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Wootalyzer's Pricing Post! - The price of today's woot item is saved here for future reference------------------------------------------------------------SiliconDust Dual HD Digital Tuner$69.99 + $5 ShippingCondition: New*DISCLAIMER* Wootalyzer! is in no way affiliated with Woot!, and this post may not always be here!
Been a while, so... The SiliconDust website.
Here is a video explanation from newegg
The real CNET review: http://reviews.cnet.com/video-players-and-recorders/silicondust-hdhomerun-dual/4505-6463_7-35112434.html?tag=similar;bingo.1
ashliz8806 wrote:Going to a Wizards game and being disappointed is like going swimming and getting wet...If you didn't expect it, I'm not sure I trust your judgment.
Seems like a really great way to save some money!!
Does it come with dust?
Sells for $99 on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/SiliconDust-HDHomeRun-Definition-Television-HDHR3-US/dp/B004HO58SO The reviews there look really good too.. 4 1/2 star average with just under 100 reviews..
So, could I fire Comcast Cable TV with this and still get programming on the computer? Edit: Thanks for that CNET link, looks like you can only get unencrypted programming. Need Comedy Central :-(
Great reviews on Amazon Seems to work with Mythtv Mfr page shows compatibility with:
dammit just bought one for $30 more than this, still worth every penny. had an original one for 6 years before i broke it. this thing is really small, but effective ATSC tuner for all your networked devices. Also does unencrypted QAM over your cable lines if you get crappy reception. silicon dust has the best customer service and a great community behind this product
Something about that little red light made me think that woot was selling Portal turrets for a moment.
Does it work when you need a digital adapter just to watch tv? I have comcast. Just plugging in your tv into the wall doesn't work anymore.
So, it won't work with encrypted channels. That leaves what? The Home Shopping Network. WOOT!
XBMC (formerly Xbox Media Center) is my favorite free media/home theater server. XBMC natively supports HD Homerun Devices and works great. If you need help with XBMC HD Homerun setup check here.
I am using one of these now, and they are great. These are primarily designed for use with OTA signals, but they will tune in non-encrypted QAM channels from digital cable. Meaning it will NOT replace your cable box. You would be looking for the HDHomeRunner Prime and a cable card for that. A Comparison Guide for the HDHomeRun Product Line may also be helpful.
Product site: http://www.silicondust.com/products/models/hdhr3-us/ Decent price here on woot!
This might be awesome... if there were any shows left on TV that I watch anymore.
Yes, it will work with the new digital basic cable requirements, IF your cable provider broadcasts these signals in clear QAM. If your basic cable channels are encrypted, this is not for you - you need a device that accepts a cable card. This device will definitely receive LOCAL broadcast channels over the air and through your cable provider - cable companies are required to transmit the local channels in the clear with QAM modulation. It may or may not receive other cable channels though - check with your provider to see if they broadcast your favorite channels in clear QAM or not. Oh, and it won't receive analog channels.
If this was first connected to the little digital box from Comcast, could I get all the digi-cable channels I know get (vs. only the OTA channels, which are basically the 4 big networks)?
ILGal wrote:If this was first connected to the little digital box from Comcast, could I get all the digi-cable channels I know get (vs. only the OTA channels, which are basically the 4 big networks)?
This will not work with the little Comcast device - that device converts digital channels to analog, and may decrypt them along the way. These tuners will NOT receive the converted analog signal.
Here are some customer reviews.
Here's a stupid question...does "dual tuner" mean 2 shows at once? Or just digital/analog?
Silicon's website has a nice feature where you give it your zipcode and shows you what channels your HD HomeRun should pick up from your cable provider and digital antenna. http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/
How good of an antenna would I need? Like, would those little 2-foot-tall rabbit ears work? Or do I need something mounted on my roof?
jzmacdaddy wrote:Here's a stupid question...does "dual tuner" mean 2 shows at once? Or just digital/analog?
Two shows at once, no analog at all.
Goatherder wrote:How good of an antenna would I need? Like, would those little 2-foot-tall rabbit ears work? Or do I need something mounted on my roof?
Whatever is currently required by your HDTV will likely work. A $20 directional antenna will usually do the trick. Or you can move out of the sticks.
Reception depends on how close you are to the transmitter, and how powerful your local stations are transmitting. antennaweb.org is a great site for determining what sort of antenna you will need. Enter your address or zip code, and you will get information about your local stations, and the antenna you need to tune them in properly.
uojfe wrote:Whatever is currently required by your HDTV will likely work. A $20 directional antenna will usually do the trick. Or you can move out of the sticks.
Or move away from hills and tall buildings.
I see a antenna connector, could I connect it to my VCR's channel 3 and record from there?
lwang wrote:I see a antenna connector, could I connect it to my VCR's channel 3 and record from there?
Nope, your VCR outputs an analog signal - this device only records digital ATSC / Clear QAM.
First I noticed the creative Quality Post descriptions. Then I looked at the product name in the description: 1 SiliconDust HDHomeRun Then my face:
outputs through ethernet to your network device ie wireless router must use a computer with media center or similar software great if you've always wondered what that green media center button was on your windows pc
Some words of advice from a veteran HDHomeRun user: plan your home network layout and usage patterns very carefully if you expect to use this device without hiccups. Even a gigabit home network can be completely saturated by disk activity from a single high performance NAS. Got a VOIP ATA plugged into your router? There's some other traffic that will be demanding priority. If you are trying to stream HDTV programs over that same network at the same time, something's gotta give and the process that does may not always be the one you'd prefer. QoS will save the day, you say? Good luck with that... QoS has never lived up to the hype. Consider your network usage carefully before you click that i want one! button.
Have been wanting one of these for long while. Might have to be sneaky and put this on the credit card.
Seeing as Comcast is jacking up their prices yet again in July, this is pretty tempting. I already have an HDTV antenna which gets me the normal network channels + about 7 OPB channels. Would this be any different/better than that? EDIT: Never mind, found my answer. It helps to read before asking.
I have one as a back up for my local HD OTA, use WMC to record and playback on a Xbox 360, it works well.
I have an older model HDHomerun that's basically the same thing -- dual HD tuner. It was great for a few years, but Comcast (in the Seattle area anyway) started encrypting more and more channels. I even lost some of the broadcast channels - they won't lock in anymore. I can't receive anything above 30 now in the clear. Anyway, it's awesome if you don't need encrypted channels. If a digital TV without a cablecard can tune them (antenna or cable), then this box should also. Mine's set up with antenna on one tuner, and cable on the other, and it works great for what it can see. I bought a Homerun Prime off Sellout (I think) a week or two back. It's not hooked up yet, but I'm sure it will solve all my problems. And pigs will fly. But I'm looking forward to it.
You already got some good advice, I'll just add on. Rabbit ears work fine if they already work fine for you. However HD uses UHF more than VHF, and the old rabbit ears were often optimized for the old VHF analog channels, so if your current OTA signal is borderline you could be better served with an "HD" type of antenna. In addition, outdoor will be better than indoor, and amplified works much better than non-amplified (at least for me). The aforementioned antennaweb.org has more details. Monoprice.com has some very good HD antennas that are at least as good if not better than the ones costing twice as much at Beast Buy.
