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VERITAS Enterprise Vault (tm) 5.0 Service Pack 5 Full CD
Article:TECH42469 | | | Created: 2006-01-02 | | | Updated: 2006-01-02 | | | Article URL http://www.symantec.com/docs/TECH42469 |
VERITAS Enterprise Vault (tm) 5.0 Service Pack 5 Full CD
Enterprise Vault (tm) 5.0 Service Pack 5
This document
describes the changes introduced by Enterprise Vault 5.0 Service Pack
The CD media
comprises of
- Enterprise Vault for Microsoft Exchange 5.0 SP5
- Enterprise Vault for File System Archiving 5.0 SP5
- Enterprise Vault for Microsoft Sharepoint 5.0 SP5
- Enterprise Vault Compliance Accelerator 5.1 SP3
- Enterprise Vault Discover Accelerator 5.0 SP2
details of the changes included in the earlier updates, see the PrevUpdates.htm
in the download
- Installation and prerequisite software
- File System Archiving changes
- Offline Vault changes
- Changes affecting users
- Administration Console changes
- Policy Manager changes
- Other changes
- Outstanding issues
- Copyright and trademarks
and prerequisite software
When you
upgrade to Enterprise Vault 5.0 SP5, it is mandatory that you upgrade all
Enterprise Vault servers, including Outlook Web Access (OWA) front-end and
back-end servers. In each case, load the Enterprise Vault CD-ROM in your CD-ROM
drive, double-click SETUP.EXE to start the installation, and then choose
the required components. For further information, see the Installing and
Configuring manual.
File System
Archiving changes
File System
Archiving now ignores ~snapshot folders on NetApp filers [Ref:
When archiving
files from a NetApp filer, File System Archiving no longer attempts to archive
the files in the ~snapshot folder (which is used to store the volume
European characters in File System Archiving folder path [Ref:
If File System
Archiving encountered non-Western European characters in a folder name, it would
fail to archive files stored in that folder, and the following message would
*** Error *** - Exception from
HRESULT: 0x800300FC (STG_E_INVALIDNAME)
This has now
been fixed.
File System
Archiving now fails gracefully when trying to restore files to full disks [Ref:
If you use an
application such as the Enterprise Vault Browser Search to restore an archived
file, and there is insufficient disk space to store the file, File System
Archiving now displays an error message instead of causing the application to
stop running.
local group permissions to domain users in the group [Ref: 505084]
If you create a
local group to grant permissions to the folders on a file server, and you add
one or more domain users or groups to this group, Enterprise Vault synchronizes
the local group permissions only. It does not enumerate the users and groups
within these groups and synchronize them. Domain users may therefore be unable
to use Archive Explorer or Browser Search to access items in the folders
associated with the local group.
You can address
this issue by adding an optional value,
ExpandLocalGroups, to the following
registry key on the Enterprise Vault server:
ExpandLocalGroups a non-zero value
extends the local group permissions to domain users that you have added to the
local group, with the result that these users can now access the folders
associated with the local group.
Fix for
leaking handles problem when archiving from a NetApp filer [Ref:
When using File
System Archiving to archive files from a NetApp filer, the Enterprise Vault
Admin Service would sometimes create an excessive number of handles. This has
now been fixed.
Fix for
placeholder shortcuts error [Ref: 505092]
You can now
copy and paste shortcuts to files larger than 30 MB without the following
message appearing:
Cannot copy filenameX: The
remote storage service was not able to recall the file
Vault changes
Archive Explorer buttons no longer crashes Outlook 2003 in Cached Exchange Mode
[Ref: 505024]
If you are
running Outlook 2003 in Cached Exchange Mode, and you are browsing the items in
an offline vault with Archive Explorer, clicking the Next Page and Previous Page
buttons in Archive Explorer no longer causes Outlook to stop running.
items to offline vaults larger than 2 GB [Ref: 505045]
In Enterprise
Vault 5.0 SP4, it was not possible to download new items to an offline vault
that was 2 GB or larger in size. This has now been fixed.
Hyphens in
folder names no longer cause offline vault synchronization to fail [Ref:
an offline vault no longer fails if the name of a mailbox folder contains the
characters "--" or ends with the character "-".
affecting users
Sent Items
folder in Archive Explorer now shows To rather than From addresses [Ref:
In Archive
Explorer, the Sent Items folder now shows the To addresses of messages
(identifying their recipients) rather than the From addresses (identifying their
senders). Note that, if you are offline, the Sent Items folder shows the From
addresses as before.
shortcuts from non-Microsoft MAPI stores [Ref: 505004]
You can now
open shortcuts to archived messages from a non-Microsoft MAPI store. For
example, if you drag and drop a shortcut to the Windows desktop, double-clicking
the shortcut no longer causes the following message to appear:
Enterprise Vault cannot open
this item. Copy or move it to your mailbox and then try again from
Note that you
must install the latest shortcut form (Enterprise
Vault\Languages\Forms\en\EVShortcut.fdm) for this fix to work. See the
Installing and Configuring manual for guidance on how to do
This fix
improves support for Interwoven.
messages with the Enterprise Vault Browser Search added blank entries to the
list of vaults [Ref: 505007]
If you used the
Enterprise Vault Browser Search to search a vault and view an archived message,
and then returned to the home page of the search facility, an additional blank
entry appeared in the dropdown list of vaults. Each additional message that you
viewed added a further blank entry to this list. This has now been
archive from a public folder in the Favorite Folders pane [Ref:
initiating an archive request from a public folder that you had added to the
Favorite Folders pane in Outlook would cause the Enterprise Vault User
Extensions to stop running. This is no longer the case.
