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Recently gave SWTOR a try and just can't warm up to it. The low server pops and other issues have me waiting out my cancelled sub. So, I'm looking for a new game. Not a huge fan of TAB targetting, but have come to live with it in MMOs. Don't really like the lack of futuristic / sci fi content in games like BF3 and COD. I will say that I LOVED the kinetic effects in SWTOR though. Tons of knockbacks, pulls and charges to keep things very interesting. But like I said, not enough. The game just has so many chronic issues. So I've been reading up about DF. Curious how bad the grind is. I can only play one or two days per week for a couple of hours max. Will I be frustrated? I can't stand having a disadvantage in games simply because I don't sit around and grind. How bad is it in DF? I gather the skill system is not like EVE in that your skills only increase while you're playing / using them. How long until a "new" player can take down a vet? IE., how many skills (and how far up the tree do you have to go) are needed to be a viable PVP force. Also curious if there are many roots, stuns and any kind of knockbacks in DF. |
I would not recommend DF for your situation at all. The grind it horrible. For solo PvP against other veterans it will take you 6+ months of intense grinding/macroing to get competitive. The game has no skill cap so you'll need to raise archery, magic, and melee along with your base stats. Basically if you only play twice a week for a couple of hours it will take you years to be PvP viable. There is an offline leveling system but it takes Gold to increase the skills so it doesn't really help new players too much as you'll barely have any gold, and even if you get gold it is still very slow. On top of all this there will most likely be a full character wipe when they release their new game, Darkfall 2.0, sometime in the future. AV hasn't explicitly stated whether or not there will be a character wipe but there avoidance on the topic pretty much confirms that there will be one. Darkfall is an awesome game with great combat mechanics but it's horrible grind just kills it for a lot of people, I'd suggest you just sit back like everyone else and cross your fingers for Darkfall 2.0. As for combat I don't remember their being any roots or stuns, in a competitive aim based PvP game those type of skills are overpowered. There are skills that can temporarly blind other players in various ways and with some of the spells you can knock back and even juggle people in the air if your good enough. |
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The grind is endless and you'd be way, way behind. "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky |
The grind is terrible. Most characters are maxxed at this point. They should have made the 4x skill gain weekend permanent. You are probably looking at 6 months to match current players. Unless you buy gold you will be doing some serious grinding to pay for regeants and mediation bills. You could probably shorten it to 3-4 months if you went destroyer. Either way it's a definite uphill battle. Especially when your opponents can kill you with you being barely able to scratch them. |
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Originally posted by Atlan99 When did they implement a skill cap? "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky |
Originally posted by Zekiah When you go Destroyer it makes you do more damage to staff weilders restricts a ton of the magic schools so you basically become a mage killer. The magic grind is reduced but it's a harder build to play solo as your limited on what you can use. |
i think its more of a nuanced answer than the majority would leave you to believe. The grind is bad if you look at it from a statistical/character stats point of view, meaning to catchthe top 25% you would have to play for a year at a minimum. i will also add that I have seen some maxed characters get owned in PvP by someone with half their stats because player skill matters more in this game than in any MMO I have played. (well this was post patch that made early stat gains more influential than later gains ie going from 20-40 vitality gave u a larger base hp boost than going from 80-100). That being said it is no easy world to survive in. Its full loot pvp (not a big deal imo) and that obviously attracts some griefers. I played the game and loved it and had more of my friends played it i would still be subscribed to this day. It takes a thick skin and at least one friend to even attempt (unless u join a guild right away). Also while many ppl lament the need to max everything in this game it is not really a need if you have a good guild or group of friends playing. So I guess my thought is play the free trial with a friend and if you enjoy the gameplay then consider it. The biggest detractor now is that there is no certainty anyones characters will exist in a years time. |
Originally posted by Naxtor When I played Darkfall the grind was awful. I spent most of the time in game hitting afk players in the guild city to increase weapon skill. I would swim and run afk at night and despite doing these things, I wasn't able to pvp at all. When fighting other players my hits would do zero or imperceptible damage and they could kill me in 1 or 2 hits. I really like FFA full loot pvp, but not when I can't even hurt my enemies. The grind is the only reason I quit Darkfall. Are you a Pavlovian Fish Biscuit Addict? Get Help Now! |
Just thought I would add. If you are going to try Darkfall, do some research first to find a guild. At least with a guild you can get some guidance and if your lucky, access to city amenities. |
Originally posted by Atlan99 Yeah make sure you get in a guild that will show you how to setup all the scipts you are going to need because you will need a ton of them if you want to be any good at pvp. |
1. if you leave an MMO for Darkfall because of low population you will be in for an unpleasant experience. 2. this will sound strange but here it goes. If you join DF for PvP the grind will be very hard. If you join for the world, pve etc it will be a much better experience starting out. Ironically as a 'PvE game' Darkfall is actually very good. If you just learn to take your loses when killed by PvP the PvE part of the game is actually remarkable compared to other MMOs. does your game have rainbow sprinkles and magic ponies!? |
The grind in darkfall is indeed pretty awful IF you want to be able to compete against the top hardcore veterans (Who have played for more than 3 years) in the game on a 1v1.. Although I would argue that <1-2 months of pretty casual grinding can still make you a pretty usefull addition to teamfight/clan |
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Im i the only one not grinding in DF? I just play and have fun, skills slowly builds up over time, nothing to worry about. But im also just a casual player that just want to have fun with friends/clan. |
I really enjoyed lvling my character in Darkfall.. I had around about the same amount of time to play as you and that was before that last skill gain increase. It probally took me 3 months before i could really get stuck into PVP and a few more to get good.. Last nov i believe they inscreased the skill gain even more.. I started a new account up just to test and within a month i was at the same point as my main character was after 3 months.. The main thing with Darkfall is join a good guild and start grouping up and going out with them, Darkfall is no a gam for solo play really and if you go into it knowing your not gonna be able to kill that vet thats been playing for years then you will be ok.. Accept the fact you will die and loose all your gear its ok its not hard to get especially if your in a good guild :) Also accept the fact that this game does have a time investmant its not somthing you can press a button and be maxed out that just takes the fun out of it.. Start up a trial and just start playing the game, dont play it to max out your character just enjoy your time game and you wont even realise how much of a time sink it can be.. Also there is now offlnie meditation where at the end of the day when you have finished playing you can pop some gold into meditation and it will level over night whiel you are sleeping and working.. Darkfall is not for everyone tho, if your expecting an easy ride and to have your hand held with loads of tutorials then the game is not for you.. Also roll on the american server as there is more population there at the moment.. As for a possible character wipe.. yes this could happen but i dont think they will just wipe everyone to 0 and start again lol all the vets would quit.. at the most they would reset skills to 0 and give you a ton of meditation points to reallocate the skills into the new skill trees for Darkfall 2.0 My 3D models |
