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GI Jane
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #40 on:
April 06, 2010, 03:35:47 AM »
Here are the Children who made it away from the attack and the widow.
New background material from Iraq
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #41 on:
April 06, 2010, 04:04:07 AM »
Quote from: Pilikia on April 05, 2010, 10:46:49 AM
Is this McChrystal still in charge anywhere?
These Generals should be fired if you ask me and then taken to martial court.
The Sky is My Home
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #42 on:
April 06, 2010, 04:45:54 AM »
I haven't watched all of it but how many weapons were mentioned by the troops at the scene that were lying around?
no mention of guns that i can recall.
at one stage they do say that there is something under a dead guy that
could be
a rpg but they do not confirm.
my kids are not cannon fodder for the n.w.o!
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #43 on:
April 06, 2010, 05:06:19 AM »
CNN is now covering this. Guess they didn't want to lose even more ratings and credibility.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #44 on:
April 06, 2010, 05:21:43 AM »
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #45 on:
April 06, 2010, 05:43:07 AM »
Quote from: ConcordeWarrior on April 06, 2010, 04:04:07 AM
Is this McChrystal still in charge anywhere?
These Generals should be fired if you ask me and then taken to martial court.
Oh, indeed he is still in charge. He's the commander-in-chief of the genocide of brown-skinned people in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan... soon Iran:
General Stanley A. McChrystal, USA (born August 14, 1954)[1] is the current Commander, International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and Commander, U.S. Forces Afghanistan (USFOR-A).[2] He previously served as Director, Joint Staff from August 2008 to June 2009 and as Commander, Joint Special Operations Command from 2003 to 2008, where he was credited with the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, but also criticized for his role in the cover-up of the Pat Tillman friendly fire incident[3] and his actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.[4] He assumed his current assignment on June 15, 2009.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #46 on:
April 06, 2010, 05:48:58 AM »
This is disgusting. Practice for what they plan to do back on American soil. The new army; cowardly, psychotic, liars.
That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history.
~Aldous Huxley
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #47 on:
April 06, 2010, 05:52:36 AM »
Psychopath General Stanley McChrystal: Sharia Law is A-OK!
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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A Dissertation on the First Principles of Government
, 1795
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #48 on:
April 06, 2010, 07:39:09 AM »
Ret. intel officer: US troops violated Rules of Engagement in Reuters shooting
By David Edwards and Stephen Webster
Monday, April 5th, 2010 -- 6:33 pm
During a Monday appearance on MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan Show, a retired intelligence officer claimed that U.S. forces violated the military's Rules of Engagement in events depicted by a video released by whistleblower site WikiLeaks, which allegedly shows the murder of civilians and journalists in New Baghdad, Iraq.
The Pentagon maintains that no crime was committed and no investigation will be carried out.
In the video, U.S. military personnel apparently mistook the cameras slung over the backs of two Reuters journalists for weapons when they opened fire on them and a group of people on July 12, 2007.
The video purportedly shows the deaths of Reuters journalists Namir Noor-Eldeen, 22 and Saeed Chmagh, 40, along with six other people on a street corner. It also shows US forces firing on a minivan in which two injured children were found.
"The military did not reveal how the Reuters staff were killed, and stated that they did not know how the children were injured," Wikileaks states.
"You can see, in this case we really have unique material that shows how modern aerial warfare is done," WikiLeaks' co-founder Julian Assange said, appearing on MSNBC. "Hasn't been revealed before. It also shows the debasement and moral corruption of soldiers as a result of war. It seems like they are playing video games with people's lives."
Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, who joined Assange on the program, said that based on what he saw in the video, it appeared to be a violation of the military's Rules of Engagement.
"First rule is, you may engage persons who commit hostile acts or show hostile intent by minimum force necessary," he said. "Minimum force is necessary. If you see eight armed men, the first thing I would think as an intelligence officer is, 'How can we take these guys and capture them?' We don't want to kill people arbitrarily; we want the intel take.
"Now, most importantly, when you see that van show up to take away the wounded, do not target or strike anyone who has surrendered or is out of combat due to sickness or wounds. So, the wound part of that I find disturbing, being that you clearly have people down, you have people on the way there. Speaking as an intelligence officer, my intent is to capture people, to recover them. That is the idea here. If you're not really doing that, you're not really doing precise combat."
Salon writer Glenn Greenwald, who also appeared on MSNBC to discuss the leaked video, later wrote that the footage " is truly gruesome and difficult even for the most hardened person to watch, but it should be viewed by everyone with responsibility for what the U.S. has done in Iraq and Afghanistan (i.e., every American citizen)."
This video is from MSNBC's The Dylan Ratigan Show, broadcast April 5, 2010.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #49 on:
April 06, 2010, 07:46:08 AM »
It's true - the soldiers have been sharing videos of all sorts of atrocities and ied videos on youtube and other photo sites. I can't believe how anyone could digest this stuff and return to normal life - At the porn website 'nowthatsf**kedup.com', the owner let soldiers have free access for submitting gore photos - and so by the dozens, they were uploading pictures of decapitated heads lying in jeep tracks and so forth.
Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #50 on:
April 06, 2010, 08:07:47 AM »
Step one get us out of these occupational wars of aggression. We will never restore any Faith in us if we are still there doing these things on a daily basis. Though we may need to be on the look out for the blowback that we have already wrought.
Step two prosecute or court marshal anyone involved in these Breaches of the "military Rules of Engagement" Including
up the chain of command, how ever high it may go. Also any other relevant crimes that have been committed over there, even to our own forces.
Step three stop engaging in wars provocateured by the elite bankers that only benefit themselves at the the expense of soldiers, innocents, and our National debt.
Step four we can then end the state of perpetual "Emergency" revoke the emergency powers acts, abate our standing army, and return to being a republic and not the School yard bully for the NWO.
This is my unreasonable list for action. I know it is pretty much a fantasy, but it could happen.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #51 on:
April 06, 2010, 08:11:28 AM »
It looks like the military needs to upgrade their camera's to something at least from the 21st century or cutting edge.
1990's Black and white targetting systems with a shoty focus can make a camera tripod look like an RPG or visa versa.
I bet it could be an unintended consequence though. I be the military wants Ultra realistic High Def for their Hunter Killers when that start hunting their own citizens.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #52 on:
April 06, 2010, 08:13:33 AM »
WikiLeaks - Video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Collateral Murder part 1
WikiLeaks - Video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Collateral Murder part 2
Russia Today - Collateral Murder: WikiLeaks bombshell 'killing' video goes online
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Shall be my brother;
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #53 on:
April 06, 2010, 08:28:27 AM »
There were no AK-47s and RPGs, only 2 video cameras. This was a pure civilian gathering.
