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ATI's X8xx CrossFire Graphics Arriveby Derek Wilson on 9/26/2005 1:00 PM EST
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justly - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkI'm still a little confused about this 60MHz limit at 1600x 1200.
Can someone please explain what I am looking at (in the graphs) when every 1600x1200 resolution that is tested is above 60MHz. If crossfire really is limited to 1600x1200@60MHz then what do these numbers represent? Wouldn't this also make the entire benchmarking section of this article pointless?
Pete - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - linkFramerate is separate from the physical refresh (or redraw, in the case of LCDs) rate of your monitor. The cards can produce higher than 60fps at 16x12, but you'll only see at most 60 of those frames in a given second. It's the same principle as with single cards today. Your frame rate might be 120fps, but if you're monitor's refreshing at 85Hz, you aren't going to see all those frames. They're just--for lack of a better term--thrown away. Reply
justly - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - linkThanks Pete, but I do understand the difference between a cards frame rate and a monitors refresh rate.
My confusion is in regards to this quote from the article "The problem is that ATI is currently fixing maximum CrossFire resolution to 1600x1200@60Hz", and then we see every game test ran at 1600x1200 over 60Hz (BTW thanks for ignoring my typo of MHz instead of Hz in my earlier post).
If the numbers in the game tests are the actual frame rates then why limit the resolution? Furthermore can the cards driver limit the monitors refresh rate? And again looking at the scores why would they want to do this?
I feel as if I am missing a vital piece of the puzzle.
Fluppeteer - Thursday, September 29, 2005 - linkSorry, now I think *I'm* missing something.
Where does it say anything about the games being run at over 60Hz refresh?
The cards manage significantly higher frame rates than 60fps when rendering
the games, but I've not spotted the monitor setup being mentioned *at all*.
Maybe I'm going blind. The graphs just show frame rate - no mention of refresh.
How do you mean "why limit the resolution"? Who's limiting it to what (in this case)?
The driver is responsible for programming the video outputs on the card, and
for reporting the available modes to the Display Properties dialogue. If the
driver won't let you set a higher resolution, then you can't (without using
something like PowerStrip) even if the card could physically do it. So yes,
the driver could limit it. The modes presented are a the result of negotiation
between the monitor and the driver, unless they're manually overridden. ATi's
drivers have been known not to present all the modes the monitor/card can handle
unless persuaded by a registry hack, but I don't think that's what's going on here.
In case of further confusion, it's up to the card to tell the monitor how to refresh
- the card "pushes", the monitor doesn't "pull". Some monitors have an internal
buffer to allow their screens to be updated separately from the frame buffer, and
obviously the refresh rate affects TFTs less than CRTs (a TFT won't fade to black
a fraction of a second after you last updated it), but the rate at which the video
gets from the card's frame buffer to the monitor is determined by the driver's
decision of how to program the card.
As for why ATi(?) would want to do this, I'm sure they don't. In theory Crossfire
should support higher single-link resolutions (at lower refreshes) - 1920x1200 at
50Hz, for example - and I believe it actually does, with the right monitor attached.
However, the X800/X850 series start to run out of performance above 1600x1200, when
their hierarchical Z buffer doesn't fit any more (according to an article on higher
resolution rendering with 7800GTXs; I could be wrong), so 1600x1200 would be a
reasonable limit anyway; also few LCD monitors support more than that without being
widescreened, and many games don't like a wide screen configuration. What you can't
do is exceed the single link bandwidth, so the card isn't psysically capable of
sending 1600x1200 at 85Hz for a CRT. 1600x1200 on an LCD should be fine, because
60Hz won't flicker; it's only CRT owners and those (few) with dual link LCDs who
have a problem.
I would guess this test was performed with a 20" LCD, on the basis that a 60Hz
1600x1200 CRT would drive the reviewer nuts quickly, and they're more common than
1920x1200 panels; hence no test above this. Any specific details of refresh will
presumably be the result of the driver talking to the monitor, and may not correspond
to what you'd get with a *different* monitor. Almost all TFTs will be within the
limits, but if you've got a decent CRT then it's definitely a problem. Nice of ATi
to buy us all 2405FPWs, isn't it?
FreshPrince - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkeven though their overall sli performance is lower than nvidia, if you compare the percentage increase from ati single to sli with the percentage increase from nvidia single to sli...ati comes out on top.
which basically tells us when ati comes out with a 7800gtx killer, they will have much higher sli numbers than nvidia.
the limitations, I'm sure they will square out in future implementations of crossfire.
I hope ati comes out with all-in-wonder editions of the sli cards...can you say 2 channels at the same time without any lag? :D Reply
TheInvincibleMustard - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - link"ati comes out on top"
... umm ... did you read/understand the tables at the bottom of page 6? Quoted directly from the review -- "the 4xAA modes show that SLI provides better scaling" ... meaning that SLI gets closer to the theoretical doubling of performance (ie, 100%) than CrossFire does. In fact, the only situation in which a move from single-card to dual-card scales better on the ATI side than the nVidia side is Doom3 at 16x12/noAA (41.3% vs 34.0%)...
This tells us nothing substantial about performance improvements when ATI comes out with R520, but in my opinion it would seem that nVidia has the stronger dual-card algorithms. If I had the choice of spending an additional $425 (cost of a master card, estimated) for an average performance improvement of ~37% with noAA or ~56% with 4xAA for ATI's CrossFire, versus spending an additional $450 (cost of another 7800GTX) for an average performance improvment of 48.5% with noAA or 79.8% with 4xAA for nVidia's SLI, I think I would definitely go with nVidia's solution, as that additional $500 for another 7800GTX offers more bang-for-buck than for one of ATI's master cards. Combine this with the fact that 7800GTX SLI offers better performance overall anyway, and it's a no-brainer. The situation's a little different if you've already got a 6800Ultra (but then why are you looking at CrossFire?) or an x850xt (but then why are you looking at SLI?), but those situations have no bearing. Simply put, nVidia has hands-down won this "round" of multi-card rendering, even ignoring current availability.
PS -- I would be curious what would be possible with two AIW's hooked up in CrossFire ... that could certainly have some interesting situations open up ... Reply
yacoub - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
With AA enabled, CrossFire performs similarly well. The 7800 GTX SLI beats it in Halflife 2 this time around (even though both parts are still essentially CPU limited),
So that would denote that AA "costs" more on the ATI setup than it does on the NVidia setup, right? Reply
DerekWilson - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkNot necessarily ...
The ATI could have performed better because of the way HL2's code runs on ATI hardware allows a higher maximum performance under similar CPU limitation. It could be a driver efficiency issue. It could be a number of things ...
It's too hard to make a statement about anything when we are bouncing hard off of CPU limited performance. Reply
yacoub - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkPlease re-word this caption so it makes more sense given the image (six boxes):
From left to right, 4xAA, 8xSLI AA/10xSuper AA, 16xSLI AA/14xSuperAA. ATI is the top row.
DerekWilson - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkthe commas seperate list items ... I describe 3 columns there and if ATI is the top row, NVIDIA must be the bottom ... 6 boxes ...
I'm not sure how to be more clear. If I can get a good suggestion, I'll certainly change the caption. Reply
davecason - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkhttp://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2541...">http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2541...
The word "us" should be "use" in this paragraph:
The CrossFire master card is basically an X850 XT with the addition of a Xilinx FPGA (for the compositing engine) and a TMDS receiver for taking input from the slave card. Instead of 2 DVI-D ports, the CrossFire master card makes us of a high speed DMS port. This connects to one port of the CrossFire dongle and takes the slave card input as well as providing the output to the monitor. Reply
JarredWalton - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkFixed. I think that was a minor edit by me where I fixed one error and created another. Hahaha.... Reply
Wesley Fink - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkWe will be posting an in-depth review of the ATI Crossfire AMD motherboard tomorrow. One thing no site has really talked about is what a great overclocker the ATI Crossfire AMD has become. The Reference Board has the best Enthusiast level options and controls I have EVER seen on a Reference Board, the overclocking performance is outstanding, and DFI promises they will deliver the same or better in the next few weeks in their own Crossfire AMD board.
Another unmentioned biggie for me is the fact that the Crossfire X850 Master Card works just fine as a standalone X850 graphics card. If you have to buy a Master Card for Crossfire I think it's important to know you can use it ALONE as an X850 card when the next hot generation graphics comes along - it's not just an investment you have to throw away.
