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Re: *** IMPORTANT *** Pentagon was hit by a plane
Reply #160 on:
February 03, 2008, 10:19:51 AM »
Everything we know about the Pentagon hit goes against what this guy is saying.
1. What about the 6 ton Titanium engins?
2. No lugage, no seats, no major parts of a plane.
3. No flight recorders where found
4. Some of the most durable metals known to man vaporated yet they could still identify 181 bodies.
5. The nose of a plane is made of the same material as a can of coke yet was able to make an exit whole through 5 reinforced concreate walls.
6. The guy known to have flown this so called plane couldn't even fly a single engine two seater. Yet he could fly a 757 and hit a target without leaving any marks on the ground and hit his target straight on at 500+ speed.
Don't be fooled by this guy, I'm told to lie to the customers all day everyday and I make much less then this guy did working at the Pentagon.
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Re: *** IMPORTANT *** Pentagon was hit by a plane
Reply #161 on:
February 03, 2008, 10:35:03 AM »
I think the workers/witnesses at the gas station near the pentagon ( including 2 cops ) would have noticed and mentioned
flybys! .. total bull. Not to mention the flight recorder information shows one attempt.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #162 on:
February 03, 2008, 11:31:05 AM »
Quote from: Biggs on February 01, 2008, 05:14:25 PM
no but it does mean that a jet fuel based fireball is less likely, and more likely to be consistent with a blast wave from an accelerant explosive (i.e. a non incendiary explosive device as is common in military grade explosives) - which will cause much less fire than fuel based fireball or incendiary device.
A book on a stand...white walls...prove nothing. There was a fire and damage at the pentagon. What caused it?
the witnesses said a
flew into the building.
said it was a
passenger plane
. What an amazing coincidence. Flt 77 is missing. I'm thinking it was flt 77. Trying to nitpick every piece of evidence will get you nowhere. You can't even get away with it at a big auto accident(since this tire is over here, the car had to have come from that direction)The smoking gun is the amazing maneuvers the plane did, which shows Hani Hanjour wasn't controlling it(as none of the "hijackers" were in control of these flights.)
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #163 on:
February 03, 2008, 11:34:14 AM »
Until someone shows me ONE DAMN BODY on the Pentalawn, I will have to believe it was an unmanned smallish plane, loaded with explosives, or just simply a missile. No bodies, no 757, period.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #164 on:
February 03, 2008, 11:45:44 AM »
Quote from: DiscoDan on February 03, 2008, 11:34:14 AM
Until someone shows me ONE DAMN BODY on the Pentalawn, I will have to believe it was an unmanned smallish plane, loaded with explosives, or just simply a missile. No bodies, no 757, period.
Why do these photos of dead have to be on the lawn?
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #165 on:
February 03, 2008, 12:10:44 PM »
Erm, because they were INSIDE the building? Not outside where the passenger's remains would have been.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #166 on:
February 03, 2008, 12:13:44 PM »
Quote from: jimd3100 on February 03, 2008, 11:45:44 AM
Why do these photos of dead have to be on the lawn?
Both those bodies are wearing jumpsuits. Were they ever identified? It looks like their teeth are intact thus positive identification would be possible.
We have all seen the images of rows of bodies lined up for a head count and identification on TV. It is interesting that we never saw a proper air crash investigation at any of the 911 sites.
Here are some examples of how bodies are lined during investigation.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #167 on:
February 03, 2008, 12:15:56 PM »
To be honest, yes, some remains should be inside, some should be outside. Also luggage, and seats should be visible, inside and out.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #168 on:
February 06, 2008, 01:48:29 PM »
Quote from: DiscoDan on February 03, 2008, 12:15:56 PM
To be honest, yes, some remains should be inside, some should be outside. Also luggage, and seats should be visible, inside and out.
The plane that flew into the WTC had seats, luggage and (supposedly) people inside the plane. The plane flew into the wtc, with these things inside the plane. Why would you insist that the pentagon would be different and as the plane was going into the building the seats would not?
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #169 on:
February 06, 2008, 03:47:40 PM »
Because most of the outside of the WTC is GLASS, with small supports. The pentagon is made, in that section, of reinforced concrete.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #170 on:
February 06, 2008, 04:49:28 PM »
When I work with concrete the lowest strength is around 140,000 PSI. I'm sure the Pentagon's concrete was high strength and probably around 210,000 PSI. And that's just breaking a cylinder. To pulverize or punch a hole in concrete you need something with massive strength and energy. That's why I find the destruction of the Twin Towers so intriguing. To turn concrete to dust, you need very powerful explosives. I have a hard time believing that a plane could go through one ring of the Pentagon, much less three. It's not possible. Even if it did go through the first ring, it wouldn't have enough momentum to through the others.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #171 on:
February 07, 2008, 08:55:34 AM »
I am assuming that you got some numbers mixed up. Most structural concrete is in the 4000-5000 PSI range. Event the strongest concrete (silica fume) is only about 25,000 PSI and is rarely used. What do you need to turn concrete to dust? Sledgehammer will do nicely. 140,000 to 210,000 PSI may be applicable to some of the strongest metamorphic rock, maybe.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #172 on:
February 07, 2008, 09:52:31 AM »
Quote from: truth on February 07, 2008, 08:55:34 AM
I am assuming that you got some numbers mixed up. Most structural concrete is in the 4000-5000 PSI range. Event the strongest concrete (silica fume) is only about 25,000 PSI and is rarely used. What do you need to turn concrete to dust? Sledgehammer will do nicely. 140,000 to 210,000 PSI may be applicable to some of the strongest metamorphic rock, maybe.
You're right, I was thinking of the Max Load during a compression strength test when cylinders are broken. I have worked with consolidated concrete that can get over 6000 PSI, but only on a few jobs. A sledgehammer will only turn concrete to dust if hit over and over. And even then it won't completely turn to dust. 4000-5000 PSI is still much too strong for a plane to go through 3 rings.
I would love to see concrete at 140,000-210,000 PSI. No more structural failures. And a plane flying into it would bounce off like a bird flying into a window.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #173 on:
February 07, 2008, 11:36:45 AM »
I don't think a plane would have any problem at all. That's why when the plane hit the pentagon most of the debris fell inside the building footprint. The forward momentum of something that big and going that fast is tremendous. Worked for the railroad for a couple of decades. Saw engines that weigh half as much traveling less than 1/10 the speed plow through
concrete abutments and bridge bents.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #174 on:
February 07, 2008, 01:53:16 PM »
Quote from: truth on February 07, 2008, 11:36:45 AM
I don't think a plane would have any problem at all. That's why when the plane hit the pentagon most of the debris fell inside the building footprint. The forward momentum of something that big and going that fast is tremendous.
Something big and fast can't fly that low to the ground.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #175 on:
February 07, 2008, 02:40:07 PM »
They never land or take off? At some point in those events they are flying low to the ground. Bombers the same size fly just as low.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #176 on:
February 07, 2008, 03:06:11 PM »
Quote from: truth on February 07, 2008, 02:40:07 PM
They never land or take off? At some point in those events they are flying low to the ground. Bombers the same size fly just as low.
