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Hooded pullover tunic with gorgeous embroidered detailing around the neckline, hood, and sleeves. Sleeve hems are stretchy. Button opening at front of V-neckline. Bottom hem is ruffled. This hooded tunic is the throw-on-and-go piece we will be turning to this season to go with our favorite jeans and bohemian maxi skirts.
*80% Cotton, 20% Polyester
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Length: 31 1/2"
Bust (all around): 39"
Sleeve Length: 27 1/2"
*80% Cotton, 20% Polyester
*Hand Wash Cold
Measurements for Size Small:
Length: 31 1/2"
Bust (all around): 39"
Sleeve Length: 27 1/2"
Rated 3 out of 5Â by 5 reviewers.
Rated 2 out of 5Â by NinjaGirl Nice emboidery but has problems The embroidery is simply beautiful on this top, but because those embroidered panels do not stretch like the rest of the top, it makes for a slightly awkward feel especially on the upper sleeves. Upon looking at the seams where the embroidered panels meet the fabric on the sleeves, I noticed that there are small holes along the seams where there is no give from the embroidered panels. I purchased the oatmeal colorway, and the embroidery is an eyecatching mix of red and turquoise blue which is hard to see online. I love the detailing of this top, however the structural problems are hard to overlook. 8.25.2012
Rated 2 out of 5Â by dallasdiva eeeehhhhh... I tried this on and passed on it. The issue is the embroidery. On the arms, the embroidery has a larger diameter than the fabric so it bulges out in the most awkward manner. As well, the elastic at the ends of the sleeves is just annoying. I didn't realize there was any at first. The fit is loose and baggy, if you are fairly twig-ish, it will look like the model. The embroidery was too weird for me. Go with your usual size, if between size down. 8.27.2012
Rated 1 out of 5Â by sarah318 awkward fit!!! really tight at the arms and awkward fit. i really wanted to like this tunic but after trying it on it is not worth the price. i was really looking for a stylish hoodie to wear in the fall. hope they can remake them with a better fit. size up if you need to 9.24.2012
Rated 5 out of 5Â by ladybling Cute and really comfortable I bought this top in the charcoal grey and I just love it! It's roomy but not too much, actually just right. I know I will wear this many times this fall and winter. The embroidery on the front, sleeves and hood is really gorgeous. I am very pleased with this purchase. 9.14.2012
Rated 5 out of 5 by Pelin LOVE IT!!! ⥠This has become my new favorite piece of clothing. If I could I would seriously wear it everyday. It's incredibly cosy and comfy and I especially love the beautiful embroidered detailing! I really want to buy the charcoal colour too now! 8.21.2012
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Gunco Member #10
The "original" Boltcutter Rivet Squeezers:
Project Pink - the Pink and Blue AK-74:
The basic Maadi-Griffin came out in the late '90s, either assembled or as a kit. 50 BMG. Oh, there was a pistol version too... the guy who was making them ran afoul of the ATF for unrelated matters (starting with selling an illegally manufactured machine gun to an ATF agent) and went to the Big House.
Anyway, it's basically a tube gun, very slick design. The bolt cap is also the buttplate; you twist the buttplate and pull out the bolt and the spent cartridge. There are 35 parts, but most of those are screws, pins, or springs - the basics are a couple of pieces of square tubing, some muffler pipe, and a foot or so of 2" diameter 4140 steel.
They sold a booklet with plans and instructions on how to make one. It's not for sale any more, but you can get it via the torrents or on usenet. It's a low-quality scan, but readable.
Oddly, there aren't many pictures of the gun on the net; most of those are the "pistol", of which probably one or two were made... supposedly 300 complete rifles and several thousand kits were sold before the company folded.
Whoever did the original design was on the ball. It would help to have a lathe that could chuck a 2" workpiece, but the rest could be done with a mini-mill. If you've looked at any of the other .50 plans out there, the Maadi-Griffin is full of "what didn't I think of that?" ideas.
First time I saw one, I WANTED one. But BMG barrels had gone from $50 to $300+, and I really couldn't justify it from my limited entertainment funds. Besides, a friend has a Barrett, and I can shoot it if I want.
Then there's Ed Hubel, who started with "first you take a .50 BMG, then you blow it out straight..." And I wanted one of those, too. And then the Voices said, "why not save the gunrack space, and combine them into one?" And so things rested, until I saw that barrel on Gunbroker.
OK I remember that now that you mentioned the guy's legal issues. For a minute I thought it was a 12 GFH build
I have a chunk of tool steel waiting to be lathed into a reamer but have been so focused on Real World stuff that it is lower on my to-do list than I would like it to be
Gunco Member #10
The "original" Boltcutter Rivet Squeezers:
Project Pink - the Pink and Blue AK-74:
This is much better than a 50cal Maadi,
as you have a huge bore here.
Here is picture of the fella firing his bolt
action 8ga that he made. He uses the
super strong, heavy duty, plastic cases
like we are using in the ones we made by
boring out NEFs to 8ga.Ed
I'm not building the Maadi as a .50, I'm building it as a 12gaFH. The only changes will be the bolt face, extractor, and barrel.
The 8ga is impressive, but the 12ga will do to start with. By the time I get tired of it, you and Rob will probably be down to 4ga...
New Maadi build thread: http://www.gunco.net/forums/f151/maa.../?=#post591953
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I'm working up a way to resize the brass on my reloading equipment. I have been busy with the Real World so unfortunately it isn't as complete as I'd like it to be. My goal is to resize them without fireforming for at least the initial load. The rounds look OK so far but I still haven't built my reamer to test I hope that later this summer when Real Life isn't so pressing I can make some more progress on this.
