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Rosie O'Donnell Compares Honey Boo Boo To Shirley Temple
October 08, 2012 09:00 AM by Lisa Princ
Honey Boo Boo and her family sure have their fair share of haters, as well as fans. Among those fans of the hit series, Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, is comedian, Rosie O'Donnell. Rosie loves the family so much, that she even compared Honey Boo Boo To Shirley Temple, and dished that she would love to buy the family a home. Say what?
Who would have thought that comedian Rosie O'Donnell would be a fan of Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, but she sure is! In a recent interview with People Magazine, O'Donnell revealed: "I love Mama June. I love Sugar Bear. I love Chubbs. I love them all."
And her praise did not stop there. Gushing about the family and doing her best impressions of them, Rosie O'Donnell then went on to compare Honey Boo Boo to Shirley Temple, explaining: "She has a presence and an intellect that goes way beyond her years."
The 50-year-old comedian, who suffered a heart attack in August of this year, also dished that she is more than just a regular ole fan. How so? She explained: "I'd love to meet them…and buy them a house."
Take that, Kris Jenner! It appears that for every hater Honey Boo Boo and her family has, there are twice as many fans, are you one of them?
What do you think of Honey Boo Boo and her family? Are you a fan of Here Comes Honey Boo Boo? Or do you agree with Kris Jenner that the family is nothing more than trash? We know you have an opinion, and we want to hear it! Comment below to share your thoughts with us.
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20 Responses to "Rosie O'Donnell Compares Honey Boo Boo To Shirley Temple"
Jen Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Rosie, you've got a few screws loose… Shirley Temple was a role model for kids; Innocent, pure; Raised properly.. HOney Boo Boo is proof that some people do NOT need to be raising kids.. Her mother is nucking futs…Only ruining this child for her love of money..l Sad
betty Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 9:37 am
pagents moms spend lots of money to get the crown for there kids this honey boo boo kid is just simple and honest as a child can be hope she well never change she is beautiful in side and that what makes her and she is cute as a button hope she has a great life she is off to a good start even if she never win a grand supreme pagent she has won the harts of millions of people and reality she is all ready a grand suprime and it's from the hart
kim Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Believe me Rosie I haven't liked since her first talk show and movies, but I also really like this family especially June. Like Nancy Grace she kicks @ss!
sweet pea Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Talk about the kettle calling the pot black! Kris Jenner and her family are nothing but trash also. They are just thinner and have sex more often than Honey Boo Hoos family, but trash is trash!
Rachel Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 10:10 am
for Kris Jenner to call Honey Boo Boo trash is a case of pot calling kettle…
Melody Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 10:23 am
LOVE Honey Boo Boo and the whole family! I really think June is the glue that keeps this family together and happy! June is always kind to her family and positive too! I love that she doesn't care what anyone thinks about her or the family. Oh, but they really should rethink having the new babies third thumb cut off…just sayin…
RUTHIE Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 10:29 am
I love the whole Honey Boo Boo clan. They are not doing anything wrong. Kris Jenner should be ashamed of herself the way she parades her daughters around. At least June is a real part of her community, and it isn't about money all the time. It's nice to watch a real family who are not fake. They look like they are having so much fun. I particularly liked the episode when the family cut trash bags and put soap and water on it, and used it as a slip and slide. Pretty creative if you ask me. And it looked like it worked much better than the old slip and slides I used to have growing up. Rosie you are such a generous person to ffer Honey Boo Boo's family a home. If they accept your offer, please make sure they reside in the community they love. God Bless to all of you!!!
zeke Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Rosie compared Honey Boo to Shirley Temple…really…Rosie your a first class ASS!!!!
Longsack the Clown Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 10:58 am
I agree with Jenner, nothing but trash!
Debbie Weimerskirch Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 11:04 am
I love Honey Boo Boo and her whole family. Mama June is the best. She is there for her family and you can see how important they are to her. Sugar Bear is a honest, hard-working man who provides for his family. When Mama June goes shopping with her coupons you can see how smart she is and she is passing it on to her children.
Jennifer Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Wow, Chris Jenner…people in glass houses…the pot calling the kettle black…your daughters famous for a sex tape.
Angelia Romero Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Kris Jenner needs to step back and look at her tasteless, uncooth, trashy family. I cannot imagine why Bruce stays. What a mess.
As for Honey Boo Boo, I am torn in the direction my feelings go. I believe that June is a very intelligent woman, and I feel that her youngest daughter received her genes. Any mother that can feed their family on coupons, and therefore cut costs anywhere to be able to afford the ridiculous bills of today, have their child in pageants (which she wins sometimes, by the way) is pretty smart. Are they tactless and crude? Can anyone really point that out?? Honestly?
Rosie called it right, they are really good people. They are centered around family. Perhaps that is why Kris Jenner is so threatened. No wait! Maybe it's because the Kardashian show is a total waste of time and brain matter, and she knows that a REAL family outweighs a FAKE family.
Patrick Carter Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 11:12 am
What???? Kris Jenner has a lot of nerve calling anyone TRASH…Kris check your house first please.
june Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 11:15 am
really rosie ?? a house??? why not take that money and find about 100 ,000 poor families buy them groceries for a year? money better spent , honey boo boo is nothing like shirley temple she had class.
Lisa Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Not a fan at all with the Jenner/Kardashian clan, but must agree that Honey Boo Boo and family are nothing but trash. They live in a town about 15 minutes from mine and I must say I am embarrassed to say I live in Georgia after seeing a glimpse of the reality show and the way that these people act. Please do not get an opinion that people in Georgia act like this. They are a disgrace to society and the network should not be encouraging this type of behavior. And to think that they are getting paid to have the cameras follow them around, advertising its ok to act like this, its ok that my children are having children out of wedlock, its ok that all my children have different fathers. We all need to pray for our country and for the Honey Boo Boo family that thinks it is ok to act the way they do. My parents would never have allowed me to act the way they do. This show is a disgrace to the United States of America!
Claudine Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
This "Family" is certainly a NOT role model for the American Family. All that's said and done is in poor taste. No manners and lack of intelligent behavior is depicted. This show needs to GO!
jaz Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
if you want down home real happiness then go to honey boo boo family. i;ll take a million thompson famililies compared to the stuck up over real kardashians. give it up and live the real life, american life instead of flaunting your family and what money it can bring you. how many americans can live like a kardashian. god knows !!
