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The 2012 Ringneck Festival and Bird Dog Challenge was held in Huron on Nov. 8-10. Sponsored by the Huron Chamber of Commerce, this marked the 15th year for the festival.
The three-day event is chock-full of hunting- and working-dog opportunities, seminars on strengthening hunter/landowner relations, reunions of old friends, making new friends, plenty of prizes and fundraising for youth outdoor activities.
Everyone in Huron gets excited about our Ringneck Festival, said Kent Shelton, chairman of the Huron Chamber's festival committee for 14 years. It's a great way to promote hunting around Huron and show nonresidents what we have to offer.
Nearly 300 people participated, including hunters from 20 different states and more than 80 volunteers.
The Bird Dog Challenge was held during the first two days of the event. Six pheasants were planted in a 2- or 3-acre field where two hunters and one dog had 20 minutes to harvest five birds.
It's run like the National Bird Dog Challenge on television, Shelton said.
There is a $175 entry fee for a team including two hunters and one dog for each time they participate. The same two hunters and dog can only be partnered one time. They must alternate for subsequent teams. Some teams enter up to nine times, switching hunters and dogs.
A meet-and-greet dinner took place Friday night, where 30 teams of six hunters each met hosting landowners. Landowners drew for their participating teams, and then they met with the teams and visited about where their hunt would take place the next day. Many landowners and hunters are friends and the hunters repeatedly hunt on the same land. All land for the event is private, offered by participating landowners.
Following breakfast on Saturday morning, rules for the day were discussed.
Each team member is given only four shells, said Shelton. The team that comes back with the most shells remaining and the highest number of birds wins. Hunting begins at 10 a.m. and finishes at 4 p.m.
Two volunteer scorekeepers accompanied each team to keep track of how many shells were shot, how many birds were shot and to officially tag the birds. Hunters can only shoot the South Dakota daily limit of three wild birds. Prizes were also awarded for the longest tail feather, the smallest bird and more.
Team winners, including their landowner hosts, were announced after the Saturday evening dinner event. The first-place team all won new Winchester 101 shot
guns. The second-place team won new CZ shotguns, and the third-place team won Cabela's gift certificates.
A large part of the hunt center's on furthering the outdoor tradition in today's youth. The Straffman's Fund, named for a Minnesota hunter who suffered a family tragedy during a hunt, is a fan favorite of the Ringneck Festival, and it's supported by an auction. All funds from the auction are designated to youth hunting and shooting events in the Huron area.
Each year, the funds help support the Ducks Unlimited youth hunt, Pheasants Forever youth hunt, PDR deer hunt and the Step Outside Program. Funds are also given to the local trap range so youth can shoot all summer at no cost.
For more information on this year's hunt, go to hunthuronsd.com or on the event's Facebook page, Huron Ringneck Festival and Bird Dog Challenge.


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For all of you "see how much better Texas is" people, try reading Michael Hiltzik's column in the LA Times. Here is one fact he states, "And here's the similarity that one can bet Rick Perry won't be mentioning: Their overall state and local tax burdens on business, as a share of all business activity, are almost identical — California, at 5.3%, ranks 16th among all states, and Texas is the next notch down at 5.1%, according to an Ernst & Young study last year for the Council on State Taxation, a pro-business lobbying group."
"The lack of an income tax is Texas' big draw for the top dogs who would pay most of it, of course, since California's income taxes account for nearly 18% of state and local revenue. The slack is taken up by property taxes, which account for 44% of Texas business taxes and only 33% of California's, and sales taxes, which make up a larger share of Texas' revenue (nearly 25%, vs. California's 19.7%)."
"Here's another metric in which Texas and California diverge: Texas is much more dependent on federal money to balance its budget — the nearly 40% of its budget that's covered by federal aid places it 11th among the states, behind such other states'-rights paragons as Mississippi and Louisiana. California's ratio is just over 32%, placing it 37th. The next time you year Perry crow about the Texas miracle, remember that it's happened on your dime."
