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Porcupine Mountains Wilderness State Park
Porcupine Mountains Wilderness State Park is 15 miles west of Ontonagon in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. The Park's 60,000 acres are one of the few ...
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"Great for Fall Colors and Waterfalls"
Reviewed by dakota73
Visit Porcupine Mountain in the fall the colors are great. Usually the first week of October is best.
Sinkyone Wilderness State Park
The rugged wilderness that once characterized the entire Mendocino Coast can still be explored and enjoyed in the 7,367 acre Sinkyone Wilderness ...
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"Not your average camp site"
Reviewed by lucystools
You must see this site to believe it. The ride there is half the adventure.
Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness
Boating, hiking, and camping are the main attractions at Boundary Waters Canoe Area (BWCA), which encompasses more than one million acres. Voyageurs ...
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"Boundary Waters- awesome for hiking too!"
Reviewed by wackeddout
Beautiful place, and great for hiking
Hoover Wilderness
First established as a Primitive area in 1931, then a Wild area in 1957, Hoover Wilderness was one of the original members of the NWPS. Here is an ...
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"Pocket Himalayas with a smile on your face."
Reviewed by grassyknoll
CLASSIC SIERRAS with the peaks, the history, the wildflowers, and the room for much to discover!
Wilderness State Park
Wilderness State Park is a nature lover's paradise, offering 26 miles of Lake Michigan shoreline, 16 miles of hiking trails and nine rustic cabins, ...
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"Wilderness State Park"
Reviewed by pixtaker
This is a beautiful park with a couple loops, lakeview and interior. Sites are spaced nicely and little if any vegetation . . .
Saddle Peak Hills Wilderness
Smallest of the areas designated by the California Desert Protection Act of 1994, this Wilderness includes the northern end of the Saddle Peak Hills ...
Cheaha Wilderness
The southernmost peaks, ridges and streams of the Southern Appalachian Mountains, form the character of the Cheaha Wilderness. The area's name ...
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"Cheaha/Pinhoti Trail"
Reviewed by kayakndan
Cheaha has accessible features for the weekend traveler and the hardcore outdoor enthusiast. It is a fine destination for people of all ages.
Castle Crags Wilderness
Sheer granite cliffs, towering spires reaching up to 7,200 feet, and steep canyons hide five small alpine lakes in Castle Crags Wilderness. Indians ...
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Reviewed by grisaleen
Several years ago, I took a guided tour of the Castle Crags Wilderness trails. It was absolutely beautiful. At the beginning, . . .
Levi Jackson Wilderness Road State Park
Levi Jackson Wilderness Road State Park honors both the first judge in Laurel County, and the road that has been ter med by some to be the most ...
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"Yeah!!! I survived, and it didn't kill me after all!!!"
Reviewed by jnsbray
Total peace. A new calm in which I have never known. Complete beauty.
Jay B. Starkey Wilderness Park
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"Starkey Wilderness Park"
Reviewed by cherbicide
Huge quiet park with bike trail, nature trails where you will find animals of all sorts (turtles, deer, armadillos, birds), . . .
Jones Gap State Park
Trailside camping in one of South Carolina's most pristine wilderness areas in the Upcountry can be enjoyed at this 3,346-acre park. Located in the ...
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"This park is a hidden park"
Reviewed by erikgriffith
Good place to hike or just go see the trout hatchery
Caesars Head State Park
Caesars Head is an excellent park for nature enthusiasts and photographers. This park joins Jones Gap State Park and other natural areas to comprise ...
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"The only thing I can say is view,view,view"
Reviewed by erikgriffith
If you live in upstate South carolina,georgia or western North Carolina you need to go see this place.
Brighton State Park
The primary attraction of this general area is its wilderness: mountains with tree-covered slopes, fast running rivers and streams, and clear lakes. ...
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"A Wonderful Camping Experience"
Reviewed by morgaine713
Brighton State Park is beautiful. We'd definitely go again to enjoy the peace, views, swimming, fishing and boating. $20 a night was pennies given the splendid time we had.
Farny State Park
This forested wilderness connects watershed lands and is crossed by an old logging road. Streams, mixed oak-hardwood forest and swamps comprise the ...
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"Farny State Park - Wild Solitude"
Reviewed by frytz
Mostly untouched by the masses. A good place for solitude.
Beaver Creek State Park
Beaver Creek State Park, in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains, is one of Ohio's most scenic parks. The park includes Little Beaver Creek, a ...
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"Historical State Park"
Reviewed by femart
We have visited Beaver Creek a few times over the past couple of years. It offers an excellent history tour through the history . . .
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Research On China's FISH Probe (Fluorescent In Situ Hybridization Probe) Industry, 2013-2017
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According to Huidian's market research, the output value of China's FISH probe market in 2012 was about CNY 20 million to CNY 30 million; with the improvement of people's living standard and medical conditions in the future, FISH probe products will be more and more used in medical diagnosis.The main brands of China's FISH probe industry are GP, Abbott, LBP, Zhongsheng Damaidi, BioChina and Zhejiang Orient Gene. In 2012, the FISH probes of GP and Abbott occupied the monopoly position in domestic market, and the market share was about 51% and 32 % respectively, and the market share of LBP was about 13%. At present, the annual sales of China's clinical diagnostic reagent market has developed to CNY 3 billion to CNY 4 billion, of which, clinical biochemistry accounted for 30%, the immune products accounted for 25%, and the blood products and urine analysis products ranged from 8% to 10% and 3% to 5% respectively, the microbial products accounted for 2% to 3%. According to the estimate of experts, the annual growth rate of domestic clinical diagnostic market will reach 15% to 20% in the next five years. Huidian Research predicts that the growth rate of FISH probe market will be not lower than 15% in the future. Therefore, it is estimated that the output value in this market will be about CNY 32 million in 2013, and this number will reach CNY 56 million by 2017. 1. Overview of China's FISH Probe Products1.1 Product Overview1.1.1 Introduction 1.1.2 Classification 1.1.3 Advantages 1.2 FISH Technology and Similarities and Differences Compares With Other Technologies1.3 Application Areas 2. Development Environment of China's FISH Probe Industry 2.1 Economic Environment 2.1.1 Development of Macro-economy2.1.2 Income Growth 2.1.3 Investment in the Fixed Assets 2.1.4 Changes of RMB Exchange Rate2.2 Policy Environment 2.3 Social Environment 2.3.1 Population Size 2.3.2 Age Structure 2.3.3 Sex Structure 3. Development of Global FISH Probe Industry
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Testing displacement allows South students to marry theory and fun in a day of bowling.
