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The price of concert tickets
That being said, I can not believe the cost of tickets these days! What the hell happened to the days of $25-$30 seats to a show? C'mon $100.00 and up to see a band play for an hour? What other item has increased so steeply as a concert ticket? If bread was used as a comparison, it would now cost about twelve dollars a loaf!
The price of a general admission ticket has increased worse than a past-due balance on a high interest credit card. Maybe we're not paying for the performance but the private planes and the fleet of tour buses that are "necessary"? I really have no idea.
Does anybody here have an inside working knowledge of the concert/touring world to educate me please?
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I'm afraid that I don't have any inside knowledge to speak of but I do have a theory. Now that artists are no longer making money on record sales, they have to get all of their earnings from touring. Also, stage lighting and backgrounds have gotten quite a bit more elaborate. Gas prices may also be a factor. I'm really just poking around in the dark here. All I know is an Aerosmith/Black Crows ticket only cost me $16 in 1990. I recall in the 80's when the Jacksons got together for their Victory tour, people thought they were out of their minds for charging $35. I just don't know what happened.
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There are many different motivations for it, but the bottom line is, "What will the market bear?" If enough folks are willing to pay the price, then plenty of other folks will be happy to charge it.
If you think concerts are bad, look at the price of some other tickets:
The best seats for some Broadway shows now are about $200
The best seats at Yankee Stadium now are $1600. Yes, you read that correctly. $1600, for one seat for one game. They also have tickets priced at $1325, $1075, $975, $875, etc. Of course, they do have nosebleed, and way-the-hell-out-in-the-outfield bleacher seats, and so on for $14, $20 etc. too.
A few bands have figured out that they can charge those $1000 or so prices too--they usually do it with "meet 'n greet" packages.
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my guess is that since there isn't a lot
of money made in Album Sales (due to donwloading)...
concert tickets & T-shirts are $$$$$$
p.s.s. ~ I have seen AC/DC for $4.75 in Morristown, NJ.
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I'm not sure what bands play for only an hour and charge $100, but I agree that's excessive for anybody I'd want to see. As for ticket prices, they will vary for a few reasons: venue size, and the band's draw & demographic. A band playing theaters (1-3000 seats) who asks $75 for tickets, may ask only $50 if they're playing a 7500 seat shed, because they.might not be able to fill that venue at $75 (that is, it's better to have 100% capacity at $50, than 50% capacity at $75.) And an up & coming band whose audience is younger usually can't charge as much as an established band whose audience is older and more likely to afford the higher ticket.
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I am going to see The Dukes of September tomorrow for 20 bucks. I have seen six concerts this summer for 10 bucks due to Live Nation promotions. Then they sell you an upgrade for 10 bucks. I saw Foreinger with Styx and Kansas, The Doobie Brothers with Chicago, Yes with Peter Frampton, CSN, Asia and now Dukes of September. My total expense was about 80 bucks. There were other shows that they had for 10 bucks that I would have gone had I gotten the tix. Truthfully, I am not going to pay the high price to see a show, and these were a fun night out with friends seeing some bands from way back in the day. If musicians can get 200-300 hundred bucks a ticket, I would rather see the promoters get the profit than the scalpers or agents who would get that price any way. And if there were someone I really wanted to see, laying down 500 bucks for a 8th row ticket at the Garden where I am sitting next to Bob Dylan, Gwenyth Paltrow or Bono is not a bad thing.
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The other aspect is insurance for a tour has gone up astronomically over the years.
And higher gas prices do factor in, especially on a big tour that might have 10-20 trucks, and 5 to 10 buses.
It is sick. In 1986, I paid $16 to see Rush, and this last tour was $170 + surcharges for good seats.
Even with all the higher costs associated with touring, it's hard to believe tickets have gone up by such a large margin.
The wife and I were looking at going to see Fleetwood Mac a year or two ago, and face value of a ticket was $250 each. We stayed home. I've not gone to many shows I would have liked to have because the ticket prices were just to high.
When the Police came to Los Angeles for their reunion tour, tickets started at $200. Why??
In two weeks I'm going to see Katatonia. They are coming all the way from Sweeden. Tickets are $15. Much better value.
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Aside from ticket prices, I've often chosen to stay at home instead because so many older bands have been just doing what I consider "nostalgia tours". As I've stated here a number of times, I'm not fond of bands doing songs "just like the record", and with what I consider nostalgia tours, they're doing greatest hits setlists only, just like the records, for the umpteenth time. I have very little interest in that, but obviously it's working for many artists.
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So...from what I gather from the responses is either it's market demand (charge high and see if they'll buy) or it's fuel, insurances and the cost of doing business.
I've always wondered who sets the prices, the promoter or the band. I imagined the band charging a flat rate fee for a show and the promoter adjusts ticket prices to cover all expenses. Or does the bands' share of earnings fluctuate from venue to venue?
Major rock bands specifically.
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The things you mention are not unrelated. There are minimum prices you'd need to set to cover your costs, OR if the market wouldn't support those prices, figure out how to cut your costs (and/or increase your revenue sources--so for example, the amount of swag you have available and how much you're charging for it). Once you get past the stage of at least covering your expenses, you can see what the market will bear in terms of profits.
For huge rock bands, the band's business hierarchy (which isn't always structured the same) is ultimately deciding the ticket prices. Bands definitely do not make the same amount at every venue, even adjusted to a per capita profit. There are many different factors that make the difference, including different fees for renting the venue versus what they can feasibly charge in that market, different union fees and rules in an area (you have many different local unions you have to deal with in each market), the different travel and housing costs (if applicable) for that area, etc.--it would be laborious to make a complete list of that stuff for any possible scenario. Of course, most of the people involved are salaried, even including some band members in some situations (for example, the guys in Kiss who aren't Gene and Paul have been salaried for a long time, including Ace and Peter when they came back), but the folks on the high end of the totem pole ((other) band members, management, etc.) will see the difference.
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I stopped going to see Ozzy, because I realized no matter how many albums he comes out with, he plays pretty much the same set list ever time. He focuses most of his show on "Blizzard" with the same three Sabbath songs, a rendition of "Mama, I'm coming Home", maybe he'll play "Bark at the Moon" and the only variation is he'll insert two songs from his most current album.
There are a few other bands I've seen once, had fun, but I noticed from their live DVDs and online set lists, they don't change much from one year to the next, and it does drain any motivation I have to bother to see them another time.
Queensryche for a while were different themed tours, where they would announce up front "this tour focuses on this era of material, this is general hits tour, this tour will only be these albums" which was cool, because it was a different show every tour. But then they ran out of albums to tour behind, and it became "eh..."
What I love about Rush is no matter how many tours I've seen them on, they always manage to play at least one song I've never heard them do before, and then tends to be a lot of variety from one tour to the next, with only a few songs guaranteed to be done every time. They really don't much care if a song was a "hit" or lesser known tune. Although they almost never change songs from one night to the next.
Dream Theater takes to an extreme, and they mixed up their sets every night. You never have any idea what they'll play from one night to the next. So if you see them twice in a row, you might only see a handful of songs repeated.
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But other times, the promoter will offer a big name band a guarantee of $Xmillion for a tour, and then after that, it's up to the promoter to make back that money, plus. I've also seen it at the club level, where a booking agent will offer a fixed rate for a night, and it's up to the agent to make back that money off the ticket price, although that's on a one night basis, not a whole tour.
