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This movie couldn't have sucked more........it tried like a good little hooker though.
Watched this with my mates yesterday. It was actually pretty great. Wasn't super but was entertaining and full of actions. Definitely a huge improvement from 'Clash of the Titans'. CGI was brilliant. The effect of smoke and magma spreading all over the ground just looked absolutely amazing. And one thing I personally loved was Liam Neeson using his *force* to push the enemy away. Me and my mates were all like "Oh that's Qui Gon jinn Shit Right There!'. One thing i didn't really like was probably when they were stuck at the labyrinth. I think they spent too much time on that and the Minotaur (sorry for ruining the plot btw) was just stupid in my opinon. But In overall, Great film to watch. I give B+.
Perhaps what Michael was referring to was those great big Spherical creatures you see in Walmart of the female sort. I'd pay full price to see Sam Worthington fighting off 5 or 6 great big CG Walmart Titans. Holding back those chubby cheeks shaking and jiggling with drool as they're trying to eat him with a big long tongue lashing around his face, with steam coming out of their mouth and cheese puff crap all over their lips. Now that's something Liam Neeson hasn't fought!!!
I used to date a girl who was really sweet and beautiful and she loved animals, it was so sexy. BUT, she loved animals a little toooo much. We were at the gym were I work and a moth flew by and I smacked it out of the air and as it spun to the ground I stomped on it and ground it up. She slapped my chest and said "WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT??!!" My reply was, it was a bug in my gym and nobody likes insects flying around the gym, it looks bad. Safe to say it didn't work out. Always thought of that song Mary Moon "She's a vegetarian". Maybe she can work for E.T.M.A. saving titans. ^_^
What Korey said about the girls it would be so true for me!
I was thinking the same thing, but I don't think he counts because he's a robot.
I had a "daaaaw" moment there.
wheres the video review??????
Oh, I want a three headed dog. It would really discourage solicitors, but I think my mailman might object.
ETMA!! lol That was hilarious
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Well, the surge protector I had been using for ages finally fired last night . . . took the wall outlet with it So - time to invest into a quality UPS . . . something I've been meaning to do for a while. Currently looking at this model: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842570001 Thoughts, suggestions, recommendations? My cap is $900 (not including shipping costs), and prefer at least 1200W, 1500+ VA, at least 6 outlets, and all the other good features one would typically look for in a quality UPS.
I like Cyberpower ones like this one although i would not spend that much on any ups lol. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...02068&cm_re=cyberpower-_-42-102-068-_-Product EDIT: I would how ever buy 2 more of their under the $200 mark Like these ones http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...02070&cm_re=cyberpower-_-42-102-070-_-Product
Well, TBH, I'm not too keen on the UPS brands - I've spent some time today doing some research and what not . . . my thinking (at least concerning the GE model) was that GE is fairly solid when it comes to electronics . . . AsRock - yeah, I had glanced over those earlier . . . the first link might be in the right ballpark, but the second one is under-rated for the load that will be running through it . . . between my rig, monitor, old-school stereo and amplifier, printer/scanner, desk lamp, and a few other "necessities." One aspect I've noticed that has steered me away from some models are the rated running times - considering some of the work I do, I'd prefer as much time as possible on battery power, and the higher the units rating, the less it'll be under max load . . .
For the second link i was thinking more of having 2 and having the load split if that's possible that is. More plugs too . A friend of mine has known a UPS go pop and he said it was not pretty but they cover ya ass when shit does happen. He said they were totally fried including what was connected to them. Which makes me think having 2 ( if possible ) than 2 high ones is a better idea. Might want to check in to battery replacements too just to see how much they are.
Computer and monitor are the only of those that should be plugged into the battery. Stereo, amplifier, printer/scanner, lamp, and everything else not critical to the operation of the computer should go into the "surge" only outlets (or a completely separate surge suppressor all together). I am running 3 CyberPower units here and they have all been working great (700w and up). They get about 15 minutes of runtime but they are ordered to power off after 2 or 3 minutes on battery power in order to conserve their charge should I turn them on and the power goes out again.
That means it provided no surge protection AND was one of the most dangerous items in the house. Any surge protector that fails (ie so that the light indicates failure) was woefully undersized. Any protector that also takes out a wall receptacle is telling you how dangerous that protector always was. View scary pictures of what most every fire department has seen: http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=556&parent=554 http://www.ddxg.net/old/surge_protectors.htm http://www.zerosurge.com/HTML/movs.html http://tinyurl.com/3x73ol http://www3.cw56.com/news/articles/local/BO63312/ http://www.nmsu.edu/~safety/news/lesson-learned/surgeprotectorfire.htm http://www.pennsburgfireco.com/fullstory.php?58339 Some of those events are structure fires. One is a fire marshal describing why those fires exist - and why you also put you and the family at risk. Now view joules for that UPS. See that even smaller number? A power strip protector with more joules was also near zero protection. Now you will have better protection with even tinier joules? Did you read manufacturer specification numbers? Or just assume the myth that a majority believe? You had a potential house fire because the protector did what those specs say it will do. No protector must fail that way. In fact, MOV manufacturers state quite bluntly in datasheets that those parts must only degrade - not fail as you witnessed. Please learn from your experience. Please learn why plug-in protectors so desperately need to be protected by an earthed 'whole house' protector. Why would you buy another scam after witnessing the human safety threat created by a woefully undersized protector? Please learn why responsible and high reliability facilities never waste money on those plug-in protectors. Please learn from your near disaster.
Well - keeping in mind that the surge protector I was using was near 20 years old, and was never initially designed for the type of modern hardware we use . . . I'd say it had finally degraded so much that it had no other choice but to fail. I've even known that an overloaded surge protector is just as dangerous as not using one, even the wall outlet "multiplier" hookups are a poor excuse. The only thing a surge protector is designed to handle is an overload in the circuit - a "backup" breaker, if-you-will - typically caused by outside sources (such as blown transformer, brown/black-out, lighting strike, etc.). But, they're much like a bicycle or motorcycle helmet - once tripped, they should no longer be trusted. All electronics degrade over time, this is basic knowledge that I've known for the last 20 years, as I've grown up around this type of work. Sure, I know full well it was my fault that I was still using such an ancient unit, and that I had never gotten around to purchasing a reliable, quality UPS as I had intended for the last few years. A UPS eliminates nearly all the problems associated with over-loaded surge protectors, so long as you pick the correct unit for your workload . . . they act as a surge protector (for those devices plugged into those circuits), and filter out voltage spikes and other errata from the power lines caused by brown/black-outs, local transformer issues, neighborhood circuit overloading, etc. . . . all phenomena that cause pre-mature failure and degradation of electronic components and devices. The device in question did not present an issue until my rig was turned off - in which case, there was too much current moving through the unit, and something gave. When I said it took out the wall outlet, I had meant that there was a distinct blackness around the terminals - no melted terminals or connections, no charring of the wall itself or the outlet surround, no distinct marks of electrical arching on the female terminals or male terminals of the plug. Any outlet or connection that has become black is worthless and unreliable in my book, and will be replaced - even if there is no apparent physical damage to the outlet, terminals or the surround.
