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The Barclays Center opened Sept. 28, 2012. The parade of entertainment and Brooklyn's first arena has provoked huge media attention and much praise.
The looming, metal-clad arena, unmistakable at the intersection of Atlantic and Flatbush avenues, forming a new node just past long-accepted downtown boundaries, has been enough to convince some journalists, like a New York magazine sportswriter who willfully puts on blinders when it comes to the political implications of sports, that the "battle is over, and Bruce Ratner won it."
That, however, depends on amnesia, or ignorance: a dismissal of the enormous claims of Atlantic Yards benefits, and belief in Ratner's assertion that "Nobody will remember what we had to do to make it happen."
However much architecture critics and event-goers enjoy the arena, it cannot be seen in a vacuum, and the taint should not be ignored. Atlantic Yards, announced in December 2003, approved in December 2006 and again in September 2009, will be remembered, not just for its promises of 16 towers and arena, "Jobs, Housing, and Hoops," but also for "what we had to do."
Atlantic Yards and the Barclays Center have provoked neither indictments nor investigations. It's not a crime--despite the metaphorical use of the term by those who held protests on the opening weekend.
After building on the arena block, the plan is to build on the southeast parking lot, bypassing the blighted railyard. |
That taint was reaffirmed in September 2013 when a state judge affirmed that the attorneys bringing that lawsuit were entitled to legal fees.
Even the most common--and, by many, quite welcomed--view of the arena is a dodge. People like the plaza in front of the arena as a place to gather and as a transition between the street and a large but not hugely tall building.
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And Atlantic Yards likely would not have been approved without that office tower. That tower is on permanent hold.
Legal, but right?
There's no legal corruption. But Atlantic Yards relies upon what I'd call a "culture of cheating," a term inspired by The Cheating Culture: Why More Americans Are Doing Wrong to Get Ahead, a book by business ethicist David Callahan.
"I want to get it done," Mayor Mike Bloomberg told Ratner on the June 2003 day the developer unveiled the plan to the mayor. "Get it done no matter what."
It's an ends-justify-the-means shamelessness and betrayal of promises that pervades the project, involving, at various times, project promoters, consultants, lawyers, and community partners. And that cheating has been too often ignored or papered over by the press.
Interestingly, the New York Times, which has rarely scrutinized Atlantic Yards aggressively, in some ways endorsed this thesis, albeit buried in a long 9/27/12 profile of developer Bruce Ratner, describing "his reputation for promising anything to get a deal, only to renegotiate relentlessly for more favorable terms."
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"We've been robbed, and I've seen people go to jail for less," declared Umar Jordan, a community organizer, speaking in September 2012 about the unfulfilled promises for jobs and contracts. Jordan, six years earlier, was a prominent project supporter portrayed by the New York Times as exemplifying the racial divide over the project.
The arena, Ratner claimed in September 2011, is "largely about the children and youth of Brooklyn." The proliferation of corporate logos suggests otherwise. As Barclays Center/Brooklyn Nets CEO Brett Yormark has said, "[W]e are excited to continue to partner with brands of excellence."Yormark, it should be noted, was eager to proceed with the long-anticipated, nationally-televised home debut of the Brooklyn Nets Nov. 1, 2012, against the New York Knicks, despite the devastation to the city and transit system wrought by Superstorm Sandy.
"We also feel today this can be in many respects a rallying cry for New York," Yormark claimed. "We have to move on." ESPN scribe Ian O'Connor deemed the plan to hold the game "heartless" and "clueless." Facing reality, Mayor Mike Bloomberg finally nixed the game.
Consider how the Atlantic Yards arena was promised as a "community arena," with accommodation for local sports teams, school sports, and community events--and the Barclays Center's first year doesn't match up.
The view looking west from Vanderbilt Avenue: unbuilt railyard, where development is delayed. |
"Do-gooder, liberal"?
Architect Frank Gehry, whose grasp of development politics appears (in retrospect) enormously shaky, described Bruce Ratner as"politically like me" and a fellow "liberal, do-gooder".
According to an interview in the Jewish Voice, "Ratner is a staunch Democrat and liberal and cannot
imagine people, especially Jews, who are not."
For Ratner, however, business considerations have always trumped ideology. In November 2010, Ratner wrote a check for $7500 to the New York State Senate Republican Campaign Committee, ensuring smooth relations with the party that controls the legislature's second chamber.
In a September 2012 Q&A, Yormark talked about the naming rights deal with a questionable company: " For me, what I'm most proud of is the cultural fit for Barclays." Similarly, Bruce Ratner praise his partnership with Mikhail Prokhorov, who got rich through connections: "We have the same kind of values and culture."
In both cases, Yormark and Ratner were talking about doing business deals, but the issue of "cultural fit" has broader, more ominous resonance.
Other reading on this theme
My Reuters Opinion essay, Brooklyn's vaunted, tainted Barclays Center.
Also see my essay from The Brooklyn Rail, A Brand Called Brooklyn, on the use of "Brooklyn" to sell the arena and team. Regarding the New York Times's erratic, inadequate coverage, see my City Journal assessment, The Barclays Center's Media Enabler (and more here).
This was a jaw-dropping fib from a 12/10/03 Forest City Ratner press release announcing the Atlantic Yards project: "The complex has been planned to look whole and complete during each phase of construction."
As I reported, buildings were to replace parking as the project proceeds. The construction schedule indicated much incompleteness, as did the map of buildings that would be finished year after year.
Even that schedule is in doubt by now, and the project by no means looks "whole and complete." There are empty spaces around the arena, to be filled by towers, and a surface parking lot waiting for towers.
A "civic developer"
"Our company is really what I call a civic development company," Ratner likes to say. "We do a lot of civic projects. And every project that we do has to have some civic component."
Except "civic" is a fuzzy term, and Ratner has made two self-sabotaging--if rather little-noticed--statements that back up charges of cheating:
- he repudiated the ten-year timeline to build the project previously endorsed by his company and the state
- he claimed that high-rise, union-built affordable housing isn't feasible, even though that's what he long planned and the state approved twice
Atlantic Yards was long promised to take ten years. Instead, after the project was re-approved in 2009, the state, via the Empire State Development Corporation (ESDC, or simply Empire State Development), negotiated contracts giving the developer up to 25 years. That Development Agreement was withheld when project opponents challenged the timetable in court.
First, a state judge ruled against the challengers, the ESDC's "deplorable lack of transparency" and acknowledged that the ESDC's use of a ten-year timeframe for the project buildout in the Modified General Project Plan was supported "only minimally."
