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Constantine is alive and living in Germany
David Gibson September 21, 2012 - 4:24pm
Or at least Constantinianism:
PARIS (Reuters)- Germany's Roman Catholic bishops have decreed that people who opt out of a "church tax" should not be given sacraments and religious burials, getting tougher on worshippers who choose not to pay.Alarmed by a wave of dissenting Catholics quitting the faith, the bishops issued a decree on Thursday declaring such defection "a serious lapse" and listed a wide range of church activities from which they must be excluded.Germans officially registered as Catholics, Protestants or Jews pay a religious tax of 8 or 9 percent of their annual tax bill. They can avoid this by declaring to their local tax office that they are leaving their faith community.The annual total of church leavers, usually around 120,000, rocketed to 181,193 two years ago as revelations about decades of sexual abuse of children by priests shamed the hierarchy and prompted an apology from German-born Pope Benedict."This decree makes clear that one cannot partly leave the Church," a statement from the bishops conference said. "It is not possible to separate the spiritual community of the Church from the institutional Church."
Okay, I'm down with that last sentiment. But the "healthy secularist" American in me, and maybe some little strand of Tea Party DNA, recoils from not just the altar-and-throne system but also its use as a spiritual cudgel. Are the defections from the church and the church tax perhaps interrelated?Or am I wrong here? Aufklrung welcome.
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"Show me the money."I hope that intelligent German Catholics will invite their fear-mongering, money-grubbing hierarchs to [fill in the blank]."Catholics who leave can no longer receive sacraments, except for a special blessing before death, the decree states."Keep your stinkin' "special blessing". I don't think God's gonna' give a damn one way or the other!
This runs counter to my instincts. The whole taxation system seems very strange to me.As a thought experiment, though, is this an apt parallel? A college student who refuses to pay tuition because he dislikes the administration is expelled from the school and barred from attending classes. I think there is widespread agreement that this is a just outcome. How is what the bishops are doing any different?
Time to reform the German tax code?
how about a cry of "taxation without representation?" Do they have a lay or at least mixed panel r viewing this "tax," things would be different if so perhaps????
Jim, I think it doesn't work on a couple of points. One is that this is a system set up and administered by the government. If the church set this up and one signed up for it, or not, well, that's different. But I think the theology and ecclesiology are not quite right -- or I'm just guessing because I don't know. But levying a set rate for a church tax and making it a condition of full access to the sacraments seems wrong. This gets into the larger issue of the idea of the offering, which implies (I think) voluntary donation and sacrifice. The other cultural issue is about donations and tithing etc. Protestants have a much more highly developed sense of giving, perhaps stemming from their sense of ownership and of the congregational aspect of the church. Catholicism is a more centralized model, to be sure. Some say that dissuades giving. Catholics are the 47 percent, you might say. There is also the physical aspect of donating money. I recently signed up for the "greener" automatic donation at my parish, but I still like to throw a few mites in the basket because I feel that action is so important. Well, actually I want my daughter to learn that it's important, and above all I don't want my fellow parishioners to think I'm a skinflint. So I wrap up the dollar bill really tight and pray they'll think it's a $20...
Who gets the proceeds of the Church tax? And, how would they know who on the communion line didn't pay the tax? And how do you enforce it against an infant being baptised, they don't have any money. And confessionals are anonymous. This seems like a decree people could pretty comfortably ignore.
Irene, I think you need to produce paper proof that you are on the rolls for some of those things. Alot of the money goes to charity, as well as upkeep of churches (in Italy priests are paid by the state at least in part I believe, maybe Germany?) and a big chunk goes to support the Vatican. The German church is the biggest donor to the Holy See after the American church.
"How is what the bishops are doing any different?"Are you equating the church tax with tuition, i.e., a fee for service?If you pay you can pray?
David, two points:1) A mark of a cult is difficulty in leaving. A cult uses all sorts of means to keep people from breaking free: shunning, threatening, etc. 2) In the great Chief Inspector Gamache mysteries, the Canadian characters use religious words as curse words. "Tabernac", e.g. And the point is made about how old people who were devout all their lives now HATE the church, because of its betrayal of them with the sexual abuse/cover-up. People who would never have thought they would be buried without a funeral mass, now leave the obsequies to funeral homes. No religious involvement. I don't know if that's true or not, but it rings true in the books, set in Quebec. The latest one is set in a monastery. Theme: Gregorian chant. Another great one by Louise Penny.http://www.amazon.com/Beautiful-Mystery-Chief-Inspector-Gamache/dp/03126...
I'm dumbfounded by this action of the German bishops. Is this part of the "New Evangelization?" People have long gotten angry with some part of the church. The pastoral move is to seek to reconcile with them. Instead this move amounts to a personal interdict. If this is consistent with good pastoring, then I'm a monkey's uncle.I can make no sense whatsoever of Jim P.'s analogy.
I attended mass in the Salzburg Cathedral (Austria has the same church tax as Germany) and at the time of the collection I put in 10 euros. A woman to my right did a double take. After mass she spoke to me, firs in German and then when I looked blank, in English. She explained that she was surprised to see such a "large" offering. They all pay the tax so the actual collections are token contributions. These churches depend heavily on the tax. Without it they'd be in deep doo-doo. And you know that the Vatican is used to getting major donations from Germany, as well.
This coming Sunday's first reading is a fitting description of this refusal of Christian burials to some who have refused to pay taxes out of anger at the sexual abuse scandal: The wicked say:"Let us beset the just one, because he is obnoxious to us;he [..] reproaches us for transgressions of the law.[...] Let us put the just one to the test.[...]Let us condemn him to a shameful death."These were their thoughts, but they erred;for their wickedness blinded them.