Protectors do not degrade that way. MOVs degrade by changing voltage - typically by 10%. Even a degraded protector must not fail catastrophically. Any protector - new or degraded after 20 years - that fails catastrophically was undersized. That failure mode is never acceptable. Surge protectors are designed to earth direct lightning strikes - and remain functional. Unfortunately, protectors designed only to maximize profits cannot and do not do that. The only protector (installed for direct lightning strikes or even transformer primary shorted to your low voltage 120) that provides that protection is properly earth. Starts at about 50,000 amps. And costs about $1 per protected appliance. Such protectors do not have names such as APC, Tripplite, Belkin, or Monster. Only more responsible companies provide them such as General Electric, Siemens, Intermatic, Leviton, and Square D. The Cutler-Hammer solution sells in Lowes for less than $50. A friend suffered 33,000 volts shorted to his neighborhood service. At least 100 electric meters were blown up to 30 feet from buildings. Many had those grossly undersized and not earthed plug-in protectors. Therefore many lost appliances and protectors. My friend knows someone who actually learned this stuff. Since he had a properly earthed 'whole house' protector, then only his utility electric meter was destroyed. UPS does not provide the protection that popular myths claim. For example, the appliance connected directly to AC mains when that UPS is not in battery backup mode. Nothing but a relay to provide protection. When in battery backup mode, the typical UPS can output, for example, two 200 volt square waves with a spike of up to 270 volts between those square waves. Why is this ideal electricity? Because all electronics are so robust. Whereas the UPS output is ideal for electronics, it can also be harmful to small electric motors and power strip protectors. Where is its surge protection? Does not exist. Don't take my word for it. View its manufacturer numeric specs. Where does it claim protection - in numbers - from each type of surge? It does not. Well it does protect from a type of surge that is not typically destructive. That near zero joules is enough to claim "surge protection" in big letters in its sales brochure. Then many others will claim that UPS provides 100% protection. The effective protection is that 'whole house' protector. That UPS is for temporary power during a blackout - time to save unsaved data. Or maintain data (ie a TV show) on your TV. That UPS only provides ineffective surge protection. In fact, power strip protectors have better protection numbers than UPSes. What often acts as a surge protector? Some appliance. Surges seek earth ground. By finding earth destructively via one appliance, then that appliance may protect other appliances, the UPS, and power strip protectors. Protection is always about where energy dissipates. Either you 'divert' that energy harmlessly to earth. Or that energy is inside the building hunting for earth destructively via some appliance - with or without a plug-in protectors or UPS. Bottom line - a protector is only as effective as its earth ground. What provides protection? Not any protectors or UPS. Protection is where energy is harmlessly dissipated - earth. The effective protector must always make that short connection to single point earth ground. Nothing new. This is the same technology well proven for the past 100 years. It is what every telco uses everywhere in the world so that your town does not lose phone service for four days. That routine and that well proven. Protection has always been about where energy dissipates.
As I had mentioned in my last post - a UPS acts as a surge protector for devices attached to the protected circuits . . . . . . and as you expanded upon - by literally sacrificing itself. If a UPS was to take the brunt of an over-voltage or "surge" situation, the unit would literally have it's ass handed back to itself (and if you're lucky, not have any other device go down with it). I had never stated that a UPS offers better surge protection than a dedicated unit, only that (in a modest fashion) it performs nearly the same way . . . nor had I contested that fact that dedicated surge protectors offer nearly ten-fold better surge protection than a UPS can. A UPS' only major points are available backup power (in the even of power outtages), and that they provide a steady output current to attached devices. They can be thought (more-or-less) as a combination surge protector/voltage regulator/backup device. I had never said, either, that I hadn't intended on purchasing a quality surge protector, either . . . c'mon, I'm no where near dumb enough to shell out hundreds of dollars on a quality UPS and not give any thought to what will protect that investment. It would be simply ludicrous to do something like that. IMO, the necessitating benefit of a UPS is it's steady output . . . something you can only really get with a quality unit . . . but relying entirelly on a UPS for complete protection is simply inane.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842111139 I got the model prior to this one for our AS/400 and it runs it for 15 minutes, and has lasted longer than most of the APC, Minuteman, belkin, and other brands I have been using or tried.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102048 I've got that model Cyberpower. No UPS is going to give you good runtimes, they are designed to give you time to save your work and shut the machine down properly, not actually continue to use the computer. Everything unnecessary should be plugged into the surge side, not the battery side. The only thing that should be on the battery side is the computer and the monitor. The runtime on the unit I listed above is about 15 minutes with just my main rig and monitor. Of course you could always buy two of the cheaper models and run the computer/monitor off one and everything else off the other...
You are assuming the protector works by absorbing energy. Destructive surges are hundreds of thousands of joules. How does a few hundred joules blunt a surge that is hundred of thousands of joules? It does not. Read that UPS spec numbers. A few hundred joules is made completely irrelevant by protection already inside the stereo. Protection that must exist to also meet safety codes and international standards for 'transients without damage'. A surge woefully too small to harm that stereo easily destroyed a grossly undersized protector circuit. Then assumed, "My protector sacrificed itself to save my stereo". Reality. With or without the protector, that stereo would not be damaged. A surge too small to harm a stereo also destroyed a grossly undersized protector. That is how the manufacturer gets myths to promote his product. Furthermore - any protector that fails that way violates what every MOV manufacturer demands in his datasheets. An MOV that fails catastrophically exceeds what any MOV manufacturer intended his product to do. Twice over - your sacrificial protector does not provide effective protection. But undersizing also creates another problem that most every fire department has seen. These scary pictures are just another problem with protectors that are designed as profit centers - do not even claim to provide that protection: http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=556&parent=554 http://www.ddxg.net/old/surge_protectors.htm http://www.zerosurge.com/HTML/movs.html http://tinyurl.com/3x73ol http://www3.cw56.com/news/articles/local/BO63312/ http://www.nmsu.edu/~safety/news/lesson-learned/surgeprotectorfire.htm http://www.pennsburgfireco.com/fullstory.php?58339 Another reason for installing a 'whole house' protector? Plug-in protectors and UPSes need protection provided by one earthed 'whole house' protector. Define quality protector. Monster Cable sells for $150. Therefore it is quality? Hardly. It is the same circuit also selling for $7 in a grocery store. With fancy paint and a higher price so that many wish it is quality. Quality protector always has that short connection to single point earth ground. Often costs tens or 100 times less money per protected appliance. Those scary pictures should have your attention. Many have the same protector circuit also sold for $150 by Monster. UPS has only one function - to provide 'dirty' and temporary power during a blackout. So cheap that the replacement battery often costs almost as much as a new unit. So cheaply made that battery life expectancy is not much beyond 3 years. And near zero surge protection.
The best is just good wiring and a clean ground. Next is a sacrificial circuts like are used in the lightning protection for my base station antennas. If the resistance between two fillaments is lower for a high energy than the electrical circut that is being powered the energy chooses the lower resistance to ground. As long as the common 120V does not have the potential to jump the gap, or complete the same circut it. It becomes a effective lightning, or surge suppressor. A computer wiring is a bit different than thick copper coils in a transformer. .5 more volts to a CPU can kill it.
