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Ok im not too sure, i set up my first watercooling setup the other day and went with my instinct on the order however ive heard this second setup works better. The kit i used is: -Black Ice 240cm rad -Swiftech Apogee GT -XSPC 12v 10w pump/res (modded to 18w by tigger) -Tygun Tubing and Jubilee clamps My order is: PUMP/RES > CPU BLOCK > DOUBLE RAD What I heard was: PUMP/RES > DOUBLE RAD > CPU BLOCK Atm my temps are: IDLE LOAD These temps good or bad? Lastly what i want to ask is, ive got a spare single rad to slot in the loop somewhere for when i get a good gpu block for my 4870 non reference 1gb. What would the ideal loop setup be for this?
Best order is: Pump-->Rad-->CPU Block-->Res.-->Pump If you are adding another rad + gpu into the loop: Pump-->Rad-->Rad-->CPU Block-->GPU Block-->Res.-->Pump Temps look good.
It really does. I was leak testing without running fans through my radiator and I couldn't believe how warm things were getting.
Ah ill go with that then when i finally do it, you sure that both rads should be next to each other in the loop, wont the water be hot on its journey from cpu to gpu?
Loop order doesn't matter as long as res is before pump, put it in the order that makes the most sense in terms of layout in your case. Loop temps reach equilibrium over time. Only time you'll notice is when you first turn on the system and measure.
Ah i see, i think ill still go with erockers plan though and go res/pump rad, this pump does get rather warm so it might be better to dump off that heat and cool it completely through 2 rads.
Since the radiator cools the water, the water exiting the radiator will always be coolest. You do have a point though, it's most likely not much cooler to make a difference and I usually go with looks, organization of the loop before worrying about one or two degrees.
YES!! Someone who knows. Res before pump and the rest just use the shortest route possible with less tubing possible. Temps out of a rad are maybe .5 degrees at best and no it makes no difference on the rest of the performance. It will not lower your CPU temps any better then the rest of the water. It's a flow and equilibrium thing...
it will matter if your put the rad before the cpu for about 20 minutes until your system reaches equalibrium. I learned that a few months ago, but what does matter is that your cpu block gets a lot of flow so you might see .5C temp differences between the two setups
It doesn't really matter, but the pump does put add a little heat to the system. Maybe enough to raise the temps 1°C, but is that 1°C worth the hassle of re-arranging your setup? My Ideal loop is: Res--> Pump --> Big Rad --> CPU --> NB --> Small Rad --> Video Cards --> Res Usually, I do a 2x120 Radiator hanging off the back of the case, then a smaller 1x120 inside the font of the case where the front fan would go normally. Obviously, this changes depending on what Radiators I actually use in the loop.
And it is certainly not an equalibrium thing, temps do not "reach and equalibrium" in a water cooling loop. The overall temperature of the fluid might rise, however, the whole loop will not be the same temperature. There will be hot and cold spots in the loop. Generally, hot spots being right after the blocks, and cold spots being right after the radiators. However, you can only cool the fluid down so far. Once it reaches ambient temperature, it will not get any cooler. So, if you have a 2x120 radiator, and it is able to cool the fluid down to room temperature before the fluid exits the radiator, then putting a your 1x120 raditor right next to it in the loop is useless, and makes the 1x120 raditor completely wasted. However, if you put the 1x120 radiator between the CPU and GPUs, then the heat from the CPU will be removed from the fluid before it gets to the GPUs. This will give you lower GPU temps. However, if the 2x120 radiator can't remove all the heat from the GPUs before the fluid gets through the radiator, this could lead to higher CPU temps also.
ah i understand, well ive got some ideas for the double rad anyways. im gonna have the fans pulling the air through rather than blowing air through, ive heard that works better, the way my case is modded too allows the rad, res/pump to have there own section that is always filled with cold air, hopefully this will keep the rad below room temp by quite a bit. I have to agree with you on the equilibrium thing, i think that is nonsense too, ofcourse there will be hotspots.
