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Royal Palm Players will be holding a spectacular production of "California Suite" on Friday and Saturday night at 8 p.m. at the Boca Grande Community Center Auditorium, and on Sunday, Feb. 9 at 2 p.m. We have heard some nights are either sold out or close to it, so don't delay in getting tickets or calling the box office at 964-2670 to find out more. See Mary Anne Cole's review of the play on page 19.
On Saturday, Feb. 9 from 1 to 3 p.m. come to the Crowninshield Community House to meet Lillian Bay Beatty, her dad, Brad and the author of two books about her medical triumphs.
On Saturday afternoon make sure you stop by Yappy Hour with the pup in your life. It will be held from 3 to 6 p.m. at Dolphin Cove, and among the other highlights of the event (puppy and human treats, artwork, toys and more), Lana from Mindbodymassage will be there offering relaxing 10-minute chair massages.
The Boca Grande Art Alliance's Valentine Show will continue through Sunday, from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.
Team Hudson's will be raising funds for Boca Grande Relay for life with a barbecue on Sunday from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. They will be grilling burgers and dogs for donations.
The first spaghetti dinner of the season will be Sunday night as well. From 4:30 to 7:30 p.m. stop by the Crowninshield Community House to be served some of the finest pasta around. Bring some wine, relax, and be among friends. The next spaghetti dinner after this one will be March 10.
Join the Friends of the Boca Grande Community Center for an evening of jazz on Monday, Feb. 11 at 5:30 p.m. and again at 8 p.m. at the Crowninshield Community House.
The Patricia Dean Trio will be the entertainment, featuring the versatile and dynamic pianist Stu Shelton, Dave Trefethen on bass and guitar and the unique female drumming and vocals of Patricia Dean. They will perform songs from the Great American Songbook, as well as Brazilian Bossa Nova, jazz, ballads and more.
Tickets are not given out in advance for the concert. Call the Friends office to get your seat assignment.
Bring your own refreshments. Friends will supply snacks, cups and cocktail napkins. Dress is nightclub casual.
Call Denise at 964-0827 (the Friends office) for more information.
Also, keep in mind there will be a second jazz performance by Kitt Moran on April 8, also at the Crowninshield House. Call Friends for more information.
Team Hudson's will be raising funds for Boca Grande Relay for life again on Wednesday, Feb. 13 with a bake sale in front of Hudson's from 2 to 5:30 p.m.
On Thursday, Feb. 14 Rosemary Bowler will be talking about "Villains and Victims of Bad Press" at 10 a.m. The cost is $100 and it will be held in the Woman's Club Room at the Boca Grande Community Center.
This will be an ongoing series, call 964-0827 for more information.


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Posted: 17 Jan 2013, 07:17
I finally got to do something freaking nice! I go to a community college and the semester started about 2 weeks ago. Our school unfortunately requires a lot of books that are made by them which means they are very expensive and you can't buy them elsewhere. I was in the school bookstore waiting in line angry that I was about to pay almost $200 for one book. The girl ahead of me went to pay for her book and the clerk told her it would be $155 not including tax. She obviously wasn't expecting that as I saw a wave of disappointment wash over her face.
I realized I had the book she needed and told her I'd sell it to her for $20. She said she didn't have any cash and had to go to the class she needed it for in 20 minutes. I jumped in my car and raced home to get the book and I gave it to her for free. After that, the amount I paid for my book didn't matter because it was so awesome she got hers for free. I really felt like I was sticking it to that darn bookstore!
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Posted: 17 Jan 2013, 07:40
That was a great thing you did for her; we need more kids like you around here!
" Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
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Posted: 17 Jan 2013, 08:23
Pay it forward...love it!
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Posted: 17 Jan 2013, 08:31
A few years back, a single mom who was going to community college did pretty much the same thing, and at the end of the semester, the students she had given her books to returned them and offered up more to loan out. Now, that single mom has started a college library called Barb's Books. Anyone going to school can "borrow" whatever books they need for the term/year as they return them & donate when they can. It's a fabulous program that has saved my butt! By spreading the word, you could easily get something similar started.
Either way, you're awesome for helping out a stranger. Society needs more people like you.
If you can spend years beating yourself up mentally and remain standing, you can HANDLE a few muscle cramps and cravings. A little pain has NOTHING on feeling insecure. Remember that next time you wanna quit. You can do this!
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Posted: 17 Jan 2013, 08:41
That is AWESOME!!!
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Posted: 17 Jan 2013, 11:25
Selena, you DEFINITELY get the gold star of the day for that stunt. Hat's off to you. We need more people like you.
"Losing weight is never about eating as little as possible"
- Kingkeld.
"Eating enough, moving more, not eating stupid s**t = losing weight."
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"Do. Or do not. There is no trying."
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Posted: 19 Jan 2013, 14:56
LOL - do the FN things always have to be for the greater good to qualify? The other day, when we had icy weather, a customer with his wife & 3 small children came in the store and after 'slamming' my door shut when they left, ( he was rude and I didn't give him the answer he wanted) their big double cab truck was stuck at the curb because of the ice (our streets dip into the curbs - go figure city planning ).