Only later, after the challengers reopened the case, did the judge revise her decision and order a new review of the environmental impacts of a potential 25-year construction period.
Not only did the judge order a Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement, which was ongoing in 2013, in September 2013 she awarded legal fees to the attorneys representing Develop Don't Destroy Brooklyn and BrooklynSpeaks, the two winning coalitions. That was a discretionary decision, indicating that the state's defense was not tenable.
Then-Governor David Paterson, in a froth at the March 2010 arena groundbreaking, claimed that Atlantic Yards would have "job creation the likes of which Brooklyn has never seen."
Well, Brooklyn hasn't seen it, not the once-promised 15,000 construction jobs and certainly not the 10,000 permanent jobs. And much-hyped Jay-Z, whom savvy sportswriter David Roth called the Nets' "resident Brooklyn-credibility totem," gets to blather about how "it's already created so many jobs," and the press doesn't check.
Today, Bloomberg and Borough President Markowitz call the arena a job magnet--though nearly all the jobs are part-time and low-paying--and the numbers seem inflated.
The failure to deliver promised jobs provoked Umar Jordan, who spoke passionately for the project in an August 2006 public hearing and became a purported representative of the racial divide over Atlantic Yards, to more recently register his disgust.
Despite happy talk from arena reps about those 1900 part-time jobs and how the hourly wage is above "living wage," these are not living-wage jobs, since the definition depends on a 40-hour work week.
EB-5 job program
Forest City has even used a questionable job count to leverage some $228 million in low-cost financing via a federal program, EB-5, that gives immigrant investors visas in exchange for purportedly job-creating investments.
Markowitz, unable to join Forest City Ratner on a fundraising trip to China, nevertheless taped hyperbolic praise for the project. asserting that Brooklyn was "1000 percent" behind Atlantic Yards--a preposterous claim--and asserting that Forest City's reputation was "unbelievably reliable."
Since then, he's changed his tune and been more candid, acknowledging that Atlantic Yards is "among the most contentious developments" in the country's history.
The inside track with the MTA
The key piece of public property is the 8.5-acre Vanderbilt Yard. Forest City Ratner not only had the inside track from the beginning, after it bid less cash than the one rival that emerged--$50 million vs. $150 million--the Metropolitan Transportation Authority in 2005 agreed to negotiate exclusively with Forest City. The developer then raised the cash bid to $100 million.
Then, in 2009, Forest City successfully re-negotiated the deal, getting the MTA to accept only $20 million down for the portion of the railyard needed for the arena, with 22 years to pay off the rest, at a gentle interest rate. It could build a smaller, cheaper railyard.
The deal survived a legal challenge, but the question lingers: did Forest City really have the MTA over a barrel, as the state contended? Instead, evidence suggests that the agency had leverage: it was Forest City that had to move the money-losing Nets from New Jersey, and faced an end-of-2009 deadline to have tax-exempt bonds issued.
Since 2009, Forest City has twice gotten the MTA to revise the contract, pushing forward the official start of the permanent railyard. That leaves questions about the promised schedule for that railyard and for the subsequent platform and the towers built over that platform.
Eminent domain and blight
The state exercised eminent domain for Atlantic Yards based on some rather suspect logic:
- Forest City Ratner drew the map of the 22-acre project site, with the oddly missing gap in the south-central block
- the Blight Study conducted by the ESDC concerned only the footprint of the project
- the consultant conducting the Blight Study was hired to conduct a "Blight Study in support of the proposed project"
- the consultant, AKRF, had always found blight as directed
- the consultant, though initially charged to do so, did not compare market conditions on the project site with conditions nearby (Prospect Heights was already a hot neighborhood, and even pro-Atlantic Yards legislator Roger Green said the area was not blighted)
- the criteria for blight, such a properties built out to less than 60% of allowable development rights, were arbitrary and never promulgated to warn property owners
- blight was not raised as an official justification when Atlantic Yards was announced
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The state Court of Appeals, with one exception, did not respond to plaintiffs' charges that Forest City drew the map. No wonder law professors from across the ideological spectrum now criticize that Court of Appeals decision.
"My personal view is the New York Court of Appeals basically abdicated any meaningful role for the judiciary in determining whether a blight designation even passed the laugh test," declared Rutgers Law Professor Ronald Chen at a February 2011 symposium.
From the majority opinion:
The land use improvement plan at issue is not directed at the wholesale eradication of slums, but rather at alleviating relatively mild conditions of urban blight principally attributable to a large and, of course, uninhabited subgrade rail cut.Only after the arena opened did Forest City Ratner reveal a plan to build four towers on the southeast block of the before constructing a platform for construction over the Vanderbilt Yard. That not only raised questions about whether the project would remove blight--the main justification for eminent domain--in a timely fashion, but also placed litigation over the railyard in a new light.
After all, one justification for a revised 2009 deal for the railyard, as detailed by the then-Chairman of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) Dale Hemmerdinger, was that the platform must be built before Forest City could start earning revenue.
In an affidavit, Hemmerdinger stated: "The board also took into consideration the tremendous up front investment by the buyer to actually build the platform' over the VD [Vanderbilt] Yard, which must be made before the developer can build the revenue generating portions of the proposal."
That left the impression that only after building the platform could Forest City realize value from its investment.
Yes, only the platform would produce revenue from the air rights directly above it. However, the MTA deal unlocked the revenue-generating potential for the entire project, including the arena; the towers around it on the arena block; and towers on the rest of the project site outside the Vanderbilt Yard.
Accommodating government agencies
Empire State Development, the state agency overseeing/shepherding the arena, was wiling to allow the setbacks for the B4 tower--the largest likely to be built--to be moved closer to narrow Sixth Avenue. See graphic at right.
Is that a major change? Maybe, maybe not. But the agency gave the public one day notice that it was considering some kind of change, and did not reveal the content of that change unless people attended the ESDC board meeting--and those attendees did not get a look at the graphics for another hour, only when the agenda item came up.
Also, the New York City Economic Development Corporation was happy to tell the Daily News that the arena, in its first year, was a net gain for the city, but has so far refused to share its calculations or any documents regarding that conclusion.
Accommodating government agencies
Empire State Development, the state agency overseeing/shepherding the arena, was wiling to allow the setbacks for the B4 tower--the largest likely to be built--to be moved closer to narrow Sixth Avenue. See graphic at right.
Is that a major change? Maybe, maybe not. But the agency gave the public one day notice that it was considering some kind of change, and did not reveal the content of that change unless people attended the ESDC board meeting--and those attendees did not get a look at the graphics for another hour, only when the agenda item came up.
