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Would you be expecting me to lose weight going to the gym 3 x per week?(45 Posts)
Starting at the beginning of July (after falling off the wagon a bit in June) I have tightened up my regime, and now have three days per week which look a bit like this:
- Eat breakfast and lunch totalling 400-500 calories
- Go to gym and burn 600 calories (450-500 on a bad day)
- Have small snack (about 100 calories)
- Have light dinner (chicken & veg, salmon salad, etc)
This means at least 2 x per week my Net calories tot in at about 600 (always less than 1,000).
I've also kicked some seriously bad cheese-and-wine habits on the days when I'm not excessively counting and don't go to the gym.
Consequently I'm about to go into my third week of this routine and feeling much fitter and better, but in the first week I actually gained three pounds (which I'd somehow lost whilst being off the wagon, so the gain put me squarely back on Square One) and I haven't lost a sausage since then
Would you expect this sort of regime to pay off, or am I wasting my time?
Thanks Chieftains
what is your TDEE - which takes into account the gym time
just that chances are that you are still over your TDEE so will not lose weight.
What's your sugar/refined carb intake like? Some people struggle to lose if there's too much insulin floating around at regular intervals.
Also, the calorie counters at the gym aren't that accurate - they don't take in to account your BMR - so the calories you would have burnt if you'd just slept instead of going to the gym - I tend to minus about 80 calories off a gym workout to take this in to account.
Are you definitely being accurate with your calorie counting?
Depends what exercise you are doing - if you are doing exercise that will bulk you up it is unlikely that you will lose weight.
I don't know how to calculate that Talk - any ideas? I'm a desk-worker so it's a possibility.
mrs I'm using MFP, I generally x-ref against the back of the box so I think it's pretty accurate.
Madame just cardio - treadmill, crosstrainer, exercise bike, rowing machine.
Interesting about the machines being inaccurate, I'll bear that in mind!
Here you go ....
and yes, when I used to "allow" for the calories I was burning I put on weight
Thank you Talk
So, sorry - what do I do with these numbers? <thicko>
Have you tried using my fitness pal? It calculates everything for you.
If you are eating healthily & doing exercise then I say keep at it!
You will see the difference in your clothes & you will feel better too.
Have you tried the trx thingy in the gym? It is great, I got great results using it.
put your height, age, weight and exercise level in
the TDEE tells you how many calories you need to stay the same weight
so those of us doing 5:2 do 2 days of 500, 4 days of at or under our TDEE and 1 day of splurge
and it seems to work
But the TDEE said I should eat 1859 calories a day, and that's me on "Lightly Active"!
I am indeed mlktray but I've never used the TRX thing, I'll look into it!
I mean, my TDEE was 1859, if I understood you correctly that should be my maintenance calorie weight...
If your TDEE is 1859, staying within that (no allowance for exercise calories) should get you to lose weight.
And if you are not losing, chances are you are underestimating what you consume
the common errors are
- drinks - calories in tea and fruit juice etc
- crossing old WW points into calories and not realising that zero points foods are NOT zero calories
- portion control
- snacks - the 5:2 poster who wanted to believe a small pakora was around 100 calories, rather than the deep fried 300 it probably was!
Consider doing Fartlek or HIIT.
Only fatties use cardio machines.
What's Fartlek or HIIT?
I use the cardio machines and I am not fat. Nor are the majority of gym users on cardio when I go in
Yes if you do a mini circuits on the trx it's great.
You need 3 or 4 different exercises.
Repeat 3 times as perfectly & quickly as possible. Superb stomach coming your way!
Ask the gym staff to show you some trx exercises.
I like it because its difficult to injure yourself- unlike kettle bells/ machine weights.
Those numbers for calories burnt sound very high.
No. The gym won't make you lose weight. Eating less/better will help you lose weight.
Give it time. The body stores energy in the muscles and liver and when you exercise, these are depleted. Most people store around 500 - 600 accessible calories in this way. As fat is quite hard to break down, your body will replenish its energy from the next meal that you eat. If you eat less than you burn through daily maintenance and exercise, then your body will start to deplete your fat reserves to make up the difference. This does not happen quickly, and will depend to a large extent on your metabolism, which also takes a while to properly adjust to your exercise regime.
That is not to say that is is not possible to burn fat solely through exercise. I am losing around half a kilo a week just through exercise alone, but that is because I am doing around 8 hours of cardio work a week, and burning around 5000 calories (I am eating more than 2000 calories though).
Do keep it up though. Once you are fitter, you will be able to sustain a high intensity cardio for longer, so that you will be able to get into a proper fat burning zone.
HIIT is High Intensity Interval Training and Fartlek is a system of training whereby in your training session you work as hard as you possibly can for as long as you can, then work at a lower pace until you have recovered, and then work hard again. Both depend on your fitness level as to how hard you will actually be able to work and how many calories you can burn.
