones caused a car to swerve and kill someone then those kids could face a manslaughter charge — I just don't think they realise how serious the consequences could be."
"It is disgusting when someone is coming to work and trying to make an honest living and is attacked like this."
Police are investigating.