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Brazos Valley This Morning's Barbara Smith and Steve Fullhart often have quite the discussions on a variety of topics. A lot of times, it's via e-mail. Now, they're giving KBTX.com readers a look at their regular back and forth in their blog series, appropriately titled "Back & Forth". Read what they've been chatting about, and chime in with your opinions!
BARBARA: Okay, Steve, you've mentioned it vaguely several times now. We all know you're working on something "special" for this year's Ladies Nite...any clues? Any hints? You're going to be Wayne Newton, aren't you? Working on some special Ferris Bueller-esque song?
STEVE: I can certainly confirm I will not be taking on the role of Mr. Newton, although "Danke Schoen" might be an appropriate song.
No, I will be taking on the role of Siegfried of "Siegfried and Roy" fame. My partner in crime (and magic) will be Jordan Meserole, our former chief photographer and current B/CS Chamber of Commerce employee. I don't know why I need to explain who Jordan is to you...maybe someone else will read this e-mail and not know him.
This will easily be my toughest and biggest role ever at a Ladies' Nite. Not going to lie...I'm a little nervous...
BARBARA: But you'll be in full costume, right? So there's a chance the ladies won't automatically know it's you? You can hide behind that great mullet wig of yours! Still don't know what ever possessed you to make that purchase in the first place, but it certainly has been put to good use with Ladies Nite acts.
As you know, I'm a big fan of Ladies Nite. It's so much fun to see all the ladies get all dressed up (still amazed at some of those outfits from 80s nite two years ago!!!) and let their hair down (for those who have hair that goes down...my sticks out and up...I digress). But truly my favorite part has always been seeing how the men in our community -- fine, upstanding businessmen -- are willing to completely humiliate themselves just to make sure we ladies have a great evening. I won't mention names specifically, but let's just say I will never in my life forget the year "Prince" leapt off the stage and stuck the landing in high heels!!! You know who you are...and you're my hero! Not many guys OR girls could do that!
So to all the ladies who are considering whether or not to attend, please do. It's always great fun and a good networking opportunity (if you feel like you need to bring business into it...personally, I'd just go for the fun of it).
And to all the men -- Steve included -- THANK YOU for putting yourselves out there for one night and providing us with a year's worth of laughter.
So Siegfried, does that boost your confidence at all?
STEVE: No. No, it does not.
BARBARA: Fine. So just go with the knowledge that I will be there to laugh at you. But, I tried to be nice about it. Now, I'll point and laugh. Before, I wasn't going to point.
STEVE: I can guarantee that people will be laughing a lot. I will also guarantee that come the Monday after the big night, people in attendance will want to tune in to the morning show. They will have seen something at Ladies' Nite that will have them watching BVTM Monday for a follow up. I may be injured. There may be bandages. But it will have people talking. And it will be worth it. SOOOOOO worth it!
BARBARA: So that should help with your courage issues...the knowledge that you're bringing joy and laughter to a room full of women. Sure, you may get hurt in the process, but it's all in a day's work.
You know, I think immediately following this, we should have a bachelor auction and put you and Shel up on the block. Now, THAT could be a great fundraiser! You wanna get people talking? That could do it! :)
STEVE: I believe once a year is quite enough for me to fight through my stage fright and other related issues, thank you very much.
For more information on the B/CS Chamber of Commerce's annual event, go to bcschamber.org. The event is Friday, July 16, so get your tickets now.


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I tried XL over a year ago, and they weren't interested at all.
I tried XL over a year ago, and they weren't interested at all.
That's incredibly depressing to me.
Anyone feel like trying again? Persistance is a good thing. It could be pitched as a promotional tool for Vampire Weekend's new album. Any way to distribute the music in a new, exciting way is good marketing.
So long, farewell, Auf Wiedersehen, good night.
Any chance for early DragonForce. Their first 2 albums "Valley of the Damned" and "Sonic Firestorm" were originally on Noise Records but since the label became defunct, deluxe editions have been released in 2010 via Spinefarm Records.
Given that RBN favourite Amberian Dawn is also on that label, I figured it could be possible.
More Andromeda please? They came out with a new ablum in 2011, "Manifest Tyranny", two of which my favorite songs are:
Antidote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgiQLLb5kGk
Go Back To Sleep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IomymnL71-Y
Like past Andromeda songs, I think they're all fun and interesting on all instruments
I just discovered a cool band through a MLP video The band is Flying Colors... it would be awesome to get some of their stuff
according to Wikipedia their label is Mascot Label Group which does not have its own wiki page so I am not sure if they are possible to get
More Ayreon!
"Fire has other worldly powers" -Lawdog1521
Could anyone get Resilience? They are a side project of one of my favorite bands Akin (whose record label is evil and gave me the strike on my youtube account), but unlike Akin, they are unsigned. Both are prog bands, that are in fact very similar since it is the same genius guitarist behind both. They even have a song featuring Daniel Gildenlöw of Pain of Salvation.
[] Dizzy Mizz Lizzy [] Dover [] Guano Apes [] More Miley Cyrus
[] The Rasmus [] The Veronicas [] More Volbeat
The Story So Far are really making waves in the pop punk scene and have a new album dropping this month. "The Glass" is the lead single.
Vanna is another band with an album coming out this month. Here is "Year Of The Rat" from that.
I Am King Tony - "Stereo Stereo" available on RBN!
IAmKingTony @ Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter
I found out that Bush's most recent album, "The Sea of Memories" is on their own independent record label, Zuma Rock Records via a partnership with independent label E1 Records. (link to site: http://www.eonemusic.com/)
This album is most well known for the single "The Sound of Winter".
Any chances of stuff from this album or from other E1 artists such as:
Black Label Society
Darkest Hour
I still wish we got more Mastodon. Some Opeth would be nice too. I know I'll never play it, but just the knowledge that Opeth has more than one song on RB is enough for me.
