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Yesterday marked the one year anniversary of the day that the brave men -- seal team six delivered justice -- Osama bin Laden and for the past several days President Obama and his reelection spin machine.
Well they've been -- a victory lap glossing over who the real heroes are and last night it literally took him around the world to Afghanistan.
But a -- political ad put out by veterans for a strong America is highlighting the difference between heroism and politics let's watched us.
Some of -- -- and has been.
-- -- be no parades they've already gone back into the shadows on the outside world even knowing the -- Support our director Leon Panetta I was briefed.
We are determined at my direction my home presents our -- by us better team.
We don't you despite the football lesson that I yeah.
-- navy -- on and there are suppose they've been captured or killed.
The -- I would.
Okay yeah.
This one of the most despicable things.
-- -- Wow I don't think the difference could be any clearer and as President Obama continues to pat himself on the back again and again -- -- -- words are coming back to haunt him.
Let's listen what he said back in 2006.
I have had enough.
-- using terrorism.
As a wedge issue and our policy.
I don't know about you but I think that the war against terrorism.
You just got to -- prop up between September and November copy.
-- it.
And if that seems to -- the a sudden urgency.
About this whole thing -- months before an election every other year.
I -- wonder how team Obama's gonna trying to spin this one joining me now with reaction the author of the New York Times best seller -- pop suicide of -- superpower Patrick.
-- no question about it Sean what -- president onstage -- she did was take a 141000 mile round trip to Afghanistan.
Basically to put a -- -- on what was a national victory.
And to -- something of an end zone dance to revive the issue of the -- heroism.
Let's seal team six and -- -- for partisan advantage it was crash in which exploit table.
And I think it's gonna backfire because it was so transparent.
Yet I get it it's look at -- how powerful those Santa as he's -- a former joint chiefs.
-- he's he's come out against them many Navy SEALs look at what this ad says heroes don't seek credit heroes don't spike the football.
Heroes don't politicize act a -- they put their lives on the line.
Here's the front cover of the New York Post today reads Cotton Bowl and it says Obama spikes bin Laden football now Obama said.
Back a year ago he was up for reelection then.
And their memory used in that context -- we can't incite the the -- the Arab world in the Islamic world.
Byte by showing pictures of -- bin Laden.
Here's what.
You know the president said back -- about not spiking the football.
We don't.
Trot out this stuff as trophies.
Media over the fact of the matter is this was somebody who was.
Deserving of the justice that he received.
And I think the Americans and people around the world.
Are glad that he's gone.
But we don't need to spike the football.
I am I mean -- -- -- does anybody there they weren't pretty Smart campaign Patrick 2008.
I gotta wonder sometimes -- anybody think this through that this is a potential outcome and that's.
What what you just have that last -- by President Obama was President Obama as president of the United States leader the American people should look this is not a partisan issue.
Not a divisive issue these were American heroes and I gave the order but they carried it out -- it's an American victory.
Now he is trying to leap on this -- -- partisan standpoint it make -- a Democratic Party victory exploited.
It is very crash and the great asset the president has is.
The Oval Office the presidency of the United States he is diminishing that by using events which are national events.
As partisan event -- I was in the White House from Richard Nixon ordered the Sante raid.
-- Simon went in there twenty miles outside of -- tore into those prison.
And it was terrible that we're no prisoners there but they killed a couple of hundred of these -- of the Vietnamese.
It was a heroic thing he didn't take partisan credit for that it wasn't it was an American event him and I think.
The president turned himself.
You know pat I would make in this case for a long time and I know some of your former -- colleagues.
That you were very close to one point my dad took a lot of issue with this.
But here's the reality and we're gonna have this issue this discussion about -- -- we need to have the whole discussion.
And the reality is that we -- Jose Rodriguez and he was a guy that led the enhanced interrogation technique efforts.
Abu zubaydah Khalid Sheikh Mohammed he knows the intelligence that we got we -- on this program this week.
He could not have been more clear without the IT without rendition without black sites without getting well we don't have the intelligence.
For the president to make the decision to -- didn't seal -- sex so -- this discussion let's put it out in the open here.
He was wrong and we -- -- gotten bin Laden.
But for the bush policies that he opposed.
Well I think that's -- didn't -- getting bin Laden who was a process that took a long long time.
Again let me go back connection briefly Richard Nixon in 1969 was out in the Pacific when the -- went to the moon.