Also, the New York City Economic Development Corporation was happy to tell the Daily News that the arena, in its first year, was a net gain for the city, but has so far refused to share its calculations or any documents regarding that conclusion.
A telling episode in the Atlantic Yards saga came in a 4/2/08 earnings conference call that parent Forest City Enterprises (FCE) held with investment analysis. Then-CEO Chuck Ratner expressed satisfaction in the developer's relationship with local government, and said he expected more support.
At the time of the call, Forest City Ratner, FCE's New York subsidiary, had gained $105 million in city subsidies--quietly added after the project was approved--on top of the initially pledged $200 million from the city and state. (City officials now say total city subsidies are $179 million or $171.5 million, not $205 million.)
Since then, FCR gained (beyond other stated subsidies and tax breaks):
- a speed-up in delivery of pledged state and city subsidies
- an additional $31 million for land purchase (allegedly from infrastructure funds)
- a revised deal with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority for the Vanderbilt Yard, with only $20 million down (instead of $100 million), a smaller permanent yard, and a generous 6.5% interest rate to pay back the remaining $80 million
- a Development Agreement with gentle penalties and generous deadlines (12 years for Phase 1, 25 years for Phase 2)
"Forest City does not expect to ask for more subsidy," Executive VP MaryAnne Gilmartin responded carefully. But of course it did, requesting $10 million more in housing subsidies.
Also, another representative of the developer unsuccessfully sought $9 million in state support to rebuild the Carlton Avenue Bridge.
The New York City Independent Budget Office called the arena a net loss to the city even without calculating the housing subsidies or the value of naming rights that the state gave away.
Yes, the changing economy understandably puts pressure on the Forest City Ratner's ability to fulfill promises regarding the 2,250 unbuilt units of affordable housing.
But even before the economy turned, the developer was lying, for example claiming (as in the screenshot at right) that 50% of all affordable apartments would be devoted to two- and three-bedroom units rather than, as promised in the Affordable Housing Memorandum of Understanding, 50% of the floor area.
Later, Forest City stopped mentioning that pledge and instead claimed that the goal was that 20% of the units would have two bedrooms.
It took a Freedom of Information Law (FOIL) request for me learn the full back story, in which the only reason the developer got to 20% was a push from the New York City Housing Development Corporation, and the agency acceded, mostly, to Forest City's counterproposal that the additional units be rented not to the families who loudly rallied for the project but households earning six figures.
That story is summarized in an 8/26/12 article for City Limits' Brooklyn Bureau, Agency, Developer Wrestle Over Atlantic Yards Affordability.
The arena liquor license
The arena operators made a joint presentation in April 2012 to Community Boards 2 and 6, claiming that alcohol sales would be cut off by the end of the third quarter for NBA games and before the end of concerts.
They failed to disclose a plan to serve 1,800 VIP patrons for one hour after events, up to 2 am. When the State Liquor Authority rolled that back to 1 am, a small victory for neighbors, the press missed arena operators' initial resistance to the change.
Barclays, LIBOR, and the roof logo
If Atlantic Yards represents the "culture of cheating," then isn't naming rights partner Barclays a perfect fit? Barclays is an admitted cheater, paying $450 million to settle charges of interest rate manipulation.
The executive who negotiated the naming rights agreement, Bob Diamond, resigned in disgrace.
And, as I've reported, there was never any explicit permission to put the Barclays Center name/logo on the arena roof because, when the Atlantic Yards Design Guidelines were approved, there was supposed to be a green roof. Nor were the plans ever explicitly explained.
It's not a violation, but it sure looks like cheating.
Similarly, it should not be surprising that Forest City is willing to make a deal with Chinese government-owned Greenland Group to buy up to 70% of the project.
Violations of construction protocols
Barclays Center developer Ratner, appearing 9/11/12 on Bloomberg Television's "Surveillance," managed to smoothly rewrite the history of Forest City Ratner's (FCR) noncompliance with construction protocols (noise, dust, traffic) and the state's failure to stop such violations.
The failure goes back to the December 2009 Memorandum of Environmental Commitments (MEC) that FCR negotiated with Empire State Development, the state agency that has the dicey duty of both overseeing and promoting Atlantic Yards. The MEC was supposed to bind Forest City to construction practices that protected the neighborhood.
In fact, according to documents I viewed via a Freedom of Information Law request, the state at one point sought a $10,000 daily penalty for violations of the MEC. Forest City opposed the penalty. The developer prevailed. And, despite Ratner's claims, there have been numerous violations of protocols designed to tamp down dust, noise, and traffic.
Dean Street between Flatbush and Sixth avenues, Sept. 12 |
Atlantic Yards Watch recently reported, with copious photos and video, on ever more violations of construction protocols, as trucks get jammed on residential Dean Street or make a wrong-way turn from Sixth Avenue to reach the tight setting of the loading dock.
Not only has ESD neglected oversight, documents suggest the agency and its environmental monitor have condoned a cover-up of a Forest City contractor's falsification.
Lingering problems
The Times on Jan. 1, 2013 reported how the arena opened despite more than 1700 defective bolts, a problem not fully disclosed to the Department of Buildings and--as I described--obfuscated in reports from the state agency overseeing the arena as well as the construction monitor for the bond trustee.
There has not been the "Carmageddon" that people feared, thanks in part to the availability of and heavy promotion of public transit.
However, the arena does not function without significant use of public resources--and the willingness to overlook some localized but significant impacts. Traffic agents have overridden red lights on Flatbush Avenue to advance traffic and police have shut down Atlantic Avenue so crowds can cross in the middle of the street.
More importantly, and consonant with the construction violations, police have so far tolerated honking, idling limos and livery cabs on adjacent residential streets, including those in No Parking/No Standing zones.
And the loading dock has not operated, as a city official claims, "seamlessly," but instead has left many trucks waiting or idling on residential streets, as steadily documented on Atlantic Yards Watch.
An arena rep claimed the August 2013 MTV Video Music Awards event was a huge success, but some neighbors disagreed severely.
Arena noise
With the initial concerts by Jay-Z, and later concert EDM (electronic dance music) shows 10/26/12 and 10/27/12 called Sensation, pounding bass has penetrated the residences of neighbors on nearby blocks.
The response from the city was to send an inspector to measure noise--according to a neighbor--before the Jay-Z concert started. The community affairs representatives of Empire State Development (ESD) and the Barclays Center didn't respond to queries after the first Sensation show.
