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Turkish Medical History of the Seljuk Era
Professor Ali Haydar Bayat*
Table of contents1. Some History: the Great Seljuk era2. Medicine during the Turkish Seljukid period3. Hospitals4. Medical education5. Physicians and their work6. Epidemics7. The Practice of folk medicine8. Further resources
1. Some History: the Great Seljuk era
The Oguzlar, who were a part of the Gokturk Empire that was disbanded in 744 CE, had settled in an area that was under Samanogullari's rule in Maveraunnehir, Harezm and Horasan. However, after a dispute, Seljuk Bey migrated with his followers to the banks of the Ceyhun River (present Oxus River). After they won the war of Dandanakan against the Gaznelis, the Seljuks established the Great Seljuk State in 1040 and conquered vast lands in the neighborhood, covering large regions from the Middle Asia to India, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Anatolia [1].
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Figure 1: Prof. Dr. Ali Haydar. (Source).
The scientific and civil life of the Great Seljuk state cannot be separated from the Islamic civilization. During this era, although born and raised in Turkish states, medical great names like Ibn Sina and al-Biruni, who wrote their works in Arabic, the scientific language of the era, were real heroes of the Islamic scientific tradition. In an era when the idea of community was more important, it was not expected to question the scholar's nationality. Thus, the scientists were able to travel, settle, teach and carry on scientific and medical investigation without any political boundaries. This was a very common feature for this era.
To quote just few names, among the famous names pertaining to this tradition were Ibn al-Tilimdh, Abu 'l-Barakat al-Baghdadi, Ibn Jazala. Ibn al-Tilmidh worked for the Sultan Sancak [2], whilst Sultan Mesud's physician Abu Al-Barakat from Baghdad worked in the palace and had been awarded once with a hilat, a robe of honour [3]. During the era of the Sultan Meliksah, there were such physicians as Saîd b. Hibetillah, who wrote Kitâb al-Mugni fi al-Tibb and Ibn Jazala who wrote Kitâb Taqwîm al-Abdân and Minhâj al-Bayan fî mâ Yasta'milah al-insan [4]. Abdullah ibn al-Muzaffar al-Bahalî from Andalusia had been the physician of Mahmud, the son of Sultan Meliksah [5]. One of the most important books on pharmaceuticals that was written in this era was Kitab al-Abniye 'an Haqâyik al-Adwiya [6].
Hospitals that existed in the Muslim world before the Seljuks were developed and spread by them. However, we have little information on Seljuk hospitals. Among these there are the hospitals and madrasas that were built by order of the vizier to Sultan Sancak, Ahmed Kâshî, in Kâshan, Ebher, Zencan, Gence and Errân [7], hospitals in Kirmân (1281) and Berdesir (11th and 12th centuries) [8], and care centres for the blind and disabled in Mosul (1159). Additionally the vizier Kunduri, upon the order of Tugrul Bey, restored hospitals such as the hospital al-Adhudi built by Adhud Al-Dawla in Baghdad [9]. They also created field hospitals for the military, where camel- earned physicians, medical personnel, provided the wounded with medicines and medical supplies [10].
The Turkish Seljuks, in the beginning, acted as the western arm of the Great Seljuk State, but then became independent and created their own identity. The science of medicine in the era of Turkish Seljuks was not of their own but a continuation of the experience, tradition and knowledge of the Islamic medicine which they helped spread through the Seljuk territories.
Figure 2: A map showing the Great Seljuk Empire at its height, upon the death of Malikshah in 1092. (Source).
2. Medicine during the Turkish Seljukid period
After the victory of Alparslan in Malazgirt (Manzikert) in 1071, the doors to Anatolia opened for many Turks to migrate through. By the 13th century, Anatolia had become the homeland to one third of the Turks. Even Europeans started to call Anatolia by the name of "Turkey".
As Anatolia was an economical bridge between east-west and north-south, the economic and political policies of the sultans caused an economic rise of the region. Among the measures edited were: the lowering of the customs tax, the absence of taxes from wheat and metalwork, the guaranteeing of the safety of the international trade routes and the caravanserais on them, the safety provided to the traders. Therefore, the income of the country grew parallel to the agricultural and industrial production [11]. The budget of the state was 27 million dinars (gold), compared to 3 million in France and 4 million in England [12]. The treasury that was stored was used for making public works.
It is in this context that we understand the following statement by Ibn Havkal in the 10th century: "In the Islamic countries, the rich are spending their money for their own pleasures, where in Turkistan the rich population is using their wealth for religion and charity [13]." From his part, Ibn Battuta remarked in the 13th century: "Abundance in Damascus, compassion in Anatolia [14]." With these favorable factors, Anatolia, which knew a period of trouble and confusion in the previous period, started to experience an economic and cultural growth not seen before [15]. Cities, whose population exceeded one hundred thousand on important caravan routes like Konya, Kayseri, Sivas, became important centres. Mosques, madrasas, soup kitchens for the poor, lodges for the dervishes, bridges, inns, hammams and hospitals were built, and the social status of the people was raised. Especially during the reign of Kilic Asian II and Ala Al-Din Keykubat, many scientists and artists were invited to live in Anatolia, and these men, by moving in temporarily or permanently, helped the progress of sciences and arts.
Figure 3: The Kharaghan twin towers, built in 1053 in Iran, are the burial place of Seljuq princes. (Source).
Among the architectural works that have survived to the present, those that are important for medical history are the dar al-shifa-s (hospitals) that prove the civilized status of the Anatolian Seljuks.
3. Hospitals
During the Anatolian Seljuk times with its economic growth and cultural progress, hospitals called dar al-shifa, dar al-sihha or bimâristan were opened in every city. Medical assistance was given to those who got sick at caravanserais [16], and soup kitchens were create for the poor. The hospitals that were built by the royal family and supported by foundations were able to do their duties over a long period without becoming a financial burden on the state. Medical treatments were given free of charge and physicians, ophthalmologists, surgeons and pharmacists worked in these hospitals. Some of the many Seljuk hospitals that have made it to the present are as follows:
Figure 4: Ince Minareli (founded in 1258) Madrasa in Konya and Sifahiye Madrasa (founded in 1217-18) in Sivas, both in Turkey. (Source).
The two buildings were connected by a corridor that was 1.5 x 11 meters; the hospital was 40 x 42 m (1680 m2), and the madrasa was 28 x 40m (1120 m2). Both sections had a plan that included a pool in the middle, a courtyard that was surrounded with pavilions and four antechambers. Together with the rooms around the courtyard, 18 cells that were discovered in the latest excavation on the western wall of the hospital were restored. As it was traditional among the Anatolian Seljuks to bury the founder of the place in the complex, one of the rooms in the medical madrasa with an octagon pyramid roof was built for Gevher Nesibe's grave.
The hospital was built like a madrasa with antechambers and a courtyard. The 690m2 courtyard was covered with stone and surrounded with 30 rooms with porches. The mausoleum of the donator, Izzeddin Keykavus, which is located inside the hospital, was built with the special Seljuk art of brick lying and mosaic tile.