Hani Hanjour, took a 757, with zero time in type, did an amazing maneuver , a 400 knot 330 degree spiraling dive at 2500 fpm, only gaining 30 knots, then 30 knots more descending from 2200 feet at full power, with a very steady hand as to not overshoot or hit the lawn, inside ground effect, at 460 knots impact speed.
Is that how pilots normally land a plane?
Of course planes can fly low to the ground, but only for a very short time. An unexperienced pilot cannot make those maneuvers then fly that low to the ground without experiencing major turbulence. Not to mention not touching the lawn.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
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February 07, 2008, 03:54:16 PM »
Quote from: DCUBED on February 07, 2008, 03:06:11 PM
Hani Hanjour, took a 757, with zero time in type, did an amazing maneuver , a 400 knot 330 degree spiraling dive at 2500 fpm, only gaining 30 knots, then 30 knots more descending from 2200 feet at full power, with a very steady hand as to not overshoot or hit the lawn, inside ground effect, at 460 knots impact speed.
Is that how pilots normally land a plane?
Of course planes can fly low to the ground, but only for a very short time. An unexperienced pilot cannot make those maneuvers then fly that low to the ground without experiencing major turbulence. Not to mention not touching the lawn.
Well, thats the whole point isn't it? None of these pilots ever flew a commercial airliner. The Planes that struck the twin towers didn't just aim at the big building(like most sheep think)they
flew over several states straight toward their target
. Which in my opinion would lead the guilty to be very content with drawing attention away from the fact that the pilot of flt 77 could not have done what they said he did. It would
them greatly for us to go after wild goose chases like invisible missiles and invisible flyovers, and everyone that saw what happened are plants and liars. I'd prefer to take their own rope and hang them with it.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #178 on:
February 17, 2008, 02:32:47 PM »
@Craig Ranke
please do let us know when you post the feature.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #179 on:
February 17, 2008, 08:20:02 PM »
Quote from: Biggs on February 17, 2008, 02:32:47 PM
@Craig Ranke
please do let us know when you post the feature.
I certainly will Biggs.
It should be very soon!
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #180 on:
February 17, 2008, 08:30:14 PM »
Quote from: jimd3100 on February 07, 2008, 03:54:16 PM
Well, thats the whole point isn't it? None of these pilots ever flew a commercial airliner. The Planes that struck the twin towers didn't just aim at the big building(like most sheep think)they
flew over several states straight toward their target
. Which in my opinion would lead the guilty to be very content with drawing attention away from the fact that the pilot of flt 77 could not have done what they said he did. It would
them greatly for us to go after wild goose chases like invisible missiles and invisible flyovers, and everyone that saw what happened are plants and liars. I'd prefer to take their own rope and hang them with it.
The missile theory is done.
The flyover has been proven with scientifically verified hard evidence.
You are basically suggesting we ignore hard evidence of MIHOP in favor of focusing attention on LIHOP.
We can prove the plane came from east of the Potomac and flew north of the citgo station.
Both claims prove 9/11 was an inside job and neither is dependent on the other.
While everyone has been speculating about missiles CIT actually went there and focused on the true flight path of the plane.
This is what they have been distracting you from with bogus security video.
This is what proves 9/11 was an inside job.
So you can keep spinning your wheels and screaming about how we
have been able to be attacked or you can focus on the data that proves the entire operation was engineered.
Take your pick.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #181 on:
February 20, 2008, 05:18:13 AM »
Quote from: Craig Ranke CIT on February 17, 2008, 08:30:14 PM
The missile theory is done.
The flyover has been proven with scientifically verified hard evidence.
You are basically suggesting we ignore hard evidence of MIHOP in favor of focusing attention on LIHOP.
We can prove the plane came from east of the Potomac and flew north of the citgo station.
Both claims prove 9/11 was an inside job and neither is dependent on the other.
While everyone has been speculating about missiles CIT actually went there and focused on the true flight path of the plane.
This is what they have been distracting you from with bogus security video.
This is what proves 9/11 was an inside job.
So you can keep spinning your wheels and screaming about how we
have been able to be attacked or you can focus on the data that proves the entire operation was engineered.
Take your pick.
The flyover has been proven with scientifically verified hard evidence.--Which is exactly what again? And who and how many witnesses saw this flyover, so I can compare them to the witnesses that saw an airliner impact the pentagon.
You are basically suggesting we ignore hard evidence of MIHOP in favor of focusing attention on LIHOP. --I'm not suggesting LIHOP or MIHOP
We can prove the plane came from east of the Potomac and flew north of the citgo station. You use the word prove allot. Let's see the proof
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #182 on:
February 20, 2008, 01:35:36 PM »
Quote from: jimd3100 on February 20, 2008, 05:18:13 AM
The flyover has been proven with scientifically verified hard evidence.--Which is exactly what again? And who and how many witnesses saw this flyover, so I can compare them to the witnesses that saw an airliner impact the pentagon.
You are basically suggesting we ignore hard evidence of MIHOP in favor of focusing attention on LIHOP. --I'm not suggesting LIHOP or MIHOP
We can prove the plane came from east of the Potomac and flew north of the citgo station. You use the word prove allot. Let's see the proof
Hi Jim,
I just made a detailed post that addresses a lot of your concerns
But the primary evidence we have presented so far simply proves the plane flew on the north side of the citgo station making it impossible to be what created the physical damage.
Independent corroboration is a scientific process as most all claims can be eventually proven beyond a reasonable doubt via this method.
So while this evidence has already been presented about a year ago and is available for everyone to view for free on our website
, the new evidence we present proving the plane flew over DC skies and came from east of the river before looping around to the Pentagon will be released in a couple of days in our new presentation.
Stay tuned!
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #183 on:
February 20, 2008, 02:57:33 PM »
I recommend people read Craig's post at the location indicated above, it deals with the eye witnesss confusions very well and in great detail.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #184 on:
February 20, 2008, 05:25:06 PM »
Quote from: Craig Ranke CIT on February 20, 2008, 01:35:36 PM
Hi Jim,
I just made a detailed post that addresses a lot of your concerns
But the primary evidence we have presented so far simply proves the plane flew on the north side of the citgo station making it impossible to be what created the physical damage.
Independent corroboration is a scientific process as most all claims can be eventually proven beyond a reasonable doubt via this method.
The two pentagon police officer gave detailed interviews shortly after 9/11, that can be heard here, as you know...(number 4 and 15)
They claimed then and now, that they saw a passenger jet hit the pentagon. To say they are proof a passenger jet could not hit the pentagon is unreasonable. Officer Lagasse claims to have seen the Airliner impact the pentagon and saw lots of debris inside the building itself from an American airlines jet, including he claims an engine.
To accept that a huge passenger jet flew straight at the pentagon and then for some reason didn't impact it doesn't make much sense. Particularly when you have to create a scenario of "planted" lightpoles to explain the damage done by something.....perhaps a large jet airliner? Who was piloting this jet? If it was remote control then there is no reason to fly over the building. It makes no sense. And has no witnesses.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #185 on:
February 20, 2008, 06:51:47 PM »
A friend and I waited until Friday, after Tuesday the 11th, in September of 2001, to drive out past the Pentagon to see the damage in person. I remember it like it had happened this afternoon.