Derek talks a bit about how the next generation graphics fixes some of his concerns about Crossfire as a TODAY purchase. His comments should make more sense in that light, and they will certainly be clearer in the next couple of weeks when X1800 launches. Just keep in mind that the same Crossfire AMD motherboard will be used with X1800 and that the motherboard also works great with an nVidia 7800GTX and any other single nVidia or ATI graphics card right now. Reply
michal1980 - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linki have to say nice numbers by ati, but
i mean who in the right mind is buying a 500 dollar x850 card, a 150-200 dollar mobo,
just to get crossfire, when in 1 week or so the x520 is supposd to come out. which by the way does not appear to have any menition of crossfire support. and while true you do not have to buy the same 2 cards for crossfire to work. the 2nd master card you buy costs you 100 bucks more. phhff. sorry. the whole sli/crossfire thing really doesn't make much sense unless you are always buying at the release of the tech. i.e. when the gtx gets released u buy 2.
but why would you buy into a crossfire setup now? when the next ati cards are coming out. if there similar to the nivida one. getting 2 x800s, is like roughly spending the money on 2 6600gts, when you could for the money buy the never, and overall better 1 card solution in a 7800gtx for the same money.
or a new x520, for the same money, i'd pass on getting old tech up to speed when new stuff is/will be here soon Reply
michal1980 - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkalso if u do compare the 6800ultra vs the x850, the only game the ati car wins in is in hl2. go figure, a game they basicaly wrote for there hardware with the help of gabe 'i will delay this game till ati is ready' Reply
DerekWilson - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkheh ... ATI was very unhappy with Valve's launch slip. They sank a lot of money into the HL2 bundle and launch efforts for a time frame that was a year before the game actually came along. Reply
waldo - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkSo, like most people on this forum, I read both here and at Tom's Hardware...and it is amazing to me the discrepancies in the writings of the articles. I was hoping you could clarify.
1. Are they just bought out by ATI, or are you guys just bought out by NVIDIA?
1a. The conclusions drawn seemed to be in the face of each other. You are dead set against, and they are seeming for ATI's crossfire. This isn't fashion, or poetry, or a film, where you just go by what you like. There are frame rates, quality of picture, etc....why are they so different?
2. It appears that the benchmarks on Tom's are slightly different in comparison to yours, in that it shows the X850 crossfire doing slightly better than the 7800 SLI configuration in several instances.
3. Tom's foxused more on the notion that you don't need two of the exact same card. Based on your article, it is your opinion that you go 7800 SLI, or single wiht hopes of 7800 SLI later, rather than x850 now, and then the addition of R520 later? It would be helpful to have some benchies of mixed card situations.
I realize that it seems attacking, and really I posted here because I like Anandtech better than Tom's but I respect both as the best resources on the net for technology reviews, but it just seems odd that the two top sites out there come down on completely different sides of the fence.
Thanks Reply
Frallan - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkTHG!
Well as it seems THG has in the last two year gone from beeing a "not-so-good" hardwaresite (please buy it back Thomas) to currently beeing a "outright-bought" hardwaresite. Just look at the major articles they have published the last year and U will see.
All IMHO oc. Reply
photoguy99 - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkTom's Hardware articles seem to be trending toward less interesting and less quality over time.
I still read it, but most of the time find I prefer the AnandTech version of similar subjects.
One thing that is terrible about Toms - why no direct link from articles to a discussion topic?
Not only does it make it easier to discuss, but I consider it a huge benefit the the AnandTech authors read and participate in the discussion of the articles.
DerekWilson - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkIs this not a discussion? :-) Reply
waldo - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkwow, that commment sure brought a lot of attention.
I would agree that Thom's appears to be "outright-bought" in this article as they don't post the limitation of hte card at 1600x1200 @ 60hz, or at least not as clear as Anand, but they do make some valid comments that Anand's article didn't post either.
Perhaps they are targeting different audiences? No idea, but why are their numbers on par with the 7800 SLI in many situations? That sounds fishy somewhere. Reply
DerekWilson - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkJust to cover what others haven't yet --
Adding an X8xx card to an R520 CrossFire card would either not perform well at all or would not work.
Personally, dual-GPU as an upgrade solution is not really a plus unless you are just deffereing purchase for a couple months while prices drop and your wallet heals from the first GPU purchase. If your personal upgrade cycle is a year or more, you'd be much better off just buying a new card from a new architecture.
Everyone else has pretty well hit it on the head. The 1600x1200 limit is a killer. We also have no availability and we are butted right up against the launch of ATIs next gen parts.
I wouldn't recommend SLI either -- as I said -- unless you want absolute maximum preformance. My recommendation may change to CrossFire after the R520 comes along. But who knows what the results of that comparison will be :-)
Mixed modes would perform slightly lower than the dual x850 xt setup and still at most 1600x1200@60 ... Yes, the X850 XT CrossFire does well in performance, but if I'm not going to recommend the X850 XT CrossFire, I'm certainly not going to recommend a mixed solution that will perform worse. Reply
waldo - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkI wasn't saying that you would recommend the other, but it would have been interesting for the readers (who attempt to be congiscent, autonomous beings, and only act at the whim and will of god Anand!) to be able to compare for themselves, per chance see what a mixed solution looks like as that is a selling point of ATI over Nvidia.
I don't think SLI from NVIDIA is much of a solution. If you have $1k to shell out for graphics out of the starting gate, great. But you have to get the same manufacturer, the same card, and then the motherboard to match. But I won't be buying an ATI Crossfire setup just yet either. Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkHere's my personal take:
1) If the 1600x1200@60 Hz problem doesn't bother you, that continue. For me, it's a deal-breaker.
2) Do you already own an X8xx card of some form?
3) Do you have a motherboard with two PCIe X16 slots?
4) Using the ATI Crossfire chipset?
If all of those are true, X800 Crossfire is worth consideration. Personally, 1, 3, and 4 eliminate it from contention. That said, this is current X8xx Crossfire we're looking at. We're not reviewing R520 Crossfire yet, and it will address at least the first point in some fashion. Reply
Brian23 - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkpwned Reply
fishbits - Monday, September 26, 2005 - link
realize that it seems attacking
Yeah, accusing a site of corruption could seem like an attack.
1600 res limited to 60 hz is a deal-breaker for me right away. I can't tolerate playing at 60 hz for any length of time. I'm not a snob about this, it makes me physically feel ill. Pairing two powerful and pricey cards in one system should offer better, easily. I would not plunk down that kind of money to not be able to play at 16x12 when others do it at liveable refresh rates. Nvidia has better price-to-performance single and dual card solutions available right now. ATI should have the same shortly. The mega AA sounds great, but if as soon as you turn it on you say "I need to upgrade now," then what's the point? While the reviewed Crossfire is certainly nice in performance, there's better to be had for the money from both GPU suppliers. It would be irresponsible to recommend it at this time at the current price.
Now if there's a confluence of specifics where this setup makes gaming and financial sense to a handful of people out there, more power to them, they should enjoy this. For the teaming masses of readers though, you shouldn't be suprised by the lack of recommendation. Reply
TrogdorJW - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkLOL... attack an enthusiast site? Say it isn't so!
How about the THG article? They review the platform as a whole, so that's a bit different. I won't comment much on their review, but consider a few points.
They have a page entitled, "Advantages Of CrossFire Over SLI" that reads like marketing hype, and yet they make no mention of the resolution limitation or "Advantages of SLI Over Crossfire". Clearly, they know the limitation exists - ATI hasn't tried to hide this fact, and the lack of any benches at higher than 1600x1200 is telling in and of itself. You do the rest of the math. (Also, some of the results are at best suspect.)
IMO, the writing of the THG article was a bit higher quality, but the content was far more suspect. They come off making everything sound rosey for ATI, and only a fool or a marketing department would believe that. ATI isn't dead yet by any means, but Crossfire is doing little for me right now. Did you realize that it's still not available for purchase at retail? Hmmmm.....
Oh yeah, Catalyst Control Center is pure garbage. Slow, clunky UI, memory hog, and causes as many problems as it fixes. Anyone that tries to tell me how great CCC is (i.e. THG) is immediately under suspicion. Reply
fishbits - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkOh, I wasn't making a blanket statement that a review site couldn't be accused of corruption. Just that if you're going to do it, don't then wuss out and pretend it's not an attack :)
My experience with THG is mostly second-hand, so I don't say much about it. That they chose to not mention the 16x12 refresh rate limitation, especially with all the debate over it before today, well... that's scandalous. Reply
erinlegault - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkThe TechReport review was the best. Anand seems to give poor Graphics reviews, and definately not up to par with their CPU, motherboard and memory reviews. It must be the authors differences of opinion. Reply
overclockingoodness - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkCould you clarify why Anand's video reviews suck? Just because Anand doesn't benchmark and show 100 diff. graphs of the cards based on the same architecture doesn't mean AnandTech's video reviews suck. TR is quite redundant from one article to another, if you didn't notice. Reply
erinlegault - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
CrossFire is limited to a peak resolution of 1600x1200 at a 60Hz refresh rate. CrossFire relies on the single-link DVI output of existing Radeon X800-family graphics cards, and that connection tops out at 1600x1200 at 60Hz.