My blog. Check it out.

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97 Meetup Groups match "Rock Climbing" near Bloomfield, NJ
Come with Aloha Guides and we'll get you outdoors and active. Learn to rock climb, stand up paddle board or adventure to the mountains. New Jersey is in the center of it all. Aloha Guides is based in New Jersey but we travel all over the tri-state area and the east coast. Our main activities are: Rock Climbing, Stand Up Paddling, Hiking, Ice Climbing, Snowshoeing, Cross County Skiing, Surfing and Mountain Biking. Get out of the house, do something new, get that blood flowing and adventure, surf, …
Do you want to get outdoors and have a great time doing amazing things? Then join us on our next adventure! We love introducing people to all that the great outdoors has to offer! Rock climbing, hiking, backpacking, kayaking, canoeing, rafting, ice climbing, snow shoeing, mountain biking, mountaineering, skiing, herpetology, dendrology, wilderness survival and SO MUCH MORE! We also run some kid friendly adventures! So come out, bring the kids, bring your friends and join us on a great adven …
"This is a group for anyone interested in hiking, rock climbing, camping, kayaking, bouldering, etc. All skills levels are welcome. I started this group because to meet other outdoor enthusiasts. Looking forward to exploring the outdoors with everybody."
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Want some climbing tips? Need a belayer? Looking for climbing partners? Or maybe you just want to meet people that share your love of the rocks? Well then, join the group and meet other local rock climbers! Members of our group meet frequently at rock gyms around Northern NJ and many of our members climb regularly outdoors. Sign up and you'll also have access to our meetup message board and other features that make it easy to do things like contact members, discuss your favorite routes, or find …
ROCK & ICE, yes, its all about ROCK & ICE CLIMBING - We are a volunteer rock climbing and ice climbing group based in New York City and surrounding areas and we do fun rock climbing events during warm seasons out in the Gunks or other climbing/camping areas in New Hampshire, Adirondacks, CT, NJ or even all the way to the West or organize indoor climbing, bouldering events in local rock climbing gyms in NYC And we do ice climbing, alpine climbing, snow climbing, mixed climbing or even glacier cli …
Come rock climbing with us! Meet other climbers from NYC, Westchester, CT and NJ to climb, train, share ideas, plan trips and have fun! Our Meetups are always well attended and new faces quickly become regulars - and there's a reason! Everybody has a great time, whether they're experienced climbers or complete beginners. If you're active, you can climb regardless of age, gender or strength. Rock climbing is a fun sport for everyone! We're based at The Rock Club, New York's newest, largest, …
Hello and welcome to Climb On! Long Island. We are a group of climbers that meet on a weekly basis at Island Rock (IR) in Plainview. Island Rock (an indoor climbing gym)is a great place to learn basic climbing skills and improve your ability for the real thing. Being outdoor enthusiasts, we do a variety of activities which include indoor and outdoor rock climbing, ice climbing, hiking, camping, and backpacking. Interested in joining our group? No experience is needed and your first visit will i …
Do you love climbing and other outdoor adventures? Do you love challenging yourself, and leaning over the edge of your comfort zone? Do you find it hard to separate your love of nature from the environment you wish to preserve or the creatures you wish to let live? Do you wish you could share this with others who "get it"? Welcome to Vedge. I am truly grateful for the friends I have made through this meetup and the adventures we have shared. We seem to attract some of the nicest, most thoug …
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We are a small group of minorities in the climbing community trying to change that fact. If you have ever wanted to try rock climbing and thought "My people don't do this" or "I am probably going to be the only [race/color] person here", you are not alone. If you are already a minority climber then this meetup will be a way for you to find more people of color to climb with. So whether black, yellow, purple, white, or blue come out and hang with us, climb, have fun and build the community.
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It can be hard to find partners if your free time is during the day. Lets use this group not only for the regular meetings on Fridays, but as a gathering place for partner-finding. Take each others numbers, post on the discussion board, reach out and find each other! The great thing about climbing is that students, home-workers, and professionals ditching their lunchtime meeting can all climb together. I'm open to members self-organizing their own days. Beginners are always welcome! Details: Fr …
This group is your fast-track introduction to the Brooklyn climbing community! Use this group to find climbing partners, get a lift to the GUNKS, and to learn about competitions, climb-a-thons, and more! *By joining this group, you acknowledge that climbing is an inherently dangerous sport, and agree to participate in group activities at your own risk, relieving "Not" Brooklyn Boulders Climbing Group of all liability.
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Bouldering at Mombasha. Sport at Poison Ivy. Trad in the Gunks and toproping at Torne. Tree climbing and slacklining. Valley of boulders, master bedroom, Co-op & Gravity Vault- we do it all, based in southern OCNY. The important thing is, we like all kinds of safe climbing. We get outdoors, together, every week. It's casual and relaxed, but we like to push our limits and have fun. Join up!
Our mission is to create a community of climbers (and people interested in climbing) to share ideas, find climbing partners, and have fun! We plan indoor and outdoor climbing trips and are open to ANY experience level - beginners and guides alike. All are welcome.
A group of zany, down to earth, active people who enjoy hiking, climbing, backpacking, skiing, just anything that will get our adrenaline flowing. We are an eclectic group, full of people with common interests on sports and the appreciation of natures natural beauty. We are a non-competitive bunch and welcome any level of hiking/climbing fitness even newbies. Our focus is on enjoying the beauty of nature, meeting new people and participating in great outdoor sports. Traditionally after a great h …
Ladies: The goal of this group is for women to climb together in a fun, supportive, and educational atmosphere. The plan is to meet once per month and: 1) Get to know other like-minded and fun women to climb with 2) Learn women-specific climbing techniques 3) Make climbing more accessible to those who don't know a lot of other climbers 4) HAVE FUN! No experience necessary, all women are welcome.
