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Ok, here is the new thread that I am attempting to move out of the "Backcountry Cookfires" thread. Flame away.
Brian James wrote:"We're using two different definitions of Carbon Neutral. Yours is the official definition"Well, I'm glad we agree on that.Brian James wrote:"whereas I'm using a functional one that I invented."So, again, a tautology. I'm wrong because you define me as being wrong. But it does verify my suspicion that we are talking about two different things. I'm willing to bet that we actually agree, if you read the link that Arapiles cited closely enough. (In much the same way that he and I found that we were talking about two subtly different things during that argument.)Brian James wrote:"I'm not even trying to debate"That's what I said: you have defined me as wrong, and you are unwilling to have a dialog. Well, maybe I'm wrong... I guess you mean 'debate' as in the classical debate-club sense. Well, neither am I. This isn't a competition. But that doesn't mean I'm going to let anyone get away with specious logic, like using ad hominem attacks or tautologies.Brian James wrote:"I could go back through my post and pepper it with... 80's pop psychology... but I feel that you get what I mean."I didn't ask you to pepper your post with anything; I just asked you to back up what you said, which is generally expected of adults everywhere. And, yes, I get what you said: You said that I am a member of the Vast Environmental Conspiracy, and a pawn of some sort of agenda. Am I taking this too personally, or did I misunderstand what you said? Because it sure sounded like that crack was directed at me.Sorry, but I do take that personally, and trying to say "Well, this is just my opinion..." is not a mitigating factor. If I say that my opinion of you is that you are an undereducated zealot, should you not take it personally? (I emphasize that I'm not calling you names; I'm trying to make a point.)Not to mention, the very idea that one person's opinions are just as valid as any other's is ludicrous. Is the opinion of an semiliterate Indonesian drift-net fisherman regarding sustainable fishing just as valid as that of a Fish and Game marine biologist? Of course not!As I said, for all I know you are a climatologist. And Arapiles and I agreed (I think...) that burning pine cones and twigs that will grow back in one season in something like a Bushbuddy is very sustainable with effectively no net impact on greenhouse gases. At the risk of sounding repetitious: we agreed that large-scale burning of wood for heat and power faster than it regrows is NOT carbon-neutral. My big point was that there is a very fundamental difference between freeing carbon locked in wood and freeing carbon that was fixed in oil millions of years ago. Read about the Azolla event. Before it locked away all that carbon the Earth was a hothouse with no ice at the poles. THAT is the sort of carbon (among other sources of oil) that we are freeing when we burn fossil fuels.If you just say "You're wrong!", and I just say "No, you're wrong!", what does that accomplish?Forums are a great place to discuss opinions. But if you have a OPINION on a SCIENTIFIC subject, then DEFEND it. (And please do it in the new thread (Chaff > The Carbon Flame War), if it concerns carbon neutrality, et al.)On the other hand, if you say "my objection is almost totally aesthetic", well then that ends that, doesn't it? I can't say that I want to find fire rings in the Yosemite back country, either. I'd have to say that I agree with you in principle, though we may differ on exactly how rigid we are about it. (See below.)But you can't claim some bizzare rationalization based on carbon emissions. That's what I was trying to say.Arapiles wrote:"But the interesting thing is I think all three of us agree that the article recommended practices that are wildly outdated and inappropriate."In national parks, wildernesses, and wildlife refuges, yes. But as I said, I have no great heartburn over small recreational campfires and firepits on BLM or national forest land. I certainly don't want them EVERYWHERE, and I don't want Joe Sixpack going out and building bonfires, but the intended use of those lands is different than the parks. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind if all national forests were changed into parks by fiat, either. I don't understand why the US government has to keep subsidizing Weyerhauser. If that makes lumber too expensive, well, then we can build houses out of brick, like they do in Europe (or at least Germany).
Ooooh goodie, a carbon debate. Can anyone join in?Just to pick up on what you said about the earth being a hothouse before the 'Azolla event'. It's an underappreciated fact that the earth has spent the majority of the last 500M years at a global average temp of around 22C. That's abut 10C higher than it is at the moment, we're just coming out of a major period of ice ages. Hothouse is the norm for planet earth and no matter what we try do about it, the temperature will rise to 22C and level out again, just as it has after the last 4 major ice age periods during the last 500M years. Here's the graph:Given the way earth's temp levels out at 22C and 'recovers' from ice ages, we have to conclude that we have been in a period of unusually cool climate and it's going to get a lot hotter in the long run.Taxing the bejeezus out of us for using cheap airlines won't make any difference, and neither will refraining from lighting small campfires or hiking in sackcloth and the ashes from Joe's bonfire.Sorry if this is at a bit of a tangent to the original debate.
Edited by tallbloke on 04/07/2008 02:28:30 MDT.
Tallbloke,You may, or may not, be right about what happens in the long run, but the changes illustrated by your graph play out over the course of 100's of millions of years. Life in all its myriad forms is very adaptable, given time, but the events we see playing out today are goosing the process into overdrive(if one can believe the IPCC and others), so that these changes will occur in a matter of centuries. That puts enormous stress on the ability of millions of species to adapt and survive. Some of those creatures, e.g. phytoplankton that produce most of the O2 in the atmosphere, may be critical to our own survival. Nobody knows for sure but, when the stakes are so high, why roll the dice? Maybe better to err on the side of caution?
Tom,Humans like to believe that change is 'naturally gradual' because it's less intimidating that way. However, evidence of past events in the fossil rcord and ice core samples show otherwise. Big melts of arctic ice etc have happened over very short timescales many times before, and long before man set fire to coal. Greenland used to be green. Vineland used to support the grape.Humans also like to believe they are a powerful and influential force on the planet, but in truth, we are pretty insignificant on the big scale of things. In the face of enormous natural forces we cannot control or even affect more than infinitesimally, 'erring on the side of caution' could be 'fiddling while Rome burns'. It could well be that the best course of action for us would be to expend large amounts of fossil fuel energy over the next few decades moving folks inland and up the hill a bit and reconfiguring the infrastructure before the coast goes under.However, the immediate forecast put out by those who believe that the sun's cyclic changes in erruptivity are a much more important driver of climatic variation than atmospheric CO2 are saying that far from runaway global warming, we are facing a big cooldown period over the next 50 years as sunspot activity drops to a 300 year minimum. The last time this happened, folks were holding ice fairs on the river Thames and River Rhein.Given the fact that the ice core samples show that rises in CO2 lag behind rises in temperature by several hundred years rather than precede them, I'm inclined to take them seriously. These century scale swings in temperature of several degrees gradually build into the major changes over millenia evidenced by the graph I posted above. Species are adaptable given time as you note, and they will get plenty of 'remisission periods' in which to thrive between 'stressful change periods' where natural selection will be fiercer.Change is the norm, we have been through a long period since the bronze age of unusually stable climate and have come to regard change as cataclysmic and something to be feared. If our Neolithic ancestors were capable of migrating thousands of miles before advancing glaciers and deserts, and rising or receding seas, we should be able to rise to the challenge too.