We drove out 395, got to Duke Street, took the Landmark exit, turned around, and came back. You can't see the side of the Pentagon that was hit coming from downtown very well, but you get a pretty good view of it driving north from Virginia.
As we passed the building, which was still smoking with all sorts of fire trucks and emergency vehicles covering the parking lot, my friend and I kept asking one another how on earth a plane could have hit that building going 500+ MPH and made such a small hole? Even if the wings disintegrated on impact, they should have made some kind of opening in the building. Inertia would cause plane + wings to make more of an opening, no matter how well reinforced the building was.
The hole in the side of the building was too small. I saw it in person. It doesn't add up.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #186 on:
February 20, 2008, 07:51:07 PM »
Quote from: DCHound on February 20, 2008, 06:51:47 PM
The hole in the side of the building was too small. I saw it in person. It doesn't add up.
While clearly I agree with your suspicions, the hole in the Pentagon was quite gaping and massive after the roof collapsed about 30 minutes after the event.
But yes the initial damage is rather anomalous and completely irreconcilable with the official story.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #187 on:
February 23, 2008, 10:04:11 PM »
To imagine that a group of Hajis with what is said to be limited experience could actually hit the Pentagon, and so close to the ground, is just incredible. Its just ridiculous anyone ever play Microsoft Flight Sim? From the security footage, that object was not dawdling. Even if they crashed an airliner into the Pentagon, its just so precise, and so neat, and had so little collateral damage that youd have to either a) believe in Allah and that it was divine will (but then, Allah would know to aim for the bits that actually have infidels in them) or b) there would have to be some kind of computer guidance system inside the plane.
Any pilot who can pull off a maneuver like that is worth far too much money to whoever trained him or her for them to go gallivanting off flying airplanes into buildings.
And though I hate to say it Xatom, that read far more like year 12 fiction than a transcript.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #188 on:
February 24, 2008, 04:35:57 PM »
So where did the 6 ton engines go? Mind you the 6 ton engines that didnt ever break a window?
And If a plane DID hit the pentagon, where is the over 70 cameras that caught it? Wouldnt the government just LOVE to show that film, as they did 1000000000000000000000 times for the WTC buildings?
Where did the crew and passengers go?
Well for one, look into the back round of the pilot, Im not doing all your homework for you.
AT LEAST 5 of the "hijackers" are STILL alive, so who are those people we see in airport security cameras?
CNN reported that one of the planes had landed and had bomb dogs boarding the plane as Paula Zhan reports live from the airport.
That story was taking off the air within a MIN of it airing on there website. (Ton of people SS it, easy to find)
Any other day of the year, those planes woulda been PACKED, yet on 9/11 all planes only have 25% of the plane filled for some odd reason.
Maybe none of the people listed are even real people. To this date, I never seen a family member of the pentagon crash EVER come forward. The had movies on the shanksvile crash and the WTC attacks, released phone calls from both of those events, yet NOTHING from the pentagon plane..........Based on common knowledge, SOMETHING is weird/dont add up, however you want to put it.
Not too mention, if you believe that fire, for the first time EVER in the history of mankind, brought down a building, then you better go back to school and take chemistry again. There have been HUGE buildings that burnt to the core without collapsing, yet on 9/11 3 buildings go down, 1 that wasnt even hit with anything....
If you believe the official story, after doing some homework.....you are pretty well retarded.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #189 on:
February 24, 2008, 04:54:06 PM »
Quote from: r4ng3r on February 24, 2008, 04:35:57 PM
If you believe the official story, after doing some homework.....you are pretty well retarded.
If you still a missile hit the pentagon I wouldn't be useing the word retarded. If you don't think a missile hit then what did?
I don't recall them saying they believe the official version. If you are confused and think that accepting the likely possibility that a plane crashed into the pentagon, means you accept the offical version of 9/11 I'd suggest you do some more reading.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #190 on:
February 25, 2008, 05:30:39 AM »
And as for metal magically disintegrating, TONY... 757's have metal frames, as you said!!! Metal does not just break up! You are thinking of CERAMIC! Take year 12 Engineering Studies, or even better, be so careful not to spread horrible information!!! Metal is MALLEABLE, meaning it gets tangled, wroughted, melts and pools, but it does not just turn to dust like that wreckage did!
As for your discourse on the "vertical stabilizer", IT'S CALLED CONSERVATION OF MOMENTUM! The tail would whip forward, or come to rest on the ground - what do you propose it did!?
I'm sorry mate but you've thought this out about as poorly as I'd expect a Shill to, I don't mean to say it so meanly but you have got my back up. This attack was a minor footnote in modern history's most tragic day, but by no means does it make sense to believe the 'official story'. YOU PROBABLY LOVE THIS SITE BECAUSE IT WILL SCORE YOU A PROMOTION FROM A MINDER - TRYING TO HOLD A BLUFF HAND BY FOCUSING ON MINOR DETAILS LIKE THE POLES AND THE ATTACK WHILE REMOVING FOCUS FROM WHAT REALLY HAPPENED...
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #191 on:
February 25, 2008, 08:45:22 AM »
So whatever you think happened at the pentagon, I find the actions of the leader of the pentagon the Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld to be the actions of a guilty person. What was he doing?
He was avoiding all his responsibilities until the attacks were carried out and over with.
He was pretending that the events in New York were not terrorists attacks while the rest of the world knew they were.....
"Aubrey Davis of the Pentagon police was standing outside
Donald Rumsfeld's office
on the third floor of the Pentagon's E ring. Inside, Rumsfeld, though aware that the World Trade Center towers in New York had already been hit,
was proceeding with his regularly scheduled CIA briefing. Davis, on the other hand, had concluded from watching TV news that the country was under attack and the pentagon might be a target."[/
i] page 1
Before he went to his office he was at a meeting predicting terrorist attacks against America, you'd think the WTC being hit with airplanes would awake him to the fact that his uncanny and timely prediction was happening..but I guess not......
Rumsfeld was in his office when the aircraft hit on the opposite side of the building. He had just run there after hearing of the Trade Center attack while at a meeting on missile defense in his private dining room.
U.S. Rep. Christopher Cox, R-Calif., also at the meeting, said Rumsfeld had just predicted that the United States would face another terrorist incident at some point.
"He said, 'Let me tell ya, I've been around the block a few times. There will be another event.' And he repeated it for emphasis," Cox said. "And within minutes of saying that, his words proved tragically prophetic."
While the people in the pentagon were
running away
from the impact area not even knowing what was going on and assuming bombs were going off, Rumsfeld didn't seem to think there was a need to be concerned with that and went the opposite direction toward the damage..gosh isn't he brave?.....
"Down the hall someone ran out of a vip dining room screaming "They're bombing the building, they're bombing the building." ....Thick crowds of Pentagon staff, in and out of uniform, were hurrying past in the
opposite direction
......Rumsfeld set off again without a word, ignoring Davis's protestations that they should turn back"
He then proceeded to f**k with evidence while making very astute observations...
