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I have been working on my family history for about 50 years, and love wandering through cemeteries. After all, they are history books just waiting to open. My surnames of interest include Spurrier, Scharmann, Yost, Weinberger, Cammack, Frazier, Way, Coffin, Swanson, Rodine, Davis, Lee, and of course, Lind.
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Linnie Dell Lee 1st marriage
I wasn't aware that Linnie had been married before Nira Gill. I'm actually shocked. I cannot find any record regarding this, but would like to have a source that's not a "word of mouth." My records have only listed her with Nira Gill. According to the Find A Grave pages, she and Charles Millard Hobbs wasn't married very long. Other than a trip to Iowa, is there anyone out there that could do a lookup on the Court House records for a divorce record, also a marriage record for her and Nira. My records state her and Nira were married 03 Jul 1906, but now I'm finding it's just from someone else's records.
Thanks to all the volunteers who do such a wonderful service to the rest of us.
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Hello Doug.
Was wondering if this gentleman had roots of Alexandria Nebraska. I am working on an alumni book and found this name. I do have a J and Jane Orr buried in the Alexandria Cemetery but no other information.
Any information would be appreciated.
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Samuel and Alice Davis
I just wanted to let you know that I added pictures of their headstone to the memorials.
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Malinda Frazier
Mr. Lind I see you have posted a memorial for Malinda Frazier. Her obituary is online and I was wondering if I sent it to you, would you copy and paste it to her biography? I understand that I could do it but I am 81 and don't know how! Its quite an interesting obituary and gives great history. She had a huge, huge family.
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Meagan McCauley
Jesse Briton Way
Hello Doug,
Jesse was my 2x great grandpa (his daughter Mary Ellen Way is my great grandmother). I am wondering how and where you found the information on his death. Also is there no headstone, or do you just not know where he is buried?
Meagan McCauley
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I see that you left a flower for Earl Red Blaik could you please be kind and leave flowers for these Spartans. Legendary football coach Duffy Daugherty 24817256 Brad Vanpelt 33971483 and my friend Cynthia Gillig Stone 75864427 she was a freshman Brad was a senior and Duffy coached his last season in 1972 thank you
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I've added headstone photos to the Swanson's who are buried in Highland Cemetery. (John and Lucille plus Walter and Mary Golden)
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Hello Doug,
I would like to request a transfer of memorials for Enoch H. Swafford (# 26202484) and his wife Mary Polly "Frazier" Swafford (# 26202540). They are my 4th great grand Uncle and Aunt. I was requested by someone to transfer my picture of Mary Polly (Frazier)Swafford to your memorial for they were deleting their memorial. I have additional children that can be added to the children listed plus I have more pictures I can added. I have one of their family bibles in my possession which has many more dates and information that can be added to their memorials. I would be forever grateful if you could do the transfer for me.
Jerry L. Swafford
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Kent D. Myrick
Doug -
Shirley Woodruff duplicated a bunch of your Frazier Memorials, then transferred them to me! I've counted about 8 so far, in the Salem South Cemetery in Henry County, IA.
Yours are the originals, but hers have a lot of family data and links that you don't have. I can't delete them because I didn't create them. So sending you update Suggestions won't work.
The only solution I can think of is to transfer them all to you, and let you do whatever you wish with them. Is that all right?
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It was a beautiful night in the neighborhood and the speed boys came out to play. On Tuesday evening, August 14, riders assembled in Warren Village for a practice time trial on the course that will be used for the upcoming Green Mountain Stage Race and among them were several of the fastest time-trialers in all of the great state of Vermont.
There was Bobby Bailey, the Burlington-based bomber who wins just about every time trial he gets a sniff at, often in dominating fashion. There was former Valley resident Charles McCarthy, fresh from his honeymoon and betrothal to his radiant bride Julie and going into the Tuesday evening ride as course-record holder (at least in the practice races).
Sadly, for anyone with a rooting interest in the efforts of local riders, the time-trialing Hubbards, Ella and Taylor, were absent – last seen cavorting with elephants in Africa rather than riding bikes on East Warren Road. But that's another story. On hand, however, was the tall, slender figure of Steve Francisco, resembling some whippet-thin, red-clad superhero in his sleek skinsuit and tapered aero helmet. Francisco can ride like a knife through the wind and he did just that on Tuesday, conquering the 5.7-mile ride along Brook Road and East Warren Road in a new (practice) record time of 14 minutes, 43 seconds.
That relegated Bailey to the unusual position of runner-up, just two seconds in arrears of the flying Franny. (In the spirit of sportsmanship, Bailey still gave Francisco a post-race ride home.) And having to settle for third place on the podium was McCarthy, whose snappy time of 15:07 matched his winning time in last year's practice TT. Not far back in fourth place was the young UVM stud Matt Buckley, whose time of 15:32 was almost a minute faster than the time he recorded three years ago when last he rode this race. The boys were putting some serious pedal to the metal.
Just how fast were the fellas riding? Well consider this: The 16:37 time of local hero Terry Kellogg would have put him on the podium in third place in last year's race. This year, however, it was only good enough for 13th. Other riders known for their local time-trialing heroism, Bob Dillon and Marc Hammond, both brought their A games and set personal-best course records, only to find themselves looking at the final results from the bottom up.
So there you have it – the heat is on. With just over two weeks to go until the first rider puts rubber to the road in the 12th annual GMSR, speed is in the air. Given the results of this week's practice race, the TT course is demonstrably and unequivocally smooth and fast. Times are always faster in the actual race compared with the practice times – an extra charge of adrenaline kicks in when the competition starts for real – so the chances of someone busting the real-race course record set by European-based pro Ted King two years ago seem pretty good.
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To See You Again: A True Story of Love in a Time of War
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"Will you love me always just as you love me now?" I asked. "Always", he promised. With these words, Betty Markowitz and Richie Kovacs pledged their hearts to each other forever. They met as children in 1939 in Budapest, and fell in love as teenagers amid the terror of a world at war, confident that their love could survive even Hitler. Separated from Richie by the Nazis in 1944, Betty vowed she would find him. But it would be thirty years and a lifetime of pain, love, loss, and joy before she did.
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Guida was very skilled and tough. Also, he is a very respectful gentleman, so I was very honored to face him.
In the eyes of many, Hioki worked hard enough off his back to make a case that being on the bottom doesnt automatically mean a fighter is losing the bout. Still, Hioki knows that sometimes judges dont see it that way.
It would have been great if judges have me more credits for working off my back, but, again, I understand how the unified rules work so I am not to complain about anything, he said. Guida won the bout fair and square.
Though Hioki is taking the loss with grace, it would be understandable if he would immediately seek a rematch with Guida, but at the moment, that is not the case.
I cannot think of anything like that nature right now because I just fought, so I will see as a time goes by, said Hioki.
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The Georgia Dome's barrier-free environment provides a complete event experience. Elevators, escalators, and ramps make all levels accessible. Depending on specific event configuration, we can provide 500+ wheelchair and companion spaces on the Lower, Club, and Mezzanine Levels.
