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Monday, 24th September, 2012, 05:00 AM #1
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Playtest Update
Letâ??s check in with Mike to see where things are and where things are going with the playtest.
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Monday, 24th September, 2012, 06:22 AM #2
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When he says he wants to address healing, it worries me--it almost sounds like he says that players have too much healing, and that's making combat less dangerous. No, the reason combat isn't dangerous is simply because monsters cannot reliably hit a player. It should take multiple hits to bring a player down, there aren't very many people who want to see their character hit the floor with a single die roll, I think. It's just monsters aren't very likely to get multiple hits because of low accuracy. More importantly, the tension I like to see in combat is often created by HP totals going up and down mid-fight, which is only possible if there is enough healing to go around. There's that tension in the moment where someone drops, but the cleric just barely manages to get them back on their feet before they die. I think both higher HP and higher monster damage/accuracy would help me regain this feel.
Remember healing surges?There are still a lot of issues with the Hit Die mechanic, cleric healing, and death and dying. Id like to create a simple, easy, scalable mechanic that tackles these issues.
Monday, 24th September, 2012, 06:24 AM #3
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The only point I think I disagree on is the warlock and sorcerer under "what went wrong." These we're by far my favorite additions. I hope the "solution" here involves revealing more sorcerous origins and warlock attack powers so people feel that eldritch blasting isn't your only option as a warlock and gish isn't the only sorcerer build.
Monday, 24th September, 2012, 06:25 AM #4
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Looks like they are acknowledging their idea that the Wizard MUST be Vancian was a giant mistake. Perhaps through the Tradition system they can make an AEDU Wizard, a Spell Point Wizard, and a full Vancian Wizard.
Monday, 24th September, 2012, 07:12 AM #5
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My communities:
Instead of giving the wizard extra hit points, which makes him feel "tough," maybe give him a free reaction 'shield' cantrip to block 2 points of damage (maybe scales by level), usable once per day.
Maybe have a few options -- "force shield" for standard mages that can block spells and missiles, "burning barrier" for fire mages that burns the attacker if it blocked a melee attack, "wind barrier" the can redirect a ranged attack if the shield blocks all the damage, etc.
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Monday, 24th September, 2012, 07:39 AM #6
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I agree that never getting hit or getting knocked down in one shot are not fun. Those hp are there to get used!
I also liked the way that healing surges made hp a strategic resource rather than just a number that went up and down in 4th; where second wind was a real strategic option (except for Dwarves!). But how can healing surges or some alternative be made more acceptable by the broader D&D players?
Monday, 24th September, 2012, 09:49 AM #7
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Monday, 24th September, 2012, 09:58 AM #8
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I don't much care for surge mechanics. HD healing is as close as I want to get to it. Since Mearls didn't specify what the problem is I think we should wait and see what the real issue is.
As far as I can see in my few sessions with the rules there isn't any problem with healing. Hit points are fine and if I had a couple of near deaths I could speak to the dying rules too, but alas my group is quite capable of avoiding death especially since the monsters can't actually fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
Other than this I agree pretty much with the summary of the playtest so far. There's a problem when your players are yawning during a fight. Adjusting attack bonuses helped a lot. I went with adding one to the monsters and subtracting one point from the players. It helped, but if I could have gotten rid of the arbitrary +2 entirely I would have been much happier.
I'm also happy to hear that damage from attacks is getting the knife so to speak. I am also happy to learn that the sneak attack is being rethought as well as skill mastery.
Monday, 24th September, 2012, 10:07 AM #9
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My overall reaction is *sigh*.
I honestly think that the designers need to spend periods of contemplation in which they don't read any feedback. So many of the comments aren't constructive, but rather 'change this to how it is in this edition, I like that more'. We'll never find any compromises, any novel solutions, if we just flip back and forth between 3E and 4E.
On Wizard hitpoints he suggests they might get some more, when the real problem is the balance of HP/damage across the whole system right now. So many people don't want strict daily spellcasting, so they're throwing out the tradition to encompass every possible casting method into one class - what a mess that is going to be. On the flip side, there's the blind acceptance of expertise dice as *the* solution for the Fighter - no sign of a unified mechanic for physical combat, no caution that maybe people would have been excited by *any* system that wasn't just hit and repeat.
And that last section? Good god that's terrible analysis. Is there a correlation between those that think there are too few HP and those who think monsters are too weak? They seem like consistent desires to me, getting hit a bit more often but not going down in one hit. That sort of tension sucks. Losing half your HP in one hit, that seems about right to me.
I'd love to have the survey numbers to play with. WotC have shown consistently poor mathematical ability, and they should really be accounting for the types of players answering the surveys. For instance, if 90% of respondents prefer 4E over any other edition, and 60% of respondents want healing surges, you've got to be wary of bias - that is, if you truly want to recapture some of the old player base.
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Monday, 24th September, 2012, 12:14 PM #10
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Where I agree is, that they should do their thing... but all in all, they are doing it. The flipping between 3e and 4e and 2e or whatever seems to be more or less intentional to see, where the preferences lie.
For me, the current hp system is not so bad. I however agree, that damage is generally a bit to high. Mostly, because everyone has a high static modifier to damage, because of the way to-hit and damage are linked (finesse weapons do a lot of damage if they are wielded by tiny dextrous but weak creatures)
So, whatever they do with healing and hp. Neither 3e nor 4e system, nor the current 5e system is perfect, but all of them work more or less for me. I however felt the hp in the first playtest not threatening enough for a first level experience.