Dude . . . WTF kinda crusade are you on? I mean, seriously . . . how many times are you going to repeat yourself without reading the jist of my posts? If you failed to grasp the idea that I'm not going to be relying on one sole form of protection, then perhaps you might want to chill for a second with the pushy "scare tactics" . . . go back, re-read my posts, let it sink in for a bit, and see what it comes to from there . . . Or do you want me to get the lynch-mob, pitchforks and torches lit up for you?
Dude, when are you going to stop recommending inferior or ineffective (but highly profitable) protection to others. Every protection layer is defined only by the one thing that provides protection - single point earth ground. None of your 'magic box' solutions do what you are preaching. Why are you complaining when your claims are not even made by those manufacturers? An effective protector connect short to protection. Or that protector may earth surges through adjacent appliances. Why are you getting emotional. Apparently you do not have facts to defend those myths. Protection for an entire house is earthing that meets and exceeds post 1990 National Electical code. And a 'whole house' protector connected short (ie 'less than 10 feet') to that earthing. That is a complete secondary protection system so that even direct lightning strikes do not damage anything - even the protector. Dude - that is reality. Moving on: Above is the secondary protection system. Each protection layer is defined by the one and only 'always required' component - earth ground. The primary protection system should also be inspected because - and again - a protector is only as effective as its earth ground: http://www.tvtower.com/fpl.html That UPS does not act as surge protection for appliances connected to it. A myth promoted by a majority only because others have told them to believe it. UPS's joules are near zero. It connects appliances directly to AC mains when not in battery backup mode - to provide the cleanest power. And it can generate surges (in battery backup mode) that may be harmful to power strip protectors. What kind of protection is that? Not what you have posted. Read its numeric specifications. Dude, you are posting claims that a typical UPS manufacturer will not make. The informed homeownuer upgrades building earthing - and installs one 'whole house' protector. The suprerior solution costs about $1 per protected appliance. It not a profit center advocated by myths.
You're talking to someone who lives in a house that's been struck by lightning 4 times within the last 10 years alone . . . the house and all circuits within are fully protected from such massive external spikes. Again, go back and re-read my posts . . . you obviously haven't. I never said that the UPS would be the only protection for the devices attached to it. As well, I never stated, either, that a UPS functions as a better surge protector than a dedicated protection strip. What I did state is that a UPS acts as a "filter" for the filth in the line - something that a surge protector does not do. You must realize that we're dealing with AC voltage - not DC. AC operates on a "push & pull" method, meaning that electricity alternates from power to ground and back again . . . whereas with DC it flows from power to ground. The push/pull effect can generate small spikes and dips in current, which will typically pass through any surge protector . . . many times these small voltage spikes come from your home's external power source (the neighborhood transformers, etc.), but they can also come from within. Whenever a powerful appliance is turned off (i.e. washer, dryer, stove, TV, microwave, etc.), it can create a "backlash" or "spike" of current that can afflict many other devices attached to that circuit . . . these small spikes are extremelly damaging to appliances, and even more-so to the PC. Those spikes can be quickly translated through the PSU to your hardware. The home-ground system, lightning arrestor, or any other "service entrance" form of protection DO NOT provide for internal circuit protection from appliance induced spikes . . . they are designed to block massive surges from your home's external source of power. As well, circuit surge protectors ARE NOT designed to filter these small changes in input current - they're only designed to stop and ground massive spikes. Then there's interference induced into a line from nearby appliances, too - EMI/RFI can be deadly things to electronics, and can makes these small spikes and drops in current much worse . . . internally induced noise is yet some another aspect that home-ground and surge protectors do not protect from. A UPS, though, is designed to filter these small changes in current, as well as line noise, and provide a steady form of current to whatever appliances are attached to it. Anyone who relies solely on a UPS for protection of their devices needs some schooling - if you had actually read my posts, you'd find that I never said otherwise. I fully intend to install a reliable and solid-quality surge protector into the circuit before the UPS. It would be simply effin' retarded to shell out hundreds of dollars for the right UPS, only to leave it to the whim and fancy of the wall outlet. Your method and advice are great for protection from externally induced surges and should be taken note of by those who do not have such systems - especially if one's home or neighborhood transformer (or another home on the neighborhood grid) has never been struck by lightning . . . but, again, those devices will not protect from issues that arise from internally within the home.
this is the one i have http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=23 it is excellent and handles 2 quad core rigs folding multiple gpus fulltime with a 22" and 24" lcd monitor attached. plenty of power to spare and on full load with great software to adjust how responsive you want it to be to power fluctuations. cost me about $200
To demonstrate knowledge, define the electrical path that each surge took. If you have damage, then you listed that damage including the incoming and outgoing surge path. Otherwise, you have observations not supported by the underlying science - junk science conclusions. Amazing how many know a surge (high voltage) existed only because a blackout (low voltage) occurred. The word credibility applies. Routine is for a plug-in protector to earth a surge destructively through any adjacent appliance. A TV's protector earthed a surge through a portable phone base station in another outlet in the same room. Learned basic circuits to know that portable phone is electrically connected to the same power strip that a TV connected to. Please learn some basic electrical concepts which also explains why that TV's power strip earthed a surge through a nearby phone base station. Both paragraphs are facts learned before you can tell us anything about four strikes. Based upon details posted, you have only speculated that strikes existed. And then automatically assumed protectors that do not claim that protection, instead and miraculously provided that protection. How did that protector do what even its manufacturer will not claim? A problem we engineers so often must confront - bluntly. Experts who know without first learning. That UPS acts as a filter? Absolute nonsense. You would have known that from facts and numbers already posted. Why did you ignore technology to again post an outright myth? Learn what a UPS does. It connects an appliance directly to AC mains when not in battery backup mode. How does a relay become a filter? Please. Every question in those post not answered only further confirms too much 'knowledge without first learning'. How does that relay become a fitler? More questions. Where are numbers that claim any filtering? I install the same filter by purchasing some two cent capacitors at Radio Shack for their inflated 70 cents. What kind of filtering is that? Same filter the your UPS does. But again, you have claimed filtering without also posting the numbers. So again, where is this filter in that UPS? A sales brochure said "Filter" and forgot to include the phrase "Near Zero"? Since it had no numbers, then you "know" that filtering stops spikes and surges? How does that filter stop what three miles of sky could not? Credibility says you have an answer. Especially when you read those manufacturer spec sheets to know before posting. Existing filter required in every appliance (including the microwave, TV, etc) by FCC regulations are superior to what that UPS does. Where are you numbers to dispute this? Unfortunately your numbers will only confirm this paragraph. Massive filtering already exists in appliances. But somehow s UPS does filtering? Well, yes. The only filtering is required for its control circuits – while all other appliances are connected directly to AC mains. Another example of 'knowledge without first learning'. Those internal transients are damaging to appliances? Another myth so insulting because the deception is obvious. AND was exposed in earlier posts - with numbers. Reposting those myths only degrades your credibility. Did you not grasp layman's reasons why those spikes do not exist? Or maybe you just forgot what was posted. If spikes exist, then you are replacing dimmer switches and GFCIs every day. Are you? Please, learn this basic knowledge before posting. Or return to learn from an earlier post. Please stop embarrassing me with those junk science myths. Please learn simple electrical concepts before posting "these small spikes are extremelly damaging to appliances, and even more-so to the PC. " Obviously that is not true – can only exist when someone entertain hype and fear – and does not learn the numbers. What are small spikes? Tens of volts. What is the output from a UPS when in battery backup mode? Two 200 volt square waves with a spike of up to 270 volts between those square waves. If appliances are so destructive, then a UPS destroys everything. Please learn reality before posting. How can anyone attribute credibility to your posts after you ignore technical facts; repost "small spikes are extremelly damaging"; promote a virtually zero filter inside a UPS as miraculous. So how much does it cost to replace a dimmer switch and bathroom GFCI every hour? Reality - those interior destructive spikes are classic urban myth - never existed - easily promoted so that fear replaces logic. Please read and comprehend technical facts to protect your credibility. Amazing how those ten volt spikes cause damage when a 270 volt spike from a UPS does not. All appliances - especially computers - already contain protection that make those mythical spikes only further irrelevant.