Each Lower, Club, and Mezzanine restroom offers private wheelchair accessible facilities. In addition, accessible private family restrooms, equipped with emergency light pull chains, are located on Lower and Mezzanine Levels, in the end zones of the stadium. The Upper Level, due to sightline and structural restrictions does not offer wheelchair accessible seating and restrooms. On a first-come, first served basis, we offer free use of available wheelchairs at each Dome Service Center, with a refundable security deposit.
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Many events provide a radio channel with a feed from the show audio control. Guests can tune in on their own radios.
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Each rest room throughout the Georgia Dome contains a baby changing station.
For NFL games please visit NFL.com/allclear for the bag policy
Packages, bags and purses are subject to a visual inspection of the item's contents at the gates. If staff cannot identify all the contents, guests are asked to move items to allow for a complete inspection. Guests who refuse inspection can be denied entry. In general, backpacks of any size are not allowed in the Dome.
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The Dome has no specific designated bicycle parking area. Bicycles may not be brought inside.
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For most events, children less than 33" in height may enter without a ticket. A child who enters without a ticket must sit in a guardian's lap, and may not interfere with the sightlines of other guests. For exact children's policies for each event please contact the Ticket office at 404.223.8428
To ensure a safe and enjoyable experience for our guests the Georgia Dome endorses the Atlanta Falcons' Fan Code of Conduct, which prohibits the following:
Stadium staff will promptly intervene when necessary to ensure the Code of Conduct is enforced. Ticket holders and/or patrons who choose not to adhere to these provisions will be subject to ejection without refund, revocation of season tickets, and possible arrest and prosecution for violations of city ordinances.
The Dome welcomes comments and suggestions from our guests. Cards are located at Dome Service Centers at each gate, and are turned in to the Administration Manager for response and follow-up.
All merchandise stands and permanent concession stands throughout the Georgia Dome accept VISA, MasterCard, Discover and American Express. Portable food carts accept cash only.
Team Dome wants guests to enjoy each event and have a safe trip home. Guests at least 21 years of age with a valid driver's license are eligible to be "Designated Drivers" and may sign up at Dome Service Centers. For signing a pledge not to drink alcoholic beverages during the event and for accepting responsibility for driving other members of their group home, "Designated Drivers" can register to win free prizes during the events.
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The Georgia Dome is accessible to the disabled community through various structural features and operational services. We welcome these guests to all events and offer the following services.
Parking spaces are available for guests with disabilities located in the Silver Lot and Orange Lot. Vehicle must display a current handicap hangtag; one person in the vehicle must produce a photo ID to match the name on the tag. This person must hold a valid event ticket. Spaces are available on a first-come, first-served basis and may not be reserved.
Assisted Listing: For shows providing an audio feed for their programming, guest may check out assisted listing devices from Dome Service Centers
Elevators: Eight passenger elevators in the Dome are easily accessible at the gates. The elevators are equipped with audible tone and Braille floor level indicators. Patrons with disabilities and their guests may utilize Club Level entrances, including elevators, to access their seats in the mezzanine level, and may have one companion accompany them.
Restrooms: Wheelchair accessible stalls are located throughout the Georgia Dome in public restrooms on Lower Level, Club Level, and Mezzanine Level. Private family and special needs restrooms equipped with emergency assistance pull chains are located near Aisles L6, L32, on the Club Level near Taco Mac Restaurant, and at Aisle U41.
Tickets: Accessible seating is available on Lower Level and Club/Mezzanine Level for Georgia Dome events. Suites can also provide accessible seating. Disabled guest and companion must have specific tickets for their seats.
Wheelchair Service: Guests can check out wheelchairs on a first-come, first-served basis at each gate Dome Service Center. We will hold a credit card imprint as a security deposit, refunded with the return of the chair. DSC staff can escort guests to their seats, with no security deposit. Assistance is available before, during, and after the event.
Guests can order Dome Dollars in $5.00 increments, in advance of event day, by contacting Levy Restaurants Sales, 404-223-8500. The Dollars are prepaid with a credit card and picked up from the Levy sales
representative on event day. They are accepted at food/beverage concession stands on each level, but not at merchandise sellers. Dome Dollar Purchases must be arranged in advance.
Dome Service Centers are the Dome's information desks located at each gate. Dome Service Centers are staffed by Guest Services Specialists. The Dome Service Center staff provides both event and building information and emergency paging. Patrons can also pick up wheelchairs and smoking wristbands here. Lost and found items and lost children are kept at the Dome Service Centers during events.
Elevators and escalators are accessible throughout the Dome for all fans. Escalators reverse direction one hour before the end of each event.
For most events, re-entry is not allowed. Guests who wish to smoke may obtain a smoking wristband from the nearest Dome Service Center to exit and re-enter the designated smoking exit doors.
Falcons Landing is a free NFL Theme Park with interactive games, autograph sessions, live music, food and drink and much more. Falcons Landing is located on International Plaza between the Georgia Dome and Philips Arena. It begins three hours before the start of regular season Falcons home games and closes at kickoff. Entertainment changes weekly.
First Aid stations are located:
Lower Lever by Gate D
Upper Level at Isle U22
Items left in the seating bowl are brought to the nearest Dome Service Center located at each gate. After the event, guests may email firstname.lastname@example.com to claim their lost items.
In honor of the National Anthem, every individual should stand and remove hats. Guests should not walk during the National Anthem. Direct guests inquiring about singing the National Anthem to call Event Services at (404) 223-8600, during normal business hours.
Guest with specific needs should visit a Dome Service Center. Attendants may be able to assist with a private area.
The Georgia Dome offers a variety of beverages for purchase and outside food and beverages may not be brought in. Small personal coolers containing medical supplies or special dietary needs may be brought into the building with a letter of approval from the Dome's Administration Manager. To obtain the letter, please contact (404) 223-9200 at least 72 hours prior to the event.
The Owner's Club is an upscale, members-only club featuring a private lounge with complimentary food and soft drinks, luxury finishes, plasma screen televisions and Falcons seats in the lower level between the 40 yard lines. Entry for the 250 members is by special membership card, plus a valid game ticket.
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Guest pat down is not a standard procedure at the Georgia Dome. At the discretion of Dome security, or at the request of a show promoter, guest pat downs are added to the entrance routines already in place. If this situation occurs, the Dome announces the pat down policy via signage and PA announcements as guests approach the gates. Similar to the bag inspection procedure, refusal to submit to pat down may result in denied access to the event.
The Georgia Dome promotes a family environment. Profanity will not be tolerated.
For NFL Games please visit nfl.com/allclear for the policy on bags and purses allowed inside the Georgia Dome
For comfort and security, guests are not permitted to enter the Georgia Dome with the following items:
MARTA (Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority) operates throughout metro Atlanta. The Vine City MARTA station is outside Gate A. The Phillips Arena / Georgia Dome station is accessible outside Gate D and Upper Gates C and D.
Radios are welcome into the Dome, provided they are equipped with earphones.
Once guests enter the Dome re-entry is not allowed except for smoking. Guest must pick up smoking wristbands after showing a valid event ticket at the Dome Service Centers. Both the wristband and the valid event ticket are required for re-entry.