Liz Hansen Says:
October 8th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I think Honey Boo Boo is being raised by ignoramouses (sp). Their hygene may be ok, but their speech pronounciation, diction, & syntax are poor. Their senses of humor are juvenile, and the 15 year old daughter being pregnant is an immoral example for her siblings. They took absolutely no lessons from the ediquette teacher who visited them, making a mockery of her sincere efforts to aid the family in basic social graces. While making alot of money from doing "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo", the family is allowing itself and people like them to be made fun of. I totally disagree with Rosie O'Donnel. There is only ONE Shirley Temple, and Honey Boo Boo is no Shirley Temple. Boo Boo is totally untrained in dancing, singing, poise, and speaking. Ms. O'Donnell would be wise to set up an education fund for the children rather than buying them a house. One merit for the mother, June. She is excellent at couponing and saving the family money, and she does seem to love her children.
Cyndi Says:
October 12th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Kudos to Rosie for wanting to buy them a home it is very generous. I think that Kris K should stop trashing them as her family is about as messed up and trashy as you can get right now. Money doesn't make you happy or give you class that is earned with hard work. I have never heard Mamma June say a bad word about anyone and it's obvious she loves her family more than life itself. The family may have some eccentricities but at least they are not hipppocrits and using money to cover up they mistakes. Having one child get pregnant in their teens is not great but everyone is entitled to a few mistakes when they are growing up. How many of us are perfect? I know no one in my family that is…how about you Kris K? Anyway good luck with your show Thompson family and Congrats on having such a close and loving and god fearing family.
Alicia T. Says:
October 21st, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Rosie should go back to feuding with Donald Trump. Her newest obession with Honey Boo Boo is bonderline creepy. I have to laugh at "Kudos for O'Donnell being so nice to Honey Boo. " TLC probably paid that family $60,000 per episode. A new house could have gone to some deserving family suffering under this depression. It's more like that O'Donnell is a shameless media whore who is using a 7 year old girl to jumpstart her career.


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One of the secrets to delicious cooking is very easy, cook with fresh herbs. Buying herbs in season is always the tastiest, but you will always find an ample supply of packaged fresh herbs in the produce section of Vince's Market.
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Fish with Homemade Pesto Sauce
2 lbs or 4 fillets of fresh whitefish (snapper, halibut or haddock)
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1/2 cup pine nuts
1/4 cup olive oil
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- In a food processor, combine all pesto sauce ingredients and pulse until a smooth consistency is achieved.
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Some leftist bloggers are attempting to label combatants in Iraq as "insurgents" instead of "terrorists" as long as they target soldiers. Jeff Jarvis (buzzmachine.com) respectfully disagrees: "People imported from another country to wage battle and raise mayhem for the sake of trying to disrupt the civil order and population in the supposed aim of a sick cause are terrorists. Fits in my dictionary. But by your definition, boys, just because the September 11th murderers killed some soldiers at the Pentagon, they're not terrorists but 'insurgents'?"
Andrew Sullivan (andrewsullivan.com) pointed out that Somalia, not Vietnam, is the proper comparison to the present Iraqi conflict: "Saddam always relied on the Somalia strategy. He believed-and probably still does-that the U.S. does not have the guts to stick this out and wear down the Sunni dead-enders now combined with Islamist terrorists. He planned on this kind of war of attrition from the minute he knew he was militarily finished.... The slow collapse of American credibility in the 1990s will take time to reverse.... Saddam and what he still represents must fail in full view of the world. And we have an irreplaceable opportunity to see it happen."
Teaching methods
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Oceanside beach at the Point to reopen for Labor Day weekendEight piping plover chicks fledged this season at Cape Henlopen, beachnesting bird monitors report
With beachnesting bird season winding down and migratory shorebirds passing through, beachnesting bird monitors reported that six pairs of piping plovers fledged eight chicks this season, four on the Point and four at Gordons Pond at Cape Henlopen State Park in Lewes.
Two of this season's nesting plovers might stand as evidence supporting long-held speculation among biologists that plovers that nest in Delaware will return to breed here again in the future. In the last few years, several banding studies conducted in Atlantic Coast states used colored plastic leg bands in unique combinations on the plovers that allow observers to identify individual birds without having to recapture them.
"This season we had two piping plovers nesting in Delaware that had been banded in New Jersey, one in 2012 and one in 2013," said wildlife biologist Matthew Bailey of the Delaware Division of Fish and Wildlife. "Next year, we'll be watching to see if our two banded plovers return to Delaware to nest."
Meanwhile, seabeach amaranth, a rare plant, is having a good season in the beach parks, with about 75 plants found between Tower Road and Faithful Steward Crossing in Delaware Seashore State Park, and about 10 plants scattered throughout the Point and Gordons Pond at Cape Henlopen State Park. This species, like the piping plover, is listed as threatened under the federal Endangered Species Act. Seabeach amaranth grows in the same kinds of habitat where piping plovers nest and usually begins sprouting in July in Delaware.
The dunes and interdunal areas at Gordons Pond and the Point remain closed to the public year-round to protect seabeach amaranth plants and numerous other rare species and plant communities that exist in these areas.
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Seahawks released RB Shaun Alexander after he passed a physical Tuesday.
Like the end of his Seattle reign, Alexander's release was painfully slow. Alexander has been one the fantasy football titans of the decade, but he doesn't have much left in the tank. He could be given a shot for a backup-needy team like the Colts, Ravens, or Chargers. His best-case scenario would be in Detroit.
I wonder if he will be able to make an impact anywhere else - would you want him on your favorite team?
That's a long way to fall in only a few years....MVP and TD record-holder to being cut. Sounds like he kind of became a cancer on the team.
No. I think he's soft, he already has had injury problems, and he's at that age where running backs begin their decline. His decline has already begun.
This story reminds me of eddie George
Pretty bad when you are replaced by Duckett the Snowplow. Maybe the Chiefs can pick him up.
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Right now he is just an older version of Cedric Benson. If he could somehow regain some youth I would love him on the Bears.
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Right now he is just an older version of Cedric Benson. If he could somehow regain some youth I would love him on the Bears.
Better bring Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson with him because he's nothing without them.
First Cedric the Entertainer, then Cedric the Bust. Shawn could look good in a Bears uniform.
I'd prolly give him a small, 1 year deal. He's only 30 so in theory he "should" have something left in the tank. He was miserable last year, though. :(
If he was somewhere with a solid line, he could be productive. I still don't think I'd have him in more than a backup role. He still has a year or two left in him.
I believed in Gene Chizik and all I got was this lousy limited-edition commemorative coin.