Well because the 1600x1200@60Hz is only a limitation because of the existing x800 family of cards and not the x850 family and definately not Crossfire itself.
Pete - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 - linkIt's a limitation of the X8xx esries, as they all feature single-link TDMS transmitters, and so the Master cards have single-link TDMS receivers. They should be good for more than 16x12@72Hz, per DVI spec; hopefully future drivers will up this a bit.
Plus, didn't The Inq show a pic of 19x12@52Hz? Reply
vijay333 - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkValid points, don't see why some people are ranking this post down. Reply
Pete - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkI really like how concise and readable the first few pages are.
I do agree that comparing XF directly to the "2nd gen" SLI of the 7800 is a little unfair, but it's still potentially useful to some people, and you obviously left in XF's direct competitors, 6800 SLI and a single 7800. This does take the article in the 'too much info' direction, as opposed to the first few pages' 'just enough' method.
I have a few suggestions and corrections, if you don't mind.
* Perhaps you could elaborate on how XF will remove the res/refresh limitation with the R520 line-ups dual-link TDMS transmitters? This is appropriate in terms of the 7800 SLI comparison, although who knows when X1800 XF will show up.
* On that note, I've read elsewhere that SuperAA is so unbelievably slow because XF is actually using PCIe (bandwidth- and latency-limited) lanes and then the "master" GPU (for inter-GPU communication and then to composite the image, respectively), and not the dongle and CE (as with "normal" XF operation). This will supposedly be corrected in a future driver, but (IMO) it's as big a shortcoming (however temporary) as the (permanent, hardware-imposed) resolution limit. And I'm quite skeptical about future driver fixes, though it seems essential that ATI solve this one.
* p.6, you write "pre" instead of "per."
* p.7, "worth" instead of "worthy."
Will you be examining these issues at Ibiza, or will you have time before packing your sunscreen? :D
(And no, I'm not ignoring you, I'm just an incredibly slow and unimaginative thinker at times.) Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkI did mention that ATI's next gen part should remove the limitations of the single-link TMDS somewhere in there ... I am unable to go into detail at this time.
I'll have to follow up on the PCIe rather than TMDS angle. That would make some sense to me though. All the subsamples from a single pixel may need to be in the same framebuffer in order for ATI to perform proper AA on them. It may be that the gamma adjustment causes some problems with doing a straight blend between the two scenes. Of course, that's speculation about speculation, so I wouldn't put much stock in my musings :-) As I said though, I'll follow up on this.
I fixed my typos. Thanks.
Glad you liked the article. And where I'm going next sunscreen won't be of much use. :-(
Also, I didn't think you were ignoring me. I've actually been pretty busy myself lately, so I completely understand.
tfranzese - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkI'd appreciate it if all graphs had units attached. Numbers are certainly not good if they don't have units attached. Reply
OvErHeAtInG - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkIs it the mode scaling you're worried about?
From p 6: "Our graphs show frames per second on the y-axis and AA mode across the x-axis."
The rest of the sideways-historam-thingies show fps. That is pretty standard. Reply
OvErHeAtInG - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkI meant histogram, not historam. D'oh! And yes, I realize it's not really a histogram. Bar chart ? Ah! Who cares. Reply
OvErHeAtInG - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkOr watts for the wattage graphs. :) Reply
Stefan - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkShouldn't we be comparing the Crossfire to the 6800 Ultra SLI and not the 7800 GTX SLI?
I thought ATi's new X1800 Crossfire was going to be the 7800's counter. Or am I mistaken? Reply
Dangher - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkGood point. Why are comparing previous gen ATI to current gen nVidia? Reply
Pythias - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkGood point. Why are comparing previous gen ATI to current gen nVidia?
Previous gen? I can buy something better than an x850 xt pe from ati? Where? Reply
Dangher - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkForgot to add - when it even manages to beat GTX SLI in a benchie (something to think about, eh?) Reply
Live - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkCrossfire is compared to the 6800 Ultra SLI and more. More is better me thinks.
If they hadn't tested it against 7800GTX we would not have know that SLI got beat in HL2, now would we? I think the choice on which cards to test was great.
It's not ATs fault ATI didn't give them any newer cards to run. You will see those benches next week.
melgross - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkWith the first comparison images between the various levels of AA, I can see the straight picture to be badly stairstepped. The 4AA seems to correct pretty much all of the problems. I can't see a real improvement in any of the others.
I wonder how many will notice any of it in an actual game situation. Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkIt would be easier to show the advantages if I could show motion. Higher AA not only helps the stair steps, but it also helps keep objects that are well antialised in a single frame consistent across multiple frames of motion. Reply
Jojo7 - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkDerek, I've noticed something odd in the last few articles regarding splinter cell:chaos theory and the 6800u benchmarks. If you compare the results of 1600x1200 no aa and 1600x1200 4x aa, the performance hit for the 6800u is .1 of a frame? How is this possible? In my own experience, when I enable 4xaa on my 6800u for sc:ct, I notice no difference in image quality. Is this perhaps a driver problem? Reply
Jojo7 - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkErr. I made a mistake. Actually the scores are identical (40.2) with and without 4xAA.
Something has to be wrong here. Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkSomething is wrong there ... I'm removing the 6800 ultra numbers from sc3 -- thanks for pointing out the problem. Reply
erinlegault - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkWere you a little rush to get this article out of the door? Reply
DerekWilson - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkActually, we took our time. Copied a few numbers down incorrectly. Sorry about that. Reply
Googer - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkWhy hasn't anyone tested these on an nForec 4 motherboard yet? ATL Crossfire on a DFI SLI motherboard, will it work? Reply
OvErHeAtInG - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkUm, no. In the future, with different drivers? Who knows. But nvidia is unlikely to provide good nF4 drivers for people who are buying ATI cards? Reply
Live - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkHow is the total power draw calculated, before or after the PSU? Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkSorry I didn't explain -- I'll add the info
power draw is measured before the PSU -- so yes, the dissipated power of the supply itself is included. And I do know that power draw at the wall is not exactly linear with respect to power supplied to the computer. At the same time, watts pulled from the wall are what we pay for right? :-) Reply
Dangher - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkYou do realise that without proper homework you are just perpetuating sensationalism, right? The TMDS receiver has nothing to do with actual framerate or screen refresh, you do know that, right? You are aware that 1600x1200@60Hz in the TMDS translates into about 2500x1500@100Hz when doing SLI (or Crossfire, as is the case), right? Now go do your homework and correct the article (you're liable to be sued for libel by ATI btw). Reply
overclockingoodness - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkLOL, you are such an idiot. AnandTech can't be sued for libel; did you ever take business 101? Apparently not. Please keep your mouth shut on the things you have no clue about. Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linksorry m8, don't know where you got your info, but regaurdless of the fact that it is possible for the output to be run at a higher resolution than the TMDS receiver doesn't matter when the product manager of CrossFire at ATI states that the output of CrossFire will be locked to 1600x1200@60Hz *because* of the single link TMDS receiver.
I'm sorry if I didn't make it completely clear that ATI could decouple their output from the reciever but they have chosen not to. Reply
Pete - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkThe TDMS receiver is specced to the TDMS transmitter on the slave card, so it is indirectly tied to the screen refresh. I don't recall Derek saying it limits the frame rate, but obviously you can't see more frames than screen updates, so it can potentially limit the visible framerate, too. Yes, that applies to anything with a different frame than refresh rate, but XFire is fairly limited at 16x12@60Hz.
And, no, you don't double up TDMS rates with XF, as the CE (Compositing Engine) doesn't have a buffer to accomodate a refresh rate independent of TDMS rate (which is, again, limited to 16x12@60Hz). Reply
Dangher - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkIt is late and I can't be bothered to look for the techie article on this particular problem and why it's been blown out of proportion, but I will do it tomorrow and post a link here. My apologies to Derek if I offended him, it really is late. Link upcoming. Reply
Pete - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkDangher, you won't find an article to support your claims. It was speculated (in many a forum and possibly by Josh at Penstarsys) that AFR could double XF's single-link TDMS' refresh rate or resolution by interleaving frames, but that's been ruled out, as apparently the RAMDAC must run at the TDMS engine's rate, and the CE doesn't have buffer enough to support RAMDAC refresh rates indpendent of the TDMS engine.