If you goal is to be max stats and a pvp beast as soon as humanly possible. THen yes, the grind is unbearable and you also fail at mmorpgs. If your goal is to have fun, creating your own needs in game (this is a sandbox kiddies...be prepared please) then there isnt a grind. I found basic gear crafting at the start was a good task to aid in me killing stuff. I saved all my enchants (skining every single mob i killed). The enchants ended up being worth a ton, since i had bulk, enough to get my enchants to decent levels and sell the rest, feathering tons of helm i made. Since i was not into enchanting i knew specifically what enchants sold well and which ones i found usefull. Now i had a reason to go to far away mob spawns and really farm. With extra money i was able to buy stuff. In the end i was crappy at pvp, but enjoyed the game enough to keep playing for years. I now have a near max character that would dominate in the right hands. Ill stick to clan seiges, im trash at 1vs1. The game was fun enough to keep a bad pvpers entertained in a full loot enviroment. None of it was a grind for me. The community has a huge role in it. One of the best mmorpg communities since the old anarchy online community. Even the trolls are fun...not like most mmorpgs where its all lame kids trying to be funny. With that said, im waiting to see how 2.0 goes. Once you are maxed out, theres not a whole lot to keep you playing, which is why i see it taking such a long time as a good thing. If your good at pvp then thats all you really have, other than farming for stuff ect. If 2.0 is as easy as they hint it will be, im not sure ill be interested. Its the long progression and fun pve that kept me for all that time. |
The grind in Darkfall is the worst you have ever encountered in any mmo. Some will say the grind is fine, but those players have most likely macroed none-stop for several months. I gave up maxing my char after 3 years and more than 30000 NPC killed. If you like to run around like a noob and kill NPCs, the grind is fine. If you like PVP, stay away from this game. |
The grind is awful. If you are a newbie then you don't really realize how bad the grind is for probably a few days because skills actually move when you use them in the begining. You also are not really involved in any real pvp fights so you do not know what skills/spells that your character is missing/needs. So I could see a total newb being fine for a few days. Then when he figures out what he must do to acutally start using some cool magic or making nice armor/weapons etc he will probably /wrists. Even macroing 24/7 cannot overcome this insane grind of a game with the lowest population of any MMO. An MMO with low playerbase isnt very fun. Add to that. The dev team ignores fixing bugs, creating content and addressing issues and you have a blackhole of wasted time for a paying subscriber. It as if AV thinks that their current game is already FREE to Play and don't even attempt to do anything but give its subscribers some text on a blog every 1-2 weeks. |
Have you ever put ape bones in a blender? It's like that "I will not play it nor any other MMO until they make it possible to obtain the best gear without forcing people to group up to do so." SwampRob |
Originally posted by Hotjazz I maxed out (well im close, enough to be considerd maxed out since the gains are nominal per point) in about 1.5 years of casual game play. Theres medatation, and if your able to farm about 5k gold a day (very doable aside from a fresh character) you can have your stats maxed out in a few months of casual play. PvP is great in sieges, however im genetically horrible at FPS games and i suck, and i still had fun. Like i said, if your goal is to be maxed out fully and dominating in pvp in a month or three forget it. This game is an epic PVE game masked as a pvp game. Theres plenty of pvp once you know where to look, joining an alliance guantees it, and theres plenty of non grifing areas near NPC towns to level up stuff. Most did macro, i think the only thing i did that was cheating was over night swimming a few times, and that was before medataion. If you enjoy the game, enjoy sandbox pve in a potentially risky enviroment, then its going to be a game you like..if your thinking its going to be some kind of full loot world of warcraft and everythings going to be handed to you in a month or two your going to rage. If you do join and do choose to rage over the "grind" please do so in chat, its very entertaining to the rest of us. And yeah, lots of people do macro. Im the wierdo that didnt macro and also was bad at pvp..yet some how i managed to enjoy the game. |
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Originally posted by Naxtor .............RUNNNN!!! RUNNNN FOREST RUNNN!!!!............... WTF ARE YOU STILL DOING HERE FUCKING GTFO BEFORE U START DA NERD RAGIN AND DA FOAMIN EVERR WHERE. *Lol, so yea, Darkfail 1.0 sucks epicly, if u not Vet, then GTFO thats what AV is sayin, if you wana try Darkfall, wait for 2.0, but no big hopes. What? you say u still want a sand box game? Mortal online, Awakening, wait for that, try it out, Mortal online right now is a little better then Darkfall due to the grind, but both are unique in there own way. Besides that..............Minecraft. (And soon, Starforge) Guild wars 2 is soon too. Beta weekend june 8th =] |


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During eight days of fighting with Hamas forces in November, Israel launched airstrikes that targeted two buildings in Gaza housing local and international news outlets, injuring at least nine journalists. Separate missile attacks killed at least two other journalists. Israeli officials broadly asserted that the individuals and news facilities had connections to terrorist activities but disclosed no substantiation for the allegations. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did not respond to a written request from CPJ seeking information supporting Israel's claims. Israel's press freedom record suffered in other respects, with lawmakers pushing a bill to dramatically increase fines for alleged libel and impose requirements that news media publish responses from plaintiffs. The bill was pending in late year. Israeli forces continued sporadic attacks on Palestinian journalists covering anti-settlement demonstrations in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. In one case, video captured Israeli soldiers beating two Palestinian journalists wearing gear marked "press" at an August demonstration in the town of Kafr Qaddum. In February, Israeli authorities raided two Palestinian television stations and confiscated the outlets' equipment, citing alleged frequency violations. One, Wattan TV, had been funded by U.S. government agencies, prompting the U.S. State Department to join CPJ's calls for the equipment's return. Press freedom deteriorated in the West Bank as well. In April, the Palestinian Authority blocked several websites seen as critical of President Mahmoud Abbas, while detaining two journalists who had covered allegations of official corruption. PA security forces assaulted several journalists covering anti-government protests in July. In the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, assaults and threats against critical journalists continued, and self-censorship prevailed.