What happened? You were doing so well until this post. The only time it is not an equilibrium thing is when you have the worst flow in the world. That way there is actually time to have these hot spots in the loop. But in real world builds it is not like that and I can prove it on my system as well as I have water temp probes after the blocks and also after my rads. Now I mentioned a .5 degree difference between the blocks and the exit of the rad but that is from a rather large loop....My loop which has 2 pumps, 2 rads, 3870X2 full face GPU bock, SB block, NB block, MOSFET blocks and my CPU block. If you look in the picture of my build you will see wires near my pumps. These temp probes are in place specifically for the purpose of this topic as I wanted to show some people first hand.
I can also prove with relative certainty that it does not matter the loop order unless there is a problem with flow, which I did address in my TERRIBLY WORDED post. Here are the points in bullet: Pumps before the most restrictive block may have some effect on the equalibrium Placing a part before or after the radiator has little bearing on the water temperature Equalibrium is reached and is usually reached best when there are adiquate parts to suit the need.
Binge you know your stuff. Yeah I lost an argument with Vapor on XS awhile back about loop order in which I thought the highest pressure from the pump directly to the CPU would be best and he proved me wrong and that it actually did not matter if it was the rad before the CPU or direct from the pump. It's how everyone learns. It was funny too because I stuck to my guns till the end!
So the fluid leaving the Radiator is the same temp as the fluid entering the raditor? Then what is the point of the raditor? Oh...it is supposed to cool the fluid...but according to you it doesn't... Sorry, it doesn't work that way, the radiator cools the fluid as the fluid passes through it, the exception might be when running extremely low velocity fans or no fans at all, or if the radiator/s are overloaded. If you get to the point where you are getting an equalibrium, you have overloaded your loop.
Don't think you grasped it yet......Water is a great conductor of heat. It picks up very quickly and can also get rid of it quickly in various manners and forms. When in a loop, the water is going relatively quick. It does not have to time to sit inside a rad or a block. It picks up heat and transfers it very quickly. Hence why the lack of a temp difference in a loop. It is only when you have very poor flow or circulation in your loop will you see hot spots and usually by then a hose will blow off or a res will crack. A rad basically cools the whole loop down at the same time because of the way water disperses heat so quickly plus it's flow. You are right it's just the 4th dimensional thinking that is lacking which is time. The fluid might pass through the rad 40 times before it drops a degree when your load goes down.
I want to ask this.. Right now I have rad-res-pump-cpu-rad my block is probably restrictive, an APOGEE GT, would it be best if I switched the two lines on the pump and cause the radiator to be before the CPU?
Shev your CPU isn't very restrictive at all and your loop order is simple and fine. It would do nothing to change the config of your loop.


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Who his audience is and what they like is just another subject Howard constantly makes conflicting statements about. He claims to spend hours agonizing over what his listeners want, then says he only books guests that HE likes because other opinions don't matter.
people too young to know better and elderly people who have hearing loss or are too disabled to get up and change the channel.
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try a podcast people, any podcast, pick one for a week & you will be hooked with real enetertainment.you will forget all about this lame 60yr old woman
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he's ingrained. his voice is soothing like a wave mack-hine.
he'll have to beat me with a stick to drive me away but i do fast forward now which never happened in the past
☃ "There are entire websites dedicated to how ugly my wife is."
I think most or many of us still like the show or what it used to be. We still hope to hear a gem ever now and again.
But mostly we like to talk about what the show used to be and compare it to the show that is today.
Why would you label those who still listen to the show as "morons?"
There is nothing wrong with listening to a show we enjoy and critiquing it.
I would posit that you're an asshole for coming in and expressing your derision for those who still listen. For better or worse...we listen...we like, we hate...we express it here.
