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Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Age: 30
How long have I been playing: 12 years
Top 5 drummers: Dave Weckl, Tony Royster jr., Travis Barker, Gavin Harrison, Dany Carey
Make of drumkit: Sonor special edition maple (24,18,16,13) 14inch snare
Are you in a band?: drummer in The Treble
Covers or originals: we play 90% originals with the odd cover thrown in. We've been known to cover "wagonwheel" by Old Crow Medicine Show or "Sink Florida Sink" by Against Me.
Style of Music: Folk/Pop/Rock
Country: Canada
How did I start drumming: I played guitar for about 10 years in various rock bands. The drummer quit in one of them and I was the only option for drummer at the time. Traded my Les Paul in for a drum kit and the rest is history.
Here is one of our songs set to a video of our most recent trip to LA. We were down there at the end of may to play a showcase. I'm the one with the tattoos and the grey Winnipeg Jets hat.
Lemme know what you think. We had a blast.
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Hi all!
My name is Philip,
How long have you been playing?
I started when I was 13 but did not do much between 25 and 40.
Your favourite drummers?
Elvin Jones, Billy Cobham, Steward Copeland, Carlton Barret, Jojo Mayer, Zigaboo Modeliste, Dennis Chambers, to name a few.
Make of drumkit?
I just bought a 5 pc. Yamaha Maple Custom Absolute (black to cherry fade) a few weeks ago.
I already had some snares and Pearl hardware.
Make of cymbal?
All if good sounding. Now I use Sabian HH and HHX, Zildjian K and A custom and Paiste Signature.
Where do you practice?
In a practice room / bunker.
Are you in a band?
Yes, just starting out with a new band after playing in a funk band for a couple of years.
Do you play covers or originals?
We started with playing a lot of covers to see where that leads us.
What style of music?
Diverse: pop, (hard)rock, ska, reggae,
Favourite take out food?
What country do you live in?
One really odd fact about yourself?
I also like to play the guitar...
How did you start drumming?
A friend of my parents had a drumkit in his basement and I always sneaked down below.
It had a magnetic force on me so to speak.
Great to be here.
Thanks for having me!
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Real name? -Jestin
How long have you been playing? -7 years
Origin of user name?- My drumset is a tama rockstar and my band's name is Forbidden Relics
Your top 5 drummers?
Joey Jordison, Mike Portnoy, Jimmy 'the rev' Sullivan, Jordan Mancino, Chris Adler
Make of drumkit?
Make of cymbal?
Where do you practice?
Music Garage
Are you in a band?
Do you play covers or originals?
What style of music?
Favourite take out food?
What country do you live in?
One really odd fact about yourself?
I'm a Indian, Christian drummer that loves metal
How did you start drumming?
On the drumset--Concert band during High School
Always loved drums since I set my eyes on them -- when I was 3
Hey, I'm a young drummer from the UK
I'm Raj, 18 years old, I'm in a band: www.soundcloud.com/notbydesign
Have a listen see what you think! I'm also going to start doing some drum remixes, my first two being paris and HAM by Jay-Z and Kanye which I'm recording next week and kinda nervous about cos' I havn't done anything like that before!
Don't hate me for saying it but my idol would have to be Travis Barker!
If you dig the band then give us a like on facebook? www.facebook.com/NBD.UK
We've got more songs on the way!
Send us some links if you want me to check out some of your stuff too :)
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Hello there people!
My name is Wiktor and I'm from Poland. I'm 19 years old and started playing drums at the age of 16 so there will be 3 years in december since I've touched my first kit.
I've been learning all by myself from YouTube and places like this. My parents never supported me in playing drums because it's expensive and they said I will never make money of it. Maybe I won't - but I just love drumming. I have cheap CB drums with Gibraltar 3311DB twin, wuhan 14" china and Alchemy A.R.T 16" crash and some weird no-name ride added... the only kit i could afford. It doesn't sound neither terrible nor good. It's sure enough for me.
I love music. At first I tried to play guitar but I decided it's not for me - when my fingers don't do the job on the guitar's neck I want to smash the guitar against the wall. When I am unable to do something on drums I just take a deep breath and keep practicing. I would like to learn some piano in the future too.
I'm a metal fan and I admire extreme metal drummers. My biggest idol is late drummer of Decapitated: Vitek (RIP). Next one is Gene Hoglan and Inferno from Behemoth right behind. But as you can see on my avatar I like almost every kind of music and I try to develop as well in blasting and rolling with double bass as in smooth, slow playing with your drumsticks low above the drumhead. Long way to go but so far I'm not going to give up :P
Had a band, we fell apart, I'm now looking for some rock or metal band to fill.
Once again: hello! :D
Hey what's up!
I've posted here before a few months ago, and have been visiting this forum for quite a few years already, although I totally forgot to introduce myself! My name is Aaron, I'm 21, I live in Pennsylvania in the good old USA, and I've been into drums pretty much since I was less than a year old! xD
I used to have toy drums until I learned some snare stuff in elementary school when I'd take saxophone lessons. When I got to middle school I'd teach myself to play using the kit in the band room, but my family would never let me have my own drums because they hated the loud sound. Nevertheless, I was able to learn the basics on my own without ever taking lessons, and would casually teach myself all throughout highschool. When I was 18 I really started getting obsessed with drums as a result of my OCD, and begged my step brother who lives a few hours away to let me borrow his kit. The following year I was able to get a job that paid well enough for me to afford my own stuff so every few weeks I would slowly begin sneaking the shells, cymbals, and equipment, and everything that I needed to form my ideal setup.
The obsession amplified over the past few years to the point where I practically eat, sleep, and breathe drums. Ideas for songs come into my head seemingly from nowhere, and often times at work I find myself tapping nonstop, doing rudiments on surfaces, practicing flying fingers in the air, and whatnot. I really enjoy nothing else than coming home and sitting down and just playing. I simply just love it, and although I'm going to college part time for engineering and enjoy that too, someday I wish to make a career out of drumming. I just absolutely love playing any style, and although I can't exactly say anyone influences me in particular--the world around me tends to throw ideas my way seemingly out of nowhere. I would literally play all day every day if given the chance, although living with three other people that dislike when I play and having to work at Sears doesn't allow me to do that in the meantime! Someday, hopefully I'll be able to though!
Right now I'm really looking into forming a band with friends, and I'm working around the clock in my spare time writing guitar, bass, drum, and lyrical parts to songs. I have three other friends that are down for it--I just have to find the time (and the confidence) to jam with them and I feel like I'm procrastinating. It's weird because I feel inferior to basically every drummer I know, and always keep telling myself that I need to improve if I want to be a useful part of a band. I don't have any issues keeping time, grooving, reading music, or learning fast--but it's just this thought in my head that keeps insisting that I can improve, and that I'm not ready yet until I do. I promised my friends we'd start sometime this summer though, so hopefully things get rolling soon! ;)
I wish to share my ideas and record myself in due time! I find that watching myself play from recordings and catching on to any mistakes may actually help me too! I just want to keep doing what I love doing, and if I get somewhere with it someday, then I know I'd go full force and never stop!
But anyways, I feel that was probably a long enough introduction! Whew! Once I start talking, it's hard for me to stop, so that'll be all for now! It's always great talking to other drummers though! I don't have the chance to very often! Hey everyone! ^__^
Re: Hola, ¿soy el único de México?
Escuchen el disco completo de mi banda Zivel "Ligeramente a la izquierda" mientras disfrutan d eun paseo por el centro de la ciudad de México
Hey everyone, I wanted to introduce myself
I started posting some stuff on drummerworld and I just now realized that I haven't posted a proper introduction thread.
My name's Dave and I'm a drummer (no way! right?). I play in a couple of bands in the Dallas, Texas area that are in formation stages. Lots of writing and no gigging with them yet - but I had been in a band for the past 4 years that had been doing some light touring within Texas and Oklahoma and pretty solid gigging within Dallas. I've been playing percussion for about 12 years, and the drum set for about 10 years. I started playing the drum set in middle school jazz band (I'm sure there are a lot of you out there like me in that respect). I'm 24 now. Anyway, I didn't really start taking drumming seriously until about 6 years ago when I decided I'd like to join a band after finally discovering my love of hard rock, metal, and progressive music (yeah, really late bloomer. I know). Anyway, I've been playing seriously since then, working on anything to get me better.
I currently play 2 DW kits (though I've owned a couple of exports, a PDP FS kit, and even a vistalite kit in the past). I've got a finish-ply DW kit in black wrap from the late 90s with the black and silver DW badges that I lucked out on, and a DW Collectors series in Satin Natural to Oxblood Red fade. Both are gorgeous kits in their own way, and both sound great to my ear (or maybe that's just the DW marketing that has been put into my ear since I started taking drumming seriously? lol). I also own some percussion, a few latin instruments like Congas and cowbells and jam blocks and all that.
I love talking drums and learning about the history of the drum set and the companies that helped make an impact on the drumming world. My one complaint is it usually takes quite a long time to research some of the things that I'm interested in. I feel like there should be a wiki for just drum history or something! hah.
