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Qualcomm Snapdragon 805 Performance Previewby Anand Lal Shimpi on 5/21/2014 8:00 PM EST
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B.Jay - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkToo bad it seems like the LG G3 might not have this beast... So close LG, so close! Reply
erikiksaz - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkI wonder what the scrolling performance will be like on the G3 given its resolution and "just" having an 801 chip. I feel like scrolling performance is finally good with the 1080p and the latest generation of processors, but are we going backwards in performance with the leap to 4k? Reply
Impulses - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkStill dunno why they're pushing for even higher DPI on phones, seems almost absurd at this point. Reply
piroroadkill - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkBecause people are very, very simple in the head and think bigger numbers are better. Reply
Frenetic Pony - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - link"Now assembled by 100% more unpaid Chinese interns!" Reply
Vayra - Monday, June 02, 2014 - linkHigh DPI phones will hopefully die a silent and quick death. Even 1080p is overkill for me on any screen smaller than 5 inch, and staying at 720p at that size is great for battery life... Reply
Teo222 - Thursday, June 05, 2014 - linkI don't know man. The difference in pushing and power consumption and price between 720p and 1080p is not that much to deter from the noticeably better quality.
Say what you will but I (with my less than perfect vision) can still see pixelation at battery indicators or other small elements. Not to mention native full HD content should you wish it. and obviously SOCs today able to cope with 1080p. Reply
Sabresiberian - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkI'm not sure why some people spend as much effort deriding the push for higher pixel densities as they do. Most of it sounds more like sneering for the sake of sneering than having an actual point to make, to me (I'm not saying I know that to be the case here). One should at least make the effort to differentiate himself from the person telling us we should not try to improve the quality of what we see by reaching for more than 60 DPI not all that long ago, because that was "good enough".
Human vision isn't the simple mechanism some people think it is. Research has shown a density of over 600 DPI can be useful. I tend to agree that there are other ways to make smart phones better at this point, and it's hard for me to imagine that I would be able to see any benefit beyond 300 DPI personally, but I'm not against increasing the ability of our technology to do more than we can use. Perhaps the technology will lead to improvements in other areas, like responsiveness, or fluidity. Seems to me that giving designing engineers all the power they could possibly use can't be a bad thing. :) Reply
Egg - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkIncreased power draw, cost, performance issues. Reply
Frenetic Pony - Saturday, May 24, 2014 - linkHey looks reasons! Reply
evonitzer - Friday, May 23, 2014 - link+1 -- I amazed how quickly people have tired of smartphone innovation. Bring on the pixels! I'm still young(ish) and can resolve details quite well. I'm hoping for magazine level smoothness with no blockiness. Reply
lmcd - Friday, June 20, 2014 - link...which is why we need color accuracy and gamut, a greater range of brightness settings, better refresh rates, and less ghosting and less burn-in.
But not higher pixel density. Reply
YouInspireMe - Saturday, May 24, 2014 - linkBecause if they have to be able to drive BIG displays with the phone they may as well be able to brag about being able to do it ON the phone. And everyone will eventually have to be able to drive BIG screens OFF the phone. Reply
pjcamp - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkScrolling performance on my old Galaxy S3 became perfectly snappy -- as soon as I ditched Touchwiz. All these stupid skins are the limiting factor, and there's really no purpose for them any more other than product differentiation. Reply
metayoshi - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkYup. That Snapdragon S4 was more than good enough for basic AOSP Android. TouchWiz really killed the performance on that thing. I mean, I know more people with a Nexus 4 than a Nexus 5, simply because the S4 Pro is good enough to run Google's Android. I personally have a Nexus 5 because it's compatible with Sprint, and should have Triband with the whenever-it-comes 4.4.3 update. I used to upgrade my phone every time I had the chance, but I actually don't think I'll be upgrading as long as my Nexus 5 is in good working condition. SoC improvements aren't really that exciting for me anymore. Reply
Babar Javied - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkI am in the same boat. I upgraded to the Nexus 5 from the Galaxy Nexus since it was getting old. I don't see myself upgrading anytime soon. Not only is the SoC more than enough to handle what I want, it has plenty of RAM and the screen is great too. All of this with no bull-sh!t skins like touch wiz and you have what I feel to be a great phone.
So I really hope google does not shutdown the Nexus division. Reply
betam4x - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkI don't think they will. People i know are divided into 3 groups: iPhone Users, Samsung users, and Nexus users. Others do exist, but for the most part, Google's phones seem to be pretty popular. Reply
betam4x - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkI'm in the same (happy) boat. Downgraded from the Galaxy S III (rooted, unlocked, Cyanogenmod) to the Moto-X (republic wireless). My phone lasts 20-24 hours with pretty decent usage (screen is on 3-4 hours a day, always browsing the internet on this thing...) My Moto-X isn't rooted or unlocked, but it's the most enjoyable phone i've ever owned...and i'm a spec freak. Reply
betam4x - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkbtw the reason the phone lasts so long on battery is due to republic wireless operating over wifi. when wifi is on, cellular modem is off...apparently the cell modem is a power hog on any phone. Reply
Eddie A - Saturday, May 24, 2014 - linkToo bad indeed. It seems they couldn't (or didn't have time to) re-engineer it in time to add an LTE modem (since the 805 doesn't include one). I believe it still should run smooth though...the 801 is still a beast. My Nexus 7 2013 for example has a resolution which is slightly lower than the G3's resolution with a lesser SoC (Snapdragon S4 Pro) and it flies with no lag/stutter at all, so my fingers are crossed. Yes it's somewhat disappointing but I'm still looking forward to having the G3 in my hands for the next couple of years. Reply
Krysto - Sunday, May 25, 2014 - linkBeast? Where? These numbers look absolutely pathetic. 40 percent faster than Adreno 330 will put it right around...HALF of Tegra K1's GPU. Reply
jospoortvliet - Monday, May 26, 2014 - linkWhich you can get where exactly? I will believe NVIDIA the day they actually DELIVER, as opposed to make empty promises like for, oh , every previous tegra soc? Reply
lmcd - Friday, June 20, 2014 - linkProbably half of Tegra K1's power consumption, too. Particularly the Project Denver version. Reply
2far - Wednesday, June 25, 2014 - linkwell it turns that it will! Reply
nerd1 - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkI don't understand why anand keeps using Chrome browser for android devices, and Safari browser for IOS. Safari is very well optimized for IOS (naturally), and chrome is NOT. For example the samsung's stock browser on GS5 is quite optimized and has benchmark results beating iPhone 5s.
I admit all other sites has degenerated enough to publish some random 'impression' as review, but I still feel strong bias here. We have benchmark results, but they are many times cherry picked to make apple products looks better. And it is very bad because now everyone takes review here "objective". Reply
Myrandex - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkI like that Chrome is used on the Android devices. It is a browser available for all products. It is the default browser on the pure devices (such as the nexus devices as even none nexus devices running standard Android). If Google doesn't optimize it for Android than it is their loss, but I personally use it on my Android devices as well. Reply
anonymous_user - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkI don't know if each Android smartphone has the same stock browser but I do know Nexus devices no longer have the stock browser and instead use Chrome. Wouldn't using one browser for all Android devices help with benchmark consistency? Reply
nerd1 - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkWe should at least have benchmark results using the stock browser that ships with the device. Reply
akdj - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkI think you'd be pretty bummed to find out the 'true' speed of old reliable, your TW browser. Have you tried a third party browser? Chrome? Dolphin? Mercury or Photon? Opera or Skyfire? Next or Firefox? I'm a browser junky. If you're not upset with me calling the TDub browser crap, drop me a line and we can discuss. I've literally downloaded all of the worth a bean over the past six, seven years;) Reply
Flunk - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkThe stock browser for Android is Chrome, Samsung just adds more junk to their images. Reply
leexgx - Monday, May 26, 2014 - linkthe stock browser is normally not Chrome (unless its Pure Android device or Sony phone) its normally the webkit browser? (not checked what its called)
i find chrome a power hog (i use Opera mini most of the time any way that infact is for most part worst then the stock android browser, but strips all scripts from the website so you get a static page no CPU use or lag at all) Reply
akdj - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkI'm not sure where you got your S5...I've got an S5 and Note 3. BOTH are MUCH quicker with Chrome, Dolphin, Mercury...or any numerous third party browsers than the crappy Samsung 'stock' "Internet" browser. It's CRAP! If there's a link you could share with the stock Sammy browser 'beating' the latest iOS device benchmarks on the A7/IT platform. Sorry, but as a LONG time TouchWiz owner and user it's definitely the FIRST omitted 'default' option. Then. Keyboard;)
Don't worry. Sounds like you seem to think someone is going to buy their phone based off a Sunspider test only? That doesn't make any sense. While the iOS platforms with the A7 are certainly holding their own eight months after release, the tests I eras were definitely not dominated by the iOS silicon right now. I own the iPhone 5s and Air and can honestly say regardless of benchmark results or numbers, tests and objective reviews, the iOS devices generation compared to the same generation of TouchWiz FLATTEN the latter when it comes to browsing speed, UI fluidity and overall general 'speed'. My wife has the iPhone 5 and the Samsung S5. Me the 5s and Note3. It's irrelevant which browser you use, iOS is definitely the quicker populating browser (I actually prefer iCab IR Mercury to Safari...regardless of Apples' decision to not allow access to Nitro, they're JUST as quick). While I LOVE my Note for the actual browsing 'experience' in comparison to the iPhone, the intrigue for me is the larger display and the ability to use the stylus for sketching rigging points for clients, credit cards and my old eyes. I love em both but there's NO WAY without a link you're gonna convince me that POS stock Sammy browser beats ANYTHING! Lol. Android. iOS. I'm a fan of both. BUT some things are better on one or the other's OS, UI and overall compatibility with whatever tools you're using.
