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Connection Size | .5 |
Connection Type | NPSM |
Flow Rate (GPM) | 2, 2.5 |
Handshower | Single Function |
Height | 9 |
Hose Included | Yes |
Material | Brass |
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9 Questions from the Community
Are the mounting brackets plastic?
Is a bracket to hold it when not in use included? I am not getting the vertical bar
Do I also need to buy the Danze D560858 diverter trim and valve to go with this?
why does it say the flow rate is 2 and 2.5?
Is there a part that can be removed to increase the water pressure?? Saving water is not a priority but more pressure is.
can i attach this to a kohler brand shower head. and would i need to get a shower arm diverter too.
If using an internal diverter do I need to purchase the D560858 and a trim piece to finish the area where the hose comes out of the wall?
Is it possible to buy a bar and slider for this Showerstick? I already have the Showerstick, but need to mount it to the wall since my showerhead is in the ceiling.
I am looking to add this hand held to D500558. Is there anything I need to purchase for these to function together or are all parts included?
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Showerstick Single Function Hand Shower with Hose and Shower Arm Mount
Good but not great
Like the title says, this is a good product but not great. Very nice looking.
March 2, 2010
Smart Buy - Highly Recommned DANZE
This is a really nice hand-held. Being used to powerful showerheads, my husband & I both were amazed at how enjoyable this showerstick is. We are using it primarily while we remodeling both bathrooms!
Note: The Danze line of fixtures are really well made. I highly recommend any of their products. We've purchased two styles of their showerheads, one with this attachment. Several towel bars, TP holder and Robe Hook. - I'll be back for faucets when I'm ready!!!
September 4, 2009
Excellent product as usual from Danze
Great device and complement to DanzeParma shower fixtures. Simple, elegant, architectural and timeless design. Quality through and through. Functions beautifully and installs easily. Great service, pricing and delivery as always from FaucetDirect. This is a no-brainer purchase from FaucetDirect.
August 30, 2009
as expected
very attractive and works. what more do you need?
June 14, 2009
single function shower stick
haven't got it installed yet, but the quality of the assembly and finish look great. nice 90-degree "ball valve" type diverter.
August 6, 2008
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-- holiday sales are talking about holiday shopping today a big reason FedEx is doing well today officially kicks off the holiday shopping season.
So here with a look at this year's hottest toys for your kids or grandkids.
Is trade botch trained by senior editor for retail -- not -- thanks for coming on the show today -- really appreciate it.
I'm gonna get to these toys in just -- -- but or let's talk about.
Or in the real world.
Either way Toys 'R' Us target -- -- they have in store option in the online -- those of the two big retailers for toys so either -- whatever prices -- -- and -- place yeah I mean what's happening now there's sort of this -- channel approach for retailers have an online arm in the sales are are pretty well you know across the board pretty even so whatever works for you what you like some people like to touch and feel sometimes people like to sit home their pajamas -- depends on what.
You like everyone until I get well I -- -- -- there's -- Fergie here and there's that power ranger and I -- It's like 1985 all over again what's going on here with the hottest toys in and what is it about these toys and makes them so popular it's -- -- retro and in this.
Happening across the board with toys I was shocked to see how many we're making a resurgence and even.
You know here we have this Atari game which plays with your iPad so here you are with this modern device -- -- playing an old school guest -- that.
Defer -- Cabbage Patch Kids.
And Power Rangers teenage mutant ninja turtles are all making -- think it's something that.
It's you know missed all that we wanna go back and visit our own childhoods we're buying things for our cats what I wondered is -- -- more about mom and dad.
That is about -- yeah I'm likely but all these things and I was a candidate sort of it's fun to have them here again.
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About tech gaps for that -- The defense is really important people could really save a lot of money if they do a little planning if they have good information.
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Can -- scan it in store.
Sometimes you can it depends the technology is just making its way and so most of the stores are getting up to speed on that so but it won't be a 100% now you have your -- -- right now the retail -- not -- at -- yes we tell me not dot -- happen is for when you're out about shopping you're looking for coupons a lot of them are are in store that you can -- right there at the register.
We have a brand new iPhone -- that -- really excited about because when you walk into your favorite mall.
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You know they may say old -- 30% -- you can use it right at the -- so that's pretty cool you're you're very well informed by your shopping about -- -- that's another went out there yeah also coupons.
No -- -- it's actually computer -- that it helps organize your gift ideas of shopping ideas you can.
Share your little clip boards with specific items with friends by social media he.
You can also set a high -- so it's a great way to be informed shopper and it's right at home on your desktop I love those -- out -- over prices here for a second so the Kirby.
