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Wesleyan University President Michael Roth has an
article on HuffPost
exploring the value of residential liberal arts institutions (of which I would include Proctor,) in the face of easily available on-line academic credit from reputable institutions. Some of us have been seeing this storm approaching since the prophetic 1999 publication of
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ome, who appreciated the immensity of the web's power, applied a naîve concept of education as the delivery of information to reach an alarming conclusion: attending schools...quality schools...expensive schools, would cease to have demand. After all, all the information is suddenly available to everyone! Who would pay forty-something thousand dollars to attend a prep school?
The topic gains attention today because Harvard University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology have just announced the availability of
credit courses this next fall to anyone in the world. They are inviting other colleges to join in exploring the potential for on-line education. It's a huge, funded project under the mega-brand
ut alarmists who see the democratization of education as a threat to schools like Proctor, Harvard, and MIT need to know that demand for admission to those colleges will only increase as they lead us in to the new era. What they know is that education includes the transmission of information, and on-line programs have--and will increasingly have--the ability to provide peer feedback and classroom-like environments. But they will never provide human-to-human experience, and--specifically--the experience of community.
ikayla orchestrated a demonstration to highlight the immediacy of climate change for her Environmental Social Science class Thursday. You can never do this on-line.
school that has positioned itself as committed to experiential modes of teaching and learning is in a good place, as schools that define college preparation in more traditional modes (of imparting knowledge) struggle. This year, Proctor is experiencing another dramatic increase (17%) in applications for admission. Perhaps Ocean Classroom, Mountain Classroom, Proctor in Spain, Euro Art and our other off-campus programs can not be experienced without being there.
But that's not the real point. You can not replicate the on-campus experience either. These kids are operating a lumber mill on campus.
ut my presentation of programs robs us from the critical point. Proctor is flourishing--and is going to continue to flourish--because of a "rubber meets the road" dynamic that is the means through which everything happens. Roth writes, "Our campuses should maximize each undergraduate's ability to go beyond his or her comfort zone to learn from the most unexpected sources." Does that not sound familiar? (This is a Proctor mantra!)
These kids are playing student-created games that explore complex social issues:
hen again.... online learning does have its place. In anticipation of the Spring Formal Dance, these boys are learning to tie bow ties via Youtube....
On-line learning provides limitless information. That is not a threat to schools at which experience, community and values are dividends.
Alumnus Grinnell Moore works with Tripp '12 on a new milling machine in the shop.
On-line learning can transit information, but there are limits.
I have taken a rock 'n roll piano course on line via Berklee, which included classmate critiques of stuff I submitted on line. Pretty cool. This is Matt, who is a superior player.
Some value Proctor's community above other qualities. Pity the opponent of Merrick....
The quality of residential life can make all the difference.
The quality of teacher-student relationships....
Students throw themselves into student-created social science games.
Strawberries for pancakes during advisory.
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Weird, all the Dark Age people in one place... I'm thinking we may need to leave a man behind, you know, like how the President/Vice President all work.
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Is there a place for true Single A hockey in the Midwest?
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:11 AM
Find me 6 to 8 arenas that are vacant, in the mid west, have reasonable travel and all have at least 4000 seats. It cant be done. The SPHL is successful because they are in non traditional markets with snowbirds that have moved to the area. They may not have the USHL or NAHL, but they have football, and the south is all about football.
I'm not talking about vacant arenas, I'm talking about pro teams that are (Dayton, maybe a Bloomington, etc.)/were struggling (Port Huron, Flint, etc.) that had there been a stable, nonglorified beer league they would have joined rather than going to the NAHL.
Yeah, football is everything in the south but is done in late November at the latest.
Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:03 AM
I am hearing 1000 Islands is bound for Watertown proper and out of the woods so to speak. I am also hearing Akwasasnee (sp) may be done. Dayton IMO is perfect for the FHl or NAHL, I think most would agree although it is a tough AA market, it could be a stellar A level market. As far as Queen City is concerned, I was told recently they are still looking for investors and the rumored AAHL revival never got off the ground. I meantioned Fraser before simply based on arena size, not on any real interest from a party I am aware of. That said, Traverse City, although small arena size, could be perfect. If a team went in there and brought in tough hockey like the old CEHL, they could sell out every night. Another place could be Lapeer, they did well in the AAHL. If the FHL offered some incentives to some former AAHL people to come in, I think you could see at least two Michigan teams. I am unaware of any such incentives being talked about though. I will go this far.......if the FHL reads this board and if they are truely interested in Michigan markets they need to make their calls quick because one of two for sure owners is going junior in the next 10 days if a pro team is not in the cards.
I'm actually pleased to hear that Watertown proper may get the Privateers. I know the City of Watertown was looking to make some upgrades to the arena to help it meet some new codes, but it used to seat around 1,200 and I know seating wasn't going to decrease. Some, if Watertown's arena is ready, it'd be great to see, because Watertown has its own TV, newspaper, radio, and some population base to work with, and existing 1000 Islands fans could still go.
It's also interesting you mentioned Lapeer. I came very close to typing that if Fraser was under consideration, I might consider Lapeer more, just because Lapeer had some demonstrated interest. A well-run Lapeer team could certainly at least be a stop-gap team, with an eventual eye toward moving to Flint (Warriors say they're committed for two more seasons, I guess).
What's the status of the Traverse City North Stars?
Would Battle Creek be a possibility to join the FHL?
Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:56 AM
They had an opportunity for an FHL team commitment as recently as February and blew them off. Arena management thought there would be a franchise swap with the NAHL going to the Soo and the NOJHL going to Traverse City. That didnt happen and wont happen now. They had a chance to be involved in an AAHL relaunch and blew that off. The opinion being expressed by people in and around the arena was that someone would save the North Stars, or someone would relocated another Tier II team there. Why would anyone do that when the arena is expensive and the fan support was pitiful? "Because we are Traverse City, we have money, and we hold Red Wings camp here." Seriously that was an answer I received from one person, paraphrased of course.