Outlook 2003
running in Cached Exchange Mode no longer archives the wrong items [Ref:
If Outlook 2003
was running in Cached Exchange Mode, and you archived one or more mail items and
then immediately selected another item, the wrong items would sometimes
be archived. This has now been fixed.
performance when running Archive Explorer [Ref: 505023]
When running
Archive Explorer, you may have experienced high and protracted CPU utilization
on the Vault Directory Database server. This has now been fixed, with the result
that performance should improve on larger systems.
2003 anonymous access required in a mixed Exchange 2000/2003 environment [Ref:
If you want to
use OWA to open archived items on both Exchange 2000 and Exchange 2003 servers,
you must configure the Enterprise Vault server for Exchange 2003 anonymous
access. To do this, run the OWAUser.wsf configuration script and specify
the /exch2003 option, as described in the Installing and Configuring
Error code
"Http1.1401" when using OWA with multiple HTTP virtual servers [Ref:
If you
configured multiple HTTP virtual servers, using OWA to view an archived item
would sometimes cause "Http1.1401" error messages to appear. This has now been
access to private messages for delegate users of Archive Explorer or Browser
Search [Ref: 505042]
If one Outlook
user has granted another user delegate access to his or her mailbox then, using
Archive Explorer or the Enterprise Vault Browser Search, the delegate could
previously view all the items in that user's vault archive, including
those items marked as private. You can control the access that delegate users
have to private messages by adding the following line to the WebApp.ini
Add This Line | To Do This |
DelegateCanSeePrivateItems=0 | Prevent delegates from viewing private items unless they have full read access to the archive. This is the default behavior |
DelegateCanSeePrivateItems=1 | Permit delegates to view all the items in archives to which they have access, including those items marked as private |
Fixes for
problems with non-Western European languages [Ref: 505035, 505049, 505062, and
This service
pack addresses several problems with non-Western European language
- If you previously used a non-Western European language version of Archive Explorer to copy or move an item from a vault to a file system folder, a pop-up message containing incorrect characters would appear. This has now been fixed.
- When using Outlook with the Enterprise Vault Self-installing User Extensions, you can now archive from and restore to mailbox folders whose names contain either non-Western-European characters or backslashes. Previously, the presence of these characters in a folder name would cause archiving to fail and an error message to appear in the log.
- If you click a customized shortcut in Archive Explorer or OWA to run or save a message attachment whose name contains non-Western European characters, these characters are removed from the file name. You can correct this by adding the following line to the WebApp.ini file:
that, because of Internet Explorer limits on the number of characters in a file
name string, multi-byte file names may be truncated to 15 characters when
- If you open a message that has been archived with a code page other than the system code page, the subject line, recipient names and file names of attachments may be corrupted. You can correct this by adding the following line to the desktopsettings.txt file:
viewing messages, this entry instructs Enterprise Vault to use the code page on
the message rather than the system code page.
Hidden text
in PDF message attachments is now viewable [Ref: 505053]
When it
converts to HTML a PDF attachment to an archived message, the Enterprise Vault
Browser Search does not normally convert any hidden text in the PDF file. You
can now force Enterprise Vault to convert this text by creating a DWORD value
called EnablePDF under the following key in the Windows registry:
If the PDF key
does not already exist, you must create it. Give EnablePDF a value of 1 to
enable the conversion of hidden text or 0 to stop conversion.
messages when clicking Enterprise Vault buttons in OWA [Ref:
If you added
the Archive Explorer or Search button to the navigation bar of OWA, clicking
either button while connected to an Exchange front-end server could cause the
message "The Enterprise Vault service is not available" to appear. This has now
been fixed.
Server 2003 SP1 on SharePoint servers [Ref: 505064]
installing Service Pack 1 for Windows Server 2003 on the SharePoint server, you
may have received "Access Denied" messages when you tried to search an archive
with the Enterprise Vault Web Access application. This has now been
attachments whose MIME type property has been set now open correctly [Ref:
attachments to archived messages now display properly when opened with a
customized shortcut, regardless of whether the MIME type property attribute of
the attachments has been set. Previously, only attachments for which no MIME
type property had been set would display properly.
errors when opening archived items if WebApp.ini file contains
ViewMessage_Format=ASK line [Ref: 505080]
If the
WebApp.ini file contains the line
ViewMessage_Format=ASK, and you use the
Browser Search or Archive Explorer to open an archived item, a script error no
longer appears.
New registry
settings for detecting and overriding code pages on messages [Ref:
Use the
following new registry values to detect the code pages on messages and specify
alternative code pages to use. These values reside in the registry key
Vault\CodepageDetection, which you must create if it does not
already exist. Each value is of type DWORD.
Registry Value | Function |
AttachmentSearchDepth | Specifies how far down the hierarchy of attachments to check the code page, in cases where an archived message has as its attachment a message that has an attachment of its own, which may also have an attachment, and so on. The default setting used if this registry value does not exist is 20 |
CodepageOverride | Specifies the code page with which messages should be archived in cases where they cannot otherwise be archived correctly, because no suitable code page exists. If you do not set this registry value, or you set its value to 0, Enterprise Vault does not archive such messages |
DetectCodepage | When set to 1, instructs Enterprise Vault to detect the code page of each message before it is archived, instead of simply accepting the code page setting on the message. If necessary, Enterprise Vault then changes the code page to one that enables it to archive the message correctly. When this is not possible, Enterprise Vault does not archive the message |
MaxRecipientsToDetectCodepage | For each message that is to be archived, specifies the maximum number of recipient names for which to check the code page. The default setting used if this registry value does not exist is 100, and the setting is rounded up to the nearest 100 |
The version of mapi32.dll supplied with Outlook 2003 is not compatible with the
CodepageDetection keys. If you set these
keys, some Enterprise Vault services may fail to start when you choose to
restart all services.