It's now 54 dollars -- it wasn't that much that I share it was not yeah I was a little shocked at the price but he has a lot more bells and whistles now he dances he talks C.
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-- -- -- -- I can -- quiet at the moment.
I'm but you know yet the prices there because the technology has eyes are LEDs and he can actually track -- around the rooms and he does the lobby where -- out.
Eternal is twelve -- nine to thirteen bucks.
I think you don't have a lot of money in your budget for the toys yeah it makes big impact right yeah and that in the kids love the -- they're watching on TV as well -- collecting them they're playing with their friends so that's a really inexpensive ones now the Atari you have to bring your Ryan.
-- -- iPad but it's sixty bucks so yeah most expensive thing here yeah I was shocked at the cabbage patch doll almost 45 dollars.
Yes exactly this is a new baby lines they have lots of different babies available but I think you know.
It's gonna cause that same kind collecting -- again that happened to us when we're younger so you know it's it's interesting that these are all coming back and and making a play for the towards again -- -- the last word here figure out there in your shopping for -- heads what what do you what do you need to know with the best bit of advice you give us.
Just in for consumers in general never take a price at face value.
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The quadcopter is fully specified with all the necessary mechanical and aerodynamic parameters. So the analytical calculations are true to the physical model of an actual quadcopter. They are not general for some abstract quadcopter, they are specific to a particular make and model.
I consider the analytical simulation quite primitive and has room for much improvement. The first derivatives are treated as moving averages of second derivative differentials. The time resolution is 1/1000 s, for 3 seconds of flight which is a take-off from the ground.
The output is a tabular ASCII file made from first and second partial derivatives of the Roll, Pitch, Yaw and X, Y, Z (with regards to time) and their corresponding values. The orientation of the copter in the interactive animation is true to the analytics.
Easily turbulence, noise and off-balance forces can be added.
These files can be used to test and train NN control systems for Arducopter.
Hello Dara,
Thanks for you info... I am currently developping a Neural Network Controller for the APM based on Adaptative Neural Networks, (no PID here), its begins to work, see below:
At this moment, I need to find how to get more heap space for the neural network memory, because the APM heap is full (8k only..)
Stay Tuned,
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Which code base are you using? I am writing my own test routines from the NN controller papers posted earlier. These are not for production purposes but for me to learn how to NN for control systems.
Could u kindly keep me posted with the system issues for the APM board like the heap issue.
Great work, and I happy to see we are moving forward
Hello Dara,
You may download the alpha version of my Neural Network Controller v1.0c for ArduPilotMega HERE. This is a very alpha version under developpment This is a Kohonen's neural network which 3 layers, 2 inputs and 1 output. At this moment I test this by using the pole balancing problem which is a very unstable device and very close to a quadcopter...
The code works well on the ArduMega v1.4 but, due to the limited size of the Heap (8k), I am not able to use the full neural network setup (a 25x25 matrix). At this moment, the firmware is limited to a 15x17 matrix...
So, this why I need to find a mean to get more memory. I think that with the full memory this auto-adaptive network can be soon tested with the ArduPilot Mega and its IMU... If you find some means to increase and/extend the heap size they are welcome...
Stay tuned,
Here an interesting paper which describe well the Pole Balancing Problem:
A Neural Network Pole Balancer that Learns and Operates on a Real Robot in Real Time
by Dean Hougen, John Fischer, Deva Johnam - Artificial Intelligence, Robotics, and Vision Laboratory Department of Computer and Information Sciences - University of Minnesota
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This pole balancing code can be modified to train the arducopter to fly in small indoor rooms. the turbulence off the walls and floor can be offset by the same learning NN after a few trials.
Dear Jean-Louis
I shall give it a good study.
I keep getting .pde files from you, as opposed to .cpp , I cannot open them on IMAC, could u show me how to open them on IMAC properly?
I figured it out.... no worries
Dear Jean-Louis
Net->KohonenLayer->Output = (double*) calloc(C, sizeof(double));
Why do you need to use double, could we use integers or even short, then all the way at the end divide by a normalization factor.
I am not sure these NN required double precision, but I will check some more. If you can reduce the double to smaller number you should be ok
Ok, why not, this will save memory space... The NNcontroller need 25x25 matrix for working well...
if calloc and malloc use the heap there is no guarantee of continuity of allocation i.e. there will be dead areas of unallocated memory between the allocations.
In the case of this code and APM, may I suggest we write our own allocation routine, that upfront allocates a large area and we calculate the addresses for the matrices we need manually.
I forgot to mention, maybe APM board should be used for what it does now, and for NN control another board with more resources can be coupled to the APM board.
One way or the other this going to happen, if the NN control becomes a serious endeavour.
