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Intel Readying 15-core Xeon E7 v2by Ian Cutress on 2/11/2014 1:32 PM EST
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extide - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkI would assume the 15-core die looks a lot like the 12-core die, except it is 3 columns of 5, instead of 3 columns of 4. Reply
Ian Cutress - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkThis is confirmed - 3 blocks of 5. Reply
extide - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - linkSweet, heh, called it, (before the post was updated) :) But anyways that is a HUGE die! I wonder how big it is and how man transistors? Reply
psyq321 - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - link12-core die (used in Xeon E5, too) is most likely a 15-core. There are several hints that lead to this conclusion: same package size for 15-core E7 and 12-core E5 models and few config registers that even in E5 generations could address 15 cores. Reply
churchgeek - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkWow- interesting that the new 8890v2 cpu is going back to socket LGA2011. Reply
B3an - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkDoes this mean it could be possible we have X99 chipset motherboards supporting this CPU later this year? I'm sick of 6 and 8 cores, it's not enough for me but i'm not spending tons of typical Xeon motherboards. Reply
Gigaplex - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkYet you're willing to spend $5000 or more on a CPU? Reply
inighthawki - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkQuite an impressive power user if you need a CPU designed for a heavy load server performing multitasking tasks such as handling hundreds or thousands of simultaneous user requests and/or managing dozens of VMs.
Exactly what are you doing that 8 cores is "not enough?" Reply
ShieTar - Thursday, February 13, 2014 - linkAnd what is the magical Non-Xeon-8core he is using for it? Reply
inighthawki - Thursday, February 13, 2014 - linkHe stated "I'm sick of 6 and 8 cores" so it was more of a response to his statement as opposed to a particular processor. Ask him what he's using. :) Reply
IUU - Sunday, February 16, 2014 - linkEveryone is sick of the 6 and 8 cores, or the 4 cores as mainstream. They seem to be in the market for an eternity. You can't exactly blame fully Intel for this as really multithreaded programs are still a scarcity.You can't exactly blame programmers as well because their compensation is ridiculous and their job inhumanly demanding.
About this "power user" thing; it is dumb to self hallucinate that there is the average joe as opposed to "high performance" computing, the"big data" or "science apps". Remember that people in these fields readily salivate for gamer's gpus and be frank to recognize that supercomputing would have much less progress if it weren't for the poor average joe that you seem to scorn.
The fact that 12-15 cores are available for " businesses" but not for the average joe is a travesty that stinks of decadence, waiting for the next paradigm of innovation. Reply
twtech - Thursday, February 20, 2014 - linkThis is a bit of a chicken and egg problem, both for the hardware, and for the fact that the threading support in C++ is still relatively poor - it doesn't really have much in the way of features designed to help deal with the data-access control problem that is big issue in multithreaded programs (and C++ is still the language of choice for performance-critical apps, the likes of which would have a potential benefit from better usage of threading in the first place). Reply
sanaris - Monday, February 17, 2014 - linkVirtualization and cloud - nah.
Production - yes.
I need as much as possible power inside single motherboard to run quantum predictions. Reply
Jaybus - Wednesday, April 08, 2015 - linkThen go for more PCIe lanes for GPUs and OpenCL, rather than more SMP cores. Reply
psyq321 - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - linkIt is not the same LGA 2011 socket as Xeon E5 / Core i7 49xx unfortunately.
This is due to different memory controller, so the pin layout is different and, thus, not compatible. Reply
Kevin G - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkI'm rather surprised if they go with the same socket 2011 as SandyBridge-E/Ivy Bridge-E. One of the hallmarks of the EX line has been its good socket scalablity by having 4 QPI links. This enables 8 socket systems with minimal hops between sockets. Similarly the EX has used memory buffers to enable more bandwidth and higher memory capacities than the EP line.
If the included picture hasn't been modified by Photoshop, then we're looking at a different physical key for the socket. Reply
Ian Cutress - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkTo quote Intel's paper at ISSCC: "The processor supports two 2011-land, 40-mil pitch organic flip-chip LGA package options", which I would interpret as LGA-2011. Reply
Kevin G - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkYes, it has 2011 pads on the package. Rather are they configured the same as SandyBridge-E/Ivy Bridge-E. In other words, does it have two QPI links, four DDR3 channels and 40 PCI-e lanes as the main IO features?
Also worth pointing out is that the rumors of Haswell-E have it using a 2011 pad package as well but supporting DDR4 memory. This variant has been tagged as 2011v3. (Presumably Ivy Bridge-EX would be 2011v2.) Reply
Kevin G - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkActually looking at the block diagram, something is really weird. What is VSME and why are there seven of the links? Could these be a new serial memory bus technology? I'd fathom it'd be useful for a spare memory channel in a RAID5-like array (See the Alpha EV7). However, everything else points to two independent memory controllers which complicate such a function.
Further more, the block diagram indicates 3 QPI links which would allow this chip to scale to 8 sockets. The current Sandy Bridge-E/Ivy Bridge-E only go upto quad socket.
I wonder if Intel has some something rather crazy: enabled this die to be used in both the original LGA 2011 and a new EX variant. All the 12 core Ivy Bridge-E's were rumored to be using this die. Reply
psyq321 - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - linkIt is probably the same die shared between HCC EP and EX lines, but with different modules being enabled in EX line (extra QPI, etc.)
It could also be that Intel originally planned 15 core Ivy Bridge EP but decided to keep 15 core SKU only for the EX generation.
In any case, we are now stuck with 3 different LGA2011 configurations:
- LGA2011 - for Sandy Bridge EP / Ivy Bridge EP
- LGA2011-1 - for Ivy Bridge EX and Haswell EX
- LGA2011-3 - for Haswell EP (and maybe Broadwell EP)
Last two can support DDR4, but the memory configuration in EX line is totally different, and goes through a scalable memory buffer.
Way to keep things simple :) Reply
Kevin G - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - linkI've been under the impression that Ivy Bridge-EX would still be using memory buffers, similar in concept to FB-DIMMs and the memory buffers used by Nehalem/Westmere-EX. Since much of the device signal portion is abstracted from the main die, using multiple memory technologies would be possible. I thought Ivy Bridge-EX's buffers would start off supporting DDR3 with DDR4 buffers appearing next year, possibly as a mid-cycle refresh before Haswell-EX appears. Reply
pixelstuff - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link"suited for 4P/8P systems"
What is an example of an 8P system? Who makes such a thing? Reply
Ian Cutress - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkSuperMicro and HP have made 8P behemoths based on Westmere-EX systems. I had some time testing SuperMicro's 4P, although I wouldn't mind looking at the new 8P if they make one. Reply
Kevin G - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkIBM had the X3850 X5 that would scale up to 8 sockets. It was different as it was spread out between two chassis with an external QPI links joining them.
IBM also exploited the external QPI links to offer raw memory expanders without the need for more CPU sockets. Reply
darking - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkFujitsu Produces the RX900 too http://www.fujitsu.com/fts/products/computing/serv... Reply
mapesdhs - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link
At the extreme end, see: http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/uv/
Max configuration is a UV 2000 with 256 CPUs from the XEON E5 series
(max 2048 cores, 4096 threads), 64TB RAM in 4 racks. Note this is NOT
a cluster, it's a single combined system using shared memory NUMA. No
doubt SGI will adopt the E7 line with an arch update if necessary. The aim
is to eventually scale to the mid tens of thousands of CPUs single-image
(1/4 million cores or so).