I do approximately 10 hours a week cardio and i never lose any weight, though it does make you look and feel better. Weight training and a low carb/high protein diet is the way to go really
Yes there's a lot about your body type & how you burn energy.
Eating healthy, not drinking, then productive exercise WILL make a difference to your body. Stick at it, at least 4 weeks.
Your metabolism will slowly change to adjust to operating with the new conditions you are giving it.
Sorry, maybe not half a kilo a week, more like a fortnight.
Rather than going by weight go by your measurements. I'm sure you'll see a difference in your shape before you do on the scales.
Oh and before anyone says it you won't be gaining muscle by going to the gym, and fat doesn't weigh less than muscle! But you might be retaining wat as your muscles repair themselves.
But Talkinpeace I have never eaten anything like 1859 calories on a daily basis! On my three "good" days I come in at under 1100 (gross, not net) and on a "bad" day (i.e. cheesey lunch, pub and no exercise) I'll maybe get to 1800
milktray wanna be MFP buddies? I need more friends!
Ehric what makes you say that? I have a few MNers on MFP and 500-600 calories for an hour's workout seems to be pretty standard. I aim for 600 and spread it over the exercise bike, eliptical trainer, rowing machine and treadmill.
If you are like me ...Eat more than what you are extra fruit and veg keep up the exercise and it might shift. Good luck .. its taken me a year to find out why the 'f' its not shifting and I am not eating enough!!!!,
If your TDEE is 1859 and you are under 5'5" then I'm afraid you have been eating more than that amount
I am 5'5" and my TDEE is 1500
what we have learned from the 5:2 threads is that peoples estimates of how many calories are in their meals are out by up to 40%
their guess as to how many grammes their portions are - ditto
a pub ploughmans / pie / main course is around 1000 calories on its own
a large glass of wine is 200 calories
if you WERE eating 1100 calories in a day, you would have a BMI under 20
Thanks TIP! My BMI is actually 21 - I'm 5ft6. Doubtless I am wrong about my calorie intake to some degree, but on the days where I count and gym I use MFP so I reckon I have quite a good idea. I could be wildly off about my non-gym-MFP days and have been shocked by a few things since I started counting, such as the impact of olive oil.
Oh, meant to say I only manage <1100 calories 2-3 times a week, and although I've been MFPing and gymming for about 5 months my regime was scatty until a few weeks ago when I decided to buy some scales and be more organised.
Talkin - how come your tdee is 1500?
Ooooh what's MFP?
because my BMI just went under 20 ....
Also I always calculate my TDEE on light exercise because when I'm working I sit the whole time
MFP = Myfitnesspal
Mermaid : it is definitely the hidden sugars and the TEENY allowances of fats that catch people out!
No wonder you've lost so much weight!
Why oh why would they name it Fartlek . There wasn't a better name?
Mermaid that would be great, but I'm not currently using it- as I have a 13 week old baby & I am giving myself lots of time to recover!
I really want to get started on the wobbly tummy but just don't have the energy or bf going well enough yet to leave her. (She doesn't really nap)
I can't believe I do actually miss exercising!
During her birth I worked out I did 3000 squats (in the water pool pushing on the side for a few hours).
I figured this out because I couldn't walk for the first week & had the most amazingly shaped bum! And all cellulite gone!
However I don't think I will be doing 3000 squats ever again!
talkinpeace is talkin sense as usual . Bear in mind when looking at all these figures that you need a 3,500 calorie deficit to lose 1lb of weight.
Sorry but unless you are working very very hard it is highly unlikely you are burning 600 calories between those machines, if you stayed on one machine you may have a chance but just the time lost changing between them would mean you are probably only actually working for 50 minutes or so. To do that and burn 600 calories is pretty intense work for someone who, I am guessing, is around 9 stone. The elliptical machine is particularly notorious for over-estimating calorie burn btw.
It is also likely that you are underestimating calories consumed and if you are, even by, say 200 calories a day (not much) then that would be cancelling out the calories burnt through exercise.
Having said all this...if your BMI is 21 then you probably don't really need to lose weight, although you may need to lose fat . Have you thought about weight training? This, using heavy weights, with some HIiT added in, will change your shape to one you much prefer, sculpting (not bulking) muscles and you will shrink, even if you don't lose weight. Do this alongside avoiding sugar and processed food, aiming for lowish carb, lots of lean protein and you will probably get better results more easily than calorie counting.
Also, more muscle means the opposite result to calorie restriction, calorie restriction over time means your body will adapt to working on less calories, leading to a constant battle with your appetite to keep your weight down - this gets even harder as you age and lose muscle tissue due to hormonal changes. Muscles built and maintained through weight training burn more calories, so you can eat more (within reason ) without gaining lbs. win win!
