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It seems hopeful to me.
I'm less than euphoric about the LDS church's recent retraction of its old racist doctrines. It was less a retraction than a denial, and it came conveniently on the heels of Nelson Mandela's death. Still it's a step in the right direction. At least the church won't be able to spew so much racist crap in the future, now that they've set this new precedent.
I'm not thrilled about Francis' failure to speak out against the molestations of children by priests. It seems like he's spoke out against every kind of child abuse (especially child labor and sex slavery) except the abuse spawned by his own Church. His failings were similar when he was a cardinal and I suspect that he was hand-picked for his current office in part for that very reason. The Catholic Church may be ready to loosen its grip on some things, but not on its denial about its most grevious sin in these modern times.
I think socialism has been shown to be able to be carried out successfully, under the right circumstances, by a goodly number of European countries. It shouldn't be something that Americans quake and tremble over, but lots of older folks at least are living in the past where the Cold War was at its height and witch-hunts against communist "spies" were the featured paranoia of the day. When a conservative American hears the word "socialist," I think his/her mind translates it as "commie," with all the fearmongering that entails. Luckily I am not afraid of socialism, so I don't have to try to defend the opposing viewpoint.
But as Dana indicated, the Catholic Church is made less out of clay and more out of cement. It's brittle. Too much change in one sitting would end with the Church cracking and falling to pieces -- not necessarily a bad thing, but something that no entrenched Catholic would want to cause. To become Pope, one must be very loyal to the Church and its survival no matter what one's personal views. So I think it's fortuitous that the higher-ups chose a Pope who'd at least talk a milder talk, even if he's not ready to walk a milder walk. I don't think Francis has fixed the biggest problems by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm happy that he's beginning to point the Church in a direction that no other Pope ever did (not for all but 2000 years at least).
I'll have one eye on the Catholic Church going forward, I'll put it that way.
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I know he's done some stuff regarding the child abuse in the Catholic Church. It's a more recent thing (earlier this month) and he has a committee working on ways to stop it, how to track down all the priests who have done these actions to actually remove them, and provide assistance to the victims.
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Wow, that's good news. I hope he follows through and that we'll begin to hear more about that.
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The Pope has made child abuse/ molestation illegal in the Vatican, where before there was no specific laws that they could hold and punish priests by, as the Vatican is basically a country of it's own. Now offending priests can get shipped to the vatican for investigation and actually punished.
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Thanks for the link! I see he's just made it a crime to sexually abuse a minor, or hire a child prostitute, in Vatican City. (It wasn't before?)
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The Pope on gay adoption
And this today.... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4516304.html
Let's just admit the Church was a convenient refuge for gay men and lesbians (and pedophiles/ephebophiles, which is different) for 1600 years, shall we?
One more hypocrisy of Christianity.
The Bible is a 2000 year old book of magic, for goodness sakes. The so-called Church Fathers and Saints wrote a bunch of bs according to modes of thought of ancient Rome, and the freeking Middle Ages.
Grow up and get over it!
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Well I finally got the conservative guy to bite.
From: Conservative
To: kdt26417, Astronomer
Cc: the Rest of the Gang
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013
Subject: Papal Influence
[In kdt26417's words:] Conservative pretty much dismissed the Pope with a wave of his hand. After all, he said, the Pope is just some puny guy propping up a flimsy, dying church. Yusuf al-Qaradawi has much more power and influence. The Catholic Church is eroding into an insignificant status for rank-and-file Westerners.
Atheist socialism is no paradise. Remember the 20th century? Americans clearly don't remember that. They don't care about logic and clarity, just about political correctness. Therefore, the Pope's agenda is uninteresting to Conservative. But for argument's sake let's say the Catholic Church is true. Then why isn't the Pope standing up for traditional family values and worship of the Virgin Mary? Sounds like he just wants to serve the elite narcissists who enjoy free reign in America.
Vladimir Putin is much more interesting. You might be interested in reading his New Year's letter.
The letter Conservative spoke of (linked to above) is a scathing indictment against America for tip-toe-ing around liberal mogels, allowing, for instance, the courts to defy the will of the people and allow same-sex marriage. Knowing Conservative as I do, I know that he's passive-aggressive and would never speak out with such cutting words as Putin did. But the fact that he referenced the New Year's letter says it all. I am convinced that he was angered and offended by my Pope plugging, and aiming a stinging hard-line conservative letter at me was his bit of divine justice. Those who desire to have their feathers ruffled should definitely click on the above link.
But since Conservative took the time to respond to my email, I thought some sucking up was in order. After all, I want him to see that participating in the discussion will earn him a reward. (Damn I'm cynical.) So ...
From: kdt26417
To: Conservative, Astronomer
Cc: the Rest of the Gang
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013
Hmmm, interesting ... I didn't realize Putin was a staunch conservative. A conservative with pizzazz, if I may say so. But I don't think Putin and Fracis are in any danger of chatting over tea anytime soon.