For more
information on how Enterprise Vault handles multi-byte character sets, see
article 277637 in the related documents below.
front-end server cannot resolve back-end server using NT 4.0 user credentials
[Ref: 505094]
In an
environment where NT 4.0 domains and user credentials are used to access
mailboxes on multiple Exchange Server 2003 servers through OWA, attempts to
download archived items would fail with the message "Failed to determine
back-end server". This was because the logged-in user did not have an Active
Directory user account.
You can correct
this by nominating one of the back-end servers as the default server. To do
this, add the following parameter to the Enterprise
Vault\OWA\EvFrontEnd.ini file:
host_name identifies the default back-end server. For
This parameter
enables the front-end server to resolve the back-end server for non-Active
Directory accounts. In response to a ping request sent by the front-end server,
the default back-end server sends a message containing a reference to the
required back-end server for the mailbox.
EVServers.txt file no longer causes Enterprise Vault extensions to OWA to
malfunction [Ref: 505095]
If you did not
create the optional EVServers.txt file on the Exchange back-end server,
as described in the Installing and Configuring manual, the Enterprise
Vault extensions to OWA did not work properly. This has now been
Denied errors when clicking Settings button in Archive Explorer [Ref:
On some
machines, clicking the Settings button in Archive Explorer would sometimes cause
an "Access is denied" message to appear. This has now been fixed.
filters not archiving unmatched messages after first match [Ref:
If you used
custom archiving filters to define how Enterprise Vault processes messages that
meet certain criteria then, when a message matching a filter rule was first
encountered, any subsequent messages that did not match the rule were
incorrectly processed; they were left in the user's mailbox instead of being
archived. This has now been fixed.
Console changes
interface fixes in the Vault Administration Console [Ref: 505008]
When setting an
archive schedule with the Site Properties, FileServer Properties or Service
Properties dialog box, you may sometimes have found that clicking and dragging
with the mouse resulted in the wrong items being selected. This has now been
Synchronisation changes [Ref: 505043]
If you have
configured Enterprise Vault to synchronize inherited permissions between
mailboxes and archives, the presence of a deleted user in the permissions list
no longer causes synchronization to fail and the following message to appear in
the event log:
3227: Failed to list mailbox
permissions whilst synchronizing due to a missing Active Directory
Fix for
errors when selecting an Archiving Service for an Exchange server [Ref:
If you used the
Vault Administration Console or the Enterprise Vault configuration program to
create an archiving service for an Exchange server, and the server had exactly
499 mailboxes in its mailbox store, you would receive an error message when you
chose a system mailbox with which to process the server. This has now been
Manager changes
setting in script no longer causes Outlook 2003 crash [Ref:
If you used
Enterprise Vault Policy Manager to modify the properties of folders, and your
initialization file contained the setting
OverrideArchiveLocks = true, then some
age-based policies on subfolders would not take effect. Not only did this stop
the items in a subfolder from being properly archived but it also caused Outlook
2003 to stop running when you viewed the folder's Enterprise Vault properties.
This has now been fixed.
improvements in NTFS to Centera Migration tool [Ref: 505011]
There have been
some improvements in the performance of the NTFS to Centera Migration tool,
which moves Enterprise Vault savesets from an NTFS partition to an EMC Centera
requests passed to the Compliance Accelerator Journaling Connector [Ref:
requests that are not eligible for archiving are no longer passed to the
Compliance Accelerator Journaling Connector for processing. Previously, the
Journaling Connector would process all meeting requests, whether or not
they were going to be archived. This could have an accumulative effect on
performance when the sampled mail was transferred to the review sets
characters no longer cause archiving to Centera partitions to fail [Ref:
When you
archive items to an EMC Centera partition, the presence of an invalid character
in an item's title, extension, or MIME type value causes the value to be
replaced by a space. The presence of such characters would previously cause the
archiving process to fail.
loading of Centera FPLibrary.dll file [Ref: 505032]
The method of
dynamically loading the Centera FPLibrary.dll file has been changed to resolve
problems that occasionally resulted in it not loading correctly, and that in
turn caused Event ID 6760 messages (Error from EMC
Centera FPLibrary) to appear in the log.
collections temporary area not being cleared out [Ref: 505034]
In some
circumstances, when archiving an item to a Centera partition for which you have
elected to use saveset collections, the Centera collections temporary area was
not being cleared out. This has now been fixed.
improvements in Centera collection housekeeping [Ref: 505058]
The speed with
which you can perform housekeeping operations on saveset collections archived to
a Centera partition has been significantly improved.
Centera SDK [Ref: 505993]
Vault 5.0 SP4 included a version of the Centera SDK that caused data loss when
archiving files whose size was within a certain 10 MB window-between 100 MB and
110 MB, 200 MB and 210 MB, 300 MB and 310 MB, and so on.
Vault 5.0 SP5 includes Centera SDK version 2.4.361, which fixes this
strategy for Centera node failure [Ref: 505111]
When archiving
items to a partition, Centera works through the IP addresses in a list of access
nodes until it finds one that is reachable. If the first node in the list is
offline, there is a network timeout delay before Centera attempts to connect to
the next listed node. This can lead to delays in archiving and retrieving items.