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It's being reported that the RNC was considering using Rush and other rightwing radio hosts to host their primary debates—like there aren't already enough lunatics on the stage whenever there's a GOP primary debate.
Rush said
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Help me please, I am having secong thoughts. I am 26, he is 27 and a great hard working man. We dated for one year in a half before I started to put the pressure on him. We've been living together for about 2 years. We got engaged in March 2006, after I basically said either we get engaged or we stop living together. I was not going to break up with him, I just thought that it was time for us to live apart, but instead of moving he proposes. I was happy for about the first two months, now I am scared and unsure if this is the man I should be marrying. We get along great, he's funny, and he thinks I'm funny, we talk out our arguements and problems, But I'm still not sure if he is the one. Please help, how do you know, I don't want to hurt him, but I think about this almost everyday. We would make great life long friends but I am so unsure if he matches my future goals and ambitions. Please help! I don't want to be old and still single. Message was edited by dtm1980 on Jun 28, 2006 10:34 PM
I know I don't know you and I can't tell how you and your fiance are together. But let me say from your post what I think.
I understand being scared. I think it is completely natural. With that said, there is a LOT of things in your post and, not in your post, that lead me to believe you REALLY need to sit down and talk to your fiance.
First of all, nowhere in the post do you mention that you love him. Do you love him? It sounds more like you are talking about a friend rather than the man you want to spend the rest of your life with.
Second, it sounds like you think that marriage is something that you SHOULD be doing at this point in your life. Yes, other friends your age are probably getting married now and you migt feel like this is the time to do it. However, if you don't have love, passion, or mutual respect for each other, you most likely will not be happy anyway.
You also said that you put pressure on him to get married. You two need to sit down and see if this is something you BOTH really want to do, or if you are just afraid of change, being alone, or losing each other.
I hope you make the decision that is right for you.
Thanks Becky, your right, I do need to talk to him. I do love him and I am not just scared I am terrified. I always ask advice from older people who are married and who have been married. Many do suggest marrying your best friend and he is. And I do have love for him but I have been in love before and I am not sure if it was different because I was younger or am I expecting it to always feel the same. Is it possible for a man to someday grow into the person you hoped he would be?Help I'm having second thoughts. I'm 26, he is 27,He is a great man, he works hard, and he makes me laugh and he thinks I am funny. We have only dated for one year and a half, before I started to put on the pressure. I never said that I would break up with him, but I suggested that we not live together if we were not married. So instead of moving out he proposed. I was happy, but now I am unsure, I am scared I don't think this is something I want to do but I don't want to hurt him. After all it was all my idea, I just didn't think he would actually do it. Please help how do you really know, how can you tell what does it feel like? I don't want to be old and still single.
Hi Dtm
I felt the same way dtm... but i really thought about it... I'm 27 going on 28. I sat and thought about my feels and cant imagine my life without him. Who will I talk to about EVERYTHING and feel comfortable... I have my best friends yes... but the relationship is so different with my FH. We were together 5 years before he proposed. You also have to think about, if you didnt put the pressure on him to marry you would he have done it and would you have 2nd thoughts? Maybe your feeling guilty about the situation. Its a really scary thing, its a permanent thing! Can you see him as the father of your children, can you see each other sitting on porch when your old. Can you see him as the only person that will bring sexual pleasure?
And ask yourself - Do you want it with him? Did you pressure him to propose because you were living together and felt you should be engaged to show face? So people wont look bad at you? Alot of people get engaged just to do it so people don't think of them bad.
Marriage is a unity of 2 people You and your Man...
not everyone else.
Thanks Mariam,
I really appreciate all of you caring advice. I do think that I was feeling a little guilty about pressuring him and I have decided to wait to 2008 before we get married. I think that if we are going to be together we will be together reguardless, and a little time will not hurt. It will only help. Thanks
Hi, Second Thoughts-- I am a reporter and i am doing a story on people who get engaged at a young age and have second thoughts. would you be willing to talk to me about your situation?
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I think you put to much pressure on him. And now that he has proposed to you, your a little scared. I think you should just talk to him and tell him how you feel and still stay engaged but take it slow. When you take it slow everything works out for the best.
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True Chemistry
New CD and new energy for a band as big as its name
When I sat down with Andrea Kyle and her band, The Big O Show last summer, the band had just settled into its current configuration and was already starting to turn heads. A few prime gigs at The Colony and the support of local musicians like Brad James certainly helped, but it was obvious from the start that this was an incredibly talented ensemble and there was something special in the interplay between its members.
Just over a year later, The Big O has grown by leaps and bounds. Centered on Kyle's songs and vision, she is still very clearly the leader, but it's also a very symbiotic relationship, allowing each member play to individual strengths. When you see the band live, the grooves are tighter and the extended jams are more directed, yet loose and comfortable at the same time.
