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Stirring The Pot
It's just under a week before the Mumbai Queer Azaadi March (QAM) festivities begin. In anticipation of their upcoming kick-off performance, I wanted to pay a visit to a rehearsal of India's first and only queer Flash Mob, a dance contingent organized and supported by Yaariyan, the youth branch of The Humsafar Trust. Last year, the Flash Mob made a big splash in the media when it became India's first queer-organized dance group of this kind. Today, they are prepping for another media blitz set to start off this month's QAM festivities. During one of their rehearsals, I sat down with the group's choreographer Kam Gade. This is what he had to say:
I happened to be there to witness last year's Flash Mob, the first of its kind in South best online casino Asia. I covered the event with filmmaker Sridhar Rangayan, Executive Producer of Solaris Pictures. He turned our combined footage into a viral video. In case you're interested, have a look:
There really isn"t much of a science to the Flash Mob. But, in a way, that's the point. "We're just here to have fun," says Kam. Still, for other Flash Mobbers, the group is much more than a social hang-out. "It feels good to be a part of something big like this. It makes you feel like you have a place in this world. This is my place," says Sheldon, a Flash Mob dancer. For all of its participants––gay, bisexual, lesbian, queer, transgender, straight alike––it"s about getting together and forging important emotional bonds through coordinated physical exercise. Ok, I wouldn"t call it "exercise" for its participants. Nevertheless, it seems that for them, the physical act of sweating together serves the metaphorical role of the shedding of labels that bind them to particular sexual, ethnic, religious, or economic identity categories. If taking over public spaces, like Marine Drive in south Mumbai, constitutes the symbolic act of foundation building, then it is their blood, sweat, and tears (of joy) that make the cement, caulk, and porcelain tiling that help erect this community.
Keep an eye out for the QAM Flash Mob 2013 on YouTube starting on January 26th.
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Jeff dat is just amazing… i lov d way u pictured all of us…v all lov u….
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January 29th, 2013
Wow, thanks Siddharth! So glad you like it. You guys rawked the house last Friday! Stay tuned for the viral video. It should be up and running by the end of the week vis-a-vis Prashansa! Cheers.
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January 29th, 2013
Hi Jeff,
We love what you do and its really nice to have you around. Love your work and kudos to the way you capture these moments and make them priceless.
Loads of Love
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January 29th, 2013
hey siddharth;
you doing an awesome work…..we all friends are proud of you, keep up the good work..
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Hey Jeff,
That was an excellent piece of shoot. Brilliantly covered.
Its always a pleasure to have you around….
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January 30th, 2013
Hey Jeff…kudos!! Great job!
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January 30th, 2013
Good work Kam & team, amazing video Jeff – Kudos!!!
Jay on
January 30th, 2013
Hey Jeff! I love how you've captured such lovely moments of QAM activities to shape this work.
Very well made! keep up the good work!
payal on
January 30th, 2013
hey jeff awesome work….congrats kam
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January 30th, 2013
This is so enjoyable to see them taking it to the street and having so much fun in the bargain! YAY!
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January 30th, 2013
Only you can take all the blabbering I did and make me look like I was making sense. Another great video, love your editing skills. <3
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January 31st, 2013
Hey Jeff, this is such an amazing work! Loved the write up, loved the video, loved the editing, loved the way it was shot. A very impactful vid which will definitely reach and touch many souls.
And by the way Kam, you actually made lot of sense.
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January 31st, 2013
Like the simplicity with which the video has been shot and the honesty of the message!
More power to you Jeff and keep doing what you are doing – the world needs it
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SWEET!!!!!! wow.
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Thanks for your sweet comments, everyone!
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February 1st, 2013
Amazing as always Jeff. Now if only one could be arranged for when I'm visiting in November. Nothing big — a few fireworks to complement the dancing, etc. etc.
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Hell yes, Jeff.
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The private sector federation in Giheke sector, Rusizi district has joined the rest of the nation to contribute to the Agaciro development fund, with over Rwf9.1million collected at the launch event.
The launch was held on September 25, 2012, as a sign of contribution to the national development projects, which they say are very beneficial to the community and anticipate that the funds would be vital in propelling the initiative.
The Agaciro development fund was launched in August 2012, by President Paul Kagame. The fund is intended to respond to crucial national development projects and also reduce donor dependence. The fund has so far hit above a Rwf17billions in a range of only two months.
The event attracted a big number of business men and women, who stated that they feel obliged to join the national initiative as a way of restoring national pride and also play a significant role in the community development.
Giheke sector leader, Jean Marie Leonard Murenzi said that the participation of the community was overwhelming and the funds would be significant to the country's development prospects including their community.
Murenzi encouraged local leaders and residents to continue sending in their contributions and encourage others to join their footsteps in building their own country.
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Conflict of interest is conflict of interest. If a minister has dubious behaviour in parliament, they should go, regardless of how small they are, or whether that is going to make Liberal or Labor popular or not.
Judith, thanks again for making a whole day of politics so enjoyable to read about.
So many great lines...but "coinkidink"...lol
What a great success Clive Palmer is proving to be. How embarrassment! I hope the silly folk in this electorate who voted for him realise how silly they were,. He is certainly focused on their interests and has managed to achieve absolutely nothing apart from running a great resort in Coolum into the ground. The other local candidates were not that crash hot but they were head, shoulders and stomach over Clive.
The Nash affair is totally wrong. She must go or be sacked. The people have spoken.
Gillard brought in a Carbon tax with a minority government. Abbott can't get rid of the carbon tax with a majority government. The bloke is totally useless. Maybe as bad as Gillard maybe worse.
If only Nash was accused of committing an actual crime like..say..stealing union funds, then the ALP would elect to take the high moral ground of just avoiding the issue until she had her day in court.
Wong certainly pursued Nash with a passion rarely seen outside two females at logger heads. Perhaps Fiona rejected dear Ms Wong's thoughts or suggestions in regard to a personal matter and this is payback?
This is exciting.
thankyou Amy for outing this mob.
Conroy issue vs Nash issue. Compare and contrast.
Conroy was rude to a general seconded to a civilian operation, when asking questions about that civilian operation. Whether he was accusing the general himself of instigating the political cover-up or whether he was asking if he was implicated in a political cover-up is unclear. Conroy's tone may have been aggressive, but the question he was asking was legitimate, and in any case a big tough general should be able to stand a bit of aggression- if not we're in bigger trouble than we thought. Conroy withdrew the remark, but didn't apologise. Conroy didn't cover himself with glory but his main crime remains the blue jumper.
Nash on the other hand has been less than forthcoming. She employs a person with existing links with a company (a directorship, no less) which can directly benefit from decisions made by the minister, and the person employed takes down a website that disadvantages the company's clients. Nash at times admits knowing about the links, at other times denies. The person employed resigns, but claims to have done nothing wrong. (So why resign?) The minister claims to have documentation stating how the conflict of interest will be handled, but refuses to disclose it. (Does it exist?)
Conclusion- Nash might be a nicer person (I'll accept the views of others on this) but she appears to have misled the Senate and appears to have not properly managed a clear conflict of interest in her office.
Penny, Penny, Penny you are just a giant hypocrite clearly with amnesia. Maybe you should go through the media clippings of the past 6 years of your tenure.
So Nash wasn't even able to rise to her own defense? Thats... embarrassing.
By the by, while I'm as much not a Conroy fan as anybody, the Coalition get is getting into desperation territory if they can only invoke his name as some terror.
Penny Wong droning on about the truth when she stood next to Swan promising surplus after surplus knowing they were signing off the importation of $billions of overseas capital loans for failed, ineffective ALP thought bubble program's.
No conflict of interest though. Enough spin is more than enough. Childish.
Perhaps you prefer the Brandis version over at the Oz, droning on about smear campaigns and dishonesty!!!! pfffffffftttt.
Thank you. Finally, someone has noticed that it's not the last 5 months that have caused all our problems: it was the last SEVEN YEARS.
Albrechtsen calls Wong the $106 billion woman, for how wrong her and Swan got the budget versus reality over five years.
This opposition aren't coping at all well with, well opposition.
Yeah EIE - I love the idea that you think your party can indulge in any lie, any dishonesty, any departure from the vague vicinity of integrity by pointing to some supposed sin of the former government (often compounding a lie previously told by the Liberals).
The essence of Liberal principles in government is that it is okay to steal a million bucks because the other guy stole two million bucks. Love it.
Yeah - because thats really what happened - or not - but lets just run with the dumb version!
Labor in bed with the Greens might suit their agenda but is just failing to look at the long term electoral consequences for Labor which wants to be as right wing as the coalition yet in bed with the Greens. Just political prostitutes.
The Truth,
They have all donned the frilly undies or the tight gigolo suits at one time or another to have their point of view enacted.
Why I recall just the other day the LNP deal with the Greens to raise the debt ceiling. That was a hot bed of political expediency from the side that doesn't so do deals with minors. I wonder what was promised to the Greens in return as there is no free love in politics?
I fail to understand how you think the ALP secretly wish to be as right-wing as the Libs when the ALP are clear proponents of climate change action and marriage equality.