But Johnson had done a tremendous part in this Kennedy had been the greatest part of course was -- national -- themselves.
But again -- what -- -- and it suggests a real desperation is campaigning.
An effort -- -- an event which is a very positive event for all Americans.
And just say this was meet this was us this is what we -- -- Democrats didn't know why does.
When it was -- -- came out there and Afghanistan the did it.
I and so we're -- reality comes in he was wrong on the policies that gave us the intelligence.
Fabulous in -- Joseph Biden he says OK so bin Laden's dead and GM is still.
-- if you well they're they're still in business.
Now -- investors business daily today.
Comes out with a piece and I read it.
GM in GM AC still all the taxpayers of this country are over 35 million dollars.
So it's going to be able to tell those in the those jurors to things he's touting as his success.
Does -- story get to be told -- mad and does that.
Backfire on him well I think is some militia that GM's stock.
Could tell you that pop up -- -- want to look back.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- And -- tip I'm glad you James kept alive and all of that but but look again.
Didn't what do what do -- Biden do this shouldn't turn this into an us vs -- thing we did -- he didn't.
Think this mission -- stupid politically -- -- you -- when you have something like that to depression what is associated with.
And made the call and said go ahead it was a gutsy call.
What did you just stand back and let people credit show what you did pick -- exactly alike well important to these problems they're the ones -- did the job fellas let's applaud him.
You're married you have on this -- last question so.
Side of the superpower.
Is if in fact Barack Obama -- to get reelected.
You -- if we -- at the end of four years would have six trillion in new debt and in all likelihood of very close to that we have over five trillion in new Obama that.
We see what he's under the economy we see he's adopted the Western European socialist model -- -- you see that country headed if he gets reelected.
Barack -- reelected we're gonna have a Republican House -- May lose a few -- the senate we may pick up the Republicans may pick up a couple she's.
What we will have is the same deadlocked for four years.
Think we've had for almost the last year Sean.
In if that happens and it's going to.
-- happen because they're not gonna get together.
If that happens we are Spain we are in Italy we are Greece I think you'll have a real international.
The economic crisis because these two folks can't get together the one hope you got I think.
Is a Republican president Republican senate Republican House so you -- got two years to make the cut you promised to make now do it -- throw you out.
All right and do you think that W thing Romney wins at this point.
I think -- I'm I think Mitt Romney's got a far better chance than folks believe but I do think people are coming around the idea.
-- Barack Obama is not necessarily a winner and one of the reasons is the -- campaign that was revealed.
And what he did in Afghanistan and -- said Patrick Jamie Kennedy good to see you sir.
Good to -- my friend and coming up yet.
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I wouldn't lump those together. Unfortunately, there is no Linux on the desktop, with or without Google, and from the look of things there will never be.
Wait, what's this thing I'm look at in front of me? Am I hallucinating or something?
The Future of Linux is Google (PCWorld)
Posted Nov 18, 2009 1:17 UTC (Wed) by stumbles (guest, #8796) [Link]
Posted Nov 18, 2009 2:30 UTC (Wed) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330) [Link]
Posted Nov 18, 2009 2:47 UTC (Wed) by mikov (subscriber, #33179) [Link]
There are at least a couple of things that would need to happen in theory before Linux can have a meaningful chance on the desktop: a) There should be commercial desktop software development for it. b) Hardware manufacturers should develop and supply Linux drivers.
Neither a) nor b) is going to happen for obvious reasons. Consequently, Linux has no future on the desktop.
Don't get me wrong - I am not happy about that at all. On the other hand I believe the situation for fixed hardware devices, embedded and servers is much more positive, and in the context of this article Linux doesn't need help there (from Google).
Posted Nov 18, 2009 3:19 UTC (Wed) by lambda (subscriber, #40735) [Link]
Not representative of anything? You mean, the LWN users aren't anyone?
At my previous job, most developers used Linux desktops. My roommates in college all used Linux desktops (or laptops). Several of my coworkers use Linux desktops at home. My non- technical girlfriend uses a Linux laptop. Sure, it's a niche and not a mass market, but it's still pretty widely used.
I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make by saying these uses are "not representative of anything" or that there's "no future." There seems to be a perfectly viable niche that is at least remaining steady, and likely will for the foreseeable future, of developers and reasonably technical users (and their family and friends, on occasion) using Linux on the desktop (or laptop). It's a niche, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 3:40 UTC (Wed) by mikov (subscriber, #33179) [Link]
(Yes, I am aware of attempts for desktop Linux deployment in schools and in governments in Europe and I applaud them, however unless the preconditions I described earlier are met, they will unfortunately remain isolated cases).
