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|Location: Sydney, National, Australia
|Services: Professional male massage service for gay, straight, young or old.
Based in Sydney although catering also for international clients.
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|Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
|Services: Arouse the soul awaken the spirit rejuvenate the body,release your day.This is where your journey begins
|Website: Balinese Massage and Spa Treatments
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|Location: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
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|Website: Mengyuan Massage Clinic
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|Location: Bundaberg/Gin Gin, Gin Gin, Queensland, Australia
|Services: Kay-Hock Khoo offers:
a full body, therapeutic, Ka Huna table massage in the traditional Hawaiian manner
Traditional Thai Massage
hot stone massage
chair massage
Polynesian floor massage
|Website: Melbourne male masseur - Prahran
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|Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
|Services: A masseur for more than 10 years, I have trained in Swedish, Esalen, shiatsu, Kahuna & Body Electric massage. I have a long standing interest in body, soul and spirit and bring to the session my experience in yoga, somatics, and tantra.
|Website: brusselstherapycenter
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|Location: Brussels, Brussels, Belgium
|Services: Massagecenter in the heart of Brussels, you can try many types of massages,our hands and aromatic oils are in charge of relaxing your body from the stress.
Holistic massage, ayurvedic massage,shiatsu,thai massage.
|Website: Na Se Kala
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|Location: Anderlecht, Brussels, Brussels, Belgium
|Services: My name is Yves, I'm a massage therapist specialized in traditional thai masssage (Nuad Bo Rarn) and aquatic bodywork (Watsu and Waterdance).
|Website: Jari Menari - Holistic Massage Studio - BRUSSELS
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|Location: Ixelles, Brussels, Bruxelles, Belgium
|Services: Relaxation, Deep Tissue, Thai Yoga, Foot Reflexology, Signature Massage, Packages, Workshops, Gift Certificates, Corporate, Events
Breathe, Stretch and Relax... www.jarimenari.be
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|Location: The Netherlands, The Netherlands, Belgium
|Services: Dutch site about bodywork in Belgium, Germany and Holland.
|Website: Carlos Bodywork
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|Location: Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
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Swedish Massage
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|Website: Skyclad yoga massage retreat
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|Location: Metchosin, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
|Services: Your well being is my first priority. Combining Swedish, Thai, Esalen, Reiki and Body Electric to create a unique massage experience. Therapeutic, sensual, full body, with 15 years experience, private studio.
|Website: mb barber spa
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|Location: Midtown, toronto, Ontario, Canada
|Services: A new Barber spa for men by men. Relax with us as youre the only here at one time. 4 hand massage, hair cuts, shaves, body trims, skin treatments and more.
|Website: Sunbeam Touch
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|Location: Gatineau, Quebec, Canada
|Services: This will be the best massage you have ever had... visite sunbeamtouch.ca for more information.
|Website: Beijing Man's Power Spa
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|Location: Beijing, Beijing, Beijing, China
|Services: Welcome to Man's Power Spa For Men Only. We provide excellent 24/7 out-call service within BeiJing.
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|Website: M&W Male Massage and SPA Service Salon
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|Location: Beijing, Beijing, China
|Services: Specializing in different kinds of skillful massage to suit our customers according to their individual needs.Located between Wangfujing Avenue and Silk Street, less than 10 minutes away from Tian'anmen Square.
|Website: Beijing LTMan Gay Spa & Massage
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|Location: Haiding, Beijing, National, China
|Services: LTMAN Spa & Massage offers a variety of massages for men by an attractive staff of young men. We constantly strive to be a good place in Beijing for men to come for a completely satisfying massage & spa.
|Website: A Man's Touch Spa For Men Only
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|Location: CBD Beijing, Beijing, National, China
|Services: Appointment: +86 135 1101 3481 or email@example.com
Welcome to A Man's Touch Spa, We offers top quality, professional massage services in Beijing.Our masseurs are young, handsome, fashionable and muscular.
|Website: Parisgaymassage
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|Location: Paris, Paris, Alabama, France
|Services: Certified Masseur offers you a VERY HIGH QUALITY massage for a nice moment of full relaxation. Rates from 60 / 1 hour / incall
1h / 1H30 and 2h service available.
I can travel to your hotel.
|Website: www.zensoma.com
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|Location: paris, paris, ile de france, France
|Services: Karl, gay certified bodywork practitioner helps fighting tight muscles, back pain and stress related tensions. Strong pressure and soft sensitive touch.
English spoken. +33.(0)220.127.116.11.38
|Website: Mills Massage for Men
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|Location: Nürnberg, Bavaria, Nuremberg, Germany
|Services: Treat yourself to a relaxing, liberating massage in Nuremberg, Germany. You deserve it!
|Website: MassageM4M
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|Location: Berlin, Berlin, Germany
|Services: The type of massage I give is a combination of several different techniques. Depending on the length of the session, I incorporate a bit of Thai and Swedish techniques to a form of massage developed from the practice of Thai Chi.
|Website: TENG URBAN SPA
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|Location: Massage for Men, Frankfurt, Hessen, Germany
|Services: A discrete n private men spa offering wellness services in nicely appointed treatment room. www.tengmassage.com email@example.com
+49 (0)15251905809 Taubenstrasse 7 Frankfurt
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|Website: Brighton Acupuncture & Massage
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|Location: Brighton & Hastings, National, Great Britain
|Services: Acupuncture and massage including; Sports, Deep Tissue, Myofascial, Thai, Hot Stone, Aromatherapy and Swedish. Waxing and facials available. Private Yoga sessions and home/hotel visits also available with notice.
|Website: TALENT CLUB SPA AND MASSAGE
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|Location: Hong Kong, National, Hong Kong
|Services: Hong Kong finest , deluxe spa and massage in down town hong kong location.
|Website: Basic Massage
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|Location: Yokohama, Kanagawa, Japan
|Services: Outcall massage service in Yokohama, Yokosuka and Tokyo.
|Website: A gay friendly spa, retreat & training centre in Langkawi
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|Location: Langkawi, Kedah, Malaysia
|Services: We provide yoga, meditation, reiki, Tai Chi, spa treatments, traditional therapies, herbs, nutritious diet, massage, simple massage learning classes and wellness retreats to rejuvenate, balance your body, mind and spirit.
|Website: Senjakala Urban Spa For Men, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
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|Location: Kuala Lumpur, National, Malaysia
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provide male to male bodywork, skin, facial, spa body treatment, all for men by men. Massage therapies include sports, relaxation, sensual, erotic, hot stones, tandem, thai
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|Location: Brussels, BRUSSELS, Brussels, Multinational
|Services: .....Your journey begins here...........
Treat your spirit , mind and body to a complete and extraordinary reviving de-stressing experience at Act Of Touch .......Experience the latest in massage through act of touching
|Website: Simply Wholistic
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|Location: all, all worldwide, National, Multinational
|Services: Spa Trainer, Lifestyle Consultant. Nutrition, Colour Therapy, Chakra Balancing, Crystal Healing, Kinesiology. Counselling, NLP, Life Coaching, Thai Massage. Reiki Master/attunements. Learn Reiki TODAY-Usui level 1 Diploma only 30
|Website: KI - Your Personal Male Therapist
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|Location: Singapore, Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
|Services: A qualified
Singapore male therapist @ 1.72m tall, 62kg.
Certified in UK and retrained in Melbourne, Australia to provide you total relaxation for your body, mind & spirit...
|Website: Beefy Man With Strong Massage
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|Location: Singapore, Singapore, Singapore
|Services: Anthony offering personal massage service for male rejuvenation. Gay men and straight clients are all welcome. Outcall massage to your home or hotel (call or sms for advance booking - no private numbers, please). Tel : +6593458377
|Website: Intuitive Touch Massage
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|Location: Sandton, Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa
|Services: I offer Sport, Thai, Kahuna and Holistic massage. For appointments please sms: +27 84 717 1717 or email: email@example.com
|Website: Gay Massage Madrid
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|Location: Madrid, Barcelona, Madrid, Barcelona, 28005, Spain
|Services: Hi, I'm Sebastian. Welcome to Madrid and of course welcome to my hands, forearms and to my full body to body massage. I can offer you an amazing massage experience in your own hotel room. Professional, serious and fulfilling expectations.
|Website: Tantra Gay Massage in Barcelona
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|Location: Barcelona Diagonal, Barcelona, Catalunya, Spain
|Services: Hi, my name is Paco, specialized in Tantric and erotic massages. You will feel my peace and then an intense sensual bliss that can take you to climax in a very special and sinless way. Try me out and enjoy a special experience in Barcelona!
|Website: Massage von Mann zu Mann
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|Location: Zürich / Meilen, ZUERICH, ZUERICH, Switzerland
|Services: Geniesse eine wundervolle Massage von Mann zu Mann. Wenn an einer Massage von mir interessiert bist, freue ich mich auf dein Mail:
|Website: Gay travel agency in Thailand
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|Location: Bangkok, Bangkok, Thailand
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men and strength people in Thailand. We are happy to assist you to join the best time and have many Gay friends here.