But IF we get the first level divided into sublevels for multiclass, I could accept a higher starting hp for those "1st" level characters, as there would be an option to start lower, if you really want...


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A former lab technician, Priebe combined his passions in his homemade Iron Man Laser Gauntlet, which fires two blue 1.2W lasers as well as two 4mW lasers for aiming. While he's excited about the third installment of the film series, he says he has no plans to create a full Iron Man suit.
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A list of selected Scott Horton interviews
Okay, if you haven't heard/seen yet, you gotta catch this:
A live television programme in Jordan descended into chaos, with a politician threatening an opponent with a gun. The debate between MP Mohammad Shawabka and political activist Mansour Murad became heated after the two men traded insults with each other. No shots were fired and no-one was seriously hurt.
Of course a similar thing happened in Greece just a few weeks ago. This is what happens when too many people forget.
And let's not miss the opportunity to unmask the true gravity of the political class.
Clayton -
Global warming tied to risk of weather extremes
India: Enough about Higgs, let's discuss the boson
Health care options for young, healthy and broke
Social site Formspring hacked, passwords leaked
Study: Sept. 11 most memorable TV moment
Ky. woman fights porn companies' anti-piracy suits
Electric rates not falling along with fuel costs
FBI to review lab work on thousands of convictions
Gadhafi's divisive policies still haunt Libya
Romney faces NAACP, booed for hitting 'Obamacare'
Mr. Molyneux Responds
War Is Too Easy, but a Draft Is Not the Solution
Thomas Andrews Drake, Whistle Blower and Patriot
The United States
The future:
Documents conflict on when Romney left Bain
Thousands fall victim to utility payment scam
Paterno's legacy may now be damaged beyond repair
Penn State probe accuses Paterno of cover-up
US piles more sanctions on Iran
Showtime kills with 'Dexter' tease at Comic-Con
10 Baffling Romance Tips from the Sociopaths at Fox News
Wars Have Unpredictable and Dangerous Collateral Effects
I kinda like this guy
Barry Cooper vs the idiots at fox news!
How'd he keep his cool with all those FAUX harpies? She compared him to NAMBLA?? Seriously???
Adam Kokesh on Joe Rogan's podcast:
You might remember back a few months ago when the video of the Kelly Thomas murder by a bunch of California thugs with guns and badges was finally released...a year after it happened.
I just came across Adam Carolla from when the incident was recent...
lol@"they're not racist assholes, they're asshole-assholes"
Rupert Murdoch on What is Really Behind the LIBOR "Scandal"
Whoa, Koch Brothers Finally Make the Big Time
How to Deal with Government: Become a Libertarian Bitch
Thou Shall Not Commit Logical Fallacies
Ron Paul Will Speak at Official Rally, But Not at Paul Festival
14 Incredibly Creepy Surveillance Technologies That Big Brother Will Be Using To Spy On You
Rahm Emanuel to LBJ's Great Grand Kids: Do Your Shooting in the Alleys
A Mysterious and Beautiful Woman Confronts Paul Krugman about Inflation
San Bernardino Becomes Third California City Seeking Bankruptcy
Josh Barro's and David Frum's Pathetic Attack on Austrian Economics
Zuckerberg's Early Mastery of Computer Science
Bumping Up Against the Police State
Interventionists Launch New "Economic Communications War Room"
More on Being a "Libertarian Bitch"
Government Regulation is Resulting in the Shortage of One of the Most Abundant Elements
@Being a libertarian bitch: If you found a pile of "the government's" cash lying on the side of the street, I think the right thing to do with it would be to pocket it and never tell anyone (and of course, spend it). You certainly should not turn it over to the government. If you could find a way to literally steal piles of cash from the government without the government's knowledge, ditto.
But, on balance, I don't think this logic extends. For example, I see people buying electric or hybrid vehicles in order to qualify for tax breaks. This is idiotic. You should never "take the carrot" unless it was already in your interests (and how can buying an overpriced, gutless piece of junk with limited range possibly already have been in your interest??)
Do the paperwork to minimize your taxes, of course, but I think you need to try to free up as much mental/physical energy as you can to route around "the System" completely. The government has created a million different carrot-and-stick routines and the more involved you get with playing their game, the less you're thinking about what your natural interests are without respect to the State's table-tilting. And the more of your time and energy you spend altering your plans to qualify for tax breaks, handouts or free lunches at government expense, the less time and energy you have to think about much more important issues, like how you can earn cash income untraceably, how to store and spend it safely, etc.
Erratum: "Jewish New Year begins on the Spring equinox."
I was smoking crack when I wrote that... or something. I edited it out of my follow-up posts but then a mod deleted those and posted this instead. Which I can't now edit. *sigh
The Keynesian Myth about World War II and Prosperity
A Libertarian Solution to Stop the Violence on the South Side of Chicago
Romney May Have Committed Felony Lying about Role with Bain
Cato Disgraces Itself AGAIN
George Selgin's Balls-Out, Over-the-Top Ferocious Attack on Rothbardian Banking Theory (we get a mention!!)
