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by MrBluesman on 2011-12-08 16:02:59
I'm just reporting my disappointment so far with the JTV-69 guitar. Not to be the all complaining whining consumer, but in the hope that Line6 take note of the amount of problems arising with this instrument that in my opinion is simply unacceptable for a guitar that cost £1049. So here's my story so far..........
Sun 4/12/11
40 minute drive to store to buy guitar. I test as best I can in a noisy store environment and hand my money over as well as ordering a DT25-Head and Cab (which wasn't in stock). Now keep in mind this guitar was in the sealed box that no-one had played before me.
So I get guitar home and at first opportunity sit down for a play.
1) Firstly I notice the High E string slips off the edge of the fretboard
2) Tremolo makes a noise as if hitting wood or parts are rubbing
3) Paintwork has light scratches over it
4) Gig bag has a rip inside
5) Worst of all - the high E and B strings make a buzz sound which almost sounds like a 12 string/chorus effect. This goes away if the string if very lightly touched just behind the nut (not at the bridge or machine heads).
At this point I'm disappointed but thinking that I may just have the bad one that slipped through the net. How wrong was I?
Thurs 8/12/11
After a 2 hour drive back through rush hour traffic today after work I arrive back at the store (Manchester, England) to pick up my Head and Cab and replacement JTV-69. Guess what the guitar is just as bad if not worse, again this came out of a sealed box received in stock today. It had all the same issues as above except the weird buzzing was not only on the E&B but also the D & G strings too. So both myself and the manager of the store proceed to test the other JYV-69s in the store (3 more in total -colours I don't want), they are all the same with the buzzing strings - not fret buzz but occurring at the nut.
There simply cannot be any decent form of quality control before shipping of these guitars to stores. How Line6 can ship multiple guitars to stores that cost over a grand and have James Tyler's name on the headstock with these problems is unbelievable. They should be immaculate. My Custom Shop Epiphone came better setup than this. It really has made me lose a lot of faith.
The manager was not happy as he has several grands worth of guitars he can't sell. I'm not happy as a store has over a grand of mine in it's till for a product I now don't even have in my possession. I have to wait for him to call Line6 for a solution/see what's going on. For me unless this is resolved quickly I won't just be getting a refund for the guitar but also the amp (as I don't need it without guitar and the dream rig setup). Unfortunately I won't be able to return the HD500 as I've owned it for a little longer, but I will sell and go back to an old school setup which I was trying to avoid really. So in all a store will need to refund nearly £2k because of poor quality control.
Finally another hours drive through rush hour traffic to get home without a guitar I have paid for. I was not in the best of moods to say the least.
It's not just this, it's cost me time from work (which I have to make back) and money in more fuel to resolve a problem that I've given over a thousand pounds too. I feel due compensation. I'm just grateful the store was so understanding and apologetic, although like I said to them it wasn't their fault. These guitars were fresh from Line 6.
Buy with caution people, there's a lot of poorly made ones out there, I've already played 5 of them - so it's not a one off, more like just send em out they'll never notice:(
I find out hopefully tommorrow what's happening!
by Leftzilla on 2011-12-09 06:39:29
Well if I had that same experience I would be pretty upset also. My first Variax 700 I was able to pick up in a local store and was basically direct from Line 6 and had absolutely no issue. I bought a Acoustic 700 direct from Musicians Friend and again absolutely no problems. Recently purchased at JTV-59 from Amazon and again a great instrument right out of the box. (Loose alt tuning knob but that was just a glue issue). Obviously you have run into a very bad situation that sounds like whoever has the distribution responsibility in the local market is trying to pass off poor instruments or at least not paying attention whatsoever. I would pull the instrument out of the box prior to leaving the store. I can't beleive that 5 instrumets kater you haven't found one that is acceptable. Something else must be going on but regardless I would contact Line 6 directly instead of going through the store and explain what has been happening. Hope it works out because I am very happy with my JTV -59 and my overall Line 6 Experience.
by Nick_Mattocks on 2011-12-09 07:58:52
I'm really sorry that you've had this experience with several Korean JTV-69s. I played some from the very first batch into the UK back in February and have to say that they were all pretty good at that point. I also played a US version which was superb and that changed my view of the JTV-69 which was my least favourite of the three models and quite a long way behind the JTV-59 and JTV-89 at that point. The JTV-69 is still my No.3 in terms of styling.
I have a JTV-59 and a JTV-89 personally. The JTV 59 is a very nice guitar but it did initially have the 3 way selector switch issue, however aside from that it is a superb instrument. I was hoping that there would have been a JTV-89 with Floyd Rose, but if that is a possibility or not I don't know. I am a fan of Ibanez RG guitars and the neck apart from the reverse headstock on the JTV-89 is very good and not a million miles from any of my three Ibanez RG models.
I got my 59 in mid June and then my JTV-89 at the beginning of August from D*ws*ns in Manchester a few days before the shop was trashed in the riots.
The JTV-89 in my view having been following the JTV series since the massive Future of Variax thread that was started by Rich Renken about three years ago, apart from being the cheapest JTV variant, seems to be the guitar that there have been very few problems with. I was a little bit put off the 89 at first because of the 'ridge' in the centre of the guitar because in photographs (to me), it seems to to be quite prominent and much more so in 2D than it does in real life.
It's marketed as a 'shred' guitar which undoubtedly is something it can be used for, but it doesn't have to be used for shredding if you don't want to. In fact I know someone who likes it for Jazz LOL
I'm just mentioning the JTV-89 as a viable option if you like a fast thin neck and maybe are not dead set on having a trem, but if (as I suspect you may be) you are also dealing with D*ws*ns they probably have an 89 in stock as well. It might be worth giving it a try. You may like it
I'm not trying to defend what plainly seems like a less than satisfactory batch of JTV-69 guitars as that's an issue that needs to be looked into, but just suggesting an alternative which could leave you £100 less out of pocket into the bargain.
by MrBluesman on 2011-12-09 14:04:54
Thanks for your input guys
I personally like the 69 followed closely by the 59. I'm a strat guy although I have a Les Paul too. Trem is part of my style which is why I opted for the 69 overall, I'd probaly get both if I had the money. The 89 is not really for me purely on it'd appearance I wouldn't be happy with it, maybe when I was in my 20's (god I'm getting old!).
Just to clarify all the guitars were tested in store, sealed boxes from a delivery. With the first guitar the one I got home after testing in store I only noticed the problems after getting home as the store was quite busy and noisey so it just drowned things out that I didn't notice. When I went back to pick up a replacement it was discovered that every guitar we tested (manger and I) had the same issue. He wasn't best pleased himself
It wasn't the store you mention, not that that matters because they were fresh deliveries in unopened boxes.