I took two carpet runners from my store to put under his rear truck wheels. At first he argued (dumb old woman, that won't work) but it did, and they were able to back out.
So yes, I was nice to muster the kindness to help someone even after they were rude to me twice.
On the other hand, I knew they'd bring those kids back in the store if they stayed stuck and had to call a tow truck. Our store isn't really set up for 3 young children under 8 years old who want to run, scream and touch everything. So my FN thing was probably more for me than them.
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Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 02:15
LOL, Bella, sometimes we help OURSELVES by being nice to others. Still, not matter the purpose of the action, it was nice of you to help 'em out.
"Losing weight is never about eating as little as possible"
- Kingkeld.
"Eating enough, moving more, not eating stupid s**t = losing weight."
- Kingkeld.
"Do. Or do not. There is no trying."
- Master Yoda.
I started my weight loss journey on October 4th, 2010 - and this is what I have accomplished so far:
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Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 02:20
Just remembered this: I used to live in Houston, TX. Summers are, as most of you are aware of, hotter than hell.
One hot summer day, I went to a little store in a Chinese are. In the store was a little lady behind the counter, and my wife and I would often have a little chat with her. She's always have her little boy playing in the back room.
This particular day we come to the store, and it is sooooo hot in there. They air conditioner broke, and she was waiting for her husband to come fix it, but it would be hours before he could. Her and her boy were so hot, and she wasn't able to leave the store as she was the only one there to take care of customers.
I have no idea how to fix air conditioners so I did the next best thing. I went a little further down the road and bought her ice, water and a sixpack of REALLY cold sodas, for them to cool off on.
She was so grateful, she was almost crying.
The payoff? She told a little lady at an excellent little Chinese restaurant right around the corner, and we got the "friend's discount" there whenever we went. One of our favorite places to eat after that.
F'kin nice!
"Losing weight is never about eating as little as possible"
- Kingkeld.
"Eating enough, moving more, not eating stupid s**t = losing weight."
- Kingkeld.
"Do. Or do not. There is no trying."
- Master Yoda.
I started my weight loss journey on October 4th, 2010 - and this is what I have accomplished so far:
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Posted: 21 Jan 2013, 07:34
Good for you Keld. We have hotter than heck summers here too so Ihave keep bottled water in my store (and I'm not a grocer) and give it to customers and delivery people free. Some are grateful some are greedy - I figure in the end it all balances out and hope those grateful find a way to pay it forward too (although I don't pass out the water with that request).
I also have what I call a 'soft touch' budget for hard luck stories that come in - that's MH's label for when I give directly to people who really seem in need.
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Posted: 30 Jan 2013, 17:17
Many years ago when I had 3 under 5s we were real short of money, I took all the kids shopping, which was a trek involving a long walk, a boat and a very steep hill. I got the bare basics and got to the checkout, after my shopping had all been rung up I didn't have enough money to pay for it, I was only short by a very small amount. The checkout girl stood up and shouted the full length of the store to the supervisor " lady hasn't got enough money" I have never been sohumiliated in my entire life. Ever since if I see someone in that situation I pay the little bit extra myself and say to them to do the same some day for someone else. I believe in the end it will go full circle and come back to me one day when I need it. I hope that someone else is saved that feeling I had that day, I always say anyone can come out and not bring enough money with them,. No one has taken offense so far either.
Sometimes the only thing in life that you can control is what you put in your mouth!
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Posted: 30 Jan 2013, 20:41
This is the BEST thread I've ever read - thanks to all for making this a great evening!
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Posted: 13 Feb 2013, 00:59
Only read this post today, but inspired none the less out here in South Africa to do something similar. I think we are all so caught up in our own lives that we so easily forget how little it can take sometimes to make a significant difference in someone elses. Thank you for the inspiration
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I think it is a great alternative, especially when you are tired of water. Green tea had been shown to have lots of benefits as well.
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Estar debidamente hidratado es muy importante también. Proper hydration is important too.
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u can use 15 or 19
That's what I thought.
thanks Zakaree
Looks like that riser must be one of the "accessories". And since 15mm and 19mm systems use different heigths that would make sense. I remember one early photo showing 15mm rods that clamped right along side the camera body. I think this is why I'm confused...mayby. lol
Thanks for all the feedback, guys. Good to know the Chrosziel DV FF works well. Has anyone used the Petroff?
Also, I know that RED's rails system works on 19mm rods. But, if I'm going to buy a Mattebox and Follow Focus that both use 15mm, can I just buy something like this (see attached pic), which is 15mm rods from the start? Why deal with different size rods, if all my accessories will work on 15mm rods? Or am I missing something important?
Jamie, the key is the distance from the center of the rods to each other and the distance from the center of the rods to the center of the lens. 19mm is what the camera is set up for which has a wider center and a deeper center than either 15mm standard. So In order to use 15mm accessories you have to use one of the adapters pictured above WITH a the 19mm set up. It's a total drag. I'm going to try and get a basic adapter made that would circumnavigate that and give you 15mm LW with no 19mm set up. It would work like the Chroziel LW rod setups for the full sized cameras (900's and varicams) We shall see.