Gunco Member #10
The "original" Boltcutter Rivet Squeezers:
Project Pink - the Pink and Blue AK-74:
Are you planning on a D-reamer or a three flute reamer?
The 3-flute reamers have two blades ~180deg apart, and one ~90deg from them.
One nice thing about working with a 3/4 inch reamer is that it's easy to see what you're doing. The .17 caliber stuff must be like working in HO scale...
just a bump. muttman
Well I have an indexing head for the mill so I can make proper cuts, and I plan to lathe the reamer to shape based on Ed's prints that he posted online. Then I'll put the shaped reamer the indexing head on my mill and use a dovetail to make the reamer flutes. There isn't much to remove honestly, so I figure that a 6-flute reamer may do the trick. I dunno maybe I'll do an 8-flute, depends on what my dovetail can handle.
I cleaned and trued up my lathe before Real Life kicked in and it has basically sat there waiting for me to get back to it. I think I need more carbide bits before I can cut it to shape.
Gunco Member #10
The "original" Boltcutter Rivet Squeezers:
Project Pink - the Pink and Blue AK-74:
after using the E, Wood reading idea a few "Q"
- this is a slug gun in 50 cal?
- is the barrel rifled or the slug?


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This can be pulled around and arranged without lifting the top mattress....
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A good resolution to a wandering bed skirt.
This can be pulled around and arranged without lifting the top mattress.Read More
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For those who actually enjoy a memory foam mattress this may be your thing. I am used to a traditional spring mattress and find that style to be much more comfortable as any of the foam types. Was not able to spend a single night sleeping on this mattressRead More
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great mattress. Using for our little girl and she loves it.Read More
great fit , comfortable
Soft ,comfortable, a little to firm so I bought a pillow top cover.Read More
Wonderful mattress! Very Firm!!
We purchased this mattress for my toddlers room. It arrived tightly rolled up and expanded immediately. Because of other reviews we took extra precaution in wiping down the plastic cover thoroughly so there wasn't a problem with any dirt on the actual matress. It was really clean though allready. We were also preparing for a chemical odor due to other reviews, but we were happily surprised that there really was no odor. We did not need to air out the mattress at all. The reason I gave 4 stars instead of 5 is that I find this to be a firm firm matress not a medium firm. But a very firm mattress without springs is very different than a traditional firm mattress. It is still very comfortable! Also you really do need to purchase an extra padded cover as there is no provided cover for this particular matress. I bought a 3" padded matress pad that is working well. My son is sleeping better and that was what we really needed!! I wish I bought this sooner.Read More
Love this mattress!!!
I was a little skeptical about getting this mattress as I have never had a foam mattress and this was a blind online purchase, but it arrived exactly on schedule, was easy to move (needed two people to get it upstairs...cumbersome, but not heavy. Box was the width of the mattress X 1 foot X 1 foot), and reached it's full size quickly. I bought a full size mattress and am using it on my old box spring, but that doesn't seem to make a difference. We have been sleeping on it now for 2-3 weeks and it's truly amazing how much better I sleep and how less sore and achy I am when I wake up. I was considering getting a queen size as my boyfriend and I live together, but as I couldn't check this mattress out in person, I didn't want to buy a new bed, frame, linens, etc for something that I had no idea what what to expect. I will say, however, that when we do decide to go up to a queen size bed, I hope that this mattress will still be available. I can't picture sleeping on anything else and it's a great buy. I was a little concerned that it would be too firm, but it's not. You certainly don't sink right into it, but it does mold around you after you've been there for a bit and I find it to be extremely comfortable. There was no odor and I have not noticed it to make us hot when we sleep, but we also use 100% cotton sheets. This was my first Overstock purchase and I am extremely satisfied. I would recommend this mattress to anyone!Read More
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I had been looking for a mattress for 2 months. never really considered a foam one , but was so under impressed with standard box spring sets that I started to read the foam reviews. this mattress is recommended by many and I'll tell you why. I arrived 2 days early, thats a plus right there. It was about 2 inches tall and rolled like a burrito in what seems to be a giant space bag, in a large box. I opened the bag and removed it. There was no smell or other wise unpleasant odor. The mattress plumped up over the next several hours. The fabric is bright and clean and well stitched. The mattress reached its complete size and the fitted sheet fit perfectly. The firmness is perfect. I weigh 150 and do not crush it down at all. The surface is never chilly and the bed stays an even temperature all night. It is on a platform bed frame. Love it and will not buy a box spring set ever again.Read More
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I have purchased a foam mattress from overstock before and was extremely pleased with the results. I bought a different firmness this time, because the more firm mattress was out of my price range. I like the fact that this mattress is reversible, and I feel this feature will help it last longer. All the beds in my home now have a memory foam mattress, and for the price, it is absolutely unbeatable.Read More
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Bought this mattress for a vacation home. Was very concerned since I have a sleep number bed in my primary residence. I like it so much I actually purchased a second for another room in the houseRead More
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Hello delighted2behere, this does not include a manufacturer warranty, you are able to purchase a 10 year warranty. Have a good day!
Why did you choose this product?
I love the fact that it was reversible.
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free shipping and discounted price
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Price. Reviews. No Springs. Reversible.
Ordered this for my daughters bedroom. After reading the reviews online chose this mattress. Can't wait to try it out.
read reviews and impressed still skeptil. we will see for the amount of money. very affordable.
Needed a new mattress and the reviews were well.
Great reviews...and I used to sleep on a foam mattress without any breathing issues ..asthma or sinus ..I am hoping for the same.
From the reviews.