You can now handle this issue by setting a new DWORD value,
EMCCenteraConnectionTimeout, under the
following registry key on the Enterprise Vault server:
Give this a
value of 30 to set the timeout period to 30 seconds. When the timeout period
elapses, the unreachable node is moved to the end of the list so that future
connection attempts are quicker.
Error when
starting Outlook 2003 [Ref: 512 and SRZ040414002287]
The first time
a user starts Outlook 2003 after installing the Enterprise Vault User
Extensions, the following error message may appear:
Error in registry for extension
"Exchange Extensions;?".
The syntax or format of the registry entry is incorrect.
Check the registry settings and compare the registry for
this extension to other extensions in the registry.
The syntax or format of the registry entry is incorrect.
Check the registry settings and compare the registry for
this extension to other extensions in the registry.
The error does
not appear the next time Outlook 2003 is started.
The registry
entry to which the message refers is:
The correct
value for the entry is:
The problem is
caused by an Outlook 2003 bug which is fixed in Outlook 2003 SP1. For more
details, see Microsoft Support article 823633
File System
Archiving placeholder timeouts [Ref: 30880]
When a user
attempts to open a placeholder shortcut and the item to be restored is large, it
is possible that the user's application may assume that the file cannot be
opened when in fact the file is still being restored. For example, Microsoft
Word may issue the following error:
The document name or path is
not valid
The file size
at which this occurs depends on the speed at which files are restored. For
example, on a LAN, this may occur when a file is several tens of megabytes in
If the user
waits until the file has been restored and then tries again, the file can be
opened successfully.
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D Bar San Diego
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Had dinner here prior to a play at the Old Globe. Great experience from parking garage (next door) to great service, excellent menu, and delicious food. Excellent beer selection, too!
In all fairness, the restaurant was slammed for Sunday brunch. Problem is that most food is made in the back kitchen, but plates with Belgian waffles are mostly prepared in the dessert kitchen out front. Timing between the two kitchens broke down so everyone in our party got their food and we waited on the waffles.
I go to D Bar at least once a week. They never disappoint and the menu is interesting and affordable. Welcome to SD, D Bar!!
Five of us had Saturday brunch here, and everyone enjoyed their meal. Two of us had drinks and both were delicious. It was my birthday and when dessert came there was a candle and a card signed by several of the staff. Service was attentive and helpful.
Chef Keegan was on FOX5 News showcasing "d bar" desserts. I told my husband we had to go there that night. We made a reservation for dinner online as this was our first time going there.. A converted warehouse tastefully designed with a fun atmosphere... love the giant garage door of windows. ... We had a great server (Devin) who helped us with our food & drink selections. My husband loved his negroni, and I had a bloody mary. Wonderful dinners - Lobster Risotto and Ahi, delicious desserts - cake and shake, and chocolate souffle. A steady flow of customers. We will definitely be back and hopefully be able to sit outside next time, of course getting there much earlier! Great place!
I checked to see if I needed to make reservations in case it got crowded. Knowing it was Friday night, I'm glad I did. This place was perfect. We came here after dinner to get some dessert. And everything was amazing. It was very different and I'm so glad my friend recommended this place. Service was great, ambiance was nice, and I will definitely be coming back here more often regardless of where I live in SD (north county). I heard their brunches were good and the menu looks good too.
The space is bright & airy, including an open soux kitchen. The staff was super friendly. A waitress recommended a strawberry jalapeño margarita that was tart & delicious, as promised, not the typical slurpee-like, sugary, strawberry margy. The sriracha, honey brussel sprout starter we shared as a table was amazing! I had the veggielicious starter as my main meal, and it was the perfect amount of delicious, healthy and fresh food. On the other end of the spectrum, my 5 year old had mac and cheese and loved it, with the exception of the bread crumbs reminiscent of crushed Cheez-its, but the 6 others of us thought they were the best part! I heard happy mms for the creme brûlée, and I can vouch for the snickerdoodles, still warm from the oven.
Went here for restaurant week due to the high yelp reviews, and I was very impressed! Wait staff was very knowledgable and fast, and the food was fantastic! Perfect sized portions and the desserts were amazing.
16th birthday party for our daughter. She had 10 friends - during restaurant week, so they got to choose an app, an entree, and an amazing dessert. Everything was delicious and a fun environment to boot. Order the Cake and Shake!
What a fun place. Bright, open, airy - just a great space. And the food was wonderful - we were there for a late Sunday brunch / lunch, and we had sliders - one sausage, one beef. So, so, tasty. A great meal. We will definitely be back.
We decided to try D Bar because it was restaurant week, and we wanted to sample their offerings. All three courses were delicious, but the appetizers and the desserts really stood out! This place has a dessert bar that looks like a sushi bar. The chefs are out in the open preparing scrumptious offerings. The d=mc2 and chocolate souffle were to die for. We tried some non-traditional appetizers: crispy brussel sprouts and bacon-wrapped dates. Both were tasty with unique flavor combinations. The entrees were very good, too. The waitstaff was fun and attentive. Servers did not mind covering each other's tables to help out. The noise level was vibrant. Great find addition to the Hillcrest restaurant scene.
All the meals were well portioned and the drinks were delicious. Only complaint: I shouldn't have to ask for hot sauce from 3 different ppl. I did try to be nice about it. Bomb Mac n cheese and desserts by the way. Kudos.