Anyway, I'll be around to talk. I'll leave you with some pictures of the drums that I've used throughout the last few years:
And a couple pics of me playing
Anyway, I hope to talk with you all at some point in the future. Have a good one,
Re: Hey everyone, I wanted to introduce myself
Welcome to the forum, Dave...... GROHL?!?!?!?!
Nah, just kidding. Welcome! I love the last picture you posted (the one with you playing).
Nice A Customs btw - cymbal number 5 in the first picture, is that a small crash or a huge splash? Just curious.
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In the first pic, that's a while back, it's a 14" Fast Crash. I still use it occasionally, like when I want a gratuitously large kit (like the double kick drum mock up I posted, lol), or in smaller setups/venues.
Re: INTRODUCTIONS: Please Use This Thread To Introduce Yourself!
Real name?
Too Old. LOL 41
How long have you been playing?
Since 1980. I have quit a few times but my recent comeback has been my favorite.
Origin of user name?
Long drunken story. Donald Duck morphed into DucksusCrapus back in 1990.
Your top 5 drummers?
Steve Smith, Neil Peart, Dennis Chambers, Tommy Lee, Buddy Rich
Make of drumkit?
Just recently moved to a TAMA Superstar Hyper-Drive EFX
Make of cymbal?
Sabain, Ziljian, and Wuhan.....I am not loyal to any cymbal brand.
Where do you practice?
Music room in my house
Are you in a band?
Just now starting a new recording project.
Do you play covers or originals?
Hate playing covers, working on originals only.
What style of music?
I love many styles of music, but seem to gravitate to harder rock/metal, punk and alternative.
Favourite take out food?
Hmmm...not sure why this question is on here, but I would say White Castle, but that is only because there isn't one close by. LOL
What country do you live in?
One really odd fact about yourself?
I'm odd...
How did you start drumming?
Saw a classmate play drums in the 5th grade talent show. Got hooked and have been doing it most my life since
Was big in rudimental drumming for many years. Love marching percussion and drum corps. Love talking drums and playing. My first love has always been cars. Drag racing and building hot rods are my thing.
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Hi guys, This is David from Denver, Colorado. I am a passionate musician. My favourite band is Beatles. Though I am guitar fan but I like drums too. I hope I'll learn a lot from this forum.
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Real name: Mikko
Age: 22
How long have you been playing: About 11 years
Origin of user name: It's an old internet nickname
Your top 5 drummers: Danny Carey, Jon Theodore, Deantoni Parks, John Bonham & Chad Smith
Make of drum kit: Pearl World Series Fiberglass
Make of cymbal: Sabian, Istanbul & Paiste
Where do you practice: At rehearsal space
Are you in a band: Mojo Waves http://soundcloud.com/mojowaves
Do you play covers or originals: We've played one or two covers in our gigs but mostly we play originals
What style of music: Garagedelic rock
Favourite take out food: Hamburgers
What country do you live in: Finland
One really odd fact about yourself: I can't play any other instrument at all
How did you start drumming: The groove in music appealed to me so much that I wanted to try creating that effect myself
Last edited by miassi; 07-03-2012 at 07:45 PM.
Vinícius Calegari from Brazil!
Hello guys! How are you?
My name is Vinícius Calegari, and i live in Brazil... i was born in São Paulo, and music always was in my heart... in a big city like SP, we are often near to music and musicians, and that's why i've been playng drums!
I love every style of music, and i study from the sweetest jazz to the most extreme metal.
It is a pleasure enter in this forum, and have the oportunity to talk to drummers all over the globe!
Soon i will show you pictures of my drum kit(Mapex Meridian Maple) and my cymbals(Meinl, Agean and Amedia)....
Thank's, and hope to see you soon!
ps: Sorry for my bad english ):
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Real name: Jason
Age: 21
How long have you been playing: About 1 and a half years
Origin of user name: Initials plus birth year
Your top 5 drummers: Jason Costa, Chris Adler, Shannon Lucas, Mike Portnoy and The Rev
Make of drum kit: Yamaha DTX 500
Make of cymbal: Ummm same as kit. It's electrical
Where do you practice: At home
Are you in a band: No
Do you play covers or originals: I practice a combination I guess
What style of music: Metal
Favourite take out food: Hamburgers
What country do you live in: Just moved to England. Damn Military, I dare say I miss America already
One really odd fact about yourself: I'm obsessed with The Office. Love me Pam.
How did you start drumming: I listen to All That Remains religiously and Jason Costa amazed me to the point where I had to try it for myself.
UK Drummer/Guitarist
I'm a drummer/Guitarist from the UK, have been playing in bands for about 15 years, my current setup is a stagg maple 4 piece shell pack with a 20" kick, Mapex double pedal, Zildjian/Paiste/Stagg cymbals and a pearl rack. The stagg stuff's not ideal but cost effective at the rate that I break stuff!
My band Near Death Experiment are taking a bit of a direction/line up change, currently we're a solid metalcore band with influences such as Lamb of god, Chimaira, Killswitch engage Atreyu etc but want to add more melodic and prog elements using influences from bands like Tool/Faith no more/Mudvayne etc, you can hear our current demo at http://www.facebook.com/NEARDEATHEXPERIMENT
I play guitar in the band and our old drummer Jamie has left, I'm filling in for now but would really rather get someone who's at least as good as him
Since doing the recording we've added a 2nd singer and are looking to really expand our sound by adding synths/samples/sub-drops etc along with extra percussion players.
Please check us out and let me know what you think.
PS sorry if i'm advertising in the wrong area, is there a classifieds section on here?
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Real name: Duane Chetcuti.
Age: 19.
How long have you been playing: Just started.
Origin of user name: First letter of surname concatenated with my name.
Your top 5 drummers: Not enough in the drumming scene to get my top 5, but I like Cobus
Make of drum kit: Alesis DM6 Electric.
Where do you practice: Home.
Are you in a band: No.
Do you play covers or originals: Improvisation and covers.
What style of music: Almost anything, it depends on my mood.
What country do you live in: Malta Small island in the Mediterranean, Europe.
How did you start drumming: Friends who got a band recommended it.
Duane Chetcuti - Newbie Drummer
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Real name: Sean Mitchell
Age: 39 and holding
How long have you been playing: 20 years
Origin of user name: my online webzine
Your top 5 drummers: Bonham, Buddy, Zoro, Bozzio, Cobham
Make of drum kit: DW performance series
Where do you practice: rehearsal space
Are you in a band: yup - www.themitchellsband.com
Do you play covers or originals: originals
What style of music: groove oriented
What country do you live in: Canada
How did you start drumming: saw buddy rich and animal drum battle on the muppet show ... I was sold right there an then!!!
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Hello all!
Real name: Jim
Age: 48
How long have you been playing: about 5
Origin of user name: other forums
Your top 5 drummers: Peart, Bonham, Akira Jimbo, Moon, Rich
Make of drum kit: - Custom made lit acrylic 6 piece
- Yamaha DtXtreme III Hex
Where do you practice: home/rehearsal space
Are you in a band: yuppers - www.dejabrewband.com and www.wildeyerose.com
Do you play covers or originals: covers & originals
What style of music: rock / celtic
What country do you live in: USA
How did you start drumming: The moment I realized, as a tot, that I could finger drum "wipe out" to a tee :-P
Glad to be here!
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Real name: Mike
Age: 22, in about a week from this post
How long have you been playing: 11 years
Origin of user name: other forums
Your top 5 drummers: Jojo Mayer, Tony Williams, Nick Mason, Mike Mangini, Chad Smith
Make of drum kit: PDP M5
Where do you practice: Wherever I can
Are you in a band: no, unless you count university ensembles
Do you play covers or originals: anything
What style of music: jazz, electronic, latin... again, I'll learn anything.
What country do you live in: USA
How did you start drumming: Saw Buddy Rich vs Animal on the Muppets. Didn't truly start until years later, but that was what spurred it.
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whats up, im josh i live in Athens GA i have been playing since i was 13 im 36 now i play mostly hip hop drum n bass and electronic/dance/dubstep stuff. i play gretsch combined with a Roland td12 with triggers. i have also used the v drum brain with mesh practice heads with triggers via midi to trigger all the drum sounds in ableton my recent stuff has been with serkatree and also L.of8 both on soundcloud if you want to check it out also got some stuff produced on soundcloud as Girlz peace
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Hey everybody! New to the forum. I have checked it out a few times looking for tips or opinions. Very helpful.
Thought it was time I joined so I could express some of my point of views with my many years of experience.
Real name? Kent
Age? 40-ish
How long have you been playing? Since I was 8
Origin of user name? Originally from Indianapolis, 22 was my jersey number in school
Your top 5 drummers? Tommy Aldridge, Alex Van Halen, then to many to list
Make of drumkit? I have 4 kits..... a Pearl Master Series that I use for rehearsal...then I use a Pacific LX Series for gigs. The other 2 are an older Pearl and PDP kit.