And, I would like to repeat, I am not happy about this, but I am calling the facts as I see them.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 6:02 UTC (Wed) by set (guest, #4788) [Link]
Now, none of these people have ever purchased the Linux they run, so they are hard to count. Their ages span a range from 40 something *cough* to gradeschool, and they all live in midwestern US states.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 9:32 UTC (Wed) by dmk (subscriber, #50141) [Link]
in my opinion, the adoption of the linux desktop is hindered atm because of the peer-to-peer support thingy. people want to talk in their coffee-breaks about there problems with the machine. and they need their co-workers to give them tip's like: "when my machine stutters i just wiggle the mouse two times left and then two times right and all's well... that's because of the new microsoft-side-by-side technology." (or whatever)
the typical desktop user at the moment (those which have, for example, problems of grasping the simplest concepts, like "programs"... yes, there a different entities on that screen!) is getting more and more replaced by a generation that is used to computers and internet.
for those it will be more natural to get support on the internet via mail, web-search and social-networks. this will benefit the linux-desktop.
on the same time, software development in one firm has serious scalability problems. look at how big ms is. this is not sound. they are bound to have overhead-issues and inefficencies. While open-source-development is more wide-spread and not so focused (that means progress is slower), the foundation is bigger and stronger.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 9:30 UTC (Wed) by fb (subscriber, #53265) [Link]
However, all computer shops in the city center of where I live will _not_ sell any laptop or desktop with Linux pre-installed. Heck the only straightforward and sure way I know of avoiding the "Microsoft tax" on a new laptop is to pay "Apple tax".
BTW, I disagree that the Linux desktops niche has been steady.
The Linux desktop lost a lot of mindset. Some years ago, the majority of people I knew doing academic research used Linux in their laptops. A minority used Windows. Nowadays all those folks that had Linux migrated to Apple.
The biggest player in the desktop market had a huge flop with Vista. Golden opportunity for the growth of any alternatives. My impression is that Linux desktop presence didn't gain much during this flop. Do you think it did?
Posted Nov 18, 2009 10:58 UTC (Wed) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]
I've always wondered why the majority of commercial software, including almost all the worthwhile games, get Mac ports, but very little is ported to Linux.
In the last decade, excluding the CS department when I was at university, I've seen a grand total of *one* Apple laptop, and *zero* apple desktops. Compare that to one Linux laptop and three or four Linux desktops. Plus probably a couple of hundred Windows machines.
If we include the CS students, the Apple count goes up by one laptop, and the Linux count by one or maybe two.
Everyone seems to know of Macs, and think they have some idea about them, but so few people have ever actually *used* one that I don't understand why they're so well-known.
Perhaps there are more of them in the US, whence we import all our technical news and opinions?
who has a Mac? everyone!
Posted Nov 18, 2009 11:24 UTC (Wed) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167) [Link]
At work, we write software which runs on Linux (some of it is Free Software) and Java web applications which run on servers that in turn run Linux. Our 6-7 person technical team consists of one person with a Linux laptop (me), five with Macs including the CTO (who is also a perl hacker when he's not busy in meetings with suits) and one guy with a Windows laptop.
I'm the only one who can run our most important new software natively on the machine he uses to read mail and the web, but today that doesn't matter, everyone can have a VM, or just connect to a development server over the Internet, and they're more comfortable in OS X.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 14:18 UTC (Wed) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]
Or possibly, given the cost, they're mostly owned by people who are rather outside my social class.
It would be interesting to see how Apple rate their market share across different countries and demographics, but I'd be surprised if they published such information - it would similarly be lovely if Google's zeitgeist still included data on OS market share. I guess the data-mining opportunities are to great for them to want to share that.
(One final point which may or may not be useful depending on what you think his opinions are worth: even Steve Ballmer thinks that Linux is more popular and a bigger threat to Microsoft)
Posted Nov 18, 2009 18:18 UTC (Wed) by mikov (subscriber, #33179) [Link]
Most technical consultants and businesses I have dealt with have Mac laptops (with a copy of Windows running in a VM).
We _tried_ to convert to Linux a couple of years ago because in theory it sounded good - after all our products are Linux based, it would be cheaper, no viruses, etc. The experiment failed miserably and it gave me a lot of insight in the subject.