Came here for restaurant week with my Fiance. I had the Pork Wings, Halibut and the Chocolate Cake with Shake. My Fiance had the Crue Fries, Rib Eye, and Souffle. Everything was yummy for the most part. The pork wings were a little salty and my fiance wasn't a fan of the vanilla mash, but the desserts were on point. Our server, Lindsey?, was great she checked up on us after every course was dropped and wasn't too intrusive. My only complaint was that they wouldn't let me just have Nutella Beignets and Ice Cream for my dessert, totally not our servers fault. But would've been nice if they could have made an exception.
I was most excited about the desserts. My fish was great and I ate every bite. My dessert "cake and shake" was very rich and amazing.
Went to D Bar for restaurant week and it was worth it. The menu had a lot of options, great for $30. Everything I tried was amazing. Definitely going back!
We had three guests with us; two from Minneapolis and one who moved here recently. They really enjoyed the meal. They commented how noisy the place is. Randy and Dale
D Bar has been consistently delicious. I've been to this restaurant about 4 times now and each and every time I've been impressed. A friend and I went for the restaurant week lunch special and the value was amazing! We both got something different and shared. It was such a great experience with service and the food was all very good. If D Bar keeps up the quality, then they definitely will keep me coming back!
Restaurant week lunch options were simple, comfort food dishes such as grilled cheese panini and soup, bacon mac and cheese, BLT, chicken waffle sandwich. All were delicious. Dessert options were the cake and shake, tiramisu, key lime tart, chocolate molten lava cake. The cake and shake was a really large piece of rich chocolate cake, with your choice of vanilla, chocolate, or raspberry shake. The key lime tart (fancier than it sounds) was good, but very tart. The tiramisu was delicious, as it wasn't as sweet as in other restaurants, and very light. There was a tiramisu macaron on top that first caught my eye. The molten lava cake (gluten free) was probably my favorite of the 4 as it was rich, but not too sweet.
The dessert menu is extensive and absolutely delicious!! Ths cake and shake was divine, oh so decadent, marvelously delicious. I will definitely come back here to try the dessert menu!
I love the atmosphere, the staff is great and drinks are good! They have fun hanging fixtures and great tables for groups or dates. You have to try the honey siracha Brussels sprouts! Amazing..
We had an amazing servicer. Very helpful and sweet. My mom and I went there for resturant week. Can't wait to try it again. But i can't wait to go back for dessert. They have a dessert bar abd the menu is amazing!
The boss took us our for a birthday lunch, and this turned out to be a real treat! The server was friendly (but not too friendly), the service was great, and the food was excellent. The surroundings were reminiscent of Ikea, but still enjoyable. Our server happened to overhear us talking about our co-worker's birthday, and she included a birthday candle on one of the dessert plates, along with a card. Nice touch. Overall, a delightful lunch!
We had dinner at DBar during Restaurant Week and it was amazing. We'd had dessert before, but not dined at the restaurant. The food was excellent, the service stellar, and we had a wonderful evening. There were four of us, so we sampled a good portion of the RW menu--the fries appetizer, the pig "wings," and the bacon wrapped dates were fabulous. We enjoyed the halibut entree very much, but the lobster mac and cheese was a winner too! And, dessert--of course, the shake and cake was good, but the waffle ice cream sandwich and the churros were both wonderful.
Lots of menu choices for this week--stuffed dates & grilled Brussel sprouts (in sweet chili sauce?) delicious; halibut perfectly cooked; mac & cheese with tempura lobster tastefully decadent; key lime dessert with fruit beautifully delicious; chocolate dessert with nutella beignets and ice cream--oh my my! Extra points for recognizing my birthday with a candle and card (sweet touch). Servers attentive and fun. Industrial interior not our favorite-not much to deaden sound but we were able to converse. Location across from theater plus creative, delicious food means we will be back.
D Bar is one of my favorite restaurants in the area. Always good food. EXCELLENT desserts! A little disappointed with brunch...lunch and dinner food is much better. But will, of course, return.
It is my favorite restaurant in Colorado and California...
On a trip to SD and staying in Hillcrest neighborhood we saw reviews and reserved at D bar. Tofer in the bar will fix some great drinks. Limited beers on tap. The menu is interesting and the preparation is top shelf. Really enjoyed the atmosphere and attentive staff.
We had a great experience! The food was fantastic. And the service was top notch as well. We will defanently be going there again. We were celebrating my wife's birthday, and they brought her a personalized card.
D Bar is very spacious yet cozy, since my family and friends sat in a corner booth. The food is amazing! I'll be dreaming about the brussel sprouts salad with sriracha-honey glaze for days.
We arrived early, so can't really judge the noise level. Delightful, very contemporarily decorated restaurant. Not a huge menu, but well done. Our salmon & halibut were very well done and very healthful. Dessert was adorable, plated beautifully and hmhm good! We would go again, absolutely.
We were celebrating our 10th Wedding Anniversary and wanted to eat somewhere special. We saw great reviews for d bar. Reservations were easy to make via the internet. We were greeted with smiles at the reception area. Our reservation was for 8:45 p.m. and there was still a nice size crowd both outside and in. Our food took a little while to get to us but so worth the wait. Kobe sliders = juicy, grilled ahi = like butter, and ribeye steak = perfectly pink/tender in the middle. Dessert: Choc. Souffle = choc. perfection! Also, the chocoloate thingy everyone orders (molten choc. lava cake) = choc. lovers dream! We are definetly going back because there is so much more to be tasted and eaten. For the price, we definately CAN and WILL go back!
I have been a frequent visitor to D Bar since they've opened and absolutely love it. Good is always good, but the staff is better.
Everything about the experience was terrific. Food was spectacular and creative. Highly, highly recommend.
The food and devils are delicious but the dessert is even better. You can't go wrong at this restaurant. The service is also impeccable with a wait staff that is friendly and fun.