What Centre Ice hasnt calculated outside of the 40K in ice fees lost is concession revenue, beer revenue, reduced advertising value to sponsors because of reduced arena traffic, and reduced economic impact in the community with the loss of 25 player residents. Not tomention all the hotel room sales, groceries, entertainment after games and other items important to the area in winter. The youth association hasnt calculated a raise in ice fees because the arena needs to make up for the hole in the budget, and families in the association dont even see it coming. The whole thing has ripples that will be felt for years and they could have been avoided.
Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:21 PM
So, if the North Stars are indeed history, then I certainly do hope things come together for Traverse City to get Single-A hockey owned by knowledgeable ownership. As desperately as Danville needs teams in its vicinity, I would certainly hope that the FHL would consider allowing other teams into the league for little to no expansion fee, etc. If another Michigan team were to follow in quick order, then that'd be three teams in the region. If it could be the return of the Battle Creek Revolution to pro hockey, all the better. If the FHL could get Dayton, Traverse City, and Battle Creek, that'd be fantastic news. If not Battle Creek and somewhere else, fine. I'd even be thrilled if the Chi-Town Shooters returned. Can all of these markets survive if the FHL ever moves up to a league requiring 2,000 fans per game? No. But, they might just be able to make it under the current model and serve as the basis for Single-A expansion in the region when some of the bigger markets almost inevitably lose the hockey they currently have. Plus, perhaps one day there is a stratification to Single-A hockey in the region with one model that requires 1,000 and another closer to 2,000 (nothing wrong with that).
In reality, then this might be the FHL's only chance to set the deck for Single-A hockey in the region. I have said this before, the FHL has a real chance to corner the market on Single-A hockey in three regions--not immediately, but eventually. If I'm the FHL, I do almost anything it takes to help fill in at least three teams close to Danville for 2012-13. If the FHL can establish a legitimate presence in the Midwest, then they are the existing game in the region when Bloomington, Muskegon, Flint, and Port Huron lose their current hockey teams.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:45 AM
The AAHL had good players, filled a void for IHL and some ECHL call ups. It was entertaining and cheap. But every team lost money every year. Why are we even hopping this happens again? Are some people willing to loose a little every year to own a team? Sure, some people with experience are willing to do it. The problem comes when you try to find 6 teams minimum that can actually come close to loosing less than 50 to 100K per year. Most people cant afford that, and if they can, they could probably afford a CHL team but dont go that route because they see loosing more money. I am aware of two people in Michigan that want to, and could make teams work. The FHL has spoken to both of them, but not in months. Neither of them would be willing to start a team for next season after May 1st.
Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:48 AM
Minor Life and others, I will just throw out that there is ice time to fill at the Capital Centre in Lansing. As you probably know, they have undergone some changes recently. The main rink seats about 1,500 and they do have a liquor license (unless that has changed). I know Lansing could not support AA or above because of MSU but I do think this level could possibly work because of a cheap alternative to MSU and games where you could see fighting and drink beer. I would not be shocked if this area could get around 1,000 per game if marketed right and some local names were involved. I really think this rink needs to fill ice right now and this could generate revenue for the place. What do you think?
I have seen the arena, and I think it could work if you have a ton of money to invest. It costs more to operate in major markets because media is more expensive to buy. If you dont spend on media in a city like Lansing, you wont make it to Christmas. Ice costs in Lansing arent cheap, housing isnt cheap, and I dont know if the arena would have a dedicated dressing room for a team.
Posted 22 April 2012 - 01:17 PM
I couldnt agree more. The FHLs only hope is stop expanding to marginal arenas. I think the North/Northeast couold have a league similar to the SPHL. Their would be a northeast division and a midwest the thing that would make it work would be the fact they wouldnt have to play eachother at all/that much. Hopefully after a couple of years they could be on the SPHL level and maybe the two champions could square off. Recognition from higher leagues would also help Single A and for that matter the ECHL/CHL situation also. This is my view for a single A league, once all of these midwest owners realize that 400 fans a game wont cut it. some of these might be a little hard to imagine but this would be in a couple of years were the CHL/ECHL situation would all be settled and the teams that folded or got left out the ECHL/CHL would be looking for a place to play, along with the strong FHL teams. basically it would be a new UHL but it wouldnt be competing with AA leagues.
New Jersey
1000 Islands (Have they folded? i know they were having rink troubles)
Wheeling (would love for them to stay in the ECHL but new owners will probably get sick of losing money/low attendance in a couple of years
Erie ( OHL possibly going to hamilton, old rink but its good for single A standards)
Jamestown (talking about renovations to add seats and they are suffering in NAHL)
Youngstown (beautiful facility would be GREAT for the league but if they were to move from junior the ECHL would come calling)
Lewiston (All they want is USHL and they have pulled out of talks with FHL but what if it never comes? quite a gamble, maybe if their isnt USHL hockey there in a couple of years and this proposed league is doing alright things would be different
Bloomington (AA future is uncertain and unless the USHL came which i really dont see they could be looking for hockey)
Flint (warriors have failed, the people of flint want pro hockey back at perani)
Port huron (falcons are having same attendance problems has warriors)
Danville (more regional opponents could make for better attendance)
Dayton (already rumored to be making single A move anybody have info on this?)
Muskegon (longshot but attendance has been dropping)
st.charles (only if they are not an ECHL or CHL team in a couple of years)
chicago (amazing rink compared to the rest of the league. remember this is years from now, if somebody wanted to try it and was scared of ECHL budget why not?
It would be ideal to have a 11-12 team league with anyone of the markets i mentioned above. 2 divisions would rarely play except for finals keeping regional rivalries and travel costs down.
Mississippi S.
Mississippi RK.
Bossier Shreveport
Texas (Brahmas)
Jacksonville (peviously housed SPHL and they have a very nice arena also heard they wanted hockey back)
Rio Grande (probably NAHL)
Laredo (probably NAHL)
anyone have info on them? there was a talk about SPHL but the NAHL seems to be best option.
not much would change in the SPHL as they have a pretty good set up. a few questions though
1. could/will bossier return?
2. do rio or laredo have any chance of staying pro or is it NAHL or bust?