Make of cymbal? Both Zildjians and Sabians
Where do you practice? The guitar players house
Are you in a band? Yep.
Do you play covers or originals? We do a wide range of covers
What style of music? Mostly rock with a sprinkle of everything else
Favourite take out food? Burger King original chicken sandwich with extra mayo
What country do you live in? Good Ol' USA
One really odd fact about yourself? I can touch my nose with my tongue
How did you start drumming? Just beating on an old Ludwig snare at the age of 3, then got serious by the time I was 8
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Hi all! Nice to be a member on a drum forum, finally.
Real name: Pete Gibson
Age: 17
How long have you been playing: 7 years
Origin of user name: I don't actually know...
Your top drummers: Buddy Rich, Jeff "Tain" Watts, Benny Greb.
Make of drum kit: - Haven't yet got toms/bass as I can't afford any decent kits, but my snare is Ludwig Black Beauty (Hammered), and all cymbals are Istanbul Agop.
Where do you practice: Home.
Are you in a band: Not at the moment, but played for a few recently.
Do you play covers or originals: Originals.
What style of music: Rock/Jazz to an extent.
What country do you live in: UK
How did you start drumming: Tried out an electric kit in Dawsons for a joke, turned out I apparently had a decent sense of rhythm...
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What's the deal? :D
Real name: Justin
Age: 15
How long have you been playing: Since I was about...4?
Origin of user name: I was with some guys, and I'm not exactly sure what we were talking about but aparently it was ironic. So this guy says, "Woah. That's almost as ironic as a black polar bear!" And I thought it was kind of cool. So I make it my username for pretty much everything..
Your top drummers: Matt Halpern, Travis Barker, Daniel Williams
Make of drum kit: OCDP!
Where do you practice: In my drum room haha
Are you in a band: Yupp
Do you play covers or originals: Both
What style of music: A super wide variety of rock, punk, and alternative
What country do you live in: US
How did you start drumming: My dad had a kit, so I started playing and I love it now :D
New to the Forum
Hi to everyone on the Drummerworld Forum. I had problems finding out quite how to do the inroduce yourself bit so ive resorted to a posting instead..lol...Not too clever with the Laptop im afraid, im sure someone will soon tell me how simple it all is tho...lol..
Im married and live in a small village in Cambridgeshire in the UK..Ive played drums for around 44 yrs at most levels up to and including semi-pro.although these days ive cut right back and play less seriously and more low key...
Over the years ive used many kits from Premier, Yamaha and Pearl and cymbals by Paiste, Sabian and Zildjian...
I hope through this forum to meet some new drumming friends and hopefully be able to share some info and experience with you all...
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Wow, you probably have a wealth of good stories. Welcome. Now get us some photos for our viewing pleasure.
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Welcome to the real worldwide drumming brotherhood!
The back of beyond ...
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Indeed, we love eye candy. Welcome to Drummerworld.
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Well, hello all you wonderful people.
I'm 17. The name's Jacob.
I've been drumming for about 3 years now (yeah, I know, noob)
My user name comes from a word I used to describe a porcupine in second grade.
Top 5 Drummers: Bonham, Dave Grohl (that guy is legit), Ronnie Vannucci (one of the more underrated drummers today imho), Jimmy Chamberlin (Smashing Pumpkins), Travis Barker (blink-182 is really fun to play lol)
I've got a Mapex Voyager kit in Cherry Red (great kit for the price).
Sabian FTW!
My band is called The Flying Surgeons. We have issues. We play an inconceivable mix of garage rock and softer stuff (think white stripes meets John Mayer)
I listen to Green Day, Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, The Killers, Muse, Radiohead, The Strokes, etc. I also like heavy country christmas folk rap.
I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free.
I started drumming because you get a nice little round hole in the drywall when you throw a drumstick at it.
Think about it.
A little newbie forum Montreal...
Hi everybody,
First I'm sorry for my (sometimes^^) bad english, and may you will see many errors cause I just returned forum an intense drumcamp and I'm so tired... ;)
So, i'm Jasbat, a young drummer of 15 years old. I was starting to play drums 4 years ago, when my dad gimme a nice TD-9 with a seat and a cool DW 4000 bass drum pedal at the age of 11.
But I had the rythm feeling before that...
Then I get some snare drums, sticks and brushes, hardware etc... but I don't have any complete acoustic drumset by now.
I already have :
- Roland TD-9 (not upgraded and I don't already planned something about it^^)
- PDP natural wood hoops (SX series) in maple, 14x6
- Sick Gretsch catalina elite Piccolo in maple, 13x4
- Brushe's favorite snare... a 50's no-name one in metal, probably steel... :D
- Zildjian 70's Avedis, 21'' ride and 13'' hats... LOVE...
- Yamaha cymbal and hats stands, Gibraltar snare stand, DW 4000 pedal
Hopefully, I practice on acoustic drums with my personnal teacher and I can carry an hi-hat, a snare and a bass-drum pedal with in a case...
And I transform the case into a bass drum to play on the street! :D
My favorites drummer are :
- Jeff Porcaro
- Aaron Spears (and his SOOOO sick signature sticks!!! <3)
- Bernard Purdie
- Mitch Mitchell
- Papa jo Jones
... and many, many more^^...
My drumcamp's teacher just get endorsed by Pearl for free material and he will give free pass for the Montreal's Drumfest for each of is students! *Edit : Profanity go out of the way, sorry...*
Last edited by Jasbat; 07-22-2012 at 11:08 PM.
Re: A little newbie forum Montreal...
Welcome. You could have left this part out.
*Mod Fxck yeah Motherfxcker* lol
Retirement...August 21, 2015
Feel. Control the Bounce.
Re: A little newbie forum Montreal...
Also, because you had clearly not read the forum rules, I've reported this post to the moderator. Profanity is not accepted on this board, regardless of how little or much experience you have here.
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You know dude, I really don't want to do profanity but... of course, i'm sorry to say that but nobody read seriously the forum's rules... ):
So I go edited my message by now.
Sorry once again I was so intense...
Re: A little newbie forum Montreal...
Just because nobody reads them doesn't mean that they're not there!
No problem. I'm not a moderator but they tend to take a very strict view on it.
I hope you enjoy your time here, you clearly have a lot of enthusiasm and that can only be a good thing!
Re: A little newbie forum Montreal...
... for your own sake, you should, it might come helpful...
...Welcome to the forum.
Keep On Drumming
i'm new here
hi y'all. my name is robyn, and i love music. i'm not a very good musician but i do try and enjoy giving it my best shot. i've mostly played guitar but arthritis is starting to set in pretty good and am cramping up after just a cuple of songs (this really bites the big one too) so have been hitting the skins a lit'l more, doesn't seem to hurt as much. i grew up in a family of musicians so been around music all my life and am the only one in my family that is tone death, seriously. i play what is taught to me. i always wanted to be included in the bands my family were in so they taught me how to run the boards and mixers and all that good stuff so i went from being their number 1 roady and fan to their sound and lighting tech. anyway...getting to the drumming part of this thread...i got this drum kit that was my aunts kit. i've had it for 3 or 4 yrs now but never paid much attention to it coz i had another kit already set up that we liked playing. anyway i set it up for my grandson to start practicing with. it needs some replacements done on it and want to do so with as original i can get. anyway got some photos of it and would like to share them. looked on ebay for some of the replacements and was surprized with the prices, is it really gonna cost that much to fix this kit up and would it make this kit worth it? thanks and hope to hang around here and visit at times, i love music talk, am usually the quiet one who sits back and listens so see ya around
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Welcome to the Forum! Those drums are Camco's (the precursor to Drum Workshop), and I consider them classics and would bring them back up to snuff just because. In fact, I love the old Camcos more than the new DW's, but that's another story.
It might cost some, but you got a classic kit with a classic finish that's pretty rare. If you don't want to spend money on them, don't get rid of them and keep them in the family until someone wants to take care of them!
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those are some gems you have their
check this Camco out.....and listen to what he says about price
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Welcome to the forum! Don't worry, we aren't all here to make a career out of drumming, I'm just a hobbyist myself. We are glad to have all levels of musicians here. Look forward to seeing you around.
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Here's a Camco 20, 12, 14 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Camco-Oaklaw...#ht_500wt_1202 on eBay. Guy wants $1600. Watch it, see if he gets it. Maybe it'll help you decide what to do.
Most important items to get, are the lugs to complete the rack tom. You can fudge with generic triple flange hoops, to get the kit up-and-running. And you can use non-Camco tension rods, etc., to cut cost. No one says you have to do a restore job all at once. Make the kit playable, then work on the originality part of it. This is the finish I'd want http://www.ebay.com/itm/Camco-Chanut...a19974f#ht_143 and it's only 3 grand.
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Hi guys, it's nice to meet you. 808 State is my favorite group!