The foundation deed, dated 1220 CE, is the only example from the Seljuk hospitals that has survived to the present. This is why it is very important. From this foundation deed, we are able to gather information on the hospital staff and how the hospital was run. The administration of the hospital foundation was given to the palace treasurer and founder of the Cankiri hospital, Cemaleddin Ferruh. The administrators decided on the wages of the experienced and well performing physicians, surgeons, ophthalmologists and pharmacists, and provided the raw material for the making of medicine. They also decided on the wages of the various workers in the hospital. Five farms, 7 pieces of land and 108 shops devoted to the foundation covered an area as big as a couple villages and the money generated from these economic resources was used in maintaining the hospital. The leftover money was used to buy more income generating resources [17].
Figure 5: Tile assemblage from the first half of the 13th-century Seljuq Anatolia. Composite body, overglaze-painted, its dimensions being 9,3 inches (23.3 cm). This composite tile formed by smaller elements to create a hexagon probably originates from the palace of 'Ala' al-Din Kay-Qubadh (reigned in Konya from 1220 to 1237). © The Metroplolitan Museum of Art, New York. (Source).
The third hospital in Konya was commissioned by one of the viziers of Izzeddin Keykavus II, the religious judge Izzeddin Muhammed. The complex had a mosque, a madrasa and a hospital. The hospital unit was funded from revenues from the Kestel and Kocmar villages near Kadinhani. In 1254, when Izzeddin Muhammed reorganized the foundation, the hospital was referred to as Mâristân-i Atik.
We do not have much information on the hospital that was established in Aksaray circa 13th century.
Besides being a hospital complex, it was also known as a place that trained physicians. We have information about the physicians that were assigned there during the Ottoman era. Some of these physicians were Shukrullah (1488), Sabuncuoglu Serefeddin (after 1465), who worked here for ten years and created many valuable pieces of work for Turkish medical history, and Halimi (1516).
According to the 14th century writer Omari, there were over 300 thermal springs that the public used for healing purposes. The most famous was the Ilgin hot springs built by Ala Al-Din Keykubad in 1236 on top of the thermal springs that had been known about since the time of the Roman Justinian. This hot springs area that has remained intact along with its inscriptions consisted of two hammams with a pool under its domed roof [18]. We can also mention the other hot springs of the time as follows: Agamemnun in Izmir, Haymana, Kizilcahammam in Ankara, Cardak (1175) in Eskisehir, Yoncali (1233) in Kütahya, Kizozü/Aslanagzi (1256) in Havza, Karakurt (1135) in Kirsehir, Ilica in Erzurum and Karakaya in Ayas [19].
Figure 6: Gevher Nesibe Sultan's statue. (Source).
Hammams also played an important role in the development of health areas during the Seljuk time. Many hammams were built by foundations, sultans and statesman for the public, for both men and women [20].
4. Medical education
In the Islamic world, in the Mustansiriye Madrasa in Baghdad, other than the professors teaching Islamic science, the existence of sheikh al-tibb professors that taught 10 students [21] and the announcement that medical classes were being given in the Mansuriyye and Muayyadiya madrasas in Cairo, show that medicine was taught in some of the madrasas. Also, Nuaymi's introduction of three medical madrasas in Damascus (Dinvariyya, Dunaysiriyya ve Labbudiyya), illustrates that although they were few, there were independent medical schools [22]. Private lessons were also given. Damascus physicians Muhazzab Al-Din and Muhaddab (1232) had left instructions that after their deaths their homes and books were to be used for medical studies [23].
There is no proof that medical classes were given in Turkish Seljuk madrasas. The Seljuk hospitals in Anatolia, on one hand being a health facility, were also places where physicians were educated through a master-apprentice relationship. Two documents regarding the appointment of physicians in hospitals have survived to the present. In one of these, the physician Burhan Al-Din Abu Bakr, who was appointed to succeed on the death of physician Izzeddin of the Konya hospital was told to take care of the sick with kindness and compassion, not to discriminate between the sick and the insane, and that his salary would be paid by the foundation of the hospital. The second document stated that Serafeddin Yakûb being a talented physician, he was to be appointed to the hospital, that he should not mix the medicines together other than what was stated in medical books, that he should not discriminate between the rich and the poor, and that he should enlighten the students with precise proofs during their education at the hospital [24].
Figure 7: Gevher Nesibe Sultan Madrasa in Kayseri, Turkey.
5. Physicians and their work
We are able to gather information on the Turkish Seljuk physicians from history books, publications, literature, and from their writings that have survived to the present. Although some present publications state that the position of head physician was given, there are no documents to prove this [25]. Seljuk rulers appointed some of the valuable physicians for their own health problems when they saw fit.
From sources that have survived until now, we can see that in the Anatolian Seljuk era, due to developments in the medical field, there were many physicians active in the cities. Especially during the rule of Kilic Arslan II and Ala Al-Din Keykubad, there were many physicians invited to Anatolia. Because of their wide range of knowledge, their reputation and intellectual personalities, some physicians were sent on political missions to foreign countries by their administrators (for instance, Abu Bakr bin Yusuf) [26].
Figure 8: Divrigi Gok Madrasa and Dar al-Shifa complex in Sivas, Turkey.
Some of the physicians worked in hospitals, but some of them travelled from city to city, practicing medicine. For example, the physician Saduddin Mes'ud, in a letter he wrote to a friend, mentioned going to Sinop, Kastamonu, Amasya and Niksar to heal patients and that he longed to return but that he had to go to the Canik area to cure some patients. We learn from the narratives of Evhadudduddin Kirmani that in Anatolia there were ear cleaners that travelled with a copper flask that contained oil and alcohol [27], similar to the quack eye physicians that roam the same areas today performing cataract operations.
Well known physicians with good reputations were addressed as: "Malik al-Hukama', Sultân al-Atibbâ, Aflâtun al-Dahr, Bakurat al-'Asr, Masîh al-Zaman, Fakhr al-Milla wa-l-Din... " [28]
There were many physicians who created works during the Anatolian Seljuk era, who were invited by the rulers to come to Anatolia temporarily to do their job. Some of these physicians are as follows:
Adviyat al-Adviya: A book on pharmaceuticals, the gathering of medicines, how to store, burn, cook and use the formulas of ink medicine and how they are made.
Ihtisaru Fusuli al-Bukrat: An Arabic copy of Hippocrates' Aphorisms.
Kifayat al-Tibb: This work consisted of two books and 224 chapters. It was written in Persian and was presented to Meliksah.
Risala fi Sharh Ba'zi al-Masail- li-Asbab and 'Alamat Muntahabe Min al- Qanun: It is a pamphlet that explains the reasons and symptoms of illnesses, using examples from Ibn Sina's Qanun.
Other works include Sihhat al-Abdan, Takdîm al-'ilac and Bezrekat al-Minhac, Rumuz al-Minhac and Kunuz al-'Ilac and Lubab al-Asbab [33].