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Texas Tech coach Kliff Kingsbury got good news as his No. 21 Red Raiders prepare for Saturday's visit from Iowa State. Freshman walk-on quarterback Baker Mayfield, who has thrown for 1,488 yards and eight touchdowns in five starts, won't be lost for the season after leaving last week's win at Kansas with a knee injury. "It doesn't appear to be a season-ending type injury," Kingsbury told the media early this week. "So timetable-wise, I'm not sure yet, but that was good news."
Iowa State is one of four teams in the nation still perfect in the red zone while the Red Raiders are tied for third in red-zone defense, allowing two touchdowns and four field goals in 11 trips. The Cyclones have scored nine touchdowns and four field goals in 13 trips inside the 20-yard line. "It doesn't matter how the ball gets in the red zone," Red Raiders senior safety Tre' Porter told the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal. "Be stingy on the scoreboard. That's our mentality."
TV: Noon ET, Fox Sports 1. LINE: Texas Tech -14.
ABOUT IOWA STATE (1-3, 0-1 Big 12): Junior running back Aaron Wimberly has recorded back-to-back 100-yard rushing games, the first Cyclone to do that since Alexander Robinson in 2010. Sophomore quarterback Sam Richardson, who has thrown a touchdown in seven consecutive games, had career highs in total offense (345 yards) and passing yards (262) in last week's 31-30 loss to Texas. The Cyclones have recovered seven fumbles and senior linebacker Jeremiah George has recorded 10-plus tackles in three straight games.
ABOUT TEXAS TECH (5-0, 2-0): Kingsbury didn't say who would start if Mayfield was unavailable - freshman backup Davis Webb or sophomore Michael Brewer, who missed a month with a back injury before returning late in the Kansas game. Junior tight end Jace Amaro has caught at least eight passes in four consecutive games and leads the Big 12 with 7.6 receptions per game. The Red Raiders' prolific offense - ranked third nationally with 407.6 passing yards per game - is complemented by a defense that's allowing 13.8 points and has 14 sacks.
1. Texas Tech held its first two Big 12 opponents (Texas Christian and Kansas) to fewer than 20 points each for the first time since 1997.
2. Iowa State is one of four schools in the country (along with Ohio State, Oregon and Alabama) with a road win against a ranked opponent in each of the past three seasons.
3. The Cyclones haven't allowed 36 or more points since Oct. 14, 2011 - the second-longest streak in the country.
PREDICTION: Texas Tech 35, Iowa State 20

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To the Citizens of Bethel: As the new year approaches, are you making resolutions? Perhaps one of them might be to do something for this wonderful community in which we live!
One of the responsibilities of a good citizen is to help to manage the resources of the community in which he or she lives. In that spirit, I am inviting anyone who values the natural resources of Bethel to consider serving on the Conservation Commission.
This Commission carries out activities and serves as the advisory body for the protection, development and use of natural resources located within the town boundaries. It has specific responsibility, among other things, for the Town Forest Management Plan, street tree monitoring, maintaining the Mt. Will trail, and offering advice regarding plantings that the town has to do. The Commission meets once a month at the Town Office, usually the second Monday, from 4:30 to 6 p.m.
Citizens are appointed to the Commission by the Selectmen for three-year terms and application forms are available at the Town Office. If you have questions about the Commission's work, please call Jackie Cressy (824-0508).
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Champions Online and Star Trek Online have been much improved by their transition to free-to-play, Neverwinter lead producer Andy Velasquez has said.
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Neverwinter takes an action bent because "it's a whole lot of fun"
Cryptic Studios is pretty open about why it has risked alienating hardcore D&D fans with an action-style control scheme for Neverwinter: it's fun.
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Also, that entire test said "out of the box" and didn't say anything about updating the firmware. Well, there's your problem. And this data is from June 25th, which is before the 1.5 firmware was even released so they weren't using it for the test. It even says, they used the 1.4 firmware. That's at least 2 versions ago. 1.4 even had drive detection problems in the BIOS. It was useless! Any benchmark using it is wrong.
Also, OCZ's own website claims they already fixed this sort of problem in the changelog for 1.5, likely by telling the wear leveling to ignore files over a certain size or to terminate wear leveling chip write count searching after a certain time period or by limiting the period of time for processing to change over into bulk storage mode.
Also, read speed never degrades on any drive ever.
Also, other manufacturers don't have this specific problem anyway as long as they do garbage collection (except Kingston). But as the final page states, this isn't a problem, it's a feature and it only affects the drives for a couple minutes after doing something stupid like filling it half full with data all at once.
If you read the final page..."Effectively what this means is that drives that are less than half full will enjoy further optimized performance and after crossing more than half full the garbage collection algorithm will re-optimize the drive for maximum efficiency based on a larger data footprint. During this transition there may be a small latency hit, but this is a onetime event, and overall performance quickly improves as the drive is now optimized for the larger amount of storage."
It's a one time deal. Like I said, you write a sequential 50-60GB data file, it gets a little confused about what you're using the drive for and re-optimizes itself the maintain the best speed BUT only temporarily until the firmware adapts and then it operates at full speed again. From the article: "From our observations on a partitioned drive, "storage mode" is encountered when sustained write activity exceeds 50% of the available free space." So if you slowly fill the drive up over a month, it won't do that.
And the biggest also is also, Premiere cache drives are usually around 100% empty lol. They're cache drives. They cache stuff, not store it long term
I cannot tell if these comments were meant for me as you were replying to Harm. I said nothing about "out of the box" on the SSD testing--I specifically stated that the drive I got was firmware 1.5 and therefore I did not have to update it. Also our PPBM5 test running in Premiere does write a 13 GB file. so their so called fix would never be usefull as a Premiere Project file location.
VHC-CO-IT wrote:
To answer media 747's question, no spinning hard drive is going to even be on the same planet as a good SSD for your main booting drive. I have a demo system with a little 60GB Intel maplecrest 330 SSD and when it's loading windows 7, the little floaty glowing ball things don't even touch. They're supposed to form into a flag and then pulse while the OS loads but it finishes so fast, it doesn't even get that far. It also loads the desktop, all applications, the antivirus, etc in 3 seconds.
My very high performance Seagate 7200 1TB drive in my home computer will do about 4 pulses on the flag and take at least 30 seconds to fully boot everything. There's just no contest. The only problem is, SSDs above 120-128GB are quite expensive! Also, the majority of SSDs brands have quality control problems, inferior flash chips, bad wear leveling, etc. It changes weekly but just look online to see which are the best.
SSD boot drives are expensive on a per GB basis, but as a boot drive it is quite cheap. Since a boot drive doesn't need to be above 250GB (120GB is sufficient, really), there is no reason NOT to get an SSD. I splurged on a quality 250GB SSD, and it was about the price as a 7200rpm 2TB drive so "expensive" it was not.