|Website: Club61 male massage spa
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|Location: Sukhumvit Wattana, Bangkok, Bangkok, Thailand
|Services: Club61 >>>>>> Male Massage Spa Bangkok
Club 61 >>>>>> Hub of Thai Male Masseurs in Bangkok. Therapeutic Sensual Erotic And Relax Body Work At One. By Thai Massage Guys. Phone +66 2 7140441
|Website: House of Male Gym & Sauna for Men
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|Location: Chiang Mai, Chiang Mai, Thailand
|Services: Very relaxed, friendly
sauna, located close to the Central Department Store on Kadsuankaew Rd, easy to get to by tuk tuk or taxi - it is on the left at the end of Soi 3. It has a gymnasium, outdoor
swimming pool, television room, cruising areas, and a bar and lounge area where you can obtain light meals. Open from 12 noon to midnight.
|Website: Fah Lanna Massage - Chiang Mai
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|Location: Chiang Mai, Chiang Mai, Thailand
|Services: Professional, non-sexual bodywork in a relaxing environment: Fah Lanna is a day spa offering massages and body treatments. Many packages available. Very high standards at reasonable prices.
|Website: Authentic Thai massage for men by men in Pattaya
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|Location: Pattaya, Chonburi, Thailand
|Services: Thai massage by men in Pattaya.
Why me? I'm certified and licensed Thai masseur, studied in a licensed school of Thai massage, my teacher was educated in the Wat Pho monastery and I have enough power for massage tall and heavy clients.
|Website: Be Naked Yoga
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|Location: Koh Phangan, Surathani, Thailand
|Services: Be Naked Yoga offers 4-day naked yoga retreats for men on a private beach on Koh Phangan, Thailand, just 20 mins away from Samui by boat. Our retreats overlap weekends and public holidays in Hong Kong and Singapore.
|Website: Massage & Acupuncture Brighton
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|Location: Brighton, East Sussex, United Kingdom
|Services: Professional experienced therapist based in Brighton East Sussex. Offering sports, remedial & deep tissue massage, traditional Thai, aromatherapy, Hot Stone, Indian head and Reiki massage as well as Acupuncture.
|Website: Calvin Finn, Sports, Thai Yoga and Deep Tissue Therapist
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|Location: Tunbridge Wells through to Eastbourne, Hastings and Rye, East Sussex and Kent, United Kingdom
|Services: Qualified Massage Therapist (MICHT, MIPTI,MCThA) in Sports, Thai Yoga, Swedish, Remedial and Deep Tissue Massage, Trigger Point techniques, STR, Advanced Stretching and Lymphatic Drainage.
|Website: Sports, Remedial and Therapeutic Massage
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|Location: London, England, United Kingdom
|Services: Friendly, relaxed guy mixes Sports & Remedial, Thai Yoga and gentle therapeutic work to suit you.
£60 1 hr £80 1.5 hr
|Website: metrostress
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|Location: Greater Manchester, Manchester, Greater Manchester, United Kingdom
|Services: Swedish, Sports, Hot Stone and Thai massage. Home/Office visits. Therapy room close to city centre. Gift vouchers.
Pamper and grooming parties.
|Website: London Massage Therapist
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|Location: West London - South Ealing, London, London, United Kingdom
|Services: Sports/Remedial Massage Therapist
£80 1.5 hr
£60 1 hr
£30 30 mins
8am-10pm daily
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|Website: tao of tantra celebrations london
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|Location: London, London, United Kingdom
|Services: Indulge yourself with a full body tantric/taoist celebration that both celebrates your masculinity and refreshes your spirituality. Mr. Cox is the most experienced and enlightened sensual masseur working in London.
|Website: www.GeorgeKatrakalidi.com The Male Body Specialist
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|Location: LONDON, LONDON, LONDON, United Kingdom
|Services: MASSAGE BODYWORK WELLNESS
" The Art of Massage "
" The Art of Wellness "
" The Art of Living "
|Website: Male Tantric erotic massage
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|Location: london, London, London, United Kingdom
|Services: EROTIC MASSAGE a combination of sensual and therapeutic bodywork. Indulges and pampers the receiver allowing muscle relaxation, achieving a heightened state of pleasure with an erotic release by hand, both client and masseur are nude.
|Website: Massage Therapy for Men
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|Location: London, London, United Kingdom
|Services: High quality professional massage services to keep your mind and body in top form. Whether you need to relax and wind down or get rid of muscle aches and pains, there is one style of massage that suits your needs.
|Website: M4M London Sensual Massage - Tantric & sensual M4M service
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|Location: London, London, United Kingdom
|Services: Andres - Spanish Professional Erotic & Tantric massager practitioner offering services for men in Central London - In & Out call - For services description and rates please visit my website or call me direct +44 (0) -7772909013
|Website: Antonio Massage therapist
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|Location: London, London Earls court. High street kensington, london, United Kingdom
|Services: I am an experienced therapist offering swedish, deep tissue, aromatherapy and thai yoga massage in HIGH STREET KENSINGTON. I am fully qualified and insured. Rates from £70 60min. £10 discount in bookings made 24hrs in advance
|Website: Traditional Thai Massage/Foot Massage LONDON & NEWCASTLE
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|Location: Kings Cross LONDON & Newcastle City Centre, London & Newcastle upon Tyne, London and Newcastle Upon Tyne, United Kingdom
|Services: As lifestyles in many countries are becoming more hectic, people are looking for ways of dealing with stress. My Thai massage is a holistic and relaxing experience, beneficial for both mental and physical wellness.
|Website: Alternative Medicine Massage Therapy London http://www.massagelo
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|Location: ACTON S BUSH, London, LONDON EALING FULHAM CHELSEA CHISWICK HAMMERSMITH KENSINGTON UK, United Kingdom
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|Website: Lazy Yoga Thai Massage
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|Location: Edinburgh, National, United Kingdom
|Services: Thai Massage is often called 'Lazy Man's Yoga' as you receive all the benefits of Yoga without any of the work. It consists mainly of pressure on energy points and lines and a series of stretches.
Thai Oil Massage also available.
|Website: Sports, remedial & therapeutic body work
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|Location: Dorking, Surrey, Surrey, United Kingdom
|Services: Ade's approach is warm, friendly coupled with a positive attitude and drive for life practicing both western and eastern styles & techniques of soft tissue bodywork from sports & remedial to Thai & Seated acupressure massage.
|Website: Djbodyworks: Friendly Male Massage. Newcastle- Gateshead
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|Location: Gateshead, Newcastle, Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom
|Services: Fully qualified and insured friendly male masseur in North-East England. Luxury surroundings.
Many types of massage offered: Swedish, Deep Tissue, Thai, Sensual or even better a combination of all these. Discretion assured.
|Website: Knotty~Body Reliever
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|Location: Phoenix, Arizona, United States
|Services: Dale Veeneman LMT offers a variety of modalities in Central Phoenix, Arizona. Neuromuscular (Deep Tissue), LaStone (Hot Rock) and Thai-Yoga massage for Men and Women. You can set your own appointment online at www.knottybody.com My practice is near 15th Ave. and Camelback.
|Website: Massage Kai
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|Location: Phoenix, Arizona, United States
|Services: The best combination of therapeutic and relaxation massage.
Therapeutic Deep Tissue, Trigger Point, Sports,
Hot Stone, Shiatsu, Reiki, Japanese Face Massage, Thai Reflexology
|Website: The Feeling Must Be Touched...
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|Location: Scottsdale Rd. and McDonald - Near Old Town, Scottsdale, Arizona, United States
|Services: For the professional athlete to weekend warriors.. Men, women, couples... Perfecting the art of simultanously S T R E T C H I N G and M A S S A G E Indoor and an outdoor studio looking out over a park, lake and onto Camelback Mountain... Full shower area available... See you soon Zogisle
|Website: www.healthy-communications.com/paul-luciano.html
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|Location: West Los Angeles/Culver City, Los Angeles, California, United States
|Services: Swedish, Pressure Points, Deep Tissue, Shiatsu, Foot/Hand/Face Reflexology, Walking On Backs, 5+ years of exp., Table/Oil included, Strong Hands! RATES: $80/hr or $120/1.5 hrs CONTACT: *82 3,2,3, 5,1,4, 2,7,7,9, c/o Paul-Luciano
|Website: Man To Man Bodywork and Tantra By Austino
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|Location: Palm Springs, California, United States
|Services: Extraordinary Man To Man Bodywork & Tantra
Personalized For Maximum Satisfaction. Individuals and Couples. Relaxing,Soothing,Sensual,Supportive, and Euphoric. Check out website for complete details. Call me soon and let's talk.
|Website: Massage for Men
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|Location: Palm Springs, California, United States
|Services: Nice relaxing massage for men. Discreet, over ten years experience. Professional. Incall with shower available. Thai, with Reiki energy healing and Sensual intuitive touch.
|Website: Kevin's on Q - Sacramento's Strong Touch For Men
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|Location: Sacramento, California, United States
|Services: Therapeutic and Sensual modalities, Deep Tissue, Swedish, Reflexology, Sports, Thai and more. I believe the needs of every individual who visits me regardless of race, height, weight and age.
|Website: Good Energy Massage
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|Location: San Diego, California, United States
|Services: I use a variety of Techniques to create a Unigue, Relaxing, Sensual and Therapeutic experience.