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 02:13 PM
I still don't think junior hockey is the end-all answer. If fighting were to be banned in junior hockey, things change big time. Big time.
We'll see to what degree junior hockey is a superior answer to Single-A hockey in some markets by what happens, long term, in Muskegon, Flint, Port Huron, and now Johnstown. Can the NAHL work in Texas? It sure looks like it? The old Midwest and now Mid-Atlantic? We'll see.
I have little doubt that 2,000 fans would come out each game for a well-run, professional Single-A team in Muskegon at Walker Arena, and if you're operating on a model that allows that... I have little doubt that 1,500 fans would come out each game for a well-run, professional Single-A team in Flint (maybe even 2,000 if they had hope of not being patsies to a specific team in a welfare hockey league). I feel confident Port Huron could turn out 1,500 for such a Single-A team, too, and the same goes for Johnstown.
I'm just not sold on the NAHL being able to capture the interest of these former minor pro markets in the Midwest and Great Lakes region. Maybe it'll slowly happen, and I understand why the NAHL is trying it (and not just greed by the league commissioner/president). Since it looks like nobody is going to try to start a Single-A league in Texas, have at it NAHL. It'd be great to see a swath of teams down there averaging 1,750+ fans per game, if not over 2,000 fans per game.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:19 PM
The Falcons are doing great and will probably advance to the Robertson Cup, but they are not creating the following that even the Icehawks had. I still contend that cities that support their team all year want that team to have the chance to win the league and cup in that town and not a nuetral site in Texas.
With a well planned league format and controlled cost, I think it could work. Flint and Port Huron would love to renew the pro rivalry they use to enjoy.
Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:29 PM
Generally, the minimum width allowed per person is 18 inches (there are, of course, recommendations for 22 to 24 inches for more comfortable seating). But, if we proceed from the 18 inches allowed (determined by localities and whatnot). Let's also note that the minimum width generally allowed for aisles is four feet (width dividers, so 2 feet on each side of that).
So, let's say a standard arena has bleacher seating from goal line to goal line (which will hopefully be 180 feet or so). Then, let's say this will have a standard of six aisles (one on each end, four intertior). You now have 156 feet for the bleachers. Divide that by 18 and you get seating for 104 people per row. Then, multiple the number of rows and you then have the seating capacity.
This is roughly the setup for The Edge Arena in Holland, Michigan. It has 9 rows, and its bleachers run from goal to to goal line (roughly), and it has five or six aisles. So roughly, we now that The Edge seats around 936 people.
Now, the last photos I saw of Traverse City's arena is that their bleachers did not span blue line to blue line. They appeared to be about 20 feet short of each blue line. If that is indeed the case (still the case), they'd have about 114' of bleacher space after accounting for their aisles (six aisles). They'd be roughly bleacher space for 76 people per row. They have 9 rows, and that multiplies out to 684. There's also the new mezzanine bleachers (two or three rows that don't have the best view in that I don't think you can actually see all of the one offensive zone when seated in the bleachers (similar to the side boards the University of Illinois' ice arena, where the bleachers are raised above the ice surface in a bowl overlooking the ice sheet). In the end, when you factor in the lounge, suite, handcapped area, and endboard bistro tables, you'd be hard-pressed to get much more than 1,000 per game in Traverse City's arena (even though I see numbers like 1,500 thrown around on various sites online).
The same goes for The Summit at Capital Centre in Lansing. It may have 14 rows, but it doesn't run the entire distance from goal line to goal line. In fact, nearly an entire offensive zone has no seating (official dimensions for an offensive/defensive zone is 75 feet - 64 feet plus 11 feet behind goal line). I'd be incline to put the seating for that arena closer to 800. There is additional space to work with for things, so you could potentially consider Lansing under current Single-A models, but it could never compete in a Single-A league designed for teams that can average 1,500 or more fans per game.
So, just numbers to remember when gauging the seating capacity of an arena.
Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:30 PM
Go Generals! Go Michigan! Go Red Wings! Go Pistons! Go Tigers! Go Lions!
Posted 11 May 2012 - 08:28 AM
What's troubling me is the lack of PR this team has......case in point, the Blaze GM was on WJBC (local radio station) 4 weeks ago in April announcing a new coach will be announced by June 1st. Granted it isn't June 1st, but can't they say "we've narrowed the pool of coaches to THIS MANY?". Also the last dated post on the Blaze site was April 10th and that really didn't have anything to do with the Blaze. It almost feels like last year all over again......
They need to take some pointers from the minor league Baseball team in Normal. They were at my school the other day and GAVE EACH kid 4 vouchers for ANY Tuesday night home game the rest of the season.
The Blaze offered reduced price tickets to 1 game last year....
Posted 11 May 2012 - 10:51 AM
wait, what? Trouble in Bloomington....reveal your sources (LOL I've been hearing about troubles in BLM since I moved here in '08).
Indeed. You know J, as a Bloomy hockey fan myself, although 90 miles away, the whole scene has become so mundane I rarely follow anymore. I long ago took a show my eyes don't tell my ears approach to anything Bloomy hockey.
Best thing going on down there hockey wise is the arena. Hard to believe that beautiful facility would ever sit dormant of hockey, for too long anyways. So IMO it's a pretty safe bet that hockey in one form of another will be there for the Bloomy hockey fan....... Keep throwing hockey leagues/teams/owners against the wall and sooner or later something will stick and the fans in Bloomy will get the hockey they deserve.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:47 PM
I am also a Bloomy hockey fan, and I travel about 60 miles from Springfield (with a NAHL team with much more affotable prices), to Bloomy to support them and the main reason is the higher level of hockey.
Welcome, fowl. .......How long have you followed Bloomy hockey and how many NAHL Springfield games have you attended? What's that arena like in Springfield?
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RIP Huckleberry. 1995-2009.... Thanks for 14 unforgettable years Huck. You will forever be loved and missed.
