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Youir Kl tractor story needs some correcting,
production ended in early December 1952, due to unsold tractors piling up, many myths have been written and are incorrect, why did Chamberlain stop production of tractors in early 1952 for 3 months ??? Tractors were piling up and the new generation Lanz tractors did not go on sale in Australia until at least April 1953, obviously after KL tractor production ceased. if you would like the whole story see Restored Cars magazine July 2009, next issue has rest of story and is what really happened.
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- A Manufacturer Springvale, Australia
- B Designer Mannheim, Germany
- C Restorer Yarra Glen, Australia
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Tractor - KL Bulldog, 1951 Reg. No: ST 045021
- Summary:
- Before Kelly & Lewis embarked on their Bulldog tractor project in August 1947, there had been several earlier attempts to manufacture tractors in Australia to a range of local and overseas designs. The Melbourne firm A.H. McDonald & Co., had pioneered Australian tractor manufacture with their "Imperial" EA model in 1908, but like most of the initiatives that followed over the next three decades, the project meet with only limited success and only a small number of the early McDonald tractors were made. The McDonald TW and TWB 'Super-Diesel' tractors were produced between 1930 and 1944 with production reaching one tractor per working day between 1936 and 1940. However demand exceeded supply as McDonald's could not produce tractors at a faster rate.
Both during and immediately after World War II, Australia faced an acute shortage of tractors, severely hampering agricultural production. Both Federal and State Governments were keen to stimulate local tractor manufacture, which had almost ceased during World War II, due to shortages of materials, labour and equipment. Chamberlain Industries received assistance from the Western Australian government to produce their larger tractors in Perth in the 1950s. Although a range of initiatives were proposed, the KL Bulldog was the first new Australian tractor to go into production after the war. The project had the financial and technical backing of Kelly & Lewis, then one of Australia's largest engineering firms, with half a century of experience manufacturing a diverse range of products from centrifugal pumps to air compressors, steam and internal combustion engines, power station condensers and structural steelwork, including machinery for the Spotswood Sewerage Pumping Station. Engine castings were made in Hobart.
The "KL Bulldog" was based on the German "Lanz Bulldog" tractor design, originally developed in 1921, by Dr Fritz Huber, and manufactured by Heinrich Lanz AG of Mannheim and successfully exported throughout the world before World War II. The Lanz factory was destroyed in bombing raids during World War II. Production of the KL Bulldog commenced at Springvale, Victoria in 1948, at an initial rate of 20 tractors/week and continued until 1952, with about 900 built in total. At the heart of the Bulldog tractor is a huge 10.7 litre single-cylinder two-stoke semi-diesel engine that produces excellent torque at low revs and has a loud and very distinctive barking exhaust. The hot-bulb ignition and the need to manually turn the engine over using the removable steering wheel column makes the tractor somewhat temperamental to start. It would run on almost any liquid fuel, from kerosene to low-grade light crude oil or even old engine sump oil. Lanz and KL Bulldog Tractors were a proven low-cost and very reliable power unit ideally suited to ploughing, cropping or even belt-work driving stationary machinery. Under a fluctuating load the hit-and-miss governor would open up with the exhaust resounding to an increasing tempo of deep throaty barks. Unfortunately for Kelly & Lewis, newer tractor models came back on the Australian market with features such as electric starter motors making the KL Bulldog seem out of date and sales never reached the expected volume.
This tractor was the 428th KL Bulldog made, being sold new to Neil and Eric Ellis of Devenish, near Benalla, in 1951. The Ellis Brothers used the tractor for wheat cropping work until 1964, when it was traded in on a new Nuffield tractor. It was then purchased by the German immigrant Lou Murr, who had previously worked for both Kelly & Lewis and Lanz in Germany. He was by this stage running his own business repairing and trading KL and Lanz Bulldog tractors, travelling throughout Victoria and New South Wales in a VW combi van. He fitted a 4-inch Harland centrifugal pump and sold the tractor to Alan Gilmore, who used it for irrigating his nut farm at Thornton, pumping water from the Goulburn River. The tractor remained in regular use until the late 1970s and was acquired for restoration in 1987. It has been repainted to original colours, with signwriting reflecting the first owners.
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|K.L. Tractors Ltd, Springvale, Victoria, Australia, circa 1951
|Dr Huber, Mannheim, Germany, 1921
|Mr Richard Newell, Yarra Glen, Victoria, Australia, 1987-2000
|http://business.unisa.edu.au/tonyburnell/lanz/KL_Bulldogs/index.htmIan M. Johnston, "Classic Tractors in Australia".
craig pink Posted on 26 Nov 2009 12:52 PM
also the kl tractor you have has a prewar steering wheel, it doesn't matter, the original is a 3 spoke type and came from the Bren Gun Carrier, early Chamberlain tractor production used the same.
Discovery Centre Posted on 20 Dec 2009 1:26 PM
Hi there, thanks for your feedback. We've referred your detailed information to one of our History & Technology staff.
