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Posted: Thu Jun 16th, 2011 12:52 am |
61st Post |
HankC Member
I found "In the South no opposition was allowed to the government which had been set up and which would have become real and respected if the rebellion had been successful." which is not quite the same as 'if left alone, the south would have established a real and respected nation.' HankC |
Posted: Thu Jun 16th, 2011 02:09 am |
62nd Post |
pender Member
President Davis letter ,The gray book. Page 36. Personal memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant. Two volume set. 1885. Sorry Hank, Dont see the difference.Key word, If the Rebellion had been successful. Bet you did not think Grant wrote it, Or anyway, A real and respected nation. Last edited on Thu Jun 16th, 2011 02:39 am by pender |
Posted: Thu Jun 16th, 2011 02:54 pm |
63rd Post |
Mark Member
Your choice of that quote from Grant intrigues me Pender... as I understand it, one of the tenants of the Lost Cause is that it was inevitable that the Confederacy would eventually succumb to overwhelming numbers of Federal men and equipment. Pretty much all of the early Lost Cause writers advocated this point of view. So, I'd like to pose that question to you, Pender: do you think that the Confederacy could have won its independence? I'm just curious how the more modern lost cause movement compares to the earlier one. Mark |
Posted: Thu Jun 16th, 2011 04:28 pm |
64th Post |
HankC Member
Is 'the gray book' the name of the book? Grant is addressing the recourse of the opposition in the south. The pro-union sentiment in the mountains is a good example. While the war continues, they can look to the US for sustenance and protection. If the south wins independence then the US has no legal or political basis to intervene on their behalf. Diplomatic pressure could be brought to bear (as by any country) but the CSA would be a 'real' country and it's laws and boundaries 'respected'. The quotation by Grant speaks nothing of his opinion of the *viability* of the Confederate nation. One hopes there is a difference between a real quotation, such as I provided, and a non-existent one, as you did. |
Posted: Fri Jun 17th, 2011 12:40 am |
65th Post |
pender Member
Thank you Mark, For your question. I would say,That I agree with the majority of the lost cause books, letters,and histories. Of the old south. I would also agree with their statments. The war was lost. Due to the man power,resources,and navy(etc). I would also argue that the lost cause was not a movement. But simply their histories. Modern lost causers. I can not speak for others,but me personally, I believe you could sum up my point of you in the postwar writings . Do I think the south could have won the war. Looking at all the above mentioned,I will say it is hard to phantom. The loss of the mississippi. The blockade. But I must say one figure comes to mind Stonewall Jackson. I know there is a lot of what ifs. And alot of speculation. But lets say he was not killed at Chancellorsville,took Culps hill at gettysburg,and won the battle. The southern army marches into Washington. This is all speculation I know. As panicked as Lincoln was about Washington. Would have he gave in if the whole southern army marched in. I know this has been short. Maybe later we can get into more detail. Let me ask you Mark,if you dont mind. What made you interested in this subject? Last edited on Fri Jun 17th, 2011 01:07 pm by pender |
Posted: Fri Jun 17th, 2011 01:30 am |
66th Post |
Texas Defender Member
Mark- You asked the question of pender: "Do you think that the Confederacy could have won its independence?" Now that he has given his response, I wish to give you my view. I believe that the answer is: "Yes." I believe that they had a viable chance when the war began. If they had made some different decisions, and if some circumstances beyond their control had gone differently, they might have been successful. I don't know which, if any, : "Lost Cause" theory you might ascribe it to, but as I have stated previously on this forum, I believe that the situation was still in doubt until November of 1864, three years and nine months after the establishment of the CSA in February of 1861. Since organized warfare began, wars have only been fought when both sides believed that they could somehow prevail. In the case of the Confederacy, they recognized the fact that they were the weaker side when it came to population, almost all categories of military equipment, and other types of resources. Southerners often compared their situation to that of the colonists in the Revolutionary War. They referred to their struggle as: "The War for Southern Independence," or "The Second American Revolution." They recognized that they could not win a total military victory against the north, just as the colonists could not win a total war against the British Empire. But in both cases, they had a chance to gain their independence by employing the classic weaker side strategy. That strategy was to continue the struggle and exact such a cost in blood and treasure that the stronger side would come to the conclusion that it was not worth the cost to continue the battle. The problem for the weaker side has always been to sustain its military forces in the face of a better equipped enemy. This was often done by employing irregular warfare, and avoiding decisive battles. In most cases where the weaker side eventually prevailed, it had to continue the struggle for a number of years. But the weaker side could not achieve its goals as long as the stronger side was willing to pay any price to persevere in the conflict. The Confederacy sought to make the northern people pay such a severe price that they would abandon the struggle. I would maintain that if the US president had been a less determined individual than Mr. Lincoln, the southerners would have achieved their independence. In my view, the matter was settled after General Sherman made his March, because it resulted in the re-election of Mr. Lincoln. By re-electing Mr. Lincoln, the northern people signaled their willingness to pay whatever price in blood and treasure that was necessary to achieve a complete military victory. At that point, the Confederacy was doomed to run out of the resources that it needed to continue the struggle. |
Posted: Fri Jun 17th, 2011 04:45 am |
67th Post |
pender Member
Hank, I Would like too say,before I begin. That under no circumstances did I suggest that Grant was sympathetic too the lost cause. What I Said was I thougt it was interesting that Grant wrote,that if the south was left alone it would become a real and respected nation. I was going by memory,as it had been a while since I had read them. I still stand by that sentiment. I think your exposition on Grants memoirs,is out landish,untruthful,and down right deplorable. As for your facts,we will let the members of the board decide. Though many would disagree,with my lost cause views. I think that after seeing the whole paragraph,there will be no doubt that Grant was indeed writing that about the Confederacy. And you had better believe I will quote this time. Grants memoirs.Chapter 68:"The arts of peace were carried on in the north. Towns and cities grew during the war. Inventions were made in all kinds of machinery. To increase the products of a days labor in the shop,and in the field. In the south no opposition was allowed to the goverment which had been set up.And which would have become real and respected if the rebellion HAD BEEN successful. No rear had to be protected. All the troops in service could be brought to the front to contest every inch of ground threatened with invasion. The press of the south,like the people who remained at home,were loyal to the southern cause." I see no recourse or Grant addressing any body. He is simply writing about the north and the south. The only pro union sentiment is in the figment of your imagination. All Grant is saying is there was no