The description says "Ten inches of memory foam". The title says just foam mattress. The details say "Materials: Plush and high density foam" and "First layer: 2 inches of plush foam; Second layer: 6 inches high density foam; Third layer: 2 inches plush foam", and "Mattress Type: Foam", whereas other memory foam mattresses on the site clearly say memory foam under materials and layers details (example: http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/Comfort-Dreams-Select-A-Firmness-11-inch-Queen-size-Memory-Foam-Mattress/3158654/product.html). Some reviewers for the same mattress in queen size (http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/Select-Luxury-Reversible-Medium-Firm-10-inch-Queen-size-Foam-Mattress/6378792/product.html) say that this is NOT memory foam. What is this? Memory foam or just foam? Thank you!
Hello rryans, this is not a memory foam mattress, this is a foam mattress. Thanks for shopping with us!
Could this easily fit two people- 1 person 200 lbs, the other 135-?
Hello fruehen, this is a standard full size mattress. If you are currently using a full size mattress the comfort level would be the same for the two people.Thank you for shopping with us! Vicki H
The width is "54 what is the length?
Hi bshea2248, this mattress is a full size. The dimensions are 10 inches high x 54 inches wide x 75 inches long. We hope this helps. Thanks for shopping with us.
Will this mattress work on a simple full size metal bed frame without anytype of foundation underneath it like a platform bed or box spring may provide? I worry that over time it may sag or get distorted.
I would recommend some support platform underneath. I built a ply wood foundation for my platform bed.
I doubt it. I have it on a wooden platform bed, and had to install a few more wooden slats for more support. I wouldn't recommend using it on a typical metal frame bed.
That is what it is on in my sons room. He is 13 and adult sized and he has no complaints.
I have a full size bed that the width is 53 1/2" wide. How wide is the mattress? I am hoping that it will fit...
Hello alvarezjr, we appreciate your inquiry. This mattress is 54 inches wide, so there may be a slight 1/2 inch overhang, but it should fit otherwise. We hope this information has been helpful. Thank you for shopping with us. Have a great day!
i bought the slatted bottom platform bed -recommended on your site --your answer in may "We donât recommend that the mattress be set upon a slatted surface. The mattress should be set upon a solid, flat surface. Rather than having to purchase a new foundation, oftentimes customers will just put a piece of plywood between the mattress and the slatted surface to create the solid surface" now i have to buy plywood?
Hello jerseygal08, this was just a work around for one of our customer. The Select Luxury Reversible Medium Firm 10-Inch Full-Size Foam Mattress should work, it all depend on your bed and the support. Please feel free to contact us again with any further questions. Thank you for shopping with us!
Is there any manufacturer warranty on this bed? If so, what does it cover versus the additional warranty available for purchase?
Hello melimaze, there is not a manufacturer warranty currently on this product. Our mattress protection plan is a great choice. Thank you for shopping with us.
I want to order this item, however, I will not be able to open the packaging for a month- the product details recommend that it be opened to maximize expansion within 72 hours, will it hurt expansion if I wait for a longer amount of time?
Hello punsandriddles, mattresses are manufactured as needed and not left in stock so it might not be a bad idea to wait and order it. However, leaving it wrapped for an extended period of time should not cause any problems. I hope this helps. Thank you for shopping with us.
How much does it weigh (ie shipping weight)?
Hello scottilla, We show the shipping weight as 46 pounds. Thank you for shopping with us.
Is the Urethane foam for this mattress made in the USA?
Thank you for your question okie101. Yes, the Select Luxury Reversible Medium Firm 10-Inch Full-Size Foam Mattress is made in the U.S. Have a great day.
What is the IFD for this product?
Due to the nature of Memory Foam the firmness level of every item is unique.Please feel free to contact us again with any further questions.
Don't know - but I ordered two of them for my kid's rooms. Not as firm as my King size in my bedroom. I wouldn't order this prodcut again if given the choice. Just doesn't seem to be firm enough for a memory foam mattress....
Is this all memory foam?
Yes this is 100 % plush memory foam. Please let me know if you have any further question.
supposedly it is. I find it to be a little too soft and doesn't have the firmness like my other all memory foam mattress. I wouldn't buy this again 9I bought 2)
Maybe I'm not asking the question right. Most manufacturers of beds make the bed as their ordered or is the bed sitting around in warehouse ready to be shipped.
I have checked our warehouse inventory and we do not have them onsite. Unfortunately i am unable to confirm if they are made to order from the manufacturer side. But we do not keep them stocked in the warehouse ready to ship.
For this price - they are sitting in a warehouse waiting to be shipped!
Are these beds made fresh when you ordered.. Meaning there not sitting around in a where-house or factory. Most beds are made to ordered. I would like mine on the very firm side and I see the reviews and many reviewers and mixed experiences. I know this is because there is various ways the foam can on the less firm side. Manufactures, elements, material,
we do not do custom orders
If you are looking for a firmer memory foam mattress - keep looking. I just ordered two of these and they are not firm at all!
Re: 'Comfort Level:' .. " Plush " is a totally useless word .. just what do you mean by it?? And why does your 'Guide' define 'Medium' and 'Firm' as 4-5 lbs/ft and 5-6 lbs/ft , yet this product is noted as 'Med-Firm' but is only 1.6 lbs/ft ??? Seems contratictory, no?
Plush foam refers to the way the foam conforms to your body. On the other hand, the pounds per cubic foot references the density of the foam. The more pounds per cubis feet, the more firm the mattress will be.
What is the density of the 2 inch plush foam (ie. 3lbs, 4lbs, etc) and 6 inch foam?
The density of the two-inch foam is 1.5 pounds. The density of the six-inch foam is 1.8 pounds.
Is this mattress at any showroom so that I can try it out before buying?
We are unaware of stores that are also selling this mattress.
Our frame has slats only for bottom support. Won't this require some other type of support?
We donât recommend that the mattress be set upon a slatted surface. The mattress should be set upon a solid, flat surface. Rather than having to purchase a new foundation, oftentimes customers will just put a piece of plywood between the mattress and the slatted surface to create the solid surface.