Been here twice now and have not been disappointed. Their southern fried belgian, sliders, bacon wrapped dates and gawd their desserts are just so so good! So are some of their other items I've tried, but I just wanted to give mention to the first few specifically because they blew me away. All mimosas during brunch are $3, along with happy hour priced drinks, who can say no to that. It's usually quite busy here, so I recommend making a reservation first. The staff is polite, friendly and busy, so have some patience. Great for small and casual group gatherings; and the interior is super chic too. I luv this place-- you won't be disappointed!
I am, admittedly, a regular!! There are several reasons. Their menu is creative and delicious. Their wait-staff is excellent (thank you Callie and Devon). Their food is amazingly well prepared and presented. My only complaint??? They are closed Mondays and until 5 p.m. on Tuesdays. I understand and support days off!! If you haven't tried D Bar . . . YOU are missing out!!
I found this browsing opentable after I got off work. I wanted some dessert and it was late, this was amazing. The options for dessert were great my only complaint is the attention at times from service staff there were 5 and I had to ask multiple times for my water to be refilled both intact because I drank my companions water as well. I will be going back to enjoy more of their dessert selections!
always, everytime, perfection. every dish is delicious. every staff member is outstanding. ask for joe to be your waiter. it's my favorite place to go and to bring people! i wish the menu changed more often so i'd always have new reasons to go back...i do anyway.
I have tried a lot of Burgers and this place was very impressive. The bun was soft with a thin, crisp interior to hold the burger in place. The meat was juicy but not to the point were it makes the bun soggy. The burger is served with homemade pickled veggies. A nice compliment to the burger.
D Bar was the perfect location for our dinner for 4. The food and drink was eclectic, the service was spot on, and Boryana the manager was more than delightful. We will be back!
I've been to D Bar several times over the course of this past year. Each time I've always been satisfied with what I ordered. They have been very accommodating when I had a larger group. Their customer service is friendly and the servers are attentive. The last time I went was because I had family visiting town and they heard such great things about D Bar that they had to see what it was about for themselves. The staff has delivered a great experience every time and I will most definitely be back again.
We went on a Saturday night. Most tables were occupied and the restaurant was filled with chatter. I was surprised I was able to reserve a table 10 minutes prior to arriving. We were seated promptly and a server came shortly after we were seated. I noticed there were two large groups being served. But that wasn't a problem. Our server was nice, but he could have checked in with us more frequently. The drinks were good. We got crab wonton as an appetizer. It was lacking flavor. For entrees, I got the lobster risotto. The lobster was quite delicious, but the risotto was overcooked. My friend got the halibut with this corn sauté which was excellent. We had a good experience here, there just needs to be a little more attention to details.
There is not much to complain about here. The food was excellent, albeit a little pricey. We did have a coupon, so it worked out a little better for us. The service was a bit slow, given the restaurant did not seem super busy. The ambiance was good; the decor was modern. It was a great place that I would return to and recommend for a special event.
We love this restaurant. The food is reliably terrific and the waiters could not be better.
you could just go for dessert but I would suggest that you do both. If you only have time for one, do the dessert. You may want to sit at the dessert bar and watch it be created. There are many nice tables as well. It was full on a Sunday night so I would make a reservation.
I have been to D bar a few times already & each time it gets better!
We came here on a weeknight for a birthday celebration with 12 people. They were extremely accommodating and the service was excellent. We've been here on a weekend before and it's much busier but on a slower weeknight the servers had more time to spend with us for even better than usual service and we were able to enjoy our meal without feeling like we had to give back the table by a certain time. Everyone liked their food. Mine was the grilled salmon which was pretty good but it was really more of a salmon salad than salmon-on-a-plate, so it wasn't exactly what I expected but I still enjoyed it. We also had two children with us (ages 5 and 3) and they were very accommodating towards the kids although it's not normally a kid type of place.
The employees were very energetic. Our group enjoyed the Brussels Sprouts app, very tasty. I recommend this place to the near by offices for a group get together.
Owner/Chef Keegan Gerhard is an accomplished pastry chef, and the desserts are whimsical and delicious, but the savory dishes were also done beautifully, with a fine touch for seasoning, dressing, and plating. The Crue Fries are glorious cheesy fries. Since the potatoes have a coating of flour, the waitress recommended having the sweet potato Crue Fries for someone who is allergic to wheat, and they were crispy with a lovely creamy sauce and cheddar. So delicious. The service was professional but friendly and even though this is a trendy spot, it welcoming and not snooty. A great addition to the Hillcrest dining scene.
Wait staff very attentive, but not too much. Food interesting and very good. Portions on the smallish side. A little too noisy for me (over 60j).