I think Putin has given voice to what every faithful conservative in America fears: that the growing foothold of liberal policy is going to suck out the backbone of this once-proud nation and leave it to the buzzards to pick dry.
As for Catholicism, I am not prepared to say that it has become a weak and insignificant force in the world. As Putin said, the quiet majority is conservative, and that surely includes conservative Catholics. But, I think that Catholicism's hold is beginning to slip, especially in terms of the youth who are not attending (and contributing) as much as their parents were. Thus, the Catholic Church is trying to scoop up the youth by championing what the Church believes the youth want. I think that has something to do with why Francis was elected to be the Pope.
I am actually glad that Putin is embracing the values of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Russia is rich in that kind of history, and suffered culturally without it when communist rulers bade the people worship the government rather than the Church. I think that Russia needs to experience a time of religious loyalty in order to recover from that repression. Who knows, maybe Eastern Orthodoxy will supplant Rome as the dictator of original Catholicism in the West. Should be quite a showdown.
I think socialism can work if it's accompanied by honest democracy. Even Putin might agree with that. The problem is, America is too much controlled by special interests. I myself can see that. The system is rigged.
I asked Lawyer [another member of the gang] what he thought of Mars mission prospects and he responded that he's in favor of it as long as America fixes its debt problem first. At the rate we are going, he predicts the collapse of our nation in about fifty years. Not a very good legacy to leave for our children. So I am inclined to agree that the national debt is the one thing rank-and-file liberals and conservatives alike tend to underestimate. We're all busy fighting over homosexuality while the government runs our collective credit cards through the roof. I don't know if Lawyer's prediction is right, but maybe I'm kind of glad that I probably won't live longer than fifty more years. You see, there's my selfishness coming out ...
Well Conservative, I appreciate your posting your thoughts and I know I goaded you, which is why I consider it fair enough to receive a sophisticated taunt by Putin in return. I was just surprised that the current Pope is as liberal-minded as he seems to be. The fly in the ointment seems to be his failure to address the molestation of children by priests. But rumor has it that he's finally starting to address that issue. I hope it's true. Conservatives and liberals alike will agree that such sexual abuse is a terrible and onerous thing. It needs to be stopped and corrected with a strong hand.
I am interested to hear what any of you other guys would like to say, if you get time and opportunity to say it.
Kevin T.
Didn't the prior Pope resign? If so, perhaps that's another reason why Pope Francis was elected. A face-saving measure, if you will.
From: Programmer
To: kdt26417, Conservative, Astronomer
Cc: the Rest of the Gang
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013
[In kdt26417's words:] Programmer only touched briefly on the Pope, saying he didn't know a whole lot about that topic and that he agreed with me that trying to change too much too quickly in the Catholic Church would do more harm than good.
With that, Programmer then transitioned into another topic he wanted to discuss. Or topic cluster:
As far as I know, that concludes the gang's Pope discussion. The guys have moved on to other topics, I think.
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Recipe: Tteokguk (Sliced Rice Pasta Soup)
Makes 8 to 10 servings Stock: 1 gallon water 2 ½ pounds flank steak 1 white onion, halved 3 green onions, cut in 3-inch pieces 2 tablespoons...
Makes 8 to 10 servings
1 gallon water
2 ½ pounds flank steak
1 white onion, halved
3 green onions, cut in 3-inch pieces
2 tablespoons toasted ground sesame seed*
½ teaspoon black pepper
7 tablespoons Korean soup soy sauce, divided*
2 teaspoons minced garlic
1/3 cup sliced green onion
2 pounds sliced rice cake*
Garnish per bowl:
¼ to 1/3 cup shredded beef mixture
Julienned cooked egg white (See recipe)
Julienned cooked egg yolk (See recipe)
Sliced green onions
Julienned toasted nori (seaweed)*, optional
1. To make the stock: In a large soup pot, combine water, beef and both kinds of onion. Bring to a simmer, carefully skim off any foamy material that comes to the top, then let simmer for 3 hours, adjusting the heat as necessary to maintain a simmer, until the meat is tender and the liquid has reduced to about 3 quarts. (It's very important to not let the stock boil at any time.)
2. When done, remove the meat and let it cool. Strain the stock, pressing on the vegetables to get all the good flavors. Discard vegetables. Measure stock and, if more than 3 quarts, return to the heat to reduce. If less than 3 quarts, you can supplement with purchased beef broth.
3. When the meat is cool enough to handle, cut it across the grain into 3-inch chunks, then hand-shred into a large bowl. Add 2 tablespoons ground sesame seed, black pepper, 5 tablespoons soup soy sauce, garlic and 1/3 cup sliced green onion. Mix well and set aside to marinate at room temperature for about 20 minutes.
4. Meanwhile, rinse the rice cake slices in cold water and drain well.
5. Return the stock to a boil and season to taste with salt. Stir in the rice cake slices and the remaining 2 tablespoons soup soy sauce. Boil gently until the rice cake slices start to float, about 8 to 10 minutes.
