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Wallace Broecker Geochemist, Palisades, New York
How to stop global warming? CO2 "scrubbers," a new book says
- By Kenneth R. Fletcher
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How would we pay for the carbon scrubbers?
Whenever carbon is taken out of the ground in whatever form, some sort of tax would be paid. Ultimately there would be a smooth system. Carbon is taken out, a price is paid and that money goes to companies that are burying it. Of course, the transition from nothing into this huge enterprise is very complicated. An enormous amount of work has to be done.
With all of the greenhouse gases being produced, could capturing and storing really put a dent in climate change?
It would have to. Otherwise why do it? Most of us think that by the year 2070 we need to have a carbon-neutral planet. We can no longer increase the CO2 content of the atmosphere. But poor people on the planet are going to want to have a decent standard of living. To have a decent standard of living requires energy. Just take China. Their energy use is going to go way up. China has coal, so they burn coal. The temptation is going to be to go to a coal economy. Every time we create some CO2 we have to take the equivalent amount out and bury it. To capture and bury all the CO2 we're going to be producing is something like $600 billion a year for the world.
Do you think the world is ready for millions of CO2 scrubbers?
No, I don't think so. Not yet. People are really concerned about CO2 that's true. But I don't think most people realize how tough a problem it is and what's really involved. The awareness doesn't extend to the tough decisions that are going to have to be made by the world if we are going to ever rein this thing in.
Are you optimistic?
I'm an optimist, but I wish I was a little bit younger and could see how this thing really plays out over the next 50 or 60 years. It will be the major issue in the world for a long, long time.
As the world seriously warms, the realization that we have to do something is going to become ever more intense. Clearly something is happening.
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Broecker needs to read "Super Fuel - Thorium, the Green Energy Source for the Future" by Richard Martin - if he hasn't done so. We all need to read that book, and start insisting that the Government of the US and all Nations start a LFTR program LFTR (Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors) are the way to quit burning fossil carbon (Coal, oil and Natural Gas) for electric power. LFTR are totally fail safe, cannot explode or melt down. They also can use "Nuclear Waste" as fuel, solving the storage problem.
Posted by James Gerard on July 20,2013 | 04:19 AM
Have you considered calcium carbonate (ie limestone)for storage? Perhaps someone could fiddle with diatoms to get them to make heavier shells. Grow them in ponds with extra carbon dioxide. Eventually the ponds would fill up with pre-limestone.
Posted by kathie biddle on November 27,2009 | 04:49 PM
Isn't there a not very unhealthy chemical substance that can be given into the atmosphere, bind CO2 at it and cause a precipitation of it that can be disposed somehow?
Posted by Henry on July 9,2009 | 01:24 PM
I am an electrical engineering student with an avid interest in pro-environment solutions.It seems to me that the final solution(if one exists)must come from what is naturally available itself.Any and all external solutions will change energy levels in some form and this change will then have to be dealt with like the current CO2 problem...am i wrong?
Posted by Aaron Brito on May 5,2009 | 01:37 AM
I thank the authors for an excellent book about our planet's
climate. Defining and presenting the "Ocean Conveyor" is a
tremendous scientific contribution providing a basic
understanding of how oceans circulate heat.
Regarding our future climate, I suggest that the Arctic
Ocean is our planet's biological thermostat---
in combination with Wallace Broecker's concept of the
"Ocean Conveyor"
Thermodynamically, I suggest that ice---(both Arctic &
Antarctic plus all glaciers) which needs latent heat of fusion to melt--- is our temporary insurance policy that prevents some type of 'tipping point' for our planet's
climate. When that policy runs out ( when the Arctic Ocean
loses all ice---perhaps by 2025) we may be in for the start
of a new ice age as previously hypothesized (Ewing-Donn
theory...circa 1958 @ page 44 of the book).
CO2 scrubbers to capture and reduce CO2 concentrations in
the atmosphere? A possible, but maybe not practical
solution to the problem.
As an engineer, I suggest gradual conversion to more
efficient energy service provision including CO2 isolation
as a nearly pure byproduct. Some of this is described in
my 1996 US Patent 5,537,823.
This patented heat flow process is capable of isolating
CO2 at the point of origin as a byproduct of combustion.
Technologically, why not try stopping the largest CO2 discharges to the atmosphere at their point of origin.
Respectfully posted April 18, 2009
Richard H. Vogel
Posted by Richard H. Vogel on April 18,2009 | 12:19 PM
Hi I'm very interested in the cause of reducing global warming. Whether or not it is right we at least have to try. I'm trying to build a device for home use by everyone using technology similar to the carbon scrubbing trees. I'm still researching the plastic that is used to absorb the co2 form the air. I've got some basic facts, like the plastic/resin holds the co2 in the form of sodium bicarbonate in the plastic/resin. Does anyone know what the plastic is, it's chemical make up or basically what it is called any help would be much appreciated I want to try and make it on my own, but I have no Idea what is is. Only that its been used in water purifiers or softeners for several years.
Posted by dcab on December 14,2008 | 06:28 PM
Dear Mr. Broecker, I love this article!!! I you could send me everything you have on carbon scrubbers it would help me with my First Lego League project a lot!!!!thanks sincerely Hannah Graham
Posted by ann on November 20,2008 | 04:26 PM
Thinking about this idea I thought about a step further, for example, how to turn that carbon dioxide in something stable and firm like sooth or graphite, which are forms of carbon and release oxygen as bi-product.
Posted by Dusan Miric on October 11,2008 | 04:56 PM
I have seen a documentary on Frozen CO2 Rockets being dropped/"shot" into the deep ocean where they will stay frozen under the deep pressure,hopefully. My question to Mr Broecker and other scientists working on this type of project ia a simple one, but there may not now be a simple answer. Once you have the CO2 sequestered, why not break it down into simple carbon and O2. We sure could use the O2 in the atmosphere and the carbon can be used industrially, or at least it would not be harmful. Let someone come up with an economical way to do this and there would be an overall benefit immediately, and no diaposal problems. After all, you could even sell/give the pure carbon to one of the companies that makes diamonds. Just think -- diamonds out of pollution!
Posted by Lyle Morrow on October 10,2008 | 10:55 PM
I am impressed with the young man's idea about feeding food producing plants with CO2 as a way to extract it from the atmosphere and put it to use instead of hiding it somewhere that might not be able to contain it forever. This young man(Mark Goergiou) an apparently bright indvidual that may someday be a scientist I, for one am pleased to see someone so young interested in saving the planet and feeding the hungry. Kudos to you mark, keep thinking and study hard. I'm sure you will go far
Posted by Frank Sanford on September 26,2008 | 10:16 PM
I have been interested in the rise of Global Warming for A long time(going to college long ago in Environmental Science-although I graduated with a degree in a different field). Any information-or such-in the subject, may be of definite interest; it seems often difficult to obtain specifics, in the area, itself. -Steve
Posted by steve on August 29,2008 | 12:41 PM
hi im mark i am 13 years old. i was just reading this becaus i had an idea of extracting the co2 emmisions from the air and basicly feeding it to a facility that has plants in a secure area were the co2 cannot escape. So becaus the plants need co2 to live why not feed it to them. And it has been scientificly proven that plants will produce twice as much fruit or better yet twice the size of the fruit. Wich in the end will hit two birds with one stone. thus trying to end world hunger at the same time. hope you like my idea. yours sincerly mark goergiou.