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Hong Kong women seek official help with forced eviction in Fujian
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... Johnny Tam email@example.com Two permanent residents allege thugs gave them a thrashing over redevelopment compensation HK women seek official help with eviction in Fujian Two Hong Kong ... prompted by their refusal to accept an offer of compensation over a local government redevelopment project, they said. The attack, they claimed, saw the family evicted from the house in a Fujian ...
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Guangdong plans to boost eastern cities
Posted Sep 01st 2009, 12:00am by Chloe Lai
... of cities. The provincial government also saw opportunities for the eastern cities to promote economic integration between Fujian and Taiwan, as the four cities were geographically and culturally close to Fujian, they said. But they were sceptical on whether the vision could be realised, as the Guangdong government must provide substantial support such as investment projects. 'The ...
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Hongxing aims to beat foreign players in sportswear sector
Posted May 25th 2009, 12:00am by Staff Reporter
... an internationalised image to woo Chinese consumers.' Mainland sportswear makers, including Fujian Peak Group, are grappling with an invasion by big foreign names, as an increasing number of youngsters ... sponsor of the Shanghai ATP Masters 1000 to be held in October. The Fujian-based company reported net profit of 56 million yuan (HK$63.6 million) for the first quarter of this year, down 50.9 per ...
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CR Land buys two sites in Fuzhou for 1.8b yuan
Posted May 30th 2008, 12:00am by Peggy Sito
... Peggy Sito China Resources Land has bought two sites in Fuzhou, the capital of Fujian province, for 1.8 billion yuan (HK$2.02 billion) in an auction without any rival bids, as developers face a credit crunch as a result of Beijing's austerity measures. The two residential-commercial sites in Jinshan district, the new expanded city centre, were withdrawn in the previous ...
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Fragrant dish led them into temptation
Posted Sep 15th 2011, 12:00am
... dishes. Attributed to Min cooking, or cuisine from Fuzhou, Fujian, it contains almost every expensive ingredient in Chinese cookery - abalone, Shiitake mushrooms, sea cucumber, dried scallops ... in the finance bureau is said to have invited Zhou Lian, then vice-governor of Fujian, to his home for dinner. The official's wife, having heard that Zhou was a gourmet, was keen to make ...
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Fujian students on best behaviour for inspectors
Posted May 19th 2011, 12:00am
... University students in Fujian province have been given a new assignment: watch for anyone on campus who might be an official - and treat them with the utmost respect. With government ... manners'. For the past few weeks, students at many universities in Fujian have been banned from typical campus activities such as eating in public and wearing slippers in public. Some students have ...
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The Mini World of Luo Zhenhong
Posted Jul 28th 2008, 12:00am by Staff Reporter
... The Fujian-born sculptor creates mushroom clouds and caricatured figures (above) to explore themes of destruction, commercialism and the loss of individuality. Mon-Sat, 11am-7pm, Contemporary by Angela Li Gallery, G/F, 90-92 Hollywood Rd, Central. Inquiries: 3571 8200. Ends Aug 5 ...
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Rising health food sales boost China Green income 46.8pc
Posted Jan 24th 2008, 12:00am by Staff Reporter
... Green, founded in Fujian province 1998 and listed in Hong Kong six years later, is a key player in the country's merging but still fragmented produce industry. It competes with another Fujian firm, Chaoda Modern Agriculture (Holdings), the mainland's biggest vegetable producer, but lags behind in the scale of farmland expansion. Chaoda plans to expand its present farmland ...
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Tak Shun makes calculated move to lower-cost Henan province
Posted Apr 19th 2005, 12:00am by Toh Han Shih
... Toh Han Shih Consumer electronics firm Tak Shun Technology Group will hire 10,000 workers in Henan province this year as it shifts production from Fujian province as a result of higher ... said. 'It is hard to find workers in Fujian. More factories are moving inland, so the migrant workers are not willing to come to the coastal areas. Also, labour costs in Henan are about ...