I agree that he runs very soft right now. It's really kinda painful to watch him.
Even without Hutch and Jones he seemed to quit trying after he signed his big contract. He has always rubbed me the wrong way with his comments and attitude. As a Vikings fan I would not care if he ended up in Detrioit, he would continue the legacy of lazy overpaid talent in Detroit. (Charles Rogers, Mike Wiliams, Shaun Rogers,...) You could almost see this coming when Seattle signed both Julius Jones and Duckett.
This could be a pure coincidence but after he signed his big deal after his record breaking seasons, he went into the crapper.
With the Colts... I would much rather have Kenton Keith backing up Addai than Alexander. I understand last season Alexander was limited by injury but I would not spend $ on him.
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Let's face it, Jason Statham's catalog isn't exactly a deep well of varied, nuanced performances in films of varied subtext and substance. As he says quite candidly to This Is Lancashire, "I make a lot of films that don't have much depth to them - they're more like popcorn movies." Very true. But last week Statham showed a bit more actorly muscle in "Redemption" (our review), playing a ex-military solider, and emotionally damaged homeless man, and he's been greeted with good reviews for his work which required less punching than usual (though there still is punching). Could he be setting his sights higher for future gigs? Seems so.
"There's a ton of people I want to work with. [Martin] Scorsese, Chris Nolan, all these people who make good movies would fit the list. But things like that don't come my way," Statham said. Hardly a surprise, but should a name director take a shot on Statham for something other than this formidable action skills?
It certainly wouldn't be the first time an actor has been taken out of their pigeonhole or reintroduced to audiences, as Adam Sandler ("Punch Drunk Love"), Mickey Rourke ("The Wrestler") and Jean Claude Van Damme ("JCVD") have in recent years. And hell, all the way back in 1997, James Mangold found new notes hiding within Sylvester Stallone in "Cop Land." And let's not forget, it was David Fincher himself who recommended Statham for "Redemption" in the first place.
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hi guys,
does anyone know much about rolling resistance. If so what do you know about the effects of different tyres, tyre pressures and bearings on this area. Also, does anyone know of any accurate research that has been conducted.
hi guys,
does anyone know much about rolling resistance. If so what do you know about the effects of different tyres, tyre pressures and bearings on this area. Also, does anyone know of any accurate research that has been conducted.
It's minimal, the majority of the drag is from wind-resistance. Just lowering your head by 2" makes a bigger difference than any variation in tyre types & pressures. Here's some info:
Jobst Brandt - Tire Rolling Resitance
Analytic Cycling - Tire Rolling Resistance
Journal Applied Physiology - Hour Record Case Study.pdf
Jim Martin - Aerodynamics of Cycling
Bret L. Breslin, Ph.D - The Cycling Thesis
Higher tire pressures doesn't mean less rolling resistance and neither do smaller tires.
What's basically happening is the energy is expended deforming the tire, and it's lost in the form of heat and noise (mostly heat). A wider tire generally deforms a greater mass of tire and higher pressure resists the deformation, so those two factors do influence your rolling resistance. While I haven't ever quantified it, I would swear that I feel far more effect from having my tires at the proper pressure than I do from lowering my head. The second link that Danno posted has a nice graph showing tires under different conditions experiencing significantly less rolling resistance as pressure increases.
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Back in the 70's, when Schwinn was actually an American bicycle maker, and not a sticker on a Chino-crap bike, they did some interesting tire research. Around 1970, the sort of cyclist who would buy a top level bike used sew-up tires, rather than clinchers. Schwinn research was directed at designing clinchers that could compete in weight and rolling resistance with sew-up tires.
And, the result of their research was evidence that modifying the rubber that was in contact with the road could reduce rolling resistance by 50%. By 1980, Specialized was working with its Asian suppliers (with National's Panaracer likely be a major player) to design clinchers that had even lower rolling resistance.
If you look through back issues of "Bicycling" from the mid-80's, you see advertisements for tires where the tire featured in the ad would be compared with Brands "A", "B" and "X". Often, there were dramatic differences in rolling resistance between tires of identical size, but of differing designs.
In the past year or two, I don't recall seeing any tire ads that discuss rolling resistance. I suspect that tire companies have figured out that their customers have only two real "obsessions": the race crowd, with their obsession with light weight. The commuting/touring/recreational crowd with their obsession with avoiding flat tires.
In 2005, it doesn't seem as though anyone is out buying tires based upon manufacturer's claims about rolling resistance. Out on the road, any difference between brands RR performance is not obvious enough to merit consideration..
I think that you have to be careful with that type of data. I don't doubt they are factual, I just question the relevence. I don't know what the measurement of rolling resistance is, I assume it's grams or something like that. Suppose tire A has 10 grams of rolling resistance and tire B has only 5 grams. You could factually say that tire B has half the rolling resistance of tire A and yet the 5 grams of difference is so tiny that it's irrelevant.Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
If you want to go faster, work on your position on the bike. Compared to the energy required to push your torso through the air everything else is small potatoes.
I'd be more specific. Varying tires on a road bike (like going from a 700x23 to a 700x25) won't make a huge difference, so, yes, lowering your head will have a larger effect. But go from a road bike to a mountainbike with 2.3" knobbies, and I'll guarantee you can tuck all you want and won't match the speed of a road bike.Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
Yes, there is a difference, I'm not denying that. I'm talking about quantitative numbers. I was talking more about variation in tyres on the same bike. If we want to compare knobbies with road-bikes on the big extreme, then we need to compare extremes in positioning as well. The results of a coasting test down a hill may end up looking something like this:
700x23c: 35mph
2.3" knobbies: 31mph
700x23c: 45mph
2.3" knobbies: 42mph
The faster you go, the less and less rolling-resistance makes a difference. It goes up linearly with speed, so if you go twice as fast, you may end up with twice the rolling-resistance. However, wind-resistance and drag goes up to the square (^2) function of speed, so wind-resistance is 4x as great when you go twice as fast.
So at lower-speeds, rolling-resistance makes the biggest difference. Such as pushing a baby-stroller and seeing how long it'll coast before coming to a stop. Tyres would make a great difference at these 2-3mph speeds. However, as you pick up more and more speed, the less and less rolling-resistance makes a difference as wind-drag increases so much more.