Posted by mark goergiou on August 21,2008 | 09:31 AM
I find it hard to believe that a car produces 1.4 tons of CO2 per mile as suggested by Ken Meshke. Maybe I'm wrong but that doesn't seem to make any sense to me. Where does it all come from?
Posted by tom on August 17,2008 | 07:10 PM
The best sink for carbon would be Diamonds, about 2 cubic kilometers per year, either one big gem, or a pile of diamond beach sand. In hot weather the diamond beach would be hot on your soles (diamond is an excellent conductor). And about the energy source to make the diamonds? Just use the same (unspecified) energy source that Broecker would use.
Posted by g bruno on July 15,2008 | 07:00 PM
What nonsense! An over-technical solution if I ever heard of one. georgeof420 was right -- trees do this much better than any machine. Yes, left on their own they will eventually return the Co2 to the atmosphere -- but not if we carbonize them! Better yet, carbonize friable biological materials like leaves, and add that to soil to make it hold nutrients better, reduce run-off of fertilizers, retain moisture, make nutrients available for plants increasing crop yields (which also holds more Co2, at least temporarily). It's called BIOCHAR folks, and instead of being expensive it saves money, instead of being technological it can be grass-roots, instead of being forced on communities it will be enthusiastically adopted if the benefits (not even including the resultant carbon sequestration we are talking about) are made known. Of course you can take biomass gasses to produce fuel, in which case it does become technological -- but not dauntingly so. Alternatively those gasses can be used to make the carbonization more efficient, with nothing more than a barrel and some tubing. Biochar is the only carbon-negative process that can also be profitable, ensuring its widespread adoption. All that is needed is education.
Posted by A J Morris on July 11,2008 | 01:58 AM
CO2 Scrubbers? Just buy some Al Gore Carbon Offsets like he does for his footprint. The Sun spot activity is entering a less active period, which will cool everything off on several planets, including Earth, for those interested in true climate change science.
Posted by Slade Shannon on June 29,2008 | 02:13 PM
I am a chemist, like professor Broecker in late 70's. As many of the responders above I'm skeptical about the human activity being a primary influence on climate. If it is, however, the exponential increase in population is beyond control. None the less, limiting carbon dioxide emissions is a good idea from the viewpoint of conservation of resources. Storage of massive amounts of carbon dioxide under ground deserves some careful consideration in the light of the disasters at Lakes Monoun and Nyos in Cameroon when in 1984 and 1986 thousands of people and livestock were suffocated overnight by release of carbon dioxide accumulated at depth from volcanic seepage. The high compressability of carbon dioxide and the impressive solvent properties of supercritical carbon dioxide suggest that it forms polymers in compressed form. Should someone discover how to cap these polymers, they could be stored in tanks at atmospheric pressure. Perhaps for some useful purpose in the future such as slowing the advance of glaciers.
Posted by Barton Milligan on June 28,2008 | 08:10 PM
I feel that this is , and I mean no offense by this, but an almost outlandish idea - giant towers that extract CO2 from the air, liquefy it so that we may bury it into the depths of Iceland and the Baltic region. I feel as though it's just another form of trying to hide our problems, with the side benefit of potentially buying us - humans - some time. not to mention the fact that it is riddled with problems: the pollution caused but the constructions of millions of towers, the entropy issue (Dave Leet), the political attachments as to where these towers are built and where the carbon is put, the cost of repair, the danger of having so much CO2 under our feet, and so much more that; it seems more as if we are children sweeping the dirt under the rug, instead of really cleaning our room.(the plastic sheets don't seem like a bad idea. Are the recyclable???) I agree with georgeof420 that trees are all the towers we need. If maybe we could stop - realistically trim - the deforestation of the Earth... and get more people to plant trees. Maybe that would be a step in the right direction. Gardening has always been a very calming activity for me... I am quiet adamant in the belief that though the scientific leaps (maybe steps)we are taking are impotent and necessary our attitude toward our behavior is also a key roll in the future of Earth. That the "little things," like car pooling and planting some trees, are rudimentary changes that must take place before we can say "we have made progress." I hope one day people will not need incentive to do good unto the world. I hope one day we will be willing to take financial loss for the same of betterment. I Hope.
Posted by Taha Saeed on June 28,2008 | 07:20 AM
My concern is about energy security and global warming. we have oil that can last up to 50 years. We have coal that last up to 100 years. but the problem with coal and oil is global warming. Solar and wind has also some limitations.So what is the solution? because we dont have much time. Global warming will create huge problem. I think engineering is the only solution of this problem. We need something that works like I.C Engine or steam engine without pollution. that we can use in our cars and also generate electricity with it in power station. So I used my 2 nd semester engineering knowledge (Strength of material and applied mechanics). We can utilize stationary force to do work. I know you are laughing because I am telling you something that is against the law of conversion of energy. Well I am not asking for fund. I will try my best to help you if you need any technical help. visit http://www.energyefficientmechanism.blogspot.com/
Posted by Jigar Y. Patel on June 24,2008 | 11:49 PM
Wow man.... I totally think the governments should just give tax breaks and credits to individuals and companies that plant more trees! Nature is Queen dudes...
Posted by The Dude on June 24,2008 | 03:39 PM
Actually, trees become net emitters of CO2 toward the end of their lives, and eventually release all their C02 through decay or forest fires. Better management of non-tropical forests and harvesting programs may help sequester carbon to some degree, but is there enough arable or vacant land to plant the 'critical mass' of poplars and other fast-growing trees that would offset anthropogenic CO2 emissions? As for tropical rainforests, the mineral-pool soil is apparently so trashed after clearcutting and a few years of tilling that replanting the original species would be unfeasible. The question regarding power sources for scrubbers seems to have an obvious answer, given that Broecker himself suggested that deserts present us with the optimal climate for deployment. You can read about how Global Research Technologies actually plans to sequester C02 at their website. I would encourage everyone to suppress their apathy, read in depth about the topic, and think seriously about ways of applying themselves to implementing these solutions.
Posted by AD on June 24,2008 | 11:12 AM
Deforestation emits more CO2 into the atmosphere than all the cars & trucks & SUVs combined. Save the rain forest. Plant more trees.
Posted by martha harvey on June 23,2008 | 08:54 PM
So how do we power these scrubbers?
Posted by Hans Gao on June 23,2008 | 08:10 PM
Allan, Too bad your career as a research engineer and recognition fo the difficulty of climate modeling hasn't taught you not to generalize about massively complex systems based on isolated anecdotal evidence. Who cares about your father's lake? Of course there's local variation, it's called "weather". We're talking about the planet, here. The whole thing. Not just part. Forget about warming. You tell me under what circumstances the highest CO2 levels in over 400K years (and all the main change happening since the industrial revolution) is a good thing, and then we can decide if we need to ignore CO2 emissions.
