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When we went back and published the French Traveler patterns from an old issue of burda style magazine, I knew I had to make the Illusion Neckline Dress! I love illusion necklines, and the photography for this pattern really drew me in. I have been holding on to this Liberty printed cotton from Britex Fabrics for a while now. I got it in San Fransisco with Jamie when we went there to promote the new book…I literally bought it 20 min before I left for the airport!
I wanted a simple design to showcase the printed fabric (it's a neon graphic of the Tokyo skyline). So I thought the Illusion Dress was perfect, since it had only only style line. I omitted the waist elastic casing an inseam pockets to reduce bulk. Next time I wear this dress I will probably belt it to give it better shape. To pair with the printed fabric I got a green silk chiffon from Mood Fabrics. I originally went there to buy a black sheer fabric, but I just loved how the green complemented the print. I bought pre-made white bias tape to bind the armhole, back key-hole and neckline edges. I really love how it turned out.
With the dress I am wearing a pair of leggings that I made from our Carol Leggings pattern. These leggings fit wonderfully! I love how this pattern doesn't have a side seam so it is so smooth to wear on the legs. These leggings are made in an iridescent metallic spandex I found at Spandex World (favorite place). I found the pattern to be a bit tall so I had to take off about 2" from the top, but overall I really like this pattern and will definitely be making more leggings…so stay tuned!
Printed cotton, silk chiffon, spandex
Feb 8, 2013, 08.38 PMby pooka
That fabric is insanely wonderful. I love how it captures the frenetic energy of Tokyo nightlife. Great project!
Feb 6, 2013, 06.26 AMby Mary Athey
What a fabulous outfit and its lovely on you x
Feb 6, 2013, 03.08 PMby MegH
Thanks Mary!
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Em n Rick
14 Sep 2009
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:03 am
Hi ladies, just a quick one as on phone OMG it's twins
one measuring 7 weeks n 1 measuring 7 weeks 1 day n saw 2 perfect little heartbeats
eeeekkk so excited
got another scan on 12/04
Sending everyone lots of love
will come back on later xxxx
Em n Rick xxxx
TTC for 6 years both aged 29
4th time lucky - Lilly Rose and Tyler James born 03/10/12 ððð£ð£
03 Dec 2010
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:10 am
OMG Em, hearty Congratulations! Two is being lucky for us team Magpies. We had our transfers same day (29 Feb) and my luck is following yours so far! So hoping I get to see 2 heartbeats too next week. Call this the Irish luck or what?
Thanks for sharing this news and making my day!
So how long was the scan? Did you get pictures? I am planning to take the video camera along if they allow so it cAn record the heartbeats
Em n Rick
14 Sep 2009
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:18 am
Hey smiles, thanx lol yeh hopefully your luck will follow, it as that 29th feb that was lucky
well I went for a wee when we got there n we went in for scan n was in there 10 mins n she said my bladder had filled up lol so had to go empty it so she could take some measurements
and we got 4 pics, 2 of them both n 1 of each of them
yeh that's a great idea don't see why they won't let you
it was amazing xxxx
Em n Rick xxxx
TTC for 6 years both aged 29
4th time lucky - Lilly Rose and Tyler James born 03/10/12 ððð£ð£
07 Jan 2011
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:34 pm
Many congrats em, that's just wonderful news! Xxx
TTC over 3 years
6 x months Clomid
3 x IUI BFN (2 Menopur, 1 Clomid)
1st ICSI Sept 2011 - BFP from Grade 1 embie. MC 5.5 wks
2nd ICSI July 2012 - BFP from 2 blasts transferred. Scan 28/8 - 1 lovely h/b, EDD 19/4.
14 Jan 2012
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:24 pm
Josie bless you, thanks for your message i really appreciate it.
em and rick wonderful news what a great start to your weekend.
im just on my way down to devon (from manc) visiting mother in law
have a good weekend all xxx
Me 32 DH 36 TTC 2.5 years unexplained
IVF - Feb 2012 bfn
IVF - June 2012 bfp 06/07/2012
Aiden Matthew 6/2/13 5lb 3oz
Rip Jake, gone but not forgotten iugr at 25 wks
26 Jun 2011
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:33 pm
Wooooohoooooo emnrick! Amazing news - a pair of little twinnies. Omg! That's why you're eating so much then! Double trouble! Hehe! Wll look forward to hearing your second scan news on 12/4!
Smiles - your turn next then chick. How do you feel? Any symptoms or are you not really troubled? Yes hoping the magpies are with you too for two 'ickle bambinos!
Patty - safe journey down to Devon. Hope you manage to tolerate the M-I-L! At least make sure you get out in the country air for a nice walk and some peace.
Josie & Sue - yeah to end of term!! Whoop whoop! Schools out! Hope you have nice breaks away & don't get bogged down in too much work. Holidays are for relaxing and having fun too.
Tigs - how are you chick? Please don't feel pressured to reply but just want you to know you've been on my mind and I hope you are taking some time to heal yourself and your DH. Anytime you want to talk you know where I am /we are .
Melski - glad to hear you are upbeat - you'll be happier when you have a better idea of the cost of your fresh cycle I guess. Pricey old game hey? Why do you think you will need immune drugs too? Have you had any tests done. I hope the review will give you some clarity and plans to move forwards. Do you have your review appt booked yell?
Lala and Lisa - don't know if you are still reading but hiya and hugs. Hope you are Ticking along ok? Any future plans?
Have I missed anyone off? If so v sorry
Have a restful weekend all
I don't intend to do much except rest up, walk the poochie (slowly!) and do some admin. oh and eat.... Lots!
Magpies to you all
ICSI - m/c in Sept 2011
FET feb 2012 - one blast on board, one on ice!
A scrumptious little daughter - Florence Jasmine born 6/11/12 - 8lb11oz
07 Jan 2011
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:42 pm
Many congrats em, that's just wonderful news! Xxx
TTC over 3 years
6 x months Clomid
3 x IUI BFN (2 Menopur, 1 Clomid)
1st ICSI Sept 2011 - BFP from Grade 1 embie. MC 5.5 wks
2nd ICSI July 2012 - BFP from 2 blasts transferred. Scan 28/8 - 1 lovely h/b, EDD 19/4.
Ruby B
22 Jan 2011
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:52 am
So sorry to see you didn't get a BFP melski.
Sorry to hijack your thread ladies good luck to the rest of you
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Me 35 DH 35 (genetic condition & chromosone translocation)
June 07 - BFP - Baby girl! (did not inherit condition)
09-10 - 4 failed pregnancies
IUI May & July 11 - both BFN
IVF Nov 11 - DS - 13/8/2012
25 Jan 2010
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:15 am
Hey everyone,
Just a quick one as on my way out but popped on to check on everyone and wanted to say huge congrats to Em....WELL DONE HUNNI!!!! So happy for you
Thanks for your lovely messages girls, they mean the world to me. I'm ok, I think, my emotions have a habit of creeping up and smacking me on the ar$e, so will see how I go but for now, I'm ok. Ordered my shiny new car yesterday so really looking forward to that
Off to Cornwall for a week in 2 weeks too so thats something else to focus on
Our review is booked for 1st May but we have decided to step off the rollercoaster for a while and focus on our lives...and moving to Cornwall
Will be a few years but its definitely what we want to do in the long run, so have decided life is too short and to do it sooner rather than later!