Discovery Centre Posted on 21 Dec 2009 10:49 AM
Hi Craig - The curator has previously updated the information based on the Restored Cars article but it will not update to the web until the next data reload. These photos were taken before the Museum acquired the KL and it has since been fitted with the correct Bren Gun Carrier type steering wheel.
Herby VOIGT Posted on 02 Sep 2011 2:33 PM
The Hot Bulb Lanz Bulldog tractors are NOT semi Diesel, they are crude oil tractors.
charles Posted on 29 Sep 2012 6:50 PM
Hi liked your story i remember as a pre teen in the late 60's a neighbour had a Lanz Bulldog bought at auction for $10 it was never used for work just as a go kart fun for all the kids in the district to ride on yes those were the days of fun can still see and remember it so well
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EDITOR'S NOTE: This is the final part of a series breaking down Marshall's football progress through the first half of the season.
HUNTINGTON -- Heading into the football season, Marshall University had experienced kick and punt returners but question marks in the punting and kicking games.
Boy, has that turned out to be backward.
Thundering Herd special teams performances have been completely up and down, shining in a few moments and proving costly in others.
Simply put, it has been the continuation of an up-and-down start to the 2012 season all around.
STRENGTHS: When preseason camp opened the punting battle simply became laughable at times.
True freshman Tyler Williams and redshirt freshman Austin Dumas took turns the first week shanking punt after punt into the stands. It was a big cause for concern at the time.
During the second week of camp, Williams started working more with snapper Matt Cincotta -- another true freshman -- and the result was much more consistency in the punting game.
Williams continued to grow as a punter and easily won the starting job prior to the season opener at West Virginia.
In his first game, he averaged 51.2 yards on four punts against the Mountaineers with five punts going for more than 50 yards while also getting enough hang time to limit Tavon Austin, West Virginia's speedy return threat, to just 19 yards on three returns.
Williams used that momentum to catapult his first six games as an NCAA Division I athlete. Currently, Williams is seventh in the NCAA in punting, averaging 46.3 yards per punt.
Williams has a long punt of 66, which came at a critical time for the Herd in the fourth quarter of the win over Rice. Nine of his 19 punts have landed inside the 20-yard line while seven of his punts have gone for 50 yards or more. He only has one touchback on the year.
"I think the actual punt (game) has been good," Marshall head coach Doc Holliday said.
In addition to the strength of the punt game, the Herd also has two punt blocks to its credit -- one by Jermain Kelson that led to Derek Mitchell's 35-yard touchdown return and the other by C.J. Crawford against West Virginia.
Field goal kicker Justin Haig has been 5-for 7 on the year, but has a long of just 37 yards.
WEAKNESSES: Marshall's return games have been average, at best.
Senior Andre Snipes-Booker is the punt returner and kick returner, and there hasn't been much to talk about in the return game.
It is somewhat expected in the punt game, given that Holliday likes to go after punts and when he does it is almost an automatic fair catch call for the return man.
However, the kick return game has been disappointing.
Yes, there are new rules in place and those do make it more difficult for the return man to get big yardage, but every team is facing it and not every team is averaging just more than 20 yards a return (20.07 to be exact).
Snipes-Booker's longest return was 30 yards, which is scary given that he's had 24 opportunities through six games.
"Our kickoff return has been disappointing," Holliday said. "We haven't gotten the returns I felt we got a year ago."
Holliday said he was happy with kickoff coverage until Saturday against Tulsa when the Herd gave up a crucial kickoff return for a touchdown literally seconds after seizing the momentum back following a touchdown.
Also, while Haig has been 5-for-7 on field goal attempts, his long has only been 37 yards and he had a 37-yarder blocked at Purdue.
Trajectory has been an issue for Haig, and it is something that needs continued work.
KEY PLAYER GOING FORWARD: Andre Snipes-Booker
Snipes-Booker has shown the ability to make plays in the return game before, but it appears he is having trouble gauging the gaps in the return lanes this year with kickoff coverage teams being moved up five yards because of rules changes by the NCAA.
While Marshall's offense has done a solid job of moving the ball and sustaining long drives, it would be made much easier if the team wasn't starting from its 20-25-yard line consistently following each kickoff.
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Sanders warns about 'chained' Consumer Price IndexJanuary 31,2013By EDWARD DONGA
WASHINGTON — Sen. Bernard Sanders on Thursday spoke out against a plan aimed at reducing the federal deficit by changing the manner in which Social Security benefits are calculated.
Sanders, an independent and founder of the Senate's Defend Social Security Caucus, was joined at a Capitol Hill news conference by Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., and Jeff Merkley, D-Ore., as well as AFL-CIO President
Richard Trumka and representatives of advocacy groups for senior citizens, women, veterans and those with disabilities..
The news conference targeted a proposal to alter how the federal Consumer Price Index is calculated. The CPI is a measurement of the average change in cost of household items, and it is used to help create cost-of-living estimates that govern benefit increases for programs such as Social Security.