Posted by Jonathan H. on June 23,2008 | 07:39 PM
How much CO2 (or other greenhouse gasses and/or pollution) will be generated by the energy source that fuels the "scrubbers?"
Posted by kt on June 23,2008 | 07:06 PM
I am concerned calculation of number of devices needed. An average (17 mpg) American car that is run for 100,000 miles produces about 140,000 tons of CO2 (assuming pure octane whose density is 0.0702 g/ml). At 20 tons of CO2 per year, each person would be responsible for driving a whopping 14.4 miles per year. While I realize that not everyone drives, I think there's an "orders of magnitude" scale flaw in the calculation.
Posted by Ken Meshke on June 21,2008 | 08:36 PM
Posted by richard on June 21,2008 | 05:34 PM
I'm a research engineer with 80 patents. The same "scientists" who gave us the Butterfly Effect to describe chaos in unstable differential equation models that can't predict weather, who can't describe the sun's internal mechanisms causing sunspots and solar activity that really control weather, with global weather models having 100 meter uniform ocean depths, have total confidence in predicting earth's surface temperature 150 years from now. My father has owned a 1/4 section and lake in northern Michigan for 57 years and the lake level has finally reached what it was 35 years ago in spite of "drought" and "increased temperature" from global "warming". To understand the battle between environmental extremists and utilitarians please read about the eventual disagreement between John Muir (conditioned by Civil War bloodshed to think fewer humans were better) and Gifford Pinchot (trained in Europe as a fortester) at http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1991/1/1991_1_86.shtml. Politics and science shouldn't be mixed.
Posted by Allan Kotwicki on June 21,2008 | 12:00 PM
I very much appreciated Smithsonian interview with Dr. Broecker and highlighting his approach for taking out CO2 from atmosphere and avert adverse consequences of global warming he warned almost 40 years ago. Most of the experts now support this need but concern with the economic downturn related with such massive effort. I decided to write this comment to bring to your attention our coal biotechnology products already in commercial use for not only reducing the CO2 emissions by 50% per unit of energy but also taking out CO2 from the atmosphering and creating a negative carbon foot print,This approach offers a massive opportunity to expand economies while meeting the need for incresing safer foods, water and recycling wastes including even most lethal military munitions in to fertilizer. Please note www.arctech.com and www.ihccs.org for this remarkable technology. Dr. Ray Orbach of US DOE had highligted this technology approach as the transformational technology. For more info contact me at :firstname.lastname@example.com
Posted by Daman S. Walia on June 20,2008 | 02:48 PM
I fully agree that we are faced with the climate of VENUS unless we find a better balance between burning carbon and letting trees, grass and flowers sequester CO2. Those lakes of methane in the tundra,if released will start heating that we cannot manage. We have ONE, ONE way to siginficantly reduce burning carbon. What we get, all we want, from oil, gas & coal is heat. Just a few thousand feet under every place on EARTH is all the heat we need to produce abundant clean cheap gigawatts. With enough electric energy we can reduce burning carbon enough to let the trees reduce CO2. A village in Italy has shown us the way - using GEO heat to generate megawatts, GEO pays the village taxes, greenhouses offer work & fresh organic produce in walking distance. Prosperity for all!! Reason for that prosperity? EARTH'S gift of free energy! Village has enjoyed GEO since 1907!!! A GEOTHERMAL megawatt plant is planned in Utah: Cost $32M,time to on line,12to18 mo, ROI 1600%, $0.04/kwh. GEO is the only near infinite source of cheap clean energy. World wide we don't need to fight a war to get our share. Any political aspirant with the guts & brains to offer this to our world would be elected. Smithsonian could be the hero that makes GEO happen. PLEASE DO IT. firstname.lastname@example.com
Posted by Robert Norsen on June 20,2008 | 02:10 PM
I am an Electrical Engineer among other things and I truly believe there will be valid solutions in the future to "fix" the enviorment if we as a global community are willing to commit the resources. What we can do short term to slow down the damage being down now is a sane and sensible way to start. We all know, or should know, the way to start is by using oil right now in the most efficient way possible. If we could increase the efficiency of our cars that would be a great start and that's easy. American workers rely on the auto for transportation to and from work for the most and most cars are built to carry 4 or 5 passengers, yet 90% of them only carry one, dispite the fact there is another person or persons within a few blocks going the same way at the sme time every day.We could double the effeciency of the average American worker's car by simply having each commuter carry one passenger. This would not only double the efficiency of the car, but reduce the traffic and all cars would get better mileage. Some might carry two or three passengers and increase the effeciency that much more and reduce the crowding of the highways even more. A worker sharing his car with just one would cut his gas expenses in half and those carrying 3 would be paying 1/4 or about $1.00/gal for gas. This would also take the stress off of the refineries, lower oil consumption in this country by 4 million barrels a day, stop the tumble of the dollar etc. We don't have to wait for scientific break throughs or spend billions of dollars to start this tomorrow. Why aren't the pundits pushing something this simple to start with, along with looking to some future technologies as well. I'm already doing this and saving bucks every week. One more reason thanjust good sense; It's patriotic too. Jim Miller
Posted by James on June 19,2008 | 04:19 PM
Wallace Broecker recognizes that we should reduce emissions of CO2 where technically and economically feasible, but control of global warming due to CO2 level in the atmosphere requires removal of the gas and segregation to prevent reentry. His idea of removal involves a mechanical device 6 - 10 feet in diameter and about 50 feet high. May I tell you about a scheme that has been in development for the last 20 years or so, that removes and segregates CO2, makes lots of cheap methane as a by-product and hence is profitable rather than costly? The process is called AP for Anthropogenic Peat; it removes CO2 by growing biomass (sugarcane is most efficient at this time) and converts the whole cane (no field burning) by anaerobic digestion to pure CO2 (27.3%C), stable organic residue (45%C) and pure CH4 (break-even cost about $.50/million Btu without segregation costs). See our website at "http://ap.py.com/" for more, ask me for still more.
Posted by H. A. (Hal) Hartung on June 9,2008 | 09:42 PM
A compelling argument can be made that the weight of observable scientific evidence continues to challenge the efficacy of anthropogenic CO2 as the dominant mechanism of global surface warming. GCM predictions of enhanced tropospheric warming rates relative to those at the surface (the sine qua non of GHG theory) are not consistent with measured historical data. And in any case, the codes cannot treat directly the atomic mechanisms of phase transformations in liquid:gas and liquid:solid systems that ultimately control cloud formation and evolution. These and other shortcomings seriously limit the utility of both the computational methodologies upon which CO2 based warming explanations rely and also most of the arguments or predictions that flow from them. It is becoming increasingly likely that Richard Lindzen, Fred Singer and the late Frederick Seitz and their colleagues are correct to suggest that nature, not human beings and not incompletely defined and specified computational simulations, governs planetary climate behavior.