At 5ft 6in, and a BMI of 21, that means you probably weigh around 9 stone 4lbs. Is this right?
You are at the low end of desirable, which means you don't have much weight to lose!
Exercise only counts for 15-20% of weight loss, and diet is much more important.
This is an interesting blog about fat and exercise
The muscle idea sounds very sensible - that's exactly how much I weigh BIWI. I felt pudgy and wibbly early this year so joined the gym and started MFPing, but it wasn't until June that I got a real shock when I went to the doctor and got weighed. I only ever get weighed at the doctor and I'd gained 5/6kg in 9 months! So I figured I needed to lose it all again to stop feeling wibbly but it was only a few weeks ago I really tightened up the regime, bought a set of scales and decided to be more serious about it.
Is there a better way of calculating calories burned than the machine estimate? I'm a bit at all the people telling me it seems too high, as it roughly adds up to the MFP estimates - e.g. it takes me just over 25 minutes on an exercise bike to burn 200 calories (according to the machine and when I try and enter those into MFP, 26 minutes equates to 202 calories. I'm quite aware that neither MFP nor the machine display are an exact science, but is there a better way? I assumed between them they'd be giving me a pretty good idea.
Sleep Obviously I don't count the time between machines in the hour! It's roughly
25 minutes on bike = 200 calories
20 minutes on elliptical trainer = 200 calories
10 minutes on rowing machine = 100 calories
10 minute run + fast-walk-cooldown on treadmill = 100 calories
Or so the machines reckon.
Also Noel I sniggered at Fartlek. I really do think they could do better!
Sounds like my strategy actually, although I'd never heard the name. I power like crazy for about 5 minutes until I run out of steam, then let myself recover for about 1.5 minutes then go crazy again.
BIWI that article is fascinating.
Sorry mermaid, thought you meant 1 hr total. What you describe isn't so much calorie wise then. I still think it is a very poor use of time at the gym though. You would do better using your hour with a five min jog or row to warm up, 20-30 mins weights (free weights best, get some instruction if you need it) then 12-20 mins high intensity intervals, not using the effort you can sustain for 5 mins but harder, you should be desperate for one minute to end...then recover for 1-2 mins and repeat. Shorten the recovery time to one min and increase the total time spent as you get fitter. Then do 5-10 mins doing some core strength stuff-planks etc and stretching.
3-4 times a week of this plus good diet made up mainly of lots of lean protein and veg should make a difference. Try it for a month or so....
another interesting article there are lots in same vein if you google something like cardio vs weight training
I started using weights after reading this book- smart girls do dumbbells.
Lots of research backed up info & how to lift properly so you don't do any damage.
A great plan in it to get you started.
Although I still think trx is a better workout as you are using all your body weight to some degree.
So it's really easy to make exercises harder or easier. Plus you don't need to remember what kg each exercise you are at, like you need to with free weighs or machine weights. (I have appalling memory & have to walk round the gym with my workout card every time!)
I agree with pp (on phone, told you my memory was rubbish!) that cardio isn't great for losing weight. I think it is good for your cardiovascular health ie your heart, circulation, getting the blood moving in all parts of your body.
But to tone up and be more lean- healthy eating & weights will give you much better results.
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Having failed to acquire Jon Lester, the Red Sox find themselves without an ace...and as favorites in the American League? It hasn't been the best of weeks for Red Sox fans, thanks to Jon Lester's decision to sign with the Cubs. The Sox have made a few moves since to shore up the rotation, but if Rick Porcello, Wade Miley, and Justin Masterson are decent additions to a pitching corps that was in serious need of help...well, they're not Lester. It's no surprise, then, that morale has fallen a bit. The good news, if you buy into this sort of thing: Las Vegas likes Boston's chances even...
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Very early voting in our latest FenwayNation Poll shows that more than six in ten readers think Jon Lester will win between 11 and 15 games next year for the Cubs. As the chart shows, fully 64% think Lester will have that many victories, while 28% think he'll notch between 16 and 20 wins. Just 4% each believe the lefty will get either 0-10 wins or more than 20 victories. You can still vote in the poll HERE.
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Jon Lester is officially on the Cubs. Let's try to understand that. Jon Lester had barely thrown a pitch for the Red Sox when his cancer was announced. For this reason, it's nearly impossible to separate Jon Lester, Red Sox pitcher, from Jon Lester, cancer survivor and two-time World Series champion. If Boston fans feel some claim of ownership of Lester that goes beyond the standard he's-our-type-of-guy schtick, this is probably why we do. It does not take an advanced degree to understand why Lester chose the Cubs over the Sox. Firstly, there was $20 million more to their deal, akin to a...
