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Lol @ Family Guy
Ruff Ruff
Im calling the SPCA...
naked ape
GREAT pooter on that babe. Looks like the dog wanted a piece of it too.
Chief Wiggam
I love the Simpsons!
Fantastic legs and thighs, I would have fucked her senseless missionary style..

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7/29/2013 Update: This BMW sold just hours after being listed here on BaT. Congrats to buyer and seller!
From 7/26/2013:
This 1973 BMW 2002tii (chassis 2764448) is a factory black sunroof car that was purchased by the seller in Northern California and imported to Canada, where he restored it from 2006-2008. The restoration included the full teardown of the body, engine, interior, and all trim, with the gas tank and rear sub frame removed as well. Some of our favorite subtle modifications were made including deleting the US-spec side markers, adding a Petri steering wheel, and a 2002 Haus 5-speed transmission swap. This BMW is now available in Toronto, Ontario, Canada for $35k USD.
The exterior was painted with Glasurit black paint after blocking and priming. Side-marker holes were filled with metal and all aluminum bright work was replaced with OEM BMW new parts. All chrome parts were re-chromed to show quality and all rubber seals and bumper rubber was replaced with OEM BMW rubber. An new BMW windshield and new BMW OEM "roundie" tail lights were installed, and the bumpers tucked in with '72 bumper brackets, which look better than the '73 units.
Underneath, the body was wire-brushed, cleaned and sealed with two coats of POR15 rust protection paint and Wurth High Build Undercoating under the rear subframe. Wheel-wells received the same POR15 and Wurth treatment. Front wells received the POR15 and POR Chassis Coat. Inside them are period gold Work Equip 03 custom wheels (15×7 front with 195/50 and 15×7.5 rear with 205/50), and the seller says that a different set of BBS wheels are also available. The car sits very nicely thanks to Bilstein HD shocks and Ireland Engineering springs, and the seller says that cornering is fantastic.
The car is nicely sorted and has 15k miles since the restoration. A full restoration log can be found here on the 2002FAQ. The seller says that the car is a blast to drive as it is fast and tight, and it gets great gas mileage and is super reliable. It is well-known on the 2002 FAQ board as the owner has traveled to numerous events in the US. Below is a video he shot in the car with his youngest son on father's day 2012.
The interior is one of our favorite we've seen in a 2002 in some time. The E21 320i sport front seats were recovered with correct vinyl and an NOS tii dash in excellent condition was installed. A new headliner was added with all new rubber door and window seals (of course…OEM BMW). Rear seats are from a BMW 635CSI and were custom fit with a custom parcel shelf. German square weave carpet was added along with a Petri Sport wheel and a restored center console. A Parker Performance Center console plate with VDO gauges for oil pressure, oil temp and water temp looks great, and and M3 5-speed shift knob also looks nice. An E30 M3 map light rear view mirror was wired in and is functional, and the seller is proud of the proper Golde sunroof wind deflector, which is very rare. Lastly, an Alpine CDA 9835 Head unit with IPOD control in the glove box, custom kick panel front speakers, trunk mounted amp and subwoofer deliver sounds.
The engine was rebuilt with donor block by Markus Glarner Motorworks in Port Perry, ON (noted Vintage BMW racer and engine builder). It was a performance build including JE forged 10:1 pistons, lightened connecting rods, a hardened crank, Dibilias 284 tii cam, ported head, and new valves. All services were properly finished, all metals plated as correct from the factory, like a Wrinkle coat valve cover, etc. The mechanical fuel injection was properly set-up for for the 284 cam. All new OEM BMW hoses were used for cooling, vacuum, and fuel, and Ireland Engineering Poly engine mounts keep things steady. A 320i radiator was selected for optimum cooling, with a new thermostat and fan. A major commitment was the all-new fuel delivery system, including the Tii fuel pump, fuel accumulator, fuel filter, KFISH pump lines, and the proper BMW fuel hoses and fuel hose clamps.
The original Tii fuel tank was removed and resealed during restoration, and a new front wiring harness from BMW Mobile Tradition. A Painless Performance H4 headlight wiring harness supplies an HID conversion within the Euro headlight buckets, and Cibie Oscar Driving lights and Italian turn signals were also added. A battery relocation kit took the dry cell battery to the trunk for better weight balance and space under the hood, and a rebuilt tii alternator was spun to 80A. Lastly, an Ireland ceramic-coated Step Header and Ireland Stainless Steel 2″ exhaust finish off the powerplant.
The 2002Haus 5-speed conversion is the best on the market, and includes a custom cut driveshaft, Z3 shifter, and all brackets to properly align the housing. The gearbox selected was an E21 5-speed transmission that was resealed and has no leaks. A 320i 3.91 LSD was rebuilt in 2012, and likewise has no leaks. New Turbo rear spindles were added along with poly transmission bushings. The rear subframe was stripped down to bare metal, received three coats of POR15 and POR Chassis coat, and was re-installed with new poly bushings, a new Suspension Techniques sway bar, and all replacement bolts purchased new from BMW.
Brakes are the Ireland Engineering big brake front kit with E21 hubs and an Aardvarc Performance rear disc conversion kit. New steel hard lines run throughout the car, and new steel flex lines were added along with new brake fluid reservoir and hoses (yup… BMW OEM).
If you haven't gotten the drift quite yet, this is a spectacular 2002tii.
Check out the many additional photos here in the seller's SmugMug album.
lovely job could you tell me what brand/make front tower brace is. am in ongoing restoration
Congrats to the previous owner Kris on selling this tii. Having seen this car in person at several Vintage NC events, I would not change a thing. The beauty of building any vehicle is that you can put your own personal touch that really enhances a great vehicle (like the 2002). Wonder where it ended up?
@jamieb – no I think this sounds like a pretty tight job, esp given the sellers other clear quality standards and knowledge of the platform. the other commenters poo'ing on POR don't know what it is… I'll respond more to them than your comment when I say:
1. it's not a 'rust converter' itself, however it does consume moisture during it's curing reaction therefore has a remarkable ability to stop rust if you have done some reasonable prep on it. essentially it will consume any residual and atmospheric humidity in the rust / surface as it cures which is why it is so effective over the long term.
2. it's ridiculously hard bonding to any kind of decently prepped surface. if someone is really worried about if it would stick to the prepped metal you could check w the seller to see if he used the POR metal prep stuff too, if he did this is as permanent a 100yr coating as you can find. but even if he didn't – my experience is that stuff will bond like nothing else to anything even half-ass prepped.
I'm not a complete POR fanboy in all cases and am happy to critique them for instance you can buy all their 'accessory' chemicals generically for lots cheaper and they tend to do the "you must use all 17 steps of our branded chemicals" thing even when it's not strictly true, but if he did this as described even half by the book, this is a tremendously well protected 2002 . I bet it quiets the NVH to an amazing degree too.
does it bother anyone else all this work was done and it was wire wheeled and POR15 applied not media blasted.
POR15 does seem to work, i have it on a jeep i treat circa 2002 ish and its holding up great.
I would be afraid of rust creep in some crevice. Other then that, this is how you do it.
Brian M,
No, they weren't Chinese copies as the 2nd one came directly from Pertronix as a replacement for the 1st defective unit. I believe the new "lobe sensor" type are just more prone to failure than the original type which utilizes a magnet wheel.
So much like on this one; someone read my 2002 mind.
Glad it got out of NoCal, otherwise it might have ended up flat black.
I'd like to loan the owner of this BMW my old Mercedes coupe… and let him make it up the way it should be. Better than new.
Perfect. Can't afford it. Would be afraid to scratch or ding it. Perfect.
