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News & Announcements - June 2013
AUWCL and RFK Center to Hold Annual Human Rights Training
AUWCL and the Robert F. Kennedy Center for Justice and Human Rights are accepting applications for their annual Training Program on International Human Rights Protection Mechanisms in Florence, Italy. The Program, to be held Sept. 9-14, brings together activists and practitioners to strengthen their capacity to access and utilize human rights procedures, standards, and mechanisms. MORE More
Panel to Analyze U.S. Supreme Court Decisions on DOMA and Prop 8
On Thursday at noon in room 603, join AUWCL's constitutional law experts for a discussion of the DOMA and Prop 8 decisions. Speakers include Professors Macarena Saez, Daniel Marcus, William Yeomans, Jamin Raskin, Stephen Wermiel, and former Visiting Professor Amy Dillard. RSVP or view the live webcast.
Dean Grossman Participates in Vienna+20 Human Rights Conference
On June 27-28, Dean Claudio Grossman, in his role as chair of the UN Committee against Torture and chair of the UN Treaty Bodies in Human Rights, participated in the "Vienna+20: Advancing the Protection of Human Rights" international expert conference. This conference was held in Vienna Hofburg, Austria, on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of the World Conference on Human Rights and is organized by the Austrian Federal Ministry for European and International Affairs in cooperation with the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.
Alumnus Ronald Karp '72 Hosts Reception
Ronald '72 and Susan Karp will host an alumni reception at their home in Montgomery County, MD on June 22 to acquaint classmates with plans for the new law campus at Tenley. Dean Claudio Grossman will give remarks.
The Honorable Richard Thornburgh to Speak at AUWCL
The Honorable Richard Thornburgh, former U.S. attorney general and governor of Pennsylvania, will deliver a presentation at AUWCL on June 24 at 11:45 a.m. Thornburgh, a sought-after consultant on efforts to battle fraud and corruption, will discuss "The Global Effort to Contain Official Corruption." The event is sponsored by the U.S. and International Anti-Corruption Law Summer Program. RSVP
New Voting Rights Law Institute, June 24-27
As part of the Summer Institute on Law and Government, AUWCL and The Campaign Legal Center and will launch a new Voting Rights Law Institute to help train the next generation of voting rights litigators. The four-night Institute June 24-27 will feature instruction from Gerry Hebert, the Campaign Legal Center's executive director and director of litigation, who will be joined each night by seasoned voting rights litigators, appellate advocates, and scholars in the field. MORE More
Local Young Alumni Event Held Wednesday, June 19
The Office of Development and Alumni Relations and host committee of Wala Blegay '11, Laurie Monahan '12, and Emily O'Neill '12 will celebrate summer at a young alumni event at the Portrait Gallery and Ruth's Chris Steak House on Wednesday evening. More than 100 local alumni are expected to attend.
Latin America/U.S. M&A Trends, Trade, and Regulation Forum
AUWCL and Thomson Reuters will host the "Latin America/U.S. M & A Trends, Trade, and Regulation Forum 2013," co-chaired by alumnus Thomas Morante '77 (Holland & Knight) and José Eduardo Carneiro Queiroz (Mattos Filhos). The two-day program held June 20-21 examines the growing Latin American deal and investment landscape, and provides an understanding of legal and regulatory dynamics driving business and mergers and acquisitions in Latin America. REGISTER More
New Tenley Campus Groundbreaking
American University Washington College of Law broke ground on a new home at the historic Tenley Campus in a ceremony June 12, hosted by AU President Cornelius Kerwin and Dean Claudio Grossman. The eight-acre Tenley Campus site will provide a permanent home for AUWCL and enhance its rich tradition of innovation, excellence, and passion for the rule of law in the U.S. and beyond. MORE More
New Tenley Campus Groundbreaking, June 12
American University Washington College of Law will break ground on a new home at the historic Tenley Campus in a ceremony Wednesday, June 12, hosted by AU President Cornelius Kerwin and Dean Claudio Grossman. Students, alumni, faculty, staff, and friends of the law school will attend. The eight-acre Tenley Campus site will provide a permanent home for AUWCL and enhance its rich tradition of innovation, excellence, and passion for the rule of law in the U.S. and beyond. MORE More
AUWCL and NAACP-LDF Host Conference on Race and Civil Rights in 2013
On Thursday, the law school and the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund will co-host the first of a dynamic two-part conference on "Race and Civil Rights in 2013." The first program will be held at AUWCL, and will bring together some of the nation's leading civil rights and racial justice advocates. MORE More
Academy of Human Rights and ASIL Present Speaker Series
The Human Rights Speaker Series is being held this month at AUWCL, presented by The Academy of Human Rights and Humanitarian Law and American Society of International Law (ASIL). The series includes three panels of high-profile speakers, covering such topics as "The Prosecution of Gender-Based Crimes by International Courts" (June 12). Read MORE about the Speaker Series and other Human Rights Month panels.
Alumni Brunch Held Prior to Virginia Bar Association Swearing-In
Congratulations to AUWCL alumni being sworn in to the Virginia Bar on Monday, June 3. The Office of Development & Alumni Relations will host a brunch prior to the ceremony, from 10:30 a.m. - noon at the Richmond Convention Center. For more information, email firstname.lastname@example.com.
Panel and Book Launch: The Oxford Handbook of Modern Diplomacy
The Program on International Organizations, Law and Diplomacy will host a panel discussion June 4 at 4:30 p.m. on the challenges of multilateralism on the occasion of the launch of The Oxford Handbook of Modern Diplomacy. Panelists include experts in the field of diplomatic studies and international organization affairs. MORE More
Alumnus Tom Goldstein's SCOTUSblog Receives Peabody Award
SCOTUSblog, a blog covering the U.S. Supreme Court published by alumnus Tom Goldstein '95, and edited by his wife, Amy Howe, has been honored with a Peabody Award for excellence in electronic media. This is the first time a website has received this honor. Professor Stephen Wermiel was also recognized as part of the SCOTUSblog team—he authors the website's "SCOTUS for law students" column.
AUWCL Welcomes Summer Program Participants
Each summer, students and practitioners gather from around the globe to experience intensive training at AUWCL that will give them a competitive advantage. The law school's specialized law programs began May 28 and run through July 28 and qualify for CLE and academic credit. The topics are cutting-edge, including world-reknowned programs in Human Rights and Humanitarian Law, International Commercial Arbitration, Environmental Law, and International Organizations Law and Diplomacy. MORE More


