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Paramount Reveals Who Benedict Cumberbatch Plays In STAR TREK: INTO DARKNESS!! UPDATED: Do We Now Know Who Alice Eve is Playing??
UPDATE: comingsoon.net is reporting the fabulous Alice Eve ("She's Out Of My League") is playing Carol Marcus in "Star Trek: Into Darkness." Marcus was Jim Kirk's scientist love, embodied by Bibi Besch in "Star Trek II: The Warth of Khan." She could create Genesis Planets and Kirk spawn.
Just released:
(Left to right) Zachary Quinto is Spock, Benedict Cumberbatch is John Harrison and Chris Pine is Kirk in STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS from Paramount Pictures and Skydance Productions.
In "Space Seed," Harrison was nearly suffocated to death on the Enterprise bridge by unfrozen superman Khan Noonien Singh.
This reminds me of when we learned via press release that Marion Cotillard would be playing Miranda Tate in "The Dark Knight Rises."
It makes me think maybe one of Khan's genetic supermen (perhaps even Khan Noonien Singh Jr.) assumed Harrison's identity to infiltrate and cripple Starfleet.
The first nine minutes of "Star Trek: Into Darkness" hits cinemas Friday. The rest of it hits cinemas May 17.
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this means?
that's a bit anti-climatic - glad its not Khan though. Let this new incarnation forge ahead with new villains!
he punches people with a big gun. I'm interested but need some more info.
Everybody breathe.
He's playing the 16th century self educated carpenter and clockmaker who invented the marine chronometer.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST
John Harrison was a self-educated English carpenter and later a clockmaker.
by tickled_by_elmo
err, thats what I got from Wikipedia anyway:/
If by some chance, Khan is in this movie, but they managed to keep everything a secret - including the actor?
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST
Abrams is a shithead reinforced with transparent aluminum
by David Duchovny
so that all of his shitty shittiness stays deep inside his shit filled evil head. Tired of this SHIT. You haters are the reason he's playing these games with the fanbase and it's pure and simple vengeance. JJ Trek was a good movie. Why couldn't you have all played nice?
You will know his name and what it stands for.
So he's a new character. Suits me just fine.
he had everybody thinking it was kahn, what a letdown, and I bet the cloverfield sequel is off the radar now cause pacific rim is taking over!! them monsters would eat cloverfield like snacks
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST
This is just more bullshit. I'm beginning to hate this movie
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST
HAHAHAHA JOKES ON ALL YOU FANBOYS WHO WERE SURE, FRICKEN POSITIVE HE WAS KAHN!!!!! haha numbnuts.
by peter
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST
Despite, the press, the producers AND THE DIRECTOR SAYING FOR MONTHS NOW... IT'S NOT KAHN!!!! and again, what a bunch of numbnuts.
by peter
red herring?
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST
Counting down the fanboy who 1st says Oh shit I KNEW it was gonna be Harrison in 3... 2.. 1...
by peter
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST
Is John Harrison the kind of guy that uses the Greyhound bus system to travel?
by TheMarineBiologist
No ID checks, no tracking?
It's someone close to Spock. Either it's his brother or Mitchell became friends with Spock instead of Kirk in this timeline. Lean more towards Sybok because of the whole "family" angle in the teaser.
Abrams is rebooting the Beatles and he's FUCKING THAT UP TOO THAT HACK
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST
It's not Sybok. It's not Gary Mitchell. It's not Khan.
by Darth_Tarantino
It's John Harrison. He's a new character. This is a good thing. Everybody calm down!
Cumberbatch will be Khan. Think about it this way, remember who Marion Cotillard was in TDKR? She turned out to be someone in disguise, someone far more important. Also, "John Harrison" has superpowers in the trailer? Put two and two together. Cumberbatch is Khan in disguise. Plain and simple.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST
He's what passes for a villain these days; Loki and Bane — ooooh, Brit accents make the bad guy sound more sinister.
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
They'll pick one of the many bad guys from the ST mythos and twist and contort his origin so that it "fits" into their nonsensical story. I'm tired of this shit.
I for one find it pretty cool that in the alternate universe, a guy who kind of appeared behind the scenes (even though he was on the deck) has such a huge impact. The guy was in 27 episodes, and almost everybody here doesn't know who he was. I think it's kind of cool.
...the author of a highly-popular series of sci-fi novels, The Stainless Steel Cat, starring Slippery Jim diKirk.
That wasn't in the press release.
Thank god for these little obvious Star Trek snippets, otherwise this site would be completely dead.. can't wait for the next piece of non-news!
Yeah yeah Yeah, "John Harrison". Nice try Abrams.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:19 p.m. CST
Miranda Tate = a fake name hiding a far more meaningful identity. John Harrison = a fake name hiding a far more meaningful identity
by Ali Kerim Bey
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST
How come Marvel hired scientists to figure out how Thor's world works and these fuckers?
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
They just made shit up to fill whatever creative conceit JJ had. Again, Thor had scientists on staff. Thor is based on comicbook MYTHOLOGY. Star Trek, a vision of the future by the late, great Gene Roddenberry had NO FUCKING scientists on staff.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST
re: "In "Space Seed," Harrison was nearly suffocated by Khan on the Enterprise bridge."
by jim
So he's playing a character who was in the Khan episode of the Original Series? But it's not Khan? Really? That actually makes me think it is Khan; like they're being coy, answering the question of who he's playing by hinting at it. I'm guessing they decided to be a bit more subtle, opting for "John Harrison" instead of: He's usually easy going, but is also known for his WRATH His name? Sounds like FAWN His name? Sounds like JOHN You won't forget his name after Kirk screams "JOOOOOOHHHHHHNNNNNNNNN!"
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST
Can't Imagine Why He Wouldn't Want Everyone To Know Who He Is
by Lesbianna_Winterlude
Khan, that is.
unfortunately doesnt lead to great abrams films.
...miners and engineers. Nu Star Trek 3's central villain will be a Klingon chimney sweep. Cheer out loud as Nu Kirk repeatedly kicks the villain in the face to an angry, "I have. Had enough. Of **flue**!"
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST
This character is called John Harrison and after you see him, you'll know the name and what it stands for.
by The_Cellarrat
Yes, I know Herc wrote the note, not the press release. Point is, I think he gets the doublecross as well, and implied it's "cotillard" style to give us a hint of what he's thinking.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST
Someone pointed out before the Anagrams for JH create........
by iluvsyfy
Obviously he is someone else in disguise, who?
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST
I wonder if they'll feature the Spock-Uhura romance arc, now knowing that Spock likes the sausage.
by peter
I mean he wasn't gay when the 1st film was released but has become so since... What's the bet they don't prominently feature it this time round.
Really looking forward to the movie.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST
Red herring. The mind games from Abrams really are getting tiresome. There's a point at which you just say, "Fuck it. Just shut up and show me the damn movie."
by AlienFanatic
Khan can't exactly just go through the academy as a recently thawed out superman who scared the shit out of the human populace in 1996. He would flunk the background check. A joint I smoked 10 years ago still haunts my record.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST
That's probably just an nickname he uses online... You know, like Hugh Janus.
by Gary Makin
Or Harris Johnson.
Yes, Harrison may be in 27 episodes, but I bet he couldn't super-jump like he did in the trailer. Clearly this is a front for Khan. At least it's "Space Seed" Khan and not something stuid like Ceti Alpha angry Kha, which I wouldn't put past JJ.
Name a human villain on TOS who wasn't in a holding cell at one point including Khan and Garth.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST
John Harrison.... OH SHIT I FIGURED IT OUT!!!! There's an 'A' ANNND a 'H' and an 'N' in his name put them together and you have AAAHHHNNNN!!! IT MUST KAHN!!!
by peter
All these hidden meanings. what to do what to do.
come on, I'm first with that one?
Whether this guy is Khan or Weller is...Khan is most definitely involved.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST
That's right. I made up a dialect of the Czech language which conveniently translates "John Harrison" as an anagram for "Picard Clone"
by Margot Tenenbaum
But now I'm leaning towards this: Jar Hi Shorn No Which is a greeting from "Jar Jar Abrams" and is denying the "Picard Clone" or "Shinzon Theory" -- no shaved heads.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST
DING DING DING!!!!! Enricobalazar takes the prize. Shit and it only took 18 minutes.
by peter
...but the reason this occurred to me is the set up. Both Kirk and Spock, with the "villain" glaring at Kirk.
I'm voting for Alice Eve as Yeoman Rand though. How come nobody speculates about her around here. It's all Khans and Mitchells and stuff. Janice Rand ftw.
At least on the first film. I'm sure they did on the second too.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST
So you guys think they're going to introduce Khan even though...
by Kelly Grimes
he doesn't exist or hasn't been introduced in this universe yet? By splitting the universe Abrams removed the crux of such a storyline (the Original Series) that Khan was born out of. Kirk would not have been in contact with him yet, thus their rivalry doesn't exist. And that's a lot of ground to cover in this movie in order to make it feel as huge as it did in Wrath of Khan. But who cares. At least this one has a villain in it.
Haha...now we have people actually (virtually?) hi-fiving one another proving to half the tb'ers that they were asshats who got it wrong. and they were the sleuth geniuses who got it right! hahah! you guys were wrong! ahahahah! wrong! not correct! haha! i can't believe you guys were wrong!?! i bet you can't either! you shouldn't be allowed to make decisions ever again! that's how wrong you are on this! or something. oh, by the way. i still think it's gonna be khan.
it makes sense that the events that took place in Space Seed never even occurred. The Enterprise would've never have stumbled upon the Botany Bay...Khan and his followers would still be floating around in space somewhere. If they did, despite the alternate universe...then those are some serious odds. They better have a good explanation for this.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST
The next trailer starts with Pike chewing Kirk a new asshole
by David Duchovny
Just throwing that out there as a piece to the puzzle.
Basically telling Kirk that his brashness is going to get his crew killed.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first JJ, film as vapid as it was but any talkbacker posting here, could have come up with a better story, that made more sense.
What did these "scientists" do?
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST
So he's one of Kahn's Super-Men if it means they're building towards Kahn I'm cool with that.
by Wcwlkr
Kahn is by far the best Star Trek villain ever. I'm glad they don't force him let him lurk behind the shadows.
He's the one with the ears - right?
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST
Herc keeps adding to his initial posting... QUIT GIVING HIM MORE THEORIES FANBOYS!!!!!
by peter
Brits drink and buck the system all the time. Maybe he will answer.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST
Its stupid to bash this movie re: the underwater Enterprise
by Margot Tenenbaum
We don't have transparent aluminum yet and that was a made up thing to explain the starship windows. Maybe this will get someone to think of a material that can withstand underwater and outer space. Why be limited to what we know now?
wild guess king of the hill
Was a joke post numbnuts--it would be you who got the reference though. My luck.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST
Hercules you should get shitcanned for stealing talkback ideas
by Margot Tenenbaum
Unless you're actually pretentious-rr-douchebag.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST
It's been stated that Cumberbatch is playing a canon character. So what the hell?
by sonnyfern
There is, to the best of my knowledge, no canon John Harrison in the Star Trek universe. I still say it's Khan and JJ is just having fun. Why would they build this up so much if it wasn't someone huge?
