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The foreign hero is probably Pete Wisdom. Gambit may try and jack something from the UK.
Not much in terms of preview art, but in terms of James Asmus's pitch I'm definitely intrigued. I think he's bold to take on a solo book like this at the moment. Solo series have been cancelled left and right lately. Marvel seems more content to double-ship more established books, but at least with this they show they're willing to roll the dice on a solo book again. After seeing what Asmus was capable of during the latter part of Generation Hope, I'm willing to give this a chance. I'm not a huge Gambit fan, but if he can do for Gambit what Mark Waid did for Daredevil then I think this series definitely has potential.
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Every x-man reserves the right to change their outfit, I am surprised that Gambit's 90's outfit kept coming back here and there. Really the pink chestplate has been discontinured for quite some time.
But the head sock stayed longer than it needed to. Good decision on their part.
Yes. Someone who gets the concept.ASMUS: For most thieves the goal is to not even come in contact with the opposition. You want to perform a heist without running into anyone. If you are in a situation where you've got to fight someone you've already messed up. My take on Gambit in this series is that he's not going to be someone who would kill lightly, if at all.
How about never? Be done with it - it was a stupid idea and needs to be put out of its misery.ASMUS: As to the Death persona, I'm not planning to delve into that for the foreseeable future
Im not as unhappy with the idea of Gambit scratching an itch and stumbling on a greater issues but I still wish this book was more pushed out of AvX just because I think it was a wasted way to gain it more visability for a new solo given we know how hard solos are to push. If this is going to be about Gambit stealing and running afowl of other heros, then I do hope there is some contrast with both Gambit's motives as compared to some "supposed" straight-laced or governments entities. There is a lot of shady stuff going on in the MU in very high places and if the Gambit book has some fun with that I'm all for it. More I want to see some of those entities need his help now and then. I actually liked the comment about Gambit "not planning" though I hope its not taken the wrong way. I think Gambit as a thief plans alot for each heist but he doesn't plan his next move or his life. Gambit doesn't want his life planned out after how his family tried to do that for him. It takes away the "fun" of just living. I'm glad to see Gambit out in the MU just because I don't think Gambit unlike so many of the X-Men is all that tied to "being a mutant". Despite it being very evident, he grew up with humans with all sorts of skills and living in a world with aliens and magical things going on so I don't think he's about mutants as much as he's about people surviving and that includes mutants. I am so looking forward to this book,
Oops my bad, I was posting in the Gage-Rogue thread before posting this and mind was obviously still linked. I normally wouldn't change it this late as I only just reread it, but it was rude to Asmus with the mix up.
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Dammit all. With Asmus being the writer, this book is now a must. Some characters get all the luck.
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Yes, Asmus should avoid the death persona, see it is such a stupid idea that it threatens to plauge Gambit.
If it is not settled eventually it will be used against him by the next anti Gambit author.
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This books sounds perfect. Not that a Lila Cheney appearance wouldn't go amiss.
I do wish people would stop worry about making book so accessible though. Marvel did very well indeed for many many years utilising continuity and having everything they needed to know in the story. That was without wikipedia, , comic sites, ebay, digital comics and pirated comics.
Plus are there really that many new readers. Seriously I challenge anyone to find someone who picks up this book who doesn't know about Rogue and Gambit's romantic history. I mean it's pretty much what defined the character for most of his existence.
I mean I get there is such a thing as over convoluted and nobody wants to get bogged down in someone else's story but I would like to see the death persona thing resolved, even if it's a throwaway line. Being a Horseman of Apocalypse is now part of Gambits story and not one that should be forgotten so easily.
I imagine these little things go a long way to keeping the long time fans happy and sticking around more so than they do confuse 'new' readers who live in a world with information at their fingertips.
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Re: Death persona. As far as I'm concerned, already dealt with globally via Uncanny X-Force. This book sounds like it will be allot of fun, and I enjoy Asmus' views on the character. The premise sounds very good. I look forward to this book.
I have 0% interest in Gambit.