On the other hand, don't expect it to make a huge difference to your life. Yeah, it boots faster but with modern operating systems, there is not a huge reason to reboot all that often. When I boot in the morning, I really don't care whether it takes 40 seconds or 20 seconds. If you really care about that 20 second difference, just consider that you will spend a whole lot more time researching the "right" SSD drive, troubleshooting it, downloading firmware, tweaking and posting here about it if it doesn't work as you expected.
Right now, I am running Windows 8 from a VHD on the 7200rpm drive. (That means I am basically not using the SSD at all except occasionally when I need to boot into Windows 7 for something.) And you know what? I don't miss the speed of the SSD for boot-up and starting programs. When Windows 8 is released, I will install it on the SSD, but it's not such a big deal.
As far as quality changing weekly, I suppose that is the case if you are scraping the bottom of the barrel. If you go for quality name brands like Intel, Samsung and Crucial, their quality does not change by the day.
My advice would be not to fret too much about benchmarks and "performance" when shopping for an SSD boot drive and instead go for quality and reliability. TRIM or no TRIM, the performance will deteriorate and the drive will be upgraded sooner or later, and cheaper, more reliable SSDa are just around the corner, so don't spend too much and don't get anything bigger than you need for "future proofing".
I was referring to the tomshardware article, which stated they used it out of the box. Also OCZ's reply at the end explained everything and invalidated the entire article, lol.
Your test:
OK the first try I recorded a fairly decent score of 13 seconds but the next 5 trials were 45, 42, 45, 51, 41 so I decided to do a secure erase with the OCZ tool.and then I got 104 seconds and 165 seconds.
was simply a bad test. Yes, the firmware's garbage collection gets a little confused and slows down when you erase the entire drive then immediately do another benchmark without waiting for it to adapt to what you just did. Also, it would appear you did those last 5 trials too close to each other. For all I know, you had the drive on a SATA II controller by accident or were using the source file for the test on a hard drive on SATA III port #1 while testing the SSD on SATA III port #2, causing bandwidth issues. I tend to trust tomshardware more than any individual person's single test.
Your test was simply a bad test. For all I know, you had the drive on a SATA II controller by accident or were using the source file for the test on a hard drive on SATA III port #1 while testing the SSD on SATA III port #2, causing bandwidth issues.
How would you know? Your assumptions say it all.
Bill Gehrke wrote:
All the files were on the SSD; project, source and output files. Any idea of how long you would have to wait before it is ready to be used?
Ask OCZ. Their people definitely need to learn how to program and test their products instead of using end users as the beta testers but I use their drives because they're cheap, reliable, and can take over double the total amount of writes per chip before failing so they last a lot longer. If I had unlimited money, I'd go with an intel 520 series with TRIM on. They're THE fastest in certain tests, use top of the line chips, and their firmware is perfect.
TRIM or no TRIM, the performance will deteriorate and the drive will be upgraded sooner or later
That is completely incorrect. That's just not how flash chips work. With TRIM or firmware garbage collection, they don't suffer from fragmantation delay or any type of performance drop at all, unlike a spinning drive. That's the reason people love SSDs. They're fast and stay fast forever.
In the last 10 years, average everyday hard drives approximately doubled in speed. Right now, a Patriot Pyro or Kingston HyperX are 5x faster than my extremely fast 1TB Seagate drive. It's hard to say they're not worth it, considering that.
As far as quality changing weekly, I suppose that is the case if you are scraping the bottom of the barrel. If you go for quality name brands like Intel, Samsung and Crucial, their quality does not change by the day.
Exactly the opposite is true. They're still selling Patriot Torqx drives (ugh!). Bad, old ones stick around forever. It's the top of the line drives that change every week. Patriot was the winner then Kingston made a faster one. Then OCZ developed the Everest II controller. Then someone else developed low voltage writes that don't require an erase command. Then OCZ developed RAID arrays between flash chips within their drives. Then some company called Angel something or other invents the fastest SSD in the world. Then OCZ made a Revodrive, which runs at 1,600MB/s read and 1,500MB/s write. Now Sandforce 2.0 is almost released, which enables firmware garbage collection by default if TRIM isn't available.
Since, over the last year, SSDs were glitchy, experimental, and failed too quickly, you have to keep an eye out for the latest of the late technology to get one that actually works. You can't just say "oh, Samsung is good" and ride that for 2 years because someone will invent something better next month.
Harm Millaard wrote:
Your test was simply a bad test. For all I know, you had the drive on a SATA II controller by accident or were using the source file for the test on a hard drive on SATA III port #1 while testing the SSD on SATA III port #2, causing bandwidth issues.
How would you know? Your assumptions say it all.
When someone posts a benchmark that has end results that don't make any sense, you have to assume something was wrong with it.
Here is a retest of the OCZ Vertex 4. I did a secure earase and then waited one hour. I copied the test files (25.8 MB) to the SSD and ran the benchmark. The results of writing the 12.0 GB AVI file is 43 seconds. Maybe I need to wait 24 hours before I run the test. By the way we have test results on PPBM5 from over 100 users using a SSD for the project files on a somewhat similar test that a vast majority do not show this abnormal result.
Here is a retest of the OCZ Vertex 4. I did a secure earase and then waited one hour. I copied the test files (25.8 MB) to the SSD and ran the benchmark. The results of writing the 12.0 GB AVI file is 43 seconds. Maybe I need to wait 24 hours before I run the test.
Makes complete sense to me, but what makes no sense to me is why anybody would want such a SSD, when you have to wait one hour before you can use it and it then only shows such abysmal results...
TRIM takes an extremely long time to execute, so when deleting large files, expect not to use the SSD for some time afterwards or suffer horrible write performance degredation. This is because TRIM can not be queued as a command, unlike every other command executed in a computer. Compile that with the fact TRIM acts on blocks where more pages are marked for deletion first and there you have your answer. The Benchmarks with the SSD's were done under ideal conditions (whether on Tom's or PPBM5), hence why they show decent scores. Regardless of TRIM you will also see write performance degrade the fuller the SSD becomes, also for the same reason that TRIM commands like to wait for more pages in a block to be marked for deletion. This is to help reduce wear amplification.
SSD's are a great piece of hardware, they just haven't completely snuffed out HDD's for every application. In a Video Editing box, SSD's should really only be used for Read Heavy operations where data doesn't change much. Anytime you will be editing, moving, or deleting large files, a RAID 0 or RAID 3 on traditional HDD's is a much superior solution.
Also here is the change list from 1.4 to 1.5 firmware on the Vertex 4:
I wouldn't exactly say write performance will drastically change because of these improvements, given the inherent shortcomings in SSDs I stated above.
Of course, the worst SSD performance degradation numbers I've ever seen in the worst conditions (except Kingston's SSDNow awful product) are still as fast or faster than a typical single spinning drive performs under perfect conditions. Then there's the fact that a RAID array that'd match the read speed would be at least $400 + the cost of the controller unless you use the not so great one built into the typical desktop board. Then if you have a stack of 4-5 drives, you probably want a high CFM fan blowing across them. You can get a really decent SSD for $120.
And by the way, there is an SSD out there that uses a type of flash that can write to a location without erasing it first. I don't remember which one or if it's been released to the public yet but they exist.