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I was looking at an old NY Times and concert tickets were $8.50 for a concert in 1978. If you look at those old Filmore posters, the tickets are about $3.50. If you saw Rush in 1986 for $16, it would seem that ticket prices double every ten years. An average cost today is about $65.00.
About ten or so years ago I stopped going to a lot of high-end concerts because of the ticketmaster fees. When they got to be 30%, I stopped buying. On your $65.00 ticket, that's $20 -25 in fees.
Entertainment is not cheap, and living in NY it can be very costly. You might spend $170 for Fleetwood Mac; but if you go to see a well-known artist at the Blue Note its $50 a set plus minimum. If you stay for both sets, like I do since I am traveling 2 hours, you're going to spend the same $170. Ironically, CSN charged $300 a few years back when they were at the Garden. I saw them for $10. Everyone's got their price. :D
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In October I will be going to see Styx in a small venue and my seat 9 rows back is 79.00. That same price to see Ringo in July was at the back of the same theater. I can't afford to see many for sure.
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Kidding myself, I looked into Roger Waters tickets... cheapest I could find was $116 for nose bleeds. Was the same scenario when I looked into Fleetwood Mac tix. I have to side with the notion that possible attendee's of these shows are middle aged folks who have the cash to throw down on this type of event - promoters and organizers know this and take full advantage.
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What happens when prices are high and expectations aren't met:
Guns N' Roses began their set almost an hour late ... "The sound of booing echoed through the arena," recalled a fan, "but it was suddenly drowned out as the lights went down." Yet many of the band's critics were persistent. "We want Slash!" they yelled, referring to the band's former guitarist. The boos went on. And plastic bottles were thrown at the stage.Full article in today's The Guardian.
I don't go to big gigs any more. I hate crowds and I find it's more of an experience to be close up when seeing local bands. I want to be close enough to see the sweat forming on the drummer.
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AND can you imagine paying $100 a pop to go see any of the "pop", "HipHop" or even Stone Temple Pilots where they are lip synching...why? If an artist can't perform live then please don't...STOP supporting the phonies!
I would much rather hear a band make an occasional stumble in the music and know that it is really their playing I am hearing for my hard earned money than just another air band show. I can go to any karaoke bar for that...
That being said, concerts are $100, ball games are $50 and up (for the ability to see anything), movies are $15 to $20 a ticket...as long as people keep paying the prices there will be no stopping the increases.
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GnR got bad revues here to, as also is the Dukes of September, which I am going to see tonight. It's outdoors and we're expecting a hurricane. The concert is rain or shine, so it looks like I'll be losing some money.
The bands that I have seen this summer were actually all quite good. The Doobie Brothers and Asia each played about five new tunes off their latest album. CSN did a bunch of covers for their next album, which is going to be a bunch of classic rock covers. Foreigner is really a kick ass band and although probably the band I would least want to see, they were the best band I've heard in a while.
When I was a kid, I would get my allowance of 50 cents on Sunday. All the kids would go down to the candy store where you would get 5 boxes of candy for 25 cents. Today, in some of the quickie marts you can spend 1.29 for a candy bar and $2.00 for a bottle of soda. Inflation is a crazy game.
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I used to be able to buy a buttered roll for 6c - unbuttered for 5c. A maggot bag (pie) was 11c. Mum would buy a pack of cigs for 33c - same pack is now $12. At least we're not like Zimbabwe where an egg costs Z$50 billion. No joke ...
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There is such incredible music being made in every little corner, all over the world. Its almost free. You just have to find it in your town.
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I went on a 3 week tour all around the north and south side of the east coast. There were only 3-4 shows that had a decent crowd.
Every day we would get there early, promote the heck out of the show by making friends and going places to meet new people.
This is how bands used to get people to come to shows. Nowadays, people just want to stay at home.
Money is tight I understand, I lost tons of money on tour. But there were many times where the gig was free to get into. And people wouldn't even buy a t-shirt after they told us how much they enjoyed it and can't wait until we come back.
Which brings me back. Support local or out of town bands that are coming through. If we don't do this, the only kind of "music" we are going to hear is Lady Gaga or whoever else the higher ups think they can make a buck off of.
I apologize for the extremely long post.
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The good thing is that supporting local talent has a major advantage - you're close enough to the music to actually experience it rather than be separated by a huge space, thousands of people and a monster PA.
A much more organic (ie. less plastic) experience. And you save a heap of $$, less parking hassles, no vast jostling crowds, security nazis, and you can relax with a drink.
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Well so-much for taking my son to his first rock concert at 16 years old.
I just looked at Ticketmaster for the price of a ticket to see Rush in June. Starting at $80.00 a seat and up to $145.00 a seat (no special package deal, just the seat).
Too bad the cost of seeing them is prohibitive. I remember seeing them in 1982 at a cost of $9.00 at an arena.
Sorry, but two to three hundred dollars for two people to listen to music that's thirty years old is more than I can take...
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My local venue, Ruth Eckerd Hall upcoming shows.
Willie Nelson....88.00
Earth Wind And Fire....100.
Won't be there....just too much for 2 Old bands and an Old man
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You used to say you sold your soul for rock and roll.
These days you have to sell your kidneys for rock and roll.
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A funny thing that has spawned because of ticket prices is the concept of the tribute band. At Disney I've done sound for Hotel California, which is, you guessed, an Eagles tribute band. Another one called "Diamond" does a Neil Diamond show. There's a group called the "80s All-Stars" that do all the embarrassingly cool stuff from the 80s - and what's funnier about them is that each guy is a character - the bass player is called Devo, and he wears the flower pot hat, sometimes they have a guitarist called Motley (guess who he looks like), the drummer wears a Karate outfit and the singer has the neon hair wig.
And these bands are in addition to the plethora of Beatles and Elvis bands already out there. And as always, competition is fierce among these groups, so they're always out-doing one another in customer service and how good the music can be played. It's amazing - I could close my eyes and almost see Don Henley singing!
It's a shame the price has skyrocketed on name talent doing big venues, but the economy is just this way right now. When I look at the amount of labor we need at Disney to put on a rock concert, that's expensive and the talent is coming to us! I can imagine loading all that stuff onto trucks and taking it around the world. I just got done reading Stewart Copeland's book about his life (which covered the Police reunion) and watched their "Certifiable" DVD and it's amazing what it takes to get those guys around the world. It didn't surprise me. I paid $100 a ticket for nose bleed seats at Dodger Stadium when they came to town, and being a fan, I thought it was worth it.
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I've seen Hotel California Live. They are awesome. I once read somewhere that it cost 300,000 to put on a kiss show. That's absolutely crazy.
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And I got some Rush tickets for just $20. They were lawn seats, but I brought some binoculars and suddenly I was on the stage.
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I can shed a little light on the orginal question, having worked in the entertainment industry briefly.
You are paying for eveything it costs relating to a production: advertising (radio,TV, internet, billboard), promoting (comp tickets to businesses, radio stations, charities) , employment (stage hands, sound, setup, much more), legal services, travel, venue services (singly the largest set of fees), products (T-shirts, CDs, DVDs, programs, all the trinkets they sell at a concerts) and oh yeah, profit.
I was rather appalled at the number of venue fees that are tacked on the price of a ticet, especially since at the time I had recently purchased tickets to the tune of about $90.
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The "price" of a $50 ticket is closer to $75 by the time you tack on all the fees, and most of the time you can't get around it. I don't go to many concerts or ball games these days because the overall price of the event, food, parking, etc really adds up. As others have said, I'd rather go see a local band play, or a minor league ballclub for $10 a ticket.