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Ratigan and a panel talk about the newly released video by the Web site Wikileak
Reply #54 on:
April 06, 2010, 08:42:34 AM »
Msnbcs Ratigan and a panel talk about the newly released video by the Web site Wikileaks of graphic combat video of brutal civilian deaths in Iraq
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #55 on:
April 06, 2010, 09:23:46 AM »
Becoming an Army Helicopter Pilot
This page gives insight into the recruitment and mindset of potential US Army Warrant Officers posted about the same time as this video event.
The AH-64 Apache hold a crew of 2 in tandem--One pilot and one copilot/gunner. They were most likely between 20 and 30 years old.
So Apache pilots get more flight time, and you actually get to shoot things? I figured since Iraq is mostly urban combat that they wouldn't have much use for gunships.
The type of combat depends simply upon where one is. In Baghdad, the Apache guys get to do a bit less shooting than they would like to do. Where we fly, we (Kiowa Warriors and Apaches) do a lot more. It's more open and there's a seemingly endless supply of assholes who shoot at us and at ground forces, and therefore require immediate prosecution.
As for flight time, and I can only speak for our AO, the KWs get the most time, followed by the Apaches. The Blackhawks get a little less than half of what we get, and the Chinooks get about a third.
The term get to shoot is disturbingly telling to me. I can remember playing video game simulations of the AH-64 years ago. At the time, it never occurred to me that one of the goals of the game was ultimately recruitment.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #56 on:
April 06, 2010, 09:36:29 AM »
Battle Hymn of the Republic Mark Twain Version
Mine eyes have seen the orgy of he Launching of the Sword
He is searching out the hoardings where the strangers wealth is stored;
He hath loosed his fateful lightnings and with woe and death has scored;
His lust is marching on.
I have seen him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps;
They have builded him an altar in the Eastern dews and damps;
I have read his doomful mission by the dim and flaring lamps;
His night is marching on!I have read his bandit gospel writ in burnished rows of steel:
As ye deal with my pretensions, so with you my wrath shall deal; Let the faithless son of Freedom crush the patriot with his heel;
Lo, Greed is marching on!
We have legalized the strumpet and are guarding her retreat;
Greed is seeking out commercial souls before his judgement seat;
O, be swift, ye clods, to answer him! Be jubilant my feet!
Our god is marching on.
In a sordid slime harmonious Greed was born in yonder ditch,
With a longing in his bosom and for others goods an itch.
As Christ died to make men holy, let men die to make us rich Our god is marching on.
Just a guess, but I bet the faithless son of Freedom is Lincoln, and the patriot is the Confederate soldier.
Obviously, Mark Twain would never have been welcomed at a Claremont Institute, Heritage Foundation, AEI, or National Neocon Review. The Weekly Standard would have called for his stoning in light of the fact that he once said, after meeting Teddy Roosevelt, that the man was clearly insane.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #57 on:
April 06, 2010, 09:40:00 AM »
Meanwhile my local school system is trying to raise $3 million to avoid getting rid of art teachers and librarians.
I'm so proud to be an American.
"Whatever it is, I am against it." -Groucho Marx
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #58 on:
April 06, 2010, 09:42:06 AM »
Those who say: "this video was leaked by nwo to make us hate the troops!!" i think that is some paranoid stuff to say things like that.
Fact is, this happened and this happens everyday but its kept hidden. And, why not hate the murdering troops? If about 20% of coalition troops in Iraq have killed civilians and got an orgasm from it, then why not hate them. Why should they be protected? I think the troops are stupid. They could all stay home and not go. But because they are stupid, they will follow all orders, committ illegal wars and kill innocent people.
I think stupid murdering people like that need some hate on them. It will be that 20% that will be conducting checkpoints in Usa and killing American civilians in a possible martial law so why not hate them? They just might try to kill you in the future.
Lets say a small town of 5000 people in central U.S.A does not go along with martial law. Well, they can send 5 apaches and in just one night they can kill about 10% of the town people. How are you going to shoot apache pilots in the darkness with assautl rifles. Its going to be hard. I think its best to educate apache pilots before this can happen.
Dont just educate the troops, you need to educate apache pilots too.
1 martial law marine might be able to kill 1-30 american citizens before he is taken down by the people but an apache gunner can take 1000 people down before he might somehow be taken down. What if NWo has special apache squads that will only kill americans? Scary....they can fire those 30mm rounds from 2 miles and you cant hit it with even a 50 cal rifle that you can buy in some states.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #59 on:
April 06, 2010, 10:16:48 AM »
I don't understand why they would kill a whole group of people from the air just because it looks like a few among them could possibly have weapons. Is that really justified according to our Rules of Engagement?
Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #60 on:
April 06, 2010, 10:16:57 AM »
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #61 on:
April 06, 2010, 10:23:39 AM »
This made me sick to my stomach that Americans like this would have a total disregard for humanity--absolutely disgusting and no excuse for it!!!
While watching this travesty, I couldn't help but think the conversations between the soldiers sounded much like what I've heard on police scanners!
"Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." ~ Rod Serling
"Cops today are nothing but an armed tax collector" ~ Frank Serpico
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #62 on:
April 06, 2010, 10:36:34 AM »
I too join those that think this is a sick act by cowards in a helicopter miles away. However, I also rest a little easier at night knowing that Karma does exist and that payback's a bitch. The soldiers that pulled the trigger will get what is coming to them. Either a rocket is going to take them out of the air, their helicopter will crash, or more likely, someday they will stick a gun in their mouth.
Either way, we rid ourselves of another sick/twisted monster.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #63 on:
April 06, 2010, 12:15:12 PM »
You all feel safer now? That's why we are there. They are keeping us safe.
That's your tax dollars at work.
We paid for that! Think the military industrial complex is bothered? This creates enemies! But the military industrial complex needs enemies doesn't it?
If you're a Tax Paying American you paid for that. You financed it!
I am an American tax payer and I financed that! I resent the government taking my money and using it to create enemies for me. I'm disgusted that America is Israel on a gigantic scale. It's disgusting.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #64 on:
April 06, 2010, 12:17:15 PM »
Video of U.S. Attack That Killed Journalists Demands Inquiry
posted by John Nichols on 04/05/2010 @ 9:57pm
The video is clear, and devastating.
It shows a U.S. military helicopter targeting, shooting and killing a Reuters photographer and driver in a July 2007 attack in Baghdad.
The U.S. pilots are heard reveling in their "kills."
"Look at those dead bastards," says one.
"Nice!" replies the other pilot.
The killing of the Reuters photographer, Namir Noor-Eldeen, 22, and the driver, Saeed Chmagh, 40,has long been a subject of controversy.