Also, this SSD can immediately blow itself up at the push of a button lol
Hello everyone, I have been watching this very interesting thread and have toiled over drive configurations for quite a bit of time over the last few systems I have bought and I can tell you that while it is important, don't spend too much time on it as there are more important things to focus on that will have a much greater impact on your machine and where you want to spend your $$. I also find it interesting how much time I spend trying to tweak my system versus creating content, which is where my time should really be spent...but I digress. I just thought I would share the items I have found to be no brainer decisions and ones that you would think would make a difference but don't. The key however, is evaluating what kind of work you will be doing, and what is likely to have the most impact. Listed below are things I have found over the years that have really made a difference and those that are a waste of time.
1. SSD vs Spinning disk for boot drive: For your boot drive, this is a no brainer, get an SSD. For pretty much everything else I have seen it have zero effect on PPro or After Effects, go with spinning disks (more on this below).
2. Make sure you have a CUDA enabled card, this will enhance your system performance with PPro more than anything else I have found (not as important with AE).
3. IF you are doing a lot of color correction, make sure you use the CUDA enabled effects...10X faster and if you have CS6 they have more enabled.
4. If you want a very fast way to do color correcting, take a look at Adobe Speedgrade, it is simply awesome and is fantasticlly fast regardless of the hard drive configuration, but runs all on your GPU. Also, it comes iwth built in affects for making your video have the cinematic look and those plug ins can be very expensive, this one is free with production premium and is awesome. Only kicker is it is not fully integrated yet and you should use it as the last part of your editing process (i.e. finish your transitions, effects, etc. and then do your color grading last).
5. Really watch what plug-ins you have. As an example, most everyone has noise in their video and wants to remove it. If you get denoiser from RedGiant vs. Neat, the render times differ by a factor of 10x because NEAT takes advantage of multiple threads and the GPU. In other words get smart about what effects you use, which to use in After Effects vs. Premiere pro, get your workflow down, etc. These will pay off 100x more dividends than the time you spend thinking about disks.
6. Fast RPM disks vs. 7200 RPM. In my experience, this has had zero real world impact on AE or PPRo, I ahve 15K SAS drives and 7200 SATA drives in raid 0 and not much difference so save your money. The reason is that the high RPM's are great for applications (like a database) that have non-sequential reads/writes and that doesn't factor in too much.
7. Definitely RAID your drives, I personally like RAID 0 with frequent backups approach as it tends to be the least costly, but I know I will get a lot of flack for saying it, bottom line, break up yoru drives as Harm has suggested in many of his posts, but don't make it a science project...there are much better ways to spend your time to get your system/workflow working faster.
8. Think through your workflow and determine what your bottlenecks are likely to be. As an example, if you do a lot of color correction in PPRO, make sure you have CUDA and look at ADobe SPeedgrade. Do a lot of effects in After Effects? Make sure that is the best place to do it, there are a lot of the same effects now in PPRo.
9. Use performance monitor on yoru system to see where your bottlenecks really are...are you really using all that memory you bought, does the system report you have a bottleneck with yoru disks, etc. The sytem can tell you a lot about how it is running, so you can make more educated reasoning on where to spend your money.
I am out of time, and will continue to add to this list as I think of things and would appreciate people adding to the list of known good practices...just don't beat my recommendations up too badly:)
db2012_02 wrote:
Can someone please answer my question, if it's at all problematic to store infrequently accessed archives on the same disk as the cache/page, or would this in some way negatively impact performance of that drives caching/paging function?
All drives act differently based on their firmware but the best way to load up a drive to stop constant fragmenting problems if there's a significant amount of not commonly used data on it is to empty the drive, copy over those files, then use it for anything else after that. A smart hard drive will either put them all in a row with no gaps or at least intelligently group them into large groups across the drive for wear leveling purposes. Still, a heavily fragmented drive is just a couple percent slower so it's not a big deal regardless.
VHC-CO-IT wrote:
Of course, the worst SSD performance degradation numbers I've ever seen in the worst conditions (except Kingston's SSDNow awful product) are still as fast or faster than a typical single spinning drive performs under perfect conditions. Then there's the fact that a RAID array that'd match the read speed would be at least $400 + the cost of the controller unless you use the not so great one built into the typical desktop board. Then if you have a stack of 4-5 drives, you probably want a high CFM fan blowing across them. You can get a really decent SSD for $120.
Well again this depends on if you are talking about read or write speeds and how the drive is used, what your capacity requirements are, etc. Any serious or professional will need to have 8 or more 512 GB SSD's where they would only need 4 or 8 HDD's. We're talking over 4 grand in SSD's or 1200 to 1500 in HDD's with a nice Areca ARC RAID controller. Performance and Price advantage goes to HDD. If you're a budget concious enthusiast well, you are probably better off just using what you have, or whatever the best setup your budget can afford. Generalizing that SSD is always better than HDD is an incorrect statement... and that's the whole point of why we're here.
My preference would be in this order:
One thing to notice is that the Plextor M5 Pro is only coming out now, so there are no benchmark results or reviews yet, but based on the performance of the M3 series and the specs of this new SSD with 19nm toggle NAND flash, 1 GB cache and the latest incarnation of the Marvell controller, I'm pretty convinced this may be the best SSD yet. The Corsair has a pretty high energy consumption during writes, but has the advantage over the Samsung, Crucial and Intel that its 'stable state' performance deterioration is significantly smaller than the others. All 5 models are very good, one has some advantages over another, so the final choice can be influenced by the price and warranty period.
I have the 180GB Corsair Force GT which has synchronous NAND flash memory like the OCZ Vertex3. I love it and it's super fast and have no issues.
Here's the problem:
That's the wrong Corsair SSD. The Force series SSDs are all based on Sandforce controllers. And Sandforce's track record has been spotty at best.
Since I actually know and use SSDs and am not on record at this forum saying they're useless, I'll throw in the actual truth.
The Intel 520 series is the best speed performance vs reliability. Here's the 240GB version beating almost all others in a 4k read test:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-charts-2011/AS-SSD-4K-Random-Re ad,2784.html
It hit exactly 500MB/s in a read test, beating most others:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-charts-2011/CrystalDiskMark-Seq uential-Read,2796.html
And it beat most others on a write test too:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-charts-2011/CrystalDiskMark-Seq uential-Write,2797.html
The Crucial M4 series is sketchy. They work but the lower drives I won't even touch because of their 95MB/s write speed, which is slower than some spinning drives. They don't have any automatic garbage collection so you better get a motherboard that has TRIM support. It looks like their larger drives finally get a somewhat respectable write speed and they don't BS them with compressed data so they're ideal for video files. They just don't use quite as good of chips as the Intel drives and their controller is made by Marvel. Yeah, that Marvel. The one that makes really, REALLY crappy network controllers.
The other models/brands you may have seen high up on the list are the multiple time award winning Kingston HyperX drives. I used their 90GB one and it was almost as fast at booting Win7 as the Intel 330 I used in another build. They're nice bu Kingston isn't known for releasing quality flash chips and they do make them theirselves if I'm not mistaken. If all you want is speed but not realiability, go with them, although their useable life is still somewhat close to their main competitors in (small sample size) real world tests.