8 processors is nothing. :D I have a "low end" 36-processor Onyx 3800 that's 14 years old...
Ian. Reply
Kevin G - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - linkSGI developed their own QPI glue logic to enable scaling beyond 4 socket with those chips.
It does have a massive global address space which is nice from a programming standpoint, though to get there SGI had to go through several weird hoops. Reading up on the interconnect documentation, it is a novel tiered structure. The 64 TB of RAM limit is imposed by the Xeon E5's physical address space. Adding another tier allows for non-coherent addressing memory space upto 8 PB. A 64 TB region does appear to be fully cache coherent in that node and the socket limit for a node is 256..
MPI clustering techniques are used to scale at some point and SGI's interconnect chips provide some MPI acceleration to reduce CPU overhead and increase throughput. Neat stuff. Reply
Brutalizer - Thursday, February 13, 2014 - link@mapesdhs,
Please stop spreading this misconception. The SGI UV2000 server with 256 sockets IS a cluster. Yes, it runs single image Linux over all nodes, but it is still a cluster.
First of all, there are (at least) two kinds of scalability. Scale out, which is a cluster - you just add another node and you have a more powerful cluster. They are very large, with 100s of cpus or even 1000s of cpus. All supercomputers are of this type, and they run embarassingly parallell workloads, number crunching HPC stuff. Typically, they run a small loop on each cpu, very cache intensive, doing some calculation over and over again. These servers are all HPC clusters. SGI UV2000 is of this type. Latency to far off cpus are very bad.
Scale up - which is a single fat huge server. They weigh 1000kg or so, and have up to 32 sockets, or even 64 sockets. They dont run parallell workloads, no. Typically they run Enterprise workloads, such as large databases. These workloads are branch intensive, and jumps wildly in the code, the code will not fit into the cache. These are of the SMP server type, running SMP workloads. SMP servers are not a cluster, they are a single fat server. Sure, they can use NUMA techniques, etc - but the latency to another cpu is very low (because they only have 32/64 cpus which is not far away), so in effect they are like true SMP server. There are not many hops to reach another cpu. SGI is not of this SMP server type. Examples of this type are IBM P795 (32 sockets), Oracle M6-32, Fujitu M4-10s (64 sockets), HP Integrity (64 sockets). They all run Unix OS: Solaris, IBM AIX, HP-UX. They all costs many millions of USD. Very very expensive, if you want 32 socket servers. For isntance, the IBM P595 32 socket server used for the old TPC-C record, costed 35million USD. One single frigging server costed 35 million. With 32 sockets. They are VERY expneisve. A cluster is cheap, just add some pcs and a fast switch.
Sure there are clustered databases running on clusters, but it is not the same thing as a SMP server. A HPC cluster can not replace a SMP server, as HPC servers can not handle branch intensive code - the worst case latency is so bad that performance would grind to a halt if HPC clusters tried Enterprise workloads.
In the x86 area, the largest SMP servers are 8 sockets servers, for instance Oracle M4800. Which is just a x86 pc sporting eight of these Ivy Bridge-EX cpus. There are no 32 socket x86 servers, no 64 sockets. But there are 256 sockets and above (i.e. clusters). So there is a huge gap between 8 sockets, the next is 256 sockets (SGI UV2000). Anything larger than 64 sockets, is a cluster.
For instance, the ScaleMP Linux server sporting 8192/16384 cores and gobs of TB or RAM, very similar to this SGI UV2000 cluster, is also a cluster. It uses a software hypervisor, that tricks the Linux kernel into believing it runs on a SMP server, instead of a HPC cluster:
"...Since its founding in 2003, ScaleMP has tried a different approach. Instead of using special ASICs and interconnection protocols to lash together multiple server modes together into a SMP shared memory system, ScaleMP cooked up a special software hypervisor layer, called vSMP, that rides atop the x64 processors, memory controllers, and I/O controllers in multiple server nodes....vSMP takes multiple physical servers and – using InfiniBand as a backplane interconnect – makes them look like a giant virtual SMP server with a shared memory space. vSMP has its limits....The vSMP hypervisor that glues systems together is not for every workload, but on workloads where there is a lot of message passing between server nodes – financial modeling, supercomputing, data analytics, and similar parallel workloads. Shai Fultheim, the company's founder and chief executive officer, says ScaleMP has over 300 customers now. "We focused on HPC as the low-hanging fruit."
Even SGI confesses their large Linux Altix and UV2000 servers, are clusters:
"The success of Altix systems in the high performance computing market are a very positive sign for both Linux and Itanium. Clearly, the popularity of large processor count Altix systems dispels any notions of whether Linux is a scalable OS for scientific applications. Linux is quite popular for HPC and will continue to remain so in the future,...However, scientific applications (HPC) have very different operating characteristics from commercial applications (SMP). Typically, much of the work in scientific code is done inside loops, whereas commercial applications, such as database or ERP software are far more branch intensive. This makes the memory hierarchy more important, particularly the latency to main memory. Whether Linux can scale well with a SMP workload is an open question. However, there is no doubt that with each passing month, the scalability in such environments will improve. Unfortunately, SGI has no plans to move into this SMP market, at this point in time"
All large Linux servers with 1000s of cores, are all clusters - and they are all used for HPC number crunching workloads. None are used for SMP workloads. The largest Linux SMP server are 8 socket servers. Anything larger than that, are Linux clusters. So, Linux scales up to 8 sockets in SMP servers. And on HPC clusters, Linux scales well up to 1000 of sockets. On SMP servers, Linux does not scale well. People have tried to compile Linux to the big Unix servers, for instance "Big Tux" server, which is the HP Integrity 64 socket Unix server - with terrible results. The cpu utilization was 40% or so, which means every other cpu were idle - under full load. Linux limit is somewhere around 8 sockets, it does not scale further.
That is the reason Linux does not venture into Enterprise arena. Enterprise which is very lucrative, needs huge 32 socket SMP servers, to run huge databases. And they shell out millions of USD on a single 32 socket server. If Linux could venture into that arena, Linux would. But there are no such big Linux SMP servers on the market. If you know of any, please link. I have never seen a Linux SMP server beyond 8-sockets. The Big Tux server, is a HP-UX server, so it is not a Linux server. It is a Linux experiment with bad performance and results.
So, these large Linux servers - are all clusters which is evidenced by they all are running HPC workloads. None are running SMP workloads. Please post a link, if you know of a counter example (you will not find any counter examples, trust me). Reply
Kevin G - Friday, February 14, 2014 - linkHere is a counter example:
It describes ASIC used in the SGI UV2000 and how it links everything together. In particular, differentiates how it is different from a cluster. The main points are as follows:
*Global memory space - every byte of memory is addressable directly from any CPU core.
*Cache coherent for systems up to 64 TB
*One instance of an operating system across the entire system without the need of a hypervisor (this is different from ScaleMP which has to have hypervisor running on each node)
I also would not cite a SGI interview from 2004 regarding technology introduced in 2012. A lot has changed in 8 years.
Similarly the "Big Tux" experiment used older Itanium chips that still used a FSB. The have since gone to the same QPI bus as modern Xeons. Scaling to higher socket counts is better on the Itanium side as it has more QPI links. Of course this is a kinda moot point as all enterprise Linux distributions have dropped Itanium support years ago.
Also the IBM p795 can run Linux across all 32 sockets/256 cores/1024 threads if you wanted. IBM's Red Book on the p795: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp464...