Last time I went to a concert it was about three years ago with Def Leppard and Styx, and the tickets weren't too bad ($40+/-), and with two bands playing, you really got a lot for the money. Plus I took the light rail train into the city to the concert and it only cost me a couple bucks for that.
I know many people that shell out several hundred bucks to go see Elton John, Billy Joel or the Stones. No thanks - I have all their concerts on DVD and can watch them from the comfort of my own home! :)
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(at) Chicago 2, Houston 1 (SO)
--- The Wolves rallied in the third period to send a 1-1 game to a shootout and defeat the Houston Aeros, 2-1, at the Allstate Arena
--- Right wing Tim Stapleton tallied in regulation and the shootout, while forwards Andrew Kozek and Matt Anderson also scored in the shootout
--- Goaltender Peter Mannino posted 23 saves in regulation and overtime and stopped three of four attempts in the shootout
Fri., March 12
Toronto 3, (at) Chicago 0
--- The Wolves surrendered three second-period goals and couldn't crack the scoreboard on the way to a 3-0 loss to the Toronto Marlies at the Allstate Arena
--- Goaltender Drew MacIntyre turned aside 22 of 25 shots


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So did you get your iPad 2?
Whether you woke up early yesterday morning to order online, waited forever in an Apple Store line, or risked low stocks at a big box or carrier store we want to know if you survived and more importantly -- did you get your iPad 2?!
Let us know your story in the comments below. Where did you go, what iPad 2 model did you get and what accessories did you get with it? And if not -- why not?
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So did you get your iPad 2?
I waited in line for 3 hours (I know, not all that long) only to have the Apple Store in Willowbrook Mall, Houston, TX run out of 3G devices before they got to me. I think that it is interesting that in all events, Apple never has enough product to go around. This is the second time I have had to walk away from a lunch day empty handed.
Is this creating a false demand and frenzy? Yes. Just not sure it is intentional, although it appears that way to me.
If your starving and someone throws you a cracker, your gonna be like "Thats the best damn cracker I've ever tasted."
Best Buy in Queens NY waited 3 hrs second on line got white 16g wii-fi. They had like 20 each model. So some people did not get the model they wanted.
I waited at an Apple store for about five hours. I was probably 30th of about 300 people. I wanted to get the white 32GB for AT&T, and I ended up with a black 32GB for Verizon. I was pretty upset, but I couldn't go away empty-handed after waiting for so long. I picked up a gray poly smart cover too.
I Was 9th in line and got the last 16 gb white wifi model. Waited in line for 4 and a half hours at the best buy in Sherman oaks.
I got in line at the Apple Store in Atlantic City, NJ around 2:30pm and was about 35th in line. One guy had been there since 7am when the mall opened. By the time they opened at 5pm the line was over 200 people easily! I got the 32GB wi-fi black model that I wanted, but I heard that some 3G models were already sold out by the time I got mine. I was out by 5:20pm. Employees would not say how many they had on hand, claiming that they didn't even know. I didn't buy a case or any accessories, as I prefer to get something much less expensive via ebay when available. Ipad sales were limited to two per customer.
One of the joys of living in Iowa, I guess, is that the line at my Best Buy were not insane. My guess is that they had perhaps 150 on hand. I was 20th in line and only waited outside for an hour and a half. Plenty were turned away, though...lots of people waited for work to end before joining the line, I guess.
Waited 4 hours at a best buy, was no 4 in line got 32 gig wifif white baby lol
Best Buy in Auburn, CA yesterday...waited in line for 2-3 hours...got the black 32Gb wifi (was hoping for 16Gb) but they only had 30 units total on hand and 20 of them were white. ? WTF unicorns?
Got to best buy at 4, walked out with iPad at 530 with about 70 people behind me.
Stood in libe for 5 hours at the Bloomington, IL Best Buy. Got the white 32gb wifi model. Love it!
I was tied up at work Friday, but my wife went to our local Sam's Club at about 4:30, and had no trouble getting one. (Receipt is stamped 5:07 PM). Turns out ours was one of only a few in the country to get the iPad2 yesterday. Extra bonus - price for the 16GB version was only $488.
They didn't have any accessories, so today we'll be going to an Apple Store...
I ordered a 16 Gb wifi yesterday morning. On my way home from work I decided to stop by a WalMart just to see if they had any iPads. I walked in at 5:05pm. There was a line of 4 people. First person had got in line at 4:35pm. They only had four 16Gb wifi's, so I ended up getting a 32Gb. Got home and then canceled my previous online order.
There's a mall across the street from the WalMart with both a Best Buy and Apple store. I had friends that spent most of the day waiting in line and didn't get one and they were just sitting there waiting for customers across the street.
Got up at 3:30am EST and the opened ordering at about 3:35am EST I only have to wait 3-5 days once it ships, but it hasn't shipped yet. :( All of my accessories have shipped some are even getting delivered today. It's a shame Apple didn't offer next day shipping for an additional cost, I would have gladly paid to get my iPad today. As it is Apple is saying 18-25 March before I get mine. :(
Waited over three and a half hours at Apple Store Valley Fair in San Jose, CA. By the time I got up to the front, they were out of AT&T models (my current carrier) so I picked up the Verizon model. I chose the 64 GB/VZW/white. Mom's getting my 64GB/AT&T iPad for her birthday next month.
The line behind me was deep! I think they sold out sometime after I got mine. They said they'd be open until midnight, but there was no line anymore by 9 pm. Amazing!!
I was lucky enough to walk into the local Target (Miami) and get the last 16gb black model in the area. Was shocked because it was around 6:15 pm ET. According to the sales guy they won't have any of the accessories until next week, along with a few more units. They said they only had 15 to start with (total of all models, so even fewer of each).
typing from my iPad 2 right now!!!!!
I was third in line at the best buy yesterday
I got my iPad 2 16GB WiFi Black yesterday at Best Buy. I love it, I'm using it now!
Our local Best Buy was the only retailer with them nearby, and surprisingly for our town the line inside spanned wall to wall with over 100 people. What was the most shocking was the HUGE stock my store got, I guess they got most of the ones designated for our cities. I came at 4:15 and was about 80th in line. It was disorganized so bad that the tickets didn't get put out until 5pm, the store really didn't expect a launch this big. You could tell that even mor when the line slowed to a trickle as you closed in on the registers. Luckily they got grey polyurethane cases in, and I managed to survive and escape the store at 6:30.
Looks like we were luckier at the ABQ Uptown Apple Store in Albuquerque, NM. I got there about 2:45 and was about 120 people back in the line. Beautiful weather. Free lemonade, ice tea or water courtesy of Apple. At 5pm staff walked the line taking orders and handing out cards for iPads in stock. At least everyone around me got exactly what they wanted. I got the white, 32G, WiFi model. I got the gray smart cover - very cool. Also got the new Digital AV adapter - works great. Got the camera kit, too. Woot! When I left the store about 6pm it looked like about 200 people still in line with others arriving. Hope they got what they wanted.
I stood in line at Best Buy for about 30 minutes before the guy came out and told everyone that they did not have any 3G iPads at all. So i called a friend at my local Verizon and they didn't have a line but they told me that you couldn't just buy the device without activating it in the store, I left. Checked then with At&t and other Best Buy's, but by this point they were sold out. My friend from Verizon called back and said that they could sell them without activation only when all they had left 16GB White. I wanted the 32GB black, but i took it, and also got the black leather smart cover. figured at best I could sell it on eBay, but i decided to keep it white not that bad but i will exchange for a 32GB when i get a chance.