Unfortunately, OCZ went off the deep end with their Vertex 4 240GB drives and somehow managed to give them bad specs AND bad firmware AND a bad price. I do hate OCZ's wacky firmware but most problems have been ironed out in their smaller drives and this is why I use them: customers would be pissed off if their drives failed in 2 years. Well, that's what you get with inferior flash chips. Lesser manufacturers are rated for 2000-4000 writes before a chip dies. OCZ's new ones are rated for 9000+. If a chip does fail, it has a mini-RAID inside between the individual chips so your data is replicated and recoverable. So double to triple the lifetime and automatic data protection put them far ahead of anyone else for the moment but like I said, they haven't released anything actually good that's that big
The modern corsair SSDs aren't on that chart because they were made too recently but their specs are amazing and the price is right. The problem is, they have no special features whatsoever. No background garbage collection or special high life chips or anything. In all specs and features, they're practically identical to the Intel 520's. There's conflicting reports all over the internet but the consensus seems to be that Intel's hand picked flash chips will last longer than anyone's except OCZ or an enterprise class drive. So I'd go with them for a couple bucks more for sure.
P.S. Sandforce's track record has been spotty? Why, because Sandisk and Adata and Kingston put them in dumpy, low end drives with crappy chips? The new sandforce controller works flawlessly and about 80% of SSDs have a sandforce controller. They just don't have any special features like Indillinx Everst 2 does. The soon to be released Sandforce version does though.
Actually, I stated "spotty" in a relative sense: When the SSDs based on the very same Sandforce SF-2200 series controller first came out, they introduced a slew of random BSOD issues in Windows, including BSODs that occurred even when the PC is doing nothing! (This occurred even in "good" brands of SSDs based on that particular controller.)
And did you know that the transfer rate claims on all of the Sandforce-based SSDs are based on highly compressible data? With non-compressible data, the true transfer speed of all Sandforce-based SSDs plummet severely - in some cases, to less than 100 MB/s! What's worse, the maximum read speed of most Sandforce-based SSDs with non-compressible data are also only half as fast as their claimed speed. Read well-written professional reviews of those SSDs and you see what I mean. (And don't rely on Newegg or any other user reviews on the account that their experience with this product category is highly variable, ranging from none to significant. And most of the positive reviews on Newegg of products that were judged "crappy" by professionals have either a horrible or outdated/obsolete/extinct reference product or absolutely no reference at all whatsoever to compare the said products to. In other words, those "positive" user reviews of products that have been judged "crappy" all have practically nothing to compare them to.)
And what you stated about the Crucial M4 SSD is true for the 64GB size. The 128GB version is listed as having a write speed of 170 MB/s (although it is because the 128GB SSD might have been two 64GB SSDs linked internally via a RAID 0 bridge).
sigh::: more mis-info.
i am going on record to state an SSD will NOT increase performance for audio/video including being used a a cache drive, editing drives or as an OS.
as an OS it will make windows snappier and programs open quicker, once opened thats it.. with that said if you have extra $ they are nice to have for an OS drive.
now for serious animators yes they will improve performance but thats it..
OCZ has the worst rep in the biz not only for failed SSD but for ram as well and power supplies (PSs arent as bad as the other 2) (rep in the B2B not newegg clueless reviews)
Sanforce drives have had numerous issues since day one. (particularly OCZ) its only just now that they are acceptable and then it depends on the manufacturer.
Scott Chichelli wrote:
Sanforce drives have had numerous issues since day one. (particularly OCZ)
Except OCZ doesn't use Sandforce controllers in their latest series or the one before it. They use one made by Indillinx, you know, seeing as how they bought the company Indillinx. I looked and found about 3 drives currently for sale that use the original glitchy sandforce controller. The other 297 ones use flawless modern ones. That outlines pretty clearly how accurate the rest of that post is too.
Speaking of that, an SSD will help video editing performance IMMENSELY!!! Why wouldn't it? Seriously, answer that question. Why would it not help from a technical standpoint?
Before you answer, here's...well, the answer:
It's really, really, really simple once you understand how computers work and how video editing works. Let me explain. Video clips reside on a hard drive. Unless you have some magical computer that can cache every single clip in memory all at once, those clips have to be read off the hard drive before they're processed by the CPU and in the system memory. Even just playing them off the timeline means you're loading either the original or a cached file off the hard drive it resides on in order to play it or process it.
Here's the problem with that: If your computer can processor a video stream at over 120MB/s (and most can) but your spinning hard drive can only serve it up at 120MB/s, guess what you get to wait for. All your fancy chip and immense memory and amazing CUDA cores all get put on hold because the data is still loading off the hard drive into the memory.
That's why Pr has something called a cache drive in the first place!!! If disk speed didn't matter, put your cache files on the same drive as everything else. They obviously want dedicated disk I/O for project files because the speed at which they're put on and read off the hard drive is that important. So get an SSD, seeing as how they're typically 4x faster than single spinning drive and 1/4 the price of a RAID array.
Harm Millaard wrote:
Randall and Scott,
Thank you for your accurate and factual observations. They are a blessing after reading some ill founded fairy tales.
I purchased a Crucial M4 SSD (the one with appro 240GB). I will be installing Windows 8 and CS6 on it soon. I have a 3-disk setup, per your chart at the beginning of this. The other 2 disks are Caviar black 2TB and Seagate 3TB 7200rpm.
Given all we've learned, where should the pagefile go??
Modern computers with tons of RAM pretty much don't do a paging operation ever because they almost never approach the end of useable RAM space. I'd put it on either of those secondary drives because Windows does technically do something minor to the pagefile as it initially boots (like checking if it's still there and the correct size) but after that, it doesn't affect system performance other than taking up an equivilant amount of space as your system memory unless you manually set it lower and tell it to automatically expand if needed.
Those drives are so close in performance that which one to use as a cache file drive would come down to whicher has better benchmarks if you can find them. I think the seagate might have a slight edge in speed though, if I'm guessing which exact models each are properly.
If your SSD contains an individual folder of all the source files for whatever 1 project you're working on, Premiere will load those at 500MB/s because of the awesome read speed. Then when cache files are generated from those files, writing them back to the same drive they're potentially being read from isn't a great idea so either one of those spinning drives should work fine.
Since they're so close though, logic would suggest using the 3TB one for storage of video clips and end results themselves and the smaller 2TB drive for cache files since you should have more clips and end results than cache in most cases.
The speed at which spinning drives can have their data read off in a large, sequential fashion like for example video files from the drive and into memory:
The speed at which SSDs can have their data read off in a large, sequential fashion like for example video files from the drive and into memory:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-charts-2011/AS-SSD-Sequential-R ead,2782.html
I assume you weren't actually being serious since I think you know those numebrs as well as I do but for everyone else's reference, there's the side by side, real work comparison numbers.
a few benchmarks note the ssd as os and caching was actually a few seconds slower than a standard sata.. also note the overclocked performance you know that thig you think should not be done.. lol 90% of posters on here have OCed systems..