Sorry. Others have beat me to it. Took to long. Android is MASSIVE ...And while Samsung makes up a large percentage of 'sales' they're not all flagships. Tons of 2.xx devices still on the market and pay by month kiosks, other countries, etc. not all Sammy's have the same TouchWiz browser nor do ANY of the other OEMs. Chrome, by default...it's Google (Android's) true 'stock' browser and it's a helluva lot faster than the crap that comes with TW. I've found Dolphin and Merc to be my faves, simply because Chrome still doesn't allow text resizing
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sachouba - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkMy Samsung Galaxy S5 has a score of 391ms at Sunspider using the stock browser from Samsung and ART Runtime. This stock browser used to be crap, but the new version of it coming with the Galaxy S5 has been really improved. I used to use Chrome instead of it, but now Samsung's stock browser is far faster. Reply
Kidster3001 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkBrowser benchmarks are in no way a good benchmark of CPU performance, even with the same browser on different devices. Browser benchmarks test many things. Raw CPU performance is not one of them. Reply
Flunk - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkI think you might not know what your'e talking about. The Samsung Android browser just uses the old Android Opensource project stack. It's not very standards compliant and pretty slow. A lot of web applications don't ever support it anymore. Reply
darkich - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkExactly.
Galaxy S5 with STOCK (Samsung) browser scores way better than on Chrome.
A record-setting 370ms on Sunspider!
Note 3 gets around 500ms.
Uselless and very biased job, Anand Reply
rubene66 - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkSnapdragon always slow web browsing tegra k1 will be better Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkIs the RAM package on package, or is it right in the die as the first image implies? Reply
tipoo - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkI'm guessing if that is an actual die shot, it's just the interface to the RAM, as the RAM would have to be bigger. Reply
mavere - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkSo no 20nm Snapdragons until 2015?
Is anyone besides Apple expected to have a 20nm mobile SoC on the market this year? Reply
grahaman27 - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkwill apple? Reply
Thermogenic - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkIt remains to be seen how good yields are for 20mm at TMSC. My guess id "not very" since Maxwell launched at 28mm. Reply
Kevin G - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkThe low end Maxwell parts also launched a bit earlier than expected. TSMC 20 nm wouldn't have been ready regardless of yields.
The real question is if the bigger Maxwell chips will use 20 nm and when they're ready to ship. Reply
kwrzesien - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkI'd really like to seem them go ahead and release the medium Maxwell on 28mm for a GTX760ti. Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - link3 28nm dies (GM107, GM204 and GM206). One 20nm die GM200 (210?)
GM204/206 will be october at earliest, more likely later... Hopefully not 2015, but, it could end up 2015 :( Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkMaxwell was planned to (mostly) be on 28nm years back.
Only Maxwell silicon not on 28nm is the one that would be to large (likely, 10-12 billion transistor chip) Reply
name99 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkOR Apple was willing to pay more than nV to secure access to the limited 20nm capacity... Reply
retrospooty - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkI am guessing not... These foundries all use same stuff. If 20nm isnt ready it isnt ready. There is pretty much TSMC, UMC (formerly AMD) and Samsung, and Intel that are capable of producing at Volume. Intel is obviously not part of this equation. I am not aware of any of the other 3 that are making 20nm chips at volume in 2014. They usually all 3 go in step at the same time. I am 99% sure the Apple A8 or whatever is in the next iPhone iPad will stil be 28nm. Reply
GC2:CS - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkBut how they will make that compulsory 2 x jump then ? Not say its impossible on 28 nm but 20nm would help a lot. Also if 28 nm it will be samsung or TSMC ? Because TSMC has more matured 28 nm process than samsung even that could be possibly enough to make that 2x jump. And hell Apple got billions to spend... Why is 20 nm so much behind the shelude ? Isn't that just Apple with an secret exclusive multibillion deal sucking off the entire TSMC ? Reply
tuxfool - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkSmall Correction. UMC isn't former AMD. GF (Global Foundries) is former AMD Reply
ArthurG - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkok so this is the year when Qualcomm lost their leadership as 2014 fastest Android SoC appears to be Tegra K1. Much faster GPU (26fps in Manhattan offscreen, 60fps in T-rex offscreen) and faster CPU too (see Xiaomi MiPad benchs).
20nm Erista with Maxwell coming same time as S810, Nvidia will even make the gap wider on next generation... Reply
testbug00 - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkDoes it matter if Nvidia cannot do it without a fan and higher power usage?
The SHIELD is a perfect example of why Nvidia fails to win against Qualcomm in meaningful terms: In the Phone/Tablet market, performance does not matter. Pref/power, and, absolute power do matter.
Until Nvidia learns to make things in lower power envelopes (the T4i is a decent example) they will lose to Qualcomm in meaningful ways.
On that note, The "amazing" K1 chip will be clocked in the 600Mhz range in the first Tablets it comes in... How downclocked will Qualcomm's part be?
Anyhow, if you need absolute performance in the SoC space (aka you are using it as a desktop, or, perhaps a laptop) NVidia is the player to go to. Otherwise, Qualcomm is plain better for phones/tablets. Reply
grahaman27 - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkthats not true, take the tegra note for example. the K1 uses an updated A15 that is more power efficient. then when the custom denver chip hits, it will start taking names and cashing checks. Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkWhen Nvidia gets a product with the lines in them, and power tests are done, I will believe it.
Until than, Tegra 2, 3, and 4 all cast doubt on that.
__could it happen__ YES!
__Will it happen__ I DOUBT IT :/ :( Reply
fivefeet8 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkYou do realize that people have already done power tests with the TK1 boards right? Or are you pretty much ignoring anything until you get your "product with lines in them" argument. If that's the case, then I'm pretty sure the Snapdragon 805 fits in the same boat. Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkQualcomm has a history of products being used by OEMs... NVidia has Tegra 2... tons of large OEM design wins... Tegra 3, many large OEM design wins, but, far less... Tegra 4... no large OEM design wins, until they finally got a win in China.
Nvidia did not lose design wins magically. Tegra consumed more power than they claimed, and, may have been slower than their claimed. Reply
fivefeet8 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkWhy are you arguing about design wins when I'm talking about your power test argument? Have you not seen the power information from users with a TK1 board or not? Or are simply ignoring their findings? Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkNvidia lost design wins because they lied about their power usage and performance to OEMs repeatably.
Nvidia had plenty of support with Tegra 2, the OEMs though the clockspeeds and power usage looked great... the final product, well, noticeably slower at around the original power promised. So, OEMs grow wary of the next Tegra, but, NVidia might have made an honest mistake... They get number for Tegra 3... Looks great... Get real Tegra 3... substantially slower, more power (at that slower speed) than told.
