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Written by Alex Howerton
on Saturday, 08 February 2014.
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In Chapter 3, "An Overview of the Spaceflight Experience," White discusses metaphor as a method used by the astronauts to attempt to explain their spaceflight experiences. Launching from the ideas of Julian Jaynes in his book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, White concludes that "one result of space exploration is that language will grow as spaceflight is described more frequently."
White is spot on here. Metaphor is powerful. It is a way for the human mind to strive to express something that cannot be grasped directly, either by the speaker or the listener. In essence, it creates reality by indicating a relationship that was hitherto unrecognized, or even existent. Spaceflight, for example, is a raw experience, but what does it mean? Like all life experiences, it does not have one meaning for all time, but changes in context over time and with different astronauts. White makes the point that "memory of it [the spaceflight experience] acts as a time-release capsule, emitting feelings, insights, thoughts, and ideas over the years after it has occurred."
White then goes on to describe the active legend-building that orbited the early astronauts. "Societies need heroes who are specially selected to undergo hardship and danger on the frontiers of civilization. Space is today's frontier, and the astronauts and cosmonauts have become today's heroes, people who have extraordinary experiences unknown to others in the society, doing something that requires uncommon bravery."
Deeds are the germ of legend, and legend is the fount of myth. And metaphor is the language of myth. We moderns hear ancient myths, and instantly think "how preposterous," or "how quaint." We have even morphed the word "myth" to be synonymous, in some contexts, with "lie". We constantly feel the need to debunk or bust myths, as if they are some insidious plague of which we must rid ourselves. But that is because we are losing our sense of metaphor, and what it is trying to do in helping shape our reality, and give it meaning.
While we are eschewing myth in one sphere, we are actively building it in another. The early astronauts were indeed our heroes, the strong-willed warriors with "The Right Stuff" who would battle the Cold War by proxy. Even the very name "astronaut" is an evocative metaphor – "sailor of the stars."
But the context of myth changes over time, and the metaphor which once served so well has now fallen into disrepute. Those noble heroes of that bygone era, the "Space Age," are now one more relic of the Military Industrial Complex. We don't need fighter pilots in space anymore – the nature of conflict has changed, and the anticipated space war is probably not going to happen any time soon. We have even gone so far in our popular culture as to parody that "right stuff" mythos in movies like Armageddon and Space Cowboys. Many view the early space program as a dead end, and now say things like "Why go to space until we solve all our problems here on Earth first? The space program is just an elitist escapist fantasy that can do nothing to help the planet."
But that is the result of our modern myth-busting proclivities. Just because the cultural terrain has shifted does not diminish the accomplishments or worth of those early space explorers, those heroes. The valuable and worthy activity now is to actively engage with our space explorers, to interact with them to reach for new, fresh metaphors that transform our understanding of space from something to conquer to viewing it more as an extension of our environment, which is precisely what it is. The role of the space explorers has transformed from conquering heroes to dedicated, focused achievers of missions, precisely the same shift in dynamics we have seen in many frontier contexts. This in no way diminishes the stature of the early space pioneers, but rather places them in the mythic context of blazing the trail and making it possible for more of us to go, when the opportunities present themselves.
White then goes on to ask whether spaceflight is a spiritual experience. "Spiritual" is now one of those loaded words in our culture, along with "religion" and God" that mean something different to just about everybody who uses them, and are subject to our myth-busting propensities. But space exploration definitely does have an effect on humans that take us beyond our normal context. The renowned mythologist Joseph Campbell discussed the transformative power of metaphor to reach for deeper insights in his book The Flight of the Wild Gander. He tells us that the philosopher Immanuel Kant "offers a four-term analogy ("a" is to "b" as "c" is to "x"), which points not to an incomplete resemblance of two things but to a complete resemblance of two relationships between quite dissimilar things…. Mythological, theological, metaphysical analogies, in other words, do not point indirectly to an only partially understood knowable term, but directly to a relationship between to terms, the one empirical, the other metaphysical; the latter being, absolutely and forever and from every conceivable human standpoint, unknowable."
Space is that inconceivable unknowable metaphysical condition, that astronauts have experienced directly, albeit from their limited human perspectives, and are continually reaching to find the right metaphors, the right Kantian relationship, to express to the rest of us, to give us a sense, as White points out, of what is was like. That metaphysical reality can never be fully apprehended or understood by even those who experienced it. The astronauts need us as much as we need them, so we can mutually push our communal language to find new metaphors, new ways to understand and communicate that ultimately ineffable experience.
That experience definitely has a spiritual quality to it, in that it compels all of us, the astronauts and the ground observers, to reach beyond ordinarily-experienced reality to a metaphysical sense of participating in something greater than ourselves. As White points out, for some astronauts, that translated into achieving the goals of the mission to the best of their ability, with no attention paid to what is commonly considered "spiritual." Yet the challenge of the experience called to the fore that response from those individuals which would otherwise not have come to fruition. Space calls out the best in us, and it is our constant challenge to grapple with the shortcomings of our language to strive to create new metaphors which can lead us to a greater sense of context, meaning and myth, as we struggle to understand our place in the universe.
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Written by Alex Howerton
on Wednesday, 10 October 2012.
In the first chapters of The Overview Effect, Frank White challenges us earthbound fish to jump out of our habitual perspective. That is the analogy he uses, along the lines of classic explanation of 4 dimensions to us by imagining a 2-dimensional creature encountering a 3-dimensional world. A fish flopping onto land, if he could survive it, would have a hard time comprehending what he was experiencing, and even harder time communicating that experience to other fishes once he reentered the water.
White does not push the analogy further, but I will. At the very least, the other fish might call the transformative fish crazy. No one likes their worldview challenged. At worst, they might crucify him or martyr him in some other way. Throughout history, humans have proven that they are more likely to solve their cognitive dissonance by denying or repudiating new factual evidence than doing the hard, often painful work of modifying their worldview to accommodate a new reality. Exhibits: Socrates. Jesus. Hypatia of Alexandria. Giordano Bruno. Galileo. Darwin. Climate change scientists. I think you get my point.
But over time, that which was once highly controversial becomes accepted. No one seriously disputes anymore, for example, that the Earth revolves around the Sun, or that the solar system is located in an obscure arm of the Milky Way Galaxy. Nothing of the physical layout of the universe has changed. But a very fundamental change has happened in the universe – our perception of it. Even more important than that is our ability to communicate that change with each other, to share the experience of change. As White says, "A shared context is critical for real communication to take place, because without it, what is meaningful to one person may be nonsense to another."
We fish are currently struggling to maintain our worldviews in the face of an onslaught of new information and stimuli. The normal human reaction is to dig in and double down. "I'm right, and so by definition everybody else who disagrees is wrong." We have seen the results of what that type of thinking leads to (Americans are no less culpable in this regard).
What is needed to break the logjam is the new physical perspective that the Overview Effect offers. Such a jarring "fish out of water" experience may be too much for some to handle, and we have to be prepared for that. But for most of us, I suspect, it would be a positively transformative experience, one that would take many years, if not a lifetime, to assimilate and express in new cultural forms.
Even the way we experience transformation may be transformed. It is common to hear statements like, "When I contemplate the immensity of the stars, the galaxies, the universe, I realize how insignificant I am." If that is true, why then do you not feel correspondingly omnipotent when contemplating cells, molecules, atoms, and quarks? Often such contemplation leads to a similar feeling of insignificance. Why? Because those scales are out of our control, outside of our carefully constructed worldview. But consider this – who is doing the contemplating? How is it that a mass of biomatter can come to perceive scales from quasars to quarks, and have some measure of control over it, at least locally? That is amazing all by itself. We are a legitimate part of the universe, and belong in it, and we have to understand things on a human scale.
One of the beauties of the Overview Effect is that it can broaden that "human scale" to encompass so much more, so we are not shocked into insignificance or incapacity when faced with realities far beyond our current comprehension. We fishes can help each other to comprehend this majestic, magnificent universe we find ourselves in, and strive to become more than fishes, without ever losing our essential "fishness."
White says, "Our 'worldview' as a conceptual framework depends quite literally on our view of the world from a physical place in the universe." We will always be human. We will always be constrained by the physical limitations that that implies. But that does not mean that what we think are our limitations now are the actual limitations. We will never discover those limits unless we push the boundaries, then communicate with each other, rationally, artistically or otherwise, the new parameters of what it means to be human. That is the gift that the Overview Effect can give all of us.
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Written by Alex Howerton
on Monday, 17 September 2012.
Posted in Overview Effect
Adapted from the book Free Space — Real Alternatives for Reaching Outer Space, Loompanics, 1995
Space exploration and development is exciting! It is easy to become absorbed in the details, the discoveries, the adventure, and forget why we began sucha quest in the first place. If we are ever to reach space as a civilization, it is imperative to understand the minutiae, the nuts and bolts of how it is done. It is, however, no less important to examine why we want to go, what we intend to accomplish, what our hopes and dreams are upon achieving our goals.