"The secretary picked up one of the pieces of metal. I was telling him he shouldn't be interfering with a crime scene, when he looked at some inscription on it and said, "American Airlines"
page 2
While the military command center were frantically trying to contact their leader he decided to go back in his office to have a private chat on the phone with another leader who put someone else in charge that day...President Bush. Gee, I wonder what they were talking about? I guess it doesn't really matter since they don't seem to remember themselves.....
Rumsfeld was back in the building by ten o'clock, but despite the anxious pleas from the military, he did not go to the command center. Instead, he headed for his office,
where he spoke to President Bush, though afterward neither man could recall what they discussed."[/
b] page 5
When the 9/11 attacks were over and done with he finally go down to business..."Rumsfeld, once he had
settled into his place at the command center, got to work on the "Rules of engagement" for the fighter pilots. This was an irrelevant exercise for he
did not complete and issue them until 1:00
p.m. hours after the last hijacker had died."
page 7
Since these actions seem a tad suspicious and the Anthrax that was mailed a week later clearly came from the U.S. military, maybe a good way to get information from Rummy would be to use what he considers a good way to get information from Arabs. Make him wear panties on his head, and engage in homosexual sex acts while capturing it all on film.......
The Gray Zone
By Seymour M. Hersh
The New Yorker
Saturday 15 May 2004
How a secret Pentagon program came to Abu Ghraib
The roots of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal lie not in the criminal inclinations of a few Army reservists but in a decision, approved last year by
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
, to expand a highly secret operation, which had been focussed on the hunt for Al Qaeda, to the interrogation of prisoners in Iraq. Rumsfeld's decision embittered the American intelligence community, damaged the effectiveness of élite combat units, and hurt America's prospects in the war on terror.
According to interviews with several past and present American intelligence officials, the Pentagon's operation, known inside the intelligence community by several code words, including Copper Green, encouraged physical coercion and
sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners
in an effort to generate more intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq. A senior C.I.A. official, in confirming the details of this account last week, said that the operation stemmed from Rumsfeld's long-standing desire to wrest control of America's clandestine and paramilitary operations from the C.I.A.
Rumsfeld, during appearances last week before Congress to testify about Abu Ghraib, was precluded by law from explicitly mentioning highly secret matters in an unclassified session. But he conveyed the message that he was telling the public all that he knew about the story. He said, "Any suggestion that there is not a full, deep awareness of what has happened, and the damage it has done, I think, would be a misunderstanding."
The senior C.I.A. official, asked about Rumsfeld's testimony and that of Stephen Cambone, his Under-Secretary for Intelligence, said, "Some people think you can bullshit anyone."
The Abu Ghraib story began, in a sense, just weeks after the September 11, 2001, attacks, with the American bombing of Afghanistan. Almost from the start, the Administration's search for Al Qaeda members in the war zone, and its worldwide search for terrorists, came up against major command-and-control problems. For example, combat forces that had Al Qaeda targets in sight had to obtain legal clearance before firing on them. On October 7th, the night the bombing began, an unmanned Predator aircraft tracked an automobile convoy that, American intelligence believed, contained Mullah Muhammad Omar, the Taliban leader. A lawyer on duty at the United States Central Command headquarters, in Tampa, Florida, refused to authorize a strike. By the time an attack was approved, the target was out of reach. Rumsfeld was apoplectic over what he saw as a self-defeating hesitation to attack that was due to political correctness. One officer described him to me that fall as "kicking a lot of glass and breaking doors." In November, the Washington Post reported that, as many as ten times since early October, Air Force pilots believed they'd had senior Al Qaeda and Taliban members in their sights but had been unable to act in time because of legalistic hurdles. There were similar problems throughout the world, as American Special Forces units seeking to move quickly against suspected terrorist cells were compelled to get prior approval from local American ambassadors and brief their superiors in the chain of command.
Rumsfeld reacted in his usual direct fashion: he authorized the establishment of a highly secret program that was given blanket advance approval to kill or capture and, if possible, interrogate "high value" targets in the Bush Administration's war on terror. A special-access program, or sap-subject to the Defense Department's most stringent level of security-was set up, with an office in a secure area of the Pentagon. The program would recruit operatives and acquire the necessary equipment, including aircraft, and would keep its activities under wraps. America's most successful intelligence operations during the Cold War had been saps, including the Navy's submarine penetration of underwater cables used by the Soviet high command and construction of the Air Force's stealth bomber. All the so-called "black" programs had one element in common: the Secretary of Defense, or his deputy, had to conclude that the normal military classification restraints did not provide enough security.
"Rumsfeld's goal was to get a capability in place to take on a high-value target-a standup group to hit quickly," a former high-level intelligence official told me. "He got all the agencies together-the C.I.A. and the N.S.A.-to get pre-approval in place. Just say the code word and go." The operation had across-the-board approval from Rumsfeld and from Condoleezza Rice, the national-security adviser. President Bush was informed of the existence of the program, the former intelligence official said.
The people assigned to the program worked by the book, the former intelligence official told me. They created code words, and recruited, after careful screening, highly trained commandos and operatives from America's élite forces-Navy seals, the Army's Delta Force, and the C.I.A.'s paramilitary experts. They also asked some basic questions: "Do the people working the problem have to use aliases? Yes. Do we need dead drops for the mail? Yes. No traceability and no budget. And some special-access programs are never fully briefed to Congress."
In theory, the operation enabled the Bush Administration to respond immediately to time-sensitive intelligence: commandos crossed borders without visas and could interrogate terrorism suspects deemed too important for transfer to the military's facilities at Guantánamo, Cuba. They carried out instant interrogations-using force if necessary-at secret C.I.A. detention centers scattered around the world. The intelligence would be relayed to the sap command center in the Pentagon in real time, and sifted for those pieces of information critical to the "white," or overt, world.
Fewer than two hundred operatives and officials, including
Rumsfeld and General Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
, were "completely read into the program," the former intelligence official said. The goal was to keep the operation protected. "We're not going to read more people than necessary into our heart of darkness," he said. "The rules are 'Grab whom you must. Do what you want.'"
One Pentagon official who was deeply involved in the program was
Stephen Cambone, who was named Under-Secretary of Defense for Intelligence in March, 2003. The office was new; it was created as part of Rumsfeld's reorganization of the Pentagon
. Cambone was unpopular among military and civilian intelligence bureaucrats in the Pentagon, essentially because he had little experience in running intelligence programs, though in 1998 he had served as staff director for a committee, headed by Rumsfeld, that warned of an emerging ballistic-missile threat to the United States. He was known instead for his closeness to Rumsfeld. "Remember Henry II-'Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?'" the senior C.I.A. official said to me, with a laugh, last week. "Whatever Rumsfeld whimsically says, Cambone will do ten times that much."
Cambone was a strong advocate for war against Iraq. He shared Rumsfeld's disdain for the analysis and assessments proffered by the C.I.A., viewing them as too cautious, and chafed, as did Rumsfeld, at the C.I.A.'s inability, before the Iraq war, to state conclusively that Saddam Hussein harbored weapons of mass destruction. Cambone's military assistant, Army Lieutenant General William G. (Jerry) Boykin, was also controversial. Last fall, he generated unwanted headlines after it was reported that, in a speech at an Oregon church, he equated the Muslim world with Satan.