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... Foreign minister's visit linked to hostage cases Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing made an unannounced visit to Fuzhou, capital of Fujian province, on Saturday. The Ta Kung Pao newspaper suggested ... and this month came from Fujian. Staff Reporter More than 6,500 leprosy patients reported China had a total of 6,552 leprosy patients by the end of 2003, including 1,411 cases diagnosed during that year, ...
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It will probably be a fun song, but I wish Rocksmith would at least display where string mutes are in a song, it doesn't even have to score them. This shouldn't be above their ability, given that they say on their website they are providing the entire guitar transcriptions in-game.
At this point there is no way they could even do that. Something for RS2 if it's been green lighted
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I don't see why they couldn't, barring any licensing issues about whether they can amend the originally released transcriptions, it's just development work. Even if there are licensing issues about amending the original released content, they are already going to do that with the bass expansion. You might mean that there is no way they would want to do that instead of just sell another game with that feature.


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Visual Impact Muscle Building is a Muscle Building book for men to get the lean Hollywood look. I have come across some of the common questions that people are asking about Rusty Moore's Visual Impact Muscle Building program. Here are answers to some of the questions people are asking.
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I don't live in the USA, can this program still be sent to me?
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The 'Original Patent Troll' is Back With a New NPE VentureCorporate Counsel 2012-09-14 00:00:00.0 Now that he's back in action, Cascades Ventures Inc. founder Anthony Brown has noticed some funny changes in the patent trolling business. For one thing, says Brown, who was once dubbed the "original patent troll," the T-word doesn't get tossed around quite as frequently as it did a decade ago. Instead, the current lingo for companies like Cascades that specialize in securing patent licensing deals (as opposed to making actual products) is the more politically correct "nonpracticing entity" or NPE. What's more, says Brown, the patent licensing business has attracted a crowd. Back in 1998, when the former corporate partner at Jenner & Block launched his first licensing firmTechSearch LLCBrown pretty much had the field to himself, he recalls. Now, he adds, not only are there a host of patent brokers running around, but increasingly, venture capital firms have spotted a profit-making opportunity. The result? A burgeoning new crop of well-financed NPEs have built up their own patent portfolios and joined the hunt for infringers. "It's become a big-money business," says Brown. In 2011 NPEs brought roughly 1,200 suits alleging infringement by more than 5,000 companies, according to the NPE watchdog group Patent Freedom. Indeed, Villanova University patent law professor and NPE expert Michael Risch contends that NPE litigation is now so common that "it's basically seen as a fact of life." The patent enforcement business certainly paid off for Brown. In 2005 he sold TechSearch and parent company Global Patent Holdings to patent licensing giant Acacia Research Group for nearly $27 million in cash and stock. For the next four years, a noncompete agreement kept him on the sidelines. But by early 2010, Brown was back in the game with his newest licensing startupCascades, based in Northbrook, Illinois. Brown, 65, can't help but notice that a few of his current competitors used to be zealous defense counsel who fought against NPE suits. Former patent defense bar stars John Desmarais of Kirkland & Ellis and Matthew Powers of Weil, Gotshal & Manges, for example, each left their law firms to start patent licensing outfits. (Both Desmarais and Powers declined to comment.) Meanwhile, Peter Detkin, formerly an assistant general counsel at Intel Corporation, is now vice-chairman of Bellevue, Washingtonbased Intellectual Ventures, one of the country's largest NPEs. In Detkin's case, Brown and his longtime outside counel Raymond Niro contend that the irony is especially thick, given that back in his in-house days, Detkin was not just one of their fiercest foes. He popularized the term "patent troll" as part of the war of words over an ultimately unsuccessful 1999 infringement suit that TechSearch brought against Intel. "[Detkin] is now one of the biggest trolls around," says