opposition allowed by the confederate goverment. The rest of the paragraph, explians this perfectly. My intent was to show that Grant,though he opposed the Confederate goverment. He respected alot of its people(see civil war journals:west point class mates).I think another good example of this is in Grants memoirs on Appomattox. Grants memoirs. Chapter 67:"When I left camp that morning, I had not expected so soon the result that was then taking place and consequently was in rough garb. I was without a sword, as I usually was when on horse back on the field, and wore a soldiers blouse for a coat. With the shoulder straps of my rank to indicate to the army who I was. When I went into the house, I found General Lee. We greeted each other and after shaking hands took our seats. I had my staff with me a good portion of whom were in the room during the interview. What General Lee's feelings were , I do not know. As he was a man of much dignity with an impassible face. It was impossible to say whether he felt inwardly glad that the end had finally come, or felt sad over the result. And was too manly to show it. Whatever his feelings, they were entirely concealed from my observation, but my own feelings, which had been quite jubilant on the receipt of his letter,were sad and depressed. I felt like anything rather than rejoicing at the down fall of a foe who had fought so valiantly and had suffered so much for a cause. Though that cause was,I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse. I do not question, however, the sincerity of the great mass of those who were opposed to us."I believe this sums up Grants feelings on the matter. To answer your question. Yes the name of the book is THE GRAY BOOK. I would like to give you a couple more quotes before 1860 to ponder on.Quote: Any people whatever have a right to abolish the existing goverment and form a new one that suits them better.(Abraham Lincoln congressional records,1847)Quote:If the union was formed by the accession of states,then the union may be dissolved by the secession of states.(Daniel Webster U.S. Senate Feb 15 1833) Now in closing I would like to ask a question. Since you just post facts. I would like to hear your fact on this.(though I think your facts are flawed.) After the war, If the union was fighting to free the slaves. Why not free the slaves, take them north. And let the south go in peace. If to preserve the union, that the south did not want to be a part of. WHY? All the north has wanted to do is vilify the south. Make fun of. Call us liars. Always show the north was good. The south was bad. Why not be separated? If we are so dumb,Why would you want us in the union? Never under stood that. No Pro northerner would ever provide an non existent quote. Just please dont tell the southerners under Reconstruction. Pender Last edited on Fri Jun 17th, 2011 04:54 am by pender |
Posted: Fri Jun 17th, 2011 03:48 pm |
68th Post |
HankC Member
Pender, You seem to have difficulty with quoting sources. Yours is: "In the south no opposition was allowed to the goverment which had been set up.And which would have become real and respected if the rebellion HAD BEEN successful." The actual qoutation is a single sentence ( no period between 'up' and 'and' ). The sentence's subject is the 'opposition to the government' and anything occuring later in the sentence refers to the subject(the 'opposition'). It could also mean that Grant believed in the two-party system and that the 'opposition' (hereto suppressed) that would become 'real and respected', but I doubt that is his meaning. There is a fundamental difference between a 'government' and a 'nation'. Governments (and their authority) come and go; nations continue. Grant says nothing of a confederate 'nation'. That word is inserted in your imaginery quotation. In general, in response to your final few sentences, the North believed the 2 sections are stronger united than apart... HankC |
Posted: Sat Jun 18th, 2011 02:08 pm |
69th Post |
Mark Member
Hi again Pender. Sorry for the late response. I've been rather busy at work lately. Thanks for the response. I am interested in how you view the war as a self-described Lost Causer because how Americans in general remember the Civil War fascinates me. In response to your last couple comments to Hank... The attachment to the "Union" is a concept difficult to understand in a nineteenth century context. However, remember that Americans of that time believed that the United States was quite literally the last best hope of mankind in a world overrun by aristocratic monarchies. This sediment was as acutely felt in the South as in the North--both believed that they were the heirs of the American Revolution and protecting the future of democracy and humanity. That is why even most Southerners had such a difficult time making a final break from the Federal Union. If the American experiment failed, the small flame of democratic government would be snuffed out and probably never relit. I hope that helps your understanding! Mark |
Posted: Sat Jun 18th, 2011 05:27 pm |
70th Post |
pender Member
Thank you Mark,for your response. I know what you mean about work. It has been pretty busy on my end too. I Would agree with you whole hearty that the southern men had a difficult time leaving the union. I have just read my favorite generals account of it William Dorsey Pender. As with Pender he went to many relatives and friends about the matter before he made his choice. But once the choice was made they fought with their whole heart. As for how most americans view the war. I would say the public school system has alot to do with it. As you know it is mostly learned in northern light. Or should I say a view that supports a unionist version. The reason I told right up front on these post I believed in the lost cause point of view. Is so the members of the board will know where I stand. If they agree or not. And we can discuss why we believe what we do. I view the war as a struggle for Independence. If I had to give the war a name I would entitle it Lincolns war. For if the north had not invaded the south,there would have been no war. The south would have peacefully left the union. I know that some would argue the firing on Fort Sumter, would be the reason for the invasion. But, I Would argue that Fort Sumter was Southern soil. The fedreal garrison could have left peacefully. Just as today we would not want a foreign power to occupy our borders or bases. So the south did not want a foreign power to occupy its soil. The main cause a southerner fought was to repel invasion.That is why, I would call it Lincolns war. Or Lincolns war of aggression. After the war southerners, wrote of their struggles, battles and causes. Which was quickly countered by the radicals. As you know history is wrote by the victors. As far as American Democracy. In the aftermath of the civil war(Lincolns War). I would argue that it was Dictatorship. Before the war it was a union of the consent, the union after the war is one of force. After the war, we where nothing more than a nothern province. Or you could say slaves, because we where held against our will. May be this will help you understand in a little more detail, my views of the war. Mark as this discussion board is a good way to learn of other peoples views. I would like to ask you? How your views on what I Have wrote would differ. Not for arguement, but I as you said I am interested in the other side of the coin. I would like to ask you and Texas Defender also on your thoughts on Grants memoirs. As I am sure you two have seen those post. I can see no pro union seniment in the paragraph. And believe Grant is indeed refering to the Confederacy,as would have became real and respected. As I told Hank, I am not arguing that Grant supported the lost cause in any shape or form. But that he did, write that about the Confederacy. I would like your thoughts,and also Texas Defenders thoughts on it. If indeed Grant means the southern nation. I would not like to know this for no reason, but if that is what Grant meant or not,the truth. Am I missing some thing in this memoir. If both of you would be so kind as to respond. Now me and my son shall declare war on the grass. Pender Last edited on Sat Jun 18th, 2011 07:22 pm by pender |