A technician first-class on the U.S.S. Enterprise in 2267. Harrison nearly suffocated on the bridge when Khan cut the air supply. Captain Kirk's log reflected a commendation for him.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST
Margot follows me around on threads like a case of space herpes
by David Duchovny
Begone from me foul knave.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST
I just want to know what joke post i was responding to.
by Margot Tenenbaum
That's why he's stealing my stuff.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
Was on one of the other threads. A recent one. At least that's the one I thought you were referring to. One where I mentioned transparent aluminum reinforcing the Enterprise's hull.
Everyone who's seen Star Trek IV knows what transparent aluminum is.
Old Spock: K just so you know in my timeline Kahn choked you out. Harrison: I got up and put a cap in his ass, rght? Old Spock: No. You Died. Harrison: Like a bitch? Old Spock: Like a bitch. Harrison: I AM NOT A BITCH!!!!!(blows up Earth).
The IMAX prologue that played for journalists yesterday hints at Khan - Giacchino's score quotes Khan's theme, and Spock drops the 'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one' line - if it's not Khan, they sure are fucking with people needlessly.
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST
Re: chuck_chuckwalla - I know they hired an astrophysicist on the first movie.
by Gary Makin
Dec. 10, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST
Why is it so hard to believe the Enterprise can operate underwater?
by Ben George
Whether it be from force field's, shield's, or advanced metallurgy what's the big stretch? I mean any ship traveling at 100 times the speed of light better have something protecting it when it hits space stuff otherwise it would get torn to shreds. So with whatever protection the Enterprise has going traveling underwater isn't any kind of stretch of the imagination (for those of us that have it).
You would be surprised. There were people on the first thread about this subject posting about Spock's death scene from behind the glass as some huge tie in revelation with the end of the Japanese trailer. I facepalmed for an hour.
or the Doomsday Machine....or Frodo
Dec. 10, 2012, 5 p.m. CST
It might be fun naming him JOHN HARRISON, when it's ACTUALLY... TaDaaa....
by wtriker1701
LT. HADLEY!!! You know the guy, who replaced Chekov during shifts? The old Billy Blackburn role!! IT MUST BE HADLEY! Who'd think of a KHAN anyway???
Henri Ducard
Dec. 10, 2012, 5 p.m. CST
Ask yourself this, Scooby Gang -- why haven't we seen anything of Peter Weller yet?
by Hardboiled Wonderland
I laughed.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:01 p.m. CST
You can learn more from what's NOT being shown. ;)
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Try to keep up Trekkies ;)
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST
Big-ass movies like this always have technical consultants.
by Gary Makin
Read the end credits if you don't believe me.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST
Maybe Khan drinks some Polyjuice Potion and charades around as John Harrison.
by kindofabigdeal
Or Paul Starr, or some other 20th century pop icon screwed up in the JarJar universe.
Many TOS episodes dealt with doppelgangers. I wouldn't rule it out.
It had to be said...
I think they may be doing an unprecedented , and unmatched, full campaign to hide the biggie.
Did the scientists tell JJ and crew that you can escape a the event horizon of a black hole by ejecting and detonating a warp core to push you away? Where was the science is that? Isn't space a VACUUM?
Maybe whatever happened to random character Gary Mitchell instead happened in this alternate reality to random character John Harrison?
and the only survivor is cumber batch and he hides his identity as john the sole survivor. But in reality he is Kahn.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST
So apparently the Enterprise can slingshot around the sun...but not operate underwater.
by Gary Makin
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST
You know, Lt. Hadley had in fact been in much more episodes than Chekov?
by wtriker1701
Fact! 61 according to IMDB.
holy shit I hate that lighting.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST
If you guys haven't read the original thread from a few days ago
by David Duchovny
Do yourself a favor and go read it. It brings the funny. http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59897
He is going to be replaced!!!!
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST
I was not convinced of a Khan plot until this news. Its obviously a pseudonym.
by Margot Tenenbaum
I was 100% a Gary Mitchell believer. Now I'm pretty sure that either Cumberbatch is Khan or Peter Weller is.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:07 p.m. CST
I'll remind you all again. We still haven't seen Peter Weller, nor know who he is playing.
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Khan? Klingon? Mudd? Robocop-Data?
Not Khan but one of his genetically engineered compadres. Peter Weller is Khan and is KILLED in the beginning of the film. Freaking everyone out.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST
So there you are and everyone who thought either or are now upset they were wrong and going to bitch about something else to feel vindicated.
by Cedric Ford
If he's Khan , Willie fucking Wonka, or Mr.Bean, it'll be a great movie ! You bunch of whining self-entitled maggots.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST
Re: chuck_chuckwalla - actually, space isn't a total vacuum.
by Gary Makin
Please don't rape the original ideas of Gene Roddenberry. The man had a different vision and Nu Trek would make him turn in his grave. I don't think his even his wife would have approved of this.
Who can change his appearance. It would explain how he could pass for a Starfleet Officer - he already is one. He just assumes the identity of someone else.
All theories must line up with that some how, some way.
Really strong and smart: Khan or one of his followers. Strong, smart and semi-Q: Gary Mitchell. The poster made me go with this theory because I was sure that Cumberbatch made that hole in Starfleet London himself. Also because Alice Eve looked so much like Dr. Dehner. And I thought that Cumberbatch may have pulled that Starfleet ship into the bay with his mental powers.
It's not enough to push a gigantic-ass starship out of a event horizon.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST
Cotton Hill states: "Why is there a picture of Kahn 'Connie' Souphanousinphone, Jr. in this post? Ya knows the truth, Mr. Hercules, Doesn't ya?
by elmo
NOT The Wrath of Khan Again. It's hardly rocket science to put the pieces together. Khan and Co, exiled into space aboard the Botany Bay in the past, escape their cryostasis through some other means in this timeline. Not the intervention of the Enterprise crew. More likely, another Starfleet vessel or operation. Perhaps Khan loses all his fellow genetic supermen in his escape, and vows revenge against Earth and the Federation for the loss of his kind. "How far would YOU go for YOUR family?", or whatever those words are in the extended Japanese trailer. And Cumberbatch has been quoted as saying "he" isn't exactly out and out evil - he believes what he's doing is right and proper and justified. Khan spends time - years? - infiltrating Starfleet, rising through the ranks, planning to exact his vengeance against the ungrateful world who marooned him in space. "We offered the world ORDER!", and all that from Space Seed. This isn't the Khan with a grudge against Kirk. It's the Khan who's never even met Kirk - yet.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST
Re: donkey_lasher - Majel Roddenberry did voice work on the first Nu Trek.
by Gary Makin
So I'm guessing she appproved.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST
Many of Khan's followers have infiltrated Starfleet & are the "enemy from within"?
by Margot Tenenbaum
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST
@decypher44 I was just thinking that. In the history of marketing, I can't recall anything like this. With TDRK
by lox4444
I don't really think it was a marketing ploy, because if they'd answered yes when asked if Tate was Talia, it would have ruined the "twist", even Batman fans already knew it was coming. I can't recall anything like this.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST
Q, could he be Q? Or the spoiled little godling that kirk punished, That would explain him destroying the fleet! And it would be unexpected.
by xombygodd
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST
"one man weapon of mass destruction" okay forget my last post
by Margot Tenenbaum
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST
But I despised Khan, And I hope that they do not go that route.
by xombygodd
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST
Re: chuck_chuckwalla - I don't think it was in the event horizon, but about to be pulled in.
by Gary Makin
Benny Batch would have been perfect as Khan's best henchman Joachim... I'd have followed him 'round the moons of Nibia, round the Antares maelstrom and through perdition's flame before I give him up! ...Yours is superior.....
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST
Don't believe it's as simple as John Harrison, if it were a brand new guy, they would have said it long ago.
by notcher
As for the guys who clearly are falling for this by ripping on Harrison as a failure already (Which shows they are idiots because Cumberbatch could play a pickle and make it awesome), I love the fact that people still give their in depth assessments of a movie no one has seen yet. Tools.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST
Oh, it obviously was the event horizon, my friend. Not even light can escape from that.
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
But if you feel as thought I am in error please feel free to elaborate. I'm open to your theories.
Just another movie ripping off TDK, like The avengers, like Skyfall: the villain lets himself be caught up as part of his masterplan, he is locked into an isolated chamber and then... he escapes.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST
For those of you who don't claim to know 100% who the villain is...
by lox4444
what do you think the odds are on each of them possibilities that are being discussed? I'd based all my assumptions on the ethnicity issue, Benicio and the other latino actors who were the leading contenders for the unnamed villain role. That led me to think Khan or Sybok. After today, I feel less like it's Sybok or Mitchell, more like it's Joachim or someone similar. The only way I think they'd go with Cumberbatch as Khan is if he changed his appearance, assumed another identity to avoid being recognized. It only took them a day or so to recognize him in Space Seed.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST
Abrams makes movies that are promoted like they're fine Jack Daniels...
by tailhook
but that promotion is covering for the fact its really two-buck chuck. Everything coming out in advance is screaming that this is just going to be pure trash. I mean, seriously.. John Harrison? Essentially a red shirt?
Infiltration makes sense. 9 percent Sybok. 1 percent Mitchell.
of Kirk giving Harrison a massive wedgie. "I will have my revenge!"
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST
How did Luke Skywalker destroy the Death Star with one fucking shot?!!
by Gary Makin
*An internet forum post if the internet existed in 1977.
Pike chewing out Jim Kirk for being too much of a loose cannon, that would follow the ongoing comics quite nicely. There was a scene in the "Return of the Archons" story where Pike got more or less smacked down by a superior who was not revealed because he's supposed to keep Kirk on a leash. Shadow Boss said it was going to be Pike's ass if Kirk didn't toe the line. Peter Weller's character is probably the guy behind those orders. What if Harry Mudd found the Botany Bay, sold it/had it confiscated by Section 31? Not saying Weller is Mudd. But it would be a neat little addition to the story.
I promise it does. I've seen it. Of course I know you won't completely believe a guy who's named after George Martin and a feminine hygiene device--but there it is--my solemn promise that it does indeed begin that way.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST
Re: chuck_chuckwalla - okay, was it even a black hole? They called it that, but it acted more like a wormhole.
by Gary Makin
Abrams cops a fair bit of flak, but just for once, I'm enjoying having a major geek flick on the horizon where I DON'T go in knowing pretty much the entire plot beforehand, thanks to the internet and pre-release hype.
In this alternate timeline. The character was done and done well back in 82 and in TOS. The whole point of the new series is to tell new and different adventures with the Enterprise crew. I don't need to see the the original films remade. Give me new stories with new concepts and villains.
I highly doubt that John Harrison is suppose to be Lt Harrison from 'Space Seed'. For starters, they are not even the same race! Harrison was Hawaiian in Classic Trek! The fact that Harrison was never given a first name in TOS shows that it is really stretching it to claim it is the same guy. On a ship with over 400 crew members, I think it is safe to say their was more than one guy with the last name Harrison!