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Upton Players to stage 'Into the Woods' July 17-20Written by Chase Will | | email@example.com
Before the Hollywood adaptation opens this winter, treat yourself to The Upton Players' performance of "Into the Woods" July 17-20.
According to director Sara Spealman, the challenge of fitting such a large-scale production into a 165-seat theater has enhanced the connection between the characters and the audience.
"It's a big show in a small theater," Spealman said. "Obviously we're not Broadway, so most of the tech aspects we cannot do. But in the space that we have at The Village Theater it's a much more intimate experience."
"The nice thing about seeing a show at The Village is that even though you're in the audience you feel like you're plugged into the story," said producer Chris Jagodzinski.
The Upton Players are a young adult theater troupe supported by The Village Players. This is the group's second show. According the Jagodsinski, the 21-person cast will be accompanied by a full orchestra and an intricate set. The musical includes several storybook characters from the Brothers Grimm, including Red Riding Hood, Cinderella, Rapunzel and the Big Bad Wolf. Their stories are intertwined as a baker and his wife try to reverse a witch's curse so they can start a family. Although the story contains mature themes, Spealman said it's appropriate for all ages and there's no bad language.
"There may be some content that will go over younger heads, but it's nothing that I'd feel uncomfortable letting a 2-year-old watch," Spealman said.
Spealman joined The Village last year when she directed "Anything Goes." Previously she's directed seven shows for Maumee High School and The Toledo Repertoire Theatre.
"I wanted to do a young adult program at The Village," Spealman said. "A lot of programs at the area stop at age 18-19, but our program goes up to 22. It's for young adults who don't have a lot to do theater-wise in the area." This new program has drawn youth from all across Northwest Ohio, including Bowling Green and the University of Findlay.
"The majority of our actors are local, but if someone's interested in participating in our show they're always welcome, and that's for all age groups," Jagodzinski said.
Spealman decided on "Into the Woods" while directing "Anything Goes" and finding many of her actors had discovered the upcoming film adaptation of "Into the Woods" and were interested in the source material. Spealman also said many of her actors had their lines memorized prior to the cutoff date, a testament to their dedication.
"This is probably the most talented group of young adults I've worked with," Spealman said. "Act I is very different from Act II, and I can't make it through Act II without crying at least twice. No one's going to leave disappointed."
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Pontifex legibus solutus?
Joseph A. Komonchak April 1, 2013 - 3:11pm
Conservatives and traditionalists need not be the only ones to raise questions about some of Pope Francis's liturgical innovations, whether it was his including women and Muslims among those whose feet he washed or in the reduction of the readings for the Easter Vigil. But shouldn't we all be concerned when they are justified by the idea that, after all, the pope is the supreme law-giver and so is not bound by Church law?
There is an old Latin legal term for this: princeps legibus solutus, which Blacks legal dictionary translates as: Released from the laws; not bound by the laws. An expression applied in the Roman civil law to the emperor. As the example given shows, it is a very dangerous principle to allow into ecclesiology. At Vatican II, when no. 22 of Lumen gentium was being discussed, Pope Paul VI proposed introducing into a sentence about the pope's relationship to the college of bishops that in deciding whether to call the bishops to a collegial act a pope was bound to the Lord alone [uni Domino devinctus]. The Doctrinal Commission refused this addition for two reasons: (1) its intent was already assured by statements about the pope's freedom and independence, meaning by this that there is no higher human authority which the Roman Pontiff has to observe; and (2) because the formula is over-simplified. For the Roman Pontiff is also bound to observe revelation itself, the basic structure of the Church, the sacraments, the definitions of previous Councils, etc.; all such things cant be counted. Formulas of this sort, using only, have to be treated with the greatest circumspection; otherwise countless difficulties arise.The Commission was pointing to elements that bind the pope in the exercise of his role. A pope is not legibus solutus. Would we not like to propose some conditions on what Pius XII's claim that the pope alone has the right to permit or establish any liturgical practice, to introduce or approve new rites, or to make any changes in them he considers necessary? Can we be content with the view that the Pope is not bound by Church law when he does something we like, but ought to be bound by Church law when he does something we don't like?
So if one wishes to applaud some of the new pope's departures from Church law, before one gets too enthusiastic, it might be well to recall that it was also a pope who not so long ago tempted people to flee to the mountains when he obtruded the Divine Mercy devotion into Eastertide (see Mk 13:14).
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Grant: Yes, I suppose I should have put "alleged" before "departures" in my last sentence. I confess I'm surprised that the majority of respondents have concentrated on the first and last sentences of my initial post and largely ignored what came in between. It is even more surprising that several people took the post to indicate that I disagreed with either of the actions that provided the occasion for some people to say that it would not matter if a pope were to depart from traditions or laws because, after all, he's the pope and can do what he wants. (My only hesitation about the new Pope's actions concerns whether Muslims should have been included in the foot-washing.) So the issue for me is not the actions themselves but a justification for them I have heard given.As for my last sentence, I guess that subtlety and indirection don't work. How anyone might conclude from it that I agreed with Pope John Paul's obtruding (the verb was chosen deliberately) the Divine Mercy devotion into Eastertide baffles me. May I suggest that the reason why some people were tempted to flee to the mountains (I was among them) is given by the Gospel text to which I, again deliberately, pointed and which I should have thought made it clear how abominable (the adjective is chosen deliberately) I consider that action of the former pope was. It's the sort of thing that can happen if one thinks the pope above the law on the grounds that quod papa facit, facere potest--what a pope does, a pope can do.