Posted on the other thread to you hunni but massive hugs on here for you too. AF turned up for me on Thurs so at least thats one less thing to worry about! Hope you are doing ok too xx
Thank you for thinking of me hunni. Hope you are doing ok and its starting to sink in a little more for you now
Rest up and look after yourself my lovely xx
Lala, Lisa, Josie, Patty, Sue,
How are you ladies? Hope you are all ok, sending lots of hugs xx
Just wanted to say 16/08 is a very special date indeed...its my birthday
Lots of luck, hope all goes well x
Take care everyone and enjoy the weekend
Me 29 (Endo & Adeno)
3x IUI - BFN
1st ICSI - no embies made it
2nd ICSI - OHSS - canx - x6 1cell embies on ice
FET - Feb 12 - only 2 survived thaw - 1 g2 6 cell transf - BFN
14 Jan 2012
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:14 am
Tigger its good to hear from you. im so sorry for your bfn, i just read your blog it was heart breaking. it's so cruel having to wait the extra days for your af to turn up. that was one thing i was thankful for that my af arrived really early.
Well done you for looking forward, new life in cornwall sounds exciting.
Well i have survived the weekend with mother in law. we are just on our way back up north now. can't wait to get back home .
Love to everyone xx
Me 32 DH 36 TTC 2.5 years unexplained
IVF - Feb 2012 bfn
IVF - June 2012 bfp 06/07/2012
Aiden Matthew 6/2/13 5lb 3oz
Rip Jake, gone but not forgotten iugr at 25 wks
26 Jun 2011
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:38 am
Helllooooooo ladies
Tiggy - woooooo to your shiny new car - excellent. Nothing like a good set of wheels to make you smile. I'm sure you'll enjoy driving it every day. I'm a sentimental old git so I'd be thinking of it as a gift from your embie to you. A 'sad sorry mummy but I'm not going to be able to meet you after all' However you could also look at it as a 'f**k it life's too short and well done me for getting a promotion' car. Which ever babe I hope it brightens you up. I'm well jel about the prospect of you moving down to the south west. That's my DH 's dream. He'd pick somewhere like croyde I think but we've had some good hols down in Cornwall too. Just can't beat the beaches & the surf. I think you're right to think bugger it and crack on with the plans - got to have something in life to look forward to, and a fresh start in a gorgeous place in the world may be just the thing. As for stepping off the rollercoaster ...You are still a weeee whippersnapper !!! Enjoy that hol anyway - be you're counting down the sleeps! Keep in touch hey?
Patty - glad you survived your trip to the M-I-L - you didn't fall out or murder her then? Hope the roads back up to manc are ok for you. Get some good old tunes on and have a sing along and a full caffeine fuelled coffee from costa at the services! Do you think you guys are waiting til the summer to cycle again? Any exciting plans before then? Holiday or anything? Enjoy being you without the drugs, injections and waiting game.
Hope everyone else ticking along
We've done an hour long walk this am which was beautiful so I'm just putting my feet up a bit now. A new symptom arisen - feel like I've got a tablet stuck down my gullet - DH thinks its heartburn but it doesn't burn so much but just feels there. When I swallow water it's ok, but yesterday ate mash pots and it really burnt as it went over it. I took my mahhoooosive metformin tablet just before bed on Friday pm and think it sat in my gullet all night. Hence the problem. Bugger. Maybe will try some gaviscon just in case?? Have no ideas but it's not helping the fact I want to keep grazing all the time & that aggravates it! Hopenive not given myself an ulcer...there I go worrying again. Sure it will all be fine hey!
So have a good Sunday to the rest of you and take care. Got to get our winter clothes back put by the sounds of it this week coming - going to be chilly me thinks. May keep those ugg boots out for a bit longer!
Lots of love
ICSI - m/c in Sept 2011
FET feb 2012 - one blast on board, one on ice!
A scrumptious little daughter - Florence Jasmine born 6/11/12 - 8lb11oz
26 Jun 2011
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:43 am
Just a little hello and happy Easter from me!
Hope there's lots of eggs to be eaten
Lots of love
ICSI - m/c in Sept 2011
FET feb 2012 - one blast on board, one on ice!
A scrumptious little daughter - Florence Jasmine born 6/11/12 - 8lb11oz
Em n Rick
14 Sep 2009
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:33 am
Hey jep, happy Easter to you too
how are you n your lil bean doing? Xxxx
Em n Rick xxxx
TTC for 6 years both aged 29
4th time lucky - Lilly Rose and Tyler James born 03/10/12 ððð£ð£
02 Oct 2011
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:57 am
Hi everyone - miss chatting to you all!
Hope you are all well. I'm back into baking now i'm off for two weeks, but that doesn't bode well for fitting into my bridesmaid dress on saturday! oops!
Jep, Em and smiles, i hope you and your lovely little ones are doing well.
03 Dec 2010
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:56 am
Hello all. So I had my first scan today morning. Itâs not such a good news but there is still hope. Unfortuantely only 1 embryo of the 2 has implanted
So somewhere down the journey I lost the other twin. I feel I just dropped a baby and it flew off.
Moreover this 1 foetus is smaller than expected. I am 7 weeks 3 days pregnant today. But the size shows its 6 weeks 3 days. Nurse could not find any heartbeat, no flicker. So this could mean 2 things. That the foetus is growing at a slow rate and itâs yet too soon to see the heartbeat. Or the worse thing, that it stopped growing.
I do have a strong hope this one will survive, I will see it grow in the next 8 months. But I am mortified how did I manage to lose the other one. Where did it go?
Em n Rick
14 Sep 2009
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:45 pm
Josie, hey sweetie how are you doing? Mmmm cakes
i might bake a cake tomorrow, its hubbys birthday on saturday
ooo i hope the weather is nice on saturday for you being a bridesmaid, how exciting
Smiles, i have replied on the awaiting scans thread, big hugs xxxx
How is everyone? Xxxx
Em n Rick xxxx
TTC for 6 years both aged 29
4th time lucky - Lilly Rose and Tyler James born 03/10/12 ððð£ð£
26 Jun 2011
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:37 pm
Hello guys
I was sad it had all gone quiet on here - figured you may need time off fertility talk/ the thread/??me?!
Smiles - sorry you didn't get conclusive news today. You defo did not drop one! The ones that don't implant can often get 'resorbed' ie just sucked back up. A friend had a twin pg and one sadly stopped beating at 8 weeks. By 12 weeks it had almost gone. Not saying this to make you feel gross but just so you understand the natural process. You've done nothing wrong for the one that didn't implant but it is just natures way of saying it wants meant to be. Got all digits crossed that the little blob you can see is being a bit slow at coming forwards. When are they scanning you again chick? Thinking of you.
Josie - glad you missed chatting
wondered when you'd be having your next bakathon! I was supposed to be doing pud for tomorrow but may have got out of it now...delegation ahoy! You got any nice plans for your time off work? Bridesmaid hey... Don't get drunk and snog the best man....not unless it's our DH! Hoping the weather will be ok for the day!
Emnrick - how are you guys doing? You've got to bake a cake for his bday - it's the law! Yummy scummy!
I'm good thanks. Intermittent symptoms therefore intermittent (or rather constant!) anxieties about things not being right in there. I should have trained to be a sonographer so I could scan myself everyday! Hahahaha. Not being sick and nausea on & off, but still v tired and palpitations, short of breath and finally sore boobs arrived yesterday. I was well chuffed and got DH to check them!
Now considering the next steps as nhs scan 24/4 so wondering if I can wait til then? Also nhs nuchal scan not as accurate as private so may get that done? Just something else to test my mind with. I think when we are used to the private treatment we get from care nothing else matches up and I'll be gutted to have a real quick scan that is not as accurate. But on the other hand it can be a couple of hundred bucks for private NT and bloods. You do get the results far quicker though. Seems really unfair of me to discuss this when others had bfn results though so sorry.