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Seagate Introduces NAS HDD: WD Red Gets a Competitorby Ganesh T S on 6/11/2013 8:01 AM EST
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joel4565 - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkI wonder if they actually did anything different with the drives or if it is the same drive with just a different firmware...
I am hoping to replace my Unraid server next year with a 8-10 drive FreeNAS ZFS box using Raidz2 in one of the lovely Nanoxia Deep Silence 1 cases, although I think that will only hold 8 drives as it ships.
I will have to see how these drives play out to decide if I use these or the WD Red drives. For those wondering I am probably going to switch from Unraid to FreeNAS because the speed is horrible in Unraid, especially the write speed unless you an unsecured cache drive. Unraid was quite nice at the time though because you can add capacity at any time and I didn't have the money to buy 8-10 drives all in one shot. Reply
JDG1980 - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkGood luck finding the Deep Silence 1 if you live in the US. Reply
brshoemak - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkWell, if he can't pick up a DS1 he could always look at the Fractal Design Define R4 or XL R2. Actually the R4 is current $80 on NewEgg after a promo code. Seems like another good option. But all the power to you if you can your DS1.
Side note, I am in the market for some non-enterprise NAS drives so this is of interest to me. I know the Reds have been around for awhile and there have been some quality issues, but there are zero points of reference for these Seagate drives. Decisions, decisions. Reply
sherlockwing - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkI would caution against buying R4 right now, that promo code signals that an R5 is due in a few month and stores are trying to clear their R4 stock. R4 debuted last year around July maybe wait a few weeks. Reply
Jumpman23 - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkIt's gotten to that price point before a couple of months ago. If R5 was to be out, they would've announced it at computex. Besides the R3 was made available 2 years before the R4 or so and the R4 has only been out around a year or slightly less than. Reply
brshoemak - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkWell, even if they release an R5 it can't be that groundbreaking compared to an R4 and I'm sure price-wise it would start out where the R4 started ($120). I actually just checked Amazon and they have it for $80 straight-up. The R4 is well worth it for my needs regardless, but I'll look forward to seeing what they can do with the R5. Reply
Dentons - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkThe R3 is better than most current cases. I wouldn't worry about the R5 being much more than a facelift on the R4. Reply
3DoubleD - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkYep, Unraid can be very slow (~20MB/s writes). As you alluded to, it is truly a budget alternative though. If you have the money to spend on the better hardware, FreeNAS looks like a better option if you desire better performance. That said, it doesn't look nearly as flexible in terms of adding storage. For me, I'll probably stick with Unraid for the time being. It is fast enough for home use. Reply
joel4565 - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkSpeed is not the only advantage of FreeNAS. I am considering the switch because of all of the ZFS awesomeness. Things like Raidz2/3 - having multiple parity drives, build in file checksums, encryption, etc. Although the encryption that FreeNAS has is not the ZFS method since Sun/Oracle stop sharing the source for ZFS after ZFS version 28. :(
I really wish ZFS would have been licensed differently so that is could be merged into the Linux kernel. Yes I know you can use ZFS with Linux, but not in a really good way. Reply
Rick83 - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkI just checked, there are kernel modules and source patches for the Linux kernel for ZFS. The only limitation that the licensing issue bring, is that you cannot distribute a ZFS patched Linux kernel.
Compiling your own kernel for a NAS is quite trivial, so patching ZFS into it shouldn't be too much of an issue. The Linux implementation should be based very closely on the native one, (C code after all) with just some minor changes to adapt to different treatment of block devices. Should be much faster than FUSE, which sounds what you are describing. While still not quite as fast as the native Unix version, the delta isn't as crippling as it used to be. I think I might give it a try for my backup array, some time. Reply
Guspaz - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkYou don't need to compile the kernel to use native ZFS on Linux. There are repositories for that (the package uses DKMS to compile the kernel module so that's all automatic, it even recompiles if you install a new kernel), so installing zfs is trivially easy. For example, on Ubuntu, I believe you just do:
# apt-add-repository --yes ppa:zfs-native/stable
# apt-get update
# apt-get install ubuntu-zfs
and that's it. Native kernel module ZFS is installed. Instructions for other distributions aren't all that different, I believe. Reply
Thermopyle - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkZFS on Linux is a great solution for ... wait for it ... using ZFS on Linux!
http://zfsonlinux.org/ Reply
extide - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkI have been running ZFS on Linux using the native built kernel modules method (not FUSE) and it has been great. Check out www.zfsonlinux.com. I am running in on Ubuntu server, so I am doing everything manually, but there is at least a PPA archive so you can install zfs with apt-get .. it really doesnt get much easier than that... Reply
AlexFeren - Thursday, June 13, 2013 - link> "ZFS ... doesn't look nearly as flexible in terms of adding storage"
You're correct, once a raidz zpool is created (consisting of a set of disks) it cannot accept additional disks. Reply
Dentons - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkIt's largely suspected that both these and WD's NAS drives are their cheapest commodity drives with slightly different firmware. They're no more or less reliable, but cost one hell of a lot more.
It's very difficult to recommend these for any home-use scenario. Just get the cheapest drives you can find. Even the drives that ship in external enclosures work fine in FreeNAS. It's very likely they're the same hardware. Reply
joel4565 - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkWhat about Time Limited Error Recovery (TLER)? Isn't it recommended to use TLER drives for ZFS? Or is there an option in FreeNAS to tell it to wait longer on the drive? Reply
Dentons - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkI've built a number of FreeNAS boxes with commodity drives. FreeNAS doesn't need TLER, but some users do flash new firmware. I haven't found any need to do so.
Most of the drives for the systems I built were pulled from external enclosures. The drives Seagate and WD package into external USB enclosures are much cheaper than their bare drives and seem to be mechanically identical.
When the Thai floods occurred, one nascent cloud vendor hit Costco's all over the country to buy up external enclosure drives before the prices really spiked. The hard-drives themselves are the same. Reply
bobbozzo - Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - linkFWIW, The external drives I have bought have often had only 1 or 2 year warranties, and the warranty is potentially voided if you open the case. Reply
Solandri - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkTLER is important for RAID because RAID will automatically jump to the conclusion that the drive is bad if it fails to respond within a certain amount of time (which is where TLER comes in), and drop the drive from the array.
ZFS does parity error checking on a per file basis. That is, if a drive fails to respond while reading a file, ZFS will mark the file as bad. (Actually it will also automatically heal the file, but that digresses into the goodness of ZFS over RAID). Only if it detects a pattern of failures indicative of a drive failure will it mark a drive as bad. A single delayed response while reading a file won't drop a drive. If your drive has TLER, it's generally recommended to turn it off with ZFS.
And even dropping a drive is not that big a deal for ZFS. I had to fiddle with an intermittent SATA cable for a couple months when I put together my ZFS box. It caused a drive to drop about once a week while I was tracking down the problem. Every time I fixed it, ZFS noticed the "new" drive had the original parity data on it and it simply used it. I did run a sync (called a scrub), which reads every file to check its integrity, That added parity data for the few files which were written while the drive was dropped. But all the other data on the dropped drive didn't need to be rewritten like it generally has to be with a RAID rebuild. That's because ZFS thinks of parity in terms of files, not in terms of drives like RAID does. Heck, if you want, you can create a parity-based ZFS volume on a single drive. It won't protect against a drive failure, but it would protect files against bit-rot on the drive. Reply
Guspaz - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkParity and checksums (and most everything else like snapshots and deduplication) in ZFS don't work on the file level, they work on the block level. It's possible that (especially with ZFS using dynamic block sizes) that your file fits entirely inside a single block, but it's not guaranteed. Reply
mavere - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkSPCR tested and concluded that WD's Red drives are the quietest, least vibration prone 3.5" drives available. As a plus, they consume less power and don't have the ridiculously aggressive and noisy headparking seen in 'green' drives.
As someone whose speed needs are taken care of by SSDs and who is more than willing to buy 2.5" disk drives just for the silence & efficiency, I can't imagine getting a non-Red (or at least a drive that's been proven to be competitive).
Honestly, flash-based storage is good enough for most workloads nowadays, so I think it's time for disk drives to do something useful by being neither seen nor heard. Reply
mercutiouk - Saturday, June 15, 2013 - linkThe thing is. While TLER is "bad" in a raid there's another angle to consider with it. If a drive DOESN'T respond in a reasonable time - that's probably a drive with a bad block having trouble reading.
Let's say another drive in the same array outright drops dead...
Come recovery time (using a raid 5 example here but it works with any raid method using a calculated parity and n-1 storage space) you try and rebuild the raid... that same bad block (hidden by the "NAS friendly" TLER setting) now means your array is toast. Reply
mercutiouk - Saturday, June 15, 2013 - linkI've been using a bunch of spinpoint F3's in a raid-5 for about.... 3 years without any issues. Assuming most consumer drives have a "drive head parking" setting (which they do) or outright "spin down" idle settings there's no real reason why a regular drive should struggle to do 24/7. Reply
Gigaplex - Monday, August 12, 2013 - linkThat's not how it's supposed to work. The TLER drive with the bad block will time out early, the RAID will detect this and try to repair it by writing the block again calculated from parity. If it's an isolated bad block the drive will remap the block to a good block. If it fails to write the block, the drive is then dropped. Reply
mrow - Tuesday, June 18, 2013 - linkJust an FYI, the next version of Unraid is going to include a feature that will allow you to use multiple disks/SSDs in a Btrfs "cache pool" which will provide for fault tolerance. Add two or three cheap laptop disks or SSDs and you'll get really high speed reads and writes that will also protect your data from disk failures before it's moved from the cache to the array. Reply
arthur449 - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkThe reason I don't buy/recommend Seagate drives in the last 5 years is because they 'fixed' the problems customers were having with drive reliability by cutting their product warranties down to 1 year from 3 - 5. They've recently bumped their warranties back up to 2 years on some drives.
Let's hope Seagate differentiates these drives with a compelling price point, at least a 3 year warranty, and a solid launch backed up by positive reviews. Reply
creed3020 - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkAgreed, warranty is everything when it comes to mechanical disk drives. Kudos to Seagate for bringing something to the table to compete with the WD Reds. The pricing is competitive but I may just go for the 4TB 7200rpm Seagate regardless for my Synology NAS drive upgrade. Reply
Dentons - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkLong drive warranties are just insurance policies. To buy a drive with double the warranty, you'll typically pay at least 50% more.
Consider the cheapest drives you can buy, with 1 year warranties. By the time that drive fails, on average, you'll typical be able to buy a brand new drive more cheaply than had you bought a drive with a longer warranty.
Buy 10 drives today for $1500 ($150 ea) or buy 10 drives today for $1000 ($100 ea). The average failure period of these drives (when kept in a well ventilated, stationary enclosure with stable power) will be the same, and is typically quite long. It's hard to say for sure, but my anecdotal guess would be 3 to 5 years of constant use. Some will fail earlier, some very much later.
At least one will probably fail in the 1-year warranty period, and that will be covered. How many will fail in the 2 years following the warranty expiration? Two? Three? Even if it's that many, they'll probably cost $75 in 2 years, $50 in 3.
For most users, long warranties just don't make a lot of economic sense. As far as I can tell, these NAS drives are just the cheap commodity drives with slightly different firmware and an insurance policy. Unless you really need TLER, go with the cheaper drives. Reply
joel4565 - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkI have been using only WD for my spinning drives for the past few years. I have been lucky and haven't had a drive failure in several years with my Unraid box. The last drive I had fail was a Segate 320 GB drive several years ago. Reply
lurker22 - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkSeagate is an instant pass. Decade ago they were great, then they purchase a slew of low quality HDD manufacturers (i.e. Maxtor) and their quality went through the toilet. All my seagates have had problems, not one problem with WD. As always your experience will vary, Reply
Dentons - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkIn my experience, the overall quality differences between Seagate and WD are very small. Both brands have lemons, if you've personally been burned by one brand or the other, you're not going to be happy. But that doesn't mean that brand is worse or better, it only means you were unlucky.
There is no "Consumer Reports" for hard drive quality, so nearly everything written about either manufacturer is anecdotal. The drive recovery techs I know say they don't see any major quality difference between the brands, and I believe them. Google said much the same in their now-dated hard drive analysis paper.
From my experience, what really kills drives is keeping them in those terrible fanless external enclosures (like the ones sold by WD and Seagate), moving them around, and not keeping them isolated from power spikes. Reply
Solandri - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkActually, there is a "Consumer Reports" of HDD quality.
Unfortunately, it's not widely known, you need to submit a data point to get access to the database, and the site has dropped in popularity over the last 5 years so data on current drives is very sparse (as in useless because they won't show statistics until they get a large enough data set).
But back in the late 1990s/early 2000s it offered some fascinating insight into HDD quality. The most important being that brand doesn't really matter. Yeah some brands tended to be somewhat better than others (e.g Quantum was one of the best, with nearly all their drives scoring above the 50th percentile).
But every manufacturer had lemons and all-stars. In other words, the model of the drive mattered a lot more than the manufacturer. The IBM 75GXP (aka the deathstars) were some of the least reliable drives in the survey. But the model that replaced it was one of the most reliable. Reply
Dentons - Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - linkI think my statement stands. If the site has been mostly worthless for half a decade, it's no "Consumer Reports" for hard drives.
One gathers the large data center operators have all this data and more, but they're not sharing. Not that it really seems to matter. There are only two major manufacturers left, and they seem to be producing quite similar hardware, both in features and longevity. Reply
KITH - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkThey have since also bought quality manufacturers (Samsung) so their quality should be going up. Reply
wbwb - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkThere's no mention anywhere of the warranty on these drives. Do we assume they'll match Western Digital Red's 3 years, or the rest of their own lineup's 1-2 years? Reply
MadAd - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - link8760 Power on Hours/24 = 365 days. So what happens after 1 year? Reply
Chicken76 - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkGood question! I too would like to know the answer. Reply
ElvenLemming - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkA quick Google search found me this Seagate article: http://enterprise.media.seagate.com/2010/04/inside...
My interpretation of that is that power-on hours is simply an assumption used to calculate other reliability metrics (on that post, it was used to calculate AFR). However, given that this table doesn't list AFR, I'm not sure exactly why they would list power-on hours. Hopefully someone else understands this better. Reply
KITH - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkThey don't expect these drives to see 24/7 use. They are not rating them for heavy enterprise level workloads. Reply
wbwb - Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - linkSeagate does expect 24x7 use, they say so on their website which is linked at the bottom of the article. Reply
bsd228 - Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - linkif you look at the non NAS models, they list 2400 hours. This figure is what they suggest should be the annual usage (8 hours per day) for the claimed reliability. It's a goofy spec to list. You can (and I do) read that as a lack of confidence in running it 7x24. With this new line, they're giving an annual use expectation of 7x24. I have been waiting for a 4tb Red. We'll see if it exists by the time I next need some drives. Currently I'm using a large batch of 2s. Could cut it in half or double my storage with the next generation. Reply
atomt - Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - linkThey recently removed TLER from their standard consumer drives, and are now selling it at a premium and giving the feature a fancy marketing name. Same as WD did some years ago. Likely the same drives for the most part, even same firmware, with just some config bits flipped.
yay duopolies. Reply
Dentons - Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - linkThere are firmware updates available to flash TLER firmwares onto Seagate consumer drives.
Of course, Seagate doesn't make it easy to determine which firmware is compatible with which drives. Nor does Seagate list these firmwares in any easy to find location.
More oddly, there doesn't seem to be a vibrant online community discussing these updates in any great detail. One has to Google drive model numbers and hunt around user forums.
My consumer drives aren't giving me any problems in the multiple FreeNAS systems I've built. I'm not going to fix something that's not broken. If I do start having problems with dropped drives, I'll definitely try the firmware updates. Reply
zlandar - Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - linkThe 4TB drives are interesting to me. I have four 2TB drives in RAID-5. In less than two years I have quickly run low on storage from all the movies/TV shows recorded to it. Might jump on these if they go on sale. The regular Seagate 4TB drives have been as low as $150.
I have a mix of mostly WD and a few Seagate/Samsung drives. I have had two drives die on me which were WD. WD is great about replacing the drives. Both instances they gave me an upgraded version of the drive with a higher capacity under warranty. Reply
Hrel - Thursday, June 13, 2013 - linkRemember when you guys reported on Seagate making a density breakthrough and talked about 6TB hard drives. That was at least a year ago, so what's up with that? I want to be able to buy 2 6TB hdd's for a total of $300. Looking like that's gonna take another 2 years at this point... Reply
thenew3 - Thursday, June 20, 2013 - linkSeagate drives are the most unreliable drives ever. I'm speaking from 10+ years of datacenter management experience. My current datacenter has over 800TB of storage ranging from 100GB SLC SSD through 4TB 7.2krpm NLSAS drives (basically SATA drives with a SAS interface on it). We have HD's from Hitachi, Toshiba, WD, Seagate, and Fujitsu. For some reason (maybe cost) our SAN vendors tend to use seagate drives the most. about 75% of all our drives are seagate. We typically see around a 5% failure rate among seagate drives, while all of the other brands combined is less than 0.5%.
For example in one SAN with 16 Seagate 1TB NLSAS drives, over the last 1.5 years, 6 of those drives have failed. While in another SAN with 48 1TB NLSAS Hitachi drives that have been running for over 6 years, only 2 drives have failed in that 6+ year period. Same capacity, same speed drives, same operating environment, same work load, yet seagate has 6 out of 16 fail within 1.5 years while hitachi has 2 out of 48 fail within 6+ years.
That's just one example, but overall, seagate drives have a 10x or higher failure rate than other manufacturers based on my experience.
Our SAN vendor has recently switched to toshiba drives. So far out of the dozen or so toshiba drives, none have failed. the oldest one has been running 24x7 for a year now. Reply