6. Ladle the soup into bowls, dividing the rice cake slices evenly. In each serving, place a nice handful of the shredded beef mixture and big pinches of egg white, egg yolk and green onion. Sprinkle with nori if desired.
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Note: A more common name for this soup is Dduk Gook.
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Inflation for the rich
I'm preparing for my weekly Slate Money podcast – this week, unequal public school funding, Taylor Swift versus Spotify, and the economics of weed, which will be fun – and I keep coming back to something I mentioned last week on Slate Money when we were talking about the end of the Fed program of quantitative easing (QE).
First, consider what QE comprised:
- QE1 (2008 – 2010): $1.65 trillion dollars invested in bonds and agency mortgage-back securities,
- QE2 (2010 – 2011): another $600 billion, cumulative $2.25 trillion, and
- QE3 (2012 – present): $85 billion per month, for a total of about $3.7 trillion overall.
Just to understand that total, compare it to the GDP of the U.S. in 2013, at 16.8 trillion. Or the federal tax spending in 2012, which was $3.6 trillion (versus $2.5 trillion in revenue!).
Anyhoo, the point is, we really don't know exactly what happened because of all this money, because we can't go back in time and do without the QE's. We can only guess, and of course mention a few things that didn't happen. For example, the people against it were convinced it would drive inflation up to crazy levels, which it hasn't, although of course individual items and goods have gone up of course:
Well but remember, the inflation rate is calculated in some weird way that economists have decided on, and we don't really understand or trust it, right? Actually, there are a bunch of ways to measure inflation, including this one from M.I.T., and most of them kinda agree that stuff isn't crazy right now.
So did QE1, 2, and 3 have no inflationary effect at all? Were the haters wrong?
My argument is that it indeed caused inflation, but only for the rich, where by rich I mean investor class. The stock market is at an all time high, and rich people are way richer, and that doesn't matter for any inflation calculation because the median income is flat, but it certainly matters for individuals who suddenly have a lot more money in their portfolios. They can compete for New York apartments and stuff.
As it turns out, there's someone who agrees with me! You might recognize his name: billionaire and Argentinian public enemy #1 Paul Singer. According to Matt O'Brien of the Washington Post, Paul Singer is whining in his investor letter (excerpt here) about how expensive the Hamptons have gotten, as well as high-end art.
It's "hyperinflation for the rich" and we are not feeling very bad for them. In fact it has made matters worse, when the very rich have even less in common with the average person. And just in case you're thinking, oh well, all those Steve Jobs types deserve their hyper-inflated success, keep in mind that more and more of the people we're talking about come from inherited wealth.
Nerd catcalling
This is a guest post by Becky Jaffe.
It has come to my attention that I am a nerd. I take this on good authority from my students, my friends, and, as of this morning, strangers in a coffee shop. I was called a nerd three times today before 10:30 am, while I was standing in line for coffee – which is to say, before I was caffeinated, and therefore utterly defenseless. I asked my accusers for suggestions on how to be less nerdy. Here was their helpful advice:
Guy in coffee shop: "Wear makeup and high heels."
Another helpful interlocutor: "Use smaller words."
My student, later in the day: "Care less about ideas."
A friend: "Think less like NPR and more like C-SPAN."
What I wish someone had said: "Is that a dictionary in your pocket or are you happy to see me?"
What I learned today is that if I want to avoid being called a nerd, I should be more like Barbie. And I don't mean the Professor Barbie version, which – get this – does not exist. When I googled "Professor Barbie," I got "Fashion Professor Barbie."
So many lessons in gender conformity for one day! This nerd is taking notes.
Going to Haiti next week
I'm off to Haiti next week, for a week, with my buddie and bandmate Jamie Kingston. I was trying to figure out what to do with the blog while I was gone, and so I asked sometimes-guest blogger Becky Jaffe to cover for me (some of you may remember her Hip Hop's Cambrian Explosion series which to this day gets traffic) but by the time I'd explained my trip, she'd decided to come along too! Which is awesome. We're staying at the Hotel Oloffson in Port au Prince:
So two things. First, if you know of fun stuff to do in the Port au Prince area, please tell me. I tend to like talking to people, and music and crafts, and Becky and Jamie are more into nature and insects.
Second, if you have a lovely or inspiring suggestion for what should happen to mathbabe next week while we're away, please tell me!
"Hand To Mouth" and the rationality of the poor
Here's one thing that you do as a mathematician a lot: change the assumptions and see how wildly the conclusions change. You usually start with lots of assumptions, and then see how things change when they are taken away one by one: what if the ring isn't commutative? What if it doesn't have a "1"?
Of course, it's easy enough to believe that we can no longer prove the same theorems when we don't start with the same kinds of mathematical set-ups. But this kind of thing can also apply to non-mathematical scenarios as well.