Posted: Sat Jun 18th, 2011 07:01 pm |
71st Post |
Texas Defender Member
Mark- It hardly seems like a credible selling point for the: "Last best hope of mankind" when the: "Future of democracy and humanity" must be: "Protected" by forcing literally millions of unwilling people to stay cobbled to it at the point of a bayonet. |
Posted: Sat Jun 18th, 2011 11:22 pm |
72nd Post |
Mark Member
TD-not if you believe that those millions of people have been hoodwinked and hijacked into secession by a aristocratic planter class (I'm not saying that is true, but that was the prevailing wisdom of most northerners until about mid-1862). Beyond that, you have the rule of law. As most northerners saw it, if the rebellion was allowed to succeed, it would prove to the world that men could not govern themselves and the American experiment with democracy had failed. If the states could withdraw from the Union at will, it could only end in the complete balkanization (to use a 20th century phrase) of North America and eventually anarchy and despotism. Once again, I'm not saying that is a true characterization of what would have happened, and I'm not commenting on the constitutionality of secession (if pressed I would say that most of the founders probably would have supported the right of secession-at least in their lifetimes). I'm just trying to explain why the Northern people would not allow the South to depart peacefully. Pender, I've yet to get out my copy of Grant's book and find the quote, so it would be silly of me to comment on it without seeing the context. I'll try take a look at it later this weekend. Cheers all! Mark |
Posted: Sun Jun 19th, 2011 12:23 am |
73rd Post |
Texas Defender Member
Mark- I agree completely that many in the north actually believed those things. That they could is an indication to me that my ability to understand the minds of 19th century men will always be limited to some degree. |
Posted: Mon Jun 27th, 2011 01:48 am |
74th Post |
pender Member
I would like to get back to the thought of my first post on this thread. I think we would all agree the southern men were out numbered, out supplied, and out gunned. Especially, toward the end of the war when the union troops were carrying the seven shot spencer rifles. How could it be a lost cause myth? Look at the difference in just the supplies. Our southern boys were almost starved at Petersburg and Atlanta. As an example, of man power, the sixteenth N.C. started out with 1200 men when they left Raleigh. They took heavy casualties at Seven Pines battle. At the Seven days battle the regiment had a force of 721 men. Its casualties were 33 killed and 199 wounded. At second Manassas 8 killed and 44 wounded. The regiment had 6 killed and 48 wounded at Fredricksburg, 105 casualties at Chancellorsville and at Gettysburg. Of the 321 left, thirty seven percent was disabled. And the overland campaign had not even begun. General Grant had not even took command yet. And there was not alot of the sixteenth boys left. The reason I gave a little history of the sixteenth N.C. is because it was a typical confederate regiment. The confederate army was bleed to death. To say the south was not over matched in man power, equipment, supplies(etc). And to call this a lost cause myth, to me is absurd. Also one of the things I have found researching this subject is one of the first things attacked, was when the ladies began to decorate the graves of confederate soldiers. I considered this grasping at straws. Alot of the ones that began the lost cause myth idea or unionist point of view use the decorating of those graves as the begining of the lost cause movement. ( I never believed there was a movement.) How could someone possibly attack that. Even today don't we decorate our loved ones graves. And most seem to say that Edward A. Pollard and Jubal A.Early was the beginning of the post war lost cause writers. Early came out with a book in 1866, attacks began on these two men. Almost as soon as their writings were read. As I just read Early's book a couple of months back, I thought it dealt mostly with th 1864 valley campaign. The only lost cause mentality I saw in the book was maybe, in the preface. After reading from the detractors of the book, I thought it would be oozing with lost cause dogma. But, at any rate,how could a southern man say anything that would be correct? When there is so much differance in what you beleive according to geography. And also, in pro unionist books. Such as, Gary Gallagher and Allen Nolans book "The Myth Of The Lost Cause And Civil War History." I felt as if the book done nothing more than demonize southerners. The same old, same old! The north was good, the south was bad. Seems to me, the agenda of so many of these books is to stamp out everything southern. And erase it completely. Total bias. Especially in more modern books and documentaries. Such as the History Channels "Gettysburg". Every time a southerner was shown we had to be told he was a slave owner. Though it was probably truthful, what about the other 80% of confederate soldiers? (probably, closer to 92%) Who were not slave owners? Were we watching the battle of Gettysburg or the politics of slavery? It is agenda pushing. Or consider, PBS Ken Burns "Civil War". Out of the total length of the film, what did we get from the confederate side? Maybe an hour? If that? We were shown the Lookout Mt. and Missionary Ridge battle for how long? Second Manassas battle, a total confederate victory, what two minutes? Total bias! Such as Gary Gallagher's attack on Shelby Foote, (Civil War Times) because Foote thought Forrest was an unique genius. Shelby Foote was one of the most unbias historians of our time. He just presented history and pushed no ones agenda. His only fault was praising a southern general. I think most modern writers would come out better on the "lost cause" issue, if they would present both sides. Then, let the reader decide! Instead of pushing there agenda. One of the fairest accounts of the confederate soldier was given by union hero, Joshua Chamberlain, at the surrender at Appomattox. Chamberlain said, "before us in proud humiliation...the embodiment of manhood, men whom neither toils and sufferings, nor the fact of death, nor disaster, nor hopelessness could bend from their resolve... thin, worn, and famished, but erect, and with eyes looking level into ours.... bound us together as no other bond." Pender |
Posted: Mon Jun 27th, 2011 07:12 pm |
75th Post |
Mark Member
Pender, I don't think anyone is arguing that the Confederate armies were virtually always outmanned and outgunned on the battlefield and generally preformed heroicly throughout the war. The question is, was defeat inevitable? The orginial lost cause writers like Early and Gordon argued that the inbalence in materiel and manpower made it impossible to win, and the important thing to take away from the war was Southern valor against impossible odds. I would suggest that those writers were wrong in their assessment and that he Confederacy had several important advantages such as war aims and geography. I think it is concievable to see the Confederacy achieving its independence as late as the Northern elections of 1864 (note how quickly the Confederacy crumbled after it was clear that the war would continue as long as Lincoln was in office). The Confederates were simply unable to use their advantages to overcome the Federal advantages in numbers and industry. Mark |
Posted: Tue Jun 28th, 2011 03:51 pm |
76th Post |
HankC Member