Nvidia tries to Tell OEMs about their great new Tegra product... and OEMs do not use it, well, major mobile OEMs do not. MS, HP, a few other companies, and, later a large Chinese company.
I have no faith in Nvidia as far as Tegra is concerned. Companies that got Tegra 2, 3 (and perhaps Tegra 4 chips) got real chips. They ran at the clockspeeds NVidia promised, at the power Nvidia promised.
Cherrypicking chips is not hard. It was done to large OEMs, in large enough numbers to let them design many design wins.
I'm not sure why you think it cannot be done for developer boards.
Tegra K1 does look like a good Tegra product finally coming around though. I do not think it will be as good as Nvidia says, based off of the past, but, I don't think it will be as run-of-the-mill as the rest of the Tegra chips were. Reply
ams23 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkTegra 4/4i was used by various large OEM's including: Asus, HP, Toshiba, Xiaomi, LG, Huawei, ZTE. Of course, that is just smoke, because it has nothing to do with Tegra K1 performance nor power efficiency. Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkHere is Nvidia's website showing Tegra devices: http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-phones-tablets....
How many TEGRA 4 (Tegra 4i is a different product, it is a fine product) phones are there? One. By an OEM that also used Qualcomm for the same Phone... I am sure the battery life tests are are the Qualcomm device (happy to be proven wrong)
Otherwise, you have a bunch of PC manufacturers (not large mobile OEMs...) with Tablets/laptops/AIOs. Oh, and, 2 of the 11 products are made by NVidia themselves.
Tegra 4i on the other hand, well, it is what Tegra 3 should have been than some. It is a fine product. Reply
ams23 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkYou just don't get it. Tegra is focused on automotive, embedded, consumer, and gaming products. Mainstream smartphones is NOT a focus now. Tegra will make it's way into some high end differentiated smartphone products in the future, but the lion's share outside of Apple and Samsung will go to Qualcomm and Mediatek. Qualcomm is able to attractively bundle their modem with their SoC, and certain large carriers have legacy WCDMA networks that require Qualcomm's modem tech. Mediatek is the lowest cost provider. That's life, and it takes nothing away from Tegra K1 which is still a revolutionary product for the ultra mobile space. Reply
fteoath64 - Saturday, May 24, 2014 - linkQC's lead in mobile chips and their pricing probably account for the leading position until MediaTek and others starts chipping away on prices and performance. The failure of Tegra3 shows where the price/performance point was and Nvidia knows that and it is the reason why they venture to automotive and other products becuase these needed powerful and higher power gpu chips as opposed to mobile. Except for rendering video in 10bit, and possibly 120fps video encode, there is no real need for the 805 in a phone. The S5 shows that the 801 is more than capable of all things mobile yet have an acceptable battery life. The K1 is a beast in itself being able to do vision graphics and VR stuff. Not that the 805 cannot do but probably better at it in a competitive price package. Nvidia Icera 500 modem is not as popular either having gone through the certification of carriers yet is hardly in any handsets commercially. Also Nvidia knows this up front. Reply
Alexey291 - Tuesday, May 27, 2014 - linkwhat's the focus then? Testbed devices? It can be as "revolutionary" as you claim (or more likely its just a downclocked desktop part)
And what sort of a revolution will a device with no OEM wins will cause? I mean we know there are faster parts in the hardware market as a whole. We also know that some of them used 250watts of power. So why does a part with high power usage and higher performance surprise anyone? :) Reply
Ghost0420 - Wednesday, May 28, 2014 - linkIt was NV's 1st LTE integration attempt. Carrier Qualification takes long, and since it's the 1st NV silicon with integrated LTE, it probably took longer. If NV, can continue to develop it's LTE, and not have any IP issues with QC, i'm sure NV would give QC a run for their $$. think of it this way, QC been in the game for awhile...NV showed up about 5yrs ago, was able to give enough competition for TI to leave the phone market. (NOT saying NV should take credit for this). and now with K1 GPU Reply
hahmed330 - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkTegra 2 & 3 were both subsidised. Tegra 4 isn't and it was delayed as well thats why there were fewer design wins. Also the fact that it didn't had integrated. Not because it lowers power required. Integration of LTE modem doesn't lowers power consumption. (apple's iphone 5s doesn't have integrated modem) Integration of modem reduces oem costs instead. Reply
Ghost0420 - Wednesday, May 28, 2014 - linkMore than likely, QC has a strangle hold on LTE, as they're not likely to license out their tech to a competitor. they've been in the Phone game longer, so OEMs probably have it easier on the Sftwre side. QC SD SoCs run hot too, just as hot as any other SoC. I've had Tegra devices and SD devices, both run at similar temp to the touch. except the T4 devices don't lag as much as SD devices (This could be due to stupid TouchWiz) Reply
Flunk - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkIf they don't get the actual production hardware out there, it doesn't mean much. Reply
ArthurG - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkFor you:
5hours heavy 3D game on 6700mAH battery means that TK1 runs with ~3W
and 11 hours on video
so excellent numbers when taking into account performance Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkThe GPU is running in the mid-600 Mhz range (from the 950Mhz or so Nvidia touted) and the CPU is certainly also downclocked.
Do you have performance numbers for that game? How about how fast/power usage on competitor chips? Not enough knowledge to draw large conclusions... Still, really odd how NVidia is not talking about the clockspeeds in the tablet... You think they would talk up how highly clocked and efficient their chip is... Reply
kron123456789 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - link"The GPU is running in the mid-600 Mhz range" — How do you know that? Where is proof? Reply
ArthurG - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkWhat do we care about clock speeds ? is it now a new metric of performance ? Is A7 running at only 1.3Ghz a slow SoC ? Architecture efficiency and final performance results are what we care about.
What is important is that TK1 in MiPad destroys all other Android SoC by good margin (60fps T-rex vs 40 on S805) and with good power efficiency.
is it so difficult to admit it for nv haters ? Reply
hahmed330 - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkIf I run my (nexus 7 2013) playing asphalt 8. My battery runs out in 2 hours only on 50% brightness.
I can tell you Tegra K1+RAM on TK1 Jetson consumes 6980mW running full tilt at 950mhz for an actively cooled device. Now remember this is a non mobile device for developers.
ArthurG - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkwell your post shows big ignorance of the products.
1/ Tegra 4 was on 28HPL process when S800/801/805 use 28HPM that provides nearly 30% better transistors. oranges vs apples and big advantage to QC
2/ T4 uses A15r1 that is not very well optimized for power efficiency. TK1 is now with A15r3 that provides better efficiency.
3/ Tegra K1 and S800/801/805 are made on the the same 28HPM process, so it's a fair comparison.
That means that T4 vs S800/S8001 was an easy win for QC due to many disadvantage over T4 design. But TK1 vs S80x shows completely different story with both using same node.
Finally, TK1 benchs are in the Xiaomi MiPad, a 7.9" tablet, no fan here, and it still smokes S805... Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkI will believe it when I See them... Also, the amazing "950Mhz" clockspeed of the K1? Guess where it is in the MiPad?
In the 600Mhz range. NVidia has to downclock its parts to fit into tablets. Much less phones.
2. Process choice is a manufacturing choice. Nvidia could not get a HPM design? They suffered. Anyhow, Qualcomm will still probably smoke on pref/watt... which, once again, is what is really important in the phone and in most tablets.
3. Krait "450" cores are the same Krait cores from the 800 (a 2013 product) with more clockspeed. A15r3 is a 2014 product. I can throw meaningless garbage into "fair comparisons" also. You compare the SoC as a whole... K1 will end up faster than the 805. I am convinced of it. Will it matter? Not unless you are looking at putting a chip into a miniPC or a laptop... Or, perhaps a mobile-gamecontroller-with-a-screen. :)
Cannot wait for SHIELD 2. Reply
kron123456789 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkRead this:
developer.download.nvidia.com/embedded/jetson/TK1/docs/Jetson_platform_brief_May2014.pdf Reply
fivefeet8 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkThe MiPad can get the performance numbers they've shown with a GPU clocked at 600 mhz? And that's a bad thing? Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkDepends on how/when Samsung, Qualcomm, Mediatek, Rockchip, etc. introduce their next generation chips and how fast they are.