Note the sisal floor mats. Very nice period correct accessory. I remember buying some cheap knock offs from JC Whitney for my Mazda RX2
@ tokamak:
Since this is the first 2002 you've ever seen with a rear foglamp, here is the Hella unit fitted to my '73tii:
I did not choose the placement or the type (it's a Hella universal aftermarket), but the holes were present on this car's original bumper and through some good fortune, I sourced the lamp that had been installed on this car back in the 1970s. While I do not agree with its location or usefulness on a fair-weather weekend car in the 2000s, I wanted to fill in the holes so I didn't have to replace the bumper center section.
As far as aesthetics are concerned, the rear of a USA-spec '73tii has some really awful concessions to Federally-mandated safety regs: side marker lights, rear reflectors, body-mounted taglights and bumpers pushed away from the body on big steel supports for crash protection. Suffice to say there's been plenty of changes made for the US market model to conclude "aesthetics" were of little concern to NHTSA in the early 1970s.
The larger (5″ or so) more visible round rear fog lamp, if mounted under the bumper, would hang too low and likely be knocked askew or off completely while driving on an unimproved/unpaved road. Also, these lamp with separate lens/reflector are not sealed from the elements and water, dirt and debris can cloud the lens, reflector, and/or short out the lamp, rendering it useless.
In the Bavarian Alps in 1974, I saw numerous cars with the 5″ round rear fog mounted in unusual places above the bumper: BMW E3s, Austin minis, VW Beetles, Golfs, Audi 100s, Ford Consuls and Capris, etc. In the drizzle near Garmisch Partenkirchen, all had a certain "Monte Carlo Rally" aesthetic. Quite typical for the time and place. But to understand fully, I suspect you had to be there.
@xkman "I had multiple sets of Pertronics fail on me in the last two years"
Those must have been the Chinese copy of the Pertronix units – and thats probably why they failed.
This is the first 2002 I have ever seen with a rear foglamp so if the factory fitted it to the top of the bumper I gladly concede the point.
I have been in fog which did not quite extend down to tarmac level, rare I'll admit but I believe the density tends to be reduced the lower you go, so a lower position should be visible sooner. That may explain the reasoning for under bumper placement on several (most) other cars.
Aesthetically I think it would look better on the underside. The position of the one on this car looks a little cherry "lollipop" to my eyes.
Kris, I hope if you ever sell your M2 conversion, you offer it here. If it's as nicely done as this car is, I'm sure it will be a real winner.
The kid IS wearing a seatbelt in a pre-airbag car driving in clear weather on open rural roads. Now go back to reading that Ralph Nader biography on your nightstand.
"so long lumpy stinky horsehair"
If it's lumpy, stinky and crumbling, it's worn out and should be replaced. Modern synthetic horsehair padding is cheap, works great, retains the general correct feel of the original seats.
" I'd want to drive this car so much that I'd drive it into the ground."
That's an impressive attitude. Perhaps similar to the, "drive it like you stole it," comment so often seen here at BAT. My personal recommendation is not to be afraid to use these old cars but not to grind them into the ground (that's what the DD is for). Enough effort has been put into cars like this that I think any responsible owner would try to maintain/preserve it at this level, but not make it a garage queen.
@ abnormale Had given it a thought! But given what 02 prices are now, GTV owners are going to start asking in the 40 grand range
@xkman & @Bud Osbourne I'll defer to you on the petronix. If I had your experience I would stick with points too. Forget what I did have, just that I bought it at Greenfield Imports in MA. I asked for a petronix system, they didn't have it (must have known better) and gave me what they had instead. I had never heard of it, all I remember is that the coil was red and it never let me down. Oh and @ xkman I'm all about foam padding and an E30 M3. Although I did get a full 02 redone set of seats (sort of peanut butter colored, vinyl sides and fabric centers) for $400 bucks when I had my 02. Best upgrade I ever did, so long lumpy stinky horsehair. Still stand by that if you are a stickler for original to the point of restuffing horse hair you are a little touched. But hey, I'm a little touched too. As someone else posted, somehwhere up above this it's about what experience you want. I'd want to drive this car so much that I'd drive it into the ground. Some of the mods make it more liveable third brake light is a great, led light conversion. Bigger modern tires, just not too big, steering is heavy enough as is. That said I've realized I had my 02 fun, and if I get a 2nd car it will be something more modern (indeed first gen M3/5/6) and quick from the get go, safe yet reliable. Ironically though I complain about points, I'm scared of a lot of electronic parts from the 80s failing(5/6er ECU for example).
I have driven a lot of cars in my time and can not think of a sweeter driving car than a 2002tii that has been set-up like this. Back in the day my car buddy had this car in silver, spent 30K to get the car he bought from the west coast perfect. He offered it to me for 12K as he was ready to move on to something else and I declined as I needed a DD and his was too nice. What I ask myself defines "sweet"? An Alfa comes to mind, but a 2002 tii done like this is so sweet you will need to brush your teeth often.
I did actually understand the context, I just have a weird sense of humor that doesn't always travel that well it seems.
I don't even have a stereo in my TR6, technically I have a "mono" I suppose since the original (?) radio is still in there and makes some kind of noise through the left speaker but since it can't compete with the dual Monza exhaust I don't even bother to use it and I wouldn't even if it could
That said, if I had a decent stereo in it then today I would have put on some JJ Cale and played it rather loud …..
I wondered how long it would be before the 2002 guys would start the personal attacks. Happens every time. Take a walk on the wild side and get an Alfa GTV.
If I'm not mistaken, the IE stainless steel exhaust system is larger diameter than stock – 2.0″ instead of 1.75″.
So, while visually it is similar to stock, it's actually bigger. And forget the factory chrome tip.
It's always a bit difficult on modified cars to figure what's been changed. I suppose that has something to do with the sizes of the wheels, too.
Sorry, I absolutely disagree. When I had my tii the music allowed by the Abarth it wore put it solidly into the performance realm it rightly belonged in. The look was pure Euro-sports, which of course was exactly what it was. Comparing that to the current large-can poser is to insult every tii on the road. It was as sweet as any 4 cyl. you have ever heard, and all of those you haven't as well, and it was able to run with them all. It also made the Camaro and Corvette guys nuts because they could not understand how they just got smoked by a two door box sedan. The sound made 'em really nervous, but they couldn't connect it to the look. It just doubled the fun.
I knew a guy who, after owning his Z8 for about 2 weeks had the stock set-up pulled off so he could have some adjustable- bypass by knob on the cans installed. "I payed for the damn thing, I want to hear it, too! I can't drive my California Spyder everywhere. I want those damn kids to hear the insult of me blowing them off. If I wanted to be quiet I'd take the NSX." I sure wasn't going to argue the point with him.
As above, to each his own. Thanks for your concern.
Take that "crappy music" in context, as in any music which obscures the engine note of a motor I desire to hear is crappy at the moment it so obscures. This video is about the car, not the music.
While there have been many times I've taken pleasure from a performance by Mr. Thorogood, I am not so well versed in his music as to recognize it fast enough for a round of "Name That Tune". The longer the music played the more frustrated I became in my desire to hear the Bavarian baritone I longed for. I watched the entire video thinking, as well, that while not unappreciatve of the efforts set forth, just as with details on the car itself, if I'm picking nits I would have found "Autobahn" or perhaps more obliquely even "Radar Love" more in keeping with a tii than a rockabilly rumbler by the esteemed Mr. Thorogood.
To each his own. Thanks for your concern.