"After the war, If the union was fighting to free the slaves. Why not free the slaves, take them north. And let the south go in peace. If to preserve the union, that the south did not want to be a part of. WHY? " This is an interesting point, but begs the question: why should the freed slaves leave? After all, they are on the 'winning' side. why not keep the freedmen and kick out the white confederates? The short answer, of course, is they *all* are Americans and the south is their home. No one is forced to leave. no gulags are created, there are no trails of tears or forced migrations. In 1865, new rights are given to many, which also means new responsibilities are given to others to respect those rights... HankC |
Posted: Wed Jun 29th, 2011 12:41 am |
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HankC wrote: "After the war, If the union was fighting to free the slaves. Why not free the slaves, take them north. And let the south go in peace. If to preserve the union, that the south did not want to be a part of. WHY? " I did not say the slaves should have been taken north. My question was why did the union not take them north? Point being ,if they were so concerned about them. Why not take them and help feed and educate and help them get their new life started. It is my understanding that Lincoln wanted to send them back to Africa or colonize them. As he did not believe the white and black race could live together. As far as kicking out the white confederates, I would asume the north did not want to contend with guerrilla warfare. If you will study the near ending of the war,a great concern of the union was Lee and Johnston disbanding their armies for guerilla warfare. It was suggested by General Edward Porter Alexander. So I believe if you try to kick out confederates from their homes you would have yourself a guerilla war. I think it interesting that most slaves stayed on with their fromer masters as share cropers. Imagine that,staying on with them ol mean slave owners. Had the freedom to go north and they stayed south. Seems strange also you called the south their home. Would not have figured you would have called them slave huts a home. Also why would the south want to respect any northern puppet goverment. Set up during reconstruction,after being stripped of all their rights. Forced as slaves to stay in a union they wanted no part of. Pender |
Posted: Thu Jun 30th, 2011 01:40 am |
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"I think it interesting that most slaves stayed on with their fromer masters as share cropers. Imagine that,staying on with them ol mean slave owners. Had the freedom to go north and they stayed south. Seems strange also you called the south their home. Would not have figured you would have called them slave huts a home. " Interesting question. Why are North Dakotans returning to their flooded homes? Why do the folks in Joplin rebuild their tornado-devestated houses? Why did Katrina victims put their lives back together? |
Posted: Thu Jun 30th, 2011 03:42 am |
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and for that matter, why did Scarlett return to Tara |
Posted: Thu Jun 30th, 2011 08:24 am |
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Where was it I recently saw or heard it said that either during or after the war there were free blacks who said they prefered the racism of the South to that of the North because they at least had it in their face in the South and could better deal with it whereas in the North there was no way of telling what you faced for the racism until it was sprung on you. That might be a partial explination why so many former slaves remained in the South. Another being that's all they had known so though they were now free the status quo didn't really change. |
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NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro discuss the politics of President Obama's gun legislation proposals announced this week.
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NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro discuss the politics of President Obama's gun legislation proposals announced this week.
the politics of Obama's gun legislation
The Department of Homeland Security is directly under Obama's control. They just purchased enough ammo for their "assault rifles" and handguns to kill every man, woman and child in the US five times over!
Now Obama wants to use executive orders to deny guns and ammo to non-government civilians.
That is exactly what Hitler did in the mid-to-late 1930's. Then, just as now, the citizens didn't think the coincidence was significant.
We ignore the lessons of history at our own peril.
While I applaud the essence of what the president and vice-president are trying to do, I'm just not convinced that the end results will be what everyone is hoping for.
Obviously there is no simple remedy to prevent the tragedies we have become almost callous about. Guns are here and probably here to stay.
Making a national waiting period will probably help, but only to a degree. But I am in favor of it if it could save even 1 life and I have no doubt it will.
Perhaps the next step would be to increase the taxes on gun/ammo sales to such a degree (such as cigarette taxes) might help to curb certain sales. Increase the sales tax on the guns/ammo to such a degree that it may dissuade some of the purchases. Use the extra tax to help educate people or to go toward other resources that could help eliminate the problems we all face.
HAPPY B-DAY MICHELLE OBAMA! You are truly a national treasure
Now Obama wants to use executive orders to deny guns and ammo to non-government civilians.
Cite a source. That and comparing the President to Hitler? Paranoid or what?
I do have a question for all of the paranoid tyrannical crazy posters - when exactly is your civil war going to start and do we have to get shirts so that we all know who's on what "side" exactly or do you all just "know?"
The citizens in this country support gun control. The people that own guns responsibly support gun control. The man I live with has several and they are locked up and taken out when he hunts or target shoots. He is very supportive of gun control. That and he loves his grandchildren and wants them to be in a safe and secure world where the entire population is not armed to the hilt claiming they are the "militia."
Dennis - the Number of rounds just purchased by the DHS is 1,600,000,000! That's five bullets for every man, woman, and child in the country.
I am looking for your LINK to the rounds of ammo purchased by DHS that is enough to kill all citizens 5 times over.
Accidently left off a couple zero's above ... Sorry
Dennis, Columbus, Ohio I am looking for your LINK / citation to the rounds of ammo purchased by DHS that is enough to kill all citizens 5 times over.
"Below you will find the lists of solicitations, hyperlinked to their pages located at http://www.fbo.gov.
The following filters were used:
US Coast Guard and Secret Service were not accounted for. The USCG rarely requested ammunition, and the Secret Service were mainly "Award Only" notices. No amounts of ammunition could be obtained.
Any "Award Notice" only entries were omitted due to the lack of needed information.
In the first chart, you find the hyper linked solicitation, the total number of rounds requested, and the agency requesting the ammunition. Of all of the sub-departments, only Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) ordered ammunition outside the filters discussed above."
The Department of Homeland Security is directly under Obama's control. They just purchased enough ammo for their "assault rifles" and handguns to kill every man, woman and child in the US five times over!
Lord, that has been going round and round for almost a year. First it was 450M, then 750M, then 200M more, then 1.4 billion, and now I guess it is up to 1.6B or T or whatever. Why is this relevant? Why does the Navy buy ships? Why does the Army buy bullets? Why does the Air Force buy ships? Why do we build enough nuclear bombs to destroy the world 30 times over? What does any of this have to do with gun control?