I embarked on my quest toward a a spacefaring civilization to fulfill a personal vision. I have, from my earliest memories, loved the idea of space. I have always marveled at science fiction, and in eighth-grade science class, where I was racking up a solid C average, I achieved A pluses for the two weeks we concentrated on space.
As I grew into adulthood, other interests absorbed me, and space studies slid to the back burner. Then, in 1983, I participated in a seminar entitled "2013: the World 30 Years from Now." The task on the first day of the seminar was to envision the state of the world in that future time. On the second day, we had to figure out how to bring it about.
With a fellow attendee I was assigned to go into a darkened room, close my eyes, and relate my vision of the future. Upon shutting my eyes, a fully-articulated vision leapt into my imagination. I saw a re-greened Earth, dedicated to agriculture and environmental parks. There were perhaps six large cities on the whole planet, mainly distribution and collection centers for the solar system's economy. The cities were built downward, into the Earth, with no eye-jarring artificial structures to assail the senses. Ground transportation was achieved by means of magnetic strips between destinations. Vehicles were encoded with their destinations, much like bar-coding, then glided along the steps at tremendous speeds. Since every vehicle was locked onto the strips and traveling at uniform speed, there were no accidents. Power was provided by clean-burning hydrogen fusion and solar power satellites.
My mind then flew to the Moon. It was one massive industrial park. Every conceivable industry was represented and allowed to prosper in a free and open market. The goods and services produced there were shipped all over the solar system. The Moon's far side was reserved for pure science and astronomy.
I saw great ships plying the pathways of the solar system, visiting the colonies of Mars and beyond, bringing back valuable resources from the nether regions, enriching everyone. Beautiful pleasure yachts powered by solar sail gracefully wandered about the spatial sea. Huge free-floating space resorts supplied every kind of diversion, from flying under one's own power, to all kinds of space sports, to discreetly-appointed zero-g love nests.
The outer worlds of Europa, Titan, and others were being explored for organic matter and even life, while tiny robots of nano-technological origin set about terraforming the worlds where no life previously existed, yet which would be useful to humanity.
A great power generator was in full operation around stately Jupiter, producing energy from Io's interaction with the great planet's magnetosphere. Automated probes with the most advanced hydrogen-scoop and antimatter engines were forging their way to the nearest stellar neighbors to initiate a first reconnaissance. The whole neighborhood of the Sun was bustling and thriving with human activity.
I had not heard of the Overview Effect when I experienced that vision — indeed, Frank had not yet written the book. But in retrospect, I did have a proto "Overview Effect" moment at that seminar. That is why, once I finally read the book, the idea resonated so deeply within me.
The Overview Effect is the unifying principle which gives a sense of unity and purpose to our current seemingly chaotic cultural state. Just as in Chaos Theory, order seems to break down at an increasing rate, until a strange attractor enters the picture, and a new dynamic equilibrium is achieved. The idea of the Overview Effect is just such a strange attractor.
The current news about SpaceX's successful resupply mission to the International Space Station and the announcement by Planetary Resources of the intention to mine an asteroid may seem to most people to have come out of the blue, but these ideas have been percolating for many years, even decades, and are now emerging, just when they apparently seem to be needed the most.
We are witnessing and participating in the birth of cosmic consciousness, not just as an abstract idea, but as a practical program of action, an alternative to the standard methods of global problem-solving. This is the true power of the Overview Effect, and I am proud that my vision of three decades ago has now found a home with the Overview Institute.
Written by Mike Simmons
on Friday, 06 July 2012.
Posted in Overview Effect
Astronomers Without Borders, an organization I founded in 2007, is based on a simple truth – when we look up at the sky, no matter where we are, we know others are doing the same thing from other countries around the world. At similar latitudes the sky is identical regardless of where you are. And we all share the same wonder of the starry night sky, the planets and the entire Universe beyond. That wonder is part of the traditions of every culture, passed down through time. It will certainly be a part of our future as well.
But there's more to it than the beauty of the Milky Way's thousands of stars seen from a dark location. When we look up we're looking outward, into our cosmic neighborhood. With a telescope we see even further into the cosmic hinterlands. For adventurers who long to see what lies on the other side of every hill, the Universe offers unlimited mysteries.
The Universe – all that you see when you look up at the stars – is where we live. The Earth is one small part of it. If you've ever wanted to travel in space, just drive to a dark location, look up and take a look around. You're there, orbiting around our galaxy along with the rest of the inhabitants of Spaceship Earth.
The World at Night is a great demonstration of how we all share that magnificent view of the night sky. The team of expert landscape astrophotographers assembled by project founder Babak Tafreshi has imaged the night sky from locations worldwide, showing a blanket of stars above historic, cultural and natural landmarks with stunning results. Whether it's a church, mosque, or synagogue in the earthly foreground, the sky above is the same. We can change details of the orb we live on but the rest of the Universe hovers beyond our reach, untouched, practically unchanging.
This is the idea behind Astronomers Without Borders and the source of our slogan, One People, One Sky. The earthly view of the heavens is also strikingly similar to what some astronauts experience from their perch in orbit. Frank White coined the term, "The Overview Effect," in his book of the same name to describe the sensation astronauts often experience seeing the Earth hanging in space among the stars and other planets, without any apparent borders between us. I've told Frank I consider our view of the night sky to be the overview effect for the rest of us – those of us who will never travel out of Earth's atmosphere – and he agrees. When we connect with someone in a distant land, far beyond our horizon, and they're seeing the same sky we do (offset by time as the Earth rotates), the sensation of One People, One Sky is reinforced. The overview effect may not be as easy to visualize as from space – or as fun as being weightless – but it's there just the same.
Astronaut Nicole Stott, who has spent more than 100 days in space as a NASA astronaut, has a similar view from a space travelers perspective. In a recent blog post on Fragile Oasis titled "The Overview Effect: I Think It Works Both Ways", Nicole said, "As I have watched over these past months, with my feet firmly planted on the ground, as my friends passed above me on this shiny point of light crossing the night sky, it occurred to me that this idea of an Overview Effect might just work both ways – not only for those looking in amazement, appreciation and awe at our planet; but also for those looking up to the sky at the wonders orbiting us there. It seems that both perspectives remind us of the fragile nature of where we live – Earth with its thin blue atmosphere and ISS with its thin silver hull – both protecting their humans from the harsh vacuum of space; both reminding us that wherever humanity chooses to 'reside', we are obligated to take care of that place – our home." Her solitary view engendered thoughts of our common heritage on Earth and the need to protect it together – "I" became "we."
I started Astronomers Without Borders after visiting countries like Iran and Iraq, and meeting people who are far more like us than they are different. They have the same needs, wishes and problems as anyone else. I've given many presentations on astronomy in those countries to astronomy clubs in the US, and the focus inevitably turns to the difficulties others have in pursuing our common activities. Equipment we take for granted is difficult or impossible to acquire in many countries. Dark skies are out of reach without transportation. The result is sympathy for the situation of our colleagues and a desire to help. There's nothing political about it – it's nature, our common heritage. And it's there for everyone, an unlimited resource. Why shouldn't we all share in it equally? The political and other issues that seem so important most of the time just become irrelevant, at least for that moment. This is purely people to people interaction of the most basic sort.
Astronomers Without Borders now has participants in most of the world's countries, with global programs that bring people together as never before. All based on our living on one planet, looking up at the same sky. An American amateur astronomer with the latest computerized gear and a student in a poor country may have different activities during the night but in the end they're there for the same reason. And they say remarkably similar things about the wonders of the night sky. After all, we're all looking out from the same place – Earth – and traveling together through the stars.
Written by David Beaver
on Tuesday, 26 June 2012.
Posted in Overview Effect, Space Tourism
Amazing NewSpace Events Get Brief Media and a "Yawn"
The recent milestone accomplishment of a delivery of cargo to the International Space Station by Elon Musk's SpaceX was, in the eyes of the space community, a Game Changer. Because it was the first U.S. launched delivery to the ISS since the end of the Shuttle program and the first by a private space company, it was widely covered by the national media.
Within a week however, this landmark event, which a number of space leaders suggested may be seen by history as the beginning of a Second Space Age, was submerged in the usual mix of media. Even its place as the leading space story was quickly overtaken by the Transit of Venus.
In my last post, commenting on the Planetary Resources press conference that announced their plan to Mine the Asteroids (remember that?), I focused on the curious disconnect between the scale and scope of their Mission (heavy team credentials, deep pockets, space expertise and huge upside) and the tepid and the even shorter-lived response from the mainstream media.
A few days later, Will Oremus at Slate.com had this to say:
"How did the tech world respond? It yawned, rolled over, and returned to its collective dream aboutthe next hot social-media startup. My message to the tech world: Wake up! This is outer space we're talking about! This is awesome!"