Started waiting at 9am in Tyson's Corner, VA. Was fifth in line. got the 64Gb AT&T black one. It was an upgrade from the 64Gb wifi one. There were a lot of people in line after me, but Apple employees started handing out tickets at 4:15 with ne ticket per iPad they had in stock. It looked like they had lots of tickets but I haven idea if they made it to the end of the line. Here's a very rough video of the line I shot at about 4:30: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFvk1N8DOHY&feature=youtubegdataplayer
The speed difference is amazing and I never thouht the old iPad was slow. Apps just open much quicker and smoother and switching apps was very quick and smooth.
And I also got the red leather cover.
Hey. I just went to BB.
They got some in stock. I was told that drop ship came this morning. So, anyone needs iPad2, call local BB. There may be a chance. Good luck.
I just grab 16g white wifi.
Waited in line 12 minutes at Target. They got 5 and I was number 4 in line. Black 64 gb Wi-Fi.
Ordered it online and got tracking number for it this morning, will arrive 17th March shipped from China.
After waking up at 7:30 mountain time and seeing the 2 to 3 week wait for an online order, I figured I'd check out my local Target to see what models they were carrying. The kid behind the counter thought they would have them all, but hadn't seen any as of yet. He said there hadn't been too much interest the last couple days, and didn't think getting one at 5:00 would be a problem. He said they're going to hand out "cards" to hold your place in line, at 4:30, so I showed up at 3:30. It turned out that my local store only had the black 32gig wifi only model available, and had one card left of the five total allotted to them. I was really hoping to get a black, 64GIG, wifi only model, and two of the folks, that had already been given their cards, told me the Target store, that was about 15 miles from here, had only the model I was hoping for, and no one waiting, when they were there. So like an idiot, I bolted over to the other store, to find they were correct about the model, but they had given out all their priority cards. Disappointed, I thought I'd see what the line looked like at the Apple store, at the mall, which was another 15 or so miles away. By now it's 4:30, and what I found was a line that I'll say had 500 people in line. I figured I'd go home and order what I wanted online and bite the bullet for a few weeks.
I drove into town, about a mile from home, at about 20 past 5, which took me past my local Walmart. I went in to basically see which models and accessories they HAD. They lady behind the counter in electronics, said they had one iPad 2 left, but it was a black 64gig, wifi only model. I said I'll take it, and a gray smart cover, if they have one of those. They had ONE. Am I the luckiest "fanboy" of the day or what?
I live in California and saw 500 plus people on line at the Apple store. I walked into the AT&T store down the street at 4pm and was the only one there and when 5 pm came they sold me a black 32 gig 3G and I was out of the store with an activated IPad 2 by 5:05- sorry but ut pays to think outside the box!
Walked into the local walmart and purchased my 16gig white iPad. Absolutely no line and they had several in stock. I'm very impressed with it. Took all of 5 minutes to complete transaction. Guess that's one of the perks to living in a hillbilly ass town in west virgina. :)
HELL YEAH! I was first in line at the infamous millennia mall in Orlando Florida! I came at 10:30pm the night b4 and posted it... Then security made me mob it so I went to the gigantic Florida mall in downtown... Then I was first there... Millennia is beyond gay and too ritzy with their security... All in all I am very satisfied for waiting about 18 hours for my WHITE 64GB AT&T 3G model!!!
Apple store, Arden Fair, Sacramento, CA. In line @ 2:30 pm, about half way down the line, walked out of the store @ 6:05 pm with the exact model I wanted. And, that include setup and short demo. Apple sure has the process down. They were starting to run out of some models by the time I got to the start of the line. First time purchase from the Apple store.
We (my bro, and my 4 kids) waited 8hrs, got two Black 64 GB AT&T from Altamonte Mall, FL
Quick question... For all those who purchased a model different than what you wanted (carrier, wifi only, color, memory), is this your first iPad or are you upgrading? It's an interesting consumer act that I'm curious to know more about since a wait of a week or two would have gotten you exactly what you wanted. Not saying there's anything wrong with it, I just find it fascinating. (PS: 1 on order)
I checked online store on March 11, it says ships in 2-3 weeks. I checked online store this morning, March 12, it changed to ship in 3-4 weeks. I would like to have one before my upcoming overseas trip. I can not wait for that long. I am planning to visit a few stores nearby, Apple Store or BB during the week. I assume the line will be shorter then. I am so excited to own an ipad 2 soon.
my son decided at 5:15pm that he wanted to try to get a 16GB black wifi, so we arrived at valley fair mall in san jose at around 6. white models were out of stock not long after we joined the line. then all AT&T 3G models went out. after 2.5 hours of waiting, when we neared the tent, we heard that the only wifi models left were 64GB. we were encouraged by an employee that since there was a 14 day return policy with no restocking fee, we should get an ipad and then return it. when we finally got inside the mall, into the final line before going into the store, we were told that all wifi models were gone. all that were left were verizon models. needless to say, i had a disappointed kid. but what i thought was unfortunate that after sinking 3 hours into the experience, there was no reservation system in place. it would have been nice at least to have been able to reserve one that would arrive at the store in the next few days...
Got to my local Target at 3:30p and was 17th in line. At 4:20p, Target employees announced that there were very limited supplies of the 16GB models. A Target team member told me their store received 125 total across all models. Starting at the front of the line, colored tickets for different models were given out, keeping track of count. The nearby BestBuy ran out of their stock at 4:30p, and people started rushing into Target.
I wanted a 64GB WiFi in Black, but my Target also only received them in White. I ended up buying the 64GB AT&T 3G in Black. But it was worth it not to wait in the line of 400 waiting at the Apple Store. Plus, Target gave 5% off the price for using their Red credit card (which I applied for on the spot).
Target didn't receive any accessories, so I had to go to the Apple Store to get my cover. But, luckily if you weren't buying an iPad 2, they let you in the store. VERY pleased.
Heard lines where long at Apple store, decided to go to local Best Buy. Got there right at 4:30 and line wasn't long, 12 people or so. They started to hand out tickets and handed out the last on to the guy right in front of me. Grrrrrrrr!!! A Walmart was like 2 miles away. Called the and they said they only had 5 to sell but would tell me what they had, but did say they only had one person in line. I NASCAR'd it to the store, ran in and to my surprise still only the one guy. That is when they had only had 16g's, grrrrrrrr again! Wanted 32. Well when the store manager brought them out, they bad just one 32g. Wooohoooo, I got it cause the guy in front just wanted 16g. The the wait to 5:00 so they could ring me up. Was walking out of store by 5:03 with new iPad! No long lines, just a bit of race care driving!
I could write about my experience, but Paul just did. Paul, by any chance were you behind me at the Target in Wilmington, DE yesterday? I got a 3G AT&T 64GB iPad in black, just what I wanted. Target workers were great, very friendly and organized. So glad I went to Target, not Best Buy or the Apple Store! I still need to get my accessories, but that should be easy compared to buying my iPad 2!
I was in line at the Apple store at Northstar Mall in San Antonio, TX and was 106. I got 2 iPad 2 Wi-Fi 64 GB black. I wanted one white but they had run out as they ran out of all ATT iPads. I stood in line a total of 5.5 hours before I had it in hand.