http://www.wvlightning.com/protection.shtml Lightning will choose the path of least resistance, as long as that is the external ground rod, water pipe, or some other form of ground it will go to that. That is why all the UPS's and surge protectors have a ground fault light. It lets you know that the path to ground through your device is less resistive than the path to earth ground. I forgot to mention that a good test of your groudn rod is to use a hot 120V source and a 20 amp fuse, with the ground wire disconnected hook the 20 amp fuse to power and touchthe other end of it to the rod. If it pops the fuse it is OK, if not then there is too much grounding resistance and you must add another grounding rod, or replace a older eroded one.
Have you ever been in a home when it's been struck by lightning? If you have, then you obviously know what the hell just happened, and not a simply "blackout." It's a blinding flash of light, followed near instantly by a massive "boom" that will shake the whole house . . . and less than a second after that everything goes off (circuit breakers tripping) . . . and close on the heels of that phenomena, there's a very distinct taste and smell of ozone in the air (or static electricity, if you want to call it that). Once you've been in a home that's been struck, there's no mistaking it. It's not some simple loss of power. It's a shaking moment that will not just fade from memory. So, now you're a full blown expert, eh? An engineer? Something I've learned from years in the field is that engineers are great with "theory" and design but fail miserably when it comes to actual field experience. Relay? Or condenser? There are countless forms of filtering components that are added into circuits - things from simple capacitors that filter small voltage fluctuations, to ground transient filters designed to eliminate noise on the ground channel. But, obviously, an expert such as yourself knows all about eletrical filters, right? Again - I step back to my earlier statements that a UPS is not, nor should be, the primary form of protection for an appliance. I'ts filtering is in removing the "dirt" from the input current - not filtering massive issues. Again, a surge protector is best designed for that . . . I never said it wasn't, and I never said that a UPS is designed to completely replace a surge protector. You've continued to take my posts far out of context, simply to twist what I'm saying in support of your argument, without offering much in the way of helpful information yourself. All I've seen are some links to pages that equate literally to "scare tactics," with no further linking to other proof to back up your claims. You seem to forget that a UPS is designed for PC systems - not appliances. Although appliances can be plugged into one, there's not much point. A PSU has little to no filtering of incoming current - it's been a notorious issue amoungst overclockers of small surges in the incoming current being passed along to the hardware . . . it can make a stable rig unstable, and risk unnecessarily damaging components. But, I guess your knowledge of appliances is just that, and does not apply to PC hardware, correct? I'm embarassing you? Or are you just being embarassed as the conversation leads further out of your realm? I'm sorry, but I can't further explain the concept of push/pull over-voltage . . . perhaps you might know the concept as backfeeding. Did I ever mention anything about a UPS' output when in backup mode? Nope. Do you keep jumping to this arguement thinking that a UPS is constantly running in backup? Yerp. TBH, I don't give a total rat's ass what the output is in backup mode - when that phase has come full round, the rig needs to be properly shut down . . . not weather it out. The use of a UPS after the use of surge protection devices is to allow for the system to be shut down properly. Instantly cutting power to a rig can be dangerous and damaging to the highly sensitive hardware . . . if you don't grasp that concept, you might want to quite picking fights and start researching PC components. So, I take it then that you've sat probing a wall outlet all day with a sensitive DVOM? Or are the thousands of claims from other certified professionals wrong, too? Well - if you want to keep stouting technical facts, why don't you go ahead and dig them up? You're whole presence in this thread has been nothing but trolling, IMHO. You continue to overlook what I post, and fail to comprehend what I post . . . then proceede to twist my words around, and argue points that are contradictory to my statements. All the while posting links to scare tactics, then demanding I post up factual numbers, yet you don't want to backup your "technical" information yourself . . . all the while claiming that I don't grasp basic concepts, when it seems that you don't grasp them either. Good day to you, sir, but I tire of this tepid BS.
i don't want to be a mod dick but if this convo doesnt get back to good UPS suggestions then it will have to be closed...
Yes. And that is not relevant. Amazing how you know 'feelings' can replace knowledge. Have you measured lightning? Do you have any numbers? No. Which is why your posts mock rather than provide reality or contribute anything useful. Near zero knowledge corresponds to the near zero specifications you also posted. You had protector failure and a blackened outlet because that was ineffective protection. It did exactly what the specs said. No effective protector fails that way. None. We earth a 'whole house' protector so that even direct lightning strikes blacken nothing. So effective that nobody even knew the surge existed. So effective and so inexpensive that your telco installs one on everyone's phone line - for free. But that means you might learn what has existed for generations. UPS obviously has virtually no filtering. It does not claim to remove 'dirt'. Does not even make that claims in specs. The typical UPS in battery backup mode outputs some of the 'dirtiest' electricity. You would know this if you learned facts rather than how to disparage others. All PCs are required to have significant filtering. Even you could learn by that filter is required by FCC regulations. If you had learned anything - other than posting insults - then you could have read that FCC requirement on every power label. But you know that filter does not exist. Furthermore, trivial transients (ie noise) do not damage any appliance. Why does the up to 270 volt from a UPS in battery backup mode not harm electronics? Electronics are so much more robust - filtering and other reasons. You might learn these numbers before posting long winded myths. This is no longer about surge protection. Steevo provided much information you never learned. You don't want to discuss technical facts. This is about the integrity of those who recommend a scam. Who resort to insulting others when basic technical reality was not learned. Others should learn from imperialreign's near fire. That UPS does near zero filtering. Any serious filtering already exists in electronics - especially computers. Do not waste money on devices that cannot provide protection. That do not claim that protection in manufacturer specs. That do not make the always required short connection to earth. Protection is always about where energy dissipates. Either harmlessly dissipated in earth. Or destructively inside the building - as imperialreign's damage demonstrates.
There is no plug-in UPS solution for what the OP wants. The only type of UPS that can solve his problem is a building wide solution located at the service entrance. That answer is posted repeatedly. But what solves the OP's problem? Earthing a 'whole house' proetctor. Clearly the superior solution that also costs tens or 100 times less money. Reality does not change only because one does not like what the numbers and 100 years of well proven science says.

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Looks like this is about definitions...