So, for example, I've long thought that the "marshmallow" experiment is nearly universally misunderstood: kids wait for the marshmallow for exactly as long as it makes sense to them to wait. If they've been brought up in an environment where delayed gratification pays off, and where the rules don't change in the meantime, and where they trust a complete stranger to tell them the truth, they wait, and otherwise they don't – why would they? But since the researchers grew up in places where it made sense to go to grad school, and where they respect authority and authority is watching out for them, and where the rules once explained didn't change, they never think about those assumptions. They just conclude that these kids have no will power.
Similarly, this GoodBooksRadio interview with Linda Tirado is excellent in explaining the rational behavior of poor people:
Tirado just came out with a book called Hand To Mouth: Living in Bootstrap America and was discussing it with Dr. John Cook, who was a fantastic interviewer. You might have come across Tirado's writing – her essay on poverty that went viral, or the backlash against that essay. She's clearly a tough cookie, a great writer, and an articulate speaker.
Among the things she explains is why poor people eat McDonalds food (it's fast, cheap, and filling), why they don't get much stuff done (their lives are filled with logistics), why they make bad decisions (stress), and, what's possibly the most important, how much harder work it is to be poor than it is to be rich. She defines someone as "rich" if they don't lease their furniture.
I'm looking forward to reading her book. As the Financial Times review says, "Hand to Mouth – written with scorching flair – should be read by every person lucky enough to have a disposable income."
Aunt Pythia's advice
Well, hello and good morning! Glad you all could make it onto Aunt Pythia's magic bus today! I've redecorated to celebrate Daylight Savings Time (or rather, the end of it):
Daylight savings time has made Aunt Pythia very happy today, because it means an extra hour for me to focus on you, you and your problems, which is what Aunt Pythia loves to do, at least on Saturday mornings, and at least when they involve sex or math (or ideally, both).
By the way, to investigate and demolish the myths around Daylight Savings Time, check out this fantastic and scientific video (best line, "waking up is like sneezing").
Before we dig in to this week's juicy questions, Aunt Pythia has an unusual request. Do you remember a couple of weeks ago, when I dragged my family apple picking? Well it turns out that a bushel of apples is A LOT OF APPLES, and I'm really very sick of apples, apple pies (current count: 9 pies made in the past 2 weeks), and apple sauce. If anyone wants some apples, swing on by and I'll hook you up. Please. Oh, and also:
please think of something interesting, reasonable, and non-apple related
to ask Aunt Pythia at the bottom of the page!
By the way, if you don't know what the hell Aunt Pythia is talking about, go here for past advice columns and here for an explanation of the name Pythia.
Dear Aunt Pythia,
I am pretty much fine with pornography, aside from instances in which women are blatantly coerced or otherwise not participating of free will.
My question pertains to the increasing prevalence of extreme porn and how it impacts real relationships. As with our news and so on, everything has become click bait. Remember back when lesbian porn was risque? Now if a girl isn't sucking a dick that was just in her ass the previous minute, it's considered sorta boring. Next thing you know, men imagine women should be doing all these things in real life.
Trying to frame a question here, how does one be generally supportive of the existence of pornography and also help men understand that she is "not doing that" without coming off like a prude? Moreover, when encountering such a man, is it better to just tell them to fuck off entirely? I cannot imagine that any man who is obsessed with the idea to jizz in my eyeball can have actual respect for me as a human being.
Wondering Tolerant Female
Dear WTF,
Great question!
But before we go there, how can you be sure someone isn't being coerced? I can't, so I prefer the animated kind of pornography, preferably Japanese, because those Japanese animators are totally perverted and awesome, and then there's really nobody being coerced. Perhaps TMI about Aunt Pythia, but since I didn't tell you which of the hundreds of subgenres of Japanese anime I'm into, you really don't know much – trust me.
Now, on to your actual question. I agree that the realm of "normal sex" has moved by more than a few notches recently. When I was in high school, there was no internet, so we actually had to steal our parent's dirty magazines and VCR tapes – lots of them – to figure stuff out. Come to think of it, at least where I came from, it really wasn't hard to come across porn, and moreover I remember it being insanely misogynistic and violent, almost always involving rape of a clearly drugged-up woman. From that vantage point the weird, rape-dominated scenes from the 1980's have been replaced by weird but consensual extreme positions of today, and I'm personally glad to make that trade.
I'm not a historian of porn, though, I so I might be getting this all wrong, and yes of course I know there's lots of very extreme stuff available nowadays as well.
In terms of respect for someone as a human being, I'm not sure we're speaking the same language. There's nothing logically inconsistent with thoroughly objectivizing a sexual partner during a sex act and then having a mutually respectful and thoughtful conversation about free will fifteen minutes later. It's all about what you've agree to, and what's fun for you.
So in other words, if you don't want to be doing this stuff, that's fine and you shouldn't agree to it, but measure someone's respect for you by how they bring up the question, not whether they want to do it. In other words, the man who doesn't respect you is the man who pushes this stuff on you without consultation, or who makes it your problem that you're not into it.
Good luck!