At this point, the band even has a new, self-titled CD ready for release. I was actually fortunate enough to get a preview in May and have had a chance to digest and process it over a long, smoldering summer. Perhaps that's fitting, as it as the kind of album that's best absorbed sitting on the patio, relaxing with a cold drink and a warm evening breeze.
Much like The Big O itself, however, the disc is not only a snapshot of the band at the time of its recording, but an indicator of its potential. While it's relaxing and enjoyable, it also makes you look forward to what's next, as it's obvious these songs are just beginning to delve into the talent within this group.
When discussing the CD and The Big O's development with the band last week, Andrea Kyle shared the same sentiment, saying, "It's good to have a solid lineup and know the talents of everyone around me. It's great to know what I have to work with. Needless to say, I like the songs on this CD, but I feel like the songs that we've written since that will be on the next CD are even better."
On one hand, it's hard to imagine something more smooth and funky than the groove that saturates "These Perpetual Blues," but even in sitting down with the band, it's clear that everyone has become more comfortable with each other on personal as well as professional/musical level, which is already starting to translate within performance and writing.
With this Friday night's CD release party at The Colony, Kyle and company have one foot planted in the group's foundation and past, with an eye focused squarely on the future. In a move that reflects the band's confidence and comfort level, The Big O will open the night with a set at 9pm, followed by a set by Brad James Band (The two groups share a handful of common members), then close out the evening with yet another Big O Show set. Perhaps more interestingly, however, that opening set will begin with an acoustic duo performance with Andrea Kyle and Dylan Layton, which gives a nod the band's origins.
Kyle shared that when she was first breaking into the local music scene, she started out playing acoustic shows with Layton and invited Rocky Frisco out to once of their first gigs. "Of course, I sucked," she said with a chuckle, "but Rocky was really supportive. I've always had this special affinity with him and I figured if he liked me, I must not suck that bad."
In a nod to those beginnings, Kyle and Layton are planning to open the evening with Frisco's "I've Got the Blues for You" as a duo. "I just thought it would be kind of cool to go back to the duo days with a song by someone who brought me in," Kyle said.
When reflecting on the early days of the group and playing acoustic sets, Layton shared that "The duo environment was a real learning experience for both of us."
"Yeah, when I'd mess up, he would glance down and glare at me over his glasses," Kyle shared. "So each time, I'd want to do better and get less glares."
"That's really key to this Rocky song," she continued. "It's got like 20 changes in it, so we'll see who will glare at the other one first."
More than a nod to the past, a Big O Show performance is also a step towards the future. Even over the past year, everything about the band has developed, with the rhythm section tightening up and finding its "zone" and even the addition of backing vocals by percussionist Kristin Ruyle.
Ruyle's vocals are a natural extension of the band's sound, but took some time to evolve. Bassist Andy Jensen shared that nearly every rehearsal, Kyle would prod Ruyle, telling her "you're going to sing the background harmonies" and always get a cool response. "Then, one night we came to practice and she started singing and we were all like 'Whoa -- where's that come from?' They had already broken off together and worked out the harmony vocals separately and it sounded great."
When discussing the vocal aspect and if it proved difficult while playing drums and percussion, she shared that her background is actually in traditional African music. "The percussionist is actually the lead voice in African music; so luckily, I had already done a lot of singing. It's definitely a challenge, though, because of the harmonies that she's throwing at me, which I'm not used to singing."
Although the band has group rehearsals on a weekly basis, it's not uncommon for the members to get together separately to work out their parts. "We do sectionals, where Mike and Kristin and I will get together and tear everything apart, piece by piece," Jensen shared. As a result, not only are the songs tighter, but so is the band chemistry.
What's has developed the most over the past year, however, is the chemistry within The Big O Show and how the members interact musically. Drummer Mike Back shared that "Everyone is pretty open to learning their parts and paying what works for everyone, not just what they might want to do."
"Everyone has learned to listen and actively listen to each other and if working on playing as a unit," Jensen added.
"I approach this band very differently (than his other project, Dachsund), in that I play very minimalist parts," he continued. "I still try to be musical, but with the percussion and vocal harmonies, less is more. It's not necessarily about what you want to do, but what works for the song.
When discussing the direction of the band, one thing is clear: All of the members are excited about where The Big O Show is going and how the band is continuing to evolve.
Dylan Layton probably said it best for everyone when he shared that "I like that it's all still undefined. We may play something and I think 'This will push us in a different direction', but that's the coolest part: our sound can go in any direction."