A Lack of "Space Awareness"
From the lack of enthusiasm for the incredible vision of the Planetary Resources announcement (perhaps because it seemed in-credible) to the apparent failure to grasp the implications of the historic accomplishment of SpaceX, we are witnessing the hugely diminished space-awareness of our present culture, an awareness that began to fade immediately following the abrupt end of the Apollo Program.
While the SpaceX story gained more and longer coverage, there was clearly no cultural grasp of the unique significance of these accomplishments and plans, let alone the vision behind it, which is rapidly moving us toward a new and far more robust Space Age than even the remarkable accomplishments of Apollo.
The public, distracted by numerous current issues and interests will be hard to move out of its prevalent perception that space "belongs" to Science and national government programs.
It's entirely likely that cautious and technically sophisticated NewSpace companies, headed by experienced entrepreneurs will undoubtedly make sustained, profitable progress. But lacking Apollo Era space awareness by the public, Congress, and Wall Street, the explosive growth of a new Space Age that space leaders and enthusiasts envision may not happen nearly as rapidly as they imagine. Because, apparently, in space companies, "no one can hear you yawn."
The Historic Roots of our Current Lack of Space Awareness
Apollo originally included three more moon landings and the follow-on development of a compact space plane to carry astronauts to orbit (the "X-Plane" Program) allowing the massive Saturn 5 or subsequent heavy lifter to carry cargo. Combining the two in the Shuttle was thus a bad political/economic compromise between the smaller, an inherently safer space plane and an unmanned cargo lifter, a fact that the previous NASA Director admitted some years ago.
(It is ironic but not coincidental that all NewSpace orbital and suborbital crew vehicles are either reversions to the earlier capsule design or a jump to the astronaut-only space plane design, not seen in fully operational form since the legendary X-15 Program was canceled in 1968. Eight X-15 pilots actually received astronaut wings.)
With the Challenger disaster just five years into the Shuttle Program, the nearly three year wait till resumption of flights and the Moon Race over, the public's waning sense that NASA was birthing the Space Agewas quickly replaced as the world's premier technology icon by the rapidly advancing personal computer that birthed the Information Age.
Space Science Fiction in Decline
Not coincidentally, the mid-80's saw the shift in science fiction from space to the rise of the "Cyberpunk"Science Fiction genera with its computer/internet themes. The increasingly realistic and sophisticated space science fiction of the 1950's has long been cited by both cultural and NASA historians as a precursor to public acceptance of the reality of space travel.
By century's end, the new computer and Internet driven themes were ubiquitous in movies and TV, while only the iconic Star Trek franchise remained until 2005, when Star Trek Enterprise ended. Perhaps it's only serious analogue had been Babylon 5, which lasted five years and ended in 2000. From the 80's on Space SF was eclipsed by Cyberpunk and today both are outsold 3 to 1 by fantasy (i.e. Lord of the Rings, Twilight, etc.).
Between the historic loss of focus on the Space Program and the paucity of coverage of the NewSpace industry, reinforced by the lack of current space science fiction (especially any based on the near future plans of the NewSpace industry); there is now a profound lack of current public space awareness.
Instead, there is a default assumption of the primacy of computer-based technology and business. Indeed, unless you put a qualifier up front (i.e. drug, aerospace, solar, etc.) the frequent assumption when using the word "technology" today is that you are referring to Computer (or Internet) Technology.
Despite growing NewSpace achievements, while they will undoubtedly be cheered by the community of space enthusiasts, without the kind of cultural and media "groundwork" that seeded space awareness for the early U.S. Space Program, it is entirely likely that the tech community, and the computer/Internet culture it has created, will continue to "yawn".
The Agenda of the Overview Institute
The Overview Institute was created to research and focus attention on the World View shifting impact of space awareness. While, as I have previously written, this does highlight a "Third Case" for human space travel (in addition to Science/Exploration and Commercial Development) it is not specifically a polemic for space travel itself, but for the World View that it tends to engender.
The fact that such a World View already exists, and that pre-Space Age observers such as astronomer Fred Hoyleand even Socrates have predicted that such a perspective would tend to engender such a World View shift, supports the conclusion that space travel itself is not absolutely necessary to grasp the Overview Effect.
In fact, there are many such predictions of the positive value of adopting an "Overview" perspective of the Earth sprinkled through history from ancient to modern times. For a good summary of these historic observations see British Historian Robert Poole's enlightening book on the historic and modern impact of Earth images and visualizations, Earthrise.
However, this long history of such statements by prominent figures also support the conclusion that such a shift is difficult to create simply through words. On the other hand, the sudden and rapid World View shifts attributable to the astronaut's firsthand accounts and visual records indicates that space travel and its socially transmitted Overview Effect is an especially powerful driver for shifting World Views.
A Second Way of Communicating the Overview Effect
Parallel to the accelerating rise of space travel technology is the equally rapid increase in advanced simulation media technology, from increasingly high rez, high frame/rate projection systems to 3D, Virtual Reality and a host of related immersive media tools.
These new media technologies (enabled by the intervening Computer Revolution) allow art, entertainment and education creators to immerse audiences in experiences of unprecedented reality and presence, a sense of immersion and presence unavailable during the first Space Age.
This will allow the space perspective to be extended to hundreds of millions of citizens who will never see space themselves, extending and amplifying the World View shifting effect to the entire population. However, this also requires an appreciation for the need for such content.
The Role of the Overview Institute
There is one additional caveat. If these high-tech creations are based only on existing space images, which themselves have been limited by prior technologies and perspective, they are more likely to reinforce current marginalizing or misunderstanding of the Overview Effect, already widespread, even in the space community.
The Overview Institute therefore, is dedicated to bringing as clear and detailed account of the experiences of the astronauts and the coming wave of "Citizen Astronauts."
By building on first-hand accounts and supported by the best modern science of perception and the impact of media on the mind, these new space media experiences will produce previously unavailable levels of immersion in the World View-shifting experience of space travel.
Such new space media experiences, rooted in and validated by the firsthand accounts of space travelers, will communicate a powerful "taste" of the World View shifting nature of the Overview Effect, and produce far, far more than a "Yawn". Indeed, as both astronauts and eminent cultural observers have predicted, the Overview Effect of space will soon become one of the dominant forces in shaping our world in the coming decade and beyond.


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Discussion in 'Motorola Droid Bionic' started by NittanyLion4life, Aug 23, 2011.
Courtesy of Phandroid. Getting so close now!
Droid Bionic Boot Video Pops Up
Very cool. I liked what I saw in the demo. I want one now.
Yeah same here. Cant wait to mess around with one.
I watched the video on my slow as crap d1....so I can't tell..but did it look laggy? It could have just been the video on my phone over 3g.
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Wasn't laggy...
No, you saw right. I noticed a little lag too on an app press, hopefully just due to initial boot.
I am impressed. This is definitely my next phone. Hopefully by Oct the price will come down a little.
I want one nooooooooooooow!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm impressed.
i hope they let you disable that startup sound in the setting somwhere, other than having to wait for root to disable it..
holy crap that boot up was fast compared to my year old (optimized) droid X. That whole video was shorter than the time it would have took to get my app tray loaded.
Whoa new blur looks honeycombish!!!!!!!
I can't view the video on my crappy Windows Mobile phone. I wish I had a Droid Bionic so I could look at this video of the boot up animation
I really like that wallpaper!
Anyone know anything about it?
Is it exclusive to the Bionic?
It will probably be released with the system dump so just a couple more weeks.
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The consistency completely changed. It is literally like putting water under your eyes. The consistency is extremely thin and does absolutely nothing. Did not hydrate my eyes or improve my dark circles in the slightest.
Do not buy.
on 9/26/2014 3:20:00 AM
Age: 19-24
Skin: Combination, Olive, Not Sure
Hair: Brunette, Other, Other
Eyes: Brown
I'm kinda so-so about this product for a few reasons. #1: I don't really have much experience with eye creams, so I really have nothing to compare it to. #2: I'm 24, with a few smile lines around my eyes, but heck, even my 6 year old has those, so I guess I'm saying that as of RIGHT NOW, my need for this eye cream is minimal. And #3: The label says nothing about preventing eye wrinkles/lines, only reducing their appearance. I would like a proactive type cream, to beat fine lines to the finish line and take preventative measures before they happen. This isn't it.
About me: I'm 24, with oily/combo problem skin. Clear at the moment, but prone to cystic acne breakouts, and blackheads. Large pores on certain areas of my face. No wrinkles or fine lines that I can see on my face.
I have this cream in 2 forms: the pot/jar of the Royal Jelly version, and also a Sensitive Skin version w/ cotton extract that comes in a pen type applicator with a precision tip (much MUCH prefer this one just for the hygiene aspect.) this review is of course about the Royal Jelly version.