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Boston Herald Dec 16, 2014
CHICAGO — Jon Lester sat at a dais on the third floor of a trendy Italian bistro overlooking Lake Michigan. He had a blue cap on his head, Theo Epstein by his side and supreme faith that the Cubs can win the World Series in 2015, which is a little like saying you believe in Santa Claus.And in the corridors of Fenway Park, the Red Sox must have been wondering, "How the heck did we get here?"
Boston Herald Dec 16, 2014
CHICAGO — Theo Epstein got his man. It just isn't the man he remembered.Epstein always knew Jon Lester to be a talented pitcher from their days together with the Red Sox. Back then, though, Lester typically fell in line behind Josh Beckett and other older members of the starting rotation. He beat cancer and won a World Series in 2007, then threw a no-hitter in 2008, but he rarely seemed entirely sure of himself.And if Lester ever told a joke, well, Epstein never heard it.
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` Oct. l5, 1968 R. 1 PIERICK 3,405,712
DES ICCATIVE SYRINGE 2 Sheets-Sheet 1 Filed Feb.
Oct. 15, 1968 R. l.. PIERICK DESICCATIVE SYRINGE 2 Sheets-Sheet 2 Filed Feb. '7, 1966 /m/E/vro 8 Qc/Meo Pfff/6K United States Patent O 3,405,712 DESICCATIVE SYRINGE Richard L. Pierick, 2800 Tiffin, Des Moines, Iowa 50317 Filed Feb. 7, 1966, Ser. No. 525,479 3 Claims. (Cl. 12S-218) ABSTRACT F THE DISCLOSURE The invention is embodied in a single device usable both as a desiccator for a powdered medicament, and as a transporter of the powdered medicament under vacuum in conjunction with a liquid medicament physically separated therefrom, until at the point of use the device is operable to mix the medicaments prior to ejection therefrom by means of a hypodermic needle affixed thereto. The arrangement includes forming one end of the powdered medicament-holding casing with at least one flute formed on its interior, which flute enables an evacuation of moisture from the powdered medicament held within the interior of the casing, past a portion of a tube inserted into the casing prior to the desiccation process, which tube holds the liquid medicament. At the end of the desiccation process, the tube is forced past the flute and further into the casing such that the relative positions of the tube and the casing effect a sealing relationship between the powdered medicament, now under a vacuum, and the liquid medicament. At the point of use, due t0 the provision of a cannula tube held within the casing, and which tube has a trio of longitudinally spaced portions formed therein, one of which is at the pointed end of the tube, and the other two of which are not in fluid communication within the tube, coaction between the tube and the casing effects first a mixing of the medicaments together, and secondly an ejection therefrom, said ejection being transmitted by a hypodermic-type needle which has been aflixed to the casing.
This invention relates to a syringe, and more particularly to a syringe which is suitable to be placed in a desiccator, wherein the diluent is initially sealed in one element of the syringe and the pharmaceutical, or biological, to be desiccated is initially contained in another separate element of the syringe. The elements of the syringe are manipulatable to accomplish admixture of the diluent and the pharmaceutical, and then are operable as a piston and cylinder means to eject the resulting mixture in the hypodermic administration thereof.
The general known practice is to place the diluent in one sealed bottle and the desiccated pharmaceutical in a second bottle for shipment to the place of use. The diluent is then removed from the bottle by a syringe wherein a hypodermic needle attached thereto is forced through the seal and the diluent is drawn into the syringe. The seal of the pharmaceutical bottle is then punctured by the hypodermic needle and the diluent is then ejected therein. The diluent and desiccated pharmaceutical are thoroughly mixed and again the hypodermic needle is forced into the bottle to withdraw the mixture prior to injection into the patient.
It is well known that it is extremely diiiicult if not impossible to meet the sanitary requirements necessary in the hypodermic administration of a desiccated pharmaceutical when the diluent is added at the time of use and then the mixture must be placed in a syringe for administration thereof.
An object of this invention is to provide a multi-compartrnent syringe, wherein each compartment contains one component of a charge, which can be placed in a desic- JCC cator for desiccation of one of the components, shipped, and then used as a syringe without structural change.`
Another object of the invention is the provision of a syringe of a two part, two compartment, telescopically arranged structure7 wherein absolutely perfect sanitation is provided, no contamination of one component of a charge with another component being possible.
A further object of this invention is to provide a multicompartment syringe, wherein the desiccated product occupies one compartment and the diluent occupies another, and both compartments can be shipped together as a unit.
Yet another object of this invention is to provide a syringe carrying two components of a charge in separated compartments, which is constructed for placement in a conventional desiccator chamber, and manipulatable to effeet a mixing immediately prior to use of the components.