Other than these physicians whom we know about from their works, there are also those who we know about from their being in the sultan's service such as: Hasnun, Faridaddin Muhammed Câcermi, Izzeddin ibn Hubel, 'Isâ, Carrah Vasil, Ebu Salim b. Keraya, Safiyuddevle, Rakkali Ridvan bin Ali (1247) [39], Resü'laynli Takiyeddin Abu Bakr [40], and Erzincanli Ala Al-Din [41]. There are those who had also been mentioned for being around the Sultan, such as Sarafaddin Ya'kub, Burhanuddin Abu Bakr, Sa'duddin Mas'ud, Badraddin ibn Hariri, Bedruddin Ceriri, Shamsuddin b. Hubel, Fahruddin Abu Bakr Ahmed b. Mikail bin Abdullah Konevî. There were also those physicians who had been temporarily invited to come to Anatolia. Abdullatif bin Yusuf el-Bagdadi, who had been invited by Ala Al-Din Davutshah of the Mencunuk at a high salary, wrote many books when he was in Erzincan [42]. It is also known of a physician in Konya named Mevlana Emir Hasan [43]. There was also Gabriel, Urfali Hasnun (1227) and his student 'Isa, Harputlu Shamon and Ahron who worked in Malatya. From libraries that kept written works in Sivas, Erzincan, Konya, Aksaray, the copied works of great physicians prove that there was a dynamic and active scientific life in these areas [44].
Figure 9: The gate of Ala Al-Din Mosque in Konya, Turkey.
It is understood that a portion of these scientists had a very active life. For example the physicians from Konya Fahreddin Abu Bakr Ahmed bin Mika'il bin Abdullah and Fahreddin Abu al-Barakat bin Abdussalam bin Mansur Mardini [45], pharmacist Kutbeddin Sancar bin Abdullah Atik es-Sahib Ala Al-Din Ata el-Melik Cuveyni er-Rumi, had moved to Tabriz from Anatolia [46]. After the battlefield loss in Kosedag in 1241, there was a lot of activity in the Eastern cities and the physician Imaduddin Malati and other scientists moved from Malatya to Konya [47].
During Seljuk times, medicines were prepared and sold in herbal stores (attar). The medicines were prepared accordingly to the medical books and the main ingredients consisted mainly of plants from Anatolia. The rest of the raw material was obtained from India and other Islamic countries through the Spice and Silk Roads. Hospitals and caravanserais had their own little pharmacists [48].
6. Epidemics
Throughout history one of the greatest disasters humankind has seen are epidemics. In their most critical times, they have killed millions, causing people to migrate, paralyzing work forces, agriculture and stockbreeding decline, creating numerous negative effects on the economy. The worst epidemics of the Middle Ages were the plague, black death/peste noir, peste, pestis in the West, ta'un in the Islamic world and kiran, olet among the Turks.
Because Anatolia is a bridge between the East and West, it has seen many epidemics throughout its history. The first great epidemic was seen in the Mediterranean countries during the 6th century, called the Justinian Plague. It lasted three years and destroyed a great number of the population it hit. There are no records of the deaths and destruction in Anatolia but just in Istanbul about 16,000 died per day, which gives an idea of its destruction.
There were many epidemics in various places where the Seljuks ruled that came from Anatolia and foreign countries. Mostly epidemics started after military campaigns, sieges and famines. The main epidemics were: the plague that started in Istanbul; during the time of Suleyman Shah I (1078), killing 160,000 in four months; during the time of Kilicarslan I (1093), during the siege of Antakya, during the First Crusade (1098) when just from the French military 100,000 died; during the time of the Danismand ruler Melik Muhammed (1143), an epidemic in Malatya first killed poultry, then humans, mostly small children; during the military campaign to Cukurova of Mesud I (1153), a part of the Seljuk and Konya military; during the rule of Kilicarslan II (1178) a plague due to a famine in Syria, Iraq, Diyarbakir and Ahlat, the people were not able to bury their dead in time as the rate of death was too high; during the Third Crusade (1189), the French army had many casualties due to an epidemic stemming from the heat and famine; during the rule of Ala Al-Din Keykubad (1221), an epidemic in Konya, in 1244 in Malatya, in 1259 in Syria and in Anatolia due to a famine; and the Mongolian invasion that took place at the same time brought an epidemic in Mardin and Meyyafarikin (Silvan) that caused immense damage.
The reasons for the epidemics were not known, and they were explained by supernatural causes, as the people tried to stop the epidemic material and spiritual ways. In the Christian world, sacrifices, magic, religious ceremonies were performed and miracles were expected from saints. In the Islamic world they obeyed the saying of Prophet Muhammed: "Do not enter a place of plague, and do not leave it," creating a quarantine, but as they did not know the cause of the epidemics other from trying various medicines, they also tried superstitious beliefs [49].
Figure 10: Picture of Sultanhan on the Konya-Aksaray Road: the main portal, the stalactite arch of the main portal, an inscription detail, and the side arcades of the main portal. Source: Miniaturk-Istanbul.
7. The Practice of folk medicine
In Anatolian Seljuk society, as it has always been over time, the people attempted to cure diseases apart from science, by going to sheikhs for religious (Tibb-i Nebevi), magical and practical solutions.
We are able to follow the folk physicians, like all social life of the era, through the writings about Mevlana Jalal Al-Din Rumi and his environment. Examples of folk medicine are: recitations by sheikhs for inability to hold urine, boils, malaria; writing words of ailment on cloves of garlic and almonds for swallowing; drinking water containing a piece of paper with religious writings; fumigating with dog hair; in the case of eye diseases having the sheikhs rub their fingers on patients eyes with their saliva while praying; and for broken bones canting religious words over the broken bone; wiping with the palm of the hand for ablution; reading or writing religious words over the skin with boils and warts.
Other than the already mentioned methods of treatment, herbal remedies were also used in scientific medication that was also used by the people. For example, garlic for prolonged fevers (allium sativum) or honey made into a paste; myrobalan (fructus myrobalani citrinae) for diarrhea; a mix of honey and vinegar to lower fever; honey, garlic and yogurt for colds; eating of raw turnip to strengthen the eye; scammony plant for constipation; myrobalan roots (radix scammoniae) for diarrhea; theriacs for intestinal pains; visits to thermal baths for skin diseases; drinking watered wine for reaction to weather changes; opium milk for over sleeping (opium, succus papaveris); hot springs for leprosy; blood letting for colds and visits to a hamam [50].
The most important part of the Anatolian Seljuk medical practice for Turkish cultural history is probably that it started to put medical practice into Turkish, and within the paradigm of Islamic medicine, the first Turkish works were produced. This started in 1233 when the physician Baraka moved from Harezm to Anatolia and translated his own book Tuhfa-i Mubârizi, that he had written in Arabic into Turkish, and continued during the Beylik (principality) era when works written in Aydinoglu, Mentese, Karesi, Candaroglu Beyliks were in Turkish [51].