But Sanders noted that some members of Congress, in an effort to reduce the federal deficit, want to adopt what has become known as a chained CPI. According to published reports, this plan was pushed, but ultimately dropped, by some Republicans during discussions last month on ways to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff.
Declared Sanders, "My Republican colleagues in Congress and some Democrats are attempting to use the deficit crisis as an excuse to cut Social Security benefits. That is wrong."
He added: "Deficit reduction is important, but it must be done in a way that is fair. We must not balance the budget on the backs of the elderly, on the backs of veterans."
Rather than simply adjusting the cost of living based on changes in the price of basic goods, as is done currently, a chained CPI would factor in the assumption that, as the price of one good increases, consumers will purchase a similar, less expensive commodity instead.
For instance, when the price of apples goes up, the current CPI accounts for the change only in the price of apples; a chained CPI would factor in an assumption that many consumers would buy oranges instead of apples if the former were less expensive.
But Sanders warned that if the government begins basing its calculations on a chained CPI, senior citizens would see a significant cut in their Social Security benefits. Veterans with disability benefits would face the same problem, said Sanders, who is chairman of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee.
"The chained CPI for seniors who are 65 today, by the time they are 75 years of age they would lose $650 a year (in benefits)," Sander said, noting that Thursday marked the 73rd anniversary of Ida May Fuller, of Ludlow, receiving the first Social Security check ever issued.
Nancy LeaMond, executive vice president of AARP, echoed Sanders' statement.
"It has been put forward as a relatively easy, relatively harmless solution to reduce the deficit," LeaMond said of the chained CPI proposal. "However, this policy would have very negative effects on millions of seniors, retirees, working families, women, veterans and the seniors."
Sanders said 3.2 million disabled veterans in the United States would also see their benefits affected, contending that veterans who started collecting disability benefits at age 30 would see a $1,400 decrease in those benefits by age 45.
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A Texoma man has died of West Nile Virus, bringing the death toll in Oklahoma to four for 2012.
WNV was claimed the life of Bill Brady, a 77 year old man from Healdton, OK., who was undergoing care at Mercy Hospital in OKC.
Family members say Brady learned he had the virus just a few weeks before his death. His
family members say dealing with the West Nile Virus firsthand has been life changing, and asks everyone to protect themselves and wear bug spray with DEET.
Oklahoma isn't the only state to deal with WNV, North Texas has reported another death this year, bringing the death toll in the Dallas-Fort Work area to at least 19. For the state of Texas, this brings the death toll to at least 29 this year.
The Dallas area has been the focus of this year's U.S. outbreak. Almost 290 human cases have been confirmed in Dallas County alone, which has begun aerial spraying for mosquitoes.
Mosquitoes spread the virus from birds to people. One in 150 infected people develop severe symptoms including neck stiffness, disorientation, coma and paralysis.
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OKLAHOMA CITY---A four-goal third period by the Oklahoma City Barons helped sink the Chicago Wolves 5-2 on Sunday at Cox Convention Center.
Forwards Brett Sterling and Andrew Gordon staked Chicago (35-26-5-4) to a 2-0 advantage by scoring 66 seconds apart in the second period but Oklahoma City (35-24-2-8) rattled off five consecutive markers to earn the victory in a contest that had major ramifications on the Western Conference playoff race.
The Wolves loss dropped them out of the top eight seeds in the Western Conference standings with seven games remaining in the regular season.
After a scoreless opening 20 minutes, Sterling broke the stalemate for Chicago by rifling a power-play score top shelf on Barons goalie Yann Danis at 3:16 of the second period.
Gordon would bag the Wolves second tally of the night when he settled down a bouncing puck in the slot and fired it back through Danis' legs at 4:22.
The Barons got on the scoreboard when left wing Teemu Hartikainen beat Wolves netminder Matt Climie at 9:27 and make it 2-1 Chicago heading into the third period.
Climie (21-22-3) stopped 42 of 46 shots, while Danis (22-14-5) posted 26 saves.
The Barons found the equalizer 9:26 into the final frame, when a giveaway by the Wolves at center ice set up center Ryan Martindale to beat Climie to knot the game at two.
In rapid succession, forward Toni Rajala beat Climie short side to give Oklahoma City their first lead of the game at 10:19.
Trailing 3-2, the Wolves faced a Barons power play and saw them capitalize in the extra man quickly with another strike from Rajala finding mesh at the 14:50 mark.
Facing a two-goal deficit, Chicago pulled Climie with less than a minute to play in the game, allowing Philippe Cornet to pocket the empty net score at 19:37 to seal the victory for the Barons.
Chicago continues its road trip back in the Midwest with a tilt against the Grand Rapids Griffins at 6 p.m. on Wednesday, April 10 at Van Andel Arena.
Chicago 0 2 0 -- 2
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First Period---None. Penalties---Fedun, Oklahoma City (holding), 3:15; Sauve, Chicago (boarding), 7:45; Groulx, Chicago (holding), 10:27; Tyrvainen, Oklahoma City (roughing), 10:27; Kattelus, Chicago (hooking), 12:53; Martindale, Oklahoma City (goaltender interference), 18:00.