Hope the Easter bunny comes to find you all
Lots of love
ICSI - m/c in Sept 2011
FET feb 2012 - one blast on board, one on ice!
A scrumptious little daughter - Florence Jasmine born 6/11/12 - 8lb11oz
26 Jun 2011
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:42 am
Hello any buddies out there still reading
Hope the Easter weekend has been relaxing for all - shame not sunny like the previous weekend but hey - cant have it all hey?
I totally understand that we are all now moving in different directions from a life and fertility point of view. I don't expect everyone to keep posting but I will carry on watching though in case any of you want to stay in touch etc. I will keep up posting with my original July cycle buddies so you can always hunt me down on that thread under the cycle buddies heading.
I wish you all the luck in the world for you to all get your dreams to come true. I just wish more of us could have shared the bfp's but I hope that you don't lose hope and keep going forwards With things if that's what you chose to do. Tank you for being so supportive of me and keeping my PMA up on the bad down days..... I'll always be a psycho about looking for magpies, and cheerleading Pom Pom shuffling ladies, and baking lots of naughtiest!
Lots of love
ICSI - m/c in Sept 2011
FET feb 2012 - one blast on board, one on ice!
A scrumptious little daughter - Florence Jasmine born 6/11/12 - 8lb11oz
21 Oct 2009
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:16 pm
Hello JEP,
Just a quickie to let you know I am still around occaisionally and reading the board!
Just back from a week in sunny Benidorm in a 4 star hotel- was lovely but still cant get my two babiess Ive lost now out of my head. I still cant believe that Im never going to be a mummy.
I am quite down about it but trying to put on a brave face.
Also my grandma has been diagnosed with a brain tumour so v. sad about that too. I thought she would go on forever and its sad to see her dosed up with drugs and not her old self. Been to see her this afternoon. At least she is back home and comfortable for the time being.
Hubby starts his first placement tomorrow as a nurse. I think he is quite stressed about it but he is also trying to put a brave face on for me.
On a positive note I have ordered a new car, Kia Rio top of the range one with all the fancy bits (heated seats being my favourite one!!!) so waiting for that to arrive. Hope it cheers me up when it comes.
I have been having really bad hot flushes since this last M/C. Its awful. Ive got my review next week but after that Im going to go and see my doctor and see if she will put me on HRT. I think my hormones may be part of why I'm feeling so down.
I'm glad to hear everything is still going well for you and you are enjoying being pregnant. I hope so much things continue to be positive for you. I will keep popping on to read about how you are getting on.
Hello to anyone else reading this too, I hope you are all ok too. xxx
Love Sue. xxx
Endo 1st IVF/ICSI cycle Nov 09- BFN 2nd IVF/ICSI cycle March 10- Cancelled due to poor response. 3rd IVF/ICSI cycle Aug 11 DE-BFP!! M/C Sept 11 4th FET (1) Feb 12 -biochemical pregnancy. April '12 Starting Adoption process.
14 Jan 2012
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:21 pm
Happy Easter Jep, I had to wait for my password to be re-set over the weekend.
I'm still reading, not much going on with me at the moment, just waiting for June one month down - two more to go
I'm still keeping an eye on everyone though so please keep in touch, especially with your good news as your bump progresses!
I hope everyone else is doing well and look forward to hearing all of your news. I couldn't have got through the past few months without you girls and hope to be cycling again with some of you.
Lots of Love.xxx
Me 32 DH 36 TTC 2.5 years unexplained
IVF - Feb 2012 bfn
IVF - June 2012 bfp 06/07/2012
Aiden Matthew 6/2/13 5lb 3oz
Rip Jake, gone but not forgotten iugr at 25 wks
14 Jan 2012
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:37 pm
Sue - sorry I think we posted at the same time. It is good to hear from you, although I'm sorry that you are having a tough time. So sorry to hear about your gran it must be a very difficult time.
I like the sound of you new car and I hope it's cheering you up a bit
I really hope things start to get easier for you soon, you really deserve a break.
Me 32 DH 36 TTC 2.5 years unexplained
IVF - Feb 2012 bfn
IVF - June 2012 bfp 06/07/2012
Aiden Matthew 6/2/13 5lb 3oz
Rip Jake, gone but not forgotten iugr at 25 wks
21 Oct 2009
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:20 pm
Hello Pattym,
Glad you are ok and looking forward to your next cycle. At least it gives you something to focus on. I hope so much it works out for you next time.
Im still on holiday from work so got a bit of time to read this board, inbetween doing some school work and spring cleaning. Ive been washing my lounge curtains today. Gosh didnt realize how dirty they were- urrghh!
Anyway better get on with some more jobs.
Love Sue. xxx
Endo 1st IVF/ICSI cycle Nov 09- BFN 2nd IVF/ICSI cycle March 10- Cancelled due to poor response. 3rd IVF/ICSI cycle Aug 11 DE-BFP!! M/C Sept 11 4th FET (1) Feb 12 -biochemical pregnancy. April '12 Starting Adoption process.
02 Oct 2011
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:39 pm
Hi everybody - i've been awol for a bit, had a brilliant time as a bridesmaid at my bessie mates wedding, and then we were away for a few days. Now I am deperately trying to do all the work I need to get done for monday! Still having a few up and down days. Two more announcements today of friends becoming pregnant. But I am generally feeling ok about things. I've been in touch with the adoption agency that we want to use, and it seems like there will be a long wait. I think it is Sept / Oct before they have their next course. But I do like to have a plan. It makes you feel better eh? Counselling is beginning of May - so i think that will help to give me ideas of how to cope with anoouncements and general feelings of moving on. DH is bearing up well. He is very much looking forward to getting on with adoption. We talk about it lots.
Anyway - that is me up to date.
Haven't checked on any other threads as yet, but I am hoping that our pregnant ladies are well and getting close to getting rid of morning sickness etc. and have lovely little bumps blossoming (Em - maybe yours will be bigger as you have twins?) JEP - i hope that you are still telling yourself to chill a bit a work, and don't take too much home with you. Make sure you are relaxing with your bubba and your hubba! Your hubba bubba!
Sue, I too am pleased that you have had the distraction of a new car and a lovely holiday to keep you busy, but i totally understand about the feelings you are having regarding your little lost lambs. I feel that pain still after my two miscarriages last year. And i think it is always going to be there. You'll never forget them, no matter how little time they spent with you. Life does have a way of just continuing to happen though, as hard as it is to concentrate on the daily mundane things, and where i was thinking about my angels all the time at first, I now purposefully think of them just before i go to sleep each night. Thoughts with you for your lovely Nan too xxx
Patty - June will be here before you know it hun. Feel the same about the support you gave us all too hun. This board was a life saver during my cycle! Thanks everybody.
Anyone heard from Tigs? Hope she is ok?
To everybody else, I'm sending pom pom shuffles, delicious home baked cakes in whichever flaviour you want, and general hugs all round.