Anyway I received my hard to find copy of the Invader CD single today in the mail. So I go ahead and pop it in the CD player and upon reaching track 3, the Vegas Soul mix, I'm horribly disspointed to discover it is DIFFERENT from the Vegas Sould Mix I got on mp3 a few years ago. The one I first heard and fell in love with is approxiamately 7:20mins long, and the haunting "Don't Look Down" chant gradually fades in and out during the song.
The CD Vegas Soul Mix has a very similar beat and does sound good, but is only about 5 and half minutes long and isn't as dark and "busy" and the other one, and only says "Don't Look Down" like a couple times.
Can someone explain what is going on? Is it my imagination or did they actually remix the Vegas Soul Mix into something else for the CD?
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WILLIAMSON — According to criminal complaints provided by the Mingo County Magistrate Clerk's office, two defendants were arrested on charges that include driving under the influence, among others.
Leonard R. Simpson, 46, of Wharncliffe, was taken into custody by West Virginia State Police (WVSP) Trooper J.R. Tupper, being charged with DUI, carrying a concealed deadly weapon and failure to stop prior to entering the roadway.
The arrest report states that the trooper observed a vehicle operated by Simpson fail to stop prior to entering U.S. Rt. 52 from the parking lot of the Speedway Service Station in Gilbert. A traffic stop was conducted and upon making contact with the driver, the officer reportedly observed pill residue in the defendant's nasal cavity. Field sobriety tests were administered, which Simpson allegedly failed to complete. During the search of the defendant's vehicle, the trooper discovered a concealed knife with a blade in excess of three and one half inches.
Simpson was transported to the Mingo County Magistrate Court where he was arraigned before Magistrate Pam Newsome, who issued a bond in the amount of $1,400.
Joseph Allen Colangelo, 32, of Avondale, was also arrested by Trooper Tupper in an unrelated incident on charges of DUI, 3rd offense, failure to maintain control of vehicle, defective equipment and destruction of property.
Tupper's complaint reads that the defendant willfully operated a vehicle while under the influence of alcohol and prescription medication. Colangelo was involved in a single-vehicle crash in which he allegedly lost control of the vehicle and struck a concrete column located on the property of Harry Cline. The defendant's vehicle was said to have a defective window in the rear of the truck that obscured the driver's ability to properly see.
Colangelo was unable to complete a series of three field sobriety tests administered by Tupper and also had a measured blood alcohol content of 0.196. He had two prior DUI convictions in 2010 and 2011.
The defendant was arraigned by Magistrate Dee Sidebottom and was jailed on a $1,200 bond.


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Engagement Ring Travels the Boston Marathon
When we look back on the Boston Marathon, many of us immediately think of the tragic bombings. But there are happy stories to tell about that day. In fact, one Maine couple shared an extremely special moment just an hour before the explosions happened . News Source 8's Katie Zarrilli has the story.


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"To patent or not to patent" was the question that the US Supreme Court faced back last year when reviewing the so-called Bilski case. The Court has started to hear a number of patent cases in the past few years. Some, such as the Bilski case, are probably taken to see if the Court can find some sense in the diametrical positions held by advocates and opponents of software and business method patents.
Back in November when the Bilski decision was issued – and which has been extensively commented here and here – the Supreme Court clearly said as long as the patent fulfils one of the categories set out in Section 101 of the 1952 Patent Act (i.e. process, machine, manufacture or composition of matter), then the patent was fundamentally acceptable. It was only if the patent application related to a "law of nature", a physical phenomenon, or an "abstract idea" would a patent be refused.
The Court in Bilski refused to define a "bright line" test for an unpatentable abstract idea. Instead the Supreme Court said that the lower courts should develop "other limiting criteria".
So it was with some interest that lower court – in this case the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit – took on a case relating to patents on the processing of digital images (more accurately digital image halftoning). In RCT v Microsoft, the lower Arizonan Court had held that some of the claims in the patents were invalid as being too abstract. The CAFC said that was incorrect. The CAFC refused to define abstract but said that "this disqualifying characteristic should exhibit itslf so manifestly as to override the broad statutory categories of eleigble subject matter. In other words the patent had to be so obviously "abstract" that it should never be granted. A somewhat rudimentary, but probably practical, test.
What was more interesting was the CAFC's observation that the claimed methods in these patents (held by RCT) incorporated algorithms and forumulas. These algorithms and formulas, even though admittedly a signficiant part of the claimed combination, did not bring this invention even close to abstractness. Since, as the CAFC noted, the Supreme Court had already made it abundantly clear that inventions incorporating and relying upon even a well known mathematical equation do not lose eligibility because serveral steps of the rpcoess use that mathermatical equation.
This is clearly good news for many innovators seeking patent protection. Once again the US has emphasised: you cannot get patent protection for an abstract idea. But once you use the abstract idea (algorithm) for a practical purpose, then patent protection opens up.
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Swamp Fox, a new restaurant on Chesterfield Street, is aiming for a soft opening next week.
Located across the street from the Aiken County Courthouse in the building formerly occupied by Olive Oils, Swamp Fox bills itself as a fine Southern cuisine restaurant.
The owners, Connie and Tommy Dean, and head chef, Ken Roberts, have been hard at work on the property planting new shrubs and flowers out front and cleaning and painting the interior.
"We are shooting for a soft opening by next week. That's the goal. We're going to try," Roberts said.
Roberts said Tommy Dean is a fan of South Carolina history and chose the restaurant's name in honor of Revolutionary War militia leader Francis Marion, who was nicknamed the "Swamp Fox" for leading a band of fighters through the low- and back-country swamps against British troops.
Staff feel the quaint character of the house with its outdoor dining patio surrounded by lattice and climbing plants adds to the restaurant's Southern charm.
And, the location can't be beat, according to Roberts.
"The location is primary – there is residential behind us, the courthouse across the street, and we're downtown," he said.
The eatery's dinner menu will include shrimp and grits and a pecan-encrusted porkchop. Entree prices range from $13 to $25.
"It's comfort food at a higher level," Roberts said. "Comfort food up three or four notches."
Lunch will be a traditional meat and three-side fare.
Swamp Fox will also serve a full breakfast menu, as well as brunch on Saturdays.
Swamp Fox will be open for breakfast and lunch Mondays and Tuesdays, and will be open for breakfast, lunch and dinner Wednesdays through Saturdays.
The restaurant, located at 233 Chesterfield St. S., is currently hiring. For more information, call 642-5111.
The location most recently housed VZ's Big Easy, a Carolina-Creole-Cajun-style restaurant, but has been vacant since the eatery closed more than one year ago.
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In the Garden
: October 26, 2012 : Updated: October 29, 2012 11:15am
Photo By BOB OWEN/STAFFCyclamen brings color to the winter garden.
Look for insects on potted plants you will be bringing indoors for winter. If need be, spray with an insecticidal horticulture soap or top dress the soil with a systemic insecticide.
Be prepared to protect cold-sensitive plants when frost threatens. The average first frost date is Nov. 21.
Try cyclamen along with pansies and violas to brighten flower beds and patio containers.
If you want a green lawn through winter, sow 'Pantera' winter rye grass seed at a rate of 1 pound per 50 to 100 square feet. Only overseed large bare spots or Bermuda lawns that aren't stressed.
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The United States and the New Forces of the World
Remarks by Robert F. Kennedy, Attorney General of the United States, at the University of Indonesia, Jakarta, Indonesia
Wednesday, February 14, 1962
I am delighted to be with you today. I am particularly happy because we have much in common – your nation and mine. You are an old country and a young democracy. We are a young country and an old democracy – the oldest in the world. You have as your symbol the Garuda. The people of the United States claim the eagle. Your motto is "United Through Diversity". Americans have E Pluribus Unum: Out of One, Many. Your flag has the Red of Courage and the White of Purity. Our Flag adds the Blue of Loyalty. Our coastlines both extend for 3000 miles. Ours stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific – yours reach from the Pacific to the Indian Ocean. Both of our peoples boast forefathers from many lands and many tongues – yet each has united its differences into a common language. We seek our Four Freedoms – you strive for your Five Pillars. We each take pride in young leaders. The people of both our countries are dedicated to peace.
Wars of any magnitude release powerful social and economic forces which can change the whole face of the world. The Second World War flooded the world with its postwar problems.
Their variety and complexity touches every person in every land, on every sea, and now even reach into outer space.
Some of these problems were not adequately foreseen. Others, despite the difficulties of their resolution, were both foreseen and encouraged as part of the struggle for man's freedom.
On January 6, 1942, a month after the United States entered the second World War, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, in a message to Congress set forth our objective in that historic conflict. He said:
"In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.
"The first is freedom of speech and expression.
"The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way.
"The third is freedom from want –everywhere in the world.
"The fourth is freedom from fear—which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor."
Americans fought for the four freedoms in this region and around the world and we remain committed to them.
My country seeks their realization today.
President Kennedy in his state of the union message before Congress on January 11th, said:
"Our basic goal remains the same: a peaceful world community of free and independent states – free to choose their own future and their own system so long as it does not threaten the freedom of others."