That's exactly why Big O Show is so intriguing right now and why the band continues to grow and evolve with each show. Your next chance to get both a snapshot of where the band is now and a glimpse into the future will be this Friday night, August 31, at The Colony. Cover is only $5 at the door with music starting at 9pm and copies of the new CD (and new band shirts) available at the show.
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Alicia* has been out of college for three years, and by most measures, shes doing great: She has a good job as a consultant, a high-rise condo, and a boyfriend her friends envy. But in one disquieting way, she has not been able to leave her college self behind. She is haunted by the memory of something that occurred one night years ago a sexual encounter and an unanswered question:
Was I raped?
This is what happened: Alicia had asked another student, Kevin, to be her platonic date at a college sorority formal. The two of them went out for dinner first with friends and then to the dance. She remembers that they got drunk but not what she would call sloppy wasted.
After the dance, they went to Kevins room and, eventually, started making out. She told him flat out that she didnt want it to proceed to sex, and he said okay. But in a few minutes, he had pushed her down on the couch and positioned himself on top of her.
No. Stop, she said softly too softly, she later told herself. When he ignored her and entered her anyway, she tensed up and tried to go numb until it was over. He fell asleep afterward, and she left for her dorm, having this dirty feeling of not knowing what to do or who to tell or whether it was my fault. While it felt like rape to her she had not wanted to have sex with Kevin she was not sure if thats what anyone else would call it.
It fell into a gray area, she said recently. Maybe I wasnt forceful enough in saying I didnt want it. Even today, she is reluctant to call it rape because she thinks of herself as a strong and sexually independent woman, not a victim.
Alicias gray area experience is something that is becoming so common, it has earned its own moniker: gray rape. It refers to sex that falls somewhere between consent and denial and is even more confusing than date rape because often both parties are unsure of who wanted what.
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So why not mix the usefulness of the chain with the efficiency of muscle-power! Well, a small company called Green Mountain Products is selling just such a device. Unfortunately I can't figure out where to buy them...it looks like Green Mountain Products is only selling wholesale. This isn't going to be the fastest way to cut down a tree, and I would be a little bit afraid of cutting a falling limb from directly below, but there's almost certainly no better option for emissions-free tree trimming.
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written by rob, July 26, 2007
written by rob, July 26, 2007
Another eco method of tree felling, is to keep a domesticated beaver. Of course they prefer to cut down the whole tree, as their legs are a bit short for climbing.
However throwing them up into the tree does work.....
However throwing them up into the tree does work.....
Hand Powered Chain Saw
written by mike, July 26, 2007
written by mike, July 26, 2007
you can find this product on amazon.com
written by Dan Berlyoung, July 26, 2007
written by Dan Berlyoung, July 26, 2007
You can also get it at Sears. At least I bought one just like this a few years ago there. Works great for limbs that are out of reach but under about 25'.
written by Brian, July 26, 2007
written by Brian, July 26, 2007
This is a good idea. However, I don't feel its very safe to stand under the limb you are cutting off, as the man in the top right picture is doing. Maybe this should be used after the limb is removed from the tree since that is when the majority of the cutting will be done.
written by zgrav, July 26, 2007
written by zgrav, July 26, 2007
it's easy enough to find companies selling this item using google. even Amazon is carrying both the home version and the professional version.
written by Herno, July 30, 2007
written by Herno, July 30, 2007
brian: just don´t stand underneath, take two steps to the side and that´s it.
written by Tamare, August 01, 2007
written by Tamare, August 01, 2007
I would suggest a ladder above the target limb, that way your not in the danger zone.
Tamare E.
Tamare E.
written by Robert Selter, March 17, 2008
written by Robert Selter, March 17, 2008
I have been using this saw for two years and just ordered another. I have added rope to the saw and cut as high as 100' by using a casting rod with 90# test line and teardrop sinker and casing over limbs. I then fasten the saw rope to the line when removing sinker so as to pull saw rope over limbs.
Manual Chain Saw Stuck
written by Alan, April 20, 2009
written by Alan, April 20, 2009
I was using my handy manual chain saw to saw a branch (I used a slingshot a weight and a casting rod to get my saw over the branc). The problem is this: I started sawing, then the rope broke. No problem getting the saw out, just pulled it through the cut. I repaired the rope and got the saw back over the branch. Before I knew what happened, the saw was back into the old cut (50% through a 6 inch branch). The problem is that the teeth are facing the wrong way and the rope prevents the saw from being drawn back through so I can flip it. I wish there were teeth on both sides of the saw. I am now reduced to trying to wear through the brach with friction and hoping the rope will eventually break again so I can draw the blade back through the cut. Any ideas on getting my saw back down?