Aunt Pythia
Dear Aunt Pythia,
The Empire Builder (Amtrak) takes around 46 hours to reach Seattle from Chicago (if it's on time). Besides the amazing scenery, the trip offers the possibility of scintillating conversations with strangers in the Dining Car. A flight between the two cities, on the other hand, will take just 5 hours. It would be much cheaper, but would otherwise be a nondescript experience. While air travel is the pragmatic choice, the rail option underscores the point that sometimes the journey is as interesting as the destination. As I teach an informal math course to some colleagues, I often find that we are conditioned to find the shortest path to the answer. In many "toy problems" that we discuss in class, it is the path to the answer that is relevant to the real world. The actual answer is relatively inconsequential. Should math be taught differently so that it is more akin to train travel than flying? If so, what would you recommend to make math teaching more contemplative? And would these approaches be scalable, i.e., work in structured courses with larger enrollment?
Obsessive Correlator
Dear OC,
This question is also great, and has a much smaller chance of having been stolen from Savage Love.
I have often fantasized about taking a sleeper train across the country, with my whole family in tow, and meeting people in the dining car and having fascinating conversations. I've even priced it out, and it's expensive but not impossible. I got the idea from a mathematician who had traveled with his family on the Orient Express in the 1980's, which is even more fantastical (and expensive). Can you imagine getting on a train in Paris and getting off in Hong Kong? How cool would that be?
Back to your question. Why yes, I think a meandering route through mathematics would be wonderful, and is sadly almost never done. We are so obsessed with skills-based accomplishments, we rarely spend time on why we're doing something or how someone could have come up with it in the first place.
One of my few regrets of leaving Barnard is that I never had a chance to run a freshman seminar course on mathematics that I'd planned in the style of the Pythagorean Society (minus some of their crazy rules like "not picking up that which has fallen").
It is my earnest belief that every person engaged in learning mathematics is themselves a mathematician, rediscovering and rejoicing in the mathematics that has been understood by our culture for hundreds of years but by us as individuals for no time at all. We should all be treated as philosopher queens in this process, and so my idea was to do that in a wifi-blocked room, focusing on the questions we pose and how we pose them and what patterns we might find and why we'd care (or not!) about them beyond their intrinsic beauty.
Sounds great! I still wish I could do that. And I also hope that other people do that.
So here's the thing. Most people think of mathematicians as super lazy, and there's of course something to that; lots of mathematical breakthroughs are essentially proven shortcuts to long-ass calculations that go something like, "we have a collection of things, and some of them have this cool property that makes them easy to understand, and now I've proven that all of them actually have that cool property."
But at the same time, mathematicians are also the most inefficient people in the world, because they get entirely focused on abstract rules and scenarios that almost never have a concrete application to anything, and they think about the patterns they notice for hours. They are all about the meandering path, in other words. It's not a bad life, but it does take time.
Finally, to your question: when it's a small group, consider yourself a facilitator rather than a teacher. Ask questions and get people involved in the discovery. Make a silent pact with yourself that you won't explain anything directly, that you will only issue hints, and try to emphasize the beauty and truth in everyone's contributions. With a larger class it's much harder, but sometimes you can get the right atmosphere and then have people work in groups.
Good luck!
Aunt Pythia
Dear Aunt Pythia,
I'm a senior male professor in a STEM department. Here's my question. What, if anything, should I say about romantic relationships between faculty members and graduate students? In particular, what action should I take concerning a professor who has dated at least three graduate students in our department? There is no formal rule at our university against faculty/student dating, as long as the faculty member has no direct supervisory relationship with the student. What's more, there is a senior faculty member who is married to a woman he started dating when she was a graduate student here, which makes it awkward to denounce such relationships in general. And I know that Aunt Pythia herself is married to someone she met when she was a grad student and he was faculty!
So you could argue it's none of my business. But you could also argue it's rotten to put our grad students in a position of feeling like they're a captive dating pool for the single faculty members. I know that our graduate students are aware of the serial dating; no grad student has directly told me that they find it threatening or off-putting, but another faculty member (a junior woman) has told me that she thinks it's bad for the department.
What do you think, Aunt Pythia? Talk to the serial dater himself? Talk to the department chair? Or butt out and say nothing to anyone?
Tenured Professor at a Singles Bar
Dear TPaaSB,
It's true, I was a grad student and my husband was a post-doc in the same department, but I'd argue that's a bit different from his being a professor. Even so, I'd probably have dated him even if he had been, so there's that as well.
I'm not sure how much anyone can do about this, to be honest. You can make rules but then people will probably break them. Not sure if that's better.
On the one hand, you want graduate students to feel safe and not sexualized in their role as learners, and having the feeling that you might be "next in line" for this professor isn't helping. It's particularly unhelpful that he's dated three, because it is starting to seem like he is both incapable of finding women outside the department and bad at relationships. Or maybe the women all dumped him, who knows. But yes, I agree that this guy is making things weird.