Apple's will likely beat this on GPU and CPU while using less power... Because, well, Apple has and continues to spend tons of money on optimization. The biggest part is die size... which is a huge advantage Apple has. Reply
kron123456789 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkApple is using PowerVR GPU. And only GX6650 is comparable with Tegra K1(but it's have about 600-650MHz max frequency, and, because of that, less GFLOPS) Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkand if the K1 cannot run at full clockspeed in phones/tablets due to setting reasonable clockspeeds or throttling?
Or if PowerVR GPU adds more units, or raises Mhz (no reason to do these, as, raising power consumption (Without partial redesign) and these parts are typically "use X power, get as much speed as possible"
Or if Apple happens to license a GPU architecture from a company they are close with, say, PowerVR... ;) Reply
ArthurG - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkapple faster ? proof ?
All these SoC manufacturers rely on other companies tech to build their GPU. Unlike Nvidia, they can't come up with something new if their IP supplier doesn't have it. And for now, like it or not, no GPU available this year will be more powerful than mobile Kepler. Shallow it, you can't do anything against that. Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linklol. All right, I'll just ignore the fact that Apple made a custom ARMv8 CPU, the fact it has a GPU team, to match its Uncore and CPU teams, and the fact that there are mobile GPU manufacturers who would reasonably license their overall design to Apple. Also, Imagine Tech (and ARM, and Qualcomm, and Samsung, and others) could call make GPUs that were faster than Tegra K1. But, there is no reason to. Waste of money, waste of power (in the design), etc.
Oh, and ignore the fact that Apple is willing to spend more money on die. You have to remember that Nvidia is planning to sell these on a profit, that means they need to minimize die space. Typical semiconductor design comes down to Power, Performance and Area. NVidia Tegra seems to follow Performance, Area, Power. Tegra K1 might be the first to go Power, Area, Performance (impossible to tell without real retail products...)
Apple, on the other hand, targets Power, Performance Area. That means that as long as the chip will fit inside the phone, they would be fine making a 200M^2 die. Making a larger die means you can reduce power due to various reasons. Of course, making a die smaller also allows you to reduce power by shortening distances (this (and lack of interdie connect, larger cache and faster caches) is a reason why Maxwell managed to reduce power so much).
I am also using historical precidence:
-NVidia claimed Tegra 2 brought mobile up to parity with Xbo360/PS3 (And Tegra K1, not sure about 3 and 4) which, well, Tegra 2 was not, Tegra K1 will be not (due to bandwidth for the most part, imho. Given it had more bandwidth, it certainly could beat the Xbox 360/PS3)
-Nvidia showed Tegra 4 beating iPad (did it for Tegra 2 and 3? I don't remember) and it lost upon next iPad.
-Nvidia claimed Tegra 2 was great pref/watt. And Tegra 3, and Tegra 4. They all were bad compared to Qualcomm (and Apple)
I don't take Nvidia's claims for much, because, they stink. Hopefully Tegra K1 fixes it. I would rather we did not have a player in the market "die" (read: move to focusing almost wholly on automotive) especially not it being after that company finally got its act together. Reply
name99 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkWithout going into Apple being faster, it's clearly silly to claim that "all the SOC manufacturers rely on other companies tech to build their GPU". Who is "all the SOC manufacturers"?
Qualcomm use their own GPU, as does nV. Soon enough so will AMD.
Apple is the only interesting SoC manufacturer that uses someone else's tech for their GPU, and their are plenty of indications (eg large buildup in GPU HW hires) that this is going to change soon --- if not with the A8, then with the A9. Reply
fivefeet8 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkIt's hard to have coherent dialog with you going on tangents. For this year it seems the competition from Qualcomm will be the 805 which we now know will not be as performant as the Tegra K1. Reply
tuxRoller - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkHow do we KNOW this?
I've struggled to find third part, comprehensive benchmarks for either the mipad or the tk1, especially ones that include power draw (those numbers some random person threw up in a forum aren't tremendously useful, with regards the mipad).
Also, the adreno420's drivers are, apparently, not well optimized.
Basically, until AT, toms, or someone similar get their hands on it I won't feel like I know how things stackup. Reply
fivefeet8 - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkThere are slides from the IHV presentation for the MiPad showing power usage patterns. Phoronix also did some testing of the TK1 board which shows power usage well below what some seem to be thinking. As for Adreno drivers, they've always been bad and not well optimized.
https://dolphin-emu.org/blog/2013/09/26/dolphin-em... Reply
tuxRoller - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkWhen did phoronix release power numbers?
The mipad presentation looked like copy paste from the Nvidia material.
The adreno drivers aren't great. Which should tell you how good that hardware really is. Rob Clark, the lead developer of the open source freedreno driver, is already at least matching their performance up to opengl 2.1 gl|es 2. He's mentioned that he's found evidence of the hardware supporting advanced gl extensions not advertised by the driver. This may change as Qualcomm has recently joined linaro so they will probably be seeking to work more with upstream. The end result of that process is always better quality.
Lastly, don't forget that adreno is a legacy of bitboys, and that Qualcomm is no Intel, even though they are the same size. Qualcomm seems to actually be interested in making top performing GPUs. Reply
Ghost420 - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkisn't Apple's die known to be the biggest of all the SOCs? they can afford to have a big power sucking SOC cuz they can optimize for it. only reason Iphones last long on battery...besides being lower clocked, cuz look how small and dinky that screen is... Reply
Ghost0420 - Wednesday, May 28, 2014 - linkExactly, it's DOWNCLKED to 600Mhz and still spanking the competition Reply
kron123456789 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - link"Guess where it is in the MiPad?
In the 600Mhz range. " — Proof? BTW, even if it is, MiPad is still more powerful than S805 MDP. Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkProof is loose... based off of talking with someone who has worked closely with Nvidia and TSMC in the past (Tesla, Fermi, a few Tegra chips).
They have been quite accurate before... When the tablet comes we will see it.
On the other hand, silence tells us a lot also... Where is Nvidia's talking about their "950Mhz GPU" in a tablet? I think the 600Mhz (by that, I should clarify I mean between 600 and 699) clockspeed band is still quite impressive... Just, well, it shows why the chip won't go into Phones... Reply
kron123456789 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkWell, i don't belive it because of benchmarking results. Nvidia promised 60fps in T-Rex HD, and here it is. And Nvidia also promised 2.5x performance on Manhattan Offscreen test compared Apple's A7. And here it is(30fps vs 13.3fps). Well, almost 2.5x. Reply
AnandTechUser99 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkNVIDIA had shown us the benchmarks in January.
When the iPad Mini Retina (and other A7 devices) had been benchmarked towards the end of January in Manhattan Offscreen 1080p, they had average scores closer to 667 (10.8 Fps). Based off of this score, the Tegra K1 was offering a score ~2.65x that of the A7.
Sometime around March 10th, the average score for Apple's A7 had changed to 803 (13.0 Fps). I assume there was some sort of software update that boosted their Manhattan score. Reply
Ghost420 - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linki'm glad that if it is down clocked to 600mhz in the MiPad, benchmarks shows it's still kicking QC butt Reply
Ghost420 - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkon a side note, this is very good for SOC competition...hopefully Reply
ArthurG - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkSo read this:
5hours heavy 3D game on 6700mAH battery means that TK1 runs with ~3W
and 11 hours on video
so excellent numbers when taking into account the leading performance Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkabout 5 hours. Hm, I wish they had ran the tests longer... Ideally (for testing purposes, not time purposes) they would have ran everything for 20-25%(+) of the tablets battery life, and used that.
Did the tests from 75% or 50% battery.
Using 15 minutes (read: 5%) is a bit low amount of battery wear... It should be pretty accurate, but, I would skew that test a little lower (my experience is phones (over 5 phones) and tablets (over 2 tablets) tend to lose the first few percent of battery the slowest, and, it gives an inflated battery life.
According to the first 5% of battery (from 100% to 95%) on an iPad mini, well, It gave me something like 8 hours of usage playing hearthstone...
Same with video watching on Nook HD+
Same with Video (and reading webpages) watching on 920/1020
Same on reading webpages/playing weak applications on my Moto G
Same with web pages on some cheapass Android LG
Same with video/web pages on my old iPhone 4.