They tried their hand at devising equations. They learned how to add in a different way. They looked at how mass and acceleration influence force. They dove into some history.
And then 110 freshmen from South High School in Minneapolis headed to Memory Lanes on Tuesday to put their newfound knowledge to use at the bowling alley.
"Bowling is like my favorite thing ever," said Aidan Denison, who said she gets the chance only once every several years but rolled a 105 in her first game. "I've been super excited for this field trip."
The unit on the physics of bowling was the idea of science teacher Melinda Bennett, born out of the displacement of high school classes for universal ACT testing of all district juniors. The need to segregate the tested students bounced the four sections of students from their normal rooms. In preparation, Bennett recalled the excitement from when she threw a surprise bowling birthday party for her son last summer, and how non-athletes tended to roll the best scores.
"I thought this would be so much fun to do with my students because there's so much physics involved," she said.
So with fellow ninth-grade teachers Michelle Ockman, Stephanie Woldum and Rob Panning-Miller, she devised four in-school stations on aspects of bowling and the afternoon field trip. Students devised an equation to predict the number of total pins if the triangular pattern of pins was expanded to 15 or even 50 rows. They learned that bowlers aim at 10 pins because Connecticut outlawed the British-derived lawn game of ninepins after authorities worried that 19th-century aristocrats gambled too freely on it. They learned the theory of how to bend a ball into the sweet spot for a strike, and how much the probability of a strike falls if the bowler misses the optimal six-degree angle.
And then they had fun. The screams were deafening when Geonette Doble started her second game with a strike. Asked for their first-game score, her compatriots proudly announced a 266 — with all four scores added together.
First toss a strike
Down the 30 lanes, Francisco Becerra notched a strike in his first bowling toss ever and hit a 101 for his first game despite a couple of gutter balls. By his second game, the lefthander was bowling on two different lanes.
The early champ was Gabby Moose, who hit 140 despite not bowling since the fall; that was later matched by Daniel Tondra and topped by Katy Harriss at 148. Bennett beamed. "It would be a miracle for me to to break 100," she said. Many students bowled far below that and a few even double-armed the ball between their legs.
Of course, fun took precedence over applying physics lessons, and that was fine with the teachers, who encourage team building. Woldum said it's a great way to bond with students, who take most of their core classes together this year and some of them next year. It also fits with how she approaches classes like intermediate algebra, where she mixes lessons on correlation with practical exercises in social justice by having students test for income-related patterns in census data.
Other students displaced Tuesday by testing at South undertook different activities. Seniors were encouraged to check out college campuses. Students in the liberal arts program watched the movie "Lincoln" to supplement their studies. But the open ninth-graders had the most fun.
Quick learner
One newbie, Sharif Attia, climbed the learning curve quickly. The first ball the Egyptian immigrant threw landed in the next lane. He hit four pins on his second toss, before his third landed 15 feet down the alley. Seven pins went down on his next throw. He rolled a 51 for the game, not the last in his group, and toppled even more pins his second time around.
"The more weight I throw, the more the things drop," he said, applying one of his physics lessons. The other was more elusive. "It never curves," he added. "I have no idea why."
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WASHINGTON, June 25, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following is a statement from Jeffrey Levi, PhD, executive director of the Trust for America's Health (TFAH) on the presidential memorandum issued today highlighting the Administration's new climate plan aimed at cutting carbon pollution.
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The changing climate has serious ramifications for our health, and we're encouraged to see this reflected in the plan. More extreme weather events, rising temperatures and worsening air quality mean we'll see an upswing in climate-related illnesses and injuries. This plan is an important step in the right direction to address climate change and to ramp up activities to protect people from the health harm it poses.We hope to see rapid action to free up pending regulations in the coming months. It's no exaggeration to say these are life-saving measures – and they are long overdue. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) should move rapidly to issue final carbon pollution standards for new power plants based on the proposed standards released in May 2012. The EPA should likewise move quickly to propose and finalize standards for existing power plants. As important next steps to help achieve the national goals of addressing the health impact of climate change, TFAH also recommends:
- Addressing climate-related health issues, illnesses and injuries should become a major priority for the National Prevention Council. All 17 participating Federal agencies should work together to develop strategies and policies to improve the health and well-being of Americans, and should develop a government-wide action plan that addresses the health-related consequences of climate change.
- Every state should have a comprehensive climate change adaption plan that includes a public health assessment and response. State and local health agencies should engage in public education campaigns and establish relationships with vulnerable populations as part of any plan. Only 15 states currently have completed comprehensive adaptation plans, according to a review by the Center for Climate and Energy Solutions.
- The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) environmental health and preparedness programs should prioritize supporting and ensuring states and localities understand the impact of climate change and apply this to long-range health planning. This program receives minimal resources and has experienced cuts recently.
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Anyone else still doing Primal/Paleo?
Hi I didn't see anything current for Primal or Paleo eating. Thought I'd post and see if anyone else is eating this way, so we can share info, menus, or recipes,etc?
Yep, still here.
This forum has never really had many interested in paleo and I think they go over to ***, etc.
Don't know why since it is the most active LC forum.
I eat Primal (and browse on ***) but that's mainly because while doing low carb, I gradually eliminated all grains, dairy, and sweeteners. The only 'switch' I made was to organic almond butter from my organic peanut butter.
But I tend to identify myself as simply 'low carb' because I don't necessarily eat this way because our 'ancestors' did--I eat this way because it's how I feel best.
I don't have any 'recipes' to share, since I focus on whole foods and cook very simply.
I don't buy into the whole evolution thing either, but we were sort of forced into eating this way when we found out one of our sons, who has had chronic health issues for a few years now, is sensitive to almost everything. We only eat whole, unprocessed foods, and have eliminated wheat,gluten,soy,eggs (I still enjoy eggs sometimes, but he can't) and dairy. I focus on whole foods too,but have found some great recipes to make it not-so-boring.