I don't think I recall even a single case where a company has openly admitted to their mistake, *responded* and made a good-faith effort to rectify the problem, yet nevertheless ended up in court.
It all depends on the definition of "good faith". The whole tempest started boiling when FSF sued CISCO. And as Rob Landley claimed it happened while CISCO was doing the honest good-faith effort to rectify the problem. It's just, you know, five years is not enough for them to get their house in order, that's all.
Well, got that: if you try to reach compliance but that's hard then you can spend years and that's Ok, because it's hard, you know. Hmm... Home come Youtube was sued when it spent less then three years trying to solve similar problem? Home come Megaupload was not given five years? Somehow when copyrights of "big boys" are violated "good faith" is "you must do everything you could to stop that... pronto... today, or, better yet, yesterday". Youtube won in the end, but not because Google installed new copyright protection system, but because it already did what the law required at the beginning of the lawsuit. Even so: Google went to great lengths to make sure they do not only the bare minimum law requires, but they go above and beyond. Because, you know, they are large and powerful and so must be held to higher standards. Yet somehow CISCO, SONY and other large companies should be given years before they'll do even bare minimum? Gosh.
P.S. I'm not happy to live is this super-litigious world. I'd much prefer to live without copyright at all (and yes, I know that in this case it'll be harder for me to sell my own work, too). But as long as large companies continue to raise stakes WRT to copyright violations we have no recourse but to respond. IMNSHO what SFC is doing is relatively mild response to this copyright escalation. The whole "tempest" looks silly for me: it's as if Bacterian complained after the fight that Krillin should be disqualified because he used dirty tricks.
About the calculus for the project
Posted Feb 9, 2012 21:26 UTC (Thu) by landley (guest, #6789) [Link]
They had just taken Linux development back in-house for new routers (like the WRT610n) that had the capability to do a lot more in software. The guys in taiwan had monkey-patched the old broadcom build system into a horrible mess, all the package versions were 5 years old, and they were creating a while new build system (code-names "Bruschetta" and "Prosciutto" for minor variants of the same thing), and the new one came with a whole open source methodology they were setting up with public websites and participation on public lists and engagement in the community and a dedicated code auditing period between GM and actual production where the developers did NOTHING but confirm source versions and license info and ship the _source_ before shipping the _product_.
And then the FSF came in sock-puppeted the SFLC to go "you know that thing you outsourced to Taiwan after the first lawsuit, and haven't touched in 5 years, which the entire new development effort is aimed at obsoleting and replacing with current vanilla versions of everything? We're suing you over it AGAIN!"
And senior management went "Open Source is Not To Be Trusted", killed off the new in-house Linux effort, and outsourced support of existing WRT610n units to... Red Hat, I think.
The toolchain the FSF was suing over was A) from 2003 or so (gcc 3.2.3, binutils 18.104.22.168, linux-2.4.20, glibc-2.2.5. In 2008), B) from broadcom (cisco never had the source), C) a generic mips toolchain for a 5 year old hardware architecture. I'm fairly certain a toolchain built from all the vanilla sources would have happily worked as a drop-in replacement, but it was so old old nobody could build it on modern distros (and linux-2.4.20 wouldn't compile with gcc 4.x):
But by all means, consider the FSF's actions _useful_. After all, the end result was that all the guys working on getting vanilla Linux working well on the WRT610n were transferred off of Linux development to do Windows and IOS...
By the way, the only reason I know _this_ story in such detail is I was (purely coincidentally) on the other side of it. I expect the other enforcement actions were often equally pointless and/or counter productve, I just didn't get inside details from the engineers impacted by them. I just heard from lawyers and managers, and got code drops through intermediaries (which never had anything in them we would want, but I had to trawl through anyway to confirm that it did in fact reproduce the binary and identify random source control snapshot X plus backports of these 15 random commits out of the same source control system, plus debug printfs that really shouldn't have shipped, and they hardwired in these constants instead of learning how to use the config system...) All I really know about those _other_ actions is they were a complete waste of time from the perspective of BusyBox development.
(P.S. When I told the SFLC/SFC to stop representing me, they raised the fact I was giving up settlement money to try to convince me to stay. But money was _never_ why I did it, and it's not why I stopped either. I started the busybox enforcement actions because I thought it was the right thing to do and would help BusyBox and embedded Linux development and adoption, and I stopped when I figured out it was at _best_ useless, and most likely doing real harm to the goal of getting the most people to use the best software, harming _both_ the "most" and "best" parts of that goal.)
Posted Feb 9, 2012 22:13 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]
Well, if you are correct then your heart-rending story just reiforced the the ekj's point:
The guys in taiwan had monkey-patched the old broadcom build system into a horrible mess, all the package versions were 5 years old, and…
they still had no plans to ever produce sources for the devices they continued to ship.
This is obviously unfortunate but alternative is to basically give the CISCOs of the world right to ignore license requirements for as long as they want and to only participate in the development when they want. This is basically what Apache, BSD and MIT licenses are doing. Well, who knows, may be this is indeed the best way - but then the way to do this is not to ignore GPL and pretend you can treat it like the BSD license, but to actually rewrite or relicense all the GPLed code under BSD license.
Do you plan to rewrite Linux kernel you or do you plan to use *BSD kernel instead? This is honest question: inquiring minds want to know. Because the whole point of the aforementioned exercise was to show that "drag your feet, ignore old compliance issues and they will go away in time" does not work. Toybox by itself will not be sufficient to protect the companies.
Posted Feb 10, 2012 1:56 UTC (Fri) by landley (guest, #6789) [Link]
But if the linux kernel becomes the nest of lawsuits busybox has, how hard would it really be to replace?
Context: the iPhone is running a bsd derivative already, and it didn't take apple all that long to switch from MacOS 9 to MacOS X (and that was porting the whole of MacOS userspace on top of it, _and_ there was a crazy divergence onto microkernels with mach they had to back out again)? Remember how Darwin is technically OpenDarwin?
The amount of engineering effort Google's already devoted to the Android kernel would let it fork a BSD kernel (net, open, free, dragonfly, darwin, doesn't really matter which), port all their new driver stuff to it, and get it reasonably working with their userspace in about 18 months.
Keep in mind, all _they_ want to do is run dalvik. Most of the stuff that Linux _has_, from massive SMP scalability through I/O elevators to container support... isn't really used on Android phones. Heck, bionic couldn't getpwnam() anybody but root last I checked...
Intellectual exercise: what would it take to port Linux 0.0.1 to android hardware? (Linus wrote that in 3 months, as a student. And when he started he didn't know how.) Now what would it take to extend that to where it could run Dalvik, drive an LCD touchscreen, a speaker and microphone, talk to the flash hardware, and control a dozen GPIO pins for buttons and LEDs and such? (The radio's already a binary blob running on another processor. Basically we're talking "u-boot with a scheduler".) How _small_ a team could do this? How long would it take? Now, does Google have the ability to do _better_ than that? How much better?