The news agency raised immediate concerns.
But U.S. military officials denied that anything untoward had occurred.
"There is no question that coalition forces were clearly engaged in combat operations against a hostile force," declared Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl, a spokesman for the multinational forces in Baghdad.
But that is not what the graphic video, which was leaked by whistle-blowers within the military to the Web site WikiLeaks.org, showed.
Rather, the 17 minutes of black-and-white aerial video and conversations between pilots in two Apache helicopters portrays the Americans opening fire on the photographers and others and then joking about the incident.
Later, after they open fire on a vehicle carrying children, the pilots are heard mocking the harm done to the youths.
Americans can view the video here.
There is no question of its legitimacy.
Nor is there any question that, as the Committee to Protect Journalists says: "The video raises questions about the actions of U.S. military forces and the thoroughness and transparency of the investigation that followed."
The only question that remains is whether there will be any form of official accountability -- not so much for the pilots but for the military commanders and civilian higher ups who lied about the incident.
Were there intentional cover-ups?
After employees of an international news service were killed, and with those killings inspiring widespread calls for an inquiry, was anyone in the Bush-Cheney White House brought into the discussion? What did they know? When?
(Note "The Nation" - a progressive democratic publication, invokes Bush to steer blame away from Obama. It was not on Obama's watch; but they divert attention from things like the recent request for an additional 70,000 troops by Obama's gang. They are providing cover for Obama; this atrocity is not left/right, democrat/republican - it's about putting our soldiers into situations where they lose their souls; innocents lose their lives, and the criminal masterminds behind this endless war on terrorism can continue to sit in their armchairs and move pieces on the chessboard. We are ALL being played.)
The Congress of the United States is supposed to provide oversight for the military. The House and Senate armed services committees have the authority to hold hearings regarding these incidents.
The Committee to Protect Journalists has offered a proper point of beginning for a congressional inquiry. As the CPJ notes: "In all, at least 16 journalists were killed by U.S. forces' fire in Iraq, CPJ research shows. While CPJ has not found evidence to conclude that U.S. troops targeted journalists in these cases, its research shows that most of the cases were either not fully investigated or the military failed to publicly disclose its findings."
Shouldn't congressional committees with clear oversight authority and responsibility be moving, now, to assure that all of these incidents are fully investigated, that the findings are publicly disclosed and, above all, that anyone involved in deliberate deceit or cover-ups is held to account?
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
Thomas Paine
A Dissertation on the First Principles of Government
, 1795
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #65 on:
April 06, 2010, 12:18:25 PM »
Quote from: blackbeagle on April 06, 2010, 10:36:34 AM
The soldiers that pulled the trigger will get what is coming to them.
The soldiers are brainwashed. I know, I used to be a brainwashed soldier, and when I didn't re-up(I woke myself up) my first SGT was pissed. He actually tried to convince me that Jesus wants me to kill Arabs!
All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #66 on:
April 06, 2010, 12:27:03 PM »
UPDATE: I retract the idea that this video was purposefully leaked but do know it is going to be used to target soldiers rather than all the way up the chain of command. I do agree that everyone involved which such incidences require full investigations of war crimes and crimes against humanity. I do agree that people better wake up because whatever is going on over there is just practice to be used over here.
I split off any attempted forensic analysis into a different thread in the Questions section of the forum:
This thread is reserved for exposing the fact that we are committing wholesale genocide on a race of people with the illegal occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We just walked in and we need to just walk out.
We also need to increase funding to the VA, Veteran's benefits and conduct full investigations, indictments, and procedural accountabilities for every single one of these illegal acts done while draped with the American Flag on their back.
Never forget that for 7 years one man was visiting the white house to lay down Iraq and Afghanistan policy more than anyone else:
"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy"
-Henry Kissinger
Henry Kissinger on Charlie Rose explaining why the US is involved in so many genocides:
All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #67 on:
April 06, 2010, 12:28:47 PM »
Quote from: jimd3100 on April 06, 2010, 12:18:25 PM
The soldiers are brainwashed. I know, I used to be a brainwashed soldier, and when I didn't re-up(I woke myself up) my first SGT was pissed. He actually tried to convince me that Jesus wants me to kill Arabs!
They will do anything to convince our soldiers that murder of innocents is ok. That's the soul-destroying agenda at work. When the guys who shoot innocents come home after their tour of duty is over (if they are lucky enough to survive), they will face a difficult future dealing with post-traumatic stress disorder; in and out of VA hospital psych units and detox stints... divorce, loss of their children, loss of jobs, further eroded self-esteem - and, the endgame for many, a final checkout by suicide. That's what they get for their service.
That's what we do to our soldiers.
What they do to innocents has a price for them eventually.
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
Thomas Paine
A Dissertation on the First Principles of Government
, 1795
All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #68 on:
April 06, 2010, 12:31:16 PM »
Quote from: IridiumKEPfactor on April 05, 2010, 09:32:55 PM
Here is a HP article with a video from Dylan Ratigan on MSNBC.
They had the co-founder of Wikileaks, then Brett Mcgurk CFR
, then Lt. Col. Athony Shaffer, and Glenn Greenwald from Salon.
The CFR guy was a shill of course and was in studio. The other guys had it right and said it was a tragedy.
Go down to the MSNBC clip.
Anthony Shafer and Glenn Greenwald hanging out with Dylan Ratigan...booyaaa!
Thanks for that!
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #69 on:
April 06, 2010, 12:49:59 PM »
Quote from: Sane on April 06, 2010, 12:31:16 PM
Anthony Shaffer and Glenn Greenwald hanging out with Dylan Ratigan...booyaaa!
Thanks for that!
Glenn Greenwald has done some excellent reporting.
If you ask Shaffer if 9-11 was an inside job pulled off by the Government he will not say he believes that. However he does indeed support a new investigation, and has said so on the record. Shaffer has given us valuable evidence. It doesn't matter what he or anyone else "believes", it's perfectly understandable why he wouldn't think the U.S. Gov did 9-11, he tried to stop it, and he could have and he works for the U.S. Government.
What was the name of the general who said No, this is not your job.
General Rod Isler.
Isler served as "Associate Director of
Central Intelligence for Military Support
, Central Intelligence Agency, Washington, D.C." Which I think helps explain the "It's not your job" remarks, not to mention why George Tenet keeps thanking him in speeches a year after Isler had retired.
Prince Bandar, brother in law of the head of
Saudi Intelligence
and close friend of Pres Bush....
"Bandar -- now Abdullah's national security adviser -- said
Saudi intelligence
was "actively following" most of the September 11, 2001, plotters
"with precision
"Bandar and Tenet had a
very close relationship
," said one CIA officer.