Take a Deep Breath, Exhale and Relax your Body...Enjoy a Good Energy Massage!!
Compassionate and skilled bodywork for your safety and comfort.
|Website: Real Bodywork by Asian Expert Hands
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|Location: San Francisco, California, United States
|Services: A strong but
sensually nurturing integration of Asian and Western modalities. The bodywork is intuitive, flowing, rhythmic combined with powerful thai-yoga stretches. Precise trigger
points release old injuries and chronic tension.
|Website: Sensuality and Sensibility for GentleMen
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|Location: San Francisco, California, United States
|Services: Enjoy a conscious, healthful session of touch, breath, and pleasure...my services range from therapeutic to sexological to athletic. My services are portable, and inquiries are most welcome. Come Home to Your Body....
|Website: Skincare by Michael Otto
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|Location: San Francisco, California, United States
|Services: Michael offers facials, waxing, body treatments, peels, microdermabrasion, and massage in the Castro. Call 415-626-8505 for an appointment or visit www.alwaystanskinandbody.com for a menu.
|Website: Relaxing & Sensual Thai Massage
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|Location: San Francisco, California, United States
|Services: 33 yrs old Thai masseur, 5'9", 160 lbs, muscular, strong-handed.
I do Swedish, deep tissue, and Thai massages.
Gay, straight, bi, couples are welcome
|Website: everybodyneeds
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|Location: San Fracisco Bay Area, San Jose, California, United States
|Services: Therapeutic, relaxing, and sensuous massage. Trained in Swedish, Shiatsu, Thai, Deep Tissue, Myofascial Release, and Body Integration. In/outcall throughout SF Bay Area $40 introductory rate for first one hour massage (regularly $60/hour).
|Website: Dickson Santa Rosa Massage for Men
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|Location: Sebastopol, Guerneville, Forestville, Healdsburg, Rohnert Park, Santa Rosa, California, United States
|Services: I offer skilled & advanced bodywork. Men with chronic and acute pain get results! Do you have: "ice pick" pain? Unable to turn, bend, or move without pain? Pain in your back, neck, arms, groin, legs.
Then see me! 707-824-8700
|Website: No Place Like Om
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|Location: Los Angeles, west hollywood, California, United States
|Services: Offer Massages: 60 mins therapeutic/deep tissue/ Thai - $110
60 Mins ashtanga yoga and meditation - $90
Location of studio is in West Hollywood. Can travel within local community. 90 mins and combo sessions are available.
|Website: Blue Buddha Bodywork
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|Location: Capitol Hill/Cheesman Park, Denver, Colorado, United States
|Services: My specialty is my unique Hybrid Futon Massage which is a highly pleasurable and effective blend of massage, body contact and assisted stretches. B
Always a high-quality satisfying experience.
|Website: massage4meninde
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|Location: New Castle County, Newark, Delaware, United States
|Services: Licensed Massage Therapist, Wilmington / Newark offering professional massage services at your location in DELAWARE...302-444-7098
Check out my website for details.
|Website: Brandywine Massage & Body Work
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|Location: Brandywine, Trolley Square, Newark, Bear, Northern DE, Wilmington, Delaware, United States
|Services: Experienced in several types of body work. Through the art of massage, my mission is to honor your body and restore physical, mental, and spiritual balance in a natural and healthy intimate environment.
|Website: Scott's Massage Therapy
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|Location: Duval, Jacksonville, Florida, United States
|Services: I can do just about any type of massage that you may want.
Swedish (relaxation), neuromuscular, sports, pressure work, perfect massage techniques, Reiki, etc. I use many non-conventional approaches to therapy.
|Website: JC Bodyworks
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|Location: Dade, Miami, Florida, United States
|Services: Full bodywork for men in Miami Beach. Take your relaxation to a deeper, more meaningful level to achieve the ultimate luxurious pampering bodywork services. Visit our website for more details.
|Website: Miami Massage
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|Location: Miami Beach, Florida, United States
|Services: I treat the mind/body/spirit connection as a whole. I focus on THAI and DEEP TISSUE massage. I also integrate other styles into this massage, including shiatsu, reflexology, energy work, and sports massage.
|Website: Therapeutic Massage & Bodywork
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|Location: South Beach, Miami Beach, Florida, United States
|Services: My massage is an intuitive blend of Swedish and Deeptissue, mixed with elements of Reflexology, Shiatsu, Passive Stretching and Joint Mobilizations. Please check my webpage for contact info and information about my massage! Thanks!
|Website: Sterling Warrior Wellness
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|Location: So. Ft. Myers, Florida, United States
|Services: Massage, bodywork and fitness training, focusing on men age 40+ in the So. Ft. Myers, Estero and Bonita Sprgs areas.
|Website: Bodywork by Roger Massage and Day Spa
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|Location: Tampa, Florida, United States
|Services: Voted Best Therapist and Spa! Closest Massage to Tampa International Airport. Check out wepage for full service and price list. On-site Showers.
|Website: TAMPAPROMASSAGE
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|Location: Tampa, Tampa, Florida, United States
|Services: Pro Male Massage Therapist offering total body massage thearpy services in a discreet clean professional secure enviroment. Offering flexible appointments both office visits and outcalls available
|Website: BodyWorkbyEd
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|Location: Tampa, Florida, United States
|Services: Nationally Certified in Therapeutic Massage and Bodywork,(NCBTMB) #583695-09. FL License #MA57626. Certified Level II, Touch for Health. Certified, Associated Bodywork & Massage Professionals. Serve Clearwater, Dunedin, St. Pete and Tampa.
|Website: On Hawaii: Adept Massage that Soothes, Heals & Awakens
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|Location: Pahoa, In/Outcalls-> East Hawaii: Pahoa, Hilo, Kea'au, Kapoho, Kalapana, Hawaii, United States
|Services: ALOHA! Deep, Soothing, Flowing & Nurturing Massage. Broad, Gliding, Circular, Head-to-toe, Wave-Like Strokes. Many Styles. Hot Lava Rocks, Aromatherapy & More! Outdoor Garden/Indoors. Adept LMT: Jase Brenden (MAT10037) 808-345-1595.
|Website: Gentle Relaxing Deep-Tissue Massage
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|Location: Maui, Kihei, Hawaii, United States
|Services: This amazing massage relieves back, neck, and shoulder pain without hurting. It helps you to look younger, live longer, and feel happier and blissfully relaxed. LMT 10 years, starting $80/hr. In Kihei, out Maui 7AM-11PM. John 808-359-2020
|Website: POWER MASSAGE CHICAGO, with Marc, LMT
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|Location: Chicago, Illinois, United States
|Services: PHONE: 312.440.1972
DEEP, STRONG & INVIGORATING MASSAGE on table by lean muscular athlete. State licensed. Convenient downtown location. Over 8 years experience in the art of deep tissue bodywork. IN/OUT. LATE OK. Treat Yourself.
|Website: Strong Hands, Warm Heart
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|Location: CHICAGO, Illinois, United States
|Services: Sensual, Swedish-Esalen, Deep Tissue Massage
I have a private, warm and comfortable studio in Rogers Park. Outcalls are available. I also visit San Francisco, Orange County, and New York City often.
|Website: Andrew's Massage and Body Work
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|Location: Chicago, Illinois, United States
|Services: Andrew's body work practice creates a space for clients to work on personal healing at their own pace. Sessions may blend Shiatsu, Reiki, Swedish and Structural Integration -- depending on individual client needs, goals and expectations.
|Website: Reiki For Men
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|Location: Truro, Massachusetts, United States
|Services: Reiki, Crystal Healing & Aromatherapy to rebalance your subtle energies and life force that is flowing through us.
Traditional Thai Massage
|Website: KCFITNESSLINK
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|Location: Kansas City, Missouri, United States
|Services: Massage: Swedish, Deep Tissue, Thai, Esalen, Body electric Meditation, yoga, sacred breathing, and aromatherapy.