Oracle is working on adding SPARC support to it s Oracle Linux distribution. This would be another source for a large coherent system capable of running a single Linux image. No other enterprise Linux distribution will be officially supported on Oracle's hardware. Reply
Brutalizer - Saturday, February 15, 2014 - linkWhere is the counter example? I am asking for an example of a Linux server with more than 8 sockets that runs SMP workloads, namely Enterprise stuff, such as big databases. The SGI server you link to, is a cluster. It says so in your link: they talk alot about "MPI", which is a library for doing HPC calculations on clusters. MPI is never used on SMP servers, it would be catastrophic to develop Oracle or DB2 database, using clustered techniques such as MPI.
"MPI remains the dominant model used in High-Performance Computing today...MPI is not sanctioned by any major standards body; nevertheless, it has become a de facto standard for communication among processes that model a parallel program running on a distributed memory system. Actual distributed memory supercomputers such as computer clusters often run such programs."
So, there are no large SMP Linux servers. Sure, you can compile Linux to the IBM AIX P795 Unix server, but that would be nasty. The P795 is very very expensive 10s of millions of USD, and because Linux does not scale beyond 8 sockets on SMP servers, the performance would be bad too. It would be a bad idea to buy a very expensive Unix server, and install Linux instead.
Regarding the Oracle SPARC servers. Larry Ellison said officially when he bought Sun, that Linux is for low-end and Solaris for high end. Oracle is not offering any big Linux servers. All 32 socket servers are running Solaris.
Have you never thought of why the well researched and mature Unix vendors, have for decades stuck on 32/64 socket servers? They have have had 32 sockets Unix servers for decades, but not larger than that. Why not? Whereas the buggy Linux, has 8 socket servers or 10.000s of core servers, but nothing in between. There are no vendor manufacturing 32 socket Linux servers. You need to recompile Linux to 32 socket Unix servers with bad performance results. The answer is that Linux scales bad on SMP servers, 8 sockets being the maximum. And all larger Linux servers are all clusters, such as SGI UV2000 or the ScaleMP servers. Everybody wants to go into the Enterprise segment, which is very lucrative, but until someone will build 16 socket Linux servers, optimized for Linux, the Enterprise segment belongs to Unix and IBM Mainframes.
BTW, Oracle is developing a 96 socket SPARC server, designed to run huge databases, i.e. SMP workloads. You cant use MPI for Enterprise workloads, MPI is used for clustered HPC number crunching. Also, in 2015, Oracle will release an 16.384 threaded SPARC server with 64 TB of RAM. Both of them running Solaris of course.
Look at the picture are the bottom, here you see that for 32 sockets, each SPARC cpu can reach any other in at most 2-3 hops, which is very good. In effect, it is a SMP server, although it uses NUMA techniques.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/28/oracle_spa... Reply
Kevin G - Sunday, February 16, 2014 - linkYou need to define precisely what an actual SMP is. I would argue that the main attributes are a global memory address space, cache coherency between all sockets, only one instance of an OS/hypervisor is necessary to run across all sockets.
Also you apparently didn't read your link to the Register very well. To quote it "This is no different than the NUMAlink 6 interconnect from Silicon Graphics...". Note that SGI UV2000 uses NUMALink6 and according to your reference is an SMP machine. So please on your definition include why the SPARC M6 would be an SMP machine even though the SGI UV 2000 would not.
As for MPI, it is useful on larger SMP due to its ability to take advantage of memory locality in a NUMA system. It is simply desirable to run a calculation on the a core that resides closest to where the the variables are stored in memory. It reduces the number of links data has to move over before it is processed, thus improving efficiency. This idea applies to both large scale NUMA where the links are intersocket as well as clusters where the links are high speed networking interfaces. Using MPI provides a common interface the programmer regardless if the code is running on a massively parallel SMP machine or a cluster made of hundreds of independent nodes.
As for the IBM p795, you don't have to do any of the compiling, IBM has precompiled Redhat and Suse binaries ready to go. That goes outside of the point though, regardless of price, it is a large SMP server that can run Linux in an enterprise environment with full support. It meets your criteria for something you said did not exist. As for your thoughts on Linux not scaling past 32 sockets for business applications, IBM does list world records for SPECjbb2005 using a p795 and Linux: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/hardware/bench... Reply
Brutalizer - Sunday, February 23, 2014 - link"...So please on your definition include why the SPARC M6 would be an SMP machine even though the SGI UV 2000 would not..."
The definition of SMP is not in the architecture or how the server is built or which cpu it uses. The definition of SMP, is if it can be used for SMP workloads, simple as that. And as SGI and ScaleMP - both selling large linux servers with 10.000s of cores say in my links: these SGI and ScaleMP servers are only used for HPC, and never used for SMP workloads. Read my links.
Simple as that, they say it explicitly "not for SMP workloads, only for HPC workloads".
I dont care if a cluster can replace a SMP server running SMP workloads - then that cluster is good for SMP workloads. But fact is, no cluster can run SMP workloads, they can only run SMP workloads.
If you have a counterexample of SGI or ScaleMP running SMP workloads, please post them here. That would be the first time a cluster can replace a SMP server. Reply
Kevin G - Monday, February 24, 2014 - linkThat does not address the architectural similarities between the SGI UV2000 and the SPARC M6 for what defines a big SMP. Rather you're attempting to use the intentionally vague definition of running SMP by merely running SMP style software. I fully reject that definition as a single socket desktop computer with enough RAM can run that software with no issue. Sure, it'll be slower than these big multisocket machines and the results maybe questionable as it has no real RAS features but it would work. I also reject the idea that clusters cannot run what you define as SMP workloads - enterprise scale applications are designed to run on clusters for the simple reason of redundancy. For example large databases run in at least pairs to cover possible hardware failure and/or the need to service a machine (and depending on the DB, both instances can be active but it is unwise to beyond 50% capacity per machine). Further more, these clusters have a remote replication to another data center in case of a local catastrophe. That'd be three or more instances in a cluster.
Thus I stand by my definition of what an SMP machine is: global memory space, cache coherency across multiple sockets and only one OS/hypervisor necessary across the entire system.
There are business class benchmarks for the SGI UV2000. It is number two in the SPECjbb2005 benchmark when configured with 512 cores ( http://www.spec.org/jbb2005/results/res2012q2/jbb2... ). (The Fijitsu M10-4S is 2% faster but it has double the core count to do so. http://www.spec.org/jbb2005/results/res2013q3/jbb2... )
You also have ignored the IBM p795 Linux benchmarks for SPECjbb2005 which falls into your SMP workload category. The p795 should fit anyone's definition of an SMP machine.
As for reading your links, I obviously have as I'm pulling quotes out of them that contradict your claims ( "This is no different than the NUMAlink 6 interconnect from Silicon Graphics, which implements a shared memory space using Xeon E5 chips..." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/28/oracle_spa... ) or have noticed that they're horrendously out of date from 2004 ( http://www.realworldtech.com/sgi-interview/6/ ). Reply
mapesdhs - Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - linkBlah blah...
My rationale is simple: a "cluster" by definition does not have the low latency
required to function as a shared memory, single combined system. The UV 2000
does, hence it's not a cluster. I know people who write scalable code for 512+
cores, and that's just on the older Origin systems which are not as fast. There's
a lot of effort going into increasing code scalability, especially since SGI intends
to increase the max cores over 250K.