After using this cream nightly for about a week, I noticed that my eye area, which can get dry, was very soft and the skin in that general area very plump and full. Now, I use a moisturizer w/ benzoyl, so as to keep the cystic nasties away, but it tends to dry me out a tad on occasion. My opinion: I'd rather be dry skinned than have huge painful lumps under my skin so it's a good trade-off. But then sometimes the delicate tissue around my eyes gets dry, parched & almost irritated/red/raw/burn-y. Not good. So the royal jelly cream DID deliver on the moisturizing aspect. It did plump out my skin and made it appear smoother and felt softer. Other than making my eye area super soft, however, zilch. Don't expect miracles from this cream, else you'll be sorely disappointed. It's just alright. :))
on 8/21/2014 9:01:00 PM
Age: 25-29
Skin: Combination, Fair, Not Sure
Hair: Brunette, Other, Other
Eyes: Brown
I had high hopes for this tiny jar but evidently am disappointed. It keeps my under eyes moisturized but doesn't do anything else. It's pricey and would not buy again.
on 4/27/2014 12:40:00 AM
Age: 19-24
Skin: Combination, Fair, Cool
Hair: Red, Wavy, Medium
Eyes: Blue
Moisturizes (takes forever to absorb though, be prepared to wait a bit before continuing to put on your makeup), but does nothing for my dark circles. Doesn't do anything amazing enough for me to purchase again. At least it doesn't tug?
on 3/22/2014 10:37:00 PM
Age: 19-24
Skin: Combination, Fair, Not Sure
Hair: Other, Other, Other
Eyes: Brown
I'm on the fence ... I'm not sure. Im only in my mid 20s but have puffiness and dark circles. It's not helping those problems. But it is moisturizing, and doesn't tug like others have said. I love the smell and feel. No adverse affects on my sensitive acne prone skin (knock on wood). The packaging is small and not the most sanitary. For the price, I wouldnt buy again.
on 2/2/2014 4:13:00 AM
Age: 25-29
Skin: Sensitive, Fair-Medium, Warm
Hair: Brunette, Wavy, Medium
Eyes: Brown
I didn't notice anything wonderful about this eye cream. I will say its very moisturizing. A little too much for me. When I applied it I made the mistake of applying too much and had to take it off. If you are looking for something to just moisturize your undereyes this could be for you. I don't recommend using it before makeup application.
on 1/21/2014 9:07:00 PM
Age: 30-35
Skin: Combination, Olive, Warm
Hair: Brunette, Straight, Medium
Eyes: Brown
Did not like this at all. Greasy, yet drying with an unappealing texture. Takes forever to absorb. I also really dislike the smell.
- None
- Fragrance (no idea why they need to scent an eye cream really)
- dislike the jar packaging
- caused redness, irritation and itchy rash (possibly due to lanolin, or extracts)
I wouldn't recommend this to anyone.
on 1/20/2014 6:24:00 PM
Age: 30-35
Skin: Combination, Fair, Warm
Hair: Red, Straight, Medium
Eyes: Brown
Normally I'm a pretty big fan of Burt's Bees products. I have been using a trial sized tube of this for several weeks in an attempt to use up some of the products I have sitting around in the drawer. It feels nice around my eyes when I apply it and it seems gentle enough. I'm not really in love with the scent, though...something a little medicinal about it. It doesn't really do anything for dark circles but it does seem like it takes a little of the puffiness away. I've gotten quite a bit of use out of the little trial size, but for the price of the full sized product, I'm not sure it's worth the money to repurchase.
on 1/20/2014 4:07:00 PM
Age: 19-24
Skin: Combination, Fair, Not Sure
Hair: Brunette, Other, Other
Eyes: Brown
I've tried a bunch of eye creams. This one is okay for the price. I've been using it for about 3 months, and its only about a quarter gone. It's moisturizing enough, and has never made me break out even though I use it morning and evening. (I have combo/oily skin.)
Do I see a difference in my dark circles? Nope. But I didn't expect to, because my dark circles are hereditary and the only thing that takes care of those is a good concealer. (And even then they never disappear completely.)
I'm 24 but I have some teeny fine lines from sun exposure and from working at a computer all day. As far as I can tell there is no change in my fine lines, and they are extremely fine. If you have deep wrinkles skip this one!
Noticed no change in the puffiness of my eye area.
Just as a warning, it smells freakin weird you guys, I can't even describe it. The packaging is pretty lame, but functional.
Overall I say skip it, but if all you need is some moisture it's a decent cream for a good price.
on 6/25/2013 2:06:00 AM
Age: 25-29
Skin: Acne-prone, Fair, Not Sure
Hair: Brunette, Other, Other
Eyes: Green
I generally like Burt's Bees products (favorites include their Repair Serum, and the Intense Hydration Cream Cleanser & Day Lotion) but this product stings (and thus causes redness) the sensitive skin around my eyes. So that's my caution for curious buyers: if you tend to have thin, sensitive (and dry) skin around your eyes, you may find this product exacerbates those issues. I am still looking for a solid eye treatment.
If you've got thicker, stronger skin, here's what to expect: the consistency is interesting-- like a cross between a cream and a gel. You can definitely feel the jelly part of the royal jelly. I wanted to like the cream just for that one trait. It doesn't completely absorb, and for that reason I don't recommend using it under makeup. At the very least, you'll have to wait 15-20 mins before applying makeup because otherwise the cream balls up. I quite like the smell of the product: it's sort of musty, but in a comforting way. Packaging is terrible: it's a pot. I can't believe companies still package in pots-- especially with products that are intended to be applied around the eyes!
I didn't really notice any happy plumping, line-decreasing effects to counterbalance the irritation, and I wouldn't expect the product to really do much of that. To me-- again, if it works with your skin-- this is best understood as a moisturizing cream. If you get extra benefits from that, fantastic, but some people won't get more than a basic moisturizer.
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Topic Title: Young Woman Engineer of the Year award - end the gender discrimination
Topic Summary: Starting a campaign to abolish Young Woman Engineer of the Year or replace it with a non-discriminatory equivalent
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01 June 2012 12:05 AM
Why is it that I am barred from an IET prize for engineering achievement, purely because of my Y chromosome?
I find this offensive, sexist and discriminatory.
I asked three female colleagues what they thought of this award recently, and before I could even explain why I had asked their opinion, they condemned it as discriminatory and asked where the Young Male Engineer of the Year award was.
I believe that this prize (worth £1000 plus a great deal of publicity) has no place in an institution that prides itself on its inclusivity and diversity. We should not be sending a message that women need special help or assistance to enter engineering or stay in the industry. We should be sending the message that all people are welcome in the industry, as long as they can do the job. There's no reason why women should be any less capable than men, as long as they have the right skills and knowledge, so gender isn't an issue.
Would it be OK to have a Young Black Engineer of the Year award? How about a Young Transgender Engineer of the Year? Young Deaf Engineer of the Year? How far should we patronise those who are in some kind of minority before people realise it's ridiculous?
Engineers are supposed to be known for their common sense and pragmatism. We shouldn't care who our people are as long as they deliver the goods - and our recognition of excellence in the profession should reflect our open nature.
I call for this award to be abolished.
Dr Joe Silmon PhD MEng CEng MIET
Committee Member, Railway TPN
03 June 2012 05:32 PM
Why is there still a perception that without a Y chromosome you cannot be an engineer?
Having carried out a considerable amount of voluntary work (on behalf of the IET and others) to promote engineering as a career in schools and universities, it is very clear that there is still a huge perception that only men are "real" engineers. The worst case I came across recently was the female ex-engineer turned DT teacher who was faced with amazement from her class when she started leading them into the workshops: "but Miss: are you allowed in there?"
Everyone I meet working in education (male or female) gives me the same story: we need more publicity for role models to show aspiring students that women ARE capable of becoming first rate engineers, and to get over the "Men Don't Listen and Women Can't Read Maps" stereotypes.
I call for this award to be publicised for more widely.
Andy Millar CEng MIET CMgr MCMI
"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." Joseph Joubert
Edited: 03 June 2012 at 05:53 PM by amillar
03 June 2012 09:12 PM
Having carried out a considerable amount of voluntary work (on behalf of the IET and others) to promote engineering as a career in schools and universities, it is very clear that there is still a huge perception that only men are "real" engineers. The worst case I came across recently was the female ex-engineer turned DT teacher who was faced with amazement from her class when she started leading them into the workshops: "but Miss: are you allowed in there?"
Well if a question like that is the 'worst case' you have come accross then there cannot be too much wrong in the world and I do not see the big issue. If a male teacher had been asked the same question no one would have even thought twice about it. I am sure the 'teacher' was more than capable of providing the appropriate response as do all the 'male' engineers when they get the odd negative comment about some thing or another.
Women are more than capable of doing the things they want in life, in my experience.