The Georgia Dome provides 69 restrooms located throughout the venue. Each has a baby-changing station, and most have a child-holding seat in one stall.
Family / Special needs restrooms are located in the following areas:
Selling any ticket for any price including face value is prohibited on Dome, Congress Center or Centennial Park property. By law, ticket sellers must remain 2,700' away from our property.
The Georgia Dome is a smoke free environment. Smoking is permitted outside of designated, identified public entry gates, but is not permitted outside the Executive Member Entrance at Gate F. Guests may pick up smoking wristbands after showing valid event ticket at the Dome Service Centers. Both the wristband and the valid ticket are required for re-entry. This policy includes electronic cigarettes or any other product deemed unacceptable by Georgia Dome management.
The Georgia Dome welcomes guests with strollers, as long as they do not prohibit the normal flow of traffic or take up a space designated for persons with disabilities. The Georgia Dome is not responsible for strollers left unattended. Strollers can also be checked at a Dome Service Center, provided space is available.
A limited number of party suites are available for individual event leasing for Georgia Dome events including Falcons games. Please have guests contact Georgia Dome Sales at (404) 223-8200 during business hours for additional information.
The Georgia Dome has 163 individual executive suites on A and B Levels, 1 penthouse suite on the Upper Level, and eight super suites on B Level. Guest must have a valid Suite Ticket or Suite Pass to access these areas.
The Tag-A-Kid program allows guests with young children to obtain a wristband at the Dome Service Centers displaying their name, parents' names, phone number and seat location to aid in the safe return of their children should they become separated.
Tailgating before events is allowed in all Dome flat parking lots, and is specifically prohibited in the campus multi-level garages.
Taxi companies have cabs circling nearby after most large Dome events. The most reliable places to cat5ch a taxi is on Upper Andrew Young International Boulevard, around Philips Arena, GWCC main entrance or the Omni Hotel. Guest should exit at Upper Gate C or Upper Gate D and walk across International Plaza to the taxi stands.
Both the Georgia Dome Ticket Office and the Falcons Ticket Office are located between Gates B and C, outside the building. The offices are open from 9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m., Monday through Friday.
The Georgia Dome hosts group tours of the stadium by appointment only. Direct interested guests to call (404) 223-8687 for details.
Umbrellas may be brought into the Georgia Dome, but are not permitted to be opened. Umbrella bags are available upon entry.
Video cameras are prohibited unless specified by the event.
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By Michael from USA on 2014-10-02 14:13:55Things I liked:The tin was nice and will use for a target with better pellets so I can hit it.
Things I would have changed:These where very inconsistent in size and shape. Around 60% of them had visual erratic markings or dents in the skirt rims. I got patterns at 20 yards of over 2 inches in 2 out of five groups of 5 shots. I got 3 tins with my Benjamin package and if I was working at PA I would not even give these away as they made a good rifle look bad. Thanks to Dave at PA and a chat session he recommended JSB exact match and when they came in, so did my shot group size. Shameful at any price.
What others should know:I would be glad to give to someone but I do not dislike anyone bad enough to do that to them.
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This emotional journey will revisit the stories of my Uncle Joe once again. I hope you will enjoy them, and think of your family as you read.
Joseph Henry Thompson (pictured, left) was born in June 1925 in Birmingham, England. The eldest of 4 children, and brother of my father (dad being the youngest). I never knew him and my father hardly had the time before his tragic demise post-war at 22.
Joe 'joined up' to the RAF, along with thousands of other young men, in 1943 at the tender age of 18. He left his widowed Mother, Olive (my Nan) and 3 siblings and left for training in London after Christmas. This letter is from his first posting to the Intake Training Wing (ITW) in Bridlington, just 2 weeks or so later, where he has been sent for 6 weeks of intensive, tough training.
Letter 13 – 1o 'fillings' & becoming a Browning expert, 29th Jan 1944
Letter transcript:
"Same Place, Friday Night.
Dear Mom and Kids,
I received your parcel today and it has relieved me a great deal as I thought there may have been something wrong at home. I've only received the two letters enclosed in the parcel and I've been wondering whether you've written others that I've not yet received. I'm very grateful for the second cake which, although it's been knocked about a bit, it will fill a gap after tea for many a night. I'm glad of the books as well, as 'Aircraft Recognition' is a very important subject here (an Air Gunner CANNOT make a mistake) and if I fail in it I have to have the whole course over again.
EVERYONE in the Billet is envious of my pyjamas! By the way the 'Allowance' people HAVE got a cheek, they must think you can live on fresh air. Let me know what happens and if its possible I'll see the C.O. about the claim if you don't get a suitable reply. I see also by your letter that I've not told you about the Laundry here. We are allowed to have some washing sent every week and it's paid for by the RAF. That's about the only thing you get for nothing'!
I have enquired about photos and I will get some done next (pay?) day! There's only one shop down here that does 'em and that's rather posh!
Tell Joyce* that I've not even heard the news on the radio since I joined this mob! Blimey, it will be a treat to listen to 'Poe' music when I get home! Also tell Brian* that I've only been to the Pictures once since I left home, it's too expensive even at a 'bob' a time!
The course now is getting to an unimaginable pitch! They work and lecture us at such speed and intensity that we don't rest properly even after we finish for the day!! At night we sit up writing out lectures and doing 'homework'! I'm having to write this letter at top speed! The Browning machine gun is the bug-bear, I never knew that such a small thing could contain so many small things in such a small space, each doing 'umpteen' small things!!! If, a few months ago, someone told me the names of al few parts of the Browning, I would have goggled at him in sheer admiration!! But now I feel that I could talk all day on the darn thing and I'm only 1/3 of the way through the course!
I believe I told you in my last letter that I've got to have some of my teeth filled today. Well the dentist told me that I've got to have 10 fillings! I had one today! The fillings are a very expensive type, they will not pain at the cold at high flying altitudes. He puts in a 'lining' first and then the metal. He also told me that when all of the ten have been filled, the cost will be £6!! *(I don't pay!) I go again to the 'torture chamber' next Wednesday!
In your letter you spoke of the discomforts of this dump. Well, three blokes in the ground floor had the greater part of the laths and plaster fall on them when someone in the room above started to chop some wood!! "Home sweet home!"
Let me know when and how Den* gets on when he starts work. He'll be the first 'wallpaper basher' in the ancestral line! Stop me, what a come-down!! While I remember, did Bri write that letter himself, if he did, "well done mate!" Ask Dennis if he can still write!
This morning, by the way, we had our 'Gas Warfare' examination. I'll let you know how I got on. The greatest of importance is attached to Dinghy Drill and other aspects of Air-Sea rescue at this and all other stations*. We get a pile of lectures and practice – practice – practice. That is the main reason why so much fuss is attached to our health and physical fitness. We MUST (so they tell us) be hardened to stand any extra physical and mental strain as in the case of a 'ditched' pilot and crew. We get P.T. every day! If the weather is fine we hae (22 a side!) football on the sands! It's darned good fun!
I must finish now and it's about time too! Some of that cake will go down nice with some NAAFI coffee! So, good night and God Bless,
Love to you all, Joe. xxxx
P.S. I've 'found' a pen or have you noticed!!"