Hillary Clinton Has Plane, Will Stir Up Trouble (I mostly just liked the title)
The Richest Woman in Silicon Valley Is...
The Amazing Knott's Berry Farm Story
A Movie Really Needs to be Made Out of...this
Buffett Says Muni Bankruptcies Set To Climb
Oh Boy, A Letter from a Chicago Resident about the South Side
Are Bureaucrats Losing Control in America?
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The Mysterious and Beautiful Woman Has Contacted Me
This is What a San Francisco Taxi Cab Ride Feels Like (video of the month)
Upcoming on the Robert Wenzel Show
Updates on the Pauls...
Rand Paul Has Turned 'End the Fed' Into 'End the Moneybombs'
The Senate (Including Rand Paul) Vote to Extend $9 Billion in Loan Guarantees for the Benefit of Israel
Rand Paul Cozies Up to the Neocons and AIPAC
An Email from Ron Paul
Rand Paul Remains Silent on $9 Billion Dollar Giveaway to Israel
Ron Paul: Romney Campaign Scared to Let Me Speak at GOP Convention
Ron Paul: My Supporters Wouldn't be Okay with Condoleezza Rice
Peter Schiff debates communist bimbo on student debt
h/t Scott Lazarowitz's Blog
I'm really liking this guy more and more...
by Stephan Kinsella on July 10, 2012
Adam Kokesh, as noted in the post excerpted below, delivers a great short talk on IP. Related:
Adam Kokesh beautifully discerns and dismantles the numerous flaws surrounding intellectual property, as interpreted and enforced by the government, and the very negative role intellectual property has in limiting market competition and societal advancement. As Adam explains, intellectual property indeed does not help the "little guy," it actually puts precisely the "little guy" at a severe disadvantage to corporate giants and those with the lawyers and resources to use arbitrary government intellectual property and patent laws (backed by government force, as with all laws) as a dangerous tool to reduce and/or prevent competition (and innovation).
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Butler Shafer really knocks one out of the park on LRC...
Microsoft revamps Office for tablets, Internet
FDA approves first pill to help prevent HIV
Study: Viewers turning to YouTube as news source
Review: Batman series ends as epic letdown
Repealing Obama's health care law won't be easy
Uniform Nonsense
CNN on the Iran threat
Syria, The Movie: Monsters and Defectors
ACLU Files Brief Opposing Warrantless GPS Searches
Regulation: Private Versus Public. This Week in Liberty, Episode 4. Guest: Rob (Autolykos)
They're out there...
The Anarch is to the Anarchist what the Monarch is to the Monarchist.
-Ernst Jünger
Google and the Council on Foreign Relations are teaming up.
"Drug cartels, money launderers and human traffickers run their sophisticated operations online — and Google Ideas, Google's think tank, is working with the Council on Foreign Relations and other organizations to look for ways to use technology to disrupt international crime."
Google search turns to human traffickers, drug cartels: Company's think tank looks for ways to use technology to disrupt international crime
Secret API, anyone?
To paraphrase Marc Faber: We're all doomed, but that doesn't mean that we can't make money in the process.
Rabbi Lapin: "Let's make bricks!"
Stephan Kinsella: "Say you and I both want to make a German chocolate cake."
Guess it's not so secret now. :-P
gotta love the "Conservative" non-answers:
She really seems to be in favor of "looking" at things. "Looking" at things is definitely one thing she's for, that we can be sure of.
'fraud. why the great recession' | one hour documentary produced by Jesús Huerta de Soto. Also includes Philipp Bagus
"Not enough people are paying taxes in this country" - The Republican Party
Well, at least we know who our enemies are :p
Impressive presentation!
What I would really like to see is a presentation that sets the growth in government spending and debt side-by-side with a "typical" American worker born in, say, 1930 and just follow him from his entry to the workforce right after WWII until his retirement and eventual death - his income and net worth will have grown over his lifetime but not nearly as rapidly as the government's spending and debt.
And, visually, I'd like to see it presented in a way that allows the viewer to keep track of his position in the sliding scale of monetary devaluation. One of the most insidious aspects of the continual inflation of the money supply is that people become desensitized to the fiscal irresponsibility of the government. It all just recedes into the background noise of the "natural and continuous rise in prices." Here's an example of how a continually increasing scale can be presented in a visual form that the viewer can "sense" in his mind's eye. I'm thinking of putting the four variables side-by-side: income, net-worth of a "typical" American worker over the duration of his lifetime versus the spending and debt of the Federal government over the same duration. 1930-present might be a good time-scale.
John James:"Looking" at things is definitely one thing she's for, that we can be sure of.
Well, I don't know. I mean, we're probably safe saying that she's not against it (as she's not completely against anything), but I don't think you're right as you've written it. Nadda mean?
One thing is for true: the interviewer has more patience than I; how difficult is it to understand that he was asking if the government should protect people from theft? She does have a point at around 6:00 though, about it not being a fair comparison between an armed robber and the government. After all, the robber will take the money and run; the government is an institutional robber and will rob as much as it can.
Ah yes! The 'best interest' defense!