The line here was very long and most everyone left disappointed. We were told we could return our purchase for what we really wanted without a restocking fee.
I got to the line at the Seattle Apple store (University Village) at 415 and was roughly 385th or so in line according to the Apple employees. The line started to compact a move about 10 minutes before open. 5 minutes before doors open a ton of apple employees began running around the line and high fiving everyone in line and hollering about the iPad 2. It was fun and exciting.
The line moved very quickly and by 615pm I was out of the Apple store with my White 16GB WiFi iPad 2 (gotta love #teamjailbreak and MyWi 4.0)
So excited!!! I was overwhelmed by the different color and leather/poly options and decided to forego a smart cover for now. I might try and pick one up at AT&T if they have any in stock.
I went to the Pasadena, California Apple store. I arrived at 4:50 PM. There must have been 150 people in front of me. After an hour the Apple employees turned a lot of people away. I went for the experience, just for fun.
But I thank Apple for the free iced tea. At least I still have an iPad 1 which I got at a deep discounted price (thank you Cal Poly Pomona)
Called my local Best Buy in Ann Arbor, MI at 3:00 PM and asked how big the line was. I was told it wasn't big and there were only a few people. I got there at 3:30 and was number 34 in line. The girl in front said they had just come from the Apple store be because their line was 150 people. I asked a Best Buy rep how many iPads they had and they replied 'we cannot say but let's just say you will be ok'. Good news. At 4:30 they went down the line asking models that people wanted and a little later came round with tickets that guaranteed you an iPad. At 5:30 I walked out with a black 16 GB WiFi model and a smart cover a very happy chappy :) Hats off to Best Buy for a great job.
They sold out of the white 64gb wifi model, so I saved $100 and went for the 32gb model.
Super stoked that I even got one!!!
Funny story, went to best buy in Phoenix Arizona about 4PM, when I got there the line had about 80 or so people in it.. About 4:45 best buy reps came down the line giving out tickets for whatever Ipad version someone wanted.. WELL! By the time they got to me they only had 64 gig wifi white available, I said sold. They gave me a ticket and said you can come back by 7PM or else we will put them up again to the general public, I said Okay, I'll come back after work.
I come back at 6, and I go to pickup my iPad and they can't find it. The best buy employees are running amuck all over the store looking in drawers, cabinets for this iPad and they cannot find it! AT ALL! 15 minutes go by and the store manager comes up to me and apologizes perfusly for the mistake and says that Best Buy apparently must have made too many "copies" of the vouchers.
There were 3 iPad's still on the table that nobody had claimed, the manager said that IF the 3 other iPad buyers don't show up by 7, I can have the 64 gig 3G model for the price of the wifi model.
7PM arrived, I walked out with a 64g 3G black iPad 2. It was worth the wait, but I'm glad Best Buy did something to fix their mistake!
Went to the Apple Store, Upper West Side in NYC. Couldn't get out of work until 6:00, but went straight there. The line curved all the way around the entire block. It was pretty cold, but I got in at about 8:00. Had planned on getting the 32GB black wifi model, but by the time I got in, they were sold out of everything except the 64GB. Wasn't going to go home empty-handed after waiting in the cold, so I plunked out an extra $100 and bought it. By the way, where did you get that Apple bib in the photo of that adorable baby??
I went to bestbuy around 4:20 and there was a huge line stretched all the way around the corner, so i went to walmart which was right next to it. I arrived in electronics and there was only 8 people in line!. They only had 25 in stock and a sheet was passed around listing which ipad 2 models were available, I got the 32gb wifi+3g verizon, they told me it was att but when i got home i found out it was verizon, i was little mad but happy I got an ipad 2. :)
I woke up in the morning and I made a few calls to apple store, best buy in different locations, Walmart and tarrget. The apple store had like 80 around 11:00am, that's what a rep from apple told me, best buy was empty so it was target an Walmart.
I went to the best buy at westbury in NY and There was only 5 people in front of me.
4:30 came and before they start it giving tickets they had to call the cops cuz there was a guy that try to get in front of the line and try to pay a girl $100 for the spot. A rep from best buy came out and told him to go to the back of the line and he did not wanted to move so the rep told him to get out, that he was not going to get a ticket. At the end the rep call the cops and the guy left the place cursing at the rep.
Now finally we got the tickets and I got myself a white 16g wifi iPad 2. I was out of the store at 5:05 and now I am the happiest man with my first iPad
I went to Best Buy in West Paterson NJ. I got there at 2:50, right after picking up my son at school. I was #7 in line, at 4:30 I got my ticket for a White 64GB Wifi 3G model. I was out the door at 5:11...my son is 5 and he totally behaved..so that was great.
Gheez! I got mine today, but had to settle for 16GB Verizon version. It's going back as soon as I can get a regular black wifi!
I left work and arrived at Target (Mary Esther, FL) at about 3:45 PM to find I was #2 in line. I wanted black, but the store only received 5 total, all 32GB WiFi in white. The local stores except for Best Buy didn't get any accessories, so a buddy picked up a Smart Cover in black leather for me.
I ordered my 32Gb Black WiFi iPad 2 yesterday morning (it was raining out, so I decided I didn't want to go anywhere and stand in line) at the Apple website. My Camera Kit has shipped, my Black Leather Smart Cover is getting ready to ship; no idea when the iPad will finally ship. Oh well, I've waited a year (didn't get the original iPad), so what's another week or so. I've been shopping for iPad apps since I don't have the iPad yet!
Went to nearby Best Buy at 3:45. Was about 25th in line. Was able to snag 64GB, AT&T 3g, Black, It was the last one of those available. Walked out around 6:00pm. The checkout process was not terribly efficient. But, glad to get one.
I got my black 32GB wifi from the Apple store in Cheektowaga NY (suburb of buffalo). I was 10th in line was there when the doors to the mall opened. I was there about seven hours but it went by fast. There was about 500+ people in line. The mall has a best buy right across from the Apple store and they had about 50+ people in line I was told by a friend that a group of 25 of them flocked to the Apple store. What sucks is they started that best buy line at the same time we started the Apple store line. Not good.
Went to AT&T store at 4, I was first in line they only had 5, waited till 5pm there was only 3 of us in line and I walked out at 5:30. Got the black 32 3G, black smart cover, and the apple care. So they threw in a pair of $50 speakers for free. They also lowered my mins and let me keep 1500 roll over mins, to help offset the $25 iPad service. And they changed my text to unlimited for the same price I am paying now. The AT&T guys were great! Oh this was in Naples, FL
Went to a local Walmart around 4:50, i was the third person there, they got in 10 iPads (non 3g)2 32GB 1 64GB, rest 16gb. I got a 16gb black with ease. Rural area shopping ftw! lol
Ordered a black 64G black model with grey cover @1:11 am PST March 11th. Latest email from Apple says the cover has already shipped for delivery on the 15th. Another email says my iPad has shipped for delivery by the 18th. Fedex tracking says it will deliver on the 17th by 4:30 pm. I'm in Europe right now and will get home on the 17th. Perfect! Little piece of Christmas in March!
On release day I had to fly from San Diego to Indiana for a military course that I have to attend.
Finally got ahold of an address of where I can ship my iPad 2, so I ordered it. Now in about a month I hope to see it. Congrats to you all who got ahold of one!