Second Period---1, Chicago, Sterling 22 (Groulx, Schroeder), 3:16 pp; 2, Chicago, Gordon 18 (Sterling, Haydar), 4:22; 3, Oklahoma City, Hartikainen 14 (Arcobello, Fedun), 9:27. Penalties---Desbiens, Chicago (fighting), 1:32; Plante, Oklahoma City (fighting), 1:32; Rajala, Oklahoma City (tripping), 3:06; Bench, Chicago (too many men), 14:16.
Third Period---4, Oklahoma City, Martindale 6 (Pitllick, Hotham), 9:26; 5, Oklahoma City, Rajala 12 (Hartikainen, Stafford), 10:19; 6, Oklahoma City, Rajala 13 (Arcobello, Hartikainen), 14:50 pp; 7, Oklahoma City, Cornet (Arcobello, Cheechoo), 19:37 en. Penalties---Sauve, Chicago (cross-checking), 14:30.
Shots on goal---Chicago: 9-10-9--28; Oklahoma City: 14-15-18--47. Power plays---Chicago 1-3; Oklahoma City 1-4. Goalies—Chicago, Climie (42-46), Oklahoma City, Danis (26-28). A---. Referee---Jean Hebert. Linesmen---Jon Grandt and Pat Turcotte.


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Today's Fabulous Friday is a day early because I know all you love birds out there are NOT going to be reading a blog. :)
Nicole's recap gave me goosebumps! As a newlywed, I concur! Make it your own. Make it yours. Make it unique.
Couple: Nicole and Austin
Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan
Date: July 26, 2013
Theme: Bright Vintage with a heavy music/record influence
What she wore: Sweetheart Manhattan with Catalina polka dot overlay and a raspberry chiffon petticoat
Favorite moment from the wedding: "I feel like it went by in a blur, and I had so many amazing moments. One that really stands out for me was our first look. I had been super anxious the whole time we were getting ready and I couldn't sit still. By the time I got to the top of the stairs to walk down to Austin, and I could see everyone in the bridal party watching me, I was shaking like a leaf. It felt like it took me forever to walk down the stairs (Austin said it sounded like I ran!) and then I just burst into tears and he just held me, and all my nerves went away. I wasn't nervous at all, it was complete anticipation about the fact that I was finally getting to marry my love! (We were together for 8 and a half years before tying the knot!)"
What made you choose Dolly Couture? "I had originally went shopping at traditional boutiques and picked a dress and wasn't too sure about it. Then I found Dolly online and found out you could customize your dress and I just knew I had to have one. Being able to make my dress EXACTLY what I wanted, and not having to compromise on anything was perfect for me, and I am so happy with my decision. I've always loved pin-up and love that I got to incorporate it into my wedding."
Any advice for future Dolly Couture brides? "DO WHAT YOU WANT! I know so many people who did something at their wedding because someone else wanted them to do it. Why? It is you and your partner's day, and you should make it a reflection of yourselves and your relationship. Every last detail of our wedding was hand-made by us, or was placed there for a specific reason. We used records as place settings. We didn't have alcohol. We didn't have religion. We played punk/metal music. We served fajitas and bottled soda. If someone didn't like it, that was their problem. My husband and I woke up the next morning and looked at each other and agreed; our wedding was perfect. Every couple should have that same feeling!"


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Perhaps motivated by the path-breaking investigative research featured on this blog*, the New York Times today has a story about Mitt Romney's aggressive, strange, and incoherent views on Russia. People, even the Very Serious People who are the NYT's target demographic, are starting to notice that the Republican presidential nominee has views on Russia that, even in the context of an increasingly angry and aggressive GOP, are really quite odd.
I encourage everyone to read the article in full, it's not particularly long and it covers the relevant issues quite well, but I did want to highlight a few paragraphs because they say quite a lot about the 2012 presidential election and the vanishingly small foreign policy differences between Obama and Romney:
The Romney campaign has been critical of Mr. Obama's record and positions on a variety of national security issues, including containing Iran's nuclear ambitions and confronting China's rise. But many of the positions taken by Mr. Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, have either been vague or not fundamentally different from those of the administration.
Russia, however, is an exception, one where Mr. Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, has carved out a clear contrast to Mr. Obama, who came to office promising to "reset" relations with Moscow, only to find that Russia can be a difficult partner…
Some advisers close to Mr. Romney, who declined to be quoted or identified by name, say Russia is a good illustration of his belief that national security threats are closely tied to economic power — in this case stemming from Russia's oil and gas reserves, which it has used to muscle European countries dependent on energy imports.