03 June 2012 09:57 PM
No, we don't. We need more publicity for role models showing ALL young people that engineering is an exciting and rewarding career path in an industry that doesn't discriminate on any grounds other than whether you can do the job.
My anecdotal evidence completely contradicts yours, Andy - the women I know in the industry think this award is sending the wrong message. Whatever historical prejudices exist are not something we can change as an industry body - what we should be doing is putting forward a positive image that appeals to both genders, not a one-sided approach that places women on a pedestal for honouring us crusty blokes with their presence in our hallowed drawing offices.
The right message is "whoever you are, you are welcome in this industry if you have the right skills". The over-riding need is for us to recruit more engineers - it doesn't matter if they are women or not. We should pick the best engineers, nothing more, nothing less.
What I have a problem with is that the award is monetary and nominally for engineering, not for being a role model.
I have been to schools to talk to the students before, and will again, and I do this voluntarily with no thought of rewards or prizes because it's the right thing to do. I also address the issue of gender balance by acknowledging that there are currently more men than women in the industry, but that it is historical and there's no reason why it should stay that way.
If women engineers truly believe that there is a problem that needs to be solved by them raising their own profile with young people then I am sure they will take it upon themselves to go into schools as I have done and present to the kids. One prizewinning showpony (who, this year, is an Army officer - so not likely to have a lot of free time for volunteering) is not going to get round that many schools. And why does she deserve a £1000 prize for doing what many of us already do for nothing more than satisfaction?
When I joined Bombardier as a graduate I was one of a group of eight engineers, three of whom are women; I now work on a team where three out of the five engineers are women. I have encountered numerous highly-qualifed and capable women throughout my admittedly short career and I expect to see more of them in the future.
Dr Joe Silmon PhD MEng CEng MIET
Committee Member, Railway TPN
10 June 2012 04:23 PM
Regarding Dr Joe Silmon's comment calling this years YWE winner Charlotte as a show pony, and saying she obviously does not have time to carry out voluntary work. Dr Silmon I would advise you to carry out your research prior to posting comments on people you obvious do not know and the work that they carry out. Charlotte (young woman engineer of the year), Natasha ( special recognition) and myself (Mary George memorial prize winner) have been involved in a lot of media campaigns and school events promoting STEM subjects, apprenticeships and engineering. And yes we have been able to be involved in more events due to the higher publicity we gained. Personally I have been promoting these cases since the second year of my apprenticeship, so we do and have 'taken it on ourselves to go into schools...'
I can understand some of the previous posts that men are excluded from this award but there are other awards run by the IET that men can be nominated for.
Regarding the post from Andy Millar I strongly agree that the major issues we come across are defeating the stereotypical views.
Personally the reason I started promoting engineering, STEM subjects and apprenticeships is my love for the sector and yes I do my best to promote the sector to women because there is such a huge difference in numbers, and some of the comments in previous posts appear to highlight some of the issues women have in joining the engineering sector.
The IET YWE awards promote women in engineering, they should be praised and gain much more coverage than they do currently. The work the IET carries out to promote women in engineering is highly important in trying to bridge the difference between the numbers of men and women in engineering.
Laurie-Ann Benner TMIET
Mary George Memorial Prize Winner 2011
10 June 2012 08:09 PM
I presume you'd agree that in due course this award should be scrapped because it will become obsolete. I already work in company where in some of the disciplines women outnumber men and our company chief engineer is a woman (and we have about 1200 engineers (not total staff)).
Once the numbers come to something approaching equality it becomes nonsensical to have such an award unless there's a corresponding men-only one. Even then, it wouldn't be good to have separate awards because in virtually every competitive environment where the sexes are segregated the assumption (right or wrong) is that the women wouldn't have any chance of winning in a mixed competition.
By the way, I think you'll probably find that most ethnic minorities are under-represented in engineering but I don't think we're likely to see a 'Young Black Engineer of the Year' award. I wonder why not?
Actually, I do think it's rather a shame that there isn't an 'Engineer of the Year' award. It's a simple concept that all the public could understand and could probably be turned into a lot more publicity than most of existing awards. It's also likely that such a competition, with a decent profile, could turn up some really exciting achievements to help 'sell' the engineering profession.
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.
10 June 2012 08:29 PM
Laurie-Ann, I didn't mean to make a personal attack on any prizewinner, I am against the prize in its current form and title, not the good work done by the individuals who happen to have won it. The phrase "showpony" is maybe a bit emotive, sorry about that, what I was trying to point out is that it seems a bit unfair to single out a handful of individuals when many hundreds more (some of them ineligible for this award) are also trying hard to get more engineers of every shape, size and colour into the industry.
Let's not forget that a female engineer of a certain capability will deliver the same value as a male engineer of the same capability. Gender shouldn't be a big issue in this industry.
I'm not taking this stance out of some misogynistic attitude but rather because I genuinely think it's the wrong way to even out the demographics of our industry.
Let's compare ourselves for a moment with a sector where there are far more women than men: primary school teaching. Do you think it would be OK to have a "Young Male Primary School Teacher of the Year" award? I don't. A male primary school teacher is no more special than a female primary school teacher. They both do great work and both deserve a chance to win publicity and prizes for it, if their work is excellent.
I guess my point is that by putting lots of emphasis and attention onto gender, we make a bigger issue out of it than existed in the first place, and I don't think that helps to reassure young women thinking of entering the industry that we've got past the 1950s.
In an era where we are desperately short of suitable people, it makes no sense to me to start targetting our recruitment/awareness efforts on any one demographic group - we should be hitting everyone with an equal measure of "look how cool it is to be an engineer or technician". And another measure of "anybody who has the skills/aptitudes can be an engineer or technician".
I'd like to think that when I go to talk to students in schools, the young women listening are not put off by the fact it's a man talking to them. In fact, I resent the implication (of this award) that only a female role model will serve adequately to encourage young women to consider a career here.
Whether or not the award continues (and it seems that the body of opinion is that it should, both in this discussion and a previous one I initiated some time ago), one thing is clear: it shouldn't be left to women engineers to try to promote the cause of better demographic balance. Why not? Because there are (currently) fewer of you than there are of us men. We should all be making the effort, not just the women!
So, Laurie-Ann, I would genuinely appreciate your thoughts on how to give a balanced message (equal appeal across all genders, races etc) when I go into a school to talk to the students. How can the white man giving the talk win over the whole of the audience?
Currently my approach is as I stated previously - I say that there are currently more men than women, but that the industry is very strongly open to all.
Do you think that there needs to be some specific content that is designed to appeal to the female members of the audience? Is there something I need to do, show or say to back up my message? As I said before, I will never target my effort at one group more than another, but if I need to change something to make sure that my message has an equal chance of reaching everybody, then I will do that.
Gender balance is not the only demographic anomaly we have in engineering. I'm pretty sure when looking around my office that certain ethnic groups are also under-represented. Should we start having a special award for people of different races too? I don't think so - maybe you disagree. But if you do, why is it OK to do this for a particular gender?
Dr Joe Silmon PhD MEng CEng MIET
Committee Member, Railway TPN
10 June 2012 08:33 PM
Stewart I agree entirely with your post!
My whole argument is that I think we've reached the point you describe already where we don't need this award any more.
Gender discrimination is outlawed (except in the matter of parental leave, where women continue to enjoy vastly superior rights to men) and so young women can expect to get fair treatment in all workplaces, including engineering.
Dr Joe Silmon PhD MEng CEng MIET
Committee Member, Railway TPN
11 June 2012 10:19 AM
If you think that about 10% is the right level for female engineers, then scrap the award. Your reference to primary school teachers is also faulty. Only one in four primary schools has a male teacher and overall there are only about 2percent male teachers. Efforts are being made to increase this ratio and encourage more participants. Is this wrong?
We are not talking about "discrimination" here, a negative term; positive encouragement is the phrase. Role models are important - why did you bother to become an engineer?
Hamish V Bell, BSc, CEng, FIET, FCQI, CQP
2013 - 2016 Elected Council Member
2007 - 2010, Vice President and Trustee
11 June 2012 12:03 PM
I am sort of in two minds about this award. Initial feelings are why have a separate one. The argument of "there are other awards run by the IET that men can be nominated for" put forward by Laurie-Ann does not hold up as women are also eligible for those same awards.
However the comment about gender discrimination is not really relevant here - we are not talking about women who become engineers and are then discriminated against in terms of the way they are treated at work or being paid less to do the same job etc. We are talking about getting them interested in engineering in the first place.
We all accept that there isn't a strong gender balance in engineering and this is partly due to a perception that it is a man's job. If these awards can help change that perception then perhaps they are a good thing. I would agree though that they should end once that balance has been restored.
As for being worthy of the prize itself, many of us spend time volunteering, some do more than others for whatever reason it may be (amount of time they can commit, enthusiasm to do it etc.). But like all prizes, not everyone can win. There will always be others doing equally good things elsewhere but that's just how awards work. I am sure that there are many singers who feel that they are doing better work than Adele in the music field (and who actually ARE creating better music) but it is still her who keeps scooping the awards.