8. Further resources
The articles published on www.MuslimHeritage.com on the Seljuks' art, culture, history and knowledge:
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[2] Osman Turan, Seljuklular Tarihi ve Turk-Islam Medeniyeti, Turk Kulturunu Arastirma Enstitusu, Ankara, 1965, pp. 243-244.
[3] Nihat Keklik, Türkler ve Felsefe, Istanbul, 1986, p. 76.
[4] Ibrahim Kafesoglu, Sultan Meliksah, Istanbul, 1973, p. 172.
[5] A. Süheyl Ünver, " Selçuklular Zamaninda Seyyar Hastahanenin Müessisi", Turk Tip Tarihi Arkivi, vol. 18, Istanbul, 1940, pp. 70-71.
[6] Bedi'ullah Debiri Nejad, "Seljuklular Devrinde Kültürel Durum", Erdem, III, 8, Ankara, 1987, p. 489.
[7] Nasruddin Kirmani, Nesaimu'l-Eshar (edited by. Celaleddin Urmevi), Tehran, 1338, p. 65; Osman Turan, Seljuklular Tarihi ve Turk-Islam Medeniyeti, Turk Kulturunu Arastirma Enstitüsü, Ankara, 1965, p. 250.
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[9] Mehmet Altay Koymen, Tugrul Bey ve Zamani, Ministry of Culture, Ankara, 1976, p. 121.
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[11] Osman Turan, Seljuklular Zamaninda Türkiye, Turan Nesriyat Yurdu, Istanbul, 1971, p. XXVI.
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[16] Osman Turan, "Celaleddin Karatay, Vakiflari ve Vakfiyeleri", Belleten, vol. XII, No. 45, Ankara, 1948, p. 58.
[17] Ali Haydar Bayat, "Anadolu Seljuklu Hastane Vakfiyelerinin Tek Ornegi Olarak Sivas Darüssifasi Vakfiyesi", Turk Kulturü, vol. XXIX, No. 333, 1991, pp. 5-19.
[18] Ali Haydar Bayat, "Anadolu Seljuklu Donemi Darussifalari Uzerine Toplu Bir Degerlendirme", I. Uluslararasi Seljuklu Kültür ve Medeniyeti Kongresi, Bildiriler, I, Seljuk University, Seljuklu Arastirmalari Merkezi, Konya, 2001, pp. 121-148.
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[26] Kamal al-Din ibn al-Adim, Bughyat at-Talab fi Tarikh Halab, edited by Ali Sevim, Turk Tarih Kurumu, Ankara, 1976, p. 94.
[27] Mikail Bayram, "Anadolu Seljuklulari Donemi Tababeti ile ilgili bazi Notlar", Yeni Tip Tarihi Arastirmalari, vol. 4, Istanbul, 1994, p. 151.
[28] Hasan b. 'Abdi'l-Mu'min el-Hoyi, Ghunyetu 'l-Katib ve Munyetu at-Talib Rusumu ar-Resail ve Nucümu'l-Faza'il, by Adnan Erzi, Ankara University Faculty of Theology, Ankara, 1963, p. 13.
[29] Cevat izgi, "Anadolu Seljuklu Tabibleri", III. Turk Tip Tarihi Kongresi, Istanbul 20-23 Sept. 1993, Bildiriler, Turk Tarih Kurumu, Ankara, 1999, p. 220-221.
[30] Ali Haydar Bayat, "Mevlând'nin Dostlarindan Tabip Ekmeleddin Mueyyed el-Nahcuvâni", III. Millî Mevlana Kongresi [Konya, 12-14 Dec. 1988] (Tebligiler), Konya 1988, pp. 231-262.
[31] Feridun Nafiz Uzluk, "Anadolu Seljuklulari Hekimlerinden Zeki Oglu Ebubekir 'Sadr-i Kunevi'", Ankara Tip Fakultesi Mecmuasi, vol. 1, No. 3, 1947, pp. 91-99; German version: "Ebubekr der Sohn des Zeki, Gennant Sadri Kunevi ein Ariz aus Zeit des Anatolischen Seldhukkenmiches", Acta Medica Turcica, vol. I, No. 2, Ankara, 1949, pp. 29-37; Abu Bakr ibn al-Zaki, Rawzat al-Kuttab wa Hadikat al-Albab, editd by Ali Sevim, Turk Tarih Kurumu, Ankara, 1972, pp. 51-52 (139-149); Feridun Nafiz Uzluk (pub.), Mevlana'nin Mektuplari, Sebat Basimevi, Istanbul, 1937, pp. 21-25; A. Suheyl Unver, "Turk Tip Tarihi Hakkinda M. Cevdetin Bibliyografyasi", Muallim M. Cevdet'in Hayati, Eserleri ve Kütüphanesi (by. Osman Ergin), Bozkurt Matbaasi, Istanbul, 1937, p. 632; Cevat Izgi, "Anadolu Seljuklu Tabibleri", III. Turk Tip Tarihi Kongresi (Istanbul 20-23 Sept 1993), Bildirileri, Turk Tarih Kurumu, Ankara, 1999, p. 229.
[32] Cevat Izgi, "Anadolu Seljuklu Tabibleri", III. Turk Tip Tarihi Kongresi (Istanbul 20-23 Sept. 1993, Bildirileri, Turk Tarih Kurumu, Ankara, 1999, pp. 225-226; Cevat Izgi, "Gazanfer et-Tebrizi", Turkiye Diyanet Vakfi Islam Ansiklopedisi, XII, Istanbul, 1996, pp. 433-434.
[33] Cevat Izgi, "Anadolu Seljuklu Tabibleri", III. Turk Tip Tarihi Kongresi (Istanbul 20-23 Sept. 1993), Turk Tarih Kurumu, Ankara, 1999, s. 212-219; Cevat Izgi, "Hubeys et-Tiflisi", Turkiye Diyanet Vakfi islam Ansiklopedisi, XVIII, Istanbul, 1999, pp.. 268-270; Mikail Bayram, Baciyan-i Rum, Konya, 1987, p. 40; Claude Cahen, Osmanlilardan Once Anadolu'da Turkler, translated by Yildiz Moran, E Yayinlari, Istanbul, 1979, p. 248.
[34] Cevat Izgi, "Anadolu Seljuklu Tabibleri", op. cit., pp. 224-225.
[35] Idem, p. 228.
[36] Idem, p. 229.
[37] Idem, pp. 219-220; Emine Uyumaz, "Sultan I. Aldeddin Keykubad Döneminde Anadolu 'da Hekimlik Yapan Bazi Tabibler", Yeni Tip Tarihi Arastirmalari, vol. 4, Istanbul, 1998, pp. 153-156.
[38] Ibn Abi 'Usaybi'a, 'Uyun al-Anba fi Tabakat al-atibba', al-Dar al-thaqafiya, Beirut, 1987, vol. II, pp. 334-336; Osman Turan, Dogu Anadolu Turk Devletleri Tarihi, Turan Nesriyat Yurdu, Istanbul, 1973, p. 120.