I'm very surprised. I've often told people not to worry so much about rolling resistance and to work onltheir position on the bike, but even I would have expected the difference in coasting speeds between 700 X 23c road tires and 2.3" knobbies to be greater than that.Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
The differences are actually greater than that on the slight downhills and rollers of between 20-30mph where most people spend their times. I'm just trying to equalize as many outside variables as possible to focus on just rolling-resistance of the tyres. I presented some extreme examples of very steep hills with perfect side-by-side starts and coasting only.
In actual use, you usually see greater differences because you typically start downhills faster on road-bikes than MTB/beach-cruisers, so you end up with even faster top-speeds. And road-bikes have taller gearing so the roadie can have more human-power added to his downhill speed than the MTB/beach-cruiser which mainly relies on gravity. Then there's the aerodynamics of the bikes themselves. Would be best to have a cross/touring bike that can take both 700c and 26" wheels to make the controls easier to manage.
There are just so many variables, and most of them are more significant than rolling-resistance, that's all I'm trying to point out.
Interesting parallel between Brandt's comparison of tyre construction that roughly follows the evolution of auto-tyres from bias-ply to radial construction. The benefits in reduction in total carcass-flex, heat-buildup and rolling-resistance have been documented for decades and radial tyres are the norm in cars and more recently motorcycles. His comparison of same-model tyres in different widths seems to born this out as well with the Avocet 20/30 tyres having less rolling-resistance in the wider 28c size than the narower 25c version. All four of which outperformed the narrowest tyre, the Michelin Hilite Comp in 20c width.
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Don't be surprised. That wasn't actual data, just speculation:Originally Posted by Retro GrouchThough in his defense, he did call that "quantitative."Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
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In general, that's incorrect.Originally Posted by operator
Without going into the physics of it, it's instructive to consider that tires running at lower pressures run hotter due to the friction generated by the deformation of the rubber. Heat is energy, energy which is essentially being generated by your legs and isn't helping you go any faster.
Take a guy who's running at 70psi and have him go to 120, and he's not going to slow down, unless it's a ride quality issue, or some other outside factor.
I have 2.3's and 1.95's I switch back and forth on my MTB for
different situations and there is absolutely no doubt the narrower
tires roll better and are easier to pedal.
Also, tucking down will get you 2 or so mph.
Probably there is not a significant difference between brands anymore. It's possible there was no difference to begin with, but more likely, other companies recognized that less rolling resistance was a selling point and developed their own improvements in tire compounds and designs to match, and no one's improved on it significantly since then.Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
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Originally Posted by operatorIf you look at the test data, it pretty much shows on a single tyre-model, higher-pressure always results in lower rolling-resistance. However, the difference between 100-150psi is quite minimal. I think what Operator was getting at is that it's not a hard and fast rule. For example, some tyres at 90psi have less rolling resistance than others at 120psi. So you can't make the "higher-pressure = less rolling-resistance" assumption across different tyre-models. Then throw in the width where wider tyres have less rolling-resistance, but higher wind-drag and it muddies the water even more.Originally Posted by Layton
Thanks for restating what I said.Originally Posted by DannoXYZ"...higher-pressure always results in lower rolling-resistance." Sounds hard and fast.Originally Posted by DannoXYZI never made that assumption, as is obvious from my post. You quoted my post - but did you even read it? And if that's what Operator was getting at, then he should have actually done so.Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
I'm almost positive wider tires generally have slightly higher rolling resistance than narrower...all other factors being controlled, of course. The same load would cause more deflection over the wider span, so there should be more energy loss, so you've got both deformation and drag working against you with fat tires.Originally Posted by DannoXYZ
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Since no one is looking at the test-data, I'll post it here:
First, note that for ALL tyres of any construction and model, the higher the pressure, the lower the rolling-resistance, for that tyre only. So yes, you can say that running at 120psi on a VittoriaCX will have less rolling-resistance than 90psi. Same thing with 120psi on a Michelin HiLite vs. the same tire at 90psi. However, trying to compare between different tyres is difficult, because an Avocet30 @ 70psi has the same rolling resistance as the Specialized Touring at 130psi.
Then we can narrow down the variables by looking at a single tyre-model only. The Avocet20 in 25mm width is the exact same construction as the 28mm version. Same thing with the Avocet30 in 25 and 28mm widths. Comparing the Avocet20 in 25mm width vs. the 28mm width shows the wider 28mm one has lower rolling-resistance at the same pressure. Same thing with the Avocet30 where the wider 28mm has lower rolling-resistance than the 25mm one at the same pressure. Why?
The reason has to do with the shape of the contact patch. The contact-patch surface-area at the same pressure will be the same for both 25mm and 28mm tyres. This surface area is dictated by the equation:
ContactPatch = Load / PSI
So both narrow and wide tyres have the same contact-patch surface-area with the same load and same tyre-pressure. Let's take the case of a 150lb rider running 100psi tyres. We can compute the contact-patch as:
ContactPatch = 150 lbs / 100 lbs/sq.in. = 1.50 SqIn contact area
However the shape of that contact patch will look different between a wide vs. narrow tyre:
The wider tyre will have a wider shorter contact path while the narrower one will have a narrow, longer contact path. Note that the surface-area of both contact-patches is the same square-inches because we're holding load and pressure constant.
The main difference is in the longitudinal deformation of the casing. The wider short contact patch of the wide-tyre deforms a smaller amount of the circumference of the casing than the longer/narrow contact-patch of the narrow tyre. The greater deformation generates for more carcass-flexing and more heat generated.
This is exactly the same phenomenon with car tyres. Wider tyres can carry more load because at teh same pressure, it takes more load to deform the same amount of circumference. For the same load, the lower deformation gives better grip because the contact patch squirms less. Wider tyres also last longer due to the lower heat-buildup. But... they do weigh more and have more aerodynamic drag. So bodywork is crucial to make a car aerodynamic around the tyres.
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Carrie Christie
Rep. Ron Paul:
I hope you run in 2012…you're the only representative who represents the working U.S. citizens…not lobbyist, not big business, and not entitlement lifers. If you cannot get the exposure running as a Libertarian, please run as a Republican. I will vote for you either way. You are the one voice of the people, but must be heard by the people for them to realize that.
Thank you.
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So, I am watching news on Sunday…abc and nbc…and they make it seem like trump and palin are the frontrunners…some reports included santorum and pawlenty…with Romney mentioned as an afterthought….they showed these two giving speeches at the tea party rallies…..
certainly, there must be someone on this website or on his staff, that can find a way to get him some fair exposure?
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John Phillips
You have my vote either way. Have you read the "Abuse of power" book yet? Let me know what you think.