Edited by tallbloke on 04/08/2008 03:18:54 MDT.
Rog,Granted there is a certain amount of granularity in global temperatures. The "little ice age" just ended, and the "year without summer" was only a couple of centuries ago. But your graph shows changes in temperature by 10C over the course of 5 million years or so. What is happening now is MUCH quicker than that. Isn't a 2C change predicted in the next 50 years or so? Can I rule out that it is a part of this granularity in global temperatures? No, of course not. I'm not a climatologist, but when 90% of the scientific community (the 90% without grants from Exxon-Mobil) tell me that there is a problem I'm inclined to at least pay attention.In support, here is a link to an essay that is much discussed, in which a literature search on scientific papers published from 1993-2003 with the keywords "climate change" found no sources dissenting the human impact on global warming:http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686I will grant that this is one decade, and dissenting papers can be found. Most of them date from the 1970's and 1980's, with a pathetic few as late as 1991. I will also grant that this wan't the most rigorous of research but, heck, it was published in Science magazine.In addition, here is a list of scientific organizations of national or international stature endorsing the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change statement, to whit, that anthropogenic greenhouse gases are responsible for most of the rise in temperature through the latter half of the 20th century:Joint science academyInterAcademy CouncilEuropean Academy of Sciences and ArtsNetwork of African Science AcademiesU.S. National Research CouncilAmerican Meteorological SocietyRoyal Meteorological Society (UK)World Meteorological Organization (WMO)American Geophysical UnionAmerican Institute of PhysicsAmerican Astronomical SocietyAmerican Physical SocietyFederal Climate Change Science ProgramNational Center for Atmospheric ResearchAmerican Association for the Advancement of ScienceStratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of LondonAmerican Quaternary AssociationGeological Society of AmericaAmerican Chemical SocietyFederation of American ScientistsEngineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia)Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic SocietyCanadian Meteorological and Oceanographic SocietyCanadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric SciencesEuropean Geosciences UnionInternational Union of Geodesy and GeophysicsInternational Union of Geological SciencesInternational Council for ScienceEuropean Science FoundationNote all of those Geological societies...Here is a list of dissenting scientific organizations of national or international standing:Note, there are none. I can make a list of individual scientists who dissent, but no organizations. There must be some out there, but my cursory search didn't find them. If you've got one, let me know.Here is a list of officially noncommittal scientific organizations of national or international standing:American Association of State ClimatologistsAmerican Association of Petroleum Geologists So even the American Association of PETROLEUM Geologists can't muster a dissenting opinion! Here is the AAPG statement:http://dpa.aapg.org/gac/statements/climatechange.pdfGranted, I got this list from Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt. I did. I didn't check every organization, but I did check the position of several of the bigger ones.By the way- what kind of a source is that chart of yours? Isn't geocraft.com a retail dealer of fossils from West Virginia? Can you cite a better source? (Preferably peer-reviewed.) I'd like to read up on this. It was my understanding that there was never a period in Earth's history before 65 million years ago or so that both poles were glaciated.Incidentally, the original argument wasn't about global warming. It was about the carbon-neutrality of burning wood, as contrasted with fossil fuels, alcohol, etc. It got a little heated, so I tried to move it away from the innocents.
Edited by acrosome on 04/08/2008 13:32:16 MDT.
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Hi Rog,Dean, see his last post, and I are apparently reading the same sources. The lack of dissent among the best people we have is, I think, pretty compelling. Again, I stress the rate of change as it impacts adaptation. As for moving our collective butts to higher ground like our Neolithic ancestors, they were a relatively few millions in number. There are now ~6.5 billion and counting. Not enough high ground to go around, I suspect, never mind leaving enough to produce our food. Then again, processes already in motion may well be beyond our capability to mitigate. Nobody knows for sure...Interesting discussion in the appropriate forum. Thanks, Dean, for moving it here. It was rapidly degenerating in its former home.
FWIW solar activity as related to recent climate (temperature) changes has been eliminated as a cause."Our results show that the observed rapid rise inglobal mean temperatures seen after 1985 cannot be ascribed to solar variability, whichever of the mechanisms is invoked and no matter how much the solar variation is amplified."http://publishing.royalsociety.org/media/proceedings_a/rspa20071880.pdfIt is our collective foot that is on the accelerator. Carry on.