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Overscan is extra image area around the four edges of a video image that may not be seen reliably by the viewer. It exists because television sets in the 1930s through 1970s were highly variable in how the video image was framed within the cathode ray tube (CRT).
Origins of overscan[edit]
Early televisions varied in their displayable area because of manufacturing tolerance problems. There were also effects from the early design limitations of linear power supplies, whose DC voltage was not regulated as well as in later switching-type power supplies. This would cause the image to shrink when AC power 'browned out', as well as a process called blooming, where the image size increased slightly when a brighter overall picture was displayed. Because of this, TV producers could not be certain where the visible edges of the image would be. In order to cope with this, they defined three areas:[1]
- Title safe: An area visible by all reasonably maintained sets, where text was certain not to be cut off.
- Action safe: A larger area that represented where a "perfect" set (with high precision to allow less overscanning) would cut the image off.
- Overscan: The full image area to the electronic edge of the signal.
A significant number of people would still see some of the overscan area, so while nothing important to a scene could be placed there, it also had to be kept free of microphones, stage hands, and other distractions. Studio monitors and camera viewfinders can be set to show this area, so that producers and directors can make certain it is clear. When activated, this mode is called underscan.[2]
Modern sets[edit]
Today's TV sets can be based on newer fixed-pixel technologies like liquid crystal displays (LCDs). For 1080i/p overscan is undesirable,[3] as it reduces picture quality and 1:1 pixel mapping is preferred.[4]
Overscan in computers[edit]
On LCDs driven from a digital signal, no adjustment is necessary because all pixels are in fixed positions. Thus all modern computers can safely assume that every last pixel is visible to the viewer. Analog video signals such as VGA, however, are subject to timing variations and even when using an LCD panel do not have this exactness. When video or animation content is designed to be viewed on computers (for example, Flash movies), it is not necessary to keep critical content away from the edge.
CRTs made for computer display are set to underscan with an adjustable border, usually colored black.[5] The border will change size and shape if required to allow for the tolerance of low precision (although later models allow for precise calibration to minimise or eliminate the border). As such, computer CRTs use less physical screen area than TVs, to allow all information to be shown at all times.
Computer CRT monitors usually have a black border (unless they are fine-tuned by a user to minimize it)—these can be seen in the video card timings, which have more lines than are used by the desktop. When a computer CRT is advertised as 17-inch (16-inch viewable), it will have a diagonal inch of the tube covered by the plastic cabinet; this black border will occupy this missing inch (or more) when its geometry calibrations are set to default (LCDs with analog input need to deliberately identify and ignore this part of the signal, from all four sides).[citation needed]
Video game systems have been designed to keep important game action in the title safe area. Older systems did this with borders for example, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System windowboxed the image with a black border, visible on some NTSC television sets and all PAL television sets. Newer systems frame content much as live action does, with the overscan area filled with extraneous details.[6]
Within the wide diversity of home computers that arose during the 1980s and early 1990s, many machines such as the Sinclair ZX Spectrum or Commodore 64 (C64) had borders around their screen, which worked as a frame for the display area. Some other computers such as the Commodore Amiga allowed the video signal timing to be changed to produce overscan. In the cases of the C64 and Atari ST it has proved possible to remove apparently fixed borders with special coding tricks. This effect was called overscan or fullscreen within the 16-bit Atari demoscene and allowed the development of a CPU-saving scrolling technique called sync-scrolling a bit later.
Analog TV overscan can also be used for datacasting. The simplest form of this is closed captioning and teletext, both sent in the vertical blanking interval (VBI). Electronic program guides, such as TV Guide On Screen, are also sent in this manner. Microsoft's HOS uses the horizontal overscan instead of the vertical to transmit low-speed program-associated data at 6.4 kbit/s, which is slow enough to be recorded on a VCR without data corruption.[7] In the U.S., National Datacast uses PBS network stations for overscan and other datacasting, but is migrating to digital TV prior to digital television transition in 2009.[dated info]
Overscan amounts[edit]
There is no hard technical specification for overscan amounts for the low definition formats. Some say 5%, some say 10%, and the figure can be doubled for title safe, which needs more margin compared to action safe. The overscan amounts are specified for the high definition formats as specified above.
Different video and broadcast television systems require differing amounts of overscan. Most figures serve as recommendations or typical summaries, as the nature of overscan is to overcome a variable limitation in older technologies such as cathode ray tubes.
However the European Broadcasting Union has safe area recommendations regarding Television Production for 16:9 Widescreen.[8]
The official BBC suggestions[9] actually say 3.5% / 5% per side (see p21, p19). The following is a summary:
Action safe | Title safe | |||
Vertical | Horizontal | Vertical | Horizontal | |
4:3 | 3.5% | 3.3% | 5.0% | 6.7% |
16:9 | 3.5% | 3.5% | 5.0% | 10.0% |
14:9 (displayed on 16:9) | 3.5% | 10.0% | 5.0% | 15.0% |
4:3 (displayed on 16:9) | 3.5% | 15.0% | 5.0% | 17.5% |
Microsoft's Xbox game developer guidelines recommend using 85 percent of the screen width and height,[6] or a title safe area of 7.5% per side.