Any site that begins with a quote from Hitler is clearly biased.
Your link gives the total purchased over the past 8.5 years.
How much of that is used for practice?
How much is used to replenish supplies that expired?
Studies-polls show that White, non-college educated men by the largest numbers don't support an assault weapons ban. Something is wrong here.
Dennis, he's lifting it from Natural News http://www.naturalnews.com/035607_government_checkpoints_Martial_Law.html And Alex Jones' InfoWars. http://www.infowars.com/if-obama-is-opposed-to-guns-why-did-his-administration-just-purchase-1-6bil-rounds-of-ammo-and-sniper-rounds/
They're crackpot conspiracy theory websites that list all kinds of incredible stories under labels like "Big Brother", "Police State", and actively promote Doomsday Preppers as reasonable people. Here's an excerpt;
#1 Why are sales of physical silver coins breaking all sorts of all-time records? The U.S. Mint is on pace to sell more silver eagles during the first month of 2013 than it did during the entire year of 2007.
#2 Why has Germany announced that it will be moving gold from New York and Paris to its own vaults back home? Is this a sign of a breakdown in trust among global central banks?
#3 Why is China systematically hoarding gold?
#4 Why have billionaires such as George Soros and John Paulson been hoarding massive amounts of gold?
#5 Why are billionaires buying up so much ranch land up in Montana?
#6 Why is Russia warning that we are rapidly approaching a global "currency war"?
#7 Why has Barack Obama chosen this moment to launch an all-out attack on the Second Amendment?
#8 Why does Barack Obama want doctors to ask their patients questions about firearms?
#9 Why is there an incredibly severe nationwide ammunition shortage all of a sudden?
#10 Why has a bill been introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives that "would ban Internet or mail order ammunition purchases"?
Yeah, that's a credible source.
I agree with what you are saying about reasonable gun control limits. I won't go so far as to call people tyrants or paranoid however. Just because people don't agree with our thoughts doesn't make them either tyrants or paranoid in my opinion.
Eliminating assault weapons and the magazines that go with them is not only reasonable, but necessary. There is no reason for any citizen to own such.I can only pray that the current outrage being felt inn this country will enact more reasonable legislation to prevent the ownership of assault weapons. Moreover I hope that a stiff jail sentence will go along with any such legislation that would keep people in procession of such weapons away from everyone trying to live a safe life in this country.
United States: 30,000 firearms related homicides and suicides per year.
Canada (Homicides by any method):
In 2009, 610 deaths.
In 2008, 611 deaths.
Time to address the gun death problem in the United States. WE CAN DO IT. WE HAVE TO.
Kannin . . .
Read the article. While yes, bullets have been ordered, it wasn't from the Department of Homeland Security. Also, I can't remember if it was Colbert or Jon Stewart last night discussing this issue but have you noticed that law enforcement agencies are being quiet regarding all of gun control recommendations? Interesting . . . .usually that means support.
nomoresameo . . . .
I couldn't agree more with your post. I sincerely want to know about those that post the reason they own guns are to take back the government. Why? Most people own them for sport shooting and hunting. Stockpiling for an upcoming war - I find interesting.
OK nomoresameo - that is truly funny. Although most of us know your double post is most likely caused by the pesky FR gremlins, one could think your double post is an act of paranoia.
... comparing the President to Hitler?
Hey Layton... How do you like my avatar? (freedom of speech you know)
kannin - Now I see why you are against all the things President Obama proposed. With the mental health issues you have, you wouldn't be allowed to own any firearm.
SickOf.... with every post you make you show you truly are Sick!
@SeekingSanity: kannin - you truly are Sick!
As always SS, I appreciate it when you attack me, rather than addressing my arguments. It is your clear admission to all that my post is entirely accurate, and that you have no valid counter to any part of it.
Sick of ...
I find that far more amusing and informative than your avatar and/or posts.
Kannin - you have no arguments to address. Your posting is ridiculous and you have nothing to back it up so yes, I'm attacking your ignorance and stupidity. If you actually BELIEVE your posts you truly need professional help!
And, if your reading comprehension skills were better you'd see that the comment about being truly SICK was directed at SickofTheBickering. You CAN read, right????? I didn't say Kannin you are truly Sick. Please get someone to explain to you!
now, now ... those fascist cats will soon be trotting all the mice off to the ovens to make pies ... yummy, purrrr, sub-species mouse pie.
What am I supposed to do shiver in my boots. Ooh the boogie man of the government is coming for us. Please spare me the BS. I am sure you and your arsenal will protect you from that rocket the government has aimed at your anal sphincter. You may chose to live in fear, I do not. As FDR said, "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself".
Knowing where Obama stand on anything is easy. The wrong side. He can't help himself but make poor choices. He knows no better.
Truely Pathetic. Worst ever.
rukidding - what is pathetic is every candidate the Republicans have run during the past two elections. Must really suck to be on your side and know that the President is a genuinely good man who walks circles around the clowns you choose!
The Republican party is truly pathetic! Worst EVER!!!!
Sick of ...
I find that far more amusing and informative than your avatar and/or posts.
Those are pretty funny ;-)
Lets see, shortage of guns, shortage of ammo, shortage of tin foil. Yep, Obama sure is good for the economy. Just set the nuts loose buying stuff they don't need.
In Ohio districts, as an example, 75% of Representatives elected are GOP. If half the money the DNC spent on Obama had been spent on congressional races in Ohio at least 3 additional Democrat representatives would have been elected which would have been a 6 vote swing in the House. In my view Obama still would have carried the presidential race in Ohio since districts where GOP congressional candidates won were districts where Obama lost anyway.
The DNC put too many eggs in the Obama basket.
The guns stance by Obama yesterday will anchor all GOP representatives to the Congress for years to come, and should cause growth of GOP representation in 2014. Bucking the Second Ammendment rights held dear by over 200 million proud, voting, American gun owners will be more galvanizing than even Obamacare in 2010.
The Department of Homeland Security is directly under Obama's control. They just purchased enough ammo for their "assault rifles" and handguns to kill every man, woman and child in the US five times over!
Yup, here comes them black gubmint heel-o-copters to take my guns (chuckle). Kannan, you are hilarious if not tragically paranoid, What is with you guys and your fantasies of mythical evil g-men hell-bent on busting down your door...and all 300 Million doors no less? Nuts!
And the ammunition thing.....so I take it your ok with Defense Cuts, then?