> Isn't a 2C change predicted in the next 50 years or so? Can I rule out that it is a part of this granularity in global temperatures? No, of course not. I'm not a climatologist, but when 90% of the scientific community (the 90% without grants from Exxon-Mobil) tell me that there is a problem I'm inclined to at least pay attention.Hi Dean, The rise is predicted by a worthless computer model which has been shown to give wildly varying output depending on the intital conditions and unproven assumptions about the effect of CO2 on temperature you start off with. Garbage in - garbage out. Carbon dioxide is in fact a very weak greenhouse gas. The way in which the model comes up with it's scary figures is by assuming that increased atmospheric CO2 will lead to the formation of water vapour ( a greenhouse gas hundreds of times stronger than CO2) in the upper atmosphere. However, NASA's satellites show no increase of water vapour in the stratosphere over the last 20 years. This is a real empirical result, rather than a computer modelled flight of fancy.Very few climatologists are in the pay of oil companies, compared with the estimated 3.2 billion dollar global warming gravy train funding the research of the 'pro global warming camp'. If you want a research grant these days in climatology, you have to pay lip service to the 'truth' of global warming or be left out in the cold.>In support, here is a link to an essay that is much discussed, in which a literature search on scientific papers published from 1993-2003 with the keywords "climate change" found no sources dissenting the human impact on global warming:http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686For 'much discussed' substitute 'much discredited' Naomi Oreskes is a historian of science, not a climatologist, and she was forced to admit an important disingenuity in her methodology after Benny Peiser found her results didn't match up to her stated case. Furthermore, a more recent study of the body of scientific literature discovered very different results:http://tinyurl.com/2f8qxr"Medical researcher Dr. Klaus-Martin Schulte recently updated this research. Using the same database and search terms as Oreskes, he examined all papers published from 2004 to February 2007. The results have been submitted to the journal Energy and Environment, of which DailyTech has obtained a pre-publication copy. The figures are surprising.Of 528 total papers on climate change, only 38 (7%) gave an explicit endorsement of the consensus. If one considers "implicit" endorsement (accepting the consensus without explicit statement), the figure rises to 45%. However, while only 32 papers (6%) reject the consensus outright, the largest category (48%) are neutral papers, refusing to either accept or reject the hypothesis. This is no "consensus."The figures are even more shocking when one remembers the watered-down definition of consensus here. Not only does it not require supporting that man is the "primary" cause of warming, but it doesn't require any belief or support for "catastrophic" global warming. In fact of all papers published in this period (2004 to February 2007), only a single one makes any reference to climate change leading to catastrophic results.">In addition, here is a list of scientific organizations of national or international stature endorsing the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change statement, to whit, that anthropogenic greenhouse gases are responsible for most of the rise in temperature through the latter half of the 20th century:[snip long list of worthy organisations]The IPCC isn't a scientific body, editorial control of it's output rests with politicians and policy makers. Many of the scientists cited in support of it's findings were so angry about the way their work was misrepresented and manipulated that they demanded the withdrawal of their names from the final publication of it's most recent report. They were refused...In that report, the IPCC admits that due to the current lack of understanding of the effect of solar erruptivity on cloud formation, they cannot quantify it's contribution to global average temperature variation. Illogically, they then go on to provide a definite figure for humankind's contribution to warming as being around 3.7 watts per square meter. The sun on a clear day lands around 1400 watts per square meter on the earths surface....>Granted, I got this list from WikipediaEditorial control of Wikipedias section on global climate is dominated by the 'pro man made global warming camp'. Several attempts to my direct knowledge have been made to correct assumptions and errors in it, but they get reverted and dismissed every time. Wikipedia cannot be taken as a neutral or definitive source on this issue. >By the way- what kind of a source is that chart of yours? Isn't geocraft.com a retail dealer of fossils from West Virginia? Can you cite a better source? (Preferably peer-reviewed.) I'd like to read up on this.This page has two seperate graphs of CO2 and temperature over the last 500m years, source for the temp one is NASA.Note the reversed timescale.http://www.sankey.ws/globalwarm.htmlClearly this page has an agenda, as do all pages on the net regarding the climate issue, continue your own research and form your own conclusions on the scientific evidence, rather than relying on lists of organisations to back a viewpoint which has more to do with politics than science.Check out 'urban heat island' for a start and why NASA's temp figures for the troposphere don't match up with the supposed rise in surface temperatures. (The southern hemispheres tropospheric temp has been falling almost as much as the northern hemisphere's temp has been rising over the last 20 years. The variation of both is significantly less than the surface figures which have been 'adjusted' (manipulated) to allow (not enough) for the urban heat island effect.Study the cause and effect issue with the ice core sample results. If rises in CO2 lag behing rises in temperature by hundreds of years, how can CO2 be the cause of temperature rise rather than an effect of that temperature rise?>Incidentally, the original argument wasn't about global warming. It was about the carbon-neutrality of burning wood, as contrasted with fossil fuels, alcohol, etcAlcohol is a biofuel as are pine cones and twigs, as are coal and oil. It all comes from the sun's energy in the final analysis. The argument is about the rate at which we unlock the energy from past deposition. I'd agree with you that having a small twig fire to cook your trail dinner is a harmless and enjoyable activity.I'll back off and let you get on with the debate.CheersRog
Edited by tallbloke on 04/09/2008 03:06:22 MDT.
>"Our results show that the observed rapid rise inglobal mean temperatures seen after 1985 cannot be ascribed to solar variability, whichever of the mechanisms is invoked and no matter how much the solar variation is amplified."http://publishing.royalsociety.org/media/proceedings_a/rspa20071880.pdfHi Rick, The Royal society's paper is talking about solar irradiance, and takes no account of solar erruptivity. There is an important distinction here. Irradiance is the amount of heat given off by the sun. Erruptivity relates to the strength of the solar wind which wards off highly energetic particles entering the solar system from outside. There is recent research which suggests that these particles have much to do with cloud formation which in turn has strong effects on the earth's surface temperature.The Guardian and the BBC both ran informative articles on this recently, I'll try to find some links for you.
>As for moving our collective butts to higher ground like our Neolithic ancestors, they were a relatively few millions in number. There are now ~6.5 billion and counting. Not enough high ground to go around, I suspect, never mind leaving enough to produce our food.Hi Tom, fortunately, it looks like we won't have to go to all that trouble. :-)http://tinyurl.com/ysb7xo"All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years."Isn't it amazing, Bush only has to *say* he wants to reduce CO2 output, and Lo! the earths temperature plummets! ;-)
Edited by tallbloke on 04/09/2008 03:11:04 MDT.
"Very few climatologists are in the pay of oil companies, compared with the estimated 3.2 billion dollar global warming gravy train funding the research of the 'pro global warming camp'. If you want a research grant these days in climatology, you have to pay lip service to the 'truth' of global warming or be left out in the cold."Insurers and reinsurers aren't debating global warming, they're paying for it - and working out what it's going to cost them in the future. And as actuaries and people with other quantitative science backgrounds they're not exactly into soft-science, they're hard-nosed number-crunchers. And their research isn't funded externally, it's funded internally for their own purposes, so it's not subject to political concerns. And I've never seen even a glimmer of a suggestion from any of the risk studies done by reinsurers that I've seen that throw even the slightest doubt on the reality of global warming. If you want an actuary's view of the evidence for global warming check out SwissRe's on-line resources. I remember being in Melbourne in 1990 and being shown a graph of the storm insurance claims in Melbourne. Historically most storm claims were for the winter months of June and July. From the mid-80's onwards it very suddenly switched to November/December and I believe that that's still the pattern. The insurer showing me the graph said "and they say there's no such thing as global warming".
I see this meme frequently, and it always brings a chuckle and a sigh (along with the semi-popular "man's arrogance" line of thought). When a climatologist retires with a golden parachute the size of Lee Raymond's, we can talk. If nothing else, the various industries potentially negatively affected by a switch from carbon-sourced energy have taken tobacco's playbook and are engaged in vigorous and very effective rear-guard action. Every year they buy is a gift--but at what cost to the rest of us?Speaking of Lee Raymond:"The American Enterprise Institute, of which Lee Raymond is vice-chairman, offered $10,000 stipends to scientists for studies disputing the IPCC 2006 report on climate change." It's silly, really, because the myriad actions required will take decades, and contemporary energy supplies will dwindle even faster with every delay, meaning ultimately a precipitous decline rather than a soft landing for big oil, et al.Sea water acidification could be equally problematic, as the oceans' buffering capacity is used up.Very few climatologists are in the pay of oil companies, compared with the estimated 3.2 billion dollar global warming gravy train funding the research of the 'pro global warming camp'. If you want a research grant these days in climatology, you have to pay lip service to the 'truth' of global warming or be left out in the cold.