So, I'd be surprised if you do.
And Derek won't be sued for libel unless he intentionally published false info. I'm sure much of his info came from ATI themselves, as well as hands-on experience (which shows a 16x12@60Hz limit across the review-site board). Reply
JarredWalton - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkI think there has been speculation about what could be done with additional low-level hardware and driver tweaks. For now, X8xx Crossfire does not appear to have any support for anything beyond 1600x1200@60 Hz. That's terrible, in my opinion. I have a 9 year old 21" CRT that can run 1600x1200@75Hz. Anyone that has the money to buy Crossfire is highly likely to have a better monitor than that. Meanwhile, my 2405FPW may only run at 60Hz, but lack of 1920x1200 output makes X850 Crossfire a definite no.
My only hope is that ATI has spent more effort on R520 Crossfire and will manage to support at least 2048x1536@85 Hz. That's about where top quality CRTs max out, and there are far more 22" CRT owners than Apple 30" Cinema Display owners. :| Reply
Fluppeteer - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - linkI'm surprised that any single-link resolution isn't possible (so a digitally driven
2405FPW ought to work), but it's clear that there's a problem with CRTs. The R520's
dual-link outputs would appear to solve the problem with reasonable headroom, coincidentally supporting dual link monitors.
Dangher's post *could* make sense - by interleaving pixels one could, in theory, take
two single-link images and produce a dual-link one. But the chips aren't really set
up to render like that - it's certainly not one of the announced Crossfire modes.
It would probably also be slower than the existing modes.
AFAIK there's very little intelligence in the CE (or in the SLi combiner) - the
chip not producing output for the relevant bit of screen just outputs black, and
the CE/SLi combiner just ORs the values from the two heads together. There's a bit
of genlock involved and the DVI receiver and transmitter, but the amount of actual
logic is tiny. Unless I'm wrong about how it works, but I don't see the need for
more (except for the multi-card antialiasing, which presumably needs some blending
support - I was a bit surprised that nVidia could retrofit this for that reason).
You could do all kinds of clever things if the SLi bridge/Crossfire connection
was actually a general-purpose high bandwidth link between the two cards, but to
the best of my knowledge, it's not: it's video only, so you're limited to what
the cards can drive on their digital video outputs when it comes to displaying
the result, and uneven splitting won't help you - it's the peak rate of output
which matters, not the average throughput.
On the plus side, with enough supersampling 1280x1024 on a CRT might not look
much worse than 1600x1200 with less...
Fluppeteer - Thursday, September 29, 2005 - linkI've belatedly picked up on something. Sorry if I'm being slow, but to confirm:
The multi-card supersampling mode... is the frame from the secondary card sent
over the PCI-e bus, rather than over the Crossfire link? If so, this would
explain a large performance drop as it's implemented, but also explain how
nVidia could implement the equivalent mode without having built blending
directly into their SLi combiner in the first place (and also suggest that
the Crossfire combiner doesn't need to be clever enough to blend). It might
alse explain why nVidia's implementation coincided with a bridgeless SLi
capability (once you've done the work in the driver...)
If they *do* this, there's no reason for it to be limited to 1600x1200 (or
single-link bandwidth), other than that the PCI-e bus will be limiting the
refresh at some point.
Just wondering, and curious whether I'm imagining it.
DerekWilson - Monday, September 26, 2005 - link:-)
I don't get offended easily. I'm certainly the first person who wants to know if I got something wrong. At the same time, it is my responsibility to get across the clearest way possible, so I'm also concerned when it doesn't seem that I have communicated the facts clearly enough.
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erinlegault - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkAll of the reviews I've been reading today on Crossfire have been saying the same thing. Can you tell us how they are all wrong? Reply
Leper Messiah - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkThe last table on the last page is missing, there's just a [table] tag. Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linksorry again ... I'll drop in in a second. Reply
Leper Messiah - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkIf this had been released 6 months ago, it would be good. Right now with one 7800GTX beating it in some benchies, and SLi GTs and GTX raping it, this just doesn't cut it. Hopefully ATi has something amazing with the R520, otherwise they are heading back to the days of pre-R300. Reply
sxr7171 - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkOkay, I don't get this. I'm running a 24" widescreen monitor at 1920x1200@60HZ using single link DVI. The limit for single-link DVI at 60HZ is said to be 2.6 megapixels which is quite a bit higher than 1600x1200. Reply
Questar - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkThat's because all the video card vendors allow higher resolutions be reducing the video blanking perioed. This gives the card more time to send data, resulting in a higher available resolution. Reply
Questar - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkCrossfire cards only use 5 watts of power! Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkagain ... I appologize ... I forgot to hit the update button after I entered in the power consumption.
idle: 150W
load: 326W Reply
MrSmurf - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkThat limited resolution and refresh rate is going to the achille's heal of Crossfire. Reply
bobsmith1492 - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkI'm assuming the article is brand new and yet to be fixed, but in case no one has noticed, the charts on page 4 show the crossfire consuming no power. While I'm sure that would be everyone's goal, I don't think it's right somehow. Reply
DerekWilson - Monday, September 26, 2005 - linkvery sorry -- forgot to hit update after I filled in the info Reply


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The notion of bring-your-own devices is common at most companies; according to research firm estimates, two-thirds to three-quarters of all companies now allow people to use their own mobile devices for work, meaning at least for email access. We should expect companies to allow the same for PCs, right?
Yes and no.
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Bring-your-own PCs have been around as long as there have been PCs -- aka the home computer. People have been taking work home with them (that's why all those lost USB sticks and CDs end up causing embarrassing breach notifications) and accessing email from home since the mid-1980s. That's BYOPC, even if it's been widely ignored in official IT circles.
But today's BYOPC means something else: employees buying their own PCs for use for work as well as for personal needs. Some organizations have been experimenting with that BYOPC notion for years, in fact. It's been driven mainly by executive-level employees who want to use a Mac, which few companies historically allowed outside of specific functions like marketing or development. Those initial exceptions sometimes translated into a more programmatic experiment.
Those experiments typically were about choosing your own PC from an approved list, as well as getting greater admin rights or flexibility, such as the ability to install your own software, often at the price of providing your own tech support. Many companies, especially tech firms like Cisco Systems, Intel, IBM, and BT, have adopted choose-your-own programs and provided flexibility in terms of personal software and usage for employees who travel a lot.
That approach to PC flexibility is likely to grow. But not strict BYOPC, says Chriz Hazelton, a mobile analyst at 451 Research. He notes several reasons why BYOPC is not a natural follow-on to BYOD.
PCs cost too much to expect most employees to bear the expense for work. Business-class laptops cost $1,000 or more, which is of a very different scale than the $200 to $300 for a smartphone, at least in the United States where nearly all smartphone are bought with carrier subsidies. iPads and other tablets cost between $500 and $800 for well-equipped models, closer to a laptop's price, but Hazelton notes that most BYO tablets used for work are bought primarily for personal access and the work capabilities are a convenience, not a necessity. He also notes that companies typically buy iPads directly for employees who need work tablets.
Management tools for hetereogeneous PCs aren't really up to snuff yet. Although a variety of vendors offers tools to manage PCs similar to how mobile devices are managed, Hazelton says they're not able to manage PCs at the level IT expects. He sees such products as placeholders for future capabilities, and he contrasts them with the widely used management tools designed to work with corporate-issued PCs that have standard images and applications, as well as known hardware configrations. Apple has updated OS X to use iOS's management APIs, which makes it easier to manage Macs, no matter who buys them, but that doesn't help manage BYO Windows PCs.
IT won't easily give up something it's managed and owned for two decades. Yes, the first PCs adopted by businesses in the mid-1980s were typically BYO, or at least departmental purchases. But by the 1990s, IT had taken over PC management and issuance at larger companies, and its retained that ownership since. "Computing overall is moving in the direction where the device doesn't matter, but current IT cares a lot about the platform today for security and management," Hazelton says.
Although BYOPC isn't likely to be as widespread as BYOD, Hazelton sees some areas where it makes sense:
- For organizations that use hoteling, where employees have no fixed office but instead sign up for a desk when at a company facility, and where the standard-issue computer is a thin client. Allowing BYOPC would make sense because, unlike thin clients, the PCs could be used for a mix of personal and work functions that mobile employees are reasonably gong to need to do.
- The same applies for employees who essentially live on the road because, again, work and personal are so intertwined.
- Organizations not yet comfortable with making Macs a standard option. They could allow BYO Macs, perhaps with a managed virtual machine running Windows for work functions.