"The car looks anemic with the stock style tail-pipe."
the whole point about 2002's is that their visuals are and understatement of their performance. Sticking a big set of Honda-esque tailpipes on it would be akin to stuffing your jeans with toilet paper to enhance the visual impact of your family jewels. If this were a twin turbo'd car with 20″ modulars and huge wheel flares … okay go for a 3″ side exit exhaust and a 20″high rear wing. But in keeping with Bavarian tasteful restraint … I'd say at best this should have a plain single, stock diameter chrome time (straight rolled end, none of that bias sh*t).
However, I'll admit that in the day it was popular to stick ANSA twin tips on everything as if adding weight made the car go faster.
As resto-mods go. This one seems near perfect for my tastes. Teutonic humorless seriousness.
Maybe it's not all that relevant; but I do recall that engaging the a/c in my black/black 951 would have a substantial effect on the engine and performance. The a/c was quite good but wreaked havoc on the relatively small displacement 4-cylinder.
I love black/black cars; but the maintenance is killer. I'd probably make an exception for this because a) it's gorgeous and b) it probably is a blast to drive.
People won lemans and mille
Miglia, rally des alps etc on points and horse hair padding …
If you want modern multidensity polyu foam, get an E30 M3
Mods for health reasons excepted, of course.
I'm with xkman on points. Every one of my classics has coil & points ignition and I find that I need to spend very little time "messin' with points". They're far more reliable than Pertronics and far less likely to leave you spark-less alongside the road (or, worse yet, in a traffic situation where you MUST HAVE power NOW). I have too many friends who've had sudden failure of Pertronics systems (to be fair, there are much better electronic ignition systems than Pertronics, which are really pretty fragile).
I'm also with others who've commented on the questionable application of POR 15. If I read the sellers ad correctly, the stuff was applied over clean metal, then another coating was applied over top of it. This is a combination doomed to early failure, since POR 15 doesn't adhere well to clean metal (I always sand-blast clean metal, before POR 15 application, to give the POR something to "bite" on). Nothing will adhere to cured POR 15 for very long, either. so the next owner will have some remedial work to do.
Still, there is nothing I've seen or read about the car (other than the price, which is outa my range) that would prevent me from buying and enjoying the car. True, I'd be making a BUNCH of changes, to get the poor car back to a more "pure" configuration, but it's still a pretty sweet car.
@xkman. Nothing wrong with points just an upgrade many folks do. I ve spent a lot of time on the side of the road in my 02, but never for my EI and it ran better for it. Just an example, stainless lines is another. why not? But sometimes you start with one of those changes and end up with a battery in the trunk and 15 inch wheels. It is a slippery slope. Wet cell battery? 6 volt 1600 ? Some upgrades just make sense, within reason. Original is great but reasonable mods make an 02 more livable.
Other than the wheels and the color (almost anything other than black, please), I agree with most of his choices. Great detail and nicely presented car. It you want a tii to drive, this looks like the one to get.
Except you're not getting that E9 for anywhere near the 2002's price.
What the f is wrong w points? I had multiple sets of Pertronics fail on me in the last two years. Had I been on a long tour I'd have been screwed as the install requires disassembly of the distributor. Not something easily done by the side of the road. Swapping points, however can be done in 15min with just a screwdriver. In have upgrades some cars to EI, but you don't have to be touched to use a vintage car that's restored without upgrades. It all depends on the experience you are after .
Great car w great mods.
More and more coats of POR15 don't make a good car better though. It it's stripped and dedicated, a good zine phosphate wash followed by a two part etching primer should be all that's needed to last forever. I did a 2002 this way in 1989 and it survived 5 slaty midwestern winters and another 20 years in a unheated, leaky out building. the fenders etc were still completely rust free when i tok them off a few years ago.
Heavy/repeated coats of POR15 make me think there was a lot to cover up or the restoration shop isn't really that knowledgeable about how to do it right. Maybe in picking nits but telling me it has not one, not two, but three coats of. Rust converter on it just raises the hair on the back of my neck (haven't gone bald back there yet).
Otherwise, sweet restrooms that I'd love to own myself. We're I not up to my pits in an E9 and a vintage race resto project …. I'd be on my way to see this car.
Thank you, Will Owen.
I was recently given the opportunity to share some acquired wisdom in the August issue of BIMMER magazine. Though not entirely about old BMW 2002s, I was able to cite a few "universal automotive principles" and render forth a "How-To", including photographs "suitable for framing."
There will be more. I've a number of BMW projects in the works – not to mention my film career.
@RD that would be tough call. That malaga E9 is sweet, but I don't like the seats! (hasn't even officially been posted here and I'm already nit picking!)
Maybe the owner is selling to get this one I posted before:
BMW : 2002 in BMW Motors
So close in style, but square lights and M power. Love the black on both and since the owner lives in Canada I doubt it is an issue to him. Like everyone else I don't like the wheels, not a real issue, if you are thinking or currently starting a restoration don't be a moron, buy this one. You are not a unique snowflake, save your money and marriage. I agree with others on music = bad in any car video. As to originality I've seen bone stock restored cars at shows, and they are awesome, but it is hard not to update these cars. Let's face it, you are a little touched if you are driving around sitting on horsehair seats and messin' with points. Also gotta agree with the 2 comments on the child seat. At the very least he should have a seat belt on and I don't think he does in the video. I love the car and I wanted to reserve judgement, but honestly we know better now.
"The video is nice, but the crappy music should go"
George Thorogood may be a lot of things but he will never ever be crappy, I almost hit the "Flag as not constructive " button….
Debbie downer here: how hard is it to put a kid in a booster seat in the back seat of the car? Does that entirely negate the fun? I had a hard time watching the vid, the kid is clearly too small to be in the front seat.
AM radio folk may object but CPS exists for a reason…..
@ Delia – Not you personally whining. Them, I meant …
@ Delia: I admire you more with each passing post. I've made fitful starts at two sort of similar projects: conversion kits to convert Alfa Berlinas' clap-hands wiper assemblies to parallel action (thus preventing the undue wear of the fiber driven gear on the upstroke), and a lower pan to adapt the stock 2002 air filter to the vastly more satisfactory Weber DGV. I ran out of both Berlinas and 2002s before I could get anywhere with either, but I'm delighted to see an enterprising person still plugging away. Good on yer.
It's been the better part of twenty years since we had a 2002 in the family, but I do recall that the side ventilation was all from the vent panes, very much unlike my Alfa which had none. So it's obvious that some major replumbing is called for. My recollection of the 2002 cabin blower is that it's a small rotary fan rotating in an Oilite bearing, very much exposed to the weather and (though perfectly visible) damned near impossible to get to. If I were to put a 2002 in service right now, so fettled that I might expect to drive it for twenty more years (supposing I'd last that long), I would demand a total re-plumbing of the ventilation system, and let's please pull that piece of Bosch crap the hell out of there and repipe the passageways to blow into the periphery, and originality be damned. Our motoring forefathers thought nothing of rebodying Rolls-Royces and Bugattiis, and you're whining about a dashboard?
@ Bud Osbourne:
That's "Frigiking" (Behr and Clardy).
And the lack of outboard vents is annoying, IMO.
As I mentioned I had a Clardy unit ('74 Amazonasgrun 2002). If you ran it full-on for long periods on a warm and humid day it would frost-up and cease cooling your elbow.
A/C in a 2002 calls for a duplicate fan to force air into the cockpit, leaving the heaterbox fan inoperable. This duplicity of purpose flies in the face of German engineering and efficiency. Added to the transmission tunnel mounted evaporator/blower unit, it unnecessarily takes up a lot of cabin space. The compressor, drier and condenser add a bunch of weight in all the wrong places.
I just re-animated one of these ancient A/C lumps for a customer and it still comes back to me with numerous problems.