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Hey, Hello Kitties! Welcome to the club for lovers of Sanrio, french toast, and climbing.
I want to start a climbing group in Norwalk, CT at the Sono Field House on Thursday Nights! I'm looking for other Adults in the Fairfield county area that want to meet other rock climbers. Seasoned pros and beginners are all welcome! The Sono Field House will provide belayers and any equipment needed.
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Welcome to CRUX! Please visit our website at www.climbcrux.org for more information about CRUX and go to www.climbcrux.org/eventscalendar to see upcoming events and RSVP. All events posted on this site are for informational purposes only - you must visit our site to RSVP. CRUX started using meetup.com in 2008. In 2013, as a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization with a growing membership, we've decided that it's time to migrate to our own website and event system. We still welcome brand new and expe …
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"The great outdoors is the path to a great life, by taking in nature, nature takes us and gives us the inner peace, our body and mind crave." GEV Welcome to NO DRAMA OUTDOORS, we are an eclectic group of outdoor enthusiasts, with the sole purpose of: *Bringing like-minded, easy going and well mannered people together. *NO Tolerance for Emotional Drama, Harassment or Discrimination of any kind. *Trips durations are day, weekend and week long. *This is a predominant Rock Climbing, Scuba Diving, …
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This group is for people interested in rock climbing (indoor and out), hiking, climbing, camping and other outdoor adventures and trips. I am looking for fun, committed people with similar interests. I started this group because it seems there are not enough in the area.
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Hikers, Cavers, Rock Climbers and Adventure Seekers was created for those people who Love Hiking, Caving and all sorts of Adventurous Activities and Events. Whether it's Caving,in the Northeast United States, West Virginia, Puerto Rico or the Ukraine. Rock Climbing Rock Climbing in the Gunks or anywhere across the US and in South America Hiking and Trekking Hiking in the Catskills, Adirondacks, Mohonk, Minnewaska Or Trekking in the Andes Mountains to summit glaciers or trekking Through …
As the name suggests, Vegunks is a group of ethical vegan and vegetarian climbers/mountaineers, created for the purpose of organizing daytrips to the Gunks (and possibly other areas). ALL levels and abilities are welcome, including folks who had never climbed before. The point here is not to climb 5.12, but rather to create a community of compassionate, easy-going climbers, make new, like-minded friends, and have fun! If the group shows interest, we may also plan extended mountaineering trips …
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Welcome to The New York City Hiking Meetup Group, founded in early 2004, the oldest of all hiking and outdoor groups on Meetup. We organize many fun outdoor activities such as hiking, camping, backpacking, biking, skiing, snowboarding, ice climbing, rock climbing, mountaineering, and skating, etc., anywhere near New York City. We also organize some great off-the-mountain social networking as well. Requirements for membership application (make sure your email is reachable by organizers via Meetu …
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Nature sports for the novice or experienced outdoors enthusiast -- not for beginners or experts. Hikes, not walks. Kayaking, not paddling. Mini-mountaineering, not lead rock climbing. Biking, not pedaling. Cross-Country Skiing -- not downhill skiing. Swimming, not poolside. Overnight tours, backpacking, and triathlons on occasional. As experienced outdoors people, be sure to bring appropriate clothing, gear, food and fluids. ___________________________________________________________ To the …
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Calling all Outdoor Enthusiasts....This is a group for anyone who enjoys the great outdoors. We are looking for others who are interested in hiking, camping, kayaking, rock climbing, yoga, fitness, etc. All skills are welcome. Lets get together and enjoy the great weather and outdoors this season. Looking forward to hearing from all of you!
We're a club of outdoor enthusiasts who come together for day hikes, weekend backpacking trips, and longer excursions that include rock climbing, ice climbing, kayaking, orienteering, survival training, skiing, snowboarding or whatever other outdoor adventure we can come up with. We are one of the largest Adventure Recreational clubs in New York. Our main season is the winter. Our Club provides scheduled recreational adventures twelve months a year. Participants include adult men and women of a …
This is a group for anyone interested in getting their body moving in the great outdoors! Get fit, have fun and challenge yourself while meeting new people of like mind.. If your into or want to learn more about cave exploring, mountain biking, hiking, rock climbing, fitness training, survival skills, kayaking, bouldering, come out and play with us! All skills levels are welcome. We have a full calendar of events on and off of Long Island, upstate weekends over the river and thru the woods and e …
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Fun & Unique w/Club Getaway Twist w/over 101 Activities & Fun Outdoor Adventures for Compatible Friendships-12/18-Westchester Skier's & Rider's Holiday Bash @ Buffalo Wild Wings w/Tony P.,12/29-Seal Exploration Trek & Hike, Mini Rock Scramble along LI Shore & Opt. Trek to City Island for drinks & appetizers-Weather Permitting Only, 2/1 Hike, Opt. Ice-Skating, Zoo, Hot Cocoa, Photo Shoot & More @ Bear Mt.,Skirmish Co-Ed w/Indoor Paintball only minutes away, Hike/Trek Saxon Woods Trail w/opt. Pizz …
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Hey there! This group is for fun and adventurous people in the Northern NJ/NYC area. We host social events at lounges, bars, nightclubs, and concert venues. We also plan excursions for those of us who love to explore, including going hiking, skiing, indoor rock climbing, etc. If you're a couch potato, then you may want to try another group. If you like to try new things, especially adventurous activities, then look no further... We are always open to suggestions for new things to try, so please …
Come Escape the City with your Fellow Hiking Enthusiasts! The Hiking and Nature Meetup is an active and well organized hiking group out of the New York City area. We make an effort to be as inclusive as possible by offering hiking at all levels, from short relaxing hiking trips to 20 mile hiking challenges. We also do rock scrambling, rock climbing, wilderness skills classes, weekend hiking trips across the northeast, and adventure travel trips all over the world. Plus, as a four-season hiking …
Guided hikes, bike rides (road and off-road), kayaking, Ballooning, Parachuting, rock climbing and more. Most events take place in various locations on Long Island and are 2 hours in duration. Several all-day events take place within a 2-3 hour drive from Long Island. Get a great workout in while breathing the fresh outside air, meet great people with similar interests and enjoy the natural beauty surrounding us all.