And as for job growth (despite the claim that California is losing companies in droves), here are the facts: "Both states are engines of job growth. The Bureau of Labor Statistics placed them in first and second place for net new nonfarm jobs in 2012. Texas gained 260,800, California 225,900, though Texas did so with a gain of 3,400 government jobs, and California scored despite losing 31,000 government jobs."
Granted, our government should be doing a better job of attracting and keeping businesses, but we need to stop constantly condemning California and putting Texas on a pedestal.
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"You will not say no to me, Stephanie," Brooke raged. "You will make this
happen." Steph was galled by the request to protect both Stephen and Storm
and refused to do so. Brooke reminded Stephanie of her promise to do
anything to be forgiven. "I need you to save my family," Brooke sobbed;
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stop him from confessing. "Maybe we can help one another," Stephanie
Brooke frantically left a voice mail for Storm not to confess anything.
Stephanie arrived and said that she will tell the police that neither
Stephen nor Storm were involved in her shooting if Donna breaks up with
Eric. Brooke was appalled and pointed out that even if Donna agreed, that
didn't mean Eric would go back to Stephanie. She told Brooke to worry about
Donna and Steph will worry about Eric. "Do we have a deal?" La Forrester
Storm and Katie showed up at the police station. "This better be worth my
time," Charlie warned. Storm insisted that his father was set up and he had
the evidence to prove it. As Storm was about to confess, Brooke called
Charlie's line and asked to speak to her brother. When Storm got on the
phone, Brooke begged him to come home at once. He refused, but when Katie
heard the urgent tone in her sister's voice, she quickly ushered Storm out.
Eric escorted Donna to the Forrester showroom for a private fashion show
(they must've gotten over the little fact that Stephanie had been gunned
down in the same room). He explained that he planned a tropical getaway for
them and designed a whole vacation wardrobe just for Donna. The models
paraded out and Donna was blown away by the clothes Eric designed for her.
Donna was then surprised when the last model came out wearing a wedding
dress. "I love you," Eric professed. "Will you do me the honor of becoming
my wife?" Their moment was interrupted when Brooke called Donna's cell
phone. "This is an emergency," urged Brooke. "I need you to come home right
away." Donna reluctantly agreed.
Storm and Katie returned to Brooke's house and told Stephanie he was ashamed
for what he did. Donna then showed up and asked Stephanie, "What the hell
are you doing here?" Stephanie announced she was willing to save both
Stephen and Storm from jail and that Brooke would explain the terms. After
Stephanie left, Brooke told Storm and Katie that she needed a moment alone
with Donna. Once they were out of the room, Brooke spelled out what
Stephanie wanted, which stunned Donna. "Our brother's freedom is in your
arms," Brooke sobbed. "I'm sorry, Donna.... the decision is all yours."
"I won't do it!" Donna groused to Brooke about Stephanie's offer. Donna
revealed that Eric proposed and urged Brooke to find another way to help
their brother. Storm entered the room and asked what his sisters were
talking about. Brooke recalled the sacrifices that Storm has made for Donna,
which made her feel guilty. After Storm left the room, Donna pointed out
how much Eric would be hurt if she dumped him. "He'll be miserable, Brooke. I am not going to let that woman control me."
Felicia overheard her father planning a romantic getaway at the Big Bear
cabin. She assumed it was with her mother but he revealed that he asked
Stephanie for a divorce. Felicia got upset and tried to talk Eric out of
taking such drastic action. "I'm marrying Donna," he announced, which upset
Felicia and she admitted that Donna was the type of girl she despised in
high school. Eric conceded that Stephanie was hurt and he wasn't the one to
offer comfort. Felicia bitterly said she would do it and that her mother
wasn't his concern anymore.