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Scott Brown
Dear Dr. Paul and my fellow Libertarians,
I say Libertarians because we are not Republicans. We believe in less government. But lately I have been having my doubts about how small a government can be yet still be effective.
As I see it, a government, in the least obtrusive way, protect and serve the people of their society. And as a Libertarian, I believe that should be done in such a way that the people are the ultimate authority, not the government. There's one problem with that and I want to know how other Libertarians feel.
My question is this. Wasn't Allan Greenspan a Libertarian? Didn't he believe that the markets will correct themselves and that government oversight would hurt the economy, not safeguard it? He was in fact, a fan of Ms. Rand's was he not?
Didn't he have to testify after the OTC derivatives market tanked that he was wrong in his Libertarian world view? Let's put aside the fact that he is indeed the chairman of the Federal Reserve at the time he erred to the time he was brought back to testify after his term. Let's focus on the fact that this Fed chairman was ONE OF US. A LIBERTARIAN. And his philosophy was wrong. What the hell do we do now? Deny it? Ignore it. Hope no one notices?
I propose we face it and fix it. And that will set the precedent of a political group actually evolving their ideology. I think we need to rethink free markets as a whole sale, 100% good thing. Here's why.
Free markets would work if all the good people played by the rules. I don't think people do that. I think people are stupid. That's really why I'm a Libertarian. Governments are made up of the people, and most of the people are idiots. Don't believe me? Look no further than your car.
They get drunk and drive, they text while tailgating at 70 miles an hour, they cut you off then give you the finger. So, in general, I'm not thrilled by the thought that any one of these people has power over my liberty by way of government jobs. But in a free market, we're asking those same people to be smart enough to not lie their way into a mortgage they can't afford. We're asking middle to lower level white collar workers in the financial industry to shovel fraud on to the public disguised as the golden goose, aren't we? I don't have that kind of faith in people.
Look at the way China screws with their money. We have free trade, but they don't. Their government punishes their people and the effect is most of the jobs in my industry are now done in China for half the price. These are countries that are not free. So suddenly I'm competing with damn near slave labor. When I'm a citizen of the United States, the largest consumer in the world, and I give away the leverage that comes with being the consumer because of one aspect of my ideology that says government should not meddle, I say we may have a problem with our ideology.
I don't think we need government to hand us anything, but they should cover our backs. I'm sorry, I believe in everyman for himself, that's the world. But, there are large parts of the world that hate our guts for reasons we all agree with, so like it or not we need each other. Libertarians want a country. Just one free from tyranny. But I want to be free from the tyranny of other governments, not just my own.
When China manipulates with currency, totalitarianism and inhuman work conditions, I don't want that to affect my wages. Sure I care that they're evil, but in terms of the Libertarian view of an absolutely free market, I don't know if it works. Wall Street failed to regulate itself and the people of China are not going to suddenly demand US wages when doing so will get them imprisoned or executed. So what is our recourse, as a country? I hear a lot about my rights as an individual, but who's going to protect our rights as a country.
Until we can answer this Dr. Paul, how we stand together against foreign competitor in a rigged game, our principals will get us killed, because it seems as though it may already done just that by way of Presidents Clinton & Bush, and Mr. Greenspan.
The same morons are in charge now (Summers and Geitner, both cohorts of Greenspan's) and I'm afraid that although they are democrats and republicans, the philosophy of total deregulation is Libertarian. And they have another bite at the apple with Obama.
Please let me have it. These are just questions and I could be fundamentally flawed. I just want to know what you think. If I'm an idiot and you hate my guts, then please, after the insults to my mother etc., include why. So that way I can hear the points of view that I have yet to consider.
Because we better have open ears and working minds if we ever hope to matter in the history of our country.
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Wayne Young
I think it would be smart to run for the Republican presidential nomination, because if do get the Republican nomination then the press won't be able to ignore you anymore!
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David Altuna
Ron Paul,
Yes run on the Republican ticket. What else are you going to do? Run as a Nader? No, your best bet is Republican even if you are a true defender of our liberties which clearly the Republican party is not. Plus I have my grandparents love you. Thanks for listening, and ron paul twenty twelve!!!!
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Atlas Shrugged tonight at a theater near you…one lesson from the book is that at some point, one needs to accept reality and not fight it.
This is never more apparent than the latest budget vote. Most Republicans are not conservative enough to vote on principle. Thus the deficit will grow and inflation and unemployment will continue to exceed 10 percent. It will exceed this if a libertarian is not elected in 2012. Romney, Trump, Pawlenty, and so many other R's will only grow the deficit…you know it and I know it.
So sit back and enjoy it people…what will be will be…tj
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Steve – The beauty of being Libertarian is that you can have any type of belief system as long as your belief system does not directly affect another citizen. So if you want to be gay or be against homosexuality, you are free to do so. It's the role of the government to protect individual liberty. That's what makes a republic different from a democracy.
Paul – Keep up the good fight. If we had more people like you in government, we would be a better country as our founders wanted for us. Too many politicians being corrupted by multi-national corporations, unions and insurance companies. You're the only one that makes sense! I'm also glad that you changed your views on illegal immigration from the 80's. The path to legal immigration needs to be more efficient, but no one should be here illegally, especially if legal citizens need to pay taxes to support the illegal aliens.
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Rep. Paul,
Thanks for your steady and principled stands throughout the years. Full disclosure: though I do hold what are probably views considered libertarian, I do tend to be liberal on many issues. There is, I think, a lot of overlap between left-libertarians and 'real conservatives' , which is what people know libertarianism to be in America. …I just wanted to say that I hope some of your supporters read this comment from a self-avowed liberal as myself, and realize that we are not that different from what real conservatism embodies: freedom.
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well Steve, as someone who has voted libertarian for 30 years, we welcome you…if you believe the only function of government is to protect life, liberty, and property…not redistribute wealth, provide education, health care, housing, food, retirement, and so much more….that is a liberal
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Matthew J. Neilson
Serious question from a long time supporter. Even in my military days. Have you considered a run in 2012 with Michele Bachmann ? Shockingly she is voting in a manner which I agree with, as are you. I truly believe that if we do not get a limited government white house with Austrian economics and a non-interventionist foreign policy the future of this country will be 3rd world. I cannot think of a single note you have spoken on that I have not picked apart for accuracy. I agree with them all. Your path for this county, with the grace of god, can at least begin to restore what I believed in. If I can provide any service whatsoever to your campaign in 2012, let me know.
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Police arrested two suspects in a Vancouver armed robbery Thursday night in Salem, Ore.