*Joyce is Joe's little sister, and the only girl of 4 children
*Brian is my Dad, the youngest of the 4 kids
*Den is Dennis, the second eldest son
*£6 in 1944 would be approx. £215 today!
*Joe will end up being shot down into the sea on his inaugural operation, so, although he doesn't know it yet, this will be of serious value to him in the near future
It is strange reading a letter that was written when my Father was just a small boy of 9 years old, referring to his writing skills. Hard to imagine a vulnerable little brother, being addressed in such a loving and 'matey' fashion by his grown, older sibling, who must have appeared such a man, such a hero to them all.
Sadly, the letters to which Joe refers, from his Mother and siblings, have been lost over the years for this particular period, although I do have many for later, which I shall introduce to this series in chronological order as they appear. They serve only to enrich the conversation and give us some insight into both Olive's mindset and the family cirumstances, struggling to survive alone during the war, with her 3 youngest children.
You can find other letters from WWII with a different slant, at the marvellous http://lettersww2.com/ where life in the US Army can be compared with my Uncles British RAF experiences at the same time period in our history.
Joe's full story is beautiful and tragic. He was our family hero. He IS our family hero. If I knew how to complete an effective RAF salute, I would salute you now, Joe. Long may your memory live in our family stories.
I hope to post a new letter from Joe's correspondence with his Mother here every Friday until they're done. It will be a turbulent and heart-wrenching journey. Subscribe to the Blog to make sure you don't miss any of it.
Other posts in this series:-
Letter 1 – 29 December 1943, arriving at Recruit Camp
Letter 2 – 31 December 1943, settling in
Letter 3 – 5th January 1944, confined to Barracks!
Letter 4 – 8th January 1944, meeting a boxing champ
Letter 5 – 10th January 1944, theft and wrongful punishment
Letter 6 – 13th January 1944, preparing to leave basic training camp
Letter 7 – 13th January 1944, high jinx and punishing schedules
Letter 8 – 14th January 1944, posted to Bridlington
Letter 9 – 18th January 1944, arrival in 'the dump' for 6 weeks training
Letter 10 – 21st January 1944, an introduction to firearms
Letter 11 – 25th January 1944, a fellow cadet in killed
Letter 12 – 27th January 1944, pork pies, live rounds and 'dim wits'


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Yup, another thing that is happening which BHO wants to take credit for.
U.S. State of the Union highlights Apple manufacturing coming back to America
During his annual State of the Union speech last night, U.S. president Barack Obama highlighted Apple's intent to bring some Mac computer manufacturing back to America.
After shedding jobs for more than ten years, our manufacturers have added about 500,000 jobs back over the past three. Caterpillar is bringing jobs back from Japan. Ford is bringing jobs back from Mexico. After locating plants in other countries, like China, Intel is opening its most advanced plant right here at home, and this year, Apple will start making Macs in America again.
In December of 2012, Apple announced plans to invest over $100 million to bring production of one of its Mac lines to the U.S. Speculation has included both the Mac mini and a rumored next-generation Mac Pro. This followed increased media attention over their, and the industry's, use of Chinese manufacturing facilities and labor.
Apple CEO Tim Cook, as expected, was in attendance. He sat in the First Lady's section, behind Michelle Obama, in a dark suit and tie.
During last year's State of the Union President Obama mentioned Apple's late co-founder, Steve Jobs, praising his entrepreneurial spirit as his widow, Laurene Powell Jobs, watched from the First Lady's section.
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U.S. State of the Union highlights Apple manufacturing coming back to America
No, it's not wrong. American companies should be bringing jobs back home to America, where they belong. But greed is "good", isn't it, and keeping jobs oversees for pennies on the dollar, rakes in the profits to pay for the golden parachutes, when then greedy suits leave or get fired from the companies they worked for (and mismanaged, in many cases. Not Apple, of course).
Too funny. Anyone that has been paying close attention knows that all these companies got no money from a government bailout. Every manufacturing company that did get government bailout loans moved their operations over seas. US Tax payers paid 30 billion specifically for GM to move its operations to China, India, and Indonesia.
But BHO is trying to say that he helped bring jobs back? He is a globalist who loves world trade treaties that destroy the US.
We are not allowed to have any tariffs on Chinese products (unless they give us permission) but they have tons of tariffs on our products. For instance, a Jeep Cherokee that costs 27K in the US costs over 80K in China, because of their tariffs. Nothing is fair trade in free trade treaties.
Take your political rants elsewhere, this isnt the place for it. Rene simply mentioned this because Apple was brought up during the STOU.
It's pretty obvious that this country has been divided for a decade now. Lets focus on positive things happening and move forward instead of getting stuck in pre-election-feuds ;)
Agreed. But divided for just a decade? No much longer.
Wow. I was actually going to write that but hit reply too fast this morning.
Right on.
Forward off a cliff? Forward into a wall? Forward over the water fall? We've all seen where planned economies and their centralized power schemes end... gridlock currently offers the only hope for anyone who wants to retain individual or local autonomy. I guess the only good news is that ultimately we can't afford your oligarchical collectivistic utopia, the credit lines borrowed against our children are about tapped.
I'm more concerned with the screen grab from Fox News. Last week they said Germany, roughly the size of Arizona, produces more solar energy than the U.S. because "they get more sun the the us."
You seriously watch that crap Rene?
LINK??? Like the CNN propaganda shill so wrapped up in her assigned narrative that she tried to float 'Asteroids attracted by global warming'? http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/340309/can-global-warming-make...
Yeah, that was just as bad...and dumb.
Here's the Faux News link:
Two Words: Fox. News. (should never be in the same sentence together)


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Tactful corrections of band members
We have a player in our band who tends to overplay. He is not playing his main instrument with us. Trouble is he is always trying to do things that he can't do reliably - zero headroom. His timing is not good.
If he simplified and just focused on being tight he'd be fine, but he keeps on adding out-of-time clutter. Then he changes things from practice to practice, even though we record everything.
At a recent social band get-together our bassist was saying how important it is to leave space and to just execute simply and well ... which looked like a veiled, general way of suggesting to the musician-in-question to de-clutter. All enthusiastic agreement.
Then next practice, the same sloppiness as though the conversation never happened. Late last year our singer and I tried to get him to tidy things up be he got all insecure and huffy and suggested that maybe we might like to find someone better (Why not just simplify FFS!). Since he doesn't tell us what to play I guess he thinks we should provide the same courtesy (we are much more tight than he is).
Occasionally a couple of us have tried dealing with specifics ... "How about trying this or that?" and he may or may not go for it.
Has anyone found a way of diplomatically dealing with this situation - or can think of something?
Any ideas? It's not end-of-the-world because we're in it for the fun, but it's an irritation because it limits our fun.
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When subtle hints don't cut it, it's time to be blunt.......blunt doesn't have to be rude either. Just be direct and to the point. It can still be done with a smile and a laugh over a pint.......especially when you're dealing with mates. State your case directly, so that there's no missing your point and hopefully he'll get the message.