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It is very wrong to call atheists mentally ill. Allah does not say that atheists are mentally ill in the Qur'an. An atheist may not believe. He says so openly: "I do not believe," he says; he first may have believed and then changed, and now does not believe. He may enter various states of mind as a believer. There may be communists in a country, and fascists, and Satanists. We cannot interfere in their beliefs. Someone may be a Satanist. That is what he believes, and he likes it. He may be a Christian, a Jew, a Buddhist or a worshiper of idols.
It is absolutely wrong for us to speak of atheists in an insulting way. In addition, that is of no use to anyone. On the contrary, if insults are used, then people may get the impression that is what Muslims think of atheists. Many people do not know the Qur'an. According to the Qur'an, everyone can espouse his own beliefs. In addition, atheists behave honestly. They do not hide their beliefs and are not hypocritical. An atheist openly states, "I do not believe." In other words, it poses no danger. You know what he believes and you behave accordingly. The other is more dangerous, isn't it? Someone says, "I am a Muslim," and he enters in among your friends and family and conceals his true self but he is an atheist or a satanist. Which is better, that or being honest?
Even if that person insults believers, there is still no need to respond in kind. One must call the person to Islam and the Qur'an with kind words.
Allah reveals in the Qur'an how Muslims should treat polytheists (those who ascribe partners to Him).
"If any of the polytheists ask you for protection, give them protection until they have heard the words of Allah. Then convey them to a place where they are safe", says Allah. 'Protect their lives, possessions, honor and decency. Withdraw after you convey them to a safe place', He says. He tells Muslims to protect unbelievers even at the cost of their own lives.
I have many friends and acquaintances. I had Maoist and communist friends at school. They were very polite and well-mannered. They did not believe. People may not believe. One friend of mine was a communist with the full parka kit and everything. But then he said, 'I changed at the academy under the influence of Adnan Hodja' and became a Muslim, Alhamdulillah.
Nobody can be pressured into becoming a Muslim. One must talk to them with love and affection: They are also servants of Allah. Most of our teachers were Marxists in those days. There were people who were famous writers, and respected philosophers. They held Marxist views in those days but now they are devout believers, Alhamdulillah. People may not be devout though, but we still respect them. That is the whole idea. 'This is what I think,' they say. Allah says in the Qur'an that there are atheists, fire-worshipers and polytheists. In one verse He tells people to say, 'Your religion for you, and our religion for us.' Allah also says, 'There is no compulsion in religion.'
Various defects have arisen in the fundamentalist conception of Islam; nonsense that has no place in it has been added to the faith. There are some terrifying things said in various works containing such nonsense. One week, someone who shaves his beard is killed. People who do not pray are killed in three of the sects. In the Hanafi sect they are beaten until the blood flows; then they are to be killed only if they still persist. None of these things are in the essence of the Qur'an. They are perverse beliefs instilled in the sects by the fundamentalist mindset. If someone who supports these things says, 'Islam is affectionate' then those who do not know the true nature of Islam will not believe him. Yet Allah says. 'There is no compulsion in religion.' But some fundamentalists who think along those lines favor oppression and compulsion. Allah says, 'There is no compulsion in religion.' Do you not believe what Allah says? 'I do not believe,' such a person says. 'I have found things out for myself,' he says. Then that behavior flies in the face of Islam and the Qur'an. That is what people with a fundamentalist mindset pretend not to understand.
You have added fabrications and inventions to Allah's religion. See what they have turned such a radiant faith as Islam into! Then they say, 'Islam is a religion of peace.' Of course Islam is a religion of peace. But is what you describe, filled with nonsense, a religion of peace? What you describe is savagery. You talk of savagery. You do not speak of the religion of the Qur'an. You have established a fabricated faith; you then add provisions from your own head that you say are Islam. You should espouse the pure Islam based on the Qur'an. You should scrupulously abide by Allah's commands. But if something does not suit them, may Allah forbid, they say, 'No, Allah has revoked this.' You have lost your senses. How can a verse of the Qur'an cease to apply? The Qur'an is valid until the Day of Reckoning.
But of course we must try to put such people right, without being angry at them. All Muslim communities in the world must be warm and loving. Muslims must hold meetings and conferences. We have fine young man and women. We must preach Islam in Lebanon and Syria and everywhere. If we make a real effort on that, the disorder in the Middle East will come to an end at once. There is no need for threats and harshness and conflict.
They must all espouse the peaceful side of Islam. The fundamentalists misrepresent Islam. In fact, by Allah's leave, Islam defends itself. The Qur'an will defend itself: But we need to win everyone over right away and we cannot get anywhere by excluding and despising people who are misinformed. (Adnan Oktar, 24 May 2013: A9 TV)
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dtp883 wrote:You rarely offer proof.
Just because a group of related ideas have words with similar consonants, doesn't mean that they evolved from some far out cultural symbols—especially from symbols important to cultures one, two, or three civilizations away.
For clarification, you believe that the word for what we call peas originates from a Near East culture, that considered peas to be bird dung (pee), and that word was taken from this culture's language, into Greek, then into Latin, and into Old English as pease and made singular by being changed to pea. This word just happened to sound similar to the word piss which came from French, most likely after 1066, which came from Vulgar Latin and is most likely Germanic. Because of this homophonic (sp?) coincidence, English holds this same, supposed, symbology. Right?
Piss onomonopoetically represents urinating. The French did not suddenly realize, in 1066, that piss sounded like urinating. It is one of the most ancient of words and Greek speakers have decided they created it.
Not only do I have homophonic coincidence but proof of (a) edible bean held in high regard translated as "Dove's Droppings" (b) Cicer = son of Dove (chick) (c) piss however you want to spell it is the root of pisen and pisen is plural of piss.
English does not have same symbology. You know it and are throwing red herring.