Salem police spotted a car that was suspected to be the getaway vehicle just before 10 a.m. near the intersection of Northeast Center and Northeast 24th streets, a Salem Police Department release said.
Officers attempted a traffic stop and the driver tried to elude them. Eventually three people ran from the vehicle, police said.
After searching the area with three K9 teams, police took suspect Martin A. Gonzalez into custody. Officers soon found and arrested a second suspect, Alan Armenta of Salem.
Both were booked into the Marion County Jail. Gonzales was booked on suspicion of unauthorized use of a motor vehicle, attempt to elude and a robbery warrant from Vancouver.
Armenta was booked on suspicion of unauthorized use of a motor vehicle.
The third suspect was not found, police said.
Police responded to a reported armed robbery earlier Thursday at the Taqueria Market in the Orchards Marketplace shopping center near state Highway 500 and Fourth Plain Boulevard.
Police were told that two Hispanic men and one white man entered the store. One of the Hispanic men displayed a handgun, said Kim Kapp, Vancouver police spokeswoman.
No one was reported injured. The suspects left with an undisclosed amount of cash.
Detectives in Vancouver's Major Crimes Unit will continue the robbery investigation.


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03/12/2008, Sopers Hole, Tortola
The passage to Charlotte Amalie, the main town on St. Thomas was just as we had come to expect; 25kts of wind and seas 6ft+ both right on the nose. However, we motor-sailed well and by 11.45am had covered the 32 miles to St, Thomas and were safely at anchor in the harbour. Someday Came again made the passage with us, but headed for one of the local marinas as they had some repairs that they wanted to sort out.
The St. Thomas Harbor anchorage is a large, well protected area with good holding. There is the occasional roll, but we ended up spending a comfortable five nights there. Charlotte Amalie is a major cruise ship destination, and the anchorage here snuggles up to the cruise ship dock. We decided to anchor away from the cruise ships and dropped the hook just across from the Yacht Haven Grande, a relatively new marina catering mainly to the many mega-yachts cruising the area. And a very impressive marina it is too with a variety of shops, restaurants and bars along with the usual marine facilities. We would sometimes venture here to indulge in an early morning coffee and internet access, but tended to stay out of Louis Vuitton, Diamonds International, Salvatore Ferragamo, and Bulgari which were a little out of our usual price range! Always, as we dinghied up to the dock, we would be greeted by 2 or 3 brown pelicans whose job, it appeared, was to hang around the marina entrance looking disapprovingly at anyone foolish enough to want to walk on their pontoon or approach the rocky area surrounding it. Occasionally they would reluctantly raise enough energy to dive into the shallows if some unsuspecting fish proved to be too much of a temptation. Other than that they would pick out the sunniest spot and simply watch the world go by.
As we mentioned earlier, Charlotte Amalie caters to many cruise liners and while we were there we saw anything up to 6 ships in the port at one time. The cruise ship dock, it seems, even runs out of space occasionally and we returned to Magic one day to find a liner nonchalantly at anchor amongst the cruising boats! We were quite glad that we had picked a spot at the other side of the anchorage.
After 5 nights in Charlotte Amalie the weather finally settled down enough for us to move on again. We decided to top up on fuel at Crown Bay and were thrilled to find the Queen Mary 2 moored just across the dock as we approached. Amazingly, later in the day we were anchored close to 'Blue Guitar', Eric Clapton's motor yacht although sadly he did not appear to be on board. The Queen Mary 2 however sailed right past our anchorage on her way out of port and we were able to capture her and Blue Guitar together 'on film' as Mary made her way to sea.
Our next stop was Christmas Cove on Great St. James Island which, although pretty was also very crowded and for a few reasons was not one of our favourite spots. However, from there we moved on to St. John and we loved it here. Much of St. John is a national park and we had been told that the snorkelling here was terrific. In addition, divers were allowed to take certain amounts of lobster and conch (if you could find them!). Dave was in his element and couldn't wait to get into the water. We picked up a mooring in Francis Bay where, we had heard, there was good snorkelling and although it was not a spot to hunt in, Dave donned his wetsuit and off we went. We had a very nice snorkel, but Dave had his eye on Johnson reef where, he was sure, there would be lobster. The reef however was exposed and the sea was still not calm enough to go there. Reluctantly we moved on to the next bay, Waterlemon, as our time was running short. We needed to be in the BVI;s within a day or so to meet Amy, Lorna, Scott and Daniel who were arriving for a two week vacation with us.
But what a treat we had in Waterlemon Cay. The bay was beautiful and the snorkelling off the cay was the most spectacular we had experienced yet. We saw turtles cruising within feet of Magic and one evening a Spotted Eagle Ray cruised majestically under the boat. We wanted to stay for more, but now we really had to move on, so on March 12th we dropped our mooring in Watermelon Cay and prepared for our long passage, all 2 miles of it, to the British Virgin Islands!
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03/06/2008, St. Thomas, USVI's
The Spanish Virgin Islands lie to the east of Puerto Rico. They are the least well known and as a result the least often visited of the Virgins. As a result, we had heard, they have beautiful clear water, many empty, sandy beaches, good fishing and excellent snorkelling. We were eager to see for ourselves.
The US Navy has played an important role in the history of the Spanish Virgins since authority over the islands was transferred to the US in 1898. Both the main islands, Vieques and Culebra have been used for naval artillery practice but it is Vieques that has 'suffered' greater hardship as a result. Since 1911 2,800 acres of the 7,000 making up Culebra and her surrounding islets have been designated as a part of the US National Refuge System and the land and surrounding waters are a sanctuary for indigenous plants and animals. Up until recent years, however, 2/3 of Vieques was still used by the Navy for aerial and naval bombardment and clean-up of live ammunition in the waters surrounding the island continues today. As a result, a few of Vieques' easternmost harbours are still 'out of bounds' to non-authorised vessels. Also, as a result we had heard that the welcome on Vieques was not exactly warm. But it was Culebra we really wanted to visit anyway, so after a few nights of relaxation in Ensenada Sun Bay on Vieques' south coast we decided to head for Culebra.
We knew that the first part of our passage would be similar to our passages along the south coast of Puerto Rico; large swells and strong wind on the nose. The alarm was set for 5am so that we could make the 10 miles to Punta Este before 7.30am. Once past Punta Este we would turn NW towards Culebra. Unfortunately, although the alarm went off at 5am, we did not manage to drag ourselves out of bed until closer to 7am, and at 7.30am finally dropped our mooring. We paid for our laziness. By the time we headed out of the bay the wind was gusting over 20kts and the swells were 5ft. It took us 3� hours to tack the 10 miles to Punta Este.