Title safe or safe title is an area which is far enough in from the edges to neatly show text without distortion. If you place text beyond the safe area it may not display on some older CRT TV sets (in worst case).
Action safe or safe action is the area in which you can expect the customer to see action. However, the transmitted image may extend to the edges of the MPEG frame 720x576. This presents a requirement unique to television, where an image with reasonable quality is expected to exist where some customers won't see it. This is the same concept as used in widescreen cropping.
TV safe is a generic term for the above two, and could mean either one.
Analog to digital resolution issues[edit]
720 vs. 702 or 704[edit]
The sampling (digitising) of standard definition video was defined in Rec. 601 in 1982. In this standard, the existing analogue video standards are sampled at 13.5 MHz. Thus the number of active video pixels per line is equal to the sample rate multiplied by the active line duration (the part of each analogue video line which contains active video, i.e. does not contain sync pulses, blanking etc.).
- For 625-line 50 Hz video (usually, though incorrectly, called "PAL"), the active line duration is 52 µs,[10] giving 702 pixels per line.
- For 525-line 60 Hz video (usually, though incorrectly, called "NTSC"), the active line duration is 52.856 µs,[11] giving ~713.5 pixels per line.
In order to accommodate both formats within the same line length, and to avoid cutting off parts of the active picture if the timing of the analogue video was at or beyond the tolerances set in the relevant standards, a total digital line length of 720 pixels was chosen. Hence the picture will have thin black bars down each side.
704 is the nearest mod(16) value to the actual analogue line lengths, and avoids having black bars down each side.
The use of 704 can be further justified as follows:
- 625-line analogue video contains 575 active video lines[12] (this includes two half lines). When the half lines are rounded up to whole lines for ease of digital representation, this gives 576 lines, which is also the nearest mod(16) value to 575. To maintain the same picture aspect ratio, the number of active pixels could be increased to 703.2, which can be rounded up to 704.
- 525-line analogue video contains 485 active video lines[11] (this include two half lines, though typically only 483 picture lines are present due to Closed Captions data taking up the first "active picture" line on each field). The nearest mod(16) value is 480. To maintain the same picture aspect ratio, the number of active pixels could be decreased to 706.2, which can be rounded down to 704 for mod(16).
The "standard" pixel aspect ratio data found in video editors, certain ITU standards, MPEG etc. is usually based on an approximation of the above, fudged to allow either 704 or 720 pixels to equate to the full 4x3 or 16x9 picture at the whim of the author.[13]
Although standards-compliant video processing software should never fill all 720 pixels with active picture (only the center 704 pixels must contain the actual image, and the remaining 8 pixels on the sides of the image should constitute vertical black bars), recent digitally generated content (e.g. DVDs of recent movies) often disregards this rule. This makes it difficult to tell whether these pixels represent wider than 4x3 or 16x9 (as they would do if following Rec.601), or represent exactly 4x3 or 16x9 (as they would do if created using one of the fudged 720-referenced pixel aspect ratios).
625 / 525 or 576 / 480[edit]
In broadcasting, analogue systems count the lines not used for the visible picture, whereas the digital systems only bother to encode (and compress) content that may contain something to see.
The 625 (PAL) and 525 (NTSC) line areas therefore contain even more to overscan, which can be seen when vertical hold is lost and the picture rolls.[citation needed]
A large part of the vertical overscan available in analogue only, known as the vertical blanking interval, can be used for older forms of analogue datacasting such as Teletext services (like Ceefax and subtitling in the UK). The equivalent service on Digital television does not employ overscan and instead often uses MHEG.[citation needed]
Horizontally, the difference between 702/704 and 720 is referred to as nominal analogue blanking.
480 vs 486[edit]
The 525-line system originally contained 486 lines of picture, not 480.
Digital foundations to most storage and transmission systems since the early 1990s have meant that analogue NTSC has only been expected to have 480 lines of picture[citation needed] – see SDTV, EDTV, and DVD-Video.
How this affects the interpretation of "the 4:3 ratio" as equal to 704x480 or 704x486 is unclear, but the VGA standard of 640x480 has had a large impact.[citation needed]
See also[edit]
- ^ Biggs, Billy. "Overscan and broadcast television". Retrieved 2012-02-09.
- ^ "Underscan/Overscan and The Safe Area Indicator". www.seriousmagic.com. Archived from the original on 2008-06-14. Retrieved 2012-05-01.
- ^ "'HD ready 1080p' License Agreement". www.digitaleurope.org. Archived from the original on 2011-07-25. Retrieved 2012-05-01.
- ^ Drawbaugh, Ben (2010-05-27). "HD 101: Overscan and why all TVs do it". engadget.com. Retrieved 2012-05-01.
- ^ Some 1980s home computers could change the border color: for example, see Apple IIGS#Technical specifications.