I believe these are the actual objective reasons of why Linux cannot grow its market share despite being free and technically better. It is not only because Windows comes pre-installed on PCs:
- It is practically impossible to develop closed source commercial desktop software for Linux. (Which distribution? Which package manager? Which desktop environment? Which version of all the before?)
- It is extremely difficult from a business perspective to develop Linux drivers for hardware devices. Which kernel version do you target (or which distribution specific version)? How do you distribute bug fixes and updates? Since the above two are very difficult, businesses are not doing them and are not likely to start doing them.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 19:18 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
for hardware support you target getting your driver in the kernel.org kernel. all the distros pull from that (and most of the backport drivers)
as far as developing closed source apps for linux, this is not as hard as you make it out to be.
you don't need to target a specific desktop environment during development unless you _really_ are worried about making the look-and-feel match the desktop (and if you are doing that you need to support skins/themes anyway) look at freedesktop.org for how to do things in a desktop agnostic way.
I agree that when it gets to final compiling and testing of the application it's more work to test with the different distros. but in most of the time the problem is more in packaging dependancies than actually needing different binaries (you can get unlucky with one distro updating a library in a way that's not backwards compatible, but this is uncommon)
if your entire QA effort is manual then this can be backbreaking, but if you have automated testing of your application (which is becoming more and more a requirement anyway), then adding additional platforms to test on is relativly cheap.
it is different than latest-version-of-windows-only development, but nowdays even windows development requires testing on multiple platforms (XP Vista, 7 at minimum)
Posted Nov 18, 2009 19:28 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
so in windows you have three 'distros'. XP, Vista, Windows 7, possibly 98
each of these have several releases (plain, SP1, SP2, etc)
in Linux you have a few families of distros to support RPM distros (RHEL, Fedora, Suse) and deb distros (Ubuntu and Debian) not much worse than the windows
each of these will have more than one release version out at one time (2 for Debian, 2 for Fedora, 3 for Ubuntu + LTS versions, etc), again, not much worse than windows
Posted Nov 18, 2009 19:45 UTC (Wed) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185) [Link]
At the company I work for, we develop an application that has binaries available for Windows, OSX and Linux. It's partly open source, but there are closed source plugins, and in any case, given our development model, nearly everyone uses the binary installer anyway. I'm not sure whether the app is within the definition of commercial software -- but there is no volunteer work done on it.
We use Qt, of course, otherwise we wouldn't be able to develop the software with 3 to 5 developers. And on Windows and Linux we use bitrock to create an installer. We only target 32-bits linux, though some people have compiled the open source parts on 65 bits linux, mostly gentoo. It works perfectly fine on my OpenSUSE and Kubuntu systems. We have about 60,000 Windows users, about 5000 OSX users and about 300 Linux users.
Despite having a lot of automatic tests, all operating systems give us pain: on OSX it's hard to support 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6 with one binary, and besides, we've only ever got access to the latest Apple hard and software, For Windows, side-by-side errors are bad. One version of Visual C++ actually creates corrupt manifests, The differences between XP, Vista and Windows 7 are particularly time-consuming. For Linux, the biggest problem is running the autotests: our test machine doesn't have X11... And we had a lot of problems with different versions of gstreamer.
All in all, if you develop your commercial desktop software using Qt, use the Bitrock installer and have decent automated tests, providing your application for 32 bit linux as well doesn't cost a lot of extra effort.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 20:06 UTC (Wed) by mikov (subscriber, #33179) [Link]
The (only?) positive thing about Windows is that binary compatibility between OS versions is an explicit goal. While I still was a Windows developer we had no problems moving software (including our kernel drivers) between NT4, W2K and later to XP. Of course I don't claim this is universal, because our packages were pretty self contained. Also, i realize that Vista introduced more significant changes and breakages compared to, say, XP.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 20:25 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
yes it's a goal, and yes it works a lot of the time. but it doesn't always work.
for linux systems, you can take just about any binary from one distro and run it on another distro. the .so files are all named the same way so if they are there everything works.
the cross-linux-distro problem is more a matter of how to make sure that all the right packages are there, and where are all the config files than anything else.