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In last week's cover story, I talked with members of the Dallas chapter of the affinity group Out@NBCUniversal, a collective of LGBT employees and straight allies. In it, they talk about how the network has been a sort of work-topia for queer employees and how diversity is encouraged without reservation.
Due to space constraints I couldn't get more in from members Lauren Wheat and Matthew Simpson, but they had a lot to say about what the group means to them. Simpson, with NBC strategic marketing, and his partner Murad Kirdar, both work for the company. Simpson talked about his reasons for joining the group.
"I joined for a couple of reasons," Simpson said. "First, I felt it was important for me, as an openly gay employee, to represent Dallas-Fort Worth within the larger footprint of Out@NBCUniversal. While there are thousands of members all across the country, from New York to Los Angeles, the DFW chapter was fairly young and had so much potential to make a difference. Getting involved was the best possible way to for me to help elevate the visibility of the Chapter and learn how other Chapters work to attract, recruit and retain great LGBT talent.
"Second, I'd have to say my partner of 17 years, Murad. While we didn't meet at NBCUniversal, we now work just 50 feet from each other. As you know, Murad is co-chair of the DFW chapter and I was very excited to see him step up and embrace a leadership role. His excitement, passion and desire to lead on LGBT issues in the community is the reason so many LGBT and straight ally co-workers have joined the chapter."


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Five Great Comic Book Adaptations Of Movies (And One That's Just Really Cool But Kind of Terrible)
Back before the VHS tape made it possible to watch the movies you wanted when you wanted (as long as Blockbuster had a copy in stock), movie novelizations and comic book adaptations of films were some of the only options fans had when it came to reliving a movie they wanted on-demand. While the majority of these were rightly viewed as cash-ins that let comics companies float on someone else's success, there were the occasional pieces of work that proved to be something more. For example, Marvel's off-model, six-part Star Wars adaptation proved to be so popular in the summer of 1977 that many credit it for helping the company pull out of a fiscal free-fall, even as it acted as a bog-standard 1970s Marvel book in a lot of ways.
Now that we can watch Magic Mike on our phones any time we want, comic adaptations can seem like a quaint throwback. However, some of them are legitimate pieces of comic history in their own right, providing an alternate look at our favorite films even as they gave a few comic creators the chance to play with the medium in a new way. In this piece, we take a look at five of them, including long lost work by Jack Kirby, Jim Steranko, Walt Simonson, Kyle Baker and Bill Sienkiewicz and more.