The store said they'd call me today but haven't! The store has my money still but I have no guitar as it was left with them to sort and call me. But if I'm honest they've been great and really apologetic not that's it's their fault. I'm guessing it's because customer service mangement have taken it to their directors who have started a process for me.
I posted here and in the other forum http://line6.com/support/message/335979#335979where I have recieved great customer support and am know in touch with Line6. The matter is with Line6 and will be dealt with next week.
I will keep posted my progress.
My initial complaint was not to complain about the store or indeed Line6 customer service, Simply just the poor quality of these instruments that I paid a lot of money for. In my opinion when paying over a grand for a guitar it should be immaculate in every area.
by pugdealer on 2011-12-09 15:32:24
Hey mrbluesman
I'm totally simpathetic with you. These issues seem to be VERY common on the 69's, and they're not acceptable. The problem is always regarding the tremolo and (worse) the neck. It's just an awfull neck! Very badly finished!!! You get fret buzz cause the frets aren't levelled, you get those buzzes from the nut to the pegs (I had to put a rubber band on the strings to silence them), the E strings tend to fall off the fretboard, the fretboard edges are badly polished and uneven... I mean, the neck just isn't acceptable! It spoils a great guitar! And please, don't feed me that story about the guitar being half the price for the guitar itself and the other for the electronics...I've had and played cheap guitars from factory's all over the world and this is the worst neck ever!
I'm also disappointed and would have bought a 59 instead, not to say some other guitar!
by Nick_Mattocks on 2011-12-10 05:57:14
No problem. I understood the store was being pretty good about it from your first post, however if all their stock is the same then they will need to discuss this with Line 6.
I hear you on liking the JTV-69 format the best of all, and that's fair enough too. The guitar should not exhibit any major issues, excepting minimal issues of user preference which would normally be resolved by an initial professional set-up as with any new guitar. The JTV-89 option was just a suggestion
Good luck with getting a speedy resolution.
by MrBluesman on 2012-01-05 01:29:32
Hoping to finally have an update in the next few days.
Hopefully it will be positive
by dylantan on 2012-01-05 03:46:38
I had almost a similar experience when buying the JTV59 (2 weeks ago). The first piece they took out from the store had the Tuner knob sunk in further than it should - the start of the white label on the knob same level as the body surface. They took out another piece and all seemed okay after a quick rund-down. After I paid, the shopkeeper told me that all the JTVs he has in the shop has been with him for a year.
I carried out the setup to lower the strings. While turning some of the allen screws at the bridge, I could see some chrome flaking off. I was astonished and said to myself "Oh well ... I can live that!" which I don't think anyone should for a guitar of this price. I use both second-handed (Japanese and Korean) guitars and have 2 American Fenders.
However, I ended up using 3 string sets because the high "E" kept breaking at the tuner. After some thought - I decided to DIY and carefully filed off the "E" tuner's hole so it doesn't cut the string. It worked. I ended up playing for quite a while together with my brand new HD500.
My conclusion? Quality control ... hmmm. Now my JTV is a little relic'd (at the tuner)!
by MrBluesman on 2012-02-06 03:23:24
It's time I updated this thread - I'm going to keep it brief. I left it a little while to give myself chance to settle in with the guitar.
I finally recieved my Guitar (A Brand new one from Line 6) within the first couple of weeks in January
It was set up by Tim Morgan to a fantasic standard, I am extremely pleased with it and love this thing now. Along with my DT-25, POD HD500 this thing rocks and provides so much inspiration to delve into musical styles I wouldn't normally have to option too. ex. I've been writing Dobro parts, Banjo parts etc
Again I am very pleased and the guitar so much better than the original one I recieved.
Now onto how Line6 looked after me.
These are the people I dealt with
Chris Neave
Tim Morgan (indirectly)
Rich Renkin
What can I say? The service I recieved from Line6 and the above people was second to none. I have never been so looked after after my initial problems. I was kept informed (I'm sure they were sick of me pestering on updates over the Xmas period). They really understood my frustrations.
Now I won't go into too much detail of the compensation I recieved (it wouldn't be fair to give these expectations to other people, as every case is different). Lets just say for my time and patience I recieved more than adequate compensation from Chris NEave which was very much appreciated and being used a lot - Thank You Chris . Rich Renkin also offered future options to me which I will certainly take up so thanks Rich. And to Tim Morgan you're skills are being very much appreciated in the feel/playability of my instrument. I thanks all you guys for your patience with me and the fantastic service I recieved - You are a credit to the company and LINE6 should be very proud to have you as it employees - got any Jobs going? LOL
I would also like to publicly thank my dealer (PMT Music in Manchester) as they also gave me some cash (10%) back due to the instrument going in their Xmas sale for a period.
So in all yes I was very frustrated and disappointed initially but LINE 6 and the people above restored my faith completely, they have gained a customer for life and someone that would love to work with these products professionally as I totally am blown away with them (as was my pprocer friend when he heard it the other night - his Jaw literally hit the floor!).
I post this as we are all quick to complain (rightly so) but not so quick to feedback on service levels that exceed anything I have ever experienced.
by markcockerill on 2012-02-06 06:50:57
I am so pleased it all turned out for you mate. I transplanted a Warmoth neck onto my 69 within a couple of days of getting it. It fixed all the problems you have experienced. My only regret is that I have a rather nice Warmoth guitar, active EMGs with a JTV69 neck on it which I no longer play. I may as well have thrown away £1500. I don't expect compensation from Line 6 for my loss but still very dissappointed that I had to resort to such a measure to fix what should not have been broken. Still, really glad they fixed it for you. I suppose I can revel in the fact that it is NOW the best guitar I have ever owned and I've had some in the last 39 years. No one seems to have a clue as to what it is I'm playing but that's part of the fun.
by simbo on 2012-02-06 07:29:33
Im pleased youve got sorted out MrBluesman but can I enquire did Line6 offer
any explanation for the poor quality of the guitars you tried in store. The reason
I am asking this is because I am considering buying a 69 myself and find your
experience a little off putting.
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Ahh, I didn't realize that you had a SR-2 setup. The frequency that the WUs were coming at seemed unbelievable for just the single 4p setup (not counting the GPU WUs). Awesome of you indeed
Thank's the 4p got 2 bigadv's in today, and the Sr-2 still has one to drop. It might make it today, cutting it real close though. If it does, tomorrow won't be that great.
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Wish those P8102's were more plentiful. I have not seen any in about a month, but had a few P6901's during that time. I'm glad to see your hardware pumpin' out some big points. What PPD does the SR-2 get with a P8102?