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Not much to choose from in the area with a reasonable price. They were accomodating and for the short yome we stayed, served the purpose. Better than where our friend was staying tho (we paid our last respects at the nearby cemetary.)Hotels.com 真实住客点评
The hotel was really clean. It is close to a lot of stores. The service was great except that I asked for extra pillows and they said they did not have any until morning. The room had a microwave and a refrigerator. It was worth the price. I would stay here again.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
Our stay was very pleasant. the office manger was extremely nice and so friendly. the breakfast was well beyond what we expected. We would definitely stay there again.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
It was expected for that hotelHotels.com 真实住客点评
"Decent lodging, great location."
The customer service was under the par, but overall decent. If you don't spend a lot of time at the hotel, it's a decent place to sleep in and stay for a little while. The property is a little sketchy, but the hotel manager is often seen walking around and keeping watch. The location is probably the greatest aspect of the hotel- it is right on the Pacific […] Coast Highway and less than 20 miles from some really nice beaches and the drive to downtown LA isn't too bad, either. There is a microwave and refrigerator in the room and the suite is spacious. The overall cleanliness of the hotel room was decent- the carpet was a little dirty, but the bathroom was clean. If you're looking for a smaller, modest place to stay, the price is right and it's adequate. There aren't a lot of parking spaces, but depends on when you stay (parking is free, though). 阅读更多信息Expedia 真实住客点评
"over all good!"
It was surprisingly nice and comfy for the price, but the front desk staff was rude and unorganized. My son went down stairs to grab some sugar for me form the breakfast area and they yelled at him.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"Never again!!!!"
My wife and I are in our early 60's and both of us have some trouble with mobility. Was given a 2nd floor room and the elevator was out of service! We had to lug all our stuff up the stairs and then all the way to our room. Then went to get ice and the only machine in service was by the highway and cost 50 cents to keep our drinks cold. What???? The […] clerk asked me if I had 50 cents and when I said no, he gave the needed coin to me. What???? Ridiculous! The room had a bad odor about it although appeared to be clean. There was no writing paper in the room and not even a pencil. We asked not to have our rooms made up after the first night but the maid did it anyway and then left us no towels or wash cloths. This was one of the worst experiences I have ever had while staying away from home. Take my advice and never stay at this place!!!!!!!!! 阅读更多信息Expedia 真实住客点评
"Nice hotel surrounded by all restaurants with low"
Beautiful Room with all fresh towels and bed sheets. Owner of this hotel came personally to me at parking lot to make sure I was happy with their service.Expedia 真实住客点评
"Run-down hotel that seriously needs upgrades"
Room was not clean. Small critters were seen in the sink area. The smell of sewage was quite pronounced.Expedia 真实住客点评
Could've been a lot better The hot tub wasn't working cannot use the poolHotels.com 真实住客点评
Very old and dirty. Would not recommend to anyone. Way overpriced. VERY disappointed.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"Cleaner rooms would make it a reasonable choice"
The hotel's location is good with easy access from 405 and HW 1. The rooms are big enough and bathrooms are neatly maintained. The only issue we faced was that the carpets in the rooms were dirty. We had to wear footwear while walking in the room also. Apart from that the hotel is a good deal for the price they offer.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"Nothing but disappointment"
My family of 4 stayed for a night. The room smells like smoke and it was advertised as non smoking. No iron and iron board, no hair dryer. There is no facial tissue either. Of all of the hotel I've been, this is the only hotel that don't have iron and hair dryer. I give plus on microwave and fridge but that's about it. The room is filthy and needs to […] change the ugly old color carpet. The bed is uncomfortable. The day we were getting ready and about to leave, the staff called and say we need to be careful on the water that it was dripping all the way down to other rooms. And that our tub is over flowing and they're gonna send somebody to check it. And it's not even overflowing. How could you use a tub that don't have even plug for the drains. And I would've called them already to fix it right? That they're were gonna charge me for the damage. How could they charge me for something I didn't do. Hotels should be inspected every time to make sure everything is working well. We grab a breakfast and they run out of coffee that they don't have time to make it. The doughnuts are too old to eat. Don't have much selections. The staff are not very friendly at all. I asked the staff if they're gonna charge me for the staff i didnt do and good thing he said no. He better not.I would not recommend this hotel.... 阅读更多信息Expedia 真实住客点评
"Pretty good."
I found the room to be nice. It was rather clean and the location is actually pretty close to the beach. A 10 minute drive or so. I stayed here to visit redondo beach. The neighborhood isn't sketchy and the hotel is renovated but still possesses some old time characteristics. the room had mirrors above the bed, which is off putting to some but i found […] it convenient for watching tv at all angles. overall, this is exactly what i expected for the money. also, the bathroom is rather small and not like conventional hotels. it doesn't have the long counter so someone can get ready while the other showers. it's an all in one type quarters. the fridge and microwave were quite a gift however. 阅读更多信息Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"Lovely room but poor service"
The woman who checked us in was helpful but unfriendly. The "free breakfast" was a joke. They told us breakfast started at 6am. But when we arrived to eat at 7am someone had gone out to buy food and they only thing on the counter was toast. They offered coffee, tea, orange juice, donuts (which is NOT a proper breakfast item), one type of stale bread, […] and sometimes they had mini boxes of cereal/oats and bananas but they always ran out. It's a pathetic marketing ploy to claim "free breakfast". Otherwise the room was lovely and clean. 阅读更多信息Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"nice hotel lots of restaurants ad shops nearby"
I have stayed at a lot of hotels that have been less than satisfactory and it was extremely refreshing to have a nice room to stay in.My only concern was when one of the staff didnt help out a potential customer.I work in a place thats very big on customer service and making a person want to come back...if i had been this girl i wouldve gone elsewh […] ere. 阅读更多信息Expedia 真实住客点评
Paint peeling off rusty door frames, towels that feel like sandpaper, zero water pressure for shower, water took 10 minutes to warm up enough to shower, rooms smell, carpet dirty, free breakfast a joke (bananas, weak coffee, and day old doughnuts). Looks like owners are trying to save every nickel they can. DON'T BOOK THIS HOTEL.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
I know that this hotel was not a 4 star hotel but it exceeded all my expectations. The owner and staff were very attentive to our needs during our stay. I think that it is perfectly located to enjoy all the nearby breaches and attractions. I would definitely stay here again. The only thing that I would improve is the internet speedHotels.com 真实住客点评
"convenient to airport"
This is a nice clean hotel on PCH, away from beaches.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
No hair dryer but room was certainly sufficient for our needs. I would recommend this hotel to anyone as long as thier destination location was close. California traffic was not the most pleasant part of our trip.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"nothing good to say"
It sucked. Freezer did not work, jacuzzi was not working, could not check in until 1 hour later than posted. Waken up by a fist fight outside at 11:00 at night. Place was dirty, maid came in a cleaned and we came in and the toilet was not even touched. We came here once before and it was nice. WHAT HAPPENED.??????Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"Close to PCH, 6 Miles from the Beach"
Roms where large and clean, Modern HD TV, big fridge and microwave. Hot Tube was out of Order during out stay, Pool was clean. Noisy location because direclty located on PCH . Staff was friendly. Drive time to redondo beach is about 10 minutes, Nice Area on the right to Rancho Palo Verdes (Drive up to the mountain, nice area), area to the left more […] rough, not suggesting to walk alone there... 阅读更多信息Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"Good for a Romantic one-nighter"
Mirrors. Everywhere. Clean, mini fridge, and large tub. Tub had the smell of chlorine on it, made bathing slightly uncomfortable than it should have been.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
The stay was good,friendly staff. Location thru Hotels.com was confussing.. Once we foind out it as west it was very easy to find.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"Great hotel, needs improvement."