On another project, the stock heaterbox has been eliminated in favor of a compact heating/cooling system from Vintage Air. It involves some cutting and fabrication, but I suspect this one isn't going to be nearly as bothersome.
The key is to find a way to send some cool air toward the side windows. The 2002 dash isn't particularly accommodating for such luxuries. I'm still working on that design problem.
Very nice. I agonized between the tii and the E3 Bavaria when I bought my Dream Car in 1972. Had it been the tii it would be worth triple what the Bavaria in the garage is presently worth. But no matter; it was the right choice for me.
Love everything about this except the Petri dish. Go stock or a Nardi.
By the by, I'm still aching over that sleeper heavily-modded turbo 5-series that went from Va to TX last Fall for about $18k. THAT was a steal. This is a sound investment in pleasure.
"But for that kind of money, I would still buy something like this"
Woulda, coulda, shoulda, didn't.
Join the club.
Re: the a/c or lack thereof. BMW offered dealer installed a/c on the 2002 (& Tii). Early units were Thermo-King and the later ones were Behr. My '72 2002A has the Thermo-King and my '72 Tii had the Behr (which I had my dealer install in 9/74). On the Tii, I don't recall any issues with the compressor soaking up a lot of power……that Tii pulled like a train, no matter what. On the 2002A, it's noticeable, but still livable, although I am planning to swap the original compressor for a Sanyo rotary unit. There is an outfit which makes mounting brackets to adapt the rotary compressor to the 2002. You can probably find them pretty quickly on the 2002FAQ website.
The a/c was really very adequate, on the highway, but the lack of outboard a/c outlets meant that the greenhouse effect could make them a bit warm, in stop & go, city driving. I'll find out next summer how the system works with R-134, instead of R-12.
@jboat49-"spousal temperament moons" is now stamped into my memory banks. Perfect!!
Nobody makes turn signals like the Italians. Bravo build.
I have always loved these cars and remember looking at them with envy and lust once I got my driver's license and these were brand new cars.
Other than the awful wheels and the fact that I like these in lighter paint colors, I really dig this resto job, call it "mod" or not.
Respect for a brilliant build. But for that kind of money, I would still buy something like this:
BMW : Other Sun Roof Coupe in BMW Motors
Although I'd buy a Euro E9 CSi (since the 3200CS and the 507 seem to be quite rare and slightly pricey).
@GaryB re: the snorkel.
I have 2 1972 2002 tii. Their VINs are about 800 apart. One has a snorkel and one doesn't. Neither has had the nose replaced. It's a myth that all tii cars were "snorkel delete".
@ Paul Lemon – Inka is THE color to have on a round tail light 02 IMHO. Had a '72 Tii in Inka / black, sunroof / no A/C…favorite car. Ran basketweaves for awhile but actually preferred look of the 13×5.5 320i steelies ran with 205 rubber.
@ Bud Obsburne – 276 would be the VIN prefix for a '73 Tii IIRC
And Ed L's clarification of fog light positioning is also exactly right. You can find many owners of recent Jaguar and big Audi sedans driving around with what seems to be an overly bright taillight. It's just the old "turn on the fog lights and leave them on all the time" problem.
@FMJ — correct and thanks for remembering. The only problem here is timing. The cash, garage space, and spousal temperament moons are not in optimum alignment right now. Lately it seems like I can only hit any two of the three on a particular car. Darn it. This could have been the one.
Delia's absolutely right about the fog light. If we're speaking about front fog lights, designed to cut through the fog and illuminate the road surface, they want to be mounted as low as feasible, to reduce back-scatter Hanging below the bumper is typically a good place to mount those kind of "fog lights". But the "fog light" here is a rear fog warning light, designed to alert following cars to the presence of a vehicle in front of them. Therefore higher is better, so the top of the bumper is an entirely practical mounting.
Beyond that, I'm just not going to wade into the nit-picking in this one.
@DW- I defer to you on the fog light. Most of the 911's that I have seen with them have them below the bumper.
So very nice! I admire the commitment, patience, resources, and craftsmanship that it takes to bring any old car to such a state of renewal. I hope that the next owner appreciates this car for what it is, takes care of it, and enjoys the ride.
I have owned 6 black/black cars and another with a black interior. Perhaps I am biased but I love this car and I believe that any differences re. comfort vs. lighter colors is primarily subjective…
I love the bumper mods, side marker deletion, 5-speed and the interior, especially the rear seats!!
The rear disc brakes may be over kill but probably drove the (forced) wheel choice…
@Richard- black/black 2002 is rare. Black/black '71 "Bavaria" with steel wheels is a European car with transplanted model tags!
@tokamok- nice observation…
@Jboat49-I thought that you have been trolling for a tii??
@Delia again – I was not comparing the cooling efficacy of older A/C systems with the Subaru's. I was comparing the load those older compressors put onto the engine vs. the current kind. I've driven a '70s Alfa with the York compressor A/C unit, and when that engages the usable hp seems to go from 130 to about 80, which is why so many folks have switched to Sanyos by now.
@Delia Wolfe – I was forgetting that poor underperforming (but prone to failure and impossible to get to) cabin blower. As a heater fan it was okay, but for ventilation not so much. So a decent A/C system would also want its own fan as well …
However, opening the front vents and popping open the back windows gave good ventilation, as long as we were moving, and very little leakage problem in any rain short of a real frog-strangler. (I never really appreciated those swing-out windows until I got caught in one of those sudden storms in my '60 Falcon with all the windows down!) As for climate, I will match Tennessee against Michigan heat for heat, damp for damp and bug for bug.
Temperature aside, the best part about a black car is knowing there was a lot of time and effort expended on making that body perfect. If it wasn't done right, you'll see it easily. This appears, at least from the pics, to be done right.
Seems there are some conflicting interior door panel pic's. In the main BaT teaser it shows some non stock panels without the chrome bits, but in the Smugmug shots they appear to be correct for the year.
Not liking the wheels at all. They turn an otherwise excellent car into something vulgar. Memo to the owner: gold is rarely a successful color choice for wheels..
I mostly like the choices, except for the wheels (!?) and the HID lights. While well-integrated, that seems like over-kill to me. Great color and I love the sunroof. I might have deleted the bumperettes; but they do provide protection. I'd also want to go with a retro Becker Mexico radio.
Numbersix, why'd you rag out those who suggest changes and then suggest changes yourself?
I've already nailed my flag to the mast in desiring a/c whenever possible in a car; but with the front vent-windows and the opening quarter-light, this is a car I could live without a/c (maybe). Vent windows are a 'technology' that should be ripe for a come-back.
@ tokamak:
Rear fog is correctly located.
In the Bavarian Alps back in 1974, I saw lots of rear fogs mounted on the bumper topside. Apparently these were mandated for inclement mountain weather. Would likely get covered in snow, slush, mud and obscure its visibility if it were under the bumper.
The optional factory fog lamp depicted in the sales literature and McCarthy's Restoration guide also show the rear fog mounted above the bumper.
"Who puts three coats of POR15 on anything?…"
@ Will Owen:
Summer in Michigan with its high humidity and high insect populations were never kind to me in any of my half-dozen 2002s – all with vinyl interiors. The Amazonasgrun car with Clardy A/C could freeze your elbow and compromise the "ultimate" in "Ultimate Driving machine. It was older technology, granted, but the Germans were less skilled in the art of climate control than the Americans. New Subarus are not a worthy comparison.
And if you open the sunroof, rear quarterlight windows and front window vents it will help considerably – except during those frequent summer rainstorms.
I prefer and still miss my Chamonix 2002. The darker colors I've owned (Malaga, Inka, Amazonasgrun) were a challenge to my non-air-conditioned sensibilities.