I would guess the real battery is closer to 4-4.5 hours (happy to be proven wrong ^__^) and the SoC is not running max clock (for good reason, no need to run max clock when you already hit a game fps gap, or, the refresh rate of the tablet) Reply
Ghost0420 - Wednesday, May 28, 2014 - linkDoesn't Asus have a TF701T? which uses a Tegra 4 @ 1.9Mhz, WITHOUT A FAN? One bad review, because Toshiba don't know how to make a tablet, and everyone thinks T4 runs hot. The fan in the Shield is very quite and doesn't 'spool' up as if T4 was overheating, it runs very smoothly and the the interface is very smooth. Also, streaming AWAY from your house on good WiFi for PC games is working quite well now.
And at least NV is updating its software....consistently...unlike most OEMs. Reply
TheJian - Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - linkAgreed. Also Denver is in house where 810 isn't. I would expect CPU stuff to show Denver is better on power when taxed as Qcom in house won't be around until late 2015 or Q1 2016 since 810 is 1h2015. The GPU will heavily favor NV (even AMD at some point if they get in with a good SOC) as nobody else but AMD has 20yrs of gaming experience. We already have seen K1 is pretty good against the 805. Odd they ran from battery here...
"Here even NVIDIA's Shield with Tegra 4 cooled by a fan can't outperform the Adreno 420 GPU"
Anandtech needs to stop makings dumb NV statements. It's a YEAR old device and won't even be in this race, not to mention it's not getting a ton from the fan anyway which is really there for longevity and temps in the hands for hours (we game hard and for hours so keeps it cool). The fan isn't in there to hit 2.5ghz or something, it's 1.9. This device will be facing K1. Stop taking AMD checks to be their portal site, and you can get back to making unbiased reporting without the little BS NV digs. Reply
ArthurG - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkSo true for the last paragraph !
Let's see if Anand will say "TK1 Kepler GPU smokes Adreno 420, providing twice the performance on GFX3.0 bench with half memory bandwidth"
I'm waiting for it, right Anand ? Reply
ams23 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkTechnically the difference in memory bandwidth is closer to 50% due to differences in mem. operating speeds for these two SoC's. Reply
akdj - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - link"{"Here even NVIDIA's Shield with Tegra 4 cooled by a fan can't outperform the Adreno 420 GPU"}
Anandtech needs to stop makings dumb NV statements. It's a YEAR old device and won't even be in this race, not to mention it's not getting a ton from the fan anyway which is really there for longevity and temps in the hands for hours.... Stop taking AMD checks to be their portal site, and you can get back to making unbiased reporting without the little BS NV digs."
Reading. Comprehension. Even YOU, taking the time to quote and post the comment, specifically relating to an OBJECTIVE benchmark. nVidia isn't ON the market! Unless you buy THEIR pad....and that's extremely niche right Now..."gaming for hours?" Who does THAT on their phone? Even their tablet?? An hour, ok...I see that. But there's a FAN for a reason. Not to just keep your hands cool. You said it yourself. Longevity. Doesn't that DIRECTLY relate to 'cooling' the SoC? The guts? So it can 'live longer?' It wasn't a dig. It certainly wasn't an AMD stamp, WhateverTH that is. Certainly possible it was I that missed the innuendo there. It's a fact though, bro! nVidia, Intel, AMD...ALL late to the 'mobile game'. Intel has the resources to jump into the fray...head first. nVidia doesn't. They're being very careful while maintaining their, again...slowly but certainly 'niche' dedicated GPU activity. With Intel's iGPU performance envelope and TDP, along with its kinda close association with the CPU ;)...increasing demand for smaller, faster and more portable computing is going to destroy nVidia if the K1 projects isn't accepted by more mobile vendors and OEMs. There's a LOT of money in the R&D of these SOCs and to date, the nVidia 'Tegra' solution scared a LOT of OEMs using or considering using their silicon graphically. I think you owe Anand and his crew an apology. I'd be interested as to what your contribution to the world of technology is...it's got to be something incredible! I'm all ears!!! Seriously, for you to disrespect the author of the article as you did...you owe at least an apology. Then, feed the spider. Leave mom's basement. Get a job. Stop playing games all day. And don't 'pick a winner!' You'll NEVER win. It's called gambling. That's why the lights are on in Vegas. It's cool to be a fan of theirs but to post such a silky comment disrespecting one or the MOST respected and intelligent employee of or Anand himself is bad juju. Take it back. Get off the 'net for a couple of days. Get some sunshine. Good for ya! Reply
phoenix_rizzen - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkI've played games on my phone (LG G2) for over 4 hours at a time (Puzzle Quest 2 is damned addictive). Once for over 6 hours, although I had to plug it in near the end. :) Anytime I get a new, interesting RPG onto my phone, I'll go through bouts of playing it for 4-6 hours at a time.
And my daughter has played games on our tablet (2012 Nexus 7) for multiple hours at a time, including some Netflix and local video watching. The battery on that thing tends to only last about 4 hours, though. :(
Just because YOU can't see a reason to play games on your phone for over an hour doesn't mean nobody does that. Reply
Alexey291 - Tuesday, May 27, 2014 - linkHear hear - i play my psp games emulated on the phone these days. the psp is too much of a pain to carry around (and too old tbh) but some of the old rpgs on it are ossum and yes i can play them for hours on end. Reply
kron123456789 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkactually, it's 30fps in Manhattan Offscreen))
http://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?benchmark=gfx30&... Reply
sachouba - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkHaving amazing scores at benchmarks is good, but Nvidia's Soc still aren't compatible with a lot of apps... Reply
kron123456789 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkWhat apps, for example? Reply
tviceman - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkSo Qualcomm will continue to have the better phone SoC in 805, while Nvidia will have the better tablet, set top, and chromebook SoC in TK1. Reply
ArthurG - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkwithout integrated modem in S805, I'm not sure it's better than TK1 for super phones. Let's wait for power consumption figures... Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkHow many phones used T4 (not T4i, which, is a good product!) again? One.
Nvidia either cannot, or does not offer a compelling solution in phones.
I would say why, but, you would scream "that is not true" as the only evidence is in how OEMs have acted and design wins count. Reply
fivefeet8 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkMarket comparisons aside as a taken, the K1 is quite different than the Tegra 4 as far as GPU hardware goes. It should have the chance to be used in Super Phones and mobile devices if only to put pressure on Qualcomm to fix their OpenGL drivers. Reply
testbug00 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkYeah, it supports DX11.2.... no other mobile GPU supports... Wait. Qualcomm does... And I wonder how long until ARM "stock" GPU does... And Imagine Tech's...
Nvidia is not displacing Qualcomm most likely. It could happen, but, given OEM relationships, it is unlikely. Even if NVidia has a better product (note: I think they have one that is on best even with Qualcomm (for Phones)) the OEM relations mean a lot. ATI managed to make quite a bit of money despite NVidia having far better products due to OEM relationships. Reply
kron123456789 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - link"Yeah, it supports DX11.2.... no other mobile GPU supports... Wait. Qualcomm does... And I wonder how long until ARM "stock" GPU does... And Imagine Tech's..." — Only Tegra K1 supports OpenGL 4.4. DirectX support matters ONLY on Windows. And Tegra K1 supports DirectX 12(because of that: http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/20/directx-12... ). Reply
tuxRoller - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkWhy does opengl 4.4 matter? Who would consume it?
http://richg42.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-truth-on-o... Reply
fivefeet8 - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkUnfortunately, OpenGL 4.x will mean little to Android devices until Qualcomm starts actually caring about the API in their drivers. If the K1 actually competes in tablets and superphones, it may actually have the effect of forcing them to through competition.
https://dolphin-emu.org/blog/2013/09/26/dolphin-em... Reply
tuxRoller - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkLook, you don't need to keep linking to that old post. I'm don't need to argue about adreno blob quality. Nvidia, however, lives and breathes on it software, which seems to be not quite as flawless as some would believe.