"But some CIA officers handling Saudi issues complain that Tenet would
not tell them what he had discussed with Bandar
, making it difficult for agency officials to know the nature of any deals their boss was arranging with the Saudis."
page 188
See why Shaffer was pulled off because it "wasn't
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #70 on:
April 06, 2010, 01:09:40 PM »
Quote from: mothersbow on April 06, 2010, 05:53:49 AM
Jim Marrs reply's to this Horror:
This video just released from a US Air engagement with Baghdad civilians in 2007, Freedom of Information release going viral on the Torrents. Just finished watching this...pretty rough.
Makes you proud to be an American doesn't? Even Bush admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 (he ought to know!) so we go thousands of miles away to shoot at anyone gathered on he street including two Reuters photographers and children, including some folks who simply tried to stop and render aid. In combat situations bad things happen. It's a fact of life. The guilt is not with the helicopter crew. They are youngsters (think Jason) in a foreign land where the inhabitants don't want them and they are scared. The guilt belongs to the SOBs who put them into that situation based on thin intelligence and outright lies. They should be punished in a war crimes court. But we, the taxpayers who are paying for this, don't usually get to even see things like this and when we do hear about it, it's all masked and spun by our complicit corporate media. We are about to catch the hurricane and, unfortunately, all I can say is, we deserve it.
"Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, 'regretted,' that unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these 'little measures'.....must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing.....Each act is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next.
"You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join you in resisting somehow. You don't want to act, or even talk, alone.....you don't want to 'go out of your way to make trouble.' But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes.
"That's the difficulty. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves, when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed.
"You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things your father.....could never have imagined."
Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1938-45 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955)
That's a great post and pretty much sums how I feel.
I am so damned sorry for those people who didn't get to live. Hell it's hard to take in fully.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #71 on:
April 06, 2010, 01:26:15 PM »
Well, the mess was started by Bush, but he had "faulty intelligence", and if 9-11 was an inside job why didn't they make it look like Iraq did it?
UH....to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, "You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had" in other words the Saudi and CIA intelligence agencies(especially the Saudis) were controlling the nuts in Afghanistan,
not Iraq,
but hey, it's
not like they didn't try
...and faulty intelligence? It's just to bad we didn't have the head of Iraqi Intelligence as an
turns out we did!
So you just pay him
5 million dollars
ship him off to Jordan, have him sign his name on Iraqi Documents, and presto,. Iraq has WMD and helped carry out 9-11.....well......they
tried to do that....
Tahir Jalil Habbush al Takriti (Arabic: طاهر جليل حبوش التكريتي) is a former Iraqi intelligence official who served under the regime of Saddam Hussein.
According to the London Sunday Telegraph,
Mohamed Atta is mentioned in a letter allegedly discovered in Iraq handwritten by Tahir Jalil Habbush al Takriti, former chief of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.
Habbush's July 1, 2001, memo is labeled "Intelligence Items" and is addressed: "To the President of the Ba'ath Revolution Party and President of the Republic, may God protect you." It continues:
''Mohammed Atta, an Egyptian national, came with Abu Ammer [the real name behind this Arabic alias remains a mystery] and we hosted him in Abu Nidal's house at al-Dora under our direct supervision.''
''We arranged a work program for him for three days with a team dedicated to working with him...He displayed extraordinary effort and showed a firm commitment to lead the team which will be responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy.'' [1]
The memo is widely recognized as a forgery.
Newsweek noted: "U.S. officials and a leading Iraqi document expert tell NEWSWEEK that the document is most likely a forgery—part of a thriving new trade in dubious Iraqi documents that has cropped up in the wake of the collapse of Saddam's regime."[2] According to the newsmagazine, "The Telegraph story was apparently written with a political purpose:
to bolster Bush administration claims of a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam's regime."
In The Way of the World, author Ron Suskind alleges that the
Bush administration itself ordered the forgery.
Habbush then supposedly signed the letter, having already been
resettled in Jordan with $5 million from the US
I don't support everything Bugliosi has ever said or done, but I support him in this cause....
Bugliosi's Powerfull testimony before congress...they did nothing!
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #72 on:
April 06, 2010, 01:51:32 PM »
Here is a collection of photos of what bullets and bombs do on the ground.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
Reply #73 on:
April 06, 2010, 02:33:48 PM »
Quote from: able on April 06, 2010, 04:45:54 AM
no mention of guns that i can recall.
at one stage they do say that there is something under a dead guy that
could be
a rpg but they do not confirm.
They couldn't come up with a few throw-downs to make it look somewhat convincing that the Iraq's posed a threat? It must be nice to have the luxury of that arrogant laziness. We should be thankful they're that sloppy. Maybe someone will be taken to account. The whole world knows!
I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of society, but the people themselves, and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. - Thomas Jefferson.
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Massacre Caught on Tape: US Military Confirms Video Showing Killing of Journalis
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April 06, 2010, 02:34:24 PM »
Massacre Caught on Tape: US Military Confirms Authenticity of Their Own Chilling Video Showing Killing of Journalists
The US military has confirmed the authenticity of newly released video showing US forces indiscriminately firing on Iraqi civilians. On Monday, the website WikiLeaks.org posted footage taken from a US military helicopter in July 2007 as it killed twelve people and wounded two children. The dead included two employees of the Reuters news agency, photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen and driver Saeed Chmagh. We speak with WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange and Salon.com blogger Glenn Greenwald.
Julian Assange, co-founder of WikiLeaks
Glenn Greenwald, constitutional law attorney and political and legal blogger for Salon.com
AMY GOODMAN: The US military has confirmed the authenticity of newly released video showing US forces indiscriminately firing on Iraqi civilians. On Monday, the website WikiLeaks.org posted footage taken from a US military helicopter in July 2007 as it killed twelve people and wounded two children.
The voices on the tape appear to believe their targets are carrying weapons, but the footage unmistakably shows some of the victims holding camera equipment. The dead included two employees of the Reuters news agency, photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen and driver Saeed Chmagh.
The Pentagon has never publicly released the footage and has previously cleared those involved of wrongdoing. WikiLeaks says it managed to de-encrypt the tape after receiving it from a confidential source inside the military who wanted the story to be known.
In a moment, were going to hear from WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange, who oversaw the videos release. But first we turn to the footage itself. For our television audiences, some may find these images disturbing. This clip captures the moments leading up to when US forces first opened fire.
US SOLDIER 1: See all those people standing down there?
US SOLDIER 2: Stay firm. And open the courtyard.