Niro of Chicago's Niro Haller & Niro, with a laugh. (Detkin also declined to comment, but through an Intellectual Venture spokeswoman, he confirmed that he was the first to use the "troll" moniker in reference to TechSearch.) Even when he had the field mostly to himself, Brown says, finding the kinds of patents that were a good bet to generate sizable licensing fees wasn't easy. Now that he has more competition, finding lucrative patents will be that much harder. So far, Cascades has a total portfolio of about five dozen patentsless than a third of his inventory at TechSearch. Brown insists he isn't worried. "My plan is to be a boutique, not a factory," Brown declares. By staying small, he says, he's able to give hands-on attention to the inventors whose patents he licenses. That said, Cascades has signaled that it will be just as aggressive on the patent enforcement and litigation front as its bigger peers. Over the past two years, it has sued more than a dozen major retailers and tech companies, alleging that they infringed key Cascades patents related to mobile phone apps. Moreover, Cascades recently escalated the battle against some alleged infringers with a novel antitrust suit that charges that patent aggregator RPX Inc. conspired with Dell Inc., Motorola Mobility Holdings Inc., and three other smartphone makers in an illegal boycott of Cascades's licenses. Still, whether Brown can even come close to matching TechSearch's success (or the $30 million in annual revenue the company and its affiliates generated at their peak) remains to be seen. Even Niro, his longtime lawyer, thinks that Brown's latest licensing venture may not pay off, given all the extra competition. "It's become a much more difficult environment," says Niro. "I think the jury's still out." AFTER ACACIA BOUGHT TECHSearch, Brown took it easy for a few years, with multiple trips to Paris and London as well as to West Africa, where his son ran a teaching program. He also spent time hiking near a second home he owns in Telluride, Colorado. "It was nice. It also got extremely boring," says Brown, who recalls worrying that his "brain was gonna turn to Jello." He says he missed the intellectual charge that he got from working with inventors. He also figured that he still had enough contacts to make another patent-licensing start-up fly. When the noncompete agreement he signed with Acacia expired in 2009, he began gearing up to launch Cascades. The first time Brown got into the licensing businessfollowing a suggestion from a former tech company client at Jenner & Blockhe turned to family and friends to raise the financing he needed to acquire his first patent portfolio and start TechSearch. But this time around, he's drawing on his personal funds. Brown, who is Cascades's only full-time employee, won't say how much he's put in so far, though he notes that rather than buying patents outright, he acquires exclusive licensing rights from patent holders, and splits the proceeds from the licensing deals that he strikes with them. He also doesn't pay out of pocket for legal fees, since Niro Haller and Chicago's Flachsbart & Greenspoon (Brown's other go-to law firm) typically handle Cascades's matters on contingency. Not that Brown's current caseload is anywhere near what it was in his TechSearch days. By the time of the sale to Acacia, Brown had amassed nearly three dozen different patent portfolios containing some 200 patentsand he and Niro had become well-known for dragging alleged infringers to court. TechSearch definitely drew the defense bar's ire for the zealous enforcement campaign it mounted on behalf of one of its most infamous patentsthe Remote Query Communication System (RQCS) patent, which issued in 1993 and covered the digital decompression process that enables the sharing of photo files. It also happened to be a technology that virtually every website in the world used (and still uses). When TechSearch's initial licensing demand letters went out in 1999, lawyers for the targeted companies railed that the patent was absurdly broad, and claimed that TechSearch was basically engaged in extortion. The criticism didn't deter TechSearch. By the time the firm and its lawyers were done, roughly three dozen companiesincluding Walgreen Co., United Air Lines Corporation, Caterpillar Inc., and Sears, Roebuck & Co.were hit with infringement suits. At least four dozen companies ultimately surrendered to TechSearch's demand that they buy licenses for the RQCS patent. In the end, according to Brown, TechSearch collected about $5 million in settlements or licensing fees. "It was a racket," maintains Gregory Aharonian, publisher of the digital newsletter Internet Patent News, which issued some of the most scathing critiques of the RQCS patent. Aharonian