I won't be on here loads, but like Patty said, I am sure i'll be on at least once a week or two to check on you all and give my support. Thinking of moving over to adoption angels when I get any dates through, so you will always find me on there, and i'll look out for you all too xxx
02 Oct 2011
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:53 pm
Oh Smiles - I wish i'd checked the other threads first. I'm so sorry honey. Sending you lots of hugs xxx
26 Jun 2011
Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:30 am
Hello lovelies
I have been pleased to hear from you lot but just haven't had time to post back properly
Sue - glad you had a good time in benidorm chilling out over Easter. Loving the fact you have treated youself to some new wheels - heated seats are a must and youll love them come the winter (saying that ive used mine every morning this week!) I am so sorry that this ivf journey seems to have ended here for you and as you say your dream of being a mummy has not yet come true. Do you think in time you may look at adoption? Or perhaps it is not for you as I know it isn't for everyone. ((((hugs)))). I hope your DH gets on ok with his first nursing placement. Really sorry to hear about your gran. It is heartbreaking to see such influential people in our lives get poorly and lose their character. My gramps died a couple of years ago from skin cancer on his head that eventually ate through the bone into his brain. My granny had him at home for as long as possible with nurse and family support then at the end he went into our wonderful hospice where he was cared for amazingly until he couldn't fight anymore. It still makes me sad now but I feel better knowing he is at rest and I'm sure he is keeping his beedy little eyes on us from whatever cloud he is floating around on! Thinking of you at this difficult time xxx
Patty - glad you have bounced back up and are now in the counting down stage! Just make sure you have a huge amount of fun before June! Cause when your next cycle gets you your BFP ou won't be able to do stuff again - for a long time! I'm glad we went skiing before we started. Now my nausea settling I wish I could have a gnt and go for a run or a bike ride!! Silly hey?! So if you want to do any dangerous activities like zip wiring (!) get them done now!! Oh and goats cheese..... Mmmmmmm!! Keep in touch as your cycle progresses - would love to know how you do!
Josie - glad that you had some fab times being bridesmaid and in your hols. Shame you've got to get back to work though now eh?! Well done you on starting the ball rolling with the adoption thing. I had no idea you could chose which agency you go under. Again I think sept to do the course is not a bad time away - means you can hopefully clear things psychologically and deal with them before, and have some great summer hols off school. I know others who say what a long process it is but keep going cause you will get there one day. Glad your DH keen and you are talking about it lots - think that's really exciting for you both! Loving the hubba bubba comments - must tell DH about that when he wakes up! Hehehe. I am still using your cheerleading pompom-tastic style motivation and positivity although must admit have not been baking - there's not enough hours in the day!
Tig - you must be down in Cornwall right now? Hope you are having a fab time chilling with DH and planning your amazing future. Whatever that holds it will be great and I can't think anywhere else that would be so perfect. Hope your shiny new wheels arrive soon and you enjoy blasting around in them. Lots of love and when you are emotionally ready to please just say hi so I know you are ok. We still ask about you on July thread that is still going strong. Pop on when you are up to it chick.xxx
Smiles - gutted for you chick - havng been there and done that last sept I know how heartbreaking it feels. The way I accepted it in my mind after seeing the nhs and care consultants was that at least you got implantation. That is a huge hurdle. The most common cause for an early m/c is a one off chromosomal problem that would just mean your little embie didn't carry on developing correctly, so had to stop. I was so petrified it would happen again but for me this cycle has given me faith that things can work out after a bad experience. I really feel for you as over the next weeks and months you will go through a lot but I'm sure come out of the other end stronger. Noggins posts on the thread under general forum 'D&C or medical mgt' would probably give you some of the info you are asking about. ((((hugs))))
Still think about Melski, lala and Lisa - wonder how you are doing?
And em n rick - I know you are doing well - so far so good with your 9 week twinnies. Great news and I'm sure that gives hope to those yet to be successful that it can happen after lots of hardship and some failures. Good on you! Keep enjoying it chick. Hope we get fat bellies together and November could be a good, interesting month!!
AFM - starting to feel better now. Energy levels coming back and less nauseous. I wake in the early hrs with sickness and then just eat most of the day. Oestrogen, pessaries and metformin stop next Week as I will be 12 w so that is another hurdle and I'm nervous about stopping them all in one go. Got a private nuchal scan booked a week today - I will get my bloods done on Monday and then all the results on the day so no faffing around waiting for 2-3 weeks like on the nhs. Trying not to get too excited but obviously I need to think about lots of stuff starting from what holidays I want before then and saving some days for maternity leave etc etc. scary to think ofit but just taking one day and one week at a time. In a silly way I can't wait to start 'showing' I currently look either normal or like I maybe need a poo!! Hahaha! Got tog et some new bras though and as a petite lady in this department that's one change I'm quite chuffed about! Not that it will last but hey ho!
Lots of love to each and every one of you. Hugs, smiles, magpies and pom poms for all of you. I will still check on here too so can keep in touch if you guys post
ICSI - m/c in Sept 2011
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As Americans await a high court decision on the legality of Arizona's controversial immigration-enforcement law, Dean
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A A+F Diversity: UMD is known for its diversity. The school is one of the most diverse places I've ever seen. Everyone is very respectful and excepting of all kinds of people from all over the place. It's very refreshing to live somewhere where that's the case.
B A+F Local Atmosphere: We live so close to D.C., with museums, the zoo, concert venues, historical areas, and internship and job opportunities. A short metro ride and you're in the middle of it. There is always so much going on that you often feel overwhelmed by it... but in a good way!
B A+F Athletics: The fans are supportive, the teams are good, and we're joining the Big 10 next year! We've got a lot of school spirit as well.
A A+F Health & Safety: There are so many options for healthcare at UMD. We're also taught all about sexual health and mental health and everything in between. As for safety, there are blue lights all over campus with emergency phones, night ride, buses and campus police all over the place.
B A+F Off-Campus Dining: There's so much to choose from when it comes to off-campus restaurants. Everyone goes to the bubble tea places, Bobby's Burgers, the various places to get pho, the bars and Chipotle/Noodles and Co.
Off-Campus Housing: I don't know much about it because I live on campus.
B A+F Transportation: It's convenient to travel in and out of College Park because we live near D.C., so there are a lot of options for transportation.
A A+F Nightlife: There's so much to do here at night. We live next to Route 1, which has the frats and the bars and the house parties. Everything is pretty close and a bunch of people go out every weekend. The buses run really late, so transportation isn't an issue.
B A+F Campus Housing: The dorms at UMD are pretty good. I live in Hagerstown, which doesn't have air conditioning. It's one of the oldest dorms on campus, and I'm still rating it as great. It's really not bad. There are definitely much better dorms, but there's quite a variety of dorms to choose from. We have apartments, suite-style rooms, and classic dorms. There's something for everyone. It's pretty costly to live here, but it's really convenient to live on campus. The social atmosphere is wonderful, but the floor I live in is weirdly social, so that might be why!
C A+F Drug Safety: I think that if people do drugs here, they just keep it really secret. There isn't much to talk about.
B A+F Majors: UMD is weirdly tough to get into. There is a big stress on academics in prospective students. It wasn't too bad getting into the engineering program for me, but it is competitive and there are prerequisites for the limited enrollment programs here. The advisors can help you every step of the way if you're prepared to work hard to get into your intended limited enrollment program or succeed in your major otherwise. I have been facing difficulties switching into a more suitable major because you're required to go to major change workshops, but overall the process isn't too bad!
C A+F Parking: Parking is pretty overpriced, especially for a permit. I don't have much to say about it, though, because I don't have a car.
C A+F Weather: Maryland weather is usually unpredictable. Having lived in this state my whole life, I'm pretty used to it. Summer is hot and winter is cold, you can be sure of that. But fall and spring vary, some years they're both freezing and others both seasons are warm. It rains occasionally, so everyone has rain boots and umbrellas. As long as you have clothes for every season, the weather is fine.