[39] Ibn Bibi, El-Awâmir al-'Ala'iyye fi 'l-'Umuri 'l-Ala'iyye (facsimile), Türk Tarih Kurumu, Ankara, 1956, p. 296; Turkish translation: Ibn Bibi, el-Evamirül Ala'iye fi Umuri'l-Alaiye, translated by Mürsel Oztürk, Ministry of Culture, 1000 Temel Eser, Ankara 1996, p. 312; Emine Uyumaz, "Sultan I. Aldeddin Keykubad Doneminde Anadolu'da Hekimlik Yapan bazi Tabibler", Yeni Tip Tarihi Arastirmalari, vol. 4, Istanbul, 1998, p. 153-154; Ali Sevim (Trans.), Ibnü'l-Adim, Biyografilerle Seljuklular Tarihi [Bugyetü't-Taleb fi Tarihi Haleb] (Secmeler), Turk Tarih Kurumu, Ankara, 1972, pp. 193-194.
[40] Kamal al-Din ibn al-Adim, Bughyat at-Talab fi Tarih Halab, edited by Ali Sevim), Turk Tarih Kurumu, Ankara, 1976, p. 94.
[41] Osman Turan, Dogu Anadolu Turk Devletleri Tarihi, Turan Nesriyat Yurdu, Istanbul, 1973, p. 74, Eflaki, Ariflerin Menkibeleri, vol 1,translated by Tahsin Yazici, second edition, Milli Egitim Bakanligi Yayinlari, Istanbul, 1964, pp. 337-338.
[42] Osman Turan, Dogu Anadolu Turk Devletleri Tarihi, Turan Nesriyat Yurdu, Istanbul, 1973, pp. 64, 74.
[43] Ahmet Eflaki, Ariflerin Menkibeleri, translated by Tahsin Yazici, vol. II, Maarif Vekaleti, Istanbul, 1954, p. 446.
[44] Cevat Izgi, "Anadolu Seljuklu Tabibleri", op. cit., pp. 232-233.
[45] Ibrahim-Cevriye Artuk, "Fahreddin el-Mardini", II. Turk Tip Tarihi Kongresi (Istanbul, 20-21 Sept 1990), Kongreye Sunulan Bildiriler, Turk Tarih Kurumu, Ankara, 1999, pp. 187-189; Ilhami Nasuhioglu, "Artuklular Doneminde Bilim ve Kultür", Dirim, 1, 5, Istanbul 1976, p. 217.
[46] Ziya Musa Bünyatov, "Ibn al-Fuvati'nin Talhis Macma' al-Adab fi Mu'cam al-Alkab Eserinde Belirtilen Konya Sultanliginin Gorkemli sahislan", VIII. Turk Tarih Kongresi (Ankara, 11-15 Oct. 1976), Kongreye Sunulan Bildiriler, II, Turk Tarih Kurumu, Ankara, 1981, pp. 594-596.
[47] Mikail Bayram, "Seljuklular Zamaninda Anadolu'da Bazi Yoreler Arasindaki Farkh Kültürel Yapilanma ve Siyâsi Boyutlari", Seljuk University Türkiyat Arastirmalari Dergisi, 1, Konya, 1994, p. 85; "Seljuklular Zamaninda Malatya'da Ilmi ve Fikri Faaliyetler", I-II. Milli Seljuklu Kültür ve Medeniyeti Semineri, Seljuk University, Seljuklu Arastirmalari Merkezi, Konya, 1993, p. 123.
[48] Erdogan Mercil, "Anadolu Seljuklulari'nda Serbest Meslekler", Cogito, No. 29, Istanbul, 2001, pp. 147-148; Osman Turan, Türkiye Seljuklulari Hakkinda Resmi Vesikalar, Turk Tarih Kurumu, Ankara, 1958, p. 54.
[49] Feda Samil Arik, "Seljuklular Zamaninda Anadolu 'da Veba Salginlari", Tarih Arastirmalari Dergisi 1990-1991, vol. XV, No. 26, Ankara, 1991, pp. 27-57; Sezgin Guclüay, "Tarihte Ticareti Etkileyen Unsurlar", Turk Dünyasi Arastirmalari, 126, 2000, pp. 48-49.
[50] Ali Haydar Bayat, "Anadolu Seljuklulari Devrinde Konya 'da Saglik Hayati", Turk Kültürü, XXVII, 311, Ankara 1989, p. 174.
[51] Ihsan Fazlioglu, "Seljuklular Döneminde Anadolu'da Felsefe ve Bilim (Bir Giris)", Cogito, No. 29, Istanbul 2001, p. 164.
*The late Professor Dr Ali Haydar Bayat (1941-2006) belonged to Ege University in Izmir (Turkey). He was member of the Medical Faculty, Medical Ethics and History Department. He published extensively on the history of medicine, especially in the Ottoman period. See this list, this one also, and the references mentioned in the footnotes.
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They were planning a jukebox mode for Rock Band 2, but it was cut; apparently some record labels didn't like the idea.
Can you make setlist (however many songs it allows) save it for the evening, make sure no fail is on, put 'performance mode on' and plug in a character only on vocals The volume is fine, and doesn't fade out if you're not singing. If you plug in an instrument, their sound will disappear shortly since it thinks somebody is missing notes.
I did this a lot and didn't notice vocals being less.
Yes, I still do want to see another RB game in hopes to revive the love.
Because Blitz is a game that runs on the Rock Band platform and uses HMX produced charts that you play along to. Blitz is essentially just a dumbed down rock band. IE the standard rock band platform contract fits blitz.
But a stand alone application that just plays the music for entertainment probably doesn't fit under the contract. Music Licensing is hard. This type of application would have to deal with the royalty rates associated with radio play and music streaming because essentially that's what your asking for is a music streaming platform.
Not sure I follow your logic on this one. Not sure you're right about it either.
Essentially I could put RB in performance mode and listen to all the RB songs in my library and as long as I hit one button between song hear them plain as day.
I'm guessing with Blitz it will be similar.
HMX has licensed the music for RB and somehow they share that license now with Blitz. So, you're saying that because it's not a "game" per se we can't have this?
Fine, make it a game that will play the songs without interruption. Make it as crappy as you like and it will satisfy this legal issue you've spelled out.
I still don't think this licensing issue is the problem.
I agree with him. From what I've heard, media licensing is extremely specific and a license which'd let these songs be used as game play content would probably not cover their use as music to be played for listening entertainment. We know that they have to re-license the on-disc songs to be exported to HDD for use as game play content by other RB games, which generally covers their use in all RB games (with a snag here an there, like the use of "Black Hole Sun" and "Dani California" in RB3, which had already been licensed for export from RB1 by those who paid and were usuable in RB2). Blitz is just another RB game.