- ^ a b "GDC 2004: Cross-Platform User Interface Development". Gamasutra. 2004. Retrieved 2012-02-09.
- ^ "Microsoft Intellectual Property and Licensing". Microsoft.com. 2011-10-27. Retrieved 2012-01-04.
- ^ "Safe areas for 16:9 television production". EBU – Recommendation R95. September 2008. Retrieved 2012-05-01.
- ^ "BBC Technical Standards for Network Television Delivery". BBC. November 2009. Archived from the original on 2010-03-11. Retrieved 2012-05-01.
- ^ brweb (2000-05-01). "ITU-R BT.470-6". Itu.int. Retrieved 2012-01-04.
- ^ a b SMPTE 170M
- ^ facialz (2008-03-09). "Table of PAL PARs - DVD conversion". Doom9's Forum. p. 2. Retrieved 2012-05-01.
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This will never get government approval.
I completely agree with you.
I...wait, I completely agree with you?
Stop being this way, it's making me feel dirty (and it's turning me on).
Amanda Win-Lee because I want her to do her Yukiko laughing fits.
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Good for him I guess...his success certainly doesn't upset me. With that said I think I watched maybe 2 minutes of one of his videos in the past and had to close it. I personally think his videos are loud, obnoxious, and aimed at the lowest common denominator. It wasn't witty or funny...just...well basically a grown man yelling stupid things into a microphone. If millions of people enjoy that kind of thing though more power to him.
He's kinda like Rush Limbaugh, when you think about it.
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"All I could feel was pain and I said to myself I had made it to 60 and I wanted to at least see 61. Then I started praying and I asked the Lord to guide my hands."
It's official, God wants you to kill people.
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A good rule of thumb, if you chose your major because it's "easy", drop out of school and go get a job. You'll be making the same money you'd be making when you graduate, and you won't have all the school debt to pay back. Now if you chose your major because it's a high-demand field and what you are learning applies directly to the line of work you want to go into, then by all means stay in school.
EHHHHH, I dunno about that. I went through my undergraduate because the classes were easy, but nothing really translated directly into a job. On the other hand, I did find out what I wanted to do and now I'm working on a Master's degree in that field.
I mean, I'm not going to make A LOT of money in that field (libraries), but at least I really like where I'm working. It's a lot better to find a job you love than work a job you hate.
Also, I'm a frugal McCheapypants so I can hold off buying stuff to pay off loans.
Aw yeah, and the site for it's still up!
@deeliman said:@THE_DRUGGIE said:@The-Apostle said:@mattbbpl said:
Can we all agree that it's time to raise the minimum wage, now? When we subsidize full time workers of these jobs so that they remain above the poverty line, I find it hard to argue otherwise.
Yes, let's raise minimum wage so we can make it worse for everybody with higher prices.
Pretty sure we can pay the extra buck for the yoga pants, buck-o.
Pay an extra buck? How unamerican!
I know we're being silly, but I think we can all take a moment to be serious and agree that if you think paying an extra dollar for yoga pants is significant enough of an issue to prevent a large group of people from getting paid a living wage, your brain's hemispheres need to be divorced.
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Well maybe he was the ZAHHHHHMBE The Cranberries were yelling about.
but if it was IRA. then ZOMG ZOMG A TERRORIZT ATTACK!!!
Army can do anything but small individuals cant do anything without being lalbed terrorist.
I think it's in YOUR HeeEEEAAAAd. In your HEEEEeeeeEEEaaaaD!
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I like going into the library at my uni and turning off the lights in the cafe/lounging area as I pass by.
I feel so badass cuz ain't no body can do shit. Stupid Uni should know you can't put light switches that are easily accessible to the public >.>
Crawling around in some Russian jungle.
Well maybe he was the ZAHHHHHMBE The Cranberries were yelling about.
An abandoned oil rig off the coast of Chile.
I think we should build a walking, nuclear-equipped tank just in case things go south.
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It would be an unmitigated disaster and severely fuck up your government and country.
*implying country and government aren't already fucked up*
It'd be like Last of Us but without the brain mushrooms.
So basically the good part of Detroit.
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Can we all agree that it's time to raise the minimum wage, now? When we subsidize full time workers of these jobs so that they remain above the poverty line, I find it hard to argue otherwise.
Yes, let's raise minimum wage so we can make it worse for everybody with higher prices.
Pretty sure we can pay the extra buck for the yoga pants, buck-o.
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16 states have joined the hoards of hell. :(
Hell can't be any worse than Chicago.
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..."Potential Terrorists" In Official Government Documents
4. "The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule"
So...zombie George Washington?
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I can't work out the gameplay reasons for it, but in Civ5 I do a hell of a lot less exploring then I did in Civ4. Anyone els enotice this?
I can't work out the gameplay reasons for it, but in Civ5 I do a hell of a lot less exploring then I did in Civ4. Anyone els enotice this?
I noticed. If you are going to build some early wonder like henge or library, you ll need to build worker and than that wonder. You dont have time for scouts.