11 June 2012 10:03 PM
Well, Hamish, your stats are referring to engineering as a whole (i.e. the whole age range), not to intakes over the past few years. I am pretty confident that if you restrict your stats to say the last five years of graduate intakes, the gender balance will be more even. Not necessarily 50-50 - but certainly better than 10-90 - at least going by the ratios I see in the engineers I work with. It'll take another 20 years to see the effect of a more open industry to filter through as larger numbers of women work their way up the management chain, although as has already been mentioned, this is already happening.
As an Institution I strongly believe that we should not "see" gender. It has no bearing on the qualities that make engineers who they are as professionals, and so it has no place in our range of awards and honours. If we want to shape an industry that doesn't discriminate, we have to start by cleaning our own house.
Why did I become an engineer? I had no role models - my father was a translator, my mother is a nurse; I got into engineering because I had an interest in the academic side of it and I have a strong appreciation of the value it adds to society, not because I wanted to be like anybody in particular. A passion for the subject is what should motivate people to choose a career. You can't assume your life's going to turn out like the successful role model you are following - that's a really bad reason to make a career (or any other kind of) choice.
Rhys, I think you may have misunderstood where I think the discrimination is occurring - it's the fact that the prize is only open to women that I don't like. That is discrimination. Just because it's against a majority doesn't make it ok, or stop it from being discrimination. I believe in absolute fairness, not weighted fairness dependent on a prevailing political fashion.
In terms of being a professional, I do belong to a minority - a minority of people who went to university having started out with a "disadvantaged" background (i.e. my parents didn't have the means to support me through university, or send me to a "good" school - in fact there was no choice of school in my town). That is a vastly greater disadvantage (it's actually material) than being born with two X chromosomes and I still got on and did what I wanted to do in life.
Yes, we should make sure that the message gets to everybody that engineering is open to all, but there comes a point where you have to accept you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Despite what many people may see as some kind of chip on my shoulder, I do have a positive suggestion to make: we don't abolish the award, but we open it to all comers and rename it the IET Diversity Ambassador award (or something to the same meaning), and give it to the person (male or female) who has done most in the year to spread the message that the engineering industry is open to all and a great career to follow.
Dr Joe Silmon PhD MEng CEng MIET
Committee Member, Railway TPN
12 June 2012 10:25 AM
Despite what many people may see as some kind of chip on my shoulder,
Your opinion is perfectly valid. If the award had been the other way around I am quite confident that some women would have had something to say, and that does not mean they would have been wrong to have that opinion. With regards to schools and male teachers that is a different situation because there are many male/female children, as we know, and so a more balanced gender of teachers is required for reasons we all know about. However there are not male and female machines, for example, which require fixing.
I have no issue with the young woman award and role models. But it can also be said that young men require role models so let's have a young man engineer of the year award to deliver that.
12 June 2012 10:16 PM
That would satisfy me - but I would be astonished if it actually happened!
Dr Joe Silmon PhD MEng CEng MIET
Committee Member, Railway TPN
13 June 2012 01:55 PM
To Stewart Taylor, I do aggree that if the best opportunity and idea is to have an equivalent 'men-only' award, and as i said previously there are other awards (but yes these are open to both men and women).
To Dr Joe Silmon, I am afraid of repeating myself but the best aspect of this award is highlighting the work and progression routes of women in the engineering sector, and their individual work in promoting engineering, STEM subjects and apprenticeships (to both young men and women).
I have to agree with Hamish that your example of male primary teachers is not correct and again there is alot of work to encourage more men into that profession.
As i have said previously i personally do not target my talks and presentations to one audience, i use my experiences to involve all groups into my presentations and to ensure that all young people are aware that engineering is possible career path for them. And i completely aggree with you regarding your comment "it shouldn't be left to women engineers to try to promote the cause of better demographic balance. Why not? Because there are (currently) fewer of you than there are of us men. We should all be making the effort, not just the women! "
With regards to your own work in schools, to ensure as you say "you are reaching the full audience", (which is much more like my own approach) i would highly recommend looking at a selection of case studies of people who have came through apprencticeships and degree routes these can be found on a number of websites including the IETs and E&T. You don't need to talk through these but possibly have them on a separate board for the young people to look through in their own time, and maybe give the young people the oppurtunity to then ask you questions regarding the 'case studies'.
Laurie-ann Benner TMIET
Mary George Memorial Prize Winner 2011
13 June 2012 06:16 PM
Thank you for your recommendations, Laurie-Ann, I will be sure to research the case studies before I next go to speak to school students so that I have some useful backup info beyond my own experiences.
I would be satisfied if there are equal opportunities for every group to achieve any particular award. It's not good enough for me that there are "other awards" available because those are open to all and so you've still got this extra award that only some people can win; I want to see exactly the same opportunities for either gender. I agree with previous posters that having segregated awards for the work you have cited (promotion of engineering, STEM etc to young people) is a bit strange - once we have got to the level of accepting that we are simply promoting engineering to all, why do we need to honour the genders separately?
It is conceivable, is it not, that if a male engineer were to put in huge effort to specifically reaching out to young women to join the profession, that he might actually have been the one that year to have done the most to promote the cause of gender balance, and yet the award can only be won by a woman.
Hence my suggestion (the second part of my rubric to this discussion - not abolish but replace with an equivalent that is open to all) that we have an award for someone who has worked hard to promote diversity and attract many different backgrounds to the profession. Would it be so bad if we generalised this award to make ti open to all? You didn't respond to that suggestion specifically - what are your thoughts? Would it work for you? if not, why not? Do you feel that you wouldn't be able to compete with male engineers to win that prize? (given the level of passion you clearly have, I find that unlikely!)
Dr Joe Silmon PhD MEng CEng MIET
Committee Member, Railway TPN
14 June 2012 10:14 AM
I'll make two comments:
1. Discrimination used to have a positive connotation. It implied a maturity of judgement and the ability to distinguish acceptable as against less-acceptable conditions. Just as the word "wicked" has acquired the opposite meaning to its original, so has "discrimination". It is now almost a term of abuse to describe something or someone who is discriminating. This has reached the point where we have to use the term "positive discrimination" to infer the previuosly accepted meaning.
2. Having made that pedantic, but necessary point, the need for "positive discrimination" hasn't gone away just because of the language changes. To encourage plants to grow, the ones with the minority of growth are encouraged by the use of fertilisers (which now of course must be organic). I think that the Womens' award should be viewed in this sense. While half the population is made up of women and the engineering profession is not, I believe one of the purposes of Institutions should be to encourage a greater take up of the profession by women.
To that end, through interviewing on the University recruitment milk round, recruiting women from various backgrounds, encouraging them to seek Institution membership, talking to schools, and encouraging my own children and grandchildren to consider technical and engineering based activities and careers, I've tried to make some contribution to that cause. I applaud others who do the same. This is discrimination and should not be downplayed for linguistic reasons. Let's look at the results, not contemplate the means. Certainly have a mens' award - when there are enough women engineers!
Hopefully Simon will have made his pile by then and will be able to fund it. Now I must do some real work.
Hamish V Bell, BSc, CEng, FIET, FCQI, CQP
2013 - 2016 Elected Council Member
2007 - 2010, Vice President and Trustee
14 June 2012 10:20 AM
If we're doing pedantic, I wouldn't push the horticultural analogy too far. Generally you will have more seedlings than you need so you'll pull out and discard the weak ones, then you'll apply fertiliser to all of the remainder. You won't keep it from the strong ones.
That said, I agree with the point of your post.
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.
14 June 2012 10:51 AM
Positive 'discrimination' has its place in our country and this award is, in my view, one of those places. The argument that there is no mens award, or black award are all very well and taking the last one, I note there a Black police officers association, but not a white one.
This is, as I understand it, to promote a clear ethnicity issue in the police. In a similar way, the Young Women Engineers award (and the Karen Burt award) are there to remind us all there are not enough women in this field, and there is no justifiable reason for it. On the whole, engineers are not digging holes, there is no great physical need. Its about the ability of the mind to understand problems and solve them using scientific and engineering principles.
Long may this award continue !!
Eur Ing Graham Prebble CEng MIEE
14 June 2012 10:23 PM
As i have said previously i personally do not target my talks and presentations to one audience, i use my experiences to involve all groups into my presentations and to ensure that all young people are aware that engineering is possible career path for them.
What experience do you have that makes you a good role model and what benefits do you think women will bring to the world of engineering?
15 June 2012 09:33 PM
Graham, I think you defeat your own argument here!
If there is no justifiable reason for women to be less proficient engineers than men, then there is also no justifiable reason for men to be less proficient than women at being good engineering role models.
Ergo this award should be ope to all.