It appears that we have now a Pope with priorities, preferences, talents and interests that differ in many ways from those of his predecessor-- who tried with considerable success to impose his views and even his tastes on the Church. That the Bishop of Rome now has different views and tastes and gifts may seem to some of us a hopeful change, but it is a heavy burden to fall heir automatically to the outsize cult of personality that has grown up around the office, and also to the expectation that he may behave as an absolute monarch. This fatal combination can't be good either for the incumbent or the Church. Clarifying the limits of Papal prerogative might be a good first step toward improving the situation, for Francis, for those who come after Francis, and for all the rest of us.
Just checking my understanding here:The point of the post is to note that a perceived departure from strict tradition on the part of Pope Francis might send up red flags with the Orthodox (not Roman Catholics), who could see such departures as a sign that the Pope considers himself above tradition, yes?I would be interested to know if Mr. Fr. Komonchak has perceived any such concern among his Orthodox friends as a result of the foot-washing and abbreviated readings.
Jean: Not quite. The point of the post was to draw the attention of Roman Catholics to the dangers of defending actions by popes (any popes, not just Pope Francis) on the grounds that he is not bound by traditions or laws. This view certainly is anathema to the Orthodox, as I pointed out, but my main focus was on Catholics.I haven't seen any reactions from Orthodox commentators on Pope Francis' actions, so I can't answer your question.
How anyone might conclude from it that I agreed with Pope John Pauls obtruding (the verb was chosen deliberately) the Divine Mercy devotion into Eastertide baffles me. May I suggest that the reason why some people were tempted to flee to the mountains (I was among them) is given by the Gospel text to which I, again deliberately, pointed and which I should have thought made it clear how abominable (the adjective is chosen deliberately) I consider that action of the former pope was.Agree that it was abominable.
Pope Francis, it seems to me, conducts himself by intuition. He does things on the spur of the moment, without much (or any) consultation. He leaves procession routes to go into crowds to bless the disabled, he drops in unannounced at a luncheon for a group of priests, he decides to live in a guest house rather than his palace, he makes it known, a week or so in advance, that his Holy Thursday celebration will be in a juvenile detention facility. Under the previous papacy, saying and doing things without adequate consultation and consideration resulted in a number of gaffes. But so far, everything Francis touches seems to turn to spiritual gold. (Perhaps I am pouring my own hopes and fantasies into the vessel of this papacy, but I detect a certain joy on his part: that he finds his ability to do whatever he wants is very freeing, and that he derives a certain satisfaction from breaking with fusty traditions. I can't imagine what it would be like to be a bishop, to always be "on display", rather like the Queen of England, to always, always be expected to say and do the right thing. Perhaps he feels released from those expectations now.)Just speaking for myself, I can be an intuitive person. There are many times when intuition has served me well - but also a number of times when it hasn't. I've learned, in the school of hard knocks, to question my intuition, to seek to confirm it with data and outside opinions. I think intuition is risky. I hope the Holy Father has an internal braking system that warns him that a seat-of-the-pants judgment, in this or that particular case, needs to be restrained, or at least tested and confirmed.
The nub of the problem is found in the text from Lumen Gentium that Ann quoted above. popes power of primacy over all, both pastors and faithful, remains whole and intact. In virtue of his office, that is as Vicar of Christ and pastor of the whole Church, the Roman Pontiff has full, supreme and universal power over the Church. And he is always free to exercise this power.That particular primacy was, and Fr. K, can correct me if I am mistaken here, codified at Vatican I. Vatican II sought to clarify the scope of the Pope's power but we are stuck with this unfortunate formulation from Vatican I.So, we are essentially, at the mercy of the temperment and style of the occupant.Personally, I think that if there is going to be any decisions that impact the whole Church, these need to be undertaken by way of achieving a consensus. But the reality is that this has not historically occurred since Vatican II (John XXIII did not, as far as I know, consult the bishops as to whether a council was required, Paul VI did not consult the bishops concerning HV as far as I know, PJP II did not consult bishops for Divine Mercy, Benedict XVI did not consult bishops concerning SP).But, perhaps there is no juridical solution to this problem. Even in well developed democracies, governors, prime ministrs, and presidents have certain executive powers invested in the office and they have discretion to exercise those.Jesus, specifically, outlined how authority was supposed to be exercised among his followers; the so called servant leadership model. But what this looks like in practice varies considerably.
Pope Francis, it seems to me, conducts himself by intuition. He does things on the spur of the moment
I thought so initially too Jim but then I read an account where someone who knows him said that this is not the case. He prays before every action and is very deliberate and aware of the symbolism of his actions.I think that the problem is, as has been pointed out above, people are seeing these symbolic actions and reading (too much)/(too little) into them.As Shakespeare wrote, uneasy lies the head that wears the crown.
Joe, I thought you were saying in the post that if one likes the pope doing certain things which are, OK let's say "original" or "outside the law," one is admitting in principle that other actions which are outside the law are equally admissible. Have I misunderstood your point here?
If the story was true that poor Benedict XVI was not allowed to have a cat in the palace where he lived and reigned, who laid down "the law" to him? If he had said, I WILL have a cat or four, and YOU are in charge of the litter box[es], who would say NEIN, du willst nicht Katzen haben?
Father Komonchak: there's a difference between justifying Pope Francis' action on the basis of princeps legibus solutus est and refuting the argument that Pope Francis violated liturgical law by washing a woman's foot. Many factors go into whether a Roman Pontiff is justified when ignoring law or changing it. But I think that those who say that Pope Francis "violated the law" when he washed a woman's foot in the mandatum rite either misunderstand the purpose of the rite or fail to appreciate that the Pope is not legally bound by his own law.
Rita: My point has been that the principle that the pope is above the law can cut in both directions. This doesn't mean you can't make distinctions, can't criticize, etc.