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Barry man sleeps rough in London as part of Action for Children fundraiser
8:50am Tuesday 16th October 2012 in News
A BARRY man and his colleagues have raised thousands of pounds for a charity helping young people, by sleeping rough on the streets of London.
Nick Everitt, of Oakfield Road, completed the challenge last Friday night (October 5), in a bid to raise awareness and funds for the charity Action for Children.
"I was one of ten people from my company who took part in an annual event aimed at raising awareness of the plight of young people without homes," said the Logica employee.
"The weather was atrocious with non-stop rain and wind, meaning we couldn't get any sleep in our flooded sleeping bags. "However, we had to brave the elements for only one night - in the hope that vulnerable children do not have to all year round."
It is estimated that more than 100,000 young people are without homes every single night. Almost a third of these will attempt suicide, with many not aware of charities like Action for Children who can provide some assistance.
Dad-of-three Nick added: "Before we took to the streets I was privileged to speak to some of the young children, to hear directly the heart-wrenching stories of circumstances beyond their control that forced them to be homeless.
"We heard about the incredible difference a charity like Action for Children has been able to make to lives across the UK, including here in Wales.
"Needless to say when I returned home the following day, the hugs I received from my wife and children, and the warm and dry bed, were that extra bit special."
Nick, who ran the Cardiff Half Marathon for Cancer Research two years ago, has personally raised just over £500 for Action for Children, contributing to just under £20,000 raised so far by colleagues across his organisation.
Nine teams took part in the 'Byte Night' fundraiser in London, Edinburgh and the Thames Valley.
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Seriously ya'll, where have I been? I need to stop deserting you. I was sort of pouting in my little Lindsay cave because of something that happened. Remember when I said I was super excited because I was running for social chair for my organization? Well guess what? For the first time in my entire life, I didn't win. I guess that should humble me, but in this case I feel like I actually deserved this. Unlike the two chairs that were elected, I actually came to events and know how to be a position on board. UGH. So angry, but what can I say since girls are cliquey. Oh how the world is so messed up. Anyways, I'm done with my funk. Lets see what I've been doing since I last posted.
Friday afternoon I had to go work at the HEB distribution center in San Marcos, Tx. I'm currently enrolled in a class called Food Systems and Management where we have to actually go work in food service locations for two hours at a time, WITHOUT pay, and then report on it. For my first lab experience, my partner and I went here to learn more about procurement and inventory. Unfortunately, I wasn't allowed to take any pictures inside, but this was what the outside looked like. Super intense security because apparently everyone wants to steal groceries? It was actually pretty interesting though. We got to see how different grocery products are stored, where they are sent to, how they handle them when they arrive, and more business stuff. The class is important because for most of us nutrition students we want DIETETICS DIETETICS, but there are other options out there like food service, which is actually one of the most high paying jobs out there!
I FINALLY got to hang out with my friends from my Birthright trip. You don't understand. We went from spending every freaking second of the day together then we go back to the real world where we rarely get to see each other and that is quite depressing. I miss these people like no other. I mean helloooo one of the girl's has an epic fur coat. What is there not to love? Haha it is fake, so don't worry. Apparently it was an 80′s theme party we were at, but none of us got the memo. Typical.
Yes, I have been nomming on some epic Lindsay oatmeal. Right here we have some blueberry cheesecake oats with a sprinkle of chocolate chips. Mmm. So freaking good. In Israel I wasn't as happy in the mornings because I never got to eat oatmeal. I tried some "oatmeal" one morning at the breakfast, but it was so disgusting and was pretty much pure soup that I stayed away from it for the rest of the trip. My days are so much better when I have Lindsay oatmeal. Everyone should get on that train.
I recently checked out a lot of books from the Austin Public library. Mainly cookbooks and health related books. I copied down some recipes, so hopefully I will have some successful posts coming soon on recipes I used. Unfortunately, I did make a recipe from a hungry girl book involving tofu shirataki and let me tell you I HAVE NO IDEA HOW PEOPLE EAT THAT STUFF. It makes me want to vomit. Power to you people that have the skills to digest that gummy nasty stuff because you would have to pay me a lot to eat it and I mean A LOT.
Tomorrow is going to be a fun day. After my boring technical writing class, I get to go to a private sewing lesson. I'm going to be making an apron out of this super cute fabric. Hopefully it turns out like what I picture in my head, but I am just a beginning designer, so ya'll shall see in my post tomorrow. Also after my lesson, I get to go work at a elderly home. Weeeee. Sort of, but not really. It is for that Food Systems class, and this time we are learning about meal planning and actually get to assist in meal planning there, which will be pretty fun because that is what I like most about nutrition. Fooooood and recipes. Eventually I have to study, but that is for nerds (hahah I know I am a nerd and we all know I'll have my face buried in a book when I get home from that).
BTW has anyone ever listened to White Panda? They do really cool mash-ups, that I'm sort of addicted to right now. They are great to have on your workout playlist to get you pumped up! Have a fab Monday!
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What if you consider research in investment because you can then apply for a patent and thus get a return on your investment? Not having patents may lead to less research from private companies, because their ideas would be stolen as soon as they make a product.
As an example, Philips and the Carminat group used to develop GPS-based navigation systems in the nighties, when it was hard and expensive. Not sure they got much back, as when things started picking up hardware was becoming cheaper and more powerful and the Philips navigation looked rather like LWN.net (old-style, though high quality) while the others more like to Google+ (latest AJAX beauty, but content needs sorting) ;-)
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Posted Jul 5, 2012 14:57 UTC (Thu) by felixfix (subscriber, #242) [Link]
I said "mainly" for that second reason, but that's not true. Mainly I despise patents and copyrights because the boundaries are so vague as to open up all the abuse we have seen. Steve Jobs took it as a personal affront that Google would dare challenge the iPhone, and Apple now doesn't seem inclined to stop the systemic abuse he started. They are not the first, of course. Any gain to society due to patents is surely far outweighed by all these crazy lawsuits. Oracle and the phone wars are just the latest manifestation. Copyrights are no better, not only because it's impossible to be definitive as to the difference between fair use and plagiarism, "inspired by", "based on", and so on. But worse is that music especially has always been inspired by other music. To think it proper to lock up music for 75 years after the writer dies is just bizarre.
Copyrights especially offend me for the idea that someone can write a song and lock up royalties for 75 years after he dies. It's an interesting income-redistribution scheme, but it's hardly beneficial to anyone, especially not society.