But Arana Hankin, director, Atlantic Yards Project, ESD, did appear on a video for Sensation effusively suggesting, "I can only imagine people will love to have Sensation in their backyards."
They didn't--and while a proposed fine against the arena for Sensation was dismissed on a technicality, the city levied a $3200 fine--pocket change, really--against the arena for noise violations during a Swedish House Mafia show.
Those $15 Nets tickets
The arena and team promoters have made a bit deal out of the promised 2,000 affordable $15 tickets to Brooklyn Nets games. But those tickets were very elusive.
Some apparently were put up for sale for season tickets. Relatively few were available for before-game purchase--perhaps a few hundred. However, Nets ticket reps, in online chats, misleadingly told potential buyers that not only were there no $15 seats available as season tickets, they would not be available for individual sale.
For the second season, there will be no $15 tickets. The base price is $25.
The Community Benefits Agreement
Even the New York Times, which once saluted Forest City Ratner for developing a "modern blueprint" regarding how to harvest local support, acknowledged that the Community Benefits Agreement (CBA) is inherently conflicted. But the picture is far more troubling.
Take, for example, the chair of the CBA coalition: Delia Hunley-Adossa. Her organization, the obliquely named Brooklyn Endeavor Experience, is ostensibly supposed to monitor local environmental impacts. It has mainly a Potemkin responsibility, and has done and said nothing regarding continued violations of construction protocols. Instead, she's more of a cheerleader.
A long article in Next City concluded, "Seven years after the Brooklyn document was signed, five of the groups have been mostly silent or reconstituted after without much fanfare." And even that article was way too gentle.
The Independent Compliance Monitor
After signing the much-promoted CBA in June 2005, as shown in the film Battle for Brooklyn, Bruce Ratner claimed that, if there was any failure in compliance, there could be litigation. Mayor Mike Bloomberg intervened: "You have Bruce Ratner's word. That should be enough for you and everybody else in the community."
The CBA was supposed to require an Independent Compliance Monitor (ICM). In a March 2007 press release, Bruce Ratner stated:
"Atlantic Yards is setting a new standard for inclusion and community involvement for a development, and the ICM will be everyone's watchdog to ensure we reach all of the goals and benefits we have agreed to in the CBA."They've never hired an ICM, and thus saved the $100,000 a year once supposed to be set aside for that role.
Jacobs vs. Moses
According to a 5/2/13 New York Observer article, MaryAnne Gilmartin, Forest City's new CEO "also expressed her admiration for Jane Jacobs, praising her focus on mixed-use development and declaring that: 'It may surprise some given my developer DNA, that I identify more with Jane Jacobs than Robert Moses.'"
It may surprise some, indeed. As architecture critic Paul Goldberger has suggested, "So if there is any way to follow Jane Jacobs, it is to think of her as showing us not a physical model for city form but rather a perceptual model for skepticism."
There's ample reason to be skeptical of Gilmartin and of Forest City, and not just because of Atlantic Yards. The Culture of Cheating extends throughout other corporate behavior.
The Yonkers trial
Forest City Ratner's Ridge Hill retail/office development in Yonkers was the subject of a federal corruption trial that ended in March 2012 with the conviction of the City Council Member who flipped her vote to endorse the project and the fixer who had been providing corrupt payments to her all along--and just happened to ask Forest City Ratner for a job as the negotiations proceeded.
Federal prosecutors, in post-trial motions, make it clear that Forest City, though not criminally liable, benefited hugely from Sandy Annabi's vote--and her failure to disclose her conflict of interest with Zehy Jereis:
Had the public known that Jereis had been giving Annabi hundreds of thousands of dollars over the course of several years, that Jereis and Annabi had a meeting with the Ridge Hill developers before the vote, and that Forest City Ratner promised Jereis a $60,000 no-show consulting contract if Annabi flipped her vote from no to yes, there would very likely have been a clamor for Annabi to be recused from the July 11, 2006 vote on the Ridge Hill Project... The largest development project in the history of New York's fourth largest city might never have been built. Or the developer might have had to make significant concessions.As the trial proceeded, Crain's New York Business columnist Greg David, generally a friend to developers, commented that Forest City Ratner must be relieved that its "See no evil, hear no evil" posture in Yonkers got so little attention. Yet the state agency overseeing Atlantic Yards nevertheless claimed that it was confident that Forest City remained a "good corporate citizen."


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The central problem with the game is the victory conditions, no doubt about it. The sole objective in any game is to kill as much of the enemy as possible, that is it. There is nothing whatsoever else to it, everything else is secondary to achieving this goal. Map control merely exists to gain more points to buy more things to kill more stuff. Flanking exists to outmaneuver your opponent so you may kill more of his units than he can yours. Supply is merely to give you the fuel, munitions and slapped on armor to keep your units functioning better than your opponents.
There is no deeper strategy to the game, what exists is putting together a unit-composition that is superior to your opponents and then out-playing him. It is sad but it is true. I wish it wasn't, I really wish that this game rewarding critical thinking and strategic maneuvering, but it does not.
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You cannot summarize it only by "Beat your opponent" and claim there is no meta.
You have tons of way for win your game, since you have to kill units, and there is tons of em, tons of way to kill em, a lot of field situational tricks, and a lot of manoeuver opportunities.
Just try to compare W:EE to other RTS with others victory conditions : a lot of them turn in slugfest or clickfest. Especially thoses with vitcory points, like CoH or DoW, same in WiC. Imagine if you apply victory by zone and add no value to unit losses : you will have all zones captured expect one, where there will be a perpetual slugfest between each force. That is happening in other cap based victory game's, and they have no more strategic depth than W:EE. And I dont mention Dune II based gameplay like SC or other, everyone know their flaw points.
There are not any other RTS where you cannot claim the goal is to beat your opponent, and where all meta deserve that goal.
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I wish Granderson made these "adjustments" a few months ago instead of last week.....
I wish Granderson made these "adjustments" a few months ago instead of last week.....
Hoping Rivera can pitch forever!
Fire Thomson now!!!
You don't remember the NL Cy Young voting last year? Look down at the bottom of this link. There is better stuff, but I don't have the time to find it now:Originally Posted by yankee82093
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
it would have been nice, but it's not like they weren't working on getting him straightened out until last week or Long has a questionable track record in helping his hitters.Originally Posted by parkerstrong
sometimes it takes a bit before you find what works.