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST
I DON'T go in knowing pretty much the entire plot beforehand -- into darkness
by Margot Tenenbaum
dominating the planet like the super soldier that he is. We didn't get to see that part of him in WOK.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST
Anybody remember the TOS episode where Kirk sent the guy to his death on his wedding day?
by DougMcKenzie
I wonder if the reverse happens here. Harrison is the one to get married, and Kirk sends his wife to die and that is what Harrison wants revenge for? Would follow with the whole family line in the trailer too.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST
They're doing something new with an old background character-- cool! They've got their thinking caps on! I wish Lucas took that approach in the prequels.
by chifforobe
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST
It's irrelevant at this point if we want or don't want Khan
by Margot Tenenbaum
now we're just trying to figure out if it IS Khan, got it?
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST
gmakin, DUDE, it was a BLACK HOLE created by RED MATTER. Spock even called it a black hole. Give it a rest.
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
There is supposed to be another pre-movie series to set up the film just like the last one that made things make more sense and included the TNG characters. The new game is supposed to be between the two films as well, and the story is supposed to dovetail with the new film. And IMHO, they're pretty decent stories in their own right.
Maybe we'll have a new TV show before the sun explodes.
It's black. BC has strawberry blonde hair. Just an observation.
sorry to say it but.... 1) it is easy to find out that the TOS character john harrison was one of the / if not the character that showed up most in multiple roles over the original series...blue....red....yellow..shirt even as a nurse for zulu and so on..... so it is just out of that and no other reason a name replacement 2) khan was originally a NORDIC superhuman that should be named Harold Erricsen in the first treatment and named John Ericssen in the first draft HARold Erricsen + JOHN EricSSEN makes out a John Harrison double wordplay in context with the background of the exchangeble character
I was so bummed by slogging through Voyager that I haven't even watched Enterprise yet. On my bucket list though--not sure why.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST
The Enterprise Underwater - This is unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Yarlan Zey
Gene Roddenberry is spinning in his grave. Anyone who thinks this is okay must be sentenced to a lifetime of watching Voyager.
I'm usually a cynical prick, but man I love this twist on the TOS. BRING IT!
...sad bastards on this talkback.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST
I'd be okay with Khan/Khan's people if they tell a totally different story.
by Margot Tenenbaum
This will be the real test of Abrams' reboot. Are they just going to tell jacked up remakes of TOS or are they FOR REAL going to move the pieces around a bit. Back when they were still calling this thing STAR TREK 2 I was sure that they were just going to retell the same story again. Paramount already made a half-assed TWoK remake with Nemesis. Now all I can think of is Weller as Khan, who we hardly see, a shadowy Col. Kurtz. Heart of Darkness = Into Darkness. This is a non-crazy Khan commanding a war against the Federation. He's not a super soldier, he's a super commander.
Was OK. Had some truly great moments. The theme song got on my nerves. Didn't last nearly as long as it could have. A lot of squandered potential. I'd like to see a series from the point of view of someone in the Federation who serves a season on a ship, then gets drafted by Section 31 and has to go deep undercover on an enemy ship for another season, then you have maybe an overarching conflict story and you just focus on the bigger story. Like the Dominion War story on a bigger scale. Hell, I'd even watch a show about the search for and establishment of a new Vulcan homeworld and the schisms of Vulcan culture, politics, etc. Just give me the episodic Trek. I have loved the films, but Trek was always best as a show.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST
by CreepyThinMan
you may want to skip Enterprise, at least make it the very last thing on your bucket list.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST
Gotta be an alias. Khan, Krug, Sybok, Chang, Ahdar Ru'afo, Shinzon, Nero, AND JOHN HARRISON.
by lox4444
The problem with figuring this out, I think, is that 90% of the possible villains we've discussed would have good reason to use an alias. I don't really guess Sybok would, but "alternate timeline" and all that I guess.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST
Re: chuck_chuckwalla - I know (I said that). My point was, it didn't act like a black hole. There's the flaw in the science.
by Gary Makin
Also, it was artificially created and not very big – so event horizon, schment horizon.
One would think this would be a lesson, but you morons are going to be all "It's Khan" when the third movie starts production. It's Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! And he has a pair of whales!!!! And only Old Uhura can stop him by doing a fan dance in the desert.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST
Basically the nightmare scenario Kirk thought he was preventing by marooning Khan on Ceti Alpha V
by Margot Tenenbaum
If I is not khan, then it is a massive waste of cumberbatcb.
Dec. 10, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST
gmakin, YES, THERE'S A FLAW IN THE SCIENCE. THAT PROVES MY POINT. WHAT WERE THE SCIENCE ADVISORS DOING ON THAT SHOW? STICKING THEIR FINGERS UP SPOCK'S ASS?
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
Are the movies considered to be part of TOS? The one thing I've believed in this smoke and mirror show that is the next Trek villain, is that it will in fact be from the TOS. To me that leaves Khan and Mitchell as the strongest contenders, and I just don't think Abrams let alone anyone in their right mind would have the balls to remake or touch Khan.
2 ships enter. 1 ship leaves...
The crew of this new enterprise look like they're in their twenties. Ugh. I really hope this flops so they can get back to making real Trek.
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST
Re: re: chuck_chuckwalla - what the fuck am I talking about? It was a black hole...
by Gary Makin
But a small, artificially created one.
Kirk was in mostly in black until the final scene of the last movie
SPOCK: This is not Nancy! (Whacking her repeatedly with awesome Vulcan hammer-blows of death) If she were Nancy, could she take this?
Can't what to see this one, hope it's as good as the first.
One of the running themes of the first movie was this magical, mystical, idea that no matter what happens ... certain things are still "meant" to be. IE: The friendship between Kirk, Spock, McCoy. The coming together of the crew. ... ... remember folks ... these are the creators of LOST. So it stands to reason that although they do want things to be part of a different reality with new alternate adventures that are similar but yet different than what occured during the original 5 year mission, the Kirks greatest nemisis would still come into play ... because its "destiny".
Carol Marcus. If so... lame...
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST
By the way, the Enterprise escaped the pull of a "black star" in the original series.
by Gary Makin
And Spock had his brain removed by Go-Go dancers to power their planet. It was never that realistic.
or is it. Dr. Elizabeth Dehner. http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Elizabeth_Dehner
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST
The thing is, apparently the confirmation of who she is was done at an event today
by HornOrSilk
Sorry, not Elizabeth if the twitters are right...
And Vl. But back then, fans didn't use them as an excuse to hate on the movies.
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST
i dont think it's an undershirt...i think it's from the past or future
by txtone04
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST
Why not have him as Finnegan? Come on, Have someone to kick Kirk's @$$, and take names.
by Kamaji
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:18 p.m. CST
I have returned-could be V'ger or some other probe from the darkness (black hole)
by txtone04
My wager, based on reading about Star Trek, is that what we are seeing is someone who is a comrade of Khan, with Khan himself either out of the picture or stranded or lost or removed from these immediate events. One thing we haven't mentioned here is that Khan is one of many supermen. Why not a universe where one who died lives and Khan who lived dies or is more distant or subordinate?
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST
I still like the idea of Spock and an elite Starfleet team baord the Botany Bay.
by kindofabigdeal
They could have either secured or even terminated they in cryo sleep. One is accidentally brought back and discovers the fate of his comrades. He will either impersonate or even surgically alter his appearance to then infiltrate starfleet and get his revenge. We shall see next year.
if true, shoots all the Gary Mitchell theories to hell. It's Khan. Learn to love it.
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST
I'm sooooooooooo glad it's not Khan. And I'm certainly no Trekkie here, never watched any of the shows, just liked the movies. But why would you want something retread?
by TheSeeker7
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST
gmakin, yes, ST asks you to suspend disbelief. But JJ went to the EXTREME to make all his conceits jibe in his movie
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST
and uhh boy, if there's anything that AICN Talkbackers like more, it's an unfunny joke beat so far into the ground it comes out the other side of the planet
by TheSeeker7
So are we going to continue to have like 10 different "blah blah blah about a month now" posts on every goddamn article?
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST
by Yotz Von Frelnik
Remember, Kirk and Carol were together long before Kirk knew of Khan.
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST
If anyone can explain to me why they wouldn't mention the name in the nine minute preview but would "accidentally" do it in a caption, I'm all ears.
by AlienFanatic
Otherwise, I'm calling bullshit. Paramount and Bad Robot are almost obsessive about keeping the details out of the press. There is no way on Earth (now or in the Trek future) that such an "accident" would happen when every item, liner note, and tweet has to be approved in advance. None.
Yeah, but everything is pointing to him being Khan now. Music cues, dialogue, characters all coming from WOK.
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST
if your mouse scrolling finger hurts go take an aspirin and quit your bitchin
by txtone04
If there protecting the PD it's a good thing the enterprise can go underwater then ;)
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST
The thing about JJ Abrams' magic box teasing...
by Hardboiled Wonderland
... is that when you finally see what's in the box, is extremely underwhelming and you mutter, "is that all it is?! I'm going back to bed."
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST
CONFIRMED! Cumberbatch is playing an ENGINEER!
by Hardboiled Wonderland
He drinks goo from the Enterprise's Budweiser warp core, and mutates.
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST
When the Enterprise crashes into the ocean and into the city, do people run in straight lines?
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST
If he is Khan ... Isn't that a bit shit? ... Had to copy the original movies and get him involved second movie. Just seems too ... obvious.
by GINGE_MUPPET
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST
Yet another movie where the heroes put the villain in a glass cage?!?
by Kevin
After Avengers and Skyfall, you'd think we'd be done with the Hannibal Lector routine
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST
Phase-shielding allowed the enterprise d to travel through a star. Water? Yeah I think the fucking enterprise can handle some bitch ass water. A bigger issue is
by UltraTron
Persis Kambata never had hair worth a shit in movies and was finer bald. Megaforce? Terrible hair. The one where the guy drives the talking motorcycle? Even worse hair.
A reporter from Collider, attending a press event at Bad Robot in support of Star Trek Into Darkness tonight, tweeted that Alice Eve's anonymous female lead in the J.J. Abrams-directed sequel will in fact be Carol Marcus. "STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS slight spoiler: Alice Eve plays Carol Marcus," tweeted Collider Editor-in-Chief Steven Weintraub.
Are you under the impression that is the Enterprise rising out of the ocean? Where did you here there was some violation of the PD going on in that scene? The same credible news sources that have confirmed the Star Trek bad guy? Also if they were violating the PD it would indicate that whatever planet that was is a pre-warp civilization and most likely primative. So how is a starship coming up in the middle of the ocean where no one could see or detect it most likely a violation of the prime directive? And how it got there... I haven't seen the movie so I want speculate.
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST
by Mark
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST
Well if Alice Eve is playing Carol Marcus that can only mean one thing...
by Ben George
dim the lights and set the phaser's to sexy.
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST
by Mark
Dec. 10, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST
So who's playing George McCartney, Paul Starkey and Richard Lennon?
by tonagan
if a spaceship left the middle of the Atlantic ocean in the 1500's say who would see it? Aside from a drunken sailor or two perhaps?