Again, why does gl matter to android? It doesn't even support it. The point of having the embedded profile is to expose enough of gl to create a good balance between high performance/graphics quality and efficiency. Going full blown gl destroys that last advantage (tesselation alone is terrible for battery life). Reply
kron123456789 - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkSerious Sam 3 for Tegra K1 is using OpenGL 4(and Croteam have Android build that supports OpenGL 4). Reply
tuxRoller - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkGreat, but you aren't going to see Google including gl in their builds. The reason? Gles is the best of what can be supported while maintaining decent battery. Reply
fivefeet8 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkHardware level support for API's mean diddly squat if their drivers are crap. My Galaxy S4 with the Snapdragon 600 supports OpenGLes3, but it sucks at it. Nvidia actually has a history of nominal OpenGL support in drivers at least. Reply
ams23 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkWho said anything about NVIDIA "displacing" Qualcomm? That is pure silliness. NVIDIA offers a "differentiated" product. Any OEM who wants to offer differentiated high end products may consider using Tegra K1. K1 is also a very versatile product, so it will be used in a wide variety of different products. Reply
ams23 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkCompanies like Xiaomi that are looking for differentiated products would absolutely consider using Tegra K1 in a high end smartphone. Considering the performance and perf. per watt advantages for Tegra K1, there are clearly compelling reasons to use it. But again, like I said above, the lions share of phones outside of Apple and Samsung will go to Qualcomm (bundled modem) and Mediatek (lowest cost). Reply
phoenix_rizzen - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkSnapdragon S4 Pro didn't have an integrated modem (APQ80xx) and it sold quite well into phones like the LG Optimus G / Nexus 4. Reply
jerrylzy - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkThe Memory Interface of Snapdragon 805 should be 2 x 64bit instead of 4 x 32bit... Reply
Zaydax - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkJust noticed: First page of the review says 32 nm. Aren't these all 28nm?
As always, great review! Reply
Zaydax - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkNever mind. totally read that wrong. It said 32 bit... Reply
jjj - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkAt least it's not just a rebrand like the 801, we want 20nm already!
On the flip side, really looking forward to the A53 SoCs about to arrive from Qualcomm and Mediatek, the Allwinner A80 quad A15, the Rockchip RK3288 with it's quad A17 (not sure it's not A12 ,we'll see soon i guess) and the quad A17 MediaTek MT6595. The more budget side should be getting some nice perf boost.
And while at it, heave you guys heard anything about Intel investing/collaborating with Rockchip? Reply
hahmed330 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkI actually found very detailed power consumption figures for Jetson Tegra K1.... I am quite surprised how low power it is... I am quite surprised anand missed that... Here is the link....
Also for even more geeky details including the schematics...
https://developer.nvidia.com/jetson-tk1-support Reply
hahmed330 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - link660 mW at idle... 3660 mW running at iPhone 5S speed... At full load at 950mhz 6980mW...
These numbers are SOC+DRAM... Reply
henriquen - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - link"Tegra K1 performance measured on Jetson TK1 platform running LINUX" Reply
Ryan Smith - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkMemory bandwidth! Sweet, sweet memory bandwidth! Reply
bradleyg5 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkHope this chipset doesn't just come on 2560x1440 screens because the bump in performance isn't going to match the increased demands of that resolution.
The only test you did that reflects real world gaming(in my experience) is 3d mark so it's pretty shocking how poor it does.
40% improved performance might as well mean nothing because the current chips rarely even run full power. So basically a 20% power efficiency bump is the only thing that will be actualized.
X-Com will drain my note3's entire battery in about 2 1/2 hours where the 800 runs full power.
The better shader support is by far the biggest news, direct x 11 effects are solely needed, shaders in games currently look like direct x 7. So that's a massive leap.
All the visual fidelity currently comes from running games at very high resolution with high poly counts. I wonder if in the next generation we are going to see developers run games under native resolution, think of what you could do with shaders running at 720p instead of 1440p. Now that you have all the advanced lighting and shadowing effects why would you want to burn up all your performance on super high resolutions.
The xbox 1 and ps4 don't even run most games at 1080p it's sort of crazy that mobile games do. You aren't going to get ps3 level graphics at 1440p but you could at 720p. Reply
bradleyg5 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkhttp://imgur.com/a/fkUhf
Charts! Reply
phoenix_rizzen - Friday, May 30, 2014 - linkBroken links! Reply
hardeswm - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkAnand,
Would you consider including at least 1 Intel/AMD 'cost-effective' cpu, integrated graphics, and 'cost-effective' discrete gpu in these charts? A price per chip comparison would be very cool as well.
I am really interested in watching the performance gap close over the next year.
Thanks! Reply
texasti89 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - link
Nice GPU features & moderate performance bump. Not impressive, though. This release shows how bad we need to migrate to the next 20nm process node. Industry has done all they can to squeeze the heck out of current 28nm node. It's really frustrating to observe this stagnation of process technology. Reply
rocketbuddha - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkIMHO, I do not think 805 will get much in the area of phones. Manufacturing wise it is more expensive. It needs to have a separate Gobi MDM to provide LTE connectivity. Instead the cheaper integrated 800/801 which are MSMs will continue to be used.
IT could very well be a repeat of Q3-12-Q2-13 where in when the first QC Kraits appeared sans the integrated baseband.
That was a brief window of time that Note 2 as well as HTC One X+ sported Exynos and Tegra 3+ variants as the SOC and plus a Gobi MDM for LTE connectivity. So maybe Note 4 would have the next Exynos version with the Gobi MDM for the US version of the handset. Reply
Tanclearas - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkIs that really correct that Snapdragon 808/810 will revert back to 2 x 32b memory interface? That doesn't seem right. Reply
frostyfiredude - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - link810 is 2x32b LPDDR4 1600. 25.6GB/s, same as 805
808 is 2x32b LPDDR3 933. 14.9GB/s, less than the others but still quite a lot of BW considering the GPU is smaller too. Reply
Tanclearas - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkThe combination of a new 64-bit core and higher clocked GPU (note that the 810 shows Adreno 430) will put additional strain on the memory bandwidth. I think I'd rather see 4x32b LPDDR3 933. Reply
frostyfiredude - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkConsidering the hugely more powerful APUs from AMD and Intel are happy with 25.6GB/s using architectures which are less bandwidth conscientious; I'm sure these Snapdragons will be limited by thermals far before memory. Reply
vortmax2 - Thursday, May 22, 2014 - linkBring on the Note 4 with this! Reply
Arbie - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkYes, but can it run Crysis? Reply
Krysto - Sunday, May 25, 2014 - linkNo. But Tegra K1 probably can, not just because it's twice as fast, but because it has a much more PC-parity API than Adreno 420. Reply
errorr - Friday, May 23, 2014 - linkI wonder what the heuristics are like for switching graphics from TLDR to direct rendering are and whether they are tweaked depending on tablet or phone usage.
Abandoning TLDR to use that giant amount of bandwidth is going to use oodles of power. This is why I doubt you will see NV Kepler on a phone and restrict it to tablets. Reply
fteoath64 - Saturday, May 24, 2014 - linkTrue. Remember NV do have Maxwell shipping on desktop form so its mobile variant is probably in testing/optimization phase right now with possibly reserving it for near future opposition. Reply
Krysto - Sunday, May 25, 2014 - linkDenver + Maxwell at FinFET 16nm, now THAT'S a beauty to behold. Hopefully Nvidia doesn't have anymore delays, though. Reply
Krysto - Sunday, May 25, 2014 - linkNo VP9 decoding? And when is Qualcomm going to open source its baseband firmware? Otherwise we can just assume it's backdoored these days, therefore making the whole phone vulnerable to attacks and espionage. Reply
Keermalec - Saturday, August 02, 2014 - linkOK so your excuse, Anand, for not including Tegra K1 or Exynos 5433 in your benchmarks was that you didn't have them available on May 21. Now you do as K1 and Exynos 5433 are shipping while Snapdragon 805 still is not.
So can you correct this article to show 805's performance vs the real competition? Pitting it against last year's Tegra 4 and Exynos 5 Octa is just wrong. Reply
HibikiTaisuna - Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - linkWow, didn't expect that my Tegra K1 is so much better than these SoCs. 50% more graphics performance and even 10% to 20% more CPU Performance (the week part of the Tegra K1). Reply


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Republican delegates to the state party convention in Fort Worth continued for a second day Friday to tussle among themselves over the direction of their party. Some booed the name of Mitt Romney, their presumptive presidential nominee, and a sizeable number of convention-goers walked out on House Speaker Joe Straus.