The fact that you can set the songs up and let them run without actually playing is incidental and, as you've pointed out, not actually what you want since you have to interact with the game between songs. A jukebox music player can't be construed as a game and would be objected to by the music rights holders because it potentially robs them of the opportunity to sell you the music in general purpose music files.
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Yeah as I specifically said Blitz is a interactive game that runs off of HMX charts.
You want an IPod that plays your dlc. Not the same thing as a rockband game obviously.
I am sure I am right.
If you do your research you'll see this was considered and dropped already like years ago. For fun go read the FAQ at Pandora, and see all the limitations they have on how to stream music, and they're working specifically inside their license, it only gets immensely harder when you try to mix licenses.
And that's not even mentioning the fact that with so little demand, how could they even begin to hope to break even after the cost of developing a new application and releasing it. You do release the vast vast majority of rockband players have little to no dlc. They're going to buy this application so they can listen to Headphones On and Charlene over and over again?
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What can they compromise on what would be willing to negotiate with.
So he's trying to figure out how many kids he can collect what it with a pool of -- it is that he will be -- going into the negotiations to trade with so right now this is it.
Instill the -- face he wants to hear from these members.
Us some of those that have their elections outcome you know they're going to be retiring there's just different circumstances that are happening right now.
So and that's what is going to be doing then you'll be able to go in and negotiate with everybody.
So we shouldn't be expecting it.
People like senator Reid.
All speak up Beno or anybody on high decidedly in a leadership position heading to come out with a definitive positions yet because they have to.
Will look at what those positions are going to be.
Very frustrating is it have you ever see speaker Boehner can actually dictate a little bit more with the -- is -- -- be then senator Reid.
Senator it just because of the way to house and the senate is is made -- he has a little bit more executive power speaker Boehner does and then.
Senate majority leader read -- -- one person as you know one person can hold up the entire senate.
So you do have to kind of work to see what what gives and takes obese so.
You know right now everybody's posturing everybody's trying to get their name in the -- everybody's giving their economic speech out there right now but it's really gonna come down to four -- five people in a room on December 30.
On an.
And coincidentally is talking about this.
Right now I don't know if we can put that particular picture up -- at the White -- side believe with a collection of all of middle class Americans told him -- that can we get back Chris.
We're looking to get back in the meantime loved all you're the smartest man in the world -- how do we have that the fiscal cliff.
Wolf one click and it really clear to people right off the bat here is leading it's it's.
It's more like a curb -- -- cliff.
But cubs sort of -- at all yeah that would -- have rather blunt it is that it hits the physical -- I had and I don't know -- Told you about the statistic before the one like there was a look at it is this if you look at if you -- the entire federal deficit right now sixteen trillion dollars including about that we -- essentially.
Twelve trillion outsiders can.
They need anything about it this way the handsome sum of ten million dollars that's a lot.
Being one inch long right -- one inch then our federal deficit is more than a marathon.
26 point two miles correct while so that should alarm you now.
The amount of cuts that are envisioned for next year 23 team in the so called fiscal cliff.
Is less than the length of -- high school track in comparison to America on it so.
If we can't do that much what can we do -- all right well let's let's listen to one man's ideas his President Obama talking right now let's.
Listen to the president for a moment.
Breakthrough they're getting a tax break on the first -- like everybody else.
Families and small businesses would therefore be able to enjoy some peace of mind heading into Christmas and -- heading into the new year.
And it would give us more time.
Then next year to work together on a comprehensive plan to bring down our deficits.
To streamline our tax system to do it in a balanced way.
Including asking the wealthiest Americans -- pay a little more so that we can still invest in things like education and training in science and research.
I I know some of this may sound familiar to you because we talked a lot about this during the campaign.
This shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.
This was a major debate.
In the presidential campaign and -- congressional campaigns all across the country and a clear majority of Americans.
I just Democrats.
But also a lot of Republicans a lot of independents.
Agree that we should have a balanced approach to deficit reduction that doesn't hurt the economy and doesn't hurt middle class -- And I'm glad to see.
If you've been read the papers lately that more and more Republicans in congress.
Seem to be agreeing with this idea that we should have a balanced approach so.
If both parties agree we should not raise taxes on middle class families.
Let's begin our work with where we -- great.
The -- already passed a bill that keeps.
Income taxes from going up on middle class -- Democrats in the house.
Are all ready to vote for that same bill today.
If we can get a few house Republicans to agree as well.
All signed this bill as soon as congress sends it my way got to repeat I've got to pet.
-- -- So my point here are necessary -- let's approach.
This problem.
-- of the middle class in mind.
The folks were behind me.
And the millions of people all across the country who they represent.
In America people are watching what we do.
That is the president of bomber of course Applewhite had -- surrounded by what the white has describes as middle class Americans.
Bob rice is chuckling off to my side here ball -- no laughing matter but tell -- what makes you chuckle about middle class Americans what I did this stage craft involved in OK go eight people then you're going.
Listening to these eight people.
Come -- please thank you know a lot of politics in this oh lord have mercy.
I'm kind of under heading -- -- and didn't and that's I mean I think that's what frustrates a lot of people.
When they look at this this getting that not just on the president design but on both sides.
Everybody seems to be playing politics -- -- we consistently told is our future.
-- it is it's amazing palace theater it actually takes action pass a bill or did actually something done I mean I know -- for senator Reid I mean we -- we would have.
You know pre -- the debate the post today we -- condition all the environments we make sure we had different groups in and putting out their own press releases of the theater amongst I think would -- -- about the theater around all of us.
Is truly absurd because really what they should be doing right now is -- into that room right now and figuring out what it is they can get -- You heard the president you know and there is saying absolutely no one of his lines in you know in the sand right now is that.
Anything you know millionaires is is likely those rates -- an -- 2% is likely to go is is going to go up.
And and that Social Security can't be touched OK you we have an agreement on the middle class everybody and Republicans and Democrats -- -- see those tax cuts extended.
Now let's figure out how we pay for where we go in and let's just get this through a negotiated.
Well -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- you 1010 million is one inch.
We have to get to 26 point two miles.
A little more brutal -- don't panic right now whatever you know it's -- six point two but it's more than -- -- so.
How does.
And isn't even possible.
To get there I mean I guess that's the question when everybody talks about this is how much we need to -- into this extraordinary man.
That -- -- even do that in one deal will it doesn't send me like they can know they can't do that and when deal so we're.
What you can do however you've got there are three ways out of this and you have to use all 31 way is.
-- we're just talking about raising it raising taxes and cutting entitlement spending for -- that's a key part of it.
But we can't do the whole job that way.
The second element is growth.
Remember growth the idea that the economy actually get a -- off.
-- -- -- -- There -- some wacky idea of the economy gets bigger over time and -- more tax revenues that's the second component of the solution.
And the third component of the solution is inflation which is -- inflating part of our data -- and that's one of the reasons that the Fed is keeping -- was -- regularly eating -- about that awaits.
Well it's dollars get less valuable than what we pay China off the debt that we had right that they they have a bars they're getting.