We passed the cape shortly after 11am. Dave had had the fishing rod out for a couple of hours and just as we rounded the eastern point of Vieques the reel whizzed into life. Dave rushed to pick up the rod and started to reel it in while I headed Magic a little more into the wind to try to slow her down. After a few moments Dave called out "It's a mahi. We've finally caught one." I looked back along the fishing line and there, sure enough, about 30 yards off the stern a beautiful brightly coloured mahi-mahi launched itself from the water. It took Dave about 20 minutes to play and finally land the fish. He got it on deck, sprayed vodka into the gills to subdue it (the few fish we have landed all go on to the next world drunk as a lord!), and placed it on the side deck while he went to get a bucket. I put Magic back on course and then disaster! A 22kt gust of wind heeled us over, we took water down the side deck and Dave's beautiful fish was washed overboard. We stared at the departing water in mute amazement. We just couldn't believe it. "Oh well, easy come, easy go", Dave picked up the rod and re-cast his lure and line.
But at least we were finally sailing. And a broad reach no less. 7� kts and flying. At last we were having fun. About 45 minutes later the reel whizzed again. Not another mahi-mahi unfortunately, but this big-eye tuna wasn't going to get away. And it didn't. We enjoyed a wonderful tuna dinner when we arrived at our anchorage and have 4 more steaks in the freezer. Life is good!
We had decided not to go directly to Culebra itself for our first night but to head for Cayo de Luis Pe�a, a small islet to the west of the main island. We had chosen the western anchorage and were delighted when we got there to find ourselves alone. The Puerto Rican equivalent of the Department of Natural Resources has installed moorings all over Culebra and Vieques to discourage boats from anchoring and damaging the coral. All of these mooring balls are free and there was one in this small bay so we picked it up. Dave dug out his snorkelling gear and went to inspect the mooring. It all looked good, so we had a quick lunch and later in the afternoon both went to take a look at the reef just off the beach. We had a fantastic snorkel. The fish life was amazing. Within 5 minutes of being in the water we could have ticked off almost every species on our reef fish identification chart. There were wonderful soft corals and large sea fans waving gently in the current. There were sponges, sea urchins, plume worms and even some staghorn coral. Even Dave was impressed despite the absence of lobsters!
The following morning we got up and snorkelled again before breakfast. 'Someday Came' caught up with us that afternoon, and we spent the rest of the day relaxing. Dave even caught up on some splicing he had been intending to do for some time. The morning after Dave, Shannon and Caroline took the dinghies over to some small islets we could see from the anchorage, determined to find some lobster. They didn't come back with dinner but did come back with tales of nurse shark and octopus sightings, as well as warnings of seeing live munitions on the sea floor. A reminder of the area's naval past.
After lunch we decided it was time to move on and sailed a huge distance of 2� miles to Bahia Tamarindo on Culebra's west coast. Our guide book said that the snorkelling here was exceptional so we wanted to give it a try. We again picked up a mooring and the following morning snorkelled before breakfast but although there was plenty of fish life most of the coral here was dead and it was certainly not as spectacular as the previous two days.
From Bahia Tamarindo we moved 8 miles to Dakity Harbor, just to the south of Dewey, Culebra's main town, actually Culebra's only town. We picked up a mooring right behind the reef that protects the bay from the surge and swells outside it. After a rough dinghy ride into town we had dinner at Mamacitas, a lively restaurant that had been recommended to us. Mamacitas was probably our first real taste of the Caribbean. A shack-like restaurant/bar on the water where people were lining up for dinner 30 minutes before the restaurant opened, Mamacitas had a limited (in other words, fresh) menu and a great ambiance. "Please don't feed the iguanas' notices were nailed at various points around the dining area and although we never did see any of the infamous reptiles they do apparently make appearances with great regularity. Another even lumpier dinghy ride back to Magic and we were back on board by 9pm.
We had intended to spend a few more days here but the weather again dictated our plans. We had started to look at the weather for our crossing from Culebra to St. Thomas, USVI's and it seemed that the following day, Sunday, would present if not ideal conditions then certainly better than we could expect to see for at least another week. We were on the move again. At 6am, first light, Sunday morning we left the mooring and Dakity Harbor. Destination, St. Thomas.
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We spent the morning after our arrival in Mayaguez making some repairs to Magic and checking out as much as we could to ensure that everything was still in one piece following our Mona crossing. After lunch we hauled anchor and motor-sailed the 16nm to Boqueron. A couple of hours later we were anchored in the bay.
Boqueron is a small town on the west coast of Puerto Rico. It is known as a 'party town' and at the weekends the bars and restaurants are full to bursting, mainly with students from the local universities, and competing to see who can play the loudest music. But on a Tuesday evening the town was dead. Only one restaurant was open and we dinghied in for dinner.
The anchorage off of Boqueron is very sheltered and has excellent holding. We wanted to explore a little of Puerto Rico and decided that this would be a safe place to leave Magic during the day while we took trips around the island. We hired a car with Shannon and Kathy for three days and set to planning what we wanted to see. We all needed to top up on provisions and Puerto Rico was the ideal place to do it. It's just like being back on mainland USA. There's Sears, Sam's Club, Kmart, Autozone, MacDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken, the list goes on. We decided to get the Sam's Club run out of the way first. This took most of Wednesday afternoon but fortunately when we got back to Boqueron a few more restaurants had opened up and we grabbed a pizza before heading back to the boats to stow all our newly acquired provisions.
On Thursday we decided that we wanted to take a trip to San Juan, the capital of Puerto Rico. On the way we stopped at the town of Ponce. Kevin, back at the boatyard in Annapolis, had kindly researched the location of a Quantum Sails agent in Ponce and we needed to get our staysail to him to be fixed. Fraito, the sail maker, said that he would make the repair while we waited, so within the hour we were back on the road with our repaired sail and heading for San Juan.
Like Santo Domingo in the DR, San Juan is a major city but with an historic district, Old San Juan, that we had been advised not to miss. We arrived in Old San Juan in time for lunch and chose 'The Green Parrot' as our dining venue. After a wonderful lunch, and a mojito or two, we took a stroll around the narrow streets of the old city enjoying the views over the harbour and the offerings of the local shops. San Juan was originally a walled city, and much of the early defensive system still remains. The largest fortification built by the Spanish in the New World is the Castillo San Cristobal. Thought to have been started in 1539 the Spaniards spent the next 250 years adding to the fortification of San Juan. It was a prized location since through it Spain could control access and commerce in and out of the New World.