If you want to regard the UV 2000 as a cluster, feel free, but it's not, because
it functions in a manner which a conventional cluster simply can't: shared
memory, low latency RAM, highly scalable I/O. Clusters use networking
technologies, Infiniband, etc., to pass data around; the UV can have a single
OS instance run the entire system. Its use of NUMALink6 to route data
around the system isn't sufficient reason to call it a cluster, because NUMA
isn't a networking tech.
Based on the scalability of target problems, one can partition UV systems
into multiple portions which can communicate, but they still benefit from
the high I/O available across the system.
It's not a cluster, and no amount of posting oodles of paragraphs will
change that fact.
PS. Kevin, thanks for your followup comments! I think at the time this article was
current, I just couldn't be bothered to read Brutalizer's post. :D Reply
olderkid - Wednesday, February 19, 2014 - linkHP DL980
We have a couple running as virtualization boxes. We've also considered making them huge Oracle servers. Reply
nathanddrews - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkCool! Reply
wishgranter - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - link15 cores ? a bit weird in PC industry, its intel bug in their calculations or just they forget the 16th core ??? Or just because of thermal issues ?? Reply
iMacmatician - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkThe layout on the die is 3x5 so 15 cores makes sense. Reply
Niloc2792 - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkBut can it run Crysis? Reply
Conficio - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkTypos?
In the text it says Turbo Frequency = 3.8, while in the table it says 2.8.
Also in the text it says source - CPU-World, while in the Feed at the end it says Original Source PCWorld. Reply
Ian Cutress - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - linkClicking through to the CPU-World page lists that CPU as not having a Turbo mode. Specifications are still unconfirmed at this point - as mentioned in the piece Intel often does a balancing act of cores/MHz and will never release a max-core model with max-frequency.
My original source for the information was a PCWorld article, until I was forwarded the Intel information direct. I have used information from CPU-World as well, who have used a different source.
Ian Reply
GlennAlanBerry - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - linkI really expect that the E7-2800/4800/8800 v2 family (Ivy Bridge-EX) will have Turbo Boost. We just don't know what the specs will be from the various leaked sources. It is also supposed to have triple the memory density of Westmere-EX, plus PCI-E 3.0 support. Reply
omion - Tuesday, February 11, 2014 - linkMinor error correction (which is funny, given the line...)
double-error-correction and triple-error-correction
should probably be:
double-error-correction and triple-error-detection Reply
colonelclaw - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - linkVery frustrating that my company (architectural visualisation) could absolutely make use of these chips in our render-farm, yet our margins mean we will never be able to afford them. Intel's pricing for anything with more than 6 cores is just depressing.
I guess we're just unfortunate to be in a no-mans-land market segment that gets use from multi-core CPUs but doesn't generate enough revenue to feast at the high table. Reply
FunBunny2 - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - linkWell, I suspect Cray has some experience selling such a machine to NSA. Reply
Ktracho - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - linkI suspect NSA is more interested in CPUs that can handle many more threads (on the order of thousands) than Intel CPUs or even SPARC CPUs can. Cray used to make such a CPU, and may still. Reply
FunBunny2 - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - linkNear as I can find, it's been years (or a decade+) since Cray built a machine with a Cray cpu; it's been AMD and Intel. Lots o chips in the cabinet. The interconnects have been Cray's special sauce. Reply
fteoath64 - Thursday, February 13, 2014 - linkYeah, possibly Nvidia Tesla gpu chips as well in their mix since crypto cracking needs plenty of fpu power. These 15core monsters with 4.5 billion transistors certainly are rather power efficient at 150w TDP. Reply
SarahKerrigan - Friday, February 14, 2014 - linkCray - through its YarcData subsidiary - sells machines based on the custom ThreadStorm processor, which is a single-core 500MHz 3-issue VLIW design with 128-thread fine-grained multithreading, based on the 1990's Tera MTA machine. I assume that is what Ktracho was referring to. Reply
fteoath64 - Thursday, February 13, 2014 - linkThe Opterons 16 cores are cheaper and consume way less power, although they are not as powerful per core as the Intel part. But it seems Intel is responding to the Opteron 16 core release as AMD's pricing is much more reasonable for servers.
But I am more concerned with scale upwards in terms of core count. One can see Intel NEEDS a huge L3 cache to keep their cores fed while AMD uses larger L2 cache exclusive to each processor and small L3 cache. When AMD uses HSA for server chips it would be interesting to see who they put as non-cpu compute cores/ Maybe a giant quad-pumped fpu unit cluster that does 4ops per cycle and crunches DP fp32 faster than ever before. Reply
psyq321 - Tuesday, February 18, 2014 - linkIvy Bridge EX is simply in a different league compared to anything AMD has to offer today.
So, no, Intel is not responding to AMD with Ivy Bridge EX, as AMD has close to zero market share in this segment and has nothing to offer.
Don't get me wrong, I'd very much love AMD to become competetive again, as Intel became a de-facto monopoly and basically segments the market with eFuses which control features worth four digit dollar numbers.
It is a sad state for an IT industry as a whole, but if we talk about performance and RAS features, Ivy Bridge EX has no competing product in AMD product offering - it is literally 2 or 3 generations ahead. Reply
Einy0 - Thursday, February 13, 2014 - linkI foresee VMWare and Microsoft further revising their licensing strategies. One license of Enterprise Server for each physical CPU isn't going to cut it when that means 15 cores and 30 threads. Reply
CalaverasGrande - Friday, February 14, 2014 - linkLooking forward to upgrading my new Mac Pro from 6 to 15 core at some point down the road.
Kinda scared of the TDP, and no turbo? Reply
psyq321 - Tuesday, February 18, 2014 - linkIt has turbo, and it goes to insane speeds (for a high-end server CPU), this is why 165W TDP is for :-) Article has a typo.
And, unfortunately, you won't be able to upgrade your Mac Pro with Ivy Bridge EX, as the socket is different (EX is using LGA 2011-1, EP used in Mac Pro is LGA 2011). If you need more CPU performance than a single Intel Xeon 2697 v2 has to offer you have following options:
- Replace your Mac Pro with 2-socket or 4-socket PC workstation system, and put 2 Xeon 2697 v2 CPUs or 4 Xeon 4657L v2 (latter brings 48 cores / 96 threads to the game)
- Replace your Mac Pro with up to 8 socket Ivy Bridge EX system, but be prepared to pay a price of a small flat for such a system... But if money is no object :)
Unfortunately, both options are quite bigger than new Mac Pro, but I'd be much more comfortable with proper big server case for something that has several hundred Watts of TDP.
I'm using dual-socket ASUS Z9PE D8 WS with dual Xeon 2697 v2 for now, but for what I'm doing I'd be looking into 4P expansion... Reply
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150-foot asteroid will buzz Earth, no need to duck
Published: Thursday, February 7, 2013 at 3:45 p.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, February 7, 2013 at 3:45 p.m.
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. — An asteroid measuring 150 feet will zip past Earth next week.
The megarock will pass within 17,000 miles of the planet — the closest known approach ever for an object of this size. But NASA scientists said Thursday there's no reason to worry. They insist there is absolutely no chance of a collision next Friday.
The asteroid — considered small — will come closer to Earth than many high-flying communication satellites. It will be visible through binoculars or telescopes as it zooms by at 17,400 mph. The best viewing location will be Indonesia. Other prime viewing spots are Eastern Europe, Asia and Australia.
The asteroid was discovered last February.