The hotel was very well kept and cleaned frequently. The room was big with excellent king size beds. But the sink was completely clogged and we couldn't use it. The breakfast was offered but no chairs or tables to sit down and eat your corn flakes or toast.Expedia 真实住客点评
"great hotel"
Very large room. The room had 2 large beds and we had a roll away bed and still had plenty of room to move around with 5 adults.Expedia 真实住客点评
"A place to Sleep"
This hotel was a bit strange.... With mirrors on the ceiling, headboard and side wall this was sensory overload. The staff was friendly and helpful. Yes they do have blow dryers upon request, free wifi and frig.Expedia 真实住客点评
"Make sure you book a cruise room"
Our disappointment was when we picked the hotel on line, it stated free shuttle to cruise dock. I called to see if they had a shuttle from the airport and they stated no, but verified they did offer it to the cruise dock. After arriving at the hotel we went to the office to make arrangements for the shuttle and they stated that we did not book cruise […] rooms, so therefore there would be a charge of $35.00. 阅读更多信息Expedia 真实住客点评
The room is spacious enough to accommodate big family members. It's quite even though a busy street is just several feet away. We always sleep late at night but there is always a parking space available. I will go back to this hotel again.Expedia 真实住客点评
"service was soso"
The shower curtain poll fell down along with shower curtain,they conintial breakfast was horrible the coffee wasnt hot old stele donuts,bread had flys around it on the table by bananas that wasn't ripe not very kosherHotels.com 真实住客点评
HOTEL IS CLOSE TO SAILING CENTRE.wE BOOKED THIS HOTEL BECAUSE OF IT'S LOCATION TO THE DOCKS AND THEY OFFERED A FREE SHUTTLE TO THE PEIR UNTILL WE BOOKED IT UPON ARRIVAL. WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE WAS A $35.00 FEE. tHAT IS NOT WHAT IS SAID ON HIS WEB PAGE VERY DISAPPOINTING . ALSO MY HAD CALLED TO ENQUIRE IF THEY PROVIDED A SHUTTLE FROM THE AIRPORT WHICH […] THEY DO NOT. 阅读更多信息Expedia 真实住客点评
Over prized roomHotels.com 真实住客点评
"avoid this motel"
The hotel did not deliver what was advertized. Said that it had shuttle to cruise center with stay and park. They did shuttle us to the cruise center but said that they could not pick us up. Had to take a cab. The motel it"s self was not well kept and the first room they put us in had a broken toilet. The second room was set up for activities other […] than sleep (mirrors on the headboard, ceiling and one whole wall). Would not recommend. 阅读更多信息Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"Highly Disappointing Experience!"
Do not! I repeat, DO NOT stay at this hotel! Extremely disappointing! It is old, dirty, filthy and out date! Nothing about this hotel is worth mentioning! Do not stay here!Expedia 真实住客点评
Convenient location and great price.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"Total Great experience. Great for couples."
WOW. Mirrors on top, side and behind the bed make it a nice experience. Also very clean and quite. I would definitely stay again.Expedia 真实住客点评
"It's okay for a night stay"
It's okay for a night stay. The room key didn't work and it is from old school style. the front entrance door didn't close smoothly. Room 122 was right next to the lundray room.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"Not recommended for more than 1 night."
The location and access to the hotel is good but then everything goes downhill. Looks like a rundown place and the look and feel is old. Although the rooms are refurbished but nothing special to write about. The carpet and the sheets looked clean but no toilet supplies provided and the tissue roll was also not stocked. Before leaving next morning we […] posted a sign for maid service and were disappointed to find no service being done when we retured late night. Had to call up front desk to get tissues, towels and toilet rolls. The breakfast was also very basic bread/dougnuts/fruits/juice/coffee. 阅读更多信息Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"bad site to take breakfast"
have a small place to take breakfastHotels.com 真实住客点评
"not to happy"
i will never stay inn this hotel i had to pay for ice really come onHotels.com 真实住客点评
"Close to shpping & college"
Very clean room and well pricedHotels.com 真实住客点评
"They asked us to plunge our own toilet. Seriously."
We chose this hotel for the free parking and free breakfast and they delivered on both counts. The beds were comfy, the rooms were clean enough that I didn't think I'd get bedbugs, but the hot tub was broken when we were there, the wifi was spotty and when our toilet clogged, they demanded that we plunge it ourselves. Seriously.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
what kind of hotel or motel charge for ice. the carpets need to be shampooed. i stepped on it after my shower with the towel and you can see all the build up years of traffic on the bottom of the towel. after i seen that we would not step on the carpet with our bare feet or socks.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"No thanks..."