Stephen wasn't happy that Stephanie showed up and blabbed that she knew
Storm was her shooter. Stephanie explained that she wanted Eric back and
Stephen snarked if she was going to tempt Eric back she should do it with "your womanly
ways?" Steph then detailed the deal she pitched to Brooke to make that
happen. She suspected that Donna would come to Stephen for advice and La
Forrester urged him to convince his daughter to leave Eric. Stephen refused
so Stephanie called Brooke and gave one hour for her to "bring Donna on
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First time Marathoners Sarah and Phil Elliott-Dick had an amazing run with Phil finishing 3.15.44 (603rd) Lets just say he ran his pants off – ask him? Sarah 3.45.28. Good times were also achieved by Richard Walker 3.18.27 (659th), Margaret Metcalfe 3.51.12 and Dick Hunter 3.57.13. Other finishers were - Michelle Atkins 5.02.25, Liz Burns 5.03.45, Sue Adams 5.07.54, Paul Adams 5.16.39, Lynda Bish 5.34.36 and Jayne Fligg 5.58.27. We were well supported on route by Dave Bish and Julie Rookes. We are already waiting for entry into next years to get booked. Are you joining us? It's an ideal first marathon with no time pressures, nice weekend break for the family as well. If you want more details closer to the time just let me know. Report by Michelle Atkins
The last of the Knavesmire Berliners to complete the course was Head Club Coach Peter Schofield, who in returning a time of 3h:47m:46s took some 21 minutes of his 2006 time at the same event.
Belper 30k Multi terrain - 19th August'07.
6 runners from York took part in the
increasingly popular Belper 30k race, voted 11th best race by Runners World.
3 from York Knavesmire Harriers and 3 from York Acorn Running Club.
The route takes you along the Midshires Way, via Roman Roads, public footpaths and bridle-ways through the heart of the World Heritage Derwent Valley site and across delightful unspoilt countryside. The terrain was challenging and may possibly favour cross-country runners and fell runners, as well as us mere-mortal road runners who might be looking for a long, hard, training run, such as Colin Lea of York Knavesmire Harriers (3hours, 34minutes) who is in training for the New York Marathon to add to his Paris and London Marathon achievements earlier this year.
As luck would have it, I needn't of worried because the midfield of 260
runners set of at a gentle pace, having to queue a little over the stiles
for the first couple of kilometres. There were 25 walkers on the day too,
who set off when they liked, within 30 minutes either side of the start
Meanwhile, although the course was well marked with arrows and tape, rumour has it, the eventual winner Natahniel Williams, mistakenly missed a stile marker, but after being diverted back from a farmhouse, he still managed to win. The winning time: 2hrs 8mins 31secs.
We found a couple of local recommendations of pubs serving Sunday Lunch in the area:- "The Bulls Head" (which we almost passed by on the course) and "The Bear" at Alderwasley. We plumbed for the nearby Bulls Head (serving all day, the main courses were around £10.95) and coincidentally, whilst in there, we met the official race photographer, Brian Dale, who reminded us that FREE photo's of the runners taking part would be available to download from the net at http://racephotos.topcities.com/(normally this can be quite expensive, so this was another tick in the box for the race organisers). Link:
http://www.belperrufc.co.uk/RugbyRover2007/Rugby%20Rover%202007.htm Report by Martin Smith, York Knavesmire Harriers Millenium Bridge 5k - 7th August'07 Among the women, there were good performances for Katy Godfrey (8th woman in 19:30), Fiona Strange (10th in 19:40) and Sarah Nettleton (12th in 20:59). Thanks to Joy for photos.
We gathered in our start pens according to our predicted times and here I was pleased to meet fellow Knavesmire Harriers, Dick Hunter and Alaistair MacLeod who were also both aiming for a time of around 4 hours. Thankfully just before the gun went the rain stopped and we set off in slightly cool but otherwise good conditions. The start took us east along Princes Street under the spectacular backdrop of the castle then out past the further landmarks of Holyrood Palace and Arthurs Seat. This year the course had been changed to make it flatter than previous years so from here we left Edinburgh and followed the coast through East Lothian. Running along the promenade of Portobello and heading out on the main stretch of the course provided spectacular scenery along with a fierce headwind which made the run tough in places. At 7 miles we passed by Musselburgh racecourse, the new finish point for the marathon, and the first of the relay change points. The relay seemed exceptionally well organised although it was all too easy to be swept along at the speed of those runners with fresh legs and thankfully Alaistair was there to remind me not to carried away with them or I doubt I would have made half way! The rest of the course took us out to Prestonpans, Cockenzie and Port Seton before turning through the grounds of Gosford House and returning to Musselburgh. Despite the weather there was still a good crowd out supporting the runners along the route and the cheer from the grandstand at the finish was something I won't forget for a long time. With the 3 of us having similar expected times (although it was our first marathon for myself and Alaistair) we ran together for much of the way and when we did part the doubling back allowed us to cheer each other on. I was first across the line in a time which far exceeded my expectations in 3.40 and was closely followed by Dick in 3.50 and Alaistair in 3.51. I think I can speak for us all in saying it was a great day and the event was well organised with a fantastic course. I for one am sure I will be back to do it again!