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With datacenter operators grappling with limited space and power, yet ever-increasing computing demands, hardware vendors are feeling the heat. They need to find ways to deliver hardware that can, in a nutshell, do more with less. One approach is to groom individual servers to be more energy efficient by, say, reducing the number of fans, installing a more energy-efficient power supply, streamlining the overall design, and so forth. Rackable Systems has taken a different approach: Rather than focusing on energy efficiency at the server level, the company is tackling the problem at the rack level.
The company recently introduced the CloudRack C2, a unified server cabinet, built for cluster computing applications, with some innovative tricks for maximizing power efficiency as well as cooling efficiency. Case in point: Rackable says the CloudRack C2 is thermally optimized to allow datacenters to operate to as high as 104 degrees Fahrenheit. Running a datacenter at that temperature would mean that you'd have to find a new place to safely store slabs of frozen meat. But it would also mean a significant drop in operating costs, thanks to reduced CRAC usage (that is, if the other gear in the datacenter can handle the more extreme temperature as well).
[ How much heat can a standard server take? Intel recently pushed the limits. | Stay up to date on green IT new by subscribing to InfoWorld's free weekly Green Tech newsletter. ]
More with less
The power optimization of the CloudRack C2 starts at the tray level. Each tray is, effectively, an ultra-dense 1U server (1.75 inches high, 19 inches wide, and 31 inches in diameter), complete with standard components such as processor, board, and storage drives, along with features such as full IPMI 2.0 remote management and serial direct. Datacenter operators have flexibility here: The system supports a wide range of Intel and AMD processors, from Pico-ITX to EATX -- plus it's also designed to support the forthcoming Intel Nehalem Xeon. That means it's "future-ready" for next-gen upgrades.
What's particularly interesting, though, is what you won't find in each tray: no fans, no power supply, and no cover. The latter simply isn't necessary, according to Rackable. The extra sheet metal does little more than add weight to the system (which means higher costs and greater fuel consumption for shipping), and the open top offers easier access to server components. "Basically, we've removed the covers because we wanted to have an ecological design and eliminate wasteful pieces of sheet metal," said Saeed Atashie, director of server products at Rackable Systems.
As for the tray fans and power supplies, well, they're not necessary. The CloudRack C2 cabinet takes care of the cooling and power distribution for the trays. That translates to fewer moving parts; this, in turn, means greater energy efficiency, fewer rotational vibrations (which can cause reliability problems), and fewer points of failure. In fact, it equals zero moving parts at the server level if you opt for SSD (solid-state disk) drives.
Opening the cabinet
The cabinet, which comes in either a 23U or a 46U configuration, boasts what Rackable calls its Power XE power-distribution technology, which the company claims virtually eliminates the problem of stranded power in datacenters. "Stranded power" refers to power capacity that is paid for but ultimately unused by IT loads due to design or system configuration. For example, say 700 watts of power is allocated to a server that only consumes around 350 watts. Those extra 350 watts of stranded power represent wasted electricity that could be put to use elsewhere. The CloudRack C2 accomplishes this feat through greater-than-95 percent phase balancing.
Moreover, the CloudRack's Power XE technology improves power-delivery efficiency by converting incoming AC power to 99 percent efficient 12V DC power via hot-pluggable, N+1 redundant rectifiers, thus eliminating the need for the aforementioned server-level power supplies. "By replacing 40 power supplies in 40 trays with six rectifiers, we have reduced points of failure," said Atashie.
In the previous version of the CloudRack, AC power was distributed directly to the trays. This new approach of using rectifiers, according to Atashie, helps address the problem of phase imbalance and stranded power.
Keeping cool
As for cooling, the cabinet has redundant, hot-swappable fan arrays down the back. The fans are autonomic: Rotation speeds vary automatically depending on ambient temperature. According to Rackable, cooling represents 8 percent of the CloudRack's overall power consumption compared to 25 percent found in competing blade server systems. "We're consuming up to 800 watts of power per cabinet for cooling. That's remarkable compared to what the competition is doing. A 42U cabinet sold by people like Dell consumes 5,000 to 5,300 watts of power for cooling. North of 25 percent of the entire power consumption goes to cooling fans -- not to mention the noise," said Atashie.
To reiterate Rackable's intriguing claim: The system is capable of running safely in an elevated temperature environment, as high as 104 degrees Fahrenheit, which sets a high bar for other server-hardware vendors. (For a point of comparison, ASHRAE [American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-conditioning Engineers] recently said it was OK to run datacenters at as high as 80.6 degrees Fahrenheit.)
As with the trays, the cabinet is built using less metal than rival chassis: Rather than sliding out trays on rails, there are tabs on either side. Again, this eco-friendlier design means lower building and shipping costs.
One final point to raise: Rackable claims the CloudRack C2 is capable of delivering up to 32 cores per unit (1,280 cores per cabinet), or a remarkably high storage capacity of up to 8TB per unit. A high level of density is mighty appealing to a space-starved datacenter operator.
All in all, I like what Rackable Systems has done with the CloudRack C2, squeezing out greater energy efficiency while reducing cooling requirements, all of which translates to less wasted power. That means lower utility bills and fewer carbon emissions. On top of that, from an Earth-friendly perspective, I like how the company has reduced the amount of metals and other components in the system -- which also results in less fuel consumption for shipping (lower costs, fewer GHGs), not to mention fewer points of failure from an operational perspective. Better for the datacenter, better for bottom line, better for the planet. It's another fine example of a step forward for green IT.


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Always inspired…thank you Ivory (www.ivoryjinelle.blogspot.com) for the inspiration of this latest post. I wanted to call it the "winter floral" but, winter is the last thing on our minds. Especially, since we're looking forward to spring with this print!
This dark floral is perfect for those who aren't really feeling the bright colors yet, but can appreciate flowers. Am I the only one who is reminded of 90's grunge with this trend? Guess I'm really showing my age! LOL! Anyways…
Are you a fan of this floral trend?
1. Citron via Nordstrom 2. Dorothy Perkins 3. Forever 21 4. Simply Be 5. Worthington via JCP 6. Dorothy Perkins 7. ASOS Curve 8. ASOS Curve 9. Fashion to Figure 10. Torrid 11. Lucky Brand via Macy's 12. Joe Brown via Simply Be 13. ASOS Curve 14. Simply Be 15. Simply Be


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Whether it's your job, the daily grind or an intense workout that causes your feet to feel worn out, the best way to find relief is to give your feet some serious tender, love and care. Beginning today your toes will thank you with the launch of the new Sugar Foot Scrub Therapy, available at any of Valley's 28 Massage Envy clinics. Ideal for reducing daily stress or the pain and discomfort caused by dry callused skin, a Sugar Foot Scrub treatment can be added to any massage session for only $10 ($15 for guests) as part of Massage Envy Enhanced Therapies menu.
Massage Envy's partner, Bon Vital, helped formulate the sugar foot scrub exclusively for Massage Envy customers that combine fortified sugar with jojoba, olive and safflower oils, and lavender essential oil. Massage Envy's specially designed formula contains extra fine sugar granules and less oil than a typical sugar foot scrub, allowing for easier absorption into the skin. The scrub cleans and exfoliates, removes dead skin cells, and soothes the surface of the skin while stimulating lymph flow and increasing circulation. Following the sugar scrub, a whipped Bon Vital Body Butter, which is blended with cocoa butter, Shea butter, beeswax and lavender oil, is also applied to add a hydrating protective layer to the freshly scrubbed skin.