Early in his tenure, Cambone provoked a bureaucratic battle within the Pentagon by insisting that he be given control of all special-access programs that were relevant to the war on terror. Those programs, which had been viewed by many in the Pentagon as sacrosanct, were monitored by Kenneth deGraffenreid, who had experience in counter-intelligence programs. Cambone got control, and deGraffenreid subsequently left the Pentagon. Asked for comment on this story, a Pentagon spokesman said, "I will not discuss any covert programs; however, Dr. Cambone did not assume his position as the Under-Secretary of Defense for Intelligence until March 7, 2003, and had no involvement in the decision-making process regarding interrogation procedures in Iraq or anywhere else."
In mid-2003, the special-access program was regarded in the Pentagon as one of the success stories of the war on terror. "It was an active program," the former intelligence official told me. "It's been the most important capability we have for dealing with an imminent threat. If we discover where Osama bin Laden is, we can get him. And we can remove an existing threat with a real capability to hit the United States-and do so without visibility." Some of its methods were troubling and could not bear close scrutiny, however.
By then, the war in Iraq had begun. The sap was involved in some assignments in Iraq, the former official said. C.I.A. and other American Special Forces operatives secretly teamed up to hunt for Saddam Hussein and-without success-for Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. But they weren't able to stop the evolving insurgency.
In the first months after the fall of Baghdad, Rumsfeld and his aides still had a limited view of the insurgency, seeing it as little more than the work of Baathist "dead-enders," criminal gangs, and foreign terrorists who were Al Qaeda followers. The Administration measured its success in the war by how many of those on its list of the fifty-five most wanted members of the old regime-reproduced on playing cards-had been captured. Then, in August, 2003, terror bombings in Baghdad hit the Jordanian Embassy, killing nineteen people, and the United Nations headquarters, killing twenty-three people, including Sergio Vieira de Mello, the head of the U.N. mission. On August 25th, less than a week after the U.N. bombing, Rumsfeld acknowledged, in a talk before the Veterans of Foreign Wars, that "the dead-enders are still with us." He went on,
"There are some today who are surprised that there are still pockets of resistance in Iraq, and they suggest that this represents some sort of failure on the part of the Coalition. But this is not the case."
Rumsfeld compared the insurgents with those true believers who "fought on during and after the defeat of the Nazi regime in Germany." A few weeks later-and five months after the fall of Baghdad-the Defense Secretary declared,"It is, in my view, better to be dealing with terrorists in Iraq than in the United States."
Inside the Pentagon, there was a growing realization that the war was going badly. The increasingly beleaguered and baffled Army leadership was telling reporters that the insurgents consisted of five thousand Baathists loyal to Saddam Hussein. "When you understand that they're organized in a cellular structure," General John Abizaid, the head of the Central Command, declared, "that . . . they have access to a lot of money and a lot of ammunition, you'll understand how dangerous they are."
The American military and intelligence communities were having little success in penetrating the insurgency. One internal report prepared for the U.S. military, made available to me, concluded that the insurgents'"strategic and operational intelligence has proven to be quite good." According to the study:
"Their ability to attack convoys, other vulnerable targets and particular individuals has been the result of painstaking surveillance and reconnaissance. Inside information has been passed on to insurgent cells about convoy/troop movements and daily habits of Iraqis working with coalition from within the Iraqi security services, primarily the Iraqi Police force which is rife with sympathy for the insurgents, Iraqi ministries and from within pro-insurgent individuals working with the CPA's so-called Green Zone."
The study concluded, "Politically, the U.S. has failed to date. Insurgencies can be fixed or ameliorated by dealing with what caused them in the first place. The disaster that is the reconstruction of Iraq has been the key cause of the insurgency. There is no legitimate government, and it behooves the Coalition Provisional Authority to absorb the sad but unvarnished fact that most Iraqis do not see the Governing Council"-the Iraqi body appointed by the C.P.A.-"as the legitimate authority. Indeed, they know that the true power is the CPA."
By the fall, a military analyst told me, the extent of the Pentagon's political and military misjudgments was clear. Donald Rumsfeld's "dead-enders" now included not only Baathists but many marginal figures as well-thugs and criminals who were among the tens of thousands of prisoners freed the previous fall by Saddam as part of a prewar general amnesty. Their desperation was not driving the insurgency; it simply made them easy recruits for those who were. The analyst said, "We'd killed and captured guys who had been given two or three hundred dollars to 'pray and spray'"-that is, shoot randomly and hope for the best. "They weren't really insurgents but down-and-outers who were paid by wealthy individuals sympathetic to the insurgency." In many cases, the paymasters were Sunnis who had been members of the Baath Party. The analyst said that the insurgents "spent three or four months figuring out how we operated and developing their own countermeasures. If that meant putting up a hapless guy to go and attack a convoy and see how the American troops responded, they'd do it." Then, the analyst said, "the clever ones began to get in on the action."
By contrast, according to the military report, the American and Coalition forces knew little about the insurgency: "Human intelligence is poor or lacking . . . due to the dearth of competence and expertise. . . . The intelligence effort is not coördinated since either too many groups are involved in gathering intelligence or the final product does not get to the troops in the field in a timely manner." The success of the war was at risk; something had to be done to change the dynamic.
The solution, endorsed by Rumsfeld and carried out by Stephen Cambone, was to get tough with those Iraqis in the Army prison system who were suspected of being insurgents. A key player was
Major General Geoffrey Miller, the commander of the detention and interrogation center at Guantánamo, who had been summoned to Baghdad in late August to review prison interrogation procedures. The internal Army report on the abuse charges, written by Major General Antonio Taguba in February, revealed that Miller urged that the commanders in Baghdad change policy and place military intelligence in charge of the prison. The report quoted Miller as recommending that "detention operations must act as an enabler for interrogation."
Miller's concept, as it emerged in recent Senate hearings, was to
"Gitmoize" the prison system in Iraq-to make it more focussed on interrogation.
He also briefed military commanders in Iraq on the interrogation methods used in Cuba-methods that could, with special approval, include sleep deprivation, exposure to extremes of cold and heat, and placing prisoners in "stress positions" for agonizing lengths of time. (The Bush Administration had unilaterally declared Al Qaeda and other captured members of international terrorist networks to be illegal combatants, and not eligible for the protection of the Geneva Conventions.)
Rumsfeld and Cambone went a step further, however: they expanded the scope of the sap, bringing its unconventional methods to Abu Ghraib. The commandos were to operate in Iraq as they had in Afghanistan. The male prisoners could be treated roughly, and exposed to sexual humiliation.
"They weren't getting anything substantive from the detainees in Iraq," the former intelligence official told me. "No names. Nothing that they could hang their hat on. Cambone says, I've got to crack this thing and I'm tired of working through the normal chain of command. I've got this apparatus set up-the black special-access program-and I'm going in hot. So he pulls the switch, and the electricity begins flowing last summer. And it's working. We're getting a picture of the insurgency in Iraq and the intelligence is flowing into the white world. We're getting good stuff. But we've got more targets"-prisoners in Iraqi jails-"than people who can handle them."