Nasty, roasty and not good for family and spider in the room.Expedia 真实住客点评
"OK, but not on the Coast."
A few more handicap parking spots would be great. Eldorado Coast hotel was not close to the water. (my bad, for not checking)Expedia 真实住客点评
"nice hotel for a family vacation."
Nice hotel, close to the beaches and downtown. 3 story with an elevator. Wi-fi has a bit to be desired as the "best" we could get for a connection was low and dropped out, often. The last 2.5 days we had no connectivity to the net, though connected to the router. Continental breakfast was donuts & coffee. Fridge & microwave worked great. 2 king beds […] was nice! All in all, nice place. 阅读更多信息Expedia 真实住客点评
"Old but comfortable"
Compared to how the other motels in the neighborhood looked, I was extremely impressed with this one. Because the price was so reasonable, I wasn't expecting a flat screen tv, frig and microwave. The hotel is a little outdated, but overall it was a comfortable stay.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"our family spent one night, it was ok"
very nice, the hotel was clean and the area was good! had funExpedia 真实住客点评
"a must stay highley recommended"
a perfect place to stay, buitifull scenery of the pier and beaches. very clean and very comfortable.so close to everything.Hotels.com 真实住客点评
"Good Value"
Staff was friendly and attentive . Rooms were clean and Price was right . Didn't care much for the free breakfast but considering the rate i paid i won't complainHotels.com 真实住客点评
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After taking spectacular close-ups of Saturn and its rings, the Cassini spacecraft turned its attention to Titan, Saturn's largest moon. Using imaging radar, the spacecraft peered through Titan's smog blanket--its thick orange atmosphere, consisting primarily of nitrogen and trace amounts of at least a dozen kinds of organic compounds, extends hundreds of kilometers above the surface. Making its closest approach of 1,200 kilometers on October 26, Cassini was able to resolve features down to 300 meters across while traveling at 21,800 kilometers per hour. It mapped roughly 1 percent of a satellite world larger than either Mercury or Pluto.
The images returned so far have astonished scientists. Cassini has not detected any signs of the long-predicted gasolinelike seas of methane, propane or butane that are speculated to be as much as three kilometers deep. But investigators were quick to point out that the data did not preclude their existence, either. Perhaps more surprising, Cassini found hardly any evidence of impact craters. The lack of craters suggests that Titan, made of equal parts water ice and rocky matter, is continuously reshaping itself.
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Getting short changed buys Social Security near retirees now putting more into Social Security they will be getting back.
At -- -- shows it's gonna get even worse with negative returns like best.
Two workers be able -- opt out of Social Security altogether while hi everybody -- sharpest on it welcomed the passionate.
I guess it doesn't explain have -- -- there is static and I make Tracy -- John might build and joining us is that our great friend -- Darcy so good to see all of you -- And -- -- it is time to let workers opt out so security good idea.
Well surely -- outfitted to begin with prime minister if they were -- stand and of course they should be allowed to opt out to mean would you want to opt out of Bernie Madoff knowing it was a fraud a knowing it would collapse knowing that you lose money.
Christian you're laughing but that's exactly what -- security is there's no seeding their personal and it is an account well whoever does not catch your name on it it's just that.
Money stolen from you now when you hope that future generations are gonna have their money stolen for you an added -- up -- an eight trillion dollar unfunded liability -- -- transition to what we had before Roosevelt created it.
A private system overcame a retirement sitting in this country.
You know what I have to say this -- legend John -- if you look at the numbers there really isn't a laughing matter to be honest with you and me right I got -- six million people on Social Security that's gonna go up to 91 million people by 2035.
With the system continuing to lose money heading for bankruptcy maybe this isn't about -- opera to those now.
That are saying forget it I don't want that.
I think people should be allowed to opt out the problem is this did not start as a Ponzi scheme it has become a Ponzi scheme the problem is in 1968 think the unified budget together which Lyndon Johnson and acted -- for -- 1969.
Word congress now has the legal right to steal the money that's going to future retirees you have a person makes 43000 dollar a year they pay in more than they take out this is eradicated poverty for the elderly this is a wonderful -- except for the fact since 1959.
Politicians have stole this money -- used it for something else.
You know Christian for the economy it's an interesting question to put out there because that money.
We'll go -- the economy.
Now that would give the best NBA economy needs right now.
-- -- not exactly Sherlund is going back to the report itself it makes a couple of assumptions that are not actually consistent with the reality that most people experience that assumes that people are gonna.
Work for forty years consecutively would no breaks making average income.
And contribute.
All of that money and that therefore that's the -- that's gonna exist but what happens in actuality.
People have breaks and their employment.
As we certainly know people live a lot longer than 82 in 85 so in essence the Social Security providing much greater benefit.
They're not report indicated plus it doesn't even go to talking about the disability.
Insurance -- the survivors benefits it understates what Social Security gives the people and by the way.
It's all guaranteed something that you can't get -- private.
Mark your question that even low carb -- you have serious problem that's fair points -- -- but let that be at the idea here is that should -- be able to opt out.
Now I mean we we keep talking about.
The death now that is happening is -- security why not give.
Those of us are age the younger generation the of the that the choice to get out because we just frankly -- expected to be around we retired.
At all.
Why would you opt out of something it's providing a much better benefit than you can get in the private market and the -- Isn't it.
Who -- you'll want that members say -- and to Charles point but regardless of what the numbers say that I can't find anyone.
In my generation was expecting -- security be there because to John's boy they're stealing from it and they have no interest in paying it back.
The entitlements in this it in this country are so out of control we can't of board them.
So the best thing we can do for people -- allow them to opt out take matters into their own hands because -- our generation and generations below us.
Live their lives depend on something that we long I was not going to be there will be on welfare when -- Wayne what do you make of all of that I mean for those now that needs -- -- now they are not that for those like myself.
Well you know you can talk about need need need to what it's gonna do well all of that at Christian and you talked about -- rightfully so but what is it gonna call us.
What is the ultimate cost of this.
John pointed out I woman earning 435 -- yet she's gonna put in 290000.