In the meantime, BYOPC is likely to really mean "home PC."
This article, "BYOD? Sure! BYOPC? Not so fast...," was originally published at InfoWorld.com. Read more of Galen Gruman's Smart User blog. For the latest business technology news, follow InfoWorld.com on Twitter.

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" Brand: Tontarelli / Product Type: Bullet Bin "
We changed our decor in our kitchen recently and wanted a black bin to match the rest of the room. We found one of these bins from Tesco. The bin costs £11.97 which is quite a good price for a plastic bin.
We bought a black version of this bin, the main body is black and the bit where you put the rubbish through is silvery grey colour. The bin holds quite a bit of rubbish, it holds 45L which is more than you would have though would fit in this bin as it doesn't look so big. I seems to fit better in the gap we had our other bin in but it holds more rubbish. I think this is because of its rounded shape instead of being more square than the other bins of this kind.
We are using normal black rubbish sacks in the bin as being black anyway they don't look bad with the bit hanging out side. This makes it cheaper for us in the long run as we have to put black bags out for the rubbish men to take so we were using white bags in our old bin then rewrapping them in black ones before we put the rubbish out.
A good thing about this bin is the lid, it is easy for us to move it to put rubbish in but my dog is finding it harder to do, with out last bin he was always going down it pinching things out of the bin and sometimes knocking it all over the floor. The hole is smaller on this bin so he can't fit all his head in (he is a big dog lol), plus the way the lid goes makes it harder for him. The bin feels sturdier on the ground too being round so I don't think he would knock it over so easily anyway.
The lid fits on really nicely, once on it feels like it is secure on there and it holds the bag in place nicely too. When you have emptied the bin it is easy to wipe it out with a paper towel and a squirt of kitchen cleaner liquid. The lid bit is also easy to keep it clean.
I would recommend these bins if you are looking for a good quality plastic bin at a good price.
When I was trying to outfit my kitchen I needed to choose a good bin, and I chose to buy this one. But I have to say that the pricipal reason for this choice was obviously - Price. So I went and bought the Tontarelli Bullet Bin
It sells at Argos and most hardward stores like robert dyas for around £12 to £14, Its a long high based bulet bin with rounded top and holds 45 litres, so you dont need to empty it very much, unless its in the summer in which case you will need to probably empty your bin a bit more regularly in the summer...but in the winter this feature is great. The capacity is around three quarters of a black bin liner. leaving you enough capacity to collect up the ends and tie them off.
The lid
Other than the cylindrical shaped bin, the other main componant is the spherical top, or half sphere at least. It has a flip up lid on it thats on a kindve swing mechanism. As this lid isnt exactly the biggest in the world and does not cover the entire top of the bin like most flip ups it does make it slightly hard to put in bigger amounts of rubbish or food, and it tends to get over the sides, making the cleaning of this bin a more regular job then perhaps you would have to do. But it does afford one advantage, I have had full top flip bins in the past and when you have some nasty smells coming out of there when you flip it up its spreads nasty smells all over the kitchen...with this lid hat is no a problem. The lid is black in colour and so this can show up stains less easily then silver or white goods, but its still not ideal and the lip is ideal for grabbing the tops of bin bags
The base
The other componant is the base, which obviously makes up a capacity has a matt finish silvery grey colour and unfortunately this looks and reeks of cheapness, it just looks plasticy and badly put together and although this may be the cae, when you have it in your kitchen you dont want it to look like that. This unattracive finish is a real let down, and because it makes up the majority of this bin it brings the whole look down. It also marks and stains with bits of rubbish and food inside the base far too easily and although it has holes in the base to let running water through and so is easier to clean, its still a nasty job to carry out again and again.
We had a Tontarelli Bullet Bin for use as a kitchen bin. It was something we bought in haste and although it worked in the kitchen to a certain extent, it was something we were never 100% happy with and wouldn't buy again.
The Tontarelli Bullet Bin we had, came as an odd silvery plastic finished bin, that was both semi matt and more silver than grey at the same time. Ok, that may sound impossible, but its true, it was kind of matt, kind of silver.
The lid was the same odd silvery colour and stuck up like an ungainly camels hump on top of the cylindrical base, which became slightly narrower at the bottom. The shape of the bin, when compared to more recent bins we have bought seems to be a bit dated looking. Sleek is not a word I would ever use to describe the shape of the bin.
The opening flap bit which was set into the bulbous lid was always a pain. Even though it was made of black plastic that was ever so slightly textured, so made to not look dirty, it failed miserably. It was prone to becoming marked, stained, greasy, food splattered, etc, at the mere hint of you putting food waste into the bin.
I always resented the fact that we had chosen a bin that seemed to attract more dirt and scum on the outside than it did on the inside. Even the main body of the bin with its silly silvery plastic seemed to attract drips and spills like a magnet, well if a plastic bin can be magnetic!
Every time the bin was emptied the lid tended to fall off before we got chance to place it safely on a flat surface. We could never fill the bin to its full capacity as if we did so then the lid would end up being blocked and the contents would spill, when we tried to lift the bin liner to remove it. If you tried to over fill it, the only way to access the inside was to remove the lid, so all that space under the bulbous lid was completely wasted.
Thinking about how to rate the bin, leads me back to how we felt when we had to use the bin on a daily basis. Whilst the bin stood quite high and had the capacity to store almost a 3/4 full black bin liner full of rubbish within its depths, the lid always got in the way of that.
The bin was awkward to use, the finish was a bit gloomy and we honestly bought it more for the fact that it was well priced at £12 or so, rather than because it fitted our full requirements. Although we did have the bin for a long time before we kicked it to the curb it was not something I feel the need to recommend.
As a rating for the bin is required it gets 3 stars, there is nothing in the world that would induce me to buy this again, as it was awkward to use and seemed to end up dirtier than the rubbish we filled it with.
It isn't completely unattractive, but its not the best design and the silvery plastic finish looks very dated when compared to stainless steel bins we have had since then.
==Tontarelli Bullet Bin==
The Tontarelli 45 litre bullet bin I sold by Argos and costs a good price of £11.99 pence. It is about the third bullet type bin we have ever owned and I feel it is by far the best.
I remember way back to our very first bin which has a swing lid and was a long cube type shape. The bin probably cost around the same sort of price as this one here, and looked okay. However the main draw back was the general design of the thing which was totally wrong. The swing lid of the bin meant that the rubbish could not be piled into the bin easily and it would only allow for filling of below the lid otherwise the swing action would not work.
There is no such problem with this Tontarelli bin as the lid is a pull up one which tucks neatly back into the top bullet shape of the static part of thelid. This allows for ultimate filling and is a far better design.
The second problem with our first bin was the small capacity of the thing as it held around 25 to 30 litres of rubbish. This is literally rubbish and we were having to empty the thing on a far more regular basis than we empty our Tontarelli 45 litre Bullet bin. The large 45 litre capacity is wonderful and really does hold a good 4 or 5 days worth of total household rubbish, meaning less bin nags used and less trips out to the "Bin Hole".
Our second household kitchen bin was a stainless steel one which had around a 35 litre capacity and a foot operated lid. This was a vast improvement on the first bin as it looked better, held more and had a better operating system. It still had its draw back though as far as I was concerned. The stainless steel element to the bin meant that it seemed to attract the dirt and needed polishing on literally a daily basis to keep up its nice appearance. This was of course always done by me as Himself wouldn't worry about such important things as polishing the bin!
This Tontarelli bin however is made from a silver plastic which still has a very smart look to it, although perhaps not as fancy as stainless steel but nonetheless fitting with the other silver appliances. Although of course I do clean this regularly I don't feel it needs the time and attention that polishing a stainless steel bin did.
Another draw back of the old stainless steel bin was the capacity of the bin as although it was better than our first still seemed to get filled up quicker than the Tontarelli one due to its taller and slimmer design. Plus I always felt that the bin bags never fit it as well as they might and was always faced with the dilemma of either having to tuck the bin bag literally inside the bin and run the risk of getting bean juice or the like on the top of the bag, or having it poking out and it taking away some of the attractiveness of the stainless steel bin.
Now to our current bin the Tontarelli 45 litre Bullet Bin. It has everything anyone would really want of a bin and for a really reasonable price. The look of the bin is something that I really can't fault as it fits seamlessly into our kitchen as the black lid section and the grey/silver lid and matching bin works wither the other items in the kitchen.
The large 45 litre capacity is really a perfect size and can last days without needing to be emptied which is good going considering that there are three of us creating daily refuse and that this is the main bin used in the flat.