there are a lot of companies selling software for linux, many of them charging lots of money for their software. some of them take a hard line attitude like 'we only certify RHEL 5.0, if you upgrade to RHEL 5.1 you are on your own', but many of the recognise that the distros are all more the same than they are different and instead say 'we have tested this on RHEL 5.0, it should work on anything else, contact us if you have problems'
the companies that take the first attitude are very slow to support any new distros or releases, frequently when a customer says 'I will buy your product if you support distro X' (I've done this to a few products).
companies that take the second attitude tend to be much faster to add 'supported' distros to their list.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 21:30 UTC (Wed) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185) [Link]
Basically, you package everything you need, Certainly all the Qt libraries you use, but also other libraries, we're not using the system Qt. It doesn't solve everything: the gstreamer problem I mentioned above was because we didn't want to package gstreamer as well, and the gstreamer on ubuntu and gstreamer on OpenSUSE weren't binary compatible, so when we packaged the Qt Phonon library, which uses gstreamer, we had problems. (Of course, Phonon couldn't play mp3's on XP, but could play wav's while it was the other way around on Vista.)
The set of libraries we package is almost the same on Windows, OSX and Linux, by the way. On Windows we have to package the c runtime, as well, that is the main difference.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 21:18 UTC (Wed) by dbruce (guest, #57948) [Link]
1. In my "real job" (surgery) - at least 95% of folks use Windows laptops, with the rest using Mac. I've never met another MD in real life who uses Linux, and perhaps 5% have even heard of it. 2. At this year's Google Summer of Code Mentor Summit, I would guess about 70% of laptops ran Linux, 25% Mac, and 5% Windows.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 11:32 UTC (Wed) by fb (subscriber, #53265) [Link]
Posted Nov 18, 2009 16:27 UTC (Wed) by shmget (subscriber, #58347) [Link]
Google is your friend:
Just an example among others....
Yes it is US-centric. Mac is making much less in-road on the other side of the Atlantic for instance...
Posted Nov 18, 2009 17:43 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
I have yet to see a _SINGLE_ Mac OS laptop in any meetings or with anybody that I've run into in any part of the company in a professional basis.
A few people developers have Linux laptops, but by and far the vast majority of people use Windows.
I know that there is a single Mac floating around somewhere, due to me paying attention to traffic on the network, but I have no idea were it is at or who is using it.
Mac users
Posted Nov 19, 2009 15:22 UTC (Thu) by sumanah (guest, #59891) [Link]
The first few rows of a lecture at a university in Missouri (middle of the USA). Zoom out. Nearly every single one is a Mac.
Posted Nov 19, 2009 15:57 UTC (Thu) by boudewijn (subscriber, #14185) [Link]
Posted Nov 19, 2009 16:18 UTC (Thu) by nye (guest, #51576) [Link]
Posted Nov 18, 2009 5:23 UTC (Wed) by Per_Bothner (subscriber, #7375) [Link]
True, not all hardware manufacturers support Free OSes, but many do.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 18:33 UTC (Wed) by mikov (subscriber, #33179) [Link]
Put yourself in the position of a hw manufacturer who wants to support Linux. You have just designed a new device. How are you going to support Linux?
- Obviously you cannot rely on your driver being incorporated in the upstream kernel. One, it may take an unpredictable amount of time, and two most people are not likely to start using the upstream kernel for years. Exactly the same problem applies to driver updates.
- So, you need to develop and maintain an out-of-tree module. For which kernel version and which distribution? In practice you need constant maintenance and testing for many kernel versions at the same time. What is even worse, there is no easy standard way for people to install your out-of-of-tree module.
- There are additional complications. Since you are a good Linux citizen, you have submitted your module upstream, while at the same time continuing to maintain the out of tree module. Eventually some of your customers start using the upstream kernel and you end up in an even worse position. You have to support many versions of the out-of-tree module and versions of the upstream kernel. What is worse, you have no direct control over bugfixes and updates in the upstream driver anymore. If a customers are having problems you cannot just tell them to go complain on LKML.
To be honest, I really understand why most manufacturers don't bother. You need to have a team of full time paid kernel developers for this. Perhaps it makes sense for huge manufacturers (Intel, Nvidia) and for extremely popular products, but not for anything else.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 18:43 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
OEMs only support the stuff they ship. If your using something other then what they have installed on the machine or otherwise officially support then your on your own. If the kernel developers break a module then that is not their problem.
That is the way for any pre-installed OS from any manufacturer.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 19:23 UTC (Wed) by mikov (subscriber, #33179) [Link]
If your using something other then what they have installed on the machine or otherwise officially support then your on your own.