Question of the day....Is it a Civil War if only 5% of one side wants one?
Hey Layton... How do you like my avatar? (freedom of speech you know)
Sickl Of Bickering, Why is it I feel nervous that your 1st instinct for humor on a Gun discussion is to deface a black president with a Hitler mustache.
The Department of Homeland Security is directly under Obama's control. They just purchased enough ammo for their "assault rifles" and handguns to kill every man, woman and child in the US five times over!
So...why would they want to kill everyone 5 times? A bit counter-productive, don't you think? What rationale do you have for thinking that is what the government is plotting. You 2nd Amendment zealots really need to get over yourselves, sorry, but your just not on the g-men's priority target list as much as your fantasies would have you wet dreaming over.
Is it a Civil War if only 2% of one side thinks there is one?
Scott, as I pointed out elsewhere you cut and pasted that same comment NO ONE IS COMING FOR ANYONE'S GUNS.
There's a reason the GOP did poorly in 3 of the last 4 elections and UNDERPERFORMED expectations in the supposedly transformative 2012 elections.
Monday morning quarterback all you want. Democrats held the WH, increased their majority in the Senate, and made substantial inroads in the House. The gun regulations proposed by the President are common sense things supported by majorities...in many cases substantial majorities. The NRA remains powerful but the people don't want to be constantly surrounded by random people packing loaded guns. We don't want to live in 3:10 to Yuma. Life isn't a Western movie.
How thrilling it must of been for those children yesterday, the looks on their faces were PRICELESS!
It's encouraging to see these young ones get involved with politics... they are our future!
Sadly, Christina Taylor-Green will no longer have that chance...
How disgusting it was for those children yesterday, to be propped up on that stage and USED by Obama to further his agenda.
SickOf - as usual, your sick rantings have no merit. The children who stood with President Obama had written him after the Sandy Hook shootings, telling him of their fears and asking him to help. Their parents were there and approved of their children being present for the announcement.
How like you to attack small children - it's all you have!
[How disgusting it was for those children yesterday, to be propped up on that stage and USED by Obama to further his agenda.]
Maybe you can ask their parents if that is the case, but I suspect you'll just tuck tail and run.
Is Rush President?
Nah just Der Freischütz for 14.5million listeners per week
Cowards like our friends Caser A and SickOf can't seem to realize that not everything Obama does is because of some evil agenda. They listen to Rush spout off his "entertainment" and aren't smart enough to weed out bull droppings from the truth. They are so much fun to read and chide. Keep up the good work guys it would be dull here without you.
Those kids ought to be writing letters to Obama asking him why their Dads don't have jobs and why they had to move out of their house when Mom and Dad lost the mortgage.
But that's not what their parents told them to write , now is it?
How thrilling it must of been for those children yesterday, the looks on their faces were PRICELESS!
Hell yes. They got the day off school and all their friends could see them on TV last night. What kid do you know who wouldn't have a "priceless" look on their face? They, I am sure, were damned happy to be there.
The children who stood with President Obama had written him after the Sandy Hook shootings, telling him of their fears and asking him to help.
And I am sure they all wrote the letters while laying in their beds that night ALL by their lonesome with no coercion from the parents.
[Those kids ought to be writing letters to Obama asking him why their Dads don't have jobs and why they had to move out of their house when Mom and Dad lost the mortgage.]
So, Captain Cupholder...did you ever write that letter thanking President Obama for bailing out the auto industry so YOU can keep YOUR job "designing auto interiors"?
Do tell...
Talk to the Hand - don't have a clue, do you? So, you just write nonsense and don't realize how utterly idiotic you appear!
Cowards like our friends Caser A and SickOf can't seem to realize that not everything Obama does is because of some evil agenda
Ironic im a coward as you post that behind your computer. Not everything he does is evil..just most.
[Ironic im a coward as you post that behind your computer. Not everything he does is evil..just most.]
Now that's rich...but as you say:
Pot, meet kettle.
What is apparent, caesar, is that you have become everything you despise. How does that feel?
Again... how's everyone like my fine new avatar?
Oh yeah... just a little tid-bit for you know-it-all from the left... personally, I have not listened to Rush for about 10 years. (unless you are talking about the band from Canada... they rock!)
Mickey, Captian Obvious, seriously How often if at all i call people cowards and pussies? tisk tisk tisk mr. glasshouse.
What is apparent, caesar, is that you have become everything you despise. How does that feel?
So you saying im a liberal like you now? Self loathing will ensue rest assure my Proletariat friend. Do keep your chin up
[How often if at all i call people cowards and pussies?]
What I said is true...but keep up the straw man argument that "my words are worse than your words", Mr. "Independant"...LOL...now that was funny. You fool no one.
Now go ahead...call me a hypocrite and tuck your tail and run.
[So you saying im a liberal like you now?]
Again, too much you assume, ObiWan.
How thrilling it must of been for those children yesterday, the looks on their faces were PRICELESS!
"The only time Democrats WON'T use children as a backdrop is at a pro-choice rally" - Greg Gutfeld
That better SS.
Talk to the Hand - no, you still have no clue - about anything. If you've ever seen photos of pro-choice rallys you would see that most have children there. See, pro-choice recognizes the woman has the choice and most women choose to have their children. We just don't put women down who have to make a difficult decision to terminate a pregnancy. But, of course you don't have a clue - you just spout off - as usual!
As usual you post your igorance for all to see!
Hi Seeking, The old republican party of the past has become the GOP cult of the present. If they don't change they will fade even more.
Well with that said, let's see what an enlightening day of sharing wisdom, intellect, and utter relevant contributions you have made today SS.
Kannin - you have no arguments to address. Your posting is ridiculous and you have nothing to back it up so yes, I'm attacking your ignorance and stupidity.
BitT73 - if your father hunts with the guns you are describing he is not a hunter and any true sportsman would refuse to "hunt" with him! And, idiot, no one is "Against guns" we ar …
Q22 - the first time you made your post you looked stupid. Posting again doesn't change that. You still look stupid!
SabotandHeat - how many times do you plan to post your stupidity? We already know you're looking for the boogeyman under your bed at night and are dumb enough to believe what you Chris Never a Rhodes Scholar - no one EVER expects intelligent conversation from you.
Lambo123 - no the joke here is you. The teleprompter stupdity again? You truly are an idiot. EVERY President in modern time - including Regan - has used a teleprompter.
blearyeyed - it's totally useless to try to reason with the ignorance showed here by Michael-595198 and others.