On the other hand, there's a moment in your life as a man or a woman that you decide it's time to look around for a life partner, and if you're a 23-year-old woman who wants kids, like I was, then the men your age simply burst out crying in your presence from the pressure of commitment, and you end up looking for older, more stable, and more mature men that aren't intimidated by your brains and your life plans. You could look outside the department, but the problem is you spend almost all your time in the department and there are all these yummy smart nerd boys who
look great in homemade sweaters would look great in your homemade sweater, so whatareyagonnado.
In terms of advice for you, I'm going to say to keep quiet, unless you feel like the guy is actually predatory or is fucking with these women's egos or chances of graduating. If that's true, then talk to him and voice your concerns.
Readers, if you disagree, by all means chime in.
Aunt Pythia
Dear Aunt Pythia,
I just met a twenty-something hot girl online (only ten years or so younger than me); her interests (her words) are work, martinis, and rough sex (not necessarily in that order). We've met once so far, and it was everything I could have hoped for — spitting, faceslapping, and some dirty talk. But I know that the best way to great sex is though pleasing your partner, so for the next time we meet I want to step up my game. She said she was game for anything, so I want to be creative without crossing any boundaries. She was happy last time to be called a slut and a whore, but maybe there's something more original as far as dirty talk goes (for example, how can I make it more interactive by forcing her to respond in some way?) Also, she's a gorgeous BBW (mmmm), so (given the context) is calling her a fat whore a good idea? My impression is that she is naturally very confident and outspoken, so I am imagining her fantasies stem from a positive rather than negative aspect of her personality, but I really don't know…
Naughty and Salacious; Tenured Young.
Dear NaSTY,
Aahhh, the triple fantasy of spitting, faceslapping, and dirty talk. You're living the dream, buddy, there's no doubt. I mean, if you're into that kind of thing. Which you obviously are.
As far as whether she wants you to call her a "fat whore," my guess is she wouldn't be offended if you tried it. It's not like fat people don't know they're fat! We get told it every day of our lives, so turning it around and making it a good thing (erm, in this context I think it qualifies as a good thing) might be fun!
If you're worried about it, ask her before the next tryst, "hey honey, would it be ok if I call you a fat whore during sex? I find your body exquisite and it turns me on to talk about it."
Auntie P
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Tailored political ads threaten democracy
Not sure if you saw this recent New York Times article on the new data-driven political ad machines. Consider for example, the 2013 Virginia Governor campaign won by Terry McAuliffe:
…the McAuliffe campaign invested heavily in both the data and the creative sides to ensure it could target key voters with specialized messages. Over the course of the campaign, he said, it reached out to 18 to 20 targeted voter groups, with nearly 4,000 Facebook ads, more than 300 banner display ads, and roughly three dozen different pre-roll ads — the ads seen before a video plays — on television and online.
Now I want you to close your eyes and imagine what kind of numbers we will see for the current races, not to mention the upcoming presidential election.
What's crazy to me about the Times article is that it never questions the implications of this movement. The biggest problem, it seems, is that the analytics have surpassed the creative work of making ads: there are too many segments of populations to tailor the political message to, and not enough marketers to massage those particular messages for each particular segment. I'm guessing that there will be more money and more marketers in the presidential campaign, though.
Translation: politicians can and will send different messages to individuals on Facebook, depending on what they think we want to hear. Not that politicians follow through with all their promises now – they don't, of course – but imagine what they will say when they can make a different promise to each group. We will all be voting for slightly different versions of a given story. We won't even know when the politician is being true to their word – which word?
This isn't the first manifestation of different messages to different groups, of course. Romney's famous "47%" speech was a famous example of tailored messaging to super rich donors. But on the other hand, it was secretly recorded by a bartender working the event. There will be no such bartenders around when people read their emails and see ads on Facebook.
I'm not the only person worried about this. For example, ProPublica studied this in Obama's last campaign (see this description). But given the scale of the big data political ad operations now in place, there's no way they – or anyone, really – can keep track of everything going on.
There are lots of ways that "big data" is threatening democracy. Most of the time, it's by removing open discussions of how we make decisions and giving them to anonymous and inaccessible quants; think evidence-based sentencing or value-added modeling for teachers. But this political campaign ads is a more direct attack on the concept of a well-informed public choosing their leader.
Core Econ: a free economics textbook
Today I want to tell you guys about core-econ.org, a free (although you do have to register) textbook my buddy Suresh Naidu is using this semester to teach out of and is also contributing to, along with a bunch of other economists.
It's super cool, and I wish a class like that had been available when I was an undergrad. In fact I took an economics course at UC Berkeley and it was a bad experience – I couldn't figure out why anyone would think that people behaved according to arbitrary mathematical rules. There was no discussion of whether the assumptions were valid, no data to back it up. I decided that anybody who kept going had to be either religious or willing to say anything for money.