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Great looking pie Lance!CL
Lance,Usually for a cold fermented NY style dough you don't need to add any sugar to the dough until you get out to about three days of cold fermentation. Over that time period, there are enough sugars released from the damaged starch by enzymatic performance (simple sugars) to feed the yeast and to have some leftover (residual sugars) to participate in Maillard reactions to produce color in the finished crust. If you add sugar to the dough and use the dough after about a day, you are very likely to get increased crust coloration because of caramelization of complex sugars and the Maillard reactions. Tom Lehmann discusses this effect of sugars added to a dough in a PMQ Think Tank post at http://thinktank.pmq.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4669&hilit=#p26890.Peter
I just pulled a NY Style out of oven using a 20 oz dough fermented for 5 days. Stretched on an 18" screen. Tfactor was .8My first attempt tfactor was .65 and both were very good.Flour 100%water 62%salt 1.75%oil 1%yeast .3%Baked in 550* oven on middle rack for 10 min. I tried to post photos but too big.
I made this pizza with Power Flour 5 min mix, 1 hr on counter before I balled it and put in fridge for 20 hrs then on counter for 2 hrs, then cooked for 6 Min's on barbecue, the barbecue is a big steel keg. Oven temp 650, stone temp 575. On grill for 6 Min's. I wish the crust was more airy. any ideas or suggestions or thoughts, would be great thanks.LanceFlour 243 gwater 64%idy .35%Salt 4.9 goil 4%
Great job Lance. Question, I may have missed this but what diameter is the pizza?I have a Kamado too but not a Big Steel Keg. I heard so much about these. I'd like to make pizza in my Kamado too.
Lance,Your Mexican pizzas do look good. I really like the Mexican toppings. To answer your question about using the amount of preferment you are using, it doesnt seem like that amount would be too much for a NY style dough. I have used a higher amount in the preferment Lehmann dough. I would think if you would up your hydration in the final dough more, it might help with oven spring, and if you think your crust was too dense and chewy it might help with that also. It is always difficult to answer questions like yours, because someone didnt get to watch you make your dough, or see pictures of how your dough balls fermented, but dont really think it was your mixing method. What kind of flour did you use? Your bulk ferment seems good, but maybe also the two hrs. of letting the dough balls sit out wasnt enough for the dough balls to get the extended benefit of fermentation. Your final dough amount of IDY is about what I used for a 1 day cold ferment. What is the TF you are using also?Norma
Lance,I think you did a very nice job. Using a poolish of around 20-25% isn't bad for a poolish based on using commercial yeast, but if there is too much poolish, there are acids that are produced that can toughen the dough and lower the pH to the point where you can have problems with crust coloration. You seemed to avoid that particular problem. There are some very good articles about preferments that were written by Didier Rosada, formerly of the San Francisco Baking Institute. Those articles can usually be found in the archives of the Wayback Machine at http://web.archive.org/web/20040814193817/cafemeetingplace.com/archives/food3_apr2004.htm and at http://web.archive.org/web/20050829015510/www.cafemeetingplace.com/archives/food4_dec2004.htm. The latter article discusses the effects of acid on the strength of the dough.Peter
Also does TF stand for total flour or something else.thanksLance


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The Loyola Moron Vol. XLII Loyola University, New Orleana, La., Friday, April 1, 1966 Big Motitli of Loyola, sinoe 1623 Sicard Named Dean Of MEN; Jolly Elated Mrs. Mary Sicard, present housemother of Biever Hall, was named Dean of Men at Loyola. "Why not," roared Father Homer Jolly when questioned on the advisibility of his choice. "Well how in tarnation do you like that," commented Mrs. Sicard in her candid, folksy manner when informed of the move. "Now I can run room checks on -the in-town students, too. There won't be an unmade boy's bed in the city of New Orleans." Miss Sicard, affectionately known as "Mae" to the some 400 male boarders she plays mother for, immediately took steps to turn her second floor Biever Hall boudoir into a suite of offices. Father Jolly termed the move another in a long, line of "unprecedented actions to further enhance Loyola's image in the public eye." He cited the naming of Mrs. Sicard as housemother for the boys' dorm and a renewal of Bill Gardiner's contract as basketball coach as previous "progressive" examples. "I talked it over with several of the staff around here," Father Jolly explained, "and came to the conclusion that she was the one for the job. The clincher was when Rosie Parrino gave me the go ahead." Father Jolly noted that there was only one hitch to the whole proceedings: "Of course Rosie (Parrino) doesn't like the idea of another woman holding the title of Dean around here. 'One female Dean is enough for any school,' she told me. So we're going to call Mrs. Sicard either Deanella Sicard or Deanette Sicard. It will be brought before the Board and voted on. We should have an answer before school starts next year." Though Father Jolly would not confirm it, several rumors have been circulating as to more "progressive" steps on Loyola's part for the 1966-67 school year. 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SAGA Racked, Truck Burned In Student Riot Approxi mat e 1 y 200 hungry Loyola dorm students rioted Monday outside the service entrance of SAGA Food Service. A Pepsi-Cola truck was wrecked and burned and 32 students were treated for minor injuries by the Student Health Service. The sh or t-lived rioting, which resulted from the near famine conditions existing in the contract dining room for the past month occured late Monday afternoon. The violence began when the first group of students to enter the dining room for supper discovered that there was no cottage cheese available. Chanting "We want cottage cheese!" the students began pelting SAGA personnel with paper napkins. They then charged into the dining room to take turns throwing glasses at a milk machine. After inflamatory speeches by three unidentified students, the mob, by now 200 strong, surged out of Danna Center in the parking lot where a Pepsi truck was heing unloaded. The students overturned the truck and set fire to it. In the ensuing explosion the windows of Danna Center were shattered and huge gobs of rootbeer suds were scattered over a four-block area. Thirty students were injured by the flying glass and two others nearly suffocated from inhaling too much root-beer suds. Immediately after the explosion three guards from the university security police, surrounded the horde, blowing their whistles and brandishing flashlights. Their presence calmed the mob instantly and the rioters were led away to the ROTC rifle range for interrogation.When asked how the police had quelled the riot so easily, Lester W. Campbell, head of security for Loyola, attributed their success to student malnutrition.The Student Council asked the Student Union to form a sub-committee to investigate ways and means of perhaps seeking advice on possibly alleviating the food situation. Various authorities were consulted. The Rev. Luigi Ligutti, Vatican representative to the Food and Agricultural Organization, suggested harvesting the seaweed on the bottom of Audubon Park lagoon and plowing under the quadrangle to grow hybrid corn. Although such advice came too late, Elroy Ringer