Posted by climate optimist on June 5,2008 | 05:12 PM
It would seem a desirable thing to do, but always with these sorts of interviews lingers the sense, usually emphasized by the journalist writing the story, that there is some political or economic obstruction to doing what is obviously the right thing to do (in this case, don't keep increasing the concentration of atmospheric CO2). If either the person interviewed, or interested parties like Mr Chaffin above, could describe what the energy and entropy properties are of the reactants and the products, that might help understand this problem more exactly. The interview briefly alluded to "finding a clever way to do this without using a lot of energy," but to take any of this seriously, one needs to be convinced that the First and Second Law of Thermodynamics isn't violated, else this just becomes another perpetual motion scheme, only disguised a bit. One wonders if rich industrialists and investors are being taken advantage of, via their guilt and scientific ignorance, when these ideas are presented (similar to the big ethanol scam that the US Congress has just underwritten). Or maybe I just haven't seen a viable description of how this would work, but it exists somewhere, in spite of that. Excuses that detail to that level is part of a patentable idea and therefore cannot be shared are not acceptable, since this is just part of a feasibility explanation, not a detailed process / equipment design for actually doing the CO2 capture.Any guidance in that direction would be much appreciated.
Posted by Dave Leet on June 3,2008 | 12:42 AM
The one who warned about warming in the 1970's when I first heard about it agrees with me that there's no easy way to stop global warming because people will continue to want fossil energy. His idea that we need tens of millions of scrubbers and to then sequester the CO2 shows the real extent that we must go to in order to halt global warming. Everything I've read about sequestration underground has indicated just how costly and risky it is. You have to compress CO2 to 1500 psi or more to force it into the ground, then you have to hope it stays there. The whole process of removing CO2 from the air, compressing it and forcing through solid rock to its final destination uses a tremendous amount of energy. Oddly enough, Broecker would have to assume that this energy would come from coal - the primary culprit, or it would have to come from renewable energy that would have otherwise been able to replace electricity from coal. Even a 100% efficient scrubber added to rest of these processes would likely produce more CO2 than would be sequestered. I am convinced that solid breakthroughs in solar, wind and a few other renewable technologies are quite near, so I'd rather replace fossil energy and promote conservation through more efficient vehicles. The last comment on producing plastic from atmospheric CO2 seems more appropriate and sensible.
Posted by Phil Skergan on June 3,2008 | 02:48 PM
Hmm, tall cylinders, going into and with the wind, reaching into the sky, taking away CO2, and maybe color them green, and brown. OOoo, we can call them TREES, that has a nice ring to it. Genius!!
Posted by georgeof420 on June 2,2008 | 04:50 PM
I am a physicst (old too), and I am also interested in atmospheric scrubbers. My background is in thin films and plasma methods. I have a rough concept for a scrubber using plasma techniques. The primary advantage (if it worked) is that there world be no waste to dispose of. The method separates oxygen from the carbon and replaces it with hydrogen to make a plastic sheet. This idea is a little "out of the box", but if this doesn't deter you, I would be glad to share the it with you. Best wishes, Jack Chaffin
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This could be some good stuff.A crate 308 and some cars.
Go to www.hinsonauctions.com click on Apr.26th.date
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that lis not the type of crate that HUDSON used, looks like it was made much later BILL ALBRIGHT
Auction flyer gives a serial no. on the motor, and it has the head on it. Don't believe thay shipped them that way, did they? Walt-LA
The auction says the serial number on engine is 5325118. Let's go shopping!
That engine in the "crate" looks to me like it was taken out of a car - look at the crud on the manafolds and the side of the engine.
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A 55-56 motor. Notice that it has the generator and all acc. on it. Doubt that it came from Hudson that way. Any chance it might be one of the motors that J C Whitney was selling. I remember them as being 56 motors.
It looks like a pro crate job. It might be a JCW special or it's still in the crate from the engine rebuild shop. The right side of the block is suspiciously oily.
My 52 Hornet has a 55 engine with SN 5320963. The listed engine must be 55-56 with 1/2 inch headbolts etc. Brent
That looks like a shipping label on the top of the crate. Sure would like to be able to read it!
It may be in a pretty crate, but I just see a used engine with a most of a Twin-H.
OK, so someone shipped a used engine.
James P. wrote:It may be in a pretty crate, but I just see a used engine with a most of a Twin-H.
I see a "new" engine in a crate.If you look,there is oil all over it,the manifolds,incl.the exhaust.The carb.heat tubes are still new,the bracket for the rear air cleaner doesn't look like it has ever had a air cleaner on it.I am trying to remember what WTN had an article in it,written by Charlie Nau,and it had Hudson engines,complete with generator,starter,distributor,wires,coil,water pump,fuel pump all accesories-etc.. ready to go for $180. from about 1956-57.I have a friend in the club that has one of these and his is NEW or NOS,and looks just about like this,including the caps on both carbs.,with an aluminum head.Look at the plug wires,look at the exh.manifold,no deterioration on it,the 2 front studs still have the pal nuts on the manifold. my friends engine looks like it had cosmoline or equivelent poured on it,about like this does. -
For those who have never seen a Hudson Crate engine prior to the original posting, see the following pictures of another Crate engine that was unearthed... note the same characteristics that Doc Doug pointed out. The engine in the auction is a Hudson replacement engine... without checking this is more likely a 56 vintage replacement as most of the 55 engines I have seen are painted Blue... purely a guess based on historic experiences.55HUDSON CRATE RELACEMENT ENGINE_120781017646654.jpg400 x 300 - 12K55HUDSON CRATE RELACEMENT ENGINE2_120781043146654.jpg400 x 300 - 12K55HUDSON CRATE RELACEMENT ENGINE3_120780818446654.jpg400 x 300 - 10KCrate engine 5_120780795046654.JPG400 x 300 - 9K
Replacement engines did NOT have serial/motors stamped on them, they were left blank.
For those who read the auction flyer and assumed that the serial number for this engine is actually listed... this is an error. The numbers being quoted are actually found on the engine and are the casting numbers for a hi compression Hudson aluminum head and the intake manifold... search the site pictures and you will find pictures that show where the auction found the numbers.
forget the engine I want that '54 coupe haha...unless it needs an engine.
I'm not familiar with non stepdown sixes, but the fuel line setup on that twin H is not standard step down. Looks like a Hash intake as well. Could very well be one of those JC Whitney crate motors. They were selling both 308's and 262's as I recall.
Anyone in the Dogwood Chapter area planning on going to the auction? Looks like it's near Charlotte on the way to Ashboro. -
OK, I have my $229 in my hand right now. Where do I go to pick up that engine?
First, you need to invent a time machine...darn.
I am trying to figure out how many cars are really here,3 or 4 ?.Look at the front corner of the faded red car and it has lights for a 52-3 ?,or are my eyes decieving me?. My eyes are failing me-Now that I'm 50!!!
I am planning to be at the auction as I live 10 miles from the sale site. The cars were there for years and years, but were few people got to see them. I have heard about them but never was able to talk to anyone that got to see them.
I will try to get in before the sale and get more info.
The 308 would look nice in my pick-up! -
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bmcgill wrote:Are you who I think you might be from Indiana?
"you" meaning . . . who, exactly? -
Dave53-7C wrote:First, you need to invent a time machine...darn.
I've got one. It's broke though, only goes forward at normal speed. Unless you run it on large amounts of alcohol, but even then you can only skip forward to the next morning.1953 Hornet sedan Twin-H
Custom front springs, drop-blocks out back, Clifford 6-2 headers exiting out back shotgun style, Pertronix, and Flames!