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Polski Klub Wysokogórski w USA to miejsce dla wspinaczy Polskiego pochodzenia, oraz wszystkich zainteresowanych nauka wspinaczki i poznawaniem nowych przyjaciól. Planujemy organizowac wyjazdy lokalne (do Gunks, New Paltz, NY) a w przyszlosci takze expedycje w góry. Mamy zamiar tez organizowac spotkania narciarskie, i ski-mountaineering. Jestesmy aktualnie zarejestrowani w stanie Nowy Jork jako organizacja bezprofitowa. Prowadzimy tez rozmowy z Poskim Zwiazkiem Alpinizmu (PZA) w celu pozostania …
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For the members here who have studied and pondered the events of the evening of November 29th, 1864, on the approach to Spring Hill, Tennessee : what is your personal opinion, from all the sources you have read and discussions on the topic, on what actually occurred on the Columbia Pike ? The "accepted facts" are that some twenty thousand Union troops passed "within sight of the campfires of Hood's sleeping army" (CWPT). Most modern historical accounts of the campaign as a whole tend to gloss over this, with terms like "for reasons never determined" or "vague and unclear" &etc. and jump straight to the events at Franklin the next day. On perusing the threads here that briefly touch on the subject, I have found references to a few books I have not read, but hope to soon, now that I am aware of them. I am currently methodically slogging through all the reports, Union & Confederate, that pass over the time period in question in Series One Volume 45 (Part One) of the ORs, but have yet to uncover a mention from a Union officer of actually moving up the Columbia Pike to Spring Hill "in sight" of Confederate Lines - Regimental command reports I have read so far talk of being alerted in the "middle of the night" and moved to Franklin by morning, with no mention of route or details of the march. (Confederate reports are even more vague - altho I would suppose that be the time these reports were prepared, the "incident at Spring Hill" had probably been beaten to death in the conversations of the staff officers, and undoubtedly over-shadowed by the tremendous fight at Franklin, and the defeat at Nashville and the subsequent retreat.) From both perspectives, then, Union and Confederate, describe what you think the activity along the Columbia Pike towards Spring Hill would have looked and sounded like; I am not interested (here) in speculation about command decisions, what orders were or not given to which Confederate commanders who did or did not follow them, &etc; Also, if you believe the Union troops did not in fact move up the Columbia Pike, but skirted the western-most end of the southern flank of the Army of Tennessee that were set just to the east of the Pike, and moved thru the woods between the small hill and the N&D rail-line to reach the northwest side of Spring Hill, I'd like to discuss that possibility (with the caveat that this is PURE speculation, with NO supporting documentation that I have yet found - it is however, one possible "explanation" for 20,000 troops passing directly in front of the Confederate lines "without notice") |
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Cogswell Pepperbox Did I Fire 6 Shots or Only 5 ?
Alrighty, then. Well, seeing as how I really can't bring myself to enter a "Slavery was/was not The Cause of The War" discussion, or sit in judgement of the moral failings/strengths of Federal President Lincoln, I guess I'll bid you good people a confused farewell and let you get back to whatever it is you are doing here. |
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It's been some time since I have read accounts on this incredible and unbelievable feat by Major General John Schofield and his XXIII Corps. I had read Wiley Sword's book: The Confederacy's Last Hurrah and it seems there is a very good account and in rather good detail as to the manuevering to accomplish this impossible task. As for the Confederates, there was a series of re-adjustments to the line and with General Hood perhaps who was not at the top of his game due to the laudnum and such, he was approving changes in the line which eventually left the Columbia Pike open. Open only to such an extent that the Confederate infantry I do not think was any further than a couple hundred yards from intercepting them. It was a miracle that this many troops were able to march on past, silent or not, and get away from their entrapment. Truly an amazing story. |
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So, apparently the scientists managed to succesfully teleport the states of the qubits, but fuck me, i have only very very misty idea, what that means and no idea, what are the implications of this discovery...
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can somebody in laymans terms explain what happened and what it means for the future? Did they basically dicovered the Heisenbergs compensator from Star Trek?
...the thing with the electron is because it's a fallacy to say it is in one place unless you make a measurement (at which point, there is not an infinite number of positions. There is exactly 1). As for the multiverse bit, the vibe I'm getting from you reminds me of the 'one electron theory'. The idea with this theory is that there is only 1 electron in the whole universe, but it is sort of a 'time traveler'. That is why there appears to be more than 1. The reasoning is that electrons don't directly interact with each other and every electron is basically the same (spin is the only difference between them, which can have only 2 values. I'm not sure how the theory handles that). The math also seems to suggest this.
Heres the thing with that (and I have a similar stance for your multiverse ideas, which is why I brought this up): Information is not carried from when the electron behaves as if it is electron A and at the same time behaves as if it is electron B. It is this lack of conservation of information that, in my mind, means they should be treated as seprate particles. And everything works out fine if you assume theres more than 1 electron. If you were to take a base ball, erase an autograph from it, re-string it, redo the filler or whatever (ie erase the history), and then send it back in time so that they were both on the field at the same time... I would say they are different balls. You might have started with the same ball, but you destroyed it and rebuilt it and erased the histroy from it. At that point, it is a new ball.... to me.
I was careful to qualify my "infinite" statement there. It is both--an infinite possibility and a single possibility--simultaneously.
I also think when terms like "universe" and "dimension" and "multiverse" are things we really don't/can't understand right now.