Canon law doesn't recognize someone to have left Catholicism unless they publically repudiate the faith (as Jehovah's Witnesses must, in writing, for example).Further, Catholics have a right to the sacraments. This too is enshrined in Canon law.It must be the case, therefore, that canonically speaking, those who opt out of the tax are doing so by means of formally and officially declaring themselves no longer Catholic. Therefore, as unpalatable as it may be, what the bishops are doing is only spelling out the consequences of this public and official repudiation of Catholic faith.Whether one renounces Catholicism because of religious reasons or because of moral objections or because of not liking the way things are run doesn't really change the fact that you've renounced it.It seems to me the German bishops are treating their people as if they are responsible adults, and their word matters. The way in which this story is told is to present the matter as pay or go. I suspect the reporting is biased. I very much doubt that the German bishops have succumbed to the sin of simony, and are selling the sacraments.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/catholics-to-exclude-dodgers-...The issue was forced on to the agenda by the refusal of a prominent Catholic academic to pay the tax. Hartmut Zapp, a retired canon lawyer, was taken to court but claimed his religious rights. "What bothers me is that a member of the church of Christ loses his soul because of a declaration before a state authority," he said.http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/0921/1224324232305.htmlAnyone unwilling to pay can fill in a form at a state office. German bishops interpret this as a conscious break with the church but the Vatican said this step was not evidence of a clear schism and grounds for excommunication. In a compromise with the Vatican, bishops will ask priests to write to anyone planning to leave, warning of the consequences and inviting them to meet. If the reaction of the believer . . . can be attributed to a schismatical, heretical or apostatical act, the bishops write, appropriate measures will be taken.
Hierarchs cutting off their nose to save their face. Is that justice or what?!?Pretty soon the Catholic German people may get the idea of who needs this hierarchy after all?
Apparently Zapp argued he could leave the church as Krperschaft without thereby leaving the Religionsgemeinschaft. This argument had some success in court, and this may have alarmed Benedict XVI in swinging in on the bishops' side, whereas previously the Vatican resisted them on this point. http://www.badische-zeitung.de/suedwest-1/in-der-katholischen-kirche-ohn...
Cardinal Reinhard Marx of Munich says the Church can live without the Kirchensteuer. http://www.stern.de/news2/aktuell/kardinal-marx-stoesst-diskussion-ueber... last year's papal visit, Archbishop Robert Zollisch assured the flock that Benedict XVI did not call for abolition of the tax. http://www.stern.de/news2/aktuell/papst-hat-keine-abschaffung-der-kirche...
Here is another case (Andreas Janker) -- in which again we see that Rome resisted the idea that not paying takes sufficed to make one an ex-member of the Catholic community. http://www.regensburg-digital.de/katholisch-ohne-kirchensteuer-der-vatik...
The Church in Germany is in a tumultuous state, similar to Austria's. This is one small item. With apologies for a very crudely translated summary, here's part of one biased view in June from We Are Church Germany, when 2011 statistics came out. http://www.wir-sind-kirche.de/index.php?id=128&id_entry=4110 * From 2010 to 2011, church attendance down from 12.6 to 12.3%, and priests, parishes, and funerals down 2% * Baptisms in 2011 = 2/3 number of burials * Other Problems: -- Augsburg: Protests against the "pastoral planning 2025" by Bishop Dr. Zdarsa;-- Munich: Disappointment with the contempt of diocesan Future Forum by Cardinal Marx; -- Hildesheim: Banned from performing Pastor Helmut Schller of the Austrian priest initiative by Bishop Trelle;-- Regensburg: Naming Catholic reform groups as "parasitic elements" by Bishop Mller; -- The slow start-up initiated by the bishops of the 2010 "dialogue process", quickly downgraded to a non-binding "interview process" and - especially in the dioceses - very slowly progressing;-- Current debate about the re-admission of divorced Married to the sacraments Pope Benedict XVI in Milan again issued a denial. Prospects are unclear.
"It must be the case, therefore, that canonically speaking, those who opt out of the tax are doing so by means of formally and officially declaring themselves no longer Catholic. "Therefore, as unpalatable as it may be, what the bishops are doing is only spelling out the consequences of this public and official repudiation of Catholic faith."Rita, are you not confusing church with faith? I left the Church of Rome, for example, by notifying my pastor in writing of my decision. I made it clear, however, that I was not renouncing my basic Catholic faith. I now describe myself as "Catholic in faith, if no longer Roman by formal affiliation". I no longer attend church services at my former parish or anywhere else. I am one of those Catholics who (for now, anyway) has gone nowhere.***************"As a thought experiment, though, is this an apt parallel? A college student who refuses to pay tuition because he dislikes the administration is expelled from the school and barred from attending classes. I think there is widespread agreement that this is a just outcome. How is what the bishops are doing any different?"Good question, Jim.No tuition payment = Ineligible for receipt of educational services.No church tax paid = Ineligible for receipt of religious services.Your question reminded me of Luke 10:1-12:1 After this the Lord appointed seventy [-two] others whom he sent ahead of him in pairs to every town and place he intended to visit. 2 He said to them, The harvest is abundant but the laborers are few; so ask the master of the harvest to send out laborers for his harvest. 3 Go on your way; behold, I am sending you like lambs among wolves. 4 Carry no money bag, no sack, no sandals; and greet no one along the way. 5 Into whatever house you enter, first say, Peace to this household. 6 If a peaceful person lives there, your peace will rest on him; but if not, it will return to you. 7 Stay in the same house and eat and drink what is offered to you, for the laborer deserves his payment. Do not move about from one house to another. 8 Whatever town you enter and they welcome you, eat what is set before you, 9 cure the sick in it and say to them, The kingdom of God is at hand for you.'10 Whatever town you enter and they do not receive you, go out into the streets and say, 11 The dust of your town that clings to our feet, even that we shake off against you. Yet know this: the kingdom of God is at hand. 12 I tell you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom on that day than for that town.Jesus says, "Stay in the same house and eat and drink what is offered to you, for the laborer deserves his payment."On the surface, it would seem that Jesus expects listeners to provide food, drink, and shelter for those who preach, teach, and heal in his name. What should happen, however, if the listeners accept the Christian message but do not see the link between the teaching, on the one hand, and the behavior of the "laborer", on the other hand? What to do if the listeners see hypocrisy, irresponsibility, lack of leadership? In his commentary on Matthew 16:19, scripture scholar Raymond Brown writes:"Is it the power to forgive/not forgive sins (as in John 20:23) or to teach what must be observed, with the result that Peter is the chief rabbi? That this section follows a warning against the teaching of the Pharisees and Saducees [Mt 16:5-12] may tilt the odds in favor of the latter, and notice that in [Mt] 23:13 the scribes and Pharisees are criticized for locking the kingdom of heaven to human beings." Brown reminds us that Jesus later tells Peter, Get away from me, Satan! You are an obstacle in my way [Mt 16:23] ((AN INTRODUCTION TO THE NEW TESTAMENT, ABRC/Doubleday, 1997).As I see it, if Jesus didn't hesitate to challenge and criticize various religious authorities, and if subsequent Christian communities essentially chose their leadership, and if this communal participation was acknowledged as legitimate by several popes, should Catholics today "pay" religious leaders in whose selection the laity had no role, no voice, especially when these leaders behave in ways at odds with the gospel message and ancient Christian practice?In Matthew 23:1-7, we might have a proper solution to the German situation:1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. 3 Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice. 4 They tie up heavy burdens [hard to carry] and lay them on peoples shoulders, but they will not lift a finger to move them. 5 All their works are performed to be seen. They widen their phylacteries and lengthen their tassels. 6 They love places of honor at banquets, seats of honor in synagogues, 7 greetings in marketplaces, and the salutation Rabbi. If religious leaders' ministry is that of Jesus, then it involves preaching, teaching, and healing. Primitive practice would add governing since Jesus did not establish any institutional structures, mechanisms, etc. With governance comes accountability to Jesus and the People of God. In the absence of any decision making role in the institutional church, the only corrective mechanism available to the laity is the opening and closing of the pocketbook. Let the official teachers preach, but do not follow their example. And do not subsidize their example.Education is a service.Preaching is a ministry.Ultimately, they are not the same.