Premiere Pro CS5 Testing
980X at 3.33GHz
12GB Redline at 1600 CL 6
Intel SAS 600 Controller
4 WD 1Tb Sata 64 Meg Cache 600 Drives in 2 Raid 0 arrays
Video material - AVCHD 1080P 24 Frame Each Cut to 30 minutes of material
Export Codec - H264 HDTV 1080P 24 Preset Default
4 Effects per Layer - Fast Color Corrector, Brightness & Contrast, Video Limiter, Sharpen
Each Layer Scaled to 50% for 4 frame PinP view.
3 Layers - 43:39
4 Layers - 52:46 plus 48 minutes effects render on 4th Layer
Quadro CX
3 Layers - 42:50
4 Layers - 47:34
980X at 4.0GHz
Quadro CX
3 Layers - 36:08
4 Layers - 45:22
980X at 4.0GHz
3 Layers - 36:13
4 Layers - 49:01 Plus 42 minutes effects render on 4th Layer
980X at 4.0GHz
4 Drive Raid 0
3 Layers - 35:10
4 Layers - 47:03
980X at 3.33GHz
4 Drive Raid 0
3 Layers - 41:47
4 Layers - 55:02
4 Layers Mercury Engine Software only - 2:10:00
980X at 3.33GHz
4 Drive Raid 0
1 WD 1TB Sata 64 Meg Cache 600 Drive for Media Cache and Temp Files
3 Layer - 41:38
4 Layer - 55:25
980X at 3.33GHz
4 Drive Raid 0
Intel SSD 160GB OS/Cache Drive
4 Layer - 55:27
same test
I7 2600K 4.7 GHz
16GB Blackline 1600 CL 9
4 WD 1Tb Sata 64 Meg Cache 600 Drives in 2 Raid 0 arrays
3 Layer - 30:46
4 Layer - 33:36
I7 2600K 4.7 GHz Z68
16GB Blackline 1600 CL 9
4 WD 1Tb Sata 64 Meg Cache 600 Drives Raid 0 and 80GB SSD Cache Drive
3 Layer - 31:16
4 Layer - 35:08
I7 2600K 4.7 GHz Z68
16GB Blackline 1600 CL 9
2 WD 1Tb Sata 64 Meg Cache 600 Drives Raid 0 and 80GB SSD Cache Drive
Quick Sync
3 Layer - 13:36
4 Layer - 17:20
I7 2600K 4.7 GHz Z68
16GB Blackline 1600 CL 9
2 WD 1Tb Sata 64 Meg Cache 600 Drives Raid 1 and 80GB SSD Cache Drive
Quick Sync
3 Layer - 13:51
4 Layer - 17:50
Hmmm...let's see...lol. I think maybe the fact that you ran a video rendering test when we're actually talking about how quickly hard drives can load video clips into Premiere is part of the problem, lol. May I perhaps suggest a better test? Import a 10GB video file into Premiere from a spinning drive and see how long it takes then do it from an SSD and see how long it takes. The SSD will be 4x faster.
The more specific reason why your test didn't make any sense for an SSD as a cache drive is that the filter you were running resulted in an output stream of data slower than the write speed of a spinning drive. In other words, run a simpler, easier filter that can be processed at several hundred MB/s output stream speed and you'll see an immense different with an SSD as a cache drive.
Bob, there are a number of things to consider to answer that, and the overriding one is the amount of memory installed. The more memory, the less the use of the page-file and the less impact it has where you locate it. A seond consideration is that a SSD is great for reading, but far less so for writing and the page-file is used for writing and reading if memory is tight. Add to that, that the 'stable state' performance degradation is certainly not bad on the M4, but still worse than on some other SSD's and writing will shorten the life expecancy of a SSD. An inherent shortcoming of flash memory.
What are your options? Given the relatively slow writes of the SSD and the shortening of its life expectancy, I would not put the page-file on the SSD. There is already a lot of writing going on, on this SSD by Windows (events, logs, FAT maintenance and pointers, user account, system tasks, etc.), so that leaves one of the conventional HDD's. But, assuming the 3 TB Seagate is a Barracuda XT from the 14 series, it is noticeably faster than the WD Caviar Black. Then the next thing to consider is the size of your media, as it influences the fill rate of your HDD and when the fill rate goes up over 60%, the performance goes down. Now the page-file will be limited in size, say 32 GB or less, so my initial reaction is to use the Seagate for that. It will not impact the fill-rate, it is on the fastest drive and especially if it is the first (static) file on the disk and will never be fragmented.
Hope this helps.
That test is about as average you can get to a normal workflow and why its used.
i can play with synthetic tests all day long they are pointless and of no use.
import? the import is ONLY as fast as the drive being imported from
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"The most called-upon prerequisite of a friend is an accessible ear."
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"But words are words; I never yet did hearThat the bruised heart was pierced through the ear."
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"FIDDLE, n. An instrument to tickle human ears by friction of a horse's tail on the entrails of a cat.To Rome said Nero: "If to smoke you turn I shall not cease to fiddle while you burn." To Nero Rome replied: "Pray do your worst,'Tis my excuse that you were fiddling first." --Orm Pludge"
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"Life is as tedious as a twice-told tale vexing the dull ear of a drowsy man"
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Iranian oil technician Majid Afshari checks the oil separator facilities in Azadegan oil field, near Ahvaz, Iran, in 2008. Cities in Iran, India, Pakistan and the capital of Mongolia rank among the worst on the planet for air pollution, while those in the U.S. and Canada are among the best, according to the first global survey, released Monday, Sept. 26, 2011, by the World Health Organization. The southwest Iranian city of Ahvaz walked away with the unfortunate distinction of having the highest measured level of airborne particles smaller than 10 micrometers. (AP Photo/Vahid Salemi, File)
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Michael Schwartz named Distinguished Teaching Professor by the State University of New York Board of Trustees | ||
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• Professor Adam Possamai, University of West Sydney, to speak on "Contemporary Religion and Australian Aborigines", Wednesday, October 30th, 3:00 PM, Stony Brook Manhattan, sponsored by the Dept. of Sociology, SBU Institute for Global Studies, and International Academic Programs and Services •Memory in the Disciplines Workshop welcomes Professor Suparna Rajaram, Stony Brook University, "Collaborative Memory: A Cognitive Perspective", Wednesday, October 30th, 2:30 PM, SBS N403 •IHSS co Sponsored with the Department of History presents Patrick Weil, CNRS and Yale Law School, October 30th, 4:30 PM, SBS N320, "From Emma Goldman to Edward Snowden: How Denationalization of "Radical" Americans Reshaped American Citizenship •IHSS presents Robert Chase, Stony Brook History Department, October 22nd, 2:30 PM, SBS N320, "Slaves of the State Revolt: The Prisoners' Rights Movement and the Construction of the Carceral State" |
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•Arnout van de Rijt wins $275k NSF grant for in vivo experimental research on arbitrary social inequality •Screening of the film, ESCAPE FIRE, Tuesday, September 17th, 4:00 PM, SBS N403 •IHSS presents Clayton Fordahl, Stony Brook Sociology Department, September 24th, 2:30 PM, SBS N405, Imperium in imperio: Martyrdom, the Roman Empire, and the Creation of Christian Sovereignty" |
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Huawei, a leading global information and communications technology (ICT) solutions provider, has signed a five-year network managed services agreement with du, one of the fastest growing telecoms in the Middle East.