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Unless you're a die hard Victoria's Secret fan, which there probably are a lot of you (if you can fit in their lingerie), then you might not have known that they sell shoes and other stuff too. Yes, they do. And it's not just their brand either. I went online looking for bright colored flats and came across a whole bunch of styles that I think you might like.
Bad news, they don't have a wide widths section and I'm not 100% about the Victoria's Secret brand fit. But, I did see brands like Kelsi Dagger, Report, Lucky Brand, Steven by Steve Madden, Dolce Vita, and more. Take a peek shoe lovers. xoxo


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SCORES of motorists were stranded by heavy snow in North Yorkshire – as weathermen predicted further falls today, even on lower ground for a while.
Police said they received reports of dozens of vehicles being temporarily stranded yesterday afternoon on a section of the A169 Pickering to Whitby road on the North York Moors, between Saltersgate hill and Blue Bank at Sleights.
Press photographer Anthony Chappel-Ross, who went on to the Moors to photograph the snowy scenes for the newspaper, said he saw about a hundred cars stranded at one point, and was himself unable to leave the area for a time.
Traffic was also very slow on the A64 between York and Malton during the evening rush hour.
North Yorkshire County Council said its snowploughs were out clearing about four inches of snow in hilly areas, and were due to go out gritting again last night and from 5am this morning.
Forecasters predicted rain and hill snow would sweep across North Yorkshire today after a frosty, icy start, with the rain preceded by snow at lower levels.
With further frosts and icy roads expected over coming days, City of York Council, North Yorkshire Police and the Environment Agency joined forces to issue a safety message to all residents and road users to exercise caution following the recent flooding.
They warned that flooding and surface water were still affecting isolated areas in and around York, which would be prone to difficult and icy conditions as temperatures plunged.
An Environment Agency spokesman said: "The cold snap may easily turn this into sheets of ice and whether we're walking or driving we need to be very careful, to be aware of temperatures and to watch our footing and our speed."
Inspector Vicky Taylor, of North Yorkshire Police's Roads Policing Group, said: "If your route is affected by snow or ice, the first thing you need to consider is whether or not your journey is actually necessary.
"If it isn't essential and alternative work or personal arrangements can be made, then don't go – simple as that.
"If you have no choice and have to travel in wintry weather, it is vital to give yourself more time, take extra care and adjust your driving to the conditions.
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THERE are not many married couples who reach their platinum anniversary, but Beryl and Arthur Steady will be celebrating this landmark on Sunday (April 13).
Mr and Mrs Steady, who live in Whitborn Close, are both keen members of the Salvation Army and still attend the Malvern Citadel in Newtown Road regularly.
In fact, it was the Salvation Army which brought them together, during the Second World War. Mr Steady, who was born in Essex, had joined the Royal Air Force and had been posted to RAF Madley, near Hereford.
"We've both been lifelong Salvationists, and Arthur came into Hereford to the Salvation Army there, " said Mrs Steady. "I was born in Hereford, and that's how we met and started courting."
The couple were married on April 13, 1944, but could only spend two days together. "All the armed forces were building up to D-Day, so we couldn't have a honeymoon," said Mrs Steady.
At the RAF base, Mrs Steady was the Morse code instructor and also, thanks to his Salvation Army background, the bandmaster. And when the war was won, he led the victory parade through Hereford.
When peacetime came, Mr Steady got a job with the Audit Commission. During his civil service career, he was based at Morden in South London, Worcester, Cardiff and Aylesbury, and he and his wife raised their three sons.
And when it was time for Mr Steady to retire, they settled in Malvern, where they have remained ever since. Mr Steady still plays the tenor horn in the Salvation Army band and can often be seen with the band in various community activities around Malvern.
And the secret of a happy marriage? "No couple can agree on everything all the time, so to get on, you just have to agree to disagree now and then," said Mrs Steady.
Mr and Mrs Steady, who are now aged 92 and 89, will be marking the occasion on Sunday with a family gathering including their sons, three grandchildren and five great-grandchildren.


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Robert Kirby is on vacation. This is a reprint of an earlier column.
Forget your college degrees, blue-collar know-how and family business connections.
Robert Kirby is on vacation. This is a reprint of an earlier column.
Forget your college degrees, blue-collar know-how and family business connections.
There are only three kinds of jobs, all of them defined by just one thing: vacation.
Not just going on vacation. All people occasionally need to take time off from work, if nothing more than to remember that they have families. The real qualifier of a job is coming home from vacation.
First, there is the job you can't wait to get home to. Vacation was nice and the kids had fun, but truthfully it was just a distraction that took you away from what you would really rather be doing.
This sounds like the perfect job. It would be, if the people with these kinds of jobs didn't end up divorced a lot or on medication to regulate a serious personality flaw.
Then there's the possibility that the job you are so eager to get back to also happens to involve other people who don't want you to come home. Maybe it's because they work for you. If it's because you work for them, you're in a lot of trouble.
Next is the job you don't want to come home to. Vacation is certainly nice but, let's face it, sometimes vacations are a lot more work than work. I've crawled home broke and maimed from these.
Only a fool wants to stop having fun, so a certain reluctance to head back to the grind is understandable. But what we're talking about here runs much deeper.
I remember the first time I hated coming back to the police department from a trip to Canada. Blew my mind. Being a cop was what I had always wanted to do. Heck, it was all my family knew how to do. Why wouldn't I want to go back?
There I was driving south and dreading going back to something I worked hard to become. I wanted to stay gone.
If not on vacation, then doing something anything else.
That was my first inkling that I had a bad job. Not a job that didn't need doing, mind you, but rather a job that didn't need doing by me.
I can't prove it, but I bet that most career changes, indeed most letters of resignation, are begun in the waning days of a vacation. Although it took years before I found something else to do, I started writing that one on the way home from Canada.
The best kind of job is one that suits you so well that you don't mind going back to it. Sure, it was fun fishing or skiing or whatever, but now it's time to head back and do what you also enjoy: work.
As we got on the plane to come home, I wanted my wife to know where I was mentally with going back to work. She's had to live through the jobs I couldn't wait to get back to and the ones I hated. I told her that I had a good job.
"Yes, you do," she replied. "An idiot hired to provoke other idiots. It's perfect."
OK, there are four kinds of vacations. The fourth kind is called a separate vacation.
Robert Kirby can be reached at firstname.lastname@example.com or facebook.com/stillnotpatbagley.


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Part 7 - Final Touches and Rendering
It's time to Finish up your project. You'll start by fine tuning your composition using adjustment layers. Then you'll adjust the timing of various transitions to sync better to music. Finally you'll learn how to render out your finished video as a standalone file.


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With two decades of TV and film roles behind him, Anthony Lewis is a familiar face to many.
Now the Horsforth-born actor is to star in a TV comedy, which will fulfil the dreams of a joiner and plumber who have turned writer and assistant producer.
Anthony, 29, began acting as a child, and was followed into the business by his younger brother, Matthew, who went on to find fame as Neville Longbottom in the Harry Potter films.
And while his brother may have won worldwide recognition as part of the Potter phenomenon, Anthony has hardly been a slouch.
He began his acting career at the age of nine and has appeared in many popular TV series, including Heartbeat, A Touch of Frost and Cracker. More recently he played Marc Reynolds in Emmerdale for four years, as well as roles in Torchwood and The Syndicate.
Now the actor, who lives in London, is returning to Yorkshire to appear in Make It Plumb, a new comedy based on a firm of builders.
The pilot episode of the series, which is the brainchild of writer Andrew Dorree, 31, and assistant producer Gavin O'Malley, 34, will be filmed in the spring. But the cast are already working on a series of smaller shoots to produce introductory sketches of three to four minutes.
Anthony said: "Andrew has been in the trade a long time and this is something that is his baby. It is kind of loosely based on his own experiences."
For Anthony, whose family still live in Horsforth, the filming in Yorkshire is a welcome chance to return home.
"My family and friends are still in Leeds, so it's quite nice to go up there," he said. "The last time I was filming up there was The Syndicate with the BBC."
The sketches, which were being filmed at the weekend, will be screened on freeview channel Made in Leeds TV later this year.