We are essentially "feeling the elephant's trunk" and then describing it as an entire elephant. Dogmatic arguments by scientists about what "is and isn't possible" inter-dimensionally and inter-universally are statements of hubris--not genuine complete "understanding".
When I grew up we were in a "steady state" universe--finely balanced, settled down and highly predictable. Scientists were very certain then that they had a good understanding of how things worked and they turned out to not even realize that there were areas that had never occurred to them.
I think we are understanding more of the "real" universe today but I'm willing to bet that if we could peel back the cover we would find we were so incomplete in what we were able to see. We are becoming real experts in the "trunk" now but that doesn't make us really understand elephants.
No, it's not. It's infinite when it has a wave function. When it doesnt, there is a single possibily. There is no both. It is one or the other at any point in time.
I still dont get the whole "We didn't know Z before, but now we know Z. Therefore, J could/could not be true." thing.
It all is a matter of perspective--even though I believe there are things that are literally "true" and "factual"--it doesn't preclude a differing set of facts and truths co-existing in a different sphere of influence.
Schrodinger's cat is neither dead or alive--until a specific and limited observation is made of it but that doesn't mean the cat wasn't actually dead in the box...or alive.
We see light from stars as they were billions of years ago and experience the past of those stars as our present--yet many of those stars will be long dead by now.
I think what we see about reality through math and science may not be much different than how we see stars optically. We think we are seeing it as it is but it may be we aren't capable yet of even knowing what is "is" and only see a slice of what's real--with no idea what it is tied to or the context of what its entwined with beyond our ability of observation.
I think this is what a lot of the newer physics is starting to peel the edges of and no one is prepared to see what's under the wallpaper yet. We're still arguing if there is anything beyond wallpaper.
btw, I did some calculations for my neutrino+quantum tunneling idea: if I'm right, 1.1% of the distance is being 'skipped' via quantum tunneling, which is low enough that I think it could have escaped notice until now (though I can't be sure). It might just be late, but I can't think of a reason why the chance for the neutrino to tunnel wouldn't also be about 1.1%.
As to your post;
The above is true. What you are saying when you say:
The reason is that when the cat is both dead and alive; that means there is a wave function for both possibilities. The electron has 'infinite' possibilites due to the nature of space and the possibilities of the cat's 'aliveness' has to do with the nature of life. Until an observation is made (note: persons need not be involved), the object is in a superposition of all possibilities. At this point there is no 'single possibility'. When you open the box, the superpostition drops and a single possibility remains. At this point, there is no 'infinite possibility'.
As for the rest... I don't do philosophy.
Love the last line.
That's exactly the crux of what's happening in modern physics right now. Lines are being drawn as to what constitutes "real science".
My point is that if we dogmatically confine ourselves to that view we may never be capable of thinking enough outside the box to even know there is anything outside it.
The greatest advancements didn't come from thinking over safe and easy speculations--it came when we explored possibilities that defied accepted thinking.
I think scientists with that quality are the ones who take the research others have done and imagine larger possibilities of what can be done with it than have the hordes of rank and file number crunchers before them.
You need a mayor to declare a drainage project, you need an architect to design it and then you need ditch diggers to make the hole. Most scientists fall into one of those categories.
You say "philosopher" I say tomato.
That's really interesting on the neutrino tunneling. What's even more interesting is we have had a little more time pass and no scientist has "dismissed" anything yet.
Think about it--two weeks ago if you had posted, "I believe neutrinos may routinely travel in space faster than light" you would have been laughed at.
Analog is infinite, digital is finite.
That is why phonograph records and tapes will always be superior to CD/DVD's. Too bad the latest generation has no experience with analog realities.
With each 'advancement' of technology that moves away from the analog, there is a definite loss in quality.
They would have been right to laugh. Science is about evidence; without it, everything is just a fantasy. And that's dangerous because as more people believe the fantasy, it takes on religous elements. Look at Trekkies: Sure, Star Trek is awesome.... there's no denying that, but the level that some take people take it to is damn near religous. And they teach this religion to others because it's fun and why wouldn't you share something fun with others? Then, when Star Trek says theres 'Red Matter' or something, and facts dispute this, they reject reality because the fantasy is more fun. This is destroying the very thing Star Trek is supposed to value most: Scientific truth.
Now, I'm not trying to say imagination is bad. Please don't take it that way. It has its place, but it must be kept seperate from facts and the pursuit of truth. Take string theory; it has alot of good ideas, but no evidence. I think it started off fairly innocently and grew wildly out of control. I'm okay with it being taught in schools, but not to the single-mindeness that we see today. I can partly understand the reason for it's pervasiveness: it will predict something eventually. It will stand on firm scientific ground or be the gateway to something else. But not today. So, go ahead and show people what might be possible with the crazy math, but always show how it might be wrong. Otherwise, we might be repeating the mistakes of the past, such as when Newton proposed light was a particle and everyone else said, "No! It must be a wave!". It is a fact that the math will eventually reach a point where there will be a prediction. I can't say the same for multiverse theories. In fact, I don't see a single theory that shows a testible prediction can be made (today or tomorrow) directly from the theory.
The day science and philosophy are combined is the day science dies.
To each his own, I guess. I look at the greatest achievements as people realizing that no one has done the experiment to prove/disprove the dogma of the day. Look at the measurment of type Ia supernovae in 1999 that found the universe was accelerating. Look at Special Relativity; the experiment was done first, and still no one believed it. It took Einstein to sit everyone down and say "Look, facts are facts. Now, given the facts, heres why".
So, to sum this up: I say, go out and do experiments. At any point, if you stop and look back at your results you will start to understand the why. Philosophy should trail the facts, otherwise it builds up a dogma that takes brilliant minds to break in the 'greates achievements' you spoke of. I will say that there are some people who can philosophize ahead of the results (for instance Einstein and General Relativity), but they should be outcast from the mainstream. That's not the way truths should be discovered. Look at Einstein's view on quantum mechanics, the thing he invented.