1964 Chevy C-10 Longbed, 396/TH400 lowered just enough and \"easy to touch up\" Black paint.
2003 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor
Caved in quarter and fender. Bad paint. Non-True-Trac heap. But it's paid for. -
hornet53 wrote:I've got one. It's broke though, only goes forward at normal speed. Unless you run it on large amounts of alcohol, but even then you can only skip forward to the next morning.
Better try boosting the octane rating of that alcohol. -
Anyone else see the red car is not a '51?? If you go to their website,you can look at the left lower grille molding and it is '52-53?.The green Hornet is a sd.and looks to be a '51,then the '54 cpe.,a 51'next to the red car.The green '51 is in a different location. I think they say there is only 3 cars?:confused:
How many Hudnuts are going to attend this auction?
Went today and looked over the treasures. 3 complete Hudsons and the engine.02-10-08 058_120924648146866.jpg640 x 480 - 67K02-10-08 062_120924408546866.jpg640 x 480 - 65K02-10-08 059_120924510046866.jpg640 x 480 - 66K
And? Did you buy anything? Don't keep us hanging, tell us more. The cars look pretty solid.
Also more photos of the crate engine. Not greasy but paint under the dust.02-10-08 065_120924554446866.jpg640 x 480 - 66K02-10-08 068_120924262746866.jpg640 x 480 - 63K02-10-08 069_120925450146866.jpg640 x 480 - 75K02-10-08 071_120925323346866.jpg640 x 480 - 73K
It looks like those who thought it was a JCW replacement engine where correct. Do the guys here know their stuff or what?
Auction not till tomorrow at 9 am.I Plan on being there early. There are lots of model t fords and 2 studebakers, a 24 and a 21?, 3, a models, and a mid 50's Packard.
Thank you Junkhound... the Whitney engine is a super item... do you have other pictures to share? Thanks
Here are a few more of the engine.02-10-08 067_120924450446866.jpg640 x 480 - 64K02-10-08 073_120925378946866.jpg640 x 480 - 73K02-10-08 074_120924903946866.jpg640 x 480 - 69K02-10-08 076_120924697546866.jpg640 x 480 - 67K
A few more of the cars02-10-08 064_120924779646866.jpg640 x 480 - 67K02-10-08 060_120924675646866.jpg640 x 480 - 66K02-10-08 063_120924561246866.jpg640 x 480 - 65K02-10-08 061_120924615446866.jpg640 x 480 - 66K
what happened with the pink one that was between the 54 coupe and the 51 Hornet in the garage photo?
It seems just like yesterday when JC Whitney had Hornet Motors in their Catalogs....I never realized how complete they were unlike todays crate motors ...The Owner must have intended to replace one of the Hudson motors.......Timeless....
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All 3 cars seem to have good potential. I really hope they and the engine go to a good home.
The pictures of the crate engine I posted must be of a JC Whitney engine also... look carefully at the picture in upper right side of my post and you will see the same label placement as on the engine crate just posted by junkyard. Another interesting thing is the engine in NC was shipped from JCW to the person whose estate is being auctioned! What a find! That engine went from Hudson salvage to JCW to place it is being auctioned... nice to know the history of a NEW Hudson Hornet engine.
Maybe I am getting cheap , but nothing followed me home!
The crate engine went for $1700,
The black/white 51 went for $6000
The dark green 54 4dr went for $ 1300
The lt/green 54 2dr went for $ 3000 -
One thing I did notice on the crate engine. The oil filter canister had a decal
from American Motors Corp. It must have been sold as surplus after the buyout.
Sorry I did not get a photo. -
Well, $1,700.00 for a new Hudson engine seems fair. I wonder if the buyer is going to try and use it or keep it as a display. Does anyone think it would have sold for more if it were pre AMC.?
The black/white 4dr seemed really staight. But isn't $6,000.00 a tad pricey? What did the other green 4 dr sell for? -
How much did the Studebakers sell for?
6K for the 51 ya got to be kidding me.....www.hudsonmotorcar.org
The 24{?} Studebaker went for $1000. One 31 model A tudor went for $2800 and the other carcass went for $about $1500. The "crate" motor turned out to a motor in a crate. It was a 55 AMC 308 from J.C. Whitney as had been reported but it was not new. It appeared to have slight wear but not terribly much. Oil was on the manifold and rear valve cover. Paint had peeled off the head. It looked decent but somebody got way too happy with giving their money away IMO. The only car with a title was the $1700 Hornet. The bidding that went on for the $6000 Hornet was a mind blower. Waaaaay too much money for a car that had no title, didn't run, missing a few parts ,needed rechroming etc,etc, but thats what the man thought it was worth so ..... away goes a happy bidder. Best deal was the 54 Hornet coupe. All three cars had solid frames and had been in either a barn or shed since likely the early sixties. The man who owned them was a pack rat. It started at 9:00 AM and by the time they got around to the cars it was 1:30. The other junk that he had took up an incredible amount of time to sell. There was some automotive stuff for sale but after waiting all day it was getting both hot and late, I left after the Hudsons were sold.
The 24 Studebaker in the field with the hudsons went for $4000. The one at the hotdog stand ,the 21? model touring car went for the $1000. Another spare body for the older one went for $2500.
I left around 4:00 and there was still lots of parts left. They started 2 auctions about 3:00 -
Thanks for the info on the prices. I left after they sold the first Fords. That auctioneer was so fulla bull and so slow it was irritating. I took a bunch of photos and will post a link to them tomorrow after I get them to my web page.
Here is a link to the rest of the photos I took yesterday.
http://public.fotki.com/buzsmc/auction-photos/ -
Buz. Thanks for posting the photos. I love a good auction with stuff that has been horded away for decades that someone was going to restore someday. Who said collecting is a disease?


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"The agency's lack of independent assessment limits its capacity to ensure that the costs associated with senior professional compensation are warranted," the OIG report stated, Bloomberg reported.
Fannie and Freddie paid 90 executives $92 million in 2011, while paying 2,000 senior professionals a total of $455 million. The auditor's report indicated median compensation to vice presidents was $388,000, and median salaries for directors was $205,300.
This is not the first time executive compensation at the government-sponsored enterprises has been criticized, and much of the concern has focused on the nearly $190 billion in taxpayer aid paid to the GSEs since 2008. The GSEs have paid back $50 billion in dividends to the U.S. Department of the Treasury.