says that he too wound up getting slapped with a TechSearch suit (later dismissed) alleging that his website infringed the patent. "It was a crap patent, and I insulted it, so they shut me up," says Aharonian. Brown, who calls the RQCS patent "visionary," refuses to apologize for that patent or any other in TechSearch's inventory. In his view the inventors he represents have every right to licensing fees. And he contends that he's performing a valuable service by helping them collect. "No one said to Thomas Edison that he couldn't get royalties for light bulbs," says Brown. "That's the way the patent system works. Otherwise, what's the point?" SO FAR, BROWN'S MAIN SUCCESS story at Cascades has been a pair of software patents developed by Boston-based entrepreneur Steve Gold, which cover a smartphone app that allows users to locate nearby retailers. Following the drill that he devised at TechSearch, Brown and his lawyers at Flaschbart & Greenspoon began identifying retailers that had developed store-mapping apps that Cascades believed were infringing Gold's software. And by early 2011, letters were in the mail demanding that those retailers pay up to $250,000 for a five-year license for the privilege of using Gold's invention. When the letter's recipients failed to meet those demands, Cascades began bringing suits. At press time seven companiesincluding Walgreen, Limited Brands Inc., Best Buy Co. Inc., and Exxon Mobil Corporationhad agreed to settlements. The remaining holdout was TravelCenters of America LLC, which filed for a declaratory judgment of noninfringement in August 2011. (Alan Fisch of Kaye Scholer, who is representing TravelCenters, declined to comment.) Brown, though declining to provide a specific dollar amount for the settlements, seems pleased enough with Cascades's take so far. "We've been able to generate some momentum," he says. Gold says he's thrilled with Brown's efforts: "He's done exactly what he promised he would do." BROWN ALSO HAS HIGH HOPES for more than three dozen patents that he's handling on behalf of Russian supercomputing pioneer Boris Babaian and his Moscow-based software company Elbrus International. Among the most promising is the so-called '750 patent, which covers an invention that makes it easier to install and use apps on Google's now ubiquitous Android mobile phone operating system. That patent is at the center of the antitrust case filed by Niro Haller in the Northern District of California this past March against RPX and smartphone makers Dell, Motorola, Samsung Electronics Co., HTC Corporation, and LG Electronics Inc. As one of a new breed of "defensive patent aggregators," RPX acquires patents and licenses that it then shares for a fee with a network of roughly 100 member companies. In its complaint, Cascades claimed that RPX approached it about a potential licensing deal in 2010, and that the two parties eventually came close to striking a "high-seven-figure" deal for rights to the '750 patent, along with the rest of Cascades's patent portfolio. Given that Cascades was claiming that five of RPX's membersDell, Motorola, Samsung, HTC, and LGwere infringing the '750 patent, a licensing deal seemed to make sense. According to Cascades's complaint, however, at least one of RPX's members refused to fund the deal, and in late 2011 RPX withdrew from the negotiations. In the ensuing months, Cascades's lawyers at Niro Haller then tried to secure individual licensing agreements with each of the five smartphone makers, but that effort went nowherethanks to what Cascades claims was a group decision to boycott its licensing offers, in violation of federal and state antitrust laws. Neither RPX nor lead defense counsel Alfred Pfeiffer of Latham & Watkins would comment for this article. But in a motion to dismiss filed in May, RPX called Cascades's allegations "nonsensical" and "implausible," and denied that there was any orchestrated boycott. RPX said that its members rebuffed Cascades's licensing efforts for a simple reason: Cascades was asking for too much money. Dell and Motorola have also filed separate motions to dismiss. (Winston & Strawn's Jonathan Retsky, who represents both companies, also declined to comment.) At a July 10 hearing in Oakland, U.S. District Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rodriguez expressed serious doubts about Cascades's case. "I don't see a sufficiently identified market [for the antitrust claim], I don't see injury to competitors," she told Niro Haller lawyer Daniel Ferri. Still, Gonzalez Rodriguez also said she's likely to grant Cascades leave to amend the complaint. "We view it as a positive," insists Niro, who says that the Cascades legal team will now be able to fix the complaint, so the case can in fact move forward. On a