Personally, I'd do it this without the hordes though. Maybe myself and one other......no need to have him feeling the whole band is against him (they're obviously not, but it can feel that way if you're on the receiving end). You want him to be receptive, not on the defensive.
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One on one. Sage advice, PFOG. Damn, I'll probably be the muggins who'll have to do it. Poo.
"Now, X, you're wonderfully talented ... a rare and remarkable genius, really ... but I have noticed a couple of things which could be even more brilliant ..."
Re: Tactful corrections of band members
Well, for one, didn't he play that way from the beginning? If not, what precipitated the change?
If he didn't play that way from the beginning, it might be possible to approach what led to the change and turn that around . . . I don't know, it depends on what started it. (And if he played that way from the beginning, I have to wonder why you guys hired him (or joined the band, depending on who started it) in the first place.)
In either case, what might be a better idea is trying to compromise a bit the other way and having the whole band work on the more difficult, busy stuff--even if they do not need to. The idea isn't that it's all going to end up busier--it's that you're going to help him get his chops in shape so that if he's going to play that way anyway, it at least sounds good, then the rest of the band can eventually back off and be simpler if they want to be.
You'd need to coordinate this with the other band members ideally.
Let's say for example that he plays some complicated ostinato figure or run or whatever over something. Have the other members, including you, say, "I like what you're doing there; I'd like to do something similar or complementary to it, can you show it to me?" Then here's where the serious play-acting might have to come in: even if you can easily do it, act like you can not. Make him show it to you slowly, then gradually speed it up. If he's having timing problems as you speed it up, then have worse timing problems, and get everyone to count out the rhythm together. What you're doing is slyly helping him woodshed the part so that he can do it.
Also, by doing this, when he changes the part at the next practice, you can say, "Aw, man--I liked what we were doing together before there, why don't we do that instead?" He might still change parts, but if he does, just take the same approach again so at least his new part sounds good. If you do this enough, you're going to make him a better player , while always approaching it as complimenting and supporting him, so that you'll at least get to a point where you don't have to worry about what he's doing any longer.
He just might not agree with you guys that "less is more", it's better to keep things simple, etc.--I do not agree with that as a player, either. He also might not prefer to keep parts the same all the time--I definitely do NOT prefer that, for example. I prefer that people change parts, change the way they play songs regularly. I hate being in situations where others are uncomfortable with that, and I'd never be able to be in a Rush-like band where everyone is pretty much trying to get things note-per-note the same all the time. So depending on his preferences, you're probably not going to change his mind about that stuff if he doesn't agree with you.
So if you don't want to can him, and I can certainly understand that, then it's going to be just as much your responsibility to help him do what he's trying to do better, without making it seem like you're criticizing him, implying that you're better than him, more right than him about what the music should be like, etc.--all of those things put the person on the defensive instead. It's just as much your responsibility then to make it so that what he's doing better meshes with the music overall . . . that might involve just as much or even more compromise on the other musicians' parts to come up with something that works that kinda satisfies everyone involved.
Just thought I'd add this quickly: I once played with a keyboardist and singer who was like an R&B/funk/jazz Jim Morrison--including the acid-fueled unpredictability onstage. Sometimes it could be frustrating, because it could be hard to follow him and adapt to what he was playing and singing, but he also turned out some genius stuff. But the rest of the band approached it as needing to follow him and make it sound good based on what he was doing--there was no way he was going to take or consistently follow advice, structures, etc. from the rest of us.
It's also a bit like the Tout Mask Replica situation--the rest of the band had to figure out what the Captain was doing and follow him, making that the hinge of the music. There was no way they were going to get the Captain to play something more normal at that point. He just wasn't capable of it, for one.
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Re: Tactful corrections of band members
The second would be: dude, you play way too many friggen' notes. Either lay back or we can arrange to have a couple of fingers removed and force you to chill the f*** out!! :-)
Re: Tactful corrections of band members
I'd say you say to this person what you just said to us.
As Pocket said, sometimes you have to be blunt.
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i agree with p-fog, we had a similar problem with our bassist a while back. not that he played to busily but he wouldn't learn what we needed him to. we tried subtle hints here and there and tried showing him little tips and tricks but each time he got defensive and thought we wanted him gone and so forth.
being he is best friends with the guitarist since they were kids, i asked him to approach it and just flat out tell him, you need to do this and that and do it quickly and explain to him we're not pushing him out but he's holding up progress and if he needs us to help cool but the change needs to be made.
couple weeks later he was starting to fall in line right where we needed him.
Re: Tactful corrections of band members
Good luck with trying to change the way a person plays, it's as deeply ingrained as their personality. If he got huffy in the past, he'll probably get huffy in the future. Which is OK as long as he changes. I have no real advice to offer except approach it honestly. Something like, "we are all in agreement that there are things that you play that do not work with this band. We really need you to change them, because it's causing problems. Do you think you are able to do that?"
Let it be on him to say he if can or can't. If he says he can, that's when you stop the song when he reverts back to his old ways and call him on it. He will either change or quit. If he stays the same, then you have the option to say, "but you said you could do this.." Make him agree to it and hold him to it.
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Hey Pol, it's a difficult situation - how about recording your practice sessions and then have a dedicated "listen back" session to review what works and what doesn't.... the old saying is "the tape doesn't lie". You may only need to highlight a couple of the "misses" to get the point across - good luck
Re: Tactful corrections of band members
My first guess is that this is a guitarist.
Pocket got to the good advice first. However, It seems like what was causing this over-playing is unclear. Maybe he doesn't understand the principle of groove? Maybe his ego is kind of big. Whatever it is, it really needs to be fixed if he's ruining the tightosity of the band.
Be blunt, don't be mean, be completely honest. If he can't take it, then that's one of his faults.
"At the end of the day you just draw pretty pictures on a field and play some rimp ska dimps."
Re: Tactful corrections of band members
Thanks guys interesting replies.
Brew, yes, I think he is looking to be "more sophisticated" in his playing. This would be fine if he could execute accurately, but he can't.
I think this is because, as CHS pointed out, he doesn't "get" groove. He is a highly intelligent, cerebral guy and I think it's all in his head and not in his body. I almost never see him tapping his foot or swaying as he plays. I might pursue the idea of groove with the band more (another treble player in the group could do with this as well).
Funny thing, how some musicians think that placement of notes is simply a matter of putting them in more-or-less the right place. If they try to play things that stretch them then all they will do is place the notes rather than really play them
PFOG, he is an old friend and |'m not inclined to chop off his fingers (yet).
Hercules, the listen back session is food for thought ...
Re: Tactful corrections of band members
I'll trade you for a Stick-In-The-Mud bass player that I have to deal with!
I think of it this way, When I die, I know that I'm going to heaven, Because I've already been to hell!
There is no tactful way to tell someone that they suck!
It won't help anyway, If you tell him, He will still suck, He will just try harder not to suck!
The harder that he tries, the more he will suck!
He will then be overwhelmed with self conscious reservations from trying to hard not to suck.
I know from first hand experience.
You have heard the bassist that I speak of play.
I kind of like old drums:)
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Yeah, I have heard him, Bob. The player in our band is nowhere near as tragic so no swaps, young fella. Just as well he's a bassist, eh? A vocalist or drummer like that would render a band non-functional ...