"Rita, are you not confusing church with faith?"Joe J.,This is precisely the point that the German bishops seem to be making, from the admittedly sketchy and arbitrary reportage I have seen so far: There is no legitimate way to divorce Catholic faith from the Church, leaving one but not the other. The Catholic faith doesn't float free of the Church. (The real question, in this instance, seems to be what does taxation have to do with, uh, anything.)While I have some sympathy with your point of view, which parallels the thought of some of the reformers, in fairness I think we have to allow that for bishops to say that the Catholic faith is integrally joined to the Church's hierarchy and institutions is a clearly defined, orthodox position. It should not surprise anybody. The Reformation challenged this point, of course, but it has never been conceded.
Rita: Your analysis fails to take into account the motive of a Catholic who opts out of the tax. Without that information, the bishops of Germany seem to be overstepping their authority rather egregiously.
"Further, Catholics have a right to the sacraments. This too is enshrined in Canon law."Rita --The bishops have an obligation according to canon law to provide priests to provide the sacraments. But although churches are closing for lack of priests, the bishops refuse to allow laicized priest (REAL PRIESTS) to say Mass and administer the sacraments, and they refuse to ordain married men, which was acceptable to Jesus Himself.Canon law is, in fact, one big fag joke. Forget it. It is irrelevant.
Oops -- should be" one big fat joke".
Joe J" I am one of those Catholics who (for now, anyway) has gone nowhere."One cannot be much of a Christian in any meaningful sense without being in a worshiping community. Sorry. It just doesn't work. We all want a perfect church with no fuss and no muss. Won't find that this side of heave (where mercifully, there will be no institutional church just the communion of saints). Join another Christian body of believers? Well, that's another whole kettle of fish. But a solitary Christian is an oxymoron. And for someone who has gone "nowhere," I have rarely seen someone more interested in the insider baseball politics of the Catholic Church than you (or maybe me). Sorry, Charlie. You can't call yourself a Catholic in any meaningful (though maybe in strictly canonical way) if you are never at the Sunday Eucharist. I know these words may sound harsh but having read your 100's of your posts, I know you are no stranger to tough words
Ann Olivier,I am not sure if you are familiar with the name Ladislas Orsy, SJ. If you are not, I suggest you do a bit of homework and find out who he is and his work. I have fairly strong feeling that he might disagree with your statement: "Canon law is, in fact, one big fat joke. Forget it. It is irrelevant." Just a simple suggestion on the first night of autumn.AA
How would my Uncle Ben, an ordinary decent Catholic who has had a few run-ins with his local clergy read the decision by the German bishops? My guess is that it would go something like this:You bishops have something (the sacraments) that we people need. We have something you want and to some extent need, namely money. Now you say: "No money, no sacraments." Of course, this is not the whole story. But it sure is going to be part of the story for more than a few people. How do the bishops persuade the Uncle Bens of this world that there is some other way of reading what they have done? I think that the German bishops have bungled both substantively and tactically. Citing Canon Law to my Uncle Ben is a sure fire way to make him head for the hills.I repeat:What would the Good Shepherd do? Say that since you haven't played ball you're throuwn off the team?
An addendum to my previous comment: Or suppose Uncle Ben says:"O.k., I need the sacraments. You have them. I guess I'll just have to pay up." What a great way to build community!
Hi, folks, as I say, the whole taxation thing seems very strange - it is strange (and probably not right) for the government to *compel* tithing. (I guess this is a conservative's reaction - it's an unjust tax :-))All I know about the situation is what I've read in David G's post. Based on that, my take is the same as Rita's - that refusal to pay the tax is taken as tantamount to a public declaration that one is no longer a member of the church.That Catholics have a right to the sacraments certainly seems a salient point. It's shocking to me that the German bishops would withhold them, which seems to be the case here, yes? On the other hand, American bishops also draw a line in the sand and say, "these groups of people may not receive the sacraments." So it's not as if lines aren't being drawn by church authorities all over the world; it's a question of where they get drawn, and whether or not they're drawn justly, I guess.It also seems to me that, in tandem with a right to the sacraments, there is a duty to support the church. Certainly, that is a duty that far too many Catholics shirk, either by giving nothing at all or by giving in a miserly fashion. (And pastors know who is which in this respect, as the envelope system allows them to track it). I've never really considered what the consequences of a failure to provide support to the church should be. Apparently, the German bishops think it should be severe. Too severe, in my view.I really think that our model in the US of voluntary support, which really does rely on the new evangelization for financial sustenance, is better.
The point here is: If you are baptized and confirmed in the Catholic Church, had your marriage according to the canon laws of the Church, even had your children baptized, confirmed, and brought up with the teachings of the Catholic Church, how can you be denied a Catholic burial because you have not paid the government tax that is given to the Church and had have had to declare that you are not Catholic anymore? Something is wrong here.
Give me separation of church and state any day.