C A+F Greek Life: Greek life isn't that big on campus. 13-16% of students are involved in Greek life, so it's not like everyone is a part of it. But the Greeks do throw a lot of parties and social events that a lot of people go to! All of the sorority girls I've met are so sweet, and the frat guys are pretty decent. There is plenty of Greek housing, and if you want to be a part of Greek life, there is a very good chance that you'll get in somewhere.
B A+F Overall Experience: This school is absolutely wonderful. It's huge, so your legs get a nice workout walking for at least ten minutes to each class. I'm proud to be a Terp, as is almost everyone that goes here. My favorite experiences so far here have been the free shows at the college of performing arts, becoming friends with all of the amazing people on my floor, and, after realizing that my intended major was so wrong for me, finding the perfect major. UMD is unique because the Maryland flag is the coolest one out of all fifty states, and we incorporate it into every possible thing we can. We have Testudo the terrapin, who we give sacrifices to before finals. We also rub his nose for good luck. There are so many bizarre traditions here, and so many amazingly different people... if I could do it over, I would've chosen this school ten times faster than I did. It's my home.
B A+F Athletics: There is much support for our football, basketball, and lacrosse teams. All other sports are virtually non-existent.
B A+F Overall Experience: I love my school. Overall, the social scene is one for the books. Complaining about the loads of homework or difficulty of exams unite us. The opportunities for internships and jobs make us great. Athletics provide us with a sense of school spirit.
C A+F Weather: The weather changes frequently and drastically. A mid-December's morning can be 60 degrees or below freezing. The rain is very heavy.
C A+F Drug Safety: Drinking is usually present at frat parties. Other drug use is also present, but only to those individuals that go into the scene knowing they want to do it already.
B A+F Off-Campus Dining: the dining options on the road adjacent to my school offer many fast-food and sit down dining options. Stamp student union also provides students with several dining opportunities.
C A+F Off-Campus Housing: I have not yet experienced off-campus housing but i am aware that many apartment complexes and buildings have an agreement with my university and provides living discounts. The quality of the housing is great as well.
B A+F Majors: I am a sophomore and have not been able to experience many classes outside of CORE requirements. However, so far, the classes that i have taken relevant to my major have been enjoyable.
A A+F Scholarships: I was able to attend a college i never thought i would because of the financial aid i received. Based on my profile, i was considered very need-based and was able to get most of the money i needed for school.
B A+F Campus Dining: Dining halls do their best to provide us with a variety of choices when choosing dinner. There is a value meal that changes daily and regular sub, burger, and soul food stations that remain unchanged throughout the year.
B A+F Nightlife: Transportation is handled by UM shuttles so DUI is almost non-existent. The bar/club scene is very much alive and available to all students that seek it. Personally, the dancing and socializing make these events fun and memorable.
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The University of Maryland, College Park is paradise compared to some schools and locations across America. Most students who join the campus community stay a while, and some don't want to leave, even after being there for four or even five years. It's universities like this that have contributed to the popular expression of college being four of the best years of your life. From students' first year on campus to their final days leading up to graduation, students' academic, personal, physical, professional, and social lives come together to prepare them for the real world. Once entering such a world, many alumni look back and agree that, even if they could, they wouldn't change a thing about their overall experience at UMCP.
There are also students who can't wait to get out of here by the time graduation rolls around. But mark these words: There often comes a day or even a good four weeks where those new alumni miss the days of basking in the sun on McKeldin Mall, smile at the memories of sharing so many special moments with their friends for life, and nod their heads in recollection of waiting three or more semesters to finally be enrolled in human sexuality, stress management, or death-education courses. The best news of all is that after graduation students really never have to leave Maryland because they are and always will be a "Terp for Life!"
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A Drug Enforcement Administration agent stationed in Cartagena, Colombia, arranged for a prostitute to have an encounter with a U.S. Secret Service Agent only days before a visit there by President Barack Obama, the Justice Department's inspector general has found.
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A federal task force looking for ways to curb gun violence will have a set of recommendations by Tuesday, Vice President Joe Biden announced Thursday. Speaking during a week of meetings with disparate groups on various sides of the issue -- including some for and others against stricter gun controls -- Biden, who oversees the task force, said the recommendations to be given to President Barack Obama will serve as a beginning.
The nation's largest gun lobby left a Thursday meeting with Vice President Joe Biden and his gun control panel "disappointed" and perceiving little ground for compromise and said it would move forward on the issue independently.
The National Rifle Association is gearing up to face one of the strongest challenges to its cause in many years: recommendations from an Obama administration working group on gun violence that are expected to address assault weapons and high-capacity magazine clips.
Wal-Mart, which had initially turned down a meeting with Vice President Joe Biden's gun violence panel, did meet with administration officials on Thursday -- but instead of sitting down with Biden, the company's representative met with Attorney General Eric Holder.
Gov. John Hickenlooper, a Democrat, became the latest governor to call for more gun regulations as he reflected on last year's deadly movie theater shooting in his state and said Coloradans "have an obligation to prevent similar tragedies."
A decision is expected Friday on whether there will be any criminal charges brought over the display of what appeared to be a high capacity gun magazine during a Meet the Press broadcast.
Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV, the five-term Democrat from West Virginia, will not run for re-election in 2014, according to two Democratic sources.
U.S. stocks opened little changed Friday, a day after the S&P 500 closed at a 5-year high, as investors digested earnings from Wells Fargo and a fresh batch of economic data.
U.S. and company officials have announced a probe of the design, manufacture and assembly of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner in the wake of a series of problems that have dogged the jet in recent days.
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Sat, Aug 03, 2013 | 21:09 BST
Doom 4 is still in development but id Software can't talk about it right now
Doom 4 was once again a no-show at QuakeCon 2013, and during hos keynote, id Software technical director John Carmack' said he couldn't talk about the long overdue shooter.
Fri, Dec 07, 2012 | 14:54 GMT
QUAKE 2 turns 15, id Software shares fun facts on the shooter
QUAKE 2 is celebrating its 15th anniversary today, and to mark the occasion, is Software's Tim Willits decided to share some fun facts regarding the game and its development.
Thu, Sep 06, 2012 | 09:18 BST
Hell on earth: id's Tim Willits on the return of Doom
Doom 3: BFG Edition is out October 19, overhauling the original in almost every department. VG247′s Dave Cook speaks with id Software's Tim Willits about the Doom phenomenon.
Thu, Sep 06, 2012 | 08:00 BST
Doom 3 BFG Edition 'not a rehash', id not a fan HD collections
Doom 3: BFG Edition developer Tim Willits has explained to VG247 why the new version of its 2004 shooter is more than just an HD re-pack. The developer has also made the distinction between his game and HD compilations.
Tue, Aug 07, 2012 | 04:10 BST
DOOM 4 to avoid RAGE's marketing errors, id boss hopes
DOOM 4 information will probably be drip-fed to the public, according to id creative director Tim Willits.
Fri, Jul 06, 2012 | 04:04 BST
id Software hasn't "forgotten about" RAGE, says Willits
Tim Willits, studio director at id Software, has said the firm hasn't forgotten about RAGE. Speaking with GameReactor at E3, Willits said: "We have a few things that we may announce soon, but I'm not sure. We haven't forgotten about the title, and as soon as we have more news, we will definitely announce it." As far as whether DOOM 4 is ready to be revealed, Willits would not be drawn in, only stating that if it were, the release of DOOM 3: BFG would be a "great time," to do it. So, in other words, not yet. DOOM 4 was announced as being in production in May 2008.