of SAGA is optimistic that the number of starvation cases will be minimal. "We still have a fair supply of rice," he said, "and no one will be asked to eat potatoes from our emergency stockpile until all that rice is gone." He added that "if the appeal we have made to the government of India for a foreign aid grant of 11 tons of rice goes through, no one will have to eat potatoes at all." He also indicated that he is negotiating with India to swap 17 tons of raspberry jello for 800 head of sacred cows. "They are scrawny," Ringer admitted,admitted, "but they will insure an adequate supply of Sloppy Joes." Other help is on the way, according to Ringer. The Vatican has dispatched five steam tables blessed personally by Pope Paul, and the Duchy of Grand Fenwick is sending 63 cases of brocoli. Chain Gang . . . Prisoners captured in the abortive riot against the Saga Food Service are being led away by members of Sgt. Lester Campbell's famous anti-riot squad. The husky students rebelled after sophomore John Birchbeer succumbed to rice poisoning during Sunday Dinner.Dinner. The prisoners were handed over to Mr. Ringer and sentenced to an extra semester on the meal program after being cornered by Campbell's Commandos in the Wolf's Den. Major Elmore Employs Military Strategy, Quells Freret Dorm Riot, Saves Panties Major Louis N. Elmore, United States Army, has been awarded Loyola Reserve Officer Training Corps' top decoration for valor (a blue ribbon and a case of Dixie beer) for his display of courage and leadership in breaking up the raucous panty raid on the Freret St. girls' dormitories. When Elmore received word of the crisis he was quickly galvanized into action. Expertly deploying his regular Ranger troops on the left flank, he then called in a reserve force from Scabbard and Blade to execute an encirclement maneuver.Braving a withering crossfire of water bullous, Major Elmore then blew the charge signal on his trumpet, and valiantly stemmed the tide of wineswilling - girl - crazy Loyola males. Official sources reported to the Moron that ROTC casualtiescasualties were described as "light to moderate," while 397 of the enemy were killed by actual body count. Leaders of the insurrection protested that the ROTC heroes violated the Geneva Conventions on Land Warfare when they substituted stale cake requisitioned from Saga Food Service for cannon balls. Questioned about this Mr. Ringer, manager of Saga replied, "Well it may have been a little sneaky, but after all this was the No. 1 item on the food preference survey." Major Elmore, not to be confused with John Wayne, did not emerge from the skirmish entirely unscratched. He received a superficial wound in the optic region (a black eye) when struck by a beer bottle hurled by one of the surly enemy mob. Sally Droppelman, monitor of the girls' dormitory was so overcome by Major Elmore's heroism that she gave him a big kiss in appreciation for savingsaving the day, saying "My hero. You're so cute in your uniform."Major Elmore maintained his poise, however, and politely reprimanded Miss Droppelman for fogging up his brass. ELMORE
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Jill, you are fast!
No, what I noticed was there were links to other parts of the web site in the noscript section that did not appear anywhere else on the page.
Just wondering how the SEs would parse and react to that. Since noscript text does not show on most browsers today I would think in a many situations the search engines might consider that deceptive.
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But my opinion is that it would technically be search engine spam.
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But my opinion is that it would technically be search engine spam.
I read some where that search engines will consider links inside the noscript tags as "noindex, nofollow". Is there any truth to that?
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Just wondering how the SEs would parse and react to that. Since noscript text does not show on most browsers today I would think in a many situations the search engines might consider that deceptive.
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Ah, that's a bit different. Your first post said:
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it is irrelivant how much of the site is made up of images, flash, text or anything else, its usage it quite clear and simple.
If a browser cannot run scripts then parse the HTML between the tags, plain and simple, and as long as the content inbetween the tags is valid markup, what ever the contents is , is the contents, now if some choose to try to game a system by using the noscript tag for keyword stuffing or similar, then they are incorrectly using the tag and thus giving a diservice to their visitors.
But to arbitarily penalise a page for having content between the noscript tag, would be a clear indication of the lack of understanding of what the tag is used for.
Posted 30 July 2008 - 01:32 PM
If a tag is used to produce an irrelevant search result, such as a page where the target content is not visible, but has been encapsulated in a NOSCRIPT tag, then yes, that should be penalized. If a tag is used to provide HTML content for visitors who don't run JavaScript (where the JavaScript shows equivalent content), then that is a good thing.
If you use JavaScript to deploy Flash, NOSCRIPT is a potentially legitimate method of providing accessibility.
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I have always seen and understood the real purpose of NOSCRIPT tags but this site made be think can it be misused and will they get caught. I can remember seeing sites using absolute positioning that mapped div sections off the page and were filled with keyword text. It appears there a some people are dumb enough to try deploying a similar tactic using NOSCRIPT tags.
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Posted 01 August 2008 - 04:10 AM
The other argument to Jonothans comment , though is you get irreivent search results from the noscript tag whether you want it or not, if the SE's are going to apply weight to the noscript content.
Generally I use the noscript tag to tell visitors that the site uses JS and if you want to benefit from all the features the site has to offer you need to enable JS if possible and refresh your browser.
remember JS against W3C Accesability guidlines means JS shouldn't be used to produce content, but enhance user experience, so where ever possible, standard X/HTML/CSS should be used for content.
So if you have a page with a menu navigation that only works with JS switched on and the only way you can offer an alternative navigation is with hyperlinks to the website page structure, then that's what should be in the noscript tag.
But perhaps the real solution is working out a way of having the same menu structure without JS switched on so then there is no need to have different menu navigation code in the noscript tag.
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Found this thread and thought I would ask a question about <noscript>. Now please be patient with me as I do NOT have control over this and will not be making any changes to the CMS. I DO NOT want the <no script> tag (which contains a META refresh) crawled - is there anyway I can restrict Googlebot from crawling it? Now - it's unlikely that this may be changed (so any changes to server side code is appreciate but it won't be implemented), so I'm hoping for a kinda 'rel=nofollow' solution.
Cheers guys.
*Edit - Sorry I do not have control.
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Not really sure what sort of thing you were thinking you could do if you don't have any control of anything.