Regarding the proposed rate of temperature increase that I mentioned, Rog wrote:"The rise is predicted by a worthless computer model which has been shown to give wildly varying output depending on the inital conditions and unproven assumptions about the effect of CO2 on temperature you start off with."Well, then it must be eight worthless computer models:***************************************Hmm. I gotta figure out how to post pictures, huh? I've asked several times, so can somebody tell me how to do that? It rather disappoints when my graph doesn't materialize.***************************************Aha! I have found the "Insert Image at Cursor" button that was right in front of my face. (I maintain that it was too obvious.) Evidently I had found it once before, since I posted a picture of a rocket nozzle a while back, but it must have been during a drunken stupor, as I do not remember it.Anyway...Rog also wrote:"Study the cause and effect issue with the ice core sample results. If rises in CO2 lag behing [sic] rises in temperature by hundreds of years, how can CO2 be the cause of temperature rise rather than an effect of that temperature rise?"That statement is based upon a pretty poor scientific assumption, namely: that the mechanism of current temperature rise is the same as the historical temperature rises that you mention. I think you will agree that rising temperatures lead, through various mechanisms, to a feedback cycle that releases CO2 into the atmosphere. (This is one reason for worries about a "runaway greenhouse effect.") The reverse holds true, as well. Thus, if other incredibly complex mechanisms initiated the temperature rises and falls in the historical record, which most people will agree with you on, that is why the CO2 levels lag. CO2 probably didn't cause these temperature fluctuations, but rather were a result of them and fed back on them, as you said. Your graph starts in the Cambrian, when there were an awful lot of differences compared to the modern biosphere, atmosphere, geology, insolation, etc. A lot of the variables were wildly different, not just CO2! The proposed mechanism for modern temperature rise is different, and concentrates on the variable that is changing the most significantly: CO2. The IPCC statement only covers the last 50 years, after all. And I will grant that the IPCC isn't a perfect scientific body, but until you can find me a better one that has a dissenting opinion, I'll listen to what they say.Regarding the Urban Heat Island argument, I can name papers disputing that the effect is real. For example:http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0442%282003%29016%3C2941%3AAOUVRI%3E2.0.CO%3B2&ct=1http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1175%2FJCLI3730.1Sorry, those are links to an abstracts only, as I do not subscribe to the journal in question. Of course, these papers have attracted criticism, so before you post it, I will. McIntyre:http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1859I would point out, however, that McIntyre was never published on this subject in any way, let alone peer-reviewed. A better criticism is Pielke:http://climatesci.org/publications/pdf/R-302.pdfBut, these dissenting opinions are definitely a minority. You will notice this theme throughout my post...When you talk about solar irradiation vs erruptivity, you're taling about the Solanki paper, right? Well, I think I recall that Solanki says in his paper that he has no idea what is causing global warming, and specifically doesn't attribute it to solar activity of any kind. So I would propose that it is neutral on the subject, not dissenting.Regarding criticisms of the solar hypothesis for global warming, I'd be interested in your critique of this other paper that disagrees with it, and concludes that the observed changes in solar activity have minimal effect:http://cc.oulu.fi/%7Eusoskin/personal/nature02995.pdfRegarding the Oreskes paper, Rog Wrote:"Medical researcher Dr. Klaus-Martin Schulte recently updated this research."And also pointed out the Ms Oreskes is, in fact, a science historian, not a scientist. Well, yes, she is a science historian. I wasn't trying to sneak anything past anyone, and in fact called her work an "essay" for that reason. I could have been more explicit but, shucks, my posts are too long already. (Can I hear an "Amen!"?) I would propose that she is somewhat qualified to perform literature reviews, since that is basically what a science historian does. And, in her defense, she was published and peer-reviewed.Which is more than can be said of Dr Schulte's work. First, he is an endocrinologist, as you hinted at, so he's not really any better a source than Oreskes, and probably a worse one. (I'm a surgeon, so my opinion of internal medicine specialties is, of course, low. *humor*) Second, the paper in question was never published. Regarding your link, note that it is from a blog, and is a sort of a "heads up" about a paper that will be published soon. Well, it wasn't. I am forced to resort to another blog entry to give the brief story to those who are interested:http://www.desmogblog.com/schultes-analysis-not-published-not-going-to-beIn short, Dr Schulte's proposed study was apparently about some sort of psychological patient population who were experiencing angst and anxiety about global warming, and the statistics that you quoted were a by-product of trying to "prove" that such anxiety is irrational. I would thus propose that Schulte may have been biased, since if these fears are not irrational then he has no reason to treat these patients. (And his study covers a different, more recent time period that Oreske's, as you said.) Apparently he and Oreskes got a little heated with each other, and Schulte published a rebuttal to her statements. Here:http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/sppi_reprint_series/open_letter_in_response_to_namoi_oreskes_criticisms.htmlAn exerpt: Schulte reviewed all 928 papers included in Oreske's paper, and he found a grand total of five that he thinks were mis-categorized in it and should have been analyzed as discounting anthropogenic climate change. That's still only 5/928! And one of them was an AAPG paper- an organization which, as I mentioned earlier, revised it's statements in 2007. Another is obviously more neutral than contradictory (Fernau et al. 1993).And agin, it wasn't reviewed or published. So, Shulte: not a great source, either.But BOTH Oreskes and Schulte are individual researchers. I still maintain that consensus from large organizations is a better metric. You will always be able to find someone on the fringe to disagree with even the most obvious conclusions. (Though obvious conclusions HAVE been proven wrong in the past, I know. Look up H. pylori some time...)Regarding publishing bias, Rog wrote:"Very few climatologists are in the pay of oil companies, compared with the estimated 3.2 billion dollar global warming gravy train funding the research of the 'pro global warming camp'. "I refer you to another blog (unfortunately) discussing how the U.S government is subtly pressuring scientists to minimize support for anthropogenic global warming:http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn11074-us-climate-scientists-pressured-on-climate-change.htmlIF you want a more formal report, here is the one discussed in the blog entry, published by the Union of Concerned Scientists:http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/scientific_integrity/FTG-written-testimony.pdfRog wrote:"Wikipedia cannot be taken as a neutral or definitive source on this issue."Well, duh. That's why I said "granted, I got this list from Wikipedia" by way of warning. I think I made my disclaimer obvious, so criticisms by you and others aren't terribly productive. (Agreement and a friendly jab, there, not hostility.) In fact I would