Pick the nits and call it what you want to, this car is perfection in my eye. Would not change a thing.
@Delia Wolfe – you are mostly right. Both the 2002s we ran in Tennessee were as comfortable as a non-A/C car can be, with excellent through-drafts with front quarter-panes and rear windows open, and not excessively loud either. However, they both had light-colored bodies, Sahara and a sort of Greek blue respectively. But a non-A/C black car in our SoCal climate is pretty ghastly on a 90º+ day; even if you do run with all the windows open, a few hours of that leaves this old bird feeling like he's run a marathon.
Given sufficient room for the components, though, a good up-to-date unit should compromise neither performance nor reliability unduly. The very good small rotary compressors now common have made those sudden drops in available horsepower a thing of the past; even our 12-year-old Subaru doesn't seem to notice when the pump kicks in at all, nor is there an appreciable drop in fuel economy.
Color palates change with the fashions though rare, black is indeed a 2002 color. It's stunning, I admit.
Black, charcoal and silver metallics are as common as belly-buttons these days…
From a practical standpoint, I can't imagine a black '02 with its oft-criticized ventilation system to be tolerable under any circumstances – particularly without a sunroof. It would benefit from A/C for comfort but not performance/reliability.
So even if your black 2002 looks cool, it's not going to actually *be* cool.
Who puts three coats of POR15 on anything? Seems excessive to me.
Inka is my favourite 02 colour, and silver painted "basket weaves" would be my rim choice, but boy is this a pretty car. Hat's off to the builder. Hope he suffers no seller remorse,( and his son doesn't ball his eyes out!)
Complements to the owner, the car is simultaneously outstanding and understated; which to me is the bullseye.
Will, I hear you, apparently BaT doesn't even have an edit function for its writers!
Agree on the black, I've had a few but will never have another unless…
C'mom you 2020 lovers, this is a no-brainer.
Re: johntennyson question "was black ever an originally available stock color?"…….I don't recall for certain, but I don't EVER remember seeing a black 1602 or 2002 "back in the day" and I used to hang-out a lot at our local BMW dealer, when I was home from my merchant mariner job.
BTW, in '72, BMW began offering optional, metallic colors on the 02 line. These were actually a base coat-clear coat lacquer and were quite striking in dark green (Tundra) or the darker blue (can't recall the name, but my Tii was that color and my 2002A is Tundra).
And I agree with one of the other posters who feels that black is too "heavy" a color for such a "light and playful" car…..but then, I dislike black on ANY car that I would own (but it can sure look nice on a car that someone else has to keep clean! :))
One of the other posters mentioned the subject Tii having a "snorkel" in the front valence/grill panel, which it should not have. I didn't look at the ad for the car, but the car's vin number will tell us whether or not it is an original Tii (but I can't recall the number prefix for Tii).
@Toffee – The E36 was the first to go to a rear multi-link suspension design. The E30 had rear trailing arms, and this setup was carried through into the Z3 as well.
So it's had its "history erased," so what? As long as everything has been documented, the history is there, but the important thing is that the car is this man's notion of the Perfect BMW, and not too damned far from mine. The black looks gorgeous, but I can tell you that black cars are no fun in SoCal (I've got two, which I could bake bread in), so that's not on my PB list, and I'm not nuts about the wheels either. And having had two '02s in succession, one with sunroof and one not, I can tell you that there is a detectable difference in steering response – agility – and structural rigidity between the two, though not enough to make me reject a sunroof car out of hand.
On a different topic, and as long as we're concerned about history here: could Mr. BaT somehow be made to understand that the cargo space at the rear of the car is a TRUNK, not a "truck"? Yes, they are both devices for the hauling of stuff, whether in the form of a vehicle or a hand-cart, but the car's trunk was originally a separate piece of luggage carried on the rear rack, and was later incorporated into the body under the same name.
This is the price you are rqeuired to pay for a restored car of this type, from this era, plain and simple.
If you want of these 'classics' you either go the low cost basket case/high cost restoration route or you take advantage of someone else's work.
Easy equation for me.
I seem to recall this car before the sale and subsequent restoration at the Bay Area '02 Event in Palo Alto.
It has certainly come a long way from 2006.
Given the quality of build and the lessons learned since then, there's little to quibble about. The details and personal touches are subjective. So it's not a restoration in the true sense of the word. In my experience it's hard to leave any 2002 alone during a full blown rebuild.
Price seems fair and the documented rebuild shows the amount of thoughtful care and dedication it took to bring this one back from the edge.
Aha! No rear subframe mount stiffeners. There IS room for improvement!
Stunning car– was black ever an originally available stock color?
When did Bimmer switched from semi trailing arm IRS to multilink?
My experience with these. I had a 68 1600 with a 2000 cs motor. wore that out and found a tii motor to put in it. Rusted out so I had a 71 2002 with a 10 cr 300 cam, ti header, dual 45 webers. Both ran about the same tii got a little better gas mileage. My thoughts on this car its "upgrades" are mostly good ones. the stock seats suck. the 13 inch wheels need upsizing to 14 or 15 with 50, 60 aspect ratio makes them perform much better. The 5 speed is a very worthwhile upgrade. The wheels should be replaced. I had cosmics and then e 30 14s. I'd like to have another 02 except they've just gotten more expensive than they are worth IMHO. The big problem is that on a still warm night you can hear them rusting away, You can get a very nice e 30 m3 for this price or less. That's what I did and I'm not looking back. But I'd like this car with an s 14. If they haven't all rusted away a 1600 (lighter lower gear) with a tii motor would be close second. best Henry
Where to start?… This is unquestionably a very fine build, and as the new owner of a 73 tii, I hope he gets every penny of the asking price. I'm not an extreme purist by any means, but something is lost when an 02 is modded like this. I realize that the 02 community is much more forgiving when it comes to customizing these collectible classics than other marques, but I think some of what makes an 02 an 02 is diluted when you retrofit with newer seats, the 5 speed (although I know this was an option when new), modern stereo, sway bars, hot rodded motor, garish red lighted gauges, etc. Also, as with any total restoration, the connection with the original car gets lost. The smells, suspension sounds, feel of the older seats, the basic gauge package, the minor cracks on the dash, etc. all serve to connect the current owner to the history of the car. I know this may sound silly, but part of what makes old cars cool is that connection to their history and the roads they've previously traveled. This 02 is a new car. A very nice new car to be sure, but new nonetheless. The history has been erased.
My 73tii is not near as nice as this car. It has a few minor paint chips and it still retains it's original engine and trans (numbers matching to the body and steering wheel tag). The front bumper has a small dent and a few scratches and the dash has a few cracks. None of this takes away from the driving experience, which is amazing when you consider what was available for the same money in 1973. I drove it 1250 miles after I bought it for a little more than half the asking price of this car. No squeaks, no rattles, just a spirited, rock solid ride. It was painted 12 years ago and still looks very, very nice. The seats are original, recovered at some point in the factory vinyl and the 4 speed trans shifts perfectly and quietly. Though technically not all "original", it still retains it's basic 02ness that established these cars as superlative driver's cars in the US.
For the record these cars look good in almost every color but black. Black seems too heavy for what is a light and playful car.
Probably a wonderful car, but why make a video that masks the sound of the car? To me, these are the most telling pieces of documentation about a car.
My son did have a child's seat (I do like him quite a lot). My late father drove me around in the'70's in all kinds of interesting German cars, and I've passed it on. He is so happy it doesn't have airbags so he can ride up front!
Gary-yes the snorkel is there for all to see, so it had a nose job somewhere along the way. These were DD's in the day, so not unheard of to see a replacement nose.