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Spotted turtles are native to the Southeastern United States. They inhabit bogs (swamp like areas), but can also be found in fresh still water. The spotted turtle is endangered due to habitat loss and the constant threat of being collected and placed into the pet trade. However, we are lucky enough to have these little creatures hatching and thriving here at the Zoo and in other zoos around the country.
In the month of December, the Oakland Zoo welcomed a few more spotted turtles to the family, and another just last week on January 31, 2013. Wayne and Gladys Valley Children's Zoo Herp and Invert Keeper Adam Fink, fills us in about the most recent hatchlings as well as shares more facts about the spotted turtle.
A spotted turtle egg is about the size of a large grape, and unlike bird eggs that need to be rotated during incubation, reptile eggs must be kept in the same position as they were laid. This is because the embryo orients itself in the egg and turning the egg during this time could do much damage and kill the tiny turtle. Keepers are able to make an educated guess on whether the hatchling is male or female based on the temperature at which eggs are incubated. Females will result to warmer temperatures and males in cooler temperatures. "Like crocodilians, turtles can communicate to each other through the egg cases. This is why both species will have mass hatchings in the wild. The turtles or crocodilians will let each other know when they are ready to hatch and they all start hatching together. This is so that there is a better chance that at least some of the hatchlings will make it to the safety of the water," says Adam.
Another interesting fact that Keeper Adam shared with us is that turtles, like all egg laying species, have egg yolks, which serve as nutrients for the developing embryo. However, unlike other eggs, the yolk is on the outside of the shell. The bottom of the shell has a small slit where the turtle comes out when ready to hatch. Once it hatches, the turtle will absorb the yolk sac, which in turn will close up that slit. If needed, the baby turtle can live off of the absorbed yolk for up to a few weeks.
Fink says the Oakland Zoo had about twenty spotted turtles hatch on site, with some continuing to live in our exhibit and some that have gone to join other zoos accredited by AZA, which is the Association of Zoos and Aquariums. Eight of the thirteen currently on exhibit have been born here at the Zoo.


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Sell-side analysts on Wall Street are anticipating that Visa Inc. (NYSE:V) will report earnings of $0.8 per share when the company issues their quarterly report today. This is the consensus EPS number according to data from Zack's Research. Visa Inc. (NYSE:V) posted earnings of $0.69 for the same period a year ago which ended on 2016-06-30.
Leading up to the next earnings announcements investors should pay close attention to the analysts sentiment on the stock and which direction they are revising their estimates. Over the past 6 months 11 sell-side analysts have lowered their long term earnings per share estimates on the stock. During that same period 1 analysts have increased their earnings expectations for the firm. So what does this mean? Typically if a large percentage of analysts lower their revisions, the company is more likely to disappoint the Street. If a large number of brokerage firms increase estimates prior to earnings, the company is more likely to impress with their numbers.
Investors will be paying close attention to how the estimated EPS differs from the actual earnings number. Most recently Visa Inc. (NYSE:V) posted a surprise factor of 8.86%. The actual number was $0.07 away from the Zacks consensus immediately prior to the actual release. A significant surprise factor can lead to stock volatility and swings in the share price in the hours and days following the earnings report.
Projected Stock Movement
Research brokerage firms covering shares of Visa Inc. (NYSE:V) are anticipating on a consensus basis that the stock will reach $102.875 within the next 52 weeks. Of the analysts providing short term targets, the most bullish analyst has a $122 target on the stock. On the other end, the most conservative has a short term target of $87.5. This is based on the 20 analysts taken into consideration by Zacks. The consensus price target was last revised on 2017-07-18.
Each of the 20 covering analysts have also provided a Buy, Sell or Hold recommendation on the stock. As of 2017-07-19, 17 have a Strong Buy rating on the stock, 3 have a Buy rating, 2 have a Hold rating and 0 have a Sell or Strong Sell. Taking a look back three months ago to compare sentiment, at that time 16 had a Strong Buy, 2 had a Buy, 3 had a Hold and 0 had a sell rating.
Zacks also provides a simplified scale for analyst recommendations. They use a one to five scale where they translate brokerage firm Buy/Sell/Hold recommendations into an average broker rating. A low number in the 1-2 range typically indicates a Buy, 3 represents a Hold and 4-5 represents a consensus Sell rating. Visa Inc. (NYSE:V) currently has an ABR of 1.3 heading into today's announcement. This number is also based on the 20 sell-side firms polled by Zacks
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Anyway, I am using Ecplise Kepler, installed all the PyDev stuff with it, however, as I am trying to write out a simple program, I keep getting errors, resulting me unable to execute the program at all.
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from PyQt4 import QtGui
from PyQt4 import QtCore
import sys
class Form(QDialog):
def __init__(self, parent = None):
testlabel = QLabel('Test01')
testCombo = QComboBox('Combo Box')
buttonBox = ButtonBox(QDialogButtonBox.Ok| QDialogButtonBox.Cancel)
grid = QGridLayout()
grid.addWidget(testCombo, 0,1)
grid.addWidget(buttonBox, 2,0,1,2)
def main():
app = sys.argv
form = Form()
if __name__ == '__main__':
In Eclipse, the QDialog, and all the wordings with the alphabet Q in it, are underlined in red, with the error message stating that it is not being defined and hence un-executable.
So either this means, I am writing it wayyyy wrong or there are some settings that I need to tweak in Eclipse for it to work?
Can someone help me?


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Lynn Hoffman (born September 10, 1924 in Paris, France)[1], ACSW, is an American social worker, family therapist, author and historian of family therapy. Her mother, Ruth Reeves (1892-1966) was a painter and Art Deco textile designer. She graduated summa cum laude in English Literature in 1946 from Radcliffe and after editing psychiatric works, she started MSW studies in 1969 and specialized in family therapy.[2]
Originally a systems-strategic theorist and therapist, she has since become a proponent of post-systems/post-modern/collaborative approaches. She has been an editor of Family Process and Journal of Marital and Family Therapy. Until her retirement in 2000, she had for many years been on the faculty of the Ackerman Institute and the Smith College School of Social Work. At present she is a lecturer at Saint Joseph College in West Hartford, Connecticut.[3]
- Haley, J. & Hoffman, L. (1967; 1994). Techniques of family therapy. New York: Basic Books. (1994 printing – Northvale, NJ: Aronson.)
- Hoffman, L. (1981). Foundations of Family Therapy: A Conceptual Framework for Systems Change. New York: Basic Books.
- Hoffman, L. (1985). Beyond power and control: Toward a "second order" family systems therapy. Family Systems Medicine. 3: 381-396.
- Hoffman, L. (1990). Constructing Realities: An Art of Lenses. Family Process. 29 (1) 1–12.
- Hoffman, L. (1991). A reflective stance for family therapists. Journal of Strategic and Systemic Therapies. 10:4-17.
- Hoffman, L. (1993). Exchanging Voices: A Collaborative Approach to Family Therapy. London: Karnac Books.
- Hoffman, L. (2002). Family Therapy: An Intimate History. New York: W.W. Norton & Co.
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- ↑ Lynn Hoffman Papers, 1964-2002 (ongoing).
- ↑ Philip Barker (February 2006). Family Therapy: An Intimate History (Book Review). Journal of the Canadian Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry 15: 40–41.
- ↑ Harlene Anderson. Hoffman, Lynn - DVD - AN INTIMATE HISTORY OF FAMILY THERAPY (inteview). URL accessed on 2009-03-13.