If I had a cake and ate it, it can be concluded that I do not have it anymore. HHH
Rotten Tomatoes suspends comments on 'Dark Knight'
Larry King debuts online talk show on Hulu website
100 Ways Mitt Romney Is Just Like Barack Obama
Inept stenographers
Ex-CIA agent: Roswell, N.M., incident really happened
It's True: Corporations Are People
Jack Welch is Wrong
For insurers, hiring their own crew is worth the cost. They spend thousands on well-equipped, federally rated firefighters, potentially saving hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars to replace a home and its contents.
For insurers, hiring their own crew is worth the cost. They spend thousands on well-equipped, federally rated firefighters, potentially saving hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars to replace a home and its contents.
I thought that Larry King was dead.
He did but they reanimated his skeleton.
Wheylous:"Not enough people are paying taxes in this country" - The Republican Party
Well, at least we know who our enemies are :p
ThatOldGuy: John James:"Looking" at things is definitely one thing she's for, that we can be sure of.Well, I don't know. I mean, we're probably safe saying that she's not against it (as she's not completely against anything), but I don't think you're right as you've written it. Nadda mean?
Not unless you're making a joke. I was just poking fun at the way that's basically the only thing she said she was in favor of..."looking" at stuff. It's like advocating "awareness". (How do you criticize "looking into" a program or policy?) It kind of encapsulates the entire non-answer MO of "conservatives". The progressives at least get to be a tiny bit more forthcoming, because everyone knows they're in favor of more government, so they can basically come right out and advocate government growth.
Republicans have to be much more vague about it because they need to keep up the charade of "small government/ constitutionality, etc." So you get all this talk about cutting spending, and reducing the debt, but never any specifics about what would be cut or reduced.
Basically a bunch of generalized statements that essentially no one could argue with..."cut down on waste, fraud, and abuse"...or "we need to take a 'serious look' at xyz."
She no doubt fits right in as editor of TownHall.com
ThatOldGuy:One thing is for true: the interviewer has more patience than I; how difficult is it to understand that he was asking if the government should protect people from theft? She does have a point at around 6:00 though, about it not being a fair comparison between an armed robber and the government. After all, the robber will take the money and run; the government is an institutional robber and will rob as much as it can.
He's used to it. He's been doing this for decades. Check out his channel.
*can't remember the basics of the mandate*...*sigh*...*head in hands, rub face*..."I should probably go re-read the bill."
The douchbaggery is unreal. He's a better youtube loser stereotype than Mitt Romney is a politician stereotype.
In my inter-dimensional travels through the interwebs, I stumbled across this book which looks like it may be interesting to state-skeptics and just thought I'd share the reference.
Canadians now richer than Americans
Pretty funny stuff here:
I posted this in a previous LC thread. I found it absolutely terrifying. They're seriously proposing a worldwide democracy. Seriously? Are they completely fucking insane??
I didn't realize that this was a repost. I think their message of democracy is more metaphorical than anything. Still, this is a very naive view of the world.


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So even when a quiet environment is required, you can still listen to high resolution music. Your headphones can also run through the tube stage so you can enjoy that smooth tube sound in solitude. Galvanic Isolation: All digital inputs with grounds are galvanically isolated which prevents electrical noise from entering the DAC board on all grounded digital inputs. Any contamination due to the switching power supply, multiple ground points, and high speed processing is isolated from the DAC so nothing but pure 1's and 0's reach the DAC circuit. Colors: The Peachtree Nova.Pre is available in a rosewood, high gloss black, or cherry finish. Controls Power On/Off Switch: The main power switch is located on the rear-panel of the Nova.Pre. Once the main power switch has been turned on, you can power on/off the Nova.Pre from the front-panel power button or remote control. Volume Control: The front-panel volume control is motorized from the remote control and has a button indicator to allow the user to see levels from a distance. Input Selector: There are 5 input selector push-buttons (USB, Coax 1, Coax2, Opt, Aux) on the front-panel of the Peachtree Audio Nova.Pre. Remote Control: The Peachtree Audio Nova/Pre includes an IR remote control for wireless operation of the preamplifier/DAC. Connections 24-Bit/192kHz Asynchronous USB Input: The Peachtree Audio Nova.Pre is equipped with a USB (type-B) port to connect to your computer. This 24-bit/192kHz Asynchronous USB Input provides the best possible resolution, which furthers the efforts of the ESS Sabre DAC. Asynchronous communication allows a high precision clock inside the Nova.Pre to control the timing of the bitstream from the computer to the DAC. This further keeps jitter at bay by not relying on the less precise audio clock in the computer. Note: To maximize performance from our asynchronous USB technology, the Nova.Pre requires installation of a USB driver on your computer. Download the correct driver for your computer's operating system here Optical Digital Input: The Peachtree Nova.Pre is equipped with a single optical (toslink) digital input for connecting an external digital audio source, such as a CD or DVD player. The optical digital input is 24-bit/96kHz capable. Coax Digital Inputs: The Peachtree Nova.Pre is equipped with two coaxial (RCA) digital inputs for connecting external digital audio sources, such as a CD and DVD player. Both coaxial digital