Dec. 10, 2012, 7 p.m. CST
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST
I think this is deliberate misdirection and is acutally an indication that Cumbatch is actually...someone else!
by Zardoz
Is it Khan? I dunno, but it seems unlikely that a "normal" human would be capable of the superhuman feats done by Cumbatch in the trailer. (Nor of fighting hand-to-hand against Spock in the BTS pics that are online.)
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
It's a Bob Orci script all right.
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST
Anyone else want to see a few more alien races explored in the Nu Trek?
by Ben George
If so what Trek alien race would you most like to see featured in a film. My vote is The Gorn.
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST
Doesn't give off radiation. It uses unobtainium to float similar to the floating mountains of pandora and ming's castle.
by UltraTron
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
Guess I'll have to settle for a second revisit to the Khan storyline.
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST
Remember the episode where they where going all ozone hole with the enterprise and warp was hurting space?
by UltraTron
I have a basic knowledge of history, geography and human development. Yes, primitive cultures did live near the water. It doesn't mean they could see 500 miles across the ocean to see something taking off from the middle of it. Unless Maverick was the captain... "hey Sulu let's NOT take off in the middle of the ocean where no one could possibly see us, instead lets buzz the tower and take off about 100 feet from shore. It'll impress the ladies."
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST
Was driving around in a dune buggy in nemesis violating the prime rib? Primitive fuckers might have seen the tracks and been inspired to make wheels.
by UltraTron
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST
Bendedict as Khan was some genuine flim-flam from the marketing team. Now can we stop with all the explosive bards of the verbal side?
by The_Cellarrat
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST
I violate the prime directive sometimes and infuse a modern culture with primitives that are still living in huts.
by UltraTron
Ur joking I hope. Khan wasn't "normal" in any way. Go watch Space Seed and Star Trek 2.
For some reason I wish thinking about that episode earlier today? Didn't care for that particular plot line.
but pixie dust.
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST
Or did they resolve it by changing the frequency of the warp engines or something?
by UltraTron
Yeah, but that episode was late in the final season. I'm kind of glad they dropped it...it would have made for nothing but stupid McGuffins the protagonists would have to agonize over for half of the episode.
Paramount is claiming that "John Harrison" is a normal human. When all evidence in the trailer and online indicates otherwise. It's deliberate misdirection by Paramount. Which is fine. He's "John Harrison". He's just obviously also someone and something else, entirely...
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST
Hey your hair is deep red in scenes in where no man has gone before. Then I think it gets more blonde.
by UltraTron
We'll tell everyone to cool there warp drives down a bit keep it around 6 or 7. They probably launched some beacons around the part of space that was getting all warpy. I also imagine the federation made some PSA's or something like that but everyone was like, meh.
"John Harrison" would NOT be capable of doing the things we see him do in the trailer if he were a "normal" human. Sorry for the omission!
There goes Jar Jar's Pandora's Box attract mode on this one.
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST
Yeah glad they dropped it. I like the one where you find out why all the aliens are dinky humans with forehead appliances.
by UltraTron
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST
Some aliens seeded the galaxy yada yada. I like that chicks regressive hypnosis theories that aliens engineered us with different parts from different alien races.
by UltraTron
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST
Would explain how hot some women are. Just the best parts from all the good aliens.
by UltraTron
like a boss, what was so extraordinary about what he did? And I'm with you, I think its Gary fuckin Mitchell all the way, just didn't see anything else in the trailer that was like, Holy crap he flew into the Sun!
(Insert any actor on the planet) for Merritt Butrick = Upgrade. This is for the reboot's version of Wrath of Khan thirteen years after this set of movies ends.
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST
Come to think of it Prometheus is like that episode of next gen only more annoying.
by UltraTron
Some red shirt who never spoke? Is there really any relevancy to TOS having the villain have this name? He's behind glass so not a full power Mitchell. My guess is he's Khan's son
coffee filter bags in our water and it had some of their DNA that started to create life. Then later on some scientist found a drawing in a cave... Or maybe that was a Voyager episode...
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST
God I love Star Trek remastered hd with 120htz true vision from 24p holy crap like standing on the 60s sets and just hanging out. They don't seem to notice me.
by UltraTron
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST
Call it Star Trek Dark Thirty and maybe it'll get an oscar nod next year.
by Clio
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST
LOL! You are right Ultratron. Prometheus is that TNG episode if all the characters had been Beverly Crusher and Troi.
by The_Cellarrat
played Carol Marcus in Wrath of Khan.
That screen shot up the top is very reminiscent of the Gary Mitchell episode. Even the way Cumberbatch is standing and his body language.
I couldn't agree with you more on that one!
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST
I'd be like Barkley on the holodeck with crusher and troi only no Victorian clothing.
by UltraTron
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST
The opening credits to Wrath...read *And Introducing BiBi Besch*, as if Paramount expected she would be the next big star.
by The_Cellarrat
not bibi besch
and wearing tights. Or would you go all Marque de Sade on their asses, erotically speaking? I was always a 7 of 9 guy.
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST
7 of 9 loads. On the 7th you'd be needing some exstense or something
by UltraTron
that was just a reference to who Bibi Besch played in Khan, for those that didn't know. Kirstie made a good Vulcan is what I have to say to you about Savek.
Kirstie Alley did become big...
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:33 p.m. CST
Oh vastly. Yeah I knew they had buggies of their own but it was still ridiculous and what happened to antigravity? They got
by UltraTron
that on wheel barrels in the original movie.
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST
by Mark
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST
I was responding to the_cellarrat you patronizing illiterate
by Margot Tenenbaum
No lens flare comments. Well, until now.
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST
Anyways too early to judge the level of prime directive pooch screw in this one. I tell ya what violates it:
by UltraTron
Blowing up planet Vulcan. Might as well have been earth. We have to watch this loser alternate timeline crew now that can't save planets for shit.
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST
@by captain_kirks_haircut They made one reference to it later on, not sure which episode/film,
by lox4444
when some sort of emergency came up, and Picard or Riker made some kind of statement that the were exceeding warp protocol due to the circumstances. Kind of like a cop's speed limit rules, from the way it was presented.
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST
Screw slinging around the sun and fixing that. Let em stay dead
by UltraTron
Right on brother! Hiding behind a moon works so well that it can prevent a Vulcan ship from being able to detect a barrage of quantum torpedoes. Just like in First Contact. Fuck you. Trek is full inconsistencies.
and that's coming from a Star Trek fan of 30 years+ But when they got out the "Argo" I wondered why they would use the most Inefficient form of transportation to go looking for the signal. Oh it's because the thoughtful, poet Captain Picard wanted to go off roading. Warf get the cooler and beer. I got the Skynard cued YeeeHaaaa.....
a Tribble in your pants.
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST
Without the enterprise radiation our cells would never have formed colonies. Relax. It's actually a federation black ops program like chem trails.
by UltraTron
who aren't creepythinman and type in all caps, must be beaten to death with lead pipes--especially when they are wrong about absolutely everything.
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST
haircut I know. I mean they almost topped the terrible of singing Sallah's song in insurrection. Or Picard's chrysanthemums line
by UltraTron
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST
I still love the infocom trek games with the little crew and they had the real voices.
by UltraTron
It's not that secrecy is necessarily a problem, it's just when that secrecy turns into a giant letdown. So it's not Khan or Mitchell. Okay, that's fine. Really, better a new villain than more rehashing of old stories. But why jerk us around? Cockteasing bullshit like that doesn't get the fans harder, but it does cause resentment. Dear Abrams and Paramount, Not particularly appreciated. Kthnx. Signed, A fan
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST
They dead and shit now. They need to remake all the old trek games and use the voices.
by UltraTron
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST
How about some positives....at least for those of you who are anxious to see the film....
by lox4444
-Cumberbatch is playing a Star Trek villain, awesome. -The trailer didn't suck, but trailers that tell nothing of the plot rarely get me stoked. Looked good considering the limitations of secrecy. -Whoever the villain(s) is/are, I hope the secrecy behind him/them is for a good reason. As others have said in the TB, if his identity isn't something huge, they likely would have announced it before now. -I'm actually enjoying most of the debate/discussion. The villain issue reminds me of Zodiac, for every 1 reason to suspect one of them, there are 2 reasons that it can't/probably isn't him.
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST
I need to check out Star Trek online. Anyone? There has to be some great in there right?
by UltraTron
Dec. 10, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST
Having John Mitchell be the villain would be as bad as having Guy from Galaxy Quest be the villain
by tailhook
Makes absolutely no sense. The Extra as villain? Try no. If it is, I have absolutely no hope at all for this film. Its like a Bad Writer Idea gone Amuk.
they better not.
Dec. 10, 2012, 8:03 p.m. CST
by Mark
Dec. 10, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST
by Mark
John Harrison would never do that! As a long time trek fan who has sen a couple of episodes; and; I was on the phone with my good friend Paul Dini and he sayd Jon Harrison would never do somrthing lik ethat. Shortest Distances. His a red shirt and I would eat Jon Hamilton to orgasm. Who is? Yo0u may ask. SOOO AWESOME! Now, between. Terrence Tren D'arby...WERNER HERZOG!!!! And I adore him.
Dec. 10, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST
9 minutes with noel clarke - plays out like what happened with julian bashir
by rakesh patel
Just read synopsis of the 9 minute imax preview with noel clarke and it reminded me of the deep space nine episode when julian bashir was outed being enhanced by eugenics, his mother described the same scenario. Eugenics man.
Dec. 10, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST
Glad they didn't do the Khan thing... cause it's been done before.
by SlickyVonBoner
Good for you, JJ. Unlike the Man of Steel, whose doing Zod, AGAIN!! When there's literally hundreds of villians in the DC universe to choose from. Whose gonna be in MoS2... Radiation Man!?!?
Dec. 10, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST
Why not John Harriman, inexperienced Enterprise B captain?
by BoyNamedSue
Revenge on Starfleet for giving him a ship before he was ready?
...I've never seen 'Space Seed'...so can someone tell me who Harrison is, please? (non-flippancy). Cheers very much.
...but MY mistake....it IS a red herring ( a la Cotillard) denying she was playing Talia A'Ghul....
Dec. 10, 2012, 8:29 p.m. CST
J.J. Abrams is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation
by wcolbert
If he centers the movie on Khan, you'll get angry mobs bitching and moaning about how unoriginal he is to utilize an established character. Some would rejoice, but a lot would also whine about it. If he DOESNT, you'll have another group moaning because he DIDNT do it. There's no winning with 100% of any audience, but internet rage nerds happen to be 100 times more vocal than those who don't mind so much either way and just want to enjoy seeing Leonard Nimoy play Spock one more time. That's why I'll be there. The rest of the movie could be about a deadly space turd chasing the enterprise - but at least I know Nimoy's scenes will always be 100% awesome.
Calm down Zak
Dec. 10, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST
I hope Kirk is chained up while Benny Batch bangs Carol Marcus in his own bed...
by Yarlan Zey
And then Spock brakes in, nerve pinches Benny Batch and then starts banging Carol Marcus as well. Kirk is humiliated and tries to bang every sexy alien he sees to try to feel like a man again.