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There is no Death persona in Gambit anymore. Remender already stated that Archangels accession made all other personas moot.... Meaning they do not exist in Wolverine, Gambit, Polaris, just the final Horsemen....
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The White House is several rented appartments across 2 or 3 buildings that are next to each other. Within the main appartment, there is a dinning table and reception area, a television with lots of DVDs, and 3 rooms that are rented out. The rooms are large, have a mosquito net (definitely a good idea), fan and air-conditioning, but no TV. The showers are large and clean. The manager is a nice guy. Overall, good value for a money in a quiet location that is only 5 minutes walk to Gulshan 2.
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Google Inc. has unveiled test version of a new Video Identification system on YouTube that should identify pirated videos as they get uploaded. More information about the YouTube Video Identification can be found here. Source: YouTube
No more anything fun, everything is copyrighted these days. Time for a new video site, hate youtubes video quality anyway, was hoping they'd screw up, looks like they have.
Wow, so maybe instead of just continuing to pirate stuff, people will actually get off their asses, get active, and try to work towards changing the laws in this country? Naw...
If people want to upload illegal stuff, they will, no filter will stop that. I bet if you record the video from a screen with webcam it's fine, no matter what content. If it looks for logos, soften them, or commercial brakes, cut them out. Not that I have uploaded any illegal or will, but this got me interested in trying to break it, so it's already worse
it works on facial or image recognition (known images trigger it) and sound cues (song lyrics) so if its really blurry and you distort the sound so you cant understand it then you can play it on youtube.
So no more hit me baby one more time fan videos, with britney look a likes, not that anyone would like to do that anymore
Only if you're making fun of her by doing it -- then you're protected under the first amendment (if you're an American, of course).


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Overall, the ICAO said pilot error contributed to the disaster, despite the fact that the crew brought respectable experience to the flight. KAL 007 pilot Chun Byung In reportedly had logged 11 years operating civilian airliners. Before that he'd reportedly served as a stunt pilot in South Korea's Air Force.
Author Asaf Degani, a former NASA expert on cockpit information systems, says KAL 007's autopilot was probably in "heading" mode. That setting tells the plane to follow a course according to the magnetic compass -- which can vary in accuracy up to 15 degrees at high latitudes.
It was this autopilot mode that is believed to have put the plane into Soviet airspace. If the autopilot had been flying under the plane's highly accurate, computerized "INS" (inertial navigation system) setting, the 747 would have flown a different path, keeping it very close to -- but still out of -- Soviet airspace. The pilots, Degani suspects, may have mistakenly thought they were flying in INS mode.
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International military tensions have continued to rise and fall since 1983 -- putting civilian airline passengers at various levels of risk.
In the volatile Persian Gulf -- just five years after Flight 007 -- the USS Vincennes shot down an Iran Air Airbus A300 flying from Teheran to Dubai. The Navy mistakenly ID'd the airliner as an attacking fighter jet and fired on it, killing all 290 passengers and crew.
And although the Cold War is long over, tiffs between Washington and Moscow continue, even in 2013. "I think there's always been some tension in the U.S.-Russian relationship after the fall of the Soviet Union," Obama said August 9. "There's been cooperation in some areas; there's been competition in others."
As for Hans Ephraimson-Abt -- he and fellow family members have helped other families, nations and airlines form advocacy and support organizations after some of the worst plane crashes of the past 30 years. In 2000, many of these organizations around the world united under the international Air Crash Victims Families Group, which enjoys invited "observer" status at the ICAO, and stakeholder status at the European Union. And it all began as a handful of family members supporting each other during one of the scariest periods of the Nuclear Age.
Permanent memorials for KAL 007 include a small cemetery marker on Russia's Sakahlin Island, and a 90-foot tower in Wakkanai, Japan, where some remains and personal effects that washed ashore in 1983 are kept. The tower consists of 269 white stones and two black marble slabs inscribed with the names of passengers and crew.
Memorial services at Wakkanai will mark this weekend's anniversary. But Ephraimson-Abt won't be there.
Instead, he expects to remain at home in Ridgewood, chatting by phone with fellow KAL 007 family members who've supported each other through the years.
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