They also cite his tendency to view foreign policy conflicts as zero-sum negotiations. Mr. Romney, an accomplished deal-maker at Bain Capital, views his negotiating skills as an advantage he holds over Mr. Obama…
Mr. Romney also criticized a White House decision scrapping a proposed antiballistic missile shield in Eastern Europe and building in its place a reconfigured system to shoot down short- and medium-range Iranian missiles. Mr. Romney argued that Mr. Obama had caved to Russian pressure, trading away a crucial program with little in return. Administration officials say their reconfigured system offers better protection for American allies.
I wanted to start off by noting that I am genuinely confused as to why this article was released today. Using arcane and obscure tactics such as "going to Mitt Romney's website and reading his Russia platform" and "Google searching his statements on the START treaty," I was able to produce a broadly similar analysis back in January. I'm not complaining that the story was written, as should be clear from the paragraphs I pasted above it's an extremely valuable, I am just honestly curious as to why it was written in mid-May instead of mid-April, mid-March, or mid-February. As near as I can tell Romney has been incredibly consistent in his statements on Russia, so it's not as if there's some sudden change in policy that needs to be analyzed.
Moving right along, the idea that Romney's dealings in the business world will in any way prepare him to deal with the Russians is an extremely strange one** (I could use other adjectives to describe it, but I'm trying to stay polite). Vladimir Putin isn't some chubby, balding corporate executive from flyover country, the sorts of people over whom Mitt Romney is used to running roughshod in his business dealings, he's someone who's been at the highest levels of state power for more than a decade, someone who knows how the game is played.
Putin is not going to be won over with PowerPoint presentations about "synergy," he won't be impressed to hear someone use the word "leverage" in every sentence, and he can't simply be "bought out" as would often happen in Bain-style hostile takeovers. If your plan to extract concessions from Vladimir Putin is "aggressively bluster in the hope that he caves" you're going to be extremely disappointed. Moreover the entire Russian diplomatic corps is basically opposed to zero-sum deals as a matter of principle. The Russians, and this is not a personal characteristic of Vladimir Putin but something that characterized Russian/Soviet diplomacy for decades, never give up something for nothing. If Romney views the United States-Russia relationship as something he can "win," then he is guaranteed to fail.
The article also briefly outlines Romney's very strange belief that Russia is somehow on pace to become an economic hegemon. Indeed the extent to which Romney's beliefs differ from those of Leon Aron, his Chief Russia adviser, is scarcely believable and, frankly, more than a little bit alarming. I don't think a political campaign needs to have everyone in ideological lockstep, but Aron and Romney aren't even marching in the same direction. Aron thinks that the far more serious danger facing the US is of a weakened and disintegrating Russia, while Romney thinks they are a "rising power" whose military and economic power pose a direct threat to American national security. Romney and Aron are not simply "not on the same page," they're not reading from the same book. Hell, they're not even reading books in the same language.
But apart from Romney's unique foibles concerning Russia, which I've covered before and will cover again, I wanted to focus on the last paragraph I cited above because it is as handy a summation of the corrupted state of American foreign policy as you're likely to see. To avoid turning into a partyarchy , a stale and perverted form of democracy in which elections are held and parties alternate in power but there is never a meaningful change in policy, a country should have at least two parties that have essentially dissimilar views: a party in favor of greater economic liberalization, and a party that is in favor of greater state intervention, a party in favor of an aggressive military posture, and a party that strongly favors diplomacy and so on and so on.
But as that paragraph makes clear, there is no such distinction in America right now. The "dovish" president doesn't argue against the idea of ABM, a position which until recently was held purely by conservative Republicans, indeed he is fully and aggressively in favor of it and has been willing to sacrifice the effectiveness of "the reset" at its altar. The only differences between Barack Obama's view of missile defense and Mitt Romney's view of missile defense are tactical in nature. They both agree that America needs ABM to defend itself from non-existent Iranian missiles carrying non-existent Iranian nuclear warheads, they just have some quibbles about where exactly to put the interceptors and how much the Russians should be antagonized in the process of doing so. To put it succinctly: when Barack Obama's position on missile defense, which in the 1980′s would have put him in Reagan's camp, is the farthest "left" that a mainstream politician is allowed to go, something is very badly amiss.
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|Duchamp, as captured by Man Ray
It's there that I look, to the past for heroes, because I take it and have always taken it as self-evident that I have and will find no community. I have plenty of friends, but politically, I am an orphan.
I can't imagine what it would be like to not feel that everything is wrong. I can't imagine what it would be like to not feel alienated from the great mass of the human race. I can't imagine what it would be like to spend a day reading online and to not feel, again and again, that nearly everyone is mistaken about nearly everything. I'm not looking for sympathy, at all. I'm just saying that this is my condition, and it's a condition necessarily shared not by a large percentage of all people but still by a lot of people.