"Our new Sugar Foot Scrub Therapy is perfect to treat tired feet," said Steve Cook, Massage Envy regional developer for Arizona and Las Vegas. "The winter weather can take a major toll on our feet, but the Sugar Foot Scrub will be sure to smooth away rough spots and drench dry skin to create the ultimate therapeutic massage experience."
In addition to this new service, all Valley Massage Envy clinics are offering special Valentine's Day deals for members and guests through Feb. 14. Gift cards for massages and facials make a perfect present for your loved one and Massage Envy is offering specials with the purchase of $50, $75 and $100 gift cards. When you purchase a $50 gift card, you will receive a certificate for a free enhanced therapy, when you purchase a $75 gift card, you will receive a complimentary half-hour upgrade and with the purchase of a $100 gift card, you will receive a free one-hour massage session.
With a membership at Massage Envy, customers can choose from a variety of monthly massage and spa treatments including Swedish, Trigger Point, Deep Tissue, Sports, Prenatal and Geriatric. As part of the revamped Enhanced Therapies menu that includes AromaTherapy, Deep Muscle Therapy and Hot Stone Envy™, the new Sugar Foot Scrub will allow members and guests to further customize and boost their wellness experience. The proven benefits of routine massage include improved circulation, joint flexibility and posture, relief from pain and swelling caused by arthritis, reduced blood pressure, fatigue, migraine pain and stress, as well as improved sleep, concentration and overall sense of well-being.
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Suppose I have a query:
SELECT * FROM users ORDER BY user_id DESC
and this returns 300 rows.
What I want to know is, is it possible (in MYSQL) to know whats the record number for the user_id 50?
I know I can run a loop in my php script and start a counter and get the record number with simple if() condition, but if there are 8000 records in my table, I dont want to iterate thru all the 8000 records...hence looking for an efficient SQL Query.
Pls HelpThanks
yes, just count the number of rows with a lower user_id and add 1
SELECT COUNT(*) + 1 AS record_number_user_50
FROM users
WHERE user_id < 50
Thanks for your reply.
Question: why are you using WHERE user_id < 50
What if I want to know whats the record number where the user's first name = "Sally" and Last name = "Gratton"?
because that's what you asked for
SELECT COUNT(*) + 1 AS another_record_number
FROM users
WHERE user_id <
( SELECT user_id
FROM users
WHERE firstname = 'Sally'
AND lastname = 'Gratton' )
THanks so much for your kind help.
The query run fine but does not work when there is already a count() function in the select query. Is there a work around for this?
i have no idea what you're doing here
please show the query and the error message
No, I am not getting any error its just that YOUR count variable is adding +1 to MY count() function:
So for example:
SELECT COUNT(votes.vote_id) as vote_count, users.firstname, users.lastname, COUNT(*) + 1 AS another_record_number
FROM users
LEFT JOIN votes on (votes.user_id = users.user_id)
WHERE users.user_id <
( SELECT user_id
FROM users
WHERE firstname = 'Sally'
AND lastname = 'Gratton' )
GROUP BY votes.user_id
I am getting the result as:
vote_count | firstname | lastname | another_record_number
10 | Sally | Gratton | 11
well, if you're going to just stuff one query inside another like a gross sausage, no wonder
it would appear from your attempt that what you're really after is the number of votes for each user, and not just for sally gratton, yes?
also, i'm wondering if the ranking shouldn't also be based on the number of votes rather than the user_id
finally, if indeed you are returning stats for all users rather than just one, you should increment a counter in your application language (php or whatever)to get the ranking while printing out the users one at a time
Well, what I want is the count of the Votes for sally gratton as well as her ranking in the list. These two are NOT related in anyway.
I just want the stats of sally gratton and not all users which is why I have added the WHERE clause in my query.
so don't put them in the same SELECT clause
ranking based on what?
ranking is nothing but just the record # on which sally gratton falls in the user's table.
so that's ranking by user_id, right?
SELECT COUNT(*) + 1 AS ranking
FROM votes
WHERE user_id = users.user_id ) AS votes
FROM users
WHERE user_id <
( SELECT user_id
FROM users
WHERE firstname = 'Sally'
AND lastname = 'Gratton' )
I will try this out and get back to your if I have any queries.
Why do you want the "record number"? If you already have the user_id, you can ALWAYS retrieve that record by user_id.If there is some other important parameter by which you want to retreive a record (Sally's age, for example) you must include that as a field and you can query on that field.


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Fantasy Dolls From Anne Stokes And Cindy McClure
First-ever! Doll artist Cindy McClure recreates Anne Stokes's fantasy art in hand-painted dolls, sculpted dragons and accessories, "jeweled" gowns.
Measure 16" H
- Price:
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For the first time ever, the dark romance and exquisite details of artist Anne Stokes's renowned fantasy artwork is brought to life in this collection of maiden dolls from award-winning doll artist Cindy McClure. Each doll in the collection is sculpted to be faithful to the original Anne Stokes art, then costumed and accessorized to make the fantasies seem so vividly real! Available exclusively from The Ashton-Drake Galleries, your collection begins with Issue One, Spellbound. Soon, your collection continues with Issue Two, Soul Mates, Issue Three, Elegant Dragon, and additional collectible fantasy dolls, each a separate issue to follow.‡
Each spellbinding fantasy doll in this collection is sculpted and then cast in collector-quality artist's resin, showing off Cindy McClure's incredible artistry and her ability to interpret the breathtaking Anne Stokes art that inspires each doll. Each maiden comes with her own sculpted dragon companion that is part of her romantic story. The breathtakingly original costuming includes sculpted elements such as removable masks, laced corsets, gauntlet gloves and fabulous footwear, while the lavish fabric gowns are accented with sequins, faux jewels and much more. Strong demand is anticipated for this first-ever collection uniting the work of two amazing artists, so don't delay. Order now!
- Renowned fantasy artist Anne Stokes stunning artwork is interpreted by award-winning doll artist Cindy McClure in a
fantasy doll collection, exclusively from The Ashton-Drake Galleries
- Each stunning fantasy doll in this collection is finely handcrafted in artist's resin and hand-painted to capture the alluring details of the original Anne Stokes art that inspired it
- Each maiden doll comes with her own sculpted dragon companion - removable and poseable - that is part of her own romantic story
- The inspired fantasy costuming includes sculpted elements such as removable masks, laced corsets, gauntlet gloves and fabulous footwear
- The lavish fabric gown of each doll is accented with glittering sequins, sparkling faux jewels and much more
- Doll stands included
- Certificates of Authenticity
- Measure 16" H; 40.6 cm H
- Reserves the entire collectible Dragon Guardians of the Night Fantasy Doll Collection from The Ashton-Drake Galleries in your name so you never risk an increase on the price of other collectibles in this collection, or miss a single issue of this collection
- ‡Each issue will be shipped to you for your review, about one every month or two (pending availability), at the same low issue price and charged to the credit card on which your order was placed. No need to order each one separately
- You may cancel your collection at any time with no obligation
- "Issue One - Spellbound," will be followed by "Issue Two - Soul Mates," "Issue Three - Elegant Dragon," and additional magnificent fantasy maiden dolls as they become available
©Anne Stokes and the Anne Stokes Collection - Licensed by www.artaskagency.com
©2011 The Ashton-Drake Galleries


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OWC Releases 960GB Mercury Electra MAX 3G SSDby Kristian Vättö on 6/25/2012 12:30 PM EST
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Fujikoma - Monday, June 25, 2012 - link"The pricing, on the other hand, is actually not too bad."