A still further object of this invention is the provision of a syringe employing only a casing for containing one component of a charge to be ejected by a syringe, and a plunger slidable into the easing, and with the plunger containing another component of a charge, and wherein the casing and the plunger are operable in one position to effect a condition suitable for the desiccation of the first component with the second component in a sealed condition, operable in a second position to effect a transportation eondition with both components sealed oli, operable in a third position to provide a mixing condition where the components are mixed together within the casing, and operable in a fourth position wherein the casing assumes the function of a cylinder and lthe plunger assumes the function of a piston to eject the mixed charge from the casing.
Another object of this invention is the provision of a syringe particularly constructed for use in a desiccator wherein the shelves of the latter are moved relative to each other, the syringe operable to permit desiccation of a pharmaceutical carried therein, and responsive to the operation of the desiccator to seal the desiccated pharmaceutical for future ejection by the syringe itself without other attachments, except for a conventional hypoderrnic needle.
It is another object of this invention to provide a syringe capable of attaining the above designated objectives, which is economical to manufacture, simple and rugged in construction, and effective in use.
These objects and other features and advantages of this invention will be readily apparent according to the following description when taken in conjunction with the accompanying drawings, wherein:
FIG. l is an exploded, sectional view of the elements of the syringe of this invention taken along the longitudinal axis of the syringe;
FIG. 2 is an enlarged, sectional view of the syringe, showing the parts thereof in a desiccation position, with a pair of components to make up an injection charge shown in separated compartments;
FIG. 3 is a sectional view taken along the line 3 3 in FIG. 2;
FIG. 4 is a greatly enlarged, fragmentary sectional view of the tube taken along the longitudinal axis thereof;
FIG. 5 is an enlarged, fragmentary sectional view similar to FIG. 2, wherein the plunger part of the syringe is shown in a transportation position;
FIG. 6 is an enlarged, fragmentary sectional view similar to FIG. 2, and showing the parts in a third position permitting thereby the components to be mixed;
FIG. 7 is an enlarged, lfragmentary sectional view similar to FIG. 6, wherein the plunger part of the syringe is shown in a fourth position wherein the components are mixed and sealed in the casing;
FIG. 8 is a greatly enlarged, fragmentary sectional 3 view, wherein the syringe has been rotated to a position immediately prior to use with a hypodermic needle unit attached to the exposed end of the casing; and
FIG. 9 is a plan view of the syringe with a hypodermic needle attached.
Referring now to the drawings, a preferred embodiment of the syringe of this invention is indicated generally at 10 in FIGS. l and 2. The syringe comprises basically a casing 11 having an open top end 12, and a nozzletype bottom end 13 normally closed by a cap 14. A tubular plunger 16 is provided for axial, reciprocable inser tion into the casing 11, having a closed upper end 17 and an open lower end 18 normally sealed by a knob 19. A tube 21 is mounted in the casing 11 on the longitudinal axis thereof.
More specifically, the casing 11 comprises an elongated cylindrical body 22, the inner Wall surface 23 of which has a substantially constant diameter, forming a substantially cylindrical interior 24, adapted to contain one component 25 (FIG. 2) of a charge to lbe ejected by the syringe 10. A passage 26 is axially formed through the bottom end 13. An annular end llange 27 is provided at the top end of the casing body 22. A plurality of arcuately and equally spaced, longitudinally extended flutes 28 are formed in the casing 'body 22, as best shown in FIGS. l and 3, which are open to the interior 24.
A first annular flange 29 (FIG. 1), extending into the interior 24, is formed on the interior wall 23 intermediate the top and fbottom ends 12 and 13, respectively, of the casing 11. A second annular llange 31 (FIG. l), extending into the interior 24, is Iformed on the interior 4wall 23 parallel to and spaced a certain distance from the irst flange 29 toward the bottom end 13. The diameters of the flanges 29 and 31 are substantially identical, and are less than the diameter of the body 22. It will also 'be noted that the utes 28 extend from the inner edge of the flange 27 toward but ending intermediate the edge and the closest ange 29.
The tube 21 (FIG. l), having an outer end 32 mounted in the opening 26, is hollow, with the inner pointed end 33 located longitudinally intermediate the first and second flanges 29 and 31. Two longitudinally spaced cut-outs 34 and 36 (FIG. 4) are formed in the tube 21, and iluidly communicate thhe interior of the tube 21 with the casing interior 24. The llrst cut-out 34 is disposed immediately below the second flange 31, as best shown in FIG. 2, and the second cut-out 36 is disposed near the bottom end 13. The interior of the tube 21 is closed by a plu-g 37 (FIG. 4) or by crimping intermediate the cut-outs 34 and 36. The outer end 32 extends through the ybottom end 13 and fluidity communicates the interior 24 with the atmosphere.
More particularly as to the plunger 16 (FIG. l) it comprises also a cylindrical body 38, the outer diameter of which is substantially constant and which is less than the inner diameter of the casing wall 22 and the inner diameter of the flanges 29 and 31. The cavity 41 formed within the body 38 is adapted to contain a second component of the charge 42 to be ejected by the syringe 10. In certain instances the upper end 17 should be flat to facilitate the manipulation of the plunger 16.