Manual Chain Saw Stuck...4 Alan
written by Michael, June 04, 2009
written by Michael, June 04, 2009
Didnt know they made these...for years all I have done is to take a chainsaw chain, two lengths of rope, fishing line with a weight to pull up the rope. Best done with two men and adjustable handles (broomstick)....Safe? maybe, maybe not..Darwin will always get his cut...The biggest reason for binding is the weight of tree pinches chain...use another rope to pull cut apart...I have cut branches greater than 12" doing it that way. Obviously I am still alive to tell about it...
good luck
good luck
great for camping
written by J-Mac, April 25, 2010
written by J-Mac, April 25, 2010
The chainsaw blabe is great for backpacking. while you are walking along just wip this out, wrap it around the tree, and saw. It weigh nothing in comparison to any power cutter and workes better, too. I only used a real chainsaw blade and used a T-grip: no rope.
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In late 1978 one of Hubbard's graduate students, Frederick Kochman, approached Mandelbrot at a conference and showed him Hubbard's pictures. Mandelbrot "didn't seem very interested," Kochman recalls. Yet shortly thereafter Mandelbrot wrote a letter to Hubbard inviting him to IBM to discuss his work. In the letter, which Hubbard kept, Mandelbrot wrote: "When sampling the works of Fatou and Julia, I had thought of doing these things myself, but had not mustered the courage. Nevertheless I can claim that I was awaiting your pictures for a long long time."
Hubbard says he went to IBM early in 1979 and, while there, told Mandelbrot how to program a computer to plot the output of iterative functions. Hubbard concedes that he did not appreciate the full significance of his own images then and that they showed only pieces of the Mandelbrot set. He also admits that Mandelbrot developed a superior method for generating images. Nevertheless, Hubbard says he was and continues to be "outraged" that Mandelbrot did not give him credit in the 1980 paper and later writings. "It was a breach of mathematical ethics," he asserts.
Mandelbrot recalls seeing "one impressively early drawing of a Julia set" by Hubbard but denies that it contributed to his own discovery. In response to Hubbard and Douady's charge that he is stingy in granting credit, Mandelbrot says he has also been accused of overcitation. He adds that his failure to cite the early finding of Brooks and Matelski might have spared them "derision" for "their failure to do anything with it."
What about the suggestion of Hubbard, Matelski and Brooks that the true discoverer of the Mandelbrot set is Fatou, who was the first to define the set and speculate about its properties? Brooks even proposes that "if Fatou had had access to modern computing facilities, he could have and would have drawn pretty much the same pictures that Matelski, Mandelbrot and I did." Mandelbrot calls such speculation pointless and insists that Fatou's definition of the Mandelbrot set does not constitute discovery. "Definition counts for nothing," he says. "You have to say why something is important."
Other mathematicians familiar with the case are somewhat bemused. "It seems strange to me that there should be such a fuss," remarks John Milnor of Princeton University. He maintains that neither Brooks and Matelski nor Mandelbrot did anything mathematically important. "Hubbard and Douady are the first ones to really obtain some sharp results," he says, "and let us know something about the set."
The dispute over precedence, Milnor suggests, may spring from a clash of different mathematical cultures. "In pure mathematics," he explains, "there is a tradition of letting others praise your work." Mandelbrot, he notes, is in applied mathematics.
"Mathematical developments don't take place single-handedly," William P. Thurston of Princeton points out, "and it's pretty common that things are not named after the first person to develop them. The Mandelbrot set follows that pattern." He suggests, however, that no one would begrudge recognizing Mandelbrot's achievements if he would reciprocate more himself. "He could be a bit more magnanimous," Thurston says.
Sullivan, who has also been acclaimed for his studies of the Mandelbrot set, calls himself "sort of a defender of Mandelbrot." Mandelbrot deserves to have the set named after him, Sullivan says, because his efforts brought the set to the attention of both the public and of the pure-mathematics community.
The fact that it was only "by coincidence" that the set proved later to be mathematically significant, Sullivan says, in no way diminishes Mandelbrot's achievement. "That's the wonderful thing about mathematics," he adds. "Even amateurs can make important contributions."
So who did discover the Mandelbrot set? Sullivan calls the question meaningless. Perhaps. Sheldon Axler, editor of the Intelligencer, plans to publish a letter pointing out that the Hungarian mathematician F. Riesz reported on work related to the set in 1952 .
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My rulese.txt also has riot factor 14.
Could you look in your rules.txt and tell me what the riot factor is?
Mine is set to 14.Is that right?
Last night I had 5 cities close together when I saw my 1st first red citizen in Monarchy.Something didn't seem right.
My rulese.txt also has riot factor 14.
hmmm. thats odd.I wonder if there are other facyors involved.Thnx
What were the population levels, and at what difficulty were you playing?