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omegabowz202 | #91 Subject: pokemon Posted: 07/30/2005 12:45:24 |
there easy to get up in ruby and sappire all you do is go through the pokemon leage and does any one need help getting the regis because you need a relicath and a wailord [spelling ???].
omegabowz202 | #92 Subject: charizard Posted: 07/30/2005 12:46:17 |
you need fire red of some one that has it to lend a hand
omegabowz202 | #93 Subject: dessert Posted: 07/30/2005 12:48:33 |
if you have a low level mud kip it is the best place to get it up though because its not effected by the sand storm and learns water attacks
Crypto137 | #94 Subject: charizard Posted: 07/30/2005 13:58:29 |
so did you have to trade something for that charizard or did you have to use a gameshark or what? ive beaten the pokemon leauge at least 50 times now
Crypto137 | #95 Subject: oooooooooooo Posted: 07/30/2005 23:43:00 |
so you can trade pokemon from fire red to ruby im in luck then i rented fire red lol
omegabowz202 | #96 Subject: problem Posted: 07/31/2005 00:06:17 |
you have to stupidly beat the game to unlock it and that is the only stupid
bad thing. and it is really long but if you played blue and red it should be fairly easy but the islands |
omegabowz202 | #97 Subject: just helping out with stuff that sucks Posted: 07/31/2005 00:14:29 |
it should take 40 hours if you dont catch 60 pkmn because after you beaten the elite 4 and have 60 pkmn professor oak will give you the next upgrade to the dex so you can go get these stupid azs stones so you can trade and the next island pass and when on island 2 get blast burn its at the top of the water fall just copy and paste this stuff to a word document or works and when you get there you should be fine
Ralph9-10-58 | #98 Subject: my team. Posted: 07/31/2005 00:53:11 |
Rayquza2.Lv.100 Charzard.Lv.100 Latios.Lv.99 Latias.Lv99 Deoxsis.Lv.89 and for the seald chamber i made all three caves unlock now for the three like Dessert Under past means for Reggie Rock which i now now but how you get in there do you need a sertian pokemon to get in i need help please help.the cave name that i need help into get into it which is the Name Desert Ruins which now i am half way in the big wall is in the way so i need help please help me. |
Ralph9-10-58 | #99 Subject: need ditto. Posted: 07/31/2005 16:15:25 |
all i need is ditto or a girl of ethier babasor or charmander or squrtal or i could just use a ditto to make them breerad babies then i can give all the babeis away.right now i am looking for Reliketh the girl one so i can make babies because i can get some cool pokemon with them those things are so damn easy to find but sometimes hard as heack to find if you have no luck.i am looking for all the shiny pokemon i already have one pokemon that is shiney on ruby and that is Wingull yes him he has few diffent colors of shineys to find i found his greend wing form the wings are green.
Crypto137 | #100 Subject: im stupid Posted: 07/31/2005 18:12:12 |
sorry im not getting how you guys got to trade a charizard from fire red to ruby i tried yesterday no luck
Magnifico123 | #101 Subject: u arent stupid, just confused Posted: 07/31/2005 18:21:27 |
hey crypto137, in fire red, did you get the ruby and the saphire and give them to bill's friend at the pokemon center on one island? if not, it wont work.
Ralph9-10-58 | #102 Subject: ok how do you get in the dessert under past i just caught Refi rock. Posted: 07/31/2005 20:35:28 |
how do you get in there in that stupid dessert under past i am right now in the dessert right now.and yeah what that one said you need both the ruby and spphire to make the tradding work.
Crypto137 | #103 Subject: ok something to do Posted: 08/01/2005 14:11:11 |
alright i got to do that then lol ty for the help
Crypto137 | #104 Subject: lol Posted: 08/02/2005 22:24:58 |
they said that these were the new graphics for the new pokemon games lol my pic look at it
Crypto137 | #105 Subject: guess that pokemon Posted: 08/02/2005 22:26:42 |
if u guess the right name of the pokemon in that pic i posted then u get a pat on the back lol
happycamper4... | #106 Subject: ... Posted: 08/02/2005 22:27:27 |
Everyone pokemon is a dead game, end of story.
omegabowz202 | #107 Subject: title of game Posted: 08/03/2005 12:20:37 |
why the heck is it called pokemon im just interested because it doesnt tell you at all any where in the games and series at all and how the fuck there are monsters running the heck every where and how the hell do they get into the poke balls
Ralph9-10-58 | #108 Subject: i know that pokemon. Posted: 08/03/2005 17:44:13 |
its Cuebone lol.i may have spelled it wrong but that is the easyis pokemon on the game.
surfergirl32... | #109 Subject: Where Posted: 08/04/2005 19:59:50 |
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in pokemon emerald where is the sky pillar??????????????????????????
omegabowz202 | #110 Subject: sky pilliar Posted: 08/05/2005 13:26:29 |
it is right next to the town that has all the rafts on it and you need to surf to the right at the top of the screen first and to reach the top you will need the mach bike
omegabowz202 | #111 Subject: join if need help from beging to end Posted: 08/05/2005 16:30:52 |
join my club all i do is help people get throught the games and i know how to get through all games but emrerald
and part of crstyal http://clubs.1up.com/do/club?clubid=57001 |
omegabowz202 | #112 Subject: any one bored Posted: 08/06/2005 13:15:23 |
i am what are some good games si could get
TheFron | #113 Subject: Indeed Posted: 08/13/2005 09:58:14 |
Does anyone know if they're coming out with a full pokemon world rpg game that could be online also? maybe for the revolution?
I'm tired of all these tidpit GB games, I ready for a full enviorment with all the places from the series and comics |
omegabowz202 | #114 Subject: i agree Posted: 08/21/2005 22:48:10 |
why dont you come over to my club no one here has talked in a long time
ill send you an invite if you accept you do if not oh well |
SkidClanks | #115 Subject: PLEASE Posted: 10/13/2005 08:51:44 |
please join my new pkmn club!
im trying 2 get pkmn back from the dead and i need support please join its called pokemon power |
yodada | #116 Subject: pokemon diamond pearl Posted: 12/21/2005 20:50:33 |
when did it come out i dont see it anywhere and says it already come out
mallraider75 | #117 Subject: Pokemon Diamond/Pearl Posted: 12/29/2005 15:40:38 |
Sometime this Spring. I love Pokemon, so I'm waiting for the DS version to come out.
Crimson-Hris... | #118 Subject: Pokemon D/P Posted: 01/23/2006 06:00:24 |
Pokemon Diamond and Pearl looks to be fun. There are a bunch of questions I would like to see answered about it though:
1. What will the extent of the online mode be? Will there be legendary Pokemon filters? How will they deal with cheating? 2. Will they upgrade the graphics much? Or is it going to be like R/S? 3. What will they add and subtract from the gameplay? I would love to see a return to day and night. 4. Will we be able to jump regions? 5. Will their be online tournaments? It strikes me that online Pokemon D/P will probably pale in comparison to say, Netbattle, but if Nintendo can control legendary abuse and cheating, it will definitely be worth a look. =) |
TwilightPrin... | #119 Subject: I'm waiting Posted: 04/12/2006 11:28:36 |
Yeah, I'm also waiting for the DS pokemon games... what do people thing the Pokemon Ranger game will be like? better? worse? (than the regular blue/red/gold/pearl/etc)
Nenegil | #120 Subject: this is about pokemon ranger for twilightprincess. Posted: 04/16/2006 20:27:47 |
pokemon ranger has some pretty cool graphics and it's very easy to capture the pokemons but just watch out for there attacks which could break you barrier that you us your stylis to make circles around them but the bad part is that its a 8-9 hour game.