I'd say the android guys clearly _could_ replace the Linux kernel, if pushed. I don't think they _want_ to, and I'd like to be clear that I would not consider this a good outcome. But lawsuits are a nuclear option. You rattle sabers all you want, use them for leverage and negotiation. But stabbing somebody with them is an act of war. Flinging lawsuits around on a regular basis like the SFLC is doing means you're a rogue state, and must be dealt with. It's gone beyond "counterproductive".
I did not suddenly suggest "hey, I wonder if anybody would want a BSD licensed embedded command line" to other people. Neither did Tim. "No GPL in userspace" was NOT OUR IDEA.
Lots of people approached _Tim_ in his capacity as CELF dude. (Tim runs the Consumer Electronic Linux Forum and the Embedded Linux Conference that the Linux Foundation recently consumed. That's why people come to him and go "do you know of an X, I'm looking for one".) Tim wasn't the only one sniffing around, he's just the one who was willing to go _public_ about it, and take the heat for doing so. He was _responding_ to lots of people out there.
Everybody's flipping out about toybox but totally ignorant of the other projects out there also working on this:
http://beastiebox.sourceforge.net/ http://hg.suckless.org/sbase/
And so on and so forth. Toolbox itself would be one if Google put any work into it. The demand for a non-GPL busybox is something out there that _exists_, due to the SFLC and SFC's overuse of lawsuits. It's like antibotic resistance: use your "defense" stupidly and aggressively enough for long enough and the ecosystem adapts to render it irreelvant.
If it wasn't for the GPL aspect, wouldn't the busybox lawsuit factory be lumped in with the patent trolls and the BSA? You just seem to think the goals justify the means. I don't.
Posted Feb 10, 2012 9:47 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]
Context: the iPhone is running a bsd derivative already, and it didn't take apple all that long to switch from MacOS 9 to MacOS X
Yup. Measly ten years (NextStep was bought in 1996 and MacOS Classic was abandoned in 2006).
and that was porting the whole of MacOS userspace on top of it, _and_ there was a crazy divergence onto microkernels with mach they had to back out again
They have not ported the whole of MacOS userspace. They ran old system and new system side-by-side. Similar to dosbox or KVM.
Sure, they kept some APIs, but ultimately MacOS X and MacOS Classic share very little (besides the name).
Remember how Darwin is technically OpenDarwin?
That's prehistory - and another ten years of development (from about 1985 to 1996).
I sincerely doubt it. They will need to port all the hardware drivers first and talk with partners, etc. Realistically speaking it'll be about three-four years till the first raw port (this is how long it took to produce the first version of MacOS X: porting started in 1997, first version of MacOS X was released in 2001 - and it was poor sight, it was incomplete, buggy, etc).
Keep in mind, all _they_ want to do is run dalvik. Most of the stuff that Linux _has_, from massive SMP scalability through I/O elevators to container support... isn't really used on Android phones.
...today. But with 8-cores on the horizon and other similar development it may become important before long.
Intellectual exercise: what would it take to port Linux 0.0.1 to android hardware? (Linus wrote that in 3 months, as a student. And when he started he didn't know how.)
You'll need to find the right kind of guy, but yes, it's doable in similar time. Give or take. Of course (unlike PC) you'll need to keep porting thing to new versions of phones again and again, but that's doable.
Now what would it take to extend that to where it could run Dalvik, drive an LCD touchscreen, a speaker and microphone, talk to the flash hardware, and control a dozen GPIO pins for buttons and LEDs and such?
That's where it gets hairy: Android uses surprising amount of very modern features. It's not clear how fast you can implement them from scratch. It's obvious that you'll need years, but if you'll need fifteen years, five years, or three years is interesting question.
I'd say the android guys clearly _could_ replace the Linux kernel, if pushed.
Not really. They can replace it if this will be strategic goal and development will need to start well in advance (think Apple's switch to Intel), but not if pushed: even three years delay will be enough to kill the platform (ask PalmOS guys).
You rattle sabers all you want, use them for leverage and negotiation. But stabbing somebody with them is an act of war.
Bullshit. Have you looked on number of Android-related lawsuits lately? How many of them lead to total abandonment of the platform and switch to something else?
Flinging lawsuits around on a regular basis like the SFLC is doing means you're a rogue state, and must be dealt with.
Actually flinging lawsuits around on a regular basis is "business as usual" in mobile space. Think Apple and Samsung: they are partners yet they sue each other anyway.
These people are not developing software designed to make GPL violation painless. Toybox was in the same bucket for years, it only become controversial when Tim basically said: our subcontractors like to violate GPL and this is a problem because pesky SFC likes to enforce it - we must make sure these violations are painless for us. Note that this is from a guy who works for a company which goes to great lengths to sue people which help others violate their valuable IP (AFAIK Geohot never pirated anything SONY-related himself).
Of course when faced with blatant hypocrisy (when Geohot helps other people to violate SONYs copyright then he should go to jail, but when SONY's subcontractors violate GPL then we should help them) people flipped.
It's like antibotic resistance: use your "defense" stupidly and aggressively enough for long enough and the ecosystem adapts to render it irreelvant.
Perhaps. That's why I asked what you plan to do to replace Linux kernel. It looks like you have no plans in this area which makes the whole thing supremely disgusting.
If it wasn't for the GPL aspect, wouldn't the busybox lawsuit factory be lumped in with the patent trolls and the BSA?
If you lump BSA together with trolls then you already lost the ball. These are entirely different menaces. As for SFC… yes, it's here because BSA is here, but last time I've checked BSA had no plans to disband itself any time soon.
Posted Feb 10, 2012 16:05 UTC (Fri) by landley (guest, #6789) [Link]
I honestly hadn't thought about it before you brought it up, but I could install one of the BSDs in QEMU and regression test under that the same way I occasionally pull out my old Red Hat 9 image and see what subset of the functionality works under that. In theory I'm programming to posix (largely because bionic is a vague port of the OpenBSD libc).
You might as well be asking how I plan to keep kosher. This is not my fight. I don't personally like pork, but I don't avoid cheeseburgers either. I can make sure to _regularly_ have milk whenever I have meat, just to make sure you lose, but my goal here is to get you to go away and stop bothering me.
So ok, Toybox should make sure at least a subset of the commands can also build and run on BSD. Right, I'll throw it on the todo heap...
Posted Feb 10, 2012 18:32 UTC (Fri) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
with that argument just about all opensource project are illegal.
after all, what's linux but a project to let people have a unix-like system without complying with the proprietary licenses of the commercial unix systems?
what's openoffice but a project to let people have an alternative to microsoft office without complying with the proprietary licenses that microsoft sells?
if you go hunting for it, every opensource project can be framed in a way as to be encouraging people to avoid complying with some commercial license (the free as in beer part of freedom), and this is frequently touted as a significant reason for the open software existing by the project itself (not just a third party talking about the project like in the case of toybox)
Posted Feb 10, 2012 18:50 UTC (Fri) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]
This is clearly a nonsense interpretation of what was asserted and I'm disappointed that you'd choose to bring it up this way. The assertion was that because the software only ran on a GPLv2 system and was only useful in this context that building a system using this software for the sole purpose of not complying with the source sharing requirements of the GPLv2 was abetting software piracy even though this software itself is not GPLv2 and does not, itself, have source sharing requirements. This exactly has zero parallels with your examples.