Sat, Oct 08, 2011 | 19:43 BST
Carmack: RAGE PC issues "have been a real cluster!@#$"
John Carmack has said the team at id has found the driver issues plaguing RAGE on PC frustrating.
Sun, Oct 09, 2011 | 22:43 BST
RAGEFACE: Tim Willits on id's new IP and 20th anniversary
id Software creative director Tim Willits talks to Johnny Cullen about the studio's 20th anniversary, the next generation and the launch of a new IP, as RAGE releases today in the UK.
Wed, Oct 05, 2011 | 12:50 BST
RAGE announced too early? "At the end of the day, it doesn't matter," says id's Willits
Was RAGE announced too early? It "doesn't matter," according to id Software's Tim Willits. So there.
Thu, Sep 29, 2011 | 15:11 BST
Willits: New IP creation needs to be considered a franchise from day one
Tim Willits, id Software's creative director, holds the belief that when creating a new IP, a developer should think of it as a franchise from the moment it's conceived.
Thu, Sep 29, 2011 | 10:27 BST
All the Rage: An Evening with id Software in Sydney
To celebrate id Software's 20th Birthday, Bethesda booked out the Sydney Opera House. Toby McCasker dusted off the top and tails to hear what creative director Tim Willits had to say.
Thu, Sep 29, 2011 | 00:25 BST
RAGE will "change the perception" of id Software
The imminent release of RAGE, id Software's first new IP in yonks, may change how you think about the developer.
Sat, Sep 24, 2011 | 19:22 BST
RAGE: Willits explains why PS3 has an 8GB install, why 360 has multiple discs
During a chat with Digital Foundry regarding design, dev culture, and tech, creative director of id Software Tim Willits explained why there would be an 8GB install of RAGE on PS3, and why the Xbox 360 version comes on three discs.
Thu, Sep 22, 2011 | 16:52 BST
EG Expo: Willits celebrates 20 years of id – Read what happened
id's celebrating 20 years of existance this year. To celebrate, RAGE boss Tim Willits will give a talk on the studio here at Eurogamer. Get all the details live below.
Fri, Sep 16, 2011 | 21:29 BST
Quick Quotes: id's Willits on lightening up with RAGE
"It was definitely a conscious decision for id to move away from that dark corridor setting. We didn't want to follow the same formula. When you're inside RAGE's missions, they're very classic id. But the technology allowed us to really move out of that and let our artists be artists." – Tim Willits, creative director of RAGE to MCV.
Sat, Aug 27, 2011 | 17:16 BST
id's Willits on why "DLC's important" for RAGE
RAGE creative director Tim Willits has said just because id Software is almost finished with developing the game, doesn't mean there isn't quite a bit of work left to do before it releases.
Tue, Aug 23, 2011 | 07:31 BST
RAGE against the machine: Tim Willits on id's latest
Nathan Grayson talks to RAGE creative director Tim Willits about helming the first new IP in years from the shooter genre's grandaddy, id Software.
Tue, Aug 23, 2011 | 01:35 BST
RAGE PS3 requires 8GB install
RAGE on PlayStation 3 will sport a wince-worthy mandatory install.
Thu, Aug 11, 2011 | 23:42 BST
RAGE to reward brand-new purchases with extra content
RAGE won't sport an Online Pass system, but those who buy it new will still score an interesting bonus.
Tue, Aug 02, 2011 | 15:04 BST
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Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2012 07:13 pm |
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Mark Member
I know offhand that Ben Butler and John Phelps were officially branded by name as outlaws by the Confederate government. Does anyone know of any more that were? Thanks. Mark |
Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2012 07:32 pm |
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Mark Member
Found another one... David Hunter. Any others? Mark http://www.drbronsontours.com/bronsongeneraldavidhunterlettertojeffersondavis.html Last edited on Tue Oct 16th, 2012 07:34 pm by Mark |
Posted: Wed Oct 17th, 2012 02:17 pm |
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Texas Defender Member
Mark- In addition to the ones already named I would add James Henry Lane (The one born in Indiana). I believe that he was made a BG, USV in 1861. In 1862, his commission was cancelled, but I believe it was also reinstated. I can't cite any official statements made by the Confederate Government (So perhaps he doesn't qualify under the criterion given), but I'm certain that he was considered to be an outlaw by them due to the atrocity at Osceola, MO (Which was later used as justification for Quantrill's attack on Lawrence, KS), as well as other actions. James Henry Lane (Union general) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Last edited on Wed Oct 17th, 2012 02:24 pm by Texas Defender |
Posted: Wed Oct 17th, 2012 03:42 pm |
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Mark Member
Thanks TD. I'm specifically looking for ones that the Confederate government officially designated as outlaws by name. Its regarding a hunch I have about the idea of "total" war in nineteenth century America. Mark |
Posted: Tue Aug 20th, 2013 03:41 pm |
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Texas Defender Member
Mark- According to this source, you might be able to add the bombastic General John Pope to the list. July 31, 1862 - President Davis Orders Pope Held as Felon | http://www.7score10years. It does seem, however, that Jefferson Davis is making a conditional condemnation of General Pope and the officers serving under him as felons if they follow through with Pope's threat to shoot civilians. |
Posted: Tue Aug 27th, 2013 01:10 am |
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MildMan Just Testing Ideas
So the crime that Hunter comiitted was to arm and train men to be soldiers? Shame on Jefferson Davis and the rest of the southern traitors! |
Posted: Tue Aug 27th, 2013 05:10 am |
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Texas Defender Member
What a typically inane and inflammatory remark by you, Mildman. You probably look upon the murderous John Brown as being a great hero, just as General Hunter did. General Hunter clearly exceeded his authority by emancipating slaves in his department in 1862, and attempting (mostly unsuccessfully) to recruit them to be soldiers in the Union army. This action by General Hunter was immediately and publicly repudiated and declared void by his commander-in-chief, Abraham Lincoln. On this point, at least in 1862, the two presidents were in accord. Civil War Daily Gazette » Lincoln Declares Hunter's Emancipation Proclamation |
Posted: Tue Aug 27th, 2013 06:18 am |
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Hellcat Root Beer Lover
Here's the irony of loosing the war, folks will call you traitors for being on the loosing side. And what would folks today call people like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Henry "Light-Horse Harry" Lee, Francis Marion, Nathanael Greene, and Horatio Gates had they lost their war? Actually I know there are some British folks who call them traitors too. How ironic some of our military bases are named for "traitors." Fort Hood. Fort A.P. Hill. Fort Bragg. Fort Gordon. Fort Lee. Just a few instillation named for "traitors." Last edited on Tue Aug 27th, 2013 06:19 am by Hellcat |
Posted: Tue Aug 27th, 2013 06:42 am |
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Texas Defender Member
Hellcat- You forgot Ft. Polk. Come to think of it, there are probably a lot of people who would like to forget Ft. Polk. |
Posted: Wed Aug 28th, 2013 02:24 am |
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MildMan Just Testing Ideas
I read Jeff Davis's proclamation about Hunter with incredulity. This was not the work of a statesman or a legitimate President. Could he not see the obvious, that retaliation that would result? No wonder the south lost! And Hunter was a criminal for training soldiers - who happened to be black? Please. Inflammatory?...So long as my views fit yours that's fine. But a different idea is inflammatory? The entire discussion is silly and based. "Branded as outlaws"? By whom, an illegitimate government? As for Brown, he believed in his principles as much as southern slave owners did theirs. Why is he is a madman for trying to free slaves while those who enslaved fellow human beings are fine citizens? I am no Brown fan; anymore than I am a fan of the southern hot heads whose ill-advised "secession" eventually killed 750,000. I suppose that this message is such heresy that it will get me kicked off the forum. But before I go, I will point out that when a plea for funds was sent, I responded with cash to support a man's fine work. Did YOU? |
Posted: Wed Aug 28th, 2013 04:02 am |
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Texas Defender Member