Well.I only had 5 cities down so pop level was low.Deity.
Smash - very strange. Did you have any roads/rivers connecting cities? Which city had the red citizen?
Let's see if this makes sense
Deity - 4
Emperor - 6
King - 8
Prince - 10
Warlord - 12
Cheiftain - 14
So my educated guess is that 14 is the number of cities you can have in Cheiftain before you start getting unhappy citizens (ie a riot).
I remember switching the riot factor to 255 a while back and had an easy time at ICS. No extra unhappies no matter how many cities I built.
The government type also contributes to how many cities you can have before riots.
[This message has been edited by Tom DeMille (edited July 11, 2000).]
Tom - it's a bit more complicated than that. I'll take the liberty of pasting in a table from another thread:
Here's an attempt at a table:
_____________Deity___Emperor___King____Prince____W arlord____Chieftan
Despotism/_____4________6_______8_______10________12_______1 4
Monarchy______6________9_______12______15________1 8_______21
Republic_______8________12______16______20________ 24_______28
Democracy_____10_______15______20______25________3 0_______35
Communism/____255______255_____255_____255_______255______25 5
Each time you exceed a multiple of the magic number, your happiness calculation goes up one difficulty level in some cities. For Deity+1, the first citizen is unhappy; for Deity+2, you will have a very unhappy citizen.
These numbers are for a small map; I think there may be a bonus for larger maps.
OK, so Smash's point is that he should have been able to build 7 cities before getting that first unhappy, not 5.
Cities were on a pretty nice river system.No roads yet.
First extra redhead appeared in city #5.Size 1 unhappy.I should have been good for at least 2 more cities.Cities were fairly close together,very low corruption at that point.
I don't beleive in that number system.My first extra redhat would appear consistantly then and that is not what happens to me.On small maps it varies for me from 5(apparently) to 8 or so.
In case there is any doubt Monarchy was established.I had been "holding" at 4 until despo was history.
[This message has been edited by Smash (edited July 11, 2000).]
Smash - my experience definitely bears out the numbers in the Deity column. I've never seen a first unhappy before my 5th city in despotism or 7th in monarchy. Sometimes I've been able to squeeze in an extra city, but the riot factor has never kicked in early. Just another one of those puzzling phenomena...
While in general, that table is a good guide, I have also experienced variations which I notice were due to overall population growth. Where due to pop growth in one city in a turn, another city previously ok (and did not grow) was now a problem. (when no new cities were added that turn)
There was another thread around here that went into more detail, but I'm too lazy to look for it right now.
Interesting. Smash, what size were your cities? I have probably never had a city bigger than size 2 at this stage of the game, so maybe that is the difference.
I think that's right. There seems to be some sort of individual city size (or general population number) factored into the equation. I've been within the "magic number" of cities and had previously content citizens suddenly become unhappy for no apparent reason. Well, other than growth within other cities, none of which, in itself, should cause unhappiness. And no amount of martial law solves the unhappiness.
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Don't forget there is also a distance from the capital factor. I think the thread that Rah mentioned is the one where we were discussing the problems involved in getting an advanced tribe in the wrong location at the wrong time. Several of us, myself included, had gotten cities from huts that caused a stable civ to go into mass riots without having the hut city also riot. Most often this had happened if for example: you had 15 well spaced cities total before poping the hut. With some of the cities in the stable civ 80 -> 100 tiles from your capital and on more than one land mass or several islands. Lets say that for whatever reason your unpoped hut was only 20 tiles from the capital and on the same land mass. After poping you most likely got a population 4 city, or possibly only size 3, which would be close enough not to riot, but would cause 3 or 4 cities on the fringes of your empire to riot or just fall out of WLxD status, which can actully end up being worse.
The numbers above are just examples and not actual measures. In that particular discussion none of us were using exact figures and meaurements we were just comparing situations that we had experienced.
Test result. On the Mac version, under Despotism, got to 8 cities - 2 size 2, 6 size 1 - before the 9th city produced an unhappy first citizen. Went into Monarchy, no unhappiness problems.
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[This message has been edited by finbar (edited July 12, 2000).]
Finbar - what size map did you use for your test? And what difficulty level?
Large, Deity. I'll run some more tests on different size maps.
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Test #2. Small map, Deity. (On a Mac version of the game) None of the cities linked by roads, as they weren't in the first test on the large map. All cities within 6 or 7 squares of each other.
Under Despotism, the 6th city built produced an unhappy citizen. At that point, I had 1 city size 2, and 4 size 1. It was the last city built - obviously a size 1 - that went into revolt. I corrected the unhappiness. Next turn, another size 1 city and the size 2 city went into revolt. The size 2 city had a defender in it, so it wasn't a martial law problem.