Race 1: The first of St. Bede's three 5k road races took place on Wednesday 2nd May. A good Knavesmire turnout of 10 runners (out of a field of 146) toed the line. Darren Hendley led home with 16:53 in 19th place while Mark Magill ran 17:49. Abey G-P led home the ladies in 19:07, closely followed by Katy Godfrey and Zoe Davis who were both under 20 minutes. There was also a PB (I think) for Andrea Lancaster who was just 5 seconds over the 20 min mark. Other Knavesmire runners were David Darton, Ian Bithell, Colin Lea, and Malcolm Fawcett. Race 2: The second race on 9th May was remarkable only for the fact that most people ran virtually identical times from the previous week. Darren continued to dazzle, running three seconds faster than in Race 1, again leading home the men. Abey ran 19:05, two seconds faster than the previous week, closely followed by Caroline Warrington in 19:09. Andrea ran four seconds faster than in Race 1, missing the magic 20 minute barrier by an agonising two seconds. Other Knavesmire runners were Malcolm Fawcett (23:26), Mark Magill (17:56), David Darton (21:14), and Colin Lea (21:57). Race 3: On a gloomy wet Wednesday it was again Darren who led home, with his best time yet of 16:40 (14th place). Mark Magill followed in 17:23. In the Abey v. Caroline battle it is now one-all, Caroline having just nipped under the 19-minute mark (8th) with Abey coming in about 30 seconds later (10th), while Katy Godfrey ran 19:53. Other Knavesmire runners were David Darton (21:13), Colin Lea (21:28), and Malcolm Fawcett (23:14). London Marathon- 22nd April 2007
The Paris Marathon starts with going to pick up your numbers and chips at
the Paris Marathon Expo. There were some nice touches - such as being able to
get a patch printed with your name on it to pin on with your number so people
could cheer you on by name. Even nicer, it being France, many of the stands
promoting regional marathons had free wine on offer! Martin thanks everyone who helped him raise around
£3,500.00 for Cancer Research UK - full story at
www.justgiving.com/mdsmith The first 10K passed quickly and without incident other than the water station bottleneck that created a small delay. The course then went out to the quieter woodland section, the trees providing some well needed shade at this point. The woodland ceased around the half way point, and according to the 'Supporters half Marathon' contingency all the runners that were spotted were looking very good with some notable times. Around 16 miles the course went through a long tunnel, this provided some relief from the relentless heat and also gave a chance for some much needed camaraderie with Mexican Waves & shouts of 'Chicken & Chips'!! Back out into the glaring sun and the last few miles were hard work, temperatures hovering around 30C and a lack of marshalls resulting in spectators ambling across the road in front of the runners. After a long hard final 6 miles, where it seemed that the mile markers were at least 2 miles apart, the finish line was a very welcome sight! A big congratulations to all Knavesmire Harriers who took part. The Saint-Lazare crew:
Special mention to Janet for her outstanding time and a PB and also to Sarah for being sporting enough to go and support when she couldn't take part. A fitting end to the adventure seemed to be to go back to the beginning. Subsequently once everyone had had time to freshen up and recover, it was out on the town for something to eat, a few beers and a trip back to the Eiffel Tower - this time to go up it! The 1650 (I think) steps were just a couple too many for marathon tired legs so it was the lift not the stairs that took us all to admire Paris by night.