US SOLDIER 1: Yeah, roger. I just estimate theres probably about twenty of them. Theres one, yeah.
US SOLDIER 2: Oh, yeah.
US SOLDIER 1: I dont know if thats
US SOLDIER 3: Hey Bushmaster element, Copperhead one-six.
US SOLDIER 2: Thats a weapon.
US SOLDIER 1: Yeah. Hotel two-six, Crazy Horse one-eight .
US SOLDIER 4: Copperhead one-six, Bushmaster six-Romeo. Roger.
US SOLDIER 1: Have individuals with weapons. Yep, hes got a weapon, too. Hotel two-six, Crazy Horse one-eight. Have five to six individuals with AK-47s. Request permission to engage .
US SOLDIER 5: Roger that. We have no personnel east of our position. So you are free to engage. Over.
US SOLDIER 2: All right, well be engaging.
US SOLDIER 1: Roger, go ahead. Im gonnaI cant get em now, because theyre behind that building.
US SOLDIER 3: Hey Bushmaster element, Copperhead one-six.
US SOLDIER 1: Hes got an RPG!
US SOLDIER 2: Alright, we got a guy with an RPG.
US SOLDIER 1: Im gonna fire. OK.
US SOLDIER 2: No, hold on. Lets come around.
US SOLDIER 1: Behind building right now from our point of view.
US SOLDIER 2: OK, were going to come around.
US SOLDIER 1: Hotel two-six, I have eyes on individual with RPG, getting ready to fire. We wontyeah, we got a guy shooting, and now hes behind the building. God damn it!
US SOLDIER 5: Uh, negative. He was right in front of the Brad, about there, one oclock. Havent seen anything since then.
US SOLDIER 2: Just [expletive]. Once you get on, just open up.
US SOLDIER 1: I am.
US SOLDIER 4: I see your element, got about four Humvees, out along this
US SOLDIER 2: Youre clear.
US SOLDIER 1: Alright, firing.
US SOLDIER 4: Let me know when youve got them.
US SOLDIER 2: Lets shoot. Light em all up.
US SOLDIER 1: Come on, fire!
US SOLDIER 2: Keep shootin. Keep shootin. Keep shootin. Keep shootin.
US SOLDIER 6: Hotel, Bushmaster two-six, Bushmaster two-six, we need to move, time now!
US SOLDIER 2: Alright, we just engaged all eight individuals.
AMY GOODMAN: The video now shows around eight Iraqis lying on the ground, dead or badly wounded. The soldiers again claim the victims have weapons and now laugh about the shooting.
US SOLDIER 1: We saw two birds. Were still firing.
US SOLDIER 2: Roger.
US SOLDIER 1: I got em.
US SOLDIER 3: Two-six, this is two-six, were mobile.
US SOLDIER 2: Oops, Im sorry. What was going on?
US SOLDIER 1: God damn it, Kyle.
US SOLDIER 2: Sorry, hahaha, I hit emRoger. Currently engaging approximately eight individuals, KIA, RPGs and AK-47s. Hotel two-six, Crazy Horse one-eight.
US SOLDIER 1: Oh, yeah, look at those dead bastards.
US SOLDIER 2: Nice. Good shootin.
US SOLDIER 1: Thank you.
AMY GOODMAN: Reuters driver Saeed Chmagh survived the initial attack. Here hes seen trying to crawl away as the helicopter flies overhead. A voice from the cockpit hopes that Saeed brandishes a weapon to justify more shooting.
US SOLDIER 2: One individual appears to be wounded, trying to crawl away.
US SOLDIER 3: Roger, were going to move down there.
US SOLDIER 2: Roger, well cease fire.
US SOLDIER 1: Yeah, we wont shoot anymore. Hes getting up.
US SOLDIER 2: If he has a weapon, though, in his hand?
US SOLDIER 1: No, I havent seen one yet. I see you guys got that guy crawling right now on the curb. Yeah, I got him. I put two rounds near him, and you guys were shooting over there, too, so well see.
US SOLDIER 3: Yeah, roger that.
US SOLDIER 4: Bushmaster three-six Element, this is Hotel two-seven. Over.
US SOLDIER 3: Hotel Two-Seven, Bushmaster Seven. Go ahead.
US SOLDIER 4: Roger. Im just trying to make sure that you guys have my turf. Over.
US SOLDIER 3: Roger, we got your turf.
US SOLDIER 2: Come on, buddy. All you gotta do is pick up a weapon.
AMY GOODMAN: The US forces notice a van pulling up to evacuate the wounded. They again open fire, killing several more people and wounding two children inside the van.
US SOLDIER 1: Wheres that van at?
US SOLDIER 2: Right down there by the bodies.
US SOLDIER 1: OK, yeah.
US SOLDIER 2: Bushmaster, Crazy Horse. We have individuals going to the scene, looks like possibly picking up bodies and weapons.
US SOLDIER 1: Let me engage. Can I shoot?
US SOLDIER 2: Roger. Break. Crazy Horse one-eight, request permission to engage.
US SOLDIER 3: Picking up the wounded?
US SOLDIER 1: Yeah, were trying to get permission to engage. Come on, let us shoot!
US SOLDIER 2: Bushmaster, Crazy Horse one-eight.
US SOLDIER 1: Theyre taking him.
US SOLDIER 2: Bushmaster, Crazy Horse one-eight.
US SOLDIER 4: This is Bushmaster seven, go ahead.
US SOLDIER 2: Roger. We have a black SUVor Bongo truck picking up the bodies. Request permission to engage.
US SOLDIER 4: Bushmaster seven, roger. This is Bushmaster seven, roger. Engage.
US SOLDIER 2: One-eight, engage. Clear.
US SOLDIER 1: Come on!
US SOLDIER 2: Clear. Clear.
US SOLDIER 1: Were engaging.
US SOLDIER 2: Coming around. Clear.
US SOLDIER 1: Roger. Trying to
US SOLDIER 2: Clear.
US SOLDIER 1: I hear emI lost em in the dust.
US SOLDIER 3: I got em.
US SOLDIER 2: Should have a van in the middle of the road with about twelve to fifteen bodies.
US SOLDIER 1: Oh yeah, look at that. Right through the windshield! Ha ha!
AMY GOODMAN: Video footage from a July 2007 attack on Iraqi civilians by US troops, released Monday by the website WikiLeaks.org.
Well, were joined now by two guests. Julian Assange is the co-founder of WikiLeaks.org, oversaw the release of this top-secret US military footage. Hes joining us from Washington, DC. And by video stream from Brazil, were joined by Glenn Greenwald, the constitutional law attorney and blogger for Salon.com. We called the Pentagon and the US Army, but they didnt respond to our request for them to be on the broadcast.