Every week I sit down and plan out our menu for the week, and then go shopping for it. We do so well during the week. Then sometimes on the weekend we go out to lunch after church, and I totally blow it. So, it's been really frustrating losing and gaining the same 5 pounds over and over again. This week I'm not going to do that :)
We are seeing major health benefits to eating this way. My son, who has been 100% on plan for 5 weeks now, since being diagnosed with all the food sensitivites, has had major improvement in digestion/gut function, and he has grown over 3/4" taller, now that his gut is healing and he's able to absorb the nutrients from his food. :) So, we have switched the whole family to this way of eating.
I'm here as well. I don't have recipes - as I tend to follow ones on everyday paleo. I have even gotten my hubby switched over.
I like her recipes too. I would like to buy her book :)
Vicki- Wow! I don't know if I could cope without eggs--having eliminated all sorts of other things. And fortunately, I only have to feed myself. It must be a real challenge to feed a family with this WOE.
It's great that this is helping your son so much. Isn't it amazing how 'healing' it can be to find the right WOE?
It is more important to have variety if you're feeding a family.
There are a number of sites; Tribe of Five is family oriented and, of course, if you follow links from any of those sites, you find tons of recipe ideas.
I eat pretty simply and go through phases.
I love curries and eat some type pretty regularly.
I bought some fresh pork hocks so just simmer and season then, yum.
Chicken drums have become a fav for carrying.
I also enjoy vegies and broccoli stalks make the best faux tater salad, IMHO.
I started making EVOO mayo and add a large glug of good mustard (I love Jack Daniels Old #7).
I use it or salad dressings, lettuce roll ups, etc.
I LOVE caveman custard from son of grok. I think it can be too sweet if your bananas are large so I stick w the small ones and it is just subtle.
Custards of any sort are a nice addition.
For families coconut flour muffins and such are a nice addition.
I could've lived on dairy and didn't realize how much better I could feel until I joined a challenge.
Now I wonder what I was thinking.
I'm eating paleo too, I wish there was a forum on here too. I posted it on the health section with no answer lol
I am not doing Paleo as a weight loss strategy but it is how I intend to eat at maintenance.....if I ever get there, lol. I know I will, I just have to be patient. But I love the idea of Paleo and actually make quite a few Paleo recipes already.
I never lost on paleo but felt great! I am doing hhcg which is very paleo. I do gluten DDR, dairy free, and the rare starch. Usually sweet potatoes.
I'm not on Paleo but I'm doing Eskimo which is very similar
high fat meat,egg,cheese, lots of fish til you reach goal weight
then roughage (LC) veggies for 2 weeks, the starch (carbs) but no more than 3x a week.
How have your cholesterol levels and bp been on paleo? Terry
I am Primal right now and working toward a more Paleo approach. I want to get past that 80 - 85 percent and get to what is considered 100% Paleo.
Taking baby steps, but it is working.........
I'm Paleo... currently reading "The Primal Blueprint"... it seems high carb for me. Anybody have success with that many carbs? I currently eat around 20g of carbs daily...doesn't seem to bother me, and I'm still losing very slowly. What is the difference between the two diets? Thanks!! :)
I read on the Primal Blueprint website, but I haven't read Mark's book, but I don't see any reason you need to eat at the higher carb level. I think Mark advises <50g carbs for weight loss, and a lot of posters on his website eat 20-30g.
Primal recommends types of foods, not particular carb levels. Some of the elite athletes eat 100-200g of carbs and some women (like me) eat 20g.
The differences between Primal and Paleo are mainly in what they recommend, and I'm not sure of all the differences. If you check online, I'm sure you can find out easily enough.
Keep in mind that neither is a 'diet plan.' They don't dictate what you should eat; it's more a matter of what you should avoid--e.g., grains. For example, Primal 'allows' fruit, but many of us never eat fruit for carb reasons.
you can eat fruit on primal or paleo..
Depending on what paleo plan you read for ex robb wolf isn't fat afraid (he promotes eating fat) and Loren Cordain is more low fatish and has more restrictions then robb wolf.. loren says no to nightshades eat lean meat etc.. Loren says diet soda and arifical sweetners are ok in moderation.. Robb Wolf says no go for artifical sweetners, and that if you can tolerate nuts and nightshades to eat them.
Primal eat dairy and seem to be alot more leaniant on the diet, like its ok to cheat 80% of the time (IMO this is what makes me more paleo then primal, I'm not really into the cheating thing, my cheats are like considered my vitimins that may have some stuff in them)
I also believe primal doesn't promote heavy lifting and such when it comes to exercise, slow and steady win the race (think strolling for 3 hrs Vs running on the track for half hour) and it seems alot of paleo are more into weight lifting..
I'm sure you meant eat clean primal 80% (at least).
So if you follow that rule; 3 meals daily x 7 days =21 meals. 20% would be fourish cheat meals weekly.
Many peop feel that 20% is the worst case scenerio and strive for better. But at least you don't have to shoot yourself if you cheat because it falls into the 20%.
Primal is less strict since dairy is allowed. I'm sure more peop can stick w it because of that.
I am a person who could live on dairy yet is was not difficult to give it up. Problem is there's no real replacement since I am sensitive to nuts/coconut.....
It just really takes more thought in the beginning. But most lc'ers can jump in pretty easily since there's minimal withdrawl.
But fruit is allowed to your meter. It is not meant to be forbidden and may be the perfect replacement for a sweet when the urge strkes...better than donuts, for sure.
I'm sure that some would disagree.....
The foods I eat throughout the week are as follows:
Egg Whites
Whey Protein
Green vegetables
Olive Oil
Side of Beef
how come you are not eating the whole egg?
There is the whole yuck factor with yolks. (I have done Stillman's and the Egg Protein/Fat Fast too many times to count.)
Honestly, I am not big into eating red meat and consume it once a week.
Right now, I feel better than I have in weeks. More energy, more strength and the gains I am making at the gym are phenomenal!:kicking:
We eat primal here. I am usually on *** but thought I would pop over here to see if I could find some food inspiration. I heard that there were some primal and paleo people hiding out here on this board :)
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Okay so I thew away the legumes, printed up the list of foods I can and cannot eat and to top it off had a Paleolithic dinner.