This is a world that is not of my making and one which reminds me, every day, of this fact. Of the innumerable myths that the Internet tells about itself, perhaps the biggest is that the Internet brings people together and in so doing cures loneliness. The Internet is a profoundly lonely place. Human beings cure loneliness; their ideas cause it. I find something almost tragic about how we interact online. I have met and connected with so many great people. Occasionally those connections deepen. Often they don't, but are perfect as they are. I have also often run aground on the inability of electronic media to convey the emotional reality that is necessary to understand others and to be understood. There doesn't appear to be much rhyme or reason to when you get one or the other. I often long for the corporeal reality of person to person conversation when I'm arguing online. I don't think that we'll agree to everything, if we meet in real life, but I sometimes think "if I could only speak to this person, at least we could understand each other." There is such potential in physicality and presence. Physical interaction is not necessary in human contact, often not even desirable, but the opportunity for it-- for sex, for a fistfight, for casually laying your hand on a shoulder as you pass by on the way to the bar-- the opportunity is everything. Perhaps you see what I mean.
Paradoxically, what I find more and more is that the Internet is a place for people to affirm and support each other. It's as if the understanding of the fundamental weakness of these electronic proxies to represent human connection causes people to push for it more and more. And this could be beautiful. But it can also be dangerous. Because of the depth of the loneliness, I blame no one for how they interact and connect with others online. I just worry. I worry about the urge towards conformity. I worry about Twitter. I worry that all of those retweets and all of those "right on"s contribute to a kind of coarse postmodernism, where what the truth becomes what is most agreed on. I worry that dissent is confused with a lack of etiquette. And I particularly worry about the echo chamber effect, and the way that small groups of people who are just like each other can come to think of themselves as representing the opinions of everyone. On the Internet, we all make the world in our own image.
Duchamp, of course, had genius. I have only Duchamp, and Dorothy Day, and Eugene Debs, and Rainer Maria Rilke, and Simone de Beauvoir, and D. Boon.
Pushing people away should never be an end, but sometimes it is a necessary means to the end of being independent. Friendship is great, and I would never argue against it. I'm not saying be alone to be alone. I'm saying be prepared to stand alone, and to recognize that standing against everyone can be a position of righteousness. Make friends whenever you can, but when you need to, stand alone. Friends will understand. They'll probably dig it. And even being wrong isn't the worst thing in the world.
You can't be scared of being alone; you've got to view consensus as the possibility of corruption and ridicule as evidence that you're on to something. You've got to match the weight of the agreement of affinity groups with the power of your belief in yourself. You must respond to the bullying of crowds with the studied rejection of needing a crowd. You've got to be singular, you've got to be irresolute, and when necessary, you've got to be defiant.
The pressure, online, will always be to tack towards the crowd, and people will look endlessly towards their peers-- not intending to undermine the individual voice, but getting there, often, anyway. Don't get judgmental about it, but keep saying your piece. In the tenor of the single voice, you can find strength, and if you keep saying what you think is true, in spite of it all, you will find what is incorruptible in yourself.


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This question was in regard more towards he future. I start working after high school i over. Also, ido unerstand the point of simply moving out of the house, but it is my decision to stay here. It is much cheeper to simply pay my parents a little rent and go to a local college. That way i have some spending money and i can start saving.
My parents have no problem if I bought a gun. In fact i might even be able to tempt them to let my have it in the house unloaded if i pay enough rent.
I'm also not purchasing a gun to look cool. It's just a hobby really. Regardless I take all your responses to heart. It may just be a better idea to rent from a range.
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I'm going to rub in your face, just a few facts from my life:
I get paid to shoot m2 .50 cal machine guns, mk-19 40mm automatic grenade launchers, m240B machine guns, m203 grenade launchers and my m4.
My dad is a bigger gun nut then most of the people in this sub-forum, and anything I could ever want to shoot, he already has.
He has no problem with me buying a gun, while i'm living with him.
However, lets examine some key points,
One, I'm cooler then you.
Two, My situation allows me to be loose with the gun money (though I'm not. Daddy has a car payment/is working on moving back out of his parent's house after he gets things squared away)
Lets examine your situation:
You suck.
Your parents are prude liberal girls,
You live at home.
YOu shouldn't be worrying about guns and rifles, hell, ranges rent that **** for like...10 bucks.
Also, as everyone said above, Join the freakin' military. It rocks. Seriously.
Just don't join the air force.
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Games seem to fall into three basic camps now on this issue.
In one you look however the gear you use makes you look. E.g., EQ 1 (though they later introduced dyes and such).
In another you get to design your look, and gear does not really influence it. E.g., City of Heroes (at least when I played it).
In a third gear influences your look, but you can wear "appearance armor" that let's you look cool, even if your stat gear is not so cool. E.g., EQ II.
Personally I have come to enjoy designing how my character looks, or at least being able to choose from some decent looking appearance armor (if my regular armor is ugly or silly looking).
What do you think? Is appearance important to you? Do you want a say in how you look?
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Joined: 10/24/10
Tough choice...I want freedom in making my character but then too much control over it will probably make the game lose immersion. Imagine SWTOR. Now look back at me! Now see a young Jedi female with a lightsaber! BUT WAIT! LOOK AGAIN!! Shes wearing a bikini and fighting sith!! No go somewehre else! You see World of Wa...Oh nvm that game has modded appearance things anyways that only you can see...