Dr Joe Silmon PhD MEng CEng MIET
Committee Member, Railway TPN
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"Edifice was of great help right from the beginning of our association."
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Have you ever regretted how the comfort and lifestyle changes of modern day living has made us more isolated? Sprawling apartment complexes where we don't even know our next door neighbours. Festivals and occasions are celebrated within the confines of our own homes? Our children are more interested in friends on a computer screen?
Almond Tree was conceptualized and designed to promote the very foundation of better living. Luxury row houses in Bangalore with large traffic-free community areas, gardens, huge airy rooms, terraces and balconies, all come together to become Almond Tree - your humble and idyllic home.
Located at Yelahanka, Almond Tree is a row houses project in Bangalore, comprising of condominiums, villaments and luxury row houses ranging from 2100 SFT to 2700 SFT. The icing on the cake? Each row house unit has upto 90% carpet area, another feature that aligns to the "more space" ideology.
50 such units will dot the beautifully landscaped villa project, spread over 2.15 acres, nestled amidst top of the line features and specifications. An infinity edge swimming pool, a gym, play areas - to name a few of the long list of amenities at Almond Tree.
While the amenities and features are just what you might expect from any world class builder, it's the little things in and around Almond Tree that catches your attention. Things like a drivers room/storage area in the basement parking lot. Balconies designed so that you have your privacy when you need it. Full wall windows in the bedrooms. Skylights that shine through to the ground floor. Things that you'll notice only once you're actually at Almond Tree.
ALMOND TREE / OVERVIEW / Features
- Infinity edge swimming pool
- Children's pool
- Drive way basement
- Poolside wooden deck
- Table tennis
- Snooker
- Central courtyard
- Club house
- Gym
- Children's play area
- Common rest rooms
- Steam room
- Natural landscaping & gardens
- Party hall
- Security cabin with videophone and intercom
- Entrance waterfall
- 12" Basement - car parking
- Benches on community area
- Natural stone and coloured pathways with natural grass and water bodies
- Design compliant to safety of kids.(no sharp edges, etc.)
- Jacuzzi
- Servants room
- Minimum 2 car parks (covered)
- Private garden & terrace
- RCC framed structure (seismic zone II)
- JK wall putty: gives smooth and long lasting finish to the walls
- External wall: 8" solid block masonry
- Internal wall: 4" solid blocks
Super structure
- Rainwater harvesting
- Water recycling for landscaping, etc.
- All landscaping to be as per local flora and fauna conditions
- CFL lighting in the common areas
- 200 trees planted in front of the project
- Noise insulation in the STP
- Treated water supply
- Bamboos for garden division ensuring a tree count of more than 2000 in the property
- Plantation of trees outside the property
- Big trees: We have already planted 20 feet trees 15 nos. The idea is to give one big tree in every garden
- Zen Garden : The central courtyard has been redesigned so that the spaces are different in every level To start with there is a zen garden at the first level
- Flushing with recycled water ensuring 65% water is reused every cycle
- Huge rainwater bores for ground water recharging
Green initiative
- Hinges: High end ball bearing hinges for all doors
- Main Door: Elegant teak frame with moulded panel door
- Other Door: Wooden frame with flush door
- Toilet & Kitchen door: Waterproof flush door painted
- Brass hardware for main door
- Brushed steel hardware for other doors
- Railing modified and rectified for everyone: Based on the feedback a more contemporary railing has been designed
- Powder coated aluminum windows
- Flushed tiling: The skirting is flushed with the wall plastering. Aesthetically looks great and gives more interior design freedom
- Rounding of granites: Instead of edge polishing we are going with rounding of granites. Aesthetically it adds great value
- Living / Dining / Other bedrooms - Vitrified tile
- Master Bed Rooms - Laminated wooden flooring
- Piped gas for the whole complex
- Vitrified tile flooring
- Granite platform with stainless sink
- Dado 2'0" above platform
- Points for instant water filter, instant geyser electric chimney and washing machine
- Chimney & exhaust opening in window
- Health faucet
- Chromium plated Jaguar fittings
- Granite vanity top with under counter washbasin and mixer tap
- Antiskid ceramic tile for flooring
- Ceramic tile up to the door height
- Plumbing materials of ISI grade
- High end Porcelain EWC
- External emulsion for external walls
- JK wall putty: Gives smooth and long lasting finish to the walls
- Weather guard exterior paint
- Plastic acrylic emulsion for internal walls
- French polish for door shutters
- Melamine polish for main door
- OBD for ceiling
- ISI mark concealed copper wiring
- Modular switches
- Electrical point for split AC in bed rooms
- Sufficient points are provided
- 1.5 KW of backup power for all homes
- TV & telephone points in all bed rooms, living room
- ELCB for each flat, MCB in kitchen / toilet
- Individual metering for each flat
- Hard surface for driveway
- Driver's toilet
- Waterproofing in terrace, bathroom & balcony
Driveway & car park
ALMOND TREE / OVERVIEW / Fixtures
Valueof Grand Edifice, there have been about 40% referral sales," he says. Grand Edifice, located near Whitefield, on the Old Madras Road (off Sai Baba Ashram Road), dons the white and blue colours of the Mediterranean. The green locale gives a feel of the countryside while being close to the city centre. The six storey complex houses 107 apartments that evoke a world of intimacy.
ALMOND TREE / OVERVIEW / Floor Plans
ALMOND TREE / OVERVIEW / Approvals
Total Number of units? Totally 50 houses. 26 row houses, 12 Type 1 Villaments and 12 Type 2 villaments.
Land Area? 2.15 Acres
Conversion? It's a DC converted residential property (DC - District commissioner)
Water? We will have cauvery water in the project. Besides that we are going to have 2 bore wells which will be used as standby. Further we are using extensive rainwater harvesting, water recycling so that we can conserve and reuse water. These things put together will ensure total reliability on water.
Sanctions? BWSSB (Bangalore Water Sanitary and sewage board), Pollution control & BDA sanctions. The property falls under BBMP. (Bruhat Bangalore Mahanagar palike). We have paid the taxes to BBMP.
Value? The property comes with 90% carpet area making it one of the most efficient projects in Bangalore. This is by far the best value project in North Bangalore.
Trees? We have planted 300 trees outside our property which will make the whole road into a boulevard. The trees have been planted after government permission. Further we are looking at planting around 2000 trees inside the project. This will make the whole layout very green and soothing.
Undivided share of land? In a row housing project there are no private lands but the overall land area is divided amongst the total units. The land portion will come to 75% of the total super built up area.
Total construction & land area? The total land area is 93564 sqft. The total super built up area is 1.2 times the land area. It has very low density of construction which will further enhance the living condition.
Security? Cameras at the entrance and in the children's play area.
Location? It's the closest row housing project to the city center. Its exactly 3 km from Yelahanka police station and 10 km from Hebbal Flyover. It's walkable distance from Ramnashree California Resort. The project is off the Doddabellapur road. Its 12 km before the airport. The location details have also been put up in the cost sheet.
Villaments? These are multi-level homes which are basically duplex units.
Type 1 Villaments (B series)? These are in the ground and first floor. 2 rooms and the whole unit in the ground floor and the third bedroom on the first floor through an internal staircase. Units come with garden space. Garden space will have trees, benches, picket fence, barbeque pit. These are completely private and will be getting registered in the owner's name. Areas are around 2100 sqft.
Common Areas? All landscaping is as per natural flora and fauna. This will have very less maintenance. No sharp edges to ensure children friendly common areas.
Type 2 Villaments (C series)? These are in the first floor and second floor. In the first floor there is one bedroom, kitchen, living and dining space. In the second floor there are 2 bedrooms and a family living. The units come with huge terraces. In the terrace we will be providing a barbeque pit and a sitting place. These are completely private and will be getting registered in the owner's name. Areas are around 2600 sqft.
Landscaping? Central courtyard between the rows of houses. This will have natural stone and will be extensively landscaped. There will be water bodies with benches and green areas. The central courtyard would be around 30 feet wide. It will also have an open chess board.
Swimming Pool? The swimming pool will be having two sections, one for the adults and the other for the children. The children pool is going to be longer than the adult pool. The pool is an infinity edge pool (infinity edge means there is water at the edges and one cannot see the swimming pool end so it feels like the pool is stretching to infinity). The water spills from the infinity edge to the children's pool. There will be a sound of flowing water which will give the whole area a nice ambience
Row houses (A series)? These are spilt level homes which will have a huge skylight. The skylight will flood each and every corner of the house with natural light. The split level design gives excellent space utilization and privacy. The staircase acts as the passage. How this works is that lets say the car is parked in the basement at 0 Level. Person climbs to +5 feet level and comes to the dining and kitchen areas. This is where the garden and the servant room are also situated. Another +5 feet from the dining level takes you to the living area. The living area is right on top of the parking level. From the living one can step outside to the central courtyard area. From the living, the person climbs another 5 feet and reaches on top of the dining area and that's where the first bedroom and the family living is located. It comes with attached bath and a balcony. Then another 5 feet climb will take you to the master bedroom. This will have the Jacuzzi and it's on top of the living area. It looks into the central courtyard. Another 5 feet climb takes you to the third bedroom. This will have a terrace and attached bath. Another 5 feet will take you to the private terrace. The terrace comes with a sitting area and barbeque pit. From the terrace one can have the view to the lake. Areas are around 2700 sqft.