Ah. So good to 'meet' others eating like me! :) I'm following the Paleo diet, but I'm also not eating nuts per a suggestion by Misty (Fawn) as I wasn't losing for over 3 months. I am finding that since I've been eating this way...mainly getting rid of the AS's....I feel better and my cravings are down. I big thumbs up to this WOE!!! :)
I'd guess I'm about 85% primal/paleo.
I do have my coffee and tea with ez-sweetz (1pk sweet n low with coffee, 2-3 drops ez-sweetz per day with the tea IF I have sweetener added at all).
I may eat 1-2oz cheese a week total.
No grains at all.
I do use coconut flour occasionally(maybe 1-2x a week)
Occasionally salad dressings if not just vinegar and evoo.
Bacon maybe 1-2x a month.
Sausage less than 2x a month.
Dairy: 2T half and half in my coffee per day; greek yogurt maybe 3x a month (1/2 cup or less).
Occasional coconut milk or almond breeze with a protein shake(maybe 1 a week).
Olives probably 5-10 a week (not sure where they fall in the whole paleo thinking)
Otherwise it's lean meats and fresh or frozen veggies. Sometimes with butter, mostly with evoo. Lots of spices.
I think that coconut flour is OK on primal--at least on Mark Sisson's site a lot of people use it.
They eat bacon, too, but I saw someone questioning that recently. I don't eat bacon, but that's mainly because I prefer breakfast meat with more protein and usually have tenderloin tips or bison burgers with eggs.
Hey there!
Have any of you read Dr. Jack Kruse's blog? He promotes Paleo eating, but based on brain science, recommends eating 50-75g of proteing FOR BREAKFAST if you are leptin resistant. Thoughts?
Based on my needs, I get about 93g of protein per day and it is preferred I stretch it over the course of the day. Per my calculations, I eat 37.24g for breakfast. I know I am doing eating well.
I actually found that if you eat 4 eggs for breakfast, it is the equivalent of roughly 50g of protein. It was a lot, but I'm definitely NOT hungry for lunch! LOL! Maybe that's the point, though... hmmm.....
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Here's Levi Johnston, the kid who knocked up Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol just in time for her vice-presidential nomination, posing shirtless for GQ with baby Tripp. While the article was an interesting read, I don't know what to make of these photos except I'm pretty sure allowing your infant son to appear naked in a widely-circulated men's magazine probably won't ease the Palin's visitation restrictions. Then again, he did pose with a gun, so we'll call this one a wash.
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frist. the end is near.
Looks awfully Kennedy esque if you ask me. Are they grooming these two?
Looks awfully Kennedy esque if you ask me. Are they grooming these two?
why the fuck would they take full frontal nude pictures of the baby? Jesus Christ these people are fucking idiots.
Oh no, a naked baby *gasp*. Let me guess, someone will eventually contact child protection services.
if people are going to post the stupid "first" comment, at least spell it correctly!
Golly, from the bulge at his tummy, it appears that Levi just had a baby. hmmm
Exactly. Who are these idiots anyway? They probably spend hours refreshing their browsers to comment first. Nice life, losers!
@ 6: Maybe the #1 is sending a message to former Tennessee Senator Bill Frist.
@8, @9: how did you know ?
Why would you post this or think anyone gives a shit?
Slow day, huh?
I do suppose the ladies need some eye candy, too, every now and then.
He knocks out 3 amendments in one: Right to bear arms, right to be bare & the right to hunt bear. Awesome!
How sick. If I was bristol palin id beat the shit out of this douche…its kiddie porn. Sick.
How sick. If I was bristol palin id beat the shit out of this douche…its kiddie porn. Sick.
Well, he's not ugly
Strange how people who visit a website full of nipple and ass are freaked out by a baby's dick.
If this were a shitless mom with a naked baby this would be pornography!
Why is it OK to post a pic of a baby penis?
I wish it was the daddy with the full frontal pics…
What is with you fruitcakes in the lower 48, and your fascination with this fucking moron and his baby mama? Palin is a moron who won't be getting a second term as Governor here, so would you please get over her and anything related to her, so we can stop being embarrassed?
Do you retards really think Levi Johnson came up with the idea for the photo shoot? If anyone is the perv, it's the photographer. I'm surprised they're not both naked together.
(ever heard of paedophilia?)
This is a very angelic pic of a father and son, people who are bringing other than innocence into this should have their heads examine…
How is this KIDDIE PORN? Have you guys never seen a child's penis before? He's changing the baby's diaper for Christ's sakes. If some of YOU are uncomfortable by these pictures, maybe it's because YOU are the one with the sick mind. There is nothing sexual about this picture to consider it fucking kiddie porn. People like you are the reasons mothers can't even take pictures of their children playing in the bathtub anymore without being contacted by child protection services. GROW UP!!!
#15 and #18- Death by firing squad would be an appropriate punishment for posting such moronic comments.
A naked baby isnt kiddy porn you stupid fuck
I do have to wonder though, do the people calling this kiddie porn get all offended when your sister's or cousins 2 year old runs around the house without any clothes on? I have a 3 year old cousin that is constantly just stripping off her cothes because she doesnt know any better and she want to put a new outfit on. Should i call child protection services on my cousin?
haha it's like a pea. probably just like his daddys
Its a baby having its nappy (daiper to Americans) changed. How is that sick?
Awww! Isn't that cute?
This baby could become a real warrior! Does it eat enough raw meat and blood-soup?
I remember when i shot my first deer when i was 2 years old! When i was three i killed bare-handed my first Siberian tiger!
Jesus America!! What a bunch of idiots! It's just a naked baby, he was born naked and there's nothing sexual about it. You make it that way. Ugh.
@21 it would be completely natural for both of them to be naked together, you should teach your kids not to feel uncomfortable with the human body, is the most natural thing there is. Americans are so funny, they rate a movie PG17 because it shows a tit but a 13 year old can easily have access to tons of violence. Oh yeah.. that's the way to go… then u are outraged when a kid shoots his school mates, maybe he wouldn't do that if he wasn't sexually frustrated and had been able to see a boob!
@32 He killed one of the three left! Thanks,we're really proud on you!
LOL at the kiddie porn comments.
oooo yah. Thank God the supposed Europeans are in the thread to give the whole U.S. self righteous advice!!!!!!
What, do the same 15 people just comment over and over?