As for analog/digital, I have this to say: Spintronics.
There has to be a balance--but there also has to be an openness to new ideas. "Pure" Science can (and has) become a religion of its' own to many of its practitioners. I'm not talking about scientists vs. the layman but about scientists within their own community.
Look at the global warming issue where some facts were stretched and some viewpoints were censured and kept from being published. It's true that nothing seems to have been purely fabricated or error introduced so grievously to have derailed previous scientific examination of climate data...but on the other hand, many scientists were completely unapologetic because they were certain they were right. Their certitude led them to allow a lot of slack in their professional behavior that wouldn't be tolerated in many other fields or industries. The safeguards of integrity really softened in a big way--even though no serious harm was done...all because a group of peers had dismissed their opponent's views.
Many a good experiment and theory has been rejected out of hand by the scientific community at large only to years (or even decades) later come back and be proven true. But in the years between, the holder's of the established view blocked publication or even discussion of the new ideas and made real efforts to derail the credentials and careers of those holding those views. This has happened in the fields of fractals, string theory and Mars exploration not to mention many other situations.
So adherence to a self-proclaimed scientific dogma is no guarantee of unbiased truth in research and openness.
I'll disagree on Einstein-- I think he was handled well. He was not opposed by the entire scientific community--just a handful of very prominent figures and he was given a chance to air and defend his views--which he was able to do and then his views were acceptable for presentation. Other scientists have not fafed as well and we'll never know how many walked away with ideas that were right because their careers and reputations were threatened--not the strength of their arguments.
Hawkings, Einstein's, Bohr's and the like should not have their ideas instantly accepted as fact but neither should they have to fight for their lives for having them and wanting them published.
I had a roomate once with an off-the-charts IQ. He had taught himself Mandarin Chinese at the age of four (in an English-only household) and had a photographic memory along with an intuitive understanding of math. His Achilles heel however was that he was absolutely unbending in his interests and completely disregarded others who did not share his exact studies with the same level of intellectual ability. The end result was he could not function in life. He could not form meaningful relationships, he was incapable of considering anything in fields that did not interest him and all these things were justified in his mind by the supremacy of his own intellect. His intelligence was useless because he was incapable of integrating any benefit from it into the rest of the world.
Professional science can be like him sometimes and their needs to be a humility in the process that allows some experimentation and consideration of "improbables".
I agree on your views regarding experiments and "philosophizing"...yet sometimes a philosophic insight can lead to scientific investigation--that is in fact how much early science was advanced. You need to be able to have both views together.
I'm sorry but I think you are wrong. Philosophy should have no part in science. Now, when teaching someone the things that science has found, the philosophical insights gained through science are often the best method. People want to know why the ball moved, not the series of measurements that proved how it moved. And that's understandable. Nature is strange, the experiments are abstract, and the math can be difficult; but if I tell you the ball behaves this way, you get it and can focus on that all the way through the strangeness, the abstractness, and the difficulties.
My point about Einstein was that he was an exception. He first sat down and said: "Gravity should work like this. Here are the side effects", and was right. What I was saying was that he should not have been so widely beleived before there was any proof. In fact, he called it into question a number of times when other theories, not based on his, showed difficulties with his gravity ideas. That is the correct response to theories that have no experimental evidence. It doesnt matter who the person is or what the idea is, you should always be skeptical until there is proof. Just so I'm clear: that doesnt mean that people shouldnt work on these ideas. You can go off in a corner and play with your "The sky is plaid colored" theory. You can even submit articles, no problem. No one will believe a word of it, until something in the theory can be proven, and is proven. The number of people who can do what Einstein did, are very, very few. And even he was wrong about things, so what does that tell you about the "acceptance first, testing later" approach? Now, I guess I should say that the reason Einstein thought up with General Relativity was due to Newton's Gravity theory contradicting his Special theory of Relativity. And Special Relativity did have a firm scientific basis, so from a certain perspective his ideas did flow from evidence, but GR had a huge number of possible mathematical basis. What Einstein did was think about the theory, and went seeking math that 'fit' his idea. Look at the whole cosmological constant issue. He didnt see a need for it when he was choosing the math formulas, and only threw it in later when he understood the implication that his theory predicted a non-static universe. Then the universe was shown not to be static, so he took it out of his theory. Why? Because it made the formulas cleaner. Not due to truth. Only just recently has it been found to be needed afterall.
Now, I think I've run that viewpoint into the ground, so let me try a different tact: Skepticism is the heart and soul of scientific progress. It is not the enemy. It should be welcomed, as it can only make a theory stronger. The Big Bang is now a complex and well-established theory because of the skepticism it received. It acquired new ideas to make it a better theory, it got experimental evidence; and one after another, every hole that was poked in the theory was filled and the theory got stronger. The same is true of Quantum Mechanics. And both of those are the results of people sticking to the facts, when everyone else went looking for reasons why the facts or their interpretations were wrong. The only case where skepticism does not make a theory stronger is when the theory is wrong. For example, the skeptic might say "But the sky is blue, so your 'the sky is plaid' theory must be wrong". And he's perfectly right, unless I can find a loophole, and say that maybe it's plaid when no one is looking at it (though, of course, because this is a bad theory on purpose the rationalizatin here is leading away from testable predictions) or something.
I think we're actually agreed mostly on the above but philosophy sometimes presents the concept that prompts science to proceed to investigate (as Einstein's thinking prompted him).
It shouldn't be a theocracy of idealists dictating to scientists what to and not investigate for any reason or whim but science should always be willing to consider looking at the speculations of philosophers if they may have merit and are in some way genuinely examinable.