I was first in line at my Wal-mart store and picked up the 16 GB black. I returned in less than an hour later. The camera was awful and I found dead pixels on my screen. What a waste of time and such a big disappointment. It would have been nice if they had demo units otherwise I wouldn't have wasted my time.
Great stories everyone, I love reading them. I'm still enjoying my first gen iPad, that I picked up about 6 or 7 months ago at best buy. I decided it's still a great piece of tech, and will wait the new ipad2 out for a few months, then buy it and my wife can use this one till it dies. Thanks again everyone for the stories. Enjoy
I had checked earlier in the day at some of the local possibilities -- Target only had 5 white 16 GB WiFi in total so that was out. The AT&T stores didn't get any shipments and I figured Walmart was similar to Target in what they had in my area. I took a peek at the Apple store around 1 pm. Probably 150 in line at that point. I had to pick up my kids at school at 3:30, so I ended up deciding to go to Best Buy around 4. There were probably about 80 ahead of me, which wasn't too bad. The Best Buy staff came down the line with papers to mark which model you wanted. Then around 4:45, they came along to pass out the tickets for the specific model. I had wanted a black 32GB AT&T 3G. I have the unlimited plan, so I'm definitely sticking with the AT&T 3G models. I ended up with the white 64GB AT&T which is fine. I also picked up a blue SmartCover. It was a bit of a hassle being there with the kids, but we were out of there at 6.
I agree with you. Why not wait and get what you really want. Or do you just want to tell people you got your ipad 2 on it's launch day?!?!
Didn't get mine and really want one. Does anyone now if Apple gets shipments of product for Sundays? Is it worth going early tomorrow??
Stopped by Best Buy after work around 4:30pm, got in line with over 100 people in front of me. They started handing out tickets just before 5pm. My ticket for a Black 16Gb wifi had #27 written on it. Everyone in line seemed to be getting what they wanted, so it appears they had a good amount of stock at the Tuttle location in Columbus, OH. I was out the door at 5:50pm and couldn't be happier that I didn't have to wait any longer!! Love my iPad 2!
My wife was in line at the Bestbuy at 4 pm with 40 others. No one would say if there were tickets, enough to IPADS to sell, or anny accessories. She called me at work at 4:10 and said drive by Target to just check. I ask and they gave me number 14 of 15 and said I was guarenteed on as long as I came back by 6. Of course I was the 1st in line at 5 to get the black 16 wifi. Target had no accessories so we went to the mall Apple store and walked past the 300 people standing in line to get the cover and camera/sd adaptor. The Apple Store Has amazing service as they meet you at the front and take you directly to the product, swipes your credit card on their phone and send you the receipt to your email. I have an old 3G iPhone that I jail broke and that's the closest I ever got to Apple. I have to admit that the ecosystem of service and product has sold me 100 percent. Oh, and the Ipad2 is just fantastic as I have barely put it down!!!!!!
I didn't get one, and probably never will. Because even though I've finally managed to find work, I'll never make enough to justify dropping tha kind of cash.
But thanks, Tipb.com, for rubbing it in :-)
Got to the Apple Store at 8:30am and left at 5:09pm with my 32GB white AT&T iPad 2 :)
I got to the Nashville store at 9am and was 15th in line. The first guy in line had been there since 3am. By the time the store opened at 5pm, the line had wrapped through the mall and back again.
I got the 64gb, AT&T in black with smart cover. I also bought the hdmi out cable. Woohoo!
I waited two and a half hours at Best Buy yesterday for my ipad2. I live in Greenville, SC.
I was at the Best Buy in CC Texas and the line started to build around 12pm and it started out around 5-6 people. As the time went on the line grew to around 150 at about 3pm. It was a really long line but I think everyone got what they wanted. My party was about #9 in line. Got a White 32GB Wifi and a Grey Smart Cover aaaannnnnddd the HDMI connector. They still had some tickets left after the big crowed was helped. They may even have more. It was a great experience for everyone because the employees at this Best Buy did a great job bringing such order to this seemingly chaotic situation ha ha. Great job all around!
Arrived at Best Buy Spanish Fort, AL at 4:00 pm and was about 22nd in line. 30 min later they came out with tickets. 30 min later I had my 32G white ipad2. Yeah!
I agree with you. It was fun waiting in a launch line, but I have experienced it now and have no desire to do it again.
Since everyone is out of iPad 2s, and will probably not be in stock for at least a week (probably a month given that shipping dates have been pushed back that long), I am leaning just keeping the first generation until iPad 3 comes out.
I got my iPad 2 at my local best buy. Verizon. Got it at 615. They only had 3 left. I took one of the three. They only had the white left. I am writing this comment on my iPad 2. Over 3G.
I had the funniest experience.
My boy was sitting in line with a friend of his. He got there at 9am and was 5th in line. I took my boy space, my wife snuck in line with me. We ended up getting 4 IPads( 2 for her, 2 for me) we kept 1 a piece, 2 are on eBay now. 200 people in line in Besthesda Md Apple store, felt bad for doing it but we are business people here.
I got 2 Att 3G White 64GB for sale $1100 per
I live in Pensacola. Drove over to Pace about 20 mins away got it no line no wait at Walmart but they only had the 64 GB so i had to dig deep in my pockets.
Those speakers in the Main picture of this Article are 500 dollars and sound amazing. A guy I use to work with at Microsoft bought those this year with his Bonus. Well worth the money AMAZING sound
Arrived at the Cerritos California (mall) Apple store at 8:00 AM Friday morn.I was about number 15 even that early. The day was pleasant but long. Chatted with fellow wanabe iPad 2 users during the day. Most everyone was upbeat and pleasant. Thanks to some people behind me I was able to borrow a chair for a bit. Apple furnished water, coffee and tea during the day. Picked up lunch and toured some of the mall as well as the Apple store. The store close at 3:00 PM and reopened at 5. By 4:30 there were at least 400 in line. Got into the store quickly and was out with my shiney new iPad 2 WiFi plus 3G 64 gig (AT&T) by 5:10.
I was the original iPad with unlimited data. I was able to move it over simply by swapping the SIM card. My iPad 2 now has unlimited data!!!
Loving the iPad 2 so far :-)
Called before standing in line- stores around here sold out in less than 40 minutes Friday! This morning 20 minutes after the Apple Store opened, there were about 50 people in line. Was smart enough to ask they guy coming out how many were left(he said he was 8th in line when they opened and there were 14 then). We left. No luck at Best Buy, Walmart, or Microcenter. Will just wait...
Got to the Apple Store in Pentagon City, Arlington VA at 4:45pm. My rough estimate is there were 350 people in front of me. The first one to run out was ATT 3G's. After announcements were made that stock was "dangerously low" I finally got a ticket for a white 16gb wifi at around 7:30pm and made it inside at 8:30! The line was cut off about 30 people behind me; if I had arrived 15 minutes later I would have gone home empty handed.
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Got to the local Best buy at 3:30 pm and was told that the line did not start till 4 pm. So I went to Mcdonalds with my daughters for something to snack on while we waited. Got back by 3:45 and they had started the line early, so now I was about sixty back. They told us they would pass out the vouchers at 4:30 pm. About 5:00 pm they started passing out the vouchers. I eneded up getting the last 64g white wifi model. They had two registers open so the line took forever. I finally got my iPad 2 at 6:30 pm with a blue smart case. From what I heard everyone in the line got one and they had version ones left. My girls were awesome for the long wait even got compliments on how well they acted.