Julian Assange, tell us how you got this footage.
JULIAN ASSANGE: We got this footage sometime last year. We dont disclose precise times for reasons of source protection. When we first got it, we were told that it was important and that it showed the killing of journalists, but we didnt have any other context, and we spent quite some months after breaking the decryption looking closely into this. And the more we looked, the more disturbing it became.
This is a sequence which has a lot of detail and, I think, in some ways covers most of the bad aspects of the aerial war in Iraq and what we must be able to infer is going on in Afghanistan. So we see not only this initial opening shot on a crowd, which is clearly mostly unarmed. There may be some confusion as to whether two people are armed or whether theres a camera or arm, but its clear that the majority of the people are in fact unarmed. And as it later turns out, two of those people are simply holding cameras. But we go on from there into seeing the shooting of people rescuing a wounded man, and none of those people are armed.
Whats important to remember is that every step that the Apache takes in opening fire is authorized. It does pause before shooting. It explains the situation, sometimes exaggerating a little to its commanders, and gets authorized permission.
These are not bad apples. This is standard practice. You can hear it from the tones of the voices of the pilots that this is in fact another day at the office. These pilots have evidently and gunners have evidently become so corrupted, morally corrupted, by the war that they are looking for excuses to kill. That is why you hear this segment, Come on, buddy! Just pick up a weapon, when Saeed, one of the Reuters employees, is crawling on the curb. They dont want him for intelligence value to understand the situation. The man is clearly of no threat whatsoever. Hes prostate on the ground. Everyone else has been killed. They just want an excuse to kill. And its some kind ofappears to me to be some kind of video game mentality where they just want to get a high score, get their kill count up. And later on youll hear them proudly proclaiming how they killed twelve to fifteen people.
AMY GOODMAN: Julian, how has the Pentagon responded to this footage?
JULIAN ASSANGE: Its very interesting. So yesterday, the Pentagon stated that the original investigation that it did into whether the acts broke the rules of engagement, the rules that soldiers must obey before shooting, they came to the conclusion then that there was no violation of those rules, that all the pilots, in fact, acted properly, and gunners. They reiterated that last night, that in fact it was their view that that original investigation came to the right conclusion and that they would not be reopening the investigation. However, we hear that that may be about to change. That hasnt been confirmed yet, but our sources in CENTCOM say that there may be a change.
Also, late last night, the Pentagon suddenly decided it liked the Freedom of Information Act, after all. Reuters put in the Freedom of Information request for this video in August 2007 and did not receive any response whatsoever for over a year and never has received, to our knowledge, the video. But yesterday, the Pentagon released on the CENTCOM website six files relating to this event. There is one that is the most important, which is the investigative report into whether this action broke the rules of engagement, really quite a telling report. So the tone and language is all about trying to find an excuse for the activity. I mean, this as if your own lawyer wrote a report for you to submit to the court. Its very clear that that is the approach, to try and find any mechanism to excuse the behavior, and that is what ended up happening.
Something that has been missed in some of the press reportage about this is that there is a third attack, just twenty minutes later, by the same crew, involving three Hellfire missiles fired onto an apartment complex where the roof was still under construction. We have fresh evidence from Baghdad that there were three families living in that apartment complex, many of whom were killed, including women. And we sent a team down there to collect that evidence. So that is in the full video we released, not in the shortened one, because we didnt yet have that additional evidence. Innocent bystanders walking down the street are also killed in that attack.
AMY GOODMAN: Do you know who these Apache helicopter teamswhat this unit is?
JULIAN ASSANGE: We dont have the names of the teams. However, we have details about the unit, and there was a chapter, or half-chapter, in a book called The Good Soldiers by a Washington Post reporter released late last year that does cover the ground unit that moved in to collect the bodies and was the unit who also called in the Apaches to that area.
Important thing that we know from classified documentation is that there were reports of small arms fire in the general vicinity. This was not an ongoing battle. The Pentagon released statements implying that this was a firefight and the Apaches were called in, into the middle of a firefight, and the journalists walked into this firefight. That is simply a lie. At 9:50 a.m. Baghdad time, Pentagonsorry, US military documentation states that there was small arms fire in the general vicinity, in the suburb somewhere of New Baghdad, and that there was no PID, there was no positive identification of who the shooter was. So, in other words, some bullets were received in a general area, no US troops were killed, or they were heard, could have even been cars backfiring. There was no positive identification of where those shots were coming from. And the Apaches were sent up to scout out the general region, and they saw this group of men milling around in a square, showing the Reuters photographer something interesting to photograph. So the claim that this was a battle and the Reuters guys were sort of caught in the crossfire, or it was some kind of active attack that it needed an immediate response by the Apaches, is simply a lie.
AMY GOODMAN: Were going to come back to this discussion and, well, whats happening to WikiLeaks.org, not only as a result of releasing this, but other sensitive documents. Julian Assange is our guest, co-founder of WikiLeaks. Also Glenn Greenwald will join us, who has been writing about this. This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org. Back in a minute.
AMY GOODMAN: Our guest Julian Assange, co-founder of WikiLeaks, has just posted on WikiLeaks.org this 2007 footage from the helicopter gunships that opened fire on Iraqi civilians in Baghdad.
I want to play another clip, this the voices of the cockpit laughing as a Bradley tank drives over the dead body of one of the Iraqi victims.
US SOLDIER 1: I think they just drove over a body.
US SOLDIER 2: Did he?
US SOLDIER 1: Yeah!
AMY GOODMAN: And here the cockpit learns from soldiers on the ground that the victims include children. One voice says, Well, its their fault for bringing their kids to battle.
US SOLDIER 3: Ive got eleven Iraqi KIAs . One small child wounded. Over.
US SOLDIER 1: Roger. Ah, damn. Oh, well.
US SOLDIER 3: Roger, we needwe need ato evac this child. Shes got a wound to the belly. I cant do anything here. She needs to get evaced. Over.
US SOLDIER 1: Well, its their fault for bringing their kids into a battle.
US SOLDIER 2: Thats right.
AMY GOODMAN: After discovering the wounded children, a soldier on the ground says they should be taken to a nearby US military hospital, but an order comes in to instead first hand the children over to Iraqi police, possibly delaying their treatment.
US SOLDIER 3: Negative on evac of the two civilian kids to Rusty. Theyre going to have the IPs link up with us over here. Break. IPs will take them up to a local hospital. Over.
AMY GOODMAN: Julian Assange, co-founder of WikiLeaks, explain what happened to the children, the children that you show in the video footage by circling their heads, that they are in the van.