Contact Darryl mobile 816.522.9398
Office: 816.256.4443
510 N. 6th Street, Kansas City, KS 66101
|Website: Sacred Touch: Yoga and Massage Workshops for mEN
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|Location: kansas city, Missouri, United States
|Services: Experience one hour of breathing and Freedom yoga (clothes off style) followed by two hours of mutual massage in a supportive, safe environment.
|Website: ThatMassageGuyDale.com
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|Location: Springfield, Missouri, United States
|Services: all of the city limits proper and surrounding areas within 50 mile radius
|Website: The Vegas Oasis
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|Location: Henderson and Boulder City, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
|Services: Providing exceptional bodywork for men in Las Vegas, Henderson and Boulder City. Please call 702-458-6722 for more information or to schedule a massage.
|Website: Las Vegas Men's Massage
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|Location: Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
|Services: Las Vegas Men's Massage provides Swedish massage, Deep Tissue massage, Trigger Point Therapy, Thai massage, Hot Stone massage, and Hawaiian Lomilomi massage. Both out-call (in hotel room or home) and in-call (in my studio) are available.
|Website: Thai Massage Jersey City, New York City
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An independent movie is characterized as being produced by an independent production company, not a major film studio, and having a lower budget. These movies are much less marketed and tend to be in limited release in order to attract smaller specialty audiences through word of mouth instead of TV spots and other promos.
Arizona may not always be on the limited release list for these independent movies that tend to usually hit Los Angeles and New York first, but our state has been blessed with the presence of more than a few independent movie theaters that are showing some of these more artsy films year round including Harkins Camelview 5, MADCAP Theaters in Tempe, and Harkins Valley Art.
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Last Saturday I had lunch in Burlington (WI) with some friends and took advantage of the opportunity to visit River Valley Ranch and do a little shopping.
Portobello-Swiss brats were on the lunch menu so I gave one a try.
Sold! I bought a package to take home.
They grilled up really nice (good mushroom flavor) and while I'd prefer that they be made with unprocessed Swiss cheese, the processed version melts better within the sausage. Unfortunately Burlington's almost an hour away so it might be awhile before I buy any more!


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I recently had the opportunity to modify an application that Rick Rocheleau wrote to demonstrate the printing improvements in AIR 2. With the AIR 2 Release Candidate publicly available, it seems like a good time to let developers experiment with the new and improved APIs. I'm releasing the source code for a version of Rick's app that I modified to use Flex 4, which also includes some helpful comments for developers.
Here's a screencast that summarizes the application and some of the AIR printing APIs:
What I demonstrate in the video–and what you can try for yourself by downloading the code and/or AIR file–is a Flex 4 (Spark) group that lays out text in a printable area; this area is constrained by the paper selection, and will print to any attached printer exactly as it appears on the screen. The printing APIs in AIR 2 let you hand it any sprite, which will get passed along to the system in either vector (PrintMethod.VECTOR) or bitmap (PrintMethod.BITMAP) modes. AIR 2 has increased performance for both these modes, and also adds vector printing support on Mac. There's also a new printing mode called auto (PrintMethod.AUTO) that will leave the mode decision up to the runtime; this has the advantage of not requiring you to guess which mode is best for printing the user's content. In auto mode, the runtime will choose between vector or bitmap mode for performance and speed. In this application the appearance of a translucent watermark on the content will cause the runtime to choose bitmap mode, and its absence will result in it choosing vector mode.
Another notable improvement is the ability to get a list of printers from the system without having to start a PrintJob first; you can use this information to create a drop down box of choices for the user, and set which printer should be used for future jobs. You can also set the paper size, change orientation, receive information about the printable area based on your paper selection, and gain more control over the printing UI. You can choose to display the page setup dialog (without needing to start a PrintJob), and you can also choose to print by displaying the native system UI or suppress the native UI and send the job directly to the printer. The latter of those two options is useful if you want your application to control all aspects of the page/printer setup, and/or if you want to streamline the printing process for the user.
I encourage you to watch the screencast to learn more, and to check out the source code and application:
Source code: PrintFeatureDemo.zip
AIR file: PrintFeatureDemo.air
You'll need a version of AIR 2 to both compile and run this print demo. You can use the publicly available AIR 2 Release Candidate:
AIR 2 Release Candidate on Adobe Labs: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/air2/
AIR 2 will give you more control and performance with printing; AIR 2 is not yet a final release, and this printing app is just a demo. If you believe you've found bugs in either, don't hesitate to report them here. I'll make sure they're addressed. I'm also eager to hear about your ideas or improvements for the printing app.
Update 1: I uploaded new versions of the AIR file and source code, which should fix a problem with running or compiling the code using AIR 2 Beta 2.
Update 2: The documentation for AIR 2 Beta 2 is available through Adobe Labs, but here's the direct link to the Beta ActionScript 3 docs: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashPlatform/beta/reference/actionscript/3/index.html
Update 3: We just released an AIR 2 Release Candidate (May 11th, 2010), and I've updated the post to point you to this version. I've also updated the AIR file and code, so that it'll work with AIR 2 RC (and not AIR 2 Beta 2).


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Type A Films, Reese Witherspoon's aptly named production company, pretty much sums up the Aries vibe. Like the competitive starlet, your quest to become the best is unmatched. Warrior planet Mars is your sign's ruler, after all: you know what you like and how you want it done, and woe betide the person who stands in your way. Like this movie star mogul mom, your mission is to create the enviable life of a woman who has it all, even if you have to build that life all by your damn self for a while. You won't rest until you're clutching your Academy Award, and even then, you'll keep raising the bar higher. Never predictable, you walk the line between cool Glamazon and passionate fireball—a fascinating paradox to behold.
Rumor has it your sign can be stubborn, but like chanteuse Adele, you simply insist on living life on your own terms. An earth sign, you keep your feet firmly planted on terra firma, never letting success go to your head. Family is everything to you. Like mum-to-be Adele, you might get an early start on creating your own brood or adopt yourself into the families of your extensive social network. Ruled by sensual, romantic Venus, you keep the chambers of your heart wide open. You'd rather be rolling in the deep than emotionally detached. And if Cupid's arrows don't hit the mark, you'll harness the powers of your celestial ruler Venus and turn your pain into beautiful music, art, or another inspired expression that uplifts everyone around you.
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Intel Strives to Educate and Empower Girls Around the World
October 18, 2012 by in Business News | Careers | Education | Events | Tech
In celebration of the United Nations' first International Day of the Girl, Intel Corporation is expanding its global commitment to furthering education for girls and women by announcing multiple strategic partnerships and programs. Millions of girls around the world have limited or no access to education. Intel believes that broader access to education for girls… Read More →


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Armie Hammer gossip, latest news, photos, and video.
The nameless Superman
Henry Cavill and Armie Hammer were in Vegas earlier this week at CinemaCon to promote The Man From U.N.C.L.E. It comes out in August. And as I mentioned earlier this week, neither star has much heat right now so the marketing team for the movie has to get on it, soon. Cavill in particular, given that he's Superman, really needs this. Full Story
Oh yeah, Armie Hammer
Armie Hammer and his wife Elizabeth Chambers stepped out this weekend for the LACMA 50th anniversary gala. My first thought when I saw these pictures: "Oh yeah, Armie Hammer." He was supposed to be a thing, wasn't he? He was supposed to be on the verge of a big career. Full Story
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. trailer is vintage porn
It's all kinds of porny—suit porny, handsome-guy-porny, spy porny—but mostly it's straight vintage porn. The first trailer for Guy Ritchie's The Man from U.N.C.L.E. is here and it looks amazing. I mean literally, it LOOKS amazing. Ritchie has always been a stylish director, but this is some next-level retro cinema sh*t that I can't stop watching. Full Story
Henry and Hammer: after the summer
Looking ahead from 6 months, there were high expectations for both Henry Cavill and Armie Hammer. Man Of Steel and The Lone Ranger were supposed to make them big movie stars? What's on the report card? Well, Cavill pissed his momentum away with a Kaley Cuoco situation. And Hammer's Lone Ranger took a dump at the box office and then he tried to blame the critics for its failure. Full Story
Armie's underwhelming summer
Armie Hammer was supposed to be a big time movie star by now. Only The Lone Ranger didn't deliver. But, you know, that was the critics' fault. Blame them. If the critics didn't take a dump on the movie, would Armie Hammer have had a shot at Batman? According to Sarah, he was actually supposed to be Batman once a few years ago for a project that fell apart. Full Story
Armie Hammer's snit-fit
I wonder which is more uncomfortable—promoting a movie that you know sucks, or promoting a movie after it tanks? Based on Armie Hammer's recent interviews, he does not seem to be enjoying promoting The Lone Ranger in the wake of its disastrous performance this summer—and let's take a moment to laugh that they're still shilling for that movie—but is it any worse than having to promote Mirror Mirror? These are the questions I wish someone would ask. Full Story
Johnny & Armie on the red carpet
The Lone Ranger premiere happened the other day. Not in Hollywood but at Disney California Adventure Park. Depp, as we know, has been a Disney man for some time now. He's made a lot of money for Disney as Captain Jack Sparrow. Disney has paid him a lot of money for his services. And they hope he will continue delivering money as Tonto. Full Story
Ranger in Tokyo, Tonto in LA
Wenn, Pacific Coast News
Armie Hammer was in Tokyo today promoting The Lone Ranger all by himself. But you know how the Japanese feel about Johnny Depp. Johnny is shooting Transcendence in LA right now and couldn't make it. I'm sure they'll have him back at a later date. Johnny's actually pretty fun when he goes to Japan. Full Story
Armie Hammer's apprenticeship
I said once that no matter how bad The Lone Ranger looks, I wouldn't bet against director Gore Verbinski pulling a rabbit out of his hat and coming up with something entertaining and crowd-pleasing, if not exactly good. Verbinski is the kind of director that exceeds in chaotic conditions and he has a knack for finding solid character beats amidst splashy action sequences. Full Story
Little Johnny, Big Armie
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There are worse things than The Lone Ranger. Like, say, Transformers 1-3, conclusive. Or World War Z. WWZ looks terrible because it's so freaking generic, like someone threw Independence Day, Armageddon and The Walking Dead into a blender and WWZ is the vomitus mass that came out. Or the entire Fast & Furious franchise. Full Story
The Lone Ranger looks sh-tty, will make money anyway
The second trailer for Disney's The Lone Ranger is out and oh God, it looks hilariously awful. Not because of Johnny Depp as Tonto, but because it just looks like a clichéd, bloated summer action movie. So, like, bad in the regular way. People are, of course, always and forever going to debate Depp as Tonto, as we have done here Full Story


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Josie A. Vanschoyck, 37,
Belmore, pleaded guilty to dogs running at large and was fined $150. A
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Thomas Lane, 64,
Cloverdale, pleaded no contest to assault, sentenced to 180 days jail,
suspended, fined $150, $100 suspended, complete assessment at Pathways
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Sandra L. Wallen, 25, Delphos, charged with theft, a felony, bound over to common pleas court.