Mildman- The south lost the war for many reasons, but they didn't include proclamations made by Jefferson Davis branding Union generals as felons. Nothing ever came of them. As for General Hunter, he wasn't a criminal for training soldiers. He was a criminal for stealing slaves and trying to impress them into the Union Army. (As the article I posted shows). He took it upon himself to exceed his own authority by issuing his own emancipation proclamation, just as General Fremont had done in the previous year. All of General Fremont's proclamations were voided by Mr. Lincoln. Likewise, General Hunter's actions were repudiated as being illegal. Mr. Lincoln did not say, in effect: "Shame on Jefferson Davis." He said, in effect: "Shame on David Hunter." And unlike what General Hunter chose to believe then and after, Mr. Lincoln did not secretly approve of his actions in 1862. You are right that this discussion is: "Silly," but we are only having it because YOU, as you have done several times before, have chosen to come on here with another set of incendiary attacks filled with a good deal of emotion, but few if any facts. You might have considered the CSA to be an: "Illegitimate government," but millions thought otherwise. The British would have said the same about the representatives of : "The United States of America" after those men made their Declaration 85 years earlier. But it all depends on who wins the war, doesn't it? As for John Brown, he would be called a : "Terrorist" today. He didn't simply try to free slaves (Which was a criminal act whether you liked the law or not), but he was a foul murderer who was responsible for stabbing and hacking five men to death in Kansas, among other notorious deeds. John Brown and the Pottawatomie Killings I also believe that he personally shot and mortally wounded a US Marine during his raid on the arsenal at Harper's Ferry. There he was responsible for many other deaths. One term that you like to throw around on this forum is: "Southern hotheads." Well, I have seen hundreds of people posting on this forum, and I believe that few have exceeded you in the: "Hothead" department. I have no part in running this forum, and I have no authority to kick anyone off it. (Nor do I want such authority). But if you're going to engage in bomb throwing and screaming about: "Jefferson Davis and the rest of the southern traitors (Exclamation point)," don't be surprised if some here fire back. |
Posted: Wed Aug 28th, 2013 05:48 am |
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Hellcat Root Beer Lover
Brown didn't just want to free slaves. Read a little Webb Garrison concerning what exactly Brown's plans entailed. I'll give you a hint, the destruction of a nation. In Civil War Schemes and Plots Garrison discusses what John Brown's meeting in Chatham, Canada entailed. He planned to carve a new nation out of the heart of the existing nation by force and bar slavery from that new nation. Now while barring slavery may be admirable to us today, and certainly was admirable to the abolitionists during that day an age, what is admirable about the plan to destroy a nation to carry that plan out? This is not the same as the southern states seceding. despite pointing to Texas vs. White to claim secession was illegal, the fact is that there was absolutely nothing to say otherwise prior to the war. The Texas vs. White decision came after the war in 1869 and it only retroactively made that claim that secession was illegal prior to the war. Brown, an American citizen, was going to take the territory for his intended nation by force by deliberately attacking the US. |
Posted: Wed Aug 28th, 2013 02:32 pm |
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Texas Defender Member
Hellcat- You're right about Texas v. White. With the wounds from the war still raw in 1869, there was no way that the justices could tell the American people that secession was actually legal, and that Mr. Lincoln's holy war to preserve the Union had been fought on a wrong legal premise. They could not tell the people that their martyred president, Mr. Lincoln ( Who appointed several of the justices serving on the Court in 1869), had asked them to sacrifice so many lives while taking a position on the Constitution that was incorrect. The whole idea that the CSA never really existed is an absurdity. The CSA encompassed a large territory with several million inhabitants. Its government might not have operated very efficiently, but it certainly did exist from 1861 to 1865. It did so in spite of having a militarily superior: "Foreign" enemy on its borders from the very beginning. Whether these: "Wayward sisters" in the south could have survived as a nation if they had been allowed to go in peace is a question that can only be speculated on. But the reality that the CSA did exist for four years is beyond doubt. |
Posted: Thu Aug 29th, 2013 12:42 am |
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MildMan Just Testing Ideas
There was nothing inflammatory in my comments – unless you are clinging to myths. Traitors. This is what common soldiers called rebels, confederates and secessionists. You may not like it, but they obviously had their reasons for doing so, and I accept their reasons. Illegitimate Government. After the Civil War the Supreme Court ruled southern states never ceased to be part of the US. No important county recognized the confederacy as a separate and distinct nation. Hot Heads. The more commonly used term is Firebrand, but the meaning is the same. Southern leaders were too quick to challenge the US to a "duel" and war resulted. Wiser men would have not challenged an opponent with superior firepower. As for Brown, let me make this clear. While I support his aim to end slavery I do not condone what he did in Kansas or at Harpers Ferry. Not only was it wrong it hastened interest in secession by convincing southerners that northerners were all crazy abolitionists. They were not. Should I assume that your support of southern culture means that you condone what slave-owners did to slaves? There is a theme that runs though your postings Hellcat and Texas Defender. The thread is that secession was a noble cause, unavoidable and brought on by the North. Secession was about preservation of a slave culture and economy, an evil purpose if there ever was one. War could have been avoided, had the south tried to wear out the north without starting a war - and 750,000 lives would have been saved. And the south intentionally precipitated the war by firing on Ft Sumter before it could be abandoned by its occupants! No there is nothing either inaccurate or inflammatory in my posts. |
Posted: Thu Aug 29th, 2013 01:08 am |
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MildMan Just Testing Ideas
From a letter I just purchased. October 20, 1861 "...why should they not enlist in one of the best causes there every was: to put down treason?" C. S. Sawyer |
Posted: Thu Aug 29th, 2013 01:41 am |
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Hellcat Root Beer Lover
And how come it was ok for the New England states to twice consider secession? Twice they actually voted to do exactly tat and twice it was politics that kept them in the union. Or how about all Southerners and slavery? You say essentially that ALL Southerners were willing to secede to keep slavery. IF your state were today to be deciding to secede because of a federal ruling that was causing major computer and software companies to go overseas, and only about 10% of the population was wealthy because of those companies, would you be agreeable to d so just to make the rich richer? Most folks in the South couldn't afford slaves and most weren't agreeable to the idea of the rich getting richer. But they also weren't agreeable to being told how they could live. It's ironic how the Northern states wanted the South to live by the constitution but when they didn't agree with decisions carried out through the process laid out by the Constitution they then declared them null and void. Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Vermont, Connecticut, Michigan, Maine, and Rhode Island all decided to ignore the Constitution on the issue. Was secession unavoidable? Unfortunately I have to say yes. The country wasn't a single culture, and it wasn't simply divided into slave and free states. It's more surprising there wasn't more secession than there was. Heck even California, or at least Southern California, was considering seceding at that time. Was secession a noble cause? I've never said one way, that is how you have read it. But ask yourself this, was it a noble cause for the colonies to secede from the British Empire in the 1770? Because that is EXACTLY what they did in the Revolution. It's also ironic you bring up economy because guess what, the North was benefitting from slavery economically as much if not more than the Southern states. Also do not presume anyone supports slavery if they choose to defend the South. I apologize folks, the tone of my posts are a little too argumentative. I prefer a good debate but this is not the thread for this debate. Such threads already exist on these forums. Last edited on Thu Aug 29th, 2013 01:44 am by Hellcat |
Posted: Thu Aug 29th, 2013 02:37 am |
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Texas Defender Member