The knob 19 (FIG. 1), of a deformable material, has an annular flange 43 formed thereon which has an outer diameter substantially equal to the inner diameter of the body 38, thus providing an effective seal when the knob 19 is inserted into the body 38. A flange 44 is integrally formed on the knob 19, as best shown in FIG. 1, having an outer diameter substantially equal to the inner diameter of the casing wall 22. This provides that the plunger 16 slides tightly into the casing 11, with the flange 44 effecting a seal with the interior surface 23 at any time it engages the wall 22, except as seen hereinafter.
In operation, the second component 42 of the charge, generally a diluent such as distilled water, is placed in the plunger 16 and the knob 19 is inserted therein, thus sealing the diluent in the plunger 16. The first component 25 of the charge, a pharmaceutical, is placed in the casing 11 `with the cap 14 closing the bottom end thereof, and the plunger is inserted, 'with the flange 44 of the knob 19 disposed intermediate the longitudinal axis of the flutes 28, as best shown in FIG. 2.
In the condition of FIG. 2, the syringe 10 is then placed in a desiccator in a vertical position with the cap 14 at the bottom, and the pharmaceutical is desiccated. The moisture extracted from the pharmaceutical `will be drawn off and out of the casing interior 24 through the ilutes 28, as shown by the arrows in FIG. 2.
Upon completion of the desiccation cycle, the plunger 16 is pressed down by the desiccator shelf or other struc ture until the tlange 44 seats against the first flange 29, as best shown in FIG. 5. The syringe 10 (FIG. 5) is thereby automatically, in response to operation of the sandwich, shelf-type desiccator, placed in its transportation position. The two components 25 and 42 are separated, one in the casing 11 and the other in the plunger 16, by the sealed nature of the flanges 43 and 44. The frictional engagement of the flange 44 with the casing wall 22 is sufficiently tight such that ordinary transportation jarring of the syringe 10 in the FIG; 5 condition would not cause relative movement of the casing 11 and the plunger 16. Further, the shipping container itself could be molded to fit the parts of the syringe in their FIG. 5 position to aid in preventing the relative movement.
At the point of use, the syringe 10 is grasped in the normal manner with the ngers below the flange 27 of the casing 11, and with the thumb against the upper end 17 of the plunger. The plunger 16 is moved into the casing 11, effecting actually a relative movement of both parts, It may be necessary to supply a slight twisting motion of the plunger 16 to enable the flange 44 of the knob 19 to pass the first flange 29 of the casing 11.
Axial movement of the plunger 16 relative to the casing 11 is continued until the llange 44 seats against the second flange 31 of the casing 11, as best shown in FIG. 5, whereby the pointed end 33 of the tube 21 pierces the center of the knob 19 and the flange 44 is disposed intermediate the tubes pointed end 33 and the first cut-out 34. The diluent 42 is then immediately sucked into the casing interior 24 by the vacuum in the interior 24 created by the desiccation process, whereupon it mixes with the pharmaceutical .25. This llow is indicated by the arrows in FIG. 6, wherein the diluent flows from the cavity 41 outwardly through the tube 21 from the pointed end 33 and out through the rst cut-out 34 into the casing interior 24. At the same time that the diluent flows into the casing interior 24, the air in the plunger cavity 41 is also sucked into the casing interior 24 so as to equalize the air pressure within the two cavities.
Continued axial movement of the plunger 16 relative to the casing 11, with possibly a slight twisting, if necessary, brings the parts to another relative position best illustrated in FIG. 7. The flange 44 has passed the second ilange 31 of the casing and is positioned intermediate the first cutout 34 and the second cut-out 36 of the tube 21. The resulting mixture is then shaken to make certain that all of the pharmaceutical 25 is dissolved. It should be noted that one using the syringe may easily see these various elements. The air entrapped with the casing 24 will flow out through the first cut-out 34 and into the plunger cavity 41 until the flange 44 passes downwardly past the cut-out 34, thus easing the axial movement of the plunger 16 into the casing 11. With the llange 44 disposed between the mixture and the cut-out 34, and due to the crimp 37, the two components 25 and 42 are now prevented from leaking or being forced from the casing interior 24 to the plunger cavity 41 via the tube 21.
The syringe 10 is then turned upside down, or turned to a position from that of FIGS. 1-7, whereby the charge rests against the knob 19 (FIG. 8) by gravity. In this position of the syringe 10, the cap 14 can be removed and a hypodermic needle unit 46 substituted therefor.
The syringe is now ready for use. The plunger 16 is then inserted further into the casing 11 to elect an egress of the charge contained therein through the needle unit 46.