Dec. 10, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST
DOUBLE DARE someone to actually spend minutes counting how many times the word KAHN appears in this thread as of now 9:36pm DO IT!
by peter
Dec. 10, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST
Is it Kahn isn't it Kahn, How can the Enterprise go underwater, Sybock Sybock... You guys are enough to give anyone the shits.
by peter
If Alice Eve is Carol Marcus, and we presumably get to see the genesis of David (hah!), if there are Eugenics Wars folks running around, could infant David be genetically altered to become like Khan?
you killed my son...
Nothing suspicious or misleading about a bland name like "John Harrison." I'll buy it ;)
Carol Marcus as confirmed by JJ and IGN.com. Can I cook, or can't I?
Dec. 10, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST
@mr_x_ I vatuely remember that. Can you remind me in more detail, none of the episode summaries are very detailed. If you're right, then that's huge.
by lox4444
Kirk abandoned Khan in Oklahoma City for fifteen months. Marooned for all eternity in the middle of a dead state...buried alive.
Let me answer that. It isn't fucking Kahn. It's KHAN. K-H-A-N. Look where the H and the A go, people. Seriously, this isn't hard.
Dec. 10, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST
Sorry master-haters, but the movie is already getting good reviews from the preview... You're gonna have to hope that the next one is shit.
by Gary Makin
And it's going to be a frigging monster at the BO.
Dec. 10, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST
Dunno if anyone's postulated this, but, yeah, Kahn, but this time it isn't Kirk and crew finding him.
by aboriginal
I figure JJ uses Klingons to pull an "Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer" on him (maybe) or another Federation crew finds him and he figures all this shite out and takes the ship into Starfleet Command and uses the "combination codes" to hit all the ships in orbit at once (including the Enterprise) and crashes them all into San Francisco save the Enterprise, 'cuz Scotty and Sulu save the day in order to rise out of the Pacific and go after him. Maybe the flipside this time is Kirk pulling the sacrifice, but Spock and Scotty manage to beam him out of the dilithium chamber. My plot idea from images so far.
I refuse to let go of my Garth theory. Goddammit.
Or at least I hope so. There have already been movies about Khan. Gary Mitchell could make an amazing story, give him a chance!
You tell me there's still a chance Del Toro is khan?
people involved with the movie said it would be someone you'd know. It's not fanboys' wishful thinking, you snarky bastards.
Dec. 10, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST
News break: Klingons. So I'm just gonna sit back and watch you virgins discuss Klingons for the next few hundred posts.
by peter
I have a feeling that JJ will pull a Pirates II and at the very end we find out that Del Toro is Khan and has been pulling the strings of Dr. Who in this flick. Perfectly setting up the Part III of JJ's trilogy.
the only plot line lifted from the series was space seed, leaving anything else from the first 2 seasons (most of season 3 was a joke) to use in this revamped time so why not stretch? this is lazy
Where does he come into it?
maybe john harrison is a spy for the Q. that would explain why no one in tos ever noticed he was always in different divisions on the enterprise and wearing different colors. some serious mind block goin on.
Dec. 10, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST
would prefer this movie explain why a starship needed a ship's historian
by walt
why was there only one guard on khan's door why didnt they add a force field to keep him in his room how did kirk manage to knock khan out with that little doohicky what the fuck were all those doohicky's for anyway?
Will be that cop that Spock nerve pinches back in 1930s New York. He's furious that Kirk suggested his wife hadn't dressed him properly. He uses the time gate to travel into the future, acquire cyborg tech, and come back for revenge.
Dec. 10, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST
I believe Futurama explained the space ship in the seas angle...
by mgs316
Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Good Lord! That's over 5000 atmospheres of pressure! Fry: How many atmospheres can the ship withstand? Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Well, it was built for space travel, so anywhere between zero and one.
Dec. 10, 2012, 9:20 p.m. CST
Isn't Spock's death going to lack some impact when they've only been friends for 5 minutes of one movie
by Don_Drapers_Acid_Trip
Up until this one? I mean, who gives a shit, we know he comes back anyway too.
Dec. 10, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST
Jonathan Harris?!! I Get it, he was Lost in Space with only a Robot! Kirk grew up and ditched him.
by Ingeld
"Kirk! You blonde headed Booby!"
Dec. 10, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST
Watch, it'll be Liam Neeson as Khan Ra's Noonien Al Singh Ghul.
by Bartleby T. Scrivener
Make it so.
Liquid in space is impossible? Umm.. Earth is loaded with the stuff and we're in space. You can't be that stupid to think the enterprise is rising out of liquid floating in space? It's clearing rising out of a body of water located on a planet.
Nothing better than watching a nerd fight.
Dec. 10, 2012, 10:20 p.m. CST
Has anyone suggested the Kirk/Spock flip for "the needs of the many..."?
by Benjamin Allen
If we're heading "Into Darkness" and general switcheroo is part of JJ&Co's game couldn't we see an third Bad Robot "Out of the Light" film where Kirk is lost and Spock goes on a very "logical" quest to revive him - perhaps prompted by Old Spock knowledge that Kirk is imperative to some "reality changing" event. Also leaving Khan for the third and final go-round of this continuity?
Dec. 10, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST
If it's Khan, then there's a lot of background for movie to cover.
by kabong
Captain Garth fits better: insane, shape-shifting power, Kirk's "father" of a starship captain.
Hello... it's an anagram for Phillip Green. Lava, aircraft flying over what looks like it might be a peace summit. I could go on...
other than being a nod to wrath, it totally loses its meaning
...you go right on quoting regulations! Even though you cried at the end if TWOK, and were supposed to be a Vulcan.
But did anyone listen to me? Ohhh noooo....) In my comment on a previous thread I mentioned this possibility. But no one listens to the crazy old coot, do they? Noooooooooooo.....
I don't get on here regularly, so did some dumbass celeb or critic say something?
Do we know? Because he looks a lot like Montalban these days. Maybe Cumberbatch is just the pawn that sets the stage for Khan's return?
The Original John Harrison solved the Longitude problem by inventing the marine chronometer in the 18th century. This John Harrison is the same one who invented te marine chronometer. This is Flint from Requiem for Methuzelah.
Like Data or Lore, not like the phone or R2-D2.
She was written to be half Vulcan, half Romulan.
In 4th grade, John Harrison tried to cheat off me during a social studies test. When I caught him cheating, he told the teacher that it was me who was cheating. Later, we fought on the playground and he pulled my hair so hard that I thought it would pull my scalp off. In high school, he used to wait by the vending machines and beat up the smaller freshmen. It doesn't at all surprise me that he'd infiltrate Star Trek and try and ruin it for me.
Because when you think about it, it doesn't matter. The movie has already been made, see? Then on the day that the movie comes out, we will all go see the movie, and judge it based on its merits!
Dec. 10, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST
Reviewing Garth's entry at Memory Alpha . . . Battle of Axanar . . .
by kabong
As stated in the Star Trek Encyclopedia (1st ed., pg. 18), "it was not established who the opponent was in Garth's victory. It has been speculated that it might have been the Romulans, although the history implied by TOS: "Balance of Terror" indicates that there was no Federation contacts with the Romulans during that time frame." Additionally, based on Kirk's comments, "the Axanar battle apparently had something to do with holding the Federation together." <p> Perhaps, then, Axanar is being JJ-ed into some Federation-splitting cataclysm.
They're scouting a planet civilization, assumably pre-warp. Thing is (and my fanboy rant is intentional), YOU DON'T DO THAT!!! YOU DON'T LAND A SHIP ON A PLANET!!! PRIME DIRECTIVE!!! WHAT THE FUCK?! You leave it in orbit or hide it behind a moon, so the telescopes can't see it. What is wrong with these writers? They just don't give a fuck and give way to "cool" scenes. STINO indeed.
Dec. 10, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST
He's got his mind set on Kirk, he's got his mind set on kirk
by I_Snake_Plissken
But it's going to take Quatloos, a whole lotta' spending Quatloos.......
the transporter was created, because landings and takeoffs were expensive to film of course, as the transporter exists in this timeline, makes absolutely no sense for the ship to be on the planet...other than they had the money and it looks cool and it brings up a plot point which is really a plot hole
problem...it looks cool, but as soon as you think about it....you realize it makes no sense. I hope this one is a big improvement over the previous. Which while fun, was dumber than a stump....
...but, this sounds like another Abrams twist: The name of a character that didn't do much in the original series is being used to cover-up Khan. Benedict Cumberbatch is either Khan or a henchman of Khan and Khan will be revealed in the closing moments, with either Cumberbatch becoming more Khan looking using the name Khan or Khan showing up as a different actor. Khan.
Dec. 10, 2012, 11:56 p.m. CST
He's got to be Joachim! The resemblance is just too damned uncanny.
by strosmer
Dec. 10, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST
John Harrison, English recipient of the Victoria Crosss
by Craw T. Dad
For "most conspicuous bravery and self-sacrifice in attack". Went MIA after single-handedly assaulting a machine gun in Pas-de-Calais in WWI. Looks like he still has the machine gun. Son died at Dunkirk. Hm, interesting villain choice.
This Christmas... Get Crabs.
i predict the dumbing down of trek will continue
Dec. 11, 2012, 12:38 a.m. CST
Harrison behind glass in pic = hand touching death scene at end of Japanese trailer
by Dubster32
Engineered Super version, ala Khan "returns for his vengeance" later in the movie.
Dec. 11, 2012, 1:02 a.m. CST
In an alternate Universe Bane pulls off the mask near the end of TDKR and reveals himself to be the Joker
by TheJudger
It would have been this generations " I am you're father". Oh well... TDKR shock reveal about Talia was predictable.
Dec. 11, 2012, 1:18 a.m. CST
Earlier this year cumberbatch said in an interview, "I'll tell you this - it's iconic and it's exciting. I'm bored of denying that it's Khan now, because people keep saying it." Now, two things: 'denying' is language for 'it's true, but i can't verify.'
by M_Night_Salamipants
Dec. 11, 2012, 1:34 a.m. CST
A thought: what if in the re-imagined "Star Trek" universe, there is no "Space Seed", but there IS a Khan? He hibernates on Earth, not space...
by Zardoz
So Khan is in stasis on Earth, wakes up, assimilates into The Federation & becomes "John Harrison"? Far-fetched? We'll see, I guess...
Dec. 11, 2012, 1:47 a.m. CST
Re: I'm Surprised No One Has Pointed This Out, But ...
by ArmageddonProductions
... Weller already PLAYED a recent character in the "Trek" universe -- he was that xenophobic Mars dude who wanted to use the Mars space gun to wipe out all the non-humans in "Enterprise".</p><p> Anyway, it's obvious Cumberbatch's character is supposed to be the fucking Squire of Gothos in disguise. If Abrahms REALLY wanted to fuck with the audience, he'd bring back some lesser spoken-of elements of the original series, like having the Enterprise away team show up on a planet that inexplicably looks like Nazi Germany or ancient Rome. Cumberbatch IS playing an "iconic" character -- he's Julius Caeser!
Dec. 11, 2012, 2:20 a.m. CST
Whoever he is, Cumberbatch will be the only good thing about this
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
movie, and I hope his character wins, and destroys this alt verse.
Dec. 11, 2012, 2:25 a.m. CST
Or maybe his character is called AsimovLives?