I suppose that's encouraging. I can see Adam Wainright isn't too high on sabermetrics. lol.Originally Posted by Yankee Fan in Boston
I think YES showed a clip of how certain things had already been changed since the first Boston series in his swing ... anyway, I'm glad they found whatever is working (even if it is too late, better than never)Originally Posted by unfamous loser
"If you're a Yankee fan, or if you're not a Yankee fan - you have to admit, we're winners."
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if this change is permanent, then maybe you can consider trading gardner. too bad hanley seems to be off the market permanently.
oy vey
right, but it's one thing they've tried (and it seems to have worked, which is why YES latched on to it) - not the only thing they have, even if we didn't hear as much about the other stuff.Originally Posted by mal1219
Long and Curtis weren't just sitting back, doing nothing about his struggles, until last week.
Actually...Originally Posted by unfamous loser
During a season, how often does the batting coach really get to sit down and work with his guys?
Stella said, "Daddy when you gonna put me in a song?"
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Holy hell. A guy talks clearly and enunciates his words and he gets chided for it? Dude really can't win.Originally Posted by flymick24
Yup, especially when the team has played a ................ load of consecutive games with out a day off.Originally Posted by NYYDragoon
Granderson was benched for what, 2 or 3 games so they could rework things?
Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
Am I the only one who thinks he was joking?Originally Posted by TheYankee
Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
Humor doesn't always translate well on the interwebs, so maybe...Originally Posted by CanoForPresident
a hitting coach works with some more intensely than others at different points, sure, but the team itself pushed that "Long is going to get him to hit lefties!" meme so hard from the get that it's common sense that he didn't just start touching on Curtis' issues last week.Originally Posted by NYYDragoon
Well, that was over ST, which is the time to get those things done. I just don't think you can do those sorts of things during the season (as CFP said, that's why Granderson had to be benched).Originally Posted by unfamous loser
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And, really, the offseason seems to be when guys can really step back and make huge changes.Originally Posted by NYYDragoon
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
Nice to see him getting hot. He has looked much better since the mechanical changes. Lets hope he can do this thru the rest of the year...if he can, I think we'll all forgive him for underperforming the first 4-5 months.
Jesus Montero since June 1 (286 at-bats):
July 1 (182 at-bats):
Excellent piece of hitting. His bat is caliente. Working with Long has helped no doubt. He has enough time to go on a tear and salvage the season. Maybe not the 35-40 homers we expected, but at least a end up with respectable numbers, and by that I mean better than the "just about average" that should be expected of him.
In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating while wearing a pair of Crocs.
Personal liking of players aside, credit where due.
He's certainly playing very well for this past week or so, and if it means anything at least for just this series is crushing Austin Jackson.
After 2 games and 5innings:
Jackson is 3-11 (1 HR) 1R 1RBI 1BB 4K 1SB 1CS
Granderson is 5-9 (2B, 2 HR) 2R 2RBI 2BB 1K 1CS
/insert SSS joke
Of course the SSS means nothing, but hopefully being productive after working with Long gives him some confidence.Originally Posted by H.Kokubo
"Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late" -- Branch Rickey
When you have people after Jackson's first AB of the series posting, "Wow - Jackson really rubbing it in Cashman's face" in the Cashman thread, it breaks down to SSS. Regardless of what Jackson is or isn't doing, I'm stoked that he's hitting the ball with authority and working counts a little better. Again, perhaps as impressive as 5 for 9 and 2 HR is the 0-2 count against LHP he converted into a walk yesterday.Originally Posted by H.Kokubo
Keep it up Granderson.
Granderson should give Kevin Long part of his salary. Or at least a generous tip, LOL.
We'll see how long this lasts considering it's been a paltry 26 AB's, but wow. Sometimes all it takes is just "rearranging the furniture" so to speak to change the mindset and get into a better rhythm.
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Right now, his numbers are similar or creeping toward last year's (with less power), an "off" year for him.
Let's hope he builds on these numbers, and by the looks of things, he should. We don't want a disappointing 2009 version, with less power, either. The past few days he's giving us some hope.
In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating while wearing a pair of Crocs.
I´ll always remember Cone using those words when Burnett grabbed his balls in a start last season.Originally Posted by TheBamTino24
"I am the law, bitch"
Since we're speaking of SSS, and I'm not one to normally compare the two (I try to judge Granderson on his own merits), but rook is looking pretty damn good, and pretty damn cheap.
In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating while wearing a pair of Crocs.
QFT...Originally Posted by dabomb2045
"Jesus Montero is a stud," one evaluator wrote in an e-mail. "One of the best young hitters I've ever seen, period."
Walking the bases loaded to get to him was the ultimate diss by the Tigers.
In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating while wearing a pair of Crocs.
Damn it, that last AB turned back the clock a few weeks, still making progress though.
"I am the law, bitch"
I don't see anything insincere about his postgame interviews.
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logged in just to say I thought it was the perfect post game interview...I missed the first half of the season (overseas), and although it's a been a bit of a downer lately, I am really loving this team.
Welcome back.Originally Posted by DanB
Is this topic still going? His answers are a little long-winded, but they come across as 100% sincere to me.Originally Posted by NYYDragoon
"Whether they're offended or not, that's the way it is."
Sorry, False1, my Labtop crapped out while I'm visiting New York and I had to buy a new one. I think I got ripped off.
Ever have a Dumb Dumb moment? That's what I'm having reading the first half of your post. What a train wreck.... You've got so many concepts intertwined, its hard to follow. For the life of me, I don't know what the hell Matsui has to do with Granderson and Jackson.Originally Posted by False1
When I classify a player as platoon , I don't make determinations based on a one year sample size.
Granderson vs LHP
2007: .160/ .225/ .269/ .494/
2008: .259/ .310/ .429/ .739
2009: .183/ .245/ .239/ .484
2010: .229/ .264/ .314/ .578
AJax vs LHP
2007: Total .246/ .313/ .517/ .830
2008: Trenton .286/ .379/ .469/ .848
2009: Scranton .301/ .342/ .413/ .755
2010: Tigers .248/ .302/ ..291/ .593
Matsui vs LHP
2007: .274/ .316/ .451/ .814
2008: .315/ .362/ .389/ .751
2009: .282/ .358/ .618/ .976
2010: .200/ .238/ .400/ .638
Can you spot Waldo?
Did you even read my first post. In Granderson's case, its all about diminishing returns, Cashman made a brash decision based on homerun potential and looked right past his debilitating weakness against LHP'ing and this isn't even taking into account signs of continuing decline over the past three years.