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Straus, Castro's fellow San Antonian and a reviled "moderate" in the eyes of many tea partiers for working too closely with Democrats, told reporters before his speech that Republicans must focus on building a positive agenda to avoid losing ground. Coincidentally, he acknowledged the point that Castro was making about the potential effects of a party's extremist elements.
"I witnessed, and benefited really, from the demise of the Democratic Party in Texas because they ceded the center," he said. "They moved so far to the left at the national level that it made it easy for Texas Democrats to become Republicans."
Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, whose name was booed a day earlier when Gov. Rick Perry touted him, rallied Friday with his own speech that hit many applause lines. There were some shouts for tea party-backed Ted Cruz in the early going, but they quickly were shushed.
Dewhurst is engaged in a fierce runoff battle for the GOP nomination for the U.S. Senate with Cruz, and the unusual occurrence of a convention before runoffs are decided has heightened tensions.
Straus had a tougher audience at the convention, where Rep. Bryan Hughes, R-Mineola, has set up a booth and is handing out stickers touting his plans to challenge Straus for House leadership in 2013.
The speaker got applause, but there also were some calls of "oust Straus" during his speech, and there was a walkout by a large number of convention-goers who left the arena individually but gathered outside to chant "Oust Straus."
"We're upset that Straus is not a conservative, and he's not by any means our candidate," Marler said. "He has granted to Democrats key committee positions that should never have gone to anybody but Republicans."
Asked about the boos for others before his own speech, Straus said, "I think it's disappointing when our party's leaders or even those who are contenders to be party leaders are booed, but there are no flags for unsportsmanlike conduct at political conventions."
The boos for Romney came during a speech by U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, who accused the Democrats of trying to sow dissension among Republicans over Romney.
Both conventions wrap up today with passage of party platforms and, for the Democrats, the election of a new party chairman.


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2013 Pre-Grammy Gala to Honor X FACTOR Judge, Epic Record Exec L.A. Reid
Clive Davis and The Recording Academy will present the annual Pre-GRAMMY Gala on Saturday, Feb. 9, 2013, at The Beverly Hilton in Beverly Hills, Calif., the evening before the 55th Annual GRAMMY Awards (www.grammy.com). Sponsored by Harman, Hilton Hotels & Resorts, Hyundai, and MasterCard Worldwide, this exclusive, star-studded celebration will feature special musical performances and will be attended by the world's most renowned artists and top industry VIPs in music, film, television and new media.
As part of the evening's celebration, the 2013 GRAMMY Salute To Industry Icons will honor Epic Records' Chairman and CEO Antonio "L.A." Reid. The Recording Academy will present Reid with the President's Merit Award in recognition of his significant contributions to the music industry and the impact his efforts have had on music and the business of music. Past recipients include Herb Alpert and Jerry Moss , Sir Richard Branson , Clive Davis , Ahmet Ertegun , David Geffen , Berry Gordy , Doug Morris , and Mo Ostin .
"We are thrilled to once again collaborate with Clive Davis on this legendary gala filled with unique performances and stories," said Neil Portnow , President/CEO of The Recording Academy. "With his keen ability to foster and guide young artists, Antonio 'L.A.' Reid has brought to the world some of the most accomplished and beloved musicians. We are delighted and excited to pay tribute to this luminary who has shaped the contemporary music landscape with his passion, diversity, dedication, and musical judgement."
Before becoming the consummate executive, Reid was a recording artist, drummer, songwriter, and producer. In 1989 he co-founded LaFace Records with Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds, in partnership with Clive Davis and Arista Records and introduced a string of multi-platinum artists, including Toni Braxton , OutKast, TLC, and Usher. The label, which reshaped R&B and hip-hop, became one of the premier record companies of its time.
In 2000 Reid was named president and CEO of Arista Records and brought successes to the label by signing such multi-platinum artists as P!nk, Ciara and Avril Lavigne . Additionally, during his tenure at Arista he oversaw OutKast's GRAMMY-winning album Speakerboxxx/The Love Below and executive produced Usher's Confessions, which went on to win a GRAMMY and sell more than 10 million copies in the United States.
As chairman of Island Def Jam Music Group, reins he took in 2004, Reid supervised the revitalization of Mariah Carey's career with The Emancipation Of Mimi; helped Kanye West achieve multi-platinum status and worldwide recognition with Late Registration and its follow-up Graduation; nurtured Bon Jovi's platinum selling album Have A Nice Day and their platinum follow-up Lost Highway; managed the Killers' 2004 triple-platinum debut Hot Fuss and Fall Out Boy's 2005 major label debut album, From Under The Cork Tree; and he signed and oversaw Justin Bieber 's multi-platinum, GRAMMY-nominated My World and Never Say Never and Rihanna's succession of worldwide multi-platinum best-sellers Music Of the Sun, A Girl Like Me, Good Girl Gone Bad, and Loud.
Throughout his illustrious career, Reid has produced and co-written more than 30 No. 1 singles and garnered three GRAMMY Awards. In 1999 he was accepted into Harvard Business School's prestigious Advanced Management Program and received intensive MBA training. And in 2006, Reid was honored with the Music Visionary of the Year Award from the UJA-Federation of New York and the Music for Youth Foundation for making quality music education available to underprivileged young people. As chairman and CEO of Epic Records and a judge on "The X Factor," Reid continues to develop and guide young artists and inspire music fans around the world.
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Life — June 2003
|What came out of the woods when we were off the water.
This cruising adventure began with a call from a friend inquiring if I would be a mate aboard his 42-foot Grand Banks on a trip from Beaufort, North Carolina, to South Florida. Having few pressing matters to attend to, I agreed.
Now, a ditch run is one of those peculiar events where people's opinions seem to have no middle ground. Rarely have I met anyone, other than a delivery captain, who is ambivalent about this particular excursion. When forced to make this run, the sportfishing crowd, with their armada of rocket launchers, gold-tipped Rupp `riggers, Guy Harvey T-shirts, and 16-cylinder diesels, seem to see it the way the average tourist sees a trip down I-95: The quicker one gets past Pedro's South of the Border, the better. This impression is partly the result of the plethora of signs along the ICW demanding, "Absolutely No Wake."
Then there is the trawler crowd, traversing the waterway at roughly the equivalent of a brisk walk. They're happy to just amble along, commenting on this or that interesting piece of flotsam and generally trying to figure out a way to keep doing this and pay the bills. For them a ditch run is as close to doing nothing as humanly possible. Which is precisely the reason they love it.
Although we fell into this latter category, our departure from the bucolic port of Beaufort was exciting, as is the beginning of any boat trip, involving an early awakening, a beautiful morning sky, and an overheating port engine (a problem that had plagued us for the better part of 200 miles until we finally shimmed the water pump with a nickel). After three hours of tedious work, we finally left the dock under a still-beautiful but now midafternoon sky.
We were headed south on a late-spring day, a time of year when every boater who has wintered in South Florida is heading north, presumably intent on mucking about in the fog banks of Maine's Mount Desert Island. The neat thing about going "backwards" is that you get to see so many boats, instead of constantly passing and being passed by the same few.
Day two found us heading down one of those narrow canals the ICW is famous for. Not only was it scenic--Spanish moss bearding the trees, giving it that tunnel-of-foliage look--it was also rather tight quarters, thanks to a bottom that can go from 12 feet to two inches in the time it takes to sip your morning coffee. In fact, it was so narrow we both decided to put down our books and shut off the autopilot. I relinquished the wheel and decided to do my morning inspection of the various components--primarily checking to see if the nickel was still safely wedged in the water pump. The last thing I remember seeing upon taking my leave from the bridge was a tilted old sign, quaintly painted, advertising prop and shaft repair two miles ahead.
My inspection was going smoothly, and I was in the perfect position to hear the resounding THUMP that emanated from the area of the running gear. I was back on the bridge in record time, where I observed mon capitan taking the port engine out of gear and shutting it down while intently eyeing the depthfinder. I kept my eyes trained to our wake, hoping to see a floating log or an irritated creature, but nothing--dead or alive--surfaced. When we restarted the port engine and put it in gear, we were greeted with a disconcerting vibration that coursed through our spinal columns and settled in our wallets.
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Remarks by Ambassador Wittig to the UN Press Corps on Libya
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Remarks to the UN press corps by Ambassador Wittig after today's Security Council consultations on Libya:
"We continue to be concerned about the massive violations of human rights further measures were discussed. Germany suggested that we increase the pressure by sharpening the sanction tools. We will be suggesting some new elements on that and of course there will be a discussion on the no-fly zone.