go further to state that it isn't a definitive source on ANY issue. But, I find it a good place to start, and then follow the references, and google them, and find dissenting opinions, etc. Realistically, what else are you going to use in a timely fashion? Google- where you can PAY to have your site listed first in the search results?DISCLAIMER! My graph, above, is from a Wikipedia site! (But, it's such a pretty graph...)Regarding the sankey website you linked regarding historical CO2 levels: again, a private website, so not a great source. (note my caveats, above, whenever I link a blog, and I always try to find the primary sources.) And not many sources are referenced. Still, it is interesting. I did, despite my protestations, know roughly how the global climate has changed in the past few hundred million years, but I'm learning from this reading. Do you have anything published and peer-reviewed?Rog wrote:"Clearly this page has an agenda, as do all pages on the net regarding the climate issue, continue your own research and form your own conclusions on the scientific evidence..."You got that right, Brother, and I always do. That's why I take everything you say with a grain of salt, too. Note how I check sources. I've discovered that a lot of people posting on fora like this try to bully their way around with inconceivably bad sources. Not all, but probably a majority, and I choose to call them on it. I'm not a geologist or climatologist but I am a scientist, so I at least have a chance of reviewing most scientific papers on global warming with a critical eye. I do not, however, have the time to devote my life to it.Anyway, we can go back and forth like this FOREVER.My position in a nutshell:I think all this discussion is moot. We can argue degree, but the truth is that a VAST majority of scientific organizations AND individual scientists support the anthropogenic hypothesis for global warming. As you mentioned I got that list from Wikipedia, but I also CHECKED it. Can you find me dissenting statements from reputable national or international organizations? Seriously. I haven't had much chance to look, since I have now spent all of my free time on this post so far, but I'm going to try.I'm willing to agree to disagree if you are. Frankly, I work VERY long hours and this is cutting into quality time with my daughter. Unfortunately I am almost incapable of backing down from an argument, but my knowledge base on this subject isn't as comprehensive as on carbon emissions specifically, so eventually I'm going to tire of the effort that I have to put into this "he said- she said" stuff. (I lay claim to the masculine side of that metaphor, by the way...) (*humor* again)P.S.Glad to hear your concurrence about burning wood. But then again, if you are a "global warming is hogwash" guy, I can hardly imagine that you'd disagree...Wow. Isn't this fun ???
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Rog,A one year blip is just a blip, not a trend, and a statistical "zeroing" of the account doesn't put ice back on the glaciers, stop the melting of the permafrost which releases methane in ever increasing quantities, etc. Stay tuned.
Hi Tom, the antarctic has been accreting more ice than it has been losing off its edge for a few years now. I know weve all seen the emotive pictures of chunks dropping off the edge of the Llarson ice shelf in high summer when its film crew season but answer me this:Where did glaciers used to flow to before man set fire to coal?
Hi Arapiles, I dont deny that there was a period in the second half of the C20th/start of the C21st when the global average temperature rose 0.6C or so. I jus doubt that it has much to do with human activity. The increase of CO2 in the atmoshere doesnt correlate particularly well with temperature for one thing, whereas it correlates very closely with sunspot activity. I will dig out the graphs on my pc when I get home.
Hi Arapiles, I dont deny that there was a period in the second half of the C20th/start of the C21st when the global average temperature rose 0.6C or so. I just doubt that it has much to do with human activity. The increase of CO2 in the atmosphere doesnt correlate particularly well with temperature for one thing, whereas it correlates very closely with sunspot activity. I will dig out the graphs on my pc when I get home.
Yo Rog,The chunk that dropped off was what, about the size of Massachusetts or so? Can't remember the exact state used for comparison, but it was a pretty hefty chunk of ice. Takes a lot of accretion to offset that. Meanwhile, the Arctic icecap and Greenland ice caps are hemorrhaging, the Himalayan glaciers are melting and, anecdotally, I can assure you that the glaciers here in the PNW are receding further every year. However, while we are focused on warming another, potentially devastating, phenomenon is unfolding; As Rick mentioned, above, the Ph of the oceans is falling due to increased absorption of atmospheric CO2 and the impact on the microorganisms that populate the oceans, often overlooked, is starting to show up; they play a critical role in the maintenance of life as we know it on this planet by anchoring the marine food chain and maintaining atmospheric O2. They operate within fairly narrow ranges of Ph and temperature. Given time, perhaps they could adapt to warmer and more acidic conditions, which brings us back to rate of change; but if they dont, we're in a world of hurt. As I said earlier, why roll the dice when there's so much potentially at stake. Better to back off on our consumption and population growth, and error on the side of caution until we're absolutely sure we understand what's going on. We can always get back to partying hearty later if all of us "Chicken Littles" are wrong. Matter of fact, I'll buy the first round of drinks for us all at that Great Watering Hole in the Sky" if that turns out to be the case.Not sure what you mean with the glacier flow before man started burning coalreference.
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The Coweta County Commission's first meeting of the new year will be held Tuesday at 6 p.m.
Commission meetings are held in the county commission chambers on Perry Street, above the tax assessors' office in Newnan.
The meeting was originally scheduled for Jan. 3, but was rescheduled by the commissioners in December.
The agenda for the meeting is short.
Items include beginning of the year appointments, including the naming of the commission chairman, vice chairman, counsel, clerk, and deputy clerk.
Other new year's items include setting the meeting dates and times for the next year, the adoption of rules governing the commission meetings, and chairman's appointments.
Other items on the agenda include:
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Aqualipo is a not a solution for dieters looking to lose 25, 35 or more pounds. Instead, it is for the patient who is at a comfortable weight but wants to sculpt the mid-section, thighs, arms or other part of the body. Fat cells have the ability to grow as needed to store fat. If the Aqualipo procedure is completed on a dieter who has not changed eating habits, it will not prevent weight gain and those stubborn areas will again store fat just in different fat cells.
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"I found a fun little technique to use the R16 or R17 Motion Tracker in a unique way to create some great handheld camera moves. In this tutorial I'll show you how it's done." - Joren Kandel
Advanced Finishing in Resolve 11
Take your Resolve grading work to the next level of finishing and vfx with BCC and mocha. Resolve Trainier and colorist Alex Van Hurkman shows us how to use Boris Continuum Complete (BCC) and mocha Pro together inside Resolve to create visual effects and some finishing. He even explains it in term us NLE editors can understand.