George DI remember being told in a graduate Theology course that before his (infallible) declaration of the dogma of the Assumption of Mary (1950), Pope Pius XII sought the opinion of Catholic Bishops throughout the world.
Here is the joint statement issued by the North American Orthodox-Catholic Theological Consultation in 2010, which includes a vision of a reunited church and takes up the question of primacy. It alludes to Apostolic Canon 34 (late 4th century):
The bishops of every nation must acknowledge him who is first among them and account him as their head and do nothing of consequence without his consent; but each may do those things only which concern his own parish and the country places which belong to it. But neither let him (who is the first) do anything without the consent of all; for so there will be unanimity, and God will be glorified through the Lord in the Holy Spirit.
And it raises the question whether the principle can enter into the understanding and exercise of the Petrine office.http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious...
Mr. Madrid: I am among those who "fail to appreciate that the Pope is not legally bound by his own law." That's precisely the principle I think is so dangerous in ecclesiology. Church law is not "his" law; it's the Church's law.
the Pope is not legally bound by his own law.Really! Jesus himself chose to remain bound by religious laws. His excursions from Jewish laws were always explained as clarifications or re-interpretations (Matt 5:17). He was not above the law, but the Pope would be??
Thanks for the clarification, Fr. Komonchak. Clearly, I'm not subtle enough to follow this discussion, which everyone already knows, but I want the record to show that I'm not so dumb that *I* don't know it, too.A lot of Catholics (and otherwise) think that whatever the pope does or says is infallible, which seems to be a misread of the whole infallibility business raised at the first Vatican Council. People read "infallible" and run with that without looking at the caveats and historical context. Sorta like they do with then they read "right to bear arms" in the Second Amendment.I'll go find something to read that I can understand better now.
Father Komonchak: Not all of the laws of the Church are the Pope's laws. Note that I said "legally bound by his own law." The Pope is not the only ecclesiastical legislator, and the other authorities mentioned in your initial post accurately prescribe some of the bounds of his authority. I think that your citation of the Apostolic Canon is another appropriate source. But perhaps you are making a larger point than my relatively small one: are you suggesting that the Pope's own enactments legally bind him in all cases?Claire: I believe that you misunderstand my point. I am only making the relatively simple point that the Pope's own enactments do not legally bind him. Besides, note that your statement that Christ "chose to remain bound" implies that He was in fact above the law and chose to be otherwise.
It was a great gesture.Better to ask forgiveness than permission liturgically is a good motto.I've been at too many funerals where the so called rubricians who monitor anyone else's deviance have made crude and insensitive editorial remarks about who's welcome to the Eucharist that is not called for in the rubrics.I'm just glad the Pope did not apparently overly agonize with canon lawyers or liturgists before he did this.Now, he could, of course, done something that would have been seen as less inclusive and more restricting than necessary canonically and I'd be wrting in critism rather than priase. that's they way it.Take an action and take the consequences, Pope Francis. Thanks.
... and I'm sorry, but for all the beauty of the readings, most parishes cannot sustain a Holy Saturday liturgy that includes all these readings... Call us liturgical wimps and mandate that the Cathedral in each diocese celebrate with all (most do not) and cut the celebration back to three. You're still lucky to have cermony - done well with some good music less than 2 1/2 hours -- and I'm one who loves it!
Father Komonchak: to further illustrate my position, you had earlier posed whether it was in the power of the Pope "to repeal canons 208-223." If what you mean is "can the Pope repeal the norms expressed in canons 208-223," my answer is that he probably cannot, especially given that the majority of the norms in those canons are promulgated in scripture, tradition, and natural justice, all of which are sources of law for the Church. However, if what you mean is "can the Pope remove canons 208-223 from the code," my answer is yes.
Francis is obsessed with the gospel which is the center of our lives. We have all been corrupted by an Empire church and think legalistically usque ad nauseum. The beatitudes are the thing....I know too simple.....
As I understand it, Fr. Komonchak proposed this discussion to grapple with the more or less hypothetical problem of popes overstepping their authority and/or considering themselves above church law. If that's not really it, move on; I apologize for yet another superfluous posting.If it IS the issue at hand, however, I still need it clarified for me how Pope Francis washing the feet of a couple women on Maundy Thursday relates? Is this or is it not a violation of some sort? What are the rules, if any, with regard to exactly whose feet can be washed? If there is indeed a liturgical rule against washing the feet of women, I've no doubt washing Muslim feet would be even more egregious. But it seems to me this would be missing the larger issue by far -- namely, how far has the Church come from its original mission that its rules limit the servant of His servants from performing such charitable gestures?
Re: Divine MercyI have always thought that the canonization of Sr. Faustina (first canonization of the 21st century) and promotion of the Divine Mercy devotion by JPII had strong elements of Polish chauvinism (for want of a better term). Hopefully, Pope Francis, first Latin American pope, will be just as enthusiastic about promoting the canonization of Archbishop Romero.
Well. I admit that until just now I thought Divine Mercy and Sacred Heart were the same. But now I am learning that so many parts of Christ are focus of devotions: Holy Face, Holy Name, Sacred Wounds, Holy Hole (in his side), Precious Blood and many more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_devotions
I seem to recall that this argument about [whether-a-Pope-to-wash-or-not-wash-the-feet-of-women-and-Muslims] was similarly visited in the NT. In Mt2:27 the writer records: Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."Something tells me that Papa Francesco has a deep understanding and appreciation of this scripture than some of us. And apparently, Francis intends to act upon it.The symbolism of gesture is always more powerful than human pretense.
Fr. Z reprints Fr.. Komonchak's post and ends with:"It is the ultimate dream of liberals to restrict papal authority, just as they hope to see restrictions on bishops and the reduction of priests and priesthood to ministryhttp://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/04/whats-this-you-say-popes-are-not-above-th...