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"The Epiphone Casino, introduced in 1961, is a close copy of an existing Gibson model - in this case, the ES-330, which had made its own first appearance some two years previously. Outwardly, both guitars somewhat resembled the Gibson ES-335, although the 330 and Casino were true hollow-bodies, lacking the 335's center block. They were also fitted with single-coil, P-90 pickups, rather than the 335's humbuckers. The distinctive "dog-ear" pickup covers on the first Casinos were black, and the instruments also boasted "dot" fret markers and mock-tortoiseshell pickguards. These features were all changed within a few years: the Casino… by 1963 had a three-layer white plastic pickguard, nickel-covered P-90s, and "parallelogram" neck inlays. The Casino is sometimes described as "The guitar that put Epiphone on the map," and while this statement takes no account of the company's distinguished earlier reputation, its modest "ES-330 clone" was certainly to prove highly successful with jazz, country and (increasingly) rock players… Following its introduction in 1961, the Epiphone Casino sold well in the USA, and subsequently attracted the attention of some high-profile overseas customers: The Beatles. It was actually Paul McCartney (nominally the group's bassist) who first used one during a Beatles recording session in London in 1965. The following year, however, George Harrison and John Lennon purchased their own Casinos, and while Harrison did not play his very frequently (he was more closely associated with Gretsch's), Lennon almost immediately adopted the Epiphone as his principal electric guitar, and continued to feature Casinos on live gigs and recordings for the rest of his life." (Nick Freeth. The Illustrated Directory of Guitars (pp. 131-133).
Introduced in 1961, this was Epiphone's $275.00 version of the highly popular Gibson ES-330. The Casino was discontinued in 1970. B.B. King, Eric Clapton, and Jimmy Hendrix (while playing with the Isley Brothers) were all playing Epiphone Casinos. Near the end of 1964, Epiphone scored an unexpected coup when the Beatles bought three Casinos -- one each for George Harrison, John Lennon, and Paul McCartney. All three Casinos were Sunburst, and George's had a Bigsby vibrola tailpiece. McCartney put his on record almost immediately, playing the guitar fills on the group's 1965 hit "Ticket to Ride" on his Casino. Fans around the world saw the Casinos on the Beatles's world tour of 1966. The group used them on various recordings and promotional films.
In the early fifties the highly respected Epiphone company closed its doors for the last time and many of its employees went to work for Guild. In 1957 Gibson took control of Epiphone lock, stock and barrel and throughout most of the sixties Epiphones were made alongside Gibsons in the Kalamazoo factory, often sharing bodies, electrics and hardware, but always retaining the distinctive Epiphone headstock. The most famous Epiphone users were The Beatles' John Lennon and George Harrison, who both owned Casinos - ES330-style semi-acoustic guitars. Lennon stripped his tobacco sunburst instrument bare of finish and in photographs this looks like a regular blonde Casino. Other Epi players were the lamented Steve Marriott who often used a solid-bodied Crestwood in his days with Boogie band Humble Pie.
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Will there be a Mormon blessing at the GOP convention?
Lisa Sharon Harper and David Innes discuss the possibility of a Mormon invocation at the RNC.
Aug 10, 2012
Lisa Sharon Harper, David Innes
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Take on that debate on the panel today -- co authors of the book -- left right and Christ evangelical faith and politics Lisa Sharon harper.
Is and David and it's Lisa is in it Los Angeles and David is right here with me welcome you both.
Thank you very much.
Think he agreed to be your name and it's great to be here to and I -- I did just first of -- I notified -- fight kind of -- defined what this argument has been sort of touted in both left and right I mean Lisa what do you think you -- it is that's kind of how it's been happening it's like.
But you talk to the conservative side you hear that it's about religious freedom if you talk -- the liberal site we hear this is a women's rights issue.
Is that -- or or not.
Sure and they think that that is actually the way that it's been.
Touted in the media but the really isn't that.
You don't guide actually -- that each person is made in the image of god.
Made his image and because of that you know I actually believe that we really should be supporting the kind of health care that.
Extends and and gives access to health care to -- -- people including women as possible.
You know we have a high poverty rate right now we have a fifteen million people who are not insured.
And be -- for Affordable Care Act.
It actually gives extends health care to 32 million.
More people.
Let's talk about that okay and and I gave it.
Well the that we were made in the image of god all of us men and women both and that means we are valuable.
That doesn't mean the government asked for five different thing for us and what we've -- whenever the government steps in.
To an area where it doesn't belong and I didn't intended to be problems arise and what you have -- government stepping into this whole health care matter.
And then of course they want to micromanage everything and they say well.
-- companies have to provide for some reason birth control to every one and that's got some people's religious liberties and the government doesn't care in this how we this is how we ended up there.
Let let's listen to the president is out about that helped her -- and how it is that it had direct appeal to boot -- the woman vote.
Take -- listen.
I never felt this -- before but it's a scary time to be a woman can't -- it's just fell out of touch.
Romney opposes requiring insurance coverage for contraception.
And Romney supports overturning Roe vs.
Wade Romney backed a bill that outlaws all abortion.
-- -- say is this affair and I this is it.
Accurate to.
I'd like actually address something it's very inaccurate and with what David just dead and the reality is is that.
The app permission the -- that the Obama administration.
Was that it actually would not be.
It would not require.
I religious institutions to -- the coverage themselves and actually would require insurance companies.
To me to make sure that and that coverage is covered by -- but I -- we haven't.
I wanna get energy because I know this is that the comeback is but many of these religious institutions -- and our self insured in which this facility in that case they would actually be paying fort.
Anyway I think that's -- bit.
That the issue of surrounding it and also for you know religious people who not all businesses are privately owned company said gonna continue.
Certain that the that the information is not perfect -- The reality is is that we should be supporting the kind of legislation that helps people to live.
-- -- health care fundamentally is really about the right to life.
If you have poor people who cannot afford.
To paid for high insurance it's insurance.
Plans didn't.
It's really up to all of us to use all of the measures possible.
The church.
The markets and governments to make sure that every human being with in our borders.
Has the ability to live.
But David responded up.
Well who I think they were talking a birth control which is not a life and death issue and if that's all -- that is so David if that's all that were.
Then we would have a much more limited.
Policy instead we have the government takeover of our health insurance industry which is is.
It's it's it's the -- tool for a -- a delicate issue.
But I mean he's -- know what you need to -- when -- -- I want to respond to that ad directly -- -- is at a fair.
Mitt Romney and and how he is looking at that health care law.
Well I mean what I what I would say is that.
What we're talking about -- we're talking about the ability for women to be able to protect their lives.
And their bodies and you know.
The fact actually David is that.
Just last year there was a study that was released.
It's said that women's.
Ovarian cancer can be risk of ovarian cancer can be cut as much as 70%.