Adding Weapons and VFX to a Fight Scene
Inserting Blood Hits, Muzzle Flash and Wound Effects into a fight scene in FCP X using Coremelt TrackX powered by mocha. Plus free blood and muzzle flash elements from FXElements.
Tracking Masks: comparing Adobe's Mask Tracker and mocha AE CC
Adobe Creative Cloud has a tool called "Mask Tracker" the is found in both Premiere Pro CC 2014 and After Effects CC 2014, that can be used to easily create masks. After effects also has "mocha AE CC", a dedicated planar tracker that is similar to Mask Tracker, but also allows keyframe control, and has advanced features for dealing with some of the more difficult masking or tracking situations.
Mary Poplin, from Imagineer Systems, shows you the similarities and differences between the "Mask Tracker" and the bundled "mocha AE CC." Knowing which tool to use in which situation can help you save time and be more creative.
Re-creating the Lost Smoke Monster
In this Episode of Red Giant TV, Filmmaker/Motion Graphics artist Seth Worley will show you how to re-create the look of the Lost Smoke monster. Covered: Compositing, Masking, 3D tracking, Color Correction and some really cool Trapcode Particular techniques.
Cyriak's Halloween Costume
Learn to create an effect inspired by Cyriak, where a creepy hand-crab monster projects from a person's mouth. This effect is very involved, with lots of rotoscoping, tracking and hand animation. It's not for the feint of heart, but you will learn a ton.
Head replacement with mocha and Adobe After Effects
Learn how to design, shoot and composite a head replacement shot. Think "Headless Horseman." This is a fast paced tutorial design for advances users of mocha and After Effects.
Mask Tracking and Color Grading in Adobe CC 2014
In this episode of Red Giant TV, director Stu Maschwitz will show you how to use Creative cloud 2014's mask tracking tools to color grade with Colorista II and Magic Bullet Looks 2.5.
In Depth: Skin Retouching and Digital Makeup, Part 1
Do you need to make some small fixes to the skin of your actor, like fixing a blemish or blotchiness? Here's part 1 of a 2 part series on Skin Retouching and Digital Makeup to get you started!
3D CAMERATRACKER Plug-in Tutorial by The Pixel Lab
Joren from The Pixel Lab shows the workflow of working with footage tracked with The Foundry's CAMERATRACKER in After Effects and then bringing that footage into MAXON CINEMA 4D.
MochaImport+ for NUKE in depth tutorial
Mathias Möhl of Mamoworld has a tutorial to get you up to speed fast in MochaImport+ for Nuke.
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- Corner Pin+ w. Lens Dist. (at 0:30)
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Ran Ben Avraham shows us how to create a Lizard Man transformation in After Effects with FreeForm Pro. Ran motion tracks a sequence and then he uses FreeForm Pro to wrap the texture of his choice around the actors face in 3D.
In Part 2 you will learn how to 2D track different parts of the face in Mocha. You'll apply that info to the texture that has been created.
Create a Lizard Man in After Effects Pt. 1
Ran Ben Avraham walks you through turning a human man into a Lizard Man with After Effects and Mettle FreeForm Pro. He motion tracks his footage and wraps the serpentine texture around the actors head with FreeForm Pro.
Create a Fight Club / IKEA label effect and animated text tracked to backgrounds in FCP X
By Iain Anderson - CoreMelt TrackX powered by Mocha is a powerful tool to enable FCP X editors to easily track and insert graphics and layers. Just draw a shape around the object you want to track and the Academy Award winning Mocha tracking engine will lock on and allow you to track text, do screen replacements, replace signs and more.
In this tutorial we teach you how to track text labels to background motion or to a moving foreground object using TrackX power by Mocha in FCP X
Tracking Motion in FCPX Using TrackX by CoreMelt
Training session for TrackX powered by mocha - a motion tracking plug-in for Final Cut Pro X editors, featuring VFX artist Roger Bolton of CoreMelt.com.
Driving Plates Composite in Premiere Pro
Artbeats and Eran Stern bring you a tutorial showing how to key and composite greenscreen driving plates with scenery in Premiere Pro using Ultra Key and a Track Matte Key.
CoreMelt TrackX for FCPX - Adding Steam, Sparkles or Flares to tracked motion inside FCP X
Adding Steam, Sparkles or Flares to tracked motion inside FCP X - CoreMelt TrackX powered by Mocha is a powerful tool to enable FCP X editors to easily track and insert graphics and layers. Just draw a shape around the object you want to track and the Academy Award winning Mocha tracking engine will lock on and allow you to track text, do screen replacements, replace signs and more.
In this tutorial we show you how to add steam to a moving coffee cup, add sparkles to a magic wand and track flares to a moving eye.
Track and Replace a Mobile Phone Screen in mocha!
Imagineer has a new tutorial up that covers tracking an iPhone screen. Mary Poplin gives detailed instructions on the process both in video form and in words, so you can go at your own pace.
Simulate a Basic Dilating Iris in Adobe After Effects
Post by Joshua Lester at AEtuts+: "This Quick Tip will show how to manipulate footage of an eye to create the illusion that the Iris or Pupil is dilating. Using the Bulge Effect and simple motion tracking, the final product is quick and demonstrates how to use these simple tools."
mocha Pro Tutorial: 3D Camera Solver and Nuke Pt. 2
Imagineer Product Manager, Martin Brennand created this 2 part series demonstrating how mocha Pro's 3D Camera Solve can be used to for 3D tracking to compliment the Nuke workflow.
mocha Pro Tutorial: 3D Camera Solver and Nuke Pt. 1
Imagineer Product Manager, Martin Brennand created this 2 part series demonstrating how mocha Pro's 3D Camera Solve can be used to for 3D tracking to compliment the Nuke workflow.
Studying 3D Camera Tracker - After Effects CS6
Tutorial by Maltaanon. This is a follow-up to the introduction to 3D Camera Tracker tutorial by Maltaanon. Learn the do's and don't's of the match-moving process in After Effects CS6.
Using Mocha Camera Solver for Shots that are Difficult to Solve with Point Tracking
Imagineer systems Product Manager Martin Brennand takes you through using the mocha Camera Solver for a shot that is difficult to solve with point tracking.
After Effects CS6 3D Camera Tracker
An overview/tutorial of the new 3D camera tracker in Adobe After Effects CS6 by Matt's Macintosh channel on YouTube. Good stuff.