inputs are 24-bit/192kHz capable. Analog Audio Input: The Nova.Pre is fitted with a set of unbalanced stereo RCA inputs to connect to an analog source. Pre Outputs: The two pair of unbalanced RCA preamp-out connections allow you to connect an external amp to the Peachtree Audio Nova.Pre, and can also be used to connect a powered subwoofer. Variable RCA Stereo Output: 7V RMS/11.2V Peak Pre Output Impedance: 50-ohm (Pre Out 1), 15-ohm (Pre Out 2) Headphone Output: The Nova.Pre utilizes a front-panel 1/4" headphone input which mutes the speakers when headphones are plugged in. 12V Trigger: The 12-volt trigger (3.5mm) automatically turns on your connected power amplifier from the Nova.Pre. Detachable Power Cord: The Peachtree Audio Nova.Pre comes with a 5' detachable AC power cord. Review this product Submit a review and then enter to win a $500 rewards card Peachtree novaPre Reviews Average Customer Review: 6 people say: Review this product: Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences about this product. Please be sure to focus your comments on the product itself. Read our Review Guidelines for more information. Review title * Email Your email won't be visible. Please use the email address that is associated with your order. 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We reserve the right (but are not obligated to) review all submissions and edit or remove any review in any manner which we deem necessary. Your review should be posted within seven days. Filter by rating: 5 Star: (0) 4 Star: (0) 3 Star: (0) 2 Star: (0) 1 Star: (0) 5 out of 5 Must have product for digital libraries Written By Joe, Cleveland on Sunday, October 12, 2014 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) Great all around preamp and DAC. Particularly strong at bringing out the best in compressed music from iTunes. Two preouts allow a subwoofer and an analogue aux input allows traditional source hookups. If you're running all digital sources skip the analogue preamp and go straight to this. Pros: Very clear, clean sound that makes an immediate improvement over an integrated amp. Cons: No tone controls, but that may also contribute to the clear signal. Was this review helpful? Yes | No 5 out of 5 Absolute best bang for the buck Written By Jonathan, Buffalo,mo on Monday, February 17, 2014 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) I love this product. The peachtree nova pre coupled with the 220 is more power then I need at a price I can afford. Shop around people, but at the end of the day your coming back to peachtree! This unit delivers clear crisp tone at any volume with little to no distortion. I was skeptical at first at a product that was thousands less than its competition but very pleased with it. And Crutchfield has been very helpful as well with knowledgable staff that were easy to deal with and a pleasure to do business with. Thanks guys! Pros: Clear as a bell at any volume, crisp tone, ample hard hitting bass Cons: Hard to hook to digital devices that don't support the drivers. Was this review helpful? Yes | No 5 out of 5 An Amazing Preamp For Us Digital Folk Written By Dave Z, Rockland County, NY on Wednesday, September 04, 2013 If you're largely digital like me, there doesn't seem to be many good quality preamps with enough digital inputs out there. The novaPre allows me to connect my Mac mini audio server, Marantz CD5004, and Marantz NA7004 network media player, and still leave room for future expansion with USB and analog RCA connections. The preamp works very nicely with my Marantz MM7025, which powers a pair of MartinLogan ElectroMotion ESL speakers. Dead quiet when cranked up. Two sets of outputs (for the amp and subwoofer) are welcome, but I don't know the difference between "class A" and "op amp" and have no clue if I'm utilizing them correctly. There is no LFE output option. Build quality is excellent and it has a stylish look. It does stand out from all the all-black components on a black stereo rack -- not sure if that's good or not. Also, speaking of looks, the window showing the vacuum tube looks cool, but I honestly hear no difference when the tube is bypassed. Perhaps my ears aren't good enough. Pros: Sounds great, accommodates all my equipment, good sounding DAC. Cons: Value of tube is questionable. 1 out of 1 people found this helpful Was this review helpful? Yes | No 5 out of 5 Fascinating Written By Chatte, Birmingham AL on Sunday, March 17, 2013 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) A novice to sophisticated audio devices but not to good music, this device brings my varied collection of diverse genres to life in a way I have not experienced for 33 years. Paired with the Peachtree 220 and Definitive Technology Studio Monitor 65s and ProSub1000s, this is truly a beautiful experience. Pros: Exceptional performance Cons: I miss the tone controls. I miss the balance control. I have a cassette deck and a phono turntable and I miss a set of extra line in inputs. But this is trivial when compared to the overall performance and the price. 1 out of 1 people found this helpful Was this review helpful? Yes | No 4 out of 5 Output voltage, input sensitivity and all that jazz Written By CMOT, Pittsburgh PA on Saturday, January 19, 2013 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) First of all, given my listening modes, a preamp + DAC made sense. I compared several. However, it turns out that a rarely discussed issue - output voltage of the preamp and input sensitivity of the amp - make all the difference in how things will sound together. Although many standard preamps have reasonably high output voltages, most preamps + DACs do not - seems that they typically take a good DAC plus good headphone amp and figure out how to get a few volts out of the RCA outputs as well. The Peachtree is different. It provides a very significant gain boost in the preamp stage (I think something like 7V output through the RCAs). Whatever it is, it was the only preamp + DAC that didn't sound thin with little in the way of dynamics. That is, it can drive my amp quite nicely while the others couldn't - my amp has