The whole First/Frist thing is just a stupid joke. it's just something to do when you see you've actually got the 1′st comment. It's meant to annoy the shit out of you.
Some people are into bestiality #22, does that mean you writhe every time you see a picture of a dog's ass?
It's a naked baby it's completely natural and there's nothing disgusting or horrifying about it. Those pictures aren't sexual, they are NOT pornographic, suggestive, or exploitative. Grow UP.
# 33, get off your fucking high horse and quit pretending there aren't murderers perverts and prudes where ever the fuck YOU live too. Way to fit into the whole Stereo-type spewing self-righteous Euro trash cliche, man.
If i were a teenager in Wasilla, i'd have fucked him too, dude's pretty sexy…. when his mouth is shut.
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@ #9, then I stand corrected :). ("First" comments are still stupid)
he'd be a redneck if the sun ever shone in fucking Alaska. What do they call them up there? Whitenecks?
HAHAA how is that kiddie porn? Did you pop up or something? It is a BABY and he is getting his diaper changed. Yes I suppose for the Christian right he could have put a cloth over the babies genitals but umm it is a BABY. Grow up and stop making everything dirty. Kids are not allowed to be kids and now babies can't be naked? What next a burqua?
Its not child porn. babies are naked all the time in situations like that and it doesnt make it porn just because its photographed.
fuck you americans are retarded
I'd let him impregnate me, too.
Rawr. ;)
Oh great, kiddie porn. I hope I don't get vanned because of this, Superfish.
Is the girl in the truck the one he's fucking this week?
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what assclown really thinks a naked baby is sexual? maybe you should get your head examined seeing as how you even think the word sexual about a baby penis. have you ever been in public?
He's pretty hot. For someone who is probably dumb as bricks.
If it had been Jenna Jameson in the pictures, she'd be sucking the baby's dick.
Too bad Bristol and Levi won't get back together. They make a such good looking couple, like her parents. But mostly it's a shame for little Tripp. God bless him.


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|Hi Folks and Happy New Year,
In the past I have posted several different layouts of my kitchen in hopes to hit upon one that worked and met as many of my goals as possible. After digesting many of the helpful comments and posted alternatives as possible from my most recent thread, and consulting again with my interior designer, I have arrived at a design that seems functional. I would like to hear back if this layout now works in your eyes. I am hoping we are at the tweak stage now and the layout is not in need of major overhauling.
At the bottom is a link to my previous thread for reference:
Here is the newest version that I would like feedback on.
Thanks ever so much in advance!
Here is a link that might be useful: previous thread
Follow-Up Postings:
|Sorry that I haven't been keeping up w/ your other thread - quick skim.
W/ this current layout, I just don't like cooking/frying while people walking past me.
Not sure if this was tossed out:
- put in a L at the Nub wall,
- put prep sink at the short L
- move cooktop to where pantry/fridge is
(can vent outside, cheaper than island venting)
- move fridge next to freezer
Why did you choose to put the 2 DWs next to each other?
With such wide layout, I would make all the base cabinets 30" deep.
I currently have counterdepth 32" all fridge and all freezer. For the reno, I designed my fridge space to fit a 36+" standard depth fridge, for when my all fridge dies. I don't want to be locked into getting another CDepth 32" fridge.
Note: kids do not stay young for long; you'll have your livingroom back soon and you won't need to have open access to the kids all the time.
just my thoughts,
- Posted by GreenDesigns (My Page) on Sun, Dec 30, 12 at 0:37
|The refrigerator is in a dangerous spot right in the middle of your prep zone. Great for prep. Horrible for when people walk through the zone where you have a sharp knife and a boiling pot of water ready to hurt them. It would be much better where you show the freezer. And since the frozen stuff has ore in common with the amount of access as a pantry, it would be a better fit to have the freezer next to the pantry.
I still find the secondary island useless with the table seating right there. But it does fill up a blank floor space. I'd much prefer a peninsula there though, with seating on the other side if you really want seating. That would also help with traffic through the danger zone. It would keep the traffic channeled to the main aisle, away from the hot and sharp zone.
|I would put the dishwashers on either side of the sink and not right next to each other.
Then I'd personally do almost anything to move the fridge away from being right behind the prep zone. I had that in my old kitchen and it was brutal with dh getting cream for his coffee, someone grabbing a snack, etc., whenever I was prepping and rushing a dinner. Drove me batty! I much prefer my current layout which moved the fridge to the periphery so that family and guests stay out of my cooking aisle.
Plus visually that counter run will look kind of chopped up with the oven stack, a short counter, the fridge, a short counter, and then the sink. Not sure there is a great fix with where you're starting from though.
Personally I would prefer the fridge at the eating end of that run, and I'd prefer one larger island centered in the space vs. the small island and pensinsula, so that traffic from the playroom/living room wasn't forced through the prep zone as well. And that would put the fridge closer to prep if the fridge was moved to the exterior.
How committed are you to the peninsula+island? I think you could have a more functional working kitchen if you had a single larger island with room to pass around the outsides instead of through the middle.
|I have to agree with most of the comments and I have some others:
I recommend some major reworking to make it all work.
It does mean closing up part of the "bottom" wall of the kitchen - but not completely and not the line-of-sight to the LR/Playroom. BTW...that room will probably be a playroom for only another 2 or 3 years, so don't plan your kitchen/house around it as a playroom. We did something similar in our DR. By the time our children hit their pre-teens (Tweens), it no longer was used much as a playroom and we reclaimed it as DR. (We eat all our meals there now.)
Seating on the cleanup side of the kitchen isn't necessarily ideal, but with a 5-foot aisle, I think it will work fine. The only time I foresee issues is if the DWs are open, people are sitting at the island on that side, and someone wants to walk by. If only one or two of these conditions are met, there won't be any problems; it's just when all three occur that you may have an issue.
Regarding the island counters...if you are dead set against a seam in the island, consider putting a butcher block counter on part of the island. It gives you two different surfaces to use as-needed and allows you to have a stone counter without a seam. If a seam isn't an issue, then the entire island could be stone (what I prefer, but others here really like their combination of part-stone/part-butcher block counters.)
|I think you need to be honest with yourself and admit that no cold prep/lunchmaking/snack making will happen at the small island. It is much too far away from the fridge to make lunches. I have 4 littles and I make school lunches daily so it would drive me batty to walk that far to prep them. The natural thing to do would turn around from the fridge and pantry to do prep. Of course this means you are prepping right next to the cooktop.