The step reflects on all the services offered by du to its customers and represents the company's continuing commitment to enhance the customers' services experience. Customers will benefit from the combined strength of du's converged fixed and mobile network, while at a corporate level du will have access to a wide pool of experts and industry-leading tools, allowing it to further optimize its network potential.
As part of the agreement, Huawei will provide its recognised worldwide expertise to manage du's network operations including mobile, fixed and broadcasting networks. du will continue to deliver advanced network solutions with increased operational and network efficiency that will further develop the service experience of its customers.
Managed Services is the new frontier when it comes to optimisation of company resources. By partnering with Huawei in implementing it, du will be able to increasingly focus on its core result areas and further streamline its operations. This augurs well for du's customers, who expect the very best in telecom services.
Fahad Al Hassawi, Chief Human Resources and Shared Services Officer, du, said, "We have worked with Huawei on several key projects in the past, and today marks the evolution of our relationship as we take our partnership to a new high. Our primary focus in all of our actions is to provide the ultimate customer services experience. To achieve this, we seek ways in which we can develop our network and the services that we can offer to our customers, which is precisely what our new agreement with Huawei will achieve."
"Huawei is one of the leading Managed Services providers worldwide, and we will use this vast global expertise to provide du and their customers with an exceptional service experience," said Xia Chaojie, Middle East Region Vice President of Delivery & Service, Huawei. "This multi-year landmark agreement will allow Huawei to assist du with the complex task of managing a converged end to end network. It also gives us an opportunity to extend our Managed Services portfolio to include new and previously untapped solutions."
"Leveraging the best practices of Huawei's global service experience, we will together benefit the UAE community as a whole. Furthermore, Huawei's innovations in the service area shall continue to develop through this project maintaining our position as the most competitive and attractive managed services partner in the UAE and the region," added Chaojie.
Huawei has managed more than 240 networks globally including 44 contracts in the Middle East, launching three Huawei resource centers dedicated to Managed Services in addition to five training centers across the region.
The agreement was marked during a ceremony held at the du head office in Dubai Media City by Fahad Al Hassawi, Chief Human Resources and Shared Services Officer, du; Hatem Bamatraf, Executive Vice President, Network Development Operations, du, and Xia Chao Jie, Middle East Vice President of Delivery & Services, Huawei & Liu Wenjun (Wilson), General Manager UAE, Huawei.


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Participants in last year's Historic Longboard Revival Series huddle up for a picture during the races. The revival series continues in 2013, with races scheduled for the third Sunday of January, February and March. Photos courtesy Lisa Kelly |
This year's world-famous Historic Longboard Revival Series starts this Sunday, Jan. 20. The races, adored by history lovers from around the nation, take place the third Sunday of January, February and March, conditions permitting.
Racers dress up in mid-19th-century garb and slide down the hill on oversized wooden skis. The history behind downhill skiing in Plumas County is extremely rich, and therefore suitable to be celebrated in this historic fashion.
In the past, certain races were canceled due to weather conditions (or, rather, a lack thereof), so it is suggested that potential visitors check plumasskiclub.org to ensure the races are still on.
This year's series of races will be especially memorable, as they will be the last races at the Plumas-Eureka Ski Bowl without a surface lift.
In early 2012, the Plumas Ski Club and Eastern Plumas Recreation District acquired a chair lift from Squaw Valley, which will soon be installed at the Plumas-Eureka Ski Bowl.
The longboarding event is celebrated by communities countywide and often attracts visitors from afar. Aside from the races and historic costumes, food, music, prize drawings and lots of fun round out the event.
The race in February takes place in conjunction with SnowFest, which will include the longboard races, snowshoe races, cross-country ski races, sleigh rides, a snowmobile poker run and many other fun events.
Money acquired from the SnowFest and SnowBall (a dinner and dance event held March 2 at Nakoma) will go toward the installation of the chair lift at the ski bowl. The ski club is now shooting for summer installation.
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If you play Civ V, please post here if you use a Dell PC, other PC or a self built rig and if you had problems running the game on whichever rig you used.
I use a Dell PC and have had no problems running Civ V.
Self built PC and no problems running Civ V
Self built PC and had problems running Civ V
Dell PC and no problems running Civ V
Dell PC and had problems running Civ V
Other PC than Dell or self built and no problems with Civ V
Other PC than Dell or self built and had problems with Civ V
If you play Civ V, please post here if you use a Dell PC, other PC or a self built rig and if you had problems running the game on whichever rig you used.
I use a Dell PC and have had no problems running Civ V.
May I ask what the point of this poll is? Or is it just for fun?
Self-Built PC, Haven't upgraded in six years, runs Civilization V perfectly.
This poll stems from another thread: Looking to buy a new desktop
I have an HP that I have built as I went...added a new PSU, Graphic card, added memory...no problems what-so-ever...
I have a Vista (*queue scary music*...I got it for a really good deal, ok!), and so far it's got no problems running steam games.
Do I sense an attempt at argumentum ad populum? I think I dooooooooo....
This thread is stupid.
I don't understand what the purpose of this thread is... What is special about Dell that warrants a thread to examine game performance?
My rig is Alienware - do I count it as Dell or not?
The purpose is research pulled from Civ V players as to how to proceed on the next PC upgrade. I'm open to building my own rig and moving closer and closer to that objective for next year's upgrade.
All of us here play Civ V. All of us here will have to upgrade soon to play Civ VI which I'm sure most of us will do when it becomes available.
The game of Civ VI will cost about $ 60 in all probability. The cost of the PC will range from $ 1,000 to $ 2,000.
This poll will help everyone learn from the experience of others on how to proceed. Everyone should have an open mind in the PC upgrade path and use the research gleaned here to make a decision.
By the way, Alienware IS Dell. I had to limit the choices to fit within the 10 allowed as a maximum.
This poll does nothing to resolve that issue for you.
As stated multiple times by a number of people who are far more experienced than even I am: A custom built system can beat any OEM on the market for performance or reliability.
I don't see how. Performance and reliability are only a part (potentially a small part) of the factors to use when considering a new computer. Even if web polls weren't a totally horrible way of gathering statistics, the results of this poll wouldn't come close to helping you figure out what you wanted to do.
Only you can do that.
It used to be, but more and more, it is becoming a Dell with performance components added. Alienware PCs are already moving to non-standard, lower quality PSUs and lower quality motherboards. Yes, they still have brand-name video cards and (largely unnecessary, these days) water cooled components, but their reliability has gone downhill since they started using Dell's suppliers.
And they've always been overpriced, but they're also the only mass-market gaming computer you can buy from a store.
Perhaps you don't understand the word "research". It involves looking at reality and facts and coming to conclusions. It doesn't mean taking a poll and seeing what's popular. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum <- Look it up. This whole thing is asinine, even if you ARE being genuine about a desire to one day build a rig, which I sort of doubt.