Here's a good example:Dr. Bem's ESP Experiment
A large segment of society claimed to believe in having had or witnessed examples of extrasensory perception and many have claimed for centuries to have had the same experiences. So a scientist investigated and tested some aspects with research.
This is not a direction that would have been produced as an outcome of continually developed research already at work--it's a direct example of non-scientists directing science to investigate.
Science needs some openness to this sort of prompt. Now if it had involved spending 40% of the gdp and stalling cancer research for the next five years it would be a different proposition. So--of course--there needs to be some compelling interest but the fact that people are interested is sometimes enough to justify some effort.
Another example of how science can miss something is here: New Way to make Steel Stronger
Steel manufacturing is considered a mature science and it was presumed there were no further major breakthroughs possible within the industry--it had reached it's technological limits (barring new materials being used). Researchers would never have looked for this but the manufacturer's experience and intuition led him to figure it out--something a methodical and regimented experimenter would never have done.
Both those examples serve to prove my point. Just saying that ESP is real or that flash heating steel makes it stronger is fantasy. The experiments, the evidence is what makes it real/imaginary. The ESP one especially; it provides evidence of a certain statistical effect. That doesnt make ESP fact. It does make a stronger case for ESP now, but there are many more tests to go before that can be said.
But what I'm getting at is the guy who asks "has anyone tried heating steel for a very short time?" is being scientific when he goes and trys it and tests the results against high-grade steel. However, this can lead to things like that article that are not scientific. There is not, at this time, a great deal of evidence behind this new method. Sure, it's easy to produce samples and I'm sure he's sent many for testing. But all the steel mills might not be able to get the same results. For example, maybe the climate that his foundry is at is just right for prepping the steel for this process. Maybe theres a by-product in his furnace that facilitates a chemical reaction in just the right way to harden the steel better. Maybe this flash process works well on the small scale, but with thicker steel, the heat doesnt have time to permeate and therefore flaws are introduced. Maybe the whole idea was actually 'discovered' and he just figured out how to reproduce it. Maybe one of his employees is secretly a ninja master swordmaker and has had this technique for awhile.
The article is not scientific (which I'm sure you knew) because, while it describes a scientific achievement and a scientific result, it does not go and point out the things that havent been tested, and the ways this new process is not superior to the current process.
Btw, if you havent heard/read Feynman's speech on Cargo Cult Science, I recommend it. That is some of what I'm getting at here.
I just grabbed the first article I found on the steel but as a follow up, his process was taken out of state to Ohio I believe and duplicated there at a university. I had read a brief followup where they described what they thin k is happening and it does appear to be effective as a principle--not as a fluke. (He doesn't have magic ore or a enchanted furnace--he buys ore on the market like everyone else).
Methods similar to his (but not the same) had been tried a few times but it was determined they were scientifically "not possible" for producing an effect so no one tried anymore.
And you're right, the guy was being scientific when he tested and measured his results--but he initiated the test based on his gut--not evidence and despite the fact that all the experts at that time said what he was doing wouldn't matter.
I actually am not a "believer" in the ESP stuff but I'm not a disbeliever either. No problem with me if someone wants to work at proving its true and seemingly positive results don't threaten me. Would everyone who believes in telekinesis please raise my hand right now.
I am familiar with Feynman's speech and agree with both you and he there. But there are counterpoints to that as well. The American medical scene for decades dismissed all forms of herbal and holistic remedies--such as Chinese herbal medicines, aloe vera testimonials and chiropractic patient's endorsements. Turns out, all of them had something to them. Sure, there were quacks, and superstitions and ridiculous beliefs as to how or why the worked but mixed within were some efficacious treatments and medicines.
I can testify to aloe vera for example. When it first began to be touted, the AMA called it a placebo and cautioned against using it on wounds and burns for fear of infection or allergic reaction. They did nothing to really study it at first and then the first studies were simply to "prove they didn't work"--they were bad science.
I had just come back from overseas and knew none of this...not to mention I didn't even know what aloe vera was at the time. I was cooking bacon and grease splattered very badly on my hand leaving a half-dollar sized blister. My aunt snapped the tip off a plant and smeared sap from it onto the burn--while I called her crazy and tried to jerk my hand away. The burn vanished almost instantly. How did professional medical doctors miss that? Bias and presumption influenced by the "accepted thinking of the day". Afterwards, I heard an interview with an AMA representative cautioning people about trying things like aloe vera "just because someone said it worked". I nearly fell from my chair laughing.
This sort of thing is the result of too much unquestioning skepticism. The sort that dismisses the need to examine or test because they "know it can't be right". Scientific groups have a record of building heavy institutional beliefs that just need someone to come along every now and then and whack at with a sledgehammer.
At the end of WWII the Russians were playing catch-up with the US technologically. They began by stealing and copying anything from us they could get their hands on. In areas where they lacked infrastructure or experience, they'd often tell their scientists, "Find a way to do that!"--whether it was possible or not. The Soviets developed several things out of necessity that we had assumed couldn't be done any way than how we had learned to do them. A notable example is the supersonic torpedo. their's didn't steer well and wasn't practical but until in just the last few years their torpedoes had twice the speed and warhead of our own here in the US. The science they discovered is now just starting to be used practically and will revolutionize undersea warfare--all with "impossible" technology.
There has to be a venue somewhere for the intuitive or desperate guess theory. Without this, stagnation occurs or you have to wait for a lab accident someone notices the results of.
Think about why so many breakthroughs occur during wars--experimenters are willing to try things in peacetime they would never do.
Well, medicine is a bad example. It's hard to do good science in medicine, and it often doesn't work right. The reason there has been such strong opposition in the medical fields to 'home remedies' is because they've been trying to push medicine into a scientific light. Before the scientific approach in medicine, people believed all kinds of crazy thing, and a huge database of nonsense was developed. Seperating fact from fiction is difficult when theres so much 'knowledge' already there. Walling off the great majority of it is the quickest way to rebuild with pure facts. But even with a scientific approach, medicine has it's troubles. Things dont always work. For example, we had a cat that was diabetic. We had to give him insulin shots every day. Until the day he decided to not be diabetic. The insulin overdose put him in a coma and he eventually died. How is it the body can not work correctly for years, and then get up and running 100% so fast?