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A mother accused of murdering her two-month-old baby daughter and attempting to murder the girl's twin sister will fight the charges, a court has heard today.
The woman, 38, who cannot be named, is alleged to have been assaulting the girls from the time they were brought home after their birth by caesarean at the Royal Women's Hospital on February 27 last year.
She appeared briefly in the Melbourne Magistrates Court today where the court was told she would be contesting the charges.
Magistrate Charlie Rozencwajg remanded the woman on bail to appear in June for a two-day committal hearing.
Her bail conditions include continuing to receive psychiatric counselling and to follow all the conditions of current intervention orders.
Doctors believe the alleged injuries suffered by the twin girls were consistent with "forces such as shaking and impacts that are not typically generated by accidental causes", according to court documents.
A police summary tendered at an earlier hearing said the girls' birth had been relatively uncomplicated and they were taken home soon after by their parents, who also have a two-year-old boy.
During the eight-week period leading up to the girl's death, the twins, who were suffering from reflux or colic which made them difficult to manage, were taken several times to see a nurse who noticed bruising on both infants. But the bruises were explained away by their mother, the police summary says.
On April 25, the father was responsible for the twins overnight and fed them about 11pm before putting them to bed. About 3am the next day the father woke after he heard one of the girls making noises.
He got up to check on her and found she was pale and limp.
He removed her from her crib and at this point realised she had become still and stopped breathing.
Ambulance officers were called and found the girl in cardiac arrest. She was stabilised and taken to the Royal Children's Hospital. The mother travelled with the girl in the ambulance.
CT scans and other tests revealed the girl had significant skull fractures and subdural hemorrhaging (bleeding to the brain).
The girl was rushed to the operating theatre in an attempt to relieve some of the pressure to her brain but she died on the operating table.
The girl's twin was then examined and found to have "multiple skull fractures, subdural bleeds, broken collar bone, fractured ribs, bruising and other injuries", according to police.
The surviving twin girl also underwent surgery to try to relieve the pressure to her brain.
The court documents stated that she had since recovered from some of her injuries, but areas of her brain had shrunk or were damaged.
Supreme Court Justice Paul Coghlan later granted the mother bail on the basis of exceptional circumstances. He said the woman would be in danger if she were placed in custody, and said she should continue psychiatric treatment.


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A WYRE Forest law firm has raised £2,000 for Kemp Hospice.
Staff from Painters Solicitors, which has offices in Kidderminster and Stourport, took part in the charity's magical midnight walk and collected sponsorship money from work colleagues, friends and family.
Gill Guest, Sharon Banks, Louise Adams, Ros Greig, Katie Jagger, Rajvir Rai and Lakhvir Bassi completed the five-kilometre challenge, which saw more than 400 women in total light up the Wyre Forest.
Lakhvir Bassi, of Painters Solicitors, said: "We had a fantastic night and it was great to be able to raise funds and support our local hospice."
Alice McMahon, a fundraiser at the charity, said: "It is great to have local support from a business like Painters Solicitors.
"We know the girls had a great night and we look forward to seeing them again at the midnight walk in 2015.
"We would like to thank Painters Solicitors for their continued support over the last few years and we look forward to working with them again in the future."
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The Crap We Missed – Wednesday 12.19.12
"I heard Electro was one of you people now – EAT WEB!"
Welcome to the time of year when The Crap We Missed gets increasingly harder to curate (Yes, I consider this a high art form and I completely understand that's why in the near future I'll serve you riblets at Applebee's), which is why today you'll find former Backstreet Boy, A.J. McLean as well as some soccer player's wife, Lorena Bernal in here. Yes, it's getting that bad. We've also got some of the usual players though, including Cee Lo Green, who's wardrobe people are just getting desperate at this point, "He won't even know the difference, just spray-paint some of those Mad Max costumes and let's get out of here, it's almost happy hour," Miley Cyrus going incognito except for the boots and dog leash because she's straight punk rock, a high-as-fuck Rose McGowan, and AnnaLynne McCord on what I'm starting to believe is an artificially cooled 90210 set.
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Badass Doctor Single-Handedly Doubles Access to Abortion in Mississippi
This is a small part of a much bigger thought, but I can't think of a better place to start. Mississippi is down to its last abortion clinic. Tennessee has lost half its providers in the last decade; for some residents, the nearest clinic is upwards of 240 miles away. As we zip through the end of another election cycle, we'll no doubt hear–well those of us who are in the half-dozen or so swing states will no doubt hear–about how great the incumbent ruler has been on reproductive issues.
For women in rural areas, however, the last 4 years have seen the barriers to abortion raise with alarming quickness. Nevertheless, progressives are marching on with the mantra of "four more years." The only action that can prevent the outright banning of abortion is the one that is currently leading to the de facto banning of abortion. "Bullshit," says this guy [1]
We know world-wide that when abortion is legal and accessible, women remain healthy, and when it is not they die, often in populations with profiles similar to what I describe for Mississippi. Cognizant of this, I recently obtained a medical license and began travel to this great state.
— Dr. Willie Parker, MD, MPH, MSc
Holy shit.
You really should go read the rest of the article which is pretty much the good doctor holding forth like a medical Braveheart:
. . .to the question of why I go to Mississippi, the answer is, I want for women there what I want for myself: a life of dignity, health, self-determination, and the opportunity to excel and contribute. We know that when women have access to abortion, contraception, and medically accurate sex education, they thrive. It should be no different for the women of Mississippi.
I only wish this guy was an anarchist, or that I was a medical doctor (*and* that I didn't have to cover my eyes anytime there's a surgery scene on teevee). This is the real answer to the question of how abortion remains available and accessible to women. Imagine if, as our rulers cynically dangle Roe v. Wade over the ballot box compelling women to participate in the illusion of protecting their right to bodily autonomy, a legion of grey market agorist clinicians appeared across the country providing a desperately needed service regardless of changes to the law.
Then we could also build roads.
In any case Dr. Parker is doing his part. I really can't stop marvelling at his bad-assedness. I hope he has a "donate" button somewhere.
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Gainesville woman charged in attempted robbery
Published: Thursday, November 15, 2012 at 9:55 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, November 15, 2012 at 9:55 a.m.
A Gainesville woman was arrested Tuesday afternoon on an attempted robbery charge for her alleged role in a July incident in which a shot was fired.
Jennifer D. Webb, 24, of 1632 NE 5th Ave., was arrested by Gainesville police on charges of attempted armed robbery and giving police false information for an incident that happened July 28, according to an arrest report.
Webb and an unidentified culprit are accused of plotting to rob a man who was known to have a lot of money. The arrest report states that Webb drove the man to a store parking lot, where he was going to rob the victim.
Store surveillance video shows the unidentified robber walked up to the victim, put a gun to his head, force him to the ground and pistol whip him in the head. A shot was fired during the struggle, shattering a car window.
The unidentified gunman then ran off.
Investigators were able to link Webb to the case. The report states she confessed to her role. Police said she gave them false information about the other man involved in the case, who is still at large. The case is still under investigation.
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I will be off for the morning tomorrow, Friday as I am getting my first infusion of Remicade and it will take about 4 hours as they go real slow the first time due to possible affects. I am nervous about it but on the other hand its like Teddy said, "lets get it done!" So, what is the best way to have a pleasant evening? Dinner with my Grandson! Our Thursday night date night.


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SAINT LEO, Fla. – The Saint Leo women's basketball (6-8, 0-4 SSC), despite shooting 45.5 percent in the second half, fell to rival Florida Southern, 59-44, Wednesday evening from the Marion Bowman Activities Center in Sunshine State Conference play.
Chelsea Williams led the squad with 12 points on 6-of-12 shooting. Sarah Winans chipped in 11 points, and Shalisa Hill led the squad with eight rebounds.
Taking the former nationally ranked team head on, the Lions held a lead over their rivals until Morgan Lamberg connected on jumper with 5:53 to play in the first half to put the Mocs up for the remainder of the game.
Down 2-0 in the first half, the Lions rallied off six straight points to give the team a 6-2 lead with 15:36 to play. From there, the two squads battled for possession of the scoreboard as each fought to find points. However, despite the Lions best efforts to control the lead, Florida Southern eventually gained the upper hand the Lamberg jumper with 5:36 to play in the opening half. The Mocs soon expanded their lead to eight, before an opportunistic and feisty Lions' squad shrank it to four, 25-21, at the half.
Williams opened the second half with one of her team-best six field goals to cut the lead to two, 25-23. The Lions' defense kept a usually potent Mocs' offense at bay for a majority of the evening, but Florida Southern soon pushed a running margin of five points over the remainder of the second half. With Hill knocking down key jumpers to keep the Lions in the mix, it wasn't until late in the second period when Florida Southern opened up their largest lead and came away with the double-digit win.