Also, leaves no freedom for those with OEM boxes with noticeable self-modification. An awful lot of PC gamers do buy off-the-shelf PCs and add a decent graphics card. I'll probably do that next time I get a new box - I'll lose out on better components, but get the basics cheaper than I could on a self-build without feeling dirty at using crap components (ain't the human mind weird?). Actually covers my current box, as I didn't start playing games that made real demands on video until I after I got this box (on a special offer in the first place, in fact). It's an Acer desktop with added graphics card and memory boosted as far as the motherboard will let me.
If you build a solid PC, it can last for a long time, with minor hundred-two hundred dollar upgrades thrown in every few years (2-3). You can spend 700-800 USD to build a medium quality PC and add new parts (You really only need to add a new Processor and/or Graphics card if you build a stable rig).
The poll is asinine? I have seen more engaging ones - but it's more useful to me than, for example, the current one on the non-existent Inuit UA. With sufficient input, the actual numbers may lead me to conclude that I should seriously consider building a PC, or that the people who use Dells encounter no more problems than those with self-built PCs. The thread itself provides even more opinion - "research" if I were trying to decide which way to go - regarding the pros and cons of what to buy. The Looking to buy a new desktop thread obviously has a lot more information, but given the staggering amount of idle speculation in this forum, I wouldn't single this thread out for being pointless.
It's anecodtal, taken from a self-selected sample. That makes it all but useless as a poll (this applies to most internet polls). The fact is, both Dells and custom PCs will run Civ 5 without any problems 9 times out of 10. If that's the measuring criteria, it's a statistical insignificance. The point isn't whether it will run Civ 5, the point is quality for money (the real topic of other, useful thread). But hey, if you consider this information "research", have at it.
It's based on the actual UK market at the time I bought this PC. I looked around, and found that to get the basics cheaper I'd have to use crappy components, and my self-knowledge of my own psychology told me that wasn't worth the money saving, due to the discomfort of building from crappy parts. It may be that this PC uses crappy components (I know some are, some aren't, some I don't know), but at the time it was the best bet comsidering all factors, for me. The fact the unit was significantly reduced affected that, and the fact I needed a new monitor (needed to have the PC somewhere a CRT wouldn't fit).
This was all about 4 years ago, I think.
Chris, if you were a professional anything, you'd know that "fallacies" are Argument 101. Well, English 101 and 102, at least for me. You would also know that in the particular case of this fallacy, there are of course instances where it still has useful application. Pointing out this fact does not make it, or you, any more correct. Appealing to popularity does not , and never will, establish a thing as a fact. Therefore, it is false to attempt to do so, and a sign of a weak argument.
If I were to hazard a guess, I imagine you might follow up with something regarding philosophical and pragmatic truth, and try to pass that off as the definition of a fact. My only reply, in that case, would be that I don't see them as the same thing. It causes me headaches.
This poll makes no sence at all. The only thing that is certain - Alienware (Dell) cannot compete with anyone when you do a performance to budget comparison. In many cases you will end up paying more for less (at least in my country).
Anyone who will not grasp that OEM systems are built for profit (and mostly from barely adequate parts), whilst self-built rigs are a labour of love, deserves to use a Dell all their days.
You may lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink.
This poll is useless. How can you consider all self-built PCs to be the same?
I agree on that statement. Each self built PC is done by a different person, different budget, different parts and different parts supplier. They are NOT the same.
However, it should be noted that at this moment in time it appears 19 folks are using self built rigs to play Civ V and only 14 are using OEM's. That tells me that this small sample does show a tendency for many folks to ASSEMBLE their own PC's these days. Maybe that is why Dell's profits seem to be falling. I notice that even Dell now sells separate parts for those who want them for self assembly.
Assembly is really what is happening. No one is bulding their own parts.
Its possible that OEM's may now drift to All In One's as their main products and leave the desktop assemblies to most of the customers.
Its also possible that even the Dell Support Center software could be run to test self assembled units. Its available for download by anyone at an internet site. If a failing part was detected, one could just buy a new part and replace it. Once we assemble a unit on our own it will probably be far easier to remove a defective part and replace it without anyone's help.
Wait, you thought people were fabricating their own parts or something? LOL.
Yes... but... they are more similar than you think they are. Standards make for a more homogenous ecosystem than you imply here. Timing and the specific abilities of components take this even further. There are literally thousands of systems that are functionally identical to mine (i7-2600K, P67 mobo, GTX-560 Ti, 8+GB DDR3-1333 RAM, Seasonic X-Series PSU). Things like the case I used or my addition of a second gigabit NIC or the fact that I have 16GB of RAM rather than 8GB have no real impact on how they handle most usage patterns. At least, they have no more impact than the various customizations offered by the major OEMs.
Oh.. and parts suppliers have no impact at all. My MSI GTX-560 Ti from NewEgg is the same one sold by TigerDirect, Amazon, Microcenter, and Fr
No, it tells us that Internet polls are trash, and that you didn't take a college level course in statistics. Not only is the sample far too small to act as a representative, it is horribly biased in a dozen different ways. Most notably, system builders are drastically over-represented on internet forums.
It's probably more to do with the growing commoditization of mid-level consumer computers and surge in tablet computers.
And buying computer components from Dell is like going to a furniture store to buy lumber.
Er... In nearly all cases, no one builds their own parts. Dell never has. They have always contracted with other companies to either supply or have parts custom-built for them. I know that Foxconn has made a good number of Dell's motherboards, and at one point they were actually using Intel-manufactured boards.
One notable counter-example is ASUS, who do actually manufacture a large portion of the components in their computers (motherboards, video cards, sound cards).
I don't see all-in-one's as the future of the market. They have the same lack of mobility of a desktop, but lack the power of a desktop. You might as well get a laptop. I think we'll see wireless video-to-TV before all-in-one's ever take off.
For now, desktops are getting smaller and more compact. At some point, that will make it harder and harder for builders to build. We're not there yet, and we'll probably move to SoC (System on a Chip: full systems on a single chip) before building becomes impossible. What we'll do in an SoC world, I do
Nope. For very important reasons, software cannot properly interrogate hardware for much of the low level information it would need to do such things. No matter how skilled your programmers are, you can't properly test memory from inside a Windows (or Linux) OS. A requisite part of the OS is that usermode software is not allowed to directly interact with hardware. So, you can do stress testing, and you can do some sanity checks, and you can see that all of the functionality that is supposed to be there is responding properly, but you'll never be able to truly test RAM, video RAM, hard drives, or motherboard integrity. I suppose its worth noting, though, that modern sensors do allow you to check for things like undervolting, overheating, and some forms of power-quality issues.
(Note: you can certainly run some tests from windows that will show that something isn't working, however, due to the hardware abstraction layer, you have a non-zero chance of a false-positive ... or false-negative... er.. you have a chance of having the software say that everything is fine when it really isnt.)
Where all-in-ones do seem to be strangely popular is public-access (or nearly public) PCs - universities, libraries, that sort of thing. Fewer things to bolt down, I suppose.