- Posted by OntarioMom (My Page) on Sun, Dec 30, 12 at 10:06
Thanks for your helpful thoughts! My DH (and to a lesser extent I) seem to want to keep both arteries open (the one into the living room, and the one from the 3 foot 1 inch hallway and foyer). BTW, I believe the one past the dumbwaiter from the small hallway and foyer will be the most traveled artery. This is why we have not gone for an L shape to block off the living room (playroom) or the other opening near foyer. I get your point about someone crossing behind me as I use the cook top though. However, of the two positions, outer wall and peninsula, I do prefer the peninsula as I avoid looking at a wall, and yes I do realize that the venting will be more costly over a peninsula than at an outside wall.
As per the dishwashers, the comments in the past were that I should keep the clean up zone well away from the prep zone. If the dishwashers were on either side of the cleanup sink, that puts one dishwasher rather close to the proposed prep space.
Very good thoughts about allowing for future growth of the fridge, and thinking about dish drawers in lower cabinets. We had planned to put some dishes in the upper cupboards in our proposed plan in addition to the dish hutch.
As per your clever idea for 30" base cabinets, does that include the sink cabinet? Does that alter the depth of the proposed upper cabinets?
Thanks again for your help. I will continue to digest your ideas. If often takes me a while to weigh pros and cons.
- Posted by OntarioMom (My Page) on Sun, Dec 30, 12 at 10:19
Thanks for your comments! That darn fridge. It has moved to so many different spots as I have repeatedly reworked this design over the past 2 years! I moved it near to the prep in light of comments received in my previous post. Before I had it very close to the dining room table. Having it near the dumb waiter as suggested at times, puts it far from the prep space and far from the dining room table. A compromise might be to put beverages, and a few snacks in a bar fridge closer to the dining room table (perhaps in the dining room closet)so family members have less of a need to come use the main kitchen fridge. If you had had a way to keep other family members out of your main prep fridge most of the time, would you have liked having the fridge close to your prep space in your old kitchen design?
BTW the run along the sink wall is from the right of the sink a lower and upper cabinet, and then three tall elements (fridge, pantry and ovens).
As per one big island, we would prefer to keep one island no larger than 10 feet, as I would feel rather trapped around an island any bigger (lots of walking to get to other side). We do have the length to have two islands or one peninsula and one island.
Thanks again for your help.
- Posted by OntarioMom (My Page) on Sun, Dec 30, 12 at 10:30
Thanks for your additional comments on my kitchen. I have struggled with the fridge location for sure. Where it is now, it is convenient to prep, but less convenient to dining room table. Putting it near the dumb waiter (where I show freezer) puts it 23 feet from the dining room table (seat nearest china cabinet) and a hike from the prep space too. At least with the prep sink and cooktop together at the proposed peninsula I can't imagine hot water and knives crossing from fridge side to peninsula. However, I can see the problem with a hot turkey needing to cross from fridge side to peninsula.
- Posted by OntarioMom (My Page) on Sun, Dec 30, 12 at 10:55
Thank you for taking so much of your time to design an alternative for us to consider!! Your kindness on this forum is very evident. Your designs always look so attractive.
I can see your designed space working, save for the fact that the aisle past my originally proposed freezer and dumb waiter is a very major artery through the house. This aisle joins a bedroom hall with bath, the foyer, to the great room and dining room. Yes, people could use the passage from the living room, but it would be less direct. However, I need to study your version more closely to see what ideas I can incorporate.
You do make many good points that I need to solve. The oven landing space is not that convenient (i.e. across an aisle). Yes, the space I show for baking, was more for storage of less used baking cookware. I would imagine using the space between the sink and cook top for baking of most things. Perhaps we need to rethink the baking zone.
As per the corner rounded out on the proposed peninsula that was done in order to avoid closing in the nub wall more. My DH really wants to have the opening to the living room from the kitchen frame the picture window in the living room (this window offers a nice view too). I am unsure if we can increase the depth of the peninsula so it is wider than the nub wall. What do you think about this? I also like your idea, if we need an island or peninsula to be longer than 10 feet, to have a portion as butcher block.
Again, I really appreciate your assistance. I will be looking over your design for ideas I can take.
P.S. Below is a plan of the main level which shows the surrounding rooms. Please ignore the shading -- it related to an unused HVAC plan. It is not up to date as the two front rooms have been joined into one, and the foyer is larger now. Of course, the kitchen design is a work in progress.
- Posted by OntarioMom (My Page) on Sun, Dec 30, 12 at 10:59
Thanks for your input. Perhaps you are correct, that I will make the sandwiches on the peninsula not the seating island. I do think the seating island will serve as a spot for a second cook to prepare a salad, side dish etc out of the way of the other cook. It is hard to get a fridge close to everything in a large kitchen.
- Posted by GreenDesigns (My Page) on Sun, Dec 30, 12 at 11:27
|Putting cleanup on the island, and keeping traffic out of the prep zone. The addition of an undercounter refrigerator with MW above that is convenient to the dining table and the great room will help to keep snackers out of your hot zone as well. Yet the main fridge is accessible to those who need it.
- Posted by williamsem (My Page) on Sun, Dec 30, 12 at 11:41
|What about keeping the kids at the playroom end of things? It would be pretty easy, and they wouldn't have to walk through your cooking zone to get to the designated seating area from the playroom if they want a snack, or just want to keep mommy from being lonely.
Move the oven stack to the other side of the fridge, slide the fridge and pantry down to the wall. Flip the two islands. The seating area can be a peninsula the width of the small wall, and will be right across from the fridge and pantry to serve as the snack and lunch prep space you envisioned. Might want to consider getting the MW closer, either next to the sink, or in the peninsula, or in the island at the close end. The aisle will be a little wide, but there is likely little prep in this area aside from snacks so it will probably be fine.