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
screw that...is Kirk wearing UGG boots? He is no longer Kirk but "Tom Brady: Space Pioneer" and he's ready to explore Uranus
What happened that everyone is so bent on insisting that Kahn is in this movie, that even when the character doesn't look like Kahn, doesn't talk like Kahn, and isn't named Kahn, we're still insisting its somehow Kahn or Kahn related? I feel like I missed something.
Dec. 11, 2012, 3:03 a.m. CST
Maybe Khan will appear at the end of this film, teasing Star Trek 3
by DC Films
Maybe John Harrison is preparing the way for Kahn..... Maybe Benicio Del Toro is in it after all, if just for a moment ant the end, opening the door to ST:3
Who is Khan?
I stated that in WRATH OF KAHN Carol Marcus had never heard of Khan.
Dec. 11, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST
Its really John Travolta from the future and wants to go balls deep with Kirk. But he does'nt do guys Kirstie Alley tells Starfleet. Sorry Kirstie, Travolta doesnt do Vulcan snatch.
by Shaun D Lyons
Dec. 11, 2012, 3:27 a.m. CST
Cumby about to be blasted out of the goddamned airlock!
by Shaun D Lyons
Dec. 11, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST
Any bets on which Sunday night Fox lineup cartoon AICN will reference next?
by tangcameo
My guess is the latter episodes of The Critic
This isn't Shyamalan directing Star Trek, it's JJ Abrams. And while his TV shows had "cliffhangers"...that's the nature of that medium. What was the "twist" in the first Star Trek? Or Super 8? Nothing. Nada. He just tells a good story. (Now, for you JJ haters, debate "good".) There will be no big reveal. There will be no unmasking. Because for the most part, the people that paid money for JJ's first Star Trek don't give a shit. I certainly don't. I don't want some random character popping up that I have to google at the end of the movie and find out who the fuck he is. (Yeah, I'm looking at you Avengers). I just want a good story.
Dec. 11, 2012, 4:51 a.m. CST
re: "i dont think it's an undershirt...i think it's from the past or future"
by buggerbugger
Twist: Cumberbatch isn't the villain, his shirt is the villain. The shirt is from an alternative future where fabrics evolved and became sentient and started wearing mind-controlled human slaves to do their bidding. The shirt intends to alter all timelines so that fabrics are the dominant life-form. Next movie will be called 'Starch Trek: The Search for Cloth'.
I just hope this movie ends up being just as good, if not better than the last one. Oh, and I'm sure Benedict will be a good bad-guy no matter who he's meant to be.
Benedict is awesome, I just don't hope they pull a Bane and it turns out Cumberbatch works for a bigger baddie (who has not been developed at all over the course of the movie!)
Dec. 11, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST
Ron Veto is an extra they used as background dressing 13 times.
by quentintarantado
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/12/cumberbatchs-star-trek-into-darkness-villain-revealed-again-and-hesa-redshirt and Ron Veto's imdb page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0895400/filmoseries#tt0060028
Can be an officer Garth pretends to be... so in other words..... it could still be Garth...
Although I like the idea of Harrison being a background character from the original series who is a "big bad guy" in this new timeline, another cool idea would be that he's one of Kahn's fellow supermen from the Botany Bay who turned out to be the only one revived in this new timeline. Admittedly, it still "could" be Kahn since it would be fairly easy for a genetically engineered genius to assume someone else's identity and a fake accent.... just to keep the Kahn controversy going.
Alfred watches him eat breakfast.
Dec. 11, 2012, 7:19 a.m. CST
Coming Soon is reporting Alice Eve is officially Carol Marcus
by Brian Mullett
No word on here yet...
You said "I don't know anything about STAR TREK..." Neither does Jar Jar Abrams.
Dec. 11, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST
In a CBM talkback, someone claimed to have worked on the movie.
by Colin Dent
The gist of his post was that Cumberpatch is Khan's Vader, and that Jar Jar is setting up part 3. Khan will, according to said poster, appear at the end of ST:ID. Played by an Asian/British actor. Now they could be just bullshitting, but Naveen Andrews is Asian/British, and he and Jar Jar do have a bit of history. Just speculation, so don't take it as read geeks.
I refuse to watch a reboot of Wrath of Khan. This sucks. My life already sucks, so my favorite franchise is fucked by JJ-doush bag. Why couldn't they pull characters from TOS? Why is every Trek movie JJ does only takes stuff from Wrath of Khan? Fuck.
Cumberbatch is Khan. Alice Eve is effing hot. Why no coverage of Life of Pi on this site? I don't understand why you pump up movies with bad scripts and ignore a masterpiece like "Pi."
it still could be Gary Mitchell. But it's Gary Mitchell from the other reality. He became so powerful that when he died there was still a part of him left, a consciousness, God/Beyonder-style, and he was able to pull himself "out of the darkness," which is phrase they've been throwing around. But to his surprise, he pulled himself into the other reality, and into the body of the character they say Cumberbatch plays. And though there's no Khan, the themes will mirror the second original Star Trek movie, hence the hand on hand on the glass, and (look away) he may even sacrifice himself to save the universe from a bigger threat or it's total destruction because he loves someone in it and he started things in motion he can't stop. I understand there's also a scene in the 9 minute opening where he offers the parents of a terminally ill child the chance to save the child -- which sounds omnipotent. This or he pulled his own awareness out of his body before the boulders crushed him. Or they may even find a way to put Khan's mind into this character, but factoring in the power of Mitchell's character and some things we know, I say Mitchell. Unless it's V-ger related.
A guy on twitter tweeted IGN a picture of himself as a Klingon. If anyones interested his twitter name is @asimaahmad. He also tweeted he has a role in the amazing siderman 2 as a character called Morbius.
Is back again as Sherlock next year too, and with added Bilbo-ness of course. Hooray!!
The beginning or end of Trek 1 would have provided a path for Mitchell's conciousness to pass through.
Also that green bitch in the first one. That is all.
...if you say "Numbnuts" one more time, I'm going to punch you in your numbnuts via TCP-IP.
Dec. 11, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST
...and Naomi Harris wasn't Moneypenny, JGL wasn't Robin, Marion Cotillard wasn't Talia al Ghul and so on and so on
by Sequitur
Dec. 11, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST
If he was on Galactica that'd be a Viper launch bay and not a sickbay and he'd be on a one way trip to vaccuum! BSG > New Trek
by Dogmatic
Just happened to be his name. Pretty stupid move by Nolan on that one.
Dec. 11, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST
Because Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is the best Star Trek story ever told, Bass Ackwards.
by MrWug
And Ricardo Montalban's Khan was a huge part of why it was so good.
Had the internet been available to the public in 1980; people would have bitched about the Empire Strikes Back. You know it to be true. It's what they do..
I thought she was Carol Marcus, but its good to know. I love that JJ has everyone in hissy fit over who Benedict is, probably the best secret in movies right now. As for people bitching about Trek virgins. You are posting on a geek website, glass houses, morons, glass houses.
that Kirk will have a new haircut, the enterprise is turned into a sub, due to a global climate change in space, they put flames around Khan's nipples and that Weller plays Cumberbatch's midget-siamese-twin hidden under his trenchcoat FOR THE WHOLE MOVIE and they are actually Sybock's offspring, because Sybock banged Uhura AND her mother. Guys, honestly, this is getting ridiculous. If Abrams reads this ... the film can bomb at the box office ... the money he saves on not renting a comedy for the rest of his life would make him enough money.
When I go to see this Friday (no Imax where I live) Can I see it in 24 fps in 3d? Or are all the 3d showings in 48fps? Can I see it 48 fps in 2d? Or can I watch it in plain old 2d at 24fps? I'm fucking confused.
Robert April. Count on it.
Dec. 11, 2012, 9:22 a.m. CST
So far, more suspense, twists and turns than ALL the previous Star Trek movies combined
by Kikstad
I'm liking it.
Don't, I repeat don't, take any hint of solid evidence from what I am about to speculate here. I just have too much time on my hands today and found this highly co-incidental. According to his filmography listing, he's done something called 'Rise of an Exile' this year. a bit of Googling will get you this: It's a trilogy of sci-fi movies that Mark Hammill is supposedly going to direct. You youngsters may have heard of it, but it's news to me. It involves a race of genetically engineered superhumans being eradicated. Andrews character is called Atticus Benedict. See here http://www.quietearth.us/articles/2010/09/02/Genetically-engineered-humans-get-hunted-in-new-trilogy-RISE-OF-AN-EXILE However, if you look at imdb, it's listed as in development. Now if this is done and in the can then this is all total horseshit. But it could be ROAE is just another Blue Harvest. once again just speculating.
I'm slow this morning. What are you trying to say?
It is Khan, Jackass! Press release means ZILCH! Duh! Dark Knight Rises? Jackass.....
Dec. 11, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST
The Borg Queen became Borg when she was a little girl
by David Duchovny
according to her (Voyager Season 7 episode 1) Just throwing that out there in the mix.
Dec. 11, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST
Wow JJ has you guys in a literal Tizzy.! Like Harry you`re giddy as a Schoolgirl.
by higgledyhiggles
It`s only Star Trek.
can go under water, being watertight and resistant to cosmic rays and shit and with a top speed similar to that of a speeding bullet... It's the future, man...THE FUTURE!
Dec. 11, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST
Holy shit a new star trek movie is coming out! Woooooooooooooo
by UltraTron
Dec. 11, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST
Hey, under water IS CANON! In TOS they flew inside of an AMOEBA!
by wtriker1701
So get your facts straight, haters! Look up THE IMMUNITY SYNDROME! It doesn't need VOYAGER to proof, Starfleet ships can fly inside of fluid.
...will still be shit as Scott.
And she rocks the mom haircut from Wrath of Khan.
The horror.
Whatsamatter? A federation security guard called you 'cupcake'? You're taking this personal, Jim. Spock....this is business and this man is taking it very personal
Da FUG?!
Is it possible that Cumberbatch is actually a Q passing for Harrison?
Dec. 11, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST
I can overboard all I want! I don't have to watch it. But I can still bitch about it.
by Just_Some_Guy
Dec. 11, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST
Alice Eve plays Carol Marcus -- NO FUCKING SHIT!
by Refrigerator_running
Called that one way early. Who wants to take bets that Carol Marcus has either a child this movie, or next? Oh, and Cumberbatch is really Khan in disguise? <P> Also taking Bets on whether Spock dies at the end. <P> Anyone want to except this one? <P> Since you suckers are just going to give your money to these bad robot ass hats, I'll be glad to take some of it as well.
Dec. 11, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST
Benedict is a surgically altered Klingon. Yup. ARNE DARVIN!
by FreeBeer
starships will be able to fly through space amorbae
When they first meet Garth in the original series episode, he was impersonating the governor of the colony - so he could be assuming an identity here. And he was also imprisoned in an asylum - and the shot of him behind glass could be an asylum cell, a la Hannibal Lector, etc.
It's Kat. K - A - T I'm outta here.
He made him turn himself into a CD so he could burn him.
With lots of mustard and Khan sauce!
Only that I think Khan is behind all Jar Jar's obfuscation.
Dec. 11, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST
It's Tuesday, so I'm going to go with Cumberbatch as Colonel Green
by kabong
until further notice.