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The MAROON Vol. 64, No. 5 Loyola University, New Orleans, Louisiana 70118 September 20, 1985 Parking garage fate up to students By Judi Hymel News Editor Students now control the fate of a combination parking garage/recreation center on campus, the Student Government Association announced Tuesday. The SGA voted unanimously to conduct a student referendum Oct. 14 and 15. The referendum will ask students to commit to a $200 tuition increase, beginning in Fall 1987, for the next 25 years. Construction of the building is expect to cost between $10 and $13 million. Today, the Board of Trustees will vote to either support or reject the university's plans for the building, Vincent P. Knipfing, vice president for Student Affairs, said. The Board will also be asked to give the administration authority to allow the architects to begin drawings for the building, but only if the student referendum passes, Knipfing said. "If everything goes right, the drawings should take about three to four months and we'd hope to begin construction early next summer," K nip ting said. Byron Arthur, SGA president, said he was pleased with the SGA's vote in favor of conducting a student referendum. "This is the first time I've seen the SGA really behind an issue," he said. The proposal was discussed and voted on in 10 minutes. Arthur would not speculate on the outcome of the referendum. But, he said, "Students must realize: 'What do we do if we don't have this building?' The Residential Parking Permit Program isn't going to leave. The question ends up 'Where do we park?' " The parking garage, which would be constructed on the site of the present Rec Center, would hold 748 cars, increasing on-campus parking space by 135 percent. The recreation center would include six multi-purpose courts for basketball, volleyball and tennis, a six-lane swimming pool, five handball and racquetball courts and a weight training and exercise area. At the Fall Convocation in August, the Rev. James C. Carter, S.J., university president, said that the garage is essential because of the implementation of the Residential Parking Permit Program. The $200 tuition increase will be used to finance the parking garage portion of the building, Arthur said. The university is seeking donors to finance the recreation center portion of the building, Carter said. Loyola purchased a $50 million bond in July. Some of the revenues from that bond may fund the project, John L. Eckholdt, vice president for Business and Finance, has said. Relaxed reader Bill Robertson, communications junior, puts his back into his reading on a bench next to Bobet Hall. —Photo by John McCusker Edwards case: ethics versus legality By Becky Westerlund Assistant News Editor Unclear legal and ethical distinctions may hamper the jury's ability to reach a just verdict in the trial of Gov. Edwin W. Edwards and his associates which began this week, Gerard A. Rault Jr., professor of law, said. "My, point has never been that Edwards has done nothing wrong," Rault, a specialist in criminal law and criminal procedure and evidence, said. "As a lawyer I distinguish doing something wrong from doing something criminal." After hearing the evidence, Rault said he believes the jury will be convinced Edwards and his associates did something dishonest or sneaky. But doing something dishonest is hot necessarily a crime, he added. The jury will necessarily be making a value judgment, Rault said. Although the judge will instruct the jury about the case's legal points, it will be impossible for them to gain a clear perception of what the statutes consider illegal since many scholars and lawyers are uncertain, he said. "I think what they're going to do is send that jury out to deliberate, in effect, whether they think in their hearts what Edwards did was dishonest enough to be a criminal violation," he said. "And if they are convinced that it is, I think they're going to pick and choose from the indictment as they would from a Chinese menu." U.S. Attorney John Volz has said that the Edwards trial is a simple case which he must present as such. But not in Rault's mind. He referred specifically to the complexity of the federal Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization Act used by prosecutors in the case. RICO is a racketeering law, the violation of which is punishable with 20 years imprisonment and forfeiture of any money gained through the racketeering activity. Edwards and his co-defendants are charged with a RICO violation. The indictment alleges that they agreed or conspired to violate the provisions of RICO. These provisions involve engaging in an enterprise defined in the law to include any group of people or an individual. Members of the enterprise would have to break at least two laws from a list of federal and state crimes within a 10-year period. These are called predicate acts and establish a pattern of crime necessary for a racketeering conviction. Rault said a problem with the RICO law is that it uses terms previously unknown to criminal specialists. "One of the bottom lines of RICO is to vastly expand the federal jurisdiction," Rault said. "By calling them predicate offenses, they are in effect, proscecuting for state offenses."The predicate acts in this case, according to the 52-page indictment, include public bribery, mail and wire fraud and obstruction of justice. The mail and wire fraud and obstruction of justice charges are also included as independent charges in the indictment. Edwards and his co-defendants — Ronald Falgout, James J. Wyllie Jr., Marion D. Edwards, Philip S. Brooks, Charles David Isbell, Perry J. Segura and Gus S. Mijalis — are all charged with one count of racketeering. In addition, Mijalis is charged with three See SG A/page 7 See Trial/page 7
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DEAR ABBY: I am the single dad of two teenage boys (17 and 18) who are both in high school. I am wondering about something they do with their friends. The boys take showers in large groups. When they come in from running or sports, or if a group is spending the night, they shower in groups of two, three or four. It's not like we have a huge shower — it's normal size.
I know there's nothing sexual going on because I can hear them talking and joking around. When I asked the boys about this, they looked at me like I had two heads. They said it was just a social thing and the same as showering together after football in the school gym.
They also "air dry" after showers by walking around in towels, sometimes watching TV or goofing off for hours while in their towels. When going out, they get naked in the bathroom, fixing their hair, shaving, brushing their teeth, etc. It's like a big "nude fest" with them and their friends.
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"The Syrian regime bears full responsibility for the use of chemical weapons (in) this heinous crime," foreign ministers from the regional organization said in a statement, according to the state-run Saudi Press Agency.
"The council also called for providing the required forms of support for the Syrian people to defend themselves and the need for concerted Arab and international efforts to help them," the statement said.
Arab League Secretary General Nabil el-Araby said in a Twitter post that the league was calling for the United Nations Security Council to "assume its responsibility and take all the deterrent and needed measures against this crime and all crimes of genocide" in Syria.
But the statements Sunday did not directly refer to the United States, and it's unclear how much international support the U.S. government would have if it chooses to strike Syria.
At the Arab League meeting, Saudi Arabia called for international action, but Egypt said it was opposed to foreign intervention in the Syrian crisis.
Britain has voted against taking any military action in Syria, and France said it won't act without the United States as a partner.
German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle tweeted Sunday that the time gained waiting for U.S. congressional approval "must be used to reach a common position of the international community within the U.N. Security Council."
Amid the debate over whether to strike Syria, U.S. authorities are tightening domestic security measures. The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are warning of a higher risk of cyberattacks after months of disruptions by hackers known as the Syrian Electronic Army, and authorities say more attacks are likely.
Opposition: Obama gave false hope
The shift to ask for approval from Congress left some analysts scratching their heads.
"The decision-making has been so confused and muddled that it's difficult to put the word 'wise' in front of anything they're doing right now," CNN's Fareed Zakaria said on Sunday. "The administration has hesitated between nonintervention and intervention, and it is caught between those two."
The Obama administration, Zakaria said, "seems to want to have it both ways, but it can't."
Others praised the president for taking a step to get more buy-in at home and abroad.
"Frankly, I think he looks prudent, and I don't doubt his resolve on this," John Negroponte, who served as director of national intelligence for two years under President George W. Bush, told CNN's State of the Union. "I don't think he's looking for an excuse to get out from a box or a situation that he painted himself into."
While some praised the president for giving Congress a chance to weigh in, a key group of Syrian dissidents said it was surprised and concerned by Obama's new approach.
"We can't understand how you can promise to help those who are being slaughtered every day in the hundreds, giving them false hope, then change your mind and say let's wait and see," the Syrian National Coalition said.
Iran, a staunch supporter of the Syrian regime, warned the United States will pay a price if it strikes Syria.