Posted Feb 10, 2012 19:03 UTC (Fri) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
I think that both arguments are nonsense, but if you believe in one, the other comes along as baggage.
Posted Feb 10, 2012 19:27 UTC (Fri) by jake (editor, #205) [Link]
and who on earth has made this argument? not liking him doing so is hardly a claim that it's "illegal" ...
Posted Feb 10, 2012 19:37 UTC (Fri) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
if you load the full series of comments and search for 'illegal' you will see it being introduced.
Posted Feb 10, 2012 20:12 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]
Please try to actually do that, Ok. You'll find that the first post is mine and it clearly states I have no problems with Rob's work.
Rob wrote busybox replacement to solve some problems with busybox. No problem so far. Then later Tim comes along and convinces Rob to change the license citing SFC as the reason. This is the point when the whole outrage started and at this point it stopped being about technically interesting rewrite of busybox and started being about legally questionable GPL infringement easement.
Only court may say for sure if such thing is legal or not, but the very fact that it's sold under "let's make sure SFC can not sue us for the violation of GPL while we continue to use identically-licensed other pieces of code" is not just morally wrong, it's highly questionable on legal grounds, too.
Posted Feb 11, 2012 22:30 UTC (Sat) by landley (guest, #6789) [Link]
Except that's not what happened.
Tim was trying to start a project called "BentoBox", which most likely would extend Android's Toolbox, and if not would start over from scratch. He was doing so in his capacity as CELF guy (not a Sony guy) because a number of different manufacturers had approached _him_ looking for such a thing, and he thought that pooling their resources was better than each of them writing yet another half-assed bsd-licensed not-busybox (toolbox, bsdbox, beastiebox, sbase, who knows how many private ones behind closed doors?)
Initially, I told him I wasn't interested. And then I thought about it and went "A _billion_ android devices. They've already had five years to ship busybox and didn't. Something is going to fill that market vacuum, and when it does it will be BIG."
I also thought: I really liked working on toybox, I only stopped because I didn't think anybody would ever use the result, because no matter how technically better I make it, it would have to displace an existing "good enough" solution with a ten year headstart including years of my own work. But... market vacuum. Billions of seats. They're going to use SOMETHING...
Tim still hasn't paid me a dime, and may never do so. (I'd love it if he _did_, but that's not why I restarted Toybox.)
I am the one who chose to relicense toybox. I didn't wait for Tim to decide to redirect his bentobox thing, I didn't wait for anybody to come up with any money, or a marketing campaign, or even a promise to use it instead of going off and doing something else that would compete with it.
I decided that Toybox should be restarted as a BSD-licensed project (Tim was proposing Apache license for bentobox). It was my code, I'm the only one who _could_ relicense it, and I'm certainly the only one who could make me work on it.
I am not Tim's puppet. And I'm not your puppet either. I've been programming since I was 12, releasing the results for free since almost that long (300 baud modem to BBS's: the first program I wrote and uploaded was "The Bard's Tailor", an editor for C64 bard's tale game save files), and doing so as open source since 1998. I didn't even MEET Tim until 2006.
That's the annoying assumption here, that some large company is pulling the strings, it's a conspiracy! In reality, large companies haven't had time to REACT to any of this. Tim made a proposal Sony has yet to even _evaluate_, and he works for them! Fortune 500 corporations move very, very slowly. They haven't noticed this project EXISTS yet. I may have 1.0 out before they do.
P.S. And please: Tim citing SFC at _me_? I fell out with SFLC before SFC forked off from them, I was very public about it in my blog, and have linked those old blog entries here ad nauseam. The no GPL in userspace thing is an Android policy which my _current_ employer (Polycom, I work in board bringup which has nothing to do with any of this) has adopted itself for Android products it ships (basically all new ones). I.E. the team I personally work on at my day job does board bringup in vanilla-ish Linux (A TI fork thereof, anyway; we recently got to upgrade to 2.6.37!), and then once we've made all the hardware work the prototypes get reformatted and handed off to a completely separate set of developers who install an android kernel (again from TI) and userspace, and write a Java GUI that runs in Dalvik and gets packaged into an apk file to install into Android. Those guys can't use _any_ GPL stuff in userspace. The only reason _we_ get to is that none of the userspace code we write ever _ships_. We're mostly just figuring out which wires aren't connected up right and which existing drivers don't do what we need them to so the vendor (TI) can fix 'em.
Posted Feb 10, 2012 19:33 UTC (Fri) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198) [Link]
Posted Feb 10, 2012 19:49 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]
… and without using any code from said unix systems. The very first goal was to make Linux self-hosted and make sure you can use it without buying license for Minix.
… and without use of any proprietary code at all. Important milestone was reached when openoffice was freed from all binary blobs.
Wow. That's certainly bold statement. What kind of proprietary software will you need to use Linux, OpenOffice.org, GCC or any other tool? All FOSS projects I know strive very hard to make sure they can be used without any proprietary software at all. And when they need some binary blob it's always a problem which is considered quite serious - and this is not the new phenomenon. Number of drivers are not in Linux's mainstream kernel simply because they need binary blobs with questionable licenses.
Compare it with project under discussion which quite explicitly is useless without GPLed components. And when asked about replacement for the other piece of puzzle the author itself noted that he honestly hadn't thought about it before. Sorry, but I find it quite hard to believe it's the same thing when people explicitly say that they want to make sure all the licenses are followed to a T and when they say "here is pile of identically licensed code which license is often violated but where some piece is more often in spotlight, let's make sure this piece is removed but keep everything else under the very some terms".
If you'll show me bazillion of companies which complied with GPL WRT to linux kernel but were still hurt by SFC then I'll take all my words back and readily admit that SFC really goes to far. So far I've not seen even one such company.
Posted Feb 10, 2012 20:09 UTC (Fri) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
Posted Feb 10, 2012 20:26 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]
so if toybox can run on BSD it's legal
Oh no. To make it run on BSD is only a first step. Then you need to convince people to actually use it in such configuration :-)
If BSD port will just be a curiosity then court will [rightfully] say that it's existence is just a window dressing. Napster was capable of commercially significant non-infringing use - yet it was not enough, after all. But if BSD port will be used often enough then, sure, it'll mean that toybox relicense happened for other reasons besides copyright infringement facilitation.
but if it only runs on linux it's a circumvention tool and illegal
Again: nope. It's only illegal if it's only runs on linux and if a lot of companies continue to use it to violate GPL license for Linux kernel in [relative] safety.
We'll see what happens. Perhaps now, when toybox is available and SFC can not use busybox to sue shady contractors, they will suddenly wise up and all start voluntarily comply with GPL license for kernel or may be they all will switch to BSD... but I somehow doubt it'll happen.
Posted Feb 12, 2012 16:55 UTC (Sun) by landley (guest, #6789) [Link]
P.S. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=plonk+usenet
Posted Feb 12, 2012 18:59 UTC (Sun) by armijn (subscriber, #3653) [Link]
Posted Feb 12, 2012 19:17 UTC (Sun) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]
The license under which you develop you software has nothing to do with legality of such activity as I've already explained.