Fantastic Facial Motion Capture in After Effects
Post by Matthew Perks/ AEtuts+. Use puppet pins tracked to motion data from dots on a face to animate a face or other objects in your scene.
Imagineer mocha v3 Camera Solving for Moving Objects + Tracking Difficult Shots with mocha Pro
Product Manager Martin Brennand takes you through how to use the camera solver to get the 3D data of a moving planar object. Also covers unlink tracking, 3D export to After Effects and attaching 3D particles from Trapcode Particular.
With a camera solve you are normally solving from static areas in the scene (Walls, floors, rocks, etc), but when you want to capture anything moving, a little extra work is needed.
Graffiti Comes to Life in After Effects
Post by Mathias Möhl/ Mamoworld: "In this tutorial you learn how to turn a graffiti painting on a wall into a living person. This effect is inspired by the Brush With Death clip."
After Effects CS6 – 3D Camera Tracking Tutorial
Maltaannon presents the new 3D Camera Tracker in After Effects CS6, a new feature to CS6.
How to Create a Security Sweeper effect in After Effects
RedGiantTv's Seth Worley shows you how to create this cool looking Sweeper Effect (Inspired by Ridley Scott's new film Prometheus) in After Effects using Foundry's Camera Tracker, Trapcode Particular and other techniques.
Mid-Air Emergency in After Effects by Video Copilot
Post by Andrew Kramer/ Video Copilot: "In this new tutorial we'll composite the interior of an airplane as the wing bursts into flames. We'll cover green screen keying, 3D tracking with Camera Tracker, particles and compositing live action elements. I've also included a dropping Oxygen mask in the project file for people that want to add an extra layer!"
3D Set Extensions with Trapcode Particular and The Foundry CameraTracker
Create a 3D set extension with fog using Stock Footage. Use Camera Tracker to matchmove inside of AE.
After Effects, Cinema 4D, and The Foundry CameraTracker Workflow Tutorial
Post by Joren at The Pixel Lab. "In this supersized tutorial series, I'm going to go over the workflow to complete a 3D track using the new Foundry Camera Tracker in After Effects. In this first part we will go over the After Effects side of things. In the next tutorial we will head over into Cinema 4D where we will add 3D objects using the 3D track data! This is an amazing workflow, made possible by the Foundry Camera Tracker and the new Maxon Cinema4D Export plugin for After Effects."
"Dominoes" CameraTracker and Cinema 4d Tutorial – Part 1 & 2
Learn about using the Foundry Camera Tracker with Maxon Cinema 4D. Tutorial by AETuts+by Alexander Lehnert.
Tracking an object that goes off screen in After Effects
Posted by Kert Gartner at VFX Haiku. "In this tutorial, we take a look at how to track an object that goes off screen with Adobe After Effects."
How To Track Footage That Is Out Of Focus
Posted by Stefan Surmabojov on AEtuts+: "How to work with footage that is out of focus making if difficult to track. After we track it we are going to attach the camera interface elements and fake some depth of field to create the illusion that they are floating in space and shift in and out of focus like the rest of the scene."
Color grading and finishing in Premiere Pro CS5.5
Speed up your color grading and finishing! This video tutorial teaches how to do primary, secondary and some pretty advanced color correction in Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.5. You'll learn how to create masks for color correction inside of Premiere Pro, and to tweak parts of the image without affecting others. You'll learn how to use Jarle's Grading Tools (a collection of useful presets) to speed up your own color grading workflow.
Also covered are some common finishing techniques like how to fix moiré, blown-out highlights, blue sky fix, sharpening, letterboxing, noise reduction, stabilizing and scaling/crop.
Harry Potter style priori incantatem VFX - Part 2- FxHome HitFilm
Create the energy beam for a Harry Potter-style magic fight using HitFilm Ultimate.
2D To 3D Stereo Conversion With Mocha Pro & FreeForm Pro
In this tutorial, Martin Brennand, the senior product specialist from Imagineer Systems shows how to convert 2D film to stereoscopic 3D. Mocha Pro is used for the roto and clean plating, Freeform Pro is used for the extrusion and a useful script breaks down the masks into luminance depth graded by layer order.
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The Vikings suffered the most-heartbreaking victory in franchise history on Saturday. The events in Washington created the following scenario for 2012:
*Running back Adrian Peterson tore up his left knee and will undergo reconstructive surgery. We are certain to hear this spring and summer of the phenomenal progress that Peterson is making in his rehabilitation, because that is the way teams - and particularly football teams - always frame it when an important player is trying to come back.
In truth, it's very likely that Peterson will miss the first several weeks of the 2012 season, and when he comes back, those cuts that he makes to go with his power and speed may not be as dynamic.
*The victory almost guarantees that the Vikings will pick no higher than third in the April draft. It would take St. Louis beating San Francisco next weekend for the Vikes to select second - and it's not going to happen with that Rams offense.
What that means is Andrew Luck, the Stanford quarterback, and Matt Kalil, the left tackle from Southern Cal, will not be available when the Vikings draft. They would still wind up with a great player - LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne - selecting third, but Luck is a franchise changer and Kalil would fill the greatest need on this ultra-flawed team.
There's also a very good chance that the Vikings will beat Chicago in the season finale next Sunday at the Metrodome. The Bears have turned to dead men walking since the loss of quarterback Jay Cutler. The Vikings have found some temporary pizzazz at the position with Joe Webb.
A Vikings' victory could drop them to sixth in the draft, if Jacksonville, Tampa Bay and Cleveland all stay at four wins by losing next Sunday.
Jacksonville will be hosting Indianapolis. A Colts' victory would give St. Louis with the No. 1 pick - and the Rams don't figure to take Luck, not with the huge investment they have in quarterback Sam Bradford.
That would put the No. 1 pick and Luck on the market, but it won't have an impact on the Vikings. They will either pick third (Clayborn), or 4-5-6 and perhaps wind up with Justin Blackmon, the dynamic receiver from Oklahoma State.
The Vikings are going to get a very helpful player, but not Luck or Kalil.
*Sunday's victory also provides a guarantee that Leslie Frazier returns for his second full season as the head coach. I don't feel like that's a good thing. I don't think he's a head coach. I think you require more fire to run an NFL team.
It's already clear, from the reporting of 1500ESPN.com's Tom Pelissero a while back, that the Vikings will shake up the defensive staff - starting with the dismissal of Fred Pagac as coordinator.
This might serve a purpose, unless Frazier is allowed to promote his pal, Mike Singletary, from linebackers coach to coordinator. Those who play great don't necessarily coach well, and many observers put Singletary in that category.