I find reading blogs like Father Z dangerous for my immortal soul. Doing so fills me with so much anger and vitriol that I really think nothing good can come of it. Yet, I often still do. O, the lingering effects of original sin
Mr. Madrid: I am among those who fail to appreciate that the Pope is not legally bound by his own law. Thats precisely the principle I think is so dangerous in ecclesiology. Church law is not his law; its the Churchs law.In the case of the rubrics of the Mass, Francis could have issued a Motu Proprio changing "virii" to "homines" in the rubrics. He could also have said (If he wanted) that each bishop could determine the qualifications of "homines" in his diocese.If he had the power to authorize others to do it, he had the power to do it himself without authorizing others. Is this whole argument about whether he filled out some paperwork first before doing what was appropriate pastorally? Personally, I think it would be good if he issued a document revising the rubrics before next Holy Week. Given the number of other things he needs to do, I won't be devastated if that doesn't get to the top of his list by then.
Can one usefully distinguish between a politico-legal right of the pope to do whatever he decides regardless of what codified positive laws or customs say and a religious-moral right to do so. In political terms, a ruler is regularly recognized to be within his right to set aside many laws for the common good or for the defense of the state? Think of declarations of martial law. I assume that a ruler can sometimes be justified on both politico-legal grounds and on moral-legal grounds in doing so. It is also possible that a ruler could be justified on one of these grounds but not on the other. It is a practical impossibility to codify an exceptionless rule for determining whether he is, in a particular case, justified in doing so.Is this distinction relevant to determining what rights the pope has or does not have?
It seems to me that in parts of this discussion laws are being confused with the justification, the grounds of the laws. A law is a *command* to do or not do something. It is neither a simple description nor a generalization about a class of things. For instance, the fact that we are siblings by adoption is the ground of the law that says that we must love all people. But being-a-sibling is not the law. Neither history nor science is law, though there are "laws" of history and of science in a somewhat different sense of "law". They describe regular behavior without any element of command or authority constituting the so-called law. When a law-giver actually establishes a general command (one that many people are bound by) it is his/her intention to bind (for the common good) and his/her promulgation of that intention that constitutes the law as such, and this assumes a prior acceptance of that law-giver's authority to make the the law. When an emperor says, "you shall not steal", he is implicitly affirming that a he is binding the people not to behave in a certain way. And as long as his intention (plus the intentions of the next emperor) endure, that is a law of the empire. A law is not some pie-in-the-sky Platonic "subsistence" which exists independent of the lawgivers and those bound by the law. It has no independent ontological status which continues when the law-givers and followers are gone. Describing the ontological status exactly would be very difficult, I think, because a law is actually a very complex reality involving processes which involve intentions and acceptance of those intention by the people, not to mention the historical event of promulgation. The basic problem about Frances and the foot-washing concerns, I think, his *authority* that is, his right to make a command/law and also his right/authority to eliminate or change the law. But trying to describe "rights", "duties" and "intentions" philosophically is philosophically highly perplexing, even though most of us are definitely convinced that such things as rights and duties intentions are real. Here comes my mantra again: we need a new Aquinas.(I still think that Vatican I and Vatican II on the subject of papal authority are contradictory in some ways, which adds to the problems in this discussion.)
ISTM that Fr. Z's problem is the same as the SSPXers problem: they accept the statements by Vat I and Vat II about the universal, full authority of the popes. They have my sympathy. They were taught one thing, and now they're being taught another.
John Hayes: "In the case of the rubrics of the Mass, Francis could have issued a Motu Proprio changing virii to homines in the rubrics. He could also have said (If he wanted) that each bishop could determine the qualifications of homines in his diocese."Ye gads, so this IS it! The rubrics say "virii," and Francis (like how many bishops before him?) acted as if the word were "homines." This is what has our ecclesial talking heads a-twitter?Forgive my slow take. I looked away for about a minute and missed the controversy so quickly stirred by a pope's Christ-like "impulsivity." A year ago, say, would anyone have believed this would be a topic of heated conversation today?
It wouldn't take a motu proprio. Just a word to the CDWS in preparation for the next edition of the Roman Missal. It could have been done with the third edition, but wasn't. We got 2 new dismissal formulas from Pope Benedict, no motu proprio on that.
It's clearly time the wording was changed, however it's done.That would certainly be a more likely (and limited) outcome of the Pope's controversial foot washings than the spectre of papal totalitarianism alarmists have raised.
I intended the thread to be a discussion, not of the foot-washing, but of whether there are any limits to the exercise of papal authority. I confess to being alarmed, indeed, by arguments that a pope is not bound by Church law. A little knowledge of Church history can reveal whether the consequences of such a view are merely spectral. And we might keep in mind that Francis is unlikely to be the last pope.
Father Komonchak: in your opinion, is the Pope bound by his own decrees? If so, why?
Yes, Father, I think I get your concerns. In fact, I believe I understood the larger point you were trying to make all along; it was the citation of the foot washings (and reduction in Easter Vigil readings) as reason for alarm that threw me for a loop. Why such dire foreboding over what still seem to me such charitable acts? For a Pope to overlook certain liturgical rubrics when, if followed to the letter, these would 1. exclude over half those standing before him, or 2. overburden the faithful who've been standing and kneeling for many hours, doesn't seem unreasonable, and certainly not radically disrespectful of church law per se. To paraphrase Christ, were we made for the rubrics, or were the rubrics made for us?All in all, I can't see how what the Pope did in these particular situations set a precedent for anything other than acting more Christ-like.