Civil/Aug. 11
John L. Duncan, Leipsic, to pay judgment of $2,089.38, plus interest and costs to Capitol One Bank, Richmond, Va.
Judith M. Solomon, Columbus Grove, to pay judgment of $302.27, plus interest and costs to St. Rita's Medical Center, Lima.
Steve Klausing, Fort Jennings, to pay judgment of $320.80, .plus interest and costs to Lima Pathology Association.
Aaron R Sherry, Continental, to pay judgment of $4,046.77, plus interest and costs to OMNI Health Services, Brecksville.
Ronda Elmerick, Kalida, to pay judgment of $3,473.84, plus interest and costs to Lima Memorial Hospital.
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Chandra J. Collier, Ottoville, to pay judgment of $12,101.32, plus interest and costs to Discover Bank, New Albany.
B. Doepker, Ottawa, to pay judgment of $632.81, plus interest and costs
to Capital Alliance Financial, LLC, Grand Rapids, Mich.
Nicole George, Leipsic, to pay judgment of $1,204.83, plus costs to Midland Funding, LLC, San Diego.
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Brandon M. Paxton, Continental, to pay judgment of $303.63, plus interest and costs to Dewood Tools, LLC, Findlay.
Deborah K. Rhees, Continental, to pay judgment of $2,023, plus interest and costs to Defiance Regional Medical Center, Sylvania.
Deborah K. Rhees, Continental, to pay judgment of $774.87, plus interest and costs to Bluffton Hospital, Findlay.
Gwen R. Cupp, 38, Leipsic, speeding, $60 fine.
Justin D. Shafer, 32, Ottawa, speed-25 mph zone and seat belt violation - driver, $90 fine.
Robert C. Riepenhoff, 34, Lima, speeding, $50 fine.
Caroline M. Jefferson, 41, Canton, speeding, $60 fine.
Lynn M. Trenkamp, 34, Fort Jennings, seat belt driver, $40 fine.
Steven J. Nienberg, 25, Ottawa, seat belt driver $40 fine.
Michael P. Donaldson, 21, Defiance, speeding, $60 fine.
Thomas Womack, 20, Findlay, signals rev. lanes, $50 fine.
Jeffrey A. Kissell, 48, Strongsville, speeding, $60 fine.
Jose Mondragon-Lopez, 24, Ottawa, driving without valid license - unclassified misdemeanor, failure to control, $210 fine.
Jill M. Niese, 49, Leipsic, speeding, $60 fine.
Jenni L. Litten, 57, Columbus Grove, speeding, $80 fine.
Kevin M. Zimmerman, 18, Defiance, right-of-way/stop sign/yield signs, $50 fine.
Eddie L. Miles, 65, Troy, speeding, $60 fine.
Roger L. Parsons, 34, Lima, seat belt driver $40 fine.
Jared J. Zeller, 20, Columbus Grove, seat belt driver, $40 fine.
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History 337. Power and Protest in the United States
Democracy, citizenship and civil rights in the United States are not static concepts unaffected by societal change, or apt to be changed without pressure from marginalized populations. In this course, we will examine how the growing consciousness and activism of several marginalized populations during the 20th century developed into social movements that changed the meaning and the delivery of democracy, citizenship and civil rights. These changes directly affected the lives of marginalized populations in the United States, and indirectly the lives of the majority population and global communities as well.


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LEWISBURG, Pa.- The University of Pennsylvania field hockey team fell lost at Bucknell on Sunday, 2-1, dropping the Quakers to 2-1 on the young season. The Bison improved to 3-3 with the victory.
Elise Tilton scored Penn's goal early in the second half, converting a high shot from about 12 yards out. Elizabeth Hitti was credited with an assist on the play.
Bucknell opened the scoring in the game's ninth minute when Abby Watson tallied her first of the year. After Tilton's goal tied things up, the Bison took the lead for good in the 53rd minute when Leigh Hillman scored on a backdoor tip from a penalty corner.
Carly Sokach had a monster game in goal for Penn, making 11 saves to keep the Quakers in striking distance.
Penn is home for its next three games, as the Quakers christen the new Ellen Vagelos Astroturf Field with its first home contests. The first one comes next Saturday at noon, when Penn hosts Cornell in the Ivy League opener for both teams. The next day, also at noon, the Quakers entertain Pacific. Finally, on Wednesday, Sept. 25, Penn hosts city foe La Salle at 4 p.m.
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We had an early supper last night because my wife had to work so I grilled up a half-dozen cheeseburgers with just ground beef, seasoned salt, and pepper. I'd picked up some good Muenster cheese the day before so I cut some fairly thin slices to put on the patties.
No pics this time around but Jimmy Buffett's right - a medium-rare Muenster cheeseburger is definitely worth singing about! Usually I use the presliced versions of American, Colby, etc. for burgers because they're convenient but the Muenster was easily worth the minimal effort it took.


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AMD Sempron: A Fresh Take on Budget Computingby Derek Wilson on 7/28/2004 12:01 AM EST
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abrogard - Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - link
I think there's something should sweep through the internet: Clearly labelling the country of origin of your site! It's not clear which country we are in, often, and therefore what money we're talking.
Followed by clearly dating the page.
:) Reply
cleanjew - Friday, January 14, 2005 - linkHi, can someone tell me if it would be a good idea to buy a computer running an amd sepron 3000+, i would be using it to run mid range games, and i would like to use internet and productivity software at a fast speed. Do you also think it would be faster than a celeron and comparable to a p4?
If you want you could email me at firstname.lastname@example.com Reply
trexpesto - Saturday, August 21, 2004 - linkI just got a Shuttle AN35N and retail TBred 2700+ for ~119 incl. shipping and tax, on sale at outpost. Reply
Sparrow - Friday, July 30, 2004 - linkBut in the test he say's that the extra 83 MHz make the difference !!!
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coldpower27 - Friday, July 30, 2004 - linkI am guessing Anandtech was using the Barton based 2600+, you know the one with 1.92GHZ/333FSB. Reply
Sparrow - Friday, July 30, 2004 - link???? If a Sempron 2800+ is a Thoroughbred (166*12) and the xp 2600+ is a Thoroughbred (166*12.5) why can the Sempron be faster in some test's ? an error or are there some changes in memory speed ????? !!!!!!
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MAME - Friday, July 30, 2004 - linkawesome AMD, just awesome
this chip is very nice Reply
coldpower27 - Friday, July 30, 2004 - linkHey Trogdor, notice I can post here now too:)
Anyway, just to sum up I would like to see these processor as well.
Athlon XP-M Barton @ 2.3,2.4,2.5 using 200x11.5, 200x12, 200x12.5
Celeron Northwood-128
Celeron Prescott-256
Duron Applebred
Pentium 4 Northwood, Prescott
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Zebo - Thursday, July 29, 2004 - linkoh LOL:) Reply
TrogdorJW - Thursday, July 29, 2004 - linkWoah, KF... that was a whole lot of stuff to post, quite a bit of it rather unrelated. You must have even more free time than me! ;)
Zebo, you apparently missed the point completely: "The overlapping Athlon FX, Athlon 64, and now Sempron names is going to really cause confusion among the *less-informed* public." The less-informed public doesn't include anyone reading hardware sites or OC forums. Yeah, Sempron is the value system meant to compete with Celeron, but both AMD and Intel are happy to sell lots of slower, "crippled" chips to the uninformed buyers. The 2.8 GHz Celeron chips were absolutely terrible performers - about as fast as a P4 1.8 or 2.0 - but Intel was more than happy to dupe people into purchasing those with their high clockspeed. The Celeron D is better, but the tactic remains the same. AMD is now joining them, calling lesser processors "3100+" and "2800+" and leaving it to the salespeople.