Arrived at Best Buy in Madison Heights, MI about 2:30pm and was third in line. Got 64GB Black AT&T model but they did not have a any black leather covers. So I went over to the Apple Store about ten minutes away and got one there. The line there snaked through most of the mall so I'm glad I went to Best Buy.
I was sixth in line at a Verizin store... the Verizon pos system could not scan the Apple bar code, so I was unable to purchase.
Do these idiots not test their systems for functionality ahead of an event?
I ordered mine Friday at about 7:30 am and got a ship date of 4/1... Just as a piece of personal research, I went yesterday to 2 Wal-Marts. 2-Targets. 1 Best-Buy, 1 AT&T store and finally to the Apple store here in SOUTH Southern Orange county (CA).. between noon and 1:30 pm pacific time... NOTHING...ALL GONE...NADA... And some VERY irritated folks everywhere...
Ordered mine at 1:06am PT online and got the shipment confirmation the next day. The latest I'll get it is 3/17, but there's a chance of getting it earlier. :D
It was crazy. It said 3-5 business days and the shipment confirmation gave me an ETA of 3/17. Within less than 45 minutes, it went to 5-7 business days and after another 45 to an hour, it turned to 1-3 weeks. Next time I checked it was 3-4 weeks, which it is still at right now. :D
I would have stood for an hour or two but the 5pm bothered me. It took about an hour to get the first iPad when the store staff told me there was no way to get one especially because of the special pre-order line that they had last year. BS. Like I said, one hour and I had one.
I was going to get a second one, but I may just order that, too without the wait. :D:D:D
I went to my local Target at 4:50pm Friday and there was only 3 people in line. I got my Black 16GB WiFi and was out by 5:05pm. I had to go to the Apple store to get my smart cover because Target and Walmart didn't get any accessories and Best Buy only had black leather and all 5 colors in the polyurethane. I got the tan leather.
I went to a Best Buy in Denver. I was first in line - took off work. They handed out coupons shortly before 5 PM. However, when 5 PM came they announced that the iPads had not arrived at the store. It is Monday - and still no iPad2. They say they will call when they come in. Sounds fishy. VERY FRUSTRATED.
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Plz tell me what you think about my build. I dont know much about pc so any help is welcome. looking to play game like diablo 3, wow, call of duty and a few others. looking to stay around $700-$850. I am very open to change just about anything as long as we can keep the cost down.
this build puts me in at $852.
Other video cards i thought about useing. keep in mind i trying to keep cost down i would love to get closer to $700.
I like the case i picked in this build but wanted to know if its any good
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Well...if you wanna get around $700...
Consider dropping the i5-3570K, and go for something like a i5-3350P. I doubt you'll need th later with the GPU your wanting to run, also the P doesnt have integrated graphics, so your saving some money there. Can save you 30-40 bucks there.
I'd seriously coonsider switching to a Nvidia GTX 660 instead of the 7850, its an all around better card and the price difference is marginal.
If your planning on overclocking at all, you should go for a Z77 or Z75 chipset motherboard, Asrock makes some good ones around 80 bucks.
You can save yourself some money on the RAM, you dont need 8 gigs for gaming, go 4 instead. Stick with the 1600 if your planning OCing ur CPU, and if not, go with a 1333 with a lower CAS latency (7 or 8)
You could easily run a GTX 660 and a i5-3350P off a 450w (no overclocking), if your gonna OC go for a 550+
Anyways that should help you shave 30-60 bucks off and you'll end up with a much more balanced gaming rig.
Oh an an easy way to save 100 bucks is just to reuse whatever Operating System your using now, expecially if its Windows 7...
The case is fairly nice. The problem is that $100 for a case doesn't fit your budget very well, and that's the most obvious thing to cut down if you want to save money. So let's try this:
Cheaper case that is decent enough, in a combo discount with a much higher quality power supply. There's a 20% off promo code on the case, too, though you might not be able to get it together with the combo deal. That would save you $69 before rebate of $59 after, even if you can't use the promo code, too.
A cheaper optical drive is an easy way to save money, too, even if it's only a difference of $4:
If you want to bring the budget down further than that, then the way to do it is to go AMD on the processor. AMD's FX-series processors ship with a decent enough cooler, so you could skip the aftermarket cooler. AMD charges less for their chipsets than Intel, so you could get a decent budget motherboard rather than one meant for a low-power office computer. Note that in your build, you're paying extra for an overclockable processor, and then pairing it with a motherboard that will completely disable overclocking.
The FX-6300 is the AMD CPU of choice for a budget gaming desktop:
That's in a combo deal with memory, and with the combo discount, the memory would be cheaper than what you picked. Better specs, too, as it's 1866 MHz. You don't really need 1866 MHz memory, but if it's cheaper than 1600 MHz, why not?
Don't be scared of the Intel logo on the memory for an AMD processor. That's a marketing thing, and it's probably Patriot paying Intel to let them use their logo on Patriot memory. Patriot also makes memory with an AMD logo on it. But DDR3 is an industry standard, so it will all work with whatever.
And then if you get an AMD processor, you'll need an AMD motherboard:
That brings it down to $252 for CPU+motherboard+memory, as compared to about $340 in your build. So that will bring the budget down to right around $700 after rebates.
An FX-6300 is about as fast as a Core i5-3570K in well-coded games that scale properly to at least six cores, too. But in badly-coded games that can't make good use of more than four cores, it only offers around 70% of the performance of the Core i5-3570K. So, do you like to play badly-coded games? :D
Originally posted by ChuChuTrick
If you get a Core i5-3350P, then you lose much of the CPU speed advantage over an AMD FX-6300 in games that don't scale well to many cores, but you still pay a considerable price premium for it. Meanwhile, you'd then have a processor that is considerably slower than an FX-6300 in things that do scale well to six cores. And you can't overclock an 3350P, either.
Switching to a GeForce GTX 660 adds $35 to the price tag before rebate or $40 after. Yes, it's faster than a Radeon HD 7850, so you can make a good case for it on an appropriate budget. But the original poster is trying to bring the budget down, not up.
Memory has gotten cheap enough that you don't actually save very much by going with 4 GB instead of 8 GB. So that's something I'd advise against, as there is a substantial chance that you'll want more than 4 GB at some point. If you do get 4 GB, you need two 2 GB modules, not one 4 GB module, as you need one module for each memory channel or else you cut your memory bandwidth in half.
Also, you do realize that latency timings are in numbers of clock cycles, don't you? For example, 1600 MHz CAS 9 is lower CAS latency (11.25 ns) than 1333 MHz CAS 8 (12 ns).
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I think you need to re-evaluate this build some.
You have a B75 chipset motherboard, which probably isn't what you want (almost all gamers go with a Z77). It's also microATX - which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but you've got a relatively expensive mid-tower ATX case to stick it in.
To get closer to $700, your looking at dropping to an AMD FX (probably the FX-6300), snagging a AM3+ motherboard (something like Asus M5A97) , and ~maybe~ keeping a 7850, but probably dropping to a 7770.
I just poked around Newegg - other deal hounds can likely do better, but here's what I came up with:
LG DVD Burner: $16.99
Total: $693.90
One other thing I'll mention is that the point of a Sapphire FleX card like the one in the original post is that it has some special stuff onboard to let you use three DVI monitors from a single card at once, rather than needing to use DisplayPort for a third monitor. That's great if you want three monitor Eyefinity, as paying $10 extra for a video card is cheaper than $30 for a monitor port adapter. But it's a waste of money if you're not going to use a third monitor, as there are other Radeon HD 7770s that are cheaper.