JULIAN ASSANGE: Yeah, something important to remember is that the video we obtained and released is of substantially lower quality than what the pilots saw. This is because it was converted through many stages to digital. But even so, we can just see that there are in fact two children sitting in the front seat of that van. And subsequent witness reports also confirm that.
So those children were extremely lucky to survive. The Apache helicopter was firing thirty-millimeter shells. Thats shells this wide, normally used for armor piercing, and they shoot straight through buildings.
Those childrenthe medic on the scene wanted to evacuate those children to the US military base at Rustamiyah, approximately eight kilometers away from the scene. The base has excellent medical facilities. Higher command denied that. We dont know the reason. Perhaps there was a legitimate reason, but it seems like the medic would be the person best placed to know what to do. Instead, he is told to meet up and hand the children over to local police.
We dont know what happens then. But our team that was in Baghdad, we partnered with the Icelandic state broadcasting service, RÚV, found the children over the weekend, this weekend, and interviewed them and took their hospital records, and we have photographs of the scars of the stomach wounds and the chest wounds and arm wounds for those children. The boy, in particular, was extremely lucky to survive. He had a wound that came from the top of his body down his stomach, so very, very, very lucky.
The mother says that she has been offered no compensation for the death of her husband, who was the driver of that van, and no assistance with the medical expenses of her children. And she says that there are ongoing medical expenses related to the daughter.
AMY GOODMAN: Julian Assange, what is happening now to WikiLeaks.org? What kind of response have you gotten? Can you talk about surveillance or possibly attempting to shut you down?
JULIAN ASSANGE: Well, a few weeks ago, we released a 2008 counterintelligence report from the United States Army, thirty-two pages, that assessed quite a few articles that I had written and some of the other material we had releasedso that includes the main manuals for Guantánamo Bay, which revealed falsification of records there and deliberate hiding of people from the Red Cross, a breach of the Geneva Conventions, and psychological torture, many other things, and a report we released on the battle of Fallujah, once again a classified US military report into what happened thereand clearly concerned that we were causing embarrassment to the US military by exposing human rights abuses and some concerndoesnt seem to be legitimate, but some concerns that the fine details of some material that we were releasing could, in theory, when combined with other detail, pose a threat to soldiers if insurgents got hold of that information. So that report sort of looks at different ways to destroy WikiLeaks.org or fatally marginalize it.
And because our primary asset is the trust, that sources have enoughwe have a reputation for having never had a source publicly exposed, and as far as I know, that reputation is trueit looks to see whether they can publicly expose some of our sources, prosecute US military whistleblowersand, in fact, it uses the phrase whistleblowers, not people who are leaking indiscriminatelybut prosecute US military whistleblowers in order to destabilize us and destroy what it calls our center of gravity, the trust that the public and sources have in us.
It also looks at some other methodsagain, its careful to fine-tune the language, but says that perhaps we could be hacked into and destabilized that way, or perhaps we could be fed information that was fraudulent, and therefore our reputation for integrity could be destroyed. The report is careful on these last two to suggest that maybe other governments could do this. It seems like its some kind of license for their claims. They speak about how Iran has blocked us on the internet and China has blocked us on the internet and other governments of a similar type have condemned us, and it lists Israel. And it also lists the case that we had against a Swiss bank in San Francisco in February 2008, a case which we conclusively won.
But in the production of this video in Iceland, where most of the team was over the last month, we did get a number of very unusual surveillance events. So weI personally had people filming me covertly in cafes, who, when confronted, run off so scared that they even drop their cash, and not Icelanders, outsiders, although there also was some surveillance from Iceland.
Our feeling is now that that surveillance may not have been related to this video. It may more likely have been related to leaks from the US embassy in Iceland that we released. Were not sure of that. But there wasappears to have been a following of me on an Icelandic air flight out of Iceland to an investigative journalism conference in Norway. Were not sure thatthere are records of two State Department employees on that plane with no luggage. Our suspicion is these are probably the Diplomatic Security Service investigating a leak at the embassy.
We did have a volunteer arrested for some other reason and asked questions in Iceland about WikiLeaks, but there are now two sides to this story. So our volunteer says that they asked questions about WikiLeaks, and the police say that they asked questions about WikiLeaks, but the police say this was because of a sticker on a laptop. Volunteer says that this wasnt true. And at the moment, were unable to confirm whether the police had inside information about the video or whether the volunteer is not telling the truth.
AMY GOODMAN: Were also joined, Julian Assange, by Glenn Greenwald, blogger for Salon.com. Hes a constitutional lawyer. Glenn, the significance of what this videotape is showing, from the helicopter gunship, of the helicopter gunship opening fire on Iraqi civilians?
GLENN GREENWALD: I think, in one sense, that WikiLeaks has done an extraordinarily valuable service, because it has exposed what it is that war actually is, what were actually doing in Afghanistan and Iraq on a day-to-day basis.
My concern with the discussions that have been triggered, though, is that there seems to be the suggestion, in many circlesnot, of course, by Julianthat this is some sort of extreme event, or this is some sort of aberration, and thats the reason why were all talking about it and are horrified about it. In fact, its anything but rare. The only thing thats rare about this is that we happen to know about it and are seeing it take place on video. This is something that takes place on a virtually daily basis in Iraq and Afghanistan and other places where we invade and bomb and occupy. And the reason why there are hundreds of thousands of dead in Iraq and thousands of dead in Afghanistan is because this is what happens constantly when we are engaged in warfare in those countries.
And you see that, as Julian said, in the fact that every step of the way they got formal approval for what they wanted to do. And if you read the Defense Department investigations, which cleared the individuals involved, in every sense, and said that they acted complete [no audio]
AMY GOODMAN: We may have just lost
GLENN GREENWALD: operating procedure.
AMY GOODMAN: There it is. Go ahead.
GLENN GREENWALD: And you see that this is standard operating procedure. The military was not at all concerned about what took place. They didnt even think there were remedial steps needed to prevent a future reoccurrence. They concluded definitively that the members of the military involved did exactly the right thing.
This is what war is. This is what the United States does in these countries. And that, I think, is the crucial point to note, along with the fact that the military fought tooth and nail to prevent this video from surfacing, precisely because they knew that it would shed light on what their actual behavior is during war, and instead of the propaganda to which were typically subjected.
AMY GOODMAN: And then the attacks on WikiLeaks, the surveillance of WikiLeaks, Glenn?
GLENN GREENWALD: Well, the problem, of course, is that there are very few entities left that actually provide any meaningful checks or oversight on what the military and intelligence communities do. The media has fallen down almost completely. Theres occasional investigative reports and journalism that expose what they do, but media outlets, for a variety of reasons, including resource constraints, are hardly ever able to perform these kind of functions, even when theyre willing. Congress, of course, which has principal oversight responsibility to ensure things like this dont happen, and that they see the light of day when they do, is almost completely impotent, by virtue of their own choices and desires and as well as by a whole variety of constraints, institutional and otherwise.