You don't think there are going to be plenty of salespeople pushing these systems with claims like "the Sempron 2800+ is basically just as fast as a 2.8 GHz chip, and the only difference between it and the Athlon 64 2800+ is the lack of 64-bit support, which really isn't needed anyway"? In sales, it's a lot more important to get a sale than to get a big sale. They'll shoot for the big sales if possible, but when someone wants a cheap system, they'll talk up the Sempron (and/or Celeron) as though it's just as good as a more expensive Athlon64/Pentium4.
That's what I meant when I said it's creating confusion, and that the confusion is likely to be an intended consequence. Car manufacturers do the same thing: you don't want an informed purchaser coming in to buy a car! You want the salesman to have the advantage, so that they can get the buyer into *any* Ford, Chevy, Honda, etc. and keep them from going to a different store.
Most PC shos (and car dealerships) make a set amount of money off of a sale, because the hard drives, case, monitor, RAM, etc. all have markups. So if someone buys a computer, the shop makes at least $100. $100 on a $500 computer is a good return. If they buy a $1000 computer, they might make $150 to $200. Granted, on the "luxury" computer systems that cost over $2000, they'll make a killing, but those are hardly ever sold. Reply
chuwawa - Thursday, July 29, 2004 - linkGreat article! I'm looking forward to the overclocking one that's to follow. Things I'd like to see compared in it:
1)AthlonXP-m at 2.4ghz
2)Athlon64 3000+ at 2.4ghz
3)push the Sempron 3100+ as high as it would go without getting too hot with the retail heatsink
4)Do #3 with a good aftermarket heatsink
Probably do 2-4 with one of the cheaper mobo's like the Chaintech one (it's a budget CPU afterall).
Perhaps also do it with the $150 Epox board to see if there's a large difference, but if it's a large hassle, it's no big deal.
One thing that's bothering me is this mentality that s754 is dead and that s939 has the only viable upgrade path. How are people so sure without a doubt? If you go s754 now, you'll be able to upgrade to the 64 3700+ which is a pretty decent processor.
From what I understand, AMD is about to move into dual-core processors in about a year and won't those need a new socket to function?
KF - Thursday, July 29, 2004 - linkThe Sempron line turns out to be interesting to the performance-minded after all.
Now that AMD is scaling the performance rating/model number of their value line to Intel Celeron Ds, Intel zig-zags again. Why would Intel marketing permit consumers to make an easy, obvious and sound judgement, especially considering which way it would go?
>You don't mean to tell me you still believe AMD's line about "PR rating
>is scaled off the old thunderbird" do ya.:P
Since that is the only reasonable understanding, a reasonable person should. I didn't see TrogdorJW getting into this at all though.
Actually, the reference to TBird scaling disappeared off the AMD site maybe 2 years ago. At least I haven't been able to find it for years. What they did have (and somewhat hard to find) was a paper on a performance-based rating which AMD proposed. Surely no one at AMD truly believed Intel would ever go along, did they? What they don't have in the paper is what the base processor (the one you scale everything to) would be. Here's how you do it (in the paper.) You do the group of benchmarks and then do an averaging. AMD calls their averaging unweighted, which really means the weightings are 1.(If you don't pick a 1 weighting, then people will argue over the weighting factor.) Then you scale the average to a reference processor's rating. That could give you a ratio or per cent, but instead you could take the clock speed of one reference processor, to come up with a imaginary "equivalent" clock. Of course, true speed even within the same chip line doesn't scale linearly to clock speed; it is just pretty close when the clocks are pretty close; which makes the equivalence imaginary.
One problem is that the benchmarks that have the same name get updated by the creators at intervals. They might not have the same ingredients, or at least they have the newer version of the old programs. (QuakeIII vs QuakeII?) Should you keep the old benchmarks, which would provide a constant standard of measure, or if not, when should you phase in the new? If you change the base benchmark, then you no longer have an absolute scale. OTOH, if you don't change, you have a set of benchmarks which get further and further away from real-life performance. There is no way to settle this abstractly. As is well known, when Intel changes processor generations, programs get more optimized to the new processors on a timeline of a year or two. Do you go back and change the model numbers of the old models, now that everything on which it is based is changed? This amounts to the result that a rating (model number) which was conservative to start with gets to looking pretty dubious after 1-2 years. Right now Sempron-to-Celeron ratings look VERY conservative.The initial XP ratings were very conservative. People are satisfied when expectations are exceeded. They think that is as it should be. They get irrate if it falls short. Therefore you have to underrate to stay on people's good side.
I can see how a pure model number would be OK in the server market, where the buyers are likely technically minded and can figure it out on their own. And I can see how Intel could get away with it even with consumer chips; a higher model number is better, and worth more, even if you can't tell how much. Vaguarities can be worked to advantage. Salesmanship can make a big deal out of tiny differences, and "pump the chump" for more dough. There would be dismay anyway as Intel reverts to higher instruction-per-cycle chips for the next generation, and maybe doing this asynchronously will cushion that. If you do it simultaneously, you arouse suspicion. Intel will probably hand out brochures with there own "Intelmark" ratings during the transition, like they did in the 486-to-Pentium transition.
I think it is obvious that AMD picked the Tbird to scale the model number to because it was just about the same as the Pentium II/IIIs. That was OK while programs were still optimizing for that chip. As companies optimized for the various, drastcally different P4's, the connection to real-life performance of AMDs rating got pretty tenuous. They seem to have resynced this with A64 chips, but they aren't saying to what AFAIK. They are being vague about Sempron. Of course AMD marketing expects the rating to be compared to Intel chips. What else would people do? I have no argument with the marketing necessity of this for AMD. They are distinctly behind Intel in marketing savy anyway, and IAC AMD can't market the same way as the leader does. But AMD should have all the details spelled out somewhere for the technically and scientificly minded. These are the people that are (in effect) making or breaking AMDs reputation in the media. Getting on the good side of these people did wonders for the original K7. That, and a great chip too.
>Along with the added reliability Intel offers
Intel doesn't offer any added realiability. About the only time you get into this is when you buy some oddball "blowout" revision on some closeout site to save $3. Sometimes I wonder about the sanity of system builders who do this and lose the bet.
>the only real reason AMD got into the chipset business in the first place was because ...
There was another, rather more difficult to resolve, reason. To incease market penetration, Socket 7 chipsets were never restricted by Intel (there were a skillion makers), while Intel reversed course and denied licenses to the PII bus relentlessly, with the idea of heading off possible AMD PII clones (when AMD bought NexGen.) Intel had terminated (in court) any further cross-licensing to AMD, with the intent of shutting down clones from AMD. (Years afterward, they formed a peace treaty out of necessity.) VIA only lefthandly, and against Intel's determination, got a license by buying Cyrix from National Semiconductor. NS was unloading Cyrix for practially nothing after canceling whatever future plans it had, having effectively destroyed Cyrix in the interim. And Cyrix only got a license from Intel to settle a patent suit Intel was losing. Intel fought VIA in court but did not prevail. Intel never intended to let anyone get a license until AMD was kaput. Unless AMD was willing to develop a chipset for the K7, and give the rights away, there would be no K7. Rather than concede, AMDs solution was to license the EV bus from DEC (which was beginning to slide), but use connectors similar or identical to whatever Intel was using (to keep the product cheap.) Even with that, VIA directed its efforts to PII chipsets, and was very late for K7, until they realized what a smash hit the K7 was. None of AMDs "partners" ever sacificed or risked anything on AMDs behalf. They just cleaned up on eaay pickin's. The only reason Nvidia produced chipsets for AMD is that Intel to this day won't let them license for Intel's buses, other than within the MS XBox, which is what the Nvidia chipset was actually developed for. What would you rather do: Make a chipset for 20% of the market or 80%. It (apparently) is AMD's chipset design that makes the adaptation easy.
thebluesgnr - Thursday, July 29, 2004 - linkAMD created a chipset for Athlon 64 (AMD8151) but they licensed it to ALI, which released it as ALI M1687.
Zebo - Thursday, July 29, 2004 - linkTrogder,
There is no confusion in my mind.
The sempron line, the 3100+, is meant to say = 3.1Ghz CeleronD's performance.
The A64 line, the 2800+, is meant to say = 2.8Ghz P4C/E performance.
You don't mean to tell me you still believe AMD's line about "PR rating is scaled off the old thunderbird" do ya.:P Reply
TrogdorJW - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkDerek, things I would like to see in the OC update? Ah, LOTS of stuff.
First, we really need a higher-end Athlon XP represented in the charts. Given the costs of the mobile parts and the number of enthusiasts that overclock them, at the very least a 2.2/3200+ would be a nice addition, and a 2.4 GHz Barton core would be good as well.