The design of the bin is spot on too as not only does the bullet shape of the lid make way for that little bit of extra rubbish to be pushed down within the bin bag, but is also has a little lip all the way around the top of the bin, under the lid, where the excess of the bin bag can up tucked up and under to hide away the edges of the bag. Therefore the bag inside the bin is securely in place and no bean juice will get on to the areas of the bag which will be pulled together to tie up. This means that the look of the bin is still kept neat and tidy too!
Cleaning the bin is easy as the smooth plastic is easily sponged down and it also takes to being sprayed with kitchen cleaner well.
Although our other bins were part of our past, this Tontarelli Bullet bin has easily replaced them and in a much better fashion. I really hope we don't' need another bin for a long time but by chance this bin gets old and tired, I know that I will replace it with a younger version of the Tontarelli!
A great bin!
5 out of 5 star rating and an exceptionally high recommendation!
Many thanks for taking the time to read.
I do hope that this has been of some help/interest to you bin lovers out there!
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A remorseful Brian Agar apologized in court this week to the family of the woman he killed as he innocently turned his school bus onto Portage Avenue two years ago, trapping her under its wheels.
"I'm very, very sorry for their loss, for their stress, for their anguish that I have caused them," the 68-year-old Ager told provincial court Judge Marvin Garfinkel. "And I hope that someday they can find it in their hearts to forgive me."
Garfinkel fined Agar $1,800 and suspended him from driving for two years in connection to the Dec. 20, 2010 death of Gittel Goertzen. He pleaded guilty to careless driving causing death under the Highway Traffic Act.
Goertzen, 67 at the time of her death, was crossing Portage Avenue at Sherbrook Street, walking to the north side of Portage, when she was knocked to the pavement by the front-passenger-side bumper of the bus Agar was driving.
Court was told Agar, turning east on Portage from Sherbrook, never saw Goertzen due to a blind spot.
As he continued, the bus's wheels drove over Goertzen. She was rushed to hospital, but later died. There were no passengers on the bus.
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On the corner of Ninita Street and St. Francis Drive is CG Higgins Confections—a veritable Taj Mahal of sweets, of which proprietor and namesake Chuck Higgins is the maharaja.
His ingredients, Higgins says, are top-shelf ("I don't use anything I can't pronounce") and his technique, second to none. The brittle's hand-stretched, the fudge is made from scratch and his truffles—with flavors that range from raspberry chipotle to blue cheese—have a cult following.
With pride in his eyes, the man behind the ever-popular Chuck's Nuts booth at the New Mexico State Fair says the latest addition to the brood—almond toffee—has been "a huge success."
He hopes his next venture proves to be as ambrosial.
On Tuesday, Jan. 15, at 11 am—"One hour before the Governor gives her state of the state address"—Higgins will announce his run for lieutenant governor in the 2014 election's Democratic ticket.
Higgins plans to make the formal announcement outside the southeast end of the Roundhouse with his husband Donald by his side.
"I expect the gay marriage thing to be a factor," Higgins says. "[It's] a facet of who I am, but I'm not using that as a centerpiece of the campaign," the confectioner, who originally registered before the state's exploratory committee a couple of months back with his eye on the Governor seat, says.
"It's better fit for me," he says of the revised position.
Along with "brushing up" on his Robert's Rules of Order, Higgins studied the lieutenant governor's website to make sure he was up for the job. According to it, his constitutional and statutory duties will include serving as "President of the New Mexico Senate" and "Acting Governor when Governor Susana Martinez is out of the state."
Just because there's a list there doesn't mean I have to stop there," he says. "There are other issues I can pick up and lead the charge on."
Not one to sugarcoat the issues, Higgins—who first showed inklings of entrepreneurship at age 8, when he sold nightcrawlers to fisherman in his Iowa hometown of 200 inhabitants—hopes his efforts and "Midwest work ethic" will pull New Mexico from its close-to-last-place rank it currently holds in things like education and employment.
Aware of the low blows the politics game brings with it, Higgins also has choice words lined up, should opponents choose to bring up his involvement in the leather community.
"It's only negative if you look at it as a negative," the former Arkansas Mr. Leather says. "What I do in my personal erotic life is my business, and if that [is] to be brought to the table for discussion, then I think that it's fair to start asking people in office—like the governor—'So, tell us about your sex life?'"
The 64-year-old says he'll draw on the positive lessons he's learned from the leather world, such as mutual trust and respect, and opt to focus his energy on his course of action—which includes a statewide series of sit-downs he's dubbed "Chats with Chuck."
"It's more of a listening tour than a telling-people-what-to-do tour," he says.
Higgins also plans to arrive at each salon bearing a tray of homemade fudge. "It'll be my trademark," he says—and it bears unique symbolism.
"When it comes to candy, if it can be done better, I'll do it. It's the same in politics," Higgins explains.
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Why would you be allowed to do that ? People like you don't deserve to make wikia's if your just going to steal other's content --speysider (talk) 17:51, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
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The Raiders used a 9-0 run to turn a 7-5 deficit into a 14-7 advantage, and then never looked back.
"Their length in their 1-3-1 caused us a lot of problems," noted Buckeye Central head coach Phil Loy. "It's not something we see on a regular basis, especially one with that kind of length. It's hard to simulate that in practice."
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The Raiders picked up two more Ethan Linder buckets early in the second quarter to widen the margin to 26-12.
After the Bucks trimmed the deficit to 26-15, a basket by Corbin Linder along with a bucket and a free throw from Ethan Linder pushed the margin to 31-15.
The two squads played even for the rest of the first half, with Corbin Linder hitting a deep trey just before halftime to give Wayne Trace a 44-28 advantage at the intermission.
"We were able to get a couple of big shots at the end of the quarters," continued the elder Linder. "Those are momentum shots."
Buckeye Central made its final run in the third quarter. They scored five points in the first 46 seconds and added a Sam Robertson basket to pull within 44-35.
Following an Ethan Linder bucket, a trey by Buckeye Central's Austin Wurm pulled the Bucks within 46-38. However, Wayne Trace would answer.
Corbin Linder picked up an old-fashioned three-point play and Ethan Linder picked up a bucket for a 51-38 advantage.
"We came out in the second half and did a better job of attacking them," Loy continued. "I thought the first half we didn't make good decisions at times and they made us pay for that. In the third quarter, we did a better job of taking the ball at them."
"They were able to get some looks against us in the third quarter so we switched to more of a 2-3 zone and that seemed to cause them some confusion," Jim Linder stated.
Buckeye Central pulled back within 53-44 after a three-point play by Seth Ollis, but the Bucks would get no closer.
Wayne Trace scored the final seven points of the stanza, getting an Ethan Linder trey at the third quarter buzzer to push the margin to 60-44.
The Raiders then sealed any doubt by scoring the first eight points of the final period before eventually settling on the 80-51 win.
"We shot the ball better tonight than we have been," the Raider coach added. "We got some good looks early and I think it relaxed us a little bit. We got contributions from a lot of players tonight, even though sometimes it doesn't show up in the box score. It was a good team win."
Devin Wenzlick added seven points and five rebounds for the Raiders with Colby Speice and Corbin Linder also recording five boards. Speice posted seven assists and seven steals as well for Wayne Trace with Luke Miller dishing out four assists. Corbin Linder added three assists and five steals while Ethan Linder dished out three assists as well.
Cade Kaple led the Bucks (23-3) with 21 points, and Austin Wurm chipped in 15. Kaple also had seven rebounds for Buckeye Central followed by Wurm with six.
Wayne Trace was 29 of 50 from the field (58 percent) compared to Buckeye Central's 17 of 48 (35 percent). The Raiders won the battle of the boards 30-29 and also committed fewer turnovers, 14-20.
The Raiders, who move to 23-3, now advance to play Crestview (26-0) in the regional championship at 7 p.m. Friday.
Score by quarters
Wayne Trace 22 22 16 20 - 80
Buckeye Central 9 19 16 7 - 51
Wayne Trace (80)
Corbin Linder 32, Ethan Linder 30, Wenzlick 7, Wobler 3, Miller 2, Glass 2, Colby Speice 2, Arend, 0, Sinn, 0, Blackmore 0, Justin Speice 0
Buckeye Central (51)
Kaple 21, Austin Wurm 15, Heydinger 2, Stone Wurm 1, Robertson 2, Loy 5, Ollis 5
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Nationwide, 2 million homes sit vacant. Home sales are at a nine-year low. Former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers says that housing finance has not been this bad since the Depression. We still don't know the full extent of the colossal subprime rip-off, but a recent Bank of America study did some guesstimating on the scale of the consequences of the "credit crisis." The meltdown in the US subprime real estate market, the bank said, had led to a global loss of $7.7 trillion dollars in stock market value since October.