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A NIGHTCLUB in Dursley is facing reduced opening hours or closure as the local authority calls for a review of its licence following complaints about noise and crime.
As a result of grievances from nearby residents about noise, fighting and other anti-social problems, Dursley Town Council (DTC) has called for another look at Capone's licence to open so late.
The club on Long Street can stay open until 5am on Friday and Saturday nights, the latest of any venue in the Stroud district.
DTC backed up its decision by highlighting a number of incidents involving fighting, drink driving and assaults on the police from Gazette reports in recent months.
In its report, the council highlighted that all the incidents happened after 2am.
It added that neighbours were unable to sell their property because of the proximity to the club.
SDC's environmental health will now carry out an investigation to help decide whether to carry out a licence review of the premises.
DTC clerk Helen Bojaniwska said Stroud District Council (SDC) had been dealing with noise complaints, but had not yet done any formal monitoring.
"The police licensing officer is able to provide data, but is concerned there may not be enough evidence from the crime and disorder perspective," she said.
"Capone's is a valued facility for many residents and contributes to the local economy. There is likely to be local resistance to any move close it down completely."
Capone's co-owner Stavros Antonio, 43, told the Gazette he believed the problems were not caused by the nightclub, but by national drinking trends since the 24-hour licensing laws came into effect in 2005.
He said because pubs were staying open much later, and that people were buying cheap alcohol from supermarkets beforehand, the only option for nightclubs was to stay open even later when people were much more intoxicated.
"Until the scene changes nationally, this is the reality of the market we're in," he said.
"The supermarkets are making the most money but we have the most expenses. The end result of their drinking happens at the nightclub."
Mr Antonio, who lives in Bristol, also pointed to a lack of police presence in the town during the early hours.
"We have been asking for it for a long time," he said.
"They are called when something goes wrong, they are not there as a preventative measure.
"Residents pay council tax and businesses pay their rates so the council could be looking at getting the police to find a way to make a police presence."
He added the business had brought a lot of trade to the area in the last two decades and was critical of DTC for not talking to him beforehand.
"They need to invest a little time and thought into the night time economy," he said.
"They are trying to look at us and say that's wrong, we are not wrong we provide a service which has been well used for the last 20 years.
"If they close Capone's they have to go to Bristol, Gloucester or Stroud. Which is money out of Dursley."
Mr Antonio, who bought Capone's and the attached Old Bell Hotel in April 1994 alongside his brother Chambi Antonio Praki, said the two buildings were undergoing refurbishment and hoped to reopen the club as a cocktail and wine bar in 2015.
A SDC spokesman said they would take the most appropriate course of action, based on an assessment of any evidence gained.
A Gloucestershire Police spokesman said: "We have officers on duty 24 hours a day in Dursley, who do indeed patrol the night time economy.
"Additionally they have superb backup from a team of special constables who support their regular colleagues every weekend."
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By Kevin J. Ryan
The NYPD Captains Endowment Association today announced their endorsement of Council Member Dan Halloran for reelection to the City Council.
In front of the 109th precinct in Flushing, Association President Roy Richter said, "Today, the Captains Endowment Association of the New York City Police Department is pleased to announce our endorsement of Council Member Dan Halloran in his re-election campaign for City Council. Since his election to the City Council in 2009, Councilman Halloran has repeatedly displayed an appreciation for public safety and support for the men and women who patrol the streets of Queens.
[pullquote]Public safety has been one of my greatest concerns in the Council, serving on the committee and fighting to help our law enforcement officers keep us safe." ~Dan Halloran (more below)[/pullquote]The New York City Police Department is facing enormous challenges in the coming years. Along with the departure of Mayor Bloomberg and his administration, over 5,000 police officers are scheduled to leave the Police Department due to retirement. It is thanks to the Finest Police Department in the world that crime is at record lows and New York City has been labeled the safest large City in the United States. Public Safety means a strong city economy. Dan Halloran, coming from a family with generations of service to the City in Police and Fire service understands this relationship and is an experienced, loud voice in city government advocating to maintain staffing levels and adequate numbers of police officers on patrol in the borough of Queens.
Dan Halloran has experience, common sense and an appreciation of the needs of the public to feel safe in the neighborhoods they live. For these reasons the NYPD Captains Endowment Association endorses Dan Halloran for City Council."
Halloran said, "I am honored to receive this endorsement from the superior officers of the greatest police department in the world. Public safety has been one of my greatest concerns in the Council, serving on the committee and fighting to help our law enforcement officers keep us safe. I will continue to support our cops and protect our neighborhoods."
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MANY of the forgotten victims of the First World War can now be remembered, thanks to the creation of an online archive by the National Railway Museum, in York.
The museum has created a database of about 30,000 railway workers – including hundreds from York and North Yorkshire – who died while serving in the Great War.
People can now search for individuals and go into the museum to view thousands of photographs thanks to the project, which has been two years in the making.
Alison Kay, assistant archivist, said: "We're looking forward to welcoming people who want to look up details of former family members, friends or neighbours that may have died in the war.
"In due course, we'd love to hear from anyone who uses our database and finds information they find useful.
"We plan to keep on adding to the list over the coming years.
"This database has been a few years in the making and we are delighted to now make it accessible. Many hours were put in by former assistant archivist, Martin Bashforth and a team of volunteers."
The database – the most comprehensive of its kind – includes names, rank, military number, rail department, railway occupation and address, as well as information on their families, war memorial and date of death.
The information had previously been available in railway company staff magazines and archives but has never been in a central location before.
Visit nrm.org.uk/RailwayStories/worldwarone.aspx to see the database.
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THE following York people who died during the First World War are listed in the archive:
David Charles Oswald Noonan
Mr Noonan, 29, who was known as Dasher, worked as a carriage cleaner in York before being killed in action. His mother and father, David and Annie, lived at 21 Fishergate. He had also served in India for seven years.
A E Thackerah
Mr Thackerah, aged 27, whose first name is not known, was a skilled footballer who played for Groves United for several seasons. He was an assistant cellarman employed at the North Eastern Railway Hotel Department, Central Cellars, in York. His father lived at 1 Cole Street, in The Groves, York. He was killed in action.
Gilbert Lewis
Former Minster School pupil Mr Lewis, 24, had been a chorister at York Minster and was organist and choirmaster at St Luke's Church, York. He was one of two Minster choirboys reported killed in action in May 1917 and a memorial service was held for him at the Minster. His parents, Thompson and Emma, lived at 1 Longfield Terrace, Bootham. Mr Lewis had been employed at the North Eastern Railway General Superintendent's Office, York.
Betty Stephenson
Ambulance driver Miss Stephenson, who was 21, was killed in an air raid while on active service at a base camp in France. She was awarded the Croix De Guerre Avec Palme. Miss Stephenson was the only daughter of Mr Arthur G Stephenson, an estate agent with the North Eastern Railway.
Percy Pickering
Sapper Pickering, 23, of Fairfax Avenue in Selby, had worked as a fireman before dying in hospital in Fulham as a result of an accident at war. He is buried in Selby Cemetery.


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Fishy Fossil Record:
"Even as the fossil record becomes better known, the controversies continue and increase, for as the paleontologist, Alfred S. Romer has noted, the increasing knowledge of fossil forms often leads to a 'triumphant loss of clarity'. Partly for this reason, recent studies of the evolutionary relationships among fishes have relied heavily on comparisons among living forms and the use of analytical techniques (such as Hennig's cladistics) that produce less ambiguous results than the more arbitrary methods of the past (Patterson 1977). However, the results of the new inquiries into the evolutionary relationships of fishes still produce many contradictions".
Fishes, An Introduction to Ichthyology, by Moyle and Cech, p.175, Second edition, Prentice Hall 1988. University of California
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