I usually build worker and than library and national college. Its better to get extra 100 science (average amount i lose if i build lib and nat college 4 turns later), than trying to find some useless "unit upgrade" or "map of ocean".
Agreed, I miss how some civs would get a scout instead of a warrior in civ 4.
I'd like if map trading was brought back... maybe you should get a small science boost for uncovering new tiles
Once you have resources to sell knowing more civs can become very important and if you look for comparative purposes at the price of buying a scout with gold compared to the amount of gold you can get from selling one happiness resource to a civilization you didn't have contact with, having a scout is very good value for money.
I play the game with a "Worker & Scout at Start" mod, so I haven't noticed this. I can usually then build a second scout fairly early on, too.
In my case I think I explore more than CIV IV BTS. I certainly start with a scout in almost every game and it seems to work fine, immortal level. It is important to know whats going on around the capital or get some early boost from ruins. What do you usually build first in the capital? On the other hand CIV IV BTS Incas didn't really explore much until I traded maps later..
scouts only take 5-7 turns...totally worth it, because you can easily get 1-2 more ruins with one, one of which could be a culture boost or free tech, which totally pays for the scout. plus you can find more natural wonders, more CSes etc. if anything, in V they give you more incentive to explore
Not only do you get to look for ruins faster when moving both a scout and warrior in the early few turns (so get benefits including scout becioming an archer), with a scout who can move more tiles per turn you can also find the Barb encampments sooner. Then you can farm them quickly and in sequence when you have warriors or archers available. And like Civ IV, you do get the local map unfogged quicker so you can plan out your city locations in advance, especially when seeking luxuries or iron. I tend to start with monument and scout to get going then go to worker while using polices to get my first settler and a maybe second worker. But to each their own...
Odd; I find myself exploring MORE in Civ5.
Exploring seems even more important in Civ5. A couple of the benefits of early exploration:
1) It's a good idea to survey all the nearby land in a circle around your capital to plan your next cities.
2) Grabbing ruins before others do.
3) Meeting city-states and getting some gold - even better if you're the first. You can get a decent amount of gold just by meeting multiple city-states during the early part of the game. They'll also make requests for you later on.
4) Discovering natural wonders. I like this new feature of the series because it gives you more incentive to explore by boosting happiness. More happiness fuels more growth/expansion.
5) "Fog busting". Especially in Civ5, because once you survey a piece of land, you'll see any future expansions made on it, which is useful.
6) Making contact with other civs early.
7) Finding out where those civs are located.
8) Finding barbarian camps to attack with your stronger units to get more gold and maybe even city-state influence.
There's probably more, but the wife keeps bugging me and I don't want her to see me posting on here because she'll make fun of me!
Also, I usually use scouts instead of warriors because they're quicker and can still easily survive and evade barbarians. My initial warrior I use to survey the nearby ring of land around my capital and then I keep him near my territory for defense.
Of course I explore directly around my capital, and I always build a scout, but after that I rarely explore much outside my continent. I frequently get to the modern era having not met any civs from different continents. Never happened me in Civ4.
I scout. Often my first 140 or 200 usually goes into buying a scout or a warrior. Usually these pay for themselves, or nearly so, by finding ruins so it is a net gain. Also getting out there and pacifying your area of barbs saves you a lot of headache turns down the line.
Ah! now that is different to what you initially implied.
I am usually quite late in searching for other continents unless i am on a reasonably remote one.i.e. with very few civs, as naval techs are almost on their own tree and there is usually a lot more important things to invest science in.
I agree 100%, you just highlighted nearly all of my main points.
There's also
9) Luxury resource trading.
10) The fact that you can't trade for map info later, so you're stuck with what you can reach before borders cut you off (until modern tech).
11) 'Farming' barbarians to promote early era UUs, or triremes for super ships later on.
12) As Bismark or Suleiman, converting barbarians.
I do this, too. And then build a second scout in my capital. Even when I turn OFF the Ancient Ruins goody-huts. Next up for me, is always the Monument. Only then do I build a Warrior, to garrison the city.
That pattern repeats itself every time I build a new city, though after my second or third city, I usually skip the Scout.
After those are built, I actually focus more on Production-increasing structures, rather than Science-increasing structures. If it takes you 5 tuns to build a library, then 5 turns to build something that gives you +20% production ... building them in the other order may shave 10 turns down to 9 turns.
I won a culture game last night without exploring any further than my own borders!
There is a hell of a lot less reason to do just about everything in Civ5 compared to Civ4. Not much reason to build most buildings, not much reason to do anything other then hit end turn, not many real decisions to be made, no real reason to explore the whole map beyond what the area you plan to settle, the AI doesn't like to make trades so there is little reason to even interact with them beyond massacring their troops when they declare war on you for no reason, not much reason to do much of anything really.
on continent maps, the best thing to do is explore your own continent, then build a caravel when able and set it to auto-explore the rest of the map. arch maps you're better of trieme-exploring as much as you can manually.