Under Monarchy, the 8th city built produced an unhappy citizen, and a size 2 city (with a defender in it) went into revolt.
Which only really tells us, I suppose, that map sizes could have an impact on the equation.
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[This message has been edited by finbar (edited July 12, 2000).]
Test #3. Medium map, Deity. Everything else the same as before.
Under Despotism, the 6th city produced an unhappy citizen.
Under Monarchy, the 8th city built produced a content citizen, but a size 2 city (with a defender in it) went into revolt.
Make of all of this what you will.
While I'm at it, I might as well do another large map test to see what happens under Monarchy.
Um .... maybe in the morning.
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[This message has been edited by finbar (edited July 12, 2000).]
[This message has been edited by finbar (edited July 12, 2000).]
finbar - could you check how many cities you can build in Monarchy before having happy problems? I know, it's a lot easier to ask someone else to do the work than to do it.
Which size map?
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The only Monarchy test I hadn't done was on the large map. Just did it. My 11th city produced a content citizen, but another size 1 city went into revolt, as did another size 2 city with a defender in it. So 10 was the limit.
My findings, based on an entirely unscientific series of tests:
Small Map - 7 cities in Monarchy before unhappiness
Medium Map - the same
Large Map - 10 cities in Monarchy before unhappiness
So large maps certainly seem to give you leeway in city numbers.
This, remember, is the Mac version of the game. I have the PC version, which I bought before the Mac version was ported, and I played on the Mac via SoftWindows. I'll open up the PC version and give it a try.
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[This message has been edited by finbar (edited July 12, 2000).]
[This message has been edited by finbar (edited July 12, 2000).]
I think I should get a life. But anyway ...
Did some tests with the PC version, playing it on my Mac via SoftWindows. And I'd forgotten how different the interfaces are. The OK and Cancel buttons are reversed on the PC version, which meant I was automatically hitting the wrong button from time to time. And you also get a little bell/chime sound when you build a city in the PC version. How endearing. The script/font used in the PC version is more elegant, too.
Anyway ...
1. Small Map - under Monarchy, the 7th city produced an unhappy chappie.
2. Medium Map - this was interesting. My first map gave me a small island. Bastards. But I had a go anyway. Under Despotism, my 5th city produced an unhappy chappie. I didn't have the space to build any more cities. Abandoned the attempt.
Second attempt. Under Monarchy, my 7th city produced an unhappy chappie.
3. Large Map - Under Monarchy, my 10th city produced an unhappy chappie.
So map size certainly plays a part in the equation. And the PC version - on the basis of these immensely unscientific tests, anyway - allowed one less city before unhappiness under Monarchy than the Mac version. You'd have to do a lot more tests to make that a given, methinks.
That summary:
Small Map - 7 (before unhappiness)
Medium Map - 7
Large Map - 10
Small - 6
Medium - 6
Large - 9
But, given my results, Smash's unhappiness factor - after 4 cities - does seem a bit odd.
Now I'll go and get a life.
Mono Rules!
[This message has been edited by finbar (edited July 12, 2000).]
My experience agrees with that...the only other thing that may affect it is the timeline. I think those numbers change as the game progresses.
Unless someone's found an incredibly sneaky alternative, the host's rules should apply to everyone.
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A question related to Smash's original post.
What happens if a player changes the game parametres in MP? Is it possible for a player to cheat by increasing the riot factor, for exampe?
What about the host, can he do it? How can you detect if someone has done such a thing, do the host's settings apply to all players? Or do "individual" settings apply? How do you detect it in that case?


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There will be no economic stability in a global 'climate' of environmental instability.
Because natural gas distribution systems are notoriously leaky spewing the 75 times as GHG potent as CO2 methane all along their length, natural gas is almost as dirty as just burning coal. NG also spews deadly fine particulate pollution which is more deadly than the coarse particles from burning coal.
Gas kills thousands even year,nuke power not a one in its entire history. Now which did you say was dangerous.
Gas in north america currently selling at the 30% the cost of production is the same cost as nuclear unless a public power company is building the nuke. Then its way more. Overseas nukes are far cheaper.
Gas still filthy/deadly just not as bad as coal.Nice!!!
In Brazil there is no scarcity of ethanol, but gas is being used increasingly, as it is even cheaper and cleaner. Taxis and vans use it almost exclusively.
Still prefer EV and multifuel, though (electic + compressed air, electic + flywheel, etc)
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I saw "diesel" on the list of natural gas fuels, but no other mention made of it.
For those of you that have never had a natural gas vehicle we had two (converted) back in the 80's.
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