According to the Univ. of Mannheim, you are not required to pay the tax if you belong to the Anglican Church or the Orthodox Church. Taxpayers registered as belonging to Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Reformed Protestant, and some Protestant Free Churches must pay. In 2004, a proposal was made to give taxpayers a break on their church tax in hopes of reducing the large numbers then abandoning churches, some presumably to save on taxes. As far as I know, nothing has been effective in slowing the continuous, growing outflow. http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,1168497,00.html
"Rita: Your analysis fails to take into account the motive of a Catholic who opts out of the tax. Without that information, the bishops of Germany seem to be overstepping their authority rather egregiously."Grant (and others),My comment is based on the hypothesis that the person has renounced their membership in the Catholic Church. If it's only a matter of not paying a tax, this is all out the window. So recall that I made this hypothesis depend on something other than the tax, which, frankly, is the only way that I can see them getting this past canon law. I was speaking of the situation in objective terms, in an effort to understand what might be going on. I really don't think its likely that the German bishops are selling the sacraments. On the subjective side, you ask, what about the motive of the person who renounces their membership in the Church? From the point of view of pastoral care, you are right. This does indeed matter. I would only add that we have seen no primary sources here. What did the bishops actually say? What other types of solutions were proposed? Are they just being mean? I honestly don't know, and I don't think we've got the whole story. But I cannot imagine that the German bishops have it in mind to send a lot of people to their graves without the sacraments because they are piqued over problems with fundraising. Which brings me to Ann's comment. The right to the sacraments includes the right to have them conferred by the proper authority; I think your example of "withholding Eucharist" by not allowing resigned priests to celebrate Mass is loaded with assumptions that aren't shared by the hierarchy. The absence of Eucharist doesn't mean that canon law is a joke. It means that the right to the sacraments is framed by the conditions of possibility of offering them validly. I totally agree that the hierarchy should be bending over backwards to solve the problem of the priest shortage and that they aren't. But that doesn't make canon law or sacramental discipline therefore a joke. Catholics in Korea waited for generations under persecution to celebrate Eucharist; they practiced baptism, which they could do in the absence of a priest. This was no joke either. It's a really sad comment that hardly anybody here finds it even slightly implausible that the German bishops are out for money, and will withhold sacraments to get it.
AA ==Yes, I've heard of Orsay. In spite of his erudition, I doubt he could convince me that any legal system whose commands may be legally ignored or adjusted at the sole discretion of the law-giver is anything but a bad joke. And that goes for both the legislative and judicial branches of "the system". The pope does what he wants to do, as do the hierarchs to whom he delegates his veto authority.
Does anyone know what the tax rate is? Somewhere in my memory the figure of 8% of annual income is stirring around. But that seems so out of bounds, I wonder if it can possibly be true.
Rita -- Primary sources are available from the German Bishops Conference. It has issued a press release about its General Decree on leaving the Church with links to the Decree and the Pastoral Letter to the departing person. The law becomes effective Sept 24, 2012. http://www.dbk.de/presse/details/?presseid=2168&cHash=39c11c115b880e0470... It is explicit that a partial exit cannot occur. Trans: "It is not possible to separate a "spiritual community church" [from] the "institutional church." Only one exit from the "institution" is not possible." Except in the state of Bremen, the actual resignation is made before a civil authority. In Bremen, an ecclesiastical authority. A long list is quite specific about all that one may no longer have and do after leaving in addition to sacraments -- roles, functions, council memberships, votes, godparenthood, etc. The bishops are very serious about seeing that you don't get what you don't pay for.Carolyn -- 8-9% is the number I have consistently seen.
Consider the people in those countries of the world where they yield to pressure and find themselves publicly declaring that they are no longer Catholic, to avoid various penalties and various degrees of persecution, while still continuing to practice their faith in secret. Should they also be denied the sacraments?
From Reuters out of Germany:"Germans officially registered as Catholics, Protestants or Jews pay a religious tax of 8 or 9 percent of their annual tax bill. They can avoid this by declaring to their local tax office that they are leaving their faith community.That's more like it - it's a percent of one's annual tax bill, not gross income. Still, what a disastrous approach to financing churches.Gerelyn, i find it highly probable German bishops would withhold the sacraments in order to get more money. Put those laity in their place all right.I attended a day's workshop with Orsy; he is no one's fool.
Laity are going to have to do the Catholic burials anyway, I did the 'whole' thing, led vigil and graveside.. except for the Mass done at the usual weekday 9am Mass time for some of my relations. . the priest shortage is real. Bishop Tobin in Providence RI writes in a national column that he doesn't want family remembrances at the Mass.. except for the clergy and maybe the top 10% of the diocese. maybe extra fat checks will need to be slipped to the parish so that the 'kids' can say nice things about grandma after communion. .
David Gibson (4.56 pm}"There is also the physical aspect of donating money. I recently signed up for the greener automatic donation at my parish, but I still like to throw a few mites in the basket because I feel that action is so important.Well, actually I want my daughter to learn that its important, and above all I dont want my fellow parishioners to think Im a skinflint. So I wrap up the dollar bill really tight and pray theyll think its a $20"Many churches in England encourage regular Direct Debit payments from one's current account. This raises the matter of visible example. At an Anglican church where I worship most Sundays they have a system for DD contributors of taking a small ticket as they go in to the service which states that this represents their automatically mandated offering. This ticket is then put in the Offertory bowl. Those who do not contribute by DD can either put in open cash or take a small envelope into which they put their offering. If they are Income Tax-payers, they are encouraged to designate this as "Gift Aid" which necessitates providing personal details for the Inland Revenue who then repay the tax paid on that amount (25%) to the specific Church.Seems a good system to me. Anyone in desperately straightened circumstances could take an envelope and put in a few small coins without embarrassment. This system is not used in my Catholic church.Do German Christians who earn too little to pay Income Tax have to pay church tax on their benefit payments?
What a hell of a mess Germany is :-( Something strikes me as particularly unChristian about the bishops' move, but I am also always struck at Mass by the people who don't put anything in the basket too. The clergy has a real gripe there, it seems to me. (Is it any wonder Rand said the churches sacrificed justice to mercy?) And what about the patent fact that some of the people are officially taking themselves off the Church rolls. They aren't being by default for not paying up before -- they are choosing to remove themselves. Here, if a church continued to list a person who officially quit the church as a member of a church, I bet the church could be sued. Sure, the whole system of the government collecting dues, so to speak is a bad one, But I don't think starving my pastor out is a solution either. In justice, we do owe them a living.But what about the bishops who don't produce the priests we laity have a right to when there are priests available? Are they really outside of the Church because they don't do their duty? Is there such a thing as being rather Catholic? Somewhat? Mostly?
Oh my, I have no qualms at all passing the basket right by me without putting anything in. Whatever I have available goes to SNAP, VOTF and Bishop-Accountability.Perhaps one's skin thickens after being yelled at by church-goers defending complicit bishops.Sacrificing mightily for some years to give a five-figure amount (when that was even possible) and not receiving any thank-you acknowledgements from pastors helps too. I feel more than paid up. The sense of entitlement was remarkable.