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Civil War Interactive Discussion Board > Civil War Talk > General Civil War Talk > What is the difference between a revolution and a civil war? |
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What is the difference between a revolution and a civil war? | Rate Topic |
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Posted: Tue Jan 4th, 2011 12:08 pm |
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williamjones thomas martin
I'm not talking about the difference between the american or french revolution and the civil war, just the difference between a revolution and a civil war in general. |
Posted: Tue Jan 4th, 2011 12:25 pm |
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Mark Member
They are close enough to be virtually synonymous, but "revolution" generally gives the connotation of an upheaval and replacement of the existing order, whereas "civil war" does not. Many persons (esp. in the south) thought of the ACW as a second American Revolution. Hope that helps. Mark |
Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2011 01:42 am |
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Albert Sailhorst Member
Civil War-war between parties, factions or inhabitants of different regions within the same nation. Revolution-an overthrow or repudiation or thoughrough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed. Last edited on Wed Jan 5th, 2011 01:45 am by Albert Sailhorst |
Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2011 05:05 pm |
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Old North State Member
Examples: The South tried to revolt (tried a revolution) against the Federal Government, but failed. The people of the North, viewing the South as a dissident population within the country, successfully fought them in a Civil War -- the folks in the North called it the War of the Rebellion. What did the Southern terms for the war imply about its nature? The War Between the States? The War of Northern Aggression? etc. ____________________ "While we live we will cherish, protect and defend her." |
Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2011 07:58 pm |
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9Bama Member
In broad terms, the definition depends on the winner. had the ACW gone in favor of the south, the war waould have been the 2nd American revolution or the War for Southern Independence... much as the American Revolutionary war was not called a war of Rebellion or a Civil War, because the revolutionaries won. cuba is a good example.. a Civil war, defined as two groups fighting for control of the government.... the revolutionaries were successful, so they call it the war of Revolution. The ACW was not a civil war. The CSA was never fighting for control of the union government. |
Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2011 09:19 pm |
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Mark Member
Bama, if not a "civil war," what word would you define the war? The most interesting one I've heard was an "insurgency," though I think that one falls short as well. Its an interesting question... Mark |
Posted: Wed Jan 5th, 2011 10:08 pm |
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Albert Sailhorst Member
The definitions I used in my previous reply came from an on-line dictionary.....How would each defintinon be applicable to the conflict in question?? |
Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2011 08:57 am |
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At issue would be the legality of Secession. If it is agreed that the Southern Confederacy of States legally and properly seceded from the Federal Union of States, then the following conflict could not, by definition, be "civil war", a war fought between two factions of the same nation. If it is not agreed that the Confederacy's secession was legal, then the Confederacy was not a legitimate, independent nation, and the member States were in rebellion. I'm hard-pressed to see secession as revolution, since the political leaders and institutions of the Southern States were not over-turned; the elected representatives of the governed of the States proclaimed an alteration in the political ties with the other States, with the consent of the governed. There were two separate acts, the withdrawal from the Federal Union, and then the joining of the Southern Confederacy, both done by the Legislatures of the individual States after authorization by the citizens. Although, from Fort Mason, Texas, in January of 1861, Col. Lee wrote to Rooney: "Secession is nothing but revolution." {that quote in context}: "Secession is nothing but revolution. The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It was intended for "perpetual union," so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution or the consent of all the people in convention assembled. It is idle to talk of secession." |
Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2011 02:47 pm |
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HankC Member
'Revolution' implies tremendous and fundamental core change (the industrial revolution, the technological revolution, the american revolution, et al). Civil War is politics by other means, typically by the overthrow of the current ruling class with a different ruling class. Our civil war was certainly not a revolution. If anything the south wanted to *avoid* fundamental change. Given the chance, they'd as soon pass on the idustrial revolution. Southern leaders wish to *remain* in power by violent means rather than bow to the power of population growth and the ballot box... HankC |
Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2011 05:39 pm |
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Texas Defender Member
The : "American Civil War" was not a civil war in the true sense. In a typical civil war, you have two or more factions either attempting to maintain the existing government or replace it with a new one. The states that formed the Confederacy were not attempting to destroy or replace the US Government, only to leave it. With all due respect to the Lee quote from a previous poster, most southerners considered that the various states that created the US Government had done so by means of a compact or covenant which was the US Constitution. While the Articles of Confederation called the previous compact: "Perpetual," the ruling document, the Constitution, did not. The southerners considered the Union to be a good thing as long as it was mutually beneficial. The problem for the agrarian south was that the various sections of the country were becoming more and more different as time passed. The north was becoming more and more industrialized. Eighty percent of new immigration went to the north and southern interests, as they saw it, became more and more at risk. As southern political power declined, so did southerners' enthusiasm for remaining tied to a US Government that they considered had ceased to treat them fairly. So, eventually, they made the decision to end the connection, as they considered that they had the right to do. As for: "Southern leaders," they were in power in the south because of the ballot box, not in spite of it. As for using: "Violent means," the vast majority preferred to avoid war rather than promote it. The Confederate Government would have preferred to compensate the US Government for federal property on its soil. Commissioners were sent to WDC to negotiate compensation, but they were rebuffed. It can be argued that some southerners acted stupidly in the various states by taking over federal property. Those actions were certainly not in the best interests of the new Confederacy. The result was disastrous for it in the end. But I would maintain that most: "Southern leaders" would have preferred to leave the US Government peacefully. They would have preferred, as Jefferson Davis said, to be "left alone." |
Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2011 05:59 pm |
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9Bama Member