Zathrose - nah, your ignorance is definitely NOT due to the liberal influence. It's all the far right and your dumbing down really took, didn't it? Home schooled I'm guessing????
Zathrose - again, your ignorance is clearly a result of conservative "education" - oxymoron if I ever heard one. Your ignorance is your problem - don't make it ours!
And once again since you cannot comprehend what you read, I said backdrop. You said:
If you've ever seen photos of pro-choice rallys you would see that most have children there.
BTW, would you please put me on ignore so that I don't have to read your worthless enlightening opinion on mine? Thanks.
Mickey you keep dancing around with those 'beliefs' and your new 'strawman' shiny. enjoy your circular reasoning im sure it will always keep you on the 'right' side of history.
Again, too much you assume, ObiWan.
Assume or draw conclusions. kinda well like you.
Talk to the Hand - oh dear little boy - you can actually put me on Ignore and that will solve your problem. I realize that is beyond your comprehension but try to figure out how it works.
Oh, I totally comprehended what your wrote. I merely pointed out that children actually are PART of pro-choice rallys - too bad you don't comprehend!
Strange that you are so fixated on me.
[Mickey you keep dancing around with those 'beliefs' and your new 'strawman' shiny]
Well, that's what it is, isn't it? You manage, on any given day, to hit upon all the Fox "news" talking points and straw-man ideological and emotional topics.
caesar, you can paint it tittie-pink and glue nipples all over it, it's not gonna change the fact that its a Fox "news" talking point, and you know it...at least you should...you're one of "dem dere big brained-job creators", right?
You ooze talking points, my friend.
[Strange that you are so fixated on me.]
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Talk to the Hand - I love your compilation of SeekingSanity's childish insults and ignorant rants.
Thanks Kannin. And she has the audacity to call others trolls when all she does is troll to look for an opportunity to demean as shown. I don't believe I have ever seen her start a thread or thought. Just waits for an opportunity to call someone idiot, moron, uneducated and blah blah blah.
If she weren't just on articles on FR (with FR on the top of the page) like nbc's US Politics and the like (still FR threads) Sally or Tyler would have banned by now. Those two don't like the breaking of the COH and especially calling people idiots and the like.
You raise an interesting issue Talk to the Hand. On the the one hand, having her suspended, would mean that we would no longer have the mild irritation of her puerile nonsense. On the other, potential liberals read her posts and ask themselves: Is this really the group I want people to associate me with?
The Constitution was written by men who were surely smart enough to realize that permitting citizens to be well-armed would, sadly, permit a madman to murder innocents by the handful. But they also realized that forbidding citizens from being well-armed would permit a madman to murder innocents by the millions.
They wisely chose to protect our country from the far greater evil.
Citation Please !
Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 97th Cong., 2d Sess., The Right to Keep and Bear Arms, 83-109 (1982) concludes that:
"The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution Guarantees an Individual Right To Keep and Bear Arms"
If any of you dispute this fact, read on. The same report goes on to explain:
The right to keep and bear arms was not created by the Second Amendment; rather, this basic individual right, developed in England before this continent was colonized, pre-dated the constitution and was part of the common law heritage of the thirteen original colonies.
Sir William Blackstone, an authoritative source of the common law for colonists and, therefore, a dominant influence on the drafters of the original Constitution and its Bill of Rights, set forth in his Commentaries the absolute rights of individuals as: personal security, personal liberty, and possession of private property, I Blackstone Commentaries 129, these absolute rights being protected by the individual's right to have and use arms for self-preservation and defense. As Blackstone observed, individual citizens were therefore entitled to exercise their "natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression." Id. at 144.[1] Clearly evident in this statement is Blackstone's recognition that the exercise of an individual's absolute rights could be imperiled by a standing army as well as by private individuals, a view supported by his observation that "Nothing ... ought to be more guarded against in a free state than making the military power ... a body too distinct from the people." Id. at 414. To prevent such an occurrence, Blackstone not only believed in the individual's right to have and use arms, but further believed that for its defense a nation should rely not on a standing army, but the citizen soldier. Plainly, for such a concept to be a reality, it was necessary that all able-bodied males possess and be capable of using arms.
Blackstone was not alone in his view that the common law recognized the individual's right to possess arms: in his Pleas of the (p.84)Crown, Hawkins noted that "every private person seems to be authorized by the Law to arm himself for [various] purposes." 1 William Hawkins, Pleas of the Crown, ch. 28, Section 14, p. 171 (7th ed. 1795). In agreement with Blackstone was Sir Edward Coke who wrote that "the laws permit the taking up of arms against armed persons," 2 E. Coke Institutes of the Laws of England, 574 (Johnson & Warner, ed. 1812).
It was within this legal tradition of the individual's right to have and use arms for his own defense and self-preservation as well as to enable him to contribute to the common defense, that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was struck. The British, by attempting to seize large stores of powder and shot, sought to deny the Massachusetts colonists the ability to protect their absolute rights. The colonists retaliated by exercising their common law right to keep and bear arms, using the very arms which the British wished to render ineffective.[2] It is beyond question that prior to the Second amendment the common law recognized a fundamental individual right to keep and bear arms, subject only to a certain limited police power to regulate the bearing of arms so as not to terrify the good people of the land. 4 Blackstone Commentaries 149.
Dennis - the Number of rounds just purchased by the DHS is 1,600,000,000! That's five bullets for every man, woman, and child in the country.
This is no longer a 2nd amendment issue. It is a constitutional issue.Our children are getting killed under the care of the state.This does not "insure domestic tranquility or promote the general Welfare" of "The People" As noted in line 1 of the US constituion.
DHS has 221,000 men and women who are on the front lines every day protecting citizens. There are over 200,000,000 guns in private hands. At just one bullet per gun that makes in the neighborhood of 100 rounds that could be aimed at each armed member of the DHS. Of course this number is much larger as many gun owners have more than just one bullet. The more likely number is 1000 rounds aimed at each of these under gunned poor folks.
Now Kannin is quoting the work of James J. Featherstone, Esquire, General Counsel, National Rifle Association of America. http://www.guncite.com/journals/senrpt/fgd-guar.html It's merely the position of the NRA, not anything with credibility beyond that and not at all something that has the standing of stare decicis.