We arrived at the Castillo at a very opportune time. The 40th anniversary of the fort being made a National Historic Site was being celebrated. As part of the celebration the entrance fee to the fort had been waived, special talks were being given on the construction of the site and, to Dave's great delight, 'birthday cake' was being offered to everyone. We spent a couple of hours touring the Castillo and then slowly made our way back o the car. We had a 2� hour trip back to Boqueron, San Juan was further than we had expected, and we didn't want to be too late back.
We hadn't given any thought to the traffic heading out of the city however and were soon crawling along in a jam the M25 motorway around London would have been proud of. Then we spotted a very large mall and decided that we may just as well kill some time here as sitting in the car. As soon as we got inside Dave & Shannon headed for the Sears' tool department. Kathy, Caroline, Violet and I headed for Border's Books. After more than 3 months of limited retail therapy opportunities it's amazing how quickly consumerism again takes hold. We were like kids in a candy store. An hour or so later we were back in the car and got back to the boat around 10.30pm.
At 6am on 16th February, a day later, we left our anchorage at Boqueron. We were heading for La Parguera on the Puerto Rican south coast. Just after 8am we rounded Cabo Rojo, the cape on the south-western tip of the island. We were now officially in the Caribbean. We had begun to see for ourselves the challenges that we were now going to face going east along this south coast. The trade winds start to blow every morning at around 8am. They blow from the east, just south of east, or just north of east at between 20 & 30kts. The seas build at the same time until you see short swells of 6ft or more again from the east. We had left at 6am believing that this would give us time to be anchored off La Parguera before conditions really built up. We were wrong. The last half of our trip was another tacking battle, motor-sailing against wind and sea. For our trips along this coast we would have to leave much earlier.
La Parguera was another pleasant small town and we spent a couple of days there before moving on to Cayos de Cana Gorda a.k.a. 'Gilligan's Island'. This area is a national park and we had been told that the snorkelling here was not to be missed. Well, apart from finding the biggest hermit crab we had ever seen, Dave and I were not all that impressed with the snorkelling and the following day moved on again to Ponce.
We left Gilligan's Island at 3am and motored the 20 miles to Ponce Yacht Club. At least this time we had got our timing right and were safely at anchor before the trades kicked up. We topped up on fuel and water at the yacht club, and at 5.30am the following day moved on again. Someday Came spent an extra day in Ponce, but Doug and Sheryl on Prudence accompanied us to Isla Caja de Muertos, Coffin Island.
Some say that Coffin Island is named after its wedge-like coffin shape. Others say its name comes from the legend of pirate Jose Almeida who buried his wife there after she was killed a short time following their wedding. Whatever the correct reason, Coffin Island is now a national park and a beautiful spot to visit. Together with Doug and Sheryl we walked the trail up to the lighthouse, which is still operating and strolled along the beach by the anchorage. We spent the afternoon relaxing, preparing for another early start the following morning. Another 3am start, this time to run the 20 miles to Salinas.
Salinas is the Puerto Rican equivalent of Luperon; a good hurricane hole. The harbour is very sheltered and has good depth and holding. We were also impressed with the town of Salinas itself, especially 'The Cruisers Galley', a caf� serving a great breakfast and with a good internet connection, finally! Someday Came caught up with us in Salinas and after a couple of days relaxing here we all decided that it was again time to move on.
We left Salinas at 4.40pm on February 24th. Magic was heading for Vieques in the Spanish Virgin Islands and Someday Came was intending to stop off at Cayo Santiago, Monkey Island. In 1939 rhesus monkeys were brought to the island from India. The intention was to create a colony to be used for scientific experiments. Today the University of Puerto Rico and the Caribbean Primate Research Center monitor the activities of the 700 monkeys on the island. Visitors are not allowed ashore, but the animals can be viewed from the water. Visiting boats apparently provoke the curiosity of the monkeys who often gather to watch, and you have to wonder who exactly is observing who!
For Magic this passage was another trial against the prevailing conditions. We tacked, motor-sailing, along the south coast and rounded the cape at Punta Tuna just after 4am. Finally we could turn the engine off and sail. By 7.30am we had picked up a mooring in Ensenada Sun Bay on Vieques' south coast. We'd made it to the Virgin Islands!
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Sounds like you are having a great adventure. Audrey and I will be at our condo in the Turks and Caicos the last week of March. Send us a email if you are back in that area. Looks like you have already pass by their. Steve
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The first time I prepared a roast pepper salad it happened to be whensome Rumanian relatives came for dinner. They went on and on about how the delicious dish brought back flavors from the old country. When I invited them, I'd had no idea, before they arrived, that roast pepper salad – salată de ardei copți – was a classic Rumanian dish. There were some very happy guests that evening.
This colorful salad has become one of my absolute favorites. I love how the natural sweetness in the peppers combines with the tartness of the vinaigrette. Heaven.
But there was a problem in paradise. The way this dish is traditionally made – peeling and seeding each pepper after it roasted and cooled – was just too time-consuming to fit into a my hectic schedule. It became a rare treat, prepared for guests and celebrations. That is, until I found a way to cheat just a little, and cut preparation time way down.
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Roast Pepper Salad
6 bell peppers (nice to use a variety of colors)
2 tbsp. olive oil
1 tbsp vinegar (I used apple cider vinegar)
1 small clove of garlic
pinch of salt
Let's Cook!
- Slice the peppers into uniform strips.
- Place the slices on a baking tray lined with aluminum foil and place the tray in the oven.
Note: If you put it on the top shelf it'll roast faster but that means you'll have to check them more often to make sure they don't burn. (Note to self, don't start writing emails in another room when this is in the oven). Alternatively, place them on a lower shelf. Cooking time will be a bit longer, but you won't have to be as vigilant.
- Roast the peppers on high heat for about 20 minutes, turning them when they just start to blacken slightly.
- While they are roasting, prepare the vinaigrette by combining the crushed garlic, olive oil, vinegar, and a dash of salt.
- Remove the peppers. Cool. Mix with the vinaigrette.
Serve at room temperature.
I placed the yellow, red, and green peppers separately on the tray. They each cooked at a different speed with the yellow being ready the soonest and the red taking the longest, so cooking time can vary somewhat.
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