Absolutely nothing. Direct to DVD junk if there was any justice in the universe. What is there to grab me? Oh look, there is a guy who was played by an extra in Trek II over 30 years ago? You gotta be kidding. This is so like knowing the combination of Kirk's office safe. Ooooooooh. Who could care? It's 100% fanboy. It's hopeless. And that attempt at scream but that lame woman is just awful. Wasn't anyone paying attention to how bad it was? I'm really worried about this one. I don't care how many things blow up real good like or how many dorks jump off a cliff. Getting really tired of that one. Make this go away. Start over.
Dec. 11, 2012, 11 a.m. CST
It's not who Cumberbatch is underneath, but what he does that defines him as a villain.
by kindofabigdeal
And yes Alice Eve is smoking! I'm been on her ever since She's Out of My League!
*Anyone want to except this one?* I expect you wouldn't ACCEPT my conditions ...
Header: I love that certain geeks go overboard... Body: ...and worry about spelling. Kahn. Khan. Who gives a shit? Me...I prefer Caan. Whatsamatter? A federation security guard called you 'cupcake'? You're taking this personal, Jim. Spock....this is business and this man is taking it very personal
Dec. 11, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST
So, it's a "what if we killed Hitler" sort of scenario.
by Royston Lodge
We should not go back in time to kill Hitler, because we do not know if one of the millions who were killed by Hitler might turn out to be worse than Hitler. What if John Harrison was always evil, but never had the chance to act on it because of the events of Space Seed. If Space Seed never happened, that means John Harrison is free to wallow in his own crapulence.
Dec. 11, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST
Someone make a Hitler rant about JJ fucking over Star Trek fans
by David Duchovny
over this villain identity.
British actors available to play Khan. Roddenberry got a lucky good performance out of a dude who hung out with a midget on Fantasy Island. This will be a good movie or Cumberbatch wouldn't have agreed to do it.
To everyone saying why do we want it to be Khan. I don't think most of us want it to be, but given the villain is a classic Star Trek Villain according to JJ, and given we have been told the following characters Gary Mitchell, Charlie Evans, Ruk, Janice Rand and the Borg are not going to appear in Star Trek into Darkness, we've been pushed into the villain being Khan. I personally think its silly that we have Khan in this movie, but Cumberbatch is playing Khan or one of his helpers, or JJ has been lying in the interviews.
Dec. 11, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST
For those who didn't catch it, Moriarty saw some art during his set visit that indicates it's Captain April, but...
by lox4444
he's suspicious that it was left out on purpose to throw everyone off. More mindfuckery.
Dec. 11, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST
It's on the Hitfix front page right now, forgot to mention that lol
by lox4444
Ah, the conditions. Well, what do you have in mind?
Dec. 11, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST
bass ackwards: Because I know Bat Robot. I know how they think.
by Refrigerator_running
They think Khan is to Kirk as the Joker is to Batman.
The villain is some helper dude of Khans! Yeah, that will put butts in seats.
Dec. 11, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST
It kinda bugs me that they're making Carol Marcus a Starfleet officer.
by Royston Lodge
Part of Carol Marcus' whole character was that she was anti-military. That's why she was a civilian researcher. Sigh...
Jean-Luc's grandfather or great grandfather. We all know that he comes from a long-line of adventurers. It makes perfect sense!
Ahh TNG, how I miss your compelling storytelling. Where no *one* has gone before... No matter!!!...splosions!
Dec. 11, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST
You're all losing your nerd cred here: Gary Mitchell introduced Carol Marcus to Kirk
by Monroville
That's how they got together and made David to begin with. Now granted, her name was never spoken on WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE, but if I recall in the episode, Gary is making some off-handed comment about "that blonde" he set Kirk up with, whereupon the Shat said incredulously, "Gary... I almost MARRIED her!" You see, J.J. is not the only one who goes back to the original show and picks up on what could be minor one-liners, for Nick Meyer used this line to CREATE the character of Carol Marcus and David and thus the backstory for Kirk, as well as giving Kirk a parallel to Khan (who had his blonde haired, blue eyed boy beside him with Joachim) - the difference being that Khan was with his son the entire time (and kind of ignored him, even though his son desperately tried to talk reason to him the way his mother would have), whereas Kirk finds out his has a son (who wants nothing to do with him) and Kirk desperately wants his son to pay attention to "him". In STAR TREK 2, Kirk and Khan are mirror images of each other. Khan loses the one thing that tempered him and the only real person he cared about: his wife. At the end of ST2, what happens to Kirk? The same thing. So while this will most likely be Khan, as J.J. is nowhere near as original as he thinks he is, there is still a chance that this could be Mitchell, due to the TOS line mentioned above.
Okay, Spock may not have been Kirk's "wife", but you get the idea. Then again, maybe there IS something to all of that Kirk/Spock slash fiction out there: http://cosmicduckling.com/spirk/stories.htm
Carol Marcus goes strickly into scientific research (which, even in STAR TREK 2, was still funded by Starfleet)... maybe she is an officer, but something horrible happens and she gives up her commission.
Dec. 11, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST
Oh, no question, it's entirely possible. It still bugs me though.
by Royston Lodge
I don't have a good reason for it bugging me, but it still bugs me. It's also possible that Carol Marcus dies, thus deleting David AND the Genesis Device from this timeline completely.
its jon anderson from errand of vengeance... uh maybe
Dec. 11, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST
Confused. According to the update post on top, the movie was, "The Warth of Khan." What the fuck is Warth? Is this a different movie?
by theDORK
Check it http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/12/cumberbatchs-star-trek-into-darkness-villain-revealed-again-and-hesa-redshirt It doesn't seem to relate directly to Space Seed
Look: I really do "enjoy" the new STAR TREK. It is what a lot of the NEXT GEN movies weren't, and that is FUN. Granted, STAR TREK is supposed to be about much loftier things, like THOUGHT and IDEAS. A much truer ST movie MUST contain at least a moment where Kirk outwits the enemy, be it with technology or simply by out-talking them (like Landreiu, Nomad, Trelane, Apollo, etc.). Even with the CAPTAIN BLOODish elements that STAR TREK 2 had, it still depended upon Kirk outsmarting Khan. In J.J.'s TREK, where was any of that really? You had some moments, but was it REALLY that hard to outsmart Nero? Let's not even mention the plot holes which should wreck the movie, the chief and really ONLY plot hole that really is that big of a deal: - how in the hell did Nero know when and where Spock Prime was going to show up, and why in the HELL did Spock Prime not sacrifice himself and detonate the Red Matter when he saw that he was going to be captured? Sure, it would have meant "no movie", or J.J. would have to write an entirely new script, but does anyone realize that Spock Prime is completely responsible for his home world being destroyed? And do Romulans and Vulcans NOT have multiple spaceships to evacuate their respective populations with, or are they just so apathetic that they would sit back and die from something that would at least give them a few hours to plan an escape from? Sure, in the case of supernovas or Nero's supership, you're going to be destroyed if you head right for it, but Romulus and Vulcan are spherical planets... there is nothing stopping you from lifting off, going to the other side of the planet and then warping away. (Sigh) Even so, I can still watch STAR TREK and enjoy the performances and the DeForest Kelly impersonations. The problem now is: this better be a HELL of a lot more intelligent, as the schtick was new the first time, and (at least for me) makes me forgive it a bit. Now that J.J. has some more time to work on this, are we going to get more of the same? The thing is: this could be a really good movie... but if the villain is indeed Khan, or Khan is anywhere near this, frankly I just say FUCK J.J. and his extremely limited but successful talent. Considering ALL of the TOS villains he could pull from (the Ebonites and Organian feud; the vampire cloud; the hortas; the doomsday machi... okay, he already did that with his V'ger Romulan ship), why go back to the same goddamn well AGAIN? Okay, we get it! STAR TREK 2 WAS COOL! Alright? Can we go now?!?
First Electro and now this!! The original Harrison was hawaiian. HINO! HINO!
Dec. 11, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST
Alice Eve is about as credible as a genius geneticist as Denise Richards was as a nuclear physicist.
by SergeantStedenko
It has a nice ring to it.
Dec. 11, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST
Remember, Kirk's fatal flaw (according to Saavik) was that he'd never truly faced death.
by Royston Lodge
So JJ makes the villain a RedShirt. It's almost poetic.
Please write me at email@example.com's something I'd like to discuss with you.
Dec. 11, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST
It's not so much the ocean water that bothers me as it is the gravity well
by Norm
NASA astronauts train in their spacesuits in swimming pools. I have no probelm believing that the Enterprise can putter around underwater without leaking. But I have a real big problem believing that it can take off and make orbit from a planetary gravity well. But of course, since in 2009 Trek the ships are built on Earth they must be able to get to space somehow. I have the exact same problem with the Star Wars prequels by the way, when in Episode III they show Star Destroyers taking off from a planet surface. Capital ships are built in space and stay in space. It makes for boring, lazy writing for starships to be able to land and take off from planets whenever they like. I guess it's just another magical ability of the subspace field and technology that can do anything. It's like, remember those imaginary battles we had as kids, where no one ever one or lost? "I shot you with my laser!" "No way, I have shields!" "Well, I have a super laser that beat your shields" "I have double shields now" "Yeah, well I have photon torpedos" "So what, my ship just dove underwater and you can't get me!" "Yes I can" "No you can't" Remember how it stopped being fun when you could always just one up the other person to Infinity times infinity? Lazy, boring writing.
Dec. 11, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST
norm: I agree about Trek ships taking off from the surface.
by Royston Lodge
I don't like it, but it's canon now, so we can just suck it up I guess. Regarding the Episode III Venator-Class Star Destroyers, those ships are way smaller than Imperial-Class Star Destroyers, so it's presumably allowable within canon. Episode III also revealed that the Corellian Corvette/Blockade Runner is a WAY smaller ship than I'd previously imagined. I still don't like it, but I don't really have a good reason for contesting it within the internal logic of the fictional universe.
Dec. 11, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST
Naomi Watts and Billie Piper smushed together via a transporter accident?
by tangcameo
That's my guess.
Hey, it was either that or "John Harrison: 'Everybody betrayed me! I'm fed up with this world!'"
I never knew that.
Should have been Emma Frost. She would have been much better than the cold fish January Jones. So much more personality.
Dec. 11, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST
I don't have a problem with them being launched from the surface
by Chain
They have the ability to project an anti-gravity bubble around the ship. This enables the inertial dampeners to work. So basically inside this bubble the g forces that might rip a heavy ship apart would not apply.
Dec. 11, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST
The problem isn't that it's not plausible. The problem is that it departs from canon.
by Royston Lodge
Except for the USS Voyager, Trek ships have never been atmospheric and they've never launched from the surface. Supposedly, the saucer section of the Enterprise-D was designed to land and take off again from a planet (according to the Technical Manual), but we never saw it do that. If the Enterprise could always do this, then why have they never done it before? Surely there have been times in TOS or in the movies where the ability to land the ship would have been useful? It's kinda like the way the rules surrounding The Force changed in the prequels. If Jedi can do all this cool shit, why don't they do it ALL THE TIME? But, yeah, since the Kirk-era Enterprise is about the same size (if not a bit smaller) than the USS Voyager, it's technically plausible that it could land on a planet. It just feels wrong, is all. Can I borrow a feeling?