The President said we seek to enlarge the prosperity of freemen everywhere and achieve a free community of nations, "independent, but not interdependent, uniting north and south, east and west, in one great family of man, outgrowing and transcending the hates and fears that rend our age."
These are old ideas, it is true, but they are the ideas that must be promoted and protected by the young people of your generation and mine.
These are revolutionary, but this is not surprising. The United States was born in revolution and nurtured by struggle. Throughout our history the American people have befriended and supported all those who seek independence and a better way of life.
Therefore, we welcome, the new forces which have come on the world scene because they correspond so closely to those which sparked our own revolution for independence, forces which, we are confident, will lead to the achievement of these freedoms around the world.
What are these forces? What are their opportunities? What are their dangers?
The outstanding spirit abroad in the world today is nationalism – nationalism closely linked with anti-colonialism. Nationalism, itself, of course is nothing new. This self-determination performed the essential function of giving people an identity with their country and with each other. It became in some societies not merely an article of faith and common aspiration – but also a badge of conquest.
This was true of the nationalism which characterized the old Roman Empire, and was the driving force behind the German, Italian, and Japanese dictatorships in the days before World War II. It has not been true of our American nationalism.
Nor is it true of the new nationalism loose in the world today. This nationalism has taken the form of "non-conquest", of disengagement from former economic political ties. It is recreating in many parts of the world a sense of identity and of national aims and aspirations that the old order had too often sought to stifle.
The United States has always been sympathetic with this kind of national aspiration. When Woodrow Wilson during World War I enunciated his fourteen points, among the most important of them was the right of every nation to determine its own destiny and decide its own future. (4)
Although his please was ignored by the councils at Versailles, it stirred emotions in Poland, Czechoslovakia and in the Baltic countries; passions still vividly felt despite the confinement of these people behind the iron curtain.
And in the middle and far east a spark had been ignited and the flame thus enkindled had flared in these post-war years with a vigor never before seen. For this spirit it is natural that we in the United States should have great sympathy.
The American people fought for national independence in 1776 and have been its spearhead ever since.
We know from our own history that the creation of a nation is not an easy matter. It took us years after our revolution – after we ceased to be a colony – to forge our thirteen original states into a nation that could act effectively and protect and promote the welfare of all its people.
Our own history has been tragic on occasion, but out of it we know from experience, as well as from conviction, that success can be achieved. It is from our own knowledge of difficulties we have faced, as well as from our dedication to the ideal of independence, that we have sought to aid new nations with technical and financial assistance during their crucial early years. Our aim is that they survive, develop, and remain proud and independent.
No period of the world's history has seen the birth in such a short space of time of so many new nations as these postwar years.
With more nations, there is bound to be an increase in the forces that, our of jealousies and ambitions, could disturb the peace of the world. The prolific growth of many nations in the place of a few makes it impossible for there to be anything resembling the 19th century Pax Britannica
There can be no such combination of a few ruling powers, such as the Congress of Vienna, to dictate to the peoples of the world just what place in the sun they will be permitted to occupy.
The United States has no desire to impose our conception of the role other nations should be allowed to assume. And I can tell you quite frankly we have no intention of permitting any other nation to enforce its system on other nations of the world.
On the contrary, the answer we have given and shall continue to give calls, as President Kennedy said, for the association of nations on a world and on a regional basis to defend the rights of the least in behalf of the whole.
The rise of the new nationalism has been coincidental with the struggle against colonialism. Anti-colonialism is the one side of the coin whose opposite side is nationalism.
Americans are sensitive to this face because our own history began with freedom from colonial status. It is natural; therefore, repeatedly we have through our moral and spiritual support behind movements for independence.
We did so a century ago, when Simon Bolivar in South American challenged the might of Spain. Woodrow Wilson did so when he announced his principle of national independence and Franklin Roosevelt made it his foreign policy. The United States did so here in Indonesia to help you achieve your independence.
But anti-colonialism is nothing if it does not follow national paths and remain true to its basic principles. If anti-colonialism is the struggle for freedom, then the new nations must remain free.
If freedom is to be meaningful, independence must be accompanied by the desire to forge a nation patterned upon the people's desires. Otherwise freedom can be meaningless in its motives and futile in its operation. And the land will be left prey to forces both within and without which would destroy the very freedom which the people seek.
Each year on the Fourth of July – Americans celebrate Independence Day and renew their faith in freedom. We recall these words from our Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
These words of one of our great Americans, Thomas Jefferson, express a third great force that, as an aftermath of World War II, has spread throughout the world.
It is the belief that the function of the government extends far beyond the mere maintenance of law and order, and has as its fundamental aim the betterment of the many and not merely a few. It is a principle which your government has adopted.
Your president, in striving for an increase of living standards, has set as his goal, "as just and prosperous society."
Its attainment, even to a moderate degree, is difficult. Men may differ as to what form of government will do the best job. Even within independent governments such as yours and mine, there is no rigid formula upon which all of us can agree.
Different cultures, different historical backgrounds, different levels of education, as well as technology, all must have a part in shaping of an answer appropriate for a time and place.
You have a saying in your country:
Line lahdahng, line blahlahng, line loobook, line eekahn.
"Another field, another grasshopper, another pond, another fish."
Or, in other words, each country has its own customs and habits.
But the important thing is regardless of our differences that we all hold firmly to the belief that a just and prosperous society, bringing decent living standards, education and adequate medical care to all its citizens – not to a favored few – is made more nearly possible by men who remain dedicated to the principles of freedom than by those who are bound by a totalitarian system or an economic and political manifesto drafted a century ago as a solution for conditions which scarcely exist today.
In America we cherish the idea that every man has the right to "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." And that government has an obligation to secure that right. Abraham Lincoln, in his Gettysburg Address, described the ideals for which we fought our Civil War 100 years ago, as the survival of a government "of the people, by the people and for the people."
We have protected the rights of the individual, secured our freedom and built the most powerful and prosperous nation the world has ever seen.
As in any society, there are improvements that can be made, problems that remain unsolved. We have not fully attained for ourselves the prosperity that we seek for our people and all mankind.
We can do better and we intend to do so. Our struggles against racial discrimination, our continuing struggle against want, our efforts to life the levels of education so that any man may choose freely in the light of knowledge, all these struggles will continue.
But we are making progress with them. That is what is important. We will not accept the status quo.
A fourth force released by World War II can be designated as the revolt against economic feudalism. It has other names as well, such as economic betterment or the necessity for industrialization or agrarian reform. This, too, is part of your goal of a "just and prosperous society."
All the forces set in motion as a result of World War II are, and continue to be, forces for freedom throughout the world – freedom from foreign domination, whatever its form; freedom from the economic cares of want;
Freedom to achieve; to solve one's own problems; to think and do and act for oneself; freedom from fear; from violence, and from the hopelessness which has so often accompanied poverty.
To me freedom must be an ever expanding and ever widening concept. The horizons of man's ability to achieve a better life – to pursue happiness – are still distant; frontiers are still to be passed, for us and for you, as in deed, for all mankind.
Within the United States we have put great emphasis upon political freedoms. Because it has been our experience that these freedoms can lead to others.
Before Franklin D. Roosevelt became President there were many in America who believed that the poor would always be with us and that their only hope was the charity of the rich.
Government, it was felt, should be largely unconcerned with freedom from want. Labor, for example, had few rights.
The great industries of our country – steel, aluminum, rubber, automobiles – had fenced themselves off from the possibility of being organized by labor through injunctions, labor espionage and individual contracts binding employees not to join labor unions.
With the great depression that began in 1929, the poor suddenly became a horde as unemployment stalked the land. The whole fabric of our economy seemed threatened. How to deal with the depression became an almost impossible problem under the earlier conservative approach.
To many, dictatorship seemed to be the answer. The abandonment of democratic principles seemed necessary.
But in 1933 Franklin Roosevelt and others came to power. They relied upon the democratic process to change the direction of government and to infuse into it a will to face and deal with the issues. Employment thus became a direct object of government concern. This was, in truth, a social and political revolution accomplished within the framework of a democratic government.
Out of that depression measures, which to us are now commonplace, were born. For government in the mid-thirties, having overturned the tides of the depression, became committed to the development of permanent measures to spread more widely and more fairly the rewards of toil.
Old-age security, unemployment compensation, the recognition and protection of collective bargaining of workers, the insurance of bank deposits, the regulation of stock markets; are but a small catalogue of the uses to which government was put in its mission of action, as Lincoln put it, "for the people."
It was this social revolution that hammered out the meaning of the new freedom – freedom from want.
That drive for the economic and spiritual betterment of our nation goes on. Its tempo under President Kennedy has been accelerated. Our plans for medical aid to the aged; for urban rehabilitation and redevelopment; for federal aid to education so as not merely to improve the quality of our primary and secondary education but to make college education available to every young man or woman qualified and eager to undertake it; our drive to increase foreign trade by both increasing exports and imports – these are some of the aspects of our new economic and social programs.