2007 .302/ .361/ .552/ .913
2008 .280/ .365/ .494/ .859
2009 .249/ .327/ .453/ .780
2010 .247/ ..314/ .428/ .742
The AJax/Granderson comparison speaks for itself.
Grandy: .248/ .316/ .437/ .753/ wOBA .327 wRC+ 104 WAR 1.8
Ajax: .302/ .354/ .405/ .759/ wOBA .342 wRC+ 112 WAR 2.7
It should be noted that OPS is misleading sometimes because it assumes that SLG and OBP contribute equally to offensive effectiveness, and they don't.
Look at wOBA for the two guys, for instance:
Grandy: 327
Ajax: .342
Even that doesn't really do justice. Prior to Granderson's mini hot streak, his OBP was around what Mike Jacobs' was before he was let go. It' was awful and still isn't great. Jackson's is quite respectable. I'll take a bunch of singles and doubles over a few homers sprinkled in with a .316 OBP any day. Homers are nice but not making outs is more important. This analysis doesn't even factor in age and salary considerations. When he's 30, He'll be owed another $18.25 million minimum over the next two years. At age 23, Jackson is making 400K and won't be eligible for arbitration until after the Yankees have already forked over 23.5 million to Granderson.
Hey, I haven't given up on Granderson, but he's had hot streaks before, and if he continues his path of success for longer than one week, I might jump on the Grandy express. Until then, I remain sceptical. It's nice to see him get a couple of dingers against his former team and sticking it to Leyland and Dombrowski.
We've flogged over this before and I'm not continuing this debate everytime you have Matsui moment. Matsui is the same hitter playing to a bigger ball park. It's no coincidence that he's hit three "traditional" Yankee stadium Homers in the right field porch in 4 games. Whether you want to admit it or not, his numbers would be better had he been dawning pinstripes. Matsui would recieve better protection with Cano behind him than the Rivera/Napoli combo in L.A. It's proven that the short in right favors LH power hitters like Matsui and a point brought up by BOBLOBAW that should be addressed is the Angels Daunting travel schedule, one of the worst in major league baseball. As far as signing him for 2011, if he accepts a minor role as a part time player, I'd take him back in a heartbeat. Although, I have a feeling the DH will probably be occupied by Posada on most nights.Originally Posted by False1
What, Cliff Lee or Adam Dunn aren't to your liking? We wouldn't be shopping for a CF'er, Gardner would have it covered. Cashman would have to look for a LF'er and those aren't too pricey. Your really looking for a stop-gap LF'er and then going after Crawford in the offseason. It's also a good bet Damon would have resigned. Our defense would have suffered a setback until Cashman worked out a trade at the 7/31 deadline. Even if Ajax wasn't used in a trade, you still have him maturing another year in the minors until a possible trade becomes available and that's not a bad thing. There isn't a need to rush things.Originally Posted by False1
What?! No smirk?! He's an ungrateful, non-negro dialect fool who should be should feel lucky to get to wear pinstripes!11!1! RAWR!Originally Posted by NYYDragoon
He gives off that vibe man! Dude should be on Nickelodeon!Originally Posted by TheYankee
Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
stats don't tell the whole story here. we couldn't have an OF of melky and brett or brett and ajax. both players have holes, but granderson has elite potential. ajax's power had declined in AAA the last few yrs, right, so how many singles hitters do you want in the OF ?? this was a weird offseason where there were no show-stopper FAs or slam dunks for cashman. he had to choose among different wounded birds who would not have been on the market or would have commanded much more if they didn't have risks attached. nick had health. curtis had LHP and down trends. javy had the spectre of 04. nick bombed, javy has gone up and down like the stock market, and granderson has struggled but has been trending up. i think we have to assume it wasn't just a mindless hard-on move based on power stats, i think they thought they could fix him. and guess what, they might be right.Originally Posted by murpjf88
based on what you have seen, i prefer granderson as a player. maybe ajax will pull it together, but he Ks too much and not enough power for me. he's the ideal 4th OFer for this team. maybe he will morph into more, just as brett did, dunno. but my sense is granderson is a much bigger impact player. and getting granderson gave cashman the flex to move melky and do the javy deal. so it's been a bumpy road, but i think there's some logic to it.
Well see.... JSG, If Pettitte retires, and we have CC, AJ, and Hughes in our rotation. Obviously, we go after C.lee. I wonder what your take on signing Brandon Webb as your 5th starter. He might come at a cheap price becaquse he has to prove he can still pitch... But, if it works out, it would be quite a rotation.Originally Posted by JSG
I know this question wasn't directed at me but hasn't Webb been on the shelf for almost 2 full seasons with a shoulder issue?Originally Posted by murpjf88
I'd rather go with someone like Nova whose best years are ahead of him, assuming that we get Lee.
Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
Yeah, he's been on the shelf, and that's why he might come cheap. Nova should be given a chance at some point, just not sure when.Originally Posted by CanoForPresident
I think that breaking in Ivan Nova this season wouldn't be such a bad idea considering how we need arms, especially with Pettitte out for an extended period. I think Moseley and Gaudin have already shot their load.
In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating while wearing a pair of Crocs.
I hear you but we're talking about two full seasons with the same injury, which happens to be to the shoulder on his pitching arm.Originally Posted by murpjf88
Its an interesting idea and wouldn't be a bad risk to take depending on how cheap he comes, but it'd have to be for really cheap on a 1 year deal IMO.
Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
Yeah, I also heard Arizona is planning to use him in some bullpen stints in September, kind of like an audition going into free agency. If he does well, it will be interesting. I wouldn't mind taking a swing at him.Originally Posted by CanoForPresident
Grandy's definitely sincere, but you must admit he says "victory" or "victorious" with the same frequency that Willie Randolph would add "y" to the ends of last names to imply he's tight with his players. [e.g. "Josie" for Reyes or "Greeny" for Shawn Green]
"I see Jesus Montero as a potential once-in-a-generation force on offense."
I love that whenever AJax does something in this series, Grandy turns right around and upstages him. It's great.
A really long winded post with a dig in the opening line? Why does that not surprise me. Is that your "coping mechanism"?Originally Posted by murpjf88
I'm intertwining specifically because I'm trying to determine if your conflicting POVs across a few threads are driven by some animosity you have for Cashman or if you're just trying to win the internet. There are instances where you try so hard to find some clever way to make Cashman look dumb you inadvertently demean the moves you are saying he should have made.