Are you serious. I just paid $345 for a 512 Gig crucial SSD this weekend. There's a few hundred dollars wrapped up in premium that doesn't belong there.
I still feel like I'm getting soaked on it, but it's an acceptable drubbing. Reply
imaheadcase - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkIt is cheap, considering that simular size ranges less than a year ago could easily be close to $5k range.
Also, just because SSD prices are cheap, does not mean every size is going to be cheap. Consider that my 246 Crucial M4 i bought is less than 6 months old..i paid almost $500. So $345 you paid is SUPER cheap for 512. Reply
mlcloud - Monday, June 25, 2012 - link6 months ago, that wouldn't have been a terribly unusual price. However, many SSDs now have broken the $0.75/GB barrier, and even the M4 is usually found at a dollar pr GB. Samsung's 830 has fallen slightly below a dollar per gig at the right times and stores.
Not saying Fujikoma is justified in his comments, just explaining why he feels that way. I think this SSD is a niche product for those who might need high capacities with high random reads and writes but not so much straight up bandwidth (hence sata 3 gb/s), and it is priced appropriately as a niche product. Reply
Malphas - Monday, June 25, 2012 - link"It is cheap, considering that simular size ranges less than a year ago could easily be close to $5k range."
Yeah, but consumer electronics don't work that way otherwise you could sell a netbook for a few thousand dollars and say it was cheap compared to an IBM mainframe from the 70's with a similar level of processing power. The fact is flash prices have dropped massively in the last 12 months. Things are cheap/expensive based on today's prices, not based on what you paid 12 or even 6 months ago. Reply
Klinky1984 - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkHow do you figure out something is cheaper without historical price points to compare to?
Cheap flash prices have no translated to lower costs across the board for all sizes, especially the larger sizes. Only recently has 512GB started showing signs of big price drops. Try to find a 960GB that it significantly cheaper than this one.http://www.anandtech.com/show/6038/owc-releases-96... Also the price is probably MSRP, not street pricing. Reply
Malphas - Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - link"How do you figure out something is cheaper without historical price points to compare to?"
By comparing it to current products obviously. Like I said judging the value of consumer electronics by comparing it to historic price points doesn't work for obvious reasons. Reply
ShieTar - Wednesday, June 27, 2012 - linkYou are just discussing semantics though, most solutions at similar sizes are still close to the 5k$ range. You can find anything between 2$/GB and 7$/GB for TB-sized SSDs, but nothing anywhere near the 1.3$/GB for the above product. Reply
Pessimism - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkUnacceptable and a total deal breaker in a mid-2012 performance product. Why even bother?! Reply
danjw - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkIt isn't necessarily a RAID 0. With the SATA interface gating the speed, RAID 0 doesn't really have a benefit. While JBOD would reduce the data lost if one controller were to fail. Reply
ShieTar - Wednesday, June 27, 2012 - linkRAID 0 can still handle twice as many random reads / writes, even with the older SATA interface. Though if that is the reason for the RAID setupt, it is somewhat surprising that they would not publish IOPS results for it. Reply
GotThumbs - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkSo why would I be better off buying this instead of just buying TWO 512gb SSD drives and RAIDing them?
While I can see the advantage for those groups working with such large files at one time (CAD, Graphic Design, etc), I fail to see the benefit this product provides that can't be obtained elsewhere? Reply
boeush - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkOne word: laptops.
They frequently don't have the internal space for more than 1 mass storage unit, so you won't have the RAID option unless you want to 'upgrade' to something twice the girth and twice the weight... Reply
ShieTar - Wednesday, June 27, 2012 - linkOr small business database servers maybe? The point then is not to maximize the storage of one disc, but the storage per SATA connection, which comes to the same result. Reply
danjw - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkThe only reasons I can think of is to save a drive bay and/or SATA port. Two 512 SSDs with the same SATA 3Gbps interface would be faster, in a RAID0, not really for a JBOD, though. Reply
blanarahul - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkAh, 2 480 GB Agility 3s in raid 0. 1 TB of super speed storage at 700$! Reply
Qapa - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkOk, I really don't know, so... why do we need to 128Gb chips to make a bigger SSD, wouldn't it be possible simply to put more chips together to make a bigger SSD?
Suggestion: I saw this MyDigitalSSD SandForce mSata SMART SSDs... maybe it is a nice SSD and you guys to check it out more... SF mSATA opens new possibilities.
And btw, anyway to know if a laptop has a mSATA port available? I found a couple of forums discussing it and it seemed not to be too available yet.. do you guys know if this is coming out in full strength in most laptops now?
Thanks for any help! Reply
Kristian Vättö - Monday, June 25, 2012 - linkWith the technology used today, eight NAND dies can be packed into a single NAND package. Since 64Gb is the biggest die at the moment, it means 512Gb (64GB) can be packed into a single NAND package.
Most 2.5" SSDs have either eight or sixteen NAND packages. If there are eight packages, then the maximum is obviously 512GB (8 x 64GB). I actually don't know why you can't use sixteen 64GB packages as that would yield a capacity of 1024GB, but it's possible that controllers can only talk to a set amount of NAND dies (64 in this case). Either way, there is some limitation because e.g. SandForce spec sheet specifically lists 512GB as the maximum capacity and it also mentions that 8GB die is needed with some configurations.
When we get a 20nm 128Gb die, the capacity of one NAND package increases to 128GB and eight of them will give you 1024GB.
I've only seen Ultrabooks with mSATA SSDs (or other blade SSDs). The problem is that most laptops don't ship with SSD as a standard. Even if some model does, it's likely that the same chassis/design is used in some other configuration without an SSD. Hence it would be waste of space to have an mSATA slot, especially because you can use 2.5" SSDs instead. Reply
Qapa - Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - linkThanks Kristian for taking the time to explain that.
As for mSATA, I still believe it would make sense for laptops to ship with HDD (which is stable tech, you care about size and rpm, not so much brands...) and an mSATA so you could upgrade it to have an SSD (which is not so stable, each person prefer different SSDs for different reasons...). This would allow having the SSD+HDD which is what most people still want for price and overall space reasons... Reply
drumm_22 - Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - linkDoes this ssd support trim? or are you waiting for the full review to answer that? Reply
ShieTar - Wednesday, June 27, 2012 - link"The only other 1TB SSD is OCZ's Octane, but unfortunately we don't know what OCZ has done to achieve such capacity (and I couldn't even find a single review of the 1TB model)."
Almost true, there is also the OCZ Talos 2. But it is connected via SAS instead of SATA, as is the 800GB Seagate Pulsar. And both cost in excess of 2000$, so the OWC drive is really surprisingly good deal for the small niche of users that do need a >512GB SSD. And can't be bothered to use USB3 or Thunderbolt. Who are those people again? Reply


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Saint Leo, Fla. (April 25, 2008) – The Saint Leo softball team (33-13, 12-7 SSC) defeated the Nova Southeastern Sharks (43-18, 12-7 SSC) by the score of 3-1 at University Field Friday evening.
Ashley Urbanik (Jr., Riverview, Fla.) was solid on the mound, as she scattered five hits gave up four walks and struck out five Sharks in the complete game. Urbanik (24-8) also helped herself out at the plate going 1-for-3 with a home run and an RBI. Tatiana Casis (Jr., Part St. Lucie, Fla.) also contributed on the evening going 1-for-3 with a double and two RBI. April Slate (Sr., Land O'Lakes, Fla.), Ally Maddox (Jr., Brandon, Fla.) and Aamnda Patrick (Fr., Tampa., Fla.) each added a single apiece in the victory.