If this project is supposed to solve problem of GPL copyright violation in one way or another (or if it's created to solve some other problems, not related to licensing at all) - then it's good, lawful project. If it's goal is to conceal an infringement - then it's illegal.
Now, it's easy to claim "out goals are noble and if someone will use our work for unlawful purposes then it's not our problem", but this defense will fly only if statistic will support you. If most users of your project are using it to violate rights of someone else (for example Linux kernel developers) then you'll find yourself in a hot water no matter what you'll say. Napster is prime example - and law only becomes strict over time. ACTA is just the last step on this road - and I doubt it's the final one.
The real irony here lies in the fact that SONY which pushes this expansion in the capitol and SONY which tries to "solve" it using morally-questionable tricks like relicensed toybox are the same entity - yet the logical solution (stop trying to stretch power of copyright any further) is somehow not even considered.
Posted Feb 13, 2012 8:18 UTC (Mon) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]
That's obviously not its goal.
And, even if it were, it still wouldn't be illegal. If you disagree, please state your case law. Napster is only relevant as a trivial example of failing "significant non-infringing" and has nothing to do with software licensing.
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This is exactly what the game console and big media companies are trying to do.
There's a very good reason that the "open source definition" requires that there be no limit on the field of use of software for a license to qualify as open source.
It's sad to see GPL proponents playing into their enemies hands by trying to declare competing software to be illegal.
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That basically describes the BSD family of licenses. It's different than the reciprocity and community building goals of the GPL. For example OpenSSH is used in a number of proprietary systems (such as Cisco IOS) and the BSD TCP/IP stack is used in many places (such as Windows). For large multi-vendor projects reciprocity is very important to encourage sharing otherwise each vendor is unlikely to share and will have their own, incompatible, proprietary fork with a weak central community. Only if you are lucky do those useful proprietary features get rolled into the shared project.
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Cisco outsourced the old linksys Linux stuff to a taiwanese company after the first lawsuit, washed their hands of Linux...
Cisco is a big company and so generalisations like this are unwise. Cisco's next generation switch and router software uses Linux underneath, so Cisco's views on Linux are not as black and white as you portray.
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Yoga + A New Job!
Just came back from my first yoga class and I feel centred but ravenous. It's nice to be able to chill out while also getting a work out. The class was huge and very impersonal but it helped me focus because I was really nervous. I'll definitely be going back.
In other news, I was interviewed for a full time job today and got it! I'll still do my own thing on the side but at least I'll be able to drop any extra jobs and have considerably more money to finally take that holiday! I will be working as a Photo Editor for a photographic agency/library in a very funky warehouse, down the road from where I live. It'll be a good 1/2 hour walk to work everyday and I figure it'll be good for the next year. I am so lucky my freelance work is so flexible and routine is something very welcoming at the moment.
In terms of food, I haven't been able to fast track so I'll have to just stick to my 22 points a day now.
I hope everyone has had a great start to the week! I'll try my best to catch up with everyone in the next day.
16 comments:
- Me said...
Like I said earlier - congrats on the new job. I think that will take some of the financial pressure off you and you will be able to focus on the things which are important for you as a person !
Take care, my friend and be good !
Me - 26/7/05 10:39 pm
- Mello4me said...
Congrats on the new job that is brilliant. How good so close to home thats fantastic.. The yoga sounds nice I would just like to get back into it and I should bit hard with my boy though ... oh but the relaxation!!!
- 26/7/05 11:25 pm
- Cath said...
Good going with the new work - I got my gig too! I start monday.
I'm glad you enjoyed the yoga, I know it can be a very personal release and can get quite intense at times. I hope it works out and becomes 'your thing' (unfortunately, not mine!).
Have a great week.
Cath - 26/7/05 11:45 pm
- Slim Suzy said...
That is fantastic news about your new job!! Congratulations!!!!!!! And you will be able to walk to work - well done.
- 27/7/05 4:51 am
- Kate said...
Congrats on the new job - I know what you mean about routine - sometimes it really can help keep everything else in your life in check. I'm sure you will feel better with less stress. :-)
The half hour walk to work sounds good too! - 27/7/05 7:10 am
- lms said...
Congrat's on the new job!!!
I can manage 18pts a day here and there, but I couldnt do it everyday. You'll do ok going back to 22pts. - 27/7/05 7:50 am
- M said...
Congratulations Mary. Hopefully this can springboard you into loads more freelance stuff along the way. And it is so cool that you can walk there. No need for transport.
I think if you stuck to 22 a day you will be OK in covering off the beginning of the week. The stress you have been under with the job interview et al would have burnt quite a bit of that off.
Yaaa for enjoying yoga. Now you can take pressure off from all angles. I hope you have a lovely lovely day *mwah* - 27/7/05 8:18 am
- A Girl Running said...
oh wow, that is so exciting. Congratulations. I love the sounds of the funky warehouse too....couldn't you just sneak in a few piccies...like that gorgeous PI guy with the food site does on his phone ;)
Glad you liked the yoga....did anyone fart...sorry i had to ask...it's common to fart in yoga you know - as long as it's someone else doing it!?
sorry - I'm a bit crass sometimes
=( - 27/7/05 8:23 am
- Allycat said...
Yay! Congratulations on the job! If i learnt anything from supernanny it is that routine is a good thing!!
I am so tempted to do yoga but pretty much everywhere I ring you need to pay up front for 10 weeks or something - what if i don't like it?? pilates would be awesome too - especially if it made me look like Sarah Jessica Parker!
So well done again Mary!! :-) - 27/7/05 8:51 am
- Leighanne said...
Congratulations on the new job - and walking routine :)
- 27/7/05 9:57 am
- michelle said...
Mary you are such a success. I am sure that the job came from your positive attitude to life. You deserve it. Walking to work as well, what a bonus. Your lif eshould be much better now. Does that mean no more record store? You are an example of everything coming together when a person has the right attitude. Very inspirational. Start planning that holiday.
- 27/7/05 10:10 am
- Danatasia said...
Congratulations! That is so cool. And congrats on the loss as well :)
- 27/7/05 10:37 am
- Jodie said...
Congrats on the new job!! Working so close to home would be great for you. Walking to work sounds fantastic.
Mmmmm a Holiday! Only 46 days to go till Brampton!! Not that anyone is counting.
I've never been to a Yoga class. I don't think it's as popular in the West as it is in the city. Maybe when I get a little closer to goal I'll give it a go. They have only just discovered Pilates in the West!! LOL.
Thanks for the comments left on my blog also. It helps so much to see comments like yours in reassuring me of my actions against one horrible person. I alway look forward to your posts and getting your feedback from mine. They are always insightful and motivating. Thanks again and have a great day. XX - 27/7/05 10:49 am
- Sarah said...
Congratulations on the new job!! I would love to get back into yoga, it is definatley very relaxing! Enjoy the rest of your week!
- 27/7/05 3:17 pm
- K said...
Hey Mary - congrats on the new job - that really is fantastic, u must be stoked :)
18pts is hard, u r doing great with 22, so you'll be fine!
You must be getting close to the 20pt mark, very cool :) - 27/7/05 6:53 pm
- Catesa said...
aww congrats on your new job!! and its so close to your home, its perfect for getting a couple extra walks in everyday :)
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