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The Syrian government has denied that it used chemical weapons in the August 21 attack, saying that jihadists fighting with the rebels used them in an effort to turn global sentiments against the regime.
Maria Saadeh, a member of Syria's parliament, told CNN on Sunday that she sees no justification for a U.S. strike on Syria.
"There is no legitimacy to make this attack," she said, accusing rebel groups of using chemical weapons and committing other crimes against humanity.
Syrian state media have been packed with critiques of the U.S. position since Obama's announcement Saturday. An editorial in the state-run Al-Thawra newspaper Sunday said that Obama had declared "the beginning of a historic American retreat."
Meanwhile, the opposition Syrian National Coalition issued a statement aimed at U.S. lawmakers.
"The Syrian National Coalition calls on the American congress to carry their historical responsibility towards the Syrian people and take the right decision to support the American government approach to stop the killing machine of the Syrian criminal regime," the statement said.
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Spring of 2042, Elysium City, Capital of Europe
Superpowers encompassing the entirety of The Americas, Europe, Asia, The Caribbeans and finally the Australian Archipelago has sprung up over the last two decades, the new regimes diverse yet grounded in a sole thing: the ever expending technology made by Mankind. Such technology birthed a wondrous method of both learning and entertainment called Artificial Realities, where someone would live in whatever imaginary world or epoch they had both access to as well as wanted to discover and gain various knowledge, skills, and even, in some world, supernatural powers that would follow them through their subsequent artificial lives, the knowledge, skills and attributes gained through each sequences transferring to their organic persona.
Today is the first day where your character will enter such a wondrous and transient world, the city having opened their access to their prized Alternate Haven, the centre of the Artificial Realities as well as an university for the people of Europe as a whole. Since their birth they have lived a tranquil and simple life and their trade prospects are quite dire for now, will that change through hard work and dedication to their new studies and lives? Today is the day your character will enter the world proper and beyond, and will be introduced to the city of Elysium as a Student of Life, as long as they work hard and show promise, they will be given some funds to life in the University District and will have access to an alternate world of their choice and ability a day to do as they wish. The rest is up to them, and you, their Conscience.
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Does anyone have any idea how I can get out of this stupid MMR?
I can juke, do damage, pay attention to the minimap, last hit properly, deny, etc.
I just got out of a perfect match, where me and a PR who was babysitting me completely locked out the enemies in our lane from getting farm while I was pretty much freefarming.
Then guess what happens, both the mid and the solo top lane guy comes out and jumps us, they have nullstone and frostwolf already (Was a CM beause I didn't feel like playing a NM match right then, wanted to test something)
The Flint kills me and I hear "Champion of Newerth" already, and it was my first death.
It doesn't matter how good I or my lane partner do, if the others fail their lane it's GG. Impossible, I didn't even have a runed cleaver or anything at that point.
If you're doing well you go roam or tp to help other lanes. Winning a lane won't win you the game, and if you believe you're better than most people around you should try to mid since the mid hero usually has more control of the game if you get good levels, farm and rune control.
As above said - Go gank other lanes. CM rewards getting kills/pushing down towers a lot better than just free-farming. If your other lanes are feeding and you're still sitting there going for a Runed Axe, you're on the wrong track for CM.
Edit - Browsed through some recent replays of yours, and your play was quite mediocre, not impressive for the 1400-1500 bracket.
Your previous 6 NM MM matches only had two wins, and in one of them, you got carried super hard. :/
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It's casual. You need kills, not farm. Farming does pretty much nothing past the laning phase in casual.
If you haven't left the lane by the time an enemy has an 8 kill streak, you are doing something wrong.
its simple math
if 1 lane wins and 2 lose u r supposed to lose most of the times
(btw i think there is a typo in the title - i dont think ive ever seen someone with 15000 mmr)
So its my first acc raxian.
i learn this from game when u are stuck at 1500 u are just 1500 may be only better 1500
my main acc is now 1810 look this match its my old match from when i was 1630 look not 1500 -1400 1630 bit better then my enemies are also 1630
when u cant do that u are 1500 i win that match 3vs1 nearly feeder disconnected mq just 1.skill cant hit ult whole match
u must learn how to farm how to farm true items etc. i can offer you watch testies stream
also tattyjangles 1400 0.90 player talking too much waste at all posts
^ you don't even know how to play the game lmao. he was forced into a carry role instead of initiating, and his items are perfect for the situation. elder parasite is the #1 luxury item on hammerstorm aside from a daemonic. all you need is some defense (shrunken), then you can be just fine with elder.
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If you can last hit and deny properly youll be instantly 1700.
I took 5 or so months off from HoN last year and became so rusty that I was down in the MMR cellar by June of last year. Using the old MMR system, there was a point that I was in the 990's-1000s range, it was that bad. The problem is when you get that low, it doesn't matter how much you improve, you can't compensate for 4 other idiots on your team. (Ex a Pestilence with TWO pks)
What I did was find a noobstomping hero that I felt comfortable with and played with that hero as much as I could. Unfortunately in the low MMR's you have to be selfish. You cannot trust your teammates to ward, call mias or make generally competent decisions. Watch your own back, gank and farm for YOU as much as you can and try to ignore the Swiftblade on your team who is running around with Spellshards. Some of you may criticize me saying this, but then again most of you have never fallen as low as I have.
I picked Amun-Ra and began a slow steady climb to where I'm currently at 1320, which is still far FAR away from where I want to be.
Luckily, I have a few friends in the high 1500s who are strong players and let me play with them in their bracket. Over the past few months I've become a much more solid player and generally do quite well on my own in the low brackets because of playing experience with players over 2000 MMR higher than me.
Recently, an opposing player rated at about 1575 laughed at our team when a 1320 (me) picked a carry and then was surprised when I proceeded to go 17-4 as Draconis.
My other piece of advice: play with irl or ingame friends. Over time, you'll develop a synergy where you can predict each other's movements and help each other. I wouldn't have improved as much without the help of my irl buddies.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
^Theres an awesome point. Be selfish and pick a stomp hero prefer mid cause with solo lane youll have more exp and farm which will give you more impact on the game. I kinda dislike that he said you cant compensate 4 poor player. You for sure can and thats the only way to climb as solo. I recently carried my mate back to 1600s from 1400s and I lost like 2 games, its easy if your better player.
^If you really are better no matter which hero you play
If you know how to deal damage and know how to juke, maybe you should take a look at viable heroes and map presence and key positioning.
I myself aint a great player but after learning how to position myself my Mmr went up by quite a bit, you should deffinitely try to position urself better in teamfights.
I suggest choosing heroes like Aluna and valkyrie and try to stay in the back of the teamfights and deal massive amount of damage.
Also Tatty meant that you have 2 attack modifiers in that game.
Yeah and also, the other team were clearly bads too. Nice frostburn pebbles. They had 0 physical damage so once he got shrunken it was GG. Swap the frostburn for a brutaliser and you would have had a good build.
^Brutalizer the most useless item in the whole game.
I used to be 1500, and then i started watching honcast. The competitive pro games they host are amazing and I learned a lot with breakycpk and others commentating. You should keep up with some of the recent tournaments and style of gameplay. HoN is a progressive game in which play styles vary as you reach higher mmr. Watch some videos and listen carefully and you may learn a lot and reach 1700 like me! Keep a lookout for hero builds (skill and items), hero combinations, and player reaction/decision making. All of these are essential into reaching higher mmr.