"Sacrificing mightily for some years to give a five-figure amount (when that was even possible) and not receiving any thank-you acknowledgements from pastors helps too."I feel that way about my parish and archdiocesan donations too. Those are my largest church donations and they seem kind of taken for granted. My husband made a modest donation to SNAP and he received the acknowledgement letter with a little personalized note on it (I kept holding it up to different kids of light, trying to figure out if it was really handwritten or machine-generated made to look handwritten;I'm that unaccustomed to getting any real acknowledgement).And when the LCWR had their troubles, I made a donation and along with a thank you note, they sent me a really cool DVD about women religious in America.Maybe parishes and dioceses don't feel the need to say thanks because in a sense it's us supporting ourselves?
Just FYI, my post link to the full Reuters story, by Tom Heneghen, which you can read for more info. I simply gave an excerpt. Tom is a longtime religion writer who has lived in Europe for decades and speaks fluent German. I suspect his story is a pretty good account of what is going on, judging of what I can make from the link to the original German documents. But other sources are welcome. In any case, while I am in full solidarity with Rita's point about the unity with the institutional church, I still cannot get my head around using a state tax to determine whether one can have access to the sacraments. If you disagree with this taxation system -- which I well might if I lived there -- you cannot even conscientiously object without being deprived of the sacraments. How can that be just?
"My comment is based on the hypothesis that the person has renounced their membership in the Catholic Church. If its only a matter of not paying a tax, this is all out the window. So recall that I made this hypothesis depend on something other than the tax, which, frankly, is the only way that I can see them getting this past canon law. I was speaking of the situation in objective terms, in an effort to understand what might be going on. I really dont think its likely that the German bishops are selling the sacraments."Rita: You're also assuming that the German bishops wouldn't do anything like this without consulting canon lawyers. I wouldn't make that assumption. And I doubt any canonist worth his weight would agree that a Catholic's decision not to pay this tax was sufficient to warrant excommunication. The only offenses that bring about automatic excommunication are: apostasy, heresy, or entering into schism; profaning the Eucharist, physically attacking the pope; absolving an accomplice in the sin of adultery; consecrating a bishop illicitly; violating the seal of confession; and getting an abortion.I suppose a canonist might in desperationg make the argument that opting out of this tax amounts to apostasy, but that is ridiculous on its face.
Hi Grant,Let's clarify what is happening here. Your comment suggests that people go before a judge and say "I refuse to pay the church tax."But from what I've read here, that does not describe what happens.Rather, people go before a judge and make a formal statement that "I am no longer a member of the Catholic Church." In the way you've framed it, this statement "I am no longer a Catholic" seems not to exist, or to be unable to be taken seriously. Have I missed something here?Personally, I do think that if people go before a judge and renounce their membership in the Catholic Church, the Church ought to accept that, and not treat them like babies who didn't really mean it. Is it OK to lie about your faith in court, to obtain tax breaks? OK, then, let's say the person has spoken the truth. He or she is no longer a Catholic. What you are then proposing is that the sacraments and ministries of the Church which are normally limited to Catholics should be extended to all. That's a position that is possible to take. All that I am pointing out is that this doesn't square with Church teaching, and so one should not be surprised if the bishops don't embrace it.There are a lot of people who indeed want a church with no boundaries. A totally spiritual concept. No obligations either. That's a position that has been argued. Christ gave all for all, and the Church should have no outside or inside. Sacraments are for everyone at any time, no matter what. It's a point of view. It's just not the point of view upheld by the hierarchy. That's my point.I completely agree that contributions to church should be voluntary and not imposed by the state. The German system is in need of reform, as I see it. Yes, I would agree. But it will only be reformed if the faithful Catholics do not stand up in court to renounce their faith, but rather protest against the tax per se -- as some have done.
I think Catholics should do a better job of supporting our Church, but isn't this system a little like selling indulgences? Don't we frown on pay to play?
David G.You have put your finger on a key point here, I believe:"If you disagree with this taxation system which I well might if I lived there you cannot even conscientiously object without being deprived of the sacraments. How can that be just?"Conscientious objection should be allowed.
Irene, that's exactly my point about simony.Do you think that's what is happening?
Practical wisdom tailors the application of laws to fit individual circumstances. (Cf. Aristotle and Aquinas). How does this action of the German hierarchy allow for the exercise of practical wisdom?Pity the poor good pastors on the ground trying to explain all this to grieving people, to harried folk who don't have the time or training to parse the niceties of who is and who isn't worthy to go to confession, to receive the Anointing of the Sick, to have a Christian burial.And all this was approved by Rome?If nothing else, this action shows how deeply the remove (so-called elevation) of the hierarchy above the faithful has taken hold of some significant part of the hierarchy. And does Jesus not weep for His poor people?
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I could eat here every day. I get a salad and generally can't go wrong.
I used to love this place but the training is too uneven- I'm exhausted most of the time trying to explain what actions need to be taken. Last time u walked out and went to PF Changs next door. When the employee is trained properly this can be a wonderful place for soft tacos, salads or burrito bowls.
Says its gluten free, but there is a lot of cross contamination. I have been there twice and both times got sick.
Has about a 75/25 record. 75% of the time it's delicious and safe, but 25% of the time it's delicious but contaminated. Riskier choice to eat at.
72-333 Hwy. 111, Unit A, Palm Desert, CA 92260
The crew was absolutely incredible! I went with my mom at around 3 when it wasn't too busy and the guy got new spoons, washed his hands, and put new gloves on. Best Chipotle service ever!
3216 Trindle Rd, Camp Hill, PA 17011
I'd be curious to find out if there are any hidden gluten ingredients, but generally despite cross contamination I consider Chipotle to be a good celiac friendly place to eat.
3757 South Gilbert Rd., Suite 110, Gilbert, AZ 85297
My husband usually goes in for take out and he is always impressed with the amount of care the team puts into preparing our meals and it is every time he goes in.
12478 Route 35 NW, Jeffersonville, OH 43128
Couldn't eat here. Watched the line servers fling burritos over rice which then hung partially into the pans as they slid them down. We also witnessed bowls being held over salsa after they slid down a contaminated surface. I didn't even want guacamole & chips here bc of the fear of cc. This was the fastest, most efficient Chip I've ever seen & the servers friendly but it's definitely not a safe place for Celiacs. Won't be back.