Fifield (4.35pm) (LNP Senator during the Nash censure motion) says ""Those opposite do need to pause … before they make charges,"
Saying "they are as bad" isnt a defence but it is a deflection and an implicit admission that Nash is as bad as he says Conroy is who he says should resign therefore confirming Nash also needs to go.
P.S. Must be pretty desperate if you have to start answering your own posts, huh "H"?
Hahaha, that is so right. The only question is just how many personas he has. I guess only the moderator will ever know.
4:06 & that's how the Senate should operate a house of review to hold the Government accountable for their actions.
What a ridiculous waste of an afternoon in the Senate.
The Western Australians will be paying attention, and making their judgement on April 5. Bye Scott, welcome Linda.
Hahaha. Good joke Hacka. What would you know about WA - all the way from Canberra?
Speaking to people on a regular basis from WA - I hear it differently.
Quite the opposite hack, least the Senate is doing something the house is a sick joke.
BTW loved the speech made by Scott spot on and weirdly read it on the Mercury when looking how the election was coming along
Hacka Might have wasted your afternoon but it shows what the Senate was established to do. Hold the government accountable for it's actions. But from your posts you see things from one side only.
Yes, by LNP.
Whats really really Scary is the ALP's senator Stephen Conroy, Why on earth would you put in an ex Unionist and Local Councilor to run as Minister of Communications in the last Government and now opposition spokesperson for Army bashing. Fiona Nash makes one mistake yet Conroy is a train smash
Tabitha (Hacka) - you're "rabbiting on" about nothing again.
The real train smash is what Turnbull did to the NBN. He's blowing $30 billion dollars more than Labor and on a complete rubbish NBN. I judge people by their actions and what they do, not by words alone.
Not a supporter of Conroy but what's the problem with him being an ex-unionist and local councillor - better if he was a corporate lawyer eh? And give us a break on the army bashing nonsense. No defence force is above criticism. Silence about a man being murdered in our care, or the cruel and punitive punishment of fellow human beings seeking asylum, but trampling on the sensibilities of a general and we're all so offended.
So Tim Smith who just rolled Mary Wooldridge ex Turnbull staffer/adviser and councillor (mayor) parachuted by the far right, but I guess that's OK if you're born to rule.
What a crashing bore this is. Talk about a Nanny State. A storm in a tea cup me thinks.
Yes Larry but it's the principles of a true democracy that are being trashed here. So it is a very important storm.
so larry it is of no consequence the lies, and the corrupt practices, the bringing of a State/Commonwealth health initiative (while bleating on about obesity etc) by vested interests and their paid for lackeys?
there has never been blatantly unprincipled and corrupt Govt in the history of the Commonwealth. but that's ok, hey?
Can any of The Greens posting here let me know which is more dangerous for my health, as the website appears to be down: quinoa or lentils?
stay clear of Conroy's they can be a bit unsettling
The question should be which is healthier.
And the questioned can't be answered in such a simplistic manner aka their original form. How you cook either, preparation and what you are mixing it with (recipe), makes all the difference and defines the correct answer.
Disclaimer- Green voter and retired chef.
I did note sarcasm and also the deflection.
Hacka - your attachment to Bewithched shows your age and gender.
Yet again the LNP waste time and money - Turnbull and his humour. Your staffers would sever the taxpayer better by actually doing some fine tuning to the distater of a NBN
Did Nash lie? Oh dear, what a terrible catastrophe: a politician of oligarchs lying. We really must put to stop to such goings on, it could indeed set a precedent for further bouts of mendaciousness, dishonesty and present politicians as two-faced. The electorate will not know who to vote for?
Well Pen - they sure know who NOT to vote for - the bunch of so called Adults.
No ! The children overboard guy was voted in.
Senator Abetz: "Devoid of policies, devoid of direction …. The ALP have embarked on the tired old transparent tactic of trying to unite the troops by attacking someone on the other side"
That's a bit rich coming from a member of the party that spent the entirety of its time in Opposition doing exactly that.
Hypocrisy, thy name in LNP.
Do Labor and the Grens seriously think tha the Nash Affair will make them more popular with the electorate. This is such a small fry issue involving a smal fry minister. Let's move on there is nothing to see here.
Translated to mean: "Let's continue to stick our collective heads in the sand."
Sure - you can do that if you wish. It doesn't mean we have to follow you.
Conflict of interest is conflict of interest. If a minister has dubious behaviour in parliament, they should go, regardless of how small they are, or whether that is going to make Liberal or Labor popular or not.
Unlike high school, it's not always about being 'popular'.
This is about ministerial integrity
This is not a popularity contest, this is an ethical and moral issue.
Being a minister is the highest position of trust. This is a blatant conflict of interest, do we have to spell it out.
Junk food Industry VS Healthy food and people.
You think this is OK? No it's not.
I recall a Minister getting the sack over a teddy bear, this is bigger than that incident.
I think it's important that people know that the web site in question told us that philly cream cheese was healthier than an apple. What a waste of money. Nash did the right thing. The web site was garbage and no more money should have been wasted on it.
For those whose necks are getting sore from falling for the pretty constant refrain of LNP supporters on this website and LNP MPs, in and outside parliament, to ........ look over there......,
I suggest Naprosyn ( or anti-inflammatory of choice) with food.
Privacy grounds don't apply in the Senate when dealing with a senior public service appointment & conflict of interest. Just ask Credlin. Ops may be this one was over ridden by TA and slipped through .
So is the issue Labor has with Nash that she apparently gave false evidence to parliament ?
If so, Shorten by his own admission did exactly that last week in defending Conroy.
And, Abbott continues to lie to Parliament ad nauseum. Your point is, Hacka?
Do i really have to explain Jump ?
If Labor want Nash censured for telling porkies, then surely they're admitting that the Pieman should also be censured.
And, do YOU really NOT understand Hacka? Abbott has been telling the biggest of porkies. You know the old saying about casting the first stone? Don't attack others when you have sinned yourself!
What's Abbott got to do with it ? Two Wongs don't make a right.
How is Shorten's self-admitted false statement any different from what Nash is accused of ?
Hacka, how can you expect all other Members for the LNP not to lie when your beloved PM, Tony Abbott does it all of the time? If you want to focus solely on lying to the Parliament - have you forgotten Morrison? Hockey? Bishop? Pyne, Pyne and Pyne?
Get your blinkers off Hacka.
Hacka the issue is the cover up. It proves the LNP still have a long way to go to get their house in order.
What about Chris Pyne's false statements about Education funding ?
correct Hacka, Shortens made it an art form
So Jump - i'll take your inability to address the Shorten issue as confirmation that there's no difference between his actions and Nash's. As for Abbott - name a lie.
Wise One - what cover up ? when Nash found out shed made a false statement, she went straight to the Senate.
This whole issue is a beat up, and isn't going to get Nash's scalp. Probably trying to divert from the serious leadership problems Labor are having.
Hacka - I don't have an "inability" to address "the" issue (as YOU call it).
I have a disinterest in answering your deflections (Shorten).
I have a disinterest in watching you and the other rusted on LNP flunkies blindly follow your daily scripts..
An Abbott lie, you ask? How about we start from the very beginning? That he would spend his first week - if elected - in NT.
Abbott weasel-worded that bare-faced lie in Parliament.
My, you have a short memory.
So we sucked you in Hacker. Nash has proved you wrong. All she has to do is table the letter and it will make Labor look like fools. Unfortunately the letter does not exist so now it's a cover up. You know the backside covering cover up.
So Jump - if you think the same behaviour from opposing sides should be treated differently, could i suggest your moral compass needs rebalancing ?
Senator Abetz. I think calling Fiona Nash "Senator for Snack Foods" is fully acceptable when your own party in the House of Reps, Malcolm Turnbull is insulting an ALP member: "One of the symptoms of Conrovianism is.."
Turnbull is a disgrace.
Abetz is a disgrace.
Fiona Nash must be sacked.
Your faux outrage is insulting. I found both remarks amusing!
I think a coup de tat would be in order. A storming of the house on the hill.
Anarchy in the streets and marches in March.
Under this absurd and costly rating scheme cream cheese was more healthy than an apple. We don't need government types telling us what we should and shouldn't eat. Just leave us alone!
That is not the problem. The problem is that Nash patently broke her own government rules about disclosure, and the Libs are protecting her. For all Howard's faults at least he fired the first three ministers to break his code of conduct (he ignored it after that), but Abbott is defending a clear breach first up. Very very poor form.
They're not stopping you from eating whatever you like brian. They are just warning you about the dangers.
Just like cigarettes. They're not stopping you smoking if that's what you really want to do. They're just warning you that you're likely to suffer a excruciatingly painful death if you do.
... and I'm not a Liberal staffer. No, really.
Tone, I'm perfectly capable of deducing an apple is healthier than cream cheese or that potato chips are probably worse for my waistline than a few carrot sticks. Why should my taxes fund a $200 million scheme to warn me of the dangers of chips? Boo!