These are some of the new frontiers we are presently seeking to conquer.
We in the United States regard highly the importance of private incentive. We see it as a mainspring for social action. This does not mean that state enterprise is incompatible with freedom. Our public power, our nuclear energy development and similar undertakings, are proof that we can utilize, where desirable, the credit of the state in lieu of private capital.
But our history has been primarily that of private enterprise – controlled by the government whenever necessary in the public interest.
No other nation to my knowledge has left the development and ownership of its transportation systems, both rails and airlines, or its communication system in private hands.
We have had time and the resources to do so. Other nations may not have time to wait or the resources to do so. But the degree of private and public control is not the test of freedom, either economic of political.
Complete economic activity by the state can stifle freedom, but the point at which a balance is struck between the use of promoting the two methods of producing wealth will vary from time to time and from nation to nation.
I say this because we have no desire to fasten our economic image upon any civilization. We think the balance between these two areas of activity must be based on experience. It must be hammered out in the light of the culture and resources of a particular nation and not to be answered by a doctrinaire ideology which, far from the being revolution, is a new feudalism that enslaves rather than frees.
The important factor and the one to which we are committed, is that the state exists for man; that man is not a tool of the state.
It is difficult for me to understand why the opposite ideology could appeal to any peace-loving nation or to a nation that takes – and rightly takes – a fierce pride in its independence.
At home this ideology subjugates the individual to the state.
On the international scene it looks to the envelopment of nations into a system which it must control. Divergence of views, either at home or abroad, can be tolerated. Of these perils, we have sought to make our friends aware. Against them we offer no set ideology, no patent means of government, but an emphasis on individual dignity and a program of opportunity and assistance in terms of friendship.
I cannot leave this platform without remarking on the great problems that face us in the world today and the role that young people must play in achieving their solution. The younger men and women will have to live longer with these problems and will have to find new answers year after years in every field – in government, in politics, in business, in the science, in the arts.
The great challenges of these years, the responsibilities that now must be met, provide greater incentive and greater opportunity than ever before for the educated young people of our world.
Education is more than merely giving an individual an economic advance over his neighbor; over those who are less fortunate.
We have obligations and responsibilities to our fellow citizens, to our country, indeed to the people of the entire world in these days when we are all each other's neighbors. We have responsibilities to encourage and spread the dedication to independence and to freedom.
I am proud to join with you today in that endeavor.
I also in closing want to mention a remarkable parallel between your country and mine that I believe has a meaning not only today but for the future. The motto of my country is "E Pluribus Unum" or "One out of many, one." Originally, it had reference to the welding of a national government out of our original thirteen states.
But just as concepts of freedom expand, the meaning of mottoes grows. Into that original union have now poured millions of immigrants with their varied cultures and traditions. And yet out of these many, there is still one country, one flag, one loyalty.
Our culture has been enriched by the culture of all Europe and by the knowledge and imagination and traditions of many other countries. Africa, for example, has contributed much to our music; the Middle East and Far East to our art, our literature and our philosophy.
You, too, have a motto – "Unity through diversity." In your ethnological and religious diversity you resemble us and we resemble you.
In your vast country you must deal with the distances as we do. But from north to south and from east to west you are building that same single loyalty, which preserves differences and yet has a unity of purpose devoted to the good of all the people.
Freedom, I trust, will be their proud possession just as it is ours – freedom under law and a government of the people by the people and for the people.


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Google has launched a UK version of Google Maps. The service doesn't include satellite imagery just yet, but does include all the regular colour-rich mapping data, directions and local searching for that trusty local pizza parlour.
Google Maps comes in addition to the previously released Google Maps on the .com domain name. I suppose this makes http://maps.google.COM - Google Maps North America? Does anyone know of any other Google Maps in other geographies?


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By Lisa Loomis
A coalition of local organizations and individuals is working to purchase the 22-acre Kingsbury family farm on Route 100 in Warren.
The farm, which has 2300 feet of frontage on the Mad River, a
2800-square-foot house and several outbuildings, has been on the market
since last year. It is currently priced at $495,000, down considerably
from the initial asking price of $1.2 million.
Bob Ferris, director of the Yestermorrow School in Waitsfield, said that the most recent price reduction is what got many local people to take notice.
"When the price fell below a half million, all of this came together. People mobilized for the opportunity and the risk and started to figure out what do we need to do to act," he said.
Ferris, representing Yestermorrow, the Warren Planning Commission, the Mad River Valley Housing Coalition, the Mad River Localvore, the Mad River Valley Planning District, representatives from the Intervale and the Vermont Land Trust all came to a planning meeting to brainstorm ways to keep the farm as an agricultural and community resource.
"We've started the work, but we need to give them some sort of answer about whether we're going forward or not by mid-September. We need to get organized as to what non-profit and government funding commitments we need to get lined up and we're making some progress in that area. We know that there is going to be some chunk of it that we have to raise from the public and we hope to be able to talk to people about buying in, because of what's at risk," he continued.
Ferris said that several things are at risk including the loss of the agricultural resource as well as the aesthetic impact of a working farm on the Route 100 corridor. Opportunities for the project are numerous, he said. In addition to securing public access to a spectacular portion of the Mad River, the property could extend/connection portions of the Mad River Path; could be used for localvore farming or farm housing; the barns could be used for classes and possibly student housing for Yestermorrow; the farmhouse could be redeveloped as affordable or worker housing, etc.
The need for more agricultural land is particularly acute, Ferris said and pointed out that at least two local organic farmers are maxed out in terms of production. He said there is a market for more local produce.
He said the idea to purchase the property and get it into public hands or conservation came from a lot of community members at the same time.
"I think everybody was driving by it and became aware of it as an historical treasure and an important contributor and resource in The Valley. As it remained on the market with the price dropping, I think people began to look at what could replace the farm if it were purchased by someone who developed it," he said.
When the organizers got together, all of them saw the property as a vehicle for providing public good and accomplishing an element of their respective missions. And all were worried that the recent price reduction could very well open the door for the purchase of the property by someone who would greatly alter the use and look of this very visible and iconic Vermont farm.
When the Kingsbury family learned that an offer was being made by a group who wanted the property to be used as a farm and also to be managed and utilized for the public good, they accepted the offer.
The purchasing group is rapidly putting together a membership-based LLC with membership limited to local nonprofits that might have an interest in using or being involved with the preservation, enhancement and future uses of the 22-acre site and the buildings. Ideas on the table at this point include some sort of farming or agricultural related operation, community education, housing, riverside restoration and buffering, and a venue for occasional events.
A steering committee has been established which includes Ferris, Mad River Valley Planning District director Linda Lloyd, Tara Hamilton from the local conservation commission, Localvore organizer Robin McDermott, Kinny Perot, and Liza Walker from the Vermont Land Trust.


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So I still have some 'swag' laying around from the UFC Fan Expo the Wife and I attended in Houston when Frankie fought Gray for the 345th time. Two items, one cool, one uber cool, and I'm gonna run a giveaway of sorts.
Giveaway #1
- 1 entry per person
- First person to correctly guess how long my Wife and I have been married, wins.
Headrush Key Lanyard
Giveaway #2
- 1 entry per person
- All you have to do is post your name and why you would want this unique item. All names will be randomized through Random.org
Charles 'Mask' Lewis trading card Autographed by Punk Ass and Skyscrape
Figured these would be some cool items for any MMA fan to have. Especially the auto'd card.


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InstantKlassick Blog
Leaving Gamespot...
by InstantKlassick on 7 Comments
It is with sad news that I have to inform you that I am leaving Gamespot. I don't want to, nor did I ever think I would be pushed away. It is obvious that the morons in the programming and "web design" department do not care about "ease of access." This site has completely turned to sh*t. They dont care that we dont have Union, or FUSE. Im over it. This site sucks. If anyone wants to get ahold of me please find me on PSN (Killah184) or if you really want to stay in touch, PM and I will give you my email. I have made a lot of great friends on this site. Too many to mention really. And I have made some enemies too, only because I have an opinion. :) Anyway, thanks guys for the last 6 years. I will miss all of you. Take care and I will see you on the other side. Hopefully I will come back when GS makes the site operational.
Played Shadows of Colossus and....
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I also did not like it. Wow, what is it with these games that have a broken camera angle and busted controls. Can't wait til The Last Guardian is free for PS+ so I can experience that train wreck too.
Shadows Of Colossus 3/10
I Hate Change!
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I really do not like this new setup...
"Everywhere I go, I see the same ho..."
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No matter if I am playing Last of Us, watching Juno the movie, or watching the trailer for Beyond: Two Souls, this chick is everywhere. I was flipping thru the channels and saw her on Letterman, this girl is everywhere :lol:
Grand Theft Auto V - 100%
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Now to sit back and relax and enjoy GTA online :D
GTA V after thoughts
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Ok, let me start by saying that GTA V is a great game...while it lasts. for anyone that has beaten the game, is anyone else feeling "bored" with the game? I mean while playing it and doing the story missions/side quests etc it deserves a 9-9.5. However, after you finish all these things, the game averages out to about a 7. I am kind of excited for online, but the idea of microtransactions steers me away from it. After I've done everything the only thing to do is golf and play tennis. Was I caught up in the hype/excitement? tell me your thoughts. Thanks guys!