3726 National Rd. E, Richmond, IN 47374
Hugely impressed! Mentioned celiac and immediately the staff changed gloves, wiped down the serving line and replaced the utensils and serving bins with fresh food to avoid cross-contamination. Outstanding service and awareness!
301 W. Franklin St., Chapel Hill, NC 27516
Perfect every time!!!!
1934 W. Main Street, Troy, OH 45373
WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS HOW AMAZING CHIPOTLE IS!!!! If you tell them it is for an allergy, no matter how busy it is, they wipe down all the counters, change their gloves, utensils, etc. With a smile on their face the whole time. It is one of the few places I can eat safely. Also Sinfully Gluten free has the best GF pizza and food items. Jsk
11440 Midlothian Turnpike, Richmond, VA 23235
This is my go-to spot for gluten free on the run. I eat here at least weekly. Always get rice, chicken, veggies, mild salsa and sour cream. Watch out for cheese and lettuce bc they put gloved hands that have been touching wheat wraps all day long deep into the pans on these items. I seem to have mild reactions after their corn chips and thus no longer eat them.
1005 Gray Ave., Yuba City, CA 95991
Everything is GF except the flour tortillas of course. When I tell the staff I am gluten-free they change their gloves and only one staff member handles the entire order. My only complaint with chipotle is that most restaurants staff use their hands to grab the cheese. So if one staff member that handled a tortilla reaches in for cheese, they risk cross contaminating the cheese. I would suggest tongs for the cheese as they use them for everything else. I did ask the worker if I could have the cheese from a new bin and he obliged without question. So that was much appreciated. I will keep coming back!
5955 Kingstowne Towne Center, Alexandria, VA 22315
The didn't really know what I was talking about. The lady who served me said she wasn't allowed to leave her station but the other lady's didn't want to change there gloves. I will admit I went at a very busy time. Half way through someone told one of the other lady's to man the first spot so the line started moving again. Up until then all four lady's just stood back and let the First Lady work. The cash register lady told the other lady where to find the in contaminated items. At the end she asked what I was allergic to and I told her the flour tortillas. She said OH! Now I get it, we have never had someone ask us to do this before. She then apologized. Over all it was ok and I was able to eat my food feeling safe. I felt bad I went at such a busy time. The three states was because there was a lot of eye rolling in the beginning, I think now it was not because of me but the other lady's not helping her but I asked her to stop because I was already uncomfortable.
876 Commonwealth Ave, Brookline, MA 02215
My husband is celiac, we come here all the time and they are great about allergies. He's never gotten sick from this Chipotle, and we go there a ton.
358 West Broad Street, Falls Church, VA 22046
I was told I'm not allowed to ask them to change there gloves or any thing else from the hours of 11am-3pm per the manager who was standing right there. She said I was holding up the other customers (there was one other person who hadn't even gotten in line yet) so just me. She gave me a whole lecture on how my asking them to change there gloves was a huge inconvenience to everyone working there and she would NOT do this for me again. I needed to eat somewhere else or come back after 3pm. I make it a point to come when there not busy. This was embarrassing, because she followed the worker who was serving my food all the way down the line. Now there was people behind me because she made all 8 employs who were working the line (more then I have ever seen) stand there and listen to her tell me how I'm "being a huge inconvenience to her" I apologized a few times. I just wanted to hide! After I left I wanted to cry, it's hard enough with out getting a public lashing. I was mad at my self for apologizing. I didn't want to eat the food after because at the end the manager reached in and grabbed the toppings with her dirty gloved and topped my meal, she looked at me and said, she needed help, she didn't know what you were asking for. Uugh! Worst service ever! If your up for a public lashing about how your "Allergy" (yes she did air quotes) is inconveniencing everybody you should come here.
105 Wolf Road, Albany, NY 12205
I watched one of the servers touch the flour burritos with her spoon as she added toppings and stick the spoon back in the foods. when I explained that it would make me sick, she apologised but I don't think she actually understood. a line backed up behind me and I finally gave up and skipped lunch. I've never seen this before at Chipotle but in addition, the other server started to give my son flour tortillas when I specified gluten free so there may be a problem with training at this location.
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have eaten here a lot and never got glutened.
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I've eaten at this location numerous times. Staff always changes gloves without complaint, carefully prepared my order, and takes any potentially cross-contaminated ingredients (such as lettuce and cheese that have been touched by gloves in previous orders) from under the cabinet. I would recommend without reservation.
3286 New Germany-Trebein Rd., Beavercreek, OH 45431
only problem is that they place the tortillas on the shared warmer...
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Got this delivered through A2Grub and felt the need to call them to make especially sure my entire order was gluten free and perfect. I ordered the bowl and chips and guac and could not have been happier.
9240 W. Sahara Ave., Suite 150, Las Vegas, NV 89117
My favorite GF spot! Rice bowls or salads work best for celiacs
309 E Lancaster Ave, Wayne, PA 19087
Most friendly service I've ever had at a Chipotle! Food was good, fresh, and fairly safe as usual.
1075 Bardstown Road, Louisville, KY 40204
Great food! All GF except flour tortilla option. No GMOs local sourced no hormone no antibiotic beef or chicken.
2465 W. Florida Ave., Hemet, CA 92545
Not safe for Celiac. You can get a burrito bowl and ask them to change their gloves but keep in mind everything touches everything. The food sits out uncovered all day and is not fresh. Also, since McDonald's owns Chipotle and is evil, don't give them the business.
9324 Union Centre Blvd., West Chester, OH 45069
Good food. My bowl seemed half filled compared to other Chipotle
7108 Old Keene Mill Rd., Springfield, VA 22150
Stingy...With everything! Not a good location. Everyone around me was asking for more stuff in line too. I even had to ask for more rice and I'm not even into rice.
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They looked at me like I was crazy when I was telling them NICELY that they were cross contaminating my food. The cashier kept giving me dirty looks.
3129 Crooks Rd., Troy, MI 48084
Excellent service when asked to change gloves and wash hands!! Love the burrito bowls!!
18885 Traditions Drive, Livonia, MI 48167
Excellent. They will change gloves and get GF food from the back.
21172 S. Ellsworth Loop Rd., Queen Creek, AZ 85142
The place was packed and they had several people (not in a row) with a gluten allergy. They all smiled and switched gloves, spoons, and wiped everything down each time. They all had great attitudes and didn't act put out at all. I will definitely be back!! Great customer service!!
15035 N. Thompson Peak Parkway, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
The best place you will ever eat at!!!
1800 S. Loop 288, Denton, TX 76205
They treated me well and did not act annoyed at the request. Food tasted great!!