It's not a coincidence that the 49ers were expected to be NFC West contenders in 2010 and had a horrendous season with Singletary, and that Jim Harbaugh has come in and promptly turned the 49ers into the team the Packers would least like to face in an NFC title game in Lambeau Field.
I'm guessing there would be enough resistance at Winter Park to Singletary as defensive coordinator for Zygi Wilf not to allow it, but if it were to happen, better health and some additions through the draft aren't likely to be enough to fix this train wreck of a defense.
Until Peterson's knee injury came along, probably the worst thing to happen to the Vikings during the six-game losing streak (preceding Sunday's game) was the decline in the play of rookie quarterback Christian Ponder.
He has gone from the high promise shown in his first two starts - a narrow Green Bay loss in the Dome and a victory at Carolina - to a giant question mark.
His ongoing decline in play has taken Ponder from the future of the franchise to a guy who will be required to beat out Webb (Minnesota's version of Tim Tebow) in training camp and exhibitions to hold the position.
Everything considered, including the fall in the draft, the 2012 Vikings will be wisely projected to finish fourth (last) in the NFC North for a third straight season.


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Olympic Games Go Mobile: United Kingdom vs. United States
With the Olympic Games underway in London, consumers around the world are avidly following this major event though a variety of media and devices. The U.S. IAB's Mobile Marketing Center of Excellence, IAB UK, and Mojiva partnered to shed some light on how mobile fits into this picture. A brief survey of American and British mobile consumers reached by Mojiva's ad network regarding their plans for the mobile summer Olympics. The results paint a picture of two countries that are similar in terms of mobile adoption and usage, but different in terms of Olympic interests and priorities. Read more.
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Advancing Mobile Marketing
On July 16, in the heart of New York City, mobile marketing thought leaders, industry participants, and enthusiasts, gathered for the 4th annual IAB Mobile Marketplace themed "Making Sense of the New First Screen—Reach, Engage, Measure, Monetize." Presenters and attendees delved in to a wide spectrum of mobile topics, including mobile's critical need to be "a part of" rather than "apart from" the larger digital advertising ecosystem, innovative advertising opportunities at live events and in games, a call for evolution in the planning and buying process to support mobile's distinct capabilities, and supply and demand issues facing the wireless spectrum. The education attendees gained is surely coming to life as competitive advantages in offices around the country. For a full recap and videos, click here.
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IAB Reveals Tablets & Smartphones Generate Strong Ad Engagement
Illuminating the different ways that smartphones and tablets are changing consumer behavior, IAB and its Mobile Marketing Center of Excellence released "Mobile's Role in the Consumer's Media Day," an in-depth report that reveals how consumers' receptiveness to advertising varies by device, time of day, and location. One key discovery: There is a strong degree of ad interaction among tablet users, with nearly half (47%) saying that they engage with ads on that device more than once a week.
Business Insider Names IAB's Anna Bager one of the 20 Most Important Women in Mobile Advertising
Business Insider honored Anna Bager, VP and General Manager, IAB Mobile Marketing Center of Excellence, citing her influential position at IAB, her relationships with other leaders in mobile advertising, and for hiring the industry's "first-ever lobbyist in Washington devoted solely to mobile advertising." See the full list of honorees.
Making Measurement Make Sense—Time to Get Up to Speed
On July 25, Sherrill Mane of IAB, Duke Fanelli of ANA, and Mike Donahue of 4A's, with guests David Gunzerath of the Media Rating Council and John Frelinghuysen of Bain & Company, hosted a webinar to update the community on this major, cross-industry initiative that will change the way digital media is bought and sold. The webinar—relevant to marketers, agencies, and publishers—is available on the new digital home of the Making Measurement Make Sense initiative, here.
IAB Digital Advertising Wiki: Check It Out
Because our industry's jargon and processes are unique, the IAB has created a centralized spot where marketers, agencies, and interactive publishers can collaboratively populate a database of information on interactive advertising. Ultimately, this space serves as a reference to both industry veterans and newcomers alike. Please feel free to submit new entries as well as update existing ones at www.iab.net/wiki.
IAB Agency Advisory Board Got Immersed in Silicon Valley
On July 9-11, the IAB facilitated a historic, in-person sharing of ideas between senior executives from Madison Avenue and Silicon Valley. Michael Lebowitz, Founder and CEO of Big Spaceship and Chair of the IAB Agency Advisory Board led the select group with Randall Rothenberg, IAB President and CEO, and David Doty, Executive Vice President and CMO, to intimate, informative, and inspirational interactions with thought leaders at Twitter, Facebook, Kleiner Perkins Caufield Byers, and Stanford University.
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More and more people are talking about Making Measurement Make Sense. Mike Donahue of the 4A's, Duke Fanelli of the ANA, and Sherrill Mane of IAB address inaccuracies they've heard in the conversations.
Watch and Learn: Gaining Mobile Marketing Inspiration and Instruction at Cannes Lions
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They sound perfect. ^^
I'll wait to get them until after I move up to Washington. I would hate to move with a bunch of fry. To risky.
Might start getting shells though. Wonderful thing about Washington, all I need to do is go down to the beach. Would I need to do anything with the shells before introducing them into a tank? Cause I was thinking they'd be neat to put into my betta tanks too.
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Posted 28 November 2009 - 03:25 AM
I would give them a boiling to kill any nasties living on then.
watch them in your betta tank as they will raise your Ph and harden the water.
watch them in your betta tank as they will raise your Ph and harden the water.
Posted 28 November 2009 - 12:23 PM
Ah, probably not the best choice since I have troubles getting it to normal levels. I'd probably have to add more IAL.
Posted 28 November 2009 - 01:18 PM
I would just keep them for the shellies
Posted 28 November 2009 - 11:52 PM
Sounds good to me. ^^ I'm all excited to eventually get some shellies. Give me a year and I'll have them. >.>
Posted 29 November 2009 - 05:40 AM
cool, look forward to hearing how they go when you get them
Posted 29 November 2009 - 09:44 PM
I'll make sure to post about it!!
Posted 30 November 2009 - 01:51 AM
cool, thanks
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|April 22, 2010
The Path Forward: An LGBT Leadership Town Hall.
With all the uncertainly about getting a passing vote in the House and Senate on the Employment Non-Discrimination Act — which has been put off since last summer — and the signals that the White House doesn't want a vote on repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell this year, we're going to put the tough questions to Beltway LGBT leaders and some of the critics of their approach and of the White House and Congress, and open it up to discussion across the country in a panel discussion that I will moderate.
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