You've killed Cashman for acquiring Granderson due to his inability to hit lefties. I know the trend for Matsui (whom you've jackstomped Cashman for not signing) , and I know (and don't put a ton of weight on) the minor league splits for Jackson. But what matters as it relates to those moves is what he thought those players would do this year, and what they are doing this year. Neither Matsui or Jackson have hit lefties materially better than Granderson THIS YEAR... which is the evaluation period that matters. We'll have to wait and see what they do in subsequent years, but you're tearing Cashman up now.
You didn't really address the question I posed. So... if no Granderson, you're ok with going into this season with Melky as a starting outfielder and Mitre as a 4th starter? Don't give the canned Damon response... he simply punted himself out of the plans and we had to move on to another solution. I think you've agreed that Jackson wouldn't (and shouldn't) have opened the season with us. If we wanted an impact player, we had to give up a nice prospect+. And that's what Cashman did. Let's get specific... what would you have had him do differently without the benefit of hindsight, and what would the relative cost of that move(s) been?
"Prior to Granderson's mini hot streak..." So those at bats don't matter? Those hits and homeruns don't count? Yet you flame anyone that brings up Jackson's babip and his freakishly hot start to the season.
You think that the M's would have taken Jackson as a centerpeice in a Lee deal? After turning down Montero? Or the Nats for Dunn? I'm not so sure about that. I'm thinking no on Lee and probably not on Dunn. I also think that for all Granderson and Vazquez' warts that unless we make other moves using other big chips their replacements would have cost this team several wins... and instead of dealing from a position of strength we'd be dealing to try and stay ahead of the Sox for the WC. As I said in my post, if he was still in our system we probably could have used him in a Haren deal, which would have been great IMHO, but again that means we have a hole in the outfield and in the rotation until AZ put him on the block.
Looking a lot better. Hopefully he can hit consistently the rest of the way, he changes the dynamic of the lineup when he hits.
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I would love him on a minor league deal, but I think unless he's throwing off red flags re: his shoulder this offseason someone will give him a major league deal.Originally Posted by murpjf88
But again, back to my confusion on your conflicting POV's... you have ANNIHILATED Cashman for gambling on a DH that played 130 games last season, yet you're advocating signing the guy who has had the same number of pitching shoulder surgeries the last two years as innings pitched? A guy that just two months or so ago was told by specialists that he needs to change his arm slot if he wants that shoulder to show progress?
I'd call this a calculated risk that should be explored, but can't rationalize how you think Cashman's an idiot for signing NJ yet think Webb is someone he should target.
This is where reading comprehension has failed you. Your insistence to ask rhetorical question is somewhat puzzling. You know my feelings for Cashman aren't strong, yet, you need a simple reminder in every single post. I'm surprised you don't see a problem with that. Win the internet??? Snappy comeback. Now, lets talk like adults. You'd know if you actually read my posts, its more than Granderson's inability to hit lefties. Contract and regression play a huge role. Your really clueless in the common-sense department. Matsui has nothing to do with Granderson or Jackson. Now your comparing DH's with CF'ers? Matsui is linked to the NJ signing. NJ was a bust in every sense of the word. Signing an injury prone DH to replace an even more injury prone DH is farcical. Signing Matsui wouldn't have hurt the bottom line and certainly wouldn't have impacted Curtis or Austin in any way.Originally Posted by False1
Your really wearing out the term "Hindsight". Hindsight is crutch used to cover another one's mistakes. Is there ever a move in MLB that couldn't be explained by Hindsight?
- Chop- In hindsight, he was a good pickup because he pitched well in the post season for Philly.
- Gaudin- In Hindsight, he was a good pickup because he pitched well for us down the home strech last year.
- Randy Winn- In hindsight, he was a good pickup because he was a decent LF in the past and he came cheap.
Do you ever listen to yourself talk. Cashman thought in Hindsight Matsui wouldn't hit lefties this year so we'd better cut him loose. Ajax has hit lefties throughout his minor league career but hindsight tells him he won't hit lefties this year. Hindsight tells Cashman that Granderson will be only marginally worse than Ajax and Matsui, so I'll trade for him. That's brilliant!!! The only credible part of this entire quote is "wait and see".
Furthermore, I don't look at one year LHP splits as an end all, but then again, it's all you got, right?. Just for sh*ts and giggles, and probably just an oversight on your part, NJ hit a sour note vs southpaws as well. It's convenient how you pass on AJax's minor league splits, to show that he's had past success against lefties, yet you have no problem using them to show K-rate and walk rate as a continuous pattern toward self destruction.. Waffle much? I can't blame you, it's convenient but not complete. We'll file this under Gardner can improve and Ajax can't.. Now you see where coping mechanism comes into play.
I actually did answer your question... Copy and paste. "We wouldn't be shopping for a CF'er, Gardner would have it covered. Cashman would have to look for a LF'er and those aren't too pricey. Your really looking for a stop-gap LF'er and then going after Crawford in the offseason" And your in denial about Damon. The Granderson trade made Damon expendable. That's just the way it is. Melky and Mitre have much to do about nothing.Originally Posted by False1
Well, I guess I'll counter with the other 2/3's of the season doesn't count? Those AB's don't matter? Those K's and outs don't matter? Anyone who knocks Jackson's freakishly hot start isn't paying close enough attention to Gardner.Originally Posted by False1
Your thinking is flawed. Montero's attitude cost him a landing spot in Seattle. With Gutierrez patrolling CF for seattle (251/317/371/688), they wouldn't take Austin, but Arizona would with Chris Young (273/343/480/823)???....Farout pipe dream. My guess is he'd be 30 by the time he made it out of the D-backs farm system. My thinking is Seattle very much would have been interested in a high upside CF'er. The only real pending question is how much did Seattle value Smoak? In the case of Dunn, Nyler Morgan is a poor man's Ajax (261/.322/.322/644) and still looking for his 1st homer of the season with over 440 PA's to his credit. Washington is always looking for young high upside talent so they continue to build toward the future.Originally Posted by False1
This is my rationale. What does Cashman have to do with it. Cashman would probably pass on the idea. I said I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Brandon Webb especially if he gets a chance to prove himself this September.Originally Posted by False1
This is it for me. If you manage to produce something of substance in your next retort, I'll PM you my reply. I don't want to take part in killing off another performance thread with you . Feel free to PM me if you want.
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First we took some time now from relaxing on the river to talk a little bit about foreign policy.
One of the things the 9/11 commission reports that is they were war with us we weren't at war with them.
Do you think -- or less to think it's -- gotten worse you think we've.
I think there's still -- war with us.
And I think we've done -- a good job we laid the ground work obviously after nine elevenths unfortunately -- have commitments -- -- After 9/11 two.