It wouldn't have been an issue if the food industry wasn't making it so difficult to work out whether food was any good via the nutritional value box on their products.
And where did you get the $200 million dollar figure from. $2 million sounds about right, not $200 million. $200 million is what the junk food industry believes it will lose if the web site is put up.
If the cost is such an issue to you, perhaps you should suggest to Scott Morrison that he doesn't need 66 spin doctors to tell us nothing at all about Asylum Seekers. That will save almost $7 million. Far more than the cost of the web site, and the web site produces something of value.
You're quite right about the $200 million Tone although even more concerning than the $2 milllion website is how the labelling costs will get passed on to consumers.
The issue isn't the difference between a packet of chips and a few carrot sticks.
As you well know, the issue is that there is a huge difference between one brand of peanut butter and another and the manufacturer of the unhealthy one wants to hide the fact.
The difference between Vegemite and the other alternatives is enormous, but unless you are a nutritionist, you would be hard pressed to work it out from the information on the label.
Making trite little comparisons is stupid and unhelpful. Like most of the LNP hacks.
You clearly had a great deal of opportunity to examine it in the 8 hours it was up over a month ago.
Or you aren't an independant commentator. *yawn*
Impressed to see Turnbull getting a giggle on the broadband.
It's a shame that nobody in real world is laughing at the prospect of broadband under the Abbott/Turnbull/Murduck model.
The nerve of the guy. It's such a blatant waste of money on a second rate communications network. They are spending $30 billion dollars more than Labor on their NBN and they aren't even promising 25Mbps anymore. That's right, they've lied again.
Well Eric Abetz, that's the pot calling the kettle black. This government: Devoid of policies, devoid of direction.
Not to mention that he pointed out one broken promise when the Liberals have broken at least 25.
Eric's just upset because the ALP are not giving the LNP any policy ideas to steal this time around. Unlike what is happening in Victoria.
guilty, guilty- he's meant to be concentrating on Nashgate but can't help himself with opposition deflective mode over the price on Carbon. Fail.
Indeed the calls for Shorten to be more forthcoming are wrong, and the assumption by Waterford in his article today that the ALP are not revising policy because they arent' saying anything is just that - an assumption.
Labor is doing a 'Tony' on Tony and being a small target so that all of this governments' lies, backflips and incompetence is front and centre - let the people see that the emperor and his minions indeed have no clothes
Nash is a minister of integrity and capacity
well where is the letter or did Eric file it for you Ms Nash
Integrity and capacity, or more like
Gritty incapacity?
So a censure motion in the senate has no real consequences. I fail to see any serious poltical consequences either as most voters don't even focus unless it's 4 days out from an election. The only traction here is with the press who need to feed the voracious 24/7 news cycle. Nash isn't taking notes. She's doing the daily crossword.
If Abbott does nothing and allows Nash to remain - it will be to his immediate downfall.
The public know who Nash is, and if the PM gets another flunky through the gate (of LNP lies and rorts), the public will not tolerate it.
The real issue is that if Nash goes, how many other members of Liberal government are also in the same boat? In the Liberal Party there is probably conflict of interest all over the place. They might lose half their parliamentarians if you push the conflict of interest line.
Jump, I would love to believe that ministers really pay for their sins but I think you're dreamin. The man on the street would say "Furnival who??!?" No one will remember in another fortnight.
It's a pity Labor didn't take the high ground when Craig Thomson was around....Gillard and Labor supported him right to the end.
What a bunch of world class hypocrites!!!
Ah, so Fiona Nash is still not handing over the letter claiming that Furnival had declared his conflict of interest. Probably because it doesn't exist.
In the original Cadbury picture, where they got millions handed to them from the government, Furnival was stated as being an economist representing Cadbury. How could this be? Did he walk straight into his plum job with Nash after this?
In the original article, there was also no reference to the grant being made for tourism. In fact, Cadbury said that it is was undergoing in its factory upgrade to produce more chocolate. It was only Tony Abbott that made that claim, no one else.
@Tone. True. The newspaper articles have been clear on this right from the start.
It's just that the Abbott government and Nash haven't been.
The Cadbury millions was for the purchase of
Easter eggs for LNP parliamentarians and branch members.
Abbott is clearly rattled by the Nash affair.
And so he should be.
Someone should dig more.
Totally agree oh Wise One.
He comes across as very defensive, very keen to get the Opposition to move on.
Maybe a chocolate tour would help TA relax...
Psydo, maybe not, last one we saw Furnival seated almost next to him. HE may not want to be reminded of his cosy friendship with Mr Furnival just ATM
What planet do you dwell on??
Cause it sure ain't Earth.
'Nash affair"??
What did the Labor party do during the "Craig Thompson affair"??
Total hypocrites are Labor
Forget Question Time. How about Answer Time!
Who are the four people who sit behind the LNP frontbench (one male and three females - always sitting there - never getting up to speak for their electorate)?
Pure window dressing.
So it's not just me that's thought that.
Must've had the camera angles taken into consideration when organising the seating. Gives the impression the Govt is over represented with youngish females.
When conversely the opposite is true, being older balding men.
As I said, a country girl -
The deception is so obvious that it needs to be "outed" for what it is.
Smoke and mirrors.
- by the Abbott government (as per usual).
Isnt this the norm?
In QT questions have to be addressed to a particular person and that person or their delegate answers and nearly all questions are addressed to Ministers. Backbenchers can ask questions (by arrangement with the whip/their party) but otherwise they dont get much of a look in.
Labor did the same thing. Put the most photogenic MPs in background view of the camera trained on the person speaking.
Do the techies that control the microphones control the camera angles, madam speaker ?
Speaker Bishop allows the rubbish from Turnbull?
ALP MUST show there is no confidence in this Speaker.
They've tried a few times but don't have the numbers to have any no confidence motion passed.
I think the QT bias of The Bishop has reached the point of Labor being justified in staging a mass walk out.
after compiling a dossier on glaring instances of The Bishop's biased rulings hand it over at a press conference held to announce if it continues they will walk out because it is bringing down the tone and respect for the parliament and office of speaker and it is corrupting the process. Staying there only condones it.
When the next outrageous ruling occurs post press conference, walk out and not return until QT is over. If independents and Palmer do likewise that would add weight (no pun intended Clive).
That will shine a great big spotlight so beloved of the LNP on The Bishop.
Whether her shameproofing makeup will melt away under the hot light is anyone's guess.
Does the National's support for foreign ownership of Qantas extend to foreign ownership of farming land? Wouldn't that then create a level playing field for Australian farmers?
Somehow, I think we know the answer.
Wish someone would ask it.
And how about foreign (Chinese) ownership of Australia's houses? If it came to the crunch and China was 'the baddies' who knows what might happen.
For years I've wondered what collective noun could possible be ued for 'mediocrity'. Now Christopher, with his superior private school education, has supplied the answer. It's an 'ooze'.
It appears that the entire parliament is oozing at the moment. What a sorry state our parliament is in.
After yesterday's mockery of a Question Time, I swore to myself that I wouldn't waste my valuable time with watching these clowns again. Mea Culpa. The Abbott government is FAR WORSE today than they were yesterday. And not surprisingly, there are no clear, honest,or relevant answers to ANY questions to being put to them. Australian Parliament under this government is a joke.
Clearly you haven't watched enough Question Time over the years. Or you have selective memory.
Not a thing wrong with my memory.
I have also been reading Hansard as a follow up. Go have a look and compare yourself. The LNP in Opposition and in government are a total joke. Hansard PROVES IT.
Where on earth do you work to have the time to keep up with the blog on smh AND trawl Hansard? Are you a union official? Clearly you have not kept up with previous Parliaments on Question TIme because this is pretty much par for the course... I just had a look back at former-Prime Minister Gillard's answer to a question on carbon tax and it was, frankly, ridiculous. No better nor worse than the current Prime Minister's answers on QANTAS.
We need an independent speaker, What's the point in having one if he or she allows open slather from his or her own side while regularly kicking out members of the other.
Let's get Slipper back; he did a fairly good job even if he was prone to greed on pollie perks.
@Suspended. Unlike some, I do not sit online and blatantly waste my employer's time whilst at work. Even though you are NOT entitled to personal information, I am currently recuperating. I am not a union official, and certainly NOT an ALP or LNP or Greens voter. The joke is on you.
Jump - For your own health, I strongly urge you to stop watching Question Time, then!
@jump just ignore suspended he/she comes on this forum to intimate anyone who doesn't agree with his team.
Amro - Lol, champ. What team? Have you bothered reading my posts properly?
Clive has got it right, the LNP still acting in opposition mode. Labor in opposition plus a totally bias speaker = a totally dysfunctional parliament. What a total waste of ever-ones time & effort. We're paying for this in more ways than one.
Yeah, I'm sure the guys controlling the microphone are doing their job properly. Why I imagine madam speaker has personally informed them of how to do their job....properly, and the consequences of not doing it....properly.
The speaker has to go she is treating Tony Burke like a school kid her bias is deplorable.
@2:42pm "The wall of noise that is coming from my left will not be tolerated."
Did the Speaker read TA's thoughts?