-- by use of oral contraceptives.
So contraception is not always.
In and actually not only about.
Preventing -- sometimes it actually is about.
Preventing -- My.
I understand that that I understand how birth control can be used for more than just birth control.
Is that the government's business to be telling.
All insurance companies that they have to provide this forever -- -- were no matter who the employers that's just goes.
Far -- we don't know you could -- I think it's the government's business.
To be able -- to do it every -- to protect the lives of its citizens.
You know we can I can I -- some of the president said in the speech I bet he said.
Decisions that affect a woman's health are not up to politicians.
Or insurance companies -- -- the women behind him and said they're up to you.
But with the system he set off.
Decisions are up to politicians and government bureaucrats and even at the end of life government will decide whether -- delivered -- whether your life is worth spending.
Health care dollars on or not that's precisely the system he set up he must not understand what he set up.
-- you know -- wanted to topic number two because the big health care law's going to be.
-- is gonna be hotly debated the next few weeks and -- -- cohort so we're we're going to be perfect.
Pull out more time to hash that out.
But our next topic is they would look at the Republican National Convention met -- kicks off in just a couple of weeks.
All the bloody each day will be a spiritual leader from a variety of faith traditions who will give an invocation.
Will there be -- of Mormon among the group as the first woman to be nominated for president Mitt Romney has not talked much about his -- Not too much on the campaign trail.
And one would assume because of his tenuous kind of standing with the evangelical Christians -- a problem with us.
So how -- a blessing from the church of latter day saints affair at the convention.
That's a question for the panel Lisa wanna start with you again because -- in -- -- I feel like you're so far away that I wanna bring UN.
Little birdie so the perfect -- okay so so you think you mean.
And -- Is is is it something how would that actually go over.
We know honestly I think that this is the kind of question that.
We spin in the -- and Internet sphere but it doesn't really matter you know what the kind of thing I really think we should be talking about it.
-- you have to question what wouldn't let let me run the administration.
-- they interact with the Ryan plan.
Which by the year 2050.
You know the -- -- would actually got the American government of almost everything except for.
Some Social Security sound medical care and ironically -- and health care.
And then in in defense so.
You know what let's talk about that what really matters is also how the Romney administration would.
I deal with the house GOP which just last week passed legislation's.
That will raise.
Taxes on the -- well at the same time cutting.
For rich people.
-- that you know I think having his right as a person of faith that matters to me but Yahoo! and Latin that would -- M.
Not -- the invocation.
No -- is no material things don't really matter in the long way Whitney did you know what David -- you have to admit this is going to matter for the Republican Party because this -- been an issue within the Republican Party about he always had a hard time.
With the evangelical Christians went down spoke with Liberty University hasn't talked much about his faith.
There's been one prominent evangelical pastor who basically you know called.
Of mormonism a cult so this -- mean is he.
Easy almost obligated not to was he obligated to just to show that you and he's -- -- his -- Well he's avoiding his faith it's it's it's if it's controversial ethic he wants to avoid controversies like that that really.
Are we going to pretend there are no mormons in the country there we -- Mormon dominated states and here we are that the Republicans are nominating a Mormon.
Are we gonna pretend that he's not as if -- -- And what people who who didn't locations tend to refer to -- to face it if the the state the lord Jesus Christ it's major national -- -- actually -- that he's.
So are handpicked their -- vetted very very carefully just so.
There's nothing in their background to offend anybody or any kind of controversy you have.
If you have Jewish.
Spiritual leaders Muslim -- leaders up there and so forth you know why not a Mormon.
If he's if -- candidate as a Mormon I don't think I don't think so cause much of a stir unless he did something.
Very unusual and get -- stood up there's a presbyterian.
And started going on and on what the five points of Calvin and some people think that was very strange in the country was founded by presbyterian.
Yeah and Ed and and we -- you -- basically it doesn't make any difference to you or to the party you kind.
Moved to the party the party -- because we're talking about.
Politics and politics is all about perception and image.
But what I'm saying is that.
In the long run this does not natter.
What matters is how and especially according to my faith and we're talking not evangelicals -- -- evangelicals care about.
Let's talk about some younger evangelicals.
Who really couldn't couldn't care less.
About who's gonna -- younger evangelicals.
Are going to care about what comes out of Romney's now.
I'm not when he speaks is he going to speak about poverty is he gonna say the word poverty.
Is he going to talk about and address the issues don't get poorer people feel they see going to talk about -- -- earned income tax credit which is -- and that last week last week by the GOP.
I think he's a much we gotta we gotta we got -- say -- for this week because we've run out of time wanna thank you so much both well he's a harbor and and David and as authors of -- left to right and Christ.
You've got my favorite I mean it's out there.
At tapes came came in we're talking about the first topic we -- about the birth control subjects she's Azam.
I'm not sure if many people know this but sixty -- -- with just one person.
And as far as I'm aware the only woman in history to get pregnant without a man's health is it was -- group virgin Mary.
And then have -- group of men have had a stake in and what happens to women.
The government should finance a woman's sexual activity especially in a way and especially when.
They have to encroach on religious freedom by doing so that is from our chat room.
Thank you so much for putting that and I wanna thank you both for being here get the book left right and Christ is very -- wonderful but thank you very much for being -- so --
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I joined this forum, in part, to respond to an individual going by the handle "papagino." In http://www.bautforum.com/archive/index.php/t-85118.html, he made the statement that one of my physics papers, "Theory of the Capacitor," is "pathetic." I skimmed through his comments, but could find no substantiation for this pejorative.
I've been a Ph.D. scientist and engineer in industry for over 30 years and have written numerous papers, books, and software packages. My theoretical physics mentor was Dewey B. Larson, from 1965 until his death in 1990. His Reciprocal System is a unified, general theory of the universe, and I've written over 50 papers on it, in addition to a primer entitled The Unmysterious Universe. My current project is the construction of a comprehensive data base of Reciprocal System calculations; this is chronicled at http://transpower.wordpess.com. You will find there numerous free papers (written in Mathcad and saved as a PDF) to download; they are all computational. One of these is "Theory of the Capacitor." Now, why is this important to a forum such as this? It's important because, if the conventional explanation of the two capacitor problem is found to be wrong, this undercuts electrical theory, which then undercuts the nuclear atom theory, which then destroys Quantum Mechanics, and which then makes laughable the concepts of neutron stars and black holes and the Big Bang.
As I show in "Theory of the Capacitor," the conventional theory results in a violation of the law of the conservation of energy, one of the most important verified laws in physics. Of course, the conventional theorist simply waves his hand and says that electromagnetic waves carry away the missing energy. C'me on, this is nonsensical. I lay out the Reciprocal System calculations and show that energy is conserved, after all.