Although a preferred embodiment of this invention has been described and disclosed hereinbefore, it is to be remembered that various modifications and alternate constructions can be made thereto without departing from the true spirit and scope of the invention as defined in the appended claims.
I claim:
1. A desiccative syringe comprising in combination:
a casing open at one end and having a cylindrical interior with a constant inner diameter except for having a pair of longitudinally spaced annular flanges formed therein the inner diameters of which are less than said interior diameter, said casing having a plurality of arcuately spaced utes formed on the interior surface thereof and extending from the edge of said end toward the closest of said flanges;
a tube mounted axially in said casing at an end opposite said one end to communicate said casing interior with the atmosphere, said tube having an inner pointed open end located intermediate said liange closest to said opposite end and having a pair of longitudinally spaced ports formed threin intermediate said open end and said casing opposite end, each port communicating the interior of the tube with said casing interior, and said tube interior closed intermediate said ports;
a hollow plunger closed at one end, open at the other end, and having an outer diameter less than the inner diameter of said casing interior; and
a resilient knob closing said other plunger end and having an annular flange of substantially the same outer diameter as said casing interior inner diameter, said knob insertable into said casing open end in a sealing manner and adapted to be pierced by said tube pointed end, receiving said tube in a sealing manner;
said ange having a thickness less than the axial distance from said tube pointed open end to the port closest thereto, less than the axial distance betwen said ports, less than the axial distance between said tube pointed open end and the liange closest thereto, and less than the axial length of said flutes.
2. A desiccative syringe comprising in combination:
a tubular casing closed at one end and open at the other end and having a substantially constant inner diameter, said casing having at least one ute formed on the interior surface thereof, said ute extended from said open end inwardly thereof; a cannula tube mounted axially in said casing at said 5 closed end and communicating said casing interior with the atmosphere, said tube having a pointed open end, and having a pair of longitudinally spaced ports formed therein between said open end and said casing closed end within said casing interior, said tube 10 interior closed intermediate said ports;
cap means detachably secured to said casing closed end for closing ofrr said tube from the atmosphere; and
a hollow plunger having one end the circumference of which is slightly smaller than said casing inner diameter, said one end frictionally inserted into said casing open end, said plunger one end having a portion thereof of a material pierceable by said tube pointed open end, and the thickness of said portion being less than the axial distance from said tube pointed open end to the port closest thereto, less than the axial distance between said ports, and less than the axial distance of said ute;
said plunger adapted to have a liquid medicament therein, and said casing adapted to have a powdered medicament therein under a vacuum when said tube one end portion is inserted into said casing between said flute and said casing closed end.
3. A desiccative syringe as defined in claim 2, and further wherein said cap means includes a cap engageable with a substantially flat surface for supporting the remainder of the desiccative syringe in an upright position for desiccation purposes.
References Cited UNITED STATES PATENTS FOREIGN PATENTS 45 934,524 8/ 1963 Great Britain.
RICHARD A. GAUDET, Primary Examiner.
M. F. MAJESTIC, Assistant Examiner.
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Kittner to make third straight start for Falcons
FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. -- After watching the film, Atlanta Falcons coach Dan Reeves decided Kurt Kittner's performance wasn't as bad as it looked the first time.
So Kittner will get another start at quarterback Sunday.
"I thought he did a better job than (it appeared) standing on the sidelines looking at it," Reeves said Wednesday. "He missed some targets, but I think three games should give us a good evaluation to see exactly where he is."
While the Falcons (1-7) don't have a lot of options at quarterback until Michael Vick returns, it's still worth asking: Why is 2K making his third straight start?
Kittner's rating is an abysmal 32.4, which would easily be lowest in the league if he qualified. He has completed only 42 percent of his passes. He has four interceptions and only one touchdown.
Last Sunday against Philadelphia, Kittner threw two of the ugliest passes you'll see at this level.
With Brian Finneran breaking free down the sideline about 20 yards away, Kittner nearly threw the ball in the stands. Then, with Peerless Price standing all alone in the end zone and Brian Kozlowski open at the 15, Kittner split the difference, throwing the ball right to Eagles cornerback Lito Sheppard standing between them.
"It's good to get out there and get another shot, but I need to make those throws I know I can make," Kittner said. "Last week, I didn't make those. I need to be more consistent."
Kittner had completed 11 of 18 passes for just 78 yards when Reeves made a change early in the fourth quarter. Doug Johnson, who started the first six games, went the rest of the way, completing 5-of-10 for 86 yards in a 23-16 loss.
But Reeves has upgraded his assessment of Kittner's performance.
"He made some improvement from the week before against a really good defensive team," the coach said. "So it's going to be interesting to see if he makes another step up."
Interesting, indeed.