Cambone then made another crucial decision, the former intelligence official told me: not only would he bring the sap's rules into the prisons; he would bring some of the Army military-intelligence officers working inside the Iraqi prisons under the sap'sauspices. "So here are fundamentally good soldiers-military-intelligence guys-being told that no rules apply," the former official, who has extensive knowledge of the special-access programs, added.
"And, as far as they're concerned, this is a covert operation, and it's to be kept within Defense Department channels."
The military-police prison guards, the former official said, included "recycled hillbillies from Cumberland, Maryland." He was referring to members of the 372nd Military Police Company. Seven members of the company are now facing charges for their role in the abuse at Abu Ghraib. "How are these guys from Cumberland going to know anything? The Army Reserve doesn't know what it's doing."
Who was in charge of Abu Ghraib-whether military police or military intelligence-was no longer the only question that mattered.
Hard-core special operatives, some of them with aliases, were working in the prison.
The military police assigned to guard the prisoners wore uniforms, but many others-military intelligence officers, contract interpreters, C.I.A. officers, and the men from the special-access program-wore civilian clothes. It was not clear who was who, even to Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, then the commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade, and the officer ostensibly in charge. "I thought most of the civilians there were interpreters, but there were some civilians that I didn't know," Karpinski told me. "I called them the disappearing ghosts. I'd seen them once in a while at Abu Ghraib and then I'd see them months later. They were nice-they'd always call out to me and say, 'Hey, remember me? How are you doing?'" The mysterious civilians, she said, were "always bringing in somebody for interrogation or waiting to collect somebody going out." Karpinski added that she had no idea who was operating in her prison system. (General Taguba found that Karpinski's leadership failures contributed to the abuses.)
By fall, according to the former intelligence official, the senior leadership of the
C.I.A. had had enough. "They said, 'No way. We signed up for the core program in Afghanistan-pre-approved for operations against high-value terrorist targets-and now you want to use it for cabdrivers, brothers-in-law, and people pulled off the streets'"
-the sort of prisoners who populate the Iraqi jails. "The C.I.A.'s legal people objected," and the agency ended its sap involvement in Abu Ghraib, the former official said.
The C.I.A.'s complaints were echoed throughout the intelligence community. There was fear that the situation at Abu Ghraib would lead to the exposure of the secret sap, and thereby bring an end to what had been, before Iraq, a valuable cover operation. "This was stupidity," a government consultant told me. "You're taking a program that was operating in the chaos of Afghanistan against Al Qaeda, a stateless terror group, and bringing it into a structured, traditional war zone. Sooner or later, the commandos would bump into the legal and moral procedures of a conventional war with an Army of a hundred and thirty-five thousand soldiers."
The former senior intelligence official blamed
hubris for the Abu Ghraib disaster
. "There's nothing more exhilarating for a pissant Pentagon civilian than dealing with an important national security issue without dealing with military planners, who are always worried about risk," he told me. "What could be more boring than needing the coöperation of logistical planners?" The only difficulty, the former official added, is that, "as soon as you enlarge the secret program beyond the oversight capability of experienced people, you lose control. We've never had a case where a special-access program went sour-and this goes back to the Cold War."
In a separate interview, a Pentagon consultant, who spent much of his career directly involved with special-access programs, spread the blame. "The White House subcontracted this to the Pentagon, and the Pentagon subcontracted it to Cambone," he said. "This is Cambone's deal, but Rumsfeld and Myers approved the program." When it came to the interrogation operation at Abu Ghraib, he said, Rumsfeld left the details to Cambone. Rumsfeld may not be personally culpable, the consultant added, "but he's responsible for the checks and balances. The issue is that, since 9/11, we've changed the rules on how we deal with terrorism, and created conditions where the ends justify the means."
Last week, statements made by one of the seven accused M.P.s, Specialist Jeremy Sivits, who is expected to plead guilty, were released. In them, he claimed that senior commanders in his unit would have stopped the abuse had they witnessed it. One of the questions that will be explored at any trial, however, is why a group of Army Reserve military policemen, most of them from small towns, tormented their prisoners as they did, in a manner that was especially humiliating for Iraqi men.
The notion that Arabs are particularly vulnerable to sexual humiliation became a talking point among pro-war Washington conservatives in the months before the March, 2003, invasion of Iraq.
One book that was
frequently cited was "The Arab Mind," a study of Arab culture and psychology, first published in 1973, by Raphael Patai, a cultural anthropologist who taught at, among other universities, Columbia and Princeton, and who died in 1996. The book includes a twenty-five-page chapter on Arabs and sex, depicting sex as a taboo vested with shame and repression. "The segregation of the sexes, the veiling of the women . . . and all the other minute rules that govern and restrict contact between men and women, have the effect of making sex a prime mental preoccupation in the Arab world," Patai wrote. Homosexual activity, "or any indication of homosexual leanings, as with all other expressions of sexuality, is never given any publicity. These are private affairs and remain in private." The Patai book, an academic told me, was "the bible of the neocons on Arab behavior." In their discussions, he said, two themes emerged-"one, that Arabs only understand force and, two, that the biggest weakness of Arabs is shame and humiliation."
The government consultant said that there may have been a serious goal, in the beginning, behind the sexual humiliation and the posed photographs.
It was thought that some prisoners would do anything-including spying on their associates-to avoid dissemination of the shameful photos to family and friends. The government consultant said, "I was told that the purpose of the photographs was to create an army of informants, people you could insert back in the population."
The idea was that they would be motivated by fear of exposure, and gather information about pending insurgency action, the consultant said. If so, it wasn't effective; the insurgency continued to grow.
"This shit has been brewing for months," the Pentagon consultant who has dealt with saps told me. "You don't keep prisoners naked in their cell and then let them get bitten by dogs. This is sick." The consultant explained that he and his colleagues, all of whom had served for years on active duty in the military, had been appalled by the misuse of Army guard dogs inside Abu Ghraib. "We don't raise kids to do things like that. When you go after Mullah Omar, that's one thing. But when you give the authority to kids who don't know the rules, that's another."
In 2003, Rumsfeld's apparent disregard for the requirements of the Geneva Conventions while carrying out the war on terror had led a group of senior military legal officers from the Judge Advocate General's (jag) Corps to pay two surprise visits within five months to Scott Horton, who was then chairman of the New York City Bar Association's Committee on International Human Rights. "They wanted us to challenge the Bush Administration about its standards for detentions and interrogation," Horton told me. "They were urging us to get involved and speak in a very loud voice. It came pretty much out of the blue. The message was that conditions are ripe for abuse, and it's going to occur." The military officials were most alarmed about the growing use of civilian contractors in the interrogation process, Horton recalled. "They said there was an atmosphere of legal ambiguity being created as a result of a policy decision at the highest levels in the Pentagon. The jag officers were being cut out of the policy formulation process." They told him that, with the war on terror, a fifty-year history of exemplary application of the Geneva Conventions had come to an end.
The abuses at
Abu Ghraib were exposed on January 13th
, when Joseph Darby, a young military policeman assigned to Abu Ghraib, reported the wrongdoing to the Army's Criminal Investigations Division. He also turned over a CD full of photographs.
Within three days, a report made its way to Donald Rumsfeld, who informed President Bush.