Response to my "ICO Sucks" comment
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So the other day, I game an opinion and I said ICO sucked. Story time: My buddy bought the game years back when it first came out and he HATED it. I never understood why he hated it. I kept saying "people say it's a great game" "Game sites give it good ratings" He said to play it. I said, I will later down the road. It is now on PSN for free. I gave it a download and popped it on. Played it for 10-12 minutes. I saved the girl in the cage, yada yada.
He was right. I did not like it at all. I can look past the graphics; yes it is a PS2 game, it will not look as good as anything now or close to it unless you are playing the Wii or Wii-U (just joking Wii U kids.) For those who got their thong in a wad and have to have a reason for ME disliking a the game, here goes. The controls were absolutely abysmal and unresponisive. The camera angle was worse than that of a Ninja Gaiden game. (I love NG games btw - calm down people)
I'm a "first impressions kinda guy" YES, I can tell if I like a game within 10-20 minutes of playing. To me "story" is an after thought. If the controls suck, camera angle sucks, and general game mechanics suck, then I cant play long enough to give a damn about the story. I dont have to invest 5-6 hours into a story and waste my time for me to say, "Hmm this game kinda sucks or this game is awesome" Also, why do people feel the need to hate on those who have opinions? Whats the difference between me saying "Ico sucks" and some other GS user using the rating scale and rating it a 3.5 or 4 with no explanation of his/her rating?
I know people get mixed up with their fanboy/girl crap and want to rape/kill/riot if some one has an opinon and says that a critically acclaimed games sucks. Here's the thing, it's not the end of the world. You like your games, I like mine. Not everyone is going to like the same damn game. I wasn't trying to troll, I just dont have a lot of time to sit on here and post a long a$$ blog about why I dislike a game.
P.S. Making this blog was probably a mistake, Im sure I will get flammed or $hit on, but oh well. It's not the end of the world.
Have a good one guys, Im out for 4 days after tonight. See ya Tuesday night! :)
When is everyone going "next gen"
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When is everyone taking that leap to either buy the Xbox 1 or the PS4? I don't think I am going to get the new console until next spring or summer. I still have GTA online, Batman arkham origins, and wwe 2k14. I think any game that comes out on both the ps4 and ps3, I'll just but for the ps3. The "next gen" graphics aren't that important to me. Games like BF4, Watch Dogs will be purchased for PS3. What are your thoughts on this. Thanks guys!
GTA V - The Aftermath
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I recently completed GTA V :D and now am sitting back waiting for online. :x What are some things you guys/girls are doing in game to pass time? :) I myself am golfing, and playing tennis. :cool: I love Tennis games and Tiger Woods golf. ;) I feel like I no longer have to waste my money on buying a tennis/golf game now that I have GTA V:P I thought about replaying some of the missions, but I just don't feel like they were that "replay worthy" :?
Anyone who knows me, knows that I HATE online gaming. :shock: My exceptions are Skate 3 and Red Dead Redemption. I never played GTA IV online as I hated the game in general :evil: I am hoping that I will like GTA online and they have some sort of "private" settings; I dont want to deal with the general public, friends only for me :oops: If you guy have GTA and want to play online, please add me. Killah184 :D


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The Owen Rebels 9U finished with an overall record of 11-4 and were the Markland Dam regular season and tournament runner-ups. The team is coached by Matthew Cull, John Fitzgerald, Brandon Kemper and Josh Hearn.
There will be a golf scramble on Aug. 23 at the Fairway Golf Course in Wheatley to benefit God's Special Little Hearts, a local non-profit organization that helps families that have children with a congenital heart defect.
The entry fee is $50 per person and includes green fees, cart rental and post-tournament meal.
Registration will begin at 7:30 a.m. with a shotgun at 8 a.m.
The Owen County Youth Soccer League and its state and national affiliates are looking for referees.
The process for certification is handled through a full day – or two – instruction class and a written exam on the material.
The league will pay for the initial certification if you agree to work four games in the upcoming fall season.
The league also pays game fees for games worked.
Being certified also allows you to work matches and tournaments in other areas of the state and country, as you gain experience.
The Owen County Friends of Football will be hosting a KOI Drag Racing competition Aug. 9 at the Owen County Fairgrounds.
Practice begins at 5 p.m. with eliminations starting at 7 p.m.
There is 100 percent payback in all classes.
There are 26 classes:
1) 0-50 cc ATV (12 and under) 2 and 4 stroke
2) 51-125 cc ATV (12 and under) 2 and 4 stroke
3) 0-50 cc Bikes (12 and under) 2 and 4 stroke
4) 51-91 cc Bikes (12 and under) 2 and 4 stroke
5) 126-250 ATV0-50 cc Bikes (12 and under) 2 and 4 stroke (No 250R)
The Owen County Minor League Baseball team captured third place in the Tri-County Invitational Tournament over the weekend.
On July 11 through 13, the KAOS team from Frankfort coached by Brian Redmond, Aron True and Rodney Parker took a trip to Crossville, Tennessee to play teams from across the United State to bring home the undefeated victory of winning the 14U Girls Fastpitch Softball World Series.
Owen County local girl Kaitlyn Parker, the daughter of Rodney and Deborah Parker, is the pitcher for the KAOS team.
Kaitlyn Parker, along with two of her teammates Katherine Mangeot and Emma Hamilton, were also named to the 14 and Under All World Team.
Grant Cobb, a 13-U player on the Danville Mustangs baseball team, played six positions during the USSSA World Series over the Fourth of July holiday tournament in Kingsport, Tennessee and received the tournament's defensive most valuable player award.
The Mustangs won the tournament by defeating a team from Fredrick, Maryland in the championship game. The USSSA tournament hosted teams from five states.
The Mustangs also won the 13-U Nationals Tournament held in Elizabethtown, June 23-29 over teams from six states.
The Owen County Grey Team competed in the Rivercat Rumble July 10-12 in Carrollton.
I just flipped the calendar over and bam, it hit me that it is July already!
I'm not sure what happened to May and June but they are in the history books now.
This has been a weird year in terms of weather. First, we had the winter that wouldn't end and then spring sprang and kept going and now it's officially summer.
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The Owenton News-Herald is your source for local news, sports, events and information in Owen County and Owenton, KY, and the surrounding area.


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Karen Dietz's curator insight, July 16, 6:39 PM
Ffion Lindsay at Sparkol does another terrific job putting together 8 story structures any business can use, then gives us examples for each. Better yet, for each structure she shares with us what situations they are good for. Yay!
If you are looking to refresh your stories and just want to play with sharing your stories in different ways -- or are stuck not knowing how to tell one of your stories -- then grab this article.
If you use these other structures, you won't get stuck in the monomyth of the hero (a good thing).
Monomyth dangers
I have noticed one piece of language changing, however. That is the word "Monomyth". Mono means one or alone. Mono + myth means one myth. Joseph Campbell coined this term to refer to the Hero's story as the one all encompassing archetype for narratives. From there it morphed into also meaning a narrative common to all people. But it has a stranglehold on our storytelling, as if there are no other kinds of stories to tell.
Now the word is being used without question. Make sure you listen to the video in this article by Chimamanda Adichie on The Danger Of A Single Story.
The monomyth of the hero's journey is eclipsing other kinds of stories to tell. In the mad rush for business storytelling, the hero's journey is often touted as the only story to pay attention to. Stories of community, origin stories, how we do things, cautionary tales, and the like are neglected, but we are starving for them.
Anyway, enjoy playing with these structures and well done Ffion!
This review was written by Karen Dietz for her business storytelling curation at www.scoop.it/t/just-story-it
Alexis Niki's curator insight, July 17, 1:49 AM
This is one of the best articles on business stories I've read in a long time. The author not only explains different story structures, she indicates when to use them and includes video examples for each structure. Enjoy!
Lee Hall's curator insight, July 17, 9:02 AM
This article will be a great resource for student projects.
Sue Alexander's curator insight, July 18, 2:15 PM
Oh boy! All the resources in one place! Happy Dancin'
Aris P. Louvris's curator insight, July 28, 7:24 AM
Παρότι στ' Αγγλικά, χρησιμότατο για τα ιστολόγια ή τα sites!
Steven E Teator's curator insight, July 19, 10:00 AM
The Flipped Classroom can apply various aspects of Blending Learning. This video is an overview discussing the benefits of Blending Learning.
Iva Golec's curator insight, July 31, 3:46 AM
Great video explaining the benefits of blended learning and how it's transforming learning.
Ken Morrison's comment, July 20, 9:55 PM
Thank you for the ReScoop. You have a great page here. I should come back more!