Here are some of the YKH results from the
30,000 or so finishers... if you ran but your name is not here, or if you
want to add your story to those above, let me know!
Janet Cordingley
3:32:01 - position 4503
David Darton
3:43:48 - position 6751
Colin Lea
Neil Kingham
Martin Smith
Garry Moss
Racing in the Lakes- Easter weekend Race report from Jean Snelling: Four of us went to Arkendale on 1st April to run in their inaugural 10k race. In our innocence we thought being a new race there would only be a few people there especially as they had said to pick up race numbers on the day!! Imagine our surprise when we got there to find a few hundred people there - many registering on the day There were quite a number of York Knavesmire runners there and the beautiful weather brought out many other runners from much further afield. The organisers had to cease allowing entries on the day as they had far more than expected. Quite a number of spectators and lots of dogs and children. The race itself was a little undulating, part on quiet road (apart from the very angry motorist who cursed the runners running on the right hand side of the road!!!) then track and then on a quiet road and a long stretch of field before a hill to the field finish. An enjoyable run on a beautiful day. Best was yet to come Home made cakes and drinks and a BBQ with hot dogs and really good burgers. A big barn with plenty of seating was very welcome and certainly would have been a boon if the weather had been bad. We do hope the organisers made a lot of money for their church and new village hall. They have told me they learned a lot from this their first race and hope to put the info into practice next year Harold Dobson gained first male 065 and I was informed this morning I had got first lady 070 (however I believe I was THE ONLY lady over 70!!! Results are on John Schofields site and the photos which
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It's a nostalgic one-dish supper with a few healthful updates and a lot of easy options for what you're craving or for what your pantry holds. Kids will love it all the more when they choose which pasta, veggies, cheese and herbs go in the mix.
Take advantage of ripe melon to create this refreshing fruit salsa with subtle heat from a hint of jalapeño. Serve atop grilled meats or tossed into lettuce salads.
Try this colorful and flavorful shrimp and vegetable sauté over creamy coconut brown rice. There's plenty of time to chop, prep and cook shrimp and veggies while the rice cooks.
This delectable, healthful smoothie is packed with vitamin A, potassium and fiber. Top each serving with some ground flaxseeds or a pinch of nutmeg if you like.
Warm fall spices and slightly sweet sherry vinegar coat this delicious mixture of cubed sweet potatoes and pears. The flavors of this healthy side dish will complement any holiday roast.
The parsley in these treats makes them a secret breath freshener for your pooch; substitute dried mint for half of the parsley, if you like.
This side dish of roasted sweet root vegetables is a perfect accompaniment to roasted chicken or pork tenderloin. A side of bitter greens, like mustard greens, offers a nice balance to the sweetness.
This delicious stuffing is rich and rustic if you use whole wheat bread, lighter using white.
Fun to make, a delight to the eyes and absolutely yummy, this jelly roll-style cake is a holiday favorite.
To makeover for this traditional holiday favorite, we replaced the powdered orange drink mix and sweetened powdered tea with orange juice and black tea. Whole spices and some sugar add just the right warmth and sweetness.
The nutty sweetness of butternut squash combined with sautéed shallots and almond butter makes a delicious and surprising topping for crostini. For a festive touch, top with toasted almonds. Substitute other winter squash, if you like.
The shape of orecchiette pasta is perfect for holding the savory sauce made from the mushrooms as they cook. If you have any leftovers, serve them at room temperature the next day.
These cookies are a buttery and rich Hanukkah tradition. Fig preserves and pecans make the filling for these indulgent cookies. Serve with coffee or tea.
Packed with vegetables, beans and pasta, this soup is a meal in itself. Serve with crusty bread and a green salad.
Perfect served with crusty bread. For a change, try warming the dressing in the same skillet you used to fry the bacon, then toss with the salad to gently wilt the spinach.