No she has Peta on her right giving instructions, occasionally the camera guy gives us a peep of her.
BS is on a hatrick of losing QT's. This is the third QT in a row where his questions are more like government Dixers. His desperation to get a news worthy grab is too obvious, and he is not scoring against T.botts.
I really can't understand BS's tactics in QT. After being swatted effortlessly aside after an ineffectual question he then asks the same question again just phrased slightly differently.
So TA and JH, what is the reason that Qantas is failing? An 'uneven playing field" or the carbon price? The unions or the workers?
Couldn't just be bad management could it?
Could be. Is it really their job to bail them out?
Bishop the younger is looking as if the job of foreign minister is too much for her perhaps she didn't get there on merit after all
That seems a ridiculous, unnecessary and unhelpful assertion.
I do like her jacket though, huge improvement on some of her other tissue choices. But orange doesn't suit her complexion.
Besides she's busy with Brandis/Downer, Indonesia and anyone else she's offended.
Someone needs to tell Joe Hockey that Qantas was privatised in 1995, not 1992.
If John Hewson had won the unloseable 1993 election, it would have been on his 'to do' list.
Being 3 years out is a bit scary for a treasurer.
Tony Abbot. "Clean the wax out of your ears"
The carbon tax has NOT been as damaging for Australia as has been the Abbott government (for the last 6 months). Time we find a way to throw you out with a vote of no confidence. And, throw out your ridiculously biased Speaker too.
Good luck with that...
Jump, You don't know much do you?
From what I can see, the Labor party are totally out of control and have no respect for anyone.
I can clearly remember Gillard never properly answering a question...
Yawn - Pyne's speaking.
In summary: "You're a public school and don't teach my right-wing views? Then no cash for you. Next!"
So Pyne's up that means deflection! just so happens SA has an election and all he's going on about is Jay.
Hello, they really think we're dumb.
Pyne is an amateur compared to Clive Palmer. Now that's how you spruke an election during QT!
Yesterday it was about Tasmania (and its election) in answering the dixer about education and what the Govt is doing for it in Tas. Blueberries were relevant to that apparently.
No chance should be missed to electioneer.
(Both sides guilty of that when in Govt and answering questions).
Yes, agreed but only read it. didn't hear him in full flight.
for the sake of the remaining credibility of the australian parliament can we please highlight the clear bias of the speaker.
Move a motion of no confidence as soon as possible to at least bring the spotlight on it.
And, as I saw yesterday, Bronwyn Bishop is making a total joke of the position of Speaker.
Why is her face not red and burning with shame?
Power is very unbecoming to her d her position. Get rid of her!
The Palmer jellyfish is both transparent and opaque at the same time.
The Puls @ 2:09pm. Now why the heck would BS highlight the fact that Qantas has changed their tune regarding the Carbon Tax??!?
he is raising it because qantas know the liberals wont help them if they say the carbon tax had no impact which was their original position 2 days prior.
Er because its the truth, is relevant and rebuts and continues the challenge to the Govt's position that cherry picks the facts to assert that Q's woes are (mostly) down to the CT. Its called politics and all sides do this sort of thing.
In the meantime the PM is wiping the floor with BS. His questions are weak & poor strategy.
All you carbon tax numpties are missing one key point, QANTAS as did most business' passed the CT on to the customer, who were in turn compensated by the Govt for these increases, you are all just totally brainwashed by one term Tones 3 word slogans
They know. They are just trying to convince the ignorant bogans in Western Sydney that it's the case.
Abbott and Hockey. Stop the lies and spin
The Carbon Tax has not caused all of the turmoil that you have claimed.
o as Tony Abbott just advised: Take the wax out of your ears !
Tell me about this government compensation for higher airfares.
Where do I sign?
Look, it might just be me, but there seems to be a lot of unreasonable trashing of the government going on in this forum, just as was the case during the previous government. Is this just a case of sour grapes because Tony Abbott won government and Labor supporters are feeling bitter and angry about it all? Is it a tit-for-tat now because Tony Abbott was so effective in trashing the government as Opposition Leader?
No, it's all to do with their broken promises and the 113 issues that Sally McManus has been tracking on her blog.
The article showing the Liberals flip-flops, deceptive and dishonest behaviour and outright dodginess is here:
No. Its because they a poor government.
Tone, tone, tone - BORING !!!!
The difference was that conservatives commented on specific policy like the carbon tax, the mining tax etc.
Nobody hates like labor and it's supporters. The unreasonable, baseless venom that they spit everyday shows that they are all about side. They swing in the wind on issues like asylum seekers, corporate welfare, repealing the carbon tax, choosing to argue based on side rather than issue.
Tone - I had a good look through that website. There's a lot of conjecture and spurious 'facts' being listed there. How deeply have you looked into each of those issues (i.e. going beyond single-source reporting/analysis). Do you believe every single thing you read? The fact that Sally McManus has been a union official for over 20 years and is vehemently opposed to a Royal Commission into union corruption tells me everything I need to know: she is horribly biased and has an agenda. That's not to say she's wrong on many issues, but means I will read what she's got to say with a degree of caution.
Andie says "Tone, tone, tone - BORING"
If you dont like what Tone writes because you find it boring then do yourself a favour and dont read his posts rather than telling us about your state of excitement or not, which on its own is not on topic or relevant nor does it advance the debate or discussion.
Do you have a cogent argument to rebut the substance of what Tone says? Interested in that. Andie you usually make good points
Puzzling why the moderator passed such an inane and irrelevant comment.
SMH guidelines request "Please help us to create an enlightened and intelligent discussion."
Saying something is boring meets that how?
Further "Comments that stray too far off topic, are largely repetitive or do not add anything to the debate will not be posted." Saying its boring adds to the debate?
"The general rule here is that comments should play the ball, not the man i.e. not attack someone personally but be about the issue at hand."
And saying a comment is boring does seem to not be about the issue at hand but about the commenter's state of being.
True Suspended, except that most people remember many of the broken promises in that list. The statements are still valid and she's doing a good job of tracking the issues.
For example, there was the unity ticket the Liberals promised on Education and Health. Of course, the first thing they did was try to cancel that. Who can forget the continual attack on Education funding, and the attack on Medicare?
Then there's Bolt is getting what he wants - a repeal of part 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act.
Then Christopher Pyne introduced part of the WorkChoices legislation last week. In that, there's a push to remove penalty rates and they've also set up their Green Army to receive half the minimum wage with no work rights.
There's the inconsistency regarding which companies get a bailout and which ones don't. Apparently if you've got an election, you're pro-Liberal or you make unsubstantiated claims about the carbon tax you get funding. And if it still looks dubious, you can make up stories about the effect the funding will have on tourism or blame it on the workers.
And they've completely wrecked the NBN.
Not a great record so far, and it's only 6 months in.
"Trash" is the correct term to describe what TA did in Parliament when in oppositio. Not once did he make any sense as he uses dumbed down speech and 3 or 4 word slogans. No substance just trashy slogans. parliament has gone further down the plughole since the Coalition took office. When will they answer a question without a bullying, blatant skewing of facts?
Sarah Hanson-Young questioning Alan Joyce in a senate inquiry will be gold....
"Mr Joyce, I saw Flying High so I know what goes on with airlines...."
Surely you can't be serious.
You're right, SHY wouldn't have seen Flying High. Maybe Air Crash Investigation?
No I look froward to Albo and the previous government ministers appearing before the inquiry to tell us all about their negotiations with QANTAS in 2009 and 2010 when they were supposedly negotiating with QANTAS to abolish the sales act.
Sounds like the clowns in the ALP, have one policy in government and then trash their own policies in opposition. Example ate bills before the Senate to implement the spending cuts the ALP took to the election but now oppose
What an unprincipled lot they are..
@The Banker. I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.
"Maybe Air Crash Investigation?"
That's more apt.
Considering that Alan Joyce has trashed Qantas' previously exemplary safety record.
And yes there have been quite a few air crash investigations since Qantas has accelerated the offshoring of maintenance work overseas.
The Libs just re-confirm their stupidity and complete lack of economic understanding every time they blame the carbon tax on something.
Hmmm, they "blame the carbon tax on something"????
Speaking of stupidity....
ij - if the Carbon Tax is so good for the economy why not tax it at $1million per tonne - our economy will thrive! We'll have new factories opening up in every state, our exports will increase, we'll all have jobs in those factories and earn an extremely high wages. Are you that deluded?
Qantas and Virgin sure sat the carbon tax is one of their problems.
Half the losses both airlines announced last week were the carbon tax.
How many Qantas jobs could be saved with $106 MIllion = Q CT
You forgot the amazing effect increasing the tax will have on the environment. Surely, the more the tax - the better the environment!
Can someone please ask Chainsaw Tony whats the point of planting all his trees for direct action, if he then wants to log heaps of them down in Tassie, and he scorns National Parks ?
Gee and here I thought the best way would be to sack Joyce and the board for ever thinking they could compete on wages in South-East Asia.If you ask me its all managements fault.
So when is Joe Hockey going to challenge TA for the leadership?