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A few months ago, Animal Planet came to town to do some filming for a new show coming out on Animal Planet called Eating the Enemy. They initially contacted my buddy Mike who is a professional hog hunter. They asked him if he knew any bbq'ers in the area, so he called me. I have a face made for radio, so I set Animal Planet up with my buddy Todd and his wife. TV Personality "Stretch" is the face of the show. Stretch has been in a variety of other shows on TV and is the owner of Grinders in Kansas City. They came to film some hog hunting and my buddy Todd doing some bbq'ing. Just got word today that the show is going to air Dec 27th. Anyhow, I was there for all of the bbq filming. I stayed out of the way most of the time, but there could be a scene or two I show up in. I don't know if I made the cut or not. Anyways, set your DVR's! There are supposedly three segments on the show. BBQ, hog hunting and a chili guy. I'm friends with everybody but the chili guy - don't know who he is. I think they went to Ft Worth to film him.
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Several of the bobcat's teeth were in poor condition, so a root canal was performed to prevent infection.
The two-hour long procedure was performed by Dr. Maryanne Tocidlowski of the Houston Zoo and Dr. Frank Shuman of the Houston SPCA.
The dental work involved six root canals.
After the surgery, the bobcat was safely transported back to the Houston SPCA, where he is being monitored by our veterinary staff.
The bobcat was found in December 2012 in poor condition in a rural area and initially brought to The Wildlife Center of Texas, a subsidiary of the Houston SPCA.
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - Thousands packed the Prime Osborn Convention Center for First Lady Michelle Obama's appearance Thursday at a rally in support of her husband's reelection.
"Five days. Get to work. We're going to make this happen right here in Florida," she told the crowd.
A line at the Prime Osborn Convention Center on 1000 Water Street in downtown Jacksonville began forming by 5 a.m. The first lady took the stage about 1:15 p.m., but Stevie Wonder performed several songs for the crowd as they waited.
Mrs. Obama started her remarks by expressing sympathy and support of those hurting after Hurricane Sandy came ashore in New Jersey at the beginning of the week. Then it was all about how important it is to give her husband a second term in office.
"What we do over these next five days will absolutely make the difference between us waking up the day after Election Day and asking ourselves 'Could we have done more?' or feeling the promise of four more years," Mrs. Obama said.
UNCUT: Michelle Obama's remarks in Jacksonville
As early voting continues across the state, Mrs. Obama is trying to firm up her husband's message about what he believes is at stake for Florida voters going into next week's election.
"There are more and more signs every day that we are headed in the right direction," she said. "Exports have grown by 45 percent; manufacturers have added 500,000 jobs; we've had 31 straight months of private-sector job growth -- the majority of the president's term -- 5.2 million new jobs right here in the United States of America."
Mrs. Obama also urged people to volunteer for in the final days of the campaign, and to make sure everyone they know votes.
Yvonne Todd, a school guidance counselor, has never volunteered for a campaign until this year, but getting ready to retire, she's talking to others about her support of Obama's Medicare policy.
"There is so much at stake, so I lose sleep at night and I'm staying on my knees praying," Todd said.
President Obama cancelled his appearance in Orlando on Monday as Hurricane Sandy prepared to make landfall and has since been using surrogates, including former president Bill Clinton, to keep a presence in a state that is expected to play a huge role in whether he wins a second term.
He did return to the campaign on Thursday and is expected in South Florida on Sunday.
After her Jacksonville stop, the first lady traveled south to campaign events in Daytona Beach and Miami.
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Olympic boxing champion Stevenson dies
Cuban boxer Teofilo Stevenson, the three-time Olympic heavyweight champion with a devastating right hand and a gentlemanly demeanor, has died. He was 60.
Cuban boxer Teofilo Stevenson, the three-time Olympic heavyweight champion with a devastating right hand and a gentlemanly demeanor, has died. He was 60.
Amy: Look at the media and politicians both rebulican and democrats fanning the flames saying "there is only one side" They are actually expecteding Americans to choose one side or the other. This is so terribly decisive. President Trump came out 2 hrs after this incident and condemned both sides of this protest for violence because hello!! Both sides were being violent! There's video evidence everywhere showing it. Why were the police told to stand down and let this happen? Anyway that's another topic. He goes on to say "We should stand united condemning all forms of hatred, violence, bigotry, and racism." Later also stating"We should come together and love each other." I can't think of a better response really. Look I understand one idiot killed someone with a car. On the other side people were using bats, bike locks, and broken bottles! They could have easily also killed someone. Thankfully they didn't. My point is the President tried to unite 95 percent of Americans that are not rasist and idiots. Some are trying to make him pick the ANTIFA, alt left side which is absolutely terrible also. How about we choose the side of the Constitution of the United States of America. Wether you agree or not these groups have the right to assemble but peacefully. The agitators and the officials responsible for the public safety should be investigated and prosecuted. Anyway back to my first point. The media and certain politicians want us to pick a side and make everything about left and right, white and black rich and poor democrats and republicans etc. This is how they divide and conquer us. Wake up people! The President is not your enemy. They spin everything he says and does. They don't want us to know what it's like to have a real president because then it's game over for them.


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A GARAGE worker was locked in the office and assaulted by the bosses and one of their friends.
Blackburn magistrates heard the victim was hit with a metal roller and suffered a cut to the back of his head.
And he told police of his terror as he saw the door being locked and realised he was going to be attacked.
Ayaz Hussain, 28, of St James Road, Blackburn, and Feroz Suleman, 32, of Shear Brow, Blackburn, pleaded guilty to assaulting Usayn Hajee. They were both ordered to do 200 hours unpaid work and pay £100 compensation and £145 costs.
Suhayl Razak Suleman, 29, of Shear Brow, Blackburn, was convicted after a trial of the same charge. He was ordered to do 150 hours unpaid work and pay £50 compensation and £650 costs.
All three were made subject to a restraining order which bans them from having any contact with Mr Hajee for 12 months.
Catherine Allan, prosecuting, said Mr Hajee worked for RI Tyres which is run by the Suleman brothers.
He was at work when he received a call from a friend saying there was going to be some trouble.
Shortly after, his bosses and Hussain came into the office and Feroz Suleman told him to sit down and told Hussain to lock the door. He then demanded to know if Mr Hajee had been saying things about his sister.
Miss Allan said: "He then played a recording of Mr Hajee saying something derogatory about his sister."
She said Suleman was punched on the temple, hit on the head with a battery charger and kicked by Suhayl Suleman. Hussain threw a metal roller and a metal tool at the aggrieved and both hit him on the head.
Miss Allan said Feroz Suleman said: "That was nothing, I didn't go full force. If you go to the police I will kill you."
Graeme Parkinson, defending, said the Suleman's sister was 36 and was rebuilding her life after a divorce. Hajee, in drink, had been saying things which were very damaging.
He said: "That upset the brothers and Mr Hussain was brought into it because he was being accused of having an affair with the sister. They went to speak to him but these are not violent men."


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Nippon Ichi's unique dungeon defence series, variously known as Holy Invasion of Privacy Badman, What Did I Do To Deserve This My Lord, and No Heroes Allowed, will grace Vita's Japanese launch with combination freeware game and personal scheduler.
Rumour: NGP Holy Invasion of Privacy title in the works
The series formerly known as Holy Invasion of Privacy, Badman! (later retitled as What Did I Do To Deserve This, My Lord? and No Heroes Allowed!) may well be on its way to NGP, if we can believe a tweet from, uh, one of the game's primary characters.
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Sony updated the European end of the PS Store today, and like the US end, there's some God of War madness going around. That's not all though, Badman is back and he has brought his daughter Badmella to work with him in No Heroes Allowed, the third-installment in the Holy Invasion of Privacy, Badman series, […]
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It's amazing how cheap these polishes are. If it wasn't for the horrible smell, I'd say they could as well be in the same range as China Glaze polishes. And that says a lot. Well, I can most honestly say that they're way better than any OPI nail polish I've ever tried. But I don't like OPI ('cause they're waaaaay overpriced for the quality you get) and I think you all knew that by now. ;)
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