I used to build a scout first, for many of the reasons outlined above, but that was when I played larger landmasses. Lately I've been trying archipelago and small-continent maps, on which it makes no sense to scout the small areas. A warrior is enough until you can embark a unit for farther exploration. Likewise, a single worker suffices, or perhaps two. And finally, my military remains relatively small, with emphasis on ranged units, since the AI is so easy to defeat. The result is that I can concentrate on buildings and wonders most of the time.
I'm eager to see this!
Well, I was thinking that you were going to give us some examples of why you do more exploring in Civ 5 than in Civ 4. This is definitly not one good example since it apply to all versions of Civilization.
Unless you play without any ruins. Many do that since ruins are so lamme in this game.
Besides, that's another reason that is present in every version of Civilization.
Meeting a failed new feature early? No thanks. I prefer to play without any City-States, again, like many.
That's one valid point, I agree.
"Which is useful"... why? After 3 or 4 games of Civilization 5 you will be able to know exactly when and where the AI will expand. They are extremelly predictable.
So they can start hating and denouncing you earlier? I believe you just gave everybody a reason why NOT to explore.
The only civs that you will have interest in knowing are the ones that are close to you, and that doesn't require extensive exploring, but basic exploring.
Valid for certain civs and of no importance to the vast majority.
Overall I've counted only one reason to do more exploring in Civ 5 than in any other version of Civ, and it has to do with a new feature that, depending on your situation or strategy, won't be of imediate importance.
But I've counted one reason to do less exploring in Civ 5 than in other versions of Civ, so it's another loss for this little piece of bad coding called Civ 5.
Same here.
Well, yes, if you have turned off city states and goodie huts then scouting is a lot less valuable in your games. In fact I'd go so far to say you don't seem to want to be playing Civ V at all! But his points there are very significant bonuses when talking about the base game.
Also you really underestimate the value of discovering your neighbors. Even if you don't see the value of knowing what they are up to strategically on the map, selling them stuff and getting research agreements with them early and often are almost required tactics for high level play.
This, admittedly was somewhat true for similar reasons in IV and previous incarnations because of trading, but with V you have a very direct reason to want to meet as many people as possible, as quickly as possible. Namely that you can only have one research agreement at a time with any one civ where in past incarnations trading was much less limited.
It boils down to this, your early units can pay for themselves. It IS rather luck based, and you have modded away two of the main ways this happens, but even just removing barb camps can be a source of income.
I simply said, "A couple of the benefits of early exploration", not, "A couple of examples of why exploration is more important in Civ5 vs. Civ4"
I was replying to the original post that said they perform almost no exploring at all. I'm sorry for the confusing structure of my original post. I merely stated my opinion followed by why it's a good idea to explore in this game, since again, the OP initially said they didn't do it. I thought it was a noobie-help thread.
I have some responses to your own if you happen to be as eager enough to read them as you were my other ones you preyed upon.
Of course, surveying your immediate surroundings and grabbing ruins/huts are important in BOTH Civs and wouldn't support an argument on which version it's more important in. I certainly agree with that. Like I said, I was just giving the OP examples of why it's useful to expand.Originally Posted by jacypr
That's funny, because I was going to add a remark in parentheses that read something like, "unless you play without them", too, since they're somewhat trivial and optional. Oh well...Originally Posted by jacypr
But then again, I usually refer to the default game and assume it's played as it was intended to be played unless someone states otherwise.
After all, if we're going to refute each other by saying, "well I don't play my games with that feature!", I or someone else can just say exploration is useless entirely because in OUR games we've removed the fog of war and have the entire map revealed from the start.
Also, you say ruins are lame. Fair enough; that's your opinion. But you also say "many" of the players believe so as well. Are you certain of this?
I personally like the ruins because they give a little more of an incentive to explore and reward those that do so early, making the decision to build scouts vs. other things more important early in the game (even though I do dislike a few of the rewards from those ruins, like the map one, grr). Plus, I believe they're just fun and I like the sound effect.
Again, I usually refer to the default game and assume it's played as it was intended.Originally Posted by jacypr
Disabling ruins is one thing, but to tear-out a feature like city-states which is so entwined with many other aspects of the game seems detrimental to me personally.
I've actually never really played with an intended feature disabled; how does it work? If you disable city-states, what happens to Ramkhamhaeng, Alexander, or Genghis's unique ability? How is the Patronage branch altered, as well as many other things? If nothing else adapts to the change, it looks like a pretty broken game when you start ripping things out, in my opinion.
Also, there's that "many" again. I hope when you say that you don't mean "majority".
<thumbs up>Originally Posted by jacypr
If you can't see the usefulness of it then I don't really know what to say.Originally Posted by jacypr
You really know "exactly" WHEN and WHERE (as in the "direction" too) the AI will expand without busting away the clouds? That's impressive.
You also know the shape of the generated map that all these civs lie on? (Go ahead… tell me you play on those Earth maps too.) You also can plan ahead because you know where the mountain ranges have been generated which totally alter the way you travel across the map (unlike in Civ4 where you could easily march past them in most cases), right?