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I just crated Phil the bassist up and I shipped him to you.
He is my gift to you so no need to send me a lame musician in return.
I put him in a box with no air holes and I sent him on a slow boat!
He should arrive at your door in about a month.
I kind of like old drums:)
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Uh, gee thanks, Bob ... can he cook, clean and debug PCs?
I gather your tractor is in for repairs ...
Re: Tactful corrections of band members
The record & playback suggestion's the best way forward imo. Arrange a band listen. Highlight a few of his worst excesses, but be sure to include a few from others too. Make him feel part of a collective band improvement drive! Clever editing & presentation is the key. Hold all band members to their promise to clear out the clutter so the band can deliver a clean clear message. If he feels he's part of the solution, not part of the problem, you'll probably get your way.
If that fails, it's Bob's tractor I'm afraid.
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You can't really fix insecurity, lack of maturity, lack of taste, listening skills or the lack of sheer playing skills.
Constant overplaying is a sure sign lack of maturity, listening skills, cluttered playing and sloppiness is lack of musicianship skills.
The core issue really is, does HE realize what he's doing?
If he does and is secretly hoping no one notices or is mean enough to point it out, you might have a small chance of improvement. Heck, I've been in situations where I'm way out of my league and in over my head and have sounded like the musical equivalent of a jackass. Good thing was I did realize I was being one though, soon afterwards.
If he doesn't, then I'm afraid its a lost cause, and you might as well grit your teeth and enjoy his friendship.
Great story about 'overdoing it'...
Halfway through the recording of 'Thriller' the Sony Music execs realized they were sitting on a gold mine and started to ride Quincy Jones about the arrangements.
When one of them asked him why there was " all this empty space" in the opening groove of Billie Jean, Quincy replied " I'm leaving a little room for God" .
How's that for diplomacy?
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My guess is there's friction between the musical idealism of his youth and his current lack of time for private practice. So he always seems a bit anxious when he plays - trying to do the double somersault with triple pike as he expects of himself, but with nowhere near enough time to practice on what is one of his secondary instruments.
Last Thurs we had an unplugged practice (such a misnomer ... amplified acoustic instruments :) He's sitting near me on a box with castor wheels. His left foot was jiggling on one of the castors making a helluva racket to me, given that I'm playing brushes with just snare, djembe & cymbal. After a while I gently asked him to stop making the noise and he seemed surprised. He was so wound up that his busy mind was blocking his ears.
In another song he was to do a solo following on from another solo. The other player played a different solo to usual because he was on acoustic guitar ... Mr X leaps into his solo totally trampling the ending line of the previous solo - sort of like Bob's tractor.
In another, a highly ethereal tune, he chose a staccato voice which he plays out of time.
Last Thurs I suggested he play a washy, legato sound and he said no, it would be too muddy with the other instruments. This is after I'd sent around a copy of the tune we played a couple of weeks ago while he was on hols, where I dubbed an old ambient piece I did decades ago over the end passage ... and it (flukily) sounded spot on. I didn't say "We should do it like this", which would have been uncool, but "Hey, listen to how this turned out - amazed!" (which I was).
If I was in his shoes I would have gone "Cool! I'm stealing that!".
I have attached the ending of that version plus last week's one - in one 2-minute file - so you can see where I'm coming from (bear in mind that in the 2nd version I was using a 10" djembe as a faux timpani as opposed to my usual 12 x 5" tom haha).
I'm not crazy, am I?? The ambient sound in the first ending is about 100x better than the dinky harpsichord in the second ending, yes???
How do you get someone to listen? Maybe I should periodically send him John Cage compositions?
Will try to arrange band listening sessions for what it's worth. Andy - I'm not inclined to turn my old friend into compost with Bob's instrument of death ... yet :)
Sorry about the long rave but I need some objective ears to say, yes Polly you are not mad and your ears aren't playing tricks on you.
Go figure(s) ...
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And, no you're not crazy. The difference between the two is obvious and he's just the way you described him.
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Yeah, I love playing that song - until the end my drumming is all just textures - space, cymbal washes and faux timpani BRRRRR rolls with mallets. As a matter of interest, what would you be getting up to with rods in the song?
But, like I said, if I was in his situation I'd be happily ripping off the ambient lines and I find his approach hard to fathom. I'm guessing that it's because he's keen on folk music and early guitar blues, which often has no percussion at all. We have very different musical mindsets.
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This is a very interesting topic as it's a situation that I think a big share of musicians will stumble into one way or the other.
I just typed a big load of improvement ideas but then I thought about the situation and re-read everything I wrote and came to a not so nice conclusion.
I'd like to share a little story of a similar situation. Im in a Genesis tribute band and we had a drummer on the drumstool for 3 years that had no sense of timing and couldn't play his instrument. Now you might know genesis and if you do, then you might have an idea what it takes from a drummer to play the stuff Phil Collins came up with in his 30 years of Genesis. The guy just couldn't play a groove straight or play a fill without f*cking up the timing (or worse, just make it trough the fill without getting lost). I already lost my interest and sat in the keyboard department 1,5 years with little to no motivation because I knew that every rehearsal would be the same story.
Why not firing him? Well because of the same reason you guys have him in the band. The social part, the friendship part.
You are playing with someone that just doesn't match up with you guys and thats the problem. I know from experience that everything mentioned will not really help sort out everything because what he need is education and a change in attitude and insight. That's very difficult to accomplish.
I think that you should try out a few things and see if he's making progress (also, consider backing tracks, playing to a click and suggesting parts although you did try the latter one). But if he doesn't make good progress (get better timing, listen and not overplay) then I think it's really important to save the friendship. What that means is that you guys have to split up as a whole or fire him (but I think the first option is better for the friendship).
It's a very hard decision and very dramatic but I really believe that if you guys want to have everything sorted out and still keep the friendship the same, it is only option that looks manageable because other options just fail and will end in a negative spiral. What happens at the end of the spiral is that you guys loose the friendship and or the project. That would be a lose lose situation. I think putting the band on hold is a lose situation but also a win situation, especially if friendship is much more important.
If the band is just to make fun and do nothing serious, then I would suggest really leaving it for what it's worth, don't have expectations and just have fun togheter. If it's serious then really get rid of him (but that will cost you a friendship, unless you are VERY diplomatically skilled or if he just sees the light and understands that he needs to work hard himself to get somewhere and leaves by himself).
Btw, our story ended with the negative spiral, costing a friendship because he just couldn't understand the problem and always thought that we where just too hard for him. We had our round of auditions and have a drummer we could only dream of, but at the cost of a friendship.
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Thanks for the salutary tale and wise words, Santi. I'm hearing you.
(BTW, thanks to all for pitching in).
Wow, a dodgy drummer trying to play Genesis. Do you feel the f/ship is retrievable in the future?
Our singer is excellent and he's more pained about it than I am, but then again Mr X is more my and the bassist's friend than his. Meanwhile the singer would be my best friend in the world so I'm caught right in the middle between two of my best pals. Haha it sounds like a daytime soap :)
There is a risk that our singer will jump if a better band makes the offer because of the situation. If he did I wouldn't blame him.