I think this sums it up nicely. People probably don't want to be "on their own" if they upgrade their PC, or if they happen to plug a new USB device in it, so they don't use Linux.
One of the fundamental reasons for success of the PC platform has always been the openness and the ability to mix and match components. If you remove that...
Posted Nov 18, 2009 19:29 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
if you install a driver that comes with hardware and your system no longer works do you think microsoft, HP, or dell are going to take care of it for you?
Posted Nov 18, 2009 21:41 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
The best you can expect from OEMs is if you nuke your system and install from scratch and it still does not work then they may take back your system and work on the software if it is in warrenty.
Microsoft will give you a shit.. I think a troubleshooting phone call is a minimum of 75 dollars, after that they charge a large fee per minute or bill by the hour or something like that. It's been a while since I last looked at it, but for a consumer Microsoft's support costs are attrocious.
There are a couple issues here:
1. There is a large turn around for accepting kernel drivers into the kernel. The process is long and drawn out and can take 6 months to a year to get new hardware supported properly in the kernel.
This is a serious issue for OEMs, but it can be dealt with.
The much bigger one is #2
2. There is no Geek Squad for Linux. Anywere in any part of the country you can walk into computer stores and get help with Windows. You pay them 300 bucks to remove viruses or some other thing, but it's still avialable.
When people want to learn how to use Windows and Office they don't go and search mailing lists, they go and pay for class time in a community college. They do this because it's worth paying 300-700 dollars to learn Office and Windows because it'll help them get a job.
With Linux there is almost no places were people can take it in and get help. You go into Best Buy with a Linux netbook they will happily sell you a 'student' license for Windows and OFfice and charge you a hundred bucks to install it on your netbook, but they are going to refuse to help you get a printer or VPN working.
This is a societial issue. The negative costs of running Windows is absorbed by the society at large as just a cost of doing business or running a PC... Linux has no similar infrastructure.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 18:56 UTC (Wed) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
however, if you involve the kernel developer earlier things are much easier
there is the staging tree and the help from Greg to get things into the kernel.
most distros backport drivers that are added in later releases into their supported distros.
however, the biggest question to start with is if your device really needs a completely new device driver to start with?
if you are designing a new chipset, you are probably in a similar category as the 'huge manufacturers' you mention. but 99%+ of the time new hardware is not built using newly designed chips, it's built using existing chips with slight tweaks and in new ways. drivers for this category of devices are _much_ simpler to develop, and usually result in tweaks to existing drivers and not completely new drivers.
Posted Nov 20, 2009 3:52 UTC (Fri) by smokeing (guest, #53685) [Link]
Back in 2007, we bought a Motorola Z6 ROKR, and it wasn't supported as a storage device at the time. After googling the matter, it appeared it misbehaved during handshake with the host, violating USB protocol, and needed a "quirk" (specifically, its product id needed to be listed in appropriate header; this was already done in the next kernel version).
If Motorola had run the phone through proper QA procedure, it wouldn't have broken the standard, and no drivers would be necessary *at all*.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 5:31 UTC (Wed) by jmm82 (guest, #59425) [Link]
I don't want to pay for software.
"b) Hardware manufacturers should develop and supply Linux drivers."
I see *a lot* of companies with Linux driver support. Intel, Sierra Wireless, Atheros are three companies I have used drivers for and all seem to be working with the community to improve support for their hardware.
"On the other hand I believe the situation for fixed hardware devices, embedded and servers is much more positive, and in the context of this article Linux doesn't need help there (from Google)."
I just bought an Android and it is the first phone I have seen to give Apple a run for their money. It may run Linux, but if I did not follow Linux I would not know this and that is a good this. Most Linux systems are TOO flexible and complex for the average user to understand. GNU/{Gnome,Kde}/Linux ,may never win the desktop, but Google/Linux a simple desktop with a slick interface and good Google app integration hiding all the complexities of Linux, but still gaining the stability in the kernel, MAY. WHEN Linux does win the desktop I have a feeling most people will not even know it is Linux.
I personally could care less if only non-existent LWN users are the only Linux desktop users, I like my red-headed stepchild desktop just the way it is, warts and all.
Posted Nov 19, 2009 6:44 UTC (Thu) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link]
Some of us don't use desktops on our Linux, though.
Posted Nov 19, 2009 9:29 UTC (Thu) by Klavs (guest, #10563) [Link]
This is based on several indicators.