Then side the large island up. You can move it closer to the wall run to make the aisle workable. Might want to flip the functions so the cooktop is closer to the dining room, but it's hard for me to tell as we are testing the limits of my visualization skills! I would still separate the DWs as suggested above, unless you think you will spend a lot of time prepping in front of that location. Then it might make sense to leave it.
|I'm liking buehl's plan the best as it seems a good compromise between function and still giving you the cooktop on the island that you want. And it solves all the problems of crossing prep zones and makes it a great space to work in and to entertain in, with the seating around the island on two sides.
I would close up the pass thru, maybe putting the dumb waiter there if practical. Then you can put something prettier (glass cab?) behind the cooking area for the people who are seated at the island to look at.
I think this layout really does solve a lot of your concerns. You say you don't want to cook facing a wall. But in your prior plan you'd be cooking facing an audio/visual cabinet, whereas in this plan you face people seated at the island and have a view out the window too.
You also say you don't want an island over 10 feet because it's too far to walk around. But this island really has you cooking and prepping to the one side of it, and the walking to the fridge and freezer at periphery is actually less walking to freezer and baking area than in your original plan. And it doesn't have the congestion of snackers and fridge-goers being in your way
Re the artery through the house, it's the artery because it's currently convenient for it to be so. I buehl's plan the artery will be the one between island and main sink ... so it moves about 5 feet away, and into a better spot if you ask me (not the straight shot up the entry stairs were people are suddenly 'arriving' into your kitchen).
I know it's radically different from where you started, but it has so many nicer layout features re. being able to interact with family and guests while you cook and prep, while keeping the zones separated and traffic patterns conducive to a multi-user large family kitchen, that I really think you should consider it strongly.
Good luck with your reno whatever you decide!
|One last thing:
- you need to go with what works best for your family.
You can only do so much with everyone's inputs, but in the end, you know what works best for your family.
But I LOVE my layout. It works for my husband, 2 growing kids, and I.
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|A compromise might be to put beverages, and a few snacks in a bar fridge closer to the dining room table (perhaps in the dining room closet)so family members have less of a need to come use the main kitchen fridge. If you had had a way to keep other family members out of your main prep fridge most of the time, would you have liked having the fridge close to your prep space in your old kitchen design?
Sorry Ontario Mom, I forgot to answer this question earlier. In my current kitchen, fridge is pretty closes to prep (about the same layout as is buehl's drawing) and I like that. In a previous home fridge was further from prep, and on the other side of the range. I didnt mind that.
But what I hated was in my last kitchen where fridge was right behind prep ... that was horrible with all the extra traffic that was always in my way when I was trying to rush a busy dinner. I would do anything to do avoid that, including a longer walk to refrigeration which I didn't personally find to be an overly big deal.
So I would much rather have a walk to the fridge if that were my only choice. I didn't mind gathering a bunch of things for prep at once, and I much preferred choosing my time to go to the fridge, than not being able to choose when others came into my space.
|I know a lot of these ideas were hashed out in the previous thread, so I'm only going to address the current plan you've shown. The AV storage wasn't in the last discussion, that I remember, and I know that can be important, but I'd put the fridge and pantry there. The thought of it all behind you as you cook makes me claustrophobic.
If you have counter and storage there, I think you could get away with the dishwashers flanking the sink.
You might also, then, be able to widen the island toward that back counter to make a more efficient workspace, and discourage traffic through that spot. Honestly, leaving that opening, inviting traffic past the stove, is asking for trouble. I would certainly NOT angle the corner of the counter to the left of the stove, because not only does it welcome flow (maybe of kids side-by-side), but hurried flow right at the corner of the hot stove. My aim, if I had to have traffic there, would be to make it slightly difficult, and a place where they'd have to slow down and be careful.
Under the assumption of moving the pantry and fridge to the left aisle, putting the fridge nearest the dumb waiter keeps it as close as possible to your prep area, and would also make it more likely the small island will be used for secondary and snack prep. From top to bottom, I'd do fridge, pantry, freezer.
- Posted by OntarioMom (My Page) on Sun, Dec 30, 12 at 17:27
|I very much appreciate all of the comments (and a shout out to the recent posts that I have not specifically replied to). It constantly amazes me how generous GW posters are with their time. Obviously, I am not as close to finishing as I had thought. I still like my latest version despite the comments voiced, and I went to bed last night thinking after two years of fiddling with this design we had finally arrived at a good solution. However, given no one who has posted thus far thinks the most recent layout I posted is worth pursuing, I will rethink the design again, and open the idea up again with my husband of some sort of L shape blocking either the living room or the dining room. I just can't get my head around blocking what was designed to be the main artery through the home (i.e. the aisle that passes the dumb waiter). However, I will float that idea off my interior designer just in case I am missing an ideal solution.
As per the fridge, putting it beside the dumb waiter would be a long way off the dining room table (23 feet from the chair near the china cabinet) and far from prep as well (assuming prep stays on the half of the kitchen near the kitchen window). I thought one of the guidelines for the work triangle was no leg of the triangle should be longer than 9 feet and no leg under 4 feet. To this untrained person, it looks like my posted design has a nice work triangle. I would bet I have posted at least 10 versions of my kitchen on GardenWeb over the years of planning with several different fridge locations. In all versions, the fridge location was seen as flawed as it was either too far from prep or too close. I am guessing fridge location is the hardest part of kitchen layout design.
I definitely agree with all who commented on the curved corner of the lower peninsula. I will try to play with this shape, assuming we stick with a lower peninsula as posted.
Thanks again.
|I wouldn't block the main path past the dumb waiter, but instead, the one past the stove, since it seems central to the house, and passing the dumbwaiter is not as problematic as kids streaming through the cooking area, where there are sharp knives, hot appliances, boiling water, etc... and a busy cook!
The fridge by the dumb waiter would be directly across the aisle from your prep sink, so not far from your work area... You just turn and plop things right by the prep sink, wash them, and then prep next to the stove. All in a flowing line, made fairly simple because of the path between the islands. It's sure not perfect, because of being around the island from the stove, so if you need to grab a splash of sauce or milk, it's not that quick. But part of the difficulty with fridge location is making it accessible to others in a place they won't get in your way. Keeping people out of the cook's primary work area is a big deal to me.
It doesn't seem that the dumbwaiter location makes it that much it further to the dining table than the fridge is in your plan. The angle is longer, but the position is closer to the dining room.