While many eyes are focusing on the housing meltdown and its hugely negative effect on an economy clearly moving into recession, few are paying attention to the next bubble expected to burst: credit cards. Combined with the subprime losses, such a credit card nightmare has the potential, experts say, of bringing down the entire financial system and global economy. You and your credit card have become key players in the highly unstable financial crunch. Mortgage lender cupidity and bank credit card greed wedded to financial institution deregulation, supported by both political parties, have been made manifestly worse by Bush administration support-the-rich policies. It has brought us to a brink not seen since just before the Great Depression.
While campaigning in Edinburg, Texas, in February, Barack Obama met with students at the University of Texas-Pan American. "Just be careful about those credit cards, all right? Don't eat out as much," he said. After the foreclosure crisis, he warned, "the credit cards are next in line."
The coupling of home equity debt and credit card debt has gone hand in glove for years. The homeowners at risk can no longer use their homes as ATM machines, thanks to their prior re-financings and equity loans, often used in the past to pay off their credit cards. Indeed, homeowners cashed out $1.2 trillion from their home equity from 2002 to 2007 to pay down credit card debts and to cover other costs of living, according to the public policy research organization Demos.
To compound the problem, fewer people are paying their credit card bills on time. And, to flip the old paradigm, more are using high-interest credit card cash to pay at least part of their mortgages instead of the other way around.
The credit card industry (Visa, MasterCard, American Express, etc.) and the 10 banks that dominate the industry as the primary card issuers, spend an estimated $2 billion a year in endless marketing worldwide. We are all bombarded with their solicitations and sales tie-ins and gimmicks. They know that they might only have a 2 to 3 percent return rate, but that more than pays the enormous costs. They have thus succeeded in supplying 1.5 billion cards to 158 million US card holders. That averages to 10 cards per person. In the last few years, retailers, banks, a wide range of companies, sports teams, unions and even universities have launched specialized card programs. Like the car companies that discovered that they made more money on car loans than automobiles, the benefits of what's been called "financialization" is obvious to more business sectors.
Credit card advertising for new card holders is especially effective now as inflation drives costs up and consumers have less to spend. "Charging it" on yet another new credit card is for many the only option to meet their budgets or maintain their lifestyles, especially as gas prices rise. It's become habit for many to spend more than they have. As a result, overall US credit card debt grew by 435 percent from 2002 to year-end 2007, from $211 billion to approximately $915 billion.
The relentless, continuing push by the credit card banks doesn't target potential customers alone. Constant focus group studies and other research techniques are still being used to persuade retailers to encourage more credit card transactions. Increasingly, businesses simplify their use by "swiping" and other gimmicks, no signed receipt needed.
"More and more sectors of the American economy recognize that their financial success is based on the success of the credit card industry," Robert Manning, the author of the definitive Credit Card Nation and a leading expert who has been sounding the alarm about the consequences of credit card debt, says.
"Everything is very clearly thought out and premeditated. Whether it's having conferences and think tank sessions about how to encourage people to accept more debt [or] to work with merchants—for example, to persuade merchants with empirical information that…if customers use a credit card that they'll buy 20 to 25 percent more."
Manning notes that saving and thrift was historically a positive value in the US. As recently as the 1980s, the national savings rate was 10 to 11 percent. Since 2005, Americans have saved less than 1 percent of their disposable incomes. In fact, the most recent figures from March show that the savings rate is negative, below zero. And also in March the government reported that for the first time since the Depression, Americans owe more on their homes than they have in equity. Essentially, on average, America is broke and its credit cards played a dominant role in getting there.
Manning, who teaches at Rochester Institute of Technology, has taken on the issue with original research and financial literacy courses for students. He found that many of his students already had credit cards before they arrived on campus, some for years.
As we all know, the companies don't tell about the downside when they are seducing customers. They offer low introductory or teaser rates, in the same way that mortgage brokers enticed sub-prime customers. They offer rewards, frequent flyer miles and other prizes. Students are especially targeted because they have little real-world financial experience. The US Public Interest Research Group, which is campaigning against student debt, says the average is $4,000 per student, but it easily climbs after four years to $15,000 to $20,000.


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Earth Day is celebrated on April 22 by more than 175 countries, so a picnic to celebrate earth's big day would have a pretty lengthy guest list. But it's the Earth, after all, so it deserves it. What better way to celebrate the planet than with the world's biggest picnic?
That's just what The Nature Conservancy is planning this year with Picnic for the Planet, and you're invited to join. All you have to do is throw a picnic, outside, somewhere in the world, sometime on April 22 (get all the rules before you pack your picnic basket). To make sure your picnic's got the best food and is best for the earth, our test kitchens teamed up with The Nature Conservancy to come up with some picnic-packing guidelines.
Before You Even Think About the Menu, Think About Where You'll Have Your Picnic
It's Earth Day, so think a little green. Don't pick a picnic spot 50 miles away and drive an SUV there. Choose a picnic site close to home, and walk or bike to your picnic location instead of driving.
The quickest way to ruin a picnic is to invite swarms of insects. Keep that in mind when you're looking for a spot to spread your picnic blanket. While that pond might look scenic, it will also be a hotspot for bugs. Be sure to stay away from garbage cans, standing water, blooming flowers or low-lying vegetation.
The Food Is Key — Pack it Right
Use re-usable serveware instead of paper plates and disposable utensils, or if that's not possible — say you've invited 60 people and don't have that many forks — buy compostable plates and silverware.
To ensure that your cold food stays cold, keep it separate from your beverages in two coolers. The beverage cooler gets opened constantly, raising the temperature inside.
Don't be afraid to completely load up your coolers; the more fully packed, the colder they'll stay. Low on ice or ice packs? Use frozen water bottles for a double-duty chiller.
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Soggy sandwiches are the worst, don't let them happen to you. Pack your bread separately from your wet ingredients (like tomatoes), and assemble your sandwich at the picnic site.
No one finds the thought of mayo sitting in the hot sun appetizing. For alternatives to mayo-centric dishes, try a German potato salad dressed with cider vinegar, bacon and parsley, or a pasta salad with lemon juice, olive oil and plenty of vegetables.
Improve your potato salad with this simple step: Dress the potatoes while they're still warm. Let your warm potatoes sit in the dressing for a few minutes to fully absorb all the flavor; you'll be amazed by how much better your potatoes taste.
Cold soups like gazpacho or chilled avocado soup make a wonderful addition to a picnic. Packed in a thermos, they're easy to carry and keep cool for a long time.
You want plenty of vegetables on the menu — they're good for you and seem a nice way to honor the earth — but stay away from delicate, wilt-prone leafy salads. Opt instead for a sturdier shredded salad or slaw, which maintains crunch and improves with time, or try marinated grilled vegetables.
As idyllic as a good apple or blueberry pie might seem for an afternoon picnic, a sweet, gooey dessert is a prime way to attract bees. Go for less messy desserts, such as cookies, bars or fruit salad with fresh mint.
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A good picnicker is one that doesn't leave trash at his picnic site. A great picnicker is one who picks up trash found at a picnic site. Use the picnic as an opportunity to make your local green space just a little greener. So bring garbage bags along for your own trash, and if you see a discarded Doritos bag left behind by a less responsible picnicker, don't ignore it.
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Teresa Noreen
Teresa Noreen is an actress and a model who has appeared in Maxim, Playboy and on the big screen.
AppealAny woman who has appeared in the nude is a star in our eyes, especially if she makes it to the likes of Hugh Hefner's Playboy. And given Teresa Noreen is an ex-military gal... well, let's just say the girl would even be smokin' in fatigues.
However, we hate to break it to you, but Teresa Noreen is happily married and no longer on the market. That doesn't mean you still can't look (or gawk, whichever you prefer).
SuccessWe love Teresa Noreen, which is why we hate to rate her so low on her success. However, with acting roles like "Bikini Party Girl" and "Ring Girl #1," we can't exactly give her huge points for her acting resume. We did give her some bonus points for branching out into modeling, though, and her gigs with Maxim and Playboy are still pretty impressive.