Going along with that, some OC values from the Celeron D would be good to include in the graphs (not the 775-LGA versions, though - the boards are far too expensive to be used in a "budget" system).
How about also throwing in the the other speed Spempron and Celeron D chips?
Another addition that I would like would be to actually list the clock speeds of all CPUs in parantheses (since the model numbers basically just serve to obfuscate that knowledge these days). While we should all know (hopefully) that the Sempron 3100+ is a 1.8 GHz part and the A64 2800+ is 1.8 GHz part, the more CPUs that are listed in a benchmark, the harder it's going to be to remember what's what.
Incidentally, your article was spot on in saying that the new processor ratings are garbage. Now that Intel has sort of followed AMD into the model number arena, I would like to see AMD drop the performance ratings (since they don't mean squat) and shift to model numbers like they have on the Opteron and FX parts. The overlapping Athlon FX, Athlon 64, and now Sempron names is going to really cause confusion among the less-informed public (which is maybe the whole point?)
Last request for the OC article: how about some OC attempts with the retail 3100+ heatsink as well as with an aftermarket heatsink? Since it's still a budget processor, a lot of people might want to just buy the retail version and overclock that a little bit instead of buying an extra $50 HSF. Reply
TrogdorJW - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - link#39 - That would be the AMD750/751 chipset (at least for the earlier Athlon CPUs). When AMD first released the Athlon, and later with the switch to socket A, they created a decent chipset so that they wouldn't be dependent on the likes of Via, SiS, and ALi to provide quality chipsets. Hell, the biggest problems with the good old Super 7 CPUs from AMD (K6-2 and K6-III) was the POS motherboards and chipsets!
Luckily, the entry of Nvidia into the chipset market has given Via some incentive to not hold back (or delay) AMD chipsets, and now AMD has more or less exited the chipset business as their partners are doing a good job. I should note that the only real reason AMD got into the chipset business in the first place was because they had such a small market share that no one was concentrating on producing quality chipsets for them. It was always Intel systems first, AMD a distant second. The quality of the Athlon architecture helped to reverse that trend, and now there is a good market for AMD system chipsets. Reply
draco8099 - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - link#36
First the memory controller in the Athlon64 family is on the fricking CPU, they still need other chips on the mother board to run things.
Yes, AMD does make a chipset for the Opteron. But they also made a chipset for the AthlonMP and it matters as much as the Opeteron one does. What I am getting at is they are both server cpus that were supported.
Where are the chipsets for the T-bird, Athlon XP, Duron, Athlon 64, Athlon FX, and now Sempron. Reply
coldpower27 - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkAMD reliability, has gone up alot since it earlier days of the K6 Series, though the bad image of their lack of reliability takes time to shake off.
Though I see Intel recalling things as a good sign, it means if it doesn't meet Intel expectation they are willing to do what it takes to fix the problem. Reply
coldpower27 - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - link
Well I would consider the Sempron 3100+ a reasonable buy, you can get a good Nforce 250 mobo with it, and have an upgrade path to at least Athlon 64 3700+. There are also gonna be extensions to that line to the Sempron line on Socket 754 as we go along.
Though It's a sorta in between Socket though, more advanced then Socket 462 but lower then 939.
LGA775 from Intel is probably best compared to Socekt 939. There will be LGA Celeron D's release in the future of course, when they will be offering, a suitable upgrade path with the I915 chipsets.
The Sempron for Socket A is a meh, I would say a Sempron 2800+ just edges out the Celeron D.
Is the Sempron 2800+ at least lower multiplier unlocked? Then you can simulate the other Sempron speeds from 2200+ to 2600+
And there is no point making to try an apples to apples comparison with AMD and Intel, their architectures just differ to greatly. K7 and K8 both seem to rely on their LV1 cache quite well, as they cope well with reduce LV2 cache.
Intel on the other hand has a small amount of LV1 Cache, and with Prescott their LV1 cache is not much faster then K8's or K7's is. not to mention that deep 31 stage pipeline. So 256Kb of minimum LV2 seems to be pretty critical.
Personally to me I would take a Nforce 250GB with the Sempron 3100+ that is a very good choice for me.
I wondered if your allowed to get the top off the Sempron 3100+ and see if it is a Newcastle with disabled LV2 cache or actually a Paris core with native 256KB of cache.
As said I would also like to include the Pentium 4 2.4A for comparison purposes, as well as the lower Semprons, a Pentium 4 2.8C would be nice as well.
Also with the inroduction of the Smepron AMD, can make more money, since these are only 84mm2 cores. Unless they decide to use some Thorton core's too.
Dunno about the Sempron 3100+... They saw they were offering too much value in the low end space so they decided to reduce it. :D so they can earn more money.
Of course an Mobile Barton 2400+ 35W will offer alot more value, but it was never AMD's intention of targetting the value sector with that processor :D
We might see value still see more chips for Socket 754 since mobile chips are based on this socket.
Marlin1975 - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkAMD does make chipsets.
They have the opteron chips for AGP, PCI-X, etc...
And that is not even including that EVERY A64/FX/Opteron has the memory con. built in now. Reply
draco8099 - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - link"Reliability/compatibility hasn't been an issue for a long time. FYI Intel has had 4 recalls in as many years. AMD has never had a recall"
I agree that AMD chips are reliable... but AMD does NOT make chipsets.
There where times in the past that I wished VIA or SIS would recall the crap they sometimes produced. Thankfully Nvidia entered the chipset making business. Reply
Bonesdad - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkyah, gotta wonder where he comes up with a statement like "along with the added reliability Intel offers...". This clearly comes from someone with no experience with AMD products. I personally have no qualms about either Intel or AMD when it comes to reliability. But if AMD offers more performance/$$ than Intel, I will always choose AMD. Reply
ThePlagiarmaster - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkT8000, You're kidding right? I'll take an Nforce2 with onboard (asus A7n8x-VM/400 $81) over any onboard intel graphics. We're talking geforce4mx here. It can at least play some games. Intel's integrated graphics doesn't even come close even with the 915G chipset.
Jeez, up to 3x performance over Intel's integrated graphics...ROFLMAO. You go ahead and buy that Intel integrated crap chipset. BTW the 865/875 is no more current than nforce2. They are both old tech and both decent (uh, except when comparing onboard graphics...nvidia kicks butt here). Last page of toms review: "In addition, motherboards based on the nForce2 Ultra 400 chipset offer more graphics performance than Intel's 865G platform at a similar and sometimes lower price"
So for $81 (asus a7n8x-VM/400) + Sempron 2800 $120 (which is probably REALLY HIGH...more likely $100 when hits pricewatch or less) we have $200 at most. You said it A P4 can beat it for the same money. Well, as soon as you throw in Intel's integrated graphics it doesn't matter what chip you have...YOU LOSE. But you won't spend less than $200 for a P4 and Integrated board. No way. You'd need a P4 2.4 or better just to cache the chip in speed. The graphics is an absolute loss regardless of choices.
Reliability/compatibility hasn't been an issue for a long time. FYI Intel has had 4 recalls in as many years. AMD has never had a recall :) Reply
Zebo - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - link"i'm curious how my 2.5ghz barton compares to say a semperon running at 2.0-2.2ghz "
Is'nt everyone:)
Socket754 wise I think a sempron is about 10% faster than the mobileXP's at same speeds so 2.2 would probably equal or beat a 2.5 A-XP......Can't wait:):):) Reply
bearxor - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - link#27
I thought about that angle, and while it should work, the fact of the matter is that mpga478 is about to be just as dead as socket 462. If newer Celeron-D's were LGA 775, you could make a case for a better upgrade path with PCI-e and such.
I'm sorry guys, but I'm comparing the Sempron 2800+ with the Celeron 335, which runs at 2.8ghz. I'm not going to compare the Celeron to the Socket 754 3100+, as its name clearly states its a 3100+. If there was a Celeron running at 3100 or so, then I could compare them.
Comparing between the two 2800 classes, there just doesn't seem to be a nail in the coffin. Someone who is going to buy something like this is going to be happy with either one. Reply
Zebo - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkDerek anything we'd like to see?
Yes. I'd like to see you using good aftermarket HS.
Then I think you can get the celeron D to 3.8 to 4.0.
Also, The sempron 3100 is of most intrest to me..as it's already fast, offers cheap MOBOs like the chaintech, and I think will make 2.6 on air easy due to less cache..
Not so impressed with the socketA semprons as I think the moblie Athlons are so much better both in overclcoking and perfromance. Anyway it would be cool to throw a 2600moblie in there at 2.6..
Thanks:) Reply
tfranzese - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - link"added reliability Intel offers"
Where is it? Don't you read the news, Intel now reliably offers chipset recalls and EEPROM updates just for you.
You're either living in the past or should be on Intel's marketing payroll because you reek of it.
tfranzese - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - link"For Sempron Socket 752, I think the added cost of getting a suitable mainboard places it in the price range of a Pentium 4, that will outperform it with ease."