- Posted by OntarioMom (My Page) on Sun, Dec 30, 12 at 19:16
|Hi Rhome,
Thanks for your ideas. We will play with the idea of closing up the living room (but not block the view there). I am not sure how much traffic will flow from living room to kitchen, as I expect my three older sons will mostly be in the rec room downstairs, their bedrooms, or in front of the TV in the greatroom. The youngest (7 year old girl) is the one I thought would use the living room as a playroom for a while as she wants to be very near us still. I know that won't last long and we will then use the room more as a sitting room. There will not be a TV in the living room.
As per the fridge location here are the numbers:
If we place the fridge beside the dumb waiter, from dining room chair closest to china cabinet to fridge the distance is 26 feet and 4 inches. From main prep space between proposed cooktop and prep sink the distance will be 16 feet. It is worth noting, the fridge near the dumb waiter will place the fridge a bit closer to the seating island than having the fridge in the proposed location near clean-up sink.
If we have the fridge where I show it on the proposed plan, the distance will be 17 feet 9 inches to the same dining room chair closest to china cabinet. The distance from fridge to main prep space (between prep sink and cooktop) will be four and and a half feet.
I know in my thread before this one, there was a lot of concern that my distances (i.e. work triangle) and distance from prep to pantry were very large. I thought this newest plan addressed those concerns -- perhaps now the triangle is too small?
|It's not that the triangle is 'too small,' it's that others will want to access the pantry and fridge and open them into your back and work path, and otherwise be underfoot.
The reference to the living room as play room had me envisioning a family of small children...and/or families of guests with small children. But with the fridge as you show it in your plan, you invite traffic, whatever use of the room, past the stove to reach the fridge and other locations. It seems like one entrance through the kitchen, as a path to the other rooms, would be enough, especially if it makes a more efficient kitchen and safer pathway...especially with that other doorway only about 4 ft away, so it doesn't really add inconvenience. As I said, since the other entrance is from the entry, and is more central, I'd keep it open past the dumb waiter, and form your kitchen over the living room doorway instead, leaving that main path as clear as possible.
- Posted by OntarioMom (My Page) on Mon, Dec 31, 12 at 10:34
|Rhome and others,
Thanks for your updates. I am going to work on a plan that involves wrapping the kitchen around the opening to the small living room. We will keep the view open (so no tall features along this opening). I am not worried about the pantry being diagonally behind me, as I will keep all snack foods, cereals, crackers, etc in the closet in the every day dining room. The kids will rarely need something from the kitchen pantry unless they are cooking themselves some food (in which case they will need to be very much in the kitchen). We also plan a beverage bar fridge in the dining room closet and perhaps we could route a few cold snacks there as well, so the activity at the main fridge is reduced.
I do worry if we block off the entrance to the living room it will be a less used room. Just those few extra steps through the other doorway and around the corner could make a difference. My plan had been to have a desk top computer, phone, message centre etc in this living room. Also, I was hoping the youngest would have her toys stored here and would stay in the living room to play with them. I had also planned that this would be a spot for her to do some crafts.
Anyway back to the drawing board for me. Thanks for all your help.
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Ohio gov: Welfare drug testing could be beneficial
Ohio Gov. John Kasich says creating a pilot program to tie welfare benefits to clean drug tests would help protect tax dollars and provide help for people who are poor and using drugs.
The Columbus Dispatch reports the Republican says such a program could be an opportunity for advocates for the poor to help tackle drug abuse.
Critics have suggested the program would be an attack on the poor, but Kasich says he doesn't see it that way.
GOP state lawmakers had added the contentious pilot program to a wide-ranging midterm budget bill being considered by the Legislature, but the provision was removed this week before the legislation cleared the Senate.
The welfare drug-testing provision is expected to be taken up in a separate bill later.
All employers require you to be clean so the ones who get free money should be tested also.
I'm wondering how long it will take for the bleeding heart liberals get on here and say that it isn't fair. I say let the testing begin, and if they fail, they can NO longer get welfare.benefits or any other Gov't free money
Lets start by testing our elected officials from the Governor on down to cities and townships, because they are not tested at this time. It might be a good idea to also test the state and central committee members for all political parties as well.
Of course the Gov doesn't see it as an attack. He's got dollar signs in his eyes. He owns the drug testing company. Roll in the money at the expense of poor people.
I agree with Howard. Let's drug test the Gov first. Let's see what kind of prescription drugs he is taking and for what. Let's see what's in his pipe at night.
Drug testing for public assistance is a way to bleed people who are already short on money.
The oil companies receive billions in welfare in the form of tax credits. All employees of those companies should be tested and if one employee fails. those tax credits should be removed.
I say let the government test people. Does anyone know how many people sell their foodstamps for drugs and such and their children are starving. If you have enough money to spend on drugs then why aren't you spending it to better the lives of your children! The only sad thing about the whole thing is the people who are truly suffering are the children because the mistakes their parents make.The goverment should be worrying about sterrilizing deadbeat parents! Then they can try to reduce the people in the cycle. Read 'Bridges out of proverty' it changes peoples views on how they look at people.
They need to test them for how they can buy a $40k car on welfare
Why single out the oil companies? The same tax credits the oil co's get are the same any company can get that deal in foreign countries! This worked for Barry Soetoro when he ran his 2008 campaign against GWB, but it rings hollow now that he has had 3 1/2 years and gas is still over $3.50 per gallon.
Drug testing welfare recipients is a step in the right direction.
If I have to be drug tested to come to work and slave my butt off for 40 hours a week, struggle to pay my bills, and go to the grocery store and try to feed my family on $200 a month, then the welfare recipient in front of me in line at Walmart (wearing way better clothing that me, hair and nails done) buying $357 worth of groceries at one time should definitely be drug tested.
Hand out vegetable seeds instead of food cards, oh and a shovel.
Yea! Test em all!! It worked WONDERS for Florida...
Oh, and, that drug test you take for work is so you don't screw up stockholders money while doing your job...
I knew there existed workers, makers and remnants of the steel-mill-worker mentality. For awhile, I saw on this rag was the vast entitled that spread throughout Youngstown.
After you test 'em, hand them over to me with all your entitled leaders and watch me make 'em sweat for their foodcard, heat, housing, Onbama phone, medical, another foodbank...............they're fat and we need to sweat it out of 'em.