Posted Jul 5, 2012 23:56 UTC (Thu) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]
When competitors merely copy instead of working their own innovations, they do not have the same solid background of understanding and cannot use the copied knowledge to leapfrog the originator.
I assume you're implying that a competitor will innovate instead of copy because of this. I don't see why - you can make a great business out of copying, because even if your production expenses are higher and your quality lower than if you had invented it yourself, you're saving a ton of money on the inventing.
Further, the harder the research that produced the patent, the more important the patent, so we are told, but this also means that copying is that much harder too
I don't see the connection between hardness of research and of copying.
I believe there exist very profitable businesses in copying without innovating, either by crooks or by offshore people not subject to patents.
The best example I can think of is a drug. It typically costs $200 million dollars to invent one -- doing all the testing required to prove it is safe and effective, and the copier can skip all of that and generate the same molecule. The inventor would need a 10-20 year head start get that investment back and the copier can probably be on the market in a less than a year. So which would you choose, if you legally could: to be an inventor or a copier?
As for innovation existing before patents did, I don't think anyone is arguing lack of patents would extinguish all innovation, and that doesn't help with the question, "would people innovate as much today if there weren't patents as they do with them?"
Posted Jul 15, 2012 17:19 UTC (Sun) by steffen780 (guest, #68142) [Link]
Posted Jul 15, 2012 19:35 UTC (Sun) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]
You've got the question, or more accurately the burden of proof, the wrong way round.
Well, the question I stated is in fact the question that came up in this thread, that we would like to answer, so I don't know what conversation you're trying to have here.
(The question I assume you're referring to is what I worded in the last sentence of the post to which you replied: "would people innovate as much today if there weren't patents as they do with them?")
The patent people and their apologists want a superficially ridiculous monopoly on ideas (ie. on part of people's brains).
I believe you're setting up a straw man here. I don't believe a significant number of patent apologists claim that. Virtually everyone I see says the superficially ridiculous monoplies on trivial ideas that are happening in the current patent system are wrong. IBM, which has been granted more US patents than any other inventor in each of the last ten or so years, has called for patent reform. I believe IBM has said it would prefer a system in which, among other things, IBM got only a fraction of that number (because most of IBM's patents are trash just like everybody else's).
It's not superficially ridiculous to say that some innovation is motivated only by the possibility of recouping investment through the use of a patent. So I don't see any reason to place the burden of proof of whether that's true on the "yes" side. And it's possible no studies exist because it's too obvious.
Posted Jul 16, 2012 16:56 UTC (Mon) by steffen780 (guest, #68142) [Link]
I'm trying to get patent opponents to take a much more aggressive stance, which IMHO includes attempting to get the idea across that it is not on us to disprove patents. Of course if someone does that, that's also great, but in terms of philosophy and constitutional law I think it is a very important point.
> Virtually everyone I see says the superficially ridiculous monoplies on trivial ideas that are happening in the current patent system are wrong.
Sorry we've got a misunderstanding here - I wasn't referring just to trivial ideas. I was referring to all patents. I also wasn't calling trivial patents superficially ridiculous, I was referring to the whole system of government-granted monopolies.
> It's not superficially ridiculous to say that some innovation is motivated only by the possibility of recouping investment through the use of a patent. So I don't see any reason to place the burden of proof of whether that's true on the "yes" side. And it's possible no studies exist because it's too obvious.
Of course some innovation is motivated solely by the hope of extracting profit from a government-granted monopoly. As you say, that's just obvious. The question is whether these monopolies are a net benefit for overall society: a) Whether they do cause a net increase in innovation. b) If so, whether the benefits of that increase outweigh the damage caused by the monopolies (e.g. effectively prohibiting free software in the mobile sector, or unavailability of drugs in poor countries, or sucking competent engineers out of actually innovating and making them patent officers - after all, only someone competent in the field can accurately judge the level of innovation). c) If not, whether something can be done to reduce the damage, so that the benefits outweigh the damage.
Since monopolies generally are terrible for a capitalist society (after all, how can market forces work when there is no market?) the burden of proof that ideas are an exception clearly lies on the people who want the monopolies. To my knowledge (admittedly, I haven't looked hard at all) no study exists to support the claim that the patent system is beneficial. However, there have been studies that claim to have shown that the patent system causes net damage.
Posted Jul 16, 2012 19:55 UTC (Mon) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]
The question is whether these monopolies are a net benefit for overall society:
I'm about as great a supporter of free market capitalism as there are, and even I wouldn't say monopolies are superficially ridiculous. I had to be taught by scholars to hate them.
Incidentally, by referring to patents qua patents as monopolies on ideas, you construct a strawman argument even if we exclude the trivial ones, because patents were never intended to be, and don't have to be, monopolies on ideas. I was in a patent law class that spent the whole first day stressing, "you can't patent an idea; you can only patent an invention." And the words ring in my ears, "An invention is a an idea reduced to practice." Edison, who kind of epitomizes invention, said it as, "invention is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration," where the perspiration is what the patent stops other people from exploiting for free.
I'm not a patent lawyer, but it sure seems to me modern patent examiners took a different class. I've never been able to reconcile what I learned in that class from what's actually happening. But anyway, the point is that it's conceivable a patent system could exist that doesn't grant monopolies on ideas, so you can't attack patents just by attacking the concept of monopolies on ideas.
Posted Jul 16, 2012 21:08 UTC (Mon) by nybble41 (subscriber, #55106) [Link]
The problem with this reasoning is that the patent doesn't cover a _specific_ device or instance of a process, it covers all devices or all processes which happen to implement the ideas described in the patent. The monopoly isn't granted over a concrete good or service, or even exact copies, but over the _idea_ which encompasses all similar goods and services.
It would be true enough to say that the patent is _infringed_ by reducing the patented idea to practice, without a license. An abstract concept cannot infringe; for that you must build a device, or implement a process, based on the same idea. However, it is the idea which the patent monopolizes.
Or I suppose you could say that a patent grants you a monopoly over _other_ people's inventions, superseding (and infringing on) their own property rights, if those inventions happen to include a reduction to practice of the idea described in the patent. However, that puts patents in such an obviously bad light that their proponents would probably rather just say that patents cover ideas in the first place.