In Civ4, fog busting was useful and helped reveal the shape of the map (which I would also like to note, was much more predictable and inferior to the map generator in Civ5) as well as the location of civs and resources. But in order to keep a good enough tab on those other civs, you had to continuously explore the same area to see what they were up to. So it was more like a temporary benefit; an assurance that nothing was there only on that very turn, the start of the next one, and maybe for a few more turns following it. After a couple of turns, the information is obsolete.
But, since Civ5 gives you immediate territorial updates for the rest of the game once you bust away the clouds, it makes your initial exploration much more valuable and encourages you to explore even deeper to reveal more of the map instead of having to patrol an area. Hence, the earlier and more aggressively you get out there and explore the more you benefit and can plan with the information you gain and will continue to gain.
Well, unless you start playing the game like a belligerent oaf, expand foolishly, haphazardly choose your friends and enemies, and/or lie to and betray them, most civs are usually neutral/friendly towards the beginning and can provide you with extra gold, resources, and research agreements.Originally Posted by jacypr
Once the empire machine is up and running and you engage in war(s) to further yourself, THEN the world starts to hate you. (Hopefully this'll be adjusted in future patches.)
But yeah, I suppose I can somewhat agree that finding other civs for the sake of "contact" is not so important if you plan on burning-down the world and warmongering from the start. Though, in this case, just locating civs would still be useful.
It still requires exploring, be it basic or extensive, which was what I was initially explaining.Originally Posted by jacypr
Also, I disagree. Knowing where your "neighbors" are is important, but if you're a good player you know that it's also useful to find out where and who your neighbors' neighbors are as well so you can plan accordingly.
Example: You explore deeper and find out that Askia is behind your neighbor. Even better, you discover thru further exploration that he's become blocked-in by your neighbor's expanding. Right there is a possible opportunity you can take now or down the road to bribe Askia into attacking your neighbor if it helps with your own plans. Even if you don't wish to bribe, it's still something to keep in mind because you know eventually the neighbor IS going to be attacked by Askia; so you can plan accordingly.
No importance at all? I disagree. I even disagree if it pertains to one of your games (and the vast "many") without city-states. While not even looking at the potential influence-boosting capabilities, camps are still a nice source of gold early in the game with the added bonus of toughening-up your units with experience. Also, sometimes they have a worker held captive within the camp (and no, they don't only capture city-state workers). I would think that getting an extra worker early in the game would be important. You do play with barbarians, right? Or do you disable them as well?Originally Posted by jacypr
Maybe in "your" games with features disabled; especially new ones like city-states. That's like arguing that naval units in Civ5 aren't more useful than they are in Civ4 (because you disabled ranged attacks in your games).Originally Posted by jacypr
Also, since you're referring to natural wonders as the new feature, I believe extra happiness "is" of immediate importance early in the game during the expansion phase (even if vertical), especially for the mere cost of a scout (or two).
Sorry, I missed that one. What is the reason?Originally Posted by jacypr
Here's an extra one for ya: "Herp Derp. +1 naval movement from being the first to circumnavigate the globe is gone in Civ5."
Perhaps you should start playing again to refresh on things, jacypr.Originally Posted by jacypr
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I skip worker altogether.
I build scout, settler then a wonder.
The second city will build warrior and then a settler.
I repeat and only buy the worker once i got cash.
I expand faster yet still be able to build a wonder
At diety, correct me if i am wrong, i can never build Stonehenge, so instead i build the great wall
In MP you can build a wonder in such development only if no one wants it. To raise chances you need worker and than immedeately wonder. At 10th-12th turn.
If you are not going into early wonder, the best choice is national college as fast as possible. Any objections?
You get it by 25-35 turn, and there is no other way to get the amount it gives (20-30 total). And after that you may expand as you wish. I think that nat college should give 1extra science per 2 or 3 citizens instead of +5 constant (or +75% instead of +50% but without +5 constant)
Some calculations (a bit tricky for someone - close to economic "lost opportunities" principle) show that by building scout before lib and nat college you lose 2-3 science for 4 turns because of not having lib, and 4.5-7.5 (that is 50% increase of city science with population 4-8) and plus 7.5 (that is constant bonus +5 multiplied by 50%) because of not having nat college.
So the total is 2*4 + 4.5*4 + 7.5*4 = 8+18+30 = 56 science lost. That is minimum amount if population is low (4). (when production priority is set)
When growth priority is set you lose 3*4 + 7.5*4 + 7.5*4 = 12+30+30 = 72 science. That is true cost of scout.
What you get by early scout?
1-3 happiness by natural wonders.
30-90 gold (you may get half of it later), gold to production conversion (buying) is very inefficient at the beginning of the game (7:1) and should be used only in emergency.
some random bonuses of gold, culture or science (the best is culture if you dont have tradition, science - is unlikely that you ll get tech you need now, and gold is inefficient as i told)
These are all countable advantages you get by early scout.
playing without a worker doesn't sound like the best strategy. I usually build a scout then a monument and then a worker in the capital. Then I either go for a wonder or a second city. The worker pays back the turns lost very quickly by adding growth, gold and production to the capital and then the second city which usually comes from the free settler in the liberty social policy branch.