Mr. Madrid: If the Pope is legislating for the Church, and he is a member of the Church, he is binding himself. Pope Benedict XVI said several times that the pope is not an "absolute monarch". If he is above the law, in what sense, I ask you, is he not an absolute monarch?Ms. Bailey: I didn't cite those examples as "reason for alarm." My alarm was over justifications of them on the grounds of papal absolutism.
Fr. K: "I intended the thread to be a discussion...of whether there are any limits to the exercise of papal authority."Isn't the exercise of any legitimate authority limited by the demands of justice and charity?
Yes, "the exercise of any legitimate authority [is] limited by the demands of justice and charity." But two questions: (1) Are these the only limits on papal authority? (2) Has the Church any recourse if a pope ignores "the demands of justice and charity"?
Correction: Instead of "to enforce papal violations of the law", I should have written "to enact sanctions against popes who violate the law".
Sorry for the multiple posts, but perhaps Galatians 2:11 is an illuminating example for this discussion. Paul resisted Peter "to the face" (strongly worded!) when Peter acted against the new norms revealed to him (Peter) by Christ - that Gentiles were welcome in the church without being subject to the dietary (and other) laws....
Claire: I don't think that "absolute monarch" means "omnipotent monarch."
Fr, K: "I didnt cite those examples as reason for alarm. My alarm was over justifications of them on the grounds of papal absolutism."I'm sorry, I know this must be frustrating for you; clearly, there should be some way other than asserting papal absolutism to justify papal deviations such as this Pope's from the strict rubrics regarding feet washings, etc. I think I provided the one that likely occurred to the Pope himself, namely, the overriding demands of justice and charity.Beyond that, I don't know. It's not as if the Church had a constitution spelling out just how far, and no farther, a pope's authority extends. But we do have the words of Christ in scripture sending his apostles and Peter out into the world. Nothing said was a blueprint for absolutist rule. The best answer to your question is probably staring us all in the face.
JAK wrote: "two questions: (1) Are these the only there any limits on papal authority? (2) Has the Church any recourse if a pope ignores the demands of justice and charity?"Not after Chapter III of "Lumen Gentium" and the attached "Appendix" was approved by Paul VI"The pope's power of primacy over all, both pastors and faithful, remains whole and intact. In virtue of his office, that is as Vicar of Christ and pastor of the whole Church, the Roman Pontiff has full, supreme and universal power over the Church. And he is always free to exercise this power."Even an Ecumenical Council can't overrule the Pope (it can't meet unless he calls it and its decisions don't take effect unless he approves them):"The order of bishops, which succeeds to the college of apostles and gives this apostolic body continued existence, is also the subject of supreme and full power over the universal Church, provided we understand this body together with its head the Roman Pontiff and never without this head. This power can be exercised only with the consent of the Roman Pontiff. For our Lord placed Simon alone as the rock and the bearer of the keys of the Church,and made him shepherd of the whole flockin the end, he limit on Papal power lies in the consciences of individual believers - clergy who would resign and laypersons who would refuse to comply with evil or heretical instructions of the Pope. There is no provision to overrule a papal decision, to impeach a pope, or to remove a pope who becomes mentally or physically incompetent.
Your 4:21pm questions are not about opinions but about legal facts, aren't they?It doesn't seem that anyone reading this knows the answer better than you.
John, your comment was not up yet when I wrote mine. It was not about your comment.
John Hayes, I like the way you amend the statement to say "are there *any* limits on papal authority." And you amplified the difficulty I mentioned in giving a fuller citation of Lumen Gentium. And certainly action based on conscience would be a personal, perhaps private, way to respond to such a situation. However, there may be ways to develop provisions to handle formally these situations. The college cannot make universal acts without their head, but they can (and have) made particular and local acts that include sanctions - just glance at any edition of Denzinger and you can see them. I know this is "out of the box" in that it lacks historical precedent, but I don't see any reason why it couldn't be done, do you?
Mr. Hayes: You are correct that there is not in today's Code any provision for what the Church must do if a pope becomes a heretic or becomes mentally or physically impaired, but that is a defect in the Code and should be corrected. There was once a very extensive theological and canonical discussion of what to do in the case of a heretical pope, and Robert Bellarmine said that it would be legitimate to oppose even with physical force a pope who was ruining the Church. I don't think the Church should be left simply to wait for an intervention of divine providence, a lightning bolt, a Deus ex machina.Vatican II allows for collegial activities to be initiated "from below," by the bishops, with the pope's eventually approving or receiving the action (see LG 22, end).
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Time-barred debts. Debt collectors have a limited number of years in which they can sue someone to collect. After the time runs out, unpaid debts are considered time-barred. Debt collectors are allowed to contact you about time-barred debts. However, under the federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, they cannot sue you for a debt thats time-barred.Debt settlement. When Im asked, What do you think of debt settlement? I cringe. I gird myself for a frustrating discussion with desperate debtors looking for a quick fix to a problem theyve spent years creating. But trying to nuke your debt away in short order is just a pipe dream for most people. Only about one in 10 consumers participating in debt-settlement programs actually ends up debt-free in the promised period of time, according to a consumer alert issued recently by the nonprofit National Association of Consumer Bankruptcy Attorneys.
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TEMPE -- With his older brother, NBA star Eric in attendance, Arizona State junior Evan Gordon broke out of a shooting slump, pumping in a career-high 29 points in a 90-70 win over Sacramento State at Wells Fargo Arena.
"It was exciting, I guess," downplayed Gordon when asked if he was happy to play well in front of his older sibling. "It was good to play good, I guess he won't critique me as much now."
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The Good - After a sluggish performance against Arkansas-Pine Bluff Thursday night, the Sun Devils came out focused and ready to play. ASU hit their first three shots on the night, two of them three-pointers courtesy of Gordon, and stormed out to an 8-0 lead in the games first 1:42. The Devils would never trail.
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