Dollars over this.
Whether she's steady and not it averages out and she gets back 260 -- -- doesn't make any sense as -- by the same token by the same token.
This it act was in acted at a time when life expectancy was roughly fifteen years less than it is -- the you should index ended police still life expectancy us something make it rational don't quite get a giveaway program is Joseph this is that -- -- artist.
To have to -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- You're you're forced to be part of -- windy as you point out you don't get anything back close to what you put into the biggest thing I think you you give up is your liberty is you freedom we think about that you born into this obligation to -- future generations in hopes that.
If you -- you -- or current generations.
In hope that future generations are going to be taxed for -- benefit so it's not like the government actually has a guaranteed to Christian as you said there is no guarantee that this age has been risen the benefits have been cut there's no safety and the safety net despite.
I was -- the -- I have yeah.
I get the notion that we have to take care of our our elderly you.
I think also -- teach them how to do it on their own and it's starting with our generation that's the way to do it and look there's no parent out there.
And -- here wanna bump I know for a fact you're not telling you a little -- you know that there are gonna get so security when they retired you're not.
Yeah -- -- for them right now I know it but Chris Chris.
There's got to separate it that's a separate issue politicians who have their hands -- -- kitty -- jars separate issue from the value of a program which is serve to keep all people out of poverty in his very necessary.
In order to ensure that we don't have to will -- other -- -- old people.
You know -- -- -- -- imagine they are Christian let me respond to that though because here at the -- bigger question here is that we're not talking about those that are taking some security benefits.
Now obviously you would have to stack -- this throughout the years to make a bigger change in the system.
But at the same time all we're saying is give a choice may be just a choice.
-- you to myself to any of us here whether an -- when -- participated program that you yourself just said politicians are are bankrupting -- months.
But let's look at that choice throw someone -- out of social security and moving forward down the line the outlive their retirement savings war they retire at the point where we have a stock market crash like we did in 2008.
What are we going to do our regal it'll allow them to be poor or re not going to use our resources to make sure you're able -- assist.
Because I think we're gonna allow free choice and in this society in the probably having Chris and I -- he wanted to percent about the benefits Social Security look when a single retiree.
A 50% of -- -- -- get 90%.
Other income from Social Security.
We have a red indicated poverty under Social Security this is a wonderful program for the elderly and I don't have -- -- -- the ball back to wait a minute Jonathan.
But the problem we had this.
Have stolen from future generations and that's what is made this thing -- this game we needed overhaul.
If -- security with the company it would be declared bankrupt immediately be -- declared insolvent so there's not like they're these.
Assets that governments may be just making the wrong choice with the wrong choice is that 12% of your income is taken out and paid to current beneficiaries.
Our deal are all people poor or maybe some of them are because they've been having on his it'll come to get away from them -- it was scheme we know on paper loses money -- always good choices inherent to American ideals that would mean we -- -- -- -- it went about step out of his chair Leila.
So I just didn't make it an underlying the point John of the just made this is not a pay as you goal.
That's how you think this is say this is a pines a yes in the sense that you are paying in money.
-- not for your retirement but to pay the guys who's got it right now now.
At some point in time it's in you -- you -- they don't realize that they think they're putting money away in an account that live on it I get the benefit out that something today.
Not true and it should be explained that -- it's outrageous I think Dwyane and Jonathan agree he's right it's -- to get them.
-- back another that I don't -- to be caught up up up up up.
I think that's got some great discussion all of -- all right coming up.
Freaking out at the taxpayers' expense.
As families struggle with rising food prices kids are getting your premiums whether they're dvds or not -- -- free lunch room.
Players are digesting two way plug.
Whatever you think well.
Lawmakers looking to make it easier for convicted felons to land where five banning background checks.
-- your office -- here comes a real employment emergency.
As -- prices soar tax payers are getting whacked twice.
-- to the grocery store and again -- taxpayer funded free lunch programs.
-- -- three million people eating for free -- more than 30000 sites across America.
And what program in California even lets any kid regardless of family income chow down at no cost the tri city.
Another yourself you say the taxpayers can't eat the cost.
Anymore of this this is so typical of what's going on in the administration there's no checking no eligibility -- anyone couldn't locked in for these so called free lunches.
I can.
And just feed my three -- and you have the pick up the diamond paper my kids just because no one is asking me at the door whether or not qualify for welfare.
These -- for welfare kids feed them all you want but if you do not qualify you should be asked the door and you should be turned away.
I should be paying for free lunches and a high -- of food that's in the grocery store all the same time Wayne do you think that we should be bothered I mean these are kids got to -- the kids right did.
-- -- -- -- bothered by -- this California program as well Roland let me put it this way I think it's a good program.
It's once again in the X -- Q -- of the program.
It's like saying something about Social Security I health -- all of these things it costing us a fortune into the execution -- the abuse of the program that's bad.
And that the federal government has no way to check on it they don't do anything about it.
The schools themselves don't do anything about it.
It has to -- it has to be monitored and it has to be just like everything else so is that about your shows up but when does is give me a check target -- -- hot dog or whatever that it is.
It can't be deep continued that -- you've got to stop.
And -- it up when I mean look good program good exit a good plan always saying bad execution.
What you clinical a couple things this has been around since 1975.
So this is not -- Obama administration program secondly don't edit yeah.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- and -- also don't do so Ani brain would you also prefer that we spent money on bureaucrats determining eligibility or providing food for -- kids.
Thirdly by -- -- who doesn't need a free lunch.
Who goes -- gets a free -- the problem is with them not with the program the fact is these programs are in communities.
Where half of the children are eligible for free and reduced -- so this is a very real need and instead of devoting money.
To determining eligibility they're devoting moneys into providing food for these poor kids.
Rip bricks and I just.
I have to chuckle because you know I didn't -- graduate college but I did learn that there is no such thing as a free lunch the everyone's blog about the -- -- the -- is real it is not free someone pays for of course.
It's tax payers and is that had a points out this isn't it it used.
Regularly who know has done more to alleviate poverty for eight Americans of any age did business globally spent 5% of our income in this country vs -- -- -- 25% of their income.