Basically less value for the death of their currently holding and so that's adding another way.
Third -- kind of hidden way that the government has every intention Republican the Democrats they so we're.
They have every intention of devaluing the currency to -- the amount of actual value.
We're transferring -- satisfaction of our foreign debt and so that's the third -- If you put all three of those things together.
Yes you can get there but the first part is really important and I am scared to death that -- -- politicians we have.
Our civil -- and you know they're gonna have all this talk and all this compromise and actually just.
Kick the can down the road again and not make a serious serious dent in this deficit and that's why I personally I know this is shocking thing I wish we go over the fiscal well writers I think that the economy can withstand it more or less sort of kinda.
And we have.
To actually make really meaningful -- Or entitlement spending is that on entitlement spending and or what will happen is and -- this is that that -- big hammer that nobody is paying attention to.
And the bond markets will revolt.
The interest rates won't go off and then our deficit is going to be incomprehensible.
And and won't be able to do anything about it we have to act now we have this window of low interest rates thank you for that optimistic view sorry to -- Patty what it entitlement spending you -- -- ads as a pres.
And has said no touching Social Security so who walk will what will do you think Democrats might.
Ultimately coalesce around in terms of cutting entitlement spending.
-- had taken a look at and the president's going to be interesting to see because at some point he's gonna have to enter into it triangulation.
He -- have to put some of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.
You know in in a bit of a triangulation in in putting their interest aside because they don't want anything cut right now and that's just is not feasible especially when.
Republicans if they come anywhere close into compromising on increasing revenues -- you gonna have to give a little bit and so he's gonna have to have a moment.
When he's gonna have to say to the -- -- -- in the Democratic Party.
Look this is the deal we're gonna go for it with it.
And so one of the things I mean you'd have to take a look at is Medicare.
Are -- continuing savings in Medicare do we need to change the eligibility break her great age some things in which we can -- there on Medicaid again.
Is there means test is is there other ways in which we can go -- create scenes within that program.
So those two I think are very much on the table.
You know it's Social Security you could argue doesn't necessarily adhere to the debt or doesn't directly affect the -- -- maybe we could put that aside for more Social Security reform.
But Medicare Medicaid I mean he's gonna have to have that moment when he tells you know Democrats look we gotta do something.
-- and is other -- actually.
Easy announces here if if you look at entitlement spending if you take aside if you take away the politics of it.
I'll bet -- Joseph cool it's relatively simple ways of doing this the people in the financial world.
Aside from politics would look at and say that's the way to do it yes.
Thank you OK moving off the hook up what -- -- ways mr.
All the as as penny just since I -- delirious and he never he had breakfast let me just moaning.
They've always -- -- together I don't know.
Up other breakfast or use an intoxicating experience and I have -- -- -- -- -- Please go at metabolism Winston church out.
-- -- -- -- -- Missouri this episode about a -- just said the magic phrase means test you so -- the idea -- but it's not just on entitlements.
It's for tax benefits as well.
You should mean -- across both what the government is -- to people.
And you should limit deductions for people who don't need them.
In right and so that's a fair and balanced so to speak way of a -- -- approaching both sides of the problem.
Both -- both tax deductions.
And spending federal spending or are delivering benefits to people who are very wealthy and who simply don't need them.
So that's one way and end all and entitlements the second way also has been -- it you simply have to push the retirement age back all of these systems were built on the idea.
That you would die when you're seventy years all in everything in our system is built on that premise.
That's not true any more people living to 80851995.
You can't run the system on that assumption.
Without changing the underlying nature of the economics it's not possible threat by the but then then penny on the on the flip side of that.
There is the end taxes as well.
Do you -- Republicans are in a position.
To compromise on that do you think they eat the LDC think they should.
Do you think they will and if so at what point do we stuck on this above 250000.
-- -- do you think that might move to 1200000.
I think he's going to be immediate short term and in the long term in the short term I think you while -- hopefully -- -- most likely we'll see you know the 250 the middle class.
Have their tax 'cause of bush tax cuts extended for them mom and then on the upper 2% -- it not be extended.
And Republicans can -- you heard Tom Cole representative Tom Cole say today.
You know look at it by eight by not doing any being.
-- rates go up but we did it actually vote for the incursions so you've got this you know bifurcation in which they're trying to say.
You know they go up but we didn't raise -- and so -- the Grover Norquist pledge that we all signed.
-- it doesn't apply to us so it's it's going to be interesting to see how they knew -- obviously anybody -- -- anything.
Once the deal is done.
I think the consequences for the Republicans in being in the absolute roadblock when you do have a majority of their of the American public.
Saying that they do want to get -- finally seen the increase on the top 2%.
You CNN as in transient -- down as you know blocking another measure for progress going border are getting our fiscal.
House in order.
Is is more detrimental and that's what we'll see it in their polls and that's for those seed in the outcome come between fourteen so.
They've got to weigh against that India and figure out what they can do and so.
I imagine we'll see Mitch McConnell and the speaker Boehner release a certain amount of people so they can actually get a deal done.
All right and so did you would shed before I let you go play because I have to that studio in DC would you share the president's optimism that he -- just.
Enunciated at the White House saying that he hopes and believes they can get a deal done -- Christmas.
We will get as some kind of deal done and that it -- the market that doesn't put -- completely over the fiscal -- We might be -- column -- I didn't in it in a different way and we'll kick it down for more longer term things.
There are some things that have to get done what they call the Alternative Minimum Tax have to get done the doc fix -- to get Don.
So there are and debt ceiling don't forget one of the things that they are -- that Democrats especially are asking for too is.
Let's get the debt ceiling out and over over the ways that we don't have to deal with -- in in the new congress.
All right -- -- -- a senior advisor to senator Harry thanks so much -- legacy was always you good to see you.
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Is February a good time to, 'Battle the Giants' of the Florida Middle Grounds? Only one way to find out, let's go see!
Twenty anglers and a crew of five board the Florida Fisherman ll, Hubbard's Marina for an overnight adventure to the fabulous Florida Middle Grounds. It's going to be a very long trip. We will be fishing the Northern edges of the Grounds. One thing is for sure, we absolutely will not go hungry. Tammy, our onboard chef, loves to cook, and, guess what? We love to eat! What a combination. Tammy has packed enough food and drinks for a small, make that a large, army. Hope you like to eat, I mean really eat. We do not want to disappoint Ms. Tammy. Tammy, we will do our share!
First things first. Let's visit Tom the bait man. Tom, we need real lively big pin fish. Bob, I have them. Good! We will be after huge AJ's.
Winter Florida stile, Madeira Beach stile:
Joe, give us some pointers on how to 'Battle the Giants' and win:
Man, let's dig into those Philly-cheese-steak subs. Tammy, you are our girl:
Time to hit the bunks. The great battle ahead will require us to be at our very best.
Gosh, Captain Mark, is it time to get up already? Go get them.