Posted Jul 16, 2012 21:46 UTC (Mon) by dlang (✭ supporter ✭, #313) [Link]
If the idea described in the patent is very general then you have a problem.
i.e. if the patent is "how to cure rubber" it's bad
But if the idea described in the patent is specific, it can be worthwhile and doesn't prevent other people from achieving the same result through different means
i.e. if the patent is "how to cure rubber by following this process for calculating how much heat you apply to the rubber" it can be good.
This doesn't prevent someone else from inventing another way to cure rubber, they just can't use that specific approach to the problem. If they come up with a different way of calculating how much heat to apply, that can be worth a second patent.
Posted Jul 16, 2012 22:13 UTC (Mon) by steffen780 (guest, #68142) [Link]
Copyright is for protecting the perspiration - patents protect the inspiration. I'm not a big fan of copyright either, but I suppose I could conceive a copyright system that would at least be worth considering, but whilst a patent system satisfying my constraint a) might be conceivable, I cannot see one that satisfies b), not even with c).
Take medicines as an example - why should a company be barred from taking your patent, doing all the safety studies and so on (thereby doing the perspiration), and then selling the drug? Sure it'd be inefficient, but these kind of inefficiencies are a given in capitalism. Its point is competition - who can do the same task most efficiently.
Posted Jul 18, 2012 3:25 UTC (Wed) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]
If someone else has the same inspiration independently and also does all the perspiration, they're still legally prohibited from profiting from it.
I believe that is only for reasons of practicality. The principle of patents does not require that independent invention be considered a patent infringement (quite the opposite), but we know it would be extremely difficult to tell whether someone's invention was independent if the work happened after the patent holder's work was published.
I don't see that as an essential part of patents; if the law merely presumed a post-patent practice of the invention was a copy and allowed the second inventor to prove it was independent, that would still be a patent system. My point is that this quirk of patents isn't enough to oppose the entire concept.
Incidentaly, assuming a patent system does not grant patents for obvious inventions, there isn't really much incentive for re-inventing. If Pfizer knows that Merck can and will spend $100M to duplicate Pfizer's $100M invention, Pfizer will offer to license it to Merck for $50M and both companies win.
Posted Aug 3, 2012 21:50 UTC (Fri) by steffen780 (guest, #68142) [Link]
Posted Aug 5, 2012 3:06 UTC (Sun) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]
Patents without assuming that independent discovery was a copy are pointless. We have copyright for that.
How do you figure? The point of patents is to protect inventions, which is something copyright can't do, because it protects only expressions. How do you suppose copyright would stop Merck from manufacturing and selling a drug that Pfizer invented? Assume that Pfizer could prove Merck learned how from Pfizer's paper on the subject, so that independent discovery is not an issue.
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PSE had a big presence as always with their giant semi-truck parked in the middle of the show floor.
NAP's new signage features all of their new products for 2012. Some of the best in the industry!
For when you need to play music in the woods, yet remain undetected!
It's like regular Scent Killer, only better! This time it doesn't just kill the scent, it's buries it in a shallow grave!
The NAP booth was hopping all three days thanks to the buzz surrounding the new Killzone broadhead.
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The food staff is hard at work serving up delicious and not at all overpriced food to hard working show attendees.
Lots of new stuff to see at the DDW booth this year.
Chris Brackett showing off the signature sideburns while talking to a couple fans. Booyah baby!
The Hoyt booth is always a hot spot of attention at the ATA Show.
The autograph party at ScentBlocker's booth is always the hot place to hang out. With stars like Pat Reeve & Nicole Jones and the Drury brother its easy to see why.
The folks over at The Block are always set up to shoot a new Block commercial. Here's a few guys in front of the green screen.
Scott Shultz, President of Robinson Outdoor Products, talking over some of the new product offerings for 2012 with a show attendee.
As always, Sitka Gear was on hand to show off their innovative line of hunting apparel.
Lakewood Products make a great selection of high-quality bow, arrow and archery accessory cases.
Lee & Tiffany were busy as always, signing autographs and talking with fans.
Morrell had several great new targets on display including this Mathews-branded model
The flextone booth was busy as well, with show attendees looking over their new line of game calls.
Ralph & Vicki Cianciarulo talk over things with Michelle Eichler.
Jay & Tammi Gregory, hosts of The Wild Outdoors, signing autographs during the 2012 ATA Show.
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John Dudley of Nock On TV filming a commercial for Block targets.
Michael Hunsucker & Shawn Luchtel with Heartland Bowhunter, signing autographs at the Bushnell booth.
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Articles in the October 2009 Issue
- A Note from Sandra
- 2009 October Data Survey – Due November 10th
2009 Verification of Applications for School Meal Benefits
– Due February 1st or Sooner - CANS Welcomes Julie McCord
- Building for the Future with the CACFP
- Kids in the Kitchen
- Kids on the Move
- South Dakota Food Distribution Newsletter October 2009
- Nacho Cheese Machines…DID YOU KNOW?
- National School Lunch Week Reminder
- Other Helpful Newsletter Links
- Resource Mailings
- Fun with Foodella
Whew! What a month – and it was busy so it went by in a hurry.
We received clarification from US Department of Agriculture that if anyone in the household is on TANF, SNAP, or FDPIR, then all the children in that household (economic unit) are eligible for free meals. The person receiving benefits does not have to be a child, and if it is a child, the child does not have to be enrolled in school.
We were very pleased to receive word that South Dakota was awarded $350,000 over a two-year period for the Team Nutrition Grant. We will once again be offering mini-grants for gardening and fun fruit & vegetable events, special tours (similar to the Power Panther tour), challenging role models in school and community, and planning a special event to motivate schools for a healthy school environment.
How are you incorporating legumes (the dried beans and peas) into your meals? They are nutrient dense, low fat, and tasty. Most agencies serve chili occasionally – that's a start! Some serve bean burritos – another good step. Have you offered some choices such as 3-bean salad, cowboy caviar, chickpeas on the salad bar, pasta salads that include beans, soups that include beans, peas, or lentils? Keep working to incorporate them into your menus and share your successful recipes.
Soon you will be decorating for harvest time or Halloween. Make it fun and make it healthy!
There's no traffic jam on the extra mile! (from Kaplan's Smiles)
2009 October Data Survey – Due November 10th
This year's October Data Survey memo was dated September 11, 2009. There have been no changes made to the October Data Survey process. The survey must be returned to CANS by November 10th to assure the October claim for reimbursement will be processed without any delays. Remember information MUST be broken out by elementary grades, middle school grades, and high school grades and should match the attendance centers you listed in Part 1, (F), Site Summary of your annual agreement. Be sure to read the instructions which are included in the September 11th memo. No one is exempt from completing the October Data Survey.