The inquiry presented a dilemma for the Pentagon. The C.I.D. had to be allowed to continue, the former intelligence official said.
"You can't cover it up. You have to prosecute these guys for being off the reservation. But how do you prosecute them when they were covered by the special-access program?
So you hope that maybe it'll go away." The Pentagon's attitude last January, he said, was "Somebody got caught with some photos. What's the big deal? Take care of it." Rumsfeld's explanation to the White House, the official added, was reassuring: "'We've got a glitch in the program. We'll prosecute it.'
The cover story was that some kids got out of control
In their testimony before Congress last week, Rumsfeld and Cambone struggled to convince the legislators that Miller's visit to Baghdad in late August had nothing to do with the subsequent abuse. Cambone sought to assure the Senate Armed Services Committee that the interplay between Miller and Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, had only a casual connection to his office. Miller's recommendations, Cambone said, were made to Sanchez. His own role, he said, was mainly to insure that the "flow of intelligence back to the commands" was "efficient and effective." He added that Miller's goal was "to provide a safe, secure and humane environment that supports the expeditious collection of intelligence."
It was a hard sell. Senator Hillary Clinton, Democrat of New York, posed the essential question facing the senators:
"If, indeed, General Miller was sent from Guantánamo to Iraq for the purpose of acquiring more actionable intelligence from detainees, then it is fair to conclude that the actions that are at point here in your report [on abuses at Abu Ghraib] are in some way connected to General Miller's arrival and his specific orders, however they were interpreted, by those MPs and the military intelligence that were involved.... Therefore, I for one don't believe I yet have adequate information from Mr. Cambone and the Defense Department as to exactly what General Miller's orders were . . . how he carried out those orders, and the connection between his arrival in the fall of '03 and the intensity of the abuses that occurred afterward."
Sometime before the Abu Ghraib abuses became public, the former intelligence official told me, Miller was "read in"-that is, briefed-on the special-access operation. In April, Miller returned to Baghdad to assume control of the Iraqi prisons; once the scandal hit, with its glaring headlines, General Sanchez presented him to the American and international media as the general who would clean up the Iraqi prison system and instill respect for the Geneva Conventions. "His job is to save what he can," the former official said. "He's there to protect the program while limiting any loss of core capability." As for Antonio Taguba, the former intelligence official added, "He goes into it not knowing shit. And then: 'Holy cow! What's going on?'"
If General Miller had been summoned by Congress to testify, he, like Rumsfeld and Cambone, would not have been able to mention the special-access program. "If you give away the fact that a special-access program exists,"the former intelligence official told me, "you blow the whole quick-reaction program."
One puzzling aspect of Rumsfeld's account of his initial reaction to news of the Abu Ghraib investigation was his lack of alarm and lack of curiosity
. One factor may have been recent history: there had been many previous complaints of prisoner abuse from organization like Human Rights Watch and the International Red Cross, and the Pentagon had weathered them with ease.
Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee that he had not been provided with details of alleged abuses until late March, when he read the specific charges
. "You read it, as I say, it's one thing. You see these photographs and it's just unbelievable. . . . It wasn't three-dimensional. It wasn't video. It wasn't color. It was quite a different thing." The former intelligence official said that, in his view, Rumsfeld and other senior Pentagon officials had not studied the photographs because
"they thought what was in there was permitted under the rules of engagement,"
as applied to the sap. "The photos," he added, "turned out to be the result of the program run amok."
The former intelligence official made it clear that he was not alleging that Rumsfeld or General Myers knew that atrocities were committed. But, he said, "it was their permission granted to do the sap, generically, and there was enough ambiguity, which permitted the abuses."
This official went on, "The black guys"-those in the Pentagon's secret program-"say we've got to accept the prosecution. They're vaccinated from the reality." The sap is still active, and "the United States is picking up guys for interrogation. The question is, how do they protect the quick-reaction force without blowing its cover?" The program was protected by the fact that no one on the outside was allowed to know of its existence. "If you even give a hint that you're aware of a black program that you're not read into, you lose your clearances," the former official said. "Nobody will talk.
So the only people left to prosecute are those who are undefended-the poor kids at the end of the food chain."
The most vulnerable senior official is Cambone. "The Pentagon is trying now to protect Cambone, and doesn't know how to do it," the former intelligence official said.
Last week, the government consultant, who has close ties to many conservatives, defended the Administration's continued secrecy about the special-access program in Abu Ghraib. "Why keep it black?" the consultant asked.
"Because the process is unpleasant. It's like making sausage-you like the result but you don't want to know how it was made. Also, you don't want the Iraqi public, and the Arab world, to know. Remember, we went to Iraq to democratize the Middle East. The last thing you want to do is let the Arab world know how you treat Arab males in prison."
The former intelligence official told me he feared that one of the disastrous effects of the prison-abuse scandal would be the undermining of legitimate operations in the war on terror, which had already suffered from the draining of resources into Iraq. He portrayed Abu Ghraib as "a tumor" on the war on terror. He said, "As long as it's benign and contained, the Pentagon can deal with the photo crisis without jeopardizing the secret program. As soon as it begins to grow, with nobody to diagnose it-it becomes a malignant tumor."
The Pentagon consultant made a similar point. Cambone and his superiors, the consultant said, "created the conditions that allowed transgressions to take place. And now we're going to end up with another Church Commission"-the 1975 Senate committee on intelligence, headed by Senator Frank Church, of Idaho, which investigated C.I.A. abuses during the previous two decades. Abu Ghraib had sent the message that the Pentagon leadership was unable to handle its discretionary power. "When the shit hits the fan, as it did on 9/11, how do you push the pedal?" the consultant asked. "You do it selectively and with intelligence."
"Congress is going to get to the bottom of this," the Pentagon consultant said. "You have to demonstrate that there are checks and balances in the system." He added, "When you live in a world of gray zones, you have to have very clear red lines."
Senator John McCain, of Arizona, said, "If this is true, it certainly increases the dimension of this issue and deserves significant scrutiny. I will do all possible to get to the bottom of this, and all other allegations
"In an odd way," Kenneth Roth, the executive director of Human Rights Watch, said, "
the sexual abuses at Abu Ghraib have become a diversion for the prisoner abuse and the violation of the Geneva Conventions that is authorized
." Since September 11th, Roth added, the military has systematically used third-degree techniques around the world on detainees. "Some jags hate this and are horrified that the tolerance of mistreatment will come back and haunt us in the next war," Roth told me.
"We're giving the world a ready-made excuse to ignore the Geneva Conventions. Rumsfeld has lowered the bar."
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
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February 25, 2008, 02:59:05 PM »
So whatever you think happened at the pentagon, I find the actions of the leader of the pentagon the Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld to be the actions of a guilty person. What was he doing?
He was avoiding all his responsibilities until the attacks were carried out and over with.
He was pretending that the events in New York were not terrorists attacks while the rest of the world knew they were.....
thank you for the reminder there Jimd - Rumsfeld - GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
Reply #193 on:
February 27, 2008, 05:39:46 PM »
Who Started the missile hit the pentagon theory?
Was it Loose change with their earlier movies?
Was it some misguided 9/11 truther?
It was the Secretary of defense
Donald Rumsfeld!