Come to think of it, when we did a demo in May this year Mr X really lifted his game and tidied up his lines. So he must be able to hear it. It's like he treats band practices like his lab, where he conducts experiments while the rest of us are trying to get things right. He should be doing most of his experimenting at home and bringing the results to the group effort IMO
I wouldn't mind if more of the experiments weren't fizzers ...
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And that brings about a slightly sneaky idea. How about posting a selection of band recordings featuring the playing crimes you describe, but under the guise of inviting critique on your drumming prowess. We, of course, will do our duty and offer our thoughts on your drumming, but also make balanced observations from a rhythm section perspective. You can select the best, then copy them out & hand them around in your next band meeting. Of course, to show it's not a stitch up, we'll have to pull you apart too. But hey, you can take it on the chin, and unconditionally offer to up your game, like the accepting egoless band hero you are!
Cool plan huh? But can you take it, even if we're only commenting for the sake of pseudo balance?
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There are situations that I'd handle differently, though. One is based on money. If the money is good, I'll play any crap you want me to play regardless of how bad I think it sounds, how much I dislike it, etc. The sole reason I'll do that is so that I can play what I do like on my own time instead, and then I don't have to worry about whether I'm going to make any money with it.
The other is if it's a band where we take turns writing out charts--I'll play whatever someone has written for me to play on their chart, and then when it's my turn, you'll play whatever I wrote for you to play on my chart.
But in a more casual situation, I'm not going to respond well to "gang pressure", people telling me what I should be playing, etc. What I'm more likely to do, if people keep pestering me about it, is play that way even more to annoy you, and I'd probably start complaining about the way you're playing as a bit of tit for tat, too. If you're shooting for "less is more", I'll keep telling you you're playing too simple, etc.--at least until you just let me play the way I want to play, and then I'll let you play the way you want to play.
What I'm most interested in musically, anyway, in a band situation, is when you've got a collection of people with very different styles and influences all working together to try to play something they each think sounds good (and by the way, because of that, I always think it's a bad idea when people are advertising for musicians for them to be looking for people into the same influences). I tend to think that the best bands are bands that have some tensions there--I think they tend to do the most interesting music, and the music that moves me emotionally the most . . . even if those tend to be the bands most difficult to keep together, at least without periodic arguments, screaming matches, maybe a few fists flying . . . lol.
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I said, "'Billie Jean' might be impressive in terms of production, but 'Scatterbrain' sounds far better to me overall--I mean, that's a monster groove, that whole song just kicks ass. It's your responsibility to make this 'Scatterbrain'-type stuff that we're playing sound as good production-wise as 'Billie Jean'". We didn't really get along that well with that producer, lol. I'm not sure how we ended up with him, because I don't think he was into the kind of music we were doing.
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I wouldn't say that he was out of time, but there are different senses of time going on--different people playing slightly ahead of or slightly behind the beat. I do not think that's necessarily a bad thing, but the way to iron it out is usually to just play with each other a lot more.
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One thing to think about is something I mentioned earlier. How about the possibility of folks in the band presenting more complete charts, or at least complete tunes with parts figured out for each musician in advance (in other words, this latter option being that they don't actually have to write the parts out (handy for players who can't read at all or can't read very well--they can just "dictate" the parts to others instead)), and then you guys take turns with that. That way, when you do a song like this, if it's your chart, then everyone plays whatever you wrote. But you play whatever they wrote when it's their turn. Would the other people in your band be up for that? It's kind of a "composers' collective" idea.
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Are you sure about the 9/8? ( kidding.. )
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Thanks for the latest gems of wisdom, gents :)
1. Larry, you have a way about you where you can get away with saying things that others can't. I can get away with things up to a point but there's no way I'd get away with Larry-esque brutal bluntness.
2. I certainly would NOT send that clip of the ex-Braindrill guy to our bass player. He is a friend and I'm not in the business of making my friends suffer :)
3. Brew, I agree. I was stoked with the flamenco-ish guitar in the unplugged (second) version. Yep, in the first version there's my ambient piece dubbed over the top (this is the ambient piece). I slowed it down, lay it over the top and voila! Total fluke ...
I feel the noodling harpsichord in the second version detracts rather than adds, but I agree that it is probably a matter of taste. I also suspect that he can't imagine getting another chance to use the harpsichord sound on the keyboard lol. I remember my period playing keys - you look for excuses to use different voices. He's been itching to use the occasionally-lifelike alto sax sound on the keyboard too ... lol ... *shudder*
4. Andy, you're a sly one ... fake a "My Playing" entry, eh? I reckon there'd be three comments ... you, Larry and Abe lol.
Brew's a renegade and I can't be sure he'd play ball :)
The danger is ... what if most decide the biggest problem is the drummer? lol
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Having said that, I think our keys boy would play at least twice as many notes as everyone else - he works damn hard for the (lack of) money.
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To be able to mesh your voice into the music rather than simply overlay it, comes with a lot of experience IMO.
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We've all been playing for yonks so it also comes down to ears and taste. Can old dogs learn new tricks? I think we are all learning new tricks as we go, or at least remembering long-forgotten old ones.
The hard part is getting past his insecurity, pride, preconceived ideas or whatever so he will consider taking my - a mere drummer's - ideas seriously.
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Indie means independent. It doesnt mean tiny company with a pitiful budget and a kickstarter with some obscure super niche idea. Trion is independent. They raised their capital, published and marketed their own game made from scratch and paid back their investors. Its textbook indie. Maybe that rubs you the wrong way, who knows. Doesnt change the fact that trion is an indie dev.
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Originally posted by Madamefate
Guild wars 2 is trash u don't even need to play teh game at all and you get take part in the whole point of the game which is pvp your boosted to 80 and get all your skills. Tired of seeing guild wars 2 is a good game it is trash and didn't live up to the hype. There is no put to lvling your character at all in guild was 2 the only good endgame is and will be pvp and you dont need to lvl for that. Stop lying to people tell the truth fanboys.
Rift is awesome and so is wow but never put guild wars 2 in the top 50 of anymore of your top mmos anymore shows how much of a moron you are.
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Originally posted by strangiato2112
Yes 10 ex-packs "BUT it DID NOT x3 the size of EQ's game world in THE FIRST EX-PACK", please read and then try to understand what you read.
Yes it does, need a link (the google is weak with this one): http://stormlegion.riftgame.com/en/
I love when some one never even looks at the site and thinks they know the game lol.
This is from the site:
Adventure across two huge new continents that more than triple the size of the existing world
Experience epic stories that reveal the true power in Telara ... and the gateway to the planes
Make your move to the island city of Tempest Bay, a new stronghold for both Guardians and Defiant"
Link the prof please, other wise it would look as if you are lying, but I know you would never do that, would you?
Really am dyslectic and I understood it,
So you are incorrect on both of your assumption, but I have helped you.
Now you know, and knowing is hafe the battle!
Originally posted by Foomerang
This is right.
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All of history is a lie. The truth depends on who does the listening, and who does the telling...