When he thinks he can win.
Why is Hockey suggesting Qantas has to try and put some common sense into Bill Shorten, the Greens and Clive Palmer?
Is he not aware that he is part of the government yet? The only ones able to make decisions?
Govern please. It has nothing to do with your opposition.
It has everything to do with the Senate! Labor and the Greens are blocking everything!
Yes, the LNP were elected to govern, but ALP/Greens alliance can't accept that.
Has just a little bit to do with the probably opposition the legislation will face in the Senate....
Because it is about legislating & not governing.
That's rubbish. They can just wait until July and push it through then.
Way to go Jennifer. You're all over it!
Because Bill Shorten has them exactly where he wants it - squealing like stuck pig
Just remember there will be six new Senators from WA to be elected yet The way this government behave thus far there is no guarantee on any thing, they may not get any of those seat - Hopefully the WA voters see through all the smoke and mirror that were put up last election - fool people no more. Bet they never though of this.
Jennifer, if PUP oppose the ammendment then it will not get through even after July. Either way it's a matter for the whole of Parliament to change legislation and not just government doing what it wants.
If that's the case Lewis, and neither this elected Senate nor the next elected Senate agree with what the Liberals are changing, then perhaps there's something wrong with what the Liberals are trying to change.
You mean the "stuff" the majority of Australians voted them in for?
"I believe in women ... but I also believe in men." And . . . . . I guess that covers all bases. That gem of wisdom is not about to set the world on fire. She needs to enrol in Peta's Public Speaking 101
For Liberals, the term 'f-bomb' has a different meaning.
For a Liberal woman it's OK to parade yourself at an event celebrating the contribution of women to broader society, but you have to make sure that you let your constituency know that deep down you understand that your place is in the home. After all, Alan Jones might think you're a fem... femin... no, I can't say it.
Perhaps this comment is a bit tardy...but that bespoke chair makes Abbott look really small. Hmm, I guess it was very well crafted after all. And he has somewhere to hide when the proverbial hits the fan.
I too thought he looked small in that chair. Perhaps they really intended to make it for Peta Credlin, the real PM.
If the Carbon tax was the issue. stop collecting it.
Or, alternatively, collect it, and use it to fund "Direct Action". That way, the polluters pay.
No point in Clive wasting his time . . . maybe once he sees some policies and substantive legistlation put up he will have something to consider. We are heading into month seven with little more than the circus that is Question Time. Another opportunity ffor the LNP Clowns to get some amusement at Taxpayer expense. Get On with It Boys.
And as long as Bronnie Bishop sits in the Speakers chair, I refuse to watch this circus anylonger. Her bias knows no bounds, is just so blatant now its beyond the pail. Question time is a farce now, a total joke and waste of time.
Piesnchess, I wouldn't agree that Bronny's bias is beyond the pail. Watching her trash every standard of Parliament (when you thought it could not get lower) makes me go directly to the pail.
Pies must miss an awful lot of 4th quarters.
Clive could come and tell us how to ruin a business in only months. His record at the Coolum resort is an example - flourishing business until Clive bought it. Now occupancy less then 10%, 80% of the staff fired and local business who relied on the tourist there are struggling.
Not only has he ruined a business he is ruing the local community.
With all his supposed billions why does he not buy QANTAS as he says he knows hot to run it?
Unfortunately if he did that would guarantee QANTSs failure in a very short time.
Why does Mr Palmer think he is 'Like a jelly fish' when in Parliament? Do the similarities to Jelly fish end when he leaves the Chamber? Is it a straight simile or is it a weird euphemism? "Please explain!"
Will Ruddy's travel plans to Russia/ Ukraine be disrupted by the Govt's travel warning for the Ukraine/Crimea, announced coincidentally just when Ruddy's travel plans to spruik his credentials for a UN job and also do a bit of world peace making on the side in that neck of the woods, are made public.
Conspiracy theorists might say those tricky Liberals will go to almost any length to wreak vengeance on Ruddy (and Labor) for uppityness in winning two terms of Govt.
Not me. Clearly just a funny coincidence.
The Liberals are never vindictive, don't you know?
By the way, you can probably see I lifted part of your message from yesterday for my first comment today. I hope you don't mind, it was for a good cause.
Tones, anything for a good cause.
The more the truth is told the better it is.
It doesnt matter who says it first.
It matters that its the truth and that it is disseminated and in particular to challenge any dissembling, obfuscation, half truths and out right falsehoods whenever encountered.
Looks like Qantas is now singing from the LNP Hymn Sheet re Carbon Tax - maybe they figure that will get the assistance that they have asked for
Yeah well John Borghetti (who works for Richard Branson, a prominent climate denier) has already signalled that it's a big big issue for him, and proof the level playing field reskewed. Lucky him.
Gee, who would have thought .... the carbon tax costs jobs.
Looks like Qantas are not only bad at business strategies but also bad at politics.
Anyone who thinks that Qantas is not passing on the cost of Carbon Tax - along with all their other expenses - to the travelling public is in la la land
If they have no problem paying an extra $106m in extra taxes they can't then argue that they need financial help. Repeal the carbon tax just for aviation and Electricity Bill can save about 1000 jobs (and the associated union fees) today - it's the quickest way Labor can save QANTAS workers. Didn't Rudd terminate the tax anyway? Two elections in a row where they lied about not having a Carbon Tax...
So Hacka - does that mean all taxes = lost jobs ? I guess the LNP cheer squad near to enrol in Fiscal Policy 101 ASAP
MST - yes they can pass it on, which then means tickets are more expensive, which means less sales which means less jobs.
A trivia question - which regular contributor posted this yesterday ?
"It is if one is fool, Hacka and does not understand Qantas in as far as they claim the carbon price is NOT AN ISSUE. Do you understand what NOT AN ISSUE MEANS, Hacka?"
The rubbish being pandered by the government about the carbon tax has nothing to do about saving QANTAS. It is all about their agenda of the last couple of years whereby they were so negative about everything that they painted themselves into a corner on most issues. The evidence suggests that the carbon tax has added about 3 or 4% to their loss. Repealing the carbon tax will make no difference. The government is using it as a smoke screen to cover their own indolence in saving Australian jobs and trying to throw the blame on the ALP. And they accuse the ABC of not being for Australia.
If all taxes hurt jobs, perhaps they should remove the GST. It is significantly bigger than the carbon tax. That massive Liberal introduced tax is 10%, not that minimal amount that Carbon Tax removes, and Carbon Tax is more productive.
Does Hockey feel optimistic about the economy? Of course not! He still has to bring down an aggressive budget and needs you to think all the doom and gloom to justify the coming attack on the middle class. The economy isn't allowed to improve until after the budget when they will get magically better, with claims that it's all because of the Liberals.
Excellent economic numbers today. Is there no end to the damage that the carbon tax wrecking ball is doing to the economy?
Gigondas - did you get a chance to see Paul Howes comments yesterday - that one of our biggest economic threats is energy prices ?
He quite rightly makes the point that we should have a competitive advantage where energy is concerned, but have thrown the advantage away with the:
* Renewable Energy Target
* Emissions reduction Target
* Carbon tax
Howes seems to be making some sense these days - suppose the ALP needs some leadership somewhere, anywhere.
No haven't seen that. It's a view, no doubt. My point wasn't necessarily about the economics but the politics- the use of obvious hyperbole like 'wrecking ball', and the simplificaion of what should be ordered and reasonable,debate into sloganeering.
And no I'm not just picking on the current lot. The other lot are just as bad. I pick on the current lot because they are, by definition, the current lot.
The Reserve Bank of Australia states, "The demand for labour has remained weak and, as a result, the rate of unemployment has continued to edge higher. Growth in wages has declined noticeably."
"Looking ahead, the Bank expects growth to remain below trend for a time yet and unemployment to rise further before it peaks."
Roy Morgan today released unemployment figures for January 2014 showing unemployment is now 11.3 per cent, the highest result since January 1995. 1.44 million Australians are now out of work and another 1.105 million are under-employed. Together, this makes up 20 per cent of the workforce.
Since departing from ABS index in 2010, there is a distinct upward trend in the Roy Morgan unemployment figures with no signs of abating."
And, "The other shock will be income growth or rather the lack thereof. Treasury's chief economist David Gruen told a conference in November last year, "Our estimates say that if we achieve productivity growth similar to its long run average, the next decade will see the slowest income growth in Australia for half a century by a lot." This comes from an expected decline in Australia's terms of trade and is consistent with views from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the Australian Productivity Commission."
How's things going in FairyLand, Hack's?
Talking the economy down are we Pen?
Ha, ha. For once Pen and Joe Hockey are reading the same lines (though for different reasons).
The question I have is where Hacka and SteveH got their briefing wrong because they hailed these results as good news, only to be told by Joe that everything is terrible because of Labor and that Joe is setting the bar so low you need an excavator to find it and that even a budget of death will produce better results than his benchmark (he's wrong by the way - his budget is going to drive Australia into a recession).
Employment & wage growth are all lagging economic indicators. Before they improve Australia first has to get GDP growth consistently above 3%. There is no question that today's news of a lift in exports, consumption & company profitability is great news. The jobs will follow later.