Not much has changed, and that means that Econ 101 is a terrible gateway for the subject, letting in people who are mostly kind of weird. This is a shame because, later on in graduate level economics, there really is no reason to use toy models of society without argument and without data; the sky's the limit when you get through the bullshit at the beginning. The goal of the Core Econ project is to give students a taste for the good stuff early; the subtitle on the webpage is teaching economics as if the last three decades happened.
What does that mean? Let's take a look at the first few chapters of the curriculum (the full list is here):
- The capitalist revolution
- Innovation and the transition from stagnation to rapid growth
- Scarcity, work and progress
- Strategy, altruism and cooperation
- Property, contract and power
- The firm and its employees
- The firm and its customers
Once you register, you can download a given chapter in pdf form. So I did that for Chapter 6, The firm and its employees, and here's a screenshot of the first page:
The chapter immediately dives into a discussion of Apple and Foxconn. Interesting! Topical! Like, it might actually help you understand the newspaper!! Can you imagine that?
The project is still in beta version, so give it some time to smooth out the rough edges, but I'm pretty excited about it already. It has super high production values and will squarely compete with the standard textbooks and curriculums, which is a good thing, both because it's good stuff and because it's free.


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No touring plans?
We have made the decision to forego our beloved touring plans on this trip. This is our 4th trip in 4 years so we feel pretty comfortable that we will get our must dos in. Not to mention, I have looked at the same touring plans for years on end so I know it by the back of my hand lol.
Anyway, for those that go without a touring plan, can you tell me a little about your day? Do you still figure out which rides you want to go on? The order of which to do them? Do you just pick a park, and see where you end up? Do you just stand outside and see what bus shows up first? lol What's the plan of your non-planned day?
Next trip to WDW
August 27, 2014-September 6, 2014 - hoping for CBR!
Previous trips to WDW: 1981 Poly; 1984 Poly; Mar 2001 CSR; Nov 2008 Sports AS; Dec 2010 POP Century; Aug 2011 POR; Aug 2012 CBR/POR; Aug 2013 AOA/POR; Aug 2014 POR
Previous cruises: Carnival Splendor April 2013; Disney Fantasy January 2014;
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Do you have any ADRs? What are the crowd levels predicted to be like during your stay? If no ADRs and low crowds, then go where the wind takes you!
I still think that it's only common sense to ride the headliners and/or those rides with predictably long lines first thing in the morning and to use FPs to cut wait times, too. So while you won't have a printed and laminated touring plan in your hot little hand, you'll still have a kind of plan in your head. KWIM?
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We are FL residents who were pretty much raised in Disney World. We are DVC owners as well as AP holders and we get to Disney about 4-6 times a year (short trips!). We've never used Touring Plans.
We typically decide what park we are going to in advance and discuss which things are a "must do", which things we'd like to do but don't have to do, and then talk about our "skippable" attractions. We usually don't make ADRs but if we are interested in a TS restaurant, it definitely helps to have the parks picked out beforehand!
When it comes time to actually hit the parks, we get FPs for the things that are "Must-Do's" on our list. We try to minimize our walking by "finishing" one area before moving to the next although we typically backtrack to ride our favorites multiple times.
We've always felt comfortable with our touring style and have always managed to accomplish what we want at the parks. That said, we are 2 20 somethings with no kids who are pretty flexible and aren't too disappointed if we miss or skip something.
Since you've been multiple times, you know which attractions are popular, which things you can skip, etc. It definitely helps to have that knowledge!
Best of luck!
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We decide day to day. We like lunch at LTT so that's usually a lock otherwise we figure out what we want to do in the morning. When we stay at the BW (our home DVC resort) we generally hit EPCOT a lot. Last trip we stayed at BLT so we only went to the MK. We really enjoy the evening EMH at MK so we plan for that when it's available during our stay.
I don't know anything about crowd levels. If it's too crowded when we get there, we hang in there as long as we can and leave when it gets to be too much. We are lucky in that we have gone there many times, so we have been on all the rides we want to ride and have seen all the shows. There are a few things we'll try to check out but if we can't make it work on one trip, we'll catch it next time.
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with the exception of dining ressies we have never done touring plans, just plan which park/which day around our dining then do the parks by sections hitting our favorites, never used FP or worried about timing but we always go during less crowded months not sure how this would work during peak season, have fun
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We will be in WDW same time as OP, crowd level is rather low at that time..the only time we are designated to a park is when we have rezzies, like this year we have CRT dinner rezzies and Sci-FI dinner so I know we will be at both of those parks in the evening plus those are EMH (evening) other than that we just go with the flow of what we want to do next. We also need to hit certain rides, ToT, EE, TSM, BTM, SM, but when and what time is never decided until we pretty much stumble upon the ride..
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DH and I have doen two trips together, without DS, at the end of January/beginning of February in 2011 and 2012. We are not touring plan people! For both trips, we were only in WDW for a couple of days--two park days each trip. We went in with a general plan of attack. In 2011, we had hoppers and did all four parks in those two days. So, we knew which parks we wanted to hit each day and when our dinner ADRs were. For the most part, once we entered a park, we simply picked a direction and rode the rides as we came to them. Since it was a slow time of year, we walked on just about everything. We did skip some of the usual "must see" rides (TSMM, Soarin', TT), but we didn't feel like we missed out at all and we saw A LOT.