1) the danish "public tv" channel (also the largest channel provider AFAIK) had a story about how a regular family switched their computers to using Linux - and how much money they saved. And after the family tried it for a few weeks, they followed up and the family decided to stay with linux on all computers but one - for gaming.
2) I own linuxpusher.com - which was mentioned in the aforementioned show - and got a LOT of orders for Linux (Ubuntu in this case) - and I often talk to normal people who want to try Linux - because their windows has gotten too slow etc. or they are just curious.
3) I recently installed Linux on my brothers computer, because his Vista didn't work properly with his 3G phone modem - Linux (Ubuntu 9.04) worked flawlessly - so he's still running Linux - without any help from me (the install was the only thing - and he could have done that himself easily).
So it seems to me as Linux is making inroads in to the desktop market - atleast in demark.. slowly, but still.
Posted Nov 22, 2009 18:29 UTC (Sun) by nixternal (guest, #41048) [Link]
I think you must have meant "There should be MORE..." as there is commercial desktop software development going on, which many probably do not see because they are just using the package manager that their OS gives them. Here in Chicago, AutoDesk is supposedly working on some of this commercial software development for Linux.
"b) Hardware manufacturers should develop and supply Linux drivers"
Once again, I think you must have meant "There should be more hardware manufacturers developing and supplying Linux drivers." Since the major manufacturers are starting to do so. AMD/ATI, NVIDIA, and Intel are just a few that come to mind right now.
I feel there is a chance for an eventual mainstream adoption of Linux. For example, not even 2 years ago, I would walk into any of my computer places around here and not find one person who even knew what Linux was. Today I can walk into these same stores and not only find a person who digs my Ubuntu hat, my Fedora t-shirt, or my openSUSE t-shirt, and knows what it is. Oh, and these same stores are now caring at least one machine that is running either Ubuntu, SUSE, or some other Linux distro. Frys, Tiger Direct/CompUSA, Best Buy (they have some netbook with Linux on it, can't remember which one it was and they also sell Ubuntu there, though I think all 4 boxes are still on the shelf that were there earlier this year).
Now if we could only get some real marketing folks behind the Linux desktop movement. Also some more commercial sponsors of a Linux desktop wouldn't hurt either, like Google for instance :)
Posted Nov 18, 2009 10:10 UTC (Wed) by edmundo (guest, #616) [Link]
Posted Nov 18, 2009 23:56 UTC (Wed) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
Let the ball fall out. Take the ball and clean it up with some cool soapy water.
Inside the bottom of the mouse you'll notice some rollers. Usually there are two thin black rollers that are long and then a larger, shorter, white roller that has some movement to it. Were those rollers meet the ball they tend to compact up with dust and paper bits so that they end up having quite a compact sticky mess.
If you take your finger nail and scrape down the roller you can usually easily scrape off the crud. With the correct motion you can make the roller move slightly and rotate a bit. Just keep repeating that till the roller rolls all the way around and you pick off all the crust. It may take a little while to get off the most stubborn bits, but they all can come off.
With that crust scraped off the mouse will run like new. :)
Posted Nov 19, 2009 6:50 UTC (Thu) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link]
Posted Nov 19, 2009 12:33 UTC (Thu) by NRArnot (subscriber, #3033) [Link]
Posted Nov 19, 2009 10:00 UTC (Thu) by forthy (guest, #1525) [Link]
What's the difference to a Windows user? My father has Linux, installed by me through the standard OpenSuSE install (i.e. select language and contry, desktop environment, root password and user account, and nothing more), and his major problems with it just come from age, and would be the same as with Windows. His PC never needs hand-holding, it just works.
Compare that to my sister, who uses Windows, because she wants to run some (pirated) proprietary software like AutoCAD. This PC needs far more handholding from me than the Linux box. If she wouldn't need AutoCAD for her job, I'd just give her a Linux box, too. Sh's quite afraid of Linux, since she only knows it from my usage pattern with four xterms and an emacs window ;-). I told here that my Windows desktop (when I port something to Windows) looks exactly the same.
Posted Nov 18, 2009 18:48 UTC (Wed) by leoc (subscriber, #39773) [Link]
Posted Nov 19, 2009 1:30 UTC (Thu) by jmm82 (guest, #59425) [Link]
Posted Nov 19, 2009 15:52 UTC (Thu) by Trelane (guest, #56877) [Link]
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