This car, while stunning, is let down significantly by the presence of a snorkel in the nose panel. No tii ever came from the factory with a snorkel so minimally it's not the original nose panel.
Love it.
Anybody who says, "Nice but I'd change . . ." build your own and do so.
I'd take it with the silver BBS's, wrap the nose in ClearBra, and drive it on sunny days.
With all due respect, your rant against the "baby obsessed safety freaks in USofA" is really misinformed. Much as we may hate many of these regs and "assaults on our freedoms," the thought of putting your kid (or yourself) in the front seat of a quick, sporty car, at speed, on public roads, without this protection, is a bit nuts.
While they may not spontaneously combust, kids have been known to spontaneously have their heads torn off by shattering windshields, and their internal organs ripped apart by dashboards and glove boxes. If you saw the numbers, and the pictures, you'd lose your lunch.
You wouldn't (couldn't) drive your vintage car in any sanctioned race without far more protection than a belt offers; why subject yourself, and especially your kid, to the far greater dangers of public roads, two-way traffic, and sleepy, distracted, or drunk drivers?
OK. MY rant is over!
The interior is perfect but a 30G's+ car has to have A/C for the babes……………………………………..
I'm a BMW nut who has never quite understood the mystique around the '02, but I get this one in a big way. I'd repaint the wheel centers then drive it like I stole it. Bravo and good luck to both seller and buyer.
I'm glad it's not restored to stock. I cringe every time I see those goofy US spec side markers on any redone '02 or GTV. The front markers on the early Bimmers are particularly egregious and getting rid of them is a big plus. Not a cheap fix on an already painted car.
I just sold a car and have set my sights on buying a 2002 or GTV.
This one is very tempting but my first choice would be one restored to stock.
I may change my mind on that but you have to start somewhere.
Agree though, this is a very nice car and priced fairly, it will sell.
Awesome, much better than new, but I hope it does not become a trailer queen. My only quibble is the addition of the 3rd brake light. Glad no one made the comment 'could not build it for that price.' Is that ever not the case on a 'done' car?
Having seen and traveled with the car and it's owner, who is also a cool guy, this is indeed an impressive car in person. Oh yes, he takes it out on trips, too, despite it's pretty face. The wheels might not be to everybody's liking, but those are easily changed. And it's black, which is rarer than rare on a tii.
Bets on how long this lasts? I bet it's gone even as I write this.
Probably won't last the day. For what it is, the car is priced perfectly (resto mod and non matching block)
Having driven a '72 Tii for 50,000 + miles, from new and owned 2 other '02s, from new (still have one), I gotta say I really like (but not love) the featured car. Although I like most of what he's done with it, the fat tires and bling-special wheels would become immediately unemployed, if I bought it. They'd get replaced with the optional alloy wheels, which BMW offered on any 02 of that era (and which are now commonly and incorrectly referred to as "Tii alloys"), along with standard size tires so that I could relax when driving in wet weather and parallel park w/o risking a hernia. Also not impressed with the steering wheel. BMW offered an optional, leather-covered "sport" wheel (had it on my '71 02, then had it transferred to the Tii when I took delivery) which is just right and looks like it belongs there, rather than blatantly after-market.
My point is that these cars were SO DAMN GOOD "as delivered" that it seems almost criminal to deprive oneself and future owners from feeling just how good these cars were "back in the day". They're still very delightful and highly practical touring cars, today. My '72 2002A still puts a big grin on my face every time I attack a mountain back-road with it.
Thanks for all the comments, positive and critical too. I am proud of the way it came together and love it, but I am deep in an M2 build (2002 body with e30 M3 motor) and it's time for my tii to get a new home. I believe that cars should be driven, and it won't get as much seat time once the new car is done.
@jk No matter how you slice it, the seller isn't making much on this sale. For starters, the black paint job is immaculate and ripple free, with many hours of block sanding and rubbing down. In my neck of the woods, that would be a $8K – $10K paint job.
Nicest of nice. Love it. Yeah I'd change the wheels but that's hardly mentionable and just personal. Interior is sickly amazing. When I start my billion dollar car collection, this could very well be in the first 5 acquisitions.
Also love the anti-USA-PC trip w/ the boy w/ no car seat. Way to go.
The baby-obsessed safety-freaks in USofA of course will have you immediately seized and thrown in a dark pit for 6-10 if they catch you doing that. As everyone knows, taking a kid for a ride without a childseat means a 78% chance that he'll be fatally dismembered within the first 100 yards. Sometimes kids not in childseats have been known to spontaneously combust I am told.
Nice to see somebody with an ounce of common sense in their head vs. the ridiculous safety (and child-seat-industry-revenue driving) brainwashing. Sometimes you should just toss the kid in the front seat and go for a rip. And when you do, this is how you should do it.
Love the car – but am I the only one who wishes the video had the sound of the car and not the George Thorogood soundtrack…?
I like it!
And, yes, the price is more than fair.
Gorgeous, gorgeous tii. I wouldn't change a thing. GLTBS!
I am jealous I can't afford such loveliness any time soon. I'll take another interpretation… This is a message from my currently-dormant E24 inviting me to take a seat… I was surprised to see EXACTLY the seating arrangement which awaits in my CSi, I have 320iS buckets with CSi back seats also! "What's that, Shark? You want coco mats and a Petri wheel, too?"
Wow, very nice.
One nit…….. the rear foglamp should be under the bumper, the lower the better for practical reasons.
That's it!
Oh yeah, as others have said too, maybe the wheels. Gold is not my cuppa either.
@Blackcloud: italian turn signals means they're inoperable.
The father & son movie alone was worth the listing !
As for the listing itself, there we go – BaT caters to every pocket depth : in a same week we got a 4-5 K '02 and a 30K+ worth '02 etalon.
What's not to like ?
It's just that, at that price bracket, I value much more builds that are obsessed with originality and not resto-mods or similars. Not that I'd have something against shedding out 30K for such a beautifully and thoughtfully built '02 like this one, it's just that resto-mods need to be driven regularly IMHO, and this one might be a tad too OCD and a tad too garage-queendom inclined to be enjoyed like that.
On second thought, nothing a good insurance company can't take care of..
"Italian turn signals"? Weren't German ones available?
This is the one I'd want, except, as noted above, the wheels, which just don't look quite as perfect with the car as everything else. Super nice though
If I was single this would spend some time next to my Super Seven in the garage. Its located 15 miles from me. So classic!
Sadly, the wife would never understand. That car is just soooo nice
We're it pretty much ANY other color… It would be mine and one of my Porsches would be gone. Nice job.
Came to BAT and want to cry
I could not believe my eyes
Its new paint, it shines like glass
But I can't afford it 'cause I got cash!
But I can look inside another world
Valet at the Sushi World
It's everything I dream about
Don't fall in love! It's a beauty
I'd look like a million Euros
Why can't I buy? Why can't I buy?
I could date anyone I'd like
And get me some paradise
She'd give me every pennies' worth
And it wouldn't cost me fifty dollars first!
I can look inside another world
Get respect in this snobby world
It's everything I dream about
Don't fall in love! It's a beauty
It shines like a big black pearl
Why can't I buy? Why can't I buy?
Step outside my K-Car
Don't fall in love! If you do you'll find out you can't afford your food
But you'll get all the pretty girls, get all the pretty girls
Oh why can't I buy? Why can't I buy?
Don't fall in love! If you do your wife just might kill you
She'll scare off the pretty girls, scare off the pretty girls
That's why can't I buy. Why can't I buy
Don't fall in love.