Ken Morrison's curator insight, July 15, 8:34 PM
Although this is not their best post, Asia News Weekly has been improving their coverage lately.
Neil Ferree's curator insight, July 15, 5:26 PM
One of the first things you will want to get a handle on before you execute your content marketing strategy is to document your content curation editorial calendar.
Linda Buckmaster's curator insight, July 12, 7:38 AM
Wherever you are on the one-to-one spectrum here's some advice to help you move forward and make the most out of these new resources in your classroom.
Ken Morrison's curator insight, July 8, 9:16 PM
I am a big fan of Steven Johnson's ideas and way of sharing them in an easy way for all to understand. I am glad that PBS is supporting his series with excellent classroom resources.


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Explore the state of Delaware
Walk back into time when life was more gracious. Explore a complete Victorian Italianate mansion with slave quarters, barns, sheds and spacious grounds. Learn what life was like before the Civil War, why a popular Delaware governor was smuggled to England with a Federal warrant out for his arrest and how the "War of Northern Aggression" changed life forever.
Located on Ross Station Road one mile north Seaford.


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Ed Tech Help Resources
Educational Technology Help Resources
This site is meant as an educational resource for Kent State University at Stark faculty. Here you'll find links to technology support staff contact information, instructional guides for software, and other helpful information.
In-Person Assistance
Click here for contact information for technology support staff at Stark Campus, including Educational Technology Designer, Network Services, Media Services, and the 24/7 KSU HelpDesk.
Want to create online materials for your classes, but don't know where to start?
Visit the Office of Continuing & Distance Education's Online Learning Site.
What software can I use to create online course materials?This page ( Online Course Development and Delivery Software) in particular is very helpful when starting to create online content. You can think about what type of activity you want to create and then find out what KSU-supported software can help you. This is not to limit how you create your course materials, but to help guide you along the way.
What resources are available specific to Stark Campus only?
Panopto is a multimedia capture software licensed for Stark Campus faculty and staff. Click here for more information about Panopto at KSU Stark.
Moodle is an alternative Learning Management System that is supported at Kent State University at Stark. It offers certain features that Blackboard Learn does not, such as guided lessons and LaTex integration. Click here for more information about Moodle at KSU Stark.
Online Software AssistanceClick the links below to view step-by-step instructions, videos, and other support information for various KSU software.
FlashLine is Kent State University's portal for access to email, Google Drive, Blackboard Learn, faculty and advisor tools, employee resources, etc.
- Blackboard Learn
Blackboard Learn is the Learning Management System for Kent State University. It is used to host course materials, online testing, and online activities.
Respondus is a test creation software that integrates with Blackboard Learn.
Panopto is a multimedia capture software licensed for Stark Campus faculty and staff.
Microsoft Office (Word, PowerPoint, Excel, Outlook)
KSU Multimedia Apps (KSUTube, Multimedia Presenter, KSU Dropbox)
KSUTube is a video hosting site, similar to YouTube. Multimedia Presenter allows you to create flash-based narrated PowerPoints and presentations suitable for online viewing. KSU Dropbox gives you a place to store your files online for sharing and access from any computer.
Camtasia Studio allows you to record your computer screen, record audio narration, edit video, and output in different formats.
SMART Board and SMART Notebook
SMART Boards are interactive whiteboards which are connected to classroom computers. SMART Notebook software can be used in conjunction with the SMART Boards or on its own to create interactive educational materials for use in the classroom or online.
Moodle is an alternative Learning Management System that is supported at Kent State University at Stark. It offers certain features that Blackboard Learn does not, such as guided lessons, calculated quiz questions, math symbols, and LaTex integration.
Google Sites
Google Sites is a free online website-building tool that both faculty and students at Kent State University at Stark can use to create websites and online portfolios.
Clickers (Turning Point)
Clickers are wireless response devices that students can use in the classroom to take polls and quizzes with the responses reported to the instructor.


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Wonders of the Solar System DVD
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- Additional Details
- Format: DVD
- Rating: Not Rated
- Number of Discs: 3
- Run Time: 293 Minutes
- Region: 1
- Aspect Ratio: Widescreen
- Language: English
- Studio: BBC Warner
- DVD Release Date: September 7, 2010
- Subtitles: English
- Audio: ENGLISH: Dolby Digital Stereo
- Genre: Documentary
- Color: Color
- Includes:
Two Horizon Programs Hosted By Brian Cox:
What On Earth Is Wrong With Gravity?
Do You Know What Time It Is?
- Release Date: 2010
Experience the extraordinary"¦in our planet's own backyard. Wonders explores some of the most amazing features of our very own solar system - how the forces of nature carved out beauty and order from the chaos of space; how our home planet doesn't sit in magnificent isolation but is intimately connected with the rest of the solar system; and how these connections have created the haven we call Earth. Using the latest scientific knowledge and breathtaking images beamed back from the fleet of probes, rovers and telescopes currently in space, this gorgeous imagery will is paired with some of the most spectacular, extreme locations on Earth help to reveal wonders never thought possible.


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The governors of Oklahoma and Colorado, two states with a vested interest in the natural gas industry, were in Detroit Monday, making the case for why U.S. automakers should produce more natural gas vehicles.
Governors Mary Fallin of Oklahoma and John Hickenlooper of Colorado carved out some time between meetings with General Motors, Ford Motor and Chrysler Group to talk with Forbes about their campaign to promote natural gas vehicles. "If you squint your eyes, and look at the way the world is, and the way it could be," said Hickenlooper, "if we had 20% of the country's vehicles running on natural gas, that helps everybody."
Motorists would save the equivalent of $1.50 to $2 per gallon on fuel, cars would pollute less and America would produce its own energy rather than relying on foreign oil, he said. "There are 26 states that have significant gas shale exploration so the jobs will be spread all over the country. Natural gas is cleaner, cheaper, keeps the world safer, and creates American jobs. So how do we get to that place?" he said.
Both Hickenlooper and Fallin know that CNG vehicles face a classic "chicken-and-egg" quandary: Consumers won't buy them if they're too expensive or too inconvenient to refuel. And carmakers won't build them without adequate demand.
Washington has been unable to adopt a national energy policy, so Fallin, a Republican, and Hickenlooper, a Democrat, are leading a bipartisan commitment by 13 states to purchase thousands of natural gas vehicles for their fleets as both a cost-saving measure and as an incentive for the industry to develop them. With the combined purchasing power of 13 states, Fallin and Hickenlooper hope to create enough momentum to justify the investment as a win-win for everyone.
"Chrysler told us they need to sell several thousand CNG vehicles" to make the investment economically feasible, said Hickenlooper. "To us that seems doable. It does to them, too."
Oklahoma this year plans to replace about 500 of the vehicles in its aging fleet of more than 11,000 cars and trucks, Fallin said. If every state did the same, the demand would be substantial, she said. Participating states include: Oklahoma, Colorado, Wyoming, Pennsylvania, Utah, Maine, New Mexico, West Virginia, Kentucky, Texas, Ohio, Mississippi and Louisiana.
The timing is right, added Hickenlooper. Many states have delayed their fleet purchases for the last few years because of budget shortfalls. So the pent-up demand is coinciding with the discovery of abundant new sources of natural gas in the United States. "If you can aggregate the demand, we think there will be a large order coming in," he said. "It's like a snowball going down a hill: once you get a few states to purchase cars, the costs come down….I don't think anybody has done this before."
The governors said they anticipate putting out a multi-state bid for the vehicles within a few weeks through the National Association of State Procurement Officials, which aggregates buying power for states on things like computers and other common purchases. They expect replies within a few months. It could take manufacturers a couple of years to develop the cars.
Aftermarket kits are already available to convert your car to run on natural gas, but so far, very few manufacturers sell factory-built CNG vehicles. Chrysler recently introduced the Ram 2500 heavy duty CNG pickup, and GM will soon start selling natural gas versions of its heavy duty pickups too. "Vehicles such as the Ram 2500 Heavy Duty CNG pickup meet today's consumer needs without compromising tomorrow's energy demands," said Peter Grady, Vice President – Network Development & Fleet, Chrysler Group . "Also, ours is the only factory-built CNG-powered truck and is fully warranted by Chrysler Group." Honda Motor is the only manufacturer selling a natural gas-powered sedan. So far this year, it has sold about 3,000 CNG-powered Civic compact sedans to fleets and dealers, but only in limited markets.
According to Hickenlooper, Chrysler provided figures showing that a CNG Ram pickup would cost about $11,000 more than a standard gasoline truck, but the owner would save $20,000 in gasoline over a five-year period, for a net savings of $9,000.
"The United States has an abundant supply of natural gas resources that are currently supporting millions of jobs throughout the country," said Fallin. "By promoting CNG use, states are supporting the production of an American-made energy source that creates American jobs and reduces our dependence on foreign oil. While Washington struggles to find a coherent energy policy, states are leading the way in promoting cleaner, more affordable, American-made fuel sources."