2000 E. Rio Salado Parkway, Tempe, AZ 85281
I ordered a bowl with no tortillas and no corn because Chipotle claims everything else is gluten free. My body says different as I was cross-contaminated.
6924 S. Park Centre Dr., Cottonwood Heights, UT 84121
One of my favorite GF spots to eat. Everything is gluten free with the exception of their flour tortillas. They will change their gloves upon request.
1011 E. 2100 South, Salt Lake City, UT 84106
I ordered tacos with corn tortillas and told the server I had celiac disease. The server changed his gloves and called someone over to take his place in the line. There was a long line that day, and this second guy gave me a look that made me feel uncomfortable, like I had done something wrong or seriously inconvenienced him. Anyway, server one was very careful not to let his gloves touch anything else, but he plopped the corn tortillas in the same tortilla press used for flour tortillas. I felt self conscious due to server two's awkward look and the long line, so like an idiot I said nothing. That is on me. I spent the rest of the meal trying not to cry into my uneaten tacos while my husband devoured his food. Someday I will go back and be more assertive, and maybe get to actually taste the food.
5866 East Sam Houston Pkwy N, Ste F, Houston, TX 77049
I love the burrito bowl. I haven't run into any problems with the corn chips but I know everyone's body is different.
701 South Main Street, Normal, IL 61761
The staff used all new utensils and made sure everyone put on new gloves. There staff is very well trained .
5330 W. Saginaw Highway, Suite 208, Lansing, MI 48917
Lots of flavor- just make sure they change gloves.
3324 Promenade Ave., Suite 107, Eagan, MN 55121
I haven't gotten sick here before. They will change gloves and carry your food all the way down for you so that no one else comes in contact with it. They also get food out of fresh containers if requested.
1421 W. Eisenhower Blvd., Loveland, CO 80537
this place has never made me sick
8094 Old Carriage Court N, Shakopee, MN 55379
Very accommodating! Didn't have any noticeable contamination symptoms so I think we're all good! Had one lady stay with me through the line after she changed her gloves. Will def go back!
560 W. 79th, Chanhassen, MN 55317
Very accommodating! Didn't have any noticeable contamination symptoms so I think we're all good! Had one lady stay with me through the line after she changed her gloves. Will def go back!
55 E. 8th St., New York, NY 10003
Worker at the counter claimed that everything was glutenfree. Double checked if we really could choose the tortilla wrap and this was not a problem. When filling it we told her once again that it has to be glutenfree. Two hours later my girlfriend felt really sick and had to puke over and over again. For us no Chipotle again. When I checked this app i saw everything is fine for people avoiding gluten accept for the tortilla. People who are allergic: better choose another restaurant
901 Broad Hollow Rd., Farmingdale, NY 11735
Very accomodating. as soon as I asked if the guy could please change his gloves he said "allergy? no problem!" and announced it to every guy on the line and they all changed gloves and were so nice. Food good too. will definitely go back.
3350 Buford Dr., Unit B 260, Buford, GA 30519
So much to choose from. Knowledge and helpful staff. The only thing not gluten free is the flour tortilla. Never gotten sick and any location, and it's delicious.
4219 S. Mooney Blvd., Visalia, CA 93277
Great options
890 Lancaster Dr. NE, Salem, OR 97301
They changed their policies for gluten intolerant people. They are very safe now, switch out all the spoons, wash the counters, and make sure nothing touches gluten. My only problem was that they were complaining a little bit and made me feel kind of bad for making them do all of that. It was safe to eat though, and that's all that really matters.
4 Bellis Fair Parkway, Bellingham, WA 98226
I had the Rice Bowl (they have white or brown) with Seasoned Chicken, Red Peppers, Salsa, Sour Cream, Grated Cheese and Lettuce. Guacamole is extra. It's very good for a quick lunch as service is cafeteria style for in house or take out. See photo.
4738 Golf Road, Eau Claire, WI 54701
Awesome service. They will use all new gloves and product from under the counter! I never have any problems!! And the sofritas are gluten free too for any vegetarians out there!
7311 Sudley Rd., Manassas, VA 20109
Everything is gluten free except the tortillas. Chips are good.
5025 Wellington Rd., Gainesville, VA 20155
Everything but the tortillas are safe. Chips are good.
6801 York Avenue South, Edina, MN 55435
Not trained...the employee looked at me like I had 3 heads when I requested gluten free and gloves to be changed.
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I have a point shapefile that is filled with many features. If I have 1 feature selected I need to be able to export certain fields of that selected feature (ID, lat, long) into a dbf file. What tools in model builder can accomplish this?
Using model builder, how can I extract certain fields for 1 selected feature from a point shapefile file with multiple features?
If you plan to do this repeatedly, I would suggest creating a model that would allow you to 1) pick your input layer, 2) write a query to select the features you want, and 3) define the fields you want (and rename if needed) and 4) copy the query features to a new output layer. You can do this using just 2 commands: "Make Feature Layer" and "Copy Features". Then make sure to "Make Parameters" for each of the 3 items you want to control from the model. Then you can run it just like a built-in tool with a user interface.
Above is the way the model would likely look (note the "P" for exposed parameters), and below is the UI that is automatically generated for you (no scripting or programming needed) after exposing the right parameters. Note that you can choose any input file name (layer), define a search query, check on/off the fields that you want to keep, rename fields if necessary, and define the new file name.
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The Delete Field tool will let you delete selected fields from an input layer, and the Create Table tool will export a layer to a dbf file. Both of these can be added to a model.


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Soto, a native of Spring Hill, Fla., racked up four wins on his way to the championship. Ranked No. 14 in the nation, Soto opened with a pin (2:47) over King College's Tanner Bates. He followed that with another pin against North Carolina's Brian Bokoski (4:29) and a major decision (10-2) against Appalachian State's Dominic Parisi.
The biggest win of the day for the Mocs was Soto's championship match against Virginia Tech's Jarrod Garnett. Garnett came into the match ranked No. 6 in the nation, but Soto managed a 10-9 victory. It was his third win over a top-10 wrestler in his career.
Senior Dean Pavlou (Cleveland, Tenn.) advanced to the semifinals of the 141-pound bracket. He lost to The Citadel's Undrakhbayer Khishgnyam (8-3), but came back to beat Rutgers' two-time NCAA Qualifier Trevor Melde to advance to the third place match. There he fell (19-2) in a tech fall to UNC's 20th-ranked Evan Henderson.