Jordan may spend 40% so we need free market -- not more entitlement and -- Department of Education -- become.
I don't know there were going to lose his -- before before the 1975.
Right Donovan.
I -- an -- -- that's another good -- Obama government officials have sought.
For decades and I don't care this thing has been around since this global war it's run up poorly look I run a charity for kids on their most days handing out the -- myself.
It comes from private enterprise.
Government cannot run any thing effectively.
This needs to be going to kids that need they need to partner was somebody like art room or somebody else -- Asking for their -- government involvement at all believe me.
But -- departed -- to mention the food is going to the right kids not to Angelina Jolie's kids that -- -- -- somebody else.
-- -- says -- a lot of children that's a great point that way you'll get something right I mean this this particular program that were citing here today is a programming California to summer program fair enough.
But this is -- state that's got dire financial problems.
And we keep pointing out the different ways that these states like California could say fix their financial problem.
Well -- that they don't -- -- -- John is right it's not a done went with private charities ideas came back from -- from -- Wyoming where.
The same kind of thing the people who run in the food program out there it's a private group the community runs it it does it very well much better in the federal government to come back to your point.
Christian way you say you know you gonna hire some more bureaucrats would you rabbi -- bureaucrats to check on this hope we could do that for the IRS whose whose movement abuses of the of the of that tax system are so jag.
Getting millions in every one of these programs in every one of these programs.
Because the federal government has no idea what they do and that he's getting -- check and refunds to people in jail depict children people are under under the age of ten years so there are.
Message does not one program you can name that is efficient.
Lee -- -- -- for a finer point on a chair over a bridge if I could.
I don't think it's just that private enterprise can do a better it's in my opinion only moral when private enterprise doesn't mean government is not -- -- send it again and again and again.
And for years and the people they don't you care about steelworkers they're -- -- Karabakh teachers don't -- -- children.
Private individuals make that happen.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- you have a bad conscious in you don't care about how we spend our money.
I -- just what the bill and not give the DM about that that's the -- I don't care -- -- have a conscious or not I'm not buying you lunch you don't -- -- it and that's the bottom on this and that.
A mother of three everybody yeah apples are fifty that's just discuss some very interesting are able coming up.
On the -- you won't get away with.
Oh yes you will if you're applying for a job.
As millions of law abiding citizens look forward -- -- lawmakers trying to make it easier for convicted -- to get a job.
-- millions of law abiding citizens looking for work today one congressman from Michigan is trying to make it easier for folks with.
Criminal backgrounds to get a job.
His bill would ban employers from running a criminal background check before.
Making a job -- when you say this isn't a dangerous idea you're speaking from experience here.
Gets a very dangerous idea by the way I'm I'm not against trying to get.
Four month notes but solid cut jobs and -- making them -- useful members of the committee but it.
I know of a personal case where.
A an employer.
Found out after the fact that -- the employee had had some had a criminal record.
There and then have to notify the insurance company the insurance company says you must.
We can't carry that because this person has access to certain files and you would have to get rid of that employee are you have to drop your insurance so it's a good it's a scary point.
That's a good example you know John -- -- effect on businesses what -- is it gonna cost them if you wait that long.
For that for the background -- Yeah businesses don't have time to spend a month vetting someone and then find out they have a criminal record this -- -- -- -- he -- he is what is wrong with politics this guy from his fine arts degree at -- he's been in politics -- -- -- -- And now he's going to make regulations and rules all people like Wayne Rogers who built businesses their entire career.
They don't know what they're doing that's why there and politics and an atomic have bet somebody for a month and then they find out they've got a criminal record you've wasted that businesses found this -- terrible piece -- -- That's why didn't go into politics I don't have a criminal record how does but I'm not that clean up but Kristin let me ask you this Christian do you think did it we should be waiting that long.
That's what he wants it is the waiting -- -- here and cares about her.
Yeah yeah I'm not a -- the federal legislation but I applaud the effort because this is a serious problem 65 million people in this country have criminal histories and we do not make it possible for them to get.
Jobs and employment so that they can be self sufficient.
-- we are in effect saying is that we wanna encourage those people to either be on public assistance or be rescinded this thing go back to a life of crime.
Which we also pay for so.
While I don't agree that the federal -- is the way to go I think this should be done at the the state and local level I think the effort is serious and we ought to consider.
-- -- doesn't -- -- -- the kids coming up the ranks hey you could -- all you want no one's gonna ask I think this is crazy but does raise don't have a -- raised to forgive.
But I have a right to know what I'm for giving -- that.
-- -- -- -- -- -- I'm -- geriatric.
Today degenerate attempt -- to basically ruined the business and what makes a business successful.
Is a business person's mind they're making the right decisions to -- comes in and says no you can't.
Think like this you can't act like this -- like -- -- asking somebody to -- to run a business mother blender they don't have the tools they need to actually make Smart decisions so it's suicidal for business and it's tremendous infringement on people's right as candidates to be their decision not to get.
Have a Christian Garcia thank you for being here again -- -- they have that you are are coming up everybody.
-- -- -- -- all bark and no -- Forget money guys if you want to know where things are heading look no further than find out.
And this time pro what do I need you know for next week Tracy -- not a -- sit -- recessions -- pets less dogs and cats at home because it was -- honest I'm not can get any better people got to move to find work.
Haven't a pass on -- going to be tough man ever to go to your shelters all right -- -- film.
Spending of animals Manchester United -- -- -- this league don't -- only zinc -- hooligans and bad holes something like yeah I did get an infusion of cash -- Bob and a new CRO.
LA right there and take a look at Seagate Technology.
It's got about 4% dividend and is trading at PE just about side.
All right like that right Jonathan -- day.
-- been wrong on interest rates in the past I thought they would go up -- going down it down -- down I think -- -- -- -- -- greater rates at five week -- now and the public -- is very long corporate bonds IGS goes up when corporate corporate bonds goes down all right Jonathan was wrong what are right.
That's got rid of -- everybody thank you for being here I'll see you on Fox Business weekdays noon eastern time all right everybody.
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