Pen you are such a pessimist.
There is plenty of good news have a look at the ANZ job ad survey it points to a growing economy. Have a look at the Deutsche bank forecast of job growth of 20000/month. Investment in building construction is set to boom and on top of all that we are starting to win cricket tests. The country is in much better shape than you describe. I am not asking you to assign credit to anyone for our good shape, but it would be nice if you could at least recognise how well we are travelling as a country.
A little bit of selective quoting, copying and pasting again Pen? You need to change your ways.
Whyalla seriously dude do you really believe any political party would waste its resources on the same 80 odd people who read and make the same comments here every day?
You need to get out of the house more.
Some good economic news - it's not just the growth numbers showing some promise - we've also got decent building approval and export numbers today.
Building approvals = construction jobs
Exports = mining and manufacturing (up 3.5%)
The banks are describing the results as "optimistic", and the $AUD bounced as a result of the better-than-expected growth numbers.
Perhaps Joe knows what he's doing after all, the pie is growing.
Gee Hacka, where were you when we got good numbers at any time in the six years under Labor. I suppose they don't pay to announce Labor's economic achievements but one-off figures for the Liberals - ooh, things are looking up!!
Hacka, if it's too early to sheet the blame on Joe for the bad news then it is also too early to credit him with the good news. Personally I completely reject the notion that our economic wellbeing is in any way dependent on the muppets & wood ducks that sit in Federal parliament.
I hope you're not pitching your googlies into the rough again, Hacka. Numbers go up and down. They did for Labor, they will for LNP. I suspect the fluctuations have little to do with the government at all.
Here's a test. The next time they go down will you bemoan the poor job Joe's doing? Or will there be excuses from the no excuses government?
Another round of singing from the Peta Hymn Sheet. All thanks to Joe ! Really ? The same guy who screams "Emergency" when referring to the economy.
Lewis - yes i suppose around budget time Joe and the Coalition can start taking full responsibility for the numbers, but despite a few recent failures, there's some upside.
Whyalla - the ALP left slowing growth, rising unemployment, ballooning debt and big deficits. To what good numbers do you refer ?
Gigondas - yes the numbers go up and down - hopefully those last six wickets will just go down.
When it goes paer shaped we will hear that it is all Labor's fault and that it will take several terms . . . . . . ho hum . . . more fairy tales to come.
Looking good alright. I may have to shelve my plans for a benevolent dictatorship, Tony & Joe v Julia & Wayne...methinks a knockout in round 1.
Adelaide? Who said Adelaide?
Well that is good news for the economy and lets hope the benefits flow through to the little person rather than just to the big end and out of the country (via profits taken offshore by the mostly foreign shareholders of the big miners).
Based on the evidence to date, the benefits may not flow to Australian job seekers and the 800,000 + unemployed Australians if those jobs go to the 220,000 pa guest workers that the Govt plans to continue to allow (as did Labor in the past).
It will be even harder for Australians to get those jobs with the Govt removing the local advertisement requirement.
Bob Birrell, the head of the Centre for Population and Urban Research at Monash University says""Recently arrived migrants are effectively getting all the new jobs being created and this is squeezing out residents, particularly younger people who are trying to get into entry-level jobs where competition is especially fierce from temporary visa-holders: working-holidaymakers, students, visitors and so on. I think we need to radically rethink our migration program in the context of the realities of our labour market in the post-mineral investment boom era,"
Really? Joe screamed "emergency" in reference to the budget and not the economy. There is a world of difference between a government's fiscal management and the sum total of every single economic activity in Australia. The budget is entirely in governments' control. The economy is not.
While discussing Abbottism's environmental stupidities I thought the following may be of interest.
"Files obtained under Freedom of Information laws have exposed how Reef authorities repeatedly warned government of the unnecessary and irreversible harm dredging and dumping would cause to our Great Barrier Reef World Heritage Area.
Reef authorities called the project "unacceptable". Yet instead of listening to the advice of its own experts, Hunt approved it anyway.
The Marine Park Authority's earlier advice to government, reveals:
• Dumping 3 million cubic metres of sediment would cause unnecessary and irreversible harm to areas of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park.
• Coral reefs and other marine life are already fragile from damage caused by bleaching and ocean acidification.
• Studies by coal port developers into the damage dredging would cause are deficient and unreliable.
• There are alternatives to dredging and dumping at sea, so the project as it stands should not be approved.
These facts were not released until now. So with evidence that Reef authorities advised the government to reject the dredging plan, why did they approve it?"
Perhaps we should ask Palmer and Gina?
Who are these fabled 'Reef Authorities' I think you are actually talking about environment groups like Green Peace. Could you be a little more specific about the author of the objections??
Great Barrier Reef authority argued against dredge dumping, FOI reveals, The Guardian, 3 March 2014.
Ahh now we see where your views come from - you are a Guardian reader and believer.
Judith, any chance of a photo of that "Australian made bespoke chair"?
What is a bespoke chair?
Wow!! (photo at 11:13am) It's a throne!
one that is a) obscenely expensive to make and b) tailored to specific needs.
Nothing like a reward at the end of a hard day destroying australia
the real question is whether it was made to seat peta credlin or abbott?
Its made for Tony. To match the white flag he keeps running up on saving jobs.
harry, no doubt in your world everyone sits on the same hard, bland, uncomfortable metal chairs. After queuing for the same scratchy single-ply toilet paper and day-old bread.
Harry is right! No chairs allowed. Destroying Australia should not be done sitting down although Kevin and Julia were the exceptions.
Does the end of the age of entitlement include an end to unnecessary bespoke chairs if they are much more expensive than a decent one off the rack?
Why should the pollies have the best of the best at our expense, while ordinary Australian's have to get with the austerity program, take cuts to wages and conditions and pay their own way?
I doubt any reasonable person would begrudge the pollies a comfortable decent chair to sit on or for guests and visitors to their office - its the hypocrisy and sense of entitlement that is displayed.
Sarcastic humour (though funny) doesn't deflect from the reality of calling for an end to entitlement in the populace and then doing the opposite in a multitude of small and large ways for themselves.
I understand the need to get new furniture though - the PM does not want to get former Labor leader bugs - particularly girl ones.
Re: Tony Abbott described forestry workers as "the ultimate conservationists".
"We will also support direct action to plant an additional 20 million trees in available public spaces" (Greg Hunt).
So let me get this bit lobe scrambling right, first we deforest a forest that took a hundred year to grow, by doing so we release the stored carbon in the trees. Then we plant 20 million trees and wait a hundred years for them to store carbon.
Oh well done, the Coalition stupidity brigade as really surpassed itself.
As long as you don't burn them or let them rot there's very little carbon emitted in tree felling. As for taking a hundred years for a new tree to store carbon... they do it right from the word go, although the bigger the tree....
Pen, it depends on what is done with the felled trees. If you bulid bespoked chairs with the timber, then essentially the carbon is still in storage.
Err, sawdust?
Not to mention that you are both wrong:
"The carbon cycle in a natural forest and a deforested site. The most important consequence of deforestation is a substantial decrease (well over 50%) in total organic carbon (above and below ground, living and dead) in a deforested site. This decrease has several important causes:
1.The removal (by harvest) of organic carbon for wood or paper products. Most of our knowledge about this flux is based on national statistics on the rate of carbon removal in merchantable stems, and the information appears to be relatively good in many of the developed countries (Armentano and Ralston, 1980).
Pen, are you ever wrong? Err...wait a minute...you thought you were wrong once, but....you were mistaken?
Notice I said, essentially. The majority of carbon extracted by the tree remains locked in the tree, granted sawdust. It then depends what happens to the tree. The fact is that all locked carbon IS NOT released upon felling. Cmon admit it!
No I'm right.. I said very little and that's what the sawdust is. What ever way you try and spin it the vast majority of Carbon is locked in the tree and unless you release that it stasy locked... in the tree. Boy you don't like being caught out do you
Most wood felled in Australian native forests and plantations is made into woodchips and then into paper products.
Does the making of the paper release carbon (from the pulp) into the atmosphere? Genuine query - dont have any idea of the answer to that one.
If not released then, when that paper is disposed of mostly by burning or landfill, then GHGs are released - CO2 (burning) or methane ( landfill). The life cycle of paper to the point of breakdown/burning is not long. GHGs are released relatively soon after the wood is cut down. Whether this is balanced by the rate of carbon taken up by the new plantings I dont know. Trees dont take up methane. Methane is a much more potent GHG than CO2. I think it likely there will be a net increase in GHG's in the model proposed. QED
(The above is based on my general knowledge and previous reading and so may not be 100% and so will stand corrected.)
Essentially, what you say is correct. I have no expertise in the production of paper or woodchip end products but I do know about chemistry. Pen's point was that carbon is released once the tree fell and that's what we are refuting. However, as the tree is processed, gases will be released accordingly including CH4 and CO2. The cycle is complex and attempting to balance CO2 release and uptake in nigh impossible given the uncertainty of volcanic activity etc.Suffice to say that none of our human intervention will matter once Yellowstone erupts and it is overdue!