Sophomore Trey Stavrum (Chattanooga, Tenn.) advanced to the quarterfinals of the main draw at 157 before falling to Rutger's ninth-ranked Scott Winston (11-3). Junior Jake Young (Ooltewah, Tenn.) posted a fifth place finish at 174. He lost in the quarterfinals to Virginia Tech's Austin Gabel (2-1), but managed to work his way back to the podium with three more wins.
Senior Niko Brown was the last Moc to place in the event, finishing third at 197. He was pinned in the semifinals by UNC's Antonio Giorio, but defeated Virginia Tech's Derrick Borlie (forfeit) and Rutger's Dan Seidenberg (6-3) to place third overall.
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They're free and MS includes them as a courtesy as part of the FS so they don't care about it?
That's one way to look at it but at the same time, again it goes back to not what it is but why it is there and what it means to users.
I wasn't quibbling on the word need. My point was that need doesn't drive consumption necessarily.
Which is quibbling. I may be misusing the word here. Quibble here to me means closer to lightly (but validly) argue with the word than it is to take the word lightly.
It's why even for simple explanations it can get lengthy.
See it's quibbling if it's just directing what the word is. It's quibbling if it just directs the conversation to something impersonal i.e. "consumption" rather than something personal i.e. "needs by users".
In the other situations that you refer to (dropbox, evernote) it was marketing, also.
Almost everything has marketing but not everything gains their success due to pure marketing.
Have we forgotten that evernote had negative marketing? Even in just reducing complaints, evernote has been poor at that. What evernote had was a focus shift on where they should take their direction. Just think how stupid it would be from a pure marketing perspective to alienate your fanbase and make your application worse.
Even today among new evernote users, you have complaints. The company is not yet heading in a totally right direction. What they have done though is that their focus have given them opportunities to be used in a very under utilized niche that is slowly getting bigger and they are slowly creating the space for Evernote users to simply be Evernote users and not look elsewhere unless Evernote fails them. (Even though it is really failing already in terms of just being a reliable product)
Dropbox is on the opposite spectrum. Marketing + design drove users in but it didn't determine the price people want to pay. You can't also just keep dodging file manager integration. That's actually a feature. It's the feature that made people tolerate the price despite complaints.
People discount marketing, then talk about the church of Jobs/Apple.
...and this is why I used the term quibble. It's a valid argument but come on...
It's like superboyac just replying to my post and acting as if it's a video. Even if people discount marketing and then talk about the church of Jobs, at least consider my words.
You really think my writing a post that long can't even account for the statement of marketing, timing, being at a right place at the right time, celebrity status, etc.?
Even if I am unable to communicate my post, common logic has to apply that if you think I wasn't talking mostly bunk and I wrote it with that length - then it didn't discount marketing.
We can't keep moving the goal post in order to settle the quibble. It's the very reason that leads superboyac and many people to get an over-simplified "just focus on the users" statement.
It's not because there are no developers "ignoring the users" but we get into discussions like this that keeps moving the goal post to an entirely different argument that instead of getting back to the original intent of getting the users closer to donationware/fairware - we just quibble about Apple. No matter how valid it not only kills the spirit of our replies, eats away at what little souls our post have to make the problems of donationware rolling but it turns the philosophy of the thread to your point vs. his point.
At some point, that's what kills it for people like superboyac or others. It's not that they are saying Apple is not innovative/not all about marketing/etc. It's that to care about users at the end of the day has to be talking and analyzing the users. You can't do that if you're focusing on "they're not special". At least unless you're simply satisfied with the current state of donationware or have a different plan and am simply trying to insert a point about Apple which was already been understood.
At the same time, this is why I disagree with superboyac's usage of need and why I want to show that there's clues of duplication beyond Apple. Apple subjects are like religion or browser wars or some popular fuel to the thread that kills the thread and makes it as if everytime someone brings Apple, it's about comparing Apple exactly to a concept. It's too destructive. It kills the possibility that maybe people are bringing Apple as a meta-concept and not as a direct analogy.
The Madonna thing for example. If the ones who could actually duplicate Madonna, all would think Madonna can't be repackaged, rebranded, reduplicated - We would have no Lady Gaga. Albeit not everyone is a fan of Gaga (and I'm not a hardcore fan) but at the end of the day, it was this focus that gave us Gaga instead of the Madonna lites of pop stars in Icky Britney and all the blondes watering down on the slut concept to the teen slut clone with nothing "alternative" to offer except by name and some minor quibble (just like this thread, where Britney can't be duplicated but Christina is the better singer and Mandy Moore is the better actress so so and so is blah blah blah).
At a certain point, needs does not have to equal direct innovation. Innovation does not equal innovation. You want the ultimate debunker, look towards the entire history of the "personal" computer or the internet. Even at the surface level, there was no ideal rainbow nor truly cynical impossibility. It was a bunch of philosophy. A bunch of practicality. A bunch of experiments. A bunch of business model changes. A bunch of supply deployment changes - and yet even today the laptop can be duplicated into the netbook and the netbook can be duplicated into the e-book reader and the e-book reader can be duplicated into the e-ink reader while the e-book reader can head to the smartphone while smartphones get phased out for iphones and then iphones bring back smartphones in vogue and then that vogueness brings in Ipads...it doesn't have to be from a purely technical or specific or direct analogy. At the end of the day, it's just about donationware and talking and changing and pointing out and making analogies to donationware. If it's just about how Apple is so and so then we might as well throw out the entire context of this thread. It's beyond hijacking, it's hijacked hijacking. It's well intentioned people getting to the point but because Apple has to be discussed, we're willing to intentionally block the ball from rolling when it comes to sharing our perspectives about donationware/fairware/well intentioned ware. And once again, what keyword moves away from the actual "need" to be discussed? Users. Yes, users may be related to consumption, marketing ,etc. but the actual term of users gets buried under Apple, Apple, Apple, yes, no, Apple, Apple, Apple, the point is...fairware...donationware...Apple...Apple...Apple...no it can't happen, let's not talk about Apple...let's not talk about Apple...let's not talk about Apple...let's not talk about users...let's talk about donationware/fairware without the users...


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Located in Chelsea, this hotel is within a 15-minute walk of Madison Square Park, Macy's, and Empire State Building. Times Square and Broadway are also within 1 mi (2 km).
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Along with a restaurant, this smoke-free hotel has a bar/lounge and a 24-hour business center. WiFi in public areas is free. Other amenities include a conference center, valet parking, and a meeting room.
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