Really, can you back that up? Reply
T8000 - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkWith these small performance differences, I would say $20 more buys you a current Intel DDR-1/AGP platform (i865 + C335) instead of an old AMD platform (nf400 + S2800). Along with the added reliability Intel offers and the very inexpensive optional "Extreme" 2D graphics you can get, I do not think Sempron Socket A is a sensible choice.
For Sempron Socket 752, I think the added cost of getting a suitable mainboard places it in the price range of a Pentium 4, that will outperform it with ease.
So I think there is no reason to be so optimistic about Sempron, especially considering the benchmark selection in this review, that might make Sempron look better then it would in the real world. Reply
DerekWilson - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkBoth the K7 and K8 Sempron chips dissipate 62W of power maximally.
We hear that mobile chips will be coming out with mobile chips which will be in the 25W-30W range.
I'll update the article with this info. Reply
bupkus - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkAs #12 points out, power consumption and heat generation are concerns as "all onboard" mainboards lean me to MicroATX and SFF in my future builds. Reply
Falloutboy - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linksweet might be making a switch to a sempron 3100 soon....
might be nice in your overclocking matchup to compare them to the the mobile bartons in terms of performance. i'm curious how my 2.5ghz barton compares to say a semperon running at 2.0-2.2ghz Reply
LoneWolf15 - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkP.S. Is the Sempron 3100+ multiplier-locked? As some mentioned, overclocking capabilities would be good to know. :) Reply
LoneWolf15 - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkPersonally, I'd like to see how the Sempron 3100+ compares with the Athlon XP 3200+. Plenty of folks are on the edge about whether to hang on to their Socket A mainboard through one more upgrade, or bite the bullet. As I just bought an Athlon XP-M and have it running stably at 2.4GHz (12 x 200), which would probably equate to about Athlon XP 3300-3400 speeds if one existed, I'd like to know if the advanced memory controller would be worth my while, or if I might as well wait until the Athlon 64 platform becomes more mature and Socket 939 CPU prices come down. Reply
thebluesgnr - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - link#18,
I never said you can't buy AMD boards in the $40 range. I simply pointed out an error in the article. The only fanboy-like posting here is yours.
btw, it would be very hard for me to be an Intel fanboy when my main rig is powered by XP-Mobile 2400+ and my home file server is an Athlon 700MHz.
RyanVM - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkIf you're planning on upgrading your DivX version to support SSE3 anyway, you might as well go straight to 5.2 and wipe the slate clean. Reply
ViRGE - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - link#11, what would be the point of comparing them at equal clock speeds? The Sempron has the IPC advantage, so it would just blow the Celeron out of the water. Reply
Marlin1975 - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkOMG I love it when all the fanboys come out.
Yea and there are AMD boards in the $40 range also, etc... So stop whinning.
The Sempron is faster and cheaper then a Celeron, get over it. Reply
thebluesgnr - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkECS 865PE-A is $46 shipped on newegg, and it has SATA.
Really, the Price/Performance analysis should be redone considering there's not a $20 delta between AMD and Intel mobos, and the Sempron 2800+ should be compared to the Celeron D 330. Not to mention the difference in retail / 1000 units prices, like #14 mentioned.
Resh - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkWhen will these be available @ retail? Reply
Lonyo - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkNo edit feature on comments?
Also, you can get an 865 for $56 at Newegg (new, ASRock "P4I65GV" i865GV Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU -RETAIL)
So that means that the gap between systems is really only going to be $17 between a Sempron 2800+ system and a Celeron 335 system. Reply
Lonyo - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkAnother point, the Sempron prices you quote are in 1000 unit quantities, so on the penultimate page, there is no point if comparing the cost of a system, unless you remember that the Sempron will be $10~$15 more expensive than the price you quote.
Celeron 335 is $117 in 1000 unit quantities (on launch) and $127 at Newegg.
The Sempron will probably also be $10 more than the 1000 unit price. Reply
Lonyo - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkPages 9 and 10 both make reference to the Celeron 225.
I think this may be a typo for 335, as there is no 225 in the review ;) Reply
Calin - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkI was thinking - what is the electrical power (in relation with the other Athlons)? I am somewhat interested in a small and silent computer (socketA based) , and I would like to know which of those processons would be the happiest in crammed conditions
Calin Reply
clarkey01 - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkDerekWilson, yeah any chance you could have an 2.4Ghz Sempron going against a celeron @ The same speed. Reply
sandorski - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkI might get one when they come out for Socket 939, just because of cost issues. The SocketA versions certainly sucks when compared to the 754 version and with the limited future for Socket 754 there's nothing tempting for me. Reply
Spacecomber - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkI assume that the overclocking write-up will include the new Celerons, since I think that was skimmed over in the article covering their launch.
When discussing the value of the new Celerons (assuming the this will be part of the overclocking write-up), backward compatability with older chipset motherboards would be helpful, too (e.g., 845E).
I mentioned this in my comments to the Celeron write-up; so, my apologies for being repetitive. Reply
Stlr23 - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkSempron huh?.....Nice. Reply
LeeBear - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkOne 'budget' chip you didn't include in the roundup is the 2.4A Pentium 4 (Prescott, FSB533, 1MB Cache). It's cheaper then the Celeron 335 and with overclocking it may provide some interesting results.
-LeeBear Reply
DerekWilson - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkWe will be working on the overclock article over the next couple days -- is there anything you guys would particularly like to see? Reply
Pumpkinierre - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkGood to see the loss of cache having little effect. From 1Mb to 256K of L2 there would be barely 5% loss in overall performance even in cache biased demos and benchmarks and probably less in real gaming. 256K of L2 is right on the money, all that is needed is the S939 flavor with the dualmemory channel and a lasting socket. The a64 will show its true colours in data streaming activities once software is written or compiled for it rather than P4 biased software. cant wait to see the overclock.
Zebo - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkLooks like there's going to hardly a difference between a Celeron 335 and Sempron 2800+.
Comparing the top celeron to middle of the road athlon on a old socket A? Comparing a more expensive celeron to a less expensive sempron...
Hardly equitable. Look at the benches comaring competing processors. The 3100+ scores a, to use your words, 'WE PWNED INT3L OMG!!!' victory of 20+ % almost accross the board.;) Reply
ncage - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkthe overall value comes in upgradability. You can buy a socket 754 mb + sempron processor and be able to upgrade to an amd 64 chipset without upgrading your mb. So i think its awesome Reply
bearxor - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkI don't know...
Looks like there's going to hardly a difference between a Celeron 335 and Sempron 2800+.
I don't think anyone could sit in front of either of these processors and tell a real-world difference.
While this looks like a victory for AMD, I think its really slim victory and not much of a 'WE PWNED INT3L OMG!!!' victory.
No doubt the overall cost of the Intel system will be higher, but will it matter for OEM's like Gateway/Compaq, etc?
I imagine we'll see systems using both from most manufacturers but the only downfall I see here is that regardless of which system you choose, you're already outdated with a very minimal upgrade path. Reply
Zebo - Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - linkAwesome! Reply


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Mercedes executive technical director Paddy Lowe claims the team owed it to Formula One to allow Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg to engage in a thrilling wheel-to-wheel duel in Sunday's Bahrain Grand Prix.
The Mercedes duo were involved in some close-quarters combat on several occasions throughout the night race under the newly-installed 5,000 lights at the Bahrain International Circuit.
It was captivating stuff and ensured the result was in doubt all the way to the chequered flag, with Hamilton ultimately victorious by just 1.085 seconds from Rosberg.
It laid to rest any doubt Mercedes would attempt to manipulate their drivers following the team's dominant start to the season.
Lowe, in charge of team affairs trackside, said: "It's the spirit of Formula One and motor racing generally.
"Team orders, putting in artificial constraints, is just such a terrible thing for the entertainment, the spectacle.
"We believe we should let the guys race, particularly in a situation where we have a pretty dominant car, which has become clear now.
"It's all the more important to keep providing that entertainment and excitement for all of us. That's what it's all about.
"And in any case if you start putting in team orders, everybody gets unhappy and you just end up where everyone's a loser.
"Imagine if we had imposed team orders from lap two or something, what a terrible thing that would be for Formula One and the philosophy of Mercedes in motor sport.
"It's something we owe to ourselves, the sport and our drivers, and they are great drivers, professionals. You want to give them the opportunity to race, which is what they do.
"So we determined from the outset we would want our drivers to race all the way through from lights to flag, and that's what we did."
Despite a number of close shaves as Hamilton and Rosberg diced with each other, Lowe insists he was able to keep his cool.
Lowe, however, did take to the team radio during a safety car period that added to the tension to tell his drivers to bring the cars home.
"I didn't get overly stressed about it because I know they are great professionals, experienced drivers, and they know what it takes," added Lowe.
"I gave them a little bit of a reminder during the safety car to just remember it's all about bringing the car home.
"But that didn't mean don't race. It just meant there's a line not to cross which is where you endanger the car, and they did a perfect job."


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