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Thread: Ttc 2013
May 9th, 2013 09:24 PM #1001
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My pup is a spaniel/poodle mix... cockapoo haha
@ sarahmezz - Wooo hoooo!TTC #1
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Sarahmezz, that's great news!
Nowakasia - your puppy is so cute!
Alzora - I love your perspective on this. Hope that tomorrow is a better day.
I love the pre-motherhood bucket list idea. That is why we are going on our trip! Although it was actually a "distract Andrea from wanting a baby" trip. But still, it's a good idea to do it before we have wee ones around.
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@Sarah, yay!! Isn't it such a relief to see that positive ovulation test for the first time? Good luck on this cycle!
@Nowakasia, HOW PRECIOUS! Is your puppy a boy or girl? What's its name? I have a two-year-old Wheaten terrier named Bing. He is my pride and joy:
@Andrea, thank you for being encouraging as always. It seems your bucket list has grander ideas than mine. Actually I can't come up with any ideas! It seems I have very limited interests. Or perhaps I'm just too hormonal right now.
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Oh Alzora, I'm just sure God has something amazing in store for you. I have the same philosophy you have. Everything happens for a reason. We may not see it right away, or ever, but it's there. I just keep thinking that if I had gotten pregnant right away, I wouldn't have my son, and he's amazing. I also wouldn't have made the friends that I've made through shared fertility woes. Plus, I think it has made my prayer life better, and increased my appreciation for the things I have. Not to mention I've learned a lot about insurance, billing, and who to call at my hospital to get things done ;-) Is it possible for you to talk directly to the RE that TIB works for? Maybe if you could talk to the doctor, you could get some more answers. She might know how best to proceed. Or maybe just set up a consultation appointment with her/him, if you can afford it. I understand needing the insurance to come through. We waited a long time to go to our RE this time because we just didn't have the money for it. We eventually borrowed some from our in laws. Has your husband done a semenalysis yet? It is still possible that the problem is on his side and not yours. Our insurance covered the semenalysis without a fuss, so maybe you could look into that area for a little while. My prayers are with you!
p.s. Your pup is adorable! So is yours nowakasia. My parents' first dog was a cockapoo!Wife to Jordan.
Mommy to Everett Callan, born 2010 and Callie Sage Eilonwy, born 2013
and 2 fur babies: a male standard poodle named Shasta, and a female Australian shepherd named Scout.
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May 10th, 2013 01:13 AM #1009
Alzora, teleology aside I think there is a logical (albeit intensive) way to approach this.
1) stick with your OB whose office will use the magic billing code
2) call every OB in the area who takes your insurance and ask if they have privileges at the hospital where your HSG was scheduled
3) once you find one, ask your OB for a referral to that person (or if she could just phone them and ask if they would perform the procedure; unlikely as most will want to meet you first before performing a procedure on you)
4) attend your consultation with the new OB (if required, hopefully not) and schedule the HsG with their office. You will of course not be transferring care but just using them for this one service.XY: Antoine Raphael (3.1.2012)
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TVA Donates Funds For New Pumper Tank To Drakesboro VFD
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DRAKESBORO, Ky. - The Tennessee Valley Authority donated $5,000 to the Drakesboro Volunteer Fire Department to help fund a new water tank for a pumper truck.
The department is one of the closest response agencies for TVA's Paradise Fossil Plant.
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The funds will be used to replace a steel water tank on the truck that's needed constant repairs. The department has purchased a plastic tank that should last longer than the metal one.
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Frustration with Smash City
Their court availability is disappointing. They constantly close up to 4-5 courts for training thus leaving a few courts open for public and it is very frustating. I usually went there on tuesday/wednesday/thursday nights and saturday/sunday late afternoon. I were asked multiple times in the middle of a game to leave the court because of training sessions. One time I explained to the staff I took that particular court because the time table for training session is 6pm-7pm on the notice and it was already 9pm!! Then guess what, the staff came back with another notice which read "training session at 9pm"
Then i look around the gym and most courts were full with multiple groups already waiting. Some of my friends paid $7 admission and played less than 30 mins, they all decide to never come back to smashcity again.