a low sensitivity (meaning it expects a high voltage - at least nominally 2.5 V). So it sounds great with the Peachtree (interestingly I have seen a few for sale, the reason for the sale being that they provided too much gain for their amp - probably an amp with a more typical high sensitivity of around 1 V). I like the basic simplicity of the thing as well and it definitely improved the sound from my CD player relative to the lower-quality DAC the CD player uses. My only "issue" is that I have been listening carefully and I have pretty good ears I think, yet I can't hear *any* difference with the tube in or out. The second set of op-amp driven RCA is also confusing Pros: Good sound, lots of gain, simple, clear controls Cons: Tube needed or for show? Two sets of outputs, one Class A, one op-amp driven. Why? More should be said. Silver face only. 5 out of 5 people found this helpful Was this review helpful? Yes | No 5 out of 5 Excellent Written By Tom, Catlettsburg, KY on Saturday, October 13, 2012 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) Excellent. Paired with a Marantz MM7025 2 channel amp and a pair of B&W 683s. Dead quiet to control chaos depending on the track. Using computer USB, Digital coaxial from CD player and Optical from an Apple Airport Express to stream. All sources have excellent sound quality. Would be the same combo again. 5 out of 5 people found this helpful Was this review helpful? Yes | No 1 question already asked Hi. How do I hook up my ipad to this preamp? Thanks! Tony [ Tony Jul 20, 2014 ] 2 answers Does Peachtree make an app for the iPad to control their unit? If not, I don't know if it is possible to execute your idea. Does the Peachtree unit have wireless capability? [ DAVID W Jul 28, 2014 ] Since your iPad or iPhone or any other divice that does not support drivers, don't support drivers, you have to use the headphone jack and go directly to the aux ports. I hear that there is a blue tooth option but I'm not familiar with it [ Jonathan Jul 22, 2014 ] Add accessories for the Peachtree novaPre Add Accessories Add a Warranty Transfer the digital audio signal from your source to your new preamp. See all categories & accessories Transfer the digital audio signal from your source to your new preamp. Coaxial Digital Cables Connect your compatible audio source to your new preamp. Optical Digital Cables Connect your computer audio-based devices to your new preamplifier. USB Cables Premium audio cables help deliver premium sound quality. RCA Audio Patch Cables Protect your investment from power surges and interference. 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After this approval City Manager Pat Crook can send out requests for qualifications and requests for proposals. The building process, however, will not follow the well-known method of designing the project, bidding out that project and then building. Instead, to speed the process, Crook said she would follow the design-build process, which involves a contractor working with the designer throughout the process.
"When you hire a team, a design-build team ... usually midway through the design they bring in the construction partner to have input in to minimize the change orders, and then you arrive at a guaranteed maximum price, which minimizes the change orders," Crook said. "Then [comes] that process of negotiating the scope of work and the price and that kind of thing, and [you] negotiate the schedule."
In the process of selecting a design-build team, Crook said the city would require the firm to have experience in working with buildings like city hall — those connected to other businesses.
"Obviously this is a different kind of project because we are in the downtown area and we're attached to other businesses. We need to make sure there is as little disruption as possible and that this group gets in and gets out. This is the quickest method to do this," Crook said.
While Crook could not provide an exact completion date, she believed the entire project could last up to 18 months. She confirmed, however, that construction would be scheduled around the Great Locomotive Chase Festival so the renovation would not interfere with the celebration.
City hall will relocate during the renovation as well. Although a specific location has not been chosen yet, Crook believed the city could place a mobile building next to the city's drive-through on Main Street, as residents know where it is located and the city already owns the property.
The city council also approved the appointments of Jean Couch, Susan Gilmore, Alicia Cline and Janice Pulliam to the Downtown Development Authority.
After its votes, the council heard from Ken Miller, who spoke to the council about a friend's difficulties in dealing with Comcast. He said his friend, who is in her 70s, lost her cable, Internet and phone service after Comcast failed to realize she had paid her bill. Miller also said the company sent a check back to him with a note asking for another payment since the check was torn in half.
Although Adairsville has no contract with Comcast, Miller asked the city to end any agreement it has with the company.
Gloria Curtis then spoke to the council on a number of subjects. She asked the council to consider reducing the amount her neighbors pay for their streetlights, fix at least three potholes on Poplar Springs Road — she said she would mark them with white spray paint — and install children-at-play signs along Poplar Springs Road.
Crook said she and Community Development Director Ben Skipper would attend the next neighborhood watch meeting so they could explain the city's new streetlight district ordinance and have interested residents sign a petition.
Other city council business included:
• Approving a malt beverage retail package license for change in manager to James Alexander Warren.
• Approving the 2012 budget for confiscated funds, which is approximately $25,000.
• Awarding a bid to Lanier Construction to replace the foot and gate valves at Lewis Spring in the sum of $11,800.
The Adairsville City Council's next meeting is scheduled for Feb. 12 at 7 p.m. at city hall.