Play Area? There is a big children's play area at the east side of the project.
Entrance? In the entrance there is a water curtain which will give a soothing water falling sound..
Club House? Will comprise of steam room, changing room, TT and pool room, full fledged gym. There will be a party area and the TT room can be converted into a party hall as well. The whole place has been designed to make the party area very private, no interference with other residents.
Store Room? Every home comes with a store room in the basement area. This can also be utilized as a servant room.
Venitaltion? Every home is open from two sides with huge windows which will ensure optimum light and ventilation.
Community? Exclusivity is the key here and the project will cater to like minded people.
Club house membership? Fee is a one time fee. There is going to be some charges to maintain the club house and run it effectively. The charges will be known once we start maintaining the project. In the first year it will be ascertained and than taken forward.
Sewerage? We have a STP plant at the site as well as there is sewerage connection which will be provided by BWSSB.
Power? power will be supplied through Bescom.
Power backup? We will be providing 1.5 KW of power backup for all units.
Piped gas? We are proposing piped gas which will eliminate the need of managing the cooking gas requirement. You pay for what you consume. It's done through metering system. This feature eliminates the requirement of having additional gas connections etc. The payment is done as per the government subsidized rates only.
Vaastu? All positions of transformer, sump tank, etc., done keeping in mind vastu requirements.
Vaastu? Site is west and north facing. There are roads on two sides of the property.
Lake? Its 200 meters from the Yelahanka Lake.
Railway track? The property is around 200 feet from a single track railway line. The depth of the property is around 500 feet. We have already planted 300 trees in front of the property to beautify the area. Further we are raising the level of the project in such a way that the ground floor will be around 8 to 10 feet above the road level. Apart from this we are having the swimming pool with a big splash area and water curtain which will minimize the impact of the track.
Sloping? The site slopes which allows for better flow of water. Further, the units get a clear unhindered view to the lake.
Home Loan? We will be able to facilitate home loan. Generally the funding is done upto 80%. We will get the same done from any bank of your choice.
Agreements? There will be one agreement which is called the agreement to sale. The draft copy of the same will be sent to you by email once you give the blocking amount. After clarifying your doubts we shall go forward on the signing of the agreements, etc.
Project completion? Project is completed.
Car parking? All car movements in the basement level only. Every unit comes with 2 car parks with a provision for extra car parks. A huge driveway facilitates easy access and maneuvers.
Architect - Vernekar Associates
Plumbing Consultants - K Sampath And Associates
Electrical Consultant - Entask Electricals
Structural - Group Ventech
Landscaping Consultants - Dhruva Associates
Legal - Kusuma Muniraju
No. 33/2, Behind Unitech Heritage, Off Dodballapur Road, Yelahanka, Bangalore - 560 064.
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Locational USP:
16km from Bangalore International airport
1.5km from Peripheral Ring Road
4.0km from the Railway station
Close proximity to Hospitals:
CRPF Hospital - 1km
Columbia Asia Hospital - 7.8km
KK hospital - Around 2km
Malavya Hospital - Around 2km
Shushrusha Nursing Home - Around 3km
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Close proximity to Education centers:
Mallya Aditi International School (ICSE and IGCSE)- 2.1km
Kendriya Vidyalaya - 1km
Rayan International School (ICSE and IGCSE) - 1.9km
Canadian International School (IGCSE) - 1.1km
Delhi Public School (CBSE) - 4km
Reva Institute of Management and Technology - 5km
TRIO World School - 7km
NITTE International School - 1km
Seshadripuram College - 2.5km
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Upcomming Infrastructure:
The Galleria Luxury Shopping mall
Mantri (Planned)
Kirloskar mall with a built up area of 1.68 million sqft.
Upcomming Peripheral ring road
IT and ITeS SEZs spread across 491 acres
Companies located near project:
Rail Wheel Factory
Astra Zeneca Pharmaceuticals
Federal Mogul Goetze (India) LTD
Mother Dairy
Ranflex India Pvt. Ltd.
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Near by Banks/ATM:
State Bank of Mysore
Oriental Bank of Commerce ATM
State Bank of India (SBI) ATM
Axis Bank ATM
Corporation Bank Branch
ING Vysya Bank
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Bus Conectivity:
Volvo - 402, 285M, BIAS Airport Bus
BMTC from Magestic - 285 series platform No. 23 Ananthpur bus stop
BMTC from K.R. Market - 285 series Anathpur bus stop
BMTC from Shivajinagar - 285 series
- Yelahanka is an area in Bangalore with a rich heritage and has a history of more than 500 years. It is one of the oldest townships in Karnataka and was part of the Vijayanagara Empire. Yelahanka is situated on the northern periphery of the city of Bangalore.
- It is primarily a residential area. Yelahanka has the biggest milk dairy in whole of Karnataka. From this dairy alone millions of litres of milk is supplied to Bangalore city.
- A big cenral bus stand is located in 3rd phase from where buses go to central bangalore and Yelahanka also houses the Rail Wheel Factory (formerly Wheel & Axle Plant) and Attur layout and Bommsandra cross, which are major transit points in Yelahanka.
- Also houses many educational instititutions, such as the Nitte Meenakshi Institute of Technology, Sir M Visvesvaraya Institute Of Technology, BMS Institute of Technology, KNS Institute of Technology, Seshadripuram College, Reva Engineering College, Ryan International School, Delhi Public School, KNN College of Nursing, Infant Jesus College of Nursing, The Karnataka College of Nursing, SB College of Nursing, BVBVS Nagarjuna Vidyaniketan, Srishti School of Art Design and Technology and NMIT.
- An Air Show is held every 2 years here as well, which is attended by thousands of people from all over the world.
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Stow employs 200 people, producing "storage solutions."
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Stow says its competitive advantage is its very fast lead time - an order placed by 6 PM on one day will be shipped the next. Automated processes make that possible, even while producing orders custom built for each customer, at lower prices than previously possible.
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Stow recently consolidated its manufacturing in Holland, closing a plant in New Jersey and moving those 40 jobs to West Michigan.
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CANTON Christopher L. Trombley allegedly slipped through the hands of law enforcement at least twice before a trip to Walmart landed the wanted Ogdensburg man in jail earlier this month.
A fugitive wanted by police in Canton and Ogdensburg, Mr. Trombley, 27, of 5130 County Route 6, was arrested Feb. 15 after an off-duty Canton officer spotted him in the town of Potsdam store, 7494 Route 11, interim Canton Police Chief Victor N. Rycroft said Thursday. Mr. Rycroft declined to name the officer who made the arrest.
That observant police officer recognized Mr. Trombley as a suspect who was wanted by Canton police for charges of false personation and petit larceny under a warrant from Canton Town Court. He also was wanted by Ogdensburg police as an absconder from justice. Mr. Rycroft referred questions about the Ogdensburg warrant to that citys department.
Ogdensburg police said Thursday that they were unable to answer questions about Mr. Trombleys case.
According to the Times archives, in 2007 Mr. Trombley pleaded guilty to attempted fifth-degree criminal sale of a controlled substance, and was sentenced in August of that year to five years probation. His state Department of Corrections and Community Supervision record lists only one conviction, for attempted fifth-degree criminal sale of a controlled substance.
In Canton, meanwhile, Mr. Trombley was caught stealing at the Price Chopper supermarket in the village Jan. 17, according to a release from Mr. Rycroft. Mr. Trombley did not have identification at the time of his arrest but provided false information to arresting officers that appeared to be correct, Mr. Rycroft said. He was issued an appearance ticket and released pending further proceedings.
But fingerprints taken during the arrest revealed Mr. Trombleys true identity a short time later, and police issued a warrant for his arrest.
Mr. Trombley was arrested without incident Feb. 15 and detained until state police arrived to take him into custody.
Following arraignment in Canton Town Court, Mr. Trombley was taken to the St. Lawrence County jail. He was found to be in possession of narcotic pills, marijuana and drug paraphernalia that he had attempted to conceal, Mr. Rycroft said, with additional charges expected to be filed with Potsdam Town Court regarding that alleged cache of substances.
Mr. Rycroft said Mr. Trombley was transported last week to Clinton Correctional Facility, Dannemora, to serve out remaining charges pending from Ogdensburg. State Department of Corrections records show he is facing a sentence of 18 months, with an earliest possible release date of March 1, 2014.
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