Mildman- You are really clueless if you don't think that saying: "Shame on Jefferson Davis and the rest of the southern traitors ! " is an inflammatory comment. It implies that all who served the CSA, military and civilian, and supported its existence, were: "Traitors." I think rather that your continual and purposeful usage of terms like: "Traitors" and: "Treason" signals your intent to be inflammatory. Just because many northerners of that day equated secession with treason did not make it so. Treason can only be committed against one's own country, and those who formed the CSA considered that they had established their own separate country. They did not seek to destroy the U.S. Government, only to leave it. You can cling to the 1869 USSC decision from a Court loaded with Lincoln appointees if you wish to. But it had no bearing on the reality that existed in 1861, when it can't be shown that secession broke any existing laws. Other countries that might have recognized the CSA were threatened with war by the Lincoln Adminstration if they did so. While they abstained from that, several granted: "Belligerent" status to the CSA. That traditionally refers to a warring state. Being recognized as a : "Belligerent power" gave the CSA a degree of equality in how it was regarded by foreign states. For example, CSA warships were treated the same as those of the USA when entering foreign ports. In addition, Mr. Lincoln himself gave de facto recognition to the CSA by declaring a naval blockade of its ports, something traditionally done only to an enemy country engaged in a war. As for: "Hotheads," there were plenty in the north as well as the south, and some were real headaches for Mr. Lincoln. As for: "Code Duello," you have obviously bought into the nonsense posted in this forum by Mr. D. Laurence Rogers. In reality, the CSA wasn't challenging the U.S. Government to some kind of duel. The Confederates would have been more than happy to be left alone, as Jefferson Davis put it in 1861. The Confederates did, however, signal an intention to defend themselves if attacked. But there was never any intention to attack those states that wished to continue to be part of the USA. Speaking of the USA, I would add that based on your previous posting you don't consider our Founding Fathers to have been: "Wise men," since they took on the greatest military power in the world in their day, Great Britain. It seems that the desire for independence can cause men to be imprudent. In the end, the Confederates did not have the good fortune that the earlier: "Secessionists" enjoyed, as the outcomes were different. But such are the fortunes of war. As usual, you make false assumptions about my postings. There is nothing in any of my postings on this forum that defends the institution of slavery. I have only said that it was the law of the land, like it or not. I would blame some laws such as the Fugitive Slave Act for strengthening the hand of the abolitionists in the north, and hastening the conflict. As for secession, I never assigned subjective terms to it as you continually do. I simply said that it was the right of states that voluntarily entered the Union to voluntarily leave it. This position is supported by the 10th Amendment to the Constitution, one of the original Bill of Rights without which the Constitution would not have been ratified. Whatever or whoever that brought about secession had no bearing on its legality. We continue to disagree regarding your contention that the southerners could have : "Worn out" northern opposition to secession by resorting to legal action. You talk about: "Clinging to myths." Well, that is certainly one. Mr. Lincoln said that he would not accept secession in any form, and he wasn't going to change his mind. Peaceful departure by the southerners wasn't ever going to happen. We agree that general hostilities could have been delayed if Major Anderson had been allowed to abandon Ft. Sumter when his supplies would have run out on 15 April 1861. But that would only have delayed the inevitable until some other spark ignited the situation. I would say that the die was cast before then. War could have been avoided by either side. The states that had seceded could of course have avoided war if they had agreed to abandon their quest for independence. Of course, it can also be said that war could have been avoided if those in the north had been willing to let the southerners leave peacefully. Neither of these possibilities was feasible because neither side would back down from its position. War can only take place if both sides are willing to fight. By 1861, enmity built up over many decades had produced just such a situation. Your blind hatred of the southern culture of that day and all things CSA has resulted in you assigning all of the blame for the war to the southern side. So you continue to spew out bilious comments attacking those that you regard as being the villains of that catastrophic event. Last edited on Thu Aug 29th, 2013 06:05 am by Texas Defender |
Posted: Thu Aug 29th, 2013 04:50 pm |
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Texas Defender Member
Hellcat- I see no reason for you to apologize for your tone or what has lately appeared on this thread. If the thread has been hijacked, the reason can be found in Mildman's Post #6. Mark's original intention was to complete a list of Union generals that the CSA Government had chosen to denounce as criminals. Mildman diverted that into a defense of General Hunter's illegal actions in 1862 and an attack on Jefferson Davis: "And the rest of the southern traitors !" As previously stated, General Hunter was not the first Union general to cause problems for Mr. Lincoln by issuing his own: "Emancipation proclamation. " That distinction belongs to General John C. Fremont who on 30 August 1861 declared martial law in Missouri, as well as a partial emancipation of slaves. Mr. Lincoln, his commander-in-chief, was not consulted, and learned of these and other declarations made by General Fremont from the newspapers. In 1861, the great majority of Union generals were not abolitionists and would have objected if it had been suggested that they were fighting the war to free the slaves. However, there was a radical faction, including Generals Hunter and Fremont, who wished to make the abolition of slavery a war aim of the north. Mr. Lincoln was presented with the problem of not alienating different elements of his political allies. He certainly didn't wish trouble in the slave holding border states, so he asked General Fremont to modify some of his proclamations. This General Fremont was unwilling to do and Mr. Lincoln's hand was forced. So, he officially voided General Fremont's proclamations, calling them: "Dictatorial." As soon as the dust settled, General Fremont was relieved from his command. John C. Frémont and Missouri - Abraham Lincoln Last edited on Thu Aug 29th, 2013 06:19 pm by Texas Defender |
Posted: Thu Aug 29th, 2013 08:54 pm |
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javal1 Grumpy Geezer
If we can get this back on topic, I'd be most appreciative. You long-time members know that I'm the furthest thing from a Southern sympathizer there is. We've gotten into it a few times. But I agree the tone and language used by Mildman in this thread is over-the-top. Also somewhat myopic. Anyway Mildman, while you're welcome to your opinions, you need to phrase them in a more diplomatic way. It sounds too much like you're trying to start a flame war. Enough said. |
Posted: Fri Aug 30th, 2013 05:59 pm |
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MildMan Just Testing Ideas
OK, Let me formally and sincerely apologize to Hellcat and Texas Defender for my inflammatory remarks. There were not meant to be hostile to you or to southerners in general. However, I can see how they can be taken that way. Lets get back to the post. My statement about Jeff Davis should have been more specific to the topic of the post. It was in fact in reaction to the link in Mark's post about J Davis's proclamation. Here's the text in that link I reacted to. "Ordered, That Major-General Hunter and Brigadier-General Phelps be no longer held and treated as public enemies of the Confederate States, but as outlaws; and that in the event of the capture of either of them, or that of any other commissioned officer employed in drilling, organizing, or instructing slaves, with a view to their armed service in this war, he shall not be regarded as a prisoner of war, but held in close confinement for execution as a felon at such time and place as the President shall order." I do, forgive me, find this order shameful. I see it as evidence of poor leadership - a threat like this only invites retaliation, and inflames partisans like abolitionists. And let me explain, I find it ironic that one who was a leader of treasonous activity (as many northerners considered secession) is calling anyone a criminal. That's the essence of my earlier unfortunate reaction. I hope that I have explained this more carefully – but I fear that even presenting my point this way will be unacceptable. |
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