Quizzical u seem to know alot about building these... I am very lost when it comes to the video cards. Is there a big jump in performance from the Radeon HD 7770 to the 7850? I was thinking about saving money and going with the 7770 however if its a big jump in performance i would spend a little more and get the 7850. Also there are so many different cards of each and i am not sure which 7770 or 7850 to go with... could u link me one that u think would be best for my build? I am only planning on getting one monitor.(3 would be cool but i am poor)
Also it kind of sounded like u thought i should get a different motherboard if i stay with the i5 3570k. Again could u link what u think would work best. I will look into going with a AMD FX 6200 over the i5 but want to read up on it little 1st.(not planning on overcloaking at all...just want this pc to last a long time) Do I need a sound card or can I just use the on board sound they put with them?
thanks alot for the help everyone
Originally posted by Spartan3088
If it's for gaming purposes, I'd recommend saving money on the CPU (by getting an FX-6300) before the GPU. A Radeon HD 7770 is the top bin of the "Cape Verde" GPU, while a 7850 is the "Pitcairn" GPU. A Cape Verde GPU chip is roughly a Pitcairn chip cut in half--and yes, that means you lose half of the performance. A 7850 does disable 1/5 of the CUs and clock the whole thing lower, so it's not double the performance of a 7770, but it is a pretty big gap. A 7850 has 38% more shader and TMU performance than a 7770, 72% more ROP performance, and more than double the memory bandwidth.
It's a big enough gap that I wouldn't consider the 7770 to be the next card down from a 7850. Rather, in AMD's lineup, that's just a hole where there aren't any cards, and Nvidia fills it with a GeForce GTX 650 Ti.
That said, a 7770 is a capable card, and can run games just fine. But it's a big step down from a 7850.
Which card do u like best then?
or if u know a better one around $130.00 plz link
What do u think about these builds?
i was lost on what motherboard to use and video card on both builds. plz send link if u have a better one for around same price
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I have 6300, I can play every game on full settings with great frame rate. That said I have a highish end gpu. But still in supposedly cpu heavy games like planetside 2, I'm still pulling a steady 60 in 1080p with everything turned up to max.
Originally posted by Spartan3088
If you regard rebates as "free", then either of the GeForce GTX 650 Tis that you linked would be nice, as would the Sapphire 7770 from one of your build links. The proper platform for a Core i5-3570K is a Z77 motherboard. It will work with a Z68 motherboard, but won't be ideal--meaning you likely lose support for some features such as PCI Express 3.0.
I still think you should get a cheaper case, such in the combo deal with the higher quality power supply that I linked.
Your right on the case for sure however i just like it so i willing to pay more for it(i know its dumb). other then the case how do they look. and which would u go for? Do u like the i5 or AMD? and do u like the GeForce GTX 650 Ti or the 7770?
I change the power supply and on the i5 i change it to a Z77 like u said. for $100 more is the i5 build the way to go or should i get the AMD because i wouldnt see much diff. in the builds?
still open to change things just let me know what to pick
Originally posted by Spartan3088
On your budget, I think it makes more sense to save money and go with an AMD processor. Also, if you get an AMD processor, skip the aftermarket cooler, as the stock coolers that come with AMD's FX processors are about as good as a cheap aftermarket cooler, anyawy.
The choice between a GeForce GTX 650 Ti and a Radeon HD 7770 is really just one of budget. If you're thinking of buying an Intel processor, then you've got a large enough budget that I'd go ahead and get the GTX 650 Ti.
If you really want to spend that much on a case because you love the looks of it, that's fine. It's your money, not mine, but some people care more about aesthetics than others. And paying an extra $50 for a case that you think looks great sure beats paying double to get a Mac or some such.
For the power supply, it's not just "get a different power supply at random". You still need to get something good. The Rosewill Capstone is very nice, and 450 W is plenty for your needs:
Or if you're trying to save some money, you could just get a lower wattage version of what you picked the first time:
You're looking at building a computer that will probably never pull 250 W from the power supply, so you don't need 600 W.
I was told by a friend to make sure to get a power supply of 650w + so i dont get browning. I was lost and didnt know what a good one was vs a bad one. i will change both builds to ur pick http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066
lol u clearly know way more about this stuff then us.
I was going to go with the i5 but sounds like the AMD is just as good(well very close 2). I will drop the fan as i didnt even know that it came with one lol. Was the motherboard i picked any good?
Other then that i think that is my build.....unless u can think of anything else i should change or do.
thanks so much for all ur help!
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January 30, 2015
Putting an End to Buddhist Patriarchy
On December 1, 1955, in Montgomery, Alabama, an African-American woman refused to obey a bus driver's order to give up her seat to a white passenger. This simple act of defiance became one of the most important symbols of the modern Civil Rights Movement in the United States. Before she passed away in 2005, Rosa Parks became a Buddhist—at age 92. One can speculate that this female icon—and fierce opponent of discrimination—chose Buddhism because it lends itself to the advancement of social justice causes. She was right. More »
January 27, 2015
Was the Buddha an Atheist?
"The Buddha was an atheist." Writer Allan Badiner made this bald pronouncement in the midst of a conversation that spanned the wee hours of a cloudless Burning Man night. Sitting in a vast tent where, during the day, scores of partygoers had washed off their dust and grime in a plexiglass chamber, we discussed prevailing notions of a Buddhist godhead and, conversely, our mutual embrace of the religion in its secular form. I was most intrigued, though, by Badiner's description of the Buddha as an atheist. I asked for sources. Allan's first response: More »
January 23, 2015
Ghosts, Gods, and the Denizens of Hell
For Buddhists, the universe has no beginning. Various world systems come into existence and eventually cease to be, but other worlds precede and follow them. The Buddha is said to have discouraged speculation about the origin of the universe; the question of whether the world has a beginning is one of fourteen questions that the Buddha refused to answer. He also remained silent when asked whether the universe will ever come to an end. Individual worlds are destroyed, incinerated by the fire of seven suns; but, no apocalypse, no final end time, is foretold. Individual beings put an end to their individual existence, one that also has no beginning, by traversing the path to nirvana. More »
January 20, 2015
The Economy of Salvation
The incomparable loftiness of the monk figure—placid and disinterested, having renounced desire—leads many to think of Buddhism as a religion detached from all worldly concerns, especially those of economy. But Buddhism has always addressed a continuum of human flourishing and good, creating what has been referred to as an "economy of salvation." Metaphors of economy—even of debt—abound in Buddhist texts, and in many ways Buddhism came to be fundamentally shaped by economic conditions and considerations of the era in which it originated. More »
January 15, 2015
The Real Enemy is Religious Extremism
Gnanasara Thera, the leader of a Buddhist extremist organization called Bodu Bala Sena More »
January 15, 2015
More than This Body
Pain, by definition, kind of sucks. So unpleasant emotions like fear and anger often arise along with it, making for an especially demoralizing experience. We usually try, then, to simply get rid of it. Being cured of pain is the outcome our culture teaches us to expect—we carry a sense of entitlement that life should be free from pain. But one of the worst parts of the pain syndrome—whether the discomfort is short-term, as in meditation, or long-term, with chronic pain—is that our physical pain and our urge to nullify it feed off one another in a most unfortunate loop, and our life comes to revolve around our discomfort. More »