Yes CC was aware of Yellowstone volcano but not that it was a potentially world environment destroying or mass human killing event, that you imply. And on looking into that, it seems it is not.
Unlike climate change which at the extremes of predicted range of effects will likely wreak havoc upon the habitability of this planet for humans and threaten survival in anywhere near current pop numbers.
So I do not prefer to sit by and do nothing to wait for some doom that you think is coming but that the experts say isn't.
I prefer to accept the preponderance of scientific evidence and advice and take action now to control CO2/GHG emissions to the extent we can. I do this out of a sense of responsibility to future generations and implementing some intergenerational equity. And with the rapidity with which things are changing I may be helping myself and others alive now to pay for, support and take such action ASAP.
Regardless of the issues confronting Qantas, it's pretty clear that the answers won't be found with the CEO or the current board.
Can the government get together with an institutional investor or two to at least get some fresh business acumen into the place ?
Five years and Joyce has been a disaster. A more conscientious CEO would have fallen on their sword. Clearly Joyce will need some encouragement. On that, Xenephon is quite right.
If the govt was to intervene in management, it may as well give a loan guarantee...
The chairman has declared his full support for the CEO the other day. Anytime this happens it is because the CEO is in danger of going. Moving on a non-performing CEO will naturally occur in a free market. No govt intervention is needed, and it should not be encouraged. The management of QANTAS is not a Section 51 C'wlth responsibility.
"Great speech last night. Goodness me, not even I knew that! Your maternal grandfather was a shipwright!"
If it wasn't Alan Jones, it would have been a parody of sycophancy. Bleerrk.
"Your maternal grandfather was a shipwright." Reminds of Gordon Bray's rugby union calls, something like...
Tackled by Randwick fly half John Smith, whose second cousin lives next door to a person who knew the great-grandson of the blacksmith who once shod Simson's donkey.
It's hard to eat if you can't buy food for the family. Commenter Hacka Location Canberra Date and time March 05, 2014, 10:17AM
Perhaps next time you have Tony's ear you might draw his attention to this . . . . the workers at all those PS and Private Enterprise sites who are about to loose their jobs and are looking for Govt assistance are all worried about feeding their families in the future
Obviously you spent the night traipsing through the fields of wonder glow in Fairyland Under the Moon again. The Coalition plan for lack of one is to cut Qantas loose in the vain hope that some kind hearted multinational will buy the 51% of Australian owned shares for a few billion dollars' in a company that dear old Pen would not touch with a barge pole. Thanks but Pen will stick with investing in the banks and BHP, and anyone with half a brain will do the same. Now pay attention Hacka because I will only write this once, the main problem for Qantas is getting credit hence, they need a government guarantee. So is tens of thousands of jobs worth a guarantee? How much revenue will government lose if Qantas eventually fold? On the other hand is it fair that Australians pick up the tab should Qantas fail. That is the crux of the problem and reasons why the two oligarchs have no answers - err - again.
Pen - it was only ever a plan to wedge Labor - but that's come unstuck now that the post 1 July saviour has said nyet also.
In the meantime Qantas has nearly $2Bn in cash reserves and a very valuable frequent flyer business but BS still wants to give it a handout? No thanks.
PEN the problem is not obtaining credit but the price of it because of their credit rating. A govt backed loan borrows the govt credit rating and is priced cheaper. The last debt offer for QANTAS was priced at +174bps for US and +238bps for AUD. They have no problem obtaining credit. One solution is for the GOVT to provide a discounted rate as you have suggested but that is not the only solution. One idea is this private company repair its balance sheet by cutting some fat and sacking some people, to get back to an investment grade credit rating. It is possible for QANTAS to solve its own problems without disturbing the tax payer. It could be as simple as offshoring all heavy maintenance. Maybe they just need to replace the management. Whatever the solution they come up with to their own problems is their own business. We should expect that our PM runs the country but not every business in the country.
Abbott is in Opposite Land. Everything he says is Opposite to reality. Climate change, not happening. Loggers are conservationists. Promises made before the election, no, you misunderstood, he meant the opposite of what he promised, and it's your fault for misinterpreting what he said.
Why are you unable to accept that loggers can't be conservationists? If they weren't, eventually they'd be doing themselves out of a job. Think about it.
The IPCC must be is the same room as Abbott as they have stated that we have had no warming for the last 15 years.
brian, I have no trouble at all in accepting that loggers can't be conservationists - although I suspect that is not what you meant to say. Extreme negativity must have gotten the better of you.
Prag Prince, is your understanding of climate change so poor that you think it is all based on a single measure of air temperature, which has now been scientifically explained in any case?
I thought about it Brian, and the thought I had was this. They're not conserving old growth forest, they're destroying it. Clearfelling changes the nature of the forest. yes, new timber will grow, but the land will be degraded, or it will be turned nito a plantation.
So, I think perhaps they're not conserving, they're changing the nay\ture of the forest to suit themselves.
WW: a) are you Michelle?; and b) since you seem to know what I "really meant to say", what was it? That you found negativity in my post says more about you than me. sincerely do think loggers can be conservationists.
Pragmatic prince you need to read this
Gigondas, are there anywhere in Tasmania where forestry companies could establish tree plantations? Are there any tree plantations in Tasmania? It seems to me if the land is either already employed for other use or locked up then tree plantations are an impossibility in Tasmania.
brian, while you are bandying around claims that some people are other people, can I ask, are you Hacka? It seems your writing style is the same with the same ignorant opinions. I'm a bit suspicious about Cool Comrade and Pragmatic Prince, too.
Jennifer, I never claimed WW is Michelle. I merely asked. There is a difference my dear. And since you asked, sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not Hacka.
Lewis, yes and yes.
From a 'Timber Workers for Forests' report in 2004:
Tasmania with 146,640 ha of hardwood and 76,100 ha of softwood plantation has 13% of Australia's plantations. The area of plantations represents about 14% of the total commercial forest in the State.
Tasmania's plantation estate is expanding rapidly at an average rate of 13,500 ha/year for the last 5 years, most of which is hardwood. Plantation expansion is largely occurring at the expense of native forest. Since 1999, the conversion rate of native forest to plantation has been 80% on private land and 65% on public land."
Brian, no I'm me. Also, what you said was:
"Why are you unable to accept that loggers can't be conservationists?"
Go on - read it. If you don't believe that's what you wrote then check the original - I did a cut and paste. But if you insist, then I will admit that my suspicions were wrong and that you really did disagree completely with T Abbott by indicating that loggers cannot be conservationists.
9:44: Great photo of Kevin in Crimea. Is that Mad Vlad in the background?
No, that's his twin brother, Egoistic.
The tall eucalypt forests that formed the heart of the 2012 World Heritage extension were fought over for a generation, sometimes with violence such as assaults on protesters.
This government is pro-logging, at the expense of environmental extension.
They claim that some of it has been logged already, but only tiny areas of the extension had been logged.
Other previously logged World Heritage forests, such as the California Redwoods, had also been included to keep the integrity of the wilderness, and allow restoration of degraded areas.
This appalling move by Greg Hunt will continue a well established pattern of Australia demeaning itself in a global context under the Abbott government.
So what do they use all the logged wood for?
They chip it, send it overseas and it gets turned into paper.
What a waste.
It's hard to breathe on a dead planet.
The PM said "We all know Tasmania has the lowest wages in Australia, it has the lowest GDP per head, it's got the lowest life expectancy, it's got the lowest educational retainment in the country and it's got the highest unemployment, and funnily enough for the last eight years it has had a government in large measure dominated by the Greens,"
Is this true?
Greg, it may surprise you to know that there are people all over the world who buy paper for various things like writing and drawing and painting. They are prepared to pay for it. With money. As long as it's sustainably produced, why shouldn't Australians export the raw materials necessary for others to make paper? Gosh, we might even employ people and feed a few families by doing so.
Gregory - those wood chips are also known as exports and jobs.
It's hard to eat if you can't buy food for the family.
No Lewis, the Greens aren't in power in Tasmania, Labor is.
But it's not sustainably produced, is it brian? Otherwise they would just continue to use the same forest plantations over an over. If it was sustainable, they wouldn't need to go into old growth forests and chop down all the trees. They're doing it because it's cheaper than using plantations, even though the longer term consequences are dire.
What about the rest, James? Perticularly the bit about lowest life expectancy & lowest educational retainment?
The argument 'this damage is justified because it protects jobs' seems to be selectively applied. It's trotted out here by the apologistia, but not a big consideration for manufacturing workers, airline workers or public sector workers.
The real reason isn't about jobs, it's about money. It's cheaper for logging companies- the ultimate conservationists, no less- to rip out existing forests than grow plantation timber. Let's stop pretending that this government gives a tinker's about workers (there's precious little evidence supporting that!). It's about money and political support.
Tasmania has a shocking rate of illiteracy and innumeracy.