I will admit that they are really active with the content and the game did have a pretty stellar launch. To bad the gameplay was so boring that I unsubbed 2 weeks in. Felt worse than the same ole with soo many pointless abilities and quest hubs. As someone who actually enjoys the leveling process and not just getting to the max level content, the game fell terribly short due to the lack of maps and paths to level through. Glad to hear they still have some people they can please but for a sub fee they didn't deliver anything near a worthy product. This has all been my opinion and I calim it as nothing more.
/Edit.... I just read through some of the other opinions and I see I am not alone on the time it took to realize how shallow the game was and it wasn't just me.
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Originally posted by Arkain
Um, you are basing everything on a press release. Lets just say I am not basing it on a press release, even that is pushing what I am allowed to say.
And EQ's first 3 or 4 expansions may not have tripled Norrath, but they would have quintupled Telara.
Originally posted by FlawSGI
It is ok you feel that way, no game is good enugh for everyone, thats why there are sooooo meny out there.
I hope you fine your game.
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Yeah, I'm currently trying to decide between buying Storm Legion, buying Mists of Pandaria, or returning to SW:TOR this holiday season. Kinda leaning more toward Storm Legion at the moment. While something about Rift always turns me away from the game after awhile, Storm Legion seems to have a much more robust feature-set than the other two. I've already played SW:TOR through levels 1-50 and all T1 raids. The only new content would be additional raids and whatever they've added since last summer. In WoW, Pandaria would be all new, but again, Pandaria doesn't seem like it has as many unique features as Storm Legion.
Originally posted by Arkain
Okay, technically this is right, but I have never heard of someone refer to a company like Trion or Sigil as indie companies. Where the original post was dead wrong, is about Trion starting small. They did not in any way, shape or form start small. The company was founded by the VP of EA and executive producer of NC Soft. Their progammers were mostly industry veterans. Rift was formed with more talent than probably any other MMORPG out there. Given the pedigree of the company, finding finanical backing wasnt difficult and they certainly had plenty of ties and connections where needed.
As opposed to a company like CCP
joke question: would SoE be considered indie now? Because they sure as shit dont get any support from Sony. Joking aside, they probably would be better off apart from Sony.
Originally posted by SuperXero89
Buy MoP, get your $40 worth playing the new content, then go on to SL if WoW isnt holding you. MoP has certainly added more features to WoW than any other WoW xpac, but that doesnt mean they are stuff that everyone will appreciate.
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Ones again...link please (you do have one right).
With EQ, so what you are saying, is I was right, they did not x3 the size of their world.
thank you for admitting that,
you see it does not matter what they did in comparison to other worlds, only in comparison to their world.
You see, you cannot take you character out of one MMORPG to another MMORPG, you can only remake them, and even then....they will never be the same.
(And just so you know, I did play EQ up to planes of power and SOE did lie from day one even on the box, but Trion has not so I have no reason to assume they will even on your upstanding word).
Originally posted by Arkain
So you are saying that Rift should be celebrated for launching with a small game world?
And Trion doesnt lie? The shard consolidation was due to an upcoming promotion that needed more trial shards? Well its been 8 or 9 months since that and this fabled promotion hasnt come yet.
For the record I am actually very impressed with Storm Legion, they addressed a LOT of what needed to be addressed. Probably the single biggest improvement I have seen to a base game since the KoS/EoF expansions for EQ2 (keep in mind I thought both base games were mediocre, but for almost opposite reasons). But it does NOT triple the size of the game.
Originally posted by strangiato2112
WOW you can really sing the praise whin you want to. lol good going
Originally posted by SuperXero89
Both are good games
Look at the 2 vids and make up your own mind:
Mist of Pandaria:
Storm Legion:
What ever you pick, you should have a good time.
Originally posted by strangiato2112
If there is no link, it is only your opinion, not a fact.
Yes, in meany ways that worked out quit well for them (I was in the close bata test for RIFT, when it was first release),
The larger the world, the more errors you must find and kill.
There are still errors that EQ, EQ2, and Vanguard teams have not been able to fix, in their BIG worlds.
SOE has put all 3 games to the FTP market, to get new life in to them.
Starting with a more sutable size world was a great idea for Trion first game, less bug and errors to find and fix,
but as you said, "Their progammers were mostly industry veterans".
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Can I see the link for that, please?
Originally posted by Arkain
1. If you cant tell where I am getting my informaton from, well I don't know what to tell you.
2. In many ways the small world worked out for them, except for that whole HORRIBLE RETENTION issue they have had. And yes, world size was a major factor in that, especially lack of zone options to level in
3. EQ and EQ2 do not have many, if any, bugs related to world size. Not saying they are bug free, no games are. And VG wasnt a SoE game, theyve just tried to fix up the mess
4. Both EQ and EQ2 were doing better than Rift at this point in their lifespans. SL might just be good enough to put it over EQ2. But Trion would jump for joy at EQ level of success, only one western MMORPG has had more long term success than EQ (WoW, obviously)
5. Yes, their programmers were industry vets, and it shows. Surprisingly, its the...I hate to use this word....vision behind the game that really hurt Rift. It was a WoW clone. As Hartsman has turned Rift more into an EQ2 inspired game than a WoW inspired game it has slowly improved, and Storm Legion should further that.
6. Here is your link about the trial servers http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/431/view/news/page/5/read/23195/Rift-Server-Changes-Confirmed-Clarified.html
Originally posted by strangiato2112
Answer to 1:
You can understand why I do not trust you in that, don't you?
If you are, you are breaking NDA and that would make you dishonest, and if you are not, then you are lying with what you are inferring.
Answer to 2:
The game has made money, enugh not to go free to play, and to get an ex-pack.
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Vanguard is the best of the 3 games, its the one that could net them the most
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At this point in EQ's life it had no competition, so that does not mater nor does it compaire to RIFT.
At this point in EQ2's life it was getting its backside handed to itself by, of all things World of Warcraft, It was supposed to be the successor insteed it was beat down by Orcs vs. Humans.
A to 5:
If you are going to copy something, you copy the leader.
Thats what WoW did, it took the best of EQ, and improved on it. That got them up to 14 mil paying players.
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WoW, you got me a link, after I gave you so meany.
Not quite a lie, that may have been thier plain at the time, they may have been looking at a FTP done the same as EQ2.
Good but you can do better then that, can't you?
EQ lied about having 5 enormous contients when there was only 2 and an island, and this was on the box!
So find something that maches this in scope from Trion,
Can you?
you have some time to fine it, I'm going to get some sleep.
By the way, this has been a really good debate, so thank you.
Originally posted by Arkain
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Originally posted by zevni78
Totally agree. I ended up getting bored of Rift's linear gameplay and old gear grind. Been there done that far too many times. I was expecting something new with all that "blah blah blah" about dinamic events and rifts.
Now, while Rift was not my game, I have to salute Trion for the smoothest launch ever, for extensive and exhaustive betas were the playerbase feedback was paid attention to and for extremelly frequent updates and fast bug tackling.
Trion is a company I respect and I will be paying attention to their releases.
Edit: I also agree on the combat system thing. Please, we had plenty of years of tab-targetting. Isn't it enough by now? Our computers and your servers can do more, lots more nowadays.


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