I think the best way to go is to have your armor set the general look of your char but then allows you to alter it as much as you want but limit it so that it doesnt make the plate armor-wearing, 2 handed mace smashing, big voice yelling, always charging tank look like hes wearing THIS!!!
So yah! Controlling how your character appears while relying on gear to set the general look of the stuff.
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Joined: 11/07/06
The first choice would be the one I would prefer. I'm not really the type of player that focuses on how I look, I wear whatever is best. As long if it can help me on my daily grind I can care less about how I look. I dont play a game to have brag rights or to make people jealous of what I have.
Although for PvP purposes in many MMOs, changing the appearance of your armor can play a major role in winning or losing. For example in Aion, people usually target players that are weak and poorly geared. But I had a level 30 templar running around in Eltnen wearing what should be level 10-15 gear. People that usually attack me gets surprised at how well I fight against them, and I'm sure its a surprise for them when they lose. So sometimes it can affect your gameplay in PvP situations.
Also, getting these so called armor / weapon appearance change items will make game companies rich. These are one of many items you can acquire through RMT purchases. I for one will never pay extra for any game other than the monthly payments. Whatever is offered through that payment is all the stuff I need.
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Joined: 6/11/08
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My first choice would be to be able to design the appearance of my character, with gear that influences stats, but not the appearance. Having appearance slots where the armor looks like what I want, but has stats for whatever I've collected would be acceptable as well.
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Depends on the game, I think in a sci-fi or super hero setting like Star Trek, CoH/V, where your character wears some sort of unique uniform, then full customization over that is a much better choice. I really liked STO's method, you customzie your look at creation, but can toggle whether kits and armor effect your appereance once you get them.
I'n fantasy settings I prefer seeing armor that i've equipped. I'm fairly neutral towards dyes and appearance sets, though I really can't stand silly stuff like Tuxedo's or Bikini's.
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Joined: 2/02/07
I think something like the approach Aion did would be good.
You only can put on what you already looted. Let's say you have a complete set of Dark Armor but the stats is not good. You save this armor and then use it on your current gear to make you current gear looks like the Dark Armor. The process costs money AND consumes the armor you had. Which means 1 Armor = 1 Use. The skin remains on the armor and not the character, meaning if you upgrade your armor then you don't keep the Dark Armor look.
"What do you think? Is appearance important to you? Do you want a say in how you look?"
I want it just like I had it back in Aion.
In my mind I deduct major points for any new MMO I pick up that doesn't give me more or less what Aion showed us is possible.
Heck, I'm not a PvPer and it's the only reason I enjoyed my time in Aion all through Korean retail, Chinese retail and then our Western version all the way from the very first beta to end of last year.
I'll definitely be back for 2.5.
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Joined: 3/05/10
I'll chime in and say that I liked Aion's system too. Previously, I had never cared about wearing a matching set of anything on my MMO characters and would walk around in whatever hodgepodge of mixed pieces. But in Aion I went through the cost and trouble of reskinning new equipment to keep the look of a set that I liked. It's a cool option.
I couldn't really complain about games failing to include this feature; I don't see it as a must-have and I don't miss it when it's not implemented. In fact, you might say that playing in Aion gave me an appreciation for carrying around a social set of equipment. The fun of walking around in something that looks cool would be diminished a bit if the system allowed you to do that all the time effortlessly. It's probably more fun to do in games where it's a tradeoff because you have to make the sacrifice of carrying around two sets of equipment—one for stats, one for looks.
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Joined: 4/21/11
I absolutely hate games that are gear dependant for good appearance when half of the people who are raiding and getting that gear won't even let you into their raids and such because they think they are all better than you. So due to this absolutely I want appearance tabs.
A game that is stat gear dependant for looks is shallow and unfriendly because as soon as someone gets the first piece of that gear they think they are better than everyone else in life and no matter how old they are they act like teenagers adn treat people like they are still in JR highschool.
A game that has an appearance tab has nice friendly players who help each other instead of trying to keep someone else from trying to get the piece of gear that they want off of a boss because they are going to look better than anyone else in the game. Also no gear greed as much. I really can not stand gear greed.
I started to have an issue with it on a game once and pretty soon everyone started telling me that I was acting like an elitest jerk. So I quit raiding all together for a while. I have since quit that game because that is almost all I see in it is gear greed. There are a few nice people but not enough to even be able to form a raid group of nice players who do not look downon one another and boot people out because they don't have just what the raid leader thinks they should have on.
I play a fun game where I can make some awesome looking gear without having to get gear greed and still look really cool and enjoy myself and not feel like everyone is telling me what to do and I get to play at my own pace and not feel like I am getting burnt out trying to make everyone else happy by helping them get gear. It's an awesome new concept I have found when I don't play games that only concentrate on end content and that is the only way you look good I actually enjoy the game I play and have fun.