I cried when Ian sold his M20-swapped 2002. I guess I better get out the box of tissues again. This is another of my…favorite cars…in the 02 community…excuse me…
…just thinking, mini-lites may be to aggressive-looking on this car, but the wheels should be period-corrrect without being too gaudy and wide/strong enough to take advantage of modern rubber.
Bet Alpina clones would work and I have never seen a '02 with the E9 slotted alloys (wonder how that would look).
Nothing bigger than 15″ though, then it really looks like a resto-mod.
Beautifully done, but there are several things I'd change. Yes, I'm nit-picking here.
I'd have never started off with a sun-roof. I've had that feature and just never found pleasure in it.
The gold is too much for me. It's distracting and unneeded bling. The wheels would be better with black centers and the Cool It under hood reflector in aluminum. The black-wrinkle coat on the valve cover isn't correct, as JR points out, and it hides the beautiful expanse of cast metal. Why? I much prefer the natural metal appearance.
The car looks anemic with the stock style tail-pipe. It really needs a sport-type two pipe outlet with the valance cut-out properly blocked out.. No complaints about a stainless system, but it should make a visual statement, not just left to look like a plumber didn't finish the pipe.
Since the effort was made to R&R the whole of the dash, I'd find some way to shave the seat-belt light stand-up from it. I've always hated that detail. BMW really dropped the ball in the execution of that, IMHO. It just doesn't fit and looks like a tacked-on after thought.
I know BaT loves this Petri steering wheel, but not me. I find the contrasting spokes a distraction. They should be black. There are better wheels out there.
The video is nice, but the crappy music should go and the music of the engine should be clearly heard. As long as I'm airing pet-peeves, the yellow thing swinging on the mirror should be taken down every time the the car is driven. I presume that it's some sort of parking permit, but the mirror isn't a trinket display rack. A romance car like this doesn't need that bureaucratic intrusion.
The seats are great, especially the treatment of the rear bench. That 635 seat is one of the most inviting of all rear seats ever offered by any maker. Great touch.
This is a very nice car, don't get me wrong. I love tii's and know what a joy they are to drive. I'm sure I wouldn't stop grinning for several days after a run through the twisties in it. But just as there are very beautiful women whose personalities would drive me to drink, there are just too many details here which would make me pass this one by. I see much more potential in the execution than this one delivers, even as well-done as so many details here are.
That said, to the seller, GLWTS. I'm certain you feel sorrow in passing your sweetheart on. I'm know the buyer will be very pleased with what you've done. Don't take my comments too dearly. I just know what I like.
Very nice.
I agree w/ Jboat49, but like Irene, I'd nix the wheels in favor of something else. The ones on there aren't horrible and they were common on a few '02s of that era, but I'm just not that into gold.
Otherwise, very well executed and drivable. I like the tucked bumpers. I did that on my '73 E9. Hope he saved the OEM '73 brackets (those are impossible to find though).THis is one of the few '02s I've seen in Swartz, but I like it. I don't know if there is a single color from that period that I actually DON'T like, well, maybe Savannah Beige, but I still wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crackers if she were painted Savannah.
My comment on price has nothing to do with what I think it's worth or what the market will pay, but wow, the prices for these (formerly very attainable) classics have climbed over the years and while they are usually worth every penny, the '02s were produced in such large numbers this particular offering represents an expensive "toy" not something that will climb in value. I'd love to be able to buy this for $35k and drive it every day and not worry about preserving my investment. In many ways, this car would be more fun to own than a comparbly-priced E9.
Good luck with sale to the seller because he should be rewarded for a tasteful blend utility and preservation. Hope the new owner uses it as a DD or at least most days because this car looks like it was built to enjoy.
@jboat49….x's 2 except for the wheels.
Just when I thought I was over these little beasts along comes this Black Beauty and my LBC's in the garage are looking worried.
Coolest car I have seen on BaT in a while. I am generally an Original guy, but I'd make an exception for this car. It is so well done and looks absolutely spotless. Hard to understand why he would want to sell it. Running through my assets in my head to think if I could scrape up $35k
@ abnormale…
I'm not so sure…depending on what you bought the car for to begin with…$35K is probably about right +/-.
With a built M10, and a 5 speed and LSD from a late model car…as well as the front seats…it's not actually a restoration.
A resto-mod would be far more appropriate.
But honestly…that's quibbling.
This is a beautiful car…done to the tried and true '02 formula. All these mods have been done thousands of times before and we all know that's what works.
And as the owner of my own '72 tii project….I am absolutely loving this price.
@Pete…The kid might resent the sale of the car but never resent the great dad that exposed him at a young age to the joys of wind in hair motoring. Well done seller, on all counts! Amazing car, priced perfectly. Good luck with the sale!
Nice one! BAT note, wrinkle finish on valve cover is not correct on 2002s. Obviously a lot of personal touches on this one, just FYI on the description. Nice to see these climbing in value – does not seem that long ago that the absolute nicest examples were 10k (far less than it took to get them remotely this nice).
Definitely a beautiful car. However, after all that work, and tweaking, wouldn't it be nice to have a dynamometer printout?
If it were mine I would want one, unless I was afraid of what it would show – a typical fear of the human when confronted with his own dyno run – the stress test.
I would guess that the seller might be breaking even, or perhaps under water on the $35,000 asking price. Very nice car which would be hard to duplicate at the price.
Ooohhhhhhhh, so nicely done! Later in life the kid will resent the day his dad sold that car!
Wow, what a beauty! I wish that I was in the market for another 2002, because as jboat49 and Pinarella say, there's almost nothing that I'd change (except maybe the wheels, but that's nothing). The price is top dollar, worth it, in my opinion.
Looked at the price first and was about to get cynical until I read the ad and saw the quality of this build. Now I'd say this price is MORE than fair. A roundie tii with no excuses. If you must have originality, than maybe this one's not for you, and I guess we might all quibble with one or two aesthetic choices, but this one's been done right.
The $3000 e21 would be a better bet in my mind.
10x the money and you get many of the same parts and a lot less power.
However, as if it needs to be said, this is a beautifully done '02.
VERY nice! Looks like a very well done restoration. Wish I could buy it.
– Doug Miller
Kinda strange to look at a car and realize that there isn't one single thing you would change, adjust, tweak, replace or re-think. This is a real "That's how I'd have done it," for me. Handsome and sturdy, this is just what a tii is supposed to be (to my mind, anyhow). I like this very much, and someone is going to get one heck of a car. I don't know how he can part with it.
Wow, what a nice 2002, (well, almost a 2002) is this a resto mod??? seriously though, i love dad taking son for a politically wrong hoot in the car,just as i, and many oldies did back then. Some of those side road entries did look a bit of a worry ( see how the fun police get to us) I love it !!! Lethal.
Wow, what a nice 2002, (well, almost a 2002) is this a resto mod??? seriously though, i love dad taking son for a politically wrong hoot in the car,just as i, and many oldies did back then. Some of those side road entries did look a bit of a worry ( see how the fun police get to us) I love it !!! Lethal.
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Nearly. I think I would have him somewhere around 11-15. The one big problem is that he and his brother came along at a bad time for heavyweight boxing, really only hitting their stride after the last great heavyweight era had finished with Lewis' retirement. Who knows what they could have achieved against greater fighters. Sadly, we'll never know. Well, actually that's not true. We know that against the best fighter either ever faced, and the one truly great fighter, Vitali got TKO'd.
But I think Wlad is better than Vitali and surely has had a greater career overall and accomplished much more. Excellent fighter, but just doesn't have the resume to be up there with the true greats of the division. Last edited by BennyST; 11-01-2012 at 05:32 AM. |
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He is a good fighter, he's just in a terrible era and as a result the competition hasn't been there to make him an ATG.