South Dakota Child and Adult Nutrition Services (CANS) gathers data each October which is a compilation of numbers for the month of October only. The information from this survey is used for many purposes and is required by federal regulation. The information is used for selecting sites to be visited during the school food authority's review, determines site eligibility for the School Breakfast Program severe need option, Summer Food Service Program, and Daycare Home tier level. It is also used for reporting prices paid by children in our state for breakfast and lunch in the annual report to the American School Food Service Association, for data in response to questions by Congress and USDA, and reporting site eligibility to the National Center for Education Statistics for the core summary data. Several programs use the data including determination of e-rate and need for various title programs and grants.
2009 Verification of Applications for School Meal Benefits
– Due February 1st or Sooner
Memo NSLP 51.3 is the reference for the annual verification process. The memo is available on the CANS website under Quick Links at http://doe.sd.gov/oess/cans/nslp/index.asp. All SFAs must complete the 742SD Summary Form which can be found on the last page of NSLP Memo #51.3. The summary form will be due to CANS by February 1st. Schools are encouraged to send in their summary form immediately following the verification process which ends by November 15th.
NSLP 51.3 requires local education agencies (LEAs) to use the Basic verification method unless they meet criteria for Alternate method. While LEAs should verify questionable applications, they cannot choose to verify 100% of the applications on file. Be sure to use the updated Verification Summary Report form 742SD which can be found as the last page of NSLP 51.3 when reporting the required data to CANS.
October 1st is the date schools must count how many applications they have on file for the free and reduced meal benefits. Please refer to the dates that the LEA submitted to CANS in the annual Child Nutrition Program Agreement, Attachment E, to be sure the verification process is completed by the deadline of November 15th. Refer to NSLP 51.3 for proper procedures and prototype letters and forms to send to families.
What is the purpose of the verification process? State agencies must report the SFA level data to the USDA Food and Nutrition Services. The information is submitted to USDA using school or agency names so accuracy is important. Submission of the SFA data will enable State agencies and Food and Nutrition Services (FNS) to better understand certification errors and to improve oversight activities. This will help ensure that free and reduced price subsidized meals are provided only to eligible children.
CANS Welcomes Julie McCord
Hello my name is Julie McCord and I started with the CANS staff on May 26, just in time to meet many of you at Child Nutrition Institute in Sioux Falls. I have been working with the Summer Food Service Program and will be working with The Emergency Food Assistance Program as my training continues. I grew up in Kimball, South Dakota as a very active 4-H member which eventually led me to pursuing degrees in computers and Family and Consumer Science/Home Economics Education. I have been a teacher for the majority of my career and most recently a Family and Consumer Science Extension Educator with South Dakota State University Cooperative Extension Service. My husband, Jim and I have recently celebrated 15 years of marriage and have enjoyed making our home in Pierre, fishing, walking our dog, and meeting our new neighbors. I look forward to getting to know each of you more as I work with you in these programs.
Building for the Future with the CACFP
Child Care Resources:
The National Child Care Information and Technical Assistance Center (NCCIC) Library collection contains over 20,000 summaries and availability information for published documents of interest to policymakers, administrators, practitioners, researchers and other members of the child care community. Links to full-text publications about child care and school-age issues are provided when available. You can find the library at: http://nccic.acf.hhs.gov/library/index.cfm?do=oll.search.
Production Records Quiz Show:
In an attempt to help you avoid the most common errors we see during CACFP reviews we are using this as a way to educate agencies on the requirements for production records in the CACFP that are most commonly found as errors during program reviews.
Did you know?
• That you need to record specific information in the Quantities Prepared column. This information must be measurable (e.g. recording 1 loaf it not specific and measurable; you need to record the weight of that loaf)
• That you need to complete the leftover column when you are going to serve those leftovers at another meal.
• That you must record the number of children in each age group and the number of adult meals that you served for every meal that you claim for reimbursement
• That you may not claim adult meals.
Check back next month for more Quiz Show learning.
Homemade Tortilla Chips
Source: Physical Activities
and Healthy Snacks for Young Children
5 whole wheat tortillas
Salt Free Herb Blend:
5 teaspoons onion powder
2½ teaspoons garlic powder
2½ teaspoons sweet paprika
1½ teaspoons dry mustard
1½ teaspoons thyme
1 teaspoon black pepper
¼ teaspoon celery seed
1 teaspoon cayenne pepper
Combine ingredients and mix well. Spoon into a shaker. Makes 1/3 cup.
Spray light coating of cooking oil or water on 5 whole wheat tortillas. Sprinkle herb mixture on the tortillas. Cut each tortilla into 8 wedges. Spread in one layer on a baking sheet. Bake at 400 degrees for 8 to 10 minutes or until crispy.
Provides 1 grain/bread for CACFP Snack for 1-5 year olds
Calories, 80; Fiber, .8 g; Total Fat, 1.7 g; Saturated Fat, .4 g.
Snack Idea (1-5 year olds):
4 chips with hummus and a glass of water
Locomotor Skills
Source: Physical Activities and
Healthy Snacks for Young Children
Arrange the children in a scatter formation so all children can see you.
Locomotor skills are walking, running, jumping, hopping, galloping, sliding, and skipping. Hopping is a jump taking off from one foot and landing on that foot. In galloping the same foot is always in the front (leading). Skipping is step-hop, step-hop.
Have children move around the areas using each skill. Emphasize moving under control, so children don't fall or bump into each other. Begin with walking, then progress to running, jumping, and so forth. The skills listed become progressively more difficult. You may have to help by holding a child's hand hopping or demonstrating and practicing sliding, galloping, or skipping. Children begin these skills at the following ages: walk (12 months), run, hop, and jump (24 months), gallop, slide, and skip (36 months).
South Dakota Food Distribution Newsletter October 2009
It has been a very busy month. Net Off Invoicing (NOI) has been a major part of the month. We have been busy with conference calls and meetings. To say the pilot program is rolling is a good way to start. The small group of schools that are working with the piloting of NOI are working with their distributors to make sure the distributor has the correct USDA Foods, (formerly commodities), on hand and available for the school's use. We here in the state office have been working with the schools and processors to make sure an allotment of USDA Foods is available at each processor for the schools to draw down. Once the school and their distributor have product finalized, the school will be able to place orders and receive their USDA Foods processed items. After the schools have received their orders they will go to a website to verify their order and entitlement are correct. After verification their entitlement will be reduced by the amount of Donated Food Value (DF) they have used.