I also had an aloe plant when I was a kid. The thing was, I was told it healed cuts. I've never heard about burns until now. I would break the tips off all the time for cuts. And after awhile, I realized they weren't doing a damn thing to speed up the healing of cuts. The only thing it did was seal the cut so it didnt bleed so much. But a bandaid does that too. As a result, I've had the exact opposite reaction to aloe plants. I dont think they heal at all. But, if you show me someone applying aloe plant juice to a burn and it seems to work, I would have to try it out for myself and I might change my mind.
My point is this: there is a reason to not take these home remedies at their word. And while some things may work, the proper response is doubt. If someone shows you evidence to the contrary, you should double check the results under your own conditions, and only then can you start to believe them. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The smart people who have good ideas that counteract/run counter to the currently accepted theory require the skepticism of their peers. If they don't, they wont get as far with their theory. They might not have the interest to pursuit a path so easily taken. And in the meantime, this would invite the loons into the field and slow the steady, methodical approach.
FYI, I dont think we're going to get anywhere here.
I was just waiting to get the last word...
It's ok--it's been fun and it gives me something to do when I am waiting on software to do it's stuff.
By the way--everything you said about medicine being cobbled together over time is true of science as well--and there is medical science.
I can attest to aloe vera. I was trying to knock my aunt's hand away becasue I thought she was nuts--no placebo effect there. The blister literally disappeared within several seconds.
I'll close with this: In the movie Contact with Jodie Foster, she meets aliens in a spaceship and spends time on an alien world with them--but to everyone on earth it looks like she went nowhere. At congressional hearings investigating why so much money was spent and nothing happened, she describes her experience--and then when questioned admits she wouldn't believe it either if it hadn't happened to her.
There are times when individuals discover or realize the truth of something before pure science can. Science tells you basically, "Experiments or it never happened!". Science is content to glance at a claim and decide based on how plausible it seems to "science" whether or not to investigate it. An individual who has had the experience will know it needs investigating--whether science gets it or not. Those individuals are usually the ones who bring breakthroughs--not always, but often enough to be important and worth consideration.
FYI--I'm a straight medical prescription kind of guy. No new age-y stuff for me.
Haha..,had to resurrect this one last time. I saw "The Big Bang Theory" last night and thought of our dialogue here SithLord. Here's the clip (ignore the "gossip" part and enjoy the rest).
Thanks for bumping this thread Sinperium! I hadn't before had the privilege of witnessing this astounding spectacle of debating and different but possibly mutually-true viewpoints. Btw: I didn't know that you were colour-blind either.
Hi there!
Well in your case, they can make you better, faster and stronger--they have the technology.
In this case, I was Brian Greene and Sith was Sheldon
He's more interested in the doable, provable, testable certain and I am more interested in the possibilities--detail versus concept.
I think it's useful to be able to shift between skepticism and creativity-based thinking, and evidence and "what if?" based theories. It is very useful to be able to do both, and shift as necessary, or when it seems fun , but this thread is the most fun I have enjoyed on debating for a long time.
Cool--it was much nicer and more polite than the SW vs. ST one
Did we have a SW vs. ST debate? I dont remember that...
In any case, I think we can both agree that there is sound in space.
Now, if you'll excuse me... my Star Wars: The Old Republic launcher just finished updating
Lol--not you. It's a good thing sound exists in space and inertia is always negated to no more than the level we can throw ourselves about a room.
Probably more like 'feeling the elephant's trunk' and describing it as a well endowed camel. .... ....
My religion forbids the touching of camel parts or entering into spitting contests with llamas and alpacas unless they have been through the purification rituals and are present in the temple on "Spitting Day".
I don't mean to restart the conversation, but I stumbled here from recent posts and have to point out that for example that steel hardening discovery could've just as well been eventually discovered once we understand the fundamentals of material sciences down to the molecular level better.
Same goes for medicin; the reason why medicin has a tough time being scientific is that biologial systems are still much too complex for us to dissect with deterministic accuracy with scientific theory. We're not there yet. And that's the only reason why the more philosophical approaches can be useful; they can be used to cut corners, but they are hardly a requirement for discoveries and often work against science.


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To get rid of the sub-contractors we need equipment of similar style. A single axle sleeper is NOT, I REPEAT, NOT going to be that equipment! What we need our tractors similar to the Nest Day Air Hub tractors UPS has.
Furthermore we need drivers willing to work these tractors and these lanes.
What does that mean? Well for starters, you may have to work weekends.
We also need to pull our own rail trailers to/from the rail yard. We can't continue to use outfits like Nationwide Rail Service to do this.
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Can't fuel @ Terminals
I wonder if that's why we (TRUCKLOAD) are no longer allowed to fuel at UPS Freight Terminals. ------Unionize UPS Freight Truckload !!!----------
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this whole movie is becoming a lie now.....lol
Anybody come at you yet?
Anybody get to you yet?
I could be a friend to you..............
Were "The Sisters" gay when they came to prison or did prison make them gay?
I've heard that the threat of rape in prison is more overstated in movies than in reality. I am not willing to test that assertion.
Some would agree, but I cannot imagine wanting to penetrate another man in any way, regardless of how much I hated him or wanted to establish power.....it's kinda.....GAY!
Meeeeeeeeeeeeee Tooooooo!!! I could probably adapt to everything in prison except for the Faggotry and the racial/gang violence and stuff.
I never would've watched that movie if I was aware of Tim Robbins' and Morgan Freeman's political beliefs back then!


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