Mister Jason Burke, Nashville, scores first. What a mangrove snapper:
Rich, that's bigger than any mango. What a fighter:
Way to go Rich, way to go partner:
Here comes Tammy with hot off the grill ham & cheese sandwiches. Wow!
Mister Burke is putting a good old Southern hurting on those pesky mangos:
Mister Mitrovic do you really believe that gag grouper are few & far between? Looks to me like someone is feeding us a line:
Joe, now that's a nice red grouper:
We found a huge school of bar jacks. They are hungry and there for the taking:
We have caught some quality fish, but the early morning bite has been a little on the slow side. Finally, here comes Mister Sun, here comes the fight of our lives. Don't think so? Just ask Mister Milos Mitrovic. Be sure to watch the video of Milos' great fights:
Mister Larry Miller joins in on 'Battling the Giants'!
Now this is really looking good. Many battles are lost, but many are won:
Ian, Joe, Milos, Captain Mark Hubbard:
Rich, what's all the excitement? I have hooked something much bigger than a mango. It's pulling like a freight train, but I have him headed in the right direction. Oh no! He is taking off like a bat out of, well you get the picture. Finally, nothing but dead weight. Shark attack! Captain Mark is simply amazed at the size of those two bite marks. Now that was a real, 'giant'!
Milos just won't stop. He is helping our side win the battle of the giants:
Ralph, thank you sir for helping us to win the great battle. This man knows how to fish:
Gosh, we are starved. Tammy to the rescue. I'll have one of your famous bacon, sausage, cheese omelettes. Good in no way adequately describes this masterpiece:
Joe, show us who is winning the battle of the giants:
Captain Mark Hubbard can't believe how well Mister Mitrovic is doing. He has caught ten keeper size gags, six American reds, and four scamp grouper, and it's not even noon yet:
Joe, hold up one of those American reds:
Mister Jason Burke, What do you think about the American red snapper being in such bad shape that the fishery can only stand at best a 28 day season?
Milos, as you throw that beauty back, what are your thoughts on the 'shortage' of the American red snapper?
Ralph, what's your thoughts on the status of the American red?
As hard as we try, we simply can't get away from them:
Those darn gags wont leave us alone either. Go away!
We are 'Battling the Giants' and actually winning...sometimes!
Tammy, what's for lunch? We are starved. How does hot off the grill beer batter twice dipped fish & red potato salad sound? Say no more, you have our attention:
Those darn American reds are determined not to leave us alone. We may only have 28 days, but we are going to make them pay for all the free meals:
Mister Matt Horn is visiting us from Minneapolis, Minnesota. Matt just had to see what our great state has to offer. Matt's conclusion, why would anyone possibly want to live anywhere else? Hey Matt, what will the weather be like when you get back home. Well Bob, if we are lucky it won't be too much colder that twenty degrees. Now, tell me more. What the heck is a Cuban sandwich? Where can I find one? They sound awesome. And your fish, gosh! The fish down here fight so hard. Hole on, this fish is really battling. (Be sure to catch the great battle on video). He keeps making a wide circle. Must be a black fin tuna. At least we can hope:
It's a tuna, a real tuna. I will never forget this:
Now there is something we seldom see on the Grounds, a big Key West Grunt:
Rich, now that's a nice mango:
Boy! If we could only keep grouper & Amereican reds:
Proper venting really helps. Catch you later:
Both grouper & American reds are very abundant on the Grounds. Don't let anyone tell you differently:
Winter mango snapper fishing is slow compared to hot weather fishing. However, many are still hungry:
And, speaking of hungry, Tammy, what's for dinner? Boy! Do I ever have something special for you. Start off with a green salad followed by bacon wrapped pork tinder-loin, green beans, and Texas toast. Tammy, you are too much!
Oh! I forgot this:
Well, finally the sun has had enough. See you in the morning:
We catch a few more mangrove snapper. But basically the fish decide it's time to hit the sack. Sounds like a great idea. We are give out from, 'Battling the Giants' of the Florida Middle Grounds. Already, most of us are planning our next trip, our next great adventure. February 22, is a full moon trip. The full of the moon is February 25, at 3:28 P.M. We will be fishing a couple of days before the full moon. It just does not get any better than that. Ralph, you had better join us. We need your help.
The FWC did not travel with us this time. However, these dedicated biologist were waiting for us at the dock. Now this is real data:
We had the Grounds to ourselves. As a matter of fact, we have not seen another boat during our last three trips.
Nice catch, with American reds & grouper, it would have been a great catch.
Will & Joe are very proud of our total team effort:
Look at the size of that AJ. Surely it will win the jack pot:
Or maybe that monster:
Man! This is going to be close:
Captain Mark Hubbard congratulates the jack pot winners. (R)
Amber Jack: Mister Larry Miller (L)
Snapper: Mister Jason Burke (Middle)
Is February a good time to, 'Battle the Giants' of the Florida Middle Grounds? Looks like anytime is a good time.
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engine and trans oil?
I started running mobil 1 syn. oil a few years ago. Just wondering what everyone else uses. What do you think is good/bad. I gained noticeable power from changing the factory oil to syn.
07-30-2011, 06:31 PM #2I've been running Mobil 1 in everything we have for at least 20 years and no problems. I use there engine oil, trans fluid, gear lube and grease.
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07-30-2011, 06:54 PM #3I second the Mobile 1. It is the only thing that my husband puts in my Trailblazer.
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What the oil weight you using. I tryed their 0w-30 and pulled some more hp. just changed to 5w-40 turbo diesel oil to help while pulling a 5000 lb camper I just bought today.
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07-30-2011, 11:15 PM #5Were running 10-30 in both trucks down here.
07-31-2011, 05:48 AM #6I run Delo400 SAE30 in my truck. Awesome oil.
1995 Chevy Silverado
Fully loaded!!!
4Wheel Drive
5.7 Liter
Best Engine In The World!!!!!
Once i had a nearly dead battery and was only able to get 1 slow crank per attempt, Once to the fifth crank she fired up! (True Story)
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08-01-2011, 07:07 PM #7Castrol GTX high mileage 10w-30 and a quart of Marvels Mystery Oil, works wonders, scrubs the insides clean.
I want to switch to Shaffer oil, cause that stuff makes everything else, even Mobile 1 oil, look like sandpaper, best thing is that it's aluminum based, so it works with both standard oils and synthetic oil, and you can constantly switch back without issues.
Tranny fluid, I'd go with Shaffer as well, but it's only available in bulk....so I'll just use Dexron III, which I need to flush my tranny here soon...1994 Chevy Silverado 1500 Ext Cab 350 cuin TBI in dark Chevy blue
160,000+ miles
Original paint
Original interior
Original engine and tranny
wrecked twice stolen once
Diamond Plate bed rails
Power windows
Original Alloy wheels
Original fancy smancy cup holder
Tow package
Original plastic bed liner
K&N Cone Air Intake
Dual MagnaFlow exhaust(not true dual) with chrome tips
MSD Street Fire Performance Ignition coil
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