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Unlike pipe organs, Bob Campbell is low maintenance.
When he sings in the choir at Christ Episcopal Church, in Bradenton, he stands in the back so no one will notice him. In the summer, when St. Martha's Catholic Church calls him to fix a bent pipe, he makes sure he arrives exactly on time and as early as possible.
"Because," Campbell says, "it would be a shame to air condition a big, old church when no one is inside."
Campbell, 66, has spent more than half his life fixing and tuning Sarasota church organs. He's used to working by himself in holy, silent spaces. He's efficient and sensible, straightforward and polite.
"It's a good occupation," Campbell says of the job. "It's a good feeling to have a problem and to be able to sort it out."
A former Navy man, Campbell learned the trade when he was stationed in Charleston, S.C. He liked to tinker, and he was good at fixing cars, so when a friend asked if he'd be willing to look at an organ in a tiny Lutheran church, he said, "Sure, why not?"
It was an Austin organ, manufactured by one of the oldest-and-largest, pipe-organ companies in the country. Campbell, who took a year-and-a-half of classes at Florida Southern College, in Lakeland, before joining the U.S. Navy, was well versed in electronics and a natural mechanic. He was perfect for the job.
When he got out of the service seven years later, he decided to pursue the career full-time, and when he returned to Bradenton in the 1980s, he was one of the only mechanics in Sarasota who could service the complicated and old-fashioned instruments.
"Tuning 'em is real easy," says Campbell, who can name the make and year of almost every organ in Sarasota and Manatee counties. "If you have average hearing, you can tune an organ."
The majority of his repair work entails replacing old leather parts and repairing pitted magnetic and electrical contacts inside the keyboard. Most of the organs he works on date back farther than 1985 and have mechanical switching.
"If I can convince a church to convert to electrical switching, I will," Campbell says. "It's much more reliable, unless there's lightning. Lightning is a bugaboo for electronics."
He keeps a daily record of every church he visits in his BlackBerry. The database is long and complicated and includes the addresses and contact information for more than 400 churches up and down the state, including First United Methodist Church, on Pineapple Avenue; St. Boniface Church, on Siesta Key; First Presbyterian Church, on Oak Street; First Baptist Church, on Main Street; and Church of the Redeemer, on Palm Avenue.
Up until 10 years ago, Campbell, who grew up on a dairy farm in East Manatee County, was logging 50,000 miles a year servicing churches from Key West to Pensacola, but these days he works less and mainly sticks to local churches. He's got an apprentice now, a firefighter from Clearwater, who he hopes will take over the business in the next few years.
"I no longer go around rustling up the bushes for work," says Campbell, whose favorite organ is in a tiny chapel inside a Naples retirement community.
Ironically, Campbell never learned to play the instrument — not even "Chopsticks."
"These are mechanic's hands," he snickers. "I decided in my life I'm OK with letting other people play."
• Pipe-organ stops control the airflow blowing through the pipes. Pulling out a stop will increase volume, pitch and timbre.
• The expression "pulling out all the stops" stems from the act of pulling out all the stops in a pipe organ.
• Pipe organs used to operate via a system of cumbersome levers running from the keys and pedals up to the pipes. This style of organ has since been revived as a tracker-action-style organ. St. Martha's Catholic Church in downtown Sarasota has one.
• The pipe organ's continuous supply of wind allows it to sustain notes for as long as a key is held, unlike a piano or harpsichord.
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I wanted to use very shallow depth of field to convey nightmare, menace. I see this as the face pressed against the window, trying to get in. I'm not sure if it's worked.
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I like your quote from the 'Dead Parrot Sketch' . The face is well captured but does look more sad than frightening.
Quote: does look more sad than frightening
Quote: to me it looks frightened, if not frightening.
Interesting. I see this as the face pressed against the window, peering in, trying to get in.
Thanks folks,
Well as to your first point I'll let you know tomorrow morning Moira.
Shakespeare had a way with words and you have a way with that camera.
Wonderful shot, great textures and tones, I like this a lot
It works, and it would make a great Halloween image!
Mick, Bill tells me that you are in a sheep-hating mood today. Have I missed something?
Thanks everyone, having a busy day and the internet connection is playing up.
I'm not surprised that someone turned him to stone!
A bit scary this - especially opening on my default setting of View Large! A great shot, Moira, with lots of detail, and yes, it does look like the face is squashed up against a window
My goodness - "dream" or "nightmare" Moira? Excellent work.
apologies for not commenting earlier Moira but I simply ran out of time, club night and I had to dash - out most of today so you can imagine things got pretty desperate - the picture presented today shows good tones and textures and is well sharp. I rather like the treatment you have used and prefer it to some of the other similar shots you have shared.
A very hideous and grotesque close up Moira, at first I thought this was the Big O after one of his sleepless nights!
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Great location, quiet & friendly. Nothing is too much trouble for the owners, and the breakfasts are awesome.
Great location, quiet & friendly. Nothing is too much trouble for the owners, and the breakfasts are awesome.
This restaurant is awesome in quality, quantity, and service!! Doris and Norbert provide a friendly atmosphere and excellent food. This is the best place we have dined at in the Golden area!! Thank you for the experience!!
Oh my god, the food that Doris cooks is so darn good! Absolutely loved every meal she prepared for us!! I always tell my friends and family that they have to go to Glenogle Lodge to try the food!!!
Doris is the best chief in town, her breakfast is so good, that we have put some weight about X mas, we can't stop with eating.....***** Who loves a familiär hotel, witn an exellent service and very friendly people, so you have to stay in this wonderful hotel with a famous fiew of the rockies......
Service was excellent. Meals were excellent. Hosts were very friendly and accommodating. Scenic views. Rooms were very clean.
August 5th 2011 we hosted an appreciation supper for 12 at Glenogle Lodge.. An excellent array of German delites from salad to dessert were served in a semi buffet manner by the owners, Doris and Norbert. Before and after the meal various beverages, as requested by the guests, were served in a casual home atmosphere with the owners sharing in... More
From the moment we arrived Doris wanted to make sure we were well-fed and happy with our meals. She asked us to take a look at the menu and order in advance. At dinner it becomes clear why. Doris runs the kitchen and Norbert mans the bar and serves and since Doris wants everything to come out well, she appreciates... More
Doris' cooking is fantastic! Everything is homemade! Huge servings, and oh so tasty! g A great place to take young teenagers with hearty appetites. We highly recommend this wonderful food experience.
It's a small and very private accomodation. I felt they need to hire staff but they cant afford it. So they look exausted and to be honest, the way they received us was scary. It made me think of the movie the shining, if you ever saw it... Else than that, the backyard is messy, the road is made of... More
We arrived at Glenogle late on a Friday and the owner, Doris, mad us a great home cooked German meal. The food was so good. We were stuffed after dinner but still had dessert and good thing we did because it was delicious. We ate there again the next night because after Doris' food, we knew if we went out,... More
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