I will make this as clear as possible: conventional electrical theory says that ordinary capacitors store charged electrons and that the quantity of energy stored is proportional to the square of the voltage. The Reciprocal System says, to the contrary, that ordinary capacitors store uncharged electrons and that the quantity stored is directly proportional to the voltage. All physical quantities in the Reciprocal System are expressed in space-time terms only--just s and t. Energy = [t/s] and an electron = [s]. Energy per electron is then (t/s)/s = t/s^2. These are the dimensions of voltage (and any force, for that matter).
There are, of course, numerous other problems in "modern physics" but just this one problem shows that it really is just a house of cards. I would suggest that if you also have doubts about "modern physics" you go to http://transpower.wordpress.com and download the free papers. I'm more interested in clarity than agreement, so if you disagree--or if you are working in conventional physics or another paradigm--let's at least try to stay civil.


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In 1985, a fledgling shop with Boston in its name skewered and roasted its birds in rotating rows, so they basted each other with seasoned drippings until firm flesh morphed into Sunday dinner succulence.
Since then, Americans have made takeout rotisserie chicken as much of a weeknight staple as a box of macaroni in the cupboard.
Statistics don't tell the whole story, but they're a good place to start. Grocery stores jumped on the trend back then and continue to reap rewards.
Six hundred million rotisserie chickens were purchased in U.S. supermarkets, club stores and similar retail outlets in 2010, the most recent year for which figures are available, according to the National Chicken Council. An additional 200 million were sold through food-service outlets.
A market study by NPD Group, a consumer research firm, found that consumers 50 and older eat more rotisserie chicken than other age groups, and the higher the household income, the more it is eaten.
A classic roast chicken is certainly one of the easier entrees to master. Salt and pepper, a little fat rubbed into the skin and a lemon in the cavity can do the trick. If you're a self-sufficient omnivore, an iteration or two ought to be in your repertoire.
But even cooks who take pride in their own recipes have come to rely on a trussed, store-bought option that often costs less than the price of raw poultry.
"Of course mine is best. When you don't have time to prepare it yourself, though, rotisserie chicken makes a decent meal," said Audrey Graziano. The 34-year-old Alexandria, Va., wife and mother of two has been buying supermarket-prepared chickens for about a decade. Leftovers go into chicken noodle soup, she said, and her mother-in-law may claim bones for stock.
Getting two or three family meals out of an inexpensive 2 1/2-pound bird offsets the big advantage a home-cooked chicken has over its commercial cousins. That would be the crisped, golden brown skin a source of guilty pleasure that most of the time provides the majority of flavor.
Retail containers that allow for successful rotisserie chicken transport have gotten greener and more technically advanced, but they do a number on the chicken's exterior, which gets clingy or splits in the time it takes to transfer a batch from store oven to heated store shelf.
So what have we learned in a generation of rotisserie chicken consumption?
It's tough to find a bird that can survive the journey of heated display shelf and leftover use unless it has been treated with some kind of water or salt solution.
There are more flavors to choose from: barbecue, lemon-pepper, Italian and roasted garlic among them.
Paying several dollars extra does not guarantee quality.
If yield is important, use your own scale to weigh the chicken. In comparing rotisserie chickens from 14 Washington, D.C.-area supermarkets, Washington Post staffers found more than one discrepancy between printed and actual weights.
Close readers of ingredient labels might find that yeast extract, oleoresin, sodium tripolyphosphate and the bewildering "natural flavorings" have been deployed. Most of those go toward flavoring and browning the chicken, said Pittsburgh food scientist and author Robert L. Wolke.
And even though the list of additives on the label of Costco birds appears to be longer than most, consumers love the product.
"It's pretty hard to pass up a big, meaty $4.99 rotisserie chicken," said Dean Desabrais, Northeast region deli and meat manager for the company.
Ongoing improvements and efficiencies sent 50 million rotisserie chickens through Costco checkout lines last year nationwide, he said. The program began in 1995, and a bird in the hand today costs less than it did in 2004, when the company increased the standard raw weight to a minimum of 3 pounds (from 2.75 pounds) and dropped the price from $5.49.
The next year, it upgraded to a Grade A chicken. In 2007, it eliminated casein, a binder, to make the chicken allergen-free.
Costco uses a single producer, Pilgrim's Pride, which marinates via injection, trusses and packs 10 birds to a case. The chickens look like pale, plump ghosts as they get threaded onto long rods that fit in ultra-modern, digital-display Inferno 4000 rotisserie ovens. A film of moving water on the oven floor transports dripping grease to a holding tank, to be collected for recycling.
It takes 90 minutes to cook a full load of 32 or so; after an hour, it starts to "smell like Costco chicken," said Tom Borkowski, a deli manager. Temperature is closely monitored.
Unsold birds get pulled after two hours to be chilled, then incorporated into Costco's rotisserie chicken soup, chicken Alfredo, chicken wraps and chicken Caesar salads.
Savvy shoppers know to look for the tiny time-stamp sticker on the bottom part of each propylene box.
The charms of juicy, warm rotisserie chicken fade with a night's refrigeration, of course. The sodium solution infused in the flesh of a raw bird can create pockets of uneven saltiness in a cooked one. White meat can get mealy or stringy.
For best results, let the meat come to room temperature so you can assess texture and seasoning. Bland white meat that's dry might be right for a fruity curried chicken salad, or shredded into a creamy tortilla soup.
A highly spiced bird can hold its own with stir-fried vegetables.
The remnants of a barbecue rub may be pronounced enough to reserve that chicken for pressed sandwiches.
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C A+F Nightlife: I am not really sure however I am going by what I heard
C A+F Campus Dining: It is only open 8am to 2pm and only offers soups and sandwiches. They have some sweets, coffee and tea. the campus is small so the facilities are limited
B A+F Campus Dining: Since this is just a graduate school, there is one cafe.
B A+F Nightlife: I am not really an active participant. That's not the focus at this school
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Tracy Reese
Falling Leaves Peplum Dress
Designer Tracy Reese epitomizes feminine chic with her eponymous collection, Tracy Reese, and her fanciful line, plenty. Bright colors, unusual prints and intricate patterns define both collections, which have been fashion favorites since their inception.
- 82% rayon 18% silk
- Shoulder seam to hem measures approx 38" in length
- Unlined
- Peplum waist
- Exposed back zip closure
- Dry clean only
- Styled with Sam Edelman Marina in Black.
- Styled with gorjana Laurel Bangle in Gold.
- Styled with jewelry x REVOLVE JNB Rosslyn Ring in White Quartz.
- Modeled in size 2. See fit guide for model's dimensions.
- Revolve Style No. TR-WD159
- Manufacturer Style No. 7Z5A67 N98


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