Kittner will be making his first career start on the road when the Falcons face the Giants. Not only does he have to overcome one of the league's most hostile settings, he'll also be facing a fearsome defensive line led by sack master Michael Strahan.
The Giants have 27 sacks, ranking second in the league when computed by the number of pass plays by their opponent. Strahan has nine of those sacks, tied for second in the NFC.
"That's something you can't control," Kittner said. "As a quarterback, you have to go out there, make your reads and trust in the fact that everyone is getting blocked."
He's not going to worry about getting pulled again, either.
"You just need to go out and play," Kittner said. "I don't think anyone thinks about that going into a game. They just think about what they can do to play well."
Oh, yeah, Kittner also will be playing with a new left tackle standing between him and the Giants.
Kevin Shaffer, a seventh-round draft pick in 2002, will make his first career start in place of Bob Whitfield, who sustained a season-ending injury against the Eagles.
"Strahan is a beast," said receiver Brian Finneran. "It's always important to have your offensive linemen play well, and this week is no exception. We need them to step up a little more."
Actually, the best hope for salvaging any remnant of hope this season lies with the return of Vick, who broke his right leg in the preseason. He hopes to begin running full speed and working on his drops next week. If that goes well, he would try to practice the following week.
Vick is still shooting to return for Nov. 30 game at Houston.
"It's been painful to watch," said Vick, who led the Falcons to the playoffs in his first season as a starter. "That's why I want to come, to provide a spark any way I can."
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A look ahead to this weekend's Premier League fixture at the DW Stadium
Friday 09 November 2012
The DW Stadium will play host to a clash between two sides with their tails up on Saturday when Wigan take on West Bromwich Albion.
After managing just one win from their first eight English Premier League matches this term, Wigan have sprung into life with consecutive wins in their past two games.
The last of those results, a victory over Tottenham at White Hart Lane, has been the highlight of their campaign to date.
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Wigan can claim their third win a row with victory on Saturday after consecutive wins against West Ham and Tottenham.
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Feb 16, 2014, 3:27 PM EST
In the case of Canada at the Sochi Olympics, the best offense is a good defense.
Sunday's 2-1 OT win over Finland was the latest example of this trend, as Drew Doughty scored both Canadian markers to move into the team goalscoring lead and draw even with Phil Kessel for second-most (four) in the tournament. Doughty's first goal was assisted by Shea Weber, who now has four points in three games; all told, the defense has combined to score six of Canada's 11 goals and 11 of the team's 29 points.
"It's been what we've relied on the whole tournament so far," John Tavares said after the Finland game. "The first three games, they've carried the offense for us."
While impressive, this shouldn't come as a huge surprise. Depth of talent set Canada apart from other nations when Olympic rosters were announced in early January; the Canadian blueline was loaded to the point where the reigning Norris winner, P.K. Subban, was a bubble selection (and he's only dressed once in the three games).
The Canadian defense also expects plenty from itself. Case in point: Doughty felt he actually played poorly in the tournament-opening win over Norway, which he finished with a goal and an assist.
"My first game, I thought I struggled a little bit especially in the first period, but ever since then, I've been comfortable," he said, per the Olympic News Service. "I'm ready to go. I'm used to the ice sheet. I'm used to playing with these guys. I'm just excited now. I forget about everything that's going on around me and I'm just focused on my game and having fun."
These contributions are vitally important, especially given how Canada's opponents tend to play. Finland did all it could to keep the Canadian forwards to the perimeter on Sunday, packing the middle of the ice — a strategy which opens up avenues/lanes for defensemen to make something happen. It's soemthing Canada figures it'll see more of it as the tournament progresses.
Canadians say that is the style they expect to face the rest of the way. Will get it for sure if Swiss beat Latvia.
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For Doughty and company, that's just fine. He says the defense needs to keep penetrating the opposition.
"That's what we've got to do, especially when they're just sitting back like that," Doughty said, per ONS. "We have to make sure we have speed because a lot of times, our forwards are going to be stopped up at the far blue line.
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Abu Hamza found guilty of US terror charges
Islamist cleric Abu Hamza has been found guilty of all terror charges in his US trial.
Islamist cleric Abu Hamza has been found guilty of all terror charges in his US trial.
Abu Hamza could face life imprisonment after being found guilty of all charges in his New York trial.
A jury of eight men and four women found the cleric, 56, guilty on all 11 counts he faced, handing Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara his second high-profile terrorism conviction in three months.
The imam was extradited from the UK in 2012 after a series of court battles with the British government.
A hacker group who claimed to be behind a cyber attack on Sony Pictures have posted a message online apparently mocking the FBI.
The returns of Benedict Cumberbatch's detective and the X Factor judge were among 2014's most tweeted TV moments in a billion conversations.
A family has issued an appeal to help find their missing pet turkey - in case he gets gobbled up as someone's Christmas dinner.