Huh? Yea that's right. It goes like this...
Just after the attacks of 9/11 in early Oct a webpage was put up by French author Thierry Meyssan, in which he had pictures of the recently damaged pentagon and was asking where is the plane? Then a few days later on
Oct 12th 2001
to be exact Donald Rumsfeld made the following comment to be published in parade magazine...."Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and
the missile to damage this building
and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center.
This was immediately jumped on by Meyssan who then wrote a book, and a follow up book, bestsellers, and changed the name of the webpage to "Hunt the Boeing" and the "missile hit pentagon" theory was off and running.
Fooling many even unto this day
The Loose change crew seems to have finally wised up to this deliberate attempt(and successfull I might add)to discredit the truth movement, just as it was getting started, check out their latest release here..or even better buy it at infowars....
the "9/11 was an inside job" crowd was pretty small then, and much to his credit the first 9/11 was an inside job guy there was
didn't fall for it
, his name is Alex Jones.
So what happens later? A few years later Parade magazine had a
hit piece
on 9/11 truth and said these "crazy" rumours are stuff they know about first hand since that was all started by a "mistranslation" in their article. This was put out just a few weeks before the 2004 election. Well then, why doesn't the pentagon correct this mis-translation since the quote I linked to him saying it is from their website?
So later we have this video further "proving" to the "truthers" that whatever hit the pentagon certainly wasn't a passenger plane.
The person in the video tells you what he did in the Army. What he doesn't mention is that he is in the Army intelligence hall of fame, is former head of Army Intelligence, and helped set up the homeland security infrastructure.
He's no 9/11 truther
. Who is he
working for? I'll give you a hint, Sec of Defense is head of the Army, the guy in the video is retired head of Army Intelligence.
Don't keep falling for their DisInfo BS!
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Re: '9/11 attacks made up, ' says French best actress Oscar-winner
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March 05, 2008, 01:46:26 PM »
I loaded Fuel and Cargo for Delta airlines in 1993 to 1998 in Atlanta, 2nd shift. I can definitley tell you that no plane of 757 ever hit US Pentagon none. I also weld such Aluminum 6061-T6 which is used mostly by Boeing to build such aircraft and the blades and engines could withstand at least 3000 degrees for one hour ..none were found...Luminates and other creeps whjo knew of 9/11 set this up....They thought the media could keep shoving this down our throats and we would eat it...Most people
woudl accept this Demonic Govern shooting thier mothers and do nothing. Now they are screwing everyone with Gasoline at the pump. Not for long as I have decided to investigate NGV Honda Civics . NGV is Natural Gas Vehicles which one can buy only in Calif now but why has this screwed up Govt. not pushed them all over USA??? ::)OIL $$$$$$$$$$
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
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March 07, 2008, 08:11:58 PM »
It appears that the Pentagon problem is about deception... from the Pentagon itself. Some engineering genius orchestrated the fly-over at the precise time the missile was to hit. This was brilliantly planned... and constitues a mutiny (counter-hi-jacking) against Rockefeller's 911 "big event," turning it into the 911 "big blunder." (they even made Cheney think he was commanding a pentagon target plane.) The neocons have been scattering ever since trying to patch back together the original plan. (United 93 was also counter-hijacked.) This is my theory... that the globalists' great plan was foiled from within... hence all the confusing planted evidence and counter-evidence.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
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March 21, 2008, 08:19:29 AM »
Can some of the experts on 9/11 PLEASE help me out in this debate?
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
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I haven't read this whole thread, but I'll say I've put alot of thought into what happened at the Pentagon that day.
Forgive me if someone else has already put this out there.
Flight 77 allegedly hit the Pentagon at 9:37AM. I say it didn't. Here's what I say happened.
My theory is that a Global Hawk(From Andrews Air Force Base) smashed into the Pentagon. A Global Hawk has a wingspan of 162 feet. You'll notice if you look at all the pictures that there is wingspan damage to the building. A Global Hawk(Rolls Royce engine equipped with an AE 3007H turbofan) can fly low and cruise at just over 400mph. FYI: When an aircraft(note the Global Hawk is made mostly from light composites, the wings being carbon fiber) smashes into an object at 400MPH, the wings shatter. It is also armed with a missile(which may/may've not been fired at the Pentagon. Some witnesses heard two explosions) The Honeywell engine turbine matches perfectly(3-4 ft. in diameter) to one found in a Global Hawk.
You can use the man in the picture as perspective to get the 3-4ft. figure. It's been reported from a 757 engine manufacturer that due to its size the only part on a 757 that part could come from is from the APU(located in the tail section) however he also added that the part in the picture came from no 757. The part
from a Rolls Royce engine, though. There was landing gear found(Global Hawks have landing gears) and there was also a wheel found. Now... the wheel
did appear to be from a 757 and not from a Global Hawk. We have to assume that the wheel was planted there.
Samuel Danner is 53 years old and has been a pilot since the age of 16.
He got a good view of the plane's approach, for a duration of at least three seconds. He says that the plane was not a 757, no way.
"It was like a humpback whale" he says. Size of a gulfstream 300, about 100 ft wingspan, one engine on the backside with a "V" tail and no windows he could see.
Okay... more stuff about Flight 77. Check out the ATC radar that would suggest that Flight 77 appears west of Ohio at 9:25AM.
If you type "Cleveland Airport Mystery" into the search engine, you'll see that two planes made emergency landings at Cleveland Hopkins airport the morning of 9/11. Note the times both planes landed are later than the time Flight 77 dropped off the radar and then allegedly hit the Pentagon.
It would make sense, given the flight path of Flight 77, that Flight 77 is much more likely to have been "Flight X" at Cleveland Hopkins than the plane that allegedly hit the Pentagon.
To account for reports that people saw a 757, my guess is that a 757 flew just over the Pentagon, as the Global Hawk flew into the Pentagon, and landed at Reagan Airport.
If you've watched PentaCon, you know from eyewitnesses that the actual path of the 757 was from north of the citgo station, NOT south of the citgo station. This supports the diagram that shows the 757 actually landing at Reagan.
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March 21, 2008, 11:03:45 AM »
Quote from: phatbob426 on March 21, 2008, 10:06:33 AM
My theory is that a Global Hawk(From Andrews Air Force Base) smashed into the Pentagon.
Read the following link which explains why the engine parts found match a 757.
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A Global Hawk has a wingspan of 162 feet.
The wingspan of a global hawk is 116 feet, and that puts into question whether or not that's wide enough to clip all of the lightpoles. Not to mention the fact that a circular object the size of 757 engine on the starboard side left a trail of physical evidence as it cut through a tree, some aluminum posts, a fence, and a generator. Let me know if you need to see those pictures.
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Re: Pentagon: What happened on 9/11
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If you've watched PentaCon, you know from eyewitnesses that the actual path of the 757 was from north of the citgo station, NOT south of the citgo station.
Actually if you watched the pentacon, you've wasted moments of your life you'll never get back. I'll take Jim Hoffmans' research over BS artists any day.
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"But we will go to the ends of the Earth to see justice is done," he said.
US family disputes Singapore in son's death
Singapore says man committed suicide, family alleges foul play
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