Beef – USDA has informed us that our next four shipments of A608 Beef will be postponed due to purchasing problems on their end. We will not be able to have beef for schools until the December order from what we have been told at this time.
Beef – We have been notified that P106A Premium Beef Patties will be short for the first week of deliveries. We are expecting a load in but have been notified our requested delivery time has been postponed. This will affect the first week of delivery schools and may affect the second if delivery is postponed again. I will keep you posted as I hear.
Manifest – We have been trying to find a way to notify schools of what we are out of prior to the school receiving their USDA Food shipment. We were able to fax each school their manifest for their October delivery on Friday, September 18. We are working to find other ways to get the information to each school more efficiently for future manifests. As this process proceeds we will be asking for your feedback and letting you know how we are working to implement the new ideas. Some of the ideas we are looking at would include the faxing method and placing the manifest on a website.
B545 Brown Rice – If you had ordered Brown Rice for October delivery please let me know if you have any problems with it. One of the schools had noticed bugs in the bag of rice they had received. Contact Mark Moen at firstname.lastname@example.com as soon as you notice that you have problems with any of the USDA Foods that you have received from us.
DELIVERY - No deliveries on October 12 due to Columbus/Native American Day.
Nacho Cheese Machines…DID YOU KNOW?
Do you have a nacho cheese machine? Here is some information from the South Dakota Department of Health regarding temperatures and storage.
The cheese sauce is a shelf-stable product, meaning it has been pasteurized much like Velveeta cheese and can be stored at room temperature indefinitely without being opened. After the product is opened and hot held it would then fall under a ready to eat potentially hazardous food and require proper hot and cold holding temperatures - at 140 degrees or above or below 41 degrees. When reusing a ready to eat potentially hazardous food that is cold held at 41 degrees or below, it must be reheated to 165 degrees or higher.
The product then must be hot held at 140 degrees and can be reused indefinitely, as long as the proper reheat, hot and cold temperatures are maintained. The product can be held for 7 days if stored at 41 degrees or lower without being reheated to 165 degrees or higher. If the product is removed from the hot holding or dispensing machine and placed in refrigeration, it would need to be reheated to a temperature of 165 degrees before serving. It could then be held at the 140 degrees hot holding temperature until removed from the dispenser and again cooled to 41 degrees and the 7 day holding period would start over. The quality of the food may be in question, but the safety would not be in question.
Bottom line is, once the product is opened it should be hot held at 140 degrees or higher until used or discarded. If the product has been opened and heated, then cooled and held at 41 degrees or lower, the product must be used within 7 days or discarded.
If the nacho cheese machine only goes to 125 degrees, a new one capable of maintaining a hot holding temperature 140 degrees should be purchased.
National School Lunch Week Reminder
The week of October 12th to the 16th is National School Lunch Week. The theme selected by the School Nutrition Association to celebrate National School Lunch Week is titled, "All-Star School Lunch".
CANS strongly encourages all schools to become involved with the 2009 National School Lunch Week promotion. When you get excited about school meals your students will enjoy and appreciate your efforts. If you take pictures of your NSLW promotions be sure to send some copies to share with either CANS or Eric Kunzweiler, publication editor for the SNA of SD newsletter. Eric can be reached at 605-334-2808.
Other Helpful Newsletter Links
Following is some information about various other newsletters that you may find helpful.
WOW -- Working on Wellness Newsletter
The Department of Health, released its first issue of the WOW --Working on Wellness--Newsletter. The newsletter contains articles from various chronic disease programs that are in the Office of Health Promotion.
It is posted on the workplace page of the HealthySD.gov website. http://www.healthysd.gov/Workplace/PDF/WOW-SUMMER2009.pdf
In the Summer issue:
High Blood Pressure
BeFreeSD-Did You Know?
Oral Health
The September issue of the Coordinated School Health News Infused is now available at: http://doe.sd.gov/oess/schoolhealth/newsinfused/09/09/index.htm
Main Page stories include:
• SD Schools Walk
• School Height and Weight Data Collection
• School Health Profiles
• H1N1 Action Plan
Inside this issue are:
• Professional Development Opportunities – Health Education Curriculum Analysis Tool (HECAT) Training
• Upcoming Events – Go For the Whole Grain Healthy Challenge
Special Note: You may also be interested in proposed policy change that will affect health and physical education in grades 9-12. Click on the following link for information on the proposed high school graduation requirements - http://doe.sd.gov/. Currently students are required to take either .5 credit of health or physical education to graduate from high school. Under the new proposed requirements, this would become optional for students. The first reading of the proposed rule will be at the SD Board of Education meeting September 29-30.
Food Reflections
FOOD REFLECTIONS is a FREE monthly e-mail newsletter for health professionals, educators and consumers. It's published by University of Nebraska Cooperative Extension in Lancaster County. Each issue provides a short, "how-to" message on food, nutrition, or food safety. FOOD REFLECTIONS is written by Alice Henneman, extension educator and registered dietitian.
Lately, we've been hearing how important handwashing is in preventing the flu! Here's a collection on ONE Web page of 12 informative (and frequently FUNNY!) videos that promote handwashing and how to avoid spreading germs. Plus a link to FREE downloadable handwashing posters and other materials.
Here's the link to start watching the videos and get the FREE materials: http://lancaster.unl.edu/food/handwashing-videos.shtml
Subscribing, changing e-mail address or leaving Food Reflections http://lancaster.unl.edu/food/subscribe-FR.shtml
Alice Henneman, MS, RD, Extension Educator
University of Nebraska-Lincoln Extension in Lancaster County
444 Cherrycreek Rd., Ste. A, Lincoln, NE 68528 USA
Fax: 402/441-7148
Web site: http://lancaster.unl.edu/food
View "Fresh from the Farmers' Market" video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkTS5CrA34U
YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/alicehenneman
Twitter: http://twitter.com/alicehenneman
Resource Mailing
The CDs for the recently updated Menu Planner for Healthy School Meals and the Food Buying Guide are here and are in the process of being mailed out to schools. USDA is no longer providing printed copies. Print as many copies as you would like. These resources can also be accessed on the web at: http://teamnutrition.usda.gov/Resources/foodbuyingguide.html and http://teamnutrition.usda.gov/Resources/menuplanner.html.