parallel front, Cascades is continuing to pursuing separate infringement claims against the five smartphone makers named in the antitrust suit, as well as four other smartphone manufacturers that it contends are violating the '750 patent. Brown says there are likely more Babaian-related suits to come, though he adds that Cascades doesn't send out licensing fee demands to just anybody. "We don't just shoot letters out," he says. "We do a lot of research to make sure that we have a reasonable basis for asserting a patent." IN THE MEANTIME, BROWN IS TRYing to build up Cascades's inventory. He's particularly excited about a group of video streamingrelated patents that he recently took on for three Italian inventors. The patents, among other things, enable Internet users to watch live sports or music events from multiple angles. "We're currently putting together our licensing strategy," says Brown, who believes those patents will almost certainly produce substantial fees. Niro, for his part, contends that Cascades still needs to scale up dramatically if Brown hopes to get any real return. "If you're going to engage in this fight, you're better off with scale," he says. Especially, adds Niro, since many judges have bought into defense-side propaganda about the evils of trolls and become more hostile to infringement claims. Brown agrees that he's facing some tough challenges. Still, though declining to provide specifics on revenue or profits, he contends that Cascades is "doing okay," and says that he expects to grow the company at a steady pace, while continuing to be choosy about the patents he handles. Though he'd certainly like to make money, Brown says, this time around he's more interested in working with inventors he likes and respectsand helping them get their due. "I like representing the underdog," says Brown. If some find his legal tactics too aggressive, he says that bringing infringers to court is often the only way to get them to pay. 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Why not? You can lock the screen while you're away. Nobody can do anything there while you're connected because you'll see that. And you can lock the screen again before disconnecting.
Remote desktop vs. remote display
Posted Feb 14, 2013 17:10 UTC (Thu) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
Khim is right - Windows does this use-case just right. It's streamlined and easy.
On X11 with its vaunted "network transparency" it's simply not possible without bending over backwards.
Posted Feb 14, 2013 17:54 UTC (Thu) by Serge (guest, #84957) [Link]
Well, you can't protect from that even being near your desktop, since somebody might be looking above your shoulder. Or somebody could hide a small camera in a pen near you.
But in case of X.Org you have a killing feature: you can remotely turn your monitor off! :)
> Windows does this use-case just right. It's streamlined and easy.
Yeah. You need to enable remote desktop, configure access to it, and set up your firewall. Or you may google and install some third party software and configure it instead. It's so much harder with X.Org where you only need ssh and 2 commands to reach your remote desktop. ;)
Posted Feb 14, 2013 17:58 UTC (Thu) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]
FUD, plain and simply. You enable the Remote Desktop and it's ready to be used from other Win machine. What it DOES is lock out any local user while you are using your machine remotely, and that is why it is posited in this thread -- rightfully so -- as more secure.
Posted Feb 14, 2013 22:18 UTC (Thu) by Serge (guest, #84957) [Link]
> FUD, plain and simply. You enable the Remote Desktop and it's ready to be used from other Win machine. What it DOES is lock out any local user while you are using your machine remotely, and that is why it is posited in this thread -- rightfully so -- as more secure.
Uhm. Are we still talking about?:
>>> I've locked my workstation and went home without logging out, I need to access my programs somehow. And the second most common is to share your desktop with tech support guy, obviously.
I guess you assume that user works under local administrator in office, and does not use any third-party firewalls like outpost/comodo or some firewall built into installed antivirus.
Posted Feb 14, 2013 22:42 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]
I'm yet to see an office which allows installation of third-party firewalls. Except for small business, but in this case user usually is, indeed, an admin and can do whatever s/he wants.
If it's something larger then mom-and-pop shop then there will be firewall, antivirus and may be even Parity, but of course the firewalls installed by winops will support WRA. And you don't need to be an admin to use this feature.