If the managment team of smashcity is reading this forum, I wholeheartly suggest you to not close that many courts of training, 4 to 5 courts are really too much. Yes, i understanding training classes can bring you more revenue and reputation but smashcity has recently developed into a private badminton school. I also decide to say goodbye to smashcity and won't mind to drive from cupertino to milbrae, fremont, campbell and union city to play this frantistic sport, or rather spend my $7 on a movie than wasting my time with smashcity in frustration.
trying going to Apac then. You won't need to spend your whole trip waiting. I recommend it to you cause the gym is fairly empty almost everyday. Their 10 time passes are only 56 which is around 5.6bucks each time.. save you some gas money there. Usually. Me and my friends played the whole 3-5 hours while we're there.
tobler -- quite a first post It is great that badminton is really taking off! I'm glad Smash City continues to be successful with both open gym and training with so many clubs in Northern California. However, I would like to correct a few statements made in your message. Since I'm in charge of the training program and am a 50% owner of the club, I can let you know that our training program uses 1 court for training on Tuesday, 0 Courts for Wednesday (all coaches have that day off), and up to 3 courts on Thursday -- not the 4-5 courts you mentioned.
On Saturdays and Sundays, we can use up to 5 courts for maybe 2 to 3 hours at most. BTW, we are open for 14 hours on Saturday and 12 hours on Sunday, so you must have been "lucky" during your visit. In addition, given that Smash City has 12 courts -- even at worst case, we still have 7-8 courts for open gym -- just as many open courts as other gyms.
I certainly hope ALL your friends paid $7 admission
I frequent Kwun's forum frequently. Reserving courts is just as important for training as it is for open gym. I certainly hate to lose a five day a week customer -- but at least you will continue the sport at other clubs.
I won't be responding to any more messages here. You can send me your telephone number in a private message here or email me at email@example.com. I would like to find out more information re: your visit!
Thanks SuperKaren for the suggestion, i will definitely give that place a try!
Wlum. Thanks for pointing out my post count, I believe that make my opinion less valuable and also thanks for making the assumption that my friends didn't pay admissions, i meant some of them only got to play 30 mins if that statement is not very obvious to you.
Moreover, you are representing Smash City but decide to quote my post statement by statement and joke about them, this is a very unprofessional public relationship gesture on a public forum
Uhmm... indirectly insulting him doesn't help either sir. I go to smash quite often myself and I also understand you frustration, but they roughly have their schedule posted up. You can also challenge the other courts and meet now people also.
But if you decide that the gym isn't for you, i agree with Karen and say you should go to APAC if you only play with your friends. That place seems to be very off and on with people. UBC is very trainning oriented also. I have yet ot go to the new bintang, but i'd think that would be a good place to go to. I'd like to also suggest Bay badminton if oyu haven't been there. The place is huge and really nice. If you are just a recreational player, going to any of these gyms would be a good idea, but once you go up in level the number of gyms you can go to really goes down the hole.
Hey tobler. Don't get too frustrated. It's happened to many of us at some time or another. What I say is this -
Not everybody has the same best place to play badminton. You have to try out a few locations and find which one is the best for yourself.
It's worthwhile giving the feedback to Smashcity. Wether they take on that feedback and act on it is their problem. If they lose business from that, don't let it worry you - it's their problem. You do have other options for badminton.
If their facility is so busy and expensive, then market forces should apply - people like yourself will seek alternative venues.
Take Care
Calm down...
Without knowing too much detail, I think this case is more due to mis-communication between both sides. It's the customer's responsibility to double verify the schedule before coming, but it's also the management team's responsibility to try to honor the already-published schedule, and try not to change it from time to time based on the last minute demand/order.
Personal attacks can't solve the issue, and surely not a good thing to the community.