This year, we only did MK and Epcot, no hoppers. We knew we wanted to hit Soarin and TT this time, so we headed straight to Soarin' and rode standby then over to TT to ride standby. Basically walk-ons both times since we arrived shortly after opening. After that, again, we picked a direction and rode things in the order we came to them. We did have a longer wait than I would have liked (still probably only 15 or 20 minutes) for Space Mountain, but that's because the ride went down while we were waiting. But we walked on most everything else, even without criss-crossing all over the place. We rarely even had to use FPs. I think the only things we used FP for that trip were Peter Pan and Winnie-the-Pooh...it just wasn't necessary since we were either walking on or waiting for 10 minutes or less. Oh, we did also have a couple give us their Soarin' FPs so we could ride a second time.
Our non-strategy works well for us, but we also go at slower times.
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Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Maryland
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My family and I always go in january and we never really have a set touring plan. Im usually the one who makes the group aware of the EMH so we can avoid that park (we stay off site)
We have maybe two or three ADRs during that trip so it does sway our decision on which park to do during those days. (Although we're dining with TiW this year so ill be making more just so we don't have to worry about being turned away. The first two weeks of my trip it'll be mostly my family with us. The second two weeks it'll [hopefully] be just my mom and my grandparents so we can splurge a little on dining)
For my next trip we have decided on two ADRs for the first week we're down there (since we're going the last week of the year and we know it will be super busy) other than that, ill look at different planning sites to decide which park to go to and go with my gut. We have "must dos" for all the parks...like if were going to DHS we go to TSM first thing to get fast passes...but as the day goes on we just go with the flow.
We also don't do hoppers (although ill be able to when the non hoppers aren't with us) so we pick a park ans just stay there for the day and make the best of it.
Most of the time I don't know where ill be eating lunch. Last year it was usually whatever CS we were near when we got hungry. We ate at a few new places, and that's what I love about it.
We've stumbled upon some fun things this way.
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Florida resident and Disney junkie We have never used a touring plan mostly due to the fact that we let the kids dictate our day for the most part. We usually decide the night before which park we want to go to and talk about which rides/attractions are our must do's, then we just go from there. We have found flexibility works best for our family, less stress, less limitations. Although like others have said if we have ADR's then that dictates which park we need to be in for that time and we just build that into our "non" plan.
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We've had toddlers on each trip and our upcoming trip, so touring plans didn't really work for us--toddlers are too unpredictable. We usually pick a park for each morning of the trip and make either breakfast or lunch ADRs for that park. We hit the rides that are most important for the kids (Fantasyland/Buzz, Nemo/Land/Spaceship Earth, TSMM/DISJr/Ariel, Safari/Lion King/DinoLand) and go from there. Sometimes we do more in that park, hop to another park or return for a nap after lunch. We don't make evening ADRs--we ended up cancelling many times on a previous trip due to tired toddlers or park hopping. I do use EMH and crowd calendars to guide me on what park to pick for each morning before we arrive.
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I was college program, so I know MK like the back of my hand. I am pretty familiar with the other parks as well. We never have a formal plan. We might do a little bit of planning if we want to ride a certain ride. For example, a few years ago, the kids wanted to do the Jedi Training. We did a bit of planning: rope drop at DHS, researched how it worked, etc. Same for TSM.
Otherwise, we just go to the park and have fun! It something has a long wait, we skip it or plan to come back later.
Sometimes, we don't get to do everything we want, but that's ok!
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Posts: 290
Thank goodness!
Thank goodness I found this thread! I just read another one where the people were telling about all the intricate and usually very technological ways that they planned nearly every detail of their day. I was getting worried & thinking "Am I missing out?". A strict touring plan doesn't suit my style at all. I got a book that had a bunch of touring plans in it, thinking it'd be a good idea (we've never been to WDW) and when I look at it it makes me feel all constrained...sheesh, it's supposed to be my vacation!
The plan that seems to work for me on trips is to be as familiar as possible with what a place has to offer and all the details of where, when and how much and then go from there. Structure with flexibility. I hit the A and B list stuff first and then anything else is gravy.
Thanks, everyone - I feel more relaxed now that I've read your posts!
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I nver use a touring plan. However, I do plan out which parks I will visit on each day. Usually one in the a.m. another for p.m. with a break in between. I always use PH as well. I also plan which parks I'll be in so I can make sure I fit in Wishes, F! and Illuminations. I also make ADRs so this can impact the park schedule.
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We've been to WDW every year for the past 7 years during value season and never used a touring plan. When my DD was younger I tried to map out my own version of a touring plan but now that we've been so many times we just go with the flow and get park hoppers so we can change our minds.
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