I think you are confused. Two usecases cited above are, indeed, the most common usecases - but while they both use RDP as core protocol they have totally different activation sequences and totally different UI. The only thing they share is the ability to start using them without any preparation in this particular session (you need to change OS settings to enable these, of course, but these can be pushed using via Active Directory - and it's true for any remote access protocol; they all need some kind of initial setup).
Posted Feb 15, 2013 11:15 UTC (Fri) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167) [Link]
Here's the _reality_, some of this is paraphrased because I wasn't aware that it would be hilarious enough to be worth recording until some way through the process, and my responses (mostly "OK") are elided. It happened to me _yesterday_ but it could be anybody, and any day, of any week in corporations everywhere.
"Hi, I need you to log into your computer, then go to some3rdpartywebsite.com and enter this eight digit code: 12345678"
"Yes, just click through all the security prompts and choose Run"
"OK, I have control of the computer now. You can probably see things moving. Hello."
"I wasn't able to get access to do the task I was assigned. I will talk to my supervisor"
"Sorry, I am not able to complete the task, I am refused permission to download the software. I will have the ticket re-assigned"
That's a _massive_ global corporation, with both ends using Microsoft Windows, trying to install a program, which ought to be centrally provisioned but of course that doesn't work. Notice that they invoke a third party solution, they end up violating a lot of security principles and still they can't get it to work. In the process they aren't able to take control without leaving the desktop unlocked, and they have no clue what they're doing when they're in.
THAT is the reality on the ground, what you're talking about is every bit as much the theory that doesn't translate into practice as what was discussed above about remoting X applications. RDP could work, it's possible to see how on paper it has potential advantages, but it's erroneous to suggest that it's actually out there solving the problem in these big corporate systems.
I do use RDP, in another aspect of my job I have to connect to a remote facility where (we were told) access to the servers is via SSH. What we weren't told was that they're inside a corporate firewall that our contact hasn't got permission to change. So to "SSH" into these machines I connect to an RDP system where I only have permission to run Putty. This clumsy, error-prone solution makes every occasion when we must access those systems a trial.
Posted Feb 14, 2013 18:00 UTC (Thu) by hummassa (subscriber, #307) [Link]
Can you be sure it stayed off?
Posted Feb 14, 2013 19:55 UTC (Thu) by Serge (guest, #84957) [Link]
Yes, why not?
Posted Feb 14, 2013 20:59 UTC (Thu) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
Posted Feb 14, 2013 21:22 UTC (Thu) by Serge (guest, #84957) [Link]
There may be other options, but I was thinking about: xrandr --output XXX --off
> And how are you going to turn it back on once you return next day?
Same: xrandr --output XXX --auto
I can do that remotely before leaving my ssh session.
Posted Feb 14, 2013 21:25 UTC (Thu) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]
> I can do that remotely before leaving my ssh session. In other words "you can't".
Posted Feb 14, 2013 22:17 UTC (Thu) by Serge (guest, #84957) [Link]
Tried. It does. What does not work for you?
> In other words "you can't".
I just did. :)
Posted Feb 15, 2013 13:25 UTC (Fri) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
Different VNC implementations support different features and there can be a vast difference in performance.
Posted Feb 15, 2013 20:19 UTC (Fri) by Serge (guest, #84957) [Link]
It does not matter. Shell supports xrandr. If I initially used ssh to get VNC, I can run xrandr over the same ssh session. Or I can open xterm after I connected to VNC and run xrandr there.
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§ 35.03-20
Shipboard inspections—TB/ALL.
Each work vest shall be subject to examination by a marine inspector to determine its serviceability. If found to be satisfactory, it may be continued in service, but shall not be stamped by a marine inspector with a Coast Guard stamp. If a work vest is found not to be in a serviceable condition, then such work vest shall be removed from the vessel. If a work vest is beyond repair, it shall be destroyed or mutilated in the presence of a marine inspector so as to prevent its continued use as a work vest.
Title 46 published on 2012-10-01
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Executive Order ... 12234