I do agree with tobler, and I felt the frustration also. I never been to Smash City. But I went to another club during summer, and they were using 3 courts for training during lunch hour. However, all the kids who were waiting took up the other courts to practice and play matches. That left only 3 or 4 courts left to the rest of us. That shows us they don't care about us paying only a few bucks to play. First of all, I don't have any relation with Bintang, but I really like the way they handle training classes. All their training class after after 2pm when most players left. And if there are kids coming early and start playing and there are not enough courts, Phuu and his mom will ask the kids to stop and leave the court. That's how the managment should treat us (customers).
well... if uve never been to smash city then dont talk. also all trainging classes at smash city are after 2pm considering most of the students are STUDENTS, who are at that time in school. and if after 2pm is when there ISNT many ppl i dont think it is very busy. which in turn is due to ppl NOT going there. der derderrr
Well. If we want to get "technical" about this. When the website of smash city, ubc, or any other clubs posted. If the website states that there are 9 courts or 12 courts available, then of course we should recieved the full benefits of the 9-12 courts on the website right? For an example, Smash city website state that there are 12 well spaced courts. If that is the case, the customers come and expect to have 12 courts available to play not 9. My first experience was with UBC ( the first management, not sure about now). It was when they used 3 courts to train and one court was broken down at the far end. That left us with only about 5 courts to play. So technically, it's consider a fraud, if the gym doesn't not meet up with its stated features. Also, I agreed Mr. Lum made a mistake by posting "I certainly hope ALL your friends paid $7 admission" on the site. This is an insult and indirect mocking. I think as a customer, we have the right to critic gyms, that just happen in the business world. Tobler might be overexaggerated but that just show how frustrated it is with the gym. Add oil obviously does not help. As for my experience with the club, I think the same as Tobler. I drove from South City all the way to Smash city, hoping to have a decent game. Apparently, there were not waiting system. Basically, people just camp at the court and conquer it. I spend the whole time, waiting and because nobody wanted to play with me, i spend the whole time scratching my knees. It's frustrated because people comes in groups and they only want to play with their friends. It's really hard to play if you come alone and doesn't have friends. Most "great" players there only want to play with other "great" players, so there's not chance of me getting on the court. But, I dunno, this is not what I want in a gym. GGBC was a better experience for me. I only waited for 1.5 hours as most on challenging courts. Bintang sometimes gets really crowded. I waited for almost 3 hours last time, playing on challenging court. Apac was always dead, the last few times i went with my friends.
Well I think this is turning into a gripes thread. Since there are issues that I cannot answer and are best directed towards the management, I propose people should advise how best to solve issues without going into names and accusations.
I must say, if a facility has twelve courts, and only 6 are open to rent/dropin because the other six are being used for coaching, then the twelve courts are being utilised as claimed for badminton. I'd have more of a gripe if they were being used for basketball.Last edited by Cheung; 03-04-2008 at 06:08 AM.
I am not even live in the region, so, I can't speak with any in person experience.
However, I wonder if that's possible to give the front desk a call to double verify today's schedule / court availability before heading out. Worst, ask the front desk when you enter the gym, before give the $$$. This way, if you think the current situation does not fit for your need, you can leave or go to another gym. If you decide to take a chance, then wish for the best.
Your guys in Bay area have like tons of badminton dedicated facilities, and the entry fee is like $7. Our poor folks in NY, need to pay as much as $25 for a session in HS gyms, and still need to wait for games during peak time.
I am not on either side, but I don't agree on the above statement.
The number of courts only states the features of the facility, but no meaning of all these will be available for you or a particular group on a 24/7 basis.
Let's put this way. Say a shopping mall says "free parking available". Then, you come on Black Friday at a rather late time. Sure, you can't find a parking spot easily. Do you consider it's a fraud? I hope no...
I agree with Cheung - if one doesn't work out, then go to another one. Luckily we have 7 to choose.
My daughter train at gym. I pay money for owner get rich. Why give up train court for Toble open play? What make yu soo special to kick out my daughter?
I want eat at restarant but have to wait. I tell owner to many people eat beef. owner shud kick them out so more table for me eat chiken.
All gym have train class and open play. some gym have more court like new bay place. some gym have less court like goldingate. All gym hav train. All gym cheat?
Dont be cheap. Reserve court if yu no like wait. take train class.
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