Teresa Noreen BiographyTeresa Noreen was born on December 22, 1976, in Spokane, Washington. She was one of five girls. She went to college to study architecture and accounting, first at Washington State University and then at Spokane Falls Community College. However, during her sophomore year, she decided to join the U.S. Air Force instead, serving till 2001, when she received an honorable discharge. She then moved to Georgia to continue pursuing a career in entertainment.
teresa noreen in the quest for antoniaIn 2005, Teresa Noreen entered a contest to become the spokesmodel for the role-playing game Everquest II. Although she didn't ultimately win the contest, she was such a fan-favorite that supporters of Teresa Noreen created a website for her. The public attention she received via the fan website shone a new light on Teresa Noreen's career, and she began to take advantage of the online exposure by redesigning her website and gaining fans through her MySpace profile.
teresa noreen in maxim and playboyThe following year, Teresa Noreen aggressively pursued modeling and was featured in Playboy and Maxim, as well as in numerous calendars. She got a gig hosting Stone Cold TV in Atlanta and starred in a flick that premiered at the 2006 Howard Stern Film Festival. The work didn't stop there -- in June '06, Teresa Noreen went on to have her first magazine feature printed in Penthouse (as a non-nude spread). Then, her first cover followed -- she was splashed across the front of the March 2006 issue of Street Trenz Magazine. A special feature in American Curves was next for the budding model.
teresa noreen in american asian serial killerIn between her modeling jobs, Teresa Noreen was also busy building her acting resume. In 2007, she appeared in an episode of the dramatic TV show Cane, with Jimmy Smits, Hector Elizondo and Rita Moreno. She worked on the '08 movie The Red Canvas, costarring Maria Conchita Alonso, and had an uncredited role in The House Bunny, with Anna Faris. Look for her in '09 in the flick American Asian Serial Killer.
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CRADLEY skipper Paul Starke insists the hard work is about to start for his side.
Heathens currently top the National League table after a hard fought win at Buxton on Sunday – but Starke says they've had an easy run of fixtures to date.
Cradley go to Kent on Monday without three key riders due to fixtures clashes – and the next home meeting is against the in-form Coventry Storm on Tuesday, July 22 at Monmore.
They will also be without Steve Worrall, one of the top riders in British racing right now, for the visit of arch rivals Mildenhall on August 12 as he is racing for Premier League Edinburgh.
Said Starke: "With all due respect to the guys at Buxton and Scunthorpe, they are the weaker teams in the league and the hard work starts now for us.
"We are moving into the second half of the National League season and it's going to be a tough run-in and I expect some pretty hard racing at Monmore which will be in contrast with what we've seen so far.
"We've just got to keep it going. We're in a great position in the league and we're through to the next round of the Knockout Cup at the expense of Mildenhall. So far, so good!"
Meanwhile the countdown is on to the showpiece FAST Golden Hammer at Monmore on Tuesday, July 29.
The event, which promotes Dudley Stroke Association and their Face, Arm, Speech, Time (FAST) message to recognise symptoms of stroke, is set to pull in a bumper crowd.
Reigning champion Lewis Blackbird, a hero of last season's Heathens title winning team, will return to defend his crown along with former champions Kyle Newman and Simon Lambert.
And Ashley Birks, who has hit out at British Speedway chiefs for not giving him a chance at Elite League level, has also been handed a place in the field.
Heathens stars Steve Worrall, Tom Perry, Max Clegg, Matt Williamson, Nathan Greaves and Danny Phillips are also in the field with Worrall in particular one of the favourites.
The event features 16 riders over 20 heats with normal admission prices - £11 adults, £8 concessions and £2 children with a special souvenir programme for £3.
Just 48-hours before that, Heathens legend Billy Hamill will appear at Brierley Hill's Copthorne Hotel for 'An evening with Billy Hamill and Friends' – tickets are £10 from the Cradley shop or online cradleyheathens.co and co to the website shop.
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Response Goes Wide as Cholera Cases Rise in South Sudan's Capital
Cholera, one of the most dangerous bacterial diseases that is often contracted from contaminated water, continues to spread in Juba, the capital city of South Sudan. Since the beginning of the outbreak, there have been 960 cases diagnosed and 27 deaths, a startling increase from just two weeks ago. There are many risk factors for contracting cholera including drinking water from unsafe sources, a lack of safe waste disposal systems, consuming contaminated food or drinks at roadside stands and makeshift markets, and not practicing basic hygiene like washing hands before handling food. Although there is little evidence pointing to the primary origin of the outbreak, the Nile River, which flows through the heart of the city, is a major factor in the spread of the disease.
Working with the Juba City Council and other humanitarian organizations, we will be intervening in one of the most affected areas in Juba this week. Our Water, Sanitation, and Hygiene (WaSH) response plan for the cholera outbreak has been developed from years of experience and evaluation to ensure that we are tackling this issue as effectively and efficiently as possible. Action Against Hunger is currently working with partner organizations to implement a targeted approach of response, which we believe is the most efficient at this stage of the outbreak.
"While Juba has changed over the last three years, its infrastructure has not developed in proportion to its growing population's basic needs. Rural areas are now some of the most populated areas, with new risk factors we must account for."
—Chiara Saccardi, Team Leader, Action Against Hunger Emergency Response Team, in Juba
We are ensuring that local health groups have the capacity to take care of incoming patients, and we are organizing community-wide hygiene trainings and hygiene-kit distributions to help stop the spread of the disease. These immediate actions along with constructing water purification systems, hand washing stations, fixing broken hand pumps and providing communities with access to safe water all play a role in our response.
Although South Sudan is the youngest nation in the world, it's important to remember that Action Against Hunger has been working here for over 20 years. Our cholera emergency team is working in coordination with UNICEF and other humanitarian organizations to contain the outbreak in Juba, while we continue our longstanding programs to treat malnourished children, provide clean water and sanitation solutions, and address food security issues in other parts of the country. Our expertise is what makes us one of the most effective humanitarian organizations in the world, and we are dedicated to helping the people of South Sudan now and moving forward.
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You exercise your body to stay physically in shape, so why shouldn't you exercise your brain to stay mentally fit? With these daily exercises you will learn how to flex your mind, improve your creativity and boost your memory. As with any exercise, repetition is necessary for you to see improvement, so pick your favorite exercises from our daily suggestions and repeat them as desired. Try to do some mentalrobics every single day!
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Global shares were little changed after a surprisingly strong US jobs report for November was tempered by a drop in American consumer sentiment.
The dollar edged up though the currency was off its highs as investors parsed the details of the labor market report, one of the most closely watched economic indicators.
US nonfarm employment increased by 146,000 jobs last month, data showed, defying expectations of a sharp pull-back related to superstorm Sandy that hit the US Northeast in late October.
"The gain was sharper than expected, particularly in light of the hurricane, so certainly something that was a pleasant surprise. We'll take it," said Gordon Charlop, managing director at Rosenblatt Securities in New York.
"We will just have to see overall how much of an effect one number can have on what is really a market that is pointing toward Washington and 'fiscal cliff' negotiations," he said.
Uncertainty over whether US lawmakers will agree on a deal to avert spending cuts and tax increases was likely to continue to keep investors on edge. Any signs of how the talks are progressing could cause more fluctuations in the markets.
Republican House Speaker John Boehner accused US President Barack Obama of pushing the country toward the fiscal cliff and of wasting another week without progress in talks.
Wall Street was mixed by the early afternoon after data showed anxiety over the pending higher taxes likely soured consumers' attitudes in early December.
"While it is just one measure of consumer sentiment, maybe the constant barrage of back and forth in DC with no resolution yet is having an impact," said Peter Boockvar, managing director at Miller Tabak & Co in New York.
The Nasdaq fared worse than the other major indexes, weighed again by shares of Apple, which were down 2.79 per cent at $US532.00.
The Dow Jones industrial average gained 56.94 points, or 0.44 per cent, to 13,130.98. The Standard & Poor's 500 Index added 1.54 points, or 0.11 per cent, to 1,415.48. The Nasdaq Composite Index dropped 15.99 points, or 0.54 per cent, to 2,973.27.
The FTSEurofirst 300 index of top European shares ended up 0.1 per cent and the MSCI world equity index also edged up 0.1 per cent.
The dollar soared to session peaks immediately following the jobs data, but the momentum faded through the day. The dollar index was up 0.2 per cent.
The euro fell to a session low of $US1.2878 on Reuters data, matching the low set on Nov. 28. It was last down at $US1.2932, having trimmed earlier losses, with traders citing a Market News International report that senior European Central Bank Executive Board members opposed a rate cut supported by the majority at the ECB's most recent policy meeting earlier in the week.
But the euro remained under pressure after Germany's central bank cut its growth outlook and pointed to risks of a recession as the three-year-old debt crisis takes its toll on the region's largest economy.
The benchmark 10-year US Treasury note was down 11/32, the yield at 1.63 per cent.