A question was asked about what the war shold have been called if not a civil war. The most descriptive term I have ever read or heard of is The War Between the States. It is factual, descriptive, not politically charged, and not offensive to any group. TD, I agree with most of what you say, however, it is fact that the telegram autnorizing Gen Beauregard to fire on Ft. Sumpter did without question come from the Confederate government. That act, more than any other, was responsible for the disaster that followed. We can only speculate what might have happened vis a vis the upper states seceeding, the calls for troops by Lincoln, buildup and finally a war more terrible than anyone contemplated. |
Posted: Thu Jan 6th, 2011 06:12 pm |
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Texas Defender Member
Bama- We're in agreement about the attack on Ft. Sumter. However, Beauregard also had the option of waiting out Major Anderson. Anderson even sent word to him that he would have to leave after April 15th. What would have happened if he had chosen that option is, of course, open to speculation. |
Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2011 02:03 am |
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Albert Sailhorst Member
I think, perhaps the CW's definition is neither Civil War nor revolution, DEPENDING upon perspective. From the Confederate perspective, it was a war of independance (similar to the American Revolution, which was not meant to change the government in England at all....only to break from the government in England)....From the Federal perspective (notice, I didn't say "Northern") it was a war to maintain a cohesive nation..... |
Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2011 02:35 pm |
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HankC Member
The South is certainly attempting to replace the current government with a new one. I'm not sure it matters, in a civil war, that one wishes to replace 100% or 10% of the territory's government... |
Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2011 05:40 pm |
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Texas Defender Member
Hank C- Re: "The South IS certainly attempting to replace the current government with a new one." If you are referring to the 21st century rather than to the 19th with that statement, then my answer is: It seems that the southerners of 150 years ago outraged you by, according to you, not: "bowing to the ballot box." But now it seems that the southerners of today upset you by trying to use the ballot box to effect change. If you are referring to the 19th century and meant to say: "Was" rather than"Is," then my answer is: If the South had achieved its independence, the US Government would have continued to exist as before. All those states that were content to remain a part of it would have been free to do so. The southern states simply leaving the US would not have destroyed or replaced the US Government any more than the original 13 colonies leaving the British Empire destroyed or replaced the British Government. If the South had won the war, and instead of simply exercising sovereignty over its own territory, it then took over the US capitol and took control of the northern states, that would have constituted a destruction or replacement of the previous government. Last edited on Fri Jan 7th, 2011 07:09 pm by Texas Defender |
Posted: Fri Jan 7th, 2011 09:44 pm |
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9Bama Member
Well said, TD.... Wish I had your ability to place a paragraph worth of ideas into a single sentence! |
Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2011 04:22 pm |
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HankC Member
The southern secession leaders certainly are attempting to replace their national government in the winter of 1860-61. Democracies respect the power of the ballot box. Not sure where the idea I am 'outraged' comes from, nor do I see any reference 'according to me' about "bowing to the ballot box". HankC |
Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2011 04:58 pm |
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Texas Defender Member
Hank C- As I have previously attempted to explain, the southern leaders sought to withdraw from a compact made with the other states and to revert to their previous status as they believed that they had the right to do. Withdrawing from the United States Government was not the same thing as destroying it as an entity. As for the United States Government, it is not a democracy. It is a representative republic, where certain checks and balances on the various branches of government have been put into place. The representatives chosen by the people of the southern states (by means of the ballot box) debated the question of secession and most favored that course. I do not think that the word: "Outraged" is too strong a word to characterize your apparent disdain for the southerners of that day. In addition, your statement that they weren't interested in: "Bowing" to the ballot box (Seen in your statement on 06 January above) is a position that I do not share. While many southerners, prominent and not, opposed the idea of secession, I think it safe to maintain that most southerners of that day were in favor of cutting their political ties to the United States Government. Last edited on Sat Jan 8th, 2011 09:24 pm by Texas Defender |
Posted: Mon Jan 10th, 2011 02:32 am |
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HankC Member
Texas Defender wrote: In addition, your statement that they weren't interested in: "Bowing" to the ballot box (Seen in your statement on 06 January above) is a position that I do not share. While many southerners, prominent and not, opposed the idea of secession, I think it safe to maintain that most southerners of that day were in favor of cutting their political ties to the United States Government. Do you disagree that it is Lincoln's electoral victory ('at the ballot box') that leads to the secession of the first seven CSA states? One could also propose that the 4-year Civil War leads to another 100-year civil war where one set of southerners attempts to secure their rights and another set tries to deny those rights. The 2nd phase is closer to the definition of a true civil war: no battle lines, no armies, no rules... |
Posted: Mon Jan 10th, 2011 03:47 am |
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Texas Defender Member
Hank C- Of course the election of Abraham Lincoln led to the secession of the first seven states that then decided to form the CSA. What caused the election of Mr. Lincoln was the splitting of the Democrat party. This led to his election with less than 40% of the vote. That was the final proof in the minds of many southerners that it was no longer to their advantage to remain connected to the northern states. Your: "proposal" of the existence of a "100 year civil war" in the south presumably along racial lines seems to imply that all was sweetness and light between the various races and ethnic groups everywhere else. This was certainly not the case. I could point out many instances of racial and ethnic strife, including extreme violence, that took place in locations in the US far from the boundaries of the former CSA states in the decades following the war. So while your criticism of inequities that took place in southern states from 1865-1965 is fair, your apparent implication that such things didn't happen elsewhere is not. They were characteristic of the society as a whole. Last edited on Mon Jan 10th, 2011 03:56 am by Texas Defender |
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Today we continue the Bicentennial Challenge, a yearlong series of Saturday quizzes about Columbus history.
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Challenge No. 46
Here are four fictional law firms composed of names from the city's past. Using each slogan as a hint, identify what the names have in common:
1. Miller, Taylor & Ayers: Your slam-dunk justice team.
2. Rosecrans, Gladden, Hoge & Chase: Our help is heavenly.
3. Rush, Bobb, Graham & Swad: Driven to serve you.
4. Davis, Hyre, Etheridge & Mixon: We'll teach 'em a lesson.
Bicentennial Challenge No. 45: Answers
A. Return J. ( County on the Ohio River): Meigs
B. Thomas ( Quaint suburb): Worthington
C. Samuel ( Regional bank): Huntington
D. Seabury ( GM competitor): Ford
E. Richard ( High-ranking clergyman): Bishop
F. William ( Hexagonal wrench): Allen
• Last week's winner: Christian Peck of Gahanna