Put together the interrogation program in the -- surveillance program in the Patriot Act all those things that work.
Vital to keep us safe and for the remaining seven years of our administration.
They them.
The system with respect to drones and -- the drones have something the president pushed aside and on.
Back right after 9/11 with the weapons platforms and of course that's worked very well and and it's produced some significant results and the Obama administration's use that in effect where -- get credit -- -- but.
I'm really worried because if it makes a big difference whether you think it's a law enforcement problem.
Got some -- that's awful moment public place that the law enforcement problem if it's part of -- of an Islamist crusade against the United States they kill 3000 people on morning that the war.
And it affects how you think about problems and what resources to bring to bear on the war.
Requires a whole different level that -- force to deal but if you don't recognize that it's a war.
Then the risk you run them again and hit again because you didn't do enough to prevent that attack.
Than the risk goes up.
And I worry now that the risk is going to -- There's -- via an attack here tomorrow but some are -- very much you know it's been eleven years now almost since nine elevenths.
People get complacent.
I think that was -- one off event.
It may not happen again when I worry about is that the next time we get hit we'll get hit with far deadlier weapons and airline tickets and box him.
You know it's amazing I a look at that.
I get reporters -- -- about the rise of radical Islamist.
You know you have known for your entire career Defense Secretary to -- student congress vice president for eight years.
You know many many people leaders in the Middle East.
Why don't I have the sense that radical Islamist -- worse than what we think it is far more pervasive from there's a poll before.
Somewhere between the Arab Spring a couple polls that showed that most people in Egypt on a true real law most people want -- religious government.
That tells me that they -- into a more radical view.
I don't mind as well I think you have to be thank you have to distinguish I think there -- an awful lot of Muslims in the world that are good folks we deal with on a regular basis have dealt with American bases in the past.
-- worked closely with a lot of the folks in the Middle -- after 9/11.
-- -- -- Dealt with the issues replacement back in desert to a twenty years ago me first trip bouncer after.
The Iraqis invaded Kuwait doesn't first weekend crisis.
Get assistance from the saudis and the egyptians.
-- Then boy they really -- him and we had a common cause it was Saddam Hussein -- was bloody dictator killed.
Thousands of his own people with chemical weapons which started two wars do try to build nuclear weapons.
And and other an awful lot of people that part of the world that signed on and worked with the United States and fought beside us as -- Don't know sis complicity.
Some egyptians some IA I think it's a lot more complicated as I think I think go with respect to Saudi Arabia my own personal view is that the regime.
Is viewed as legitimate that's -- This is not a a dictatorship.
King Abdullah as a good man known carriers like him.
Dublin among a number of occasions and great friends and allies have space to become so I -- I think you have to make careful judgment.
-- the have a very different system we'll have -- morality police women of all right some.
They do have a different system but you know they they get their right to pick their way to live as much as anybody else -- Know when you get into dictatorship.
Something like Moammar Gadhafi government.
Who by the time they get in trouble and trouble everybody that was anybody left in -- -- And he had the one point even had a contract in Saudi Arabia.
So if it's a very complex part of the world and I I don't look at it in the fashion that I can sort of right everybody off as problems wars.
I think there's some very very fine people that part of the world -- -- -- -- -- -- -- the United -- over the years.
I do think that when you get into the area where you've got somebody supporting terrorism.
Whether it's you know religious group.
More room.
Group dedicated to.
And -- it's it's a government that provides support and sustenance for terrorist organization base of operations for the financial support military support.
Than me that government.
Is our enemy these incidents and it's one of the policies we pursue the controversy after nine.
If you're state that provides a safe harbor terrorists you have a problem for us and I finally.
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He's an enemy of gay people, bestowing on them the kind of bigotry that his Church used to reserve for Jews before 1962. He's an enemy of women, barring them from the priesthood as if a penis was an essential tool for pastoral duties. He's an enemy of truth, promoting bare-faced lies about condoms not protecting against AIDS, especially in Africa. He's an enemy of the poorest people on the planet, condemning them to inflated families they cannot feed and so keeping them in the bondage of perpetual poverty. A poverty which sits ill beside the obscene wealth of the Vatican. He's an enemy of science, obstructing vital stem-cell research on grounds not of true morality, but of pre-scientific superstition.
Ratzinger is even an enemy of the Queen's own church, arrogantly dissing Anglican orders as quote, "Absolutely null and utterly void," while, at the same time, shamelessly trying to poach Anglican vicars to shore up his own pitifully declining priesthood. Finally, and possibly of most personal concern to me, Ratzinger is an enemy of education. Quite apart from the life-long psychological damage caused by the guilt and fear that have made Catholic education infamous throughout the world, he and his Church foster the educationally pernicious doctrine that evidence is a less reliable basis for belief than faith, tradition, revelation, and authority. His authority.
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Living whales may seem scarce in the world's vast oceans—and their carcasses even more rare. But to animals and bacteria that feed on these graveyards, they are a rich source of life. And to one doctoral researcher in Sweden, they proved to be a source of several new species.
In her dissertation for the University of Gothenburg, Helena Wiklund describes nine new species of polychaete worms found living in whale carcasses and other nutrient-rich areas off the coast of Sweden, Norway and California.
A whale carcass can bring as much nutrition to the seafloor as would otherwise take some 2,000 years to filter down. Wiklund and her coauthors note that although the worms seem to be especially adapted to live in environments such as whale falls, where they feed off the bacteria that cover the bones, they seem to also be thriving in bacteria-rich areas of waste resulting from human activity, such as below fish farms and even pulp mills.
One of the new species—the Vigtorniella ardabilia, a chrysopetalid annelid—was described in a paper published earlier this week in the Zoological Journal of the Linnean Society, and three others—of the Ophryotrocha genus—were described earlier this month in Zootaxa.
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Finding new species of life inside a whale carcass and realizing that this whales carcass houses so much nutrition for the ocean floor. Could we speculate as to what species or earthly nutritional benefits are we missing out on because we bury our dead in coffins?
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I would think the reason we haven't discovered a new species is that: (1) we're too new in Earth's very long history to have a species adapt to only human remains; (2) not many people are interested in poking around human burial sites; and (3) human remains that have been poked around (by anthropologists and the like) haven't produced many (if any) new or exclusive species that subside specifically on the decay of human bodies. Oh yes, and (4) human bodies buried beneath the surface are not unique environments - in fact, they differ very little from the many animal species that have been buried by geologic, human, or biological activity.
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