Also included in the mailing will be copies of Cooks for Kids, a series of nine 30 minute training programs (on CD) showcasing the fact that children should have access to healthy food and be able to make healthy choices wherever they are – at home, in school, and in the community.
Developed by the National Food Service Management Institute and filmed in restaurants, schools, and homes throughout the country, Cooks for Kids demonstrates tested techniques of preparing and serving healthful, appealing foods.
Fun with Foodella is a nutrition education activity book designed specifically for second grade students. Second grade teachers should use this book to help strengthen nutrition education in their classrooms. Activity books can be ordered by calling Shar Venjohn, Child & Adult Nutrition Services, at 605-773-3413.
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Mazell(Hawkins)Stafford'45-'55Re: ~99-02 GHOSTS 99-02~Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:27am188.8.131.52 (XFF: 22.214.171.124)Before you got there, there had been lots of structure, way too much actually. I left way before Fondren was built, although I had met Mrs. Fondren several times. When I was there, there were no suicides & as far as I know, no attempts. Believe me, if something like that had happened, everyone on campus would have known within a very short time. We often knew stuff like that before some of the adults. Back then, Williams, Bridwell, Tom Mitchell, Youngblood, Cora Lee DeShong, Harry Merideth were all boy's dorms (that's what they were each built & dedicated for. Howard was sometimes a boy's dorm & sometimes a girls. Just a bit of history there....Mazie
~99-02 GHOSTS 99-02~ 99-02, Wed Jun 28 1:17amWhat is up? Does anyone remember that guy that took his life in Fonderin? That was so crazy. After that everytime we went in there we just knew it was haunted. We'd lock ppl. in the closets and... more
ghosts Anonymous, Sat Jun 6 11:25amthat guy that took his life was khaleb biskrat and he is definately no joke. not to be upset but please be careful how you talk about one of the best people that came from the home. R.I.P KHALEB!
ghost Kristina 99-02, Tue Nov 7 4:21pmIn response to the girl in the red dress...i had never even heard of that and when i was living in harry merideth i saw her in my room. (The biggest room on the left side of the house) Nobody really... more
Ghost John Voelker 85-89, Sat Nov 11 1:48pmI lived in Harry Merdith for about 3 years and i don't recall any girl in a red dress walking around of course we were the roudiest bunch on campus so thats probly why no ghost wanted to hang out in... more
John Voelker Tania Lytle- Cochran 89-92, Tue Nov 14 8:51amHey John, how r u? It's been a long time. Good to see ur still around. Talk to anyone lately from our time? Send me an email and let me know what you've been up to all these years and how life has... more Hey John Bridget Otte 85-88, Mon Nov 13 2:29pmDo you remember me? We were obviously at the home at the same time. I dated Jacques. Graduated 1988? Bridget Otte
Hey Bridget John Voelker, Sat Nov 18 9:43amYes I do rember you a little bit how life treating you are you still in texas i live in San Diego Ca. its nice but cost way to much to live here well let me know how thing are going
Bridget & John Robert (Nichols) Tibbs 87-91, Mon Mar 3 3:53pmThis is Robert I lived with Jaques and john and a whole bunch of other guys drop me an email. nothing strange Scott McKee 88-92, Wed Nov 8 12:53amNow I lived in Harry Merideth for a very very long time...As well as all the other assorted Homeunits at one time or another. (Very rare, I think to get bounced around like that) I never once saw... more
Re: nothing strange Anonymous, Thu Nov 9 11:54amHouse do leave behind spirits at times. When people don't know they are dead, died violently or just like to haunt us. Have fun and keep bringing the stories in.....
Re: ~99-02 GHOSTS 99-02~ Anonymous, Tue Oct 24 3:32pmKaleb Bishrat was a very special person and I think about him alot. He was the first person to be nice to me when I first arrived at MCH. His death was very hard on all the seniors of Dorothy- they... more
Kaleb 88-89, Fri Jun 18 8:18amWhat happened to Kaleb?
Kaleb Bishrat David '88-'89, Wed Jun 23 12:01pmI was in the same homeunit ith Kaleb. He was a couple years younger than me and we were friends. I have read that he passed away. Can anyone tell me what happened? Re: ~99-02 GHOSTS 99-02~ Anonymous, Wed Jan 10 2:20pmSo, was Fondren a guys home unit in the late 90's? When we lived there it was where we stayed while they evaluated us to see what home unit we would go to. Wonder why they kept changing up the... more
- Re: ~99-02 GHOSTS 99-02~ Mazell(Hawkins)Stafford'45-'55, Fri Oct 20 10:27am
I remember ghost in Bridwell Charles Davis 1999- 2003, Thu Oct 19 11:28pmOur wahing machines always mysteriously stopped and lifted up the top and open the dryer doors. One time we left the tv on and we came back too a white fuzzy screen with the volume turned all the way ... more
memories 96-01, Thu Jul 27 2:17pmHello! My name is Greg and I do remember the tragedy when Kalabe took his own life there. I'm not sure if you remember but a little after that they moved the pit to the basement of Fonderin. I was... more
Re: memories Jennie Barnett-Owen 89-91, Sat Oct 21 12:59amWhat was the Pit? And what is SWACADAS?
Re: ~99-02 GHOSTS 99-02~ Ruthie Lord 93-95, Thu Jun 29 10:13amI knew the boy that took his life in Fonderin. His name was Caleb. I wasn't living at the home when it happened but heard about it from friends and my old home parents. He was a real sweet guy.
Re: ~99-02 GHOSTS 99-02~ Claudia, Mon Jan 8 8:43pmHey My name is claudia and I don't now if you know me but your name sounds familiar I was staying at Perkins Home Unit on the year 93-95 And I know Caleb do you mind telling me alittle about it?
was this for real Amy Warner 85-89, Thu Jun 29 2:36amLol...I am sorry guys but was this post for real?Ok and what year did this kid do away with hiself in fondren?We didnt seem to have any problems with people leaving stuff behind or any ghost that i... more
Re: was this for real Jennie Barnett-Owen 89-91, Sat Oct 21 12:56amI had no idea about ghosts in the homeunits! I was already a scared girl living in a new place at 16 and I had enough ghosts of my own to deal with if you know what I mean. I would have fainted if I... more


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