"A report by the Australian Bureau of Statistics for 2011-2012 shows half of all Tasmanians aged 15 to 74 are functionally illiterate, and more than half are functionally innumerate—meaning they don't have the skills needed to get by in the modern world, like filling out forms, or reading the instructions on their prescription."
"Bank of America and Merrill Lynch chief economist Saul Eslake says poor educational outcomes play a major role in Tasmania's long running recession."
Ref: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/2013-09-22/4962902
So it is not the Greens who are responsible for Tasmania's woes. It is successive previous Govt's that have failed their citizens in education.
To assert that the preservation of native forests is the reason for Tasmania's poor economic performance is misleading to say the least.
I cant find the reference but I have read previously that SA's timber plantations provides over 30,000 direct jobs and has spin offs, which if I recall correctly is far more than the native timber industry in Tassie. Tasmania would have done and presumably do much better jobs wise if it grew plantations on already cleared land than logging native forests, if the SA example is indicative.
There are reports that Ukraine is close to bankruptcy. The mere whiff of Kevin Rudd in the region should well and truly get them over the line.
The LNP made great noise about Labor's broken promises in the previous government, and fair enough too. What's now obvious, and not at all surprising, is that they and their cheer squad are very reluctant to engage on the issue now that the LNP is- quite clearly- doing what every government does- breaking promises. This happens for two reasons- it's easy to say something in the hope that it will get votes when they're most needed (just before an election), and simply because circumstances change (financial crisis, minority government, drought etc)
In the first post of the day, Tone argues a good case. The response from the Hackenoughs? A complete failure to engage. If you want to actually convince others that your point of view makes sense, you need to give us a cogent argument. Simple abuse (broken record etc.) is no substitute for intelligent argument.
LNP and iintellegent anything do not go hand in hand. It is all about deflection and shining the bright torch in any direction to detract the attention of the voter. Hacka et al are in a race to post the first word every day - unfortunately of little style and of zero substance
Tone, those lib worshippers have no idea do they? Hell, they have an opinion just like you, but blatantly biased and uninformed. Not like us though eh? As soon as they were voted in we began the downhill slide. We Comrades need to stick together. Julia's lies and poor old misunderstood Kevin, have nothing on this rabble!
There's a big point that you forgot, Julia, Kevin allowed criticism, they kept the public informed as to what was happening.
Abbott and the LNP conduct a media black band under Peta Credlin's control, they limit information to stifle criticism and keep the public in the dark. LNP transparency is a joke and adds up to another broken election promise.
Dumbing down the population is an insult, it might work to keep farm animals sedate, but should not be used on people.
Sure they kept us informed. There will be a surplus, there will be a surplus. We have delivered a surplus!
Pity their information was wrong!
Qantas is becoming yet another wedge issue for Shorten.
It sounds like his position is a do nothing one, except probably a handout. He talks about jobs, but neglects that if Qantas really struggle, there's 33,000 jobs in danger, not just the 5,000 announced.
The government's plan isn't perfect, but at least it's a plan. Is there a Labor plan ?
It's a business. The investors knew the risks. They should let Qantas die if it's meant to die. As for the politics, I couldn't care less.
Ha Ha Hacka - the so-called Govt Plan doesn't have teeth. As for the Opposition - well how many "plans" did the LNP have over the 6 years ??? And policies ?? Doesn't matter what the ALP thinks the LNP will rubbish it anyway. And where is your plan ?
'but at least its a plan' - yes Hacka, it's a plan alright but not to help Qantas. The government is so wedged itself that it does what it always does when it has no idea how to govern, which is to try and set up Labor. Even Qantas says that it is no use at all at this stage.
As always with this government, they only have ideas about playing politics; they have no idea at all about how to govern.
Okay then Whyalla, what would you do to help fix Qantas ?
Why should anyone "help fix" Qantas? Why is it they they are so important, and yet other businesses that are more worthwhile are left to fail. Airlines and Automotive manufacturing are sunset industries. Let them die, and instead fund fledgling industries that have the potential, like Cochlear, to grow into billion dollar businesses off the back of research and development.
James the reason the government needs to help Qantas is twofold:
1. They own a chunk of it;
2. The Qantas Sale Act is restricting Qantas' ability to compete.
Agree with your general stance, except airlines being a sunset industry - far from it.
Hacka. I'm not sure I'd do anything. The fact is that I'm not in government getting the big bucks and fancy bespoke chairs, and what this government is doing is useless. They would be better off just saying 'no' than the pantomime blaming of Labor, the unions and the carbon price that goes on with everything.
Hacka says:
1. "Qantas is becoming yet another wedge issue for Shorten.It sounds like his position is a do nothing one, except probably a handout."
What is Hacka on about? It makes no sense that BS is doing nothing while also giving a handout.
2."He talks about jobs, but neglects that if Qantas really struggle, there's 33,000 jobs in danger, not just the 5,000 announced."
Er talking about jobs would include the 33k jobs. So how does BS neglect the 33k "in danger" by talking about jobs?
3. "The government's plan isn't perfect, but at least it's a plan. Is there a Labor plan ?"
Well I suppose near enough or not all is good enough for some Lib supporters re the Govt's "at least" plan.
Why does Labor need a plan - they aren't the Govt? I thought the Opposition's job is to oppose - according to your dear leader. Seeing as Hacka always follows the party line, in your zeal to denigrate Labor and deflect from the Govt, you seem to have overlooked that one from the Libs' golden rule book. Hacka needs to smarten up. The tin hat is a bit skewiff today.
The plan should be to reimburse QANTAS the exact amount that they have paid (directly and indirectly) as a result of the carbon tax. We are assured by QANTAS, Tony, and Joe that that is the cause of the trouble
The government's so called plan may as we'll consist of threatening to have Joe Hockey sit on anyone who disagrees with them. As to the position of the Senate as a house of review, let it do it's job as that is it's elected purpose. If the government can't deal with that, they may as well go back into opposition and let the real adults rule, as opposed to the pretend adults who have shown themselves to be loud mouth pimply teenagers.
So the whole aim of the government is to wedge Shorten. Great government eh? Laughed the other night when Truss referred to the ALP as the government. Apparently it is taking time for the LNP to wake up.
Huh? just calling it a plan does not make it one. Tony Abbott cares nothing for workers, that much he has proven conclusively since becoming PM.
@Hacka - the governments approach is purely political as they have made the wedge knowing full well that they can't get it through. It is a real pity that Abbott always goes for the cheap political stunts rather than actually doing anything positive like have policies. This government just doesn't get it. It is no longer in election mode and needs to put up some real solutions to the growing employment problems it seems to be creating. In terms of solution to the Qantas problem - get rid of the unsustainable domestic share target of 65% in a period of excess demand as that is just reducing revenue while increasing costs (if they reduce the target by just 5% they will start making a profit again). Even Abbott alluded to this when he said yesterday that it is the management of the airline that needs to be addressed. Everyone in the aviation industry knows it isn't the Qantas Sale act that is causing the problem, it the management and they should be sacked. So for once stop the mindless head office mantra and look at the issue from more than just a simplistic political point scoring exercise.
Some people here have a bit of a problem in understanding when a promise is broken.
A promise is broken the moment the person (or party) who makes a promise expressly says or indicates by conduct or other words that they are not keeping it.
It is shameless obfuscation and excuse making to say no promise is broken until the Government implements the measure that is the substance of the broken promise.
This government has broken promises, and they've broken lots of them. In fact, based on Sally McManus's blog, they have either broken or been dishonest or dodgy 113 times since coming to power.
This must be some sort of world record.
Take a look at the issues yourself at
It is outrageous how many backflips, turn arounds, reversals, and just plain dodgy implementation of anti-social measures that this government has done since rising to power.
The Liberal worshippers deny evidence that is common knowledge. What does that say about those people?
Tone - the only thing broken is the broken record you keep playing. Keep digging.
What "people here" are you talking about, Tone? You seem to be the first one here.
As I have been stating in my writes for years: one cannot be surprised at political oligarchs breaking promises when their only recourse to being elected to power is by telling lies.
Basically it is quite simple: when one votes for oligarchs that lie one gets a lying oligarch. The main problem is the electorate keep voting for one or the other lying oligarch hoping that oligarchs unlike leopards change their spots – surprise – they keep voting for the same thing.
I agree, Pen. I too refuse to participate in a process that always delivers cynical narcissists who are always beholden to vested interests as supposed "leaders" of our country. In a country with an excellent public service, judiciary & statutory commissions & authorities with high levels of integrity & competence, we actualy do not need the politicians who have none.
I think you still think the ALP are in government as your tirade sums up the last 6 years of the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd ineptocracies perfectly.
The difference is that Labor copped it for breaking a single promise. The Liberal count is over 25 broken promises so far. It's probably actually higher, and it's only early days. Take a look at the article. It's quite clear and has references to all the statements made.
Hacka-Your response is just the LNP groupie non argument. Obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate. Just because what Tone has said has been said before does not make it wrong.
How many hail Marys would he get for confession of a broken promise? Doubtless he's never confessed to on.
Michaelp I think wearing a cilice may be more his style.
Tone you a spot on. Wacka hacka could learn alot from you.


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