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text: Bowers & Wilkins P3 (Factory Refurbished) Portable, folding on-ear headphones with in-line remote and microphone (White) Zoom White Black Photos Videos Item #: 749P3WR Review Summary 5 people say In Stock Free Crutchfield lifetime tech support Free Shipping Factory Refurbished Price Loading... $159.99 Available options: Black-$159.99 White-$159.99 Blue-$159.99 Add to cart + Add to wishlist Email me alerts for this product Buy this item and earn up to 160 Rewards points See more offers and ways to save Special Financing Available x By buying this product you'll earn up to 160 Rewards points. When you sign up for a Crutchfield account, you'll be enrolled in Crutchfield Rewards. You'll earn one point for every dollar you spend on gear from us. You can turn your points into Rewards Cards that you can use toward future purchases. You can sign up for an account now, or after you complete your purchase (you'll get credit for the points either way). Sign up for a Crutchfield account Overview Details Customer Reviews Q&A Articles & Videos Accessories Our take on the Bowers & Wilkins P3 (Factory Refurbished) by Dave Bar Save with these factory-refurbished P3 headphones Here's a chance to get a great deal on Bowers & Wilkins headphones. These factory-refurbished P3 on-ear headphones have undergone rigorous testing to ensure they meet Bowers & Wilkins' strict quality standards for both sonic performance and mechanical integrity. They're repacked in special packaging, complete with all documentation. Best of all, they come with a full 2-year factory warranty, so you can buy them with confidence. Lightweight portables with full, natural sound Leave it to Bowers & Wilkins to create elegant-yet-sturdy headphones capable of providing remarkably natural, detailed sound for listening on the go. The B&W P3 slimline headphones fit lightly and snugly on your head, then fold up to stow away in your pocket or inside the included protective carrying case. Their featherweight design makes them a joy to take with you everywhere. Read more Designed for comfort and great sound The P3's acoustically damped, laminate mylar drivers and powerful neodymium magnets easily deliver high-impact sound with virtually any portable music player. Their soft, breathable fabric-coated earcups use memory foam to conform to the shape of your ears for hours of listening comfort. The noise-isolating, closed-back design keeps the outside world where it belongs while allowing just enough ambient sound in to keep you in touch with your surroundings. And because the noise reduction is passive, no batteries or active electronics are ever needed. Built-in controls for iPod®, iPhone®, and iPad® A remote built into the headphone cable lets you conveniently control music playback without having to dig your iPod® or iPhone® out of your pocket. You can even take calls on your iPhone hands-free, thanks to the in-line microphone. The removable headphone cord attaches to just one earcup, so you won't have to deal with tangles. From the review Bowers & Wilkins P3 headphones: from skepticism to enthusiasm "On the whole, I was surprised by how much I enjoyed wearing these headphones, and just how convenient and low-impact they were... I was thoroughly enjoying listening to my music on the P3s. The Bowers & Wilkins P3 headphones are a clear winner for those who like to enjoy their music while on the move." — Woody Sherman, Crutchfield A/V Writer Highlights:folding portable on-ear headphones with closed back, noise isolating designin-line remote to control playback and adjust volume on iPod, iPad, and iPhonebuilt-in microphone on remote for receiving calls on an iPhonecustom-made, ultra-light acoustic fabric earpad covers30mm Mylar® diaphragms and ultra linear neodymium magnets for clear, detailed soundfrequency response: 10-20,000 Hzimpedance: 34 ohmssensitivity: 111 dB/V at 1kHz2 cables included:detachable straight cord with stereo mini plugs (3.5mm on player end, 2.5mm on headphone)detachable mic/remote control cord with stereo mini plugs (3.5mm on player end, 2.5mm on headphone) for use with iPod, iPhone, and iPadprotective carrying case includedweight: 4.6 ounceswarranty: 2 yearsOur 60-day money-back guarantee Hands-on research from the Crutchfield Labs (what are the Labs?) Features and specs chart | What's in the box? | In-depth notes Features and Specs General Fit Style On-ear Earcup Type Closed Noise-canceling No Bluetooth No Frequency Response 10-20k Hz Sensitivity 111 dB Impedance 34 Ohms Weight 4.6 ounces Cord Length 48" Airline Adapter Included No iPod Control Yes Volume Control Yes Built-in Microphone Yes Parts Warranty 2 Years Labor Warranty 2 Years Product Research What's in the box? Refurbished On-ear headphones Detachable 4' headphone cable with in-line remote and mic terminated by a male 3.5mm connector on one end and two male 2.5mm connectors on other end (installed) Detachable 4' headphone cable with two male 2.5mm connectors on on one end and a male 3.5mm connector on other end Carrying case Instruction booklet Quickstart Safety Instructions/Warranty Our Product Research Team At Crutchfield, you'll get detailed, accurate information that's hard to find elsewhere. That's because we have our own in-house Product Research team — they open the box, verify contents, check the owner's manual, and record dimensions, features and specs. We stay on top of new products and technologies to help people make informed choices. Features Mylar Diaphragms w/ Neodymium Magnets: Behind the Bowers & Wilkins P3's natural sound are specially developed ultra-linear neodymium magnets and highly optimized Mylar diaphragms to keep music sounding rich, pure, and incredibly detailed; with no need for artificial adjustments. Closed Back Design: A closed-back design, with rigid metal faceplates and bespoke fabric covered ear pads, ensures that all the detail and dynamic range of your music is kept intact, while preserving just enough ambient sound to give you a sense of place. On-Ear Fit w/ Adjustable Headband: The P3 headphones fit lightly and