Hopefully they nail it this time.
I shallllll avenge you
Dec. 11, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST
Royston Lodge: but this version of the enterprise was built on earth and not spacedock
by heylookoverthere
so it pretty much has to be able to "lift off" no?
Pretty easy actually, thanks to shields and transparent aluminium
Dec. 11, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST
Good call for Sue Storm...not sure on the White Queen...
by Darth Macchio
She's perfect for Sue Storm but possibly to nice looking for Emma Frost (not nice as in 'pretty' but nice as in 'sweet and kind'). Although, I'd wager Eve's neighbor could do a better job as Frost over January 'I've got great boobs obviously - I don't have to actually worry about this acting stuff do I?' Jones. But she's all but 100% perfect for Sue Storm.
Dec. 11, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST
Alice Eve's horrible scream reminds me of Jim Carey
by Hardboiled Wonderland
I really don't find her attractive anymore.
Dec. 11, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST
Seriously, that scream is really offputting, it's horrid, a real gamebreaker.
by Hardboiled Wonderland
It would be very very interesting and pretty damn exciting to see Capt. April realized outside the Animated series and the novels. I don't care if Moriarty's right about him possibly being the villain or not. The mere thought that he could actually exist on screen in this universe at all is an awesome addition.
Wolverine. Or nsane Android Abraham Lincoln Could be!
Dec. 11, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST
Also, over on Moriarty's site, in the comments to the relevant article,
by Rob Hill
Fred Bronson Drew, as the writer of "The Counter-Clock Incident" that introduced Robert April, you've got me very excited. Would you like to hear about the conversation I had with J.J. about April during the filming of his first Star Trek? December 11, 2012 at 5:26PM EST
Dec. 11, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST
But to recap everything that has been "leaked" or announced....
by lox4444
JJ(I think) said "Benicio is not playing Khan" back when we thought Benicio had already signed, but then that weekend negotiations fell apart and we thought "So he was referring to the negotiations falling apart, not the actual role." Then 2 or 3 other Latino actors were up for the same part. Then a white guy from England is cast, and we assume it was Benicio's role that he landed. Then someone(Orci?) said it was a cannon character he's playing. Then Urban said Cumberbatch was playing Gary Mitchel, but later said he only said that because he was tired, which wasn't a retraction really(unless I missed something). Then trailer hits and he's speaking in a British accent. Then a photo is released announcing he is playing John Harrison. Then Moriarty announces that during his set visit, he saw concept art that referred to the gun Cumberbatch is holding in the trailer as "April's Gatling Gun". And it's out in the open, for all to see. Then the writer of The Counter-Clock Incident says he had a conversation with JJ about April. Whatever happens, you've almost got to admire JJ and Bad Robot for all of this. It's at least got everyone talking about the film.
Or so I'm assuming?
Little bit of an anticlimax though, ain't it? Still hoping there's some Mitchell in this thing. IMDB does refer to a "one man weapon of mass destruction" ...
Nice idea, but the couple being married were named Angela Martine and Robert Tomlinson.
. . . . . . Loki. *end spoiler* get in line now.
So, um ... Brad Yacobian? Or is that email address a coincidence?
Dec. 11, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST
"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." Oscar Wilde
by Rob Hill
There are geeks and then there are Uber geeks... :)
April's Gun? Where'd I miss that bit of insanity... LOL!
Dec. 11, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST
I still don't get why Moriarty didn't just flat out ask about it. Actually I probably wouldn't have asked either, I'm not really an alpha.
by lox4444
Hoping Villain is Garth of Izar, shapeshifter: Clues: He has the ability to heal someone's child by teaching them the cellular metamorphosis trick(although can you teach a small child it? Maybe he can also heal them)? Why would Spock do the vulcan LLAP dance with the man in the glass? What if the man had morphed into Spock's mother and threw Spock off balance? (although mommie's hands do look rather manly) Starfleet officer - Garth in disguise, but fully aware of star fleet procedure and equipment - could pretend to be a different officer. Fighting Klingons - if he can metamorphosize - that is, if his change in appearance is not simply an illusion he could theoretically make himself extremely strong. Anyway, probably not but it would be fun..
Dec. 11, 2012, 9:41 p.m. CST
This Article: Shatner to Play Captain April in Upcoming Movie ...written in YEARS ago...off base, but makes you wonder
by DARKJEDI
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/misc/trekxi_shatner.htm Somebody was thinking of Capt April a while ago...........
Dec. 11, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST
There will be no David Marcus in the alternate reality. Don't you see how wide Carol is opening her mouth?
by Al
Oddly, that "screaming" shot is how the movie ends. Cut to black, hear a wet plopping sound, people go home feeling the vague need to take a shower.
Dec. 11, 2012, 11:35 p.m. CST
Off topic...but I sure miss the days of theAsimovlives/boborci lunacy.
by conspiracy
We know where to find Roberto...but does Asimov still come around?
No Amok Time because VULCAN IS GONE! THANKS A LOT! Seriously, destroying Vulcan won't bring back the Romulan Empire or save it. And that "mining ship" being more powerful than any other ship going back in time, why not present it to the current existing Romulan Star Empire and get to work against their enemies? You may fire when ready. Of course this is Khan. We live in an age of mediocrities trading on the past glories of others. Reboots remakes sequels to films from 30 years ago. Reimagined as cgi video game fanboy jag fests. Yawn.
Dec. 12, 2012, 12:36 a.m. CST
Memory Alpha has an entry, up for deletion, about "John Harrison."
by kabong
It calls him a "Starfleet officer." <p> There is a close-up of BC in that dark Starfleet uniform, perhaps sitting in a captain's chair. <p> This indicates to me . . . I dunno.
but what it does, that defines it.
I love how people apply modern day technological limitations to futuristic sci-fi. So, internet forum supergenius, you say the engineering principles behind preventing compression and decompression are completely different? My counter to this, and brace yourself, because you're about to confront the horrifying reality of your complete and utter averageness...what exactly is stopping the Enterprise engineers from building the ship to withstand both? If this thing is built with the contingency that it may sometimes enter the atmosphere of other planets, I'm quite sure they would build it to withstand both increases, and decreases in pressure.
Had to watch it twice to see if it was really as artificial as I thought. I'm giving it the benefit if the doubt though, like maybe in the movie it happens because Cumberbatch points a phaser at her and says "scream." Or something.
I've been saying this for over a week. No one listens to me. Plus, I think that shot might be Garth in an asylum - and the official synopsis notes a "chess game," referencing the chess code in TOS episode. It's Garth, impersonating someone named John Harrison, whom he has replaced.
Dec. 12, 2012, 6:45 a.m. CST
JJ interview with MTV. Nothing earth shattering here, but he dropped a hint or 2 about the villain:
by lox4444
The whole thing, not just his backstory, but his agenda, his plan, his secret, all that is what, for me at least, makes him such a frightening and cool villain," Abrams said regarding Benedict Cumberbatch as John Harrison. "Also, the real villains — when they're not just two-dimensional, angry vengeful types — don't see themselves as the bad guy. They are the good guy and have complete rationale and motivation. So true to form, the character that Benedict plays has an absolute sense of right and wrong, and he's on the right side.
P rofessional R O E nterprise V oyager A ssistant D irector
Dec. 12, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST
REALLY!!?? People are NOW complaining about Alice scream. Give me a break. You guys really are stupid, obviously with nothing better to do then find flaws in EVERYTHING!
by peter
Stupid, stupid, stupid. Moronic even. I mean to NOW get all pissy about an actresses 'scream' can you just listen to yourselves. Seriously, sit back and think about your ridiculous statements.
for a while.
The reason TOS never did anything with Enterprise in water. It's not about science, nor has it ever been. Not really. The whole "We consult with scientists" schtick is like saying someone is an expert witness to a hammer murder, because I work at a hardware store. They talk to futurists and some engineers who write detailed but wildly speculative articles for Popular Science. Some may work for NASA, but it's a far cry from being certain about anything. Basically, ST has tried to shoehorn in just enough science to shut the nerds up. JJ isn't as terrible concerned about doing so. Therefore, you get blatantly unexplained things like building a spaceship on earth. Had a scene been thrown in explaining how it's possible, despite being speculative, it would have still been something to soothe the savage fanboy breast. But, JJ didn't then, and with the underwater trek, he's not now. So... sorry your not getting your "science" gobbledygook that brings the narrative to a complete screeching halt.
Dec. 12, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST
This Carol Marcus creates SEGA Genesis, just so you know. New timeline.
by T
That Scream was for seeing Cumby's Nintendo.
Dec. 12, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST
Enterprise could tunnel through core of planet using deflector shields.
by kabong
How much impulse power would that take?
And Scotty's tiny henchman.
Dec. 12, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST
ITS CHANNING TATUM COMING BACK FOR REVENGE AGAINST ALL THE HATERS!!! hahahahhahaha
by wannabedirector
fuk off
THE SPACE JOCKEY! There, someone had to say it.
Dec. 12, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST
I found the Alice Eve scream the most effective part of the teaser, even though I don't know why the hell she's so terrified.
by American Mythos
....would carry more weight if there wasn't even a wink or nod to Khan. Even if he isn't doing it, doing the whole misdirection thing, it is still bullshit. Eugenics, augments and Khan has already been done. It is an entire fucking galaxy of story fodder...its asinine to even consider going back to something that has already been done and done well. It'll force comparisons and take away from anything he even hopes to achieve. But I'm giving him too much credit. I almost woulda preferred an Enterprise spin-off at this point. Say what you will, but that series felt more 'Star Trek' than TNG, DS9, and VOY combined. And T'pol was by far the hottest female crew member in Star Trek history. For fucksake, just come up with something new.
Dec. 12, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST
Really? Alice Eve's "scream" face is what almost ruined the trailer for me...
by RedJester
Dec. 12, 2012, 6:02 p.m. CST
It's a trap! Why would Paramount reveal who it was before the 9 minute trailer that isn't supposed to reveal who it is, doesn't come out until Friday? I'm figuring someone guessed right and Paramount is trying to cover it up.
by kbarber29
The reviewer who's seen the 9 minutes even says that the 9 minutes even asks but never answers the "who are you?" to Cumberbatch. Paramount revealing the character before the trailer comes out doesn't make any sense. Why create a poster for a character most people don't care about?
equals I got nothing! Nothing! I don't care if infinite speculation drives up the dark matter prices!
Not a no ... ;) Trying to parse the uber geek reference ... help me out here. You mean Uber geeks sometimes register email addresses like firstname.lastname@example.com just to eff with folks? Or maybe I'm the uber geek for recognizing the name ... But how could I not when it's on the credits of almost every episode of the series everyone here clearly watches a LOT of. Scathing as some of the posts sometimes are about specific Trek episodes and even series, nobody posts here because they *don't* care ... Anyways if that's you, hats off.
Dec. 12, 2012, 11:48 p.m. CST
Hmmm. Will 9 minutes sate the thirst for spoilers or keep it strong?
by T
Can Vader be done again? Ever?
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