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I have Wlad just inside the top ten.
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Not in the 10 but fairly close to it.
I do have an issue with people saying ridiculous things like he only beat bums but then in the very next sentence say that Tyson is in the top 10 or even 5 and act like thats an undeniable fact the hypocrisy is laughable. This is why Tyson is the most overrated fighter of all time people really bought into the media hype baddest man on the planet bull **** yet his best wins where against a 50 year old fat Larry Holmes and light heavyweight Micheal Spinx. Wlad has beaten better fighters and been much more consistent through his career but you dare suggest he ranks higher as an ATG people will act like you have gone insane. Just goes to show how easy it is for the media to bend the minds of the weak. |
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Right now things are just tough once again.
1. At work pressure is so high
2. the engineers supposed to work with me on projects need to be reminded constantly
3. My supervisor is so busy, he doesn't get around to helping me sort out issues
4. Projects are sprung on me left right and center as if they were emergencies and if I want to delay the actual start to allow for planning, they are presented to me as "hypersensitive projects" that need my "personal input", "only" have 5 major projects like that
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6. I have no time to check with the Embassy on some urgent papers I need to sort out my citizenship issues and can;t get through to them on the phone
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9. RA is flaring up once again and I have to reduce the amount of exercise I am doing
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Honestly i need a break. Oh, and then I have been send for some training. Will be 8 weeks every Saturday, no idea when I will study for this. And apparently I am supposed to still be up to date on all projects when I come back to work on Monday.....(that's what I was being shouted at for this morning).
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that would work in the western world, here I tried, that's the reason why I get shouted at.
The situation on MOnday morning 9am, was that I didn't have the full update on a project yet. I had told the team to keep me posted if somethign goes wrong. but hadn;t managed to get the update yet, but the Director (who isn;t even involved in the day to day running of things, but likes meddling...) was upset I didn't have the update. I told him I will get the update and let him know but to him that was not good enough.....
Let me finish my certificate then I start looking for a new job intensively.
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Hi everyone,
thanks so much for your kinds words. It is so wonderful to know there are people out there who care.
I think one of the things hitting me is that I work for a "typical" Kenyan company of the old school, with all those culture problems and people not owning what they do. While I have worked for several wonderful - very Western working Kenyan run Kenyan owned Companies in the past.
Today was a bit better, at least not Director shouting at me and kicking me out of the office.......
At least the GM HR & Operations I report to stands behind me. And we have developed some new strategies for the future. A new seniro Engineer is coming in in March to take charge of those engineers. Then the pressure will be a bit off me.
Let's hope for the best
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Steph --
what would happen if you just said no, occasionally? (like, to locking the office ... or by walking away from being yelled at ("if you can't talk to me civilly, i can't listen right now").
good luck.
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Oh Steph, that's just too much for one person. I know how hard you work and the moral code you come to work with. Trying to get everything done is just plain impossible under these circumstances. When will you rest and take care of yourself? And how can you, if you don't have a minute to spare to step back and regroup and make a good plan. I don't really know anything smart to say to help build you up, but just know that my heart is hurting for you and what you are going through. Let me know if there is anything I can do to cheer you up or make life easier for you!!!!
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Let's be patient with our bodies, OK? I really think that things will sort themselves out if we just continue doing what's right and stop stressing about it. The stress is really, really harmful.
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No wonder all your physical flare ups are happening with all those boatloads of stress in your life!
Whew! Sounds like you need to shoehorn in some time for you to step away for some self-pampering!
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I'm so sorry you are going through all this. Stress and sleep disruptions can really hinder your body's natural ability to keep weight in balance. On top of everything else!
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As far as your work is concerned, and I've been seeing your status updates for a while now, I'm thinking that a huge part are cultural differences and values. After all you're half a world away from your original world. This is not a European run company, I gather. I've had enough culture shock just here in the US (and I work for a German company), I can only imagine what you must be going through.
The feeling of needing a break - I know it well. When everywhere you look there just seems no way out! As other posters said, you need to take care of yourself. That's all you can do anyway. Everything else is pretty much out of your control.
The only way I know how to cope is by exercising and feeding my body well. Actually I'm a lot better at the exercise part than I am at the nutrition part.
Not quite to menopause yet, and truthfully, I can wait...
On the plus side, you seem to have a significant other, which is a great thing as far as companion ship goes. I don't even have that :(
Take a deep breath, take a step back, don't let these people bully you.
Hope you can find some peace and eventually a way out of this tricky situation.
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Thanks everyone, I treasure your support. Right now it is just too much.
Oh, and to crown a bad day, I was told at 3:30pm, that they guy who usually locks the office is not in and I have to lock ths office. Not "can you lock the office", but "you are locking the office".
My question to the guy who told me:
You knew since morning that the other chap is not on, why couldn't you tell me early. Well at least it looks like this will not be too much overtime, since no one of teh sale team has a tender they are working on, so maybe I will be out of here by 6pm, which is in 15 minutes.
Still delays my date...... Food is ready at home, so I wont have to cook.
Problem wiht my body is that, no matter what I do, I am piling on fat, all around the stomach, people have started suspecting again that I am pregnant. That adds insult to the injury, since it still hurst that I never was able to get pregnant......And I hate the way I look, especially since I worked so hard on exercise during the christmas break and did not eat treats or attend any parties (ok for other reasons), from my logging in food I see no problem area. aarrrggggh it is not fair......
Anyway, let me hope I can get home soon and try & relax.
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Your body is a superb one that is handling all of this the best way it can. Vent here, but don't hate your body.
I'm with you on the menopausal issues; it sucks, but remember that it will not last forever. Appreciate your body for everything it does so well for you.
Hang in there!
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Oh Steph, I am so sorry you are going through this stuff. I really have no words of advice but I want you to know that I care and have many {{{hugs}}} to offer. Come here any time and simply brain dump.
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Thankful for Spark and a place to put all of these feelings....
I agree - don't hate your body Steph! It sounds like it is (you are) one of the few beings you can rely on right now.
Your work environment and expectations do sound awful and it is definitely affecting your health. I wish I had some perfect advice for you so that you could change all these issues easily.
I know this.... You are important and as "selfish as it sounds" you are the MOST important person in your life. You are smart and, my guess, can handle the workload if it weren't for the "screaming" intimidation used by the directors and ineffectiveness of the engineers.
to you!
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Don't hate your body, it's the only one you have.....work hard because you love your body. :)
Take a break because you love your body
I find that yoga is good for both the mind and body
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Illustrated By: Creator Art Studio
Kingstone Comics / 2011 / PDF Download
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Format: PDF Download Vendor: Kingstone Comics Publication Date: 2011 | ISBN: 9781936164875 ISBN-13: 9781936164875 Availability: In Stock |
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Volume 2 of this best-selling Christian fantasy as Faithful joins Christian on his journey.
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stlouisIllinoisAge: 35-44Gender: male5 Stars Out Of 5May have even Exceeded My High ExpectationsJanuary 5, 2012stlouisIllinoisAge: 35-44Gender: maleQuality: 5Value: 5Meets Expectations: 5As a big fan of John Bunyan's "Pilgrim's Progress", I'm always excited to find new resources for it. Unfortunately, you never know what to expect when the classics are revamped with modern material. Fortunately, Creator Art Studio did a fantastic job with their illustrations of Bunyan's work.
While not necessarily for the purist theologian, I appreciated the updated use of more modern content in illustrating the classic story. I think it fits well into this generation without taking away from the original work, and brings a much needed lesson to those that may not have read it otherwise.
Good work!
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