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Joined: 12/17/06
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Ideally, I'd like to see a selection of appearances when crafting a single item be available. On top of that I'd like color customization on the operator's level to include patterned paints like various types of camouflage and solid colors.
I'd also like to see further customization through crafting system similar to how SWG's optional item components could change the visual appearance of a weapon (i.e. you take a base E-11 carbine that looks one way and then throw on a scope, special handle, extended barrel, butt stock, et cetera and they all uniquely alter the appearance of the item).
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Joined: 2/17/08
I like the Aion approach (I'm sure it's not the only example, but only this comes to mind right now.). You can put the skin of a gear you love, but is now obsolete, on a new gear, with better stats, but that doesn't look like it fits your style.
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Joined: 1/07/08
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I definitely want full control over my characters looks, and I want them to look extremely cool.
Apperance slots are a good solution for that.
Another would be to have full crafting in your game, i.e. everyone can craft certain things and to get into good gear, you cant help but to cooperate with other players to create and improve your future gear. Thus you can also gain control over how your gear will look like.
P.s.: That Aion solution doesnt sound so bad, either.
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Joined: 11/10/06
My char look should be determined by my gear aka your first example. EQ2 system is neat but it makes absolutely no sense.
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Joined: 8/24/10
I'm somewhat between first and third
I want like, two sets of equipment, when the first stat is the gear for stats, and the one with the numbers. Then one set that is the look of your armor, like fashion tab, this includes normal gears and fashion gears, with dyes and decorations to change my look even further.
But I do hope evenually gears will be only for stats, so I don't have to keep grinding for better gears, instead the stats is applied to my character, like tuning or whatever. (something like DCUO or CoH I guess)
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Joined: 3/18/07
the 'appearance armor' i think is a good idea, but only if armors look good in the game.
for example in asian mmos it wouldnt make any sense. i mean you got the 'almost naked' high stat armors already.
they are gonna make it in guildwars 2 which i think is a good idea since gw1 armors looked pretty good and realistic no matter the tier. ofcourse mages were half nude, but i guess it would make sense that they get their protection from enchantments rather than platings lul.
it also kinda made sense in global agenda.
i think designing armor is a good idea, since not everyone likes the armors they are getting or atleast they cant like every armor... maybe they liked the armor which had worse stats?
ofcourse armor is sort of a tool for bragging...
you know people get into town, bring out their epic looking armors, pets and mounts and like 'whoa look at us we grinded this game for months'. not that im envious, but the games are like that are they not?
adding design feature would remove people looking identical at particular tiers/levels and remove a little bit of bragging.
show your experience through your skill and play rather than items!
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Joined: 10/28/08
Depends on the setting.
Gear changes look for medieval setting.
You customize your look for sci fi and hero settings.
If I'm a superhero, I can have a laster pistol, lasers coming out of my eyes, or my hands, or a floating ball that shoots lasers...
The gear doesn't determine the power, it could just come from me.
IN medieval settings, I'm swinging a magic sword.
Yes, I get good at swinging it, but the magic comes from teh sword.
I"M not flaming, ti's a flaming sword.
So it makes sense that this is what you see, a flaming sword, not me on fire.
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Joined: 11/07/06
Originally posted by yewsef
You can still have your Dark Armor look. Just reskin your new armor again.
So for example, when you skin your good gear with the original dark armor, it replaces your good gear witht hat look permanently. So when you upgrade your good gear with better ones, the good gear you had on before retains the graphic still and just reskin your better gear with it, if you still wanna keep your Dark Armor set.
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Joined: 1/18/11
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I prefer to have my gear determine the way my character looks, as "appearance armor" is misleading and puts me in the mind of those fake coffee-can mufflers on unmodified cars. However, I also feel that in most games there is not enough variation in the appearance of similar gear. Not colors (which I like having the ability to customize), but models. For example, there might be only one style of armor for each defense level, so large swaths of the gaming population will appear identical. Greater variation would benefit everybody, except maybe the art team.
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Joined: 6/21/06
I'd rather control 100% of my appearance. What Blizzard is doing with WoW is wrong. They want everyone to look like clones.
I at least want a wider variety of equal power gear with different appearances so I can pick and choose. Dyes should be a no brainer these days. They were in UO, they should be in every game.
Players create a character, an identity, and that is one of the most important parts of an MMORPG. Forcing people to look a certain way just so you can glance at them in PvP and know how strong they are just just wrong. Any developer that doesn't offer more appearance options should be ashamed of themselves.
Apprentice Member
Joined: 5/04/11
I would like the choice of having a "stat" armor and an "appearance" armor. Well, it will make the equipment feature of the game more complex, but hey, different appearances boosts player interests and imaginations right?
I agree to the games that have suits which go with major holidays like holloween and christmas. It gives me the feel to stay playing even though holiday celebrations are ongoing. lol
What I'm thinking about these equipment looks is that developers must design a game that would enable the equipments to be edited before equipping or buying, or whatsoever. It can also be equipped with default appearance. The disadvantage is that it will be time comsuming for players.


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