And so, there are very few mechanisms left for figuring out and understanding as citizens what it is that our government and our military and our intelligence community do. And unauthorized leaks and whistleblowing is one of the very few outlets left, and WikiLeaks is providing a safe haven for people who want to expose serious corruption and wrongdoing. And so, of course the Pentagon and the CIA sees them as an enemy and something to be targeted and shut down, because its one of the few avenues that we have left for meaningful accountability and disclosure.
AMY GOODMAN: Julian Assange, you have video of Afghanistan that you have yet to release?
JULIAN ASSANGE: Yes, thats correct. We have a video of a May 2009 attack which killed ninety-seven in Afghanistan. We are still analyzing and assessing that information. We
AMY GOODMAN: Last comments, Julian? Go ahead.
JULIAN ASSANGE: Yes. I must agree with Glenn, and Id also like to speak a little bit about the media focus on this. We have seen some straw manning in relation to this event. So quite a few people have simply focused on the initial attack on Namir, the Reuters photographer, and Saeed, the other one, this initial crowd scene, and gone, Well, you know, camera, RPG, it can look a bit similar. And there do appear to be two othertwo people in that crowd having weapons. A heat-of-the-moment situation. Even if the descriptions were false previously, maybe theres some excuse for this. I mean, its bad, but maybe theres some excuse. This is clearly a straw man. We can see, over these three eventsthe initial attack on the crowd; the attack on the people rescuing a completely unarmed man, themselves completely unarmed; to the Hellfire missile attack on an apartment complex, which killed familiesall in the course of one hour, that something is wrong.
And the tone of the pilots is another day at the office. This is not, as Glenn said, an extraordinary event. This outlines that this is an everyday event. Its another day at the office. They get clearance for everything that they do from higher command before they do it.
There was an investigative report in response to Reuters, so its not a minor incident. There was pressure from Reuters to produce an investigative report. There was an investigative report. It cleared everyone of wrongdoing. You can read that report that was released. It is clearly designed to come to a particular conclusion, the suppression of the FOI material, non-response to Reuters. And now we hear yesterday from the Pentagon an attempt to keep the same line, that everything was done correctly.
I dont think that can hold, but I think it gives important lessons as to what you can believe. Even the numbereveryone was described initially as insurgents, except for the two wounded children. A blanket description. It was only from pressure from the press that changed that number to there being civilians amongst the crowd. But we also see that the total death count is wrong. There were people killed in the buildings next to this event who were just there living in their houses. There were additional bystanders killed in the Hellfire missile attack, and those people werent even counted, let alone counted as insurgents. So you cannot believe these statements from the military about number of people who were killed, whether people are insurgents, whether an investigation into rules of engagement was correct. They simply cannot be believed and cannot be trusted.
AMY GOODMAN: Well, after the footage was released, Nabil Noor-Eldeen, the brother of the slain Reuters cameraman Namir Noor-Eldeen, spoke out in an interview with Al Jazeera.
NABIL NOOR-ELDEEN: Is this the democracy and freedom that they claim have brought to Iraq? What Namir was doing was a patriotic work. He was trying to cover the violations of the Americans against the Iraqi people. He was only twenty-one years old. Other innocent colleagues and other innocent people, who were just standing out of curiosity when they see a journalist in a scene, and they were all killed. This is another crime that should be added to the record of American crimes in Iraq and the world. Is the pilot that stupid, he cannot distinguish between an RPG and a camera? They claim he was carrying an RPG. When was the RPG this small, small as a camera? He was carrying a small camera. An RPG is more than one meter long. Yes, it was an RPG because it shows the acts against Iraq and its people that still suffer from their crimes. We demand the international organizations to help us sue those people responsible for the killings of our sons and our people.
AMY GOODMAN: Nabil Noor-Eldeen is the brother of the photographer Namir Noor-Eldeenand his driver Saeed Chmagh, they both worked for Reuters news agency. The overwhelmingly sad tributes to them online are very important. I want to thank Julian Assange, co-founder of WikiLeaks.org. Glenn Greenwald, stay with us, because we want to go quickly to that story on Afghanistan, which we will also talk about tomorrow.
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
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Maybe someone will be taken to account. The whole world knows!
Yup maybe. Will it be the soldiers that did the killing? Probably not. They asked for permission to engage. Will it be their commanders who gave them permission to engage? Probably not since they were told these people had weapons. They will just say "hey, it's the fog of war, these things happen, and it's unfortunate."
So why are we in this war?
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2. They hate our freedoms. --
3. They have WMD . --
4. We can't leave or they will follow us here
The truth....The Bush Administration and Congress did this.
And The American people let them get away with it
and still do to this day. So it's us...the American people who will be held accountable for this.
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WikiLeaks video shows US attack
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WikiLeaks, a website that publishes anonymously sourced documents, has released video footage of what it says is a US military attack on Iraqi civilians in Baghdad.
WikiLeaks editor interviewed on Apache combat video: No excuse for US killing civilians
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Re: Wikileaks leaked video of Civilians killed in Baghdad - Full video
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This is the horror of illegal and immoral war..but on a point of accuracy and in no way as defence of this action, between 2.05 and 2.25 of this video two of the group of four men appear to be carrying a rifle and/or an rpg.
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The wrath of God will be terrible when he unleashes the four horsemen on this nation. Make no mistake we will pay for the death that we export to foreign nations. I fear for my children and what is coming our way.
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows.
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when I got this game in the mail. I put it in the Wii and said "WHAT!!!!" you don't swing the wiimote for the bat?" and you don't sing the Wiimote for a pitch?? and I played a inning or two. WOW the game play of the game is good... no no no its Sweet... man I love this game. its a bit of all right....more
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Adam Clayton Morris -- fox -- you know I love apps that solve a problem we all have.
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Nice to see you run.
Give me the idea behind flavor when you come up with us.
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- Styled with One Teaspoon Awesome Baggies Jeans in Fiasco.
- Styled with Giles & Brother Skinny Railroad Spike Cuff in Rose Gold Finish.
- Styled with House of Harlow Scry Stone Ring in Rosegold.
- Styled with
gorjana Lena Shimmer Double Bar Ring in Gold. - Styled with gorjana Star Ring Small in Gold.
- Styled with gorjana Cat Eye Ring in Gold.
- Modeled in size S. See fit guide for model's dimensions.
- Revolve Style No. HARL-WO89
- Manufacturer Style No. H320-AFT