No one is trying to take away anyone rights. I myself own two hand guns and have a concealed gun license, and I support the Second Amendment. However, I don't support the NRA because all they are trying to do is gin up their base with fear. So what if every proposal made by the President became law. It would not affect my rights.
It's sad that the children and teachers from Sandy Hook like thousands of others have every year have been denied, Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, because we allow guns into the hands of people that should not have them.
Come on people, show some common sense and stop being so Insecure in your man hood.
This is no longer a 2nd amendment issue. It is a constitutional issue.Our children are getting killed under the care of the state.
Oh brother, then just go back to wiping your butt with your hand and other regressive neanderthal living. Your paranoid de-evolution is quite amusing to witness. Guns over people, paranoids with guns wet dreaming over a civil war aginst the'gubmint' and the commies in their midst if the g-men in the black helicopters dont show...(chukle). What a country
America is laughing at you.
Pass the popcorn
We parents in particular will ensure that reps and senators who do not vote in favor of the President's proposals will not be re-elected. The media just doesn't get it yet. And take the polling of NRA vs, Entertainment.
To say the NRA is more popular than entertainment skews the message and implies the NRA is popular (over 50%). They are not and will continue to lose popularity as their ad campaign moves forward.
Banning assault weapons won't infringe on our right to keep and bear arms.
Banning magazines larger than 5 rounds won't infringe on our right to keep and bear arms.
Banning semiautomatic weapons won't infringe on our right to keep and bear arms.
Banning weapons with muzzle velocities greater than 500 fps won't infringe on our right to keep and bear arms.
Banning weapons with calibers greater than .177 won't infringe on our right to keep and bear arms.
Banning weapons with rifled barrels won't infringe on our right to keep and bear arms.
At what point will this nonsense stop?
Who's banning calibers greater than .177 and all rifled barrels?
I realize you live in a world where professional wrestling is real and the lunar landings were fake, but the rest of us would like some confirmation of that.
You misunderstand, John. My point is that once you start banning firearms characteristics on an arbitrary basis, and claiming there is no infringement on 2nd amendment rights, you open up the door to arbitrary restrictions of any type.
Even a set of restrictions that amount to total disarmament of the people.
So you admit you're just spreading lies...that's a start.
Meanwhile, you can't get a machine gun without jumping through lots of hoops...that's a restriction of your Second Amendment rights.
You can't get an RPG...that's a restriction of your Second Amendment rights.
You can't get a tank with live barrel...that's a restriction of your Second Amendment rights.
Come to think of it you can't get an antitank rocket either...that's a restriction of your Second Amendment rights.
So what you're doing there is called "argument of the beard", a logical fallacy. I have 5 o'clock shadow at the end of the day. 5 o'clock shadow is caused by whiskers. If I have whiskers then being poorly shaven must be the same thing as having a beard.
We have a long history of reasonable restrictions on Second Amendment rights. That's fact. It hasn't prevented the American people from holding nearly as many guns (privately) as their are citizens.
John B . . .
I realize you live in a world where professional wrestling is real and the lunar landings were fake, but the rest of us would like some confirmation of that.
That made my afternoon!
Let me suggest a firearm limitation that I think anyone can get behind:
"People may keep and bear the same, or equivalent, arms as those provided to police and federal agents."
Since the main purpose of the Second Amendment is so the people have a final check on the power of government, that purpose is satisfied when the people are armed as well as the government.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I've thoroughly perused the above but can't seem to find where it says that. In any case I have 3 words that prove otherwise -- John Brown's Rebellion.
Tench Coxe, "Remarks On The First Part Of The Amendments To The Federal Constitution," 1789: "As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
Congratulations, you found a quote from one little-known attendee to the Continental Congress who said something that appears to back up your assertion.
Where does it say that in the Amendment?
It's worth noting that Coxe was arrested for his Royalist sympathies during the Revolutionary War and seen by many as a Tory throughout his life.
While the Constitution refers to bearing arms it doesnot clearly define arms. They could mean a pitch fork or a sword. They could mean a muzzle loading muskett or a high powered modern military assault weapon. It is our responsibility to define what firearms one can and cannot have. Just as one has the right to free speach and free press we do not have the right to slander or libel anyone. That is a sensible limitation on the right of free speach and right of free press. So the proposal of the Administration are sensible limitations on the 2nd Amendment. I would, as I belive most people would, oppose an all out ban on any and all firearms but the sensible use and storage of firearms should be allowed.
Fireworks used to be commonplace on July 4 where one could set off roman candles or bottle rockets but because of some irresponsible individuals causing harm to people and property said fireworks have been banned. Even the so called safe and sane firewarks are banned in many communities because irresponsible idiots misuse them. So it is with firearms. Were it not for incidents like Sandy Hook Elementary School, the Cinema in Colorado, the mall in Oregon and the like we aren't likely to have been having this conversation. The gun industry has been lax in controling how their product is used, communities have done little or nothing to curb violence and a very poor effort has been made to ensure that mental health concerns are met.
No one wants to take away your right to bear arms but to ensure that people are safe and sane in the use and storage of them.
Adler-273784 - Just as one has the right to free speach [sic] and free press we do not have the right to slander or libel anyone.
The first and second amendments guarantee your rights to your voice, a printing press, and arms. How you use those may be regulated by legislation. Just as your voice or printing press may not be banned by legislation, however, so too your guns may not, constitutionally, be banned.
You're admitting the rights expressed in the First Amendment are parallel in nature to those in the Second Amendment. You admit that your rights under the First Amendment are subject to reasonable regulation, therefore by extension your Second Amendment rights must ALSO be subject to reasonable regulation.
Again John, whereas your rights to free assembly, your voice, a printing press, and firearms are absolute and guaranteed by the Constitution; your behavior in using those tools may be regulated by law.
Your right to ANY WEAPON YOU CHOOSE AT ANY TIME IN ANY PLACE is also regulated by law.
If you think I'm wrong try to find someone to supply you with RPGs or a surface to air missile. I'll watch for your real name to be revealed on the news.
The NRA would have a lot more members, if it wasn't for the $25 annual dues! I believe in what they stand for, but I'd rather use that $25 to buy more ammunition while it's still available in the stores.
I just joined the NRA two days ago---that was $25.00 well spent. We need a group to stand up against Obama and his new "dictatorship."
80 year old woman - too bad you wasted your money on such a worthless group that really doesn't care about anything but selling guns so the manufacturers who run the NRA can continue to make money!
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