After Nova Southeastern jumped out to an early 1-0 on a passed ball, Saint Leo struck right back in the bottom of the first, as Casis laced a two-run double to left centerfield putting the Lions up 2-1.
Urbanik extended the Lions lead in the bottom of the sixth inning when she launched a solo home run around the leftfield foul poll putting the Lions up 3-1. The shot was Urbanik's 13th home run of the season, tying Casis for the team lead.
Urbanik pitched her way out of numerous jams, including a seventh inning threat by the Sharks when they put runners on first and second before Urbanik shut the door on Nova Southeastern striking out the final hitter of the game.
The Lion left five runners on base and committed one error while the Sharks left nine runners on base and committed two errors.
The Lions continue their SSC match-up with Nova Southeastern Saturday, April 26 with the doubleheader beginning at 1:00 p.m. at University Field. Tomorrow also marks senior day and each of the six Lions' seniors will be honored in between games one and two of the doubleheader.


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Mischa Barton was spotted in Los Angeles on May 5th, 2010 (source) wearing Opening Ceremony Zip up sandals, currently on sale from FarFetch.com for $136 (regularly $226.67).
Tan suede leather sling back sandal from Opening Ceremony, featuring a zip up fastening. The shoes have a yellow patent strap across the toes and an open toe. The sandals have a mid-heel.


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Derbies help give A-League tractionRichard Hinds
Published: December 24 2012 - 3:00AM
YET more impressive touches have been added to Melbourne's famed sporting precinct. From the MCG car park, Heart and Victory fans walked over a new bridge that took them past the recently completed extensions to Melbourne Park. Right to the gates of AAMI Stadium where, 30 minutes before kick-off, the excitement was palpable - and entirely justified.
From first touch to final whistle, a wonderfully intimate stadium would throb and gyrate with the rhythms of an absorbing game. Two minutes into extra-time, it would explode as Archie Thompson poached the winning goal.
Two weekends. Two vibrant, engaging A-League derbies drawing similar crowds of about 26,000. Occasions that make you wonder not why there are two teams in Sydney and Melbourne, but why it did not happen sooner.
In his former role as NRL boss, FFA chief executive David Gallop had believed, from the start, the A-League needed two teams in its biggest markets to foster intense rivalries.
The derbies, with their packed stadiums and heightened emotions, might still be the A-league's exceptions outside the finals. But they are also the showcases of the game's potential. Importantly, on Saturday night, the atmosphere in and around the stadium was raucous, not threatening. Yes, flares were ignited. Although, thankfully, none were thrown onto the pitch. Just the inane mischief-making of a few parasites feeding off a wonderful occasion.
After an unfair media spotlight was thrown on the Sydney derby because of the work of a handful of fools, terms such as ''passion'' and ''soccer culture'' were misappropriated by some misguided fans and used as alibis for the worst extremes of crowd behaviour.
Such retrograde thinking demeans the wonderful spirit of the vast majority of the fans at both derbies, and also the fans who created a raucous backdrop for Western Sydney Wanderers' 6-1 demolition of Adelaide on Friday night. That carnivale moved Craig Foster to claim the crowd of less than 10,000 at Parramatta Stadium creates ''the premier sporting atmosphere in the nation''.
It is an opinion to which the combative Foster is fully entitled. Yet, somehow, such an intentionally provocative appraisal seems intended to set soccer apart from other sports, rather than acknowledging the game is part of a broader sporting landscape. Played out in Melbourne's sporting heartland, the Victory-Heart derby gains significant context from the other grand sporting events contested within a few hundred metres.
Gallop watched the game with Carlton coach Michael Malthouse. ''He was pretty impressed with the night, and particularly with atmosphere,'' said Gallop. ''It might be unparalleled in Australian sport.'' High praise from Malthouse, who regularly coaches before crowds of 80,000-plus.
It was a night of passion, but not one on which it was necessary to claim that emotion as soccer's alone. Rather, the passion experienced as Thompson's winner just cleared the line was like the passion felt across the bridge when Dennis Lillee knocked over Viv Richards on Boxing Day 1981. The passion of 90,000 watching Collingwood and Carlton.
Of course, in the throes of sporting passion, you don't need a word to describe your feelings. As on Saturday night, the moment of triumph or despair is felt, not spoken.
The last couple of weeks has seen the very best of the A-League and its true fans. It is a competition that has become a significant part of Australia's shared passion for sport.
This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/a-league/derbies-help-give-aleague-traction-20121223-2btiz.html


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A closed fracture reduction is resetting a
broken bone
without cutting into the skin.
A closed reduction is done to realign pieces of a broken bone. It is done to:
Complications are rare, but no procedure is completely free of risk. If you are planning to have a fracture reduction, your doctor will review a list of possible complications, which may include:
The closed reduction may not be successful. Surgery may be needed to properly align the bones.
Before your procedure, talk to your doctor about ways to manage factors that may increase your risk of complications such as:
Your doctor may do the following:
Leading up to the procedure:
Your doctor will usually give you
local anesthesia to numb the area. You may also be given a sedative.
In some cases,
general anesthesia
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The bone fragments will be moved into their normal position. Traction will be applied and a cast or splint will be used to hold the bones in place. No incisions are needed.
Another x-ray will be ordered to make sure the bone is in the correct position.
This depends on the type and location of the fracture.
You will have some pain after the procedure. Ask your doctor about medication to help with the pain.
You will usually be able to go home after the procedure.
During your stay, the hospital staff will take steps to reduce your chance of infection such as:
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After you leave the hospital, contact your doctor if any of the following occurs:
In case of an emergency, call for emergency medical services right away.
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Ortho Info—American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons
Canadian Orthopaedic Association
Canadian Orthopaedic Foundation
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Nick Lachey and Vanessa Minnillo Got Married!
Nick and Vanessa tied the knot over the weekend.
-PJ Gach
Shortly after Nick Lachey and Vanessa Minnillo announced that they were going to turn their trip down the altar into a reality TV show, they did it! The two were married this past Friday at a secret tropical location, the Daily Mail reports.
Nick said, "Our wedding invitations were in the form of a plane ticket. 'We told them they were going away and the attire was 'island chic.' It was all very vague."
Read Oui! Oui! Brad and Angelina Are Getting Married!
The wedding was small, only 35 friends and family joined the two at their palm tree getaway. Vanessa wore 6.0 karat earrings loaned to her from celebrity jeweler, Martin Katz, and a two piece outfit designed by Monique Lhuillier. The top was a lace corset embellished with roses and crystal. The skirt was hand-tufted and made from silk faille. Nick wore a Dolce & Gabbana suit.
The hunt for the wedding gown, chapel, reception and the entire wedding will be seen on July 30, when their show, Nick And Vanessa's Dream Wedding debuts on the TLC cable channel.
PJ Gach is Senior Editor: Style + Beauty at BettyConfidential.


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Prime SuspectsProbability puzzles require you to weigh all the possibilities and pick the most likely outcome.
Two hundred people in an auditorium are asked to think of a single digit number from 1 to 9 inclusive and write it down. All those who wrote down a prime number are now asked to leave. Ninety people remain behind in the hall. How many of these are expected to have written down an odd number?
HintRemember that 1 is not a prime number.
AnswerThose that remain behind must have written {1,4,6,8,9} and from this only {1,9} are odd. The probability of an odd number is thus 2/5.
Expected number of odds is 2/5 * 90 = 36.
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