snugly on your head thanks to its on-ear design and adjustable headband. Detachable Headphone Cables: The P3s are supplied with two cables, one of which provides extra functionality for select Apple iPod and iPhone models. The ear pads are magnetically attached, and can be quickly removed to swap the supplied cables (one cable with in-line iPod/iPhone remote, one cable without remote). The included cables feature a male 3.5mm connector and are compatible with any device with a 3.5mm headphone output. iPod/iPhone Control: The Bowers & Wilkins P3 headphones feature an iPod/iPhone-approved cable with an in-line remote and microphone, for easy speech and device control. The "Made for iPod/iPhone" cable allows easy control of an iPod (these include track switching and volume control), and the microphone facilitates calls on an iPhone. iPod/iPhone Model Generation Audio Playback Music Control Mic Phone Control shuffle 1st Y N N N 2nd Y N N N 3rd Y Y N N 4th Y Y N N dock connector 3rd Y N N N clickwheel/color screen 4th Y N N N mini 1st Y N N N 2nd Y N N N video 5th Y N N N classic 80GB Y N N N 120GB Y Y Y N 160GB Y Y Y N iPod nano 1st Y N N N 2nd Y N N N 3rd Y N N N 4th Y Y Y N 5th Y Y Y N 6th Y Y Y N iPod touch 1st Y N N N 2nd Y Y Y N 3rd Y Y Y N 4th Y Y Y N iPhone 2G Y N N N 3G Y N N N 3GS Y Y Y Y 4 Y Y Y Y 4S Y Y Y Y iPad 1 Y Y Y N 2 Y Y Y N Note: Requires latest iPod/iPhone software update. The remote and mic are supported by iPod nano (4th/5th/6th gen), iPod classic (120/160GB), iPod touch (2nd/3rd/4th gen), and iPhone (3GS/4/4S). The remote (only) is also supported by the iPod shuffle (3rd/4th gen). Volume controls are not compatible with the iPhone (2G/3G). Audio is supported by all iPod models. Foldable Design: The P3 headphones fold up to stow away in your pocket or in the included hard-shell carrying case. Review this product Submit a review and then enter to win a $500 rewards card Bowers & Wilkins P3 (Factory Refurbished) Reviews Average Customer Review: 5 people say: Review this product: Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences about this product. Please be sure to focus your comments on the product itself. Read our Review Guidelines for more information. Review title * Email Your email won't be visible. Please use the email address that is associated with your order. 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Submit the URL of your YouTube™ video review or product demonstration. e.g., "http://www.youtube.com/v/o79TWHh598U" 500 characters left Pros 500 characters left Cons * Agree to Terms By checking this box you agree your review becomes the property of Crutchfield, that you are over 18 years of age, that you own or have owned this product, and that you are located within the United States or its territories. Please see our Review Guidelines for more information. We reserve the right (but are not obligated to) review all submissions and edit or remove any review in any manner which we deem necessary. Your review should be posted within seven days. Filter by rating: 5 Star: (0) 4 Star: (0) 3 Star: (0) 2 Star: (0) 1 Star: (0) 2 out of 5 Great for some people Written By Keith S., Mesa, Arizona on Thursday, April 17, 2014 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) I really wanted to like these, but they were too tight of a fit. I purchased the refurbished ones to save money and they were in new condition. Could never tell they weren't brand new. Sent these back for a refund and purchased the P7's from another store. The P7's go around the ears and are super comfortable for me. Pros: Build quality is excellent. Cons: Started hurting my ears after only five minutes of use. Sound is really muddy unless you use an EQ to adjust levels. Was this review helpful? Yes | No "Coolness Factor" Build Quality Comfort Noise Reduction Sound Quality 5 out of 5 Great Headphones Written By SH Diddy, Detroit, MI on Thursday, March 27, 2014 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) Super comfortable great sound quality, A name brand you can trust, puts Beats to shame. Pros: sounds great, iPhone compatible, high quality case. Cons: none Was this review helpful? Yes | No "Coolness Factor" Build Quality Comfort Noise Reduction Sound Quality 3 out of 5 P3 Good Design Fair Sound Written By Blitzer, O.C., CA on Tuesday, February 25, 2014 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) I bought these based on ratings and reviews. The build quality and overall design are outstanding; however, I find the sound quality to be lacking on the high end. The bass and mid-range are smooth and non-fatiguing. High end definition and extension is lacking and is overwhelmed by the lows and mids. Pros: The build quality and overall design are outstanding. Cons: High end definition and extension is lacking and is overwhelmed by the lows and mids. Was this review helpful? Yes | No "Coolness Factor" Build Quality Comfort Noise Reduction Sound Quality 5 out of 5 Excellent Written By Jacob, Richmond, VA on Thursday, January 02, 2014 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) These phones both look and sound great. Very clear sound - a great alternative to the bass-heavy 'beats' phones. These sound a lot more natural when you're listening to something other than hip hop. Pros: natural sound Was this review helpful? Yes | No "Coolness Factor" Build Quality Comfort Noise Reduction Sound Quality 5 out of 5 P3 Written By AG300M, Brooklyn, NY on Monday, December 30, 2013 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) A 1000 times better than any "fad"phones out there. Yes they gave that Cool factor that the masses want but with a sound and build quality that others can't touch fir the price. Pros: Sound quality, build quality. Cons: none Was this review helpful? Yes | No "Coolness Factor" Build Quality Comfort Noise Reduction Sound Quality Add accessories for the Bowers & Wilkins P3 (Factory Refurbished) Add Accessories Improve the sound from your digital audio sources. See all categories & accessories Improve the sound from your digital audio sources. 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